May 17, 2021 Design Committee Meeting

ALL RIGHT.

ARE

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[A. CALL TO ORDER & DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]

SO WE DO HAVE A FORUM.

UM, OUR FIRST I KNOW OF A BUSINESS NIGHT IS ELECTION OF OFFICERS.

[B. ELECTION OF OFFICERS]

UM, SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO DEFER TO THIS, YOU CAN OR, OR MAKE THE MOTION AS YOU WISH.

ONE QUESTION BRENDAN TO MY RENTAL ELECTION FROM THE LAST TIME, ONCE YOU HAD A MOVIE COMING OUT AND I DIDN'T REMEMBER, I THOUGHT THAT MOVE WAS GOING TO ANSWER TERM ENDING.

I, I AM, WOULD BE PLEASED TO HEAR THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE.

AND YOU CAN FINISH OUT YOUR RETURN.

YES, YOU CAN.

THE PANDEMIC AND THE DELAYS AND SUPPLY CHAIN, ALL OF THIS.

I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO SAY UNTIL NOVEMBER.

OKAY.

AND JUST REMIND ME THE LAST MEETING YOU WERE VICE CHAIR, YOU WOULD SHARE.

WE LIKE WE DO THE ELECTION OF OFFICES.

THAT'S CORRECT.

I THOUGHT WE COULD.

AND SO WE HAVE TO REDO IT.

CAN YOU HELP ME? WE'LL HAVE HIM BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE DID IT FOR THE, I THINK IT'S PART OF THE ANNUAL MAY.

RIGHT.

AND SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE DIDN'T DO IT UNTIL OCTOBER? NO, WE DID IT AT THE LAST MEETING.

I THINK IT'S REFLECTIVE.

SO THAT WAS SUMMER TIME.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO IT'S ACTUALLY A PACKAGE OCTOBER 13TH.

AND YOU TOOK A VOTE AGAINST MY BETTER JUDGMENT.

THESE GUYS, THEY APPROVED ME AS CHAIRMAN, UH, AND MRS. COLLIER WAS, UH, UH, WAS VOTED IN AS VICE CHAIR.

UM, I DID NOT SEE IT.

YEAH, IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE FIRST PART ELECTION OF OFFICERS.

SO, I MEAN, I DON'T MIND REDOING IT, BUT I THOUGHT WE HAD ACTUALLY A COPY.

IT IS THERE.

CAN YOU TALK? I JUST WANTED TO KNOW.

I MEAN, THAT'S CAUSE I'M A MEETING GOT DELAYED SO LONG, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN AT THE ANNUAL MEETING.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IF IT SAID PERIOD, IT DOES NOT.

THAT WAS THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION IS EMOTION THEN OF COURSE, DAVE AS CHAIR AND , THAT'S FINE.

IS IT SECONDARY? AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UM, I GUESS, DO YOU HAVE A DATE CERTAIN IN THE IT'S IN THE LANGUAGE HERE? WELL, IT SAYS A LOT THAT I THINK YOU JUST CHANGED IT TO I'M HERE TILL NOVEMBER.

SO WHENEVER YOU COME ON, YES, MY TERM ENDS JULY.

OH, OKAY.

SO, SO SAY WE FIND SOMEONE ELSE WITH JOSH CAN'T CONTINUE OR WE CAN COME OFF AT THE END OF JULY.

OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

IS THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY? I MEAN, THERE'S ALSO SOMEONE CAN EITHER ONE OF THESE TWO CAN STIR START AFTER YOU ROLL OFF IN MAY.

SO YOU NOMINATED MR. FERRAZZI FOR CHAIR AND MS. COLLIE OR FOR VICE CHAIR THROUGH JULY 31ST, AT WHICH TIME HER SUCCESS, THEIR ALTERNATE, UM, MR. FOR CHAIR AND MS. COLLIER FOR VICE CHAIR UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOUR TERMS AND, AND WILL BE REPLACED BY YOUR ALTERNATES.

I MINE TERM DOESN'T END UNTIL ONE 31.

SO UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING NEXT ANNUAL MEETINGS.

SO THE ALTERNATIVE FOR THE VICE CHAIR.

VERY GOOD.

OKAY.

FAIR ENOUGH.

WE'RE READY FOR FIRST.

DO YOU WANT TO VOTE ON, SO WITH HER, I GUESS YOU START WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE NOMINATION FOR ME SERVING AS CHAIR, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

SAY I VOTED LAST TIME.

SO I DID THE MATH.

HOLD ON US IN FAVOR OF MS. COLLIER IS PLACED HERE, SAY AYE.

UH, UH,

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UH, WITHOUT OF THE WAY, UH, I THINK OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE SCHEDULED APPLICATION.

[C. SCHEDULED APPLICATIONS:]

THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S IN QUESTION AND DAVID, WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT DURING HIS PRESENTATION, IF YOU WANT TO PASS THAT AROUND.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

I'M DAVID LLOYD, DEPUTY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE COUNTY AND I'LL BE PRESENTING THE CASE TONIGHT.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? ARE YOU OKAY WHERE YOU CAN TAKE A, IF EVERYONE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THESE OR NOT THE, IS ANYBODY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HIM TAKING HIS THOUGH? I WOULD PREFER IT TO GIVE ME 10 WHILE PRESENTING.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

GREAT.

ALL RIGHT.

OUR APPLICATION TONIGHT, UH, YOU HAVE A ESQUIRE FOR THOMAS EXPRESS.

[COA-2021-00002 – Jennifer D. Mullen, Esq.: Requesting a Certificate of Approval (COA) to consider a commercial building, new construction, on a portion of Tax Map No. 59-1-0-38-A. The property is located at the northeast intersection of Broad Street Road and Little Tuckahoe Court within the Centerville Village, (Broad Street Road), Overlay District. The property is currently zoned M-2 (Industrial, General).]

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE NOT IN THE SCOPE OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS A ROOFING MATERIAL DESTRIA ACCESS TO THE BAIT PLACEMENT.

THE DOOR PLACEMENT.

THIS SHOWS THE SITE LOCATION IT'S IN THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE OVERLAY DISTRICT.

IT'S ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION OF BROAD STREET COURT ACROSS THE ENTRANCE FROM WEST CREEK BUSINESS PARK SITE.

DETAILS OF HIS PROPERTY IS ZONED M TWO DID USE APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES OF THE 13.209.

ACRES OF THAT WHOLE PARCEL OVERALL SITE INCLUDES THE CREATION OF ADDITIONAL PARCELS FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEN REDESIGN A BIDDLE TUCKAHOE COURT COMMERCIAL OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS IN JANUARY OF 2021 TO ALLOW FOR THE CARWASH CONDITION SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, CONCEPTUAL PLAN SIGNAGE AND OUTSIDE STORAGE AND SCREENING OF ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH CARLA HE ITEMS. UH, THE BOARD WILL BE FOR CONSIDERATION OF COMMITTEES, UM, THE PRUDE ROOFING MATERIALS LIST FOR THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE OVERLAY DISTRICT OR WOOD SLATE STANDING SEAM METAL, ASPHALTS TINGLES, FIBERGLASS SHINGLES, THE PROPOSAL ROOFING MATERIALS IDENTIFIED AS ACRYLIC OR HYPER LIGHT HEAT STUMPED, EXCUSE ME, A HIGH-IMPACT ACRYLIC DOUBLE SKIN SHEET.

THIS MATERIALS NOT ONLY IMPROVE THIS AND ON THE, UH, SAMPLE SHAMBLES THERE IT'S THAT CORRECT? THAT'S THE ROOFING PORTION OF IT DEPENDED DISTRICT ACCESS LONG LITTLE TUCK HO THE CODE STATES THAT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS BETWEEN AND WITH INSIGHTS IS REQUIRED SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INCORPORATE SIDEWALKS ALONG THE ROUTE TWO 50 WITHIN THE STREETSCAPE BUFFER AND ALONG OTHER ROADS WHERE APPROPRIATE A MINIMUM OF A TWO FOOT BUFFER STRIP BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB IS REQUIRED.

THIS IS AN OVERALL SITE PLAN.

THIS AREA BEING THE CARWASH.

THERE IS A SIDEWALK HERE ALONG TWO 50, IT RUNS THE ENTIRE LENGTH.

IT TURNS THE CORNER AND STOPS RIGHT HERE.

THE ADDITION OF SIDEWALKS ALONG LITTLE TOUGH I WOULD OF COURT WOULD PROVIDE FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND SAY CONNECTIVITY FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL INVOLVEMENT.

THE BAY DOORS CODE STATES THAT THE USE OF BAIT, UH, USES THAT INCORPORATE BIG DOORS, SUCH AS GARAGES AND LOADING AND UNLOADING FACILITIES MUST HAVE ORIENTED DOORS TO THAT.

THEY DO NOT TASTE BROAD STREET ROAD.

THEY NEED THE ACCESS TO THE STUFF FROM THE STRUCTURE SIDE OR REAR.

THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

THIS PICTURE IS ACTUALLY TAKEN FROM ASSUMING IT WOULD BE TAKEN FROM WILKES RIDGE PARKWAY ACROSS TWO 50 TO THE SITE WHERE THE CAR WILL BE, EXCUSE ME.

IF THE COMMITTEE WERE TO APPROVE THIS DEVIATION FROM THE ORDINANCE CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SCREENING WITH LANDSCAPING AND OR FENCING IN ORDER TO OBSCURE THE VIEW OF THE BAY DOORS FROM BROAD STREET ROAD.

ALTHOUGH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWS SOME LANDSCAPING ALONG BROAD STREET ROAD, IT DOES NOT COMPLETE THE SCREEN TO BAIT DOORS.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE FACILITY TOMMY'S EXPRESS ON FOREST HILL AVENUE RICHMOND.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA THAT PICTURE'S ACTUALLY TAKEN FROM A FOREST HILL AVENUE SHOWS THE BANK OR THE FENCING OR WALL WERE CHOSEN

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THIS IS A MISSIONARY.

NOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY PAINT THE PICTURE? YES, WE DISAGREE HERE.

RIGHT? I WANTED TO CONFIRM MY UNDERSTANDING MATCHED YOUR USAGE.

SURE.

BUT IF THE, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE NATURE-Y PRODUCT HERE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN, WOULD YOU ALSO SEE ON THE BOTTOM PORTION OF CODING ITSELF, RIGHT.

MIGHT MAKE FOR A NICE STUFF.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN DISCUSSION DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY THE BUILDING HAS TO BE ORIENTED IN THAT FASHION? SUCH THAT THE DOOR IS DESIGNED TO FACE BROAD STREET, TAKE THE ORIENTATION A LOT.

UM, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO POSITION ON THE LOT IN THE DEVELOPMENT, HOW IT'S BEEN PRESENTED.

SAME QUESTION.

YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, I'M SURE YOU DIDN'T ANTICIPATE, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER SITE PLAN SHOW UP HERE.

ANOTHER BUILDING ONE DAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

PART OF THE CAR WASH.

THAT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, IT'S A SEPARATE INSTRUCTOR ORIENTATION PURPOSES, JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT BUILDING THAT IS, WHICH ONE THAT'S COMING THAT THAT'S WHEN RIGHT HERE, UM, IT'S PROPOSED, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT STATUS OF IT, BUT DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THE QUESTION? UM, SO THAT WILL BE A VALVOLINE.

UM, AND SO THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE SITE AND WE WILL BE MOST LIKELY BEFORE WE WILL, FOR A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS OF THAT BUILDING, AS SOON AS WE HAVE THEIR ARCHITECTURAL AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A SERVICE STATION THAT IS INSIDE SERVICE, JIFFY LUBE, SIMILAR TO THAT, CORRECT.

NOT SOUNDLY FUEL.

SO THE, THE WALLA IS RIGHT ACROSS LITTLE TACTO COURT THERE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE.

UM, AND THEN TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THE ORIENTATION, IT WOULD TAKE UP FOLKS OF THOSE LOTS.

CAN YOU STILL SEE THE DOORS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE AUDI? BECAUSE IT WOULD STILL BE VISIBLE ALONG BROAD STREET.

SO THIS ALLOWS FOR THE CIRCULATION PATTERN AND THEN TO MINIMIZE THE, THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING ALONG BROAD STREET.

SO I'LL SHOW YOU SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER, UM, AFTER THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL, TO HELP MITIGATE THAT.

OKAY.

SO IT IS ALL ONE PROPERTY AS PEACOCKS.

NO, SIR.

UM, AND I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

LARRY PAGE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY A YEAR AND A HALF AGO UNDER COX PROPERTY, LLC.

UM, AND SO HE'S ALSO THE OWNER OF THE AUDI DEVELOPMENT THAT IS TO THE WEST.

AND SO THIS WILL ULTIMATELY BE A COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT CONNECTED, UH, WATCH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT GOES ON A LITTLE TACO PORT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PRIVATE.

AND SO HE, UM, IS BASICALLY EVERYTHING ABOUT THE LAW AND THE SUNBELT, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE WAWA.

JUST ONE LAST QUESTION ON THIS FOR THE WATER SYSTEM TO EIGHT TO NINE ACRES.

SO IT WAS BOTH THE VALVOLINE AND TWO SEPARATE LOCKS ON TWO, TWO, SEVEN LOTS.

SO IT'S AN ADDITIONAL TWO ACRES OR NO, IT IS, THAT HAS BEEN BROKEN OFF FOR WILL IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING SUBDIVIDED INTO EACH OF THOSE LOTS OF THE TOTAL NINE ACRES.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU CAN INCORPORATE THIS INTO YOUR PRESENTATION IF YOU WANT.

AND YOU TOUCHED ON IT.

IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID CORRECTLY, WITH RESPECT TO THE BUILDING AND ITS ORIENTATION, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE DESIGNER, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN FOOTPRINT TO THE BUILDING WITH THE BAY DOORS BEING REALLY A PART OF THE FRONT ABOVE THE BUILDING.

IF YOU WILL, IF YOU WERE TO ORIENT THE BUILDING SO THAT THE BAY DOORS SIDE, YOU WOULD THEN HAVE A GREATER FOOTPRINT ALONG BROAD STREET, THAT WAS NOT MY MOST ARTICULATE SET.

UM, SO THIS, AND I'M JENNIFER MAHLER WITH RALPH JACKSON.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT, ROB ROYAL.

UH, TOMMY IS IN THE, IN THE BACK.

I CAN TAKE THIS OFF SO YOU CAN HEAR ME BETTER AS WELL AS DAVID ELLINGTON.

UM, SO HE'S AN ENGINEER WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND THEN CLARK JONES WITH JENS REALTY WHO KNOWS ALL ABOUT

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SO IF YOU MISS SOMETHING WITH EVERYBODY WILL CATCH ME, UM, ONE KEY PIECE JUST FOR ORIENTATION, IF YOU HAVEN'T, UM, THEN TO TOMMY'S BEFORE.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ENTRANCE FEATURE YOU'RE GOING TO COME IN AND YOU'RE GOING TO EXIT, UM, YOU HAVE THE, UH, CARWASH, UM, THEY HAVE VACUUMS THAT YOU CAN USE.

AND SO THOSE ARE THERE ON THIS SIDE, BUT YOU HAVE AN OPENING AT EITHER END.

SO IF YOU WERE TO TURN THE BUILDING, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A VIEW OF AN OPENING FROM EITHER END.

SO THE CONCEPT THAT, UM, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IF YOU COULD CUE UP MY PRESENTATION, UM, WE'LL SKIP TO THAT PRESENTATION OR THE, UM, THE PRESENTATIONS.

PERFECT.

CAUSE I CAN SHOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UM, IF YOU COULD SCROLL DOWN TO, OKAY, YOU CAN DO IT ANYWAY.

I DON'T MEAN TO HIDE PRESENTATION.

WHY DON'T I JUST HIT THE ROOF, UM, SIDEWALK AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL END WITH THE LANDSCAPING PIECE.

CAUSE I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT FROM THE BROAD STREET VIEW SHED.

AND I'VE GOT SOME, UM, UPDATED, JUST AN UPDATED SITE LAYOUT THAT IS RENDERED.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE DO.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST BASED ON THE ADDITIONAL SHRUBBERY AND REDS.

AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, JUST TELL ME WHAT, UM, SO WE CAN JUST GO IN ORDER STILL WITH THE, WITH RESPECT TO THE ROOF.

UM, THE TOMMY'S CARWASH DOES HAVE AN ACRYLIC ROOF.

YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY LABELED HERE IN J IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, BUT WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PICTURES, SO THIS IS JUST LOOKING INTO IT.

SO YOU HAVE METAL TRIM, WHICH IS APPROVED UNDER THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS BECAUSE OF THE NEXT SLIDE.

AND THIS IS ME WITH AN ACTION SHOT OF GETTING MY CAR WASHED.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS PART OF THE OVERALL GREEN COMPONENT OF TOMMY.

SO IT HAS, UM, IT HAS METAL COMPONENTS ALL THE WAY THROUGH ON THE INSIDE, WHICH YOU'LL NOTE.

AND SECOND ALSO READ ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT THEY, UM, THEY USE THIS BECAUSE IT REDUCES THE ELECTRIC CONSUMPTION DURING THE DAY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE LIGHTS ON.

THEY USE THE, THE LIGHT THAT COMES THROUGH THE ROOF IN ORDER TO, TO REDUCE THEIR, UM, THEIR FOOTPRINT.

CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? AND THIS SHOWS YOU JUST THE, THE METAL.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS MORE IN A MOMENT.

SO THIS IS LEADING UP TO THE ROOF.

YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND THIS IS FROM A PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO THE ONE ON FOREST HILL.

SO HERE'S AGAIN, THE METAL TRIM AND THEN THIS IS THE ROOF.

SO WHILE IT ISN'T ACRYLIC AND ACRYLIC IS NOT IN THE APPROVED MATERIALS, IT DOES READ MORE LIKE A METAL ROOF.

SO YOU HAVE THE COMPONENTS HAVING A LOW SLUNG ROOF.

IT'S NOT A FLAT ROOF, IT HAS THE SHAPE TO IT.

IT GOES OBVIOUSLY WITH THE TOMMY'S BRANDING, BUT IT DOES HAVE THE, THE VISUAL IMPACT THAT IS SIMILAR TO A METAL AS OPPOSED TO JUST A, UH, OPEN ROOF, UM, THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY THINK OF WITH AN ACRYLIC.

SO THIS JUST GIVES YOU, I THINK, A BETTER IMAGE THAN JUST THE, THE SMALLER SAMPLE.

WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE TIME.

I KIND OF ENVISIONED SOME OF THESE THINGS WHERE THEY JUST GETS MOLDY LOOKING, I GUESS, STUFF CHANGES, SURFACE CHANGES.

ROB, DO YOU WANT TO TALK TO YOUR QUESTION WAS WHAT HAPPENS TO IT OVER TIME? HAVE YOU HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH IT CHANGING? UM, I WANT TO TELL YOU THIS.

WHEN OUR CAR WASHES, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME CLEANING CARS.

IF OUR CUSTOMERS CALL THAT OUR CAR WASH IS NOT CLEAN, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

SO WE SPENT, WE HAVE EVERY HOUR, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT TEAM MEMBERS ARE DOING THAT.

UM, AND SOME OF THAT IS TO, YOU KNOW, THE CLEANING THE ROOF AS WELL INSIDE VERY THOROUGHLY THERE, NOT TOO MANY ISSUES WHERE THE ROOF HAS DISCOLORATION.

I MEAN, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT AT FOREST HILL.

UM, I WAS JUST AT MICHIGAN, WHICH IS WHERE THE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS ARE.

THEY'VE GOT WASHES THERE THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT 10 YEARS OLD.

AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ISSUE WITH THEIR SYLVAN OPERATION SINCE SMART OPENED IN MARCH OF 2019.

SO A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS.

AND SO JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE WHILE I WAS GETTING MY CAR WASHED, WHICH TAKES THREE MINUTES, ALL OF THE WINDOWS HAD BEEN CLEANED AGAIN.

THEY WERE SPRAYING DOWN ALL OF THE INSIDE.

SO FROM A, FROM AN OVERALL MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, I THINK ALL THAT RINGS TRUE, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE MATERIALS BEING KEPT UP TO SPEED, KEEP GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDES.

AND SO THEN IS THAT DESIGN CHOICE, JUST PART OF TOMMY'S BRANDING OR UNDERSTAND THERE'S A FUNCTIONAL COMPONENT IN THE SENSE THAT YOU WANT

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SO REMINDING THAT FUNCTIONALITY WELL, I THINK ROB CAN CORRECT ME, BUT ACRYLIC, IS IT? SO THAT IS THE ROOF THAT GOES WITH THE TOMMYS.

UM, WELL, IS THAT BECAUSE OF A BRANDING ISSUE? I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT, RIGHT.

YES THEY DID.

YES.

UH, BUT THERE WERE FUNCTIONAL ALTERNATIVES.

AND SO THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY BOTH.

SO IT IS A BRAND STANDARD.

THE OTHER PART IS, IS FUNCTION.

THEY FOUND THE PATH IS TRANSLUCENT.

SO IT ALLOWS LIGHT IN.

SO THAT HELPS.

IT'S ALSO A VERY HUMID ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM THEN ALL THE TOP OF THAT ROOM.

SO OUT, I IMAGINE THERE, THERE THEY'RE CERTAINLY RIGHT REASONING WHY THEY CHOSE THAT MATERIAL, UH, OTHER THAN JUST LET'S PICK SOMETHING AND MAKE IT A STANDARD TO CREATE THEIR BRAND.

EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO IS IT THIS FAMILY THAT WHO CREATED THIS, THIS MODEL, THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE BUILDING, THE CAR WASH BUSINESS FOR 50 YEARS.

AND THEY'RE TAKING ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY'VE LEARNED OPERATING CAR WASHES ARE NOW FRANCHISING THAT NOW IN MY GROUP HAS THE TERRITORY COMING IN CENTRAL VIRGINIA.

SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THERE'S ANY ALTERNATE BUILDING MATERIALS THAT ACCOMPLISH THE SAME PURPOSE, THAT WOULD BE CLOSER TO THE ITEMS LISTED OR SORT OF PRE-APPROVED AND THE REGULATIONS MIGHT SAY, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER.

RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER.

I KNOW THAT TOM USED HIS DOG.

YOU COULD OFFER ANOTHER OPTION, FIND A FRANCHISE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

AND OUR NEXT ITEM WAS THE SIDEWALK.

SO IF YOU JUST REFER TO YEAH, MR. LLOYD POINTED OUT, THE SIDEWALK STOPS HERE.

THIS IS A 50 FOOT PRIVATE RIGHT AWAY.

LITTLE TACO COURT IS CURRENTLY.

UM, SO WITH THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU HAVE THESE TWO COMMERCIAL PADS THAT DO HAVE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THEM.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE WAWA THAT DOES NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS GOING UP.

IT'S A PRETTY HIGH TRAFFIC AREA WITH A VERY CLOSE INTERSECTION TO BROAD STREET HERE.

ULTIMATELY.

UM, MR. PAGE IS THE, THE PLAN AND WE'RE ACTIVELY SEEKING ADDITIONAL USERS FOR THE BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD THEY, UM, THE PLAN FOR LITTLE TUCKAHOE COURT IS TO WIDEN IT, TO BECOME ULTIMATELY A PUBLIC ROAD.

SO IT WOULD BE A FOUR-LANE CROSS SECTION THAT WOULD HAVE PUBLIC SIDEWALK, UM, LANDSCAPE STRIPS THAT WOULD ALL BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER AT FOUR RINGS DRIVE.

UM, AND SO WHAT OUR REQUEST IS, IS TO WAIVE IT FOR THIS APPLICATION, WITH THE CONDITION THAT WE DO IT AT THE TIME THAT WE DEVELOP THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD THEN TRIGGER THE RECONSTRUCTION OF LITTLE TUCKAHOE COURT.

CAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO IMPROVEMENTS TO BE DONE A LITTLE TUCKAHOE COURT, UM, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH.

THERE, THERE IS A, UM, ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WOULD IMPACT THE WILDLIFE.

SO IT WOULD BE ON, UM, OUR PROPERTY HERE AS WELL AS ON THE WAWA SIDE.

AND SO THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WORKED THROUGH WITH, UM, WITH STAFF ON THE ULTIMATE WIDTH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, GIVEN THAT WE DO HAVE FOUR RINGS NOW FULLY CONSTRUCTED.

UM, SO THINKING ABOUT THE, THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND PLAN, UM, HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE ACCESS, UM, KNOWING WHAT OUR EXISTING BUILDING CONSTRAINTS ARE WITH THE, WITH THE EXISTING WAWA.

SO YOUR CURB AND GUTTER AND SIDEWALK, YES, IT WOULD, IT WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED AT ALL ON EITHER SIDE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UH, NO REQUIREMENTS FOR TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE CURB AND GUTTER DOESN'T EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO THE ENTRANCE, THE, UM, THE CURB AND GUTTER HERE, NO NEXT TO THE SITE, THE DRAWING DOES NOT EXTEND THE DATE, CURB AND GUTTER SIDEWALK UP TO THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE.

MAYBE I'LL BRING DAVID ELLINGTON OR HE CAN ANSWER THAT THE ENGINEER IN THE, IN THE BACK BROAD STREET, A SIDEWALK GOING UP IN HERE.

YES.

THERE'S NO SIDEWALK

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THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER IS FROM, FROM THIS SECTION.

UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY FOR THE GOSH UNTIL THIS BECOMES THE FOUR-LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THOSE AREAS.

ONE THING I'LL SAY JUST FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AND ALL FOUR SIDEWALKS, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT USES FOR CAR WASHES.

AND SO IF SOMEBODY WALKS ONTO OUR SITE, WE'RE VERY, AS A TEAM AND OPERATED, AND WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN BECAUSE THEIR CARS ARE ZIPPING IN AND OUT OF FEAR.

AND SO INDUSTRY AND TRAFFIC IS SOMEWHAT DISCOURAGED AT LEAST ON SITE , IT'S NOT REFLECTED LET ALONE.

YEAH.

SO, SO THE, THE VEHICULAR ACCESS, THERE WILL BE A DRIVEWAY THAT CONNECTS RIGHT HERE TO LITTLE TUCK IN A COURT.

SO IF YOU SEE THAT, THAT STUB SECTION RIGHT HERE, THAT WILL BE JUST CONNECTED INTO LITTLE TACO COURT.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE ENGINEERING HAS BEEN FULLY WORKED OUT FOR THE WHERE THAT IS, BUT IT IS BASICALLY THAT LAST TRUCK THAT IS SHOWN HERE AND IT WILL DROP INTO A LITTLE TACO COURT.

YOU MAY AS WELL.

UM, SO THE, THE REQUEST IS BECAUSE WE'D BE RECONSTRUCTING THIS ENTIRE ROAD SECTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTHERN PROPERTY TO WAIT FOR THAT, THAT DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THAT WILL ULTIMATELY ALIGN THE ROAD AND ITS FINAL FORM.

WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A CERTAIN TIMELINE WE'RE WORKING ACTIVELY WITH USERS RIGHT NOW, ANY ROUGH ESTIMATES.

I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO, TO ASK FOR A WAIVER WITHOUT AN IDEA OF THE TIMELINE.

CAUSE THAT'S, IT'S ALMOST ILLUSORY, RIGHT? IT'S A WAIVER WITHOUT CONDITION.

IS THERE, UNLESS THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE COMPLETED AT A CERTAIN TIME, THEN IT COULD EFFECTIVELY BE AN ILLUSORY.

AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT AN OUTSIDE DATE ON THE, ON THE SIDEWALK.

SO IF THE, IF WE DON'T HAVE A CONSTRUCTION PLAN OF LIKE LITTLE TALK ABOUT HOME COURT AND THREE YEARS, TWO YEARS, EVEN THAT THAT WOULD, THAT GIVES US A RUNWAY TO GET THE USER, TO GET OUR ROAD SECTION IN, IN PLACE.

UM, THE, THE CHALLENGES WITH THE ROAD SECTION, THE REASON WE'RE ASKING IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE COUNTY IT'S WITH VEDA AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER OVER HERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EVEN EASEMENT RIGHTS TO LITTLE DECO COURT.

SO THERE'S JUST SOME EXTRA HOOPS THAT WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO GET THAT BREAD SECTION LAST, LET ME ASK STAFF, WAS THERE ANY, UM, WAIVERS OR SOMETHING FOR A LONG WALL FOR THE SIDEWALK ON THEIR SIDE TO PUT IN THE SIDEWALK ONCE THE ROADWAY COMES IN, PRECEDED THE CONDITIONER.

OKAY.

SO WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A SIDEWALK ON THEIR SIDE.

CORRECT.

SO YOU'RE REFERENCING FOUR ROSES.

SO THAT HAS SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES, LIGHTING LANDSCAPING.

CORRECT.

AND WE WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE THAT CONSISTENT THEME.

SO THAT ONE KNOWS THAT YOU'RE IN THE SAME WAY.

CAUSE THAT ACTUALLY RUNS ALL THE WAY TO THE WALL AS FAR AS YOU CAN GO TO THAT BALL.

YEAH.

AND THAT ROAD IS FULLY DEDICATED TO THE DONE.

UM, BUT I'M CURIOUS NOW, IF YOU'RE USING THAT AS A MODEL SIDEWALKS GO IN BOTH SIDES, IT WAS THE, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN WITH VILA.

SO YOU GOT A SIDEWALK ON THE WALL, SO BEAT UP WOULD NOT PUT IT IN AND THERE WOULD BE NO REFERENCE OR REQUIREMENT FOR A WILD LOT TO PUT IT IN.

IF WE WANTED THEM BOTH SIDES, THAT WOULD BE A COST.

THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO BE, WHAT'S GONNA BE ON LIKE, SO IT'S ON, THIS WOULD PROBABLY THE SIDEWALK IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN AND YOU'RE OUTSIDE.

CORRECT.

UM, AND WE NEED TO GO BACK.

WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT TO DO THAT NOW? WHAT WOULD,

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JUST PUT IT IN FOR WHERE THE ROAD I'LL SHARE IT, YOUR ROAD WIDENING WOULD BE IN PLACE.

UM, I THINK THE ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE THE, THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY.

IF YOU WOULD HAVE TO RIP IT OUT AND PUT IT IN THERE.

NO I'M SAYING DON'T DO THAT.

PUT IT IN FAR BACK ENOUGH, WHICH WOULD NOT REQUIRE YOU TO RIP IT OUT AGAIN.

IT WOULD JUST HAVE, INSTEAD OF WHAT MAY BE AN EIGHT FOOT BUFFER NOW AND ENDED UP WITH A TWO FOOT BUFFER, WHICH WOULD BE THE REQUIREMENT OF THE OVERLAY.

IT'S LIKE A TWO FOOT, I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

I THINK THAT WE WERE HOPING TO MOVE IT TO THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY.

BUT IF WE CAN WORK THROUGH HOW WE CAN GET TO A SPACE THAT'S SAFE.

YEAH.

AND THAT WAY YOU CAN FINISH THE LANDSCAPING AND YOU CAN DO IT ALL AND IT'S ALL BE DONE AND JUST HAVE WHATEVER THAT FUTURE REVENUE THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY GO FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT JUST GETS THEM ALL OFF AND MAKES IT EASIER.

AND DOESN'T DISTURB LIKE WORK AND DOESN'T FACE THE INVESTORS.

SURE.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ABUSE THE SIDEWALK TO HOLD UP THE CERTIFICATE I'M AFRAID HAVE.

SO I THINK THAT'S HOW IT MAKES SENSE.

WELL, IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON FOUR LANE STREET, UH, TOMMY, WHERE RIGHT AWAY, IT'S GOING TO BE, SO WE, WE KNOW WHERE WE WOULD PROPOSE IT.

IT JUST HASN'T GONE THROUGH THE FULL COUNTY APPROVAL, THAT FULL BEAT OUT APPROVAL.

SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE WORKED WITH IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, SO THERE'S ACTUALLY NO EASEMENTS FOR THE PRIVATE USERS THAT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH.

SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF EXTRA LAYERS OF COMPLICATION.

SO I THINK THAT YOUR SUGGESTION MAKES A LOT OF SENSE ON JUST MOVING IT AS FAR AS WAY AS WE CAN IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE TO DO IT TWICE ONE OF YOUR BILLS AND BE DONE WITH IT.

THAT'S WHAT SHE IS.

SHE'S A GREAT ATHLETE.

YEAH.

SO WE'D BE HAPPY FOR THAT TO BE A CONDITION AND WE'LL GET THE SIDEWALK LITERACY TO FIGURE OUT THE LOCATION.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE CONGESTED BECAUSE PEOPLE GO BACK DOWN TO THE VACUUM AREA AND THEN THEY HAVE TO LEAVE EITHER THAT SAME WAY.

OR DID YOU GO THROUGH THE VALVOLINE? YES, SIR.

SO YOU GOT THE CHOICE EITHER ONE, PLEASE DON'T BE A LITTLE CONGESTED UP HERE.

I CAN GO THROUGH AND GET THE CAR WASH TWICE.

YEAH.

WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET TO THE LANDSCAPING, I THINK YOU MADE AN IMPORTANT POINT IS THE LANDSCAPING CONSIDERATIONS AND THE SIGNAGE, I THINK ALL WILL PLAY INTO IT, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO JUMP AHEAD.

NO, THAT'S FINE.

UM, I'M WITH YOU NOW.

UM, SO, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT VIEW SHEDS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE, SO THIS IS THE, BEFORE THIS IS, UM, COMING SOON, WE'LL ALL SIGN.

UM, THE STOPLIGHT UP HERE GIVES YOU THE, THE ANGLE THAT WE'RE GOING FOR.

AND SO THAT IS ALL KEY TO THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TO SEE THAT ONE IS SMALL.

UM, SO YOU CAN SEE IT.

SO RIGHT HERE, WE'RE COMING JUST ABOUT UP THIS WAY.

YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UM, AND SO THAT SHOWS THE BUILDING SUPERIMPOSED.

AND SO THESE DARK SHRUBS ARE THE ONE THAT WE'VE ADDED SINCE THE STAFF REPORT TO HELP MITIGATE THE, THE VIEW OF THE OPEN DOOR.

SO THE PIECE THAT THAT IS BEFORE YOU IS THE VIEW OF THAT OPEN DOOR.

AND SO BEFORE WE JUST HAD, UM, EVERGREEN SHRUBS, WHICH ARE THE, YOU KNOW, 18 FOOT HIGH, UM, NOW YOU HAVE THE FOUR TO SIX FOOT HIGH SHRUBS.

AND SO THAT HELPS SCREEN THE VISIBILITY, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, SO THIS IS STRAIGHT ACROSS AGAIN, WILKES RIDGE.

AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SIDE, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY THERE IN THAT ONE, UM, AGAIN, YOU HAVE YOUR NEW FLORIDA, SIX FOOT HIGH SHRUBS STRATEGICALLY PLACED HERE AS WELL AS THERE SO THAT YOU GET IT FROM MULTIPLE VIEW SHEDS ALONG BROAD STREET ROAD.

I THINK OF THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, AND THIS IS COMING FROM THE EAST, THE NEXT SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE NEW LANDSCAPING THERE.

AND SO THAT IS OUR PROPOSAL TO, INSTEAD OF DOING A WALL IS TO, IF YOU GO OUT TO FOREST HILL, THINK THAT ONE PICTURE TOOK A SECTION FROM THE SIDEWALK, BUT THE SHRUBS ARE FOUR TO SIX FEET HIGH THERE.

UM, AND BLOCK THE, YOU DON'T SEE THE CARS COMING OUT OF THE SAME DOOR THERE.

AND SO THAT IS THE PROPOSAL FOR THE, FOR THE

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UM, IF YOU RECALL ON THE AUDI, THE BAY DOORS FOR THE SERVICE, UM, WE ADDED THE LANDSCAPING ALONG BROAD STREET AT THREE CHOPPED, UM, BEHIND THE ONE OUT PARCEL THAT, UM, MR. HENLEY OWNS ON THE CORNER IN ORDER TO SCREEN THE VIEW OF THOSE DOORS, CONCEPT, YOUR PRESENTATION, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE WALL MIGHT PROVIDE AN INTERESTING SCREENING AND, AND MATCH THE MATERIAL AT THE BUILDING THAT SORT OF GRAYISH STONE.

I DON'T KNOW, IT WASN'T STOLEN, WHATEVER THE MATERIAL, I GUESS IT WAS CONCRETE BLOCK.

UM, WAS, WAS THERE A CONSIDERATION OR A SUGGESTION IN THAT ABOUT WHAT THE HEIGHT OF THAT WALL MIGHT LOOK? THERE WAS ONE I'M TRYING TO COMPARE IT TO, I'M THINKING THAT THE TYPE OF HEIGHT THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT PROPORTION.

YEAH.

THAT'S PROBABLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD FOR THE WALL, ANYTHING HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT YOU ALMOST KIND OF STAND OUT.

I THINK IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT, SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT FOUR RINGS, THE, WE PUT IN THE, UM, IT'S A LOWER STONEWALL TO HELP SOFTEN THE LOOK OF THE CORRUGATED METAL.

UM, I THINK THAT'S THREE FEET HIGH.

SO IF YOU START DOING A SIX FOOT TALL CINDER BLOCK WALL, THAT STARTS FEELING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN I THINK WHAT THE OVERLAY IS GOING FOR.

AND SO, YEAH, I DON'T DISAGREE.

THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT HEIGHT, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, SO PUT IN THAT WALL AT FOUR RINGS TO SOFTEN THE CORRUGATED, RIGHT? AND SO HERE WE ARE IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF BRANDING, BUT WE'VE GOT THIS SORT OF BRIGHT RED IN THE ACRYLIC ROOF AND REQUESTS OF THAT.

AND TRUMP, AND IT PROVIDES ME PROVIDE ADEQUATE SCREENING, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WITHOUT SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'RE NECESSARILY MATCHING THE LOOK AND FEEL THAT WE'VE MAINTAINED IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.

I MEAN, THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S GOING THROUGH.

SURE.

AND SO WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THE, THE LANDSCAPING, IF YOU, THIS LANDSCAPING DESIGN IS CONSISTENT.

AGAIN, TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THE ULTIMATE, THE ULTIMATE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS A SIMILAR LANDSCAPE DESIGN THAT IS DOWN AT THE FOUR RINGS.

UM, THERE WILL BE A PROJECT SIGN THAT IS BASICALLY A SMALLER VERSION OF WHAT IS THAT FOUR RINGS.

SO IT HAS THAT SAME STONE BASE.

SO AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL WALLS, I THINK THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY MAY END UP WITH SOME, SOME CONSISTENT THEMES OF WHAT HAPPENS AT FOUR RINGS, BUT WE'D HAVE TO ULTIMATELY DESIGN THAT TO HAVE ANOTHER CINDERBLOCK.

I MEAN, NOT THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT IT JUST, WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING THE PROJECT SIGN WITH THE STONE, THE STONE GOING IN THERE, THAT BECOMES A LOT OF ADDITIONAL MATERIALS.

SO THE USING THE LANDSCAPING AS THE COMMON THEME IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE, THE OPENING, I THINK THAT THE BUILDING MATERIALS THEMSELVES WERE ABLE TO BE ADMINISTRATIVELY REVIEWED.

SO FROM A COA STANDPOINT, ADDING THAT EXTRA LANDSCAPING SOFTENS IT BOTH VISUALLY BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING VERY FAST IF YOU'RE NOT TURNING IN TO GET YOUR CARWASH, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HELP HELP KEEP YOUR EYE TO THAT, THAT GREEN, WHICH IS EVERGREEN.

SO IT WOULD BE ALL YEAR ROUND.

UM, I GUESS, I GUESS KIND OF GOING BACK TO STEVE'S POINT, THE MATERIALS THEY'RE VERY INDUSTRIAL, UM, AND RESISTANT TO, BUT THAT WAS AN ISSUE.

AND I THINK THAT THE, A LOT OF BUCK WAS GIVEN TO THE LANDSCAPE.

AND AT THE TIME WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN HANDLED THE LANDSCAPE PROFESSIONAL ON THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND HE WAS ABLE TO REALLY TALK ABOUT HOW THAT SHOULD LOOK AND HOW THE TIE IN, BUT THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE WALL.

UM, THE WALL WAS REALLY DESIGNED TO TRY TO HAVE SOME OFFSET TO THIS INDUSTRIAL.

AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A MORE OF AN INDUSTRIAL LOOKING OUT, UM, JUST BY DESIGN AND COLORS AND SHARING THE ELEVATION GIVES US, I THINK, AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT WE DON'T NEED A SIX FOOT WALL.

I THINK IF, IF, IF YOU HAVE THE NICE LANDSCAPE AND A LANDSCAPE FEATURE PIPE WALL THAT MAYBE WORKS ITS WAY AROUND THE ARCH AROUND THE CORNER AND IN PARKS, TITLE IS NOT MEANT TO GO THE ENTIRE LENGTH, BUT JUST AT THE HIGH POINT OF THE HILL, IT COULD BE A THREE-FOOT FOOT STONE WALL THAT MATCHED IS WHAT'S ON FOR RENT, JUST A SMALLER SECTION, SMALLEST SECTION, AND HAVE AN ARCH AND THEN TIE IN THE LANDSCAPING.

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THE BEGINNING IS THAT YOU HAVE A LONG FALL STEP.

SOME OF THIS INDUSTRIAL FEATURE, NOT HUGE WALL THAT WAS EXPLAINING SOME TYPE OF STONE, LIKE USING THE WALK WITH IT, ADI, UM, AND THEN TIE IN SO THAT THE ATLANTA HEAVY, HEAVY LANDSCAPING AS WELL.

UM, AND THAT WOULD REALLY SOFTEN THAT CORNER.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS OTHER BELT, BUT WHEN HE COMES TO THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'D WANT TO TIE IN RIGHT ON THE OTHER END, JUST TO COMPLIMENT THAT.

CAN WE HAVE A BARN THERE INSTEAD? I MEAN, OR, WELL, IT IS A HIVE.

I WENT OUT THERE TODAY.

IT IS, IT'S PROBABLY AN EIGHT FOOT ELEVATION OFF THE SIDEWALK.

SO CAN WE ASK THAT A CERTAIN HEIGHT BE MAINTAINED TO HAVE THAT JUST KIND OF BLOCK IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

I WAS THINKING OF THAT.

HOW, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT GOING TO BE? ARE YOU GOING TO KNOCK THAT HILL DOWN? WHAT'S THE PLAN? YEAH.

THE ONLY THING IS FROM WHERE IT IS TODAY, IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN MAYBE TWO FEET.

SO YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE KIND OF SIX TO SEVEN FEET UP IN THE AIR.

SO IF YOU HAD A THREE FOOT LANDSCAPE STONE WALL, THAT WOULD PROBABLY DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB VISUALLY.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT.

THAT WAS THE STONE.

WHAT WE WANT IN THAT DISTRICT.

I MEAN, IS THAT ACHIEVING? THAT'S WHAT WE DID, WE WITH FOUR AND WE DID IT JUST TO SOFTEN SOME OF THE MORE INDUSTRIAL FEATURES OF THE BUILDING ONE AND TWO.

I THINK THE OTHER DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD ABOUT THIS, ADDING THAT ALONG WITH THE LANDSCAPING ACTUALLY THEN INCREASED THE PEDESTRIAN LIGHT FIELD RIGHT UP THE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDING THAT SORT OF A FEATURE WOULD, WOULD ADD SOME UNIFORMITY IN THAT OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, MAINTAINING THAT PEDESTRIAN PLACE.

I MEAN, THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION.

I THINK IT WAS, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT REMEMBER THAT.

I DO VERY MUCH THAT TIME.

I DO AGREE.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT I GO BACK TO THE REBELS AND WEGMANS OR THAT STONEWALL FROM BROAD STREET IS 20 FEET, BUT AT LEAST 20 FEET.

UM, AND I DON'T THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THE ELEVATION HERE.

SO I THINK OF WHAT WOULD BE A SEVEN OR EIGHT FOOT ELEVATION WITH A THREE FOOT LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SET IT BACK A LITTLE BIT, SO IT WOULDN'T BE AS ABRUPT OR AS YOU KNOW, IN YOUR FACE, AS YOU'RE STANDING THERE FROM PEDESTRIAN SCALE PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD COMPLIMENT THE LAND, THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE.

YOU THINKING THAT THE SAME WALL COULD GO HERE, THE SAME LOOK AND FEEL TO MAKE THE ENTRANCE INTO THIS FOUR RINGS DEVELOPMENT.

OR WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT WOULD NEED TO LOOK DIFFERENT TO HELP MATCH THE THOMAS? WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO REQUEST THAT EITHER A SIMILAR WALL TO THE FOUR RINGS OR WHAT MR. LLOYD SUGGESTED WITH JUST A SHORTER VERSION, IF WE COULD TIE THAT INTO THEIR PROJECT SIGN OR SOMETHING.

SO IT DOESN'T, I THINK IT FEELS COHESIVE, RIGHT? ONE LIKE THEY DID ON NORTH GATE ROAD AND RIGHT.

BECAUSE THAT'S TERRIBLE.

RIGHT.

WE USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, WE DIDN'T RIGHT.

BUT I THINK WHAT THEY DID WITH BALI, THE FOUR RANGE IS THEY ACTUALLY HAD A REAL STONE AND IT WAS A FIELDSTONE MASONARY BUILT WALL THAT HAD LIKE A BLUE STONE CAPSTONE OR SOMETHING ON IT.

SO I THINK WE HAD SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH THAT GENERAL CONCEPT.

RIGHT.

I THINK WE HAD PLANS FOR WHAT WE DID BEFORE.

SO IF IT WOULD BE OKAY TO DO AN EITHER OR OF A THREE FOOT HIGH SECTION, UM, AND YOU'RE THINKING JUST SO I CAN, COULD JUST TALK ABOUT LIKE THE LENGTH OF THE WALL.

I WOULD THINK YOU I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE ROUNDED EDGE, RIGHT? WE NEED TO DRIVE TO SHADE TREE WINDING THE CORNER, THE WHITEBOARD TO BROAD STREET HAS LIKE FOUR RED BUSHES.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SHADE ON THE BROAD STREET SIDE.

DO YOU WANT TO DO IT LIKE A GOOD LAMP? I'M REALLY BLUNT THE TWO FOOT LANDSCAPE.

WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

SO COME DOWN TO THAT AND I'D BEEN BLOCKING US ALL UP AND YOU CAN STOP IT.

I WAS THINKING I WAS THINKING

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OKAY.

SO WOULD THESE GO BACK TO THAT SIZE? SO YOU COULD STILL SEE THE WALL, OR MAYBE JUST A COUPLE, I THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, I DON'T HAVE THAT EXPERTISE OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

DAVID, DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT ON THAT? THE ONLY THING I'M THINKING ABOUT IS THERE WAS A BUNCH OF UTILITIES AND WATER AND SEWER AND POWER LINES UP THERE.

SO WE'RE RUNNING IN THE SAME PLACE WE CAN GET INTO THE CORNER.

WELL, I GUESS I DON'T, I WOULDN'T TRY TO MAKE IT THAT CLOSE TO THE CORNER.

I THINK THEY HAVEN'T SET BACK AS WHAT I WAS SAYING.

I THINK THAT THE, THIS IS QUITE UP TO FIVE, CORRECT.

I THINK I'M THINKING OF MORE OF A TOURIST WHERE YOU HAVE THE LANDSCAPING ON THE SIDE CLOSEST TO THE BROAD STREET, AND THEN YOU HAVE LIKE, YOU HAVE A, OR WITH THE RED BUSHES AND THEN THE WALL ALMOST.

SO I GUESS FROM A SOLUTION STANDPOINT, THOUGH, IF WE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE FOUR TO SIX FEET HIGH, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO PULL SOME OF THESE OUT? SO YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME CONSISTENT FEEL, BUT THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE MAYBE YOU COULD PUT ANOTHER MATERIAL IN THERE THAT WOULD COMPLIMENT I'M THINKING, I DON'T KNOW, AGAIN, I WISH ARCHITECTURE WAS HERE.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE SOME TYPE OF A KNOCK ON THE ROAD? I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD PUT THERE TO COMPLIMENT THE STONE WALL, UM, PERSPECTIVE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE AREA BETWEEN TWO 88 AND RIGHT.

GOES TO, WE TREAT THIS AREA MUCH DIFFERENTLY.

UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE WENT WITH FOR THE WALL WAS NOT ONLY TO STOP IT, BUT TO HAVE THIS REPEATING ELEMENT THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.

SO THEY TIED TOGETHER.

SO WHAT ABOUT, AND I, AND I ALSO AM CONCERNED WITH THE HEIGHT AND THEN A WALL ON TOP OF IT.

CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING UP RIGHT.

AND IT'S RURAL CHARACTER.

THAT'S ALMOST WALL SHIT OUT.

YEAH.

WHAT IF THEY DO JUST A SMALL PORTION OF THAT REPEATING WALL HERE AND THAT YOU STILL HAVE SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING THERE, IT'S REPEATING THE ELEMENT, BUT IT'S NOT SAYING STAY OUT.

AND IF IT'S RIGHT HERE, THEN IT'S GOING TO BLOCK THAT.

AND I GUESS TO GO BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, SO THAT'S, I WAS THINKING EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE, WELL, YOU HAVE, THIS IS A TERRORIST AND THEN YOU'D HAVE THE WALL BACK THERE.

IT'S JUST, HOW FAR DOES THE WALL, DOES IT COME DOWN TO, WE FIND A FLOCK THIS AREA HERE.

I THINK YOU'RE JUST BLOCKING THE VISUAL.

SO I'M THINKING IT'S JUST HERE.

CAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO WALL EVERYTHING OFF TO SOFTEN.

IT WOULD, WOULDN'T BE OKAY.

HOW DO I GO TO KIND OF FOLLOW THAT ALLOWED A LITTLE BIT.

SO JUST CURB FOLLOW THE CURVE RATHER THAN JUST A SHORT LITTLE WALL AND HAVE IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 20 FEET OR 30 FEET OR FOUR.

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LENGTH OF THE WALLETS.

AND YOU COULD DO SOMETHING IF YOU WANT IT TO BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT, I GUESS.

UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE SAME IS THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE ABRUPT AGAINST BROAD STREET.

IT SHOULDN'T BE RECESSED BACK AND CREATE A TERRORIST EFFECT.

IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SIX FOOT HIGH.

WE'RE SAYING LIKE WE'VE PUT HIGH WITH LIKE A BLUE STONE PATH OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SOFTENED ON THIS CORNER HERE.

AND I'M JUST SUGGESTING OUR SHORT OR KIND OF, RATHER THAN JUST THIS GREAT WALL AND FIGURING OUT WHAT HE NEEDS TO PUSH IT BACK.

WELL, LET'S DO IT.

FOUR RINGS, CLARK, VERMONT, AND ME, THEY WERE, THEY WERE SMALLER SECTIONS THAT THEN HAD GAPS SO THAT YOU COULD DO, YOU KNOW, TO ACHIEVE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF AFRAID OF YOUR FANCY SCREEN.

YOU CAN DO SOMETHING THAT GOES AROUND INDUSTRIAL SORT OF SMALLER SECTION.

SURE.

YEAH.

PLEASING HAS NICE LANDSCAPES.

WE CAN TRUST STONEWALL, WHICH IS KIND OF A RURAL THING AND EXPLAINING THE LANDSCAPE AND WHAT THEY DID ALONG THE DRIVE.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A TWO FOOT RIBBON GRAPH BETWEEN THE ROAD BEFORE YOU GET FROM THE SIDEWALK.

AND THEN THEY CREATED ABOUT A WALL AND THEN THEY HAVE REALLY NICE LOW PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK UP ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BACK.