[00:01:06]
WE NOW CALL TO ORDER THE, UH, JUNE 3RD MEETING[1. Call To Order]
OF THE GOOCHLAND PLANNING COMMISSION.DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION.
[2. Pledge of Allegiance]
MOST GRACIOUS.GOD, THANK YOU FOR ENABLING US TOGETHER HERE TODAY.
[3. Invocation - Led By Mr. Pituck]
THANK YOU FOR THIS BODY OF PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE ORDAINED TO RULE THIS GREAT COUNTY.NOW, AS WE GO ABOUT DOING THE BUSINESS SET FORTH TODAY, HELP US TO KEEP YOU FIRST IN EVERYTHING THAT WE SAY AND DO BLESS ALL WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY WITH THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM, AND UNDERSTANDING SO THAT WE MAY PROSPER UNDER THEIR LEADERSHIP.
MOST OF ALL BIND US TOGETHER IN THE SPIRIT OF LOVE, WHICH SURPASSES ALL THINGS.
IT IS IN YOUR OMNIPOTENT NAME.
[4. Approval of Minutes]
MOTION TO APPROVE.SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPERLY.
IT'S SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 6TH MEETING ALL IN FAVOR.
YEAH, I SAY WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT FORWARD TO A CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
AND THIS IS FOR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA
[5. Citizen Comment Period]
TONIGHT.YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY, PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, NO ONE COMING FORWARD WITH CLOSE TO CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD, AS THERE ARE ANY REQUESTS TO DEFER, NO REQUEST TO DEFER ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
OH YEAH, I'M SORRY, BUT THIS WILL BE OUR LAST MEETING THAT'S DONE ON ZOOM DUE TO THE, DUE TO THE RESTRICTIONS BEING LIFTED BY A CDC INVITED GOVERNOR.
THIS WILL BE THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A VIRTUAL ZOOM OPTION.
CITIZENS WILL BE WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO LIVE STREAM THE MEETINGS FROM THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE AND PROVIDE COMMENTS BY EMAILING A PIECE C C O M M E N T S GOOCHLAND VA THAT US OR DIRECTLY CONTACTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS OR COUNTY STAFF VIA EMAIL LETTER OR PHONE CALL.
OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS IN DISTRICT THREE.
SEE YOU 2021 ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO FOUR APPLICATION BY GOOCHLAND COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN ON 104.35 ACRES AT THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL COMPLEX LOCATED AT 32 50 RIVER ROAD WEST
[6. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions, or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings]
ON TAX MAP.THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURE LIMITED AID TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BY GOOCHLAND COUNTY'S ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15, FOUR 16.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATE THIS AREA AS PUBLIC COUNTY OWNED AND INSTITUTIONAL.
THANK YOU, MRS. PARKER, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I'M JAMIE SHERRY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, TONIGHT WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS FROM GOOCHLAND COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD, UM, BOTH FOR ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SCIENCE.
[7. Public Hearing Items]
THE FIRST ONE WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING IS, UH, FOR[1. District 3 - CU-2021-00004 - Application by Goochland County School Board]
THE HIGH SCHOOL,[00:05:01]
WHICH IS LOCATED, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION, UH, THE COMPLEX ITSELF IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF BULLDOG WAY AND RIVER ROAD WEST.UM, THE, AS PARKER SAID, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DOES IT MAKE THIS AS A PUBLIC COUNTY OWNED INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTY, UH, SURROUNDING USES, UM, VARY FROM, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO, UM, UH, UH, MORE INTENSIVE USES.
THE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY IS A TWO, UH, LIMITED, UH, AGRICULTURAL LIMITED.
AND AGAIN, THE, UH, SURROUNDING ZONING ALSO REFLECTS WHAT I AS MENTIONED LOTS OF, UM, RESIDENTIAL AND VARIOUS OTHER BUSINESS USES.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, UM, UH, THE SCHOOL COMPLEX BILL, UM, IS ACTUALLY QUITE LARGE.
THE SIGN IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE GOING IN AT THE, AT THE CORNER AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE DEPICTION OF THAT, BUT THERE ARE, UM, UH, THERE IS, UH, SUBDIVISIONS OF AND CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE, UM, UH, TO THE SAME LOCATION.
SO JUST TO KIND OF, UH, BRING YOU, UH, REMIND YOU OF WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGNS GO, UM, WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE, UH, WE ALLOWED FOR ALEXA ELECTRIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGNS.
UM, THERE ARE TWO CURRENTLY IN THE COUNTY, ONE AT REYNOLDS COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
UH, THIS WAS DONE PRIOR TO, UM, US ADOPTING THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE FOR THIS USE.
UM, BUT IT WAS NOT SUBJECT COUNTY BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE STATE, EXCUSE ME.
AND LAST SUMMER, UM, YOU ALL RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND IT WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED FOR, UH, SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH, WHICH IS ON BROAD STREET ROAD.
UM, AS I MENTIONED TONIGHT, UH, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR A SIGN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN AT RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UH, SO AS I MENTIONED, THE SIGN LOCATION IS RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF BULLDOG WAY AND, UM, RIVER ROAD WEST, UM, THIS PARTICULAR SIGN WILL BE A REPHRASING OF THE EXISTING SIGN.
UM, IT WILL HAVE, UH, THE MESSAGE BOARD SIGN, UM, ON, ON TWO SIDES.
UM, AS THE SIGN IS CURRENTLY TWO SIDES, UM, THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN IS ALLOWED IN THE
UM, ORDINANCE STANDARDS ARE REQUIRED UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THROUGH THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME HAS NOT ASKED FOR ANY EXCEPTIONS WITH THE APPLICATION.
THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS ARE REQUIRED UNLESS APPROVED, UH, GENERAL REGULAR, UH, REQUIREMENTS INCLUDED.
THE BUILDING AND ELECTRICAL PERMITS WOULD BE REQUIRED.
THE SIGN IS NOT TO BE LOCATED IN A MANNER WHICH COULD CAUSE CONFUSION FROM OUR, WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
UM, THE MESSAGES MUST BE STATIC, NO ANIMATION VIDEOS FLASHING OR SCROLLING TEXT IS PERMITTED.
THE DISPLAY MESSAGES CANNOT CHANGE MORE THAN ONCE EVERY MINUTE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN A MESSAGE IS CAN ONLY BE A BLACK SCREEN OR AN IMMEDIATE TRANSITION, NO FLASHING OR FADING OR SCROLLING HAS PERMITTED IN THE EVENT OF THE MALFUNCTION OF THE SIGN.
THE DISPLAY MUST BE CHANGED TO A DARK SCREEN.
IF THE SIGN IS TWO-SIDED, BOTH SIDES MUST DISPLAY THE SAME MESSAGE, A BRIGHTNESS CONTROLS, UH, ELIMINATION FROM THE SIGN MUST NOT EXCEED, UM, HALF A FOOT CANDLE ABOVE THE AMBIENT LIGHT AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, LIGHTING CAN NOT SHINE DIRECTLY TOWARDS ANY DWELLING.
UM, SIGNS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN AUTOMATIC DIMMER TO BE TURNED OFF AT 11:00 PM OR AS LATE AS THE BUSINESSES OPEN AND SUNRISE, UH, PRIOR TO SIGN APPROVAL, THE APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE CERTIFICATIONS, SHOWING COMPLIANCE WITH THESE BRIGHTNESS CONTROLS.
UM, THE ORDINANCE ALSO, UM, ADDRESSES, UH, GAS STATIONS.
BUT SINCE THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION, I'M NOT GOING TO REVIEW THAT.
UM, IN REVIEWING THE APPLICATION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD HAS, UH, THEY CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING FACTORS, UH, AS WELL AS OTHER APPROPRIATE LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS, PROPORTION OF THE SCIENCE FACE TO BE USED FOR THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD, UM, THE USE OF COLORS AND THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE, UH, RELATION TO RELATIONSHIPS NEARBY RESIDENCES, DISTANCE TO OTHER ELECTRONIC MISSIONS, BOARD SIGNS, SPEED LIMIT OF ROADWAY AND ROAD CLASSIFICATION, GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE AREA AND LANDSCAPING, UM, IS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PACKAGE HERE IS, UM, WHAT THE, UH, SCHOOL BOARD HAS PROVIDED AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE SIGN, UH, COULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S THE EXISTING SIGN THAT IS THERE.
SO THEY'RE REPLACING THE, UM, THE FACE OF IT.
UH, THIS PICTURE, UM, WILL HELP YOU, UH, SEE, UH, THE
[00:10:01]
PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, HIGHLAND HILLS IS THE SUBDIVISION THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE COMPLEX TO THE WEST.
UM, IT IS A LARGE LOT LARGER LOT SINGLE FAMILIES, PRETTY MUCH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SUBDIVISION SURROUNDS THE, UM, THE ENTIRE SCHOOL BOARD COMPLEX, THE CLOSEST HOUSE, UM, IS LOCATED IN THAT SUBDIVISION APPROXIMATELY 120 FEET AWAY AND IS SCREENED BY EVERGREEN, UM, LANDSCAPING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BULLDOG WAY.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURE, THE SPEED LIMIT ON ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION.
THIS PORTION OF RIVER ROAD WEST IS TWO LANE ROAD CLASSIFIED AS A MINOR ARTERIAL ROAD.
UH, THE SPEED LIMIT IS 55 MILES AN HOUR AND IS REDUCED TO 40 MILES AN HOUR.
WHEN THE SCHOOL SPEED LIMIT SIGN IS FLASHING, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY HEALTH MEETING HELD ON APRIL 24TH ON NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC ATTENDED.
AND SINCE THAT TIME STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THIS REQUEST, STAFF HAS THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN, UM, UH, MUST, UH, FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS OF THE ORDINANCE.
UH, NUMBER TWO, UH, THE MESSAGE BOARD DESIGN MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH EXHIBIT A, WHICH I PRESENTED IN THE PRESENTATION, UH, SITE PLAN, UH, ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGNED TO BE GENERALLY LOCATED TO EXHIBIT B, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF THE PRESENTATION, EXCUSE ME, PRIVATE PRIOR TO RECEIVING A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, THE MESSAGE FOR THE MESSAGES BOARD SIGN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, WHICH WILL BE APPROVED BY, UM, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MUST BE, UM, PROVIDED.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS A TRANSFER LEASE IN THE EVENT THAT THIS PROPERTY DOES CHANGE HANDS EITHER THROUGH LEASE OR SALE.
UM, THE, UH, THE OUTPUT MUST CONTACT US, BEING THE COUNTY TO LET US KNOW AS WELL AS THE NEW, UM, PROPERTY HOLDER, UH, TO HAVE A COPY OF THE CONDITIONS THAT SUMS UP THIS PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I ASSUME THESE CONDITIONS IN THE SAME AS I'M ACTUALLY SAN JUAN, EXCUSE ME, THE, UM, ONE BAPTIST ACTUALLY HAD ASKED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL EXCEPTIONS WITH THEIR APPLICATION.
I BELIEVE ONE OF THEM WAS ALLOWED AND THAT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, UM, IT WAS THE FREQUENCY THEY HAD ASKED FOR TWO, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE THEY, THEY WERE APPROVED FOR WHOSE COMPLIES WITH THE CORRECT.
THAT THAT IS WHAT THE APPLICATION IS ASKED FOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU OPEN IT, MIKE TO A CITIZEN COMMENT, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR, OR AGAINST THIS, PLEASE COME FORWARD APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO COME FORWARD.
UH, MY NAME IS JEREMY REILEY TWO, TWO ONE TWO PARKERS HILL DRIVE, PROUD SUPERINTENDENT OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
I'M THANKFUL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
UH, LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, UPON IF YOU CONSIDER THIS FOR APPROVAL AND SUPERVISOR APPROVAL, IT CAN BE A VERY NICE STRATEGY FOR US TO CONTINUALLY COMMUNICATE WITH OUR COMMUNITY REGARDING SPECIAL EVENTS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE AT THE SCHOOL.
SO APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT HAPPENED? WE WERE NOW OPEN MIKE TO CITIZEN COMMENT.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR, OR AGAINST THIS, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO HAVE YOUR SAY, SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE.
THE CITIZEN COM WE DO HAVE ONE, OH, ZOOM.
THAT'LL BE COLD TO THE PUBLIC OR THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY WITH THE SUN.
WE RECOMMEND THIS FOR APPROVAL BY THE BOARD.
I'LL SECOND THAT IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOTIONED AND SECONDED.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OUR NEXT ITEM IS IN DISTRICT FOUR, C U 2021 ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO THREE
[2. District 4 - CU-2021-00003 - Application by Goochland County School Board]
[00:15:01]
APPLICATION BY GOOCHLAND COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN ON 31.535 ACRES AT RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LOCATED AT ONE FIVE FIVE TWO SHEPHERD TOWN ROAD ON TAX MAP.THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED EIGHT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BY GOOCHLAND COUNTY'S ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15, FOUR 16.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS PUBLIC COUNTY OWNED INSTITUTIONAL.
MS. PARKER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, AS I HAD MENTIONED IN PREVIOUS, UM, EXCUSE ME, PRESENTATION MY PREVIOUS PRESENTATION.
UM, THIS IS THE SECOND APPLICATION FROM GOOCHLAND COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD FOR AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN.
UH, THIS WILL BE LOCATED AT THE RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH IS LOCATED ON SHEPHERD TOWN ROAD.
UM, AS MS. PARKER SAID THE, UM, DESIGNATION FOR, UH, FROM THE COMP PLAN IDENTIFIES IT AS PUBLIC, UM, COUNTY OWN AND INSTITUTIONAL AND THE SURROUNDING AREA IS, UM, RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED A TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED AS IS, UM, THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS, UM, UH, AREAS OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S A RATHER LARGE PROPERTY THAT I'LL BE SHOWING YOU THE LOCATION SIGN, UH, LOCATION OF THE SIGN, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF THE LOTS AROUND THERE ARE, UM, RESIDENTIAL LARGER LOTS.
UM, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO REREAD THIS UNDER THIS CASE? OR CAN I JUST, UH, GENERALLY SAY IT'S THE SAME STANDARDS? OKAY, VERY GOOD.
UM, UH, AS IN THE PREVIOUS, UM, PRESENTATION, I DID MENTION THAT THE HISTORY OF ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGNS IN THE COUNTY.
UM, SO THIS, UM, EXHIBIT B ACTUALLY IDENTIFIES THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN IS ACTUALLY, UH, WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE GOING.
IT IS AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARKING LOT.
UM, AND AGAIN, THIS GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY OF, UM, THE, A TWO AND IT IS ALLOWED, BUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, AND FOR, FOR THIS APPLICATION, UM, THE, UM, THE APPLICATION DOES NOT ASK FOR ANY EXCEPTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, STANDARDS ARE GENERALLY ARE THE SAME GENERAL REQUIREMENTS PERTAIN, UM, THAT PERTAINS TO THE DISPLAY AND THE BRIGHTNESS CONTROLS, UH, THE SAME FACTORS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN MAKING THE DECISION.
AND, UH, NOW WE GET TO THE, THE EXHIBIT OF THE SIGN.
THIS IS EXHIBIT A, THIS IS WHAT THE SIGN WOULD, UH, WOULD, UH, HOW IT WOULD APPEAR.
AND I MENTIONED THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN AND WHAT THE GENERAL CHARACTERISTIC OF THE AREA IS.
UM, THIS ALSO, UM, THIS SHOWS, UM, THE, UH, THE DICKS, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE SIGN AND, UM, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS AROUND THERE, THE CLOSEST ONE IS 400 AND THE OTHER ONE IS APPROXIMATELY 175 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED SIGN ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE IS ALSO A RESIDENCE IT'S, UH, FARTHER AWAY THAN THE TWO THAT I DEPICTED, BUT THERE IS, UH, A RESIDENCE ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL.
UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, SHEPHERD TOWN ROAD.
IT IS A TWO LANE ROAD AND IS CLASSIFIED AS A LOCAL ROAD.
AND THE SPEED LIMIT IS 40 MILES PER HOUR.
UH, COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD ALSO ON APRIL 14TH AND NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC ATTENDED THIS MEETING.
AND SINCE THIS, UM, MEETING, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
THERE HAS BEEN NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, CONDITIONS ARE VERY SIMILAR.
UM, THE USE IS THE SIGN THAT WAS, UM, THEY HA IT HAS TO APPLY TO, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.
UH, THE SIGN ITSELF, UH, WOULD LOOK LIKE EXHIBIT A, WHICH WAS IN THE PRESENTATION.
AND, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN WOULD BE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH EXHIBIT B, WHICH WAS IN THE PRESENTATION.
UH, THEY, TO IT ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, SUBMITTED ALONG WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT, UM, APPROVED BY COUNTY STAFF.
AND LASTLY, THE SAME LEASE AND TRANSFER CONDITION WOULD APPLY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON THIS APPLICATION? FACE, PARALLEL THE ROAD ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A LONG WAYS OFF.
AND, UM, I WAS GIVEN THE, UM, THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN BY THE SCHOOL BOARD.
THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
WOULD THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. DUKE, IT SITS BACK OFF THE ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 35, 40 FEET.
[00:20:01]
PERPENDICULAR TO THAT ROAD.DIFFERENT DESIGN THAN THE ONE YOU PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THIS EVENING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO IT'S TWO SIDES.
YOU CAN'T READ IT FROM THE ROAD.
I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.
UH, COMING HERE, THROWS HERE ARE THE SIGNS OR PARALLEL YEAH, ROADS HERE.
YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT GOING BOTH DIRECTIONS.
IF YOU'RE READING IT, YOU CAN READ IT.
CAUSE THE BACKSIDE, WHICH SAYS FACES OF SCHOOL
IT WOULD BE PARALLEL TO THE, IT IS IF IT'S FACING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION IS PERPENDICULAR AND YOU CAN'T READ IT FROM THE ROAD.
HERE'S WHAT WE DID AT THE END OF IT.
YOU'D HAVE TO BE OFF TO THE SIDE TO BE ON APPROACHING IT ROAD SCHOOL.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE SEEN TRAVELING BOTH DIRECTIONS ON SHEPHERD TOWN ROAD, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
EVEN THOUGH IT IS, IT'S A LONG WAYS OFF THE ROAD AND THERE ARE TREES THERE SCREENING THE VIEW.
IT SITS BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT WITH SOME OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS HAPPENED THERE, NEW PARKING LOT, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE LINE OF SIGHT THAN ONE MAY THINK.
WE NOW NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY, UH, FOR OR AGAINST IT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
ANYONE ON JIM AFTER THIS WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FOR THE APPLICANT.
THAT SECOND IT'S BEEN MOTION AND PROPERLY SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OUR NEXT ITEM TONIGHT IS IN DISTRICT FOUR R Z 2021 ZERO ZERO
[3. District 4 - RZ-2021-00005 - Application by Towne & Country Realty Partners,]
ZERO ZERO FIVE APPLICATION BY TOWN AND COUNTRY REALTY PARTNERS, LLC, AND JOYCE SCOTT, LLC, REQUESTING A REZONING OF 65.227 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TO, TO RESIDENTIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, R P U D WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS ON SONGBIRD LANE AND HOCKETT ROAD ON TAX MAP NUMBERS 58 EIGHT ZERO ONE ZERO 58 EIGHT ZERO TWO ZERO 58 EIGHT ZERO THREE B AND 58, EIGHT ZERO THREE D THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY.UM, I DID WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSION WHEN YOU DO VOTE.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE REVISED PROFFERS, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AND A VOTE TO WAIVE THE TIME LIMIT MS. JEREMY SUSPICION, TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER.
UM, MRS. PARKER INDICATED THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 65 ACRES, UM, TO OUR PD DISTRICT TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF 130 LOT SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS LOCATED IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS AGRICULTURALLY.
UM, SEVERAL OTHER OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO SHARE THAT.
IS THERE ANY DISTRICT? UH, THERE IS SOME, AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING, UH, ACROSS THE, THE CROSS HOCKET ROAD.
AND THERE IS SOME RPU D DISTRICT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE WEST.
UH, THE, THE, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, LOW DENSITY.
AND AGAIN, IT DOES SHARE THAT, UH, IN PARTICULAR, THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ABOUT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE PROPERTY.
THAT INCLUDES THE COUNTING OF PROPERTY TO THE NORTH THAT HAS THE PUBLIC SEMI PUBLIC COUNTY OWNED INSTITUTIONAL DESIGNATION ACROSS THE STREET RECREATION, OPEN SPACE, AND PROBABLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY TO THE WEST.
SEE THE TH THE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS STRIATED AND UNDEVELOPED, AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE GENERALLY EITHER UNDEVELOPED OR HAVE A RURAL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT THE, UH, OF BY THE APPLICANT AND PROFFERED, WHICH SHOWS THE GENERAL LAYOUT OF THE LOTS, UM, AND LOCATIONS, THEY HAVE SPACE AREAS OF THIS SORT OF PAGE ONE, AND THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN PAGE TWO, UM, THIS SORT OF JUST TOOK, UH, TOOK THE COLOR OFF OF BLACK AND WHITE, AND IT DOES SHOW, UH, THE ROAD LAYOUT AND ALSO THE STUB ROADS.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER DETAILS ARE A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY SHOWN ON THIS.
UM, BUT THEY'RE BOTH PART OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IN MY PRESENTATION.
I WILL MENTION TWO HOUSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALONG SONGBIRD LANE AND THE, THEIR, UH, THEIR ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WOULD BE IMPACTED, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
AGAIN, IT IS A PROPOSAL FOR UP TO 130
[00:25:01]
SINGLE FAMILY UNITS OF THE DENSITY IS ABOUT 1.99 UNITS TO THE ACRE.UH, THEY ARE PROFFERING A MINIMUM LOT WITH THE 70 FEET.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE TECH ERIC'S TEKA GREEK SERVICE DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AS PROPOSED.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO INITIATE THAT PROCESS, UH, TO HAVE THAT HEARD BY THE BOARD IN JULY.
UM, NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, UH, SORT OF ADDRESS TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION RELATED MATTERS.
UH, THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS INTO THE ROAD.
UH, ONE POINT OF ACCESS WOULD INCLUDE RECONFIGURING THAT EXISTED, PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENT, AND A SONGBIRD LANE.
UM, IT RUNS SORT OF ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY, THEN IT CUTS SORT OF DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE PROPERTY AND PROVIDES ACCESS TO TWO PARCELS THAT SHOWED SHARED EARLIER.
THE ACCESS TO THE DWELLING THAT'S CLOSEST TO OXFORD ROAD THREE 50 SONGBIRD LANE THAT WOULD HAVE THE ACCESS WOULD ESSENTIALLY REMAIN THE SAME EXCEPT FOR PROVIDING AN IMPROVED PUBLIC ROAD.
UH, HOWEVER, FOR THE SECOND LOT, THE SECOND DWELLING, WHICH IS FURTHER FROM HAKAN, RIGHT AT THREE 75 SONGBIRD LANE, THAT THE ACCESS TO THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE RECONFIGURED TO PROVIDE ACCESS THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION.
AND THAT PROPERTY OWNER HAS RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE OPERATION OF VEHICLES RELATED TO HOME-BASED BUSINESS AND HAVING TO TRAVEL TRAVERSE THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, TO GET TO HIS PROPERTY, GET TO HIS HOME.
THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UM, AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, THERE ARE SOME LEVEL OF SERVICE IMPACTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, THERE, THE PROPERTY NOTE THAT THIS, THERE ARE SOME EXISTING MOVEMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, THAT ARE, HAVE AN UNACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
UH, THOSE ARE NOTED AT BROAD STREET AND HOCKETT ROAD, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF TURNING MOVEMENTS THERE, UM, THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UM, BELOW AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL AT BOTH THE AM AND PM RUSH HOURS.
NOW, AS IT RELATES TO THIS APPLICATION AND THIS IMPACT ON THE, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, UH, IT DID NOTE THAT IT HOCKETT ROAD AND CENTRAL PARK DRIVE WITH FULL BUILD OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AS PROPOSED THAT THERE WOULD BE, UH, AN IMPACT ATTORNEY MOVEMENT.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY FOR PEOPLE ON READER'S BRANCH DRIVE, YOU KNOW, TURNING, UM, UH, ONTO HOCKET ROAD AND THEN FOR HOCKETT ROAD TECH CREEK PARKWAY, THERE'S ALSO AN IMPACT OF THOSE TURNING MOVEMENTS.
AND THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE PEOPLE APPROACHING TECHO CREEK PARKWAY FROM BOTH SIDES.
UM, AND TH THE TURNING MOVEMENT WOULD BE FOR THE WESTBOUND TRAFFIC WOULD BE IMPACTED DURING THE AMR. AND WHEN I SAY IT'D BE IMPACTED, IT WOULD BE A REDUCTION IN SERVICE, UM, DURING THE AM RUSH HOUR FOR ONE TURN, ONE TURNING MOVEMENT AND THE PM, UH, DURING THE ANOTHER RUSH HOUR WITH THIS APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDE PROVIDING TO 200 FEET LEFT TURN LANES WITH 200 FEET OF STORAGE.
AND THAT WOULD BE A, BOTH OF THEIR ENTRANCES.
UM, AND THEN ALSO PROVIDING A RIGHT TURN LANE WITH 200 FEET OF STORAGE AND TAPER, AND SORT OF AT THEIR SOUTHERN ENTRANCE, WHICH IS SORT OF MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THEY ARE ALSO PROVIDING THE FORECAST PROFFER AS DETERMINED BY THE CAPITAL AND PAX MODEL, AS IT CONCERNS TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
UM, WITH STAFF, WE DID READ, UH, RECEIVED SOME, UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT SPEED ON HOCKETT ROAD.
THERE WAS A SPEED STUDY THAT WAS DONE, THE V DOT CONDUCTED IN 2014, UM, AND THE, AND WHAT I HAVE HERE, SOME OF THE CONCLUSIONS OF THEIR ANALYSIS AND THAT SPEED STUDY, THEY FOUND THAT THERE WAS NO BASIS TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT FROM THE 55 45 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT.
IT IS 55 FOR AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC AND 45 MILES PER HOUR FOR TRUCKS.
UM, THEY BASICALLY DUE TO THE PHYSICAL AND THE OPERATING CONDITIONS, UM, THEY DID NOT SEEM THAT A REDUCTION, IT WAS JUSTIFIED, UM, THROUGH THEIR ANALYSIS.
THE, THE SAMPLE SPEEDS WERE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THE POSTED LIMIT.
UH, THE VERY, VERY RATE GEOMETRY WAS FAVORABLE, INCLUDED, SMOOTH RIDING SURFACE SUITABLE LANE WIDTHS, UM, LOW LEVELS OF ROADSIDE DEVELOPMENT, NO ONE STREET PARKING AND VERY LITTLE PEDESTRIAN OR CYCLIST ACTIVITY WERE OBSERVED.
I THINK AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONSIDERATION.
THEY SAID THE OVERALL CRASH RATE AND THE FATALITY CRASH RATE WERE LOWER THAN THE RICHMOND DISTRICT AVERAGE FOR TYPICAL ROADWAYS.
THEY DID NOTE THAT THE INJURY RATE WAS SLIGHTLY HIGHER.
SO VINCENT IS FIRST TO THE CAPITAN PAX MODEL.
THEY ARE PROVIDING, UM, THE CASH PROFIT TO ADDRESS THEIR CAPITAL IMPACTS.
UM, WITH THE CONFERENCE PLAN, THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY THAT IS, THAT WOULD RESULT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY RECOMMENDATION FOR LOT SIZE OF TWO ACRES.
UM, THEIR DENSITY IS ABOUT 1.99 UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, THIS SUBJECT PRIVATE IT'S LOCATED WITHIN A DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA.
I'VE JUST INCLUDED SOME TEXTS FROM THE, FROM THE CONFERENCE, THAT PLAN AS IT RELATES TO DOES ANY GROWTH AREAS.
UM, JUST TAKE A SECOND TO READ THROUGH THAT.
UH, THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS IDENTIFY
[00:30:01]
WHERE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE CONCENTRATED.THE ADVANTAGES OF DELINEATING SUCH AREAS INCLUDE PROACTIVELY PLANNING AND COORDINATING GROWTH, REDUCING PRESSURE TO DEVELOP IN RURAL AREAS, SUPPORTING COST EFFECTIVENESS BY UTILIZING EXISTING AND PLANNED INFRASTRUCTURE AND FACILITATING PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE, OH, I DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE DEPARTMENT UTILITIES THAT SAID THAT THE, UM, INCLUSION OF THE TCFD AND THE INCLUSION OF THIS PROJECT AND THE TCSD CONNECTION TO UTILITIES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP.
AND THE PROPULSION TO UTILITY PERMITS THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING WITH HOCKETT ROAD TO SERVE THIS PROJECT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE UTILITY MASTER PLAN, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE TECO SERVICE DISTRICT BOUNDARY.
AGAIN, I'VE COPIED SOME LANGUAGE THIS FROM THE ORDINANCE THAT, UH, CAUSE THERE WAS A QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TECH GREEK SERVICE DISTRICT AND, AND TH TH THE EMPHASIS ON GENERALLY IS MY EMPHASIS.
UM, IT DOES SAY THE DISTRICT IS GENERALLY BOUNDED TO THE EAST BY HENRICO COUNTY LINE ON THE NORTH, BY THE HANOVER COUNTY LINE ON THE WEST BY PORTIONS OF ROUTE SIX 23 HOCKETT ROAD, PORTIONS OF SIX 76 HERMITAGE ROAD AND PORTIONS OF ROUTE SIX 22 ROCKWELL ROAD AND ON THE SOUTH BY STATE ROUTE SIX PATTERSON AVENUE, UM, AND INCLUDES A LIST OF PARCELS.
SO THAT'S THE, THE TEXT DESCRIPTION OF THE BOUNDARY THAT'S PROVIDED IN THE TCSD ORDINANCE.
UM, I'M GOING TO GO OVER THE PROFFERS AND MORE DETAIL, BUT IT JUST SORT OF HIGHLIGHT, UM, UM, SORT OF SUMMARIZE WHAT THE PROPHETS WILL ADDRESS.
UH, THEY DO HAVE EXCEPTIONAL PLAN.
THERE'S THAT MAX OF 130 LOTS, A MINIMUM 70 FOOT LOT WITH SIDEWALKS ON AT LEAST ONE SIDE OF EACH STREET, ONE TREE PLANTED IN THE FRONT YARD OF EACH DWELLING, A 100 FOOT BUFFER, LONG HOCKET ROAD AND A 35 FOOT AND 50 FOOT BUFFERS ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, DEDICATING THE RIGHT AWAY FOR HOCKET ROAD.
THE TURN LANES THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, EARLIER IN BOTH ENTRANCES, A NEIGHBORHOOD TRAILS AND OTHER MANATEES AND THE CASH PROPERTY TO OFFSET THE CAPITAL IMPACTS.
UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, THAT RELATE TO THIS REQUEST AND A POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPETENCY PLAN.
AVERAGE LOT SIZE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE TCSD, WHICH WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP IT AS PROPOSED.
ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE INITIATED A REQUEST TO BE INCLUDED IN THE TCSD, UM, THE RELOCATION AND IMPROVEMENT TO THE SOMBER LANE ACCESS EASEMENT WOULD HAVE IMPACT SOME OF THE, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT DO THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THAT ACCESS, UM, CONSTRUCTION HOURS, I THINK APOLOGIZE.
I DO THINK THEY, UM, SUBMIT A PROFIT TO ADDRESS SECTION HOURS, SO THAT ONE WAS ADDRESSED.
UM, SUBMITTING A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, WITH THE PD TO SOURCE TO SORT OF FOCUS ON THE BUFFERS AND THE, UH, THE OPEN SPACE AREAS WITH THE COMMUNITY MEETING IN MARCH 16TH, THERE WAS A COMMITTEE MEETING HELD THAT MR. SHARP, MR. SPEAR AND HAUER, UM, BOARD MEMBERS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, MR. MEYERSON, MR. PATHAK AND APPROXIMATELY 27 NEIGHBORS WERE IN ATTENDANCE.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS RAISED DURING THAT MEETING INCLUDE THE INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, UM, ADDING THE PARCEL TO THE TCSD, UM, TRAFFIC CONCERNS, UM, THE BUFFERS, THE NUMBER OF SCHOOL STUDENTS GENERATED SPEED LIMIT ON HOCKET ROAD.
UH, GENERALLY THERE, THERE WAS NO SUPPORT EXPRESSED AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING FOR THE APPLICATION AND THE IN CONCLUSION I'LL GO OVER THE, THE PROFFERS.
UM, THE FIRST ONE DOES ADDRESS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UH, THE TWO, UM, PAGES THAT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER, THE SECOND ONE, UH, COMMITS TO THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT INCLUDES, UH, THE TURN LANES, THE LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES, AND ALSO THE, THE, THAT SORT OF A TRIGGER THEY WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THE TURN LANES AND THEN B WOULD BE THE RESERVING RIGHT AWAY.
YEAH, THE THIRD WOULD BE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
DEDICATION FOR HAKA RAY, THAT'S COMMITTING TO, UM, DEDICATE RIGHT AWAY FOR ANY FUTURE WIDENING OF HOCKEY FOR THE FOURTH AND WOULD COMMIT TO OPEN SPACE AND HAVING THAT TURNED OVER TO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
AND IT WOULD ALSO COMMIT TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TREES THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED PER ACRE, EITHER PLANTED OR RETAIN WITHIN THE OPEN SPACE AREAS.
UH, THE FIFTH ONE WOULD LIMIT THEM TO 130 UNITS.
AND THE FOURTH ONE ADDRESSES THE BUFFERS.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE'S A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER ALONG, UM, THE HOCKET ROAD, THERE'S A SERIES OF 35 FOOT OR 50 FOOT BUFFERS THAT ARE PROVIDED.
AND THEY DO HAVE SOME SPECIFIC, UH, FENCING THAT THEY ARE COMMITTING TO THE, TO BUFFER CERTAIN, UH, UM, UH, PROPERTIES THAT SORT OF OUTLINED AND SEE THERE
[00:35:01]
NUMBER SEVEN WOULD COMMIT TO UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.UM, NUMBER EIGHT IS THEIR COMMITMENT TO PROVIDING RECREATIONAL AMENITIES FOR FUTURE RESIDENTS OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE WALKING TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS.
THE NINTH ONE IS A COMMITMENT TO SOD AND IRRIGATE, UM, AND ALSO TO PROVIDE TREE STREET TREES FOR SELECT A LOTS OR LOTS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE 10TH ONE IS A COMMITMENT TO INSTALL STREET TREES.
NUMBER 11 WOULD BE THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 70 FEET.
THE 12TH ONE WOULD, UM, SORT OF DICTATE THE STYLE OF STREET LIGHTING IF STREET LIGHTING IS INSTALLED.
UM, AND THE PROJECT NUMBER 13 WOULD BE A COMMITMENT TO AN ENTRANCE FEATURE AND DESCRIBE ANY LIMITATION ON DETACHED SIGNAGE.
UH, 14 WOULD COMMIT TO PROVIDING ACCESS TO A CEMETERY LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY AND TO PROVIDE A PARKING AREA.
AND THE 15 IS THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE FULL CASH PROFFER.
UM, 16 IS A, UH, COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE CERTAIN STEP LOCATIONS TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND AS MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THERE WAS THE NUMBER 17 WAS THE PROPERTY THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
UM, IT WOULD, UH, THAT WOULD LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERA LIVE, EXCUSE ME, LIMIT THE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION FROM SEVEN TO SEVEN.
UM, THAT TO CONSIDER THAT PROFFER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO WAIVE THE TIME LIMITS PRIOR TO CONSIDERATION OF THEIR OVERALL APPLICATION.
AND THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, IF THE, UM, IF THE LATS, UH, FEEL SHORT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS OF THE SCRIPT, A DESCRIPTION OF TWO ACRES PER OR TWO, A TWO ACRES PER LAP FOR, FOR LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL THAT FALLS SHORT BY 100TH OF AN ACRE, AM I CORRECT? 1.99? NO, ACTUALLY I DON'T HAVE WITH THEIR AVERAGE LOT SIZES, BUT IT WOULD BE A BIGGER DIFFERENCE THAN THAT.
I MEAN, UM, IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN IT'S LESS THAN ONE ACRE.
IT'S LESS THAN A TWO ACRE AVERAGE.
CAUSE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE.
I'M SORRY IF THE CONFUSION OVER THAT, BUT THE NUMBER OF NUMBER OF LOTS PER ACRE IS NOT THE SAME THING AS THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE.
WHAT I'M ASKING IS IS THAT AT 130 LAPS.
SO IF YOU DO THAT, THEN IT COMES UP TO APPROXIMATELY APPROXIMATELY TWO, ACCORDING TO, UM, TO WHAT YOU PUT UP, THERE WAS 1.99.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT, UH, THAT THE REST OF IT IS GOING TO BE IN, IN THE BUFFER AREA OR WHATEVER.
MOST OF THE REST OF THE, YEAH.
WE, WE DO TAKE OUT IF WE WERE GOING TO DO AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE, WE WOULD TAKE OUT THERE AND SPACE AREAS, BUT THEY DO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL OPEN SPACE AREAS ON THE PROPERTY.
I'M SORT OF PUZZLED WHERE THE APPLICANT DIDN'T JUST CUT DOWN ON ONE LOT.
SO HE COULD, UM, A AT 441 SQUARE FEET ONTO HER ONTO THE OTHER THAN THAT.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TWO EAGLES, JUST A THOUGHT.
I HADN'T HAD THAT CALCULATION, BUT IT WAS OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IS THE, THE LOW DENSITY, UH, TWO ACRE, LOTS SIZE FOR THE NORMAL KIND OF RANCID PAYING COSTS OR IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY ALONG POCKET? EXCEPT FOR THE ONE DOWN ACROSS, I WOULD SAY FOR THE CLOSEST PROPERTIES IT IS.
BUT AS YOU MOVE FURTHER AWAY, LIKE WITH, TO THE PROPERTY, TO THE WEST, THE TECO CREEK, THAT'S, THAT'S RPD, THAT'S MEDIUM DENSITY AS YOU MOVE UP TOWARDS READER'S BRANCH IN THAT AREA.
SO THE JASON PROPERTIES IS THE SAME DESIGNATION, UM, THE HAMLET, WHICH IS TO THE SOUTH AND, UH, THINKING OF, BUT AS YOU MOVE FURTHER AWAY, IT CHANGES, SWITCHES TO A MEDIUM DENSITY, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A HIGHER DENSITY.
[00:40:03]
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I'M JENNIFER MULLEN WITH ROTH JACKSON HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT WITH ME TONIGHT, I HAVE SCOTT GAZER AND JEFF KORNBLUH, AS WELL AS OUR ENGINEERS AND OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AS WELL AS STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
I'M GONNA GET MY BEARINGS HERE.
UM, AS NOTED, THE PROPERTY IS FOUR PARCELS TOTALING JUST OVER 65 ACRES AND IS PROPOSED FOR REZONING FROM EIGHT, EIGHT, EIGHT TWO TO RPU D IT IS LOCATED ON HOCKET ROAD, WHICH IS A MAJOR COLLECTOR ROAD.
IT IS JUST NORTH OF HERMITAGE, HAMLET.
SO THERE, AND THIS IS KEN LOCKE HERE.
SO JUST TO ANSWER MR. ROCCO CHARLIE'S QUESTION, THE ORANGE IS RPU D UM, IT IS, UH, IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE COUNTY PROPERTY, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET, THIS IS THE PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT, UH, MR. COLEMAN NOTED.
NOW IT IS WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, WITHIN THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA, UH, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY, LOW DENSITY AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA.
NOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBVIOUSLY IS A GUIDE, WHICH WE KNOW WHICH HAS EIGHT CHAPTERS.
IT IS ALL THOSE CHAPTERS ARE CONNECTED TO THE OTHER EQUALLY RELEVANT AND DESIGNATED TO SHAPE THE VISION OF THE COUNTY FOR THE FUTURE PLAN, FOR THAT GROWTH AND ESTABLISH A MEANS TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN.
CHAPTER ONE IS THE INTRODUCTION CHAPTER TWO RELATES TO THE LAND USE AS MR. COLEMAN NOTED, THE PARCELS ARE COMPRISED OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
I WOULD NOTE AT THE SAME TIME THAT IT IS WITHIN THIS DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA, WHICH IS THE MAP THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN, AND THIS IS ALLOWING FOR THE COUNTY TO KEEP THE 85% RURAL.
SO THE 15% AND THE EASTERN FOR THE GROWTH AND KEEPING 85% RURAL WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTY.
AND THIS PROPERTY IS PARTICULARLY IN A GOOD LOCATION BEING ACROSS THE STREET FROM PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY, AS WELL AS TO THE EAST OF THAT WEST CREEK, FOCUSING ON THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS PRIME, WITHIN THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA TO IMPLEMENT THE RURAL STRATEGIES CHAPTER OF THE PLAN, WHICH LEAVES FIVE PARCELS ON THE WEST SIDE OF HOCKET ROAD, WHICH ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE YELLOW AS THE KNUCKLES FAMILY, TWO ARE OWNED BY THE GAZE OR FAMILY ONE BY THE ADAMSON'S AND ONE BY THE VINSONS, WHICH ARE TO THE REAR OF OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
MY IT'S NOT WORKING, BUT YOU CAN SEE THOSE IN THE YELLOW AND A DEVELOPMENT THAT IMPROVES HOCKET ROAD WITH THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION THIS PROFFERED TO IMPLEMENT THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTERS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IN ADDITION TO THE FULL CASH PROFFER, WHICH WAS JUST PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AT 98, $9,810 A LOT.
AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS MODEL, WHICH ARE AT THE SAME INTERSECTIONS THAT WERE JUST IDENTIFIED AS HAVING A REDUCED LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE REQUESTED TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
THE PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY WITHIN THAT DISTRICT ARE IDENTIFIED IN YELLOW ON THE PLAT THAT'S BEFORE YOU, WE ARE ALSO BRINGING PUBLIC WATER SOUTH ON HOCKET ROAD, ABOUT 4,000 FEET.
THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM.
IT'S NOT ONLY CONSISTENT WITH THE PUBLIC UTILITIES CHAPTER OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT IS ALSO ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE COUNTY CIP.
AND THIS IS A SECTION THAT THE COUNTY WILL NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM OUR SURVEY, WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING CEMETERY LOCATED ON THE SITE HERE, WHICH WILL BE PRESERVED IN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS PARKING ACCESS, AS WELL AS PARKING TO THE ACCESS.
THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SHOWN HERE AS RENDERED, AND YOU CAN SEE THE CEMETERY IN THE IS CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTERS THREE THROUGH SEVEN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WITH CHAPTER TWO, BASED ON THE HIGH QUALITY NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON KEY FEATURES OF THE PLAN, WHICH ARE SHOWN, AND WE'VE IMPROVED BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS WITH NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS STAFF.
SO THESE INCLUDE THE BUFFERS SPECIFICALLY THAT MR. COLEMAN MENTIONED, AND I WILL JUST EXPAND ON THOSE A BIT.
SO HERE YOU HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER ON HOCKET ROAD,
[00:45:01]
AND NOT ONLY IS THAT A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER, BUT WE HAVE MATURE HARDWOOD TREES, AND WE ARE REQUIRED BY THE PROFFER TO MAINTAIN THOSE BUFFERS WITH THE VEGETATION ONLY BEING REMOVED FOR OUR STORMWATER POND AND OUR ENTRANCE ROADS, GO BACK TO THAT.UM, AND IF THE TREES ARE DEAD, THEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND REPLACE THOSE IN KIND WITH TREES THAT ARE A MINIMUM OF SIX FOOT HEIGHT.
AT THE TIME OF PLANTING, WE HAVE ALSO INCREASED THE BUFFERS ALONG THE PERIMETER.
SO YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE PERIMETER, AS YOU GO ALONG THE SOUTH, YOU HAVE A MINIMUM OF A 50 FOOT BUFFER, BUT THESE ICTS, THESE EXPAND SUBSTANTIALLY AS YOU GO ALONG THE CURVES OF THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU CAN COME ALL ALONG HERE AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER 50 FOOT, AGAIN, EXPANDING THAT BUFFER 50 FEET EXPANDING THE BUFFER.
THESE TWO SECTIONS ARE THE ONLY AREAS HERE AND HERE WHERE YOU HAVE THE MINIMUM OF 35 FOOT BUFFER.
AND THIS IS THE 87 ACRES OF THE COUNTY PROPERTY THAT IS, UH, DESIGNATED AS OPEN SPACE.
YOU HAVE ANOTHER 50 FOOT BUFFER HERE, AND THEN THESE EXTEND, THIS IS 180 FEET.
SO THEY EXPAND GREATLY AS YOU GO AROUND THE PROPERTY.
IN ADDITION, THE PROFFERS THAT WERE NOTED BEFORE WE HAVE FENCING ALONG THIS BOUNDARY LINE OF THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE BOUNDARY LINE HERE WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE EXPANDED BUFFER, THESE LOTS ARE A MINIMUM OF 70 FEET.
THEY ARE TUCKED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU STILL MAINTAIN THE RURAL FEEL OF THE, OF HOCKET AS YOU COME IN OFF THE ROAD WITH THE MATURE HARDWOODS THAT ARE MAINTAINED.
AND THEN ALSO AS YOU COME IN THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE IDEA IS TO USE THE LANDSCAPING AS WELL AS OUR AMENITIES WITH THE OPEN SPACE AREA HERE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE.
SO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL STREET TREES THAT ARE BEING PLANTED AS WELL AS THE YELLOW REPRESENTS THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE PROFFERED, THAT TIE INTO THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT IS PROFFERED, THAT PROVIDE APPROXIMATELY A TWO MILE LOOP THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS OPEN SPACE PLAN REPRESENTS AN EXCESS THAT IS REQUIRED UNDER THE RPD REGULATIONS.
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 30% OPEN SPACE, WHICH EXCLUDES THE BUFFERS IN THE RIGHT OF WAYS.
PLUS WHEN YOU INCLUDE AND LOOK AT THIS PLAN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, WE HAVE THE WALKING TRAILS AS THE AMENITIES.
WE ALSO WILL BE USING THE STORMWATER POND HERE AS AN AMENITY, SO THAT WE'LL HAVE A FOUNTAIN, UM, NOT ONLY FOR AERATION, BUT YOU'LL HAVE A GAZEBO ADJACENT TO IT, AS WELL AS A SEATING AREA AND PATIO AREA FOR THE RESIDENTS TO USE.
THESE WILL BE HIGH QUALITY HOMES WITH REPRESENTATIVE ELEVATIONS.
YOU CAN SEE THE GAZEBO FEATURES AND THE PATIO FEATURES HERE ARE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE ELEVATIONS WITH THE HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS RANGING IN SIZE, UM, WITH A PRICE POINT STARTING AROUND 500 TO $600,000, ALL CREATING A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BENEFICIAL TO THE NEIGHBORS AND TO THE COUNTY.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE SOME TIME FOR REBUTTAL, IF THAT'S NECESSARY AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
INTERIOR GREEN, THAT'S NATURAL WOODLINE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE.
THAT IS NATURAL WOODLAND, THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO LEAVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THE GRADING THAT WE'LL BE DOING IS ON THE LOTS.
SO WE WILL SPECIFICALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE PERIMETER BUFFERS ARE, WE NEED TO COME IN AND PUT IN THE TRAIL SYSTEM.
SO WE'LL NEED TO CLEAR FOR THE, FOR THAT TRAIL SYSTEM, SORRY FOR THAT.
SO WE NEED TO CLEAR WITHIN THE TRAIL SYSTEM, BUT WE HAVE GREAT NATURAL HARDWOOD TREES.
THAT WE'RE, THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE STUFF DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN.
NOW I CAN GO IN AND BULLDOZE THE ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY PLANT ONE TREE.
AND SO WE HAVE PROFFERED, UM, I KNOW THAT THAT MR. COLEMAN NOTED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE SOME MORE CLARIFICATION WITH RESPECT TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, THE BUFFERS AS WELL AS SUPPLEMENTAL PLANNINGS.
UM, AND WE WOULD BE PROVIDING THAT AT THE TIME OF PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH THE PROFITS AND YOU ALL GONNA MAINTAIN THE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER OFF OF HER.
AND WE HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL PROFFERS TO ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD WITH RESPECT TO POTENTIAL FOR, UM, FOR TREES DYING OR ARE BEING CLEARED AND NOT BEING THE SIZE THAT IS EXPECTED BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS ONE DEVELOPMENT THAT SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT.
SO WE HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE INTO OUR PROFFERS TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.
I NOTICED IN YOUR PROFFERS THAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED THE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION, BUT NOT THE DAYS.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, UM, IT IS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK CURRENTLY, AS IT IS, UM, PROFFERED.
[00:50:01]
WE ARE HAPPY TO ADD THAT SUNDAY CONDITION.AND ALSO, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THIS PROJECT WOULD TAKE TO COMPLETION ESTIMATE? I KNOW THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT IS ABOUT 18 MONTHS, TWO YEARS OR THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
THAT SHOULD LAST THEM BEFORE US AT ANYTHING.
JUST KEEP GOING AND MAKE THEM, MAKE THEM BUILD FAST.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS CONTINGENT UPON YOUR APPLICATION TOOL, ALL FOR THEM TO JOIN THE TCS.
AND WE HAVE MADE THAT APPLICATION.
THAT APPLICATION HAS A LONGER NOTICE PERIOD OF TIME.
SO IT, IT WILL, IT WILL BE AT THE SAME HEARING AS THE REZONING REQUEST.
WE NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PART OF OUR MEETING.
ANYONE WISHING TO COME FORWARD EITHER FOR OR AGAINST COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I'M AN ATTORNEY IN RICHMOND WITH CHRISTIAN AND MARTIN NINE OH ONE EAST CARY STREET.
UH, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MR AND MRS. RAJEL VINSON WHO AS THE PREVIOUS, UH, PRESENTATION SHOWED IS THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, AT THREE 71 OR THREE 75 SONGBIRD LANE, WHICH IS AT THE REAR AND IMMEDIATELY ABUTS THE REAR OF THE PROPOSED, UH, SUBDIVISION.
UH, MR. AND MRS. VINCENT OR OUT OF TOWN, I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO, OR INTENDING TO EITHER ZOOM IN OR CALL IN.
UM, MR. AND MRS. VINCENT HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 10 OR 12 YEARS.
THEY RAISED SOME ANIMALS, THEY'RE BUILDING A NEW HOUSE.
MR. VINCENT ALSO HAS A LANDSCAPING BUSINESS, UM, FULL, WHICH HE HAS HEAVY TRUCKS, UH, CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT GO BACK TO HIS PROPERTY.
UH, THE REASON I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THE, UH, APPLICATION IS AS PRESENTED IS BECAUSE HIS SOLE OR THEIR SOLE MEANS OF ACCESS, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, IS AN EASEMENT DEEDED EASEMENT, UH, WHICH GOES FROM HIS PROPERTY THROUGH THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AND THEN DOWN TO HOCKETT ROAD.
COULD WE GET THE MAP BACK UP? I DO HAVE, UH, I WASN'T ABLE TO, UH, YEAH, YEAH.
NOW I DO HAVE A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS WHERE HIS EASEMENT CURRENTLY RUNS, WHICH IS OVERLAYED OVER THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO OFFER THAT.
AND THAT'S A, THESE MINT IS SHOWN IN THAT PICTURE IN BLUE.
UH, THAT IS PARCEL 58 DASH EIGHT DASH TWO DAY C, I BELIEVE.
UH, SO MR. AND BUSINESS, VINCENT, THEY OBJECT TO THE PLAN TO THE EXTENT THAT IT INDICATES THAT THE EASEMENT THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IS TO BE VACATED, UH, WITH HIS HEAVY CON WITH HIS HEAVY VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, THE WAY THIS IS CONFIGURED.
NOW THIS EASEMENT BASICALLY IN A STRAIGHT LINE FROM HOCKET THAN ANOTHER STRAIGHT LINE TO HIS HOUSE, UH, WITH HIS COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, IT, UH, IS PRETTY CRITICAL TO HIS BUSINESS DO TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT ACCESS.
HE HAS NOT AGREED TO VACATE THAT EASE.
UM, THE, UH, THERE HAS BEEN, UH, I THINK AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION,
[00:55:02]
UH, ABOUT, AND I THINK IT WAS INDICATED ON THE FIRST PRESENTATION THAT THE EASEMENT COULD BE RELOCATED THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SUBDIVISION.WE NEED TO BRING IT TO A CLOSE WHERE YES, SIR.
UH, I WOULD REQUEST THE CHAIRMAN'S DISCRETION IF MR. VINSON IS ON THE LINE, IF HE WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING.
OKAY, MR. BENSON, WE'LL JUST GET A NEW TIME FOR MR. BENCH.
MS. BENSON OR MR. HENSON, YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF.
COULD I HAVE THE GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS KAMMOK OKAY.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS I'M JANE SCHROEDER.
MY ADDRESS IS THREE SIX FIVE HAMLET ROAD, AND, UH, PRACTICALLY SEE MY PROPERTY, UH, THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN THERE, WHERE IT SAYS HAMLET ROAD.
I'M A LITTLE BIT IN THE BOTTOM OF THAT.
UM, I AM THE, UM, HOMEOWNERS CHAIRPERSON FOR THAT ROAD HAMLET ROAD AS A PRIVATE ROAD.
IT HAS EIGHT HOMES ON IT, AND I HAD A MEETING THIS LAST WEEKEND, UH, INCLUDING ALL EIGHT HOMEOWNERS.
AND AT THE TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS PROPERTY AND WE HAVE DECIDED NOT TO OPPOSE THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE, THE, THE MAIN PART OF THE MEETING.
UH, ANOTHER THING IS THAT IS IMPACTED BY OUR, UH, HAMLET ROAD IS THAT THE SEWER LINE WILL BE GOING ACROSS A HAMLET ROAD, UM, FROM THE PROPERTIES ON THE, I WOULDN'T SAY, UH, SOUTH SOUTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY GOING ACROSS, UH, I WROTE IT WILL BE GOING UNDER OUR ROAD.
ACCORDING TO, UH, THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TOLD US THEY WILL PUT IT UNDER OUR ROAD.
UM, IT DOES CROSS, UH, THREE OF THE PROPERTIES AND THOSE, UH, HOMEOWNERS HAVE, UH, IT MADE AGREEMENTS WITH THE DEVELOPERS, UH, FOR COMPENSATION, FOR THE LOSS OF THEIR PROPERTY, UM, THAT THEY WILL LOSE, UM, TO THE, I GUESS, TO THE, TO THE COUNTY FOR A ONCE THAT THE SEWER LINE IS IN MY UNDERSTANDING.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT THOSE HOMEOWNERS, UH, HAD A SEPARATE AGREEMENT, BUT WE AS A GROUP THAT I DID AGREE, UH, TO NOT OPPOSE THIS REZONING.
I LIVE AT TWO, TWO SIX TWO WHELAN'S DRIVE MANNEQUIN SABOT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY HALF OF WHAT I HAD WRITTEN DOWN.
I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE STAFF REPORT AND THE SAY THAT THERE'S RPU D UH, LOCATED IN THE VICINITY OF, OF THIS PROPERTY.
THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF THE COMP PLAN, UH, TRY TO ADVOCATE FOR THE COMP PLAN THAT, UH, IT'S LOW DENSITY.
AND IF YOU LOOK, UH, READER'S BRANCH, WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IS IN THE SUBURBAN DISTRICT OR SUBURBAN LAND USE, WHICH HAS HIGH DENSITY.
SO THAT MEETS OR COMPLIES WITH THE COMP PLAN.
THEN YOU HAVE TUCKAHOE TUCKAHOE CREEK RPU D, WHICH IS THE CLOSEST TO THIS PROPERTY, MEDIUM DENSITY.
IF YOU TAKE THE ACREAGE AND A NUMBER OF LOTS AND MEATS AND COMPLIES WITH MEDIUM DENSITY,
[01:00:01]
YOU TAKE KEN LOCKE AND YOU LOOK AT THE RPU D THIS DESIGNATED MEDIUM DENSITY.IF YOU TAKE THE NUMBER OF LOTS ON THEIR WEBSITE AND THE ANCHORAGE ON THEIR WEBSITE, IT CALCULATES A 0.54, WHICH HAS ALMOST 0.50, WHICH IS LOW DENSITY.
SO THAT HUGE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CLOSER TO LOW DENSITY THAN IT IS TO MEDIUM DENSITY.
AND IT'S, IT'S A MEDIUM DENSITY IN THE COMP PLAN.
THE CURRENT RPU D IS IN COMPLIANCE.
THIS IS GOING TO GO TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS HIGH DENSITY, MORE LIKE SUBURBAN DENSITY.
THAT'S AT RAIDERS BRANCH, WHICH IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DESIGNATION IN THE COMP PLAN.
YES, IT'S IN THE GROWTH AREA, BUT IT'S CLEARLY SHOWN ON SEVERAL MAPS IN THE COMP PLAN AS MEDIUM DENSITY.
SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF, OF INCREASING THE DENSITY OUTSIDE OF COMP PLAN.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? I'M SUZANNE MACPHERSON.
I LIVE AT 32 80 GATHWRIGHT DRIVE.
UM, I'VE NOT BEEN TO A MEETING LIKE THIS.
I KNOW WE'RE USING WORDS LIKE THE LOW DENSITY, HIGH DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY.
MY SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR THESE, UM, PEOPLE REGARDING MEDIUM AND LOW IS, UM, I DO FEEL LIKE THEY SAID 1.9, NINE ACRES.
YOU MISUNDERSTOOD THAT PER HOUSE.
IT'S HALF ACRE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S ACTUALLY 0.3, FIVE ACRES BECAUSE WE TOOK AWAY 30% OF THAT 65 ACREAGE FOR TREES.
SO FOR 130 HOUSES, IT'S ACTUALLY 0.3, FIVE ACRES PER HOUSE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FITS IN YOUR LOW MEDIUM.
SO PLEASE TEACH ME, ARE YOU IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION? UM, I MEAN, I HAVE TO BE NEUTRAL.
I'M ASKING A QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T I'M HERE.
SO I JUST WANT TO ASK AND LEARN WHO ANSWERS THAT STAFF, WOULD YOU CARE TO MAKE A COMMENT? YEAH, WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE DOES HAVE LIKE THE, THE, THE, THE, LIKE THE MEDIUM DENSITY, UM, OR THE SUBURBAN DENSITY IS UP TO TWO AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE.
THAT'S USUALLY CORRESPONDS WITH LIKE RPD, THE LOW DENSITY.
UM, RECOMMENDATION IS AN AVERAGE OF TWO ACRE LOTS.
AND, UM, SO IT DOESN'T ALWAYS NECESSARILY EQUATE TO A NUMBER OR A DENSITY.
IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S AVERAGE LOT SIZE, SOMETIMES THE DENSITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SUBURBAN, IT'S STILL RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S GOING TO BE MORE IN SPREAKER.
THE LOW DENSITY IS STILL A RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S JUST FEW UNITS BREAKER, IF THAT HELPS SORT OF A GENERAL DISCOUNT.
ANYONE ELSE? UM, MY NAME IS NANCY.
I'M A SYNDROME AND I AM A RESIDENT AT 102 BIRCH CIRCLE IN MANNEQUIN FARMS. AND I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THE APPLICATION.
UM, I'M JUST TALKING, UM, AS A GENERAL CITIZEN, AS A RESIDENT OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY, I DON'T HAVE ROAD STUDIES OR WATER STUDIES OR ANYTHING TO BACK ME UP, BUT I JUST KNOW WHAT WE HAVE MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE SEEN SINCE WE'VE BEEN LIVING IN OUR, IN OUR HOME IN GROUPS, LAND COUNTY, WE CAME OUT HERE BECAUSE OF THE COUNTRY FEELING AND TO GET AWAY FROM THE CITY.
CAUSE I WAS, I WAS WORKING IN THE CITY OF RICHMOND AND WE WOULD DRIVE DOWN HOCKET ROAD AND IT WAS JUST LOVELY.
HE WAS FULL OF WOODS AND WE WOULD GO TO OUR HOME AND IT WAS JUST THIS WONDERFUL TRANSITION FROM THE CITY TO PRACTICALLY THE COUNTRY.
AND, UM, THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE SEEN ALONG HAWKER ROAD, I'D BEEN REALLY UNHAPPY WITH WHAT I'VE SEEN, ALL THE TRAFFIC, THE SPEEDING, UM, PEOPLE WHO USED TO BIKE ON HOCKETT ROAD CANNOT GO BIKING THERE ANYMORE.
UM, AND I DON'T SEE THE OPEN SPACES, THE GREEN SPACES THAT WERE PROMISED TO US, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE PARKS AND ALL OF THIS, ALL THE STUFF, THE, THE, JUST ALL THE GREEN HAS DISAPPEARED.
[01:05:01]
OF PEOPLE ARE VERY, VERY UNHAPPY ABOUT THAT.THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS ON NEXT DOOR ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, WE DID, I DID NOT OPT TO LIVE IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THE HAVE TAKEN THIS DECISION OUT OF OUR HANDS IN TERMS OF WHAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT WE LIVE IN.
AND THE QUALITY OF OUR LIFE IS DEFINITELY NOT AS GOOD AS IT WAS WHEN WE FIRST CAME HERE.
SO I AM HERE TO OPPOSE AND I'M SPEAKING FOR MANY OTHER PEOPLE, TOO.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ON JAKE? LET ME SEE IF I CAN, UM, HELLO, MARTA VINSON.
YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF AND SPEAK PRESENT, RIGHT? OKAY.
LINDA MOORE, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO UNMUTE AND SPEAK? UH, YES.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR US NOW? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU.
UH, I'M THE PERSON THAT LEAVES IN THE END, THE END OF SONGBIRD.
AND, UH, AS OUR LAWYERS SAY, UM, WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT GOING IN AND OUT.
UH, SINCE THE ROAD WILL DO A LOT, A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY AND, UH, YES, WE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS.
I DID MATT SCOTT TWO OR THREE TIMES, ACTUALLY THREE TIMES.
UM, AFTER THE FIRST MEETING I CALLED MS. JENNIFER, UM, THE LAWYER SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO CALL ME BACK OR GET WITH ME, NEVER HAPPENED.
AND, UM, I MEAN, WE ARE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND SEE WHAT WILL BE BEST.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE TOUGH, BUT IT'S JUST, UM, IT DOESN'T SEEMS TO BE FAIR.
DOESN'T SEEMS TO BE GOOD TO AS THE OTHER NEIGHBOR SAY, THANK YOU.
THAT I LOVE, UM, MS. MORA, YOU CAN UNMUTE.
ANYONE ELSE WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE YOUR CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO REBUT? YES, SIR.
I'LL BE, I'LL BE BRIEF AGAIN, JENNIFER MULLIN WITH ROTH JACKSON ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THE ACCESS EASEMENT, UM, QUESTION.
SO NOT JUST PULL UP THE SURVEY QUICKLY, JUST SO YOU ALL CAN SEE THAT.
SO MR. VINCENT'S PROPERTY IS BACK HERE AND I GUESS AS JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UM, UH, MY CLIENT DID ENGAGE WITH MR. VINCENT MULTIPLE TIMES.
I AM AN ATTORNEY AND UNDERSTOOD THAT HE WAS HIRING AN ATTORNEY.
SO IF HE IS REPRESENTED, I CANNOT CONTACT HIM WITHOUT, UM, GOING THROUGH HIS ATTORNEY JUST AS A MATTER OF BAR RULES.
SO I AM HAPPY TO MEET WITH HIS ATTORNEY NOW THAT I KNOW WHO HE IS, AND WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THIS, BUT I WOULD NOTE THAT AS A 20 FOOT NON-EXCLUSIVE ACCESS EASEMENT ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY.
SO I'M UNSURE OF THE, IT SOUNDS AS IF THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT HE'S KEEPING BACK THERE IS, IS MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN, THAN WHAT A HAD, UM, ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED.
SO, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU DO, HE DOES HAVE A ADDITIONAL ENCROACHMENTS THAT HE HAS, UM, PUT ON MULTIPLE SIDES OF THE PROPERTY IN ADDITION TO THE EASEMENT ITSELF.
SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT EXPANSION OF THAT EASEMENT, UM, FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY GRANTED, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE PROVIDING
[01:10:01]
TWO 50 FOOT RIGHT OF RIGHTS OF WAY THAT OUR PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.SO I ASSUME THAT HE IS ABLE TO USE HIS VEHICLES ON THE PUBLIC STREETS.
AND SO THAT WAS THE, THE REASON FOR, UM, ADDING HIM IN WE'RE MAINTAINING HIS ENCROACHMENT AREA HERE.
UM, AND THE ROAD NETWORK HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, HIS VEHICLES AS THEY ARE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.
UM, AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, UM, WITH THE OVERARCHING DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS WITHIN THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA.
SO THIS IS WHERE CHANGE IS TO OCCUR.
AND AS I ENUMERATED, WE ARE COMPATIBLE WITH CHAPTERS THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, AND I WOULD ARGUE ALSO WITH CHAPTER TWO, BASED ON THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA AND BRINGING IN THE WATER AND SEWER THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR, UM, THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY, ALSO HELPING TO PROMOTE THE PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA ACROSS THE STREET.
WHEN YOU HAVE BUSINESSES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
SO I THINK ADDITIONALLY WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, AS MS. SCHROEDER, UM, POINTED OUT, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEIR ASSOCIATION IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.
THEY DO NOT OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE WORKED ON DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL ULTIMATELY HELP ISSUES THAT THEY'RE HAVING WITH STORMWATER ALREADY.
UM, IN ADDITION TO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, WE'RE MAINTAINING THEIR ROAD AS BEING OPEN DURING THE, THE SEWER LINE CONSTRUCTION.
SO ALL OF THAT, I WOULD, AGAIN, RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
I'M HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT MAY HAVE COME UP THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ANY QUESTIONS NO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ISA WHAT'S YOUR SHOWING RED IS WHAT HE IS A ROAD IT'S THERE NOW.
RIGHT? I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF HIS, SO IT'S A DRIVEWAY.
SO THIS IS THE 20 FOOT EASEMENT.
WHAT HE DOESN'T SHOW IS THE ENCROACHMENT AREA.
SO HE, HE JUST SHOWS THE RED, HERE'S THE ENCOURAGEMENT AREA HERE AND HERE AGAIN.
THAT'S A NONEXCLUSIVE EASEMENT.
UM, UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, THERE ARE PROVISIONS WITH RESPECT TO RELOCATING IT.
WE WOULD LOVE TO JUST WORK WITH THEM, UM, FOR THE 50 FOOT WHO IS 50 FEET WIDE.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT HIS CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES GO, GO UP AND DOWN THROUGH THE SELF-DEVELOPMENT? YES, SIR.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A HOME BUSINESS.
SO I THINK THE, THE WORLD OF CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES IS ACTUALLY LIMITED.
UM, THERE'S NOT A CUP FOR, UH, A LANDSCAPING BUSINESS.
HE IS ABLE TO HAVE THE HOME BUSINESS.
SO WE'RE TAKING A 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY THAT HE IS ABLE TO USE HIS VEHICLES ON NOW AND TURNING THAT INTO A 50 FOOT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND SO HE WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER THE SPECIFIC BUSINESS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT HE HAS A LANDSCAPING.
MY POINT IS I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T THINK THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD WANT A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE RESIDENTIAL ROADS THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTENANCE.
SO THE, THE ROADS WILL ULTIMATELY BE PUBLIC.
UM, AND THE HOME BUSINESS OF A LANDSCAPING, I THINK LOTS OF HOMEOWNERS HAVE LANDSCAPING SERVICES THAT COME TO THEIR HOUSES.
UM, CURRENTLY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT ARE USING THE PUBLIC ROAD NETWORK, WE WOULD HAVE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD IDENTIFY THAT WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT CURRENTLY HAS A HOME BUSINESS FOR A LANDSCAPING BUSINESS, AND WE CAN GET AS TECHNICAL AS WE NEED TO.
AND THOSE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, AND THOSE ARE DESIGNED AS, AS CONSUMER PROTECTION.
SO THOSE ARE DESIGNED TO PUT THE HOMEOWNERS ON NOTICE THAT THERE IS A NEIGHBOR THAT HAS THAT BUSINESS, NO ACCESS FOR HIM OTHER THAN THROUGH THE SELF-DEVELOPMENT CORRECT.
JUST AS THERE'S NO ACCESS FOR THEM OTHER THAN THE 20 FOOT NON-EXCLUSIVE EASEMENT CURRENTLY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY DRAWN UP MULTIPLE DESIGNS WHEN MR. GAZER MET WITH HIM PREVIOUSLY ON, ON RECONFIGURING THINGS TO, TO, TO, TO MAKE THE ROAD NETWORK FEEL BETTER FOR HIM.
UM, AND SO THIS ROAD NETWORK IS ONE THAT OUR ENGINEERS HAVE LOOKED AT WITH RESPECT TO THE VEHICLES THAT SERVE HIS PROPERTY, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTINUE THE CONFERENCE.
SO IT'S 20 FEET NOW GOING THROUGH THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY TO GET TO HIS PARCEL.
AND AT THE END IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME SORT OF ROUNDABOUT OR ENCROACHMENT OF THAT, THAT EASEMENT NOW.
AND THEY DID IMPROVE THE 20 FOOT EASEMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THAT IT IS STILL 20 FEET, BUT YES, WE WOULD BE PERMITTING THE ROUNDABOUT IMPROVEMENT THAT THEY'VE CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE PURCHASING.
UM, IN ADDITION TO CONNECTING THEM TO THE PUBLIC ROAD,
[01:15:02]
THE, THE, WHEN W IF THIS WAS DEVELOPED, THE BUYERS OF THESE HOMES WOULD BE MADE AWARE THAT THERE IS A, AN AGRICULTURAL TYPE APP OPERATION OPERATING BEHIND THEM THAT WILL COME OUT THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION.AND WE'LL HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME OUT THROUGH THIS ABLATION.
WOULD THIS PROPERTY ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO THE T S C D WHEN THAT'S APPROVED? UM, AND WE WOULD HAVE THE SEWER STUBBED WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT, SO IT WOULD BE MUCH CLOSER FOR THEM TO CONNECT TO, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE WRONG CHOICE, CORRECT? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, GENTLEMEN.
JUST A REMINDER THAT THE VOTE ON WHETHER TO CONSIDER THE REVISED PROPERS IN FRONT OF YOU FIRST, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT, OR, UH, THE PROPERS AND THE TIMELINE, UM, THAT WHEN WAVE THE TIMELINE OF SUBMISSION, UH, AS PRESENTED ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, UH, UH, I'LL ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
UH, ALL THE POSTS I SAID, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S TOO MUCH JUST A MOTION ON THE PROPERS, RIGHT? OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FOR THE APPLICANT THOUGH.
OKAY, GENTLEMEN, JUST ONE MORE REMINDER, THE APPLICANT DID OFFER THE SUNDAE RESTRICTION.
IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT WHERE THE, WHERE THE MRS. JACKSON, WHERE THE SUNDAY RESTRICTIONS, NOT IN THE PROPER AMENDMENT ATTACHMENT.
SO THE AMENDMENT WAS ONLY FOR SEVEN TO SEVEN, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO FURTHER AMEND THAT TO INCLUDE THE SUNDAY.
SO THAT'S PROFFER 17, THE VERY LAST PROPER ON THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO MAKE A NEW MOTION, INCLUDING THAT IN THE PROFFER AMENDMENT, SO THAT THEY'RE SEPARATE OR NOW IT CAN BE WITH THE, YOUR, YOUR NEXT MOTION.
YOU'VE MADE A MOTION TO ACCEPT IT AS PRESENTED WITH SUNDAY.
IT'S BEEN MOTIONED AND PROPERLY SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS IN DISTRICT THREE R Z 2021 ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO SIX.
[4. District 3 - RZ-2021-00006 - Application by Yellowstone Communities, LLC]
COMMUNITIES, LLC, REQUESTING A REZONING OF 265.612 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TO, TO RESIDENTIAL GENERAL ARE THREE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS AT SCOTT ROAD, RURAL HILL LANE, CEDAR POINT ROAD AND GATHWRIGHT DRIVE ON TAX MAP NUMBER 42 ONE ZERO 14, ZERO 42 SEVEN ZERO B ONE 42 SEVEN ZERO ZERO 42 SEVEN ZERO ZERO 42 SEVEN ZERO D ZERO 42 SEVEN ZERO EIGHT ZERO 42 SEVEN ZERO B TWO AND 42 ONE ZERO 59 EIGHT TWO.THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY.
IT'S BARKER AGAIN, TOP CORNER PRINCIPAL PLANNER, AS MS. PARKER SAID, THIS IS OKAY BETTER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS THAT OR WHETHER IT WAS IN THE BACK BETTER.
UM, AS MS. PARKER SAID, THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE 265 ACRES TO AN R THREE ZONING TO ALLOW UP TO A 190 LOT SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS CENTRALLY LOCATED IN THE COUNTY AND THE GUCCI COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURALLY AND PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH, UH, GENERALLY SHARE THAT ZONING.
UH, THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL ZONING,
[01:20:01]
UH, TO THE EAST, SO SHADED WITH THE VENICE HEIGHTS AND THE REED MARSH SUBDIVISIONS.AND LOOK AT THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN.
THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN DOES RECOMMEND THE PROPERTY FOR SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, LOW DENSITY, AND AGAIN, PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH GENERALLY SHARE THAT I WILL NOTE THE JAMES RIVER FROM FORMS, THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THERE ALSO IS A PUBLIC COUNTY OWN INSTITUTIONAL, UM, DESIGNATION, UH, THAT ABUTS THE PROPERTY, THE SOUTH THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE, THE CORRECTIONAL FACILITY.
I, THEIR PHOTO SORT OF SHOWS THAT THE SITE IS SUBSTANTIALLY UNDEVELOPED WITH LARGE AIR TREAT AREAS AND PASS YOUR AREAS.
UM, AND TYPICALLY TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH, UM, IT SORT OF, UH, REFLECTS UNDEVELOPED AND ON A RURAL RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND A LONG PASSION AVENUE, MORE TOWARDS THE HEART OF THE VILLAGE.
UM, THERE'S A, UH, MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A SUBLINGUAL PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, AS I SAID, THEY ARE PROPOSING UP TO 190 LOTS OF DIVISION.
UH, THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION WOULD BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER.
AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE JAMES RIVER FORMS THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THERE, UH, THERE ARE STEEP GRADES THAT ASSOCIATED WITH CREEKS AND DRAINS WAYS THAT LEAD TOWARDS THE RIVER.
UM, AND DUE TO THAT, THERE'S THE TOPOGRAPHY LIMITATIONS.
ONLY PART OF THE SITE WILL BE PUMPED PUBLIC SEWER.
SO THE ROUGHLY WESTERN HALF OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE SERVED BY, UM, PRIVATE, PRIVATE SEWER.
UM, THIS MAPPER HERE HAS THE DASH LINE THAT SHOWS THE AREA THAT WOULD BE SERVED BY PUBLIC SEWER, WHICH IS GENERALLY THE EASTERN HALF OF THE PROPERTY, EASTERN LOTS IN THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'LL ALL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER.
WESTERN PART WE'LL HAVE PRIVATE TOUR.
HOUSTON PARK WILL HAVE PUBLIC SERUM.
UH, THEY ARE REQUESTING THE R THREE DISTRICT, UH, THAT DOES REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF 20% OPEN SPACE.
THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWS ABOUT 59 ACRES, ABOUT 22%, UM, IN THE AREAS SERVED BY WATER AND SEWER.
THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS A 20,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE, AND FOUR LOTS THAT ARE ONLY SERVED BY ONE UTILITY.
THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS ONE ACRE AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION MATTERS WITH THIS PROPERTY.
UM, IT DOES INCLUDE FRONTAGE ON A NUMBER OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ROADS, UH, THAT INCLUDES MARSH, UH, REED MARSH LANE, SCOTT ROAD, CEDAR POINT ROAD GATHWRIGHT DRIVE, WHICH ARE PUBLIC ROADS AND RURAL HILL LANE AND RIVER VALLEY LANE, WHICH IS A PRIVATE ROAD, UM, READ MARSHALL LANE AS A PART OF REED, MAR SUBDIVISION THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE A NEW SUBSTRATE DIVISION STREET CONNECTION, UH, THAT WOULD MEET THE CURRENT V DOT STANDARDS WITH REGARDS TO ACCESS.
AND IT WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.
UM, SCOTT ROAD, CEDAR POINT ROAD AND GATHWRIGHT ROADS ARE SORT OF OLDER, UM, UH, SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE MINIMAL PAVEMENT WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, SCOTT ROAD IS TYPICALLY ABOUT TO 18 FEET, UH, WHICH IS NOT, WOULD BE WITH, IT'S NOT WHAT THE CURRENT STANDARD WOULD BE.
THE, THE STANDARD THAT REED MARSH HAS TO MEET WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THEIR SUBDIVISION.
UM, THEY WOULD HAVE ONE LOT TO, WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO CEDAR POINT, RIGHT? UH, RURAL HILL AND RIVER VALLEY LANES ARE PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENTS THAT YOUR FIRST PORTIONS OF THE SITE AND PROVIDE, UH, ACCESS TO ABOUT 13 OTHER RESIDENCES IN PROPERTY.
UM, RURAL HILL LANE WOULD BE RECONFIGURED TO BE PART OF AN IMPROVED SUBDIVISION STREET, NO COMPARABLE TO THE CASE WE SAW EARLIER.
UM, BEAR VALLEY LANE WOULD REMAIN SUBSTANTIALLY UNCHANGED REMAINED IN ITS CURRENT STATE, UH, AND IT WOULD BE CONNECTED TO THE NEW SUBDIVISION ROADWAY.
THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, BUT THEIR APPLICATION.
UM, IT DID NOTE THAT CURRENTLY, UM, RIVER VERY WEST AT DIXON ROAD, UH, THE, DURING THE PM, THERE'S AN UNACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE THERE.
AND THAT WOULD GENERALLY BE PEOPLE LEAVING DICKINSON ROAD, TRYING TO, UH, GET TURN LEFT ON TO, OR, OR GET ONTO RIVER ROAD WEST.
AS A RESULT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS NOTED A NUMBER OF DECLINES AND TURNING MOVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED OR DECLINE IN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
UM, SEVERAL OF THESE WOULD BE AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AT RIVER ROAD, WEST AND SANDY HOOK ROAD, UM, THROUGH REED MARSHALL LANE, UM, AND ALSO AT THE ENTRANCE TO RIVER WEST SCOTT ROAD FOR LEVEL OF SERVICE, THEY WOULD ALSO BE IMPACTED.
SO THERE'S THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THOSE INTERSECTIONS WOULD BOTH BE LOWERED, UM, WITH A FULL BUILD-OUT AS PROPOSED ONE THING, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS NOTED THAT BASED ON V DOT STANDARDS WITH THE PROJECTED TRAFFIC VOLUMES, IT WOULD WARRANT A LEFT TURN LANE AND A SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE ON A ROAD WEST.
AND DURING THE END TURNING TO THE SCOTT ROAD, UM, THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING,
[01:25:01]
UM, THOSE TURN LANES.UM, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING ROADS.
UH, THEY ARE PROVIDING THEIR CASH PROFFER AS DETERMINED BY THE CAPITAL IMPACTS MODEL.
AND THIS IS THE SUMMARY FROM THE CAPITOL IMPACTS MODEL THERE RELATES TO THEIR CASH PROFFER.
AND AGAIN, SORT OF A SUMMARY OF THE PROFITS THAT THEY'RE SUBMITTING.
UM, THEY'D HAVE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, A MAXIMUM OF 190 LOTS, UH, SIDEWALKS ON SELECTED ROADS, UM, NUMBER OF BUFFERS AND SELECTED AREAS, NEIGHBORED TRAILS, AND OTHER AMENITIES IN THE CASH PROFITS OFFSET THEIR CAPITAL IMPACTS AS IT RELATES TO THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN.
THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY RECOMMENDATION FOR AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF TWO ACRES OF THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE HERE IS ABOUT 1.09 ACRES.
UM, AS I MENTIONED WITH THE PUBLIC SEWER CAPACITY, UM, WHEN THE COMPETENT PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 2015, THERE WERE LIMITS AND RESTRAINTS ON THE SEWER CAPACITY, UH, THAT IMPACTED ALL DEVELOPED POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
UH, SINCE 2015, THE COUNTY, THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS DID INCREASE THE SEWER CAPACITY TO SERVE THE GUCCI COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AREA.
UM, READ MARKS WAS APPROVED IN 2019, UH, FOR UP TO 64 LOTS AND THEIR AVERAGE LOT SIZE WAS ABOUT 0.8, EIGHT ACRES.
UM, UTILITIES DID A COMMENT AND SAID THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT AREA IS LOCATED IN THE SERVICE AREA FOR THE GUCCI AND COURTHOUSE PUBLIC SEWER SYSTEM AND THEIR PROJECTED SEWER FLOWS FROM THESE PARCELS ARE INCLUDED IN THE UTILITY MASTER PLAN.
UH, THERE REMAIN A NUMBER OF CONCERNS AND POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION.
UM, THERE WERE SOME ITEMS THAT WERE ADDRESSED IN THE READ MARSH APPLICATION, WHICH THIS PROJECT WILL BE TYING INTO THAT THERE WERE NOT ADDRESSED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
THAT INCLUDES A COMMITMENT TO STREET TREES AND PROVIDING AN ENTRANCE FEATURE.
UM, WE NOTED THAT THERE WILL BE AN IMPACT TO TRAFFIC ON THE PUBLIC ROADS, ESPECIALLY SCOTT ROAD, BUT THERE ARE NO IMPROVEMENTS, UM, PROVIDED TO PUBLIC ROADS.
UM, THERE IS NO RESTRICTION OF CONSTRUCTION TRUCK TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD.
UM, TURN LANES, I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE IS A, THE ANALYSIS INDICATED THAT THERE ARE TURN LANES THAT ARE WARRANTED AND THERE'S NO COMMITMENT TO REVIVE THOSE.
THE, UH, THE RELOCATION AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE ACCESS EASEMENT FOR RURAL HILL LANE WILL IMPACT, UH, BUDDING PROPERTY OWNERS WHO UTILIZE THAT ACCESS.
UM, THEY WERE SHOWING AT LEAST ONE FLAG LOT, UM, AS PROPOSED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, TO RECEIVE APPROVAL, TO, TO BUILD ANY FLAG LOTS.
UM, IT HELPED TO HAVE A SEPARATE LANDSCAPE PLAN SUBMITTED DURING PD TO REVIEW LANDSCAPING, UM, AND THEIR OPEN SPACE AND BUFFER AREAS.
UM, DO YOU FEEL THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT RETAINING TREES OR PLANTING TREES AND OPEN SPACE AND BUFFER AREAS AND PROVIDING ADDITIONAL TREE BUFFERS OR TREE SAFE AREAS, YOU KNOW, OVERALL IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, THEY DID PROVIDE THE LOCATIONS TO TRAILS AND THEY COMMITTED THE SIDEWALKS, BUT AS IT RELATES TO TRAILS, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO, UH, TO COMMIT TO MATERIALS.
UM, FOR THOSE TRAILS, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING IN APRIL, UM, SUPERVISOR MRS SPOONFLOWER AND MRS LUMPKINS AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, UM, MS, OR MR. MEYERS, AND APPROXIMATELY 1550 PEOPLE ATTENDED THAT MEETING.
UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED AT THAT MEETING AS THEY RELATE TO ROADS AND TRAFFIC AND INCLUDED, UH, SCOTT ROAD, THE WIDTH OF SCOTT ROAD, CURB CUTS, UM, THE S CITRA, THE SAFETY FOR THE TRAVELING PUBLIC AND INCREASED TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD AND THE REROUTING RIVERVIEW LANE, UH, THE DISTRIBUTION OF TRAFFIC AND THE TRAFFIC OVERALL TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND THE IMPACTS OF FAIRGROUND ROADS AND OTHER SURROUNDING NEARBY ROADS.
UM, OTHER MATTERS THAT WERE RAISED INCLUDED THE DENSITY, THE IMPACT OF SCHOOLS, UH, POTENTIAL FOR INTERNET SERVICE, OPEN SPACE AND BUFFERS, PROVIDING USABLE GREEN SPACE, UH, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, AND SEDIMENT PONDS AS PROPOSED ON THEIR ACCEPTABLE PLAN.
WHAT LENS, UH, RESTRICTION ON CONSTRUCTION HOURS, CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, UM, NOTIFICATION TO PROSPECTIVE RESIDENTS AND READ MARSH, UH, PROVISION OF PUBLIC WATER AND PUBLIC SEWER AND THE PHASING OF THE PROJECT.
IT WAS GETTING TO THE PROFFERS IN MORE DETAIL.
UM, THE FIRST WHO DOES COMMIT TO THE EXCEPTIONAL PLAN I SHOWED YOU EARLIER, UM, AS IT RELATES TO BUFFER REQUIREMENTS, I THINK THESE ARE SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT INCLUDES PROVIDING A 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG AREAS OF A GATHWRIGHT DRIVE.
ALSO PROVIDING A 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG A PORSCHE OF SCOTT ROAD, AND THERE C THEY ARE PROVIDING A 25 FOOT BUFFER AND WITH, UM, ADJACENT TO SELECTED LOTS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
[01:30:01]
THE DENSITY, THEY ARE, UM, LEMONADE TO 190 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS.THEY DID SUBMIT SOME ELEVATIONS, UM, AS A PART OF THEIR APPLICATION, UH, AS FAR AS THEIR AMENITIES, UH, THEY DID, UM, UH, COMMIT TO A 2000 SQUARE FOOT PAVILION, PEDESTRIAN TRAILS, AND A DOCKS AS SHOWN ON THEIR EXCEPTIONAL PLAN.
UH, THEY DID COMMIT TO LOCATING OR PROVIDING SIDEWALKS AS LIZ INDICATED ON THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
AND THE SEVENTH ONE JUST PROTECTS THE RIVER VALLEY LANE.
EIGHT IS A COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS NUMBER.
DON WOULD LIMIT THEIR, UH, CONSTRUCTION HOURS, UM, TO SEVEN TO 8:00 PM, 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, AND 10 IS THEIR COMMITMENT TO CASH PROFFERS THAT CAN CLEATS MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUICK.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE COME FORWARD? GOOD EVENING, ANDREW BROWNING WITH YELLA TYLER ASSOCIATES, UH, REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER YELLOWSTONE COMMUNITIES, UH, WITH ME TONIGHT, I HAVE, UH, A FELLOW ENGINEER WITH YOUNGBLOOD, TYLER, ADAM.
WE'RE ALSO THE DEVELOPERS, UH, MR. ADAM, GREG WAWA, UH, KYLE YEATMAN AND CHUCK CARLYLE, AS WELL AS, AS THE ATTORNEY, UH, CARY HUTCHERSON FROM RUDY COINER ASSOCIATES.
THIS ONE, JUST THE BIG BUTTON.
UH, THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE AERIAL PHOTOS FROM A DRONE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY BACK ON THE JAMES RIVER, UH, PICTURE ON THE RIGHT TO PICK, SELL THE TOWERS RESIDENTS.
HE'S GOT A POOL AND A TENNIS COURT AND THE, AND THE HOUSE, A COUPLE OF SLIDES ABOUT US.
I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
UH, WENT TO VIRGINIA TECH, GOT A BACHELOR'S OF ENGINEERING.
UM, OUR FARM IS IN MECHANICSVILLE.
I'VE WORKED ON SEVERAL COMMUNITIES RECENTLY IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, REED MARSH, UH, MOSAIC AT WEST CREEK, UH, CARVER OAKS DOWN OFF OF OIL VILLE, BUT ALSO WAS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL LARGE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY, UH, HANOVER COUNTY IN CHESTERFIELD.
I MEAN, IN, IN RYKO, UH, WITH ME IS ADAM WARNER, UH, GRADUATED VMI, A CIVIL ENGINEERING DEGREE.
HE'S A VICE PRESIDENT OF ENGINEERING AT YOUNGBLOOD TYLER.
UH, HE'S ALSO ASSISTED ME IN MOSAIC AND HE'S PROBABLY THE LEAD ENGINEER ON THAT PROJECT AND WORKED ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS AROUND THE GREATER RICHMOND AREA.
UM, MR. KYLE YEATMAN, UH, FROM THE NORTHERN NECK MANTRA AREA, GRADUATE OF LONGWOOD UNIVERSITY, UH, LIVED IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY FOR 15 YEARS, UH, IN HIGHLAND HILLS AND SOLD THOSE HOUSES.
UH, HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE EIGHT MEN GROUP WITH LONG AND FOSTER REAL ESTATE VICE-PRESIDENT ASSOCIATE MEMBER OF HOME MIDDLE ASSOCIATION, AND HAS WORKED IN SOLD IN NUMEROUS DEVELOPMENTS AROUND TOWN.
UH, ADAM, GREG WAWA, ALSO WITH YELLOWSTONE, UH, RESIDES IN CHESTERFIELD, GRADUATED ARIZONA STATE ENGINEERING DEGREE.
UH, HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF COVENANT BUILDING AND DESIGN A CUSTOM HOME BUILDER, UH, 2020 HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION BUILDER OF THE YEAR.
HE'S ALSO ON THE BOARD OF THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT HE IS BUILDING ON CURRENTLY AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN ALSO CHUCK CARLYLE, UH, WITH YELLOWSTONE COMMUNITIES, UH, PROJECT MANAGER THERE, UH, RESIDES IN POWELL, TAN COUNTY, UH, CLEMSON GRADUATE IN FORESTRY AND LAND MANAGEMENT.
HE'S THE, UH, FORMER SALES AND MARKETING MANAGER OF LIFESTYLE HOME BUILDERS, AND THEIR LIST IS MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT HE'S CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN AS WELL.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, AN AERIAL SHOT.
I THINK YOU'VE SEEN OF THE EXISTING SITE.
UH, IT'S UH, GOT A LOT OF OPEN AGRICULTURAL FIELDS.
IT BORDERS THE RIVER IS THE POINT, WHICH ONE IS THE POINT AT THE BOTTOM TOP ONE.
SO JUST TO ORIENT YOU AGAIN, HERE'S SCOTT ROAD, OBVIOUSLY JAMES RIVER, CEDAR POINT ROAD IS HERE, AND THIS IS GATHWRIGHT DRIVE AND REMARKED THAT YEAH.
UH, PROPERTY LOCATED AT 30 56 RULE LANE IN THE SCOTT ROAD, IT'S ASSEMBLED OF EIGHT SEPARATE PARCELS, UH, TOTALS, APPROXIMATELY 204 ACRES, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY AS FAR MITCHELL SCOTT ROAD, GATHWRIGHT DRIVE,
[01:35:01]
AND CEDAR POINT CURRENTLY RURAL HILL LANE AND RIVER VALLEY LANE.THE PRIVATE ROADS THAT MR. COLEMAN SPOKE ABOUT TRAVERSE THE PROPERTY, UM, ABOUT A HUNDRED ACRES OF THE SITE IS OPEN FIELD ABOUT 159 OF IT WOODED.
AND IT'S THREE SMALL PONDS ON THE SITE TO TOTAL ABOUT FIVE ACRES.
UH, THE SITE CONTAINS A TOWER FOR RESIDENTS TO POOL TENNIS COURT BARN, AND SOME OTHER OUTBUILDINGS, AND CURRENTLY ZONED 82.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAN, A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED, UH, AGAIN FOR REFERENCE SCOTT ROAD, CEDAR POINT READ MARSH AS THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAN SHOWING THE, UH, THE ARIEL OVERLAID.
UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A WALKABLE, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, ACTIVE LIFESTYLE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE PROPOSING R THREE ZONING, 190 LOTS, WHICH CORRESPONDS TO A DENSITY OF 0.72 UNITS, AN ACRE.
UH, THE SITE AMENITIES WILL INCLUDE WALKING TRAILS, RECREATION AREAS, UH, PAWN FOR FISHING, BOATING, A PAVILION, UH, THE EXISTING PONDS WILL BE CONVERTED TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASINS, AND THERE'LL BE CONVERTED TO A, AN AMENITY FOR THE SITE AS WELL.
APPROXIMATELY 59 ACRES OF THE SITE WILL BE OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS 20.2% OF THE SITE.
PRIMARY ACCESS WILL COME IN OFF OF REED MARSHALING THROUGH THE REMAR SUBDIVISION WITH THE SECONDARY ACCESS BEING SCOTT ROAD.
SINCE WE NEED TWO POINTS OF ACCESS, BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE THAN 50 LOTS, WE'RE PLANNING A, A MIXTURE OF CURB AND GUTTER AND DITCH SECTION ROADS.
UM, I'LL GO, I'LL GO TO THE, UH, PLAN IN A MINUTE AND KIND OF SHOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE IN THESE, UH, WE'RE PROS ON THE SIDEWALK CONNECTION TO READ MARSH AND AN INTERIOR SIDEWALK NETWORK.
WE PROPOSE AN INTERNAL TRAIL NETWORK TO CONNECT THE OPEN SPACES.
THE ENTIRE SITE WILL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER.
A PORTION OF THE SITE WILL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC SEWER.
UH, ALMOST ALL THE EXISTENCE DREAMS AND WETLANDS JURISDICTIONAL AREAS ON SITE WILL BE PRESERVED.
THE EXISTING PONDS WOULD BE REPURPOSED TO STORMWATER BASINS AS WELL AS I DON'T THINK I WANT TO GO BACK.
SO HAS REMARKED CON CURRENTLY HAS CURB AND GUTTER.
SO WE PLAN ON EXTENDING THE CURB AND GUTTER OUT OF REED MARSHALL, ALONG REED MARSH LANE EXTENSION.
THESE ARE THE SMALLER SEWER, LOTS THAT HAVE BOTH WATER AND SEWER.
SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE CURB AND GUTTER SECTION IN THAT AREA.
SO THIS ROAD WOULD HAVE CURB AND GUTTER.
THIS ROAD WOULD HAVE CURB AND GUTTER.
AND THEN WE GOT BACK TO THE MAIN ROAD.
WE TRANSITIONED TO A DITCH SECTION ALONG THE LARGER LOTS IN THE REAR AND SCOTT ROAD CURRENTLY HAS A DITCH SECTION.
WE PROPOSE A DITCH SECTION FROM THERE, WE'RE PROPOSING A SIDEWALK CONNECTION, UH, FROM REED MARSHALL PLAN EXTEND THAT SIDEWALK.
IF WE, TO THE PROFFERS, IT REFERENCES A BUNCH OF ROADS.
IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THIS PLAN, BUT THE PLAN IS TO GET A PEDESTRIAN LOOP THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'D EXTEND THE SIDEWALK FROM REED MARSH DOWN, WE'D GO UP THIS ROAD CONNECT.
YOU COULD CONNECT TO A, A WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING OF A PAVED TRAIL DOWN THROUGH THE COMMON AREAS BACK UP ACROSS TO THE SIDEWALK.
AND ALONG THIS ROAD DOWN A SITE, AND YOU COULD TO GET ON A TRAIL AROUND THE POND WHERE THE AMENITIES ARE, AND THEN GET ON A SIDEWALK AND CONNECT BACK THROUGH ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDEWALK HERE TO A TRAIL AND BACK THROUGH A LOOP ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SEE YOU ON THIS PLANET WHEN IT'S BLOWN UP, IT'S EASIER TO RECOGNIZE THESE ARE THE PROFFERS.
MR. COLEMAN WENT THROUGH THEM.
I'LL JUST BRIEFLY SKIM THROUGH THEM.
WE, WE, WE PROFFERED THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
WE PROFFER BUFFERS ALONG GATHWRIGHT DRIVE A 50 FOOT BUFFER THERE, WE PROFFERED A 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE EXISTING PORTION OF SCOTT ROAD.
AND WE ALSO PROF PROFFERED A 25 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE REAR OF, OF THESE PARTIALS, WHICH ARE THE, IS THE, UH, MS. JENKINS PROPERTY.
AND I'LL SHOW THOSE IN A SECOND.
UH, WE ALSO PROFITED DENSITY NO MORE THAN 190 SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS.
WE PROFFERED ELEVATIONS, UH, FOR QUALITY.
UH, ANY NEW SINGLE STORY HOMES SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM OF 1800 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA.
TWO STORY HOUSES, A MINIMUM OF 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
UH, WE PROFFERED AMENITIES, UH, RECREATIONAL AREAS, AT LEAST A 2000 SQUARE FOOT PAVILION TRAILS, AND A DOCK SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
WE PROFFERED FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK, A MINIMUM, AND ALL THESE ROAD NAMES THAT ARE A, B AND C THAT'S IN THE AREAS I WAS POINTING ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT'S SHOWN ON THERE THAT THAT'S WHERE THE SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS WOULD BE.
UH, WE PROFFERED TO KEEP RIVER VALLEY LANE AND LEAVING IT IS, AND IT'S IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION IN ITS CURRENT SPOT.
UH, WE PROFFERED PROTECTIVE COVENANTS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE PROFFERED HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, LIMIT THEM TO 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM,
[01:40:01]
MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, EXCEPT IF WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.UH, AND WE ALSO PROFFERED THE FULL CASH PROFFER OF $13,781 PER LOCK.
UH, THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE AMENITIES THROUGH THE SITE, THE WALKING TRAILS, PAVILION, RECREATION AREAS, PAWNS FISHING DOCK, HAMMOCK GARDEN, SOME REPRESENTATIVE PICTURES OF THAT.
I WANT TO GO BACK AND POINT OUT SOME OF THE AMENITIES ON THAT, ON THIS PLAN.
SO WE HAVE SHIFTED OUR AMENITIES UP TO THE FRONT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THERE'S A EXISTING POND HERE NOW, AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF DRYING UP TODAY, BUT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA REAP REPURPOSE THIS POND, RECREATE IT.
IT'S GOING TO BE A STORMWATER BASIN AND AN AMENITY.
AND WE'LL HAVE A PAVILION IN THIS AREA WITH A RECREATIONAL AREA ON THE POND AND THE PAVILION OVERLOOKING THE POND TRAIL NETWORK, CONNECTING TO THE SIDEWALKS.
THE, THE LARGER POND, REALLY NICE POND, UH, BEHIND THE TOWERS RESIDENTS WERE PROPOSED A TRAIL NETWORK AROUND THAT POND, A RECREATIONAL AREA WITH EFFICIENT PEER ON THAT POND.
WE HAVE RECREATION AREAS AROUND THAT AS WELL AS WALKING TRAILS AND PEDESTRIAN TRAILS TO CONNECT BACK TO THE SIDEWALKS.
UH, I'M GOING TO POINT OUT THE BOOK.
SO WE PROFFERED A 50 FOOT BUFFER HERE, A LONG GATHWRIGHT AND A 50 FOOT BUFFER HERE ALONG THE EXIST IN THE PORTION OF SCOTT.
UH, AND THIS IS RIVER VALLEY LANE RUNS THROUGH THIS AREA.
WE PROFFERED TO LEAVE THIS ALONE.
AND WE, WE MOVED A BUNCH OF COMMON AREA IN THIS AREA TO, YOU KNOW, AT THE REQUEST OF THE, OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN, IN, IN AN EFFORT TO HAVE THEM AVOID SEEING SOME OF THESE HOUSES GETTING BACK TO THEIR CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, OH, LET'S JUST GET BACK AHEAD.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE'VE HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT TONIGHT AND YOU GUYS ALWAYS DO, UH, THIS IS THE, THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE LAND USE PLAN.
UM, I HAD THIS SLIDE IN HERE BEFORE.
I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, BUT MAYBE SOME OF THE AUDIENCE DO NOT.
SO THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A LONG RANGE PLAN THAT WILL HELP GUIDE THE PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTY FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCALITIES TO ADOPT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT OF JURISDICTIONS.
A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVIDES A BLUEPRINT FOR THE FUTURE BY ESTABLISHING A FRAMEWORK FOR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
THE PLAN WILL PROVIDE HOUSTON COUNTY GUIDANCE FOR THE FORMATION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF VARIOUS TOOLS THAT WILL GUIDE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS.
AT LEAST ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS, THE COMP PLAN MUST BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S ADVISABLE TO BE, TO AMEND THE PLAN.
THE COMP PLAN MUST BE GENERAL IN NATURE, MEANING IT DESIGNATES THE GENERAL OR APPROXIMATE LOCATION CHARACTER AND EXTEND THE FEATURES SHOWN ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS OR OTHER MAPS DESCRIBED WITHIN THE TEXTS.
SO OUT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OUR DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE PROPERTIES IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AND AREA DESIGNATED FOR GROWTH.
UH, AND IT HAS, I ASKED STAFF SOME QUESTIONS AND TO THE BEST OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE, IT HAS AT LEAST BEEN ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE GROWTH AREA SINCE 1980, WHICH IS MORE THAN 40 YEARS.
SO THAT'S, THIS IS NOTHING NEW THAT IT JUST GOT CHANGED ON THE PLAN AS AN AREA, A GROWTH AREA.
IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
UH, THE COMP PLAN ESTABLISHES TWO MAJOR VILLAGES WHERE DEVELOPMENT FEATURE IN VARIED HOUSING TYPES AND DENSITIES IS ENCOURAGED COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AND CENTERVILLE VILLAGE.
THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATES THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY AS LOW DENSITY, LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL WITH AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF TWO ACRES, WHICH CORRESPONDS TO A DENSITY OF A HALF A UNIT IN ACRE.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS AN R THREE ZONE AND WITH A DENSITY OF 0.72 UNITS, AN ACRE, BUT AS WAS MENTIONED PRIOR AT THE TIME THE COMP PLAN WAS PREPARED, UH, NO ADDITIONAL SEWER CAPACITY EXISTED IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
SO THE LAND USE DESIGNATION WAS DEEMED A LOW DENSITY WITH ANTICIPATION OF ONSITE DRAIN FIELDS PROVISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE PROVISIONS WERE MADE WITHIN THE COMP PLAN TO ALLOW FOR HIGHER DENSITIES.
IF SEWER CAPACITY WERE AVAILABLE, UH, RECENT UPGRADES IN THE EFFICIENCY AT THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND THE UPSIZING OF THE VALLEY VIEW FORCE MAIN THAT WE DID WITH THE REMARK PROJECT, WE UPSIZE THE, THE PIPE FROM THE PUMP STATION BACK UP VALLEY VIEW LANE TO THE MANHOLE ALONG ROUTE SIX WAS A FOUR INCH PIPE.
WE UP TO UP TO TWO, A SIX INCH PIPE, WHICH ALSO INCREASED THE CAPACITY OF THE COURTHOUSE SEWER, UH, CHAPTER TWO, PAGE FOUR, PARAGRAPH TWO OF THE COMP PLAN STATES MAJOR VILLAGES HAVE EXISTED IN THE UTILITY SERVICES OR PLANS TO EXPAND UTILITY SERVICES IN THE FUTURE.
THESE AREAS SERVE AS DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS WHERE NEW DEVELOPMENTS SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED AND CONCENTRATED THE AMOUNT AND RATE OF GROWTH THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WILL VARY DEPENDING ON UPON THE CAPACITY OF PUBLIC SEWER AND PUBLIC WATER SERVICE.
[01:45:01]
CHAPTER TWO, PAGE FOUR, PARAGRAPH FOUR STATES, MAJOR VILLAGES ARE LOGICAL LOCATIONS FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS IN THE COUNTY AND ARE APPROPRIATE AREAS FOR A GREATER VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND DENSITIES BASED ON THE AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC UTILITIES AND OUR OPINION.IF THE PLAN WERE DONE TODAY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED MEDIUM DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THE, THE COMP PLAN DEFINES ON CHAPTER TWO, PAGE 10, PARAGRAPH THREE, DEFINED SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY AS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL USERS WITH AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF ONE ACRE.
THIS CLASSIFICATION GENERALLY CORRESPONDS TO THE
AND WE ARE PROPOSING THREE ZONE.
UH, ALL OF THESE EXAMPLES, UH, POINT TO THE ALLOWANCE OF HIGHER DENSITY FOR THE AVAILABILITY OF, UH, WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC UTILITIES WITHIN THE VILLAGE, THEREFORE THE PROPOSED ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND DENSITY COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT SOME SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
UM, I'M GOING TO VENICE HEIGHTS AND I'M GOING TO BRING UP A MAP ON A CLICK ON THESE, AND THEN IT'S EASIER TO SEE THEM ON OUR MAP.
SO THIS HAS VENICE HEIGHTS, WHICH IS RIGHT ADJACENT.
THE TOWERS PROPERTY IS BACK HERE.
SO THAT'S THE OLD COMMUNITY AROUND LAKE LEIDOS.
THE OLD POND OFF THIS IS SCOTT ROAD, GATHWRIGHT ROAD.
UH, VENICE HEIGHTS HAS PUBLIC WATER, BUT NO PUBLIC SEWER LONG AGO, THEY HAD THIS, ONE OF THESE LOTS BACK HERE WAS A WELL LOT.
AND IT HAD A PUMP STATION THAT THE WATER, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAD PRIVATE WATER THROUGH A WELL LOT.
AND SO THE PIPES THERE ARE LIKE FOUR INCH OLD.
AND SO IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S A VARIED MATERIALS OF THE PIPE.
UH, AT SOME POINT THE COUNTY TOOK THAT SYSTEM OVER OR TIED TO THE EXISTING SYSTEM AND THEY, THEY ABANDONED THE WELL LOT.
AND SO THIS AREA IS ACTUALLY ON PUBLIC WATER.
IT HAS NO PUBLIC SEWER, BUT THE WATER DOES NOT, IT'S NOT ENOUGH WATER TO PROVIDE FOR FIRE PROTECTION.
IT'S JUST ENOUGH FOR, FOR DRINKING.
UH, SO THIS, THIS SUBDIVISION IS ZONED
IT'S ABOUT 48 ACRES, 31, LOTS, WHICH CORRESPONDS TO A DENSITY OF 0.6, FIVE UNITS, AN ACRE, UH, SWANS IN WHICH WAS RECENTLY ZONE HAS PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, UH, R THREE ZONING, 23.5 ACRES, 30 LIGHTS CORRESPONDENT DENSITY OF ABOUT 1.27 UNITS, AN ACRE READ MARCHED ACROSS THE STREET.
WATER AND SEWER ARE THREE ZONE IN 56.3 ACRES, 64 LOTS, 1.1, FOUR UNITS PER ACRE, AND THEN THE ROYAL HILL PROJECT, ROYAL HILL AND THE JAMES PUBLIC WATER, UH, THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, A PORTION ON PUBLIC SEWER, ALL THREE ZONE IN 264 ACRES, 190 LOTS CORRESPONDS 2.7, TWO UNITS PER ACRE.
SO WE'RE LESS THAN READ MARS, LESS THAN SWANS IN AND VERY COMPARABLE TO VENICE HEIGHTS.
UM, THE, I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT OUR PLAN, UH, IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN RELATING TO THE ROAD CONNECTIONS.
SO I'M GOING TO JUMP BACK TO THAT PLAN, THE COMP PLAN OF THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
SO TOWERS PROPERTIES BACK HERE, RURAL HILL A COMP PLAN SHOWED A CONNECTION, UH, FROM SCOTT ROAD, ESSENTIALLY OVER TO CEDAR POINT ON CONNECTION BACK OUT TO ROUTE SIX IN THE FUTURE IN THIS AREA, WHICH IS NEAR BULLDOG WAY, AND THEN A CONNECTION BACK OUT TO THE LIGHT.
SO IF YOU GO BACK TO OUR PROPOSED PLAN, LET ME TAKE IT BACK WHEN I WAS IN THE PR.
SO WE, WE, UH, WE PROVIDED THE NORTH SOUTH CONNECTION TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THROUGH RE MARSHALL LANE.
WE STUBBED IN ADDITIONAL ROAD TO THE NORTH, WHICH WOULD BE THE ONE THAT CAME OUT TO ROUTE SIX, NEAR BULLDOG WAY.
WE STUBBED IN EAST WEST CONNECTION.
UH, WE CONNECTED FROM SCOTT ROAD AND STUBBED OUT CONNECTION TO THE WEST.
SO IF ONE DAY CEDAR POINT ROAD WAS EVER IMPROVED THAT THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, HANDLE THE TRAFFIC.
IT THERE'S A CONNECTION POINT THAT IT COULD BE MADE THERE.
SO WE, WE ALSO CONNECTED TO ALL THE, WE KNOW, COMPLIED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RELATING TO ALL THE PRIMARY ROAD IN CONNECTIONS.
UH, AGAIN, RURAL HILL, UH, MAIN ENTRANCE WILL BE THROUGH READ MARSHALL READ MARSH LANE, AND OUR SECONDARY ACCESS WOULD BE SCOTT ROAD.
MY TRAFFIC ENGINEER WAS CARL HOLTRAN WITH RAMY CAMP AND ASSOCIATES.
HE HAS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING FROM NC STATE.
UH, I'VE BEEN A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER SINCE 2003, REGISTERED ENGINEER, VIRGINIA WEST VIRGINIA, NC STATE IN NORTH CAROLINA, SORRY, IN TENNESSEE, HE HAS PERFORMED HUNDREDS OF TRAFFIC AND DESIGNED OVER A HUNDRED TRAFFIC SIGNALS, INCLUDING THE ONE RIGHT OUT HERE AT REED MARSH, UM, PROJECT EXPERIENCE IN AND READ MARS CAPITAL ONE, THE NOTCH AT WEST CREEK HOCKETT ROAD REALIGNMENT AND THE GILMAN PROPERTY.
I THINK THAT'S BEING WORKED ON
[01:50:01]
CURRENTLY.UH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS PERFORMED USING CRITERIA SET FORTH BY GOOCHLAND COUNTY AND V DOT.
UH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY ANALYZE THE INTERSECTIONS OF RIVER ROAD WEST AND READ MARK LANE RIVER ROAD, WEST TICKETS AND ROAD RIVER ROAD, WEST GATHWRIGHT DRIVE RIVER WEST AND SCOTT ROAD.
THE TRAFFIC STUDY CONCLUDED THAT ALL INTERSECTIONS INTERSECTIONS STUDIED, OPERATE AT ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVANTS SERVICE AT BUILD BUILT OUT.
SO THERE'S LEVELS OF SERVICE MAY HAVE CHANGED SLIGHTLY, BUT THEY'RE ALL STILL AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT BUILT OUT OF RURAL HILL, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT RI RIVER ROAD WEST, UH, WHICH SO THE ONE READ MARSHALL HERE WILL OPERATE AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE C AFTER BUILD OUT, WHICH IS AN OPTIMAL LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR A SIGNAL, UH, TO TRY TO HELP UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT THAT WOULD CORRESPOND TO IS THAT ALL THE VEHICLES AT SITTING AT THE LIGHT WOULD MAKE IT THROUGH IT EVERY CYCLE.
SO IF YOU PULLED UP TO THE LIGHT AND YOU GOT CAUGHT, EVERYBODY'S SITTING IN LINE AT THE LIGHT WOULD MAKE IT THROUGH ON ONE CYCLE OF A LIGHT.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT TWICE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LIGHT TO CHANGE.
UM, 70% OF THE DAILY TRAFFIC FROM THE DEVELOPMENT WILL UTILIZE READ MARSH LANE WOULD GO BACK OUT TO THE LIGHT, UM, AT FULL BUILD OUT DAILY TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD WILL BE LESS THAN 10% OF THE ROADS CARRYING CAPACITY BASED ON V DOT STANDARDS.
UH, I WANTED TO, UM, TO, TO POINT OUT THE INTERSECTION OF SCOTT AND RIVER ROAD WEST, UM, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS OF CONCERN THAT, THAT TOM HAD POINTED OUT IN THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY CONCLUDED THAT AT, UH, 2027 TRAFFIC VOLUMES THAT A WESTBOUND LEFT TURN LANE AND A EASTBOUND RIGHT TURN TAPER WOULD BE REQUIRED AT SCOTT ROAD.
SO IF YOU WERE COMING FROM THE EAST, UH, PENN WEST ON ROUTE SIX, AND YOU WANTED TO TURN LEFT ON SCOTT ROAD, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE A TURN LANE.
UM, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER RECOMMENDED NO INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, AND THESE WERE HIS REASONS WHY, SO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER RURAL HILL HAPPENS OR NOT, AND NO BILL THE 2027 TRAFFIC VOLUMES WARRANT, A LEFT TURN LANE AT THAT INTERSECTION AND A RIGHT TURN TAPER, MOST OF THE WARRANTS ARE, ARE RELATED TO THE FUTURE TRAFFIC ON ROUTE SIX THAT'S WHAT'S DICTATING THE TURN LANE WARRANTS.
THE TURN LANES ARE ONLY WARRANTED DURING THE PEAK HOUR.
UM, AND SO THE ROAD SECTION ON RIVER ROAD WEST IS 40 FEET WIDE, THEREFORE, A WESTBOUND VEHICLE WAITING TO TURN LEFT THERE'S ROOM FOR VEHICLES TO PASS THROUGH THE RIGHT.
SO I WENT OUT THERE TODAY ACTUALLY, AND TRIED TO PULL A TAPE MEASURE ACROSS THE ROAD AND ALMOST GOT RAN OVER.
SO I WENT IN THE LACEYS AND BOUGHT A WHEEL AND WHEELED ACROSS, AND IT'S 40 FEET FROM FACE.
UH, WE HAVE DONE PROJECTS BEFORE WE HAD 10 FOOT LANES.
SO IT'S ALMOST FOUR, FOUR LANES.
WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT SECTION OF THE ROAD.
NOW, IF YOU'RE TURNING LEFT INTO ONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES, PEOPLE GO AROUND YOU TO THE RIGHT THERE'S ROOM TO SIT AND GO AROUND.
WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE COULD STRIPE IT OUT AND PUT A LEFT TURN STRIPE IN A LEFT TURN LANE THAT SCOTT WROTE IT WOULD WE TRY TO DO AN EXHIBIT.
IT WAS KIND OF HARD TO, TO SHOW AND, AND, AND GET IT WITH THE AREA OF WASN'T SHOWING REALLY GOOD.
BUT TO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, OR HOW THAT WOULD LOOK WOULD BE AT THE LIBRARY.
SO AT LA AT THE LIBRARY AND DICKINSON ROAD, IT'S THE SAME ROAD, SECTION 40 FOOT WIDE CURB AND GUTTER.
AND THERE'S A LEFT TURN LANE IN THE MIDDLE THAT GOES TO THE LIBRARY GOING WEST AND A LEFT TURN LANE THAT GOES ON DICKINSON GOING EAST.
SO THERE'S A WAY WE COULD RESTRIPE THE ROAD TO, TO DO THAT, TO PUT IN A, IN A LEFT TURN LANE.
IF, IF YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD MAKE STAFF HAPPY, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THAT PRIOR TO THE BOARD.
UM, THIS MAP JUST SHOWS, SHOWS THE INTERSECTION STUDY, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE LIGHT AT REED, MARS, DICKINSON, UH, GATHWRIGHT DRIVE IN SCOTT ROAD.
NO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
IF YOU DID PUT IN A TURN LANE THERE, HOW MUCH STORAGE WOULD THAT HAVE? HOW, HOW TYPICALLY? SO IT'S NOT VERY MANY CARS THAT ARE TURNING LEFT.
AND SO MY TRAFFIC ENGINEER INDICATED IT'D PROBABLY ONLY BE 75 FEET, MAYBE A HUNDRED FEET.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY MANY TRIPS THERE, BUT THE TRAFFIC GOING EAST ON ROUTE SIX IS WHAT DICTATES THE TURN, WHICH LIMITS THE TURN I SHOULD SAY.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU NEED A TURN LANE.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC UTILITIES, THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE CONNECTED TO PUBLIC WATER.
WE WILL EXTEND THE WATER LINE OUT OF REED.
MARSH WILL ALSO BRING A SECOND, UH, WATER LINE OF 12 INCH LINE DOWN SCOTT ROAD THAT CONNECTS TO THE LINE AND ROUTE SIX IN AND BRING IT IN THROUGH AND LOOP IT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THAT NEW WATERLINE THAT WOULD COME DOWN, SCOTT ROAD WOULD HAVE HYDRANTS ON IT, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE FIRE PROTECTION FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CHURCH AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTS IS THERE, UM, PUBLIC SEWER, 69, LOTS, APPROXIMATELY 69 LOTS WILL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC SEWER.
AND WE WOULD EXTEND GRAVITY SEWER INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
[01:55:01]
POINTED OVER HERE.SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE CORNER OF REED MARSH, WHERE THEY EXIST IN THE PUMP STATION.
THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING RIGHT NOW IS ALMOST COMPLETE.
WE WOULD EXTEND THE GRAVITY SEWER INTO THIS AREA, WHICH THE RIDGE IS IN THIS AREA.
AS GRAVITY FLOWS BACK TO THE TOWARDS LAKE LIDO, THAT AREA WOULD SERVE GRAVITY SEWER BACK TO THE EXISTING PUMP STATION.
SO THOSE ARE THE LIMITS OF THE 69 LOTS THAT WOULD BE ON PUBLIC SEWER.
UH, THE, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPOSED HOMES.
THEY WILL BE A MIX OF STYLES, ARTS AND CRAFTS, CRAFTSMAN FARMHOUSE, MODERN CONTEMPORARY, GEORGIE, AND COLONIAL TRADITIONAL EUROPEAN VICTORIAN, UH, HOME SIZES WILL RANGE FROM 2,500 TO 6,500 SQUARE FEET.
PROBABLY THE AVERAGE WOULD BE 3,200 SQUARE FEET PRICES WOULD RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 600,000 TO $2 MILLION, UH, AVERAGE HOME PRICE, SIX 50 TO SEVEN 50.
THESE ARE WE PROFFERED ELEVATIONS IS HERE'S SOME EXAMPLE ELEVATIONS, OTHER PROPOSED HOUSES, UH, FINANCIAL BENEFITS TO THE COUNTY.
UH, THE DEVELOPER AGREES TO PAY THE FULL CASH PROFFER AND THE AMOUNT OF $13,781 PER LOT DETERMINED BY THE CAPITAL IMPACTS MODEL.
SO ASSUMING 190 HOMES, CASH PROFITS, TOTAL $2,618,390 ALLOCATED TO FUTURE ROADS, PARKS, SCHOOLS, PUBLIC SAFETY, I'M ASSUMING 190 HOUSES WITH 69 OF THEM CONNECTED TO PUBLIC SEWER AND THE RE ALL THE REST OF THEM OR ALL OF THEM, I SHOULD SAY, CONNECTED TO PUBLIC WATER.
THE PROJECT WOULD GENERATE WELL OVER 1.2 MILLION IN WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEES, UH, BASED ON AN ASSUMED AVERAGE VALUE OF $600,000 PER HOUSE, THE GENET PROJECT WOULD GENERATE A LITTLE MORE THAN 650,000 ANNUALLY IN REAL ESTATE TAXES.
UM, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CITIZEN CONCERNS AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WE HAD.
SO WE HAD TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
WE HAD AN UNOFFICIAL MEETING, UH, ON JANUARY 6TH AT THE GOOCHLAND POOL.
UH, I'M A MEMBER OF THAT POOL.
AND SO I HAD A MEETING WITH, WITH A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS, KIND OF DISCUSS THEM, WANTING TO INTRODUCE THEM TO THE DEVELOPERS AND A DIFFERENT SETTING AND, AND DISCUSS WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING AND, AND LISTENED TO THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, THEIR BIG CONCERNS WERE WERE AT THAT TIME, WE DID NOT HAVE A CONNECTION TO REED MARSH.
SO WE HAD TO HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
WE WERE CONNECTING TO SCOTT AND GATHWRIGHT.
UM, THEIR CONCERNS WERE SCOTT ROAD, TRAFFIC SAFETY, THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD DRAINAGE ON THE ROAD.
UH, SAME CONCERNS ON GATHWRIGHT, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT DENSITY, STORMWATER, UH, BUFFERS, PRESERVING THE VIEW SHED, GOING TO THEIR HOUSES ON RIVER VALLEY LANE RIVER VALLEY LANE WAS A CONCERN WHAT WE GOING TO DO WITH REAL VALLEY LANE.
UM, SO AFTER THAT MEETING, WE, THE DEVELOPER WENT BACK UP.
SO WE HAD MEETINGS WITH V DOT AND V DOT SCOTT ROAD AND GATHWRIGHT ROAD.
OUR PUBLIC ROADS EXCEPTED BY V DOT V DOT WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE ROADS WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE STATE SYSTEM, THEY COULDN'T REQUIRE ANY IMPROVEMENTS.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER, WE KNEW SCOTT ROAD HAD SOME ISSUES, YOU KNOW, SO THEY WANTED IT TO BE A NICE ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THEY AGREED TO FIX THE ROAD.
WE PERFORMED SOME ENGINEERING STUDIES, DID SOME DUE DILIGENCE DETERMINED THAT SCOTT ROAD ONLY HAS A 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THE PAYMENT VARIES FROM 15 TO 18 FEET ALONG THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, HAS VARIED SHOULDERS, NO SHOULDERS IN SOME SPOTS.
SO IT WAS DETERMINED THAT WE WOULD NEED RIGHT AWAY, UH, EASEMENTS TO FIX THE ROAD.
WE REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, AND YOU KNOW, LOOKING TO PURCHASE RIGHT AWAY OR EASEMENTS.
AND W W UH, NO ONE WAS WILLING TO PARTICIPATE.
SO WE LOOKED IN ANOTHER DIRECTION WHEN WE HAD OUR MEETING AT THE POOL, SEVERAL NEIGHBORS MENTIONED, WHY DON'T YOU JUST CONNECT TO REED MARSH? WHY DON'T YOU JUST COME THROUGH READ MARSH? WELL, THEY DIDN'T OWN THE LAND, CONNECTING THE REMARK.
THERE WAS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THERE, BUT WE WENT AND EXPLORED THAT, UH, THE DEVELOPER WAS ABLE TO PURCHASE ONE OF THE FLEMING PARCELS AND, AND NEGOTIATE, UH, A CONNECTION, THE REED MARSH LANE.
AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, JUST STEP BACK AND RELOOKED AT IT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT COMING THE MAIN ENTRANCE, COMING TO REMARK, WHICH MADE SENSE, GET THE TRAFFIC BACK TO THE LIGHT.
WE GOT A BRAND NEW ROAD ROAD MEETS ALL THE STANDARDS.
UM, IN DOING THAT, NOW WE COULD BRING THE SEWER FROM REED MARSH IN SERVE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE PUMP STATION WITH REED MARSH WAS DESIGNED TO SERVE ADDITIONAL AREA.
SO LOGICALLY WE EXTENDED THE SEWER TO THAT AREA, WHICH ALLOWED MORE DENSITY FROM WHAT WE SHOWED AT THE POOL.
SO I THINK WHEN WE SHOWED IT AT THE POOL, WE HAD 157
[02:00:01]
LOTS.SO WE WENT UP IN DENSITY AND THE REASON THAT IT WENT UP WAS BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO BRING SEWER INTO THE PROJECT.
ONCE THEY ACQUIRED THE FLEMING PARCEL, UH, WE THEN HAD THE OFFICIAL MEETING HERE, UH, ON APRIL 15TH.
THAT CONCERNS AGAIN WERE SCOTT ROAD DENSITY, UH, STORMWATER BUFFERS, UH, VIEW SHED FROM SCOTT ROAD AND GATHWRIGHT DRIVE, UH, RIVER VALLEY LANE.
SO WE WENT BACK AND WORKED ON THE PLAN.
UM, WE WANT TO GO BACK ONE MIGHT GO BACK TO AIRPLANE REAL QUICK, SORRY FOR THE DELAY.
SO AFTER THAT MEETING, WE WENT BACK, WE HAD LOTS FRONTING, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS LAND IN THIS AREA ALONG SCOTT IS, IS GOOD, USABLE LAND.
UH, SO WE HAD LOTS FRONTING SCOTT ROAD IN THIS AREA.
WE WENT BACK AND ELIMINATED ALL THOSE LOTS FRONTING RE RE ARRANGE THIS AREA SUBSTANTIAL SUBSTANTIALLY, UM, ADDED THE 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG SCOTT, UH, BUFFER ALONG GATHWRIGHT.
AND WE HAD THE AMENITY, ONE OF THE AMENITIES BACK IN THIS AREA, MOVE THE PAVILION AND THE MAJOR AMENITY TO THE FRONT TO ALLOW FOR MORE OPEN SPACE IN THIS AREA AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PRESERVATION OF THE TREES.
AND HERE, THIS AREA HAS SOME MATURE HARDWOODS, UH, IN THIS AREA OF THE FARM.
WE ALSO WENT BACK AND WE HAD A, WHERE WE WERE BASICALLY BUILDING A NEW ROAD OVER TOP OF RIVER VALLEY LANE AND UTILIZING SOME OF THIS LAND WITH LOTS AND, YOU KNOW, HAD A MUCH DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION IN THIS AREA.
UH, WHEN I MET WITH THE, WITH THE CARS, UH, SHOWED THEM THE LAYOUT, THEY, THEY APPRECIATED THE CHANGES.
WE ARE TOTALLY AVOIDING RIVER VALLEY LANE.
WE MOVED A LOT OF OPEN SPACE INTO THIS AREA AROUND THE HASKINS AND ADDED THIS BUFFER.
SO THEY, YOU KNOW, WEREN'T LOOKING RIGHT AT A HOUSE IN FRONT OF THEM AND PUT A LOT OF OPEN SPACE IN THE FRONT TO, TO TRY TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE TREES AND, AND BUFFER THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE EXISTING COMMUNITY.
I WANT, I WANT TO 0.1 OTHER THING OUT TOO.
WE ALSO ADDED, I HAD A PHONE CALL FROM MRS. JENKINS.
UM, SHE HAD REQUESTED A 100 FOOT BUFFER AND THIS AREA, UH, AND THAT WE PLANTED MOST OF THAT.
IT'S, IT'S A FIELD THAT THE PROPERTY LINE IS HERE.
THERE'S SOME LARGE TREES RUN ON THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT MOST OF IT IS FIELD.
WE WERE PROPOSING A 25 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH WILL KIND OF CATCH SOME OF THOSE TREES ON THE EDGE, BUT A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER WAS, WAS A LITTLE HARD TO ACCOMPLISH IN THAT AREA.
GOODBYE TO THE, WHAT I WAS IN THE PRESENTATION REAL QUICK.
SO IN, IN RESPONSE TO THE CITIZENS' CONCERNS, WE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CONNECTION AND THE READ MARSH GREATLY REDUCES THE TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD.
UH, WE REMOVED THE CONNECTION TO GAF, RIGHT? THERE'S NO CONNECTION TO GATHWRIGHT AT ALL, UH, CLUSTER BY CLUSTER, IN THE DEVELOPMENT, IN THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS WITH PUBLIC UTILITIES, WE'RE LIMITED IN THE URBAN SPRAWL, IN THE RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
UH, ALL OF OUR STORM WATER WILL BE TREATED AND DETAINED PRIOR TO LEAVING THE SITE.
THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT WE WOULD WORK OUT IN THE, IN THE PLANET DEVELOPMENT AS REQUIRED BY THE STORM STORM WATER REGULATIONS.
UM, WE REMOVED ALL THE LOTS FRONT AND GAF, RIGHT.
AND SCOTT, UH, COMPLETELY AVOIDED RIVER VALLEY LANE, UH, ADDED ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE UP ALONG RIVER VALLEY LANE ADDED THE 25 FOOT BUFFER ALONG MRS. JENKINS, AND THEN THE 50 FOOT BUFFERS ALONG GATHWRIGHT, UH, IN EXISTENCE SCOTT ROAD.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A SECOND TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT MR. COLEMAN HAD.
WELL, WHILE I'M STANDING HERE, UM, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I MADE MY ARGUMENT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE THINK THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL BASED ON UTILITIES.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE UNIT AN ACRE AND WE'RE 0.72.
SO WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY BETWEEN THE LOW DENSITY AND MEDIUM DENSITY.
UM, WITH REED MARSH, WE DID PROFFER SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS, INCLUDING STREET TREES AND ENTRANCE MONUMENT.
WE ACTUALLY SHOW AN ENTRANCE MONUMENT OVER AT THE CORNER OF GATHWRIGHT AND SCOTT.
WE'RE GOING TO PUT A NICE MONUMENT THERE, THERE, THEY MAY PUT ANOTHER ONE COMING OUT OF REED MARSH, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A MONUMENT.
THESE ARE GOING TO BE A HIGH-END HIGH, EXPENSIVE HOMES.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO PUT, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO RETAIN SOME OF THE TREES ON SOME OF THE LOTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS ADD STREET TREES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO AND CHANGE AS WE, BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, THE TURN LANES I SPOKE TO, UH, AT, AT SCOTT AND ROUTE SIX, UM, THE OPEN SPACE.
SO IF WE NEED TO ADD SOME MORE DETAILS TO THE, TO THE BUFFERS ALONG, UH, THE OPEN SPACE THAT BUFFER ALONG GATHWRIGHT IS, WOULD IT NOW IT'S MATURE OAK
[02:05:01]
TREES AND HARDWOODS IN THAT AREA, AS YOU COME ALONG, THE EXISTING POINT OF SCOTT OF THERE ARE SOME TREES, THERE'S SOME MATURE OAK TREES, SPORADIC IN THE FIELD THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SAY, BUT WE COULD EASILY PLANT SOME ADDITIONAL PLANNINGS ALONG THE END.WE COULD DETAIL THAT OUT, UH, EITHER BEFORE THE BOARD OR DURING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I THINK HE HAS ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT LANDSCAPE PLAN.
WE CAN WE'LL SUBMIT A DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN TO STAFF IN THE, IN THE PLAN REVIEW, UM, RURAL HILL LANE THERE RURAL HILL LANE IS, UH, IS A PRIVATE DRIVE.
AND ESSENTIALLY SIR, UH, SERVES MR. TOWER'S PROPERTY AND THE MS. LAWTON AT THE REAR.
UM, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BUILD A NEW ROAD ALL THE WAY BACK THERE.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO HER, SHE HAD A COUPLE OF CONCERNS ABOUT MAYBE SOME BUFFERS AROUND HER OR, OR PROVIDING HER A STOVE ACCESS.
WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH HER AS WELL, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NOW AND THE BOARD.
UM, BUT THAT WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE THAT ROAD AND BUILD A STATE ROAD, UH, BACK TO HER RESIDENCE.
AND SO WE WOULD MAINTAIN ACCESS FOR HER THROUGHOUT CONSTRUCTION.
YOU KNOW, SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF HER HOUSE AT ALL TIMES.
UH, WE CAN COME UP WITH A PROFFER.
HE TALKED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
WE CAN COME UP WITH A PROFFER TO, TO TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
THE FIRST IS GOING TO BE PHASED.
THE FIRST PHASE WOULD COME OUT OF REED MARSH, BRINGING THE SEWER IN AND THAT AREA.
SO THE HEAVY MACHINERY CAN COME IN FROM THAT WAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NEED TO HAVE SOME HOME BUILDING CONSTRUCTION.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW WE PHASE IT, COME THROUGH SCOTT, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN WORK OUT A PROFFER THAT TO HANDLE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
I CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO TRY TO SATISFY THAT.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, UM, HOW LARGE IT IS LACKS THAT, UM, I'M GOING TO REQUIRE A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
SO THEY, THEY WILL BE ON PUBLIC WATER AND PRIVATE SEWER.
SO, SO SINCE THEY HAVE WATER, THEY CAN BE AN ACRE.
SO MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE AN ACRE, A LITTLE BIT MORE ACRE, ACRE, AND A HALF.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST AN ACRE TO HAVE A DRAIN FIELD.
SO THEY'D HAVE PUBLIC WATER AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE AN ACRE, AT LEAST AVID DRAINFIELD.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THEIR SIZE.
WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE FLORIDA CITIZENS COMMENT.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
MY FAMILY HAS LIVED IN THAT SUBDIVISION OFF SCOTT'S ROAD PITCH DRIVE SINCE 1965.
I KNOW A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ARE MOST OF THE HOUSES BACK THERE, A BRICK HOUSE BUILT BETWEEN THE 1960S AND 1970S AND WINTER TIME.
WHEN WE LOOK HOME, WE'LL SEE ALL THE TREES ACROSS THERE.
I DON'T WANT TO BE A WINTERTIME LOOKING ACROSS SAYING, ALL YOU SEE ARE HOUSES UP ON A 50 FOOT BUFFER.
YOU CAN STILL SEE THOSE HOUSES.
THEY'RE A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE HOUSES ARE BUILT ON THE LAKE.
SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE AT LEAST 150, 250 FOOT BUFFER THERE.
I MEAN, IF THEY, IF THEY TAKE THOSE WOODS AWAY, THEY'RE GONNA BE TAKEN AWAY.
A LOT OF THE ANIMALS, DEER, SQUIRRELS BOXES.
THAT'S JUST GOING TO RUIN WILDLIFE AROUND THERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
I'M AT 32 80 GATHWRIGHT, UM, DRIVE.
AND, UM, I'M AGAINST IT FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT, THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT.
I, I HEAR GROWTH AND GROWTH IS COOL.
LIKE I CHOSE TO LIVE IN COURTHOUSE.
UM, THERE SHOULD BE HALF THAT AMOUNT OF HOUSES.
WITHIN TWO YEARS, THERE'S GOING TO BE 600 HOUSES, 800 HOUSES ALL THE WAY ACROSS THERE BETWEEN THE ADDED, THE ADDED ONE OVER BY THE LIBRARY, THE WEST OF THE LIBRARY.
UM, READ MARSH, THIS ONE SWAN HILL IT'S, UH, IT'S JUST, UM, TOO MUCH TOO FAST AND IT'S NOT CONTROLLED.
UM, GUIDED GROWTH WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED TODAY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE GUIDED GROWTH.
[02:10:01]
BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO EVERYBODY? IT'S NOT CONGESTION.ALL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS CONGESTION.
IT IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS HILL.
SO WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS BUILDING ON THE HILL AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD FLOODING FROM REED MARSH IN OUR HOUSE.
UM, WE'D NEVER HAD FLOODING BEFORE THE WALK, THE, UM, CREEK THAT IS THIS LIDO POND UNDER THE, BETWEEN GATHWRIGHT INTO THE WOODS THAT LEAD TOWARDS REED MARSH.
THAT'S BEEN ALL FLOODED FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME SINCE THE BUILDING OF REED MARSH, UM, AT ALL THAT WATER'S JUST GOING TO COME RUN RIGHT DOWN THAT HILL, RIGHT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PROTECT THE ROADS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA PROTECT YOUR HOUSES.
UM, OF COURSE THE WILDLIFE, OF COURSE, I JUST WANT TO SEE NOT TOO BIG FOR YOUR BRITCHES, NOT EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE IN THE SPAN OF A FEW YEARS WHERE THERE'S NO CONTROL OVER THE BUSINESSES WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TERMS OF, UM, THE MAIN AREA PARKING PEOPLE ARE ALREADY DRIVING FROM RICHMOND TO CHARLOTTESVILLE ON ROUTE SIX.
UM, ALL OF THAT ADDED CONGESTION ALL THE WAY DOWN, SIX.
THERE'S JUST SO MANY ISSUES THAT I DON'T THINK HAVE BEEN TAUGHT.
I'M KATE SARFATTI AND I LIVE AT TWO, TWO ZERO NINE CRAIG RUN COURT AND MAIDENS.
AND I AM HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
UH, MY CHIEF CONCERN IS THE DENSITY.
UH, DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE STRUCTURE TO SUSTAIN THIS MANY HOMES.
AND I AM VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE SCHOOL SYSTEM NOR FIRE OR SAFETY TO PROVIDE FOR 190 NEW HOMES.
190 HOMES WILL EQUATE ROUGHLY WITH 400, POSSIBLY 500 MORE CARS ON FAIR GROUND AND ROUTE SIX ON A DAILY BASIS.
THOSE ROADS ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC.
I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 23 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE AND MOST, ALL OF IT HAS BEEN VERY WELL-DESIGNED AND EXECUTED, BUT I BEGIN TO WORRY THAT GOOCHLAND IS MORE INTERESTED IN CASH PROFFERS THAN QUALITY OF LIFE.
HI, MY NAME'S MARIA JENKINS AND I LIVE IN 30 TO 45 RIVER ROAD, WEST ON CONCERN.
UM, MANY THINGS DO THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE 60 TANKS DRAIN FIELDS.
UNCLE'S HEARD ABOUT GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION.
UM, I'D REQUEST TO HAVE A HUNDRED FEET OF BUFFER BECAUSE HE'S FIVE HOUSES YOU'RE GOING TO BE.
I DON'T WANT TO BE LOOKING AT FIVE HOUSES.
WHERE'D I LEAVE THOSE HOUSES? HOW MUCH ARE THEY? 6,000 SQUARE FOOT.
OUR WANT TO SEE THAT IN MY PROPERTY, I'D BEEN LIVING THERE IN THE WOODS AND I WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
RALEIGH'S ARE CONCERNED ABOUT FIRE SAFETY? I DON'T THINK SO.
WHEN THESE, UH, CHURCH ON SUNDAYS IN IS, UH, MARCH ME, HIS BLOG, HOW IN SUNTAN WE HAVE B EVENTS.
WE USED TO, WE PARK ON SCOTT ROW.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE FIRE TRUCK IS GOING TO GET INTO SCARBOROUGH WITHOUT HAVING ANY TROUBLE.
THERE IS A BIG CONCERN AND I PROPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I CAN PLANT THE TREES IF, IF THEY DEVELOP A KIND OF DO IT, I CAN DO IT.
UM, MY NAME IS KATHERINE HASKINS.
UM, PLEASE BEAR WITH ME ON TIME BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE.
UM, I'M TRYING NOT TO GIVE YOU MY NOT IN MY BACKYARD PLEA.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY IN MY FRONT YARD.
[02:15:01]
INITIALLY THIS DEVELOPER SEEMED INTERESTED IN MAKING DEVELOPMENT WORK FOR ALL OF US IN AN INFORMAL MEETING.THEY INTIMATED A SMALLER DEVELOPMENT THAT PRESERVE TREES AND FEATURES OF THE LAND.
IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE HOLLAND HILLS OR BREEZE HILLS, ALL TWO ACRE, LOTS.
I WOULD GIVE THEM SOME CREDIT.
THEY DID TAKE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS.
THEY HAVE GIVEN US SOME BUFFERS.
UM, THEY DID MOVE THE ENTRANCE DESCOUT ROAD AWAY FROM OUR DRIVEWAY.
UM, HOWEVER THEY PUT, UM, INSTEAD OF ME LOOKING AT 16 DIFFERENT HOUSES, THEY'VE NOW GOT DIRECTLY IN FRONT, I'VE GOT 20.
UM, I WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S CONCERNING BECAUSE THEY STARTED WITH 120 TO 30, 135 ISH.
THEN THE DRAWING SHOWED UP IS 158.
NOW WE'RE UP TO 190, I BELIEVE.
UM, THIS IS VERY CONCERNING TO ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS, WHETHER THEY'RE HERE OR NOT.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS, UM, ONE OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS THAT PLANNERS AND SUPERVISORS GO, AH, IT FITS THE COMP PLAN, BUT DOES IT REALLY, UM, IT MAY BE IN THE VILLAGE.
IT FUNDS YOUR UTILITIES, BUT THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE, UM, PLAN STILL STATES LOW.
MR. BROWNING HAS GOOD ANSWERS FOR THAT.
UM, BUT THE COMP PLAN SAYS WE ARE HAVE BALANCED DEVELOPMENT THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND PRESERVES RURAL CHARACTER.
MR. BROWNING'S DRIVING HOME THE VILLAGE PART, BUT THE COMP PLAN STILL STATES WE HAVE LOW THE COMP PLAN STATES.
THE VILLAGES QUITE IN QUITE THE VILLAGES ARE TO BE AT TRANSPORTATION CROSSROADS.
WELL, WE HAVE TWO MAIN ROUTES RUNNING THROUGH TWO LANES OF PAVEMENT EVERYWHERE IN GOOCHLAND, IN AND OUT OF GOOCHLAND IS TWO LANES.
UM, THE COUNTY GUIDING PRINCIPLES, LAND USE CHAPTER FIVE POINTS OF NOTE.
MR. BROWNIE BRINGS UP TWO OF THE FIVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THE OTHERS PROMOTE BALANCED DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION OF RURAL CHARACTER TO ENSURE NEW DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT EXCEED THE COUNTY'S ABILITY TO THE NEEDED SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE, AND ALSO TO PROTECT NATURAL SCENIC AND HISTORIC RESOURCES AS RURAL CHARACTER AS TO THE RURAL CHARACTER AND PROTECTING OUR NATIONAL, OUR NATURAL RESOURCES.
WE HAVE TOO MANY ROOFTOPS, TOO MANY PAVED ROADS, TOO MANY SIDEWALKS.
UM, IT MAY BE WHAT CITY PEOPLE THINK WE WANT.
WHAT PLANNERS THINK IS BEST, BUT CUTTING TREES AND ABLE TO EXCESSIVE LOTS OR PAVING THE TREES, UM, HELP US AS TO ENSURING THAT DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT EXCEED THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE SERVICES.
UM, THIS IS A HUGE DEVELOPMENT I WISH FOR YOU TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY.
UM, THIS IS A QUIET TOWN THEY ARE ASKING FOR, FOR OUR THREE.
UM, YOU HEAR FROM ME
I LIVE AT 3,200 SCOTT ROAD, GOODSON, VIRGINIA, BEEN THERE FOR 32 YEARS.
UM, THERE'S THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS A VERY UNIQUE AND ONE ASPECT THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY MENTIONED, THEY'RE BUILDING A SUBDIVISION OFF THE MAIN ROAD AND RUNNING IT THROUGH OTHER SUBDIVISION.
IN FACT, WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, THE FIRST TIME THEY GAVE ME SOME EXAMPLES IN HANOVER, BUT IT TURNED OUT THEY ALWAYS HAD ONE ENTRANCE OFF OF THEIR OWN LAND INTO A MAIN ROAD, LIKE THE OTHER PROJECT EARLIER HOCKET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE TWO ISSUES I HAVE WITH IT ARE THE TENSITY AND IMPACT A SCOTT ROAD DENSITY.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE PRIMARY DRIVER ON DENSITY IS WE HAVE ENOUGH SEWER TO PUT THAT MANY HOUSES HERE.
SO LET'S MAKE THE DENSITY THAT, BUT THE PLAN WAS LOW.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE THAT KIND CONTINUED SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE DENSITY IS GOING TO BE JAMMED UP NEXT TO THE OTHER SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME REALLY NICE SPACES IN THE BACK WHERE THEY DON'T THEY'LL HAVE THEIR DENSITY, BUT WE WILL BE SEEING THE NEARBY FOLKS.
UM, THERE WAS THAT'S ISSUE IN SCOTT ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN DOWN SCOTT ROAD LIVED THERE 32 YEARS, UM, WITH THE ROAD IS NOT THE SOLE CONSIDERATION.
I'M NOT ANY OF THESE ENGINEERS, BUT I AM AN ENGINEER.
AND I KNOW ONE THING THAT IS A VERY CURVY AND HILLY ROAD AND, AND A
[02:20:01]
LOTS MORE, TRAFFIC'S GOING TO GO ON THAT ROAD.THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE SIGNED SAYING YOU MUST DRIVE THIS WAY OR THAT WAY THESE FOLKS WILL GO, WHATEVER IT'S FASTEST, JUST LIKE I DO WHEN I'M COMING THROUGH.
SO I SEE SOME, SOME WAY TO ADDRESS WHERE WE ENTER INTO RIVER ROAD BY THE EXXON.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE KNOWS, BUT EXXON IT'S A LOT BUSIER.
NOW IT'S A VERY CONGESTIVE SPOT AND DOING SOMETHING THERE TO HELP MAKE IT SAFE WOULD BE NICE.
I HATE TO SEE SOMEONE GET HURT.
UM, THERE'S SORT THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT I HAD.
UM, I THINK THEY HAVE ADDRESSED SOME ISSUES GIVEN, UH, ANOTHER WAY OUT.
I JUST WISH WE COULD GET A LITTLE BETTER WITH THAT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN CONFUSE ME IS A PROFFERS INDICATED A MINIMUM HOUSE SIZE OF 1500 SQUARE FEET OR 1800, EXCUSE ME, MINIMUM 1800.
BUT THEN IN THE PRESENTATION I SAW 2,500 TO 3,600.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH NUMBERS WHAT, BUT IF IT'S, IF THEY'RE SAYING 1800, IT'S JUST A LOW NUMBER.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE 2000 OR SOMETHING? YOU KNOW? CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE, UH, INDICATIVE OF WHAT THEY TALK ABOUT.
THIS BEING THIS HIGH QUALITY, REALLY NICE SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S GOING TO BE NEXT TO US.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT IN GENERAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALL EXPECTED THE PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT.
IT'S A MATTER OF HOW IT GETS DEVELOPED AND THEIR APPLICATION IS, IS REQUESTING AN R THREE ZONING.
THERE ARE THREE, IT LOOKS LIKE OVERKILL TO ME.
UH, YOU CAN SATISFY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH R ONE R THREE GRANTS.
WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY, THE ABILITY TO POTENTIALLY PUT MULTIFAMILY TRUCKS BACK THERE, TRIPLEXES QUADPLEXES THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A SITUATION WHERE YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE TWO SUBDIVISIONS.
ONE, YOU HAVE THE FRONT HALF WHERE THE CRAMPED, ALL OF THE DENSITY IN WHERE THE SEWER IS AND THE BACK HALF IS A MUCH MORE EXPANSIVE SUBDIVISION, VISUALLY TREMENDOUSLY DIFFERENT IN APPEARANCE, TREMENDOUSLY DIFFERENT.
IF ANYTHING, IT SHOULDN'T BE ANY MORE THAN OUR ONE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO UPS OWN THIS FROM EIGHT TO TALK ABOUT LOW DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR ONE, OUR ONE IS MEDIUM DENSITY, BUT IT'S ONE AND A HALF ACRES PER LOT, AS OPPOSED TO LOW DENSITY, YOU GET TWO ACRES PER LOT.
NOW THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE ADJUSTMENT FOR WATER AND SEWER, BUT THERE IS SOME OVERKILL THERE.
AND JUST ONE OTHER LAST POINT WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT IN THE COMP PLAN, MAJOR VILLAGES AND DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS.
ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS TO ENCOURAGE DENSITY TOWARD THE CENTER OF THE VILLAGES AND REDUCE DENSITY ALONG THE OUTER FRINGES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD CALL THIS PROPERTY, THE CENTER OF THE COURTHOUSE AREA.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH IF YOU GO ANY FURTHER, YOU'RE OUT OF THE VILLAGE BECAUSE YOU RUN THE RIVER, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE FRINGE.
SO ASK YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
MY NAME IS COURTNEY HIGHER AND I LIVE AT TWO, FOUR, FIVE ZERO HIGH RIDGE LANE.
I AGREE WITH MOST EVERYONE WHO'S SPOKEN TODAY IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PLAN.
UM, I'M SPEAKING FOR MY PARENTS TONIGHT, WHO COULD NOT BE HERE, WHO HAVE BOUGHT INTO THE REED MARSH SUBDIVISION.
THEY BOUGHT INTO THIS 60 HOME SUBDIVISION WITH THE IDEA OF THAT BEING SMALL AND INTIMATE AND SAFE AND NOT A HIGH TRAFFIC ZONE AS THE MAIN ENTRY POINT FOR A 200, UM, HOME SUBDIVISION BEHIND IT.
UM, EVERYONE'S SAYING IT'S OKAY WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC.
THAT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH READ MARSHALL, THE PEOPLE IN READ MARSH.
AREN'T EXCITED ABOUT THAT AT ALL.
AND I KNOW THE SCOTT LANE IS NOT IN ANY WAY SIZE TO HANDLE THE LOAD.
SO I'M GOING TO BE QUIET AND QUICK, BUT AGREEING WITH EVERYONE IN THE READ MARCH, PEOPLE ARE NOT THRILLED ABOUT THIS EITHER.
I'M SANDY MARTIN AT 3,200 SCOTT ROAD, AND I WANTED TO EXPRESS OPPOSITION AS THE PLAN STANDS AT THIS POINT.
I THINK IT IS TOO HIGH DENSITY.
UM, I LIVE ON SCOTT ROAD AND IT'S, IT'S ALREADY A LITTLE CRAZY WITH DRIVERS AND I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT MANY COMING THROUGH THERE.
[02:25:01]
A MINIMUM, TWO ACRE, LOTS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED AND THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ONE DAY.BUT I THINK THIS IS, UH, IS OVERKILL.
AND UH, JUST LIKE BILL SAID, I THINK WHEN YOU PICTURE THE VILLAGE, YOU JUST EXPECT LOTS TO GET A LITTLE BIGGER AS YOU GET FURTHER AWAY FROM THE COURTHOUSE.
AND THIS IS HEADING BACK TO THE RIVER.
I WOULD EXPECT IT TO GROW FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND GET BIGGER WITH EACH LOT.
I LIVE AT 30 PHONE HUNDRED GATHWRIGHT DRIVE.
UM, NUMBER ONE, I'M GOING TO LOSE MY DRIVEWAY.
I LIVED IN IT KIND OF THE MIDDLE OF THIS THING.
AND THIS ROAD, THIS IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
BUILDING BACK TO RURAL, RURAL HILL IS GOING TO CUT MY DRIVEWAY OFF COMPLETELY.
UH, IT'S GOING TO GO OVER TOP, MY WATER AND MY TELEPHONE AND LET TRICITY, I GUESS, ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKED AROUND.
THE NAME, HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS ANY OF THIS WITH ANDREW.
BUT MY COMPLAINT IS THAT REED MARS WAS A FAIRLY HIGH DENSITY PLACE FOR, FOR GOODS AND COURTHOUSE.
AND I WAS AGAINST THAT, BUT NO, IT WAS STACKED AGAINST ME.
I HATE TO SEE THE SUPERVISORS KEEP GOING AGAINST WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR AND THEY CALL FOR LOW DENSITY IN THIS AREA, IN THE AREA OF RURAL HILL.
AND JUST BECAUSE WATER AND SEWER IS AVAILABLE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO IGNORE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
DOESN'T SAY THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT THE HIGH DENSITY SUBDIVISION OR A MIDDLE DENSITY SUBDIVISION.
IF THEY WON'T TELL YOU, UH, IT WON'T BE LOVED BEFORE THE LAND IN THIS AREA WILL BE GONE.
AND THEN WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPAND THE AREA OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS COURTHOUSE AREA.
AND THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MORE.
YOU TELL ISN'T, IT'S JUST BAIL BOILS DOWN TO CHESTERFIELD COUNTY AND 50 YEARS AGO, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
IF WE KEEP GOING THIS ROUTE, UH, AND SCOTT ROAD, I DON'T CARE HOW MANY HIGHWAY ENGINEERS SAY IT'S A GREAT ROAD AND, AND SIMPLE FOR THIS.
IF ANY OF YOU GET A CHANCE TO EVEN DO THE DAYTIME JUST TRAVELS, UH, DALE SCOTT ROAD FROM ROUTE SIX DOWN BY THE POOL AND STOWED UP THE HILL.
IT IS ALREADY A DANGEROUS ROAD AND I'M NOT EXAGGERATING.
BUT EVEN THOUGH THE SPEED LIMIT IS IT'S BEEN DROPPED, IT'S JUST A DANGEROUS ROAD.
UH, THE PEOPLE DIDN'T GIVE THEM A RIGHT AWAY CAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT TRAFFIC TO BE ON THERE.
AND I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE GONNA PUT THOSE TURN LANES IN A SCOTT ROAD.
IF THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND, I'M TELLING YOU, I DEFINITELY SEE AN ADAM GOT THAT HALF HERE AND THIS AGAIN.
SO I DON'T HEAR MUCH OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING UP HERE.
IF I REPEAT ANYTHING, I APOLOGIZE, BUT THE DISSIDENT IT'S JUST TWO HALF OF BACK THERE.
IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF IT STUCK DOWN TO ART OR ONE IS MR. HASKINS SAID, UH, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE MORE SUITABLE FOR THE LAND.
HELL, CLOSE TO 300 HAILS IS COUNT THE RED MARSHA RULE HILL.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE OR DRIVERS.
WE HAVEN'T GOT YOU OFF AT THREE MINUTES.
ANYONE ELSE? WE HAVE ONE ON JUNE.
IF I TALK, YES, I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS OPPOSITION TO THIS BASED ON THE DENSITY.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT, MY NAME IS TYLER MENDIX, BY THE WAY, I'M ON GATHWRIGHT DRIVE 3009 DAFT RIGHT DRIVE.
UM, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS DUE TO THE DENSE, GIVE THE DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK IT DOESN'T REALLY GO WITH FUTURELEARN COUNTY AND THE RURAL, UM, IMAGE THAT WE HAVE AND JUST THE PLACE THAT WE ARE.
I GREW UP IN HOUSTON, MY WHOLE LIFE.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE REALLY JUST PACKING PEOPLE IN WHICH KIND OF GOES AGAINST THE SOUL OF THE COUNTY IN MY OPINION.
AND I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PARTY PAVILION THAT Y'ALL HAVE NOW PUT RIGHT NEXT TO VENICE HEIGHTS INSTEAD OF BACK IN Y'ALL'S DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE AND, AND, AND VISIBILITY TO THAT.
[02:30:01]
UM, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY NEVER PROPOSED TO BE NEAR VENICE HEIGHTS.IT WAS FURTHER IN Y'ALL'S DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KIND OF CHANGED THAT UP AND THAT IS CONCERNING.
SO I'D LIKE TO THAT TO BE CHANGED OR TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT.
UM, AND THEN I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS LIKE LIDO REID MARSH HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH, WITH LAKE LIDO.
IT HAD A LOT OF SEDIMENT COME INTO IT.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A BIG RAIN STORM AND THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, THE BARRIERS FOR READ MARSH FAIL AND IT FLOODED THE LAKE WITH, WITH A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF SEVEN MINUTES, BASICALLY TURNING IT INTO A MUD PIT.
UM, AND SO, I MEAN, NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE RUNOFF COMING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, CHEMICALS FROM PEOPLE'S LAWN CARE PRODUCTS FLOWING INTO OUR WATERWAYS.
UM, SO IT'S ALL VERY CONCERNING.
AND IF I HAVE ANY TIME LEFT, I'D LIKE TO DONATE IT TO FRED JENKINS OR THE FINISHES THOUGHTS.
UM, HOW MUCH TIME WAS GOOD EVENING? MY NAME IS LOUIS CASTEEL.
I LIVE AT 32 45 RIVER ROAD WEST.
I'M RELATIVELY NEW TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
I LOVE THE WILDLIFE AND THE TREES AND I DON'T CONSIDER A TWENTY-FIVE FOOT BUFFER SUFFICIENT.
I DON'T WANT TO LOOK OUT MY DOOR AND MY WINDOWS AND SEE SOMEONE'S BACKYARD AND THE, SEE THE ROOF TOPS.
I DEFINITELY OPPOSE THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I FEEL IT'S MUCH TOO DENSE FOR THIS AREA.
THE IDEA IS TO HAVE A VILLAGE, NOT A CITY.
UH, WE HAD THE FOLKS, IT FELL ON ZOOM OFFERED TO GIVE HIS TIME REMAINED UNTIL MR. JENKINS TO LET HIM FINISH.
IS THAT WHAT WE HEARD? ONE MINUTE.
YEAH, FOR ONE I WANTED TO MAKE WAS THAT, THAT IF IT'S GOING TO BE A HUNDRED NANNY IN 64, THAT'S MORE OR LESS 200, 254 HOUSES.
HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THAT ONE STOP SIGN AT THIS CROSSROADS UP HERE, NOT TO MENTION GETTING BACK IN THROUGH THERE, BUT TO TRY TO GET OUT OF THERE.
IF YOU'VE GOT 250 HAILS IS LET'S JUST SAY THEY DON'T HAVE ONE CAR AND YOU'VE GOT A TWO LANE ROAD NARROW TWO LANE ROAD THAT THESE GUYS HAVE GOT TO GET THROUGH THAT STOP SIGN.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE BACKED UP ALL THE WAY BACK TO RURAL HILL.
MOST LIKELY IT, THAT MANY COLORS ARE TRYING TO GET IT AT ONE TIME.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING DOWN SCOTT ROAD AND THEY'LL BE SQUIRTING THROUGH PITCH DRIVE AND CATH RIGHT DRIVE, WHICH I MAY NOT EVEN HAVE A DRIVEWAY COMING INTO GATHWRIGHT ANYMORE, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT TRACK IS GOING TO WORK.
I JUST CAN'T SEE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
IF YOU WENT THERE, THEY HAD IT, LET'S SAY AT EIGHT 30 IN THE MORNING ON SCOTT ROAD, YOU'VE RUN OUT OF TIME AGAIN.
SCOTT ROAD, YOU HAD A HECK OF A TIME GETTING MAIL.
I WANT TO CLARIFY THE NIGHT OF THAT PLEASE.
MA'AM NO MORE INTERRUPTIONS, PLEASE.
ANYONE ELSE TOO? THE ONE NIGHT THAT TALKS ABOUT THE FLOODING WHERE WE'D MARKED, PLEASE NO MORE, NO MORE INTERRUPTIONS, ANY MORE CITIZENS' VOICES COME FORWARD, SPEAK FOR, OR AGAINST THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO REVIVE GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M CARRIE HATCHERSON AND LAND USE ATTORNEY.
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ME YET, BUT I'M GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF A TAG TEAM HERE WITH ANDREW.
JUST I'M GOING TO COVER SOME OF THE BROADER ISSUES AND THEN ALLOW ANDREW TO GET INTO SOME OF THE MORE DETAILED RESPONSES TO THE COMMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL, THE OVERWHELMING AND IT'S.
THE OVERWHELMING COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT ARE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT DENSITY AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO ADDRESS THAT AS A BIG PICTURE TYPE ITEM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO, AND I KNOW Y'ALL KNOW THAT, BUT IT'S A GUIDE AND WE'VE HAD THIS GUIDE.
GOOCHLAND COUNTY HAS HAD THIS GUIDE HERE SAYING THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE IN CENTERVILLE SHOULD BE THE TWO PLACES IN THE COUNTY WHERE MOST OF
[02:35:01]
THE GROWTH IS DEVELOPED AND CONCENTRATED.AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS TO ALLOW THE REST OF THE COUNTY TO STAY RURAL.
THAT'S BEEN THE PLAN FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
THIS IS NOT TOO MUCH TOO FAST.
THIS HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GOOCHLAND HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET DEVELOPERS TO COME AND DO FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE LANGUAGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT ADDITIONAL DENSITY PROVIDED.
IF THERE'S WATER AND SEWER, WE HAVE THOSE THINGS HERE.
THIS IS THE EXACT SCENARIO THAT WAS ENVISIONED BY THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND IT'S AS CLOSE TO THE CENTER OF THE VILLAGE AS CAN BE.
THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER AREA THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S CLOSER TO THE CENTER OF THE VILLAGE.
SO I JUST WANT TO COVER THAT ONE THING THAT I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE REST OF MY TIME HERE FOR MR. BROWNING, TO JUMP UP HERE AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE MORE SPECIFIC ISSUES.
AND ALSO WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE.
MAYBE WE CAN ADDRESS SOME SPECIFICS THAT WAY AS WELL.
ARE WE OUT OF TIME NOW? I'LL JUST TRY TO ADDRESS SOME, A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK.
SO MR. JENKINS, FRED DRIVEWAY WILL REMAIN.
WE'RE GOING TO BRING THE NEW ROAD THROUGH.
HE'LL STILL HAVE A DRIVEWAY CONNECTION TO THE NEW ROAD.
WE'LL EVEN LEAVE THE CONNECTION OVER THE GATHRIGHT.
IF HE WANTS TO CROSS THE NEW ROAD AND GO OUT TO GATHWRIGHT.
UM, SPEAKING, HE HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE LIGHT, THE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY AFTER DEVELOPMENT, THE LIGHT PERFORMS AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE C.
SO THAT MEANS EVERY CAR THAT COMES UP THERE AND STOPPED AT THE LIGHT GETS THROUGH AT EACH LIGHT CHANGE.
UM, IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL IN MOST AREAS TO HAVE THESE LARGER SUBDIVISIONS THAT ACCESS ONE THROUGH THE OTHER.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT ROAD THROUGH READING MARSHALL CARE, OH, LIKE 4,000 VEHICLES PER DAY, WHICH IS LIKE 400 HOUSES.
SO IT IS DESIGNED AND CAPABLE OF HANDLING THE TRAFFIC FROM THAT AREA.
UH, WE, WE LOOKED THROUGH IMPROVED SCOTT ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME ISSUES ON SCOTT ROAD.
THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THEM THAT THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER CARS, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS, I GUESS, IN, IN, IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERYONE THAT SPOKE, UM, SPOKEN OPPOSITION OF THIS, MOST OF, UM, ALMOST ALL OF THE CITIZENS WHO SPOKE, UH, LIVE WITHIN THE VICINITY, IF NOT ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS WITH EXCEPTION OF MAYBE ONE PERSON, UM, OR TWO, UM, IT SEEMS THAT THE DENSITY, UM, IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN, UH, WITH MOST EVERYONE HERE.
UM, I THINK THAT THEY ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT IN TIME, BUT IT, IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S MAYBE MORE WORK TO BE DONE WITH RESPECT TO THE D ADDRESSING THE DENSITY AND A MORE, UM, SUITABLE MANNER FOR THE, THE, THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S MORE COHESIVE WITH, UH, THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, I REMEMBER HER, WE DID THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I KNOW THREE OF US ON THE BOARD WERE HERE WHEN WE REWROTE THAT I DON'T KNOW, I SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU TO, WITH IT HERE WHEN WE DID THIS.
BUT, UH, ONE OF THE KEY POINTS OF THIS WAS TO CONTROL THE DENSITY AND HAVE A HIGH DENSE AREAS IN THE EASTERN END OF THE COUNTY OR THE TACO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT WAS.
AND THAT WAS FOR A LOT OF REASONS, BUT ONE WAS TO PAY FOR THE TUCKER INCREASE HARRISON, UM, OF THE COUNTY, EVEN IN THE OLD COURTHOUSE AREAS THAT WE DID, UM, WERE DESIGNED TO HAVE LOW DENSITY CONSTRUCTION.
UH, EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT KEEPING GOOCHLAND RULE.
WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO KEEPING CONDITIONS.
AND I THINK THIS DENSITY IS A REAL ISSUE.
IF I HAD DONE MY DUE DILIGENCE AND BOUGHT AND READ MARSH, AND I SAW THAT WE HAD 82 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF US, I WOULD SAY, HEY, THAT'S GREAT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A FAIRLY LOW DENSITY, RURAL AREA BACK IN THAT ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED, BUT THEN WE'D COME ALONG AND YOU BUY, YOU INVEST YOUR MONEY AND YOUR HOUSE.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING CHANGES.
AND YOU GO FROM, LET'S SAY A HUNDRED LODGE TO 190 HOUSES.
AND WE ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, AND I TELL MY KIDS WHEN THEY GO TO BOB AND A CERTAIN AREA, GO TO THE COUNTY,
[02:40:01]
GO TO THE CITY, LOOK AT YOUR W WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAYS, WHAT, WHAT DOES, ZONING'S ALL LOOK WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE YOU GO IN.AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO PEOPLE WHO BUY IN ONE AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER AREA DUMPED ON BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY GOT TO GO THROUGH THAT.
SO I THINK THIS, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE VILLAGE AREA OF THE COURTHOUSE, I THINK IT NEEDS SOME, UH, I THINK IT NEEDS TO WORK ON IT TO MAKE IT, MAKE IT ACCEPTED.
I HAVEN'T BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT 109 ADDITIONAL HOUSES GOING RIGHT THERE, ANY COURTHOUSES, WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, I REALIZED THAT DEVELOPERS LIKE TO MAXIMIZE THEIR INVESTMENT AND, UM, I'M NOT EVEN SURE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO GET ANY MORE THAN 199,000 ON THERE, BUT YOU CERTAINLY COULD HAVE GOTTEN A LESS, AND I THINK THEY COULD'VE MADE, STILL BEEN PROFITABLE WITH, UM, WITH, WITHOUT HOMES.
UM, I, I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL, WE APPROVE READ MARSH AND, UM, I WAS SOMEWHAT SKEPTICAL ABOUT THAT ONE, BUT, UM, ANOTHER 190 HOMES IN IT I'M CONCERNED.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S TERRIBLE THAT THE, THE, THEIR HURT IS PUT UPON.
THEY USE EXISTING COMMUNITY TO BUILD OUT WHAT'S BEHIND THEM AND HAVE ALL THAT TRAFFIC COME THROUGH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
I, IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE, WE KEEP ASKING DEVELOPERS TO PUT STUB ROADS INTO THEIR EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE THINGS FLOW BETTER BY TODAY'S STANDARDS.
UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S WHAT WAS DONE IN AT LEAST PART OF THIS, BUT, AND, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT CERTAINLY THERE ARE VALID ARGUMENTS, BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO UTILIZE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, THAT WE ARE CREATING AS WE'RE MOVING ALONG.
UM, MAYBE THERE IS MORE, MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THIS, BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE ASK FOLKS TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN WE DISALLOW IT.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE TO ME.
UM, I GUESS, I GUESS WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE JUST APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR REZONING.
I'LL SECOND, THAT MOTION TO DISAPPROVE HAS BEEN MADE IN SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR.
ALL OPPOSED THE MOTION ON A FOUR ONE VOTE.
OUR LAST ITEM TONIGHT IS C O A 2021 ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO
[5. ZOA-2021-00001 - Proposed County Code amendment to Zoning Ordinance]
ONE PROPOSED COUNTY CODE AMENDMENT TO ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15, TWO 62 USES AND STRUCTURES PERMITTED BY RIGHT P OR BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS CUP TO ALLOW DISTRIBUTION CENTERS AS A BI-RITE USE IN THETHANK YOU, MRS. PARKER, UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION I'M JAMIE SHERRY.
SO, UH, THIS REQUEST IS AN ORDINANCE, A MESH, UM, AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN INITIATED BY THE COUNTY TO ALLOW DISTRIBUTION CENTERS IN THE M ONE AND SUBSEQUENTLY AND TWOS, ANY DISTRICTS BECAUSE THOSE M ONE DISTRICT USES ARE ALLOWED WITHIN, UM, THE MTU DISTRICT.
UH, THIS WOULD APPLY TO ALL, UM, INDUSTRIAL M ONE M TWO DISTRICT PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY.
UH, IT'S A LITTLE QUICK BACKGROUND.
UH, THE COUNTY HAS A DEFINITION FOR DISTRIBUTION CENTERS AND OUR ORDINANCE CURRENTLY, UM, FOR YOUR REFERENCE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THAT FOR YOU, UM, DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND ESTABLISHMENT ENGAGED IN THE RECEIPT, STORAGE AND DISTRIBUTION OF GOODS, PRODUCTS, CARGO, AND MATERIALS, INCLUDING SHIPMENT BY BOAT, RAIL AIR, OR MOTOR VEHICLE.
HOWEVER, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S DEFINED, THERE'S NO PERMITTED USE IN ANY DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS FOR IT.
UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE JUST COMPLETED A STUDY CALLED GOOCHLAND COUNTY CLUSTERS IDENTIFICATION REPORT WITHIN THIS STUDY.
UM, IT IDENTIFIES TARGETED AND EMERGING BUSINESSES
[02:45:01]
WITHIN THE COUNTY, THE REPORT DENSIFIES AN EMERGING SECTOR FOR LE LOGISTICS, WHICH INCLUDES DISTRIBUTION CENTER.SO TO SOMETHING THAT, UM, ECONOMICALLY WE COULD BE ABLE TO ATTRACT, UM, DISTRIBUTION CENTERS ARE NOT LISTED.
I ALREADY MENTIONED THIS, FORGIVE THE FORGIVEN BY REPETITION, UH, NOT IN THE ORDINANCE.
UM, IT IS DEFINED, UM, IF, IF IT WERE, UH, ADDED TO THE DISTRICT, UM, IT WOULD BE A PERMITTED USE BY RIGHT.
UM, IN BOTH THE
THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS MATERIAL MOM AND POP GROCERY STORE WAS DOING HAM DISTRIBUTION.
SO THOSE ONLY VERBALLY AND LARGE CORPORATIONS AND DISTRIBUTION SONOS, FOR THE MOST PART, I JUST SUPPOSE, UM, LET'S SAY WALMART DECIDED GOOSEN COUNTY WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO BUILD A DISTRIBUTION CENTER.
UH, AND THEY WOULD DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, DISTRIBUTION CENTER WOULD DEFINITELY LEAD LIKE WATER AND SEWAGE SEWAGE.
SO BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES WORKING THERE.
UM, DO YOU THINK THERE'S A PLACE IN, IN, IN GOOCHLAND THEY COULD, THEY COULD EVEN HANDLE A DISTRIBUTION CENTER.
I THINK THERE ARE AREAS AREAS WITHIN THE COUNTY, PARTICULARLY, AS YOU MENTIONED IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF, UM, THE COUNTY THAT COULD PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER TO, UH, UM, A DISTRIBUTION CENTER.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, MAP SHOWING THE CURRENT INLAND AND ONE M TWO ZONE PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY THAT YOU COULD WRITE THE PRESENTATION? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THIS PREPARED, MAYBE.
SHOULD I GO TO THE ER, I COULD GO TO THE, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND THE INTERNET CONTINUE ACCESS OUR, UM, PARCEL VIEWER, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, I CAN DO A GENERAL MAPPING.
I'LL DO LIKE A, A TOUR IF IT'S, IT'S NOT STRICT, CAUSE THIS WOULD BE A COUNTY-WIDE.
UM, AND FOR, UM, UH, FOR YOUR REFERENCE, UM, M ONE AND M TWO, ALTHOUGH YES, MR. MYERS PROBABLY A LARGE DISTRIBUTION CENTER WOULD WANT SEWER AND WATER TO BE PUBLIC.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE.
SO, I MEAN, IF THERE IS A PLACE LET'S SAY FARTHER OUT IN THE WESTERN, LIKE IN THE, UM, OIL MILL AREA OR SOMEPLACE THAT MAY NOT HAVE, UM, PUBLIC UTILITIES, UH, THEY WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED TO, SO MAYBE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT BE AS LARGE, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS WE KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THING THAT COVID KIND OF TAUGHT US THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BASICALLY PICK UP AND HAVE STUFF ORDERED ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO I THINK THERE'S LARGE DISTRIBUTION CENTERS AND THEN THERE'S SMALLER VERSIONS OF THEM THAT ARE ALSO OUT THERE.
WHAT AM I DOING HERE? LET'S SEE.
AND IF I SPEAK ON, SPEAK THROUGH YOUR, UM, PUT ON THE ZONING MAP, AND THEN I'M GOING TO TRY AND GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, SORRY TO TROUBLE YOU MS. SHERRY, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE RELATIVE TO YOUR PRESENTATION.
IF YOU ALL CAN, UH, BEAR WITH ME WHILE I TRY AND MANAGE THROUGH THAT, THE INTERNET DOESN'T SEEM TO BE COMING UP WELL, SO HERE WE HAVE, UM, I GUESS, BROAD STREET.
AND IF YOU CAN SEE IT'S THE WELLVILLE BUSINESS PARK IN NORTHEAST 64, I'M GOING TO, UH, JUST, UH, REFERENCE YOU TO THE, UM, ERAS, THE, UH, THE LIGHT PURPLE AND THE DARKER PURPLE INDICATE, UM, THE M ONE AND M TWO TIME COMMITMENT OF PLANNING.
COMMISSION WANTS US TO BRING THIS.
I MEAN IT FOR CLARIFICATION, CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO RUSH THROUGH THIS IF YOU HAVE.
SO ALSO, UM, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, I CAN STOP BE CAREFUL.
COULD YOU GET THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER BEFORE I START? YEAH.
SO THERE'S JUST, UH, JUST A REAL QUICK, UM, US SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN PART OF THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
I'D BE HAPPY TO, UM, TO, TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND, UH, AND GET YOU ANY INFORMATION YOU WOULD
[02:50:01]
NEED TO MAKE THIS DECISION.DO WE NEED TO DEFER THAT? WHAT WE DO PUBLISH I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO DEFER.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND PROBABLY SECOND TO THE MOTION TO DEFER.
NO OLD BUSINESS, NO OTHER BUSINESS
[8. Old Business - None]
[9. Other Business - None]
JAM ON THE JULY MEETING IS[10. Adjournment]
DIFFERENT.SO WE HAVE A TIME LIMIT IN JULY 10 MINUTES TOTAL, AND HE PROBABLY TOOK A HALF HOUR