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[I. Call to Order, 2:00 PM]
WE WILL GET STARTED WITH THE JUNE 1ST, ALREADY A REGULAR MEETING OF THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.UH, WE WILL START THE MEETING AS WE ALWAYS DO WITH AN INVOCATION, AND WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE ON MR. PETE BELL.
[II. Invocation]
PEOPLE, WELL FROM HOPE CHURCH HERE TO LEAD US.AND AFTER THAT, UM, MR. PETERSON WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
JOHN TOLD ME YOU HAD A HEAVY AGENDA TODAY, SO HE SAID, IF YOU WOULD PREACH A 10 MINUTE SERMON, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UH, I'M SORRY FOR THE CASUAL DRESS TODAY, WHICH IS COMING FROM A TIME WITH SOME COLLEGE INTERNS AND I WANTED THEM TO THINK I WAS HIP, BUT I'M A 63 YEAR OLD GUY WITH TWO KNEE REPLACEMENTS AND HEARING AIDS.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE MOMENT OF STILLNESS IN THIS AFTERNOON.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S INSTILLED IN US THAT WE HEAR YOU.
SO WE PRAY LORD THAT JOINED THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, MEETING THAT THE SAME GOD WHO PUT THE MOON AND STARS IN PLACE WITH ONE FINGER WOULD MOVE IN THESE MEN AND WOMEN AND FOR THE PEOPLE HERE TO LEAD WITH ALL WISDOM AND CARE FOR THIS GREAT COUNTY IN YOUR SON'S NAME.
[III. Pledge of Allegiance]
[IV. Presentation and Recognition of Full Accreditation through Virginia Law]
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ALL RIGHT.UM, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS A PRESENTATION, UM, ON ACCREDITATION.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT TO NEXT MONTH.
UH, MR. MAYS FROM D C J D C J S HAD HER EMERGENCY.
AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE THAT BOARD MEMBERS TO NEXT MONTH, ROMAN NUMERAL FOUR.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO NUMBER FIVE.
ANOTHER ONE OF THE FUN THINGS WE DO IS A PRESENTATION OF A RESOLUTION OF RECOGNITION TO THE ROTARY CLUB.
MR. YOUNG, OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS A MEMBER OF THE ROTARY SAW, ASKED HIM TO READ THE RESOLUTION WE'LL I'LL I'LL COME FORWARD.
AND, UM, I THINK MR.
WHERE DO YOU THINK HE'S GOING TO GET SOME
[V. Presentation of Resolution of Recognition to the Rotary Club of Goochland on its]
WELL-DESERVED ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND RECOGNITION TO THE ROTARY CLUB OF GOOCHLAND ON THE CELEBRATION OF ITS 25TH ANNIVERSARY.AND WHEREAS THE ROTARY CLUB OF GUCCI AND RECEIVES HIS CHARTER FROM ROTARY INTERNATIONAL IN OCTOBER, 1995 AND WERE ASKED FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS, THE MEMBERS OF ROTARY CLUB OF GOOCHLAND HAVE SUPPORTED A PARTICIPATED INSIGNIFICANT HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS ON A LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL LEVEL UNDER THE MOTTO OF SERVICE ABOVE SELF.
AND WHEREAS THE GUCCI AND ROTARY SIGNATURE SERVICE PROJECT IS KNOWN AS THE WOOD CHECKERS PROGRAM, WHICH PROVIDES FREE WOOD TO FAMILIES IN GOOCHLAND WHO USE FIREWOOD AS THEIR PRIMARY SOURCE OF WINTER HEATING, AND ALSO SELLS LOADS OF FIREWOOD TO RAISE FUNDS FOR OTHER COMMUNITY PROJECTS.
AND WHEREAS GOODSON ROTARY SERVICE PROJECTS RANGE FROM ROADSIDE CLEANUPS MEALS ON WHEELS, MENTORING THE, THE COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM, SUPPORTING MANY GOOCHLAND NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, SUCH AS GOOCHLAND CARES, GUCCI AND HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, GOSHEN EDUCATION FOUNDATION, GOOCHLAND, CASA
WHEREAS THE GOODSON ROTARY PROVIDES GRANTS AND DONATIONS TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS GOODSON CARE'S CHRISTMAS MOTHER GOOCHLAND, FIRE RESCUE HOUSTON, PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND MANY OTHER AREAS IN THE COUNTY.
WHEREAS THE GOODSON ROTARY SECURITY GRANT TO ASSIST THE COUNTY AND BUILDING AN EXERCISE TRAIL AT HIDDEN ROCK PARK AND ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE IN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, EVENTS, SUCH AS YMC, AES, BRIGHT BEGINNINGS PROGRAM HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, UH, MEALS ON WHEELS AND ADOPT A HIGHWAY AND HELPS IN FUNDRAISING EFFORTS FOR THOSE EVENTS.
WHEREAS THE GUCCI AND ROTARY ALSO DONATES CHILDREN'S BOOKS TO LOCAL SCHOOLS SPONSORS, THEY LOCAL FOURTH AND FIFTH GRADE ESSAY CONTEST AND PROVIDES MENTORS FOR STUDENTS.
IT ALSO SPONSORS AN ANNUAL $1,500 SCHOLARSHIP FOR SELECTED HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS THAT RESIDE IN THE COUNTY.
AND WE'RE AS THE GOOCHLAND ROTARY CONTINUES TO INSPIRE, ASSIST AND EDUCATE COUNTLESS MEMBERS AND VOLUNTEERS LEAVING A POSITIVE AND LASTING EFFECT ON THEIR COMMUNITY AND THE SURROUNDING REGION.
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE GUCCI COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, HEREBY COMMENDS AND THE GOOCHLAND ROTARY ON ITS 25TH ANNIVERSARY AND EXTRAORDINARY COMMITMENT TO THE COUNTY AND COMMUNITY
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION? OKAY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE RESOLUTION OF RECOGNITION TO THE ROTARY CLUB OF GOOCHLAND ON ITS 25TH ANNIVERSARY AS PRESENTED
AND WE WERE JUST IN TUCKER PARK FOR A RIBBON CUTTING, UM, EARLIER, UH, IN ONE O'CLOCK A LITTLE BIT AGO AND I WAS TALKING TO A ROTARY MEMBER AND I, UM, HE WAS POINTING OUT THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE DOING SOME BARBECUE PITS OVER ON THE, I GUESS, ON THE OTHER SIDE FROM THE LARGER PARK.
SO ROTARY HAS ITS HANDS IN SO MANY PLACES AND YOU'RE DOING SO MANY THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
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COURSES IS ALMOST DONE IS THAT THAT'S COMING SAME PROGRESS.SO LOTS OF PLANS, LOTS OF THINGS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS, I'M TRYING TO, I KNOW YOU ALL CAME TO US LAST MONTH OR MAYBE THE MONTH BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT THE FOOD DRIVE.
SO SAY A FEW WORDS, PLEASE, AND AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU ALL, UH, ROAD ROTARIANS.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS HONOR.
IT'S TRULY IS ON BEHALF OF ALL THE ROTARIANS AND OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, UM, AT THE ROTARY CLUB AT GOOCHLAND.
UM, WE CERTAINLY, AS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, IT'S THE LUMPKINS THAT ARE OUR SERVICE IN THE COMMUNITY, CERTAINLY AS WIDE AND FAR, THE NETS WIDE AND FAR OUR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY IS CERTAINLY ENJOYED BY MANY.
UM, AS YOU REFERENCED THE DISC GOLF, WHICH HAS EVERETT HIT ROCK PARK, AS WELL AS THE EXERCISE TRAIL, THAT, THAT, THAT PROJECT ALONE, THOSE TWO PROJECTS WERE COMBINED OR FROM ROTARY WAS $11,000 FROM FUNDS THAT WE RAISED.
AND SO JUST AGAIN, WANT TO THANK YOU.
SO WE HAVE 63 DEDICATED MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE DRIVEN INDIVIDUAL FOCUSED ON IMPROVING OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT JUST ADD A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS OF THE HOURS THAT OUR ROTARIANS HAVE PUT IN THIS YEAR.
2,628 HOURS TO DATE HAS BEEN GIVEN, UH, HERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT, AND THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR VOLUNTEER SERVICES, $25 AN HOUR.
SO THAT TOTALS ALMOST $62,000 AND, AND FUNDS, UH, THE FOUNDATION ALONE BETWEEN LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR HAS, UM, CONTRIBUTED ALMOST $70,000.
THAT'S A TOTAL OF 70 GRAND JUST TO LOCAL NONPROFITS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SERVICE PROJECTS, LIKE WHAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE WHAT'S COMING UP HERE AT TUCKER PARK, UH, ALL THOSE THINGS ROLL UP UNDERNEATH THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
NOW, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE, I MENTIONED TOO.
YOU MENTIONED THE SCHOLARSHIP, UH, THE THREE, WE ARE GIVEN A $3,000 SCHOLARSHIP THIS YEAR TO A SENIOR AT
SO IT'S BEEN 1500, BUT WE'VE RAISED ENOUGH MONEY TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE A $3,000, UM, SCHOLARSHIP.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
I'D LIKE TO ALSO JUST RECOGNIZE THOSE ROTARIANS THAT ARE IN THE ROOM.
WE'VE GOT WAYNE TO MENTEE, ROBIN YULMAN WILL YOU ALL JUST RATE RISE? SORRY.
WHO ELSE DID BONNIE? YOU WERE HITTING BONNIE.
I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE THINGS.
UH, OF COURSE, UH, WE'RE EXCITED THAT, UH, THIS YEAR, THE JULY 4TH FIREWORKS, UH, LIKE WE'VE KNOWN IN THE PAST IS SCHEDULED TO TAKE PLACE ON SUNDAY, JULY 4TH, 9:00 PM AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX, UH,
[VI. Chair's CommentsAgenda Board of Supervisors June 1, 2021]
CITIZENS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND FOLKS THAT COME OUT ARE INVITED TO PARK AND WATCH THE DISPLAY FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, BUILDING GUCCI IN ELEMENTARY, THE MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL COMPLEX AREA.UM, PARKING'S GOING TO OPEN AT 7:00 PM AND THE RAIN DATE IS THE NEXT DAY, JULY 5TH.
AND I TALKED ABOUT TUCKER PARK.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE IN THE WAY OF ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, MR. YOUNG AND ANY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR COUNTY.
UH, WE HELD OUR LAST SCHEDULED COVID VACCINATION CLINIC LAST THURSDAY, MAY THE 27TH.
I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR PARKS AND RECREATION GENERAL SERVICES AND FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENTS FOR STEPPING UP AND MEETING THE CHALLENGE OF PUTTING TOGETHER A STRATEGY WITH THE CHICKEN HOMINY HEALTH DISTRICT.
THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL IN REACHING ALL THE RESIDENTS OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY THAT DESIRED A VACCINE REQUIRED, UH, PARTNERING WITH GOOCHLAND CARES, NAACP BAPTIST MINISTER'S CONFERENCE OF GOOCHLAND AND VICINITY JERUSALEM BAPTIST CHURCH GOOCHLAND, CHRISTIAN ASSOCIATION, GOOCHLAND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, GOOCHLAND PHARMACY DAWSON'S PHARMACY, VIRGINIA MEDICAL RESERVE CORPS, HENRICO, AND CHICKAHOMINY MEDICAL RESERVE CORPS.
THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY VOLUNTEER FIRE AND RESCUE ASSOCIATION
[VII. County Administrator's Comments]
MEMBERS, OUR OWN COUNTY EMPLOYEES WHO DONATED THEIR TIME.ALL OF THIS ENABLED US TO ADMIT HER DISTURB 3,674 DOSES JUST AT OUR CLINICS ALONE.
AS OF TODAY, UH, GOOCHLAND COUNTY, UH, RESIDENTS HAVE RECEIVED ABOUT 25,775 DOSES TOTAL.
UM, PEOPLE WITH AT LEAST ONE DOSE IS 14,480.
UH, PEOPLE FULLY VACCINATED AS 12,616.
UM, THE PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION WITH AT LEAST ONE.
UH, THAT PUTS US IN ABOUT THIRD
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OVERALL OUT OF ALL THE JURISDICTIONS WITHIN THE COMMONWEALTH AND OUR PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION FULLY VACCINATED AT 53.1% PUTS US AS, UH, AS OF TODAY, UH, STILL THE LEADER IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.SO A GREAT EFFORT GOES OUT TO EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THAT EFFORT ACROSS THE COUNTY.
UM, ANYBODY IS STILL LOOKING TO, UH, RECEIVE A VACCINE.
YOU CAN STILL GO ONLINE@VACCINES.GOV AND@VACCINATEDOTVIRGINIA.GOV.
YOU CAN ALSO TELEPHONE US HERE AT, UH, EIGHT SEVEN SEVEN EIGHT TWO NINE FOUR SIX EIGHT TO, UH, TO SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT IF YOU NEED.
UM, AS FAR AS OUR BOARD MEETINGS, WE ALSO JUST WANT TO MAKE THE CITIZENS AWARE THAT STARTING WITH OUR JULY BOARD MEETING, WE WILL NO LONGER BROADCAST THE BOARD MEETING VIA ZOOM.
UH, CITIZENS WILL STILL BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THE BOARD MEETING VR, SWAG IT APPLICATION, AND CITIZENS CAN ATTEND A MEETING IN PERSON AND, AND SPEAK AS WELL.
AND THEY CAN ALSO CONTINUE TO EMAIL THEIR BOARD MEMBERS AND THEY CAN ALSO UTILIZE THE EMAIL@BOSCOMMENTATGOOCHLANDVA.US.
AND THEY CAN ALSO CALL US AT OUR, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE AT (804) 556-5811.
BOARD, UM, NOW TO FINALIZE THE AGENDA, ARE THERE ANY REQUESTS TO POSTPONE ANY AGENDA ITEMS? IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS OR CHANGES IN THE ORDER
[VIII. Requests to Postpone Agenda Items and Additions, Deletions or Changes in the]
OF PRESENTATION, WHICH WAS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK CARE OF THAT BEFORE WE GOT TO THE PART WHERE WE SUPPOSED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.UM, SO WE HAVE AN AGENDA AND WE WILL MOVE RIGHT THEN INTO THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD
[IX. Citizen Comment]
ON MATTERS, GERMANE AND RELEVANT TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY.UH, PLEASE COME FORWARD, UH, LIMIT YOUR REMARKS PLEASE, TO THREE MINUTES AFTER INTRODUCING YOURSELF, THE LIGHT WILL TURN YELLOW WHEN YOU'VE BEEN AT ONE MINUTE LEFT AND THEN RED WHEN YOUR TIME'S UP.
AND, UH, IT FOLKS MR. BUZZER, Y'ALL LET ME KNOW IF PEOPLE ONLINE ARE RAISING THEIR HAND AND MR. WOW, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, JONATHAN LAU, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD, MONICA SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT DIRECTOR.
UM, SOMEBODY HAVE NOTICED THAT I OCCASIONALLY COME TO THE BOARD MEETINGS AND, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, UTILIZE THE THREE MINUTES, THREE MINUTES OF CITIZENS COMMENT.
SO WHEN I CAME IN TODAY, THERE WAS AN, I USUALLY SIT BACK IN THE BACK WHERE THERE'S A WALL SOCKET, SO I CAN PLUG IN.
AND SO WHEN I GOT THERE TODAY, I FOUND AN ENVELOPE ON MY SEAT, UH, ADDRESSED TO ME.
AND WHEN I OPENED IT, I WASN'T SURE IF I WAS BEING RECOGNIZED, UH, FOR MY TOURISM ADVOCACY OR FOR MY EFFORTS TO KEEP GOOCHLAND PASTORAL OR RURAL, OR IF SOMEONE'S SENDING ME ANOTHER KIND OF MESSAGE.
BECAUSE WHEN I OPENED IT, THERE WAS A STICKER, KEEP VIRGINIA BEAUTIFUL, RANDY, I'LL LET YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT, BUT THEN IT WAS ADDED AND UNDERNEATH IT SAID, KEEP WEARING YOUR MASK.
SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE MESSAGE IS HERE, WHETHER THEY'RE INTERESTED IN KEEPING VIRGINIA BEAUTIFUL AND ME WEARING MY MASK AND JUST TO BE A SPOILER ALERT.
I WELL-RECOGNIZED, I HAVE A FACE MADE FOR RADIO AND A VOICE MADE FOR NEWSPRINT.
SO, UH, THIS IS NOT NEWS TO ME, BUT, UH, MAYBE THEY JUST WANT TO KEEP ME SAFE, BUT OUT OF SPITE, I'M NOT GOING TO WEAR A MASK AND I'M GONNA SHARE SOME INFORMATION ON THE MONICA AND SWOLLEN WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
UH, MS. LAST LED SAID ON OCCASION MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, THAT WHAT KEEPS HER AWAKE AT NIGHT IS UNFUNDED MANDATES COMING FROM WASHINGTON AND RICHMOND, UH, WE GUESS GOT OUR, UM, WORKING AGREEMENT FROM DCR FOR 2122.
AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE SEEM TO HAVE GOTTEN A 70% INCREASE IN THE COST, SHARE FUNDING FOR THE MONICA DISTRICT, THIS COMING YEAR.
NOW THAT IS A GOOD, BAD PROBLEM.
IT'S A GOOD PROBLEM BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO AS MUCH CONSERVATION AS WE CAN.
AND I'M HOPING THAT THE COUNTY WILL WORK WITH US IN IDENTIFYING THOSE LANDOWNERS AND THOSE PRODUCERS WHO CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE FUNDS.
SO MR. WORLEY HAS ALREADY STEPPED UP AS HAS, UH, THE COUNTY ASSESSOR AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED A ONE, A TWO AND LAND USE, UH, PRODUCERS, BUT BE AWARE, COME JULY 1ST.
WE WILL HAVE AN INCREASE IN FUNDING FROM THE STATE, NOT UNFUNDED MANDATES TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO COLLABORATE WITH STAFF THAT WILL HELP US GET MORE CONSERVATION ON THE GROUND IN THE COUNTY
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BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING, 70% INCREASE.SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO BE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR WITH, OR WITHOUT A MASK.
SO I WILL, UH, SIT DOWN BEFORE THE RED LIGHT GOES OFF.
IF, IF WE WOULD COME BACK TO THE ROOM, IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, MS. MOORE, IF YOU COULD, UH, UNMUTE YOURSELF NOW.
MISS MAURICE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK.
CAN HEAR ME NOW? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, YES, YES WE CAN.
UM, UH, MY ADDRESS IS 2164 PROFIT ROAD MANNEQUIN SABOT I'M IN DISTRICT FOUR.
I HAVE TO MEET BY THIS WAY, BUT IT'S STILL NOT HEALTHY FOR ME TO COME OUT.
UM, I, MY CONCERNS IS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE PRESENTED, UM, BY MY, TO MY COMMUNITY BACK IN 2019, OVERTAKE A WHOLE BRIDGE THAT ON THAT DAY, UH, AT THAT TIME, UM, WE WERE, WE WERE GIVEN A CHANCE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP CALL UNDERSTANDING PLANNING, AND A REZONING PROCESS.
UM, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WELL WITH, UM, WITH TUCKAHOE BRIDGE TO, UM, STAY WITHIN THE COMP PLAN.
UM, I'M CONCERNED RIGHT NOW THAT ON THURSDAY, THERE'S ANOTHER, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT IS OUTSIDE THE COMP PLAN.
I JUST, I'M SORRY, BUT I AM A COMP PLAN PERSON.
I AM NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT IS, IT IS IN GOOCHLAND BEST INTEREST TO STICK TO THE COMP PLAN, PLEASE.
UM, UH, BACK WHEN I GOT STICKERS THAT EVERYBODY WORE BACK IN 2019, IT SAYS PROTECT AND PRESERVE GOOCHLAND COUNTIES, 2035 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IF IT, IF IT GOES AGAINST THE COMP PLAN, WE REALLY CAN'T AFFORD IT.
UM, I, LIKE I SAID, MY THREE MONTHS OF PROBABLY CLOSE TO BEING UP, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE, THE CITIZENS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD CANNOT, UH, APPROVE OF THE NEW, UM, SCOTT GAZER, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF 137 HOMES.
UM, WHEN IT'S LOW DENSITY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WILL YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WHEN YOU CAN BE WITH US IN PERSON, ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE, NOBODY ELSE, ANYBODY IN THE ROOM WISH TO SPEAK TO US.
WE'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, AND MOVE ON WITH THE AGENDA.
UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES BOARD MEMBERS.
WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 6TH AND APRIL 20TH, UH, BEFORE US FOR APPROVAL.
UM, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UM, MR. MR. CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I GUESS NOT, UH, I MOVE APPROVAL OF OUR APRIL 6TH AND APRIL, 2021.
[X. Approval of Minutes]
REGULAR BOARD MEETINGS MINUTES.THIS LAST QUESTION, MR. PETERSON, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AND SO WE'LL NOW MOVE RIGHT ON INTO REPORTS AND I SEE MR. WYNN IS BACK WITH US.
[XI. Reports]
TO SEE YA.MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. YOUNG, HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING THIS AFTERNOON? GLAD TO BE MASCULINE.
I HAVE TO SAY, UH, THIS PAST MONTH WE'VE HAD, UH, WE HAD 97
[1. 4036: VDOT - May 2021]
WORK ORDERS.WE COMPLETED 93, HAD SEVEN AFTER HOURS CALLS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
UH, CREWS ARE WORKING ON PRIMARY MO AND SECONDARY MODE.
THERE'S ONE SECTION OF PRIMARY MODE THAT HADN'T BEEN COMPLETED
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YET.THAT'S THE TWO LANES SECTION BETWEEN FIVE 22 AND THE FOUR LANE SECTION.
AND THAT CREWS WORKING ON THAT TODAY.
UH, SOON AS THEY FINISH, THEY'LL GO BACK, GO INTO THE SECONDARIES AND EVERYTHING.
UM, WE'RE DOING NORMAL MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY POTHOLE PATCHING, UH, CUTTING BACK FOR SIGHT DISTANCE AND THAT SORT OF THING.
WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SPEED STUDIES ON THE WAY OAKLAND, UH, OAKLAND CHURCH, SEVEN OH ONE, UH, MR. CREASEY GOT WITH ME ABOUT THAT T E BUT TRAFFIC ENGINEERING IS LOOKING INTO THAT.
THERE WAS NO SPEED LIMIT ON IT.
AND WE'RE WORKING WITH BETWEEN LOUISA AND RICHMOND DISTRICT TO GET THAT SPEED LIMIT, UH, ADVISORY PUT UP WHAT THAT ENDED UP BEING, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, THERE WAS A SPEED STUDY DONE ON FIVE 22, MR. SPOON HOUSER.
I'M NOT SO SURE THAT'S THE SECTION YOU WERE LOOKING AT, BUT AS PART OF IT ANYWAY, SO THAT THAT SPEED LIMITS COULD BE REDUCED FROM 55 TO 50 IN THAT QUARTER.
UM, ELK HILL, UH, SIX OH EIGHT, THERE WAS A SAFETY STUDY DONE ON THERE.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO PUT SOME ADVISORY SIGNAGE ON THAT ROAD, NO PARTICULAR SPEED LIMIT ITSELF, BUT ITS CURVE WARNING SIGNS, UH, THAT SORT OF THING IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING OF INTEREST I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE BRIDGE WORK ON 64, UH, CONTRACT IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON FIVE 22 AND THEY HAVE, UH, SOME MORE EXTENSIVE WORK TO DO ON FIVE 22.
SO THEY WILL NOT BE WORKING NEAR OLD FREDERICKSBURG FOR THE, UH, UPCOMING, UH, GRADUATION CEREMONY.
UH, THAT'LL BE LATER ON IN JUNE, THEY TELL ME THAT, UH, THE CM TOLD ME TODAY THAT THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T START THAT PROJECT UNTIL LATE JUNE.
SO SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T AFFECT GRADUATION AT ALL.
WE ARE PLANNING ON, UH, ONCE THEY DO GET TO OLDER, FREDICKSBURG, WE'RE PLANNING ON SETTING UP SOME MESSAGE BOARDS OURSELVES, SO PEOPLE CAN GET TO THE DRIVE IN, UH, DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN CONSTRUCTION'S ON.
OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
NOT UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE, UH, SOME QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING.
QUESTIONS, MORE NUMBERS? UH, MS. LAST CLIENT? YES.
UH, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK WITH DR.
REILEY ON THE, UH, GRADUATION.
I KNOW SOME FOLKS ARE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY MOVING IN.
SO IF THEY DON'T HOLD THE PROJECT UP WITHOUT TALKING TO DR.
RALEY'S WEBSITE, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE JUNE 7TH, RIGHT? NO, BUT MAYBE NOT AT THAT LOCATION.
MAYBE I DON'T WANNA SPEAK OUT OF TURN HERE.
UM, AND THEN DID YOU LOOK AT, UH, WHITE HALL ROAD? NO, NOT YET.
I NEED TO, WE NEED TO GET A DATE WHERE WE CAN ALL WRITE IT OURSELVES.
I DID CALL MR. SPOON HOUR A WEEK OR TWO AGO, AND HE WAS BUSY TODAY.
I CALL, SO WE'VE GOT TO FIND A PERFECT TIME FOR Y'ALL MIKE SANDY HOOK TO A PROBABLY CHAPEL HILL, RIGHT.
I'VE TRIED TO WORK WITH BOTH OF Y'ALL ON A DATE.
IT'S JUST THESE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A QUICK ONE.
IT'S IN DISTRICT FOUR OR FIVE.
UM, AND I'VE TALKED TO MR. SHARP, MR. PETERSON ABOUT IT BRIEFLY, BUT A PERSON THAT LIVES OVER NEAR THERE CALL ME A FEW WEEKS AGO AND JUST ASK IF WE'VE EVER LOOKED AT THE SPEED ALONG HOCKETT ROAD, REALLY BELOW TUCKAHOE CREEK PARKWAY, WHERE THERE'S MORE TURNS.
AND I KNOW THERE'S, I'VE HEARD THIS NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK YOU ALL TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS A SPEED STUDY.
YOU REMEMBER A SPEED STUDY AT ONE TIME WAS DONE IN THAT AREA, MAYBE NORTH, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT? IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS NORTH OF THAT AREA, RIGHT? WHERE IT TACO CREEK PARKWAY IS, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO THE WHERE IT GOES DOWN THE HILL AROUND THE CURVE.
I KNOW THERE'S A PROJECT COMING UP THERE WHERE THEY GO LINE.
UH, SOME PIPES IN THAT BOTTOM, I THINK IS FOR THREE OR FOUR PIPES IN THERE THAT THEY GO, UH, PUT A STEEL LINER THROUGH, THROUGH, WELL, THIS, THIS PERSON JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE, WHEN HE GOES WITH HIS WIFE AND HIS YOUNG DAUGHTER, THEY'RE ALWAYS LIKE, SLOW DOWN, SLOW DOWN.
YOU CAN'T PUT THE SPEED LIMIT HERE.
UM, AND THEY SAID THEY SEEN SOME CLOSE CALLS AND THEY SAID, IF A CYCLIST AND TWO VEHICLES ARE GOING ALONG AND I'VE BEEN BY THERE OF COURSE, SEVERAL TIMES.
BUT WHEN HE WAS TALKING TO ME, I LOOKED AT IT'S BELOW.
I THINK IT'S BELOW SOUTH OF DELAWARE.
SOUTH OF TACOMA CREEK PARKWAY ON THE WAY TALKING ABOUT, YEAH, IF YOU HAVE ANY MEMORY OF IT, I'M DONE ASKING FOR ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR.
I THINK WE SAID IT'S BEEN, IT'S
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BEEN LOOKED AT IN THE PAST AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE GROWTH THERE IF THERE'S THINGS COMING IN.AND THE OTHER COMMENT OF HER WHEN I STARTED ASKING AROUND WAS PEOPLE DO TEND TO ROLL OUT OF TUCKER CREEK PARKWAY AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO THAT STOP SIGN AND THEY ROLL ON THE CROSS.
SO WE'LL STOP SIGN IS TREATED AS A SUGGESTION.
BUT YEAH, WE CAN LOOK THAT W W WE'LL GO TO THE RALPH AND LOOK WHEN THE LAST US STUDY WAS DONE, THE HISTORY ON THAT, IF WE KNOW.
[2. 4022: Fire-Rescue 06.01.21]
AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD COUNTY STAFF, UH, EDDIE FERGUSON FIRE RESCUE CHIEF.UH, OF COURSE I PROVIDED A REPORT IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING IT.
A FEW HIGHLIGHTS JUST TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD, UH, NATIONAL EMS WEEK EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES WEEK WAS HELD MAY 16TH THROUGH THE 22ND.
UH, THIS, UH, WEEK IS A NATIONWIDE RECOGNITION WEEK OF THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES SYSTEMS. IT INCLUDES EVERYTHING FROM DIALING NINE ONE ONE TO ER, EMERGENCY MEDICAL DISPATCHERS TO THE RESPONSE FIRST RESPONDERS, AS WELL AS, UH, FIRE AND EMS PERSONNEL, UH, ARRIVING ON THE AMBULANCE AND GETTING THE PATIENT INTO THE HOSPITAL SYSTEM.
OF COURSE, UH, NO EMS SYSTEM CAN OPERATE WITHOUT AN OPERATIONAL MEDICAL DIRECTOR.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF OVERSIGHT TO EMS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UH, WE CELEBRATED EMS WEEK AND THERE WERE SEVERAL EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
AND SEVERAL OF YOU ATTENDED THOSE.
AND WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATED THAT.
I HAD MENTIONED THAT THE LAST TIME WE REPORTED OUT IN APRIL THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO SEE AN INCREASE IN CALL ACTIVITY.
AND I THINK MR. SPOON HOWARD INDICATED THEY WOULD BE INTERESTING TO LOOK BACK BEYOND 2020, MAYBE TO 2019.
AND SO WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, UM, I RAN SOME YEAR TO DATE TOTALS, UH, JUST PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT, UM, AS FAR AS A YEAR TO DATE TOTAL COMPARED, UH, THIS PARTICULAR YEAR TO 2020, WE'RE ABOUT A 23% 23.8% INCREASE OVER WHAT WE WERE DOING THEN.
BUT IF YOU LOOK BACK A LITTLE FURTHER INTO 2019 WAS SOMETHING LOOKED A LITTLE MORE NORMAL.
UM, IT'S ABOUT, UH, WE'RE ABOUT 16.2% OVER WHERE WE WERE THEN.
SO WE ARE ONLINE FOR A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN CALLS AND THAT I DON'T THINK THAT'S SURPRISING TO ANY OF US, UH, CONSIDERING, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE OCCURRING AS WELL AS THE OFFICES AND BUSINESS PARKS, UH, STARTING TO REOCCUPIED IN THE COUNTY.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT TO HAVE THE, THE FUNDING NECESSARY TO ALL THAT ACTIVITY.
THIS TIME OF YEAR, WE ALWAYS MENTIONED, UH, WATER SAFETY.
IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR WHEN WE HAVE A LOT OF RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY, UH, ON THE JAMES RIVER.
AND WE JUST WANT TO CALL EVERYONE'S ATTENTION TO THE FLOAT TIMES AND TRAVEL DISTANCES BETWEEN POINTS ON THE JAMES RIVER.
UH, THAT INFORMATION IS FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE.
UH, YOU COULD CALL FIRE RESCUE ADMINISTRATION.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO COVER IT WITH YOU, BUT IT TAKES, UM, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME TO GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B IN SOME SITUATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BIG ONE THAT'S ALWAYS UNDERESTIMATED IS BETWEEN WEST VIEW ON THE JAMES DOWN TO MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A 12 HOUR FLOAT IF YOU'RE USING INNER TUBES.
AND IF YOU PUT IN A TOO LATE IN THE DAY, IT'S GOING TO GET DARK OUT THERE WHILE YOU'RE THERE, OR YOU GET SUNBURNED.
AND EVEN A CANOE WOULD, WOULD TAKE AS MUCH AS EIGHT TO NINE HOURS TO GO THAT DISTANCE.
AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE, THE BIG CURVE IN THE RIVER.
THAT'S NOT SEEN BY TRAVELING THE STRAIGHT LINE OF ROUTE SIX.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
THERE ARE WATER RESCUE CREWS HAVE BEEN BUSY ON THE RIVER.
UH, WE'VE UH, CONDUCTED A LOT OF TRAINING THUS FAR THIS YEAR, JUST A BOAT OPERATIONS AND FAMILIARIZATION OF THE RIVER AND SO FORTH.
AND WE'RE EXPECTING OF A BUSY SEASON OUT THERE.
FIRE RESCUE APPRECIATES THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE VACCINATION CLINICS.
IT WAS QUITE AN HONOR, UH, THAT WAS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD EFFORT.
AND WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF WHAT EVERYONE WAS ABLE TO DO WORKING TOGETHER, UH, AS A TEAM, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, DEPUTY EMERGENCY COORDINATOR, ROBIN HILLMAN AND, UH, RANDY BUZZARD HAVE POSTED THE NEW EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN ON THE WEBSITE THAT, THAT WAS APPROVED IN APRIL.
SO THAT HAS BEEN, UH, UPDATED ONCE TO REFLECT A NEW POSITION NAMES AND SOME OTHER MINOR HOUSEKEEPING THINGS THAT WAS POINTED OUT DURING THE ADOPTION, AND YET CAN BE FOUND ON THE, UH, THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
I WOULDN'T CARE TO EVERYONE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
SPEAKING OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, THE 2021 HURRICANE SEASON OFFICIALLY BEGINS TODAY AND IT RUNS THROUGH THE NOVEMBER, THE 30TH.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS EMPHASIZE IS PLAN NOW HAVE YOUR EMERGENCY KIT, UH, AHEAD OF TIME, YOU SHOULD HAVE A THREE-DAY SUPPLY OF WATER AND OTHER ITEMS TO SUSTAIN IN THE EVENT OF SOME TYPE OF TROPICAL WEATHER SYSTEM, OR FOR THAT MATTER, ANY EMERGENCY THAT COULD OCCUR IN THE AREA.
I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT OUR NEW, A TANKER, A NEW FIRE TANKER AND SIGNED A COMPANY FIVE IS IN SERVICE.
AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU WHO ATTENDED THESE, THIS CEREMONY LAST WEEK,
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WHERE WE ATTEMPTED TO PUSH IT IN, BUT IT WAS A VERY LARGE AND HEAVY PIECE OF FIRE APPARATUS.UH, AS I'VE SAID, PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE BACKUP ALARM THAT YOU COULD HEAR SOUNDED, UH, BUT WE DID USHER IT IN, UH, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN THE WEE HOURS OF THIS MORNING, WE HAD A TRUCK FIRE ON INTERSTATE 64, AND THAT TANKER MADE ITS FIRST RUN AND BROUGHT, UH, 2,500 GALLONS OF WATER TO THE FIRE SCENE AND RESUPPLIED SEVERAL OTHER PIECES OF FIRE APPARATUS THAT HAD RUN LOW ON WATER.
LET'S SEE THE LADDER TRUCK IS PROGRESSING QUITE NICELY.
UH, WE'RE GETTING PICTURES ON IT ALMOST WEEKLY.
NOW IT LOOKS LIKE A FIRE ENGINE AND IT'S A IT'S TOGETHER.
AND WE WERE TOLD THAT POSSIBLY THE SECOND WEEKEND AUGUST WOULD BE READY FOR FINAL INSPECTION.
AND BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING, UNLESS THEY RUN INTO SOME SIMILAR ISSUES WITH COMPUTER CHIPS AND OTHER THINGS THAT IT'S AFFECTING THEIR AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY, THEN I WOULD THINK MAYBE IT MIGHT EVEN BE READY A WEEK OR TWO SOONER THAN THAT.
SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT OUR HIRING PROCESS IS WELL UNDERWAY.
WE, UH, WE CONDUCTED, UH, A POSTING OF THE JOB THANKS TO, UH, MRS. JESSICA RICE.
AND WE COLLECTED, UH, 39 APPLICATIONS, 35 OF WHOM WERE ELIGIBLE TO, UH, TO COME TEST.
AND WE INTERVIEWED 19 PEOPLE FOR A POTENTIAL OF SEVEN POSITIONS, UH, COMING AVAILABLE IN
UH, WE'LL TELL YOU THAT, UM, THOSE NUMBERS ARE QUITE LOWER THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN PREVIOUS HIRING PROCESSES.
WE TYPICALLY WILL ALWAYS HAVE AS MANY AS 60 OR 75.
AND WE'RE HEARING THIS ACROSS THE ENTIRE REGION THAT, UH, THERE JUST ISN'T THAT TYPE OF TURNOUT FOR THESE POSITIONS LIKE WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
AND THEN OF COURSE, OF ALL OF THE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED ACROSS THE METRO RICHMOND REGION, UH, THAT ALSO PLAYS INTO IT AS WELL.
SO, UM, JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE POSITIONS FILLED SO WE CAN INCREASE IN UP STAFF, UH, THE FIRE STATIONS, AS, AS WE'VE PROMISED, CHIEF WATKINS AND MYSELF HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THE VIRGINIA FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATIONS, STATE CHIEF SUMMIT.
IT WAS HELD IN GLEN ALLEN BACK IN MAY, AND IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN THE ROOM WITH OTHER FIRE CHIEFS FROM AROUND THE COMMONWEALTH AND HEAR THEIR SUCCESSES AS WELL AS THEIR CHALLENGES.
AND MANY OF THEM ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE FACE HERE.
SO IT WAS A GOOD, GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
THE VOLUNTEER FIRE RESCUE ASSOCIATION, UH, IS, UH, SCHEDULED TO HAVE THEIR PICNIC THIS WEEKEND, THIS SATURDAY, AND WE HOPE YOU ALL WILL BE ABLE TO ATTEND.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
UH, CERTAINLY, UH, UH, A GREAT COMPROMISE TO, UH, UH, A TIME THAT'S DIFFERENT WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR ANNUAL DINNER MEETING THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE.
THEY'VE ALSO KICKED OFF A 70TH ANNIVERSARY, UH, COMMITTED COMMEMORATIVE ALBUM PROJECT.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE A YEARBOOK, UH, IT'LL COVER THE, BOTH THE PAST AND THE PRESIDENT OF OUR ORGANIZATION AS A 70 70TH ANNIVERSARY MILESTONE.
AND THAT PROCESS PROCESSES GETTING STARTED.
WE'RE STARTING TO TAKE PHOTOS AND COLLECT INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD SEE IN THE BOOK.
AND CERTAINLY, UH, JUST LIKE TO RECOGNIZE ALL OUR MEMBERS FOR WHAT THEY DO ON A DAILY BASIS.
UH, BOTH OUR VOLUNTEER MEMBERS AND OUR CAREER MEMBERS, THEY ALL WORK HARD ON THE SAME TEAM TO DELIVER THE BEST SERVICE POSSIBLE TO THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.
AND WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT, AND IF THERE'S ANY, UH, THING THAT WE COULD ANSWER OR QUESTION, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO DO THAT FOR YOU.
THANK YOU, CHIEF AND THE BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR FIRE RESCUE.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE FIRE TANKER.
THAT WAS THANK YOU FOR INVITING US TO THAT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS A FUN EVENT, BUT I THINK THAT TRADITION OF PUSHING IN AND EQUIPMENT THAT GOES BACK TO DAYS WHEN EQUIPMENT WAS A LITTLE SMALLER, YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
AND AS CHIEF DADDY SAID, IT WAS, IT DATES ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHEN IT WAS HAND-DRAWN FIRE APPARATUS.
AND THEN LATER HOLD A STRONG FIRE APPARATUS, AND CERTAINLY I'M PUSHING UP THE HILL, DOESN'T HELP EITHER.
SO THAT WOULD BE, I LOOKED HARD TO LOOK TOO HARD TO PUSH DOWN THE AISLE, UH, BUT WE ALWAYS LIKE A CHALLENGE AND WE'VE MADE IT, WE'VE JUST BASICALLY MODIFIED WHAT WE DID.
SO, SO LET US, LET US KNOW IF THE BOARD CAN SUPPORT YOU IN ANY WAY.
UM, WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, THE 20 YEAR OLD TANKER THAT I GUESS IS GOING TO BE RETIRED.
WE CAN SORT OF WORK, UH, HEY FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WORKING SOMETHING OUT.
AND, UM, THE, WE DO HAVE ONE OF OUR 20 YEAR OLD TANKERS THAT WILL BE, UH, DECOMMISSIONING AND MOVING OUT OF THE FLEET.
UM, TODAY I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY ONE OF THE VOLUNTEER COMPANIES, VERY INDEPENDENT VOLUNTEER COMPANY IN KING AND QUEEN COUNTY WHO HAD EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST IN THAT THEY RAISE A LOT OF THEIR OWN MONEY AND THEY LOOK AROUND AND THEY SEE WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IS, IS AVAILABLE.
AND SO THEY HAD EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST, UH, AND JUST SO HAPPENS THAT ONE OF THEIR MEMBERS IS ALSO ONE OF OUR LIFETIME MEMBERS AND PREVIOUS MEMBERS, UH, SON, THAT THEY'RE ACCOMPANY FOR.
SO HE KNEW THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO GET RID OF A TANKER.
AND SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF LOOKING AT OUR DATA, THE MAINTENANCE COSTS, AS WELL AS, UH, PUMP TESTING RESULTS TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION ON WHICH ONE OF THE SIX TO MOVE, TO MOVE OUT OF THE FLEET.
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ONCE WE KNOW MORE, I'LL LET YOU KNOW.NO, I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE COST OF THESE THINGS AND LOOK AROUND THE STATE AND YOU SEE WHAT BUDGETS AT SOME OF THESE FOLKS ARE OPERATING.
WE ARE BLESSED HERE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY TO HAVE THE TYPE OF SUPPORT FROM THE BOARD AND OUR CITIZENS TO HAVE WHAT WE HAVE.
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MONTH'S REPORT FOR NEW NEW COUNTY STAFF THAT JOINED US DURING THE MONTH OF MAY.WE HAVE THREE, UM, ALL THREE OF THEM ARE PART-TIME.
WE HAVE A COURT DEPUTY, UM, IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
WHO'S PART-TIME THAT IS MISS BRIANNA GRIM.
AND THEN WE DID HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS START OVER AT THE COMEDIAN CENTER AS PART-TIME ATTENDANCE.
AND THOSE WERE DUE TO SOME RESIGNATIONS THAT HAPPENED.
UM, HENRY CLEMENS STARTED ON MAY 3RD AND DORIS MAGBEE MOSS BEGAN ON MAY 5TH AT THE COMMAND CENTER.
WE DO ALSO HAVE AN, AN INTERN HERE.
UM, WHO'S JOINED US FOR THE SUMMER AND, UH, TODAY'S HER FIRST DAY.
SO ANYWAY, SHE'S, SHE'S HERE FOR THE SUMMER AND SHE'S WORKING WITH OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, UM, AND GETTING SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THEM AS WELL.
WHAT'S HER NAME? JESSICA AGREEMENT.
WE'RE TO THE NEXT ONE IS MORE OF AN INFORMATION ITEM, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.
THAT REPORT IS IN YOUR PACKET.
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IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, THAT IS ON PAGE PACKET, PAGE 75, I THINK LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING'S HAPPENING AND DISTRICT ONE, THIS LAST ONE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF PAGES.IT JUST STARTS WITH ONE, BUT YOU HAVE A LOT GOING ON.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ON THAT, WE WILL, UH, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ITEM.
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MR. SPANN HOUR.WE'LL BE, UH, HOLDING ELECTIONS NEXT MONTH.
UM, SO WITH THAT EXCITED ABOUT THAT, WE PASS PASSING THE GAVEL.
UM, CBTA WE HAD AN INTERESTING MEETING ON FRIDAY FOR THOSE OF THE UNR CBTS AND CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, WHICH TAKES A GAS TAX AND SALES TAX THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED.
AND A LOT OF EFFORT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHAT TO DO WITH THE, UH, TAXES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO GO TO A REGIONAL FUNDS.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATION, AS YOU, AS I THINK MOST OF YOU SAW WAS TO, UH, UM, KEEP THE SAME LEADERSHIP, UH, AS WE HAD LAST YEAR, UM, THAT THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT AS WITH MANY THINGS, WE'RE SEEING, UH, THE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF REPRESENTATION FOR THE, THE SMALLER LOCALITIES.
SO EVERY POSITION IS HELD BY ONE OF THE LARGER, UH, LOCALITIES.
WE'RE SEEING THINGS COME FROM TAC, UH, THAT ARE PUTTING MINIMUMS IN PLACE FOR US TO BE EVEN ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR THE REGIONAL, UH, FUNDING WHILE WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.
IT JUST SEEMS THAT THE, UH, IT'S PROVING MORE AND MORE, UH, DIFFICULT.
UH, WE SHOULD BE GETTING THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT FOR US TO VOTE ON NEXT MONTH.
UM, AND I WOULD ASK THAT EACH OF US TAKE A LOOK AT IT BECAUSE YOU WILL SEE IN THERE, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS SUCH AS THE, UH, MINIMUM HURDLES FIRST EVEN SUBMIT FOR A REGIONAL PROJECT.
UM, ONE THAT CAME UP THAT I THOUGHT WAS VERY INTERESTING AND IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S A THEME FROM THIS PAST WEEK MEETING, IS THAT, UM, TO QUALIFY FOR REGIONAL PROJECT, YOU WILL HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU CAN ALREADY PAY FOR THE REGIONAL PROJECT, UM, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS VERY INTERESTING.
UM, THEN AFTER, AFTER THAT WAS SPOKEN ABOUT THE CHAIR MADE A VERY INTERESTING MOVE AND PUT A MOTION THAT, UH, TO ASK FOR THE AUTHORITY TO SEND, UH, VIETA A LETTER COMMITTING SAYING THAT THE CBTA WOULD USE THE FUNDS, UH, THIS YEAR FOR THE FALL LINE TRAIL.
SO ALL OF THE COMMITTEE WAS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT ALL OF THE, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE BY ATTACK TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PRIORITIZATION PROCESS FOR PROJECTS.
HOWEVER, THAT'S APPEARING NOT TO BE THE CASE FOR THIS FIRST YEAR.
THE PROPOSALS THAT THE LOCALITIES THAT WILL BENEFIT FROM THE FALL LINE TRAIL WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.
AND THE FOUR LOCALITIES, ONE OF WHICH GOOCHLAND IS, WHICH IS ONE OF THEIR 35%, UM, MAY ACTUALLY COME BACK TO US THIS YEAR.
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SO THAT IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.SO THERE'LL BE MORE TO COME ON THAT ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION, UM, THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE ASKED, UH, THE BOARD TO CONSIDER HOW IT WANTS TO FUND THESE PROJECTS.
THE THINKING IS THAT THIS REGIONAL AUTHORITY WAS PUT IN PLACE TO DO LARGE PROJECTS, SUCH AS YOU SEE DOWN IN HAMPTON ROADS IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, AND THAT A PAY AS YOU GO MODEL LIKE MEANING WE WOULD COLLECT THE TAXES AND THEN SPEND THOSE TAXES, UH, FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS MAY NOT BE WHAT THE GROUP WANTS TO DO, BUT THAT WE WOULD IN FACT, UH, DO MORE OF A BOND ISSUANCE TO DO MUCH LARGER PROJECTS.
THE QUESTION I HAVE TO THE COMMITTEE WAS TO UNDERSTAND HOW WOULD THIS, WOULD THERE BE ANY IMPACTS TO OUR BOND RATING? IF WE GET CAUGHT UP IN A REGIONAL PROJECT, LET'S SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMITS MILLIONS, IF NOT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND THEN FAILS, HOW, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT US LOCALLY? SO WE'LL BE, UH, LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS, UH, VERY CLOSELY.
SO WE'D LOVE SUPPORT FROM FOLKS THAT UNDERSTAND THINGS LIKE BONDS.
I'M LOOKING AT MR. PETERSON, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, I HAVE ASKED THAT WE ADD SOME OF THESE CONCERNS TO OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.
UH, AGAIN, IT IS APPEARING THAT THIS REGIONAL COOPERATION IS NOT AS COOPERATIVE AS, AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE.
NO, IT'S, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE LOOKING TO US FOR SUPPORT, BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT WE DEFINITELY SHOULD LOOK AT.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE ADDRESSING THOSE THINGS.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT, IT PROBABLY A LOT OF IT.
I MEAN, I'M PAYING ATTENTION TO SOME OF IT GOES OVER MY HEAD ALMOST, BUT, BUT, UH, I THINK WE WANT THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK THE REASON YOU'RE SPEAKING HERE IS TO INFORM US, BUT ALSO I THINK OBVIOUSLY TO THE COMMUNITY, THIS THING WAS SOLD AWHILE BACK.
MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE BEST CHOICE OF WORDS, BUT, BUT IT WAS PRESENTED AS A, TO CREATE REGIONAL COOPERATION.
AND I THINK YOU WRAPPED UP SAYING MAYBE NOT SO MUCH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE, I THINK, WANT TO FOCUS ON.
AND, AND, AND YOU, A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU SAID FALL LINE PROJECT, OR THAT'S, THAT'S A PATH FROM ASHLAND TO PETERSBURG.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A, UH, UH, BIKING AND WALKING PATH THAT WOULD GO ASHLAND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PETERSBURG.
IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR DECADES, I THINK.
BUT, UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME BEAT OUT FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN SET ASIDE THAT IF THE BODY COMMITS THAT THEY W THEY ACTUALLY MAY GET THAT PROJECT COMPLETED.
SO ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A LOT OF THE REGIONAL FUNDS, ALL OF IT ALL OF THE FIRST YEAR, YES.
OF THE PERSON, WHAT OCTOBER, OCTOBER SOMETHING OR WHATEVER, THE FIRST, YES, THE FIRST 12 MONTHS THAT THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE, CORRECT.
PUT ALL OF THAT MONEY, BUT NOT THE COUNTIES OR JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE NOT TOUCHED BY THIS FALL LINE.
THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THOSE MONIES THAT WE WOULD HAVE CONTRIBUTED FOR THAT 35% IN OUR CASE, IT'S A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS WOULD COME BACK TO THE COUNTY TO BE USED AS OUR 50%, WHICH IS WE WERE ALREADY COMPLIMENT OR 50% CORRECT.
IS THERE ANY MORE GUIDANCE ON, ON THE, THE REGIONAL AUTHORITY IMPOSING ANY RESTRICTIONS OR MONITORING, HOW THE LOCALITIES ON THE CHAIR, NOTHING PROVIDED THERE WAS NOTHING WRITTEN DOWN.
IT WAS, IT WAS VERY SORT OF ALMOST SEEMED AD HOC, BUT PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR MONITORING THAT.
AND THAT'S THAT'S, AND I WILL SAY, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
I, I DO WANT TO CALL IT MR. YOUNG, YOUR STAFF IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF BEING ON TOP OF THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME MAKING SURE OUR INTERESTS ARE TAKEN CARE OF IT, UH, ALL, ALL AROUND FOR ALL THE MONIES THAT, UH, ARE COMING TO US.
WELL, MR. YOUNG, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A WORKSHOP COMING UP LATER THIS MONTH AND TRANSPORTATION IS ON THE TOP OF IT, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT ON JUNE 7TH, UH, THE AFTERNOON SESSION, TOTALLY DEDICATED TO TRANSPORTATION.
SO I SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY MADE THAT IN MY ANNOUNCEMENTS OF WHAT'S COMING UP, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.
THANK YOU, MR. SPOON, HOWARD, ANY OTHER REPORTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS OF IT? ANYTHING GOING ON? ALL RIGHT, NEXT, WE'LL ROLL INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, MR. YOUNG, IF YOU WOULD LEAD US THROUGH THE
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CONSENTED, OR FIRST OF ALL, ANY, ANY BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO PULL ANYTHING OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR A SEPARATE? ALRIGHT.SEEING NONE, THEN CONSENT AGENDA STAYS INTACT.
WE'VE GOT, UH, FIVE ITEMS AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO
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EXECUTE A WATER ALLOCATION AGREEMENT WITH RIVER ROAD AND PATTERSON, LLC FOR MULTIPLE PROPERTIES LOCATED NEAR PATTERSON AVENUE AND RIVER ROAD.UH, THE DEVELOPER WILL PAY, UH, CAPACITY CHARGES FOR THE ALLOCATION OF THE WATER AND THEIR AGREEMENT.
WE'LL TURN IT TERMINATE IN 10 YEARS, THE PARCELS ARE NOT DEVELOPED OR THEIR AGREEMENT IS NOT RENEWED.
ADDITIONALLY, THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT OBLIGATE THE COUNTY TO REZONE THE PARCELS.
THE ALEC WATER ALLOCATION AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED AS TO LEGAL FORM BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
AND THE NUMBER TWO IS A RESOLUTION REQUEST IN VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ELECTIONS, A WAIVER FOR SPLIT PARCELS IN HAYDENVILLE AND SANDY HOOK PRECINCTS GOODSON COUNTY HAS TO SPLIT PRECINCTS PRECINCT ONE OH TWO HAYDENVILLE AND PRECINCT TWO OH TWO SANDY HOOK, VIRGINIA CODE 24.2 DEATHS THREE OH SEVEN ALLOWS THE STATE BOARD OF ALEXIS TO GRANT A WAIVER TO LOCALITIES, TO ADMINISTER A SPLIT SPLIT PRECINCTS.
THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS HAS CREATED AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THE REGISTER OF A LOCALITY THAT HAS A SPLIT PRECINCT TO APPLY TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ELECTIONS FOR A WAIVER TO ADMINISTRATOR THE EXISTING SPLIT PRECINCT.
UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST TO SET PUBLIC HEARING FOR JULY SIX, 2021 TO CONSIDER REPEALING THE ORDINANCE FOR THE CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS DURING THE PANDEMIC, UM, CONSIDERING THE CONDITIONS THAT OF PUBLIC HEALTH CONDITIONS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS TIME, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS AND PROTECTIONS PROVIDED, UH, BY THE, THE CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT ORDINANCE ARE NO LONGER NECESSARY.
UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A REQUEST TO SET PUBLIC HEARING FOR JULY 6TH TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING COUNTY CODE SECTION 14 DASH TWO FIVE ONE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT TO INCLUDE WITHIN THE DISTRICT FOUR PARCELS LOCATED NEAR HOCKET ROAD AND SONGBIRD LANE ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ACTUALLY, LET ME GO BACK ON THAT.
UH, THE PARCELS FOR, UH, NUMBER FOUR, UH, THEY ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TEKOA CREEK SERVICE AND CURRENTLY ASSESSED AT A COMBINED VALUE OF 2.44, 300.
UH, THESE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED A TO HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REZONE THE PROPERTIES WITH THE INTENTION OF DEVELOPING 130 UNIT SUBDIVISION.
SO ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A RESOLUTION PROVIDING NOTICE OF INTENT TO ABANDON ONE SEGMENT OF THREE CHOP ROAD, STATE, ROUTE SIX 22, LOCATED EAST OF ROUTE TWO 88.
AND TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AUGUST 3RD, 2021 LJ P PROPERTIES, LLC REQUESTS ABANDONING APPROXIMATELY 0.197 MILES SEGMENT, A THREE CHOP ROAD GENERALLY LOCATED BETWEEN BROAD STREET ROAD TO THE SOUTH ROUTE TWO 88 TO THE WEST AND DRIVE SHACK TO THE NORTH AND FOUR RINGS, UH, DRIVE TO THE EAST.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY.
THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG, UM, OR MEMBERS, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? I KNOW WE HAVE MR. OUR REGISTRAR, MR. PAULO HERE TO FIELD ANY ON NUMBER, NUMBER TWO, ALTHOUGH YOU'VE TALKED TO US ABOUT IT BEFORE, BUT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR STANDING IN TO FIELD.
I WANT A MOTION BEFORE WE HAD DISCUSSION EITHER WAY IS FINE.
SO MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF ALL FOUR, FIVE YEAH.
UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR US.
ANY DISCUSSION, ANY QUESTIONS I DID? OKAY.
SO, UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE, UM, EXECUTE A WATER ALLOCATION AGREEMENT THROUGH RIVER ROAD, UH, AND PATTERSON LLC FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED NEAR, UH, THAT INTERSECTION.
UH, CAN WE HAVE SOMETHING, UH, INTO THE RECORD AS TO WHY WE'RE DOING THIS BEING ASKED TO DO THIS LONG SHORE TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT? ALL RIGHT.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MATT LONGSHORE, UH, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC UTILITIES.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION, MS. LASCOLA WE'VE BEEN ASKED BY THE, THE, UH, DEVELOPER OF THOSE PARCELS.
THEY'RE HELPING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A WATER LINE IN THE AREA.
SO THEY'VE, UH, ASKED, UH, THE COUNTY TO RESERVE SOME OF OUR ALLOCATION FOR THOSE PARCELS, UH, IN TURN WE'VE CHECKED THEIR MASTER PLAN, MAKE SURE TO ALLOCATION IS AVAILABLE AND THAT'S GENERALLY THE GIST OF THE AGREEMENT.
UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PAYING FOR WATER LINES THAT OTHERS WOULD BE USING, CORRECT?
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CORRECT.THEY'RE MAKING A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A PUBLIC WATER LINE, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, WHAT, ANY OTHER CONSENT? UM, I'VE GOT IT.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON, ON NUMBER FOUR, UH, BRINGING IN, UH, THE PROPERTY, UH, INTO THE TACO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
IS, IS THIS COMING BEFORE THE BOARD, THE BEGINNING OF JULY THE APPLICATION, ARE WE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE OR ARE WE, WELL, THIS IS A NOTICE, UH, THIS IS A REQUEST TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING CAUSE THAT'S MY OTHER QUESTION.
WHAT, WHAT DATE IS A PUBLIC HEARING? UH, FOR, FOR JULY 6TH.
I DON'T HAVE THE JULY 6TH IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, IF THE, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME IS THE LAND USE, CAN YOU SET THE SAME TIME MS. HUNTER? CAN YOU, UM, THAT'S A WEDNESDAY.
WE WILL MEET ON THE SIXTH OF TUESDAY.
THAT'S THE SONGBIRD REZONING CASE.
IT IS GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JUNE.
IT WOULD GO TO THE, UM, BE BEFORE THE BOARD IN JULY AT THE SAME TIME AS THE TCSD.
YEAH, THE CAR IS AFTER THE WORST.
UM, NUMBER FIVE, IS THERE A REASON WE'RE SETTING THAT FOR AUGUST SIX VERSUS, UM, I MEAN, AUGUST 3RD VERSUS YOUR LAST SIX, UM, THAT HAS UNIQUE, UM, UH, ADVERTISING DELAY, UH, THINGS WE HAVE TO POST THE, UM, UH, PROPERTY IN SEVERAL LOCATIONS ALONG THE ROAD.
THEY NEED TO BE POSTED FOR 30 DAYS AND ALSO IN EITHER ORDER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR POSTING, WE HAVE TO CAN'T HAVE IT TILL AUGUST.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND ADULTS SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA, APPROVING THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, SAY HI, HI, KEEPING YOU ON YOUR TOES.
SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
[XIII. New Business]
NOBODY'S LOOKING FOR A BREAK YET.SO NEW BUSINESS, AND WE BEGIN WITH DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MS. HORLACKER, UH, ON SOME BUDGET AMENDMENTS, COUPLE OF BUDGET AMENDMENTS COMING OUT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, BARBARA HORLOCKER, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.
THE FIRST, UM, ITEM THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU, UM, CONCERNS THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITHIN THE FY 22 BUDGET THAT WAS PASSED IN APRIL.
[1. 4031: FY22 Budget Amendment - Commonwealth Attorney]
INCLUDED A POSITION FOR AN ASSISTANT COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY, AND AT THE TIME WE PASSED IT BELIEVING THAT THERE WOULD BE COMPENSATION BOARD FUNDING, UH, IN THE AMOUNT OF 56,000 TO SUPPORT THAT POSITION, WHICH MEANT THAT THE COMP BOARD WOULD GIVE US 56,000.AND WE WOULD PUT IN THE REST TO SUPPORT A COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY POSITION.
UM, WE HAVE SINCE LEARNED THAT, UM, THERE IS NO FUNDING FOR THIS POSITION, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A POSITION THAT, UM, THE COMMONWEALTH, I MEAN, THE, THE, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY REQUIRES BECAUSE IT'S A, UM, BODY CAMERA, UM, THE UTILIZATION AND VIEWING A BODY CAMERA.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO TODAY IS, UM, ASK YOU THAT WE, TO SUPPORT THAT POSITION, WE'D LIKE TO SWITCH OUT THE REVENUE BASICALLY AND SAY, NO, WE WON'T RECEIVE THAT MUCH STATE REVENUE.
HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE WE WILL RECEIVE, UM, PUBLIC SERVICE CORPORATION TAXES TO FILL THAT GAP, SO TO SPEAK.
SO, UM, MR. CADEL IS HERE AND HE WOULD BE GLAD TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE DETAILS ON THE POSITION.
MA'AM AS CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. YOUNG, DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY AND MADAM CLERK.
MY NAME IS MIKE CALDWELL, 29 38 RIVER ROAD WEST GOOCHLAND.
I AM THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY CAN TELL YOU HOW INVALUABLE MS. HORLACHER AND MS. RICE HAVE BEEN WITH
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THIS ISSUE THAT HAS ARISEN.AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND ADDRESS THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, UH, UNFUNDED MANDATE POSITION FOR ASSISTANT COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY.
THERE ARE TWO, UH, PROSECUTORS IN OUR OFFICE, ASHLEY THOMPSON.
WHO'S A DEPUTY COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY AND MYSELF.
UM, UH, DEPUTY COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY IS DIFFERENT FROM AN ASSISTANT.
IF I'M OUT OF THE OFFICE, SHE CAN DO WHATEVER I CAN DO IF FOR WHATEVER REASON I'M INCAPACITATED, THEN BY OPERATION OF LAW, SHE TAKES OVER AND ASSISTANT DOES NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE POWERS, BUT THIS ALL CAME TO BEING IN 2019.
WHEN, AND I THINK I PROVIDED THROUGH, UM, MS.
AND IT STARTS OUT ANY LOCALITY IN THE COMMONWEALTH THAT EMPLOYS THE USE OF BODY-WORN CAMERAS FOR ITS LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SHALL BE REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH AND FUND ONE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT ENTRY LEVEL ASSISTANT COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY AT A SALARY, NO LESS THAN THAT ESTABLISHED BY THE COMPENSATION BOARD FOR SUCH A POSITION.
THAT AMOUNT IS ESSENTIALLY $56,000.
UM, WITH THAT PACKET WILL BE A, A LETTER THAT AUSTIN TO THE COMP BOARD, UH, BASED ON AN AGREEMENT THAT I HAD WITH MR.
UM, AND IT WAS WORKING OUT QUITE WELL.
THE FIGURES THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT QUARTERLY TO THE COMP BOARD, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT GIVING US ANY MONEY, UH, FOR THE POSITION REFLECT THAT.
AND THE 2019 2020, UM, FISCAL YEAR, WE HAD 593 HOURS AND 42 MINUTES OF BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE ETHICALLY.
WE OBLIGATED TO WATCH ALL OF THAT FOOTAGE.
AND WHEN, I MEAN, WATCH, IT'S NOT LIKE SITTING BACK WATCHING COPS ON TV, WE HAVE TO WATCH IT.
WE HAVE TO TAKE THE POLICE REPORT.
WE HAVE TO REVIEW ALL THE CAMERA FOOTAGE.
AND IN SOME INSTANCES GO BACK AND BACK AND BACK AND BACK TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE SEE IS ACTUALLY WHAT'S OCCURRING.
SOME CASES TAKE, UH, WE WATCHED THEM THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOOTING, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A STATE POLICE CASE, UH, DASH CAM 12 MINUTES, WE WATCHED PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE HOURS OF JUST THAT 12 MINUTES SEGMENT THAT WAS PERTINENT TO THE CASE.
AND WHEN, UH, ONE OFFICER STOPS, THE VEHICLE WILL SAY, DO YOU ASK STOP? ANOTHER OFFICER WILL HAD HIS WAY.
AND, UH, PROBABLY, UH, ANOTHER.
SO YOU'LL HAVE TWO OR THREE AT ONE SAME.
AND WE HAVE TO WATCH ALL THREE OF THOSE CAMERAS THAT ARE IN OPERATION AT THE TIME.
NUMBER ONE, IT PROVIDES SAFEGUARDS TO, UH, THE ACCUSED NUMBER TWO.
IT GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED BECAUSE THE REPORT WRITING IS, IS, UH, IS SET OUT, BUT IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE FEEL AND THE FLAVOR WAS HAPPENING AS WHEN YOU WATCH BODY CAMERAS.
AND THIRD AT IT PROTECTS LAW ENFORCEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I ASKED YOU AND I HERE IN COURT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY COMES UP AND SAYS, THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED.
I SAID, IF YOU WATCH THE CAMERA, THE ANSWER IS NO.
AND IT SAID, IF YOU WATCH THE CAMERA, YOU WILL SEE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
SO IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE BODY CAMERA, UH, SHOWS WHAT IT SHOWS AND IT'S INTERPRETED BASED ON WHAT THE REPORT SAYS.
AND SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD TO SIT THE OFFICERS AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, YOUR REPORT SAYS, ONE THING, BODY CAMERA SHOWS SOMETHING ELSE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE ISSUE IS? AND THEY DO.
SO IT PROTECTS LAW ENFORCEMENT AS WELL.
AND WE ARE AGAIN, ETHICALLY OBLIGATED TO WATCH ALL OF THAT FOOTAGE NOW WITH COVID SETTING IN, UM, THE LAST YEAR THAT WE HAVE FIGURES FOR IT DROPPED DOWN TO 375 HOURS AND 37 MINUTES.
UM, I THINK THERE WERE A NUMBER OF FACTORS.
NUMBER ONE IS COVID NOT AS MANY PEOPLE WERE BEING CHARGED, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN DEPUTIES THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED, UH, SEVEN NEW CAMERAS AND THAT WILL INCREASE.
SO, UH, THIS YEAR FOR THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE ASKED THE BOARD AND OUR BUDGET FOR, UH, COMPENSATION FOR A, UH,
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FULL-TIME ENTRY-LEVEL ASSISTANT COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY, PRIMARILY FOR BODY CAMERA JAIL CALL, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, REVIEWING, CAUSE YOU WON'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH EVIDENCE WE CAN GET FROM SOMEBODY'S SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT.UM, AND IT'S AN UNFUNDED MANDATE.
UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, MS. LASKA LET, I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE YOU ANY ADDITIONAL SLEEPLESSNESS, BUT COMP BOARD IS NOT GIVING US ANY MONEY NOW, NOT TO SAY THAT AT SOME POINT WHEN, UH, NUMBERS GET UP AND WE ARE NOT AUTHORIZED FOR A COP BOARD FUNDED POSITION, THE NUMBERS THAT WE GET ARRESTS ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO GENERATE THAT, UH, APPROPRIATION AT THIS POINT.
BUT IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN COMPETENCE, INTEGRITY, TRANSPARENCY, AND ETHICS, WE, WE DO NEED TO POSITION TO WHERE THEY CAN, UH, FOCUS ON BODY CAMERA.
AND AGAIN, WHAT HAPPENS IS SOMEBODY ASKS YOU WILL BE LOOKING AT BODY CAMERAS, SHE'LL SAY, HEY, COME IN HERE AND LOOK AT THIS.
I'LL SIT DOWN AND WE'LL GO OVER IT TOGETHER.
SO TO HAVE SOMEONE DEDICATED FOR THAT SOLE PURPOSE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO COURT BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU CAN SIT AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN LAW ENFORCEMENT WITHOUT GOING INTO COURT AND SEEING WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE OBSERVED ON CAMERA FOOTAGE.
UM, BUT WE DO NEED SOMEBODY, IF AT SOME POINT THE COMP BOARD FINDS THAT OUR NUMBERS HAVE INCREASED THEN, UH, ASHLEY AND I WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER TODAY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO DEFUND THIS POSITION AND HAVE THAT PERSON BE HIRED AND TRANSITION OVER INTO A COMP BOARD FUNDED POSITION? THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY, BUT I DO NOT KNOW.
UM, AND I DID ATTACH A COPY OF WHAT WE HAD PROPOSED TO, UM, MS. RICE AS THE, UM, JOB POSTING REQUIREMENTS.
AND IT IS FIRST AND FOREMOST, A BODY CAMERA ORIENTED POSITION AND, AND TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT, UM, OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO AS FAR AS, UM, COMPENSATION FROM THEIR LOCALITY.
THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY SERVICES COUNCIL HAS, HAS A JOB LISTING.
THEY HAVE CURRENTLY 41 POSITIONS AVAILABLE OF THAT.
19 POSITIONS ARE, UH, LEVEL ONE, UH, ENTERING POSITIONS, WHICH AVERAGING OUT WHAT THOSE AMOUNT TO IT IS AN AVERAGE SALARY OF $60,600.
UM, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE 56 THAT THE COMP BOARD WOULD, UH, CONSIDER ALLOCATING FOR ONE OF THEIR FUNDED POSITIONS.
AND IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH MS. RICE, UM, IT WAS CONTEMPLATED THAT IN ORDER TO BRING IN QUALIFIED PEOPLE THAT IT CONCEIVABLY COULD BE BUMPED UP TO 70 OR 80,000.
I SAID, CAN I HAVE THE WEEKEND TO THINK ABOUT IT THAT MONDAY, UH, UH, CONTACTED THE COMP BOARD AND IT CAME, UH, CAME TO THE REALIZATION THAT EVERYBODY WAS KIND OF OPERATING ON PARALLEL TRACKS.
AND THEN WHEN THEY SAID, WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU ANY MONEY.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THINGS, UH, DERAILED TO SOME EXTENT, BUT IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH OUR ETHICAL OBLIGATIONS AND WHAT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE AN INCREASE AND BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE, UH, WE DO NEED THE POSITION.
AND, AND AGAIN, THE COMP BOARD IS SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE BODY CAMERAS, USE BODY CAMERAS, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR YOU TO HAVE IT ALL FUNNELED DOWN TO THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICER.
WHEN WE GO IN WE'RE THE FACE OF THE CASE AND NEVER, WILL YOU HEAR A JUDGE SAY YOUR CASE IS DISMISSED BECAUSE YOU DID NOT COMPLY WITH YOUR ETHICAL OBLIGATIONS.
THAT THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE IF A POSITION IS NOT FUNDED, ASHLEY AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE DO.
SO IN A ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS LEADING UP TO PROVIDING US ALL THIS INFORMATION THAT YOU GAVE US.
THE DISTRICT PROVIDED IN THE FORUM.
I THINK WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, BUT WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS, MS. LAST POINT.
SO, UM, I CAN, I CAN SEE THE NEED FOR THIS POSITION, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE USING BODY CAMERAS AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO, AS FAR AS I KNOW, AND YOU ARE RIGHT, WE ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL, UH, UNIFORM, UH, OFFICERS.
SO DEPUTIES, UH, MY QUESTION IS THIS.
SO THE WHITE, NOW THIS DOES NOT SEEM TO BE,
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HAVE ENOUGH WORK TO BE A FULL-TIME JOB IN AND OF ITSELF.DOESN'T SEEM TO BE, AND IT'S HARD TO TELL, LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU'RE WATCHING ONE VIDEO, YOU KNOW, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, SO YOU CAN SAY THAT'S 12 MINUTES, MAYBE 12 MINUTES TIMES, YOU KNOW, 50 OR SOMETHING ON IT, BUT YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS FOR THIS PERSON THAT CAN'T, THEY CAN'T DO RIGHT.
UM, UH, AND AGAIN, I WOULDN'T WANT A DOCTOR WHO HAD NEVER GONE IN AND HAD A PATIENT TO TELL ME WHAT'S WRONG.
THAT'S WHY AT AN ENTRY-LEVEL POSITION.
AND I REMEMBER THOSE DAYS, MYSELF, OUR, UH, CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE SANNER, UM, GAVE ME MY FIRST JOB OUT OF LAW SCHOOL.
AND HE WAS COMING, I WAS TURNING ORANGE AND HE IS SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT PLAY EITHER ON THE BENCH OR AS A PROSECUTOR.
SO MAY COME IN COLD, NOT KNOWING ANYTHING.
I WAS FORTUNATE TO LEARN FROM HIM WHAT TO DO.
AND HE HAD ME, IT WAS EYE OPENING CIRCUIT COURT, JUVENILE COURT, DISTRICT COURT.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT WAS SINK OR SWIM BECAUSE HE DID PROVIDE A GREAT DEAL OF GUIDANCE, BUT PEOPLE WILL HAVE THINGS TO DO.
THEY NEED TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW WHAT OFFICER SAYS, CROSS EXAMINE SOMEBODY DIRECT EXAMINATION, UH, JURY TRIAL.
UH, IF WE, WE ARE BACK TO THAT POINT NOW, BUT YES, THEY WILL BE A FULL FLEDGED PROSECUTOR.
SO IS THE POSITION AN ACTUAL ATTORNEY? YES.
I'M SURE THE PERSON WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ATTORNEY AND ENTRY-LEVEL OUT OF LAW SCHOOL PASSED THE BAR.
SO THE W WHAT'S IN OUR EMOTION IS THE, IS THE 56,000.
BUT ARE YOU ASKING? AND THEN WHEN I LOOK AT THE JOB POSTING, IT'S 60 TO 65.
SO ARE YOU ASKING FOR THAT NUMBER? THAT WAS WHAT, WHEN WE WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THE COP BOARD WOULD KICK IN, THAT WAS WHERE THINGS KIND OF ENDED UP.
AND THAT'S WHAT I LEFT IN THE PROPOSAL THAT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED TO MS. RICE AS FAR AS THE POSTING GOES.
SO 56 IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR TODAY 60 TO 65 WOULD BE NICE.
BUT, UM, AND AGAIN, WHAT THE, UH, I'M SORRY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE 65 BUDGETED IN THE, IN THE BUDGET.
WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR IS TO, TO THE, THE FUNDING FOR THE 56, THAT WE'RE NO LONGER GETTING FROM THE STATE.
YEAH, PROCESSES, PROCEDURES EXTREMELY CONFUSING.
AND THAT'S WHY BEING ON THIS PARALLEL TRACK UNTIL WE DID CROSS AND REALIZE THAT THE COMP BOARD IS NOT GOING TO GIVE US ANY MONEY AT THIS POINT.
OH, W WHAT OTHER FOLKS DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS FOR THEM TO START KICKING IN? UM, JOANNE DID OUR BUDGET.
SHE SAID WE DO NOT QUALIFY, BUT NO, I DO NOT PERSONALLY.
I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THE SAME QUESTION PHRASED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
ARE WE GETTING CLOSE? ARE WE IN THE REALM OR ARE THEY JUST SAYING THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GROWTH PEOPLE WHEN WE GET THERE? SHE SAID WE WERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LADDER, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE LESS CRIME IS GOOD BASED ON NUMBER OF CASES THAT COME IN.
NOT, NOT BASED ON POPULATION OR OTHER CRITERIA, NUMBER OF CASES THAT YOUR OFFICE HAS TO HANDLE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS END? YOU GO AHEAD.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING I, I DID.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW YOU AND YOUR DEPUTY ARE HANDLING, UH, THE REVIEW OF THE BODY CAMERAS, UH, THE VIDEOS.
DO YOU, SO THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT YOU WERE QUOTING TO US, THAT'S THE NUMBER OF HOURS THE TWO OF YOU WERE PUTTING IN? YEAH, THOSE ARE THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT HAVE COME IN FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT.
WE ONLY DO CLASS ONE AND TWO MISDEMEANORS, WHICH CARRY JAIL TIME AND, AND FELONY.
SO WE DON'T DO THE SPEEDING TICKETS OR ANYTHING ELSE, UNLESS THERE'S AN ISSUE.
UM, YEAH, MY, MY GLASSES WOULD NEED TO BE EVEN THICKER IF WE HAD TO DO THAT.
BUT ASHLEY AND I DO EVERYTHING FROM SPEEDING TICKETS TO MURDER.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, UH, LUXURIES TO THAT EXTENT, BECAUSE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON AND WE'RE INTO IT ALL THE WAY.
THANK YOU, MR. CARNELL, BACK IN 2019, YOUR REPORT, YOUR REPORT TO THE COTTON BOARD, UH, NOTED THAT WE HAVE WE'RE UP TO 35 ON CAMERAS AT THAT TIME.
THAT THAT NUMBER IS GOING UP, BUT WE'RE NOT.
AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, I JUST, WE'RE NOT GETTING CLOSE TO 75 OR, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET TO 75, THEN IF WE HIT ANOTHER WAY WE WOULD HAVE TO.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, ANYWHERE CLOSE.
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AND I THINK THAT WE COULD STILL, EVEN IF WE HAD 75 ADDRESS THAT WITH SOMEBODY WHO WOULD ESSENTIALLY DO THAT.UH FULL-TIME BUT, UM, WE COULD JUST HAVE EACH DEPUTY OR TWO, WE COULD JUST HAVE EACH DEPUTY WHERE TOO ONE FRONT AND BACK.
UM, BUT PLUS THAT RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANYWHERE TO PUT THEM WHERE YOU ARE DESPERATELY IN NEED OF OFFICE SPACE, BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S IN THE WORKS TO THAT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A VOTE HERE IN A SECOND THAT THE BOARD SUPPORTS WHAT YOU'RE DOING, SO WE'LL HAVE A VOTE, BUT I, I GUESS THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS MAKE SURE THAT YOU LET US KNOW BETWEEN YOU AND THE SHERIFF, MAKE SURE YOU LET US KNOW THAT WE'RE PROVIDING YOU THE SUPPORT TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
I IMAGINE SOME TECHNOLOGY MIGHT MAKE I, AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT, THIS IS NOT WHAT I DO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT A DAY IN THE LIFE IS LIKE, BUT I CAN JUST IMAGINE THAT SOME TECHNOLOGY MIGHT ENHANCE OR MAKE IT EASIER TO REVIEW THIS.
AND I THINK THE SHERIFF HAS, IT HAS A REPOSITORY, MAYBE THERE'S WAYS TO MARK VIDEOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT CAN MAYBE MAKE IT EASIER.
SOMETIMES I'M JUST SAYING, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE YOU AND THE SHERIFF MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING ALL THE SUPPORT TO MAKE IT SO THAT WHOEVER HAS THIS JOB ACTUALLY LIKES THE JOB AND IT'S NOT HAVING TO STRUGGLE WITH ABSOLUTELY THE TECHNOLOGY.
AND ONE OTHER THING IS THAT IF THERE IS A FUNDING THAT'S MADE AVAILABLE, WE WILL HAVE TO WITH, UH, MR. YOUNG, UH, DO ANOTHER AGREEMENT AND PROVIDE THAT TO THE COMP BOARD, WHICH I'M SURE YOU WILL WELL UP TO THIS AGREEMENT THAT DEPENDING ON HOW THE VOTE GOES.
YES, I WOULD MOVE THAT THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REDUCED THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 BUDGET FOR STATE COMPENSATION BY 56,000 AND INCREASE BUDGETED LOCAL FUNDING BY $56,000 FOR THE POSITION.
AND MR. SPOON HARE, ANY DISCUSSION? GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL.
THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. CARDELLA AND ASHLEY, THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOU'RE DOING AND FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.
UH, NEXT IS OUR SECOND, UM, ITEM ON NEW BUSINESS AND WE HAVE OUR COUNTY WCAB ADMINISTRATOR.
[2. 4027: FY22 Budget Amendment - Sheriff's Office Pay Plan Amendment]
I SAY, UM, MUCH MORE ABOUT THIS ONE, I'LL COME BACK TO, TO DISCUSS THE NUMBERS, BUT I'M GOING TO LET THE SHERIFF MAYSVILLE A PRESENTATION.UM, BEFORE I GET STARTED ON THIS, I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE LAST VOTE THAT YOU DID FOR THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UH, THEY DO NEED THAT POSITION.
UH, BODY CAMERAS ARE GOING TO INCREASE THE VIDEO, UH, DUE TO COVID, UH, SORT OF BEING RELAXED AND EVERYTHING NOW, PLUS FUTURE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE AT GUCCI COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UH, WHICH UNTIL ADDITIONAL CAMERAS, I'M ACTUALLY GOING INSIDE CARS AS WELL TO GET THE FULL PICTURE AS WELL AS TO BODY CAM PICTURES.
SO I JUST WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR APPROVING THAT, OR, I MEAN FOR TODAY IS JUST LIKE COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION FOR THE, FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UM, CONCENTRATE ON SWORN EMPLOYEES WITH ALL THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS AROUND GOOCHLAND RIGHT NOW, OUR COMPETITORS TO THE EAST, UH, EVERYONE IS INCREASING THEIR PAY.
UM, SO IN DOING SO WE WANTED TO HAVE A COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION SO WE CAN COMPETE WITH THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
SO WE PUT THIS TWO OBJECTIVES TOGETHER, WHICH, WHICH WE WANT TO DO, AND THAT IS TO INCREASE OUR START IN SALARY.
TP CAN COMPETITIVE WITH EVERYONE AND ALSO RETAIN THE GREAT MEN AND WOMEN THAT WE DO HAVE THE GUCCI COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE CONCENTRATING ON THE SWORN POSITIONS.
SO IN DOING SO, WE ALSO WANTED TO SEE HOW MUCH DO WE ACTUALLY PAY FOR A DEPUTY FOR A NEW DEPUTY TO BE TRAINED IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
BUT THEN THREE YEARS WE SPEND OVER $46,000 IN TRAINING FOR SOME OTHER AGENCIES TO TRY TO RECRUIT THEM TO COME WORK FOR THEIR AGENCY.
THIS AMOUNT RIGHT HERE IS WHAT IT INCLUDES IS TO SALARY FOR THE ACADEMY TO FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM, TO DUES FOR RAPPAHANNOCK REGIONAL CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACADEMY.
AS LONG AS, AS ALSO THE THOMAS JEFFERSON DISTRICT FOR CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM TRAINING.
I WOULD NOTE THAT THE FIGURE DOES NOT INCLUDE CALL SOME CLASS
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LODGING.IF WE HAVE TO SEND THEM OUT OF TOWN OR PER DIEM OVERTIME PAID FOR THEM TO BE AT TRAINING OVERTIME, PAID TO HAVE SOMEONE FILL THE SHIFT.
AND ALSO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE UNIFORMS AND EQUIPMENT.
SO THEN WE WENT AROUND AND WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING TOO FOR OUR COMPETITORS.
SO WE LOOKED AT HIM RYKO, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, TOP LEFT, THAT IS WHAT THEIR STARTING PAY IS GOING TO JULY ONE, UH, JUST SHY OF 52,000.
UH, CHESTERFIELD IS RIGHT, UH, AT 49.
HANOVER IS RIGHT ALMOST AT 15 NEW CAMP, JUST OVER 51 IN ASHLAND.
UH, UM, IS THAT 51? AND THEN WE STARTED, UH, JULY ONE, WE'RE AT 47, THREE 80.
AND WE'LL NOTE THAT, UM, FOR SOME OF THE JURISDICTIONS UP THERE, THEY REALLY DO CONCENTRATE ON RECRUITING PRE-CERT, UH, APPLICANTS THAT SOMEONE WHO'S ALREADY CERTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
SO ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, WE DID A SURVEY OF OUR DEPUTIES.
AND WE FOUND OUT THAT 62% OF GUCCI COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE DEPUTIES HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY A RECRUITER OR ANOTHER PERSON FROM ANOTHER ONE OF THESE AGENCIES TO TRY TO GET THEM TO COME TO THEIR AGENCY TO MAKE MORE MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, UH, EVERYBODY HERE, BUT IF 62% OF OUR STAFF GAVE A TWO WEEKS NOTICE NEXT WEEK, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN TROUBLE.
SO JUST A LITTLE VISUAL FOR YOU.
THIS IS WHERE WE COMPARE TO HENRICO CHESTERFIELD HANOVER, A NEW CANON ASHLYN.
I WILL SAY THERE IS THE CHESTERFIELD DOES FOCUS ON RECRUIT AND PRESCHOOL.
WE ALSO WANTED TO COMPARE SOME CLOSE TO CLOSE TO HOME, SOMEONE HERE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY WHO WORKS FOR GUCCI COUNTY, JUST IN ANOTHER AREA.
SO WE LOOKED AT THEIR TEACHERS SINCE THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD COMPARISON.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE, IN THE BAR GRAPHS ON WHERE WE STAND, UM, THIS KEEP IN MIND, THIS, THIS TAKES FOR A 10 MONTH CONTRACT TEACHER, WHICH HAS 54, JUST OVER $54,000.
BUT WHEN YOU DO THE MATH AND ADD IT UP FOR WHOOPS, AT A, FOR BEING THE, UH, UH, 12 MONTHS, YOU SEE THAT JUST ABOVE $54,000.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM WE'LL WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE REQUESTING IS A 12% INCREASE, WHICH WILL BRING OUR STARTING PAY UP TO $53,066.
AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT WE'LL SEND A SHOCKWAVE, UM, IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY AND WE'LL HAVE THE BEST, UH, QUALIFIED CANDIDATES LOOKING AT NEUTRONS.
UH, THIS WILL ALSO THIS APPROVAL, IF IT IS APPROVED BY THE BOARD, THIS, WITHOUT A DOUBT, YOU KNOW, INSURERS, A GUCCI ON THE LEAF FROM THE FRONT.
AND IT DOES DEMONSTRATE A STRONG COMMITMENT TO OUR, TO OUR MEN AND WOMEN, UH, HERE IN HERE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
I'VE WANTED TO KEEP THIS SHORT, UH, BUT I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE WE'RE MEMBERS.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, BOTH, UH, RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION.
SO THIS IS, UM, THIS IS RECRUITMENT HERE, THE 53 OF 66, THAT WOULD BE STARTING SALARY.
SO, UM, WHAT, UH, WHAT, HOW ARE WE ADDRESSING THE RETENTION? PROBABLY 12% ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO THAT'S, WHAT'S ADDRESSABLE.
THEN LATER THINGS IN THE FUTURE AS IN CAREER DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT WILL COME INTO PLAY LATER.
SO, SO NOT ONLY DO, AND SO YOU HAD, YOU HAVE SOME OPEN POSITIONS RIGHT NOW, IS THAT RIGHT? WE JUST FILLED ONE.
WE HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A TOTAL OF EIGHT COME JULY.
AND NOW YOU JUST GOT TO GET THEM THROUGH THE ACADEMY.
SO YOU'VE GOT NEW FOLKS COMING ON BOARD AND ALSO TRYING TO RETAIN, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS THAT YOU DO HAVE.
SO THIS, THIS PROPOSAL IS ONLY FOR, UM, YOUR, YOUR SWORN OFFICERS, NOT FOR ANY OTHER POSITIONS.
MA'AM UM, OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
UM, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A LITTLE CONTEXT.
I THINK THIS KIND OF COMES UP NOW IN PART, BECAUSE LOCALITIES HAVE BEEN PLAYING THEIR CARDS CLOSE, AND HAVEN'T REALLY REVEALED UNTIL RECENTLY SOME COMPENSATION, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S THERE'S COMPETITION FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
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ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IN THIS REGION.AND WE HAVE SOME OF THE BIG JURISDICTIONS SEEMING TO PUBLICLY VIBE OVER, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA COMPENSATE BETTER.
WHO HAS A MORE ATTRACTIVE COMPENSATION PACKAGE.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST WEEK BY ONE OF THE, UM, JURISDIC.
SO SOME OF THIS WE'RE SEEING WHERE FOLKS ARE COMING OUT, HAVING JURISDICTIONS ARE HAVING TO SHOW THEIR HANDS.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS, THAT GIVES A LITTLE CONTEXT AS PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS IS COMING NOW.
BECAUSE WITHOUT DOING SOMETHING VERY SOON AND VERY, VERY HEAVILY, UH, WE WILL BE BEHIND THE CURVE.
UM, AND YOU YOU'VE TALKED TO US ABOUT, AND AGAIN, I THINK WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION THEY'RE RELATED, BUT THEY ARE SEPARATE ISSUES.
AND YOU, YOU, YOUR ANSWER TO THIS LAST SLIDE, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE SOME THINGS YOU'LL BE SHARING WITH US GOING FORWARD IN TERMS OF THE RETENTION PLANS AND HOW WE CAN SUPPORT.
UM, AND I'M GLAD OUR COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY IS THERE TO COME WITH ATTORNEYS ARE STILL HERE BECAUSE WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED OUT, YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ADDING DASH CAM VIDEO.
SO RIGHT AWAY, I WENT BACK TO THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT TO SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT 35 CAMERAS AND WE PUT 35 DADS, THEN WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THAT 75 NUMBER.
BUT THIS SAYS BODY, THE USE OF BODY-WORN CAMERAS, THE BUDGET BILL FROM 2019 SAYS BODY-WORN CAMERAS.
SO I JUST WOULD ASK YOU ALL, WE WERE GOING TO MEET WITH OUR LEGISLATORS.
UM, I THINK IN JULY OR SOME SOMETIME THIS SUMMER.
AND WE ALWAYS TALK TO THEM ABOUT UNFUNDED MANDATES.
AND MY PLAN IS TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC INSTEAD OF JUST KIND OF ANOTHER LINE ITEM, LIKE STOP UNFUNDED MANDATES.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE ASSERTIVE TO THEM.
LIKE YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET, HELP US OUT, BUT WE NEED TO DO OUR PART TO HELP THEM SPOT THESE THINGS, BECAUSE THIS IS THIS KIND OF STUFF THAT WE SEE, LIKE AFTER THE FACT LIKE, OH, THAT'S.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOBODY TO GENERAL ASSEMBLY GETS A GENIUS IDEA THAT WE SHOULD MAKE THIS ALL CAMERAS.
SO I NOTICED THIS NEMO IS COPIED TO FOLKS LIKE THE, YOUR, YOUR, PROBABLY YOUR LEADER OF THE ASSOCIATION OF COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEYS.
I'M JUST HOPING WE CAN KIND OF UNITE AND GET SOME SUPPORT ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT COULD HAVE US NEXT YEAR WITH LIKE, OH, HOW DID THAT GET BIAS? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK DASH CAMS, I MEAN, STATE STATE USES DASH CAMERAS AND YOU ALL HAVE TO, THIS PERSON WILL BE REVIEWING ANY STATE POLICE DASH CAM, RIGHT? YES.
AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN, BUT MY BODY-WORN CAMERA ON.
UM, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAS, I'M SORRY IF WE'VE HAD AN ACTUALLY HAS IN-CAR CAMERAS, THE SHOOTING ON THE INTERSTATE, UH, THEY HAD IN-CAR CAMERAS AS WELL.
UM, UH, A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T SHOW MUCH, BUT, UM, YEAH, BUT THIS PERSON THAT YOU'LL BE WHEN YOU HAVE, AND IF WE MOVE TO THAT AND WHEN STATE BRINGS YOUR CASE, YOU'LL YOU GUYS THAT SAME PERSON, IF IT'S VIDEO FOOTAGE, WE HAVE TO WATCH IT.
SO LET'S JUST BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIKE I SAID, WE REALLY HAVE BEEN THINKING AS WE'RE GETTING READY TO MEET WITH OUR LEGISLATORS, THAT WE REALLY WANT TO THEM TO WATCH OUT FOR THE ABSOLUTELY.
UM, DID THAT PROMPT ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEP.
THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'D BECOME AWARE OF, OBVIOUSLY A LONG BEFORE THE BOARD WOULD BECOME AWARE OF.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION IT MISS MR. JOE, I'D NEVER LIKE TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY.
WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF SHERIFF DEPUTIES HERE TODAY TO JUST THANK THEM FOR WHAT THEY DO ON A DAILY BASIS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
UM, WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING OUT THERE AND TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER.
EVERY INNER COUNTER ENCOUNTER I'VE HAD.
AND THE OBSERVATION I'VE HAD WAS OF YOUR FOLKS HAVE BEEN VERY PROFESSIONAL IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THIS IS JUST A LITTLE OUT OF THE ORDINARY BECAUSE WE JUST APPROVED THE BUDGET FOR THE COMING HERE AND WE'RE NOW, UM, AND I THINK THIS IS THE CASE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM, UM, THE GRAPHS AND CHARTS YOU SHOWED, WHERE WE'VE FALLEN BEHIND SOME OF THE COMPARABLE JURISDICTIONS.
THOSE, THAT CHART INCLUDES ALL OF THEIR NEW BUDGETS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
AND PRESUMABLY SOME OF THOSE INCREASES TOOK PLACE AFTER WE WERE PREPARING OUR BUDGET.
AND SO THIS, THE REASON FOR CIRCLING BACK PERHAPS IS THAT THERE'S NEW INFORMATION.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS JUST KIND OF OUT OF STEP IS THAT THE CASE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
UM, THE OTHER THING I'LL JUST THROW OUT THERE, UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO COOPERATE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AS OPPOSED TO COMPETING AND CANNIBALIZING? I MEAN, AS A REGION, CAN WE SAY THIS REGION LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO SOLVE A COMMON PROBLEM? I MEAN, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
I DON'T EXPECT AN ANSWER ON THAT, BUT I, THIS BIT ABOUT US, THEM AND BACK AND FORTH AND JUST,
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IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.SO THERE'S A REGIONAL PROBLEM HERE, NOT JUST A GOODSON KIND OF PROBLEM TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN.
SO SEVERAL SHERIFFS AND CHIEFS THAT US AROUND ALL OF US HERE IN THE, UH, WITHIN I THINK THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
YOU'RE WAY AHEAD OF ME AS USUAL.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT HAS BEEN SAID, BUT THIS REQUEST IS 425,000, UH, APPROPRIATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PART BARBARA IS GOING TO, TO YOU STILL HAVE SOME MORE TO PRESENT.
UM, THE ONLY THING I HAVE LEFT TO PRESENT IS THAT THE COST WOULD BE, UH, $425,000, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE BOTH SALARY AND BENEFITS.
SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO INCREASE OUR BUDGET, UM, $425,000 IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND INCREASE OUR REVENUE, UM, $425,000.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE IN REAL ESTATE PROPERTY TAX.
SO WE WOULDN'T INCREASE THE TOTAL 22 BUDGET BY 425,000 IN ORDER TO FUND THOSE SALARY INCREASES ANY QUESTIONS NOW? YEAH, BUT THE WAY YOU FRAMED IT, I THINK YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT HAVING A TAX INCREASE, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
MS.
WHEN WOULD IT BE EFFECTIVE? JULY 1ST.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR EMOTION, MR. JARED, JUST BEFORE, UM, PERHAPS, UH, ATTORNEY AND BARBARA CAN HELP THEM WITH THIS.
SO THE MOTION, IF THERE IS ONE, UM, WOULD BE TO AMEND THE FY 22 BUDGET TO INCREASE IT BY THIS AMOUNT, THE FOUR 25.
AND THEN ALSO, I GUESS IN TWO, TWO PLACES AMEND THE REVENUES ON THE REAL ESTATE SIDE TO FUND THE EXPENDITURE.
SO WE'D AMEND THE BUDGET WITH THOSE TWO ITEMS AND THEN ALSO APPROPRIATE THE EXPENDITURE OF THOSE ITEMS. IS THAT RIGHT? AND WE CAN SIMPLY SAY APPROPRIATE.
AND THEN THAT WAY THAT, THAT, UM, THE AMEND IS, IS, IS AUTOMATIC INCORRECT.
SO ALL WE NEED TO DO IS SAY THE APPROPRIATION, CORRECT.
AND THE AMENDMENT IS AUTOMATIC, CORRECT.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT BEFORE WE MADE A MOTION, SO, OKAY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AFTER ALL THAT, YOU TEACH YOURSELF UP TO MAKE THE MOTION.
LEARN TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT ON THIS.
UM, WELL, MR. CHAIR, I MOVED AT THE GOODWIN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE APPROPRIATION OF 425,000 TO THE SHERIFF'S FISCAL YEAR 2022 BUDGET FOR EXPENDITURES AND THE APPROPRIATION OF 425,000 TO REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE TO SUPPORT THE REVISED SHERIFFS PAY PLAN.
GIVE US A PETERSON, MISS LAST CO-LEAD ALRIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS JOB, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF LOCAL IMPACTS THAT YOU HAVE.
AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN I WAS DOOR KNOCKING, I WOULD ALWAYS SAY GOOCHLAND IS A SPECIAL PLACE.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T THINK I COULD DO THIS ANY PLACE ELSE.
AND FOR US TO BE SPECIAL, WE HAVE TO DO SPECIAL THINGS.
AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
AND WHILE WE DO A LOT OF THINGS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, I BELIEVE THIS HAS NATIONAL IMPLICATIONS BECAUSE I THINK DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS SIGNALS THAT GOOCHLAND COUNTY REALLY DOES SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND THERE'S NO TIME IN MY LIFETIME THAT I COULD THINK THAT SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT, UH, NEEDS TO BE DONE UH, TODAY.
SO I AM VERY PROUD AND HONORED TO BE ABLE TO SERVE, TO BE ABLE TO SIGNAL TO GOOCHLAND AND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY THAT WE DO SUPPORT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
MR. MR. PETERSON, UH, COMMENTS.
UH, SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES AND SHERIFF FOR SERVING THE COMMUNITY.
UM, YEAH, YOU WON'T HEAR DEFUND THE POLICE AROUND HERE.
VOTE SUPERVISOR SPOON, OUR RESOUNDING YES.
UM, COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY AND SHERIFFS AND SHERIFF DEPUTIES,
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WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THAT IN PLACE.SO NEXT ON THE, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE LIKE IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES? NO, YOU'RE FINE.
I WANTED TO LET YOU GO, BUT I THINK WE'VE BEEN HERE A LITTLE MORE.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE SHERIFF AND HIS STAFF FOR WORKING WITH OUR STAFF ON THIS.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE BOARD, UH, HAS BEEN BEHIND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND EVERYTHING OUR DEPUTIES DO WHEN, UH, WE'RE SO PROUD OF THEM AND IT TOOK A LOT OF EFFORT.
UM, BUT WE GOT THERE AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU.
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CONTINUING WITH NEW BUSINESS UP TO ITEM THREE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRESENTATION, OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. YOUNG, UM, AS MR. LUMPKIN STATED, MY NAME IS CASEY VERBERG AND I'M AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FOR GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
AND I BRING TODAY, UM, BEFORE YOU ARE A TARGETED INDUSTRY
[3. 3929: Presentation from Economic Development on the Targeted Industry Analysis]
ANALYSIS.SO, UM, IT, WE, AS PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, IT WAS TO, UH, ESTABLISH TARGET MARKETS.
SO DEFINE AND EVALUATE EXISTING AND EMERGING LOCAL AND REGIONAL MARKETS.
SO WHAT IS A TARGETED INDUSTRY ANALYSIS? IT'S AN ANALYSIS THAT REVIEWS EXISTING AND EXPECTED FUTURE TRENDS IN VARIOUS INDUSTRIES.
UM, THEY REVIEWED TRENDS BY INDUSTRY USING A NEXT CODE, WHICH STANDS FOR THE NORTH AMERICAN INDUSTRY CLASSIFICATION CODE SYSTEM.
UM, SO EVERY BUSINESS IS ASSIGNED TO NAICS CODE BASED ON THEIR ACTIVITY.
SO ORIGINALLY THEY'RE ASSIGNED A TWO DIGIT NAICS CODE.
UM, THAT'S VERY BROAD, SUCH AS MANUFACTURING, AND THEN IT DIVES INTO A SIX DIGIT CODE, UM, WHICH HAS FOCUSED FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE A PREFABRICATED WOOD BUILDING MANUFACTURING.
SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF HOW WE WENT FROM VERY BROAD TO VERY SPECIFIC.
UM, IT ALSO EXPLORES AND REGIONAL INDUSTRY GROWTH.
SO WHILE WE KNEW, UM, AT A BROAD LEVEL, WHAT WE WANTED TO RECRUIT, WE'RE DRILLING DOWN INTO THAT DATA ON THE LOCAL AND REGIONAL LEVEL TO SEE HOW THEY, UM, COMPARED WITH ONE ANOTHER.
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SO WHY DO WE NEED ONE? UM, SO IT ANSWERS QUESTIONS FROM EXTERNAL PARTIES AS WELL AS INTERNAL.SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE WOULD MEET WITH FOLKS FROM THE VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP, ALSO KNOWN AS V E D P M, WHICH IS THE STATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
THEY WOULD ASK US WHEN OUR OFFICE WAS FORMED, WHO ARE YOU RECRUITING? AND WE KNEW WHAT WE WEREN'T RECRUITING.
WE KNEW WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, BUT WE COULDN'T GIVE THEM A VERY SPECIFIC ANSWER ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE.
UM, SO NOW WE HAVE A CONCISE LIST OF INDUSTRIES ALLOWING US TO CONNECT WITH THE APPROPRIATE MANAGERS AT VDP, UM, AND USE THEIR KNOWLEDGE BASE AS WELL.
SO LIKE I SAID, IT GAINS INDUSTRY SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE.
UM, SO WHAT DOES THAT END INDUSTRY NEED? CAN WE PROVIDE IT OR WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO BE ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT IT? AND THEN IT ALSO HELPS NARROW OUR MARKETING EFFORTS AND FOCUS.
UM, SO IT ALLOWED US TO DESIGN AND CREATE SPECIFIC MARKETING MATERIALS, UH, FOR THAT SPECIFIC SECTOR AND THEIR NEEDS.
SO THE PROJECT TIMELINE WE IDENTIFIED IN 20, IN THE 2019 STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE WERE GOING TO IDENTIFY OUR TARGET MARKET ANALYSIS.
WE CONTRACTED WITH VIRGINIA TECH AND THEIR OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN 2020.
UM, DURING THE TIME OF THE ANALYSIS, WE HAD MEMBERS FROM THE EDA INVOLVED IN THE RESEARCH, UM, ANALYZING THE DATA AND TO ENSURE ITS ACCURACY.
UM, AND THEN THE REPORT WAS COMPLETED IN 2021.
UM, AND THE ANALYSIS CAME UP WITH SIX TOTAL TARGETED INDUSTRY SECTORS, THREE IN THE EXISTING CATEGORY AND THREE IN EMERGING.
AND THEN WE JUST, AS OF YESTERDAY COMPLETED OUR MARKETING MATERIALS AND HAVE THOSE PRINTED OUT AS WELL.
SO WILL THE EXISTING INDUSTRY CLUSTERS, THESE ARE INDUSTRIES THAT ALREADY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PRESENCE IN GOOCHLAND.
UM, THEY WERE DETERMINED BY A SEPARATE SET OF DATA, INCLUDING THE NUMBER OF EXISTING COMPANIES, LOOKING AT THE EMPLOYMENT COUNT OF THESE COMPANIES, UM, LOOKING AT EDUCATION AND WORKFORCE.
SO DEGREES, EDUCATION, UM, EXCUSE ME, EDUCATION AND DEGREES CONFERRED THE LOCAL WORKFORCE.
SO ARE WE STRAPPED FOR POSITIONS? DO WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAN POSITIONS, ET CETERA.
AND THEN LOOKING AT THE INDUSTRY GROWTH BOTH REGIONALLY AND LOCALLY.
SO WE WANTED TO REALLY LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE INDUSTRIES THAT WERE ON THE RISE AND UP AND COMING.
UM, SO THIS DATA HIGHLIGHTED THREE EXISTING INDUSTRIES THAT WE SHOULD TARGET.
SO THOSE THREE EXISTING INDUSTRIES ARE FINANCIAL SERVICES AND INSURANCE, UM, CORPORATE SERVICES, WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS HEADQUARTERS AND CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO EACH OF THESE INDUSTRIES ALREADY HAS A HEAVY AND GROWING INDUSTRY PRESENCE IN GOOCHLAND.
UM, AND SO EACH OF THESE, UM, INDUSTRIES THAT ARE EXISTING, THEY ARE BEING MET, UM, BY MY COUNTERPART AND COLLEAGUE MS. SARAH WARLEY, UM, AS PART OF OUR BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION PROGRAM.
SO WHEN WE MEET WITH THEM AS PART OF THAT PROGRAM, WE ALSO WORK TO IDENTIFY ANY NEEDS, SUPPLIERS OR SUPPLY CHAINS, ISSUES, OR GAPS THAT THEY MAY HAVE.
AND THEN WE WORK FROM A NEW BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT SIDE TO ADDRESS THOSE AND WORK, TO RECRUIT THOSE COMPANIES HERE.
SO WE'LL DIVE INTO EACH OF THOSE.
UM, SO FINANCE FINANCIAL SERVICES AND INSURANCE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THOSE INDUSTRY CATEGORIES INCLUDE COMMERCIAL BANKING, CREDIT UNIONS, SECURITY BROKERS, AND INSURANCE CARRIERS.
UM, THESE COMPANIES ARE LOOKING FOR STRONG, DIVERSE WORKFORCE TO PULL FROM.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN KIND OF DO MULTIPLE JOBS WITHIN THEIR ORGANIZATION AND BE ABLE TO PROMOTE FROM WITHIN, UM, SO THOSE INDUSTRY NEEDS, AS I MENTIONED, THE WORKFORCE PIPELINE, THEY ALSO NEED INFRASTRUCTURE IN TERMS OF, UM, BROADBAND WATER AND SEWER FOR SOME OF THEIR LARGER FACILITIES AND IDEALLY A LIVE WORK, PLAY AMENITIES SO THAT WHILE THEIR, UM, EMPLOYEES ARE AT WORK, THEY CAN TAKE A LUNCH BREAK TOGETHER, HEAD OUT TO LUNCH AND STILL TALK ABOUT WORK.
UM, AND THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT FOR LARGE AREAS OF LAND TO CREATE A CAMPUS LIKE SETTING THE NEXT ONE IS CORPORATE SERVICES.
SO HEADQUARTERS OR MANAGEMENT BRANCHES OF BASICALLY ANY INDUSTRY.
UM, SO THEY ARE THE MAIN LOCATION FOR COMPANIES WHO HAVE A STRONG INFLUENCE IN MANAGEMENT DECISIONS.
UM, EXISTING COMPANIES INCLUDE CAPITAL ONE, UM, LUXTON, PFG, AND CARMAX.
UM, THOSE INDUSTRY NEEDS, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO FINANCE AND INSURANCE IN TERMS OF A STRONG AND TALENTED WORKFORCE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, THEY DO NEED ACCESS TO AN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT FOR TRAVEL FOR THEIR CEOS AND C-SUITE EXECUTIVES, AND THEN ALSO LIVE WORK PLAY ENVIRONMENT.
UM, SO THERE'S INDUSTRY CATEGORIES INCLUDE GENERAL CONTRACTORS, COMMERCIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL BUILDING, UM, DEVELOPERS AND PREFABRICATED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, TRENDS IN CONSTRUCTION ARE LEANING AWAY FROM A TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION SITE, UM, AND ARE LEANING MORE TOWARDS MODULAR OFFSITE, CONSTRUCTION, 3D PRINTINGS, AND SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS.
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YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST PLAYING TO NOT ALLOWING THE WEATHER TO KIND OF DICTATE A CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE.THEY CAN BUILD SOME OF THESE PREFABRICATED FACILITIES INDOORS, WHETHER IT'S SNOWING, RAINING, ET CETERA.
UM, THEIR INDUSTRY NEEDS, THEY HAVE A GOOD, THEY HAVE A NEED FOR A CTE PROGRAM, UM, CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION, WHICH WE ARE LUCKY AND BLESSED TO HAVE THROUGH GOOCHLAND HIGH SCHOOL.
WE ARE ONE OF THE FEW AREAS IN THE, IN THE REGION THAT ALLOW OUR STUDENTS TO GET THAT HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE BEFORE THEY GRADUATE, UM, WHICH IS REALLY IDEAL FOR THIS INDUSTRY BECAUSE THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND START RECRUITING STRAIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, UM, INSTEAD OF WAITING TILL GRADUATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND, WHICH WE ARE DEFINITELY RUNNING OUT OF.
UM, AND MOST OF THESE, UH, COMPANIES ARE LOOKING FOR HEAVIER INDUSTRIAL LAND USE.
UM, MOST OF THEM HAVE AN OUTSIDE STORAGE COMPONENT OR EQUIPMENT OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL DIVE INTO THE EMERGING INDUSTRY SECTORS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.
UM, THIS WILL ALLOW US, OH, I'M SORRY.
SO THE EMERGING INDUSTRY DATA, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR REGIONAL OVERVIEW OF INDUSTRIES, UM, COMPANY AND EMPLOYEE COUNT AS WELL, REGIONAL WORKFORCE AVAILABILITY AND REGIONAL INDUSTRY GROWTH.
SO YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE LOOKING AT A MORE REGIONAL, UM, BASIS OF INFORMATION.
SO WHILE GOOCHLAND MAY HAVE A COUPLE OF COMPANIES WITHIN THESE INDUSTRIES, THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING AT MORE OF A REGIONAL BASIS AND UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS, HOW THIS INDUSTRY WOULD WORK WELL IN GOOCHLAND, ALONG WITH THE RICHMOND REGION.
SO THE THREE EMERGING INDUSTRIES THAT CAME OUT OF THIS ANALYSIS WERE LOGISTICS, HEALTHCARE, AND LIFE SCIENCES AND FOOD AND BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING.
UM, LIKE I SAID, GOOCHLAND HAS SOME OF THESE COMPANIES ALREADY LOCATED IN THE COUNTY, BUT ARE DEFINITELY POISED FOR GROWTH.
SO LOGISTICS, THE INDUSTRY CATEGORIES INCLUDE DISTRIBUTION CENTERS.
WHAT ARE KNOWN AS LAST MILE WAREHOUSES AND FREIGHT TRANSPORTATION.
UM, WE HAVE A GREAT ESTABLISHED TRANSPORTATION NETWORK WITH INTERSTATE 64, ROUTE TWO 88 AND CONNECTIVITY TO OTHER MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, UM, AND THE DEMAND FOR NEXT DAY AND SAME DAY DELIVERY IS EXPANDING, WHICH MEANS THAT SO OUR SMALLER WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION NODES, SO NO LONGER CAN YOU JUST HAVE ONE MASSIVE WAREHOUSE, YOU NEED TO HAVE KIND OF ONE MASSIVE WAREHOUSE ALONG WITH, EXCUSE ME, SMALLER ONES IN THE REGION TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE DEMANDS.
UM, AND THOSE INDUSTRY NEEDS ARE THE ESTABLISHED TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, WHICH WE HAVE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.
SO THAT INCLUDES, UM, THE AIRPORT AND THE PORT AS WELL.
AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, INDUSTRIAL ZONED LAND, JUST FOR THAT HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, THE NEXT ONE IS HEALTHCARE AND LIFE SCIENCES.
SO THIS INDUSTRY CATEGORY INCLUDES PHYSICAL REHABILITATION, MEDICAL OFFICE, PHARMACEUTICAL RESEARCH, AND DEVELOPMENT AND MEDICAL LABORATORIES.
UM, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE MAJOR EMPLOYERS IN THE REGION.
I KNOW THE VIRGINIA TECH BIOTECH PARK, UM, OR VIRGINIA BIOTECH PARK, EXCUSE ME, JUST HAD A MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT, UM, EARLIER THIS WEEK.
AND SO THE INDUSTRY NEEDS ARE AN ESTABLISHED LIFE SCIENCE REGIONAL LATE, WHICH, UM, WE, THE RICHMOND REGION HAS.
AND SO WE'RE HOPING TO KIND OF PLAY OFF OF AND ENTICE SOME OF THOSE FOLKS, UM, THAT ARE ENTREPRENEURS ARE JUST STARTING IN THE BIOTECH PARK TO POTENTIALLY COME JUST, JUST WEST, UM, AND ESTABLISH THEIR FIRST LOCATION HERE IN GOOCHLAND, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE IN TERMS OF WATER AND, UM, BROADBAND, AND THEN A TALENTED WORKFORCE AS WELL, SEEING AS HOW MOST OF INDIVIDUALS HAVE BACHELOR'S DEGREES MASTER'S AND EVEN PHDS, AND THEN FOOD AND BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING.
SO THIS INDUSTRY INCLUDES CRAFT BEVERAGES, BUT ALSO ANIMAL FOOD AND HYDROPONIC FACILITIES LIKE GREENWELL GROWERS OFF OF HOCKET ROAD.
UM, THE INDUSTRY NEEDS, THEY HAVE A HIGH WATER INFRASTRUCTURE NEED DEPENDING ON THE USE, UM, INDUSTRIAL ZONE SPACE.
AGAIN, THERE'S SOME OUTDOOR STORAGE, UM, AS WELL AS AN ADAPTIVE WORKFORCE, A LOT OF THESE, UM, ORGANIZATIONS OR COMPANIES, EXCUSE ME, IF THEY'RE NOT ESTABLISHED, UM, NEED THEIR EMPLOYEES TO BE ABLE TO WEAR MULTIPLE HATS AT THE TIME.
SO GO FROM A BREWER TO MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, POURING TAPS FOR PEOPLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THEY MIGHT BE DOING THE SUPPLY CHAIN AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT'S FOOD AND BEVERAGE.
AND THEN, SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED THESE SIX INDUSTRIES AND WE MOVED TO MARKETING MATERIALS.
AND SO ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WEST CREEK BUSINESS PARK, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND BROKEN UP WEST CREEK INTO SEVEN DIFFERENT CAMPUSES.
THE IDEA IS THAT AN EXTERNAL PARTY LOOKING AT WEST CREEK AS A WHOLE JUST SEES 1700 ACRES OF AVAILABLE LAND.
UM, AND DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN.
SO WE'VE BROKEN IT UP INTO VARIOUS CAMPUSES.
UM, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THEM HAVE AS LITTLE
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AS I THINK IT SAYS 57 ACRES AVAILABLE AND CAMPUS SIX IS ACTUALLY COMPLETELY FULL.UM, BUT THIS ALLOWS US TO BETTER USE OUR TARGETED MARKETING MATERIALS, WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UM, AND THAT'S THE PIECE THAT WAS COMPLETED AS OF YESTERDAY.
UM, SO WE'VE CREATED ONE OF THESE FOR EACH OF OUR TARGETED INDUSTRIES.
UM, SO THIS IS THE FRONT PIECE THAT KIND OF DIVES INTO OUR, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, IT'LL GO THROUGH MAJOR EMPLOYERS AS WELL AS MAJOR REGIONAL EMPLOYERS.
UM, AND THEN THE LEFT, IT TALKS ABOUT THAT INDUSTRY DATA.
SO WE'VE CUSTOMIZED EACH OF THESE BASED ON THE REGION OR EXCUSE ME, BASED ON THE INDUSTRY THAT THEY WOULD BE SHOWCASING.
AND THEN THE BACKSIDE OF IT, DIVES INTO WORKFORCE AND EDUCATION.
SO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES, UM, COLLEGE DEGREES, DEGREES, CONFERRED, UM, AND ANY OTHER EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THAT INDUSTRY.
AND SO OUR NEXT STEPS, NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR MARKETING MATERIALS, UM, FINALIZED, WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON DISTRIBUTING THEM.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, THE WEBSITE, AS WELL AS REACHING OUT TO SITE LOCATION CONSULTANTS.
UM, THE FOLKS AT THE STATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENCY, VDP, UM, AND LETTING THEM KNOW, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE RECRUITING AND LOOKING FOR.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, GROUPING THEM WITH AVAILABLE BUILDINGS AND SITES.
SO NOT ONLY DO WE WANT FOOD AND BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING, BUT HERE'S WHERE WE THINK IT SHOULD GO.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING WITH OUR WORKFORCE PIPELINE TO TALK THROUGH WHAT JOBS ARE THERE, WHAT ARE THEY STRUGGLING WITH AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR, UM, INDUSTRY CLUSTERS, WE'LL BE SHARING WITH LOCAL LANDOWNERS AND DEVELOPERS.
WELL, TO LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THESE ARE WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON.
THIS IS WHERE INCENTIVES MAY BE APPLIED OR NOT APPLIED.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY HELP THEM KIND OF, EXCUSE ME, FINE TUNE THAT.
AS WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE FACT THAT OUR BUILDINGS AND SITES, WE HAVE ABOUT 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, UM, AND THAT'S DROPPING VERY QUICK.
IT IT'S, UM, A BLESSING AND A CURSE TO NOT HAVE ANY AVAILABILITY.
IT MEANS THAT, UM, IT'S TURNING OVER VERY QUICK, BUT WE ALSO, WHEN WE GET A PROJECT BETWEEN SARAH AND MYSELF, I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 24 PROJECTS AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPACE TO PUT THEM.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR KIND OF THOSE DEVELOPERS TO HOPEFULLY BUILD SOME INDUSTRIAL SPACE AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MOVE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS ALONG.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST BULLET POINT, WE'RE HOPING THIS FALL TO HOST, UM, SITE SELECTORS IN GOOCHLAND.
SO BRING THEM IN, TORE THEM AROUND WEST CREEK AND OTHER, UM, AVAILABLE BUILDINGS AND SITES.
UM, SHOW THEM KIND OF THE INDUSTRIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, BRINGING IN AND THEN AS WELL, HAVING OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES TALK TO THE BENEFITS OF BEING HERE.
NO ONE SAYS IT BETTER THAN A BUSINESS OWNER.
WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR 10, 20 YEARS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND LOVES BEING HERE.
SO I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
ALL RIGHT, MR. HERBERT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS.
I JUST GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UH, FOR ONE THE MARKETING MATERIALS WILL BE ON OUR WEBSITE.
CAUSE WE CAN'T READ ANY OF THIS.
UM, AND SO SOME OF THE EXISTING INDUSTRIES AND JUST REAL CURIOUS, CAUSE I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER PLACES ON OUR FINANCIAL SERVICES INSURANCE, BASICALLY OFFICE SPACE.
UM, AND I KNOW, UM, INNSBROOK IS LOOKING AT TURNING OVER OFFICE SPACE TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO DO YOU SEE THAT? ANYTHING W WHAT ARE YOU SEEING ON THAT FRONT HERE IN GOOGLE? SO WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME ISSUE THAT INNSBROOK HAS.
UM, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH OFFICE SPACE.
SO WHEN OUR OFFICE SPACE COMES UP ON THE MARKET, UM, IF IT'S ANYTHING ABOVE 2000 SQUARE FEET, IT'S, IT TURNS OVER REALLY QUICK.
UM, IT IS DEFINITELY IN THE HIGHER DEMAND.
I THINK WE DO HAVE A FAIR NUMBER OF IN-HOME OFFICE OR IN-HOME BUSINESSES AS WELL, THAT ARE KIND OF LOOKING FOR THAT OUT OF THE HOUSE SPACE, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE LAST YEAR IN COVID.
AND I KNOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN WE, UM, REDESIGNED AND REMODELED CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INCUBATOR SPACE.
THERE, ARE WE USING THAT AT ALL? I KNOW THAT'S MUCH SMALLER.
AND I THINK THAT HAD BEEN A GRAND PLAN AS WELL FOR THE SECOND FLOOR OF OUR BUILDING AS A POTENTIAL FOR ENTREPRENEURIAL SPACE.
UM, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE INQUIRIES REGARDING THAT, BUT NOT, UM, NOT SUBSTANTIAL YET, BUT WE DO HAVE IT ON OUR STRATEGIC PLAN TO EXPLORE THAT AS AN OPTION.
AND WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT EMERGENCE, UH, MARK EMERGING INDUSTRY INDUSTRIES, DID WE LOOK AT, UM, TOURISM? YEAH, SO, ABSOLUTELY.
AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
SO OUR, UM, UH, FOOD AND BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE TOURISM EFFORT AS WELL, KIND OF CONNECTING, UH, THE CORPORATE SERVICES FROM THE EXISTING IN TERMS OF THAT LIVE, WORK, PLAY AMENITY.
AND SO THE CRAFT BEVERAGES OR CRAFT FOOD OR HYDROPONIC FACILITY DO
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CONTRIBUTE TO THE TOURISM INDUSTRY, BUT WE DIDN'T LOOK AT TOURISM AS A WHOLE IN TERMS OF RECRUITING TOURISM ACTIVITIES.DID THAT ANSWER? NO, NOT EXACTLY.
SO, UH, SO DO WE CONSIDER TOURISM AS IMPORTANT INDUSTRY FOR THE COUNTY? YES.
UM, IT'S JUST NOT ONE THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY RECRUIT LIKE TOURISM ACTIVITIES INTO, IF THAT MAKES SENSE AS ITS OWN SEPARATE ENTITY.
SO WE'LL BE MANAGING THE TOURISM EFFORTS ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY AS A EXISTING OR EMERGING INDUSTRY.
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING, THAT IS OUR CRAFT BREWERIES.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT TALKING, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SMALLER CRAFT BREWERIES, DISTILLERIES, CIDERIES, THOSE KINDS OF WINERIES, RIGHT.
THERE'S ALSO LIKE, UM, UH, HERBAL TEAS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT MAY COME COME ONLINE OR, UM, IN ANY OF THOSE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY ALCOHOLIC.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
UM, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THE SPADE WORK ON IDENTIFYING WHAT I'LL CALL, JUST, YOU KNOW, NATURAL OPPORTUNITIES OR ORGANIC OPPORTUNITIES, THE ONES THAT ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE, WE JUST NEEDED TO KNOW WHAT THEY WERE AND WHERE THEY WERE AND HOW THEY WERE, AND IS A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH ON THAT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING WELL, WHAT WE'RE ALREADY POSITIONED TO DO AND KIND OF NATURAL, ORGANIC KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT DONE IN A VACUUM THAT THOSE GEARS NEED TO BE CONNECTED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN THAT NEEDS TO BE CONNECTED TO OUR ORDINANCES AND OUR TAX CODE AND ECONOMIC INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS NEED TO KIND OF, IF WE'RE GOING TO MAXIMIZE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THESE PIECES ARE WORKING TOGETHER.
SO THE FIRST PIECE IS TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, DO THE HOMEWORK AND DO THE RESEARCH AND FIND OUT WHAT WE'RE ALREADY GOOD AT AND WHAT WE'RE NATURALLY POSITIONED TO DO.
AND THEN WE NEED TO KIND OF TAKE IT FROM THERE AND GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND MAKE SURE WE INTEGRATE EVERYTHING.
SO WHEN WE RECEIVE A PROJECT FROM SAY V E D P ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DO IS KIND OF ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A USE WE WOULD WANT IN THE COUNTY.
UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, WE LOOK AT KIND OF BUILDINGS AND SITES, AND WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE.
UM, DOES IT MATCH THEIR TIMELINE, YOU KNOW, IS EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD USE? OKAY.
AND THEN THE, THE ONE, UM, CHART OF EXISTING LAND WE'VE DIVIDED WEST CREEK AND NEW CAMPUSES, UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OTHER LAND AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT EITHER MAY OR MAY NOT ALREADY BE REZONED OR HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR WHATEVER.
UM, SO THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES BEYOND WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
UM, BUT WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WITH TARA AND I, BY THE WAY, I APPLAUD THE EFFORT TO CARVE THAT INTO BITE SIZE PIECES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UM, IT JUST MAKES IT MORE DIGESTIBLE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, BUT I DON'T WANT, AND THEN OF COURSE THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.
SO, UM, AND, AND I GUESS FOLLOWING THAT LOGIC IS, UH, WE WE'VE IDENTIFIED WHAT WE'RE ALREADY NATURALLY POSITIONED FOR, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO CONFINE OURSELVES JUST TO THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING, THAT THERE, MAYBE SOME THINGS AT THE MARGIN TO EXTEND THINGS IN CERTAIN DIRECTIONS AND COMPLIMENTARY OR FEEDER SUPPLY CHAIN TYPE STUFF THAT WE COULD AROUND THAT.
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE GET A PROJECT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT DOESN'T FALL INTO ONE OF THE SIX CATEGORIES, WE STILL, UM, GO DOWN THE PATH OF, YOU KNOW, IS IT AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THE COUNTY? WHERE WOULD IT BE AN APPROPRIATE USE? UM, AND THEN WE WERE, LIKE I SAID, WE WORK WITH KIND OF ZONING ON THAT.
AND THEN WE'VE LOOKED AT ADDITIONALLY, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
UM, WE'VE GOT A LIST OF ACTIVE PROJECTS ON OUR WEBSITE, UM, AND THEIR LAND NEEDS SO THAT IF ANYONE WHO IS POTENTIALLY INTERESTED IN REZONING SELLING, ET CETERA, OR DEVELOPING THEIR LAND, WE HAVE AN ACTIVE LIST SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT THOSE LAND NEEDS ARE.
SO, UM, KIND OF THE, ALL OTHER EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES, THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED YET, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO TURN DOWN OUT OF HAND DEPENDING ON IF THEY FIT.
THE, THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE REAL QUICK, UH, I DON'T WANNA TAKE TOO MUCH TIME HERE IS, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY INSIGHT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, ATTRACTING AND RETAINING AND EXPANDING, AND PRESUMABLY YOU'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH OUR EXISTING FOLKS, WE'VE GOT A FAIR NUMBER OF OFFICES, PERFORMANCE FOOD GROUP, AND FARM BUREAU AND CARMAX AND CAP.
ONE OF THOSE, HAVE WE GOT ANY EARLY INDICATION AS TO WHETHER THOSE LIGHTS ARE GOING TO GO BACK ON OR WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO SHIFT TO AN ALTERNATE WAY TO DO THINGS? YEAH.
SO WE ARE STILL GETTING, UM, I KNOW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS STILL
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RECEIVING BUILDING PERMITS FOR LIKE CAP ONE.UM, THEY'RE REDOING MAINLY INTERIOR UPFITS.
UM, SO THAT, TO US TELLS US THAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO COME BACK OTHERWISE.
WHY WOULD YOU BE INVESTING MONEY IN A BUILDING YOU PLAN TO VACATE? UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A LOT OF THE OFFICE SPACE AND USERS ARE COMING BACK JUST IN A DIFFERENT CAPACITY.
SO THEY'RE EITHER COMING BACK WITH A B SHIFTS OR THEY'RE ALLOWING CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS TO WORK FROM HOME.
UM, BUT I THINK YOU WILL SEE A STRONG RETURN, UH, TO THE FACILITIES.
YOU, YOU MAY BE CLOSER TO THAT THAN MOST PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY JUST OF YOUR CONTACT WITH THEM.
SO IF YOU CAN KEEP US UP TO DATE ON ALL OF THAT, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
THIS IS, THIS IS, I THINK WE, I SENT THROUGH PROBABLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME WITH THIS, BUT MR. SHARP, JUST VERY QUICKLY, I HAVE.
IT'S FASCINATING BECAUSE ALL I'M SUPPOSED TO TALK TO THE HEAD SAY THAT NOBODY WANTS OFFICE SPACE.
NOBODY'S LOOKING FOR OFFICE SPACE, JUST IT'S IT'S, THERE'S A GLUT.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE A SHORTAGE.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS EXPRESSED ANY INTEREST IN BUILDING SPEC OFFICE SPACE? YES.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INTERESTED OR POTENTIALLY INTERESTED IN BUILDING THAT SPECULATIVE OFFICE SPACE.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING SPECIFICALLY TO HAVE ONE MAJOR TENANT ON BOARD, AND THEN THEY WOULD CONSIDER DOING, UM, TWO BUILDINGS OF EQUAL SIZE IN THE COUNTY, IT'S IN THE COUNTY AND THEY PROPERLY DESIGNATED AREA OF THE COUNTY.
SO THEREFORE ALSO INDUSTRIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT AND IT WAS IMMEDIATELY LEASED UP.
IS ANYBODY EXPRESSED ANY INTEREST IN BUILDING ANY INDUSTRIAL SPACE? YEAH, SO WE WE'VE HAD A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE CAME TO US PRIOR TO, UM, COVID EXPRESSING THEIR INTEREST IN BUILDING SOME SPECULATIVE INDUSTRIAL SPACE COVID HIT AND THEIR INITIAL REACTION WAS LET US MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO END UP WITH THREE EMPTY BUILDINGS AT THE END OF THE PANDEMIC AND THEN BUILDING A FOURTH.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST NOW KIND OF STARTING TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AGAIN ABOUT POTENTIALLY GETTING THOSE SPECULATIVE BUILDINGS ONLINE.
WE DO HAVE A SPECULATIVE BUILDING INCENTIVE, UM, AND THE LAST THREE BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT THAT WAY WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE NEEDED THE INCENTIVE BECAUSE THEY WERE FULLY LEASED BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN FINISHED BUILT.
SO THEY'RE AT LEAST ANSWERING YOUR PHONE CALLS.
UM, SO I'M, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT WE HAVE AN INCENTIVE.
I, I, I HEAR A LOT FROM YOU AND WHEN I WATCHED THE EDA MEANS LIKE I, IF I HAD IT, I COULD FILL IT.
UM, SO MY, I GUESS MY CHARGE AND MY REQUEST OF, OF YOUR TEAM IS LET THIS BOARD KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR FOLKS TO OUR, BECAUSE I GET THE SENSE, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WOULD MOVE HERE, THE FACILITIES ARE HERE, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO BUILD THEMSELVES.
SO HOW DO WE MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR THOSE TO ACTUALLY BUILD THOSE FACILITIES FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO? YEAH.
AND I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT CHANGE NOW THAT WE'RE KIND OF, LIKE I SAID, OUT OF COVID CODA, COVID THROUGH A MAJOR WRENCH AND KIND OF SOME OF OUR SPECULATIVE BUILD PLANS.
WE HAD PROBABLY ABOUT THREE TO FOUR WHO WERE ALL INTERESTED, UM, AND KIND OF READY TO START GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF A POTENTIAL SPECULATIVE SPACE BUILD WHEN COVID HIT.
AND LIKE I SAID, THEY REALLY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR TENANTS WERE OKAY.
THEIR SPACES WERE FILLED AND THEY, THEY WEREN'T TOO, UM, THINLY STRAPPED, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE GOT THROUGH IT.
SO NOW AS WE KIND OF RAMP UP THOSE CONVERSATIONS AGAIN, I'M HOPING THAT THEY'LL MOVE A LITTLE, A LITTLE QUICKER AND A LITTLE SMOOTHER KNOWING HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE TO FILL THOSE FACILITIES.
AND THIS IS SUPER IMPORTANT TO KNOW TOO, BECAUSE WE, I GET A LOT OF CALLS FROM DEVELOPERS SAYING, HEY, YOU GOT THE ZONE BUSINESS, BUT PLEASE DO RESIDENT.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM YOU.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO PUT THIS TOGETHER, TO HELP US KNOW WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UH, THE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IS, IS THE WELL 50,000 SQUARE FEET YOU SAID, AND, AND FAST, BUT I DIDN'T CATCH.
I'VE JUST GOTTEN BY ME THE TYPE OF TYPE OF SPACE THAT IS THE TYPE OF BUILDING 50,000.
SO IT'S, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY A VARIETY, BUT MOST OF THAT IS, UM, SMALL INDUSTRIAL SPACES.
SO YEAH, THE LARGEST CONTIGUOUS SPACE WE HAVE IS ABOUT 8,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO ANYTHING, ANY PROJECT THAT COMES FROM A STATE LEVEL OR A DEVELOPER WHO CALLS US, UM, ANYTHING OVER 10,000, WE, WE CAN'T EVEN SUBMIT A SITE FOR.
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YEAH, EXACTLY.WELL THAT, THAT'S AN OBSTACLE.
SO HAS, HAS THE TECH OFFICE OF ECONOMIC GOALS.
I THINK YOU GAVE US THAT REPORT A WHILE BACK.
NOT THAT I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT HERE.
IS IT, IS IT AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE? NOT AS OF YET, BUT WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE WEBSITE.
UH, THERE'S NO HARM IN DOING SO.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO LOOK FOR BECAUSE I REMEMBER SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT PROMPTED SOME THOUGHTS WHEN, WHEN WE LOOKED AT ORIGINALLY, SO THAT REPORTS DOWN MARKETING MATERIALS, YOU'RE FINISHING UP.
SO THE PROJECT, YOUR PROJECT TIMELINE SLIDE, NUMBER FIVE, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH DONE WITH THE PROJECT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU NOW HAVE INFORMATION THAT YOU THINK IS, IS YOU BELIEVE, IS GOING TO BEAT UP, IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO REALLY BECOME A STRONGER PARTNER.
SO I ACTUALLY MET WITH THEM LAST WEEK.
UM, THEY HAD, I HAD SENT THEM THE WEST CREEK MATERIALS AND THEY WERE LIKE, OH, THIS IS FANTASTIC.
OUR, UM, NEW PROJECT MANAGERS WHO HAVE COME ON BOARD, IT'S GREAT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF SEE IT AND BREAK IT DOWN.
AND THEY ACTUALLY BROUGHT TWO REPRESENTATIVES OUT HERE AND I TOOK THEM ON A TOUR OF WEST CREEK.
UM, AND WE AS STAFF KIND OF SAT WITH THEM IN OUR OFFICE AND TALKED THROUGH, UM, OUR, WE WENT OVER OUR TARGETED INDUSTRIES TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND SO THEY SAID, AS SOON AS THOSE MARKETING MATERIALS ARE READY, PLEASE SEND THEM TO US.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE HOPING TO GET ON THEIR CALENDAR IN JULY OR AUGUST.
UM, AND WE WOULD GO UP THERE AND PRESENT TO THEIR ENTIRE STAFF TO LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THESE ARE OUR TARGETED INDUSTRIES.
HERE'S WHY HERE'S THE BUILDINGS AND SITES THAT PAIR VERY WELL WITH THEM.
UM, AND HOPE TO KIND OF JUST INFORM THEM AND GIVE THEM MORE INFORMATION AS THEY RECEIVE THESE PROJECTS.
I MEAN, WHEN I HEAR YOU SAY THAT, IT JUST REMINDS ME OF THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS.
YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE, SO I KNOW YOU YOU'RE YOU'RE, THIS IS FAMILIAR TO YOU, BUT WHEN WE HAD THEM THERE AT DRIVE SHACK, WE BOUGHT THEM OUT.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HERE WE ARE TWO YEARS LATER, THEY'RE LIKE, OH WOW.
YOU KNOW, SO YOU'VE GOT TO STAY IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND THEY DO HAVE SOME TURNOVER ISSUES THAT WE, UM, YEAH.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S PART OF THAT REASON.
SO I THINK TWO YEARS AGO OR SO, UM, WE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF THEM AT THAT TIME.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TARGETING.
WE CAN'T JUST BRING YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T JUST KIND OF THROW IT AT YOU AND SEE WHAT STICKS.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S PART OF WHERE THIS TARGETED INDUSTRY ANALYSIS CAME FROM.
WE, WE DO HAVE TIGHT AGENDA, BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO MS. LAST GLITZ TOURISM QUESTION.
UM, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE'S VIRGINIA TOURISM COMPANY, IS IT, OR IS IT CORPORATION CORPORATION? YOU HAVE A BTC
SO I THINK I WAS HEARING MOST LAST FLATTEN OUT.
MY SENSE WHEN SHE WAS ASKING THE QUESTION WAS, AGAIN, WHAT, I GUESS, I THINK THE PLAN SHOULD KIND OF BE IN PLACE AS PART OF THE ECONOMIC DIVIDE.
I GUESS IT JUST, THE PIECES DON'T SEEM TO QUITE BE JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE FITTING QUITE AS SMOOTHLY AS THEY SHOULD IN THAT, IN THAT TOURISM.
SO WE WILL DEFINITELY BE INCORPORATING MORE TOURISM INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
TOURISM IN AN INDUSTRY IS NOT TYPICALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU ADD AS LIKE A TARGET SECTOR TO RECRUIT TO.
UM, BUT IT DEFINITELY WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE OTHER INDUSTRIES THAT WE'VE ANALYZED AS WELL AS MOVING FORWARD, UM, AND PROMOTING TOURISM THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND KIND OF LINKING EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND, AND WE NEED HELP FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
IS THAT THE REASON FOR IT? YEAH.
SO THE STRATEGIC PLAN WITH THE VTC, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN, UM, SINCE NONE OF US HAVE EVER DONE A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR TOURISM SPECIFICALLY, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN AND REVIEW THE PLAN WE'VE WRITTEN, UM, AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS? WHAT ABOUT THIS? HEY, IF A LONG-TERM GOAL IS X, MAYBE WE NEED TO BUILD UP WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE ITEMS FIRST.
WELL OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE DISCUSSIONS, I THINK, PARTICULARLY ON THE TOURISM PIECE, BECAUSE THAT CAN KIND OF BE VITAL AS WE, I MEAN, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE VILLAGE AND THE VILLAGE PLAN THAT I'M PUSHING FOR.
AS SOON AS WE CAN GET TO THE POINT, WE CAN DO IT, HAVE A VILLAGE PLAN, BUT YOU THINK ABOUT THE, THE RESOURCES HERE.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE DOWN AT TUCKER PARK, A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE WALKWAY.
THERE'S A LOT OF RESOURCES, POTENTIAL FOR TRAILS AND ALL THIS REGIONAL MONEY THAT'S COMING BACK FROM CTV.
THANK YOU FOR COMING UP WITHOUT ME HAVING TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S NEXT, MR. LONG UTILITIES REPORT.
[4. Presentation of Public Utilities Annual Report, June 2021]
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GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MATT LONGSHORE, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC UTILITIES.AND I'M HAPPY TO PRESENT FOR YOU THIS AFTERNOON, OUR ANNUAL REPORT.
SO FIRST OF ALL, OUR PRIMARY FUNCTION IS TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER SERVICES TO OUR OVER 2000, UH, CUSTOMERS IN BOTH THE EAST END AND COURTHOUSE SERVICE AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
OUT OF BREAK THAT DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER, UH, JUST UNDER 1700 OF THOSE CUSTOMERS ARE RESIDENTIAL AND JUST OVER THREE HUNDREDS, UH, OUR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS TO PUT THAT INTO CONTEXT.
WHEN I STARTED HERE BACK IN, UH, 2012, UH, WE HAD JUST AROUND 1200 CUSTOMERS.
SO SINCE THEN, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT A 66% INCREASE IN FOR SMALL LOCALITY.
UH, IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO KNOW SOME OF THOSE CUSTOMERS ARE LARGE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, INCLUDING CAPITAL ONE, CARMAX, UH, SOME OF THOSE WEST CREEK BUSINESSES, UH, THAT EMPLOY, UH, HUNDREDS TO THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES, UH, EVERY DAY.
SO NEEDLESS TO SAY, UH, THOUSANDS OF COUNTY RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS EMPLOYEES USE OUR SERVICES ON A DAILY BASIS, WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES BY OPERATING EIGHT SEWER PUMP STATIONS, UH, TWO WATER BOOSTER, PUMP STATIONS, THREE WATER STORAGE TANKS, ONE CHLORINE BOOSTER STATION, AND APPROXIMATELY 152 MILES OF PIPELINE.
UM, APPROXIMATELY APPROXIMATELY GROWING EVERY DAY, GROWING EVERY DAY, UH, WHEN I STARTED MAKING THESE PRESENTATIONS, IT WAS AROUND 140 MILES OF PIPELINE.
SO AGAIN, OUR SYSTEM ALONG WITH OUR CUSTOMER BASE ARE, ARE CONSISTENTLY GROWING, UH, JUST TO GO OVER SOME DAILY FUNCTIONS OF OUR DEPARTMENTS.
UH, WE COMPLETE ROUTINE WATER QUALITY SAMPLING, UH, TO REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
UH, THAT INCLUDES MONTHLY BACTERIOLOGICAL SAMPLING, UH, QUARTERLY AND ANNUAL DISINFECTION BYPRODUCTS SAMPLING AS WELL AS LEAD AND COPPER SAMPLING EVERY THREE YEARS.
UH, ONCE WE COMPLETE ALL THAT SAMPLING AND GET THE RESULTS BACK FROM THE LAB, WE COMPILE THAT DATA INTO REPORTS AND MAKE THOSE REPORTS AVAILABLE.
UH, THOSE ARE LOCATED ON OUR WEBSITE, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC TEXAS AT THEIR CONVENIENCE.
WE ALSO SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH OUR DAMAGE PREVENTION ACTIVITIES.
WE ARE A MEMBER OF THE VA EIGHT ONE ONE ORGANIZATION, AND WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR LOCATING ALL PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WITHIN THE COUNTY, UH, IN, IN 2020 AND CALENDAR YEAR 2020, UH, WE RESPONDED TO OVER 4,200 VA EIGHT ONE ONE LOCATE TICKETS.
SO JUST TO CRUNCH THE NUMBERS, UH, THAT'S RIGHT AROUND 16, UH, TICKETS A DAY, GIVE OR TAKE.
WE ALSO COMPLETE LOTS AND LOTS OF CONSTRUCTION INSPECTIONS FOR OUR PUBLIC UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, WHETHER IT'S ON OUR OWN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS OR DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN PROJECTS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERY STICK, A PIPE THAT GOES INTO GROUND.
EVERY VALVE, EVERY FIRE HYDRANT, OR LIKEWISE IS INSPECTED PRIOR TO TAKING THIS INFRASTRUCTURE INTO THE PUBLIC SYSTEM.
AND WE ALSO READ OVER 2000 METERS BY MONTHLY AND ARE PROUD TO SAY THAT WE PROCESS ALL OF OUR BILLING PROCEDURES IN-HOUSE, UH, WITH OUR OWN STAFF.
THE ONLY THING WE DON'T DO IN HOUSE IS PRINTING AND MAILING OF THE BILLS.
WE ALSO MAINTAIN A, A VERY COMPREHENSIVE GIS DATABASE AND GIS STANDS FOR GEOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION SYSTEM.
SO ANYTIME ANY NEW INFRASTRUCTURE COMES INTO OUR SYSTEM, WE ADD IT TO THE DATABASE.
WE ALSO ADD ATTRIBUTES, UM, TO THIS DATA.
AND BASICALLY WE USE THIS AS A TOOL IN ORDER TO TRACK WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING.
SO, UH, WE ALSO USE A MOBILE VERSION OF THIS TO, TO BE ABLE TO LOCATE INFRASTRUCTURE OUT IN THE FIELD.
UH, AND AGAIN, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT TOOL THAT, UH, MYSELF AND OUR FIELD STAFF USE ON A DAILY BASIS.
SO, UM, UPDATED SYSTEM USAGE NUMBERS FOR YOU IN OUR GOOCHLAND COURTHOUSE SERVICE AREA, UH, LAST YEAR.
AND THIS IS FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2020, UH, AVERAGE DAILY WATER USES, WHICH WAS JUST UNDER 80,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
AND THAT REPRESENTS 8% OF OUR TOTAL ALLOCATION IN THE COURTHOUSE FOR AVERAGE DAILY SEWER USAGE.
THAT WAS JUST UNDER 54,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
UH, THAT REPRESENTS A 40% OF OUR TOTAL ALLOCATION IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA.
WE ANTICIPATE WHEN SOME OF THESE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS REALLY START GOING ONLINE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, THOSE NUMBERS WILL WE'LL GO UP,
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WHICH NUMBERS WILL GO UP THE USAGE, OR BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING CAPACITY, CORRECT? CORRECT.THE, THE USAGE NUMBERS, BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
MR. LUMPKIN, THE CAPACITY ALLOCATION WILL AS WELL.
WE'RE WORKING ON A SEWER CAPACITY RIGHT NOW.
SO YEAH, UH, FOR THE EAST END SYSTEM, THE AVERAGE DAILY WATER USAGE FOR LAST YEAR, UH, WAS JUST OVER A MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, REPRESENTING 4.2% OF OUR TOTAL ALLOCATION.
UM, AVERAGE DAILY SEWER USAGE WAS JUST UNDER 600,000 GALLONS PER DAY, UH, WHICH IS AROUND 3.7% OF OUR TOTAL ALLOCATION ON THE EAST END.
SO FOR GOALS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS, UH, WE GOT, WE GOT A FEW THINGS DONE LAST YEAR.
UM, ONE I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WAS WE COMPLETED THE INSTALLATION OF A 1600 FOOT WATER LINE EXTENSION ALONG PATTERSON AVENUE.
UH, THIS WAS PHASE ONE OF A MUCH LARGER PROJECT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON.
UH, BUT THE MAIN TAKEAWAY FROM THIS PROJECT IS, UH, THIS WATERLINE HAS DEMENTIA, WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN SOLVING A CRITICAL NEED TO SOME BUSINESSES ALONG PATTERSON AVENUE AND REALLY GAVE THEM A RELIABLE SOURCE OF WATER TO CONNECT TO, UH, OTHER GOALS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR OUR HICKORY HAVEN, UH, SEWER SERVICE PROJECT.
WE ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLETE WITH ENGINEERING DESIGN.
UH, WE ARE ALMOST COMPLETE WITH EASEMENT ACQUISITION, UM, HOPE TO BE COMPLETE WITH THAT VERY SOON.
UH, ONCE THAT IS COMPLETE, WE WILL BE BIDDING THIS JOB FOR CONSTRUCTION AND FOR OUR JENKINS TRAILER PARK WATER CONNECTION.
UH, THAT'S A STATE FUNDED PROJECT FUNDED BY VDH, UH, USING FEDERAL DOLLARS.
SO, UH, IT TOOK A WHILE TO GET TO, UH, CONSTRUCTION BIDDING, BUT WE ARE THERE, WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF CONSTRUCTION BIDDING, AND, UH, WE HOPE TO HAVE A, UH, CONTRACTOR UNDER CONTRACT AND BRING THAT TO YOU NEXT MEETING.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO GET THAT PROJECT UNDERWAY.
SO A COUPLE OTHER THINGS WE DID THIS PAST YEAR, WE UPDATED OUR FIVE-YEAR, UH, UTILITY MASTER PLAN.
UM, OUR SHOULD SAY WE COMPLETED A FIVE-YEAR UPDATE OF OUR UTILITY MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED BACK IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR.
WE ALSO UPDATED OUR WATER WASTEWATER RATE STUDY.
UM, THIS WAS COMPLETED IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR AND WAS PRESENTED WITH OUR BUDGET PRESENTATION.
UM, THIS RATE STUDY IS CHOCK FULL OF GOOD INFORMATION, PROVIDES A FOUR YEAR OUTLOOK FOR USER AND CONNECTION FEES.
UM, AS WELL AS IT ALSO PROJECTS OUT OUR OPERATING EXPENSES OF REVENUES, OUR CAPITAL FUND AND RNR FUNDS, AND IT INCLUDES BENCHMARK RATES WITH OTHER LOCALITIES IN THE AREA OPERATIONALLY.
WE COMPLETED PAINTING OF THE COURTHOUSE TANK, BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE.
LAST YEAR, WE, UH, REVIEWED, UH, MANY, MANY UTILITY PLAN SETS, UH, COVERING ABOUT 50,000 LINEAR FEET, UH, UH, SEWER WATER AND SEWER LINES FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
WE INSTALLED 162 METERS FOR NEW UTILITY CUSTOMERS.
AND AS PART AS OUR METER OR AS PART OF OUR METER MAINTENANCE, UH, PROGRAM REPLACE 139 METERS FOR EXISTING CUSTOMERS, UH, IN THE FUTURE, WE HOPE TO COMPLETE ENGINEERING AND DESIGNED, UH, IF YOU CANNOT HEALS, UM, UH, WHAT ARE UPGRADES AND SEWER SERVICE PROJECT? UH, WE ALSO HOPE TO, UH, COMMIT TO CONSTRUCTION OF THE HICKORY HAVEN SERVER, UH, SEWER SERVICE PROJECT.
UH, WE HOPE TO COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION OF JENKINS TRAILER, JENKINS, TRAILER PARK, WATER CONNECTION.
WE'D LIKE TO COMPLETE AN INI STUDY FOR THE COURTHOUSE SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM.
AND IT'S ALWAYS CONTINUED TO MEET AND EXCEED ALL STATE AND FEDERAL STANDARDS FOR OUR DRINKING WATER QUALITY LAST BUT NOT LEAST.
I LIKE TO GIVE A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF, UM, WITHOUT THEIR DEDICATION HARD WORK AND RESPONSIVENESS TO OUR CUSTOMERS.
THERE'S NO WAY ANY OF THIS CAN GET DONE.
SO I WANTED TO GIVE, UH, A BIG SHOUT OUT TO THEM, UH, WITH THAT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO WITH THAT, THAT STAT, IF YOU JUST SHOWED US, YOU GET 16 PER DAY UTILITY, UM, UH, VA ONE, ONE LOCATE TICKETS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE TWO GUYS ON THE BOTTOM, RIGHT, THEY'RE OUT THERE RUNNING AROUND.
UH, NOT, NOT ALL OF THOSE TICKETS NECESSARILY NEED TO BE MARKED IN THE FIELD, BUT WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THEM.
MOST OF THEM DO SOME TICKETS ARE REMARK TICKETS, WHATNOT, BUT THAT WAS A BIG NUMBER THERE THAT I THOUGHT FOR SURE, THAT KEEPS US VERY, VERY BUSY.
YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS INFORMATIVE.
I APPRECIATE ALL YOU'RE DOING.
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NO QUESTIONS.JUST ONE, JUST ONE MORE REAL QUICK.
AND I MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, MATT.
I MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, AT LEAST THREE WATER TANKS.
I THINK YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR OVERVIEW AND THEY'RE ALL THE ONE WAS JUST, THE COURTHOUSE WAS JUST PAINTED INSIDE NOW.
UH, TWO OF THEM, UM, HAVE GOOCHLAND COUNTY AND RED LETTERS AND THE REST IN BLACK MATTERS.
ONE OF THEM AS GOOCHLAND COUNTY AND SMALL BLACK MATTERS, AND HE MIGHT BE AWARE OF THIS OR YOU CAN HEAR GOTCHA.
SO IF, AND WHEN IT COMES TIME, YOU WOULD JUST BUY SOME PAIN LADDER.
WE'D LIKE TO FIX THAT THEY SOME BUNGEE CORDS AND SOME, UH, WORKMAN'S COMP INSURANCE.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, YOU GET WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.
SO WHEN IT COMES TIME, YOU DID MENTION, YOU JUST DID THE ONE AND AS YOU ROTATE AND DO THEM ALL, THAT'S JUST MAYBE SOME WAY TO GET, THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING AND ROWE HE'S MENTIONED THIS.
I, I STILL HAVE THE NOTES FROM THE, THE BUDGET PRESENTATION.
SO, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THOSE CONSISTENT AS THEY ARE.
I'LL START OUT WITH, I MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE.
I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND GET IT DONE BEFORE NEXT MONTH.
HOW ABOUT THAT GOING WITH THIS? YOU COULD JUST KNOCK THAT OUT.
THAT'S SUCH AN EASY THING TO DO.
[5. 4029: Appointments - June 1, 2021]
YEAH.BEFORE WE GO INTO CLOSE MEETING IS SOME APPOINTMENTS, UM, TO THE GOOCHLAND SOCIAL SERVICES BOARD, JAY SHIVELY, WHO WAS HERE EARLIER, ACCEPTING THE RESOLUTION FOR THE ROAD, ROTARIANS THAT IS EFFECTIVE JULY, 2021 FOR FOUR YEAR TERM.
UM, THEN MIKE CAMPBELL, HE'S NOT HERE, SO WE'RE GOING TO APPOINT HIM TO JOHANN'S HERE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO APPOINT MIKE, UM, TO THE CVA CVTI TECHNICAL ATTACK.
AND IT'S CALLED, UM, THEN A BOARD OF BUILDING CODE APPEALS, REAPPOINTMENT OF MR. JACKSON.
UH, DID YOU RUN JACKSON AND REED GILLY AGAIN, UH, EFFECTIVE TODAY FOR TWO YEAR TERM? AND THEN WE'VE GOT ONE ON SORT OF ON THE SCHOOL SIDE OF THINGS, UH, ASSISTANT SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT, STEVEN GUYER TO THE J SARGE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AGAIN FOR JULY 1ST FOR FOUR YEAR TERM.
SO IF WE CAN TAKE THOSE AS A SLATE, IF THE BOARD'S WILLING AND THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT.
WE APPROVE THE APPOINT POINT MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
THANK YOU, MS. SLASH MR. SPOON, HOW ALL RIGHT.
SO SOMEBODY WANTS TO HANDLE THE CLOSED MEETING MOTION.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF VIRGINIA CODE TWO DASH TWO DASH 37, 11 EIGHT 19.
I MOVED TO THE GOODS COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CAN BE AN ENCLOSED MEETING FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING
[6. 3885: Motion to enter a Closed Meeting for the purpose of discussing plans related]
PLANS RELATED TO THE SECURITY OF ANY GOVERNMENT FACILITY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE OR THE SAFETY OF PERSONS USING THE FACILITY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE.UM, WE WILL COME OUT AND CERTIFY IN TIME TO GET SOME FOOD AND COME BACK FOR SIX O'CLOCK
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BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.AND WE'LL START THIS EVENING SESSION WITH CITIZEN AND COMMENT PERIOD PEOPLE HERE IN W WE, I THINK WE HAVE ONLINE STILL.
IF YOU'LL BE READY TO RAISE YOUR HAND.
IF YOU'RE JOINING US REMOTELY FOR PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, IF, UH, FOLKS THAT WANT TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ABOUT MEMBERS ABOUT MATTERS GERMANE TO GOOCHLAND, PLEASE COME FORWARD WHEN YOU DO SO, UM, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UH, STATE STATE YOUR ADDRESS, OR AT LEAST WHERE YOU'RE FROM AND, UM, LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
THE LIGHT THERE ON THE PODIUM WILL TURN YELLOW WHEN YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT AND WHEN IT TURNS RED, YOUR TIME IS UP.
AND IF YOU'RE STILL SPEAKING, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS AND I KNOW SOME FOLKS HAVE ALREADY INDICATED THEY WANT TO SPEAK.
AND, AND, UH, WE'LL START WITH YOU.
MA'AM OH, AND, UM, PRESS THE BUTTON.
THERE'S A RED BUTTON DOWN A PRESS OUT.
SEE IT TURNED GREEN SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.
I'M ORIGINALLY FROM SOUTH KOREA AND I AM NOW AN AMERICAN CITIZEN LIVING IN FAIRFAX COUNTY FOR CULTURAL REASONS.
CHINESE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT A PERSON'S BODY SHOULD REMAIN INTACT AFTER DEATH AS A RESORT.
PEOPLE IN CHINA DO NOT WANT TO DONATE THEIR ORGANS.
[XVI. Citizen Comment]
YES.SO THE KNEE IN THE, IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, CHINA, CHINA'S A HOSPITAL BEGAN ADVERTISING SHORT WAIT TIMES FOR VITAL ORGANS.
RAIL DID ALL THESE HUMAN ORGANS COME FROM EXTENSIVE.
AND THE CREDIBLE REPORTS HAVE REVEALED THAT THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY CCP HAS BEEN KILLING PRISONERS OF A CONSCIOUS MOST OF THEM FALL ON GONG PRACTITIONERS IN ORDER TO SELL THEIR OREGON'S A PROMINENT INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION RECENTLY STATED FORCED ORGAN HARVESTING HAS BEEN COMMITTED FOR YEARS THROUGHOUT CHINA ON A SIGNIFICANT SCALE.
AND FOLLOWING THEM PRACTITIONERS HAVE BEEN ONE AND PROBABLY THE MAIN SOURCE OF OREGON SUPPLY.
YOU MAY FIND ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION IN THE HANDOUT WE PROVIDED.
CHINA HAS BECOME A MAJOR INTERNATIONAL CENTER FOR ORGAN TRANSPLANTS AND THE MANY AMERICAN CAN PATIENTS TRAVELED THERE FOR THIS PURPOSE.
IN THE FACT, A NORTHERN VIRGINIA RESIDENT RECENTLY RECEIVED AN OFFER FROM CHINA OF A KIDNEY TRANSPLANT
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FOR $50,000.THIS ISSUE SHOULD CONCERN US HERE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY BECAUSE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO NEED, UH, OREGON MIGHT CONSIDER TRAVELING TO CHINA FOR A TRANSPLANT HERE IN THE U S THE WAIT TIME FOR MATCHING KIDNEY OR LIV LIVER CAN TAKE SEVERAL YEARS, BUT IN CHINA DAY CAN SUPPLY A MATCH IN A MATTER OF WEEKS.
CAN YOU IMAGINE FINDING OUT AFTER THE FACT THAT YOUR NEW ORGAN THAT WAS TAKEN FROM A PERSON WHO HAD BEEN IMPRISONED FOR HIS RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AND THEN EXECUTED A SODA, CCP COULD SELL YOU HIS OREGON, PLEASE CONSIDER PASSING A RESOLUTION, ALERTING OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
SO THEY MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION BEFORE TRAVELING TO CHINA FOR AN ORGAN TRANSPLANT.
YOU MEAN, MY NAME IS TANI, TOM.
I'M ORIGINALLY FROM CHINA AND I'M NOW A US CITIZEN LIVING IN FIVE AS CANTEEN.
I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON FOR US.
THE ORGAN HARVESTING IN CHINA.
FALUN GONG IS A SPIRITUAL PRACTICE INVOLVING GENTLE EXERCISES, MEDITATION, AND THE VALUES OF CHOICEFULNESS COMPASSION AND TOLERANCE.
IT WAS INTRODUCED TO THE PUBLIC IN 1919 TWO AND QUICKLY GAINED POPULARITY BECAUSE OF ITS MANY HEALTH AND WELLNESS BENEFITS.
BY 1999, 100, A MILLION PEOPLE WERE PRACTICING IN CHINA ALONE BECAUSE OF FALLING CONES, IMMENSE POPULARITY, AND ITS EMPHASIZES ON SPIRITUALITY.
THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY CCP CAUSE GENERATE A THREAT AS A RESULT, THE HEAD OF THE CCAP LUNCH, THE PROSECUTION OF FILING GONG IN JULY, 1999, COUNTLESS PRACTITIONERS HAVE BEEN TORTURED, KILLED OR DISAPPEARED TO THIS DAY.
SHORTLY AFTER THE PERSECUTION BEGAN, THE NUMBER OF AUGUST, A VARIABLE FOR TRANSPLANTS SUDDENLY INCREASED IN CHANNEL STANDARD.
BESIDE THE MEAN IT'S TELLING YOU ONE BETTINA RESIDENT AND THE SURVIVAL OF THIS IS A PEACE PERSECUTION.
SHE SPENT ALMOST A SIX YEARS IN PRISON FOR TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT FALUN GONG DURING HER IMPRISONMENT, MISSY, WHEN ONCE A FORCED TO DO SLAVE LABOR FOR UP TO 18 HOURS A DAY AMONG THE THINGS SHE WAS FORCED TO MAKE WITH DECORAH RETAIL ITEMS, LIKE WHAT SHE IS HOLDING NOW, SHE WAS ALSO BLOOD TESTED, DETERMINE THE COMPATIBILITY OF HER ORGAN FOR A PETITION TRANSPLANT.
IF SOMEONE GOES TO CHINA FOR A TRANSPLANT, THIS COULD VERY POSSIBLY RESULT IN THE DEATHS OF AN INNOCENT FALUN GONG PRACTITIONER.
THE ISSUE OF FIRST ORGAN HARVESTING IN CHINA HAS BEEN UNDER-REPORTED IN THE U S MEDIA IN RESPONSE.
I TOLD YOU, AFTER 13 CONTENTS IN VIRGINIA, INCLUDING FIVE AS CANTEEN LOUISIE AND CAPRA CAROLINE REASON TO PASS THE RESOLUTION TO EDUCATE THEIR RESIDENTS ABOUT THE PRACTICE.
AND TODAY I ASK YOU TO DO THE SAME, PLEASE INTRODUCE, AND TO PASS A RESOLUTION, TO RAISE AWARENESS OF THIS ISSUE.
WE ARE SUBMITTED PETITIONS FROM SOME 100 LOCAL RESIDENTS IN SUPPORT.
AFTER THIS REQUIRES YOUR ACTION WILL HELP PREVENT THE CITIZENS OF GOOD LAND COUNTING FROM BECOMING THE UNWEIGHTING ACCOMPLICES TO THE MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE.
IT WILL ALSO HELP EDUCATE OUR CITIZENS THAT THE CHINESE PEOPLE AND THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY ARE NOT ONE AND THE SAME.
THAT WAS, THOSE ARE THE PETITIONS.
AND WE, WE ALL RECEIVED EVERYBODY UP HERE.
THE BOARD MEMBERS RECEIVED THE PACKET THAT YOU HANDED OUT.
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YEP.WE'RE STILL STILL ON THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
SO ANYBODY IN THE ROOM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO US, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
BEEN A MEMBER OF THE NOAH'S COMMITTED SINCE I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES OF YOUR TIME WITH THIS STUFF.
OH, STAY WITHIN MY THREE MINUTE LIMIT.
UM, SO A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE? MS. CHAIRMAN, JONATHAN LEE, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO ADVISE THAT, UH, THAT KEEP VIRGINIA BEAUTIFUL WEAR YOUR MASK.
MY WIFE GAVE ME, UH, IS, UH, NOT SOMETHING THAT BREACHED THE BUILDING SECURITY, BUT I DO WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT LINDA MOORE MADE EARLIER AND, AND, UM, I FULLY APPRECIATE AND, AND REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE DUE DILIGENCE YOU FOLKS DO EVERY TIME A REZONING REQUEST OR A DEVELOPMENT REQUEST COMES TO YOU.
UH, I HAVE SPOKEN FOR SOME OF THEM I'VE SPOKEN AGAINST SOME OF THEM.
AND I GUESS MY ENCOURAGEMENT IS THAT AS YOU MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, SOME OF THEM TOUGH.
MY HAS ALWAYS, FOR ME, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY.
I KNOW THAT THERE CAN BE A BENEFIT TO THE PERSON REQUESTING THE REZONING, AND THERE CAN BE A BENEFIT TO THE PERSON OPPOSING REZONING, BUT AS MR. PETERSON HAS SAID, IT'S NOT JUST 10 PEOPLE OR A COMMUNITY IT'S 24,000 AND COUNTING PEOPLE HERE IN THE COUNTY THAT, THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED ON A WHOLE.
SO MY ANALYSIS, WHICH IS IMPERFECT BECAUSE I'M JUST ONE PERSON, IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOES FURTHER THOSE FIVE CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY ORDINANCE OR VOTE THAT YOU FOLKS TAKE? AND, UM, I WILL PROBABLY BE BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING WHEN SOME OF THESE ISSUES COME BEFORE YOU, BUT, UH, RATHER THAN ME COME UP WITH A TIRADE AND SAYING, WELL, I THINK YOU NEED TO DO THIS.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO DO THAT, WHICH I'M CAPABLE OF DOING AS YOU MIGHT KNOW.
UM, MY REALLY REQUEST IS WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, WHY WOULD WE WANT TO CHANGE OR ABROGATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WHY WOULD WE WANT TO CHANGE AN EXISTING, UH, ZONING CLASSIFICATION? AND, UH, THERE MAY BE VERY GOOD REASONS FOR IT.
IF ONE OF THOSE WITH EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY GETS INTERNET, I WOULD BE REAL ATTENTIVE TO THAT.
UH, IF IT WAS, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, I'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT TOO.
BUT GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU AND LADIES, UH, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING IT ISN'T EASY.
THAT'S WHY YOU MAKE THE BIG BUCKS, I GUESS, BUT WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY MANTRA FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ON THE LINE? ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TRY TO BRING THEM ON.
MRS. MOORE HAS INDICATED SHE'D LIKE TO SPEAK AGAIN.
I LIVE AT 2164 PROFIT ROAD, MANNEQUIN SEVEN.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO THANK JOANNE HUNTER, UM, FOR ALL THE WORK SHE DOES TO HELP US UNDERSTANDING, UH, UH, THE PLANNING AND REZONING PROCESS.
SHE, UH, GAVE UP HER TIME BACK ON JANUARY 21ST, 2019 TO PRESENT A THOROUGH,
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UM, WORKSHOP THAT DEALT WITH THE VERY SAME ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STILL.AND THAT WAS WHAT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WHAT IS ZONING REVIEWING THE ZONING DISTRICTS? I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT HER PRESENTATION.
IT TALKS ABOUT THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT AND JUST AN ALL AROUND GOOD, UM, GUIDELINES FOR, UH, RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS AS THEY, AS YOU AS EVERY BOY ABOUT EIGHT, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE, UH, UH, THE NEW ADMINISTRATOR, MR. YOUNG KNOWS THAT I AM VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT PROTECTING AND PRESERVING THE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PLAN, UH, AS WRITTEN.
UM, AND AS JONATHAN LYLE HAS ALERT, MADE IT TO THAT, I HAVE THE SAME FEELINGS.
WHAT WILL IT DO FOR ALL GOOCHLAND? NOT JUST THE VERY FEW THAT WILL BENEFIT FROM IT.
I AM, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO ZONINGS THAT ADHERE TO THE GUIDELINES OF THE COMP PLAN.
SO I AM NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SO GOOD AND IT'S, AND IT'S SO WELL THOUGHT OF, AND IT KEEPS US GROWING AT A RESPECTABLE LEVELS SO THAT WE DON'T NEED TO, UM, BUILD MORE, UM, FIRE STATIONS BUILD MORE, YOU KNOW, UH, EMPLOY MORE, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS BECAUSE THE CRIME HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL BECAUSE WE'VE DEVELOPED A FAST, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.
I, I APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR GOOCHLAND AND, UM, ALLOWING US TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU, MS. MOORE, ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE AND ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM WANT TO COME FORWARD? ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD AND GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[XVII. Public Hearings]
FIRST UP.NUMBER ONE IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING GOOCHLAND COUNTY CODE TWO DASH 65 POLLING PLACES.
UM, MR. MULLIGAN, OUR REGISTRAR WILL LEAD US.
[1. 4004: Ordinance amending Goochland County Code Section 2-65 (Polling places)]
THANKS.IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, WE WERE SEEING A LOT OF EACH OTHER RECENTLY, UM, TODAY BEFORE HE WAS A REQUEST OF THE GENERAL REGISTRAR AND ELECTORAL BOARD TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING, UH, GOOCHLAND COUNTY CODE SECTION TWO DASH 65 TO CHANGE THE POLLING PLACES FOR THREE OF OUR PRECINCTS.
UH, THAT WOULD BE PRECINCT ONE OH ONE FIFE PRECINCT THREE OH ONE COURTHOUSE ONE AND PRECINCT THREE OH TWO COURTHOUSE TWO.
UM, THESE ALL THREE OF THESE CHANGES ARE NECESSARY AS THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT VOLUNTEER ASSOCIATION.
UH, HAS ENDED OUR AGREEMENT AND ASK THAT WE NO LONGER USE ANY OF THEIR FACILITIES AS POLLING PLACES.
AND THESE THREE PRECINCTS CURRENTLY WE, UM, ARE, UH, ASSOCIATION OWNED FACILITIES.
SO, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS PRECINCT ONE-ON-ONE FIFE.
UM, AS, UH, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE VOTING AT A COMPANY FOR FIREHOUSE ON HAYDENVILLE FIVE ROAD, AND THIS WOULD MOVE THAT TO SECOND UNION BAPTIST CHURCH, UH, ALSO ON PEYTON'S BELL, FIVE ROAD, ABOUT THREE MINUTES, UH, NORTH, AND THEN THE, UH, SECOND AND THIRD ARE, UH, PRECINCT THREE OH ONE COURTHOUSE ONE AND PRECINCT THREE OH TWO COURTHOUSE TWO, WHICH CURRENTLY BOTH VOTE AT COMPANY FOR FIREHOUSE RIGHT UP THE STREET ON FAIRGROUND.
UM, UH, RIGHT VOTE AT COMPANY FIVE, RIGHT UP THE STREET ON A FAIRGROUND ROAD.
AND THAT WE WOULD MOVE THAT TO THE, UH, GOOCHLAND COUNTY SPORTS COMPLEX RIGHT BEHIND US, UH, IN THE GYM THERE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY BETTER RIGHT NOW, BOTH PRECINCTS ARE IN ONE ROOM AND THEY HAVE TO LIKE PUT UP A LIKE TEMPORARY DIVIDER FOR THE DAY.
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TO USE ONE, UH, PUT ONE PRECINCT IN THE DANCE STUDIO IN ONE PRECINCT IN THE GYM AT LARGE.UM, BUT YES, THOSE ARE THE THREE CHANGES.
UH, SO IT WAS REALLY ONLY TWO PLACES CHANGING BECAUSE TWO PRECINCTS ARE IN ONE FACILITY, BUT, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU, MR. MULLIGAN, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE GENERAL REGISTRAR AT THIS POINT IN THE PRESENTATION? YES.
MA'AM JUST TO BE TOTALLY CLEAR, MR. MULLIGAN, THIS WOULD BE EFFECTIVE, UH, NOVEMBER, RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, NOVEMBER WOULD BE THE FIRST ELECTION USING RIGHT.
IT WOULD BE WHATEVER EARLY VOTING THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.
I BELIEVE THERE'S A, UH, LIKE A DELAYED IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION UNTIL JUNE 30TH SO THAT, BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE AN ELECTION COMING UP IN A WEEK, SO WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE CHANGE NOW.
UH, SO YEAH, I'LL GO INTO PLACE JUNE 30TH, BUT THE NOVEMBER WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE USING THESE.
IT'S IN THE LOOP ON PAGE ONE 32.
THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BECOME EFFECTIVE, RIGHT.
IS THAT GOOD, MR. SPOON OUT? HEY, SORRY.
BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE VOTE AT STATION FIVE CURRENTLY? UH, TOTAL BETWEEN THE TWO PRECINCTS, UM, 2000.
I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS RIGHT OFF THE 2000 S PROBABLY 400 TO WHERE IT HAS TO 2,400 SAY HALF OF THOSE FOLKS DO EARLY VOTING.
IS THERE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING OR 1400 PEOPLE LIKE IN THIS PARKING LOT? YEAH.
THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME, UH, GOOD SIGNAGE AND GETTING THE WORD OUT BECAUSE YEAH, THE PARKING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PARK IN THE, UH, PARKING LOTS.
WELL, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO, BUT WE'D HOPE THAT THEY'D PARK IN THE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE COMPLEX AND COME IN THAT WAY BECAUSE YEAH, WE TRY TO HAVE ALL THOSE PEOPLE TRYING TO PARK IT.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE POTENTIAL FOR A LOT OF CONGESTION IN THAT SPOTS.
THAT'D BE MY ONLY CONCERN, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
MAYBE WE GET THE SHERIFF INVOLVED.
UM, SOME TRAFFIC CONTROL SIGNAGE, W EVEN JUST FROM A ACCESSIBILITY, IT'S NOT AN EASY WALK FOR SOMEBODY FOR I'VE ACTUALLY ALL LOVELY PERSON.
I'M SURE WE HAVE SOME SORT OF HANDY OR SOME, SOME SORT OF, UM, PLACE WHERE THEY COULD MAKE OBSESSIONS.
BUT I JUST WONDER THAT, THAT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE ROUGH IF I, MY DAD, BUT, UH, ELECTION DAY IS NOW HOLIDAY.
SO THIS OFFICE WILL BE THIS BUILDING TO BE CLOSED.
NOT, NOT HAVING POLICE HERE UNLESS THEY'RE VOTING.
UM, SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF IT AND THE REST COULD BE SPREAD OUT OVER 45 DAYS IN THEORY.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY TOO EARLY TO TELL, BUT, UM, WELL THE POTENTIAL REZONING CHANGES AGAIN, OR IS THIS JUST TEMPORARY OR IS IT, WE HOPE NOT? IT COULD, YEAH, THE REDISTRICTING, UM, IT VERY WELL COULD NOW, UM, PROBABLY LESS LIKELY FOR A ONE-ON-ONE FIFE BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO GROW MORE EAST.
SO THIS ONE WOULD STILL BE AN OPTION.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO REVISIT A COMPANY OR A COMPANY FIVE AND DISTRICT THREE.
BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
IS THERE ANY UPDATE ON THE TIMING OF THE PARTITIONING AT THIS POINT? UH THAT'S I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET THE CENSUS DATA IN LIKE SEPTEMBER, I THINK, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN, UM, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT MOST LIKELY THAT WHOLE PROCESS WILL BE GOING ON DURING THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.
SO I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE DONE BEFORE NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR, OF THIS YEAR.
WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD FOR, OR AGAINST OR COMMENT ON IT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
SAME RULES APPLY THREE MINUTES AFTER YOU GET YOUR JUICE YOURSELF.
AND DOES ANYBODY ONLINE WANTING TO SPEAK TO THIS
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GOING ONCE? ALRIGHT, GREAT PRESENTATION.SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM AND MOVE TO DISCUSSION MOTION.
MA'AM THAT'S ALL RIGHT, THERE YOU GO.
YOU KNOW, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE OF MANY GOOCHLAND COUNTY CODE SECTION 2.65 TO CHANGE THE FIFE PRECINCT POLLING PLACE.
YOU SECOND UNION BAPTIST CHURCH, AND THE GOODMAN COURT HAS ONE IN TWO PRECINCTS TO THE GOODSON SPORTS COMPLEX.
SECOND SOUND IN ORDER, UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION SEEING NONE.
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
SO NEXT ANOTHER ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, AND THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC
[2. 4005: Ordinance amending County Code Section 14-251 (Tuckahoe Creek Service]
UTILITIES.MATT LONGSHORE IS GOING TO WALK US THROUGH THIS ONE, ONE SECOND.
GOOD EVENING, MR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MATT LONGSHORE, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC UTILITIES.
UH, TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING FOR PUBLIC HEARING A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE CHAPTER 14, SECTION TWO 51, AND THAT'S FOR PARCEL ADDITIONS INTO THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
JUST SOME QUICK BACKGROUND ON THE DISTRICT.
UH, TYPICALLY KNOWN AS THE TCSD IT'S A WATER AND SEWER SERVICE DISTRICT CREATED IN 2002 TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER SERVICES FOR AREAS WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND TO PROVIDE A MECHANISM FOR PAYMENT OF THE DEBT SERVICE INCURRED BY THE COUNTY, UH, WHEN INSTALLING THE INITIAL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE DISTRICT BACK IN 2002, UH, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 1900 PARCELS CURRENTLY IN THE DISTRICT, INCLUDING SUBDIVIDED PARCELS.
AND SINCE 2002, A SMALL NUMBER OF PARCELS HAVE ENTERED A DISTRICT AND A SMALL NUMBER HAVE EXITED A DISTRICT AS WELL.
SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TONIGHT IS DUE TO A REQUEST FROM LAWRENCE LEESVILLE TO ADD TAX PA TAX MAP PARCELS 48 DASH ONE DASH ZERO DASH 52 AND 48 DASH ONE DASH ZERO DASH 75 INTO THE TCSD.
UH, THE COMBINED AREA OF THESE PARCELS IS, UH, 16.1, TWO ACRES.
UH, BOTH PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND ZONE A TO, UH, THE PURPOSE, UH, UH, THESE PARTIAL PARCELS IT'S CURRENTLY UNKNOWN AS WHAT'S LISTED ON THE APPLICATION.
IT COULD BE POTENTIAL OFFICE OR RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AND, UH, THE PARCEL OWNER HAS LET US KNOW.
HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE NEARBY PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS. SO TO GIVE YOU SOME QUICK CONTEXT ON LOCATION OF THESE PARCELS, THEY ARE JUST SOUTH.
I AM BORDERING THE HANOVER COUNTY LINE, UH, JUST WEST OF ASHLAND ROAD AND THE PARKSIDE VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY ARE THE PARCELS OUTLINED IN RED.
WHAT THE PROPOSED CODE CHANGE WOULD LOOK LIKE IS, IS BASICALLY THESE PARCELS WOULD BE ADDED TO THE CODE LANGUAGE AS IT EXISTS.
NOW IN THE MANNER IN FRONT OF YOU WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT MR. LEESVILLE IS HERE TONIGHT.
UH, IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. LONGSHORE ON THIS ONE? THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, I WAS JUST LOOKING UP SOMETHING HERE BECAUSE I NOTICED YOU SAID MR. LEESFIELD, UM, IS THE APPLICANT.
THAT'S WHAT THE BEGINNING SAYS, BUT ON THE, ON THE PAPERWORK, IT'S NO FARM LLC.
SO I'LL JUST SAY AS SOMEONE MR. LEE SPILL OR SOMEONE NOLAN FARM HERE.
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TO US ABOUT, ABOUT THE APPLICATION HERE? COME ON, COME ON UP.JUST WANT TO GET IT READY TO WHEN IT'S TIME TO DO IT, IT'LL BE IN THE SERVICE DISTRICT ARCHITECT.
UM, LOOK UP SOMETHING ELSE HERE.
SO WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT ADDING A COUPLE OF TEXT, MATT PARCELS, ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD FOR OR AGAINST, UM, OR JUST WITH COMMENTS, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN SANDRA WARWICK, THREE 67 SWINBURNE ROAD MANNEQUIN SABOT.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT THIS.
EVERYBODY WAS VERY AGAINST EXPANDING THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
UM, THERE'S LOTS OF UNDEVELOPED LAND INSIDE THE DISTRICT AND WITH NO CLEAR REASON FOR EXPANDING THIS, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT VAGUE TO DO THIS.
UM, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF LAND IN THERE AND I KNOW MR. LONGSHORE TOLD YOU THIS AFTERNOON, YOU'VE STILL GOT LOTS OF CAPACITY, BUT IF YOU KEEP EXPANDING IT PRETTY SURE SOON, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE CAPACITY, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE BUSINESSES YOU WOULD LIKE TO ATTRACT, UM, THE NEW MARKETING PLAN FOR WEST CREEK SHOWS.
AND AS YOU START GIVING AWAY UTILITIES HERE AND THERE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THANK YOU, MS. MOORE, ANYBODY ELSE, PLEASE, PLEASE.
YEAH, YOU JUST PRESS THAT DID SOMETHING, BUT NOT WHAT I, OKAY.
I DIDN'T JUST DIDN'T HAVE A GREEN LIGHT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, SORRY FOR THAT FALSE START, BUT UH, I'M BEN JOHNSON, 2151 JOHNSON ROAD.
I'M NOT AGAINST AND NOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
COULD THE BOYD, UH, SOMEONE IN THE ROOM REFRESH MY MEMORY AND MAYBE SOME OTHERS IN THE ROOM, JUST WHAT THIS ENTAILS FOR THIS PARTIAL TO BE BROUGHT IN AT THIS EXTREMELY LATE DATE.
IN OTHER WORDS, UH, WE HAVE QUITE BIT OF LAND IN THE TUCKAHOE DISTRICT THAT HAS BEEN THERE SINCE DAY ONE, AND WE'VE PAID A PRETTY FAIR SHARE OF TAXES AS A RESULT.
WE STILL HAVE UNDEVELOPED LAND AND PROBABLY WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED YET.
SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT QUESTION.
WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT, BUT ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO BRING THE SCREENS BACK UP? YES, BECAUSE I THINK I WILL BRING IT BACK UP, LIKE GET YOU TO SHOW ON THE SCREEN, BUT THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE SOMEBODY ONLINE, SO WE WILL PROBABLY BE WORKING ON THAT.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, INVITE THE PERSON ONLINE TO JOIN US.
IT'S MORE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK NOW.
THIS IS LINDA MOORE, 2164 PROFIT ROW.
UM, I HATE TO KEEP ON BRINGING UP THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT WHEN WE HAD THAT MEETING, IT ALSO INCLUDED A DETAILED, UM, INFORMATION ON THE TACO HALL, FREE SERVICE DISTRICT.
UM, JOANNE HAD TO DID IT, UM, LIKE I SAID, AND SHE ANSWERED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
UH, WHO, WHO WAS IN, WHO WAS OUT, UM, WHAT, WHERE IT GOES TO IS THIS PROPERTY REALLY IN THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT AREA? UM, IT WAS UNCLEAR TO US THAT THIS EVEN QUALIFIES, BUT I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT THE, THE MAP THAT WE WERE, WE WERE, UH, GIVEN, UM, WHETHER IT'S BEEN EXPANDED, BUT I, I AGREE WITH SANDY WALLWORK.
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THE WORKSHOP AND LIKE I SAID, BILLS ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD ABOUT THE TAC HALL CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.HOW DO YOU GET IN HOW TO GET OUT? UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, HAVING THIS FOR, UM, THE, THE SONG WHEN, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S, HE'S ASKING TO BE PUT IN THE TECH A WHOLE GROUP OF SERVICE DISTRICT ALSO, BUT HE'S CLEARLY INSIDE.
SO THIS IS MIXED JUICE, RIGHT? UM, THIS IS NOT, UM, RESIDENTIAL, IT'S MIXED JUICE, RIGHT? THERE'S ONLY, UM, MS. MOORE, THE ZONING IS EIGHT TWO.
I MEAN THE AREA, IS IT ON THE MAP IT'S DESIGNATED FOR MIXED JUICE, RIGHT? INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF RESIDENTIAL IT'S IT'S MIXED JUICE, RIGHT? YEP.
WELL, MS. MOORE, WHAT, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE US YOUR COMMENT? AND I THINK WE'RE UP, YOU'RE TAKING SOME NOTES, SEVERAL PEOPLE.
WHO'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT I THINK WILL PROMPT SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
SO IT'S NOT, I DON'T WANT TO USE YOUR TIME UP.
ALL I WANT TO DO IS IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S IN A PURPLE, UM, RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, UH, A RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S CALLED FLEX AREA, BUT THANK YOU.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE? ONLINE ORDER? OKAY.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, JONATHAN LAW, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
AND, AND JUST TO THE CHASE, YOU KNOW MY QUESTION, AS I SAID EARLIER, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY? AND THERE MAY BE SOME BONAFIDE ONES I HEARD MR. THESE FIELDS SAY IT WOULD BE IN THE DISTRICT WHEN IT'S READY TO BE DEVELOPED.
SO THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT FOR MR. LEE FIELD.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD THING, BUT WHAT DOES THE COUNTY GET OUT OF THIS BY CHANGING, UM, THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT PARAMETERS, THOUGH? I UNDERSTAND THE HANOVER COUNTY LINE IS SORT OF A HARD BORDER AND RECO COUNTY LINE IS A HARD BORDER AND PATTERSON AVENUE IS A HARD BORDER.
UH, AND THEN AFTER THAT IT GETS KIND OF AMOEBA, LIKE, DOES IT HAVE A REAL DEFINITION, BUT I'VE ALREADY PUT DOWN WHEN I CONSIDER MY MARKER, Y'ALL SIT UP THERE AND THINK WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY TO DO THIS.
AND, UH, MR. LEE FIELD, HAVING IT READY TO BE DEVELOPED MIGHT BE A GREAT BENEFIT FOR THE COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT, UH, I'LL SIT DOWN.
THANK YOU, MR. HALL, ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM AND HAS ANYBODY RAISED THEIR HAND ON LINE? ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL WRAP UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
BOARD MEMBERS, UH, DISCUSSION, MR. SEAN, SOMEBODY MET.
WHAT IS, WHAT DOES THE COMP PLAN CALL FOR THE AREA FROM THE HANOVER COUNTY LINE HEADED TOWARDS 64? UM, THIS PORTION OF THE COUNTY, UM, IS ALL DESIGNATED FLEXIBLE.
UH, THE FLEXIBLE DESIGNATION, UM, CORRESPONDS TO COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
UM, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, SAY MATT, UH, WE'VE GOT A, UH, A GRAPHIC UP ON THE SCREEN HERE AND PRESUMABLY THEY CAN SEE THIS AT HOME TOO.
UM, BUT JUST TO HELP FOLKS UNDERSTAND THIS, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE, THE LIGHT PURPLE IS IN THE DISTRICT.
THE LIGHT GREEN IS NOT IN THE DISTRICT, CORRECT.
SO YOU'VE GOT KIND OF A CHECKERBOARD WITH SOME IN SOME OUT.
AND THE DISTRICT ITSELF HAS AN EXTERIOR BOUNDARY, WHICH DESCRIBES THE, THE, THE LIMIT, THE BOUNDARY OF THE DISTRICT, BUT, BUT NOT ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT BOUNDARY ARE IN THE SERVICE DISTRICT.
IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN THE DISTRICT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A CHECKERBOARD SOME IN OR SOME OUT, IF YOU'RE IN THE DISTRICT, THEN YOU'RE SUBJECT TO HAVING TO PAY THE 32 CENT AVALARA TAX.
IN ADDITION TO THE 53 CENT REAL ESTATE TAX.
SO THOSE THAT ARE INNER PAYING THE 32 AND THOSE THAT ARE OUT ARE NOT PAYING THE 32, CORRECT.
IT JUST, AGAIN, THIS IS MORE FOR EDIFICATION THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
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AND WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY IS NOT CHANGING THE ZONING.THE ONLY THING IS I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER TODAY IS WHETHER THIS SHOULD BE ADMITTED INTO THE DISTRICT OR NOT.
AND IT'S INSIDE THE EXTERIOR BOUNDARY, BUT IT'S NOT CURRENTLY A MEMBER OF THE DISTRICT.
AND IF IT COMES IN THAT IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE 32 CENTS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM MR.
UH, I DID HEAR A CITIZEN, UM, TOUCH LIGHTLY ON THE CAPACITY UTILIZATION.
ARE WE USING AVAILABLE CAPACITY THAT COULD BE USED ELSEWHERE? UM, I THINK YOU'VE TOUCHED IN YOUR PRESENTATION EARLIER ON AT THE EAST END AND THE CAPACITY UTILIZATION RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 4%, CORRECT? YES.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON AN AVERAGE DAILY BASIS.
WHEN WE DO OUR MASTER PLANNING, WE, WE PLAN FOR SOME OF THOSE CAPACITIES.
SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, QUITE A BIT OF AVAILABLE CAPACITY WITHIN THE TCSD CURRENTLY.
SO FOR RUNNING AROUND 4%, THERE'S 95 PLUS PERCENT AVAILABLE.
SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY ADEQUATE FOR THIS PLUS ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE CAN SEE ON THE HORIZON FOR PERHAPS DECADES, UM, AS FAR AS FULL BUILD OUT CAPACITY.
AND AT THE SAME TIME THAT 95% OF UNUSED CAPACITY IS, WAS PUT IN PLACE WITH BORROWED FUNDS.
SO THE TCSD DEBT IS ACCRUING INTEREST EVERY DAY, WHETHER THAT CAPACITY IS UTILIZED OR NOT.
STOP LEADING THE WITNESS ATTORNEY.
THOSE ARE GOOD THINGS TO BRING UP.
SO, UH, MS.
SO THERE WAS A CITIZEN COMMENT THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PAYING.
IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY IS COMING AND JUMPING ON.
UM, THEY'RE NOT GETTING A FREE RIDE FROM, FROM ANYBODY FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO IT ACTUALLY HAVING THEM JOIN TO MR. PEARSON'S POINT HELPS HELPS ACTUALLY GET THAT DEBT PAID DOWN.
AM I CORRECT IN THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S UH, YOU KNOW, ONE MORE PARCEL INTO DISTRICT PAYING THE TAX THAT GOES INTO, UH, PAYMENT OF DEBT SERVICE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE'S A 20% I HAD HER OWN TO THE CONNECTION FEES VERSUS WHAT THOSE WHO HAD BEEN IN A DISTRICT WOULD HAVE TO PAY.
SO, SO THERE'S NO, YOU'RE NOT GETTING A FREE RIDE ON THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CORRECT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? WHAT THAT, YOU KNOW, 20, 20% THOUGH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE 20% ABOVE THE STANDARD CONNECTION FEE.
AND THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE USE IS FOR THE PARCEL.
THE CONNECTION FEE WOULD DEPEND, BUT IT'S 20% OF WHATEVER THAT CONNECT THE APPROPRIATE CONNECTION FEE IS.
IF IT WERE, IF IT WERE $10,000, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY A 12,000 INSTEAD OF JUST THE STANDARD 10,000.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
SO, UM, MS. PESKY, WHICH IS IT, IS IT, CAN YOU BRING UP OUR AGENDA ON THE SCREEN? IS IT POSSIBLE TO, IF YOU COULD BRENT, BRING UP PACKET PAGE ONE 36.
UM, CAN YOU, CAN YOU BRING UP JUST THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN SEE WHAT ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE CAN SEE THERE'S TWO YELLOW HIGHLIGHTS ON ALL.
IF WE ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE, UM, WE CAN SEE WHAT THINGS, SO I HAVE THE ORIGINS FOR NOW, AND THEN THE APPLICATION PARTS.
I THINK THE ORDINANCE PRINTOUT, IF IT, IF IT SHOWS THAT REVISED, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
YOU CAN REALLY TELL THIS IS A LIVE PRODUCTION I MEANT.
SO SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND IT'S ONE OF THEM.
AND LET'S JUST SHOW, SO THIS, THIS IS HOW THE TACO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT, IT'S JUST, THIS IS THE ORDINANCE WHERE THE BOUNDARIES WERE ESTABLISHED AND YOU CAN SEE IT GENERALLY BOUNDED ON THE EAST BY HENRICO ON THE NORTH, BY THE HANOVER COUNTY LINE ON THE WEST.
AND THEN THE WEST IS WHERE IT, MR. LALA POINTED OUT.
IT'S A LITTLE FUNNY AND ON THE SOUTH PATTERSON AVENUE AND IT INCLUDES THE TAX MAP PARCELS.
SO WHEN YOU SCROLL DOWN, YOU'LL SEE THE FIRST ONE, AND THIS IS LARGER PARCEL ON, ON, ON, ON YOUR MAP THAT YOU SHOWED ME, THIS IS A LARGER PARCEL.
AND JUST NEXT TO IT, THE SMALLER PARCEL IS GOING TO BE AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
I KIND OF WENT WHEN THERE'S ONES THAT HAVE
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BEEN CREATED.UM, AND SO THIS ONE WAS CREATED IN MARCH 28, 2006.
I THOUGHT ABOUT ASKING MR. LEWISVILLE, HOW THAT CAME ABOUT, BUT IT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS ANOTHER PARCEL CREATE.
SO THAT'S A SMALLER PARCEL TO THE EAST OF THE BIGGER ONE.
SO IF WE ADOPT THIS, THOSE TAX MAP, PARCELS GET ADDED.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
AND I THINK SOME OF US, SOMETIMES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FILLING IN THE HOLES IN THE SWISS CHEESE.
I MEAN, THIS IS ALL THAT WHERE WE'RE IN WITHIN THE OUTER BOUNDARIES.
IN FACT, THIS IS RIGHT ON THE OUTER BOUNDARY.
OF COURSE WE CAN'T GO FURTHER INTO HANOVER.
THIS IS RIGHT ON THE OUTER BOUNDARY.
SO MY THOUGHT IS WE'RE IN SOME WAYS WHERE WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY, WELL, THINGS ARE IN, WE'RE BRINGING THINGS THAT ARE IN THE OUTER BOUNDARY.
WE'RE BRINGING THEM IN AND THEY'RE PAYING TAXES AT THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
I DON'T, I, I THINK WE SHOULD, MY THOUGHT IS WE SHOULD FILL OUT THE DISTRICT AND GET, GET RID OF THESE SWISS SWISS CHEESE HOLES, UM, IS WHAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
UH, BUT MR. PETERSON, THAT PROMPTED SOME THOUGHTS.
UM, JUST MR. CHAIR, ONE MORE FOLLOW ON AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD EITHER THIS EVENING OR FROM OTHER FOLKS.
UM, ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WHY DOESN'T THE COUNTY JUST DEVELOP THE OTHER PARCELS FIRST? WELL, OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTY DOESN'T DEVELOP THESE PARCELS.
THESE EACH PARCEL OF THE 1900 PARCELS ARE OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS.
AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF EXPECTATION IN TERMS OF THE VALUES OF THEIR PROPERTIES.
AND SO SOME MAY BE APPROACHED FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR FILL IN, AND IT MAY NOT WORK OUT BECAUSE OF DIFFERING EXPECTATIONS ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE LAND, BUT THE COUNTY DOESN'T REALLY DEVELOP ANYTHING.
THE COUNTY LISTENS TO APPLICATIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS FOR REZONING, BUT WE DON'T REALLY CONTROL WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF THE PARCELS ARE DEVELOPED.
AND IF SO, WHEN, UM, ALL WE CAN DO IS GIVE LIGHT AND GIVE DAYLIGHT TO THE APPLICATIONS THAT COME TO US AS THEY COME TO US.
SO JUST ANOTHER COMMENT THAT I'D HEARD.
THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON, DOES THAT PROMPT ANY COMMENTS, BOARD NOTES? AND IF THERE I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, IF SOMEONE IS INCLINED,
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD, UM, ADOPT, UH, THIS ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CHRISTIAN COUNTY CODE SECTION 14 DASH TWO FIVE ONE, DAD, THESE TWO PARCELS INTO THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON, MR. SPOON POWER.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION SEEING NONE ROLL CALL VOTE, MR. YOUNG SUPERVISOR.
MR. LEE'S FAILED YOU IN THE DISTRICT TREASURER'S OFFICE.
SO WE'RE HERE ON ITEM THREE AND
[3. 4007: District 3 - CU-1990-00012B - Application by Margaret and Richard Allison]
MS. SHERRY IS GOING TO PRESENT.THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. YOUNG, UH, THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, I WILL BE, UH, PRESENTING TONIGHT.
IT'S AN APPLICATION BY DOCTORS, MARGARET AND RICHARD ELLISON TO, UH, ON A RENEWAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A VETERINARY HOSPITAL.
THE HOSPITAL IS LOCATED, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF MAIDENS AND FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, UM, AND IS ON THE EDGE OF THE COURTHOUSE DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED A TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED AS IS ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE PROPERTY AS
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SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, LOW DENSITY.AND AS I MENTIONED, UM, IT IS WITHIN THE COURTHOUSE DISTRICT.
SO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT AND IS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA DESIGNATED.
UM, HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE PICTURE.
UM, I MEAN, OF THE, OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER LARGER LOT RESIDENTIAL AND SOME FOREIGN LAND IN THE AREA.
UH, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN 1990, UM, THE ALLISONS RECEIVED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO, UM, HAVE A VETERINARY CLINIC AND HOSPITAL, UM, AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, IN 2001, THE CUP WAS EXTENDED AND THERE WAS AN MADE TO THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR 2000 SQUARE FEET ADDITIONAL.
UM, AN ADDITION, UH, TONIGHT THEY ARE REQUESTING A RENEWAL.
UM, THERE, THEY'RE ALSO EXP UM, EX UM, REQUESTING THAT NO EXPIRATION DATE BE ATTACHED TO, UM, THE, UH, CUP ON MARCH 24TH, 2021.
UH, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING PLANNING COMMISSIONER, MR. MYERS AND STAFF ARE IN ATTENDANCE.
THERE WERE NO CITIZENS IN ATTENDANCE AND I HEARD, UM, NO, UM, CONCERNS EXPRESSED SINCE THAT TIME ON MAY 6TH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS REQUEST AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FIVE TO ZERO.
ONE PERSON DID SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST.
UH, THIS IS AN UPDATED VERSION OF THE CUP, ESSENTIALLY.
IT'S, UM, KIND OF GETTING IT UP TO OUR NORMAL STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE FOR EACH OF OUR, UM, CPS NOW.
SO THE USE WOULD BE FOR VETERINARY, UH, VETERINARY SERVICES AND HOSPITAL.
THE, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY TO ALL STATE AND COUNTY, UH, REGULATIONS.
UH, AS FAR AS OVERNIGHT STAY, THEY MUST BE KEPT WITHIN THE ENCLOSED BUILDING.
UM, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO EXPAND, WE'VE ADDED THIS BECAUSE IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE GOING, UM, UH, WITHOUT AN EXPIRATION DATE, WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO COME BACK IF THEY WERE GOING TO DO A MINOR EXPANSION.
SO WE'VE ALLOWED IN THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND AN ADDITIONAL 2000 SQUARE FEET, UH, THE SIGNAGE THAT THEY HAVE CURRENTLY WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR THE FUTURE, FOR THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE, UM, LIGHTING, UH, THIS IS ONE OF OUR, OUR STANDARD LIGHTING ONES THAT, UM, IF THEY WERE TO OBTAIN ANY ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR LIGHTING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A PLAN.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT, UM, OPERATION HOURS.
IT WOULD BE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 7:30 AM TO 8:00 PM AND THEN ARCHER OUR TRANSFER OF LEASED, UM, CONDITION.
SO IF THEY WERE TO, UH, SELL THE, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY, UH, WE WOULD BE NOTIFIED AS WITH THE, UM, THE NEW PURCHASER THAT THE WAS THE, UM, THESE CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK WITH THEM.
WE'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND STARTING WITH MS. LAST GLASS.
SO GO BACK TO THE, UM, CONDITIONS AGAIN, PLEASE.
OH, YOU'RE GOING TO THE VERY FIRST ONE, RIGHT? YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE FIRST PAGE.
W WRONG ON THE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO GET HARDER.
I'M LIKE IN THE WRONG PACE NOW.
WHICH IS LIKE, YEAH, I CAN TAKE IT PROBABLY FROM HERE.
OH, I JUST NEED MORE GET FROM PUTTING THIS DOWN.
MA'AM I SAW YOU BLACKLINED, UH, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TAKEN OUT FROM THE 2001 THAT'S CORRECT.
SO UNDER TWO THAT THE ENTRANCE TO, UH, BE PAID.
SO THAT'S OUT, THAT'S OUT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.
AND THEN, UH, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, THAT'S BEEN ADDED, RIGHT? CAUSE THAT'S UNDERLINED.
SO THOSE ARE THOSE THE HOURS THEY OPERATE NOW.
SO NO, SUNDAY, SEVEN 30 TO EIGHT.
SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
UM, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, UM, DURING THE, I GUESS
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THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST IS TO NOT HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE? CORRECT.DO WE KNOW IF DURING THE CURRENT EXPIRATION PERIOD, WHETHER THERE'S BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS, THERE'S BEEN NO COMPLAINTS, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, AS FAR AS STAFF IS AWARE FOR APPROXIMATELY 30 YEARS, MAYBE IT'S CLOSER TO 31 YEARS SINCE THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING AT THIS LOCATION.
ANY QUESTIONS THAT WAY? I GOT TO GO BACK TO NUMBER TWO.
SO, UM, WELL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, I THOUGHT WHERE SHE WAS GOING WITH THAT, I PAUSED ON THAT STRIKING AND I UNDERSTAND THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN THAT THE APPLICANT PAID IT.
SO IT'S BEEN DONE, BUT I'M TAKING IT OUT.
IS THERE AN, IS THERE ANOTHER ORDINANCE OR REQUIREMENT THAT THEY KEEP IT PAVED AND KEEP A HANDICAPPED SPACE? BECAUSE IF NOT, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT OUT.
SO, I MEAN, WHENEVER WE REQUIRE IT, THERE THERE'D BE LIKE THE PLANET DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT NORMALLY HAD BEEN DONE AND, AND, AND INSPECTIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN, UM, WOULD HAVE BEEN VERIFIED.
UM, IF THEY WERE TO DO THAT EXPANSION, IF THEY WERE HAVING THE NEED TO MEET ANOTHER REQUIREMENT, TO PUT ANOTHER ONE IN, IT WOULD GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS IF THEY WERE TO JUST TAKE IT OUT.
AND IF WE WOULD BECOME AWARE THAT IT WOULD BE A ZONING VIOLATION.
SO, SO A ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THEY HAVE THE, THE, AS PART OF THE PAVED AND AT LEAST ONE HANDICAP.
IT, IT WOULD BE AS PART OF THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED, THE APPROVED PLAN.
UM, IT WOULD ALSO BE A FIRE CODE.
WELL, THAT'S ALL, I, I JUST, I JUST, I WAS THINKING, AND MAYBE EVEN AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY, IF THEY SELL IT RIGHT, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING NO EXPIRATION, SO A BUYER CAN COME IN AND TAKE ON THAT.
NO EXPIRATION OF WHAT IF SOMEBODY JUST SAID, WE'RE GOING TO TEAR UP THE PAYMENT.
WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM PUT, WE HAVE ALL THE MEANS TO REQUIRE.
AND THAT, THAT'S A TWO WAY ONLY QUESTION I HAD YOU, YOU ANSWERED EVERYTHING.
THE QUESTION IS THE APP, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO SPEAK TO US? GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS AND CITIZENS OF GOOCHLAND.
ALISON AND I CAME BEFORE THE BOARD IN 1990, AND I FEEL LIKE, UM, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN GOOD TO US, THE BUSINESS THERE, AND I HOPE WE'VE BEEN AN ASSET TO THE COUNTY FOR 30 YEARS.
UM, IT'S BEEN MY AMERICAN DREAM, SO IT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL, UM, THING FOR US.
AND THE REASON THAT WE ARE REQUESTING A INDEFINITE RENEWAL IS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T, UH, TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THE COUNTY HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS IN 30 YEARS.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY INTENTION OF CHANGE IN TERMS OF STRUCTURE, SIGNAGE.
UM, THE WAY THE BUSINESS IS OPERATING, WE HAVE NO INTENTION TO CHANGE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT SINCE THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE'VE DONE THIS, THAT PERHAPS, MAYBE WE CAN JUST CONTINUE THE WAY WE'RE GOING.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THAT'S MR. PETERSON STILL LOOKS AS GOOD TODAY AS HE DID.
UM, WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, UM, APPLICATION.
ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO WHEELS ON MARGARET AND RICHARD ALLISON'S APPLICATION.
COME FORWARD, ANYBODY ONLINE? ALL RIGHT, PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BOARD.
I, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SEE YOU 1990 DASH ZERO ZERO 12 B PROPRIETARY SERVICES ANIMAL HOSPITAL AT 2000 MAIDENS ROAD, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE MOTION ROLL CALL VOTE.
MR. YOUNG SUPERVISOR PETERSON.
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HAS BEEN APPROVED AS PRESENTED.WELL WISHES FOR BEGINNING GENUINE SUCCESS AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'RE DOING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
WE'RE DOWN TO THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU WANNA TAKE A, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK.
SO ON THIS ONE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY
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MATTER TO DISCUSS BOARD.UM, AND MS. SHERRY, YOU DON'T NEED YOU, THEY, ALONG THAT YOU CAN MAYBE HELP ME, BUT I'M HERE JUST IN CASE.
SO GENTLEMEN HAS WRITTEN, WRITTEN TO US THAT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAD THIS PROBLEM, WE HAVE, WE HAD THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING A TECHNICAL PROBLEM WHERE PERSONS ATTENDING VIA THE ZOOM CONNECTION WERE UNABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT THE WRITER OF ONE EMAIL SAID THEY COULDN'T CONNECT HERE, SPEAK, RESPOND, ET CETERA.
I DON'T KNOW HOW BAD IT WAS, BUT WHAT WE'VE HEARD CONSISTENTLY IS SEVERAL PEOPLE TRIED TO SPEAK AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO RAISE THEIR HAND VIRTUALLY AND, AND THEY COULD NOT.
SO, UH, WE HAD SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES THAT PREVENTED FOLKS THAT WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THEY WERE UNABLE TO, SO THEY HAVE REQUESTED THAT REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE THAT, UH, THE REQUEST I'M GOING TO ENTERTAIN IS IS THAT WE POSTPONE THIS HEARING TODAY AND SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO THAT ALL VOICES AND INPUT CAN BE HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, OUR COUNCIL AND OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEYS HERE.
BUT INDICATIONS FROM COUNCIL ARE, THERE IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT THAT WE DO SO THAT THERE'S NO LEGAL VIOLATION.
I THINK IT'S MORE OF A POLICY DECISION BY THIS BOARD, UM, HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE THE FACT THAT CITIZENS WERE UNABLE TO PARTICIPATE WHEN THIS MATTER WAS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON MAY 6TH.
UM, I'M NOT GOING TO ASK STAFF FOR THEIR OPINION OUT.
I THINK THIS IS A POLICY DECISION.
UM, I CERTAINLY, UM, HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE APPLICANT COMING FORWARD AND WANTING TO ADDRESS THIS.
I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANTS AWARE THAT THIS HAPPENED.
UM, BUT I WOULDN'T MIND TAKING SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD AS TO THOUGHTS AND SUGGESTIONS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY AT THIS POINT.
UM, I DO HAVE, I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND MAYBE IT'S, UH, A LEGAL ONE.
UM, WE DID NOT AMEND THE AGENDA FOR THIS ITEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
SO NOW TO TAKE ACTION, ANY ACTION DIFFER, UM, THAT ADOPT, YOU KNOW, DENIED WHATEVER, ANY ACTION WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT HEARING THE CASE.
IF IT'S DEFERRAL, IF THE, IF THE BOARD WANTED TO, WE COULD JUST DEFER IT WITHOUT HEARING IT.
IT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED GOOD EVENING AND IT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION TO DEFER IT.
UM, BUT IT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO NORMALLY, NORMALLY YOU WOULD HEAR THE CASE.
YOU COULD STILL DEFER IT AFTER THAT.
UM, AND YOU COULD RE ADVERTISE IT.
THE BOARD, THE BOARD HAS DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
UM, I THINK THAT'S THE POSITION THE BOARD HAS USUALLY TAKEN IN THE PAST, BUT I THINK YOU'D PROBABLY COULD DEFER IT WITH WITHOUT HEARING IT, BUT IT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
AND IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT, I MEAN, I WAS THINKING ABOUT EFFICIENCIES.
IF WE, IF WE WERE GOING TO ENTERTAIN SENDING IT BACK, I IMAGINE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RE ADVERTISED IF IT, IF IT SENT BACK.
SO, UM, DIFFERENT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE WANT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HAVE A FULL, OPEN HEARING, OR IF IT'S A CONCERN ABOUT THE WAY THE HEARING WENT TO THE POINT THAT WE THINK IT SHOULD BE REHEARSED, I CERTAINLY DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULD HAVE TO HEAR THE THING TONIGHT IF OUR INTENTION IS FOR IT TO GO BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'D HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE IT, RIGHT.
IF IT COMES BACK LATER, I'M SORRY.
UM, IN ANY OF THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE RECEIVED, DID ANYONE SAY THAT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK TO THIS BOARD?
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ALL OF THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED FEEDBACK HAD ACCOMPANIED EACH OF THOSE REQUESTS.SO, SO I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEM AND THEN MAYBE STAFF CAN HELP US WHAT THEY'VE HEARD.
I'M LOOKING AT ARE THE EMAIL FORWARDED, CUT.
FACEBOOK SAYS THEY COULDN'T EMAIL THE COMMISSION.
I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY, I DON'T KNOW THAT IS DISCIPLINE AND COMMISSION MONITOR AN EMAIL REAL TIME.
IS THERE SOMEBODY MONITORING IT? SO, UM, WHEN IT WAS ADVERTISED, THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT PEOPLE COULD ALSO PROVIDE COMMENT WAY, IN ADDITION TO THE TRADITIONAL ZOOM WAY.
UM, WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF ANYTHING DURING THE MEETING.
AND AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THE EMAIL FUNCTION WAS WORKING.
SO I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WHEN THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T SCHOLAR CURRENT EMAIL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE FULLY THE CASE, BUT WE DO KNOW.
AND I'VE ASKED STAFF, WE DO KNOW THAT PEOPLE WERE UNABLE TO SPEAK THROUGH THE ZOOM CONNECTION PROCESS PERSPECTIVE.
EVEN IF IT WENT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY VOTED COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY AND IT CAME BACK TO US, WE'RE STILL FREE TO VOTE BASED ON, I DON'T REMEMBER THE PLANNING, COMMISSION DECISIONS ADVISORY, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THE CASE.
SO I, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME BELIEF THAT IF IT WENT LIKE IT WOULD, IT COULD STOP THERE.
THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE AT ALL.
IT WOULD STILL COME TO THIS BOARD UNLESS THE APPLICANT CHOSE TO WITHDRAW OR THE APPLICANT'S DECISION, HE SORT OF LEANING INTO WHERE I WAS GOING.
I CAN SEE THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT CITIZENS, NOT BEING ABLE TO COMMENT WHETHER IT'S A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY, WHATEVER, BUT DEFERRING IT.
WE STILL COULD DEFER IT FROM THIS BOARD.
WHY IT SEEMS UNNECESSARY TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN COME BACK HERE AGAIN, GIVE PEOPLE ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND.
THEY KNOW WHEN WE'RE MEETING HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS.
IT SEEMS UNNECESSARY TO SEND IT BACK TO THEM.
AND THEN BACK TO US AGAIN, LET'S DEFER IT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I'M THINKING WE DEFER IT 30 DAYS AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CONTACTED THAT WE KNOW OF AND GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON FOR PEOPLE TO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE TONIGHT.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HEARD TONIGHT.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE DEFERRAL TO GIVE PEOPLE.
I THINK, I THINK IF PEOPLE WANTED TO SPEAK TO THIS, THIS HAS BEEN ADVERTISED AND THEY SHOULD BE HERE AND ZOOM IS WORKING NOW TONIGHT.
SO IF SOMEBODY JUST, YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I'M NOT MAKING A CONNECTION BETWEEN DEFERRING IT.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO DEFER IT.
THAT'S IT? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DEFER.
STAFF NIGHT, I THOUGHT I SAW AN EMAIL WHERE THE STAFF INDICATED TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT ABLE TO SPEAK OR HAVE THEIR COMMENTS HEARD THAT EVENING, THAT THEY COULD DO IT BY ZOOM TONIGHT, OR SHOW UP HERE AND DO IT BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ADVISORY ONLY.
AND THE BOARD IS ONE THAT MAKES THE FINAL DECISION.
THEREFORE THEY WERE WELCOMED TO COME AND SPEAK THIS EVENING OR SPEAK BY ZOOM AS A SEASONING.
DID THAT NOT, IS THAT NOT THE CASE? OH, THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE, EACH OF THE, UM, THE INDIVIDUALS WHO CONTACTED ME WERE, UM, TOLD ABOUT THE PROCESS AND TOLD THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THIS EVENING.
AND THIS CHAIR JUST, UM, I KNOW IN THE PAST, WHEN WE'VE CONSIDERED DIFFERING, IT'S GENERALLY BEEN FOR EITHER NEW INFORMATION OR BETTER INFORMATION.
WHAT I'M HEARING SO FAR IS THAT WE MAY VERY WELL HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION TONIGHT AND TO DEFER, WE WOULDN'T EVEN EXPECT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR NEW INFORMATION.
WE'D HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION I WANT YOU TO DECIDE.
THE ONLY POSSIBLE DECISION WOULD BE A POSSIBLE DIFFERENCE IN THE VOTE, IN THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT OF COURSE, AGAIN, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.
WE'RE NOT BOUND BY IT, BUT AS FAR AS THE INFORMATION GOES, DO WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED? UM, IT DOESN'T STRIKE ME THAT IN THIS CASE, IF WE DEFER THAT WE'D HAVE NEW OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND WE'D HAVE EVERYTHING WE HAVE TONIGHT.
AND I THINK THE MAIN THING IS AS LONG AS THERE'S A FULL OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY TO PARTICIPATE TONIGHT.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CONCERNS THAT IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED
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SYSTEMS ARE WORKING, AND FOLKS ARE HERE THAT ARE ABLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON.YOU HAVE PROVIDED US WITH COMMENTS WHEN PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED TO WEIGH IN.
BECAUSE I THINK WHEN THIS HAPPENED, I SAID, COULD, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE TOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOU HAVE GIVEN US ALL THE RESPONSES IN THAT REGARD, RIGHT? YEAH.
THERE ARE, UH, THERE, THEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU ALL.
WELL, UNLESS SOMEBODY, UNLESS SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION TO DEFER OR TO RETURN IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, NOBODY'S TURNING THEIR MICS ON.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET EMOTION IN THAT REGARD.
SO PLEASE GO AHEAD AND LET'S PRESENT THIS APPLICATION.
UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MR. YOUNG, OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS AN APPLICATION FROM M E P V FOUR, LLC, WHICH IS MARKEL EAGLE REQUESTING TO REZONE 41.334 ACRES FROM A TO AGRICULTURE LIMITED TO AN RESIDENTIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
RPU D TO RPD, UH, BUSINESS GENERAL, WHICH IS B ONE AND, UM, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL, WHICH IS, UM, TO THE, UH, PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
AND IT IS, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF JOHNSON AND ASHLYN ROADS ADJACENT TO THE PARKSIDE SUBDIVISION.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS SLIDE, UM, THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS FLEXIBLE, UM, BY THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS MOSTLY VACANT.
THERE IS A SMALL, I MEAN, NOT SMALL, THERE'S A RESIDENCE AT THE CORNER OF JOHNSON AND ASHLAND ROAD, BUT THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IS VACANT.
UH, THE, AS I MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED, UM, AGRICULTURAL LIMITED AND, UM, RESIDENTIAL PLAN, UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE A, UM, UH, UH, CLOSER OF THE SLIDE OF THE AREA THAT SHOWS THE RPD, CAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING.
SO IN ORDER TO GET THE 31 SINGLE FAMILY, UH, LOTS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, THEY ARE GOING TO USE A PORTION OF THE EXISTING, UM, PARKSIDE VILLAGE, UH, SECTION.
SO, UM, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING OF THE 41 PLUS ACRES IS TO REZONE, UM, FIVE, A LITTLE OVER FIVE ACRES, ALMOST SIX ACRES AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, JOHNSON AND ASHLAND ROAD TO BE ONE TO, UH, REASON 15.18, EIGHT ACRES TO, UM, AND TWO, WHICH IS OUR, UM, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL ZONE.
AND THEN, UH, 20, UH, 20.185 ACRES TO RPU D SO JUST A LITTLE HISTORY, UM, FOR PARKSIDE VILLAGE SECTIONS, ONE, TWO AND THREE WERE REZONED, UM, BACK IN 2013, WHICH ALLOWED FOR 118, UH, AGE RESTRICTED, UM, SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS, UM, BACK IN 2018, UH, SECTION FOUR WAS REZONED.
AND, UH, THIS, UH, ALLOWED FOR 62, LOTS OF THOSE LOTS AS ARE, UM, SOME ARE STILL CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS WILL, UH, THIS REQUEST IS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 31 LOTS.
UM, HERE IN FRONT OF YOU, IS THE CONCEPTUAL RENT, UM, UH, RESIDENTIAL CONCEPTION, CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UM, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TO EXTEND, UM, THE EXISTING PARKSIDE VILLAGE, AS I'D MENTIONED, UH, WITH 31 AGE RESTRICTED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, AND THAT WOULD, UM, BE ACCESSED OFF THE, UM, EXISTING, UH, BE STREET.
UM, SO, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES HAVE A RESIDENTIAL QUARRY BUFFER, UH, THAT IS 1000 FEET, UH, FROM THE QUARRIES.
UM, THERE'S TWO EXHIBITS IN FRONT OF YOU.
THE FIRST ONE SHOWS WHERE THE CORE ARE LOCATED IN PROXIMITY TO THE, UH, UH, PROPOSED, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THEN, UM, AND THE SECOND THAT IS THE ACTUAL CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT THAT SHOWS IN BLUE, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE WHERE THAT, UM, CORY BUFFER IT.
SO THEY WILL BE, UM, DEVELOPING OUTSIDE OF THE QUARRY BUFFER FOR THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES.
THE OPEN SPACE FOR THE, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENTS IS ACTUALLY LOCATED INSIDE THE CORE BUFFER, WHICH IS ALLOWED WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
UM, THE PICTURE THAT IS THERE IS A, UM,
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CONCEPTUAL RENDERING.UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING, AS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE ON THE CORNER OF, UM, ASHLAND ROAD AND JOHNSON ROAD, A B ONE, WHICH WOULD, UM, UH, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER FIVE ACRES THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR UP TO 35,000 SQUARE FEET OF NEW RETAIL CONSTRUCTION.
AND, UM, THE, UH, UM, PORTION ALONG, UH, JUST NORTH OF, UH, JOHNSON ROAD WOULD ALLOW FOR 109,000 SQUARE FEET OF NEW INDUSTRIAL, UM, CONSTRUCTION.
THE, UM, THE RENDERING IS, UM, HAS NOT BEEN PROFFERED.
THEY DID SUPPLY THIS AS, UM, UH, SOME POTENTIAL, WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT SINCE THEY HAVE NO CURRENT USERS, UM, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR A, UM, UH, DETAILED, UH, CONCEPT PLAN, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, ERA DESIGNATES THE AREA AS FLEXIBLE, WHICH, UH, GENERALLY SUPPORTS, UM, OFFICE COMMERCIAL OFFICE SERVICES AND LIMITED INDUSTRIAL OR USES THE
THE
UM, THERE ARE SUFFICIENT BUFFERS AND THEIR USES ARE APPROPRIATE.
UH, THE RPU D WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE 1000 SQUARE FOOT, 1000, UH, BUT QUARRY BUFFER, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO AS PART OF THIS, UM, APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UM, TRAFFIC WAS ONE OF THE, UM, THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT WE DID HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO THE AREAS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY OPERATING AT ACCEPTABLE LEVELS INCLUDE, UM, ASHLAND ROAD AT COMMERCE DRIVE ASHLAND ROAD AT POUNCEY TRACT ROAD, UM, UH, THE, UH, LEVEL OF SERVICES, UM, AS OPPOSED, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UM, ARE INDICATED AS ASHLAND ROAD AT COMMERCE DRIVE ASHLAND ROAD AT PATSY TRACK AND ASHLAND ROAD AT JOHNSON ROAD MEAN THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL IMPACT THESE AREAS THAT WE'RE ALREADY, UM, HAVING SOME, UM, SOME ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC.
UM, THEY COME, UM, THE, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DOES RECOMMEND SOME IMPROVEMENTS, RIGHT? AND LEFT TURN LANES ON ASHLYN AND JOHNSON ROAD, TURN LANES ON JOHNSON ROAD AT ASHLAND ROAD, AND A DEDICATION OF RIGHT AWAY FOR ASHLYN ROAD.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, OFFERED A CASH PROFFER IN RESPONSE TO, UM, OUR CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL.
AND THIS WOULD, UM, ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CAPITAL IMPACTS.
THAT WOULD BE A RESULT OF THIS, UM, THIS REZONING, UH, IT KIND OF JUST SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE PROVERS THAT THEY HAVE OFFERED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, THE RPD DISTRICT.
UM, THEY, UM, HAD PROFFERED THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH I HAVE SHARED WITH YOU, UM, MAXIMUM OF 35 31, EXCUSE ME, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, UH, TO LIMIT THE, UM, UM, PLACE AN AGE RESTRICTION OF 55 AND OLDER, UM, ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY, UH, THE CASH PRO, UM, CASH PROCTOR TO OFFSET THE CAPITAL IMPACTS.
UM, THEY ARE RESTRICTING, UM, SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, UH, TO BE DIVERTED AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THEY HAVE PROFFERED ARCHITECTURAL AND EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH PARKSIDE VILLAGE AS IT EXISTS.
UM, THEY HAVE A PROFFER TO PROVIDE DISCLOSURES OF THE QUARRY, UM, THE FUTURE OF BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL USES AS WELL AS, UM, THE AVALARA TAX THAT WOULD GO WITH BECOMING PART OF THE TCSD SIDEWALKS ON AT LEAST ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
UM, THEY HAD PROFFERED AT LEAST ONCE ONE TREE AND EACH YARD, UM, FRONT YARD AND A LANDSCAPING BERM ADJACENT TO THE INDUSTRIAL USES.
AND THEN, UM, AS PART OF THAT, UH, RESENTING THE, UH, PROFFER FOR THAT SECTION, THEY ARE GOING TO DEDICATE SOME RIGHT AWAY FOR ASHLAND ROAD.
UM, I HAD MENTIONED THE TUCKAHOE PRE SERVICE DISTRICT ON THE APPLICANT HAS APPLIED FOR ACCEPTANCE INTO THE DISTRICT.
UM, THEY ARE NOT, UM, UM, THESE, UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, TRADITIONALLY, THESE RUN CONCURRENTLY, WHEN YOU HAVE A REZONING, THE, UM, PROCESS WAS DELAYED.
UM, THE PICTURE THAT I HAVE UP THERE IS THE ENTIRE, UM, PARCEL THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE, UM, THE, UM,
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ELVIS FARM.SO AN ORDER TO NOT HAVE THE ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY, UM, BE SUBJECT TO THE AD VALOREM TAX THEY HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH, THEY JUST FINISHED A SUBDIVISION, UH, OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS, UH, NORTHWEST OF, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, NORTHEAST OF, UH, JOHNSON ROAD.
AND THEY HAVE ALSO ELIMINATED THE LITTLE TRIANGLE, THE LINE BETWEEN THE LITTLE TRIANGLE.
SO THEY ONE, UH, UH, PROPERTY THAT IS BEING, UM, APPLIED FOR.
AND, UH, TCSD SO, UM, IF, UH, THE BOARD WERE TO ACT ON, UM, THIS, UM, CASE TONIGHT, UH, THE RPU D DOES ALLOW, I MEAN, IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT UNLESS THEY HAVE PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER.
UM, THE M ONE AND THE
SO THE APPLICANT HAS ACTUALLY PROFFERED THAT NO DEVELOPMENT WOULD OCCUR AND UNLESS THEY WERE, UM, UH, BROUGHT INTO THE DISTRICT.
SO SOME OF THE PROFFERS THAT THEY HAVE, UM, OFFERED FOR THE
UM, BUFFER ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, USES SCREENING AND ORIENTATION FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE.
UM, THEY'VE COMMITTED TO TURN LANES AND RIGHT AWAY AS THE, UH, AS RE, UM, SUGGESTED BY THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UH, THAT, UM, THEY HAVE OFFERED A CASH PROFFER FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO JOHNSON ROAD SPECIFICALLY, AND, UH, NOT TO DEVELOP, UM, THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES UNTIL BEING ACCEPTED INTO THE DISTRICT.
SO SOME OUTSTANDING ISSUES, UM, SOME CONCERNS STAFF HAS WITH THIS REQUEST, UM, AS I'D MENTIONED, THE RPD SECTION OF THE REQUEST FOR RESIDENTIAL USES IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, FOR THE B ONE AND N TWO.
UM, THERE IS NO CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWING, UM, WHAT, UH, THE PROPERTY COULD LOOK LIKE, UM, AS IT'S DEVELOPED, THERE'S NO PHASING AS FAR AS A COMMITMENT TO, UH, BUILD SOME, OR HAVE A COMMITMENT TO DO ANY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL SITES PRIOR TO THE RESIDENTIAL BEING BUILT.
AND LASTLY, UM, ON OUR LIST, UH, THE JOHNSON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THEY, THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO SOME IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON THE, UM, THE STUDY.
HOWEVER, THE JOHNSON ROAD IS VERY NARROW AND HANDLING THE, UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN.
UM, THEY APPLICANT HAS OFFERED $10,000, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY A VERY LIMITED, UM, IMPROVEMENT FOR THAT AREA.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD ON MARCH 29TH, 2021, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEMBER, MR. SHARP PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, MR. MEYERS, AND MR. PATEK AND 49 CITIZENS WERE IN ATTENDANCE.
ATTENDEES HAD CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASED TRAFFIC, UH, THE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES, UM, THE NEED FOR A BERM TO SEPARATE AND PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROWING TOO LARGE, MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY DIDN'T EXPECT TO BE A LARGER COMMUNITY AND NEEDS FOR AMENITIES SUCH AS A CLUBHOUSE.
UM, SINCE THE COMMUNITY MEETING STAFF HAS RECEIVED FIVE LETTERS, UM, UM, OF OPPOSITION AND ONE LETTER SUPPORT, UM, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON MAY SIX, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION ON A FOUR TO ONE VOTE AND NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC SPOKE.
BUT AS WE MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION, UH, THE VIRTUAL MEETING LINK, UM, DID NOT WORK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, IT WAS ADVERTISED, UM, WITH A, AN EMAIL ACCOUNT, I MEAN, EMAIL ADDRESS, AS I HAD MENTIONED, AND IT WAS MONITORED DURING THE MEETING, BUT NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED, UM, SINCE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FIVE CITIZENS STATED THEY WERE NOT ABLE WELL TO PARTICIPATE AT THE MEETING.
SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH, UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED.
UM, THIS FIRST SET OF PROFFERS IS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, PORTION OF THIS REQUEST, THE, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS THE BLACK AND WHITE, UM, UH, EXHIBIT THAT I HAD SHARED THAT HAS BEEN PROFFERED, A MAXIMUM OF 31 SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED DWELLINGS.
THEY'VE ALSO PROFFERED, UM, AGE RESTRICTED, UM, TO 55 AND OLDER.
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ACCORDANCE WITH THE FAIR HOUSING ACT.UH, THE ARCHITECTURE AND EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT, WHICH WAS, UM, PART OF THE PROFFERS FOR PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO, UM, UH, INCLUDE IN THEIR MARKETING CONTRACT AND OR DEEDS THAT, UM, THE LAW, THE LOCATION OF THE QUARRIES, UM, THE FACT THAT THE TCSD, UM, AD ALARM TAX WOULD APPLY TO THEM AND THAT THERE WOULD BE FUTURE POTENTIAL FOR, UM, BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE PART OF THIS REQUEST, UM, THEY HAVE PROFFERED SIDEWALKS ON AT LEAST ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, UM, ONE TREE IN EACH OF THE FRONT YARDS, UM, AND THE ROADS SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED TO V DOT STANDARDS.
UM, I HAD MENTIONED THE, UM, ASHLYN, UH, ROAD RIGHT AWAY.
THAT WAS PART OF THE, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY.
THEY HAD AGREED TO PROFFER THAT, UM, A VEGETATIVE BUFFER ON THIS IS REFERENCING, UM, THERE'S, UH, SOME, UH, THERE'S A, UH, A STREAM THAT RUNS, UH, THROUGH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THEY'VE, UM, OFFERED, UM, BUFFERS, UH, FOR THE, THE STREAM, UH, THE CASH PROFFER, AS, AS I HAD MENTIONED THAT THE, UM, $3,224 PER, UM, PER LOT, UH, CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
SO THEY HAVE LIMITED THE GROUNDS WORK, UH, CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC, I MEAN, THE EARTH MOVING, UM, TO BE LOCATED OFF JOHNSON ROAD THROUGH THE, UM, THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD, UM, IS, UM, PROPOSED TONIGHT FOR THE INDUSTRIAL.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD, UM, LINK TO THE, THE BACK PART OF, UM, UH, PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
UM, BUT IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO, IN THAT THE HOUSES WERE BEING BUILT.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, UM, AGREED TO PROVIDE A LANDSCAPE BERM, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE 35 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER.
THEY WOULD BURN WOULD BE FOUR FEET HIGH CONSISTING OF EVERGREEN TREES, UM, SIMILAR TO, UM, THEY WERE PLANTED AT SIX FEET TALL, SIMILAR TO WHAT IS OVER ON, UM, THE NORTHERN PARTS OF THE PROPERTY IT'S, UM, PARK VILLAGE BOULEVARD.
UM, IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT IS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE.
UM, THEY'VE AGREED TO PROVIDE SOME, UM, AMENITIES IF YOU WILL, WITH THE, UM, THE STORMWATER TO INCLUDE, UM, A WALKING PATH AND A FOUNTAIN, UM, UH, AS PART OF THE STORMWATER FOR THE
THOSE HAVE BEEN PROHIBITED FOR THE BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
UM, THEY PROVIDED THE SAME BUFFER ALONG THE PERIMETER PERIMETER STREAM ON THE B ONE AND M TWO PROPERTIES.
AND THEN, UH, THEY'VE ALSO ADDED AN ADDITIONAL 30 FOOT BUFFER WITHIN THE M A ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UM, 30 FEET ON THE, UM, UH, MANUFACTURED SIDE FOLLOWED BY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THE REQUIRED 35 FOOT, UH, PERIMETER BUFFER, AND THEN THE BERM THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE SEPARATING THE, UM, THE INDUSTRIAL USES AND THE RESIDENTIAL IT, YES.
UM, THEY'VE ALSO, UM, LIMITED OUTDOOR STORAGE.
UM, THEY HAVE, UH, PROFFERED TO PROVIDE SCREENING WHERE THERE IS, UM, OUTDOOR STORAGE THAT COULD BE, UM, LANDSCAPING OR POTENTIALLY SOME SORT OF OPAQUE, FENCING OR WALL, BUT THEY'VE ALSO, UM, PROFFERED TO ORIENT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, UM, AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT WOULD BE ON THE JOHNSON ROAD, UH, PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AS I HAD MENTIONED, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS DID HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEY ARE ACTUALLY PROFITING ALL THE, OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TURN LANES, UM, AND AS WELL AS TIMING FOR WHEN THEY PLAN TO, UM, INSTALL THOSE, UH, TURN LANES AS WELL AS TIMING FOR, UM, WHEN THE RIGHT OF WAY IS DEDICATED.
I HAD MENTIONED THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, OFFERED A CASH PROFFER OF $10,000 TO, UM, FUTURE, UH, POTENTIAL FUTURE
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WIDENING OF JOHNSON ROAD OR ANY OTHER TRANSPORTATION RELATED IMPROVEMENT.UM, AND THEN THE VERY LAST, UH, PROFFER THAT THEY HAVE OFFERED IS THAT THERE'LL BE NEW BUILDING PERMIT ISSUED UNTIL THE PROPERTY IS ACCEPTED INTO THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
AND OF COURSE THIS WOULD APPLY TO THE B ONE AND M ONE THROUGH A PROFFER, AND IT WOULD BE REQUIRED THROUGH THE RPU DEED PER THE CODE THAT SUMS UP MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MS. SHERRY, A LOT OF INFORMATION.
UM, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
AND THIS LAST TIME I TURNED THE MIC ON.
UM, WOULD YOU MIND, UM, OKAY, SO THE FIRST ISSUE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE TRAFFIC.
SO ON PAGE 27, I WROTE DOWN, I HOPE THAT'S RIGHT IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS THERE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE LEVELS ARE THEY B C D I DON'T, I DON'T, I CAN'T CALL THEM OFF THE TOP OF MY, UH, MR. COLEMAN.
ARE YOU, ARE, ARE YOU AWARE OF WHICH ONES THAT THEY WERE? YEAH, IT WAS PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICE ACCIDENTALLY IS.
DO WE KNOW WHEN THEY'RE THERE PROFFERING SOME TURN LANES, UH, IS V DOT SAYING THAT THAT IMPROVES THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS? UM, THE, UM, OH, I'M GONNA DEFER TO MR. COLEMAN, YOUR RESCUE QUESTION.
UM, WOULD THE TURN LANES, UM, WOULD V DOT SAY THAT THE TURN LANES THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE PROVIDING WOULD ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICE? NO, THE TURN LANES ARE NOT TO DRAW ADDRESS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, UM, THAT THAT IMPACT IS ACTUALLY A FULL BUILD OUT.
THERE WOULD BE A DELAY FOR A LEFT-HAND TURNING MOVEMENT FROM JOHNSON, RIGHT ON TO ASHLYN, RIGHT.
THAT DELAY WOULD EXIST WITH THE LEFT TURN LANES, BUT THE TURN LANES IMPROVED THE SAFETY OF THEM.
SO YOU BLEED THAT V THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THOSE THREE OR FOUR POINTS THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
I THINK HE'S GOING TO LOOK FOR IT RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND I JUST WROTE DOWN PAGE NUMBERS.
SO I HAVE TO GO BACK IF I CAN GET YOU TO PULL THEM UP.
REMEMBER WHAT MY QUESTION IS ON PAGE 30.
I THINK HERE IS JUST THAT THEY, UM, M TWO AND B ONE CAN DEVELOP WITHOUT BEING IN TUCKER CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NOTHING 31 SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN DOWN THE NOTES HERE, WHAT THESE WERE.
SO THAT'S THE TURN LANES AGAIN.
SO THAT'S STILL PART OF THE TRAFFIC, UH, 43, ALMOST DONE.
UH, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT THEY'RE PROFFERING OUT.
WHAT CAN YOU GIVE ME A GENERAL FEEL? AND I GUESS I COULD LOOK UP THE ZONING B ONE AND M TWO ZONING.
WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ACCEPTED USES? UM, SO, UM, I'LL START WITH THE M ZONINGS.
UH, SO WHEN THE M ONE M TWO ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS ALL THE USES WITHIN THE M ONE AND TRADITIONALLY THE ONES IN THE
SO THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE IN THEIR, UH, UH, CONTRACTOR SERVICES AND SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, INTENSE IN THEIR USE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, I ACTUALLY, MR. COLEMAN HAD A CHEAT SHEET.
UM, I COULD ACTUALLY READ TO YOU SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE WITHIN THAT.
UM, AND, AND THE, UM, M TWO ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, THEY TOOK OUT A MAJORITY OF THE, UM, MORE INTENSIVE ONES AGAINST, AS I SAID, THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ONES WERE ALL LEFT IN THERE.
UH, I BELIEVE THE ADVOCATE APPLICANT, UM, CAN, UH, RESPOND TO THIS, BUT I THINK THEIR THOUGHT WAS IT WOULD THEN GO BE FOR THE BOARD.
AND THEN YOU ALL WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THE CHOICE WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE USER.
AND THE SAME THING IS TRUE OF THE B ONE.
SO THE B ONE, UH, OF WHAT THEY'VE LISTED HERE, I THINK CLUB AND LODGE AND ADULT BUSINESSES ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT PERTAIN TO THAT.
UM, MAYBE THE GUN CLUB, UM, ONE.
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USES THAT YOU WOULD TRADITIONALLY HAVE IN THE, IN THE B ONE ZONING DISTRICT, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE RETAIL ORIENTED, SERVICE ORIENTED TYPE OF, RIGHT.AND THE LAST ITEM HERE ON THE ONES THAT TRYING TO PROFFER OUT IT, UH, J GUN CLUB WITH INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE WOULD BE A NO RIGHT.
BUT A GUN RANGE WITH AN OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGE WOULD BE OKAY.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE IF THAT WOULD BE, UH, UH, AN ALLOWED USING EITHER OF THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO RUN AND GRAB MY ORDINANCE? CAUSE I CAN DO THAT VERY QUICKLY.
MY HELPER TOOK MY NIECE, MY MATERIALS.
UM, SO, UM, LOOKING AT THE B ONES, ANY DISTRICT, UM, THE ALLOWED USES, UM, INCLUDE, UM, ANIMAL BOARDING, UH, AUCTION HOUSE.
ARE YOU GIVING US, ARE YOU GOING TO BREAK UP BETWEEN BAR WRITER'S CUP, IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO I'D BE HAPPY TO THAT WOULD, THAT MIGHT BE EASIER THE BY RIGHTS.
UM, THIS IS IN THE
UM, A FUNERAL HOME, A GAS STATION, A HOTEL, A MEDICAL CLINIC, UM, OFFICE PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL, UM, MEDICAL OFFICES, PARKING AND MAILING SERVICE PACKING, EXCUSE ME, PACKING AND MAILING SERVICES, PERSONAL SERVICES, PHARMACY, A DRUG STORE, A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, MOTOR HOME TRAVEL, UM, CAMPER SALES, UH, CONTINUING ON WITH THE COMMERCIAL USES.
THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE MORE, UM, REPAIR SERVICES SUCH AS COMPUTERS, HOME APPLIANCES AND TELEVISION REPAIR, A RETAIL STORE, A SHOPPING CENTER IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR USE STANDARDS, UH, STUDIO AND SHOP FOR ARTISTS, TEACHERS, AND OTHER CRAFTSMEN, BUT THE RESTRICTION ON SQUARE FEET, UM, AND A TEMPORARY, UH, TRAILER IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UM, THE USE STANDARDS.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL, UM, USES THAT INCLUDE FOOD AND BEVERAGE, WHICH WOULD BE A BAKERY, A BREW BREW, PRA BREW PUB, A BREWERY OR DISTILLERY CATERING AND MEAL DELIVERY, FARM STAND FARMER'S MARKET AND RESTAURANT, INCLUDING DRIVE-THROUGHS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EU STANDARDS.
UM, THERE ARE SOME RECREATIONAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY IT, RIGHT? UH, UH, CLUB AND LODGE, WHICH HAS BEEN, UM, PROHIBITED BASED ON THE PROFFER, UM, GOLF COURSE, UM, AND DRIVING RANGE AND SIMILAR RECREATION, UM, AND THEN AN INDOOR THEATER.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME PUBLIC INSTITUTIONAL USES, WHICH INCLUDE A CHILD, UH, CHILDCARE CENTER IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS NEW STANDARDS, A COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY, A CONVENTION HALL, FIRE RESCUE STATION, AND GOVERNMENT OFFICES, AND A LIBRARY.
I WENT BECAUSE I WANTED TO DO, UM, NURSING HOME, UH, PARK AND RIDE AND, UH, WORSHIP USES.
UM, IT DOES ALLOW FOR SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, LUMBER, BUILDING FENCING AND LANDSCAPING SUPPLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE USE STANDARDS, UM, MACHINERY SALES AND SERVICES AND PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL WITH, UM, SUPPLY UNDERCOVER.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, UM, UNDER UTILITY IS SMALL CELL, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EU STANDARDS AND A UTILITY DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, UM, AND ACCOMPANYING APPARATUSES AND STRUCTURES.
THOSE ARE ALL THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE B ONES ONLY DISTRICT ALLOWED BY, RIGHT.
AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF FC UPS AS WELL.
THAT'S THE B B DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT? THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF PERMITTED CAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH, WE HAVE ONE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH M TWO M TWO STARTS OUT EVERYTHING IN M ONE IS, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, MOST OF WHAT THEY HAVE, UH, PROFFER TO PROHIBIT WOULD BE IN THE, UM, THE M TWO ZONING DISTRICT THAT SOME OF THEIR MORE INTENSE, AND THEN THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM THAT ARE PROVIDED, UM, ALLOWED BY, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THOUGH? OKAY.
I'M GOING TO STEP FORWARD FOR NAP.
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WELL, GOOD GENTLEMEN, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT OF OUR STAFF? PETER, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU.UM, A COUPLE REAL QUICK, THANK YOU FOR BEING SO PATIENT WORKING US THROUGH THIS.
IN THE STAFF REPORT SOMEWHERE, IT SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OBJECTIONABLE USES, WHICH ARE PROHIBITED NOW, BUT THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE OTHER OBJECTIONABLE USES.
ARE THERE OTHER USES RATHER THAN GO THROUGH THE LIST THAT STAFF HAS SOME CONCERN THAT MIGHT BE OBJECTIONABLE IN WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE A TRANSITION ZONE? YEAH, CERTAINLY.
SO, UM, WE, WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK AROUND AND, AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE ONES THAT, UM, WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR THE CUP, THEY WOULD STILL BE AN OFFER AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO COME AND ASK FOR THIS.
SO I THINK SOME OF THEM WERE THOSE THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH ASSOCIATED WITH THE CUP THERE'S, UM, POTENTIALLY THE, UM, THE, THE CONTRACTORS AND, AND, AND BUSINESSES ALONG THOSE LINES, WHICH WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED THAT THAT COULD BE A HINDRANCE.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS MOSTLY THE ONES THAT WERE, UM, THE CMP, WHICH WOULD COME BACK TO US ANYWAY.
SO THERE'S NO NEED TO GET INTO THAT RIGHT NOW.
THE, UH, JOHNSON ROAD, YOU MENTIONED THE 10,000.
UM, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT WITH THIS, UH, THE JOHNSON ROAD? IS THAT GOING TO BE BUILT TO BE DOT STANDARD OR IS THAT GOING TO BE A PRIVATE ROAD? UM, THERE WOULD BE NO REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO DO ANYTHING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK WE WERE TALKING DOWN THE ROAD AS, UM, AS IT'S NEEDED, UH, THEN WE WOULD, UH, THEY, THEY WERE OFFERING THE COUNTY TO USE THAT MONEY FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, BUT HELP ME WITH THIS, LET'S SAY THEY BUILD SOME M WHATEVER AND JOHNSON ROAD IS BEING USED FOR BUSINESSES OR INDUSTRIAL USES AT THAT POINT.
IT'S, IT'S EITHER A PRIVATE ROAD OR IT'S A BEAT OUT ROAD.
IT'S V THAT THEN IT'S MAINTAINED BY V NOT CORRECT.
IF IT'S PRIVATE, THEN IT'S MAINTAINED BY THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE LAND AND, OR LEASE IT DEPENDING ON THE TERMS OF THE LEASE.
UH, BUT IN NEITHER CASE, IS THAT COUNTY MAINTAINING THAT ROAD.
SO THE 10,000 FOR THE COUNTY, WHERE DOES THAT COME IN? AND IT, SO, UM, SO, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD QUESTION TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
YOU ARE CORRECT THAT THIS ISN'T A BATTLE, A MATTER OF THE COUNTY, UM, UH, MAINTAINING THE ROADS THAT IN THE EVENT THAT DOWN THE ROAD, UM, AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT TIMING FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THAT ARE SCHEDULED THROUGH THE V DOT PROCESSES, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WOULD GO AND WORK WITH THE.TO HAVE IT BE PART OF OUR PLAN.
UM, THEY WOULD SAY AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE WOULD OFFER THE, THE MONEY TO V.TO BE PART OF THE, THE IMPROVEMENT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO HOW DOES THE COUNTY'S 10,000 PLANNING F THEY DO THE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, SO, UM, I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, UM, THROUGH A NUMBER OF, UM, UH, A RECENT WITHIN THE LAST FIVE OR 10 YEARS, UH, THERE'VE BEEN, UH, THROUGH REZONING PROCESSES WHERE, UM, UH, THE ONE THAT COMES TO MIND IS THE ONE ON BROAD STREET THAT THE INTERSECTION THAT WAS SIGNALED, UM, RIGHT THERE AT MANNEQUIN, UM, A NUMBER OF ZONING CASES ACTUALLY PUT MONEY TOWARDS THAT.
AND THEN WHEN V DOT ACTUALLY IMPROVED THE ROAD, WE, WE OFFERED THE MONEY.
I MEAN, THE SIGNAL WE OFFERED THE MONEY TO BEAT OUT.
SO THIS WOULD BE PUT IN THAT PIPELINE SO THAT IF, IF THAT ROAD WOULD EVER BE IMPROVED, WE WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO, TO PUT IT OUT THERE FOR OFFERING THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO INDICATED THAT WE COULD USE IT FOR OTHER TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
AND AGAIN, STAFF HAS NOT NECESSARILY, UM, COMFORTABLE WITH, WITHOUT THE NEXUS TO, TO, TO THIS CASE WOULD ACTUALLY BE, BUT I MEAN, BUT IN THAT CASE, MANNEQUIN TOWN, UM, AT THE TIME OF THE REZONING, THERE WAS SOME CONTRIBUTION TOWARD COMMON AREA.
IN THIS CASE, THE CONTRIBUTION IS TOWARD THE, IT'S NOT A COMMON HERITAGE, THAT AREA OF A REZONING NOW.
AND, UH, ANYWAY, I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS.
IT'S STILL A BIT GREENER AND THE PROBLEM, THE REASON WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH, AND THIS A LITTLE BIT IS IT STRIKES ME THAT THIS IS A LITTLE PREMATURE.
WE'VE GOT, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN RDP.
YOU D THAT THEY CAN'T BUILD BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE APPROVALS YET FOR TCSD, WE'RE ASKING FOR
SO IT MAY, IT STRIKES TO ME LIKE, THIS IS A LITTLE PREMATURE THAT WE DON'T KNOW THERE'S A LOT, WE DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT AT LEAST WE KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW, BUT THERE'S A LOT, WE DON'T KNOW.
SO IN SOME RESPECTS, THAT'S PREMATURE AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS GRAY OR A FUZZY DISCUSSION, BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING BECAUSE IT HASN'T JELLED YET.
IT HASN'T, UH, GERMINATED YET.
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BACK OFF OF THAT ROAD THEN AGAIN, BECAUSE IT JUST CONFUSED ME.WE IT'S 10,000, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING, BUT IT COULD BE THROWN TOWARDS SOMETHING, BUT IT'S EITHER V DOT OR THE PRIVATE FOLKS.
ANYWAY, WHY IS THE COUNTY ANYWAY, THAT CONFUSED ME.
UM, LET ME GET BACK TO ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD TRY AND LAND THIS PLANE HERE.
UM, THE, THE TWO, THERE'S A LIST OF THINGS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TYPICALLY COMES UP WHEN THERE'S ACTUALLY A REZONING, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT'S GOING THERE.
SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THAT? AND CAN IT BE SEEN FROM THE BACKYARDS? WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO LOOK AT TO SAY, OKAY, IT'S A, THREE-STORY A TWO STORY, A ONE STORY, A SIX STORY, A 12 STORY.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, ALLOWABLE, AND M TO DO WE HAVE A HEIGHT? WE DO HAVE A HEIGHT RESTRICTION.
UM, FORTUNATELY I HAVE THAT RIGHT HERE, UM, STRUCTURES, UM, WITHOUT A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM OR 60 FEET, UM, FIRES WITH, UM, AND THERE'S A FEW MORE CAVEATS, BUT IT COULD GO UP TO 80 FEET AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UM, CHIMNEYS AND, AND, AND OTHER, UH, IS THAT ABOUT A SIX OR SEVEN STORY BUILDING? YES, SIR.
SHE JUST GETS BACK TO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST A LITTLE PREMATURE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE BACKYARD OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, I HAD TO FIND OUT AT LEAST WHAT THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION IS.
NOW WE KNOW IT'S FOR SIX OR SEVEN STORIES AT MOST, BUT THEY HAVEN'T PROFFERED ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THAT.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE AMORPHOUS HERE AND LET'S SEE.
I THINK THAT'S, LET ME JUST PAUSE THERE AND BECAUSE I'LL YIELD BACK RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS I'M HEARING SOME CONFLICTING THINGS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR THIS.
THE LAND IS CURRENTLY ALREADY ZONED RPU D IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S A TWO RESIDENTIAL RPD WITH PROFFERS.
YEAH, JUST THOSE, UM, THOSE TWO LITTLE, TWO LITTLE PIECES OF, YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE PIECE.
LET ME, DO YOU WANT ME TO GET INTO THAT BY GOING BACK EARLY IN YOUR PRESENTATION? I THANK YOU FOR 21 2121, THEN I THINK THERE, MR. SMITH, I PUT, SO THIS IS THE LITTLE SECTION OF THE, UM, UH, THAT OUR PUD, THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IS A TWO WITH JUST THESE LITTLE PORTIONS THAT WERE ALREADY, UH, UPSTATE.
THEY HAVE TO GET THAT IN TO GET THE 20 ACRES.
UM, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHY THEY GOT IT.
IT HAD PROBABLY HAD TO DO WITH THEIR, UM, I HEARD, I HEARD THAT OVER THERE.
CAN WE GO AHEAD AND HAVE YOU EXPLAIN WHY, WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO DO THAT? UM, IT, IT, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
IT'S ALREADY ZONED RPU D CORRECT.
AND IS BEING INCLUDED IN A BROADER R U P I RPU D REZONING.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S CURRENTLY ITS OWN.
THIS PART IS CURRENTLY ON, BUT THEN WE'RE REZONING THAT PLUS, AND THE SAME, OBVIOUSLY THEY OWN THAT PIECE SO FAR.
SO THAT DID COME UP IN A PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
IT WAS NOT 20 ACRES AND THEREFORE COULDN'T BE RPD.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT IF THEY'RE TAKING TWO LOTS OUT OF AN EXISTING ZONE AREA AND PUTTING IT IN, THAT PROBABLY IS WHAT TAKES IT OVER THE 20 ACRES.
WE'LL MAKE SURE FROM THE APPLICANT TO GET THAT SQUARED AWAY.
SO YOUR SLIDE 21 SHOWS WHAT, WE'RE, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR FROM, AND YOUR, AND YOUR LEVEL OF CORNERS JUST IN THE FAR RIGHT CORNER OF THE YELLOW.
THE PRIOR SLIDE JUST SHOWS THE FAR RIGHT CORNER.
SO THEY, UM, UH, YEAH, SO THERE'S TWO LITTLE BLIPS OF THIS LITTLE BLUE.
THAT'S WHAT THAT LITTLE BUMP OUT IS AT THAT, THE PORTION THAT IS ADJACENT TO, UM, SECTION FOUR, MR. CHAIR, WHILE WE'RE ON THAT MAP.
UM, WE MENTIONED THAT THOUSAND FOOT THOUSAND FOOT SETBACK FROM QUARRIES.
AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT RUNS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT.
ALONG IN THE BACKYARDS OF THE HOMES ON THE ROAD GOING THROUGH.
SO A LOT OF JOHNSON WROTE, I GUESS, OVER THE, NO, NO, IT'S NOT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THE YELLOW WHAT'D YOU LIKE ME TO GO TO THE SLIDE, BUT I MEAN, IT GOES, YES, PLEASE.
DOES THAT POINTER THING WORK? OKAY.
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SO IS IT THAT ONE? YES.SO ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT, THAT BLUE LINE, THAT BLUE LINE IS A THOUSAND FOOT AND IT GOES RIGHT ALONG THE BACKYARDS.
AND I THOUGHT, I READ SOMEWHERE IN THERE THAT IN SOME CASES IN THE PAST, THERE'S BEEN SOME HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN RATTLED A LITTLE BIT AND PERHAPS SOME, EVEN SOME DAMAGE AND WHATNOT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THIS INITIALLY CAME FROM.
I THINK THERE WAS A HOUSE THAT WAS DAMAGED AND, UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS DAMAGED TO THE POINT WHERE THIS CAME THROUGH, BUT WE DO STILL GET PHONE CALLS, UM, UH, COMPLAINING ABOUT CRACKS AND SHIT, AND, UM, RATTLING EVEN EVEN THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS IN PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
HOW EXTENSIVE IS THAT DISCLOSURE GOING TO BE JUST THE PROXIMITY OF A THOUSAND OR THE FACT THAT FROM TIME TO TIME, THERE COULD BE SOME ISSUES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THAT MIGHT BE COUNTERED FOR THE QUESTION.
WHAT'S THE DISTANCE FROM THE EXISTING HOMES NOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE CLOSEST HOMES TO THE QUARRY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING HOMES FOR THE QUARRY.
DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT DISTANCE IS TO THE, TO THE, UH, TO THE, YOU MEAN JUST IN GENERAL? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PARKSIDE VILLAGE PARKSIDE? THE EXISTING HOMES IN PARKSIDE VILLAGE ARE HOW FAR AWAY FROM THAT? BECAUSE WE'RE COMING RIGHT UP TO THE THOUSAND FOOT BLOCK.
THEY'RE AT A THOUSAND FEET, THEY FOLLOWED THE, THEY PILED UP OUR FIRM.
BECAUSE THEY'RE CAUSE THEY'RE YEAH, THAT'S THE SHAPE.
SO, SO TO THE RIGHT OF THERE, WE CAN SEE HOMES ARE ALL ALREADY UP TO THEM.
I CAN GO BACK TO, UM, UH, AN EARLIER SLIDE THAT, UM, SHOWS THERE.
SO YOU KIND OF SEE WHERE IT, WHY IT SHAPED THE WAY IT IS.
I'M ASSUMING THAT RED LINE YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THEIR PERIMETER BUFFER.
POTENTIALLY IT COULD GO UP TO THE BACK.
LOTS, NOT THE PERIMETER, BUT SURE.
UM, QUESTION, YOU SAID SOMEWHERE, YOU TALKED THAT THE, UM, THE, UH, B ONE M TWO, UH, PORTION COULD BE, OR THAT IT COULD BE OPERATED WITHOUT BEING IN THE TCFD, BUT THEN DID YOU SAY THAT NO DEVELOPMENT, NO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD OCCUR UNTIL THE PROPERTY WAS BROUGHT INTO THE TCS? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT IS WHAT, UM, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED, UM, THAT WAS STAFF'S CONCERNED THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, TO, TO GET THE REZONING.
AND SINCE THE, UM, THE TCSD IS NOT RUNNING CONCURRENTLY AT THE SAME TIME WITH, UM, THIS REQUEST, UM, THAT IT WAS, IT WAS A DISCUSSION AND THEY, UM, OFFERED TO PROFFER, UM, NOT DEVELOPING THE M ONE OR, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, THE M TWO AT THE
CAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO SOMEBODY THAT WE'RE IN.
UM, AND ALSO COULD THE COMMERCIAL OPERATE THE WAY JOHNSON ROAD IS TODAY? COULD THE COMMERCIAL OPERATE THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW? CERTAINLY.
I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, THE, UM, TRAFFIC STUDY, THE TRAFFIC STUDY INDICATES THAT IT WOULD, THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE WORSE WITH THE, UM, WITH THE, UM, TH THE IMPACT WOULD BE WORSE, BUT YES, THEY COULD.
UM, THEY COULD JOHNSON WROTE ITSELF.
I DON'T KNOW, ONCE IT'S OUT ON THE ASHLAND ROAD AND ROAD ITSELF, THE WAY IT SITS TODAY, COULD BUILDINGS BE BUILT IN THERE FOR COMMERCIAL AND TO BE ONE YES, SIR.
WITHOUT THE ROAD BEING IMPROVED, UH, THE DOT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE, THE ROAD TO BE IMPROVED, WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE, UH, TRUCK TRAFFIC WOULD BE QUESTIONABLE.
I MEAN, I GUESS, BUT I MEAN, UH, THE, UM, THEY, THEY COULD, UH, DEVELOP IT WITHOUT VETO REQUIRING ANY WHITING.
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MS. JUST FOR A SECOND HERE, WHILE WE HAVE THIS TURNIP, UM, AND THIS ISN'T MEANT TO BE A TRICK QUESTION.UM, YOU'RE DOING REALLY WELL SO FAR, THERE'S TWO SALMON COLORED B, ONE PROPERTIES UP THERE NOW AROUND THIS DEVELOPMENT.
DO WE KNOW HOW THE PERMITTED USES IN THOSE EXISTING SALMON COLORS COMPARED TO THE POTENTIAL B ONE, NOT YET SALMON COLOR, ONE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
DO WE KNOW THE, OR THE USE OF SIMILAR, ARE THERE MATERIAL DIFFERENCES? AGAIN, NOT MEANT TO BE A TRICK QUESTION, BUT CERTAINLY I'M MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE, UM, THE, THE LARGER THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
UM, AS YOU ALL RECALL, THIS IS THE, UM, THE PROPERTY THAT WAS, UH, THAT CAME IN FOR THE ELKS LODGE.
UM, I GUESS IT WAS A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
UM, SO GOING BACK TO WHAT THAT ORIGINAL CASE WAS AND WHY THEY WERE THERE IN THE PLACE, MAKING THE REQUEST FOR THE AL COLLAGE IS THAT THAT WAS, UM, UH, REZONED TO THE B ONE FOR A SHOPPING CENTER.
SO THAT IS PROPOSED FOR A SHOPPING CENTER.
THERE ARE SOME LIMITED, UM, RESTRICTIONS ON THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S MOSTLY MEANT FOR WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN YOUR TRADITIONAL SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THE, AND THE USES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT AS FAR AS LET'S SAY, AS FAR AS THE, UM, THIS BE ONE, I I'M AFRAID.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, TELL YOU WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE WITH THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT IT WAS DONE AT THE SAME TIME AS THE, UM, THE OTHER REZONING CASE.
SO PROBABLY SIMILAR, UH, RESTRICTIONS.
UH, UH, I MAY BE INTERESTING TO KNOW IF WE'RE INTRODUCING ANY NEW VARIABLES HERE OR IF IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MORE OF THE SAME AROUND THE SAME DEVELOPMENT, CERTAINLY.
IS IT EASY TO GET TO THAT DATA? I MEAN, I KNOW THE VISION IS TO BE ABLE TO CLICK ON IT.
I WAS TRYING TO THINK ABOUT A QUICK WAY TO DO THAT.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS WITH HUNTER? I KNOW THAT WE'RE SOMEWHAT UP AND RUNNING ON THAT ONE.
THE ONE DIFFERENCE IS JOANNE HUNTER.
UM, THE ONE DIFFERENCE WITH BOTH OF THOSE IS WE DO HAVE CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
UM, SO LIKE THAT'S WHEN THE LAW, THE ELKS LODGE AND ALL THEY WERE PERMITTED USES, BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE COMING IN AND, AND IT DID NOT, IT WASN'T CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS PROFFERED.
THAT'S WHY THEY WERE COMING BACK TO US.
UM, SO THAT, WITH THIS CASE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO WHILE THE USES MAY BE SIMILAR, YOU HAD A TIGHTER ZONING CASE WITH THE OTHER TWO ZONING CASES.
SO BOTH OF THEM HAVE CONCEPTUAL PLANS IN PLACE.
UM, YEAH, I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF ANYBODY QUESTIONS.
YEAH, I THINK, UM, DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT TO, WE'VE BEEN AT IT FOR A COUPLE LOOK AT THE CLOCK, RIGHT? A COUPLE OF HOURS.
SO DO WE WANT TO TAKE A BREAK? THE APPLICANT YOU'VE BEEN NOT NOTICED YOU'VE BEEN MAKING NOTES AND SO I'M SURE YOU'RE READY, BUT IF WE COULD JUST CATCH OUR BREATH FOR A MINUTE AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU.
WE'LL TAKE A BREAK UNTIL LIKE, LET'S MAKE SURE WE CAN START AT NO LATER THAN FIVE AFTER EIGHT PLATES, SEVEN MINUTES.
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MICHAEL,[06:10:22]
ARE YOU READY? YEP.IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DONE BY EIGHT 15, WE GOT TO GET GOING.
WE'LL CONTINUE OUR EVENING MEETING.
AND I THINK WE'RE READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT ON OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING GREEN LIGHT MAKING SURE GOOD EVENING.
UH, THANK YOU, MS. SHERRY, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. YOUNG.
UH, MY NAME IS NATALIE CROFT AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF LAND PLANNING FOR EQUAL CONSTRUCTION HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF NOTED.
THIS REQUEST REALLY HAS TWO DISTINCT PARTS, A 31 HOME EXTENSION OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE, AND APPROXIMATELY 20 ACRES FOR INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES REGARDING THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION.
THE MAIN COMMENT IS THAT THE 31 HOMES WE'RE PROPOSING ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH RECOMMENDS FLEXIBLE DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS COMMERCIAL OFFICE SERVICE AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
WE BELIEVE OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE, WOULD BETTER PROTECT THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD BY EFFECTIVELY.
BOOK-ENDING THE SOUTHWESTERN EDGE OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE, DEVELOPING THAT LAST LITTLE REMAINING AREA OUTSIDE OF THE THOUSAND FOOT QUARRY BUFFER AND PROVIDING A MORE INTENTIONAL, BETTER, BETTER DESIGN TRANSITION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES THIS REQUEST WOULD REALLY DRAW THE LINE, SETTING THE EXPECTATION AND THE ZONING FOR WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENDS AND THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES BEGIN.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS EXHIBIT, THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED AREA, I DON'T, UM, THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED AREA REPRESENTS THE LOTS WE WOULD BE PROPOSING.
AND THE GREEN IS THE PROFFERED OPEN SPACE IN THAT RPD, UH, ZONING DISTRICT.
YEAH, ENHANCED, BUFFERING AND LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL AREAS WOULD BETTER PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
ZONING DISTRICTS CORRESPONDING TO THE LAND USE MAP RECOMMENDATION OF FLEXIBLE WOULD PROVIDE ONLY 65 FEET FROM THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN PARKSIDE VILLAGE TO THE NEAREST COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.
THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES A MUCH WIDER BUFFER WITH THE WIDTH OF 120 AND UP TO 310 FEET.
IT'S PROFFERED TO INCLUDE THREE SEPARATE STAGGERED ROWS OF EVERGREEN TREES, SIX FEET IN HEIGHT WHEN PLANTED A DOUBLE ROW ON THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
AND ANOTHER STAGGERED ROW PLANTED ON TOP OF A FOUR FOOT BERM WITH AN EVERGREEN HEDGE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, SIMILAR TO THE LANDSCAPING BERM ALONG PARK VILLAGE BOULEVARD.
AS YOU ENTER THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM POUNCEY TRACT ROAD, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC CAN BE DISRUPTIVE.
AND AS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO THIS CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE ALSO PROFFERED THAT THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT USED IN SITE DEVELOPMENT WOULD ACCESS THE SITE ONLY FROM JOHNSON ROAD.
SO THOSE TRUCKS USED IN LIKE CLEARING GRADING, UTILITY INSTALLATION, ROADWAY, CONSTRUCTION, UM, THEY WOULD NOT BE ACCESSING THE SITE THROUGH PARKSIDE COLLEGE PROPERTY IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE TCSD STAFF, AS THEY MENTIONED, STAFF HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING US TO CARVE OFF THE PROPERTIES SUBJECT TO REZONING OFF OF THAT LARGER PARCEL.
SO THAT ONLY THE RESIGNED PROPERTY WOULD BECOME PART OF THE TCSD.
THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED LAST WEEK AFTER THE PARCEL SUBDIVISION WAS FINALIZED.
AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICATION WILL BE BEFORE YOU IN AUGUST.
UM, I THINK STAFF CAN MAYBE BETTER CONFIRM THAT, UM, WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED THE PROFFER THAT RESTRICTS BUILDING PERMITS UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS ACCEPTED INTO THE TCSD.
SO MOVING TO THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PORTION, WE HEARD THREE MAIN POINTS, FIRST ENHANCED BUFFERING AND SCREENING, AND A RESTRICTION ON THE HEAVIER MORE INTENSE USES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
GIVEN THE PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE, UH, WE'VE PROFFERED, A HEAVILY LANDSCAPED BUFFER AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY THREE ROWS OF EVERGREEN TREES AND A BERM.
UH, WE'VE ALSO PROFFERED OUT THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES AS WELL AS LODGES GUN CLUBS AND ADULT BUSINESSES.
AND WE ARE REQUIRING THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE BE ORIENTED AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, STAFF MENTIONED SOME ADDITIONAL USES THAT MIGHT NOT BE COMPLETELY COMPATIBLE IN THE LOCATION,
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UM, RIGHT AGAINST PARKSIDE VILLAGE.SO ONE, ONE CONCERN THAT WE HAD, UM, WAS THE DEFINITION OF, OF A BAR OR A NIGHTCLUB.
AND WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY THAT THRESHOLD OF HOW MANY NIGHTS A WEEK COULD YOU HAVE MUSIC BEFORE A RESTAURANT TURNS INTO A NIGHTCLUB, AND WITHOUT HAVING THAT REALLY CLEAR DISTINCTION, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PREVENT A SUNSET GRILL TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT FROM, FROM, UM, TAKING ROUTE UP AT PARKSIDE VILLAGE UP IN, ON THAT CORNER OF ASHLYN AND JOHNSON ROAD.
SO THAT'S WHY WE FELT THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THOSE CHECKS AND BALANCES WITH THAT CUP, UH, PERMISSION NEEDED THAT REALLY, THAT COULD BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, AGAIN, NOT PREVENTING THAT TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT FROM TAKING ROOT THERE.
UH, THE OTHER TWO POINTS ARE REALLY TIED TOGETHER.
ALSO, WE UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY'S DESIRE TO ENSURE THAT THESE PROPOSED NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET BUILT.
UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE FOR CERTAINTY HERE RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE NO USERS SIGNED ON WAITING FOR A REZONING TO BE APPROVED, NO USERS ON WHICH TO BASE A CONCEPT PLAN.
THIS PROPERTY ISN'T ON ANYONE'S SHORT LIST WITHOUT THE ZONING ALREADY IN PLACE.
SO HOW DO WE SET THE PROPERTY UP FOR SUCCESS? WE CREATE THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF MARKETABILITY TO THE WIDEST AUDIENCE WHILE SAFEGUARDING THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES THE VERY FIRST STEP IN INCREASING THE CHANCES OF DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY IS TO ALLOW FOR THOSE DESIRED USES THERESA AND THE PROPERTY TO ACTUALLY PERMIT THOSE USES THIS PROPERTY CANNOT BE MARKETED TO THOSE COMPANIES WHEN THEY USE THIS AREN'T EVEN PERMITTED.
THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS THE LAND USE PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE LEFT COMPARED WITH THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE RIGHT.
SO ALL THE PINK SPACE ON THE LEFT IS RECOMMENDED AS FLEXIBLE, WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL OFFICE SERVICE.
BUT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE ZONING FOR ALL THAT LAND IS 82 AGRICULTURAL THE PROPERTY ALREADY ZONED FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT IS QUARRY LAND OR PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE ROCKVILLE COMMERCE CENTER AND THE LINEAR INDUSTRIAL PARK.
SO NEW DEVELOPMENT FITTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF FLEXIBLE HAS NOWHERE TO GO IN THIS CORRIDOR BASED ON ALL THE ETUDE ZONING.
THIS REZONING INCREASES THE AVAILABLE INVENTORY OF ZONED LAND, AND THEREFORE ALSO INCREASES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DESIRED INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
ANOTHER FACTOR IS FLEXIBILITY IN ORDER TO REACH THE WIDEST AUDIENCE, WE HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE.
WE CAN'T LIMIT OURSELVES BY DESIGNING A SITE AND ITS BUILDINGS WHEN WE DON'T YET KNOW THE NEEDS OF THE PROSPECTIVE USERS, BUT THE WAY THAT WE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE GRANTING THIS FLEXIBILITY IS KNOWING THAT WE HAVE ADDED THE SAFEGUARDS RESTRICTING THOSE HEAVIER MORE INTENSE USES AND PROVIDING THOSE THICK, HEAVILY LANDSCAPED BUFFERS.
AND LASTLY, HOW DO YOU INCENTIVIZE THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY? HOW DO YOU GET THIS PROPERTY TO THE TOP OF SOMEONE'S LIST? WE'VE PROFFERED THAT THE LARGE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT POND IN THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL AREA WILL BE OVERSIZED, DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED TO ACCEPT RUNOFF FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.
WE'VE ALSO PROFFERED TO CONSTRUCT A FEET, THREE SEPARATE TURN LANES AT THE ASHLAND JOHNSON ROAD INTERSECTION TO BETTER ACCOMMODATE TRAFFIC TO AND FROM THE SITE.
AND ADDITIONALLY, USING THIS PROPERTY FOR CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE TO THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, WE'LL ALSO INITIATE SOME PRELIMINARY CLEARING GRUBBING GRADING OF THE SITE.
SO WHILE WE CANNOT TIE THE RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL PHASING TOGETHER, WE BELIEVE THAT WE TRULY HAVE SET THE PROPERTY UP FOR SUCCESS.
SO OUR PROPOSAL NOT ONLY PROTECT AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO PROVIDES ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL GROWTH WHERE THE COUNTY HAS DESIGNATED.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL THIS EVENING AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, AND IF I MAY, I'D ALSO LIKE TO RESERVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR REBUTTAL, UM, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS HERE.
I KNOW YOU WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR HIM, SO HE'S HAPPY, HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AS WELL.
UM, AND IF I CAN START SORT OF ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HEARD EARLIER, UM, SORT OF FROM MY NOTES, OR IF YOU PREFER IT'S UP TO YOU, BUT I'M HOPING I'LL HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS.
UM, I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME PUBLIC COMMENT, SO MAYBE I'LL FOLLOW WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO, BUT IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN BUILDING SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE HEARD UP TO NOW, WE MAY HEAR SOME MORE FROM PUBLIC HEARING.
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SO MAYBE, MAYBE YOU CAN DEAL WITH ALL OF THEM DEAL WITH ALL CAUSE WHAT CERTAINLY WE'LL INVITE YOU BACK.I JUST, I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOME QUESTIONS NOW, SO THAT FOLKS IN PUMP PUMP THE PUBLIC HEARING, CAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ENDS THAT'S IT FOR THE PUBLIC.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MAYBE SOME THINGS GET FLESHED OUT A LITTLE BIT.
SO IF THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS, NOW I'D LOVE TO FEEL THEM, BUT WE CERTAINLY WILL HAVE SOME TIME FOR FOLLOW UP TO ALLOW YOU TO RESPOND AND REBUT TO WHAT YOU HEAR.
UM, BUT YEAH, THERE, THIS IS AN INTERESTING APPLICATION THAT HAS LOTS OF QUESTIONS FROM US, I THINK IN PUBLIC AS WELL.
MS. LAST CLIP, UM, RESPECTFULLY, I KIND OF DISAGREE.
I'D RATHER HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
BECAUSE IT COULD AFFECT THE QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS.
SO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND I'M FINE EITHER WAY.
AND IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'VE HEARD, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS ABOUT IMPROVING JOHNSTON ROAD.
UM, I'LL TRY TO GET BACK TO THE PLAN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVEN'T WROTE A PUBLIC PUBLICATION.
JONATHAN ROAD IS A PUBLIC ROAD ALONG THE PROPERTY'S FRONTAGE.
AND I WILL SAY THAT THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE PROFFERED TO IMPROVE THAT WITH A TURN LANE, THAT'S GOING TO IMPROVE THE ROADWAY, UM, A SIGNIFICANT LENGTH FROM THE INTERSECTION OF ASHLYN AND DANCIN ROADS DOWN JOHNSON ROAD.
AS WE PUT THAT TURN LANE IN, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THAT WE IMPROVE ESSENTIALLY THAT WHOLE ROAD 200, 250 FEET, 300 FEET TO PUT IN THAT TURN LANE.
SO YOU'LL END UP WITH BRAND NEW ROADWAY, UM, FOR, UH, FOR A GOOD CHUNK OF THAT FRONTAGE.
WHERE WERE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE HITTING IT FROM THAT PARCEL.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE TWO LITTLE PIECES OF RPD THAT WE'VE PULLED INTO THE APPLICATION AND THAT THAT WAS NOT TO GET THIS 20 ACRE MAGIC NUMBER.
IT WAS A TO PRESERVE THIS STREET SCAPE OF ALL TO BE STREET.
WHEN WE DESIGNED PARKSIDE SECTION FOUR, UM, THOSE WERE RESIDUAL PIECES OF LAND, NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO CREATE ANOTHER BUILDING LOT.
UM, SO THEY WERE SORT OF RESERVED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE RESIDUAL PIECES ARE FOLDED INTO THE LAND.
THAT'S THE, UH, MR. OFFICE'S PROPERTY AND CREATING LOTS THAT WAY.
SO WE HAVE A LOT THAT IS PART PARKSIDE, SECTION FOUR PART OF PARKSIDE, UH, SECTION FIVE, I GUESS COULD CALL IT, BUT THAT'S HOW, THAT'S WHY THOSE LOTS ARE IN THERE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A SORT OF A MISSING TOOTH PIECE WHERE THERE'S NOTHING THERE AND THE STREETSCAPE GETS DISRUPTED.
UM, HOW WE SET THAT 20 ACRES WAS REALLY THE, THE LINE DEFINING WHERE THAT RPD
THAT WAS THE MOVABLE LINE PULLING IN THOSE LITTLE PIECES OF RPD WAS REALLY, LIKE I SAID, TO PRESERVE THAT RHYTHMIC STREETSCAPE FROM A SEAMLESS TRANSITION FROM SECTION FOUR INTO SECTION FIVE.
UM, I THINK THOSE WERE THE MAIN QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WRITTEN NOTES ON.
UM, THE NIGHTCLUB USES I TALKED ABOUT IT IS IT WOULD REQUIRE A CUP WOULD COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT ADDITIONAL CHECKS AND BALANCES WOULD BE BENEFICIAL ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO PREVENT A VIBRANT USE.
WE DON'T WANT TO PREVENT A RESTAURANT FROM HAVING MUSIC.
IS IT THREE NIGHTS A WEEK? IS IT FOUR NIGHTS A WEEK? AND WITHOUT THAT CLEAR, THAT CLEAR DISTINCTION, THE CASE BY CASE BASIS, I THINK HERE IS MORE APPROPRIATE.
SO DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS STAGE? OKAY.
SO YEAH, DEFINITELY BE PREPARED.
WE'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK WE'LL MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU'VE FINISHED YOUR PRESENTATION.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON, ON WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION REQUESTING A REZONING OF 41.3, THREE, FOUR ACRES IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF OUR COUNTY AND ANYBODY IN THE ROOM THAT WANTS TO COME FORWARD.
PLEASE DO, AND, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF IF YOU WOULD, AND LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
AND AS THE LIGHT WILL TURN YELLOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A MINUTE LEFT RED, WHEN THE TIME'S UP.
GOOD EVENING, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
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STREET IN PARKSIDE VILLAGE.AND THE PARCEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS DIRECTLY BEHIND MY HOUSE.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE BUILDING OF AN ADDITIONAL SECTION OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE BEHIND THE HOUSE.
I SUPPORT THE BUILDING OF THE 31 NEW HOUSES, BUT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS REALLY, I THINK WHAT'S BEEN ECHOED BY THE BOARD AND ESPECIALLY YOU MR. PETERSON, WHERE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN.
AND I FEEL LIKE THE BOARD IS BEING ASKED TO APPROVE OF A PLAN WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE VITAL, WON'T EVEN SAY DETAILS BECAUSE TO ME IT'S MORE THAN A DETAIL, UH, TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE COMING INTO THAT INDUSTRIAL AREA.
UM, THIS AFTERNOON, UH, I LOOKED AT WHAT COULD POSSIBLY, UH, BE APPROVED BY THE CODE AND THERE ARE SO MANY VARIED USES.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED.
AND THE BOARD IS BEING ASKED TO, TO, UH, TO APPROVE SOMETHING WITHOUT, WITHOUT KNOWING THE PARAMETERS OF IT.
I KNOW THAT I WANT TO HAVE AN ADEQUATE BUFFER, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ADEQUATE BUFFER IS UNTIL I KNOW WHAT'S BEING PUT IN THERE.
I KNOW THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT IS SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX FOOT TREES, BUT AS WE SEE, WE MIGHT HAVE A 60 FOOT BUILDING AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ADEQUATE.
WHAT'S GOING TO BE ADEQUATE TO PROVIDE A BUFFER FOR NOISE.
WHAT'S GOING TO BE ADEQUATE TO PROVIDE A BUFFER FOR LIGHT.
WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN.
SO I FEEL THIS IS A PREMATURE AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO EITHER DEFER OR DENY THE APPLICATION.
LOOKS LIKE I'VE GOT A GREEN LIGHT THIS TIME, STILL BEN JOHNSON, 2151 JOHNSON ROAD.
UH, FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I'M BASICALLY IN FAVOR OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN TERMS OF THE, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, HOMES.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BASICALLY ON THE REMAINDER, BUT FIRST LET ME TAKE YOU BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT, KIND OF SET THIS IN CONTEXT.
63 YEARS AGO, LAST WEEK I WALKED ACROSS THE STAGE.
IT WAS LOCATED JUST BEHIND YOU.
GRADUATE OF GOOCHLAND HIGH SCHOOL.
I'VE LIVED NOW FOR THAT 63 YEARS, PLUS A FEW IN THE SAME, SAME AREA, SAME HOUSE, ALMOST THE HOUSE THAT I LIVE IN HAS BEEN LOCATED WITHIN OH, PROBABLY 500 FEET FROM THE QUIET ITSELF.
IT'S TO MY KNOWLEDGE, SUBSTAIN NO DAMAGE FROM BLASTING LIMIT.
TELL YOU THE BLASTING IN THE OLD DAYS, THAT WAS BLASTING TODAY.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY BECAUSE BALKAN, THE STATE HAS A POLICY, A SET THRESHOLD THAT THEY CANNOT EXCEED.
THEY MONITORED THE BLAST WITH THE ACOUSTIC AND SEISMIC MONITORING.
THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THESE BOXES SITTING ALL AROUND THE STATE HAS A THRESHOLD OF X DECIBELS AND SO FORTH.
VULCAN'S POLICY IS THEY WILL STAY WITHIN HALF OF THAT.
IF, IF A SHOT INADVERTENTLY GOES ABOVE THAT THEY ARE FINGERS POINTED IN QUESTION TO ASK.
SO YOU'LL HEAR BACK, BUT ALSO 63 YEARS AGO, AFTER WALKING ACROSS THE STAGE, I WENT TO WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT STARTED A QUARRY IN A PLACE THAT NOBODY HAD ANY IDEA THAT WOULD BE ONE TODAY IT'S BALKAN MATERIAL.
IT'S GONE THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT HANDS.
BUT MY CONCERN IS THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THIS BUSINESS HAS BEEN THERE THAT LONG.
IS ARE WE DOING ANYTHING TO PUSH THEM OUT ON CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE ROAD TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC FROM JOHNSON ROAD, WHICH IS A HALF MILE LONG AND IT'S PRIVATE, BUT IT TURNS INTO QUARRY HILL LANE, WHICH IS A PRIVATE I'M SORRY.
JOHNSON IS PUBLIC TURNED GENTLE PRIVATE ROAD, WHICH IS QUARRY HILL LANE, WHICH GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO SIX 23.
WE'VE GOT A ONE CONTROL GATE ON THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY.
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PROBABLY A SECOND ONE COMING, BUT I'M WANTING TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THIS TRAFFIC GOES IN WHAT I CALL THE SAFEWAY.AND THAT IS TO, UH, ASHLAND ROAD.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THERE MIGHT BE A REASON TO LOOK AT AT LEAST TWO ENTRANCES.
UH, ARE THEY INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY RATHER THAN JUST ONE CHUCKS WHERE IT'S LOCATED NOW, TRUCKS COMING AROUND THAT CURVE CAN BE A PRETTY LI A LOT OF LEEWAY IN WHERE THEY THINK THAT SOME OF THE ROAD IS.
SO, UH, THAT'S BASIC MY FEELINGS.
UH, I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW COLD WATER ON ANYBODY, BUT I THINK THESE ARE JUST CONCERNS TO BE LOOKED AT.
THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON, IS ANYBODY ONLINE? ALL RIGHT.
JONATHAN LIVE 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
UM, I AM SOMEWHAT OF AN ECHO CHAMBER IN THAT.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD IN THIS.
I FEEL LIKE I'M BACK AT THE SAUSAGE FACTORY AND I HAVE SEEN YOU FOLKS, AND I'M NOT ENCOURAGING THIS, BUT I'VE SEEN YOU FOLKS WAX ELOQUENT UP AS YOU TWEAK AND MASSAGE AND CHANGE APPLICATIONS SO THAT, UM, TO MR. PETERSON, WHO I'M QUOTING A LOT TONIGHT, EVERYBODY GOES HOME HAPPY.
UM, I, I CONCUR THAT NOT KNOWING WHAT WOULD BE BUILT THERE IS OF SOME CONCERN.
AND I REMEMBER IN THIS ROOM, PEOPLE SAYING, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT AN EXTENSION ROAD WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH THERE.
SO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WHAT KIND OF DISCLOSURES ARE GOING TO BE MADE ABOUT THE QUARRY AND THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE GOING IN THERE.
AND TONIGHT, THOSE CAN'T BE ANSWERED.
SO I, AGAIN, PERHAPS WRONGLY, BUT I DO PUT FAITH IN YOU TOO GREAT TO, TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AS TO WHAT WILL BENEFIT THE COUNTY.
THE CURRENT RESIDENTS WHO I LOOK AT IS, IS, UH, IMPORTANT CONSTITUENCY, BUT ALSO DEVELOP THIS COMMERCIALLY, WHICH IS MY GOODNESS.
WE ARE HAVING SOME ADDITIONAL HOMES COME IN, BUT BY GOLLY, WE'RE GETTING SOME BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT REQUESTS HERE TOO, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD THING.
THE OLD 70, 30, 70% RESIDENTIAL, 30% BUSINESS.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE LINK OR PATTY SAUSAGE HERE TONIGHT, BUT IF WE CAN GET THE INDUSTRIAL AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL HOMES, I THINK MR. PETERSON WILL ALL GO HOME HAPPY.
UH, SO THERE'S MY MARKER FOR YOU TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, MAKE US ALL HAPPY.
UM, WESTPOINT CAN DO THAT RIGHT THING.
UM, SO BY AND LARGE, I'D SAY FOLKS, GO TO WORK.
LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUT, UH, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WHOEVER BUYS A HOME THERE KNOWS THAT THEY'RE NEAR QUARRY AND THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS GOING IN, UH, RIGHT BEHIND THEM.
PARTICULARLY IF IT'S APPROVED AS AN UNDEFINED, WE DON'T KNOW IT COULD BE A SUCCESS STORY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, ANOTHER DRIVE SHACK OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT BIG NETTING OUT THERE, BUT GOOD LUCK GUYS.
I'LL BE BACK HERE AND MY SEED, EATING POPCORN AND POINT TO SEE WHAT YOU DECIDE.
THANK YOU, MR. LYLE, ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM AND ONE LINE, IF YOU COULD CUE THEM UP, MS. MOORE, YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF.
UM, I'M LINDA MOORE, UM, 2164 PROFIT ROW MANNEQUIN.
I AM TRUSTING THE BOARD TO MAKE THAT SAUSAGE.
UM, YOU HAVE SO MANY TIMES BEFORE WORKED ON PROPOSALS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE.
I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THERE ARE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AND I THINK WE CAN GET THERE.
I WOULD WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD GET THERE RATHER QUICKLY, LIKE WE DID WITH OTHER, UM, ZONING REQUESTS IN THE PAST, YOU HAVE ALL WORKED REALLY HARD AS A BOARD TO MAKE IT HAPPEN SO THAT EVERYBODY'S NOT A
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HUNDRED PERCENT HAPPY, BUT THEY CAN LIVE WITH THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE.THANK YOU, MS. MOORE, SOMEBODY ELSE QUEUED UP ONLINE OR ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM WISH TO SPEAK TO US ON THIS, ON THIS, UH, APPLICATION.
GOING ONCE AND, AND NOBODY'S RAISING THEIR HAND RIGHT ONLINE.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, UH, APPLICATION REZONING APPLICATION AND WE'LL MOVE INTO SOME DISCUSSION AND WE'LL CERTAINLY BRING YOU UP IN A SECOND, MS. CROFT, AND MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
WHO WANTS TO START? OH, I'LL, I'LL CHANGE IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND JUST START, UM, YOU KNOW, I, AND I, WE WERE LISTENING TO THE COMMENTERS.
I REALIZE WE LIVE IN A, I ALWAYS SAY THIS WHERE MR. SCHOPENHAUER, YOU SAID IT EARLIER.
IT'S IT'S WE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THIS ANYWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN GOODSON.
WE HAVE SOME FOLKS HERE THAT, UH, MR. LAWAN IS MORE KIND OF LIKE GOOD LUCK GUYS AND THROW THAT, THROW THE HOT POTATO BACK UP HERE.
BUT I, I THINK THERE'S SENTIMENT COMES FROM THE SAME SENTIMENT I'M THINKING RIGHT NOW, THIS APPLICATION CONCERNED ME AND STARTED TO CONCERN ME WHEN I LOOKED AT THE LACK OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE
W WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US IN TERMS OF GIVING US CONFIDENCE THAT THIS IS IN YOUR WHEELHOUSE, OR THAT YOU PARTNERED WITH SOMEBODY THAT THIS IS IN THE WHEELHOUSE AND YOU CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
AND MS. CROFT, YOUR PRESENTATION WAS GOOD.
AND IT GOT ME OVER SOME OF MY INITIAL CONCERNS.
AND IN FACT, YOU, UM, YOU MADE A COMMENT THAT I JOTTED DOWN.
YOU SAID THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS ON NO ONE'S SHORT LIST BECAUSE THE ZONING IS NOT IN PLACE.
AND I'LL TELL YOU, I'VE BEEN ON BOARD NOW THREE YEARS.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MAP, WE LOOK AT GOOSE SIGN AND WE HEAR IT.
WE HEARD THIS AFTERNOON FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE, WHERE CAN WE PUT THINGS? AND OF COURSE, WE LOOK AT THIS NORTH EAST CORNER AND WE KIND OF CRINGE LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE OPENED THE DOOR FOR THAT RESIDENTIAL UP THERE, IT'S A GREAT DEMAND FOR IT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A NICE AREA, BUT IT IS CREEPING DOWN INTO THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COUNTY, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT OUR INDUSTRY? AND THAT'S A GOOD PART OF IT.
UM, CERTAINLY THE HEAVIER INDUSTRY, YOU GO SOUTH, YOU GO TO WEST CREEK, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IT'S IT'S BUSINESS.
SO I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND LIKE, HOW CAN WE, AND YOU'RE, YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BECAUSE YOU SPOKE TO US IN TERMS OF GETTING THAT BUFFER IN PLACE WE NEED.
THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT US LIKE, HOW ARE WE GONNA, HOW ARE WE GOING TO REMEDY THIS? OR HOW ARE WE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS CORNER HERE, THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND MAKE THAT TRANSITION.
BUT IT REALLY DOES BOTHER ALL OF US.
I THINK I SHOULD SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT OTHERS HAVE SETTLED ALREADY THOUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO, HOW DO WE PIN THIS DOWN SO THAT WE ADDRESS LINDA PRICE'S CONCERNS? I THINK SHE, SHE WANTS, SHE WANTS THAT BUFFER, BUT ONE OF MY BUFFERING AGAINST, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH THE ANSWER.
BUT, UM, AS WE TALK TONIGHT, I'M GOING TO TRY TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
BUT YOUR COMMENT, NO ONE, THIS IS A NO ONE SHORTLIST BECAUSE ZONING, ISN'T A PLACE THAT TAKES US BACK TO, I THINK WHAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT IN MEETINGS WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF STAFF IS LIKE, SHOULD WE START DOING SOME MORE PROACTIVE ZONING? SHOULD WE, WHEN YOU SHOW YOUR MAP, THAT WAS HELPFUL MAP.
YOU SHOW WHAT CURRENT ZONING AND COMP PLAN.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'VE GOT THIS BOARD THINKING ABOUT, NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BUT GOING FORWARD.
IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO WORKING WITH LAND OWNERS TO, TO CLOSE THAT GAP THAT YOU SHOWED US ON, ON CURRENT ZONING VERSUS A COMP PLAN USE, BUT ON THIS CASE, I THINK I'VE JUST GOT SOME CONCERNS THAT I HOPE WE CAN WORK THROUGH ON HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT TRANSITION.
AND DO Y'ALL, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO COME UP AND ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
NOW WE'LL LET FOLKS TALK, BUT MY QUESTION WILL BE, DO YOU ALL HAVE A PARTNER IN MIND? DO YOU HAVE, I'D LIKE TO REALLY DRILL DOWN WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR THIS, UH, B ONE AND M TWO PROPERTY? BECAUSE AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, AT THE BEGINNING OF MY COMMENTS, I THINK OF YOU AS, AS, AS BUILDERS.
UM, AND WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT I THINK TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH
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A PLAN AND A TEAM AND A PARTNER THAT IS GOING TO ADDRESS THE THINGS THAT I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHARE THE COMMUNITY SHARES AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HEARD SCREAMING OPPOSITION TO THIS.UM, SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO LIKE ABOUT IT, BUT THERE'S SOME GAPS IN IT.
WELL, I THINK YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO REBUTTAL.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD, YOU WANT TO DO THE REBUTTALS? DO YOU WANT TO JUST, WE CAN, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD.
IF, IF EVERYBODY'S GOING TO LEAVE MIC RED, THEN COME ON UP.
BUT, BUT IF Y'ALL LOOK OKAY, THERE WE GO.
UM, SO EARS, HERE'S WHERE I'M AT THE, UH, STAFF HAS INDICATED, I THINK IT'S EIGHT CONCERNS WITH APPLICATION AND THEIR START ON PAGE ONE 61 IN OUR PACKET, I'LL BEGIN WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THEN SEVEN ON THE NEXT PAGE.
IF I COULD HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THOSE EIGHT THINGS, THEN I THINK I WOULD FEEL BETTER, ESPECIALLY THE LAST ONE.
WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT FIRE RESCUE IT'S CONCERN.
IT'S ONE PAGE, ONE 61 AT THE BOTTOM.
IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING CONCERNS REMAIN WITH THIS APPLICATION.
AND THEN THERE'S SEVEN ON THE NEXT PAGE, ONE 62 IN MAYBE PART OF IT, THE PROHIBITED MIGHT POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
I KNOW THEY DID PRAY, BUT SOME, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ENOUGH, UH, FAR STAFF IS THINKING OF SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, BUT IF THESE ARE THE CONCERNS OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF HAS, I THINK I'D LIKE SPECIFIC ANSWERS ON THESE THINGS.
DO WE KNOW IF THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY HAS THE LOOSE LIST OF CONCERNS? YES.
AND I, I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE, UM, YOU WANT ME TO COME ON UP? WHOEVER CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
I THINK THE AFRICAN, I WOULDN'T MIND HAVING SOME OF YOUR, WHAT WE'LL COME BACK AND GET SOME OF YOUR SLIDES BACK UP.
MAYBE WE'LL GET SOME, WE'LL GET SOME COUNTY STAFF SLIDE, BUT RIGHT NOW LET'S GET REAL STAFF AND NOT THE ADVOCATE.
WHAT'S THAT THE FIRST ONE'S REALLY STAFF AND NOT THE APPLICANT.
UM, I THINK IF HOWEVER, YOU, HOWEVER, IF STAFF, DO YOU, DO YOU MIND GOING AHEAD AND PUTTING YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION THERE, MS. CROFT, UNLESS YOU HAVE, I THINK YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO SHOW US ANYTHING FROM YOURS ANYMORE.
AND YOU CAN RELOAD THE EXHIBITS.
WAS THERE SOMETHING SPECIFIC YOU WERE LOOKING FOR MR. LEPTIN? WELL, WHY, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD? SO, SO THAT, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING REMOTELY, JUST DO IT AGAIN.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO PUT, YOU HAD A GOOD LIST OF CONCERNS AND MAYBE LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE WE'RE THE IT DIRECTOR WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE OR OUR, IT PERSON WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO PUT THIS FOR FOLKS WATCHING OR VIEW AT LATER.
SO THE ONE WHERE YOU HAD CONCERNS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DIE.
OUTSTANDING CONCERNS THAT ONE.
AND SO MAYBE LEAVE THAT UP AND THEN A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START SCROLLING, WHERE IS THAT? IS THAT IN OUR PACKET? BECAUSE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN OUR PACKET.
THIS IS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE OUTSTANDINGS.
IT JUST PHRASE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
I JUST DIDN'T REMEMBER SEEING THE FIRE RESCUE ON HERE.
CAN I, DID YOU WANT ME TO COMMENT ON THE FIRE RESCUE? WELL, I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE IT ON HERE, RIGHT.
AND SIT UNDER THE BAY ONE AND THEM TWO.
UH, UNDER THE B ONE, IT TALKS ABOUT JOHNSON ROAD.
SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS WERE SPECIFIC WHEN THEY MADE THOSE CONCERNS TO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
CAUSE THE APPLICANT HAD INITIALLY, UM, INDICATED THEY WERE GOING TO PROPER THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT SHOWS LIKE A LITTLE CLOSER, JUST EXCUSE ME.
THAT WAS THE RENDERING THAT I, THAT SHOWED THE, UM, INDUSTRIAL AND BUSINESS, UH, CONCEPTUAL, WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
UH, SOME OF THE FIREARM RESCUES COMMENTS WERE BASED ON, ON THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT IS NO LONGER, UM, PROFFERING.
SO SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS WENT AWAY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO COMMENT ON, BUT, UM, THERE, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS WITH JOHNSON ROAD, JUST, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT A LOT OF IT WAS TO THE INTERNAL PORTION OF, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT.
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OF OUR ISSUES IS THERE'S NO CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT THEN FIRE RESCUE WAS BASING IT ON PRELIMINARY.SO, UM, THOSE, UM, THOSE, UH, COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED FROM STAFF, UH, WERE WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS FIRST, UM, BROUGHT TO STAFF AND, UM, WHEN THEY BROUGHT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN OUT THAT THE COMMENTS ARE STAYED IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT THEY, SOME OF THEM WERE NOT BASED ON JUST JOHNSON ROAD IN PARTICULAR.
SOME OF THEM WERE, UM, ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT NO LONGER IS PROFFERED, BUT POTENTIALLY COULD STILL BE THE SAME UNTIL WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CONCERNED WAS JUST THE ROAD.
OBVIOUSLY THE CONCERN WASN'T JUST THE ROAD ITSELF, WAS IT? NO, THERE, IT WAS SOME OF IT WAS THE INTERNAL, UM, RENDERING THAT I HAD SHOWED, UH, GETTING THE, GETTING THE, UM, THE APPARATUS AND VEHICLES THROUGH THE SITE OR SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD AS WELL.
SO WE S WE DON'T HAVE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT EVEN NO MA'AM, SO THEY CAN'T EVEN COMMENT ON WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE.
AND ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHERS THAT YOU WANT KELLY TO SPEAK TO FIRST? YOU HAVE TO THINK THE APPLICANT, WELL, I'D SAY, WELL, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, THE TRAFFIC IS STILL AN ISSUE FOR ME.
THEY'VE GOT THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE, SO I THINK THAT'S AN APPLICANT.
UM, NO, PROBABLY THE REST IS PROBABLY JUST THE COMP PLAN WOULD BE FOR THIS STAFF FOR COUNTY.
WELL, I THINK YOUR, YOUR COMP PLAN OBJECTION, IS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
THAT IS CORRECT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF TRUE FOR THAT, EVERYTHING NORTH OF THAT.
I THINK THAT'S JUST, THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT JUST EXISTS THERE.
AND I THINK WE'RE DEALING WITH THE TRANSITION.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO TRANSITION THAT, THAT SEEMS TO ME WITH THIS APPLICATION IS ABOUT, WELL, THE, OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DIDN'T COME UP WHEN WE DID THE 61 HOMES OR WHATEVER, WASN'T AN ISSUE.
UM, IF I CAN, UH, JUST KIND OF GO BACK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF HOW SO SOME PORTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOW RESIDENTIAL AND SOME SHOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARIES, IT SHOWS, UM, THE FLEX, WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS DONE, IT, WE WENT BACK AND CHANGED WHERE IT WENT FROM FLEXIBLE RE RECOMMENDED, AND THEN THE BOARD, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
WHEN THE PLAN WAS REDONE, IT WAS THEN COLORED IN YELLOW.
SO WE WENT WITH WHAT WAS EXISTING, BUT THIS IS NOT EXISTING.
SO THAT'S WHY IT IS NOT AND COMPLY.
SO, SO THE REZONING CASE CHANGED THE COMP PLAN IN ESSENCE IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT WAS PUT THERE, KIND OF CHANGED THE COMP PLAN.
IT WASN'T THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
WELL, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL ZONING, THE ORIGINAL PARKSIDE, BUT THEN WE EXPANDED THEN PARKSIDE GOT EXPANDED.
AND NOW THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND EXPANSION.
MY POINT IS, IS WHEN WE DID THE SECOND EXPANSION, WHY WASN'T THIS ISSUE OF THE BOUNDARY, AN ISSUE THEN? AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT IS NOW IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE, THE SECOND TIME THE SECOND EXTRACTION WAS DONE.
SO WE DID, WE, WHEN WE CHANGED THE COMP PLAN FOR THE FIRST ONE, DID WE EXP WAS THE AREA THAT WAS PLANNED FOR THIS LARGER, THE COMP PLAN GOT, GOT LARGER.
UH, WHEN THE FIRST ZONING CASE CAME THROUGH IN 2013, IT WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, UM, IN 2016, THEY, UH, THE APPLICANT DID INDICATE THAT THEY WANTED TO EXPAND PARKSIDE AND IT WAS JUST TO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
UM, SO WE DID CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THAT TIME, JUST FOR THAT SMALL AREA, UM, THAT ALLOWED THE 61 HOME.
SO WHEN IT CAME THROUGH IN 2018, IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THE APPLICANT, WHEN WE FIRST DID THE FIRST, THEY ASKED THAT THAT BE CHANGED BECAUSE THEY HAD PLANS TO EXPAND, SORRY, DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS LATER IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE ADDRESSED THE FACT THAT WE KNEW THEY WERE LOOKING TO THAT EXPANSIVE, RIGHT.
BUT NOW WE'RE DOING THE SECOND EXPANSION, RIGHT? WELL, THE SECOND IS THE FLAIR OF PHRASE, THE THIRD PHASE.
SO THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE COMP PLAN.
SO WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT TWICE NOW.
SO WHERE DOES IT STOP? DID THAT? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
AND, AND SO, I MEAN, I THINK DO WE, WELL, IT SEEMS TO ME,
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THE QUESTION IS THAT'S WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS TAUGHT.IF WE WERE TO DO, IF WE WERE TO BUILD A TRANSITION RIGHT NOW WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO RPU D IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD BE TOUGHER ON THE EXISTING HOMES, AT LEAST NOW, WHAT, WHAT APPEALS TO ME ABOUT THIS APPLICATION NOW IS WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL BELOW WHERE THERE'S EXISTING, RESIDENTIAL, ANYBODY BUYING IN THE NEW, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, ANYBODY BUYING THERE IS GOING TO KNOW, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS SPECIFICALLY, BUT, BUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW THAT SOME COMMERCIAL THEY'RE A THEY'RE NEAR CORY AND SOME COMMERCIAL IS ON TAP AS SHOWN.
OTHERWISE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO SHIFT AND DO THINGS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO PLOP WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO RPD.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SOME KIND OF SOMETHING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE, UH, SOME INDUSTRIAL.
WHY, WHEN WE EXPANDED, WE DID THAT SECOND EXPANSION WITH THE 61 HOMES.
WE KNEW THE REST WAS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.
WELL, I STILL ZONED, IT WAS STILL ZONE WITH THE ZONING.
DIDN'T REFLECT THAT THE CONSOLE, BUT IT WAS STILL WASN'T IT STILL FLEX THOUGH.
I THINK, I THINK WHERE WE'RE MOVING NOW IS WE'RE GETTING THE ZONING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
SO WE'RE THAT MUCH CLOSER TO SOMEBODY BUYING.
AND THIS NEW PART IS GOING TO SEE THE ZONING, NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO JUST KNOW ABOUT A COMP PLAN.
THEY'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY KNOW THAT IT'S A ZONE.
SO I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS ATTRACTIVE FOR ME TO GET US THE TRANSITION THAT WE SO DESPERATELY NEED.
BUT AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THAT TRANSITION GOING TO LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW? WE JUST KNOW IT'S A ZONING TRANSITION.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY COMFORT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ADEQUATE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT'S MIGHT GO THERE.
WE SHOULD BE LOOKING, JUST LOOKING AT THIS WAY MORE, BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE EAST.
WHEN THE COMMENTS FOR THIS FIRST CAME UP, I WAS ASKED ABOUT THIS 18 MONTHS AGO, WHAT'S IT DIFFERENT BUILDER WHO WAS HERE AND LEFT.
UM, AND I WAS WITH STAFF AND THEY, THEY, THEY WANTED TO DO RPU DAVID THAT DIDN'T HAVE 20 ACRES, AND THEY WANTED US TO ADJUST THAT SO THAT THEY COULD DO IT.
UM, I LOOKED AT IT AND I, AND I LOOKED AT A NARROW VIEW AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, I COULD AGREE THAT THIS SQUARES DOWN PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
AND THEN IF WE START COMMERCIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, THE COMMERCIAL MARKET IS ON DOWN ASHLAND ROAD AND UP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ASHLAND ROAD.
SO EVERYTHING FROM THE HAM, HAM OVER LINE THAT HAD BACKED TO 64, IT'S GOING TO BE THAT'S OUR COMMERCIAL AREA.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD.
AND THAT GIVES US A SQUARED OFF BOX.
BUT I HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME SAYING IF YOU ZONE IT, THEY WILL COME.
YOU KNOW, WE APPROVED SOMETHING A YEAR AGO SAYING THAT THE FIRST COMMERCIAL HAD TO BE BUILT BEFORE ANY RESIDENTIAL COULD BE, AND IT'S BEEN 18 MONTHS AFTER 10 YEARS.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S EITHER STOOD OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT WHERE THE LANE CHANGES WOULD BE.
I MEAN, THERE'S, NOTHING'S HAPPENING ON IT.
UM, SO I LOOK AT THIS AND I STILL THINK IF YOU SQUARE THAT OFF, IT MAKES SENSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL, BUT WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE? AND I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, I UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE LAND, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN BUILDING PADS OR DESIGNING PADS FOR THIS, THAT, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO COME AND LOOK AT IT, BUT ARE WE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE COULD BE SITTING HERE 10 YEARS FROM NOW GOING, I CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL TO GET GOING.
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DEPARTMENT? HAVE THEY WEIGHED IN ON THIS? UM, YES.UM, INITIALLY, UM, WHEN THIS CAME THROUGH AT THE SAME TIME WHEN, UH, WE WERE RECEIVING, UM, COMMENTS FROM OTHER STAFF, SUCH AS FIRE, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DID ACTUALLY, UH, WEIGH IN AND SAID THAT, THAT THERE WAS A FOR, UM, M TWO ZONING.
AND I THINK THEY SPECIFICALLY, UM, HAD A POTENTIAL USER IN MIND.
AND, UM, SO THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
SO, UM, SO, SO YES, THERE, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, IS, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF MS. CROFT.
HOW, HOW, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN OUR STAFF BRINGS YOU LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SAYS, HEY, W WE, WE, WE KNOW WE HAVE APPLICANTS THAT MAKE EDGES, WHAT ARE Y'ALL GONNA DO WITH THAT INFORMATION? HOW ARE WE ALL GOING TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WELL, RESPOND, DEFINITELY RESPOND TO IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE FIRST THING, RIGHT? SO I WILL SAY MR. SHARP, YOUR POINT ABOUT BUILD IT.
IT'S, IT'S HARD TO, TO HOPE AND FOR, AND TRUST THAT.
AND I THINK I TOLD YOU OVER THE PHONE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MORNING AFTER OUR PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, WE RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM A BROKER AND THEY WERE VERY EXCITED.
UM, AND THEY SAID, GET THROUGH ZONING.
UM, I THINK THOUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, HEARING, HEARING THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, YOU KNOW, EAGLE HAS ITS FOUR CORE VALUES, RIGHT? PASSION, ACCOUNTABILITY, RESPECT, AND COMMITMENT.
AND WE STAND BY ALL FOUR OF THOSE.
UM, THEY DRIVE EVERY DECISION THAT WE MAKE.
PARKSIDE VILLAGE IS AN EAGLE COMMUNITY.
THESE ARE OUR RESIDENTS, AND WE WANT TO DO RIGHT BY THEM BY PROVIDING THESE WIDER BUFFERS, BY PROVIDING HOMES AGAINST HOMES AND REALLY CREATING THAT APPROPRIATE, HEAVY TRANSITION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK HAVING HEARD THEIR COMMENTS HYPE SEEMS TO BE A BIG CONCERN BY RIGHT HEIGHT IN THE M TWO IT'S SIX STORIES, MAYBE WHERE WE'RE COMMITTED TO, WE'RE HAPPY TO PROFFER A THREE-STORY MAX.
YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THAT PROVIDING THAT REALLY WIDE BUFFER OVER A HUNDRED FEET, 200 FEET, 300, ITS WIDEST WITH THREE ROWS OF EVERGREEN TREES WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
WE HEAR THE COMMUNITY SAYING THAT THEY'RE SCARED.
IT'S NOT, WE HEAR YOU SAYING YOU'RE SCARED.
SO WE'LL REDUCE THE HEIGHT, THREE STORIES.
THAT'S, THAT'S A COMMITMENT WE CAN MAKE TONIGHT AT THE PODIUM.
UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE WANT TO DO RIGHT BY OUR, BY OUR HOME BUYERS AT THE, AT THE VERY, THAT, THAT, THAT DRIVES ALL OF OUR DECISIONS.
SO, UM, HOW DO WE PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY? WE'RE HAPPY TO HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UM, PROFFERED PLANS ARE SO LIMITING AND I THINK THAT IS WHY WE RECEIVED A PHONE CALL THE VERY NEXT MORNING.
UM, AND I, TO POINT TO THE LODGE AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY A CONCEPT PLAN IS NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE MOST FLEXIBLE HERE IN THIS, IN THIS INSTANCE, BUT POTENTIALLY USERS HAVING TO, TO WADE THROUGH, UM, WELL, DOES THIS PLAN FIT OUR NEEDS? NO.
WELL, WE'LL TRY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, HOW DO WE, AGAIN, SET THIS UP FOR SUCCESS? YOU HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE, BUT YOU CAN BE FLEXIBLE BECAUSE YOU'VE PUT IN THE SAFEGUARDS, WE HAVE THAT BUFFER, WE'RE LIMITING THE HEIGHT, HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UM, YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY MUCH PREFER RESIDENTIAL AGAINST RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AND I CAN GO THROUGH THESE THE SEVEN BULLET POINTS AND REALLY EXPLAIN TO YOU OUR THOUGHTS AND WHY WE FULLY BELIEVE IN THIS PROJECT.
I KNOW THAT STAFF IS IT'S NOT CONSISTENT.
WE'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
RESIDENTIAL AGAINST RESIDENTIAL REALLY PROTECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE PROHIBITED ALL OF THE INTENSE NASTY USES, UM, THAT WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE AGAINST THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD WE'VE LEFT IN THE POTENTIAL FOR A NIGHTCLUB DUE TO THE MUSIC, THE MUSIC ASPECT, THERE HAS BEEN NO CLEAR DIRECTION ON HOW MANY NIGHTS A WEEK OR HOW MUCH MUSIC IS TOO MUCH MUSIC FROM A RESTAURANT TO A NIGHTCLUB.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO PREVENT IT.
LET'S LOOK AT IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACT TRAFFIC ON JOHNSTON
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ROAD.THE CONCERN ABOUT TRUCK TRAFFIC ON JOHNSON ROAD.
WE'RE IMPROVING IT WITH TURN LANES.
UM, WE'RE IMPROVING THE ROADWAY.
IT SHOULD, IF ANYTHING, TRUCK TRAFFIC ON JOHNSON ROAD SHOULD BE SMOOTHER WHEN WE'RE DONE.
I THINK I'VE COVERED THAT OVER, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN COVERED THAT WE NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE.
IT'S THE ONLY WAY THESE BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO WANT TO COME HERE.
UM, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, MORE ARCHITECTURE, BILLING, MATERIAL GUIDELINES, RESTRICTIONS.
WE'RE HAPPY TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT, THREE STORIES MAX FOR HEIGHT, AND THEN FIRE AND RESCUE MS. SHERRY NOTED THAT THAT WAS REALLY A COMMENT BASED ON THE INTERNAL CIRCULATION OF THE, THE YIELD STUDY PLAN THAT WE HAD DONE.
UM, WHEN WE CAME IN TO DO OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN, WE WERE DIRECTED TO SORT OF CREATE A MOST CASE.
I'M NOT GOING TO CALL IT BEST OR WORST CASE, UH, MOST CASE SCENARIO AND BASED OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ON THAT TO SEE REALLY WHAT COULD BE GENERATED.
SO THAT IS WHAT THAT YIELD STUDY WAS BASED AND FIRE AND RESCUE COMMENTED ON THE INTERNAL CIRCULATION ON THAT WATER COLOR RENDERING PLAN THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKETS.
THAT'S WHERE THERE, WHERE THAT COMMENT CAME FROM.
UM, NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A PLAN PROFFERED, THE CON THE, THE COMMENT IS NOT OBSOLETE TO SAY THE LEAST.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT TIED TO THAT PLAN WHEN WE GO THROUGH POD LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT.
THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS THAT WE ARE, THAT WE HAVE TO MEET IN TERMS OF ROADWAYS AND CIRCULATION.
UM, SO W W SO WHY DO YOU SAY THAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED PHASING? UM, I'VE ADDRESSED IT IN THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT TIE IT, THAT, THAT WE CANNOT FACE IT.
AT THIS POINT, WE CANNOT TIE THAT COMMERCIAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO AS A STAFF NOTED THAT WE'RE, WE'RE BUILDING OUT SECTION FOUR, WE ARE CLOSE TO BEING COMPLETELY BUILT OUT.
WE WOULD LOVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF DISRUPTION TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS POSSIBLE.
UM, WE'D LOVE TO, TO FINISH IT UP AND BOOKEND IT AND BE FINISHED.
SO I THINK WE MIGHT JUST BE MISUNDERSTANDING ON THE PHASING PIECE, BUT LET ME ADD MR. SHARP MUCH EARLIER THIS EVENING, HE SAID THAT SOMETHING ABOUT THE, UM, GETTING IT IN, GETTING IT INTO THE DISTRICT.
AND IF I SAY, AND THEN I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR, YOUR PROFFER, YOUR PROFFER IS ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE BECAUSE YOU, AND SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL YOU GET IT IN THE DISTRICT.
THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT WE WOULD NOT PUT IT IN THE DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PROFFERED.
WE WANT IT TO BE IN THE DISTRICT.
SO YOUR PROFFER IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL YOU PUT IT IN THE DISTRICT.
DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T TELL US YOU'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING YOU CAN.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU OFFER THAT YOU WILL APPLY TO GET IT IN THE DISTRICT FORTHWITH? YEAH.
HA WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION.
SO THAT, THAT PROFIT SHOULD BE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, JUST NOT SO THAT WE WON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE GET IN, BUT RATHER THAT WE WILL PURSUE THE APPLICATION TO GET IN WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY DONE.
WELL, YES, THE COMMERCIAL, THE COMMERCIAL HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR AND APPLIED FOR, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROFFER ON THE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO, WELL, THEY HAVE TO BRING IT IN ANYWAY.
SO, UM, TO GET THE WATER AND SEWER, IT NEEDS TO BE IN, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WE CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING IN THE RPD WITHOUT IT.
SO Y YOU CAN'T PROFFER A REGULATION NECESSARILY.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT PART, BUT I'LL GO WITH THE WAY IT WAS PHRASED.
AND MAYBE YOU DID TELL US THE APPLICATION IS PENDING, BUT I KIND OF THOUGHT YOU'RE GONNA, AND THIS IS ALWAYS OUR CONCERN.
WHEN FOLKS SAY, WE WANT TO DO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO, WE WANT TO DO SOME RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
AND WE'RE AFRAID WE'LL THE COURSE WAS JUST GOING TO SIT THERE.
AND I, YEAH, IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE OUR INTENTION IS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE PERCEIVED INTENTION IS FROM THE BOARD.
UM, IT WAS, IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO US THAT WE PUT THE PROFFER IN TO ENSURE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION FOR THE TCSD THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPLIED FOR, WE ARE CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO GET THAT APPROVED.
UM, I THINK IT'S WOULD LIKELY BE AN AUGUST, BUT THAT'S MR. LONG SHORES CALL, I THINK.
UM, BUT YES, IT IS EVERY INTENTION THAT WE'RE GOING FORWARD, WE'VE APPLIED FOR IT.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOU'RE SAYING,
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WE CERTAINLY, WE KNOW YOU HAVE TO DO THIS IN A WAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SELL YOUR HOMES.SO WE KNOW YOU HAVE TO SELL THE HOMES AND THAT WHAT'D YOU DO.
AND WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO PROFFER AWAY THE VIABILITY OF DOING SOMETHING WITH THE COMMERCIAL.
BUT THAT'S, AND THAT'S OUR STRUGGLE, I THINK, IS JUST TRYING TO FIND THAT BALANCE THAT SERVES OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO WITH THOSE SAFEGUARDS.
UM, THE BUFFER WILL REDUCE THE HEIGHT.
IT WAS TO AMEND TO TAKE IT DOWN TO, WELL, IT'S IN ITS FEET.
SO I THINK IT'S 60 AND THEN 80, IF IT'S FIRE PROTECTED, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S THREE 45, 45, AND THERE FOR DISCUSSION 15 FEET PER STORY, MAYBE 12 TO 15 FEET, THIS 45 FEET THEN SOUND LIKE AN APPROPRIATE THREE STORY HEIGHT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT STAFF THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT? WELL, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE, HE WAS, MR. PETERSON WAS ASKING, WHAT DOES THAT INCLUDE HPAC AND PENDING? AND I THINK THE ORDINANCE DEALS WITH THAT, AND YOU CAN PUT SOME THINGS ON TOP OF THE ROOF TO HIDE EQUIPMENT AND STUFF, BUT THIS, I THINK WE'RE MAKING, WE'RE MAKING SAUSAGE PATTIES OR SOMETHING.
UM, SO I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING ONE OF THE VTECH COMMENT.
UM, THE RESIDENTIAL PART NEEDS A SECOND CONNECTION OR A WAIVER OF THE STANDARD OR RANDOM A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER IS NOT A SUFFICIENT REASON FOR A WAIVER.
PLEASE SHOW THE BOWL ENTRANCES TO THE COMMERCIAL PART, MEET ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARDS.
HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED.
SO WE ARE REQUESTING WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE STEPS TO REQUEST THAT WAIVER FROM DOT.
THERE ARE, UM, LET ME GET BACK TO THE PLAN.
UM, SO WHAT THEIR, THEIR SSA OR THEIR SECONDARY STREET ACCEPTANCE REQUIREMENTS, I THINK IS WHAT IT'S CALLED, UM, AN ERIC PROBABLY.
SO V2 IS ALWAYS HOPEFUL TO GET MORE THAN ONE CONNECTION OR A STUB STREET OUT OF A PARCEL.
SO ALL TO BE STREET ENDED RIGHT ABOUT HERE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PROPOSING JUST TO KIND OF STRETCH THAT CULDESAC OVER TOWARDS ASHLAND ROAD.
BUT IF YOU NOT A SET IS THEY WOULD PREFER THAT WE COME OUT EITHER TO ASHLAND ROAD OR PUT A STOP TO THE INDUSTRIAL.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT A RANDOM HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER.
I, I I'M ASSUMING THEY DID NOT REALIZE THAT THERE WAS A WATERS OF THE U S UH, JURISDICTIONALLY APPROVED PERENNIAL STREAM WITH ITS BUFFER THAT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.
WATERS IF YOU S UH, I'M SORRY.
IT'S, UH, IT'S A PERENNIAL STREAM DESIGNATED AS SUCH AN APPROVED BY THE U S CORPS ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
UM, AND WITH THE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER AS RECOMMENDED BY GOOCHLAND COUNTY STAFF, THAT IS ONE OF THEIR GROUNDS FOR AN EXCEPTION.
UM, ANOTHER GROUNDS FOR AN EXCEPTION IS THAT IT WOULD BE TIED.
IT WOULD BE LINKING TO INCOMPATIBLE USES AND WITH INDUSTRIAL ON, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER EXCEPTION REASON IS THAT WE, THEY WOULD NOT REQUIRE THAT WE CONNECT TO AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT FROM A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS AND GETTING ALL THAT TIED UP TO OKAY.
UM, AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE TRAFFIC, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO ASHTON ROAD.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE IMPACT ANALYSIS, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL ROADS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HAMPERED, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE OF THE, MY UNDERSTANDING.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL IT'S BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL, BUT IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, ANYTHING WE PUT, THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO WIND UP IN THE SAME SITUATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, I'M GOING TO LET MR. STROH HACKER SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, TURN LANES ARE PROFFERED THOUGH, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THE HUNDRED FOOT WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFERS AND THEN WHERE WITH THE WRONG BUTTON? OKAY.
UM, SO IT SAYS ESSENTIALLY THE TREELINE SHOWN HERE IS IT'S A HUNDRED FOOT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CENTER LINE CENTER LINE OF THE PERENNIAL STREAM.
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MY PLAN DEAR SHARON DIFFERENTLY, BUT THIS, SO REALLY THAT BUFFER IS JUST GOING TO STAY.AND IT'S REALLY ONLY PROTECTING THAT CORNER OF THE BOTTOM CORNER OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, BECAUSE YOU'RE 30, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE SAYING IN PART B OF YOUR BUFFERS ADJACENT TO ANY RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY, A 30 FOOT BUFFER SHALL BE PROVIDED AND PLANTED WITH A STAGGERED DOUBLE ROW OF EVERGREEN TREES, A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AT THE TIME OF PLANTING AND SPACED 15 FEET ON CENTER.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT MS. MRS. PRICE IS TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT KIND OF BUFFER IS THAT GOING TO BE? AND, BUT THAT'S THAT'S, AND THAT IS NOT DEPICTED AS, YOU KNOW, TREE FOR TREE ON THIS PLAN.
UM, IT, IT WAS A PROFFER WRITTEN IN AFTER THE FACT TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT PROTECTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO YES, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY, IT'S, IT'S THREE, IT'S A TRIPLE STAGGERED ROW.
UM, TWO ROWS ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE AND ONE ROW ON TOP OF THIS BERM ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UH, MY NAME IS ERIC STROH, AKER, UH, PRESIDENT GLS, TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
UH, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
I THINK WE'LL START WITH THE LATEST ONE.
AND IT WAS, UH, I THINK, RELATED TO, UH, THE IMPACT OF GROWTH IN GENERAL, AND MAYBE THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THIS STUDY AREA, UH, JUST FOR REFERENCE.
SO WE, WE LOOKED AT FIVE, UH, INTERSECTIONS WITHIN THE AREA.
UH, TECHNICALLY ONE OF THEM WAS ACTUALLY IN HANOVER COUNTY.
UH, THAT'S THE SIGNAL AT ASHLAND AND POUNCEY TRACT, UM, UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.
WE ARE NOT IN TYPICAL CONDITIONS, WE'RE IN ATYPICAL CONDITIONS.
SO WE HAVE TO EXERCISE A METHODOLOGY TO GET EXISTING CONDITIONS TO SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER TYPICAL.
IN THIS INSTANCE, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE A DATA COLLECTION BECAUSE OF THE PARKSIDE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT DATA IN COMPARISON TO CURRENT DATA SETS, WHICH WAS DONE THIS YEAR.
UH, WE WERE PROBABLY ABOUT 75% OF 2018, UH, CONDITIONS.
SO WE ADJUSTED ALL OF OUR INTERSECTION COUNTS TO THAT 2018 DATA SET THAT 75%.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WHEN WE PROJECT TO A BUILD OUT YEAR, WHICH WAS 20, 24 FOR THIS CONDITION, WE DIDN'T PROJECT FROM 2021, WE PROJECTED FROM 2018.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY ADDED MORE GROWTH DUE TO THE GLOBAL GROWTH CONCERNS.
ONCE WE GET BACK TO A NORMAL STATE OF THINGS, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ONGOING DEVELOPMENT, UH, OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, IT WAS A 2% ANNUAL GROWTH RATE.
UH, SO WE DID IT FOR, UH, 2018, 2024.
SO THAT'S A SIX YEAR GROWTH PERIOD.
THAT GROWTH HAS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT OF THE STUDY AREA BECAUSE SOME OF THESE INTERSECTIONS LIKE COMMERCE DRIVE COMES TO MIND, A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC, UH, ENTERING AND EXITING THE UNCIVILIZED SIDE STREET MOVEMENT, WHICH WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS GROWTH.
UH, THAT INTERSECTION GOES FROM UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS TO A UNACCEPTABLE CONDITION UNDER 2024 BUILT OUT OF BACKGROUND WITHOUT THE SITE.
UM, THE OTHER TWO INTERSECTION MOVEMENTS WITHIN THE STUDY AREA, WHERE AT THE ASHLAND ROAD, POUNCEY TRACT INTERSECTION, BOTH BASICALLY BOTH, UH, ASHLAND ROAD APPROACHES TO THE SIGNAL, UH, ARE OPERATING AT UNACCEPTABLE CONDITIONS UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS, 2018, UH, POST PANDEMIC CONDITIONS.
UM, SO THE CORRIDOR ASH, THE, THE CORNER OF RATIONAL IS HEAVILY TRAVELED MORE SO AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE INTERCHANGE, UH, IT WAS VERY EVIDENT FROM THE DATA COLLECTION THAT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIAL ON THIS CORRIDOR IS VERY MUCH ORIENTED TOWARDS THAT INTERCHANGE AT, UH, INTERSTATE 64.
UM, SO AS YOU ADD TRAFFIC TO THAT, WHETHER IT'S THIS DEVELOPMENT OR A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, IT IS GOING TO BE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY ON THE UNCIVILIZED SIDE STREET MOVEMENTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING AT COMMERCE DRIVE, FOR INSTANCE, UM, AS YOU GET FURTHER AWAY FROM THE 64 INTERCHANGE, NOT QUITE AS DRAMATIC BECAUSE YOU GOT LESS TRUCK TRAFFIC, A LITTLE BIT LESS TRAFFIC IN GENERAL, UH, JOHNSON ROAD, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE MOST IMPACT BY THE SITE BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING TRAFFIC TO THE SIDE STREET ITSELF.
UH, THAT INTERSECTION IS BEING IMPACTED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT FORCED
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US TO CONSIDER, OKAY, WHAT ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS? WHAT ARE THE REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS? AND THEN, AND I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER IN THE, IN THE EVENING ABOUT WHAT PRECIPITATED THE CALL FOR THESE TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS, MAINLINE MAJOR STREET APPROACHES, WHICH IS A ASHLAND ROAD THAT IS A FOUR NON SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.THERE IS A, A VOLUME WARRANT THAT WE HAVE TO APPLY TO THE FUTURE CONDITION WITH THE SITE.
AND WHEN THAT VOLUME WARN IS APPLIED, THIS V DOT METHODOLOGY, UH, A SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN INTO THE ONTO JOHNSON ROAD IS WARRANTED IN A NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE ONTO JOHNSON ROAD IS WARRANTED THE WESTBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE, HOWEVER, WHICH IS ON JOHNSON ROAD, EXITING JOHNSON ROAD TO ASHLAND ROAD.
THAT IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE REQUIREMENT.
THERE IS NO VOLUME WAR ON THAT WHEN WE DID THE ANALYSIS WITH JUST THE TWO MAIN LINE IMPROVEMENTS, WE'VE GOT AN UNACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE ON THE WESTBOUND APPROACH WHERE YOU HAD THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT'S TIED TOGETHER.
SO THE IMPROVEMENT THAT WE RECOMMENDED FREE THAT UP, IMPROVE THE OVERALL CONDITION FOR THAT APPROACH TO AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
UM, SO, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIAG, LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM, YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO SPLIT THE LEFT AND THE WESTBOUND JOHNSON.
YOU NEED TO SPLIT THAT INTO THE LEFT TURN AND RIGHT TURN THAT'S CORRECT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO JUST, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS JUST A SKETCH, BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE THERE BE THREE LANES, THREE LANES FOR SOME SEGMENT OF THAT WESTERN END OF JOHN THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, YOU'LL HAVE TO, UH, WHAT I CALL WESTBOUND LANES LEFT AND RIGHT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE EASTBOUND LANE ENTERING JOHNSON ROAD AND, AND, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A RIGHT A RIGHT TURN LANE GOING NORTH ON ASHLAND.
AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A LEFT TURN CENTER LINE.
THERE'LL BE A LEFT TURN, UH, SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN, WHICH WILL HAVE TO BE TRANSITIONED IN BASED ON THE SPEED OF ASHLYN ROAD, UH, AND THE, AND THE BENEFIT OF THAT.
AND THERE IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE BENEFIT.
THE, THE, THE SPECIFIC, UH, TOM MENTIONED EARLIER THAT LEVEL SERVICE FOR THE LEFT TURNS ARE NOT NECESSARILY IMPROVED BY THE IMPROVEMENT AS CORRECT.
HOWEVER, TODAY, IF YOU'RE IN THE THREE LANE AND YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, AND THERE'S A LEFT TURN IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU ARE NOW BEING IMPACTED BECAUSE THAT LEFT TURN WILL HAVE TO STOP AND YOU WILL HAVE TO STOP AS WELL.
ONCE THE TURN LANES ARE IN THAT NO LONGER OCCUR.
SO THE THREE MOVEMENTS ON ASHLAND ROAD, THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL IMPROVE.
I WAS THINKING THAT IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER LANE AND YOU GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE WAY AND LET PEOPLE GOING THROUGH, GO THROUGH IT, WHETHER IT'S A TECHNICALLY A LEVEL OF SERVICE IMPROVEMENT, NOT IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT.
BUT THE WARRANT IS BASED ON VOLUME.
SO WARRANT IS JUST, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT
AND DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU FALL ON THAT SCALE OF THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOSE VOLUME, FOR EACH MOVEMENT, YOU WILL OR WILL NOT WARRANT A TURN LANE.
SO HOW SO, HOW, WHAT, WHAT THIS KIND OF GOES TO THE CRUX OF THIS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN THAT B ONE IN THAT M TWO AREA, HOW DO YOU DO A MEANINGFUL MEASURE OF WHAT'S NEEDED THERE, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO USE IS GOING TO BE, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO, UH, AS PART OF THE BEGINNING OF ANY TRAFFIC STUDY PROCESS, WE, AS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, WE WANT TO KNOW ACCESS, WE WANT TO KNOW LANE USE AND WE WANT TO KNOW DENSITY.
AND SO THAT WAS BASICALLY SUPPLIED TO ME AS PART OF AN INITIAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD ENTAIL.
THEN WE CAN THEN TAKE THOSE PIECES OF INFORMATION AS PARTICULAR, YOUR QUESTION, THE LAND USE AND THE DENSITY ITSELF.
WE KNOW, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
WE KNOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME LEVEL OF RETAIL, AND THEN WE HAVE STATISTICAL RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE CAN GENERATE TRAFFIC BASED ON THOSE THINGS, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE FOOTAGE IN THE AREA, THAT'S GOING TO BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
AND THEN STATISTICALLY SPEAKING, WE CAN GET PRETTY GOOD, ACCURATE, UH, UNDERSTANDING IF, UH, BASED ON EXISTING FACILITIES THAT WE WOULD EXPECT THIS NUMBER OF TRAFFIC PEAK HOUR, UH, DAILY TRAFFIC VOLUMES.
AND SO THAT'S, WE TAKE THAT AND THEN APPLY THAT TO THE, TO THE STUDY AREA AND UNDERSTAND YOUR TELLING US THAT IT'S B ONE AND IT'S M TWO AND PRETTY MUCH FOR ANY,
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ANYTHING THAT WOULD FIT THAT WE HAVE MEASURED.WE HAVE APPLIED THE RIGHT COUNTY IT'S WITHIN THAT INDUSTRIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY OF WHAT THE TRIP GENERATION CHIP TRIP GENERATION MANUAL WOULD SUGGEST THAT BE OKAY, THEN WE HAVE HIT IT IF HOWEVER, SOMETHING COMES ALONG.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CASE HERE, BUT THE, THERE IS RECOURSE TO GO BACK AND SAY, WELL, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
THAT DENSITY, THAT LANE USE DOESN'T MATCH WHAT YOU STUDIED IN THE, IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
IF IT INCREASES TRAFFIC, YOU HAVE AVENUE TO COME BACK.
VETO CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE WE DO SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY BUILDS SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND DOESN'T NEED A CUP.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL ASPECTS FROM VITAS PERSPECTIVE, THOUGH, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T HIT THE BUILD-OUT YEAR.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE GROWTH GOES FURTHER OUT, UH, LAND USE DENSITY, ACCESS.
ANY OF THOSE THINGS HAVE AN IMPACT ON HOW THE STUDY AREA WOULD, WOULD LOOK IN THE FUTURE.
AND IF THERE'S REASON ENOUGH REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S MISSED IN THE INITIAL TRAFFIC STUDY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND REVISIT.
SO YOUR STUDY ALSO CONTEMPLATED THAT OTHER ENTRANCE UP FURTHER OUT OF THE
THE STUDY AREA DID NOT LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE SIDE DRIVES ON JOHNSON ROAD, BUT WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THAT ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON JOHNSON ROAD WOULD BE UTILIZING JOHNSON ROAD AND, AND, UH, ASHLAND ROAD AS PART OF THE STUDY.
WELL, UH, WHATEVER WAS PROPOSED, I THINK IT WAS, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT WE PROPOSED, UH, THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THE TRAFFIC STUDY ASSUMED A HUNDRED, 9,020 SQUARE FEET OF A GENERAL INDUSTRIAL, UH, AND ABOUT 35,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USES BETWEEN OFFICE AND RETAIL AND THEN THE 31 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE PUT IN THE STORE.
AND I UNDERSTAND, I KNOW THIS IS NOT A PROFFER.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW IT'S NOT PROFFERED, BUT I, I GUESS I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME UNKNOWNS.
I THINK ALL OF US ARE A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, TO THIS THING, TO COME BACK AND BITE US WITH LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
THE, UH, I'M SORRY, WHILE YOU'RE STILL THERE.
THE M TWO, ONE HUNDRED NINE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED NINE THOUSAND TWENTY SQUARE FEET.
HOW MANY STORIES WAS THAT? ASSUMING? UH, WE JUST WENT STRAIGHT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT THE PARAMETER WAS STRAIGHT TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND NOT, UH, UH, DIFFERENT, YOU'VE GOT THE CATEGORY.
WELL, MY POINT IS FROM A TRIP GENERATION STANDPOINT, IT'S, IT'S JUST GENERAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THERE IS NO QUALIFIER TO HOW MANY STORIES OR FOURS, IT IS JUST GIVE IT, GIVEN THAT FOOTPRINT AND THAT SQUARE FOOT.
HOW MANY STORIES WOULD YOU HAVE THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE BETTER ANSWERED BY ME? YOUR TRAFFIC IS ASSUMING A CERTAIN HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
IF YOU TAKE THAT FOOTPRINT AND THAT SQUARE FOOT, IT DEFINES THE SIZE AND SCOPE.
I COULD TELL YOU THAT THAT WOULD BE A FAIR IMPLICIT FAIR, UH, BECAUSE IT'S, UH, IT'S ABOUT GEOMETRY.
AND SO IF I TOLD YOU THAT 109 IS THREE STORIES, BUT THEY COULD GO TO SIX STORIES.
YOUR TRAFFIC IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE DIFFERENT ONE DAY.
IF IT, IF IT EXCEEDS A HUNDRED, 9,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IMPLIES, WHAT THE ASSUMPTION WAS IN TERMS OF THE SIZE.
IS THAT A FAIR QUESTION? THAT, THAT IS A VERY FAIR QUESTION.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT.
I KNOW THAT OUR CIVIL ENGINEER LAID OUT THE SIDE AND, AND BASED ON PARKING REQUIREMENTS, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET CAN PARK ON THE SITE.
AND THAT IS HOW WE DETERMINED THE MOST CASE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR MR. STRO HACKER TO STUDY.
AND WE THERE, AND THEN WE EXTEND THAT LOGIC.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, DON'T ANSWER, I'D RATHER TRY AND MAKE SOMETHING UP.
UM, MR. LUMPKINS I KNOW YOU HAD A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT EAGLE CONSTRUCTION BEING PRIMARILY A HOME BUILDER.
AND I THINK THAT'S A FAIR IMPRESSION.
UM, COULD I, RICKY COURT JUST COME UP AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, YOUR QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF MARKEL EAGLE.
I DO WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR COMMERCIAL CAPABILITIES, BUT MR. PETERSON, I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION THAT YOU ASK.
I WOULD ASSUME LOOKING AT THAT, THAT IS PLANNED A SINGLE STORY, INDUSTRIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WITHOUT A DOUBT.
UM, AS WE TALK ABOUT HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AND WHAT WE THINK THIS IS, WE BELIEVE THIS IS OFFICE SERVICE VERY MUCH LIKE YOU SEE IN THE ROCKVILLE OFFICE PARK, THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANT TO REMAIN FLEXIBLE FOR THE VARIED USES.
RIGHT? SO NOT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE
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SAID THIS ASSUMES A ONE STORY.I WOULD MUCH LIKE YOU LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK AT THOSE FOOTPRINTS AND SAY, HOW DO I GET TO 109,000 SQUARE FEET? I WOULD ASSUME THAT THOSE ARE MOSTLY ONE STORY BUILDING.
SOPHIE ASKS, IF THE, IF THE ASK WAS, CAN I BUILD ONE STORY AND TWO VERSUS CAN I HAVE PERMISSION TO BUILD UP TO SIX STORIES OF EMPTY? THAT'S A DIFFERENT ASK, RIGHT? I, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I W WHERE I WANT TO GO IS WHAT MS. CROFT JUST SAID IS IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE, IF WE WERE TO GO VERTICAL, THE SITE CONSTRAINTS BASED ON GOING VERTICAL AND THE PARKING NEEDS, THAT'S WHERE WE GET TO REALLY 109.
AND THEN THINKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL USES WITHIN THE M ONE AND THE
OUR ASSUMPTION IS THEY WOULD BE MORE SINGLE STORY BUILDINGS, BUT BECAUSE OF FLEXIBILITY, AGAIN, EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO MATCH PARKING RATIOS WITH SQUARE FOOTAGES TO MEET THE, TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO MO MARK ILLEGAL PARTNERS IS THE APPLICANT HERE.
EAGLE CONSTRUCTION OBVIOUSLY WILL BE OUR BUILDER.
EAGLE'S BEEN OUR BUILDER AND ALL THE FIRST FOUR SECTIONS OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
UM, OVER THE PAST DOZEN YEARS, MARK ILLEGALS DONE ALMOST A MILLION SQUARE FEET IN VARIOUS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, WHETHER IT'S BEEN REDEVELOPMENT, GROUND UP DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, THIS RANGE IS FROM WEST BROAD VILLAGE AND, UH, HENRICO COUNTY GREENGATE AND HENRICO COUNTY.
UH, WE'VE DONE SOME OFFICE FLEX WE'VE DONE OFFICE REDEVELOPMENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON WHEN WE GET INTO DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS WITHOUT HAVING SPECIFIC SPECIFIC USERS IS FLEXIBILITY.
IT CREATES THE MOST SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE FAILED OR HAD STRUGGLED OVER TIME, IT'S STILL ELEMENTS THAT HAVE GOTTEN INTO TWO SET OF A PLAN WESTBROOK VILLAGE, WHICH WE USED TO OFFICE IN IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
THE DEVELOPER BUILT SOMETHING WHERE THERE WAS AN ACTUAL DEMAND FOR WHAT HE BUILT.
ALSO GOT HIT BY THE GREAT RECESSION THAT DIDN'T HELP, BUT IT WAS A PLAN BASED ON WHAT WE THOUGHT, WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO AND WHAT WE HOPE THAT WE DID.
WHAT WE THINK WORKING WITH STAFF IS ELIMINATE.
WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE SOME OF THE MORE DIFFICULT USES THAT AS MS CROFT LAID OUT WOULD NOT WORK WELL AGAINST OUR RESIDENTS.
THE RESIDENTS THAT WE'VE SOLD HOMES 218 IN THE FIRST THREE SECTIONS 62 IN THE NEXT, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CLIENTS OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, THOSE CLIENTS TALK TO THEIR FRIENDS WHO WE HOPE WILL BUY OUR HOMES.
EVENTUALLY WE, UH, WE WE'VE BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL, BUT WE WANT TO REMAIN THAT REMAIN FLEXIBLE TO PROVIDE.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IS THIS AN OFFICE SERVICE? IS THIS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, SOMEWHAT SMALL DISTRIBUTION, LAST MILE, SOME KIND OF SERVICE, UM, THAT FITS IN HERE.
THOSE ARE ILLUSTRATIVE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT COULD BE THERE.
IT COULD BE AN ENGINEER'S OFFICE.
IT COULD BE A SUPPLIER'S OFFICE, A SUPPLIERS WAREHOUSE.
UM, IT COULD BE A RESTAURANT UP FRONT AND BE ONE WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW YET, BUT MS. CROFT IS TRUE THE MORNING AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MY PHONE STARTED RINGING.
SO THERE IS A, THERE IS A DESIRE FOR BUSINESSES AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS POINTED OUT TO BE IN THIS CORRIDOR.
THESE BUSINESSES THAT ARE MAKING THESE DECISIONS, DON'T MAKE DECISIONS WITH ENOUGH THOUGHT TO THINK LET'S WORK THROUGH ZONING AND THEN WORK THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE THE OPPORTUNITIES AND, AND PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO, SO YOU WERE ALSO INVOLVED IN GREEN GATE, IS THAT WHEN YOU START TO SMELL THE WESTBROOK VILLAGE? SO, YEAH, SO WE WE'VE DEVELOPED GREENGATE GREENGATE WAS OUR TEAM.
WE PLANNED ALL OF THE RETAIL, ALL OF THE OFFICE, EVERYTHING FROM BROAD STREET, BACK TO NICHOLAS FARM ELEMENTARY, OUR TEAM DID, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT GREEN GATE COMMERCIAL PLAN CHANGED AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX TIMES.
I'VE GOT THE ENGINEER AND THE LAND PLANNER BILLS TO PROVE IT.
UM, THE, THAT IS BEING FLUID MOVING FROM 2012 TO 2015, 16, WHEN WE FIRST OPENED.
WE NEED TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I SAID, I SAID IT EARLIER, WE DON'T WANT TO PROFFER YOUR WAY INTO A CORNER.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL LOSE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE TOUGH QUESTION HERE.
SO WHERE ARE WE? ARE WE ON THREE FEET OR ONE STORY? WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, JUST TO FOLLOW THAT FLEXIBILITY, I MEAN, THIS BASICALLY IS A BUSINESS FRIENDLY BOARD.
AND WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO USE A LIGHT TOUCH.
IF YOU CAME TO US FOR SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC, WE WOULD TAILOR DOWN THOSE RESTRICTIONS TO BE AS LIGHT TOUCH AS POSSIBLE, GIVEN WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, IF YOU DIDN'T BACK AWAY AND SAY, BUT I WANT MAXIMUM RESTRICTIONS THAT WE FIND OURSELVES HAVING TO GET MAXIMUM PROTECTORS, WHICH IS NOT IN OUR COMFORT ZONE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'D LIKE TO GO.
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SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE PUSH PULL THERE, WHICH IS YOU WANT ALL KINDS OF FLEXIBILITY THAT WE NEED ALL KINDS OF.WE'D RATHER JUST GET THE PROTECTIONS YOU NEED FOR WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S GOING THERE.
THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF BACK AND FORTH THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT NOW IN THE UNCERTAINTY THAT CREATES, PUTS US IN AN UNENVIABLE POSITION OF HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, THINK OF WORST CASE SCENARIOS AND THAT KIND OF, WE JUST DON'T LIKE TO GO THERE.
WE LIKE TO GO WITH HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE HELP HIM BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND DO THE RIGHT THING HERE, BUT, BUT STILL PROTECT THE CITIZENS.
SO, UM, THAT'S JUST A GENERAL FLAVOR.
MR. CHAIR CAN, CAN, CAN, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S YOU OR THE TRAFFIC PERSON, BUT YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE HEARD, UH, BEN JOHNSON SPOKE TO US EARLIER.
KEN, CAN YOU SPEAK TO, I'M TRYING TO ENVISION WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
HE WAS SAYING, MOVE THE TRAFFIC THE CORRECT WAY WHERE JOHNSON ROAD TURNS INTO COREY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME OF HIS, IF YOU RECALL SOME OF HIS CONCERNS, IT'S DEFINITELY FOR TRAFFIC.
WELL, I CAN SPEAK TO HOW WE HANDLED IT IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH IS WE BROUGHT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO ASHLAND ROAD, NOT BACK TOWARDS POUNCER TRACTOR, THROUGH THE PRIVATE SECTION OF THE ROAD.
AND I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT'S WHAT IT NEEDS TO END UP BEING.
I THINK HE SAID, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED WAS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
THAT'S RIGHT NOW, HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY IS, IS HOW THE DEVELOPERS DECIDE TO GO FORWARD.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN SPECIFICALLY DO TO FORCE THAT, OR IF THE QUARRY ITSELF IS OPERATION, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ALREADY A GATE.
I THINK YOU SAID THERE WAS CLOSED OFF SOMETHING.
I THOUGHT MR. JOHNSON SAID, I THOUGHT HE'D MENTIONED, MADE MENTION TO THAT, BUT IT'S NOT, WE'VE GONE DOWN.
I HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE BEEN DOWN THROUGH THERE, YOU SEE A GATE, BUT YOU JUST DRIVE RIGHT ON.
I JUST DROVE THROUGH BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE FOR MYSELF, WHAT WAS THERE ONE HOUR POST AND YOU'RE GETTING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PLACES WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE, TOTAL ADVANTAGE OF IT.
GENTLEMEN JUST SAID SO, SO PEOPLE CAN HEAR IT.
PEOPLE DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS.
IF THE CHILD'S BEEN CLOSED, ALL THESE PAGES ON IT.
SO THE GATE, THE GATE IS SOMETIMES CLOSED.
UM, SOMETIMES IT'S OPEN, SOMETIMES IT'S CLOSED AND THAT'S UP TO THE OWN PROPERTY OWNERS, RIGHT.
NO, I MEAN, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU HAVE SOME MORE, YEAH, I AM.
I'M UM, I'M SORT OF GETTING THERE, BUT I AM TOTALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH BUILDING THE RESIDENTIAL FIRST.
UM, IT'S IN THE COUNTY'S BEST INTEREST, I BELIEVE TO BUILD COMMERCIAL AND NOT THE RESIDENTIAL, ALTHOUGH I SEE WHY YOU WANT TO BUILD THE RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST A COMMITMENT OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL FIRST, UM, THE TRAFFIC, UM, I'M NOT CONVINCED WHERE IT'S D E AND F RIGHT NOW, SERVICE LEVELS.
UM, THESE SPECIFIC INTERCHANGES, I'M NOT SURE THEY WOULD BE IMPROVED WITH THE TURN SIGNALS.
SO CAN YOU TELL ME ASHLYN AT COMMERCIAL ASHLYN JOHNSON AND ASHLYN POUNCEY DRAG, WHAT ARE THE CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS? THAT WAS A SERVICE AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMPROVED WITH THE TURN LANES? SO UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, I'D MENTIONED EARLIER ASHLAND ROAD APPROACHES AT THE SIGNAL, OR, UH, AND, AND LET'S MAKE SURE WE, UH, DEFINE UNACCEPTABLE.
MY DEFINITION OF UNACCEPTABLE WAS E F I DIDN'T PUT D IN NEVADA CATEGORY.
UM, SO ASHLEY ROAD AT COMMERCE, HOW WAS THAT? SO ASHLYN AT COMMERCE, THE, THE FAILURE BEGINS IN THE BACKGROUND CONDITION WORSENS UNDER THE BUILDOUT CONDITION WE HAVE MADE.
WHAT IS IT CURRENTLY? I'M SORRY.
SO THE HANG ON ONE SECOND, WE FOUND IT, THE EASTBOUND LEFT, WHICH IS THE CRITICAL MOVEMENT IS LEVEL SERVICE D IN THE AM AND LEVEL SERVICE C IN THE PM.
HOW ABOUT ASHLYN? RHODA JOHNSON ASHLYN WROTE AT JOHNSON.
THE CRITICAL MOMENT IS THE WESTBOUND APPROACH, THE LEFT, RIGHT? THAT'S A C IN THE AM AND A C IN THE PM, AND THAT'S NOT BAD.
AND THEN ASHLAND VOTED POUNCEY TRACK ASHLYN ROAD
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AT POUNCEY TRACT, THE CRITICAL MOMENTS THERE, OR THE, UH, NORTHBOUND WHAT I CALL NORTHBOUND SOUTHBOUND, WHICH ARE THE ASHLAND ROAD, UM, UH, APPROACHES, UH, LEVEL SERVICE D IN THE AM FOR THE NORTHBOUND LEVEL SERVICE E AND THE PM FOR THE NORTHBOUND, AND THEN THE SOUTHBOUND LEVEL SERVICE D AND THE A M WELL SERVICE E IN THE PM.SO IT IS A PM CONDITION THAT IS DRAWING THE UNACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
IS THAT, IS THAT NOW, OR AFTER THAT IS EXISTING CONDITIONS I DIDN'T AFTER THE BUILD-OUT GOES TO.
SO THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE BACKGROUND YEAR WITHOUT THE SITE, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE PROJECTED TO 20, 24 BUILD-OUT YEAR APPROVED DEVELOPMENT GROWTH, THAT, THAT NATURE.
SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE SAME MOVEMENTS, UH, EASTBOUND LEFT AT COMMERCE LEVEL SERVICE E AND A M WE'LL SERVICE D IN THE PM.
UH, WE GO TO JOHNSON ROAD, UH, THAT STAYS LEVEL SERVICE C IN THE WESTBOUND FOR BOTH THE AM AND PM.
AND THEN, UH, ASHLYN ROAD, POUNCEY TRACKS, AND THEN NORTH CNC, THEY STAYED CNC AT JOHNSON ROAD.
YES, MA'AM, UH, NORTHBOUND, UH, LEFT THROUGH RIGHT, UH, LEVELS, UH, FOR POUNCEY TRACT, ASHLAND ROAD, UH, LEVEL SERVICE, DNA, AND LEVEL SERVICE E UH, SOUTHBOUND LEVEL SERVICE, D LITTLE SERVICE E SO THAT MAINTAINED THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU WERE GETTING AN EXISTING CONDITIONS.
IT'S AN F NOT YET BUILT OUT YET.
NOW THAT THE, WHAT I JUST MENTIONED WAS BACKGROUND WITHOUT THE SITE.
AND SO THE NEXT LEVEL OF SERVICE, SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY SEVERAL THINGS.
WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITION.
WHAT ARE THE OPERATIONS UNDER EXISTING CONDITION? WE ASSUME PARAMETERS THAT ARE OPERATIONAL, NOT PLANNING.
AND THEN WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU GOT? THEN WE WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE SITE IMPACT? SO, IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THAT, YOU GOT TO, FIRST OF ALL, KNOW WHAT WOULD BE GOING ON IN THE STUDY AREA AT BUILD OUT WITHOUT THE SITE, WHICH IS WHAT I JUST MENTIONED.
AND THEN YOU DO AN ANALYSIS SCENARIO WHERE ALL YOU DO IS ADD SITE TRAFFIC, AND WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE? SO THERE, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE, LET ME GET TO THE TABLE.
SO THIS IS BUILT OUT CONDITION, AND WE ARE AT A COMMERCE.
SO BUILD OUT IS EVERYTHING BUILT OUT, IS EVERYTHING V1 AND THAT'S RIGHT.
SO, UH, THE EASTBOUND LEFT, UH, LEVEL SERVICE F IN THE AEM FOR COMMERCE LEVEL SERVICE D IN THE PM, THEN WE GO TO JOHNSON ROAD.
SO NOW WE'VE GOT AN OPERATIONAL JOHNSON ROAD WHERE YOU HAVE LEFTS AND RIGHTS.
SO THERE'S TWO ACTUAL TWO LEVELS OF SERVICE NOW, OR BEFORE.
AND THAT WAS WHERE WE WERE GETTING THE CS.
IF YOU, IF YOU MAY RECALL, THE WESTBOUND LEFT WILL BE D AND THE AEM WESTBOUND LEFT WILL BE D AND THE PM AT JOHNSON ROAD, RIGHT? TURN WILL BE LEVEL SERVICE B IN THE AM AND LEVEL SERVICE B IN THE PM.
AND THEN THE ASHLAND ROAD, POUNCEY TRACT INTERSECTION, NORTHBOUND LEVEL SERVICE D AND THE M WE'LL HAVE A SERVICE E IN THE PM SOUTHBOUND LEVEL SERVICE D IN THE AM, ALL OF THE SERVICE E IN THE PM.
SO THAT'S A RUN THROUGH FOR THE CRITICAL MOVEMENTS WITHIN THE STUDY AREA.
SO THAT'S INTERESTING THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE IMPACT OF THE SITE IS GRADUAL IN SOME OF THESE MOVEMENTS, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A STRAW BREAKS, THE CAMEL'S BACK KIND OF THING, GOING ON HERE TO SOME EXTENT, THE BIGGEST IMPACT.
AND I THINK WE HIT ON THAT EARLIER, THE SENSITIVITY OF THE TRAFFIC BEING ON ASHLAND ROAD, BEING ADDED COMMERCE IS BEING IMPACTED.
THAT'S WHERE YOU SAW THE EDA, THE F RIGHT.
AND SO THAT'S DEFINITELY BEING IMPACTED SPECIAL WITH THE, WITH THE VEHICLE TYPE THAT IS USING THAT APPROACH.
UH, I WANT TO SAY IT'S ABOUT 15%, 20% A HEAVY VEHICLE OUT THERE.
I MEAN, WE SEE TWO OR THREE, THAT'S USUALLY THE AVERAGE, UH, SO THAT, THAT SECTION OF ASHLYN ROAD, AND THEN COMMERCE BECAUSE OF THE, THE USERS ON THAT APPROACH, UH, HAVE HEAVY TRUCK, HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC.
SO I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION AND WE'VE VARIOUSLY, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, $10,000 TOWARDS FUTURE WIDENING OF JOHNSON ROAD OR OTHER TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WHAT IS CONTEMPLATING IN WIDENING JOHNSON ROAD? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I THINK, UH, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE CURRENT CROSS SECTION OF JOHNSON ROAD, ISN'T
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THE STANDARD, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY A 10 FOOT LANES, THAT KIND OF THING.UH, MAYBE SMALL LATERAL CLEARANCE, UH, NO PAVEMENT MARKINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THESE THINGS WERE KIND OF LIKE NOT ACCEPTABLE, UH, OR NOT STANDARD, UM, WITH THE SITE AND THE SITE IMPROVEMENT ON THAT APPROACH FOR AT LEAST YOU GOT A 200 FOOT, YOU'VE GOT TO CALL IT OUT 200 FOOT WESTBOUND, RIGHT.
SO FOR 200 FEET, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT SECTION OF JOHNSON ROAD IMPROVED TO A STANDARD, LIKE AN ACCEPTABLE STANDARD.
THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAPER THAT RIGHT TURN IN THAT WE'LL CONTINUE THAT IMPROVEMENT PROBABLY ANOTHER A HUNDRED FEET.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 300 FEET OF JOHNSON ROAD IMPROVED FROM ASHLAND ROAD IN HEADING BACK TOWARDS THE SITE, TOWARDS THE PRIVATE ROAD, UH, BEYOND THAT, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE SPACING IS GOING TO BE FOR EVERY SITE DRIVE, BUT CLEARLY THAT SECTION OF JOHNSON ROAD IS GOING TO BE THE MOST HEAVILY TRAVELED THAT WILL BE IMPROVED THE $10,000.
I THINK THAT'S BEING OFFERED IS TO THINGS FOR THINGS THAT GO BEYOND THAT 300 FOOT SECTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER THAT MIGHT BE USED, UH, I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE, UH, ANY NUMBER OF WAYS.
DO YOU WANT ME $10,000? SHE'S NOT GOING TO BUY YOU MUCH.
CAN'T PAVE A DRIVEWAY FOR $10,000.
IT'S LESS THAN THAT 300 FEET TO THE ENTRANCE, TO THE HOUSE.
HOW FAR ON THIS MAP DOES THERE'S 300 FEET.
I HONESTLY CAN'T, CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE THAT GOES AT.
SO I THINK IT'S RELATIVE, YOU PROBABLY LOOK IN RELATIVE TO THE FIRST ENTRANCE, UH, AS YOU'RE GOING DOWN JOHNSON ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT THAT FIRST ENTRANCES, THERE'S NOTHING THERE NOW.
THAT'S THAT'S, UH, THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE.
THAT'S BE ONE THAT'S STILL FOR SALE.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT THAT'S PROPOSED.
THERE'S ANOTHER,
WELL, I WANT TO BE SURE I'M ANSWERING THE TRAFFIC QUESTIONS AND THE CONCERNS I WANT TO DO.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS.
I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, THAT IS VERY SPECIFIC TO ONE INTERSECTION JOHNSON AND, UH, ASHTON ROAD, UH, THE, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL HAVE NO BEARING ON COMMERCE OR POUNCEY TRACT, UH, AND ASHLAND.
I MEAN, I JUST, MY CONCERN IS THAT AREA, AS IT DEVELOPS, ESPECIALLY THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, HE'S GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC ON IT.
WELL, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, I THINK THE DEDICATION OF RIGHT AWAY KIND OF HELPS SPEAK TO THAT LONGTERM VIEW THAT YOU'RE TAKING.
WE HAVE ADDRESSED THE LEVELS OF SERVICE RESULTS THAT WE'RE REPORTING IN HERE IS VERY SPECIFIC TO THE BUILD OUT OF THE SITE, WITH WHAT WE KNOW THAT THE SITE'S DOING AND WHAT WE ANTICIPATE WILL GO ON WITHOUT THE SITE, THE 2% ANNUAL GROWTH OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THE GLOBAL GROWTH RATE OF THAT KIND OF STUFF BEYOND THAT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT COULD REACH LEVELS OF NEEDING, UH, ASHLAND ROAD NEED TO BE WIDE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY COMES INTO PLAY.
YOU WILL HAVE RIGHT AWAY ALONG THE FRONT HALLWAY.
WELL, THE OVERALL WIDENING THAT'S, THAT'S A BIGGER QUESTION, BUT, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU GET TO THE IMPACT OF THE SITE, THAT ISN'T US FORCING A WIDENING OF ASHLAND ROAD, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ADDRESSING OUR VERY DIRECT IMPACT AT JOHNSON ROAD.
UH, YOU COULD SAY, WELL, YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING COMMERCE, BUT HERE'S THE THING ABOUT COMMERCE.
YOU'VE ALREADY GOT AN EASTBOUND LEFT AND EASTBOUND, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A SIGNAL.
NO, THIS DOES NOT WANT TO HAPPEN.
SO YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE IT'S LIKE, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? EVEN IF WE HAD THE MONEY TO THROW AT THE PROBLEM, AND THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO A POUNCEY TRACT, ASHRAE WELL, ULTIMATELY THAT'S A HANOVER COUNTY INTERSECTION.
UH, IT'S THERE'S ISSUES THERE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS OF RESULTS, OUR IMPACT TO THAT INTERSECTION, IT'S VERY MARGINAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS DRAWN TO SCALE OR NOT, BUT IF THIS IS A HUNDRED FOOT ON EACH SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THEN THE 300 GETS YOU ABOUT BACK TO THE STREET.
MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN HERE, LET'S DRIVE THIS DOWN.
THIS ROAD WOULD BE APPROVED FOR THIS, CORRECT.
WHEN YOU DO THIS, IF THIS NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED, WHO DOES THAT? WELL FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT, UH, WE DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IMPROVEMENT
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FROM A ROAD DESIGN STANDPOINT.I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE ROAD TO KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD, WHAT, WHAT THE DEFICIENCY WOULD BE LIKE, THE PAYMENT DEPTH AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THE REASON I ASK IS THERE'S 10,000 IN HERE FOR IMPROVEMENT ON JOHNSON ROAD.
SO MY QUESTION IS WHO IMPROVES JOHNSON ROAD IF THE
AND THIS 10,000 IS JUST, I THINK THE BUCKET THE 10,000 WAS OFFERED IN RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF JOHNSON WROTE UNDER HIS EXISTING CONDITION WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IMPROVED BY THE ETERNALLY AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY, UH, SAID WE'RE DOING, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT 10,000 COULD BE CONTRIBUTED TO ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES FOR REALLY BASICALLY MAINTAINING IT.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE THAT'S GOING TO COME INTO.
KEEP IN MIND, JOHNSON WROTE TODAY, THE DESIGN VEHICLES USING THAT ROAD ARE SIGNIFICANT.
THESE AREN'T SMALL TRUCKS COMING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD.
AND SO THE ROAD TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S ABLE TO HANDLE THAT TRAFFIC, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE ANYTHING WE THROW AT IT.
I MEAN, A COUNTY DOESN'T MAINTAIN THAT JOHNSON ROAD.
SO IF THERE'S ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WIDENING OR OTHERWISE, WHO DOES THAT, I'M TELLING YOU, THERE ARE NO NEED FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
IF YOU'RE ASKING ME 10,000, I'M TELLING YOU THAT I'M TELLING YOU THAT YOU NEED TO BUILD THE TURN LANES AT JOHNSON AND ASHLYNN, AND THEN THAT'S IT.
UH, THE 10,000 THAT'S BEING OFFERED.
I YOU'D HAVE TO TALK TO MY CLIENT ABOUT THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S JUST A GOOD FAITH.
HEY, WE WANT TO HELP DO WHATEVER TO ALLEVIATE CONCERN, RIGHT? BECAUSE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED.
AND I WOULD TELL YOU THOUGH, THAT THE DESIGN VEHICLES THAT'S CURRENTLY USING JOHNSON ROAD ARE MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN ANYTHING WE'RE GOING TO BE THROWN AT IT.
AND THAT IS REALLY WHAT DRIVES THE, THE DESIGN OF THE ROAD ITSELF, THE PAYMENT DEPTH, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
IF IT'S HANDLING WHAT'S GOING ON HERE TODAY, IT WILL HANDLE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO THROW AT IT.
WELL, UH, UH, UH, UH, IF, IF, IF YOUR CONFUSION IS, DOES IT NEED TO BE WIDER? DOES IT NEED TO BE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS YOU'RE TELLING ME IT DOESN'T.
AND THEN THE PROFFER IT SAYS IS THERE'S MONEY TO DO IT.
I THINK YOUR CLIENT CAN MAYBE ANSWER THE, THAT, BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF US UP HERE WHEN WE SAW THAT, WE'RE LIKE, WHAT'S THAT FOR? AND YOU HAVEN'T CLEARED THAT UP.
UM, MR. HACKER DID TOUCH ON IT.
UM, IT WASN'T A DIRECT RESPONSE TO STAFF'S, UM, COMMENT IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT WIDENING OR BRING JOHNSON ROAD UP TO A HIGHER STANDARD OF CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE LOOKED AT THE ACREAGE OF LAND THAT ACCESS IS, OR HAS ACCESS TO JOHNSON ROAD AND WHAT OUR RATIO OF ACREAGE THAT WOULD BE AND TOOK A VERY ROUGH ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO WIDEN IT TO A 24 FOOT WIDE SECTION, UM, INTO CURB TO CURB ABOUT IT OCCURRED, BUT A 24 FOOT WIDE PAVEMENT SECTION, AND OUR PERCENTAGE BASED ON THE ACREAGE WAS WHAT WE CALCULATED THAT TO BE MOST CAME OUT TO 10,000.
COULD YOU PROFFER? WELL, IT'S A, IT'S A V DOT ROAD, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY PROFFER A WIDE NET.
UM, AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE VERY QUESTION WE HAD VERY BEGINNING WHERE'S THAT MONEY EVEN GOING, WHO WHO'S GOT WHO'S WHO'S GOING TO HOLD THAT IT WOULD BE PROFFERED TO BE GIVEN TO THE COUNTY FOR TRANSPORTATION.
YOU'RE SPEAKING OF ALL THIS ASHLAND ROAD DEDICATION, AND WE BROUGHT THAT UP AGAIN, AND THAT, THAT IS GOOD ON THIS, ON THIS MAP.
CAN YOU CAUSE YOUR, YOUR PROFIT, YOUR PROFIT IS A 42 FOOT RIGHT.
OF WAY MEASURED FROM THE CENTER LINE ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
THE ENTIRE FRONT OF YOU, THE PROPERTY, THE IS THE ENTIRE, UH, FROM JOHNSON ROAD UP TO THE PROPERTY WHERE THIS NEW PROPERTY IS, THAT'S DIFFERENT PROPERTY.
SO THIS ENTIRE, UM, LENGTH OF PROPERTY LINE, WE ARE DEDICATING, I THINK 42 FEET, MAYBE FROM CENTER LINE THAT IN THE, IN THE COUNTY'S ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN, ASHLAND ROAD IS PROJECTED TO BE A FOREFOOT FOUR LANE DIVIDED ROAD.
AND THAT'S HOW, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE GIVEN THE DIRECTION FROM STAFF ON THAT 42 FEET.
YOU'VE DONE ALL YOUR KID ON THAT.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T DEDICATE ALL THE PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES, I HAVE A QUESTION, I THINK FOR STAFF, UM, THE FISCAL IMPACT
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IT'S I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE DOUBLY SURE.IT SAYS ALL OTHER RESIDENCES IN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL GENERATE CONNECTION FEES AND BE SUBJECT TO THE T T T C S D LOREM TAX.
THE RESIDENCES WILL NOT GENERATE THE ADDITIONAL TCSD REVENUE DERIVED FROM 55% OF THE INCREASE IN GENERAL REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUES, WHICH IS COLLECTED FROM NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU ASKING, CAN YOU, CAN YOU CLARIFY, MAKE IT, UH, SO YEAH.
UH, SO THE, I GUESS THE SHORT VERSION OF THE ANSWER IS THAT, UM, WE WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY OFF OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS ESSENTIALLY THAT THE SHORT VERSION OF THE ANSWER.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE.
SO THIS, SO WE'RE PROTECTS FROM REVENUE AND REVENUE PERSPECTIVE DOING THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHY WE WANT TO BUILD OUT COMMERCIAL AND KEEPING GOOSE ON RURAL AND HEIDI, YOU DO THAT.
THIS WILL BE A TRADE OFF THAT WE HAVE TO GET MR. SHIT TO FURTHER CLARIFY THAT.
I GUESS IT HELPED ME OUT IF I WANDER OFF THE PORCH HERE, BUT THAT, THAT 55 45 IS REALLY JUST A OR REDIRECT EITHER TOWARD THAT SERVICE OR TOWARD THE COUNTY.
IT'S NOT AN INCREASE OR DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT COLLECTED BETWEEN COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THE SAME THING IT'S CORRECT.
WELL, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT SHE SAID.
YEAH, THAT'S THAT ONE, IT'S A REDIRECT, THE 32 CENTS, THE 32 CENTS IS 32 CENTS.
AND THERE'S A 55 45 SPLIT ON CERTAIN TYPES OF PROPERTY BETWEEN WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DEBT SERVICE OR GOING TO THE COUNTY.
SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE THIRD TWO DOESN'T CHANGE, BUT HOW MANY 30 TWOS YOU COLLECT JAMIE SAYING IT DOES, YOU CLICKED MORE 30 TWOS WITH A, WITH A, YOU THERE'S MORE REVENUE GENERATED BY A, UM, COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL.
NOW A HUNDRED THOUSAND COMMERCIAL HUNDRED THOUSAND RESIDENTIAL IS STILL 32 CENTS, BUT NOT IF HERE, BUT NOT IF YOU'RE DOING ENOUGH.
THEN THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A CONVERSATION FOR UP HERE, BUT I APPARENTLY I D I HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CLARIFY 32 IS THE 32.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT'S DIRECTED TOWARD DEBT SERVICE OR TOWARD THE COUNTY SIDE, GENERAL ACCOUNT.
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT I THINK TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO YOUR POINT, THE COMMERCIAL DOES DIRECT MORE TOWARD, UM, THE REPAYMENT OF THE DEBT.
IF THAT'S A CONCERN, UM, THE TCFD DEBT, IT DOES DIRECT.
SO THERE IS A DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE ABSOLUTE AMOUNT, THE 32 CENTS.
I'LL STAND CORRECTED IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.
SO, ALL RIGHT, THIS, THIS IS ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS I KNOW IT'S KIND OF WANDERING, COVERING LOTS OF THINGS.
I THINK FOR ME, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET TO, YES.
I LIKED THE, I LIKED GETTING A BUFFER IN PLACE.
UM, MS. CROFT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE, BUT I SAW WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THIS BOARD, WELL, ACTUALLY IN MY DAY JOB AS A LAWYER, I SAW A DEED FROM THE PROPERTY ACROSS FROM WHAT'S YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEADOWS.
WELL, NO, THAT'S THE OLD NEIGHBORHOOD PARK ACROSS FROM BLACKSTONE IS THAT THEY PUT IN A DEED.
I SAW ON A DEED RESTRICTION AND WE'VE SEEN IT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT HERE, UM, WHERE YOU'RE IN A DEED, YOU'RE NOTIFYING PEOPLE, HEY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WHEN WE DELIVER THIS DEED, YOU'RE BUYING A HOUSE THAT'S ACROSS FROM A QUARRY AND BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.
I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE.
UM, WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS ONE OF THE DIFFICULT THINGS FOR US IS WHEN FOLKS COME IN AND THEY SAY, WE HAD NO IDEA, WE FIND OUT, AND I THINK OUR IMPROVEMENTS ON OUR GIS SYSTEMS, WE GET MORE DATA.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT BETTER, BUT YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS, PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT THINGS, PURCHASE THINGS.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR MARKETING MATERIALS IN THESE OTHER THINGS.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD BUSINESS THING AND CERTAINLY GOOD FOR THE COUNTY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
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WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH, WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IS FOLKS COMING ALONG.IT'S LIKE, I HAD NO IDEA AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM.
WE SEE YOU DIDN'T AND WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO HELP YOU.
SO I THINK YOUR PROPOSAL WAS GOING TO ADDRESS IT.
AT LEAST YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE TELLING FOLKS NEAR A CORY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PLAN TO TELL THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, I MEAN, AGAIN, I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL HOUSES, NOT TRYING TO CAUSE OBSTACLES TO PEOPLE WANTING TO BUY, BUT I THINK FULL DISCLOSURE, FULL DISCLOSURE IS, IS GOING TO HELP US BECAUSE WE HAVE A TRANSIT.
WE HAVE A TRANSITION HERE WHERE WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A TRANSITION HERE BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE THIS TRANSITION.
AND SO IF THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO APPROVE SOMETHING, THAT'LL HELP US WITH THIS NEEDED TRANSITION.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO GET ABSOLUTELY.
UM, SO THE PROFFER RIGHT NOW IS WORDED WITHIN MARKETING PACKAGES, CONTRACTS, AND OR DEEDS, UH, THE APPLICANT AND OR DEEDS, JUST SAY ANTIDOTE, I CAN DEFINITELY SAY, AND IF YOU WANT IT IN ALL OF IT, I DON'T, I DON'T, YOUR MARKETING IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO SIT AT THE CLUB.
WE GOT OUR MOVING TRUCK AND THE LOAN IS IN PLACE.
SO I'D LOVE TO SEE IT IN ALL PLACES.
AND IF YOU COULD DISCLOSE IT IN THE DEEDS, THAT'S GREAT.
WELL, I THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE AURA.
CLARIFICATION OF MARKETING MATERIALS.
I MEAN, HOW DO WE DO THAT? I MEAN, I THINK IN CONTRACTS AND DEEDS, THAT'S EASY.
THERE'S A LOT OF RANDOM, SMALL NEWSPAPER ADS REFERENCES ON WEBSITES.
AND YOU COME INTO THE, YOU COME IN AND TALK TO THE AGENT.
IF I COME IN AND LOOK AT THE MODEL HOME OR WHATEVER IT IS, IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE OTHER, YOU HAVE OTHER AGENTS BRINGING PEOPLE TO YOU.
UM, AND I MEAN, WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THE AGENTS ARE GOING TO SAY.
YOU CAN CONTROL THE AGENTS THAT ARE IN YOUR MODEL HOMES.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY.
JUST, I MEAN, W AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRUST YOU GUYS TO, TO, AND I THINK I HOPE OUR INTERESTS ALIGN IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT NOBODY'S COMING BACK.
LIKE I HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN OVER HERE IF THAT WAS OVER THERE.
SO, BUT YOU'RE, BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU TAKING OUT THE, OR YES, SIR.
UM, AND, AND SO YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE ALSO ARE LOOKING AT AMENDING THE, IN THE, IN THE, UH, M M ONE, THE HEIGHT.
TWO AT MAX HEIGHT OF 45 FEET AS DEFINED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, LOOKING AT THE, THERE IT IS, YOU GOT PROHIBITED USES BUFFERS, OUTDOOR STORAGE, TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THE HIGHTEST JUST THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
NO BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY SHALL EXCEED 45 FEET IN HEIGHT, WT COUNTY ATTORNEY.
YOU CAN HELP YOU HELP US CAPTURE THESE.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THAT AS LIKE NUMBER, SORRY? YES, SIR.
WE'VE BEEN GOING AT THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW, AND I'M TRYING TO DISTILL THIS DOWN TO ITS ESSENCE.
AND, UM, AGAIN, TRY AND LAND THIS PLANE HERE.
UM, I STARTED OUT AT LEAST A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO NOW, UH, ST.
THIS WAS A LITTLE PREMATURE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF FUZZINESS AND THAT'S GOING TO PROBABLY GIVE BIRTH TO A, A PROTRACTED DISCUSSION.
AND IT HAS, UM, FOR ME, AGAIN, LIGHT TOUCH OF GOVERNMENT TRYING TO GET TO YES.
BUT I'M STRUGGLING WITH HOW SOON I CAN GET THERE.
AND PROBABLY THE BOOKENDS ARE, IS IT TONIGHT, OR IS IT WHEN YOU GET THE TCSD APPROVAL, WHICH WOULD BE AUGUST.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PLANS TO DO ARE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE THE APPROVALS OR NEED TO EITHER DO ANY OF THIS, BUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR ME, IF I JUST GO DOWN WITH THE PIECES HERE, UM, IN, IN THE
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I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER THERE'S ANY MORE INTENSIVE USE BEING APPLIED FOR PERMITTED HERE VERSUS THE OTHER TWO B ONE PROPERTIES THAT SURROUND THE DEVELOPMENT.IF IT'S MUCH MORE INTENSIVE, THAT'S DIFFERENT FOR ME, IF IT'S THE SAME INTENSITY AND AGAIN, IT'S CARS, LIGHTS, MUSIC, NOISE, OUTSIDE AMPLIFIED JUST WHAT THE INTENSITY IS.
CAUSE IF IT'S CONSISTENT, RIGHT.
THAT WE'RE REALLY NOT BREAKING NEW GROUND HERE.
SO ON THE B ONE, IF I KNEW THAT WE WEREN'T BREAKING NEW GROUND, IT'D BE EASIER FOR ME TO GET THERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW ON THE
IT'S JUST, THERE'S USUALLY SOME KIND OF TRANSITION WITH, YOU KNOW, ONE ACRE, FIVE ACRES, YOU KNOW, YOU GRADUALLY GET MORE AND MORE INTENSIVE AS OPPOSED TO INTENSIVE M TO JUMP TO RESIDENTIAL BACKYARD.
AND SO FOR ME, ON THE END, TOO, HOW DO I GET THERE IS IF THE PROFFER PROVIDED SUFFICIENT BUFFER TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL FROM WHATEVER THE MOST INTENSIVE M TWO USE IS.
SO IF IT'S A SIX FOOT STORY BUILDING, I NEED A CERTAIN BUFFER.
IF IT'S A ONE-STORY BUILDING, I NEED A DIFFERENT BUFFER.
SO FOR ME TO GET THERE ON THE M TWO, WHATEVER THE INTENSITY IS AND WHATEVER THE DISRUPTION IS, SINCE THERE IS NO OTHER TRANSITIONS ZONING IN BETWEEN THE TWO, AND WE'VE GOT TO, IT'S A PRETTY BIG LEAP BETWEEN THE TWO.
I JUST NEED TO MEET CONVINCED THAT THE BUFFER IT DOES ADEQUATELY PROTECT GIVEN WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE EMPTY, SO WE CAN'T GET THAT SPECIFIC.
SO WE KIND OF HAVE TO GO TO THE MAXIMUM.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU SCALE BACK, WHAT COULD BE THERE, THEN WE'RE ABLE TO SCALE BACK, BUT I'D WANT TO KNOW.
SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THREE FOOT OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS SUFFICIENT BUFFERING FOR A THREE FOOT THREE-STORY BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT MY POINT IS, YOU KNOW, I COULD GET THROUGH WITH THEM TOO.
IF I KNEW THAT THE RESIDENTS WERE BEING PROTECTED WITH WHATEVER THE MAXIMUM INTENSIVE USE WOULD BE THE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEM.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT IF IT WENT HAND IN HAND, THAT'S ONE THING I DON'T NEED TO KNOW.
I DON'T ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF M TWO AND A LOT OF
AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE.
SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY, BUT A LOT OF THAT, M TWO HAS M TWO NEXT DOOR.
IT DOESN'T HAVE OUR PUD NEXT DOOR.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT AS CONCERNED HERE.
WE'RE CONCERNED BECAUSE THERE'S NOT M TWO NEXT DOOR TO HIM TOO.
SO THAT'S WHY THE CONCERN, OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T BE EVEN HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
SO AGAIN, IT GOES HAND IN HAND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER'S GOING TO BE THERE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY IT'S WHATEVER THE MAXIMUM INTENSITY IS, BUT AS LONG AS THEY WERE PROTECTED, THEN YOU CAN GET THERE ON THE M TWO.
UM, THEN WE GO DOWN TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR ME TO GET THE, YES, THERE IS THAT TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN THE TCSD AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD IT OUT PRIOR TO THAT, DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE FOR ME TO GIVE YOU A PERMISSION FOR SOMETHING YOU CAN'T DO.
BUT IF I KNEW, SO AGAIN, WE'RE BACK TO THE AUGUST.
TIMEFRAME WE'LL KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU'LL BE COMING BEFORE US TO SEE IF IT, IF IT CAN BE DONE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE TIME, THE COMMERCIAL AND THE INDUSTRIAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOPS, THIS REALLY ISN'T AN MPU D I THINK IN THE MANNEQUIN, WE TIED THE TWO AND HAD PHASING BECAUSE IT WAS AN MPOD, THIS IS AN RPD, AND WE'VE NEVER REALLY TIED COMMERCIAL TO AN RPU D.
UM, SO IN MY MIND THAT THEY'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, SO I'M NOT THE TIMING ISN'T.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A SHORTAGE OF INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES OWNED PROPERTIES WE'VE SEEN ON THE ZONING MAPS, BUT SO I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BUILD INDUSTRIAL FIRST, BUT HAVING SAID ALL THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS A, AS A PACKAGE DEAL.
AND SO THERE IS THAT OVERTONE OR THAT, THAT FLAVOR.
SO AGAIN, FOR ME, I JUST BREAK IT DOWN BY
ON ALL THESE THINGS AND ALL OF THIS COULD PROBABLY BE IRONED OUT BY AUGUST.
CAN WE GET IT ALL IRONED OUT TONIGHT? I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S A, IT'S A BIG LAB.
AND AGAIN, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE, THE FUZZINESS OF WHAT'S BEING ASKED HERE.
WE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING LINED UP AND IT'S NOT MAYBE NEEDED SOME TIME TO PERCOLATE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT'S READY, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM.
IS THAT A FORM OF EMOTION FOR THAT AGAIN? MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, WHAT THE BALLPARK, UH, ADVERTISE PRICING OF THESE HOMES? UM, WE EXPECT THEM TO LIKELY AVERAGE ABOUT TO $500,000 PER HOME, SORT OF THANK YOU.
UM, SO KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF MR. PETERSON, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE BRINGS UP A LOT OF GREAT POINTS.
I DON'T KNOW, AS THE, THE MTU CONCERNS ME, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE WHERE MY HEAD I'M.
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THIS IS I THINK THE FIRST TIME WHERE I, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING TO SEE US BUILD MORE RESIDENTIAL AND WE'RE OKAY WITH THE DENSITY OF, I'VE NOT SEEN THAT EVER, WHICH TELLS YOU HOW CONCERNED OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS ARE WITH WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.SO THIS IS A HEDGING, THEIR BETS, THAT, OKAY, WELL, THESE FOLKS, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M SORT OF AT, AND EVEN WITH THE MARKETING CONDITIONS, AND THAT'S WHY A BUYER'S AGENT GETS A PERCENTAGE, IT'S THEIR JOB TO PROTECT THEM.
IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO GOVERN AGAINST ANY SORT OF, WE PROTECT THEM TO A DEGREE, BUT THERE'S SOME MONA'S THAT THEY HAVE TO SEE.
SO FOR ME, I'M NOT AS I DON'T GET AS CONCERNED AROUND THE BUFFERING AND NOT KNOWING WHAT'S THERE, BECAUSE THE BUYERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MOVING IN THERE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOMETHING COMING.
AND IF THAT THEIR RISK TOLERANCE IS OKAY WITH THAT, THEN GREAT FROM, UM, THE TCSD PIECE THOUGH, IS AN INTERESTING ONE FOR ME, BECAUSE I CAN SEE SORT OF BOTH SIDES AND WHERE I'M KIND OF, AND AGAIN, NEWER TO THE PROCESS, BUT, UM, IF IT DOESN'T APPROVE, THEN WE'VE JUST, IT DOESN'T GO FORWARD ANYWAY.
SO WE'VE JUST DELAYED THE PROCESS TCSD ACTUALLY COMES TO THIS BOARD FOR THEM TO GET IN.
SO WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WAIT, TILL YOU COME BACK TO US TO LET YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU IN, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AGAIN AFTERWARDS.
SO I FEEL LIKE IF WE, AND I COULD BE WRONG ON THIS, THIS IS MAYBE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION FOR SOMEBODY IS, SO LET'S SAY THIS PAST WITH THE, THAT RESIDENTIAL HAS TO BE IN A CCSD.
IF WE DON'T PUT IT IN THE TCC THAT IT'S DONE, RIGHT.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE KILLED IT ANYWAY, BUT WE'VE GIVEN THE PRE-APPROVAL, THIS IS SORT OF A PRE-APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO WHERE I, WHERE I STRUGGLE WITH, UM, THIS APPLICATION IS THE, I SEE, I SEE SOME REALLY GREAT BENEFITS OF THIS SORT OF TRANSITIONAL PIECE.
AND I DO, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH THE FOLKS IN EDA AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT SAY THE MORE, THE FURTHER DOWN THE PRODUCT PATH WE CAN GET TO GETTING THESE THINGS BUILT OUT, WHICH I THINK WE ALL WANT THE BETTER IT IS FOR EVERYONE.
SO THERE'S A PIECE OF ME THAT CAME IN HERE AND I GO, I DON'T WANT ANY MORE RESIDENTIAL THERE, BUT JUST KIND OF HEARING THE RESIDENTS AND HEARING, UM, I'M KIND OF COMING AROUND TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE'S, THIS MAKES IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR A BUYER TO BRING US SOME MORE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO I'M, I'M, I'M GETTING THERE.
THE QUESTION OF, OF OUR ESTEEMED ATTORNEY, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE PASS THIS ON THE CONDITION THAT TO CSD IS APPROVED FOR BOTH PIECES BY WHEN I'M SAY BY AUGUST, BUT AS WE ASSUME, IT WILL BE BY AUGUST THAT WE GO AHEAD AND PASS IT AND SAY, IF IT GETS THE APPROVAL OF THE TCSD, THEN IT'S FINE.
IF IT DOESN'T, THEN EVERYTHING STAYS THE WAY IT IS.
THAT WAY WE HAVEN'T TIED OURSELVES.
WELL, DOES IT? I THINK IT SAYS THAT ALREADY, MR. SHARP, WE ALREADY CHANGE ZONING ON A PIECE.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH GOING THROUGH AND CHANGING ZONING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BECAUSE ONCE IT'S CHANGED, YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT BACK.
AND THE OWNER COMES AND SAYS, GEE, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO CHANGE IT BACK.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH PRE ZONING STUFF.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT LOCKS YOU IN.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T LIKE TAKING THE RISK OF, OF CHANGING SOMETHING.
BUT THAT WAY WE'RE, EAGLE'S PROTECTED.
THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS PROTECTED.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN THE WHOLE THING IS BECOMES NULL AND VOID.
IS THAT LEGAL? HOW MR. SHARP, YOU'RE PUTTING ME ON THE SPOT.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD WANT TO, UM, PROCEED UNDER THAT CONDITION.
IF I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT WAS LEGAL, BUT IF THEY DON'T GET IT, THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T BUILD IT.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR THE BOARD IS WHAT IS THE W WHAT IS THE DETERMINANT DURING THE AUGUST MEETING FOR THE TCSD APPLICATION? I UNDERSTAND FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, INSTEAD OF DEFERRING UNTIL AUGUST TO YOU GET, THEN WE GOTTA COME BACK AND DO THIS AGAIN.
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UH, THAT'S MY QUESTION.I'M LOOKING, WHAT'S THE MOST EXPEDITIOUS MANNER, CUP CUP, A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK.
CAUSE I THINK WE YOU'VE DONE THIS AT LEAST ONCE IN THE PAST, ONCE YOU'VE HAD ADVERTISED THE PUBLIC HEARING CONDUCTED THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT BEFORE YOU TOOK AN ACTION, YOU CAN DEFER THE ACTION WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THIS AGAIN.
AND STARTING OVER WITH ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, YOU ALSO CAN STACK THE TCSD PERMISSION IN FRONT OF THE DECISION ON THIS.
SO YOU WOULD KNOW, AND WE WOULD KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE DISTRICT BEFORE WE DECIDE ON THIS.
SO THOSE COULD BE DONE THE SAME EVENING AND YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
WE, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION IS ALL OUT THERE.
DOES THAT GIVE US TIME TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CLEANUPS? DOES IT GIVE US TIME TO DO SOME OF THIS COMPARISON? AND MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WITHOUT BEING ADMITTED TO THE TCSD, YOU CAN'T START THE BE WATER AND TWO, AND YOU PROBABLY CAN'T REALLY START THE RESIDENTIAL EITHER.
SO YOU REALLY CAN'T DO MUCH BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST.
MY QUESTION, THAT MY ANSWER HERE, I'M PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.
LET ME ASK YOU IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE TCSD, WHAT WOULD YOU DO BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST IF YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING OR, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A QUESTION, NOT AN ANSWER, CAUSE IT, CAUSE IF YOU WOULDN'T PROCEED, THEN THERE'S REALLY NO COST BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND TIME IS MONEY AND YOU WANT TO KEEP THE, GET THINGS MOVING AGAIN, SAME PAGE ON ALL THAT.
BUT, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, THEN, THEN THERE ISN'T ANY COSTS TO WAITING AND THEN STACK IT UP THE WAY I MENTIONED, WHICH IS NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARINGS, ONE BEFORE THE OTHER BANG, BANG THE DOMINOES FALL BY THEN WE GET THINGS CLEANED UP AND IRON OUT THE NUMBER OF FEET FOR THE HEIGHT AND TERMS AND CONDITIONS YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT.
WELL, I THINK I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
IF WE HAD OUR APPROVAL ON OUR ZONING TONIGHT, WE KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE, UH, ACCEPTANCE INTO THE TCC.
WE WOULD START OUR ENGINEERING WORK.
WE WOULD START GETTING READY TO MAKE OUR SUBMISSION, UM, TO STAFF FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
UM, WE WOULD FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THE, THAT THE TCSD APPLICATION WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL, UH, PENDING THE MERITS OF, UH, OF THE DEVELOPMENT ENTERING INTO THE, THE SERVICE DISTRICTS.
WE WOULD GET MOVING IN BOTH ON THE RESIDENTIAL, ON THE COMMERCIAL.
WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TWO MONTHS TO START MARKETING IT, TO RETURN THE PHONE CALLS, TO THE INTERESTED PARTIES THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW.
AND WE WOULD BE GETTING OUT AHEAD OF IT.
UM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE MOVING DIRT.
BUT WE WOULD BE LINING OURSELVES UP AND SETTING OURSELVES UP AND REALLY LOOKING FOR THE USERS THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY, UH, FILL THE COMMERCIAL AND, AND THEN START LOOKING AT MOVING THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT FORWARD WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE STILL WOULD HAVE TO GET ACCEPTED INTO THE TCSD TO BE ABLE TO ACTIVATE THOSE SITES.
CAUSE YOU STILL HAVE THAT LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY AND I'M GUESSING YOU'VE DONE SOME THINGS ALREADY.
YOU'VE GOT A LIST OF INTERESTED PARTIES.
I MEAN, YOU'VE, WE DON'T HAVE WE'VE AGAIN, WE'VE RECEIVED A COUPLE OF PHONE CALLS FROM POTENTIAL USERS, BUT UNTIL, UNTIL THERE'S KNOWN ZONING THERE, UM, NO, ONE'S REALLY WILLING TO GET TOO FAR OUT ON A LIMB BECAUSE SURE.
I MEAN, IT'S REALLY TOO, YOU NEED THE KNOWN ZONING AND THE KNOWN ACCESS TO WATER AND SEWER.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE, THEY KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND.
THIS IS HOW MUCH WOULD YOU DO IF YOU ONLY HAD ONE, BUT NOT THE OTHER, UH, ANYWAY, I, THE, I BELIEVE THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IN THE MARKETPLACE IS THAT IF THE ZONING WERE ACCEPTED, THAT THE, THE WATER AND SEWER WOULD FOLLOW, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I COME BACK TO IS THIS BOARD NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE WHATEVER IT WANTS TO AND FOREGONE CONCLUSIONS ARE BAKED IN THE CAKE.
STUFF IS NOT THE WAY WE, THE WAY WE OPERATE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT I THINK THE MARKET, HOW THE MARKET, IN TERMS OF THE USERS, THEY GET MORE EXCITED.
AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO CREATE EXPECTATIONS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE MET.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US NOT TO DO THAT.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, SO IF IT WERE TO BE TONIGHT, TONIGHT, THEY'D HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR TILL WE APPLY.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S SO, BUT THAT'S CORRECT.
OR IT COULD BE DEFERRED FOR TWO MONTHS AND HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING APPROVED.
POSSIBLY HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAT'S FOR SURE, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH YET TONIGHT MYSELF.
WELL, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THAT MOTION.
TELL HIM TO GIVE US THE PEARSON.
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I MOVED AT THE BOARD DEFER CONSIDERATION OF REZONING, OUR Z TWO OH TWO ONE OH OH OH OH FOUR FOR THE 41.3, THREE, FOUR ACRES ON ASHLAND ROAD JOHNSON ROAD.AND I'LL BE ROAD FROM 82 TO ARPAD.
UH, ALSO, UH, THE B ONE AND INDUSTRIAL M TWO AND UH, TO OUR AUGUST MEETING.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SECOND, IT I'LL SECOND.
PUBLIC HEARING OR DECISION DECISION.
BUT I THINK SHE SAID DEFERRED DECISION WAS THE NATURE OF THE MOTION, RIGHT? YES.
WAS THAT, I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT BETTER CHANCE CITY COUNTY ATTORNEY.
LET ME KNOW IF THAT, SO, ALL RIGHT.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO ANY DISCUSSION BOARD MEMBERS? YEAH.
I THINK YOU HEARD THE, THE RISK IS IF WE PUSH THIS THING TO A VOTE ON APPROVAL OR DENIAL THAT IF IT GETS DENIED, YOU GOT TO WAIT AT LEAST A YEAR.
AND IF DEFERRING, IT HELPS TO GET TO YES.
THEN MAYBE THAT'S THE RATIONALE.
I'D RATHER FIND A WAY TO GET THE GUESTS, FRANKLY.
SO, UM, DISCUSSION ANY DISCUSSION, HOW MUCH MORE HE WANTS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED.
I'M SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, A ROLL CALL, VOTE ON THE MOTION TO DEFER MR. YOUNG SUPERVISOR SPRINT HOUR.
SO THEN BEN DEFERRED FOUR TO ONE, TWO, OUR AUGUST REGULAR MEETING.
UM, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY BE TALKING TO STAFF.
UM, TALKING TO STAFF WILL, WILL AREN'T OUT BECAUSE HE TELLS IT SO WE ARE ON TRACK TO GET THE TCSD ON BEFORE US TCFC APPLICATION DIVORCE ON THAT DAY.
I, I CONFIRMED THAT WITH MR. LONGSHORE BEFORE THE MEETING.
WE WILL SEE YOU ALL IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
IT'LL BE HERE BEFORE WE KNOW IT, BUT, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT'S OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN FOR A WEEK UNTIL NEXT MONDAY.
WE'LL BE AT A WORK SESSION HERE IN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, BUILDING
[XVIII.Adjournment: The Board of Supervisors will adjourn as follows:]
THIS LOCATION OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.NOT THIS ROOM CONFERENCE ROOM TWO 70 ACROSS THE HALL, BUT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT WORK SESSION.
UM, LOTS OF GOOD THINGS TO DISCUSS THERE.
THEN AFTER THAT, WE'LL BE BACK JULY 6TH FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING AT 2:00 PM, 6:00 PM.
UM, AND THAT WE TALKED EARLIER THIS EVENING ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE DISCUSSION THAT'S COMING UP IN JULY.
SO I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS GOING ON THIS SUMMER.