Jun 07, 2021 BOS Work Session 6-7-21

SO, UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY, UH, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT THE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL BALANCE.

STEADY SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD START.

I NOTICED THE TRENDS HAS MOVED MUCH THAT THE TREND IS NOT NECESSARILY GONE DIRECTION.

WE'RE HOLDING

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UM, ANYTHING ELSE? MAJOR EYE LEVEL.

YOU REMEMBER? I HAVE TO KEEP YOU GUYS UP HERE.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR PARTICIPATING WITH ME.

THIS IS NOT THE EASIEST THING TO DO.

I KNOW.

UM, YES.

SO WE'RE DONE WITH THAT.

SO WE'LL GO INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN A LITTLE BIT, JUST KNOW HOW DID WE GET HERE? AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DAVID PROCESS BEGAN BACK IN THE FALL OF 2013 AND, UH, WHAT THAT TOOK WAS, UH, A LOT OF EFFORT.

THE STAFF WENT BACK, THEY FORMULATED, UH, THE 2014, 2018 DZIEDZIC PLANS.

UH, THEN IN 2019, UM, THE BOARD OF SU UH, SUPERVISORS HAVE HAD NEW ELECTIONS.

UM, THEY HAD A PLAN TO CONDUCT, UH, STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSIONS IN 2020.

THEY HAD WAITED TO SAY, HEY, THERE'S A NEW FOLKS COMING ON.

LET'S WAIT UNTIL THEY GET ON BOARD.

AND THEN, UH, OBVIOUSLY MARCH OF 20, UH, 29TH, 2020, UM, MARCH OF 2020, THE BOARD, UM, WE HA WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC.

UM, WE ALSO HAD SOME LEADERSHIP CHANGES, MR. BABINSKI LEFT.

AND, UH, WHAT WAS THAT? THE END OF MARCH, JUNE, JUNE.

AND I CAME ON SEPTEMBER OF 2020.

I'M STILL IN THE PANDEMIC.

THIS IS ACTUALLY, UM, FOR PROSPERITY SAKE, PROBABLY JUST TWO WEEKS OUT OF ALL THE COVID RESTRICTIONS.

SO, UM, THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THE FIRST OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'LL HAVE HAD TO BE ABLE TO MEET LIKE THIS.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE BOARD HAD, UH, PRIOR WAS WE NEED TO MAKE, ALLOW THE PRODUCT TO BE INVOLVED.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE USED A DATE BECAUSE I THINK THE STRATEGIC PLANS ARE ACTUALLY LIVING DOCUMENTS THAT WE WORK OFF WITH STAFF.

LIKE THIS, EVEN, UH, DURING THE COVID.

UM, AND SO I THINK, UH, THIS IS A GOOD, GOOD TIME FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SET THAT BASE AND MOVE FORWARD.

SO THE VISION, UH, THAT THE BOARD HAD WAS A PROSPEROUS AND VIBRANT COMMUNITY RATES WITH HISTORY AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITIZENS AND THE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS ARE PROTECTED.

THE MISSION THAT THEY ESTABLISHED WAS TO PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY SERVICES TO AN EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE, AND ACCOUNTABLE MANNER BOARD GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR HONOR THE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS, UM, BE CUSTOMER FOCUSED, BE COLLABORATIVE AND BE INNOVATIVE.

SO LET'S, UM, LOOK AT THAT VISION THERE YOU LOOK AT TODAY, DOES IT STILL CAPTURE THE ESSENCE OF MUTUAL IN COUNTY, THE ORGANIZATION AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO, WHERE WE WANT TO BE? WHAT DO WE WANT TO BE KNOWN? I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION JUST YET, BUT DO YOU ALL THINK THAT'S ON YOUR MIND, THAT'D BE KICK THIS OFF JUST FOR FOLKS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW.

I BELIEVE UNDER THE STABLE WE'RE REQUIRED TO UPDATE OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AT LEAST ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS.

SO THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I BRING IT UP THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN.

WE COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT FIVE YEARS LATER, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE HERE.

SO IT WILL BE HERE AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS AGO.

THAT'S A DISTRICT TO , BUT JUST BIG PICTURE.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE INTERESTING IN LOOKING AT THROUGH THE 2014 ACTUALLY BE IT'S ALMOST EVEN MORE APPROPRIATE TODAY.

WHEN I READ THAT, I'M LIKE, WOW, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

WELL, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I THINK, UM, THEY WENT THROUGH A VERY INVOLVED PROCESS, UH, BACK THEN THAT I THINK REALLY DUG REALLY DEEP AND, UM, REALLY LOOKED AT A VERY LONG-TERM VISION THAT COULD CARRY US FORWARD, NOT JUST FOR THE, FOR THE PERIOD FROM 2014 TO 2018.

MATTER OF FACT, I WISH

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AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT HAD AN END DATE OF 2018, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT STAFF WASN'T STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.

GO AHEAD.

JUST HAVING BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS, YOU MENTIONED, UM, TO START TO DEVELOP A VISION WHERE THERE IS NONE AND YOU HAVE A BLANK SLATE, CAN WE SPEND GET IN ORDER TO ADD A TIME WORD SPECING? WHEN YOU START WITH A BLANK SLATE, LIKE COME UP WITH SOMETHING OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH, AS YOU LOOK AT IT, NOW YOU CAN SEE EACH ONE OF THOSE WORDS WAS VERY CAREFULLY THOUGHT THROUGH AND DEBATED FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT IT'S MUCH EASIER TO START WITH ONE THAT'S THERE, THAT EXTENSIVE PROCESS WITH A LOT OF CITIZEN INPUT AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING IT'S A LITTLE EASIER WITH JUST THE WORD HERE.

THEY THERE VERSUS STARTING FROM SCRATCH, BUT LIKELY PROCESS.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR REALLY JUST, JUST GOT A FEELING FROM THE MISSION PERSPECTIVE.

I LIKE THAT THE ONE WORD I THINK THAT IS MISSING FOR ME, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US AS A COUNTY MOVE TOWARDS.

I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE DOING, WE JUST WANT TO SAY IT BUT EFFECTIVE.

AND I'D LIKE TO ADD THE WORD INNOVATIVE, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE DO A GOOD JOB FOR COUNTY, OUR SIZE.

WE WERE STAFF THAT YOU WERE WILLING TO TRY DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES, DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND I'D LIKE US TO BE, YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ME SAY IN THE PAST, I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES BY DESIGN WE'RE, WE'RE REACTIVE WHERE I'D LIKE TO SEE US BE PROACTIVE OR BE INNOVATIVE BY HOW TO PROVIDE OUR SERVICES.

I THINK THAT WOULD PUSH US TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES THAT PEOPLE HELP OUR CITIZENS.

NO, NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

BE YOUR THOUGHTS, YOUR THOUGHTS, UM, AS, AS WE MOVE ON.

WELL, THAT'S JUST MY REACTION TO SEEING THE SICK.

I'M NOT SENSING ANY CHANGE FOR BUSINESS.

I LIKE LOOKING AT IT AGAIN.

YOU REALIZE THE VISION IS NOT SO MUCH THE VISION FOR THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

THE VISION IS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

I LIKE THAT.

LEAVE ALONE MISSION, MISSION DRILLS DOWN TO WHAT WE ARE AS AN ORGANIZATION.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT DOESN'T FIT FOR EVERY TYPE OF OPERATION, BUT I WANT YOU TO HEAR WHERE WE REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY.

SO OUR VISION SPEAKS ABOUT HOW EFFICIENT IS, HOW I LIKE IT.

I SUPPORT INNOVATIVE AS WELL AS INNOVATIVE TO THE MISSION STATEMENT.

YOU CAN TELL A LOT OF WORK, REMEMBER THIS AND IT'S CONCISE TITLE.

THOSE ARE GOOD COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR, BUT THE CONCISENESS, BECAUSE IF YOU RAN A LOT AND YOU HAVE A 10 LINE SOLUTION, YOU CAN'T FOCUS.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF YOU STOPPED ANY MEMBER OF STAFF IN THE HALLWAY AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE MISSION OF THIS GOVERNMENT? YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THIS PART OF IT AND SAY, WELL, MAYBE EFFICIENT WAS THE LOW COST.

THE EFFECTIVE WAS THE HIGH QUALITY AND THE ACCOUNTABLE WAS THE TRANSPARENCY.

AND THAT KIND OF DESCRIBED WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT HERE, BUT BEING INNOVATIVE AND CREATIVE AND PROACTIVE THINKING OVER YOUR HEAD, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S IN THERE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE EASILY ONE WORD INNOVATIVE.

BUT AGAIN, WE TRIED TO KEEP IT DOWN TO A FEW WORDS AND MEMORIZE ALMOST HAVING A THREE BY FIVE CARD.

AND I GUESS JUST TO EXTEND THAT ONE FURTHER IS IF YOU STOP SOMEBODY AND ASK THEM WHAT OUR MISSION IS, THE SECOND THING IS, AND HOW DOES WHAT YOU DO ON A DAILY BASIS, HELP US DO THAT.

SO WHAT IS YOUR ROLE? WHERE DOES YOUR, HOW DO YOU FIT INTO THAT AND HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT HAPPEN KIND OF THING.

AND IF EVERYBODY CAN KIND OF RECITE THAT, THEN WE KNOW WE'RE ALL WORKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION FOR THE SAME OBJECTIVE.

WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES? THOSE ARE STILL RELEVANT TODAY.

COLLABORATING KIND OF SEE ONE OF THESE THINGS

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YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

HOW DOES THE COLLABORATE, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH IT, BUT MAYBE SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS ARE COMING FROM A DIRECTION OF SERVING A MULTI-COUNTY ATTEMPT TO COLLABORATE OR DO SOME CARES AND COUNTY AND ROTARY, AND GIVE US COLLABORATING AS A COMMUNITY INTERNALLY, AS OPPOSED TO COLLABORATE AGAIN IN BRITAIN AS A REGION.

SO THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S PART OF WE'RE DONE.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE GET TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

IT'S JUST, THAT'S MY BIGGEST SURPRISE IN GOVERNMENT IS HOW HARD THIS IS.

UM, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MORE CONVERSATION JUST SO THAT, UH, MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE'RE COMMUNICATING EXACTLY THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO COLLABORATE ON.

AND I THINK THE REASON WHY I THOUGHT THIS PIECE WAS IMPORTANT IS THAT WE DO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING TWO MEMBERS THAT WERE ON THE BOARD THAT WERE PART OF THAT PROCESS.

AND SO THE NEW MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT THE BOARD WAS THINKING AT THAT TIME.

TIME.

IT'S A GOOD TIME TO ASK .

AND THEN HERE'S YOUR CORE VALUES, CUSTOMER FOCUS, INTEGRITY, STEWARDSHIP, RESPECT, TRANSPARENCY, COURAGE.

UH, IF THERE'S NOT A LOT OF COURAGE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE PANDEMIC WITH OUR EMPLOYEES.

AND I THINK THAT REALLY RESONATED A LOT OF OUR EMPLOYEES REALLY STEPPED TO THE PLATE AS AN ORGANIZATION, THE BOARD, UM, AS WELL, DID SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE NEVER REALLY DONE AS AN ORGANIZATION AND, UH, PROVIDED A PATH FORWARD FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD STILL RELEVANT.

SOME OF THE NATIONAL SURVEYS WHERE YOU COMPARE YOURSELF TO SOME OF THE OTHER LOCALITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO YOU.

SO WE HAD GOAL ONE, WE HAD FIVE GOALS.

THE BOARD ADOPTED THERE, UM, EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE, TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT WITH AN EMPHASIS ON CUSTOMER SERVICE, BALANCED DEVELOPMENT THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND PRESERVES CHARACTER EXCELLENCE IN FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT.

THE FOURTH WAS HIGH QUALITY CORE SERVICES, INCLUDING EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY AND COMMUNITY HEALTH, AND GO FIVE WAS POSITIVE WORK ENVIRONMENT WITH A HIGHLY QUALIFIED, DIVERSE WORKFORCE.

AND SO, UM, WHAT WE'LL DO NOW IS KIND OF, UH, MOVE THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, UM, AND GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF EXACTLY WHERE WE ENDED UP.

SO YOU HAD FOR THAT FIRST STRATEGIC GOAL, YOU HAD AN OBJECTIVE WHICH WAS TO DELIVER EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE SERVICES.

WASN'T THE FIRST THING THAT YOU HAD ON THERE AS A DELIVERABLE WAS CONDUCTED, UH, A CITIZEN SATISFACTION SURVEY, UH, OVER OUR SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE CITIZENS.

UM, THAT IS NOT ONE THAT THE BOARD, UM, EVENTUALLY WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FORMATS FROM ICE CMA AND, UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA, UM, THAT WE COULD HAVE LOOKED AT, BUT WE, WE HAVE NOT, UH, GONE OUT AND CONDUCTED A CITIZEN SATISFACTION.

YEAH, WE DID THAT EVERY TIME A CITIZEN TOUCH THE COUNTY OR THE COUNTY TOUCH THE CITIZEN, THE THREE BY FIVE CARD TO CLOSE THE FEEDBACK LOOP TO STUDY, HOW DID YOU DO, WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER? SO WE'VE BEEN LUCKY.

YOU'RE STILL DOING THAT.

UH, AT WHAT, UM, STAFF UNDERSTOOD AT THE TIME WAS REALLY MORE OF

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SO, SO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DOES A THREE BY FIVE POSTCARD.

I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF THE, YOU KNOW, INTERFACE WITH THE PUBLIC.

UM, SO WE GET A REPORT CARD EVERY YEAR AND THAT'S PART OF THE FEEDBACK, BUT IT'S THE ONLY COMMUNITY AT TIMES.

UH, LEVERAGING TECHNOLOGY.

MAYBE BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MISSION AND OUR IDEA IS IF YOUR COMPETENCIES GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THE MISSION AND THE MISSION, AND THEN HOW DO WE ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS? THERE'S OBJECTIVES THAT IF YOU'VE GOT THE SOCIAL OBJECTIVES, YOU'LL MEET YOUR GOAL AND IT WILL ACCOMPLISH THE MISSION.

AND THEN OF COURSE GIVE YOU STRATEGIES OR WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH THE OBJECTIVES, WHICH AGAIN, SO IT ALL, IT SHOULD FLOW UPWARD AND DOWN THE VISION DESCRIBES THE GOALS DESCRIBED, AND THEN IF WE ACCOMPLISH THOSE AND SHOULD ACCOMPLISH THOSE, SO IT SHOULD GO BOTH WAYS AND FLOW.

SO THAT'S GOING TO ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE OBJECTIONS SHOULD BE.

IT SHOULDN'T BE, IF WE DO THESE OBJECTIVES, WILL IT ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL? AND IF WE DO THE BEST THAT IT DOESN'T CONVERSELY, WE HAVEN'T SET THE RIGHT.

SO JUST AS A BIT OF A BACKDROP, AND AS YOU SEE IN MOST OF THE AREAS, UM, SO THE AREAS THAT ARE UNDERLINED ARE THE ONES THAT, UM, THEY'RE EITHER WHERE THEY'RE STILL ONGOING, OR WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY TAKEN THAT PAST FULLY, BUT ALL THE OTHER AREAS WHERE YOU SEE JUST THE REGULAR, THAT AREN'T UNDERLINED, THOSE AREAS, WE BELIEVE WE'VE COMPLETED AND DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF MOVING THE ORGANIZATION FORWARD.

WE'VE DONE QUITE A BIT JUST OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, USE IT, ONE OF THEM NOW, UH, THE SWAG SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE, WE'VE YOU MEAN DEVELOPMENT? WE'RE WORKING ON THE TYLER INTERFACE, UH, SYSTEM, UM, FINANCIAL SYSTEMS MUNIS, UH, THAT WE ADOPTED OR SOFTWARE, UH, THAT WE'VE DONE, SHERIFF, SHERIFF TECHNOLOGY.

UM, , THAT'S TRUE, BUT THAT'S NOT ONGOING.

AND I THINK YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN AN ERA WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE US, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE, UM, BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY IS REALLY BECOMING OBSOLETE VERY, VERY FAST.

AND SO, UM, IN ORDER TO REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE EFFICIENCIES OF IT, WE HAVE TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD ON THAT, UH, FIVE STRONG PROCUREMENT PRACTICES.

WE'VE BEEN VERY GOOD WITH THAT ENCOURAGE PARTNERSHIP COLLABORATION.

UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF PARTNERSHIPS JUST THAT I'VE SEEN THAT IT PUT TOGETHER AND JUST MADE A FEW WITH, UM, MUTUAL HEIRS, UH, PET LOVERS, UH, ROTARY CLUB, MUTUAL FRIENDS OF OURS, UH, FIRE RESCUE, UH, VOLUNTEER ASSOCIATION.

AND I CAN THINK OF, I CAN'T THINK OF A NUMBER OF THEM.

UM, WE CONTINUALLY LOOK AT DEPARTMENT PROCESSES AND, UH, WE DO HAVE PERFORMANCE MEASURES, UH, WITHIN, UH, ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, UM, ENHANCE TRANSPARENCY, PRODUCE AN ANNUAL REPORT CARD TO CITIZENS.

WE HAVE THAT DOWN AS NOT NECESSARILY BEING COMPLAINANT, BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT WE ACTUALLY, WHAT THE BOARD HAS REALLY DONE IS COMBINED AN ANNUAL STRATEGIC BOARD REPORT THAT COMES TO, UH, THE PUBLIC AND ACTUALLY DOES A REPORT.

SO INTO THIS USUALLY OCTOBER, IS THAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IT OCTOBER? UM, I BELIEVE I'VE COME ON MID SEPTEMBER AND WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, COVID, UH, CHOOSE TO SKIP UP OR FOR LAST YEAR.

SO WE DIDN'T DO THAT LAST YEAR, BUT THERE WAS A MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY WATCHING OUR STUFF AT THAT POINT, UM, TOWN HALLS, UH, WE DID TOWN HALLS EVEN THROUGH COVID.

UM, IF THE HELP OF SOME OF THOSE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE, UH, LIVE STREAM MEETINGS, OBVIOUSLY WE ENHANCE THAT WE WERE DOING IT THROUGH SOON BEFORE NOW.

WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING IT THROUGH SWAG, WHICH ALLOWS US TO ACTUALLY TRANSCRIBE, WHICH ACTUALLY MAKES IT MORE EFFICIENT ON, UH, MS. .

UH, SO THAT, UM, A LOT OF, UH, THE MINUTES ARE ACTUALLY TAKEN AND CITIZENS CAN ACTUALLY PULL UP EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.

UM, REDESIGNED THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE.

I BELIEVE RANDY, WE DID THAT POLICE TWICE,

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UH, ONCE A TIME.

AND ONCE SINCE HE'S BEEN HERE, UM, AGAIN, WE UPDATED OUR ONLINE FINANCIAL GIS LAND RECORDS.

UM, WE'RE EVEN CONTINUING THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS.

WE HAVE ANOTHER GIS, UH, FUNCTION THAT SHOULD BE UP SOON, SHORTLY, UM, PARTNER WITH MEDIA TO DISSEMINATE INFORMATION, UM, WHILE WE DO SOME PRESS RELEASES.

AND, UM, THEY'RE REALLY, WE REALLY HAVEN'T ESTABLISHED A CLEAR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT THAT, UM, WE COMMUNICATE ALL THOSE THINGS FOR PAUL DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB FOR US GETTING OUT OUR STUFF, UM, OUR, EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS AS WELL, BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S A LARGER MESSAGE THAT THE BOARD MAYBE WE'RE STILL PUT OUT THERE.

UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE CAN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.

UM, IF WE HADN'T REALLY LIVED UP TO THAT, UH, INCREASED WAYS TO SEEK CUSTOMER INPUT AND DECISION-MAKING, UM, I THINK THE BOARD'S BEEN OPEN TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD DURING, UH, THE PUBLIC PROCESS AND, UM, GET THEIR THREE MINUTES OF TIME, UH, SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UM, BUT WAS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WAS BEYOND THAT, THAT, THAT THE BOARD WAS THINKING OF AT THAT TIME BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT ON THEIR COMMUNICATION AND DISSEMINATION, SHOULD WE HAVE A DEDICATED PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENT THAT DOES NOTHING, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL AT THE TIME THAT THAT WAS ONE OF OUR PRIMARY FOCUSES WAS TO TELL EVERYBODY, LOOK AT US.

WE JUST WERE MORE FOCUSED ON GETTING IT DONE AND NOT SO MUCH ON TAKING CREDIT FOR THINGS, BUT JUST, JUST ACCOMPLISHING THINGS.

WE WENT BACK AND FORTH, NO PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENTS THAT WEREN'T SO MUCH TAKING CREDIT WITH.

IF YOU'RE DOING GOOD THINGS, THE WORD GETS OUT.

UH, IF YOU'RE DOING BAD THINGS, IF YOU HAVE BAD NEWS AND YOU NEED TO ESTABLISH A MEETING DEPARTMENT, I DON'T SEE THAT WE HAVE THAT PROBLEM.

AND I THINK THE GOOD NEWS GETS OUT NOT AS MUCH AS LIKE, BUT AT WHAT COST, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE LOSING BY NOT HAVING ALL OF THE GOOD NEWS GET OUT IMMEDIATELY? UM, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SO, UH, WE DON'T WANT THE WONDERFULNESS OF GOOCHLAND TO GET OUT AND SUCH WIDE AREAS.

WE HAVE PEOPLE FLOCKING TO OUR COUNTY.

THIS, THIS IS INTERESTING.

LET ME STEP BACK FOR A SECOND.

HOW, HOW, HOW SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT THIS AS WE GO THROUGH THESE OBJECTIVES, THESE GOALS WHERE IT'S UNDERLINED, UM, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE INDICATING WHERE, OR MAYBE WORKING, BUT MAYBE WE'RE NOT THERE.

THE ONES THAT ARE NOT UNDERLINED, YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE'RE, WE'RE ACHIEVING THAT RIGHT IN OUR REGION AND THESE REGIONS AND THESE OBJECTIVES WILL, UM, ONE IS, ARE ONES THAT STAFF CAME BACK WITH UNDER EACH ONE OF, UM, OF THE GOALS.

SO, UH, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW YOU IS KIND OF WHERE STAFF KIND OF ENDED UP IN, IN RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR STRATEGIC GOAL.

UM, AND I DON'T NEED YOU TO NECESSARILY, UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE A BASELINE.

SO I'M WONDERING, ARE WE, ARE YOU THINKING THERE WHERE, WHERE WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED IT THAT, DO WE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE SAY LIVE STREAM MEETINGS, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT DOESN'T MEAN WE TAKE IT AWAY FROM HER, WE DELETE IT FROM OUR OBJECTIVES, RIGHT.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DOING STAYS THERE BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO.

IS THAT, SO I THINK, I MEAN, THERE'LL BE, THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT YOU EVENTUALLY SEE, LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO, UM, UH, HAVE YOU ALL, UH, CONCENTRATE IN OTHER AREAS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH AND W AND WE'LL GET THERE AS STAFF.

UM, AT THE TIME, I, I THINK THAT, UH, THEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB.

I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY, YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH STAFF AND SO MUCH STAFF TIME, SO YOU REALLY HAVE TO THINK THROUGH, LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY ABLE TO IMPLEMENT, UH, TO GET TO THE VOTE BOARDS, STRATEGIC GOAL, AND, AND, AND GET TO THAT VISION THAT THEY'RE ENCOMPASSING.

AND I THINK THEY, WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF DOING THAT.

YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STRATEGY AND TACTICS.

SO WHAT, I'M JUST WONDERING AS I'M LOOKING AT THESE AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT SHOULD I BE FOCUSING ON REDESIGNED THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE? WHEN I SAW THAT BEFORE THIS MEETING, I'M LIKE, OKAY,

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YEP.

BUT REDESIGN THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO SAY, OKAY, WE WANT TO DO THAT EVERY YEAR.

WE WANT TO DO THAT EVERY TWO YEARS, OR DO WE THINK ABOUT RECRAFTING THAT TO MAINTAIN THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH SOME KIND OF, AND THEN BEFORE YOU SPEAK, I WANT TO GUIDE YOU BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A MINUTE AGO WITH THE MEDIA.

AND I'M LISTENING TO, Y'ALL TALK ABOUT MEDIA IS ALMOST LIKE, OKAY, LOOK AT THIS.

AND I AM POINTING TO NEO BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS YOUR LINE OF WORK.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL MEDIA IS NECESSARILY TOOTING OUR OWN HORN.

UM, AND I, BUT I KNOW THAT WE LOOK AT IT NECESSARILY AS A DEFENSIVE PRACTICE AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE OUT THERE DEFENDING SOMETHING.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THESE YEARS LOOK HOW SOCIAL MEDIA AND OTHER MECHANISMS HAVE CHANGED JUST IN THE LAST YEAR SINCE WE'VE DONE THIS.

SO I THINK THERE MAY BE A LITTLE REASON TO REVISIT THAT AND SHIFT OUR THINKING IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE VIEW, UM, PARTNERING WITH MEDIA VERSUS, YOU KNOW, A PR DEPARTMENT.

I MEAN, YOU THINK OF LITTLE THINGS, LIKE WHEN WE DID THE OTHER NIGHT, THE, THE SHERIFFS, THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET CHANGED, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE PUSH SOMETHING OUT ON THAT? WOULD THAT BE TOOTING OUR HORN OR WOULD IT JUST BE, I THINK, I THINK IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, THAT WAS SOMETHING TO COMMUNICATE.

I FELT I WANTED PREFER PACKED A LOT IN THERE, BUT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING, HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE KIND OF HOW I'VE SEEN THE PAST, KENNY, KEEP ME HONEST.

THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HEADING.

SO WHEN NORA IS IT, ORGANIZATION COMES UP WITH THE MISSION, VISION AND THEIR STRATEGIC GOALS STACK IT THEN SAYS, OKAY, ALL RIGHT, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

SO TO SUPPORT THESE GOALS, HERE ARE THE, HERE'S THE BOLTS OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE LOOKING AT THEN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME YOU COME BACK AND GO, OKAY, WE'VE, WE'VE MET THESE GOALS AND THESE ARE IN PLACE NOW, MOVING FORWARD, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO CONTINUE? SO, OKAY.

I KNOW THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT'S HAD UNDERLYING WOULD PROBABLY COME OFF.

NOT THAT IT GOES AWAY AND WE DON'T DO IT, BUT WE SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT THE PROCESSES IN PLACE.

IT HAS BECOME PART OF OUR CULTURE.

IT'S PART OF OUR OPERATING RHYTHM.

AND FOR 20, 20, 21, WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO ADD THESE THINGS TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS GOAL.

OVER DRIVERS TOWARD THAT? IF YOU DO THOSE BULLETS, THEN YOU'VE GOT IT.

SO, AND ACTUALLY IN THE OLD STRATEGIC PLAN, IT ACTUALLY HAS A VERY GOOD DIAGRAM THAT KIND OF SETS THAT TONE OF WHERE THE BOARD COMES IN, REALLY CONCENTRATED ON THE FIRST GRADE, THE VISION, THE MISSION, AND THE GOALS.

THEN WE AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF, WE GO BACK AND WE HELP ESTABLISH THOSE OBJECTIVES AND THE STRATEGIES FOR ACHIEVING THOSE GOALS, THE MISSION, RIGHT.

I WAS RESPONDING TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THIS? I'M LOOKING AT THIS LIKE, OKAY, HONESTLY, IF WE AGREED WITH IT, THEN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER STEP COULD BE, YOU SEE, AS THIS SLIDE WITH JUST THE UNDERLINE STUFF AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF TO DO? AND THEN YOU WOULD SAY A TRANSPARENCY IMPROVED, OR A CONTINUED FOCUS ON MEDIA RELATIONSHIPS OR, OR WHATEVER THOSE THINGS ARE TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT.

PERFECT.

WELL, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE UNDERLYING ITEMS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE EITHER THAT ARE IN PROGRESS, RIGHT? SO, SO WE KEEP THEM THERE ALL THE TIME, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT WEEK, WE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

WE GET IDEAS.

YOU WERE SENDING, KEEP THOSE IN PLACE.

AND THAT'S RIGHT.

IF WE COMPLETE THEM FOR ME AGAIN, WHERE WE GOT A PERSON THAT WAS A STRATEGICAL OR THE ONE TO ME, THE OBJECTIVE 1.1, THE OBJECTIVE IS TO DELIVER EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE HIGH QUALITY SERVICES.

BRAINSTORM THOSE, THOSE BULLET POINTS.

SHOULDN'T BE, HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THE CATEGORY EFFICIENT? HOW WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY SERVICES AT A LOWER PRICE? WHAT TYPES OF THINGS WOULD YOU LOOK AT TO DRIVE THAT IF YOU ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS, THEN YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH MORE EFFECTIVE AND MORE EFFICIENT, OBVIOUSLY ATTIC, PR, DEPARTMENT MINUTES, LESS EFFICIENT REVENUE.

SO THERE'S THOSE BULLETS THAT ARE BRAINSTORMING HOW TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING WITH RACHEL DEPARTMENTAL CLASS, SOME OF THE BEST IDEAS COME FROM STAFF.

THEY KNOW THEY'RE DOING IT IN A DAY, THEY'RE DOING A PITCHER TO CATCH AND THEY CAN TELL YOU HOW TO DO IT MORE EFFICIENTLY, MORE EFFECTIVE.

AND WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THEM STAFF AND HAVE IDEAS PERCOLATE UP AS WELL.

BUT THESE WERE ALL IDEAS USE TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN DRIVE OUR COSTS DOWN.

IT CAN MAKE CUSTOMERS, IT CAN DRIVE UP THE QUALITY OF SERVICE FOR A LOWER COST.

SO YOU GO, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS HOW DO WE, WHAT ARE THE WAYS THAT WE CAN CUT

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SO WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THE STRATEGIC GOAL BLOOD? RIGHT.

SO WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IS SINCE THIS IS KIND OF THE HISTORY OF WHERE THINGS WERE AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHAT I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE BOARD IS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE MISSING HERE AT ALL? WELL, I, TODAY I THINK THERE'S, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE LEVERAGED TECHNOLOGY UNDERLINED HERE UNDER NUMBER 1.1.

AND THAT'S HUGE.

I MEAN, THAT CHANGES BY THE MINUTE OF CHANGE LABOR, THEY BROUGHT HER.

THAT IS DEFINITELY AN ONGOING THING THAT THEY FOCUS ON WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MEDIA.

UM, I REALLY LIKE TO CONSIDER NOT JUST TO DEAL WITH PUBLIC OUT THERE, THE WORLD, BUT OUR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE INTERFACE WITH OUR CITIZENS? AND I STILL HEAR PEOPLE SAY, WHY DIDN'T WE PUT OUT? I MEAN, WE THINK WE PUT OUT A LOT OF INFORMATION, GOT ALL THE WEBSITE, NOTIFY ME AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL SAY, I DIDN'T KNOW.

NOW I GOT TO FIGURE OUT BETTER WAYS TO INTERACT WITH THE INTERFACE WITH THE CITIZENS.

UM, MORE ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS.

MAYBE IT IMPROVE IT.

THAT MIGHT BE RIGHT.

BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE DONE A LOT, BUT NOT ENOUGH, I DON'T THINK.

AND MAYBE THAT GOES BACK TO YOUR SURVEY THEN TO SURVEY PEOPLE, BUT WHAT'S YOUR PREFERRED METHOD.

RIGHT? AGREED.

SO IF YOU'RE ASKING WHAT MS. A WHOLE DIFFERENT QUESTION, BUT TO JOHN'S POINT, SUSAN C WEREN'T THERE AT THAT TIME.

WE'RE HERE.

GOOD EXAMPLE.

UH, 1.3, THE LAST ONE, EXPAND ON ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEAR FROM CITIZENS.

I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PAY MY TAXES ONLINE AND MY CELL PHONE TO BE ABLE TO GET, UH, TRACK BY APPLICATIONS FOR BUILDING PERMITS THROUGH THE PROCESS ON THAT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UH, THAT'S TRANSPARENCY, BUT IT'S ALSO DRIVING A HIGH LEVEL OF CITIZEN SATISFACTION.

THOSE BULLETS SHOULD BE IT'S EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE IT'S CUSTOMER SATISFACTION.

THESE BULLETS ARE RIGHT.

SO HOW DO WE DRIVE THOSE? I DON'T THINK CITIZENS MORE SATISFIED AND THESE BULLETS ARE IDEAS ON HOW TO DRIVE TRANSPARENCY.

ANY OF THEM NOT WORKING TOO.

THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HER ANY UP.

THEY'RE JUST NOT WORKING.

THAT'S HARD.

TWO QUESTIONS.

SO DISTRICT TOWN HALLS, UM, WHAT MA'AM, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH.

IT'S HARD BECAUSE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, PRE COVID, THEY WERE REALLY GOOD LAST YEAR.

THEY WEREN'T, OH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD GOOD PARTICIPATION IN 19, BUT I THINK IT'S HARD TO SAY IF I WERE LOOKING AT THE POSTER PIECE THAT HAD IT NOT WORK .

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S A HARD ONE.

SO IT GETS BACK TO SUSAN'S POINT ABOUT INTERFACE WITH OUR CITIZENS AND FINDING WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET BETTER.

AND IN SOME DISTRICTS, IF THAT INTERFACE IS BETTER THAN OTHERS, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT DIFFERENT WAYS WE EXPAND, EXPAND BROADBAND.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE BORN WANTING TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE.

SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TRANSPARENCY OR ACCOUNTABILITY.

IT'S KIND OF FEEDBACK.

SOME SORT OF DEEP DIVE INTO OUR COMMUNICATION STRATEGY.

I DO THINK THERE'S EVEN FROM WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING, LOOKING AT HOW THE COUNTY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE DON'T HAVE DEPARTMENT FACEBOOK PAGES WE HAVE.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S TONS OF THEM AND THERE'S INFORMATION.

SO SPORADIC IT'S SO ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT I'M A CITIZEN, I DON'T HAVE ONE PLACE TO GO.

I THINK IT'S BOTH ON THE COUNTY SIDE OF IT.

EVEN WATCHING ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE THROUGH THE CHAMBER NOW IT'S LIKE, THERE'S JUST SO IT'S JUST SO SUCH A SHOTGUN APPROACH.

I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME SORT OF DEEP DIVE INTO OUR

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COMMUNICATION STRATEGY.

THAT WOULD GO UNDER 1.2 OR 1.3.

FOR 1.3, I KNOW WE DO THIS.

OH, I KNOW JOANNE'S TEAM DOES THIS A LOT, BUT YOU KNOW, HAVING, UM, GOALS AND BENCHMARKS FOR, UM, FOR TRANS WOMEN, IT'S LIKE, WE HAVE GOALS LIKE FOR, FOR JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, BUT I DON'T SEE THEM VERY OFTEN.

SO BUILDING PERMITS IS ONE, RIGHT? LIKE I KNOW YOU GUYS TRACK FROM THE TIME IT COMES IN TO THE TIME IT GOES OUT, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE? DID WE HIT OUR METRICS? I DON'T EVER SEE ANY RESULTS FROM THAT.

I THINK I'VE SEEN THEM ONCE.

UM, BUT JUST, SORRY, I THINK FROM A HIGH LEVEL OF CITIZEN SATISFACTION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS EACH AREA LOOKING AT WHAT ARE YOUR TURNAROUND GOALS? WHAT, WHAT SERVICE LEVELS YOU TRY TO HIT AND ARE YOU MAINTAINING THOSE SURFACE LEVELS? UM, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND THEY'LL MAKE SURE AS TO HOW EACH DEPARTMENT IS DOING, UM, PARKS AND REC I KNOW, PUT OUT.

SO I WAS ON THE BOARD THEN PUT TOGETHER A FACEBOOK PAGE BECAUSE COUNTY TIME, AND THIS GOES BACK NINE, 10 YEARS.

AND IT WAS A WAY TO IMMEDIATELY GET OUT TO PEOPLE, THE CHANGES, EVERYTHING WAS GOING ON IN PARKS AND REPRESENTS SO MANY MOVING PARTS IN THAT APARTMENT.

UM, AND I THINK WHEN I'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT A MEDIA PERSON, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE WRITING PRESS RELEASES, LIKE I DON'T SEE THAT AS IMPORTANT AS IMMEDIATE PAPERS THAT CAN DRIVE FACEBOOK CAN DRIVE PEOPLE TO THE TECHNOLOGY THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE USING.

WHEN I LOOK AND I JUST LOOKED IT UP, UM, THE COUNTY PAGE GOT 1400 ACKNOWLEDGMENTS ON ONE THING, WHEN I AM IN PARKS AND REC AT 4,800, THEY'VE GOT THREE TO FOUR TIMES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON IT, WHICH IS WHY I SAID THE OTHER DAY, MAYBE WE SHOULD DRIVE SOME OF OUR THINGS OVER THERE UNTIL WE CAN BALANCE IT OUT.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET, I SEE SO MANY PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT COULD BE ANSWERED ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE, INCLUDING THE NUMBER TWO DOMINO'S PIZZA, BUT I DIGRESS.

UM, SO I JUST SEE THAT BEING A CRITICAL, WE'VE GOT A SMALL NEWSPAPER AND HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID, I DON'T READ THAT IF YOU'RE IN THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY, I DON'T READ THAT.

I READ THE TIME DISPATCH YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTRY.

WHAT'S THE TIME STATUE I READ BECAUSE THAT, SO WE DON'T GET MUCH COVERAGE THERE.

THE ONLY THING WE GET FROM THE THREE TELEVISION STATIONS, SOMEBODY GOT SHOT.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY'VE GOT A NEWS CREW OUT HERE.

UM, SO I THINK OUR, OUR BEST LINE OF COMMUNICATION FOR OUR CITIZENS RIGHT NOW IS USING SOCIAL MEDIA.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.

I MEAN, THERE ARE OTHER FACEBOOK PAGES WITHIN THE COUNTY, NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE COUNTY WHERE PEOPLE ASK CADDY QUESTIONS.

WHAT TIME DOES THE TRANSFER STATION OPEN ON SUNDAY? WHAT, UH, YEAH, WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT FIVE OH COUNTY QUESTIONS THAT REALLY, WE NEED TO FUNNEL OVER TO THE CAMPUS? UM, WHERE ARE WE GETTING BROADBAND? YOU KNOW, ELVIS? I THINK, I THINK THE TAKEAWAY IS WHERE I THINK WE'RE HEARING SOME CONSENSUS THAT WE NEED TO DO WITH WHICH YOU CAUGHT ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE HAS A COMMUNICATION, UH, UH, DIVE INTO OUR COMMUNICATION STRATEGY STRATEGY.

I THINK THAT'S, I AGREE WITH THAT.

TOTALLY.

I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE THAT'S, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN ACTUALLY INCORPORATE ALL OF THESE WITHIN THAT PLAN.

REVIEW, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE PERFORMANCE MEASURES.

I KNOW NEIL SAID A MOMENT AGO AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THAT HIS THOUGHT WAS THAT THE ONES THAT WE'VE HAD IN PLACE AND THEIR POLICIES AND THEY BUILT IN, IF WE REMOVE THEM, IS THAT, IS THAT THE CASE IS THE IDEA.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND WE'LL REMOVE THE ONES THAT ARE KIND OF IN PLACE BY POLICY, NOT NECESSARILY.

I MEAN, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME ONES LIKE LEVERAGED TECHNOLOGY.

WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE.

CONTINUE YOUR WORD CONTINUOUSLY RIGHT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE GOING TO GO AWAY.

I THINK THEY NEED TO RESIDE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO, WELL, MAYBE THEY COULD BE REWARDED TO CONTINUE IF WE DO DIGITALLY

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I DON'T KNOW, TO SHOW THAT IT'S ACTUALLY DEDICATE SOME PROFITS.

WELL, THAT'S THE IDEA IS STAFF'S GOING TO GO BACK AND TAKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND KIND OF MASSAGE THESE AND UPDATE THEM AND WHATNOT.

UM, I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF LET THAT HAPPEN.

WE'LL GO BACK.

WE WILL DO THAT WORK.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT HERE FOR ANYBODY TAKING NOTES.

LIKE MAYBE THIS WOULD BE A GOOD CHALLENGE FOR THE, YOU JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, RESPOND AND JUST GIVE SOME REACTIONS.

BUT I WOULD SAY TO ENCOURAGE PARTNERSHIP COLLABORATION, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE GROUP IS, UH, I WOULD SAY MAYBE IDENTIFY, UH, VALUABLE IDENTIFYING EQUIPMENT AND VALUABLE PARTNERSHIPS AND COLLABORATION.

THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT A WAY KNOW, KIND OF FINE TUNING THAT ONE AWAY FROM LIKE, LET'S LOOK FOR PARTNERSHIPS VERSUS LET'S ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE IN IDENTIFYING MEANINGFUL VALUE.

AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS MY EXPECTATION WOULD BE WHEN LOOKING AT THESE PINPOINTED TO A AND THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE SHEET IS THAT FOR EVERY BULLET.

SO IF IT'S A CONTINUOUS REVIEW DEPARTMENT OF PROCESSES AT THE END OF THE YEAR, I WANT TO SEE HOW YOU DID THAT.

SO WE HAVE, WE'VE GOT 77, UM, DOCUMENTED PROCESSES AND WE REVIEWED 50TH.

SO FOR EACH OF THESE, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF SUCCESS METRIC.

SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'RE MEASURING OUR PROGRESS TOWARDS THESE.

OTHERWISE THEY'RE JUST BULLETS OF LEVERAGE, SHUT DOWN.

WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DID WE DO TO LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY SO THAT WE'RE CONTINUALLY WORKING TO CATCH PLANE SUPPORT? THIS GOAL SUPPORTS OUR VISION, SEAN BULLET DIDN'T 1.2 COULD BASICALLY REFER BACK TO PRODUCE PERIODIC REPORTS ON THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OR THE LEVEL OF ACHIEVEMENT OF OUR OBJECTIVE.

1.1.

MAKE SENSE TO CHANGE? RIGHT? YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL, MAINTAINING THE EFFICIENCY WHILE PROVIDING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

I MEAN, NO, THE OBJECTIVE EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE BRAINSTORM BULLETS I HAD TO DO THAT YOU DO THOSE BONES WILL DRIVE THAT AND WE'LL BE MORE EFFICIENT, MORE EFFECTIVE.

THE NEXT STEP DOWN IS OKAY.

IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, ARE YOU TRY TO LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY? HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? THOSE ARE THE STRATEGIES FROM THE QUOTATION.

AND THEN THE NEXT STEP DOWN FROM THAT IS, OKAY, HOW DO WE KNOW IF WE DID IT OR NOT? YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE REPORT CARD AND MEASUREMENT.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SUCCESS GOALS OR MILESTONES.

DO WE PASS THOSE? SO THIS IS REALLY STILL UP AT THE OBJECTIVE LEVEL, NOT THIS THE TEACHER'S LEVEL.

SO THE WHOLE LIGHTS ARE NOT STRUCTURED, BUT YOU SHOULD, YOU HAVE THEM FOR EACH PROBLEM WITH BULLETS, YOU SHOULD LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY FOR GERMAN.

YOU JUST GOT TO PULL THAT BOLT OUT A SECOND.

WHAT ARE THE STRATEGIES TO ACCOMPLISH THAT AS A JAPANESE IS WHEN DO YOU GET ATTACKED? HOW DO WE MEASURE THAT? YEAH.

SO IT'S TACTICS ARE SUCCESS INDICATORS WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO, UH, MEASURE YOUR, YOUR MILESTONES UNTIL THEY GET THERE.

SO, SO YOU COULD THINK OF DETECTORS AS ALL HIGHER LEVEL THAN THE STRATEGIES, TACTICS OF THE IMPLEMENTATION, THE ACTUAL DAY TO DAY PITCHING AND CATCHING, AND THAT WE MEASURE, YOU KNOW, RADICALLY BY COMING BACK AND SAYING, HOW MANY OF THOSE DID YOU ACCOMPLISH? AND THEN IF WE DO A GOOD JOB SET OF GOALS AND TACTICS, EITHER THE STRATEGIES OBJECTIVES UP, SO YOU CAN ROLL IT ALL THE WAY BACK UP, BUT FOR EACH OF THESE BULLETS, WE SHOULD GO, THE NEXT LEVEL DOWN IS, OKAY, WELL, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT? SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO.

THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND DO THESE KINDS OF THINGS.

WHY ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT? THAT'S THE NEXT LEVEL DOWN.

AND THEN DID WE GO OVER? THAT WAS THE NEXT LEVEL DOWN.

SO, AND IT ALSO NEVER ROLLED BACK UP, UM, HAD SAID THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO THE COMMUNICATIONS PIECE.

I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO THE TECHNOLOGY PIECE BECAUSE IT'S THE WHOLE GAMBIT IT'S SECURITY, IT'S COMMUNICATIONS, IT'S EFFICIENCY, IT'S COMMUNICATION, CONNECT COMMUNICATIONS.

UM, I MEAN THAT IS SUCH A HUGE SUBJECT.

IT'S SO MANY MOVING PARTS.

AND ARE WE AS EFFECTIVE, EFFICIENT IN COMMUNICATING THIS WELL AND AS SECURE AS WE CAN POSSIBLY, UM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST SUCH A MOVING CAR.

ANOTHER THING WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT TO HELP FOCUS STAFF'S ATTENTION AND ENERGIES, WE REALLY DIDN'T GO DOWN THIS ROAD VERY FAR WAS, DO YOU WANT TO BREAK THIS DOWN INTO SHORT TERM, INTERMEDIATE TERM AND LONGER TERM, WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE RIGHT AWAY.

THIS CAN WRITE A LITTLE BIT LONGER DOWN THE ROAD.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ROAD VERY MUCH SEPARATE THIS OUT, DIVIDE IT OUT, BUT CLEARLY THERE'S A IMPLIED, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S YOUR

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FOCUS.

THIS CAN BE DONE IN THE SHORT TERM FOCUS IS EVERYBODY OKAY? YOU DON'T NEED A BREAK JUST BY THE COVER.

OKAY, GOOD.

SO THESE ARE THE MEASURES, OBVIOUSLY, UM, FOR NUMBER ONE, I THINK 53 SETS, UH, AND THE OTHER WAS, UH, ACCOUNTABILITY, CUSTOMER SERVICE, QUALITY OF SERVICES, UM, POTENTIALLY A FUTURE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION, LOOKING AT, UM, OUR QUALITY OF SERVICES.

I THINK THAT 53 CENTS PER HUNDRED, UM, AS A MEASURE REALLY GETS TO IT.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF THAT MAYBE, MAYBE YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT THE TIME THAT EVEN GIVES US A BETTER INDICATION? YEAH.

AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC GOAL AND BREAK IT DOWN TO ITS COMPONENTS AND EFFICIENT 53 CENTS TO OUR NEIGHBORS IS A FAIRLY EFFICIENT, WE RUN A GOVERNMENT, THE COST PER PERSON.

I THINK WE'RE NUMBER ONE IN VIRGINIA, IN THE LOWEST FISCAL BURDEN FOR CITIZENS, THEY DO A FISCAL BURDEN SURVEY EVERY YEAR.

NUMBER ONE, THE LOWEST IT'S FAIRLY EFFICIENT, DEPENDING ON THIS ONE IS REALLY COMES BACK INTO THE CIP, TALKED ABOUT THAT.

UM, WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO A PERIODIC BASIS IS LOOKING AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT TRANSPORTATION AT AN INTERSECTION, THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR EACH OF OUR FOCUS AREAS.

SO A LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR FIRE RESCUE, THE LOWEST LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR SHARED SERVICE FOR FACILITIES, THE LIBRARY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE AND IDENTIFIES GAPS IF THERE ARE ANY AND CLOSE THOSE GAPS, BUT THEN ALSO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE AS A COUNTY GROWS AND EXPANDS AND DEVELOPS SUCH DRAMATIC DURATION BY ALLOWING A CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

SO IDENTIFIED GAPS, CLOSING GAPS, AND THEN IDENTIFY WAYS TO MAINTAIN THAT HIGH QUALITY, I GUESS, THE EFFECTIVENESS, THE HIGH QUALITY.

SO THE EFFICIENCY YOU HAVE 53.

THAT'S GREAT.

IN FACT, HOW ARE WE DOING UNDER GAPS? IF THE GAPS, THE REPOSAL AND HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THAT FOCUS? YEAH, I THINK ANOTHER WAY OF SAY THAT TOO, YOU KNOW, AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, ONE OF THE WAYS WE LOOK AT THE SERVICE LEVELS IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE AT TODAY? WHAT'S THAT CURRENT SERVICE LEVEL THAT WE'RE DELIVERING TO CITIZENS? ARE WE LOOKING TO MAINTAIN THAT CURRENT SERVICE LEVEL? SO THEN WHEN WE BRING YOU A BUDGET, YOU ACTUALLY WILL KNOW, HEY, IF WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE, THE RESPONSE TIME, EVEN WITH WHERE WE ARE, THIS IS WHAT THIS IS, WHAT'S GOING TO COST YOU.

IT'S GOING TO, WE NEED, WE NEED CERTAIN THINGS TO GO THERE.

SO THAT'S, THERE ARE, THERE ARE GOOD EXAMPLES OF THAT OUT THERE.

WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK TO WHERE, INCLUDING THAT AS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT RESPONSE TIMES FOR FIRE RESCUE, UH, WAITING TIME TO GET PERMITS THROUGH THE PROCESS, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO MEASURE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE DELIVERING, BECAUSE ONE OF OUR GOALS IS TO BE EFFECTIVE FOR HIGH QUALITY SERVICES.

WE WANT TO KEEP COSTS DOWN AND WE ALSO WANT TO DELIVER HIGH QUALITY.

YOU WANT TO CUT.

AND THAT ALSO GETS TO THE POINT OF, YOU KNOW, THERE COMES TO A POINT WHERE IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT SERVICE LEVEL, YOU WANT TO KEEP THE 50% TAX RATE.

THAT MEANS YOU MAKE YOU AS A BOARD.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME HARD DECISIONS ABOUT MAYBE A SERVICE LEVEL IN ANOTHER AREA IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT TAX RATE WHERE IT IS.

SO, UM, IT IS ABOUT TRADE-OFFS SOMETIMES.

UM, AND OTHER TIMES IT'S LIKE, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT DOING SOME OTHER THINGS, IT'S GOING TO COST US.

SO, UM, YOU JUST CAN'T KEEP AT THAT 50% LEVEL AND SAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE ALL THE SERVICES THAT WE'VE, WE'VE ALWAYS DONE.

SOMETIMES WE MAY HAVE TO REVISIT THAT AND SAY, DOES IT MAKE,

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AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH IS SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE WITH LESS.

YOU MAY BE ABLE TO CHARGE A LOWER TAX RATE, BUT ACCOMPLISH A BETTER, A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE.

AND WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF THEM WHERE YOU LOOKED AT RENEGOTIATING CONTRACTS, ANY OTHER TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT COULD BE CENTRAL VIRGINIA INSURANCE LIABILITY CARRIERS, JUST GOING BACK TO CONTINUE TO GET REALLY BETTER TERMS AND CONDITIONS ON CONTRACTS.

UM, WE LOOKED AT, UH, UH, WHETHER IT TURNS OUT THERE'S A LOT OF LOW-HANGING FRUIT, WE STOPPED SENDING OUT 49, SEVEN TAX BILLS.

THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS, BIG AND SMALL, AND THIS IS AGAIN, GOOD IDEAS CAN PERCOLATE UP FROM STAFF.

HOW COULD YOU DO A BETTER JOB, MORE EFFICIENTLY, MORE EFFECTIVELY? AND WHAT MAKES SENSE? I MEAN, THERE'S THIS, BUT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING MAKES NO SENSE, RIGHT? LIKE THE 40 MONTHS AT DECKS.

SO WE ACTUALLY FIGURED OUT HOW TO WAYS TO DELIVER A HIGHER QUALITY LEVEL OF SERVICE, HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICES AT A LOWER COST.

YOU DON'T GET NECESSARILY DELIVERED HIGHER SHEPHERDS, HIGHER COSTS.

YOU CAN PUT THOSE IDEAS AND KEY THINGS KEY.

NO, , I THINK JOHN'S HEAD WAS ABOUT TO EXPLODE STABLE A BIT ON THAT.

SO, UM, BALANCED DEVELOPMENT THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND PRESERVES ITS RURAL CHARACTER.

SO THE MAIN THING THERE, UH, UH, UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND YES, WE ARE REQUIRED TO UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND WE'VE, THERE ARE OTHER ACTIONS AS WELL THAT ACTUALLY WILL PUSH THAT TIMEFRAME.

I FORGET WHAT THOSE ARE.

SO ANYTIME YOU UPDATE IT, SO WE DID THE, UM, THOROUGHFARE PLAN IN 2018 AND THAT RESET TIME WE DID A PARKS REC PLAN IN 2019 OR 2024 THAT RESET THE TIME THAT'S THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT, THE CAR, MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHEN'S THE LAST TIME WE DID A WHOLESALE FLIGHT.

WE'RE DOING THE COMP PLAN AS A WHOLE.

UM, IT WAS 20 YEARS, 2015 THAT WE ADOPTED, I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY ADOPTED 2016 AND IT WAS A 20 YEAR PLANS.

IT'S 2035.

SO IS THE BOARD AND SUPPORTING CLIENTS EVERY TIME YOU LOOKED UP.

THE SECTION OF IT PRESETS THE CLOCK, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, IS THE BOARD RECEPTIVE TO MAKING THIS OBJECTIVE OR SUGGESTING TO STAFF THAT THIS OBJECTIVE COME BACK IF WE DO A TOP TO BOTTOM UPDATE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO? NO.

SO WHAT THE PLAN IS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO WE WON'T GET OUR CENSUS DATA TO PROBABLY 20, 23, WHERE WE GET ALL OF THE DATA.

UM, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY UPDATED THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN RECENTLY UPDATED THE, UM, PARKS AND REC PLAN.

WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THESE SMALL AREAS STUDIES.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT OUR GROWTH AREAS.

SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE CENTERVILLE STUDY.

UM, THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE, UM, COURTHOUSE.

AND THEN THE NEXT STUDY IS THE SPEED OF STUDY.

SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT SORT OF THE BIG GROWTH AREAS OR THE AREAS THAT HAVE A LOT OF ATTENTION ON THEM.

UM, AND THEN BY THAT TIME WE SHOULD HAVE ALL THE CENSUS DATA AND THEN WE CAN DO AN UPDATE OF THE ENTIRE CITATION.

THE ZONING REWRITE AFFECTED THE COMP PLAN.

AND WE DID MAKE SURE WE HAVE A LOT OF THE, WE MADE SURE WE IMPLEMENTED MEASURES FROM THE COMP PLAN WHEN WE DID OUR ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE, BUT SUBDIVISION REALLY DEALS WITH THE DIVISION.

YEAH, I AGREE.

WE SHOULD DO A SMALLER INSTEAD OF, JUST CAUSE OF THE WHOLE PIECES OF THE JIGSAW PUZZLE, BUT WE HAVE SEEN FROM TIME TO TIME SOMETHING COME BEFORE US AND SAY, WELL, SOME THINGS HAVE CHANGED A LOT SINCE THEN.

AND THAT TELLS ME THEY SHOULD BE UPDATED AT SOME POINT, BUT PERHAPS THOSE SMALLER STUDIES FIRST, BUT THEN HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE? SO THINGS DON'T COME BEFORE US OR IT'S PLANNED, BUT IT MAKES SENSE.

SMALL, SMALL PUMPS ARE THE SMALLER, YOUR PLANS WOULD BE ADOPTED AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN.

SO ONCE WE GET THOSE IN PLACE, YEAH.

SO HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? I FEEL LIKE IT SOUNDS LIKE IS THAT YES, THE COMP PLAN IS EXCELLENT,

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BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

BUT SEE, THIS IS OUR ALMOST USING IT AS A WEAPON.

IF I SAY, HEY, COMFY, IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S THE HOLY GRAIL BIBLE IS NOT A GUY AND WE ARE LOOKING AT IT AND I'VE SEEN WHAT'S GOING ON IN WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY WITH JUST ENORMOUS GROWTH TO WHERE THE STRATEGIES THAT WE IMPLEMENTED MAINLY BECAUSE OF WHERE GOOSE COUNTY IS TODAY TO KIND OF GET BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHICH IS WHAT'S CHANGED IN THE COUNTY.

I THINK THE, I THINK WE'LL BE COMING, I'LL SEE YOU FOR HAVING TO DEAL WITH OUR OWN SUCCESS.

AND HOW DO WE DO THAT IN A WAY? AND DOES OUR COMP PLAN STILL REFLECT WHAT WE BELIEVE REGARDING THE DENSITY WHERE WE WANT, WHERE IT'S NOT A CONSISTENT, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN TO CITIZENS, HEY, WE'RE DOING THIS TO PRESERVE, PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE TOWN.

HOW DO WE DO THAT? OR WE JUST HAD THAT CONVERSATION EVERY TIME SOMEBODY COMES UP WITH WANTS MORE DENSITY, I GUESS, SUGGESTING PERHAPS THERE'S THOSE KINDS OF REQUESTS MORE FREQUENTLY IN THE GROWTH AREAS WHERE THE PRESSURES ARE.

SO IF WE ADDRESS THOSE WITH THE SMALLEST LITTLE DRESS, SOME OF THAT TO YOUR POINT ON THE WESTERN SIDE, AND THIS IS A BIGGER ISSUE, I THINK FOR THE GALLERIES, YOU CAN TAKE YOUR PAIN, YOUR MAIN THOROUGHFARES, YOUR MAIN BROAD STREET, OR IN THE MAIN COURSE CONNECTORS.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL HOMES GOING UP ON THOSE MAIN THOROUGHFARES WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT DRIVERS.

YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MOVING AT A FAIRLY GOOD CLIP AND FLOWING THROUGH, AND YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF DRIVERS COMING BACK AND FORTH.

THAT'S MAYBE GOING TO CREATE SOME ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD.

SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT? UM, IN OUR , IT'S THE, IT'S THE WHITE HALL ROAD, RIGHT? THERE ARE ALL OF THE SMALLER ROADS YOU'RE SEEING THE SAME THING IT'S CREATING AND SEEING ISSUES.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY TO LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND STILL EVEN IT'S JUST A SANITY CHECK FOR US TO JUST GO THROUGH IT AND SAY, YES, THIS ACTUALLY STILL HOLDS TRUE.

OR MAYBE THE FINGER IN THE AIR GOING WELL, ACTUALLY WE DO FEEL LIKE THIS HAS CHANGED.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE MADE THE DRESS RIGHT HERE, THAT A LOT, LIKE, CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE THEIR LAND IN WAYS THAT'S MAYBE THERE'S SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

SO THE SUBDIVISION REWRITE, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF THE BOARD OR THE CITIZENS ARE GONNA NOT GONNA SEE A LOT OF CHANGES.

THE SUBDIVISION REWRITE IS REALLY US MAKING SURE THAT OUR CODE MATCHES OUR PRACTICE, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT GOING TO BE CHANGING ANY FUNDAMENTALLY THE WAY SOMEONE SUBDIVIDES IT.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE MAKING THE LANGUAGE CLEARER AND LEGALLY CORRECT.

AND IF I MAY, YOUR SUBDIVISION CODE CONSISTS OF ESSENTIALLY MANDATORY THINGS THAT HAPPEN.

SO THERE'S A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF TOPICS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN YOUR SUBDIVISION CODES AND UNLIKE YOUR ZONING CODE, IT IS DESIGNED TO NOT HAVE A LOT OF LEGISLATIVE FOR DISCRETION SIGNED TO BE STAFF SEES THE PLAQUE THAT HAS X, Y, AND Z.

THEY SHOULD APPROVE IT.

STAFF SEES A PLAT AND X, Y, AND Z ARE ALLOWED TO BE PART OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN STATE LAW THAT SAYS IF SHE'D BE PART OF THAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S, IT'S VERY, UM, IT'S NOT LEGISLATIVE, IT'S NOT DISCRETIONARY.

IT IS STATE LAW SAYS YOU CAN ADDRESS THESE ADDRESS THEM.

AND THAT'S ALL IT'S DESIGNED TO DO.

SO IF THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT HOW DEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, OR, YOU KNOW, WE DRIVEWAYS TOO MANY DRIVEWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN.

AND THEN THROUGH THE COMP, JUST SORT OF LIKE, THIS IS A STRATEGIC PLAN, THE COMP PLANS, YOUR, YOUR GUIDING PLAN.

AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE STRATEGIES OF HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.

MAYBE THERE'S A STRATEGY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A PROJECT CAN ONLY HAVE X NUMBER OF ENTRANCES ON A ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, SO THAT REALLY WOULD NEED TO COME.

AND I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW BROADBAND IS GOING TO CHANGE, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY.

YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE EVER ANTICIPATED, THAT, THAT WE COULD BE ABLE TO HAVE BROADBAND CANNY WIDE.

AND THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE PRESSURE IN THE WESTERN.

DRIVE DEVELOPMENT SO MAYBE AN OBJECTIVE IS SOMETHING OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ANY MAJOR CHANGES IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO IT COULD BE MAJOR CHANGES IN TRANSPORTATION.

THOROUGHFARES COULD BE BROADBAND FROM YOUR WATER AND SEWER ACCESSIBILITY.

ANY MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE PRIVATE

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SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, FROM STAFF WAYS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, I REMEMBER THE PLACE WHERE IF THE EXCEPTIONS ARE BECOMING THE NORM, THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE NORMS, RIGHT? SO WE CONTINUE TO MAKE CONCESSIONS TO OUR, THE COMP PLAN AND OUR CITIZENS ARE HOLDING THE COMP PLAN AS THE HOLY GRAIL OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING THERE, THE BEEF DISCONNECT THERE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

AND IF WE BROUGHT DOWN THERE IN THE HOUSE, SO EVEN IF IT'S JUST, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT IN THIS TIMEFRAME.

WE'RE JUST SOMETHING.

SO WE KNOW THAT OUR SENSES KNOW THAT YES WE ARE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS.

SO ADDRESS DISCONNECT BETWEEN, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY A DRIVING FACTOR.

AND IT CAN EVEN BE A, BECAUSE THE ONLY THING WE EVER HEAR ARE WHEN IT'S NOT WORKING OR SOMETHING WANTS TO GO AGAINST IT, THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE REALITY.

IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOSH, EVERYTHING THAT WE SEE IS ARE THERE CHALLENGES COMP PLAN? BUT THE ACTUAL REALITY REALITY IS 99% OF THE TIME IT WORKS.

IT'S JUST THIS 1% THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN SEEN.

SO THAT ALL IS THAT PERSPECTIVE.

BEING ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S THE TRUE STORY.

JUST LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, OH MY GOSH, I HAD TO WAIT FOREVER.

I'M BUILDING A BUILDING PERMIT.

WELL, 99.9, 8% OF THE TIME THAT THEY MEET OUR SERVICE LEVELS, BUT JUST KIND OF ONE CAUSE WAS FOR THEM, THE WHOLE BUILDING WAS DONE TO DEVELOP THE EXTENSIVE CITIZEN INPUT.

UM, WELL, I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED, BUT I, I WOULD NOT BE INCLINED TO CHANGE THAT POINT, THE DENSITIES AND THAT KIND OF WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE AGAIN, ANOTHER EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT THE SMALL AREA PLAN THAT THE NEXT WAY IS YOU ENGAGE THE SPECIFIC AREA, THE SPECIFIC, UH, TARGET AUDIENCE, UM, AND KIND OF ADDRESS IT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO LOOK AT THE COUNTY IN ONE PROCESS, BECAUSE IT'S HUGE.

THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT POCKETS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.

ABSOLUTELY.

THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK IT'S HOLY GRAIL.

I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SITS UP THERE ON THE WALL AND GETS DUSTY EITHER.

IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, THEN HOW DO WE MANAGE THE PROCESSES ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS TO COME UP WITH THAT IN FIVE YEARS, IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING AND SAY, AM I SUPPOSED TO DO THAT? LET'S JUST DO IT THEN WHAT HAPPENED? UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS.

WE'VE GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS THE TCFD, BUT IT'S CENTERVILLE.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY CENTERVILLE IS THE TCFD, THEN WE NEED TO SAY THAT.

YEAH, IT DOES NOT THE COMMERCE PLAN.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT CENTERVILLE IS THE TCSD, IF IT DOES, THEN WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO JUMP OUT OF IT, BRING THINGS INTO IT.

AND THE SAME COURTHOUSE.

WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THOSE GROWTH AREAS? UM, YOU HEAR PEOPLE SAYING, UH, WHY IS THE BOARD LOOKING AT, UH, BUILDING, ALLOWING THIS HUGE SUBDIVISION TO COME INTO THE VILLAGE? WE WANT TO BE WORLD? WELL, THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS A GROWTH AREA.

IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT, THEN, THEN WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF THE COURTHOUSES, IF GROWTH AREA, WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS, AND THEN IF THERE'S NO PARAMETERS, THEN THE COURTHOUSE CAN BE EVERYTHING OUT TO, UH, WELL, I MAY COME BACK UP TO 32, UH, REALLY TWO THINGS, BALANCED DEVELOPMENT AND PETERBOROUGH CHARACTER.

SO YOU'VE GOT TWO.

ONE IS BALANCED BETWEEN BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL AND TO MAINTAIN THOSE, I THINK ARE STILL GOOD GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.

SO THEN BECAME WE'RE BRAINSTORMING BULLETS UNDERNEATH THOSE THAT DRIVE THOSE DEEP COMPETITION.

THOSE THINGS THAT THERE'S SOME ON 2.1 THAT WE'VE DONE.

NUMBER TWO MIXED USE, WE'VE ADOPTED A MEMBER FOR UTILITY MASSACRE.

SO SOME OF THOSE BOATS THAT HAVE BEEN AT CONFERENCE, THEY WERE JUST KIND OF SHORT TERM

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GOALS.

BUT AGAIN, HERE WE ARE A BULLET POINTS WE TRYING TO BRAINSTORM OR, OR, YOU KNOW, IDEA, FRAME, MAYBE BRAINSTORM, GET SOME IDEAS UP THERE THAT WOULD DRIVE THE CATALYST ROSE OBJECTIVES.

AND I THINK THE OBJECTIVES ARE GOOD.

JUST THOSE BULLETS MAY NEED TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE IDEA IS STILL SURVIVES THAT REALLY TRYING TO DRIVE THAT.

SO HOW DO WE DRIVE A BALANCED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, HOW TO DRIVE? HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER? THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE GOING UP.

YES, NEIL, YOU KIND OF STARTED US ON THIS WHITE HALL ROAD AND LOTS OF DRIVEWAYS AND LESS ROUND.

DOES THAT MEAN THIS TO ME, THIS IS ALMOST LIKE A THIRD RAIL.

YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO TOUCH OR SHOULDN'T TOUCH, BUT I THINK WE'D BE WISE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, FUCK THEM OUT AND MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE JOANNE MADE THE POINT THAT I SAID FROM THE MOMENT THOUGH, OKAY, BROADBAND, EVERYWHERE YOU PICK THIS BROADBAND, THAT'S EXCITING.

BUT THERE THERE'S A CONSEQUENCE OF THAT, THAT WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST THINK ABOUT BREAKS FOR FOOD.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING QUESTIONS.

WHEN THEY CALL THIS OUT, IF I MADE THE BUY FIVE ACRES, ARE THEY GOING TO ROLL IT DOWN MY DRIVEWAY? SO THAT'S THE QUESTIONS I HAVE BECAUSE IF IT'S TRULY THAT UBIQUITOUS, THAT'S GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF PRESSURE TO DO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THESE FLY, RIGHT BY RIGHT.

THINGS THAT YOU SEE UP AND DOWN.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF GOLFERS ZIPLOC TO DUBAI, RIGHT? THEIR COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE THAT ARE GOING TO TRY TO CURB THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT HAS A FINANCIAL IMPACT.

NOW OF COURSE, THE FLIP SIDE IS PEOPLE SAYING THE BOARD IS ALL ABOUT PROFIT MONEY AND GRABBING ALL THIS MONEY.

BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS WHEN THIS BOND RIGHT, HAPPENS UP AND DOWN THE HALL, WE'RE GETTING INCREASED DEMAND FOR SERVICES ON OUR SCHOOLS.

AND OTHERWISE, NO, THERE'S NO PROPER MONEY.

THAT'S FINE.

BUT THAT'S JUST A REALITY WHEN WE GO BACK TO OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION.

SO, AND I, I SAID THIS WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE BOARD, GO ON TO WRITE FOR COUNTY RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY.

WHY AREN'T THERE MORE NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOUSES HERE? RIGHT.

GO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE.

LIKE GOOD, GOSH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIKE 50 ACRES WHERE YOU CAN BUILD A HOUSE.

SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO DO THAT HERE.

BUT I THINK WE ALL GET OUR HEADS AROUND.

WHAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN WHEN THERE'S BROADBAND EVERYWHERE.

AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE WASHINGTON OF THIS COUNTY.

BECAUSE PART OF IT IS I THINK WE WANT TO PUT GROWTH IN AREAS WE WANT TO GROW.

I LOOK AT IT AS PART OF THAT WILL RELIEVE SOME PRESSURE TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UP AND DOWN WHITEHALL AND ALL THOSE AREAS.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE WILLS SEE THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WILL, BUT TO ME, IF WE'RE, THIS GOES TO WHAT KIND OF, HOW HEAVY OF A HAND DO WE WANT TO HAVE? DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT CURBING THE BY RIGHT.

AND CHANGING THINGS IN THE ROW, THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING PEOPLE'S RIGHTS AWAY.

THEY'RE LIKE, I'VE GOT THIS LAND.

LET ME DO WHAT I WANT WITH MY LAND.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S IT'S STUFF.

BUT I THINK IF WE IGNORE THAT AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, PUT THE GROWTH IN THE COURTHOUSE, IN THE AREA WITH THE IDEA THAT MAYBE THIS'LL TAKE PRESSURE OFF OF THAT.

WELL, THEN THAT JUST CREATES MORE OF A DILEMMA FOR ME SHOULD, WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING THIS? AND THEN IT ALL TAKES ME BACK TO WHAT IS, WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY MEAN ABOUT RURAL PRESERVE? IT'S RURAL CHARACTER, RURAL PEOPLE.

WHEN I SAY, CAUSE SOME PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE SAY, HEY, IF I CAN'T WALK AROUND AND HUNT ON IT, IT'S NOT RURAL.

OR YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THREE AND FIVE ACRE HOUSE ON EVERY THREE AND FIVE ACRES OUT.

I DON'T HAVE TO FIND THAT AS RURAL.

BUT IF THE COMMUNITY SAYS THAT'S RURAL AND PRESERVE THAT I'LL TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

BUT THE IDEA, IF WE'RE GOING TO REALLY PUSH AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RESISTANCE TO GROWTH IN OUR AREAS, IF WE'RE GOING TO SET THE MARKERS AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE THE GROWTH IS, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THE GROW.

I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE STRUCTURED IN A WAY THAT IT DOES IN FACT TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF.

SO WE CAN IN FACT HONOR OUR PRESERVATION OF THE RURAL CHARACTER.

I SEE.

I THINK YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT, YOU HAD TWO DIFFERENT BUYERS.

YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN TOWN.

THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE.

THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO COME TO THE VILLAGE.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

BY YOUR COLLEAGUES THOUGH, IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE BROADBAND AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE, UH, MORE INTERACTION THAT, THAT MAY DRIVE PEOPLE MORE TOWARD THAT AREA THAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE RULE A HUNDRED PERCENT, WELL, YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT.

SO, YEAH.

SO, SO BY THESE BEING BROKEN AREAS ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT AFFECT UP HERE IN MY OPINION AT ALL, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COME IN THE COUNTRY OR OUT THERE.

I THINK ONE OF THE POINTS THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT OUT

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THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT BUYERS.

BUT I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR LIKE, I WANT A LITTLE MORE SPACE, BUT THEY STILL LIKE COMMUNITY.

SO WE MAKE THE VILLAGE ATTRACTIVE.

AND THEN WE SUPPORT THE AVERAGE REACTOR BUSINESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RURAL, WHICH WILL MAKE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

WELL, TELL US ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST WENT, YOU WERE IN LOUD AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF HIGH-GROWTH AREAS LOUDLY WHEN YOU GET WEST OF LEASE, WHERE DO YOU GET TOWARDS PERSEVERE IN IT? I MEAN, THAT'S STILL RURAL.

WHEN WAS THE 15TH FOR THE MOST PART, THERE'S A FEW TOWNS.

SO WHEN YOU SAW THE GROWTH, I MEAN, THIS HAS HAPPENED JUST WITHIN THE LAST 20 OR 30 YEARS, TREMENDOUS GROWTH FROM FAIRFAX COUNTY LINE ON, I MEAN, DID IT ALLOW THEM FACE THIS WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, WHERE YOU GREW UP THIS COMING, WE CAN'T STOP IT.

SO WASN'T IT, AM I RIGHT THINKING THAT WAS PART OF A DELIBERATE THING.

LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO LET THE GROWTH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TARGET HERE, BUT THEY REALLY MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO PUT A LOT OF DENSITY IN THE WEST, WESTERN 15.

ALLOW MORE DENSITY, THERE'S STILL, YOU WANT TO BE DENSE THAT IT'S NOT.

IT WAS MORE ATTRACTED TO ASK FOR DENSITY IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY THAN IT WAS TO LOOK FOR DENSITY TO THEM, TO THE WEST.

SO IT WOULD BE WEST OF 15 AND, AND LOUNGE.

SO, UH, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH WEST OF LEESBURG.

IT'S ACCURATE TO SAY, WAS THERE A, WAS THERE A VIEW OR WAS THERE THOUGHT LEADERSHIP AND ALLOWED UP TO THE TIME THAT IF WE FIGHT THE GROWTH IN THE EAST, THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO PUT ADDITIONAL PRESSURE ON IN THE WEST TWO THINGS TO THAT.

SO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT NORTHERN VIRGINIA IS KIND OF AN ANIMAL IT'S JUST, BUT, UM, WE PUSHED DEVELOPMENT TOWARD THE METRO STATIONS.

SO THE CLOSER YOU WERE TO A METRO STATION AND, UM, IN LOUDON COUNTY, THE MORE DENSITY, UM, THAT WE ALLOWED.

AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO PUSH MORE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT SO THAT YOU COULD STILL HAVE THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS THAT WE FELT WE NEED PER OUR COMP PLAN, AS WELL AS PRESERVE THE RULE OF CHARACTER.

SO ALLOWED COUNTY.

SO VERY SIMILAR TO GOOCHLAND.

UM, WE, WE HAD A LOT OF BREWERIES.

WE HAD A LOT OF WINERIES.

WE HAD A LOT OF RULE, UH, ECONOMIC USES, UH, THAT WE HAD IN PLACE.

SO ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR MAIN THINGS THAT WE DID IS ACTUALLY LOOKED FOR OTHER USES FOR OUR WOOL LAND SO THAT PEOPLE COULD CONTINUE TO KEEP THE RULE RATHER THAN HAVING TO COME UP WITH AND ASK FOR A SUBDIVISION, UM, ALLOWING PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN THEIR OWNERSHIP IN THE PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE, IT CHANGED HANDS FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.

SO THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE TRYING TO CONFRONT.

SO WE WERE ADDING MORE, MORE USES FOR THOSE RURAL PROPERTIES, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED BEFORE.

UM, WAS THERE A LOT OF PRESSURE FROM THE WESTERN OF THE COUNTY? WAS THERE A LOT OF IT, WAS IT EASY TO GET A FIVE RIGHT.

THREE TO FIVE FOOT HOUSE ON THREE TO FIVE ACRES AND THEN ONE AREA IN SOME AREAS IT WAS EASY AND OTHERS, IT WASN'T.

SO YOU DID HAVE ZONING AND THIS WHOLE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, DID YOU HAVE ORDINANCES UP THERE THAT SAID YOU CAN'T PUT A HOUSE ON FIVE ACRES? WE HAVE SIMILAR.

I THINK, WELL, WE HAVE A PARENT TRACKS.

SO IT DEPENDS ON WHEN YOUR PROPERTY WAS IT'S 1978, HOW BIG IT IS ON HOW OFTEN YOU CAN SUBDIVIDE IT, BUT YOU CAN GET FOUR SMALLS, WHICH IS TWO OR THREE ACRE PROPERTIES PARK PROJECT.

IT DEPENDS ON HOW BIG YOUR PROPERTY IS.

SO IT'S BASED ON A PARENT TRACK MAP, THE SIZE OF YOUR PROPERTY IN 1978.

SO IT WAS 20 ACRES OR A HUNDRED ACRES.

YOU GET FOUR SMALLS, WHICH IS EITHER TWO OR THREE ACRES AND GET TWO TWENTIES.

AND THEN AS MANY FORTIES AS YOU HAVE LEFT, THAT'S THE BUY RIGHTS.

SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, I JUST THINK, I DON'T THINK JUST BECAUSE YOU MAKE IT EASIER TO INCREASE THE DENSITY AND THE GROWTH AREAS THAT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE OFF THAT PRESSURE IN THE WEST, THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT MARKET AND A DIFFERENT BUILDER AND A DIFFERENT, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE ARE, THE REGION IS CHANGING AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO MOVE OUT OF THE REGION.

AS YOU KNOW, COVID HAS CHANGED WORKING ENVIRONMENTS AND WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING AT HOME.

I THINK JUST GOOGLE IN GENERAL IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE MORE PRESSURE, MORE HOUSING IN BOTH THE EAST AND THE WEST.

LET ME PIGGYBACK ON THAT.

MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT VIEW THAN I ACTUALLY THINK THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIVE IN THE WESTERN PART THAT ARE CHOOSING THERE'S BARRIERS RIGHT NOW TO RURAL LIVING, WHICH ISN'T THE SERVICES THAT BARRIER IS BEING APPROVED.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

RIGHT? SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS EVEN IF WE

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WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS ACTUALLY WHAT I HEARD, WHICH I'M GLAD WE'RE CLARIFYING IS PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN THE RURAL, BUT I THINK THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE THAT DO, THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, BUT NOW THEY CAN'T.

SO IT'S OPENING IT UP.

YES, BUT NOT FOR DENSITY.

NO PEOPLE HAVE SAID I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 25 ACRES, BUT I NEED TO BE WITHIN 20 MINUTES OF WORK ONLINE.

ABOUT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THIS MAY SOUND CONTRARY TO ME KIND OF TRYING TO MAINTAIN GROWTH, BUT THE COST OF THE GROWTH IN THE COUNTY.

THEN I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND HEAVEN IS IMMATERIAL TO THEM, CORRECT? YOU HAVE SERVICES, YOU HAVE SOURCES THAT PEOPLE CAN ACCESS.

LIKE, HEY, I'LL HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO CHARLOTTESVILLE OR TO RICHMOND TO SHOP.

AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE GROWTH AREAS BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DISEASE, DIFFERENT TYPE.

AND YOU'RE ADDRESSING THAT SIDE.

JOHN, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T HAVE WHOLE FOODS AT MY HOUSE.

TWO, YOU'RE DELIVERING IT TWO HOURS.

I CAN GET OFF THE SCENE.

HERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS REAL QUICK.

IF YOU'RE IN A HOME BUSINESS, YOU NEED THE INTERNET AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CARRY THAT LOAD BUSINESS CAN MOVE ANYWHERE.

AND IF THE LAND PRICES ARE CHEAPER, YOU'RE LOWER YOUR COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

IT'S GOING TO DRIVE SOME, SOME MIGRATION.

NOW THAT MAKES IT ALL THAT.

AND I THINK YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT.

I SAW THAT TODAY, BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO BALANCE BUSINESS, RESIDENTIAL, WHY DO WE WANT TO BALANCE THAT? I'VE HEARD THE HEALTHY RATIO, 70, 30.

WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET.

WE'RE STILL PROBABLY 85.

70, 30 YET.

BUT WHY IS THAT A HEALTHY BALANCE? WELL, IF I, IF I BUILD A HOUSE AND I HAVE THREE KIDS, IT'S 10,000 PER TENANT SCOPE.

THAT'S 30,000 VERY FEW HOUSES, JEREMY AT 30,000 REAL ESTATE TAXES TO COVER THE COST OF THOSE TEXTS.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO OFFSET IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

AND THAT MIGHT BE A LARGER HOME WITH NO CHILDREN THAT OFFSETS THE COST OF SCHOOLS, OR IT MIGHT BE COMMERCIAL.

AND THAT HEALTHY BALANCE MEANS THAT COMMERCIAL, IT DOESN'T SEND ANY KIDS TO SCHOOL, CAN HELP COVER THEIR COSTS AND THOSE SCHOOLS THAT YOU'RE NOT.

SO THE HEALTHY BALANCE SPEEDS BALANCED TO WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE SEEING KIND OF PAYS FOR ITSELF ALL THERE.

YOU JUST LOG IT.

IF YOU DON'T BALANCE IT AND YOU HAVE 90 TABLETS AND A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL WITH A LOT OF KIDS AND NO OFFSET, YOU JUST GIVE YOUR BUILDING IN DYSFUNCTIONAL INEFFICIENCY THAT YOU JUST CAN'T COVER YOUR COSTS.

A LOT OF THEM, 63 OR 73 OR 83.

SO, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEALTHY BALANCE.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT HEALTHY DOES IS SUSTAINABLE KIND OF GROWTH THAT DOESN'T PUT PRESSURES ON A BOWL JOBS.

SO, SO WHAT DID WE DO IF THAT'S ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES IS BALANCED PROPOSED, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO DRIVE THAT, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT AND NOT LET A LOT OF ROOFTOPS GO UP WITH A LOT OF CHILDREN JUST OVERWHELMS THE SYSTEM.

IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO TRY TO BALANCE THAT IN SOME WAY TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.

OBJECTIVE NEEDS TO BE, FIGURE OUT HOW TO MANAGE PROCESS.

DO OTHER THINGS MANAGE THAT? WHETHER IT'S THROUGH ZONING, WHATEVER, BUT WHICH THAT SHOULD BE AN OBJECTIVE TO DO THAT.

UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A ROCK BAND SOMEPLACE BECAUSE THERE IS GOING TO GROW.

YOU JUST HAVE TO, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS WE'VE GOT TO GET IT DONE AND THE OBJECTIVE SHOULD BE, HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND MANAGE PROCESS OF 70 30.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT.

I KNOW REALTORS AND DEVELOPERS TELL US THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT LAND.

THEY WANT THE SMALL PLOTS.

IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL, THAT'S TRUE.

WHY DON'T WE HAVE ALL THE SMALL PROPERTIES PEOPLE WANT TO GET OUT OF THE POSTS BUYERS, BUT THEY'RE IN AND THEY KEEP MOVING OUT AS THE GROWTH GOES TOO.

SO I THINK IT IS TWO DIFFERENT BUYERS, BUT IT'S, I JUST THINK WE NEED, THAT SHOULD BE AN OBJECTIVE.

HOW DO YOU GET BROADBAND OUT THERE? HOW DO YOU MANAGE THAT GROWTH? I AGREE.

AND THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT FIGURE OUT HOW TO CRACK THAT NUT.

ONE THING, THINGS THAT TALKING ABOUT FOUNDS DEVELOPING THAT WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN

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SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING TO FOLKS ABOUT IS THE COST TO BUILD HERE AND OBJECTIVE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS CAN WE LOOK AT THE FEES AND DIFFERENT PERMITS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BUILD THEY'RE DRIVING UPON COSTS OR ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE HOME COST? JUST CONTINUING TO RISE? I THINK WE SAW THAT THE BEATING OF THE SALE OF A HOME IN GOOCHLAND FROM FOUR 90 IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR TO FIVE 40 OR FIVE 15.

I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE FEES THAT EVEN JUST TO REDUCE SOME STRESS FROM THE BUILDING, THE APARTMENT OF, HEY, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE INSPECT THAT OTHER TOWNIES ALLOW THIRD PARTIES TO INSPECT AND ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? WE COULD BE FILING EVERYTHING, BUT I DO THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS.

SO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE OTHER COUNTIES ALLOW THIRD PARTIES TO DO FOUNDATIONS, ESPECIALLY THAT RELIEVES PRESSURE FROM THEM AND JUST PROTECTED.

I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REVIEW THOSE THINGS THAT AT TIMES IT DEFINITELY PART OF ONGOING REVIEW EFFICIENCY.

IF THAT, IF THOSE FADES, YOU KNOW, CREATE BARRIERS, UH, TO CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT OR ARE THERE CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER, THE BARRIERS CAUSE ONE APPOINTMENT OR LESS OF IT.

I MEAN, IT'S ALL RIGHT, SO YOU SHOULD BE A BACK ONE SLIDE.

HOLD ON A SECOND.

WE GOT HAVING, WE GOT FIVE STRATEGIC.

SO AT WHAT TIME DID YOU WANT TO DO THAT FOR THIS SESSION? YOU WANT TO GET THROUGH IT? OKAY, GOOD.

WELL, WE STILL WE'LL WORK WITH THAT, BUT HOW COME NONE OF THESE GARDEN DIDN'T GIVE NONE HOW COME NONE OF THESE ARE UNDERLINED LIKE STRATEGIC GOALS.

ONE IS THAT, DOES THAT I'M ASKING ACTUALLY ALL OF THESE, ALL OF THESE JOBS, WE'VE DONE THEM ALL.

WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THEM ALL.

UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO.

SO, UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF AN ONGOING THING.

I GOT IT.

SAY THE SAME THING BEFORE YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T SEE ANY LIKE, HEY, WE REALLY, WE'RE NOT QUITE CLEAR YET.

I GOT IT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

SO SHE DIDN'T WANT THE RULE CONVENING.

WE HAVE NOT DONE THOSE PROMOTE LEGISLATION.

WELL, NO.

I MEAN, WE HAD AN AG COMMITTEE AT 1.5, SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, AND IT JUST KIND OF FELL APART.

WE MEAN, YES, EXACTLY.

WE NEED IT.

WE DID HAVE SOME IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES FROM THEM.

WE ADDED SOME USES, SOME AGRIBUSINESS USES.

WE ADDED SOME DEFINITIONS.

UM, THAT'S WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT, BUT I KNOW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALSO HAS A STRATEGIC GOAL TO START WORKING WITH THE AG COMMUNITY AND LOOKING AT TOTALLY.

THAT NEEDS TO BE TOTALLY REVAMPED.

AND UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE, WE'RE DOING MUCH GOOD STRUCTURE IN THAT DESIGN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

HAVE WE, IS THAT, IS THAT OVERLAP? YES.

I CERTAINLY THINK THAT FOR BOTH THE CENTER BUILDING AND THE COURTHOUSE, THAT SHOULD BE AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE A DATE ON THE OBJECTIVE FOR THE SENEGAL AND BUILDING.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE TIED TO JUST STUDY, RIGHT? YES.

STUDY TO STUDY YEP.

DATE THAT IT WILL START BECAUSE OVER A YEAR AGO WE WERE TALKING, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO IT IN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR OUT.

I KNOW NO BLAME STUFF ON COVID.

GOTCHA.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A DATE WE NEED TO BUILD.

MAYBE GIVE DONALD THE CURVE OCTOBER.

WE PLAN ON STARTING THE CENTERVILLE STUDY MORE ANTICIPATING IT'S ABOUT NINE.

IT COULD BE A NINE MONTH PROCESS.

UM, WHEN THAT'S COMPLETE OR ROLLING IN COURTHOUSE ABOUT THE SAME TIMEFRAME, THEN SPEED UP.

UM, AND THEN BY THAT POINT IT'S BE RIGHT MID 20, 23 AND GO BACK THE FULL COMP PLAN, KNOWING WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF THE BIG QUESTIONABLE AREAS ADDRESS, BUT THINGS LIKE WESTERN, THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY BROADBAND AND THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

ANYBODY MIGHT TAKE IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET IT ASSEMBLED, PLANNED OUT FOR ALL THE AREAS.

DRIVING AHEAD OF THAT HAS BEEN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REWRITE, WHICH WELL, IT'S A, WE HAVE A SMALL STAFF, WE HAVE A DIRECTOR AND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND ONE PLANNER.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEEN

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UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE SEEN, YOU KNOW, TWICE AS MANY APPLICATIONS AS WE HAVE BEEN SEEING.

UM, WE DO ALL OF OUR STUDIES IN HOUSE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST FINDING THE TIME, THE TIME PLEASE TELL US WHAT YOU NEED.

I THINK IS THE MESSAGE.

TELL US WHAT YOU NEED IF YOU NEED RESOURCES, BUT ALSO TALK ABOUT THE NATURE OF BUILDING AND NOT STAFFING UP.

OH YEAH.

I THINK WE CAN DEBATE THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT CONSIDER DEVELOPMENT THAT ADDRESSES ITS IMPACT.

UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS.

UH THAT'S UM, ACTUALLY YOU HAVE YOUR PROPER CAPITAL IMPACT, YOUR CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL, WHICH COST TO PROPERTIES.

AND I BELIEVE THAT'S, UM, WHO'S GETTING THAT IN PLACE AND GET THAT DONE.

WHERE'S THERE SOMETHING AND NOT EVEN PARKING WITH EDA, WAS THERE SOMETHING SPECIFIC YOU HAD IN MIND WHEN YOU DID THAT? OR IS THAT JUST A GENERAL, LIKE THINK THAT'S AN ONGOING, THAT'S AN ONGOING AT THE TIME THE NDA AND THE BOARD WAS WRESTLING WITH WHAT SHOULD BE THE FOCUS ON MY ROLE WAS THERE, WASN'T A LOT OF COORDINATION THERE AND A LITTLE BIT, LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO? AND WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP A KIND OF MISSIONS AND VISION FOR THAT.

DVA DIDN'T HAVE A WELL-DEFINED TOTAL FRONT EFFICIENT.

SO OUR MIXED USE ZONING.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE, WE CONSIDER THAT ALL RIGHT.

BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO GOING FORWARD TO DRIVE THAT BALANCE.

SO AGAIN, WITH NOTHING UNDERLINED, YOU'RE NOT THESE AREN'T GONNA ALL JUST DISAPPEAR, RIGHT? YEAH.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTIONS AREN'T HERE, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR US TO REALLY PUSH FORWARD, UH, MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY TO HELP OFFSET WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE RESIDENTIAL ROADS? UM, WELL WE HAVE WHENEVER WHERE WE WANT TO FOCUS OUR DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS AND BALANCES, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ONE OF THE THINGS TO DO IS CONTINUE TO MEASURE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT BALANCE AND SEE IF IT'S STARTING TO GET OUT OF BALANCE, TAKE SOME ACTIONS TO BRING IT BACK.

I HAVEN'T SEEN THE ANSWER SHE ASKED IN YOUR QUESTION, 70 30, WHERE 80, 20 ERIC.

THE ANSWER'S.

YES, BUT I THINK, I THINK WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS WHAT'S THE STRATEGY BECAUSE HAVE WE HAD A CASE EARLIER THIS MONTH THAT COMES IN AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO REZONE T M M M TWO AND B ONE, AND THE MESSAGE WAS THERE.

REPRESENTATION TO US AT THE MEETING WAS, HEY, WE GOT A CALL.

AS SOON, SOON AS YOU SAW, WE WERE DOING THIS, WE GOT A PHONE CALL AND SAY, HEY, IF THE ZONING IS APPROVED, WE'RE INTERESTED.

GIVE US A CALL.

SO, I MEAN, TO ME, THAT WAS A BIG SIGNAL, JUST LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO FACILITATE THAT? SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THAT THE PIECES ARE IN PLACE TO MAKE THE MOST OF THE ROLE ITSELF.

THAT WAS THE HOPE AS SUSAN SAID, THAT HAD A RESIDENTIAL PIECE.

OF COURSE, YES.

BUT THAT GOT INTO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION WE HAD ABOUT THE BUFFER AND WHATNOT.

BUT I THINK THE MESSAGE STAYS THE SAME, THAT IF THINGS HAPPENED THERE IN THAT AREA, THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET CALLS.

AND PERHAPS IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO GET CALLS IF THE ZONING IS IN PLACE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S TO ME WHAT HEART OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I AGREE WITH THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.

OF THE COUNTIES AND SUSPECTS.

IT SEEMS TO BE GOOD ANSWER.

WHEN WE DID THIS PLAN, THE COUNTY WAS 85 15 BY IMPLEMENTING ALL THOSE BULLETS TO GET TO 75, 25, MAYBE 75.

UM, YOU DON'T WANT TO OVERSHOOT, BUT, BUT SO BY DOING THAT, WE'VE GOTTEN TO WHERE WE ALREADY PUT THE NEEDLE ABOUT 5%

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BUT THE QUESTION IS NOW, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WE HAD A DEBATE AND WE CAN DEBATE THIS.

SHOULD WE CAN'T INITIATE REZONING OF PRIVATELY HELD LAND THERE.

THEY NEED TO REQUEST AND APPLY FOR A RESULT.

WE CAN RESOLVE IT WITHOUT YOU HAVE TO APPLY.

SO THE ONLY WAY TO RESOLVE SOMETHING KIND OF INVOLUNTARILY IS FOR THE COUNTY TO BUY LAND REZONING AND BUILD SPEC, AND THEN TRY TO STEAM IT.

WE HAD THE DEBATE ON THAT AND WHAT WE DECIDED WAS LAND SPECULATION REALLY WASN'T, YOU KNOW, A CORE FUNCTION OF GOVERNANCE.

SO WE PULLED BACK FROM PROACTIVELY JUST REZONING AND BUYING AND RESPECTING AND ALL THAT.

AND YOU DIDN'T DEVELOP IT WHEN WE'VE DONE THIS AND TRIED TO DO THINGS THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE IT AND REMOVE BARRIERS, CUT, DO WHATEVER WE COULD DO TO STIMULATE AND ENCOURAGE THE PRIVATE SECTOR YOU THAT HOLD UP SHORT.

SO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, WE'RE AT THE WHIP OF PRIVATE OWNERS THAT OWN THE LAND TO EITHER REZONE OR BUILD, OR YOU SUBMIT APPLICATIONS.

SO, BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ZONE LAD OR SPEC OFFICE SPACE.

THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF THAT.

WHAT DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DO WE STIMULATE THAT AND REPORT SHORT OF ACTUALLY DOING IT? SO I, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD BEFORE DO KIND OF MAKE THIS HAPPEN WHEN WE REALLY CAN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUT WE OUGHT TO HAVE A STRATEGY TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE AND REMOVE BARRIERS AND DO THINGS AND SET THE TABLE.

WE CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE SET THE TABLE.

I THINK THAT WAS THE QUESTION.

SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE, AND WE'LL LOOK AT, UH, ADDITIONAL BARRIERS THAT WE CAN REVIEW THAT ARE THERE ADDITIONAL BARRIERS THAT WE THREW IN THERE TO HELP FACILITATE, UH, DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR? UM, THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, FOR INSTANCE, THE RED SEA CAME UP WITH, WHY ARE YOU PAVING ALL THE PARKING PLACES OUT OF THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY FOR A CRAFT? PERFECT.

SO WE THEN A MINOR APPEAL PROCESS AND MADE IT CHEAPER, EASIER, BETTER.

SO WE CAN LOOK AT, SO JUST, JUST HERE QUICKLY, WE DID WORK VERY WELL THERE.

I THINK ON ALL OF OUR METRICS, UM, HE'S 70, 30, OR I'VE ALREADY STARTED EATING.

WE STARTED 85, 15 WITHOUT HOPING FOR THAT TARGET IS 80 20.

WELL, THAT WAS OUR, THAT WAS OUR TARGET.

AS I READ THROUGH EVERYTHING WAS TO GET, TO GET TO 80 20.

AND THEN BEYOND THAT, THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET TO THAT 70 30.

SO TO CHANGE A 5% DIFFERENCES IS HUGE.

THREE 30 IS SORT OF A NATIONAL THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PLANNING STANDARD, BUT WE ARE SO UNIQUE BECAUSE OUR HOUSING COSTS ARE SO MUCH HIGHER FOR US TO GET TO THE 70, 30.

IT REALLY IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER COMMUNITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, UH, 80 20 IS, IS GOOD.

WE COULD ALWAYS DO BETTER, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT A, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T FIT THE MOLD OF ALL THE NATIONAL.

IT'S A GOOD POINT.

WE'RE NOT TECHNICAL IN THAT RESPECT.

SO WHILE 70 30, MAYBE A NATIONAL AVERAGE AND SOMETHING THAT HAVE IN THE BACK OF OUR MINDS, I THINK REALISTICALLY, IF WE GOT SOMEWHERE IN THE SEVENTIES, MID SEVENTIES, ANYWHERE, THERE'S SOME DEGREE OF HEALTHY COUNTIES, ET CETERA KNOW, BUT I THINK ANYWHERE IN THE MID SEVENTIES, ANYWHERE IN THERE, THERE'S NO ONE READ NOTHING.

IT WAS JUST, LET'S DO THIS, LET'S DO THIS.

LET'S TAKE A SECOND.

ABOUT FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND START TAGGING STRATEGIC GOAL.

NUMBER THREE, TURN THE BODY.

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GOOD.

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ALL RIGHT.

SO LET'S PICK UP, UH, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO A LITTLE BIT.

THAT'S IN FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AND I'LL ASK ACTUALLY, BARBARA TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE FIRST 50 BULLETS THERE.

WE DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT IT.

WE ACTUALLY DO THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE DID THEN, BUT SO I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T GONE THERE.

IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, ASPECTS THAT WE, THAT WE DO DIFFERENTLY.

WE COULD CUT IT UP.

SO WE DON'T ADOPT THE TWO YEAR BUDGET.

WE ADOPT YEAR BUDGET.

WE, UM, IN THE BUDGET, BOTH, WE DO PRESENT A SECOND YEAR, BUT WE DON'T REALLY PUT A LOT OF FOCUS

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ON IT.

UM, AND WE ALSO IN THE BUDGET BOOK PRESENT A FIVE-YEAR PLAN, BUT IN AN IDEAL WORLD, AND MAYBE NEXT YEAR, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT MORE FOCUS ON THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY WILL HELP US.

THERE ARE THINGS WE KNOW, WE KNOW THE STAFFING PLANS AS A FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE ARE, WE KNOW THE STAFFING PLANS OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

UM, YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE KNOW DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ARE GONNA HAVE TO GROW.

WE KNOW HEALTHCARE COSTS ARE GONNA GO UP EVERY YEAR, SO WE CAN'T GUESS HOW MUCH, BUT YOU KNOW, UM, BUT YEAH, WHY CAN'T WE JUST LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IS, IS WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR A FIVE-YEAR DEGREE.

SO HOPEFULLY, UM, I WILL HAVE A TIME THIS NEXT YEAR OR TWO TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND OF COURSE WITH THE SECOND ONE WE ARE NOW WE HAVE A 25 YEAR CAPITAL GROUP.

SO WE SHOULD ALSO UPDATE THAT ONE AS WELL.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

IF YOU COULD LET ME JOIN THE YEAR OVER YEAR, MAYBE TWO YEARS OF HISTORY, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF PRE COVID INCOME RATHER THAN JUST COME IN ANYTIME.

RATE AND TALK A LOT ABOUT THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATES THEN, BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S OTHER COMPONENTS.

AND WE DON'T DO A LOT OF LOOKING BACK TO SEE WHAT OUR TRENDS ARE AND THINGS.

AND THEN WE USUALLY JUST DON'T FOCUS ON THAT ONE YEAR.

SO THAT WOULD BE A HEALTHY EXERCISE.

SO ANYTHING HERE THAT YOU THINK YOU SEE THAT COMES TO MIND THAT WE CAN DRIVE TO DO THIS BETTER? ACTUALLY, THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS I THINK WE HAVE REALLY EXCELLED IN AS A COUNTY AND ACTUALLY A LOT OF OTHER COUNTIES LOOK TO US AND SAY, HOW THE HECK ARE YOU GUYS ABLE TO DO IT? AND I THINK WE'RE DOING WELL.

THE RESERVE FUNDS FOR OUR POTENTIAL FUTURE, UH, YOUR CHALLENGES VERY WELL THERE.

UM, MOST PLACES WOULD BE HEAVIEST WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

I STILL THINK AN OBJECTIVE 2.2 SHOULD BE ADDING SOMETHING ABOUT MONITOR.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE RIGHT WORD, BUT THERE'S EXPENSES.

UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

I MEAN, THERE, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA PLAY INTO STUFF BECAUSE COSTS CONTINUE TO ESCALATE TO BETTER FORECASTING.

UM, UH, I DO.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

I DON'T THINK WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IT COSTS THIS MUCH TO DO IT TODAY AND THEN THAT'S THE NUMBER OF REVIEWS FOR THE NEXT WEEK.

WE NEED TO BUILD THAT MORE AND THAT'S NOT FOR JUST, YOU KNOW, FILL THESE QUARTET SCHOOLS, WHATEVER IT'S ALSO TRANSPORTATION.

RIGHT? SO BASICALLY LOOK AT POTENTIAL OR ESCALATOR, UM, WITHIN OUR PEER TO PEER IT PERIODICALLY REVIEW OR REVISIT THE OVERLAP OR WHATEVER OKAY.

SORRY.

I HAD A QUESTION.

CAN YOU, THE SECOND LAST BULLET PROMOTE DIVERSIFICATION OF THE TAXPAYERS, RIGHT.

AND HOW DOES IT TIE IT TO HER SINCE THE BALANCE WE GOT SOUTH OF MARSHAWN, IF I COULD JUST, UH, HOW THAT SHOWED UP, UM, 10 YEARS AGO, UH, THE VALUE OF THE TCFC DISTRICT ASSESSED VALUE WAS 600 AND OUR SINGLE LARGEST EMPLOYER OR A LOT OF THE OTHERS.

IF WE HAD LOST VULNERABLE, CINDY SAID THAT SIX, 7.4 BILLION.

SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF THE DIVERSIFICATION AWAY FROM THE CONCENTRATION OR THE INDIVIDUAL KEY MAN RISK.

IN THIS CASE, WE HAD TO DIVERSIFY AWAY FROM THEM.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

A LOT OF THESE ARE CONTINUED, CONTINUE, EASY WAYS TO MEASURE THAT AS THE TOP 10 TAX PROVIDERS, TOP 10 EMPLOYERS, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR OVERALL IS IT THE TOP 10 OR TOP FIVE? YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A CONCENTRATION RISK, THAT'S A RICH.

SO WE WANT TO DIVERSIFY AND THIS KIND OF GOES BACK DOWN THERE.

SO WHEN YOU HAD YOUR, ONE OF YOUR SLIDES SHOW THE REAL ESTATE TAX

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AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST PICTURE OF TAX SPACE.

I KNOW WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE RELYING ON REAL ESTATE, BUT IS THERE ANY ELEMENT OF DIVERSIFICATION THAT WE COULD LOOK AT, UM, IN THE CONTEXT OF TYPE OF TAX? THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE I DIVERSIFICATION, THE REASON WE GOT THERE INITIALLY WAS LIKE CONCENTRATION OF RISK.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, YOU BROUGHT IT TO LOOK AND SAID, OKAY, TAX BASE TO FIND A MORE GENERIC.

THERE WE ARE A TAX, BUT DIVERSIFIED BY MY SOURCE OF TAXES, CONCENTRATION IN THE METRO.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE CONSTRAINED FOR CIRCUMSTANCE.

WE CAN'T CHARGE IT TOBACCO TAXES.

THE LIST OF THINGS ARE 10 AND THAT'S IT.

WELL, BUT EVEN, EVEN I'M JUST TALKING MAYBE EVEN A SHIFT OF RENT, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT OUR BREAK, I KNOW THAT'S THE PRIMARY SOURCE, BUT I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND WE DID IT WHEN WE DO OUR BUDGET.

WE LOOK AT OTHER BREAKS AND WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN UNFORTUNATE PROPERTY LEVEL.

SO I JUST WOULD SAY THAT'S BROADER THAN JUST BUSINESS RISK.

YES, EXACTLY.

THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE OCCUPANCY TAX.

WE NOW HAVE A HOTEL WHERE WE DIDN'T BEFORE.

SO NOW WE'VE GOT AN, I CAN ACTUALLY TEXT.

SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIVERSIFICATION BY TYPE OF SOURCES.

THAT'S DIVERSIFICATION OF BOTH TAX PAYERS AND TAX.

YOU'VE BEEN SLOW TO ADD NEW TYPES OF THINGS AND UNDERSTAND THE BELIEF THAT THE DIVERSIFICATION ELEMENTS CAUSE REAL ESTATE GOES DOWN.

AND WHEN YOU HIT YOUR BACK TAXES, YOU DIDN'T MAKE PEOPLE OUT OF MONEY, BUT WE HAVE ENOUGH WITH ANOTHER BASE.

IF YOU'VE GOT THAT, NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOAT UP AND DOWN SOMETIMES EVEN AGAINST EACH OTHER, IT LEVELS OUT THE INCOME.

IT MADE SOME GOOD POINT THAT A LOT OF ATTACKS LIKE, UH, THERE'S A HIGH CORRELATION WITH THE ECONOMIC SIDE.

DURING, DURING TIMES WE QUITE A LOT OF PERMITS AND THE APPLICATION PIECE DEVELOPED GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT AND REAL ESTATE.

WE DON'T.

SO MOST GOVERNMENTS DON'T DO WHAT A LOT OF BUSINESSES DO.

WHAT I CALL REVERSE CYCLE PLANNING TIME, PREPARE FOR THE BAD TIMES, BAD TIMES.

GOOD TIMES.

WE'RE WAITING TO, WERE THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS, UM, CHOOSING TO GO FOR IT, THE EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY AND COMMUNITY HEALTH, UM, SUPPORT ALL THE EDUCATION, ANYTHING IN THE EDUCATION FRONT LACK OF UNDERLINING MEANS Y'ALL Y'ALL BELIEVE WE, THEY'RE MORE OF ONGOING IN THIS, IN THIS CASE.

AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? WELL, THERE ARE THE GOOD TIMES YOU CAN BUILD YOUR RESERVES.

YOU PAY DOWN YOUR DEBT, YOU DO THINGS TO GET READY FOR THE DOWNTURN.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST WAS THE GOOD TIMES BY VEHICLES OR YOUR AVERAGE FILES ON PER VEHICLE.

SO THAT DURING THE DOWNTURN, YOU JUST SPEND CAPITAL PURCHASES AND RUN THE BOTTLES BACK UP.

SO THAT'S GOING TO CONSERVE CAPITAL DURING THE DOWNTURN.

SO THAT REVERSE CYCLE PLANNING IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO A LITTLE BIT OF HERE, WHICH A LOT OF GOVERNMENTS DON'T DO ANY OF IT, BUT IT HELPS SOFTEN THE BLOW.

SO DON'T STAFF UP DURING THE GOOD TIMES AND THEY'VE GOT SALARIES, YOU'VE GOT SUPPORT DURING DOWNTIME.

SO HE HAD TO HAVE A FIRE.

LET'S NOT DO THAT.

THAT'S NOT HIRE FIRE, HIRE FIRE, LET'S KEEP A STEADY PACE.

AND THEN WE'LL BE GOOD.

WE'LL LOOK FOR WAYS TO OUTSOURCE WOMEN DURING THE UP TIMES SO WE CAN EXPECT ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE.

BUT THEN DURING THAT TIME, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT TO DIVERSIFY, BUT THEN ALSO PLAN THROUGH THE CYCLE BECAUSE THERE IS A CORRELATION BETWEEN THEM.

THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF WE WENT INTO THIS 10 YEARS AGO, WHEN YOU BUY OUR SCOOPS, YOU BUILD THEM ALL WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME TO OPEN.

I'LL BE ABLE TO SLEEP A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME, CERTAIN NUMBER BY 25, 2015, UH, FIRETRUCKS DON'T COME UP.

SO IT'S PLANNING THROUGH THOSE CYCLES THAT YOU'RE NOT SETTING A FUTURE BUILD UP TO JUST SMOOTH IT OUT, SMOOTH IT OUT.

HERE'S WHERE YOU ARE.

UM, FOR YOUR MEASURES, YOU KNOW, 30% OF THE ACQUITTED, A GENERAL FUND BALANCE DEBT SERVICE, 5.6, 2% TARGET WAS AS TO STAY BELOW 10%, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE, UH, WORDS AND CREDIT RATING.

OBVIOUSLY.

UM, MOST PEOPLE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD FOR THE THIRD BOND RATING THIS FALL.

SO I THINK WE'RE,

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UM, WE, WE ACTUALLY NOT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, OUR SIZE DO NOT DO ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE DO.

SO, SO SORRY.

CAN WE GO BACK TO THE STREET FOR ONE SECOND? I JUST WANT TO THROW SOMETHING OUT.

DO WE WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORDSMITH IT, BUT SOMETHING AROUND THERE'S A LOT OF REGIONAL DOLLARS NOW BECOMING AVAILABLE.

WE WANT TO ADDRESS ANYTHING OF HOW WE MANAGE THOSE DOLLARS.

WHAT WOULD YOU GO AFTER YOU DON'T GO AFTER THEM THAT BELONGING HOW, WHAT OUR PHILOSOPHY.

THERE'S GOOD REASONS FOR THE FROZEN CONSTITUTES TO ALL OF IT AS YOU BEING DELIBERATE ABOUT HOW WE MANAGE OR HOW WE .

OH, OKAY.

REGIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.

AND THEN DETERMINING WHICH ONES WE WANT TO PURSUE AND WHICH WE DON'T REGIONAL STATE, FEDERAL.

AND WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO DEVELOP A STRATEGY THAT THE STRATEGY, BUT THEY CAN KIND OF OUTLINE THAT AND KIND OF GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

READY TO GO? UH, IT SAYS BULLET CONTINUE AUDIT FOR PENDING NEW CHANGES AND FINANCING.

MR. NEIL, WHERE DOES YOUR PIECE FIT IN? I THINK IT'S UNDER, WELL, I THINK PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE OPERATING PLAN WANT TO START PROBABLY, BUT UM, WE'LL BRING THAT OUT.

ANOTHER OBJECTIVE YOU THINK IT MIGHT GET FROM ANOTHER OBJECTIVE? YEAH, BUT THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ONE BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE THINGS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES WHERE HE TALKED ABOUT 3 MILLION, WELL THERE'S MONEY FOR BROADBAND VISITORS COMING THROUGH A SHORT PERIOD WHERE WE GOT A LETTER FROM OUR DELEGATE IN WASHINGTON TALKING ABOUT MONEY.

THAT WAS AN L THAT IT DIDN'T GET TO THE COUNTY.

AND ALSO IT DIDN'T GET TO SOME OF OUR PARTNERS WHO BROUGHT DOWN.

SO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IT'S IDENTIFYING JUST DON'T ASSUME THAT COUNTY STAFF IS GETTING THE SAME EMAILS THAT WE GOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T ALWAYS, SO IF YOU GET SOMETHING FORWARD SO THAT, UM, SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE, IT'S ALWAYS A QUESTION BACK TO NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER FOUR, EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY AND COMMUNITY HEALTH.

SO SUPPORT PARTNERSHIPS WITH JSR TC, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT? J SARGE? YEAH.

SO ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRAUD, UM, WE HAVE BEEN PARTYING WITH THEM AND THE SCHOOL SCHOOL BOARD ON THE TECHNICAL TRAINING ASPECT, UM, AND BRINGING THEM.

SO ACTUALLY WE HAVE ONE OF A FEW, I THINK THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAD JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, CASEY HIGHLIGHTED, UH, WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH OUR STUDENTS WITHIN THE HIGH SCHOOL.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT POINTS TO, BUT ACTUALLY GSR HAS ALSO HAS THIS VERY STRATEGIC INITIATIVES AHEAD ON CERTAIN INDUSTRIES, VERY TARGETED INDUSTRIES, UM, PARTICULARLY CONSTRUCTION, UH, I BELIEVE HEALTHCARE, THERE'S A FEW, FEW OTHERS, UH, HOSPITALITY, UM, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PARK IN THE FALL.

ME, THERE WAS TALK YEARS AGO ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE RIGHT NOW AND THEY'VE COMMITTED TO KEEPING OUR CAMPUS GOING.

HAVE YOU MET WITH THE PRESIDENT OF ? I MEAN, NOT COVID THIS, AGAIN,

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I HOPE THAT'S THE CASE, BUT I THINK THERE, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO DIRECTLY PARTNER MORE THAN JUST DOING IT THROUGH THE SCHOOLS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE'S DIFFERENT NEW PROGRAMS THAT THEY'RE BRINGING ON THAT, THAT REALLY PUT INVOLVED IN THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT THIS COULD BE YOUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, TALKING TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHAT TYPES OF SKILLS ARE COMPANIES LOOKING FOR THE GAPS THEY CAN DO THAT THERE'S ALSO THE DUAL DEGREE PROGRAM.

THEY GET ASSOCIATES ALL THROUGH THE SCHOOLS WHERE IT WAS CALLED THE CAPTAIN.

SO THERE'S POTENTIAL, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOT HERE AND I DON'T KNOW, FINANCE OR EDUCATION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COORDINATING WITH STATE AND FEDERAL.

YOU'VE HEARD THE NUMBERS EVIDENTLY OVER HALF THE SCHOOLS IN VIRGINIA, A PART OF MY SCHOOL WAS AROUND 50 YEARS OLD AND A LOT OF COUNTIES ARE NOT IN OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION TO BE ABLE TO BUILD NEW SCHOOLS.

SO THE STATE IS RECOGNIZING THAT.

SO THEY'VE DROPPED THE TRINET THIS YEAR, POTENTIALLY FUNDING UPDATE, MAINTAIN, BUILD NEW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL.

SO SOMEWHERE IN HERE, THERE MAY BE BY ACCESSING STATE, FEDERAL CONSTRUCTION BUDGETS WERE ENVIABLE POSITION TO BE ABLE TO FILL IN THIS A LOT OF PRESSURE BUILDING OUT.

SO SOMEWHERE IN HERE, EDUCATION SUPPORT, FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

OBVIOUSLY THIS FIRE STATION SIX, DELETE THAT ONE, PUT IN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE COMING UP FOR.

STATION TWO DISTRICT TWO, BEFORE WE MOVE TOO FAR OFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE GOAL THREE WORDS OR THREE, RIGHT.

I FEEL LIKE SINCE WE FUND THE SCHOOLS, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF OBJECTIVE THAT WE'RE JUST THE RIGHT WAY, THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH, HOW THINGS ARE BEING SPENT, TRANSPARENCY, TRANSPARENCY TO US.

SO I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE, MAKE SURE THERE'S THE BULLETED OBJECTIVE.

IF THERE'S, WELL, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO WORK WITH OUR COUNTY SIDE, AS FAR AS TRANSPARENCY, FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND STEWARDSHIP, WE'RE ASKING THE SAME THINGS AT THE SCHOOLS AND HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

SO IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN SUPPORT THE SCHOOL BOARD STRATEGIC PLAN? , , FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING SO LARGEST EXPENDITURE.

WE NEED TO HAVE THAT WERE IN SCHOOLS.

I MEAN, EVEN THIS IS AN ARTICLE DR.

LANEY, THIS IS BEMOANING THE FACT THAT THESE FEDERAL COVID DOLLARS COMING INTO THE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO FORCE THEM TO REPAIR AND UPGRADE EXISTING SCHOOLS AND NOT ALLOW THEM TO BUILD NEW SCHOOLS.

SO IT'S MONEY THROWN AT OLD SCHOOLS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ABANDON IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THERE, YOU GOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT WORK.

SO IT WAS, HOW IS THAT ALL EXACTLY.

BUT, UH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON WITH THEM.

IT'S LIKE REPLACING, YOU KNOW, UH, AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS, TAKING CARPET TO TILE, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE COVID KINDS OF THINGS ON SCHOOLS THAT WE FULLY INTEND TO ADVANTAGE.

SO HOW THEY HANDLE ALL THAT IS, UM, YES, SIR.

UM,

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I WAS ALL THAT ACTUALLY MANAGED.

I'M HEARING, UH, THE TRANSPARENCY, THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE SCHOOLS, HOW THEY USE, SPEND THEIR MONEY.

I MEAN, THAT'S A NICE BROAD TERM.

THAT MIGHT MEAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

WHAT IS MEANT BY THE SCHOOL BUILDINGS IS .

THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN THAT THEY WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ONE AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE ZONING WHERE YOU WANT IT, BUT YOU CAN'T FORCE IT.

YOU WANT HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION, BUT YOU CAN'T FORCE IT IN FRONT OF A SUDDEN, WE WANT TO KNOW ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY, BUT WE REALLY CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS ON WHERE TO PUT THE TEACHERS TO HIRE WHEN THEY'RE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

AND YET WE'RE IN A FACILITATOR ROLE.

I THINK THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY ARE ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT, BUT WE'RE KIND OF A SUPPORT ROLE HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THE BOARD DOES TODAY THAT PROVIDES A LEVEL OF THAT ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY WITHIN WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO IS THAT THE SCHOOL'S BUDGET GETS APPROVED CATEGORICALLY AND WHEN THEY WANT TO BUY IT.

AND SO INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM THIS TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT SPENT AT YOU SEE FIT, THEIR DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE BROKEN INTO THEIR MAJOR PIECES.

AND THEN WHEN THEY WANT TO TRANSFER FROM ONE CATEGORY TO ANOTHER, THAT'S WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU.

AND SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LEVEL, BUT AGAIN, WITHIN WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO SINCE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TELL THEM HOW TO SPEND IT, THAT IS ONE TOOL YOU CURRENTLY USE, BUT I SUGGEST THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.

I SUGGEST THAT WE NEED TO KNOW MORE WHAT'S UNDERLYING THOSE EXPENSES, RIGHT? UM, EXACTLY.

THIS IS PART OF OUR, THIS IS OUR CORE VALUES.

IT'S OUR LARGEST EXPENDITURE.

WITH THEM FOR WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS, WORKFORCE GAPS.

AND WHEN MONEY IS SPENT, TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE SPENT ON READING MATERIALS THAT THE SCHOOL SAY IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE, BUT IT'S SLIPPED THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

UH, THAT'S THE STUFF WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CATCH PARTNERSHIPS WITH SERGEANT RONALD.

SO I THINK THIS TIES IN WITH THE HOUSING REPORT THAT WAS GIVEN TO US, WE DO ADDRESS IDENTIFYING, GETTING EDO INVOLVED, WHO ARE THEY TALKING WITH? WHO ARE THEY LOOKING TO BRING ON? WHAT SKILL SETS DON'T WE HAVE IN GOOCHLAND TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS? AND IT CAN HELP US IF THERE, IF THEY CAN TELL US WHAT KIND OF EDUCATION THEY NEED FOR THE PEOPLE THEY'RE TALKING TO, THAT WE CAN GET J SERGEANT REYNOLDS TO PREPARE STUDENTS FOR SO THAT THEY WILL COME.

AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER LOCALITIES ARE, ARE WORKING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

BUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE HOUSING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, INCOME RATES ARE LOWER IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY.

HOW CAN WE EDUCATE THOSE PEOPLE TO GET A BETTER JOB, MAKE MORE MONEY BY BRINGING IN THE RIGHT PEOPLE? UM, THE JRS SERGEANT RENTALS CAN EDUCATE SO WE CAN BRING IN THE COMPANIES TO MAKE THAT MAP.

YEAH, OF COURSE.

I'M HARDING STYLE INTERNET, RIGHT? YEAH.

MAYBE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT WAS THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS, WHICH HAS GIVEN BIRTH BECAUSE BLACKSTONE AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS, THEY NEED FOLKS THAT CAN DRIVE BULLDOZERS THE SIZE OF THIS BUILDING.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THEY DONATED SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT.

SO IT'S KIND OF A PARTNERSHIP

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UM, SO WE ARE GENERATING PEOPLE INTO POSITIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE RATHER THAN JUST, IF WE'RE BRINGING IN ROBOTICS BEFORE WE'RE BRINGING IN ROBOTICS, UH, FACTORIES, UH, FOR DISTRIBUTION AND WHATNOT, DO WE HAVE AN EDUCATED WORKFORCE THAT CAN GO GET THAT JOB? BECAUSE THAT JOB PAYS A LOT MORE THAN MINIMUM WAGE, A LOT MORE THAN $15 AN HOUR.

SO WHEN WE SAW FROM THE PRESENTATION FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORKFORCE, EITHER NUMBER TWO, OR NUMBER THREE THINGS IN A COMPANY EDO WITH THE PARTNERSHIP WITH J SERGEANT REYNOLDS AND THE COUNTY PRESIDENT OVER THERE, THIS, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN ROTATIONS AND WHATNOT HERE WITH DOLL IS VERY PROACTIVE AND IMAGINATION AND IMAGINARY AND WHAT SHE WANTS TO BRING IN HERE.

AND I THINK SHE WILL FIGHT THOSE AT TIMES.

THINGS THAT WILL NUMBER ONE, KEEP THE SCHOOL HERE AND WILL BENEFIT THE COUNTY.

LET'S GO ON TO, UM, COMMUNITY SAFETY, 4.1 FOR WE PUT REVIEWS, SCHOOL BOARDS PLAN.

I'M THINKING OF THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY.

SURE.

LAST MAY AND THAT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE.

OKAY, GOOD.

DO YOU WANT TO DO THERE? UM, THIS IS QUITE A BIT THERE WE'VE INCREASED OUR EQUIPMENT.

UM, BOTH FIRE IN, UH, SHERIFF CAPITAL AS WELL AS THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY THERE IS AROUND AND WE HAVE THE RADIO PIECE.

I FEEL LIKE THERE'S WORK THAT COULD BE DONE TO EITHER EDUCATE FOLKS TO WHEN THINGS ARE HAPPENING, UM, THAT ARE EMERGENCIES CARAVAN.

CONTINUE TO PROMOTE THAT LIKE, LIKE MORE OF A COMMUNITY EXERCISES, JUST MORE OF A SOMETHING'S GOING WRONG.

WHERE DO I, WHERE DO I, WHERE ARE YOU MY INFORMATION? BECAUSE SOMEBODY, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE PUBLIC SIRENS ARE GOING OFF THURSDAY OUTSIDE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I STARTED GETTING CALLS.

SO JUST A WAY FOR CITIZENS TO PLUG IN EMERGENCIES.

OKAY, MR. HOW TO PHRASE THAT, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE? WE HAVE 4.2 FOR MY TEAM.

IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO OUR FIRE TRAINING.

DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE BULLETS DOWN AND TALKS ABOUT THAT STUFF, BUT LOCATE AND OR RELOCATE EXISTING, UH, FIREHOUSES TO DISTRICT TO RELOCATING COMPANY TO DISTRICT THREE.

SO JUST CONTINUED RATIONALIZATION VOCATIONS TO SUPPORT AND DELIVER HIGH QUALITY SERVICES IS AN OBJECTIVE TO ENHANCE COUNTY EMPLOYEE BARS NOW ENHANCE AND ADD STAFF AND SAY OUT TO THE COUNTY.

I MEAN, WE'VE RUN INTO PROBLEMS WITH DONALD PETER'S FIRST BULLSHIT.

MR. PROVIDED COVERAGE, COME FROM VOLUNTEER TO SAVINGS ACCOUNT.

IT DOESN'T THEN WE'D HAVE TO HIRE IT.

BUT THE IDEA IS YOU NEED COVERAGE.

ACTUALLY, I GUESS WE SAY IMPROVE, I GUESS THAT'S MEASURED WITH THIS LAST TIME.

SO YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SHOW UP.

WHAT ABOUT, WHAT I KEEP THINKING ABOUT IS IS OUR TRAINING FACILITIES AND TRAINING FOR YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AROUND.

WE HAVE TRAINING FOR DISASTERS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SHOOTING RANGE OR WE FIND OUT A SHERIFFS HAVE TO GO OUT TO SHOOT AT THEIR HOUSE OR SOMEPLACE ELSE, OR WE NEED

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I UNDERSTAND WE USED TO BE PRETTY MUCH A HUB WHERE PEOPLE WOULD COME AND DO FIRE TRAINING.

WE'VE KIND OF LET THAT GO BY THE WAYSIDE.

I WAS LIKE, JUST TO SEE, SEE US BE INDEPENDENT AND HAVE THE ABILITY OR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY TO TRAIN HERE.

AND WE, WE AREN'T DOING IT, BUT THEY DO SOME, BUT IT'S MAYBE NOT ENOUGH PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING.

YOU SAID WE USED TO BE A HUB, BUT WE DRAW OTHER PEOPLE .

BUT NOW WE ARE NOW BECAUSE WE RELY ON A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS EARLIER, NO COLLABORATIVE.

OH, OF COURSE NOT.

IN THE EARLIER YEARS, THEIR FIRE TRAINING CENTER WAS PREMIER IN THE REGION.

OTHER JURISDICTIONS TRAVEL HERE TO TRAIN.

WE HAD A STATE OF THE ART BURN BUILDING THE RIGHT THINGS THERE.

IN FACT, I JUST GOT SOME, SOME MORE HISTORICAL INFORMATION LAST NIGHT, UH, FROM THAT ERA OF TOWN, IT WAS JUST SHED A LOT OF LIGHT ON WHAT WE COULD DO THEN.

AND YOU KNOW, OUR TRAINING CENTER HAS GOTTEN RUN DOWN AND THE TRAINING CENTER IS IN DISREPAIR AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON THE BURN BUILDING NOW.

AND WE DON'T THINK IT'S HONESTLY THE RIGHT SPOT FOR THE FUTURE.

WE NEED MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WEYBRIDGE TO MOVE AND SPREAD OUT.

SO WE DO HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT IN THE CIP.

AND I WOULD BE SAD IF YOU WERE TO PUT THAT ON YOUR LIST HERE, THAT THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER WAS A PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER FOR BOTH FIRE AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND MAYBE ANIMAL PROTECTION, UH, THAT WAS SENT A STRONG MESSAGE.

AND I KNOW EVERY MEMBERS WOULD READ THAT AND CLEARLY SEE THE PRIORITY IS THERE.

NOW WE'RE FIXING WHAT WE HAVE NOW.

AND $750,000 IN THE CFE FOR NEXT YEAR.

AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT WILL GO.

AND SO I'M EXCITED FOR HIM AS REQUIRED, BUT HE NEVER MONEY UP.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, UH, THERE IS A LARGE DOLLARS, 8 MILLION LOOKING OUT SEVERAL YEARS INTO THE FUTURE, TRYING TO FIND A NEW LOCATION.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOCATED RELOCATE INDIVIDUAL FIREHOUSE.

WE DO INCLUDE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER IN THAT LOCATION.

YOU MEAN? YES, SIR.

AND YOU KNOW, WE WERE DOING REALLY WELL.

UM, AND WE DO NEED TO MR. SHARP'S POINT, WE DO NEED MORE FIRE STAFFING, UH, AND EMS STAFFING ON THE SCENE TO HANDLE THE CALLS THAT I MENTIONED THE OTHER DAY, THAT WE HAVE A, UM, INCREASING OUR CALL BY THAT IS THAT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 16 AND 23%, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE 2020 WAS A SLOWER BUSY HERE.

AND SO, UM, THESE CALLS, HORRIBLE PEOPLE WOULD GO, BUT YOU GET TO A POINT, YOU CAN'T DEVELOP YOUR STAFF.

IF YOU CAN'T TRAIN THEM AND YOU GOTTA KEEP THEM TRAINED.

AND RETENTION IS THEIR ISSUE.

ALSO RETENTION, VOLUNTEER RETENTION, AND ALSO CAREER RETENTION AND VOLUNTEERS, UH, AVERAGE FOR VOLUNTEER SERVICE IS KIND OF LESS THAN FIVE YEARS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT GOES ON ACROSS THE STATE AND ACROSS THE NATION, BUT IN THE CAREER WORLD, WE'RE IN A CIVIL SITUATION WE'RE COMPETING FOR SHARE AND CHESTERFIELD AND THEY'RE UP IN THEIR SALARIES.

AND IF WE HAD TWO OR THREE PEOPLE LEAVE TO GO TO ONE OF THOSE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, WE'D HAVE TO CLOSE THE FIRE STATION WITH CAREER STAFF.

CAUSE WE COULDN'T STAB AT 24 SEVEN.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS DRIVEN THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT WHEN THE INSURANCE SERVICES OFFICE REVIEWS POPULATION VERSUS PAID STAFF, HOW TO RESPONSE TIMES AND EQUIPMENT, IF WE HAD DOWNGRADED, ABSOLUTELY IT CAN COST EVERY RESIDENT FOUR TO $500 A YEAR IN INSURANCE PREMIUMS. SO THAT'S THE CONSEQUENCES FOR NOT DOING THAT? NO, I WANT TO FOLLOW ABOUT WHAT I MEANT WHEN I SAY CLOSE A FIRE STATION, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS AND WE HAVE CAREER PERSONNEL.

IF WE HAD THREE, TWO OR THREE PEOPLE TO LEAVE AND GO TO ANOTHER JURISDICTION, THEY MAY NOT HAVE CAREER PERSONNEL IN THAT FIRE STATION FOR 24 SEVEN, WE WOULD BE BACK TO OUR PREVIOUS MODEL OF BUSINESS.

AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T GO BACK THERE.

SO THEN THE COMPANY EFFECTED OUR ISO.

I, I WOULD GO SO FAR AS TO, HOW DID YOU SAY WE WERE THE PREMIER FIRE? IT WAS A CAREER FIRE.

LOOKING AT IT, THEY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO TALK.

I WOULD LIKE TO GET, I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK TO THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE A TON OF BENEFITS.

I THINK, I THINK THE WAY TO DO THAT IS PROBABLY A REASONABLE COOPERATION AS WELL.

THERE'S A LOT OF FACILITIES OUT THERE NOW THAT ARE REALLY NICE, LIKE YOUR CHESTERFIELD, BUT YOU KNOW, GET BACK TO THE POOL.

WE HAVE THE FACILITY.

AND WHEN YOU GET BACK TO THAT POINT, YOU CAN GET MORE STATE FUNDING AND MORE SUPPORT PROGRAMS THAT UP-TO-DATE FIRST STEP ON THAT YOU MENTIONED, YOU MAY NEED TO IDENTIFY AND IDENTIFY THE LOCATION AND FUND THAT PURCHASE OF THAT LAND.

JUST

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AND WE ARE TALKING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS.

THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LAND IN THE COUNTY THAT WAS IDEA.

WE COULD DO IT HERE AND MAYBE THEY COULD HELP US WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY, HAVE THAT.

AND THEN WE CAN INVEST IN SOMEBODY DMC .

I HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH TAHLTANS COUNTY BENDING, UH, HAVING SOME DISCUSSIONS AS WELL, JOINING LOUISA AND CUMBERLAND WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT MAKE SENSE TO PARTNER WITH THEM? AND I'M GETTING, I'M THINKING OF FUNDING, RIGHT? LOUISA HAS ALREADY STARTED THEIR TRAINING CENTER.

THEY HAVE A SITE THERE AND LISA IN SOUTH KNOW THAT THEY WILL, THEY WOULD USE THEIR CENTER.

THEY HAVE ONE OF THEIR OWN, THAT'S KIND OF OVER THE YEARS, OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP.

UM, I THINK WE WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO DEPARTMENT WITH POWER RIGHT NOW.

AND I THINK WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER TO THE FACT THAT WE MAY HAVE TO PUT OUR OWN ACADEMIES WHERE WE HAVEN'T HAD TO BE THAT IN THE PAST.

I'M STANDING BY THE LADY THAT CAN TELL YOU, BUT TRYING WE'RE ADVERTISING FOR THE POSITIONS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GETTING THE NUMBERS OR THE WAY WE DEAL WITH THAT IS WE'LL PROBABLY OPEN THAT APP POOL TO HIRE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOOD PEOPLE WITH GOOD CHARACTER AND GOOD VALUES, MOST LIKELY TO VOLUNTEER FOR SNOW.

GOTCHA.

AWESOME.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO GET GOING INTO TWO TO 4.3 COMMUNITY HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.

UM, WE SHOULD PUT SOMETHING ON THERE AROUND PARTNERSHIPS.

WE SAW SUCH, I FEEL LIKE WE DID A GREAT JOB IN THE CHICANA HEALTH DISTRICT.

SO THE LEADER IN THE REGIONAL COOPERATION, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT.

I THINK I REALLY FEEL LIKE OUR CITIZENS BENEFIT FROM HOW AMAZING OUR STAFF WAS WORKED WITH.

THEY WORKED WITH US EVEN BETTER.

SO, UM, HELPED DISTRIBUTE, I GUESS, COOPERATIONS OR PARTNERSHIPS OR YEAH, RICK MORE RETAIL PARTNERSHIPS, ENCOURAGE COURTESY TO THOSE PARTNERS, LEVERAGE REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS BECAUSE WE DID, WE DID, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH COVID, UM, THAT REALLY TAUGHT US, UH, WHAT WE COULD DO WITH, UH, ACTUALLY HAVE CAN RIGHT GO, UH, WHICH WAS TOO MANY PEOPLE SURPRISED, BUT ANY CAN TELL YOU, YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWS OUR RESIDENTS TO GET VACCINATED AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE THAN WE COULD HAVE DONE ON.

SO, UM, DESPITE PARTNERING WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, IT COSTS US THE STAFF THAT WE HAD TO REPROGRAM, BUT THEN THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTNER.

THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY WITH THIS, AND AGAIN, YOU MAY TELL ME THIS, BUT IT'S JUST ODD TO ME THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO SORT OF WALKING CLINIC AS AVAILABLE FOR ANY OF OUR CITIZENS, UNLESS YOU'RE CLOSE TO THE EAST END.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T BUILD ONE, BUT I THINK KIM, CAN WE PARTNER WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO TARGET? SEE IF WE GET SOME SORT OF A PUBLIC SECTOR DOC IN A BOX, LIKE A DOC IN THE BOX, BUT THAT THERE ARE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS TIED INTO THIS SO THAT WE ARE TARGETING TO SEE IF YOU MAY ATTRACTED FOR A DOC OF THE BOX TO COME TO THE COURTHOUSE AREA OR SOMEWHERE CLOSER.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING 30 MILES, 35 MILES, LIKE WE HAVE IN ONE OF OUR PROACTIVE ENGAGEMENTS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, PURPOSELY ENGAGE THAT PARTICULAR STUDENTS SIMILAR TO OUR DRY CLINKER.

THANK YOU.

YES, IT WAS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WHERE ARE THEY GOING THERE AS ITEM, WHENEVER WE'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY IS LEFT FOR THERE'S NO LAB, THE CLOSEST LAB FOUR IS PARAM ROAD.

UM, SO THAT'S JUST TIED INTO THAT.

UM, SO EVERY TIME WE MEET WITH SOMEBODY LIKE COMMUNITY DEVELOPS THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL OFF ISSUES FOR LIKE CONTACT LAB OR WE NEED A LAB CORE.

UM, SO WE DO TRY TO CONNECT THE NEEDS.

WE HERE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT WHAT'S HAPPENING,

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STAY CLOSED FOREVER.

OR WHAT LAST TIME WE CHECKED, THEY HAVE NOT INTERE.

THEY HAVE NOT STATED THAT IT'S BEEN SHUTTERED COMPLETELY.

THEY SALE SAID IT'S RELATED TO COVID AND THEY BOTH AGREE YOU'RE EVALUATING.

SO IT'S STILL UP IN THE AIR.

SO SIR, NEXT EXERCISE HERE, UH, LOOKING AT HOUSTON COUNTY, WHAT HAS CHANGED 2013 TO NOW? YES.

THAT NEEDS TO BE ON OUR LIST.

THE BASE FEAR REOPENING OF THE POTENTIAL PRE-ESTIMATE WE COULD DO THAT.

AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT? UH, NOW I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE SOME THINGS FIT IN THE WEST CREEK FIRE HOUSE AS A PUBLIC SAFETY JOINT SHERIFF'S OFFICE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE THINGS WOULD GO.

AND MAYBE THERE IS A COMMUNITY HEALTH ISSUE SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

WE'LL CAPTURE IT.

EVEN IF WE DON'T CAPTURE IT HERE, WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE SPIKE TO GO BACK TO KIND OF CAPTURE KIND OF WHERE THAT WAS CONVENIENT CENTERS.

I BELIEVE WASN'T THE OTHER ONE THAT DIALOGUE, UH, THERE, UM, TRIBAL AREA, PROPERTY LOSS RATE, THOSE ARE KIND OF STANDARD THERE.

FIVE A POSITIVE WORK ENVIRONMENT WITH A HIGHLY QUALIFIED DIVERSE WORKFORCE.

UM, ONE, THE THING IS THAT WE HADN'T DONE IS A EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION SURVEY.

UM, WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON, UH, FINDING CAREER DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, DEVELOPING AN ACTUAL PROCESS FOR THAT, WHERE THOSE ARE ONGOING RIGHT NOW, UH, EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION SYSTEM.

ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON NOW OFFER COMPETITIVE AND CREATIVE COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS.

OBVIOUSLY IT DEPENDS ON, UM, REALLY IT'S KIND OF AN ONGOING THING.

AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY IS, IS THE REALLY, UM, BIG MOVER, UH, THAT'S HAPPENING.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE ISSUES WITH OUR, WITH OUR GENERAL STAFF, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD IN TERMS OF HOW THEY, UM, GRAND A LOSS, IF THIS IS A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS WITH LIKE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, PEOPLE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TO LOSE THEM.

THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT, YEAH.

IN TWO MONTHS AS AN AGENCY VERSUS LOOKING AT THESE OBJECTIVES, I SEE IT KIND OF ADDRESS THE HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND DIVERSE WORKFORCE, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW THEY SUPPORT THE POSITIVE WORK ENVIRONMENT.

UM, TO ME FEELS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE KINDA LIKE ZAPPO KIND OF THING OR KIND OF THINGS, OR JUST IN GENERAL.

I DO THINK MAYBE ANOTHER OBJECTIVE AROUND THAT ALMOST WHERE WE USED TO CALL IT AN EMPLOYER OF CHOICE.

SO HOW, LIKE, I THINK WE SHOULD BE DELIBERATE ABOUT THAT.

WE DO HAVE A GREAT STAFF AND AGAIN, YOU CAN'T GO INTO THE ROUTINE OF HOW I WOULD ALMOST THINK IF YOU MORE POWERFUL TO HAVE IT THIRD, YOU ALMOST DON'T WANT IT TO LITERALLY THINK THERE'S POWER IN SAYING, HEY, WE WANT A GREAT POSITIVE WORK ENVIRONMENT FOR FOLKS.

UM, DO YOU THINK IT'S POWERFUL TO HAVE IT ON ITS OWN A VOLUNTARY TURNOVER AT ABOUT 7%, ALMOST 8%, SORT OF TO 2%.

UM, ACTUALLY THIS, I CAN TELL YOU THIS MEASURE HERE.

UM, I MEAN A LOT TO US, WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE WHAT, UH, HOW THEY FIGURED THAT OUT, BUT, UM, MAYBE BEFORE WE PROBABLY WILL RECOMMEND THAT WE LOOK AT A DIFFERENT MEASURE.

UM, WE'RE AT ABOUT 11.7 OR TARGETS, IT WAS TO GET TO 15%.

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WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REALLY, EXACTLY FITS INTO THIS.

UM, JUST WHAT WE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, UH, NO STRATEGIC DOCUMENT AND WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT ASPECTS MAKE IT UNIQUE.

AND I JUST KIND OF HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.

ONE OF WHICH IS, UM, STRATEGIC PLANNING, ASSUMPTIONS.

THEY COUNTY POPULATION WOULD GRADUALLY INCREASE IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS BY APPROXIMATELY THREE TO 4% YEAR.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S TOTALLY ACCURATE.

TRY LOOKING BACK AT THE LAST 10 YEARS.

IT'S ABOUT, IT'S LESS THAN 1% A YEAR, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEW CENSUS NUMBERS I'LL LOOK AT, BUT I THINK WE NEED, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGH THERE.

UM, THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS THE NEXT BULLET IS A UNIFICATION OF THE CAVITIES EAST AND WEST, WHICH STRONG LEADERSHIP IN GOV.

I MEAN, WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS, THAT INCORPORATES EQUITY AND SUSTAINABILITY DECISION-MAKING, UH, ABSOLUTELY WANT TO X OUT EQUITY AND PUT IN EQUALITY.

THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THOSE TWO WORDS.

UH, ABSOLUTELY DO NOT SUPPORT EQUITY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

SO THOSE ARE MY TWO COMMENTS.

THAT'S JUST A CHANGE TO THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE MADE BACK IN 2013, NO ABOUT EQUITY VERSUS EQUALITY BACK THEN.

RIGHT? WHAT ELSE? COMMUNICATION.

SO I FEEL LIKE I COULD BE WRONG HERE, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE MORE CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT NOW THAN WE DID BACK IN 2013, 2011, 2012.

I DON'T THINK I DISAGREED THAT.

THAT WAS GOOD.

THAT'S A CHANGE.

THIS WORD TRUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE TRUST IN THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAN THEY DID BACK THEN.

YOU JUST CAME THROUGH A SERIES OF, I DON'T KNOW, I STILL WASN'T HAPPY WITH THE SCHOOLS.

THE SCHOOLS DID HAVE A PRETTY MAJOR BACKWASH WELL, I THINK ANYTHING HAS CHANGED AS I THINK OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE HAS IMPROVED AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF.

SO I THINK EXPECTATIONS FROM OUR CITIZENS ARE HIGHER.

I THINK BACK TO MY CAREER, I KNEW HE WAS A GOOD MANAGER WHERE THEY WOULD TAKE ME AND PUT ME IN CHARGE OF TEAMS THAT WERE FAILING TO GET THEM UP TO PAR.

I KNEW IT WAS A GREAT MANAGER WHEN I TOOK A TEAM THAT WAS PERFORMING WELL, WE'VE GOT TO PERFORM BETTER.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CHALLENGES OF CONTINUING TO IMPROVE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY GOOD.

THE EXPECTATIONS ARE GOING TO GET HIGHER.

SO MAKING SURE THAT OUR STRATEGIES, YEAH

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WE HAVE THEM.

WE'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO FIX THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, BUT THERE'S NO MONEY TO DO THAT OUTSIDE MONEY WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO .

HOW DO WE, CAN WE AFFECT THIS OR ANY WAY THAT WE CAN NAVIGATE THAT INCREASE OUR CHANCES BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION, I THINK HAS GOTTEN MUCH BETTER WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE.

I NEVER HEARD, I KNEW PEOPLE WOULDN'T COME TO GOOGLE BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL.

NOW I KNOW PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO COME TO GROUP BECAUSE OF THIS ACCOMPLISHMENT AND YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE ALONG THE WAY, STARTING WITH DR.

LANE HAS BEEN THROUGH AND YOU STARTED THAT PROCESS.

UM, I'VE BEEN A BIG PART OF IT.

SO THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN BETTER FOR, UM, MANAGING THE GROWTH TO THE CITIZENS' EXPECTATIONS, UM, WHAT'S ROLE.

AND ARE WE MANAGING TO KEEP THEM, UM, THE GROWTH HAS BEEN PRETTY SOLID, MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE ACROSS THE BOARD.

IF YOU ARE THE GROWTH, I'M GOING TO SAY, I GUESS I'LL THROW IT IN THERE.

YOU MENTIONED THE PRESSURES THAT ARE BUILDING ACROSS THE BOARD.

WE'RE ABOUT TO EMBARK ON A HISTORICAL FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, THAT REFERENDUM, THIS IS THE BIGGEST THING THAT HAPPENED DECADES.

SO SCOUTING THAT WASN'T IN OUR FACE IN 2013.

YEAH, 2013, AND WORRIED ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO KEEP THE SCHOOL OR REPAIR THE SCHOOLS, KEEP IT OPEN.

AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING.

AND SO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, JUST THE FINANCIAL TURNAROUND HAS GIVEN US THE CAPABILITY TO LOOK FORWARD AND BE POSITIVE ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AFFECT AND CHANGE AND BECOME THAT.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS REALLY .

SO THE FINANCIAL TURNAROUND, THAT'S GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT ALL OF THESE, THESE OPTIONS, GREAT THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING TO BECOME BETTER THAT NINE YEARS AGO, WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP THE DOORS.

I, I THINK I WOULD EXPAND FROM THE SCHOOL'S PERSPECTIVE.

I FEEL LIKE LIPTON HAS DONE IS BECOMING A DESTINATION COUNTY AND FIELD.

I USED TO SOME PEOPLE I LIVE IN HOUSTON, LIKE, OH, NOW LIKE, OH, YOU LIVE IN GOODSON.

THERE IS A CHANGE OF OUR BRAND HAS CHANGED.

AND I THINK I AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK I AGREE.

WE SET FORTH EXPECTATIONS, SNAP RECOGNITION, AND APPRECIATION AND ALL THOSE SOURCES.

I THINK WE NEED TO YOUR POINT, I WANT TO SAY SOME WAY NOT SELF-SERVING AT ALL, BUT WE GENERALLY SET OUT TO BE THE GOLD STANDARD IN EVERYTHING WE DO NOT TO TAKE CREDIT OR BE PROUD, BUT JUST BECAUSE WE TRY TO BE THE BEST IN EVERYTHING WE DO AND THAT OVERARCHING GOAL OF TRYING TO BE THE BEST THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY BE, WHAT'S DRIVEN US TO BECOME A BETTER.

AND I THINK THAT SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE OUR ASPIRATION.

IT'S AN ASPIRATION, PRIDE, PROUD OUR CHEST, BUT JUST TO, BECAUSE WE OUGHT TO TRY TO CITIZENS DESERVE IT.

AND IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT IMPLEMENT IT EVERY DAY, THEY WORK IN THESE BUILDINGS AND APPARENTLY MADE IT HAPPEN.

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BUT, BUT WITH ALL THAT, AND THIS, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO LAND, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ROLE IS, BUT WE COULD FOLLOW THAT TOO, TO WHERE WE BECOME MORE OF A DISPARATE, LIKE, ARE WE LEAVING? ARE PEOPLE BEING LEFT BEHIND? AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT.

AND DECLARATIVE OF WHAT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT IS IN THAT THERE ARE.

SO IF WE COULD SEE SOME PROPERTY VALUES RISE, AND WERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LEFT BEHIND AND WHAT IS OUR STRATEGY, IF THERE IS ANY TO ADDRESS THAT, ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR IS TO PROVIDE THE GOLD STANDARD OF EDUCATION, WHICH IS THE FIRST STEP ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? IT'S A LOT OF ENTRY LEVEL JOBS ON THE CLIMBING.

WE'VE KEPT THE 53 CENTS COST OF GOVERNMENT DOWN.

SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING A RISING TIDE RAISES ALL BOATS.

WE'RE TRYING TO RAISE ALL BOATS.

SO THAT'S GREAT.

AND THOSE THINGS THERE.

I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO IDENTIFY SOME THINGS, UM, AS WE GO BACK AND CONTINUE TO DO SOME WORK, RIGHT? SO FOR ME, WE HAVE TO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT AND HOW THAT IMPACTS IS THAT TRYING TO FIT THIS IN, LOOK AT THE GUCCI COUNTY, WHAT HAS CHANGED? YOU AGREE WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR STARTING POINT.

WHAT HAS CHANGED HERE IN FUTURE, BUT WHAT HAS CHANGED IN OUR REGION AND THEN REALLY JUST CHANGES IN THE COUNTRY.

AND THIS IS ANECDOTAL, BUT I DO IN MY DAY JOB WHEN I'M THERE, I HAVE CLIENTS IN REAL ESTATE AND THEY'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE, AND I SAW AN ARTICLE THE OTHER DAY, NEW YORK CITY IS STRUGGLING.

AND SO PEOPLE ARE LEAVING AND COMING HERE, THEY'RE FINDING RICHMOND ON THEIR WAY SOUTH AND LOOKING FOR THE BOYS.

SO RICHMOND IS DOING WELL IN THE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTING, I THINK BEING A, BEING A SPOT THAT GETS LOOKED AT, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT AS RICHMOND HAS ITS CHALLENGES AND THE REGION HAS ITS CHALLENGES.

PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, WELL, I LIKE THE REGION.

WHAT ELSE IS HERE? SO I THINK IT KIND OF GOES TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE CRUSHERS.

AND I THINK THOSE PRESSURES ARE KIND OF ROOTED IN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT NATION.

PEOPLE LOOK FOR SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT TRAFFIC JAM DRIVE NIGHTMARE BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN NOW WORK FROM MORE PLACES.

SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK, HOW DO WE ARTICULATE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE REGION AND WHAT, HOW SHOULD WE CONSIDER WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR ROLE IN THE REGION? I MEAN, THAT'S, I DON'T HOW MUCH IT TIES INTO THIS, BUT I JUST THINK A LOT OF WHAT HAS CHANGED AND WHAT PRESSURES ARE COMING FROM ARE JUST GOING TO BE THE REGION IS VERY WELL FED THE WAR.

AND THEN WHEN PEOPLE GET HERE IN REGION, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE CITY CENTER.

AND TO THAT ISSUE, I MET SOMEBODY THE OTHER DAY, WHO IS FROM GUCCI.

I WENT TO SCHOOL HERE IS A IT PERSON COMPANY IN SAN ANTONIO.

AND COVID TALK TO THEM THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BE IN THEIR OFFICE.

SO SHE'S MOVING BACK TO GOOCHLAND BUYING A HOUSE AND SHE'S WORKED FOR THE SAME COMPANY.

SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE THAT'S HAPPENING AND THESE ARE HIGHER PAID EMPLOYEES THAT ARE COMING IN.

BUT TO NEIL'S POINT, WE'VE GOT A GOOD SECTION ON THE WORKFORCE, ON A LADDER, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE CAN WORK WITH EDO.

JASON, BRINGING THE PEOPLE THAT ALLOW OUR CITIZENS TO STEP UP AND GIVE THEM A FUTURE.

THAT'S BETTER.

YEP.

THE REGIONAL AND NATIONAL TRENDS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

PEOPLE VOTE WITH THEIR FEET AND THEY APPRECIATE HIGH QUALITY SERVICES, PUBLIC SAFETY AND EDUCATION.

AND THEY ALSO APPRECIATE IT COST.

SO THE BANG FOR BUCK IS THERE AND THEY OPEN THEIR FEET.

SO IT'S ONLY NATURAL.

AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO IS BUILD THOSE PRESSURES.

SO WE, OUR JOB THEN IS TO GET THESE, KEEP UP, IF NOT GET OUT IN FRONT OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICES.

SO THEY DON'T DETERIORATE AS A DEMAND

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FOR SOME TYPE CLINIC.

AND THIS GOES, RICHARD, YOUR SIDE THERE, I KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH.

IN 2013, WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON.

WE WERE BUILDING OUR STUFF FOR ESTABLISHING HERSELF TO WHERE, AND WE WERE STRUGGLING TO BE HONEST.

SO NOW I THINK GROUP LOCALITIES ARE LOOKING AT US GOING, WHAT ARE YOU DOING DIFFERENT? AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN AS, UM, OPEN OR THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERNS ABOUT BEING REGIONAL LEADERS BECAUSE I WAS JUST GUCCI 23,000.

BUT NOW I THINK WE, ONE THING THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE IS THAT WHERE WE'RE JUST NOT PART OF THE REGION.

AND THIS IS ALMOST GETTING TO YOUR POINT.

I THINK WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO LEAD THE REGION.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, I CHAIR, SO TWO OF THE THREE REGIONAL THINGS, THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY IN A CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR, UM, IN THE, OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.

SO WE ARE LEADING THESE REGIONS, I THINK GOT TO, IT'S NOT FROM A HUMOROUS PERSPECTIVE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD, THEY ARE OUR NEIGHBORS.

AND IF WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WELL, WHEN WE JUST HAD THE CDTA MEETING AND DAVID WILLIAMS ON RECORD SAID, WE, WE SEE WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING.

AND WE'RE TAKING FROM THEIR PLAYBOOK AND HOW HIS INCOME.

BUT I DID, WE WERE ADOPTING A TENURE.

WE HAD A TICKET.

YOU NOW WE'RE WE SEE WHAT, HOW IT'S BENEFITING OUR NEIGHBORS.

I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE OPEN TO THAT ROLE.

MEAN LEADERS WERE MORE, WE COULD FALL VICTIM TO THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE A BIG ENOUGH, WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE TO THE SOUTH.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE MOATS ALL AROUND.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

THAT'S STAFF, WHATEVER.

I TALKED TO ANYBODY AT PENN RDA, THEY'RE LIKE, OH MY GOSH.

WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GUCCI BECAUSE YOU KNOW, TARA MCGEE'S FIRST RESPONDER.

JOANNA'S THE FIRST ONE TO RESPOND.

LIKE WE ARE, OUR STAFF ARE BEING VIEWED IN THE REGION.

THAT'S AWESOME.

THAT'S FANTASTIC.

, IT'S A, IT'S A REAL INSIGHT.

SO WHAT'S YOUR ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IN CONCLUSION, YOU WERE JUST INVOLVED WITH THAT.

WE ARE LEADERS.

SO YOU WANT TO THEIR COUNCIL GOOD POINTS.

I DON'T FEEL IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

IT NEEDS, NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENTLY MANAGED SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF HOW WE GOT HERE AND THAT WE MANAGE GOING TO THE NEXT LEVEL WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE CONTROL OF IT AND SLIDE BACK.

NO, JUST MISSION.

I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING THE WORD INNOVATE.

JUST BACK TO WHAT NEIL WAS SAYING, LEAD THE REGION.

IF YOU'RE INNOVATIVE, YOU'RE NOT JUST GETTING THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING.

YOU'RE NOT COPYING THEM.

THAT'S GOOD.

SO EXPLORE, INNOVATE RIGHT RELATED TO THIS WHOLE THING.

UM, THE VISION WAS THE VISION FOR THE COUNTY WIDE COMMUNITY.

IT'S AN ASPIRATIONAL VISION OF THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTY THAT WAS DEVELOPED FOR HEAVY CITIZEN UNTIL THE CITIZEN INPUT CHANGES FAIRLY DRAMATICALLY.

I THINK WE CONTINUE TO SHARE THAT VISION WITH THE CITIZENS ADMISSION AGAINST BACK TO US.

HOW DO WE, WHAT'S OUR MISSION AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT? WHAT DO WE DO? AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE CONTINUE DO TO TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE OVERALL BIG PICTURE, VISION ASPIRATION TERM, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

ANY GOALS THAT NEED TO CHANGE OR WE NEED TO ADD IN THERE.

WE GOT TO, BECAUSE AT ONE POINT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE DO WE NEED ANOTHER GOAL? I FORGET FINANCIAL, BUT I THINK WE SAID WE CAN FIT NOW THINGS TO ADD OR CHANGE, I THINK ARE SITTING ON THE WALL.

I THINK WE, I THINK

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AND THOSE ARE THAT'S, YOU'RE ASKING GOALS CHANGES IN THE GOAL.

YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CLINICAL AIR PLANS.

SO THAT'S FINE.

WE GOT THEM INTO BOWL OR SOMEWHERE.

I DID WRITE IT DOWN WHERE THEY WENT IN, BUT THOSE WILL GET INTO THE GOALS.

IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, WE DID SPECIFICALLY SAY, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR FINANCIAL WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT THE BILL'S PLANS IN THE BROAD BAND ARE NOT IN THE GOALS ANYWHERE.

CAUSE WE'RE SAYING THAT THOSE WERE, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

SO HERE AGAIN, I'LL JUST EMPHASIZE AGAIN, FIVE VOLTS.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE 15 ROLLS.

IT JUST DILUTES THE FOCUS.

SO I WOULD TRY TO KEEP IT DOWN TO FIVE.

IF WE HAVE ONE WE TRIED TO TOUCH ONE DIFFERENT OVERARCHING AREAS, THE AGILE AREA AND TRANSPARENCY ARE THOSE DEVELOPMENT AREAS, INTERNAL WORKFORCE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO TOUCH ONE ON EACH OF THE MAJOR AREAS.

SO I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS THERE THAT FROM YOU ALL, THEN WE'LL MAKE A FEW TWEAKS.

UM, BUT OVERALL YOU'RE VERY SATISFIED WITH WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR VISION AND MISSION AND GOALS AND WE'RE ROLE MAKE SOME TWEAKS TO OUR OBJECTIVES AND STRATEGIES AS WE'RE BRINGING THOSE FORWARD OUT A FEW TO THE AREAS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.

UM, BUT OVERALL, SO YEAH, TOP FIVE PRIORITIES ARE STILL CONNECTED TO THOSE GOALS.

GOT THE FIVE GOALS AND YOUR FIVE PRIORITIES UNDERNEATH THAT.

I STILL LIKE THIS CHART, THE FLOW CHART THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW YOU WOULD ANSWER THIS QUESTION BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD.

THESE ARE TOP FIVE.

I, I, I STILL THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE MORE OF A CONCERN OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND DIVERSIFICATION BY EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, BROADBAND, UH, IS DEFINITELY .

I NEVER HEAR THE END OF THAT ONE.

SO UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, CRITICAL AREAS, YOUR BUDGET FINANCE, UM, OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING THAT WE DO THERE, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO FOR OUR CAPITAL PLANNING AND EVERYTHING GOING FORWARD.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THAT YOU WOULD DIFFER FROM WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

WE'D ACTUALLY ONLY TRY AND CONTINUE TO GET BETTER, UH, THROUGH OUR, OUR FINANCIAL PLANNING EXERCISES.

IT'S WE DO REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB WITH A VERY LIMITED STAFF.

AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE KEY THAT I THINK THE BOARD HAS TO UNDERSTAND IS IN EVERY ONE OF OUR AREAS, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED STAFF.

UM, AND SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO GROW, BUT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT, AS KEN POINTS TO IS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T JUST HIRE FOR WHEN WE'RE IN PEAK AND, AND STAYED OUT OF THE WAY BECAUSE THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH REVENUE TO SUSTAIN THAT.

SO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THAT IN THE DOWNTIME IS TO TRYING TO FIND THAT MIDDLE BAND HALL, IT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.

AND THAT IS, THAT IS THE CHALLENGE THAT WE WORK ON EVERY DAY.

ACTUALLY WE'LL BRING IT TO SOME CHALLENGES TO YOU ASSUMING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ON THE GROWTH SIDE, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE UTILIZED ALL THE METHODS THAT THE BOARD HAS PUT IN PLACE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HELP MAKE SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS.

I MEAN, TO, TO TOUCH ON THAT, UM, I TALKED BEFORE ABOUT CUTTING THE FAT, THE NOT MUSLIM INVOLVED.

ALL RIGHT.

I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

I I'VE HEARD OTHER BOARD MEMBERS SAY IS, I DON'T THINK WE EVER WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE THE CONSERVATIVE IS HAMPERING OUR ABILITY TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE.

SO I KNOW I'M VERY OPEN AND I ASK ALL THE TIME, WHAT DO YOU NEED? I'M TRUSTING THAT IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE OVER, THROW A BUNCH OF BODIES AT IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO YOU SAY THAT LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO BE BRACED THE CAR.

I NEED TO COME FOR.

YOU, ASK HIM FOR PERMISSION.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU.

I WANT YOU TO TELL ME IF WE HAD THE POSITION WE NEEDED, MISSPENDING YOUR ABILITY, WHATEVER IT IS BECAUSE YOU CAN HAMPER GROWTH.

YOU CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN HURT OURSELVES TOO SMALL.

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YOU DON'T WANT TO, UH, ALLOW THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IN ANY OF OUR CORE SERVICES TO DETERIORATE OVER TIME.

AND IF SO, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE AT THE EXPENSE OF SERVICES.

YOU WANT HIGH QUALITY EFFECTIVE, BUT EFFICIENT IN THE WAY YOU DELIVER THOSE SERVICES.

AND I'LL JUST REITERATE ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE, IT'S PUT US IN THIS POSITION TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, SO THESE THREE THINGS, AND THEY'RE INCREDIBLY CONSERVATIVE BUDGET.

THAT'S WHERE IT ALL STARTS.

AND WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY CONCERNEDLY BUDGETED AND THAT'S ALLOWED US TO, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, TALKED ABOUT FUNDING, OUR CAPITAL PLAN, CERTAINLY, AND NOT GO TO TIPPING IN RESERVES OR BORROWING.

SO I WOULD SAY CONSERVATIVE BUDGETING, WHERE ALL STARTS AND THEN PAYING DOWN THE DEBT OVER TIME, HAVING VERY BAD DEBT, SERVICE CREATES OPPORTUNITIES AND FLEXIBILITY THAT OTHERS DON'T HAVE.

AND THEN OUR RESERVES, THE GO-TO IN CASE THERE IS A PROBLEM.

SO I WOULD WANT THAT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL THREE OF THOSE, AT LEAST BE MAINTAINED, IF NOT AN ANSWER TO T-BAR KEEP OURSELVES IN THE, EVERY BOAT POSITION OF CREDIT RATING.

SO FINANCIALLY THOSE THREE AREAS, CONSERVATIVE, BUDGETING, MAINTAINERS, OR MANAGING THE DEBT.

WELL, WE DID OUR TARGETS AND THAT KEEPS US.

SO IF THERE IS FLEXIBILITY, HEDA CREATED A TIME DON'T NEED ANY.

I DO FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB.

I FEEL LIKE I KNOW WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF APPRECIATING THOSE AND STEP UP TO SERVE ON OUR BOARDS.

OR I BROUGHT UP PEACEFUL FOR 16 YEARS.

HE HAS SERVED AND HAS NEVER ONCE GOTTEN A FAITH THING, ANY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.

HE'S LIKE, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR LIKE MONEY.

HE GOES, IT'D BE NICE IF WE JUST CAME TO A MEETING ONCE A YEAR.

AND JUST ALL THE FOLKS THAT SERVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT OUR CITIZENS STEP UP AND, AND SHOULDER FOR US THAT WAS PURELY PURELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE NEED A COUPLE OF WEEKS COMPENSATE EMBARRASSINGLY FOR WHAT THEY DO, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY, YES, WE DON'T.

WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER OF PARIS.

TYING THIS INTO WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING, WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE 2013, BASICALLY IN TRANSPORTATION, EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE 2013.

SO GOAL FIVE, IF WE SHOT SOMETHING, HAVING A GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO CAPTURE THAT GOAL FIVE, ADD SOME RECOGNITION SUPPORT FOR SIR.

DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A LUNCH BREAK? IT'S EASY TO TAKE A LUNCH.

I WANT TO STAND UP.

IT'S HIS ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE AND THEIR FOOD TO SUMMARIZE BY SAYING, NO, I DON'T WANT TO STAND IN BETWEEN YOUR LETTERS.

YOU WANT TO SAY, YEAH, I'M READY FOR LUNCH.

LUNCH IS HERE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.

WE'LL PICK UP, UH, UH, UH, LABOR DAY.

WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH WITH A SPOT EXERCISE.

AND I THINK I WROTE HER A LOT OF WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR.

AND I THINK STAFF WILL AS HER

[4. Lunch Break: 12 Noon - 12:45 PM]

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[Afternoon Session: Discuss Transportation Project Priorities]

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UM, PREVIOUS THAT IT WAS WHAT THE TPO WAS.

THE NPO, UH, FUNDING WAS, UH, GIVEN OUT THE TECH MEMBERS, WHICH WAS THE STAFF MEMBERS WOULD SORT OF SIT AROUND THE TABLE AND SAID, I SHOULD GET THIS.

YOU GOT THAT LAST MONTH.

AND IT WAS JUST VERY CONTINUE ON.

NOW.

IT IS A MUCH MORE COMPLEX, MUCH MORE POLITICAL PROCESS IN COMPETITIVE AND COMPETITIVE.

WE HIRED A TRANSPORTATION CONSULTANTS AND, UH, HAD A VERY EXTENSIVE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, LOTS OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, AND WE ADOPTED OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

UM, SO WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE NEVER REALLY SAT DOWN AND TALKED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AS A FULL BOARD.

WE SORT OF ALWAYS BEEN TRYING AND TRYING TO REACT TO IT.

UM, SO WE WANTED TO BRING ALL OF THIS TO YOU.

UM, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OVERALL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING IN THE COUNTY, UM, WHERE WE HAVE ACCIDENTS AND FAILING LEVEL OF SERVICE, BUT THE BULK OF THE PRESENTATION IS TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES.

UM, AND WITHIN EACH FUNDING SOURCE, WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER OUR FEDERAL STATE AND LOCAL FUNDING.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS WE ALREADY HAVE FUNDED.

UM, WHEN THE ALLOCATION OCCURS, HOW OFTEN OCCURS, WHAT THE GENERAL DOLLAR AMOUNT IS, AND THEN WHAT'S THE CRITERIA.

HOW DO WE GET THAT FUNDING FOR WHAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR THAT FUNDING? AND THEN WE HAVE A LIST OF POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE PROJECTS.

UM, AND THEN YOU'D SEE IT.

THERE'S ALSO A SPREADSHEET.

UM, THOSE ARE ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, UM, FROM THE CRAPPIER TRANSPORTATION CIC.

UM, WE TRIED TO GIVE YOU THE LOCATION OF THEM, THE ESTIMATED COSTS, WHAT POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES ARE.

AND THEN WE JUST STARTED A SPREADSHEET, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WANT MORE INFORMATION FROM THE BOARD, UH, GIVING XS, IS IT, IS IT A PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECT? ISN'T AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

DOES IT HAVE LOW COSTS? UM, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO SEE WHAT THE BOARD THINKS IS THE PRIORITIES OF WHAT TYPE OF PROJECT WE SHOULD BE FOLLOWING.

SO, UH, SO IN 2018 WE WENT THROUGH A VERY EXTENSIVE PROCESS.

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AND WHAT THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN DOES IS IT REALLY LOOKED AT THE CAPACITY OF ROADWAYS.

SO WHERE DO WE NEED ROADS? UH, DO THE ROADS NEED TO EXPAND IT, DOESN'T GET DOWN INTO THE LEVEL OF THINGS LIKE AN INTERSECTION, WHAT INTERSECTIONS NEED TO BE APPROVED.

AND ALSO WE WANT TO GO OVER SOME OF THOSE ACCIDENT DATA, BUT AS PART OF THAT MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WE DID TAKE ALL OF THE NEW ROADS.

UM, WE INCLUDED THEM ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE ACTUALLY WON AN AWARD FROM THE NATIONAL COOPERATIVE HIGHWAY RESEARCH PROGRAM.

UM, OUR AWARD WAS, WE WERE DESIGNATED, THERE WAS THREE IN THE COUNTRY THAT WON THAT AWARD FOR ONE OF THEM.

WE ARE A MODEL COUNTY FOR INCORPORATING ACCESS MANAGEMENT IN OUR PLANNING PROCESS.

UM, SO YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD RESULTS FOR THAT.

WE PUT OUR, A LOT OF OUR CONCEPT ROADS, UM, ON OUR, OUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN.

SO THAT WAY, WHEN SOMEONE'S COMING IN FOR AN EXAMPLE, THE AUDI DEALERSHIP, WHEN HE PUT ALL THOSE PROPERTIES TOGETHER, WE HAD A ROUTE ON THERE THAT WAS ALL PART OF THE CONCEPT PLAN AND PART OF HIS DEVELOPMENT.

HE BUILDS THAT CONCEPT, RIGHT? SO THE MORE THAT WE CAN GET THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO BUILD THOSE ROADS, AND IF IT'S ON THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, AND THEN WE HAVE A DIRECT TIE TO IT, WE ALSO TOOK ALL OF OUR ROWS AND WE DID THE CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL.

UM, SO THAT DEVELOPERS DO PAY THEIR PRO-RATA SHARE FOR THE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE HAVE LOTS OF PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE FROZEN OFF ROAD PROJECTS.

AND SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF PULL THEM ALL TOGETHER AND YOU'LL SEE THEM IN THIS LIST.

SO WE HAVE THE ONES THAT THEY'RE IDENTIFIED IN CIP.

THEY CAME FROM THE MAYFAIR THOROUGHFARE FAIR PLAN AND THE COMP PLAN.

THERE'S ALSO A REGIONAL LONG RANGE PLAN THAT'S DONE BY THE PLAN RBA.

THERE'S A REGIONAL, RURAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

WE'VE HAD GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD PROJECTS COME FROM THE STAR STUDY FOR TWO 88 FOR TWO 50.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE WERE THE MODEL FOR THE ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN FROM FEEDER FOR TWO 50 AND 60 23.

AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO BEEN ABLE TO PULL MONEY, PULL INFORMATION OUT OF OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WE REQUIRE FOR ALL OF OUR THINGS IN MANY CASES.

SO THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN OUR TWENTY-FIVE YEAR CIP.

UM, THESE NUMBERS ARE SORT OF ROUNDED UP KNOWING, AGAIN, SOME OF THESE ARE JUST PLACEHOLDER NUMBERS.

WE KNOW COSTS ARE GOING UP.

UM, SO THESE NUMBERS MAY NOT BE AS ACCURATE IF WE, ONCE WE GET TO THE BUILD STAGE, BUT THEY DO GIVE YOU JUST SOME, AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PROJECT WOULD COST.

WE HAVE THE HOCKETT ROAD REALIGNMENT THAT'S CURRENTLY FUNDED.

UM, AGAIN, TO START ENGINEERING IN 2022, WE HAVE SOME STUDIES SUCH AS THE PATTERSON AVENUE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS DEALING WITH OUR INTERSTATES 64 OILVILLE 64 NATIONAL ROAD, TWO 88, THREE JOB ROAD, RECONNECTION ASHLAND ROAD, 64 TO HANOVER COUNTY LINE TALKING TO THE CREEK PARKWAY BULLDOG WAY TURN LANE THAT SHOULD BE DONE AS PART OF THE SCHOOL PROJECT OIL BILL ROAD, TWO 64 CARS ROAD, INTERSECTION FAIRGROUND ROAD.

SO I'M SURE THESE ARE ALL THE ROADS THAT YOU'RE GETTING CALLS FROM FROM YOUR CITIZENS, THAT THERE'S ISSUES.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, ROCKVILLE ROAD NEED FOR COURTHOUSE, BILL AND SIDEWALKS, GLARE ROAD RECONSTRUCTION.

SO GRAND TOTAL, ALL OF THESE, IF WE WERE TO BUILD ALL OF OUR PROJECTS THAT ARE IN OUR CIC, A VERY LOW NUMBER PROBABLY IS ABOUT $230 MILLION.

SO, SO ESSENTIALLY WE BE DOING A $30 MILLION.

SO, UM, SO WHAT WE WANT TO GO THROUGH RIGHT NOW WITH YOU IS ACCIDENT DATA LOCATION ON MAJORITY OF THE CRASH INTERSECTIONS AND THE ENGAGEMENT, AND THEN IT INTERSECTIONS WITH KNOWN FAILING LEVEL OF SERVICES.

SO WE LOOKED AT THREE YEARS OF TRAFFIC DATA.

WE DID 2021.

WE DID 2020, AGAIN, THAT'S A COVID YEAR.

SO THAT'S WHAT YEAR IS ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE AN ABSTRACT, UH, NEXT TO IT BECAUSE THERE WERE LESS PEOPLE ON THE ROAD.

AND SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT 2029, 2019.

SO, UM, WHAT WE SEE A TREND IS ABOUT A THIRD OF ALL OF OUR ACCIDENTS IN THE COUNTY HAPPENED ON INTERSPACE, UH, MORE CARS, MORE PEOPLE, MORE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO LEAD TO MORE ACCIDENTS.

SO WE HAD 145 ACCIDENTS IN 2021.

UM, 97 OF THEM WERE NOT ON THE INTERSTATE, UH, 32 SPEED RELATED FIVE ABOUT ALCOHOL.

AND WE DID HAVE ONE TALLY ON MILLER'S LANE.

THIS IS A HEAT MAP.

SO THE YELLOWS, UH, THE BIGGER THE CIRCLE, THE MORE ACCIDENTS IT IS, UH, BLUE IS MEDIUM.

GREEN IS LOW AND RED IS THE FATALITY.

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SO THIS IS THE FATALITY HERE ON, UM, MILLER'S LANE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE CLUSTER OF OUR ACCIDENTS.

GENERALLY THE BIGGEST CIRCLES OCCUR ON THE INTERSTATE.

UM, YOU DO SEE SOME BROAD AND OIL BILL, UM, OUT PAINTED SPILL ALONG ROUTE SIX, ALONG FIVE 22.

UM, AND THESE ARE LIKE ONE OR TWO, THESE SMALLER LOTS, SO NOTHING, UM, NOTHING THAT'S NOT EXPECTED IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO 20, 20, UM, 426 REPORTED ACCIDENTS, 308 OR NON-INTEREST STATE.

UM, A LOT OF THESE ARE SPEED RELATED.

SO THAT'S GENERALLY NOT DUE TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE ROAD, 25 INVOLVED ALCOHOL AND ONE FATALITY ON LOWRY ROAD.

UM, SO AGAIN, YOU'RE SEEING THE SAME TRENDS WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE ACCIDENTS BEING ON THE INTERSTATE.

UM, YOU'RE NOT SEEING THE FIVE 22, LIKE WE SAW BEFORE SEEING SOME ON RAP STICKS, BUT AGAIN, NOTHING THAT'S GLARING.

LIKE THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM INTERSECTION.

SO LIKE 20, 21 TOTAL AND 97, WE'RE NOT INTERSTATE.

CORRECT.

SO THE MAJORITY FROM NOT UNDERSTANDING, UM, ABOUT TWO THIRDS ARE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THAT MOST OF THEM WERE ON THE INTERSTATE.

NO, ABOUT A, ABOUT A THIRD OR ALL OF THEM, SO, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THE BIGGEST CONCENTRATION ARE ON THE INTERSTATES.

UM, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE LESS AREA.

THE OTHER ONES ARE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE OTHER TWO THIRDS ARE NOT THE CORRECT.

SO GIVE US, OKAY.

SO THEN THIS IS 2019.

SO THIS IS THE LAST, PROBABLY FULL YEAR BEFORE COVID, UM, 616 ACCIDENTS, 445, NOT ON THE INTERSTATE, 112 SPEED RELATED 42 INVOLVE ALCOHOL DID HAVE SEVEN FATALITIES.

HOWEVER, THREE FATALITIES WERE ONE ACCIDENT ON 16 FOUR.

UM, THAT WAS SPEED RELATED ONE FATALITY ON 64, WHICH WAS ALCOHOL RELATED.

AND WE DID HAVE ONE AT TWO 88 AND BROAD STREET RAMP.

UM, THIS AS TRAGIC AS IT WAS, IT DID MOVE UP OUR PROJECT TO GET THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS AT TWO 88 AND BROAD.

AND WE'RE KIND OF CONTINUING TO MONITOR THAT AND SEE IF THAT TREND DECLINES, NOW THAT WE HAVE THOSE TRAFFIC LIGHTS THERE.

AND THEN ALSO ONE ON SHELL HILLBROW TRAVEL BALL ROAD.

SO AGAIN, NOT SEEING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE INTERSTATES THAT REALLY STANDS OUT AS A STRONG ACCIDENT LOCATION, IS THAT ONE 73 WAS THAT TO MEDIATE? YES.

AND THAT'S A FATALITY.

SO THERE WAS 173 ACCIDENTS AT THAT.

THIS IS WHY THIS IS VERY HELPFUL.

WHATEVER THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTION IS, DEDICATED RESOURCES, DEDICATED MONEY .

SO A LOT OF THESE FUNDING SOURCES, THEY GO TO YOUR CRASH DATA TO LOOK AND YOU GET MORE POINTS, UM, MORE ACCIDENTS.

UM, IF THERE'S A FATALITY, THAT'S A WEIGHT CLASS FOR EVEN HIGHER.

UM, WE ARE FORTUNATE THAT WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC FATALITIES IN THE CAMPAIGN, BUT ON THE OTHER END THAT ALSO IMPACTS OUR SCORE TO GET TRANSPORTATION NOT WORSE.

NINE OF THE SEVEN BLUE BLUE.

UM, THIS IS, UH, SO THIS IS HOCKET HERE.

SO THIS IS AT, UM, UH, ROUTE SIX AND, UM, MANNEQUIN.

2020, THE LIGHTS WERE INSTALLED.

AND NOT, WE HAVE TO DEEP DOWN DEEPER, WHICH WE CAN DO ON THAT.

AND THAT'S IN THE VICINITY, THOSE LITTLE DOTS THAT'S CORRECT.

ON THE INTERSTATE ACCIDENTS, UM, EXCHANGES AS EXCHANGES.

SO THEY'RE GENERALLY NOT, I CAN'T LOOK, IT'S A MIXTURE.

I'VE BEEN STUCK IN TRAFFIC THERE, PEOPLE.

SO THESE ARE OUR MAJOR INTERSECTIONS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, TOTAL OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

SO AGAIN, THAT FRAUD STREET, TWO 88, YOU COULD SEE THE TREND 12, 11, EIGHT, 14, 13, 17,

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WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THE 20, 21 DAYS.

WE THINK THAT NUMBER WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.

UM, BUT AGAIN, NO INTERSECTION, I MEAN, FIVE CRASHES IS A LOT, BUT IT'S NOT COMPARABLE TO SOME OTHER LOCALITIES THAT HAVE MUCH HIGHER CRASH NUMBERS.

ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON TO A LEVEL OF SERVICE RIGHT.

SO AGAIN, SO WE WERE LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE'S TRENDS IN OUR ACCIDENT DATA.

WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY, WE'RE ALSO NOT SEEING ANY PROJECTS THAT WE CAN TAG TO ACCIDENT DATA TO RESEARCH .

UM, SO WE DID ALSO LOOK AT LEVEL OF SERVICE DEALS.

THIS DEALS WITH INTERSECTIONS, WE WERE ABLE TO COMPILE THIS INFORMATION FROM TRAFFIC STUDIES.

UM, SO LEVEL OF SERVICE, I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS, BUT WE'LL GO OVER IT BRIEFLY.

AGAIN, A THROUGH F GENERALLY A THROUGH C USED TO BE ACCEPTABLE.

NOW B THAT SAYS A THROUGH D IS ACCEPTABLE.

SO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE DEALS WITH THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO WAIT, SIT THROUGH A LIGHT, HOW MANY CARS HAVE TO GO BEFORE YOU CAN TURN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE DID COMPILE ANY OF THE, UM, ROADS IN THE COUNTY THAT WERE OF A PHARAOH THAT HAD A D OR F, WHICH WE WOULD CONSIDER A FAILING LEVEL OF SERVICE.

THIS COULD JUST, THIS MAY BE AN AM OR PM, OR IT COULD BE BOTH.

SO I START THROUGH THE COUNTY, UM, AND MOVED THROUGH TO THIS IS IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT.

SO ASHLYN ROAD AND COMMERCE CENTER DRIVE, WE KNOW OPERATES CURRENTLY AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE, D ANYBODY WHO DRIVES ASHLAND ROAD.

WE KNOW THAT THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC, UM, ISSUE TRUCKS IN THE MORNING TRUCKS IN THE EVENING, VERY HIGH, HIGH TRAFFIC.

WE DO HAVE THE PROJECT AT, UM, ASHLYN IN 64 TO DO IT IN VIRGIN DIAMOND, UM, WHICH HOPEFULLY WOULD SMOOTH CLOSE THROUGH THERE.

SO THEN IF WE MOVE INTO THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE, UM, THE YELLOW, IT WAS A LEVEL OF SERVICE FEE THAT IS HOCKET AND ASHLAND ROAD.

AGAIN, YOU SEE CONTINUING THE ISSUES ALONG ASHLAND ROAD.

UH, WE DO HAVE PLANS TO WHY ASHLAND ROAD AND, UM, REVIEW THE INTERSECTION WHEN WE GET FUNDING.

UM, AND THEN YOU PICK UP A FEW AT PLAZA DRIVE AMANDA KIMBER ROAD.

WE DO HAVE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED WITH THE MANNEQUIN TOWN PACE, WHICH SHOULD IMPROVE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THERE.

AND THEN PLAZA DRIVE WOULD ALSO HAVE ANOTHER CONNECTION TO TAKE SOME TRAFFIC OFF OF PLAZA AND BROAD.

SO WE DO BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT WOULD ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS IN THE HOCKEY ROAD EXTENSION AND THE HOCKEY ROAD WHEN WE GO BACK, UM, AND AGE ROAD IS PROPOSED TO BE REALIGNED SOMEWHERE LIKE , UM, MOVING FURTHER SOUTH.

UM, SO THIS IS THE POCKET ROAD CORRIDOR.

UM, THIS IS OUR QUARTER THAT WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL GROWTH, UH, CENTERVILLE PARK DRIVE AND BREEDERS BRANCH DRIVE THAT OPERATING RIGHT NOW, LEVEL OF SERVICE D GETTING MORE HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE COMING ONLINE AND BREEDERS BRANCH.

UM, AND THEN ALSO TUCKAHOE CREEK AND PATTERSON.

UM, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF CITIZENS HAVE REQUESTED A TRAFFIC LIGHT.

THEY ARE, DOES NOT YET WARRANT THE NUMBERS FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE A ROAD PROJECT, UM, AND PLANS TO HAVE THAT YOU MEAN TRUCK RECRUIT? YES.

AND WHICH DIRECTION IS FAILING, NOT EVER DIRECTION, IS THAT TYPICALLY YOUR, YOUR MAIN LINE, LIKE BEAR HOCKENBERRY WAS GOING TO BE FINE.

YOUR BACKUP IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO SMALLER RATES COMING IN.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE BOTH YOUR APPROACHES.

I'LL TALK A GREAT PARKING LOT.

SO THEY, THE NUMBER, THE, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE RATING THAT WE PULLED WAS THE LOWEST LEVEL OF SERVICE RATING FOR ANY GIVEN TERM MOVEMENTS.

SO THE INTERSECTION AS A WHOLE IS NOT NECESSARILY FAILING, BUT WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MULTIPLE TURNING LIMITS.

AND I SHOULD STOP BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER.

I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS IN THE BEGINNING.

UM, UH, TOM COLEMAN, UH, PREVIOUSLY HAS BEEN HANDLING ALL OF OUR TRANSPORTATIONS TO, UH, INFORMATION, DID A GREAT JOB OF GETTING US WHERE WE ARE.

UM, WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE MICHAEL, UH, LAST JANUARY.

HE IS, UH, DEDICATED, UM, SOLELY TO TRANSPORTATION.

TOM IS STILL HELPING OUT.

IT'S REALLY NOT A ONE PERSON JOB.

I MEAN, THIS COULD BE A COUPLE PEOPLE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN STEPPING IN WITH, IN TODD'S HIS ABSENCE.

SO IT REALLY TRANSPORTATION HAS BECOME A HUGE DRAIN OF STAFF TIME.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BUT IT IS REQUIRING A LOT MORE STEPS, COMPLICATED.

IT'S VERY COMPLICATED.

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UM, SO THIS IS THE RIVER ROAD CORRIDOR.

YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED THAT WEST CREEK PARKWAY AND PATTERSON, UM, BLAIR AND PATTERSON AND THAT'S, UH, UH, PAIGE, BROOKE THERE.

SO SOME LEVEL OF SERVICE ISSUES.

SO BLAIR IS STILL A LEVEL, EVEN AFTER THE LIGHT.

AND A SUDDEN IN A PLAYER, UH, COLLEGIATE ATHLETIC FIELDS WHERE THOSE GAMES LET OUT AROUND FOUR 30 OR FIVE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF, YOU COULD WAIT AWHILE.

ONE OF THE FIXES THEY'VE ASKED FOR IS A RIGHT TURN LANE.

THAT TRAFFIC JUST FLOW RIGHT THROUGH THAT WAVE, AS IT IS NOW, ALL THE TRAFFIC TURNING, RIGHT, AND STILL WAITING FOR ALL THE TRAFFIC TURNING LEFT, AND IT JUST CREATES A BACKUP THERE.

SO, SO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE MAY BE THAT YOU HAVE TO SIT THROUGH TWO OR THREE CYCLES OF LIFE.

PEOPLE WANT TO GET THROUGH.

SO YOU REALLY GET THROUGH SAFER A TIMING CHANGE.

WE'VE LOOKED AT TIMING, WE'VE LOOKED AT TOMMY CHANGE IT THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS JUST BASED ON HOW LONG OF A CYCLE, THEN YOU COULD MANIPULATE THIS BY JUST CHANGING THE CYCLE.

I THINK WHAT THE ISSUE WE HAVE IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, IT'S A STORAGE PROBLEM.

SO AS MR. BRUCE WOULD SAY, THE TURNING LANE WOULD GO CHEAT THE ANSWERS, A LOT OF TIMES SIGNAL TIMINGS WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS NECESSARILY, THIS IS NOT A CASE WHERE THE PRIORITY IS GOING TO BE IS CONTINUING ROUTE SIX IS FREE FLOW.

YES, SURE.

WE CHANGE YOU.

IF YOU TWEAK THE SIGNAL TIMING, YOU'RE GOING BACK A FOR EVERY ACTION IS GOING TO BE A REACTION.

SO YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR SIGNAL TIMING TO ALLOW, UM, BLAIR ROAD FOR, AT WORK LATE, BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE BACKUPS ON ROUTE SIX.

AND SO CLEARLY THIS IS B BRIGHT KEEPING THE CLEAR FLOW AROUND SIX.

WE DO HAVE A BIRD PROJECT FOR THE WIDENING OF BLAIR ROAD THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT TURN LANES AND INCREASING THE STORAGE RECONSTRUCTION.

AT CRAB, YOUR GUY RAN CRASH DATA, YOUR TURN, YOUR ATTORNEY MOVEMENTS, YOUR TIMING NUMBER VOLUME OF CARS.

SO NOW WE MOVE TO THE COURTHOUSE AREA, UH, ROUTE SIX AND GATHWRIGHT OPERATING AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE D AND DICKINSON, AND SIX OPERATING AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE.

UH, AND AGAIN, THAT'S PROBABLY DEALING WITH J SARGE AND THE Y YMCA, AND EITHER EVERYBODY GOING IN IN THE MORNING OR COMING OUT AT SIMILAR TIMES AT NIGHT, THAT'S THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE NOW, WE GET INTO THE REALLY COMPLICATED STUFF WITH THE FUNDING.

THERE WERE, THOSE ARE ALL THE DBS.

SO WE GET THAT INFORMATION FROM TRAFFIC STUDIES.

SO THESE, THESE ARE ONES THAT WE'VE HAD DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS NEARBY, AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT.

I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER ONES WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

UM, IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO, TO HIRE SOMEBODY, OR I DON'T KNOW, IT'D BE THAT DOES LEVEL OF SERVICE EITHER CONTRACT OURSELVES TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, OR JUST CONTINUE TO RELY ON DEVELOPMENT TOO, AND WENT IN THE REVIEW PROCESS, ASKING THEM TO DO ON IT, ADDITIONAL ANSWERS.

WELL, THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS, THE TPO IS IN THE PROCESS OF EXTENDING, EXTENDING THE BATTERIES TO INCLUDE ALL OF WHICH MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE FOR MAYBE LIKE SUNDAY, POSSIBLY, UH, GET A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY OUT OF THAT ORGANIZATION AND STUFF.

WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION LIKE THIS.

LET'S SAY THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO GET MILK, BUT IT WASN'T THANKSGIVING.

I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO THAT.

WE'RE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE OUR WHOLE COUNTYWIDE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.

IF WE JUST HAVE AN AREA THAT WE KNOW AND GO TO LEE IS A PROBLEM WE OUGHT TO EXPLORE.

IF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE PARTICULARLY FLOODING OF SERVICE IS GOING TO DRIVE POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES IN ADDITION TO JUST US PRIORITIZING.

UM, DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKES SENSE? THOROUGHFARE PLAN DID IT IS COUNTY-WIDE AND DID LOOK AT PRO-D CAPACITY.

UM, SO THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE VERSIONS OF THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR CAPACITY IMPROVEMENT BASED ON OUR MAJOR THREATS.

DO WE NEED TO KNOW A LEVEL OF SERVICE SCORE IN ORDER TO COMPETE FOR FUNDING FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS? NOT NECESSARILY, TOM, GO AHEAD.

WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, UM, THE, THE, WE DON'T A COMPETITIVE APPLICATION, YOU'RE REQUIRING A LOT OF DATA.

AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO DO A LOT OF ANALYSIS.

THEY MIGHT NOT DO THE TWO D WOULD WE SUBMIT LIKE A SMART SCALE SCORE OR THE FUNDING, THE PEOPLE EVALUATING, YES.

YOU'RE LOOKING

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THERE'S A LOT OF THIS, IT'S ALL OF THAT STUFF WE NEED TO GATHER IN ORDER TO PUT THE APPLICATION TOGETHER.

WHENEVER IT DID, JOANNE'S GOING TO GET INTO THIS AND THEIR PRESENTATION.

WHENEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPETITION, THE ANSWER IS YES.

THE MORE INFORMATION.

WHAT ABOUT YOU? SEE, I HOPE YOU SEE KEPT GOING.

I'M TRYING TO JUST CIRCLE BACK TO SAY, SHOULD WE TAKE LIKE SUSAN, YOU MUST HAVE SOME PLACE IN MIND.

YOU MUST HAVE LOCATIONS IN THIS DISTRICT.

AND SO I GUESS I THINK WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS, IF THIS STUFF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO, BUT WE'RE STILL, STILL AT THE POINT WHERE WE ARE, WE'RE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE.

I MEAN, AT THE MTP, DOES IT PRIORITIZE THINGS? SO AS WE MOVE INTO, SO WE CAN GO INTO EACH ONE OF THE FUNDING SOURCES, IT WOULD TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE DO ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE CBTA WE HAVE, UH, WITH OUR 50% FUNDS, WE CAN USE THAT FOR ENGINEERING.

WE HAVE PUT A PLACE OVER THAT FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR ENGINEERING.

SO THAT WAY WE CAN DO THESE SMALLER STUDIES WHEN WE WANT TO DO AN APPLICATION SO WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION.

YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING? I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK.

I WANT TO STEP BACK, BECAUSE I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A HOLISTIC LOOK AND SAY, WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES? BECAUSE TO ME COMING INTO THIS MEETING AND THINKING, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IS BOARD.

THAT'S THE SHIFT TO TRULY, AND GENUINELY PRIORITIZE OUR TRANSPORTATION PROBLEMS. AND IF WE NEED THIS DATA EVENTUALLY, DO WE, I GUESS, SOMETHING, DO WE NEED THE DATA TO HELP PRIORITIZE IT EVEN TO PRIORITIZE? WELL, I THINK, AND WE'LL SEE, AS SHE GETS FURTHER ON, I THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE SO MUCH ALREADY TO, TO ATTACK THAT WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE AS FAR AS HAVING, UH, PROJECTS TO PRIORITIZE.

BUT IF MS OR HER CONSTITUENTS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT A PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, THEN WHEN JOANNA ADDRESSES THE CBTA FUNDING, YOU'LL SEE THAT, LIKE SHE SAID, WE PROGRAMMED A SET ASIDE OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR, SPECIFICALLY FOR PE AND STUDIES.

SO IF, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE IN ONE OF YOUR DISTRICTS, THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE HIRE A CONSULTANT.

EVEN WHEN B DOT SAID, OH, IT DOESN'T WARRANT.

WELL, THAT'S FINE.

WE CAN, WE CAN DO IT.

AND WE CAN START DEVELOPING A PROJECT BASED ON THAT INFORMATION.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

I DON'T WANT TO JUMP INTO FARMING TO FOLLOW THIS UP.

UM, I MEAN, I GUESS BEAT UP TO COMING INTO A TRAFFIC STUDY.

THEY'RE GONNA TELL US HOW WE ARE TODAY.

OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, I BELIEVE WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT MY GROWTH FULL BUILD-OUT THINGS THAT WE KNEW AND THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT OVER TIME AND THEN PROJECTED INTO THE FUTURE WHERE THE PRESSURES ARE GOING TO SHOW UP WHEREVER INTERSECTIONS FLIPPED RED.

SO THAT WAS A MORE HOLISTIC, PROACTIVE, FUTURISTIC COOKING, AS OPPOSED TO JUST, HOW ARE WE DOING TODAY, TURNING LEFT.

AND THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE FULL MENU OF POTENTIAL PROBLEMS GOING FORWARD, HOW DO YOU OVERLAY THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE ALL OF OUR NEEDS IN ONE POCKET OF MONEY, AND THERE'S FOUR OTHER POCKETS OF MONEY WE DON'T HAVE.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO AND FOLLOW YOU IS TO KNOW PROMPTS, NOT JUST TODAY, BUT ONES THAT ARE GOING TO DEVELOP AN IDEA OF TERM AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AT LEAST SOME PROJECTS FOR EACH OF THOSE PINES.

AND IF THERE'S PROJECTS HAVE NO WEST TO GO TO ONE POCKET, THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE YET BECAUSE ALL OF OUR STUDIES HAVE BEEN IN DIFFERENT AREAS.

THEN LET'S GO BACK AND FILL THAT.

BUT IF WE HAVE ENOUGH PROJECTS IN EACH OF THE DIFFERENT FIVE OR SIX POCKETS, AND WE HAVE THINGS STACKED UP AND READY TO GO AND THERE, AND THEY'RE A FUNCTION OF OUR FUTURE NEEDS.

SO IT'S OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE THAT ALIGNED SOME WOMAN, THE FUNDING SOURCES.

SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL CHANCE OF GETTING IT DONE AS OPPOSED TO JUST HAVING AND NO WASTING, NO FUNDING SOURCE.

THAT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING TYPE THING I WOULD ADD.

ONE LAST THING IS THAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE NUMBERS THAT WE USED, THE RATINGS THEY'RE BASED OFF OF THE NO BILL 2027, 20, 26 PROJECTIONS.

SO THEY ARE A FUTURE NEAR FUTURE PROJECTIONS BUILD OR NO BUILD.

THAT'S ALSO WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THESE TIA IS WHEN YOU HAVE A ZONING CASE COME THROUGH.

SO THEY'RE BASED OFF OF NOBEL AND TIA.

SO THERE THEY ARE IDENTIFIED FUTURE ISSUES.

SOME OF THEM ARE SOME OF OUR CURRENT ISSUES, BUT SOME OF THEM, ESPECIALLY AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AND BECOME LARGER, SAY IF I FELT IN THIS PRISON, PARTLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PART OF THE BIG DEBATE THAT GOES ON.

AND A LOT IN ANTICIPATING KNOWN FUTURE IMPACTS, UH, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE FUNDING SOURCES ARE LOOKING AT YESTERDAY'S PROBLEMS AND THERE'S SOMETIMES VERY LITTLE OR NO LOOKING TOWARDS MARS PROFITS.

AND SO I THINK, I THINK THE BOARD HAS MORE FLEXIBILITY.

AND TONIGHT YOU CAN LOOK AT TODAY'S PROBLEMS, BUT YOU DO HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY AND LOOKING AT WHAT YOU FIXED TOMORROW ISSUE IS GOING TO BE AND ESTABLISHING PRIORITIES BASED ON THAT ALSO.

YEAH,

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THAT MEAN THAT'S THE ONLY THAT THAT YOU HAVE ANY, THE BOARD HAS ANY LEEWAY TO GET ANY FUNDING FOR A ROAD PROJECT OR ANYTHING IS THROUGH A ROBBERY.

ONCE SOMETHING'S ALREADY ZONED, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

THE FUNDING IS ON THE COUNTY.

AT THAT POINT, I'LL TELL YOU, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING FOR ME TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND SAY, ON AVERAGE, YOU'RE FINE.

WHEN YOU KNOW, DARN WELL FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS A DAY, IT'S, YOU KNOW, OFF THE CHARTS, BUT THEN THEIR STUDY AS WELL ON AVERAGE, OVER 24, 48 HOUR PERIOD, AND THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF CARS GOING THROUGH THERE IS FIVE.

AND THE OTHER THING IS, THEY'LL SAY, WELL, THERE'S NO PROBLEM YET.

WE SAY, WHEN WE IT'S COMING, CAUSE THERE'S ALSO DEVELOPMENT WELL, AFTER PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOUR OR FIVE LIGHTS, THEN COME BACK TO US AT THE VERY FRUSTRATING TO NOT BE ABLE TO PLAN WHEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT TILL IT SHOWS UP FIRST, THEN YOU CAN'T GET OUT IN FRONT OF IT.

AND THEN THE PROBLEM WHEN IT SHOWS UP IS I HAVE A JOB DAY, BUT YOU'RE FAILING FOR A LOT OF DAY.

AND THE ANSWER I'VE GOTTEN SO FAR IS THAT WE DON'T PLAN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA TO MAKE SURE THAT NO CAR ANYWHERE IS SLOWED DOWN TO A, TO A STOP BECAUSE EVERY CAR EVERYWHERE MOVES, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO PLAN FOR THAT.

SO ON AVERAGE, PEOPLE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH SOMETHING INCONVENIENCE, BUT IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING FROM PLANNERS LIKE US, TRYING TO GET IN FRONT OF US TO BE TOLD YOU HAVE TO WAIT TILL AFTER THE PROBLEM EXISTS.

AND IT HAS TO EXIST FOR A REALLY LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

NOT JUST A COUPLE HOURS A DAY.

TRANSPORTATION PLANNING IS, IS REACTIVE.

I THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING THIS AND WHY JOANNE WANTED TO DO THIS IS BECAUSE I'M A VERY FIRM BELIEVER IS THE ONLY WAY TO HANDLE TRANSPORTATION IS BY BEING PROACTIVE.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I KNOW IT'S A BURDEN.

I KNOW IT'S EXPENSIVE, BUT IF YOU'VE, IF YOU SEE YOUR ISSUES COMING, IT'S BETTER TO TACKLE HIM TACKLE HEAD ON.

AND JUST LIKE YOU JUST SAID THAN WAIT UNTIL IT BECOMES AN ISSUE.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD SEGUE TO GET TO THE FUNDING SOURCES BECAUSE I KNOW SUSAN, WE'RE NOT OVER AT THE TPO, THE LIGHT BULB CAME ON AND YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE KIND OF CHANGING THEIR APPROACH AND USING THE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA.

AND I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE CHANGES COMING TO DO SOME MORE PLANNING, BECAUSE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING IN TOUCH MORE WITH LOCALITIES, YOU START SOMETHING, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS IT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING.

SO WE PLAN AND FUNDING SOURCES OVER TIME IS WE'RE LOOKING FOR A GPO MONEY ARE ON CBTA MONEY AND WHETHER RSVP OR WHATEVER THE OTHER SOURCES, SORRY, AM I RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK HIS FUNDING SOURCE IS GOING TO BE MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO SOME MORE PLANNING.

I THINK SO.

SO THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE.

BUT OF COURSE, WHEN WE WERE LISTENING TO THIS, WE REALIZED WE'RE LEVERAGING FOR LEVERAGING DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES AGAINST EACH OTHER.

AND IF ONE GOES AWAY, THE WHOLE THING WILL COLLAPSE.

THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY HELPFUL IF WE GO THROUGH ALL THE FUNDING SOURCES AND IT SORT OF EXPLAINS AND WHAT, WHEN LEVERAGING, WE'RE APPROACHING EVERY BIT OF THIS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION.

NONE OF THIS IS UPDATED.

THAT'S MAINTENANCE THAT FEED UP.

THIS IS THAT'S A DIFFERENT BUT DIFFERENT POT OF MONEY AS WELL.

THIS $18 MILLION, UM, ACT UNFORTUNATELY FOR 2021, THERE'S NO FUNDING AVAILABLE.

SO THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE BROKEN DOWN INTO THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, THE FEDERAL FUNDING, STATE FUNDING AND LOCAL FUNDING.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH, IT'D BE, UM, FEDERAL CATEGORIES, UM, RIGHT NOW.

AND AGAIN, THESE ARE CHANGING REGULARLY.

UM, SO I MEAN, LITERALLY ONE OF THESE WAS CHANGED LIKE FOUR DAYS AGO.

SO, UM, THIS IS THE MOST UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION.

SO WE HAVE RST P AND C MAT FUNDS, AND THAT IS LOOK AT MY CHEAT SHEET, REGIONAL SURFACE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.

SO THAT IS MONEY THAT, UM, IS FUNNELED THROUGH THE, OUR TPO.

UM, WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY FUNDED UNDER THIS, UH, SOURCE.

WE HAVE THE HOCKET ROAD REALIGNMENT, UM, THAT'S A $5.5 MILLION.

UM, WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO GET THE FUNDS IN FYI 22 FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THEN RE ROUTE TWO 88 INTERCHANGE JUSTIFICATION REPORT, UM, WHICH IS $400,000.

THAT IS A STUDY TO LOOK AT IF THERE IS POTENTIAL TO HAVE ANOTHER INTERCHANGE BETWEEN TUCKAHOE BRIDGE AND BROAD STREET ON TWO 88, THAT WAS FUNDED THROUGH ART.

AND JOANNE OF COURSE, RSVP IS THE ONLY THING WE HAVE RAIL OR SEAMAC IS AIR QUALITY PATIENT.

DOESN'T GET ANY OF THAT.

UM, SO HOW HAS THIS MONEY ALLOCATED? AS I SAID, IT'S THROUGH THE TPO, UM, THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION AVERAGE IS ABOUT $18 MILLION A YEAR.

SO THAT MEANS EVERYBODY IN THE REGION AND FIGHT FOR

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UM, THE FUNDING SOURCE WAS REDUCED AND THEY ALLOCATED MONEY TO UNDERFUNDED PROJECTS.

SO NO FUNDING THIS YEAR, UM, BUT THE CRITERIA AND THE CRITERIA IS STARTING TO CHANGE AS WELL.

SO THIS IS THE FEDERAL FUNDING.

UM, SO THE ONLY PROJECTS THAT YOU CAN APPLY FOR ARE INTERSTATE ARTERIAL AND MAJOR COLLECTORS FOR LOCAL ROADS ARE MODERN COLLECTOR.

AND THEN ALSO BRIDGE AND TUNNEL PROJECTS, SAFETY TRAILS, UM, EVALUATION OF BRIDGES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO COME BACK TO THAT.

SOME MAY BE A PLACE TO COME SEE THAT RECREATIONAL TRAILS, PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE PROJECTS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE OTHER COUNTIES IN THE AREA ARE APPLYING FOR, YOU WILL SEE THE OTHER COUNTIES HAVE FIGURED THIS OUT AND THERE'S LOOK AT HENRICO CHESTERFIELD, TONS OF PENN AND BIKE THINGS ARE THROWN INTO THE MIX AS WELL.

BUT IT'S I SAY WHAT WE ARE FINDING OUT AND TALKING WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER LOCALITIES, SUCH AS CHESTERFIELD AND ENRICO IS THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY GETTING FUNDED FUNDING FOR THEIR MOST NEEDED PROJECTS.

THEY ARE GETTING FUNDING FOR PROJECTS.

THEY KNOW THEY CAN GET FUNDING FOR, OR THEY'RE APPLYING, THEY'RE APPLYING FOR FUNDING.

THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN THING, THAT'S SKEWING THE WHOLE THING.

BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT TO GET SOME FUNDING.

SO SOMETIMES CAN YOU DO A ROAD WIDENING PROJECT AND TYPE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE INTO IT? IS THAT A WAY TO KIND OF CAPTURE A KNEE I IN VEHICLE LEAD, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TOUCHING ON SOMETHING THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE'VE BEEN.

AND DO WE WANT TO CHANGE IN THE PAST, WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT A MAJOR THEATER FOR A PLAN.

THE SMART SCALE STUDY GOT THE, UH, THE AMP STUDIES AND STARTED STUDIES WITH IDENTIFYING OUR NEEDS.

AND THEN WE'VE BEEN, UM, FILING APPLICATIONS TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS.

BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN TIERING OUR APPLICATIONS AS WE JUST DISCUSSED.

WE HAVEN'T BEEN FILING APPLICATIONS NECESSARILY THAT WE THINK WOULD BE MORE COMPETITIVE.

AND SO I THINK IF WE WANT TO CHANGE, THAT'S PART OF WHAT, THE DIRECTION THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR.

HERE'S WHAT I SAID WHEN WE WENT OVER THIS BEFORE THE SEC, THE SEC, THE SECOND TIME WE DID, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON, WE WERE KIND OF AT THE TAIL END OF SOME SMART SCALE RESULTS.

WE HAD FOUR THINGS.

WE GOT ZERO DIDN'T SCORE THAT WELL.

SO COME BACK FAST FORWARD.

WE'RE APPLYING AGAIN.

WE'RE APPLYING FOR THE FOUR SAME THINGS.

OF COURSE, I'M JUST THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK.

I'M LIKE, WHOA, SOMETHING CHANGED.

DO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN ONE OF THESE? AND THE ANSWER WAS, WELL, THOSE, THESE ARE OUR NEEDS.

COOL.

AND TO START SMART SCALE SCORING CHANGES EVERY YEAR.

SO YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY TELL HER AN APPLICATION.

YOU MAY BE TAILORING IT BASED ON WHAT SPORT, WELL, LAST YEAR.

AND SO THAT THAT'LL BE COVERED FURTHER AND TRIMARK SCOUT.

WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE.

THE WEIGHT CHANGES EVERY YEAR.

THE VALUE OF IT, BUT THEY'RE DOING BETTER.

AREN'T THEY DOING BETTER AT DISCLOSING WHAT'S IN THE BLACK BOX? NO, SIR.

NO, NO, NO.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY.

THERE IS A PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT SHOWED THE JOANNA WILL COVER BECAUSE THE SMART SCALE THAT NOBODY KNOWS UNTIL IT'S BEEN SCORED AND IT CHANGES EVERY, EVERY FINDING THE EXAMPLE THAT CAME OUT OF THE LAB, THE 2018 SCORING, UM, AND TO DIG INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF HOW WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW IS THAT IN THE PAST, THEY'D ALWAYS CALLED THE NORMALIZE, THE SCORES.

IT WAS A HUNDRED PROJECTS.

THE PROJECT GREATEST SCENIC CATEGORY GETS A HUNDRED POINTS.

THE SECOND WAS 99 AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LEAST NEED THE PROJECT GETS ONE.

AND THAT'S THE BASIS THEY USE THE SCORING.

WE DID NOT REALIZE IN 2018 THAT THEY, THEY DECIDED NOT TO NORMALIZE THE SCORES.

THEY SAT TO DO PROPORTIONAL.

AND THEY DID THAT IN THE CONGESTION.

WHAT THEY ENDED UP DOING THE HAMPTON ROADS TUNNEL GOT A HUNDRED IN THE SECOND PLACE PROJECT IN THAT CATEGORY.

GOT THE, I DON'T REMEMBER THE SCORE.

IT'S LET'S SAY 10.

SO WE DID NOT KNOW IN ADVANCE.

IF THEY WERE GOING TO CHANGE, WE KNEW ALL THE ELEMENTS, BUT WE DID NOT KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE HOW THEY SCORED IT.

THE VALUE OF THE CONTRACT MITIGATION PROPORTIONAL IS, IS WHAT, RIGHT.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN ABOUT PROPORTIONAL TRAP BY THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION? YEAH.

THE, THE RAW DATA, THERE WAS A, THEY USE THE BROAD LINE TO COME OUT WITH THE SCORE.

I THINK THAT'S, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO REALLY LET JOANNE TO GET TO THE PIECE THAT WE REALLY NEEDED TO GET TO.

AND I THINK IT'LL BE, I THINK IT'LL OPEN UP YOUR EYES A LITTLE BIT TOO.

IF WE SEE THE OTHER BIG COUNTIES, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THEIR UNIVERSAL SCOPE OF PROJECTS AND I'M LIKE, THEY'RE APPLYING FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS.

WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO JUST CAUSE, CAUSE TOM SAID IT WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE AND, AND I'M, I'M KIND OF AN ADVOCATE FOR THE CHANGE BECAUSE I THINK AT LEAST IF WE HAVE FORCED WHATEVER SMART SCALE OF THESE APPLICATIONS,

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SO EITHER THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW.

SO I THINK MY, IF YOU ASK ME, I WOULD SAY, OKAY, LET'S FOCUS ON OUR TOP TWO, BUT LET'S THROW A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THAT WE THINK WE'RE NOT YET THERE.

LET ME GET THE THINGS WE DON'T REALLY WANT AND CAN'T GET THE ONES THAT WE REALLY NEED.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS THOUGH? I UNDERSTAND.

BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BENEFIT FROM.

NO, I'M SAYING PEOPLE APPLYING FOR MONEY FOR BIKE PATHS, YOU KNOW, I WONDER WHY WE'RE ON THIS ROAD.

ALL OF A SUDDEN GOT EXTENDED ALL THROUGH AN AREA AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING SUSTAINABLE FUNDING FOR THAT.

AND THEN THE COST OF ADDING A LANE IS MINUSCULE IN COMPARISON.

I DON'T KNOW, ONLINE TRAIL THING.

THE CRITERIA FOR US KEEPING WE HADN'T GOTTEN THE SMART SCALE YET.

THIS IS STILL THE FIRST FEDERAL FUNDING SOURCE.

UM, SO THE FUNDING CRITERIA.

SO NOW THIS AGAIN, USED TO BE SITTING AROUND TECH MEMBERS.

NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO A COMPETITIVELY RANKED PROCESS.

SO THE FIRST CRITERIA, AND IT HAS TO BE IN THE REGIONAL LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, 2045, 45.

WE'LL CHECK ON THAT.

UM, SO THEY ARE CONSIDERING THIS LIKE A SMART SCALE LIFE.

SO THE CRITERIA OF HAVING FOUR PROJECTS AND THEY MUST BE USED TO INCREASE CAPACITY AND STUDIES FUNDED.

SO WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME MAPS OF WHY MICHELIN DOESN'T SCORE VERY WELL ON THIS SMART SCALE, LIKE, UM, APPLICATIONS.

SO AGAIN, SO THESE ARE THE ROADS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE, UM, THIS IS THE REGIONAL TRACK MODEL.

SO THESE ARE THE ROADS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR US TO APPLY FOR RSVP FUNDS PRETTY WELL DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.

UM, AND THEN THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLING THEIR SMART SCALE OF LIGHTS.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO COMPETITIVELY NOW BASED THIS $18 MILLION PROJECTED ANNUALLY, UM, BOX SAFETY, MOBILITY, EQUITY EQUITY.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT EQUITY, IT DEALS WITH A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AREAS.

ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AREAS ARE LOW INCOME, UM, MINORITIES, UM, AGE ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, UM, ACCESS TO DESTINATIONS.

WE HAVE A MAP SHOWING YOU THAT, UH, THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE TIED TO TRUCK INTENSIVE AREAS, UM, AIR POLLUTION, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOME MAPS, UM, OF HOW WE, WHAT THAT SORT OF TAKES US OUT RIGHT AWAY.

SO THIS IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AREAS IN THE COUNTY AND REGION.

SO THE AREAS IN RED, IF YOU HAD A PROJECT IN THOSE AREAS, YOUR SCORE WOULD BE MUCH, MUCH HIGHER.

YOU CAN SEE HUGE CLINIC HAS NO ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AREA.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES THAT WE JUST WOULD NOT SCORE AT ALL, PROBABLY BECAUSE ONLY HALF OF GUCCI.

IF THEY, IF THEY INCLUDE ALL GOOCHLAND THAT COULD OPEN UP AREAS WHERE THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY FALL IN FIVE YEARS, WE HAVE SOME SENTENCES.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A LONG ENOUGH QUESTION BY OPENING IT UP AND ADDING RIGHT NOW OR TO GET THOSE TWO FAIR ENOUGH.

WHAT'S THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE TO QUALIFY DJ.

WE DON'T HAVE THE CONCENTRATIONS OF THAT.

SO THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT COUNTY WIDE DATA.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHETHER IT'S A SENSE OF STATE OR WHATEVER THE SOURCES.

SO WE HAVE PERSONS THAT QUALIFY UNDER ALL THOSE EJA AREAS, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE CONCENTRATED IN A MANNER THAT ARE GOING TO SHOW UP ON A SCREEN.

THE ONLY SCREEN WE DO HAVE SOME AREAS TO SHOW UP ON BASED ON HBASE SCREENING.

UM, BUT WHEN YOU STACK THEM ALL TOGETHER IN AN OVERALL EJA SCORE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY AREAS THAT CAN BE DESIGNATED AS EACH OF THOSE AREAS.

SO FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE LOOKING AT TRUNK INTENSIVE AREAS.

UM, SO WE HAVE TWO AREAS.

WE DO HAVE THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT ASHLAND ROAD, AND THEN THIS IS OUR CITY, ROUTE SIX TO, UM, THE LUCK AREAS.

SO THOSE WOULD BE THE ONLY AREAS OF THE COUNTY THAT WE WOULD SCORE FOR, FOR TRUMP INTENSIVE.

UM, THESE ARE REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS, SO ACCESS TO A REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTER, YOUR SCORE MUCH HIGHER.

UM, THESE ACTIVITY CENTERS ARE, UM, TIED EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS.

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UM, SO OURS IS WEST CREEK.

UH, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE IN THE COUNTY, BUT TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, IT'S THINGS LIKE, UM, KINGS DOMINION, DEFENSE SUPPLY CENTER, UM, CHESTERFIELD GOVERNMENT CENTER, VIRGINIA CENTER COMMENTS, THOSE TYPES OF, UH, AREAS REGIONALLY.

SO AFTER SAYING ALL THAT, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR RSVP SEAMAC FUNDS.

NOW THAT'S DOESN'T MEAN THAT ALL OF THESE WOULD BE GOOD APPLICATIONS.

WE'RE JUST TELLING YOU THAT THIS, THEY MEET THOSE CRITERIA.

UM, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE, AS WE GO, , WE'RE GOING TO, AND THEN AT THE END, WE'RE HOPING TO GET SOME PRIORITIES DRY ON THE FIRST SLIDE, THE SECTION WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR THE VEHICLE, THAT'S, I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY.

UH, NO.

UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SCORING, WHERE YOU, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THEM, IT WAS THE ONE WITH THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE WEIGHTS, BUT IS IT EXCEL, CRASH FREQUENCY? IS THAT THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF CRASHES OR ARE THESE JUST ROCK? IS THIS RAW NUMBERS OR IS THIS A PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION? IS IT THE SCORING YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS LIKE WITH CASH CRASH, FREQUENCY AND CRASH RATE, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMPARED EACH APPLICATION IS GOING TO BE COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER APPLICATIONS.

SO THAT'S THAT.

SO THE NUMBER OF CRASHES WILL BE ONE.

UH, SO OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD FAVOR A LOCATION THAT HAS MORE CRASHES, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, SUDAN.

MOST OF THESE, EVEN WITH THE READING, THE STABILITY, HE GETS OUT A PURE JUST NUMBER, BUT LIKE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THRESHOLD 22,000 CARS A DAY FOR SOME OF THE QUALIFIERS, JUST BECAUSE OF OUR POPULATION WILL NEVER PROBLEM, CORRECT.

LIKE CRASH FREQUENCY THAT WE WOULD, UH, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME SCREENS LIKE A TWO 88 OR 64 THAT MIGHT SHOW UP ON A CRASH FREQUENCY.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE OUR LOCAL ROADS.

UH, CRASH RATE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

THAT IS MORE RELATIVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, COMPARING ROADS OF SIMILAR SIZES.

SO YOU COULD HAVE, UH, A CRASH RATE, UM, ON A, MAYBE A LOWER VOLUME ROAD THAT HAS A HIGH CRASH RATE.

SO WE MIGHT HAVE SOME ROADS IF WE HAD ANY ACCIDENT PROBLEMS THAT MIGHT SHOW UP OR SHOW UP HIERARCH CRASH RATES, THE CRASH IS RATED PER VEHICLE PER DAY WOULD KIND OF BE A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

SO OKAY.

TO CHAT ABOUT SMART SCALE.

UM, SO RIGHT NOW, UH, WE HAVE NO PROJECTS, UM, FUNDED.

SO THIS IS STARTED IN 2015 AND IT'S A BI-ANNUAL, UM, APPLICATION CYCLE.

UM, AND THE FIRST YEAR WE DID GET THREE PROJECTS FUNDED, UM, TWO 88, TWO 50 INTERCHANGE.

THAT'S AGAIN, WHERE WE HAD THAT FATALITY, SO THAT, UM, PROBABLY FACTORED INTO OUR SCORE, THE WEST CREEK PARKWAY, SIGNALIZATION AND PATTERSON AVENUE.

AND THEN WE DID GET FUNDING FOR, UM, I 64 RAMPS LEGALIZATION AT ASHLYNN ROAD.

UM, ONCE WE'VE LENT TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD, UM, THEY DID A SIGNAL ANALYSIS.

THEY SAID IT WAS NOT MET.

SO THEY PULLED THE MONEY BACK FROM US.

UM, BUT ONE THING TO DOTE IS ALSO WAS, UM, SMART SCALE IS THE, THE SMALLER PROJECTS GET FUNDED EASIER BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FUND THE WHOLE PROJECT.

SO THESE TWO PROJECTS, AREN'T HUGE DOLLAR NUMBERS WHERE YOU SEE SOME OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR PARSCALE FUNDS ARE MORE THE 16 AT 16 TO $20 MILLION RANGE.

AND, UM, THAT ALSO IMPACTS, UM, THE SCORING.

UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT $16 MILLION APPROXIMATELY FOR THE REGION.

SO IF WE HAVE ONE PROJECT THAT'S 16 MILLION, YOU'D GET, YOU KNOW, SO REGION THAT'S NOT DISTRICT.

YEAH, WE DID OH, SO THE 18 MILLION IS JUST OURS TODAY.

THERE'S A DISTRICT, THE RICHMOND DISTRICT CALLS A WEEK DOWN TO THE NORTH CAROLINA LINE, RIGHT? YES.

MA'AM YES.

ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SOUTHFIELD BEAT ON RICHMOND MINISTERS.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING WHEN YOU SAID REGION, I WAS WONDERING IT'S RICHMOND REGION, OR IF IT'S TYPE V DOT DISHES TO RICHMOND DISTRICT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, 18, YOU SAID 18 MILLION FOR OUR TPO RCBC MATT, DO WE HAVE A SPLIT? WHAT PORTION OF THAT? THE FED SEE MAP SOME OF IT TO SEE MACRO, RIGHT.

SO THE POINT IS IT'S EVEN SOMETHING.

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CAUSE I WAS LOOKING SO, SO I'M, SO I THINK WHERE OUR BIG POTS, SO WE'VE GOT 18 MILLION IN THE REGION.

WE GOT 16 MILLION LESS THAN THAT FOR THE WHOLE RICHMOND DISTRICT.

SO THAT'S EVEN LESS MONEY FOR A MUCH LARGER GEOGRAPHIC AREA, RIGHT? WITH THE SMART SCALE, THERE ARE TWO POTS OF FUNDING, THERE'S STATEWIDE FUNDING AND THEN DISTRICT LEVEL FUNDING.

SO, UM, STATEWIDE, IT HAS TO BE LOCATED ON A CORRIDOR OR STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE.

SO THAT WOULD BE 64, UM, AND BROAD STREET IN GOOCHLAND.

UH, THERE ISN'T ONE, THE CHIEF THAT FIVE, FIVE THAT CATEGORY AND THEN THE DISTRICT POT OF MONEY, WHICH IS THE, UM, 16 MILLION.

IT HAS TO BE EITHER ONE OF THOSE, UM, OR REGIONAL NETWORK OR IN AN URBAN AREA.

SO OUR AREAS OF BOTH COURTHOUSE AND CENTERVILLE, BOB QUALIFY FOR AN URBAN AREA, UM, THEY DO LIKE TO DO A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING.

UM, THEY WILL DO PROJECTS FOR PASADENA SAFETY, OPERATIONS, ACCESS MANAGEMENT, UM, INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS AND DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS WITH RAMP MODIFICATIONS.

THEY'RE REALLY BIG ON ROAD DIET WHERE YOU'RE NOT EXPANDING THE ROADS, BUT YOU'RE MAKING THE EXISTING ROADS MORE EFFICIENT, UM, BUS STOPS, BIKE, PEDS, THAT SORT OF THINGS.

UM, AND THERE IS A PRIORITY TO NATION BASED ON THE BENEFIT OF THE PROJECT RELATIVE TO THE COST.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE COST BENEFIT, UM, REALLY PLAYS IN WITH THE SMART SCALE.

SO THIS IS THE HOUSE SMART SCALE SCORING WORK.

SO, UM, AND THIS, THE CATEGORIES AND THE VALUE AT ALL ARE, UM, UH, GENERATED BY OIL, UM, THROUGH THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION'S OFFICE.

UM, AND THE VALUE DOES CHANGE EVERY YEAR.

SO, ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO GO OVER THE MATH WITH YOU.

SO IT IS CONFUSING.

SO THESE ARE THE CATEGORIES, THE SMART SCALE, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH RST RSVP.

THESE ARE THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES.

SO WHAT THEY DO IS THE VALUE, THE VALUE IS THE BLACK BOX.

THAT IS WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.

SO WHEN THEY GET ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS, THEY COME UP WITH THAT VALUE.

SO THAT VALUE DOES CHANGE EVERY YEAR.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE EACH APPLICATION.

SO DID THEY DO THE VALUE TIMES THE WEIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE THESE NUMBERS TIMES THE SMART SCALE WEIGHT, WHICH IS THIS DIVIDED BY THE SMART SCALE COST.

SO THE LOWER, THE COST MORE MONEY YOU HAVE TO PUT TO THE PROJECT, THE HIGHER YOUR PROJECT SCORE.

SO I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S CRAZY NEW MATH.

WHAT IS YOUR VALUE EXPRESSED? HOW HAS, HOW HAS THE VALUE EXPRESSED DOLL? WHAT IS IT? IS IT PERCENT? IT'S A NUMBER OF PERCENTAGE OR I WOULD SAY NUMBER, IT'S A NUMBER, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GET IT.

THEY WILL TELL US AFTER THE, AFTER THE PROJECTS SPORTS, OR BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING WE KNOW THIS FOR CERTAIN SURE THAT THEY DON'T COME UP, THAT VALUE ADD, BUT THEY DON'T SAY, OKAY, THESE VALUES, THEY DON'T TELL US THAT SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATIONS.

YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT THEY GET THE APPLICATION AND THEN THEY COME UP WITH THE VALUES.

WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.

THEY'VE WRITTEN EVERYTHING OUT, BUT WE DON'T THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO ATTRIBUTE.

OTHERWISE THEY'RE SAYING I KNOW, WE KNOW THEY, THEY TELL US THEY GET POINTS.

WE DON'T KNOW.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE DON'T KNOW IS IT'S ALL COMPARED AGAINST OTHER PROJECTS.

SO EVERY YEAR WHEN YOU GET DIFFERENT AFRICAN POLE, THAT'S GOING TO OFFSET THE SCORES.

BECAUSE IF ONE YEAR YOU HAVE MORE INTERSTATE PROJECTS, THAT'S GOING TO CREATE PROBABLY MORE COMPETITION IN THAT AREA.

AND THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT CERTAIN CONGESTION SCORES.

BUT ANOTHER YEAR YOU HAVE MORE BYPASS APPLICATIONS, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE COMPETITION OVER THERE.

SO JUST, JUST THE, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S ALL THE PROJECTS ARE SCORED ALL THESE CATEGORIES, UM, WHO THE COMPETITION IS, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THAT PROJECT SCORE FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

THEY'RE AWESOME.

THEY'RE SUPPOSEDLY IS OKAY.

HERE'S WHAT THE SCORES ARE GOING TO BE.

AND THEN THEY GET THE APPLICATIONS AS OPPOSED TO GOING, OH, WE WANT THIS PROJECT FOR RICHMOND TO DO WELL.

SO NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, WE'RE WAITING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PRODUCT IS THERE A WEEK.

WE COULD STILL BE DOING THAT.

THEY STILL COULDN'T BE FIXED IN THERE.

THERE'S OTHER LITTLE TWIST TOO.

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THEY DO LIKE TRAINS.

IT GETS A MORE EASIER SCORE.

I THINK IT'S PERSON THROUGHPUT.

SO TRAINS, IT GETS A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THERE.

SO IT'S NOT QUITE AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON TO A VEHICULAR.

UM, SO THERE'S SOME OF THERE THERE'S SOME LITTLE TWISTS.

AND AS WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME, IS THERE A POTENTIAL TO MANIPULATE THE OUTCOME THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT ARE IDENTICAL APPLICATION YEAR, YEAR, WE GET THE PERFECT.

WE'VE SEEN THIS NO IDEA.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY MANIPULATING THE SCORE AFTER THE FACT.

AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT A FOIL REQUESTS WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT.

ALL I CAN SAY FOR CERTAIN IS, IS THAT NONE OF US, NONE OF THE LOCALITIES HAVE ANY CLUE AS TO HOW TO APPLY FOR A PROJECT AND MAKE IT FIT THE CRITERIA TO ENHANCE OUR POTENTIAL.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT VALUE IS OR TALK ABOUT THAT.

THE VALUE THOMPSON, WHAT WAY? WHAT IS THE SECOND WAY? IT'S THE FIRST ROW, THE FIRST ROW.

THIS IS THE ONE THAT YOU SIT DOWN WITH THE SMART SCALE WAY, TIME TO START SCALING.

THERE'S TWO WAYS.

IT'S VALUE TIMES, WAIT, THESE NUMBERS 70% AND 30%, 50% SMART SKILL IS THE OTHER COMPETENCE SCALE.

THE SMART SCALE.

WAIT, IS THAT HOW, YEAH.

SO VALUE TOMS, THOSE WEIGHTS ON THE RIGHT COME ALONG.

PERFORMANCE MEASURES.

TAKE THAT TIMES, TIMES THE SMART SCALE WEIGHT AND HOW, AND SO THERE'S A, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME KIND OF, I HOPE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA IN THAT SMART SCALING WAY, BUT I'M GETTING CONFUSED.

I THOUGHT THAT 20% SAFETY WEIGHT WAS FROM THE FATAL INJURY CRASHED NUMBERS.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH THE, ON THE RIGHT, SAY THAT NUMBER IS 50.

YOU TAKE THAT 50 YEARS.

TIME IS 20%.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A SCORE FOR THAT.

THAT'S A SMART SCALE WAY.

, WE'LL GIVE YOU 20%.

WE'LL MAKE IT EASY TO SAY A HUNDRED TRIES FRANK OR SOMETHING.

SO YOU GET 20 FOR THAT SECTION.

THEN THE NEXT ONE IS A HUNDRED.

IT'S GOING TO BE 15.

SO YOU'VE GIVEN ME THE SMART SCALE OF WEIGHT OR THE FIRST WAY, WHICH YOU HAVE TO GET THE SMARTS TO GO.

WE ARE THE VALLEY, WAIT FOR THE PERFORMANCE MEASURE FIRST.

AND YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY THE SMART SCALE.

SO , IT'S CRAZY BECAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE ONLY THING.

AND ALL OF THOSE VARIABLES THAT WE HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IS THE LAST THING, THE SMART SCALE SCORE, THE SMART SCALE COSTS.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE HAVE ANY CONTROL AND THE ONLY CONTROL WE HAVE IS WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE.

WELL, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IS, IS THAT, UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU CANNOT OVERCOME SCORING CRITERIA IF IT IS WHAT IT IS, IF IT'S NOT IN YOUR FAVOR, BUT IT DOES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE, PUTTING IT IN A REALLY, REALLY GOOD COMPREHENSIVE APPLICATION THAT CAN HELP IT.

DOESN'T OVERCOME THE SCORING SITUATION AT THE END OF THE DAY.

IT'S SINCE THE COST AND THE BENEFIT, AND THAT'S WHERE THE LEVERAGING CONVERSATION COMES IN AND EVERYTHING THAT JOANNE IS GOING TO GET TO.

SO, SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY A COMPREHENSIVE APPLICATION? DOES THAT MEAN WE SHOULD SPEND MORE MONEY ON DOING MORE WORK, TO KNOW MORE STUDIES, MORE STUFF IN THE APPLICATION MAYBE, BUT I THINK, I THINK IT GOES TO, WE HAD A MEETING TWO, THREE MONTHS AGO WITH MARISCOS POSTS MAY SAID THEY'RE WILLING TO COME ALONGSIDE US AND HELP US WITH OUR APPLICATIONS.

SO I THINK THAT THERE WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PIECE OF IT, WHICH IS, HEY, LET'S GET OUR APPLICATIONS IN THERE.

THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO SORT OF HELP US SAY, OH, FILL OUT THIS BOX OR DO THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, KYLIE'S, AREN'T TAKING THEM UP ON THAT.

SO THEY'RE MAKING THIS OFFER TO PARTNER TO HELP THAT PATIENTS BE AS STRONG AS MY PRODUCT.

WE ABSOLUTELY WILL.

RICHMOND DISTRICT RICHMOND DISTRICT PLANNING HAS VOLUNTEERED TO HELP ANY LOCALITIES.

TO DO THE TEMPS, THAT ENGINEERING TYPE OF ANALYSIS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE.

AND THEY SAID TO GET THE BEST APPLICATION, I ASKED HIM SPECIFICALLY, DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKING YOU OUT ON THIS AND THAT? SHE SAID, NO, BUT ONCE THEY FIND OUT PEOPLE WILL, SO LET'S BE INNOVATIVE AND WE'LL LEAVE THE REGION.

WELL, SHIT, THIS IS ALL BEING RECORDED.

POWER TANS WATCHING NOW.

SURE.

I SCREEN THIS APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN BASED ON THINGS LIKE THE AMP STUDY STAR STATUS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

VERY DATA INTENSIVE APPLICATIONS HAVE HAD A LOT OF DATA.

SO ABSOLUTELY THE REST OF THE DISTRICT FACULTY HAVE BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH, BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT IT STOPS OUR PRIORITIES THAT WE WANT TO BE FOCUSED BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE PRODUCE THAT.

HEY, SO ESTABLISHING OUR PRIORITIES.

IF WE HAVE THAT DATA FROM A STAR STUDY, THAT'S GREAT, BUT WE DON'T, WE WILL HAVE TO DO THE, UM, THE TIA TYPE ANALYSIS.

WE'LL HAVE

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SO WE'LL TAKE SOME LOCAL RESOURCES TO DO THAT IF WE DON'T.

AND THAT TIES BACK TO OUR A HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR.

THE QUESTION I WANT TO ASK FOR THAT IS WHAT IS THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THESE? SOME OF THESE STUDIES ALL DIFFERENT.

SO WE GET A STUDY DONE AND IT GETS, IF YOU SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, I CAN'T BELIEVE NOBODY BOUGHT IT.

THERE WAS $400,000 STUDY, WHICH BLOWS MY MIND.

UM, HOW LONG ARE THEY GOOD FOR? LIKE, SO WE SHOULDN'T BE STUDYING EVERYTHING WE KNOW WE'RE NEVER GOING TO PUT IT UP OR NO, I THINK WE'D WANT TO STUDY IT AS, AS IT COMES UP.

THE MOST RECENT DATA IS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF IT IS NUMERICAL.

UM, YOU CAN, IF IT'S A 2018 STUDY OR 2017 STUDY IT'S NUMERICAL, SO WE CAN APPLY GROWTH RATES TO IT, TO, TO LIVE INFORMATION, TO MOVE FORWARD.

THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN IT STAY ON SOME OF THE CRASH RATES, WE'RE LOOKING AT FIVE YEARS.

SO THAT'LL, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

EVERY APPLICATIONS, CAUSE IT WILL BE, THAT'LL BE UPDATED.

SO, BUT TO YOUR POINT, UM, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? THE ONE THAT GOT FUNDED, IT GOT FUNDED BECAUSE THE STUDY WASN'T DONE ON THE TRAFFIC.

SO HAVE WE HAD THAT STUDY? YOU WOULD'VE KNOWN ALL THAT.

WON'T QUALIFY BECAUSE IT DOES SORT OF PREVENTS US FROM PUTTING AN APPLICATION IN THAT WE KNOW WON'T BE, UH, THAT, THAT EVEN IF IT GETS APPROVED, THAT'S WHEN IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD.

BECAUSE THE STUDY WASN'T DONE AHEAD OF TIME, HOW THE STUDY BEEN DONE, WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH, WHAT'S THE TERM MICHAEL SIGNAL OR SIGNAL WARRANTS.

THERE WAS ENOUGH TRAFFIC WARRANTS AND SIGNALS, BUT SEPARATELY, IT WASN'T QUIET AT THE TIME, BY THE WAY IT IS REQUIRED.

SIGMAR NOW HAS TO BE PART OF THE DATA IT'S WITH THE APPLICATIONS.

I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY TAKING US THERE, BUT THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME, BUT I'M JUST THINKING .

BUT I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING THIS WHOLE CBTA MONEY.

WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH IT? DO WE EVEN MESS WITH THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE VARIABLES, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THIS, DOESN'T SAY, OR SHOULD WE JUST SAY, WE'RE GOING TO START DOING OUR OWN PROJECTS WITH OUR CPQ? WELL, THERE'S ALSO NOT A HUGE POT OF MONEY IN THE SCENE.

LET'S GET TO THAT IT A CHALLENGE.

CAN WE TAKE IT AND TRY TO LEVERAGE TO GET SOMETHING? OR IS THIS, I MEAN, CAUSE THIS IS INSANE ACTUALLY.

WHAT'S THE NEXT, THE NEXT THING SO LEVERAGING.

SO ONE OF OUR CONVERSATIONS, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PRIORITIZATION IN THE CBTA, WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH WE GET.

UM, DO WE WANT TO START LEVERAGING PROJECTS DUE OR DO WANT TO USE THAT MONEY TO ACTUALLY GET PROJECTS FUNDED THAT FOR SMALLER PROJECTS THAT WE CAN GET DONE.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE CONVERSATION AS PART OF, RIGHT.

AND THIS GOES BACK TO MY LESSON FROM THE SMART SCALE WHEN WE WERE AT THE TPO MEETING A YEAR OR MORE AGO AND MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, AND THEY WERE GOING OVER THE RESULTS AND PALLET TAN WAS, THERE WAS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT.

THEY WANTED ME TO DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF PROJECTS, 20 SOMETHING OR WHATEVER IT WAS MADE.

IT WAS LIKE 10 OR SOMETHING BELOW.

OF COURSE, DAVID WILLIAMS ASKED THE QUESTION.

I WAS THINKING LIKE, HEY, AND HE'S PELOTON, PREPPER BOARD, LIKE, HEY, CAN, CAN WE GO BACK AND PUT SOME MORE MONEY AND PUT SOME MORE MONEY IN IT? WILL YOU RESCORE THEM? AND OF COURSE EVERYBODY'S LAUGHING, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT.

LIKE IF I HAD ANY IDEA, I WOULD'VE, I WOULD'VE DONE, BUT OF COURSE, THEN A NEW KID SAYS, WELL, I WOULDN'T LET YOU DO THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE THE CUTOUT ATTENDED.

SO IT'S, IT'S JUST BIZARRE, BUT WE HAVE TO THEN GIVE, BE SOME METHODOLOGY TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT'S PRUDENT IN TERMS OF, THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE ANY DECISIONS, JUST HEARING ONE PIECE.

I THINK YOU NEED TO SEE YOUR, ALL THE FUNDING MECHANISMS BECAUSE THEY ALL PLAY OFF OF EACH OTHER EVEN MORE NOW.

UM, UH, ABIGAIL SPAM BURGERS OFFICE, UM, FOR THE RELIEF FUND MONEY MONEY.

UM, SO THEN AGAIN, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR SMART SCALE, UM, AND WE'LL GO OVER PRIORITIES AT THE END.

UM, SOME NEW FUNDING SOURCES.

UM, WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS ONE ON MAY SIX TO, I THINK, THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK.

UM, THIS IS THEY'RE CALLING IT FIT FUNDING HIGHWAY INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM.

UM, THIS IS MONEY PROGRAM FROM PROJECT CONGRESS.

THE CROWN OF IRIS, UM, TPO IS ESTIMATING THAN OTHER REGIONAL SHARE.

WE'LL LEAVE OUT 7.6 MILLION.

UM, I KNEW, UM, MS. LUMPKINS AND GLASGOW, THAT WAS AT THE MEETING WHERE THEY FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS.

IT SEEMS LIKE THEY MAY BE DOING A PORTION AT CHAIR TO THE LOCALITIES, BUT AGAIN, AND SO I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT THAT OBLIGATION DATE THAT'S IMPORTANT.

SO, UM, AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS TO, TO TELL YOU MORE BUT WANTING TO INCLUDE IT SINCE IT WAS JUST THERE.

ANOTHER THING WE DID WITH, UM, COVID FUNDING IS WE DID WORK WITH,

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AND WE DID APPLY FOR A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THROUGH A CAR, UM, HAVE NOT HEARD BACK YET, BUT SO WE ARE SEARCHING OUT EVERY FUNDING SOURCE.

THAT IS AWESOME.

SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ON YOUR LAST BOLT ON YOUR LAST BULLET ON THAT SLIDE.

CAUSE CAUSE WHEN I SEE OUR, OUR TPO SHARE OF THIS IS 7.6 MILLION.

SO THAT MAKES ME THINK, OKAY, WHERE DO WE GO? THE SMART SCALE IS THROUGH THE DOT, RIGHT? YES.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR STP.

I SAID THAT I CAN, RIGHT.

THAT'S THE RTP UP.

SO WHEN I SEE CONGRESS DOING SOMETHING NEW AND THEY'RE RUNNING IT THROUGH OUR RTP UP, OKAY, WELL OUR GPO IS A PASS THROUGH FOR EVERYTHING, ALL THE UNDERSTOOD.

BUT, UM, AND THIS WILL GET TO MY QUESTION I'M WONDERING IS, IS THE MOVEMENT MORE TOWARDS THINGS GOING THROUGH THE TPO UNTIL WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH TPO LESS V DOT, BUT THEN I SEE YOUR LAST BULLET STAFF WILL COORDINATE WITH.TO DEVELOP A RECOMMENDATION FOR USE OF THESE FUNDS.

SO OUR TPO IS A PASS THROUGH, BUT DOES OUR TPO HAVE ANY SAY IN THIS OR IS THIS PURELY JUST LIKE THEY'RE SITTING OUT THERE NOT DOING ANYTHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH BITA EXCLUSIVELY.

YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH.

I'M TRYING TO LIKE, WHERE'S THE CONTROL.

IN THIS SITUATION IT WAS A FEDERAL SOURCE.

SO SINCE THE OURS THAT YOU BUY AS A FEDERAL SOURCE, THEY USE THE SAME MECHANISM TO DISTRIBUTE THE, WHICH THE TPO, WE ACTUALLY HAVE NO MENTION.

SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT GUIDANCE WE'RE GOING TO GET YET FROM, FROM IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TACK OF THE TPS, WHAT KIND OF GUIDANCE THEY'RE GOING TO GET, I'LL HAVE THIS MONEY.

SO IT'S ALL SMART SCALE, MONEY, STATE MONEY.

UH, WELL, NO, YES, YES.

I GUESS SO BECAUSE OF THE WEAPON, WHAT'D YOU THINK THE, FOR THE TPO, WITH, WITH FEDERAL FUNDS, THE GENERAL GUIDELINES ARE SET BY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION.

SO THE TPO HAS BEEN GIVEN GUIDANCE BY THE FEDS.

THEN THEY'LL WORK DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING SOURCE.

THEY MAY WORK WITH V.TO GET A BEAT ON CARRY THE, YOU KNOW, THE LOAD AND SCORING THESE PROJECTS AND PROVIDING DATA.

BUT THE TPO ISN'T, THEY'RE NOT, THEY, THEY DON'T JUST GET TO MAKE UP WHO GETS WHAT THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION HAS GIVEN THEM.

AND CONGRESS HAS GIVEN THEM CERTAIN.

NO, THEY WOULD PASS THROUGH THOSE.

YOU CONTROL RIGHT.

THERE YOU GO.

ASKING QUESTIONS.

LAST FUNDING SOURCE, UH, FOR THE FEDERAL FUNDS IS TRUST TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES.

UM, THIS IS FOR PEDESTRIAN BIKE FACILITIES.

WE DID GET, UM, $200,000 OR PHASE ONE OF THESE AND TRAIL.

UM, THIS IS THE 80 20% MATCH, UM, AND STATEWIDE.

SO NOW WE GO INTO WHAT WE CONSIDER STATE FUNDS.

UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS REVENUE SHARE.

UM, SO THE PROJECTS THAT WERE FUNDED THROUGH THAT IS THE ROUNDABOUT WAS, UM, FUNDED THROUGH A REVENUE SHARE THE FAIRGROUND ROAD EXTENSION, UM, IS, UM, FUNDED THROUGH THE RSPP USUALLY OVER TWO FUNDING CYCLES.

THEY GIVE YOU HALF THE MONEY.

UM, ONE YEAR, HALF OF MY, THE NEXT YEAR, AND THEN THE STATE OF THE LOCAL MATCH.

IT'S ABOUT 50%.

UM, JUST SOME INFORMATION ON A FAIRGROUND ROAD EXTENSION.

UH, WE ARE SHORT BASED ON THE DIFFERENCE FROM A DESIGN ESTIMATE TO THE PROJECT ESTIMATE.

UM, AGAIN, THIS IS EVERY YEARS, UM, AND IT FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE $10 MILLION REQUESTS.

SO THESE ARE YOUR SMALLER PART.

SO FOUR POINT FOR THE PROJECT.

SO, SO THIS WAS HALF OF WHAT BEFORE WE GET IT.

SO DID THE DESIGN OF THE DESIGN ESTIMATE WHAT WE ESTIMATED.

SO, SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, THIS IS WHAT REALLY JUST DRIVES ME INSANE.

AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO BRING UP IN THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, WHICH IS, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A REVENUE SHARE PROJECT, READ OUT, GETS THE ESTIMATES WRONG, BUT THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO SHARE IN A YEAR.

HOW IS THAT A REVENUE? SO THEY MADE A MISTAKE IN THE ESTIMATES.

THEN THEY SAY, OH, WE WERE SHARING UP AT THIS POINT, BUT WE MAY NOT.

SO THAT LOCALITY HAS TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE OF WHETHER THEY'RE WRONG.

SO AT SOME POINT, IF YOU THINK THE SHARING PART, THERE SHOULD BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THEIR LACK OF ABILITY TO, UH, ESTIMATE A PROJECT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE ALLOCATING TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR IT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR LEGISLATORS NEED TO BE AWARE OF THIS.

AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED.

IT'S HAPPENED WITH THE EXTENSION.

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WE'RE NOT SHARING ANYMORE.

RIGHT? YEAH.

WE PAID FOR THEIR MISTAKES.

THEY SHOULD BE PAINFUL.

SO YES.

OR AT WORST, NO, WE'RE PREACHING THE CHOIR AGAIN, ALL, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO BRING THEM TOGETHER.

UM, SO, UH, ELIGIBLE PROJECTS FOR REVENUE SHARE, AGAIN, THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE $10 MILLION OR LESS IF NONE OF THESE FUNDS HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED OR SO THESE TWO PROJECTS, UH, FAIRGROUND ROAD, EXTENSION, AND HOCKEY GROWING REALIGNMENT, WE HAVE FUNDING FOR, UM, THROUGH REVENUE SHARE.

SO THE OPTICAL, LET ME EXPLAIN THAT.

SO, UM, THERE WAS THERE'S NINE INTERSECTIONS OVERALL THAT NEED THE OPTICOM.

UM, THREE, UM, ARE FUNDED BY B DOT.

THOSE ARE ONES THAT THEY FELT SOME CULPABILITY THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED IT WHEN THEY FIRST, UM, INSTALLED THEM.

UM, SO THERE ARE SIX INTERSECTIONS THAT WOULD BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO, UM, ADD THE OPTICOM.

THOSE ARE $15,000 EACH OR A TOTAL OF 90,000.

WE DID THREE BE, DID THREE.

NO, I KNOW.

I PROBABLY DID THE OTHERS.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

IT'S KIND OF STANDARD.

IF YOU WERE GOING TO GO BACK, WE WE'VE, WE'VE COVERED IT IN TWO BY TWOS, BUT IF THE FUNDING HAS NEVER BEEN ALLOCATED, IF WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH V DOT FOR THEM TO DO THE OPTICOM SYSTEMS, WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IS GO AHEAD AND ACTUALLY DO A RESOLUTION TO, TO, TO GIVE THEM THE 90 GRAND.

WE HAVEN'T PAID FOR IT YET.

LET ME GO BACK THE AGREEMENT.

IT WAS, THERE'S NO FUNDS THAT WERE TIGHT.

THERE WAS NO ALLOCATION OF $90,000 FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SIX INTERSECTIONS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO HAVE BE DONE.

GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE HOW MUCH IT.

WASN'T ALL NINE.

WHY DIDN'T HE TELL US THAT? RIGHT.

SO REVENUE SHARING WAS PER PROJECT LESS THAN 10 MILLION.

WELL, I'M JUST THINKING IT'S HURT TO BE INVOKED.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OTHER THINGS THERE AND ALSO, UM, DO WE KNOW THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S TYPICALLY IN THE REVENUE SHARE THAT? HOW MUCH ARE WE, WHAT'S THE COMPETITION FOR THE, SO WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO MATCH SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE'S OTHER CRITERIA.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

AND THEN THE OTHER CRITERIA, UM, SO KIND OF PRIORITY ONE PROJECT.

TYPICALLY, LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE A TWO YEAR FUNDING CYCLE, SO ANYBODY WHO'S COMING BACK FOR THEIR SECOND, SECOND BATCH OF FUNDING, THEY WOULD GET PRIORITY, UM, PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE BE TRANS OR IN THE LOCAL CIP PROJECTS THAT EFFICIENT ADDRESS, DEFICIENT PAVEMENT, RESURFACING, AND BRIDGE REHABS, UM, AND THEN PROJECTS THAT DON'T FELL TO OTHER PRIORITIES, BUT ARE OTHERWISE ELIGIBLE.

SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT WIDER IN TERMS OF WHAT, WELL, IT'S NOT COMPETITIVE, NOT COMPETITIVE, BUT HOW DO WE, HOW ARE WE DOING ALL WE CAN TO GET IN THE V TRANS TO GET OUR PROJECTS IN THE BIG TRENDS? BECAUSE HONESTLY THAT WOULD BE A COMPETITIVE THING TO GET, TO GET YOUR PROJECT AND BE TRANS, RIGHT? YES.

AND, UH, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OR GETTING READY TO START THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE TRANS TO BE TRANS IS, IS A HIGHER BUBBLE.

IT'S LIKE EVERYBODY GET THERE FOR OUR PLAN LEVEL.

SO THEY DON'T MISS A PROJECT, BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE LOOKING AT OUR PROJECT LIST TO TRY TO COME UP.

SO WHEN IS IT, WHEN'S THE LAST TIME WE'VE DONE ANYTHING IN THAT REGARD? I KNOW YOU'RE GETTING UP.

IT'S STAFF AND TECH, WHICH IS OUR REPRESENTATIVE OF STAFF PARTICIPATES IN ALL OF THE BLOCK RANGE, TRANSPORTATION PLAN MEETINGS, ALL THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THEY MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROJECTS ARE IN THESE.

THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN WHAT PLANS IN ORDER TO GET FUNDING.

SO OUR PROJECTS ARE IN THE LONG RANGE PLAN, OUR PROJECTS R AND B TRENDS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IS, IS, IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN V TRANS ALIGNED WITH OUR LOCAL CIP.

WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT AS PART OF THE NEXT UPDATE AND BE TRANS IS VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL, VERY HIGH LEVEL.

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THE FAN, THE TRANS IS STATE LEVEL LIKE CTV LEVEL.

THEY USE THE TPO IT'S AS TRANSPORTATION ARE LOUDER THAN THE TPS STATEWIDE.

SO THEY DO USE THE TPO TO DISSEMINATE INFORMATION.

AND, UH, AND I THINK, UH, THE TPO REPS AND REPRESENTATIVE PLAN, THEY'LL ALL BE INVITED TO THE BE TRANS MEETINGS WHEN THEY START HAVING THEIR WORK.

THANKS LIKE THAT.

I'M JUST THINKING WE WANT TO GET, WE WANT TO GET OUR PROJECTS UP UP THE PRIORITY BUSH.

SO THAT'S NOT LOOKING RIGHT AWAY.

CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, PREVIOUS REVENUE SHARING.

THAT'S A GIVEN.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE ANSWER IS YES, WE CAN LOOK AT IT.

THE OTHER THING IS, IS IF CPN AND RCI EIGHT PLAN OR CFP LETS US TO CORRECT.

WE WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, IT'S AN, OR, AND, OR AN AWARD CAN'T HURT TO BE IN BEACH.

WELL, YEAH, WE WANT AS MANY OF OUR PRIORITIES AND BE TRANS AS WE CAN GET, JUST TO GET THE GIFT IN THE PLAY, THE GAME.

SO SOME POTENTIAL PROJECTS OR REVENUE SHARE EITHER ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER $10 MILLION YOU READ THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY.

IT'S ELIGIBLE.

SO NEXT STATE FUNDING.

UH, S S S Y P A SECOND YEAR, SIX YEAR PLAN.

I THINK YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

YOU SEE IT EVERY YEAR.

UM, SO CURRENT PROJECTS FUNDED IS THE FAIRGROUND, UM, SANDY HOOK ROUNDABOUT, AND THEN GROW RUSTIC IMPROVEMENTS.

REAL RUSTICS ARE FOR OUR EXISTING ROADS, UM, EXISTING PUBLIC ROADS THAT ARE ON PAY.

UM, THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION, UM, IS ABOUT 70 TO $82,000 A YEAR.

SO FUNDING CRITERIA, SAFETY IMPROVEMENT ON PAVED ROADS, RURAL ADDITION, SIDEWALKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO LITTLE RUSTIC IS NOT GOING AWAY WITH, WITH THE CHANGE IN THE BOUNDARY.

IS THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF RURAL FUNDING THAT'S GOING AWAY WITH IT.

THAT'S THEIR PLANNING.

THAT'S OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO POTENTIAL PROJECTS, REAL RUSTIC PROJECTS, SIDEWALKS, RIGHT.

PROJECTS WITH LIMITED JOANNE FOR US.

THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND BEFORE 2024 THAT IS COUNTING.

I DID WANT TO GO OVER, UM, CASH PROFFERS, CAUSE WE DO HAVE FUNDING, UM, FROM OUR TRANSPORTATION, UM, THAT WE HAVE NOT UTILIZED YET.

SO CASH PROFFERS ARE USED TO CONSTRUCT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TO MAINTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE, TO SERVE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

THEY CAN ONLY GET USED FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, NOT OPERATIONS OR MAINTENANCE.

UM, THEY CAN NOT BE USED TO CORRECT EFFICIENT EXISTING DEFICIENCIES.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE'VE COLLECTED SO FAR FOR ROAD PROPER.

SO WHEN I SAY OLD FOR THE ONES THAT WERE PRIOR TO, UM, UH, ADOPTING THE CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL IN 2018, SO MOST LOCALITIES IN 2018, 2016, 2017 WITH THE CHANGE OF LEGISLATION, MOST PEOPLE DID AWAY WITH PROPERS.

UM, WE WERE INNOVATIVE AND WE FOUND A WAY TO KEEP MAKING, UH, DO THE CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO GET PROFFERS.

AND SINCE 2018 YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE CONDUCTED A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SUM THERE, UM, BASED ON ROAD PROFFERS.

SO, UM, THAT'S A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN ZERO, WHICH IS WHAT WE STARTED COLLECTING.

SO YES, SO THE 610, SINCE THAT WAS PRIOR TO, UM, UH, THEY WERE COUNTY-WIDE, WE HAVE 610,000, UH, IN THE EAST END, WHICH HAS TO BE PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE EAST END.

WE HAVE 834 EAST, WEST AND CENTRAL.

IT FOLLOWS THE SCHOOL BOUNDARIES TO, UM, UH, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

ANYBODY WHO SERVED BY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO CARDWELL ALMOST YES.

SO YOU HAVE 12 YEARS FROM YOUR, WHEN THE LAST CEO IS ISSUED IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, WE ACTUALLY DID SOME ANALYSIS JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO FOR THE LIBRARIES TO SEE IF THEY WERE GOING TO LOSE ANY MONEY.

UM, WE HAVE A SMALL PERCENTAGE

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UM, BUT WE'RE GOOD TILL 2024, WE WON'T BE LOSING ANY MONEY UNTIL THEN.

AND WE WILL, I THINK WE'LL HAVE LOTS OF IDEAS TO SPEND THAT MONEY BEFORE WE GET TO 20 MORE IDEAS.

UM, I'M SORRY, EVEN THOUGH THOSE ARE OLD AT THE TOP, IF THERE, IF THAT'S OLD IN TERMS OF WHEN THAT WAS REZONED.

SO IF THERE ARE LOTS STILL NOT BUILT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, REZONING MONEY IS STILL COMING IN TO THAT.

CHESTERFIELD'S PROP PROPER WAS TERRIBLE.

AND SO THERE WAS NO BETTER, I THINK, YOU KNOW, DETAILED ANALYSIS ABOUT LIKE, WHERE DO WE STILL HAVE OLD CASES? NOT YET WHEN WE BUILT THAT, THEN WE'VE DONE THE ANALYSIS AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED, WE'RE NOT, WE HAVE MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE SUBDIVISIONS THAT COLLECT PROFFERS THAT ARE BUILT OUT AND ALL 12 YEARS FROM NOW, IT WOULD BE 20, 24.

SO WE'RE GOOD.

UH, SO POTENTIAL WE NEED, WE CAN START USING THIS MONEY.

UM, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST SITTING THERE, SO MAYBE, UM, THE OVERRUNS, ALL THE ROUNDABOUT OR THE EXTENSION, YOU CAN ALSO USE IT FOR LIGHTING EAST END TRAILS, OTHER SMALL TYPES OF PROJECTS.

UM, SO DON'T FORGET THAT WE HAVE THIS AS A REVENUE SOURCE.

HAVE WE EVER, EVER LOOKED AT THE, THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTIES THAT WE GET COMPARED TO HOW MUCH INCREASES IN VALUE IF THE COST OF THE HOME? SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

UM, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY DATA THAT SHOWS THERE IS ANY IMPACT.

SO THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT WHEN THEY CHANGED THE PROPER REGULATIONS IN 26, 16, IS THAT IT IS INCREASING THE PROP, THE COST OF HOMES.

I MEAN, HANOVER AND CHESTERFIELD POST GET RID OF THEIR PROPERTY.

THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN HOUSE PRICES.

AT 28,000 HOURS CALLED 20, 20,000.

YOU DID NOT SEE A $20,000 DROP IN HOME PRICES BECAUSE PROPERS WENT AWAY AND THEY WENT BACK AND RETROACTIVELY TOOK IT THROUGH ALL THEIR OLD, EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE A HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO A HOUSE THAT DIDN'T HAVE CASH PROFFERS BECAUSE THEY LET HIM COME THROUGH LOT BY LOT.

AND THOSE ASSETS SOLD AT THE SAME PRICE.

SO THAT'S, THAT IS A STATEMENT FROM THE HOME BUILDERS THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN APPROVED.

THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT QUESTION, IS THAT ENOUGH TO COVER THE INTEGRATION COSTS OF COUNTY SERVICES? WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION, RIGHT? YOU WERE TALKING BEFORE ABOUT HOME PRICES AND LOOKING THROUGH THE THINGS CAUSE THIS COULD BE VIEWED AS TAX.

THIS IS JUST AN INTERESTING WAY TO TALK TO PEOPLE.

IT'S A WAY TO, FOR DEVELOPMENT TO ADDRESS ITS CAPITAL IMPACTS.

IF IT'S, IF IT'S KEEPING THE INSIGHTS OF THAT GROUP OF THAT COUNTY, PROBABLY TELL YOU THE CAPITAL, THE CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL IS A VERY THOUGHTFUL, WELL THOUGHT OUT MODEL.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE ECONOMIST THAT WORKED ON THAT CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE DETAIL HAS VERY WELL JUSTIFIED ME A MOUTH THAT WE USUALLY ARE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE OFFER TO, TO COVER THAT.

AND I THINK THEY'RE VERY CONSERVATIVE IN TERMS OF HOW THAT'S APPLIED.

I THINK WE, WE COULD HAVE, WE COULD HAVE BEEN MORE AGGRESSIVE, UH, IN THAT, BUT WE CHOSE TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE IN THAT, UM, THE IMPACT.

AND SO MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT MENTIONED HERE, YOU'RE IN THE CLEAR OF BEING ABLE TO JUSTIFY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR FOR THAT, THAT, THAT DEVELOPMENT IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL SERVICES AND DRIVES, RIGHT? I'VE NEVER, EVERY OLD BUILDING ASSOCIATION HAS MADE THAT ARGUMENT.

I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE VEHICLE.

EXCELLENT JUSTIFY THAT THERE'S A BETTER.

SO WE'RE WHERE THIS INTERESTING CONVERSATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROFFERS IS WHEN YOU'RE SEEING, WHEN WE DROVE AROUND EVER SEEN THESE SIX HOMES BEING BUILT INDIVIDUALLY, THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT IN TO SORT OF AVOID THE PROFFERS.

IS THAT EXACT, IS THAT ADDING TO THE SITUATION WE'VE SEEN IN THE WEST PART OF THE COUNTY, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ALL THIS, THIS LARGE LAND INTO SUBDIVISIONS, SO TO AVOID THAT PROBLEM, AND IT DEPENDS ON THE BUILDER.

SO THE CASH PROPER IS COLLECTED AT TIME OF CEO.

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HAVE SOME SEEN SOME BUILDERS THAT DIRECTLY PASS THAT COST RIGHT ON TO THE HOMEOWNERS, BUT MOST OF THE TIME IT'S ABSORBED BY THE, BY THE DEVELOPER.

SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PROCESS IN ANY OF THESE WELL, AND THAT'S THE POINT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE PROPERS, IT'S A QUESTION, NOT A STATEMENT, PART OF THE PROFFERS INHIBITING MORE SUBDIVISIONS, SO DIFFERENT WAYS, SOME DIVIDED THE LAND.

ARE THEY DOING THE WAY THEY ARE TO AVOID THE PROPERTIES AS OPPOSED TO HAVING MORE PLANTS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES? DO ANY ASSEMBLY OF, OF, OF LAND? YES.

WELL, LIKE I CAN'T REALLY TELL, I MEAN, JUST AN INTERESTING BUSINESS MODEL.

THAT'S ALL OF THEM HAVE ADOPTED AND KEEP IN MIND THAT PROFFERS CAN ONLY COME WITH A REZONING.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE.

SO YOU WON'T SEE ISN'T THAT BETTER.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF .

SO NOW WE'RE GETTING IN CBTA BECAUSE WE KNEW WE'D GET STUCK HERE.

SO, UH, WE STRATEGICALLY, UM, SO THESE ARE, UM, REGIONAL FUNDS, UH, BRAND NEW, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE CBTA, BUT JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY IT'S A, UM, BASED ON, UM, A GAS TAX, UM, AND IT'S A 50% GOES DIRECTLY TO THE LOCALITIES.

UM, 35% GOES TO A REGIONAL POT AND 15% GOES TO TRANSIT.

UH GRTC IT'S A GAS AND GAS.

YES, YES.

UM, SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE TWO REVENUE STREAMS. SO WE ARE 50% AND THEN MENTION WHATEVER WE GET FROM THE 35% REGIONAL.

SO FOR THE 50% LOCAL, JUST A DISBURSEMENT, UH, IT'S PRETTY OPEN IT'S ANY COUNTY TRANSPORTATION RELATED EXPENSE.

UH, WE WILL NEED TO CERTIFY THAT QUARTERLY, UM, TO THE CBTA AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ESTIMATING BASED ON THE MONTH, GOES UP AND DOWN EACH LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE, BUT WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 2.1 MILLION ANNUALLY THAT WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT THROUGH THIS 50%.

SO THAT'S OUR MONEY TO DISTRIBUTE HOW WE SEE FIT, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE WOULD REALLY NEED YOUR PRIORITIZATION FOR PALLET.

WE WANT IT TO, UM, A CURRENT BALANCE SINCE FIVE 20, 21 IS A 1.2 MILLION.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

AND WE DO GET A DISBURSEMENT THAT CAN BE USED AS OUR INVESTMENT AND NORMAL STATE GRANTS.

THIS IS WHAT THIS IS.

WE COULD USE THIS AS LEVERAGING.

WE COULD USE THIS AS TAKING CARE OF SOME OF OUR SMALLER PROJECTS.

UM, THERE'S COST BENEFIT.

LIKE, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO JUST GIVE EVERYTHING UP TO LEVERAGING KNOWING THAT MAYBE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE DOING IT TO LEVERAGING AND THEN YOU'RE AGAIN, YOU'RE PUTTING YOURSELF YEAH.

SHIFTED THE BAR TO BE EVEN WHERE YOU WERE.

SO, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT IS MORE TO, TO WEIGH IN BY THE END OF THIS TODAY.

SO I'M GOING TO START MOVING A LITTLE BIT FASTER.

UM, SO WE DID COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS FOR POTENTIAL PROJECTS FOR OUR 50%, FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, TO ADDRESS THE PORT COST OVERRUNS FOR THE FAIRGROUND ROAD EXTENSION AND THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, PROJECTS THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE AN APPROVED PLAN.

THOSE WOULD BE THE PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS THAT I'M GOING TO COVER ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TO PREPARE GRANT APPLICATIONS.

SO THAT'S WHERE MR. UH, LUMPKINS WAS GOING EARLIER.

UM, WE DO THINK ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SHOULD BE SET ASIDE FOR THAT SO THAT WE CAN COMPETITIVELY APPLY FOR THESE GRANTS AND THEN AUDIT ON IDENTIFY LOCAL NEEDS.

AND THEN ALSO STAFFING CAN BE PART OF, UM, PAYING FOR WHAT WE COULD PAY THROUGH WITH OUR THOUGHTS.

UM, YEAH.

FIX EXISTING ROADS.

YOU CAN DO THIS IS WIDE OPEN.

THINK IT'S ABOUT $50,000 TO DO JUST THE STUDY TO SEE IF THOSE, UM, CAN BE DONE.

SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST, UM, SO SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS I'VE REVIEWED, BUT I JUST SAID PUBLIC SAFETY.

YOU WANT TO GO INTO THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE THOSE HAVE SORT OF COME UP IN THE LAST YEAR.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE BRIDGE WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, UM, THE HASKINS ROAD BRIDGE, OLD COLUMBIA ROAD BRIDGE, WHITE HALL ROAD BRIDGE.

UM,

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UM, THE OPTICON SYSTEM, THE 90,000 THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, AND THEN ALSO IMMEDIATE RANK AT ROUTE SIX EMPIRE AS A COMPANY ONE, SOMEWHERE AROUND 50 TO $100,000 FOR THAT PROJECT.

SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT THE BOARD COULD START THINKING ABOUT IS PUBLIC SAFETY, YOUR TOP PRIORITY.

DO YOU WANT TO KNOCK OUT ALL OF THESE PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS? DO YOU WANT TO USE THIS MONEY FOR LEVERAGING? DO YOU WANT TO USE IT FOR COST OVER RUN? SO THAT'S WHERE WE NEED YOU TO START THINKING ABOUT THAT.

UM, AND IF I START GOING TOO FAST, LET ME KNOW.

SO THIS IS THE REGIONAL FUNDS.

THIS IS 35%.

UM, SO THE LEGISLATION SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT IT MUST PRIORITIZE AND SELECT REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS TO BE FUNDED WITH 35% OF THE REVENUES RETAINED BY CBTA PROJECTS MUST BENEFIT THE PLANNING DISTRICT, 15 MEMBER JURISDICTIONS.

SO THESE ARE NOT GOING TO BE LOCAL TYPE ROADS.

THESE ARE GOING TO BE REGIONAL PROJECTS.

UM, SO WITH THE 35%, AGAIN, THIS IS ALL STILL SORT OF FLUSHING OUT, UM, CAUSE THIS IS A NEW PROGRAM.

SO FOR THE FIRST YEAR, THIS IS STILL BEING DEVELOPED.

BUT OUR SORT OF UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE IS A CONSENSUS WITH YOUR ONE THAT THE FOUR LARGE LOCALITIES THAT BENEFIT THE FALL LINE TRAIL ARE GOING TO USE THEIR REGIONAL FUNDS FOR THAT PROJECT.

AND THEN THE REMAINING 35 WOULD BE LYFT PERHAPS AMONG THE FOUR LOCALS OR COME UP WITH A REGIONAL PROJECT AMONG THE FOUR LOCALS.

AGAIN, NOT, NOT COMPLETELY FLUSHED OUT.

I KNEW ALL OF YOU HOW MUCH THIS IS, WHERE THE BOARD HAS BECOME MUCH MORE ABOUT IN TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PRIOR TO THIS, THIS WAS ALL STAFF.

UM, NOW A BOARD MEMBER, YOU KNOW, IS ON CBTA MR. SPOON, HOWARD IS THE CHAIR OF IT.

UM, YOU COULD LITERALLY GO TO A TRANSPORTATION MEETING EVERY DAY.

UM, BUT YES.

UM, AND THEN, SO IN FUTURE YEARS THAT REGIONAL FUNDING WILL BE COMPETITIVELY SCORED, SMART SCALE, LIKE, UM, SO I KNOW MR. SPOON, HOW'RE THIS PLACE TO YOU.

UM, SO THEY CAME UP WITH SOME CRITERIA OF WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY, WHAT PROJECTS COULD POTENTIALLY FIVE FOR THE REGIONAL FUNDS.

UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS IT HAS TO BE REGIONAL SIGNIFICANT.

UM, SO THAT'S QUARTERS OF STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE.

AGAIN, ANGUISH ONE THAT IS, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT THIS IS, I WANT THE BOARD TO HEAR THIS.

THIS IS, THESE ARE NOT APPROVED YET.

SO THESE ARE, WHEN I SAY THEY'RE NOT APPROVED IF THE FUNDING CRITERIA ARE APPROVED.

SO THIS IS WHERE I, AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE, LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE ON HOW TO VOTE FOR THESE IT'S THE MOA THAT IS GOING TO BE HANGING IN FRONT OF US JUNE.

SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT YEAH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE VOTING ON.

DO WE AGREE WITH THESE CRITERIA AS CRUCIAL TO RANK THEM? IS THAT THE IDEA THAT THAT COULD APPLY? SO, UM, I, 64 BROAD STREET IT'S, UH, COULD BE AN ARTERIAL PRESERVATION NETWORK IN GOOCHLAND.

THAT WOULD BE PATTERSON AVENUE FROM TWO 88 TO THE COUNTY LINE AND BROAD STREET FROM TWO 88 TO THE COUNTY LINE.

THE OTHER ONE, UM, IS THE OTHER CRITERIA IS SORRY.

UH, AT THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE PRINCIPAL ARTERIALS WITH VEHICLES PER DAY OF GREATER THAN 20,000.

THE ONLY ONE, UM, ENGAGED SLIM THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, MEETS THAT CATEGORY IS TWO 88.

UM, MR. SPOONER, I KNEW YOU HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE VEHICLES PER DAY.

UM, WE DID, AND I PLAN ON SENDING YOU THIS SEPARATELY.

I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO CONFUSING TO GO INTO THE SLIDE.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE LOOKED AT LIKE, IF THEY LOWER IT TO 15,000, HOW MANY, HOW MANY OF OUR ROADS WOULD FALL, WOULD FALL UNDER ALSO HOW MANY AND ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES, AND IF WE DROP IT TO 10, IT WOULD MAKE IT EVEN MORE COMPETITIVE FOR US TO GET MONEY.

SO IT GREATLY EXPANDS THE NUMBER OF ROADS AND OTHER TOWNS AND YOU'D SEE RICHMOND.

SO W WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THESE ARE THE, TO SUBMIT THE REGIONAL PROJECT.

WE HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THESE HURDLES, ALL OF THEM.

THEY ARE THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING A LOWER VEHICLE THRESHOLD FOR THE RURAL LOCALITIES.

AND THE ONLY THINGS THAT CAN APPLIED FOR ARE 64 TO 88 AND BROAD AND PATTERSON BETWEEN TWO 88, THE COUNTING ON THOSE, THOSE ARE THE ONLY PROJECTS YOU DON'T EVER GET SCORE WITH THE CBTA 35%.

I WOULD SAY THE LATEST THING THAT'S UNDER DISCUSSION.

I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.

I DO THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ADDED TO THIS IS

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SO JUST FOR THE RURAL, PART OF IT AS THE OPTICS, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE ROADS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE, YOU LOOK IN THE RURAL AREAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE BROAD STREET, 64 ON THERE, BUT GOOCHLAND DOES NOT HAVE A LOT.

SO THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO ALLOW FOR MORE ROADS TO AT LEAST BE ELIGIBLE TO YEAH.

CHANGE WERE TO COME ABOUT.

WOULD IT COME FROM TAC? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT TAC WOULD DO? WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT NOW WE JUST, WE JUST MADE A STRANGE CHANGE LADIES, BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF LIKE FROM, FROM TECH, BUT IT WOULD BE ADOPTED BY CBTA.

YEAH, BUT THERE'S MORE CRITERIA.

IT'S NOT, I'M SORRY.

I JUST SKIPPED AHEAD SUICIDE AND MAKE SURE IT WAS IN THE PHOTO, BUT THERE'S ALSO CRITERIA CATEGORY.

IT SAYS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR A REGIONAL PROJECT.

WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FUNDING.

THERE'S ALREADY A SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR THAT.

SO HOW HAS, HAS THE MLA GONE OUT TO THE WHOLE WORLD? IT'S GOING TO BE COVERED IN THE TWO BY TWOS IN JUNE AND ATON THE BOARD AGENDA FOR JULY MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT.

SO CAN WE DISTRIBUTE THAT NOW? SO WE CAN HAVE THE READING BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO ASK US TO VOTE.

THEY WANT US TO VOTE ON IT.

AND JIM AND I, WE SAID, NO, RIGHT.

WELL, WE GOT IT LIKE MAY 31ST AT OUR MEETING WITH JANE.

SO, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S MORE CRITERIA THAT WILL NEVER QUALIFY, WHICH SO WE HAD TO PICK, WE NEED TO PICK THE THING WE WANT TO PUSH FOR IT HERE.

THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTION I ASKED THAT I DON'T HAVE, THAT I WAS TOLD THAT WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED PROJECTS FOR THE REGIONAL FUNDS.

SO WE'VE NOTHING OFFICIAL HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.

THEY, WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH CRITERIA, THEY ASKED STAFF TO COME UP WITH, FOR AN EXAMPLE, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR REGIONAL PROJECTS? AND, UM, WE DO THESE FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY.

SO NOTHING FORMAL HAS BEEN FILED, THERE'S NO APPLICATION OR ANYTHING YET.

UM, SO WE, THESE WOULD ALL MEET THOSE CATEGORIES, UM, FOR THE CRITERIA.

SO THE SECOND ONE THERE THAT'S BECAUSE WE NEVER, I THOUGHT IT STARS OR WHATEVER.

CORRECT.

I CANNOT START.

THAT WAS A STUDY, BUT THERE WAS NO MONEY FOR THE, OH, IT'S JUST STARTED.

SO, SO HAS THAT BEEN DONE? THE STARS HAS DONE, SO YEAH, STUDY'S COMPLETE, BUT WE HAVE FILED, UH, TWO ROUNDS, TWO ROUNDS OF SMART SCORE APPLICATIONS AND IT HAD HAPPENED.

AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER PROJECTS, AS FAR AS OUR PULLED UP PROJECTS, THE PAST SCORES WOULD BE INDICATIVE OF IT BEING ONE OF THE BETTER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TO PUT FORWARD TO ACTUALLY GET FUN.

SO WE HAVE APPLIED FOR THAT FOR TWO, TWO CYCLES.

AND THAT MEANT A LOT OF THE CATEGORIES THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD SCORE VERY WELL, LIKE A ROAD DIET AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'RE NOT ADDING NEW LANES, WE'RE MAKING AN EXISTING ROAD MORE EFFICIENT.

UM, SO CERTAINLY REGIONAL AND IT'S REGIONAL.

SO WE WERE SURPRISED THAT WE DID NOT GET FUNDING AGAIN.

IT'S THAT SECRET BOX.

IS THAT THE ONE THAT WAS 85 MILLION EACH WAY? UH, NO.

WE HAVE THE NUMBERS.

I THINK IT WAS HURTING THE HARD SHOULDER RUNNING THAT ACTUALLY IS, I REMEMBER WAS OUR HIGHEST ALL JUNIOR LANE WAS OUR HIGHEST RANKED PROJECT THAT DIDN'T GET FUNDED.

IT WASN'T TOO FAR AWAY.

I MEAN, IT WAS 13 GOT FUNDED.

IT WAS LIKE NUMBER 20 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO SHOOTING, WE JUST NATURALLY MADE GO TO THAT SCORED WELL BEFORE IT'S THE BEST SCORING THING BEFORE WELL, I MEAN, WE WANT TO GET SOME PROJECTS DONE.

THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF LIKE, WITH THIS COMPLEXITY, LET'S JUST LOOK AT GETTING SOME PROJECTS DONE.

EVEN IF WE CAN SQUEEZE SOMETHING, MAYBE WE DON'T WANT ALL OF IT.

WE CAN SQUEEZE A ROAD.

WHY EVEN NEED THE BIKE TRAIN OR SOMETHING.

BUT I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, LOOK TO THE BOARD.

BUT I THINK, AND I GUESS THE BOARD VIEW, IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THE LIST OF PROJECTS THERE AND ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN SCORED IN THE PAST, THE ROUTE TWO 80 AT HARTSFIELD AND RUNNING SCORED THE BEST, WHAT IS IT THAT I'M LOOKING TO STAFF SAY AT HOLOGIC? AM I MISSING SOMETHING ON THE LOGIC? YEAH.

I CAN ONLY SPEAK, I WILL ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.

MY OPINION IS THAT IF YOU DON'T APPLY FOR THE PROJECTS THAT YOU CAN POSSIBLY GET, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GET NOTHING.

SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL, EVEN IF YOU'RE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE COUNTY PRIORITY, EVEN IF THE TWO 88 HARD SHORT OR RUNNING LANE, ISN'T THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO THE PEOPLE SITTING IN THIS ROOM, IF THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE CAN GET AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO PURSUE.

AND SO IS MY LOGIC, RIGHT? THAT, THAT SCORED THE BEST BEFORE, AT LEAST OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT SCORED THE BEST BEFORE, IS IT LIKELY TO, IT'S LIKELY TO DO IT MAKES SENSE TO THINGS THAT ARE SCORED WELL BEFORE.

YES, IT'S TRUE.

AND THEN THE SAME 10 APPLICATIONS ARE SUBMITTED.

THE NEXT COUNT STATE PROJECTS.

IT COULD SCORE, IT'S GOING TO BE COMPARED TO OTHER PROJECTS.

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WHERE HAVE WE, UH, WHAT FUNDS HAVE WE APPLIED FOR THAT? BECAUSE THIS IS BRAND NEW FOR CBTA .

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT SCORING AND IT WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN SMART SCALE.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO SCORE AS HIGH.

THE WHOLE THING THEY'RE MOVING TOWARDS SMART SCALE LIGHT, WHICH IS A, UH, ECONOMIC JUSTICE AND ALL THAT STUFF IS GOING TO BE IN THERE.

THAT'S GOING TO HURT US.

THAT'S THE QUESTION.

IS THERE A COMPONENT OF THIS? LIKE, ALL WE DO IS WITH GRANTS WHERE IF WE APPLY FOR ONE FUNDING SOURCE THAT TIES UP THAT PROJECT FOR OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, OR CAN YOU APPLY FOR ONE FUNDING AS MANY FUNDING SOURCES? YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO CRAZY.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN APPLY FOR GRANTS.

I'VE SEEN PROJECTS THAT HAVE SIX OR SEVEN DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES ON.

SO, SO WHEN DOES IT PRECLUDE YOU.

SO IF YOU BUY IT FOR TWO 88 FOR A SMART SCALE, WE CAN ALSO APPLY IT TO CBT.

THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, THE PROBLEM THAT YOU WOULD RUN INTO THERE IS THAT WHAT THE CBT AND REGIONAL FUNDS, THE PROJECTS ARE STILL SOMEWHAT CONSIDERED LOCAL, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE FEDERAL MONEY AT ANY POINT, THE PROJECT HAS TO BE FEDERALLY ELIGIBLE.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO MIX FUNDING AND SMARTS GO HAS TO BE FEDERALLY ELIGIBLE.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MIXED FUNDING SOURCES, THE PROJECT HAS TO BE DESIGNED IN A MANNER IN WHICH IS CONSISTENT.

THAT MAKES FH CWA HAPPY.

WHERE I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS MAYBE SOME FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THE EXTENSION AND SOUND WALLS.

ALL OF A SUDDEN BECAME A THING.

SO THAT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS FEDERAL MONEY.

SO THE ANSWER IS YES, YOU CAN COMBINE THOSE FUNDING SOURCES, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE COGNITIVE.

I'M SORRY.

I DON'T THINK I WAS SAYING, I DON'T MEAN COMBINING.

I MEAN, APPLYING THE SAME FUNDING FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES.

YES YOU CAN.

I THINK, I THINK WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO BE MINDFUL BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FILING FOR FUTURE FUNDING APPLICATION, WE'RE GOING TO BE OBLIGATING A FEATURE ALLOCATION.

I DON'T THINK OUR STAFF IS GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE LEVERAGED FUNDS WE HAVE IN THE BANK RIGHT NOW.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO GO MOVE ON THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE, MY EMPHASIS IS CRITICAL.

WHAT DO YOU SAY? BE MINDFUL THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE WORST THING HAPPENS IN ALL OF OUR APPLICATIONS GET FUNDED ANALYSIS AND WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT WE'RE ALLOCATED.

I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

IT'S SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE WAY I'M SEEING WHAT WE LEARNED THE OTHER DAY OF THE TPO, I'M IMAGINING THERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO OVER-ALLOCATE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO OVERCOME, BUT THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, CAN WE PULL AN APPLICATION OUT IF WE GET SOMETHING? SO, SO I CAN IMAGINE US, I THINK THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

I THOUGHT THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

WE WANT TO LOAD UP.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO BE COMMITTING THE TIME, RIGHT? AND THEN WHEN ONE OF THE LEGS OF THE THREE-LEGGED STOOL GETS PULLED OUT ON A PROJECT, IT MAY COLLAPSE LIKE THAT WHOLE CROSS LEVERAGE IS FINE, BUT THAT'S FINE.

BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE OTHER PROJECTS IN THE WORKS.

AND WHEN SOMETHING COLLAPSES FUNDING SOURCES, WHEN SOMETHING COLLAPSES, I THINK WE NEED TO THEN POP.

THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO BE NIMBLE ABOUT THIS.

WHEN SOMETHING COLLAPSES, WE NEED TO SAY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO, HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADJUST TO IMPROVE THIS ONE THING OVER HERE SINCE WE LOST THIS? AND HE'S IN THOMPSON, A VERY, VERY KEY THING THAT I'D LIKE TO REITERATE.

AND OF COURSE, IT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S YOUR, IT'S YOUR, YOUR DECISION.

BUT ALLOCATING THAT SAME WEEK DECIDE YOU DECIDE TO USE CBTA FUNDS 50% FUNDS AS LEVERAGING WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU WOULD USE FUTURE FUNDS, NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SITTING ON, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE JUST TYING UP MONEY THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET A PROJECT FOR.

I'M NOT SURE WE CAN.

WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN COMMIT FUTURE.

I MEAN, FOR THE 35% READING, WELL, FOR ANY, IF LET'S SAY WE'RE APPLYING FOR THE 35% OR APPLYING FOR SMART SCALE, WE CAN USE CBTA FUNDS, THE 50% FUTURE ALLOCATIONS AS PART OF OUR COMPANY, WE CAN SAY, THAT'S OUR COMMITMENT.

WE'LL BE IN A POSITION AND OBVIOUSLY A FUTURE MONEY DOESN'T COME IN.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT TPO IS TELLING US.

WE HAVE TO DO.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT LIKE, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS OUT.

WELL, YOU COULD, WE COULD, WE COULD USE CBTA TO LEVERAGE SMART FIELD.

WE COULD USE IT TO LEVERAGE REGIONAL FRIENDS ON THE RSVP.

YOU COULD DO ANY OF THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO OVERLEVERAGE WE NEED TO OVER LEVERAGE AND WE NEED TO LEVERAGE FUTURE CBTA MONEY BECAUSE, SO WE'LL START WITH, IF THE PROJECTS OVER TIME, LINE UP,

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LIKE WE PROJECTED OR WHATEVER WE ADOPT.

AND, AND, AND, AND IF WE DON'T GET THE PROJECTS, WE HAVEN'T MISSED OUT ON AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW THAT MAYBE, AND YOUR POINT IS DON'T, DON'T CURRENT MIND.

I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

AND WE DON'T WANT TO TIE UP THE 1.2 MILLION.

WE KNOW, WE KNOW WE HAVE FUTURE FUNDS COMING IN.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO APPLICATIONS FOR 35% REGIONAL OR SMART SCALE OR RSDP OR WHATEVER ON FUTURE FUTURE FUNDS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WELL, I FEEL LIKE THE BOARD THAT'S SETS POLICY AND PRIORITIES.

NOW IT'S STARTING TO TRANSITION A LITTLE BIT INTO BECOMING TREND TRANSPORTATION EXPERTS AND AUGMENT THE STAFF HERE.

I'D LIKE TO LOOK TO THE STAFF HERE, OUR SHERPAS IN OUR GUYS AND SAY, LOOK, YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS YOU'RE DOWN IN THE WEEDS.

YOU KNOW, ALL THE DETAILS.

WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW ALL THE DETAILS.

HERE'S A LIST OF 10 POTENTIAL PROJECTS.

WE'VE GOT 5 MILLION TO FIVE, GOT SOMETHING DONE AND HAVE US BE POLICY GUIDANCE, PRIORITIZE.

AND NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING AND A YELLOW BELT, THIS STUFF, BUT WE DON'T NEED A BLACK BELT FOR THIS STUFF.

SO I FEEL LIKE FOR TRANSITIONING A LITTLE BIT.

SO I I'D LIKE TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE YOU HAVE TO GO.

AND I WAS TRYING TO LET IT GET TO ME.

CAN I DO THIS INTENTIONALLY TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION? AND HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I THINK WE'VE SENT THIS DOOR.

I THINK I WAS SITTING IN TWO BY TWO MEETINGS BEFORE, AND YOU'RE ASKING US, DO WE WANT TO PUT LIGHTS DOWN IN A, DOWN THE EXTENSION? I'M LIKE, THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.

IF OUR PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE US, YOU KNOW, YOU TO GO INTO THE BOARD FOR LIKE, DO WE WANT LIGHTS ON THE STREET? AND DO WE WANT THIS AND THAT? SO I, I THINK TO MY VIEW IS I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR THREE OR SO YEARS.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A MENTAL SHIFT ON OUR PART TO, TO DO JUST WHAT YOU SAID, DIRECT STAFF AND TURN YOU GUYS LOOSE BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE MONITORING THESE PROJECTS MONTH TO MONTH.

AND IT'S THE FUNDING COMES IN AND IS, CAUSE WE TALKED THE VERY BEGINNING.

THESE THINGS CHANGE ALL THE TIME.

SO YOU GUYS NEED TO, SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR HOW CAN YOU ALL JUST, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A SHIFT FROM, I THINK THE MENTALITY OR THE APPROACH TO THIS BOARD OF BEING HANDS-ON.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, BUT PULL AWAY FROM IT.

BUT THEN THAT MEANS YOU ALL NEED TO, I APPRECIATE WHEN YOU ALL DO TELL US, HERE'S WHAT I THINK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.

IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU, OR IF WE, IF WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PRIORITY, I THINK WE'LL TELL YOU, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THAT COMPLETED THE FUNDING SOURCES.

SO, UH, NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET.

WHAT, THAT'S A GREAT TRANSITION BECAUSE WE HAVE STAFF THAT WILL, CAN APPLY FOR THE FUNDS.

WHAT WE NEED FROM THE BOARD IS SOME DIRECTION.

SO, UM, ONE SPECIFICALLY, WE NOW HAVE THIS FUNDING SOURCE THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE ABOUT, UH, $2.1 MILLION A YEAR.

HOW, HOW DO YOU WANT THAT MONEY SPENT? IT COULD BE LEVERAGING.

IT COULD BE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS.

UM, AND THEN WHICH PROJECTS PER FUNDING SOURCES BEFORE THE PRIORITIES.

SO WE DID THIS XL SPREADSHEET, UH, BROKE IT UP INTO, IT WAS TWO.

IT DIDN'T SHOW WELL ON THE SCREEN, PUBLIC SAFETY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CAPACITY, OPERATIONS, RECONSTRUCTION, WIDEN, TRANSPORTATION, ALTERNATIVES, AND PLANNING.

WE HAVE THE ESTIMATED COSTS.

THEN WE HAVE EACH, UM, POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCE THAT IT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR.

AND THEN WE DID TRY TO HELP THEM, THE KIND OF STORIES, IF THE BOARD HAS OTHER CATEGORIES TO HELP RANK PROJECTS, WE'RE OPEN TO HEARING THOSE.

UM, BUT REALLY I THINK THE PRIORITY IS NOW WHEN YOU WANT US TO DO WITH, HOW DO YOU WANT THE 50% TO BE STARTING TO BE FUNDED? WHAT TYPES OF, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 50% REVENUE SHARE? NO, THAT'S THE CBTA TOP FIVE.

SO WHAT IS THIS, WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ON THE BRIDGE REHABS, UM, BRIDGE REHABS.

SO YOU SAID THE POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES ARE CBTS.

SO WATSI AND 50% FUNDS THE CD TAKE 50%, RIGHT? CBTA 50%.

THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? NOT REGIONAL.

THE LOCAL CVT FUNDS IS THAT THE ONLY POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCE.

CAUSE THESE ARE BRIDGES THAT ARE AT RISK.

HOW DID WE GET, HOW DO WE GET THE BRIDGE ON MEGAN'S ROAD DONE BEFORE MAINTENANCE? SO THEN WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF SSOP THAT WE ACTUALLY WANTED TO REALLOCATE.

HE TELLS HER COULDN'T REALLOCATE.

IT HAD YOU FOUND BRIDGES.

SO THAT WAS USED TO LEVER, SOME STATE FUNDS TO SHIT, EXCUSE ME.

SO WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING WE'RE, WE'RE WAITING FOR, UH, THE, UH, STRUCTURE AND BRIDGE ENGINEER TO GIVE US ESTIMATES FOR THE PROJECTS, UH,

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FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECTS.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN USE IT.

WE CAN USE CB THE 50% CBTA FUNDS FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU CHOOSE THAT REVENUE SHARE AS AN APP IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO WITH THE BRIDGE PROJECTS.

UH, UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT MAYBE POSSIBLY RSVP.

UM, AND THEN ONE OF THEM, IF IT MEETS A CERTAIN CRITERIA, WHEN JEFF LOOKS AT SORRY, UH, BRIDGE AND THE ENGINEER, UM, IT COULD BE IT FOR SDR OR MONEY STAYING IN GOOD REPAIR.

SO IT DOESN'T, THE BRIDGE PROJECTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE CBTA THERE.

UM, BUT THERE OBVIOUSLY WILL BE A LOCAL MAP.

WELL, THIS IS A GOOD POINT TO JUMP BACK TO WHAT SUSAN SAID A WHILE AGO.

AND I KIND OF PAUSED BECAUSE I KNOW HER DISTRICT, SHE SAYS, MAKE, SHE'S LOOKING AT MAINTENANCE.

I, I UNDERSTAND IT.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY SHE SAID IT, BUT I AM WARY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR CBTA MONEY AND WE'RE SUPPLEMENTING WHAT V NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

AND I, I, I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, IF HE DIED, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LET HIM OFF THE HOOK THAT EASY BY GIVING HER CDTA MONEY TO DOING SOMETHING THEY SHOULD DO.

I MEAN, NOW, IF THEY'RE, I, I JUST, I HATE DIVING INTO SOMETHING LIKE WE'RE TAKING OUR MONEY AND PUTTING IT ON SOMETHING THAT VITA, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT DOING YOUR JOB.

IT ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, WHAT YOU SEE AS POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE BEST POTENTIAL.

THESE POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES ARE THE ONES THAT MATCH THESE PROJECTS THE BEST.

WELL, BUT OF COURSE YOU JUST SAID, WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT SOME INFORMATION BECAUSE I ASKED ABOUT THE MAVENS ROAD BRIDGE AND THAT WAS A MAINTENANCE PROJECT.

SO YOU SAID YOU MIGHT FIND SOME OF THESE BRIDGES MAYBE, OR TO THE POINT THAT IT MIGHT SHIFT THE FUNDING SOURCE TO BE MORE OF A MAINTENANCE PROJECT.

WE HAVE SO LITTLE INFORMATION AT THIS POINT THAT IT'S, IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT ONE OF THEM MAY, MAY TURN INTO AN SDR SDR ELIGIBLE PROJECT, BUT I CAN'T.

SO I, I, I, I WOULD MOVE THE BRIDGES DOWN THEM UNTIL WE GET MORE INFORMATION, BUT THAT'S THE EXERCISE WE'RE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE.

YOU GET THAT INFORMATION UNLESS WE DID THE STUDY, BUT THESE AREN'T NECESSARILY AN ORDER.

THERE'S NO ORDER.

THERE'S NO ORDER HERE GROUPED IN CATEGORIES.

THAT'S ALL THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH DO WE WANT? YES.

AND IN THIS TALK IS ONCE THE BRIDGES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION EVEN TO GIVE, TO BE DOT SURE.

TO BE EVEN CONSIDERED.

SO WHEN WE HIT OUR MEETING WITH VIETA AND WE COVERED THE QUARTERLY, THE QUARTERLY MEETING, I THINK MR. SPOON HOW'RE, YOU WERE THERE FOR THAT.

UH, MS. LAST LA, I THINK YOU WERE THERE FOR THAT.

I THINK THE TAKEAWAY FROM THE BRIDGE PROJECTS WAS THAT, UH, THAT THE DISTRICT ENGINEER ALREADY KIND OF KNEW WHAT THE DEAL WAS WITH THE BRIDGES, UH, STUDY.

AND WE, WE, WE, WE'VE BEEN THINKING ALL THIS TIME THAT WE NEED TO DO STUDIES TO SEE IF THE WAIT, IF WE GET TO HAVE LIKE A, AN EXEMPTION FOR, FOR FIRST RESPONDERS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND WHAT JEFF IS TELLING US IS THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

NO, STUDY'S GOING TO WIN.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A GOOD RESULT.

THE STUDY IS NOT GONNA HELP.

SO AT THIS POINT NOW THE, THE ESTIMATE I'M AWAITING IS EITHER ACTUAL ENTIRE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIDGE OR MAYBE RE DECKING THE BRIDGE.

SO, I MEAN, I HAVE, I MEAN, IF WE'RE REDOING THREE BRIDGES, I THINK THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'D BE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY.

WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU CONSIDER A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY.

A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS ARE BETWEEN ONE AND $2 MILLION.

ONGOING PROJECTS, 75% OF OUR SHARE OF THE CBTA MONEY.

I MEAN, JUST THE POINT OF REFERENCE, I GUESS.

SO, SO WE'RE NOT PRIORITIZING THESE OR WE ARE, WHAT ARE WE TRYING? NO, WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE ANSWERS TODAY.

TODAY.

WE WANTED TO JUST EXPLAIN TO YOU ALL THE FUNDING SOURCES, HOW TRANSPORTATION PLANNING HAS CHANGED.

WE WANT TO YOU TO HAVE THE INFORMATION.

AND THEN I THINK WE NEED TO COME BACK AND HAVE ANOTHER FOLLOW UP ON WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES? DOES THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WANT TO PRIORITIZE PUBLIC SAFETY? DOESN'T WANT TO PRIORITIZE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CAPACITY IMPROVEMENT, OR DO YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE WHAT PROJECTS WE THINK WE WOULD GET? YOU KNOW, AND THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY SOMETHING RELATED TO BIKE OR BIKE FED OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, DO YOU SEE STAFF, DO YOU THINK STAFF COULD HELP US, LIKE, IS THERE MAYBE A FORMULA THAT WE COULD PUT IN PLACE ON THE CBT MONEY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO THIS, WE WOULD LIKE 25% OF THE FUTURE CBTA MONEY TO GO TO, TO HELP

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WE GOING TO START PUTTING ASIDE TO START LEVERAGING, AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE PRIORITIES AND THEN WE CAN START DOING THE LEVERAGING BALANCING AMONG PROJECTS.

IS IT MAYBE A FORMULA? BECAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT PUTTING ALL THE CBTA MONEY AND LEVERAGING I'M THINKING HERE, EARMARK, DO WE EARMARK A PORTION TO LEVERAGE A FEATURE? LIKE MICHAEL SAID, HANG ON TO OUR TEAM.

HE GOT A LITTLE MORE ANIMATED ABOUT LIKE GO SPEND THE TWO MONTHS.

SO, SO I HEARD THAT AND I, AND I AGREE I GET IT, BUT I THINK IF WE GO FORWARD, COULD WE MAYBE HAVE A FORMULA THAT SAYS FOR NOW WE CAN LOOK AT THIS ONCE A YEAR OR WHATEVER, BUT FOR NOW LET'S TAKE FUTURE CBA 1000% SET ASIDE FOR LEVERAGING AND 25% FOR, TO HAVE TO DO PROJECTS.

I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING IF A FORMULATED APPROACH THERE'S A MISSING COMPONENT OF THIS, BUT THERE THERE'S CERTAIN FUNDS.

IF WE DON'T USE THE FUNDS, WE DON'T GET THIS MORE CBTA MONEY.

THAT, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING.

SO THERE'S REALLY A COMPONENT OF THAT, THAT IF WE DON'T SPEND THE MONEY BY THE END OF THE YEAR, THEN WE DON'T GET AN EXECUTED, OH, HOLD ON.

THEN CAN WE NOT, CAN WE NOT SET ASIDE, UH, WHAT WE, WE HAVE, HOW MANY YEARS? I THINK THE KID THAT THE KEY IS THE 35%, THAT'S THE MONEY THAT'S THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR US TO SPEND? THE 50% IS JUST, WE CAN SPEND THAT 5%.

WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT.

WE CAN STACK, WE CAN, WE CAN STACK UP TO 50% ALLOCATION, CARRY THAT OVER.

WE CALL IT.

I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IDEA THAT I WAS TRYING TO PUT ACROSS EARLIER IS, IS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME, UH, MR. YOUNG, YOU, ALL OF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY COME TO YOU.

AND WE FIND OUT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN LIKE THESE OPTICOM SYSTEMS, THE MEDIAN BREAK FOR THE CHIEF, THESE THINGS THAT JUST COME UP, UM, SMALLER PROJECTS, THINGS THAT WE SHOULD, HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE THINGS.

IF, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THEM QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY, UH, THOSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE 'EM, WE'LL DO, THOSE ARE GREAT EXAMPLES OF, OF WAYS HE USED TO SPEND SOME OF THAT 50% POT.

THERE'S ANOTHER CATEGORY.

THIS, THIS WILL BE HELPFUL.

WE CAN KIND OF DIVIDE THIS.

I MEAN, YOU'VE DIVIDED IT BY CONCEPT AND THAT'S GOOD PUBLIC SAFETY.

IF YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO SPEND, WE HAVE TWO MINUTES TO VTA OR WE GOT FIVE MINUTES, WHATEVER, YOU START WITH THE NUMBER OF DOLLARS YOU HAVE TO SPEND.

AND THEN, AND THEN, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT MONEY THAT THIS BOARD CAN UNILATERALLY MAKE HAPPEN.

SO THAT COULD BE A SECONDARY SIX YEAR.

IT COULD BE PROFFERS.

IT COULD BE CBT 50 MONIES THAT WE HAVE THAT WE CAN CONTROL THE OUTCOME.

AND THEN WE WON'T HAVE MUCH THAT IS.

AND THEN WE HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS COULD BE PUBLIC SAFETY IS TOP PRIORITY, BUT DOLLARS ARE NOT NEXT TO THOSE PROJECTS RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T HAVE FOR BRIDGES, BUT WE HAVE 90 AND 50.

THAT'S 140 OUT OF THE 2 MILLION OF CBTA 50 MONTHS, PLENTY LEFTOVER.

BUT, BUT TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO START WITH WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE, AND I WOULD PUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE IS A GOOD ONE, BUT, BUT MAYBE FEED THAT ELIGIBLE PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE CONSIDERING FUNDING AND FEED THAT EXPENSE, PUT THOSE IN A SEPARATE CATEGORIES.

SO WE KNOW THAT FOR SPENDING MONEY, WE HAVE CONTROL OVER, OVER, YOU KNOW, TO OFFSET THEIR EXPENSES THAT I WANT TO KNOW THAT, BUT THEN, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, SO WHAT YOU GOT LEFT IS THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO APPLY AND HOPEFULLY CROSS MY FINGERS AND MAKE A WISH ON A STAR.

AND EVEN WE GET SOME, AND THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, MATCH FUNDING, LOCAL MATCH, LEVERAGING KIND OF LEVERAGING.

SO YOU HAVE THIS MUCH MONEY WE CONTROL.

WE HAVE THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT WE THINK ARE REASONABLY HIGH PRIORITY, LOW COST, WHATEVER.

THERE'S A BETA EXPENSES, FILLING POTHOLES, REPAIRING PREJUDICE, DOING THEIR JOB FOR THEM.

AND THEN THERE'S THE LEVERAGE CRUSHING FINGERS, HOPE FOR THE BEST.

AND THEN WE ALL KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAD TO, HOW WE'RE ALLOCATED, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR CHANCES OF SUCCESS ARE.

UH, BUT YEAH, PROFFERS THERE SIX YEARS, ALL THE MONEY THAT WE CONTROL, KNOW, H HOW DO WE WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY WE CAN CONTROL? THAT WOULD HELP ME TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, IF I HAVE THIS MUCH TO SPEND THIS MANY PROJECTS, I'M GONNA PRIORITIZE, WE KNOW WE CAN GET THE SAME STUFF WITH THIS KIND OF MONEY.

LET'S GET THESE THINGS DONE, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE SOME OF IT.

SOME WHAT? YEAH.

AND THEN TRY AND LEVERAGE IT OFF OF, YOU KNOW, CROSS YOUR FINGERS THE BEST.

SO THERE IS NO TIMING, THE WHOLE TIMING THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND MAYBE YOU THINK YOUR SLIDE SAID ALLOCATED BY NEXT OR SEPTEMBER 20, 24.

THAT WAS JUST A 35%.

IF IT COMES THROUGH RIGHT.

HIP FUNDS, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE DEADLINE ON THE, ON THE 35% THAT MAY COME BACK TO US BECAUSE OF THE FALL LINE PROJECT, THAT'S ONE THAT WE TO STAY, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND

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WELL, THEN THAT WOULD JUST BE, THERE'S BEEN NO GUIDANCE OF HOW THEY'RE DISTRIBUTED.

IT'S THERE.

IT'S GOING TO STAFF TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO US AND HOW IT CAN BE DONE, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'D WANT YOU WERE WORRIED ABOUT.

BUT THE 50% CBTA FUNDS, THERE'S NO TIME.

IF YOU HEAR THAT, THAT THAT'S.

SO IF HE'S SAYING THERE MAY BE, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING.

IF WE HAVE TO SPEND IT WITHIN A CERTAIN, THAT'S FINE.

AND WE MAY NOT HAVE TO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH THAT'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT NOTHING HAS ACTUALLY COME TO US TO IMPROVE THE PROCESSES.

NOTHING IS GOING TO GET WORKED OUT AT THE STAFF.

SO, YEAH, WE'RE RIGHT, RIGHT.

AS YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE, NICE TO SEE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO USER LOSING THINGS, IT COULD BE NONE FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, THEN IT CAN BE SECONDARY OR SIX YEARS AGO OR 35% HAS TO GO.

SO WE KNOW THAT HEALTH PLANNING FOR THREE TO FIVE YEARS, WHAT HAS TO GO BY WHEN, SO WE CAN START TO LINE THAT STUFF UP FOR THINGS OUT HIGH PROBABILITY SUCCESS.

WELL, THAT WOULD HELP ME BE ABLE TO BE IN THE CAR THAT WILL CERTAINLY CONFIRM THAT THE 50% IS OURS TO JUST HOLD ON TO WE'LL MAKE SURE CERTAIN, IN SOME CASES WE MAY WANT TO ACCUMULATE TWO OR THREE YEARS WORTH TO DO A BIGGER LOSS.

WE KNOW WE CAN DO THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO BE PLAYING.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE PLANNING FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OUT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE SETTING ASIDE MONEY.

I DON'T, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WHAT WE DO.

WE START, IT MIGHT REALLY HELP IF WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU WANNA DO, THEN WE CAN KIND OF SAY, I JUST THINK MAYBE A FORMULA TO START OUT WITH LIKE, HEY, THIS YEAR SET ASIDE 75% OF THAT 50% FOR FUTURE.

AND, YOU KNOW, INTERNALLY KIND OF ALLOCATE THAT AND THEN START, I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE A COMPLETE GUESSING GAME THIS LEVEL.

SO THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE UNP, PUT 1.5 MILLION ASIDE.

AND WE'D ONLY ABOUT HALF, ABOUT $500,000 LEFT TO SPEND.

WE DID SAY WE NEED ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR P WE'D LIKE TO RESERVE THAT.

I JUST DON'T WANNA PRESENT A DANCER.

BUT I THINK, I THINK IT WAS TWO YEARS, NOT THIS YEAR, THE 2 MILLION, I THINK, KEEP THAT IN, GOING FORWARD, START SETTING ASIDE.

SO WE'RE BUILDING, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED MONEY FOR SMALL PROJECTS OR THINGS.

JUST KNOCK THEM OUT.

I AGREE.

BUT WE, WE HAVE TO GET IN AND LEVERAGE.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, BECAUSE I THINK OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE GOING TO BE LEVERAGING.

AND SO I THINK, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO, AND, AND WE HAVE SOME BIG PROJECTS.

AND WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THESE, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THING, HOW YOU STARTED, THIS WAS HELPFUL.

UM, AND THEN THOSE AREAS WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND LIKE BLAIR ROAD, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT AN EXPENSIVE PROJECT TO ADDRESS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THERE.

BUT, UH, I I'M THINKING WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS IN THE EAST END THAT ARE GOING TO NEED OUR ATTENTION.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PLAN SOME SORT OF A LEVERAGE TO BE COMPETITIVE.

I'D LOVE FOR YOU ALL TO TELL ME.

WELL, THE ONLY I KNOW YOU'VE MADE A GREAT POINT.

THE ONLY, THE ONLY, THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO FACE AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO FIXING IT.

WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND FACE.

IT IS THAT, UM, CHESTERFIELD AND RICHMOND AND HENRICO AND EVEN HANOVER THERE, CBTA 50% POT IS SO MUCH SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN OURS, THAT THEIR ABILITY TO LEVERAGE FUNDS, YOU KNOW, EVERY EVERYONE'S GOING TO LEVERAGE.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BE MINDFUL OF.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE NOT DO IT AT ALL.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BE MINDFUL THAT THERE DOING WHAT WILL GIVE US AN ADVANTAGE.

NOT THAT HE WOULD GIVE US A DISADVANTAGE.

WELL, I THINK, I THINK IF WE, IF WE TRIED, I MEAN PLAYING THE LONG GAME HERE, IF WE SHOW GOOD FAITH AND TRYING TO LEVERAGE WHICH DPO IS TELLING US, WE NEED TO DO THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START LEVERAGING AGAINST, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES AGAINST STUFF.

IF WE MAKE A GOOD THING EFFORT TO DO SO.

AND WE STILL SCORE HORRIBLY BECAUSE THE BIG BOYS ARE ABLE TO FUNCTION.

THEN I THINK THAT GIVES US THE CASE TO GO BACK BEFORE THE REGION AND BEFORE OUR LEGISLATORS AND SAY, THIS IS SIMPLY NOT WORKING.

TO OUR STATE LEGISLATORS AND WE PITCH IT TO THEM, COME OUT WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

BUT IF WE, IF WE DON'T TRY THE LIBERALS, I DON'T THINK WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, IT'S NOT WORKING.

WE JUST WE'VE STEPPED OUT OF THE GAME.

AND I THINK TO GET SOME OF THESE BIG PROJECTS DONE, WE HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME.

IF THE GAME TURNS OUT TO BE STACKED AND STACKED AGAINST US, AS WE FEAR, AT LEAST WE TRIED.

AND I THINK WE CAN SAY, THIS IS, THIS IS CAUSE I MEAN, I ALREADY PLANTED THE SEEDS AT THE MEETING THE OTHER DAY.

I SAID, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, YES, I'D GET OBJECTIVE.

AND IF YOU NEED OBJECTIVE SCORES, BUT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE OBJECTIVE SCORES ARE GOING TO BE SUCH THAT WE CAN'T, WE SCORE ZERO ON ALL OF THEM, THEN WHY HAVE TO REACH IT? THIS ISN'T A REGIONAL EFFORT ANYMORE.

WELL, AND I MEAN, IF THAT'S TRULY, IF WE CONTINUE TO BE A DONOR OR IF WE REALLY FEEL WEIRD ALL IN DONOR EMPATHY, I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE, WE GO

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DON'T TRY TO CAUSE TROUBLE SCREEN, REAL ESTATE PLANNING.

MR. COOPERATIVE, HAVE YOU JUST USING ALL OF THE CVT MONEY TO DRAW ON PROJECTS? WELL, I MEAN, I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT, FOR INSTANCE, TAKE THE 90,000.

WE GOT CTA 50 MONEY HERE, POTENTIALLY IF WE CAN KEEP THE CTA 50 MONEY FOREVER, BUT OUR PROFIT MONEY GOES AWAY IN A COUPLE OF YEARS WHEN TO GET APPROXIMATELY 10 FOREVER.

SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO FIND OUT TO PULL MONEY.

A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME HAS GOT TO BE FOUGHT BASICALLY BECAUSE IT'S NONE OF THEIR BUSINESSES, OUR MONEY, AND NOBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL US THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THIS MONEY OUT OF THE AGREEMENT.

NOW, IF YOU HAVEN'T SPENT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT BACK AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO MORE DESERVING PEOPLE.

IF WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE FOR 30 YEARS TO DO THE TWO 88, WE NEED $60 MILLION.

IF THAT'S THE WORD WE DETERMINED AS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR US, IT'S NOT ANYBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS.

TELL US, UH, WHAT'S OUR SHARE IS OUR SHARE.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT AS UNDER THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT.

THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT LIMIT US.

ARE WE DOING YEAH.

SO WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH WHAT WE COULD TONIGHT.

IT'S FIVE OF THREE.

UM, I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS.

I HOPE THAT WAS HELPFUL.

UM, TO SORT OF GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND, THE BIG PICTURE.

I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THE STRATEGIC PLAN I HAD A FOLLOW UP.

SO WE WILL BE PROBABLY LOOKING AT SCHEDULING ANOTHER FULL WORK SESSION FOR THE BOARD, UM, TO DO FOLLOW UP ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN OF WHEN WE COME BACK.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU WOULD SORT OF LIKE STAFF TO HAVE SOME PRIORITIES, HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE OF HOW MUCH WE THINK WE SHOULD ALLOCATE FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND THEN PERHAPS MAYBE THE TOP THREE APPLICATIONS UNDER EACH FUNDING SOURCE THAT WE THINK WOULD SUPPORT.

WELL, DOES THAT SEEM TO MAKE SENSE ON THESE PROJECTS IS WHAT, WHERE ARE WHERE'S THE MONEY THAT'S DONE? HERE'S ELIGIBLE FOR OPTIMUM? WELL, KAT PROPER MONEY WE CAN USE, BUT JUST DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH, BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHERE IT IS NOT GOLLY.

SO WE CAN DO THAT TOO.

SO YEAH.

SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT WHAT COULD BE, RIGHT? SO WE WOULD LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN OUR POCKET, LIKE WHAT WE COULD SPEND IT ON OUR 2.1 AND HOW WE WANT TO DISTRIBUTE THAT.

AND THEN UNDER EACH FUNDING CATEGORY B APPLICATIONS THAT WE THINK WOULD SCORE THE BEST CENTER, EACH ONE OF US, WELL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE CBT.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, IT WAS LIKE 1.2.

I THINK WE'VE COLLECTED A DISTRIBUTION EVERY MONTH MONTHLY BARBER'S GOTTEN SOME CHECKS.

HE JOINED.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO TODAY IS THAT THE 20, 45 PLAN AND LEAVE YOU HAD CONCERNS.

SO THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THAT.

AND PRIDE PREDATING MEAN THERE WAS ALLOCATION TO WIDEN RIVER ROAD AND SUSAN, YOU RAISED THE CONCERN, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FOR THAT NOW.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE, BUT THERE'S A DEADLINE TO PROVIDE OUR FEEDBACK.

I THINK THAT THERE WERE SOME CITIZENS HAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE THEY LIVED DOWN THERE.

SOME ASSISTANCE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT WIDENING OF RIVER ROAD, BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT IN THE LONG RUN.

I BELIEVE THAT'S ON OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND MAY BE ON YOUR LIST.

WE TOOK IT OUT AND WE TOOK IT OUT.

BUT STILL IT'S NOT AS COMMON.

NO, , DON'T INTERPRET THE REST OF OUR QUESTIONS.

AS WE'RE WINDING UP HERE, I WANT TO JUST DO A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO ALL THE COUNTY STAFF.

THERE'S AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION HERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF GRANULARITY, A LOT OF DETAILS.

WE'VE GOT NEW PEOPLE IN NEW POSITIONS, NEW HIRES.

WE'VE GOT NEW BOARD MEMBERS.

THERE'S A LOT OF NEWNESS HERE AND THIS KIND OF OBSESSION IS JUST ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, BUILD A TABLE TOGETHER AND HAVE A COMMONALITY AND VERBALS.

AND I WANT TO ESPECIALLY, MAYBE EVEN APOLOGIZE A LITTLE BIT FOR OUR RAPID FIRE QUESTIONS AND KIND OF THE 501 QUESTION.

I KNOW IT'S HARD, BUT I APPRECIATE IT.

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IS THERE ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST A PASSION FOR TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT? SO I W I SAID, I'VE GONE TO THE GRADUATE, TOM AND MICHAEL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING COURSE, LEARNING.

SO YOU CUT OUT BECAUSE IT WAS TOO MUCH BEFORE, BEFORE WE BREAK UP THE CHIEF, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRE RESCUE FOLKS.

THEY PUT TOGETHER THAT 70 YEAR ALBUM FOR 70 YEARS AND THEY REALLY ARE WANTING TO DO IT UP.

AND HE TOLD ME THEY WANT US TO GET OUR PICTURES AND BE A PART OF IT.

SO THEY'RE DOING PICTURES TODAY, UM, AT THE CENTRAL.

IT'S AWESOME.

UM, I THINK THAT THERE ARE FIVE TO EIGHT AND TODAY AND TOMORROW.

AND SO I THINK THEY'RE THERE TODAY MAYBE UNTIL FOUR AND THEN FIVE TO EIGHT.

SO IF YOU WANT TO STOP BY TOMORROW 11 TO FOUR AND FIVE TO EIGHT AGAIN TOMORROW.

SO IF YOU HAVE TIME TO SWING BY IF THERE'S LIKE AN ONLINE THING, BUT HE SAID PEOPLE THAT YOU'D GO OVER THERE AND THEY'LL FIT YOU RIGHT IN.

IT'S NOT TIME TO TAKE TONIGHT FIVE 30 TONIGHT AND THEN 11 TO FOUR OR FIVE TO EIGHT TOMORROW AT CENTRAL, WE'D LIKE TO GET OUR MUGSHOT.

YOU CAN JUST USE THIS ON THE WEBSITE, THAT'S IT AND SAID, TAKE YOUR, PICK THE NEW PHOTO AND PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE.

SO I THINK WE WERE THINKING ABOUT SEPTEMBER WORK SESSION.

DID YOU GOOD LOCATION? GOOD.

DO YOU THINK IN NINE TO 12 NEXT TIME IS ENOUGH? OR DO YOU LIKE THE NINE TO THREE STRATEGIC PLAN AND TRANSPORTATION AGAIN, WOULD BE THE TWO ITEMS SHOULD BE A SHORTER YES.

MUCH SHORTER.

WE WON'T BORE YOU WITH ALL DETAILS TO GET US BACK UP TO SPEED WHEN, WHILE OUR SUMMER BREAK.

UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS ON THE TRANSPORTATION PARTIES BEFORE THEN.

WE'RE ALL GOOD.