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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE ALREADY MAY 4TH.
UM, THE AFTERNOON SESSION OF OUR REGULAR MEETING OF THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND WE'LL BEGIN WHERE, UH, GRATEFUL TO HAVE MIKE PASTOR MIKE HANNIGAN FROM VICTORY CHRISTIAN CHURCH
[III. Invocation]
HERE.HE WILL BEGIN WITH HIM IN VOCATION AND THEN, UH, MR. PETERSON WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AND IF YOU WILL STAND AS ABLE WE'LL GET STARTED.
AREN'T WE THANKFUL WHEN EVERYTHING WORKS, LET'S PRAY, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL DAY IN THIS AWESOME COMMUNITY THAT WE GET TO LIVE IN HERE IN GOOCHLAND.
AND WE JUST ASK YOU TO BLESS THE PROCEEDINGS TODAY, LORD GOD, AND JUST WATCH OVER HIM.
WE THANK YOU FOR OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR TEACHERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS AND ALL THE WONDERFUL COUNTY EMPLOYEES.
WE HAVEN'T ASKED YOU TO WATCH OVER THEM.
AND WE PRAY THAT THESE MEETINGS WILL JUST BE WE'LL HAVE YOUR WISDOM AND YOUR GRACE UPON THEM.
[IV. Pledge of Allegiance]
ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.THANK YOU, PASTOR MIKE AND VICE CHAIR PETERSON.
[V. Presentation of Proclamation Recognizing May 16-May 22, 2021 as Hunger]
IS A PRESENTATION OF A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING MAY 16TH TO MAY 22ND AS HUNGER OR AWARENESS WEEK.I THINK WE HAVE MS. GRAHAM HERE, AND I WILL JOIN YOU OUT THERE WHILE MS.
WHEREAS FOOD IS A BASIC HUMAN NEED AND IN FOOD INSECURE HOUSEHOLDS, THE NEED FOR FOOD COMPETES WITH THE NEED FOR OTHER BASIC HUMAN NECESSITIES, SUCH AS MEDICATION, HOUSING, UTILITIES, AND TRANSPORTATION, ESPECIALLY NOW IN THE CURRENT NATIONAL COVID 19 CRISIS.
AND WHEREAS THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE DEFINES FOOD INSECURITY AS LIMITED OR UNCERTAIN AVAILABILITY OF NUTRITIONALLY, ADEQUATE AND SAFE FOODS, OR LIMITED OR UNCERTAIN ABILITY TO ACQUIRE ACCEPTABLE FOODS AND SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE WAYS.
AND WHEREAS FOR BLOG AT ALL, 2012 DEFINES A FOOD DESERT AS AN AREA WHERE POPULATIONS LIVE MORE THAN 10 MILES FROM HER SUPERMARKET OR LARGE GROCERY STORE, IF IN A RURAL RURAL AREA.
AND WHEREAS WESTERN HAS BEEN DECLARED A FOOD DESERT BY THE VIRGINIA FOOD DESERT TASKFORCE, AND WHEREAS AN ESTIMATED 2,600 OF GOOCHLAND RESIDENTS EXPERIENCE FOOD AND SECURITY IN 2020 DURING THE PANDEMIC.
AND WHEREAS WITH ECONOMIC INSTABILITY IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE AS THE NATION STATE AND COUNTY CONTINUES TO RECOVER FROM THE PANDEMIC.
AND WHEREAS GOOCHLAND IS LOW-INCOME CITIZENS DEPEND ON PUBLIC AND PRIVATE FOOD RESOURCES TO MEET THEIR NUTRITIONAL NEEDS EVEN MORE SO DURING THIS COVID-19 NATIONAL CRISIS NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED AND GET RECOGNITION AND SUPPORT OF THE IMPORTANT WORK BEING DONE BY GOOCHLAND COUNTY FOOD PANTRIES.
THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DO HEAR ABOUT PROCLAIMED THE WEEK OF MAY 16 TO MAY 22 AS HUNGER AWARENESS DAYS IN GOOCHLAND AND URGE ALL CITIZENS TO ACTIVELY DONATE FOOD OR OTHER RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THE NUMEROUS OPEN FOOD PANTRIES THROUGHOUT GOOCHLAND, AND TO WORK TOWARDS THE VISION OF FOOD SECURITY FOR ALL GOOCHLAND COUNTY RESIDENTS.
THANK YOU, MISS DAVID'S BOARD.
UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE PROCLAMATION AS PRESENTED MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION SECOND.
IF YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. YOUNG AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, I'M SALLY GRAHAM WITH GOODWILL AND CARES AND I WANT TO SAY ON BEHALF OF US AND, UM, ALSO THE NUMEROUS FOOD PANTRIES AND, UM, ORGANIZATIONS IN THE AREA THAT HELP PEOPLE WITH FOOD, THE SCHOOLS AND SOCIAL SERVICES.
THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THIS.
I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A GREAT FOLLOW UP HERE IN THE CITIZENS COMP COMMENTS.
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THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'RE DOING.AND FOR, FOR ALL THE FOLKS YOU RECOGNIZE, IT'S TRULY A TEAM TEAM EFFORT AND THANK YOU BOARD.
[VI. Chair's Comments]
COMMENTS, UH, UH, TODAY, WELL KIND OF GOT OFF TO AN, A SPECIOUS START WITH NEW SOFTWARE, BUT WE ARE BEGINNING, UH, THE USE OF NEW MEETING STREAMING SOFTWARE, UH, TO PROVIDE A MUCH IMPROVED EXPERIENCE FOR FOLKS WATCHING OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS LIVE OR, UM, LOOKING AT THEM, ARCHIVED, UH, LOOKING AT RELATER AND THE ARCHIVED VERSIONS.IT'S, UH, SOFTWARES FROM SWAG IT PRODUCTIONS S W A G I T.
UM, WE'VE BEEN TESTING GOVERNMENTS AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
THE SCHOOLS WILL ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO THIS.
UM, SO THEIR MEETINGS HELD HERE WILL HAVE THE SAME BENEFIT OF TRANSCRIPTION OUT OUR AUDIT MEETING, WHICH WAS AT ONE O'CLOCK.
I LOOKED AT THE, BECAUSE YOU CAN GO ON THE WEBSITE AND WE'LL SEE THAT.
WELL, WE PROBABLY WON'T SEE THAT WE'LL DO THAT.
WE'D PLAN TO SHOW YOU ON THE SCREENS, BUT IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE, I DON'T THINK I'LL DO THAT NOW.
BUT IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE UNDER THE TRANSPARENCY TAB, YOU CAN FIND IT VERY EASILY.
WE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO MOVE, MOVE THE LOCATION TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE PROMINENT ON THE HOME PAGE, WHERE YOU CAN LOOK AT LIVE MEETINGS.
BUT I STARTED TO SAY AT OUR ONE O'CLOCK AUDIT MEETING, UM, I SITTING IN THERE AND I TURNED IT ON AND I NOTICED IT'S A GOOD COUPLE OF MINUTE DELAY.
SO IT'S NOT THE PLACE WHERE YOU WANT TO LOG IN TO WEIGH IN AND PUBLIC COMMENT.
THAT'S STILL ON ZOOM AND ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS ON OUR WEBSITE AND ON OUR AGENDAS.
BUT THIS IS AN EXCITING IMPROVEMENT, UM, IN MAKING WHAT WE DO HERE, EVEN MORE AVAILABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY, THAT ALL THE CITIZENS WE SERVE, UM, I GUESS PLANNING COMMISSION IS ALSO GOING TO BE USING IT AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITIES.
SO LOTS OF IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT FRONT, UH, THAT IS THE MAIN THING I HAVE.
WE WILL NEXT GO TO, UM, MR. YOUNG,
[VII. County Administrator's Comments]
ANY COMMENTS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FROM ME TODAY.UM, WE WILL BE STARTING TO DOWNSIZE OUR, OUR CLINIC OPERATIONS FOR OUR VACCINES.
UH, STARTING THIS THURSDAY, WE WILL BE GOING HALF DAYS, UH, IN THE AFTERNOON.
UM, IF YOU'RE WANTING TO GET A VACCINE TO PLEASE, UH, LOG IN TO THE HEALTH DISTRICT SITE, UH, SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT, UH, WE WILL, UH, START TO START WINDING THOSE DOWN PROBABLY AROUND, UH, JUNE.
UM, THERE WILL BE SOME OTHER LOCATIONS THAT, UH, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH SOME PHARMACIES AND, UH, SOME DOCTOR'S OFFICES THAT WOULD YOU STILL BE ABLE TO, UH, GET THOSE VACCINES ON THE SECOND DOSE.
UM, BUT WE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU, UH, TO GET YOUR VACCINES AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN.
UM, CURRENTLY, UH, WE ARE DOING VERY WELL AS A COUNTY.
WE HAVE ABOUT 12,000, ALMOST 13,000, UM, UH, CITIZENS.
WHO'VE HAD ONE DOSE AND FULLY VACCINATED.
UM, WE'RE APPROACHING ALMOST 10,000.
SO OUR PERCENTAGE, ACCORDING TO A VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IS ABOUT 54% OF OUR POPULATION, UH, HAS RECEIVED, UH, THE VACCINE AS FAR AS THE FIRST DOSE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, DOING VERY WELL, WE'D LIKE TO GET UP IN THAT 75, 80 PERCENTILE.
UM, BUT, UH, IT'S, WE'RE EXPERIENCING THE SAME THING THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE NATIONWIDE AND A LITTLE BIT OF A SLOWDOWN IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UH, WANTING RECEIVE A VACCINE, UM, WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.
AND I JUMPED BACK AND MAKE ONE COMMENT.
I MADE MYSELF A NOTE THAT I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT.
I JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, I USED THE WORD GRATEFUL INTENTIONALLY WHEN NOT, I SAID, WE'RE GRATEFUL TO HAVE PASTOR MIKE HERE, UM, COMING, COMING TO THE MEETING THIS AFTERNOON OR BEFORE ONE O'CLOCK AT AROUND LUNCHTIME.
IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL WARM DAY AND I WAS GRATEFUL.
AND I, UM, LIKE MR. PETERSON AND ALL OF YOU ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, I COME HERE AND I SEE A NEW TANK, OR WE HAVE A NEW TANKER THAT WAS SITTING OUT IN FRONT OF HOPE.
HOPEFULLY SOME OF YOU ALL GOT TO SEE IT, CHIEF FERGUSON AND HIS DEDICATED TEAM WERE OUT THERE PRETTY EXCITING.
I WAS PROUD TO SEE IT SAYS COURTHOUSE ON THE SIDE.
SO COMING TO DISTRICT THREE, UM, I KNOW MR. PETERSON WAS LIKE, WHAT, WHAT'S WRONG? WHY DIDN'T IT SAY, WHY DOESN'T IT SAY EASTERN, BUT WE'D HAVE A FIRETRUCK OR A LADDER TRUCK COMING, COMING YOUR WAY.
SO A LOT OF, A LOT OF THINGS TO BE GRATEFUL ABOUT ARE, ARE HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTY, BUT WE HAVE SOME THINGS TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING THAT HAVE DRAWN A LOT OF ATTENTION AND COMMENTS.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT ALL THE COMMENTS
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WE GET IN THE EMAILS AND THE CALLS I GET, AGAIN, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE WAY THIS COMMUNITY APPROACHES THESE THINGS AND THAT FRIENDLY DISCUSSION WE HAVE.AND, AND IT'S REALLY ENCOURAGING.
AND AGAIN, I KNOW AT THE END OF OUR LAST MEETING, I, I SAID THE EVER EXCITING FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING, AND YOU ALL THOUGHT I WAS KIDDING, BUT, UH, I, I MADE IT A POINT TO SHOW UP TO, AND IT WAS ALWAYS AS ALWAYS EXCITING AND FUN TO HAVE YOU ALL ACCOMPLISH A LOT.
AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR SUMMARY LATER, BUT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ALL FOR SERVING THERE.
[VIII. Requests to Postpone Agenda Items and Additions, Deletions or Changes in the]
GO ALONG TO REQUEST FOR A TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEMS ARE ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, AND CHANGES IN THE ORDER PRESENTATION BOARD MEMBERS.WHEN WE GET TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, I'LL, I'LL REMEMBER TO MAKE SURE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO POINT ANYTHING OUT OTHER THAN POTENTIALLY PULLING OUT ANY CONSENT ITEMS. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, TO ADDRESS, MOVE, SPEAK TO ANYTHING FROM MR. YOUNG, UM, ON THE AGENDA AS IT, AS IT IS, CAN WE CHANGE IT? ALL RIGHT.
THEN WE HAVE AN AGENDA AND WE WILL ROLL INTO CITIZEN AND
[IX. Citizen Comment]
COMMENT PERIOD.UM, NOW CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD.
UM, THIS IS THE TIME TO BRING FORWARD THINGS TO MATTERS PERTINENT TO ACTIVITIES, ISSUES, POLICIES, THINGS PERTAINING TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
WE HAVE QUITE A FEW ITEMS TONIGHT ON THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, CITIZEN COMMENT TIME IS NOT THE TIME TO TALK TO THOSE SO MUCH BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE ITEMS COMING UP AT PUBLIC HEARING PERIOD.
BUT ANYTHING ELSE? THIS IS THE TIME PLEASE.
UH, WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ZOOMS. I'M NOT GOING LET YOU GUYS LOVE TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ONLINE THAT I NEED TO ADDRESS, BUT FOR NOW ANYBODY IN THE ROOM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD, UH, PLEASE COME FORWARD, UH, LIMIT, TRY TO LIMIT, UH, INTRODUCE AND TRY TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M WITH THE GOOCHLAND ROTARY.
NO, A COUPLE OF YOU GUYS UP THERE.
SEE ON EVERY FRIDAY MORNING AT OUR MEETINGS, BUT DON'T WANT IT TO COME TO TALK TO YOU TODAY, JUST TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE, UM, THE UPCOMING FOOD DRIVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN CORRELATION WITH THE PROCLAMATION YOU GUYS JUST MADE ON THE, UM, ON THE, UM, HUNGER AWARENESS WEEK.
BUT THIS WILL TAKE PLACE ON MAY 21ST AND 22ND.
UH, THERE'LL BE THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, SCOOTS AND CARES BEING ONE OF THEM, BUT WE'RE HERE TO, UH, TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED AS POSSIBLE IN ORDER TO, UH, FILL UP THE PANTRY AT DAR, UM, AT THE GOOCHLAND CARES.
UM, WE HAVE CHURCHES INVOLVED.
WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS INVOLVED.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, PEOPLE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS INVOLVED IN IT, BUT THE THREE DAYS, THE TWO DAYS WE'LL HAVE THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS TO, TO, UM, FOOD LINES, AS WELL AS, UH, GUCCI AND CARES TO TAKE ON AS MUCH AS THAT FOOD THAT WE DO GET, UM, AND GET THEM OVER THERE AND WEIGH THEM AND GET THEM UP ON THE, UP ON THE SHELVES AS QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
WELL, WE'RE DOING THAT IN CORRELATION THIS YEAR.
UH, THE FIRST TIME THROUGH THE GOOCHLAND ROTARY GOOCHLAND ROTARY IS TAKEN OVER AS FAR AS THE OPERATIONS AND THE CONCERN IN MYSELF AND A FEW OF OUR ROTARIANS ARE GOING TO BE HANDLING THE, THE OPERATIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS GETS TAKEN CARE OF QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY.
ANYBODY, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR NO? THAT'S GREAT.
MAY 21ST, 21ST AND 22ND, SECOND, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
BOTH FOOD LIONS, THE TWO FOOD LINES AND GOOCHLAND CARE.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR PRIMARILY? OR ARE THERE ANY THINGS YOU SAY WE REALLY NEED MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE? DO YOU KNOW, TURN THAT OVER TO SALLY, IF SHE DOES ANYTHING THAT, UH, YOU CAN THINK OF THAT IT'S REALLY EVERYTHING.
EVERY PART, EVERY PERISHABLE ITEM YOU CAN, YOU CAN PERISHABLE AND NONPERISHABLE.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE PERISHABLE.
YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING US KNOW AND, AND TO THE ROTARIANS FOR, FOR TAKING THIS ON.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN BOARD MEMBERS AND MS. DIONNE.
UM, FIRST I WANT TO, MY NAME IS WENDY HOPS AND I LIVE IN SANDY HOOK AND I WANT TO SAY HAPPY CORRECTIONAL OFFICER AT TEACHERS' WEEK AND NEXT WEEK, HAPPY NURSE'S WEEK TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO WORKED SO DILIGENTLY.
I KNOW THAT YOU SHARED THAT YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING ON AN UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER MY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
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SUPPORT THE PERMIT, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR CRANE AND CLOVER RETREAT.UM, THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW OF THE REQUEST AND THE NOTES FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING SUGGESTS THAT'S A VIABLE FEMALE ON BUSINESS AND IS REQUESTED TO BE IN THE WESTERN POT.
AND FROM WHAT I HAVE READ THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE DEPENDENT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE COUNTY.
A RETREAT IS USUALLY QUIET AND HAS LOW IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE COUNTY WESTERN PART SUFFERS FROM BUSINESSES OPPORTUNITIES.
AND SINCE THIS BUSINESS WILL BRING REVENUE TO THE COUNTY, UM, I ASKED THAT THE BULLET'S SUPPORTING COMMUNITY MEETINGS WERE HANDLED, UM, FROM WHAT I SAW MRS. BARRY MARK HALL, HE'LL ADDRESS MANY OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED BY THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AS WELL AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THIS PRO THIS BUSINESS POSE, NO MORE IMPACT THAN OTHER C UPS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD, SUCH AS THE AIRSTRIP AND ADDITIONAL AMENITIES AT RESPITE, THE AND HOSTED AT SHORT TERM LODGE AND BREAD, BED AND BREAKFAST, OR A PACK, THE RIVER RUN MANNER WEDDING VENUE ON THE JAMES RIVER, THE PROPOSED CAMPGROUND.
IT CAUGHT WELL ROAD, UM, THE GUN RANGE AND THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY AT PONY FARM ROAD AND THE STORAGE OF ASPHALT CHIPS ON QUERY HILL ROAD.
ALL THESE APPLICATIONS WERE PROPOSED AND THEY CAN HAVE MORE CONSIDERABLE RISK ACTUALLY, DAN CRANE AND CLOVER RETREAT.
AND SO, UM, IT WAS KIND OF COMICAL TO SEE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RAISED IN THE COMMISSION, UM, THAT WERE STEREOTYPICAL COMMENTS ABOUT HIPPIES AND THINGS OF THAT.
SO COMING IN AND POLLUTING THE WATER, IT IS COMICAL.
UM, THAT WAS REALLY, UM, REALLY HAS, SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY BEARING.
AND I ASKED THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS BUSINESS VENTURE WILL AND APPROVE THEIR CUP.
ANYBODY ELSE? GOOD AFTERNOON, JONATHAN LIVE 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
UM, REALLY, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE LIFE HARDER FOR, BUT IF I DO THIS IN RUSSIAN, WILL THAT TRANSCRIBE OR NOT, AND YOU WILL DO
WHAT, UM, I DO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT BEFORE THE SIX O'CLOCK SESSION, EXCITEMENT, AND JUST SAY THANK YOU TO THE BOARD AND TO THE STAFF MS. HORLOCKER AND, AND OTHERS WHO HAVE WORKED ON THE BUDGET.
UM, NO BUDGET I'VE EVER WORKED WITH IN PRIVATE INDUSTRY OR IN PUBLIC SERVICE HAS EVER BEEN PERFECT IN NO BUDGET I'VE EVER WORKED WITH DOESN'T GET TWEAKED OR ADJUSTED AT SOMETIME DURING THE BUDGET YEAR.
BUT I THINK THIS ONE THAT HAS BEEN PASSED AND IS GOING TO, UH, IMPLEMENT ON JULY 1ST ACCOMPLISHES, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE THREE MAIN GOALS OF GOVERNMENT AND THAT'S PUBLIC SAFETY, TRANSPORTATION, AND EDUCATION.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE WORKED LONG AND MANY MONTHS AND HOURS ON THIS.
THIS WAS NOT A, UH, SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION BUDGET.
UH, I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY DONE SOME THINGS DIFFERENTLY, BUT, UM, IT'S NOT MY CALL PER SE, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU PUT IN ON THIS.
AND I GUESS IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP.
I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT.
YOU CONTINUE TO SHARE THE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE WITH YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE AND SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
I APPRECIATE THE EIGHTY-FIVE PERCENT OPEN SPACE, OBJECTIVE, STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE COUNTY AND A SUPPORTING MONICA AND SWAN WATER, I THINK HELPS GET TO THAT 85% ALSO WITH MS. HOPS, UH, RECOGNIZING SOME OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND, AND INTEGRAL PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
MY PAGE A DAY CALENDAR TODAY SAID IT'S NATIONAL FIREFIGHTERS DAY.
NOW YESTERDAY WAS NATIONAL PEACH COBBLER DAY.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S AN ACCURATE RECOGNITION OR NOT, BUT IF IT IS NATIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, THEY, I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THOSE FOLKS.
I'VE NEVER HAD NEED FOR THEIR SERVICES, UH, WITH A FIRE OR EMERGENCY AT MY HOUSE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE ENTHUSIASM AND DEDICATION THAT THEY BRING TO THE TABLE.
SO I'M GOING TO ALSO SAY MS. LASKA LET DID US PROUD,
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UH, LAST MONTH IN THE WEEDS OF COUNTY, WHEN THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING BY THEIR WATER COMMISSION, UH, SHE EXPRESSED VERY DIRECTLY AND APPROPRIATELY CONCERNS WE HAVE HERE IN GOOCHLAND ABOUT, UH, PUBLIC UTILITIES, POTENTIALLY BEING BROUGHT TO THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY.UM, IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE PERMITTED TO DO BY STATE STATUTE.
HOWEVER, I THINK, UM, MS. LASKA LEAD DID A GOOD JOB ENCOURAGING BETTER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN LOUISA COUNTY AND GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
I THOUGHT IN GETTING THE VOTING LINES CORRECTED.
UH, AND SO MS. ALASKA, LANA, I SAW YOU IN ACTION AND YOU GO GIRL, UH, JUST LET YOU KNOW IF SHE DID THE COUNTY PROUD.
UM, ALSO AS LONG AS I'M SAYING, THANK YOU.
I THINK THE VACCINE EFFORTS, UH, MONICAN'S OFFICES ARE WHERE THE CLINICS HAVE BEEN HELD.
I APPRECIATE SEEING THE VOLUNTEER STAFF FROM THE COUNTY, UH, HELPING IMPLEMENT THOSE.
AND THEN ALSO, HOW CAN I GO SIT BACK DOWN WITHOUT SAYING THANK YOU FOR THE MOU ON THE BROADBAND INITIATIVE.
I THINK YOU FOLKS HAVE REALLY DONE A GOOD JOB IN FINDING A CREATIVE SOLUTION TO AN ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN, UH, FACING US HERE IN THE COUNTY FOR AWHILE.
WE'LL WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU HOW THAT TRANSLATED AND IT, YOU GOT IT CLOSE TO, RIGHT? IT'S ACTUALLY INTERNATIONAL FIREFIGHTERS DAY TODAY.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE ARE WE'LL CLOSE THE AFTERNOON, CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD, AND MOVE ALONG INTO THE BUSINESS BEFORE US STARTING WITH APPROVAL OF MINUTES
[X. Approval of Minutes]
FROM MARCH 2ND AND MARCH 9TH BOARD MEMBERS.ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS REQUESTS REGARDING THOSE MINUTES, IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UH, MR. CHAIR, UM, I MOVE THAT.
WE APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FOR MARCH 2ND AND MARCH 9TH, MARCH 2ND WAS A REGULAR MEETING AND MARCH 9TH WAS WORK SESSION.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, TURN YOUR GREEN LIGHTS ON AND SAY, AYE.
[XI. Reports]
VITA.[1. VDOT Report: To be provided at meeting]
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MR. YOUNG MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MARSHALL COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.SO HE SENT ME IN RICKY INSTEAD.
SO, UH, I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST AND THEN I'LL, I'LL TAKE ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS, CONCERNS.
UM, SO FIRST I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, WE HAD 83 WORK ORDERS THAT CAME IN THIS PAST MONTH.
UH, WE COMPLETED 90 OF THOSE, UH, FOR AFTER OUR CALL-INS, UM, WHERE FOLKS HAD TO MOBILIZE TO THE FIELD AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, UM, OUR SURFACE TREATMENT SCHEDULE, UM, FOR SECONDARY ROADS IS FINISHING UP TODAY, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL SOON BE, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER CONTRACT.
THAT'S MOVING THROUGH, UH, SUBDIVISIONS DOING OUR, OUR CAPE SEAL, WHICH INVOLVES A LITTLE BIT MORE SURFACE TREATMENT, BUT A SLURRY OVERLAY ON TOP OF THAT, UM, WE HAVE, UH, OUR PRIMARY TRACTOR MOTORCYCLE IS GOING TO START, UH, IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, MID MAY.
YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL THE GRASS IS STARTING TO STARTING TO JUMP.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO START THAT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND THEN SOON IT'S ABOUT A THREE WEEK CYCLE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR SECONDARIES AND KIND OF PIGGYBACK BACK AND FORTH, UH, FOR THE SUMMER INTO THE FALL.
UM, AS FAR AS STUDIES GO, WE HAVE A FEW STUDIES THAT ARE STILL PENDING AND DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED, UM, IN THE PAST 30 DAYS.
BUT WE DO HAVE A FEW THAT ARE PENDING, INCLUDING ROUTE SIX AND, UM, A SPEED STUDY ON FIVE 22 AND SEVEN OH ONE.
UM, AND THEN A SAFETY STUDY IS SIX OH EIGHT.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING I HAVE.
UM, I'D BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY, ANY, UH, CONCERNS.
AND WE ALSO GOT THE TWO PAGER IN OUR PACKET AND I APOLOGIZE.
I KNOW RICKY CAWTHORNE I PROBABLY JUST SKIPPED RIGHT OVER MY OWN NAME.
I'M PHILIP FRAZIER WITH V DOT.
AND MR. COSTA ORRIN IS WITH YOU, RIGHT? YOU AND FOR MARSHALL, TELL HIM WE MISSED HIM, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT AND BOARD MEMBERS IN MS. LAST CLIP.
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THANK YOU.I DO HAVE A REQUEST IN FOR HAYDENVILLE FIVE ROAD IN FRONT OF, UH, SECOND UNION BAPTIST CHURCH FOR SPEED LIMITS.
UH, POSSIBLY LIKE IN LIGHTS THERE THAT'S BEEN IN FOR AWHILE, BUT I JUST ADDED AND JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF IT.
WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA LATER TODAY AND ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO PASS, THAT WILL BE FROM A POLLING LOCATION.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE THAT JUST ADDS MORE TRAFFIC FOR, IF WE HAVE A PRIMARY AND A GENERAL ELECTION THAT'S 90 DAYS IN ADDITION A YEAR THAT ADDITIONAL PEOPLE BECOME AN IN AND OUT OF THERE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN.
I, I THINK THE, THE FLASHING LIGHTS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE SOMETHING THAT ARE FLIPPED ON DURING LIKE A CHURCH SERVICE AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I BELIEVE THAT THOSE SIGNS ARE INSTALLED VIA PERMIT, UM, THROUGH OUR LAND USE OFFICE, UH, THE, THE CHURCH OR WHOEVER, UM, PUTS IN A PERMIT, THEY INSTALL IT AND THEN THEY TAKE CARE OF FLIPPING THEM ON AND OFF AND PROVIDING POWER TO IT AND EVERYTHING.
SO, UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK WITH YOU TO, TO GET SOME MORE OF THOSE PUT UP.
UM, BUT, BUT YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE, WE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR PERMIT STAFF TO, UM, ON THAT.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER REQUEST FOR ANOTHER CHURCH FOR THE SAME, SAME ISSUE, BUT THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE IT'S BECOME A, A POLLING LOCATION.
I THINK HEIGHTENS IT A LITTLE BIT.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE, I JUST NOTICED IT TODAY.
CAUSE I GUESS I HAD GONE DOWN THAT WAY AROUND THE 2,500 BLOCK OF ROUTE SIX OH THREE.
THERE'S A TREE THAT'S, UM, PARTLY OBSCURE ON THE ROAD.
CAME DOWN, I GUESS, IN THE WIND OR WHATEVER.
SO SOMEONE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
YOU CAN GET AROUND IT, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE IN THE RED.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. FRAZIER, MR. SWEETHEART.
UM, THANK YOU FOR REPORT, MR. FRAZIER, JUST A COUPLE THINGS REAL QUICK.
I'M VERY EXCITED THAT, UM, IN TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY, UH, COUNTY STAFF AND
WE'VE SET UP QUARTERLY MEETINGS TO GO DEEPER ON ISSUES.
SO BOARD, IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS, UM, MR. CAMPBELL WILL BE TAKING AND CREATING AN AGENDA, UH, FOR THAT.
SO REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HELP, UM, BOTH, UH, BOTH OUR SIDES A LOT, UM, AND ULTIMATELY HELP THE CITIZENS.
ONE THING I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND, UH, REGARDING THE CAPE SEAL APPLICATIONS, MY NEIGHBORHOOD GOT THE CAPE SEAL LAST YEAR, AND WHILE IT LOOKS GREAT, WHEN IT'S APPLIED IN THE SUMMER, IT DOESN'T HOLD UP VERY WELL.
SO EVERY WEEK I WOULD, ON MONDAYS AFTER COUNTY WASTE WOULD COME THROUGH, I WOULD GET CALLS, EVERY CALL, THE SACK WAS TORN UP, UM, BECAUSE THE CASE TO THE APPLICATION, WHEN IT WAS SO HOT, DIDN'T HAVE CHANCE TO SET MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, THAT WE LET THESE NEIGHBORHOODS KNOW HOW THIS PROCESS IS WORK.
UM, AND IT TAKES A WHILE AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THIS WINTER OF CURING, IF IT, UH, IF IT HOLDS UP ANY BETTER, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS SUCH A GREAT THING THAT WE WOUND UP GETTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPAVE.
WE WANT IT BEING NOTHING BUT CALLS AND HEADACHES BECAUSE OF JUST THE PRODUCT ITSELF.
SO I WANT TO MAKE FOLKS AWARE.
AND ACTUALLY I JUST MOVED INTO A BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S ACTUALLY GETTING THE CAPE SEAL AND I'M, I'M, I'M NOT TELLING ANYBODY IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, I WORK FOR
SO, BUT YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT'S, IT'S AN EVERY YEAR KIND OF ISSUE THAT.
UM, BUT YEAH, I WILL DEFINITELY PASS THAT ON.
WHEN TALKING TO THEM AND THAT THE COMPANY ITSELF IS SAYING IT DOESN'T HOLD UP WELL WITH TEMPERATURES OVER 90 DEGREES, ONE WOULD WONDER WHY A VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT WOULD USE THAT PRODUCT WHEN THAT'S ALL JULY AND AUGUST.
CAN YOU TURN THE MIC ON PLEASE? SORRY.
TWO MEETINGS AGO WITH ALL THE TREES THAT CAME DOWN, CONTRACTORS COME THROUGH, THEY ZAP THEM OFF LITERALLY AT THE EDGE OF THE ROAD, RIGHT? AND THESE THINGS ARE TRAPS FOR PEOPLE.
IF YOU HAVE TO VEER OFF THE ROAD TO AVOID AN ONCOMING VEHICLE, IT'S GOING TO GO STRAIGHT THROUGH SOMEBODY'S FACE.
IS THERE ANY, IS THAT, ARE WE MAKING ANY HEADWAY ON THOSE THINGS? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT IN GOOCHLAND.
SO W W WE ARE, WE TOOK A BREAK, UM, BASICALLY THE WAY WE RESPOND TO THESE EVENTS AS WE GET OUT THERE AND IMMEDIATELY, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, WE CUT THE TREE KIND OF RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF PAYMENT, WE GET IT OFF TO THE ROAD SO THAT TRAFFIC CAN MOVE THROUGH.
UM, THAT'S OUR PRIMARY GOAL UPFRONT WHEN THE STORM OCCURS.
UM, AND THEN OVER TIME, YES, WE COME BACK AND WE CUT THOSE TREES THAT ARE, THAT ARE HAZARD.
WE REMOVE THEM, UH, WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE STARTED TO DO THAT.
UM, THEN WE STARTED, WE HAD TO PREP FOR THE SURFACE TREATMENT SCHEDULE, WHICH INVOLVES A LITTLE BIT OF PATCHING.
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UM, SO WE TOOK A BREAK.UH, WE STOPPED, UM, WITH THE TREE REMOVAL FOR A FEW WEEKS.
AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS WE'VE BEEN BACK ON THE TREE REMOVAL FOR THE LAST ABOUT WEEK AND A HALF.
UH, THAT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TACKLING FOR PROBABLY THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.
UM, BUT IT IS OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GET EVERYTHING, ALL OF THOSE HAZARDOUS DOWN TREES THAT WERE CUT AT THE, AT THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT, GET THEM OUT OF THERE ALTOGETHER.
BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY JUST CUT THEM A NOTE, ANOTHER FOUR FEET OFF THE ROAD, JUST TO GET THE HAZARD OUT.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO PILE ON, BUT I WANTED TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ON CAPE SEAL.
UM, CAUSE WE'VE HAD THAT ISSUE IN MY DISTRICT AS WELL.
AND QUESTION FIRST, UM, DO WE, UH, NOTIFY THE RESIDENTS OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS BEFORE IT'S DONE SO THAT THEY KNOW IT'S COMING? YEAH, I BELIEVE THE CONTRACTOR IS REQUIRED TO LEAVE SOME KIND OF A NOTIFICATION.
TYPICALLY THEY'RE IN THE DOOR IN THE MAILBOX.
UM, IT LETS PEOPLE KNOW SO THAT THEY CAN NOT PARK ON THE STREET.
UM, I'VE SEEN SOME UGLY SITUATIONS WHERE SOMEONE WAS PARKED ON THE STREET AND THEY JUST, THEY JUST, INSTEAD OF ASKING THEM TO MOVE, THEY WENT AROUND IT, WHICH, WHICH DOESN'T LOOK GREAT.
UM, SO YEAH, THERE IS, THERE IS A PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, UM, REQUIREMENT BY THE CONTRACT.
WELL, I'D LOVE TO JUST WEIGH IN AND EMPHASIZE THAT IF YOU CAN BRING THAT BACK TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTICE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SIGNS AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND SOMETHING IN EACH OF THE MAILBOXES, BUT JUST LETTING FOLKS KNOW IN ADVANCE.
THIS IS COMING BECAUSE INITIALLY IT CAME AS A SURPRISE FOR FOLKS THAT MOVED INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE WAS ASPHALT.
AND THEN WHEN IT CAME TIME TO RESURFACE IT WASN'T DONE WITH ASPHALT, IT WAS TAKEN DOWN A NOTCH.
SO THE SURPRISE ELEMENT WAS THERE.
THE SECOND THING IS, UH, I GUESS THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF LOOSE GRAVEL THAT TENDS TO ACCUMULATE AND YOU CAN CARRY BACK AGAIN.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IF YOU CAN HAVE THAT CONTRACTOR VACUUM OR JUST SWEEP CLEAR THAT LOOSE GRAVEL UP BECAUSE CHIP WINDSHIELDS, YOU KNOW, CHIP PAINT, I MEAN, JUST IT'S A NIGHTMARE.
SO IF YOU NOTICE THEM UPFRONT AND THEN MINIMIZE THE POTENTIAL FOR DAMAGE, THOSE ARE AT LEAST TWO THINGS YOU CAN DO TO AMELIORATE THE PROBLEMS. SO IF YOU COULD LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT I'VE MENTIONED THAT AND BRING THAT BACK.
THE ONE THING I WILL MENTION, IF, IF ANYBODY, HOPEFULLY THIS, YOU CAN LET ANYBODY KNOW IF THERE IS A CHIP WINDSHIELD OR THERE'S DAMAGE DONE TO A VEHICLE.
UM, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE TORT CLAIM PROCESS AND HAVE THAT TYPICALLY IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE CONTRACTOR, A ROCK THAT GOT THROWN UP, UM, WE CAN TYPICALLY GET THAT REPAIRED.
SO, SO THAT, THAT IS, I KNOW WE'D RATHER AVOID IT, BUT WE DO HAVE WAYS TO, UM, TO FIX IT.
AND IF, UM, UM, COULD YOU ALSO LET ME KNOW, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE SUBCONTRACTORS ARE DOING THE WORK.
UH, WHAT KIND OF SUPERVISION DOES VITA PROVIDE AS DURING, BEFORE AFTER THE WORK'S BEING DONE? SO WE, WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE INSPECTORS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THESE PROJECTS.
UH, THE UNFORTUNATE PART IS THAT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE AN INSPECTOR THAT THAT WILL BE ON ONE SIDE OF GOOCHLAND AND THEN FOR THE MORNING, AND THEN IN THE AFTERNOON, THEY MIGHT NEED TO RUN TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EAST END OF HANOVER TO, TO CHECK ON ANOTHER CONTRACTOR.
SO IF, SOMETIMES WE'RE, WE'RE SHORT ON, UM, INSPECTION STAFF, I'M NOT REALLY SUPER INVOLVED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF THESE CONTRACTS, BUT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE INSPECTORS THAT ARE ASSIGNED, UM, TO EACH OF THESE NOW HOW SPREAD THIN THEY ARE.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU THE LAST THING AND THEN I'LL LET THEM, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
THESE ARE PROCESSES CREATE
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO WHAT YOU CAN TO KEEP THE CITIZENS IN THE LOOP AND MINIMIZE THE DAMAGE AND THEN, UH, UH, JUST KEEP THEIR INTERESTS IN MIND.
LET US KNOW HOW WE CAN HELP TOO.
IF YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
JUST TO COMMENT ON MR. PETERSON'S, UH, QUESTION ABOUT SUPERVISION.
I WILL SAY THAT, UH, WE HAD AN INCIDENT IN ONE OF, OR A COUPLE OF DRIVEWAYS WERE DAMAGED.
ONE FOOT, THEY PAVED OVER FOUR FEET OF STAMPED, PAVED CONCRETE DRIVEWAY.
UM, THE, THIS TEAM WAS OUTSTANDING AND THE CONTRACTOR DID NOT GET PAID UNTIL THE HOMEOWNERS WERE SATISFIED.
SO THEY, I WOULD SAY WHILE IT WASN'T PLEASANT TO GO THROUGH, THEY DID REPRESENT OUR EFFORTS REALLY WELL NOW.
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THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. COTHREN MR. FRAZIER FOR SHARING.RIGHT ALONG MS. RICE, UH, DIRECTOR
[2. 4002: Introduction of New County Staff]
OF HR WITH NEW COUNTY STAFF.UM, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR NEW STAFF THAT JOINED US DURING THE MONTH OF APRIL.
WE HAD FIVE OF THEM, UM, TWO PART-TIMERS AND THREE FULL-TIMERS.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS ACTUALLY RIGHT OVER HERE AND FROM OUR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT, UM, AFTER SOMEBODY HAD RESIGNED, THE POSITION WAS KIND OF REDESIGNED AND ASSESSMENT WAS DONE AWARE WE COULD BEST UTILIZE THAT, THAT POSITION.
AND THEY ARE NOW HELPING US WITH ALL OF OUR TECHNOLOGY NEEDS FOR ALL OF OUR BOARD AND COMMISSIONS MEETING.
SO, UM, OVER THERE IS WARREN WHITE WITH INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, AND THEN OUT IN THE COMMUNION CENTER, WE DID HAVE SEVERAL POSITIONS COME UP.
THEY WERE ALL DUE TO RESIGNATIONS.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS MR. STEVEN TAYLOR STARTED ON APRIL 1ST.
UM, HE IS AT CONVENIENCE CENTER ATTENDED ONE, AND THEN WE HAVE RODNEY LAWSON WHO ALSO BEGAN EMPLOYMENT ON HIM ON APRIL 1ST AS AN ATTENDED ONE.
UM, AND THEY'RE PART OF THE GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE PHILIP GRAYSON WHO STARTED ON APRIL 1ST.
HE'S A CONVENIENT CENTER ATTENDANT TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO POSITIONS IS THAT THE TENANT TWO HAS A CDL LICENSE AND HELPS US HAUL THINGS BACK AND FORTH AND WE'LL HELP ANOTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL, UM, AS NEEDED.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE DO HAVE A PART-TIME CONVENIENCE CENTER ATTENDANT WHO STARTED WORKING JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO ON APRIL 28TH ON THE CONVENIENCE SIDE.
URANIUM REDUCTIONS, WELCOME ALL AND, UH, GETTING, UH, GETTING A GOOD ONE MONTH IN.
WARREN'S GETTING A GOOD, GOOD EXPERIENCE.
ALRIGHT, THANKS AGAIN, MS. RICE, UM, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY
[3. 3987: Planning and Development Activity]
IS NEXT, UH, BOARD.THE REPORT IS IN OUR PACKAGE TRYING TO GET A PAGE NUMBER CAN GET THERE IN A SECOND.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR PLANNING FOLKS ON ANYTHING IN THAT THAT'S ON PAGE 2030, NINE, 39 OF OUR PACKET, SEVERAL THINGS, SEVERAL, SEVERAL PAGES OF THINGS LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE BUSY IN THE MONTHS AHEAD.
ALRIGHT, NO QUESTIONS ON THAT.
UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR NEXT STAFF.
WE'RE PUTTING THAT IN THEIR ACCOUNTS PAYABLE WILL
[4. Accounts Payable: Available next month]
BE AVAILABLE NEXT MONTH.AND THEN WE'LL GO AROUND WITH BOARD REPORTS.
[5. Board Reports]
UM, IF, UH, MR. PETERSON, MR. SHARP, YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT? WE'LL HEAR MORE ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, BUT, UM, FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE, BUT MR. PETERSON, IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF HIT ON THAT OR ANYTHING ELSE.MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, THE GOODSON COUNTY FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE, UH, DID MEET JUST PRIOR TO THIS MEETING AT ONE O'CLOCK TODAY.
AND WE HAD A FAIRLY FULL AGENDA.
UM, SOME OF THE ITEMS WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO THIS GROUP, UM, LATER ON UNDER NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER TWO TODAY, UH, WE REVIEWED THE THIRD QUARTER RESULTS AND, UH, PLEASED TO REPORT THAT THE, UH, COUNTY REMAINS ON FIRM FINANCIAL FOOTING.
UM, AND YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THOSE DETAILS LATER.
THE OTHER TWO THINGS THAT, UH, WE ACTUALLY TOOK ACTION ON IT AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE COMING BEFORE THIS GROUP WE'RE ON, UH, SOME GRANT FUNDS, UM, THAT WERE MADE AVAILABLE TO US AND, UM, AND THE UPCOMING POTENTIAL REFERENDUM.
UM, THERE'LL BE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE COMING FORWARD, UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO REPORT THIS POINT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU, MR. SHORTEN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR THIS SEGMENT OF OUR MEETING DOWN THIS TIME, THIS LAST COLETTE PLAN, RVA THE CHAIRMAN FROM A PLAN RV PERSPECTIVE? I HAVE TWO MORE MONTHS AS CHAIR AND HOW ARE WE PASSING THE GAVEL AND WE'RE WORKING ON A COMMITTEE TO TAKE THAT ON.
UM, I'VE ENJOYED THAT ROLE, UH, IMMENSELY LEARNED A LOT.
I WANTED TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CBTA, UM, WHICH I'M ALSO, WHICH I ALSO SIT ON.
UM, IT IS BECOMING CLEAR THAT THIS IS THE REGIONAL COOPERATION THAT WAS HOPED FOR IS, IS BEING SEEN LESS AND LESS.
AND SOME OF THOSE SMALLER LOCALITIES ARE STARTING TO VOICE CONCERNS REGARDING THINGS LIKE, UH, 15% OF THE TAX REVENUE EARNED GOING TO, UM, GRTC WHEN THEY HAVE NO REPRESENTATION.
UH, SO SOME OF THE SMALLER COUNTIES ARE STARTING
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TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE VOCAL.WE HAVE NOTICED THAT, UM, AS THE CVT H UH, SETS UP ITS PROCESSES, WE'RE SEEING THAT HURDLES ARE BEING INTRODUCED SUCH AS, UH, TO QUALIFY FOR THE 35% REGIONAL PROJECTS, UH, THINGS LIKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WILL BE NEEDED.
UM, SO I SPOKE WITH MR. CAMPBELL AND HE IS, HE IS WORKING TO IDENTIFY, UH, AREAS WHAT'S ON THE TABLE NOW IS THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE 20,000 VEHICLES IN A DAY, THEN IT DOESN'T EVEN, YOU CAN'T EVEN SUBMIT FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THEY'RE PUTTING HURDLES THAT A LOT OF SMALL LOCALITIES CAN'T, UM, WON'T EVER BE ABLE TO MEET, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY SEEM LIKE REGIONAL COOPERATION.
SO, UH, STAFF IS AT THE TOP OF THIS AND LOOKING AT HOW MANY OF THE ROADS WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE IMPACTED AND WHAT THOSE IMPACTS ARE.
SO AS THESE, AS THESE NOTIFICATIONS GO OUT, I ENCOURAGE WARD MEMBERS TO WHAT WE KNOW WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON THESE THINGS.
SO I CAN REPRESENT THE FULL BOARD AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE WORLD, ACCORDING TO NEIL.
THAT'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS GOOD AT SOME.
I THINK I WAS LISTENING TO YOU AND I WAS TRYING TO PUT MY HAT ON FROM SOMEBODY THAT MAY NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT CVT CVT IS.
SO CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, AND YOU ARE REPRESENTING YOUR GOOSSENS REPRESENTATIVE.
IT CONSISTS OF THE SAME JURISDICTIONS THAT MAKE UP THE REGION, THE PLANNING DISTRICT REGION.
UM, AND SO THERE'S A NEW TAX THAT WAS LAST YEAR AND THEN AN OCTOBER TAXES, UH, THAT ARE DEDICATED SOLELY TO THIS AUTHORITY, CORRECT? WE GET 50% OF THE TAXES WE COLLECT, CORRECT.
WE HAVE TO USE IT ON TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
35% GOES TO THE REGIONAL PROJECTS.
AND NET YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHERE THEY'RE STARTING TO BE SOME DEBATE.
IT'S LIKE, WHAT IS A REGIONAL PROJECT? WHAT MEETS THE CRITERIA? AND THEN OF COURSE THE REMAINING 15% GOES TO WHAT'S CALLED TRANSIT, WHICH IN THIS REGION IS, IS A HUNDRED PERCENT GRTC YES.
AND LAST YEAR, LAST MONTH I REPORTED WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE ABOUT HAVING THE GRTC ROUTES EXTENDED PERHAPS OUT TO SHELTERING ARMS, UM, THAT WILL SERVE GOOCHLAND.
SO WE ARE LOOKING TO SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE A USE OF SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING, UH, SET UP THAT HAS COME OUT AND YEP.
IT'S GOING TO BE PUT, WELL, I THINK, I THINK AS MR. CAMPBELL WORKS ON THIS, AND I THINK IN THE MONTHS AHEAD, THE BOARDS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, I'VE SAID ALL ALONG, REALLY PRIORITIZING OUR TRANSPORTATION.
AND THOSE TAXES, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO SAY THIS, EVERY OPPORTUNITY I GET.
UM, AND I KNOW MR. DRUMMER GETS TIRED OF ME SAYING IT, BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE 1% OF THE SALES TAX THAT HAS BEEN WAS INCURRED IN OCTOBER, UH, COMES BACK TO US, UH THEY'VE THEY INCREASED THE GASOLINE TAX 25% AND THAT COMES 50% OF IT COMES BACK.
SO IF, IF EVER THERE IS A REASON TO SHOP LOCAL, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT, THAT MONEY IS COMING BACK TO US.
SO, UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GET THE WORD OUT THERE THAT IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE HEADING FROM ENRICO OR FROM LOUISA, YOU KNOW, GET ACROSS THAT LINE, FILL UP YOUR TANK.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $2.2 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE PER YEAR.
SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT STAY HERE AND BOOTS ON IT.
THANK YOU BOARD FOR ALL THOSE REPORTS.
AND, UM, SO NOW WE'LL MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA,
[XII. Consent Agenda]
UH, PROCESS HERE AS IF ANY BOARD MEMBER WISHES TO PULL A CONSENT ITEM OUT FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION, LET ME KNOW.I'M MR. SHERIFF, YOU WOULDN'T.
I WOULD REQUEST TO PULL OUT ITEM NUMBER TWO REGARDING THE, UH, SETBACKS FOR ABOVE AND, AND GROUND SWIMMING POOL.
NUMBER TWO, ACROSS THREE, THREE, NINE, SEVEN, FIVE, ITEM TWO.
SO THAT LEAVES ONE, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN, UNLESS ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER WANTS TO PULL ANOTHER ITEM OUT.
SO MR. CHIP, PERHAPS WE COULD GET AN OVERVIEW FROM THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR NEXT STEP.
THE NEXT STEP, IF WE, IF WE AGREED ON THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO STAY IN THE CONSENT, NOT HEARING ANY OTHER ONES, WANTING TO BE PULLED MR. YOUNG, IF YOU COULD GO OVER A ONE, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AND BE READY FOR QUESTIONS ON THOSE, WE'LL KNOCK OUT NUMBER TWO, AFTER WE TAKE CARE OF THE OTHERS.
SO MR. CHAIR, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE, UH, SIX ITEMS, UH, BEFORE YOU, UH, THIS AFTERNOON FOR, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.
[1. 3978: Request to initiate and refer to the Planning Commission an amendment to]
TO INITIATE AND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15 DESK, TWO 62 USES AND STRUCTURES PERMITTED BY RIGHT OR BY, UH, AGENDA, UH, ON THE, BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, TO ALLOW DISTRIBUTION CENTERS AS A BI-RITE USE IN MUN INDUSTRIAL LIMITED DISTRICT, UM, WE'VE IDENTIFIED A TARGET AND EMERGENCY BUSINESSES, UH, IN THE COUNTY, UH, THROUGH SOME PROCESSES, UH, TO BE, UH, ONE OF THE SECTORS[00:45:01]
THAT WE ARE TARGETING, UH, FOR LOGISTICS.UH, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW THE USE OF DISTRIBUTION CENTERS.
SO THEREFORE, TO PROCREATE TO ADD THIS USE AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, THE MTU DISTRICT ALLOWS ALL OF THE MUN USES.
SO IT ONLY NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE COUNTY CODE IN THE M ONE DISTRICT.
AND THEN TWO, YOU HAVE PULLED OUT.
[3. 3977: Request to Set Public Hearing for June 1, 2021, to consider an ordinance]
IS A REQUEST TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING GOOCHLAND COUNTY SECTION 14 DASH TWO FIVE.ONE TOOK A WHO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT TO ADD A TAX MAPS NUMBERS, 48 DASH ONE DASH ZERO DASH FIVE, TWO ZERO AND 48, BATCH ONE DASH ZERO DASH SEVEN FIVE ZERO INTO THE TUCKAHOE CREEK, UH, SERVICE DISTRICT THERE PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY ASSESSED AT A COMBINED VALUE OF $463,200 WITH A COMBINED AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 16.1, TWO ACRES OF THESE PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED IN ZONE A TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED ITEM.
[4. 3998: Request to Set Public Hearing for June 1, 2021, to consider an ordinance]
FOUR IS A REQUEST TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JUNE 1ST, 2021 TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING GOOCHLAND COUNTY CODE TWO DESKS, SIX, FIVE POLLING PLACES TO CHANGE THE FIVE PRESENT PULLING PLACE TO SECOND UNION BAPTIST CHURCH AND THE GOOCHLAND COURTHOUSE ONE AND TWO PRECINCTS TO THE GYMNASIUM AT THE GOOCHLAND SPORTS COMPLEX.THESE CHANGES ARE BEING MADE TO ACCOMMODATE THE REQUEST OF THE GOOCHLAND FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT VOLUNTEER ASSOCIATION THAT HAS FACILITIES NO LONGER BE USED AS PULLING PLACES.
I DON'T NUMBER FIVE, AS AN AUTHORIZATION
[5. 3962: Authorization for County Administrator to execute a License Agreement for]
FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE A LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR A POLLING PLACE AT ST.MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH WERE SIX IS
[6. 3997: Consideration of a Resolution accepting a 2021 Virginia Telecommunication]
CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING A 2021 VIRGINIA TELECOMMUNICATION INITIATIVE, BROADBAND GRANT AND AMENDED THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BUDGET TO APPROPRIATE GRANT AWARD AND MATCH FUNDS AND AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE ANY NECESSARY DOCUMENTS IN FURTHERANCE OF THE PROJECT.[7. 3995: Authorization for County Administrator to Execute Second Amendment to]
SEVEN IS AUTHORIZATION OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE A SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE SPECIAL PROJECT SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH CENTRAL VIRGINIA WASTE MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY FOR HAZARD FOR HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS EVENT COLLECTION, HAULING AND DISPOSAL SERVICES.THAT COMPLETES YOUR CONSENTED.
MR. YOUNG BOARD MEMBERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON TURN YOUR MIC ON BOARD MEMBERS? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THAT WE PULLED OUT? MR. CHAIR? YES.
UM, MR. YOUNG, WOULD YOU, UH, JUST IN A LITTLE, I KNOW IT'S A VERY LONG SUBJECT, BUT ON ITEM NUMBER SIX, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
I BELIEVE IT IS IN OUR BOARD PACKET, BUT, UM, IT'S MORE INFORMATION ON THAT GRANT BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY EXCITING STUFF TO ME ANYWAY.
SO, UM, I DID NUMBER SIX, THIS IS THE, OF WHAT WE CALL THE BODY GRANT.
AND, UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED THIS GRANT AND LET ME, CAN I HAVE TWO, HEY, FIND A PLACE HERE REAL QUICK WITH PANTS I'M ON HERE.
IT'S ON PAGE 71 OF THE PACKET.
AND FOR TATI IS VIRGINIA TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE GRANT.
I'M TRYING TO LOOK FOR GRANT AMOUNT HERE.
SO, UM, THE GOVERNOR DID, UH, AWARD, UH, GOOCHLAND COUNTY AND, UH, PORT 80 INTERNET SERVICES, UM, A GRANT AWARD OF $567,557 AND 98 CENTS, UH, FOR, UH, FOR OUR GRANT THAT WILL, UM, IT'S PRIMARILY IN THE CROZIER AREA OF THE COUNTY.
IT HAS, WHERE ARE WE CONNECTING APPROXIMATELY 10.3, SIX MILES OR 281, UH, HOUSES AND APPROXIMATELY 10 BUSINESSES, UM, PORT 80 INTERNET SERVICES, THEY'VE PLEDGED $247,707 AND 40 CENTS.
AND, UH, THE OVERALL PROJECT, UH, TOTAL IS 915,265.
UM, THE COUNTY HAS MATCHED, UH, $100,000 OF OUR FUNDS, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.
AND, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AHEAD, FULL SPEED WITH THIS PROJECT AND TRY AND HAVE IT COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
WOULD YOU LIKE ANY MORE FAVORS AND WHISTLES? OKAY.
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SO WE'RE ADOPTING A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE GRANT.DO WE COME BACK LATER AND APPROPRIATE OR ARE WE ALSO APPROPRIATE? THIS IS THE APPROPRIATION APPROPRIATE IS THE APPROPRIATION.
SO IF THE APPROPRIATION OF FATAAR FUNDS, IT'S ALSO APPROPRIATING OUR MATCHING OUR MATCHING FUNDS A HUNDRED THOUSAND, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS TO EXECUTE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND FURTHER INTO THE PROJECT.
WE'RE ALSO ASKING YOU TO AUTHORIZE THE APPROPRIATION OF THE DOLLARS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE BODY GRANT AS WELL.
UM, SO WE CAN START THOSE EXPENSE.
SO WHAT, WHY, WHY, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK WE'LL GET THIS DONE THIS, THIS YEAR, MR. DRUMRIGHT CAN PROBABLY HELP HELP ME A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT ONE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, PAUL DRUM, RIGHT COMMUNITY AFFAIRS MANAGER, UM, WITH THE VATA GRANTS, YOU HAVE 18 MONTHS TO COMPLETE THOSE AND WE'VE BEEN, UH, WE ACCEPTED IT ONCE, ONCE WE ACCEPT IT, WHEN YOU HAVE 18 MONTHS TO COMPLETE IT, THAT IS PART OF THE BODY PROGRAM.
UM, ONE OF THE BETTER PROGRAMS WHERE YOU HAVE A SHORT TURNAROUND, UH, AND MORE FOCUSED PROJECTS AND WORKING WITH PORT 80, UM, WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, GET THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT DONE WITHIN, BY THE END OF THE YEAR, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL WORK RELATED TO THE PROJECT GOING INTO 2022.
UM, BUT WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE IT TAKING, UM, A REALLY LONG TIME THERE.
UH, WE UNDERSTAND OUR CITIZENS DESPERATELY NEED BROADBAND AND ARE DESPERATELY WAITING FOR IT.
AND SO OUR GOAL IS TO GET IT DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND SO THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THIS RESOLUTION IS ALLOWING US TO ELIMINATE ANY ROADBLOCKS, ANY BARRIERS THAT MAY COME UP, ALLOWING US TO JUST KEEP MOVING QUICKLY ON ANY, UM, ANYTHING WE NEED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO SIGN OFF ON.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THEM.
SO 18 POINT NOW, 18.9 MILES OF FIBER BACKBONE.
CAN YOU JUST TELL US KIND OF WHERE THAT ISN'T AND THEN IT'S GOT ANOTHER 10.3, SIX MILES OF DROPS CONNECTING, AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE SERVICEABLE UNITS, INCLUDING 10 BUSINESSES, BUT WHERE'S THAT 18.9 MILES OF BACKGROUND GOING ROUGHLY, ROUGHLY.
SO TH THIS IS TARGETING THE GREATER CROZIER AREA.
SO IT IS GOING TO COME UP, UM, CARGO ROAD AS WELL.
IT'S GOING TO GO, UH, BEAVER DAM CREEK UP INTO THE STRAWBERRY RUN AREA AS WELL.
IT WILL HIT, UM, THE COVINGTON SUBDIVISION, UH, PORTIONS OF, UH, CARDWELL ROAD.
WE'LL GET IT, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, AS PART OF, UH, ANOTHER FEDERAL GRANT OR A FEDERAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITY, UH, THE FCCS RURAL DIGITAL OPPORTUNITY FUND.
WE HAD A RE-SCOPE OUR INITIAL GRANT AND REMOVE SOME AREAS BECAUSE THEY GOT FUNDED THROUGH A DIFFERENT, UH, THEY GOT FUNDED THROUGH THE FCC, AND THAT WAS A FIREFLY FIBER BROADBAND.
UM, SO ONE SIDE OF CARDWELL STAYED IN THE GRANT, THE OTHER DIDN'T, UM, IT WILL ALSO COME DOWN GENERIC TOW, UM, ROAD AND THEN GO UP A SHALLOW WELL ROAD AS WELL, A PORTION OF SHALLOW.
WELL, UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL MAPS IN INFORMATION.
WE'LL BE PUTTING UP ON THE WEBSITE ABOUT WHERE IT IS, AND WE'LL BE DOING OUTREACH, UH, AS WE'RE WORKING ON THAT PROJECT.
UM, WE DON'T NOT HAVE THAT UP THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT SO THAT IT'S A TARGETED AREA, UM, WHERE, WHERE THIS WILL BE GOING.
SO COMPLETION MEANS, UM, LIVE IT'S LIVE TO ALL, ANYBODY THAT WANTS.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A COMPONENT WHERE, BECAUSE I KNOW THE FOLKS IN STRAWBERRY RUN ARE PROBABLY LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE THAT DOESN'T HAVE, IT ARE REALLY ANXIOUS TO GET SOME, UH, INTERNET UP THERE.
SO, SO WE, EVERYWHERE WE, WE INCLUDED IN THE GRANT, WE HAVE TO OFFER IT.
THEY DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT IT.
WE WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO ACCEPT IT.
UM, AND SO THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS IN THE GRANT WHERE WE SIGN OFF TO, TO SHOW THAT IT IS COMPLETE.
UM, AND WE, IN ORDER TO GET OUR MONEY FROM THE STATE, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE UPDATES TO THEM, UH, BEFORE THEY WILL GIVE US OUR, OUR MONEY.
I MEAN, ARE WE KIND OF RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UPDATES TO THE STATE OR, OR IS THAT A SHARED, IT IS SHARED DUTY BETWEEN US IN PORT 80, BUT WE'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO SUBMIT IT.
SO THE COUNTY HAS TO SUBMIT IT, BUT THIS WILL BE OWNED BY PORT 80.
SO W WE'RE HELPING PORT 80, GET THE FUNDS FOR THIS, THEIR PARTNERSHIP TOGETHER.
BUT ONCE WE'RE DONE, WE'RE DONE WITH IT.
OUR OBLIGATION, OUR FINANCIAL OBLIGATION.
ONCE WE GET THROUGH ALL THE, THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND GRANT, ALL, ALL THE RULES AND EVERYTHING IN THE STATE SIGNS OFF AND SAYS, WE'RE GOOD.
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THEN EVENTUALLY.YEAH, WE WILL BE OUT OF, OUT OF IT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, ON, ON OUR, UH, NUMBER ONE, THE, OR, NO, NOT, NOT NUMBER ONE NUMBER.
I LOST THE TRACKING, BUT THE TAX MAP, PARCELS BEING ADDED, THERE ARE TWO PARCELS, BUT THEY'RE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER.
AND THEY ARE, UM, UP NEAR THE HENRY HANOVER HENRICO LINE.
THEY ARE RIGHT ON THE LINE WITH, UH, HANOVER.
AND THAT'S THE OUTSIDE BOUNDARY OF THE TCSD RIGHT THERE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? ALL RIGHT.
UM, CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE, ON THE ITEMS EXCEPT FOR THE ONE WE PULLED OUT.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE APPROVAL OF, UM, THE SIX CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. UM, ONE THROUGH SEVEN, EXCEPT NUMBER TWO SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION.
ALL RIGHT, MR. YOUNG, WE'RE GOING BACK TO NUMBER TWO ON I
[2. 3975: Request to initiate and refer to the Planning Commission an amendment to]
REQUEST TO INITIATE AND REFER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE SECTIONS EUROPE.WELL, MR. MR. CHAIR, UM, ONCE YOU TAKE IT OUT, UM, FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, TO YOUR ITEM TO DISCUSS AS A BOARD, UM, THE REQUEST TO, UM, INITIATE AND REFER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THE AMENDMENT TO SUNNY SECTIONS, 15 DASH ONE OH THREE 15 DASH ONE ONE THREE 15 DASH ONE THREE THREE 15 DASH ONE FOUR THREE 15 DASH ONE FIVE THREE 15 DASH ONE SIX THREE 15 DASH ONE SEVEN THREE 15 DASH ONE EIGHT THREE AND 15 DASH ONE NINE THREE.
UH, THIS IS TO ADD SETBACKS FOR ABOVE AND IN GROUND SWIMMING POOLS IN
UH, THE ORDINANCE, THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WOULD ESTABLISH A 15 FOOT SETBACK FOR SWIMMING POOLS.
UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, A SWIM POOLS ARE CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND HAVE A FIVE FOOT REAR AND SIDE YARD SETBACK.
SEVERAL OF THE OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE LARGER SETBACKS FOR SWIMMING POOLS.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A 15 FOOT REAR AND SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR ALSO IN POOLS IN GROUND AND ABOVE GROUND.
AND, UM, JOANNE IS ALSO HERE TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
OKAY, WELL, WE WILL DISCUSS THIS.
SO THE GIST OF IT IS WE'RE AMENDING, UH, BEING ASKED TO, OR CONSIDERING AMENDING SEVERAL SECTIONS OF THE CODE REGARDING SETBACK DISTANCES FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UM, ON PAGE, OR MAYBE THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW PAGE 48, UM, IS WHERE ON OUR PACKET.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO CLARIFY FOR YOU, THIS IS JUST TO A DECISION TO SEND IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE BEGINNING.
UM, THIS IS TO REFER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION, THE AMENDMENTS, AS, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, SO MR. SPOON, HOW, UM, YOU, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
WE CAN START THE DISCUSSION, BUT YOU WANTED TO PULL IT OUT.
SO I GUESS YOU HAD SOME THINGS YOU WANT TO SAY, MATT, DO YOU WANT A MOTION BEFORE WE DISCUSS IT? OR DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS, I THINK GREG COULD THINK CERTAINLY I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, BUT IF YOU JUST HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO KIND OF GET US STARTED, WE WON'T GO TOO LONG BEFORE.
I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION, BUT GO AHEAD.
SO, UH, I BRING, I BRING PULLED THIS OUT BECAUSE I WANT TO DUST TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, IN MY, I THINK I SHARED THE STORY THAT I'M ON MY WAY TO MY FIRST BOARD MEETING.
I GOT A CALL FROM A CITIZEN WHO SAID, YOU JUST, JUST REMEMBER THAT THE ORDINANCES THAT YOU CHANGE STAY AROUND
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LONG AFTER YOU.AND THAT IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS AS A BOARD.
WE DO, UM, LAND RIGHTS, THE BUDGET, WE WERE JUST COMING ON A BUDGET AND WE HAVE A LOT OF LAND RIGHTS THINGS.
SO, AND I KNOW ALL OF US TAKE THIS AND PROPERTY RIGHTS VERY SERIOUSLY.
UM, I FEEL LIKE IF WE ARE GOING TO ADOPT OR CHANGE ANY ORDINANCE, UH, THAT RESTRICTS LAND USE AS THIS, DOES THAT IT SHOULD MEET A VERY HIGH BAR.
WE HAVE SAID THIS BOARD MAINTAINS HIGH BAR FOR THINGS LIKE ORDINANCES AND PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND RESOLUTIONS.
I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD MAINTAIN AS EQUALLY A HIGH BAR FOR THIS KNOWING THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE AGAIN, RESTRICTING SOMEONE'S USE OF THE, OF THEIR PROPERTY.
UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE COMPLAINT REGARDING THIS.
UM, AND I ACTUALLY WENT TO THE COMPLAINTANT'S HOUSE AND I WENT AND SAW THE SITE.
AND YOU CAN ARGUE THAT IT'S TAKING AN ADDITIONAL 10 FEET, UM, ISN'T THAT BIG A DEAL, AND LET'S LET IT GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT I FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS BOARD TO AT LEAST HAVE A DISCUSSION THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO LOOK AT IMPACTING SOMEBODY'S USE OF THEIR LAND, IT SHOULD MEET THAT HIGH BAR.
UM, AND I DON'T FEEL THAT THIS DOES.
I ALSO FEEL LIKE THE SOLUTION THAT WE ARE ENTERTAINING SHOULD ACTUALLY OFFER REAL CHANGE.
MR. JENKINS, YOU AND I ARE LESS THAN 10 FEET APART.
THE PERSON WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS, HIS LIFE IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER BY THAT ADDITIONAL 10 FEET.
HOWEVER, IN TALKING TO THE HOMEOWNER WHO INSTALLED THE POOL, THAT WOULD HAVE COST THEM THOUSANDS OF MORE DOLLARS BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THEIR LAND.
SO I DON'T FEEL THAT THIS SOLUTION OFFERS AS MUCH, UM, AS THAT IT'S WORTH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS, ALL THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT MR. YOUNG, UH, HAD TO READ AND ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, AREAS.
AND I'LL WRAP THIS UP BY SAYING, I BELIEVE THERE ARE POTENTIALLY OTHER MECHANISMS TO HAVE.
THE REALITY IS THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT US IN OUR SUBDIVISIONS.
IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT US WHERE WE HAVE THE LARGE LANDS, THAT AREN'T AN ISSUE.
AND I, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THIS HUNTER, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO MY, MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE THE, PERHAPS THAT IS A BETTER PLACE TO TAKE THIS UP AS OPPOSED TO GOING IN AND CHANGING A ORDINANCE, MAKING SOMEBODY'S LAND, UM, MORE RESTRICTIVE, UH, BASED ON ONE COMPLAINT.
ANY, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
THIS CHAIR JUST, UH, MAYBE MS. MS. HUNTER MAY BE THE ONE OR MAYBE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THIS APPLIES TO CONSTRUCTION NEW CONSTRUCTION GOING FORWARD, AND ANY EXISTING WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED OR IS THIS CAPTURE ALL POOLS? THAT'S A PRO TO ANSWER THAT, I BELIEVE I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT SHE HAS THE RIGHT ONE GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD.
JOANNE HUNTER DIRECTOR, NO DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
UM, YEAH, THIS WOULD ALL, UH, EXISTING POOLS WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED.
SO THIS WOULD JUST BE ANY NEW POOLS THAT, UH, APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT AFTER IT POTENTIAL ADOPTION OF THIS.
SO IF IT WAS ADOPTED ON JULY SIX, THEN IT WOULD APPLY TO ANY POOLS COMING FORWARD AFTER THAT.
IF YOU COULD, UH, WE'VE HEARD THAT WE'VE HAD JUST THE ONE COMPLAINANT, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH YOUR, THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, AND THERE IS A PROVISION IN THERE THAT IT, UM, ADDS THE 15 FOOT SETBACK.
UM, AND FOR SOME REASON, IF THEY CAN'T MEET THAT SETBACK SUCH AS THAT, THAT THAT PERSON HAD SAID IT WOULD INCREASE THE COST.
THEY DO WOULD HAVE TO, COULD COME IN AND GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THERE IS A COST FOR THAT AS WELL, WHICH IS $750.
SO, UH, BUT PROBABLY LESS THAN THE THOUSANDS DOLLARS, IF YOU HAD TO REALLY CHANGE THE LOCATION OF THE POOL.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS W WELL, I'LL LET THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS GO FIRST IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I HAVE ONE FOR YOU TOO.
UM, MR. SPOONER TALKED ABOUT, BE BETTER.
I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT YOU THOUGHT MAYBE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE MAY BE A BETTER PLACE.
HOW DOES THAT, UM, SO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS REALLY, UM, UM, DEALING WITH MORE OF DIVIDING THE PROPERTY.
SO IT IS APPROPRIATE TO ADDRESS IT IN THE ZONING ORDERS.
THAT WAS MY, I THOUGHT, SO NOW, UH, THIS PARTICULAR CASE ONLY ONE COMPLAINT.
AND I ALSO, WHAT WERE YOU DOING IN MY DISTRICT? PICK UP YOUR SLACK, PICK UP MY SLACK.
IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR DISTRICT SENDING ANY DATA.
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UM, NOW WE'VE, I THINK SEVERAL OF US HAVE TALKED TO THE GENTLEMEN AND SEEN THE SITUATION, AND I HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE COMPLAINT, WHY, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS, UM, OVER ONE ITEM, BUT LET'S PUT THAT, LET'S PUT THAT IN CONTEXT AS WELL.THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS IS A ZONING.
AND ARE WE MAKING THIS CHANGE ACROSS ALL ZONING CLASSIFICATION ACROSS ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS? YES, SIR.
I THINK, I THINK THE, THE GENTLEMAN'S POINT IS WHEN YOU, AND THIS IS OUR, OUR, THE PROPERTY THAT THE COMPLAINT CAME FROM IT'S IN BREEZE HILL.
SO IT'S RP, RP, I MEAN, AND SO LOT SIZES ARE PRETTY LARGE, TWO ACRES, MINIMUM MINIMUM.
SO THIS PROPOSAL IS, AS IT'S BEING PRESENTED, WE WOULD APPLY THIS SETBACK TO EVEN, UM, ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS, WHERE THE LOT SIZES ARE SMALLER.
SO THIS IS, UH, UM, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN.
IT NOT ONLY APPLIES TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, BUT ALL ALSO OUR AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS AS WELL.
UM, SO REGARDLESS OF THE LOT SIZE, THE SETBACK WOULD BE 15 FEET.
UM, IF THIS WERE APPROVED, UM, UNLESS YOU GOT THAT PROVISION FOR THE CUP TO REDUCE THAT, CORRECT.
WELL, IS THERE A WAY WITH, THIS COULD BE RECRAFTED TO ADJUST A CHANGE, JUST DISTRICTS WHERE, BECAUSE I THINK YOU MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LARGE LOT SIZES.
I THINK THE PERSON'S EXPECTATION IS LIKE, WHY, BECAUSE IT IS VERY CLOSE TO HIS HOUSE.
UM, HE DIDN'T EXPECT SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THEM RIGHT UP ON THE PROPERTY LINE NOW IS A CHANGE TO 15 FEET ON A REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, BUT IS IT FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE OF STRUCTURING THE STATUTE AND ENFORCING IT, IS WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION FOR US TO SAY THIS APPLIES TO WHERE THERE ARE LARGER LOT SIZES CONTEMPLATED? WE COULD REVISE THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE WITH DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.
WE, WE WOULD NEED TO PULL THIS, UM, AND BRING BACK OUR REQUEST TO SET THAT UP AT A FUTURE MEETING AFTER WE, WE MADE THE CHANGES, UM, BUT WHATEVER THE BOARD DIRECTS US, WE'D BE HAPPY TO REVISE IT, BUT THAT'S AN OPTION THAT, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S SORT OF THE GENESIS OF THIS.
I'M BUYING OUR BIG AUDIT AND EXPECT MY NEIGHBORS TO BUILD RIGHT UP PRETTY MUCH TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU MEASURE IT, THAT THE POOL IS THE POOL IS TO, IS IT TO WHERE THE WATER IS, OR IF YOU HAVE TO PUT DECKING ON TOP OF IT.
PUT THE, UH, DEFINITION IN HERE THAT IT'S TO THE EDGE OF THE POOL.
IT WOULD BE TO THE PREVIOUS AND KNOWLEDGE AROUND HOW CLOSE UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE CAN SOMEBODY PUT LIKE THE DECK OR THE SLATE OR WHATEVER.
SO THE, RIGHT NOW THE SETBACK FOR POOLS IS FIVE FEET.
SO THAT WOULD BE FIVE FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE POOL TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE.
SO RIGHT WHERE THE LIP IS TO THE PROPERTY LINE WOULD NEED TO BE FIVE FEET.
AND ANY QUESTIONS MS. JARRETT, ONE MORE FOLLOW ON, UH, THIS, THAT WE'VE ALSO HEARD THAT, UH, OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE MORE LIKE THE 15, RATHER THAN THE FIVE SETBACK.
COULD YOU JUST TOUCH ON WHAT SOME OF THE SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS DO IN THIS CASE BENCHMARK, UM, OTHER LOCALITIES? UM, SO GENERALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GOOCHLAND HAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE SMALLER SETBACKS UNIFORM.
OUR SETBACKS ARE UNIFORM, WHETHER YOU'RE HEAVY, A HUNDRED ACRE, A LOT OF FIVE ACRE LOT, OR A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
SO ALL OF OUR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE FIVE FEET FROM THE REAR FROM FIVE FEET FROM THE SIDE.
SO SOME LOCALITIES HAVE DIFFERENT SETBACKS DEPENDING ON THE ZONING DISTRICT, UM, WITH LARGER SETBACKS, FOR LARGER PROPERTIES.
AND THEN SOME LOCALITIES HAD SPECIFIC, UH, SETBACKS FOR POOLS, AND THEY GENERALLY RANGED IN ABOUT THE 15 TO TWENTY-FIVE FEET RANGE.
UM, SO WE WENT WITH THE LESSER AMOUNT.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW, WE ARE MUCH CLOSER TO HAVE A SHORTER SETBACK THAN WHAT YOU SEE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY FIVE FEET, UM, BUT, BUT IT RANGES.
SO, BUT WE'RE NOT THE ONLY LOCALITY WITH FIVE FEET.
UH, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME IN HENRICO OR A SMALLEST THREE FEET, SOME LOCALITIES, YOU KNOW, ARE THREE FEET.
SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON EVERY LOCALITY.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, WE'LL MOVE ON.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, I'LL JUST, I MEAN, MR. SMITH, HOW YOU KIND OF EXPRESSED YOUR RETICENCE WITH THIS.
I WILL SAY THAT I THINK, UM, I SUPPORT THIS, BUT I WOULD WANT IT TO GO BACK,
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UM, TO BE REVISED, TO DEAL WITH ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS THAT HAVE LARGER FLAT SIZES THAT DON'T, DON'T WANT TO PUT THIS BURDEN ON ZONING CLASSIFICATION, WHERE PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO EXPECT THINGS TO BE CLOSER BECAUSE THEIR LOT SIZES ARE MUCH SMALLER.THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE, BUT THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM ANY BOARD MEMBER THAT MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE, UM, DENY THE, THE, UM, WHAT DID HE CALLED? CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO REGARDING THE SWIMMING POOLS AND REFERRING IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO WHAT YOU SAID DECLINED? I GUESS THE IDEA IS TO NOT REFER IT AND TO LET THIS, LET THIS GO AS NOT REFERRED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ORDINANCE UNCHANGED.
THAT'S THE MOTION IN THE SECOND.
MISS LAST GULLET, I GUESS VOTE.
JUST TO CLARIFY YESTERDAY IS NOT SENDING IT ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE.
CAN YOU CAN, YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST YOUR OWN SECOND.
YOU, CAN YOU GET SOME FUNNY LOOKS ABOUT YOU? MY ANSWER IS YES.
MR. YOUNG, IF EVERYBODY'S SURE MR. SHARP SUPERVISOR, SIR.
SO WE ARE DONE WITH THE CONSENT.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT MOTION PASSES, BUT THE, WE ARE NOT REFERRING THAT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO NOW ON TO MS. MR. CHAIR, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, UM, IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME INTEREST IN DIRECTING STAFF TO, TO BRING SOMETHING ELSE BACK.
UM, I DIDN'T HEAR, I DON'T THINK THE MOTION THAT WASN'T MINE.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF, UH, AT THIS POINT OR AT SOME FUTURE POINT MIGHT WANT MY DIRECT STAFF TO BRING SOMETHING ELSE BACK.
LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IF WE WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER RUN AT IT, BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE NAZISM.
NO, WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO DO THAT YET.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
UM, SO, UH, MR. YOUNG WANT TO, OH YEAH, IT HAS BEEN AWHILE, SO YEAH, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK BEFORE WE GET INTO THE NEW BUSINESS.
UH, LET'S TRY TO GET BACK HERE, LIKE NO LAYER THREE 30, PLEASE.
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RIGHT.THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING BACK AND WE WILL MOVE INTO FLIP MY PAGE HERE.
IF FOLKS ARE READY, WE'LL START ON.
THE FIRST ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS
[XIII. New Business]
FOR THE AFTERNOON SESSION IS THE PRESENTATION OF THE[1. 4003: Presentation of Goochland County Housing Study]
STUDY.THANK YOU HIGHER AGAIN, EVERYBODY.
UM, I WANT TO JUST TO, UH, INTRODUCE THE STUDY AND THEN I'M GOING TO LET ERICA SPEAK BECAUSE SHE'S THE EXPERT HERE.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY IN 2019 BC THAT'S BEFORE COVID JOHN DESKY CAME TO GOOCHLAND CARES AND WITH AN IDEA OF GETTING TOGETHER A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COUNTY TO LOOK AT THE HOUSING SITUATION IN THE COUNTY, WE KNEW FROM SEEING OUR CLIENTS THAT FINDING HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO MOVE PEOPLE INTO IS PROBABLY ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGES.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT WHEN WE GO OUT FOR THE CRITICAL HOME REPAIR VISITS, THAT A LOT OF THESE HOUSES ARE JUST SUBSTANDARD.
I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE CAN EVEN LIVE IN THEM.
SO WE, UM, WE WERE READY AND WE GOT TOGETHER A GROUP OF PEOPLE, UM, FROM COUNTY GOVERNMENT, FROM CHURCHES, FROM CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS, FROM PLAN RVA, AND, UM, SAT DOWN TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE COULD APPROACH THIS.
AND WE WERE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT FINDING DATA, BUT WHAT WE REALIZED WAS WE COULDN'T MIND IT VERY DEEPLY, AND WE COULDN'T TELL THE STORY IN A REALLY COMPELLING WAY.
SO WE, UM, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO GET A GRANT AND WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE HDA,
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UM, ADVISORS TO, UM, HELP US WITH THIS.SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO TURN THIS OVER TO THEM.
SHE IS, UM, UH, HAS, UH, AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND IN NONPROFIT MANAGEMENT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ORGANIZING FOR ABOUT THE LAST 18 YEARS.
SHE FOCUSES ON SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE AND HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN DEVELOPING OVER 25,000, UM, HOUSING UNITS OVER 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND HAS A BACHELOR'S IN ECONOMICS AND A BACHELOR'S IN URBAN PLANNING FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN AND A MBA FROM MIT.
SO SHE'S WELL QUALIFIED AND, UM, SH UH, LET HER INTRODUCE HER TEAM.
SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE HERE AND BEFORE SHE GOES, I WANT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MEMBERS OF OUR COMMITTEE TO STAND UP.
CAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE QUITE A FEW HERE.
AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK AND THEIR PATIENTS AND THEIR INPUT, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY, UM, A GROUP EFFORT WITH LOTS OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND OPINIONS AND EXPERIENCES, AND IT REALLY MADE THE, UM, STUDY VERY, VERY RICH.
UH, AS SALLY SAID, I'M A PRESIDENT OF HG ADVISORS AND IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS TOPIC THAT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART AND HAS ALLOWED ME THE OPPORTUNITY OVER THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS TO REALLY GET TO KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY HERE AND IN PARTICULAR HOUSING MARKET.
AND THE THING THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UH, BEFORE THE PRESENTATION IS JUST TO SAY, UM, THIS IS A REALLY BROAD COALITION THAT CAME TOGETHER AND APPROACHED US ABOUT DOING THIS WORK.
UM, AND THAT ONE OF THE KEY PIECES OF THE WORK WAS FOR US TO CONDUCT A COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT WE WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND A NUMBER OF OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS TO, TO OUTREACH TO.
AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING OVER 660 RESPONSES TO THAT COMMUNITY SURVEY.
AND THEY ARE STATISTICALLY REPRESENTATIVE ON A NUMBER OF DEMOGRAPHIC LEVELS IN TERMS OF INCOME, AGE, FAMILY TYPE AND SO FORTH REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GOOCHLAND COMMUNITY AT LARGE AND 65% OF THOSE RESPONDENTS STATED, UH, THAT IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION, A QUESTION THAT IT WAS EITHER DIFFICULT OR VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND GOOD QUALITY, REASONABLY PRICED A HOME IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
SO, UH, HERE'S A LIST, UM, IN OUR PRESENTATION OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE THAT WE SERVED AND THAT WE'VE MET WITH FOR OVER THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS.
UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT MY PROJECT TEAM, ERIC MAYA AND WHITNEY BROWN ARE WITH ME TODAY.
THEY ARE, UM, FELLOW, UH, COLLEAGUES OF MINE AT HD ADVISORS.
AND WE ARE AN EIGHT PERSON CONSULTING FIRM BASED IN RICHMOND THAT REALLY FOCUSES ON HOUSING, HOUSING POLICY AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS MAP HERE SHOWS YOU SOME OF OUR RECENT STUDIES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THE STUDY THAT WE CONDUCTED HERE IN GOOCHLAND.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE RECENTLY COMPLETED A STUDY IN THE ENCOMPASS FARM BILL IN PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY.
THAT REALLY WAS ASKING VERY MUCH THE SAME QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE STATE OF OUR HOUSING MARKET TODAY? WHO IS IT SERVING? WHO IS IT NOT SERVING, WHO IS COMING TO THIS COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE? HOW WILL THE HOUSING MARKET SERVE THEM? UM, AND WHAT CAN WE DO IF THERE ARE ANY GAPS BETWEEN THE HOUSING MARKET AND THE POPULATION THAT EXISTS IN OUR COMMUNITY? SO WE ARE, UH, UH, AFFIRM THAT REALLY APPROACHES THIS WORK THROUGH A VERY ANALYTICAL LENS.
I'M LOOKING AT HARD DATA, LOOKING AT QUALITATIVE DATA, TAKING IN THAT COMMUNITY SURVEY, THAT COMMUNITY INPUT TO REALLY DEEPLY UNDERSTAND THE JURISDICTIONS AND WHERE WE WORK.
UM, AND WE REALLY TRY TO MARRY POLICY WITH PRACTICE AND THAT'S BECAUSE, UH, THE PARTNERS IN MY FIRM MYSELF INCLUDED HAVE EXTENSIVE DECADES OF EXPERIENCE IN REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT TAKES TO DO REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
WE UNDERSTAND THE COST OF REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, AND WE UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRAINTS AND THAT'S REALLY HOW WE APPROACH THESE PROJECTS IS UNDERSTANDING THE REALITIES OF THE MARKET, UM, AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO, TO, UH, MAKE HOUSING AND A COMMUNITY SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE POPULATION IN THAT COMMUNITY.
UM, WE'VE CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF THESE STUDIES AROUND THE STATE.
UM, AND TODAY WE HAVE, UH, THE, THE DRAFT REPORT THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING FOR YOU TODAY.
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OF THIS PRESENTATION IS TO ALLOW YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK US QUESTIONS, AND THEN OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK.IT WAS THE DECISION OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE TO NOT MAKE THIS A FINAL REPORT UPON PRESENTATION TO YOU.
IT'S STILL A DRAFT REPORT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL INTERESTED IN GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK AND MAKING CHANGES IN IMPROVING THIS STUDY SO THAT IT CAN BE A WORKING DOCUMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO THIS IS REALLY THE START OF THAT 30 DAY PERIOD, WHERE WE'LL ULTIMATELY BE ABLE TO FINALIZE THIS REPORT AND MOVE, UH, TOWARDS IMPLEMENTATION.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, THIS REPORT TOOK ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS TO COMPLETE, AND IT PROVIDES AN ASSESSMENT OF THE HOUSING MARKET.
WE LOOK AT A NUMBER OF DATA SETS.
WE LOOK AT US CENSUS DATA, AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, DATA, UVA, WELDON COOPER'S, UH, DATA AROUND POPULATION, UM, AND DEMOGRAPHIC PROJECTIONS INTO THE FUTURE VIRGINIA EMPLOYMENT CONDITIONS, UH, COMMISSION DATA AROUND, UH, JOBS, UM, AND JOB TRENDS INTO THE FUTURE.
UH, THE USA TODAY, DIVERSITY INDEX, HUD COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY DATA KNOWN AS CHAZ DATA, UM, AND CENTRAL VIRGINIA REALTORS DATA.
UM, WE ALSO HAD A VERY COLLABORATIVE, UM, EXPERIENCE WITH THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND WERE ABLE TO ACCESS GREAT ASSESSMENT DATA, UM, AND ZONING DATA AS WELL.
WE COULD SUPPLEMENT THAT ANALYSIS WITH FOCUS GROUPS, ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS AT A COMMUNITY SURVEY.
SO WE HAD FOCUS GROUPS WITH REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS, FOCUS GROUPS WITH COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, UH, FOCUS GROUPS WITH, UH, COUNTY OFFICIALS, UH, EMPLOYERS IN THE REGION, WHICH INCLUDED A LOT OF COUNTY OFFICIALS, BUT ALSO INCLUDED PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE GOT OVER 660 RESPONSES TO THAT COMMUNITY SURVEY AND FEEL THAT THAT IS STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE POPULATION IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
AND WE WORKED OVER THAT SEVEN MONTHS, UH, A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE TO GUIDE, UH, THE ULTIMATE REPORT, UM, AND THE, AND THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE REPORT AND THE CONCLUSIONS IN THE REPORT.
SO THE REPORT ENDS WITH A SERIES OF RECOMMENDED PATIENTS.
AND THE PRIMARY YEAH, MESSAGE I WANT TO CONVEY TODAY IS THAT THROUGH ALL OF THAT DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE HOUSING MARKET, YOU HAVE AN INCREDIBLE HOUSING MARKET HERE THAT IS REALLY WORKING RIGHT OUT A NUMBER OF LEVELS.
AND WE'LL TALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE HIGHLIGHTS OF HOW THE HOUSING MARKET IS WORKING.
IT'S A VERY FUNCTIONING COMMUNITY ON A, ON A, ON A VARIETY OF, UH, IN A VARIETY OF METRICS, BUT I'M FOCUSED ON THE HOUSING MARKET.
AND CERTAINLY IN THE HOUSING MARKET, IT'S A FUNCTIONING HIGH-QUALITY HIGH-PERFORMING HOUSING MARKET.
UM, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN GROUPS OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF ITS SUCCESS AND BECAUSE OF THE GEOGRAPHY AND THE NATURE OF GOOCHLAND AND HOW GOOCHLAND IS GROWING AND HOW LAND USES A CONTROLLED HERE, THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT ARE PRICED OUT OF, UH, GOOCHLAND COUNTY THAT THAT COSTS HAVE RISEN.
AND SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS SORT OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE STUDY, IN MY OPINION, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT ABOUT WHOLESALE CHANGING THE HOUSING MARKET HERE BECAUSE SO MUCH IS WORKING SO WELL.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS REALLY FOCUS ON BEST PRACTICES FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS, GENERALLY IN VIRGINIA, GENERALLY ALSO EXPERIENCING SIMILAR CONDITIONS THAT YOU'RE EXPERIENCING HERE.
AND THAT ARE A WAY TO INTRODUCE INDIVIDUAL NEW PROJECTS OR DEVELOPMENTS INTO GOOCHLAND THAT CAN IMPROVE THAT RANGE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVED BY THE HOUSING MARKET.
AND SO MOST OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE REALLY ABOUT, UM, ON THE MARGINS, EXPANDING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP OR HIGH QUALITY RENTAL HOUSING FOR A LARGER RANGE OF GOODS RESIDENTS.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON NEXT TO A SIDE THAT FOCUSES ON THE STRENGTHS OF GOOCHLAND COUNTIES, UM, HOUSING MARKET, AS WE IDENTIFIED THEM, HOME PRICES ARE VERY STRONG.
THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IN THE COUNTY IS HIGH AND MEDIAN SALES PRICES ARE HIGH.
UM, THAT MEDIAN, THAT SALES PRICE IS A MEDIAN SALES PRICE.
SO IT'S ADJUSTING FOR THOSE HOMES THAT ARE ON THE HIGH END AND REALLY SHOWING YOU WHAT THAT HOME RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF WHEN YOU LINE UP ALL THE HOMES AVAILABLE FOR SALE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY
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OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO, WHAT THAT MIDDLE HOME PRICE, UM, IS.UM, AND THE PRICES HERE ARE REALLY MORE COMPARABLE TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA MARKETS IN THE STUDY.
YOU CAN SEE COMPARISON OF THE HOME PRICES IN GOOCHLAND COMPARED TO SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS VERSUS NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
AND THIS MARKET IS REALLY OPERATING AT THAT NORTHERN VIRGINIA SORT OF A LEVEL.
UH, THAT'S NOT UNIQUE TO GREENVILLE COUNTY.
IF YOU READ THE PAPER, YOU SEE THAT'S A PHENOMENON THAT'S REALLY HAPPENING EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
UM, THERE'S VERY STRONG DEMAND.
THAT'S DRIVEN BY JOB GROWTH AND JOB GROWTH IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, PARTICULARLY IN THE SECTORS OF HEALTHCARE, COMPUTER TECHNICAL COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL SERVICES IS VERY STRONG AS I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO NEW SENIOR HOUSEHOLDS, RIGHT? THIS, THE, THE, THE GROWTH OF NEW SENIOR HOUSEHOLDS IS VERY SIGNIFICANT IN GOOCHLAND, MORE SIGNIFICANT HERE THAN, UH, IN SURROUNDING DISTRICTS.
UM, AND ANOTHER STRENGTH OF THE GOOGLE HOUSING MARKET IS HOW THE GROWTH HAS BEEN MANAGED.
IT'S CLEAR THAT THROUGH YOUR ZONING, THROUGH YOUR PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, YOU'RE MANAGING YOUR GROWTH.
YOU HAVE INTENTIONALITY AROUND WHERE YOU CHOOSE TO CITE GROWTH, HOW INFRASTRUCTURE IS DEVELOPED, WHERE NEW DEVELOPMENTS ARE TARGETED, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS SORT OF SUPREME TENSION HERE WHERE THE THING THAT EVERYONE LOVES ABOUT GOOCHLAND IS ITS RURAL, QUIET, NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
AND YET THAT'S WHAT ATTRACTS EVERYONE HERE, RIGHT? AND SO HOW DO YOU BALANCE, UM, THAT WITH, WITH NEW POPULATION AND NEW PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING INTO GOOCHLAND ALL THE TIME, AND YOU'VE REALLY DONE THAT THROUGH, UH, ZONING AND YOUR, YOUR POLICIES AROUND NEW DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, ON AVERAGE YOU HAVE 185 NEW HOMES BEING BUILT IN THE COUNTY EVERY YEAR FROM 2000 TO 2019.
UM, AND WHILE YOU STILL AREN'T AT YOUR PRE 2008 LEVELS OF NEW PERMITS, THERE'S BEEN A STEADY INCREASE IN RECENT YEARS.
AND THIS MANAGED GROWTH INDICATES THAT YOU'RE REALLY ACHIEVING THAT BALANCING ACT.
I'M SURE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH DEBATED IN THIS COUNTY ABOUT WHETHER YOU ARE ACHIEVING A BALANCING ACT OR NOT, BUT I WILL GIVE YOU SOME PROMPTS FROM AN OUTSIDER THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY, UM, UH, IT DEFINITELY APPEARS, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT IS SUCCEEDING.
SO THE LAST STRENGTH I'LL MENTIONED IS THAT THERE ARE MORE DIVERSE HOUSING OPTIONS HERE.
MORE DIVERSE HOUSING OPTIONS HAVE ARISEN OVER TIME.
UM, FROM 2010 TO 2008, THE AMOUNT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES USED AS RENTALS TRIPLED FROM 388 UNITS TO OVER A THOUSAND UNITS FROM 2010 TO 2018.
UM, AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE FOCUSED ON SENIORS ARE ALSO RISING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, MAPS THAT, UH, THE COUNTY PUBLISHES 81% OF THE NEW HOUSING UNITS INCLUDED IN THE COUNTY'S FUTURE GROWTH MAPS ARE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS TARGETED TOWARDS SENIORS.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE IS THIS, UH, IS, UH, THE CHALLENGES FOR THE HOUSING MARKET, SIMILAR TO ALL VIRTUALLY ALL PLACES IN THE COUNTRY.
UH, THE AVAILABILITY OF STARTER HOMES AND MIDDLE MARKET HOMES HAS SUBSTANTIALLY DECREASED.
THESE ARE MACRO ECONOMIC FACTORS AT PLAY THAT ARE LARGELY OUT OF CONTROL OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
THEY CONNECT TO CONSTRUCTION PRICES TO LAND PRICES, TO INTEREST RATES AND TO A NUMBER OF OTHER, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT A NATIONAL LEVEL.
UM, OUR SUGGESTIONS, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, ARE ABOUT COMPLIMENTING THESE MARKET CONDITIONS WITH PROGRAMS THAT CAN CAPITALIZE ON THE DEMAND, UM, TO INCREASE THE RANGE OF HOUSING PRICES AVAILABLE IN THE GOOCHLAND MARKET.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE BASED ON SUCCESSFUL, UH, EXAMPLES OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE, THAT ARE OPERATING ELSEWHERE.
53% OF GOOCHLAND RESIDENTS EARN A HUNDRED, HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OR LESS GOOCHLAND HOUSEHOLDS, UH, EARN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OR LESS.
AND YET IT TAKES APPROXIMATELY $106,000 IN INCOME TO AFFORD THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE TODAY.
UM, AND THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE IN 2020 WAS APPROXIMATELY $420,000.
UM, THE 65 AND OVERPOPULATION WILL GO FROM 4,600 PEOPLE IN 2018 TO 8,100 BY 2040 BASED ON UVA'S POPULATION PROJECTIONS.
AND THAT'S A 75% INCREASE IN 2003, NEARLY 20% OF PEOPLE EMPLOYED THE CO
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IN THE COUNTY ALSO RESIDED IN THE COUNTY, BUT BY 2017, THAT PERCENTAGE HAD DECREASED TO ONLY 9% OUT OF THE 13,000 EMPLOYEES, 7% OF CAPITAL ONE EMPLOYEES LIVE IN THE COUNTY.UH, 81% OF EXTREMELY LOW-INCOME RESIDENTS, UM, HAVE TO COMMUTE OUTSIDE THE COUNTY FOR WORK, ADDING SUBSTANTIALLY TO THEIR COST OF LIVING BECAUSE TRANSPORTATION COSTS, UM, ARE QUITE SIGNIFICANT.
UM, THE COST OF MAINTAINING A CAR, UM, CAN BE QUITE SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY FOR A VERY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLD.
SO THE LAST POINT I'LL MAKE IS THAT THROUGH OUR STUDY, WE IDENTIFIED AN UNEVEN DISTRIBUTION OF RESOURCES AND INCOMES ACROSS THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS MEDIAN SALES PRICES, RIGHT? YOU HAVE DIFFERENT AS I CAME TO LEARN, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WITHIN GOOCHLAND COUNTY IN TERMS OF HOUSING MARKETS.
IT'S NOT REALLY A MONOLITHIC HOUSING MARKET.
UM, IT'S NOT REALLY A MONOLITHIC MARKET DEMOGRAPHICALLY IN TERMS OF INCOMES OR HOUSEHOLDS TYPES.
YOU REALLY HAVE THREE, THREE, UH, GEOGRAPHIC REGIONS.
AND, UM, THERE'S A REAL VARIATION IN TERMS OF THE HOUSING MARKET ACROSS EASTERN CENTRAL AND WESTERN GOOCHLAND.
SO THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO FINISH UP WITH ARE TWO SLIDES THAT ARE FOCUSED ON OUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO THIS SLIDE IS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE WE, WE KIND OF COINED QUICK STARTERS.
UM, WE FOCUSED OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE CREATED A MATRIX IN THE REPORT THAT TRIED TO DIVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON SHORT-TERM VERSUS LONG-TERM THOSE THAT REQUIRE NEW FUNDING VERSUS THOSE THAT DO NOT REQUIRE NEW FUNDING.
THOSE THAT REQUIRE UPDATES TO ORDINANCES THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY THE COUNTY VERSUS NOT THOSE THAT WOULD PRESERVE EXISTING HOUSING VERSUS CREATE NEW HOUSING, TO REALLY HELP ALL OF YOU AND THE STEERING COMMITTEE UNDERSTAND HOW THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE A MENU OF OPTIONS, AND YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE BECAUSE THEY SERVE THESE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS AND THEY PLAY THESE DIFFERENT ROLES.
THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE, UM, DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT RANGES.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT NEED HOUSING.
THERE ARE NEW FAMILIES, THERE ARE EXTREMELY LOW INCOME PEOPLE.
THERE'S A WHOLE RANGE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING NEEDS.
SO THERE'S A RANGE OF DIFFERENCE, UH, SOLUTIONS.
AND SO TO GET BACK TO THAT COMMUNITY SURVEY, I WANT TO MENTION THAT 77% OF THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS AGREED WITH THE STATEMENT.
PEOPLE WHO WORK IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
AND THERE ARE MANY PROVEN SOLUTIONS ON THIS LIST THAT ARE BOTH BIG AND SMALL, THE FOUR THAT ARE LISTED HERE, WHICH WE'VE TERMED QUICK STARTERS, UM, RATHER THAN THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS MORE LONG-TERM KIND OF SOLUTIONS ARE EXPANDING THE HOME REPAIR WORK THAT'S CURRENTLY DONE BY GOOCHLAND CARES.
AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF AN EXPANSION OF THAT PROGRAM.
UM, AND AN EXPANSION OF THIS HOME REPAIR WORK IN GENERAL IN THE COUNTY.
AND THAT'S REALLY A PRESERVATION STRATEGY, A STRATEGY OF PRESERVING THE HOUSING AND IMPROVING THE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY RESIDENTS OF GOOCHLAND.
THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION HERE IS AROUND SUPPORTING NEW AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS, WOULD NOT BE A RECOMMENDATION TO DESIGNATE LARGE AREAS OF THE COUNTY TO BE EXCLUSIVELY A PORTABLE RENTAL.
IT WOULD BE TO IDENTIFY A SITE AND A PARTNER AS A STARTING POINT, UH, TO DEVELOP A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS, UH, NOT EXCLUSIVELY MARKET RATE RENTAL HOUSING.
THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION HERE IS, UM, TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, LOOKING AT EXISTING PROGRAMS, AND WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND EXPANDING THOSE EXISTING PROGRAMS TO INCREASE, UH, NEW, AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THE LAST IS ALSO A HOMEOWNERSHIP FOCUSED RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS SUPPORTING A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT OPERATES IN THE REGION AND IS A WAY TO REALLY CREATE PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ESPECIALLY IN MARKETS THAT HAVE RAPID APPRECIATION COUNTY.
SO THE LAST FIVE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ARE LONGER-TERM RECOMMENDATIONS, MORE COORDINATED RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE FIRST ONE IS AGAIN, FOCUSED ON RESIDENTS CURRENTLY LIVING IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, AND IT'S ABOUT EXPANDING THE TAX RELIEF PROGRAM TO ENSURE THAT EVERY RESIDENT WHO QUALIFIES FOR THE PROGRAM IS,
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UH, RECEIVING THE FULL BENEFIT OF THAT PROGRAM TO LOWER THEIR COSTS OF HOUSING.UM, THE SECOND IS LOOKING AT SOME GREAT EXAMPLES OF A SMALL RENTAL PROJECT THAT WOULD, UM, BE AN AFFORDABLE RENTAL PROJECT IN A TINY HOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE THIRD IS, UH, LOOKING AT POTENTIAL EXPANSIONS TO GOOCHLAND COUNTIES, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ORDINANCE, AS A WAY TO INCREASE, UM, AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING.
UM, AND THE FOURTH IS TO LOOK AT AN AFFORDABLE, UH, DWELLING UNIT ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD BE TO FOCUS ON NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE COUNTY AND HAVING THEM INCLUDE A PORTION OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AS, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THE LAST IS TO THINK ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE GAINS AND INNOVATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE MODULAR AND MANUFACTURED HOUSING WORLD.
UM, THIS IS NOT, UH, THE TRAILER PARK DEVELOPMENT STYLE OF THE SIXTIES, SEVENTIES OR EIGHTIES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF INNOVATIONS AROUND, UM, HOUSING TYPES, UM, THAT ARE DRIVING DOWN THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND ALLOWING HOMES TO COME IN AT A LOWER PRICE POINT.
UH, ONE OF THE EXAMPLES WE BRING UP IN THIS STUDY AS A HOME RECENTLY COMPLETED IN RICHMOND THAT WAS PRODUCED OUT OF, UM, SHIPPING CONTAINERS.
UM, AND SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF NEW, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE INDUSTRY AROUND THE COUNTRY IS REALLY FOCUSED ON, RIGHT, IS FIXING THE, UM, EXPANDING OF HOUSING OPTIONS THROUGH AND CONSTRUCTION AND DRIVING DOWN PRICE.
AND SO THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO REALLY BE A COUNTY THAT CAN, UH, BE OPEN TO THOSE IDEAS AND MAYBE FOSTER A PILOT, A PILOT PROJECT THAT, UH, WITH, WITH A PROVEN, UM, A PROVEN TYPE OF THIS HOUSING, UH, TO BRING IT HERE, TO GOOCHLAND.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL FINISH, UM, MY, UH, REMARKS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THEN BE FREE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I WILL JUST END BY REMINDING YOU THAT THESE NEXT 30 DAYS ARE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT AROUND THIS DRAFT.
AT WHICH TIME WE WILL THEN MOVE TO FINALIZING THE REPORT.
AND WE INTEND, UH, THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND TENDS TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH YOU ON CONVERSATIONS, AROUND IMPLEMENTATION OF SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THAT FINAL REPORT AFTER, UH, THAT, UH, FINALIZATION IS COMPLETE.
THANK YOU, MS. SIMS. I IMAGINE YOU'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS NOW, SO THANKS.
THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND AND FIELDING SOME OF THEM WHO WANTS TO START MR. SPOON OUT.
THANK YOU, MS. SIMS. I, I DID WANT TO JUST MENTION, UM, FOR TRANSPARENCY SAKE, AS THE BOARD KNOWS MOST OF YOU KNOW, THAT I WAS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE STEERING COMMITTEE I GOT ON, UM, PRIOR TO BEING ELECTED TO OFFICE, BUT WHEN IT GOT TO THE REPORTS COMING BACK AND THE PRESENTATION COMING TO THE BOARD, I DIDN'T KIND OF FELT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE HAVING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT METAPHOR YOU WANT TO USE, BUT IT JUST DIDN'T FEEL APPROPRIATE TO BE ON, BUT REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH THE GROUP AND LISTENING TO ALL OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S A LOT MORE COMPLEX PROBLEM THAN I EVEN UNDERSTOOD GOING INTO IT THIS END.
WELL, UM, I'M GONNA JUST ASK A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, I, AS I TOLD YOU, I LOOKED AT YOUR REPORT.
I EVEN TRIED TO PULL UP SOME OF THE MATERIAL IN THE FOOTNOTES.
IT'S LIKE MR. SPRINGER SAID IT'S IT'S COMPLEX.
UM, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, COULD YOU GO TO YOUR SLIDE SIX OR SEVEN? SEVEN, SEVEN, NO, GO.
THAT'S IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S EIGHT.
YOU LANDED ON 800 NUMBER SEVEN.
YOU, YOU IDENTIFIED THEM AS QUICK STARTERS.
UM, AND YOU PUT SOME GOOD INFORMATION.
LET'S GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY.
YOU PUT, UH, WELL, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.
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IN THE REPORT, STARTING WITH RECOMMENDATION WINE, EXPAND HOME REPAIR WORK, BUT I DIDN'T LOOK, YES.THEY SYNC UP WITH YOU, BUT ARE THEY IN THE PRIORITY? ARE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ONE IN A PRIORITY THAT YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THEY ARE NOT? AND THE WAY THEY ARE LAID OUT IN THIS PRESENTATION IS DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY THEY'RE LAID OUT IN THE, UM, REPORT.
IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE, UM, 40, WELL, IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE SIX OF THE REPORT, YOU WILL SEE THIS MATRIX THAT WE HAVE THAT DOES TRY TO BREAK THEM OUT INTO THESE FOUR.
UM, AND THEN THE REMAINING, UM, FIVE, UM, THE SORT OF SHORT-TERM VERSUS LONG-TERM, UM, AND THEN GIVES YOU THIS MATRIX INFORMATION AROUND IMPACT VERSUS EFFORT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT AS A WAY TO HELP YOU EVALUATE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE REQUIRE LOCAL FUNDING, SOME OF THESE REQUIRE ORDINANCE CHANGES TO ORDINANCES.
SO THIS IS A METHOD FOR YOU TO SEE THE MENU, SEE WHAT THE TRADE-OFFS ARE BETWEEN THESE, UM, AND, UH, MAKE DECISIONS AROUND, PRIORITIZING THEM YOURSELF.
SO LET'S EXPAND HOME REPAIR WORK, AND YOU PUT SOME INFORMATION THAT, UM, GOOCHLAND CARES SPENDS 120,000 A YEAR UP TO $7,000 A HOME AND HELPED ABOUT 50 HOMES.
UM, I MEAN, I MEAN, JUST, I'M GONNA JUST KIND OF COMMENT ON SOME THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME.
UM, THE LAST STEPS TO IMPLEMENT ON EXPANDING HOME REPAIR WORK.
UM, I MEAN, THAT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THAT RECOMMENDATION IS SOMETHING OR OBVIOUSLY ALREADY INVOLVED IN AND THAT'S THAT I DON'T, I MEAN, THAT'S KEEPING PEOPLE IN THEIR HOME OR MAKING THEIR HOME SAFER.
UH, I THINK WHEN WE GO TO THE OTHER END OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, IT'S REALLY A LEAP, RIGHT.
BUT NUMBER SIX, RECOGNIZE THAT THIS PROGRAM DOES NOT SERVE LOW INCOME RENTERS OR HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE INSIGNIFICANT DEFAULT WITH THEIR MORTGAGE LENDER OR THEIR REAL ESTATE TAXES, SEPARATE PROGRAMS WOULD HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED TO ADDRESS THESE CATEGORIES OF HOUSEHOLDS IN NEEDS.
DO YOU, ANY OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS SEEK TO ADDRESS THAT OTHER CATEGORY OF FOLKS IN NEED THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT? AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST IN DEFAULT, RIGHT.
AND I WOULD POINT TO THE LOW-INCOME RENTER PIECE OF THAT STATEMENT EVEN MORE THAN I WOULD, THE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE IN DEFAULT.
AND THE REASON I W I WOULD POINT TO THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY FOR US TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE, HOW MANY HOMEOWNERS ARE IN DEFAULT WITH THEIR MORTGAGES.
BUT A LOT OF IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY GOOCHLAND CARES RATHER WAS ABLE TO GIVE US, I DON'T HAVE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE REPORT, BUT WE COULD PROVIDE IT TO YOU LATER.
THEY WERE ABLE TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF DATA ON THE FEW PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE SEEN COME AND APPLY FOR THEIR PROGRAM AND BE INELIGIBLE BASED ON THAT.
BUT WHAT WE DO HAVE DATA ON IS THE NUMBER OF RENTERS IN THE COUNTY.
AND, UH, IT'S LIKELY THAT THIS, UH, NUMBER OF RENTERS THAT ARE IN REALLY SUBSTANDARD HOUSING IS A HIGHER NUMBER.
AND WE DID EXPLORE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD THAT WOULD REALLY BE TARGETED TO LANDLORDS IN THAT INSTANCE, UH, TO GETTING TO IMPROVED HOUSING REPAIRS.
THAT'S NOT IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, AND THAT'S NOT ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED, UM, AND, AND NOT VERY TYPICAL, UH, TYPE OF PROGRAM.
I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT, BUT YOU SAY IT'S NOT TYPICAL, I GUESS MAYBE THAT MAKES ME THINK OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, WHAT ARE THE MOST TYPICAL? SO THIS HOME REPAIR PROGRAM THAT IS FOR HOMEOWNERS.
UM, EVERY ONE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, LIKE I'VE SAID IS BASED ON PROVEN EXAMPLES.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHY, UM, WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH LANDLORDS THAT ARE RENTING TO LOW-INCOME RENTERS, A LOT OF LARGE CITIES HAVE PROGRAMS WHERE THEY WILL INCENTIVIZE THOSE LANDLORDS THROUGH EITHER VERY LOW INTEREST LOANS OR GRANTS TO MAKE REPAIRS.
THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT THEY THEN ALSO NEED TO REQUIRE THAT LANDLORD TO MAINTAIN THE UNIT AT THAT AFFORDABLE RENT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO, INSENT THE LANDLORD TO IMPROVE THE UNIT TO SUCH A DEGREE THAT THEY CAN NOW RENT IT FOR SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.
AND THEY DISPLACED THAT LOW-INCOME RENTER.
AND SO IT HAS TO BE THAT CARROT AND STICK EXCHANGE.
SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY FOR BIG JURISDICTIONS, I WOULD THINK OF THE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE LENDING, I DON'T THINK, OR, BUT, BUT DOESN'T VHDA
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DOES VHDA HAVE ANY PROGRAMS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING DOES.SO, UH, IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN FOCUSING ON LOW-INCOME RENTERS, UM, OF A GREAT VHDA PROGRAM WOULD BE TO IDENTIFY AN INDIVIDUAL LANDLORD AND INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT IS A PROBLEM DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY AND TO APPROACH THAT LANDLORD, AND EITHER WORK WITH THAT LANDLORD AND VHDA, OR WORK WITH A NONPROFIT THAT LANDLORD AND VHDA TO, UH, GET LOW INTEREST LOANS OR GRANTS FROM VHDA, UM, TO, TO MAKE REPAIRS.
AND I'VE WORKED ON PROJECTS IN VERY RURAL, LIKE, UH, THE EASTERN SHORE WHERE THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
SO RECOMMENDATION TO EXPAND TAX RELIEF PROGRAM IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE EXPAND IT TO THE POINT THAT, I MEAN, WE, WE, WE DO SOME TAX BREAKS FOR AGE AND VETERANS NOW, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE A TAX REBATE.
I MEAN, A TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAM THAT WOULD JUST, UM, HOLD IT IN ARREARS UNTIL THE HOME IS SOLD.
NO, UM, THAT IS A PROGRAM THAT IS USED IN A FEW JURISDICTIONS.
UM, BUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS, UM, UH, FOR THE TAX RELIEF PROGRAM ARE REALLY ABOUT MAXIMIZING OUTREACH.
SO THE EXISTING PROGRAM, MAKING SURE THAT EVERY SINGLE HOUSEHOLD THAT'S ELIGIBLE APPLIES ASSISTING THEM IN APPLYING, MAKING SURE THAT NO ONE SORT OF FALLS THROUGH THE CRACKS AND THAT THEY DO SO ANNUALLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO READ UP ANNUALLY.
IT WOULD ALSO BE TO EXPAND THE ANNUAL CAP ON THE TAX CREDIT ITSELF.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST IS TO ADVOCATE AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR THE LAW ITSELF TO INCLUDE A BROADER RANGE OF HOUSEHOLDS, INCLUDING RENTER HOUSEHOLDS THAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE BECAUSE BY AND LARGE, YOU'RE CONSTRAINED BY THE STATE ENABLING LEGISLATION IN TERMS OF HOW YOU CAN STRUCTURE THIS.
BUT THAT'S ONE THING I WANTED TO GET TO, UM, QUICKLY, IT'S JUST IF, IF YOUR GROUP IS GOING TO BE ADVOCATING THAT, I MEAN, CAUSE WE WERE GOING TO MEET WITH OUR LEGISLATORS, HOPEFULLY THIS SUMMER.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF, IF YOUR GROUP WANTED US TO TAKE SOME POSITIONS, UM, TO, TO THE STATES AND I'M GOING TO COVER THAT, BUT HERE'S ONE THAT YOU SAY, UH, ADVOCATE FOR STATE LAWS TO ALLOW US BASICALLY TO PROVIDE LANDLORDS THAT ARE RENTING TO LOW INCOME FOLKS, SOME SORT OF TAX BREAK TO LANDLORDS PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE RENTING TO QUALIFYING HOUSEHOLDS.
IS THAT, IS THAT THE GIST OF IT? RIGHT.
AND I WOULD TIE THAT WITH IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S GENERALLY HOW THAT OKAY.
HAS THAT, HAS ANYBODY TRIED TO CARRY THAT LEGISLATION THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF IN VIRGINIA AND RECENTLY, OR THAT I'M AWARE OF? UM, I'VE GOT, I'M NOT GONNA TAKE MUCH LONGER HERE, BUT, AND MAYBE WE'LL FOLLOW UP OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING.
UM, I'M A LITTLE PUZZLED THAT SUPPORT A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST IS IN YOUR QUICKSTARTER THAT I, IS THAT, IS THAT THE LAND BANK ENTITIES ACT? NO, UM, IT, IT IS A SEPARATE FROM LAND BANKS.
UM, BUT VERY COMMONLY CONFUSED SINCE, UH, THEY SOUND ALMOST EXACTLY ALIKE.
SO THE REASON WHY THIS IS A QUICK STARTER IS THAT THE REGION HAS AN EXISTING COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.
I'M ACTUALLY THE CEO OF THAT COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.
SO IT'S A VERY QUICK STARTER CAUSE I'M RIGHT HERE AND I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU.
UM, SO THE COMMUNITY LAND HAS, UH, 52 HOMES IN THE LAND TRUST, UH, IN HENRICO CHESTERFIELD AND THE CITY OF RICHMOND.
AND SO WE HAVE AN OPERATING PROGRAM, UM, THAT WE'RE DOING.
SO I THINK OF THE LAND BANK, YOU GET THEM FROM LIKE TAX.
SO THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST GETS THE HOMES, JUST THE SAME AS HABITAT FOR HUMANITY DOES.
SO THERE'S STILL THOSE HURDLES, THE COST OF LAND, THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, THE NEED TO WRITE DOWN THAT SALES PRICE SO THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE TO THAT HOMEOWNER THE EXACT SAME SETUP FOR COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T IMPROVE THAT THOSE CONDITIONS IN ANY WAY, BUT WE, WE GET A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING TO DO THIS WORK AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED PROPERTIES IN THE PIPELINE.
WELL, IF I FOLLOW UP ON THAT ONE THEN, CAUSE THAT, THAT DID THROW ME OFF.
I THOUGHT, AND I'VE, I THINK DANVILLE AND THE CITY OF RICHMOND ARE DOING THE LAND BANKS.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THEM.
I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THEY SEE HOW THEY GO BEFORE WE JUMP IN AND SEE IF THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE SUSTAINABLE.
AND LAND BANKS VERY DIFFERENT FROM LAND TRUST LAND BANKS ARE REALLY A WAY TO TAKE TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTIES AND MOVE THEM BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE USE WHETHER IT'S HOUSING OR ANOTHER USE.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S A SUPER RELEVANT TOOL
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FOR GOOCHLAND COUNTY.YOU DID DEVELOP A TINY COTTAGE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR, UM, WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THE BLUE GRASS TRAILER? NO, BUT I VISITED, I TOOK THAT PICTURE.
THE LOCAL VETERINARIAN DEVELOPED THIS PROJECT, NOT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING EXPERT, NOT A NONPROFIT, A GUY WHO SAW THESE DOWN.
I'M NEVER, I NEVER REMEMBER WHERE HE WENT TO COLLEGE, SAW SOMETHING, WENT TO AUBURN.
HE WENT TO OFFER, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU KNOW THAT, BUT I KNOW YOU READ THE FOOTNOTES
HE RENTS THESE, I THINK I HAVE THE RENT IN HERE 850 $900 A MONTH.
HE DID IT WITHOUT ANY SUBSIDY.
IT HAS BEEN, BUT IT'S ALSO SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT THAT HAS 40 UNITS.
I BELIEVE THIS IS ONLY NINE COTTAGES AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS COST WAS, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY IMAGINE IT WAS UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND MAYBE BECAUSE I HAVE A BUNCH OF WINDOWS OPEN WHERE I WAS LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT YEAH, THAT WAS ANOTHER PROJECT IN HERE.
YEAH, THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN SO, BUT, BUT BLUEGRASS TAILS IS AN EXAMPLE THAT WE COULD, UM, WE COULD LOOK AT IT OF HIGH DENSITY, RIGHT.
THESE ARE ALL ONE BEDROOM COTTAGES, UH, 720 SQUARE FEET, UM, MOTTO, YOU KNOW, AND HE THEY'RE SERVING LONGWOOD, UH, UNIVERSITY FACULTY, UM, NURSES AT THE LOCAL, UH, HOSPITALS, ET CETERA.
UM, THERE'S MORE, MAYBE WE'LL FOLLOW UP, BUT INCLUSIVE ZONING, YOU MENTIONED IT IN YOUR REPORT.
IS THAT AN ITEM THAT YOU WOULD, YOUR GROUP WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO, UM, ADVOCATE FOR AT THE STATE LEGISLATION? AND IF SO, WHY? SO INCLUSIONARY ZONING IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T FIT INTO THE MORE, LET, LET ME, LET ME DO NORTHERN VIRGINIA HAS MANDATORY RIGHT? WHEN I LOOKED AT IT AND I DON'T, IT'S BEEN LIKE A YEAR OR MORE, I DON'T KNOW WHY ANY VOLUNTARY JURISDICTION WOULD EMBRACE US.
AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT IT THAT THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ARE ANY OF THE JURISDICTIONS OUTSIDE OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA STARTING TO USE INCLUSIONARY ZONING? WELL, THERE ARE VOLUNTARY JURISDICTIONS THAT USE IT AND YOU ARE RIGHT.
THAT, THAT HAS NOT BEEN USED TO GREAT SUCCESS.
BUT I THINK THAT IT'S WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, IS THAT GOOCHLAND COUNTY EXPLORE THE USE OF THE EXISTING ALLOWED VOLUNTARY INCLUSIONARY PROGRAM, NOT TO REQUEST TO BE INCLUDED IN WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE MANDATORY IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, BUT TO EXPLORE HOW, AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT SITTING DOWN, LOOKING AT WHAT DEVELOPMENTS ARE COMING IN FOR PLANNED USE DEVELOPMENT AND TALKING TO DEVELOPERS, HAVING AN OPEN CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU? YOU'RE DEVELOPING THIS 200 UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU TO HAVE A 10% OF THESE UNITS? 5% OF THESE UNITS COME IN AT A DIFFERENT PRICE POINT? WHAT WOULD THAT PRICE POINT BE AND WHAT WOULD IT TAKE AND REALLY TRYING TO LOOK AT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, HOW YOU COULD, UH, BRIDGE THAT GAP.
SO, UM, I'M JUMPING AROUND A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT I GOT AN EMAIL FROM A PERSON.
UM, I THINK SPOUSE TEACHES AS WELL IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM.
UM, AND THAT THE LETTER WAS, OR THE EMAIL WAS AN OPPOSITION TO A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, UM, IN, IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA AND PERSON EXPRESS HIS CONCERNS.
BUT, AND, AND THERE'S A TIE INTO THIS.
I APPRECIATE YOU EARLY IN YOUR PRESENTATION, ACKNOWLEDGING THE MACRO ECONOMIC FACTORS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
AND, UM, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS GOING ON, BUT THIS, THIS KIND OF MAKES MY POINT.
THAT KIND OF MAKES ME THINK IT'S, IT'S A REALLY TALL ORDER, ALL OF THIS STUFF.
BUT, UM, HE SAID FOCUS ON STARTERS HOMES.
DON'T, DON'T BUILD THESE BIG HOMES, ET CETERA.
WHEN QUOTE, WHEN I MOVED HERE IN 2013, IT WAS HARD TO FIND A HOME.
MY WIFE AND I COULD AFFORD ON TWO TEACHER'S SALARIES, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BUY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE RECESSION AND SELL AT THE PEAK OF THE ECONOMY, THE HOME WE PAID 178,000 FOR IN 2013, WE COULD BARELY AFFORD NOW.
ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION SEEMS TO BE 450 AND ABOVE.
IT'S HARD TO AFFORD THAT WHEN YOU MAKE X AS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE.
AND I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD THAT, THAT STARTED HOME PROJECTS AND PULLED UP AT LOWE'S AND SAW THE PRICE OF A TWO BY FOUR.
AND SO THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO WAIT.
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I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE FIGHTING THE TIDE RIGHT NOW.IF WE, IF WE, IF I LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE, I MEAN, I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY UNEQUAL HOUSING MARKET.
AND I DON'T, I MEAN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DATA HERE THAT I'M GOING TO DIG INTO SOME MORE ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, BUT I'M A LAWYER AND I HAVE CLIENTS THAT ARE SELLING THEIR PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE AFRAID CAPITAL GAINS TAXES ARE GOING TO GO UP.
SO THEY'RE GETTING RID OF THEIR RENTALS AND THEY'RE SELLING IT FOR LIKE A 1400 SQUARE FOOT RANCHER IN THE WEST END OF THE CITY OF RICHMOND.
YOU PUT A SIGN OUT COMING SOON AND THEY'RE CLEANING UP IN THE REAL ESTATE AGENT DRIVES BY.
LET ME GET IN, WE KNOW THE FULL PRICE.
OH, I DON'T CARE THAT YOUR APPLIANCES IN THE CARPET'S ALL RIPPED UP.
WE WANT TO SEE IT 410, 420,000 FOR THESE LITTLE THINGS.
SO I'D LIKE YOUR THOUGHTS ON, I MEAN, RESPONDING TO THIS TEACHER, HOW DO WE MAKE AFFORDABLE? RIGHT.
I MEAN, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN HERE ARE ABOUT DOING A SERIES OF INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS.
UH, GOOCHLAND COUNTY HAS A PIPELINE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN, AND IT HAS MANY EXISTING RESIDENTS, THE NEW, BUT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU HAVE COMING IN, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A FEW THOUSAND UNITS IN THIS PIPELINE OF APPROVED PROJECTS COMING ON DOWN THE ROAD.
HOW, IF, IF GOOCHLAND COUNTY IS GOING TO GROW AT THAT RATE, GOODLAND COUNTY IS GROWING.
IT'S GROWING AT THAT RATE AT THAT RATE OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING, CAN SOME PERCENT OF THAT NOT BE AT THE HIGHEST MARKET THAT MEDIAN HOME PRICE I QUOTED A 420,000 INCLUDES RESALES OF ALL THE EXISTING HOMES.
IF YOU LOOK JUST AT WHAT IS COMING DOWN IN THE PIPELINE, THE PRICE POINT IS MUCH HIGHER TO YOUR POINT THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S, UM, EXPERIENCE IN THE MARKET.
THESE DAYS CAN SOME PERCENT, SOME SMALL PERCENT OF THAT NEW HOUSING BE RESERVED FOR YOUR, YOUR CRITICAL WORKFORCE, YOUR STARTER HOME FAMILIES.
SO THAT NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE UNITS ARE THIS VERY, VERY HIGH END UNIT, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFECT THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE CONTROL OVER THAT AT THAT LEVEL OF THE ECONOMY, BUT YOU DO HAVE CONTROL OVER SOME THINGS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FOCUSED ON IN THIS REPORT.
I MEAN, I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING A LOT OF US UP HERE PROBABLY FREE MART, MORE FREE MARKET PERSONS, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING CANDID, YOU'RE ASKING US TO, TO DISTORT THE FREE MARKET, UM, IN ESSENCE, RIGHT.
BUT A VERY DEFINED SMALL SEGMENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M, I'M SUGGESTING, SO SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS DON'T, UM, REQUIRE LOCAL FUNDING, BUT SOME OF THEM DO.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO ONE THAT REQUIRES LOCAL FUNDING, I'M SUGGESTING THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF GOOCHLAND AND WHO CAN LIVE HERE AND WHO WANTS TO LIVE HERE, THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOUR ECONOMIC FUTURE TO HAVE A BROADER RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES, UM, AND HOUSING PRICES.
AND SO THAT, IT'S A GOOD USE OF SOME OF YOUR FUNDING AND A GOOD USE OF YOUR POLICIES FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT AREN'T ABOUT MONEY, BUT ARE ABOUT CHANGING AN ORDINANCE.
IT'S A GOOD USE OF YOUR POLICY TOOLS TO THINK ABOUT THE HOUSING MARKET AS PART OF YOUR ECONOMIC FUTURE, BECAUSE IF YOUR ECONOMIC FUTURE CONTINUES TO EXCLUDE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU JUST EXCLUDING THE EXTREMELY LOW INCOME.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU, EXCLUDING PEOPLE WHO EARN, UH, THE POVERTY LINE OR BELOW.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU EXCLUDING, UH, OVER 53% OF THE POPULATION CAN'T AFFORD THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE TODAY.
SO THAT'S THE CONTEXT IS TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE, THE ECONOMIC FUTURE OF GOOCHLAND AND WHAT POLICIES OR FUNDING YOU CAN, UH, BRING TO THE TABLE TO MAKE THAT A HEALTHIER, UH, HOUSING ECOSYSTEM, UH, INTO THE FUTURE.
WELL, I LOOK FORWARD TO MAYBE WE'LL FIND SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO GET BACK TOGETHER IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.
DO Y'ALL HAVE A MEETING PLANNED, UM, DOES YOUR GROUP HAVE A MEETING PLAN 30 DAYS, OR ARE YOU PLANNING TO JUST, UM, REACH OUT TO US A LITTLE BIT MORE, GET SOME MORE FEEDBACK, RIGHT.
WELL, I'LL ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'LL DO WE'LL TALK SEPARATELY, HOW WE CAN MAYBE, UH, TAKE ANY FEEDBACK AND BRING IT, BRING IT.
SHOULD I REACH OUT TO YOU OR, OR MS. GRAHAM? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT PROMPTED ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE REST OF THE GROUP, IF, IF NOT, UM,
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THANK YOU SO MUCH.APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERTISE AND YOUR EFFORT.
AND THANKS TO ALL THE FOLKS IN THE, IN THE GROUP.
I KNOW A LOT OF DISCUSSION, A LOT OF HEALTHY DEBATE AND A LOT WENT INTO THIS.
DO WE WANT TO ROLL ONTO THE NEXT ITEM OR DOES ANYBODY NEED A BREAK? OKAY.
UH, THE THIRD QUARTER PROJECTIONS GRANT ACCEPTED
[2. 3986: FY2021 Third Quarter Projections, Grant Acceptance and Budget]
GRANT ACCEPTANCE, BUDGET AMENDMENT, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, BARBARA HORLICKS.SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, BARBARA HORLOCKER DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
UM, FIRST PART OF MY PRESENTATION WILL BE ABOUT THIRD QUARTER PROJECTIONS, THE, UM, THIRD QUARTER, UM, W ENDED IN THE END OF MARCH.
AND WE ARE PROJECTING FOR THE END OF THE YEAR OF JUNE 30TH.
WE'RE EXPECTING TOTAL REVENUES ARE ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT $63 MILLION, AND THAT WOULD EXCEED THE BUDGET BY ABOUT $4 MILLION.
AND, UM, PRIMARILY THAT IS BECAUSE OF HIGHER THAN BUDGETED REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.
THE EXPENDITURES ARE PROJECTED TO BE 2.6 BELOW BUDGET, OR ABOUT $57 MILLION AND THE RESULTS AND OPERATING SURPLUS OF, UH, $6.2 MILLION.
UM, DURING THE YEAR WE ALSO TRANSFERRED MONEY TO, UM, PRIMARILY TO THE CIP SPENDING CASH ON, UM, BIGGER PROJECTS.
AND THAT TRANSFERS ARE EXPECTED TO BE ABOUT 7.1 MILLION.
SO AFTER TRANSFERS, OUR TOTAL FUND BALANCE WOULD DECREASE ABOUT 900,000 TO APPROXIMATELY $37.1 MILLION, UM, AND LOOKING AT OUR POLICIES AND WHERE WE MIGHT END UP FOR THE END OF THE YEAR, ACTUAL DEBT SERVICE EXPENDITURES, UM, TO DONATE TO TOTAL GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES OF ABOUT 3%.
AND THAT'S WELL BELOW OUR POLICY MAX OF 10% AND, UM, ON ASSIGNED FUND BALANCE, IF WE JUST ASSUME THAT WE KEEP IT AT FLAT DOLLARS FROM LAST YEAR, UM, IT WOULD RESULT IN AN UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF 28%.
AND, UM, THAT IS 3% ABOVE THE TARGET.
AND WE WILL REVISIT THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, TO DETERMINE IF WE WANT TO KEEP THAT AMOUNT FLAT OR IF WE WANT TO INCREASE THAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE OUR REVENUE STABILIZATION WILL BE ADJUSTED TO REMAIN AT 3% OF THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS BUDGET.
WE ALWAYS ADD TO THAT TO, UM, TO MEET THE POLICY REQUIREMENT OF 3%.
AND I THINK AT THIS POINT, THERE'S NO DECISION ON THESE, BUT I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THE THIRD QUARTER, UM, PROJECTIONS BEFORE I GONE INTO THE GRANT BOARD MEMBER.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? YES.
UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, ADDING TO THE FUND BALANCE BASED ON THE NUMBERS WE KNOW RIGHT NOW.
REVENUE STABILIZATION FUND, RIGHT BASED ON THE NUMBERS WE KNOW RIGHT NOW, HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK WE'LL BE ADDING TO IT? UM, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE'LL BE ADDING TO IT ONE WAY TO BALLPARK.
UM, SO SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT AND WE WERE RECENTLY NOTIFIED OF THE AWARD FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA IS SHELTER UPGRADE ASSISTANCE FUND.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS GRANT IS TO PROVIDE MATCHING FUNDS, LOCALITIES TO INSTALL, MAINTAIN, AND REPAIR INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED TO BACKUP EMERGENCY GENERATION FOR EMERGENCY SHELTERS.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE ONE EMERGENCY SHELTER IN THE COUNTY, AND THAT IS LOCATED AT GOOCHLAND HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, THIS GRANT, UM, THE, THE BUDGET SUBMITTED FOR THIS GRANT WAS $345,000.
THE GRANT AWARD, UM, WHICH WE DID RECEIVE NOTICE OF LAST WEEK WAS $207,061 THAT WOULD LEAVE A LOCAL MATCH OF $138,040.
IF WE WERE TO ACCEPT THIS GRANT AND PURCHASE THESE GENERATORS, WE WOULD, IT WOULD INVOLVE ONE LARGE GENERATOR, WHICH WOULD, UM, POWER THE GYMNASIUM, AND THEN TWO SMALLER GENERATORS TO POWER, BOTH THE WA ONE FOR THE WATER.
AND ONE FOR THE SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT IS OUT THERE.
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CENTRAL, THE PROJECT WOULD TAKE A MINIMUM OF 22 TO 26 WEEKS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT MUST BE COMPLETED.UM, WITHIN 18 MONTHS OF AWARD, WHICH IS, WAS I BELIEVE APRIL 23RD.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO ACCEPT THE GRANT BY MAY 23RD, WITHIN 30 DAYS.
UM, THE, THE GRANT IS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD.
IN FACT, ONCE WE ACCEPTED, THEY JUST SEND US THE AMOUNT.
UM, THE ONLY TAIL SO TO SPEAK IS WE WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO JET MAINTAIN OUR GENERATORS, WHICH WE DO NOW WITH ALL THE OTHER GENERATORS IN THE COUNTY.
UM, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE WORKING WHEN YOU NEED THEM.
AND, UM, IT DOES NOT COVER THE COST OF MAINTENANCE.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S AN ONGOING THING AND OF COURSE, FUEL FOR THE GENERATOR WOULD BE NEEDED.
AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE, THAT THIS WOULD QUALIFY US TO HAVE A SHELTER.
UM, THE RED CROSS DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE SHOWERS IN ORDER TO HAVE A SHELTER.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE SHELTER, WE ARE LOOKING INTO THE SHOWERS OUT THERE.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN USED FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT OUT OF FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT, WE CAN, UM, REFURBISH THOSE AND UPDATE THEM AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT THAT IS STILL, UM, ONE PIECE OF THIS THAT IS NOT ANSWERED YET.
HOWEVER, WE STILL WOULD, UM, CON HAVE, WHAT WOULD THE RED CROSS WOULD CONSIDER A WORKING SHELTER? SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THE GRANT? WHAT THE ACTION NEEDED TODAY WOULD BE TO ACCEPT THE GRANT AND ALSO TO APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS FROM THE GRANT, AS WELL AS THE, UM, AMOUNT THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, AND THAT WOULD COME FROM ASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.
SO IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE ANOTHER SHELTER.
I LIKED THAT IDEA AND WE GOT TWO THIRDS OR, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF THE GENERATORS PAID FOR, WITH THE GRANT, WHICH IS JUST CAME OUT OF OUR POCKETS IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT IT DIDN'T COME OUT OF LOCAL FUNDS.
UM, SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF, OKAY, IF WE PUT THE GENERATORS IN, WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL COST TO ACTUALLY, I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO HAVE COTS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER COSTS ARE WE GOING TO INCUR TO MAKE THIS A REAL SHELTER? UM, ACTUALLY THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT AUDIT COMMITTEE, UM, THANK YOU TO MR. SPOONFLOWER AND WE DO HAVE, UM, AND, AND THIS JEFFERSON WAS, IT WAS ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION THEN SHE'S, SHE'S I CONSIDER OUR SHELTER, UM, EXPERT.
AND SHE SAID, WE DO HAVE A SUPPLY OF, UM, SOME OF THOSE THINGS OURSELVES THAT ARE MAINTAINED, BUT IF WE WERE TO NEED MORE, THAT THE RED CROSS WOULD SUPPLY THOSE.
SO IN THAT RESPECT, WE'RE READY TO USE THE SHELTER.
UM, SO OTHER THAN THAT, AND MAINTENANCE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE GENERATORS AND GAS FOR THE, OR WHATEVER THEY'RE FUELED WITH, UM, RIGHT.
AND SO ASSUMING THAT THE GENERATORS WERE THERE TOMORROW, WHICH THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN 22 TO 26 MONTHS.
OTHER THAN PROBABLY SOME THINGS, BUT NO MAJOR EXPENSES.
ALRIGHTY, GREAT MINDS IN THE WEST.
ANY QUESTIONS IN THE EAST? OH, THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU WERE THERE FOR THE MAIN EVENT.
UM, I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE MOTION CHAIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE, UH, AWARD GRANT AWARD FROM THE STATE AND THE AMOUNT OF $207,061 WITH, UH, APPROPRIATING A LOCAL MATCH OF $138,040, EXCEPT THE GENERATOR GET IT INSTALLED AND MOVE FORWARD.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR APPROPRIATING PROVING THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE GRANT APPROPRIATELY.
IF I COULD JUST MAYBE CLARIFY AND MAKE SURE THE MOTION IN THE SECOND.
UM, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY THREE THINGS HERE WHERE WE'RE DOING MOVING TO ACCEPT THE GRANT MONIES, MODIFY THE CIP, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE
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THE GRANT MONIES AND THEN APPROPRIATING THE GRANT MONIES AND THE LOCAL MATCH.IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
YOU WEREN'T LISTENING TO MR. PETER.
UH, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE COVERING ALL THREE OF THOSE BASES, I THINK.
UM, SO YOU PUT, YOU SAID OUR FUNDS WERE ALREADY OUT.
I DIDN'T PLAN TO ASK THIS, BUT YOU SAID OUR FUNDS ARE ALREADY OUT OF A SIGN, A SIGN.
IT WOULD COME OUT OF THE AMOUNT THAT'S ASSIGNED FOR FUTURE CIP PROJECTS, ASK YOU WHICH BUCKET THAT BUCKET, THAT BUCKET COMING OUT OF THE RIGHT BUCKET.
BUT I GUESS YOU'RE ADDING TO THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT THE GRANT, THE GRANT, I MEAN THE GRANT MONEY IN TO APPROPRIATE THAT MONEY AS WELL.
YOU SAID, WAS THAT HEADING THE CIP AMENDMENT TO PUT THE GRANT MONEY? BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE MATCHES ALREADY IN THE RIGHT POCKET, BUT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATED.
DEFINITELY HEARD HIM SAY APPROPRIATELY THE WHOLE TIME WE ACCEPT THEM AT THE GRANT AWARD, WE APPROPRIATE THE $138,000 OR APPROPRIATE THE GRANT MONEY.
AND AMANDA, I THINK HE WANTS TO, I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AMEND THE CIP BUDGET.
THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO SEE IS THE AMENDMENT OF THE CFA.
THAT'S WHAT I SAID APPROPRIATE FOR THE LOCAL METH, BUT I'LL TAKE IT AS AMENDED AND NO OBJECTION FROM NONE WHATSOEVER.
I HOPE YOU'RE GOING EASIER NOW GOING FORWARD.
[3. 3990: Consideration of a Resolution to petition the Goochland County Circuit]
AND WE, AND WE DID REVIEW THIS, UH, AS WELL AND AUDIT COMMITTEE AND I, UM, NEGLECTED TO GIVE CREDIT TO MY PARTNER IN THIS.SO I'M GOING TO START WITH THIS.
UM, MS. JACKSON FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN ALL THE LEGAL, UM, EASE THAT YOU SEE AND WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR BOND COUNSEL TO, TO HELP WRITE THIS RESOLUTION.
UM, SO, UM, START OUT BY SAYING WE HAVE $168 MILLION IN PROJECTS IN OUR YEAR CIP THAT ARE FUNDED BY DEBT PROFFERS AND GENERAL FUND TRANSFERS, 184 MILLION AND ROAD PROJECTS, WHICH, UM, GENERALLY FUNDED BY STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS AND OUR FOUR LARGEST PROJECTS THAT ARE NON TRANSPORTATION ARE THE GLUTEN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THE CIRCUIT COURTHOUSE, RENOVATION ADDITIONS AT GOOD MIDDLE AND GOOCHLAND HIGH SCHOOL AND, UH, WEST CREEK FIRE STATION.
SO THESE ARE THE, UM, FOUR PROJECTS THAT WE ARE TARGETING, SO TO SPEAK FOR, UM, FINANCING, SO FINANCING.
UM, SO THE COUNTY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS HAS PREPARED FOR THIS, UM, IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS THEY PAID DOWN, WE'VE BEEN PAYING DOWN ON OUR DEBT, UM, TO NOW WHERE WE HAVE A VERY LOW POINT.
YOU SAW THE WE'RE ONLY SPENDING 3% OF OUR GENERAL EXPENSE, UH, GENERAL REVENUE, UM, ON DEBT.
UM, WE'VE OBTAINED TWO AAA CREDIT RATINGS.
SO WE'RE IN A GOOD, WE'RE A GOOD CREDIT RISK FOR ON DEBT AND WE'RE READY TO CONSIDER FINANCING.
SO WHY DO YOU WANT TO FINANCE? UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS AND, UM, THAT LOCALITIES WANT TO FINANCE.
AND, UM, SO YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO SPREAD OUT THE COSTS OF A LARGE ITEM, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD, UM, OVER A, UH, FOR A HOUSE BECAUSE YOU'RE USING IT FOR THAT ALL THAT LONG PERIOD.
SO YOU WANT TO SPREAD OUT THE COSTS AND ALSO TO SAVE ALL THE CASH TO BUILD A, FOR INSTANCE, A NEW SCHOOL WOULD TAKE MANY YEARS AND WE WOULDN'T DO MANY PROJECTS VERY OFTEN TO SAVE CASH.
AND ALSO WE FIND OURSELVES IN A VERY, UM, FAVORABLE INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW.
SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ALL REASONS WHY WE WOULD CONSIDER FINANCING AS OPPOSED TO SAVING UP THE MONEY TO USE CASH.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO FINANCE, UH, GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, LEASE REVENUE, BONDS, PRIVATE BANK PLACEMENT, AND THERE'S POOLED DEBT.
UM, WITH OUR VRA AND VPS, A GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS ARE BACKED BY THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE COUNTY.
AND SO THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE THE LOWEST OF ALL THE LOWEST RISK OF ALL THOSE, UM, UM, BONDS THAT YOU SEE.
AND SO THEREFORE THEY CARRY THE LOWEST INTEREST RATES AND THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE TO THE COUNTY OF USING GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, BECAUSE WE GET THE LOWEST INTEREST RATE.
WE SPEND THE LEAST AMOUNT OF THE S OF THE RESIDENTS MONEY ON, ON PAYING
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BACK DEBT.AND, UM, BUT IN ORDER TO ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REFERENDUM.
AND WHAT IS A REFERENDUM? IT'S A GENERAL VOTE BY THE ELECTORATE ON A QUESTION WHICH HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THEM FOR THEIR DIRECT DECISION.
WHAT IS THE DECISION WE'RE ASKING THEM TO MAKE? WE'RE ASKING THEM IF THE COUNTY SHOULD ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE FUNDS FOR SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED PROJECTS.
SO IT'S NOT JUST TO ISSUE DEBT.
UH, IT IS SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED PROJECTS AND THE FUNDS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THOSE LISTED PROJECTS.
AND IT IS UNIQUE TO COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, THAT WE HAVE A REFERENDUM IN ORDER TO ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION.
SO WHY DO WE NEED THE RESOLUTION RESOLUTION, ASK THE COURT TO PUT THOSE TWO QUESTIONS ON THE NOVEMBER 2ND ELECTION BALLOT.
SO WE'RE ASKING YOU FOR A RESOLUTION, UM, SO THAT WE CAN GO TO THE COURT AND SAY, UM, WOULD YOU PUT THESE QUESTIONS ON THE BALLOT? THE TWO QUESTIONS, ASK IF THE COUNTY SHOULD ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS TO FUND THE SPECIFIED CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND THOSE ARE SPECIFIED IN THE QUESTIONS.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WOULD BE ON THE BALLOT WOULD BE, UM, AND THEY'RE ALL BOTH WORDED THE SAME WAY, BUT, UM, SHOW THE COUNTY OF GOOCHLAND CONTRACT AND DEBT A DEBT AND ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS IN THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF $60 MILLION FOR, AND THEN IT SPECIFIES EXACTLY WHAT IT'S FOR.
SO IT'S FOR A CONSTRUCTION AND EQUIPPING OF A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IMPROVEMENTS TO MODERNIZE AND UPGRADE EXISTING MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL FACILITIES AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROADS AND EXISTING PARKING LOTS TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW AROUND ALL OF THOSE, THE MIDDLE HIGH AND THE NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THE CA THE SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE CONSIDERED A COURT'S IN PUBLIC SAFETY QUESTION AGAIN, SHALL THE COUNTY ISSUE, GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT, A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF $36 MILLION TO PROVIDE FUNDS, TO UNDERTAKE A CIP FOR A COURTHOUSE THAT IT WOULD INCLUDE RELATED LAW ENFORCEMENT FACILITIES AND A FIRE STATION IN THE COUNTY.
UM, SO IF THE RESOLUTION PASSES TODAY, THE NEXT STEP IS THAT THE, UM, COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL, UM, UH, MAKE, UH, WE'LL GO TO THE JUDGE AND OBTAIN A CIRCUIT COURT ORDER, WHICH OFFICIALLY GETS THE QUESTION ON THE BALLOT.
UM, THE COUNTY AND SCHOOL STAFF WOULD ALSO BEGIN A VOTER EDUCATION EFFORT TO, TO GET THE WORD OUT TO EVERYBODY THAT, UH, ABOUT THESE BALLOT AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SEEING, AND, UH, EXPLAINING THE PROJECTS TO THEM AFTER THE REFERENDUM, THE COUNTY WOULD WORK WITH, UM, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR AND, UM, DETERMINE THE TIME AND SIZE OF THE BOND ISSUANCE.
SO, SO THIS IS, THIS IS NOT THE END OF THE STORY, SO TO SPEAK, UM, THAT THERE WILL BE DECISIONS MADE ALONG THE WAY.
AND, UM, SINCE THIS IS A SIX MONTH AWAY, UM, WELL, THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION WE MAY GET IN THE MEANTIME.
AND THIS CAME UP IN OUR, OUR AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING TOO.
UM, THERE COULD BE MONEY FROM THIS NEW, UM, ARPA PLAN THAT WOULD BE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SCHOOLS, UM, WHERE THEY'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT, UM, INCREASING THE LIMIT ON BANK PLACEMENT DEBT, THAT, WHICH IS 10 MILLION RIGHT NOW TO 30 MILLION, UM, BRINGING BACK SOMETHING CALLED, UM, BUILD AMERICA BONDS, WHICH CHECKS WE HAD A SUBSIDY AND THEM TO HELP YOU PAY YOUR INTEREST.
SO, SO BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PERMISSION TO DO, TO ISSUE THE DEBT DOESN'T MEAN WE'LL RUN RIGHT OUT AND DO IT.
AND WE'LL LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT DON'T ALSO BE OUT THERE.
AND THE BOARD WOULD ALWAYS NEED TO PASS A RESOLUTION BEFORE ANY DEBT CAN BE ISSUED, AND THE PROJECTS WILL CONTINUE TO BE REVIEWED THROUGH THE CIP PROCESS.
SO, UM, THAT YOU HAVE NOW THE PERMISSION, BUT YOU, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T PREVENT YOU FROM TAKING A LOT OF OTHER STEPS IN BETWEEN AND A LOT OF DECISIONS, UH, TO BE MADE ALONG THE WAY.
UM, SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, AND I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT, UH, THANK YOU, MR. LEIKER BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS MS. LAST CLIP? YES.
UH, IF THE, TO REFERENDUM OR TO PASS, UH, THAT WOULD BE NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR, IT'D BE ON THE BALLOT.
UM, WHAT IS OUR TIMEFRAME TO SPEND OR WELL, TO BORROW THE MONEY? UM, YOU HAVE EIGHT YEARS TO BORROW THE MONEY, AND
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THEN IF YOU GO TO THE, UM, TO THE JUDGE AND ASK FOR AN EXEMPTION, YOU CAN, THEY CAN LENGTHEN IT TO 10 YEARS, BUT IT'S USUALLY EIGHT YEARS, EIGHT YEARS.SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS ASSUMING THAT THIS PA THEY BOTH PASS, THEN WE LOOK AT ALL OF OUR OPTIONS AND SEE WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE.
WHAT OTHER MEANS OF FUNDING OR CORRECT.
BE AVAILABLE THAT MAYBE WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVEN RIGHT NOW, RIGHT.
AND IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO ISSUE THE DEBT.
IF AT THE END OF THE EIGHT YEARS, YOU'VE, YOU'VE FOUND OTHER METHODS OR HAVE CHANGED YOUR PLANS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST EXPIRES YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED.
SO THIS IS JUST PERMISSION TO DO SO BASICALLY I THINK MR. SPOONER SAID THAT IN THE AUDIT COMMITTEE.
ANY, ANY COMMENTS QUESTIONS, MR. MS. CHAIR.
UH, SO IT'S THE, IT'S THE PERMISSION, BUT NOT THE REQUIREMENT TO BORROW UP TO THE STATE OF THE AMOUNTS AT ANY TIME UP TO EIGHT YEARS IN THE FUTURE, CORRECT.
WITHOUT LOCKING US INTO ANYTHING AND REQUIRE US COME BACK AND TAKE FURTHER ACTION BEFORE WE DO ISSUE ANYTHING.
IF THIS MIGHT BE, UH, DON'T GO ANYWHERE YET.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE NON-STARTERS? UM, SO NO, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A DECISION ON THE BOARD AND, UM, YOU'RE TAKING A SENSE FROM THE COMMUNITY OF, OF HOW THEY, UM, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THESE PROJECTS, BUT, UM, YOU'RE JUST ASKING THEM FOR PERMISSION TO USE THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS.
SO LIKE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES TO BORROW MONEY, UM, NOT, NOT AS OPTIMAL ALL THE TIME, DEPENDING ON THE INTEREST RATES, BUT, UM, BUT THERE ARE AVENUES.
SO THAT WOULD BE AGAIN, DECISIONS FOR THE BOARD, UM, AS TO HOW THEY WOULD WANT TO PROCEED ON THOSE PROJECTS.
BUT THESE TYPICALLY ARE THE MOST FAVORABLE TERMS. SO IF THE PUBLIC WERE TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO GO AFTER THAT.
IT GETS TO BE FINANCED, BUT POTENTIALLY LESS FAVORABLE TERMS. CORRECT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT.
UH, THE RESOLUTION IS NOT SEEKING APPROVAL TO DO THE PROJECTS IT'S SEEKING APPROVAL TO USE THE GENERAL OBLIGATION AS A SOURCE OF FUNDING, POTENTIAL SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR THESE PROJECTS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY.
SO PRODUCTS THEMSELVES ARE NOT NECESSARILY ON THE BALLOT.
THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
WHICH SHOULD BE PART OF THE EDUCATION, WHAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE EDUCATION EFFORT? CORRECT.
UM, OTHERWISE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WHY ARE YOU DOING WHAT I TOLD YOU? I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO DO, UM, JUST MAYBE A QUESTION MORE FOR A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EIGHT YEARS OUT AND ALL THAT STUFF, THE, I KNOW WE'VE SEEN FROM THE SCHOOLS, THEIR NUMBERS AND HOW, HOW THAT BREAKS DOWN.
UM, AND MAYBE I SIT WITH YOU, MIKE, IF, DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF HOW MUCH INVESTIGATION WE'VE DONE, HOW CONFIDENT WE ARE THAT 36 MILLION WILL COVER THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED IN QUESTION TWO? I BELIEVE WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT IN THAT.
UM, WE'VE HAD A FIRE SERVICES, FIRE RESCUE ACTUALLY LOOK AT A NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN THE REGION.
UH, SO FOR THE FIRE STATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR, UH, WEST CREEK, UH, VERY MUCH WITHIN THAT, UM, THE COURTHOUSE FACILITY, WE STILL HAVE SOME WORK TO GO THROUGH, BUT, UM, WE THINK WE CAN GET A FAIRLY CLOSE NUMBER TO THAT.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT RELATED LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UH, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE QUESTION.
WHAT ARE WE THINKING? WHY IS THAT COMPONENT IN THERE? IS IT JUST AN ANCILLARY TO THE COURTHOUSE IF YOU DON'T MIND SCROLLING BACK UP TO THE QUESTION, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT, IT, UM, BECAUSE THE, UM, THE FIRE STATION IS, UM, A PUBLIC SAFETY COMPONENT.
WE, WE WANTED TO ADD THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME, UM, SOME SHERIFF COMPONENTS THERE TOO, SO THAT OUR TITLE WAS ACCURATE COURTS AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO MR. YOUNG, THE 36 MILLION, WHATEVER THE COMPONENT FOR A FIRE STATION AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS FULL COURTHOUSE.
I KNOW YOU SAID A COUPLE TIMES CIRCUIT COURT, BUT THIS WOULD BE COVERING ALL, ALL COURTS, GENERAL DISTRICT COURT, DISTRICT,
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JUVENILE, DOMESTIC RELATIONS COURT HOUSE, PROBABLY THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SOME OTHER COMPONENTS.I DON'T THINK YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, 36 MILLION, PROBABLY NOT, NOT AT THE PRICE OF BUILDING MATERIALS, KEEP GOING UP.
THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE ON AND THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WE NEED TO AS TO WHEN WE ACTUALLY, UH, LOOK AT WHEN WE, UH, ISSUE THESE BONDS.
SO, UM, THOSE WILL BE COMPONENTS THAT THAT'LL BE LOOKED AT.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ALSO, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FACILITIES, THE COURTHOUSE WILL HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE PULLING IN, UH, PRISONERS, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT RELATED, UH, TO THOSE COURTHOUSE FACILITIES THAT ARE NECESSARILY, UM, A PART OF THE COURT.
SO THERE'S NO, NO MORE LAND ACQUISITION COSTS ON THE COURTHOUSE PROJECT.
ARE THERE, UM, NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE A CORRECT STATEMENT.
UM, SO THE, THERE ARE A FEW AS WE'VE COME TO FIND, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT ARE IN THE COURTHOUSE PROJECT, SUCH AS, UM, YOU HAVE THE SHERIFF'S IMPOUND LOT THAT HAS TO BE RELOCATED, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING FACILITIES.
YOU ALSO HAVE, UH, GENERAL SERVICES, UM, BUILDING AND OPERATIONS THAT ALSO HAS TO BE RELOCATED, UH, FOR THE PARKING FOR THE COURTHOUSE FACILITY.
AND THOSE WE HAVE NOT, UM, YET BUDGETED.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, DISCUSSION MOTION BOARD'S PREFERENCE, MR. GERARD WAS, WOULD ADD ONE MORE THING.
IF I COULD, UM, UH, DURING THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING, IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT, UH, THE SCHOOL'S PORTION OF THIS, WHICH IS, UH, UH, MORE THAN HALF OF THE, OF THE DOLLARS INVOLVED, UH, DOES COME TO US, UM, RECOMMENDED FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD, UH, FOR APPROVAL.
THE SCHOOL BOARD ADOPTED THIS AT THEIR LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE.
AND ASKED ME HOW TO DO THE SAME.
I'M READY FOR A MOTION OR WHATEVER.
ALL RIGHT, JEFF, YOU READY FOR A MOTION? UM, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION TO PETITION THE GOODSON COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT, REQUESTING A REFERENDUM ON QUESTIONS OF THE ISSUANCE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS TO FUND CERTAIN PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON, MR. SHARP, WE HAD A MOTION TO SECOND BOARD.
ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NONE? LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ONE.
THANK YOU, MS. HORLOCKER AGAIN, AND THANK YOU ALSO DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY KELLY JACKSON.
I KNOW WE'LL CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
UM, THE TIMETABLE YOU SHARED WITH US WAS VERY HELPFUL COMMENT.
UH, LAST ITEM ON NEW BUSINESS IN OUR AFTERNOON SESSION, OUR APPOINTMENTS,
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AND I AM GOING TO CLICK, THIS IS ON PAGE 93 OF OUR PACKET.OKAY, WELL, YOU'VE GOT, UM, YOU WANT MR. YOUNG, WHY DON'T YOU WALK US THROUGH THE APPOINTMENT? SURE.
UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY POLICY AND MANAGEMENT TEAM REAPPOINTMENT OF DR.
LAURA EASTER EFFECTIVE MAY 1ST, 2021 FOR A TWO YEAR TERM ENDING APRIL 30TH, 2023, UM, GOOCHLAND SOCIAL SERVICES BOARD, REAPPOINTMENT OF BETSY WRIGHT EFFECTIVE JUNE ONE, 2021 FOR A FOUR-YEAR TERM ENDING MAY 30TH, 2025 FOR THE RR TPO TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT OF MIKE CAMPBELL.
TRANSPORTATION MANAGER COUNTIES WILL BE COUNTY STAFF REPLACING TODD KILLED OFF EFFECTIVE MAY ONE 2021 FOR A TWO YEAR TERM ENDING APRIL 30TH, 2023, AND REAPPOINTMENT OF TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER EFFECTIVE MAY ONE 2021 OR TWO YEAR TERM ENDING APRIL 30TH, 2023 AND FOUR, THE CLEO CAPITAL REGION, A WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP APPOINTMENT OF JOANNE HUNTER, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AND PLACING TODD KILLED OFF AS ALTERNATE MEMBER EFFECTIVE MAY ONE 2021 FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, REAPPOINTMENT OF BENTON AND SLOAN EFFECTIVE JUNE 1ST, 2021 FOR FOUR YEAR TERM ENDING MAY 31ST, 2025.
AND FOR THE RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION, REAPPOINTMENT OF LARRY
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PROFIT EFFECTIVE ARTS FIRST 2021 FOR A TWO YEAR TERM ENDING FEBRUARY 28TH, 2023, AND REAPPOINTMENT OF KESHA CARROLL EFFECTIVE MARCH 1ST, 2021 FOR A TWO YEAR TERM ENDING FEBRUARY 28TH, 2023.UM, MR. YOUNG, UH, WE, I KNOW A COUPLE OF, COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING APPOINTED ARE PRESENT.
SO IF THEY DIDN'T WANT THIS, THEY CAN RAISE THEIR HAND, ACTUALLY.
NOT ALL OF THEM GET TO DECIDE THAT DID Y'ALL JUST MISS A MEETING OR SOMETHING.
UM, BUT, UH, MY QUESTION IS THE OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE NOT HERE, DO THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE? WE CLEAR ALL APPOINTMENTS WITH PEOPLE WE BRING INTO IT.
IS IS THE, UH, SOCIAL SERVICES BOARD AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
IS THAT APPOINTED BY DISTRICT? NO.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO SOCIAL SERVICES.
SO, UM, KNOWING THAT EVERYBODY IS DULY RAISED THEIR HANDS AND AGREED TO THIS, UM, UH, BOARD WILL ENTER THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM THE BOARD, MR. CHAIRMAN WITH GUCCI COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE APPOINTMENTS AS PRESENTED.
ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST LIKE TO SAY, I TALK A LOT ABOUT WHAT I'VE LEARNED IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 15 MONTHS, IT TAKES A LOT TO GET STUFF DONE AROUND HERE.
SO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO STEP UP AND DO THESE THINGS AND ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO US TO REQUEST THINGS JUST SAYS A TON.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I DON'T THINK I COULD SERVE ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO I JUST APPRECIATE THESE FOLKS YOU'RE DOING THAT.
UM, THANK YOU, MR. SPEAR NOW, OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR.
IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND WE ARE NOW ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AFTERNOON SESSION AND BOARD MEMBERS.
I THINK WE'RE NOW READY FOR, UM, A RECESS FOR DINNER AND WE'LL BE
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ARE, WE OPENING THEM UP OURSELVES.IT'S JUST BECAUSE SOMETIMES INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY GOING HERE, WE'LL BE BACK IN A MINUTE.
ALL RIGHT, MR. VICE-CHAIR, THIS THING WILL GO NOWHERE WITHOUT YOU PRESENT.
SO WE CAN'T GET IT OFF THE GROUND WITHOUT YOU READY TO HELP.
ARE YOU READY? ARE YOU GOOD? GOOD, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
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WELCOME TO OUR SIX O'CLOCK, UH, SECOND HALF SESSION OF THE MAY 4TH, REGULAR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING FOR GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.UH, SO I CALL US TO ORDER WE'LL ROLL INTO CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, AFTER A BRIEF OVERVIEW REAL QUICKLY.
AND I THINK WE WANT TO DO THIS, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE YET.
UM, THIS WAY WE'LL GET IT RECORDED SO PEOPLE CAN SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THE NEW SWAG SYSTEM TODAY.
THE COUNTY OFFICIALLY BEGINS USING A NEW MEETING STREAMING SOFTWARE, WHICH IS GOING TO PROVIDE A MUCH IMPROVED EXPERIENCE FOR FOLKS WATCHING OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS LIVE OR ACCESSING THE ARCHIVE MEETINGS.
UM, AFTER THE MEETING, IT'S, UH, FROM A COMPANY CALLED SWAGGART S W A G I T PRODUCTIONS, UM, IT'S SOFTWARE USED BY CITIES AND COUNTIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS, THE COUNTRY, UM, IT'S AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE AND, UH, MR. BUZZARD, OUR IT DIRECTOR WILL SHOW YOU RIGHT NOW.
IT'S UNDER THE TRANSPARENCY TAB ON THE HOME PAGE, WATCH COUNTY MEETINGS LIVE AND ARCHIVED.
AND ALSO, UM, NOTE THAT WE'RE, THIS IS BEING RECORDED.
UM, SO FOLKS CAN FIND THIS, IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS MEETING LATER, THEY'LL SEE.
SO YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, UPCOMING EVENTS, YOU SEE THE RED BLINKING.
SO THIS IS THIS, I THINK IF YOU HOVER OVER THAT RED, IT SAYS THIS MEETING, THIS EVENT IS LIVE.
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A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY, UH, PROBABLY TWO MINUTE DELAY.SO THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO BE.
IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING ONLINE, THERE WE GO.
SO THIS IS REALLY, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS, UM, AS, UH, ANOTHER MEANS OF LETTING FOLKS KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS.
UH, PRETTY COOL TOO, MR. AND YOU, YOU CAN WEIGH IN AND SPEAK UP, BUT I THINK YOU CAN GET TO INDEX THIS MEETING.
SO FOLKS CAN FIND, WELL, RIGHT THERE, THE VIDEO INDEX IS RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU CAN CLICK EASILY TO THE PART OF THE VIDEO THAT YOU WANT.
THE THING FOR FOLKS, AND I MAY REPEAT THIS WHEN WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT THE SWAG IT SOFTWARE IS DOING LIVE, UH, REAL-TIME TRANSCRIPTION.
SO BOARD MEMBERS WERE GOING TO TRY TO REMEMBER TO SPEAK CLEARLY, PROBABLY TAKE THE MASK OFF IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE AND MAKE SURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON.
UM, AND REMEMBER YOU ARE BEING RECORDED AND TRANSCRIPTION IS TAKING PLACE.
WELL, I THINK THE TESTS SHOWED AT LEAST AN 85 OR SO PERCENT OR BETTER ACCURACY RATE WAS CORRECT.
AND MAYBE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO TRAIN IT FOR WORDS LIKE GOOCHLAND HAYDENVILLE FIFE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE IT LEARNING HOW TO CAPTURE ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND YEAH.
SO, UH, AGAIN, WHEN YOU, WELL, I'LL SAY THIS KIM, MAYBE LATER WHEN WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT, UH, FOR STARTERS COME ON UP AND IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE TAKING YOUR MASK OFF, THERE'S SOME WIPES TO CLEAN THINGS DOWN IF FOLKS WANT TO, BUT THE TRANSCRIPTION SOFTWARE WILL WORK MUCH BETTER.
UM, AND WE CAN ACTUALLY HEAR YOU BETTER.
I KNOW PEOPLE AT HOME LISTENING ON ZOOM HAVE SAID, UM, THAT IT'S VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHEN FOLKS WEAR MASKS, SO WHATEVER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT WE'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO TAKE THE MASK OFF.
SO THAT'S THAT DEMO, UM, AND ALSO INTRODUCTION TO A GREAT SOFTWARE FOR OUR CITIZENS.
SO WE'LL ROLL INTO THE CITIZEN COMMENT
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PERIOD FOR OUR EVENING SESSION.NOW, THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD IS NOT THE TIME TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THEY'LL OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE'LL BE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK TO THE, UH, MATTERS THAT ARE COMING BEFORE SHORTLY DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION, WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT'S PERTAINS TO GOOCHLAND, UM, OUR ACTIVITIES SERVICES, THINGS WE'RE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY, THINGS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, UM, COME FORWARD NOW, UM, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
IF YOU WOULD, THE YELLOW LIGHT WILL BLINK WITH ONE MINUTE LEFT AND THEN RED LIGHT WILL BLINK WHEN THE THREE MINUTES ARE UP.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING TO START.
THE PUBLIC COMMENTARY IS ZOOM.
SO IF PEOPLE ARE ON THERE, THEY CAN RAISE THEIR HAND.
IF ANYBODY IN THE ROOM WISHES TO COME FORWARD FOR THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, NOT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT THE CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD, I'LL OPEN THAT UP AND PLEASE COME FORWARD.
PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR THE MAIN EVENT, I THINK FOR THE MAIN EVENTS.
SO WE'LL CLOSE OR UNLESS SOMEBODY JUMPED ON AND RAISED THE HAND REAL CLOSE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, AND MR. MULLIGAN THINGS LOADED AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD.
WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
[XVII. Public Hearings]
UM, ORDINANCE AMENDING COUNTY CODE SECTION[1. 3973: Ordinance amending County Code Sections 2-64 (Description of precincts)]
TWO DASH 64 AND TWO DASH 65 REGARDING DESCRIPTION OF PRECINCTS AND POLLING PLACES.UM, OUR REGISTRAR RYAN MULLIGAN.
UH, SO BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ELECTORAL BOARD AND GENERAL REGISTRAR TO, UH, FOR THIS ORDINANCE TO AMEND COUNTY CODE? UH, IT'S GOING TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UH, FIRST IT'S GOING TO UPDATE THE ADDRESS FOR OUR CENTRAL ABSENTEE PRECINCT, UH, AND THEN ALSO CHANGE THE POLLING PLACES FOR PRECINCTS ONE OH TWO HAYNESVILLE AND PRECINCT FIVE OH TWO BLAIR ROAD.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, TO CHANGE THE NAME OF PRECINCT FIVE OH TWO BLAIR ROAD, UM, ACTUALLY I'LL START WITH THE, UM, CENTRAL ABSENTEE PRECINCT.
THIS IS WHERE WE PROCESS ALL OF OUR RETURNED MAIL BALLOTS,
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UH, CURRENTLY THAT IS HERE IN THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.UM, BUT ELECTION DAY IN NOVEMBER IS NOW A HOLIDAY.
SO THIS BUILDING WILL BE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC.
SO WE CAN'T HAVE THAT GOING ON HERE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE.
SO, UH, THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW US TO USE MY OFFICE, THE GENERAL REGISTRAR'S OFFICE, JUST ACROSS THE WAY IN THAT SITUATION.
SO BASICALLY IN NOVEMBER CENTRAL ABSENTEE PRECINCT WILL BE AT MY OFFICE, BUT IN JUNE ELECTIONS, THAT WILL BE HERE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UH, AND THEN NEXT WOULD BE, UH, CHANGING.
I'M SORRY, I'M GOING BACKWARDS HERE.
UH, PRECINCT ONE OH TWO HAYDENVILLE UH, THIS, UH, VOTERS HERE CURRENTLY VOTE AT COUNTY LINE BAPTIST CHURCH, AND THAT HAS BECOME UNAVAILABLE TO US DUE TO THE PANDEMIC.
UH, VOTING AT THAT PRECINCT HAS BEEN MOVED ON A TEMPORARY BASIS TO COMPANY SIX, UM, GOOCHLAND FIRE RESCUE STATION SIX.
UH, AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, THE COUNTY LINE BAPTIST CHURCH HAS NOTIFIED THE ELECTORAL BOARD THAT THEY NO LONGER WISH THEIR FACILITY TO BE USED AS A POLLING PLACE.
SO WE JUST THOUGHT THE BEST OPTION WOULD BE TO JUST MOVE IT OFFICIALLY TO WHERE THEY'RE ALREADY VOTING.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT CHANGES FOR.
AND THEN, UH, KIND OF SIMILAR SITUATION AT THE, UM, PRECINCT FIVE OH TWO, UH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY CALLED BLAIR ROAD.
UH, THEY CURRENTLY OFFICIALLY VOTED AT THE COLLEGIATE SCHOOL, UH, ATHLETICS BUILDING ON BLAIR ROAD.
UH, AGAIN, THAT FACILITY DUE TO THE PANDEMIC HAS BECOME UNAVAILABLE TO US.
AGAIN, VOTING FOR THAT PRECINCT HAS BEEN MOVED ON A TEMPORARY BASIS.
MARY'S EPISCOPAL ON, UH, RIVER ROAD.
UH, AND AGAIN, UH, THE FACILITY MANAGER THERE HAS TOLD US THAT THEY CAN'T GUARANTEE THE CERTAINTY OF US USING THAT FACILITY IN THE FUTURE AS A POLLING PLACE.
SO AGAIN, UH, THE BEST OPTION SEEMS TO JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE IT OFFICIALLY TO WHERE VOTERS ARE ALREADY VOTING, UH, CURRENTLY.
AND THEN FINALLY, SINCE WE'RE MOVING IT OFF OF BLAIR ROAD, UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO CALL IT BLAIR ROAD PRECINCT ANYMORE.
SO, UH, THE LAST PART OF THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO CHANGE THE NAME OF BLAIR ROAD PRECINCT TO JUST BLAIR PRECINCT.
SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW PRETTY QUICKLY, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD SO I CAN OPEN UP NO QUESTION, MR. SMITH.
FOR THE PRESENTATION, WILL THESE BE PERMANENT CHANGES? I KNOW YOU SORT OF ALLOW THESE WERE DUE TO COVID, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL BE PLANNING ON GOING BACK TO THE OTHER PLACES OR MEETING HERE.
SO THE POLLING PLACES, THESE TWO, UM, HAD BEEN MOVED ORIGINALLY BECAUSE OF COVID, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THE FACILITIES AS TALL HAVE BOTH TOLD US THEY DON'T WANT US TO CONTINUE TO USE IT AS A BOWLING PLACE.
SO THINGS OBVIOUSLY YOUR OFFICE OR YOUR BUILDING THERE, IT CAN BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
AND SO YOU'RE NOT RUNNING A FOUL OF ANY ISSUES.
UM, I NOTICED THAT THE AMENDMENT SAYS OCCURS ON A COUNTY HOLIDAY.
OF COURSE, THIS IS A STATE, UH, STATE PASSED A LAW THAT RIGHT, BUT THE COUNTY YEAH.
SO IF IT'S ON ANY HOLIDAY, BUT IF THEY'RE BUILDING, THE IDEA IS OUR BUILDING IS CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC, BUT THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH YOU OPENING YOUR BUILDING TO THE PUBLIC ON A HOLIDAY.
SO IT KIND OF WORKS OUT THAT IT'S NOW A SEPARATE LITTLE THAT'S WORKED OUT AND YOU HAVE THE ROOM, YOU HAVE THE ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE DICKS.
SO THE, UM, WE'RE HERE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO NO QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. MELVIN, WE'LL OPEN, OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO FOLKS THAT, UH, ONLINE OR HERE THAT WISH TO SPEAK TO THE ORDINANCE, AMENDING THE TWO CODE SECTIONS REGARDING CALLING PLACES AND PRECINCTS, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
SAME RULES THREE, THREE MINUTES.
IF YOU WOULD, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UH, COME FORWARD.
AND I'M KIND OF LOOKING TO YOU GUYS.
LET ME KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK.
NOT SEEING ANYBODY MOVING FORWARD.
WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER ONE AND, UH, OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS.
THAT CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST LAST, RIGHT.
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I MOVE THAT.THE BOARD ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE AMENDING COUNTY CODE SECTION TWO DASH 64 AND TWO DAY 65, AND THEY HAD A CENTRAL ABSENTEE VOTING PRECINCT LOCATION CHANGED THE NAME OF THE BLAIR ROAD PRECINCT AND CHANGED THE POLLING PLACES FOR THE HAYNESVILLE, WHICH IS ONE OH TWO AND BLAIR ROAD FIVE OH TWO, I BELIEVE PRECINCTS SECOND.
VOTE FOR THIS AND ALL THE OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS.
MICHIGAN SUPERVISOR'S SPOON HOUR.
[2. 3974: Ordinance amending County Code Sec. 14-251 (Tuckahoe Creek Service]
HEADING TEXT MAP.NUMBER TWO, THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT LOOKS LIKE MR. ARMSTRONG HAS GOT TO LEAD US ON THIS ONE.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE, I MET LONGSHORE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC UTILITIES.
AND TONIGHT, UH, TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING A CASE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AN AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE CHAPTER 14, SECTION TWO 51.
AND THIS IS FOR A PARCEL ADDITION INTO THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE SERVICE DISTRICT.
UH, THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT, UH, TYPICALLY REFER TO AS THE TCSD, UH, IS A WATER SEWER DISTRICT CREATED IN 2002, UH, TO PROVIDE WATER SEWER SERVICES AND A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR DEBT SERVICE.
UH, THE TCSD CURRENTLY HAS AROUND 1900 PARCELS ON THAT INCLUDES SUBDIVIDED PARCELS SINCE 2002, UH, WHEN IT WAS CREATED, A SMALL NUMBER OF PARCELS HAVE, UH, ENTERED AND EXITED THE DISTRICT.
SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TONIGHT IS DUE TO, TO REQUEST OF MS. BARBARA THURSTON TO ADD PARCEL NUMBER, UH, 47 DASH ONE DASH ZERO DASH NINE NINE THREE DASH A TWO.
THE TCSD THIS PARCEL IS A APPROXIMATELY HALF AN ACRE AND CURRENTLY SERVES AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
UH, THE PARCEL OWNER HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST, UH, TO CONNECT TO, UH, THE, THE NEARBY EXISTING PUBLIC SEWER SYSTEM DUE TO, UH, A FAILING SEPTIC FIELD TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT AND WHERE THIS PARCEL IS.
IT'S NEAR THE RMD, UH, CENTERVILLE VILLAGE AREA AS THE HIGHLIGHTED PARCEL ON THE SCREEN, UH, JUST SOUTH OF THE ROCKVILLE ROAD ST.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN LINES ON THE MAP OR THE EXISTING PUBLIC SEWER SYSTEM AND THE CLOSE PROXIMITY THEY ARE TO THE PARCEL.
SO FOR THE PROPOSED CODE CHANGE, IT WOULD BE IN CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 14 DASH TWO 51, SUBSECTION A SUBSECTION ONE.
AND IT WOULD BE TO SIMPLY ADD THE TAX MAT NUMBER OF THIS PARCEL INTO THAT SECTION, WHICH IS 47 DASH ONE DASH ZERO DASH 93 DASH A.
WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU, UH, PRIOR TO OPENING IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.
IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
THANK YOU, MR. LONG SHORE BOARD MEMBERS.
ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY, I'LL ASK ONE QUESTION I NOTICED THE APPLICATION SAYS, AND THEN AS YOU DESCRIBE FOR EXISTING HOUSE TO ADD COUNTY SEWER, UM, YES, SIR.
ARE THEY CONNECTING TO WATER AS WELL? UH, CURRENTLY THE, THE WATER SYSTEM IS NOT, UH, IN THE NEAR VICINITY TO THE HOME, BUT THE PUBLIC SEWER SYSTEM, THIS WAS MORE FOR MY EDUCATION, BUT I STARTED LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION AND THERE'S A CONNECTION FEE THAT TALKS ABOUT, BUT WE, UM, WHERE IT SAYS ON THE APPLICATION, THE UNDERSIGNED PROPERTY OWNER ACKNOWLEDGES, AND IT TALKS ABOUT WOULD APPLY AT THE TIME OF CONNECTION TO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
BUT WE HAVE BOTH THOSE COMPONENTS.
ARE THERE CONNECTION FEES, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
PERSONS ONLY PAYING FOR WHAT THEY'RE CONNECTING TO.
IF THE LINE COMES THROUGH WHEN THE LINE COMES THROUGH, OBVIOUSLY YES.
AND PAY A CONNECTION FEE AT THAT TIME.
MR. CHAIR, MR. PETERSON, IF I COULD JUST ONE THING REAL QUICK.
MATT, SINCE THIS PERSON WAS NOT IN, ON A LONG, UM, IS THERE A SURCHARGE OR, UH, EXTRA, UH, BUMPED TO THE FEE TO COME IN? THERE IS THERE'S A 20% ADDER, UH, TO THE STANDARD CONNECTION FEE, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN IN A DISTRICT ALL ALONG.
UH, THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE.
IT'S IN THE APPLICATION AS WELL.
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ALL RIGHT.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT TO ADD TAX MAP IN THE TCFD APPLICANTS.
CERTAINLY WELCOME TO COME UP AS WELL.
I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THAT FIRST, BUT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ANYBODY ONLINE.
THERE IS SOMEBODY THAT NOBODY'S RAISING THEIR HAND.
NOT SEEING ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION AND OR MOTION AND VOTE BOARD MEMBERS.
OR ANY DISCUSSION, WHATEVER WHATEVER'S UM, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE AMENDING COUNTY CODE SECTION 14 DASH TWO 51 TO ADD TAX MAP NUMBER 47 DASH ONE.
THAT'S 93 DASH EIGHT INTO THE TUCKO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
THANK YOU, MS. PETERSON, UM, ROLE, UH, ANY DISCUSSION ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
MR. YOUNG SUPERVISOR PETERSON.
THIS LUSHER PR UH, NUMBER THREE ON
[3. 3972: Ordinance amending County Code Section 13-10.11 (Classification of motor]
OUR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT ORDINANCE AMENDING COUNTY CODE SECTION 13 DASH 10 AND 11 CLASSIFICATION OF MOTOR VEHICLES.I THINK OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY'S GOING TO PRESENT THIS.
I AM A, THE VOTERS OF VIRGINIA PASSED A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT LAST NOVEMBER, EXEMPTING FROM PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, ONE VEHICLE OF A HUNDRED PERCENT SERVICE RELATED DISABLED VETERAN AND THE 2021 GENERAL ASSEMBLY CODIFIED THAT IN THE STATE LAW, UH, IN MARCH THAT MADE THE TAX EXEMPTION EFFECTIVE AS OF JANUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR, UM, GOOCHLAND COUNTY CODE, THE ORDINANCE SECTION THAT'S BEFORE YOU CREATED A SEPARATE CLASSIFICATION FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE OWNED BY A DISABLED VETERAN.
AND IN PRIOR YEARS, THE BOARD HAD ADOPTED A DISCOUNTED TAX RATE FOR THAT DISABLED VETS VEHICLE.
WE HAD A HALF TAX RATE THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT IN THE STATE LAW, THAT DISABLED VETS VEHICLE WILL BE COMPLETELY EXEMPT FROM PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.
WHAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A CODE AMENDMENT, WHICH ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THAT EXEMPTION EXISTS.
UM, IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADOPT THIS IN ORDER TO PUT THAT EXEMPTION IN PLACE.
IT ALREADY EXISTS, BUT BY PUTTING IT IN OUR CODE, IT LETS ANYBODY WHO'S LOOKING IN OUR LOCAL CODE FOR WHAT THEIR TAX EXEMPTION IS TO BE AWARE OF THEIR EXEMPTION WITHOUT MAKING THEM GO LOOK IN THE STATE CODE OR AT THE VIRGINIA CONSTITUTION.
SO THAT IS THE ORDINANCE, UH, BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO TAKE AWAY THE OLD CLASSIFICATION, BECAUSE IT NO LONGER HAVE A HALF TAX RATE IN AVID COMPLETE EXEMPTION AND TO REPLACE THEREFORE THAT INFORMATION FOR OUR RESIDENTS, THAT, THAT EXEMPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THEM.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, UH, BOARD MEMBERS PORTRAYED WORDS ON PAGE ONE 10 OF OUR PACKET.
YOU CAN SEE THE PART STRICKEN MR. MCGEE HAD FOLLOWS STATE LAWS AS A SURVIVING SPOUSE OF A DISABLED VETERAN DOES NOT CONTINUE.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.
SO IT'S RIGHT THERE BOARD FOR OUR CONSIDERATION, BUT IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OF MS. MCGEE, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT REGARDING CLASSIFICATION OF VEHICLES OWNED IN REGULAR USE BY DISABLED VETERAN? UM, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING MR. BOWSER, AND Y'ALL Y'ALL LET ME KNOW IF ANYBODY RAISES YOUR HAND.
NOBODY IN THE ROOM APPEARS TO BE COMING FORWARD ON THIS ONE.
SO WE'RE ROLLING RIGHT ALONG, UM, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM AND DISCUSSION ABOUT OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UM, MS. J I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COUNTY CODE THIRTEEN-TEN.ONE, ONE TO REFLECT THE RECENTLY ADOPTED STATE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR DISABLED VETERANS.
SECOND, THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON, MISS LAST COLLECT ANY
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DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, SEEING NONE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.SO, UH, NUMBER FOUR FOURTH PUBLIC HEARING IS
[4. 3980: District 1 - RZ-2021-00003 Application by Jose Luis Cruz requesting a]
A REZONING APPLICATION AND OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS GOING TO THANKS FOR THE REMINDER IS GOING TO LEAD US AN APPLICATION BY MR. CRUZ.UM, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. YOUNG DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PLANNING RELATED ITEMS. THIS EVENING IS A REZONING 2021 DASH OH THREE BY JOSE CRUZ.
UH, IT'S A REQUEST FROM A ONE ZONING TO RR RE RESIDENTIAL RURAL WITH ONE PROFFER.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE ZONING IS TO CREATE ONE ADDITIONAL LOT.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 24 64 DAVIS MILL ROAD ON THE WEST END OF THE COUNTY.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR RURAL ENHANCEMENT, AS WELL AS ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
UM, AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED A ONE AS WELL AS THIS ONE.
UM, THIS IS THE 2017 AERIAL PHOTO SINCE THAT TIME, UM, IN 2020 A HOUSE WAS BUILT ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S NOT PART OF THE, UH, AREA OF YET.
UM, SO THIS IS HOW THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY, UM, FRONTS ON DAVIS MILL ROAD.
UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE ONE PARCEL AT LITTLE OVER FIVE ACRES.
THIS IS WHERE THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 2020.
THEY WANT TO SUBDIVIDE THIS FOR ABOUT A NINE AND A HALF ACRE PARCEL, AND THERE WOULD BE A SHARED DRIVEWAY, UM, OFF OF DAVIS MILL ROAD.
UH, SO THE REASON FOR THE, UM, REZONING IS THAT ALL THE BUY RIGHTS ARE SPLIT AND THEY DO NEED TO, UM, REZONE THE PROPERTY TO, IN ORDER TO CREATE ANOTHER LOT.
UM, THE LOT SIZES IN THE RR DISTRICT ARE FIVE ACRES AND BOTH OF THESE ARE OVER 500 ACRES.
UM, THE CASH PROFFER POLICY STATES THAT, UH, REZONINGS FOR ONE ADDITIONAL LOT, DO NOT IMP, UH, INVOKE THE CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL.
SO NEW CASH PROFFERS, UM, RELATED TO THIS ZONING CASE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD BACK IN FEBRUARY, UH, SUPERVISOR SPOON, HAUER, AND PLANNING, COMMISSIONER WIRES, AND THREE RESIDENTS IN TED ATTENDED CONCERN WAS RAISED ABOUT THE FUTURE DIVISION OF THE PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, NO OTHER ISSUES CAME UP.
UH, NO ONE VOICE OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT FOR THE APPLICATION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING LAST MONTH ON APRIL 1ST, UH, THE REQUEST WAS APPROVED WITH A FIVE OF VOTE AND NO ONE SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AS THEY INDICATED THE APPLICANT DID OFFER ONE PROPERTY, UM, WHICH IS SIMILAR FOR THESE TYPES OF REZONINGS THAT THE PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE FURTHER SUBDIVIDED.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MS. HUNTER, MISS LAST CLAP.
SO THE SHARED DRIVEWAY IS THAT, HOW WOULD THAT BE DONE? IS THAT OWNED BY ONE OF THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS WITH AN EASEMENT? IT WOULD BE AN EASEMENT.
UM, THE SHARED DRIVEWAY WOULD RUN HERE AND RIDE THAT, UM, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO HAVE VERY COMMON TO HAVE SHARED DRIVEWAYS, UM, UH, PARTICULARLY IN THE RURAL AREAS.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE AN EASEMENT THAT THE LOT THAT SUBDIVIDED WOULD HAVE OVER THE FIRST.
AND THAT'S WHERE SOME DISAGREEMENTS HAPPEN OVER TIME AS WELL.
SO WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT THAT IS ALL SQUARED AWAY.
THEY RECORD AN EASEMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THEY WILL HAVE TO DO A SUBDIVISION PLAT.
AND WHEN YOU DO YOUR SUBDIVISION PLAT, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A ROAD.
AND WE WOULD VERIFY THAT, THAT THERE IS ROAD ACCESS OR AN EASEMENT TO THAT.
IF NO OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, UM, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO SPEAK IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO SPEAK? YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME ON OUT.
MISS MR. CRUZ, COME ON IN JOSE CRUZ.
I LIVE AT 24 64 TYPE OF SMITH ROAD.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CRUZ?
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THANK YOU.WELL, OPEN THE PUBLIC, HEARING ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE REZONING APPLICATION OR MR. CRUZ COME FORWARD.
IF SOMEBODY IS ONLINE AND WILL NOBODY COMING FORWARD, IT LOOKS LIKE NOBODY ONLINE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSSION MOTION BOARD.
UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVE REZONING, OUR Z DASH TWO OH TWO ONE DASH ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO THREE FOR 15.4 P 15.406 ACRES ON DAVIS DAVIS MILL ROAD FROM A ONE TO RR WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
THIS LAST QUESTION, MR. SPOON, OUR MOTION TO SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION BOARD MEMBERS SEEING NONE A ROLL CALL.
MR. CRUZ, ARE YOU TALKING TO OFF? VERY CONFIDENT.
WE'RE ROLLING ALONG TO NUMBER FIVE
[5. 3982: District 3 - RZ-2014-00004A Application by LG Courthouse LLC requesting]
AND OTHER, UM, PROPER AMENDMENTS TO A REZONING CASE, UM, HERE IN DISTRICT THREE.SO OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS LEAD US AGAIN.
AGAIN, AS MR. LUMPKINS INDICATED, THIS IS A PROPER AMENDMENT TO A 2014 REZONING CASE, UH, R Z 20 1404, A UH, FILED BY LG COURTHOUSE.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UM, IN THE COURTHOUSE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AREA.
THIS IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP.
IT'S HARD TO SEE THE RED, UM, BUT IT IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE AT RIVER ROAD WEST.
UM, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BANK, UM, AND THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE ZONING MAP SHOWS THAT THERE'S A MIXTURE OF USES IN THE COURTHOUSE.
UM, THERE'S SOME, UM, COMMERCIAL ZONING, SOME
UM, TYPICAL OF OUR COURTHOUSE VILLAGE HERE IS THE AERIAL PHOTO.
UH, THE BANK THAT I REFERENCED IS HERE.
THIS IS THE TWO-STORY, UH, BRICK BUILDING AND EXISTING BUILDINGS, ABOUT 3000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IS SOME EXISTING PARKING ALREADY ON SITE THAT SERVED THE, THE USES IN 2014.
UM, SO IN 2015, WHEN THE SITE, THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED, UH, IT WAS REZONED TO, UM, AT THAT TIME, THE ZONING DESIGNATION WAS BE TO, UM, THROUGH THE ZONING REWRITE.
WE DID CHANGE THAT JUST IN NAME, ONLY TO NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS BN, WHICH IS BUSINESS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WITH THAT ZONING, WHAT WAS PROPOSED AS A FIRST PHASE WAS THE EXISTING RESIDENCE WAS GOING TO BE CONVERTED INTO AN OFFICE USE THAT DID OCCUR.
UM, THE PLANT THEY'VE INSTALLED THE PARKING AND LANDSCAPING DID A POD FOR THAT SECTION.
THERE WAS A PROPOSAL FOR A FUTURE COMMERCIAL BUILDING ONSITE THAT PHASE TWO NEVER DID OCCUR.
UM, AND WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR IS THE APPLICANT IS INTERESTED IN DOING A COFFEE SHOP ON THE GROUND FLOOR, A SALON SALON BARBERSHOP ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, AND THEN OFFICE USE AND BASEMENT, UM, CONTINUED OFFICE USE ALSO ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND THEN THE BASEMENT AND GARAGE WOULD BE USED FOR STORAGE.
SO WHAT THIS REQUEST WOULD DO WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE ALL THE PROFFERS THAT WERE OFFERED IN THE 2014 CASE.
THEY'RE ALSO OFF AS GOING TO BE, UH, PROPOSING TO DO A 12 BY 12 EXTENSION TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UM, FOR AN, A KIT FOR, TO EXTEND THE KITCHEN.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE MINIMAL OTHER CHANGES ON SITE AS ADDING EXTRA PARKING, UM, BECAUSE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE GREATER FOR THESE USES THAN FOR THE PROPOSED OFFICE USE.
UM, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY SERVED BY COUNTY WATER.
UM, IT IS NOT, IT HAS PRIVATE SEWER.
UM, THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE TO CONNECT TO PUBLIC SEWER TO SERVE THE USES.
SO THAT'S THE PROPERTY, THE BUILDING, UM, THE DARK GRAY AREAS ARE THE ALREADY PAVED AREAS.
SO THEY HAVE ENTRANCE, UM, OFF OF SALMON SALMON, AND AS WELL AS RIVER ROAD WEST, THE BUILDING SITS HERE, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING HERE, AND THEN A SMALL ADDITION TO THE REAR TO SERVE FOR THE KITCHEN AREA.
UH, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING BACK IN FEBRUARY, UM,
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BOARD MEMBERS SPOONFLOWER AND PLANNING COMMISSION, MS. MR. MEYERS AND STAFF ATTENDED.THERE WAS NO CONCERNS IDENTIFIED AND NO CITIZENS ATTENDED THE MEETING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN APRIL.
THIS WAS RECOMMENDED FOR A FIVE A VOTE AND NO ONE SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO I'LL QUICKLY JUST DO A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE PROFFERS TO THE PROPER NUMBER ONE, UM, UH, DELETES M UH, ALL THE PREVIOUS PROFFERS FROM THE 2014 CASE.
I WILL SAY THAT THE PROFFERS THAT ARE OFFERED ARE VERY SIMILAR AND, UH, QUALITY, UM, AS TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN 2014.
SO WITH THIS REZONING, UM, THEY'RE STATING THAT THE PERMITTED USES WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE COFFEE SHOP, BARBERSHOP AND OFFICE USES SOME, SORRY.
UM, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS SHOWN THAT WOULD BE PROFFERED.
UM, THE EXISTING BUILDING WOULD REMAIN IN A RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE.
UM, ANY CHANGES WOULD BE, UM, SUBJECT TO THE DESIGN OVERLAY REVIEW, UH, LANDSCAPING WOULD BE PROVIDED, UH, THAT'S PRIMARILY AROUND THE NEW PARKING AREAS THAT WE'LL NEED TO ADD LANDSCAPING.
ALL UTILITIES WOULD BE UNDERGROUND.
UM, ALL LIGHTING WOULD BE, UH, POSITIONED TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
AND THE OPERATING HOURS WOULD BE FROM SIX TO EIGHT, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, SEVEN TO SEVEN.
UH, THE S ANY SIGN ON THE PROPERTY WOULD BE A MONUMENT STYLE SIGN, 14 SQUARE FEET AND AREA, AND NO MORE THAN SIX FEET HIGH.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, MS. HUNTER, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
SO ARE THERE ANY OUTSIDE USES WITH THE COFFEE SHOP? ANY, UM, FOLKS SITTING OUTSIDE OR PATIOS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THOUGH, AND THAT WOULD BE OKAY, RIGHT, RIGHT.
THEY DO HAVE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE.
AND I KNOW EARLY ON IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING ROCKING CHAIRS AND PEOPLE SITTING OUT THERE AND HAVING COFFEE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A PERMITTED AND THEY, IN THEORY COULD PUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SMALL PATIO OUT THERE AND PUT SOME CHAIRS AND THAT KIND OF THING I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE YEAH.
COULD, THE ONLY THING THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS IS THEY WOULD NEED PROVIDE PARKING FOR THE, IF IT'S AN EXPANDED AREA.
SO WE WOULD ADD DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, IF THEY PRO PROPOSING A PATIO AREA, WE WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHERE THERE'S PARKING ADEQUATE FOR THAT.
IS THAT THE VISA BOUND, THE BOUNDARY LINES? UM, CAN, CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT IT HIGHLIGHT IS THE BOUNDARY LINE A LITTLE WAYS OFF? YES.
THE, UH, THE, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG ROUTE SIX IN THIS AREA IS VERY IT'S WIDE WIDE.
UM, AND IN FACT, PART OF THEIR DRAINFIELD IS IN THE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE'S SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF THAT.
SO THE SIDEWALKS ARE OBVIOUSLY IN THE, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEN THEY'LL SEE THE SALMON LANE QUITE A WAYS.
SO, BUT THE APPLICANT OBVIOUSLY MAINTAINS THAT LITTLE ROADWAY ALL THE WAY OUT TO SALMON LAKE.
BUT IT'S OFTEN A PROPERTY, IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND THAT, THAT WAS BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH IN 2015, WHEN, WHEN THEY BUILT THE PARKING AREA, THEY ADDED THIS OUT AT THAT TIME, AGAIN, JUST TO EDUCATE ME A LITTLE BIT, I NOTICED WHEN YOU SHOWED THE ZONING MAP, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO TO IT.
WHEN YOU SHOWED THE ZONING MAP, YOU HAD ALL THE BE DIFFERENT COLORS, BUT I NOTICED SALMON LANE WAS GREEN, BUT THAT IN THIS CASE, THAT INDICATES PROBABLY IT'S JUST NEVER BEEN ZONED ANYTHING.
IT, IT IS, UM, THE, THE PROPERTIES BEHIND IT ARE ZONED A TWO.
UM, AND SO THAT CONNECT THAT YES, BECAUSE IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD.
IT'S PRIVATE ROAD ALL WELL, IS IT PRIVATE ROAD ALL THE WAY TO THE ROUTE SIX OR A LITTLE WAYS IN, DO YOU KNOW? UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WAS PRIVATE, BUT LET ME SEE.
I SHOULD, MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL FROM THE MAPS.
THERE'S IT DOESN'T HAVE A ROUTE NUMBER, SO I BELIEVE IT'S PRIVATE.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE, I JUST NOTICED THE RED LINE THERE.
I NOTICED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT GAP.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE ROUTE SIX IS PRETTY CONSISTENT OVER HERE, BUT THE, THE, THE EXTRA RIGHT OF WAY IS ALL ALONG THE EAST SIDE.
THANK YOU FOR FIELDING THOSE QUESTIONS.
ANY BOARD MEMBER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MS. HUNTER? OKAY.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WISHES TO SPEAK TO US.
PLEASE COME FORWARD IF YOU WANT.
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I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU.SHE DID SAY TO AIR I THROUGH IT, AND THEN HE, OR SHE, YOUR POINT OR DARVIN RIGHT THERE.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AND DARVIN SATTERWHITE 30 13 RIVER ROAD WEST.
I TELL YOU, I HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT, BUT IT WOULD BE SO REDUNDANT.
THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DID SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB, BUT THE REASON, UM, THE REASON WE'RE BRINGING THIS FOR YOU BEFORE YOU, THE PROFFERS ON THE EXISTING ZONING WAS BASICALLY OFFICE.
AND AS, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A COFFEE SHOP.
AND, UH, WE HAVE SOME ROOM LEFT, MA IT WOULD BE A VERY SMALL OFFICE.
IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING LIKE, MAYBE IT'S A CPA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT UPSTAIRS WOULD BE, UM, PERHAPS, UH, SALON BARBERSHOP, BUT THAT WOULD TAKE MOST OF THE UPSTAIRS, THE, UM, GARAGE BUILDING WE WOULD BE USING FOR STORAGE.
UM, SO THAT'S, AND THE BASEMENT AS WELL WOULD BE STORAGE.
SO, UH, DOWNSTAIRS WOULD BE THE COFFEE SHOP.
AS YOU POINTED OUT, THERE WOULD BE, UH, SOME ROOM OUTSIDE BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A NICE PORCH AROUND IT, BUT THIS IS DRIVEN SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING PROFFERS ARE SO RESTRICTED JUST TO OFFICE THAT WE NEED TO BRING THESE BACK TO OPEN IT BACK UP IF, IF WE, UH, THE BOARD, UM, PLEASES TO HAVE THESE USES.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE GOT.
UM, AND THE APPLICANTS, UM, FROM THE THEY'RE HERE AS WELL TONIGHT, IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE, WELL, THIS IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM YOUR OFFICE.
I LIKE CALM, HAPPY CLIENT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. CHAVEZ, COFFEE, SHOP COFFEE SHOP.
LET'S GO MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, OPEN THE PUBLIC, HEARING ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE AMENDMENT, UM, PROPER MINUTES TO AN OLD 2014 REZONING CASE, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND NOBODY ONLINE, NOBODY IN THE ROOM.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, DISCUSSION BOARD MOTION.
ALL RIGHT, MR. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVED PROPER MEN AT Z DASH TWO OH ONE FOUR DASH ZERO ZERO ZERO FOUR EIGHT AT THREE ZERO ZERO SIX OH ZERO.
IS THERE RIVER ROAD WEST AS PRESENTED SECOND.
THANK YOU, MR. SCOTT AND MOTION.
SO ANY DISCUSSION BOARD MEMBERS, NO DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE.
UM, WE'LL ROLL RIGHT INTO A ROLL CALL.
THANK YOU, MR. SATTERWHITE WHITE, THANKS TO THE MR. GRANT.
JODY IS WHAT'S THE NAME OF IT? OH YEAH.
[6. 3981: District 3 - CU-2021-00002 Application by Scott and Kelly Bain requesting]
THERE'S ALSO IN DISTRICT THREE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, HAWK TOWN ROAD, AND, UH, COUNTY WCAB ADMINISTRATORS ARE KIND OF PRESENT.UH, THIS IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2102 FILED BY SCOTT AND KELLY VAIN OF PURPOSES FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UH, JUST BETWEEN BROAD STREET AND THE CENTERVILLE.
I MEAN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ALL THE SURROUNDING AREAS ARE DESIGNATED RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.
UM, IT APPEARS THAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE IT CONNECTS TO WYNN CREEK DRIVE.
HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT CORRECT IT, THEY, THEY, THEY BACK UP TO IT, BUT THEY DID.
THAT'S NOT HOW THEY ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY.
THEIR ACCESS IS ACTUALLY OFF A HOP TOWN, UM, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE AREA.
UM, PROPERTY IS ZONED A TWO, UM,
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BUT THIS IS HOP TOWN ROAD.UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVE HERE THAT SERVES THIS PROPERTY, AND THEN IT COMES OUT TO HOGTOWN ROAD HERE.
THIS, UH, THE APPLICANT CURRENTLY RESIDES ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY ALSO HAVE A HORSE BARN ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD AN ACCESSORY DWELLING FAMILY DWELLING UNIT, WHERE THE AREA IS SHADED THERE.
UH, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD IN, IN FEBRUARY THREE, RESIDENTS AND STAFF WERE PRESENT.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROPOSED DWELLING, UH, NEIGHBORS EXPRESS, NO CONCERNS, AND THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, THIS REQUEST WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH A FIVE O VOTE AND NO ONE SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THESE ARE OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS FOR A, UM, UH, DETACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
UM, IT MAY BE LOCATED ON THIS PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THESE CONDITIONS.
UM, ONLY PERSONS RELATED TO A RESIDENTIAL, UH, RESIDE IN THE ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT.
THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT, UM, MRS. BAIN'S MOTHER WOULD BE RELOCATING HERE.
UH, THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE A WORKING CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTOR.
UM, ACCESS SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS.
UM, THERE IS A PROPOSED FIVE YEAR EXPIRATION DATE FOR THIS, WHICH WOULD TAKE IT TO MAY 20, 26 AND OUR STANDARD TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP CONDITION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE AS WELL.
I'M JUST CURIOUS OF WHY WE SELECTED THE FIVE YEAR.
SO WE HAVE A POLICY WITH OUR, THERE IS A POLICY FOR CUP TIME LIMITS.
UM, SO ANYTIME THEY COME THROUGH THE FIRST TIME, IT'S A FIVE-YEAR UM, ONCE THEY COME THROUGH FOR THE NEXT ONE, DEPENDING IF THERE'S BEEN ANY, UH, COMPLAINTS OR CONCERNS OR ANYTHING, THEN THERE'S AN OPTION TO EXTEND IT.
USUALLY IT'S A TEN-YEAR EXTENSION.
UM, AND THEN IT INCREASES FROM THERE.
UM, BUT THE PILOT, WE, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE NOT PICKING DIFFERENT ONES FOR DIFFERENT USES.
OUR POLICY IS FIVE YEARS FOR ALL CPS TO BEGIN WITH.
AND THEN AFTER THE FIVE YEARS, THEN WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.
UM, ANY BOARD MEMBERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST HAVE A GENERAL QUESTIONS, NOT TO THIS, BUT ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE SEE, UM, PEOPLE CAN HAVE AN ACCESSORY FAMILY UNIT FOR A FAMILY MEMBER TO LIVE IN.
I TOLD ONE OF MY PARENTS COME, THEY LIVE IN IT, MY PARENTS MOVE ON.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ACCESSORY FAMILY UNIT? I MEAN, THAT'S RIGHT.
THEY CAN COME BACK AT THAT TIME AND ASK FOR THAT CONDITION TO BE MODIFIED.
THEY CAN MODIFY THAT AND JUST TURN IT RIGHT.
WE'VE HAD OTHER ONES, UH, ONE RECENTLY APPROVED ON HOGTOWN TOWN ROAD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I MAY HAVE ZONED OUT BECAUSE I THINK NOT BECAUSE OF YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT YOU SAID FIVE.
WE'LL GET JUST OUTTA MY WAY OUT HERE.
SO NOW YOU'RE MAKING IT WORSE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT? YES.
NO ONE SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND, UH, NO CHANGES SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
UM, AND IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE AND, AND LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU, SCOTT, DO YOU HAVE PROPERTY OWNER? IT IS FOR MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, UM, DETERIORATE HEALTH ISSUES.
UM, IT MAKES IT EASIER TO TAKE CARE OF HER IF NEED BE SO SURE.
THAT'S THE INTENDED USE OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW? IT'S ABOUT ROUGHLY 850 SQUARE FOOT, SMALL HOUSE.
ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. RAY, RIGHT? NO, THANKS FOR COMING FORWARD.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS NUMBER SIX, SCOTT AND KELLY BAIN APPLICATION FOR CUP.
UM, ANYBODY PRESENT, WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS? HUH? JONATHAN LAUER, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
SORRY TO BREAK YOUR STREAK, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND CONSISTENCY, BUT AS I'VE SAT HERE AND LISTENED, I DON'T KNOW WHY AN AMENDMENT INCREASING THE CUP TO 10 YEARS.
WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE IN THIS INSTANCE.
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I HOPE THAT HIS MOTHER-IN-LAW HAS A LONG AND ENJOYABLE LIFE AND, AND JUST ARBITRARILY BECAUSE IT'S POLICY AND I UNDERSTAND POLICY.I REALLY DO, BUT I ALSO LIKE TO THINK THAT THIS BOARD CAN SOMETIMES LOOK AT SCENARIOS AND SAY, YOU KNOW, IN THIS INSTANCE, A 10 YEAR CUP WOULD PROBABLY BE APPLICABLE TO THIS.
THIS IS JUST A GOOBER CITIZEN STANDING UP AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS MIGHT MAKE SENSE IN THIS INSTANCE.
ANY OTHER PEOPLE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM AND NOBODY ONLINE TICKET.
UM, MR. BAIN, YOU, YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T ASK YOU AS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE FIVE YEARS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY REACTION TO MR. LYLES THOUGHTS? DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I MEAN, 10 YEARS OF B WILL BE PREFERABLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I KNOW IT'S AN EXCEPTION.
IT WOULD BE MAKING AN EXCEPTION FOR THIS USE.
AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO COUNTER TO WHAT THE STANDARD IS HERE.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE 10 YEARS, BUT I'M STILL OKAY WITH TIME.
AND JUST BECAUSE THIS IS BEING RECORDED, MR. BANE SAID HE DOESN'T WANT TO TRY TO BE AN EXCEPTION TO THE STANDARD AND HE'S FINE.
WITH FIVE, 10 YEARS WOULD BE FINE.
UM, BOARD MEMBERS, UM, WE FINISHED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION MOTION.
I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD GET CREDIT FOR GOING TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
RIGHT? IF ANYBODY'S WORRIED ABOUT FINDING OR, YOU KNOW, BEING I'VE DROVE AROUND FOR 30 MINUTES, SO IT'S GETTING ME, IT WILL BE OUT OF THE WAY.
SO YOU ARE HANGING OUT A LOT IN DISTRICT THREE LIKELY
UM, WE'VE HEARD ALREADY THAT WE APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 21 C U 2021 ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO TWO FOR THE DETACHED ACCESSORY HOUSING UNIT 2114 HOCK TOWN ROAD, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION, ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
IF WE COULD JUST TAKE ONE MINUTE BREAK, WE'RE GOING TO BRING EVERYBODY IN FOR THE NEXT CASE WE WERE HOLDING THEM.
I WANT A GAVEL, A OUT OR ANYTHING.
AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH PUBLIC HEARINGS, THIS IS THE SEVENTH PUBLIC HEARING AND APPLICATION BY KIMBERLY BILL HIT THE HILL REQUESTING
[7. 3988: District 1 - CU-2020-00012 - Application by Kimberly B. Hill requesting a]
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ASSEMBLY PLACE ON 97.272 ACRES ON TAP SCOTT ROAD, DISTRICT ONE.UH, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE IN THE OVERFLOW ROOM.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE HAVE SPEAKERS COME FORWARD, BUT WE ARE KEEPING THESE FRONT, THIS FRONT ROW OPEN.
SO IF, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, ONCE WE GET TO THE, TO THAT STAGE OF IT, THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, FEEL FREE TO JUST COME FORWARD AND QUEUE UP IN THOSE CHAIRS.
SO PEOPLE CAN COME UP AND ROTATE AROUND.
WE WERE THINKING OF PEOPLE IN THE OVERFLOW AND Y'ALL NEED TO LET ME KNOW IF PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR THE OVERFLOW ROOM, BUT I THINK WE CAN HANDLE IT, BUT JUST DO FEEL FREE TO COME FORWARD SO YOU CAN COME FORWARD WHEN YOU COME.
WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, LET'S GO AHEAD AND BEGIN WITH THE PRESENTATION FROM OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ON THIS APPLICATION, MS. SONDRA, GOOD EVENING AGAIN.
JOANNE HUNTER, UH, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AS MR. LUMPKINS INDICATED, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 20 2012 FILED BY KIMBERLY BURKE BURKE MARK HILL.
UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR A CAMPGROUND AND PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 34 68 TAB SCOTT ROAD IN DISTRICT ONE.
UH, THIS PRO THIS PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALL DESIGNATED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREAS, AS WELL AS ALL THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED.
A ONE, A HERE IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE IT HAS A FRONTAGE ON TAB SCOTT ROAD AND IS APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 97 ACRES.
WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROFESSED PROPOSING THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS A CAMPGROUND AND A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY USE THE TOTAL PROPERTY.
THE LIMIT WOULD BE FOUR 30, TWO GUESTS.
UM, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION WITH THE CAMPGROUND DESIGNATION.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT THE DEFINITION DEFINITION IS FROM OUR ZONING ORDINANCE PROPERTY ON WHICH TWO OR MORE CAMPSITES ARE LOCATED, ESTABLISH OR MAINTAIN FOR OCCUPANCY BY CAMPING UNITS FOR TEMPORARY LIVING QUARTERS, MEANING OCCUPANCY FOR LESS THAN 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS PERMANENT STRUCTURES.
UM, THERE WOULD BE NO RV PARKING AREAS AND NO TENT TENT SITES OR PRIMITIVE SITES PERMITTED.
UM, WITH THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEY'RE ALSO, UM, REQUESTING A USE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.
AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ARE SMALL GROUP ACTIVITIES, SUCH AS WORKSHOPS FOR UNIONS, ART AND FLORAL DESIGN CLASSES, TEAM BUILDING, YOGA, YOGA, AND SIMILAR ACTIVITIES.
UM, SO THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE ARE FOR THE CAMPGROUND THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, NINE PERMANENT STRUCTURES, SIX OF THOSE WOULD BE CABINS, AND THREE OF THOSE WERE YURTS.
AND I HAVE, UM, UH, OF WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION AND THEN THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY USE, UM, WHICH WOULD BE THE ART STUDIOS SPA, UH, FOOD PAVILION WITH CATERING KITCHEN, A LAKEFRONT PAVILION, AND A SILO STYLE OFFICE, UH, TO GREET VISITORS AND GUESTS.
SO RIGHT NOW ON SITE, THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING THAT WAS BUILT IN 2020.
UM, THERE IS A TWO STORY, 4,400 SQUARE FOOT BARN WITH LIVING QUARTERS ABOVE.
UM, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT OUTBUILDINGS AND THERE'S A FENCE PASTURE AREA.
UM, SO LIVING ONSITE, UM, EVEN AS THE, UM, AND MANAGING THE PROPERTY, UM, WOULD BE THREE OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS.
UM, THE COUNTY CODE ALLOWS THREE DWELLING UNITS BY RIGHT ON 97 ACRES.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT'S PARENTS LIVE IN THE EXISTING HOME, UH, THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2020, THE APPLICANT'S BROTHER AND FAMILY LIVE IN THE BARN APARTMENT.
AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO RESIDE IN A NEW HOUSE, UH, WHICH WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED ONSITE SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WAS SEVERAL CHANGES MADE TO THE APPLICATION.
UM, THEY DID REVISE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT CAME UP AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THEY ARE SHOWING 150 FOOT BUFFER ALONG TAPSCOTT ROAD.
UM, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, OR, AND CONCERNS ABOUT FIRE, UM, AND ADEQUACY OF, UH, PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO, UH, ADEQUATELY EXTINGUISH THEIR FIRES EVERY NIGHT.
UM, SO THEY DID LIMIT FIRE LOCATIONS TO THREE AREAS, WHICH IS ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
I'LL SHOW THAT TO YOU IN JUST A MOMENT.
THEY DID ELIMINATE THE 10 OPTION FOR A CAMPGROUND USE, AND THERE IS AN EXISTING, UH, PERIMETER FENCE ON TWO SIDES OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND THAT WAS ADDED TO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO HERE IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UM, TAP SCOTT ROAD IS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SITE.
UM, THERE WOULD BE ONE ENTRANCE HERE.
THERE'S A LARGE LAKE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS PORTION OF THE SITE WOULD BE, UM, MORE OF THE, UH, AGRICULTURAL USES, UH, FLOWER GARDENS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
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HALF OF THE SITE IS WHERE THE, UH, CABINS AND YURTS WOULD BE.UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THE BARN SILO IS.
THERE WOULD BE SOME WILDFLOWER GARDENS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THERE WOULD BE ONE FIRE RING AND LAKESIDE PAVILION WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED HERE.
AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE IS THAT BOTTOM HALF.
SO THAT WAS THE AREA THAT I WAS JUST SHOWING YOU.
UM, AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE CABINS AND YOUR IT'S LOCATED HERE.
THIS IS A, UH, PAVILION BUILDING.
THERE WOULD BE A FIRING LOCATED THERE AND THEN A FIREPLACE, UH, INSIDE THAT STRUCTURE.
THIS IS AN EXISTING VIEW OF THE SITE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE ENTRANCE AND THAT'S THE EXISTING HOME THAT WAS BUILT ON 2020, UH, SHOWING YOU THE LAKE.
UM, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF THE COTTAGES, CABINS AND YOUR IT'S THAT THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE SIX COTTAGES AND THREE YURTS.
UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE PAVILION WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE FIREPLACE, UM, STUDIO AND THEN THE SILO OFFICE LOCATED THERE.
UM, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN, UM, ABOUT THE NUMBER OF GUESTS ONSITE AND WE ALWAYS LIKE TO COMPARE, UM, AND BE CONSISTENT, UM, WITH HOW WE TREAT OTHER, UH, SIMILAR USES REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY ARE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, SO WE DID PULL THE LAST CAMPGROUND, UM, CUP, WHICH WAS APPROVED, UM, ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, WHICH OCCURRED ON CARDWELL ROAD.
UM, THAT PROPOSAL, UM, HAD AN OCCUPANCY LIMIT LIMIT OF 48 GUESTS.
UM, AND THEY DID ALLOW FIVE CAMPSITES, UH, WITH TENTS AND RVS.
THEY ALSO HAD A LARGE CABIN AREA.
UM, THEY ALSO ALLOWED RVS, UM, AND THEIR EVENT VENUE WAS FOR 75 PEOPLE.
UM, AND THAT WAS ON A PROPERTY OF 67 ACRES.
UH, COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2020, UM, ABOUT 30 RESIDENTS ATTENDED AS WELL AS MS
UM, THE SAFETY OF GUESTS, UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN GUARDS TO HUNTING AND THE NUMBER OF EVENTS AND MARKETING SANITATION AND WATER TRASH LIGHTING AT NIGHT, ALCOHOL FIREWORKS, UM, THE S AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH WAS HELD IN MARCH, UM, THIS REQUEST WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH A 41 VOTE, 12 CITIZENS SPOKE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, 11 SPOKEN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST, CITING CONCERNS WITH NOISE POLLUTION, LIGHT POLLUTION, SAFETY FIRES, ALCOHOL GROUNDWATER, CONTAMINATION, PROPERTY VALUES, TRAFFIC LITTER, AND THREATS TO WILDLIFE, AND ONE CITIZEN SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION.
UM, SO I DO WANT TO REVIEW THE CONDITIONS WITH YOU.
THESE ARE BROKEN UP INTO THREE CATEGORIES.
UM, THE FIRST GROUP IS, UH, WOULD APPLY TO THE SITE AS WHOLE, UH, WHOLE, BOTH THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY AND CAMPGROUND USES.
UM, AND THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THE MAXIMUM GUEST OCCUPANCY WOULD BE 32 PEOPLE AT ANY TIME ONSITE.
UH, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS SHOWN TO YOU, UM, IS PROFFERED.
UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO DO A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, BEFORE STARTING ANY ACTIVITIES, EMERGENCY ACCESS, INTERNAL ACCESS TO CUP ACTIVITIES SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED IN A MAIN CONSTRUCTED AND MAINTAINED IN A MANNER SATISFACTORY TO THE FIRE RESCUE AND DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, LIGHTING ALL LIGHTING MUST BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED PRIOR TO ANY LIGHTING BEING INSTALLED.
AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT, UH, CONDITION NUMBER SIX, DEALING WITH NOISE, NO AMPLIFIED SOUND OR MUSIC SHALL BE ALLOWED OUTDOORS.
THERE SHALL BE NO OUTDOOR MUSIC AFTER 10:00 PM AND SUBWOOFERS ARE PROHIBITED, AND THOSE CONDITIONS ARE PRETTY SIMILAR FOR MOST OF OUR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY USES FIREWORKS ARE ALSO PROHIBITED.
UM, NUMBER EIGHT IS A NEW CONDITION THAT SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OUTDOOR FIRE LOCATION, OUTDOOR FIRES CAN OCCUR ONLY AT THREE LOCATIONS IDENTIFIED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THOSE ARE THE THREE LOCATIONS I REVIEWED WITH YOU.
UM, GUESTS SHALL NOT HUNT OR DISCHARGE, FIREARMS, UM, SIGNS.
THEY COULD HAVE ONE DETACHED SIGN, 20 SQUARE FEET IN AREA VISIBLE
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FROM TAPSCOTT ROAD.UM, THEY WILL HAVE 150 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS, UH, AGAIN, UH, EXPIRATION, OUR TYPICAL TIMEFRAME IS A FIVE-YEAR PERMIT.
UM, SO THIS IS A FIVE-YEAR TO MAY, 2026.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S OUR STANDARD TRANSFER ELISE CONDITION.
SO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT I'M GOING TO REVIEW NOW DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY USE, UM, NUMBER 14, IT ESTABLISHES THE USE, UM, FOR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY AND IDENTIFY SOME OF THE USES THAT MAY OCCUR.
UH, THE HOURS, UH, FOR THE ASSEMBLY USES ARE DAILY FROM 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM.
UM, WHEN ALCOHOL IS SERVED, THE PROPERTY OWNERS MUST ENSURE THAT THERE'S A LICENSE FROM THE ABC, UH, DEPARTMENT, AND THAT ALL LAWS AND REGULATIONS ARE ENFORCED.
AND THEN THE ANNUALLY, THE, UM, APPLICANT WOULD PROVIDE A SCHEDULE OF ASSEMBLY ACTIVITIES, UM, TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, THE NEXT GROUP OF CONDITIONS, DETAIL, UM, WHAT CAN BE USED FOR THE CAMPGROUND USE.
SO NUMBER 18 WOULD ESTABLISH THAT USE, UM, THE CAMPSITE WOULD BE LIMITED TO NINE PERMANENT STRUCTURES.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WAS A CHANGE THEY WERE ALLOWING TO TEMPORARY, UM, CAMPSITES THAT'S BEEN CHANGED SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO AGAIN, NO RVS, NO CAMPSITES, JUST THE NINE PERMANENT STRUCTURES.
UM, AND THOSE ARE THE YURTS AND CABINS.
UM, N RVS AND TENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE USED ON THE PROPERTY FOR OVERNIGHT CONDITION OVERNIGHT ACCOMMODATION 21, THE LIMIT ON CAMPING, NO GHANA GUESTS SHE'LL STAY MORE THAN 30 CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS.
UM, NO CAMPING MAY OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY BETWEEN NOVEMBER 14TH AND JANUARY 2ND EACH YEAR, UM, THAT COINCIDES WITH, UM, DEER HUNTING SEASON, WHICH WAS A CONCERN WITH SOME OF THE ADJOINING, UM, RESIDENTS AND NO TRESPASSING IN ORDER TO NOTIFY GUESTS OF THE PROPERTIES, BOUNDARIES, NO TRESPASSING SIGNS, THEY'LL BE POSTED AND MAINTAINED ALONG ALL THE BOUNDARIES.
AND, UM, THE NOTICE ALL GUESTS MUST BE INFORMED IN WRITING OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, A LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO STAY OVERNIGHT, NO AMPLIFIED SOUND OBSERVED ALL, NO TRESPASSING SIGNS, NO HUNTING OR DISCHARGE, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A CAMPGROUND PERMIT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
UM, ONE THING I FORGOT TO SHOW YOU WHEN I HAD THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN UP WAS THE FENCE.
SO I DO WANT TO GO BACK AND SHOW YOU THAT, UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING FENCE, UH, IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT IT IS IN PINK.
SO ALONG THIS BOUNDARY, THERE IS AN UP ALONG HERE.
SO ON TWO SIDES, THERE IS AN EXISTING FENCE.
UM, SO THAT WOULD, UM, HELP WITH SOME TRESPASSING CONCERNS.
I DID WANT TO, UM, LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT, UM, WHEN WE RECEIVED THE, UM, UH, POWER POINT PRESENTATION FROM, UM, SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN RAISED, UM, WITH THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, ABOUT THIS CASE AND THAT IT WASN'T FAIR.
UM, THE SAME PRESENTATION THAT I GAVE YOU THIS EVENING, OTHER THAN BEING UPDATED WITH PLANNING, COMMISSION ACTION AND NEW ITEMS, IT'S THE SAME PRESENTATION THAT WAS SHARED, UM, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WHAT YOU SAW TONIGHT.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MS. HUNTER, HOWEVER, A LOT OF EFFORT AND TIME AND THOROUGH PRESENTATION.
UH, QUESTIONS LOOKING INTO THIS WAY FIRST.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM HERE, GENTLEMEN? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYTHING LET'S START REAL QUICK.
THANK YOU, MS. HUNTER, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, DURING THE PLANNING HEARING, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF CONVERSATION AROUND PARKING, BUT DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS, OR I MAY HAVE MISSED IT.
SO WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE, UM, UH, PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, PARKING WILL BE ESTABLISHED BASED ON OCCUPANCY.
UM, THE, OUR PARKING, UH, REQUIREMENTS ARE ONE PER FOUR.
SO WITH A LIMIT OF 32 PEOPLE, UM, THEY WOULD ONLY NEED EIGHT PARKING SPACES.
UM, AND THEN, UH, PROBABLY A FEW OTHERS FOR EMPLOYEES.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT 12 THAT'S RIGHT.
SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU, UH, UNDER,
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UH, UNDER THE, LET'S GO BACK OVER HERE TO THE, TO THE CAMP GROUNDS, ITEM 20, UH, RVS AND TENTS, RVS AND TANS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE USED ON THE PROPERTY FOR OVERNIGHT ACCOMMODATION.SO IS THERE ANY PRO UH, ARE THEY PROHIBITED FROM USING RVS TO STAY 30 DAYS MORE THAN OVERNIGHT? YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO STAY IN AN RV OVERNIGHT? HOW ABOUT RIGHT NOW, BEFORE THIS IS APPROVED, SOMEONE'S LIVING IN AN RV.
IS THAT APPROVED YET? UH, YOU, YOU CAN NOT LIVE IN A RV OR TRAILER IN GOOCHLAND THAT HAS, YOU HAVE TO, IT HAS TO BE A PERMANENTLY, A FIXED.
SO UNDER THE, UM, PLACES OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, UM, ARE WEDDINGS ALLOWED? UM, THEY, IF THEY WERE LESS THAN 32 PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T WANT AMPLIFIED MUSIC, UM, IT WOULD FALL UNDER A PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.
UH, THE, UH, CAMPING, NO GUESTS SHE'LL STAY OVERNIGHT ON THE PROPERTY FOR MORE, MORE THAN 30 CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS.
SO SOMEONE CAN STAY FOR 30 NIGHTS, GO AWAY FOR A DAY AND COME BACK FOR ANOTHER 30 THE WAY THAT'S WRITTEN.
WE USE THAT SAME CONDITION LANGUAGE WITH OUR SHORT TERM RENTALS AND, UM, OUR CRAMP GROUNDS AND THE INTENT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO THESE TO BE QUASI LIVING SPACES.
YES, BECAUSE THE INTENT IS NOT TO BASICALLY LIVE THERE.
AND NOW THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT STANDARD, THAT STANDARD, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THAT'S THAT TRANSIENT LODGING, UM, IS SORT OF A, A WORD OF ART OR A STATE CODE.
IT'S A THIRD, THE 30 DAYS THAT'S WITH A HOTEL OR ANYTHING.
OCCUPANCY IS STILL CONSIDERED TRANSIENT.
UNDER, UM, THE ALL CUP ACTIVITIES, ACTUALLY ITEM ONE OCCUPANCY LIMIT, THE MAXIMUM GUESTS OCCUPANCY ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY AT ANY TIME FOR ALL CUP ACTIVITY IS 32.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RETREAT, A STUDIO, OR THE STUDIO, OR A YOGA CLASS, WHATEVER.
UH, IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE A GROUP THERE IN THE MORNING OF SAY 30 MAXIMUM A GROUP IN THE AFTERNOON AND ANOTHER GROUP IN THE EVENING.
IF THEY AT ANY ONE TIME, THEY DON'T HAVE MORE THAN 32.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO YOU COULD HAVE A HUNDRED CARS OR HOWEVER MANY CARS THAT WOULD GO WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE ON THE ROADS.
IF THERE WERE ENOUGH EVENTS THAT DAY, IS THAT CORRECT? THE WAY THE USE HAS BEEN DESCRIBED TO ME, AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK THIS, THE APPLICANT, THIS QUESTION IS THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE TAKING GUESTS IN JUST FOR A CLASS.
IT'S USUALLY PEOPLE COMING FOR THE WEEKEND.
UM, BUT, BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, BUT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS AT ANY ONE TIME, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY MORE THAN 32 PEOPLE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD NEVER HAVE AN EVENT THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T SPENDING THE NIGHT.
UM, I, I THINK YOU NEED TO VERIFY THAT WITH THE APPLICANT.
DOES IT, DOES IT FOR ME FOR NOW? YES.
I JUST HAVE ONE REAL QUICK QUESTION.
UM, CAN INDIVIDUALS RENT THESE CABINS OR IS THIS GROUP ONLY GROUP ONLY? THEY SAID NO AIRBNB OR ANYTHING.
IT WOULD JUST BE THROUGH GROUPS IN THE PROFFER SOMEWHERE THAT IS NOT IN THE CONDITIONS.
UM, MS. MCGEE CAN PROBABLY WHIP UP A CONDITION PRETTY QUICKLY.
THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. CHAIR.
JUST TO ME, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA DO, YOU KNOW, OTHER GROUPS DO THIS, WHERE SOMEBODY COMES IN FOR AN AFTERNOON AND, AND, AND THEY MAKE, UM, A MUSHROOM LOGS AND THEY GET 18.
PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND, AND THEY DO A CLASS.
I DID ONE OUT HERE NOT LONG AND GOT A LOG TO PRODUCE REALLY NICE MUSHROOMS FOR AWHILE.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S CLASSES LIKE THIS.
IT'S NOT, I DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF FACILITY WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE COME IN IN THE MORNING TO DO SOMETHING IN THE GROUP.
AND IN THE AFTERNOON, ANOTHER GROUP AT NIGHT CYCLING THROUGH LIKE THAT, IT'S MORE
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LIKE YOU MAY END UP HAVING A CLASS ON FLOWER ARRANGING.YOU MAY HAVE A CLASS ON WRITING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST A HAVEN FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND ENJOY THE SCENERY.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE IT AS, AND I MAY BE INCORRECT, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE IT AS SOMETHING WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE CONSTANTLY PEOPLE FLOWING AND TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE SPENDING THE NIGHT IT'S EVEN BETTER.
SO WE WILL, UM, IF THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS FROM CENTER WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, AND IF YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THE SIX O'CLOCK, UH, I KNOW THIS WOULDN'T START UNTIL SIX 30 AT SIX O'CLOCK.
I JUST, UH, WE DID A QUICK INTRODUCTION TO NEW SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE.
UM, PLEASE KNOW, WHEN YOU COME FORWARD AND SPEAK, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE, GO AHEAD AND TAKE A MASK OFF.
THAT'LL HELP US UNDERSTAND YOU.
AND ALSO WE HAVE SOFTWARE THAT IS RECORDING YOU.
CAN WE INTRODUCE THAT TODAY? SO IT HELPS THE SOFTWARE HELPS US UNDERSTAND, AND IT CERTAINLY, UM, CAUSE THESE MEETINGS YOU'RE ON A CAMERA BEHIND ME AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE BEING RECORDED.
SO, UH, AGAIN, I SAID EARLIER, WHEN WE GET THE PUBLIC HEARING, COME ON FORWARD AND WE'LL ROTATE THROUGH FOR NOW.
WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
AND WILL YOU WANT THE VIDEO? WE'LL CONTINUE ON.
WE'RE READY FOR THE VIDEO, I GUESS.
DO YOU WANT US TO START THE VIDEO? DO YOU WANT TO START THE VIDEO? YEAH, I'LL START IT.
IF YOU CAN JUST GET IT UP THERE AND THEN IF YOU WILL USE THAT THAT'S FORWARD AND THAT'S YOUR LASER.
CAN WE START IT OVER? LITTLE LIGHTER.
MR. CHAIRMAN, HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, COUNTY STAFF.
CITIZENS AND OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
MY NAME IS KIM HILL AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY TO TELL YOU ABOUT OUR FAMILY DREAM.
AROUND FIVE YEARS AGO, I EMBARKED ON A MISSION TO BRING THREE GENERATIONS OF OUR FAMILY TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN LIVE A QUIET, SIMPLE, YET PRODUCTIVE LIFE.
AFTER MANY YEARS OF BEING SCATTERED AROUND THE COUNTRY, MY BROTHER RETIRED FROM THE AIR FORCE, UM, AND HE WAS NOT HAPPY WITH CORPORATE LIFE.
MY PARENTS WERE RETIRED IN ARIZONA AND THEY WERE EAGER TO SPEND TIME WITH THEIR GRANDCHILDREN.
AND I WAS LIVING IN FLORIDA, RAISING MY GIRLS AND WOULD SOON BECOME AN EMPTY NESTER.
THE TIMING WAS RIGHT TO COME TOGETHER FINALLY, BUT THE QUESTION REMAINED WHERE FIVE YEARS AGO, I'VE BEEN VISITING FOR YEARS.
I'VE BEEN VISITING FRIENDS AND FAMILY IN THIS PART OF VIRGINIA.
AND IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN CLOSE TO MY HEART.
AND WHEN MY FAMILY AGREED TO JOIN ME ON THIS ADVENTURE, WE STARTED LOOKING FOR LAND IN 2016.
FINALLY, FINALLY, WE FOUND THE PERFECT PLACE.
98 ACRES OF BEAUTIFUL UNDEVELOPED LAND LAID OUT BEAUTIFULLY IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY ON TAB SCOTT ROAD, SINCE THE PURCHASE, WE'VE MADE MANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY AND IS NOW HOME TO MY PARENTS, AS WELL AS MY BROTHER AND HIS FAMILY.
I AM SCHEDULED TO JOIN THEM NEXT MAY WHEN MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER, SOPHIE GRADUATES HIGH SCHOOL IN FLORIDA.
AND NOW I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WELCOME YOU TO OUR HOME, SHOW YOU THE PROGRESS THAT WE HAVE MADE THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SOME MINIMAL CLEARING IN FRONT TO CREATE A MORE WELCOMING ENTRANCE AND PRETTY PASTURE.
OUR GOAL IS TO IMPROVE ON THE PROPERTY, THE BEAUTY OF THE PROPERTY WHILE MAINTAINING THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA FEATURED HERE ARE STRUCTURES.
WE'VE ALREADY BUILT THE MAINTENANCE GARAGE.
WE'VE DESIGNATED AREAS FOR MY FEATURE FLOWER FARMING ENDEAVOR.
THE GREENHOUSE IS IN PROGRESS.
THE GRANNY HOUSE IS WHERE MY PARENTS LIVE AND THE BARN IS WHERE MY BROTHER LIVES UPSTAIRS IN THE APARTMENT.
THERE'S A HORSE PASTURE AND A FENCED IN ORCHARD
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AND LOCATED THERE AT THE END IS THE FUTURE LOCATION OF THE RETREAT SPACE NEXT TO THE LAKE, BESIDES BEING AN ARTIST AND AN INVENT EVENT PLANNER, I HAVE A PASSION FOR FLOWERS AND WE ARE DEDICATING TWO ACRES OF FARMING, ESPECIALLY CUT FLAT SPECIALTY CUT FLOWERS THAT CAN BE SOLD TO LOCAL EVENT FLORIST USED IN OUR CLASSES, OR SIMPLY TO MAKE SURE OUR GUESTS ARE ALWAYS GREETED WITH FRESH FLOWERS IN THEIR CABINS.AND OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT THE TYPE OF FACILITY WE WILL BE IN THE CLIENTELE WE WILL HOST.
BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST THING TO KNOW IS THAT WE WILL NOT BE A TYPICAL CAMP GROUND, EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE CLOSEST CATEGORY.
WE WILL ONLY HOST GROUPS OF INDIVIDUALS GETTING TOGETHER FOR A COMMON PURPOSE, NOT RANDOM INDIVIDUALS IN RVS TENSE OR SINGULAR AIRBNB RENTALS.
WE WILL BE HOSTING CORPORATE MEETINGS, ART WORKSHOPS OF ALL KINDS, CHURCH RETREATS, FAMILY REUNIONS, AND LOCAL DAYTIME CLASSES FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS.
WE WILL WORK WITH OUR EVENT ORGANIZERS OR GROUP LEADERS PERSONALLY, AND THEY WILL KNOW UPFRONT THE DO'S AND DON'TS OF OUR FACILITY, WHICH OF COURSE WILL COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS OF OUR PERMIT.
THEY WILL BE SIGNING A CONTRACT ACKNOWLEDGING THESE RULES.
WE ALSO BELIEVE WE CAN BE A BENEFIT NOT ONLY TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY, THROUGH BRINGING MUCH NEEDED AGRITOURISM FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA, BUT ALSO A VALUABLE RESOURCE FOR LOCAL GOOCH LENDERS THROUGH DAYTIME CLASSES, PROVIDING DAYTIME MEETING SPACE AND ACCOMMODATION FOR LOCAL FAMILY REUNIONS AND CHURCH GROUPS.
NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU THE FUTURE HOME OF GREEN AND CLOVER.
AS WE MOVE IN CLOSER TO THE LAKE SHORE, YOU WILL SEE AN APPROXIMATION OF WHAT WE ANTICIPATE BUILDING NEXT TO THE LAKE.
THE STUDIO WILL BE THE LARGEST STRUCTURE HOUSING, ALL INDOOR MEETINGS AND CLASSES ALSO FEATURED OR A YEAR TO HOUSE THE SPA AND ONE TRADITIONAL COTTAGE IN THIS LOCATION.
AND NOW IN THIS ANIMATION, YOU'LL SEE THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF ALL THE RETREAT STRUCTURES.
CAREFUL CONSIDERATION WILL BE TAKEN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ONLY CLEAR WHAT IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE AREA.
AND THAT'S, THE STRUCTURES ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM TAPSCOTT ROAD.
EVERYTHING WILL BE CONNECTED WITH WALKWAYS PATHS AND EVEN A BOARDWALK WHEN NECESSARY TO ENSURE GUEST COMFORT AND SAFETY, THESE PICTURES MORE OR LESS SHOW WHAT THE STRUCTURES WOULD LOOK LIKE.
LUXURIOUSLY APPOINTED AND BEAUTIFULLY DECORATED, LESS THAN 10% OF THE ENTIRE 98 ACRE PROPERTY IS NEEDED TO DEVELOP THE RETREAT SPACE.
NO STRUCTURES WILL BE LOCATED CLOSER THAN 150 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND NO STRUCTURES WILL BE VISIBLE FROM TAB SCOTT ROAD, HELPING TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
OUR GOALS ARE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BE AN ASSET TO GOODSON COUNTY, GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY.
HOWEVER, WE CAN JOIN THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY BY PROMOTING AGRITOURISM, BE A FAIR WAGE EMPLOYER AND WORK WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES IN A SYMBIOTIC MANNER.
YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE LISTENED TO EACH AND EVERY CONCERN BROUGHT FORTH BY THE COUNTY AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND WE HAVE CONSIDERED EACH ONE CAREFULLY TO THAT END.
WE HAVE DESIGNED A RETREAT THAT WILL BE QUIET IN NATURE WITH OUR 32 PERSON GUESTS LIMIT GATHERING FOR A SHARED PURPOSE, ASSURING AN ORGANIZED AND WELL CONTROLLED EXPERIENCE.
WE HAVE AGREED TO NO AMPLIFIED SOUNDS NO FIREWORKS OR SHOOTING GUNS BY OUR GUESTS.
AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED THE LAYOUT OF THE RETREAT TO PROVIDE VERY LITTLE IMPACT TO THE RURAL NATURE OF THE AREA.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY OUR CUP, WE ARE PROVIDING NIGHTTIME SECURITY TO BE SURE THAT THE NOISE LEVELS ARE LOW.
THE CAMPFIRES ARE EXTINGUISHED AND OUR GUESTS AND NEIGHBORS FEEL SAFE AND SECURE.
THIS IS OUR HOME TOO, AFTER ALL, AND WE WANT IT TO BE SAFE AS WELL.
OUR LIGHTING DESIGN WILL BE NICE, GUY COMPLIANT LIKE YOU JUST HEARD.
AND ACCORDING TO THE CUP AND WILL BE PRE-APPROVED BEFORE, BEFORE INSTALLATION, WE HAVE AGREED TO CLOSE OUT OUR PROPERTY TO OVERNIGHT GUESTS DURING HUNTING SEASON, NOVEMBER 14 THROUGH JANUARY 2ND, IN RESPONSE TO OUR SHARED CONCERN FOR SAFETY ALSO IN RESPONSE TO CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASED LITTER.
OUR FAMILY IS PROUD TO SAY THAT WE HAVE OFFICIALLY ADOPTED 2.3 MILES OF TAPSCOTT ROAD THROUGH V DOTS, ADOPT A HIGHWAY PROGRAM AND HAVE ALREADY CONDUCTED OUR FIRST BIG CLEANUP BECAUSE OF LOW GUEST COUNTS.
ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IS NOMINAL AND WE WILL PROVIDE TURN AHEAD SIGNS TO KEEP TABS SCOTT ROAD SAFE.
THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY IS FENCED ON TWO SIDES AND IS CLEARLY MARKED ON ALL SIDES.
SO GUESTS WILL HAVE NO CONFUSION ABOUT WHERE THE RETREAT LAND ENDS.
IF AFTER THE PRESENTATION, ANYONE HAS ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
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GARY SCOTTO FROM COONS, BRIAN JOHNSON AND WILLIAMS, OUR ENGINEERING FIRM TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS.AGAIN, IT IS OUR FAMILY'S MISSION TO BECOME A VALUABLE ASSET TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY, A VALUED MEMBER OF ITS AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY AND A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
CAN I GIVE A SECOND IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL, BUT YOU'RE NOT STANDING IN FOR A MINUTE TRY.
AND IF YOU NEED TO BRING IT, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY, AN ENGINEER ARCHITECT GUY, IF WE CAN CALL HIM UP.
SO, UM, LET'S START WITH MR. CLASS CLAP.
SO, UM, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WERE SORT OF TWO OPERATIONS, A DAYTIME OPERATION AND A CAMPGROUND OPERATION.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT MS. HUNTER INDICATED.
SO CAN YOU GET ME STRAIGHT? I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE A VALUE TO LOCAL GOOSH LENDERS.
IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN, BRING IN THEIR RETREATS, BUT ALSO A PLACE WHERE I CAN OFFER KIDS ART CLASSES SAY ONCE A WEEK, OR MAYBE I CAN DESIGN A CLASS FOR FLOWER ARRANGING THAT LOCALS MIGHT LIKE TO COME IN AND TAKE PART IN.
SO, UM, I THINK IT COULD BE A NICE VALUE TO THE CITY AND TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO YOU, SO YOU COULD HAVE A CLASS IN THE MORNING CLASS IN THE AFTERNOON, THEN PEOPLE SPENDING THE NIGHT.
WELL, IF I HAD THAT KIND OF ENERGY, I SUPPOSE, BUT I, I, I WANT TO CHILL KIND OF BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ALL ABOUT CRANKING OUT CLASSES.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, UM, THAT BEING SAID, I WANT SOME ACTIVITY BY FARM AS WELL.
SO HOW IMPORTANT IS THE OVERNIGHT GUESTS PART OF THE BUSINESS TO YOU? VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
OTHER QUESTIONS, BOARD MEMBERS, I THINK, I THINK GIVE US A SECOND.
CAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE, CAUSE HAVE, HAS THIS BEEN SHARED WITH OTHERS? WAS THIS AVAILABLE BEFORE TONIGHT? IT'S UH, NEW AND IMPROVED VERSION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION GOT THEM.
UM, YEAH, BUT I, NO, IT'S JUST BEEN UPDATED A LITTLE BIT, BUT THIS IS, THIS HAS BEEN INFORMATION IS CONSISTENT.
UM, IF THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I MIGHT ASK A QUESTION OR TWO.
I, UM, I THINK SOMEBODY SAID THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 2020.
DID I HEAR THAT IN THE PRESENT? MAYBE AN MS. HUNTER'S PRESENTATION.
MY QUESTION IS, HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN IN THE WORKS? AND YOU MAY HAVE SAID ALREADY, WE BOUGHT IT IN 2018.
UM, BUT OUR BUILDER TOOK A YEAR AND A HALF TO GET THAT HOUSE DONE.
THE BARN WENT UP IN FOUR MONTHS, SO I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I SEE CRANE AND CLEVER RETREAT INC.
WAS FORMED, UM, IN OCTOBER OF 2018.
SO THIS HAS BEEN PART OF THE, PART OF YOUR PLAN SINCE THE BEGINNING.
SO YOU'VE BEEN OUT OF THE FRUIT SINCE 2018, END OF 2018.
WE HAVE BEEN DREAMING AND DRAWN AND HOPING AND TRYING TO FIND A WAY FOR, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE, EARN A LIVING IN A PEACEFUL SETTING ALTOGETHER TO BE TOGETHER AGAIN.
AND THIS IS THE IDEA THAT WE CAME UP WITH, I THINK.
LIKE YOU DESCRIBED IT, YOU HAVE A BROTHER THAT'S RETIRED FROM, FROM THE AIR FORCE.
HE DIDN'T LIKE THAT CORPORATE LIFE.
SO IF WE'RE DONE WITH ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO PRESENT TO US, WE'LL PROBABLY MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR FROM HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY.
WE'LL START INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
COME FORWARD, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
IF YOU WOULD LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
UM, IF THERE WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE PROCESS, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SHARE THEIR TIME, BUT I DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THAT UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS ONE PERSON THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR A BUNCH OF FOLKS, WE'LL JUST START IT OUT, SIR.
COME ON UP AND WHOEVER, WHOEVER WANTS TO COME UP NEXT, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SIT IN THE FRONT ROW, THAT THAT WORKS TOO GOOD EVENING.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS HOWARD MALE AND, UH, I LIVE AT 57 OH ONE MAYO LAKE CRAB, COLUMBIA FOR VIRGINIA,
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AND, UH, UM, COOL.DEVOTE MY TIME TO MODERATE MALE.
AND, UH, I AM OPPOSED TO A LOT OF THE CONDITIONS THAT SHE WILL POINT OUT.
SO YOU'RE GIVING YOUR TIME TO JUST SAY MARGIE TO BADRA MALE RIGHT HERE.
COULDN'T SEE IT THROUGH THE SCREEN.
SO IT'S FIVE IT'S FIVE MINUTES AND ENOUGH TIME.
SO WE'LL ASK MR.
THIS IS, UH, MY NAME IS MARJORIE MAYO.
I RESIDE AT 5,700 MALE LAKE DRIVE NEXT TO THE PROPERTY, THE HILL PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS THE PRESENTATION THAT WE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN MARCH WITH A FEW.
I TRIED TO WATER IT DOWN SOME, UM, SO LET'S SEE.
UM, I'M GLAD MS. UH, THE LADY MS. HILL MENTIONED, UH, THE FACT THAT WE WERE UPSET, UH, AFTER WE ATTENDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, ABOUT HOW THE, UH, PLAN WAS PRESENTED.
UM, ONE OF THE TOP CONCERNS IS THE MANNER ON HOW MR. COLEMAN, UH, PRESENTED THE PLAN.
WE FELT THAT HE PRE, HE REPRESENTED AN UNFAIR BIAS IN FAVOR OF THE CUP.
UM, HE HAD THIS ENTHUSIASM ABOUT IT, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT WE FELT LIKE THAT IT WASN'T A NEUTRAL THING.
UH, MS. HUNTER WAS PRESENTING FACTS WHERE MR. COLEMAN, WE FELT LIKE WAS, UH, MARKETING THE PROJECT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS SURPRISING AND UPSETTING TO US.
AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL WERE AWARE OF THAT.
NOW WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN OVER THESE BEFORE.
I'M JUST GOING TO QUICKLY GO OVER THEM, THE OPPOSITION, THE REASONS FOR OPPOSITION.
UM, WE DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT, UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONAL USES IS GOING TO BE DESIGNATED AS A CAMP AROUND, UM, THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE FEEL LIKE IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT ALL THESE, THE STRUCTURES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT UP.
THESE CABINETS IN EUROPE AND OTHER PROPOSED BUILDINGS, EACH CABIN IN ART, UH, AND OTHER PROPOSED MEETING SPACES ARE DESIGNED TO HAVE ITS OWN PLUMBING.
AND HOW IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT AIR OR WELL WATER AND, UH, GROUNDWATER.
WE FELT LIKE THE TRAILS WERE TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINES.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT GUESTS TRESPASSING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND OF COURSE THE HUNTING THING IS AN ISSUE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I MEAN, IT'S GREAT THAT THEY'RE RECOGNIZING THE HUNTING SEASON, THE DEER HUNTING SEASON, BUT THERE'S OTHER SMALL GAME HUNTING SEASONS AS WELL.
AND WE DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT WILDFIRES FROM UNATTENDED CAMPFIRES.
UM, THE PROPOSED NUMBER OF GUESTS THIS CAME UP TONIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S MORE THAN ONE EVENT IN A DAY, I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE 96 GAS, YOU COULD HAVE A HUNDRED AND SOME GUESTS IN ONE GIVEN DAY THAT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE ACTIVITY, UH, FOR ONE DAY.
AND IT, AND, AND THEN THE BULLET POINTS TO FOLLOW WOULD, UH, CERTAINLY ENHANCE THOSE.
THE ROADS IN THE AREA ARE NOT DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, GOSH, Y'ALL KNOW HOW THE ROADS ARE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, ESPECIALLY IN THE WESTERN END OF THE COUNTY, TAP SCOTT AND COMMUNITY HOUSE ROADS ARE THE WORST.
UM, OF COURSE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ALCOHOL USE AND DRUNK DRIVING AND, UH, THE CONCERN OF NOISE POLLUTION DURING THE EVENTS AND FROM OVERNIGHT GUESTS, OF COURSE, LITTER IS ALREADY A PROBLEM.
UM, BUT WE FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE ENHANCED WITH THE INCREASE IN ACTIVITY AND CONCERN FOR THE DISRUPTION OF FARMLAND AND THE PEACEFUL AND TRANQUIL ENVIRONMENT.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE JUST OPPOSED TO ANY BUSINESS OPERATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE ANY CONDITIONS OR
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MODIFICATIONS TO THE A1C ZONING.UM, RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE A MAP.
THE RED DOTS ARE THE HOMEOWNERS PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THIS CONDITION, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND THEN WE HAVE 75 SIGNATURES ON THE PETITION THAT OPPOSE THE CONDITIONAL USE OF IT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA TAKE LONGER THAN THAT.
MY NAME IS LYNN LONEY 57 22 MEGA LAKE DRIVE.
I OPPOSE THE REZONING AT 34 68 TAP SCOTT ROAD FROM AWAN AGRICULTURE TO COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE.
MS. HILL PURCHASED THE SAID PROPERTY FOUR YEARS AGO.
SHE KNEW OF ITS RAW RURAL ZONING.
HOWEVER, THIS GAVE HER NO QUALMS. IT WAS JUST A MERE TECHNICALITY FOR WHICH HE COULD EASILY OVERCOME HIRING A LAWYER, A GROUNDS, SURVEYOR, A TRANSPORTATION EXPERT.
SHE SET TO WORK CONSTRUCTING A LODGE PAVILION AND A BOND TO ENHANCE HER CHANCES OF GETTING THE REZONING.
IF YOU BUILD, THEY WILL HAVE TO APPROVE, WHICH WAS USED AS A PSYCHOLOGICAL ADVANTAGE.
MS. HILL'S BUSINESS VENTURE CONSISTS OF MANY BUSINESSES ROLLED INTO A HUMONGOUS ENTERPRISE.
HER VISION INCLUDES RETREAT MEETINGS, POP POWER, POTTERY WORKSHOPS, ART CLASSES, GROWING AND SELLING FLOWERS, FLORAL DESIGN CLASSES, CREATIVE WRITING SELF-HELP CLASSES, YOGA, MEDITATION CLASSES, MASSAGE THERAPY, CLASSES, FAMILY REUNIONS, CHURCH GROUPS, BUT NO WEDDING CEREMONIES.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD ONLY WEDDING PARTIES, BUT NO CEREMONIES.
THERE WAS A FEW THINGS THAT CHANGED, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY CLASSES A DAY THAT MS. HILL WILL SET UP, PROBABLY AS MANY AS SHE CAN.
CAN THAT NUMBER OF MAXIMUM OF PATRONS CLIENTS, PATIENTS, PUPILS, ET CETERA, WAS 50.
NOW I HEARD IT'S 32, BUT ANYWAY, HOWEVER, IT SOUNDS LIKE ONE GROUP OF PARTICIPANTS WOULD LEAVE AFTER THEIR CLASS.
BUT ANOTHER GROUP OF PARTICIPANTS FOR A DIFFERENT CLASS COULD BE COMING ALL DAY.
AS LONG AS THE CLASSES ARE OFFERED.
AND I DON'T THINK MS. HILL COULD DO ALL OF THEM.
SHE COULD HIRE PEOPLE TO DO THEM.
SO THEREFORE THERE COULD BE A LOT MORE CLASSES.
THE MAXIMUM 50 AT ONE TIME DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION JUST HOW MANY CARS WOULD BE GOING BACK AND FORTH ON A WINDY TAP SCOTT ROAD TO ATTEND THESE MANY PUBLIC CLASS OFFERINGS, SUCH A MYRIAD OF CAUSE CANNOT BE KNOWN A TOTAL DISASTER FOR A ROADS AND THE QUIET NATURE OF OUR EXISTING COMMUNITY.
THE NUMBERS ON THEIR ESTIMATE OF TRAFFIC SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT THE YURTS CABINS FAMILY GLOW GOINGS IN AND OUT, NOT THE DAILY CHURNING OF THE CLASSES MS. HILL FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, AND YES WAS DETERMINED TO FULFILL HER DREAM.
MS. HILL COULDN'T ENVISION HER DREAM ANYWHERE NEAR ANY COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE.
SHE WAS DETERMINED TO PUT HER COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IN OUR PRISTINE A ONE RURAL AREA.
HER OPERATION IS A WALT DISNEY EXTRAVAGANZA.
THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL DISASTER WOULD DESTROY OUR RURAL.
SO ON BEHALF OF ALL OF THE 75 NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE THAT SIGNED THE PETITION AGAINST REZONING, I ASKED THAT YOU THOUGHTFULLY WEIGH THE IMPORTANCE OF YOUR VOTE THAT WILL AFFECT THE LIVES OF SO MANY RESIDENTS.
SO PLEASE DO NOT REWARD MS. HILL A COMMERCIAL ZONING MS. HILL IN HER FOURTH GENERATION FAMILY SHOULD ENJOY THAT BIG PAVILION.
THEY, THAT THEY HAVE BUILT AND HAVE MANY PARTIES AND FAMILY MEALS TOGETHER.
THEY CAN GROW THEIR FLOWER BUSINESS AND STORE AND ARRANGE THE FLOWERS FROM MY POCKET AND THAT BEAUTIFUL BARN TIME'S UP.
THE WHOLE FAMILY CAN ENJOY THE BEAUTIFUL
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RURAL PROPERTY AS A ONE ZONED, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE REST OF US TO DO THE SAME.MY NAME IS MICHAEL MALONEY, 52 57, 22 MAYO LAKE DRIVE COLUMBIA.
I CAN'T TALK MY WIFE'S PRESENTATION.
SHE, SHE EXPRESSED PRETTY WELL.
THE FEELINGS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THE QUESTION IS IF EVERYONE WHO SIGNED THE PETITION OPPOSING THIS REZONING WAS SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE.
WHAT WOULD YOU SEE? WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS A ROOM FULL OF COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
WE WOULD BE THE INNOCENT VICTIMS OF THE COMMERCIALIZATION OF OUR DISTRICT.
THAT PLEASE BE AWARE THAT NOT EVERYONE THAT OPPOSES THIS REZONING IS FROM DISTRICT ONE, OTHERS REALIZE AND ARE OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE THEY REALIZE THAT IF THE MORE, MOST RURAL DISTRICT IN THE COUNTY CAN BE COMMERCIALIZED THAN ANY PROPERTY IN THEIR BACKYARD COULD BE REZONED AND COMMERCIALIZED TO AT THE MARCH 4TH PLANNING BOARD MEETING MR. COLEMAN, COMPARED THIS CAMPGROUND REZONING TO THE REZONING.
YOU DID LAST YEAR ON CARDWELL DRIVE WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT IF YOU APPROVE THAT CAMPGROUND, YOU MIGHT AS WELL APPROVE THIS ONE TOO.
HOWEVER, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
FIRST OF ALL, THE CARDWELL PROPERTY WAS A LOT SMALLER THAN THIS.
THE CHORD BULL PROPERTY, UH, IS RIGHT CLOSE.
WELL, NOT RIGHT CLOSE, BUT IT'S CLOSE TO SHORT PUMP.
UH, WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, THE PROPERTY WAS ALREADY ON THE LEADING EDGE OF A HUGE RAPIDLY EXPANDING COMMERCIAL MEGAPLEX IN SHORT PUMP.
AND LASTLY, THE PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY ORIGINALLY ZONED DAY TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, WHICH MEANS IT WAS RIGHT FOR DEVELOPMENT.
ANYWAY, THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A MUCH LARGER IT'S WAY OUT IN THE BOONDOCKS.
AND, UH, IT'S SEWN A ONE AGRICULTURAL.
WE LIVE WHERE WE LIVE FOR THE PEACE AND TRANQUILITY.
THIS REZONING, IT FOR PROOF WILL TRANSFORM OUR WAY OF LIFE.
THIS PROJECT GOES WAY BEYOND RURAL ENHANCEMENT.
IT IS IN FACT, THE LARGE COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE.
FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL A PROPOSED ACTIVITY, BUT WHEN DID THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED ACTIVITIES WAS, UH, WAS A MASSAGE THERAPY THAT REQUIRES STATE LICENSES AND STATE OVERSIGHT.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ENHANCEMENT.
THEREFORE I URGE, YOU KNOW, I EMPLOY YOU NOT TO APPROVE THIS REZONING.
IT'S SO FAR REACHING AND IT'S SO INTRUSIVE TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
MY NAME IS JIM HACKER AND I LIVE AT FIVE OH FIVE MEADOWVIEW LANE IN MANNEQUIN.
SABOT, THAT'S A LONG WAY FROM THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT MY WIFE AND I OWN A FARM ADJACENT TO THE HILL PROPERTY AND THE FENCE.
ONE OF THE FENCES THAT WAS MENTIONED IS MY FENCE.
AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT IS THERE'S A CREEK THAT ACTUALLY SPLITS THE BORDER.
SO, AND I'M OPPOSED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I FELT COMPELLED TO SPEAK FOR THESE 75 PEOPLE ON THIS, ON THIS, UH, THE TISSUE, THOSE 75 PEOPLE REPRESENT 40 HOMES, LAND OWNERS, PEOPLE IN THE AREA.
AND YOU SAW A PICTURE OF THE RED DOTS.
UH, ONE THING YOU DIDN'T SEE OF THE 42 PEOPLE APPROACHED ABOUT THIS PETITION 40 SIGN, THE PETITION IN OPPOSITION, 95% OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
95% OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS OPPOSED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THE PLANNING PROCESS.
I'M CERTAINLY NO EXPERT ON THE PLANNING APPROVAL PROCESS, BUT MISS HILL'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS THREE YEARS.
WE HEARD THAT IN THE, UH, ORIGINAL PLANNING MEETING, MY GUESS IS SHE SPENT SOMETHING IN EXCESS OF A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND MY QUESTION IS TO THE BOARD, HOW DOES SHE GET SOME TACIT APPROVAL ENOUGH TO SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS WHEN YOU GOT 95% OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S AN OPPOSITION.
HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO I'LL LEAVE THAT WITH YOU.
YOU MAY DECIDE THIS IN THEIR FAVOR, BUT
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95% OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT, 95%.MR. HACKER, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
MY NAME IS PAM HACKER AND I'LL SAVE ALL OF THAT ADDRESS BUSINESS.
WE LIVE AT FIVE OH FIVE MEADOWVIEW LANE AND MANNEQUIN SABOT AND OUR PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE QUESTION PROPERTY.
NOW I REALIZE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, THAT THIS REQUEST IS SMALL COMPARED TO THE LARGE REQUESTS THAT YOU GET ON THE EAST END OF THE VARIOUS SUBDIVISIONS IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
BUT THE FARMERS, THE LAND OWNERS, THE HOMEOWNERS NEED TO BE HEARD REGARDING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SOME OF THESE FOLKS HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR OVER 50 YEARS AND SOME OF US HAVE OWNED PROPERTY 20 YEARS OR LESS.
AND WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THOSE 75 PEOPLE THAT HAVE MADE THE REQUEST TO TURN THIS CUP DOWN.
WE ALL CAME TO THIS AREA FOR OUR DREAMS. MS. HILL HAS DREAMS. MY GOODNESS.
WE ALL HAVE DREAMS. WE ALL CAME TO ENJOY THE PEACE, THE TRANQUILITY, AND WE WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT.
AND YES, SOMEDAY WE ARE AWARE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DROP SOME COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT IN OUR BACKYARD, BUT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO NOT DO THAT TODAY.
IT IS TROUBLESOME TO HEAR THAT ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS CALLED THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BEFORE ANY OF THE HEARINGS AND THIS PERSON TOLD THAT PERSON THAT IT'S A DONE DEAL.
IT IS TROUBLESOME TO ME THAT WHEN I CALLED TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR MEETING, THAT THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT MS. HILL HAD SOME CONTINGENCY AT THE PLANNING MEETING, THE CONTINGENCY GROUP THAT WAS AT THAT MEETING WHERE THE LANDOWNERS IN THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THAT OPPOSED THE PROJECT.
AND IT'S TROUBLING TO ME THAT AT THE INITIAL MEETING AT MS. HILL'S HOME, THAT MR. COLEMAN WHO GAVE A PRESENTATION WAS ALMOST GIDDY ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE WANTED TO WIN US OVER.
AND HE WANTED TO TRY AND GET BUY IN FROM ALL OF US.
WE REALIZED THAT POLITICS ARE IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, AND DON'T SAY IT DOESN'T, BUT TONIGHT YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THE MAJORITY.
I WOULD NOT WANT YOUR JOB BECAUSE YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO SATISFY EVERYONE.
I ASSUME YOU MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON REVENUES.
AND THIS IS NOT A BIG REVENUE DEAL.
I ASSUME YOU MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
AND I ALSO ASSUME THAT YOU LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE, THE LANDOWNERS IN THE AREA AND THAT 95 NUMBER.
I HOPE YOU VOTE AGAINST THIS REQUEST ON BEHALF OF ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT.
I LIVE IN PITCHER 700 MAYO LAKE DRIVE.
I AM IMPOSED TO THE USE PERMIT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.
UH, I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, BUT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE REDUNDANT AND JUST KEEP REPEATING IT, BUT I AM OPPOSED TO IT.
MY LANE JOINS THEIR LAND AND I HAVE, WELL, MY GREAT GRANDFATHER OWNED A PLACE ORIGINALLY, AND IT'S BEEN MY DREAM TO PASS IT ON TO MY NIECE AND NEPHEW WITHOUT HAVING A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS NEXT TO IT.
NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR.
I LIVE AT 57 OH TWO
I SHARE, UH, MOST OF THE CURRENT CONCERNS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN EXPRESSED, UH, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DREAMS HERE.
I MOVED TO GOODWIN COUNTY IN 2009 AND PURCHASED A HOME ON HERMITAGE ROAD AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENT LOCATION FOR MY OFFICE DOWN IN RICHMOND, HAD GREAT ROADS, GOOD INTERNET SERVICE, GOOD CELL PHONE SERVICE.
BUT AS ANYBODY THAT'S BEEN AROUND HERMITAGE ROAD KNOWS THAT THE TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE.
ONCE I RETIRED 2015, PURCHASED THE HOME ON MAYO LAKE DRIVE.
AND RIGHT NOW I HAVE POOR ROADS OR INTERNET SERVICE,
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SPOTTY CELL PHONE SERVICE, BUT IT'S A VERY PEACEFUL AND TRANQUIL AREA.AND THAT WAS MY DREAM TO GET TO A LOCATION THAT DID NOT HAVE DEVELOPMENT AND HAD A SLOWER PACE OF LIFE.
I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO VOTE AGAINST THIS REQUEST FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I FEEL IT PLACES AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THE NEIGHBORS OF THE COMMUNITY WITH NO BENEFITS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU MR. CLARK, ANYBODY ONLINE? ALRIGHT.
WE WILL JUMP OVER TO, IF YOU CAN GET THEM CONNECTED.
SOMEBODY ONLINE WILL THREE MINUTES PLEASE.
UM, MS. CRYSTAL NIELSEN HALL, PLEASE BEGIN TO TALK EVERYBODY.
I LIVE AT 26 45 ROAD KINGS, AND YOU GO YEARS AGO, SHE WAS STARTING TO FLUSH OUT SOME OF HER IDEAS FOR HER RETREAT CAUSE SHE WANTED TO, UH, CONNECT WITH THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY AND THE ACADEMY.
AND SINCE THEN, I'VE JUST SORT OF FOLLOWED THE ENTIRE PROCESS AS SHE WAS BUILDING UP THESE IDEAS.
AND I AM AN STRONGLY SUPPORT OF THE CP.
I'M EXCITED AND I'M EXCITED TO WATCH IT GROW.
E UM, BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE A HUGE ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU HAVE US, THE RESIDENTS UPON FAMILY ACTIVITY, IT SHOWS OFF THE BEST PARTS OF THE COUNTY.
SO THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE AND IT BRINGS IN REVENUE THAT WOULD BENEFIT OTHER POINT YEARS AGO, THE COUNTY SET THE GOAL TO SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE AGRITOURISM.
THIS GOAL WAS PUT IN PLACE TO HELP US MAINTAIN YOUR OVERALL FEEL AND ALLOW US TO MAINTAIN THE AGRICULTURAL, UH, FEEL OF THE COUNTY AS THE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH IS EXPLODING.
THIS SEEMS TO BE THE GOAL OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY NOW, TOO, BECAUSE YOU HEAR PEOPLE SAY ALL THE TIME, THEY WANT TO KEEP, UM, GIVE SOME GIRL, HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW, CULTURAL BUSINESSES LIKE KIM'S ARE STILL MEETING RESISTANCE.
THIS IS THE RURAL PART OF THE COUNTY.
THIS IS WHERE THE AGRICULTURAL BUSINESSES ARE GONNA BE LOCATED.
YOU CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO BE OUT HERE, JUST NOT NEAR US.
THE URBAN SPRAWL IS QUICKLY MOVING TOWARDS THE LESS THAN THE COUNTY HOUSES ARE POPPING UP EVERYWHERE.
AND AS LONG AS THESE LARGE LOTS ARE JUST AVAILABLE, BUILDERS ARE GOING TO USE THEM.
WE NEED TO PUT THEM TO USE AGRICULTURAL REVIEWS.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE GROWTH ALREADY IN THE FIRST DISTRICT.
DID YOU WALK DOWN DAVISVILLE YOU HAZEL BY WHITE OVER, WE NEED TO RE PROTECTING, UH, THESE LARGE PIECES OF LAND OR ELSE.
UM, THEY YOU'RE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH.
THIS IS A SMALL LOWMAN OF VERY LOW IMPACT AGRITOURISM BUSINESS THAT NOT ONLY FITS THE GOALS OF THE COUNTY HAS LOOKED FORWARD.
UM, BUT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF BRINGING IN REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY.
THIS IS THE TYPE OF BUSINESS WE NEED TO BE SUPPORTING.
OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE BOARD HAS APPROVED OR EXPANDED IN MUCH HIGHER IMPACT BUSINESSES LIKE THE EXPANSION OF BRASSWOOD AND RIVER RUN NAIR, WHICH RECEIVED MUCH MORE OPPOSITION.
I SAT THROUGH THOSE HOURS UPON HOURS OF COMMUNITY COMMENTS, FIGHTING RIVER RUN MANNER WITH YOU IN THAT RAIN.
AND YOUR REASON FOR APPROVING THEM WAS BECAUSE YOU BELIEVED IN PROPERTY RIGHTS.
THIS IS NO DIFFERENCE DIFFERENT WITH THIS BUSINESS.
ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT THERE'S A MUCH, MUCH SMALLER IMPACT THAN THOSE A IS MORE AGRICULTURALLY BASED.
IT'S BETTER FOR FUTURE PLANNING.
I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL APPROVE AND FELLOW CPA.
IT SEEMS LIKE A NO-BRAINER TO ME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU, MS. NIELSEN HALL AND WHOEVER'S UP NEXT, MR. KEVIN NIELSEN HALL, PLEASE.
TURN, TURN THE VOLUME DOWN WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING.
MY NAME IS KEVIN NELSON HALL AND I LIVE AT 26 43 HAYNESVILLE FIGHT ROAD.
UM, AND I'M NOT QUITE THE SPEAKER THAT MY WIFE IS.
UM, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, I AM DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT, UM, OF MS. HILL AND, UH, THE THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME THE MOST, UM, JUST LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION AND THE OPPOSITION, UM, IS THAT THE, UH, THE COMPARABLE, UH, THE
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OTHER CAMPGROUND THAT WAS APPROVED, UM, IS OBVIOUSLY CLOSER TO, UH, MORE NEIGHBORS, UM, HAS MORE GUESTS ON A SMALLER LOT AND ACTUAL CAMPGROUND.WHEREAS THIS IS A REALLY ONLY DESIGNATED CAMPGROUND BECAUSE WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A DESIGNATION THAT FITS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UM, TO THE POINT THAT THE, UH, THAT CITIZENS WERE MAKING.
AND THEN THIS LAST ELEAD MADE ABOUT, UM, SURE.
YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 32 GUESTS ON AT A TIME AND BLANK.
MAYBE THERE'S JUST A BUS THAT KEEPS BRINGING IN 32 PEOPLE ALL DAY LONG.
UM, I THINK THAT IS A BIT RIDICULOUS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN, UH, THE PROPOSED USES OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT, UH, LIKE I SAID, ON THAT OTHER CAMPING GROUND, UM, THERE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE ANY, UH, LIMIT ON THEIR ABILITY TO BRING IN 75 GUESTS AT A TIME, UH, OVER REPETITION.
UM, AND THAT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY BY THIS BOARD.
I JUST WANTED TO AGAIN, SAY THAT I SUPPORT, UM, WHAT THIS BUSINESS WILL REPRESENT.
UM, I DO, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM THE PROPOSAL AND FROM, YOU KNOW, UM, HAVING VISITED, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR PROPERTIES AND KNOWING SMALL FARMERS IN THE AREA.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY NOT SIMILAR TO THE POINT OF HAVING THE RETREATS AND STUFF, BUT JUST A PASTORAL QUIET PLACE, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, FLOWERS, UM, SMALL IMPACT GATHERINGS I THINK IS, IS PERFECT FOR NOT HERE.
NOW ANOTHER PERSON ONLINE AND WE'LL OPEN IT BACK UP FOR MORE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM IN A SECOND, BUT WE'LL JUST TAKE CARE OF FOLKS ONLINE.
I COULD, UH, DELANEY H PLEASE SPEAK.
HI, MY NAME IS LEE HILL AND I'M KINGS, UH, ELDEST DAUGHTER.
UM, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY OF THIS PROJECT, I CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY AND SAY, OH, MY MOTHER HAS ALREADY ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS A LITTLE BIT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M PROUD OF HER FOR WORKING SO HARD TO BRING OUR FAMILY TOGETHER FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT GROWING UP.
I NEVER REALLY HAD MY GRANDPARENTS, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE STREET OR I COULD JUST GO FOR DINNER AT GRANDMA'S.
SO IT'S REALLY AWESOME TO SEE MY COUSINS, SORRY, THAT EXPERIENCE, WHERE THEY GET TO GROW UP, JUST SURROUNDED BY A CALM ENVIRONMENT AND BE ALL KINDS OF GREAT PEOPLE ALONG THE WAY.
AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY AWESOME.
I'M REALLY GLAD THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE, BUT JUST SEEING HOW PASSIONATE SHE IS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE A WILLING, SHE HAS A COMPROMISE WITH THE CONCERNS IS SOMETHING THAT I REALLY LOOK UP TO, YOU KNOW, AS HER DAUGHTERS.
AND IT WAS MY MOM MAKING ME CRY RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T TRY TO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I AM COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
AND I THINK THAT SHE IS THE MOST COMPROMISING LEVEL-HEADED PERSON THAT I KNOW IN MY LIFE.
AND I KNOW THAT SHE'LL DO ANYTHING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS OKAY AND COMFORTABLE WITH THIS DECISION.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME YOU THANK YOU, MS. HILL, IS THAT YOUR DAUGHTER IN FLORIDA? OKAY.
NEXT PERSON ON LINE DEBRA, PLEASE SPEAK NOW.
MY NAME IS DEBORAH MODA AND I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS CAUSE SULFUR, THE CONDITIONS ARE MIN.
I KNOW KIM HAS SPENT THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF HOURS CREATING AND BUILDING A RETREAT AND FAMILY FARM DREAM.
SHE JUST REMAINED CONSCIOUS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
THE FULL PROCESS IS RESPECTFUL TO HER NEIGHBORS AND ENSURE THAT PREGNANT CLOVER WILL NOT BE A NUISANCE TO THE COMMUNITY AFTER THE YEAR THAT WE HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME TO REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND SOCIAL GATHERINGS, USUALLY COUNTY HAS A COMMUNITY TO IT, AND THIS RETREAT CAN BE A BLESSING TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND TO THOSE IN FAR, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A QUIET GETAWAY TO GATHER AND RECHARGE FROM THE HECTIC DAILY LIVES, CRANING CLOVER TO PROVIDE THE STILLNESS THAT MANY OF US ARE DESPERATELY SEARCHING FOR.
AND I WANT TO ADD THAT A LOT OF THE CONCERN THAT, THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE, HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED AS FAR AS THE TRASH, UM, THE FAMILY I KNOW HAS DONE THE ADOPT A ROAD AND THEY EXPLAINED, UM, MILES OF TASKTOP ROAD.
AND WE'LL DO THAT TWICE A YEAR TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT, UM, NOT ONLY FOR THE FARM, BUT FOR ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND AS FAR AS THE FIRE ISSUES, WE BOTH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM,
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SECURITY ON STAFF AND HER BROTHER'S GOING TO BE GOING AROUND, MAKING SURE THAT ALL FIRES EVERY NIGHT, IF THERE ARE BUYERS WILL BE PROBABLY SUBMERGED SO THAT WE REVISIT.UM, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, MS. MOTOR, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, COULD YOU TELL US YOUR ADDRESS? WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE, WHAT STREET YOU'RE ON 34 68.
ANYBODY ELSE? ONLINE? QUEUED UP.
ANYBODY IN THE ROOM THERE'S TO SPEAK.
NOBODY IN THE ROOM IS COMING FORWARD.
WE WILL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UH, DO YOU WANT TO COME ON? I'M SORRY, JUST I'LL, I'LL OPEN IT UP ONE OF THE GIFT TIME.
UM, MY, MY, MY NEW, UH, LIFESTYLE WITH, UH, MEDICATIONS AND THAT'S MY LORD THAT TOLD ME THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO TAKE MY MEDICATION.
UM, MY NAME IS GARY LEE SCOTTO.
I AM A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH COLLINS BRYANT JOHNSON WILLIAMS, UH, HERE IN RICHMOND.
UM, I'VE BEEN WITH KOONS BRIAN JOHNSON WILLIAMS NOW FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS.
AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MS. HILL, UH, PRETTY MUCH SINCE THE SUMMER OF THAT YEAR.
AND SHE IS, SHE'S GOT A DREAM AND HER DREAM IS BASICALLY TO HAVE A FAMILY BUSINESS, UH, IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY AND TO BE ABLE TO SHARE HER PROPERTY THAT, THAT, THAT THEY HAVE, UH, WITH PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND TO LEARN SOMETHING.
IT'S A, IT'S A REVENUE, UH, UH, ISSUE WITH THE COUNTY THAT COULD, UH, BRING IN TAX DOLLARS.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UM, AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UM, AND, AND YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, THAT THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IT'S IN HER BEST INTEREST BASICALLY TO FOLLOW THE, UH, CONDITIONS OF HER PERMIT BECAUSE OF, IF NOT, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, UH, AS BOARD AND THE COUNTY STAFF HAS THE RIGHT BASICALLY TO GO IN THERE AND REVOKE THAT PERMIT IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST AS A FAMILY TO RUN THEIR BUSINESS, BECAUSE IT'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE BOARD AND THEM ALLOW THEM TO DO SOMETHING WHICH, AND WORKING WITH WITH STAFF.
UH, THE WHOLE CAMPING THING IS THE ONLY THING THAT, UH, IS ON THE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS THE USE THAT SHE WANTS TO, TO HAVE ON HER PROPERTY.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING SHE CAN DO, UM, WITH WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE CONDITIONS THAT SHE'S AGREED TO AS PRETTY MUCH LIMITED IT TO SO THAT THERE'S NO CAMPING, UH, THEY'VE LISTENED TO ALL THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS, UH, THE, THE, THE ISSUES WITH, UH, TRASH AND LIGHT AND NOISE, UH, THEY'VE ADDRESSED ALL THOSE ISSUES.
UM, AND THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A GREAT SYMBIOTIC USE THAT IS A TYPE OF USE THAT WILL HELP PROMOTE AGRICULTURE WITHIN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
AND SO ALSO, UH, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IT'S TECHNICALLY, YOU'RE NOT REZONING THE PROPERTY.
YOU'RE JUST ALLOWING HER THE USE THAT SHE WANTS TO DO.
UM, SHE'S THE, SHE ISN'T HAS DEVOTED A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY IN THIS, AND SHE HAS A PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT SUCCESSFUL THING FOR THE COUNTY.
UH, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTION, ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.
DO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS? UM, OKAY.
IT IS ANYBODY JUMP ONLINE IN THE MEANTIME? OKAY.
A LITTLE PREMATURELY, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANY MORE COMMENTS, IF NOT, I AM GOING TO REALLY CLOSE IT PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION ALL COMING UP? UM, NO, THIS IS, THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE DON'T REALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION.
WE JUST WANT TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS IN THE GOLDEN QUESTION, BUT Y'ALL NOT THE ANSWER.
WE, WE, WE, WE, WE HEARD WE HEARD YOU ALREADY.
SO, UH, UM, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HERE.
UM, SO, UH, DOES ANY, I, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I DON'T LIKE TO
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GO FIRST.DOES THE BOARD, UM, WOULD HAVE A PREFERENCE TO ASK MS. HUNTER, ANY QUESTIONS OR THE APPLICANT MS. HILL D DO YOU MIND COMING OUT? JUST, I JUST HAVE ONE, ONE QUESTION, MAYBE ONE OR TWO.
UM, AND I MEANT TO ASK YOU EARLIER, I FORGOT ONE THING LIKE YOUR SECOND TO LAST SLIDE IN YOUR VIDEO, YOU TALKED ABOUT EMPLOY AND BEING AN EMPLOYER.
UM, DID YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS, WHAT YOUR EXPECT AT THE END? GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT IDEA OF THE NATURE OF THE EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.
UM, WELL RIGHT AWAY, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE, UH, A GIRL FRIDAY.
I GOT TO GET, UH, MY, UH, UH, BOOKKEEPING HELP, UM, UH, ORGANIZING THE EVENTS TO HELP WITH THAT.
I'LL NEED TO HIRE SOMEONE TO HELP ME WITH MY FLOWER FARM, BECAUSE I'LL DOING A LOT OF IT, BUT I'M GOING TO NEED SOME HELP WITH THAT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA NEED HOUSEKEEPING.
UM, I'M GOING TO NEED, UM, ALTHOUGH CURT DOES A GREAT JOB OF MAINTENANCE.
WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA NEED AN EXTRA HAND FOR HIM AS WELL.
UM, OF COURSE I'LL BE HIRING, UH, CONTRACTORS TO BUILD THESE, UH, PLACES AND WE WILL BE HIRING CATERS TO, UH, PROVIDE THE FOOD.
SO WE'LL BE HANDLING FOOD THROUGH CATERING AND FOOD TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, TEACHERS, UM, I'M, I, I'M A HOSTESS BASICALLY.
I COULD TEACH FLOWER ARRANGING CLASS AND I COULD TEACH SCULPTURE.
THOSE ARE ABOUT MY, THOSE ARE MY, MY WHEELHOUSE ITEMS, BUT I'LL BE NEEDING HIGHER TEACHERS, UM, TO HELP SOME OF THE CLASSES.
AND, UM, YEAH, SO THOSE WOULD BE THE LOCAL, UM, TRANSPORTATION COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, PICKING UP FROM THE AIRPORT, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, WHILE YOU'RE UP FOR BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. HUNTER CENTER.
THIS IS IN REGARDS TO SORT OF THE LOOKING AFTER A C UPS, YOU'VE BEEN IN YOUR ROLE IN PLANNING FOR DOOSAN FOR HOW LONG, ABOUT EIGHT YEARS, EIGHT YEARS.
AND IN ALL OF THE CUP RENEWALS THAT WE'VE HAD.
SO PEOPLE THAT HAVE, WE'VE GIVEN THE FIVE YEARS TO SEE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOOD CORPORATE CITIZENS.
HOW MANY OF THOSE HAVE WE ACTUALLY NOT? REAPPROVED NONE THAT I'M AWARE OF.
I'M GOING TO RUBBER POCKETS, PLEASE.
THANK YOU, MS. I KNOW SOMETIMES WHEN WE LOOK AT REZONINGS AND DEVELOPMENT AND WHATNOT, WE SOMETIMES USE A TERM LIKE THE INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT, HOW INTENSE IT IS.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY INTEND TO DO.
AND I, I SEE, YOU KNOW, YOGA AND CREATIVE WRITING AND POTTERY AND MASSAGE.
AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU VIEW AS THE, PERHAPS THE MOST, OR AMONG THE MOST INTENSIVE USES THEY'RE PLANNING ON USING THIS PROPERTY FOR? UM, I MEAN, GROWING FLOWERS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOST INTENSE USE WOULD BE DEALING.
IT'S THOSE ARE NOT VERY, YOU KNOW, NOISY, LOUD TYPE OF EVENTS.
THEY'RE THERE MORE OF, YOU KNOW, EDUCATIONAL IN NATURE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING WEDDINGS OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE TYPICALLY PROPOSED.
UM, IT'S NOT TYPICAL TYPES OF USES THAT HAVE AMPLIFIED MUSIC, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, IT'S PRETTY LOW INTENSE.
WE'VE REALLY MISSED JUST LOOKING FOR THAT KIND OF A GENERAL CHARACTERIZATION OF STUFF.
CAUSE I'M LOOKING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT AND WITH A VIEW TOWARD HOW INTENSE IS THIS AND HEALTH.
UM, AND OF COURSE I COME ACROSS THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE ARE NOT, I GUESS, IN THIS PRESENTATION, WE'RE CALLING IT A CAMPGROUND, BUT IT REALLY KIND OF ISN'T BECAUSE IT JUST FITS THAT THAT'S THE CLOSEST, UM, IT, WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY CAME IN, THEY WERE PROPOSING, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE YURTS AND CABINS, THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A FEW PRIMITIVE CAMP SITES, UM, THROUGH THE PROCESS, AS THEY HAVE RESPONDED TO CONCERNS, THEY HAVE REMOVED THE, THE, THE TENTS.
UM, SO THIS IS ALMOST MORE FUNCTIONS AS A GROUP OF SHORT TERM RENTALS ON HOSTED THAN A CAMPGROUND, RIGHT.
THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT AND I MEAN, THERE'S LIST OF, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT A CAMPGROUND, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT A HUNTING PROPERTY.
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WE'RE NOT A HOTEL, WE'RE NOT AN AIRBNB.I WAS TRYING TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN, WELL, JUST TRYING TO CHARACTERIZE THIS TYPE OF INTENSITY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, WHAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? I, I HEARD YOU COMMENT THAT IT'S ALONG THE WAY, THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES.
AND I TH THE FOLKS THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND WE DO LISTEN TO FOLKS VERY CAREFULLY.
UM, IF I THINK ABOUT WHAT THE SUM TOTAL OF THINGS THAT EITHER COULD HAVE BEEN, OR WERE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT SHOOTING AND HUNTING AND RVS AND OVERNIGHT, AND THIS GROUP COMING TOGETHER AND EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
I GET THE SENSE THAT DURING THIS PROCESS, A LOT OF THAT HAS BEEN ADJUSTED AS MELTED AWAY AND SAY THAT THAT'D BE, WOULD BE A LOT MORE INTENSE, OR IT WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT CHARACTER.
IT WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
AND, AND SO NOW I'M TRYING TO, SO IT'S LIKE, I GUESS THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE HAS BEEN THE SCALE DOWN QUITE A BIT SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT WAS DRIVEN BY THE FOLKS WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND, UH, THE 75 FOLKS THAT SIGNED AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE PETITIONED AND ASKED FOR A LOT OF GIVE ON ESSENCE, GIVE AND TAKE.
AND I GUESS THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN EARLIER ON.
AND, AND THAT'S, I GUESS, TO THE CREDIT FOR BOTH THE CITIZENS FOR SPEAKING UP AND FOR THE, FOR THE FOLKS, THE APPLICANT FOR LISTENING AND TRYING TO FIND A WAYS TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
UM, BUT SO AMY, BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION IS YOU'D CHARACTERIZE THIS AS A FAIRLY LOW INTENSIVE, CONSIDERED LOW INTENSITY AGRITOURISM, AGRIBUSINESS TYPE ACTIVITY, THE BUSINESS.
UM, MS. HUNTER, WE HEARD FROM MS. MIO, A CONCERN REGARDING THE PLUMBING AND EFFECTS ON GROUND WATER.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT PROCESS THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO FOR APPROVALS TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES? THEY'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND, UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT THEY ALSO HAVE TO GET A CAMPGROUND PERMIT, SO THEY WILL, UM, DETERMINE, UM, WHETHER IT BE ONE, WELL, MULTIPLE WELLS TO SERVE THAT, UM, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS AWARE OF IT.
IT CAN BE DONE, UM, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO HIRE A GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER TO ANALYZE THAT AND LOOK AT THE SOILS AND DETERMINE HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT HAVING NEGATIVE IMPACTS.
AND THEN, UM, SO THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE WATER AND SEWER OR SEPTIC UNLESS IT WAS APPROVED BY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND ON THE ALCOHOL SIDE.
UM, COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT AS WELL? YEAH.
SO IF THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE ALCOHOL ONSITE, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LICENSE FROM THE VIRGINIA AQUA ALCOHOL BEVERAGE AND CONTROL BOARD, THE ABC BOARD, UM, AND THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL OF THE REGULATIONS IN TERMS OF ALCOHOL USE AND, UM, ALCOHOL, THE ELBOW, THE ONSITE THAT WOULD BE, THERE'LL BE SIMILAR TO OTHER WEDDING VENUES AND THE OTHER VENUES THAT WE HAVE THAT SERVICE.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM, DO YOU WANT TO BRING IN, CAN WE CHANGE THE DRIVE HERE TO PUT BACK ON OUR SIDE? I'D LIKE TO JUST SEE, WELL, WE HAVE THE CONDITIONS HERE, UM, AND MS. MCGEE DID WHIP UP A CONDITION.
IF YOU WANT ME TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU OR IF SHE'D LIKE THE PLEASURE TO DO IT.
AND MR. PETERSON, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE STRUCTURES WOULD BE RENTED, UM, YOU COULD ADD TO CONDITION 18, UH, THESE STRUCTURES, I'M SORRY, WILL ONLY BE RENTED TO A GROUP SEMI-COLON THEY WILL NOT BE RENTED SEPARATELY TO INDIVIDUALS, THAT IDEA THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE IN THIS GROUP, IN THIS ONE AND A FAMILY OF FOUR OVER HERE.
AND THEY SAID THAT THEY HAVE TO BE INTERRELATED.
THE STRUCTURES WILL ONLY BE OCCUPIED OR RENTED TO A GROUP.
WHEN YOU'RE SAYING SHE'S, SHE'S PROPOSING ADDING THAT TO 18.
DO YOU MIND READING IT AGAIN AT 19? YOU SAID, YOU MEAN 1918 THERE ON THE SCREEN? 18 OR 19? YEAH.
IT TALKS ABOUT THE STRUCTURES AND NINETEENS ABOUT THE RVS.
I BELIEVE IF THE NUMBER IS CORRECT IN MY BOOK, THESE STRUCTURES WILL ONLY BE RENTED TO A GROUP SEMI-COLON THEY WILL NOT BE RENTED SEPARATELY TO INDIVIDUALS.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED THE APPLICANT, UM, IS THAT, DID YOU, DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? AND, UM, THAT'S MY INTENT.
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INTENT.THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH YOUR INTENT.
I WANT TO OPEN THE GATE FOR ONE PERSON.
SO THAT'S WHY I DESIGNED THE PLACE THIS WAY SO THAT WHEN THEY COME, THEY COME THE FIRST YEAR PURPOSE.
AND I JUST THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, OKAY.
IF WE GET TOO LONG, WE HAVE TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK, BUT THERE'S A GIST OF IT.
AS YOU SAID, YOU DESIGNED IT NOT TO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO OPEN THE GATE FOR INDIVIDUALS IS DESIGNED TO OPEN IT FOR GROUPS AND THAT'S YOU'RE IN DEBT.
SO THE, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY'S SUGGESTION, UM, IS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. HUNTER, MR. SHARP, NO QUESTIONS, BUT I I'VE HAD, UM, JUST RUNNING BACK THROUGH QUICKLY.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT 75 EMAILS HERE ARE PEOPLE SIGNED.
UM, I'VE COME UP WITH ABOUT 12 EMAILS THAT I'VE RECEIVED AND SUPPORT, UM, OF THIS SIGHTING, AGRITOURISM CITING, UH, YOU KNOW, SHARING THE TRANQUILITY AND THE BEAUTY OF GOOCHLAND.
UM, AND I'M NOT PASSING JUDGMENT ON ANYBODY THAT SIGNED THESE PETITIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I QUESTION SOMETIMES IF PEOPLE SAYING THESE THINGS EARLY ON, I'M REMINDED OF, UM, A GROUP THAT WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING OUT ON PONY FARM ROAD AND, UM, PEOPLE WERE COMING OUT AGAINST IT BECAUSE MY GOD, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SHOOTING IN SEWING ALCOHOL, WHICH WASN'T TRUE.
BUT I MEAN, ALL OF THESE STORIES THAT GET OUT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DOING AND ALL I CAN'T, I CAN'T BE FOR THAT BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE SHOOTING AND DRINKING INVOLVED.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WENT BACK THROUGH THIS LIST OF PEOPLE WITH THE CHANGES, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE REALLY AGAINST IT.
UM, I SEE TWO ON HERE THAT I KNOW FAIRLY WELL, BUT THAT SIGNED IT.
AND I CAN IMAGINE WITH THESE CONDITIONS THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK NOW AND SAID THAT THEY'D BE AGAINST SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, I JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, WE TRY AND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE LET PEOPLE DO WITH, AS THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT DOES NOT, UH, DESTROY THE VALUES OVER THE PEOPLE.
WE'VE HAD LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS IN HERE FROM EXPERTS ABOUT SOMETHING HAPPENS.
DO PROPERTY VALUES REALLY GO DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TOLD THAT THOSE AGE OLD THOUGHTS AREN'T TRULY ACCURATE, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT IN THIS THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE.
UM, I KNOW PEOPLE ARE AGAINST IT, PEOPLE ARE FOR IT, BUT, UH, THERE'S A LOT IN HERE THAT THAT CAN MAKE THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, AN ENJOYABLE PLACE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO USE.
AND, UH, THAT WAS MY COMMENTS.
UM, I, WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT, UM, BUT I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE, UH, UNLESS YOU HAVE TALKED TO THESE 75 PEOPLE AND UNDERSTOOD HOW OFTEN THEY'VE BEEN MEETING AND TALKING ABOUT THIS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO ASSUME WHAT THEY THINK.
I DIDN'T ASSUME I ASSURE YOU THAT THEY ARE STILL NOT HAPPY WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE RIGHT THERE.
THE FEW PEOPLE THAT I'VE GOTTEN IN SUPPORT OF IT DON'T LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY LIVE DOWN THE ROAD OUT OF THE COUNTY, EVEN IN ANOTHER STATE.
SO, UM, I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THAT, PLEASE.
I THINK THE EXCHANGE YOU JUST HEARD KIND OF IS A GOOD SEGUE FOR ME TO SAY SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS.
UM, MRS. HACKER, YOU, UH, YOU HAD, YOU HAD SOME HELPFUL INFORMATION, BUT YOU SAID, ONE THING IS YOU CALL SOMEBODY CALLED THE COUNTY AND, AND SOMEBODY SAID, IT'S A DONE DEAL.
WELL, I HOPE THAT EXCHANGE JUST NOW IT WAS EVIDENCE THAT IT'S NOT, NOT GOING TO ASSURE YOU IT'S, IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL.
I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHO WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU THAT IF THEY WERE
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THE COUNTY, IF THEY WERE, THEY WERE BRAND NEW, THAT MUST HAVE BEEN DAY ONE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE VERY LONG TO KNOW THAT THINGS LIKE THIS ARE NOT A DONE DEAL.UM, YOU SAID A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT I'LL COMMENT ON MAYBE, BUT, BUT THANK YOU FOR, THANK EVERYBODY FOR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.
AND, AND I'M, I'M SURPRISED I'M NOT SURPRISED IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, I'M SURPRISED THOUGH, LOOKING AT THIS, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT FITS THIS LOOKS, THIS LOOKS LIKE A GOOD PROJECT WHEN YOU FIRST LOOK AT IT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OPPOSITION.
UM, I, I I'M, I'M STILL HAVING A HARD TIME PINNING EXACTLY WHY THE STRONG OPPOSITION, I THINK MRS. HACKER, YOU SAID SOMETHING ELSE ALONG THE LINES OF, WE KNOW SOMETHING WILL BE DROPPED HERE EVENTUALLY IN OUR, IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, BUT NOT THIS NOT NOW.
UM, I MEAN, IF SOMETHING'S COMING, I THINK THERE COULD BE A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT IN MY VIEW WOULD BE A LOT WORSE FOR A RURAL SETTING THAN THIS.
AND THIS COUNTY DOES SUPPORT AGRITOURISM.
I THOUGHT THIS LOOKED LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIT AND, AND, UH, I, WE DO APPRECIATE AN APPLICANT BEING RESPONSIVE TO CONCERNS.
AND, AND FROM OUR COUNTIES REPORT FROM MS. HILL'S PRESENTATION, THE EDITS SHE MADE THE WHOLE, WE LISTENED TO PAGE, UM, SHE'S, SHE'S AGREED TO SOMETHING ELSE TODAY.
UM, I MEAN, I I'M, I'M IMPRESSED WITH THIS.
I I'M, I TEND TO BE IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE HEARD THE OBJECTIONS AND, UH, THEY GIVE US ALL UP HERE QUITE A BIT OF PAUSE.
UM, BUT IF WE'RE PICKING BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL, SOMETHING COMING VERSUS THIS TODAY, UM, HONESTLY I'M JUST SCRATCHING MY HEAD.
WHY PEOPLE WOULD FIGHT THIS IF YOU BELIEVE GROWTH IS COMING.
UM, BUT THAT'S MY 2 CENTS ON IT.
UM, MS. LAST GLENN, YOU HAVE MORE TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO MANY OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE PEACE AND TRANQUILITY, UH, OF THAT AREA.
AND MANY HAVE LIVED THERE FOR DECADES, GENERATIONS, MANY GENERATIONS, UM, MS. HILL'S OWN DAUGHTER EVEN MENTIONED THE TRANQUILITY OF THE PROPERTY.
AND WHEN WE TAKE THE TRANQUILITY AWAY FROM, UH, THE NEIGHBORS, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
AND, UM, UH, MR. SHARP STARTED THE STATEMENT THAT I OFTEN SAY, I THINK EVERYONE OUGHT TO DO ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ON THEIR PROPERTY.
ANYTHING AS LONG AS IT'S LEGAL AND YOU DON'T HARM YOUR NEIGHBORS.
NOW, IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT, IT'LL BE LEGAL, BUT THE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO BE HARMED.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU COULD WORK ON A PROJECT FOR THREE YEARS, AND NOW START TO ASK, UH, FOR THE PERMITS.
SO I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
APPLICANTS, BUY BUILDINGS, START PROJECTS, BUY EQUIPMENT, AND THEN COME ASK, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THE ZONING FOR IT.
SO I I'VE NEVER, I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF FEAR IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WITH OVERNIGHT GUESTS.
AND I FEEL IT MYSELF, OVERNIGHT, PEOPLE STAYING.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE WANDERING IN THE WOODS, WANDERING IN THE STREETS.
THIS IS A NICE, QUIET, RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT'S THE PART I WOULD LOVE TO APPROVE SOMETHING DURING THE DAY CLASSES, WHATEVER, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE MENTIONED.
BUT TO ME PERSONALLY, THE OVERNIGHT STAY IS BEYOND THE PALE.
UM, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR WE WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IT FOR A WHILE.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, WE CAN SEE IF IT GETS A SECOND AND WE CAN CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION, BUT I'M NOT CUTTING ANYBODY OFF.
IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE TO ADD AT THIS POINT BEFORE EMOTION, ALL RIGHT.
IF SOMEBODY WILL MAKE A MOTION, IF THERE'S, YOU'RE SO INCLINED, LET'S SEE.
THAT'S THE ONLY CASE THAT'S A CUT.
AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO CLEAR UP.
SOME, SOME PEOPLE SAID ZONING, UM, THIS IS REALLY NOT, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO APPROVE SOMETHING, UH, DURING THE DAY, ALL OF THE PUBLIC, UM, UH, THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, UH, ISSUE, UH, USES THE PUBLIC SIMILAR.
I WOULD LOVE TO APPROVE THOSE, BUT IF IT'S ALL TOGETHER, INCLUDING THE, THE OVERNIGHT STAY, UM, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING TROUBLE.
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SO, UM, PAGE ONE 71 MOTIONS PAGE, PAGE ONE 17.SO, UH, BASED ON INFORMATION IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE PUBLIC HEARING, I'VE MOVED THAT THE BOARD DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SEE YOU 20, 20 OH OH ONE, TWO, FOUR CAMPGROUND AND PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE AT 34 68 TAB SCOTT ROAD ON GROUND SAYS NOT KEEPING WITH PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICES AND IS HARMFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS BY DESTROYING THE TRANQUILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
THE MOTION FAILS TO PASS FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
IT'S KIND OF A BOARD HAS NOT TAKEN ANY ACTION YET ON THE APPLICATION.
SO ANOTHER MOTION WOULD NEED TO BE BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE AREN'T AWARE OF ROBERT'S RULES AND PROCEDURE.
SO PROCEDURALLY SECONDING, THE MOTION JUST ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE IN CONVERSATION.
SO I CA I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND, THIS LAST, LAST QUESTION.
I'M NOT AN EXPERT AT ROBERT'S RULES, BUT I, SINCE I SAID THAT, WILL YOU MAKE THE MOTION? YOU MAKE THE MOTION THAT HE SECOND.
YOU WANT IT TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSSION ON HER MOTION.
THE MOTION DIED WITHOUT A SECOND.
I GOT DISTRACTED, BUT I GOT AN EMAIL FOR MY IT GENTLEMAN OVER THERE, THE MODERATOR SHUTDOWN, THE CHAT FEATURE, A HAND WAS RAISED, AND PERSON SAID, WE KNOW WHAT'S NEW, BUT ANYWAY, JUST, JUST A HEADS UP.
IF SOMEBODY IS OVER THERE RAISING THEIR HAND.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT SOMEBODY WANTS TO SQUEEZE IN IT.
IT'S PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER, BUT PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE IS A LITTLE DELAY AND I APOLOGIZE TO THE PERSON WHO'S STILL LISTENING, BUT WE ARE WORKING AND WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO GET BETTER EVERY, EVERY MEETING AT, UH, DOING THE VIRTUAL THING.
UM, SO DENIED THE APPLICATION AND IT'S BEEN SECONDED.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION, MS. JEN? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS, UM, CAN I ASK, UH, MS. HUNTER TO APPROACH AGAIN? IS THAT POSSIBLE? CERTAINLY.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE OVERNIGHT IS AN ISSUE.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT AREA THAT HAS OVERNIGHT GUESTS? UM, SO IN DISTRICT ONE, WE HAVE, UH, THE REST OF WIC, WHICH WAS RECENTLY APPROVED.
UM, THEY HAVE THE TRAIN CAR, THEY PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT FIVE, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THAT'S THE EXACT NUMBER.
UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
UM, JUST ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE ON A PROPERTY, BUT THE REST OF WIX, THE ONE THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT'S THE MOST SIMILAR.
UM, AND THAT'S, I THINK THEY HAVE FIVE CABINS TRAIN CARS, TYPES, THOSE TYPES OF USES ONSITE.
THAT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY IN ADDITION TO ANY INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE WHATEVER I CAST, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE HOSTED NON HOSTED, UM, OVERNIGHT GUESTS.
UH, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT RIVERON AND A VARIETY OF OTHER ONES THAT YOU MOVE CLOSER AND THE CAMPGROUND THAT WAS JUST APPROVED.
SO WE'VE GOT, I GUESS YOUR POINT IS WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF OVERNIGHT ACCOMMODATIONS THROUGHOUT THE WESTERN HALF OF THE COUNTY, AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, BRADY SAUNDERS, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, WHICH ARE VERY LARGE TIME GROUNDS.
SO THIS WOULDN'T BE SITTING IN KIND OF PRECEDENT IF WE'RE OVERNIGHT GUESTS.
SO WRESTLE OCCURS THE ONLY OTHER CAMPGROUND IN DISTRICT ONE.
AND IT'S ON HOW MANY ACRES? UH, 600 ACRES.
I'M THINKING SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
THE CARDWELL IS IT DOES THE CARD.
WELL, THE ONE THAT Y'ALL HAD ON THAT SLIDE TO PRESENT, IT WAS A CRAWL CARDINAL THAT'S ON CARDWELL ROAD.
I WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT'S MIDDLE OF THE MORE CENTRAL ACCOUNT.
MR. CHARLOTTE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE MY COMMENTS NOW IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM, SO THIS IS, THESE ARE ALWAYS TOUGH, RIGHT? AND, UM,
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LUCKILY I DO ENJOY DOING IT, UM, BECAUSE I LIKE GETTING OUT AND MEETING PEOPLE.AND WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THIS PROJECT, YOU HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE THAT IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE THIS BEAUTIFUL RETREAT CENTER, AND THEN YOU HEAR ALL THIS OPPOSITION.
SO WHEN I, WHEN I WENT OUT THERE AND I DID MY DUE DILIGENCE AND I WATCHED THE PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING AND I WATCHED, I WALKED THE PROPERTY AND I MET THE OWNERS AND I LOOKED, I DROVE AROUND THE WORST TO SEE WHERE THE HOUSE WAS, WHERE I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I GET VERY UPSET WHEN PEOPLE COME AND HAVE ALREADY GONE DOWN THE PATH AND ARE GOING TO TRY TO STRONG ARM US INTO DOING THAT.
I COULD TELL YOU, AS LONG AS I'M SITTING UP HERE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
UM, AND WHEN I WENT TO SEE MS HILL'S PROPERTY, I EXPECTED TO SEE YURTS AND CABINS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT I SAW WAS BUILDINGS THAT WERE THERE ALREADY BY RIGHT.
THAT WITH WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
NOW, I THINK I OWN MY OWN BUSINESS.
SOMEBODY WAS MAKING COMMENTS THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT ALL OF THIS WORK HAS GONE ON.
UM, TO ME, THAT'S GOOD BUSINESS.
UM, IT'S TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR NOW, WHETHER OR NOT ENGAGING WITH NEIGHBORS HAPPENED AT THE RIGHT TIME.
UM, SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AND THE EVIDENCE THAT I SEE AND I ADMITTEDLY DON'T DO NOT LIVE THERE.
UM, BUT THE EVIDENCE I DON'T SEE IS I CAN'T SEE HOW THIS DESTROYS IS GOING TO DESTROY THE TRANQUILITY OF THE AREA.
AND WHAT GIVES ME SOME CONFIDENCE IN THAT IS OUR CUP PROCESS IN THE FACT THAT THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT ARE ATTACHED.
AND THEN, UM, WHEN THESE CONDITIONS ARE NOT MET THE GUT, WE STEP IN STAFF STEPS IN TO PROTECT THE TRANQUILITY AND TO PROTECT, TO MAKE SURE WHAT HAS BEEN SAID HAS, IS BEING, UH, ADDRESSED AND BEING HANDLED IN THE MANNER IN WHICH WE SAID, UM, MS. HUNTER AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, CPS, THE PEOPLE AREN'T DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE.
THIS IS ALSO BEING RENEWED IN FIVE YEARS IN A FIVE YEARS CAN SEEM LIKE AN ETERNITY.
UM, HOWEVER, AS MS. HUNTER SAYS IN EIGHT YEARS AND ALL THE, ALL THE TIMES THAT THIS BOARD AND I ONLY RAN, I WAS ONLY ABLE TO RUN BECAUSE I SAW HOW THIS BOARD PERFORMED PRIOR TO ME GETTING ON IT.
AND THEY, SOMEBODY IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE HERE TO PROTECT US.
AND I FEEL THAT WHAT I HAVE SEEN THIS IS A GOOD USE OF THE LAND.
I DO WISH TO BE HONEST, WHEN I WENT, I WAS THINKING THE CABINS WERE CLOSER, THE LAKESIDE, UM, AND DOWN FURTHER BECAUSE THE PROPERTY NESTLES VERY WELL USED TO SEE FROM THE DRONE FOOTAGE, IT'S NESTLED DOWN QUITE A BIT.
SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF NOISE, UM, COMING FROM HERE, ESPECIALLY WITH NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AN ACOUSTIC GUITAR.
AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU SIT ON PLAYS A PERCUSSION, BUT I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THIS IS, I HOPE THAT I'M RIGHT.
AND THAT IF THIS PASSES IT IN FIVE YEARS, WE COME, MS. HILL COMES HERE FOR HER RENEWAL AND NOT A SINGLE PERSON SHOWS UP OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN SUCH A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MOTION BEFORE US ROLL CALL, VOTE, MR. YOUNG ON THAT, ON THE MOTION, THE MOTION DENY.
SO WHEN I VOTE MEANS TO DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION AND A NAVY VOTE, MR. SMITH, YOU SAID IT WAS, IT FAILED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
AND HE SECOND IT, AND I KIND OF LOOKED YOU AND I SAID, YOU WOULD MAKE THE REMAKE THE MOTION ANYWAY.
SO I, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR MY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE HAVE MS. MS. LAST AND MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.
I SAID IT FAILED FOR LACK OF SECOND, BUT THEN MR. SPOONER INTERJECTED AND WE LET IT PROCEED.
SO I, AS I'M TREATING IT AS WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR NOW, YES.
A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
I JUST, YEAH, I'M IN THE INTENT.
I JUST WANT TO BE SURE IT'S CLEAR.
THAT'S HOW I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING IT.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO DENY, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE A ROLL CALL, VOTE ON THAT NOW.
AND JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY NEGATIVE DENIAL MOTIONS, LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.
IF YOU SUPPORT DENIAL, YOU WOULD VOTE.
OR I, IF YOU DO NOT SUPPORT DENIAL, YOU WOULD VOTE NO ORDINARY.
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SO ROLL CALL VOTE.IS A MOTION IS A VOTE TO DENY THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION.
NATE IS A VOTE TO NOT DENY THE APPLICATION.
SUPERVISOR PETERSON, NO SUPERVISOR.
SPOONFLOWER NO SUPERVISOR SHARP, NO SUPERVISOR LAST GLUT.
AND AS A, SO THE BOARD, THIS POINT HAS NOT TAKEN ACTION ON THIS APPLICATION AND AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION NEEDS TO BE MADE.
THAT COULD BE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
IT COULD BE A MOTION TO DEFER.
I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE IT.
SO THERE, RIGHT NOW, THE MOTION TO THE APPLICATION HAS FAILED.
I WILL ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE FAIRLY INFORMAL.
I WILL, UH, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS FOR AWHILE, BUT, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS IT SOME MORE.
WE WANT, WE GET ALL THESE THINGS.
UM, IT'S JUST THE WAY WE ROLL.
WE GIVE IT A LOT OF ATTENTION.
UM, PEOPLE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF ENERGY, UM, ENGAGED IN THIS AND WE APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO DISCUSSION IF THERE'S A MOTION.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. MCGEE, YOU MENTIONED WE COULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
WE COULD ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND, UM, TO ADD THE ONLY LEASE TO RENT, UH, GROUPS, AS OPPOSED TO RENTING TO INDIVIDUALS.
WE COULD MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS SEVERAL CHOICES WE HAVE HERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE RIGHT NOW, OKAY.
THE MOTION TO APPROVE COULD BE AS PRESENTED, OR IT COULD BE AMENDED EITHER WITH A CONDITION THAT I DISCUSSED EARLIER OR WITH OTHER CONDITIONS THAT THE BOARD MIGHT ADD.
UM, I MOVED AT THE BOARD, UH, DEFER CONSIDERATION FOR ONE MONTH TO OUR, OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING, UM, OF THIS PERMIT.
SEE YOU 2020 DASH TWO ZERO ZERO ZERO ONE TWO, UH, FOR PAM CAMPGROUND AND PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, 34 68 TAT SCOTT ROAD.
UM, DEFER IT SO THAT WE CAN WORK OUT, UH, MAYBE A COUPLE MORE OF THESE CONDITIONS, UH, THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HERE TONIGHT AND, UM, BRING IT BACK UP AT OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING NEXT REGULAR BOARD MEETING.
SO IT'S DIFFERENT TO WHAT'S THE DATE.
IF SOMEBODY WOULD HELP ME OUT THE FIRST DAY OF JUNE.
THERE'S A MOTION BEFORE US TO DEFER THIS APPLICATION UNTIL OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING ON JUNE 1ST.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION NOW? NOW HE'S HOPING THEY TRY TO MANDATE SO BOARD, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE, MAKE A SECOND.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO HEAR IT, OTHERWISE I'M GOING TO CALL IT FAILED FOR LACK OF SECOND.
I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS.
THE MOTION TO DEFER HAS FAILED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
SO WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE, CHAIRMAN, ANOTHER MOTION.
UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. MCGEE, WOULD YOU MIND READING THAT? AND JUST BEFORE WE GET A SECOND, I'M READING WHAT YOU'VE SAID AND MR. SPOONER JUST CONFIRMED THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU HEAR IS WHAT YOU WANT ON THIS, ON YOUR MOTION.
THE AMENDMENT TO CONDITION 18 WOULD BE THESE STRUCTURES WILL ONLY BE RENTED TO A GROUP SEMI-COLON THEY WILL BE NOT, THEY WILL NOT BE RENTED SEPARATELY TO INDIVIDUALS.
THAT'S THAT'S PART OF YOUR MOTION.
THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE AMENDMENT AS JUST READ.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND, MR. SHARP SECONDS.
ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE AMENDED CONDITION? 18 GOING ONCE GOING TWICE.
MR. YOUNG ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
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SUPERVISOR SHARP.SUPERVISOR LAST COLETTE, NO CHAIR.
MS. HILL, YOUR APPLICATION IS APPROVED FOR THE ONE WITH THE AMENDMENT.
I'M SURE YOU CAN FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF AND WE WISH YOU THE BEST.
I'M LIKE A SIX OR SEVEN MINUTE BREAK, AND THEN WE'LL RECONVENE A LITTLE BIT AFTER QUARTER TWO.
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YOU EVERYBODY FOR HANGING IN THERE.WHO'S WANTED TO GET NUMBER EIGHT, THE ORDINANCE AMENDING COUNTY CODE CHAPTER 10 TO ADD ARTICLE TWO NOISE, NUISANCES SECTIONS 10 41 THROUGH 10 45.
OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY TARA MCGEE WILL LEAD LEAD US OFF ON THIS REVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I AM THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY ATTORNEY, TARA MCGEE.
AND I'M BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO PRESENT.
DO A PRESENT THE NUISANCE NOISE ORDINANCE FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
BEFORE I COVER THE SPECIFICS OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, I'D LIKE TO, UH, PROVIDE THE PUBLIC, UM, SOME CONTEXT FOR HOW THE ORDINANCE CAME ABOUT.
UM, GOSHEN COUNTY RESIDENTS BROUGHT SOME NOISE CONCERNS BEFORE THE BOARD IN SPRING OF 2019, AND THEN A COMMUNITY LISTENING SESSION WAS HELD, UM, IN MAY OF 2019.
AND THEN THAT FALL, THE BOARD FORMED A CITIZEN, UH, COMMITTEE ON NOISE.
THIS ORDINANCE IS THE WORK PRODUCT OF THAT 12 PERSON CITIZEN COMMITTEE.
UM, THE COMMITTEE'S FINAL REPORT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD LAST MONTH, IT'S OVER 75 PAGES LONG.
THE FINAL REPORT CONTAINS A WEALTH OF INFORMATION, INCLUDING SUMMARIES OF THE COMMUNITY COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
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WERE ABOUT A DOZEN OF THEM NOTES FROM THAT LISTENING SESSION, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OVER 75 CITIZENS SPOKE ABOUT THEIR REACTIONS TO NOISE IN GOOCHLAND.IT ALSO INCLUDES 10 YEARS OF THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY NOISE COMPLAINTS.
UM, THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 978 COMPLAINTS, UH, FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT ON AVERAGE, THAT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED, UM, PER YEAR AND GEOGRAPHICALLY.
THEY ARE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
IN FACT, THE ATTACHMENT TO THE REPORT, ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ACTUALLY REORGANIZED THE NOISE COMPLAINTS SO THAT INSTEAD OF APPEARING BY DATE, THEY APPEARED BY ADDRESS.
SO YOU COULD SORT OF CHECK, IS IT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE COUNTY? AND I JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FOLKS WERE LOOKING AT THAT AS THEY LOOKED AT THE SITUATION INVOLVING NOISE.
AND ONE OTHER PART OF THAT FINAL REPORT IS THE PROPOSED NOISE ORDINANCE FROM 2011.
IT WAS CONSIDERED BY THE COUNTY AND WAS NOT ADOPTED.
UM, AND I MAKE SOME REFERENCE TO THAT AS WE TALK ABOUT WHY WE'RE HERE WITH WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, BEFORE I MOVE INTO THE ORDINANCE, LET ME JUST PLEASE, UH, RECOGNIZE AND COMMEND THESE GOOCHLAND COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO SERVED ON THE CITIZEN NOISE COMMITTEE.
THEY DID DEDICATE SIGNIFICANT TIME AND EFFORT TO CONSIDER THIS OR ISSUE.
AND SEVERAL OF THEM ARE HERE TONIGHT.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND OR WAVE? SO THE BOARD MEMBERS KNOW THAT YOU'RE ON THE COMMITTEE.
I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS.
AND NOW LET ME PRESENT THE ORDINANCE AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING IN MAY OF 2019, PROBABLY THE MOST COMMON WORD WE HEARD AFTER NOISE WAS NUISANCE.
AND SO WHAT THE CITIZEN COMMITTEE HAS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS A NOISE NUISANCE ORDINANCE, NOT JUST A NOISE ORDINANCE, WHAT IS A NUISANCE NOISE? FIRST OF ALL, IT'S REQUIRED BY ITS DEFINITION TO BE REPETITIVE.
THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE DID NOT BELIEVE THAT ONE OCCASION OF SOUND THAT WAS DISTURBING TO A RESIDENCE SHOULD BE A SUBJECT OF A VIOLATION.
THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO STRICT FOR WHAT GOOCHLAND DOES.
UM, SO IT HAS TO BE REPETITIVE.
WHAT ELSE IS A NUISANCE NOISE? YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE VOLUME, THE PITCH, THE DURATION, THE REPETITION, AND THE TIME OF DAY, BECAUSE NOISES AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF DAY OR DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES MAY OR MAY NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A NUISANCE AND WHAT IT HAS TO BE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THOSE CHARACTERISTICS IS IT HAS TO UNREASONABLY AND SUBSTANTIALLY DISTURB SOMEONE'S PEACEFUL ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HOME.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE COMMITTEE DESIGNED THE WHOLE ORDINANCE TO PROTECT THE PEACEFUL ENJOYMENT OF YOUR HOME.
I'D SAY THAT WAS PROBABLY THE TENANT OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS BEHIND IT.
YOU WOULD ALSO KNOW THAT THE COMMITTEE DID CONSIDER USING OBJECTIVE CRITERIA FOR A NOISE ORDINANCE.
AND, UM, WE, WE STUDIED NOISE ORDINANCES FROM MANY LOCALITIES FROM OTHER STATES.
WHAT THEY LEARNED IN LOOKING AT OBJECTIVE CRITERIA FOR NOISE IS THAT THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DECIBEL STANDARDS REPORT A WEALTH OF PROBLEMS WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF DECIBEL STANDARDS, DECIBEL METERS, DON'T REGISTER, ALL SOUNDS IN PARTICULAR, THE SORT OF POUNDING BASE OF MUSIC DOES NOT GET PICKED UP BY DECIBEL METERS.
IN ADDITION, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE PRECISE ENOUGH STANDARDS FOR USING DECIBEL METERS.
HOW FAR DOES THE METER NEED TO BE FROM THE SOURCE OF THE SOUND? IF YOU'RE INSIDE A HOUSE, A WINDOWS OPENED OR CLOSED, HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE WALL ARE YOU? THESE ARE SITUATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN WHEN DECIBEL METER IS THE ONLY ENFORCEMENT STANDARD, BUT DECIBEL METERS ARE NOT THE ONLY OBJECTIVE CRITERIA.
ANOTHER OBJECTIVE CRITERIA, THAT'S COMMON IN NOISE ORDINANCES.
AND IN FACT, WHAT'S IN THE MAJORITY OF NOISE ORDINANCES, AND OTHER LOCALITIES ARE CATEGORIES OF NOISE WITH CERTAIN TIME OF DAY AND DISTANCE, FOR INSTANCE, LOUD MUSIC BETWEEN 11:00 PM AND 7:00 AM THAT CAN BE HEARD ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, OR THAT COULD BE HEARD MORE THAN A HUNDRED FEET AWAY IS A TIME AND DISTANCE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA FOR NOISE.
IN FACT, THAT IS THE TYPE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, IN 2011, THE LAST TIME A NOISE ORDINANCE WAS PRESENTED FOR CONSIDERATION IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY AND THE CITIZENS DIDN'T SUPPORT THAT TYPE OF ORDINANCE AT THAT TIME.
UM, BUT THAT IS ANOTHER TYPE OF OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THAT WAS CONSIDERED, UM, BY THE COMMITTEE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT, THAT TENDS TO BE A ONE NOISE VIOLATION, WHICH IS PART OF WHY THEY DIDN'T, UM, UM, GO FOR IT.
AND, UM, THAT WAS NOT THE STANDARD THAT THIS COMMITTEE CHOSE TO GO WITH.
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WE ARE BEFORE YOU WITH A NOISE NUISANCE, UM, ORDINANCE, THE NOISE NUISANCE ORDINANCE IS APPLIES ONLY TO RESIDENTIAL NOISES MADE FROM PEOPLE'S HOMES AND THAT DISTURBED SOMEONE ELSE AT THEIR RESIDENCE.IT DOES NOT RESTRICT OR REGULATE NOISES FROM COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES OR COMMERCIAL OR BUSINESS PROPERTIES.
THEY'RE TOTALLY NOT COVERED AND SHOULD CONTINUE WITHOUT ANY CHANGES UNDER THIS REGULATION.
BUT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY DOES NOT MEAN THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
WHAT IT MEANS IS ALL PROPERTY ON WHICH A RESIDENCE EXISTS.
THAT'S TYPICALLY GOING TO BE BOTH YOUR AG PROPERTIES AND YOUR RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT, AGAIN, IS THE COMMITTEE CENTERED ON PEOPLE SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HOMES, WHETHER THEIR HOME IS ON A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PARCEL OR ON ADD PARCEL.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT IS INCLUDED.
ANOTHER SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE TALKS ABOUT WHO CAN BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.
IF YOU ARE THE PERSON THAT'S REPEATEDLY PLAYING LOUD MUSIC, YOU CAN BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT FOR A VIOLATION.
BUT FOR SITUATIONS, WHEN SOMEONE MAY NOT BE THE ONE TO CLAIM, I WAS THE ONE PLAYING LOUD MUSIC, THEN THE OWNER TENANT RESIDENT OR OCCUPANT PRESENT ON THE PROPERTY COULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE, BUT THEY HAVE TO RECEIVE A WARNING.
AND THAT IS A WRITTEN WARNING HAS TO BE PROVIDED BEFORE A VIOLATION CAN BE FOUND.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT AGAIN, PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THAT THE NOISE THEY'RE CREATING IS A PROBLEM BEFORE A VIOLATION HAS EVER FOUND.
AND SO THEY WILL LITERALLY RECEIVE A RETURN RECEIPT, CERTIFIED MAIL LETTERS FROM A NEIGHBOR SAYING, HEY, THE NOISE YOU WERE CREATING, UNREASONABLY DISRUPTED MY ABILITY TO ENJOY MY PROPERTY.
SO I CONSIDER THAT A NUISANCE ONLY, UH, UH, A RESIDENT WHO THEN CHOOSES TO CONTINUE THAT NOISE BEING TOLD THAT IT'S BEEN FOUND BY THEIR NEIGHBOR TO BE A NUISANCE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A VIOLATION.
THIS WARNING PROVISION IS MODELED AFTER THE COUNTIES ALREADY EXISTING COMPANION ANIMAL NUISANCE ORDINANCE.
AND IT'S TO PROVIDE THAT NOTICE TO SOMEONE THAT AN ACTIVITY IS BEING CONSIDERED A NUISANCE BY A NEIGHBOR WHEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CAME TO SPEAK TO THE COMMITTEE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID SAY WAS THAT TYPICALLY WHEN THEY GO TO SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE AND SAY, HEY, YOUR NEIGHBORS CALLED US.
CAUSE THE NOISE YOU'RE MAKING IS DISTURBING THAT IN MANY SITUATIONS THAT WE USUALLY TAKE CARE OF A PROBLEM.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING THAT IT JUST GOES TO SO THAT AT LEAST PEOPLE WOULD BE PROVIDED.
AND THEN ONLY IF THEY CHOOSE TO CONTINUE WITH THAT NOISE, WOULD A VIOLATION EXIST? THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS VALUE GOOCHLAND, AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY, AND CRAFTED A VERY BROAD EXEMPTION FROM THE NOISE ORDINANCE FOR AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY.
IT EXEMPTS NOT ONLY NOISES FROM ANIMALS, FOUL OR BEES, BUT ALSO FROM THE PRODUCTION OR HARVEST OF CROPS.
AND THERE IS A LONG LIST OF TYPES OF CROPS IN THERE.
IT'S EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE RIGHT TO FARM ACT, PLUS A FEW MORE THINGS REQUESTED BY THE AG COMMUNITY.
AND THEN FINALLY A GOOD SUGGESTION FROM, UH, JONATHAN LYLE.
IT ALSO INCORPORATES AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES DESCRIBED IN THE FUTURE UNDER THAT STATE LAW, THE VIRGINIA, RIGHT TO FARM ACT SO THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES UP AND IT'S BECOME A, UH, A THING FOR AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY, IT WILL ALREADY BE COVERED.
YOU WON'T HAVE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY ENGAGING IN CERTAIN NEW ACTIVITY AND CONCERN THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS, UM, LAW.
SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST EXEMPTION, THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE TO THE COMMITTEE.
THERE ARE OTHER EXEMPTIONS, AS I SAID, IT DOES NOT COVER BUSINESS OR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
EVEN IF IT'S ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THAT COMPANION ANIMAL NOISES ARE NOT COVERED BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY COVERED UNDER A DIFFERENT SECTION OF COUNTY CODE AND THEN ACTIVITIES PERMITTED BY ZONING SPECIAL EVENT, PERMITS, PRAYED, PERMITS, OR FIREWORKS, PERMITS, GET THOSE HAVE A SEPARATE APPROVAL PROCESS WHEREBY WE'RE EITHER EXPECTING LIKE A FIREWORKS TO HAVE A NOISY NIGHT ON THE 4TH OF JULY OR A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO HAVE MUSIC, BUT PERHAPS IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO TURN OFF AT 10.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO BE AMPLIFIED.
IT'S TEND TO ALREADY HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, FOR INSTANCE, IN SPECIAL EVENT, PERMIT THE EXEMPTIONS CONTINUE.
THERE'S AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT FEDERAL LAW CAN PREEMPT OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE.
THERE'S ALSO AN EXEMPTION FOR APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
AND LET ME EXPLAIN THE REASON BEHIND THAT.
ACCORDING TO GOOCHLAND NOISE COMPLAINT, DATA, MANY COMPLAINTS HAVE COME FROM PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENT
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COMPLEXES WHO ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT NOISES, EITHER IN THE COMMON SPACE OR IN AN ADJACENT, FROM AN ADJACENT NEIGHBOR.BUT PEOPLE IN APARTMENTS KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LIVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO OTHER FAMILIES AND OTHER PERSONS.
AND SO IT DOESN'T SEEM REASONABLE THAT THE SAME STANDARD OF QUIET SHOULD APPLY.
WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT IS THAT A MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
AND AGAIN, THIS APPLIES ONLY TO THE APARTMENTS STRUCTURES THAT ARE MANAGED BY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES, IS THAT WHAT IS REASONABLE NOISE WITHIN THAT COMPLEX IS DETERMINED BY THAT MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
AND IN FACT, THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN GOOCHLAND ALREADY HAVE PROCEDURES TO ADDRESS NOISE THAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE A PROBLEM WITHIN THE COMPLEX.
AND THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THOSE UNIQUE SITUATIONS.
SO THAT'S AN EXEMPTION BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE HANDLED BY THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
THE LAST EXEMPTION IS FOR LAWFUL HUNTING.
UM, SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS WANTED AN EXEMPTION FOR ALL SHOOTING OF ALL FIREARMS ARE ALL LAWFUL SHOOTING.
SHERIFF CHRISSY HAS SENT A LETTER TO THE BOARD MEMBERS IN WHICH HE SAYS THAT HIS DEPUTY'S ABILITY TO MAINTAIN FIREARM PROFICIENCY WILL BE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AN EXEMPTION THAT ACTUALLY COVERS ALL SHOOTING.
HE DESCRIBES HIS DEPUTIES IS DOING SOME SHOOTING AT HOME TO MAINTAIN THAT FIREARM PROFICIENCY, A MAJORITY 40 OF THE NOISE COMMITTEE DID NOT SUPPORT AN EXEMPTION FOR ALL LAWFUL SHOOTING.
THE NOISE FROM FIREARM SHOOTING HAS BEEN A NUISANCE FOR SOME RESIDENTS.
UM, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE NOTES OF THE COMMUNITY LISTENING SESSION, BUT WHAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU WAS FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE, UM, IT'S NOT UNANIMOUS, BUT IT IS A MAJORITY.
AND SO THE EXEMPTION WRITTEN IN TODAY IS ONLY FOR LAWFUL HUNTING.
THE NEXT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE IS THAT THIS IS, UM, ENFORCED WITH A CIVIL PENTA PENALTY, NOT A CRIMINAL ONE.
THIS CIVIL PENALTY IS ACTUALLY WHAT ALLOWS GREATER FLEXIBILITY IN OUR DESCRIPTION OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THE VIRGINIA BEACH NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WAS STRUCK DOWN BACK IN 2009 AND STARTED THE WHOLE WAVE OF NOISE ORDINANCES CHANGING WAS STRUCK DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS TOO VAGUE AS A CRIMINAL LAW, BUT UNDER A CIVIL PENALTY, THAT STANDARD IS DIFFERENT.
AND SO THAT ALLOWS THAT, UM, MOREOVER IT COULD BE FAIR TO SAY THAT MOST PEOPLE THINK THEY SHOULD STAY A CIVIL PENALTY SITUATION, AND THAT SHOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO A CRIMINAL PENALTY FOR NOISE.
THE OTHER PROVISIONS IN THE PENALTY PROVISION THAT WE IDENTIFY THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING STATE LAW PUBLIC NUISANCE PROCEDURE THAT THE COURT HAS AUTHORITY TO ORDER THE ABATEMENT OF A NUISANCE UNDER THIS ORDINANCE AND ACKNOWLEDGES THAT A CIVIL INJUNCTIVE ACTION IS, CAN STILL BE AVAILABLE ABOUT NOISE.
SO THE COMMITTEE'S PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS A NOISE ORDINANCE WITH FOUR SIGNIFICANT LIMITATIONS.
THEY CHOSE NUISANCE NOISE SO THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ONE NOISE VIOLATION.
THEY SOUGHT ONLY THE PEACEFUL ENJOYMENT OF YOUR HOME.
AND SO IT DOESN'T REGULATE COMMERCIAL OR BUSINESS PROPERTIES OR ACTIVITIES.
THEY CREATED A BROAD EXEMPTION FOR AGRICULTURAL, AND THEY WROTE IN THAT YOU HAVE TO RECEIVE A WRITTEN WARNING SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE MADE AWARE BEFORE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS A NUISANCE BEFORE IT COULD EVER BE A VIOLATION.
THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AS I SAID, SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT THEY MADE.
BUT THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING IS TO HEAR FROM OTHER RESIDENTS AS WELL ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL, NOISE REGULATION IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE BECAUSE YOU'RE BALANCING THE RIGHT TO USE YOUR PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE RIGHT TO QUIET ENJOYMENT OF YOUR PROPERTY.
AND BOTH PEOPLE PEOPLE WANT TO DO BOTH REALLY.
UM, AND SO IT IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE, BUT IT'S ONE GOOD FOR ENGAGEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD WAS AWARE WHEN YOU SET THIS PUBLIC HEARING FROM YOUR APRIL SIX MEETING, UM, WE WENT AHEAD AND NOT ONLY RAN THE REQUIRED LEGAL NOTICES OF TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING.
IN ADDITION, WE PUT THE ENTIRE NOISE ORDINANCE IN THE GOOCHLAND GAZETTE FOR THE TWO ADS THAT WERE RUN FOR THE BOARD MEETINGS.
SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE TO FIND THE ORDINANCE.
WE ALSO, UM, MADE IT A NEWS FLASH ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE, WHICH BRINGS IT UP IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE AND THERE ARE RESIDENTS WHO SIGN UP TO GET EMAILS, WHENEVER THERE'S A NEWS FLASH PLACED, IT'S ALSO BEEN THE SUBJECT OF SOCIAL MEDIA POSTINGS FOR THE COUNTY, AND IT WAS THE FRONT PAGE STORY FOR LAST WEEK'S GOOCHLAND CAUSE THAT, SO WE DID TRY AND MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO MAKE RESIDENTS AWARE, UM, OF THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AT THIS TIME, I
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AM HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.I IMAGINE WE WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANT TO, AGAIN, THANK YOU.
THIS IS, UH, AND THEN THE COMMUNITY REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE.
UM, I THINK YOU S YOU SAID A MOMENT AGO THAT THIS IS A TOUGH ISSUE, COMPETING INTERESTS.
UM, BUT I REALLY ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, I KNOW WE APPRECIATE THE WORK AND YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR SOME MORE OF THAT, BUT WE'LL DIVE INTO QUESTIONS IF THE BOARD HAS ANY MS. LAST TIME.
ALL RIGHT, MS. MCGEE, THANK YOU.
AND, UH, THANKS TO THE COMMITTEE.
I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK, UM, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
I'VE GOT, UH, ONE QUESTION I GUESS, BASICALLY IS HAVING TO DO WITH THE ENFORCEMENT.
SO JUST KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH, I MEAN, I, I, I CAN READ WHAT YOU GOT HERE.
SO I HAVE A NEIGHBORS MAKING A LOT OF NOISE.
WHAT HAPPENS? WALK ME THROUGH IT.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE KNOW THAT THAT NOISE HAS TO BE REPETITIVE.
SO IF YOUR NEIGHBOR HAS A PARTY AT THEIR HOUSE ON A SATURDAY NIGHT, AND YOU HEAR THE MUSIC TILL AFTER 11 O'CLOCK, YOU'RE LIKE, OH WOW, THAT'S LATE.
AND I DIDN'T REALLY GET TO, BUT IT'S ONE NIGHT, RIGHT? ONE NIGHT THEY'RE DOING THAT.
I'M DOING THIS, BUT THE NEXT WEEKEND, THE NEIGHBOR'S HAVING A PARTY AGAIN TILL 11 O'CLOCK.
WELL, YOU NOW HAVE AT LEAST THE START OF A REPETITIVE ACTIVITY.
YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, I CAN'T DO THIS EVERY WEEKEND, DEPENDING UPON HOW PATIENT YOU ARE.
YOU MAY BE ABLE TO WAIT ANOTHER COUPLE OF WEEKS AND SEE WHERE IT ENDS, BUT WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO UNDER THE ORDINANCE AFTER THE SECOND TIME IS TO PREPARE THAT LETTER AND SEND IT CERTIFIED MAIL WOULD BE PREPARING THE LETTER.
TYPICALLY YOU'RE GOING TO BE PREPARING THE LETTER THAT WAS NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT, ANYTHING.
I MEAN, THE SHERIFF'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THE, UM, THE RESOURCES.
AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE ANIMAL COMPANION NEWS ORDINANCE HAS ALREADY BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR, I THINK AT LEAST FIVE YEARS, TYPICALLY THE CITIZENS PREPARE THE LETTERS, EVEN THOUGH THE ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICERS MIGHT PROVIDE THEM SOME DATA ADDRESS SOMETHING, BUT THEY PREPARE THE LETTERS.
AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY COULD HAVE AVAILABLE.
HERE'S A SAMPLE LETTER FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A FORM LETTER, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT SAYS IN HERE, IT HAS THE WARNING, UM, ITEM C SECTION 10 43.
IT SAYS THE WARNING WILL BE SENT, UM, THAT, THAT A WRITTEN NOTICE OF THE VIOLATION MUST BE SET ON AND ON AND ON.
BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T SAY WHO SENDS IT, LET'S READ THE SECOND LINE OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL HAD PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A SUMMONS OR A WARRANT REQUEST, THE PERSON SHE'LL BE FOUND IN VIOLATION.
SO I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN YOUR SCENARIO, YOU, OR IF YOU'RE ABLE TO GET A DEPUTY TO COME OUT AND THE DEPUTY THAT HAD THE TIME TO WRITE THE LETTER, BUT EITHER I READ THAT AS EITHER THE PERSON BOTHERED BY IT OR, OR A DEPUTY.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
THAT'S ALL, UH, NO PERSON SHOULD BE FOUND IN VIOLATION UNLESS IT'S BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE THE COURT COMPETENT EVIDENCE.
SO YOU'RE NOT PROTECTING THE COURT UNLESS THERE'S COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT THE BOARD HAD PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY SUMMITS W W REQUESTED THE ABATEMENT.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO READ THAT AGAIN.
LET ME IT DOESN'T SAY WHO'S ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW.
THERE COULD BE A SITUATION IN WHICH A COMPLAINANT MIGHT BE FEARFUL OF A NEIGHBOR FOR REASONS THAT DON'T HAVE TO DO WITH NOISE.
BUT, UM, AND SO A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER MAY BE WILLING TO, UM, PROVIDE, BE THE PERSON TO PROVIDE THE NOTICE.
AND THAT'S NOT, WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE WRONG.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS, IT'S MORE LIKELY TO BE THE COMPLAINANT.
AND THAT IS, UM, I SAID THIS BASED ON THE ANIMAL, UH, NEWS TO THE COMPANION ANIMAL NEWS SINCE, AND IT IS THAT ORDINANCE DOES NOT SAY WRITTEN NOTICE BY CERTIFIED MAIL, BUT AS IT TURNS OUT, THAT'S WHAT THE JUDGE WANTS TO SEE.
SO WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY AND TIM CLOTH OF ANIMAL PROTECTION, THEY'RE LIKE, THE JUDGE WANTS TO SEE WRITTEN NOTICE SENT BY CERTIFIED MAIL.
SO WE PUT IN ACTUALLY IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT IN THERE THAT'S WHAT HAS TO BE SENT.
UM, AND SO THAT NOTICE WOULD GET SENT.
AND THEN THAT NEIGHBOR HAS TO CHOOSE TO CONTINUE THAT SAME SATURDAY NIGHT PARTY.
LIKE, YEAH, I GOT THIS LETTER, BUT I DON'T REALLY CARE ANYMORE.
I'M I'M GONNA, I'M NOT GOING TO TRY AND TALK TO MY NEIGHBOR ABOUT IT.
I'M NOT GOING TO TRY AND END EARLIER.
I'M NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING, BUT KEEP HAVING A PARTY EVERY SATURDAY NIGHT OR EVERY OTHER SATURDAY NIGHT.
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OF THE NUISANCE AFTER, AFTER, AND WHATEVER YOU WANT TO THAT'S CORRECT.AND THEN YOU WOULD GO TO THE MAGISTRATE TO REQUEST THAT A SUMMONS BE ISSUED FOR THE VIOLATION.
AND THAT MAGISTRATE HAS TO BE CONVINCED THAT WHAT OCCURRED TO YOU, WHAT YOU HAD HAPPENED TO YOU WAS AN UNREASONABLE DISRUPTION OF THE PEACEFUL ENJOYMENT OF YOUR HOME.
SO YOU WOULD BE TELLING THEM WHEN IT HAPPENED AND HOW LOUD IT WAS, AND YOU'D HAVE YOUR COPY OF YOUR RETURN RECEIPT LETTER.
AND YOU'D SAY, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T, I CAN'T ENJOY MY HOUSE.
HE HAS TO BE CONVINCED THAT THAT'S A NUISANCE AND THEN HE CAN ISSUE A SUMMONS.
AND THEN YOU WOULD TAKE THAT SAME INFORMATION TO COURT AND CONVINCE THE JUDGE BEFORE A VIOLATION CAN BE FOUND.
I PROBABLY HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO LOOK GOOD FOR NOW.
THERE MIGHT BE A CHARGE, BUT THERE'S NO ANYTHING ELSE FOR NOW.
UM, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ORDINANCE IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD.
UH, FOLKS AND, AND SOME PEOPLE ONLINE TOO.
ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE, TO THE BOARD ON THE NOISE NUISANCE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT YOU JUST HEARD PRESENTED BY OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, PLEASE COME FORWARD UP.
UM, REMEMBER YOU'RE BEING RECORDED, SPEAK CLEARLY.
IF YOU REMOVE THE MASK, IT'LL HELP, HELP US UNDERSTAND AND HELP THE TRANSCRIPTION SOFTWARE AND LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
WELL, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, HER NAME IS DAVID WINCHESTER.
I LIVE AT 33 76 NORTH ROAD AND SANDY HOOK.
THERE'S A DEFINITELY NEED FOR NOISE ORDINANCE HERE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
TWO YEARS AGO, A COMMITTEE WAS FORMED TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE UNDER TARA MCGEE'S GARDENS, FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND MYSELF DURING MANY MEETINGS AND MUCH DISCUSSION AND THOUGHT CAME UP WITH SUCH AN ORDINANCE IS COMPREHENSIVE AND FAIR.
THIS ORDINANCE, DOESN'T SAY PEOPLE CAN MAKE NOISE.
WE SPECIFICALLY DECIDED TO CALL IT A NUISANCE NOISE ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS REPETITIVE NOISE GOOSE WINDOWS IS CITIZENS THIS ORDINANCE.
SO WE CAN ENJOY OUR HOMES AND PROPERTIES AND PEACE AND QUIET ALL SURROUNDING COUNTIES.
AND RYKO HANOVER, PELOTON, CHESTERFIELD, EVEN BUCKINGHAM HAVE NOISE ORDINANCES.
GOOCHLAND IS GROWING RAPIDLY AND THE NEED FOR THIS ORDINANCE INCREASES BY THE DAY.
THERE WAS NO REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE.
UM, EACH OF YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE SHERIFF EXPRESSING HIS APOLOGIES FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, BUT WE DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, CONCERNS FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WERE PUT ON RECORD DURING THIS MEETING.
SO THE CONCERNS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UM, IS THE SUBJECTIVITY OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE.
USE DIVORCE AS UNREASONABLE AND SUBSTANTIAL MAY BE INTERPRETED DIFFERENT BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND DEFINITELY DIFFERENT DEPUTY TO DEPUTY ON WHAT THEY DETERMINED A DEPUTY DETERMINES IS UNREASONABLE OR SUBSTANTIAL WHILE DEPUTIES HAVE TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS ON, UH, OTHER SUBJECTIVE LAWS.
THIS ORDINANCE COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN DEPUTIES AND CITIZENS.
IF THE DEPUTIES WOULD DETERMINE AN INSTANCE OF A NUISANCE DOES OR DOES NOT MEET AND DEEM THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS ORDINANCE.
AND THE SECOND CONCERN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SAYS IS, UM, THE LACK OF ALLOWABILITY UNDER THE ORDINANCE FOR CITIZENS TO TARGET PRACTICE WHEN THEY'RE ON PROPERTY.
UM, BEING AWARE AS MANY OF YOU PROBABLY ARE, UM, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF DEPUTIES FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE LIVE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, WE'RE NOT AFFORDED FREE USE OF ANY RANGES TO MAINTAIN SHOOTING SKILLS ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UM, SO A LOT OF US DO USE OUR OWN PROPERTY TO MAINTAIN FIREARMS PROFICIENCY.
UM, THE SAME LETTER THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM THE SHERIFF I HAVE HERE THAT I'LL GIVE TO MS. BESIDES WITS TO, UH, ENTER INTO RECORD FOR OFFICIAL.
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COME ON UP MY NAME, EXCUSE ME.I LIVE ON 23, 77 REDSTONE DRIVE AND MAIDENS.
UM, WHEN I FIRST WALKED IN HERE, I WAS TOTALLY AGAINST ANY KIND OF NOISE ORDINANCE AND I STILL KIND OF AM FOR ONE REASON, PRIMARILY IS THEIR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS HAVE BEEN UNDER ATTACK.
I THINK ANYBODY WHO WATCHES THE NEWS AND I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE GONE ON LATELY.
UM, I WOULD HATE TO SEE A NOISE ORDINANCE USE TO ATTACK GUN OWNERS, TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THEIR FIREARMS. WE KNOW THAT IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR, UH, PROFICIENCY, MUCH LIKE, UM, THE CAPTAIN SAID, AND IF WE NEED TO PRACTICE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND I WAS IN THIS ROOM OVER HERE A LITTLE WHILE AGO, AND I THINK, UH, JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY AND THERE WAS ONLY THE COMMITTEE, SO I GOT AN EDUCATION.
SO, SO, AND I, YOU KNOW, HEARTFELT, UH, EDUCATION BECAUSE I DO HEAR THEIR CRIES FOR HELP.
UH, I NOW UNDERSTAND THAT I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE AN ATV.
I HAVE, UH, I, I RARELY PLAY LOUD MUSIC ANYMORE CAUSE I CAN'T HEAR ANYMORE, BUT IT, UH, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT, UH, THEIR PRIVACY AND THEIR PEACE AND QUIET.
I'VE LIVED IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, MY ENTIRE LIFE AS, UM, MY FATHER AND MY GRANDFATHER DID.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME, THE SUBJECTIVENESS SCARES ME.
I TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN WARN HIM AWARE OF IT.
I REALIZED UNDER COVID ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATIONS HAVE GONE HAYWIRE.
SO I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT CREATING LAWS, UH, AGAINST ONE CITIZEN AGAINST THE ELDER, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE DEFINITIVE, UH, IDEA OF WHAT'S EXPECTED OF ME.
YOU KNOW, IF I'M GOING TO GO OUT AND SHOOT 25 TIMES AND MY NEIGHBOR'S GOING TO CALL ON ME, YOU KNOW, THAT OBVIOUSLY IS RIDICULOUS, BUT IT'S HIS WORD AGAINST MINE QUITE OFTEN.
AND THEN WE PUT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND THEY HAVE TO COME OUT AND WORK BETWEEN US.
UM, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED A BETTER WAY OF, UH, OF DEFINING EXACTLY WHAT IS, UH, ALLOWABLE BY THE CITIZENS.
UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH DIGESTIVE WHAT IT NOW I HAD TO SAY, UH, I HAD A SPEECH PREPARED, BUT AFTER TALKING TO THEM, I CHANGED IT AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THE EDUCATION, BUT GOOD PEOPLE BY THE WAY.
I HOPE YOU'LL BE READY TO HEAR THEM.
I'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND THOUGHT WHAT YOU DID DOING IT.
SO HEY, FOR MY TEETH IS ACTUAL.
I DON'T WANT TO BE SHOWING ME.
JUST GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO THAT MICROPHONE SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.
I LIVE ON PACE TOWN ROAD IN SANDY HOOK, VIRGINIA.
UH, I'VE BEEN LIVING ALL MY LIFE.
I'M AN 82 YEAR OLD MAN AND MY NEIGHBORS HAVE BILL.
ONE OF THESE THINGS, WAIT, YOU CAN RANGE THE LITTLE COSTS, MAN 2D.
AND FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS HE BEEN BULL NOSES.
POWERSELLERS SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
YOU COME FROM CHURCH, YOU START TO SET OUT AND HABIT AND ACTUALLY AN AFTERNOON AND YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE TO NOAH'S.
IT'S SO BAD AND FRIENDS CAN'T COME TO THE HOUSE ON THAT ACCOUNT.
AND A LOT OF TIMES SHE WAS ON OXYGEN AND THE DIESEL FUEL IS COMING UP ON MY DECK AND ACTUALLY WE'RE COMING INTO THE HOUSE AND THEY RUN THESE THINGS ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS AND ON, UH, THEY GOT THE LOUD SPEAKERS UP IN THE TREES.
AND WHILST YOU'RE TALKING ON THE LAST, BECAUSE THE DOGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS BALKAN AND EXCUSE THE EXPRESSION.
AND I'M LIVING A HELL OF A LIFE RIGHT NOW.
AND UH, LIKE I SAY, I'VE BEEN NOW ALL MY LIFE AND FATHER BULLISH CAN TELL YOU MY WIFE, YOU GOING THROUGH A LOT OF HEALTH PROBLEMS. AND I DON'T THINK I SHOULD HAVE TO LIVE ON AT EAST CONDITION.
LIKE I SAY, I'VE BEEN ALL MY LIFE AND ME AND MY WIFE AND MY 60 YEARS, AND THIS CAN BE A NUISANCE.
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AND I ACTUALLY HAD TO GO TO THE DOCTOR ON MONDAY AND HE SAVED ALL COMING FROM STRESS.WHAT'S THE SAYINGS I HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH MY WIFE AND THE NOAH'S AND THINGS ON WEEKENDS, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
IT'S ABOUT 200 YARDS AWAY FROM MY HOUSE WHERE I JUST KNOW I WAS JUST COMING.
AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS NOW FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS, PUTTING THE STRUGGLE I HAVEN'T BEEN IN.
IT WAS A DRAG STRIP, I GUESS SHE QUITE ANYONE NEED A LITTLE CARS AROUND THE TRACK AND I WISH I COULD DO SOMETHING TO HELP ME IN THIS SITUATION.
HELLO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MANNY ALVAREZ, UH, 29 60.
UM, I ALSO HAD A SPEECH PREPARED, BUT YOU GOT SOME OVER THE LAST NIGHT WHEN I SENT IT TO YOUR LEG.
UH, HOPE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT, BUT I'VE ALSO WANT TO FOCUS ON IT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK YOU SHOULD DEFER THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN MEETING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, COVID REALLY KEPT US OUT OF THE LIMELIGHT UNTIL THEY GOT THAT ARTICLE LAST WEEK.
AND I STARTED GETTING CALLS FROM PEOPLE AND I'M NO LONGER ON THE BOARD, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK A LITTLE MORE TIME, WE TOOK A LONG TIME WITH THE NUISANCE ANIMAL ORDINANCE.
AND WHEN WE ACTUALLY HEARD THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY MY FIRST DAY AS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, WE GOT APPLAUSE FROM THE AUDIENCE.
WHAT CAN, UH, DO SOME, GOT ALL THE, ALL THE NEGATIVE STUFF I GOT LOST.
SO JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT MULTIPLE TIMES.
I HAVE TO, I THINK THE ORDINANCE, MY, MY CONCERN WITH THE ORDINANCE TOO BROAD AND TOO, UM, SUBJECTIVE.
I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT REPETITIVE, REASONABLE, UNREASONABLE, SUBSTANTIAL, THAT COULD MEAN A LOT OF THINGS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD NEED TO DO MORE ABOUT IT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE WITH DECIBEL THAT WOULD PROBABLY PUT THE DEPUTIES IN THE MIDDLE AS WELL, BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TO CARRY IT THE METER.
UM, WELL THE CONCERN IS THAT THIS ORDINANCE, BASICALLY THE LAST HEARING, WE FOCUSED ON KEEPING GOOCHLAND RURAL, AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT KEEPING GUZMAN RULE.
AND YET WE'RE SAYING ANYBODY, IF A FARMHOUSE AND RESIDENTS OWN IT, IT IS NOW RESIDENTIAL.
AND I THINK THAT KIND OF GOES AGAINST OUR GOALS.
UM, THE OTHER THING ABOUT THAT IS THAT WHEN WE CREATED THE CHICKEN ORDINANCE, WHICH WE WERE BEHIND THE CITY OF RICHMOND AND HAVING CHICKENS ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UH, WE HAD A COUPLE OF, UM, UH, REGULATIONS WITHOUT NO MORE THAN SIX CHICKENS BE ALLOWED AND NO MALE CHICKENS.
UM, SO I HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO'S GOT ABOUT FOUR ACRES AND HE'S GOT LOTS OF CHICKENS AND LOTS OF ROOSTERS, AND THEY START GROWING AT FOUR 30 IN THE MORNING.
CAN I TOMORROW FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST THEM BECAUSE OF THE ROOSTERS, BECAUSE THEY NOW ESSENTIALLY ARE, UH, NO LONGER A FORUM THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD BASED ON THIS ORDINANCE.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW MORE TIME FOR CITIZENS TO MULL THIS OVER, UH, EXTENT ALL AGRICULTURAL, UH, PROPERTIES, NOT JUST ACTIVITIES, UH, TAKE THE SUBJECTIVITY OUT AT DECIBEL LEVELS, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW DIFFICULT THAT WOULD BE B.
UM, BUT WE HAVE MR. BASED DESERVES HELP, UH, SECTION 48 DASH ONE OF THE VIRGINIA CODE ALLOWS FOR FIVE STUDENTS IS TO FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE COURT.
I SEE FIVE CITIZENS IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST TO FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE COURT AND ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
AND I THINK HIS ISSUE SHOULD BE, UM, CORRECTED DIFFERENTLY THAN THIS ORDINANCE AND TAKE THE DEPUTIES OUT OF THE MIDDLE.
IF I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A NEIGHBOR, I SHOULD GO TO THE NEIGHBOR.
IF I DO IT LETTER OR IN PERSON, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO THAT NEIGHBOR AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE, NOT PUT THE DEPUTIES IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
UM, SO, AND LASTLY, I KNOW MY TIME IS UP APARTMENT COMPLEX IS IF YOU ACCEPT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHAT IF THEY BECOME THE NOISEMAKER? I'VE BEEN TO A PARTY AT 2000 WEST CREEK, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED AND THEY HAVE A BAND OUTSIDE OF MUSIC.
WHAT ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORS? SO MAYBE THEY HAVE REGULATIONS AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARTY.
SO ALL THE NEIGHBORS KNOW IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARTY, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR? SO I THINK WE EITHER NEED TO REMOVE THAT EXEMPTION OR MODIFIED, AND I HAVE A LOT MORE, BUT I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
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HI, MY NAME IS CARA BEVEL OLIVER OFF CEDAR PLAINS OVER IN SANDY HOOK, KARA BEVEL, B E V I L L E.MY HUSBAND'S HERE WITH ME TOO.
SO YOU CAN COUNT THIS AS A TWOFER.
WE'RE BOTH SAYING THE SAME THING, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BOTH SPEAK.
UM, BUT BASICALLY I CAME TO YOU GUYS IN 2007, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD MOVED INTO THE AREA AND WE HAD A NEIGHBOR AND, UM, THEY WERE HAVING PARTIES THREE TO FOUR NIGHTS A WEEK.
THEY'D START ANYWHERE FROM THREE, FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
AND THEY BUMPED UNTIL THREE, FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND I'M NOT TALKING NORMAL MUSIC CAUSE I LIKE TO PARTY AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MUSIC.
THIS WAS SHAKED, THEIR WALLS, PICTURES FALLING OFF.
AND MY LITTLE TWO YEAR OLD RUNNING OUT KWAME I'M LIKE, WHAT IS THAT? AND I'M LIKE, GO BACK TO BED.
UM, AND THERE WAS LOTS OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
I'M NOT GOING TO BORE YOU AT BOARD, YOU BEFORE WITH SOME OF THE DETAILS.
UM, AND SO THEN IN, UM, THAT WENT ON FOR SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AND I WORKED WITH MR. SALES BEFORE HE LEFT AND WELL, NO, AND WE GOT NOWHERE, BUT, UM, THAT WAS UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT WAS WHAT IT WAS SO FAST FORWARD, WE JUST KIND OF DEALT BECAUSE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE, UM, OUR NEIGHBORS HAD SAID, YOU HAVE TO LET IT BE BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE WERE RETALIATE.
WELL, I'M NOT AFRAID OF THEM RETALIATING, BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO START A CONFRONTATION EITHER.
SO I CAN'T GO OVER AND TALK TO THEM BECAUSE THEY MIGHT DO SOMETHING TO MY PROPERTY, BUT I WANT TO FIX THIS.
AND I FELT LIKE MY HANDS WERE TIED SO FAST FORWARD A COUPLE YEARS, YOUNG KID PROPERTIES ARE DIVIDED, MOM AND STEPDAD BUY HIM A PROPERTY.
HE MOVES IN AND HE'S GOT HIS DECK AND NEW PROPERTY, NEW PARENTS.
AND HE'S 20 YEARS OLD AND HE'S GOT MONEY TO BURN MY HUSBAND AND I ARE TWO EIGHT PEOPLE.
IF YOU CAME FOR THEM, I'D BE STANDING BEFORE YOU RIGHT HERE TONIGHT SAYING, NOPE, NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
THIS YOUNG KID WAS THROWING OFF A THOUSAND ROUNDS ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS FROM ONE O'CLOCK TO FIVE, SIX O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING FROM JANUARY UNTIL MAY.
NOW I HAD LIKE, I WAS READY TO, I HAD HAD ENOUGH, THERE IS SMART SHOOTING, WHICH THESE OFFICERS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO.
AND I WOULD SUPPORT THE BOARD, GETTING THEM THEIR OWN FIRING RANGE HERE IN THE COUNTY.
AS A CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTY, THERE ARE SMART SHOOTING AND MOST GUN OWNERS DO THAT.
BUT YOU HAVE INSTANCES IN THIS COUNTY WHERE PEOPLE ARE UNREASONABLE AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBOR.
IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE WORLD THAT WE'RE LIVING IN THESE DAYS AND THEY DO THESE THINGS.
THEY CAN'T EVEN GO PLAY IN THEIR BACKYARD.
CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE DRINKING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE GUYS ARE DOING.
AND I'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT SAFETY FIRST AND THEN THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING ON FOR SIX HOURS, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW NERVE WRACKING THAT CAN BE.
SO I GOT IN THIS FIGHT BECAUSE AT THAT POINT I'M A TWO TIME TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY SURVIVOR.
AND IT WAS LITERALLY JUST MAKING ME LIKE, I'M PAYING MY TAXES, I'M PAYING MY MORTGAGE.
PEACEFULLY, SHOOT OFF YOUR DECK.
SIX HOURS IS A LITTLE RIDICULOUS.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WHEN I SAT ON THE BOARD THAT WASN'T MY THING.
I DON'T HAVE A BIG ISSUE WITH THE DEPUTY'S TARGET.
SHE NEAR ANYBODY TARGET SHOOTING.
THIS KID WAS DOING THIS EVERY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, FOUR MONTHS, SIX MONTHS TILL I GOT THE SHERIFF INVOLVED.
AND THEN I CALLED, I WAS READY TO CALL HIS PARENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO MY POINT IN THIS STUDY IS TO LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT WE ARE, WHEN YOU'RE NOT AFFECTED.
IT WAS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED AREAS IN THE COUNTY THAT WE WERE SEEING THIS, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED IT DRASTICALLY UNHINDERED YOUR WORLD.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL CONSIDER IT, CONSIDER NOT DEFERRING THIS AND ACTUALLY PROTECT YOUR CITIZENS THAT ARE DRASTICALLY AFFECTED BY THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE CHOOSING TO BE UNNEIGHBORLY.
I KNOW WE HAVE GOT SOME EMAILS.
WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE ONLINE, BUT COME ON UP MR. WILLIS, MY NAME IS RICHARD WALLACE.
I LIVE AT 27 40 PERKINS GO ROAD AND MAIDENS, VIRGINIA.
I'VE LIVED IN THIS COUNTY FOR 50 YEARS.
MY ANCESTORS LIVED HERE BEFORE THE, THE COUNTY WAS CHARTERED.
I PAY TAXES FOR 50 YEARS IN A LOT OF THEM, A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND SO I'M GOING TO SKIP THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY, BUT I THREE POINTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE THREE TOPICS TO TALK ABOUT THE NOISE COMPLAINTS, PETITIONS AND ALL THE COUNTY NOISE, ORDINANCES NOAH'S COMPLAINTS.
I SPOKE TO MS. DIANE WOODSON'S OR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ON MARCH 20TH, 2019.
SHE TOLD ME IN A 10 YEAR PERIOD FROM 2018, FROM 20 2008 TO 2018, THERE WERE 948 COMPLAINTS BOX.
WHEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THAT'S NOT OUR IN 48 COMPLAINTS, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IMPACTED A HECK OF A LOT MORE PEOPLE WERE IMPACTED THAN THOSE, JUST THOSE COMPLAINANT PERSONS THEMSELVES.
BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WERE IMPACTED BY OTHERS,
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THAT NOISE.AND SO IF YOU DO SOME SIMPLE MATH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU FIGURE FIVE PEOPLE MAYBE ARE SIDE OF THE COMPLAINANTS FAMILY WERE IMPACTED NOT 148, FIVE.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR, 5,000 PEOPLE IMPACTED IN IN 10 YEARS.
UH, AND SO IT'S A DRAMATIC PROBLEM.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
IT'S BEEN PUT OFF LONG ENOUGH.
IT'S THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE SUCH AN ORDINANCE AND THE SHERIFF'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DO WHAT'S NECESSARY TO ENFORCE IT.
NOT TO HAND IT OFF TO THE CITIZENS, TO ENFORCE IT UNLESS YOU'VE EXPERIENCED THE SUCCESS EXCESSIVE REPETITIVE DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY NOISE, YOU CANNOT FATHOM THE IMPACT IT HAS ON YOU.
THESE ARE THE NOISE COMPLAINT, MR. PACE, MR. WINCHESTER, AND I CONTACTED, UH, MORE THAN, UH, WELL, WE GOT MORE THAN 160 SIGNATURES ON THIS PETITION.
THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 224, BUT OH, THE HUNDRED AND 60 PEOPLE SIGNATURES, WE ALL HAD.
WE ONLY HAVE SIX PER SIX PEOPLE AS OUR MEMORY CAN RECONSTRUCT SIX PEOPLE THAT REFUSE TO SIGN.
THAT'S ONLY 4% OR 96% OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY OR ASKING YOU SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE THIS NOISE NOTES.
AND THIS IS, THESE ARE THE SIGNATURES AND I'LL LEAVE A COFFIN FOR Y'ALL.
OKAY, MR. WELLS, GO AHEAD AND WRAP UP IT.
ALL THE BORDER ENCOUNTERS I HAVE CONTACTED HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE AND I'VE HAD NOISE ORDINANCE FOR YEARS HAD OR RICHMOND, CHESTERFIELD OR CAROLINE LEWIS, POWER TAN AND RECORD COMLIN FLEW.
AMHERST, BUCKINGHAM, AND NELSON, AS RURAL AS THEY ARE, HAVE ORDINANCES.
AND THE REAL KICK IN THE BUTT HERE IS THERE'S DETRACTION AND THE DISTURBANCE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT IS SERIOUSLY IMPACTING OUR CITIZENRY.
IT'S DONE BY PEOPLE HAVING FUN.
THEY'RE HAVING FUN AT THE EXPENSE OF A LAW BUYER'S LAW, ABIDING CITIZENS HERE, AND IT'S WRONG.
IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE A LOUD, BEEN LOUD TO GET TO THE STAGE AND IT NEEDS TO STOP AND WE DON'T NEED TO CONTINUE IT.
WE DON'T NEED TO CRITICIZE MS. MCGEE'S EXTRAORDINARY WORK IN PUTTING THIS PAPER TOGETHER.
THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE ADVERSELY IMPACTED DRAMATICALLY ADVERSELY IMPACTED TO PUT THIS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AGAIN, LOANER PERIOD.
DID YOU WANT TO LEAVE ANY, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THE MATERIALS YOU PROVIDED BEFORE.
DID YOU WANT TO LEAVE ANYTHING WITH US? THIS IS, THESE ARE THE SIGNATURES.
YOU CAN LEAVE IT RIGHT THERE AND WE'LL PICK IT UP.
ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE GO TO ONLINE, ANYBODY IN THE INMATE ROOM? GOOD AFTERNOON.
UM, JOHN'S LAO 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
IT'S KIND OF NICE TO BE FOLLOWING THE OTHER CITIZENS, MAKING COMMENTS.
UM, I HAVE SHARED MY COMMENTS WITH YOU BY EMAIL EARLIER.
UM, I AM GOING TO ASK THAT YOU DEFER OR DENY THIS ORDINANCE AS IT IS DRAFTED AND THEREFORE REASONS FOR THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANT TO SAY I GOT TO BE A VISITOR AND ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND I DO SOUL FULLY APPRECIATE THE AGRICULTURAL EXCLUSIONS.
AND MR. PETERSON, YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO KNOW THERE'S EXCLUSIONS ARE.
SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW BECAUSE YOU COULD COUNT, YOU COULD PASS A COUNTY ORDINANCE.
AND IF IT'S IN CONFLICT WITH THE RIGHT TO FARM ACT, GUESS WHAT? IT DON'T HOLD WATER.
SO YOU MAY IN THE DRAFT THAT SAYS, IF IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL LAW, YOU MIGHT WANT TO SAY WITH STATE LAW TOO.
BUT MY CONCERNS ARE FOUR-FOLD.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I RECOGNIZE NOT EVERYBODY'S A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
I WAS ONCE THE JERK NEIGHBOR, CAUSE I HAD SOME DOGS THAT WERE BARKING AT MY NEIGHBORS, BUT THEY CAME AND TALKED TO ME AND I GOT THOSE BEAGLES TRAINED AND THEY DON'T PARK AT THE NEIGHBORS ANYMORE.
BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT THE DEFINITIONS ARE SUBJECTIVE AND WHAT ANNOYS ME MY LIFE, MY WIFE LIKES OPERA.
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SO GUESS WHAT? WHEN OPERA IS ON I'M ANNOYED, BUT I'M STILL MARRIED.UM, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE TREATS EVERYBODY THE SAME HOCKET ROAD.
SUBDIVISIONS ARE THE SAME AS RASCAL WAY ON THE FLUVANNA COUNTY LINE.
SO IF IT'S A RESIDENCE, WE'RE ALL THE SAME.
I HAVE BEEN ON MY PROPERTY, 150 ACRES.
IF I HAD SUCH A SPREAD AND I'M TARGET SHOOTING EVERY SATURDAY FOR MAYBE THREE OR FIVE HOURS, MY COUSIN COMES OVER.
HE SELLS HIS HOUSE NEXT TO MY PROPERTY.
SOMEBODY MOVES IN, THEY DON'T LIKE MY TARGET, PRACTICING WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS BECAUSE THAT'S A RESIDENCE FAMA RESIDENCE.
NOW I'M A NUISANCE TO SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST MOVED HERE ON SOMETHING I'VE BEEN DOING FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS.
CAN YOU GRANDFATHER IT? AND I AM A SECOND AMENDMENT PERSON.
ALL LEGAL ACTIVITY SHOULD BE LEGAL.
THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT LEGAL FIREARM ACTIVITY.
SO MY FOURTH ONE IS AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, I BELIEVE IT IS 48, A A 48 ONE.
I THINK THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET WHAT I CALL MALICIOUS.
OBJECTIVE DISRUPTIVE NOISE ADDRESSED RIGHT NOW.
I CALL IT THE BABY SHARK SYNDROME.
IF SOMEBODY IS DELIBERATELY PLAYING MUSIC OR MAKING NOISE TO IRRITATE NEIGHBORS, THERE IS A SOLUTION.
AND IT DOESN'T REALLY REQUIRE THIS ORDINANCE.
THAT BEING SAID, I THINK A NOISE ORDINANCE WOULDN'T BE A BAD ONE, BUT THE ONE DRAFTED RIGHT HERE, SUBJECTIVE.
IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE NUANCES OF REALITY.
AND I DO THINK THAT WE ARE SOMETIMES FORCING SOCIAL COMPLIANCE AS OPPOSED TO ENCOURAGING NEIGHBORS, TALKING TO NEIGHBORS.
WHEN MY DOGS ARE BARKING, MR. GAZER CAME AND TALKED TO ME, I GOT MY DOGS TRAINED.
SO FIRST STEP TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS.
IF THAT DOESN'T WORK OUT, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU GOT BABY SHARK MUSIC, NEIGHBORS, AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ORDINANCE.
THE WAY IT'S DRAFTED RIGHT NOW, SOMETHING CAN BE DONE.
WOULD MISS TARA, JOHN PARKER, BRANDT, PLEASE SPEAK.
DID YOU CALL FOR JOHN PARKER? IS THAT WHO YOU CALL FOR? HE'S THE PERSON WHO EMAILED ME.
MR. JOHN PARKER, BRETT, YOU CAN UNMUTE, PLEASE.
I'VE ACTUALLY SIMILAR CONCERNS TO WHAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY BOYCE AND THE SHERIFF HAS APPARENTLY WRITTEN.
ALTHOUGH I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT UNTIL TONIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THAT DON'T PASS IT TONIGHT AND DEFER IT AGAIN.
AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN DEFERRED WAY TOO MANY TIMES WHERE IF IT'S THE PAST AND THEN SOME AMENDMENTS ARE BROUGHT FORWARD AT A LATER DATE, MAYBE THAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION BECAUSE I THINK WE DO GET A NOISE ORDINANCE, UH, REPETITIVE AND NUISANCE.
UM, I TAUGHT MY GRASS EVERY SATURDAY, CAUSE I WORKED MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
IN FACT, I WAS PLANNING ON COMING TO THE MEETING AND TALKING ABOUT SEVEN 30 WAS ROLLING UP AND I'M STILL HERE.
UM, NOW THAT I SEE HOW LATE IT IS, I COULD HAVE MADE IT OBVIOUSLY, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, KEEP, MY NAME IS DEFINITELY A LOT OF HEAT PUMP.
HE PROBABLY NEEDS TO GET FIXED IT'S ANNOYANCE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO CLUB NOISE ORDINANCE COMPLAINT AGAINST HIM.
BUT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA.
I CUT MY GRASS EVERY SATURDAY.
IT CAN BE ANNOYING IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON PARTY, YOU DO BACKYARD.
UM, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS NEED ADDRESSING.
UM, WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF BURDEN ON THE SHERIFF, UM, OR ON TAKING IT WHERE YOU FIRST NOTIFY THE PERSON IN WRITING AND THEN PRESS CHARGES, THEN GET THE COURT TO BRING IT FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT PROCEDURE IS, WHETHER WE PAT W WHETHER YOU PASS WHAT'S BEFORE YOU, SO WE CAN GET SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS AND THEN LET THE COMMITTEE CONTINUE TO FINE TUNE IT FOR AN AMENDMENT.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST IDEA IN MY OPINION, BUT I'M NOT INTO WRITING LEGISLATION, UM, THINKING THAT'S MY ENEMY.
AND, UH, I THINK HE, WE DIDN'T HEAR THE BEGINNING, MAYBE THE VERY FIRST PART OF HIS REMARKS, BUT HE IS ON HICKORY COURT IN MANNEQUIN, SABBATH, NEXT PERSON ONLINE
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IF WE HAVE ANOTHER PERSON.ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM WISH TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE NOISE ORDINANCE? AND I'LL GIVE IT A COUPLE MORE SECONDS.
SO, UM, ONLINE, NOBODY'S RAISING THEIR HAND.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE NUISANCE NOISE ORDINANCE NOW.
ALRIGHT, SO BOARD MEMBERS, WELL, UM, MR. MCGEE, DO YOU MIND COMING BACK AND FEELING A FEW QUESTIONS? I DO NOT.
UM, I KNOW, UM, YOU EMPHASIZED AND I, AND I, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I AS LAWYERS KNOW THIS, BUT IT'S CIVIL, IT'S A CIVIL SANCTION.
AND IT GIVES THE FLEXIBILITY, I THINK, TO MAYBE IT CREATES SOME OF THE SUBJECTIVE OR PERMITS, OR KIND OF OPENS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SUBJECTIVE THAN MAYBE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BECAUSE IT'S CIVIL.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME STANDARDS.
UM, AND AGAIN, UH, SORRY, I DIDN'T ASK THIS IN ADVANCE, BUT YOU'VE HEARD MR. WILLIS AND OTHER FOLKS HAVE SAID SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS HAVE NOISE ORDINANCES.
UM, ARE THEY, ARE THEY ALL CIVIL, SOME CIVIL, SOME CRIMINAL, UH, A MIXTURE.
DO WE KNOW, UM, I KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE SURROUNDING ORDINANCES, BUT I FOCUSED LESS ON WHAT THE PENALTY IS.
UM, HANOVER'S I HAPPEN TO KNOW IS CIVIL.
UM, I THINK THERE'S STILL A MIXTURE OF WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THE LOCAL ORDINANCES.
THE, UH, THE NEED TO CHANGE YOUR ORDINANCE CAME UP IN 2009 FROM A, UH, VIRGINIA SUPREME COURT DECISION.
THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CIVIL PENALTY FOR NOISE WASN'T PASSED UNTIL AT LEAST SPRING OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR, OR MAYBE 2011.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WAS PASSED IN 2010 OR 11.
AND SO THOSE WHO CHANGED THE ORDINANCES RIGHT AWAY PROBABLY KEPT WITH A CRIMINAL PENALTY.
THOSE THAT CAME LATER, UM, HAD THE OPTION FOR CIVIL PENALTIES.
I DO THINK IT'S MORE COMMON TO HAVE A CIVIL PENALTY TODAY.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GOING A LOT, CAUSE IT GIVES THEM SOME ALMOST NEEDED FLEXIBILITY, UM, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS? UH, MR. SPOONFLOWER.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, MS. MCGEE REGARDING, UM, MR. ALVAREZ COMMENTS REGARDING, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UM, A FARM WITH A, WITH A HOME ON IT.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, WHAT NOISES DOES THAT MEAN? IF I'M TAKING CARE OF MY FIELDS, THAT THE HOUSE IS ATTACHED TO MY PROPERTY, THAT THAT NOW IS RESIDENTIAL NOISE.
UM, THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU GIVE IS TAKING CARE OF A FIELD, UM, MR. ALVAREZ SPOKE ABOUT, UH, CHICKENS THAT ARE ON AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY EXEMPT AS AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY OCCUR.
I MEAN, AS YOU, AS MR. ALVAREZ POINTED OUT, YOU CAN NOW HAVE SOME CHICKENS ON, UM, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THOUGH.
THAT'S MOST OF THE NOISE, BUT, UM, ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY IS EXEMPT FROM THIS NOISE ORDINANCE.
AND SO THE REASON THAT IT SAYS, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT THE REASON THAT WE INCLUDED THE RESIDENT WAS THAT JUST BECAUSE I HAVE A FARM DOESN'T MEAN I GOT ROCK BAND EVERY SATURDAY, LIKE THAT'S CORRECT.
AND TO BE FAIR, NOT EVERYBODY THAT IS ON AG PROPERTY HAS A FARM.
FOR INSTANCE, A OLD OAK SUBDIVISION IS A SUBDIVISION OF HOMES, ALL BUILT ON A TWO PROPERTY, BUT IT'S LITERALLY 30 HOMES IN A SUBDIVISION.
AND THE IDEA OF THE COMMITTEE, SOME OF THEM LIVE ON THAT CULTURAL PROPERTY, RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY, BUT WHEREVER YOU LIVE INSIDE YOUR HOUSE OR YOUR DECK, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PEACEFULLY ENJOY IT.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT YOU SHOULD EXPECT THAT ABSOLUTELY 100% YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE CAIN ABOUT IS AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY, BECAUSE GOOCHLAND DOES AN AGRICULTURAL COMMITTEE, UM, COMMUNITY.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT AGAIN, THEY, THEY SAID IT HAS TO BE A NUISANCE.
I DON'T WANT ONE OF THESE ONE NOISE ORDINANCES, UM, FOLLOWING UP SORT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAD WITH MS. LAST COLETTE, I'M STILL UNCLEAR ON THE PROCESS ITSELF.
SO I DECIDED THAT I CAN'T TALK TO MY NEIGHBOR ABOUT THE NOISE, BUT I'M GOING TO SEND THEM SOMETHING IN THE MAIL.
SO I CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THE SHERIFF COMES OUT, SHERIFF'S DEPUTY COMES OUT EXPERIENCES, SOMETHING THAT WOULD, THEY CAN IDENTIFY OR THINK IS UNREASONABLE.
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UM, SO THEY WRITE A SUMMONS.NOW THAT AT THAT POINT, THERE'S NO ADMISSION OR PROOF OF GUILT.
IT HAS TO GO IN FRONT OF A JUDGE.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.
OF COURSE, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT PREVENTS YOU FROM TRYING TO TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE OF COURSE, THAT THAT COULD WORK ONCE YOU SEND THE, AND YOU MAY CALL A SHERIFF TO RESPOND BEFORE YOU WRITE A LETTER, YOU MAY ADD AGAIN, IN THE NOISE COMPLAINTS THAT YOU HAVE SINCE 2011, WE HAVEN'T HAD A NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT THERE'S STILL 60 OR 80 OR A HUNDRED TIMES THE SHERIFF IS GOING AND RESPONSE TO NOISE JUST TO TRY AND QUIET THINGS DOWN.
BUT YOU WRITE THAT LETTER AND YOUR NEIGHBOR DECIDES TO, COULD HAVE THAT NEXT SATURDAY NIGHT PARTY.
AND THE ONE AFTER THAT TO THE COMPLAINANT THEMSELVES CAN GO DOWN TO THE MAGISTRATE, UM, AND ASK FOR THEM AND THEY HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE MATCHED IT.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TYPICALLY IN THE ANIMAL CONTROL, UM, NUISANCES, THEY, IT CAN EXPLAIN THE SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE, WHAT THEY'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS WHO ARE REALLY PREPARED.
WE'LL HAVE A RECORDING OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
AND THEY'LL PROBABLY THIS, UH, ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICERS DESCRIBED TO ME.
WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A DIARY OF IT WAS ON THIS DAY, FROM THIS TIME TO THAT TIME.
AND THIS TIME TO THAT TIME TO TRY AND SHOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW SOMEBODY.
HEY, THIS REALLY IS A NUISANCE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE THE MAGISTRATE IT'S A NUISANCE.
SO AT THAT POINT, THEN THE MAGISTRATE WOULD ISSUES AS SUMMONS, THE SUMMONS GETS SERVED ON THE NEIGHBOR AND THEN THE NEIGHBOR AND THE COMPLAINANT.
AND IF THERE ARE OTHER WITNESSES WHICH COULD INCLUDE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO MAY BECAME OUT IN TO THE PROPERTY AND ASKED SOMEBODY TO TURN IT DOWN OR QUIET DOWN WOULD GO BEFORE COURT FOR TRIAL.
AND THEN THE JUDGE HAS TO BE CONVINCED IT'S A NUISANCE.
SO THERE COULD BE SITUATIONS THEN THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ISN'T INVOLVED AT ALL THAT COULD OCCUR PROBABLY HIGHLY UNLIKELY, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN.
THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR NOW OR A CHICKEN
AND THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES AGAIN THAT WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING ON AGRICULTURALLY ZONED PROPERTY, THEY, THEY MAY NOT FARM OR EVEN HAVE A CHICKEN.
AND THAT JUST IS THE MOST COMMON DESIGNATION OF PROPERTY ACROSS GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
SO I'M REALLY TORN BETWEEN THE IMMEDIATE NEED FOR SITUATIONS THAT ARE OCCURRING TODAY.
A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN HERE TODAY AND GETTING THIS, JUST GETTING THIS RIGHT.
AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TWO WAY STUFF.
WHAT IS THE STORY WITH A 48.1 VIRGINIA CODE 48.1? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE TO CATCH THE IMMEDIATE ONES WHILE WE TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT? YES.
MA'AM THAT THAT PROCESS HAS EXISTED UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, AND I'M AWARE OF IT HAVING BEEN USED BY NEIGHBORS WHO FELT THAT A PERSON'S DECISION TO FORM A, SORT OF A CHICKEN COOP IN THEIR YARD AND HAVE 80 OR FERAL CATS LIVE IN IT.
THE NEIGHBORS FELT THAT THAT WAS A NUISANCE, THAT IT WAS MORE THAN WHAT THEY SHOULD PUT UP WITH.
THEY THOUGHT IT SMELLED AND SO FORTH.
THEY FILED THAT PETITION WHERE THE CIRCUIT COURT, IT GOT REFERRED TO A GRAND JURY AND EVIDENCE WAS PRESENTED AT GRAND JURY FOUND, PRESENT MINT.
AND THEN IT CAME BEFORE THE CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE FOR TRIAL.
UM, THE JUDGE DID NOT END UP THINKING THAT IT WAS A NUISANCE, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO USE THE PROCESS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
SO, WELL, I MEAN, MY GUT IS THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE, LIKE, UH, UH, A BIG REACTION, A GRAND JURY GOING TO COURT, UM, FOR JUST THE NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US.
UM, YEAH, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO GIVE SOME RELIEF, I THINK, TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING RIGHT NOW, BUT I DO HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE AND I DON'T WANT TO DEFER IT, BUT I WANT TO, I'M GOING TO GET RIGHT.
LET ME, LET ME ASK, LET ME PIGGYBACK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
IF YOU COULD, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. BIGGIE IN THE CORPORATE WORLD, I HAD, I HAD A PHRASE THAT I COINED, WHICH WAS ITERATE TO GREAT IS YOU START OUT WITH SOMETHING AND YOU EVOLVE IT OVER TIME.
I THINK A LOT OF TIMES, ESPECIALLY, AND RIGHTFULLY SO, WE GET VERY CAUGHT UP IN LIKE ONCE WE PUT IT IN THE BOOKS IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE THAT DEGREE OF, WE SHOULD BE THAT REVERENT ABOUT THE LAW.
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THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY TO COME BACK LUCKILY OR UNLUCKILY WE'RE HERE EVERY MONTH.
AND IS THERE THE ABILITY TO ITERATE THIS TO GREAT, CERTAINLY, UM, AS IS THE CASE FOR ANY ORDINANCE THAT YOU PASS YOU'RE, YOU'RE BALANCING THE TWO THINGS.
ONE IS, THERE'S A PROBLEM I WANT TO ADDRESS.
UM, SO YOU'RE, THOSE ARE COMPETING, BUT THIS BOARD, AS YOU SAID, MEETS EVERY MONTH AND CAN PASS SOMETHING.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, ASK FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION IN THE COLLECTION OF DATA, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT MIGHT, UM, TO COME BACK WITH AN AMENDMENT, THAT'S ALWAYS AT THE, AT THE BOARD'S DETERMINATION, DON'T LET PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD.
UM, CAN I ASK YOU, MAYBE YOU CAN FEEL THE QUESTION FROM THEIR AVAILABILITY OF A MAGISTRATE.
I FIGURE YOU, YOU PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYBODY IN THE ROOM MATE MAY KNOW, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WRITING A LETTER AND THEN HEADING TO THE MAGISTRATE'S OFFICE TO GET A SUMMIT.
THE, UH, MASTERS THAT WE USE ARE OUT OF THE, UH, 16TH DISTRICT HEAVILY.
UM, THE CHANCES OF A MAGISTRATE ACTUALLY BEING IN FRONT OF YOU, PERSON FACE TO FACE IS PRETTY SLIM, BUT THE, UH, THE VIDEO CONFERENCE IS ALWAYS, SO WHERE WOULD I, IF I, IF I WANTED TO GO DO THIS, I WOULD GO TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND MAKE, MAKE AN APPOINTMENT AND HOPE.
HOPEFULLY I COULD FIND THE TIME WHEN THE MAGISTRATE'S AVAILABLE ON THE OTHER END.
I THINK THEY'RE OUT OF CHARLOTTESVILLE, MAN.
UM, ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN CITIZENS SHOW UP AND ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK TO MASTER IT, UM, IF THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY INSTRUCTIONS IN THERE ON HOW TO DO IT.
UM, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, OR THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, WE CAN HAVE DEPUTIES COME OFF THE ROAD TO, UH, TO ASSIST THEM WITH THAT AND BE ABLE TO LINK IN ON THE, UH, THE VIDEO CONFERENCE WITH THE MASTERS.
AND THEN THE REMOTE MAGISTRATE, IF THEY ISSUE THE SUMMONS, DO YOU ALL GET IT ELECTRONICALLY AND THEN YOU CAN PROCESS IT FROM THAT? YES, SIR.
SO IS IT KIND OF 24 SEVEN OR AT LEAST BUSINESS HOURS DURING LIKE NINE TO FIVE DURING THE WEEKDAYS? YEAH, THE MAGISTRATES SHOULD IN THEORY BE AVAILABLE 24 SEVEN.
I GUESS WE OBVIOUSLY DEPUTIES ARE GONNA RUN INTO SITUATIONS AT ANY TIME OF THE NIGHT AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A MAGISTRATE RIGHT.
TO OBTAIN A WARRANT OR WHATEVER ELSE.
SO IN THEORY, THEY SHOULD BE AVAILABLE 24 SEVEN.
YOU DID A MUCH BETTER JOB WITH THAT QUESTION THAN I WOULD HAVE.
DO WE HAVE MR. SHARP? I MEAN, I DON'T GET ANYBODY THAT, THAT GOES TO A MAGISTRATE OR SENDS A LETTER TO SOMEBODY THAT HASN'T TALKED TO THEIR NEIGHBOR FIRST.
HOW WOULD HOPE A MAGISTRATE WOULD REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT? AND I HOPE A JUDGE WOULD THROW IT OUT OF COURT.
I MEAN, TO, TO, IF MY NEIGHBOR GETS UP AT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND CUTS HIS GRASS, I'M GOING TO GO TALK TO HIM AND SAY, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME TILL SEVEN 30.
AND IF HE REFUSES TO DO IT AND WE CAN'T, THEN MAYBE YOU GO TO SOMEBODY ELSE, TRY AND MAKE A DECISION.
I JUST, I CANNOT IMAGINE, ALTHOUGH I SHOULDN'T, I SHOULD IMAGINE, BUT I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE PEOPLE GOING IN AND GETTING A MAGISTRATE OR SENDING CERTIFIED LETTERS IF THEY HAVEN'T TALKED TO SOMEBODY.
UM, AND IF THEY HAVEN'T THEN, AND I LOOK AT, AT, AT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO A WEDDING VENUE, EVERY TIME SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO A CAMPING FACILITY, EVERY TIME SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO, UM, OR PAX VENUE OR RASA WIC VENUE, WHAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT GETS CLAMPED DOWN.
O'CLOCK NO MUSIC BEFORE 7:00 AM, NO AMPLIFIED NOISE.
NO, THIS, NO THAT, UM, EVERYBODY'S CONCERN IS THEIR PROPERTY AND THE PEACEFUL ENJOYMENT OF IT.
SOME OF IT IS WITH BAD INTENT, NOT THE CONVERSATIONS I WAS HAVING, BUT THE STORIES THEY WERE RECOUNTING ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORS.
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THERE ARE LEGITIMATE ISSUES OUT THERE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AT SOME FASHION, WHETHER IT'S THE SPEAKERS AND THE TREES TURNED UP THE VOLUME 10 ON PURPOSE ALL DAY, ALL NIGHT, OR WHETHER IT'S FOLKS THAT OWN THE PROPERTY IN GUZZI, BUT LIVE IN FLORIDA, UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY THAT THEY RENT TO COLLEGE STUDENTS FROM VCU WHEN THEY CLOSED DOWN AND COME OUT HERE AND USE GOATS, LIMITS THEIR PLAYGROUND AND EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS FOR THE DISTURBANCE OF BEES AND THEN GO HOME.UM, SO WHERE IT'S NOT OWNER-OCCUPIED IS IT'S RENTED, IT'S LEASED BY PEOPLE, NOT FROM GOODSON.
AT WHAT POINT DO WE STEP IN? AND IF I LOOK AT THE PURPOSE OF THIS AND THE PURPOSE, IT SAYS THAT WE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENJOY THEIR HOMES.
IT SHOULDN'T BE CREATED THAT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERES WITH SOMEONE'S PEACEFUL ENJOYMENT.
SO IF I ASK THE QUESTION THE OTHER WAY, SHOULD WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO SUBSTANTIALLY DISTURB AND INTERFERE SOMEONE ELSE'S PEACE, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE, PRESUMABLY YOU'RE ENABLING THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO ON, BUT THEN YOU COME DOWN TO YOUR RIGHT TO THROW A PUNCH STOPS AT MY NOSE, YOU YOUR RIGHTS.
UM, DO, DO, DO YOUR RIGHTS, GO BEYOND YOUR PROPERTY LINE TO BE ABLE TO DISTURB A NEIGHBOR.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS WE NEED TO, UM, CONSIDER.
AND, AND SO I THINK WE'VE LISTENED TO SOME, THE STORIES.
I THINK WE DO HAVE AN ISSUE HERE.
UM, I PERSONALLY FAVOR A LIGHT TOUCH FOR GOVERNMENT, NOT A HEAVY HAND.
I LIKE TO DO SURGERY WITH A SCALPEL AND NOT WITH A CHAINSAW IN NOT PAINT WITH A BROAD BRUSH.
AND SOME OF THE RISKS WE RUN HERE IS BY PRINTING, PAINTING WITH A BROAD BRUSH THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
AND SO PERSONALLY I WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT RESONATE FOR ME.
ONE IS THE LETTER FROM THE SHERIFF RAISES BASICALLY TWO ISSUES, UM, TO A PROTECTION AND SUBJECTIVITY.
AND FOR ME TO GET BEHIND SOMETHING, I NEED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT INFRINGING ON CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED RIGHTS, BECAUSE WE'VE ALL TAKEN AN OATH TO SECURE AND SUPPORT AND DEFEND COST SOLUTION, GUARANTEED RIGHTS AND, AND NOT INFRINGE ON THEM.
AND THAT SUBJECTIVITY THAT ASKS THE DEPUTIES TO INTERPRET.
AND, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE BUILDING GOOD RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE CITIZENS, AND DOES THIS HELP OR DETRACT FROM THAT? AND I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO DETRACT FROM THAT.
SO IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE ELIMINATE SOME OF THE SUBJECTIVITY YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT TIME AND DISTANCE HOURS AND DISTANCE.
UM, I LIKE TO SOLVE PROBLEMS SPECIFICALLY, BUT NOT CREATE OTHER ONES.
SO FOR ME, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW THOSE 900 COMPLAINTS.
IS THERE SOME SIMILARITY BETWEEN THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE CAN TAILOR THIS TO ADDRESS THE COMPLAINTS, THE PROBLEM SOLVE THE PROBLEMS, BUT NOT CREATE OTHER ONES OR SOLVE PROBLEMS THAT DON'T EXIST OR CREATE OTHER ONES EVEN WORSE.
SO FOR ME TO GET BEHIND IT, ADDRESSING THE SUBJECTIVITY IN SOME FASHION, ADDRESSING THE TWO WAY IN SOME FASHION, UH, NOT SOME FASHION, BUT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY GUARANTEEING THAT ALL LAWFUL ACTIVITIES WOULD BE ALLOWED TO, UM, CONTINUE.
UM, BUT THAT WE DO NEED TO, WE DO NEED TO HAVE, UM, SOME ADDRESS OF THE ISSUES THAT I'VE, I'VE HEARD ABOUT FIRSTHAND, WHICH ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, HEART WRENCHING, GUT WRENCHING, WHEN YOU HEAR THE DETAILS.
UM, SO THERE ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS HERE THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT I'M NOT SURE THIS HAS WORDED.
IT GETS, IT GETS ME TO WHERE I'M COMFORTABLE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I TAKE YOUR MAKING, UH, THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON, YESTERDAY ATTEMPT AT EMOTION, FRUSTRATION.
YOU, YOU CERTAINLY CAN BE MAD AND THAT YOU CAN DO THAT ANYTIME, BUT LET ME, DO YOU MIND IF I JUST ASK A COUPLE OF FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS, JUST ANYTIME, JUST LET ME JUST REAL QUICKLY COMMENT.
AND I KNOW WE WANT TO KEEP MOVING, BUT BEFORE I LOSE THE THOUGHT, UM, MR. SHARP, AND I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.
AND I THINK AS YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US WANT TO ADDRESS THE IMMEDIATE PROBLEMS. UM, WE WANT TO PROTECT THE SECOND AMENDMENT, BUT THEN WE HAVE THE BEVELS HERE BEFORE US THAT, AND YOU'VE SPOKEN TO US BEFORE, UM, AND, UH, TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS NOW THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD HEARD YOU, AND THAT'S JUST REALLY DISTURBING SITUATION.
AND THOSE, THOSE OF US THAT SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IT'S REALLY, I THINK, GETS TO US IN A BIG WAY.
WHEN WE SEE PEOPLE BEING IRRESPONSIBLE WITH FIREARMS REALLY, UM, IS DISTRESSFUL, UH, MR. PARKER,
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WHEN HE GOT ON LINE THERE, THE LAWNMOWER EVERY SATURDAY MORNING, UH, AND LET ME BACK UP, I DON'T WANT PERFECT TO GET IN THE WAY ITERATE TO GREAT.AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THIS IS GETTING OUR TOE IN THE WATER.
I'M IN FAVOR OF A NOISE ORDINANCE.
I MEAN, WE'VE HEARD WE SAY KEEP GUCCI AND RURAL, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS A NOISE ORDINANCE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH RURAL THERE'S PARTS OF THIS COUNTY THAT AREN'T RURAL, THEY'RE THEY, YOU KNOW, THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY PEOPLE ARE EXPECT, I THINK JUSTIFIABLY AND PROPERLY EXPECTING NOISE ORDINANCE.
THESE OTHER CASES THAT WE'RE HEARING IN THE CENTER IN THE WEST ARE JUST, UM, DIFFICULT SITUATIONS, BUT NOTHING IN THIS PASSING, THIS WOULD PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS FROM REACHING OUT TO YOUR NEIGHBOR, NOTHING.
UM, I DON'T, AND I DON'T THINK PASSING IT WOULD DETER PEOPLE FROM BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS.
I HOPE THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE.
AND I DON'T, I CAN CALL THE SHERIFF INSTEAD OF TALKING TO MY NEIGHBOR BECAUSE I'M MAY, I DON'T KNOW.
I HOPE THAT'S NOT THE CASE BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THAT A JUDGE DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR THESE CASES, A JUDGE ISN'T GOING TO DEAL WITH THESE CASES.
I THINK THIS IS WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE EGREGIOUS SITUATION.
AND I THINK A JUDGE WILL PROBABLY LATCH ONTO IT WHEN IT'S AN EGREGIOUS SITUATION WHEN THE EVIDENCE COMES IN.
BUT AGAIN, THAT WHOLE LAMARA ON EVERY SATURDAY MORNING THAT MR. PARKER POINTED OUT AND I THINK MAYBE CORRECTLY, THAT THAT COULD BE A TRAP.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN AGAIN, WE GET INTO THE ALL RIGHT, THE LAWNMOWER AT SIX IN THE MORNING VERSUS THE LAWNMOWER AT 11 IN THE MORNING ON SATURDAY.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT SORTED OUT MR. ALVAREZ, UH, APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING ALL YOUR COMMENTS, BUT THE MULTIFAMILY EXCEPTION.
IF I HAPPEN TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT HAS A MANAGEMENT COMPANY, I WOULD LIKE FOR US, AS WE ITERATE TO GREAT, I WOULD LIKE US TO FIND A WAY TO ADDRESS THAT, THAT CERTAINLY WE DON'T MAYBE WANT TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF INTERIM APARTMENT ISSUES WHERE THERE'S A MANAGEMENT COMPANY CAN DEAL WITH IT.
BUT IF I'M A NEIGHBOR OF THAT, SO MAYBE THAT'S ONE THAT WE CAN ADDRESS SOONER BEFORE WE COME BACK.
BUT I CERTAINLY THINK I I'M IN FAVOR OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
LET'S TAKE THE STEP, LET'S BE CAREFUL, AND LET'S BE PREPARED TO SEE HOW IT WORKS, REALLY MONITOR IT AND MAYBE PUT IT ON OUR CALENDARS TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT LIKE, YEAH, PUT IT ON OUR CALENDARS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT EVERY YEAR AND MAKE SURE WE GET A REPORT AND GET FEEDBACK ON THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE COMING TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
HOW ARE THEY BEING HANDLED? AND, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE I'M IN FAVOR OF GIVING FOLKS A MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH THESE SITUATIONS, UH, THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT.
I WOULD PREFER THAT WE REPLACE, UH, HUNTING, HUNTING THAT IS LAWFUL UNDER STATE AND LOCAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS WITH SHOOTING A FIREARMS. THAT TO ME PROTECTS THE TWO APS THAT DOESN'T HELP THE BEVELS.
UM, BUT I WOULD RATHER US TAKE THIS STEP AND CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WAYS TO MAYBE ADDRESS SITUATIONS THAT AREN'T COVERED.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADAPTERS AMENDED THIS ORDINANCE, ADDING COUNTY CODE ARTICLE TWO, SECTIONS 10 41 THROUGH 10 45.
MS. MCGEE, CAN YOU PLEASE GO BACK TO THE EXEMPTION SLIDE? YES.
AND THE ADAPTED AS A MINT WITH THE AMENDMENTS OF STRIKING HUNTING FROM ITEM FOUR AND REPLACING WITH ALL SHOOTING OF FIREARMS STRIKING ITEM SIX ALTOGETHER.
SO STRIKING MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURES OPERATED BY A MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND ADDING TO NUMBER SEVEN, UM, ACTIVITIES FOR WHICH THOSE NOISE REGULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PREEMPTED BY FEDERAL AND ADDING AND STATE LAW SECOND.
WE'LL HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UM, MR. MCGEE, OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW? ARE YOU GOING TO TRY IT? ARE YOU OKAY WITH PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW? YES.
AND THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UM, ANY, ANY, UH, DISCUSSION, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AMENDMENTS OR TOWARD THE MOTION? WELL, I'D LIKE TO JUST MIX THEM FOR DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, THIS STARTED, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN MY FIRST OR SECOND BOARD MEETING THAT I ATTENDED, AND IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WHEN I WAS DOOR KNOCKING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASK, I WOULD ACTUALLY
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ASK PEOPLE, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT A NOISE ORDINANCE? AND IT WAS ABOUT 50 50 TO BE HONEST.HOWEVER, SINCE THEN, UM, I'VE GONE TO EVERY ELECTION AND I'VE BEEN AT THE POLLS FOR EVERY ELECTION AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE EVER COME UP TO ME ABOUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE ARE REQUESTING AN ORDINANCE ORDINANCE.
UM, I'VE POSTED THIS ON FACEBOOK.
I'VE GOTTEN VERY LITTLE IN SUPPORT OF NOT HAVING AN ORDINANCE.
I'VE TOLD EVERYBODY FROM THE BEGINNING.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS HUNT BECAUSE I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH KIND OF RE IN MY OPINION, RIDICULOUS, UM, COVENANTS.
SO WE, UH, THIS IS GONNA IMPACT ME, BUT IT IMPACTS CITIZENS.
AND, UM, I STRUGGLE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ALL STRUGGLED WITH.
AND, UM, I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE TO OFFER SOME RELIEF AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, UH, EVERYTHING IS ANYTHING'S PERMANENT.
SO WE CAN, IF WE'VE MADE A MISTAKE, WE CAN GO BACK.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MISS MS. LAST QUESTION.
WOULD YOU REPEAT? YOU WERE IN THE EXEMPTIONS, RIGHT? THE 10 44.
SO IN EXEMPTION, NUMBER FOUR, WHERE IT SAYS HUNTING THAT IS LAWFUL UNDER STATE LAW, I WOULD SAY ALL SHOOTING A FIREARMS THAT IS LAWFUL UNDER STATE LAW, STRIKING NUMBER SIX, THE MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES OPERATE BY MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND THEN ADDING TO NUMBER SEVEN ACTIVITIES FOR WHICH KNOWS THE REGULATION HAS BEEN PREEMPTED BY FEDERAL AND STATE LAW.
THAT'S WHAT I, IF I MIGHT, UM, IF YOU COULD JUST MAKE THAT OR SO YOU WANT IT TO BE STATE, FEDERAL OR STATE LAW IN OTHER WORDS, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BY BOTH.
OKAY, MR. NICHOLAS, I APPRECIATE, I THINK ALL OF US APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
YOU CAME IN HERE WITH ONE THOUGHT, THEN YOU LISTEN TO CITIZENS.
WHO'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS AND YOU SHIFTED SOME OF YOUR THINKING.
I THINK THIS HAS BEEN YEARS IN THE WORKS IN 20 SPRING OF 2019, SEEMS LIKE SO LONG AGO.
UM, BUT WE REALLY WANT TO GET THIS ONE, RIGHT? WE, WE, WELL, I THINK WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IT AND MONITOR IT AND WHATEVER HAPPENS TONIGHT, WHETHER THIS PASSES OR IT DOESN'T, UM, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON TO GET IT RIGHT, PROTECT SECOND AMENDMENT, BUT ALSO PROVIDE SOME NEEDED RELIEF FOR THE CITIZENS WHO ARE UNABLE TO ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE OF INCONSIDERATE NEIGHBORS.
UM, MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD, UM, I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO ONE OF MY EARLIER COMMENTS, UH, AND PUT MYSELF IN A SHERIFF DEPUTIES POSITION.
UM, JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THE MOTION OF THE AMENDMENT TO STRIKE THE MULTIFAMILY.
UM, IF I'M LIVING IN THE SECOND STORY OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING AND MY NEIGHBOR PLAYS HER STEREO BY STRIKING THAT, CAN I CALL THE SHERIFF DEPUTY AND HAVE HIM COME OUT UNDER THIS ORDINANCE AND ENFORCE THAT AGAINST SOMEBODY WITHIN, INSIDE THE COMPLEX? CAUSE I KNOW WE WERE CONCERNED WAS THAT IT MIGHT PROJECT OUT TO OTHERS.
UM, IT, I THINK IF JUST BY STRIKING IT, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I CAN SEE AN AWFUL LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS COMING FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE CLUSTERED THAT CLOSELY TOGETHER.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, AND, AND GETTING OUR DEPUTIES TO RESPOND TO EVERY, EVERY TIME THERE'S A NOISE IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, WE JUST, UH, WOULD OVERWHELM THE SYSTEM.
I THINK I'M SURE I WAS JUST KICKING US OFF.
AND I'M TRYING TO INTEGRATE THE GREATER ITERATE, ITERATE, ITERATE.
WE'RE GETTING A GREAT SOMEHOW HERE.
WE'RE TAKING A SECURITAS ROUTE, BUT WE'LL GET THERE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT WAS, I'M PUTTING MYSELF IN A SHERIFF DEPUTIES POSITIONS.
COULD, I COULD JUST SEE AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF CALLS COMING OUT OF THOSE MULTI-FAMILIES AND I THINK THAT BURDEN, LET ME ASK A QUESTION, HOW WOULD THAT BE HANDLED THERE? THEY'RE GOING TO CALL THE SHERIFF'S.
I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE CALLS ANYWAY.
I THINK THAT THIS CHANGES THIS NATURE OF THE RESPONSE.
DIDN'T THE SHERIFFS IN CONVERSATIONS IN THE PAST YEAR THAT HE HAD GOTTEN A NUMBER OF CALLS FROM OUT THERE AND HE SAID, CAN'T HELP YOU.
I THINK THE CALL COULD NOW BE IF, IF THERE'S A MEASUREMENT COMPANY IN THE CALL TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE GOING TO BE, WHERE ARE YOU? I'M IN THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX.
YOU'RE YOU'RE HAVE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS? WE'LL SEE IF WE'VE GOT, IF WE'VE GOT SOMETHING
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ON THE BOOKS THAT I ASSUME EVERYTHING WE PUT IN THE BOOK, WE EXPECT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ENFORCE.AND IF THIS, IF THEY CALL AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT SOMETHING TO BOOKS, YOU'VE GOT TO RESPOND.
AND THEY, YOU KNOW, VERSUS WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDER OR AN ORDINANCE.
IF YOUR COMPLAINT IS NOISE, TAKE IT UP WITH, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER I UNDERSTAND LEGITIMACY OF THE, WHAT IF, WHAT IF IT LEAVES THE PROPERTY? AND I GET THAT AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M BEHIND THAT.
UH, IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME THAT THIS WOULD ADDRESS THAT SPECIFICALLY.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST THING.
THE SECOND THING WAS THE SUBJECTIVITY AND WHEN, WHEN THEY DO GET THERE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE HEARD, YOU KNOW, NOT TESTIMONY.
WE HEARD COMMENTS FROM THAT DEPARTMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT VARIES DEPUTY TO DEPUTY.
IT VARIES DAY TO DAY TYPE OF NOISE TO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AGAIN, THAT'S SUBJECTIVITY VERSUS, UH, YOU KNOW, A TIME OF DAY OR A DISTANCE OR, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME SPECIFICITY, SOMETHING AROUND THIS IS CLEARLY A VIOLATION OR NOT, WELL, IT WOULD HELP THEM AS WELL TO DO YOUR JOB FROM THE DEPUTY'S PERSPECTIVE.
LET ME, LET ME ANSWER THAT MR. PIECE.
AND WHAT I HEARD WAS THE DEPUTY COULD SHOW UP AND DISAGREE THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE COMPLAINANTS DUE PROCESS.
THEN AT THAT POINT, THE DEPUTY'S JUST EXPLAINING, I'M NOT SEEING THE NEED TO WRITE A SUMMONS.
IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO FOLLOW THIS UP, THEN YOU GO TO THE MAGISTRATE.
SO, SO THAT IS A JUDGMENT CALL ON THE DEPUTIES, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRING THE DEPUTIES TO ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING.
IT IS DO THAT EVERY DAY THOUGH.
I'M GONNA SAY, MAKE JUDGMENT CALLS, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY GOT IN A FIGHT, DO I ARREST THEM? DO I NOT? THEY TALK, THEY TALK THROUGH IT WITH PEOPLE.
AND, UM, PROBABLY A VAST MAJORITY OF THEM.
THEY WORK OUT WITHOUT GOING TO SOMEBODY IN THE BACK OF THE CAR.
AND THE REASON I BRING IT UP AS A SHERIFF'S TAKING THE TIME TO REDUCE IT, TO WRITING AND SEND IT TO US.
AND THEN WE HEARD TESTIMONY FROM CAPTAIN BEAR THAT OR COMMENTS FROM CAMP THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM OR PROBLEMATIC FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR DEPUTIES.
AND I, SO I THINK IF WE CAN ADDRESS THAT SUBJECTIVITY IN SOME FASHION, WELL, IT'S IT'S HOW DO I SAY THIS? I DON'T WANNA SAY DON'T CHOOSE THE RIGHT WORD.
IT IS EXPECTED TO BE A PROBLEM FOR THE DEPUTIES.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PROBLEM YET.
SO MY POINT IS, IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM FOR DEPUTIES, THEN WE ADDRESS IT.
SO WE DON'T, I APPRECIATE SHERIFF CHRISSY'S COMMENT THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SETTING HIS TEAM UP FOR SUCCESS ABOVE EVERYTHING.
HOWEVER, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING.
PERHAPS HE CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT, UM, WITH, UH, ANIMAL NOISE, NUISANCE, UM, YOU SAID WE'RE GENERALLY FOLLOWING THE SAME PROCEDURES HERE.
DO THEY HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME BIG JUDGMENT CALLS ON THE SPOT WHEN THEY RESPOND TO A, TO AN, A NUISANCE FROM AN ANIMAL? I MEAN, IS THAT SAME PROCESS FOLLOWED TO WHERE THEY'VE GOT TO MAKE THE SAME JUDGMENT? AND IF SO THEN, HAS IT BEEN A PROBLEM IN ACTUALITY RATHER THAN EXPECTATIONS? UM, THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THERE AND THE, IN THE ANIMAL, UH, NUISANCE ORDINANCE, A COMPANION ANIMAL NUISANCE ORDINANCE, UM, IT REQUIRES NOISE OVER A LENGTH OF TIME.
SO THERE'S LIKE A 30 MINUTE OR A 60 MINUTE OF BARKING, SAY FROM AN ANIMAL, THE DEPUTY HASN'T BEEN THERE TO LISTEN TO THAT NOISE.
HE MAY TELL THE PERSON WHAT SORTS OF EVIDENCE THAT SHOULD BE GATHERED, BUT HE'S NOT EVER GOING TO BE PRESENT FOR THE FULL 30 OR 60 MINUTES THAT THAT IS REQUIRED.
SO WHAT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY OUR DIRECTOR OF ANIMAL PROTECTION IS THE DEPUTIES CAN EXPLAIN WHAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO EVIDENCE NEED TO GATHER.
THEY'LL GIVE THEM A SAMPLE LETTER OR SOMETHING, AND THEY CAN HELP WITH THE MAGISTRATE PROCESS.
BUT LITERALLY ALL THEY DO IS ENABLE THE CITIZEN TO, TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE COMPLAINT.
BECAUSE IN THAT CASE, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THIS SUBJECTIVITY IN THAT CASE, THERE IS A PERIOD OF TIME AND THAT THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER HAS NOT BEEN THERE FOR 30 OR 60 MINUTES AND IS NOT EXPECTED TO, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS TO BE REPETITIVE.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE SAME DEPUTY TO COME OUT EVERY SATURDAY? YOU'RE NOT, UM, IT HAD THE, THE LENGTH OF TIME MATTERS, THE TIME OF DAY MATTERS.
AND SO TRULY PROVING THAT CASE IS GOING TO COME MORE ON THE COMPLAINANT.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN SAY IT HAPPENED HERE AND HERE AND HERE, AND THIS TIME AN ITEM FOR THIS LONG, BECAUSE NO SHERIFF'S DEPUTY IS GOING TO BE PRESENT FOR ALL OF THAT.
SO COULD THAT BE A SIMILAR PROCESS FOR THIS WHERE WE'RE NOT THE DEPUTY MAY BE CALLED AND MAY BE A WITNESS, BUT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ASKING THEM TO ACTUALLY SUBMIT ANYTHING OTHER THAN INFORMING.
IF I, UM, LOOKED AT THE WARNING PROVISION, WELL, RIGHT NOW, ALL IT SAYS IS, UM, THAT A COMPLAINANT OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL HAD REQUESTED THE ABATEMENT OF THE NUISANCE.
IF WE TAKE OFF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL FROM THAT STATEMENT,
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THEN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE ORDINANCE AT ALL.OR AGAIN, IT'S A QUESTION OF, DO YOU WANT TO PASS SOMETHING AND ASK FOR IT TO BE BROUGHT BACK IN TWO OR THREE MONTHS WITH THAT LANGUAGE CHANGED WHERE WE CAN CHECK TO MAKE SURE BOTH ARE OPTIONS, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT ATTRACTED ME ABOUT IF, IF THIS DOESN'T BURDEN, THE DEPUTIES STILL GETS THROUGH A PROCESS FOR RELIEF FOR OUR CITIZENS BY JOE, HAVE WE MADE ALMOST EVERYBODY HAPPY? LIKE I DON'T, IT'S LIKE, YOU'RE CRAZY.
WELL, WE'VE STILL GOT THE TUOHY THING.
UM, BUT TO WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT AS IF WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR FIVE YEARS ABOUT NUISANCE, AND THAT PROCESS SEEMS TO BE WORKING, UM, THERE'S REAL DATA AS OPPOSED TO AN EXPECTATION OR A THEORY.
AND IF THERE'S SOME LESSONS TO BE LEARNED FROM THAT WHERE THE DEPUTIES HAVEN'T BEEN PUT IN A COMPROMISING SITUATION, UM, THEN IF WE CAN KIND OF TAKE LESSONS FROM THAT, LEARN FROM THAT AND LIFT THAT INTO THIS.
BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M JUST PUTTING MY MYSELF INTO IT.
IF THEY COME OUT, DIDN'T WITNESS THE NOISE, BUT CAN GUIDE THE CITIZEN.
WE NEED TO GATHER LOG, OR YOU NEED TO PREPARE, YOU NEEDED TO TALK WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST AS A COACH OR, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT NOT, UH, NOT AN IN-BETWEEN IF YOU WANT.
SO I'M TRYING TO TAKE THEM OUT OF, IN BETWEEN THE, THE TWO.
SO IF THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, PLAYING REFEREE, BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, EXPLAINING THE PROCESS AND MOVING THINGS FORWARD AND ENABLING, OR, YOU KNOW, UH, PROVIDING A SERVICE, IF YOU WILL.
UM, THAT'S THE KIND OF FIX THAT, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO REALLY GET BEHIND ALL THIS.
AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE CAN INVENT THAT ON THE FLY.
IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ITERATE.
UM, BUT DO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? IT'S JUST A, I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES TO BE IN BETWEEN.
SO THOSE REALLY WERE THE TWO ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IN THE LETTER.
AND IN-PERSON TODAY, IF WE COULD ADDRESS THOSE IN SOME FASHION, I THINK THAT WE'D BE OBLIGED TO DO SO.
WELL, THERE WERE TWO, TWO CONCERNS IN THE SHERIFF'S CHRISSY'S LETTER, AND I THINK WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THE SECOND ONE RIGHT OFF THE BAT WITH THE AMENDMENT TO SHOOTING A FIREARMS. THE FIRST ONE IS LIKE THE WORDS, THE USE OF THE WORDS, UNREASONABLE AND SUBSTANTIAL, MAYBE INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN DEPUTY AND DEPUTY BY DEPUTY.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT UNLESS WE GO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PATH.
NO, AGAIN, WHAT WE FOUND THAT ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICERS DO IS SAY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU BELIEVE THIS IS VIOLATION, HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
THEY DON'T SAY, I THINK IT IS, OR I THINK IT ISN'T.
THEY JUST SAY, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT'S A NUISANCE, HAVE TO MAKE THAT CALL AFTER A YEAR AND A MAGISTRATE.
THAT'S HE WAS PROBABLY REALLY, IF, IF GENERAL DISTRICT JUDGE IS WATCHING, HE'S PROBABLY FALLS INTO THE CIVIL NATURE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, CORRECT.
THE JUDGES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT THEN THE NEXT THING, WHILE DEPUTIES DO HAVE TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION IS OBJECTIVE LAWS.
THE SHERIFF IS WORRIED THAT THIS COULD STRAIN RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN DEPUTY AND CITIZEN.
IF THE DEPUTY DETERMINES AN INSTANCE OF A NUISANCE DOES OR DOES NOT.
UM, UH, BUT IF WE CAN REMOVE AGAIN, IF WE CAN REMOVE THEM FROM THAT, WELL, I LIKE THE ORLON.
I LIKE KEEPING OR LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS THE CURRENT MOTION, BECAUSE AT LEAST GIVE SOME OPTIONS BECAUSE I THINK IT, I DON'T KNOW, AT WHAT POINT DOES IT BECOME DISORDERLY CONDUCT? IF THE DEPUTY'S WITNESSING SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING THAT, YOU KNOW, HE CAN, HE HAS OTHER COURSES OF ACTION, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I THINK IF WE TAKE OUT LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT CUTS THE DEPUTY OUT, I THINK IF WE HAD A COMPLAINANT OR LAW ENFORCEMENT, I, I LIKE HAVING THAT OPTION.
AND BY COMPARISON THE ANIMAL COMPANION ANIMAL, AT LEAST SINCE THE ORDINANCE HAS BOTH, AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT SAYS THAT THE ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICERS JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY HELP THE, THE CITIZEN TO GATHER THE EVIDENCE, EXPLAIN THE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH IT THEMSELVES.
CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GET TIED UP IN GOING TO COURT AND ALL THAT IF THEY DON'T.
SO, BUT, BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE AN OPTION FOR AN EGREGIOUS SITUATION, UM, TO PARTICIPATE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THAT'S BEFORE US.
BACK TO THE, UH, STRIKING THE MULTIFAMILY.
HOW DO WE SELL OUT ON THAT? IT'S BEEN STRICKEN IN THE MOTION.
IF FOLKS MORE COMFORTABLE, I'M HAPPY TO AMEND, BUT I'M ALSO HAPPY TO WAIT
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TO SEE IF IT'S ENDS UP BECOMING A PROBLEM.AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO SOLVE PROBLEMS THAT AREN'T THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COMPLAINTS WE'VE GOTTEN FROM OUTSIDE THE MULTI-FAMILY ABOUT THE MULTI-FAMILIES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PATTERN HAS BEEN IF WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY COMPLAINTS THAT IT'S REALLY NOT A PROBLEM TO SOLVE.
UM, BUT IT IT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN RAISED TO, FOR CONSIDERATION TO WHAT IFS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS TO WHAT YEAH.
I MEAN, I'VE REVIEWED THE 60 COMPLAINTS OR SO THAT COME FROM LOKE RIDGE PARKWAY, BUT I'M NOT SURE I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE THE COMPLAINANT WAS VERSUS WHERE THE, UM, IT VIOLATION, YOU KNOW, THE ALLEGED NOISE THAT THE SHERIFF'S DISCUSSION OF IT WAS, UM, PEOPLE WITHIN THE COMPLEX THEMSELVES, UH, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHERE THE COMPLEXES ARE LOCATED IN THE COUNTY.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T ABUT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES RIGHT THERE.
THEY'RE REALLY NOT THAT CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
I THINK IF WE LOOK INTO THE MAP, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TRANSITION ZONES WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT HIGH DENSITY RIGHT NEXT TO A, OUR PUD.
AND WE ARE AWARE OF WHERE THE TWO ARE NOW AND WHEN THE NEW ONES GOING.
AND SO FOR RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY THAT COMPLAINTS FROM OUTSIDE IS VERY UNLIKELY TO HAVE BEEN THE SOURCE OF THOSE ISSUES.
SO TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IF WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO DO A LIGHTER TOUCH ON THIS.
AND THEN, AND THEN GO THE OTHER DIRECTION.
IF WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, A LIGHTER TOUCH AND THE LETTER TOUCH WOULD BE TO STRIKE IT, NOT TOUCH, IT WOULD BE TO LEAVE THE EXEMPTION SO THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES DON'T HAVE TO GO ENFORCE THE NOISE AT THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
WELL, I CONCERNED IS OVERWHELMING THE SHERIFF DEPUTIES WITH THOSE COMPLAINTS.
NOW I'M TOLD THEY DO RESPOND TO THOSE ALREADY.
BUT IF THERE'S A CALL COMING IN FROM THERE THAT SAYS, I GOT A NOISE COMPLAINT.
IF THERE'S NO NOISE ORDINANCE, THEY JUST EXPLAINED THERE'S NO NOISE ORDINANCE.
YOU NEED TO TAKE IT UP WITH YOUR MANAGEMENT TEAM.
IF WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS, THEN PRESUMABLY IF THEY'RE COMPLAINING WITH SOMETHING THAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE, THEY WOULD NEED TO RESPOND.
IS THAT, AM I, WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO RESPOND.
IF WE LEAVE THE EXCEPTION AND THEY'RE GOING TO RESPOND AND THEY'RE SAYING, YES, WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT IT DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS LOCATION.
AND WHAT DO YOU DO? WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU DO THEN IF, IF, IF THE SHERIFF SAYS YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE MANAGEMENT PEOPLE, THE MANSION PEOPLE FINALLY COME BACK AND SAY, LOOK, WE NEED HELP.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THIS SHERIFFS.
SHERIFF CAN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY'RE EXEMPT.
SO YOU'VE TAKEN AWAY ANY ABILITY OF THE APARTMENT.
WELL, IF THE, IF THE NOISE ORDINANCE DOESN'T APPLY TO AN APARTMENT AND THE APARTMENT MANAGER CAN'T SOLVE IT.
TH THE, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX HAS GENERALLY HAVE A SORT OF THREE STRIKES AND YOU'RE OUT, UM, PR PROCESS.
AND THIS CAME INTO BEING THIS EXEMPTION, UH, WITH MY COMMUNICATION, WITH A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE WHO WAS A MANAGER OF ONE OF THE TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THE COUNTY.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WANTED TO BE VERY CAREFUL OF, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE OWNER OF A PROPERTY.
THAT WAS THE SUBJECT OF A NOISE COMPLAINT.
BECAUSE AS AN OWNER, THEY COULD GET THAT NOTICE THAT, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY, THEY OWN, SOMEBODY'S CREATING TOO MUCH NOISE.
AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS WE HANDLE NOISE COMPLAINTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND IF IT'S TOO NOISY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PROCESS TO EVICT SOMEONE.
AND MR. CHAIR, I GUESS BACK TO YOUR POINT, IF YOU'D LEAVE THE EXEMPTION IN, THEN IF THE SHERIFF DEPUTIES ARE CALLED, WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT IT DOESN'T APPLY.
SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO NEED TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
AND THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE, A RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY MIGHT BE AFFECTED IS PRETTY REMOTE.
SINCE THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO ANY OF THE CURRENT ONES.
SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN FINE TUNE DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE THE EXPECTATION OF A, OF A PROBLEM WITH SOMEBODY OUTSIDE TO DEVELOPMENT, KNOWING WHERE THEY ARE, AND THERE'S NO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL, UM, WE COULD LEAVE THE EXEMPTION IN NOW AND CONSIDER LATER, HAVE WE, UM, I AGREE WITH MR. PETERSON, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO LEAVE, TO PUT THE MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURE OPERATED BY A MANAGEMENT COMPANY INCEPTION BACK IN YES.
THIS LAST FLOOD, I THINK YOU SECOND TO THAT, RIGHT? YES.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT? YES.
SO THE MOTION, ANY AMENDMENT NOW HAS A HUNTING REPLACED WITH ALL LAWFUL SHOOTING OR ALL SHOOTING THAT IS LAWFUL AND THEN STATE OR FEDERAL LAW IN ITEM SEVEN, BUT WE'VE REPLACED THE, UH, NUMBER SIX IN YOUR EXCEPTION LIST.
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IS THE LANGUAGE I WROTE DOWN FROM MR. SPOONFLOWER WAS ALL SHOOTING OF FIREARMS AND THEN THE REST I JUST WANT.AND I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM JUST TO MAKE SURE I'LL HAVE THE SAME WORDS, EVERYBODY ON BOARD WITH WHAT WE JUST DID ON THE AMENDMENT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON, ON THE AMENDED MOTION, ROLL CALL, ROLL CALL VOTE.
MR. YOUNG SUPERVISOR, ALASKA LEAD.
WE NOW HAVE A NUISANCE NOISE ORDINANCE AGAIN.
I THINK WE'LL BE MONITORING THIS IT AGAIN.
UM, AND WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME UNADDRESSED THINGS OUT THERE, BUT WE WERE GOING TO WORK WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, CONTINUE TO ITERATE TO GREAT.
I JUST NEED TO SEE WHEN WE'RE COMING BACK.
[XVIII.Adjournment: The Board of Supervisors will adjourn as follows:]
JUNE 1ST.IS THERE ANY OTHER MATTERS TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD IN OUR MAY MEETING? THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBERS AGAIN, THANK YOU AUDIENCE FOR HANGING IN THERE.
WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS UNTIL JUNE 1ST, 2:00 PM HERE, PUBLIC OPEN TO THE PUBLIC 2:00 PM MEETING AND THEN 6:00 PM EVENING MEETING.
AND THERE'S A WORK SESSION WORK SESSION ON JUNE 7TH AT CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL, CULTURAL AND EDUCATIONAL COMPLEX 9:00 AM.
THAT'S ALSO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON A STRATEGIC PLAN AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
EVERYBODY HAVE A SAFE EVENING.