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[I. Call to Order, 2:00 PM]
FIRST SESSION OF THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, REGULAR MEETING FOR JULY IT'S JULY 6TH, 2021.AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND WE WILL START AS ALWAYS WITH AN INVOCATION AND WE ARE HONORED AND PLEASED TO HAVE A PASTOR BRIAN SAY OF RAGLAND MEMORIAL BAPTIST CHURCH, JOINING US.
HE, UH, REVEREND, IF YOU WOULD COME
[II. Invocation]
ON UP AND GET STARTED AND STAND AS YOU'RE ABLE, AND AFTER THE INVOCATION, MR. PETERSON WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.THANK YOU BOARD FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRAY.
AND ON BEHALF OF OUR CHURCH, I REPRESENT THANK YOU.
AND WE SUPPORT YOU AND APPRECIATE YOU.
WE DO BRING THANKS TO THIS DAY.
THANK YOU FOR THIS MEETING AND WHAT IT REPRESENTS AND THESE ONES OVER US LORD, TO MAKE DECISIONS.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US THROUGH THIS PAST YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF, AND GRANT US MOMENTUM LORD TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND THANK YOU FOR THESE ONES THAT MAKE DECISIONS, THE BOARD, THESE OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE THAT, UH, ARE OVER US.
UH, IT'S IT'S OUR JOY TO, TO BE UNDER THEIR, THEIR LEADERSHIP FATHER, BLESS THEM IN THEIR MEETING, PARTICULARLY AS THEY SEEK TO MAKE DECISIONS, GRANT THEM WISDOM.
AND WE DO THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN THIS, THIS TOWN, THIS COUNTY, THIS STATE, THIS COUNTRY AND JESUS NAME, WE PRAY.
WHAT'D YOUR ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
[III. Pledge of Allegiance]
INTO A PRESENTATION.UM, WE HAD TO POSTPONE THIS, UH, LAST MONTH, BUT WE WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
[IV. Presentation and Recognition of Full Accreditation through Virginia Law]
OFFICE WHOEVER'S, UH, LEADING WE'LL SHOT.I'LL LET YOU ALL INTRODUCE IT.
I'M DEREK MAZE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES OUT OF RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, BY WAY OF BRUNSWICK COUNTY, JUST A LITTLE WAYS DOWN THE ROAD.
WHAT HAPPENED IS RECOUNT RESCHEDULED.
LAST MONTH HAD A FAMILY MATTER, COME UP AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE, BUT I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO COMING DOWN AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING HERE NOW, BECAUSE LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
YOUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS VERY DYNAMIC.
THEY WORK VERY HARD TO SERVE YOUR CITIZENS IN HIS COUNTY.
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH GOOCHLAND FOR OVER 12 YEARS, EVEN WHEN I WAS STILL A DEPUTY, A LIEUTENANT WITH BRUNSWICK COUNTY AND THEY HAVE THE DRIVE, THE PASSION TO GET THINGS DONE, BECOMING AN ACCREDITED AGENCY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU DO HERE.
AND THERE IS SOMETHING THAT TAKES PURPOSE.
IT TAKES A SPECIAL GROUP TO, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WHEN YOU GOT A BRAND NEW SHERIFF IN, AND THE FIRST THING HE DID WAS TO MAKE SURE AND STATE AND MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERY PERSON IN
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HIS AGENCY, THAT THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THEIR ACCREDITED STATUS.THEY WENT TO WORK AND THEY WORKED LONG AND HARD.
AND I REMEMBER THE LOOK ON HIS FACE WHEN I WOULD COME UP HERE SOMETIMES JUST TO HELP HIM OUT AND JUST LOOK DEREK, WE GOING TO MAKE IT DEREK.
ARE WE GOING TO MAKE IT? YES, SIR.
BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING ALL THE RIGHT THINGS ALL THE RIGHT WAYS.
ACCREDITATION DOES SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD'VE JUST HAD DONE BY THEMSELVES.
AND REASON WHY I'M TURNING AROUND TO EVERYBODY IS BECAUSE IT TAKES ALL OF YOU TO GET THIS DONE.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN DO JUST BY THEMSELVES WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, FIRE DEPARTMENT, EMS, WHOEVER IT ALSO TAKES A COMMUNITY TO GET AN AGENCY ACCREDITED.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE OUT THERE BECAUSE I'LL TELL ANYONE IF YOU WANT, YOUR SCHOOL IS ACCREDITED, RIGHT? YOUR HOSPITALS, YOUR DOCTORS, YOUR LAWYERS, WE KNOW THEY'RE BAD PEOPLE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND WE KNOW LAW ENFORCEMENT IS TAKING A TERRIBLE HIT THESE DAYS, BUT STILL YOU GOT PEOPLE WHO WOULD GET UP EVERY DAY AND PUT THAT UNIFORM ON.
ANYBODY CAN WEAR CLOTHES, BUT NOT EVERYBODY CAN WEAR A BADGE.
NOT EVERYONE CAN WEAR A BADGE.
AND IT TAKES A LOT TO DO THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ADVERSITY THAT WE'RE FACING TODAY, LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE COMMUNITY HAS TO BE A PART OF IT.
IT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL AS AN ACCREDITATION.
THAT EVEN JUST AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IT'S THE ONLY WAY WITH EVERYBODY WORKING TOGETHER.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THESE THINGS.
THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE WHAT THEY DO AND HOW HARD THEY TRY.
WE TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME GETTING ACCREDITED, THAT'S EASY, KEEPING IT HAS ANOTHER THING.
AND SO WHEN HE HAD THOSE LOOKS ON HIS FACE AND THAT MOUTH WAS DRAGGING THE GROUND, IT WAS RIGHTLY SO BECAUSE IT WAS HIS FIRST TIME.
BUT HE STOOD THE TEST, HIS AGENCY PADS WITH ZERO RETURNS, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY PUT THAT WORK IN.
I WAS HERE FOR THE ASSESSMENT.
I WATCHED THEM THROUGHOUT THE ASSESSMENT, GETTING WHAT WAS NEEDED, GETTING WHAT MIGHT'VE BEEN MISSED AND NOT ONCE DID THEY GRUMBLE COMPLAIN.
ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS GET IT DONE.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS MORE THAN JUST A PRESENTATION.
AND IT'S THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAY OF LIFE.
THEY'RE ONE OF THE OLDEST ACCREDITED AGENCIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE STATE.
ONE OF THE OLDEST THAT WE HAVE IN THE STATE, AND THAT SAYS SOMETHING FOR ITSELF.
YOU CAN GO SUPPORT, EVEN WHEN YOU'RE MAD AT THEM.
WE GOT MAD AT HER MOM AND DAD'S SISTERS AND BROTHERS ALL THE TIME, BUT WE DIDN'T LOVE THEM.
NOW DID WE SUPPORT THEM BECAUSE WE NEEDED TODAY.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M OFF MY SOAP BOX.
MY DAD AND MY BROTHER HAD THE PREACHERS IN THE FAMILY I'M TO GET OFF MY SOAP BOX AND SHERIFF, IT IS MY PLEASURE.
IT IS TRULY AN HONOR TO PRESENT A GUCCI ON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WITH THEIR SIXTH AWARD, AS AN ACCREDITED AGENCY.
HE'S BEEN, HE'S BEEN OUTSTANDING WORK TO WORK WITH.
UM, HE LED US THE RIGHT WAY, BUT I WAS VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE WITH HIM AND HIS STAFF.
UH, WHEN I MADE THE PHONE CALL AND CONNECTED WITH THEM, THEY HELPED US A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND ALSO, EVEN THOUGH I'M THE ONE RECEIVING THIS AWARD, IT IS THE GUCCI COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE TEAM THAT GETS US AWARD AND THE COMMUNITY THAT STANDS BEHIND US EVERY DAY.
UH, THE GUYS IN THE BACK, UH, AS YOU KNOW, MAJORITY OF THEM, THEY WERE, THEY WERE THE HEAVY LIFTERS, UH, CAPTAIN BEAR FIRST SERGEANT MAY AND, UH, SERGEANT LANCASTER, THEY WERE THE HEAVY LIFTERS WITH THIS.
SO PROPS GO OUT TO YOU GUYS AS THANK Y'ALL.
REALLY APPRECIATE IT ALL YOU'RE DOING TO SUPPORT US AND OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
BRIEFLY SOME CHAIRS COMMENTS BEFORE WE ROLL ON, UH, THE COUNTY,
[V. Chair's Comments]
UH, RECENTLY, UM, IT'S NOT YET ON THE WEBSITE, BUT WE'VE BEEN GRANTED PERMISSION TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED AN AWARD FOR THE GUCCI AND HISTORICAL CENTER AND THE COURTHOUSE GREEN PROJECT.UM, IT'S FOR, FROM AN ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS AN AFFILIATE OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARK ASSOCIATION.
UM, THIS, THE HISTORY HISTORY CENTER IN OUR COURTHOUSE, GREEN ONE, UH, THE, UH, GROUPS AREA AND FACILITY AWARD, UM, THE AWARD IS PRESENTED TO RECOGNIZE A MEMBER AGENCY THAT HAS PROVIDED A UNIQUE
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OR AN EXCEPTIONAL AREA FACILITY, TRAIL CORRIDOR, OPERATIONAL HISTORICAL FACILITY, UH, TO FOCUS NATIONAL ATTENTION ON THE VERY BEST OF FACILITY TO FACILITY DESIGN AND TO ENCOURAGE OUTSTANDING EFFORTS IN PLANNING, DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, AND BENEFITS.UH, THE RENOVATIONS, WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE OLD STONE JAIL, THE HISTORY CENTER THERE, A CIRCUIT COURT CLERK'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS THE PERIOD SIDEWALKS, UH, WHICH WAS PRIMARILY, UH, WHICH WAS ESTIMATED COST, I THINK A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
UM, THE COUNTY FUNDED APPROXIMATELY 75,000 OF THE WORK.
UM, THE REMAINDER OF THE FUNDS WERE PRIVATELY RAISED BY THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
SO THANKS TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND ALL THE FOLKS INVOLVED IN THAT EFFORT.
IT'S, THERE'LL BE MORE ON THAT POSTED, BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE PRELIMINARY REPORT ABOUT THE AWARD AND IT'S EXCITING SOME GOOD NEWS.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE IN THE WAY OF COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.
WE WILL, WE WILL, UH, CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN REQUEST TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEMS AND ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES IN THE
[VI. Requests to Postpone Agenda Items and Additions, Deletions or Changes in the]
ORDER OF PRESENTATION FROM HERE ON OUT BOARD MEMBERS.ANYTHING I DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT I'M GOING TO MOVE TO DO IF, UH, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I'VE GOT ONE ITEM AND THAT IS, UH, OUR AGENDA HAS A CLOSED MEETING.
THIS, UH, AT THE END OF THIS FIRST HALF, UH, SCROLLING DOWN, WE'VE GOT SOME NEW BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS, NUMBER FOUR AT THE END OF NUMBER FOUR, THE MOTION TO ENTER A CLOSED MEETING.
AND THEN OF COURSE COMING OUT THE CERTIFICATION, UM, I WOULD, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADD AN ACTION ITEM AT THE END OF THAT.
SO I GUESS NUMBER FIVE, WE COULD CALL IT, UM, BOARD ACTION AFTER MEETING.
THANK YOU, MR. HOWARD, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE ADD THAT ITEM ACTION ITEM AT THE END OF THIS AFTERNOON SESSION.
ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE FROM WHAT'S BEEN POSTED.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE A, AN AGENDA FOR THE REST OF THE DAY HERE.
SO SCROLLING BACK UP, WE ARE ROLLING INTO THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
[VII. Citizen Comment]
TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ON ANY MATTER RELEVANT TO GOOCHLAND COME FORWARD.AND WE ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TWO TO THREE MINUTES.
UM, AFTER YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THE LIGHT WILL TURN YELLOW WHEN YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT AND A RED, WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, AND THIS IS, THIS IS NOT, IF YOU, IF YOU, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THIS EVENING, UM, CERTAINLY YOUR, IF YOU CAN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING, YOU'RE FREE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT, UM, THERE WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.
SO THE TIME TO SPEAK ON A COUPLE OF MATTERS THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING, SOME REZONING APPLICATIONS, THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING WHEN THOSE ARE HEARD ABOUT THE BOARD.
AND I NEED TO CHECK WITH OUR IT WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE THE MEANS FOR NOPE, NO ZOOM ANYMORE.
SO FOLKS IN HERE AND WE'LL START OFF WITH MR. LYLE.
WELL, I'LL STILL INTRODUCE MYSELF, UH, JONATHAN LAO, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD AND HAPPY 4TH OF JULY TO EVERYONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, PHILADELPHIA IS ABOUT 300 MILES NORTH OF CENTRAL VIRGINIA.
SO IN 1776, IT WOULD TAKEN ABOUT TWO DAYS TO SAIL FROM PHILADELPHIA TO TIDEWATER AND THEN UP THE JAMES RIVER TO CENTRAL VIRGINIA TO GOOCHLAND.
SO TODAY IS LIKELY THE FIRST DAY THAT GOOCHLAND WOULD HAVE LEARNED OF THE DECLARATION SIGNING 254 YEARS AGO.
UH, MY WIFE AND I CAME TO THE COURTHOUSE TO SEE THE FIREWORKS ON SUNDAY.
AND I WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WE PICKED A SPOT ON THE LIBRARY LAWN, AND WHILE WE WERE THERE, SHE ASKED WHAT THIS BUILDING WAS THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
AND I TOLD HER, THIS IS WHERE THE BOARD MEETS.
AND SHE SAID, OH, THAT'S WHERE YOU GO TO BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
I THINK YOU KNOW THAT MY WIFE GREW UP IN THE FORMER SOVIET UNION IF SHE IS A LEGAL IMMIGRANT.
UH, BUT THE REESE'S APPRECIATION OF US HISTORY AND AMERICAN FREEDOM IS STILL EVOLVING IN HER YOUTH, GOING TO A GOVERNMENT MEETING AND SPEAKING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ST.
PETERSBURG WAS BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, CITIZEN INPUT.
THERE WAS, AND STILL IS INEFFECTIVE IGNORED.
AND SOMETIMES BY SPEAKING UP, ONE COULD FIND ONESELF INFECTED BY A RARE DISEASE, ONLY ACQUIRED FROM A VIRUS OR DRUG CONTROLLED BY KGB OR THE FSB, THE RISKS, HIS THOUGHTS ASIDE, I DO NOT CONSIDER THESE BOARD MEETINGS TO BE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH Y'ALL MIGHT THINK DIFFERENTLY WHEN I'M
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AT THE MICROPHONE, BUT I'LL LET YOU DEAL WITH THAT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS ROOM, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THIS BOARD AND EARLIER BOARDS LISTEN, ENGAGE AND IMPLEMENT BASED ON THE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, CITIZENS' COMMENTS.I, UH, I KNOW YOU GET THEM HERE AND YOU ALSO GET THEM AT HOME.
RUMOR HAS IT THAT THIS EVENING'S PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL HAVE SOME BLAH-BLAH-BLAH GOING ON.
AND I WANT TO SAY NOW, BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY DECISIONS THAT WILL MEET MR. PETERSON'S CRITERIA, THEY COMPLY WITH STATE LAW.
THEY GIVE CONFIDENCE TO THE BOND RATING AGENCIES ON WALL STREET, AND THEY WILL MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY.
I WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP AND PUTTING THE EFFORT IN THAT MAKES GOOCHLAND A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE, NOT WHERE THEY HAVE TO LIVE.
AND SO WHILE I'M A BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, INTO THE MICROPHONE HERE, ONCE IN A WHILE, I APPRECIATE YOU TOLERATING MY COMMENTS AND WELCOMING COMMENTS FOR OTHERS.
AND I'M ALSO HAPPY TO SAY THAT SO FAR YET.
I'VE NEVER LEFT LACK, TURN FEELING LIKE I'M COMING DOWN WITH A FEVER.
THANK YOU SINCERELY FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FINAL THOUGHT, MR. PETERSON, IF TONIGHT TONIGHT'S DECISIONS, CAN'T SEND EVERYBODY HOME HAPPY.
IF I GO HOME HAPPY AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I LIVE IN 2164 PROFIT ROAD, MANNEQUIN, SABBATH, VIRGINIA.
AND I'M READING IT BECAUSE I SOMETIMES FORGET WHERE I LIVE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO SOME OF THE, UM, COMMENTS FROM JONATHAN LYLE.
UM, I HAVE BEEN HERE MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT, UM, TO ASK FOR THINGS THAT I FEEL MY COMMUNITY NEEDS, YOU KNOW, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO AS TODAY, A SPECIAL THANKS TO, UM, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
UM, THEY HAVE, THEY, I ASKED FOR PROJECT LIFESAVER AND THEY GAVE ME A BONUS.
THEY GAVE ME A HANDLE WITH CARE, UM, THING.
AND FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME HANDLE WITH CARE IS CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT, UM, TO, TO HAVE SO THAT THE CAD DOES TELL YOU WHAT THE NUMEROUS CONDITIONS I HAVE.
UM, AND WHAT KIND OF A RESCUE VEHICLE IS NEEDED.
UH, I NEED AN, UH, ALS YOU KNOW THAT.
SO, UM, IT'S CRITICAL THAT THEY GET THERE AS FAST AS THEY CAN.
UM, THIS, THIS ALLOWS US TO BE KIND OF LIKE PRIORITY ONE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT I DON'T GET SICK.
UM, THE, THE BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT JOANNE HUNTER IS A JUUL.
UM, MY COMMUNITY WAS STRUGGLING TO, TO FULLY ENGAGE, UM, IN THESE MEETINGS SO THAT WE'RE NOT BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.
UM, AND SHE PUT ON A PRESENTATION ON JANUARY 21ST, 2019.
IT HAPPENED TO BE MARTHA LUTHER KING'S BIRTHDAY, AND SHE ACCOMMODATED US ANYWAYS.
SO, UM, I, THIS IS A WEALTH OF INFORMATION THAT I TRY TO USE EVERY TIME.
UM, ALSO YOU ARE AWARE OF THE COMP PLAN.
UM, BACK LAST YEAR I HAD STICKERS MADE AND, AND MY PRESENTATION BOARD IS BACK TO HELP, UM, MY NEIGHBORS TO, TO KIND OF FALL IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU NEED TO DO AT, UH, TO FULLY ENGAGE.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP MR. PETERSON GAVE ME BACK IN 2015 TO TOLD ME THAT YOU JUST CAN'T SAY YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
YOU GOT TO TELL US WHY YOU DON'T LIKE IT AND BE SPECIFIC.
UH, HOPEFULLY I'VE DONE JUSTICE TO IT, BUT THANK YOU.
LIKE I SAID TONIGHT, UM, I'M HOPING THAT I'M HAPPY WITH THE DECISION.
AND MS. MORTON, THE FIRE CHIEF SENT US PICTURES OF THE LADDER TRUCK.
IT'S AN APPLETON WISCONSIN AND, UM, IT'S ALMOST DONE THE PICTURES LOOK GREAT.
AND I THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DELIVERY IN AUGUST.
I'VE BEEN KEEPING UP WITH IT AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.
MY NAME IS JOYCE HARDEN AND I LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO.
MR. SPOON HAUSER IS MY REPRESENTATIVE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ALLOCATE MY THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO MR.
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CHAIRMAN LUMPKIN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, SEKOU SHABAKA SHRINE OF THE BLACK MADONNA SANCTUARY PRESIDENT AND MEMBER OF THE NAACP.AFTER THE GEORGE FLORIDA MURDER, MANY BUSINESSES, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES MADE RESOLUTIONS.
THEY MADE RESOLUTIONS IN REGARD TO WHAT THE SERIOUSNESS OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
THEY MADE A COMMITMENT TO DEAL WITH THEIR AGENCY, GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATE AGENCY TO, UH, COMMIT TO AN EQUITY.
AND ALSO TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD DO EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO PREVENT, UH, THOSE TYPE OF SITUATIONS FROM HAPPENING.
AGAIN, THE NAACP ASKED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO DO A SIMILAR RESOLUTION, A RESOLUTION, AS YOU KNOW, DEALS WITH ACCOUNTABILITY.
ONCE YOU MAKE A RESOLUTION, MOST OF THE BEHAVIORS AND ORDINANCE THAT YOU DO SHOULD CONNECT BACK TO THAT, UH, RESOLUTION THE BOARD, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, SAID NO THAT THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE INTEREST BEYOND THE PERSON OR ORGANIZATION, UH, MAKING THAT REQUEST.
SO, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, MRS. HOBBES WENT OUT AND GATHERED UP 457 SIGNATURES TO ASK THE BOARD TO MAKE THIS RESOLUTION.
THEY MADE A STATEMENT, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE MAKE A RESOLUTION.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WHY WOULD THEY DENY THAT NOW, UM, MANY COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA HAVE MADE SIMILAR RESOLUTIONS AND MS. HOBBS CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
THE NUMBER I KNOW BED FOR THIS, ONE OF THE COUNTIES, MANY PRIVATE BUSINESSES HAVE MADE THOSE RESOLUTIONS.
UH, I READ SHELTERING ARMS RESOLUTION, THAT BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, UH, THOSE EMPLOYEES, THIS BODY GOVERNS THEIR GOVERN IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY DO BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
YOU HAVE A CARMAX, YOU HAVE CAPITOL ONE.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT SIMILAR RESOLUTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE BY THEM.
SO THE BACK COMMUNITY, THIS IS OUR INTEREST, AND WE ARE AFFIRMING OUR HUMANITY, OUR FIRST CITIZEN RIGHTS, NOT SECOND CLASS, BUT FIRST CLASS CITIZEN RIGHTS.
SO WE AGAIN ARE ASKING YOU TO DO THAT RESOLUTION, UH, SIMILAR SITUATION IN A REQUEST FOR A RESOLUTION OCCURRED AFTER THE JUNETEENTH, UH, CELEBRATION MARCH, JUNE 19TH, 2020, THERE WERE BLACK AND WHITE, LATINO, OR ETHNIC ETHNICITIES THAT MARCH FROM THE SCHOOL TO THE COURTHOUSE FOR CELEBRATION, NOT AS A PROTEST, THEY WERE MET BY WHITE, UM, MILITIA, AND, UH, AT LEAST ONE OR TWO OF THOSE ARMED MILITIA TRIED TO BREACH THE LINE.
THANK GOD THEY WERE STOPPED BY THE SHERIFF AND THE CITIZENS MARCHING.
UM, THE ADULTS MARCHING WITH THAT GROUP SORT OF, UH, MADE A LINE BETWEEN THE MILITIA AND, UH, THE CHILDREN MARCHING.
THESE, UH, BECAUSE I SPOKE AT THE CELEBRATION AND I SAW PRESCHOOL.
I SAW ELEMENTARY BECAUSE I ASKED WHO WAS HERE.
I SAW, UM, MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL, UH, UNDERGRADUATE.
I ASKED IF THERE WERE GRADUATE STUDENTS THERE AND THEY WERE, SO I ASKED FOR A RESOLUTION AND I DID IT AT A TOWN HALL MEETING.
I THINK MS. UH, SPOON HOUR WOULD REMEMBER AND ASKED HIM IF HE COULD HAVE THE BOARD SAY THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE SCHOOL CHILDREN WAS WRONG AND THAT THEY WOULD DO THE BOARD WOULD DO EVERYTHING TO PREVENT A RECURRENCE AND THAT THEY SUPPORTED WHAT THE SCHOOL CHILDREN WERE DOING.
MY ANSWER WAS, IT COULDN'T BE DONE BECAUSE IT WAS TRICKY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONSTITUTES TRICKY IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING SCHOOL CHILDREN, MARCHING TO CELEBRATE AND ARE CONFRONTED BY AN ARMED GROUP
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OF MEN AND WOMEN.WHAT IS TRICKY ABOUT THAT? I HAVE NO IDEA.
THE BOARD PUT TOGETHER A RACE RELATIONS COMMITTEE.
THE RACE RELATIONS COMMITTEE WAS SUPPOSED TO DEAL WITH THE RESOLUTION.
NOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH, OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
THEY MET, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT EVENLY, UH, IT WASN'T ALWAYS LIKE ONCE A MONTH OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT, AND I, I THINK I HAVE THIS RIGHT.
WE WERE TOLD AGAIN, EVEN AFTER THE 457 SIGNATURES, THAT IT WAS JUST WINDY AND SAY, KU, WHO WERE INTERESTED IN THIS RESOLUTION.
AND I THINK MR. SPOON, HOWEVER, DID AN EMAIL SAYING, AND I'M PARAPHRASING SOMETHING TO THAT EXTENT.
SO TO SPEAK ON WHETHER WE SHOULD, THAT COMMITTEE SHOULD DEAL WITH THE RESOLUTION.
BUT THE THING IS, AND I FEEL I'M ACCURATE HERE.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO REVEAL YOUR VOTE OR YOUR FEELINGS IN PUBLIC, YOU CAN EMAIL ME AND TELL ME HOW YOU FEEL A SECRET VOTE, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOARD WHEN YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO YOUR BUSINESS IN THE SUNLIGHT WOULD ASK FOR A SECRET.
IT'S NOT JUST WENDY AND MYSELF.
WE CAN DOUBLE TRIPLE UP PRETTY SOON.
WE AFFIRM, AGAIN, OUR HUMANITY.
WE AFFIRMED THAT WE ARE FIRST CLASS CITIZENS.
WE AFFIRM AS A BLACK COMMUNITY, THAT WE HAVE INTERESTS THAT THE BOARD HAS TO DEAL WITH.
WHEN YOU CAMPAIGN AGAIN IN OUR BLACK COMMUNITY, THESE ISSUES WILL NOT GO AWAY.
AND WE ASK THAT YOU DEAL WITH THEM BEFORE THAT TIME.
I'M AT 37 0 1 FALL, QUIET GARDENS ROAD.
I'M DISTRICT TWO, AND I'M GOING TO YIELD MY TIME TO WINDY HOUSE.
GOOD AFTERNOON TO MR. CHAIRMAN AND TO THE BULLET MEMBERS A YEAR AGO, AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNION OF THE, IN GOOCHLAND IN AACP, I STOOD HERE ON JULY THE SEVENTH, REQUESTING THE BOARD TO MAKE A RESOLUTION TO CONDEMN RACISM AND ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT IT BRINGS IN THAT SPEECH I LISTED A CRITICAL ELEMENTS WERE LISTED.
THAT SHOULD BE IN THE RESOLUTION.
THE RESOLUTION WAS NOT, HAS NEVER MATERIALIZED.
DESPITE THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO SIGNED THE PETITION, WHO WROTE LETTERS AND THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAILED AS A COMMUNITY COMMUNICATION RACE RELATION COMMITTEE, OUR REQUESTS HAS FALLEN ON DEAF EARS.
WE WERE TOLD BY MR. SPOON HAUER BY MR. YOUNG, AND IN HIS ABSENCE, I WILL SPEAK TO THAT, UM, THAT YOU, THE BOY DID NOT WANT TO DO THE RESOLUTION TO SAY THAT MEANS THAT THERE WERE SPEAKING FOR THIS ENTIRE BULLET.
AND IT'S FIVE OF YOU ON THIS BOARD.
AND I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT ALL FIVE OF YOU DON'T THINK RACISM IS WRONG.
I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT WE SHOULD SWEEP THIS UNDER THE RUG.
UM, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE NAACP ARE NOT CONVINCED, BUT I HAVE TO QUESTION IF MR. SPOON HAUER AND MR. YOUNG WAS SPEAKING FOR THE ENTIRE BOARD, THEN WHEN WAS THE BOARD MEETING HELD? AND WHEN WAS THE PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE GIVEN TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY? I'M NOT AWARE THAT ONE WAS HELD, BUT IN ORDER TO SAY, THIS BULLET IS OPPOSED TO IT.
THAT MEANS THAT'S A COLLECTIVE DECISION THAT WAS VOTED ON.
AND SO WHERE'S THE TRANSPARENCY IN THAT.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS COMMUNITY RACE RELATION COMMITTEE THAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO IN AUGUST, WE'VE HELD TWO MEETINGS THAT DOES NOT SHOW PRIORITY TO THIS CONCERN.
AND THE REASON RATIONALE WAS COVID.
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AND OCTOBER IN THE MIDST OF COVID AT THE HEIGHT OF COVID, WHERE WE HAD NO VACCINE.AND AFTER WE GET THE VACCINE, WE CAN'T HAVE ANY MEETINGS.
YOU ALL, AS A BOARD HAVE BEEN MEETING BY ZOOM EVER SINCE THIS PANDEMIC HIT, WHY WE COULDN'T MEET BY ZOOM? THIS IS, THIS REALLY IS INDICATIVE OF SAYING, THIS IS NOT A PRIORITY FOR THIS BOARD.
AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND AS A PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP, IT IS APPALLING TO US, UM, THAT YOU ALL PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT RESOLUTIONS YOU DO.
AND THE ONES TIME THAT THE BLACK COMMUNITY COME AND SAY, WE WANT A RESOLUTION THAT CONDEMNS RACISM AND ALL THIS ILS, WE GET IGNORED.
THIS IS MY THIRD TIME SPEAKING TO THIS ISSUE.
I'VE SINCE SENT LETTERS AND WRITING, I PRESENTED PETITIONS, NOT ONE TIME THAT WE GET AN ANSWER OR RESPONSE BACK FROM THIS BULLET.
AND WE ARE YOUR CONDUCED YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO NOT ONE TIME.
NOW, GRANTED, MOST OF THE CONSTITUENTS ARE IN MR. SPOON HOWARD AND MS. LOU BLACK CONSTITUENTS ARE IN MR. SPOON.
HOWEVER MS. LASKA LED, BUT EVERY ONE OF YOU ALL HAVE BLACK CONSTITUENTS AND THEIR INTEREST SHOULD BE REPRESENTED BY THIS BOARD DOING THE JUNE 3RD MEETING, NO OCTOBER THE 23RD FIRST MEETING, WE LEFT THAT MEETING SAYING THAT WE WERE GOING TO COME BACK AND WORK ON A RESOLUTION.
YET WE HAVEN'T HAD ANOTHER MEETING.
JUNE 3RD, WE MET WITH MR. YOUNG AT YOUR REQUEST.
AND HE SAID, I'M GOING TO DRAFT THE RESOLUTION AND I'M GOING TO TAKE IT TO THE BOARD.
MR. YOUNG, OF COURSE IS NOT HERE.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN BECAUSE HE WAS HIRED BY YOU ALL.
AND IT'S A QUALIFIED CANDIDATE OUT OF 40.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW HE'S PUSHED OUT THE DOOR.
IS THAT BECAUSE HE ASKED FOR THE RESOLUTION? YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE ARE SEEING, OUR FIRST BLACK COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IN THE HISTORY OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
YOU SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT ALL.
THIS WAS THE ONE THING WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO ON TOMORROW.
YOU ALL ARE HOLDING THE MEETING.
I THINK THAT'S STILL SCHEDULED WITH OUR LEGISLATORS THAT REPRESENT THIS COUNTY.
IT'S NOT, BUT WHATEVER I KNOW THE THING I GOT WAS FOR TOMORROW, BUT THANK YOU FOR SHARING.
UM, BUT MY POINT IS, WHEN YOU ALL MEET WITH THEM, YOU DESIGNED THE AGENDA.
AND ON THAT AGENDA, YOU PLACE, WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND GUN RIGHTS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU ALL MADE A RESOLUTION FOR, THAT YOU ALL HAVE PLACED ON AGENDAS TO SPEAK.
WHEN YOU SPEAK TO OUR LEGISLATORS TO SAY WHATEVER IS GOING TO BE IMPACTFUL ON OUR COMMUNITY, OUR BLACK COMMUNITY, THINGS THAT IMPACT US, LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO GET OUR SHOTS, LIKE NOT GETTING MEDICAL CARE AND THINGS THAT IMPACT US BE A PART OF THEIR AGENDA.
AND IF A RESOLUTION THAT YOU DID FOR GUN ENTHUSIASTS CAN GET ON THEIR AGENDA, THEN MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED A RESOLUTION TO GET ON YOUR AGENDA, TO TALK TO THE LEGISLATORS.
AND GATLIN IS NOT IN A BUBBLE.
AND WHEN MR. HILL WAS KILLED IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY AND HIS FAMILY PROTEST HERE, YOU ALL COULD HAVE BEEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ISSUE AND BEEN ABLE TO SAY TO THAT MOTHER, OFFER YOUR CONDOLENCES AND SAY TO HER, BUT IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, WE VALUE OUR BLACK PEOPLE.
WE LISTEN TO OUR BLACK PEOPLE AND WE SUPPORT OUR BLACK PEOPLE.
THIS ISSUE YOU'VE BEEN ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ISSUE.
AND WE, AGAIN, CALL FOR THE RESOLUTION IN THIS REJECTION OF THIS REQUEST CAN NOT BE ACCEPTED, IS HOW YOU DO BUSINESS WITH THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
AND THERE'S MRS. SACK, WHO SAID, WHEN YOU'RE CAMPAIGNING AND YOU'RE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, Y'ALL SHOW UP AT OUR CHURCHES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU GOT TO GO BEYOND THAT AND DO YOUR JOB AS COUNTY BOARD NUMBERS.
THANK YOU, MS. THOMPSON, WE WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE MEETING SCHEDULED YET, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO COORDINATE, BUT IT WAS MS. DELICATE WHERE I COULDN'T MAKE IT.
AND WHEN I LAST SAW SENATOR PEEK, HIS SCHEDULE WAS REALLY TIGHT.
SO WE THOUGHT WE WERE ACCOMMODATE THEM SOMETIME LATER.
IT I'M THINKING SEPTEMBER, BUT WE WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED WHEN WE, WHEN WE RESCHEDULE IT.
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DOING THAT.DID YOU TAKE MY GAMBLE, MR. PETERSON? GOT IT.
WE'LL CLOSE THE US CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD.
ROMAN NUMERAL EIGHT APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
WE HAVE THE MAY 4TH AND THE JUNE 1ST,
[VIII. Approval of Minutes]
REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.ANY, ANY COMMENTS, ANY CORRECTIONS, ANY COMMENTS? UH, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES MR. CHAIR.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM MAY 4TH AND JUNE 1ST, 2021 SECOND.
THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON, RUSS SLACKS, COLETTE.
ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
WE'LL DIVE RIGHT INTO REPORTS AND CUT.
STARTING WITH A V DOT GOOD AFTERNOON.
[IX. Reports]
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MARSHALL WIND WITH V DOT.UM, THIS PAST MONTH WE RECEIVED 181 WORK ORDERS AND COMPLETED 167 OF THEM.
UH, WE HAD 14, UH, AFTER OUR CALLS, ANYWHERE FROM HIGH WATER TO ACCIDENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING COMPLETED A SECOND CYCLE OF PRIMARY MODE JUST PRIOR TO THE FOURTH.
AND WE'VE COMPLETED ABOUT 50 OR SO PERCENT OF THE SECONDARY ROUTES MOWEN AND THEY CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
WE DID COMPLETE TWO MAJOR PIPE REPLACEMENTS ON PONY FARM A WEEK BEFORE LAST, UH, EACH, EACH, UH, STRUCTURE THAT WE REPLACED WAS A HUNDRED TWICE A DOUBLE LINE OF 60 INCH PIPE, 120 FEET LONG EACH, IT WAS A SUCCESS AND WE GOT IT ALL DONE BEFORE THE BIG STORM WE HAD LAST THURSDAY.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO REPORT AND UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL.
UM, ON, UH, THE REPORT I GOT FROM MR. CAMPBELL, UH, THERE'S THIS STUDY BEING DONE ON RIDDLES BRIDGE AROUND THE FLOODING, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SURVEY HAS BEEN COMPLETE.
UH, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEP IN THAT PROCESS DOES
[1. 4068: VDOT - June 2021]
THAT THAT INFORMATION WAS SENT TO OUR HYDRAULIC SECTION? THEY'RE DOING A STUDY OF IT RIGHT NOW.WE DON'T HAVE THE RESULTS OF THAT YET, BUT ANY TIMEFRAME OF WHEN THAT MIGHT BE, WE'RE HOPING WE USUALLY TAKE, WELL, WE'RE HOPING WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR.
I RECEIVED A REPORT OF SOME DAMAGE TO THE ROAD.
UM, HAYDENVILLE FIVE ROAD RIGHT IN FRONT OF, OR VERY NEAR A SECOND UNION BAPTIST CHURCH.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S EQUIPMENT DAMAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A VEHICLE OR HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE WOULD, Y'ALL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
SEE IF IT'S DRIVABLE FROM WHAT UNDERSTAND.
I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GO BY THERE MYSELF, BUT OKAY.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S DRIVABLE, BUT IT IS FLIGHT ROAD ITSELF.
IT'S YEAH, IT IS ON A HAYNESVILLE FIVE ROAD.
I'LL GET, STAY UP TO LOOK AT THAT.
ON THIS END, OVER HERE, NOTHING HAPPENING IN FOUR AND FIVE.
THE COMMENTS THAT YOU SENT BACK ON THE ITEMS THAT I HAD, UH, CARDWELL AND THOSE ERRORS.
IT DOESN'T MAKE THE PEOPLE HAPPY.
IT'S A STANDING INTERSECTION CHIN RIGHT THERE.
AS SOON AS WE HAVE UNLIMITED SUPPLIES OF MONEY.
[2. 4064: Introduction of New County Staff]
I'D JUST LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE TO INTRODUCE YOU ALL TO THE NEW EMPLOYEES THAT JOINED US IN JUNE.THERE WERE FIVE OF THEM TOTAL.
UM, THE FIRST FOUR MADELINE GORE TESTS ARE TASKY, ISABEL CLUNE AND SUSANNE ANDERSON.
UM, JOINED THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AS SUMMER CAMP COUNSELORS.
THEY ACTUALLY, UM, KICKED OFF THEIR SUMMER CAMPS IN JUNE TOWARDS THE END OF JUNE.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE THOSE FOLKS HERE FOR THE SUMMER AND ALSO WE DO HAVE A
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NEW SHERIFF'S DEPUTY, UM, WHO STARTED IN JUNE AND THAT WAS DUE TO A RESIGNATION.AND THIS GENTLEMAN CAME TO US FROM HENRICO COUNTY.
HE WAS AN INVESTIGATOR OVER THERE, SO HIS SKILLS ARE ALREADY BEING PUT TO USE AS WE SPEAK.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR OUR JUNE NEW EMPLOYEES.
THANK YOU, MS. RICE, GOOD REPORT.
HOW MANY OPENINGS DOES THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY ARE MEALS? BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE FILLING AND I KNOW I SEE MAJOR EAST BACK THERE ON MAYBE HOW MANY OPENINGS THIS YEAR.
NEXT ITEM IS, UH, INFORMATION, UH, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ITEM THREE AND REPORTS? IT'S A PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY.
[3. 4048: Planning and Development Activity]
I DID MISS A CHAIRMAN.I LOOK AT THIS AND I ALWAYS THINK EVERYTHING'S HAPPENING IN DISTRICT ONE, BUT IT'S JUST IN NUMERICAL ORDER.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, AND SEVERAL OF THESE ITEMS IS NOT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR NECESSARILY, BUT, UH, IT WILL SAY IT'LL GIVE WHAT THE, UM, APPLICATIONS ABOUT IT.
IT WILL SAY NO COMMUNITY MEETING HAS BEEN SCHEDULED.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WON'T BE SCHEDULED.
IS THAT RIGHT? IT JUST HASN'T BEEN SCHEDULED YET.
SO EVERY APPLICANT HAS TO DO THEIR OWN PRE-APPLICATION MEETING.
UM, SO IT'S UP TO THEM WHEN THEY SCHEDULE IT.
UM, BY THE WAY, WHILE I HAVE YOU, I'M SORRY.
SO, WELL, MAYBE THIS IS A DIFFERENT THING.
UM, YOU CAN GO ONTO OUR WEBSITE, NOTIFY ME AND SELECT WHAT YOU WANT TO BE NOTIFIED.
IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF GETTING COMMUNITY MEETINGS ADDED TO THAT LIST? IT, I BELIEVE THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I COULDN'T FIND IT, UM, OR YOU'RE UNDER THE BOARD'S CALENDAR, ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES UNDER THE BOARDS.
CALENDAR THAT'S ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
AND YOU CAN GET NOTIFIED OF JUST COMMUNITY MEETINGS, RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT INFORMATION ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
NEXT ONE IS THEN AN INFORMATION ITEM AS WELL.
UH, ACCOUNTS PAYABLE AND WE HAVE OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OF ALL THINGS FINANCE
[4. 4061: Accounts Payable]
HERE, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.THAT WAS ROLLING RIGHT THROUGH THE REPORTS BOARD REPORTS.
[5. Board Reports]
AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR NEW POSITION, RIGHT? YES.SO I'M TRYING TO GET AWAY, BUT HE BRING ME BACK IN, UM, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
SO, UH, THIS MONTH I PASSED THE GAVEL OVER FOR PLAN RVA TO, UH, CHRIS WINSLOW FROM CHESTERFIELD COUNTY.
UM, SO, UM, WE HOPEFULLY REPRESENTED GUCCI AND WELL AS CHAIR OF PLANNER V FOR LAST YEAR.
UM, AS FAR AS THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, A LOT OF WORK GOING ON REGARDING, UM, EXPANDING EXPENDITURES AND THE REGIONAL PROJECTS WORKING THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
I'VE BEEN ASKED TO CHAIR A COMMITTEE REGARDING THE PERSONNEL, UH, DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU UNAWARE, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CREATED A REGIONAL AUTHORITY TO INCREASE TAXES ON GASOLINE AND SALES TAX.
THOSE FUNDS GO TO, UH, GO TO LOCALITIES WITH A PORTION GOING TO THE REGIONAL, AND WHILE THEY SET IT UP, THEY DIDN'T REALLY SET UP HOW IT WAS TO BE ORGANIZED.
SO, UM, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT AND I'VE BEEN ASKED TO HELP, UM, ACTUALLY CHAIR THAT, UH, WHICH, AND REPORT BACK IN AUGUST WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS SHOULD IT BE ITS OWN ENTITY WILL FALL UNDER PLAN RVA.
IF IT DOES FALL UNDER PLAN RVA, THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THEM? SO PRETTY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY.
DO YOU WANT OUR OPINIONS ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID? HOW IT SHOULD BE? IT DEPENDS.
CAN I TELL YOU YOUR OPINION? YEAH.
ANYTIME, ANYTIME WE KNOW YOU HAVE THOUGHTS.
I JUST, I JUST, MY REACTION TO THAT IS THAT I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE LAYERS MORE THAN WE NEED, BUT I, I, CAUSE WE'RE MS. LAST GLEN AND I ARE ON THE TPO AND THAT, THAT SAME, WE HEAR ABOUT THAT SAME TOPIC ABOUT THE STRUCTURE, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STEPPING UP.
AND I KNOW THEY REACHED OUT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DID SUCH A GREAT JOB AS CHAIR OF PLAN RVA.
UM, YEAH, NO, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE,
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WE'RE, WE'RE, NONE OF US ARE SURPRISED THAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO CONTINUE IN THE LEADERSHIP ROLE AND THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTING US.WELL, MISS LAST WEEK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THE TPO, I'LL LET YOU FEEL IT.
CAUSE I, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST YEAR.
UH, YES, AS, UM, UH, CHAIR LUMPKINS MENTIONED, WE BOTH SERVE ON THE, ON THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION.
THE CURRENT CHAIR IS FROM POWER TAN, SO, AND I'M VICE CHAIR.
SO WE HAVE TWO SMALL LOCALITIES IN LEADERSHIP HERE, AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE ABLE TO STEER THE ORGANIZATION AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT.
UH, WE'RE OUTNUMBERED AND OUTGUNNED BY THE LARGER LOCALITIES.
THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
BUT I THINK WE WOULD TO HAVE US THERE LOOKING AT THINGS, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A FEW THINGS, AT LEAST IN OUR, UM, IN OUR FAVOR.
SO MONTHLY MEETINGS, REGULAR MEETINGS IN BETWEEN.
AND YEAH, I MEAN, I WAS KIDDING, BUT WE DID PASS THE UNIVERSAL SCOPE OF PROJECTS.
WE ADOPTED SOME SIGNIFICANT THINGS IN TERMS OF THE LONG RANGE PLAN FOR ROADS IN THE REGION.
AND WE HAVE WE'RE IN THERE FEW PLACES, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF BIKE AND PEN, UH, BUT BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN OR ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION SEEMS TO BE WHAT THEY'RE GOING FOR.
BUT IT'S INTERESTING THIS END, ANY, ANY REPORTS FROM ANYBODY ON ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF BOARD? UH, THIS CHAIR IS FINE.
UH, AS FAR AS THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE GOES FOR GOODSON COUNTY.
W WE DIDN'T MEET THIS MONTH, BUT WE'RE SCHEDULED TO MEET IN AUGUST AND WE'LL HAVE A FAIRLY FULL AGENDA, UH, INCLUDING THE, UH, ONGOING AUDIT SINCE WE HAD A FISCAL YEAR ENDED IN JUNE 30TH.
UM, WE'VE GOT A PENDING RESOLUTION, A REFERENDUM, I SHOULD SAY, PENDING REFERENDUM.
UM, AND OF COURSE THE QUARTERLY BUDGET MEETING TO TRACK THE BUDGET AND SEE HOW WE'RE ON TRACK SO THAT THAT'LL COME UP NEXT MONTH IN AUGUST.
UM, WE'LL GO INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA BOARD MEMBERS.
IS THERE ANY ITEM, UM, WE HAVE WHAT ONE THROUGH 10,
[X. Consent Agenda]
ANY ITEMS THAT, UH, ANY MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO PULL OUT FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND SEPARATE VOTE GOING ONCE? ALL RIGHT.WE WILL PRESENT THESE AS A BLOCK AND THEN VOTE ON THEM AS A BLOCK.
SO ITEM ONE IS A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE BUDGET
[1. 4051: Resolution amending the Fiscal Year 2022 Goochland County Budget by]
TO APPROVE A BUDGET AND APPROPRIATE 107,000 GENERAL FUND FOR NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDING INSPECTOR.AND I'M ANTICIPATING, THERE MIGHT BE A QUESTION ON WHAT IS ONE-TIME EXPENSE AND WHAT IS IT REPEATING EXPENSE THAT FIGURE INCLUDES A VEHICLE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 30,000.
UH, THE BALANCE WOULD BE A SALARY FIGURE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE ADDITION OF A NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDING INSPECTOR POSITION.
THE NEXT ITEM IS ANOTHER BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR 189, BASICALLY 189,500.
UH, WE'RE AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A CONTRACT
[2. 4044: Resolution amending the Fiscal Year 2022 Goochland County Budget by]
WITH PIEDMONT CONSTRUCTION COMPANY FOR 126,000 9 45 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A WATER CONNECTION TO THE JENKINS PARK, WHICH IS RIGHT UP IN FRONT OF THIS BUILDING ACROSS ROUTE SIX, UM, COST OF THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GOING TO BE REIMBURSED WITH FEDERAL FUNDS THROUGH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, UM, PURSUANT TO A FUNDING AGREEMENT FROM THE VIRGINIA RESOURCES AUTHORITY.THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A WHILE.
SO THIS IS JUST THE STEP TO APPROPRIATE FUND.
AND THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE AN INCOME ITEM OR REVENUE ITEM TO COUNTER THIS IN TERMS OF THE REIMBURSEMENT.
THE NEXT ITEM IS A RESOLUTION REQUESTING V.TO ACCEPT THE ROADS IN READER'S BRANCH, SECTION TWO, INTO THE SECONDARY SYSTEM OF STATE,
[3. 4052: Resolution requesting VDOT Accept Roads in Readers Branch, Section 2]
UM, STATE HIGHWAYS.UM, THE ROADS HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED BY THE DEVELOPER AND MR. WYNN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE WAY IT WORKS IS YOU ALL INSPECT THEM AND THEN YOU APPROVE IT AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO US TO PASS A RESOLUTION REQUESTING THAT YOU ACCEPT IT INTO THE SYSTEM.
HAS IT GONE THROUGH ONE YEAR SHARING YET? ONE YEAR? SURE.
MR. WYNN HAS ASKED, HAS IT GONE THROUGH THE ONE YEAR SURETY AND THAT'S, UM, I'M GETTING NODS FROM OUR COUNTY STAFF.
UM, SO NEXT ITEM IS RESOLUTION DO ADOPT THE SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN PRIORITIES.
[4. 4050: Resolution to Adopt Secondary Six Year Plan Priorities 2022-2027]
THIS FUNDING ALLOWS FOR THE HEART SERVICING OF CERTAIN UNPAVED ROADS THAT QUALIFY FOR THE DESIGNATION AS RURAL RUSTIC ROADS, UM,[00:50:01]
PROVIDES FUNDING FOR THE FOLLOWING ROADS, ROUTE 7 0 6 JERUSALEM CHURCH ROAD FROM THREE CHOPS TO THE END OF STATE MAINTENANCE IT'S FULLY FUNDED.NEXT ONE IS FULLY FUNDED, ROUTE 703 HARMED IN ROAD FROM PRIOR ROAD TO END OF THE STATE MAINTENANCE.
ONE MORE FULLY FUNDED, UH, 6 77 BOWLS ROAD FROM SHANNON HILL TO END OF STATE MAINTENANCE.
AND THE LAST ONE ON THIS LIST, BEN LAMOND ROAD FROM ROCK CASTLE TO THE END OF STATE, AND THAT IS PARTIAL FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT.
THE NEXT ITEM IS A RESOLUTION TO DESIGNATE GIBSON COUNTY AS A DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE BEFORE.
[5. 4046: Resolution to Designate Goochland County as a Destination Marketing]
UM, THIS COMES FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE.THEY WILL BE THAT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE WILL BE THE CHIEF LIAISON, UM, DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATIONS OR DEEMOS OR PRINCIPAL CONTRACTS FOR ALL STATE TOURISM RELATED ACTIVITIES.
THAT'LL GIVE A CENTRAL CONTACT FOR INQUIRIES FOR COORDINATING TOURISM ACTIVITIES, AS WELL AS A POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE VIRGINIA TOURISM CORPORATION OFFICE.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS ONE BEFORE, AND, UH, YOU CAN LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE FOR SOME MORE BENEFITS THAT WE'LL GET FROM THAT, BUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS IN FAVOR OF THAT AND THEY BRING US THAT REQUEST.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT ONE IS A RESOLUTION TERMINATING THE LOCAL EMERGENCY DECLARATION.
UM, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD COMMONWEALTH
[6. 4056: Resolution Terminating Local Emergency Declaration]
ENDED THEIR STATE OF EMERGENCY ON, UH, JUNE 30TH.UH, AND, UH, THE, WE BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE.
IF YOU ADOPT THIS, YOU ACCEPT THE, UH, JOINING THE BELIEF THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TERMINATE THE LOCAL EMERGENCY DECLARATION.
AND THAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
THE NEXT ITEM AUTHORIZATION FOR OUR DESIGNEE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS TO EXECUTE
[7. 4053: Authorization for County Administrator to Execute a Memorandum of]
A MEMORANDUM OF AUTHORITY WITH THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.UM, THE MOA OR MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT IS IN OUR PACKET.
IT, UH, HAS TO DO WITH THE DISTRIBUTION AND USE OF FUNDS UNDER THE CBTA ACT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, HAVE ANYTHING NEW ON THAT.
YOU'VE ALREADY DESCRIBED WHAT THE CBTA DOES.
AND SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE IS, UH, FUNDS LOCAL FUNDS FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
NEXT ITEM IS OUR REQUEST TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S JUST A REQUEST TO SEND A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR NEXT MEETING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE
[8. 4034: Request to Set a Public Hearing for August 3, 2021, to consider an ordinance]
AMENDING COATS COUNTY CODE SECTION 14 DASH 2 51, THE TACOMA'S SURFACE CREEK TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT TO INCLUDE A PARCEL LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF JOHNSON ROAD AND ASHLYN ROAD.AND THE TAX MAP NUMBER IS THERE IN OUR AGENDA.
UM, PUBLIC HEARING WILL END UP BEING HEARD AT THE SAME MEETING AS A REZONING APPLICATION FROM THE APPLICANT M E P V FOUR, LLC.
THIS IS JUST TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING.
SECOND TO LAST ONE ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA IS AN AUTHORIZED BOARD AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A SECOND AMENDMENT TO LEASE WITH THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA BACKS,
[9. 4060: Authorize execution of Second Amendment to Lease with the Central]
BLACK SMITHS GUILD, EXTENDING THE RENT ABATEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM THROUGH THE REST OF THIS YEAR.UM, OBVIOUSLY DUE TO THE STATE OF EMERGENCY AND EXECUTIVE ORDERS, THE GUILD HAS BEEN UNABLE TO HOLD ANY CLASSES.
UM, SO THIS JUST CONTINUES SUSPENSION OF RENT PAYMENTS FOR A LITTLE LONGER, THE LAST ITEM, THE HUMAN RESOURCES POLICY MANUAL AMENDMENT.
I'M GOING TO PHONE A FRIEND FOR SOME HELP WITH THIS ONE, UH,
[10. 4065: Human Resources Policy Manual Amendment]
MS. RICE, IF YOU WOULD COME UP AND JUST GIVE US A SUMMARY ON THAT.SO THERE ARE TWO SECTIONS THAT WE ARE AMENDING THIS YEAR FOR THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.
THE FIRST ONE, UM, JUST BEING THE WAY THAT, UM, OUR STAFF ACCRUES THEIR ANNUAL LEAVE.
UH, WE'RE MAKING A CHANGE TO THAT, AND THAT IS WITH REGARDS TO CREDIT FOR PRIOR SERVICE IN GOVERNMENT, IT WAS WRITTEN VERY VAGUELY, UM, DIFFICULT TO APPLY STRAIGHTFORWARD ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND SO WE'VE BUTTONED THAT UP, MADE IT VERY CLEAR IN HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT MOVING FORWARD.
THE SECOND PART, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHY Y'ALL CALLED ME UP HERE.
UM, SO THE VIRGINIA ASSEMBLY PASSED LEGISLATION THAT LEGALIZED RECREATIONAL USE OF MARIJUANA.
THIS TOOK EFFECT JULY 1ST, 2021, WHICH WAS JUST A FEW DAYS AGO.
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STILL MAINTAINING AN ALCOHOL AND DRUG FREE WORKPLACE.UM, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT AS AN EMPLOYER, AND WE ALSO HAVE BACKING THROUGH OUR FEDERAL LAWS, UM, OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH ADMINISTRATION AND OTHER VIRGINIA CODE REGULATIONS AS WELL.
SO IN THE HUMAN RESOURCES POLICY, THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE ARE ACTUALLY JUST THE LANGUAGE, UM, CHANGING WORDING FROM ILLEGAL DRUGS TO CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES, INCLUDING MARIJUANA, MAKING IT VERY SPECIFIC, WHAT WE'RE INCLUDING WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
AND ALSO A PROVISION FOR THE PREEMPLOYMENT DRUG SCREENING, WHERE, BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATION, WE ACTUALLY ARE REQUIRED TO ASK A POTENTIAL EMPLOYEE.
IF THEY HAVE A WRITTEN PRESCRIPTION FROM A DOCTOR, UM, IF THEY DO TEST POSITIVE IN THAT WAY, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST HIRING FROM THEM IF THAT'S THE CASE.
UM, HOWEVER, IN CURRENT EMPLOYMENT, WE ARE STILL MAINTAINING THAT THERE'LL BE NO DRUGS OR ALCOHOL USE EITHER ON PROPERTY OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD AFFECT THEIR APPOINTMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS BOARD MEMBERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING UP AND EXPLAINING THAT.
SO, UM, JERRY, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION, BUT I'LL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE MOTION IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVED TO THE GOODWIN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED CONSENTED, A CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH 10 AS PRESENTED.
BOTH DISTRICT ONE AND DISTRICT TWO FOR THAT.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THE ITEMS, ANY QUESTIONS I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, WERE ASKED TO, UM, APPROPRIATE, UH, THE MONEY FOR THIS, UH, CAPITAL, UH, UTILITIES, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, A PROJECT, AND ALSO TO AUTHORIZE THE CONTRACT EXECUTION.
BUT THE CONTRACT IN OUR BOARD PACKET DOES HAVE SOME BLANKS IN IT.
IT'S STILL SOME THINGS TO BE FILLED OUT.
SO, UH, WE EXECUTING THE CONTRACT, UM, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT'S GETTING FILLED IN.
THERE SOUNDS LIKE WE MIGHT BE, BUT LET'S, UM, LET'S GET SOME HELP MS. LESKO.
UM, I DIDN'T REVIEW THE EXACT PACKET THIS MORNING, BUT YOU CERTAINLY WOULD ONLY BE EXECUTING THE CONTRACT ONCE WERE REVIEWED IT ENSURED THAT, UM, THERE ARE NO BLANKS.
WE DO REQUIRE THAT THE DATE BE LEFT BLANK WHEN IT COMES BEFORE THE BOARD SO THAT WE CAN THEN DATE IT UPON THE BOARD'S EXECUTION.
UM, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NOT OTHER BLANKS IN THE CONTRACT.
DID YOU SEE ANY, BESIDES THE DATE MISS LAST CAUSE I, I LOOKED AT IT AND SKIMMED IT LIKE ARTICLE THREE, DATE, UH, IT'S ON PAGE 90 OF OUR BOARD PACKET.
TIME OF PERFORMANCE WILL BE COMPLETE HONOR BEFORE IS BLANK.
UM, ALL RIGHT, LET ME CATCH UP.
CAUSE THE CONTRACT STARTS ON BEACH.
LOOKING ON PAGE 99, ARTICLE THREE.
RIGHT? SO THE FUNDING AGREEMENT.
THAT'S THE FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE VRA AND THEN WE HAVE, LOOKS LIKE WE'D HAVE SOMEBODY COMING TO RESCUE US.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION, MISS ALASKA, LET, UH, THAT IS A FUNDING AGREEMENT.
MATT LONG-SHORT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC UTILITIES.
UH, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A FUNDING AGREEMENT SENT TO US BY VRA THERE AT DINA AS THE, ESSENTIALLY THE BANK FOR VDH FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, SO, UH, SOME OF THOSE DATES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WILL BE ALIGNED WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.
UH, JUST THE NATURE OF THIS AGREEMENT.
THERE'S A LOT OF STARS TO ALIGN WITH IT.
SO WE WANT MAKE SURE AS FAR AS THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT GO, IT'S, IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WHATNOT, AND THE DATES WILL BE ALIGNED WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, BASICALLY.
WE'RE UM, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE AGREEING WITH THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT AND YOU'LL FILL IN THE DETAILS THAT WILL, THIS DISAGREEMENT GOT ADDED TO THE AGENDA ITEM ACTUALLY ON THE LAST DAY OF YOUR PACKET.
AND SO I THINK IT SIMPLY WAS THERE WASN'T TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THAT WAS DONE BECAUSE IT NEEDED TO BE BEFORE YOU, BUT YES, MA'AM, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE AGREEMENT.
AS LONG AS YOU'RE HERE, SIR, UM, TO THE, UH, MOBILE HOME PARK.
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PROVIDE A PUBLIC WATER CONNECTION TO THE MOBILE HOME PARK, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE REIMBURSED.WE'RE GOING TO BE REIMBURSED FULLY, UH, BY VDH OUT OF POCKET, ANY MONEY FOR THIS, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ACT AS A PASS THROUGH ORGANIZATION FOR THE MONEY.
EXCEPT FOR HIS TIME ENTERING AND MATHS TIME IS OF COURSE THE PRICELESS COMES WITH THE TERRITORY.
CAN, CAN YOU JUST, SINCE YOU'RE GETTING, SINCE YOU'RE HERE, THERE'S THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE APPROPRIATING AND THEN THERE'S A CONTRACT AMOUNT THAT DELTA IS DESIGNED.
THE DELTA IS REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE ENGINEERING FEES AS WAS, UH, CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION AND CONSTRUCTION INSPECTIONS.
THANKS FOR COMING UP AND HELPING US ON THAT ONE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BEFORE US ALL IN FAVOR SOUNDED UNANIMOUS.
NEW BUSINESS ITEM ONE, THE VANITY PROJECT WITH PORT 80.
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THERE WE GO.PAUL DRUM RATE COMMUNITY AFFAIRS MANAGER.
AND, UH, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO STAND BEFORE YOU AND INTRODUCE, UH, OUR CONTRACTOR AND INTRODUCE THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS OUR, UH, 2021 VADI PROJECT FOR THE CROZIER AREA TO GIVE THE BOARD SOME PERSPECTIVE.
WE'VE BEEN ACTUALLY WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW.
SO, UH, BACK, UH, LAST AUGUST WE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO FUND TWO BODY PROJECTS AND THE BODY IS THE VIRGINIA TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE.
AND, UH, SO WE DID ONE FOR THE CROZIER AREA WITH, UH, PORT 80.
WHO'S ONE OF OUR BROADBAND PARTNERS.
WE DID ANOTHER ONE FOR WESTERN GOOCHLAND WITH FIREFLY FIBER BROADBAND, WHO IS ANOTHER ONE OF OUR BROADBAND PARTNERS.
THE COUNTY HAS MULTIPLE BROADBAND PARTNERS, UH, INCLUDING COMCAST AS WELL.
SO UNFORTUNATELY ONLY ONE OF OUR APPLICATIONS WAS SUCCESSFUL.
IT WAS THE PROJECT WITH PORT 80, BUT SINCE WE SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UH, CHANGES WITH THIS PROJECT RELATED TO FEDERAL GRANT, UH, UH, HAVING TO ADJUST OUR PROJECT BASED ON A FEDERAL GRANT THROUGH THE FCC RURAL DIGITAL OPPORTUNITY FUND.
AND SO THIS AFTERNOON, ACTUALLY OUR, UH, PARTNER HERE, UH, PORT 80 INTERNET SERVICES SOLUTION, EVAN WIENER WILL, UM, GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS PROJECT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SET THAT UP FOR YOU THERE, UH, OF HOW IT'S ALL COME ABOUT AND HOW IT'S HAD TO ADJUST TO SOME OF THE AREAS YOU'LL HEAR THAT WERE INCLUDED ORIGINALLY HAD TO GET EXCLUDED.
THE GOOD NEWS IS OUR OTHER PARTNER.
AGAIN, FIREFLY FIBER BROADBAND WAS THE ONE WHO WON THAT FUNDING FOR THOSE AREAS THAT WE HAD TO EXCLUDE FROM THE PORT 80 PROJECT WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO EVAN WIENER AND LET HIM GO THROUGH THE PROJECT.
HE AND I WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THIS.
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MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.UM, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING TIME FOR THIS TODAY AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR GETTING ME OUT OF THE HEAT PERFECT DAY FOR THIS.
UM, SO I THINK YOU ALL KNOW ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES FOR BROADBAND IS DENSITY AND MONEY, RIGHT? WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE IN A RURAL SETTING LIKE THIS, WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETIMES FIVE HOUSES PER MILE, THE COST PER HOME CAN BE EXORBITANT.
THAT'S WHY THE COUNTY HASN'T BEEN, UH, ABLE TO GET BROADBAND IN AS MANY AREAS AS, AS WE WANT AS QUICK AS WE WANT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION.
UM, SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, WE S UM, WE STARTED PROVIDING RESIDENTIAL SERVICE BACK IN 2019, ACTUALLY IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
UM, PORT 80 INTERNET SERVICES IS A PARTNER IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN HOSTED BACKBONE AND ANOTHER LOCAL BUSINESS MMIS.
UM, THEY'RE ON MECHANICSVILLE, WE'RE OUT OF GOOCHLAND, MMIS, UH, BRINGS TO, UH, OUR TEAM, UH, STAFF THAT CAN DO INSIDE WORK, WHERE WE SPECIALIZE IN THE OUTSIDE PLANT WORK.
SO, UM, IT'S A REALLY GOOD BLEND.
UH, WE'D BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR A LONG TIME ON OTHER STUFF, AND, UH, WE HAVE A GREAT, UH, WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND WE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET A LOT DONE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
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ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE IN OLD OAKS, UH, BACK WHEN THE WATERLINE PROJECT WAS GOING ON ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, I STARTED GETTING PAUL'S, UM, UH, TRAFFIC ALERT EMAILS, AND I'M LIKE, WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON? AND THEN I'M LIKE, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, CAN WE DO A JOINT TRENCH ON THIS PROJECT AND THAT WORK OUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, COORDINATE TIMING AND EVERYTHING TO GET IN THERE, GET SERVICE GOING.AND THEN, UM, OVER THE PAST, UH, TWO YEARS SINCE THEN, UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY WORKED OUR WAY WEST OUT, ROUTE SIX, WE PROVIDE SERVICE, UH, AND ALMOST ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS ALONG ROUTE SIX, ALL THE WAY TO MAIDENS ROAD.
UH, WE'VE TALKED TO BASICALLY ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT NEED SERVICE IN THE CROZIER AREA.
AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, A MOMENT AGO, THE COST IS THE BIGGEST BARRIER.
UM, SO THIS, THIS PROJECT WITH FUNDING FROM THE STATE, UH, TO SUPPLEMENT OUR CONTRIBUTION AND THE CANDIDATE AND THE FUNDS THAT THE COUNTY HAS APPROPRIATED, UM, ADDRESSES THAT ISSUE.
SO, UM, OUR NETWORK, IT'S ALL FIBER OPTIC CABLE.
THERE'S NO WIRELESS IN OUR, UH, IN OUR BACKBONE AT ALL.
UM, IT ALLOWS US TO DELIVER A TOP QUALITY SERVICE, UH, AT A COMPETITIVE PRICE AND CONTROL THE VARIABLES WITH DELIVERING THAT SERVICE WHEN YOU'RE DOING WIRELESS, YOU KNOW, FREQUENCY, ALEX, KEISHA, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE OTHER TECHNICAL ISSUES CAN COME UP THAT YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER.
SO, UH, BY BEING ALL FIBER, IT MAY COST A LITTLE MORE ON THE FRONT END, BUT IT ALLOWS US TO, TO DELIVER RELIABLE SERVICE, UH, AND CONTROL ALL THE VARIABLES INVOLVED EXCEPT FOR MOTHER NATURE AND, UH, OUR V DOT PERMITTING PROCESS, WHICH THANKFULLY WE DO HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.
UM, THEY, THEY BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO HELP US OUT AND, UH, KEEPS US GOING DOWN THE ROAD AS QUICK AS WE CAN.
SO THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, UH, WE APPLIED FOR, UH, THIS GRANT, LIKE PAUL SAID IN LATE 2020, UM, DUE TO THE ART OFF AUCTION.
AND, UH, ART OFF IS A RURAL DIGITAL OPPORTUNITY FUND.
IT WAS, I THINK, WHAT $35 BILLION, SOME LIKE THAT, SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE FCC, UH, AWARDED TO PROVIDERS LAST YEAR, WE LOOKED AT GETTING INTO THE AUCTION.
WE ACTUALLY APPLIED TO GET IN THE ECONOMICS JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR US.
YOU KNOW, THE FCC WAS BASICALLY PAYING YOU, UM, A LUMP SUM SPREAD OUT OVER 10 YEARS PER PASSING AND THE COST PER PASSING THAT THEY HAD EVEN BEFORE THE AUCTION STARTED WAS JUST TOO LOW TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO DO THAT DEPLOYMENT.
UM, OUR NETWORK IS ALL UNDERGROUND COST, A LITTLE MORE, UH, THAN GOING OVERHEAD, BUT IT'S MORE RELIABLE.
SO WE DECIDED TO BOW OUT OF THAT AUCTION.
AND, UH, WE, WE THEN WORK TO RE-SCOPE OUR APPLICATION, OUR BODY APPLICATION, BECAUSE, UH, ACCORDING TO THEIR RULES AREAS THAT RECEIVED FCC ART OFF FUNDING COULD NOT BE ALSO FUNDED BY THE STATE.
THAT BEING SAID, IF FOR SOME REASON, UM, AN ART OFF AWARDEE RECEIVES OR BACKS OUT OF THEIR FUNDING AND NOT, NOT SAYING FIREFLY AND OIL, ALSO, THE FCC WILL THEN STILL, I'M SORRY, VADI.
A LOT OF ACRONYMS IN HERE, SORRY.
UH, VADI WILL STILL AWARD US THOSE FUNDS.
SO IF, UM, LET'S SAY STARLINK, I THINK THEY WERE AWARDED SOME FUNDS UP IN OILVILLE, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY A PART OF THE APPLICATION FOR US.
IF THEY, FOR SOME REASON SAY, HEY, WE CAN'T DO THIS.
THEN BODY WILL GIVE US THOSE FUNDS AND WE'LL BUILD UP THAT AREA STILL.
UM, THAT'S BEEN THE COMMITMENT THAT THEY DID MAKE TO US.
UM, THIS WAS BACK IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR WHEN WE WORKED ON RE SCOPING IT, UH, WE HEARD ABOUT THE AWARD ON, UH, MARCH 19TH OF THIS YEAR, UM, FROM THE STATE.
AND SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATION PROCESS BETWEEN US AND THE COUNTY.
AND NOW THE COUNTY IS WORKING WITH THE STATE TO FINISH UP THAT CONTRACT.
UM, AND ALL THE, UH, DETAILS THAT COME ALONG WITH IT.
WE DO HAVE FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO RIDE DOWN ROUTE SIX, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN, UH, ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, A LOT OF MATERIALS SITTING THERE READY TO GO.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRIMED AND READY TO JUST AS SOON AS WE GET, UH, GET THE GREEN LIGHT FROM, FROM EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
SO, UH, THERE ARE SOME AREAS, UM, THAT WE HAD TO SCOPE OUT OF THE PROJECT DUE TO ART OFF WE'RE PA IF WE'RE PASSING A CITIZEN, WE'RE GOING TO SERVE THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, GETTING INTO THE MAPS, WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THE MOMENT.
UM, THIS IS WHERE WE STARTED ON INITIALLY.
UH, WE BASICALLY HAD A STRAWBERRY RUN AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT TOUCHED CARDWELL ROAD, UM, EVERYTHING SOUTH OF ROUTE SIX, UM, AND EAST ON ROUTE SIX DOWN TOWARDS MILLER'S LANE.
AND THEN WE HAD A SECTION OF AN OIL BILL, UM, AND WORKING WITH LOUISA AND HANOVER.
WE IDENTIFIED A FEW PASSINGS THAT WERE ON THAT, THAT, THAT WERE IN THEIR COUNTIES, BUT THAT WE WERE GOING TO PASS.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE STARTED OUT INITIALLY.
UH, THE SHADED AREAS, THE HATCHED AREAS, UH, ARE AREAS WHERE THERE WERE
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ART OFF AWARDS MADE.YOU MIGHT BE ASKING WHY LET'S SAY COVINGTON, WHICH IS ON THE BOTTOM SECTION NORTH OF STRAWBERRY RUN, UM, WAS NOT AWARDED ART OFF FUND.
SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WITH THE FCC IS THAT THEY'RE WAY BEHIND THE TIME.
SO THEY'RE USING MAPPING DATA.
UM, COMCAST ACTUALLY SAYS THAT THEY PROVIDE SERVICE IN COVINGTON, WHICH THEY DON'T, UH, BUT VADI IS, UH, BASED ON REAL-WORLD ON THE, ON THE GROUND CONDITIONS.
SO THAT'S HOW WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE FUNDING FOR COVINGTON, AMONGST SOME OTHER AREAS, UH, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE REPORTED AS BEING SERVED, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY EMBODY RECOGNIZES THAT AND ALLOWS FOR PROVIDERS LIKE US TO, UH, SEEK FUNDING, TO HELP MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS, UH, HAPPEN FOR CUSTOMERS.
SO, UM, TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC, UM, WITHOUT GOING INTO EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL ROAD, UH, WE'RE BASICALLY GOING TO HEAD NORTH ON CAR, WELL FROM ROUTE SIX WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'LL GO DOWN TO TAYLOR ROAD INTO COVINGTON, JANITOR ROAD, PARTS OF SHALLOW WELL ROAD AND ALSO STRAWBERRY RUN.
UH, THE TOTAL COST OF THE PRODUCT IS ABOUT $915,000.
UH, OF WHICH ABOUT 500 6570 COMES FROM THE STATE.
AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WAS, UH, MATCHED BY THE COUNTY.
AND THEY WERE PUTTING IN ALMOST A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS, UM, INTO THE PROJECT.
THERE WAS ALMOST 19 MILES OF NEW BACKBONE, WHICH IS THE FIBER RUNNING DOWN THE ROAD.
AND NEARLY 13, NEARLY 13 MILES OF CONNECTIONS THAT ARE FUNDED IN THIS PROJECT FROM THE ROAD TO THE CUSTOMER'S HOUSE, WE CALL IT THE DROP.
UM, AND THERE'S 228 PASSINGS AS OF WHEN WE DID THESE MAPS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, I SUSPECT THAT, UM, I SUSPECT THAT PASSING COUNT IS HIGHER AND THAT ALSO DOES NOT INCLUDE HOMES THAT ARE SCOPED OUT OF THE PROJECT AREA.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IF YOUR, ON THE, UH, HERE'S A POINTER ON THAT THING, THERE WE GO.
SO IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IN THE SOUTHERN, YOU KNOW, SOUTHERN, UH, AND OF, OF A CAR, WELL ROAD, WE'RE PASSING YOU, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY BETWEEN, BETWEEN, UH, THROUGH ROUTE SIX, I THINK THIS IS LINLEY LANE RIGHT UP HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO STILL PASS YOU AND WE'LL STILL PROVIDE YOUR SERVICE.
UH, BUT YOU'RE NOT COUNTED IN THIS 228 PASSINGS BECAUSE THE STATE IS NOT CHIPPING IN FUNDING FOR YOU, SO THAT THE PASSING COUNT AND THE NUMBER OF CITIZENS THAT WILL BE POSITIVELY IMPACTED BY THIS IS ACTUALLY HIGHER THEN THAN WHAT THE GRANT WAS WRITTEN FOR.
SO, YEAH, IT DOES MAKE SENSE THEN I GUESS QUESTION IS WHERE'S THE FUNDING COMING FOR THAT DRAFT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO COVER THE SAME.
UM, AND WE'LL GET INTO THIS IN A MOMENT, A LITTLE BIT MORE, WE'LL COVER THE SAME 350 FEET FROM THE ROAD.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A COST PER FOOT FOR HOMES THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEYOND THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST BECAUSE WE, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, BUREAUCRATICS GET IN THE WAY OF SOMEONE GETTING WHAT THEY NEED.
I THINK OVER THE PAST, UH, OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, IF ANYONE LEARNED ANYTHING, IT'S THAT INTERNET IS NOT A LUXURY ANYMORE.
UM, YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE IT.
SO, UM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THAT STAND IN THE WAY THAT THE STATE IS TAKEN CARE OF THE COST TO GET UP THE ROAD, UH, FOR THE BACKBONE COST, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET FROM OUR EXISTING PLANT TO THE NEW PLANT, BUT THEY WILL NOT COVER THE COST TO CUT THAT, YOU KNOW, TO SPLICE THAT CUSTOMER INTO OUR NETWORK AND THEN GET FROM THE ROAD TO THE CUSTOMER.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AS IF THEY ARE IN THE PROJECT AREA UP TO 350 FEET UP TO 350 FEET.
AND THAT'S THE SAME FOR SOMEONE THAT'S THAT, THAT IS IN THE PROJECT AREA.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UM, WE'RE NOT CREATING TWO DIFFERENT, UM, AREAS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
SO, SO THIS IS THE FINAL MAP RIGHT HERE.
UH, BASICALLY IT'S ALL A STRAWBERRY RUN, LIKE I SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, SOUTHERN INDYCAR, WELL, UM, THE CARBO ROAD IS NOT A FISHING IN THE PROJECT AREA, BUT IF WE'RE PASSING, YOU WILL SERVE YOU.
IF SOMEONE IS ON A OSI ROAD, UH, THERE KNOW W WE'LL WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON THAT ROAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THE ECONOMICS WORK.
UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF THERE ARE MORE THAN 350 FEET FROM THE ROAD MAY BE BETTER TO LOOK AT PUTTING A BACKBONE IN OFF THE ROAD.
LONG STORY SHORT IS THAT THIS IS NOT A COOKIE CUTTER APPROACH.
UM, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO GET SERVICE TO ANYONE THAT'S NOT OFFICIALLY PART OF THE GRANT WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO DO.
UH, SO OUR PROCESS, AS SOON AS STATE GIVES US THE GREEN LIGHT, WE'LL START PUTTING IN BACKBONE, FIBER, UM, AS THAT COMPLETES AND SECTIONS IN EACH AREA ARE TEXTS.
WE'LL, WE'LL REACH OUT TO CITIZENS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THAT WANTS SERVICE.
AND THEN WE ACTUALLY COME OUT AND DO WHAT WE CALL A PRE-INSTALLATION SURVEY.
WE DON'T WANT TO JUST BURY FIBER.
IF YOU SAY, HEY, I WANT SERVICE.
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WANT TO JUST BURY FIBER FROM THE ROAD TO YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE WHERE WE BURY IT TO, YOU KNOW, UP TO AT YOUR HOUSE MAY NOT BE WHERE YOU NEED SERVICE IN YOUR HOME.SO, UH, WE COULD BURY IT TO THE, UH, BACK OF YOUR HOUSE WHEN YOU NEED IT ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
SO WE WOULD RATHER PUT THE TIME IN, ON THE FRONT END TO GO LOOK AND MEET WITH THE HOMEOWNER, MEET WITH THE CITIZEN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THEM, THE BEST ENTRANCE LOCATION FOR THEM AFTER THAT, UM, CREWS WILL COME OUT AND BURY THE FIBER FROM THE ROAD TO THE HOME.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL SPLICE IT IN AND WE'LL REACH BACK OUT TO THE CITIZEN AND SCHEDULE TO ACTUALLY COME AND INSTALL THE SERVICE IN THEIR HOME.
SO SLIGHTLY LONGER PROCESS, BUT WE FOUND THAT IT WORKS A LOT BETTER.
UM, IT PROVIDES A BETTER END RESULT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, A MOMENT AGO, BEING AT THE WRONG PLACE IN THEIR HOME, UH, FOR WHERE THEY WANT SERVICE.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE SETTLED ON OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WORKS WELL.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR FOLKS THAT WANT SERVICE, UH, THEY CAN VISIT OUR WEBSITE TO SIGN UP FOR SERVICE.
UH, WE DO ALSO, UH, OBVIOUSLY TAKE PHONE CALLS.
SO FOLKS CAN CALL IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAD.
I'M, I'M NOT, UH, NOT REALLY BIG ON, UH, PRESENTATION STUFF.
SO, UH, I JUST FORGOT TO GIVE YOU ALL THE HIGHLIGHTS AND THEN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE, UM, ABOUT THE PROJECT OR A PROCESS OR WHATEVER.
THANK YOU, MR. WIENER, BOARD MEMBERS.
WE'RE QUITE EXCITED TO START GETTING SOME INTERNET HERE TO OUR CITIZENS.
I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE EXCITED AS WELL.
UM, WHEN YOU CALL A MISS UTILITY SERVICE FOR YOUR TRENCH IN THAT IS THAT COUNTY STAFF.
SO, SO ARE YOU REFERRING TO WHEN W WHEN, WHEN WE CALL AND PUT IN A TICKET WHEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT A TRENCH, SO NO COUNTY STAFF DOES NOT LET, LET ME BE VERY, IT'S PROBABLY A SLIGHTLY MORE TECHNICAL ANSWER THAN YOU WANT.
UH, I THINK MATT WOULD SAY THE EXACT SAME THING.
UH, SO, UH, YOU, THE SAME WAY THE COUNTY IS AN OPERATOR WITH, UH, WITH VIRGINIA UTILITY PROTECTION SERVICE OR UNDERGROUND UTILITY, WHATEVER IS VPS, RIGHT.
SO, UH, WE'RE ALSO AN EXCAVATOR.
UM, I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY DOES MUCH DOES MUCH OF THEIR OWN EXCAVATION.
WE DO EXCAVATION ON OUR OWN AS WELL, SO, OKAY.
SO WHEN WE'RE, WHEN, WHEN WE PUT IN A TICKET AS AN EXCAVATOR, THAT GETS SENT TO ALL THE OPERATORS IN THE, IN THE EFFECTED AREA.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN, WHEN WE BUILT, UH, WHEN WE DID OUR EXTENSION FROM, UM, FROM RIVER CLIFF SUBDIVISION DOWN TO THE, UH, 9 1, 1 CENTER LAST FALL, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT Y'ALL APPROPRIATED FOR US THAT ARE AUTHORIZED.
UM, WE WERE ON TOP OF COUNTY WATER IN SOME SECTIONS AND COUNTY SEWER.
SO MATT STAFF WAS COMING OUT AND LOCATING COUNTY UTILITIES.
NOW THAT BEING SAID, IF A CONTRACTOR WORKING FOR THE COUNTY GOES AND PUTS IN A TICKET, AND WE'RE IN THAT AREA, WE'RE GOING TO OUR, OUR STAFF WILL COME OUT AND LOCATE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THE SAME WAY THAT THE COUNTY LOCATES THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OTHER CONTRACTORS THAT DOES THAT.
I'M JUST THINKING OF THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET OFF OF THE ROAD OR WHATEVER.
IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW FAR THEY OFFER REALLY, FRANKLY.
UM, AND THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, WHAT TRENCH TO THE HOUSE WHO IS HANDLING.
SO, SO, SO WE, SO WE HANDLE BY, BY LAW, THE EXCAVATOR IS THE PARTY THAT HAS TO PUT THE TICKET IN, UM, NOT THE HOMEOWNER.
SO WE TAKE CARE OF PUTTING THAT TICKET IN WITH MISS UTILITY, UH, FOR OUR CREWS TO DIG.
SO NOW, NOW THAT BEING SAID, THE ONLY THING THAT GETS MARKED WHEN THAT TICKET GETS PUT IN, UM, OUR PUBLIC UTILITIES, NOT, NOT, NOT RIGHT.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE GO OVER WITH THE HOMEOWNERS WHEN WE MEET WITH THEM, THIS IS PART OF WHY WE GO IN AND MEET WITH THEM BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WON'T GET MARKED WILL BE THEIR SATELLITE FEED OR, UH, THEIR GAS LINE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW? SO, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE SURE TO POINT THAT OUT TO THEM, SO THAT THAT WOULD BE ON THEM, BUT ANYTHING THAT'S PUBLIC UTILITY, WE TAKE CARE OF GETTING THAT MARKED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, UM, TO PREVENT DAMAGE, UH, AND NOT HAVE TO REPAIR IT.
THEY MIGHT NOT MIND YOU CUTTING THE SATELLITE, BUT, UM, YEAH, TOMMY WISE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING TO BE INSTALLED ON THE SAME DAY.
THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T CARE, BUT, YOU KNOW, TOMMY WISE, YEAH.
SO HAVE YOU BEGUN NOTIFYING THE, THE EFFECTED PROPERTY? UM, PAUL AND I HAD TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT THIS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE OBVIOUSLY WANTED TO PRESENT TO Y'ALL, UM, IS THIS IS THE FIRST REAL BIG PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE PROJECT, UM, AND NOT KNOWING HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO BE UNTIL THE STATE.
SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO START SENDING OUT NOTIFICATIONS AS SOON AS IT'S APPROPRIATE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO HOMEOWNERS, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMETHING OUT,
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UM, TODAY, IF YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO SPECULATE.SO, SO IS THERE A WAY FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO DETERMINE IF THEY ARE IN THIS COVERAGE AREA SPECIFICALLY BY PARCEL NUMBER OR ADDRESS WE'RE WORKING FURTHER ON THAT, BUT WE HAVE THAT MAP.
WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THAT MAP UP, UM, BIGGER VERSION OF THAT MAP UP ON THE WEBSITE, WHERE YOU'D BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHERE, WHERE IT FALLS WITH, WHERE YOU MAY BE ON THAT MAP.
AND THEN AGAIN, WE'D BE ABLE TO CONTACT PORT 80 AT EITHER THEIR GO TO THEIR WEBSITE OR THEIR PHONE NUMBER, UM, TO TOUCH ON.
SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THE STATE TAKING TOO MUCH LONGER, UM, TO COMPLETE IT IN YOUR MOUTH RIGHT HERE.
UH, BUT SO ANTICIPATE THIS MONTH, BEING ABLE TO GET ACTUALLY STARTED ON CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO THEN WE'LL HAVE UPDATES AS WE'RE MOVING ALONG, AND AS THEY'RE EXTENDING FIBER, WE HAVE A TIMEFRAME THAT WE ARE LAYING OUT, RIGHT.
AND WE'RE MAKING SURE IT'D BE VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH THAT TIMEFRAME, UM, BECAUSE THAT TIES INTO ALL OUR REPORTING AND TO THE FUNDING THAT WE GET BACK THE REFUNDING OF THE, FROM THE STATE GRANT.
BUT THE VANDY GRAD DOES HAVE A TIMELINE WITH IT, AS WELL AS THOSE AS 18 MONTHS.
IT HAS 18 MONTHS FROM THE MOMENT WE SIGNED THE CONTRACT.
AND THAT'S WHEN THE CLOCK STARTS TICKING.
AND WE HAVEN'T SIGNED THAT CONTRACT YET.
OR IS IT MONEY IN THAT? YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS WITH THE CONTRACT AND THE MONEY.
SO THE CONTRACT IS A REIMBURSABLE, SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO EXPEND MONEY AND WE THEN FILE FOR RE REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE STATE.
WE CAN SPEND ALL OUR LOCAL AND PORT EIGHTIES MONEY FIRST, OR IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR THE STATE MONEY, WE HAVE TO DO IT EQUALLY.
SO WE CAN'T TAKE ALL THE STATE MONEY FIRST AND THEN DO OUR MONEY.
WE EITHER DO OUR MONEY FIRST, OR WE DO IT ALL EQUALLY.
UH, THE STATE DOESN'T WANT US TAPPING ALL THEIR MONEY AND THEN DISAPPEARING OUT OF THE, YOU KNOW, SO HENCE THE NEED FOR CONTRACTS.
AND FROM OUR STANDPOINT, I MEAN, WE HAVE MORE IN MATERIAL STAGE RIGHT NOW, THEN EVEN OUR CONTRIBUTION, UH, TO THE, UH, TO THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY RAPIDLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK PRETTY RAPIDLY WE WILL, UH, CHEW THROUGH OUR CONTRIBUTION AND THE COUNTY'S CONTRIBUTION, UM, AND THEN BE SEEKING THAT, REIMBURSEMENT THOSE REIMBURSEMENTS FROM THE STATE.
AND, AND, BUT IF YOU CAN'T GET, IF YOU HAVE TO RELY ON REIMBURSEMENTS, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET YOUR CASH FLOW FROM ONCE YOU'VE GOTTEN REIMBURSED FOR THE PORT 80 AND THE COUNTY MONEY.
SO, SO WE WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND TAKEN CARE OF THAT WITH THE, UH, RESOLUTION THAT THE BOARD DID PASSED, UH, BACK IN MAY THAT AUTHORIZED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AT THE TIME TO SIGN ANY AS WELL AS APPROPRIATION OF THE FUNDS NEEDED FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD BE REIMBURSABLE FUNDS.
SO IMMEDIATELY, AS SOON AS THEY COME IN, THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK OUT THE DOOR TO PORT DAVEY.
SO, SO ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR MATCH.
AND, AND SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE BASICALLY JUST RICH.
SO THAT TAKES ME BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
WE, WHEN IS THE, WHEN IS THE STATE ON THE HOOK FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT AFTER ONCE WE SIGNED THE CONTRACT WITH THEM? OKAY.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND I KNOW YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS SOMEWHERE, UM, BUT WHAT IS THE COST OF THE SURFACE? SO, UM, YEAH, SO WE, YEAH, THERE THERE'S A MONTHLY COST.
UM, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT SPEED PACKAGES, UH, RANGING FROM $80 A MONTH TO $170 A MONTH, UM, FROM A A HUNDRED MEGABIT TO GIGABIT SPEED.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY TO BE, WE TRY TO BE, UM, COMPARABLE TO THE COST OF A TYPICAL SERVICE IN TOWN WHEN YOU'RE OUT OF CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE W W W WE DON'T DO THE PROMOTIONS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE WHERE, WHERE, YEAH.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST MAKE IT EASY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST TRY TO TRY TO BE COMPARABLE TO THOSE COSTS, BUT NO EQUIPMENT COSTS NO THAN COSTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, AND, AND, AND NOT TO GO TOO FAR INTO DETAILS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, BUT WE DO NOT PROVIDE A WIRELESS ROUTER TO CUSTOMERS BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S WIFI NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT.
UM, WE DO HAVE ROUTERS THAT WE CAN SELL TO CUSTOMERS IF THEY WANT TO, UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, OR THEY CAN PROVIDE THEIR OWN.
SO THAT MAY BE THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY COST TO A CUSTOMER, UH, FOR THEIR INSIDE EQUIPMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE TH THERE THERE'S NO GOOD COOKIE CUTTER SOLUTION FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I WOULD JUST TO ADD? ONE THING
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I KNOW PORT 80 IN EVAN MENTIONED THAT THEY ARE, AS THEY GO THROUGH, IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE GRANT, THAT THEY WILL STILL HOOK YOU UP, WOULD ALSO SAY THAT, UH, THAT AREA IS INCLUDED IN THE AREA THAT WE'VE WORKED ON THE MOU WITH FIREFLY IN DOMINION, IN RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE.AND SO THAT AREA IS ALSO BEING LOOKED AT FOR BROADBAND THERE.
SO AS THE BOARD MAY HAVE SEEN, WE PUT OUT A PRESS RELEASE LAST WEEK ABOUT THAT, AND ABOUT FINALIZING UP THAT PLAN THAT FIREFLY IS WORKING ON.
AND SO THAT AREA, AS WELL AS THE UNSERVED AREA IN THE WEST THAT DID NOT GET THAT GRANT WITH FIREFLY, IT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THAT MOU AREA THAT WE'RE TARGETING.
SO IF W W THEY'RE HAPPY TO SIGN UP WITH FOUR 80 AS THEY COME THROUGH, BUT WE'RE ALSO STILL WORKING ON THAT OTHER SOLUTION WITH FIREFLY TO SERVE THOSE CUSTOMERS WHO GOT LEFT OUT OF THIS GRANT OPPORTUNITY.
IT'S A LOT TO KEEP TRACK OF, BUT THANK YOU.
UM, JUST TO COMMENT IF YOU WOULD CHAIRMAN, SO MR. RENA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WANTED TO JUST, UH, STATE PUBLICLY.
YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ON HER PAUL, SEVERAL TIMES, MY INITIALS IN MEETINGS ON THE BOARD OF WE NEED PARTNERS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE PARTNERS SO CRITICAL TO THIS HAVING GOOD PARTNERS.
SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING A CHANCE ON THE COUNTY, ONE OF OUR FIRST PROJECTS, BUT, UH, UM, OUR GOAL IS TO ALSO BE A GOOD PARTNER.
WE KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO BE, SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE BROUGHT UP THE STATE AND THE APPROVALS, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO ON OUR SIDE TO HELP WITH THAT, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD LET US KNOW.
AND I'M SURE YOU WOULDN'T POTTER CONSTANTLY IN CONVERSATIONS, BUT WE, UH, I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THAT PARTNERSHIP AND LOOK FORWARD TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO LIGHT UP MORE OF OUR CUSTOMERS.
AND, YOU KNOW, MR. SPOON, HOW ARE YOU? AND I SPOKEN ABOUT THIS DIRECTLY AS WELL, BUT JUST TO REITERATE, WE ARE A PARTNERSHIP BASED ORGANIZATION.
YOU KNOW, UM, WE, ASIDE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF COMMERCIAL GOVERNMENT EDUCATIONAL, UM, SERVICES AS WELL.
UM, WE WOULD NOT BE WHERE WE ARE WITHOUT PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE DEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS.
UM, EVERYTHING WE'D DONE IS ALL WORD OF MOUTH.
UH, AND WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THAT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE POLICY AND RIGHT HERE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I MIGHT TALK TO HIM, UH, AND HE HAS VOICE MIGHT BE THE LAST ONE I HEAR BEFORE I GO TO BED, WHICH IS KIND OF SCARY, BUT, YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE'S, UH, HE'S GREAT TO WORK WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE COUNTY SIDE, YOU KNOW, RANDY HAS BEEN A HUGE HELP, UH, JOHN WORLEY WITH ALL THE MAPPING, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THESE HUGE TEAMS TO, UH, TO GENERATE, YOU KNOW, NICE, YOU KNOW, NICE, PRETTY MAPS, BUT WE HAVE THESE PARTNERS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT HELP SUPPORT US.
AND, UH, WE, WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO PUT THAT BACK IN, UM, YOU KNOW, BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY.
SO YOU, UM, YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING, EUROPE, PORT 80 IS A PARTNERSHIP OR IT'S AN LLC, BUT RIGHT.
MICHAEL IS MOUTHFUL, NICK MICHAEL AND MCMICHAEL INVESTIGATION SERVICES.
THEY'RE, UM, A VERY REPUTABLE, UH, LOW VOLTAGE CONTRACTOR IN TOWN.
THEY DO A LOT OF, UM, AUTOMATION, UM, AND INSIDE WIRING, UM, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AND, UH, UH, WE ACTUALLY FIRST MET THEM BACK THROUGH ANOTHER WIRELESS INTERNET PROVIDER, UH, MANY YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, THE OWNER AND I, UH, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER AFTER THAT, DIDN'T SO WELL WORKED OUT FOR THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE BECAME FRIENDS AND WE ONE DAY, A COUPLE YEARS, THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, LET'S, LET'S GET, LET'S START DOING RESIDENTIAL STUFF TOO.
AND, UH, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A REALLY GOOD BLEND.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE NOT SO MUCH OF A INSIDE RESIDENTIAL COMPANY.
UM, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, 15, 16 TECHS ON THE ROAD ALL DAY LONG.
UM, WE COULD PUT SOMEONE IN A CUSTOMER'S HOME IF WE NEED TO IN A FEW HOURS, UH, TO TAKE CARE OF AN ISSUE AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THE INSTALLATION INSIDE.
UM, SO, SO, AND THAT WAS LOOKING FOR IT BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT NAME, BUT DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER PARTNER? YEP.
JUST HO HOSTED BACKBONE IN MMIS TOGETHER.
DOES THAT HOST, IS THAT A HOSTING COMPANY? NO.
WELL, SO, UH, HOSTED BACKBONE IS A FIBER INTERNET COMPANY, UM, AND, UH, OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED SERVICES, WE'RE ACTUALLY ABOUT TO BECOME THE COUNTY'S INTERNET PROVIDER.
ALSO, WE PROVIDE INTERNET TO THE SCHOOLS, UM, NUMBER OF OTHER GOVERNMENT, UM, AND A LARGE ENTERPRISE CUSTOMERS.
SO WE BASICALLY TWO YEARS AGO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE SAW THE OLD OAKS BORE WATER PROJECT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE REALIZED WE HAD UNDERGROUND ASSETS IN PLACE ALREADY THAT WE COULD LEVERAGE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AS WELL.
BUT WHAT WE DIDN'T HAVE WAS, UM, THE INSIDE, YOU COULD, WHAT YOU DO INSIDE OF THE CUSTOMER.
SO IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU DO INSIDE.
LET'S SAY FOR INTERNET SERVICE HERE
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AT THE, AT THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, RIGHT.SO WE REALIZED THAT WE DID NOT HAVE, UH, THE HUMAN CAPITAL TO TAKE CARE OF THE INSIDE OF A CUSTOMER'S HOME, THE WAY WE COULD TAKE CARE OF THE INSIDE OF A COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHY THE TWO OF US CAME TOGETHER FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UM, IT ALLOWS US TO LEVERAGE OUR BACKBONE, UM, AND, UM, AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAPABILITIES FROM AN INTERNET SIDE, YOU KNOW, FROM A SERVICE PROVIDER STANDPOINT, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, FILL IN THAT VOID WITH, WITH THE INSIDE, UM, CUSTOMER'S HOME SIDE OF IT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY HELPFUL INFORMATION.
AND I THINK ALL OF US WOULD ECHO MR. SPOON HOURS, EXPRESSIONS OF THANK YOU FOR PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY, AND WE WON'T GO ANYWHERE AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GO ANYWHERE RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, I THINK Y'ALL KNOW I'M A COUNTY RESIDENT.
I'VE STOOD HERE TALKING ABOUT ROADS AND A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PROBABLY SHALL REMAIN ON NAME BECAUSE IT'S A SORE SUBJECT, YOU KNOW? UH IT'S, LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING'S ALL ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE.
WE DID SIMILAR PROJECT IN PALATAN WITH CARES FUNDING LAST YEAR.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE DOING THIS.
AND, UH, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WELL-SUITED FOR THIS.
AND PAUL, I THINK WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD.
MS. LAST NIGHT WAS KIND OF TOUCHING ON THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS, IS IDENTIFYING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
CAUSE MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE RESOURCES FOR MAPS AND WHAT NOT, BUT I STARTED THINKING WHEN YOU SAID THAT START THINKING DATA IN TERMS OF, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT, YOU SAID YOU'RE GREATER THAN 228.
YOU'D BE, IF I WERE IN YOUR SHOES, I'D BE LIKE, HOW MUCH GREATER THAN 220.
SO, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE ALL THAT DATA NOW AT THIS POINT, UM, OUR OFFICE HAS IT.
SO IF SOMEONE, IF SOMEONE IN COVINGTON CALL TODAY, YOU OFTEN SAY, YES, YOU'RE PART OF THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, OR NO, YOU'RE NOT PART OF IT, BUT LET'S TAKE YOUR INFORMATION AND WE'LL SEE WHAT YOU DO.
SO, SO YOU YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT LEFT JUST LIKE I'LL HAVE TO CALL YOU OUT.
THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT.
NO, I WOULD, I'D JUST, UH, ECHO, UH, THAT, UH, I WAS, I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT, UH, THAT GOT IT, HIS SERVICE, UH, AND WE'VE HAD IT FOR TWO YEARS AND I'VE HAD, UH, TWO MAJOR NATIONAL COMPANIES, UH, FOR INTERNET SERVICE IN MY LIFE.
AND I'VE HAD A MAJOR, UH, WIFI COMPANY.
AND, UM, IN TWO YEARS WE'VE BEEN DOWN ONCE FOR 15 MINUTES AND ANOTHER TIME THEY SAID FOR 45 AND WE'RE BACK ON IN 20.
SO, UM, I HAVEN'T HAD THAT KIND OF SERVICE FROM THE BIG NATIONAL COMPANIES AND, UH, THE SPEEDS ARE EXCELLENT.
SO THE SERVICE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS EXEMPLARY AND, UH, THEY EVEN CLEANED UP AFTER THEY INSTALLED INSIDE.
UM, NEXT IS WE HAVE A COUPLE OF AGENCY PRESENTATIONS I HAVE, UM, IN THE ORDER OF OUR COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY FIRST AND THEN RYAN MULLIGAN, BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO ARM WRESTLE OVER
[2. Agency Presentations: Commonwealth's Attorney & Registrar]
THE ORDER OF PRESENTATION.GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. LUMPKINS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IS MCGEE MS.
I AM THE GOOCH SLIM COUNTY COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY, AND I WAS TOLD NO MORE THAN 10 SLIDES AND 10 MINUTES.
UM, COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY ATTORNEYS, ONE OF FIVE LOCALLY ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT IS SET OUT IN THE CONSTITUTION OF VIRGINIA, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CIRCUIT COURT CLERK, WE ARE, UH, RUN FOR ELECTION EVERY FOUR YEARS.
SO WHO ARE YOU, WHO WE ARE? UM, WE HAVE IN THE OFFICE OF VICTIM WITNESS COORDINATOR AND ASSISTANT VICTIM WITNESS COORDINATOR, AND DISTRICT COURT SPECIALIST LEGAL ASSISTANT AND CIRCUIT COURT SPECIALIST, WHICH IS CURRENTLY VACANT ASSISTANT COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY BY THE GRACE OF THE BOARD, UH, IS VACANT NOW, BUT IT IS SOMEBODY THAT WE ARE HIRING FOR ONE DEPUTY COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY AND ONE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY.
SO WHAT WE DO, UM, LONG, THE SHORT OF IT IS WE ARE CHARGED WITH PROSECUTING FELONIES AND CLASS ONE, TWO, AND THREE MISDEMEANORS AND HANDLING CIVIL FORFEITURES.
UM, FOR ASSET FORFEITURE, WE PREPARE BRIEFS AND OPPOSITIONS PETITIONS FOR APPEAL, THE COURT OF APPEALS AND SUPREME COURT, AND
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PROVIDE ADVICE TO STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO INVESTIGATION AND PROSECUTION OF CRIMES AND OFFENSES, PRESENT WITNESSES TO SPECIAL.AND MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL GRAND JURIES, UH, WHERE THERE'S CONTINUING CRIMINAL CONDUCT.
AND AGAIN, REPRESENT THE COMMONWEALTH IN CIVIL ASSET FORFEITURE PROCEEDINGS, AND ARE OFTEN APPOINTED AS SPECIAL PROSECUTORS AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHO NEED HELP WITH CASES.
SO HERE'S AN INTERESTING THING.
WE ARE CONSERVATIVES OF THE PIECE AND HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ARREST WITHOUT A WARRANT AND CAN CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON, UH, WHEREVER WE MAY TRAVEL IN THE COMMONWEALTH, INCLUDING A COURTROOM WHILE ON OFFICIAL DUTY, BUT GIVEN OUR PUREST DEPARTMENT THAT IS RARE.
SO THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION LISTS THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF A PROSECUTOR.
AS IN NOW, I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION SAYS, BUT SKIPPING DOWN TO SEE THE DUTY OF THE PROSECUTOR IS TO SEEK JUSTICE, NOT MERELY TO CONVICT.
AND WHEN YOUR JOB TO SCRIPT THAT JOB DESCRIPTION IS ESSENTIALLY THREE WORDS TO SEEK JUSTICE.
THAT IS A HEAVY RESPONSIBILITY.
AND IT'S ONE THAT WE TAKE SERIOUSLY.
WE ARE AN OFFICE THAT IS INTENSE AND DEMANDING, BUT IT'S WHAT I WOULD WANT FROM MY ATTORNEY.
IF I WAS A VICTIM OF A CRIME OR A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY, WE ARE AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT OFFICE.
WE INVITE PEOPLE TO COME AND SEE WHAT WE DO STAY FOR A WHILE.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, ASK, COME TO COURT, WE GLAD TO HAVE YOU SIT, UH, DISTRICT COURT, JUVENILE COURT AND CIRCUIT COURT AND SEE WHAT WE DO.
UM, AND IF ANYBODY EVER HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GIVE US A CALL, COME BY.
AND YOU'D BE SURPRISED AS TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO JUST COME BY AND WHAT I WANT TO CHAT, UH, BRING IN THEIR DEEDS AND DIVORCE PAPERS WHILE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THOSE, WE NEVER TURN ANYBODY AWAY.
WE'LL TRY TO POINT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
YOU PROBABLY CAN'T DO THAT IN A LARGER DURESS JURISDICTION, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN GOOCHLAND.
UM, AGAIN, I HERE, I'M HERE TO REPRESENT YOU AND THE PEOPLE, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW.
I WASN'T KEEPING TRACK OF THE TIME, BUT I THINK YOU CAME IN, SHE, SHE TOLD ME TO KEEP IT UNDER 10, SO THAT'S WHAT I DO, BUT THAT'S THANK YOU.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS OR, OKAY, WELL THANK YOU ALL.
AND DO YOU HAVE M THIS IS NOT TO RESOLVE NOW, BUT WITH YOU, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE MEETING.
AND ONE OF MY THOUGHTS AS WE GO INTO THIS NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION HAS BEEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS BOARD INVITES THE PARTICIPATION OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS TO, TO WEIGH IN.
IF THERE'S THINGS YOU KNOW, THAT YOU ALL HAVE IN DISTRICT LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.
SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.
I KNOW YOU HAVE OTHER PATHS TO, YOU KNOW, WITH THE STATEWIDE ASSOCIATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IF THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN BRING TO OUR LEGISLATIVE ATTEND LEGISLATURE'S ATTENTION, I WOULD INVITE YOU TO LET US KNOW AND PARTICIPATE.
HOWEVER YOU'RE FEELING IS APPROPRIATE AND OUR EFFORTS TO TALK TO OUR LEGISLATORS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S PUZZLED ME ABOUT YOUR OFFICE OVER THE YEARS IS YOU HAVE TO PREPARE PETITIONS IN OPPOSITION OF APPEAL.
YES, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY.
I WONDER IF, IF THAT'S THE TRUE IN MOST STATES AND I WONDER WHY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DOESN'T TAKE ON THAT JOB, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, UH, THE DEFENDANT, IF HE'S CONVICTED, DOES A PETITION FOR APPEAL, WE THEN FILE A BRIEF AND OPPOSITION TO THAT PETITION FOR APPEAL.
IF THE COURT OF APPEALS OR THE SUPREME COURT GRANTS, THE PETITION, THEN IT GOES TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO TAKE IT FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S ONE BRIEF THAT'S REALLY ORIENTED TO PROBABLY BEST HANDLED BY SOMEONE WHO WAS CLOSEST TO THE PROSECUTION.
YES, IT GOES UP AND THEY TAKE IT FROM THERE.
HOW MANY SLIDES DOES MR. MULLIGAN HAD?
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UH, VOTER REGISTRATION AND ELECTIONS FOR THE COUNTY.UH, SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH SOME VOTER REGISTRATION INFORMATION.
THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS IN THE COUNTY BY PRECINCT, UH, GIVING US A TOTAL CURRENTLY AT 20,187, UH, WHICH IS A LOT, UM, AND WE'VE COME A LONG WAY, UH, IN 2018.
UH, HERE'S A BREAKDOWN AGAIN BY PRECINCT.
SO, UH, THIS IS A BREAKDOWN SHOWING THE NET GAIN OF REGISTERED VOTERS, UM, DURING THOSE YEARS BY PRECINCT.
UH, SO WE'VE GROWN BY OUR NET GAIN OF VOTERS SINCE 2018 IS TWO, 312.
UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS BROKEN DOWN BY PRECINCT.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE OBVIOUS OUTLIERS, UH, 4 0 1 SHALLOW.
WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS GROWN BY 1041 AND A 4 0 2 CENTERVILLE LOOKS LIKE IT IS SHRUNK BY 393, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY BECAUSE IN 2019 WE HAD THE PRECINCT BOUNDARY CHANGE.
UH, 800 VOTERS WERE MOVED FROM PRECINCT 4 0 2 INTO PRECINCT 4 0 1.
SO ACTUALLY SHALLOW WELL HAS REALLY GROWN BY 241.
AND CENTERVILLE HAS ACTUALLY GROWN BY LIKE 400 AROUND.
SO IF YOU TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE THAT AS WOULD BE EXPECTED.
A LOT OF THE GROWTH, MORE OF THE GROWTH IS ON THE EAST AND IN SOME OF OUR PRECINCTS ARE REALLY STARTING TO, YOU KNOW, BUS AT THE SEAMS. UH, WE TRY NOT TO GO OVER 3000, UH, AND AS YOU SEE, MANNEQUIN IS THAT 2,968, UH, SHALLOW WELLS AT 2,716.
WE WERE REALLY HOPING TO GET THE REDISTRICTING AND RE PRECINCT THING DONE THIS YEAR TO KIND OF ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT.
OF COURSE ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, UH, BY NOVEMBER.
SO, UM, THAT MIGHT CAUSE SOME LONG LINES IN NOVEMBER, BUT THIS IS A BREAKDOWN BY YEAR.
UH, COUNTY-WIDE OUR NET GAIN FROM 2018 TO 2019 WAS 493, WHICH IS SIZEABLE.
BUT THEN THAT DOUBLED 2019 TO 2020 TO 974.
AND THEN IN 2020 TO TWENTY TWENTY ONE, NINE HUNDRED AND FIVE, AND THAT'S WITH THE PANDEMIC.
SO I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE PANDEMIC, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN HIGHER.
SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE NEW NORMAL FOR AWHILE IS ROUGHLY A THOUSAND VOTERS OR SO PER YEAR.
UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE GONNA KEEP GOING UP.
UH, SO THAT'S GET YOU CAUGHT UP ON WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS VOTER REGISTRATION.
NOW, MOVING ON TO ELECTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE NEW LEGISLATION THAT IS, UH, COME DOWN THE PIKE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, STARTING IN 2020.
UM, I REALLY, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, BUT SOME OF THE BIG, HEAVY HITTERS, OF COURSE, THE NO EXCUSE ABSENTEE VOTING, UH, WAS INTRODUCED IN 2020, MEANING THAT NOW NO VOTER, UH, NEEDS TO GIVE A REASON TO VOTE ABSENTEE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE ABSENTEE VOTING PERIOD WAS INCREASED, UH, FOR THE FULL 45 DAY PERIOD, INCLUDING THE TWO SATURDAYS BEFORE FOR ALL ELECTIONS.
UM, IT USED TO JUST BE FOR GENERAL ELECTIONS.
WE HAD TO BE OPEN FOR THE TWO SATURDAYS BEFORE.
UM, BUT NOW IT'S FOR ALL ELECTIONS.
UM, LET'S SEE, UH, THE REQUIRED PREPAID POSTAGE.
WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE RETURN POSTAGE, PERHAPS THE TEA BALLOTS.
UH, WE NOW HAVE TO ACCEPT ABSENTEE BALLOTS UP TO THE FRIDAY AFTER THE ELECTION.
UM, SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT OF COURSE NOW MEAN MONEY AND RETRAINING OF OUR ELECTION OFFICERS AND ALL OF THESE THINGS.
AND THEN RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF 2020, THERE WERE SOME LAST MINUTE ADDITIONS, WHICH YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH, LIKE THE, UH, REQUIRED DROP-OFF LOCATIONS FOR ABSENTEE BALLOTS, THE, UH, ABS ABSENTEE BALLOT CURE PROCESS, AND, UM, THE ABSENTEE VOTING, THE WITNESS SIGNATURE, NOT BEING REQUIRED ON ABSENTEE BALLOTS.
UM, IN 2021, A LOT OF THOSE THINGS WERE MADE.
THOSE WERE SUPPOSED TO JUST BE FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, 2020, BUT, UM, THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THEY KIND OF MADE ALL THOSE THINGS PERMANENT.
SO NOW WE STILL HAVE THE REQUIRED DROP-OFF LOCATIONS, THE ABSENTEE BALLOT CURE PROCESS, AND ABSENTEE VOTING THE WITNESSING INSURERS NOT REQUIRED DURING, UM, I FORGET THE EXACT TERM, BUT BASICALLY LIKE A HEALTH CRISIS, LIKE THE PANDEMIC.
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A PERMANENT ABSENTEE VOTER LIST.UH, WE USED TO USED TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR AN ANNUAL BALLOT, WHICH WOULD GET YOU ALL YOUR BALANCE FOR THAT YEAR AUTOMATICALLY.
NOW YOU'RE PUT ON A PERMANENT ABSENTEE VOTER LIST, AND BASICALLY UNTIL YOU REQUEST TO BE TAKEN OFF THE LIST, I AUTOMATICALLY SEND YOU YOUR ABSENTEE BALLOT, UM, FOREVER, UH, UNTIL YOU ASK TO BE TAKEN OFF OF IT.
UM, UH, WE NOW HAVE TO REPORT OUR IN-PERSON ABSENTEE NUMBERS SEPARATE FROM ALL OUR OTHER, UM, RESULTS.
UM, AND ANOTHER BIG ONE IS THE ACCIDENT.
I THINK THIS WAS BACK ON THE LAST LINE, THE, THAT ALL PRECINCTS MUST BE WHOLLY CONTAINED WITHIN A SINGLE ELECTION DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE SOME ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO REDISTRICTING.
UH, AND, UH, ANOTHER BIG ONE IS PREREGISTRATION OF VOTERS, 16 YEARS OF AGE.
THIS HAS A DELAYED ENACTMENT OF OCTOBER 20, 22, BUT AT THAT TIME, ANY ANYBODY'S 16 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER CAN DO WHAT'S CALLED PREREGISTRATION.
AND THEN AS SOON AS THEY TURN 18, THEY'RE AUTOMATICALLY REGISTERED.
UM, AND YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT ALL THE ONES.
IF, IF ANYBODY SEES ANYONE THAT THEY WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT, UH, GO AHEAD AND LET ME KNOW.
UH, BUT OUR COPS ARE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, UH, THIS PAST YEAR, UH, DESPITE ALL THOSE, UH, LEGISLATION CHANGES, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, ESTABLISH THAT VOTER SATELLITE OFFICE AT THE, UH, PARKS AND REC I'M SORRY, THE, UM, SPORTS COMPLEX, UH, WHICH LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME WE DID THAT.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE NO EXCUSE ABSENTEE VOTING, UH, WHICH IS GENERALLY CALLED EARLY, WHICH WAS A HUGE TASK, UH, CONSIDERING THAT WE HAD, UH, ABSENTEE VOTING INCREASED BY 400%, UH, AS FAR AS BY MAIL SINCE THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
AND THEN IN-PERSON VOTING INCREASED 1000% FROM THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, ABOUT 50% OF THE COUNTY VOTED IN, UH, VOTED ABSENTEE IN PERSON LAST, UH, NOVEMBER.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO PULL OFF A SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AGAIN, WITH ALL THOSE, UM, NEW LEGISLATION AND ALSO DURING A PANDEMIC WITH AN 88% TURNOUT.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE HIGHEST IN THE STATE.
UH, I COULD BE WRONG, I THINK POWER AT HAND MIGHT'VE MADE IT.
UM, BUT, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, WE ALSO HAD MULTIPLE EMERGENCY POLLING PLACE, RELOCATIONS AND MULTIPLE LIKE PERMANENT POLLING PLACE CHANGES.
SO I FEEL REALLY PROUD OF BEING ABLE TO PULL ALL THAT OFF WITH EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON.
AND OUR GOALS FOR THIS YEAR IS TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL 20, 21 GENERAL ELECTION, UH, WHILE IMPLEMENTING ALL THIS NEW LEGISLATION AND AUTHOR ALSO, UH, LIKE I SAID, WITHOUT REDISTRICTING HAPPENING.
SO THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THIS GENERAL ELECTION WITH, WITH THESE LARGE PRECINCTS AND, UH, ALSO WITH THE SPLIT PRECINCTS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET RID OF AFTER REDISTRICTING, BUT SINCE REDISTRICTING PROBABLY WILL NOT BE DONE BY NOVEMBER, WE'LL HAVE TO DO IT, UH, WITH ALL THOSE THINGS IN PLACE.
UH, AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS AND I'VE ALSO PURCHASED NEW POLL BOOKS, UH, FOR OUR OFFICERS AND THE SOFTWARE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE CHANGED BY NEXT YEAR.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, WE HOPE FOR A SUCCESSFUL PRIMARY IN 2022.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME PROBABLY CAME IN WAY UNDER 10, HUH? YES, SIR.
THAT MR. JEREMY, UM, COULD YOU, UH, DISTRIBUTE THESE SLIDES TO THE BOARD? SURE.
I'VE BEEN QUITE A BIT GOING ON AS, UM, ON THE, ON THE NEW SOFTWARE.
CAN YOU JUST IN A TWENTY-FIVE WORDS LIST LAST, TELL ME WHAT THAT IS.
I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU NEEDED TO, SO I WAS WANTING TO, IN ADDITION, IF YOU COULD ADD, AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER 25 WORDS ON TOP OF THE SHOW.
NO, NO, YOU STAY WITH THE SAME 45 HOME MAN.
UH, SO THAT IS THE SOFTWARE THAT WE BUILD ELECTIONS AND POLL BOOKS ON.
THAT'S PUT OUT TO THE PRECINCTS WHERE YOU CHECKED VOTERS IN, UM, TO VERIFY THAT THEY'RE REGISTERED AND AT THE RIGHT ADDRESS.
AND THAT, UH, THAT THE SOFTWARE WE USE HAS ACTUALLY, UM, I GUESS BEEN DISCONTINUED.
JUST, JUST SO WE'RE STICKING WITH THE SAME VENDOR, JUST THAT LIKE
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VERSION, I GUESS, UM, HAS BEEN, UH, DISCONTINUED AND, BUT WE CAN CONTINUE TO USE IT UP UNTIL JUNE OF NEXT YEAR, BUT BY, UH, AFTER THAT, SO BY NOVEMBER OF 2022, WE'LL HAVE TO BE ON THE NEW, THE NEWER SOFTWARE, UM, UH, THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE STATES, UH, CERTIFICATION PROCESS.AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CERTIFY THE VERSION WE USE, BUT THE ONE WE'RE MOVING TO WILL BE, IT'LL BE A NEW, UH, BASICALLY A NEWER VERSION, IF YOU WILL.
CAN YOU TELL US WHO THE VENDOR IS? DEN? DEM TECH IS THE NAME OF THE, SO ADVOCATE IS THE NAME OF THE SOFTWARE, BUT IT'S A DEM TECH IS THE DEFENDER DAN, A DEM TECH, D M T E C H.
YOU GOT TO THE WHY IT'S JUST THE VERSION IS EXPIRING, RIGHT? MR. PETERSON, MS. AGAIN, UM, YOU MENTIONED WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 20,000 REGISTERED VOTERS, CORRECT.
UM, AND HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO OUR POPULATION? UH, I, IF WE'RE USING THE PROJECTED NUMBERS, WHICH I THINK 23,700 AND SOMETHING, UH, IT'S ABOUT 86%, ALMOST 90% OF THE POPULATION IS REGISTERED VOTERS.
I KNOW IT SURPRISES EVERYBODY.
THAT IS A HEAD-SCRATCHER FOR ME.
HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO OTHER FOLKS? I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I'D LOVE TO, I JUST CRUNCHED THOSE NUMBERS, LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER A FEW DAYS AGO, AND THOSE, I HAVE NO TIME TO DO ANY MORE RESEARCH INTO WHERE THAT STANDS WITH THEM.
YOU ALWAYS HEAR THE STORIES ABOUT MY DAUGHTER, MY CAT GOT REGISTERED ON MY CREDIT CARD OR SOMETHING, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'D BE A B.
I BELIEVE THE 23 7 17 NUMBER IS AN OLDER NUMBER.
I THINK WE'RE USING THAT EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AGO.
MISS LAST GLEN, JOANNE HUNTER, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
UM, THAT 23 7 1 7 IS A WELDON COOPER ESTIMATE.
THEY, THEIR, THEIR TRENDS, CORRECT OVER TIME.
UM, WE HAVE SEEN MUCH HIGHER GROWTH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS THAN WHAT WAS PROJECTED OVER, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 10 YEARS, UM, IS WHAT THEY DO.
UM, SO WE ANTICIPATE WHEN WE GET THE CENSUS INFORMATION AND UPDATED NUMBERS, THAT THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, SLIGHTLY HIGHER, PROBABLY MORE IN THE 25,000 RANGE.
ANYTHING SEE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, DO YOU HAVE, UM, MR. PETERSON PROBABLY SAW ME TAKING PICTURES OF SLIDE SIX AND SEVEN, WHERE YOU HAD THOSE LISTS.
SO THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR SHARING THAT WITH US.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY MAYBE FROM STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS OR SOMETHING THAT HAS THE SAME LIST OF OUR STATUTORY CHANGES, BUT LINKS OUT OR, OR, OR HAS THE CODE SECTIONS? I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANY MATERIALS THAT I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO SHARE WITH US SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY LOOK TO THE ACT OR THE CODE SECTION THAT IS BEHIND EACH OF THOSE LITTLE BULLETS IN SLIDE SIX AND SEVEN.
UM, YEAH, SOME OF THEM, SOME OF THE BULLET POINTS, LIKE MORE THAN ONE OF THEM, LIKE THERE'S ONE PIECE OF CODE THAT MENTIONS ALL OF THEM.
SO I'LL HAVE TO KIND OF COMPILE SOMETHING BY IT.
BUT I'VE DONE NOT LOOKING TO A LOT OF EFFORTS OR SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WERE PROVIDED.
WE KINDA HAD TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.
THERE'S NOT MANY ANYTHING YOU CAN SHARE THAT, IS IT EASIER FOR US TO FIND WHERE THAT ACT IS? THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
ONE LAST THING, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M SO SORRY.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S DISCREPANCIES IN THE CODE FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER PLACE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE SAME QUESTION MR. LUMPKINS HAD EARLIER WAS IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO PRESENT TO OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION, UH, WHETHER YOU GIVE IT TO US, SO YOU DO IT OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN CLEAN SOME OF THAT UP TO JUST MAKE IT EASIER BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S CONFUSING.
ONE LAST THING SHE'S HAVING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
I'LL GIVE YOU A FEW MINUTES TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, NO, JUST, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT WORD.
I COULD GET THE REDISTRICTING DONE IN TIME FOR THIS NOVEMBER.
WHAT IS THE LATEST ON THE TIMING AND THAT REDISTRICTING? DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE ON THAT? UH, I I'VE JUST HEARD THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE GOING ON DURING THE ELECTION TIME.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, THERE'S NO WAY IT'LL BE DONE BY ELECTION TIME.
NOT THAT I HA I CAN'T OFFER YOU ANYTHING.
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I BELIEVE THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED IS THAT DATA MAY BE PROVIDED SEPTEMBER BY SEPTEMBER 30TH.I THINK THAT'S, AND THEN THAT STARTS THE PROCESS.
VOTING WILL HAVE ALREADY STARTED, UM, ABSENTEE VOTING STARTS SEPTEMBER 17TH FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET THE DATA, THAT'LL LAUNCH A PROCESS THAT TAKES PLACE OVER TIME AND BE READY FOR THE FOLLOWING NOVEMBER.
IT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE HOPEFULLY BY THE JUNE, BUT DEFINITELY BY NOVEMBER UNDER PROMISE AND OVER DELIVER.
WELL, THANKS AGAIN, MR. HOGAN.
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, BARBARA HORLOCKER DEPUTY
[3. 4045: Presentation of Resolution amending Fiscal Year 2021 Budget - County and]
COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR ADMINISTRATION.UM, AND I ONLY HAVE NINE SLIDES, SO, OKAY.
SO, UM, TONIGHT, TODAY WE WANT TO DO THE FY 21 BUDGET AMENDMENTS AT THE FISCAL YEAR, JUST ENDED ON JUNE 30TH.
AND THESE ARE SORT OF SOME LAST MINUTE, UM, GET ALL OUR I'S DOTTED, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT I ALSO WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, INTRODUCE TO YOU THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN OR AS WE CALL IT ARPA 2021.
UM, IT ESTABLISHED THE CORONAVIRUS STATE AND LOCAL FISCAL RECOVERY FUNDS FOR STATE LOCAL TERRITORIAL AND TRIBAL GOVERNMENTS.
UM, COUNTIES IN THE U S RECEIVED $65.1 BILLION.
THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE CARES ACT FUND THAT CAME THROUGH THE STATE.
UM, THIS WAS ACTUALLY DISTRIBUTED TO US DIRECTLY FROM THE U S TREASURY.
SO, UM, THE, UM, ACT HAS IT COMING IN TWO DIFFERENT PIECES, UM, 50%, WHICH WE MAY, WE ALREADY RECEIVED LAST WELL, TWO MONTHS AGO, MAY 20TH, 21.
AND THE BALANCE WILL BE IN MAY OF 2022, UM, GOOCHLAND COUNTY RECEIVED TWO THOUSAND TWO MILLION THREE HUNDRED AND SIX THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND SEVENTY ONE IN MAY OF 2021.
SO WE WILL GET THE SAME AMOUNT IN MAY OF 2022 FOR A TOTAL OF $4.6 MILLION.
UM, THE ALLOWABLE USES ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE CARES ACT, BUT, BUT EXPANDED, UH, SO NO MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE CARES ACT SUPPORT THE PUBLIC HEALTH RESPONSE ADDRESS.
THE NEGATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACTS CAUSED BY THE PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY SERVE THE HARDEST HIT COMMUNITIES REPLACED, LOST PUBLIC SECTOR SECTOR REVENUE, INVEST IN WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE AND INVEST IN BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE.
THOSE LAST TWO BULLET POINTS OF COURSE, WERE NOT PART OF THE CARES ACT.
UM, INELIGIBLE USES OUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO PENSION FUNDS AND OFFSET OF REDUCTION IN NET TAX REVENUE, THE SPENDING PERIOD, MARCH 3RD, WHEN THE ACT PASSED OF 2021 UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST, 2026, HOWEVER, YOU MUST BE OBLIGATED THE FUNDS BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT IN PLACE AND YOU HAVE A PURCHASE ORDER.
UM, I HIGHLIGHTED THE ELIGIBLE BROADBAND PROJECTS, AND THOSE ARE ONES THAT ARE MINIMUM SPEEDS OF 100 MEGA BYTES PER SECOND, TO SERVE THE UNSERVED AND UNDERSERVED AND STILL COMING OUT WITH NEW GUIDANCE AND MORE DEFINITION OF WHAT YOU CAN USE A BROADBAND, UM, ON.
AND OF COURSE EVERYBODY'S KEEPING UP WITH THAT BECAUSE, UM, MOST LOCALITIES, UM, ESPECIALLY RURAL KELLY'S OR LIKE US ARE VERY INTERESTED IN USING THAT FOR BROADBAND.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY, UM, IS JUST TO USE A SMALL BIT OF THAT.
AND THEY, UM, IT WOULD BE A BUDGET SUPPLEMENT TO OUR COUNTY BUDGET OF $70,000.
AND THAT'S APPROXIMATELY WHAT WE SPENT ON, UM, VACCINE CLINICS.
AND, UM, THAT WAS SPENT BETWEEN MARCH 3RD AND JUNE 30TH, PRETTY MUCH WHEN WE WERE RUNNING OUR CLINICS, THE I'M ABLE TO INCREASE SEVERAL DEPARTMENT BUDGETS, MAINLY GENERAL SERVICES AND PARKS AND REC, UH, WITH THE ARPA FUNDS.
AND THEN THE REST OF THE MONEY WOULD BE SITTING IN AS DEFERRED REVENUE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECOGNIZE IT.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BRING PLANS TO YOU TO USE IT, UM, HOPEFULLY IN BROADBAND, BUT, UM, A LOT MORE RESEARCH, A LOT MORE NEWS, A LOT MORE DETAILS ARE COMING OUT ALL THE TIME.
SO, UM, PART OF THE RE REQUEST IS THE BUDGET SUPPLEMENT OF $70,000 FROM RECOGNIZING AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS WE ALREADY HAVE.
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JUST TRANSFERS.UM, AT THIS POINT WE LOOK AT ALL THE BUDGETS AND RECALL ALSO THAT ALL THE BUDGETS HAD A 5% HIT WHEN WE DID THE COVID BUDGETS.
SO, UM, WE FIND OURSELVES WITH IT.
UM, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS ARE PRETTY MUCH THE AREA THAT IT'S, UM, RUN OVER AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE ON THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS.
WE'VE GOT TO PAY THOSE TO KEEP OUR SOFTWARE GOING CONVENIENCE CENTER.
IT'S MOSTLY CONTRACTED SERVICES.
SO WE BOTH HAVE THE CONTRACT AT HAULING, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE SERVICES WHERE WE, THEY ACCEPT OR REFUSE.
AND, AND, UM, SO THAT IS, UM, HI, WE'VE, UM, HOPEFULLY CORRECTED THAT IN OUR NEXT BUDGET.
THAT IS JUST AN ONGOING THING THAT KEEPS GOING UP AND UP EVERY YEAR, UM, AND GROUNDS, UM, MAINLY IN AGRICULTURAL SUPPLIES IS WHERE, AND THOSE ARE, UM, THE KEEPING UP OF THE FIELDS AND THOSE KINDS OF ITEMS. AND THOSE ARE ALL TRANSFERS FROM RESERVE FOR CONTINGENCIES.
SO IT'S A NET TO THE BUDGET OF ZERO, UM, ON THOSE ITEMS. AND THEN WITH THE, THE SCHOOLS WOULD LIKE, UM, YOU WERE AUTHORITY TO DO CATEGORICAL TRANSFERS, UM, SAME KIND OF THING.
BUDGET TRANSFERS, NO CHANGE TO THEIR OVERALL BUDGET, UM, FROM INSTRUCTION SAVINGS TO ADMIN AND FROM TRANSPORTATION SAVINGS TO OPERATIONS IN TECHNOLOGY, THEY DO HAVE SOME SUPPLEMENTS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
THOSE ARE NON COUNTY LOCAL FUNDS.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS 29,750 FROM THE GOOCHLAND EDUCATION FOUNDATION.
AND THEN, UM, THE SECOND ONE IS $300,000 FROM CARES ACT.
UM, NOT CARES ACT THAT WE GOT AS A SEPARATE EDUCATION, UM, UM, ALLOTMENT OF CARES ACT FUNDS.
AND THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVES HERE OF THE SCHOOLS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE TRANSFERS OR SUPPLEMENTS UNDER 10 MINUTES, NINE SLIDES.
WELL, WHAT'S YOUR NEXT SLIDE? OH, QUESTIONS, MR. PETER.
UH, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO SLIDE EIGHT.
OH, WHAT HAPPENED? OH, I PUSHED BACKWARDS.
UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO TODAY, UM, JUST GOES AND COME ON UP TO LEND A HAND IF NEED BE.
UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO THESE TWO BUDGET SUPPLEMENTS, THE MONEY COME IN TO THE COUNTY AND NEED TO TRANSFER TO THEM COMES IN DIRECTLY TO SCHOOLS.
AND IF IT COMES IN DIRECTLY TO SCHOOLS, ARE WE, WE'RE NOT ADJUSTING OUR TRANSFER SCHOOLS IF IT'S GOING DIRECTLY INTO THE SCHOOLS.
SO I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS WHAT ARE SPECIFICALLY IS THIS BOARD BEING ASKED TO DO TODAY WITH RESPECT TO THESE PAYMENTS THAT MAY BE COMING DIRECTLY INTO THE SCHOOLS, THE, THE MONEY'S COMING DIRECTLY TO THE SCHOOLS.
AND SO YOU'RE ASKING, WE'RE ASKING TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR BUDGET, INCREASE IT BY THOSE TWO AMOUNTS.
INCREASE THE BUDGET NUMBERS, BUT NOT APPROPRIATE THOSE FUNDS, I MEAN, APPROPRIATE AND ALLOW THE SCHOOL TO SPEND THOSE FUNDS DIRECTLY.
SO IF WE INCREASED THE BUDGET, D YOU THEN ARE THE ONES TO APPROPRIATE OR DO, WHEN DO WE NEED TO AUTHORIZE THE APPROPRIATION HERE? SO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT.
IF YOU COULD JUST WALK US THROUGH THIS, THIS WOULD BE GREAT.
IS AN APPROPRIATION, YOUR APPROVAL.
THE BUDGET SUPPLEMENT WILL APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS TO GREASE THE SCHOOL'S EXPENDITURE.
WELL REVENUE, MR. PETERSON, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER IN THE PAST MONTH TO HAVE THE, UM, MS. HORLOCKER PRESENTATIONS COME BEFORE YOU WITH RESOLUTIONS, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT FUNDS ARE TRANSFERRED, APPROPRIATE BUDGET AMENDMENT.
AND SO TODAY IS ONE OF THE FIRST ACTIONS THAT COMES BEFORE YOU WITH A RESOLUTION IN WHICH ALL THE PROPER VERBS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE ACTIONS.
AND SO THE MOTION THAT'S DRAFTED AS A PROPOSED ON THE AGENDA ITEM, SUGGEST THAT YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, AND THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF ALL THE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS, RIGHT.
AND THE RESOLUTION ACTUALLY STATES THAT YOU'RE AMENDING THE BUDGET AND APPROPRIATING THE FUNDS.
SO, UM, IT'S ALL CAPTURED IN THE RESOLUTION.
SO YOU CAN JUST ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION.
THE THIRD BULLET POINTS, C C THE RESOLUTION FOR THE MORNING, BECAUSE THIS ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
I JUST DO IT, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST ONE QUESTION, PROBABLY THE SAME QUESTION TO BOTH OF YOU.
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WE'RE GETTING CARES ACT AND OTHER FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STATE GOVERNMENT, I'M CALLING EMERGENCY FUNDS BECAUSE OF COVID OR WHATEVER.THAT COMING INTO BOTH OF OUR BUDGETS, SOME DIRECTLY DO USE SOME DIRECTLY TO US.
SO NEXT YEAR, WHEN WE DO, WHEN WE WILL, WE'LL BE STARTING BEFORE TOO LONG, A NEW BUDGET.
SO WE'VE GOT A MECHANISM TO RECOGNIZE THESE AND PULL THEM OUT SO THAT WE'RE NOT COMPARING.
SO WE ARE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES WITHOUT THE COVID MONEY.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE 3 MILLION FOR ME AND WHATEVER THE NUMBERS ARE.
I MEAN, IT'S FAIRLY SIMPLE ON THE COUNTY SIDE, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T NORMALLY GET THAT MUCH FEDERAL FUNDS, RIGHT.
SO ALMOST ALL OF OUR FEDERAL FUNDS WILL BE CARES OR ARPA FUNDS.
IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT ON THE SCHOOL SIDE.
SO NORMALLY THE SCHOOLS HAVE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLAR, UM, WHAT WE CALL TITLE FUNDS CAN COME INTO THE SCHOOLS FOR SPECIAL ED AND, AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, WE USE A, A FEDERAL FUND THAT ISOLATES ALL THOSE FEDERAL EXPENSES AWAY FROM THE NORMAL OPERATING BUDGET.
SO YOU'RE SEEING A SIGNIFICANT JUMP IN OUR FEDERAL FUND, BUT YOU'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING DIFFERENT IN OUR OPERATING FUND.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SUPPLEMENTAL.
IT IS NOT PAYING FOR NORMAL OPERATING DAY.
IT WAS GREAT TALKING TO YOU THIS MORNING.
I APPRECIATE YOU CALLING THE BOOK, GETTING BETTER, THE BUDGET TRANSFERS.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE AN ELECTED BOARD AND YOU GUYS GET INTO THE WEEDS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SAID AS, UM, THIS BOARD IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CATEGORIES.
I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO TRANSFER MONIES, AND YET THERE'S NO MONIES LISTED THERE THAT I COULD FIND IN ANY BOARD PACKAGE.
SO, AND I'M ACTUALLY REALLY SURPRISED WITH ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD OVER OR NOT CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMENTS.
I HEARD ABOUT INSTRUCTIONAL COSTS GOING UP THAT WERE ACTUALLY, WE ACTUALLY SAVED DURING A PANDEMIC WHEN WE HAD MULTIPLE WAYS OF TEACHING THAT WE'VE SAVED, UM, INSTRUCTIONAL MONEY AND WE'RE MOVING TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE.
I JUST, I JUST NEED MORE INSIGHT INTO WHAT THAT IS.
SO THE INSTRUCTIONAL ARE, UM, IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY WE'RE MOVING WELL, 65,000 IS ALL THAT WE'VE ASKED TO MOVE OUT OF THE INSTRUCTIONAL CATEGORY THIS YEAR.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE FIELD TRIPS, THERE WERE NO FIELD TRIPS THIS YEAR.
UM, AND SO SOME OF THE EXTRA THINGS THAT WE DO IN OUR SCHOOLS JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE THOSE SAVINGS WERE.
UM, WE DID HAVE, UM, SOME STAFF THAT DECIDED NOT TO STAY WITH US THIS YEAR.
AND SO, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T, WE HAD AN INSTRUCTIONAL ASSISTANT, THEIR STUDENT WASN'T INVOLVED, UM, IN PERSON THIS YEAR, WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BACKFILL THAT POSITION.
SO WE HAVE JUST A FEW LITTLE, UM, VACANCIES THAT JUST, WE DIDN'T FEEL WE WILL BE FILLING THEM.
UM, NOW WE HAVE FILLED THEM NOW, BUT IT WAS JUST A VERY UNUSUAL YEAR.
SO IN REGARDS TO THE TOTAL AMOUNT, I THINK BARBARA AND I JUST, I MEAN, I HAVE GIVEN THAT INFORMATION AND TOTAL TRANSPARENCY IN THE PAST, AND I THINK IT WAS CONFUSING.
SO WE REDUCED IT DOWN TO JUST THE CHANGE IN THE, IN THE BUDGETS, RATHER THAN, THAN SHOW YOU LOTS OF, LOTS OF NUMBERS WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN IT, WHERE IT WAS HARDER TO SEE THAT CHANGE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT I MISSED IT, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY NUMBERS AROUND THE TRANSFERRED SHEET ABOUT THE CHANGES.
SO YOU JUST SAID, WHEN YOU SAID, WELL, IT'S JUST 65,000.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, AS WE'VE EVER SEEN THAT NUMBER.
AND IF WE DID, I APOLOGIZE THAT I MISSED IT.
YOU MEAN THE TOTAL INSTRUCTIONAL BUDGET? NO.
JUST WHAT WAS BEING, HOW MUCH HAS, WHAT IS BEING TRANSFERRED FROM INSTRUCTION TO ADMIN AND TRANSPORTATION TO TECHNOLOGY PAGE PAGE 1 56 ON THE PACK PAGE 1 56 IN THE PACKET.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET AT.
AND THEN THE LETTER, THE LETTERS ON THE NEXT PAGE, THE, THE, YEAH, THE LETTER FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS ON 1 57, THE PAGE 1 56 IS THE KIND OF THE ATTACHMENT TO THE RESOLUTION
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THAT OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY WAS JUST TELLING US ABOUT.THE RESOLUTION IS ON 1 55, 1 56 IS JUST AN ATTACHMENT OR REACTION.
ANY QUESTIONS DOWN THIS WAY? UM, SO ON THE COUNTY SIDE, IS THIS THE FIRST OF THE, OUR PROFILES? THIS IS THE FIRST, SO WE HAVE NOT APPROPRIATE ARPA-E FUNDS AT THIS POINT UNTIL TODAY.
SO, AND THE IT, SO I THINK YOU EXPLAINED YOUR PRESENTATION WAS VERY THOROUGH, BUT THE QUESTION I HAD, I THINK YOU'VE COVERED IT 105, THE 50 AND THE 40, THOSE WERE TAKEN OUT OF RESERVE WITH CONTINGENCIES BEFORE AND NOW WE'RE JUST, THIS ACTION IS RESTORING THE RESERVE.
SO WE, WE ALL SET UP A RESERVE FOR CONTINGENCY LINE THAT IS FUNDED, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUPPORTED BY, UH, REVENUES.
AND THEN AS, UM, IF WE GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE NEED TO SUPPLEMENT A BUDGET FOR SOMETHING UNEXPECTED OR UNBUDGETED, THEN WE JUST TRANSFER THE MONEY.
SO IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A NET, IT'S A TRANSFER OF EXPENSES.
SO WE'RE SAYING WE'RE COVERING THE IT BUDGET WITH, WITH REGIONAL, THERE A BUCKET FROM THE RESERVE FOR CONTINGENCY.
SO THIS 105 WE'VE ALREADY SPENT.
WE'RE KIND OF CLEANING THINGS UP, SO THAT 105, THEY WENT OVER BUDGET WITH THAT 105.
AND NOW WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING TO APPROVE THAT PAST EXPENSE AND COVER IT WITH RIGHT CONTINGENCIES.
SO HOW, HOW FAR WOULD YOU LET AN, OVER-BUDGET GO BEFORE A YEAR, COME TO US ASKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? WELL, NORMALLY I PROBABLY WOULD'VE COME TO YOU EARLIER IN THE YEAR, BUT, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THINGS WERE THIS YEAR WITH THE 5% DECREASE AND I WASN'T THINKING WE WERE GONNA END UP, UM, SOMETIMES WE COME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR TO SAY, OH, WE ALREADY KNOW.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THAT EARLIER IN THE YEAR TO SAY, OH, WE ALREADY KNOW THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN AND COME OVER.
BUT, UM, BUT THIS IS KIND OF END OF THE YEAR THINGS THAT CAME UP.
SO OUR RESERVE CONTINUE FOR CONTINGENCIES THOUGH.
EVEN AFTER THIS TRANSFER, IT'S STILL WHERE WE WANT IT IN TERMS OF POLICIES AND JUST, YEAH.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FUND BALANCE RESERVE.
THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT TOPIC.
THIS IS RESERVED FOR CONTINGENCIES IS JUST A LINE IN THE BUDGET THAT SAYS, OH, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF, OF SOMETHING BUILT IN THERE FOR, SO I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT HAS BEEN GOING INTO OUR NEW BUDGET.
WHAT IS LAST YEAR? WE MADE IT LARGER BECAUSE OF THE COVID BUDGET.
AND SO IT GIVES US SOME PLAY IN THE BUDGET TO SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR, AND THIS YEAR I THINK WE, IN THE, GOING INTO 22, I THINK IT'S BACK DOWN TO LIKE 250 IS WHAT WE HAVE DURING THE YEAR.
SO WHEN YOU COME, WE COME UP WITH NEEDS DURING THE YEAR, A POSITION, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WE CAN TRANSFER FROM THE RESERVE FOR CONTINGENCIES.
I THINK THE QUESTIONS MAYBE PROMPTED MR. I WAS JUST GONNA, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
BUT, UM, THE POLICY, IF THE FISCAL, UH, FINANCIAL POLICY THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW CALLS FOR THE, UH, QUARTERLY UPDATE FOR THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON HOW WE'RE DOING TRACKING AGAINST THE BUDGET, RIGHT? AND, AND SO AT LEAST FOUR TIMES A YEAR, THIS BUDGET IS UPDATED TO THE BOARD AND THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TIME TO HIGHLIGHT ANY OF THESE KINDS OF OVERAGES OR UNDERAGES OR HOW THE BUDGETS TRACKING, UM, AS WE GO ALONG SO THAT THINGS DON'T GET TOO FAR OUT OF CONTROL.
SO THAT GIVES US SOME COMFORT, I GUESS, AT LEAST ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, WE TRACK WHERE THESE NUMBERS ARE GOING.
SO WE'LL HEAR HOW WE'RE DOING ON THE CONTINGENCY.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO REPORT TO US.
AND YOU KNOW, THE SMALL TWO BY TWOS.
SO IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS PACKET ITEM ON PAGE 1 54, IT SAYS SUMMARY OF INFORMATION.
IT HAS, IT HAS A COUPLE OF SENTENCES SECOND PROGRAM THAT SAYS SEVERAL COUNTY DEPARTMENTS ARE EXPECTED TO EXCEED THE FYI 20, 21 BUDGET, JUNE 30TH, Q2 UNPLANNED, OR UNDER BUDGET EXPENSE, UNDER BUDGET EXPENSES, TRANSFERS FROM RESERVES, A CONTINUOUS WE'LL COVER THOSE DEFICITS.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UH, TOUCHING OUR FUND BALANCE AND, AND THAT'S ALL, THOSE ARE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS IT ENDED UP WELL, EXCEPT FOR PRIOR, I GUESS YOU PROBABLY HAD SOME IN YOUR ADJUSTMENTS.
THOSE ARE ACTUALLY THE ONLY DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'LL PROBABLY END UP, UM, OVER BUDGET, WHICH IS MOST, MOST,
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YOU KNOW, AND, UM, AND, AND THE WAY WE BA WE BUDGET IS REALLY ON A CATEGORICAL BASIS.SO LEGALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS STAY WITHIN, UM, SAY PUBLIC SAFETY, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AS A WHOLE NEED TO STAY WITHIN BUDGET, BUT WE STILL TRY TO MAKE, BECAUSE IT JUST HELPS US THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO SAY, OH, WELL, WE REALLY NEED THIS MUCH IN THE BUDGET.
AND, AND THE IT DEPARTMENT CONTRACTS, THAT WAS THE BIGGEST ITEM.
DO YOU HAVE LIKE A THUMBNAIL OF WHAT THOSE WERE? WE JUST DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A HANDLE ON THE CONTRACT AT CER YOU KNOW, ALL THE SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS.
AND OF COURSE THEY GO UP EVERY YEAR, UM, AS WELL AS THE NUMBER OF THEM INCREASES EVERY YEAR.
WE ALSO ADDED THE TEXT MESSAGING.
UH, THIS YEAR WE ADDED TEXT MESSAGE IN MID-YEAR, UH, FOR A COST OF AROUND 20,000.
I BELIEVE IT WAS, UM, THE BIGGEST ONE, THE BIGGEST SINGLE ONE WAS MICROSOFT.
UM, OUR OFFICE 365 LICENSING WENT UP BY ABOUT $40,000.
WE ADDED CONTINGENCY FOR BACKUPS AND MIRRORING TO OUR AZURE PORTAL, WHICH WE NEVER INCURRED THAT COST BEFORE, UM, AS PART OF DISASTER RECOVERY.
AND SO, AND THAT INCURRED OVER, OVER, UM, THE YEAR, THOSE COSTS WERE ABOUT $15,000 AS WELL.
SOME, PROBABLY SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENT, SWAG AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS FUNDED OUT OF SHANGHAI OR CAME TO YOU EARLIER TO AMEND THE BUDGET.
WE ALREADY HAD THAT BUILT INTO THE COUNTY COUNTY BUDGET.
THANK YOU, MS. WHITE, UM, ON THE SCHOOL'S ITEMS, CHRISTIAN EDUCATION FOUNDATION, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S EARMARKED FOR TECHNOLOGY IS, IS YES.
AND TO TELL YOU IF, YOU KNOW, TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, SO, UM, JUST ONE MINUTE I JUST LOST MY, UM, THE EDUCATION FOUNDATION HAS BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE IN RAISING SOME PRIVATE FUNDING FOR TECHNOLOGY ALL YEAR.
UM, I THINK LET'S SEE THEIR TOTAL FOR THE YEAR.
YOU KIND OF ANSWERED THE QUESTION AND I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT THANK YOU.
SO THEY, THEY HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS ALMOST ALL OF THAT IS DIRECTED TOWARDS, UM, THE KAJEET THAT WE DISTRIBUTED TO STUDENTS.
UM, SO WE HAVE 630 CODE SHEETS THAT WERE SENT OUT TO THE STUDENTS.
AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF APPLYING THROUGH THE FCC ARPA FUNDING, UM, WHICH IS, WILL GIVE US, UM, THE ABILITY TO PUT, UM, TO RENEW THE DATA PLANS ON ALL THOSE SHEETS FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO WE BROUGHT THEM ALL BACK IN HOUSE.
WE WILL REDISTRIBUTE, UM, BASED ON EXPRESS NEEDS OF STUDENTS NEXT YEAR, BUT WE DO HAVE 630 OF THOSE DEVICES.
AND, UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT'S OVER $150,000 JUST ON THE DATA PLAN, SO THAT THIS HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL THAT THAT EVEN BEFORE WE KNEW ALL THIS EXTRA FUNDING WAS COMING IN, UM, THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THAT, UM, THE FOUNDATION WAS FINDING US MONEY TO PAY FOR ALL THESE COOKIES.
SO THAT'S A 301,000 THAT WE'RE WHERE WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROPRIATE.
UM, IS THAT ALSO THE SAME GOING IN THE SAME KIND OF USAGE? UH, NO.
IT'S, UH, WE, WE NEEDED TO BUY, UM, WE HAVE NEW STAFF FOR NEXT YEAR, UM, INTERVENTIONISTS, UM, FEDERALLY FUNDED, UM, TEMPORARY TYPE OF STAFF, AND WE NEEDED TO BUY LAPTOPS FOR THEM AND GET THEM READY.
THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED THEIR, UM, NEW, NEW TEACHER ORIENTATION AND WE NEED A LAPTOPS FOR THEM BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE NEW YEAR STARTED.
UM, WE HAD IPADS THAT WE NEEDED TO GET IN.
UM, WE HAD SOME, UH, ABOUT $75,000 WORTH OF IPADS, UM, THAT WE WERE USING VERY OLD MODEL IPADS FOR OUR YOUNGEST STUDENTS.
AND WE DISTRIBUTED THEM VERY QUICKLY IN THE FALL.
AND SO WE NEEDED TO REPLACE THEM.
WE GOT THEM IN SO THAT THEY COULD BE, UM, SET UP.
NOW THERE'S ABOUT A 60 DAY DELAY AND, UM, GETTING, GETTING ANY OF THESE DEVICES IN NOW.
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ABLE TO, OR THAT EARLY, WE DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL JULY ONE.SO, UM, SO THAT THAT'S REALLY, UM, A LOT OF, UM, SOME FURNITURE, UM, FOR OUTDOOR CLASSROOMS. WE WENT AHEAD AND ORDERED THAT, UM, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, JUST IN CASE THERE WAS A, A LEAD TIME ON IT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY, HOPEFULLY OVER TIME, THE NEED FOR THOSE
SO YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE, THE PORT 80 AND THE OTHER MOU WITH IT.
IS IT NEXT MONTH THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT THE, UM, THE OTHER PLAN, THE LARGER PLAN, MAYBE COMING, COMING, MAYBE NOT NEXT MONTH.
I WANT TO UNDER PROMISE OVER DELIVER.
YES, WE ARE WATCHING VERY CAREFULLY.
AND ALSO TO OUR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE IN ATTENDANCE, MR. NEWMAN AND MS. HORN.
THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US TODAY.
SO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVED THE GUCCI BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY AND SCHOOLS.
THANK YOU, MR. SHARP FOR THE SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR.
UM, THANK YOU AGAIN, SCHOOLS AND MS. HORLACKER.
SO WE'RE DOWN TO THE LAST SECOND TO LAST ITEM IN NEW BUSINESS.
AND IF SOMEBODY WOULD MAKE A MOTION, PUT US IN CLOSED MEETING, WE WILL ROLL INTO THAT.
CHAIRMAN MS. CHAIRMAN MOVES THAT, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF VIRGINIA VIRGINIA CODE 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A ONE MOVED AT THE GUSEWELLE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, CONVENIENT, CLOSED MEETING FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING THE PERFORMANCE AND DUTIES OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, MR. PETERSON, ROLL CALL VOTE.
WE'LL RETURN SHORTLY, UH, FOR ONE MORE REMAINING ITEM AND THEN WE'LL
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AT THE GOOSE AND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HERE BY A CERTIFIED THAT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE.ONE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AND TO ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION CONVENING.
THE CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED BY THE AND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN OUR CLOSED MEETING.
SECOND, THANK YOU, MR. SPOON HOWARD.
AND THERE'S A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS CERTIFICATION, MR. SHARP.
OUR YES AND I VOTE YES AS WELL.
UM, THERE WAS AN ITEM ADDED TO THE BEGINNING OF OUR AGENDA.
UH, AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT, WE ADDED AN ITEM TO THE AGENDA, UH, BOARD ACTION.
UH, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. CHAIR.
UM, I GUESS THIS FALLS TO ME AS VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, UM, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT MR. YOUNG HAS TENDERED HIS FACE AS NATION AS THE CUSHION COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, I MOVE THAT THE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS.
NUMBER ONE, UM, TO ACCEPT MR. YOUNG'S RESIGNATION AND AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF THE ASSOCIATED AGREEMENTS.
AND NUMBER TWO, THAT WE APPOINT CHIEF FERGUSON AS THE INTERIM LOCAL DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND NUMBER THREE AUTHORIZED THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS, JOANNE HUNTER, AND BARBARA HALL AKER TO TAKE ANY ACTION WITHIN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S AUTHORITY.
THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL.
SO THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
WE WILL TAKE A DINNER BREAK AND BE BACK IN 58 MINUTES.
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OUR SIX O'CLOCK SESSION TO ORDER FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING ON JULY SIX, GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.UH, WE START OFF THIS SESSION WITH CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD.
ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ABOUT ANY MATTER IMPACTING GOOCHLAND,
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PLEASE COME FORWARD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO AFTER INTRODUCING YOURSELF, UH, LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES.THE LIGHT THERE ON THE PODIUM WILL TURN GREEN.
WHEN YOU HAVE A MINUTE LEFT AND RED, WHEN THE THREE MINUTES ARE UP, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF, WELL, WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS OF, OF INTERESTS.
SO, UH, THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO SPEAK TO THOSE.
WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE REZONING, UM, AND OTHER MATTERS HERE.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO SPECIFICALLY, THERE'LL BE A TIME FOR THAT, BUT ALL OTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE WELCOME.
NOW NOW'S THE TIME TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE.
WHEN BEEHIVES AND I LIVE IN SANDY HOOK AND DISTRICT TWO, UM, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THERE WILL BE A PFIZER CLINIC, UM, AT THE GOOCHLAND RECREATION CENTER AT 24 15 SANDY HOOK ROAD ON JULY THE 15TH FROM FOUR TO SEVEN.
SO WE WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAD CHAIRMAN IS THAT, UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ZOOM LINK THIS AFTERNOON EARLIER, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS JUST A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY, BUT I HOPE THAT THE BOARD IS NOT GOING TO RE MOVE THAT OPTION TO CITIZENS BECAUSE THE MEETINGS ARE TWO AND SIX PEOPLE AT WORK AT TWO O'CLOCK OFTEN, UM, OR THEY'RE GETTING OFF AT WORK AT FIVE, AND CAN'T GET HERE TO TALK AT SIX O'CLOCK.
SO IF THAT OPTION IS AVAILABLE, AND I UNDERSTOOD FROM PREVIOUS MEETING THAT THAT WAS AN INVESTMENT THAT WE MADE.
I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE USING BOTH OPTIONS WHERE PEOPLE CAN ENGAGE WITH YOU, UM, THROUGH ZOOM.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO HASH OVER AGAIN BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE THE SAME PEOPLE I SPOKE TO EARLIER.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO HASH OVER THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE PEOPLE HERE THAT CAME TO, UM, IN SUPPORT OF THE RESOLUTION THAT CONDEMNS RACISM AND ALL THIS ILS HERE.
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THEM TO KNOW THAT WE DID DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU, UM, AT THE EARLIER SESSION.AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS STAGE.
AND THE ZOOM CONNECTION IS OFF.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE ANOTHER SOFTWARE CALLED SWAGGER, WHICH, UM, THE MEETINGS ARE STILL ALIVE STREAMED.
WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU IN TERMS OF THE FUTURE PLANS, BUT THE ZOOM IS TURNED OFF.
WELL, WHAT DID I HAVE AT THE SYSTEM WAS YOU HAD LAST MONTH WHERE PEOPLE COULD ENGAGE VIRTUALLY WITH THE BOARD.
WE ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO TUNE IN.
I KNOW I'M ONE OF THEM THAT CAN'T ALWAYS BE HERE, BUT I DO TUNE IN, UM, TO THE MEETINGS WHEREVER I AM.
AND IF I WANT TO ENGAGE, THAT'S AN OPTION AVAILABLE.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN LUMPKINS OTHER DISTINGUISHED HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, COUNTY ATTORNEY, FELLOW CITIZENS, UH, MICHAEL MCDERMOTT FOR THE RECORD, 1879 SPRUCE LANE, MAIDENS, VIRGINIA.
I ALSO OWN PROPERTIES AND, UH, THE CENTERVILLE AREA AT 1576 WHIPPOORWILL ROAD.
THE ISSUE THAT I COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN ON IS THE, UH, TUCKAHOE CREEK SURFACE DISTRICT, UH, NOT TO REHASH HISTORY, BUT THE SERVICE DISTRICT I BELIEVE WAS ENACTED IN 2002 THAT'S 19 YEARS AGO, 19 YEARS AS A PROPERTY OWNER IN THAT DISTRICT, I'VE BEEN PAYING THE AD VALOREM TAX.
WE GOT WATER HOOKED UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, BUT STILL NO SEWER.
WE'D BEEN PAYING THE AD VALOREM FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS AND WE'RE BEING OFFERED NO RELIEF, UH, FOR THE SEWER CONNECTION, UH, 20 YEARS.
THAT'S ENOUGH TIME TO COME HERE, HAVE CHILDREN, PUT THEM THROUGH SCHOOL AND GET THEM INTO COLLEGE.
WHAT REALLY FROSTS ME IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY.
I FEEL THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO ITS CITIZENS.
I RECEIVED AS A PROPERTY OWNER DOWN THERE ON, UH, MAY 22ND, 2017 FROM, UH, EAGLE CONSTRUCTION EAGLE, MARK L PARTNERS ABOUT THEIR PLANS TO BUILD READER'S BRANCH, WHICH THEY SENT AS AN ICE NEIGHBORLY LETTER.
AND LET YOU KNOW, HEY, PROGRESS IS COMING IT'S IN YOUR BACKYARD.
SO WHETHER I AGREE OR DISAGREE, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY ARE A PROFIT DRIVEN AND MARKEL IS A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY, PUBLIC COMPANY, ANSWERABLE TO THEIR SHAREHOLDERS.
SO IN 2017, I GET A LETTER FROM THEM ABOUT BUILDING READER'S BRANCH.
WELL GUESS WHAT? IN 20 21, 4 YEARS LATER, READERS BRANCH, I WANT TO ARGUE IS ALMOST HALF DEVELOPED, HALF OCCUPIED.
THEY'RE GENERATING REVENUE FROM THEIR INVESTMENT THAT SAME YEAR IN SEPTEMBER OF 2017, SEPTEMBER 26TH.
I GOT A LETTER FROM DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC UTILITIES HERE AS A PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT THE PLANS REGARDING SEWER SERVICES NEAR NEIGHBORHOODS.
WELL GUESS WHAT? FOUR YEARS LATER, STILL NO SEWERS.
SO IN FOUR YEARS, A PUBLIC PROFIT-DRIVEN COMPANY IS ABLE TO COME IN NOTIFY, GET THE PERMITS, BUILD OCCUPY, GENERATE REVENUE YET DO SOME COUNTY IS STILL DRAGGING THEIR FEET BECAUSE THE MOST RECENT LETTER I GOT AND I DON'T SEE THE YELLOW LIGHT ON IS PRIMER.
UH, BUT THE MOST RECENT LETTER I GOT FROM THE COUNTY WAS JUST RECENTLY ON JUNE 23RD, THAT THEY FINALLY HAVE ALL THE EASEMENTS AND THEY THEY'RE NOW PROCEEDING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, WHICH WE ANTICIPATE HAVING A CONTRACTOR SELECTED BY AUGUST OF 21.
SO FOUR YEARS LATER, AND I'VE BEEN DOWN THE ROAD WITH THIS, I'VE BEEN DOWN HERE BEFORE I'VE SPOKEN TO REPRESENTATIVES OR COUNTY MEETINGS.
WHAT HAPPENED? A CONTRACTOR WAS SUPPOSEDLY SELECTED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
I MEAN, WE HAD A FINAL DESIGN.
I'M JUST BOGGLED HOW A PRIVATE COMPANY CAN COME IN AND START SHOVELING DIRT AND, AND GET SOMETHING DONE.
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AND OUR GOVERNMENT IS HAMSTRUNG.AND YET ALSO I'M PAYING AVALARA TAXES FOR ANOTHER FOUR MORE YEARS FOR SERVICES.
I CAN'T RECEIVE WHICH EVEN IF THEY GO INTO THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE TO ME, THAT'S ANOTHER YEAR DOWN THE ROAD, THAT'S GOING TO BE FIVE YEARS.
YEAH, NO, I'M, I'M, I'M STICKING ME WITH A FORK.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL NOT JUST, UH, HEAR ME, BUT YOU LISTEN.
THANK YOU, MR. MACKLIN, REBECCA MURPHY LIVE AT 1, 2 8, 9, 8 HOLLY LANE AND MANNEQUIN.
SABOT ALSO IN THE CENTER VILLE AREA.
MY CONCERN IS MAINLY TONIGHT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND IT DOES TIE INTO SONGBIRD LANE, BUT THAT'S, UM, ASIDE OF WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE THERE WAS A HIT AND RUN ON A CYCLIST, RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF HOLLY LANE AND HOCKETT ROAD.
THE PERSON WAS SEVERELY INJURED, CRACKED THEIR HELMET, AND THE PERSON TOOK OFF THE CYCLIST, HAD THEIR ARM OUT TO MAKE A LEFT TURN ON HOCKETT ROAD.
IT WAS SPEEDING AND TRIED TO PASS THEM ON THE LEFT.
THE CYCLIST FLEW OFF THEIR BIKE AND WAS SEVERELY HURT.
THE OTHER PROBLEM IN THAT AREA IS THERE'S A DRIVEWAY OFF OF HOCKET ROAD.
AND THE PERSON TRYING TO MAKE THE LEFT TURN INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY IS CONSTANTLY HONKED AT PAST ON THE LEFT AS CARS, PICKUP SPEED, BECAUSE THEY SEE 55 MILES PER HOUR WHEN THEY TURNED RIGHT OFF BROAD STREET ONTO HOCKETT, AND THEY THINK I'M ALLOWED TO GO 55 DOWN THIS HILL, NEVERMIND THAT PEOPLE ARE TOURNEY.
AND THEN THE MAIN CONCERN BEING UP BY READER'S BRANCH, PEOPLE ARE WALKING AND CROSSING THE ROAD.
NOW SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE CAN NOT CROSS AS FAST AS I CAN.
AND MY CONCERN IS WITH PEOPLE AND THEY DO SPEED UP.
WHEN THEY SEE PEOPLE CROSSING THE ROAD, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI PEDESTRIAN.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A FATALITY ONE OF THESE DAYS.
WHAT IS GOOCHLAND COUNTY GOING TO DO TO PREVENT THAT? I KNOW V.IS IN CHARGE OF THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT WHAT ABOUT CROSSWALKS? WHAT ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS? WHY ARE WE ALWAYS FOR TRAFFIC SIGNALS, ROUNDABOUTS, SLOWDOWN, TRAFFIC.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE ELECTRICITY TO RUN THE LIGHT.
I KNOW THEY'RE THINKING OF PUTTING ONE OVER HERE.
WHAT ABOUT THE EAST END OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY, WHERE MOST OF THE POPULATION IS IT'S TIME THAT WE WAKE UP TO THE PROBLEMS THERE.
A PANDEMIC, PEOPLE ARE OUT MORE THEY'RE WALKING.
I SEE IT ON SEVEN 40, WHERE HOCKETT AND HERMITAGE ROAD ARE CONNECTED BY TUCKAHOE CREEK PARKWAY.
PEOPLE ARE WALKING BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY WALK ON THE ROAD AROUND THOSE BLIND CURVES.
I SLOWED DOWN, BUT SOME PEOPLE DON'T GOOCHLAND IS NOT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE AND IT IS NOT BICYCLE FRIENDLY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY WILL DO AS PART OF THAT, I REALIZED V DOT WOULD BE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER ACTIONS THE COUNTY COULD TAKE.
HOW ABOUT PATROLLING THE ROADS MORE? AND THERE COULD BE A PUSH ON THE COUNTY TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT TO, BUT YOU CANNOT HAVE A 55 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT WHEN THERE'S THREE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN A ROW.
AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FOURTH ONE, THE ROADS, NOT EVEN WIDE ENOUGH IN THAT ONE SECTION, YOU HAVE ONE LANE EACH WAY.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW WE CAN PRESENT ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEN THE ROADS CAN'T EVEN HANDLE WHAT WE HAVE.
YOU CAN ALSO LOOK UP AT 64 ON ROCKVILLE ROAD.
IT CAN EVEN GET OUT OF TRACTOR SUPPLY AT RUSH HOUR WITHOUT SITTING IN TRAFFIC FOR 15 MINUTES, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR HELP IN SOLVING THESE PROBLEMS BEFORE SOMEBODY IS KILLED.
ANYONE ELSE? MARIA ONES, 6 21 FED LANE MANNEQUIN.
SABOT MY HUSBAND AND I USED TO COME TO THESE THINGS LIKE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, WHERE WE WOULD ALWAYS COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THE RURALNESS OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
HE'S DEAD THREE YEARS ALREADY.
SO IT'S CONSTANTLY, ALWAYS THAT THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE COUNTY HAS TO HAVE THESE MASSIVE ADDITIONS TO OUR ROADWAYS, WHICH WE CANNOT SUPPORT.
I DO NOT BELIEVE IN RPD IS NECESSARY ON SONGBIRD.
I THINK ONE HOUSE ON TWO ACRES, A NICE LOW DENSITY COUNTRY ATMOSPHERE PLACE IS MUCH, MUCH MORE APPLICABLE AND WILL NOT REALLY IMPACT THE
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AMOUNT OF CARS ON HOCKET ROAD.SO-AND-SO ARE YOU SPEAKING, ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK TO THE SONGBIRD APPLICATION? IS THAT WHAT YOU, THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING A FEW? WELL, I DON'T A FEW MINUTES, BUT LATER TONIGHT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE WE'RE GOING TO INVITE EVERYONE TO, YOU KNOW, FOR AND AGAINST WHEREVER YOUR VIEWS ARE ON THIS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE CITIZEN COMMENT.
I THINK YOU WALKED IN A LITTLE BIT LATER AFTER I SAID WE THERE'S GOING TO BE A CHANCE TO SPEAK BECAUSE THIS IS JUST FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO IF YOU HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE QUICKLY WRAP UP OR OTHERWISE, COME ON, BACK UP.
WHEN WE WERE COMING, WE WERE ALL FOCUSED ON, ON THAT APPLICATION.
ANYBODY HERE FOR THE GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD? NOT, UH, ON ANY OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WE HAVE STARTING UP SHORTLY UH, WHILE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ACQUIRING THE POWERPOINT FOR THIS EVENING.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DEREK STAMEY 27 50 SPRING FAIR DRIVE, GOOCHLAND, VIRGINIA, 2 3 0 6 3.
UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST WANTED TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS ON THE AWARD THAT THE COUNTY RECEIVED FOR THE, UH, HISTORY CENTER PROJECT AND THE COURTHOUSE GREEN.
I KNOW A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THAT PROJECT BY COUNTY STAFF, PARKS AND REC AND GENERAL SERVICES AND THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENGAGES ITS COMMUNITY FOR THE BENEFIT OF ITS RESIDENTS.
AND I JUST WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON THAT THIS AFTERNOON.
I'VE GOT ANOTHER PRESENTATION FOR YOU AS IT RELATES TO PARTNERSHIPS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND IT'S RELATED TO THE, UH, 2021 DIXIE YOUTH STATE TOURNAMENT, BOYS BASEBALL TOURNAMENT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE HELD, UH, BEGINNING THIS WEEK AT HIDDEN ROCK PARK.
JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT, ON THIS, UH, EVENT, THE PROCESS FOR RECRUITING THIS EVENT AND BRINGING IT TO THE COUNTY BEGAN BACK IN 2018.
UH, VERY SIMPLY WITH A MEETING AT CHEF LEE RESTAURANT IN A CORNER BOOTH BETWEEN, UH, COUNTY STAFF AND SOME MEMBERS OF THE GYA BOARD.
AND FROM THAT MEETING SPRUNG THE IDEA AND THE CONCEPT OF MAKING COLLECTIVE IMPROVEMENTS TO HIDDEN ROCK PARK, UH, BY PARTNERING TOGETHER AND THOSE ENDEAVORS, AS WELL AS SUBMITTING A BID TO DIXIE YOUTH BASEBALL, TO BRING THE TOURNAMENT TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ITS HISTORY AND OUR HISTORY.
SO AGAIN, THE, THE TOURNAMENT WILL TAKE PLACE, UH, BEGINNING THIS FRIDAY, JULY 9TH, AND RUN THROUGH JULY 14TH AT HIDDEN ROCK PARK.
THEY'LL BE UTILIZING THREE OF THE FOUR FIELDS FOR GAMES.
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 23 BASEBALL TEAMS, 340 PLAYERS AND 1200 SPECTATORS FROM ACROSS THE STATE AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALL AT ONE TIME.
OBVIOUSLY HITTING ROCK CANNOT HANDLE THAT KIND OF CAPACITY, BUT WE DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FOLKS TRAVELING FROM ACROSS THE STATE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS GREAT EVENT.
AND THIS EVENT REQUIRES A HEAVY LIFT WITH ABOUT NINE, APPROXIMATELY 90 VOLUNTEERS PER DAY.
WE'RE TALKING PARKING TRASH REMOVAL, LODGING, AND ACCOMMODATIONS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
WE HAVE FOLKS ON OUR STEERING COMMITTEE THAT HAVE HELPED COORDINATE LODGING FOR SOME OF THESE TEAMS THAT COME INTO THE COUNTY.
THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT LIFT AS IT RELATES TO MARKETING AND PROGRAMS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IN ADDITION TO FIELD MAINTENANCE, WHICH WE RELY HEAVILY FOR THE COUNTY ON, AND JUST A SIDEBAR TO THIS, THERE IS AN ESTIMATED ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THIS TOURNAMENT, TO THE COUNTY OF APPROXIMATELY $60,000.
AND I DID UTILIZE A FORMULA FROM THE RICHMOND REGIONAL TOURISM, UH, ECONOMIC IMPACT MODEL, AS IT RELATES TO, UH, SPORTS TOURISM IN THE REGION, SCALED IT BACK AND MADE IT CONSERVATIVE AS IT PERTAINS TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
SO IT'S, WE'RE SEEING NOT ONLY A GREAT IMPACT, UH, FROM EXPOSURE TO THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO FROM AN ECONOMIC IMPACT.
AND BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER, I DID WANT TO RECOGNIZE SOME MEMBERS OF OUR TOURNAMENT STEERING COMMITTEE.
DON'T TYPICALLY READ WHEN I PRESENT, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE ANYBODY OUT.
UH, WE'VE GOT CHRISTOPHER AND JENNIFER BROWN RIGHT HERE WITH THEIR SON, AUSTIN.
AUSTIN, CAN YOU STAND UP? AUSTIN IS MODELING THIS YEAR'S ALL JERSEYS OR GOOSE.
DON'T BE BASHFUL SPIN AROUND WHAT I'M
I MEAN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FONT ON THE BACK.
UH, VERY EXCITED FOR AUSTIN TO PARTICIPATE IN, IN THIS YEAR'S TOURNAMENT, AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS OUR OTHER ATHLETES THAT ARE GOING TO BE REPRESENTING THE COUNTY.
WE ALSO HAVE ANDREW AND MARY BETH BROWNING.
HE'S IN THE BAT IS A HIDDEN ROCK ALL THE TIME.
WE SEE EACH OTHER QUITE A BIT.
RYAN AND LEE, DON, I THINK RYAN'S GOT PRACTICE TONIGHT.
UH, LEE EVERETT, WHO'S ONE OF OUR ALL-STAR COACHES.
HE'S ALSO ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE, ANTHONY GLEASON, WADE HARRINGTON, DANIEL, AND CASEY HICKS.
AND, UM, I'M ACTUALLY THE VICE PRESIDENT OF GYA.
I LEFT THAT OUT, BUT RAY, PEARL'S OUR PRESIDENT, RIGHT? YOU
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WANT TO STAY IN, RAY DOES A HEAVY LIFT AS WELL WITH GYA AND WE'RE EXCITED OF ALL THOSE COLLECTIVE EFFORTS ON BEHALF OF THE STATE TOURNAMENT AND THE STEERING COMMITTEE.HERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF OUR TWO TEAMS. WE'VE GOT, UH, OUR TWO HOST TEAMS FOR THE STATE TOURNAMENT.
UH, I CAN, I CAN SEND YOU THOSE.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ EACH ONE, BUT YOU CAN SEE WE'RE WELL-REPRESENTED FROM AN ATHLETIC STANDPOINT.
UH, THERE'S JUST SOME FINE LOOKING YOUNG MEN IN THOSE UNIFORMS AND THEY'RE GOING TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY WELL, AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS COMING UP THIS WEEKEND.
AND IN CLOSING, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR YOUR ONGOING SUPPORT FOR PARTNERSHIPS LIKE THIS, THE GOOCHLAND SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHO'S DONE A GREAT DEAL TO HELP SUPPORT OUR EFFORTS IN COMMUNICATING AND PARKING AND DEALING WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT LOGISTICS FOR THE EVENT FOREIGN RESCUE.
WHO'S GOING TO SUPPORT THE EVENT.
OF COURSE, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
WHO'S DONE JUST AN AMAZING JOB COORDINATING THIS AND HELPING US WITH THE FIELD MAINTENANCE GENERAL SERVICES AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WHO HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE LARGE CROWD PERMIT WITH US AND WORKING THROUGH ALL OF THOSE LOGISTICS TO BRING IT TO FRUITION.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE GYA BOARD, ALL OF OUR TOURNAMENT VOLUNTEERS.
AND OF COURSE THE COMMUNITY WE WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL.
SO WITH THAT, BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. STAMEY, UH, UH, APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND GIVE US A HEADS UP.
I THINK WE WERE AWARE OF THIS AND WE, I THINK I SENT A LETTER OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WELCOMING EVERYBODY AND WE DO, WE DO WELCOME.
EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE A GREAT WEEK.
WE, WE D WE HAVE, I UNDERSTAND WE'VE SET UP AN OVERFLOW ROOM TO IN ROOM TWO 70, WHICH IS IF YOU WALK OUT IT'S TO THE RIGHT.
SO, UM, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE, THE ORDER OF THINGS AFTER WE GET THROUGH ONE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, THE APPLICATION BY YELLOWSTONE COMMUNITIES IS UP BURST.
SO CERTAINLY IF THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE OVERFLOW ROOM THAT WISH TO, UM, WISH TO SPEAK ON THE YELLOWS ON THE, ON THE ONE HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE YOU ALL IN HERE.
AND THEN FOLKS IN SONGBIRD CAN GO TO THE OVERFLOW ROOM IF IT GETS, IF IT GETS CROWDED.
SO THAT'LL WORK, WORKED A LITTLE SMOOTH OUT.
AND IN THE FRONT ROW IS ALSO, WE'RE KEEPING THAT CLEAR SO WE CAN QUEUE UP.
UM, AND SO WHEN YOU'RE READY TO SPEAK, IF YOU COME UP AND GET INTO ONE OF THOSE SEATS, SO WHEN THE PERSON BEFORE YOU IS DONE, WE CAN KIND OF KEEP, KEEP THINGS ROLLING.
BUT FIRST, BEFORE THE REZONING APPLICATIONS, WE HAVE, UM, AN ORDINANCE, UH, WE'RE GOING TO THE BOARD IS GOING TO CONSIDER APPEALING AN UNCODIFIED ORDINANCE FOR THE CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS DURING THE PANDEMIC, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, MS.
[XV. Public Hearings]
MCGEE IS GOING TO PRESENT TO US ON THAT THIS AFTERNOON, THIS BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO, TO, UM, END THE STATE OF THE LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY.THIS IS, UH, RELATED TO THAT, AND WE'LL LET OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, MR. MCGEE WALK US THROUGH THIS REPEAL.
UM, AS YOU SAID, THIS IS AN ACTION RELATED TO THE COUNTY
[1. 4038: Ordinance Repealing Uncodified Ordinance for the Continuity of]
COMING OUT OF THE STATE OF EMERGENCY, AS YOU DID BY RESOLUTION THIS AFTERNOON.UM, WHEN WE WENT INTO THE STATE OF EMERGENCY, YOU ADOPTED THIS ORDINANCE AND UNCODIFIED ORDINANCE FOR THE CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS, SOME CHANGES THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE TO ENSURE THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE CONTINUED TO FUNCTION AND PROVIDE ITS ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND HANDLE THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS DURING THE PANDEMIC.
WE, UH, YOU ADOPTED THAT, UH, BACK IN MARCH AND READOPTED IT IN MAY, AS WAS IN KEEPING WITH STATE PROCEDURE.
YOU NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPEAL IT BECAUSE THE PROTECTIONS THAT IT PROVIDED THAT ALLOWED THE COUNTY TO MEET ALL OF ITS RESIDENTS NEEDS IN THE PAST MANY MONTHS OF THE PANDEMIC, THE SITUATION HAS CHANGED.
AND IT'S APPROPRIATE NOW TO SIMPLY REPEAL THIS ORDINANCE.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU, MR. MCGEE, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY REGARDING THE ORDINANCE REPEAL? THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
PUBLIC, PUBLIC, PUBLIC HEARING.
HOW DO WE GET THEM TOO EXCITED TO GET TO THE NEXT EVENT? YES.
SO ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE REPEALED FOR OR AGAINST, OR ANY COMMENTS PLEASE COME FORWARD AND THE SAME RULES APPLY.
JUST ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES.
I DON'T, I HAVE A FEELING NOT EVERYBODY'S HERE FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
SEEING NO ONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS, NOW WE CAN, UM, GO TO WHERE I WAS MOVING ON DISCUSSION FIRST BOARD MEMBERS,
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IF ANY, MADE FOR MOTION.UM, MS. TIM, I MOVED AT THE BOARD, UH, ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE.
UH, WE REPEALING THE ORDINANCE OF THE CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS DURING THE PANDEMIC.
GO AHEAD, MR. PETERSON, HEY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO REPEAL, TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE? REPEALING MS. CHAIR.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
WE'VE WANTED TO COME OUT OF THE SITUATION A LONG, LONG TIME AGO, BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE, ESPECIALLY FOR BUSINESSES THAT ALLOWED THEM TO FUNCTION AND CHANGE A LITTLE BIT THROUGHOUT THE ORDINANCES.
SO WE'VE PAINSTAKINGLY ENSURED THAT WE'RE KEEPING FOLKS WHOLE OUT WITH THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO KEEP IN PLACE.
UH, THE GOOD THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT, SOME OF THE WAYS WE WERE ABLE TO CHANGE, BUT, UM, NOW'S THE TIME MAYBE A LITTLE LATER THAN WE LIKED, BUT YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
THANK THANK YOU, MR. SPRINGHOUSE.
ANY OTHER MR. J WE'RE NOT TO PROLONG THIS OR PYLON, BUT, UM, I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT AS WE COME OUT OF THIS ORDINANCE TO THANK THE COUNTY STAFF AND THE CITIZENS FOR ALL THEIR FORBEARANCE, FOR ALL THE BIG THINGS AND LITTLE THINGS THAT WERE DONE DURING THE PANDEMIC TO HELP THIS COUNTY, NOT ONLY SURVIVE, BUT THRIVE AND, UH, COME OUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS THING.
AND, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF UNSUNG HEROES OUT THERE.
I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON, YOUR OTHER COMMENT, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ROLL CALL VOTE.
AND DON'T FORGET TO TURN THE MIC.
THAT'S PAST AND GLAD THAT THAT'S DONE NOW, UH, TO THE SECOND PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARING OF THIS EVENING, IT'S AN REZONING APPLICATION BY YELLOWSTONE COMMUNITIES, LLC, REQUESTING THE REZONING OF
[2. 4054: District 3 - RZ-2021-00006 Application by Yellowstone Communities, LLC]
A LITTLE MORE THAN 265 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TO, TO RESIDENTIAL R THREE WITH PROPER CONDITIONS.THIS, UH, PROPERTY IS RIGHT HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA AT THE END OF SCOTT ROAD.
AND THE WAY THIS IS GOING TO WORK FOR THOSE NOT FAMILIAR ARE STAFF COUNTY FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
WHO'S GOING TO PRESENT THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICATION, MAYBE TAKE SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AND THEN THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND THEN THE BOARD WILL ASK THE APPLICANTS SOME QUESTIONS AND WE'LL GET TO A POINT THAT WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WE'RE HERE IS TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE TO DELIBERATE ON THE APPLICATION.
SO JAMIE SHERRY IS HERE FOR THE COUNTY TO PRESENT THE APPLICATION, MR. LUMPKINS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MS. HUNTER, UM, JAMIE SHERRY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
OUR FIRST, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THAT I WILL BE PRESENTING TONIGHT IS, UH, TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, THAT IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 265 ACRES HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE.
THE APPLICATION IS BY YELLOWSTONE COMMUNITIES.
UM, THE REQUEST IS TO, UH, REZONE FROM A TO AGRICULTURE LIMITED TO, UM, R THREE WITH, UM, PROFFERS TO, UH, DEVELOP A 170 LOT SUBDIVISION.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED HERE IN THE, UH, VIGILANT COURTHOUSE.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS, UM, HAS ROAD FRONTAGE ON SCOTT ROAD, RURAL HILL LANE, CEDAR POINT ROAD AND GATHWRIGHT DRIVE.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED, UM, A TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY, UM, AT THE JUNE 3RD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, THERE, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL ON A FOUR ONE VOTE AT THIS MEETING.
12 PEOPLE SPOKE, UM, AT THIS MEETING AND 11 OF THE SPEAKERS EXPRESSED OPPOSITION.
UM, DURING THIS, UH, RESIGNING PROCESS, THERE HAVE BEEN THREE EMAILS, UM, THAT STAFF HAS RECEIVED AN OPPOSITION.
SO, UM, SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION AND THOSE INCLUDE, UH, REDUCING THE NUMBER OF LOTS FROM ONE 90 TO ONE 70, INCREASING THE OPEN SPACE AREA FROM
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65 ACRES TO 97 ACRES, ADDING TURN LANE STRIPING, UH, TO ROUTE SIX AT SCOTT ROAD, RECONFIGURING SCOTT ROAD CONNECTION TO DIVERT MORE TRAFFIC TO THE REED MARSH, UH, LANE ACCESS, UH, LIMITING CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD, COMMITTING TO TIMING FOR INSTALLATION OF LANDSCAPING, BUFFERS, AND INCREASING A COMMITMENT TO STREET TREES AND BUFFER WITS.UH, THIS IS THE REVISED, UM, UH, CONCEPT PLAN.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, UH, THAT THEY HAVE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED LOTS FROM ONE 90 TO ONE 70.
UM, THERE ARE, UM, ADDITIONAL BUFFERS THAT GO FROM 50 FEET TO 75 FEET, AND I'M GOING TO POINT THOSE LOCATIONS OUT.
SO THE AREAS IN QUESTION ARE, UH, UH, BORDERING UP HERE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE HERE AS WELL.
THERE IS ADDITIONAL BUFFERS RIGHT HERE AND, UM, ALONG THIS PROPERTY LINE RIGHT HERE, THERE'S SOME RIGHT THERE AND SOME RIGHT THERE, THOSE ARE, UH, UH, THREE NEW BUFFERS AND AN INCREASE OF THE EXISTING BUFFERS THAT WERE ON THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT PLAN FROM 50 FEET TO 75 FEET.
UM, IN COMPARING THE TWO, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLANS, THE LAST ONE TO THIS ONE, THERE HA THERE HAS BEEN INCREASED, EXCUSE ME, THAT AREA GO, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE.
AND, UM, MAJORITY OF THE INCREASED BUFFER, UM, OPEN SPACE, EXCUSE ME, IS IN THIS LOCATION.
UM, AND AS I ALSO MENTIONED, THERE HAS BEEN A RECONFIGURATION OF SCOTT ROAD, UH, SCOTT ROAD, UM, IS RIGHT HERE.
NOW YOU WOULD ENTER THE PROPERTY TO GO.
UM, YOU HAVE TO ENTER, UM, THROUGH A SEPARATE ROAD THE WAY THE, UM, SCOTT ROAD CURRENTLY IS IT ACTUALLY EXTENDS HERE.
SO A PORTION OF THAT WOULD BE A SHUT DOWN AND IT WOULD BE, UM, UM, UH, DIVERTED THAT WAY, SHUT DOWN THAT PERHAPS THAT'S NOT THE CORRECT, UH, UH, TERMINOLOGY.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO, UM, PROFFERED, UM, SOME ELEVATIONS.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THEY HAVE PROFFERED ALONG WITH SOME, UM, SOME BUILDING MATERIALS.
UM, THE ENTIRE, UM, PROJECT WILL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER.
UM, THE, UM, AREA IDENTIFIED IN THE HASHED, UM, UH, AROUND THE LOTS THAT IS HASHED, UH, 66 LOCKS WILL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC SEWER.
THE REST, UM, MOSTLY IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE WILL BE SERVED BY PRIVATE SEWER.
UM, THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE GOOCHLAND COURTHOUSE SEWER SYSTEM, AND THE PROJECTED SEWER FLOWS FROM THESE PARCELS ARE INCLUDED IN THE 2020 UTILITY RIGHT MASTER PLAN.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, PROFFERED $13,781, UH, PER, UH, OF A CASH PROFFER PER RESIDENTIAL, LOT TO HELP MITIGATE THE CAPITAL IMPACTS.
UM, THIS IS LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL SERVICE AREA, UH, THROUGH THIS PROFFER, THE APPLICANT IS FULLY ADDRESSING THE CAPITAL IMPACTS PER UH, OF THIS PROPOSAL.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS I MENTIONED, UM, HAS THIS PROPERTY, THIS AREA IDENTIFIED AS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY.
THE RECOMMENDATION FOR, UM, THIS DESIGNATION IS AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF TWO ACRES.
UH, THE PROPOSED, UM, REQUEST IN FRONT OF EACH NIGHT HAS AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF ONE ACRE.
UM, DURING THE 2015 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, THERE WERE LIMITED, UM, THE RESTRAINTS ON THE SEWER CAPACITY, WHICH LIMITED DEVELOPMENT IN THE GOOCHLAND COURTHOUSE SINCE THAT TIME, UM, THE COUNTY AND THE DIRECTION DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION HAVE INCREASED SEWER CAPACITY TO SERVE THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AREA.
UM, SO, UM, THE, UH, HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO OTHER, UH, COURTHOUSE DEVELOPMENTS, THE READ MARSH, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH WAS JUST APPROVED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO HAS 64 LOTS AND AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF, UM, ONE, UH, UH, UH, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN HALF AN ACRE WITH A DENSITY OF 1.4 UNITS PER ACRE.
OH, VENICE HEIGHTS IS AN R ONE, UM, UH, ZONED PROPERTY.
THERE ARE 31 LOTS, UH, WITH AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF 1.5,
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FIVE ACRES, AND IT IS HESITANCY A 0.6, SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE.AND LASTLY, WE HAVE SWANS IN, UH, R WHICH IS AN R THREE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT IS 23.5 ACRES, UH, WITH 30 LOTS AVERAGE, A LOT SIZE FOR THAT IS A HALF AN ACRE WITH A 1.27 UNIT PER ACRE DENSITY.
UM, SO THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS IF WE HAD TAKEN THIS, UM, THIS ZONING DISTRICT AND TAKING THE, UM, THE GROSS ESTIMATE OF OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS 20% OUT, UM, AND COMPARED IT TO HOW MANY LOTS YOU WOULD GET, UM, WITH, UM, IF IT WAS DESIGNATED AS SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE, UH, THE NUMBER WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DEVELOP, UH, 533 LOTS.
UM, IF IT WAS DESIGNATED, UM, SINGLE FAMILY, MEDIUM, WHICH IS AN AVERAGE OF, UH, ONE ACRE PER LOT, IT WOULD BE, UH, TWO, UH, EXCUSE ME, UH, 213 LOTS.
AND THAT 213 IS, UH, 213 ACRES, WHICH WOULD BE DEVELOPABLE AFTER TAKING OUT THE 20%.
AND LASTLY, UM, AS IT SAYS, IGNITED NOW WITH AN AVERAGE OF TWO ACRE, LOTS, UM, LOW DENSITY, UM, SINGLE FAMILY, IT WOULD BE 107 LOTS.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THERE IS ROAD FRONTAGE ON REED MARSH LANE, SCOTT ROAD, CEDAR POINT ROAD, GATHRIGHT DRIVE RURAL HILL LANE, WHICH IS A PRIVATE ROAD AS WELL AS RIVER VALLEY LANE, WHICH IS ALSO A PRIVATE, UH, READ MARSH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WOULD PROVIDE A NEW SUBDIVISION STREET CONSTRUCTED TO BE DOT STANDARDS WITH ACCESS, UM, ONTO ROUTE SIX, UM, WITH A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION, SCOTT ROAD, CEDAR POINT ROAD AND GATHWRIGHT DRIVE ARE RESIDENTIAL STREETS WITH A MINIMUM, UH, PAVEMENT WITH, UH, SCOTT ROOT VARIES FROM APPROXIMATELY 16 TO 18 FEET.
UM, ONE LOT WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO CEDAR POINT ROAD.
UM, RURAL HILL AND RIVER VALLEY LANES ARE PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENTS THAT TRANSFERS THROUGH THE PORTIONS OF THE SITE.
UM, THESE, THESE PRIVATE ROADS, UM, UH, UM, LINK TO 13 RESIDENTS ON, UH, UH, AND PROPERTIES, UH, MOST OF RURAL HILL WOULD BE RECONFIGURED TO BECOME PART OF AN IMPROVED SUBDIVISION STREET.
AND THE TWO, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW EASY IT IS TO SEE, BUT THE TWO, UM, ROADS.
SO THIS WOULD BE, UM, RURAL HILL AS IT STANDS TODAY.
AND THIS IS HOW IT WOULD BE CONFIGURED.
UM, IT WOULD JUST BECOME PART OF THE SUBDIVISION LOT.
ACCESS FOR THAT LOT WOULD BE REMAINING.
AND THEN FOR RIVER VALLEY LANE, THIS WOULD HAVE REMAINED SUBSTANTIALLY UNCHANGED, UM, AFTER CONNECTING TO A NEW SUBDIVISION ROAD.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE HARD TO SEE.
UM, SO, UH, THIS IS SCOTT ROAD AND THIS IS RIVER VALLEY AND IT RUNS THROUGH, UH, THE URBAN SPACE AND LINKS BACK TO, UH, THE PARCELS THAT CURRENTLY LINKS TO, UM, THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD, UM, LOOK IN THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, SO RIVER ROAD WEST AT, UH, DICKINSON ROAD AND THE LIBRARY ENTRANCE IS NOT CURRENTLY OPERATING AT ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE.
UM, THE WESTBOUND LEFT, UH, THROUGH RIGHT IS OPERATING AT A D UM, LOS OF D AND THE EVENING, UH, NOTED DECLINES IN LOS ARE A RESULT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
THIS COMES FROM THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED RIVER ROAD WEST, UM, AND SANDY HOOK ROADS, REED MARSH LANE.
UM, CURRENTLY, UH, THE OVERALL INTERSECTION IS CURRENTLY, UM, OPERATING AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE B AND WITH THIS PROPOSAL WOULD BE AT A, UM, UH, C EASTBOUND, UH, UH, LEFT WOULD BE, UH, FROM A C TO A D WESTBOUND, UH, THROUGH RIGHT, WOULD BE FROM A BEACH OF A C.
AND THE NORTHBOUND THREE WOULD BE FROM A B TO H SEE, UM, THROUGH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UM, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION BASED ON V DOT STANDARD PROJECTED TRAFFIC VOLUMES, WEREN'T, UH, UH, NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE AND A SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE ON RIVER ROAD AT SCOTT ROAD, UM, UH, PROPOSED TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, PROFFERED, UH, AN, A TURN LANE, UM, THAT IT WILL BE STRIPED ON SIX ON ROUTE SIX AND, UH, SCOTT ROAD, SIMILAR TO HOW IT'S STRIPED, UM, RIGHT ON, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE LIBRARY ENTRANCE.
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AND THIS IS A, UM, AN EXAMPLE, UH, AN EXHIBIT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED, UM, UH, CONCERNS OR CHANGES THAT COULD IMPROVE THE APPLICATION.UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION, UH, FOR TRAFFIC.
THE APPLICATION WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC ON PUBLIC ROADS, ESPECIALLY SCOTT ROAD, UM, RURAL HILL LANE, THE RELOCATION AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE ACCESS EASEMENT IMPACTS OF BUDDING PROPERTY OWNERS, WHICH UTILIZE AND WILL CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THESE ACCESS.
UM, THERE ARE TRAILS THAT ARE, UM, WITHIN THE, UH, PROJECT, THERE IS NO COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY OF THESE TRAILS.
AND, UH, LASTLY THERE ARE FLAG LOTS WITHIN THE, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD ON APRIL 15TH OF THIS YEAR, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEMBERS, MR. SPOON, HOWARD, MR. LUMPKINS TH UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER, MR. MEYERS, AND APPROXIMATELY 50 PEOPLE IN STAFF WERE IN ATTENDANCE.
OUR CONCERNS WITH THE ROAD AND TRAFFIC INCLUDED THE WIDTH OF SCOTT ROAD, CURB CUTS SAFETY, INCREASED TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD, UH, UH, UM, REROUTING RIVERVIEW LANE, DISTRIBUTION OF TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IMPACTS TO FAIRGROUND AND OTHER ROADS.
UM, OTHER MATTERS INCLUDED DENSITY, UM, IMPACTS TO SCHOOL, INTERNET SERVICE SPACE AND BUFFERING PROVIDING USABLE GREEN SPACE, STORM, WATER MANAGEMENT, AND SEDIMENT, SEDIMENT, AND PONDS, WETLANDS, CONSTRUCTION HOURS, AND CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC NOTIFICATION OF THE PERSPECTIVE RESIDENTS WITHIN, UM, THE NEW REED MARSH SUBDIVISION, UM, PUBLIC WATER, AND SEWER AND PROJECTED FREIGHT, UH, PHASING THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, UH, READS, UH, THAT THE PROPERTY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THIS CASE.
UH, THE PROVERS IN FRONT OF YOU ARE THE, UM, UH, RED LINE TO SHARE THE CHANGES SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO ANYTHING THAT YOU'LL SEE UNDERLYING IS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THE PROPERTY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
IN THIS CASE, THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DEVELOPED IN GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE, UM, EXHIBIT ENTITLED RURAL HILL ON THE JANE'S CONCEPTUAL PLAN BY YOUNGBLOOD, TYLER AND ASSOCIATES, EXCUSE ME, DATED JUNE 25TH, 2021 ATTACHED HERE IN AS EXHIBIT A, THE EXACT LOCATION, FOOTPRINTS, CONFIGURATION SIZE DETAIL OF THE LOTS DRIVE ROADS, AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN ARE ILLUSTRATIVE AND MAYBE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND MAYBE UPDATED FROM TIME TO TIME AS REQUIRED FOR THE FINAL ENGINEERING DESIGN COMPLIANCE WITH GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS OR OTHERWISE APPROVED AT THE TIME OF SUBDIVISION REVIEW.
UH, UM, FORGIVE ME, I'M NOT GOING TO PROBABLY READ THROUGH ALL OF THEM IN DETAIL, BUT I DID WANT TO READ THIS ONE BECAUSE STAFF IS CONCERNED ON THAT, THE WAY THIS PROFFER READS THERE'S TOO MUCH FLEXIBILITY, UM, AND, AND, AND ABLE TO, AND STAFF'S ABILITY TO HOLD THEM TO, UM, DEVELOP AS PRESENTED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UM, SO I, UM, WHEN I HAD THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN PULLED UP, I DID IDENTIFY, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, BUFFERS THAT WERE BEING INCREASED.
UM, THOSE ALONG GATHWRIGHT DRIVE AND SCOTT ROAD, UM, A NATURAL BUFFER.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO AN IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN.
UM, IT ALSO SAYS THAT, UM, WERE, UM, WERE INSUFFICIENT, UH, UM, VEGETATION CURRENTLY EXISTS.
THEY ARE COMMITTED TO, UM, UM, UM, IMPROVING THAT WITH ADDITIONAL, UH, LANDSCAPING.
UM, THERE IS A NEW LANDSCAPING BUFFER, UM, THAT I POINTED OUT OF THE, ON THE PLAN WITH, UM, 50 FEET OF, UM, OF A BUFFER, UH, SAME WITH THESE.
THIS IS, THESE ARE ALL, SOME OF THE, UM, BUFFERS.
THESE ARE THE NEW THREE NEW BUFFERS THAT IDENTIFIED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
UH, AND THEN, UH, UNDER NUMBER, UH, LETTER G UH, LANDSCAPING, THE BUFFER AS DESCRIBED ABOVE SHALL HAVE, UM, INSTALLED, SHALL BE INSTALLED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ANY OF THE LOTS OF JOINING THE BUFFER.
SO THAT IS A COMMITMENT FROM THE APPLICANT TO DO SO, UM, DENSITY, UH, THEY HAVE DROPPED THE DENSITY SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HAVE NO MORE THAN 170 SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LA, UH, UNITS.
UM, THEY HAD PROVIDED THE ELEVATIONS THAT I, UM, PROVIDED IN PRESENTATION, UH, WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, AS FAR AS WHAT THE APPEARANCE WILL LOOK LIKE.
UM, THEY HAVE, UH, PROFFERED AMENITIES, UH, AND, UH,
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THE PEDESTRIAN TRAILS, UM, WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OF AN ASPHALT MINIMUM OF FOUR ACRE, FOUR INCH AND WIDTH.UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WILL BE A 2000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, PAVILION, PEDESTRIAN TRAILS, AND A DOCK, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE, WITH THE POND.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO SIDEWALKS.
UM, LET'S SEE, UM, UH, SIDEWALKS, WHICH WILL BE, UH, FOUR FEET WIDE AND THE LOCATED ALONG SELECTED STREETS THROUGHOUT THE, UM, THE SITE, UM, RIVER VALLEY LANE, AS I MENTIONED, SHALL REMAIN IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION AND A V DOT APPROVED ENTRANCE SHALL BE ADDED, UM, SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED AT THE INTERSECTION, UH, WITH, UM, SCOTT ROAD, UM, PROTECTIVE COVENANTS, UH, THE, UM, UH, AMENITIES AND OPEN SPACE WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, ALSO RESTRICTED THE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION FROM 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM.
UM, MONDAY THROUGH, UM, THROUGH SATURDAY, THERE IS AN EXCEPTION IN THERE, UM, WITH, UH, FOR CONCRETE PORES OR, UM, OTHER UTILITY CONNECTIONS THAT ARE TIME SENSITIVE.
UM, AS I MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, THE APPLICANT IS PROFFERING A CASH PROFFER OF $13,781 TO OFFSET THE CAPITAL IMPACTS OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, THERE ARE, UM, MATERIALS, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE FACADES, UM, THAT, UM, THAT ARE, ARE PROFFERED.
UM, AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEM IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM, STREET TREES, A MINIMUM OF TWO STREET TREES MEASURING A MINIMUM OF TWO INCHES, UH, SHALL BE PLANTED IN EACH OF THE FRONT YARDS OF THE PROPOSE LOTS.
UM, LET'S SEE, UH, THE ENTRANCE FEATURE, THERE WILL BE AN ENTRANCE FEATURE CONTAINING A MONUMENT SIMILAR TO OTHER MONUMENTS, UH, SHOWN IN THE EXHIBIT, UH, RURAL HILL ON THE JAMES, A MONUMENT AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO A LANDSCAPE PLAN DURING THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE THEY APPLICANT HAS, UM, UH, UH, AGREED TO THE RIVER ROAD RE STRIPING, UM, AND, UH, STAFF DOES HAVE A COMMENT, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE, UM, COMMITTING TO THIS, THERE IS NO, UH, TIMELINE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UH, NUMBER 16, PROFFER, THEY WILL BE, UM, PROVIDING UTILITIES UNDERGROUND.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT VISUAL, UM, PORTIONS OF THE FOUNDATION SHALL BE MADE OF BRICK.
UM, THEY'VE ALSO COMMITTED TO A 25 YEAR WARRANTY TO ALL ROOFING MATERIALS AND THAT DRIVEWAYS, UM, WILL BE MADE OF BRICK, UM, COBBLESTONE OR SIMILAR PAVERS, UH, CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, UM, DURING THE EARTH MOVING PORTION OF THE, UM, OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, THE, UH, THOSE, UH, CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE REED MARSH, UM, REED MARSH LANE, ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, UM, ONLY, UH, THEN THIS DOES THIS ONLY APPLIES TO THE EARTH MOVING ANY KIND OF, UM, HOME BUILDING PURPOSES, UH, VEHICLES CAN, UM, UM, ACCESS THROUGH SCOTT ROAD, UM, SEVERANCE.
UH, THIS IS THE LAST PROPER, UH, SEVERANCE, THE UNENFORCEABILITY ELIMINATION RE UM, REVISION OR AMENDMENT OF ANY PROFFER SET FORTH IN WHOLE, OR IN PART SHALL NOT AFFECT THE VALIDITY OR ENFORCEABILITY OF THE OTHER PROFFERS OR UNAFFECTED PART OF ANY SUCH PROFFER.
UM, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS ADVISED AGAINST ACCEPTING THIS PROFFER BECAUSE IT COULD RESULT IN CERTAIN PROFFERS THAT THE BOARD IS RELYING ON BEING REMOVED FROM THE CASE.
SO THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MISS SHERRY BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? YES MA'AM.
UM, ALL RIGHT, MICHELLE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO YOU WERE COMPARING THE DENSITY TO OTHER DEVELOPERS WITHIN THE COURTHOUSE AREA.
DID YOU GO BACK AND PULL THAT BACK UP FOR ME? I DIDN'T GET US.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN OUR BOARD PACKET.
UM, SO, UM, AT LEAST I HAD, CAN YOU CLICK ON THE SLIDESHOW? UM, YES.
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UM, THE, UH, UM, SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE COMPARED, IS THAT, IS THAT THE, UM, WHEN YOU JUST HAD, YEAH, SO CLICK IT THREE TIMES RIGHT AWAY SO THAT IT HAS, FOR SOME REASON IT DEVELOPED IN A, UH, WAIT A MINUTE.IT WAS JUST SORT OF, UH, IT JUST TURNED OUT THAT WAY.
UM, YES, MA'AM, I'M SORRY, BUT YEAH, THESE ARE THE, UM, THE THREE THAT I PULLED FROM THE COURTHOUSE.
AND SO, UM, AND WHAT ARE THE WOMEN, LET ME GET THIS, UH, 23, I'M SORRY.
AND WHAT IS THIS PROPOSED AT THIS POINT? UM, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE THAT THIS REQUEST IS FOR ONE ACRE, LOTS WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR A MINIMUM OF AN AVERAGE OF TWO ACRE LOTS.
SO THIS IS AN AVERAGE OF ONE PER ACRE.
SO THAT'S ALSO THE AVERAGE LOSS AT LOT SIZE, RIGHT? YES.
THAT WOULD BE THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT'S, SO IT'D BE, IT WOULD ALSO BE ONE HOME PER ACRE.
AND, AND, AND THE AVERAGE THAT WE DID, UM, WAS, UM, KIND OF, UH, AT AN AGGREGATE, WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THE PROPERTY AND, UH, TOOK OUT THE, UM, THE OPEN SPACE AND THE, UM, THEY REQUIRED, UM, OPEN SPACE AND THEN, UH, TOOK THE, UH, THAT NUMBER AND THEN PRODUCE THE AVERAGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
GO AHEAD AND REPEAT THAT QUESTION.
ARE THE OF THE AVERAGES NET OF OPEN SPACE OR INCLUDING OPEN SPACE AND NOT INCLUDING THE OPEN SPACE? NOT INCLUDING, NOT INCLUDING IT, THE OPEN SPACE BEFORE WE DID THE CALCULATION OF DEBTS.
SO COME FORWARD, ANDREW SHOULD SAY, Y'ALL START TO PDF.
THIS IS OUR POINT FORWARD WRITTEN AT YOUR LITTLE REACT TOGETHER.
UH, ANDREW BROWNING, 9 2 6 STONE CASTLE DRIVE, DUGAL, VIRGINIA, UH, WITH YOUNG BLOOD TOLERANT ASSOCIATES HERE REPRESENTING A YELLOWSTONE COMMUNITIES.
UH, MS. SHERRY DID A GREAT JOB PRESENTING THE CASE.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS IN COMMON IN THEIR PRESENTATION.
SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF SKIP TO SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS AND SAVE SOME TIME AT THE END FOR REBUTTAL.
HERE'S A COUPLE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES OF THE CURRENT TOWERS, RURAL HILL FARM.
UH, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING SITE.
UH, IT'S EIGHT SEPARATE PARCELS, ABOUT 264, 265 ACRES, UH, ACCESS ON SCOTT ROAD, GATHWRIGHT ROAD, CEDAR POINT ROAD ABOUT A HUNDRED ACRES OF IT IS CURRENTLY OPEN WITH ABOUT 159 WOODED AND ABOUT FIVE ACRES AND THREE SMALL FARM PONDS, UH, HAVE CONTAINED TOWERS RESIDENTS AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED 82.
UH, THIS IS OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A WALKABLE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, ACTIVE LIFESTYLE COMMUNITY, UH, PROPOSING R THREE ZONING, 170 LOTS LOT SIZES WILL RANGE FROM A HALF AN ACRE TO FOUR ACRES, APPROXIMATELY 97 ACRES OF THE SITE, WHICH IS 30% 37% OF THE SITE WOULD BE OPEN SPACE.
A PRIMARY ROAD ACCESS WOULD BE FROM REED MARSH AND THE SECONDARY WOULD BE FROM SCOTT ROAD.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A MIXTURE OF CURB AND GUTTER AND DID SECTION ROADS.
THE, UH, THE ROADS WITH A SMALLER LOTS THAT ARE SERVED BY BOTH PUBLIC UTILITIES WOULD BE CURB AND GUTTER STREETS.
AND THEN WE WOULD TRANSITION INTO A DITCH SECTION ROAD.
ONCE WE GOT BACK TO THE LARGER ESTATE, LOTS,
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UH, WE PROFFERED TO STREET TREES, A MINIMUM OF EACH FRONT YARD.UH, ALMOST ALL THE STREAMS AND WETLANDS ON SITE WILL BE PRESERVED.
AND THE EXISTENCE STORMWATER OF THE EXISTING PONDS WILL BE CONVERTED TO STORMWATER BASINS, AND IT WOULD BE AN AMENITY, UH, SOMEONE, THE OTHER AMENITIES IN THE PROJECT WE'RE PROPOSING MORE THAN TWO MILES OF WALKING TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS.
THERE'LL BE A SIDEWALK CONNECTION BACK OUT TO REED MARSH, WHICH WOULD GET YOU TO THE SIDEWALK TRAILS WITHIN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, UH, PAVILION RECREATION AREAS, THREE PONDS, FISHING DOCK, HAMMOCK GARDEN, UH, UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, YOU HEARD WE WERE PROPOSING PUBLIC WATER THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS SECTION OF THE SITE WOULD BE PUBLIC SEWER, WHICH WAS GRAVITY SERVED BACK TO REED MARSHES PUMP STATION.
UH, WE WOULD BRING A NEW 12 INCH WATERLINE DOWN SCOTT ROAD, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE FIRE PROTECTION TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA.
NOW THERE'S CURRENTLY NO FIRE HYDRANTS WITHIN VENICE HEIGHTS, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE APPROXIMATELY 69 LOTS WOULD CONNECT TO THE PUBLIC SEWER.
UH, THIS IS SLIDE SHOWS THAT PROPOSED BUFFERS I'M GOING TO SKIP AHEAD.
SO THE BUFFERS THAT WE PROPOSED, AGAIN, THOSE AT 75 FOOT BUFFER ALONG SCOTT ROAD, 75 FOOT BUFFER ALONG GATHWRIGHT, A 50 FOOT BUFFER IN THE REAR OF MRS. JENKINS, A 50 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE MORE PROPERTY, A 50 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE DONOVAN PROPERTY AND A 50 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE LAWTON PROPERTY AND IN THE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE FIELDS AND OUR INADEQUATE MEDICATE VEGETATION, WE'RE GOING TO GO IN AND LANDSCAPE WITH SOME EVERGREENS.
AND THEN ALONG SCOTT ROAD, WE PROFFERED A LANDSCAPE EXHIBIT OF HOW THAT WOULD BE LANDSCAPED.
THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS THE, UH, TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE AT SCOTT ROAD AND RIVER ROAD WEST.
AND I'LL JUST POINT OUT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT RURAL HILL WAS ZONED OR NOT.
THESE TURN LANES WOULD BE WARRANTED BY THE TRAFFIC STUDY AT THAT POINT, REGARDLESS OF RURAL HILL, THESE ARE SOME ELEVATIONS THAT WE PROFFERED AN EXAMPLE ELEVATIONS OF THE PROJECT.
UH, HOUSES WOULD BE A MIXTURE OF ARTS AND CRAFTS FARMHOUSE, MODERN GEORGIAN COLONIAL, UH, EUROPEAN HOME SIZES WOULD RANGE FROM ABOUT 2,500 SQUARE FEET TO 6,500 SQUARE FEET.
WITH AN AVERAGE OF 3,200 SQUARE FEET PRICES WOULD RANGE FROM ABOUT 600,000 TO 2 MILLION THAT YOU MAYBE GET BACK ALONG THE RIVER WITH AN AVERAGE HOME PRICE AROUND SIX 50 TO SEVEN 50.
UH, IN ADDITION, WE, WE PROFFERED, UH, A LOT OF STANDARDS, UH, REGARDING ELEVATIONS SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, EXTERIOR FOR SOLID FOUNDATIONS, ROOF MATERIALS, AND DRIVEWAYS BENEFITS TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY, UH, QUALITY TO DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, CLOSE TO THE SCHOOL LIBRARY YMC, UH, REDUCE URBAN SPRAWL INTO RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTY, UH, ADDED ROOFTOPS TO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESS OVER TWO MILES OF ADDED TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE COURTHOUSE CONNECTION TO PUBLIC UTILITIES, EXPANSION OF HIGH-SPEED INTERNET, SOME FINANCIAL BENEFITS.
THE DEVELOPER AGREES TO PAINT A FULL CASH PROFFER, WHICH ASSUMING 170 LOTS WOULD QUITE A LITTLE OVER $2.3 MILLION OF ALLOCATED A FUTURE ROAD.
SCHOOLS, PARKS ASSUMING 170 LOTS WITH ALL ON PUBLIC WATER AND 69 ON PUBLIC SEWER, UH, WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEES WILL GENERATE A LITTLE OVER $1.1 MILLION.
AND BASED ON AN AVERAGE HOME VALUE OF $650,585,000 A YEAR IN REAL ESTATE TAXES, UH, COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, THE DEVELOPER HAD TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
IN ADDITION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, AS WELL AS I MET ONE-ON-ONE WITH A LOT OF THE EFFECTED NEIGHBORS, THE MAJOR TOPICS OF DISCUSSION WERE ALWAYS DENSITY, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, COMPLIANCE, SCOTT ROAD, BUFFERS, AND PRESERVATION OF THE VIEW SHEET DENSITY AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPLIANCE.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
UH, AGAIN, TOWER SITE IS HERE SHOWN IN THE YELLOW AREA, WHICH DESIGNATED AS LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTIES IN THE COURTHOUSE, VILLAGE AND AREA DESIGNATED FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SINCE AT LEAST 1980, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER 40 YEARS.
THE COMP PLAN ESTABLISHES TWO MAJOR VILLAGES, CENTERVILLE, AND THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
CURRENTLY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I MENTIONED DESIGNATED AS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WITH AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE, A TWO ACRE, WHICH IS A CORRESPONDING DENSITY OF ABOUT HALF A UNIT.
AND THE PROPOSED ZONING IS R THREE PROPOSED DENSITY IS 0.6, FOUR UNITS AN ACRE.
UH, HOWEVER, AT THE TIME, THE CONCEPT OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS PREPARED.
NO ADDITIONAL SEWER CAPACITY EXISTED IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
SO THIS LAND USE DESIGNATION ASSUME THERE WOULD BE ONSITE DRAIN FIELDS PROVISIONS WERE MADE WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ALLOW FOR HIGHER
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DENSITIES.IF WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY WERE TO COME AVAILABLE, RECENT UPGRADES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND THE UPSIZING OF THE VALLEY VIEW FORCE MAIN WITH REED MARSH HAVE MADE MORE SEWER CAPACITY AVAILABLE.
CHAPTER TWO, PAGE FOUR, PARAGRAPH TWO OF THE COMP PLAN STATES MAJOR VILLAGES HAVE EXISTED IN UTILITY SERVICES OR PLANS TO EXPAND UTILITY SERVICES IN THE FUTURE.
THESE AREAS SERVE AS DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS WHERE NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED AND CONCENTRATED THE AMOUNT AND RATE OF GROWTH THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WILL VARY DEPENDING ON THE CAPACITY OF PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER.
IN ADDITION, CHAPTER TWO, PAGE FOUR, PARAGRAPH FOUR STATES, MAJOR VILLAGES ARE LOGICAL LOCATION FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS IN THE COUNTY AND ARE APPROPRIATE AREAS FOR GREATER VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND DENSITIES BASED ON THE AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC UTILITIES IN THIS AREA SHOULD BE DESIGNATED AS MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THE COMP PLANS DEFINES MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL AS SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES WITH AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF ONE ACRE, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE.
THIS CLASSIFICATION GENERALLY CORRESPONDS TO R ONE R THREE ZONING DISTRICTS.
ALL OF THESE EXAMPLES POINTS 0.2, THE ALLOWANCE OF HIGHER DENSITY WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC UTILITIES WITHIN THE MAJOR VILLAGE.
THEREFORE THE PROPOSED ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND DENSITY DO COMPLY WITH THE INTENT OF THE 2035 PLAN.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ALSO GIVES COMPLIANCE IN RELATION TO ROAD CONNECTIONS.
REED MARSHALL LANE WILL SERVE AS A NORTHWEST AND NORTH SOUTH, SORRY, CONNECTION TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
WE PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL NORTHERN STUB ROAD THAT WOULDN'T LINE UP WITH THE SECONDARY CONNECTION AND REMARKS FROM THE FUTURE, UH, EAST WEST CONNECTION FROM SCOTT ROAD WITH A STOPE ROAD OUT TO CEDAR POINT, IF SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE THAT WAS IMPROVED.
UH, MS. SHERRY POINTED THIS OUT, WE HAD THIS IN THEIR SLIDES AS WELL.
JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, VENICE HEIGHTS AGAIN HAS 31, LOTS AND 48 ACRES IS A DENSITY OF 0.65 UNITS AN ACRE.
SO THEIR AVERAGE LOT SIZE WAS A LITTLE BIGGER, BUT THE DENSITY IS ACTUALLY MORE A SWANS IN, AGAIN, 1.27 UNITS, AN ACRE READ MARSH 1.1, FOUR UNITS, AN ACRE AND RURAL HILL.
UH, SO THE DENSITY OF RURAL HILLS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AND IS LESS DENSE THAN ANY OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
CITIZEN FEEDBACK, UH, ON SCOTT ROAD, THE INITIAL ACCESS TO THE PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE PROVIDED FROM SCOTT AND GATHWRIGHT ROAD.
UH, AFTER WE SPOKE WITH THE CITIZENS WE PURSUED TO IMPROVE SCOTT ROAD, SCOTT ROAD WAS FOUND TO HAVE A 40 FOOT RIGHT AWAY IN, IN VARYING PAYMENT WITS.
WE WOULD NEED RIGHT AWAY IN EASEMENTS TO IMPROVE THE ROAD.
WE COULD NOT GET THE RESIDENTS TO AGREE TO DEDICATE OR SELL ANY RIGHT AWAY OR EASEMENTS TO, UH, ALLOW FOR THAT.
SO THEN WE WENT AND CONTRACTED THE PURCHASE, THE FLEMING PARCEL AND NEGOTIATED A CONNECTION TO READ MARSHALL LANE TO ACCESS THE REED MARSH SCOTT ROAD WILL NOW BE THE SECONDARY ACCESS POINT WITH 70% OF THE TRAFFIC EXITED THROUGH READ MARSH.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE ON THE LEFT IS THE LAYOUT WE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE RIGHT IS THE CURRENT LAYOUT.
UH, SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEVERAL OF THE CHANGES WERE MADE TO ADDRESS SCOTT ROAD.
WE REVISE THE PLAN TO ELIMINATE SCOTT ROAD FROM BEING STRAIGHT THROUGH.
WE ADDED A COL-DE-SAC JUST BEYOND RIVER VALLEY LANE.
WE ALSO HAVE PROFFERED AND AGREED TO PERVERT RIVER VALLEY LANE IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION AND ADDED OPEN SPACE IN THIS AREA.
AND IT, AND AFTER WE PUT THESE TURNS IN AN EFFORT TO DIVERT TRAFFIC BACK OUT THROUGH REMARK.
SO NOW YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE TWO OR THREE EXTRA TURNS THAT COME OUT THROUGH SCOTT ROAD.
UH, WE ALSO PROFFERED THE TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AT THE END OF SCOTT ROAD AND RIVER ROAD WEST.
AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED A PROFFER TO ADDRESS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
UH, THESE ARE SOME OTHER CHANGES I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE MADE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN, IN, IN TALKING TO THE CITIZENS WE ADD, WE INCREASED THE 50 FOOT BUFFER LONG GATHWRIGHT TO 75 FOOT WITH SUPPLEMENTAL EVERGREEN PLANNINGS, 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG SCOTT ROAD TO 75 FOOT WITH PROFIT LANDSCAPE EXHIBIT.
UH, WE INCREASED THE 25 FOOT BUFFER ALONG MRS. JENKINS PROPERTY, THE 50 FOOT WITH SOME SUPPLEMENTAL PLANNINGS.
WE ADDED THE BUFFERS ADJACENT TO THE MORE DONE OF IT.
WE RECONFIGURED SCOTT ROAD TO ADD OPEN SPACE, AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC DETERRENT.
THE OPEN-SPACE INCREASE FROM 65 ACRES ACTUALLY DID 97 ACRES AND THE LOT REDUCED FROM 190 TO A HUNDRED, 170.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M HERE WITH, UH, ANN HORNER FROM YOUNGBLOOD.
CARRIE HUTCHINSON IS THE ATTORNEY FROM RUDY COINER AND ALSO
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THANK YOU, MR. BROWN, UM, BOARD MEMBERS QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.UH, ONE OF THE PROFFERS AND I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN THE NUMBER IS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH READ MARSH.
AND THAT IS ONLY THE EXCAVATION, THE DIRT MOVING.
THAT'S NOT THE CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S NOT THE TRUSSES AND THE BRICK AND ALL THOSE SORT OF, NONE OF THOSE HEAVY TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE ROUTED THROUGH.
YES, WE ARE PROFFER STATES THAT THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC MAJOR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC SITE CONSTRUCTION WOULD COME THROUGH REED MARSH.
WE DO HAVE TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN SCOTT ROAD.
WE HAVE TO LAY THE WATER LINE DOWN SCOTT ROAD, WHICH IS GOING TO PROBABLY BE IN A LANE OF SCOTT ROAD.
SO THERE WILL BE SOME CONSTRUCTION IN THE ROAD.
SO WE COULDN'T PROFFER OUT THAT.
SO WE HAD TO ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, WORK WITHIN SCOTT ROAD ITSELF.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, I MEAN THAT ON ONE SIDE, YES, IT DOES.
BUT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS AN EXTRA HEAVY TRUCKS COMING OUT AT THAT INTERSECTION ON SCOTT AND RIVER ROAD WEST, RIGHT.
SO WE PROFFERED EARTH MOVING EQUIPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES RELATED TO CLEARING GRADING, UTILITY INSTALLATION AND ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROPERTY.
SO ACCESS FROM REED MARSH LANE AND NOT ACCESS THE PROPERTY FROM SCOTT ROAD.
THIS PROFFER SHALL NOT APPLY TO VEHICLES USED FOR HOME BUILDING PURPOSES OR VEHICLES AND CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT NEEDING NEEDED FULL REQUIRED CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN OR RELATED TO SCOTT ROAD.
SO YOU COULD HAVE EXTRA HEAVY VEHICLES, UH, BRINGING IN TRUSSES, BRICK, DOING A WELL DRILLING WELL DRILLING.
NO THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE WATER, BUT, UM, THE SEPTIC SERVICE, I'M JUST THINKING OF THE BIG HEAVY TRUCKS COMING IN AT THAT INTERSECTION.
MA'AM I GUESS IT IS PROFIT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT BRICK TRUCKS OR THAT TYPE OF THING.
ANY QUESTIONS? UM, MR. BROWNIE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOWED THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UH, AND JUST NOW I THINK, I THINK THIS CHANGE WAS MADE SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS TO TRAFFIC SOFTENING IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO REDIRECT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC IN THE, IN THE SOUTHERN AND, UH, PART OF THE PROPERTY AWAY FROM SCOTT ROAD.
SO YOU'VE MADE IT, SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER TURN AND WHATNOT THERE ON THE CURRENT LAYOUT.
BUT, BUT DOESN'T THAT PROMISE ALL JUST KIND OF VANISH WITH YOUR PROPER NUMBER, YOUR PROPER NUMBER ONE, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THE PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION SHALL BE DEVELOPED IN GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY, AND, AND STAFF POINTED THIS OUT AND IT WAS JUMPED OUT AT, I THINK, AT ALL OF US, BUT IT GOES ON TO SAY THE EXACT LOCATIONS, FOOTPRINTS, CONFIGURATION SIZE AND DETAILS OF THE LODGE DRIVES ROADS AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, SONAR SHOWN ON THE PLAN ARE ILLUSTRATIVE AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
I MEAN, WHY SHOULD WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE CHANGE IN THE LAYOUT? SO THAT WAS A SIMILAR PROPERTY THAT WE USE IN REED MARSH.
I MEAN, WE CAN STRENGTHEN THE LANGUAGE TO GO WITH THIS PLAN.
I WILL SAY WE HAVE TO GET A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL AFTER ZONING, WHICH WOULD, WHICH ESSENTIALLY APPROVES THE LOT LAYOUT AND CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING AS IT GOES THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THERE IS ANOTHER APPROVAL THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, SHOW THAT THIS WAS CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WE COULD STRENGTHEN THAT LANGUAGE.
THAT WAS JUST, LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE WE USE SIMILAR IN READ MARSH, WELL, STAFF ALERTED YOU TO THEIR CONCERN THAT YOU KNEW YOU DID.
YOU KNEW THAT THE CAUTION THAT STAFF PROVIDED US WAS COMING TONIGHT, DIDN'T YOU? YES.
IT WAS KIND OF LATE IN THE PROCESS, BUT WE DID, I DID SEE THEIR COMMENTS TO THAT.
UM, AND MAYBE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WOULD BE FOR STAFF.
I MEAN, MS. HUNTER, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT HE JUST SAID ABOUT THE SUBSEQUENT PROCEDURES? UM, TURN ON, TURN OFF NEWBIE.
UM, SO THIS WILL GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR, UM, CON UH, PLAT REVIEW.
HOWEVER, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S JUST AN ACTION ITEM BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, WE DO TYPICALLY HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM IN A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT THEY CAN MAKE MINOR MODIFICATIONS.
UH, BUT THIS ONE JUST SEEMED VERY OPEN THAT THEY COULD MAKE ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF CHANGES.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE COULD SUGGEST SOME OTHER LANGUAGE OR, UM, YOU KNOW, PULL SOME OTHER LANGUAGES THAT, THAT MAY PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE COMFORT IN THE APPLICANT IS INTERESTED IN.
OUR INTENT IS JUST TO NOT TO LOCK US DOWN, IF SOMETHING COMES UP IN THE ENGINEER AND, YOU
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KNOW, THAT TYPE OF DESIGN THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO SATISFY OTHER ISSUES.I MEAN, I I'VE WALKED THE PROPERTY SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE YEARS AS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT DEVELOPED AND BEING DEVELOPED.
AND YOU HAVE SOME TOP TOPOGRAPHICAL CHALLENGES I RECOGNIZE.
SO I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T WANT TO BE PINNED IN WHEN YOU GET INTO SOMETHING AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING IN THE SOILS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT THINGS LIKE, I MEAN, TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THERE WAS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT THERE'S THIS, UH, CAVEAT OR CAUTION THAT YOU HAVE IN HERE KIND OF SEEMS TO TAKE AWAY THE COMMITMENT, AT LEAST FROM A LEGAL, I KNOW YOU MAYBE HAVE DIFFERENT INTENTIONS, BUT WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT ONE, I THINK.
BUT, UH, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ALL THE TIME.
WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU MR. CHAIR.
BUT WHEN IT SAYS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, I GUESS IT'S A, THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF MATERIALITY TEST, SOME THRESHOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD GIVE ME MORE COMFORT AGAINST A PROFFER.
SO YOU NEED TO OFFER IT, BUT SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES THE MATERIALITY DIFFERENCE, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO PROVE SOMETHING THAT IS MATERIALLY CHANGED THAT WE FIND OUT LATER.
WELL, THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I'M SURE YOU CAN FIGURE OUT SOMETHING, BUT WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH FOR ME TO LOOK AT IT FAVORABLY, IT SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF MATERIALITY THING LET'S SEE HERE.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO SOME OTHER LANGUAGE TO MAKE IT STRONGER TO THIS PROPHET COMMITTING TO THE CONCEPT.
SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD AT THIS POINT IS THE TIMING ON THE RIVER, A RIVER ROAD WEST SCOTT ROAD THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY STAFF AS WELL.
I THINK THAT THE TIMELINE FOR THAT W WHAT, WHAT DO YOU PROJECT? SO, I MEAN, WE CAN, WE COULD ADD, UH, WE COULD ADD SOME THRESHOLD AS, AND WHEN WE HAD TO DO THAT, UH, MAYBE WE TIE IT TO A CERTAIN CEO OR BUILDING PERMIT, OR WHEN WE CONNECT BACK OUT THE SCOTT ROAD, OR, YEAH, I THINK THE IDEA IS TO DEAL WITH THAT WHEN YOU START THAT BACK, PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MORE IS MORE LIKELY TO IMPACT IT WOULD COME OUT OF REED MARSH AND UTILIZE THE SEWER AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN CONNECTION OUT THROUGH THERE.
BUT WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO SOME OF THE BACK LOTS, I THINK, SOON TO GET TO SOME OF THE LARGER STATE LOTS.
SO YEAH, WE COULD, UH, THAT SHOULD BE WHEN IT'S DONE AND WE CAN TRY TO ADD SOME PROFFER OR CEO OR TO TIE THAT TO.
YEAH, WE, WE TYPICALLY ALSO ASK, UH, APPLICANTS W WHAT THE PRICE RANGE THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING, BUT IN THIS MARKET, UH, OH, I SAW, I SAW THE NUMBER YOU PUT IN, IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT THE COMMITMENT IS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR, OR WHAT? SO THE, THE, THE LOTS IN THE FRONT THAT ARE ON PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, THE SMALLER LOTS WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO READ MARSH, UH, AND THE HOMES ARE SELLING IN THERE AND THE SIXES.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE EXPECTING, YOU KNOW, HOUSES FROM 600 TO A COUPLE MILLION, JUST TO GET BACK TO THE RIVER WITH AN AVERAGE HOUSE OF SIX 50 OR SEVEN 50.
SO THOSE HOUSES WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO READ MARSH IN THAT PRICE RANGE.
UH, AND THEN AS YOU, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GOT TO THE LARGER STATE LINES, THAT WOULD GO UP, WHO'S THE BUILDER AND THE BUILDER AND REED MARSH IS, IS BOONE HOME.
REMEMBER? YEAH, BUT YOU HAVE MULTIPLE RIGHT NOW, THE PLAN IS MULTIPLE BUILDERS IN THIS.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY BUILDINGS ON BOARD.
UH, MR. GREG WHITE OWNS COVENANT BUILDING AND HE DESIGNS.
SO CERTAINLY HE'S GOING TO BUILD SOME, UH, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE BUILDERS PICKED YET FOR THE FULL, THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION.
AS YOU GET BACK TO THE ESTATE LIVES, IT'S GOING TO BE A MIX OF, YOU KNOW, CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE TIME TO, YOU KNOW, ASK THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE COLOR ON THE STAFF COMMENTS, WHERE THEY HAD CONCERNS OR ISSUES.
THIS MAY BE A GOOD TIME TO DRIVE.
WE DID THAT ON THE, I THINK ON THE PROFFER.
NUMBER ONE, THE, UH, THE PLAN WE, YOU TOUCHED ON THE TIMELINESS, I THINK WAS NUMBER 16.
UM, COULD YOU ALSO TOUCH, AND THIS IS PROBABLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO A RUGBY TOSS TO YOUR ATTORNEY, UM, NUMBER 21, THE LAST ONE THAT I THINK OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAD MAYBE FLAGGED AS A, YEAH.
WE'RE HAPPY TO THROW THAT PROFFER OUT.
IF THAT'S OF, WE CAN JUST STRIKE THAT PROPER.
UH, ARE YOU OKAY? TURN IT BACK ON HIM COMES UP.
UM, ARE YOU IN FACT REMOVING THE PROPER? YOU SAID YOU'RE HAPPY TO, BUT YOU'RE WITHDRAWING IT PRETTY GIRL.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE, ANY OTHERS, YOU CAN KNOCK OUT
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JUST AGAIN, MS. CHAIRMAN.IT WAS REALLY JUST TRYING TO CIRCLE BACK ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF HAD FLAGGED AND ASKED YOU TO PROVIDE SOME MORE COLOR BACKGROUND ON EACH OF THOSE THINGS.
NOW WE'VE TOUCHED ON AT LEAST THE THREE THAT I JOTTED DOWN INITIALLY AS HAVING HAD STAFF FLAG.
BUT IF THERE'S OTHERS THAT, UM, THAT STAFF HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH, I BELIEVE THERE REMAINS ONE OTHER IN, IN PROFFER NINE, UM, WHERE THERE'S A DELEGATION TO THE APPROVAL OF THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, HER, THAT, THAT POSITION MAKING EXCEPTIONS.
SO WE REVISED SOME OF THE PROFFERS.
UH, WE GOT COMMENTS FROM MR. COLEMAN AND WE TOOK OUT REFERENCE TO THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AT THEIR SUGGESTION.
IT MIGHT NOT HAVE MADE IT, THERE WAS TWO REFERENCES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF, UH, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IN NUMBER NINE.
AND I THINK ONE WAS TAKEN OUT, BUT AT LEAST IN THAT PACKET, WHICH I THINK HAS THE MOST RECENT PROFFERS, THE SECOND TO LAST LINE OF HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION STILL HAS THE APPROVE EXCEPTIONS REQUIRING THE APPROVAL OF DIRECTOR OF COMMITTEE DEVELOPED.
IF I'M WRONG, WOULDN'T GET THAT STRAIGHT.
I THOUGHT WE HAD CHANGED THAT IF, IF THAT'S STILL IN THAT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO WITHDRAW THAT AS WELL.
THAT LINE, I THINK THAT THE EXHIBITS THAT I GOT FROM YOUR PACKAGE DOES NOT HAVE THAT IN THERE.
SO THERE WAS UP IN A LOT OF IT.
THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH KIND OF AT THE, AT THE END.
YEAH, IT IS IN OUR PACKET APPARENTLY, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE EXHIBIT THAT I SEE.
WELL, WE'RE CERTAINLY GETTING INTO THE WEEDS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, BUT MAYBE NOT TOO MUCH HERE BEFORE WE HEAR FROM CITIZENS.
BUT, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR, AND YOU HAVE YOUR TRAFFIC.
CAN I BRING UP MY ATTORNEY JUST TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER, PROFIT, NUMBER ONE, AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
I'M CARRIE HUTCHERSON HERE FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IF WE NEED TO TAKE A BRIEF BREAK TO WORK ON ANY LANGUAGE IN PROPER CONDITION, ONE, I LIKE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR OR, YOU KNOW, NO MATERIAL CHANGES OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S NOT AN ATTORNEY, JUST PUT THAT ON RECORD, BUT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT BECAUSE I WORK IN LOCALITIES WHERE WE HAVE THAT LANGUAGE AND WE UTILIZE IT.
AND WOULD CERTAINLY SAY I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, YOU KNOW, MAKING, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE MADE THE CHANGE WITH THE ROAD NETWORK THERE FOR SCOTT ROAD, SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, WE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S UNDERSTOOD.
THAT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE SO WE CAN WORK THROUGH THE LANGUAGE.
WELL, IT WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME AND, AND SIMILAR FOR THE SCOTT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND THE TIMING, HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE AND WE COULD MOVE AWAY FROM THIS CASE FOR A MINUTE, IF NEED BE.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.
THAT'S HOLDING UP SOMETHING ELSE.
WE'LL HAVE SOME CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, AND MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN, THERE'LL BE A CHANCE TO COME BACK AFTER THAT AND ADDRESS THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE BRINGING UP NOW.
AND IT'S GOOD TO HAVE SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE I THINK THE PUBLIC CAN, THE FOLKS HERE WITH AN INTEREST IN THIS WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF HEAR WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON AT LEAST INITIALLY.
UM, AND HOW ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS? I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S AN AMENITY, UH, IN THE, WITH IT, NOT THE SIDEWALKS SO MUCH TO PAY, BUT THE TRAILS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING, WE THE COUNTY, OR IN FACT WE ARE, WHAT WAS IT? IB IB GRANT.
WE FOUND OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH FROM OIL, WHICH IS A PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
PRETTY MUCH UNDER THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.
WE GOT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS GRANT TO, TO DO A SIDEWALK, BIKE PET STUDY FOR THIS, FOR THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
SO I THINK I'VE TALKED TO YOU BEFORE MR. BROWN ABOUT, UH, I THOUGHT THE VALUE THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THIS COMMUNITY TIE INTO TIE INTO A VILLAGE NETWORK.
SO I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, MS. SHERRY COMMENTED ON WAS THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAILS TYING INTO, SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT CONCERN WAS, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR, IF YOU CAN EXPAND ANYTHING ON THE COMMITMENT TO THE TRAILS AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO BE YES.
AND SO THEY, WE SHOWED THEM ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
IF I CAN GET TO THAT HERE, UH, THEY'RE HARD, IT'S HARD TO READ ON THIS PLAN, BUT THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN WE SENT TO THE COUNTY IS, YOU KNOW, MORE READABLE, BUT THE SIDEWALKS ACTUALLY SHOW THROUGH READ MARSH THAT ARE ALONG THE STREETS.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY A, UH, UH, NETWORK OF SIDEWALK TO THE DETROIT IN SIDEWALK, SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, A LONG WAY.
YOU CAN MAKE A IT'S, YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS, TWO MILES, TWO AND A HALF MILES, ESSENTIALLY A TRAIL AND SIDEWALK NETWORK THAT YOU CAN LOOK BACK THROUGH THE DAY.
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YOU SAY, YOU'RE, PRE-STAGING, YOU'RE TYING IT UP TO THE ENTRANCE THERE AT REED MARSH.SO WE REPRESENTED IT ONLY CONCEPTUAL PLAYING MAYBE WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT WE PUT IN FOR PROPER NORMAL, AND WE CAN INCORPORATE SOMETHING FOR THE SIDEWALKS TO, TO, UH, SHOW OUR COMMITMENT TO THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT.
UNLESS YOU HAD ANYTHING ELSE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE YOUR TRAFFIC FOLKS HERE.
WE MIGHT, WE MAY COME TO THAT.
WE, WE WILL TELL EVERYBODY JOIN, DOING GOOD TO KEEP GOING.
WE'LL WE'LL, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
IF, UM, IF IT GOES TOO LONG, WE MIGHT TAKE A BREAK IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD FOR OR AGAINST, OR ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ON THIS APPLICATION FROM YELLOWSTONE COMMUNITIES, SAME RULES APPLY THREE MINUTES, PLEASE.
AFTER YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UM, GOOD.
ANYTHING AGAIN? MICHAEL MCDERMOTT, 1879 SPRUCE LANE, MAIDENS, VIRGINIA.
I'M UM, I'LL TRY TO TEMPER MY PASSION.
I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED RIGHT NOW.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING AND A VOTE, NOT IN NEGOTIATION.
DOES I'M HEARING A NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE APPLICANT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WHERE DO YOU VOTED FOUR TO ONE AGAINST THIS? HOWEVER, STILL HAS TO COME TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL? WELL, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE BOARD'S POSITION AT THIS TIME THEY'D BE EITHER VOTE ON IT OR DEFER IT, NOT NEGOTIATE.
I OWN A PROPERTY AT 53 70 MARTIN ROAD HERE IN KENT STORE.
UM, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF BECAUSE IT IS RELEVANT TO TONIGHT.
I OWN A MORTGAGE BRANCH FOR CNF MORTGAGE AND FOR THE LAST IT'S PROBABLY BEEN A LITTLE OVER A YEAR.
NOW I'VE SEEN A INVENTORY CRISIS.
I HAVE CLIENTS WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND TRYING TO BUY A HOME AND THEY CAN'T, THERE'S A LACK OF INVENTORY.
SO I THINK THAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ISN'T A NECESSITY.
UM, I'M ALSO SEEING MORE THAN I'VE SEEN IN THE 13 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS PEOPLE MOVING FROM URBAN AND SUBURBAN AREAS OUT TO RURAL AREAS.
AND I I'VE HAD MORE CLIENTS, UM, LEAVE, LIKE I SAID, THESE URBAN SUBURBAN AREAS TO COME TO RURAL COUNTIES.
A LOT OF IT, I THINK, DIRECTLY RELATED TO COVID AND WANTING TO GET OUT ON BIGGER LOTS, UM, OR JUST IN THE COUNTRY.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT IS NECESSARY TO, TO CONTINUE TO GROW.
UH, I THINK LOCATION IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I'LL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU THAT THE REASON I JUST MOVED TO GOOCHLAND MOVED FROM POWELL TAN TO GOOSE, AND I BOUGHT A, A 200 ACRE FARM AND I WANTED THE, UM, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO HAVE A FARM AND BEING RURAL GOOSE, THEN I FELL IN LOVE WITH IT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS NECESSARY.
I THINK THE LOCATION OF THIS IS A VIABLE LOCATION.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO YOU SOME REAL LIFE, UH, I GUESS, EVIDENCE OF WHAT I'VE BEEN WITNESSING FOR THE LAST YEAR BETWEEN THE INVENTORY CRISIS AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVE FROM THESE URBAN, SUBURBAN AREAS OUT TO RURAL AREAS, INCLUDING GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT OF WHAT I'M SEEING DAY TO DAY.
THANK YOU, MARIO AND 6 21 FED LANE, I NOTICED THAT, UM, THE LARGE AREA ONTO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MAP IS PRETTY MUCH OPEN RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S A LOT OF TREES MORE TOWARDS THE LEFT.
I WOULD, I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE DEVELOPER TRY TO LEAVE SOME OF THE REALLY LARGE MATURE TREES INSTEAD OF BULLDOZING EVERY SINGLE THING.
AND THEN PUTTING IN LITTLE TREES, UM, PICK SOME OF THE REAL MONUMENTAL OAKS AND SOMETHING REALLY NICE TO MAKE IT A SIGNIFICANT COUNTRY KIND OF ATMOSPHERE THAT GOES IN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, 62 BROAD STREET ROAD MANNEQUIN SABOT.
UH, BOONE HAS BEEN A GOOCHLAND COUNTY RESIDENT FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS.
WE ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING IN REED MARSH, UM, UNDER CONTRACT TO BUILD ALL THE HOMES IN THAT COMMUNITY.
UM, EARLY ON IN THIS PROCESS, UH, KYLE AND ANDREW APPROACHED US ABOUT, UM, THE CONNECTION POINT.
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FULLY SUPPORT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.WE FULLY SUPPORT THEM GOING THROUGH AND, UM, WE THINK WE COULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR A BETTER NEIGHBOR.
UM, MY FIANCE AND I CURRENTLY HAVE A PROPERTY OFF OF GATHWRIGHT DRIVE, AND I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF READ MY NOTES FROM HERE.
UM, I GREW UP IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
I'VE BEEN HERE MAJORITY OF MY LIFE, AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO VOICE MY OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND ITS CURRENT FORM.
THE DEVELOPMENT IS TOO DENSE AND DOES NOT MATCH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
MY FIANCE AND I ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING OUR HOME AT 3009.
GATHRIGHT DRIVE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO PRIOR TO PURCHASING OUR LOT, I CHECKED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I TALKED TO THE COUNTY AND I SAW THAT THE ADJACENT LAND WAS SLATED FOR FUTURE LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
THE DEVELOPMENT AND BEING PRO PROPOSED TONIGHT DOES NOT MATCH THAT DESCRIPTION.
IT SEEMS TO BE A HIGH DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A FEW LARGE LOTS TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF LOW DENSITY.
WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, I PUT MY TRUST IN THE COUNTY AND IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED AGAINST THIS DUE TO IT BEING TOO DENSE.
AND I THINK THIS IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
THEY ALSO STATED THAT A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE OR FOR THE AREA WHEN THE PLAN WAS CREATED.
AND THAT WAS FROM SOMEBODY WHO WAS THERE WHEN THEY CREATED THE PLAN, UM, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO BE APPROVED, IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE TRUST THAT THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY PUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND IN YOU.
YOU'RE WORKING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.
WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE IN THE FRONT ROW, IF YOU WANT.
COOL COURTNEY HIRE 2, 4, 5 OH HIGH RIDGE LANE.
UM, I AM HERE SPEAKING TONIGHT FOR MY PARENTS WHO HAVE, COULD NOT BE HERE AND HAVE RECENTLY BOUGHT INTO THE REED MARCH SUBDIVISION, MR. BODA, YOU'RE HERE FOR REPRESENTING THAT.
UM, THEY HAVE BEEN SOLD A SMALL SECLUDED, NICE SUBDIVISION AND READ MARSH AND THEY BOUGHT INTO THAT AND THEY WERE EXCITED TO BE IN THERE AND ONLY AFTER THEY HAVE SIGNED THE CONTRACT.
AND I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE RURAL HILL SUBDIVISION.
THEY'RE VERY DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT THEY WERE NOT INFORMED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE BAM, YOU ARE CORRECT.
ALL OF THE MAJOR BUILDING LARGE EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH THE REED MARSH SUBDIVISION AND IT IS GOING TO BE A PARADE OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT EXCAVATORS, HUGE LUMBER TRUCKS, SEMIS, BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO THIS AREA.
CAUSE SCOTT ROAD CAN NOT ACCOMMODATE IT.
THEY DID NOT BUY INTO THE SUBDIVISION WITH THE PLAN OF HAVING A FRONT ROW SEAT TO A CONSTRUCTION PARADE THROUGHOUT THEIR GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
UM, AGAIN, THE, I AGREE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO DECLINED THIS BEHEMOTH SUBDIVISION, UM, THEY'RE COMPARING IT TO OTHER SUBDIVISIONS.
THEY ARE, UH, WHO ARE 30 HOMES, 30 HOMES, 60 HOMES.
AND THIS IS ALMOST THREE TIMES THAT SIZE.
IT'S JUST A VERY LARGE, UM, GREAT UP.
MY PARENTS ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
THANK YOU, MISS HAR, DID YOU GET TO SAY, YAY, I'M FOLLOWING MY DOCTOR'S ORDERS.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? ALL RIGHT.
DOES THIS, IS THIS WHAT WE DO? UM, OKAY, SO GO.
I HAVE LIVED AT THE END OF RURAL HELAINE FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS ON 14 AND A QUARTER ACRES THAT ARE ALMOST COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AFTER REVIEWING THE PROPOSED PLAN, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT MY PROPERTY IS QUITE POSSIBLY THE MOST IMPACTED DUE TO THE UNIQUE LOCATION AND TOPOGRAPHY OF MY PROPERTY OF THREE IMPORTANT THEY'RE PERSONAL ISSUES THAT I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
NUMBER ONE, AS MY PROPERTY IS BEING INSERTED INTO A SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT VIA THIS PLAN, I WOULD LIKE MYSELF OR ANY FUTURE OWNER OF MY PROPERTY TO HAVE THE OPTION HAVE HAVING THE SAME ZONING THAT YOU GRANT THIS DEVELOPMENT AS MY PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE SAME DESIGNATED COURTHOUSE VILLAS VILLAGE ZONE.
NUMBER TWO, I CURRENTLY ACCESS MY PROPERTY THROUGH A 20 FOOT DEEDED RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS THE CURRENT RURAL HILL LANE.
UM, MY PHONE LINE AND DSL INTERNET.
SO IT SAYS IT IS, IS BURIED IN THIS EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
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ACCESS IS PRECIOUS IN OUR WORLD.NOW MORE THAN EVER IT'S WHAT'S GOTTEN ME THROUGH THE LAST 16 MONTHS.
MY PROPERTY HAS A RIGHT TO ITS UTILITIES.
MY CONCERN IS WITH THE PROPOSED PLAN, MY INTERNET AND PHONE LINE.
NOW THAT RURAL HELENE IS REALIGNED.
UM, WE'LL RUN THROUGH SIX SLOTS, A GREEN SPACE AND UNDER A NEW ROAD.
SO WHAT ARE THE ODDS ARE THAT IT'LL GET CUT MAYBE NUMEROUS TIMES DURING THIS POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION AND FOR HOW LONG, A PERIOD OF TIME I'VE ASKED ANDREW, I'VE TALKED TO TOM THIS MORNING ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I JUST SAW THIS PLAN THIS WEEKEND, THIS NEW ONE, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE DIGS THIS UP AND I'M OUT PHONE AND I DON'T HAVE MUCH CELL PHONE SERVICE AT MY, AT MY HOUSE WHEN I DON'T HAVE PHONE AND INTERNET, YOU KNOW, AND TOM SAID, WELL, YOU CAN CALL THE CONTRACTOR AND VERIZON, WELL, ANYBODY WHO LIVES HERE KNOWS NO ONE CAN GIVE HORIZON ON THE PHONE, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE A PHONE COMPANY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UM, AND I KNOW ANDREW SAID, DON'T WORRY, IT'LL BE FINE.
WELL, UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE TIMING ON INSTALLATION AND HOW THE CUTTING OF MY EXISTING UTILITY WILL BE PREVENTED BEFORE THE REPLACEMENT UTILITY HAS BEEN INSTALLED.
I DO NOT GET RELIABLE CELL PHONE SERVICE ON MY PROPERTY.
SO MY EXISTING PHONE LINE IS MY WAY OF COMMUNICATING TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD.
SO I JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'D REALLY LOVE IS, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS YOU'RE DONE SURVEYING, PUT A CABLE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BRING ME CABLE AND THAT'S MY INTERNET, JUST GET IT TO ME BEFORE YOU START DIGGING IN OTHER PLACES, BECAUSE OTHERWISE I CAN'T, I JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO BE WITHOUT IT FOR WEEKS AT A TIME.
POINT THREE IS DUE TO EXTREME TOPOGRAPHY AND WATERWAYS.
THE BACK PORTION OF MY PROPERTY IS NOT ACCESSIBLE BY VEHICLE VIA MY CURRENT DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE.
I AM SATISFIED WITH THE NEW ROAD PROPOSAL TO ACCESS MY EXISTING HOUSE, BUT I WOULD LIKE AN EASEMENT BETWEEN LOTS ONE 19 AND ONE 20.
SO THAT MY PORTION, THAT PORTION OF MY PROPERTY MAY BE ASSESSED.
I SPOKE WITH TOM COLEMAN ABOUT THIS CONCERN AND HE SUGGESTED THE IDEA OF AN EASEMENT AT THAT LOCATION.
AND THAT THIS WAS A REASONABLE REQUEST.
I'VE SPOKEN TWICE WITH A BUILDER ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
AND HE SAID HE WOULD LOOK INTO IT.
BUT THEN ON THIS MOST RECENT PLAN THAT CAME THIS WEEKEND HAS NOT ADDRESSED US THIS MORNING.
I TALKED TO TOM COLEMAN, FIRST THING AFTER THE HOLIDAY.
AND I INDICATED THAT, AND HE INDICATED THAT I SHOULD BRING THIS ISSUE UP WITH YOU ALL TONIGHT AND STATED THAT THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE CALLED FOR MORE STUDY BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MR. COLEMAN ADVISED ME TO REQUEST THAT THE SUPERVISORS TONIGHT DELAY VOTE ON THIS PLAN UNTIL NEXT MONTH.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS CAN STUDY THIS ISSUE AND THE PROPOSED PLAN, IT CAN BE CHANGED TO DELIGHT OR YOU DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT THE LIGHT WENT OFF A LITTLE BIT AGO.
SO WE HAVE SOME WRAPPED UP WRAPPING UP THOUGHTS.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'VE SAID.
AND MA'AM YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY IS MINE.
IT WAS THE END OF EARL LANE ROW HILL LANE.
IT, YOU KNOW, AND MY HOUSE IS A STONE THROAT FROM THAT PROPERTY EDGE.
I LIVE AT 24 30, DOROTHY, ELAINE MAIDENS, VIRGINIA.
AND I'M SEEDING MY TIME TO A SCOTT ROAD RESIDENT.
MY NAME IS DIANA GORDON AND I LIVE AT 2,901 PITS DRIVE GOOCHLAND, AND I'M GIVING MY TIME TO KATHY HASKINS.
DO YOU SPEAK AS WELL? THANK YOU, MS. GORDON.
UM, I NEIGHBORS ARE MISSING BECAUSE I ASSUME THE HOLIDAY WEEKEND.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ASK YOU ALL AND, UH, ASK YOURSELF AND OTHERS.
WHY DID WE LOVE GOOCHLAND? IN MANY CASES, IT'S THE OPEN SPACES, BEAUTIFUL TREES, BEAUTIFUL ROLLING HILLS.
AND THE RIVER FOR THE RESIDENTS.
IS THIS AND SECURITY OF KNOWING YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FAMILIAR CARS WHEN YOU'RE ROAD LESS TRAFFIC IN A QUIET, SLOWER PACE HERE.
UM, I DO WANT TO THANK THE SUPERVISORS AND PLANNERS AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS FOR ALL THE YEARS THAT THEY HAVE TRIED TO PRESERVE GOOCHLAND RURAL CHARACTER.
I AM SURE THAT THIS PROPOSAL WHERE THE COUNTY GOES, AH, THIS IS ONE THAT FITS THE COMP PLAN, BUT DOES IT REALLY,
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WHAT DOES IT, WHAT DOES MAKE THIS A CANDIDATE FOR OUR THREE VERSUS OUR ONE? THE DEVELOPER WILL, UM, TELL YOU IT'S CAUSE IT'S IN THE VILLAGE, BUT PLEASE TAKE A MINUTE TO STEP AWAY FROM THE PROFFERS AND UTILITY TO REMEMBER ALL THE POINTS OF THE COMP PLAN, WHICH STILL SAYS THIS AREA IS SUITABLE FOR LOW DENSITY, ALSO BALANCED DEVELOPMENT QUOTING THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE WELFARE AND THE COMMUNITY AND PRESERVES THE RURAL CHARACTER.UM, YOU MAY NOT SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM ROUTE SIX, UM, BUT EVERYONE WILL KNOW IT'S HERE FROM HERE TO INTERSTATE 64, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES UNDER LAND USE CHAPTER.
ALSO STATE ENSURE THAT A NEW DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT EXCEED THE COUNTY'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE NEEDED SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHAT WILL 1200 TO 2000 MORE VEHICLE TRIPS IN THE COURTHOUSE RESIDENTS MEAN TO SAFETY? SCOTT ROAD IS UNSAFE FOR CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC AND SCHOOL BUSES.
UM, AND FINALLY TO PROTECT NATURAL SCENIC HISTORIC RESOURCES.
THE LOSS OF THE OLD GROWTH TREES ADD TO ADD 50 MORE HOUSES ON LESS THAN A HALF ACRE LOT WILL BE A HUGE LOSS AND WILL DESTROY THE NATURE AND WILDLIFE AREA.
THE BIG HOUSES ON SMALL LOTS DOES NOTHING TO PRESERVE THE OLD GROWTH TREES.
NO MATTER WHAT MR. BROWNING WILL SAY, I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK THE APPLICANT FOR WORKING AND LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS.
I KNOW THAT THIS FORMULA, I KNEW THAT THIS FARM LAND WOULD BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE THE SELLER'S MOTHER ONCE TOLD ME IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED.
HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE DONE WELL.
I'M JUST NOT SURE DESPITE THIS PRESENTATION, WE CAN VIEW IT THAT WAY.
EVEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION QUESTION, THE DENSITY OF THIS AREA, THIS BEAUTIFUL LAND IS MUCH MORE SUITABLE FOR RURAL PRESERVATION THAN MAX DENSITY, UM, WHICH HAPPENS THROUGH MORE THAN HALF OF IT.
SO BACK TO MY INITIAL PREMISE, WHY DO WE LIVE? AND IT LIVE IN AND LOVE GOOCHLAND IS IT TO SEE ROOFTOPS ON A THIRD ACRE, LOT 15 WITH HOUSES, 15 FEET APART LOOKING LIKE ROW HOUSES, RICHMOND AND HENRICO COME TO MIND, BUT HENRICO BUILT FOUR LANE ROADS TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF TRAFFIC.
DO YOU ENVISION CURB AND GUTTER SIDEWALKS? YEAH.
UM, I WOULD MUCH PREFER QUIET THE GRASS, THE TREES FENCES.
PLEASE DENY THIS PROPOSAL AS IT IS BECAUSE WITHOUT ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENTS TO DENSITY AND THE R THREE ZONING, IT DOESN'T RESPECT THE SPIRIT OF THE COMP PLAN.
HI, MY NAME IS WILLIAM HASKINS, 32 85 SCOTT ROAD, JUST A FEW COMMENTS.
UM, HAVING BEEN A RESIDENT OF GOOCHLAND FOR 30 YEARS, I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE AND, UH, UH, ADVANTAGE, I GUESS, OF TIME AND HAVING SEEN MANY, MANY PROJECTS COME TO THE BOARD.
MANY, BE APPROVED SOME NOT SO MUCH, BUT ONE THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED ALONG THE WAY IS WHEN DEVELOPERS BRING PROFITS TO THE BOARD, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO REALLY BE ANY TEETH IN THOSE PROFFERS.
THERE'S NO WAY FOR YOU TO ENSURE THAT THEY DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
AND SO MANY TIMES, YEARS LATER, A DEVELOPER WILL COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT HAS CHANGED.
I REALLY CAN'T DO THAT PROPERLY ANYMORE.
CAN WE MODIFY THAT? WELL? AND USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY GET, THEY GET THE MODIFICATION AND A LOT OF CASES THAT LEAVES THE CITIZENS AT THE TIME OF PROJECT APPROVAL OUT IN THE COLD, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT AFTER YOU GUYS VOTE AND IT'S DONE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WE TALK ABOUT THE VAGUENESS OF THE PROFFERS, PARTICULARLY PROFFER, ONE PRETTY VAGUE PROFFER ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
THAT'S GOT SOME ISSUES ABOUT IT.
HOW DO YOU HOLD THEM TO THE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN? IT'S A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT NOTHING IS DONE TILL YOU GET A POD AND THE CITIZENS DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT.
IF IT GOES BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE DON'T GET TO SEE IT.
WE DON'T GET TO HAVE ANY INPUT ON IT.
THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO KNOW WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING DONE.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT PUTS THE CITIZENS AT A REAL DISADVANTAGE.
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THE PROCESS AT THE BEGINNING, BUT WE DON'T SEE THE REST OF THE SAUSAGE MADE AT THE END.AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT SOME OF US HAVE SEEN THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN, BUFFERS ARE ANOTHER AREA WHERE THIS IS A PROBLEM.
I'VE SEEN PEOPLE, DEVELOPERS, PROFFER, BUFFERS, AND THEY DO.
AND WHAT YOU SEE ENDS UP HAPPENING IS YOU GET A ROW OF 10 FOOT ON CENTER, TWO FOOT HIGH TREES THAT TAKE 10 YEARS TO GROW.
THEY PROVIDE NO BUFFER, NO SCREENING.
WHAT THEY DO PROVIDE IS A GREAT BOUNDARY.
NOW WHAT WAS PROFFERED? BUFFER WAS PROFFERED.
A BUFFER IS NOT A LINE OF TWO FOOT TREES, 10 FOOT ON CENTER.
IT'S NOT THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
MY NAME IS TOMMY TOWERS AND I LIVE AT 30 52 RURAL HILL LANE.
UH, I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A PROPER TIME TO GIVE YOU SOME HISTORY ON THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, MY FAMILY ACTUALLY BOUGHT THE FARM IN 1961.
UH, WE USED IT ON, OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T ALIVE YET, BUT, UH, WE USE IT AS A WEEKEND RETREAT.
AND, UM, MY FATHER WAS A AMATEUR CATTLE FARMER IN HIS SPARE TIME WHEN HE WAS BACK IN COUNTRY.
UM, MY PARENTS MOVED UP TO THE FARM FULL-TIME IN 1984 WHILE I WAS A VMI.
WHEN I RETURNED FROM VMI STARTING IN THE 1990S, WE HAD MANY MEETINGS CALLED BY THE COUNTY WITH GREG WOLFREY AND BOB HAMMOND TO DISCUSS GROWTH IN THE COURTHOUSE.
AND THEY WANTED THE INPUT OF MY FAMILY AS TO WHAT WOULD BE DONE WITH THE LAND.
UH, THOSE MEETINGS CONTINUED THROUGH 2002.
WHEN I MET WITH TRENT PARLES PARSONS, WHO WAS THE COUNTY PLANNER.
AND THEN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, I WAS PUT ON A COMMUNITY FOCUS GROUP BY JOE LACY TO TALK ABOUT GROWTH IN THE COURTHOUSE AND WHERE THE LINES OF THE COURTHOUSE WOULD BE AND WHAT THE DENSITY WOULD BE.
AND, UH, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THE COUNTY ALL THE WAY THROUGH 2009 WHEN MY SISTER AND I THOUGHT OF REZONING IT, THEN, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING AT GRACE EPISCOPAL CHURCH.
UH, AND RIGHT BEFORE WE FILED, UH, THE REZONING, OF COURSE, THE ECONOMY CRASHED.
WE DECIDED TO DEFER FOR TWO YEARS.
AND OF COURSE I TOOK OFF MUCH LONGER THAN TWO YEARS FOR THE ECONOMY TO COME BACK.
UH, SO THEN IN 2014, WE STARTED MEETING WITH THE COUNTY AGAIN, WHEN THE ECONOMY IMPROVED THE WHOLE TIME, TALKING ABOUT, UH, HIGH-END RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WE PRESERVED ALL THE TREES.
WE PERVERT, PRESERVE THE FARM, UH, WITH THAT INTENT AND SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT SEWER AND TO WAIT FOR SEWER AND TO WAIT FOR COUNTY WATER, UH, IN 2014, IN 2004, UH, 18, UH, A DEVELOPER APPROACHED US AND WE SIGNED A LETTER OF INTENT.
THEY ACTUALLY HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, AND THEN AGAIN, UH, AND TO 2020, THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING.
SO THE PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS BEEN, UH, DISCUSSED, UH, FOR OVER 40 YEARS, UH, AND HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR OVER 60 YEARS.
AND THROUGH ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS, IT WAS, UH, TALKING ABOUT A HIGH END RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THIS LOCATION.
I'M KEN HYER, 24 50 HIGH RIDGE LANE, GOOCHLAND, VIRGINIA.
SO FIRST THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I KNOW THESE ARE DIFFICULT DISCUSSIONS.
UH, SO I'M GOING TO COME TO YOU TONIGHT WEARING MULTIPLE HATS.
SO FIRST AS, AS A CITIZEN, I WANT TO ADD MY VOICE TO THE OTHERS THAT HAVE SAID.
I THINK IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE TO VOTE FOR THE SUBDIVISION AS PLANNED.
THE DENSITY IS ABSOLUTELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE KNOW THAT COMPARING IT TO 30 ACRE OR 30 HOME SUBDIVISIONS, ISN'T REALLY INAPPROPRIATE COMP OR 40 60.
SO IT'S JUST, THE DENSITY IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG.
UH, 100 HOUSES ON SEPTIC IS WAY TOO MANY.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF STUDIES THAT HAVE SAID TOO HIGH, A DENSITY OF SEPTIC SYSTEMS. YOU GET GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION, IT'S AN ISSUE.
UM, SO TO ME, THAT DENSITY IS TOO HIGH.
UM, MY WIFE MENTIONED THE CURRENT REID MARSH PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO MY FAMILY OWNS PROPERTY THERE IN REED MARSH, AND THEY BOUGHT INTO THAT AS A SMALL 60 HOME SUBDIVISION, QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THAT BY A FACTOR OF FOUR OR FIVE, AND THAT'S JUST NOT RESPONSIBLE, UH, GROWTH.
UM, I THINK THAT'S WHY THE PLANNING COMMISSION REJECTED IT.
AND I'LL ASK YOU TO DO THE SAME NOW.
SECONDLY, I WEAR A DIFFERENT HAT.
SO GRACE EPISCOPAL CHURCH IS ON SCOTT ROAD RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF RIVER ROAD AND SCOTT ROAD.
AND WHILE I DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE CHURCH AND
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I DON'T WANT TO COME ACROSS THAT WAY, THERE ARE REAL CONCERNS FOR HOW THAT GROWTH AND CHANGE ON SCOTT ROAD IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR MINISTRY.WE HOST AN AWFUL LOT OF COMMUNITY GROUPS OUT OF GRACE CHURCH.
WE'VE BEEN THERE DOING COMMUNITY WORK FOR 140 YEARS.
UM, AND THE CONCERN IS IF WE START TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING THAT ROAD, IF WE CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO GET GROUPS IN THERE, UM, I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS VERY LITTLE APPETITE TO TAKE PART OF THAT GRACE CHURCH LAND AND CAN SEE THAT TO A ROADWAY OR SOME SUCH THING.
SO I THINK I CAN SPEAK PRETTY AUTHORITATIVELY ON THAT, BUT THERE'S JUST REAL CONCERN OF HOW IS THAT INTERSECTION GOING TO CHANGE? HOW IS THE ACCESS GOING TO CHANGE AND HOW WILL THE COMMUNITY BE AFFECTED BY THAT JUST TO PUT IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, THAT'S A REAL CONCERN.
I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT ADDRESSED.
UM, I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THE PROFFERS TO DATE HAVE ACTUALLY ADDRESSED ANY OF THE REAL COMMUNITY CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING TRAFFIC WATCHING THE ROAD INTERSECTIONS DEGRADE FROM BS TO CS OR FROM CS TO DS.
SO MY, MY SUMMARY POINT WOULD BE, I THINK THE DENSITY IS WAY OFF.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO COMPARE IT TO SOME OF THE OTHER COMPS REVIEWS.
AND I THINK I'D RECOMMEND THAT YOU DENY THE REZONING RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE SEE A MUCH MORE REASONABLE PLAN THAT MEETS SORT OF THE COMMUNITY'S DESIRE FOR, UH, RURAL BEAUTY.
THANK YOU, MR. HAR, GOOD EVENING, DAVID HAGAN, 2,900 PITCH DRIVE, GOOCHLAND, VIRGINIA.
UM, ABOUT THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO SAY YOU'RE EACH A GATEKEEPER TO YOUR COUNTY AS MANY COUNTIES OVER THE UNITED STATES.
UM, EVERYDAY WE'RE LOSING FARM LAND, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT JUST FOR THIS ONE, I'M JUST SAYING THIS IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE LOSE THAT, IT JUST, IT JUST DRAFTS PRICES UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SAD THAT THAT ONCE THIS GOES, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH WETLANDS, YOU CAN BUY CREDITS AND OTHER PLACES.
SO YOU'RE OFFSETTING THAT WITH FARMLAND.
I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT HAPPENING, BUT JUST REMEMBER THAT WHEN STUFF LIKE THIS COMES UP, ALL OPPORTUNITIES OF THE LAND NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF VALLEY AMUSEMENT, WHICH IS ALSO ON SCOUT ROAD, UH, REPRESENTED EIGHT FAMILIES, UM, THAT USE A FACILITY ALL SUMMER LONG.
UM, SO WE'VE VOICED CONCERN, WHICH I THINK ANDREW HAS TRIED TO TAKE ALL THAT TO HEART.
UM, UH, JUST FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH SOMETHING THIS MAGNITUDE OVER TIME, UH, MIGHT BE A LITTLE WILD, CRAZY, UH, WITH THE TRAFFIC.
UM, I'M NOT REAL HAPPY ABOUT A SEVEN 30 TO EIGHT, UH, WORKDAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE GET KIDS ON THE SCHOOL BUSES.
THREE OF THEM ARE ATTENDING HOUSTON SCHOOLS.
THE FOURTH HAS GRADUATED AND MOVED ON LONGWOOD.
UM, BUT, UH, WE JUST ASK THAT, Y'ALL TAKE THAT ALL INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, IT'S AN OLD COMMUNITY UPFRONT, UH, WITH THIS COMING IN.
UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK AND UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, GROWS IN TIME.
UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I'M THE REVEREND EMILY DUNN EVENT.
I'M THE RECTORATE GRACE CHURCH.
AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UM, I WANT TO ALSO THINK CAN HIRE FOR HIS COMMENTS.
AND I ALSO ECHO HIS, I CANNOT SPEAK FOR ALL OF OUR MEMBERS AT GRACE, NOR WOULD I TRY, BUT THE ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THIS EVENING, I THINK THIS IS A LARGER QUESTION OF THE SPIRIT OF WHO WE ARE AS INDIVIDUALS.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE STRUCTURE OF, AND THE ENGINEERING OF THIS, NOR WOULD I EVEN TRY AS TO WHAT IS ALLOWABLE BY THE COUNTY PLAN.
BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WE ARE NOT ADDRESSING HOW WE CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER IN THIS COMMUNITY, BY THIS PLAN, AS IT IS PROVIDED TO US THIS EVENING.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TAKING CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY, THIS DOES NOT OFFER ANY HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOWER INCOME FAMILIES.
IT DOES NOT OFFER HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR RETIRED INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DOWNSIZING.
IT DOES NOT OFFER HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR YOUNG COUPLES TRYING TO START OUT.
IT DOES NOT OFFER HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS COUNTY WITHIN OUR SERVICE INDUSTRIES, OUR TEACHERS, OUR FIRE AND RESCUE OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
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HOME MINIMUM AND LIVE NO ONE, UNLESS YOU ARE IN A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THIS COUNTRY.SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO CONSIDER WHO WE ARE GOING TO BE AS INDIVIDUALS HERE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION WILL GREATLY CONFLICT WITH BUS.
I HAVE A CHILD THAT HAS BEEN RIDING A BUS UP AND DOWN SCOTT ROAD.
I LIVE AT 3 0 9 3 0 9 5 SCOTT ROAD.
THERE IS NO WAY CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES CAN GO DOWN THAT ROAD SAFELY WITH OUR CHILDREN GETTING ON AND OFF BUSES.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT ACCESS TO THE CHURCH AS THE WATER PIPELINE WOULD GO DOWN SCOTT ROAD, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS FROM ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS TO, IN A, TO THE WOMEN'S, UM, GARDENING CLUB, MASTER GARDENERS, CONSTANTLY IN AND OUT OF OUR CHURCH.
NO ONE PAYS A DIME AND WE WILL CONTINUE THAT MISSION, BUT WE NEED ACCESS TO OUR PROPERTY SECURELY.
AND WE NEED TO BE ASSURED OF THAT.
WE ARE NOT IN OPPOSITION OF DEVELOPMENT AT ALL.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT WILL HAPPEN.
WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO CONSIDER WHO WE ARE GOING TO BE.
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BETTER LIFESTYLES FOR PEOPLE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER FOR WHOM ARE YOU SPEAKING OF, THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
I MEAN, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK UP, COME ON UP TO THE, ONE OF THE EMPTY SEATS.
UM, BUT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT MAYBE TAKING A BREAK IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES, BUT IF COME ON FORWARD AND AFTER I THINK MR. JENKINS, AFTER HE SPEAKS, UM, WE MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BREAK.
HI, HOW ARE YOU TONIGHT? MY NAME IS FRED JENKINS.
I LIVE AT 30, 40 GATHWRIGHT DRIVE.
I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR MY FRONT BAY APPEARANCE.
I CAN'T BUTTON BUTTONS, AND I CAN'T PUT MY SHIRT TAIL IN THAT WILL HOPEFULLY IMPROVE IN A MONTH OR SO.
UM, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS MR. BRANDON FOR DOING A GREAT JOB OF TRYING TO MITIGATE EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS ON HIS SUBDIVISION, HE'S DONE A REMARKABLE JOB ON SOME OF IT.
THE ONE THING THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD IS ANYTHING ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM OF THE TRAFFIC, TRYING TO GET OUT ON ROUTE SIX FROM GATHWRIGHT DRIVE AND SCOTT ROAD AND GO WEST, RIGHT, IS JUST AN ANNOYANCE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY W I DON'T HAVE ANY HOUSES BACK AT 30 HOUSES, I GUESS, ALTOGETHER ON ME, MAYBE MORE THAN THAT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ROUTE SIX.
BUT WHEN YOU ADD THAT SUBDIVISION AND WE TELL THAT ALL THIS TRAFFIC IS, IS GOING TO TAKE MARSHALL, UM, LAYING THE WOOD, IT WAS CALLED OUT TO THE STOPLIGHT.
WELL, IF YOU'VE GOT 230 SOME HOUSES GOING UP IN MARCH, READ MARSHALL LANE AND ON READING MARSHALL SUBDIVISION AND INTO THIS SUBDIVISION, I DON'T HAVE MANY TRIPS ON AVERAGE PEOPLE MAKE FROM THEIR HOMES A DAY, BUT I CAN SEE TRAFFIC BACKED ALL THE WAY UP FROM THAT STOPLIGHT BACK UP TO SCOTT ROAD.
NOW THAT'S SOMETHING HE'S MR. BRANDON SAID A BET THAT STOPLIGHT BEING FIXED WAY.
IT, THAT EVERYBODY COME OUT AT ONCE AND IT WOULDN'T BACK UP.
WELL, NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO COME OUT AT ONCE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE STRUNG IT OUT ALL DAY LONG.
MOST LIKELY WE JUST YOU'D HAVE TO BE THERE TO SEE HOW THIS IS EVEN NOW WITH NO MORE TRACK THAN WE'VE GOT THE WEIGHT CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM NOTHING TO TWO OR THREE MINUTES WITH JUST WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW.
AND YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING BACK UP MINE, STOP LIGHTS.
IF THEY CAN SQUIRT OUT DOWN SCOTT ROAD OR SQUIRT OUT GATHWRIGHT DRIVE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE BACKED UP THERE.
NOW, I DON'T SPEC PEOPLE AND WANT TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY FROM PITCH DRIVE AND GATHWRIGHT DRIVE BACK UP AND CATCH MARSHALL LANE, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED GOING BACK OUT TO THE STOPLIGHT.
IT'S JUST TOO MANY HOUSES AND HE WAS GOING TO DRAW IT TOO MANY PEOPLE TO BE SAFE OR TO BE EVEN REMOTELY CONVENIENT.
THAT'S, UH, THEY ARE NOW AND IT'S GOING TO GET A LOT WORSE IT, TO MY OPINION.
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IT'S JUST TOO MANY HAILS.IT'S, IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF HOUSES JUST IN THEIR CORTEX AREA BETWEEN REED MARSH AND THIS SUBDIVISION, AND THAT'S DOUBLING IT.
SO I ASKED YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.
I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY TO PUT IT.
UH, THIS IS GOING TO BE A GIANT PROBLEM.
IT GOES THROUGH LIKE IT'S PROPOSED WITH THIS MANY HOUSES AND IT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
AS SOON AS THIS THING GETS BUILT OUT, THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS GOING TO BE THEN, BUT HOPEFULLY Y'ALL CAN SEE FIT TO BACK THAT SUBDIVISION BACK DOWN A LITTLE BIT REDUCED THE NUMBER OF HOUSES.
CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING I NOTICED GOING TO CURVE THROUGH ON IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I THINK WE WERE JUST GOING TO, OKAY.
I LIVE IN THE CITY OF RICHMOND.
UH, CAME OUT TONIGHT AND SUPPORTED THE PROJECT.
I, UH, ACTUALLY CAME UP HERE 15 YEARS AGO, WORKED FOR A COMPANY IN HIGHLAND HILLS.
SO THAT WAS A FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN IN GOOCHLAND.
I, UH, BEEN LISTENING TO EVERYTHING TONIGHT AND TRY TO TAKE AN OUTSIDER'S VIEW.
UH, I CAME UP HERE 4TH OF JULY WITH MY FAMILY AND WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE FIREWORKS DISPLAY YOU PUT ON.
AND, UM, POLICE FORCE DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB GETTING TRAFFIC IN AND OUT.
UM, THE POINTS THAT I HEAR, UH, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE SCOTT ROAD, UH, CHANGE THAT THEY DID ON THE PLAN.
THAT SEEMS TO REALLY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE ON, ON FLOW OUT.
UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, I THINK, UH, I'VE DEALT WITH THAT FOR MANY YEARS.
I BELIEVE THAT AFTER CONSTRUCTION IS OVER THAT THOSE CONCERNS WILL, WILL GO AWAY.
UM, ALSO, UH, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO GET TO BE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY RIGHT NOW.
UM, I REALLY WANT TO HAVE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUT HERE AND HOPEFULLY BUILD A FEW HOUSES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR, OR THE COUNTY.
THE, UH, I DO WANT TO ALSO BRING UP THE, TO THE, UH, FOLKS THAT OPPOSE THE SUBDIVISION.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UH, ACTIVITY UP IN SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND FOR AGRICULTURAL FARM LAND, THE, UH, THE ALTERNATIVES I'VE SEEN ARE SOLAR FARMS. A LOT OF FARMERS ARE PUTTING IN SOLAR FARMS WITH HIGH FENCES, UM, LOST SOME HUNT CLUB LAND TO, UH, TO THIS AND ALSO HIGHER DENSITY FARMING WITH, UM, HOGS AND CHICKENS.
I JUST WANT TO KEEP PEOPLE, UH, INFORMED THAT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE OUT THERE.
AND FROM WHAT I SEE, I BELIEVE THIS IS A, UH, A GOOD SOLUTION.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO POWER ON THROUGH, SO PLEASE CONTINUE TO COME FORWARD.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK.
UM, AFTER THE PUBLIC HAS SPOKEN.
YES, MY NAME IS DUANE DONOVAN.
I LIVE AT 3 0 9 5 SCOTT ROAD, ACTUALLY WORKING, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT FIELD.
SO, UM, I'M CERTAIN THIS PROPERTY WILL GET DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT.
IT PROBABLY SHOULD, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SCOTT ROAD AND I HATE TO KEEP BEATING THE DEAD HORSE.
JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS JUST NOT UP TO SPEED.
AS FAR AS HANDLING THE TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND THIS DEVELOPMENT MIGHT GET THROUGH.
BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IF ALL THE LANDOWNERS AND THE PEOPLE ALONG SCOTT ROAD, IF ALL THEIR FEARS COME TO FRUITION, THEN WHAT, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT GOING TO BE AT THAT
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POINT? UM, TO BRING IT UP TO SPEED, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SOME FATALITIES, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN THE COURTHOUSE, AS FAR AS GETTING IN AND OUT.I MEAN, AT THAT POINT HE WAS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION.
I LIVE AT 32 45 RIVER ROAD WEST.
I LIKE TO SAY LOIS LOIS CASTILLO.
UM, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I KEEP HEARING PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEY LIKE GOOCHLAND BECAUSE IT'S A RURAL AREA.
THEN WHY ARE THESE DEVELOPMENTS BEING, UH, PROVED THAT ARE HIGHER DENSE? WHY ARE WE CHANGING GOOCHLAND INTO AN URBAN AREA? IF THE ATTRACTION OF GOOCHLAND IS THAT IT'S A RURAL AREA.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
THANK YOU, MS. CASTILLO, ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION? REZONING APPLICATION.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO 70 CAN HEAR US AND EVERYTHING AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY'S IN ROOM 2 73 AND 30 OR MORE DELAY, MR. LONGSHORE WOULD, WOULD YOU MIND JUST CHECKING IN ROOM TWO 70 TO SEE IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS AND, AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
HEY DAN, MY NAME'S TERRY PITS.
MY FAMILY HAS BEEN DEAD SINCE 1965, ALL THE HOUSES AROUND THAT AREA OF BRICK HOUSES, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE TWO.
WHEN WE LOOK AT WHEN WINTER TIME GETS HERE, WE LOOK ACROSS THE LAKE, THIS BEAUTIFUL WOODED AREA OF STEM, THE FOOT OR 75 FOOT BUFFER ANKLE WORK.
YOU WILL STILL SEE THE HOUSES.
THEY CAN SAY ALL THEY WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL BIG MONEY.
WE HAVE ABUNDANCE OF WILDLIFE AROUND THERE, AND THAT PLACE WHEN THEY PUT IT UP, IT'S CALLED RUN THE WILDLIFE.
AND PLUS WE'VE GOT ANIMALS AROUND AIR ROAD, BROWN PITS DRIVE IN GATHWRIGHT AND ALL THAT TRAFFIC GOING AROUND THERE.
SOME OF THEM COULD BE HIT BY CARS.
THANK YOU, MR. PITTS, AND ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK TOO SEVENTIES CLEAR.
SO ANY PEOPLE IN THE OVERFLOW ROOM? NO.
WE'RE ABOUT TO WRAP UP ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ON THIS APPLICATION BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK AND THEN, UH, MOVE TO DISCUSS IT.
I'M MARIA JENKINS AND I LIVE IN 32, 45 RIVER ROAD WEST, AND I OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAIN FIELDS DRAIN FIELDS, BECAUSE MY WELL IS CLOSE TO THAT PROPERTY AND HOPEFULLY HE CAN INCREASE THE BUFFER NO 50 A HUNDRED, BECAUSE THE HOUSES THERE'S GOING TO BE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BIG.
AND YOUR PROPERTY IS MY PROPERTIES.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON THIS APPLICATION AND WE'LL TAKE A REALISTICALLY, PROBABLY AN EIGHT MINUTE
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BREAK OR SO LET'S TRY TO GET BACK.WELL, MIGHT AS WELL JUST MAKE IT TO EIGHT 15.
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AND I THINK THERE WAS A TIMING AND THE TIMING, THE, UM, SO PRIOR TO THESO MAYBE I'M NOT SURE WHERE I'M GOING TO PUT THIS ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS THAT WAS IN THAT'S IN CONNECTION TO THE TRAILS.
WHO SAID LIKE THE PAVILION ITSELF AT A HUNDRED LOSS YEP.
AMENITIES PROVIDED IN A A HUNDRED LOTS AND THAT COULD BE CEO'S OR PERMITS, WHATEVER IT IS.
IT, IS IT SIX WHERE YOU'D LIKE US TO CLARIFY THAT WE'LL CONNECT SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS TO HEARD HIM SAY SIDEWALKS AND THAT'S IN SIX, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
SO THE CONCEPT PLAN SHOWS THAT CONNECTION, REFERENCE STUFF NEEDS YOU.
WHAT I'M SAYING, IT'S ALL ON THAT LAND, SHAWN, HOW THEY'RE CONNECTED AND LINKED.
AND THAT WAS THEIR INTENT WAS TO CONCEPT PLAN WOULD SATISFY THAT.
SO IF WE MAKE THE CONCEPT PLAN, WE'RE LOCKED DOWN, THEN THEY WOULD BE ON IT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, KAREN? YES.
AND IT WENT, COULD EVEN SAY SIDEWALK IT CONNECTION SHALL BE PROVIDED BETWEEN SIDEWALKS AND ON THE PROPERTY.
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THANK YOU, EVERYONE FOR SETTLING BACK IN, UH, MR. BROWNING, SOMEBODY FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, YOU WANT, WANNA, YOU WANT TO SPEAK, I KNOW YOU ASKED TO RESERVE SOME TIME IN REBUTTAL, SO, UM, IT'S JUST THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WISH.THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AGAIN, I'M CARY HUTCHERSON HERE FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, I MAY PITCH SOMETHING TO MR. BROWNING AND WHEN WE GET INTO TECHNICAL ENGINEERING DETAILS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THAT WE DO HAVE SOME PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE PROPER CONDITIONS.
UM, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN PASSED ALONG TO YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, UH, ALSO, AND WE CAN GET INTO THAT, UM, IN A MINUTE.
AND I WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING IN A RESPONSE TO SOMEONE WHO SAID, THIS IS BECOMING A NEGOTIATION.
I DON'T VIEW IT THAT WAY AT ALL.
I VIEW THIS AS THE APPLICANT ADDRESSING COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT ON THE FRIDAY OF A HOLIDAY WEEKEND.
UM, I KNOW THIS SORT OF THING HAPPENS QUICKLY.
WE ARE TRYING TO RESPOND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY JUST TO THE VERY BEGINNING HERE IS THAT THE MOST COMMON COMMENT WE HAVE RECEIVED IS THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT THINK THAT IT'S JUST TOO DENSE.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'VE ALSO NOT HEARD FROM ANYONE IS AT WHAT LEVEL WOULD THE DENSITY BE ACCEPTABLE? NOW I WOULD POINT YOU TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE CLOSEST, THEY'RE THE MOST COMPARABLE IN TERMS OF THEIR PROXIMITY TO OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF YOU ADD ALL THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS UP TOGETHER, UM, THEN YEAH, YES, A LITTLE BY THEMSELVES, BUT COMBINED, THEY'RE JUST AT THE SAME SCALES.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS PROPOSED AT A LOWER DENSITY THAN ALL OF THEM.
UM, SO I THINK THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, HOW DENSE IS, IS DENSE ENOUGH IS LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE ARE LESS DENSE THAN ALL OF THEM.
UH, WE WERE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF MEETING OVER AND OVER.
I THINK YOU WOULD HEAR THE SAME COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE IT'S JUST TOO DENSE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT AS SORT OF COMMENTS, SOMEONE MAKES WHEN THEY'RE JUST OPPOSED TO NEW DEVELOPMENT, I GET THAT, BUT THIS IS WHERE THE GOOCHLAND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS RECOMMENDED FOR DEVELOPMENT TO BE FOCUSED FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
THE GOOCHLAND COURTHOUSE IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS.
PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT GOOCHLAND LOSING ITS RURAL CHARACTER, BUT WHAT'S BEEN A GENIUS IDEA OF THE GOOCHLAND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THIS IDEA OF FOCUSING GROWTH IN THESE VILLAGES.
THAT'S HOW YOU KEEP THE RURAL AREAS RURAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO PRESERVE FARMING.
THEY WANT TO PRESERVE WILDLIFE, THAT SORT OF THING.
THEY SHOULD BE PURSUED, BUT THAT'S WHAT GOOCHLAND HAS SAID.
WE'RE GOING TO DO IN AREAS OUTSIDE OF THAT, THESE VILLAGES, UM, WE, WE HAD SOME OTHER ISSUES AS WELL THAT WERE, THAT WERE RAISED, I THINK LARGELY IT'S IT'S, UM, ISSUES THAT PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE WE STILL HAVEN'T MADE BUFFERS WIDE ENOUGH FOR SO FORTH.
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THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO LIVES ON GATHWRIGHT OR HE'S BUILDING A HOUSE ON GATHWRIGHT.HE MENTIONED HE STILL THINKS THE BUFFERS AREN'T WIDE ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF MANY THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO CITIZEN COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED AND NEIGHBORS COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, WE ADDED A WHOLE BUNCH OF OPEN SPACE AND BUFFER IN THAT AREA ALONG GATHWRIGHT TO ADDRESS THE FOLKS THAT WE HAD HEARD FROM, UM, IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
SO WE'VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE.
WE'VE BEEN SOLICITING COMMENTS FOR A LONG TIME, AND I REALLY THINK THAT YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL FROM ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND GOING FORWARD, THAT WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY, WE'VE BEEN MAKING CHANGES WHEREVER POSSIBLE.
AND, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS LESS DENSE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER BUILDERS THAT WE'RE AWARE OF WHO WERE INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY, UM, HAVE PROPOSED IT'S, UH, IT'S PROVIDING CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE, THE GOOCHLAND COURTHOUSE FOR FOLKS TO USE THE SIDEWALKS, UH, GOING THROUGH REED MARSH AND TRAILS, IT'S PROVIDING 37% OPEN SPACE WHEN THE REQUIREMENT IS 20%.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD BE DONE WITH LESS DENSITY IF THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS, BUT WITHOUT ALL OF THE AMENITIES WE'RE OFFERING, WITHOUT ALL THE QUALITY PROFFERS THAT WE'RE OFFERING WITHOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO THIS IS OUR PROPOSAL BECAUSE WE THINK THIS IS A FAIR BALANCE.
UH, AND I'M TRYING TO JUST SUMMARIZE A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS BECAUSE I KNOW I'M SHORT ON TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO SOLICIT QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS BECAUSE, UH, LIKE TO BE A FOCUS ON AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE CONCERNS AND ALSO TALK ABOUT THE PROPER CONDITIONS, CHANGES TO THOSE IF NEEDED.
UM, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR COUNSEL FOR THE APPLICANT? SO LET'S GO MIGHT AS WELL JUST WHILE FOLKS ARE PROBABLY GATHERING THEIR THOUGHTS.
AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US A LITTLE SUMMARY OF, OF THE CHANGE TO PROFFER PROFFER ONE.
OH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO WITH PROFFER ONE, SINCE THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WOULD COUNTERACT SOME OF THE, THE BENEFICIAL ASPECTS THAT WE'VE ADDED HERE IS JUST AT THE END OF THE SECOND SENTENCE, INSERT A COMMA AND PROVIDE AND INSERT THE PHRASE PROVIDED THAT NO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES ARE MADE TO THE CONCEPT PLAN.
AND THAT WOULD BE A GENERAL REQUIREMENT OVERALL AND SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES.
IT'S A PHRASE THAT'S USED THROUGHOUT THE GREATER RICHMOND REGION, AT LEAST AS FAR AS I'M FAMILIAR WITH, UH, ON THE, ALL THE LOCALITIES I WORK IN, UH, PEOPLE SEEM TO BE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UH, AS FAR AS ENFORCEABILITY GOES, AND I KNOW MS. MCGEE FROM PAST EXPERIENCE, I KNOW THAT SHE DOESN'T LET THINGS SLIDE WHEN IT COMES TO ENFORCEMENT.
UH, AS FAR AS NUMBER FIVE AMENITIES, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHEN AMENITIES WOULD BE PROVIDED THE OF THEM.
SO WHAT WE WERE, WE WOULD PROPOSE IS TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, THAT PROVIDED AT THE ISSUANCE OF THE, UH, THE 100TH CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
THE PAVILION AND DOCS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AND THEN TRAILS WOULD BE PROVIDED WITH CONSTRUCTION OF EACH SECTION.
SO THE INTENT THERE IS THAT AS WE'RE DEVELOPING EACH SECTION THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE TRAILS FOR THAT SECTION WOULD BE INSTALLED, BUT THE BEV, THE PAVILION AND THE DOCS WOULD BE INSTALLED AT EARLY ON WITH THE 100 SEAT.
THEN WITH PROPER CONDITIONS, SIX, THIS RELATES TO SIDEWALKS.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS A CONCERN FROM STAFF AND AT LEAST MR. LUMPKINS REGARDING MAKING IT CLEAR THAT THE SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE CONNECTED TO THE SIDEWALKS AND READ MARSH SO THAT THEY COULD THEN BE CONNECTED WITH THE COUNTY'S TRAIL SYSTEM AS THAT DEVELOPS.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO ADD A SENTENCE THAT SAYS A CONNECTION SHALL BE PROVIDED FROM SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE PROPERTY TO READ MARSH AND THE COUNTY'S PEDESTRIAN SYSTEM UNDER PROPER CONDITION, NINE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION.
UH, WE REALIZED THAT WE DID INADVERTENTLY LEAVE IN A
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SENTENCE, ALLOWING EXCEPTIONS, UH, PROVIDED BY THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.WE'RE HAPPY TO JUST STRIKE THAT SENTENCE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE SENTENCE THAT SAYS X ACCEPTION SHALL REQUIRE THE APPROVAL OF THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE HAPPY TO JUST, UH, WITH PROFFER 15 ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHEN THEY WROTE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE STRIPING OF THE LANES AT SCOTT AND ROUTE SIX WOULD BE PROVIDED.
UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO INCLUDE A SENTENCE THAT SAYS ROAD IMPROVEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED UPON ISSUANCE OF THE 50TH CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WITH RESPECT TO PROFFER CONDITION 20.
UH, WE ARE HAPPY TO STRIKE THE, UH, PROPER CONDITION SENTENCE THAT ALLOWS FOR AN EXCEPTION FOR VEHICLES USING SCOTT ROAD FOR CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THE CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS TO INCUR WITHIN SCOTT ROAD FOR THE WATERLINE, OBVIOUSLY WE'D HAVE TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES FOR THAT.
BUT AS MS LASKA, THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE IDEA OF THE HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC FOR THE LATER PHASES OF BUILDING.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO STRIKE THE LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS FOR SCOTT ROAD TO BE UTILIZED FOR ANY CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING BEYOND JUST WITHIN SCOTT ROAD.
FINALLY, WE'RE HAPPY WE ALREADY SAID THIS, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO STRIKE PROPER CONDITION 21 SEVERANCE AND ITS ENTIRETY.
I KNOW THAT DID THAT QUICKLY, BUT I ASSUME IN THIS MODERN AGE, YOU RECORDING MESA.
SO, UM, AND BOARD MEMBERS, WHEN, UM, AS Y'ALL GET READY TO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND WANT TO WANT TO HEAR FROM ANY OF THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES, I, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT KIND OF CAME UP DURING THE BREAK.
WELL, IT DIDN'T COME UP IN THE BREAK, BUT IT KIND OF, MY THOUGHTS KIND OF GOT FORMED IN TERMS, CAUSE WE WERE TALKING A LOT ABOUT COMPLIANCE.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST OPPOSED TO THIS AND THEY'RE OPPOSED.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT DENSITY, BUT THERE'S JUST A RAW NUMBER IS, IS A CHALLENGE.
AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE CERTAINLY DISCUSSED SOME MORE, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN ELEMENT OF ENFORCEMENT OF WHAT'S IN PLACE.
AND I KNOW WHEN YOU ALL HAD ASKED ME, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU ALL CAME TO ME WEEKS AGO AND YOU KNOW, WHEN THESE THINGS WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH AND I WAS SEEING THE DISCUSSIONS, WHAT CONCERNS I HAD AND YOU ALL HAVE ADDRESSED, I THINK COMMUNITY CONCERNS HAS BEEN MY IMPRESSION OF IT THAT YOU'VE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND YOU'VE INVITED THE BOARD TO EXPRESS ITS CONCERNS.
UM, I KNOW THAT MAKES IT SEEM MAYBE LIKE A NEGOTIATION, BUT, UH, I CAN COMMENT MORE ON THAT IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, IT'S YOUR, IT'S YOUR DEVELOPMENT? IT'S YOUR APPLICATION OR YOUR CLIENT'S APPLICATION.
AND, AND SO THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF THAT.
THIS IS ON YOU, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S A CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I'VE SHARED WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THEY, THEY AGREE THAT THIS PROJECT IS PROBABLY GOING TO GO THROUGH A DOWN CYCLE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE PROJECTED TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THIS DONE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK, I MEAN, A LOT OF US ARE JUST LIKE, WHEN IS THIS GOING TO DROP OFF? AND IT GOES TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT AS WELL.
I MEAN, THE PRICES ARE OUT OF REACH.
AND SO IF THIS GUY DOES HIT A DOWN CYCLE, UM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THIS GETS APPROVED, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS THROUGH WHOEVER SITTING UP HERE REPRESENTING THEM HAS A SEAT AT THE TABLE.
IF SAY A BANK COMES IN AND TAKES THIS OVER.
I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN THIS AND THINGS ARE HAPPENING SO FAST.
AND A LOT OF US DON'T HAVE TO READ ABOUT THIS IN A HISTORY BOOK.
WE, WE KNOW ABOUT THE RESOLUTION TRUST CORPORATION AND, YOU KNOW, I EXPERIENCED THAT WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN AND YOU KNOW, THEN THE GOVERNMENT SAYS, GET THESE BAD ASSETS OFF YOUR BOOKS.
SO THAT'S A LONG WINDUP TO JUST THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THINGS IN LIKE, UM, THE MATERIALS, I FORGET WHICH ONE THERE'S ELEVATIONS, BUT SO THERE ARE THINGS LIKE MATERIALS, MINIMAL MATERIALS, UH, AND THICKNESS ON VINYL AND THESE SORTS OF THINGS.
SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT, WHAT WE WERE OVER THE STANDARD.
SO IS THAT GOING TO BE, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO SEE THAT THEY'RE MAINTAINED.
AND IF A BANK TAKES OVER, SAY IN THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, THEN JUST AS HE FINISHED THIS OUT AND PUT A BUNCH OF RANCHERS ON THE PLACE OR WHATEVER, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR THE COUNTY.
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AND SO I THINK BY HAVING THOSE IN THERE THAT AT LEAST THE COUNTY HAS A SEAT AT THE TABLE.IF THERE COMES A TIME, WHEN YOU SAY WE NEED TO LOWER THE STANDARDS AND QUALITY.
SO ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT BUFFERS.
AND SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS ON THE BREAK AND TALKING TO A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS, A 50 FOOT BUFFER SAY, IS THAT GOING TO BE IN COMMON AREA OR IS THAT GOING TO BE OWNED BY THE LAND OWNER? IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE IN COMMON AREA AND IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.
AGAIN, THE LAWYER IN ME SAYS, YOU CAN TELL ME THAT, BUT WHERE, WHERE DO WE KNOW THAT? AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE SURE THAT THESE BUMPERS AND YOU KNOW, WHERE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, BECAUSE IF YOU SAY A 50 FOOT BUFFER AND IT HAPPENS TO BE OWNED BY SOMEBODY, WELL, IF WE DON'T HAVE, IF THERE'S NOT RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS OR SOME KIND OF HOA TERMS, THEN PEOPLE CAN JUST COME ALONG AND CUT THEIR TREES DOWN.
AND THAT'S GOING TO KIND OF, AGAIN, DEFEAT THE PURPOSE AND, AND UNWIND REPRESENTATIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE.
SO IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN AN HOA, THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IS HOW CAN WE BE ASSURED TODAY? CAUSE ONE PERSON I THINK, UH, UH, UH, UH, I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO REMEMBER WHO IT WAS, BUT ONE GENTLEMAN, I THINK SAID, ONCE WE, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, IT'S KIND OF OUT OF OUR HANDS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I STARTED LOOKING FOR THINGS THAT HOW CAN THE COMMUNITY AND THE BOARD KNOW TODAY THAT THINGS YOU REPRESENT ARE IN FACT GOING TO HOLD UP DOWN THE ROAD.
SO IF, IF WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE IN BELONGING TO COMMUTE COMMUNITY HOA, LAND BUFFERS ARE, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONE? OR WHAT CAN YOU DO TO ASSURE US THAT THE BUFFERS ARE GOING TO BE MAINTAINED AS BUFFERS AND THAT THE HOA CAN'T MAKE A DECISION TO LET, GO AHEAD AND CLEAR.
IS THAT A QUESTION THAT I CAN ANSWER NOW? I'LL I'LL STOP RAMBLING AND PLEASE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE DONE, UH, BUT WE'D BE HAPPY.
WE COULD ADD A SENTENCE IN PROPER CONDITION TOO, TO CLARIFY THAT ALL BUFFERS SHALL BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA FOR THE PROPERTY.
I THINK, I MEAN, THERE WAS AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE MADE GOING INTO THIS.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GOTTEN TO BE PRETTY STANDARD PRACTICE NOW AND COMMUNITIES ARE USED TO, AND I'LL, AND I'LL LOOK TO OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT, BUT IT PROFFER LIKE THAT WOULD SURVIVE ANY KIND OF HOA DECISION TO TRY TO JAM IN THE HOA WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO USE THESE BUFFER UP IN THESE PER PROPER STAY IN PERPETUITY, UNLESS THERE WAS AN APPLICATION MADE TO CHANGE THEM IN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THAT.
UH, LET ME JUST ONE OTHER COMMENT.
THAT'S STEP BACK FOR JUST A SECOND.
I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE PROFITS THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY PACKET ARE NOT THE MOST RECENT PROFFERS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME LANGUAGES THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT HAD AGREED TO THAT AREN'T IN THE PACKET.
I THINK BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT IN THIS BUFFER AREA, C AND D FOR INSTANCE, AND IT'S A COUPLE OF OTHER PARAGRAPHS THAT START FROM NATURAL BUFFER WHERE THE AMENDED BY THE APPLICANT UPON STAFF SUGGESTION TO SAY A NATURAL AND LANDSCAPED BUFFER AND THE STANDARD WHERE IT GOES IN THE SECOND SENTENCE TO SAY IN AREAS WHERE NO VEGETATION CURRENTLY EXISTS IN RESPONSE TO STAFF COMMENTS, THEY DID CHANGE THAT TO SAY INSUFFICIENT.
SO I'M JUST HAVING A CONCERN ABOUT THE LANGUAGE AS THINGS ARE BEING DISCUSSED BACK AND FORTH, AS WELL AS THE LANGUAGE OF WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.
BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WHAT'S IN THE PACKET IS THE MOST RECENT THING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED.
SO WE MADE SOME CHANGES ON, UH, ON THURSDAY, MR. COLEMAN REACHED OUT WITH A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT HE HAD.
AND SO WE MADE A FEW CHANGES AND THOSE WERE THE CHANGES WHERE WE SH WE, WE STRUCK THE LINE ABOUT THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL ON CERTAIN THINGS.
AND THEN WE ADDED THAT LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE IN THE BUFFERS OR THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE.
I THINK IT WAS LIKE FRIDAY EVENING, PRETTY LATE.
I THINK HE WAS ASKING TO PACK, IT CAME OUT AROUND THE SAME TIME, PROBABLY WE'RE GOING PACK.
SO IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE REFLECTED IN THE PACKET.
AND THEN IT WAS SOMETHING TO BE BROUGHT UP TO YOU ALL AFTER THAT.
SO, SO ARE THE SLIDES, UM, THAT YOU PRESENTED? DO THEY HAVE THE CURRENT, UH, YES.
THE SLIDES DO REPRESENT, YEAH.
THE, THE SLIDES DO REPRESENT, UM, THE CURRENT PROFFERS.
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THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A BLACK LINE VERSION PLACED AT THE DIAS.THIS IS A, UM, I DID NOT KNOW THAT THIS PUTS THEM BACK THERE.
SO THE ONLY CHANGES IS TO ADDING IN NATURAL ON LANDSCAPE.
MICHAEL, THE ONLY CHANGES IS NUMBER NINE, DELETING THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, EXCEPTION, AND THE BUFFER SAY A NATURAL AND LANDSCAPE.
THE, THE VERSION THAT CAME THROUGH, I HAD THE, UM, THEM ON THE, THE PRESENTATION, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE, UM, WHAT I JUST HEARD AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE WAS A SERIES OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORS ON THERE.
WAS THERE ANY OTHER REFLECTED, ANY OTHER CHANGES REFLECTING ON THAT? I DO NOT HAVE A COPY.
THERE WERE ABOUT THREE SPOTS WHERE WE CHANGED THE LANGUAGE ABOUT ELIMINATING THE APPROVAL OF THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN IN ALL OF THE PROFFERS WITH THE BUFFER PROFFERS AND EACH INDIVIDUAL LETTER, WE WENT IN AND ADDED THE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT SUBSTANTIAL, I CAN READ IT EXACTLY.
BUT WE HAD, WE ADDED ABOUT NATURAL AND LANDSCAPE BUFFER, WHETHER IT WAS INSUFFICIENT VEGETATION.
SO WE ADDED THE WORD INSUFFICIENT AND WE ADDED NATURAL AND LANDSCAPED AND ALL OF THOSE PROFFERS, I HAVE A SUGGESTION JUST WHILE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH OTHER COMMENTS AND SO FORTH SINCE MR. BROWNING AND MR. COLEMAN HAD THE CONVERSATION AND IT SHOULD BE A RECORD OF IT.
WE LIVE IN AN AGE OF TECHNOLOGY.
IT SHOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO FIND THAT EMAIL AND THEY COULD WORK ON MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE HAD AN UPDATED COPY, THIS BUGGY HABIT.
THIS WAS THE FIRST I REALIZED THAT THIS, THAT LANGUAGE THAT HAD BEEN PROVIDED WAS NOT IN THE PACKET.
WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY WANT THAT TO BE REFLECTED WHERE WE'VE MADE THESE CHANGES.
SO YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY DOES HAVE THE, OKAY, WELL, THE BOARD NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
WE REALLY NEED, THIS IS A BIG PROJECT.
THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST ON ALL SIDES.
I MEAN, THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS OWNERS AND HAVE SPENT, HAVE EXPRESSED SUPPORT, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH GENUINE CONCERNS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT BROUGHT UP.
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, CAUSE I I'M, I'M TALKING BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS WANTING TO WEIGH IN.
AND NORMALLY AS CHAIR, I, I WAIT, BUT THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT.
BUT IF WE WANT TO START A BROADER DISCUSSION, I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU MISS ALASKA.
SO HERE'S THE DEAL WHAT'S IN OUR BOARD PACKET IS NOT THE MOST CURRENT.
NOW WE'RE AMENDING THE, THAT VERSION.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.
WE DO NOT HAVE A CLEAN COPY TO MAKE A DECISION ON TONIGHT, IN MY OPINION.
ANY OTHER BOARD COMMENTS, MR. SMITH? I WANT A GREEN.
MAYBE THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HEADING AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT AT THIS TIME I'D MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER TILL THE FOLLOWING MEETING TO THE NEXT A SECOND.
THERE'S A MOTION TO DEFER THE APPLICATION AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION AND THAT'S A DEFERRAL TO YOUR AUGUST REGULAR MEETING, CORRECT.
AND YOU, YOU ACCEPT THAT YOU ACCEPT THIS FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO DEFER THIS APPLICATION UNTIL OUR AUGUST REGULAR MEETING.
THE SECOND DISCUSSION, MR. PETERSON AS CHAIR, UH, WE FIRSTLY ADVOCATE WHAT THE IMPACTS WOULD BE TO SOMEONE ELSE.
COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? SHE SAID, HERE ARE THERE, IF WE DEFER IT, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU AND IMPACTS AND, AND YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON IT.
WELL, NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE CONTRACTUAL DEADLINES AND THAT WILL BE TIGHTENED UP VERY CONSIDERABLY.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS I WOULD ASK JUST FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THIS AS A SUGGESTION, I KNOW YOU HAVE ANOTHER CASE TO LISTEN TO TONIGHT.
UM, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD TAKE SOME TIME WITH THE STAFF WHO WERE HERE, WHO DON'T HAVE TO BE PRESENT FOR THAT CASE.
GET THE LANGUAGE WORKED OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS DOES PUT US BEHIND ON SCHEDULE MORE SO THAN WE ALREADY WERE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT BY ALL MEANS WE WANT TO GET IT.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY FOR THE MOMENT.
SO MOTION AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
MY COMMENTS ON, ON MOTION, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE IN A MOMENT, BUT MY THOUGHTS ARE WE COULD DO JUST THAT.
IT SEEMS TO ME IN THIS AGE OF TECHNOLOGY, UM, I I'M
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UNCOMFORTABLE PUTTING THE APPLICANT IN, IN A TOUGH SPOT.WHEN I THINK A LOT OF THE WORK HAS BEEN IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMUNITY AND STAFF CHANGES AND WE'RE ON A HOLIDAY WEEKEND AND WE HAD OTHER THINGS GOING ON HERE IN THE COUNTY THAT WE WERE ADDRESSING.
SO, UM, IF LET ME ASK, IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO GET US A PRINT OUT OF THE FINAL VERSION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE IT HERE AND MAYBE HAVE SOME COPIES IN THE BACK FOR PEOPLE TO, OF COURSE WE CAN GO, UH, TOM, MR. COLEMAN, CAN YOU GIVE THEM WELL, JUST, JUST
THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT, SCREEN WHAT YOU HAVE.
MA'AM I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT ARE FROM THE, UM, FROM JUST NACHOS PACKER.
THAT, THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED AS WELL.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO CONFER WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
I KNOW THAT SHE'S HAD SOME, UH, SOME WRITTEN SOME LANGUAGE DOWN, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THE SAME.
I'VE MADE NOTES BASED ON, UM, WHAT, UH, CARRIE'S SAID, BUT THERE TO GET IT RIGHT.
NUMBER OF CHANGES, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO TURN AROUND IN THIS SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, WE WOULD DO OUR BEST TO, TO GET WHATEVER, UM, MS. PIGGY HAS WRITTEN DOWN, BUT YOU HAVE THE LATEST THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED.
YOU CAN GET A STAT AND THEN WE COULD ADD ONTO THAT.
WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE MY MR. CHERRY.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CLEAN AND A BLACK LINE, BOTH.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE BLACK LINE AND HAVE A COPY OF THE CLAIM.
WELL, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES.
SO BLACKLINE FROM WHAT? ORIGINAL, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I FOUR-PACK AT HOME, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.
IN ADDITION TO HAVE A CLEAN COPY WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
NO, I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO, UH, ASK THEM TO PRINT OFF NEW COPIES, IT SHOULD BE WHAT WAS AGREED TO BEFORE THEY WALKED IN HERE AND THEN WE'VE GOT CHANGES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW.
AND A LAW DEGREE CAME FROM LASALLE EXTENSION UNIVERSITY, BUT, UM, UM, WITH THE MATCHBOOK COVERS.
BUT, UM, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE WE SHOULDN'T BE INCORPORATING CHANGES THAT WE AGREED TO THIS EVENING SINCE THIS IS WHAT WAS BEING PRESENTED AND WE'VE MADE THOSE CHANGES THAT WERE AGREED TO TONIGHT.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED AND THEN WE CAN WALK THROUGH, IF, IF WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS THIS EVENING, WE CAN WALK THROUGH WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED UP TO NOW, BUT THEN THE THINGS YOU JUST SUMMARIZED IN THE BEGINNING OF YOUR COMMENTS, RIGHT? THE THINGS YOU'RE.
WELL, I WOULD JUST URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SEE IF WE CAN CONTINUE ON.
WE HAVE FOLKS HERE THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS CASE THEY'VE SPOKEN.
I WOULD, BUT AGAIN, MOTION TO SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, I GUESS I JUST LIKE THE KEY PIECES.
I THINK THERE'S KEY PLAYERS IN OUR NEXT CASE THAT NEED TO BE IN HERE FOCUSED ON THAT CASE.
I DON'T WANT, SO DO WE HAVE PORSCHE? WE'RE NOT AN ACCOUNT OF HIS LARGE ENOUGH TO, I MEAN, WE ARE FORTUNATE THAT WE'RE NOT ACCOUNTANTS THAT LARGE, THAT WE HAVE ALL THIS STAFF.
SO, UM, BUT THE STAFF, BUT DO WE, DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THEY COULD, THAT WE COULD DO BOTH AND DO IT VERY WELL.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I HATE TO INTERRUPT, BUT I THINK I'LL MAKE THIS EASY FOR YOU.
IT'S THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S PUTTING TOO MUCH ON THE STAFF AND THE BOARD.
LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND DEFER THIS CASE.
IT WILL WE'LL WORK WITH THE STAFF CLOSELY.
WE'LL HAVE IT TIED UP IN A NICE, NEAT BOW FOR YOU.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL LIKE WE'VE RUSHED IT THROUGH.
I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL LIKE WE'VE TAKEN KEY STAFF AWAY FROM ANOTHER CASE.
THAT'S NOT FAIR TO Y'ALL SO WE'LL JUST DEFER IT.
IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD'S PLEASURE IS.
YOU'RE NOT OPPOSING THE MOTION.
SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO DEFER MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY, ARE YOU, UH, GOING TO DEFER FOR VOTE ONLY OR FOR PUBLIC HEARING? THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN, I WAS THINKING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEEN CLOSED.
UM, MY OFFICE WILL MAYBE WORK TO GET A CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION, BUT ALSO LOOK TO OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.
THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED.
UM, DO WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION IS TO JUST DEFER BOARD, YOU KNOW, HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT FOR DISCUSSION.
IT IS THE BOARD'S CHOICE, WHETHER TO MAKE A DEFERRAL AND HOLD A NEW PUBLIC HEARING FOR WHETHER THE DEFERRAL IS SOLELY FOR A BOARD ACTION, BUT IT IS BEST TO HAVE THAT CLEAR.
I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THE MOVEMENTS IN A SECOND, BUT YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CREATORS.
WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST
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THAT IF, IF THE CHANGES THAT ARE WOULD BE OFFERED IN AUGUST WERE MATERIAL CHANGES THAT CITIZENS MIGHT CHANGE THEIR MIND, THAT I WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IF IT'S JUST CLEAN UP AND AT THE MARGINS, THEN YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN.BUT I, I, WE TEND TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF LETTING MORE CITIZENS COMMENT AND IF WE THINK THESE CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE MATERIAL, THEN I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN.
SO THAT'S MY, THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON.
I WOULD ECHO THAT AND WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF PEOPLE ON OUR VACATION, ON THE JULY 4TH HOLIDAY.
SO, UM, IT DOESN'T HURT TO HEAR MORE FROM THE PUBLIC.
WOULD YOU ALL, UM, MR. SPOONER, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO YOUR EMOTION OR CLARIFICATION THAT THE DEFERRAL IS FOR A DEFERRAL OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND THE BOAT? YEAH.
SO IT WOULD DEFER TO OUR NEXT BUSINESS MEETING AND FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND A VOTE.
UM, MS. LAST, GLAD YOU ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT.
NOW WE HAVE A REVISED MOTION AND SECOND BEFORE.
THANK YOU, MS. HUNTER FOR HELPING US ON THAT ONE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A TEAM UP HERE TO US.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE REVISED MOTION? LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL.
THANK YOU, MR. ROGERS, MR. BROWNING, AND EVERYBODY.
UM, HERE, WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH AT OUR REGULAR MEETING.
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SECOND REZONING APPLICATION OF THE EVENING.
THIS IS IN DISTRICT FOUR, AN APPLICATION BY TOWN AND COUNTRY REALTY PARTNERS,
[3. 4049: District 4 - RZ-2021-00005 Application by Towne & Country Realty]
LLC, AND JOY SCOTT LLC REQUESTING THE REZONING OF 60 LITTLE OVER 65 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TO, TO RESIDENT RPU D WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS ON SONGBIRD LANE AND HOCKETT ROAD FOR SEVERAL TAX MAP NUMBERS.AND MS. SHERRY'S GOING TO PRESENT AGAIN, AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, SHERRY, JUST STARTING OUT BY TELLING US WHAT WERE WE JUST HANDLED? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, THE, UM, COPIES IN FRONT OF YOU ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF, UM, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED SOME PROFFERS THAT SHE WOULD BE PRESENTING TO YOU TONIGHT.
UM, MS. MOWEN, CAN YOU VERIFY THAT THOSE BLACK LINES ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS CHANGED SINCE THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION? YES MA'AM.
SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED FOR ONE CHANGE, UM, AND THEN WE'VE RECEIVED SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM STAFF, UM, WHICH WERE AFTER THE, THE PACKET WENT OUT.
AND SO I'LL WALK THROUGH EACH OF THOSE, UM, IN ADDITION TO SOME CHANGES TO THE BUFFERS.
AND, UM, AND THIS WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I'M PRESENTING TONIGHT WAS MOSTLY PERTAINING TO THE BUFFERS, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, EXCUSE ME, UM, WITHIN THE, UM, THE PRESENTATION, WHEN WE GET TOWARDS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, WHERE I HAVE THE PROFFERS, THAT BLACK LINE THERE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE EXCLUSIVE OF WHAT MS. MULLINS HAS JUST HANDED OUT TO YOU.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE, UM, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, I'M JAMIE SHERRY, UH, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
OUR SECOND, UH, PUBLIC HEARING THAT I WILL BE PRESENTING TONIGHT IS, UM, FOR A 65, APPROXIMATELY 65 ACRE LOT, UM, THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED A TWO.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO 130 LOT SUBDIVISION, UM, AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF HOCKETT ROAD AND SONGBIRD LANE.
UH, THEIR PROVOST, UM, UH, ZONING DISTRICT WOULD BE RPU D WITH PROFFERS.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, UH, THE COUNTY, EXCUSE ME.
UM, IT IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE.
I MEAN, THE WESTERN SIDE OF HOCKETT ROAD, THE, UH, ZONING, AS I MENTIONED IS A TWO, UM, THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, LOW DENSITY, UM, AREAS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, UM, INCLUDE, UH, UH, PUBLIC LAND, UH, TO THE NORTH.
THE COUNTY OWNS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, AS WELL AS, UM, PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST, WHICH IS PART OF THE WEST CREEK, UM, UH, PARK.
UM, YOU HAVE, UH, RECREATIONAL OPEN SPACE.
THAT IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY COLLEGIATE.
AND, UM, UH, TO THE SOUTHWEST, YOU HAVE, UM, THE, UM, TUCKAHOE CREEK SUBDIVISION, UH, JUST SOUTH OF THAT.
YOU HAVE THE, UM, HERMITAGE, HAMLET SUBDIVISION IS ALSO RECOMMENDED FOR, UM, SINGLE FAMILY, LOW DENSITY, UM, THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED, UM, WITH THE, UH, HASHED CIRCLE RIGHT HERE, UM, IS, UM, IN THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA.
THIS IS A PORTION OF THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA IS IDENTIFIED WITH THESE, UH, THE GREEN BORDER, THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA.
UH, THIS IS TAKEN FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, IDENTIFY WHERE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE CONCENTRATED.
THE ADVANTAGE OF DELAYING SUCH, UH, AREAS INCLUDE PROACTIVELY PLANNING AND COORDINATING GROWTH, REDUCING PRESSURE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE RURAL AREAS, SUPPORTING, UM, COST-EFFECTIVENESS BY UTILIZING EXISTING AND PLANNED INFRASTRUCTURE AND FACILITATING PRIVATE SECTOR, INVESTMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, I, UH, KIND OF GAVE YOU A QUICK RUNDOWN OF WHAT IS AROUND AGAIN, NORTH OF THE SUBJECT
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PROPERTY IS THE COUNTY AND PROPERTY, UM, WEST CREEK TO THE EAST, UH, UM, THE HERMITAGE HAMLET AND THE, UM, TUCKAHOE CREEK SUBDIVISIONS TO THE SOUTH AT THE JUNE 3RD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A FIVE ZERO VOTE ON THIS REC ON THIS REQUEST FOR CITIZENS SPOKE AND OPPOSITION.
AND TWO PEOPLE SPOKE, UM, THAT WERE NEUTRAL, UH, SINCE CITIZENS, UH, SINCE, UM, THIS REQUEST WAS MADE, WE HAVE RECEIVED EIGHT EMAILS OF OPPOSITION AND THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED 23 LETTERS.
I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, 43 LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
UM, THE, UM, PROPOSED TONIGHT IS UP TO 130 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH A DENSITY OF 1.99 UNIT FOR PER ACRES.
UM, THIS TURNS INTO AN AVERAGE LOT OF 0.2, ONE ACRES.
UM, OUR PUD DISTRICT DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC UTILITIES, UM, WITHIN THE TCSD, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE TCSD BOUNDARIES AND HAS APPLIED FOR ENTRANCE INTO THE TCSD, UM, DISTRICT OR THE DISTRICT AND A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, IS ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
UH, SONGBIRD LANE, UM, IS A, UH, UM, AS A PRIVATE ROAD THAT CURRENTLY ACCESSES TO, UM, EXISTING RESIDENCES.
UH, WE HAVE THREE 50, UM, SOBER LANE AND 3 75 SONGBIRD LANE.
UM, THREE 50 SONGBIRD LANE WE'LL HAVE, UM, ROAD IMPROVED, UM, ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY SONGBIRD LANE, UM, UH, 3 75 SONGBIRD LANE, EXCUSE ME, WE'LL BE ACCESSING THIS PROPERTY THROUGH THE, UH, RECONFIGURED, THE SUBDIVISION, SO THAT EASEMENT WILL BE RECONFIGURED THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED TWO CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
THE FIRST ONE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE, UH, THE COLORED RENDERING ON THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU JUST KIND OF A BASIC OF, UM, A HIGH-LEVEL LOOK AS TO WHAT TO, UM, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UM, THERE'S A BASIC CONFIGURATION OF THE SUBDIVISION, TWO ENTRANCES, UM, ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE ACCESSING A SONGBIRD LANE, AND THIS WOULD BE A NEW, UM, ENTRANCE TO THE SITE.
UH, THEY HAVE A STORM WATER, UM, POND PROPOSED FOR, UM, THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE STREET TREES, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, TRAILS RUNNING THROUGH, UH, THE PROPERTY.
UM, OPEN STAYS IS IDENTIFIED GENERALLY AND GENERAL LOCATIONS OF THE BUFFERS.
UH, THE, THEY ALSO, UM, PROFFERED A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UH, THE S UH, GIVES A MUCH MORE DETAILED, UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE SIZE OF THE BUFFERS AND THE TYPE OF SCREENING, UH, STUBBORN ROBES AND EASEMENTS.
AND THEN THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR TWO DIFFERENT, LOTS, LOTS, A AND LOTS B UM, I'M GOING TO GO INTO EACH OF THOSE NOW.
UM, THERE ARE, THERE IS A, UH, PERIMETER BUFFER THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE RPD, WHICH IS A THIRD OF 35 MINUTE MINIMUM.
UH, THAT'S REPRESENTED ON HERE.
UM, THEY ALSO ARE PROPOSING A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER, UH, ALONG HOCKET ROAD, AND THAT'S REPRESENTED HERE IN THE GREEN.
UM, THEY ARE, UM, PROFFERING, A 50 FOOT BUFFER, UM, RIGHT HERE ALONG THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE 3 75, UM, UM, SONGBIRD LANE AND A, UM, A 50 FOOT BUFFER ON THE SOUTH, ALONG WITH A FENCE.
AND, OOPS, SORRY, LET'S GO BACK.
AM I GOING BACKWARDS HERE, LISA? YEAH, SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE ONE OF THOSE NIGHTS, SO THERE YOU GO.
SO, UM, UH, AND, UH, IN ADDITION, A 50 FOOT BUFFER TO THE NORTH, ALONG WITH A, UM, A FENCE, UH, TO THE NORTHWEST, YOU CAN SIT YOUR FORWARD ARROW, AND THIS IS YOUR BACK.
SO I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU BACK TO RIGHT THERE.
I'M NOT GOING TO TRY AND USE THE, UM, THE POINT OR ANY MORE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO.
I'LL JUST KEEP YOUR HAND ON THAT ONE.
SO, UM, UH, THE, UH, THAT, THAT SUMS UP THE BUFFER, THE FENCE.
I DID NOT POINT OUT THERE ALSO, UM, UH, DOING A BERM, UM, UM, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE, UM, THE 3 75,
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WHICH IS THE ONE ON THE LOWER, UH, UH, PROPERTY ON SONGBIRD, UM, FOR THE STUB ROADS AND RIGHT AWAY AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FUTURE, AND, UH, POTENTIAL STUB ROADS ARE, UM, OFFERED TO THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH.UM, THE SONGBIRD EXTENSION IS REPRESENTED IN THAT BLUE, UM, ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S HOW THE, UM, UH, THREE 50 SONGBIRD PROPERTY WOULD ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, THERE ARE, UM, 130, UM, LOTS THAT ARE PROFFERED, A MAXIMUM OF 130.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT, UM, THE 3030TH LOT COULD POTENTIALLY EITHER BE LOT A OR A LOT B.
UM, SO IF WHAT A IS, UH, DEVELOPED FLAT B WILL NOT BE AND VICE VERSA, UM, THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO, UH, PENDING AGREEMENT AND DISCUSSIONS THAT, UM, UM, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE WITH SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS ON HOW THEY WILL ACCESS THE PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE MS. MULLINS HAS SOME PROFFERS THAT SHE HAS SUBMITTED WITH YOU TONIGHT THAT WILL, UM, GET, SHE'LL BE GETTING INTO MORE DETAIL WITH HER, UM, HER PRESENTATION.
THIS IS WHAT I'M PRESENTING TO YOU NOW IS HOW IT WAS PRESENTED, UM, PRIOR TO THIS EVENING TO STAFF OR WITH THE APPLICATION.
UM, THE CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL, UM, IS, UH, IN, UH, THE EASTERN SERVICE DISTRICT.
UM, THE APPLICANT WILL BE, UH, PROFFERING, UH, $9,810 PER RESIDENTIAL LOT.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS FULLY ADDRESSING THE CAPITAL IMPACT OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WITH THESE CASH PROFFERS, BE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, EXCUSE ME, UM, IDENTIFIES THIS PROPERTY AT A SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY.
UM, AND THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF TWO ACRES.
UH, THE REQUESTED DENSITY IS 1.99 UNITS PER ACRES, WHICH AVERAGES OUT TO A LOT SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY, UM, UH, 0.2, ONE ACRES.
UM, SO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE, UH, LAST CASE, UM, WE TOOK THE EXISTING ACREAGE OF THE, OF THIS PROPERTY AND, UM, TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE REQUIRED BUFFERS.
AND, UM, THEN, UH, COMPARED IT TO WHAT THE, UH, HOW MANY, LOTS THEY WOULD GET BASED ON THE, UH, THE DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES, UH, DESIGNATIONS FOR THE, OR THE DESIGNATIONS FOR THEM, THE COMP PLAN.
SO A SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, AND, UH, 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE WOULD ALLOW THEM UP TO, UM, 112 LOTS TO BE, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.
THE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM, UH, RECOMMENDS ONE ACRE.
UM, AND THE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY, UH, TWO ACRE LOTS WOULD BE 23, UM, ACRES, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, 23 LOTS.
UM, SO, UM, HOW WOULD THIS COMPARE TO OTHER AREA RPD SUBDIVISIONS? UM, SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER HOCKET ROAD, UH, SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE RPD.
UH, THE FIRST ONE WE LOOKED AT WAS MOSAIC.
UM, IT IS, UM, A LARGE PROPERTY, 208 ACRES, WHICH ALLOWS FOR 108, UM, UH, UNITS.
UH, THIS WOULD BE A 2.4, UM, DENSITY, MEANING, UH, 2.4 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND, UM, UH, THE, UM, UM, UH, THE LOT SIDE, THIS WAS A SAMPLE THAT WAS DONE.
UM, SO FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY, THEY TURNED OUT TO BE APPROXIMATELY A HALF A QUARTER ACRE.
AND THEN FOR THE TOWNHOUSES, THAT'S WHAT THE TH IS.
IT WAS BE A 10TH OF AN ACRE, A READER'S REC BRANCH IS 153 ACRES WITH 303 LOTS WITH THE DENSITY OF 2.0, UM, WITH APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER ACRE, UM, LOT SIZES.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE PARK AT CENTERVILLE, WHICH HAS, UH, 48 ACRES, UH, 92 UNITS, A DENSITY OF 1.9 AND ALSO A QUARTER ACRE, UM, AVERAGE SIZE.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, DID DO A, UH, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UM, CURRENTLY THE MOVEMENT'S, UM, OPERATING AT A, UM, NOT CURRENTLY OPERATING AT AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OR AT A BROAD STREET AND HOCKETT ROAD AND ST.
UM, CURRENTLY THE NORTHBOUND, UH, LEFT THROUGH RIGHT, UM,
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OPERATES AT A D N D A M AND AN F AND A PM.UH, THE SOUTHBOUND LEFT THROUGH RIGHT OPERATES AT A M D AND THE M AND E IN THAT M UM, PROJECTED THE PROJECTED, UH, UM, UH, DECLINES AND LEVEL OF SERVICE, UM, RESULT WITH THE, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AT HOCKET ROAD IN CENTERVILLE PARK AND RAIDERS BRANCH BOULEVARD.
UM, THE, UM, EASTBOUND LEFT THROUGH GOES FROM A D TO AN E.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THE EXISTING TO THE, UH, P WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UM, POCKET ROAD AT TUCKAHOE CREEK PARKWAY WESTBOUND, UM, GOES THROUGH, UH, GOES FROM A D TO AN E AN EASTBOUND LEFT THROUGH, IT GOES FROM A C TWO, A D AND THE PM.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UM, SOME IMPROVEMENTS, UM, SOME TURN LANES, THE LEFT TURN LANE, UM, WHICH WOULD ACCOUNT FOR 200 FEET OF STORAGE AND 200 FEET OF TAPER AT THE NORTHERN ENTRANCE.
UM, THAT'S DEPICTED, UH, WITH THE RED ARROW TO THE TOP.
UH, THE, THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE WOULD HAVE A, BOTH A LEFT TURN LANE AND A RIGHT TURN LANE, BOTH OF THEM WITH THE SAME, UH, UH, FOOTAGE AT STORAGE AMOUNT AND PAPER IN 2014, THERE WAS A SPEED STUDY DONE, UH, THAT TOOK INTO ACCOUNT, UM, UM, ALL OF HOCKET ROAD FROM, UH, BROAD STREET ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UM, PATTERSON AVENUE.
UH, THE SPEED STUDY INDICATED THAT THERE WAS, UM, NO BASIS TO REDUCE THE CURRENT 55 45 MILE AN HOUR.
UM, AND THE 55 IS THE, UM, THE SPEED LIMIT WITH TRUCKS AT 45.
THAT IS WHAT THE SIGNAGE LOOKS LIKE ON, UH, ON THE ROAD.
UM, AND, UM, UH, THE, UH, CURRENT, THE SAMPLES WERE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THE, UM, CURRENT POSTED SPEED LIMIT ON THE ROAD, RE GEOGRAPHY, UH, GEOMETRY WERE FAVORABLE SERVICES LANE WITH LOW LEVELS OF ROADSIDE DEVELOPMENT, AND NO ON-STREET PARKING.
UH, THERE WERE SCANT PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLIST ACTIVITY WERE OBSERVED, UM, AND THEN COMPARING THEM TO THE OVERALL, UH, RICHMOND DISTRICT WITH COMPARABLE, UM, UH, ROADS CATEGORIZE THE SAME, UH, CRASH RATE AND FATALITY RATE WERE LOWER THAN THE RICHMOND DISTRICT.
AND THE INJURY RATE WAS SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE, UM, UM, CONCERNS THAT, AND CHANGES THAT COULD IMPROVE THIS APPLICATION INCLUDE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH COMPREHENSIVE AVERAGE LOT SIZE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, UH, THE PROPERTY IS NOT WITHIN THE TCSD, WHICH WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR, UM, THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, IF THIS WERE APPROVED, UM, SONGBIRD LANE RELOCATE AN AND IMPROVEMENTS OF THE ACCESS EASEMENT DOES IMPACT THE, UM, EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND THEN, UM, A COMMITMENT TO A LANDSCAPE PLAN WOULD ALSO IMPROVE, UM, THE, UM, THE APPLICATION, UM, COMMITTEE MEETING WAS HELD IN MARCH, UM, BOARD MEMBERS, MR. SHARP, AND MR. SPOON SPOONFLOWER ALONG WITH PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, MR. MEYERS AND MR. PUCK PATHAK AND APPROXIMATELY 27 NEIGHBORS WERE IN ATTENDANCE CONCERNS WERE RAISED THAT INCLUDED INCONSISTENCY WITH THE COMP PLAN, ADDING PARCELS TO THE TCSD TRAFFIC CONCERNS NEED FOR BUFFERS NUMBER OF SCHOOL STUDENTS GENERATED AND THE SPEED LIMIT ON HOCKET ROAD.
UM, SO THE PROFFERS I HAVE I HAVE IN MY PRESENTATION ARE, UH, THE MOST CURRENT AS OF, UH, WHEN PRIOR TO THE MEETING WAS WITH MS. UM, UM, MOWEN DID PRESENT THE, THE NEW PROFFERS TO YOU.
I CAN RUN THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY, AS I MENTIONED, DURING THE PRESENTATION, THERE ARE TWO CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
UM, THIS ALSO, UM, THIS PROFFER ALSO COMMITS TO, UM, UH, THE ROADS BEING PUBLIC AND CONSTRUCTED TO BE DOT STANDARDS.
UM, THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THIS A COMMITS TO THE THREE, UH, TURN LANES AS DESCRIBED IN THE PRESENTATION, UM, UH, THIS, UH, PROFFER ACTUALLY, UM, UH, COMMITS TO A TIMELINE FOR THE, UM, THE TURN LANE, UH, TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
UH, ONE INTERSECTION, UM, WILL BE INSTALLED PRIOR TO THE FIRST BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THE SECOND ONE AFTER THE 50TH, UM, IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR, UM, TWO STUB ENTRANCES ON
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3 75 SONGBIRD LANE, WHICH IS THE ONE FARTHER TO THE SOUTH, UM, PROPERTY NUMBER THREE, UM, DEDICATES, UM, 35 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF HOCKET ROAD.UM, NUMBER FOUR, UM, THE OPEN SPACE SHALL BE DEDICATED TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
UM, AND, UM, THERE'S A COMMITMENT TO REPLANT.
IF THE COMMON AREAS ARE CLEARED WITH A MINIMUM OF 16 TREES PER ACRE, UM, NUMBER FIVE COMMITS TO THE 130, UH, MAXIMUM DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
UM, NUMBER SIX, UH, IS IN REFERENCE TO, UH, THE BUFFERS, UM, THE HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER ALONG, UM, HOCKET ROAD, UM, DOES ALLOW FOR THE, UM, THE, UM, UTILITIES AS WELL AS, UM, THE STORM WATER, UM, UM, THE STORM WATER POND, WHICH WILL BE USED AS AMENITY, BUT IT DOES RESTRICT, UH, CLEARING, UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOME SORT OF A DEAD TREE THAT IS, UM, UM, APPROVED BY AN ARBORIST.
SO IT, IT SHOULD NOT BE CLEAR CUT AND THEN REPLANTED, UM, THE BUFFER NUMBER, UH, SIX B SO TALKS ABOUT THE 35 FOOT BUFFER ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH I POINTED OUT IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, UM, THEN IT ALSO DISCUSSES THE NUMBER C, UM, THAT THE FENCES SHALL BE INSTALLED, UH, PRIOR TO THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES.
THE FENCES WERE IDENTIFIED ON THE BLACK AND WHITE, UH, CONCEPT PLAN.
UM, AND THEN FOR D UM, UH, THAT THE UTILITIES WILL BE, OH, NO, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY, D THAT, UH, THE CONSTRUCT, THE EIGHT FOOT HIGH BERM ALONG THE, UM, PROPERTY LINES ALONG THREE, UM, THREE SEVENTIES SONGBIRD LANE, THERE WOULD BE AN EIGHT FOOT BUFFER.
AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN, THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, UM, WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS, THEY WILL BE UNDERGROUND.
UM, NUMBER EIGHT TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE, UM, AMENITIES WILL BE.
UM, THERE WILL BE WALKING TRAILS WITH FOUR FEET WIDE WITH, UH, WITH ALL WEATHER, WEATHER SURFACES, UM, AND THOSE ARE SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN SIDEWALKS, UH, WITH MINIMUM OF FOUR FEET WILL BE INSTALLED, UM, AT LEAST ONE SIDE OF EACH INTERNAL ROAD.
UM, AND THERE THEY ARE PROFFERING A CONNECTIVITY, UH, WITH THE, UM, TRAILS TO THE SIDEWALKS.
UM, THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT I HAD MENTIONED THAT IS A LONG HOCKET ROAD, UM, SHALL BE A VISUAL AMENITY TO CREATE A WATER FEATURE AND INCLUDE A GAZEBO OR A FOUNTAIN TYPE AND A FOUNTAIN TYPE AERATOR, UNLESS STRICTLY PROHIBITED BY GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS, UM, SOD AND IRRIGATION.
UH, SIGN AN IRRIGATION FRONT AND SIDE YARD SHELBY.
UM, INITIALLY CITED AND IRRIGATED, UM, SUPPLEMENTAL PLANNINGS OF AT LEAST TWO TREES PER SIDE YARD SHALL BE PROVIDED ON THE TWO LOTS WITH SIDE YARDS ADJACENT TO SONGBIRD LANE AT THE TIME OF THE, UH, UH, PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
UH, NUMBER 10, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, PROFFERED STREET TREES PLANTED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE INTERNAL STREET, APPROXIMATELY 50 FOOT INTERVALS WITH AT LEAST ONE STREET TREE PER LOT.
UM, THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 70 FEET, UH, STREETLIGHTS, IF THEY ARE TO BE PROVIDED WILL NOT EXCEED 12 FEET AND HEIGHT AND SHALL BE DECORATIVE IN STYLE AND, UH, BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
UH, NUMBER 13 SPEAKS OF THE ENTRANCE FEATURE AND, UM, PROJECT SIGN, UH, TALKS ABOUT, UM, IT BEING A GROUND MOUNTED AND THAT THE, UM, AGAIN, THE LIGHT FIXTURES, UM, FACE THE SIGN AND DO NOT HAVE, DO NOT TRESPASS OFF THE SIGN.
UM, THERE IS A CEMETERY LOCATED, UM, SOMEWHAT CENTRALLY ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE, UM, PROFFER NUMBER 14, UH, PROVIDES ACCESS AND A PARKING SPACE FOR THE CEMETERY.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE, THE, UM, CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL CASH PROFFER, UH, FOR NUMBER, EXCUSE ME, NUMBER 15, UM, STATES THAT THEY WILL PAY $9,810, POOR RESIDENTIAL, LOT TO HELP MITIGATE THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPACTS BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, NUMBER 16, UH, STUB ROADS CONNECTION.
SO IT'LL BE PROVIDED TO THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND THE WEST GENERALLY AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL
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PLAN.AND I POINTED THOSE OUT, UM, HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE SEVEN TO 7:00 PM AND NO CONSTRUCTION OUTSIDE SHALL OCCUR ON SUNDAYS.
THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.
UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MS. SHERRY BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? UH, JUST REAL QUICK.
I'LL PROBABLY HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH MORE IN A MINUTE, BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I SAW IN THE BOARD PACKET, UH, WAS, UH, FROM FIRE RESCUE ABOUT VEHICLES, THE, I THINK IT WAS ENTRANCES AND THE MAKEUP HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED.
UM, SO I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UM, AND, UH, THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE IT'S KIND OF COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES IN OUR MORE RECENT CASES.
UM, IT HAS BEEN, UH, SOMETHING THAT THE WAY HE DESCRIBED IT IS THAT THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED, UM, IT IS CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE.
THEY, UM, DO HAVE, UH, PREFERENCES FOR THERE TO BE, UM, LIKE, UM, UM, A FARTHER DISTANCE.
SO BASED ON HOSE LAYS, BUT, UM, THEY SAID THAT IF IT CAN NOT BE, UH, UM, OVERCOME AND THIS SITUATION, WE DID DO THE MATH AND IT COULD NOT BE OVERCOME.
THE BUILDING OFFICIAL OD GARY FISHER.
WHAT ABOUT THE FIRE CHIEF? UM, I DID NOT HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE FIRE CHIEF.
UM, UM, THE, UM, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL ACTUALLY DID, UM, HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
EDDIE FERGUSON, A FIRE RESCUE CHIEF.
UH, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, MR. GARY FISHER AT FIRE MARSHALL LAW.
WE, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT EACH OF THE DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, WE LOOK AT ACCESS IN AND OUT.
WE LIKE TO HAVE MORE WEIGHT IN AND OUT THAN JUST ONE.
WE LOOK AT, UH, THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, FOR, UH, POINTS WHERE THE ACCESS WOULD BE RESTRICTED.
AND SO OUR COMMENTS, UH, HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY HAVE BEEN HEARD.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, YOU ASKING THE QUESTION.
UM, AND WE, WE WORK THAT OUT THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT OCCURS, UH, DURING THE DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS AT THE COUNTY.
I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE HAD COVERED THAT I'M LOOKING AT ALL YOUR NEW EQUIPMENT.
WE LOOK AT THAT AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE, UH, IN, IN OUR COUNTY, UM, MR. GARY FISHER, UH, ALSO HAS A FIRE SERVICE BACKGROUND.
AND SO AS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS ALSO VERY WELL VERSED IN, UH, THE FIRE PROTECTION CODE, FIRE PREVENTION CODE AND HOW IT APPLIES TO OTHER NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
SO, UH, WE ARE VERY WELL-REPRESENTED THROUGH MYSELF AND GARY FISHER, AS WELL AS DOUG DAVIS, OUR FIRE MARSHALL SAYING, THANK YOU.
AND I APPRECIATE, I DON'T MEAN TO DISPARAGE THE OTHER STAFF IS WHEN IT, IT CAME THROUGH AS A COMMENT, UH, FROM THE FIRE CHIEF.
AND I JUST WANT TO BE SURE WE'RE ALL COVERED.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LET ME ASSURE YOU AT THIS TIME.
THE SUSHI, RIGHT? THIS ONE IS YOURS, RIGHT? UM, THEN SINCE THE ONE THAT I DOWNLOADED, YES.
I THOUGHT HE GAVE ME A POWER POINT, BUT OKAY.
YEAH, IT JUST DOESN'T FLOW AS WELL, BUT OKAY, VERY GOOD.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M JENNIFER MULLEN WITH ROTH JACKSON HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT FOR THE REZONING THAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
UH, WITH ME TONIGHT, I HAVE SCOTT GAZER AND JEFF KORNBLUH WITH THE APPLICANT, AS WELL AS ERIC STROH, HACKER, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, AND WITH TOWN SITE ENGINEERING.
WE HAVE BOTH BRIAN MITCHELL AND AUSTIN GOING.
SO WE CAN ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER, UM, APPRECIATE STAFF'S PRESENTATION THIS EVENING AND YOUR TIME.
UM, WE HAVE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UM, WHICH IS WHAT THE REVISION TO THE PROFFERS REFLECT BEFORE YOU, WHICH WERE, UM, AFTER THE PACKET WENT OUT AND I'LL WALK THROUGH THOSE THROUGHOUT MY PRESENTATION.
UM, MS. SHERRY DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF HIGHLIGHTING THOSE COMPONENTS.
UM, THE ONE PROFFER WITH RESPECT TO CONSTRUCTION HOURS, WE DID AGREE TO AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF WHAT HAD BEEN CHANGED SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND SO AS UM, WAS NOTED, THIS PROPERTY DOES CONTAIN FOUR PARCELS.
UM, IT CONTAINS OVER 65 ACRES IN ITS APPLICATION TO
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IT FROM A TWO TO RPU D THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON HOCKETT ROAD, WHICH IS A MAJOR COLLECTOR ROAD.IT IS NORTH OF HERMITAGE, HAMLET, AND KEN LOCKE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE COUNTY PROPERTY.
THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 87 ACRES.
THE SURROUNDING ZONING, WHICH WAS NOTED PREVIOUSLY IS ALSO A TO M ONE AND RPU D AND THAT JUST SHOWS OUR, OUR PROPERTY INSERTED.
SO YOU CAN GET A VISUAL, UM, AS MS. SHERRY, UH, NOTED THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA.
AND SHE READ THAT SECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR SINGLE FAMILY, LOW DENSITY.
IT IS ACROSS HOCKETT ROAD FROM PROPERTY RECOMMENDED FOR PRIME ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AREA.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS COMPRISED OF EIGHT CHAPTERS, EACH OF WHICH IS CONNECTED AND EQUALLY RELEVANT.
AND I WILL WALK THROUGH EACH OF THOSE DESIGNED TO CHANGE, TO CHANGE, EXCUSE ME, SHAPE THE VISION FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE FUTURE PLAN FOR GROWTH AND ESTABLISH A MEANS OF IMPLEMENTING EACH CHAPTER OF THE PLAN AS CHANGES NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN A THRIVING COMMUNITY.
THE SLIDE THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU JUST IDENTIFIES IN THE SECTION ALONG HOCKET ROAD, THAT WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED.
THERE ARE FIVE PARCELS, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE.
TWO OF WHICH ARE OWNED BY ONE FAMILY, TWO OF WHICH, UH, JOINED OUR PROPERTY IN ADDITION TO THE COUNTY'S 87 ACRES THAT, THAT I NOTED BEFORE.
AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT HERE IN A MOMENT, UM, TO TALK MORE ABOUT CHAPTER CHAPTER ONE IS JUST AN INTRODUCTION FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
CHAPTER TWO RELATES TO LAND USE AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
IT IS IN THE PLAN FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT IS ALSO IN THE PLAN FOR THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA.
AND IN ADDITION TO THE COMPONENT THAT WAS READ OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT IS ALSO RECOMMENDED FOR THE AREA IN ORDER TO KEEP 85% OF THE COUNTY MORE RURAL IN NATURE.
THIS PROPERTY IS IN A GOOD LOCATION BEING ON A MAJOR COLLECTOR ROAD AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM A PRIME ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AREA WITH WEST CREEK, JUST TO THE EAST OF THAT, THE DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED WITH SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE MAINTAINED AND SUPPLEMENTED AS WAS DISCUSSED WITH A HUNDRED FEET OFF OF HOCKET ROAD, 50 FEET TO THE SOUTH 35 FEET, WHICH IS ONE OF THE CHANGES WE'LL TALK ABOUT TO THE NORTH, WITH THE ADDITIONAL RELOCATION OF A, OF A DRIVEWAY.
AND THAT ENDS UP WITH A SUPPLEMENTED ENHANCEMENT WITH EITHER A FENCE OR A BERM.
SO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WAS IT WAS A NEWER COMMENT, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO OUR OPEN SPACE, UM, PROFFER THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD A WALK THROUGH THAT PIECE IN A MOMENT, BUT JUST AS A, AS A SIDE NOTE, UM, AS SHOWN ON THE COMP THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS THAT THOSE BUFFERS BE INSTALLED AND SUPPLEMENTED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST CERTIFICATE AND A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAS RAISED JUST BASED ON PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE, UH, WITH SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT BUFFERS AND WHEN THEY'RE GOING IN AND HOW THAT, HOW THAT LANDSCAPING IS SUPPLEMENTED.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY INCLUDED THAT PROFFER AND ON THE, IN THE PACKET THAT YOU HAVE, UM, THESE AREAS COULD BE WITHIN THE LOTS, AS SOME OF THE QUESTION WAS, WAS DISCUSSED, BUT THE PROFFERED CONDITION ENSURES THAT THEY'RE MAINTAINED AND SUPPLEMENTED AS PRESENTED.
SO WHILE, UM, THE ACREAGE MAY BE DISCUSSED AS BEING REMOVED FROM THE DENSITY THAT THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT PROFFERED BUFFER IS WHAT RUNS WITH THE LAND TO MAINTAIN THE BUFFER AS MAINTAINED AS REQUIRED BY OUR PROFFERS, WHICH IS ENFORCEABLE, UM, AS A, AS A PROFFER RUNNING WITH THE LAND, FOCUSING ON THE DEVELOPMENT, BEING WITHIN THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA TO IMPLEMENT THE RURAL STRATEGIES, CHAPTER LEAVES, THOSE FIVE PARCELS THAT I, THAT I HIGHLIGHTED PREVIOUSLY HERE, UH, AND THAT WOULD HELP TO, UM, IDENTIFY WHERE ADDITIONAL GROWTH MAY OCCUR.
AGAIN, THIS IS STILL ON HOCKETT ROAD, UM, WITH THE ADDITIONAL RIGHTS OF WAY THAT HAS BEEN PROFFERED IN OUR PROFFERS, UM, TO IMPLEMENT THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS RECOMMENDED FOR THIS AREA OF HOCKET ROAD, IN ADDITION TO PAYING THE FULL CASH PROFFER, UM, PER THE COUNTY POLICY, AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS MODEL, WHICH ARE THE SAME INTERSECTIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WITH THE REDUCED LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED.
WE HAVE ALSO PROFFERED THE, UM, TURN LANES, WHICH WERE THE CONCLUSIONS MADE OUT OF OUR TRAN TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WERE DIRECTLY RELATED TO OUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE MAKING THE CASH PROFFER AND MAKING THE IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO OUR DEVELOPMENT.
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AND WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE REQUESTED TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE TCSD.THESE ARE THE EXISTING PARCELS IN THE TCSD AND YELLOW.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT IS BRINGING WATER TO THE, THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS ABOUT 4,000 FEET FROM THE NORTH ON HOCKET ROAD.
THE IMPROVEMENT TO THE PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM IS NOT ONLY CONSISTENT WITH THE PUBLIC UTILITIES CHAPTER OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT IS ALSO ALREADY INCLUDED WITHIN THE CIP THAT THE COUNTY WOULD NOT THEN NEED TO PAY FOR THAT SECTION.
AS SHOWN ON THE SURVEY, THERE IS AN EXISTING CEMETERY SORT OF IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE HAVE, UM, PROFFERED TO MAINTAIN AND MAINTAIN ACCESS AND PARKING TO THAT CEMETERY.
AND THIS IMPLEMENTS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMPONENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY.
IN ADDITION, THERE IS AN EXISTING EASEMENT, UM, WHICH I KNOW THAT I'VE EMAILED YOU ALL ABOUT, AND YOU'VE HEARD DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
UM, THE SEASONING AND THAT HAS SHOWN RUNNING FROM AN A, IS THE TOP BUTTON, THE POINTER.
SO THAT RUNS ALONG SONGBIRD HERE, UM, AS WAS DISCUSSED, THIS IS AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, AND CURRENTLY RUNS DOWN HERE.
THERE ARE, UM, ENCROACHMENTS OR AREAS THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED BY THE EASEMENT, WHICH HAVE BEEN, UM, CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE EASEMENT DOES NOT DICTATE THE USE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT WE HAVE, UM, WORKED WITH MR. VINSON AND HIS WIFE IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS WITH RESPECT TO THEIR USE OF THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH IS, UM, ALSO ZONED TO 82, BUT THEY DO HAVE A HOME BUSINESS, UM, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS A LANDSCAPING COMPANY.
UM, IT IT'S DOES NOT HAVE THE OUTSIDE EMPLOYEES.
IT DOES NOT HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, BUT WE HAVE WORKED TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE POSED WITH RESPECT TO PRIVACY AS THEY HAVE A, UH, A 20 FOOT EASEMENT CURRENTLY.
UM, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UM, IN THE ALTERNATIVE, THERE IS A STATE CODE PROCESS WHICH ALLOWS LANDOWNERS TO RELOCATE EASEMENTS THAT TRAVERSE THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS THROUGH A PETITION TO THE CIRCUIT COURT.
OBVIOUSLY WE THINK THAT, UM, THAT OBVIOUSLY A SEPARATE FROM THE BOARD PROCESS, BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE WOULD NOT NEED TO GO, UM, SEPARATELY TO THE CIRCUIT COURT.
WE DID MAKE PROVISIONS FOR THE EASEMENT, UM, WITHIN THE, THE REVISED LAYOUT, WE'VE HAD A FEW DIFFERENT LAYOUTS OF THIS, OF THIS PLAN, UM, THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO THE NEIGHBORS, TO PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN TRYING TO FURTHER REVISE THAT, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT, THAT WE HEARD.
UM, WE DID DESIGN THE DEVELOPMENT AND ITS ROAD NETWORK TO MAKE CONSIDERATIONS, TO MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE ACCESS TO THAT PARCEL, WHICH IS CURRENTLY LANDLOCKED IT'S ACCESS IS AGAIN, ONLY THROUGH THAT 20 FOOT EASEMENT.
AND THESE INCLUDE THE 50 FOOT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH THE HOME BUSINESS, AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS.
UM, THE 50 FOOT BUFFER WAS INCREASED.
SO YOU WILL SEE THIS JUST SHOWS SO HERE, AND THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED AGAIN.
AND I THINK I'LL, I'LL GET A BETTER VIEW FOR YOU IN A MINUTE.
UM, THOSE LOTS, IF YOU CAN SEE THE THREE LOTS THAT WERE THERE WERE RELOCATED, SO TO PROVIDE MORE, UM, OPEN SPACE BEHIND THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OR IN BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE LOTS, AND TO PROVIDE A, THE DARK GREEN REPRESENTS, UH, EIGHT FOOT BERM, WHICH IS PROFFERED TO BE SUPPLEMENTED, UM, WITH LANDSCAPING, UM, THAT WE PROPOSE TO BE SIX FOOT AT THE TIME OF PLANTING AND TWO, UM, FOOT ROWS, SO EIGHT FOOT ON CENTER.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE EVERGREEN VEGETATION THAT IS SIX FEET TALL AT THE TIME OF INSTALLATION ON TOP OF AN EIGHT FOOT TALL BUFFER BEHIND, UM, THE OPEN SPACE AREA THAT YOU SEE THERE TO HELP TO MAINTAIN THE PRIVACY.
UM, IN ADDITION, THAT DEVELOPER HAS OFFERED TO PAY TO EXTEND THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS IN THE LOT THAT MS. SHERRI POINTED OUT, LET ME GET TO THE BLACK AND WHITE CAUSE I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY EASIER.
SO THROUGH LOT A HERE, UM, AND ONE OF THE CHANGES, THE MAIN CHANGE THAT WE MADE WAS THINKING ABOUT THE, THE CONCERN OF PRIVACY.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE EXISTING EASEMENT AND COMES DOWN RIGHT ADJACENT TO 3 72, THEN TAKE THE, THE BUFFER AREA BEHIND AND TAKE THAT SO THAT WE CAN RELOCATE THAT EASEMENT.
SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE 20 FOOT PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE.
THE DEVELOPER WOULD CONSTRUCT THIS 50 FOOT, AND YOU WOULD HAVE A DIRECT SHOT INTO THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS PROPERTY.
UM, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY
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HAS INDICATED THAT HE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A, UM, UH, EARTHEN BERM.SO TAKING THE SAME APPROACH WITH THE EIGHT FOOT EARTH BERM, WHICH WOULD BE SUPPLEMENTALLY PLANTED AS OPPOSED TO THE FENCE THAT WE HAD PROPOSED, UM, ORIGINALLY IN THE PROFFERS.
AND SO YOU SEE THAT CHANGE ALSO HIGHLIGHTED IN THE, IN THE RED LINE VERSION OF YOUR PROFFERS TO REMOVE THE BOARD ONBOARD PRIVACY FENCE AND CHANGE THAT TO THE EARTH AND BERM.
HOWEVER, ALL THAT TO BE SAID, WE COULD RETAIN THE EXISTING EASEMENT IF THAT WERE NECESSARY AND RECONFIGURE THE, THE, UM, THE LOTS THERE.
I THINK AS A MATTER OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT A DESIRABLE, UM, SOLUTION FOR EITHER PARTY AND THE THREE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE PROPOSED, PARTICULARLY, UM, THIS VERSION, I THINK PROVIDES THE BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR, FOR EVERYONE TO MITIGATE THE CONCERNS OF THE PRIVACY THAT THE EXISTING EASEMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A NON-EXCLUSIVE EASEMENT, UH, DO YOU NEED TO STATE THAT IT IS NOT AN EXCLUSIVE EASEMENT FOR THAT USER? IT IS A NON-EXCLUSIVE EASEMENT, UM, BUT TO PROVIDE THEM WITH THAT, UM, WITH THAT ACCESS, WHICH THEY NOW HAVE NOW CONNECTION DIRECTLY TO PUBLIC ROAD COMING INTO THE PROPERTY IS, UH, IS AN ELEGANT SOLUTION THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY WILL ALLEVIATE THE CONCERNS.
AND SO THAT IS SHOWN HERE ON THE CONCEPT PLAN AS RENDERED.
THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT AS SHOWN, UM, WITH THE CHAPTERS THREE THROUGH SEVEN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PANT PLAN AND COMPATIBLE WITH CHAPTER TWO, BASED ON THE HIGH QUALITY NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE KEY FEATURES THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED, UM, THAT HAVE EVOLVED THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS WITH NEGO, WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THE STAFF.
THOSE INCLUDE THE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER ON HOCKET ROAD, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE LANGUAGE, IT INCLUDES MAINTAINING THE MATURE TREES AND THEN SUPPLEMENTED WITH GRADING PROHIBITED, EXCEPT FOR THE ENTRANCE ROADS AND UTILITIES, VEGETATION ONLY REMOVED FOR STORMWATER AND UTILITIES.
AND THERE WAS A QUESTION JUST WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THE VISIBILITY MAY BE.
SO THIS IS ALL A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER.
THIS SECTION, RIGHT, WHERE MY POINTER IS, IS THE NARROWEST, AND THAT IS 35 FEET, BUT THAT TWO WOULD BE SUPPLEMENTALLY PLANTED.
SO WE COULD ALSO DO, UM, THE SIX FOOT TALL EVERGREENS THAT ARE, UM, EIGHT FOOT ON CENTER AND OFF, UM, OFF CENTER THEMSELVES, SO THAT YOU HAVE A MATURE SCREEN OF EVERGREEN TREES IN THAT SECTION.
UM, THIS SECTION UP HERE IS ABOUT 75 FEET.
SO YOU DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER AND THEN IT HAS ALSO BUFFERED BEHIND.
SO IF FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT COMING DOWN HOCKETT, UM, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD STILL BE SCREENED, UM, FROM SEEING ANY LOTS.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE PROFFERED TO REPLACE THE TREES, UM, AT THE MINIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET AT THE TIME OF PLANTING.
UM, WE'VE INCREASED THE BUFFERS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE HAVE THE SUPPORT FROM THE PERIMETER NEIGHBORS HERE.
UM, AND WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE PERIMETER NEIGHBOR HERE, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, MEMBERS OF THE HERMITAGE HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD, WHO I BELIEVE WILL BE SPEAKING LATER THIS EVENING, UM, ALL THOSE TWO TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, CONCERNS WITH RESPECT TO HOW THE, HOW THE BUFFERS WOULD BE MAINTAINED.
UM, THERE ARE FENCES THAT ARE, WILL BE ALSO INSTALLED, AND THOSE ARE ALSO PROFFERED, UM, AS WELL.
UM, THIS JUST SHOWS YOU THE, THE SEWER CONNECTION FOR THE SANITARY SEWER, UM, THAT WOULD BE COMING INTO THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE BLUE LINE REFLECTS THE, THE WATERLINE.
UH, THERE ARE LOTS ARE, UM, A MINIMUM SIZE AS PROFFERED, AND THEY ARE AGAIN, DESIGNED TO TUCK IN AND MAXIMIZE THE OPEN SPACE.
SO WE HAVE, UM, OVER 30% OF OPEN SPACE, UM, AND THAT EXCLUDES OUR REQUIRED BUFFER AREA WITH THAT IT'S NORTH OF 30% CLOSER TO 40%.
WE HAVE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE TRAIL SYSTEM, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN YELLOW.
UM, AND WITH THOSE AMENITIES, THEY'RE GEARED TOWARDS THE LANDSCAPING TO KEEP THAT RURAL FEEL AND TYING INTO THE STORMWATER POND, WHICH AGAIN WILL BE, UH, A FEATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS JUST SHOWS, UH, A FEW, UM, PICTURES THAT ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WALKING TRAIL.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE PROFFERED THAT TO BE A MINIMUM OF FOUR FOOT, ALL WEATHER SURFACE WITH SIDEWALKS, UM, GOING THROUGHOUT, AND THIS JUST GIVES A REPRESENTATION OF, UH, THE TYPE OF SIGN THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR OUR ENTRANCE FEATURE.
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STORMWATER POND, THERE WOULD BE A GAZEBO OR A LITTLE PATIO AREA AS WELL.UM, SO THAT, THAT IS A, A COMMUNITY FEATURE AROUND THE STORMWATER POND.
THAT AGAIN, WILL BE AERATED, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS AND ELEVATIONS.
THIS IS OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK I SAW SOME, SOME NOTES THAT IT, UM, MAY HAVE INDICATED IT WAS TOWNHOUSES.
IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AGAIN, THE SIZES OF THESE HYMNS RE RANGE FROM 2005, 2,500 SQUARE FEET TO 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WITH PRICE POINT STARTING IN APPROXIMATELY 500,000 TO 600,000, THIS IS CREATING A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS A BENEFIT TO OUR NEIGHBORS AS NOTED WITH THEIR LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
UM, I WILL OFFER THESE INTO THE RECORD.
I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF MOST OF THESE.
WE ARE NOW UP TO 46, UM, SUPPORT LETTERS.
SO I WILL LEAVE THOSE TO BE, TO BE SCANNED INTO THE RECORD AS WELL.
UM, IT ALSO IS, IS A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT I LISTED WITH THE COMPLIANCE OF THE, OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM UTILITIES TO DIVERSITY OF HOUSING, TO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING ADJACENT TO EXISTING JOBS, AS WELL AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA, WHICH IS A REAL ATTRACTOR TO NEW BUSINESSES COMING IN TO LOCATE IN THE COUNTY, KNOWING THAT THEY HAVE HOUSING STOCK AND CLOSE PROXIMITY, UM, TO THOSE BUSINESSES.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE TIME NECESSARY FOR REBUTTAL.
WE DO COME BEFORE YOU WITH UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF PLANNING COMMISSION AS WAS NOTED IN STAFF'S PRESENTATION, UM, AS WELL AS OUR LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
AND YOU SAID YOU'D FEEL SOME QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY YES, SIR.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT'S COUNSEL AT THIS TIME? I DON'T SEE ANY SO WE'LL UM, YEAH, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY TIME TO TAKE A LITTLE STRETCH BREAK.
WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR AN HOUR.
IS IT AN HOUR AND A HALF? YEAH.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND GET INTO THE, TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE AROUND HERE TO TAKE VERY SHORT BREAKS, BUT LET'S TRY TO GET GOING BACK AT THE, YOU KNOW, 10, 10 TO 10 OR THEREABOUTS
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GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION.SO FOLKS IN, IN TWO 70 IS EMPTY NOW, RIGHT? I'M SURE YOU HAVE THE OVERFLOW ROOMS EMPTY.
SO IF, IF YOU'RE IN HERE AND YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ON THIS APPLICATION, PLEASE COME FORWARD AGAIN, SAME RULES APPLY, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TRY TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME UP HERE AND SAY THINGS.
SO I'M GOING TO LET THEM COME UP AND SAY THINGS HERE.
I LIVE AT 2140 PROFIT ROAD, MANNEQUIN SABOT AND I AM GIVING MY THREE MINUTES TO JONATHAN MILE.
MA'AM TIM MORE 2173 PROPHET ROAD, MANNEQUIN SAVAGE 20.
UM, I'M GIVEN, I'M DONATING MY TIME TO JONATHAN LYLES.
WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE AT YOUR MAX, I THINK AT THIS POINT.
WELL, AT FOUR, IT SAID ON THE LITTLE SHELF THAT THEY PASSED THAT JOHN TUNING FROM THREE 30 ROCKFIELD ROAD, AND I'M GOING TO DEFER MY TIME IF HE NEEDS IT.
THANK YOU, MS. BEST K, WHICH IS GOING TO PULL UP A POWERPOINT.
AND IN MY BEST DAY, IT'LL TAKE SEVEN MINUTES.
NO, IT DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST HER TOO.
I'VE EVER KNOWN WHAT TO DO WITH YEAH, I PROBABLY NOT GOING TO TOUCH IT.
WE'LL BE DONE AFTER ONE SLOT, JOHN FILL OUT 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS A COMMUNITY PRESENTATION.
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IT'S NOT JUST ME.IT'S UH, THE FOLKS HERE TONIGHT, AS WELL AS THE THOUSANDS VIEWING FROM HOME.
SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO IS, UH, TALK ABOUT HOW, WHAT APPEARS TO BE ON PAPER.
I HAVE NOT TOO BAD OF A PLAN COULD BE MADE BETTER.
AND THAT'S BY APPLYING THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, JUST CUTTING TO THE CHASE.
WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST THAT YOU DEFER THE REQUEST AS IT'S PRESENTLY PRESENTED, UH, THAT ALLOWS IT TO BE RE SUBMITTED, REVISED THAT INCORPORATES THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GUIDANCE.
NOW WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT THAT WHILE THIS DOES FIT GUIDANCE, CAUSE THERE ARE EIGHT CHAPTERS MAGICALLY FIT TOGETHER, BUT GROWTH DOES NOT JUST MEAN HIGH DENSITY GROWTH ALSO MEANS LOW DENSITY.
SO WHEN IT SAYS THAT THIS IS A AREA DESIGNATED FOR GROWTH, LOW DENSITY IS GROWTH.
AND WE'RE NOT SAYING NO GROWTH.
WE'RE SAYING LET'S DO WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO AGAIN, NOT AGAINST GROWTH, THERE'S SIX POINTS TO CONSIDER THE VALUE OF FOLLOWING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, GUIDELINES, HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT HINDERS THE GOAL OF A 70, 30, UH, BUSINESS, UH, RESIDENTIAL TAX BASE.
THERE IS TRAFFIC IMPACT THAT PENALIZATION OF AN EXISTING SMALL BUSINESS IN GOOCHLAND TO BENEFIT HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL GROWTH.
AND WHERE DO I ACKNOWLEDGING THE BENEFITS OF ADDING PARCELS TO THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT? AND WE THINK THERE ARE REVISIONS THAT COULD GET US TO, YES, PREDICTABILITY.
WE'VE HEARD IT UNSCRIPTED EARLIER TONIGHT THAT PEOPLE DO LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN THEY'RE MAKING A REAL ESTATE DECISIONS.
WHAT KIND OF CONFIDENCE CAN SOMEONE HAVE WHEN TODAY OR 10 YEARS AGO THEY BUY PROPERTY THINKING THAT MY NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE MEDIUM DENSITY, LOW DENSITY, UH, GROWTH, AND THEN FIND OUT, WHOOPS, NO IT'S GOING TO BE HIGH DENSITY GROWTH.
UH, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, I'M GOING TO NOTICE THAT I'M GOING TO READ THE SCREEN.
UH, THE SONGBIRD APPEARS TO BE ATTRACTIVE.
IT'S IT'S WELL DESIGNED BETTER THAN ANYTHING I COULD DRAW.
AND IT HAS APPEALING AMENITIES.
IT'S A GREAT PLAN IN THE WRONG LOCATION, HIGH DENSITY, R P U D ISN'T SUITABLE FOR THIS LOCATION.
IT JUMPS FROM A ONE, A TWO OVERLOAD DENSITY OVER MEDIUM DENSITY DIRECTLY TO RPU D HIGH DENSITY.
IS THERE REALLY A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO IGNORING THE COMP PLANS, GARDENS OF LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
THE BENEFITS PREVIOUSLY CITED IN THE HIGH DENSITY REQUEST CAN ALL BE ACHIEVED.
LOW DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE LANDSCAPING AND TREE BUFFERS.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE THOSE.
IF IT'S LOW DENSITY OR MEDIUM DENSITY, YOU CAN ADD PARCELS TO THE TCSD.
IF IT'S LOW DENSITY OR MEDIUM DENSITY, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RPU D HIGH DENSITY.
UH, YOU CAN PAY FOR CONNECTION LINES, BOONE, BOONE HOMES, MOOT FARMS. HERE'S MY PAST, UH, BOONE HOMES HAS DONE IT AND MAIN STREET HOMES HAS DONE IT.
UH, AND, AND THE FULL TISHLER BUYS MISFILL, UH, PRO OFFER PAYMENTS TAKE PLACE, WHETHER IT'S LOW DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY OR HIGH DENSITY.
SO IS THERE REALLY A BENEFIT, A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO IGNORE THE COMP PLANS, GUIDANCE FOR LOW DENSITY, THE DEVELOPERS, OKAY.
HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HINDERS ACHIEVING A 70, 30 RESIDENTIAL BUSINESS TAX BASE.
LAST MONTH AT THE EDA PRESENTATION TO THIS BOARD, THEY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THEY'RE WORKING ON TO GET US TO A 30% REVENUE TAX BASE.
IF YOU KEEP ADDING AND THE 70 BECOMES BIGGER AND BIGGER, YOU JUST HAVE A BIGGER DELTA.
THE MAKEUP, THERE ARE 3000 PLUS MORE OR LESS MIGHT BE MORE, MIGHT BE LESS RESIDENTIAL BURNER, BUILDING PERMITS ALREADY IN THE HOPPER.
THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN A VACUUM.
SO DO WE REALLY WANT TO GET TO A 30% BUSINESS BASE, WHICH I BELIEVE WE DO? CAN WE DO THAT? IF WE KEEP ADDING RESIDENTIAL, KEEP ADDING RESIDENTIAL LOW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS STILL DEVELOPMENT.
RPU D IS GOING TO MAKE IT HARDER AND HARDER FOR US TO HIT THAT 30%.
IN FACT, I BELIEVE IT WAS A YEAR AGO.
THIS BOARD, EVERY ONE HERE, I BELIEVE SIGNALED ITS DESIRE TO GROW BUSINESS ACTIVITY IN GOOCHLAND WITH ITS REZONING FOR MANNEQUIN TOWN.
IT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL FIRST, THEN THE HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL INSIDE THE VILLAGE OF CENTERVILLE.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WHAT IS A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO GO INTO A HIGH DENSITY RPU D AND IGNORING WHAT THE COMP PLAN SUGGEST IS LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, TRAFFIC IMPACT IT'S IT'S ACKNOWLEDGED.
THE INTERSECTIONS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED.
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YOU CAN'T ADD MORE CARS TO ERODE THAT ISN'T BEING WIDENED OR OTHERWISE IMPROVED WITHOUT HAVING ADDITIONAL IMPACTS ON IT.READER'S BRANCH IS NOT COMPLETELY BUILT ON MOSAICS, NOT COMPLETELY BUILT OUT.
AND WITH INTERSECTIONS ALREADY FAILING, GOING TO HIGH DENSITY VERSUS LOW DENSITY, OR EVEN MEDIUM DENSITY IS GOING TO EXACERBATE THAT TRAFFIC ISSUE.
WHEN I'M WORKING WITH MY NUTRITIONIST ON MY RUNNING PROGRAM, IT'S NOT SUGGESTED THAT I ADD CALORIES TO MY DIET TO LOSE WEIGHT.
IT'S SUGGESTED THAT I EITHER MAINTAIN HOW MANY CALORIES I GOT OR MINIMALLY ADD CALORIES, BUT DON'T OVERFILL BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS.
ADDING MORE CARS TO HOCKET ROAD WITH HIGH DENSITY.
RPU D DOES NOT SEEM TO MAKE SENSE.
AND IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE MEDIUM OR LOW DENSITY THAT THE COMP PLAN SUGGESTS.
THERE'S AN EXISTING SMALL BUSINESS IN GOOCHLAND.
IT'S GOING TO BE PENALIZED IF YOU LISTENED TO OR AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I BELIEVE THE COMMENT WAS IT'S NOT VERY GOOCHLAND TO PENALIZE A SMALL BUSINESS IN OTHER, IN, IN ORDER TO BENEFIT HIGH DENSITY.
DON'T PLAY ONE ON TV, BUT VIRGINIA LAW MIGHT ALLOW WHAT I'LL CALL EXPROPRIATED DEEDED RIGHT AWAY.
BUT IS THAT HOW GOOGELY WANTS TO OPERATE? DO WE WANT TO SEND A SIGNAL THAT, YEAH, THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO THAT IN ORDER TO BENEFIT HIGH DENSITY, RPU D DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'LL MAKE THAT DECISION TONIGHT WITH YOUR VOTE, IF YOU SAY SURE.
A 50 FOOT ACCESS WIDE ACCESS THROUGH A HIGH DENSITY.
RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY SEEMS A POOR WAY TO SUBSTITUTE FOR A NON-INTRUSIVE DEEDED RIGHT AWAY.
NOT EXCLUSIVE PERHAPS, BUT IT IS STILL NON-INTRUSIVE.
WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT OF GOING TO RPU D HI, DAN.
ADDING THE PARCELS THAT TCSD, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I HEARD IT, UH, WHEN MR. LEE'S FIELD JUST LAST MONTH EDITS HIS PARCELS TO THE TCSD.
IT ELIMINATES SOME OF THAT PATCHWORK THAT'S OUT THERE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE HIGH DENSITY.
R P U D RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO SEE PARCELS COME INTO THE TCSD.
MR. LEE'S FIELD SAID HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT PLANS, BUT HE'S STILL ADDING THEM.
OTHER DEVELOPERS HAVE ADDED PARCELS WITHOUT IT BEING RPU D HIGH DENSITY.
UH, AND THEY'VE ALSO COVERED THE EXPENSES OF BRINGING WATER, EXTENSION SEWER EXTENSIONS TO THEIR PROPERTY.
THE QUESTION'S THE SAME AT THE END OF EVERY SLOT.
WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT OF IGNORING THE COMP PLANS, GUIDANCE FOR LOW DENSITY.
NOBODY'S SUGGESTING OTHERWISE YOU FOLKS KNOW IT BETTER THAN PROBABLY ANYBODY BECAUSE YOU CONSIDER THE GROWTH REQUESTS THAT ARE COMING TO THE COUNTY.
CAN THE COMP PLAN BE USED, AND WE HOPE IT CAN TO HELP US GROW GRACEFULLY TACO BRIDGE, THE OAKS MANNEQUIN TOWN ARE EXAMPLES OF HOW RESIDENTS AND DEVELOPERS WORK TOGETHER TO GET TO YES.
IN ALL OF THOSE INSTANCES, REDUCING DENSITY AND EMPHASIZING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO LET ME REPEAT MY FAVORITE QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT OF IGNORING THE COMP PLANS? LOW DENSITY GROWTH ROATH IN ORDER TO PUT IN HIGH DENSITY RPU D IS IT POSSIBLE? WE HOPE IT IS TO DEFER THIS REQUEST TONIGHT AND COME BACK TO THE TABLE WITH A SOLUTION THAT ISN'T HIGH DENSITY.
IF IT HAS TO BE RPU D HIGH DENSITY, THE REQUEST OF MANY OF US IS THAT YOU DENY IT, BUT IF LOW DENSITY OR MEDIUM DENSITY CAN BE DONE, I'M NOT AN ARTIST, BUT PHOTOSHOPS, VERY FORGIVING.
YOU CAN ELIMINATE SOME OF THOSE, UH, THOSE BUILDING LOTS.
YOU CAN DROP THAT SECOND EXIT OR ENTRANCE DOWN, PROVIDE A STRAIGHT LINE ACCESS RIGHT AWAY FOR THE VINCENT AND MAYBE LIFE IS GOOD.
WE'RE REQUESTING DEFERRAL TO ALLOW LOW DENSITY, MAYBE MEDIUM DENSITY REZONING.
YOU'VE SEEN IT TONIGHT ONCE ALREADY.
AND I WROTE THIS BEFORE TONIGHT.
NO, ON THE FLY, MAJOR, REVISIONS, BACK AND FORTH, IT JUST IS REALLY CONFUSING FOR THOSE OF US OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.
AND IF IT HAS TO BE RPU D HIGH DENSITY, WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL DENY IT.
AND I DID GO OVER A LITTLE BIT AND I PROBABLY THANK YOU, MR. HALL.
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SWINBURNE ROAD, MANNEQUIN SABOT UM, MR. CHAIRMAN BOARD MEMBERS, MS. MCGEE.THANK YOU ALL YOU DO TO MAKE GOOCHLAND A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE.
PLEASE DON'T DESTROY IT BY BED ZONING DECISIONS ON ITS FACE.
SONGBIRD PROPOSAL SEEMS TO TAKE ALL THE REQUISITE BOXES, BUT THE APPLICATION AS MR LYALL SAID HAS AT LEAST ONE GLARING FLAW DENSITY FOR ITS LOCATION.
OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON PAGE TWO 13 DISCOURAGES HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT ON VILLAGE FRINGES.
THE SONGBIRD PROPERTY IS FAR FROM THE EDGE OF THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE, WHICH IS ALREADY PART OF THE TCSD AND CONTAIN SEVERAL LARGE TRACKS OF DEVELOPMENT LAND.
MANY OF WHICH HAVE BEEN FOR SALE DURING MOST OF THE 21ST CENTURY, SEVERAL HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ALREADY IN THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE, INCLUDING READER'S BRANCH.
MOSAIC IS IN WEST CREEK, WHICH IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL, MEDIUM DENSITY AND AVERAGE OF ONE HOME PER ACRE, REGARDLESS OF THE AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC UTILITIES IS A BETTER CHOICE FOR THIS LAND THAN HIGH DENSITY.
UP TO 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE, THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND MAJOR VILLAGES, LOWER DENSITY WOULD TAPER THE DENSITY AWAY FROM THE VILLAGE APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED DESTROYS THE PREMISE OF CONCENTRATING GROWTH IN MAJOR VILLAGES TO PROTECT RURAL AREAS FROM SPRAWL, AS YOU DISCUSSED IN THE PREVIOUS CASE.
IN FACT, AS PRESENTED THIS APPLICATION IS SPRAWL SPOT ZONING AND ENCOURAGES MORE OF THE SAME.
AND REZONING IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT OFTEN TWEAK BEFORE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS, MAY RESULT IN A PRODUCT DIFFERENT FROM THAT, WHICH IS BEFORE YOU TODAY, PLEASE DEFER A VOTE ON THIS PROJECT TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO PREPARE A RESUME, TO PREPARE A REVISION MORE IN TUNE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BORROW FROM MR. LYLE, HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT GOOCHLAND? THANK YOU.
MARIE OWEN, 6 21 FED LANE, MANNEQUIN SEVEN.
SO I'M GOING TO READ THIS JUST CAUSE IT'S EASIER.
SO HERE I AM, AGAIN, I'D LIKE THE COUNTY TO UP TO STOP, ALWAYS AGREEING TO A DEVELOPER'S REQUEST FOR A HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
RPDS DID NOT ADD TO THE RURAL ASPECTS OF OUR COUNTY.
I UNDERSTAND GROWTH, BUT WHY NOT? ONE HOUSE ON A MIXTURE OF ONE, TWO ACRES, UM, AND NOT 130 HOME SITES ON 65 ACRES OF WHICH ABOUT 20 ACRES IS OPEN FORCING THE LOT SIZES TO BE SOMEWHERES AROUND WHAT A QUARTER TO A HALF OF AN ACRE.
THAT'S NOT VERY RURAL IN NATURE.
THE COMP PLAN WAS WORKED ON BY A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD PLAN.
NOW, EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND, SOME DEVELOPER WANTS TO GIVE YOU A MONETARY ONE TIME PROFFER AND SQUEEZE AS MANY LIVING QUARTERS INTO A SMALL, AN AREA AS POSSIBLE.
THE MONEY IN THE PROFFER WILL NOT LAST LONG WHEN IT'S GONE, ALL THE PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO STILL BE THERE AND NO MORE EXTRA MONEY WILL BE COMING IN OTHER THAN TEXAS.
SO ALSO THE DEVELOPERS DO NOT CARE HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS ON HOCKET ROAD.
THE TRAFFIC FROM THE VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY IN PLAY ON THE BROAD STREET INTO HOCKET IS FRIGHTENING.
ALSO THAT LITTLE SMALL BUSINESS DESERVES ITS OWN ENTRY ONTO HOCKET.
SO THE NUTSHELL VERSION OF MY SPEECH IS FOR YOU TO DEFER THE DEVELOPMENT AS IT STANDS AND ONLY APPROVE IT.
IF THE DEVELOPER AGREES TO A LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU, MS. OWENS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, YOU CAN COME ON UP TO THE FRONT FRONT, UH, ROSIE.
WE KIND OF KEEPING THAT EMPTY, SORRY.
EXCUSE ME, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M GAINES TAVERNER, I'M A LAWYER AT CHRISTIAN AND BARTON IN RICHMOND.
UH, WE REPRESENT, UH, ROCHELLE AND MARTA VINSON WHO LIVE AT 3 71 SONGBIRD LANE, WHICH IS AT THE TERMINUS OF SONGBIRD TO THE SOUTHWEST BEHIND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND AS DESCRIBED, UH, THEIR SOLE MEANS OF ACCESS IS THROUGH THE 20 FOOT WIDE CURRENT EASEMENT, WHICH SERVES 3 71 SONGBIRD AND THREE 50 AND PROVIDES ACCESS TO AND ROAD.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT CONCERNING THE RELOCATION OF THE SEAS.
THE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT WITH A NOTATION THAT THE EASEMENT WAS TO BE VACATED.
AND THE PLAN HERE TONIGHT IS STILL SHOWING THAT SAME THING.
WE DO THINK THAT WE CAN REACH A MUTUALLY SATISFACTORY EASEMENT, BUT THE LATEST PROPOSAL WAS JUST PRESENTED TO US AS WE WALKED IN THIS
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EVENING AND IT'S WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION, BUT THE KEY WORD IS CONSIDERATION.WE'D LIKE SOME TIME TO REVIEW IT BECAUSE IT DIRECTLY AFFECTS HIM AND MRS. VINSON AND THEIR ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
UH, SO WE ARE EITHER REQUESTING A DENIAL OR A DEFERRAL IN ORDER TO ALLOW THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE.
AND MR. VINCENT IS HERE AND I THINK HE LIKES.
I'M HAPPY TO BE A GOOCHLAND CITIZEN.
UM, AND I RE YOU KNOW, AS THE LAWYERS SAY, WE GOT THE PROPOSAL WHEN WE WALK IN, UM, WE MET SOME, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT WE NEVER HAVE A CLEAR EXP YOU KNOW, EXPLANATION WHAT WOULD TAKE PLACE.
SO I LIKE TO ASK YOU GUYS FOR MORE TIME.
I LIVE AT 2, 2 6, 2 WHEATLAND STRIVE AND MANNEQUINS HABIT.
I'M GIVING MY THREE MINUTES TO ROB WILLIAMSON.
I LIVE AT 2, 2 6, 2 WHEATLAND STRIVE, MANNEQUIN.
WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE HOMEMADE ICE CREAM FLAVOR? MINE'S PEACH.
MY GRANDMOTHER HAD A SHELF OF COOKBOOKS AND HANDWRITTEN RECIPES ON THREE BY FIVE CARDS, EVERY ICE CREAM RECIPE THAT SHE HAD INCLUDED A PINCH OF SALT AS A CHILD.
I DID NOT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU COULD ADD SALT TO ICE CREAM AND IT TASTES DELICIOUS, BUT IT DID.
WHAT I DID KNOW IS IF YOU OPENED THE TOP WRONG AND GOT THE ROCK SALT WATER IN IT, IT WAS RUINED THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS NOTHING MORE THAN A GUIDE.
IN REALITY, AS MANY THINGS TO MANY PEOPLE, I SEE THE COMP PLAN.
IT HAS ZONING RECIPES THAT PLACE THE RIGHT INGREDIENTS AND THE RIGHT PROPORTIONS IN THE RIGHT PLACES.
AND I THINK A COMP PLAN DENSITIES AS BEING THAT SALT IN THIS CASE, LOW DENSITY, BEING THAT PATCH.
IF YOU STICK TO THE RECIPE, YOU GET THE DESIRED RESULT EVERY TIME, IGNORE THE RECIPE AND ADD TOO MUCH.
AND YOU'RE ALWAYS DIGGING AROUND AND TRYING TO SOLVE IT.
A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT SONGBIRD BEING IN THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA AS IF THAT WAS JUSTIFICATION ENOUGH TO IGNORE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE RECIPE.
WELL, IT'S NOT THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS.
JUST ONE SECTION OF THE COMP PLAN COOKBOOK.
THE COMP PLAN ACTUALLY PAYS PLACES ARE PUD MEDIUM AND LOW DENSITIES IN THE RIGHT PROPORTIONS.
AND THEN THE RIGHT PLACES STICKING FOR THE RECIPE IS CONSISTENT.
GIVES YOU CONSISTENT OUTCOMES AND MANAGE GROWTH.
IN THIS CASE, LOW DENSITY IS AT PINCH OF SALT.
ALSO SAY HIGH DENSITY IS JUST JUSTIFIED JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE COMP PLAN WANTS ALL THE GROWTH THAT COMPLETELY MISSES THE INTENT OF THE COMP PLAN.
THE COMP PLAN DIRECTS REASONABLE REQUIREMENTS FOR SENSIBLE GROWTH.
EACH PROVISION IS THERE BY DESIGN, AND THEY ALL HAVE TO WORK IN HARMONY WITH EACH OTHER TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF THE COUNTY'S STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
IF I COUNTED RIGHT THERE OVER 1700 DENSITY ACRES, AND THAT DESIGNATE A GROWTH AREA.
AND AS MORE THAN THAT, THIS MEDIUM DENSITY, PROBABLY 2000 ACRES.
IF HIGH DENSITY WAS JUSTIFIED SOLELY BASED ON DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA THAN A DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA WOULD HAVE ZERO MEDIUM AND ZERO LOW ANCHORAGE.
AND IN THE VARIOUS MEETINGS, SOMBER REPRESENTATIVES HAVE COMPARED SONGBIRD TO NEIGHBORING RPU D TUCKAHOE CREEK READER'S BRANCH AND TONIGHT, OR SO MOSAIC, ALL OF THIS BEING RPU D LIKE FOR LIKE, JUST, JUST AS A DUST JUSTIFICATION FOR EXCEEDING THE LOW DENSITY REQUIREMENTS.
WELL, IN REALITY, TUCKAHOE CREEK IS MEDIUM DENSITY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MEDIAN DENSITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN.
READER'S BRANDS, A SUBURBAN DENSITY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SUBURBAN DENSITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN.
MOSAIC IS OVER IN WEST CREEK AND PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS.
I'M NOT EVEN, THAT'S NOT EVEN A FAIR COMPARISON.
SO AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPARISONS WITH THE CLOSEST RPU DS, THAT'S A FLAWED CONCEPT THAT HAS COME HAS COMPATIBLE AND COMPARABLE.
IN MY OPINION, SONGBIRD ICE CREAM IS WAY TOO SALTY IN CONCLUSION, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO RPU D I AM OPPOSED TO DISREGARDING THE COMP PLAN RECIPE ON DENSITY AND THAT DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA, THE COMP PLAN IS NOT, MY PLAN IS NOT THE DEVELOPER'S PLAN IS ALL OF OUR PLAN AND WHAT IT DOES.
SO WE ALL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO ENSURE GOOCHLAND HAS
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MANAGED GROWTH AND CONSISTENT AND SENSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.AS FAR AS THE COMP PLAN IS CONCERNED, STICKING TO THE RECIPE RESULTS AND THOSE CONSISTENT OUTCOMES THAT THE RESIDENTS EXPECT AND DESERVE.
THE THREE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS AND REAL ESTATE IS LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, MOST IMPORTANT THINGS.
THE THREE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN THE COMP PLAN IS DENSITY DENSITY, DENSITY.
SO AS LONG AS SONGBIRD IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE COMP PLAN ON DENSITY, PLEASE DIVERT TO GIVE OUT, TO GIVE ENOUGH TIME TO BE ABLE TO MAKE NECESSARY CHANGES OR VOTE NO, AND PROTECT GOOCHLAND AND THE COMP PLAN.
THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS.
MY NAME IS JANE SCHROEDER AND I LIVE AT 365 HAMLET ROAD MANNEQUIN.
SABOT OUR ROAD HAMOT ROAD IS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE AS A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HAVE MET I'M THE CHAIRPERSON OF THAT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OF THE EIGHT HOUSES THAT LIVE ON HAMLET ROAD.
AND WE AS A GROUP HAVE DISCUSSED THIS DEVELOPMENT QUITE A BIT.
THE SEWER THAT WE'LL BE GOING TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT GOES RIGHT NEXT TO MY PROPERTY UP THE HILL UNDER HAMLET ROAD, CROSS OTHER PROPERTIES AND ONTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE WELL AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, WE DISCUSSED THE PROS AND CONS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN WE VOTED AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT WE, AS A HOMEOWNERS, BOOP GROUP VOTED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE DO FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE HAVE VOTED THAT WE WOULD LIKE THEM AS OUR NEIGHBORS.
COULD YOU GET THE SONGBIRD? COULD YOU THINK BACK SO I COULD SHOW YOU WHERE HE LIVES, THE SONGBIRD MAP DOWN WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN THAT ONE?
UM, HELLO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FAR LOWER LEFT CORNER, THAT HOUSE THAT'S RIGHT BY RIGHT NEXT TO THAT LOWER LEFT CORNER IS MY HOME.
UM, I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF GROWTH GOING ALONG, UP AND DOWN HOCKET FOR THE LAST 13 YEARS AS I'VE LIVED IN, UM, GUCCI FOR THAT LONG.
AND NOBODY HAD EVER APPROACHED ME ABOUT A, UH, DEVELOPMENT OR A NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANYTHING THAT WAS GETTING READY TO HAPPEN.
UM, THE TOWN AND COUNTRY FOLKS CAME TO US BEFORE THEY STARTED DOING ANYTHING AND WERE REALLY UPFRONT ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO.
UH, TALK TO US ABOUT OUR CONCERNS EVERY TIME, ALMOST THAT I, THAT I CAN RECALL THAT WE HAD A CONCERN, THEY ADDRESSED IT AND SAID, OKAY, WE'LL DO THIS.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THE ROAD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC A LOT.
UH, THERE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT DENSITY.
UM, HOCKETT ROAD TO ME HAS NOT GOTTEN ANY MORE TRAVELER OR MAYBE JUST A LITTLE, UM, IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS, EVEN WITH WHAT'S GOING ON ACROSS THE ROAD.
NOW YOU SEE TRUCKS AND YOU SEE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A FEW MORE CARS, BUT THE PEOPLE UP THAT LIVE AT READER'S BRANCH OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THEY GO RIGHT TO BROAD STREET.
I MEAN, LITERALLY, I DON'T THINK MANY OF THEM COME DOWN HOCKETT ROAD NOW, EVENTUALLY THAT ROAD'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE WIDENED.
AND THERE'S SO MUCH GOING OVER ACROSS THE STREET THAT WHEN I LOOKED THROUGH EVERYTHING LOOKED AT THEIR PRESENTATION, I FELT LIKE THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD, A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT IT'LL HELP.
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE BRINGING UTILITIES INTO OUR, UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S REALLY GONNA HELP.
WE'RE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SMALL, BUT WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLAN AND I'D REALLY LIKED THESE, THESE FOLKS TO BE MY NEIGHBORS.
THANK YOU, MR. DEVOR, WHERE'D YOU SAY YOUR HOUSE WAS LOCATED IN THE BOTTOM, WHERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRAIN FOR THAT QUARTER, THAT'S IT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND I JUST, JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE DID SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH NEIGHBORS.
WE FELT THAT THE NEIGHBORS WHO WERE MOST IMMEDIATE TO THE PROJECT WERE THE MOST IMPORTANT, AND I'M SORRY
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THAT WE COULDN'T ADDRESS EVERYONE'S ISSUES, WHO, WHO LIVE IN GOOCHLAND, BUT WE, WE TRIED REALLY HARD TO ADDRESS THE NEIGHBORS IMMEDIATE BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST MR. GAZER, YOU'RE SPEAKING IN A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, RIGHT? YES, SIR.SO THREE MINUTES AND ALL THAT.
AND I GUESS THE, YEAH, YOU DID NOT.
SCOTT GAMES ARE 1505 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
TRY TO GIVE HIM 15 MORE SECONDS OR WE'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE LEEWAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE TRIED TO WORK WITH EVERY NEIGHBOR TO GIVE BUFFERS AND BERMS, AND WE TRIED TO GIVE OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THEY MIGHT EXPECT.
SO WHEN A MINIMUM BUFFER WAS 35 FOOT, WE'D END UP AT 50, WHEN A BERM WAS DECIDED, WE'D SAY IT'S A, IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT BERM WITH A SIX FOOT TREE.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD WITH MR. VINSON, UM, AND HIS NEIGHBOR TO TRY TO GIVE HIM THE, UM, EXISTING, SMALL KIND OF FIELD ROAD THAT HE HAS WHILE STILL IMPROVING THE AREA.
UM, THE COMP PLAN HAS BEEN MENTIONED MANY TIMES HERE, AND I THINK THE COMPANY HAS A VERY IMPORTANT TOOL FOR THE COUNTY FOR PLANNING, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY PLANNING TOOL THAT THE COUNTY HAS.
IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH OF THAT AREA STARTED IN 1988 WITH THE REZONING OF WEST CREEK.
AND THEN IN 2004, WE APPROVED THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT, WHICH ALSO PLACED A FURTHER EMPHASIS ON THAT AREA.
UM, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
WE ALL KNOW LIKE KEN LOT, CARMAX CAPITAL ONE, ALL LOCATED TO THIS AREA AND THE COMP PLAN, NOT ONLY PLANS FOR THAT GROWTH, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY TOOL AVAILABLE IN YOUR TOOLBOX WHERE THAT GROWTH FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, THE COMP PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE AMENDED AND UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND I HEAR A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S TIME MAYBE TO COME BACK WITH A COMP WITH ANOTHER, IT HAPPENS EVERY FIVE YEARS AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE FIFTH YEAR, I GUESS, CAUSE WE WERE BUSY.
SO MAYBE IT'S TIME TO REVISIT IT.
BUT THE OTHER PLANS THAT ARE ALSO AVAILABLE OR THE 20, 20, 20 45 MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THE HOCKETT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THE 2224 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IN BUDGET, WHICH SHOWS THE HOCKETT ROAD WATER LINE, THE 20, 20 45 UTILITY MASTER PLAN, WHICH ALSO SHOWS THE WATER LINE, THE 20, 24 PROPOSED FIRE STATION AT WEST CREEK, WHICH IS ALMOST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY THAT ALSO RECOGNIZES THE GROWTH THAT IS TO OCCUR IN THIS AREA.
THE GREENHOUSE FOR GREENS THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY DAD'S PROPERTY IS ALSO ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED IN THE AREA.
AND NOW THERE'S A ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS FOR A DISTRIBUTION FACILITY THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED IN, IN M M ONE.
UM, ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT ALL THESE PLANS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY AND THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THE COMP PLAN.
THIS AREA HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR YEARS AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE GROWTH IN THIS AREA.
WE HAVE SOMEBODY COMING UP HERE.
SOMEBODY NOT GOING TO LEGEND AROUND HERE.
MICHAEL MCDERMOTT, 1879 SPRUCE LANE, MAIDENS, VIRGINIA.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND YOUR HARD WORK TONIGHT.
NOT ONLY, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ON THE DEFINITELY ANY ESTEEMED COMPANY FOLLOWING SUCH A, UH, WELL, WELL THOUGHT REMARKS.
YOU KNOW, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON THIS PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED BY AN INVESTMENT GROUP IN MIDLOTHIAN.
I'M NOT MISTAKEN ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.
SO NOW THIS INVESTMENT GROUP, A SHELL COMPANY WANTS TO TURN AROUND AND DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.
AND I'M ALSO GOING TO ARGUE THAT THE REAL PEOPLE BEHIND THE DEVELOPMENT IS THE MARKEL CORPORATION, EAGLE HOMES, KORNBLUH A LOT OF OTHER SUBSIDIARIES.
AND, UH, THEY'RE DRIVEN BY THE, BY GREED, BY THE CORPORATE BOTTOM LINE BY RESULTS TO THEIR SHAREHOLDERS.
SO WHAT DO THEY SEE HERE? THEY SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN STEAMROLL THIS THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PLEAD THAT THE COMP PLAN CAN BE CHANGED AND MAXIMIZE THE MOST RETURN THEY CAN GET FROM THEIR
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INVESTMENT.AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE GOOCHLAND WAY.
NOW WE SAW IN THE COUNTY'S PRESENTATION OF WHAT THE TRAFFIC ON HOCKETT ROAD WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AFTER THIS DEVELOPMENT CAME TO FRUITION AND IT GOES FROM WORST TO WORSER, NOT BAD TO WORSE, WORSE TO WORSER.
AND THEN I HEAR THAT, WELL, TRAFFIC'S NOT A PROBLEM DOWN ON THAT END OF THE ROAD.
WELL, IT SURE IS A PROBLEM UP IN THE VILLAGE.
WE JUST HEARD ABOUT THE, UH, UH, THE INJURY RIGHT THERE AT HOCKET ROAD AND HICKORY HAVEN.
I MEAN, WHAT MORE ARE WE WAITING FOR? YOU KNOW, THE COMP PLAN, IF IT NEEDS TO BE REVISITED WELL, THEN LET'S REVISIT IT AND LET'S COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY.
AND IF IT SAYS IT CAN SUPPORT WHAT THE DEVELOPERS WANT TO DO NOW, I'M ALL FOR IT.
I AM FOR GROWTH IN MY BACKYARD, BUT AS MR. LYALL SO ELOQUENTLY, PUT IT ON FOR GRACEFUL GROWTH.
I'M NOT FOR SOMEBODY COMING IN HERE FROM OUT OF THE COUNTY, MAKING AN INVESTMENT, TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE RETURN THEY CAN GET FOR THEIR SHAREHOLDERS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE OTHER CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, THE CENTER FILL THE VILLAGE IS DESIGNATED AS A VILLAGE FOR A VERY GOOD REASON.
WHERE IS THE HOUSING FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS? WHERE'S THE HOUSING FOR OUR SCHOOL TEACHERS.
WHERE'S THE HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE WORKING IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE IN SONGBIRD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AND I'VE I ASKED YOU TO EITHER VOTE NO, OR DEFER.
ONE LAST THING I GOT TO MAKE THIS POINT.
THE APPLICANT CAME UP HERE AND SAID THEY HAD 45 EMAILS IN SUPPORT OF THEIR APPLICATION THAT THEY WERE FORWARDED TO YOU.
AND I'M SORRY, IN THIS VIRTUAL DIGITAL AGE, ANYBODY CAN FORGE OR HACK EMAILS.
I SAY, IF THEY'VE GOT 45 PEOPLE IN SUPPORT, LET THEM COME DOWN HERE LIKE ME AS A CITIZEN IN PERSON AND VOICE THEIR VIEWS AND NOT BE KEYBOARD WARRIORS IN A VIRTUAL WORLD.
I LIVE AT 25 31 MAPLE HALL COURT, MIDLOTHIAN, VIRGINIA.
UM, ALONG WITH MY TWO SISTERS, UH, WE OWN 60 OF THE 65 ACRES.
IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
MY FATHER PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 19 75, 46 YEARS AGO.
HE DIED ABOUT A YEAR LATER AND THE PROPERTY WAS INPUT INTO A TRUST.
UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN PAYING REAL ESTATE TAXES ON THIS PROPERTY FOR 46 YEARS, JUST THREE YEARS AGO, WE DECIDED TO END THE TRUST AND PUT IT INTO AN LLC.
WE'VE WE WERE HERE WHEN, WHEN WEST CREEK, UH, WAS BEFORE 2 88 FOR CAP ONE BEFORE CARMAX, BEFORE ALL THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE'VE WAITED FOR A LONG, LONG TIME AND PAID A LOT OF REAL ESTATE TAXES.
AND, UH, WHEN WE LOOKED AT WHAT WAS GOING ON, UH, ON HOCKETT ROAD IN THE AREA, WE DETERMINED THAT TO NOW.
WHAT'S PROBABLY A GREAT TIME TO SELL THE PROPERTY.
WE'VE HAD IT FOR 46 YEARS WHEN MY FATHER DIED, BUT MY FATHER DIED THE YEAR AFTER HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
I THINK HE PURCHASED IT BECAUSE HE THOUGHT THAT IF IT WAS BESIDE I SCOTT COUNTY SCHOOL SITE, THAT WOULD ONE DAY BE IT A DEVELOPED AREA.
BUT, UM, SO WE'VE DECIDED TO SELL IT.
AND, UM, THEY'VE BEEN, UH, TOWN AND COUNTRY HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY GREAT ABOUT KEEPING US ABREAST OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND EXPLAINING TO US, UH, HOW TO DEAL WITH THINGS AND DEALING WITH MR. VOGEL IN THE BACK.
UH, IT'S BEEN A GREAT EXPERIENCE AND I THINK THEY GOT THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST ALL ONE SECOND.
YEAH, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE READY TO ADDRESS SOME THINGS THAT WERE SAID.
SO WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC HEARING.
SO CITIZENS THAT SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST, OR ANY COMMENTS ON THIS REZONING APPLICATION, COME ON FORWARD.
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LINDA MOORE, 2164 PROFIT ROAD, MANNEQUIN, SABBATH, VIRGINIA.WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH THIS REDEVELOPMENT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, SINCE 2015, OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE FELT LIKE THAT.
YOU ALL HAVE REALLY LISTENED TO OUR VALID CONCERNS.
YOU WORKED WITH US THROUGH A TACK, A WHOLE BRIDGE.
UM, AND WHEN WE'RE NOT ANYTHING LIKE, UH, WE'VE BEEN PORTRAYED AS WE ARE JUST CONCERNED THAT GOOCHLAND IS TURNING INTO HENRICO.
AND, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR RURAL, UM, AREA OF CENTERVILLE IS REALLY NOT ANYTHING BUT A FOOD LION AND VERY LIMITED ON, ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK OF A VILLAGE.
I MEAN, I THINK I THINK OF A VILLAGE.
I THINK ABOUT MY NEW ENGLAND STYLE VILLAGES, WHERE I HAD A LIBRARY AND I COULD WALK IN IT.
YOU CANNOT WALK ON BROAD STREET ROAD.
UM, YOU, YOU CAN'T BIKE THERE.
YOU CAN'T THAT YOU IT'S JUST NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR GET IN YOUR CAR AND GO THERE.
WE HAVE NONE OF THE THINGS THAT BRINGS THE ELEMENT OF, UH, OF THE VILLAGE, BUT YET IT'S A VILLAGE.
SO, YOU KNOW, W W WE W IF WE GO WITH, UM, I SUPPORT MR. LYLE, I SUPPORT ROB WILLIAMSON, UH, SANDY, ALL OF THEM HAVE MAKING VALID POINTS OF WHY WE SHOULD STICK TO THE COMP PLAN AND NOT SKIP OVER TO HIGH DENSITY.
I'M GOING TO MY, MY TIME IS UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, HOW I FEEL YOU'VE GOT MY LETTERS.
UM, AND, BUT MORE THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT IN THE PAST, IF IT WASN'T A HOLIDAY WEEKEND, YOU WOULD HAVE THESE OVERFLOW OF MY NEIGHBORS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE VACATIONS PLANNED FOR ALL YEAR LONG.
THANK YOU, MR. WARREN, ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ON THIS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT.
GOING ONCE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE APPLICANT APPLICANT'S COUNSEL, SHE FISHED, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME WITH ALL THE FOOD ANALOGIES TONIGHT, MAKING ME WISH THAT I'D HAD DINNER BEFORE THIS, UH, MEETING, UM, TO BE CLEAR, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY A GUIDE.
THE STATE CODE REQUIRES IT TO BE A GUIDE.
IT IS A GUY THAT IS CONTINUOUSLY UPDATED.
IT IS A GUIDE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
IT DOES NOT ZONE THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
UM, AS NOTED THIS DEVELOPMENT IN MY PRESENTATION, UM, MEETS THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE IMPLEMENTS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND ALL OF THE CHAPTERS THAT I DISCUSSED, WHICH ARE ALL PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT IS ALL EIGHT CHAPTERS THAT, THAT MAKE UP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, AND IN A MANNER THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH SIMILARLY SITUATED DEVELOPMENTS, AS STAFF NOTED IN THEIR, UM, IN THEIR PRESENTATION AS WELL, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL IS ALSO SUPPORTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE LOCATION ON HOCKET ROAD ADJACENT TO EXISTING AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE RELATED TO WEST CREEK, AS WELL AS BEING AN ATTRACTOR FOR ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES.
AND IN THE PRIME ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AREA.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT, AS YOU HEARD FROM OUR NEIGHBORS IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING AS WELL AS IN THE SUPPORT LETTERS THAT I PROVIDED EARLIER THIS EVENING.
AND THE REVISIONS THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED ARE MINOR, BUT I'M HAPPY AGAIN, TO WALK THROUGH THOSE CHANGES ON THE PLAN.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE, YEAH, SO THE, THE PLAN THAT'S BEFORE YOU IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED, UM, TO STAFF.
THIS IS JUST A BLACK AND WHITE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST TO SEE, UH, OOPS GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION.
AND SO THE CHANGE AGAIN, IS TO, TO OFFER UP A, ANOTHER OPTION FOR THE,
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UM, THE ACCESS EASEMENT THAT HAS AN OPEN DISCUSSED AT LENGTH THAT IS A 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY.THAT IS A NON-EXCLUSIVE ACCESS EASEMENT.
UM, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT MULTIPLE WAYS THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, BUT THE LAST CHANGE, WHICH IS NOT WHAT ON THE PLAN THAT'S BEFORE YOU BID ON THE PLAN ON THE SCREEN IS JUST TO TAKE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND TO CHANGE THIS BUFFER AREA THAT USED TO HAVE A FENCE AND CREATE THAT AS A BERM AND INCLUDE THE 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY TO THE REAR OF THOSE LOTS, SO THAT IT STILL RETAINS THE, THE FEELING THAT IS CURRENTLY, UM, THROUGH THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS NOT A DEEDED RIGHT OF WAY, JUST FOR THAT LANDOWNER AGAIN.
AND THIS WILL ALLOW US TO, TO MAKE IT MORE, UM, PRIVATE BACK HERE WITH A BERM AND DEFENSE, AND THEN LOT A, WHICH YOU, YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR BLACK AND WHITE VERSION, WHICH IS WHERE MY POINTER IS TRYING TO GO THERE.
SO THAT THE DEVELOPER AGAIN HAS PROPOSED TO, OR, UM, PROVIDED IN A VARIETY OF FORMS. WE HAVE TRIED TO PROVIDE MULTIPLE VERSIONS OF PLANS TO THE VINSONS TO SHOW THEM, UM, ON PAPER AND TO PROVIDE A LETTER AGREEMENT THAT WE WILL, UM, PROVIDE THIS.
WE WILL DEVELOP, PROVIDE THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL, UM, WILL PAY FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION.
WE WILL PAY TO RELOCATE THE, THE ROAD.
AND AGAIN, THAT GIVES YOU THE DIRECT ACCESS.
THE QUESTION ABOUT THE NOTE WITH RESPECT TO VACATION, UM, THIS AREA HERE IS THE ENCROACHMENT.
SO AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE ALSO OFFERED THAT THEY CAN MAINTAIN THAT ENCROACHMENT, WHICH IS SOMETHING CONSTRUCTED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LAND WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION.
WE'VE SAID THAT THEY CAN KEEP THAT THERE.
UM, THE VACATION WOULD BE OF THE EXISTING EASEMENT HERE, RELOCATED, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE NOTE TO THE, THE TOP AREA.
AND SO THAT'S THE NEW PIECE FROM WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS BEING CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT CHANGES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT, IT IS REALLY THE, THE MINOR CHANGE WITH RESPECT TO WHERE WE COULD INSERT A 20 FOOT, UM, DRIVEWAY THAT THEN COULD CONNECT MORE DIRECTLY TO THIS PROPERTY HERE.
UM, AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST APPROVAL.
I'M HAPPY TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE PROFFERS, THE PLAN, UM, AT YOUR PLEASURE.
SO YOU, I WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT SO THAT WHERE YOU WERE DRAWING, YOU WOULD, THE ROAD WOULD COME ALONG THAT BUFFER THEN INSTEAD OF LOT A, THAT WOULD BE A ROAD DROPPING DOWN.
AND THEN, AND THEN HE GETS, HE GETS TO HIS PROPERTY ALL THE WAY DOWN AND THEN TAKING A RIGHT THAT'S CORRECT.
AND SO THIS ENCOURAGEMENT WOULD, WOULD REMAIN UNTIL, UM, IT WAS DECIDED IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE 50 FEET COMING IN AND IT COULD BE FURTHER DOWN HERE, BUT THIS COULD REMAIN UNTIL THAT IS, UM, THAT ROAD IS DEVELOPED.
SO AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE AS MANY OPTIONS AS POSSIBLE.
SO RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, YOU HAVE A ROAD THAT COMES IN HERE AND GOES THERE.
UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY MAKING IT BETTER BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT UP HERE AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UH, AS OPPOSED TO BEING LANDLOCKED.
SO YOU COULD HAVE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT YOU ALSO MAINTAIN THAT PRIVATE DRIVEWAY EASEMENT, UM, THIS PIECE GETS CONSTRUCTED AND YOU JUST GO RIGHT INTO THAT, EXISTS.
THAT AGAIN IS THE DRIVER AND THAT'S THE ENCOURAGEMENT.
THAT LITTLE ENCROACHMENT IS JUST ABOVE THAT, CORRECT? YES.
SO JUST PROVIDING MULTIPLE OPTIONS, UM, FOR ENTRANCES.
SO THE WAY THIS PROCESS WORKS, THERE'S A LITTLE ODD, CAUSE I CAN'T CALL MR. TABNER BACK UP HERE TO HELP, HELP ME UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT IS THE BACK AND FORTH REMAINING THAT, CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE ME A SUMMARY? SURE.
I'D BE HAPPY TO, AND HE CAN WAVE HIS HANDS IF I'M NOT APPROPRIATELY REPRESENTING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
UM, MR. GAZER AND MR. VINCENT HAVE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS.
I THINK OVER THE COURSE OF SIX MONTHS, WE HAVE PROVIDED A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PLANS.
UM, THEY HAVE MET A FEW TIMES.
WE HAVE, UM, PROVIDED PLANS AND A LETTER AGREEMENT.
UM, I THINK WHAT IS LEFT TO BE DISCUSSED IS THEY JUST WANT TO LOOK AT THIS REVISION TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WORKS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PROFFERED EVERYTHING ON OUR PROPERTY SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL AGREEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO COME TO, UM, POTENTIALLY THAT, THAT IS THE LAST PIECE REMAINING, BUT WE HAVE PROFFERED THAT WE WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS WOULD BE THE, ONE OF THE OPTIONS.
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TO DO THAT HAVE STATED FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, UM, THAT WE WOULD, THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED THE DEVELOPER.UM, AND SO THE RELOCATION WOULD BE PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER.
UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CONNECTION PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER.
SO I THINK ALL OF THE PIECES, UM, IF I WERE HE, THAT I WOULD WANT IN THIS PROPOSAL OR INCLUDED IN THE PLAN, BUT I THINK THAT WHAT I HEARD MR TABNER SAY IS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IT FURTHER.
SO, SO THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER IS GONNA TURN INTO A ROADWAY.
UM, SO WE WOULD HAVE, WE HAD A FENCE AND 50 FEET AND WE WOULD TAKE THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE HAS, UM, INDICATED THAT HE WOULD PREFER A BERM AS OPPOSED TO A FENCE.
AND SO WE'VE GOT, UM, A, WITHIN A 35 FOOT AREA AND EIGHT FOOT BERM THAT HAS LANDSCAPING, THAT IS A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET TALL ON THE TOP.
RIGHT? SO THAT BERM IS ON THE NORTHERN END.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS.
IT WOULD EITHER BE ON THE NORTHERN OR THE SOUTHERN.
I THINK THAT, UM, FROM A MINOR STANDPOINT IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A FENCE LINE ALONG THE BACK OF THE LOTS THERE SO THAT YOU WOULD REALLY BE SCREENED FROM BOTH SIDES.
SO THE FENCE IS THIS, CAUSE I WAS WONDERING HOW YOUR SCREENING GOES LOTS, BUT THE FENCE IS THE IDEA OF, TO SCREEN THE LOTS FROM, AND THEN THE BERM.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE FLIP OF THIS WOULD BE THE, ON THE, I DON'T SEE THE NOR THE TOP NORTHERN, I THINK UP HERE.
AND THEN, SO IT WOULD BE ADJACENT PROPERTY, 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY, WHICH ALREADY RUNS ALONG THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND THEN THE BERM AND THEN THE FENCE.
THIS IS THE BENSON POCKET, CORRECT? YES.
MA'AM THIS IS THE VINCENT PROPERTY.
LET ME SHOW, I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A SLIDE TO SHOW YOU.
UM, THIS IS THEIR ACCESS WAY RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO CONTINUE.
SO THEY WOULD COME IN, THIS BECOMES IMPROVED.
WE WOULD EXTEND THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH ALREADY IS THAT THE 20 FEET THAT DRIVEWAY ALREADY EXISTS, CONTINUES DOWN THAT THEIR EASEMENT IS A DRIVEWAY.
SO WE HAVE A PUBLIC ROAD THAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
SO WE'RE TAKING THE 20 FEET AT THE FRONT HERE ALONG THE HOCKET ROAD.
AND THAT GETS IMPROVED TO A 50 FOOT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
WE WOULD HAVE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS ALREADY EXISTS, CONNECT INTO THAT.
SO THIS WOULD REMAIN AND THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY.
YOU CAN SEE IT, THE PLAN AND OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE THEN TO TURN IT HERE, COME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THIS WAY AND GO THERE.
BUT YOU REALLY WOULDN'T TURN IT THERE.
YOU'D TURN IT NORTH OF THAT BERM.
CAUSE YOU SAID IT'S, IT'S A BERM THEN THE, YEAH.
SO THE DRIVEWAY WOULD COME IN.
IT WOULD TURN, YOU CAN ALONG MAYBE THE PREP, MY RED POINTER IS HAVING A HARD TIME HERE.
SO ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, IT STILL COMES IN RIGHT HERE IN BETWEEN THIS 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY, YOU WOULD HAVE A BERM AND THEN OFFENSE BEHIND THE LOTS.
SO I DRIVE, HE, THEY WOULD BE DRIVING.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS UP TO THEM TO DECIDE TO DO THIS, BUT THEY'D BE DRIVING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAN OUT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN JUST GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, YOU WOULD COME IN, THEY COULD COME IN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE WOULD BE, THESE WOULD BE A PUBLIC ROADS, RIGHT? SO NOTHING IS STOPPING THEIR COMPANY FROM DRIVING ON PUBLIC ROADS AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT WHAT WE HEARD THEM SAY WAS THAT THEY WANTED TO MAINTAIN THAT, UM, THE PRIVACY THAT THEY HAD, THE FEELING OF THAT 20 FOOT ROAD.
AND SO IT WOULD BE, WOULD COME IN THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND THEN YOU WOULD GO OUT THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH EXISTS, STAY ON THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH EXISTS.
AND INSTEAD OF THEIR EXISTING PATH, WHICH IS HERE, THEY WOULD TURN AND THEN COME IN THIS WAY AND YOU'RE PROFFERING TO IMPROVE ALL OF THAT.
UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD IMPROVE ALL OF THAT, THAT, THAT I JUST DESCRIBED.
THE, THE ALTERNATIVES HAD BEEN TO HAVE THEM AND WE DESIGNED THE ROAD NETWORK TO ACCOMMODATE.
I MEAN, HE'S GOT A LANDSCAPING BUSINESS.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE, UM, UH, PICKUP TRUCKS AND MOWING EQUIPMENT.
UM, SO IT'S, UH, IT'S A HOME-BASED BUSINESS THAT THE ROAD
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NETWORK CAN BE, CAN ACCOMMODATE IN ADDITION.AND SO WE, WE ADDED MORE SCREENING.
AS I NOTED PREVIOUSLY, WE ADDED BERMS TO MAINTAIN PRIVACY.
AND WE'VE ADDED THIS ALTERNATIVE OF HAVING A DRIVEWAY COME ALONG THE BACK SO THAT YOU COULD COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT GOING THROUGH MORE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS RAISED.
TWO ENTRANCES TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
YES MA'AM THERE IS BOTH OF THESE ARE PUBLIC, SO CORRECT.
OWNERS WILL BE COMING IN THE SAME ENTRANCE THAT HE'S COMING IN.
YES MA'AM AND THEIR PUBLIC ROADS WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE TWO ACCESS POINTS.
AND SO THE, A LANDLOCKED PARCEL THAT HAS AN ACCESS EASEMENT WOULD GO FROM HAVING A 20 FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT TO HAVING ACCESS ON TO 50 FOOT PUBLIC ROADS, PLUS THE OPTION TO COME IN ALONG THE DRIVEWAY.
AND WE WOULD ADD A STRETCH OF DRIVEWAY ALONG HERE, SO THAT THEN YOU COULD CONNECT DOWN.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE A SHORTER DISTANCE TO GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT, UM, THE VINCENT'S RAISED TALKED TO TO THE NORTH, I GUESS, IS THAT THREE, THE ADAMSON'S YES.
MA'AM, THERE'S A LETTER OF SUPPORT IN THE PACKET.
UM, I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY TALKED TO HIM.
UM, HE CAME TO THE PUBLIC MEETING.
UM, WE HAVE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HIM MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT, UM, MY CLIENT, I BELIEVE GOT AN EMAIL ABOUT THE RE THE, HOW WANTING A BERM INSTEAD OF A FENCE.
AND SO WE HAVE PROVIDED A BERM INSTEAD OF A FENCE, BUT HIS ACCESS REMAINS.
SO HE HAS THE SAME ACCESS HERE BECAUSE IT CONTINUES ALONG HIS PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT, THAT ACCESS IS THE WAY, TURN YOUR MIC ON.
SO IT SAYS A WHERE'S THAT PROPERTY GETS IN THROUGH THE SAME ACCESS THAT THE VENDOR YES MA'AM AS THEY DO CURRENTLY.
AND SO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME HAS IN, IN PRE INCREASED THE BUFFERS ADJACENT TO HIS PROPERTY ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A FENCE, UM, WE'VE ADDED THAT, THAT EIGHT FOOT BERM WITH LANDSCAPING ON THE TOP.
YES, MS. MOLLINEDO IS A BIT OF A LAST MINUTE CHANGE.
SO I DON'T THINK STAFF HAS A TIME TO REVIEW IT COMPLETELY.
UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN DO THAT IN THE PERIMETER BUFFER THE WAY THE LANGUAGE IS IN THE RPD WITH THE FLIP OF THE DRIVEWAY, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE PERIMETER BUFFER AND THEN, AND THE ROUGHER CAN ONLY HAVE THE ROADS GO PERPENDICULAR TO IT.
AND, WELL, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC ROAD THOUGH.
SO I THINK FROM THE PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENT WITH THE RELOCATION, THAT IS THE, THAT WAS THE THOUGHT THERE.
UM, AS OPPOSED TO, THAT WOULD NOT BE WITHIN THE PERIMETER BUFFER IF IT WERE SOUTH OF IT.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT WAS THE QUESTION OF, WE WOULD NEED TO WORK THROUGH THAT PIECE IF WE COULD DO IT, UM, ON THE, IF WE COULD DO IT BEFORE THE PERIMETER BUFFER, IT WOULD STILL BE, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE 35 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER.
AND BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE PUBLIC ROAD, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT ON THAT COMPONENT.
BUT YOU JUST TOLD ME THAT IT WAS A PUBLIC ROAD.
UM, SO THE PUBLIC ROADS ARE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THAT ARE, THOSE ARE ALL OF OUR, ALL OF THE MAJOR ROADS THAT YOU SEE.
SO ALL THE ROADS WITH STREET TREES ARE THE 50 FOOT PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.
THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY COMES IN OFF OF HOCKET ON WHAT IS CALLED SONGBIRD LANE.
AND IT IS A 20 FOOT ACCESS WAY THAT RUNS HERE.
AND IT GOES STRAIGHT DOWN TO THIS.
WHAT, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS TO TAKE THAT EXISTING 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY AND RUN IT DOWN HERE.
AND EITHER DEPENDING ON STAFF'S, UM, INTERPRETATION TO HAVE IT, UH, JASON TO THE WHERE PROPERTY AND THEN THE PERIMETER BUFFER, OR TO HAVE IT, THE PERIMETER BUFFER, AND THEN THE ROAD, WHICH YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A FENCE ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF THOSE LOTS, BUT TO PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL OPTION, WHICH WOULD JUST BE THE RELOCATION OF THE CENTER SECTION OF THAT EASEMENT.
SO THE PUBLIC ROADS ARE 50 FEET.
THOSE ARE THE MAIN ROADS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS WOULD BE A RELOCATION OF AN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY THAT WOULD GO FROM THIS SECTION BEING HERE TO THIS SECTION, GOING HERE AND CONNECTING DOWN HERE.
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DID THAT CLARIFY THE ROADS? SO DOES IT BECOME A PRO? I THINK I'LL TRY THAT.DOES IT BECOME A PRIVATE ROAD? DOES IT BECOME A PRIVATE ROAD RIGHT HERE? IF YOU CONTINUE ON, IS THERE GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT CURRENTLY IS, EXCUSE ME, AN OPTION IS TO DO THE ROAD HERE TO DO THIS.
SO IT'S A PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COUNTY ACTUALLY, UM, RECOGNIZES A PRIVATE ROAD.
I THINK IT'S A PRIVATE ACCESS, IF I'M CORRECT, I NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CODE SECTION, BUT ON OTHER PRIVATE ACCESS WAYS, THEY ARE REFERENCED AS DRIVE AISLES OR ACCESS WAYS AS OPPOSED TO A PRIVATE, A PRIVATE ROAD.
SO WE HAVE PUBLIC ROADS THAT COME INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE ARE OUR TWO ENTRANCES THAT RUN THROUGH.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE ACCESS EASEMENT, WHICH IS A PRIVATE NON-EXCLUSIVE ACCESS EASEMENT THAT GETS RELOCATED.
THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS SORT OF W W W WE'VE NOT HAD A LOT, UM, THE COME BEFORE THE BOARD, THE LAST TWO YEARS AROUND ACCESS EASEMENTS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU OR FOR OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, UM, REGARDING WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE RIGHTS OF THE, OF THIS BUSINESS OWNER? SO HE HAS AN EASEMENT TO GET TO HIS PROPERTY.
WHAT ARE THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR THAT? THE, I'M NOT SURE ENTIRELY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME, WHAT ACCESS RIGHTS HE HAVE WILL BE DETERMINED UPON THE EASEMENT DOCUMENT THAT HE'S PROVIDED.
IT'S STILL A PRIVATE EASEMENT.
UM, SO DO WE KNOW WHAT THE EASEMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THIS PROPERTY? YES.
IT WAS JUST A, UM, A RESERVATION OF A 20 FOOT ACCESS NON-EXCLUSIVE EASEMENT, UM, EXCLUSIVE, UH, THAT MEANS IT IS NOT, UM, ONLY FOR ONE PROPERTY OWNER TO USE.
IT IS OPEN FOR MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS TO USE.
UM, AND THAT WAS SHOWN ALONG AN EXISTING DRIVE WAY ON, UH, 1973, I BELIEVE.
AND SO IF IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE WHO MAINTAINS, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MATERIAL WILL BE, BUT WHO MAINTAINS THAT? SO THE DRIVE I BELIEVE, WAS GRAVEL AND THE VINCENT HAVE, UM, IMPROVED IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, AND SO THERE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE COMPONENTS THAT GO WITH EASEMENT RIGHTS.
UM, ONE PIECE IS THAT YOU CANNOT OVERBURDEN AN EASEMENT.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN ACCESS WAY, UM, THE COUNTY CODE REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO HAVE, UM, MORE OF A BUSINESS OPERATION THAN A HOME BUSINESS.
SO THERE'S, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO HAVE HAD THE EXPECTATION UNDER YOUR OLD EASEMENT DOCUMENT THAT YOU COULD HAVE HAD A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OPERATION WITHOUT OVERBURDENING THE EASEMENT.
UM, THE SECOND PIECE IS THAT THE STATE CODE DICTATES THROUGH THE SEPARATE PROCESS, WHAT THE RELOCATION PROCESS WOULD BE THROUGH THE PETITION OF THE CIRCUIT COURT.
SO OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY, THE EASEMENT DOCUMENT ITSELF GOVERNS THE RIGHT OF ACCESS.
IF WE CANNOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT AMONGST OURSELVES TO DRAW A NEW LINE ON A MAP, THEN THE CIRCUIT COURT PROCESS ALLOWS US TO DRAW A NEW LINE ON THE MAP AND HAVE THE CIRCUIT COURT SAY YES, THAT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.
THAT, WASN'T THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK.
I WAS GOING TO ASK IF THIS IS APPROVED, WHO, WHOSE RESPONSE, IF IT'S A NON-EXCLUSIVE EASEMENT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT? UM, THE EASEMENT DOCUMENT ACTUALLY DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE, BUT I THINK THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAINTAIN THE 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY AS RELOCATED, EVEN AFTER THEY BUILT THE DEVELOPMENT OUT 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND YEAH, IF IT'S ON THE PROPERTY, I THINK THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TOO, BECAUSE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE FENCE IN BETWEEN THE TWO TO BE MAINTAINED.
CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO GET IN EARLY AND JUST WANTING TO HER.
AND THIS IS NOT EVEN OUT THAT WAY.
I THINK, UM, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, SO I'LL TRY AND BE DIRECT HERE.
SO I DON'T OVEREXTEND MY ANSWER.
THE ANSWER YOU GAVE TO THE QUESTION THAT WASN'T ASKED, UM, TRIGGERED, UM, AND THERE'S
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SOME COUNTY LEGAL, THERE'S SOME RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN ACCESS EASEMENT.IF WE APPROVE THIS, THAT DOESN'T VACATE THAT ACCESS EASEMENT.
BUT YOUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO GO TO THE COURT AND PETITION TO HAVE THAT VACATED AND MOVED.
IF WE COULDN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND AS I SHOWED ON THE SLIDE, THERE'S THE POTENTIAL.
SO WE WOULD EITHER, HOPEFULLY THIS HAS ANSWERED THE CONCERNS OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, AND WE CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL PRIVATE DISCUSSIONS OUTSIDE OF THIS, OR WE'LL GO TO THE CIRCUIT COURT.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE FLIRTING WITH A ONE-SIDED DECISION THERE A LITTLE BIT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WENT AND THEN, SO LET ME JUST LEAVE THAT ONE ASIDE FOR A SECOND, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT ONE'S, UH, UM, THE OTHER SECOND, THE SECOND ONE, THOUGH, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD FLIP BACK ONE CHART TO THE ONE THAT, YEAH.
NUMBER SIX SHOWS THAT GREEN, GREEN HASHED LINE I'LL HAVE EVERYBODY NUMBER SIX SHOWS THAT GREEN HASHED LINE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S MEANT TO REPRESENT THE RELOCATED 20 FOOT NON-EXCLUSIVE PRIVATE ACCESS.
UH, BUT AS CLEARLY RUNNING ACROSS THE BACK YARDS OF THOSE, IF OUR ORDINANCE IS TRYING TO PROVIDE A 35 FOOT BUFFER BEHIND YARDS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT HAD COME UP, IS THIS IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR, SO WHICHEVER SIDE YOU PUT IT ON, IT MAY RAISE SOME ISSUES.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'LL PUT ON EITHER SIDE IF IT WORKS, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT WORKS OR NOT.
UM, BUT I, I GUESS I REALLY WASN'T REALLY LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER OTHER THAN IS THAT DASH HASH LINE MEANT TO REPRESENT THE 20 FOOT RELOCATED NON-EXCLUSIVE YES, THAT DASH LINE IS MEANT TO REPRESENT THAT, UM, THE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING BETWEEN IT AND THE LOTS WOULD INCLUDE A PRIVACY FENCE.
UM, IT WOULD POTENTIALLY INCLUDE THE BERM IF WE ARE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THE FACT THAT THERE'S A ACCESS EASEMENT, WHICH MAY GET RELOCATED TO HAVE THE DASH LINE RUN ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE INSTEAD, AND THEN HAVE THE 35 FEET, THEN THAT DASH LINE COULD MOVE UP JUST THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST, I WOULD NEED TO CONFIRM THAT WE'RE ON FIRM GROUND HERE FROM THE COUNTY, BECAUSE I'VE NOT SEEN THAT KIND OF A SET UP BEFORE.
AND, AND NOW I, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY, UH, RELOCATIONS OF EASEMENTS, UM, DON'T THINK COME TO YOU ALL THAT OFTEN.
UM, THERE IS IT, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT'S ONE SIDED BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH IT THAT HAS PROVISIONS THROUGH STATE CODE.
IF YOU CANNOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT, THERE'S A REASON THAT THE STATE CODE PROVIDES FOR THAT.
AND SO THE STATE CODE HAS CRITERIA THAT YOU PETITION THE COURT AND THE COURT COULD SAY, I THINK IT SHOULD GO IN THIS OTHER LOCATION.
UM, BUT THE PROPOSALS THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH, WE THINK ARE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T RECEIVED A MARKUP BACK OF, OF PREVIOUS PLANS.
SO THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD WERE PRIVACY OF THE BUSINESS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE ADDITIONAL BUFFER AND BERMING CAME IN, UM, PRIVACY OF THE, THE 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY.
UM, AND THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS OF, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU POTENTIALLY ACQUIRE ANOTHER PIECE FROM THE NORTH TO HAVE THIS? AND THAT'S WHERE THIS DASH LINE CAME FROM OF IF, IF THAT WAS DESIROUS, THEN WE COULD TAKE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, ADD THE DASHED LINE TO HAVE A SIMILAR EFFECT, UM, ON THE PROPERTY.
AND WE COULD INCLUDE IT IN OUR CONCEPT PLAN.
SO IT WOULD BE PROFFERED SO THAT THERE WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO TIE INTO ALL OF OUR OTHER PROPER PROFFERS.
AND THEN I THINK I HEARD CONFIRM IF I'M WRONG THAT THIS LATEST PROPOSAL YOU HAVEN'T, THAT THE OWNER OF THE EASEMENT HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW OR REACT TO THIS IS THIS, UM, WE, WE DISCUSSED IT BRIEFLY BEFORE THE MEETING.
UM, THIS WAS BASED ON A CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH THEIR COUNSEL JUST AS WE WERE TRYING TO, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MORE CONCERNS.
AND SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT HAD BEEN OFFERED WERE NOT REALLY REASONABLE OR FEASIBLE.
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UP IN A DISCUSSION THIS MORNING.AND SO WE QUICKLY TRIED TO THINK ABOUT A DIFFERENT WAY TO ADDRESS IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT I HAD.
I'D NOT HEARD PREVIOUSLY, OR MAYBE NOT APPROPRIATELY HEARD PREVIOUSLY SO THAT WE COULD ADDRESS IT.
SO THE, YES, THAT WE DO NOT SHORT ANSWERS.
WE HAVE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT.
UM, BUT THIS IS OUR, THIS IS OUR, YOU DON'T HAVE HIS REACTION AND YOU REALLY HAVEN'T HAD THE, COUNTY'S A CHANCE TO REACT TO IT AND VET IT WITH OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES TO MAKE SURE CORRECT.
IF WE COULD MOVE ON A LITTLE BIT, I HATE TO, UM, I'LL TRY AND KEEP IT SHORT, JUST TO CONFIRM AGAIN, ALONG HOCKET THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER, THE ENTIRE LENGTH, IT'S JUST PART OF IT.
AND THEN PART OF IT'S NOT, YES.
AND THIS ONE MAY JUST BE THE EASIEST FOR YOU TO SEE.
SO YOU'VE GOT A HUNDRED FEET ALONG HOCKET EXCEPT FOR ALONG THE STORMWATER PONDS.
SO THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE WAS THAT 35 FOOT SECTION, THIS GETS UP TO ABOUT 75 FEET.
SO, UM, THIS ALSO IS WITHIN THE BUFFER AREA AND WOULD, WOULD HAVE, UM, SUPPLEMENTAL PLANTINGS AROUND IT.
PLUS YOU HAVE THE SUPPLEMENTAL PLANNINGS HERE THAT SECOND SET OF SUPPLEMENTAL PLANNINGS ON THE, I GUESS, WEST SIDE OF THAT BNP, WOULD THOSE BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA? THAT'S WHY THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE LOT AREA SO THAT IF THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO JUST VIEW THE WATER AND WANT TO CLEARCUT NO, THAT, THAT WAS, WE THOUGHT ONE OF THE BENEFITS, UM, WAS BECAUSE THE PROFFERS REQUIRE THE BUFFER WAS TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE LOT SO THAT SOMEONE DIDN'T ACCIDENTALLY TAKE SOMETHING DOWN THAT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO YES, BECAUSE OF THE BUFFER LONG HOCKET IS A KIND OF A HOT BUTTON ISSUE.
WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS IT IN A NUMBER OF WAYS, UM, THROUGH REVISIONS TO THE PROPERTY, TRY TO BE GENTLE HERE.
UM, I'M RUNNING OUT OF QUESTIONS.
UM, LET ME JUST PAUSE AND I'LL CALL IT CHRIS FOR NOW.
THANK YOU FOR THAT FOR INDULGING ME, SONGBIRD LANE IS A PRIVATE ROAD.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS A PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD.
YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT A PUBLIC ROAD FOR THIS PORTION OR THAT PORTION UP TO WHERE THEY, THE ACCESS POINT WOULD POTENTIALLY SPLIT OFF.
IF THE DEVELOPER DECIDES TO TAKE HIS MONEY AND GO TO TAHITI AND RETIRE AND THE EASEMENT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON, WHO'S GOING TO FIX THE EASEMENT.
UM, WE CAN ADD AN ADDITIONAL PROFFER THAT WE WOULD RELOCATE THE EASEMENT IN THAT LOCATION.
NO, I'M SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU BREAK THAT OFF, IF THEY DECIDE TO GO WITH IT AND IT BREAKS OFF AND IT COMES UP LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE DEVELOPERS WOULD MAKE, OH, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE.
UM, WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD THAT TO THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE ASSOCIATION WILL BE RESPONSIBLE.
WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE MAINTENANCE PROVISION OF THAT WITH HAVING SOME SORT OF RESERVE FUNDS SET UP TO, TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE 20 FOOT EASEMENT WOULD HAVE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE OVER TIME, BUT I MIGHT NEED TO DEFER TO SOMEONE ELSE ON THE MAINTENANCE OF A 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ASPHALT OR CORRECT.
I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUICK ONE.
UM, AND THIS MAY BE AN EASY ONE.
UM, THERE'S A NUMBER STUB OUT 50 FOOT FUTURE WRITEAWAYS THAT SEEMED TO TRAVERSE THIS PROPERTY TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE COUNTY DESIRES FOR IN INTERCONNECTIVITY.
LET'S SAY AN ADJACENT PROPERTY DOES WANT TO DEVELOP.
IT LOOKS LIKE THESE STUBS NEED TO CROSS PART OF YOUR PROPERTY.
AND I SAY YOUR PROPERTY HERE AND HERE.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WANT TO DEVELOP AND THEY NEED THE INTERCONNECTIVITY, DO THEY HAVE THE SAY ON BUILDING THAT STUFF OUT? DO YOU HAVE THIS DAY IS AN EASEMENT OR RIGHT AWAY, IS IT IT'S SHOWN ON OUR CONCEPT PLAN? SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CONNECT.
WE CAN, WE CAN SPECIFICALLY PROVIDE THAT, UM, IF THAT 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, EASEMENT UPFRONT SO THAT THEY CAN CONNECT IT'S SHOWN ON OUR CONCEPT PLAN.
SO I THINK THAT THE COUNTY WOULD, UM, ALREADY INCLUDE THAT, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE A SPECIFIC PROFFER, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WASN'T A WAIT A MINUTE.
CAUSE THE DESIGN HAS TO BE CORRECT.
NO, JUST THAT IT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF
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IN THE BOY GETS DEDICATED WHEN THE PLAQUE GETS APPROVED.SO IT IS GO, GOES TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON PUMP PLANET, POODLE.
I HAVE ONE OF THE THINGS CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, UM, MS. MULLEN, THE PROFFERS THAT YOU PROVIDED TONIGHT WERE IN RESPONSE TO SOME STAFF COMMENTS.
AND I JUST BELIEVE THAT AT THE END OF PROFFER, ONE, THERE'S ONE MORE REFERENCE TO THE APPROVAL OF THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK YOU'D REMOVE THE EARLIER ONE AT OUR REQUEST.
AND YOU MAY JUST HAVE OVERLOOKED THAT ONE.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THAT BE REMOVED.
MS. MILES, ONE ANOTHER QUESTION.
THE, THIS SO-CALLED PRIVATE ROAD EASTLAND, WHATEVER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHO BUILDS THAT? THE DEVELOPER OKAY.
THEIR EXPENSE SOULLESS THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THIS SAYS.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S NOT WELL.
SO, UM, WE HAD PREVIOUSLY OFFERED THAT WE WOULD PAY THE MONEY TO, UM, TO EXTEND.
SO EITHER WE WOULD PAY THE FUNDS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO DO THAT, OR WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UM, CONSTRUCTIVE.
SO THIS IS PART OF, WHAT'S STILL UNSETTLED ABOUT THAT.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IS STILL UNSETTLED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
APPLICANT APPLICANT'S COUNSEL.
THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH THIS FEELING THE QUESTION.
UM, TIME TO DISCUSS IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS MR. SHARP, MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE APPROVE AN APPLICATION WHEN THE QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE EASEMENT HAVE NOT BEEN DETERMINED? WHO IS THAT QUESTION DIRECTED TO YOU? THEN SAME WAS ON MY LEFT.
UM, I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T APPROVE, WE COULDN'T APPROVE LAST MEETING AN APPLICATION BECAUSE THE TCSD HAD NOT TAKEN ACTION TO BRING IT IN.
SO I DON'T SAY HOW WE CAN APPROVE AN APPLICATION IF THE ACCESS HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED.
I JUST, THE ACCESS FOR THAT FOR THE PERSON THAT'S OUT SESSION, THAT'S OUTSIDE, DOWN IN HERE, I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT.
THIS IS MORE PERHAPS A LAWYER QUESTION, BUT THE GENTLEMAN HAS AN EASEMENT NOW.
AND SO, I MEAN, THAT'S BETWEEN THEM, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND EASEMENT OWNER.
HE HAS AN EASEMENT, WHATEVER THAT RIGHT IS.
SO I THINK RIGHT THERE, OUR DECISION IS JUST W WHEREVER IT HAPPENS UP, BUT I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THESE ROADS AS DESIGNED.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE, I GUESS, A QUESTION OF HOW THEY RESOLVE THE RELOCATION OF THE EASEMENT.
THEY EITHER REACHED AN AGREEMENT OR WE DON'T NAVIGATE TO THE CIRCUIT COURT, BUT IT'S GOOD.
I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING, WHAT IS OUR CONCERN AS A BOARD? IF THERE'S NO, IF, IF, IF YOU HAVEN'T SOLVED HOW THE PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO GET INTO THE BACK OF HIS PROPERTY, HOW CAN WE APPROVE AN APPLICATION WHEN THAT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED? THERE IS ONE OTHER ELEMENT AS MS. HUNTER MENTIONED, WHICH IS THAT THE STAFF RESP IN ABILITY AS OF YET TO RESPOND TO W TO THE IDEA THAT, UH, OF A DRIVEWAY, PRIVATE ACCESS BEING ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THAT
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BERM, AND THEREFORE IN THE PERIMETER BUFFER, MS. HUNTER WAS SAYING THAT THAT APPEARS TO BE NON-COMPLIANCE WITH OUR ORDINANCE.SO THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD AGREE TO.
YOU WOULD ACTUALLY VIOLATE OUR AND PROFITS NOT ALLOWED TO VIOLATE OUR OR ORDINANCES.
SO THAT WOULD NOT BE INAPPROPRIATE.
AND IT'S FROM A STAFF CONCERN.
SO, DOES IT MATTER WHETHER IT'S A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ROAD? 'CAUSE I, I PICKED THAT UP EARLIER THAT IT PUBLIC ROAD GOING ALONG THERE ALONG THAT BORDER WAS PROBLEMATIC, BUT, AND I'M NOT, I THINK SHE'S, I THINK THERE'S EVEN A DISTINCTION.
I'LL CERTAINLY DEFER TO MS. HUNTER IS A PUBLIC ROAD IS A PRIVATE ROAD, AND THEN THERE'S A PRIVATE ACCESS, WHICH IS MORE AKIN TO A DRIVEWAY AS OPPOSED TO A PRIVATE ROAD.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING ON THE FLY WE CAN DECIDE ABOUT A PERIMETER BUFFER.
SO, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE PROFFER AS PRESENTED COMPLIES WITH OUR ORDINANCE.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHERE WE ARE ON, ON THAT PIECE? YES.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I MEAN, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD, WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS ACCESS ROAD, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
WE'RE IMPORTANT, BUT WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IGNORING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
AND THAT'S THE DENSITY, WHICH IS THE FAR BIGGER ISSUE FOR ME AT ANY RATE.
SO WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT YET.
UM, I MEAN, THEY'RE BOTH IMPORTANT TO ME, BUT DENSITY'S A BIG DEAL AND WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT WHEN THAT WAS THE TIME TO START.
I MEAN, NOW I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS DEVELOPED GOING FORWARD, BUT, UH, NOT AS IT'S PRESENTED, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT MORE, UH, CLOSER TO A MEDIUM DENSITY.
OKAY, MR. SHARP, ARE YOU DONE? I I'M, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE CONFERENCE PLAN AND IT TALKS ABOUT DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS AND TALKS ABOUT, UH, TWO DOZEN DESIGNATE GROWTH AREAS, UH, THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AND CENTERVILLE, AND THEN IT GOES AND TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE ADVANTAGE OF DELANEY IN A YEAR IS A COST-EFFECTIVENESS UTILIZING, UTILIZING EXISTING AND PLANNED INFRASTRUCTURE, ET CETERA.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS REVIEWED IN 2015.
THIS WAS STILL LEFT AS MEDIUM DENSITY, LOW, LOW, MEDIUM DENSITY.
AND YET THERE WAS WATER AND SEWER ACROSS THE STREET.
SO WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS LOOKED AT IN 2015, SOMEBODY APPARENTLY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS STILL A, A GOOD, UM, A GOOD USE OF LOWER DENSITY.
I KNOW SOME FEEL LIKE ANYTHING ON THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY IS FULLY DEVELOPED DEVELOPABLE, IF THAT'S A WORD AND, UM, THAT WE CAN PUT HIGH DENSITY ANYWHERE IN THE EAST END SOME BELIEVE THAT, UM, UM, I LOOK AT THE PLAN AND, AND WHEN I GO BACK AND LOOK AT TUCKAHOE BRIDGE, CUT MYSELF, UM, TUCKAHOE BRIDGE STARTED OUT AT 162 HOMES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND WENT TO A HUNDRED AND FORTY SEVEN, ONE TWENTY FIVE AND THEN CAME DOWN IN 98.
AND IT WAS 98 HOMES ON 98 ACRES.
IT WAS A BUFFER TO THE MORE RURAL AREAS THAT WAS SOMEWHERE ABOUT A MILE FROM THE VILLAGE HERE.
WE'RE TALKING TWO MILES FROM THE VILLAGE, AND YET WE'RE TALKING, DOING HIGH DENSITY FURTHER OUT FROM THE VILLAGE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA OF THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE.
WHERE DOES THAT EXTEND TO 2, 3, 4, 5 MILES OUT,
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OR I THINK OF A VILLAGE AS A CORE AREA.AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE CORE VILLAGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO TO ME IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A MEDIUM DENSITY AREA.
THEN I DENSITY THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I HAVE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE AND THAT'S OKAY.
BUT THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I ASK OF THE BOARD.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE BEING THE CORE VILLAGE? AND IT TALKS ABOUT HAVING COMMERCIAL AND HIGHER DENSITY AREAS IN THE SYNOVIAL CORE VILLAGE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HEARD A PLAN EARLIER ABOUT GOOCHLAND VILLAGE AND GOSHEN VILLAGE IS ANOTHER AREA.
WELL, ARE WE GOING TO RUN TWO MILES DOWN ROUTE SIX AND SAY, OH, THAT'S STILL A GOOCHLAND VILLAGE.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT GUESS SHANNON COMP PLAN PEOPLE MIGHT DISAGREE WITH US.
I LIKE IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT ON A LOWER DENSITY.
MOST OF THE STUFF IN KEN LOCKE IS AN ACRE PLUS I LOOKED UP A BUNCH OF THE, OF, OF ADDRESSES AND KINLOCK TODAY AND EVERYTHING WAS 0.9 ACRE, 1.2 ACRE IN THAT AREA YOU HAVE, THERE ARE SOME PATIO HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT ON SOME OUTER AREAS.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF THEM, BUT UPLOAD THEM.
AND THEY'RE NOT A FULL ACRE, BUT, UM, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS AND MY COMMENTS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, YOU KNOW, UM, MS. MOORE, UH, SAID SOMETHING WHEN SHE CAME UP AND CREATE THE HABIT IS MORE BAD.
THINGS ARE GETTING BACK TO NORMAL NOW, BUT, UM, SHE SAID TO THIS BOARD, YOU, YOU WORKED WITH US AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S A TRUE STATEMENT.
I DON'T THINK THIS BOARD DID THE HARD WORK.
I THINK IT WAS THE CITIZEN IN THE PAST AND THE CASES THAT I PAID A LOT TO INSTITUTE.
IT WAS THE CITIZENS AND THE STAFF AND THE DEVELOPERS WORKING TOGETHER.
UM, AND THROUGH THAT GOOD THINGS CAME TO US.
WE, WE DO, WE WILL WORK WITH FOLKS UP HERE AND THIS IS IT.
AND I'M PROUD THAT WE DO THAT.
UM, AND I'M, UM, I'M OF THE BELIEF THAT THE COMP PLAN IS A GUIDE.
I'M NOT A STICK TO IT, UM, TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF THE METAPHOR OF THE PEACH ICE CREAM, UM, WHICH IS MY DAD'S FAVORITE, BY THE WAY, UM, TO PIGGYBACK OFF THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M A, THAT'S WHY I'M NOT A BAKER BECAUSE NOTHING IS EXACT, I'M A COOK.
AND I LIKE TO MIX THINGS UP AND I LIKE TO SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY, BUT YOU CAN'T GO FROM PEACH ICE CREAM TO PISTACHIO.
AND I THINK WHEN I, AND I, IN MY DISTRICT, WE'RE SEEING THE, WE ARE SEEING THE IMPACTS OF NON, UM, LESS THAN, LESS THAN MANAGED GROWTH.
SO WE'RE SEEING OUR RURAL RULE AREAS BEING SUBDIVIDED BY RIGHTS, AND WE'RE LOSING TIMBERLAND, WE'RE LOSING A LOT OF THINGS.
SO WE'VE GOT TO SOLVE THIS, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
AND, AND I WAS ON THE TEAM I SPENT, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF MY FIRST INTERACTIONS WITH THE COUNTY WAS WORKING ON THE COMP PLAN.
I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I EVER DONE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
SO I SAY THAT I WAS PART OF THAT PLAN THAT HELPED CREATE THAT, THAT GREAT PLAN.
UM, AND WHILE I THINK, UM, IT HAS TO BE FLEXIBLE.
UM, IT CAN'T BE SO WILDLY DIFFERENT THAT YOU'RE MAKING TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF ICE CREAM, SO, OR PUTTING TOO MUCH SALT IN.
SO I, I I'M OKAY WITH DEVIATING FROM THE COMP PLAN WHEN IT MAKES SENSE, BUT NOT TO THE DEGREE THAT WE'RE, WE WERE SEEING HERE.
ONE OF THE THING I WOULD SAY AT THE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, AND I HAD HAD A PHONE CALL FROM A RESIDENT OF, OF THE PARK, UH, THREE, THREE WEEKS OR SO BEFORE THE MEETING ASKING ABOUT THE SPEED LIMIT ON, UM, ON HOCKET ROAD, YOU HAD A CALL FROM SOMEONE TO, AND I BROUGHT IT UP HERE TO BE.IN THE NEXT MEETING.
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AND THEY CAME TO BACK TO US AT THE LAST MEETING AND SAID, THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT AND, UH, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SPEED LIMIT ON HOCKET ROAD.THERE'S NO NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
I SAID, LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARK, REDIS, BRANCH, MOSAIC, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND YOU CAN TELL ME IF 55 MILES AN HOUR SAFE THROUGH THERE, AND IT'D BE NOT SAID, YEP, IT'S FINE.
THE LAST TIME THEY DID A SPEED STUDY WAS 2014.
AND YET THEY HAD NO INTEREST IN DOING A SPEED STUDY WHATSOEVER.
THEY SAID, WE LOOKED AT IT AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PROBLEM IT'S PROBLEMATIC THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SPEED AND YET V DOT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT.
UM, JUST, JUST TO MAKE A COMMENT, UM, IN THE EARLIER BUSINESS MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND BOARDS WE'RE ON.
UM, AND, AND THREE OF US SERVE ON, UM, REGIONAL COMMITTEES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EDUCATE OUR CITIZENS ON IS THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF VITA AND FUNDING TO GET THESE ROADS IMPROVED.
AND UNTIL ROADS GET TO A CERTAIN POSITION, IT BECOMES THIS CATCH 22.
WE CAN'T QUALIFY TO GET THE ROADS IMPROVED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE POPULATION AND OUR CITIZENS DON'T WANT US TO HAVE THE POPULATION.
SO WE CAN'T GET THE ROADS IMPROVE TO HAVE THE POPULATION.
SO W YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR TO TRY TO CHANGE SOME OF THAT, SO THAT THE SMALLER LOCALITIES HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SAY IN FUNDING FOR ROSE, BUT IT WILL NEVER BE TO THE EXTENT OF BEING ABLE TO DO ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT WITH OUR OWN DOLLARS ON, ON HOCKET ROAD.
SO SOME THERE, THERE, AREN'T GOING TO BE SITUATIONS WHERE THE GROWTH IS GOING TO BE NECESSITATED IN ORDER TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SHOULD IT BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND EVERYBODY UP HERE THAT GOES TO THESE MEETINGS WOULD SAY YES.
AND, UM, WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S JUST NOT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO I SAY THAT IN THAT WE, I HEAR, I HEARD DOOR KNOCKING.
I HEAR ALL THE TIME, HEY, WE'RE GOOD WITH GROWTH, JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT SMART GROWTH.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF DIFFERENT IMPACTS OF THAT, BUT I THINK IT JUST GOES TO SPEAK TO WHETHER IT'S CORRIDOR PLANS OR COMPREHENDS, WHERE WE DO NEED TO GET BACK TO READDRESSING.
WHAT DOES THE VILLAGE LOOK LIKE? AND, AND WHAT, WHERE IS THIS GROWTH GOING TO, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST COMING IT'S HERE AND WE HAVE TO MANAGE IT THE RIGHT WAY AND PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING US TO, OKAY, THANK YOU, MR.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE LAND USE MAP, THE COMP PLAN MAP FOR THE WHOLE AREA DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP FOR THE, IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP FOR THE VILLAGE, THIS PROPERTY IS OFF OF THAT THIS PROPERTY IS BELOW AND NOT EVEN APPEARING.
THIS IS NOT VILLAGE VILLAGE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S CLOSER TO TUCKAHOE CREEK PARKWAY KINLOCK AND THEN THE GOLF COURSE THAT WHOLE ON, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH OF KIM LOCK-IN, THE GOLF COURSE IS ALL ON THE COMP PLAN FOR LOW DENSITY.
AND SO SOMEBODY SAID THAT HAWKIN ROAD IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY BE WIDE AND THERE IT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE WIDENED WELL, THAT WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE BOARD, THAT THAT CAME UP AND THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS, PARTICULARLY TOWARDS THE SOUTH.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, YOU HAVE TO WONDER, IS IT JUST GOING TO END UP THAT HOCKETT ROAD IS GOING TO BECOME A MAJOR ROAD? THAT'S GOING TO SERVE A LOT OF RESIDENCES TO THE WEST AND, UH, BUSINESSES TO THE EAST.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HAPPENING.
AND I APPRECIATE MR. LYLE AND THE FOLKS THAT SAY THE 70, 30, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE'RE ADDING SO MUCH DENSITY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, WE ARE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT HARDER TO GET TO THE RIGHT BALANCE OF REVENUE.
BUT THEN HOW IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF BUSINESSES ARE WE TRYING TO ATTRACT? AND IF THERE WERE PUTTING THEM IN WEST CREEK, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE TENDENCY WOULD BE NATURAL FOR THIS TO BECOME MORE DENSE UP AND DOWN HOCKET ROAD ON, ON, ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND WE HAVE TO HOLD THE LINE TO PUT BUSINESSES,
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BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BECOME A BUSINESS.WE'RE NOT GOING TO, THIS IS NOT A CANDIDATE FOR COMMERCIAL.
SO I GUESS PEOPLE THAT ARE POSTED DENSITY, THEY DON'T LIKE THE LOOK.
AND THEY CERTAINLY DON'T LIKE THE TRAFFIC.
WE DON'T LIKE THE TRAFFIC, BUT TRAFFIC TO YOUR POINT, TRAFFIC IS IT'S SO REACTIONARY.
IT W YOU KNOW, IT'S COMPLETELY REACTIONARY TO GETTING TO GETTING OUR TRAFFIC OR TRANSPORTATION NEEDS DONE.
I MEAN, IT, I COULD SEE THIS DENSITY ENDING UP BEING APPROPRIATE.
D DO WE HOLD ON IT? AND IF WE HOLD THE LINE, DO WE HOLD THE LINE FROM, FROM THE COUNTY PROPERTY ALL THE WAY SOUTH TO, TO HOW FAR, UM, JUST, I GUESS 6 21, IT DOES.
IT DOES SEEMS LIKE THIS IS JUST LANDING DENSITY OUT OF THE AREA THAT I THINK THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE A DOMINO, JUST LOOKS TO ME ON THE MAP.
IT WOULD BE A DOMINO THAT WOULD FALL.
THAT WOULD THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOT TOO MUCH LONGER BEFORE YOU JUST SAY HIGH DENSITY ALONG THE WHOLE WEST SIDE OF POCKET.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COMP PLAN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS IT IS, IT IS A GUIDE IN A VILLAGE CASE WE HEARD EARLIER.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS DONE BEFORE WE HAD THE UTILITIES TO SERVICE THE AREA.
WE HAVE THE UTILITIES NOW, SO THAT CHANGES THE CALCULUS, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS CHANGED HERE THAT WOULD WARRANT SAY HIGHER AND HIGHER DENSITY RELATIVE TO THE PLAN.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, UM, YEAH, MR. CHAIR, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.
CAN, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL BACK UP THAT CHART FROM THE COUNTY SLIDE THAT HAD THE DENSITIES CALCULATED FOR THE NEARBY DEVELOPMENTS? AND WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I'LL TRY AND MAKE SOME OTHER COMMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, LONG TIME AGO I STUDIED ECONOMICS AND THEY, THEY TEACH A GOOD ECONOMIST TO SAY, WELL, ON THE ONE HAND THIS, AND ON THE OTHER HAND THAT I'D BEEN LOOKING FOR A ONE-HANDED ECONOMIST FOR A LONG TIME, I CAN'T FIND ONE.
UM, ON THE ONE HAND, THIS IS PROBABLY INAPPROPRIATE LAND USE, SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE WEST SIDE OF HOCKET, PROBABLY LAND USE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, EAST SIDE, A HOCKEY.
YOU CAN ARGUE A LOT OF THAT'S WEST CREEK AND IT'S SUITABLE FOR OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT ON THE WEST SIDE, UM, NOW UP NORTH, ON HOCKETT, ON THE WEST SIDE, YOU HAD READERS, BRANCH AND PARK AT CENTERVILLE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER.
THOSE ARE ON, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE A QUARTER OF AN ACRE ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT LOT SIZE, A QUARTER OF AN ACRE FOR READERS, BRANCH, AND PARK AT CENTERVILLE.
UM, THOSE ARE, I BELIEVE IN THE VILLAGE BOUNDARY.
SO NOW WE'RE LEAVING THE VILLAGE BOUNDARY AND I BELIEVE IT'S WHAT, UM, A FIFTH OF AN ACRE 0.2 0.21 FOR THE PROPOSAL.
SO WE'RE GOING A COUPLE OF MILES OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE BOUNDARY, BUT TAKING THE DENSITY UP A NOTCH.
AND IT JUST SEEMED TO GO IN THE WRONG WAY AGAIN, CONCEPTUALLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON DENSITY AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO THE DENSITY IS NOT OUT COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE, A QUARTER OF AN ACRE, UH, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE, BUT THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S INSIDE THE, UH, INSIDE THE VILLAGE BOUNDARY, MOSAIC WE'VE HEARD IS IN WEST CREEK.
AND AGAIN, IT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
SO THEN WHAT WE'VE GOT ARRESTED WAS WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE DENSITY.
IS THIS A TRANSITION PERIOD WHERE YOU HAVE AREA FROM THE VILLAGE TO RURAL? IS IT MORE OF A TRANSITION AREA, OR IS IT A MIGRATION OF THE VILLAGE, YOU KNOW, DOWN IN HOCKEY, THOSE ARE, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH HERE A LITTLE BIT.
EVEN IF YOU MAKE THE CASE THAT THIS IS KIND OF IN THE VILLAGE BOUNDARY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A QUARTER OF AN ACRE FOR THE OTHER ONES.
SO IT'S, IT'S TAKEN UP EVEN A NOTCH FURTHER ON THE DENSITY SIDE.
SO I GUESS WHERE I'M COMING OUT, IT'S APPROPRIATE LAND USE, WHAT'S THE EXACT RIGHT DENSITY.
YOU TRY TO TRIANGULATE AND SAY, WELL, WHAT, WHAT TYPES OF PROPERTIES THAT WE TRY TO DO HERE? IS IT A TRANSITION? IS IT A VILLAGE? IS IT A RURAL? WHAT, WHAT IS IT? UM, SOMETIMES WHEN WE REVISIT THE COMP PLAN IS BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN NEW INFORMATION, WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL SEWER CAPACITY, OR WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL WATER CAPACITY, UH, UH, THE, UM, THERE'S AT LEAST TWO TIMES THAT WE'VE HAD, WE'VE DONE THAT AND SAID, OKAY, THERE'S A DIFFERENT, IN THIS CASE, THERE ISN'T A CHANGE IN MATERIAL CHANGE IN THE UTILITIES OR THE SUPPORT FOR THE AREA TO DRIVE THAT, THAT OVERRIDE OF THE COMP PLAN, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED IT, UM, LIKE REED MARSH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE SAID, THERE'S NEW INFORMATION.
EVEN THE ONE THAT WE HEARD A LITTLE EARLIER, UH, WE GOT NEW INFORMATION
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AS SEWER CAPACITY WAS INCREASED.SO I GUESS I HAVEN'T THAT IT COMES ON THE ONE HAND IT'S AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE.
IT'S THE RIGHT THING IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THE DENSITY HAS TAKEN IT UP A NOTCH FURTHER AWAY FROM THE VILLAGE.
AND IS THAT THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GO? UM, I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION BEFORE US, I THINK MS. CHAIR, MR. COLEMAN IT, OR ANYBODY THAT TRANSPORTATION, THE HOCKETT ROAD BYPASS IS THAT FUNDED.
I KNOW WE'RE MOVING CLOSER TO THAT IS THAT HOCKEY ROAD ROAD IS, UH, THAT IS A FUNDED PROJECT TO CAPACITY TO THE INTERSECTION LINE.
WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD IN THE NEAR FUTURE WITH SORT OF A TENTATIVE SCHEDULE ON THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FUNDED FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE POCKET ROAD REALIGNMENT IS FUNDED, RIGHT.
AND MS. JOE, WHEN I'VE, WHEN I'VE HAD V THAT WHEN THEY'VE COME UP AND GIVEN US THEIR TRAFFIC STUDIES, THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT THE TERMINUS, THE INTERSECTIONS AT BROADENED PATTERSON ARE, ARE THE CRUNCH POINTS THAT THE ROAD IN BETWEEN IS DESIGNED AS A NORTH SOUTH COLLECTOR.
IT'S DESIGNED FOR MUCH HIGHER TRAFFIC COUNTS THAN A CURRENT CATS.
BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE END OF THE ROAD, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET THE TROUBLE AT THE NORTH END, THAT REALIGNMENT IS DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THAT AND KEEP TRAFFIC MOVING AT THE NORTH END.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SIMILAR TYPE THING AT THE, AT THE SOUTHERN TERMINUS YET, BUT, UH, BUT THAT, THAT NORTHERN ONE, I GUESS, IS FUNDED ALREADY AND WILL APPEAR BEFORE US BEFORE TOO LONG.
JUST ONE OTHER THING IS, UH, KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF OF MR. PETERSON'S COMMENTS WITHIN THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL AS THE CORE IS MOST, YOU KNOW, THE ORANGE OR WHATEVER THAT COLOR IS.
UH, BUT THEN, UH, SOUTH OF THAT IS A SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY, MEDIUM DENSITY THAT'S WITHIN THE VILLAGE.
SO NOW WE'RE OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE AND WE'RE GOING TO GO UP AND THINK ABOUT TUCKAHOE BRIDGE.
THAT SIG THAT'S EXACTLY THE SITUATION WHERE WE WERE OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE, BUT TAKING THE DENSITY DOWN.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE KIND OF THE PROGRESSION, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO COME OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE, WHICH IS ALREADY MEDIUM, AND THEN GO UP IN DENSITY OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE.
MS. MS. HUNTER I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU IN A SECOND, BUT I WOULD SAY, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK TH TH THE ONLY, I THINK THAT'S AN ACCURATE COMPARISON, BUT THE ONLY PIECE ABOUT TUCKAHOE BRIDGE WAS THAT WAS AT THE EDGE OF THE TUCKAHOE BOUNDARY.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THE SENSE THAT WAS SMARTER, LIKE TWO MILES AWAY.
WELL, IT'S FURTHER AWAY, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT, BUT IT'S, BUT IF YOU LOOK FURTHER DOWN, IN OTHER WORDS, IS THE DENSITY GOING TO CRUNCH TOGETHER FROM, FROM NORTH TO SOUTH? IS IT COMING TOGETHER? I THINK WE'LL HOPE NOT.
AND I THINK CITIZENS HOPE NOT, THEN THIS, WELL, THEN THIS IS, THIS IS THAT DOMINO THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE, IF, IF IT, IF IT GOES, THEN WHY, WHY NOT GO AHEAD AND FILL IN THE REST OF THAT AREA WITH HIGH DENSITY, WE MAKE A CHANGE THAT HUNTER DID YOU HAVE? I WAS JUST GOING TO CLARIFY THAT HOPE BRIDGE WAS THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE WAS NOT THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT.
BUT IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS A BIG THING.
IT WAS, IT WAS A TRANSITION TO FURTHER UP, I GUESS I WAS THINKING, I GUESS.
YEAH, IT WAS THAT MANNEQUIN ROUTE.
SO I GUESS TO YOUR POINT, MR. CHAIR, THAT WAS A TRANSITION AWAY FROM THE VILLAGE TOWARD MORE RURAL.
AND I GUESS SHAREPOINT IS, THIS IS KIND OF TRANSITIONING TO WHAT THIS IS DEAD CENTER IN THE CIRCLE AROUND THE PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS, AS OPPOSED TO TRANSITIONING OUT TO THE RURAL.
BUT, UM, IS THAT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE POINT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THIS, I MEAN, THIS I, THE HIGH DENSITY DOES NOT FIT.
IT DOES NOT FIT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE'RE DOING, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS, THIS IS A DOMINO TO JUST FILL IN THAT WHOLE WEST SIDE OF HOCKET ROAD WITH MUCH HIGHER DENSITY, OR WE HAVE THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE TO DO IT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE TO DO IT.
UM, WELL, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PROPERTY OWNERS WANT TO DO.
AND SO CONTINUING TO DISCUSSION ON, AT SOME POINT, UH, JERRY WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER, GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE BENSONS AND MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT THE DENSITY IF THEY SO CHOOSE
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RATHER THAN S THAN JUST DENY IT.IS THAT A MOTION? UH, UM, YES, SIR.
SO MOVE THAT WE DEFER TO OUR AUGUST MEETING, UM, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BECAUSE THERE'LL BE CHANGES, RIGHT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE FOUR CASES THAT POTENTIALLY WILL BE COMING FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ONE OF WHICH MAY BE CONTROVERSIAL.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR THEM THE NEXT MONTH, BILLY.
UM, THIS ONE, IT, IF THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE MAKING CHANGES, I'M NOT SURE THERE'LL BE ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND HAVE STAFF EVALUATE IN 30 DAYS.
SO YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER A, A 60 DAY DEFERRAL FOR THIS ONE, THIS ONE.
UH, SINCE THE CHANGES ARE PRETTY DRASTIC, UM, POTENTIALLY YES, WE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT 60 DAYS.
MS. SMITH MOTION IS TO DEFER THE DECISION TO END THE PUBLIC HEARING TO OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING SESSION.
JUST TO CONFIRM THAT IF WE DID PUSH US TO A VOTE TONIGHT, IT WAS DENIED.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER WHOLE YEAR TO COME BACK.
SO I THINK, I THINK REFERRING IS, IS GOING TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO REVIEW FROM A COUNTY ORDINANCE STANDPOINT AND THE LANDOWNER TO REVIEW FROM AN ACCESS STANDPOINT.
AND THEN TO THE EXTENT YOU DESIRE TO LOOK AT THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND BOUNCED AROUND WITH THE DENSITY.
SO I DID, THAT'S THE ONLY DISCUSSION I HAD MR. CHAIR, IS THAT, UM, DIFFERING AT LEAST GIVES THEM AN OPTION TO BE ABLE TO WORK SOME OF THESE THINGS OUT IRON OUT, SOME OF THE WRINKLES.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD SUMMARY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU, YOU WANT TO WORK TO GET THE CHAIR OF THE PROPER KIND OF A PROPERTY ON THE ACCESS COMPLIES WITH THE ORDINANCES.
SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE, THAT'S NOT A HURDLE FOR US.
AND THEN YOU, YOU HAVE HEARD THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT DENSITY.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? TRY AND GET THIS IN TODAY.
NO SUPERVISOR, SUPERVISOR LAST BLOOD.
THE MOTION TO DEFER PASSES FOUR TO ONE, TWO SEPTEMBER REGULAR MEETING.
THANKS EVERYBODY FOR PARTICIPATION.
OH, WE SHOULD'VE, WE SHOULD'VE MOVED TO DEFERRED NUMBER.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO DEFER THE TCS, THE TRACK AT MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? I'M JENNIFER MELLON AND REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING AS WELL.
WITH THAT, UM, FORWARD, I, I MOVED THAT WE, IF THEY DO IT, IF YOU ALL DO IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT IT OR ANYTHING IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO VOTE, IF THEY IS THAT RIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE DONE AN APPLICANT DEFERRAL LIKE THAT BEFORE, BUT I BELIEVE MS. HUNTER HAS GIVEN US THE RIGHT ADVICE AS SHE DOES.
SO NUMBER FOUR IS DIVERT OR THE NEXT HEARING IS DIFFERENT AS WELL.
[4. 4043: Ordinance amending County Code Section 14-251 (Tuckahoe Creek Service]
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING FOR JULY IS ADJOURNED UNTIL TUESDAY, AUGUST 3RD, UH, 1 12 30 AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING HERE IN THIS BUILDING.AND THEN OUR REGULAR MEETING, AUGUST 3RD, 2:00 PM.
HERE, ALL MEETINGS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.