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ARE YOU READY? AND IT, ARE YOU READY? ALL RIGHT.
LET'S BOARD MEMBERS ALL READY? YES, SIR.
I CALLED TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING FOR AUGUST, 2021, TUESDAY.
[I. Call to Order, 2:00 PM]
OF THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.WE BEGAN AS WE ALWAYS DO WITH AN INVOCATION.
AND TODAY WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE, UH, PASTOR BOB BLAKEMORE OF MITZVAH CHRISTIAN CHURCH, AND, UH, COME ON UP PASTOR AND AFTERWARDS WE WILL, UH, SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY MR. PETERSON.
[II. Invocation]
PLEASE.OUR MOST GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER.
LORD, WE COME TO YOU JUST NOW AS A BODY LORD RELIANT UPON YOU.
THE LORD THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US MANY ABILITIES, MANY CAPABILITIES, FATHER YOU'VE GIVEN US INTELLIGENCE.
LORD, YOU'VE GIVEN US THE ABILITY TO COME TO YOU, LORD, AS WE GATHER HERE TODAY, I PRAY THAT YOU A GUIDANCE LORD, THAT WE WON'T JUST SPEAK YOUR NAME BEFORE, BUT THAT FATHER THROUGHOUT THE MEETING WILL ALLOW YOUR GUIDANCE TO GUIDE US FATHER.
THAT'S HERE FATHER IN THE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTY LORD, I THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US AND FATHER JUST NOW I ASK A SPECIAL REQUEST, LORD, THAT FOR ALL OF OUR LOVED ONES THAT ARE STRUGGLING, STRUGGLING WITH COVID BOTHER THOSE THAT ARE SICK.
THOSE THAT ARE IN THE HOSPITAL, LORD, THAT YOU PROTECT THEM, THAT YOU KEEP THEM CLOSE TO YOU.
DID YOU PUT YOUR HEALING HAND UPON THEM AND FATHER, ESPECIALLY TODAY.
I ASKED A PERSONAL REQUEST FOR JENNY FATHER.
THANK YOU FOR LOVING US AND THANK YOU FOR GUIDING US AND FATHER.
I PRAY THAT YOU'LL BE WITH THIS MEETING AND HELP THEM TO GLORIFY YOU IN ALL THEIR WORK.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
[III. Pledge of Allegiance]
AND TUTORING REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.SO THE MEETING HERE, I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS, UH, I WILL
[IV. Chair's Comments]
IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, BUT I DO HAVE A FEW THINGS TO BRING TO THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION.UM, THE BOARD, IT WAS ADDRESSED TO ME, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY RECEIVED A COPY OF A VERY, UH, THOUGHTFUL AND NICE LETTER FROM JIM HOLLAND, UH, CHESTERFIELD COUNTIES, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, CHAIR, AND, UH, I'LL READ A COUPLE OF SENTENCES FROM IT.
UM, OUR STAFF AND THE FAMILY OF FIREFIGHTER, TY VON ELDRIDGE ARE FOREVER GRATEFUL FOR THE OUTPOURING OF KINDNESS AND SUPPORT SHOWN BY GOOCHLAND, WHICH PROVIDED US INVALUABLE TIME TO HONOR TAIWAN, COMFORT HIS FAMILY AND BEGIN OUR OWN HEALING FROM SUCH A LOSS.
GOOCHLAND IS TRANSITIONED TO ASSIST CHESTERFIELD WITH FIRE STATION BACKFILLS WITH SEAMLESS.
AND, UH, MR. HOLLAND GOES ON TO JUST SPEAK TO THE BLESSING OF THE REGIONAL COOPERATION THAT WE, WE HAVE CERTAINLY BEEN BENEFICIARIES OF.
AND WE ARE GLAD THAT WE, UM, NOT GLAD FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT IT HAPPENED, BUT CERTAINLY GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HELP.
AND IT WAS A CERTAINLY A NICE LETTER, UM, IN A DIFFICULT TIME.
AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO WORK WITH OUR COLLEAGUES THERE.
AND W APPRECIATE MR. HOLLINS RECOGNIZING THAT.
UH, AND I SEE SOME GESTURE FIELD FOLKS HERE.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW, PLEASE KNOW THAT, UH, WE WE'RE GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO ASSIST YOU.
UM, WELL, W CHIEF THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHEAT FOR YOU TO COME.
WE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS, I THINK, LET ME IT ON JULY 27TH AT
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APPROXIMATELY SEVEN 30, A SEWER FORCE MAIN OPERATED BY OUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT BROKE ALONG THE RIVER ROAD, JUST WEST OF THE COUNTY LINE, UM, COUNTY PERSONNEL, INCLUDING OUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES, FIRE EMS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC UTILITIES, UM, RESPONDED IMMEDIATELY.THE ROAD WAS CLOSED AND WE SHUT DOWN THE BROKEN LINE.
UH, THIS IS OF COURSE HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS, BUT JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS TO ADD TO THIS.
THE, WE HAVE HIRED A UTILITY CONTRACTOR, UM, TO REPAIR THE DAMAGED PORTION OF THE PIPELINE AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTRACTOR HAS GOTTEN INVOLVED TO REMOVE AND DISPOSE OF THE SEWAGE, UH, BEHIND THE CONTAINMENT BERM.
UM, AS OF YESTERDAY, THE REPAIRS AND TEST YOUR PRESSURE TESTING OF THE PIPELINE WERE COMPLETED.
CLEANUP OPERATIONS ARE STILL ONGOING.
UM, UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF DEQ, UM, SAMPLING HAS BEEN DONE SCHEDULED ADDITIONAL WATER SAMPLING FROM THE TUCKAHOE CREEK.
AND VDH I NOTICED HAS POSTING THAT TIMELY, UH, LETTING FOLKS KNOW ABOUT, UH, THEIR, THEIR WATER TESTING.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP FOLKS UPDATED.
WE THINK, OF COURSE OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF UTILITIES, BUT, UH, THE DOT DEQ, UM, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HENRICO COUNTY PUBLIC UTILITIES FOR ALL OF THEIR ASSISTANCE IN THAT THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE ASSOCIATE FINANCE OFFERS ASSOCIATION OFFICER'S ASSOCIATION HAS AWARD IS THE CERTIFICATE OF ACHIEVEMENT FOR EXCELLENCE IN FINANCIAL REPORTING TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY FOR OUR CAFFER OR COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED JUNE 30TH, 2020.
THIS CERTIFICATE OF ACHIEVEMENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF RECOGNITION IN THE AREA OF GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING AND FINANCIAL REPORTING.
UM, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENT OF OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE FOLKS THAT HAVE DONE SUCH EXCELLENT WORK THAT ALLOWED US TO RECEIVE THAT AWARD.
LAST ITEM OF BEGINNING, AUGUST 2ND OF, UH, THIS WELL JUST, UH, YESTERDAY, THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND ADOPTION CENTER HAS NEW HOURS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THE FACILITY IS OPEN ON TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 10 TO FOUR SATURDAYS ATTEND TO TOO, AND WE WILL BE EXPANDING TO INCLUDE SOME EVENING HOURS IN THE UPCOMING WEEKS.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE, UM, MOVING TO THE AGENDA FOR THE REST OF THE EVENING.
UH, THERE IS GOING TO BE AN ADDITION OF ONE ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS, UH,
[V. Requests to Postpone Agenda Items and Additions, Deletions or Changes in the]
AND THE NEW BUSINESS SECTION ENTITLED RESOLUTION APPOINTING, INTERIM, A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND AUTHORIZATION FOR THE BOARD CHAIR TO EXECUTE AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.SO WITHOUT OBJECTION, UM, I WILL ADD THAT ITEM.
NUMBER ONE, IT'S GOING TO BE ROMAN.
NO, NO, ACTUALLY WHEN I PUT IT NUMBER ONE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT UP FIRST UNDER NEW BUSINESS, ROMAN NUMERAL X NEW BUSINESS, IT'S GOING TO BE ITEM ONE AND SO CAN READ NUMBER ALL THE REST OF THEM TWO THROUGH SEVEN ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL MOVE INTO THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, AND WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO ANYBODY
[VI. Citizen Comment]
THAT WANTS TO COME BEFORE US AND BRING SOMETHING BEFORE US.THAT'S GERMANE TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
UM, WE ASK THAT YOU COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM AND LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES AFTER YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE, THE LIGHT WILL TURN YELLOW WHEN YOU HAVE A MINUTE LEFT AND RED WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.
UM, SO WE WILL OPEN THE FIRST, UH, CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD FOR OUR AFTERNOON SESSION.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. PRESIDENT AND ESTEEMED MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS JANAE PROVOST WHITE, AND I LIVE AT 35 45 PACE TOWN ROAD IN SANDY HOOK.
I'VE LIVED IN THE COUNTY FOR 20 YEARS.
AND I HAVE TWO YOUNG SONS, AGE, 17 AND 19, BOTH STUDENT ATHLETES GRADUATES OF GUZMAN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL.
I AM ALSO THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS FOR THE TOWN OF DUMFRIES IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
AS YOU MAY KNOW, A 18 YEAR OLD YOUNG MAN AND RECENT GRADUATE OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL WAS KILLED ON A MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT LAST NIGHT ON ROUTE 5 22.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE ACCIDENT WAS CAUSED BY SPEED OR SOME OTHER FACTOR, BUT I DO KNOW THE PAPER REPORTED.
HE CROSSED THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINE
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AND HIT THE CAR HEAD ON.THERE'VE BEEN TOO MANY CRASHES ON THIS ROAD AND FAIRGROUND ROAD IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
EACH INCIDENT IS SCARY AND GUT WRENCHING.
AND AS THE PARENT OF TWO YOUNG MEN WHO HAVE FRIENDS, THEY HAVE SEEN MANY OF THEIR FRIENDS INVOLVED INVOLVED IN THESE CRASHES.
I PERSONALLY HAVE KNOWN AT LEAST TWO HANDFULS OF THESE CRASHES ON THESE TWO ROADS THROUGH THE HEART OF THE COUNTY, MANY INVOLVING TEENAGERS, AND ONE DEATH IS ONE DEATH, TOO MANY.
I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER INSTALLING RUMBLE STRIPS ALONG THESE TWO ROADS TO HELP REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF HEAD-ON CRASHES.
THE CENTER LINE RUMBLE STRIP IS A LONGITUDINAL SAFETY FEATURE INSTALLED AT OR NEAR THE CENTER LINE OF A PAVED ROAD.
IT IS MADE OF A SERIES OF MILLED OR RAISED ELEMENTS INTENDED TO ALERT, ATTENDED DRIVERS THROUGH VIBRATION AND SOUND THAT THE VEHICLES HAVE LEFT THE TRAVELING.
ANYONE WHO'S TRAVELED ALONG 5 22 THROUGH POWER TAMP OR CROSS THE SHOULDER EDGE ON ROUTE 60.
NO, THE VERY LOUD, VERY STRONG STEERING WHEEL VIBRATION CAUSED BY THE RUMBLE STRIPS.
THEY ARE VERY EFFECTIVE IN SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE DRIFTING.
STAY IN YOUR LANE FROM BOTH STRIPS ARE INSTALLED AS LOW COST SAFETY COUNTER MEASURES THAT CAN REDUCE SINGLE VEHICLE RUN OFF THE ROAD AND CROSS IN HER CRASHES.
RUMBLE STRIPS, ALERT, INATTENTIVE, EXCUSE ME, INATTENTIVE OR DROWSY MOTORISTS WHOSE VEHICLES HAVE DRIFTED OUT OF THEIR TRAVELING AS MOTOR VEHICLES, TIRES PASSOVER THE RUMBLE STRIPS, THE DRIFTING MOTORISTS RECEIVE AUDITORY AND TACTILE WARNINGS TO CORRECT THEIR PATH OF STEERING.
TO ADD SOME BRIEF STATISTICS FOR HEAD AND OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
SIDESWIPE COLLISIONS, THE NATIONAL COOPERATIVE HIGHWAY RESEARCH PROGRAM DOCUMENTS THAT MILLED CENTER RUMBLE STRIPS PROVIDE STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS IN FATAL AND INJURY CRASHES.
38 TO 50% ON RURAL TWO LANE ROADS AND 37 TO 91% ON URBAN TWO LANE ROADS.
I HAVE NOT TALKED WITH VITA TO FIGURE OUT THE COST TO THE COUNTY, NOR HAVE I INQUIRED ABOUT THE CONDITIONS THAT MAKE INSTALLING RUBBER STRIPS FAVORABLE, SUCH AS RECOVERY SHOULDERS FOR OVERCORRECTION RUMBLE STRIPS WON'T DETER SPEEDING OR DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE.
WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT IT'S WORTH THE EFFORT TO CONSIDER INSTALLING THESE MEASURES BECAUSE ANY MONEY SPENT IN SAVING THE LIFE OF ONE YOUNG PERSON IS MONEY WELL SPENT.
REST IN PEACE TO MR. CLEMENS AND MY CONDOLENCES TO HIS FAMILY.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, JONATHAN LYLE, UH, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
I AM A DIRECTOR FOR THE MONACAN SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
AND I JUST TAKE A COUPLE OF MOMENTS TO UPDATE YOU ON ALL THINGS THAT, NOT ALL THINGS, BUT MANY THINGS AGRICULTURE HERE IN THE COUNTY.
I WANT TO GIVE 'EM A SHOUT OUT OR COMPLIMENTS TO SARAH WARLEY AND, UH, NICOLE SCHUMANN FROM EXTENSION.
THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING VISITS TO FARMERS IN THE COUNTY ASKING HOW THE COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CAN BE OF SERVICE TO THEM.
AGRICULTURE IS THE BIGGEST INDUSTRY IN THE COUNTY CONSIDER THAT WHENEVER YOU'RE CONSIDERING REZONING AGRICULTURAL LAND TO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IT IS A BIG INDUSTRY IN THE COUNTY.
AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS ARE REACHING OUT TO THE AG COMMUNITY.
ALSO, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN, UH, SOME OF THE ADVERTISING, BUT THE ALVIS FARMS SUNFLOWER FESTIVAL WAS CONTINUING AND IS ACTIVE THIS WEEKEND OVER ON SICK SCA Y ROAD SHEA SCA Y ROAD.
UM, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY A THIRD TIME.
UH, SO THERE WERE 8,000 FOLKS WHO ATTENDED LAST YEAR.
UH, IT IS A AGRICULTURAL EVENT AND THEY ARE ALSO ONE OF THE LARGE AG BUSINESSES HERE IN THE COUNTY.
UH, I'VE SHARED WITH YOU LAST MEETING OR A PREVIOUS MEETING THAT, UH, THE DCR DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION RECREATION HAS INCREASED THE COST SHARE BUDGETING THAT MONICA AND SOIL WATER WILL HAVE IN THIS NOW CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, UH, WE HAVE, UH, ADDED TO OUR STAFF TO HELP GET THAT CONSERVATION MONEY IN PRACTICE AND GET, UH, FARMERS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THESE RESOURCES.
AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, THE GOVERNOR'S WATERSHED IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THREE HAS SOME CRITERIA THAT IF THEY'RE NOT MET, UH, FARMERS IN THIS COUNTY AND POWELTON
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WELL ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH WILL BE REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT CERTAIN AGRICULTURAL PRACTICES.THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A MANDATE TO BE FUNDED.
AND SO WE ARE AGGRESSIVELY REACHING OUT TO FARMERS AND WE'RE GOING TO GO QUICKLY HERE.
UM, FOR THOSE THINGS, AGRICULTURE, I'M GOING TO PUT A SPECIAL PLUGIN FOR KATI CHEEL FORMS, UH, RIGHT UP THE ROAD.
UH, MS. BEST K WIZ CAN SHOW OFF SOME OF THE FLOWERS THAT THEY ARE GROWING THERE.
THEY ALSO HAVE SOME VERY, UH, SUCCULENT SWEET CORN.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO A COTTAGE HILL FARMS, A FARM STAND, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DO THAT.
AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO PAUL DRUMRIGHT AND JOANNE HUNTER WHO HELPED ON AN UNRELATED MATTER.
BUT I HAD A TOURISM COLLEAGUE OF MINE ASK ABOUT THE BROADBAND ACTIVITIES GOING ON HERE.
UH, SHE IS A SUPERVISOR IN RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY AND AS THEY WERE CONSIDERING SOME OF THEIR ACTIVITIES WITH, UH, UH, BROADBAND, UH, BOTH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE VERY HELPFUL.
AND, UM, UH, JUST REACHED OUT AND SHARED INFORMATION AS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN GOOCHLAND, WHICH WAS MUCH APPRECIATED.
AND SINCE I STILL DON'T SEE, I DO SEE THE RED LIGHTS, SO I'LL SIT DOWN.
THANK YOU, MR.
WE'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD FOR THE AFTERNOON SESSION.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA BOARD MEMBERS IS THE APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM JUNE 7TH AND JULY SIX.
[VII. Approval of Minutes]
THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OF COMMENTS? A CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF WE CAN HANDLE BOTH OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME.MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JUNE 7TH AND JULY 6TH, 2021 SECOND, MOTION.
THANK YOU, MR. SPRINGER, MS. ALASKA, ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
I'M GOING TO CHANGE IT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT, MR. WAYNE.
I'D LIKE THE CHIEF FERGUSON, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP FIRST AND I APOLOGIZE, I GOT THROWN OFF A LITTLE BIT WHEN I REALIZED I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE TALKED TO YOU BEFOREHAND.
COME ON UP BECAUSE THERE ARE THE CHESTERFIELD FOLKS HERE AND I HAD THAT COMMENT ABOUT MR. HOLLINS LETTER, BUT YOU MAY HAVE SOME MORE WORDS AND I'M SORRY, WE DIDN'T COORDINATE BEFOREHAND, BUT PLEASE.
THANK YOU, MR. OLYMPIANS AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, EDDIE FERGUSON, FIRE RESCUE CHIEF.
UM, OF COURSE THE, UH, THE BOARD REPORT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, UH, FOR FIRE RESCUE.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT, THEN CERTAINLY BE GLAD TO ANSWER, ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, IN ADDITION, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO TODAY IS MAYBE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE REPORT, UH, AND THEN, UM, MOVE INTO A SPECIAL, UM, INTRODUCTION IN PRESENTATION, UH, THAT WE HAVE HERE, UH, WITH OUR PARTNERS AT CHESTERFIELD FIRE AND EMS.
[VIII. Reports]
UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, UH, I JUST WANTED TO[2. 4089: Fire-Rescue 08.03.21]
MAKE MENTION, UM, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE, THE CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD OF WE, OF COURSE WE WERE, UH, AT THAT TRAGIC ACCIDENT LAST NIGHT AND CERTAINLY, UH, EXTEND OUR DEEPEST CONDOLENCES TO THE LOCAL FAMILY, UH, FOR THEIR LOSS, UH, VERY, VERY TRAGIC TO SAY THE LEAST, UH, NEXT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT LAST, UH, WEDNESDAY EVENING WE HAD A WEATHER EVENT MOVED THROUGH THE COUNTY.THAT WAS A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM.
UH, IT TOOK A VERY UNUSUAL TRACK THROUGH THE COUNTY.
IT TRANSVERSE THE COUNTY FROM OILVILLE OVER TO CROZIER, EXITED INTO POWER TAN, AND THERE WAS A QUITE A BIT OF DAMAGE, UH, BASED ON THE TRACK THAT IT TOOK.
I WANT TO JUST TO MENTION THAT WE DID HAVE THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN WAKEFIELD COME OUT AND A BATTALION CHIEF, UH, MARQUIS ESCORTED THEM, UH, THROUGH THE AREAS.
UH, FRIDAY AFTERNOON, THEY TOOK A LOOK AT THAT AND THEY CERTAINLY, UM, GAVE US AN OPINION AND THEIR OPINION AND BASED ON WHAT THEY SAW IN THEIR WEATHER RADAR HISTORY WAS THAT IT WAS A, A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM, UH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY A STRAIGHT LINE WINDS THAT WERE ON THE UPS OF A POSSIBLY 80 MILES AN HOUR.
UH, THERE WERE NUMEROUS TREES DOWN ROADS THAT WERE CLOSED.
I KNOW THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FIRE RESCUE AND V THAT WERE ALL WORKING INTO THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING TO TRY TO CLEAR THOSE, UH, THOSE, UH, TREES OUT OF THE ROADS AND OPEN THOSE BACK UP THERE WERE, THERE WERE SOME HOUSES THAT HAD SOME DAMAGE.
UH, THANKFULLY I DON'T, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYONE WHO WAS DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOME BECAUSE OF, UH, ANY FALLEN TREES AND THERE WAS VEHICLES THAT TREES FELL ON.
AND THEN I BELIEVE, UH, THERE WAS SOME TRAILERS OVERTURNED OVER ON THE DOC PROPERTY.
SO IT WAS DEFINITELY, UH, A SIGNIFICANT WEATHER EVENT THAT CAME UP A SODA OUT OF NOWHERE.
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DID AGREE THAT IT WAS A VERY UNUSUAL TRACK.
THE STORM TOOK, AND IT WAS ALSO TRYING TO, TO MAKE, UM,
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TO MAKE A TURN TO, TO THE WEST, WHICH WAS A VERY UNUSUAL.SO WHETHER THESE DAYS IS SOMETHING WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON.
AND HAVING SAID THAT, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT CITIZENS, UH, PREPARE AND HAVE EMERGENCY KITS AND TO HAVE A SUPPLY OF, OF ITEMS AVAILABLE FOR AT LEAST THREE DAYS TO SUSTAIN FOR THREE DAYS.
THIS UPCOMING WEEKEND IS A VIRGINIA TAX-FREE WEEKEND WHERE CITIZENS CAN BUY, UH, MANY THINGS TAX-FREE, BUT ALSO, UH, THINGS THAT WOULD GO INTO THOSE EMERGENCY KITS.
UH, ANYONE HAS A QUESTION OF WHAT THEY SHOULD BE.
WE HAVE, UM, INFORMATION AVAILABLE, FIRE RESCUE AND THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND FEMA AND SO FORTH.
THE OTHER THING, UH, I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL LAST NIGHT AND, UH, WE HAD, UH, MENTIONED THAT THE ENTIRE RICHMOND REGION, THE HOSPITAL SYSTEMS, THE ENTIRE RICHMOND REGION, UH, HAS BEEN EXTREMELY BUSY FOR THE LAST, UM, LAST 24, 48 HOURS.
UM, BASICALLY, UH, WHAT WHAT HAS OCCURRED IS, IS THAT, UH, THE HOSPITALS IN THE RICHMOND AREA, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THOSE, UH, WE REFER TO THEM IN THE ODESSA REGION, OLDER UNION EMS, UH, ALLIANCE REGION, UH, HAVE GONE ON A CODE BLACK DIVERSION STATUS.
AND WHAT THAT PRETTY MUCH MEANS IS THAT AT LEAST EIGHT OF THOSE HOSPITALS ARE ON FULL DIVERSION.
THEY DON'T HAVE, UH, BEDS OR STAFF OR COMBINATION OF BOTH OR ICU BEDS OR, OR BEDS ON THE FLOOR STEP-DOWN UNITS.
AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS FOR FIRE AND EMS IS, IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE A TRANSPORT, WE HAVE TO CONTACT, UM, A REGIONAL NUMBER THAT EVENTUALLY LINKS US UP WITH, UH, VCU MCV, AND THEY GO INTO A PATIENT DISTRIBUTION MODE AND THEY ACTUALLY GIVE US AN ASSIGNMENT AS TO WHERE WE CAN TAKE THAT PATIENT.
UM, NOW OF COURSE, IF IT'S A CRITICAL PATIENT, UH, WE, THE EMS PROVIDER, THE AMBULANCE, WE ALWAYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OVERRIDE THAT DIVERSION STATUS AND GO TO THE CLOSEST, MOST APPROPRIATE, UH, HOSPITAL.
AND WE CERTAINLY DID THAT ONCE LAST NIGHT, UH, AS WELL, UH, AS FAR AS HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT, UH, YOU KNOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, WHAT I HAVE BEEN SEEING, I THINK, UH, MY COLLEAGUE CHIEF CENTER WOULD PROBABLY AGREE THAT, UM, WE HAVE BEEN SEEING, UH, HOSPITALS REACH A SATURATION POINTS, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY MORE SO THAN NORMAL.
YOU, YOU TEND TO ASSOCIATE HOSPITALS IN THE RICHMOND AREA, ALL BEING ON DIVERSION WITH THE FLU SEASON, OR OF COURSE, SO WE COVID, UH, BUT WE HAVE SEEN THIS, UM, AND WE SEE IT IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS, AND IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO GO INTO AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AND HAVE TO STAY THERE FOR 30 MINUTES, MAYBE UP TO AN HOUR.
IN SOME CASES IT'S BEEN LONGER, UH, WITH THE PATIENT'S STILL ON AIR STRETCHER WHILE WE CONTINUE TO CARE FOR THE PATIENT WHILE THE ER STAFF IS WORKING HARD TO TRY TO FIND A BED.
AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS, UH, AND WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO THE HOSPITAL STAFF AND THOSE FOLKS, THE NURSES, THE DOCTORS WHO WORK IN THE HOSPITAL, BECAUSE WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE STRETCHED VERY THIN.
UH, I'LL ALSO SAY THAT, UH, AND TRYING TO GATHER SOME INFORMATION, UM, AS LASKA, LET THERE HAVE BEEN 109 COVID EMISSIONS OVER THE RICHMOND AREA IN THE LAST FEW DAYS.
UH, AND SO WE THINK THAT COULD, UH, COULD CONTRIBUTE TO SOME OF THE ISSUE, BUT, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE'RE JUST A LEVEL OF ACUITY OF THE PATIENTS THAT WE'RE SEEING AND TRANSPORTING.
UH, SOME MAY THINK THAT IT'S, UH, UH, EFFECT OF COVID OTHERS MAY DISAGREE, UH, BUT THE HOSPITALS HAVE SUPER BUSY AND IT GIVES US CONCERN GOING INTO THE FALL OF THE YEAR WHEN WE KNOW FLU SEASON COMES BACK, AS WELL AS WE'RE HEARING ABOUT COVID.
SO IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I'D BE, UM, BE GLAD TO TRY TO, UM, ANSWER THEM.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE COORDINATION CENTER THERE AT VCU AND MTV COORDINATED, AT LEAST ONE AND 81 PATIENTS THAT WAS EMMA LANCE'S CALLING IN THE LAST 48 HOURS, GIVEN THAT ASSIGNMENT.
AND THERE WERE EIGHT RED PATIENTS IN THOSE RED PATIENTS, WE REFER TO OTHER CRITICAL PATIENTS, AND THEN THERE WERE YELLOW, YELLOW PATIENTS, AND THOSE PATIENTS ARE SERIOUSLY SICK OR SERIOUSLY INJURED, BUT NOT YET CRITICAL.
AND THEN THERE WAS, UM, THERE WERE 32 YELLOW IN 143 GREEN PATIENTS, UH, AND THEY ARE THE STABLE PATIENTS THAT WE WOULD CLASSIFY AS WALKING WOUNDED IF WE WERE DEALING WITH AN MCR OR A BUS ACCIDENT.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE REGION NOW, JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING STARTED, UH, THEY BACKED IT DOWN A NOTCH TO A RED DIVERSION STATUS, WHICH MEANS THERE ARE AT LEAST FIVE MAJOR HOSPITALS STILL ON DIVERSION.
YOU'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ANYMORE.
I CAN PROVIDE WE'RE MEMBERS, WE WILL DO OUR VERY BEST TO TAKE OUR CITIZENS AND OUR PATIENTS TO THE HOSPITAL THAT THEY WANT TO GO TO.
WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY BE A CHAMPION FOR THEM AND BE THEIR ADVOCATE AND MAKE SURE, BUT, UH, THAT THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, KIND OF WORK FOR WORK AROUND THAT'S GOING ON CURRENTLY CHIEF, I WOULD JUST SAY IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE THE REPORT IN THE MINUTES, I WOULD JUST WOULD WANT TO HIGHLIGHT FOR IT.
THANK YOU FOR INVITING US TO THE GRADUATION.
UM, UH, I GUESS IT WAS A WEEK OR TWO AGO.
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NEW CAREER FIREFIGHTER, FIREFIGHTER EMS. UM, IS THAT, IS THAT THE RIGHT NUMBER? YES, SIR.WE, UH, WE, WE GRADUATED, UM, ON THE UPS OF, UH, ALMOST 15, UH, DIFFERENT FIREFIGHTERS IN THE MTS, UH, THAT IT COMPLETED THE BASIC TRAINING ACADEMY.
WE HAVE OUR SEVEN, UM, OUR SEVEN RECRUIT CAREER FIREFIGHTERS THAT MS. RICE IS GOING TO INTRODUCE, UH, HERE SOON.
AND WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE THIS.
AND, UH, WE LIKE TO RECRUIT THE VOLUNTEER MEMBERS AS WELL AS GROWING ORGANIZATION ON THE CAREER SIDE, SO THAT THAT COMBINATION DEPARTMENT CAN WORK TOGETHER TO ANSWER, UM, 9 1 1 CALLS.
IT WAS, IT WAS A SOURCE OF PRIDE, I THINK, FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
I THANK ALL Y'ALL WHO ATTENDED.
I KNOW THOSE WHO COULDN'T HAD SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON.
DID YOU HAVE SOME PROMOTIONS HERE? SOME PEOPLE GOT PROMOTED.
AND YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, YES, SIR.
BATTALION CHIEF, UH, BLAKE MARQUEE HE'S IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, UH, WAS PROMOTED TO BATTALION CHIEF.
UH, WE ALSO HAD A CAPTAIN BRANDON PROPHET IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, PROMOTED TO CAPTAIN ALSO GOING TO LEAD OUR TRAINING, UH, FIRE AND EMS TRAINING DIVISION AND ROBERT FERGUSON.
I DON'T THINK CHRIS IS HERE, WAS PROMOTED TO LIEUTENANT AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THAT.
WHO ALSO MENTIONED THAT, UH, A LADDER TRUCK IS, UH, IS NARROWING DELIVERY.
UH, I BELIEVE WE WILL HAVE IT BY THE SECOND OR THIRD WEEK IN AUGUST IS CERTAINLY WE'LL BE IN RICHMOND BY THEN.
UH, SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO RECEIVING THAT CHIEF WATKINS IS UNABLE TO BE HERE TODAY.
HE'S IN, UH, GROVE CITY, OHIO AT HORTON AMBULANCES INSPECTING TWO BRAND NEW AMBULANCES ON THE, UH, ON THE FLOOR THERE THAT WE'LL BE RECEIVING AS, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'LL BE MUCH NEEDED.
ALL THOSE VEHICLES WILL BE MUCH NEEDED ADDITIONS TO OUR CURRENT FLEET.
SO AT THIS TIME, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, INTRODUCE TO YOU, UH, CHESTERFIELD FIRE AND EMS FIRE CHIEF, UH, LLOYD'S CENTER.
UH, CHIEF CENTER IS, UH, DEFINITELY A SPECIAL FRIEND HER ORGANIZATION.
AND I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT, UM, GOOCHLAND COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF FIRE RISK AND EMERGENCY SERVICES IN CHESTERFIELD FIRE AND EMS HAS A LONG STANDING PARTNERSHIP, UH, OVER THE MANY YEARS.
AND THERE ARE MANY MEMBERS THAT WE BOTH, UH, BOTH ORGANIZATIONS SHARE.
UH, I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, MR. LUMPKINS WHILE IT WAS A SAD TO HAVE TO DO SO, UH, WE WERE HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO GO OVER AND HELP THEM IN THEIR TIME OF NEED WITH A RECRUIT FIREFIGHTER, UH ELDRIDGES UH, PASSING.
UH, SO THAT IS CERTAINLY AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, BUT I'LL ALSO TELL YOU, UH, AN EXAMPLE THAT WE COUNT ON EVERY DAY IN OUR ORGANIZATION IS THE MED FLIGHT HELICOPTER AND CHESTERFIELD FIRE AND EMS. UH, THEY STAFFED THE MID-FLIGHT HELICOPTER AND WE CALL IT OFTEN.
WE CALLED IT YESTERDAY, BUT WE UNFORTUNATELY, UH, CANCELED THE HELICOPTER.
SO, UM, CHIEF CENTER, WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU AND THE ORGANIZATION DOES.
AND I COUNTED UP, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S AT LEAST 10 PEOPLE THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT THAT GO, UH, BETWEEN THOSE ORGANIZATIONS EITHER VOLUNTEER CAREER OR VICE VERSA.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY NICE TO HAVE THAT PARTNERSHIP.
THERE'S BEEN SO MANY THINGS OVER THE YEARS THAT CHESTERFIELD FIRE AND EMS HAS HELPED US WITH AS AN ORGANIZATION.
UH, THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HELP US GROW AND MAKE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO US AND TRAINING.
AND I COULD JUST GO ON AND ON, BUT I'LL ROLL INTO, UH, WHAT'S NEXT ON THE AGENDA.
SO, UH, THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE PERSONNEL THAT BOTH ORGANIZATIONS SHARE, I HAVE A, UM, A SPECIAL PRESENTATION, IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME TO MAKE THIS AFTERNOON, UH, RECOGNIZING ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT IS A CAREER MEMBER, UH, AND CHESTERFIELD FIRE AND EMS, AND, UH, A VOLUNTEER MEMBER HERE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY AND HAS BEEN SINCE HE WAS 16 YEARS OLD.
I THINK IT'S ALSO, I'M FITTING TO, TO MENTION THAT, UH, THIS YOUNG MAN COMES FROM A FAMILY OF VOLUNTEERS AND HIS MOM AND HIS DAD ARE 30 YEAR VOLUNTEERS WITH A COMPANY SIX AND HE FOLLOWED THEIR, UH, THEIR FOOTSTEPS AND HE DID SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL.
AND SO AT THIS TIME, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE, UH, FIREFIGHTER EMT, JARED BROOKS, UP TO THE FRONT AND FIRE CHIEF, UH, LLOYD CENTER, BATTALION CHIEF BRYCE FORD, AND DISTRICT CHIEF.
UH, CHRIS BROOKS, IF I COULD GET YOU GUYS MAYBE TO STAND RIGHT OVER IN THIS AREA HERE.
I ALSO MENTIONED THAT, UH, CHRIS BROOKS IS JARED'S FATHER, UH, AND CHRIS IS ALSO A CAREER BATTALION CHIEF WITH ALBEMARLE COUNTY FIRE AND EMS AND EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF SKILL AND CALIBER OF PEOPLE WE HAVE IN THE ORGANIZATION.
SO LET ME GRAB SOMETHING HERE REAL QUICK.
AND I WANT TO GIVE THIS TO CHIEF BROOKS, UH, JARED.
SO ON WEDNESDAY, THE MARCH THE 10TH, UM, GOOCHLAND COUNTY WAS HAVING A VERY BUSY DAY, A FIRE EMS DEPARTMENT, AND WE HAD RUN ALMOST 20 CALLS THAT DAY.
AND 20 CALLS FOR CHESTERFIELD COUNTY WOULD PROBABLY BE A SLOW DAY, BUT FOR US WITH THE CHIEF CENTERS
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LAUGHING, UM, A 50, 50 MINUTE DRIVE, MAYBE ONE WAY TO A TRAUMA CENTER OR WHATEVER IT CAN, IT TAXES OUR RESOURCES.BUT THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL THING THAT OCCURRED THAT WORKED OUT WITH A CLEAR BENEFIT ON WEDNESDAY EVENING, MARCH THE 10TH AND 9:43 PM, GOOCHLAND COUNTY FIRE RESCUE COMPANIES, SIX, FOUR, AND AMBULANCE SIX 50 RESPONDED TO THE 5,200 BLOCK OF SHANNON HILL ROAD NEAR INTERSTATE 64 FOR VEHICLE OVERTURNED AND ON FIRE UPDATED INFORMATION INFORMED THE RESPONDING UNITS.
THE VEHICLE WAS ACTIVELY ON FIRE, AND THAT WAS A PERSON TRAPPED AT 9:45 PM.
THAT WAS TWO MINUTES LATER, COMPANY, SIX VOLUNTEER, ALSO CHESTERFIELD CAREER FIREFIGHTER EMT, JARED BROOKS INITIATED HIS RESPONSE IN HIS PERSONAL VEHICLE FROM HOME.
AND BECAUSE OF THE UPDATED INFORMATION COMMUNICATED BY THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER, HE ELECTED TO RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THE SCENE INSTEAD OF THE FIRE STATION.
HE ARRIVED ON THE SCENE AND UNDER THREE MINUTES FOUND IN A VEHICLE WITH HEAVY DAMAGE OVERTURNED IN THE DITCH LINE WITH A PATIENT TRAPPED IN THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT AND THE ANTERIOR DASHBOARD HEAVILY INVOLVED IN FIRE.
THE FIRE AND SMOKE WERE IMPINGING ON THE PATIENT AND WITHOUT HESITATION AND WITHOUT HIS NORMAL PERSONAL PROTECTIVE FIREFIGHTER EQUIPMENT ENSEMBLE, FIREFIGHTER EMT BROOKS SPRING INTO ACTION REACHING INSIDE THE VEHICLE, PULLING THE PATIENT FROM UNDERNEATH THE BURNING DASHBOARD TO THE OUTSIDE SAFETY FIREFIGHTER BROOKS RETURNED TO THE BURNING VEHICLE A SECOND TIME CHECKING AND REACHING BACK INSIDE AGAIN FOR OTHER OCCUPANTS AT 9:48 PM.
THREE MINUTES LATER FROM THE TIME FIREFIGHTER BOOKS LEFT RESPONDING FROM HIS HOME, HE COMMUNICATED OVER THE RADIO THAT HE HAD PULLED ONE PATIENT OUT OF THE BURNING VEHICLE AT 9 52 ENGINE 6 61 ARRIVED.
FIRST ON FIRST FIRE UNIT ARRIVED ON THE SCENE FROM COMPANY SIX AND EXTINGUISH THE FIRE AND INITIATED PATIENT CARE.
THE PATIENT WAS AIRLIFTED TO A NEARBY TRAUMA CENTER.
THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THE ACTIONS THAT FIREFIGHTER EMT JARED BROOKS TOOK ON THIS DAY MINIMIZED ADDITIONAL LIFE THREATENING INJURIES TO THE PATIENT, AND DEFINITELY RESULTED IN SAVING A LIFE.
FIREFIGHTER EMT BROOKS DID NOT HAVE HIS FIREFIGHTER PERSONAL PROTECTIVE CLOTHING WITH HIM, WHICH IS NORMALLY KEPT AT THE FIRE STATION AND HE SUSTAINED FIRST AND SECOND DEGREE BURNS ON HIS HANDS AND HE WAS ALSO TREATED AT THE BURN CENTER.
SO AT THIS TIME WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PRESENT FIREFIGHTER JERRY BROOKS WITH A LIFESAVER AWARD.
AND I'LL READ YOU WHAT THAT, UH, AWARD SAYS THE GOODSON COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF FIRE RESCUE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES, FIRE RESCUE LIFESAVER AWARD PRESENTED TO FIREFIGHTER EMT, JARED C BROOKS HAYNESVILLE COMPANY SIX FOR THE SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION OF FIRE AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL PROCEDURES ON MARCH THE 10TH, 2021.
ON THIS DAY, YOU RESPONDED IN YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE TO INCIDENT NUMBER 21 0 3 1 0 0 1 6 FOR A VEHICLE ACCIDENT WITH A PATIENT TRAPPED IN A VEHICLE ON FIRE, WHICH TOOK PLACE ON SHANNON HILL ROAD WITHOUT HESITATION, AND WITHOUT YOUR NORMAL PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AND SAMBAL AVAILABLE, YOU EXTRICATED AND RESCUE THE TRAPPED DRIVER, PULLING THEM FROM THE BURNING VEHICLE TO SAFETY, MINIMIZING THE EXTENT OF SERIOUS INJURIES, YOUR SELFLESS AND COURAGEOUS ACTIONS RESULTED IN THE SAVING OF A LIFE FIREFIGHTER, JERRY BROOKS
SO TO PUT CHIEF CENTER ON THE SPOT, UM, I ALSO WANTED TO RECOGNIZE ALL THE FOLKS WHO CAME OVER TODAY AND JARED'S ENTIRE ENGINE COMPANY FROM STATION SEVEN, THE CLOVER HILL DISTRICT WAS ABLE TO COME OVER AND BE A PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.
I JUST HAD SENT HER, IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE, UH, FEEL FREE TO DO SO.
THANK YOU, CHIEF MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY AND FOR RECOGNIZING JARED FOR THE GOOD WORK THAT HE'S DONE HERE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
AS A CHIEF OF MENTIONED, UH, WE HAVE A LONG LASTING PARTNERSHIP AND WE LOOK FOR THAT TO GROW IN THE FUTURE.
AND WE HAVE MANY OF OUR MEMBERS THAT ARE RESIDENTS OF GOOCHLAND AND PARTICIPATE HERE IN THE FIRE AND RESCUE SYSTEM.
SO WE'RE VERY PROUD TO BE PARTNERS WITH THIS GREAT COMMUNITY.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR RECOGNIZING OUR MEMBERS.
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OKAY.AND, UH, WELL, I ALWAYS LIKE TO END BY THANKING YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED TO SPORT, TO HAVE THE PERSONNEL AND VOLUNTEER AND CAREER PERSONNEL AND THE EQUIPMENT TO DO OUR JOBS SAFELY AND PROVIDE THE BEST SERVICE WE CAN TO OUR CITIZENS.
UH, YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE CHESTERFIELD FOLKS WHO JOINED US.
UH, WE APPRECIATE IT ALL THAT YOU ALL DO FOR OUR REGION AND OUR COMMUNITY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BEEN BUSY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. WIND.
WE'LL GET BACK ON TRACK HERE WITH THE V DOC REPORT.
WHAT IS THAT? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EXCITING.
[1. 4099: VDOT - July 2021]
MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, MARSHALL WIN WITH V DOT.UM, THIS PAST MONTH WE HAD 87 WORK ORDERS.
WE COMPLETED 129, HAD 12 AFTER OUR CALLS, UH, COMPLETED OUR SECOND CYCLE OF PRIMARY MO EARLY IN JULY, AND JUST COMPLETED THE SECONDARY MOST CYCLE, THE FIRST MOST CYCLE FOR THIS YEAR, PROBABLY PLANNING ON, UH, CUTTING THE PRIMARIES AGAIN BEFORE LABOR DAY.
SO THAT THAT'S UPCOMING TOWARD, YOU KNOW, TOWARD THE END OF THE MONTH.
UM, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION CAPE SEAL SCHEDULE, UH, THE, THE MODIFIED SEAL WORK IS ONGOING.
IT STARTED YESTERDAY AND, UH, YOU'LL SEE CONTRACTOR IN THERE WORKING, IT'LL BE WHITEHURST CONTRACTOR, THERE'LL BE IN LEHIGH HIGH, GROW FORD SUBDIVISION, COURTHOUSE, COMMONS, SHELTON RIDGE.
UM, I TALKED TO THE CM THIS MORNING AND HE SAID THEY SHOULD'VE FINISHED ALL THE MODIFIED SEAL BY NEXT WEEK.
AND ONCE THAT'S DONE, IT'LL CURE A FULL PERIOD OF TIME, THEN HE'LL VACUUM SWEEP IT AND THEN PUT THE SLURRY SEAL ON IT.
AND THAT'LL END THE PROJECT FOR THAT, FOR THAT SCHEDULE.
UM, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT SIX 50, IRONICALLY, WE HAVE SIX 50 RIVER ROAD ON OUR PAYMENT SCHEDULE AND THAT'S RIGHT IN THE AREA WHERE THE SEWER LINE BROKE.
UM, THEY STARTED MILLING THAT EARLY MONDAY AND THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED.
THEY SUPPOSED TO START PAVING TOMORROW NIGHT ON RIVER ROAD.
AND, UH, ONCE THEY COMPLETE THAT, THEY'LL PUT THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS AND EVERYTHING BACK.
I TALKED TO MS. HUNTER ABOUT THAT EARLIER.
SO SHE GAVE ME SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE SCHEDULE AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, DEQ AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED IS DOING OUT THERE.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
I KNOW WE HAD ONE SPEED STUDY, UH, ON THE, ON THE, UH, REPORT OAKLAND CHURCH ROAD SIGNS HADN'T BEEN PUT UP YET, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, CONVERTED TO A 40 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT THROUGH THAT AREA.
HALF OF THE ROAD IS IN GOOCHLAND.
THE OTHER HALF IS IN LOUISA, AND WE ALREADY GOT CONCURRENCE FROM LOUISA.
ONCE WE GET OUR SIGNS, WE WILL WORK WITH LOUISA COUNTY TO MAKE THAT WHOLE ROAD 40 MILES AN HOUR, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT RESTRICTED AT ALL.
OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I SEE YOU HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS WITH YOU, SO THAT BOARD, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET EVERYTHING COVERED.
DO YOU HAVE ON VIETA? UM, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU, MR. ONE.
SO LAST YEAR WE HAD, UH, 5 22 W WHICH MS. WHITE REFERENCED, AND THEY DID REDUCE THE SPEED.
I THINK AT THAT TIME I LOOKED AT THE POTENTIAL FOR, FOR THOSE, THE RUMBLE STRIPS OR THE PUMPS STRIPS LIKE, UH, WITH MS. WHITE, UH, MENTIONED.
CAN YOU REMIND ME, UM, WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT WAS? WELL, WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION ACTUALLY TODAY WITH TRAFFIC ENGINEERING AND, UH, OR DME AT THE DISTRICT, UM, TO LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER, UM, IT'S RECOMMENDED FOR ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, MILLED AND OVERLAID, AND THEN A RUMBLE STRIP WILL BE PUT DOWN THE MIDDLE.
AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
WE HAVE RUMBLE STRIPS IN LOUISA.
WE HAVE HIM IN NEIGHBORING COUNTIES AND FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON, WHICH I DON'T KNOW ABOUT RICHMOND DISTRICT, HADN'T DONE ANY OF THAT, BUT WE'RE DIGGING INTO IT RIGHT NOW.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GRIEVING INTO IT.
UH, AND I'LL JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
MS. WHITE ALSO DID MENTION FAIRGROUND ROAD, AS WE ALL KNOW, IS, HAS BEEN AN ISSUE AS WELL.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH ROADS.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE,
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MOSTLY PRIMARIES RIGHT NOW.TWO LANE PRIMARIES NOT DIVIDED.
SO, I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE WHEN WE PAVED ALL THE FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, UH, TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE, BUT IT WASN'T AVAILABLE BACK WHEN WE, UH, DID PAY THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR.
AND IF YOU DON'T MIND AS A FOLLOW-UP, BUT IF THEY CAN BE ADDED AFTERWARDS, IT'S EASIER TO DO IT WHEN YOU'RE PAVING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THE ULTIMATE TIME TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK IS RIGHT AFTER YOUR PAVEMENT IS FRESH ASPHALT.
THEY CAN PUT THE CENTER LINE RUMBLES IN AND THEN PUT THE MAIN PAYMENT MARKET IN RIGHT OVER TOP OF THE CENTER LINE RUMBLES.
CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THE PAVEMENT MARKING DOWN AND THEN GRIND IT OFF AND THEN HAVE TO PAINT IT AGAIN.
WELL THEN JUST, JUST REPAVE FAIRGROUNDS ROAD COST $1.2 MILLION.
I APPRECIATE YOU KEEP, UH, KEEP US INFORMED ON THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? AND AS YOU HEARD MY CHAIR COMMENTS, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE DOWN THERE.
I GUESS I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, BUT I LEARNED THAT, I GUESS IT'S GOING TO DELAY THE WORK ON THE ROAD THERE, RIGHT? NO, NO, IT, IT IT'S IRONIC THE WAY IT HAPPENED BECAUSE THEY JUST STARTED THE MILL PROCESS DIDN'T BOTHER ANYTHING CAUSE THEY, THEY WEREN'T IN THE ROAD OVERNIGHT CAUSE THEY DID, THEY'RE DOING THE MILL AND AT NIGHT THEY WERE ACTUALLY WORKING DURING THE DAY UNDER A FLAGGING OPERATION.
AND THE CONTRACTOR COMA MAINTENANCE MANAGER, RICKY, HE SAID WHAT'S GOING ON OUT HERE.
SO, SO WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO GET SOME INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH SO WE COULD COORDINATE EVERYTHING.
MISS, UH, MS. RICE, UH, NEW COUNTY STAFF, GOOD AFTERNOON, JESSICA RICE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN
[3. 4101: Introduction of New County Staff]
RESOURCES.UM, ON BEHALF OF COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, I AM PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE ACTUALLY HIRED 18 EMPLOYEES IN THE MONTH OF JULY.
IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST RECRUITING MONTHS THAT WE'VE EVER HAD HERE.
UM, AND BEFORE I GET INTO WHO ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THE STAFF THAT ARE HERE THAT HELPED IN THAT PROCESS, MY STAFF, UM, AND THE LEADERS HERE HELPING WITH ALL THE INTERVIEWS AND THE RECRUITING EFFORTS.
UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT MONTH FOR US.
SO ALL OF THESE EMPLOYEES ARE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
UM, THEY'RE IN VIRGINIA COOPERATIVE EXTENSION, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, TREASURER'S OFFICE GENERAL SERVICES, PARKS AND REC FIRE AND RESCUE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND THE FINANCE DEPARTMENTS.
UM, TO START OFF, I DO HAVE NICOLE SHOEMAN HERE FROM THE VIRGINIA COOPERATIVE EXTENSION.
I'M GOING TO LET HER INTRODUCE THEIR NEW EMPLOYEE FIRST BEFORE I GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE LIST.
UM, THANKS FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
I WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL, UH, MS. KAYLA WALKER, WHO IS OUR NEW FOUR H YOUTH DEVELOPMENT EXTENSION AGENTS.
WE'VE BEEN WITHOUT A FOUR H AGENT IN THE OFFICE FOR ROUGHLY TWO YEARS NOW.
SO, UM, IT SHE'S BEEN A MUCH NEEDED HIRE.
UH, SHE COMES TO US FROM SOME PREVIOUS WORK IN THE ARLINGTON OFFICE AND THE LOUISA OFFICE AND SHE IS A GRADUATE OF FERRUM COLLEGE.
SO WE'RE JUST VERY EXCITED TO HAVE HER SHE'S BACK FRESH THIS WEEK FROM A FOUR H CAMP.
SO WE REALLY, WE HIRED HER ON AS SHE STARTED TO WORK ON JUNE 25TH AND WE THREW HER INTO THE FIRE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AND SHE'S DONE WONDERFULLY.
SO OVER IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UM, WE DID HAVE A NEW DEPUTY HIRED DEPUTY PETER PARODIES.
UM, HE IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ACADEMY AND HE'LL BE INTRODUCED IN PERSON BY THE SHERIFF AT A LATER DATE.
AND ADDITIONALLY WILLIAM NORMAN JOINED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS A COURT SPECIALIST TO FILL THE VACANCY DUE TO A PROMOTION IN JUNE.
THERE WAS A RETIREMENT IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND WE HAVE JOINING US LAISHA JONES.
UM, SHE'S DEPUTY TREASURER ONE AND SHE'S A GRADUATE OF J SERGEANT REYNOLDS COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND WAS A CUSTOMER SERVICE, UM, LEADER OVER AT CHILDFUND INTERNATIONAL IN GENERAL SERVICES.
WE HAVE A NEW, UM, CUSTODIAL STAFF.
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HER NAME IS MS. TINA TATE.SHE BEGAN EMPLOYMENT THIS PAST MONTH AND ALSO MR. MILES HAWK BEGAN EMPLOYMENT AT THE CONVENIENCE CENTER AS AN ATTENDANT, ONE IN PARKS AND REC.
WE DID HAVE THREE NEW EMPLOYEES AT THIS PAST MONTH.
TWO OF THEM WERE PART-TIME RECORDS.
ONE WAS A PART-TIME REC ASSISTANT.
SO ISABEL CLUNE AND SUSANNA ANDERSON, UM, ARE BOTH SERVING AS SUMMER CAMP STAFF TO FINISH OUT OUR SUMMER FOR US IN MS. STEELE, HEIDINGER JOINED AS A REC ASSISTANT OVER IN PARKS AND RECREATION DURING MAY AND JUNE OF THIS YEAR, THE FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT CONDUCTED THEIR ANNUAL RECRUITMENT.
UM, FOR FIREFIGHTERS, WE DID HAVE SEVEN POSITIONS APPROVED IN THE
UM, WE DID RECRUIT SEVEN FIREFIGHTERS.
I BELIEVE SIX OF THEM ARE IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW AND HAVE JOINED US.
THE OTHER ONE IS OUT ON PATERNITY LEAVE.
UM, SO IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, I HAVE JUAN BEHIND US, ZACHARY COUSINS, CAMERON MITCHELL, JACOB MARTIN, KEVIN JUUL, KYLE MCGUINNESS, AND ROBERT BRESCHEL.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE STILL IN TRAINING RIGHT NOW.
AND EDDIE IS, UM, PUTTING THEM THROUGH THE TEST AS WE SPEAK.
DUE TO AN INTERNAL PROMOTION, MR. RAYMOND CASH HAS JOINED THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
AS OF YESTERDAY, AS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
HE ACTUALLY HOLDS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION AND WORKED FOR CHESTERFIELD COUNTY FOR ABOUT THE PAST 18 YEARS.
UM, MOST RECENTLY THE POSITION HE HELD WAS ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR CHESTERFIELD COUNTY AND HE WAS IN THAT ROLE FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.
SO THERE'S MR. CASH AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UM, DUE TO ANOTHER INTERNAL PROMOTION, MS. MARIANA TWIZ DEAL ALSO JOINED OUR TEAM YESTERDAY.
SHE IS THE NEW DIRECTOR OF FINANCIAL SERVICES, UM, AND COMES TO US WITH OVER 15 YEARS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE IN DIFFERENT FINANCIAL POSITIONS WAS A BUSINESS MANAGER FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, SERVED AS A PREVIOUS DIRECTOR OF FINANCE OVER IN FLUVANNA COUNTY HAS WITH BUDGET, UM, WITH ALL OF THE FINANCIAL THINGS THAT WE WOULD NEED.
AND WE WELCOME HER TO THE TEAM AS WELL.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS INFORMATION ONLY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY, UH, PAGE, UH, WHAT IS IT? 56 OF
[4. 4083: Planning and Development Activity]
OUR PACKET.THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS ON THERE.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ON THOSE ITEMS, WE HAVE THE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE REPORT, AGAIN, AN INFORMATION ITEM
[5. 4102: Accounts Payable]
AND OUR DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR OF FINANCE WILL BE READY TO FEEL THOSE THINGS.RIGHT? SO NO QUESTIONS ON THAT, THEN WE'LL GO TO BOARD REPORTS.
UH, THIS IS JUST THE TIME WHERE WE WILL HEAR FROM BOARD MEMBERS, IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT FROM OTHER, UH, COMMITTEES THAT THEY SERVE ON OR ANYTHING OF
[6. Board Reports]
NOTE, TOO, THAT THEY WISH TO BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION.WE'LL START WITH MS. LASKA, LET YOU HAVE ANYTHING FROM US, OUR TPO.
SO, UM, MEMBERS OF THE RICHMOND REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION, UH, ORGANIZATION ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AND HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT HOW MONEY FLOWS TO THE LOCALITIES.
NOW THAT WE HAVE THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA TAXING AUTHORITY IS V DOT GOING TO BE PULLING BACK MONEY.
AND WE KNOW THAT THE HIGHWAY TRUST FUND, UM, HAS REDUCED REVENUES, STATE FUNDS HAVE BEEN REDUCED.
SO WE, UH, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH NICK DONNA, HUGH DONAHOE, WHO IS THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION IN VIRGINIA.
AND HE WILL BE SPEAKING, ACTUALLY DRAW MEETING ON THURSDAY.
UM, AND HE UNEQUIVOCALLY SAYS THAT V DOT WILL NOT, HAS NOT, AND WILL NOT REDUCE THEIR FUNDS TO THE LOCALITIES ARE ALSO PART OF CENTRAL VIRGINIA TAXING AUTHORITY.
NOW, AS CENTRAL VIRGINIA TAXING AUTHORITY CONTINUES TO GET UP AND RUNNING, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW, UH, HOW ALL THIS IS REALLY GOING TO WORK, BUT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN PRETTY RELIEVED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THEY
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WILL NOT BE CUTTING BACK FUNDS, UH, CAUSE ALL LOCALITIES ACTUALLY NEED MORE FUNDS, NOT LESS FUNDS.UH, THE SECOND THING IS, IS, UM, THE LONG RANGE PLANNING, UH, THE 40 YEAR 2045 PLAN CONNECT RVA 2045 IS IN ITS THIRD, A LEVEL OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND CHAD PARSONS WILL BE HERE A LITTLE BIT LATER TO DO THIS, UH, REPORT FROM PLAN RVA ABOUT HOW OUR CITIZENS CAN REVIEW AND COMMENT ON THESE PLANS.
THERE ARE 268 REGIONAL PROJECTS ON THE LIST.
GOOCHLAND COUNTY HAS 18, ONE OR TWO ARE COMBINED WITH LIKE POWELTOWN OR ANOTHER COUNTY.
UH, BUT THERE ARE 18 PROJECTS.
THEY MOSTLY REVOLVE AROUND THE INTERSTATES, UM, AND INTERCHANGES TO THE OTHER STATES, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER PROJECTS THAT OUR CITIZENS MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN.
SO, UH, WHEN MR. PARSONS GETS HERE, HE'S GOING TO HELP US, UH, UNDERSTAND THERE HE IS, UH, IS HERE, RIGHT? SORRY, UH, HOW WE CAN DO THAT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK OUR CITIZENS MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN, UH, THAT IS MY REPORT AT THIS POINT.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE? UH, MR. SPOON, OUR JUST REALLY QUICKLY, IT'S KIND OF QUIET RIGHT NOW WITH SOME SUMMERS, A LOT OF MEETINGS GETTING CANCELED, RIGHT.
UM, BUT WE DID HAVE A GREAT MEETING WITH, UH, GRTC MYSELF AND SOME OF THE STAFF TO TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROGRAMS, UM, THAT WE MAY NOT BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, UH, 15% OF THE REVENUES OF OUR CITIZENS FOR THESE NEW TAXES GO TO GRTC, BUT WE DON'T RECEIVE ANY OF THE SERVICES.
SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TO SEE HOW WE CAN HELP THEM.
THEY'RE ALSO STARTING A MICRO STUDY, UH, FOR A REGIONAL PLAN TO REACH OUT TO THE RURAL LOCATIONS.
SO WE ARE VERY ENGAGED IN THAT AS WELL.
UM, ALSO THAT WE'VE KICKED OFF THE WORK FOR THE PERSONNEL COMMITTEE TO, UM, UNDERSTAND, TO COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BOARD ON HOW THE CBTA SHOULD BE SET UP FROM AN ORGANIZATIONAL PERSPECTIVE.
AND I'VE BEEN HONORED TO CHAIR THAT, UM, THAT EFFORT.
THANK YOU, MR. SPOON, ANYTHING ON THIS END, MR. CHAIR? UM, EXCUSE ME.
THE, UH, FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, ARE MET JUST PRIOR TO THIS MEETING AND WE HAD A FAIRLY FULL AGENDA.
UH, IT'S BEEN A VERY BUSY TIME FOR OUR FINANCES.
UM, FIRST THING WE DID WAS WE KICKED OFF THE AUDIT DAY OF FISCAL YEAR 2021 WAS COMPLETED ON JUNE 30TH AND THE AUDIT IS DUE BY THE END OF NOVEMBER.
SO WE'VE KICKED OFF THE, THE AUDIT OF THOSE RESULTS.
OF COURSE, WE'RE IN FISCAL 22 RIGHT NOW.
AND BEFORE LONG WE'LL BE STARTING FISCAL 23 BUDGETING.
WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE, UH, FOURTH QUARTER PROJECTION REPORT.
THREE PROJECTIONS ARE RE FORECAST FOR FY 21, AND THERE'LL BE A PRESENTATION TO THIS GROUP A LITTLE LATER ON TODAY ABOUT THAT, UH, FISCAL 21 YEAR END, UH, WITH SOME ASSIGNMENTS TO COME WITH THAT.
AND THEN WE ALSO DISCUSSED, UH, THE FISCAL 22, UH, BUDGET.
THERE'LL BE SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATIONS THAT WILL NEED TO BE MADE FOR THE FISCAL 22 BUDGET.
AND THAT WILL BE PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING.
UM, W W THERE'LL BE MORE ON THAT PRESENTATION TO THIS BOARD, UH, LATER ON.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A BOND REFERENDUM COMING UP IN NOVEMBER AND WE DISCUSSED, UH, AN UPDATE ON THE PROCESS, UH, TO GET TO THAT REFERENDUM.
AND THE ANSWER IS THE REFERENDUM IS ON TRACK AND I BELIEVE THERE'LL BE A PRESENTATION ON THAT AS WELL TO THIS GROUP.
UM, AND THE LAST THING WAS WE WERE PREPARING FOR A TO GO BEFORE THE RATING AGENCIES, WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE IN MID SEPTEMBER AND, UM, PREPARATIONS CONTINUE, UH, ON THAT MEETING.
AND, UH, UH, SO WE SHOULD BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE WHEN WE DO MEET WITH THE CREDIT AGENCIES AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
SO YOU'LL BACK THE REST OF MY TIME.
WE WILL WRAP UP BOARD REPORTS AND ROLL INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, ROMAN NUMERAL NINE ON OUR AGENDA.
[IX. Consent Agenda]
THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO DEFER NUMBER, NUMBER FOUR, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE APPROVAL OF THE AND POWELTON, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICES, UH, CONTRACT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.SO WE'LL SEE THAT COME UP NEXT MONTH.
WE JUST NEED A LITTLE MORE DATA ON THAT ONE.
UH, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NUMBERS 1, 2, 3, AND FIVE BEFORE US.
AND SO A SUMMARY OF THOSE IS AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE VIRGINIA OPIOID OPIOID ABATEMENT FUND AND SETTLEMENT ALLOCATION MOU.
THIS STEMS FROM A NUMBER OF LAWSUITS ACROSS THE COUNTRY BY STATES AND LOCALITIES AGAINST THE MANUFACTURERS AND DISTRIBUTORS OF OPIOIDS, OPIOIDS,
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EXCUSE ME, IN ORDER TO BRING SOME OF THESE ACTIONS TO A RESOLUTION, THE VIRGINIA ATTORNEY GENERAL IS LOOKING FOR LOCALITIES TO APPROVE THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.IT ESTABLISHES THAT MEMORANDUM ESTABLISHES A NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE AND A FORMULA FOR ALLOCATION OF ANY PROCEEDS.
UM, UNDER THE PROPOSED MOU, THE BULK OF ANY FUNDS RECOVERED WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OPIOID ABATEMENT PROGRAMS PROVIDED BY LOCALITIES, THE STATE OR REGIONAL PARTNERS.
UM, THE SECOND ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH G L HOWARD INC FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE HICKORY HAVEN AND SAN MARIE FOREST SEWER SYSTEM.
THE BOARD IS REQUESTED TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CONTRACTOR, JUST UNDER 1.5 MILLION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM IN THE NAMED COMMUNITIES.
AND IT HAS A $200,000 CONTINGENCY IN THE CONTRACT UP TO A, TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND CONTINGENCY.
THE PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN THE UTILITIES, UH, CIP BUDGET.
UH, THE SYSTEM WILL PROVIDE SERVICE TO APPROXIMATELY 55 EXISTING HOMES.
IN ADDITION TO CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED LOTS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED BY OCTOBER 31ST, 2022 ITEM THREE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, EXECUTE, EXECUTE A LEASE AMENDMENT WITH GOOCHLAND FAMILY PRACTICE.
THIS ITEM IS, UH, PERTAINS TO, I DON'T HAVE THE PROPERTY ADDRESS, BUT IT'S IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE.
IT'S A BUILDING IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE THAT THE COUNTY HAS ACQUIRED IN THE LAST YEARS.
BANE, UH, HAS AS RETIRING A LITTLE BIT UNEXPECTED, UH, EARLIER THAN PLANNED.
HE'S RETIRING ON JUNE 30TH AND THERE'S, UH, NO DOCTOR HAS BEEN SECURED TO TAKE HIS PLACE.
BANK'S PRACTICE HAS REQUESTED AN EARLY TERMINATION OF THE LEASE.
UM, THIS AMENDMENT JUST CHANGES THE LEASE TERM TO END ON AUGUST 31ST VERSUS NEXT MARCH.
AND NUMBER FIVE, UH, THERE'S A HUMAN RESOURCES POLICY AMENDMENT ON OVERTIME AND CON COMPENSATORY LEAVE.
THIS POLICY CHANGE WILL BRING THE COUNTY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW VIRGINIA OVERTIME WAGE ACT, WHICH TOOK EFFECT LAST THE BEGINNING OF LAST MONTH.
UM, NO EMPLOYEES EXCEPT UNIFORM FIREFIGHTERS OR SWORN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MAY RECEIVE COMPENSATORY TIME IN LIEU OF BEING PAID OVERTIME WAGES.
SO WE'RE BRINGING OUR POLICY AND TO ACCORD WITH NEW STATE LAW, ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE ITEMS? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. 1, 2, 3, AND FIVE.
ANY DISCUSSION MS. MCGEE ON A NUMBER ONE, CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE ON, ON ITEM ONE ON THAT'S? UM, YEAH, NO, I DIDN'T.
I DIDN'T ASK YOU BEFOREHAND ON THAT.
SORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT JUST, IF YOU CAN PUT A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT TO WHAT WE'RE APPROVING THERE, IT'S, WE'RE JUST PARTICIPATING IN, IN, I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE'RE ALONG FOR THE RIDE.
I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T ROLLED, BUT, BUT MORE OR LESS, UM, IN JANUARY OF 2020 AT THE POINT IN TIME THAT THE LARGE FEDERAL MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL LAWSUIT INVOLVING OPIOID MANUFACTURERS DISTRIBUTORS, AND THAT INDUSTRY WAS LOOKING TO FORCE LOCALITIES INTO THAT LAWSUIT.
UM, I REQUESTED AND RECEIVED PERMISSION FROM THIS BOARD TO INSTEAD, UM, HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL IN VIRGINIA, UH, COMPETENT OUTSIDE COUNSEL FROM KAUFMAN.
AND CANOLES, THAT WAS ALREADY TODAY IS REPRESENTING APPROXIMATELY 50 LOCALITIES IN VIRGINIA IN LAWSUITS AGAINST THOSE SAME DEFENDANTS.
UM, BUT BY JOINING THAT GROUP AND HIRING THAT COUNCIL, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE TRUSTED, UH, REPRESENTATION AND FOLLOW ALONG ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITHOUT A GREAT DEAL OF RESOURCE, UM, FROM MY OFFICE OR FROM ME PERSONALLY, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY ENGAGED WITH THE VIRGINIA AG, UH, TO COME TO THIS MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AS WELL AS IN THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED THIS YEAR, CREATING THE VIRGINIA OPIOID ABATEMENT FUND.
AND IN FACT, IN THE MOU THAT YOU ARE APPROVING, UM, THAT I'M ASKING YOU TO PROVE THERE'S ONLY THREE MEMBERS OF A NEGOTIATING TEAM FOR WINDING UP THESE SETTLEMENTS, HOPEFULLY SETTLEMENTS.
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THAT'S HOW THINGS ARE LOOKING.ONE OF WHOM IS THE ATTORNEY, IN FACT, FROM KAUFMAN AND CANOLA IT'S FIVE THAT, UM, THAT WE CHOSE TO HIRE AS OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
SO WHAT IS ALLOWED US TO DO IS SIMPLY TO ALLOW GOOCHLAND TO BE A PART OF, UM, THE SOLUTION FOR SOME OF THOSE OPIOID ABATEMENT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES, UH, WITHOUT A GREAT DEAL OF, OF RESOURCES ON OUR BEHALF.
AND I THINK WE'VE DONE WELL, UH, TO BE WITH, UH, WHO WE ARE, THIS MOU IS BEING OFFERED, NOT ONLY TO THE 50 LOCALITIES THAT OUR ATTORNEYS REPRESENT.
UM, BUT ALSO EVERY LOCALITY IN VIRGINIA WILL BE ASKED TO COOPERATE WITH THE AIG, SO THAT AS MONEY FLOWS AGAIN TO THE STATE, IN SOME INSTANCES, UM, IT CAN THEN FILTER DOWN TO LOCALITIES, TO ABATEMENT PROGRAMS, UM, THROUGH THIS MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND BE USED TO BENEFIT OUR RESIDENTS WHO, UM, STRUGGLED, UH, WITH SITUATIONS WITH THIS CRISIS AND PERHAPS WITH CONTINUING OPIOID, UM, UM, ADDICTIONS.
SO THAT'S THE REQUEST BEFORE THE BOARD TO APPROVE THE MOU.
AND THERE'S A TABLE AT THE END OF THE AGREEMENT THAT HAS SOME PERCENTAGES, I THINK, YEAH, THERE, THERE IS THAT THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY A NUMBER OF LOCALITIES, YOU KNOW, AS A PART OF VIRGINIA, THEY HIRED A UVA EXPERT ECONOMICS EXPERT TO DETERMINE WHAT PERCENTAGE EACH LOCALITY WOULD GET OF ANY SETTLEMENT THAT CAME TO THE STATE.
AND IT WAS BASED ON OPIOID SPECIFIC FACTS, ER, VISITS, DEATHS, AND ONE OTHER THAT ESCAPES MY MIND AT THE MOMENT.
BUT BASED ON THAT, YOU KNOW, GOOCHLAND TO THE BENEFIT THAT WE HAVE A RELATIVELY SMALL PERCENTAGE ACROSS THE STATE OF THOSE, UH, THAT DATA, BUT THAT'S WHAT DRIVES THE AMOUNT, UM, THAT WE WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR.
IF YOU'RE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW WE ALIGN UP WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS, PAGE 81 OF OUR PACKET.
IF THERE'S, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? OH, THANK YOU, MR. MCGEE, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
SO WE WILL ROLL INTO NEW BUSINESS NOW.
THE, WE ENDED THE AGENDA AT THE BEGINNING
[X. New Business]
TO HAVE A NEW NEW BUSINESS ITEM.ONE IS A RESOLUTION APPOINTING INTERIM COUNTY ED ADMINISTRATOR IN FRONT OF ME, AS WE KNOW THE POSITION OF COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BECAME VACANT, UH, UPON, UH, MR. YOUNG'S RESIGNATION LAST MONTH ON JULY 6TH.
AND, UH, WE HAVE BEGAN A SEARCH FOR AN INTERIM AND, UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL PERSONS REACH OUT AND EXPRESS AN INTEREST IN HELPING US IN DIFFERENT LEVELS.
AND WE ARE DELIGHTED TO HAVE THE CANDIDATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON TODAY, WHO, UM, IS KNOWS THE COUNTY WELL AS WORKED, BEEN IN THE COUNTY FOR AT LEAST 17 YEARS, VERY INVOLVED IN THE COUNTY AND MANY DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES.
AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION AND INTRODUCE OUR INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR CANDIDATE WHO IS HERE TODAY.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, HEREBY POINTS, MANUEL ALVAREZ, JR.
TO SERVE AS OF AUGUST 9TH, 2021 IS THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND CLERK TO THE BOARD UPON THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE BOARD AND THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
UM, ONCE APPROVED IS VESTED WITH AN MA EXERCISE.
ALL THE POWERS AND DUTIES SET FORTH IN STATE LAWN IS DIRECTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
YOU WANT TO COME, JUST COME FORWARD.
WE'LL TAKE A ON AND WE'LL TAKE A VOTE THOUGH.
I'LL MAKE THEM STAND THERE WHILE WE HOPE SO BOARD MEMBERS, UH, THERE'S A MOTION IN A SECOND.
UH, LET'S GO THROUGH ROLL CALL VOTE.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I WAS LOOKING FOR.
UM, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TEMPTING AT ALL, EXCEPT FOR YOU GUYS STILL ON THIS BOARD.
THIS COUNTY HAS BEEN VERY GOOD TO ME AND I'M NOT FINISHED AND I'M WELL RESTED.
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AND I THINK I CAN COME IN AND, AND HELP AS ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, BARBARA AND JOANNE.AND I KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO UM, IT'S A LITTLE DAUNTING TO THINK ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK I'LL BE ABLE TO COME IN AND WITH MY LEADERSHIP SKILLS, UM, KEEP US ROLLING A STRESS ISSUE, NOT A TRANSFORMATION.
SO I THINK, UM, I'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE YOU PROUD OF YOUR DECISION AND HOPEFULLY, UM, BE ABLE TO ROLL RIGHT INTO THE NEXT ADMINISTRATOR AND KEEP KOSHLAND GOING.
KIND OF LIKE A, LIKE A RUNNER IN A RELAY, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE HERE AND, UH, YOU NEED YOUR SPRINTER AT THE END TO COME IN AND TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TRUST IN ME.
UM, AND I'LL PROMISE YOU HONEST FEEDBACK ON, ON WHATEVER I SEE AND, AND TO DO THE BEST I CAN.
AND YOU'LL START NEXT, NEXT MONDAY.
UM, WE DID HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS CAN TELL A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE REGION THINK A LOT OF GOOCHLAND AND LOOK FOR DIFFERENT WAYS TO HELP.
SO I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SUPPORT, UM, NOT ONLY IN THE COUNTY, BUT OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR HELPING US WITH THIS TRANSITION.
UM, NEXT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEW BUSINESS, PERHAPS FOR HOW LONG, HOW LONG DID YOU WAIT? HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU'LL BE? OKAY.
HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU'LL BE? OH, UM, NOT LONG.
WELL, YEAH, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MANY QUESTIONS JOHN, DID YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK? WHAT I WAS THINKING WHAT I'M GOING TO DO AFTER THIS? NO, GO AHEAD.
BUT MR. MR. PARSONS, IF YOU'LL BE READY TO COME UP NEXT ON, UM, I WAS, I WAS WILLING TO ARRANGE THIS A LITTLE BIT, SO LET'S LET US TAKE CARE OF THIS BUSINESS.
AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, YOU'LL GET TO COME TAKE A BREAK AND COME BACK UP ON THE NEXT ITEM AFTER WE HEAR FROM MR. PARSONS.
SO WE'RE HERE ON THE YEAR-END FUND BALANCE PROJECTION AND FUND BALANCE ASSESSMENTS.
[1. 4076: FY2021 Year End Fund Balance Projection and Fund Balance Assignments]
MR. BARBARA HORLOCKER, UM, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.SO, UH, TODAY WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT SINS AND THE END OF THE YEAR FUND BALANCE ASSIGNMENTS.
UM, THE, THESE ARE JUST PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES.
UM, WE WILL HAVE FINAL NUMBERS IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER TIMEFRAME.
THE, UM, TOTAL REVENUES ARE ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT $64.7 MILLION, UM, WHICH WOULD EXCEED THE BUDGET BY ABOUT $5.5 MILLION AND REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY CONTRIBUTED THE, THE MOST TO THE INCREASE OVER BUDGET.
UM, THE EXPENDITURES ARE EXPECTED TO BE ABOUT 3.1 MILLION BELOW BUDGET, UM, OR ABOUT 56.5 MILLION.
SO THE RESULT OF, OF 5 MILLION OVER BUDGET AND 3 MILLION BELOW BUDGET, UM, REVENUES VERSUS EXPENDITURES IS AN OPERATING SERVICE SURPLUS OF ABOUT 8 MILLION.
UM, ONCE WE HAVE, UH, DONE SOME PAYGO PAY, AS YOU GO, UM, PROJECTS IN THE CIP, UM, WHICH ARE ABOUT 7 MILLION, THEN THE TOTAL FUND BALANCE OVERALL WOULD INCREASE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS TO ABOUT 39 MILLION.
SO WE ENDED LAST YEAR AT ABOUT 38, WELL AND FYI 21 AT ABOUT 39.
UM, AND SO, UM, WHERE WILL WE END OUT IN TERMS OF OUR POLICIES, OUR DEBT X TWO, UH, EXPENDITURES AS A PERCENT OF GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES IS ABOUT 3%, WHICH IS WELL BELOW OUR TARGET OF 10%.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, IF YOU KEEP THE UNASSIGN EQUAL TO THE FY 20 ON ASSIGNED AMOUNT, UM, IT WOULD BE AT ABOUT 27.5%, WHICH TWO AND A HALF PERCENT ABOVE OUR TARGET.
AND AGAIN, THIS NUMBER CAN BE ADJUSTED BY THE OCTOBER TIMEFRAME.
THIS IS JUST WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW TODAY.
UM, THE REBEL IS THE REVENUE STABILIZATION FUND WILL BE ADJUSTED TO 3% OF THE
AND THE RESERVE FOR FUTURE DEBT HAS INCREASED BY ABOUT 900,000 THIS YEAR TO, UH, $3.7 MILLION.
UM, AND THEN THOSE ARE ALL ASSIGNMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE TWO CHANGES IN AMOUNTS, AND THEN I'LL TALK TO SOME OF OUR NEW FUND BALANCE ASSIGNMENTS.
UM, THIS IS JUST MONEY THAT WE'RE SETTING ASIDE AT THIS POINT.
SO WE'RE SETTING ASIDE $2.1 MILLION, UH, AS A FUTURE INVESTMENT IN, UH, GES.
AND THIS IS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE OUR,
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UM, RATIO OF ABOUT 10% INVESTMENT.THIS MONEY IS JUST TO SIGN AND SITTING THERE.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR APPROPRIATIONS AT THIS TIME.
AND AT A LATER DATE, WE CAN, UM, PUT SOME MORE CASH INTO THAT, UM, PROJECT ALSO THE SAME AS TRUE FOR THE CASH INVESTMENT IN THE NEW COURTHOUSE.
AND AGAIN, TO MAKE OUR, UM, RATIOS OF ABOUT A 10% INVESTMENT IN A CAPITAL PROJECT, UH, SHOULD BE CASH.
THEN, UM, THE, THE SHEET SAYS 343, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY 318,000 SET ASIDE FOR CURRENT USE IN FYI 22.
UM, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE APPROPRIATIONS AT TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING, BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IT'S A SET ASIDE OF ABOUT 40,000 FOR HER VEHICLE, 125,000 FOR SECURITY AND 153,000 FOR CENTRAL CONVENIENCE CENTER IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, 500,000 IS A NEW SET ASIDE, UH, FOR FUTURE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
WE PREVIOUSLY HAD A $500,000 SET ASIDE FOR TRANSPORTATION.
SO THIS WILL MAKE A TOTAL OF A MILLION DOLLARS.
WE'LL HAVE US AS SET ASIDE FOR FUTURE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
AND THEN THE REMAINING IS A 2.2 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR FUTURE CIA PRE, UM, AND THOSE ARE ALL THE NEW ASSIGNMENTS.
SO, UM, WE'LL FINALIZE THOSE AT THE OCTOBER MEETING FOR PUBLICATION IN THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON RESULTS OF THIS YEAR OR A FUND BALANCE ASSIGNED? AND I SHOULD MENTION THAT THE, UM, FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THESE ASSIGNMENTS AT THE, UM, MEETING HELD EARLIER TODAY.
THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T SEE ANY, BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL ASK THE RESERVE FOR DEBT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS 3.9 MILLION RESERVE FOR DEBT SERVICE.
UM, DO WE, DO WE HAVE, I KNOW WE HAVE A GOAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIKE A WELL-DEFINED IS IT, BUT ARE WE ON TRACK? YES, YES, WE ARE ON TRACK.
SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS, UM, AND WE'LL PROBABLY GO INTO THIS MORE IN DETAIL IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, BUT, UM, THAT WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE TAKE ON NEW DEBT IS IN THOSE YEARS WHERE WE HAVE, WE WE'D LIKE OUR DEBT SERVICE TO BE ABOUT 3.9, $4 MILLION, CAUSE THAT'S NUMBER WE CAN HANDLE.
AND IN THOSE YEARS WHERE WE MAY HAVE SOME, UM, PEAK OVER THAT, THEN WE CAN DRAW ON THAT RESERVE FOR THAT.
WE'RE USING THESE YEARS WHERE THE DEBT SERVICE IS GOING DOWN TOO TO KEEP FUNDING THE FULL AMOUNT OF 3.8, 3.9 AND THEN SET THAT MONEY ASIDE FOR THE FUTURE.
THE 1 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR TRANSPORTATION, UM, WITH THE 500 ADDED THAT WAS NOT, UH, THAT'S NOT FROM CBTA MONEY AT ALL IS CORRECT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE ABOUT, UM, UH, OVER $1 MILLION, UM, CLOSE TO ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN CBA TA MONEY THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR THIS YEAR.
AND ARE, UM, THIS JUST CAME UP IN AN EARLIER DISCUSSION WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REFERENDUM AND, UH, THERE WAS AN, THIS IS GIVEN TO CAPITAL, UH, OUR, OUR PROJECTS, THE COURTHOUSE IN THE SCHOOLS.
UH, I SAW THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOW THE LEADS, LEADS REQUIREMENTS, ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS.
SOMEBODY SAID 10%, UM, TO THE ABILITY.
THERE'S DIFFERENT ESTIMATES ON WHAT THAT MIGHT ADD.
AND WE WON'T KNOW, DO WE DO THE DIFFERENT PLANS, BUT UM, DO OUR PLANNING NUMBERS, HAVE THEY BEEN ADJUSTED OR ACCOUNTING ACCOUNT FOR THAT? UM, THEY, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE PREVIOUS CAEP CIP, BUT WE'LL DO THAT IN THE NEXT CIP.
AND THEN THIS WILL HELP US WITH THAT.
UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADD THIS TO THE BUDGET.
THANK YOU FOR FILLING IN THE BLANKS.
AND DID THAT PROMPT SOME QUESTIONS FROM YEAH.
MR. CHAIRMAN, ALEX, A FOLLOW ON IN ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS, WHICH WAS THE, UH, FOR DEBT RESERVES WHERE I THINK MS. HORLACKER MENTIONED THAT, UM, IN THE EVENT OF A NEED, YOU CAN DRAW ON TO SMOOTH THINGS OUT, BUT, BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
BUT, UM, ALSO WHEN, WHEN A JURISDICTION DOES IT ISSUE SOME DEBT, THEY LIKE TO SEE HIM CASH COMP OUT OF THAT.
SO IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT DEBT FINANCED.
IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? CORRECT.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A HUNDRED INTO, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT CASH INTO THE BOND PROJECT, BUT, BUT THEY LIKE TO SEE THAT IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED BY DEBT.
SO THERE'D BE THAT ELEMENT AS WELL, WHICH WOULD BE THE UPFRONT AS AN ADDITION TO THE ONGOING, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
THE 3.9 MILLION IS ACTUALLY SET ASIDE FOR DEBT SERVICE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME MONEY SET ASIDE FOR PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CASH.
SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CASH PROJECT.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO I'M DRAWING THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE DEBT SERVICE, WHICH IS THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAY AS YOU GO KIND OF THING.
AND THEN THE, THE UPFRONT COPAY, IF YOU WILL, WHERE YOU'RE BORROWING AND MATCHING IT WITH SOME FUNDS.
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WOULD NEED TO DO BOTH OF THOSE.AND, UH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
THAT WAS MY MAIN THING THAT WE WERE ON TRACK.
CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO IN THE GOOD TIMES, PUT SOME MONEY ASIDE SO THAT WE CAN CASH AT LEAST START TO MAKE PROJECTS WITH CASH.
DOES THAT PROMPT ANY QUESTIONS FROM THIS? ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE FOR THAT, RIGHT.
AND I'M SORRY, I MISSED THE, YOU WANT THE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ONE SEPARATELY? THE, UH, ASSIGNMENT.
THERE IS A MOTION FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
AND THEN TONIGHT WE'LL DO THE APPROPRIATIONS.
WELL, GERALD ENTERTAIN THE MOTION.
THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE SCREEN.
JERRY, I MOVED THE GOODSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, APPROVES THE JUNE 30TH, 2021 PRELIMINARY FUND BALANCE ASSIGNMENTS AS PRESENTED SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BEFORE US ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UM, IF YOU WANNA COME ON UP IN, UH, WELL, SINCE YOU'RE HERE, WE LET YOU GO AHEAD.
YES, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT.
MR. CHAIR, SUPERVISORS, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU TODAY.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AND PLAN OUR VA AND WE ARE THE DESIGNATED, UM, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION FOR THE REGION.
[3. Presentation by PlanRVA on 2045 Long Range Transportation Plan]
A LITTLE BACKGROUND WE'RE, UH, NINE JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING GOODWIN COUNTY.AND WE ARE WRAPPING UP THE DEVELOPMENT OF CONNECT RVA 2045, WHICH IS OUR LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
THIS IS A PLAN THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS, UM, BY FEDERAL STATUTE.
AND THE GOAL OF, OF DOING THIS PLAN IS TO DETERMINE NOT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE TRANSPORTATION REALM IN SIX MONTHS OR NEXT YEAR.
IT'S, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE LANDSCAPE GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 20 YEARS, 25 YEARS.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE GET TO DO THAT, THAT NOT MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS GET TO DO IS, IS THINK LONGTERM AND THINK VISION AND, AND WHAT'S THE, WHAT ARE THE BIG NEEDS GOING TO BE FOR THE REGION, UM, WHEN WE GET TO THIS HORIZON HERE.
SO I WANTED TO, UH, JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES OF YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE FINDINGS AND THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH AND THEN ENCOURAGE YOU TO HELP SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE, UH, THE FINAL PUBLIC REVIEW PERIOD.
THAT'S GETTING READY TO OPEN ON AUGUST 15TH.
UH, WITH THAT A FEW ACRONYMS TO GET OUT OF THE WAY.
UM, AND I, I AM GUILTY OF, OF GETTING IN THE JARGON OF THE TRANSPORTATION.
SO OUR, OUR TPO IS THE RICHMOND REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION.
THAT'S THE GROUP THAT I REPRESENT.
CBTA, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES IT'S AFTERNOON ALREADY.
THAT'S THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.
AND IT'S A NEW ORGANIZATION AFTER THE 2020 GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT IS SET UP TO, UH, TO COLLECT TAX REVENUES FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SOURCES AND KEEP THEM HERE IN THE REGION SO THAT, UH, THE REGION CAN FUND, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, UH, BOTH AT A LOCAL LEVEL AND AT A REGIONAL LEVEL.
UH, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMMITTEES THAT ARE WORKING HARD ON THIS PLAN.
OUR TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS MOSTLY LOCAL STAFF LIKE MR. COLEMAN, MR. CAMPBELL.
UM, THE CTECH IS OUR COMMUNITY TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND IT HAS, UH, COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES FROM, FROM DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND GROUPS IN THE REGION THAT, THAT SPEAK FOR, FOR, UM, FOR THEIR NEEDS.
AND THEN THE FINAL TWO, UM, OR ABBREVIATIONS ARE THE SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BLOCK, GROUND AND CONGESTION MITIGATION, AIR QUALITY.
THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE ALSO ARE ABLE TO HELP, UH, HELP ALLOCATE TO OUR MEMBER GOVERNMENTS.
IF YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, UH, THE CONFERENCE PLAN HERE, HERE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY OR OTHER TYPES OF, OF LONG-TERM PLANNING EFFORTS, UH, IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
SO THE FIRST IDEA IS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE, RIGHT? WHERE ARE THE ISSUES, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS? WE LOOK AT A DEVELOPMENT OF A VISION AND GOALS FOR THE PLAN.
SO WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE THE UNIFYING FACTORS THAT WE ALL NEED TO GET BEHIND? WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT, THAT REALLY HELP US HELP US, UH, COME TO CONSENSUS AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE FINAL SOLUTIONS ARE.
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THE NEXT ONE IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN CALLING THE UNIVERSE OF PROJECTS.THIS IS ALL THE POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS THAT COULD HELP US FIX THOSE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.
SO, UM, THE UNIVERSE OF PROJECTS IS EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING WE COULD THINK OF, UM, PUT EVERYTHING IN A BUCKET AND SEE WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN FIND.
AND THEN THE NEXT PART, THE NEXT TWO PARTS ARE THE KIND OF THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS EFFORT IS WE HAVE TO BE, UM, COST POSSIBLE.
SO WE CAN'T DEVELOP A PLAN THAT IS JUST VISIONED.
IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY FUNDING FOR.
UH, AND WE CAN BUDGET OUT OVER THAT 20 YEAR PERIOD, UM, SOLUTIONS THAT ARE IMPLEMENTABLE AND SOLUTIONS THAT ARE REALISTIC.
SO PART OF THE PROCESS HERE IS WE'VE DEVELOPED A REALLY ROBUST, UH, SCORING METHOD, METHODOLOGY, AND A RANKING PROCESS.
SO WE CAN PRIORITIZE ALL OF THESE POSSIBLE PROJECTS IN THE REGION AND COME BACK WITH A COST POSSIBLE PLAN.
AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE LOTS OF TECHNICAL DEPENDENCIES AND LOTS OF INFORMATION AND DATA THAT, THAT SUPPORTS THE DIRECTION THE PLANE IS MOVING.
SO THE VISION, UH, IS ON THE SCREEN HERE, AND I'M GOING TO FOLLOW THIS WITH A COUPLE SLIDES TALKING ABOUT THE GOALS FOR THE PLAN.
UM, BUT WE REALLY HEARD A LOT IN OUR FIRST COUPLE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ABOUT THE NEED FOR A, A VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND HOLISTIC PLAN THAT DOESN'T JUST LOOK AT ADDING LANE MILES OR ADDING WITH TWO ROADS, UH, WHICH IS THE TRADITIONAL, UM, TRADITIONAL DIRECTION THAT THESE PLANNING EFFORTS GO.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF, A LOT OF ENERGY RIGHT NOW AROUND SAFETY, MAKING SURE THAT, THAT, UH, OUR TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES ARE SAFE AND, AND ARE PROVIDING THE RIGHT, UM, THE RIGHT MEASURES TO KEEP OUR RESIDENTS SAFE, UM, PROVIDING MORE EQUITY, UH, MORE, MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL, ALL PEOPLE TO USE THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES, WHETHER THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO, UH, I THINK A LACK OF A VEHICLE CARPOOLING, UM, TRANSIT, IF THAT'S AN OPTION OR, UM, ACCESS TO BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, MAKING SURE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF IMPROVEMENTS ARE CONNECTED.
AND I THINK THAT THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE HEARD ARE, UH, THE NEED FOR A STRONG ECONOMY AND THAT THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM SHOULD SUPPORT THAT, UH, WHILE ALSO RESPECTING ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
SO THE VISION AS, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS, IS SOMETHING THAT TRIES TO CAPTURE ALL OF THOSE THINGS TOGETHER.
SO THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THESE, BUT, UM, THERE'S FIVE GOALS AND THEY ALL DEAL WITH, UH, KIND OF THE PRIORITIES THAT WE HEARD IN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EXERCISES.
THE FIRST IS SAFETY SO THAT THE SYSTEM IS SAFE FOR ALL PEOPLE.
THE NEXT IS DEALING WITH REDUCTION OF NEGATIVE IMPACTS THAT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM ON THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, UH, AND LOTS OF, LOTS OF DIFFERENT MEASURES UNDERNEATH THAT, THAT, THAT TALK ABOUT LAND USE AND HOW THAT'S CONNECTED TO TRANSPORTATION.
UM, TALKING ABOUT, UM, REDUCING THE DISTANCES THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE TO DRIVE OR TRAVEL IN ANOTHER MODE, TRY AND THINK ABOUT, UM, PROVIDING EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES CLOSE TO WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, UH, PROVIDING SHOPPING OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN A REASONABLE DISTANCE OF, UH, RESIDENTS AND OFFICE SETTINGS.
THE THIRD GOAL IS, UH, AROUND EQUITY ACCESSIBILITY, UH, MAKING SURE THAT, UH, WE LOOK AT, UH, DISADVANTAGED POPULATIONS AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, UH, THOSE GROUPS, UH, HAVE JUST AS MUCH ACCESS AND, AND, UH, ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AS ANYONE ELSE.
UH, FOURTH WAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LOOKING AT, UM, CONGESTION AND MOBILITY ISSUES AND REDUCING, UH, TRAVEL TIMES SO THAT, UH, EMPLOYERS AND, AND, UH, EMPLOYEES CAN, CAN HAVE A REASONABLE COMMUTE.
WE CAN REDUCE FREIGHT BOTTLENECKS.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LOCATIONS, INCLUDING 2 88 THAT, UH, THAT HAVE, UM, PRETTY SEVERE BOTTLENECKS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS OVER THIS, THIS PLANNING HORIZON TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE HIT THOSE MARKS.
AND THEN THE FIFTH WAS MOBILITY.
AND THIS IS LOOKING AT PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A CHOICE IN HOW THEY, HOW THEY GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B, UM, AND IMPROVING THE SYSTEM EFFICIENCY OF, OF THE, OF THE HIGHWAY NETWORK OF THE TRANSIT SYSTEMS OF RIDE SHARING AND ALL TYPES OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO GET FROM PLACE TO PLACE THAT ARE, SEEMS TO BE CHANGING, UM, BY THE WEEK IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT, UH, WHAT OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD
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LOUD AND CLEAR IS THAT, UM, THE PROJECTS THAT, THAT TYPICALLY COME OUT OF A LONG RANGE PLAN ARE NOT, UH, DON'T SPEAK TO THE EVERYDAY CITIZEN.AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A DISTINCTION TO BE MADE HERE IN A PLAN THAT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE REGIONAL IN NATURE AND, AND REPRESENTATIVE OF NINE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE WIDELY DIFFERENT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IS THIS PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS.
IT DOESN'T LOOK AT SAY A, UH, AN INFILL OF A SIDEWALK PROJECT IN A, IN A BLOCK IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
THOSE ARE MORE LOCAL IN NATURE.
AND, AND, UH, THE PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT AT LARGER, MORE SIGNIFICANT, UH, IMPACT PROJECTS.
SO THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF, UH, METRICS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT, UM, DEFINE WHAT A REGIONAL PROJECT IS, WHETHER IT'S TRANSIT OR BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN, UM, ROADS, UH, INTERMODAL LIKE FREIGHT AND RAIL, AND THEN BRIDGES.
UM, SO THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT IDEAS.
UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET BACK.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT HERE IS, UM, LIKE THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR, FOR TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO RECREATE AND DO DO THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES, BUT WHAT MAKES A REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN PROJECT IS SOMETHING THAT IS MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS MORE PERMANENT IN NATURE.
IT'S NOT JUST ADDING STRIPES ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF A ROAD.
UH, SO SOMETHING LIKE THE FALL LINE, IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE SEEN THAT IN THE NEWS, THAT'S A, THAT'S A REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT THAT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM ASHLAND TO PETERSBURG AND FOLLOWS, FOLLOWS, UH, MANY OF THE, MANY OF THE MAJOR QUARTERS, UM, NORTH, SOUTH, OR THE REGION, UM, ROADS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ORIGINALS, REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT IN NATURE ARE THINGS LIKE, UM, NEW INTERCHANGES, UH, MODIFICATIONS, UM, MAKING SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS TO MAJOR ARTERIALS, UH, OR, OR INTERSTATES LIKE 2 88 OR 64.
UM, BRIDGES ARE MOSTLY, UH, REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT.
THERE'S NOT, NOT MANY TIMES YOU'D FIND A BRIDGE THAT ISN'T, ISN'T THAT TYPE OF PROJECT.
AND THEN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, OUR INITIAL FINDINGS AND WHAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE IT IN THE PLAN.
UM, SO THESE ARE DIVIDED BY THE DIFFERENT MODES ON THE, ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE.
THE FIRST COLUMN OF THE UNIVERSE OF PROJECTS ARE ALL OF THE POSSIBLE PROJECTS THAT, THAT, UH, FIT INTO EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES.
THE THIRD COLUMN IS WHAT'S EXCITING TO ME, AND THIS SPEAKS TO, TO, UH, FUNDING IS THESE ARE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, UH, EXPECT TO IMPLEMENT, UH, OVER THE LIFE OF THE PLAN.
SO BY 2045, WE CAN EXPECT, UH, ALL 16 BRIDGES THAT ARE, THAT ARE PROPOSED, CAN BE FUNDED.
WE CAN EXPECT 33 OF THE 34 ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS CAN BE FUNDED.
WE CAN EXPECT 147 OF THE 184 HIGHWAY PROJECTS TO BE FUNDED.
SO THIS IS A HUGE, HUGE IMPROVEMENT OVER PREVIOUS PLANS.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE REVENUE THAT'S GENERATED BY THE CBTA AND THE ABILITY TO FUND SOME OF THESE REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
I THINK THAT, UH, THAT WE'VE WORKED VERY WELL WITH V DOT OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS TO, TO GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF, OF HOW THIS, UM, THIS PROCESS FITS IN WITH THINGS LIKE SMART, THE SMART SCALE PROGRAM AND THE CBTA AS IT'S, AS IT'S BEING DEVELOPED.
AND MANY OF THE OTHER FUNDING PROGRAMS LIKE THE, THE SEAMAC PROGRAM THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
UM, AND THEN THIS JUST SPEAKS TO, UH, THE DIFFERENCES IN SCALE OF PROJECTS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, 84% OF THE FUNDING, UM, GOES TO HIGHWAY PROJECTS.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE HIGHWAY PROJECTS ARE EXPENSIVE TO DO.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE PHYSICAL BRICKS AND MORTAR TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED, MOST OF THAT MONEY IS NECESSARY FOR THE HIGHWAY PROJECTS.
BUT I WILL SAY, UH, IF, IF SOMEONE IS, UH, IS AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, PROPONENT 97% OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT WERE DEVELOPED CAN BE FUNDED.
SO THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID FOR THE OTHER MODES AS WELL IN THIS PLAN, UH, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? SO THIS IS THE REASON I'M HERE WITH YOU TODAY IS WE HAVE A PELVIC REVIEW PERIOD, UH, TO REVIEW THE FINAL PLAN IN THIS DRAFT FORM THAT WE'LL START ON AUGUST 16TH AND RUN FOR 30 DAYS UNTIL SEPTEMBER 15TH.
AND, UM, THE ACTION WILL BE TAKEN BY OUR POLICY BOARD, HOPEFULLY ON OCTOBER 4TH, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE HAVE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE IN DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW FOR PEOPLE TO BE ENGAGED AND PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
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TAKE A LOOK AT THE DRAFT PLAN AND PROVIDE US ANY COMMENTS OR, OR SUGGESTIONS, UH, THAT, THAT PEOPLE UNDER PEOPLE, UH, DEVELOP AS A, AS A REVIEW OF THE DRAFT.UM, I DO HAVE, UM, AND I'LL JUST, JUST, UH, UH, A HIGHLIGHT OF SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE WILL HAVE.
I I'M, I'M SPEAKING TO, UH, AS MANY OF THE BOARDS OF SUPERVISORS IN THE REGION AS POSSIBLE, UH, TO ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, WE'RE SCHEDULING, I THINK, FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT OPEN HOUSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE REGIONALLY IN NATURE.
UM, ADD MAJOR LIBRARIES IN THE REGION.
WE ARE DEVELOPING ONLINE TOOLS.
UM, IF YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED AT ALL OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF WITH, WITH THIS PROCESS, WE PROVIDED OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH VIRTUAL MEANS, UH, AS, AS MANY OTHER GROUPS HAVE, UH, FOR PARTICIPATION AND THAT WILL CONTINUE.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE A PRETTY ROBUST, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN THAT'S GOING OUT.
SO I WOULD ASK PEOPLE IF THEY WANT TO BE, UM, I WANT TO BE IN THE LOOP AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
THAT THAT ONE OF THOSE WAYS WILL HOPEFULLY PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I DO HAVE, UH, SOME FLYERS THAT I BROUGHT WITH ME THAT I CAN LEAVE.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST A ONE PAGER ABOUT HOW PEOPLE CAN GET ENGAGED AND, AND CONNECT WITH THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.
IF PEOPLE USE THOSE, UM, YOU CAN SCAN IT WITH YOUR SMARTPHONE CAMERA AND IT WILL TAKE YOU TO THE WEBSITE FOR THE, FOR THE LONG RANGE PLAN.
SO WITH THAT, I BELIEVE, UM, I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, AND I'LL LEAVE THIS SLIDE UP ABOUT HOW, HOW YOU CAN GET INVOLVED.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TAKE NOTE, ANY BOARD MEMBERS, I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT.
I JUST WANT TO THANK MR. PARSONS.
YOU'VE BEEN MOST HELPFUL AS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO TRANSVERSE THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, SEE VTA AND HOW IT ALL PLAYS IN WHERE ALL THE MONEY COMES FROM, WHERE BUCKETS OF MONEY.
I MEAN, HOW IT ALL PUTS TOGETHER.
IT'S JUST REALLY BEEN QUITE A PROJECT PROCESS.
AND I REALLY THINK YOU'VE REALLY HELPED US A LOT.
UH, THANKS AGAIN, MR. PARSONS FOR COMING.
JUST CURIOUS, HOW, HOW LONG HAS THIS TYPE OF PLANNING BEEN GOING ON? SO HAS IT BEEN DECADES, THE LONG RANGE PLAN? I, I THINK IT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE THE LATE SIXTIES THREE, I BELIEVE IN THIS REGION HAS PROBABLY BEEN GOING ON ABOUT THREE DECADES.
SO IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND 2000.
A GROUP WAS SITTING TOGETHER THINKING ABOUT WHAT 2021 IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
HAVE WE EVER LOOKED TO SEE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE UNIVERSE OF PROJECTS THAT WERE SLOTTED TO BE DONE BY 2021 WERE ACTUALLY COMPLETED? WE HAVE, WE, HAVEN'T MADE A, IT'S NOT BEEN AN ORGANIZED EFFORT, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN SOME LOOK BACK AND SEE WHERE WE'VE COME SAID.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'D BE INTERESTING.
AND AGAIN, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE MOTIVATION FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO GET INVOLVED BECAUSE IT CAN REALLY LEAD TO PROGRESS OR THINGS TO BEING COMPLETED.
CAN YOU GO BACK TWO SLIDES? I'M JUST SOMETHING THAT JUST STRUCK ME THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF BEFORE THAT ONE, RIGHT? UH, YEAH.
THE ACTIVE NOW, FIRST OF ALL, ACTIVE IS BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN.
THAT'S ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION IS HIS BIKE OR PEDESTRIAN.
AND I SAW 33 OF THE 34 PROJECTS.
SO THAT LOOKS LIKE ONE PROJECT.
AND SO THIS ONE PROJECT WAS, WHAT IS THAT? 2030.
IS THAT WHAT, 30 MILLION DIFFERENCE RIGHT THERE? YES.
WHICH PROJECT WAS THAT? DO YOU KNOW? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I IMAGINED IT MAY BE A, PROBABLY SOME TYPE OF A STRUCTURE, LIKE A BRIDGE, OR IT SHOULD HAVE DONE THE MATH HERE BECAUSE 184,000 DIVIDED BY 33.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE AVERAGE COST, BECAUSE I KNOW AT THE LAST MEETING, IT LOOKED LIKE EXACTLY.
I KNEW THIS SLIDE WAS COMING BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE DOING A LOT.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES, I THINK EVERYBODY'S LIKE FOCUSED ON ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION.
BUT EVEN IF YOU FIND MOST OF THEM, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE COST OF THE PROJECTS, YOU STILL ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT MUCH RELATIVE.
SO 180 4, 4 OR FIVE, FIVE, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU LATER, LATER THIS AFTERNOON, WHAT THE PROJECT IS, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S IT'S, WHAT DID I SAY? IT'S THE 30, 30 MILLION, RIGHT.
SO IF IT'S A GOOD SIZE, BECAUSE THE AVERAGE LOOKS LIKE IT'S FIVE AND A HALF MILLION, 5.6 MILLION.
AND SO THIS IS A BIG ONE THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT I'M WAS KIND OF CURIOUS.
MS. JUDGE SPOT AND FOLLOW ON NOT TO PLAY TRIVIA, JUST, UM, THESE NUMBERS REFLECT ALL SOURCES.
MOST, MOST OF THE MONEY THAT WE, WE TYPICALLY DEAL WITH IS FEDERAL.
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT NOW.THAT'S, THAT'S THE SOURCE FOR MOST OF THESE THINGS.
ARE ANY OF THOSE IN GOOCHLAND? I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE.
THEY'RE NOT REGIONAL, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BRITISH.
WELL, SOME OF OUR BRIDGES GO ACROSS COUNTY LINES.
THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT THAT NOT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS, BUT THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THE BRIDGES HAVE TO BE DEEMED STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THE GOOCHLAND BRIDGES ARE, BUT I MAY BE MISTAKEN.
I'M SURE I CAN BE CORRECTED MANY PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
SO THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL 60 AND REPLACEMENT.
AND THEN FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED REGIONAL, YOU MENTIONED REPLACING A BRIDGE IN GOODSON MIGHT JUST BE A GOODSON ISSUE, NOT A REGIONAL ISSUE.
HOW MANY OF THOSE NINE JURISDICTIONS DO YOU NEED TO TOUCH FOR IT TO BE DEEMED REGIONAL? IS IT 1, 2, 3, 4? I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO MISSPEAK IF IT'S A BRIDGE.
I THINK IT'S A REGIONAL PROJECT, EVEN IF IT'S IN ONE OF THE NINE JURISTS.
FOR THE MOST PART, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE HAVE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE SET AND I COULD CERTAINLY, IF YOU WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT, WE CAN, UM, UH, REALLY THE QUESTION, THE BIGGER QUESTION HERE IS, YOU KNOW, HOW RACHEL DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HAVING THOSE NINE JURISDICTIONS HAVE TO BE TOUCHED BY A PROJECT FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED REGIONAL, OR IS IT JUST THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT, THE SCOPE, OR IS IT A COMBINATION? I GUESS IT'S A COMBINATION OF ALL THOSE FACTORS.
SO I SEE BACK TO THIS SLIDE, THE RAIL, FUNDING'S NOT REGIONAL BASED ON, SO, BUT WE STILL HAVE RAIL PROJECTS IN THE UNIVERSE OF PROJECTS THAT YES, SIR.
WE HAVE NINE REAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.
AND THE ONLY REASON IT'S THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
THAT'S JUST THE COST POSSIBLE IS JUST ZERO BECAUSE IT'S NOT REGIONAL.
THAT'S CORRECT THAT THE RAIL FUNDING, UH, IS, IS UNIQUE BECAUSE WE AREN'T, WE'RE ABLE FOR ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS WE'RE ABLE TO, TO LIMIT IT BASED ON OUR NINE JURISDICTIONS.
AND THE RAIL IS A STATEWIDE TOTAL, RIGHT.
WHICH IS HANDLED BY OUR IT DIVISION RAIL AND PUBLIC TRANSIT.
SO WE AREN'T ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AS APPLES AND APPLES.
THERE'S, UH, THERE'S LOTS OF STATEWIDE FUNDING FOR REAL.
DOES WHAT INFLUENCE DOES THE, OUR REGIONAL TPO, WHAT KIND OF INFLUENCE CAN WE IMPACT? HOW CAN WE IMPACT A RAIL PROJECT TO OUR, TO OUR LIKING, TO OUR FAVOR? OR DO WE EVEN GET INVOLVED IN THAT? OH, I THINK WE CAN ABSOLUTELY GET INVOLVED.
UH, AND IT, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE, UM, THE, UH, THE CHAMPIONS.
I MEAN, WHO'S, WHO'S, WHO'S BEHIND IT.
UM, I THINK AT, AT THE TPO LEVEL, UH, IT'S A GREAT FORUM FOR, FOR REGIONAL COOPERATION AND SUPPORT FOR SOMETHING LIKE A RAIL PROJECT.
WE DO HAVE REGULAR PARTICIPATION FROM THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD AND D RPT AT ALL OF OUR MEETINGS SO REGULARLY.
AND SHE'S SOMETIMES TALKING WHEN THEY WERE JUST KIND OF REDOING THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IT LOOKED LIKE, ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES HERE? I NEVER REALLY GOT A HANDLE ON EXACTLY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COULD HELP GOOSE SOMEBODY.
THEY CERTAINLY COULD HELP, HELP THE REGION IN WAYS.
I THINK, I THINK THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE GROWING, WATCHING WHAT THE WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING AT THE, IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND THE NEW INITIATIVES AROUND RAIL AND THE STATE.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL KEEPING TRACK OF.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING OUT AND SPEAKING TO US AND WE'LL DEFINITELY LEAVE THOSE FLYERS, MAKE SURE WE GET SOME OF THOSE FLYERS AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE.
WE'LL TAKE A BREAK, I THINK, AND THEN WE'LL BE READY TO PICK UP ON THE UPDATE ON THE REFERENDUM.
YEAH, WE'VE BEEN AT IT FOR A LITTLE BIT, SO WE'LL TAKE A EIGHT, EIGHT OR NINE MINUTE BREAK.
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SO LET'S PICK RIGHT BACK UP AND WE ARE GOING THE OVERVIEW OF THE REFERENDUM PROCESS.MS. HORLACKER CAN AFTERNOON MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AS CHAIRMAN.
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WOULD JUST LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE ON THE REFERENDUM PROCESS, UM, BRIEF, BUT JUST TO KEEP YOU UP TO DATE, WE, WE ALL KNOW THAT RANDOM WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE VOTERS OF THE COUNTY SHALL ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS TO PROVIDE FUNDS FOR SPECIFIC IDENTIFIED PROJECTS.UM, FUNDS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THOSE PROJECTS, AND THIS IS UNIQUE TO COUNTIES REQUIRED BY THE STATE LAW.
UM, AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ THESE QUESTIONS.
IF WE KNOW IT'S CONSISTS OF TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE IS A PUBLIC SCHOOL QUESTION, UM, WITH FOUR PARTS OR THREE PROJECT WITHIN IT, UM, FOR $60 MILLION.
AND THE SECOND ONE IS A COUNTY COURTS AND PUBLIC SAFETY QUESTION FOR $36 MILLION IN BONDS.
UM, AFTER THE REFERENDUM, THE COUNTY WILL WORK WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO DE TO DECIDE THE TIMING AND SIZE OF THE BOND ISSUANCE.
IT DOESN'T, IT WON'T HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY, WILL DEPEND ON MARKET CONDITIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THE BOARD WILL NEED TO PASS A RESOLUTION BEFORE DEBT CAN BE ISSUED.
AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO REVIEW OUR PROJECTS ANNUALLY AND THE CIP PROCESS.
UM, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT PUTTING CASH INTO THE PROJECTS.
UM, YOU WILL SEE THIS OFTEN FROM NOW UNTIL THE FALL, UM, IS AN EXAMPLE OF IT ON THE SCREEN.
AND THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF IT HERE IN LIVE.
UH, THIS IS A TABLE RUNNER AND, UM, WE'LL BE USING THESE DURING OUR MEETINGS.
UM, SO WE HAVE OUR LOGO, WE HAVE A WEBSITE, UM, AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SHOW YOU THAT TODAY IT JUST WENT LIVE TODAY.
AND, UM, JESSICA KRONBERG IS GOING TO COME UP HERE AND SHOW YOU AROUND A LITTLE BIT ON THE WEBSITE.
AND, UM, BECAUSE SHE'S DONE ALL THE WORK FOR IT.
SO SHE GETS TO SHOW, THANK YOU.
SO AS SHE MENTIONED, I'M JESSICA KRONBERG WITH PARKS AND REC AND I'VE BEEN HELPING OUT WITH THE BOND MARKETING.
UH, SO WE DO HAVE OUR LOGO HERE.
SO WHEN YOU GO TO THE COUNTY'S MAIN PAGE, NOW YOU'LL SEE THE, ONE OF THE BUTTONS ON THE FRONT HAS BEEN RENAMED FOR BOND.
REFERENDUM CAN CLICK THERE AND IT'LL TAKE YOU TO THE MAIN BONDS PAGE.
YOU'VE GOT THE CONTACT US LINK.
SO A GENERIC EMAIL, THAT'LL GO TO THREE COUNTY STAFF, AS WELL AS A PHONE NUMBER.
ANYONE CAN REQUEST IT INFORMATIONAL MEETING.
THAT'LL TAKE YOU TO A FORM THAT YOU CAN FILL OUT THAT WILL AGAIN, GO TO THOSE SAME THREE COUNTY STAFF.
AND ANY ORGANIZATION CAN REQUEST A MEETING ABOUT THE BOND TEAM WILL GO OUT AND MEET WITH THE GROUP AND PROVIDE THEM THEN ALL OF THEIR INFORMATION.
SO ON WHILE ON THE BONDS PAGE, WE ALSO HAVE ALL OF OUR FAQ'S.
NOW THIS CONTACT INFORMATION, AND THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ARE ALL THERE ON EVERY SUB PAGE.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 12 FAQ'S, BUT AS WE MOVE THROUGH, THE PROCESS IS MORE QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED AND WE NOTICE A TREND WE CAN ADD TO THOSE.
SO AS BARBARA MENTIONED, THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO QUESTIONS, ONE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE COURTS.
SO HERE WE HIGHLIGHT THOSE PROJECTS WITH SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION, SOME GRAPHICS MAPS.
IF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED, WE HAVE THEM SMALL.
WE ALSO HAVE THEM ABLE FOR DOWNLOAD.
UM, THIS IS JUST AN OVERHEAD OF THE ENTIRE COURTHOUSE CONFLICT, EXCELLENT.
WITH SOME SCROLLING PICTURES OF CURRENT CONDITIONS AND PROJECTS GOING ON THE EXPLANATION OF THE BOND QUESTION, AS WELL AS THE BALLOT QUESTION FOR EACH.
SO THEN WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND SAME THING.
WE'VE GOT AN OVERHEAD OF THE MAP THAT THEY'VE BEEN REALLY SAYING BASIC EXPLANATION,
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PICTURES OF CURRENT CONDITIONS.AND THEN THE BALLOT QUESTION, NO, I JUST GO BACK TO THE HOME PAGE AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CURRENT STATE OF THE WEBSITE, AS I SAID, AS WE NOTICE TRENDS THAN MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, WE CAN KEEP IT UPDATED.
UM, AS JESSICA MENTIONED, WE WERE TRYING TO, UM, WE'LL KEEP ADJUSTING THIS AS NEEDED.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE FLUID WITH THIS.
SO AS WE NEED, UM, AS WE NEED MORE INFORMATION, WE'LL GET MORE INFORMATION OUT THERE.
SHE ALSO MENTIONED THERE'S A SIGN UP THERE TO GET NOTIFICATION WHEN ANYTHING HAS BEEN ADDED TO THIS WEBSITE.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET NOTIFICATION OF THAT.
YOU CAN ALSO SIGN UP TO REQUEST SPEAKERS FOR, UH, ANY COMMUNITY MEETING THAT YOU, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE.
UM, WE'LL ALSO HAVE A DEDICATED EMAIL AND PHONE NUMBER THAT I BELIEVE SHE POINTED OUT.
UM, THOSE WILL BE MONITORED AND RESPONDED TO WITHIN 24 HOURS.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION, THEY CAN, UM, USE THE EMAIL ADDRESS OR THEY CAN DO THE PHONE NUMBER AND LEAVE A MESSAGE AND WE'LL GET BACK TO THEM WITH ANSWERS.
IF YOU WANT TO JUST CALL AND SAY, I WANT TO SCHEDULE A MEETING AND THAT'S EASIER FOR YOU THAN USING A FORM.
YOU YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT AS WELL.
UM, WE, WE HAVE THE LIST OF 12 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
WE EXPECT THAT IT'LL PROBABLY EVOLVE AND WE MAY END UP WITH A HUNDRED FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, BUT WE'LL BE UPDATING THAT AND ADDING DURING THE PROCESS, UM, AND JUST TRY TO KEEP THIS PROCESS AS FLUID AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU OUR FIRST, UM, IT'S JUST A DRAFT COPY OF OUR FIRST BROCHURE.
UM, IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME MENTIONED THE, THE CODE QR CODE, THIS ALSO HAS A QR CODE ON IT.
WILL PEOPLE BE ABLE TO SCAN IT AND, UM, AND GET MORE INFORMATION ON THE BOND PROJECT.
AND, UM, THERE'LL BE, UM, A LOT MORE TO COME AS WE KNOW, DATES AND KNOW, UH, TIMES OF VARIOUS MEETINGS.
UM, BUT JUST WANTED TO GET YOU, UM, KNOWING THAT THE TEAM IS WORKING ON IT.
UM, I HAVE A GREAT TEAM HELPING ME AND, UM, EVERYBODY'S, UM, MR. MCGEE'S HELPING ME.
PAUL DRUM, RYAN IS HELPING, UH, MARIANA IS GOING TO HELP ME.
SHE DOESN'T KNOW IT YET, BUT, UM, THE WHOLE TEAM IS, IS PULLING TOGETHER AND WE'RE GOING TO GET IN AS MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED THIS WEEKEND.
SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROCESS? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
I'M SURE WE'LL CONTINUE TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT IT, BUT NO QUESTIONS NOW.
YOU'RE WELCOME, MR. FOSTER, COME ON UP.
AND I GUESS YOU HAVE SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT'LL BE JOINING YOU, MAYBE JUST ME.
IT'S JUST, YOU COULDN'T TALK ANYONE INTO IT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. MCGEE, I'M SCOTT FOSTER DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES, AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT
[4. Agency Presentations: General Services and Parks and Recreation]
THE FY 21 ANNUAL REPORT.GENERAL SERVICES HAS A LOT OF AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITY, A LOT OF HATS, A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
WE'RE PART OF CURBSIDE RECYCLING, UH, DOOR SECURITY, CARD ACCESS, SPECIAL EVENTS, FUEL MANAGEMENT, FLEET MANAGEMENT, AND GENERAL SERVICES IS BROKEN DOWN INTO THREE MAIN AREAS, WHICH IS CONVENIENT CENTERS, FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, AND GROUNDS MANAGEMENT.
SO THE CONVENIENCE CENTERS, WE HAVE FIVE FULL-TIME ATTENDANCE LAST YEAR, THREE PART-TIME ATTENDANCE.
WE HAD OVER 308,000 VISITORS TOTAL AT OUR CONVENIENCE CENTERS.
THE MAJORITY OF THAT WAS THAT CENTRAL DURING THE BUSY HOUR AT CENTRAL, WE'RE GETTING 80 TO 90 CARS AN HOUR, YOU KNOW, A CAR, EVERY CAR AND A HALF FOR EVERY MINUTE.
SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY CRAZY HOW BUSY IT IS.
AND WHAT KIND OF JOB DOES GUYS DO THERE? UM, WE TOOK IN OVER $128,000 IN REVENUE.
THAT REVENUE COMES FROM DIFFERENT AREAS.
IT COMES FROM OUR SCRAP METAL, WHICH WAS THE MAJORITY OF IT.
WE TOOK IN AND SCRAP METAL THAT COMES FROM YOUR BATTERIES FROM YOUR MIXED PAPER.
AND IT ALSO COMES FROM LIKE BRUSH TIRES, ET CETERA.
THAT'S WHERE THAT MONEY COMES FROM.
WE TOOK IN OVER 8,000 TONS OF MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE.
THAT'S A TOTAL FOR BOTH LOCATIONS.
MAJORITY OBVIOUSLY IS AT CENTRAL.
AND WE ALSO SENT ANOTHER ADDITIONAL 1100 TONS TO THE 6 23 REPUBLIC LANDFILL.
AND WE TOOK IN OVER 3,900 POUNDS OF BATTERIES, RECYCLED BATTERIES.
WE TOOK IT OVER 12,000 POUNDS OF PLASTIC BAGS, RECYCLE, UM, AND OUR FACILITIES.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONVENIENCE CENTERS WHILE WE'RE THERE? OR DO YOU WANT
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TO WAIT UNTIL THE END? OKAY.WE HAVE TWO FULL-TIME FACILITIES, TECHNICIANS, SIX FULL-TIME CUSTODIANS, AND ONE PART-TIME CUSTODIAN.
EVERYONE COULDN'T BE THERE FOR THE PITCHER, BUT THAT'S A SHADOW.
SOME OF THEM, THEY MAINTAIN OVER 31 BUILDINGS OVER 278,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW I HAVE THERE THAT'S OVER 120,000 SQUARE FEET PER TECHNICIAN.
THE REASON THAT NUMBER IS NOT 2 78 DIVIDED BY TWO IS LESS THAN THAT.
OR MORE THAN THAT, WE ALSO HAVE THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES CAME UP THROUGH THE RANKS.
HE IS A FACILITIES TECHNICIAN, AND HE WAS A FACILITY SUPERVISOR.
AND THERE'S MANY DAYS WHERE HE'LL GRAB A WRENCH AND RUN CALLS AS NEEDED BECAUSE THE GUYS STAY SO BUSY AND STAY BEHIND.
SO I USED A, JUST A FACTOR OF HIM OF LIKE A 0.3 FACTOR TO FIGURE AND HOW MUCH HE DOES.
AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT NUMBER CLOSER TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET PER TECHNICIAN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AND THEY CLEAN AND MAINTAIN ALL THE PUBLIC FACILITIES.
AND LAST YEAR WE DID OVER 3,300 WORKERS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON FACILITIES? NOPE.
RIGHT ON THE GROUNDS Y'ALL ARE MAKING THE SEASON GROUNDS.
WE HAVE SEVEN FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT GROUNDSKEEPERS, ONE PART-TIME UM, THEY MAINTAIN ALL THE GOVERNMENT GROUNDS, THE SCHOOLS, THE PARKS, AN INTERESTING NOTE THERE, WE DID TRANSFER ONE FULL-TIME STAFF FROM GENERAL SERVICES TO PARKS AND REC THIS PAST YEAR.
UH, IT WAS EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST.
WE FOUND THAT WE WERE DEDICATED IN A PERSON EVERY DAY, JUST TO PREP AND BALL FIELDS OR MAINTAINING THE ATHLETIC FIELDS AND WHETHER TO HAVE, UM, JESSICA HAVE TO GO THROUGH GENERAL SERVICES TO HAVE THAT PERSON PREP THE FIELDS.
WE DECIDED IT MADE A LOT MORE SENSE.
WE WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, WE WORKED WITH BARBARA WITH FINANCE AND WE TRANSFERRED A PERSON OVER TO PARKS AND RECS TO BE THE FULL TIME FIELD MANAGER, FIELD MAINTENANCE MANAGER, ATHLETICS, AND TURF MANAGERS, THE CORRECT WORD.
SO IN THAT, UM, THAT'S CARL LACEY CALL, MAN.
HE'S BEEN WITH THE COUNTY FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS, A GREAT EMPLOYEE.
UM, THEY MOWED OVER 4,400 ACRES.
THE FIELDS ARE A LITTLE UNIQUE PREPPING IN THE PAST.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GIVE YOU EXACTLY NUMBERS, BUT WITH COVID IT WAS GAMES GOT CANCELED GAMES GOT MOVED, BUT IT'S STILL, THEY WERE STILL A LOT OF FIELDS GOT PREPPED OR THE SEASONS GOT SHIFTED TO A DIFFERENT TIME OF THE YEAR.
UM, THE GROUNDS CREW IS RESPONSIBLE FOR A LOT OF OUR SPECIAL EVENTS ASSISTANCE.
LIKE THE CHRISTMAS TREE, YOUR FESTIVALS, YOUR 4TH OF JULY.
UM, IN THE OFF SEASON, OBVIOUSLY IN THE SPRING AND IN THE SUMMER AND THE FALL, THEY'RE BUSY CUTTING OR THEY'RE BUSY TAKING CARE OF THE GROUNDS, BUT IN THE OFF SEASON, WE DO WHAT WE CALL WINTER PROJECT.
THIS PAST YEAR, WE ESTABLISHED THE DOG TRAIL AT HIDDEN ROCK PARK.
AND WE ADDED GRAVEL EVERYWHERE OUT AT MATTHEWS PARK.
AND THEY ALSO WORKED ON THE INSTALL INSTALLATION OF THE CHANGE OUT TO PRIVATE STREET SIGNS TO BROWN FOR THE COUNTY.
SO THAT'S HOW WE UTILIZE THEM.
TYPICALLY IN THE WINTER CAPITAL PROJECTS WERE ALSO, THESE ARE SOME OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WERE A PART OF IT THAT WE TOUCHED THE GATEWAY SIGNS.
IT'S STILL ONGOING OBVIOUSLY, BUT THE ROUTE SIX SIGN AS YOU'RE AWARE, WHICH IS THERE ON THE SCREEN WAS COMPLETED.
THE BROAD STREET SIGN IS IN PERMITTING STAGE.
AND WE'RE HOPEFUL FOR SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION TO TAKE PLACE ON THAT TO TUCKER PARK, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING A LOT OF THE, UM, RENOVATIONS LIKE THE REVENUE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND THE ASPHALT PROJECTS.
I THINK Y'ALL SAW HIDDEN ROCK AND THERE'S ONE COMING UP REAL SOON AT THE GAS PUMP AND THE FIRE STATION RIGHT THERE.
AND SOME OF THE BALL FIELD, WE ADDED TWO NEW BALL FIELDS THAT WERE IN THE PROCESS OF ADDING TWO NEW BALL FIELDS AT CENTRAL HIGH.
AND WE ASSISTED WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE OLD TOWER AT THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER.
UM, THE SECURITY UPGRADES THAT Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF IS ONGOING, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WAS STARTED.
AND OF COURSE HUMAN RESOURCES, WE JUST RECENTLY PUT IN THEIR NEW AREA, MOVED TO THEIR NEW AREA AND SOME SMALL RENOVATIONS AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, FUTURE OUTLOOK AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW AND EXPAND GENERAL SERVICES IS IMPACTED EVERYWHERE.
CONVENIENCE CENTERS ARE IMPACTED.
FACILITIES, TECHNICIANS ARE IMPACTED.
THE GROUNDS DIVISION IS IMPACTED.
IT'S JUST, IT'S A TRICKLE-DOWN EVERYWHERE.
UM, AND WE'RE ARE LOOKING VERY FORWARD TO BEING HEAVILY INVOLVED IN BEING PART OF THE FUTURE CIP PROJECTS, THE NEW FIRE STATIONS AND THE COURTHOUSES AND THE FUTURE RENOVATIONS.
AND WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. FOSTER AND MR. SPOONFLOWER? YES.
SO MR. FOSTER, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT A CHANCE TO SEE YOU SINCE COVID AND EVERYTHING THAT HAD TO HAPPEN AND JUST HOW PROUD WE WERE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP OUR CONVENIENCE CENTERS OPEN AND FUNCTIONING AT FULL OPERATIONS ON LIKE A LOT OF OUR PARTNERS.
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TO YOUR TEAM FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN.UM, MOST NOTABLY RECENTLY THE, UH, WESTERN CONVENIENCE CENTER BEING OPEN ON WEDNESDAYS IS I'VE GOTTEN A TON OF GREAT FEEDBACK FROM THAT.
SO, UM, THE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, THE CITIZENS NOTICE, AND WE APPRECIATE, I DID HAVE A QUESTION, UM, UH, REGARDING, IT SEEMS LIKE YEARS AGO, I USED TO BE ABLE TO GO IN FOR $15, GET A TRAILER TRAILER FULL OF THE MULCH THAT WE WOULD HAVE GROUND UP.
CAN YOU GIVE ME, BUT I THINK WE'RE HAULING IT ALL THE WAY NOW.
UM, SO IT'S NOT A COST TO THE COUNTY, THE COST OF RAT LAST TEST.
AND WE HAVE TO GRIND THAT INTO MULCH, UM, WAS GOING TO RUN THE COUNTY ABOUT $60,000 IS WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE OUR COST TO TURN IT INTO MULCH.
IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, AT Y'ALL'S DIRECTION INSTITUTE AGAIN AND DO IT AGAIN.
BUT AT THIS TIME IT WAS JUST A COST DECISION TO HAUL IT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN AGREEMENT AND THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR US TO HAUL IT DOWN THERE.
AND ON THAT NOTE, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED, I DO WANT TO SAY ALSO I HAVE AN AMAZING STAFF FROM TOP TO BOTTOM AND THE CONVENIENCE CENTERS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
THEY, WE DIDN'T, AND WE DIDN'T LIMIT SERVICES ALL THROUGH COVID THE GUYS REALLY STEPPED UP, BUT THROUGH EVERY DIVISION, TOP TO BOTTOM, MY MANAGERS, MY SUPERVISORS, THEY, THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB.
THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT THE COUNTY, SO, YUP.
UH, CHAD LAMPKINS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M THE DIRECTOR FOR PARKS AND RECREATION HERE AT GOOCHLAND.
AND TODAY I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF PRESENTING OUR ANNUAL REPORT AS WELL AS THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR VIRGINIA COOPERATIVE EXTENSION.
SO KEY FUNCTIONS FOR PARKS AND REC.
WE OVERSEE AND EVALUATE ALL OF THE RECREATIONAL PROGRAMMING FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS.
WE COORDINATE THE COUNTY SPECIAL EVENTS.
UH, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR LOCAL NONPROFITS AND OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO ENSURE THAT THEIR PROGRAMS ARE SUCCESSFUL AS WELL AS WE MANAGE THE USE AND THE SCHEDULING OF ALL OF THE PUBLIC REC FACILITIES, UH, AS SCOTT HAD MENTIONED, COVID HAD A GREAT IMPACT ON OUR DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
UH, TOGETHER WITH GENERAL SERVICES, WE ACTUALLY OPERATED 13 CLINIC DAYS AT CENTRAL HIGH SIX FULL SEVEN HALF.
AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, TEAMWORK INVOLVED IN THAT WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FIRE RESCUE.
I KNOW I'M LEAVING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE OUT, BUT THAT WAS A TRUE TEAM, UH, LIFT THERE.
AND I BELIEVE MOST, I THINK ALL OF YOU ACTUALLY MADE IT OUT TO A COUPLE OF THOSE CLINIC DAYS THERE.
SO IT WAS DEFINITELY, UM, DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE NOTED AS IT DID GREATLY IMPACT OUR DEPARTMENTS.
UH, WE ALSO SUPPORTED LOCAL AND REGIONAL COVID EFFORTS.
WE HAD PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF SUPPORT THE REGIONAL CALL CENTER AS WELL AS REGIONAL CLINICS AT THE RACEWAY.
UM, AND IN THE ASHLAND FOOD LINE, OVERALL, AS FAR AS OUR DEPARTMENT, RESER RESERVATIONS DECREASED BY 26%, WHICH SHOULD NOT BE TOO SHOCKING AS PEOPLE WEREN'T MEETING, THEY DID NOT NEED OUR SPACE TO MEET.
UH, SINCE THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GATHER PARK VISITATION INCREASED 6% OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THAT'S A 15% INCREASE FROM FY 19.
SO THAT JUST YOU, HOW MUCH PEOPLE GOT OUT DURING COVID AND INTO THE PARKS AND HOW MUCH THEY ENJOYED IT.
A REVENUE INCREASED 43% FROM LAST YEAR, WHICH SOUNDS FANTASTIC.
AND IT IS CONSIDERING WE OPERATED 12 MONTHS IN A COVID, UM, ATMOSPHERE.
HOWEVER, THAT IS STILL 25% BELOW A NON COVID YEAR.
BUT I DO HAVE TO SAY OUR COORDINATORS, UH, WORKED TIRELESSLY TO COME UP WITH NEW WAYS, TO GET PEOPLE ENGAGED AND GATHERED UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAD TO FOLLOW.
THIS SLIDE JUST SHOWS OUR OVERVIEW OF THE PAST THREE FISCAL YEARS FOR OUR MEASURABLES.
AS FAR AS REGISTRATION, REVENUE AND VISITATION ON THERE, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT OUR REGISTRATION FOR FY 21 WAS 2,998.
NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT FYI 19, IT WAS 2,107, THAT IS MAINLY TIED TO OUR DECISION TO REVAMP OUR ZONE PROGRAM AND MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
UH, WITH THE COVID REGULATIONS, WE NOTICED THAT OUR REC SOUND PROGRAM WAS NOT MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE FAMILIES WITH THE NEW COVID RULES.
SCHOOL WAS LETTING OUT EARLIER FAMILIES NEEDED SOMEWHERE FOR THEIR KIDS TO GO.
SO INSTEAD OF OFFERING ONE DAY A WEEK, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND EXPAND TO FIVE DAYS A WEEK BECAUSE OF HOW THAT PROGRAM WAS RUN.
UM, THE REGISTRATIONS LOOK HIGHER.
IT WAS EACH DAY FOR EACH CHILD WAS CAMP COUNTED AS ONE REGISTRATION.
SO WHICH GAVE PARENTS THE FLEXIBILITY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY WERE FIREFIGHTERS OR NURSES AND THEY DIDN'T NEED AFTERSCHOOL CARE EVERY DAY.
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NEEDED ON TUESDAY.THEY ONLY PAID FOR TUESDAY, WHICH IS UNIQUE.
NOT A LOT OF PLACES OFFER THAT FLEXIBILITY GOALS AND ACCOMPLISH YEAH, PARKS AND REC.
OVER THE, THE LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE COMPLETED A BENCHMARK UPDATE OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.
WE OPENED THE HIDDEN ROCK BARK PARK AND CONNECTOR TRAIL.
AS SCOTT MENTIONED EARLIER, OPENED THE TUCKER PART, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, AS WELL AS THE ARCHERY PARK THERE, WE ALSO RECEIVED A $10,000 GRANT FROM DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR TRUE PARKS.
IT SHOULD BE FINISHED IN OCTOBER.
UH, THE GOOCHLAND HISTORY CENTER IN COURTHOUSE GREEN RECEIVED A NATIONAL AWARD THROUGH NAGPRA, WHICH IS THE FIRST NATIONAL AWARD FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
AND WE WERE RECOGNIZED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES FOR HISTORICAL HIGHWAY MARKER AT CENTRAL HIGH IN MARCH.
THAT MARKER IS CURRENTLY BEING MADE AND SHOULD BE INSTALLED NEXT MONTH.
UH, OVERALL OUR SPECIAL EVENTS TOTALED 1,648, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN PAST YEARS, UH, DUE TO US HAVING TO EITHER CANCEL, POSTPONE OR MODIFY OUR SPECIAL EVENTS DUE TO COVID REGULATIONS.
MOVING ON TO VIRGINIA COOPERATIVE EXTENSION, THEIR KEY FUNCTIONS ARE TO PROVIDE PROGRAMS RELATED TO AGRICULTURAL NATURAL RESOURCES.
THEY WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH THE PUBLIC SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY TO IMPLEMENT, DEVELOP AND EVALUATE PROGRAMS. THEY ALSO SERVE AS THE LOCAL CONNECTION FOR THE VIRGINIA LAND GRANT INSTITUTIONS AND RESEARCH-BASED INFORMATION.
THEY ALSO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR AGRICULTURALLY FOCUSED, SUCH AS
AGAIN, COVID HAD A HUGE IMPACT ON THEIR OPERATIONS AS WELL.
MULTIPLE EVENTS WERE CANCELED, MODIFIED, UH, THAT'S A LIST THERE OF THEIR EVENTS THAT WERE CANCELED.
UH, AS NICOLE MENTIONED EARLIER, WHEN SHE INTRODUCED THE NEW STAFF MEMBER, THEY HAVE A WEEK LONG OVERNIGHT CAMP, UH, WHICH THEY WERE ABLE TO HOLD THIS YEAR, MEANING LAST WEEK, BUT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO HOLD IN 2020 ALSO THAT POSITION WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED AND, UM, FORTUNATELY COVID HIT, SO IT WAS PULLED.
UH, SO THAT POSITION WAS FROZEN UNTIL THIS PAST YEAR.
UH, THE SLIDE WILL SHOW YOU THEIR GOALS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
THEY HAD SIX EDUCATIONAL CLUBS, 37 CLUB MEETINGS, 90 YOUTH CLUB ENROLLEES 45 IN SCHOOL PARTICIPATIONS.
THEY ALSO CONDUCTED 211 SOIL SAMPLES, 48, WELL WATER SAMPLES, AND THEY HELD 43 VISITS.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE THERE WHEN THEY HANDED OUT THE TREE SAPLINGS AT CENTRAL.
AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND NICOLE IS HERE FOR JEN? UH, YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE REPORT, MS. KLEINBERG BACK ON PAGE FOUR, I THINK IT WAS WHERE YOU WERE SHOWING, UM, THE, THE CHART OF THE REGISTRY REGISTRATIONS.
WELL, I'LL JUST USE THE MOUSE.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT FOR A SECOND.
SO, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUESTIONING WHETHER WE NEEDED THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE DOING.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IN 21, WE WERE COUNTING THE CHILDREN ON A DAILY BASIS.
NOW THE DIFFERENCES IN FYI 20 AND FYI 19 PREVIOUS YEARS, OUR REXANN PROGRAM WAS SAY A SIX WEEK PROGRAM ONE DAY A WEEK.
SO INSTEAD OF THAT ONE CHILD BEING COUNTED SIX DAYS, THEY WERE COUNTED ONCE BECAUSE THEY REGISTERED FOR ONE PROGRAM.
UNFORTUNATELY THAT STRUCTURE DID NOT WORK WITH THE, THE NEW SYSTEM.
SO TO SPEAK OF HOW, OF HOW THINGS SHOOK OUT WITH COVID.
UM, INSTEAD OF IT BEING, IT WAS AN ENRICHMENT OPPORTUNITY, THEN WE STILL DO THOSE SAME ACTIVITIES.
WE JUST HAD TO REVAMP HOW THE PARENTS COULD REGISTER AND HOW THE KIDS COULD PARTICIPATE.
AND IT'S GREAT TO BE THAT FLEXIBLE.
AND I'M SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF PARENTS WHO REALLY APPRECIATED THE FLEXIBILITY, BUT I'M STILL QUESTIONING THE RETINA.
SO YOU CHANGE THE METHOD OF REGISTRATION.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO POINT OUT THE DIFFERENCE THERE.
AND I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT NUMBER OF HOW MANY KIDS WERE IN THAT PROGRAM TO SHOW A MORE DIRECT AS FAR AS THE OKAY.
I MEAN, YEAH, SO IT'S, AND AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO COMPARE, AND EVERYONE'S DOING THIS RIGHT.
YOU COMPARING COVID YEARS AND NON COVID YEARS AND PRIOR YEARS.
SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S WHAT OKAY.
BUT THAT, THAT JUMP IS MORE IN MYTHOLOGY OF WAY.
DID IT, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HOW MANY STUDENTS OR HOW MANY CHILDREN WERE INVOLVED IN THAT PROGRAM? WE INDIVIDUAL STUDENTS, UH, I WOULD SAY WE HAVE AT LEAST 40 INDIVIDUAL STUDENTS, BUT THEY WEREN'T FULL-TIME RIGHT.
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UH, SO I CAN SAY IF I'M REMEMBERING THE NUMBER CORRECTLY, AND I DO NOT WANT TO MISSPEAK, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS OVER 300 OF THOSE REGISTRATIONS WERE WREXHAM.BECAUSE WE ONLY OFFERED IT FROM, I BELIEVE, FEBRUARY, RIGHT UP MIKE, I WANT AT THE TIME.
THANK YOU, MR. UM, SO FOR YOUR, THE SLOTS FOR THE CAMPS THIS YEAR, HOW MANY FILLED UP ALL OF THEM PRETTY QUICKLY WHEN WE, YES, WE PLAN OUR SUMMER CAMPS IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY.
AND AT THE TIME WE WERE OPERATING UNDER COVID 50%.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE PLANNED FOR 50%.
UM, AND WE HAD, I BELIEVE IN MAY, WE HAD A WAITING LIST OF OVER 70 KIDS.
SO WE WORKED WITH OUR INSTRUCTORS, AS REGULATIONS BEGAN TO EASE, AND WE STARTED TO PULL THEM IN.
UH, WE HAVE HAD SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY GO ON VACATION, SO THEY DROP OUT OF CAMP.
SO WE'LL HAVE A SPOT POP UP HERE AND THERE, BUT WE WERE PRETTY MUCH FULL BY JUNE.
IF YOU GO OVER THERE, I HAPPENED TO BE AT CENTRAL HIGH, AROUND 1130 ISH WHEN PEOPLE ARE PICKING UP AND JUST TO SEE THE KID, LIKE THE OTHER PROJECTS.
AND IT'S REALLY AN AMAZING THING.
AND I THINK IF YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS, SOMETIMES YOU'RE NOT AS KEYED IN ON THIS BOOT.
IT'S AN AMAZING PROGRAM THAT YOU GUYS ARE OFFERING.
AND JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE REALLY BENEFITING FROM, UM, I DID, I, I, MAYBE I SHOULD ASK MR. FOSTER, BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DARK? THAT WOULD BE MORE OF SCOTT, BUT I CAN, AS HE'S WALKING UP HERE, I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, KIND OF REVITALIZED GARC.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN MEETING ON AND OFF LAST FOUR MONTHS NOW, AND I BELIEVE AS YOU'RE AWARE, MR. SPOON HOW'RE THAT THE CITIZEN HAS, HAS STEPPED UP AND THEY'RE KIND OF TAKEN OWNERSHIP OF THAT.
AND THEY'RE TAKING THAT THAT OVER AND, UM, EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT WITH HOW CAME AT IT AND WHAT IT IS.
IT'S THE, UH, GOOCHLAND ANTI, UH, LOADER AND RECYCLE COUNCIL.
UM, GARG, IT CAME UP LEE ON, I BELIEVE STARTED THIS OF QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO AND IT WAS HANDED OVER TO, UM, DWAYNE JONES, THE CONVENIENCE CENTER MANAGER, AND IT JUST FIZZLED OUT PEOPLE LOST INTEREST OR PEOPLE THAT WERE VOLUNTEERS IN IT.
CITIZENS GOT OLDER, LEFT THE COUNTY, WHATEVER HAPPENED.
SO IT'S BEEN RE REVITALIZED, UM, MR. SPOON, HOW HAS BEEN A BIG PART OF THAT, WHERE WE'VE HAD MEETINGS AND IT'S REALLY, IT SEEMS TO BE TAKEN OFF.
THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE HAVING STUDENTS, YOU KNOW, HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS ARE GETTING INVOLVED AS WELL AS THEIR PARENTS.
AND THE MAIN FOCUS IS TO HOW CAN WE ATTACK THIS LITTER THAT WE HAVE ON SIDE OF THE ROAD AND GARC IS LOOKING AT IT AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING THEIR OWN THING, BUT I KNOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT, NOT JUST PICKING IT UP, BUT HOW DO WE STOP IT? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET THE EDUCATION OUT THERE? AND THEY'RE GOING AS FAR AS GOING TO LIKE THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND THE CONVENIENCE CENTERS AND TRYING TO GET SOME LABELS ON SOME BAGS, YOU KNOW, JUST AWARENESS, TRYING TO GET IT OUT THERE TO, UH, HOPEFULLY MAKE PEOPLE CHANGE THE, THE, THE DECISION OF THROWING IT OUT THE WINDOW.
AND IT'S A SHAME WHEN THE DITCHES GET FILLED UP WITH THE TRASH.
SO I'M JUST VERY CITIZENRY HERE.
YOU KNOW, WE HEARD, UM, SOME FOLKS COME UP, UM, IT WAS THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT I GOT WHEN I GOT ON THE BOARD.
UM, AND TYPICALLY IF YOU COMPLAIN, YOU MIGHT GET A CALL FROM ME TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.
SO, UM, IT GOT REVITALIZED AND THIS IS CITIZENS AND THE COUNTY'S HELPING, WE'RE GIVING THEM A PLACE TO MEET, BUT WE HAVE TWO GREAT CO-CHAIRS, UM, THAT ARE, ARE, THEY'RE REALLY OWNING THIS.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT SHOULD WORK.
SO I'M JUST REALLY PROUD OF THE CITIZENS.
AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR, FOR HELPING TO ORGANIZE IT AS WELL, AND PEOPLE CAN GET INVOLVED.
UM, WE, UM, I THINK, UH, WE JUST HAVE TO GET THE NOTICE OUT AGAIN.
WE WE'VE DID SOME, UH, ADVERTISING THROUGH THE GOOCHLAND GAZETTE AND THROUGH SOME SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT, UM, IT'S OPEN TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO GET INVOLVED IN ALL DISTRICTS AND CITIZENS.
WE'VE GOT PROBABLY WHAT 15 ISH FOLKS NOW IS THAT RIGHT KNOW BETWEEN 10 AND 15 CITIZENS THAT ARE ACTIVELY HELPING ORGANIZE IT.
AND, UH, ONE MORE ITEM BEFORE WE HAVE A CLOSED MEETING AS APPOINTMENTS, AND WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 APPOINTMENTS BEFORE US BOARD MEMBERS
[5. 4075: Appointments - August 1, 2021]
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WHAT THE DB IS AFTER THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.SO DB DB, I WONDER IF THAT WAS LIKE A DEGREE HE HAD OR SOMETHING DB SMITH.
UM, THAT'S FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, REAPPOINTMENT EFFECTIVE A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO FOR FOUR YEAR TERM, UH, THE CAPITAL AREA ALCOHOL SECTOR ACTION PROGRAM, UH, JUDGE CARPENTER AND BUZZ CO FOR, UH, JULY 1ST, JUNE 1ST, RESPECTIVELY, BOTH THREE-YEAR TERMS, UM, REC UH, BOB WHEATLEY FOR THE RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO FOR A TWO YEAR TERM, UH, ENDING JULY 31ST AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST THE R T P O UH, SEATAC AS BOB BASHAM.
UH, THE APPOINTMENT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE JUNE 1ST, 2020 1 42 YEAR TERM ENDING MAY 30TH, 2023.
ARE THERE, UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE APPOINTMENTS AND WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS IF, IF NEED BE, BUT IS THERE A MOTION TO START US OFF? MR. CHAIR? I MOVED THAT THE GUCCI COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED SECOND.
D TWO AND D ONE, YOU GUYS NEED TO QUIT WITH THE BUTTON.
UM, SO ANY DISCUSSION ON, ON THESE APPOINTMENTS? UM, MR. CHAIR, YES.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET MR. BASHAM BECAUSE HIS NAME CAME UP IN A MEETING AND I HAD NO IDEA WHO HE WAS OR WHAT HE WAS DOING.
HE HAS BEEN SERVING ON THIS BOARD FOR A LONG TIME, AND I WOULD, I HOPE MEET MAYBE SOMETHING OUR INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MIGHT BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT IS, UM, SOME SORT OF JUST RECOGNITION, WHETHER IT BE COMING HERE FOR MEETING OR DOING SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKING THIS COUNTY.
RON TAKES A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE AND WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE AND I'D LOVE FOR THEM TO, TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR THAT.
SO MAYBE IF WE COULD DO THAT, MR. THANK YOU, MR. SPOONER.
THAT IS DEFINITELY A TRUE STATEMENT.
THAT TAKES A LOT OF FOLKS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT STEP UP AND A LOT OF THEM SHOW UP EVERY, EVERY YEAR OR EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS AS SHOWN HERE.
UM, SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
IT SOUNDED UNANIMOUS IS UNANIMOUS.
SO NOW IF A BOARD MEMBER WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR US TO GO, GO INTO CLOSED SESSION, THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA PUBLISHED AGENDA SPEAKS TO A CLOSED MEETING FOR THE PURPOSE OF RECRUITING, AN INTERIM AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION.
THERE IS A REVISED CORRECTED MOTION BEFORE US ON THE PAPER WHERE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING INTO CLOSED SESSION FOR PURPOSES OF RECRUITMENT FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATOR POSITION ONLY SECOND.
WELL, AND THAT WAS JUST MY LONG, UM, MR. CHAIR IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF VIRGINIA CODE TWO, THAT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 A AND THE BULL LEGS ONE, THE BULL LEGS.
I MOVED THAT THE GOOSSEN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE IN A CLOSED MEETING FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION REGARDING RECRUITMENT FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION.
WE'RE GOING INTO CLOSE MEETING AND WE WILL BE BACK TO CERTIFY BEFORE DINNER TIME.
[6. 4088: Motion to enter a Closed Meeting for the purpose of discussion regarding]
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WE'RE BACK, UM, OUT OF CLOSE MEETING AND, UH, MISS LAST GLAD YOU DIDN'T WANT TO READ I'LL I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.AS CHAIR PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE TWO TO 2 37, 12 D I MOVED THE GUCCI COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HERE BY CERTIFIED AT THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE, ONE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTER LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AND TO ALWAYS HAVE PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION CONVENING.
THE CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED BY GRIFFIN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN THE CLOSED MEETING.
THANK YOU, MISS LAST, COLETTE.
WE ARE CERTIFIED TO CLOSE MEETING PROPERLY, AND WE ARE NOW GOING TO TAKE A RECESS UNTIL SIX O'CLOCK DINNER, DINNER BREAK.
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EVENING SESSION OF THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.[XII. Call to Order, 6:00 PM]
START WITH CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ABOUT ANY MATTER GERMANE TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
[XIII. Citizen Comment]
SEE THE LIGHT IS RED PRESSED THE BUTTON ON THE MIC THERE.THANK YOU, MS. SHERRY, THE LIGHT WILL TURN YELLOW THERE ON THE PODIUM WHEN YOU HAVE A MINUTE LEFT AND, UH, IT'LL TURN RED.
WHEN THE THREE MINUTES ARE UP, WE ASK THAT YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
IF YOU'RE HERE FOR ONE OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT, THEY ARE JUST THAT PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO THERE'LL BE A CHANCE AND AN INVITATION.
AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE VARIOUS PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, SO PLEASE USE THIS TIME FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT OFTEN THE COUNTY WILL PRESENT AND THEN, UH, WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND WE'LL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING, BUT KIND OF WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO MOVE FORWARD, TO COME ON UP.
IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO US NOW, PLEASE DO SO COME ON, COME ON, COME ON UP AND WELCOME.
YEAH, JUST, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME BEEN HERE, SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THEM IN THE RIGHT ORDER.
YOU'RE YOU'RE STARTING US OFF PERFECTLY.
AND, UH, UH, THREE MINUTES, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
ALSO HAVE A PICTURE THAT I LIKED TO SHOW IT.
SHOULD I JUST HAND IT TO YOU NOW? YOU CAN, YOU CAN.
UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT DURING THE PRESENTATION, I THINK PROBABLY JUST BEST TO GIVE IT TO MS. PASKOWITZ AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT LATER IF IT'S YELLOW LIGHT.
YEAH, NO, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THAT.
IT'S GOING TO TURN GREEN WHEN SHE STARTS THE TIMER AND THEN THE THREE MINUTES OF STOMACH.
AND IF YOU REVERSE, SO HOPEFULLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINE.
UM, AND GETTING US, GETTING US STARTED.
SO, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
MY NAME IS SUSAN WRIGHT AND I'M A RECENT RESIDENT AT PARKSIDE VILLAGES NEWEST, AND NOW ALMOST COMPLETED SECTION FOUR.
I'M HERE TO REQUEST THAT EAGLE CONTINUE TO EXTEND STRAD SET ROAD AS ORIGINALLY PROMISED, YOU'LL SEE, IN THE PICTURE INTO SECTION FIVE, SO THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WILL BE MINIMIZED ON THE NOW COMPLETED RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
HONESTLY, I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN A THIRD ENTRANCE INTO PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
MA'AM LET ME INTERRUPT YOU BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE UP LATER.
NO, BUT IT PROBABLY JUST GOING TO BE BETTER IF WE HEAR FROM YOUR, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT AFTER WE, THAT'S WHAT I WONDERED.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING CLEAR.
SO, UM, COME ON BACK UP WHEN WE HAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY WISHED TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ABOUT ANY MATTER? THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
UH, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME FORWARD, I GUESS.
LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY'S HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND, AND START RIGHT INTO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
[XIV. Public Hearings]
FINANCIAL MATTERS.UH, RESOLUTION AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR, 2022 COUNTY BUDGET WITH SOME APPROPRIATIONS AND OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR
[1. 4087: Resolution amending the Fiscal Year 2022 Goochland County Budget by]
BARBARA HORLOCKER WILL PRESENT GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, BARBARA HORLOCKER, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.UM, WE, WE ARE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT AS REQUIRED BY THE VIRGINIA CODE BECAUSE, UM, THE, UH, THE CODE REQUIRES THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO AMEND YOUR BUDGET MORE THAN 1%
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OF YOUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES OF YOUR COAT CURRENTLY ADOPTED BUDGET, YOU NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, UM, REQUESTS SOME AMENDMENTS.UM, FIRST OF ALL, SOME COUNTY AMENDMENTS, UM, THE, UM, PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IS REQUESTING A APPROPRIATION OF $40,000 TO THEIR OPERATING BUDGET FOR A TRUCK FOR MERGING, MOVING LARGE ITEMS, A PICKUP TRUCK, UM, THE, UM, CIP, THERE'S A REQUEST FOR $125,000 OF, UM, COUNTYWIDE SECURITY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, THERE IS A REQUEST FOR 150, 3000 IN THE CIP FOR, UH, CENTRAL CONVENIENCE CENTER IMPROVEMENTS.
AND ALL OF THESE WOULD BE PAID FOR, UM, BY, UH, FUNDS THAT YOU EARLIER TODAY ASSIGNED IN THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE.
THE OTHER SET OF AMENDMENTS, UM, OUR FY 22 BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR THE SCHOOLS.
THIS IS, THESE ARE ALL FEDERAL FUNDS THAT THEY, UM, WOULD LIKE TO APPROPRIATE TO THEIR GRANT PHONE, THEIR FEDERAL FUND.
THIS IS, THESE ARE MULTI-YEAR PROJECTS AND THESE FUNDS CARRY FORWARD FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
AND THEY, THEY, UH, HAVE PLANS THAT TO SPEND THESE FUNDS OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
UM, SO THERE'S SOME SPECIAL EDUCATION FUNDS, SOME PRESCHOOL SPECIAL EDUCATION FUNDS, UH, ACADEMIC RECOVERY FUNDS, BALANCE CALENDAR FUNDS.
AND, UM, AND, AND THEN A MULTITUDE OF ALL OTHER USES THAT ARE MENTIONED IN YOUR PACKET FOR, UH, SOME OF THOSE GRANT FUNDS.
AND, UM, THE SCHOOLS HAVE REPRESENTATIVES HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THEIR FUNDS, UM, OR THEIR APPROPRIATIONS.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE COUNTY SIDE, I'M HERE FOR, UH, QUESTIONS AS WELL.
THANK YOU, MS. HORLACHER BOARD MEMBERS.
ANY QUESTIONS? I CAN GET THAT.
UM, SO MS. HALL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE SCHOOLS WANTS TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION OR NOT.
SO THEY WERE SPENDING FEDERAL FUNDS, UH, FOR THE ITEMS THAT THEY'VE LISTED.
AND MY QUESTION IS, IS HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY IS A ONE, ONE TIME USE VERSUS, UM, OPERATIONAL REOCCURRING EXPENSES.
MISS LASKA, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT, UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FUNDS INCLUDED IN THIS REQUEST BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING ARE FOR ONE-TIME USE IS RECOGNIZING THAT THESE ARE GRANT FUNDS AND THAT THEY WILL ULTIMATELY EXPIRE.
SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A FUNDING CLIFF ASSOCIATED WITH ANY SORT OF FEDERAL GRANT FUNDS.
UH, THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THAT IS LARGELY THE BALANCED CALENDAR, UH, CONCEPT.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY IT'S A CONCEPT AT THIS POINT IN TIME AS THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS NOT APPROVED THAT THAT WAS COMPETITIVE GRANT THAT THE SCHOOL DIVISION APPLIED FOR, FOR STARTUP COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
IF THAT IS APPROVED AND CONTINUES AS A LONG-TERM, UM, INSTRUCTIONAL INITIATIVE, THEN THAT WOULD BE ULTIMATELY AN OPERATIONAL COST AT THE SCHOOL DIVISION WOULD HAVE TO ABSORB INTO ITS FUTURE OPERATIONAL BUDGET, BUT THERE ARE MINOR EXPENDITURES HERE OR THERE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD CONTINUE AS AN OPERATIONAL ITEM, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE REQUESTS ARE ONE-TIME EXPENSES AND A FOLLOW-UP.
SO THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 600,000.
HIS MO IS SOME OF THAT ALSO JUST PLAIN STARTUP OF THAT PROGRAM VERSUS AN ONGOING EXPENSE STARTUP COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
FOR EXAMPLE, UH, RIGHT NOW THERE ARE INTERVENTIONISTS WHO WOULD BE, UM, WHO ARE BEING HIRED TO PLAN THIS CONCEPT.
AND SO THERE ARE STARTUP COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, ANY SORT OF MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES FOR ANY SORT OF INTERCESSION OPPORTUNITY, THAT WOULD BE A PART OF A CHANGE IN THE CALENDAR.
UH, AND THEN WE FEEL THAT ULTIMATELY OVER TIME, THE COST OF OPERATING WOULD BE REDUCED ONCE WE HAVE THOSE STARTUP COSTS TAKEN CARE OF.
REALLY JUST UP HERE IN DIVING RIGHT IN, BUT YOU DIDN'T INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
SO I'M GOING TO SAY THIS IS JEREMY REILEY SUPERINTENDENT OF GOODSON COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE LETTER AND OBVIOUSLY THESE COME TO US AFTER THE SCHOOL BOARD APPROVES IT.
AND SO THE SCHOOL BOARD APPROVED THIS REQUEST BUDGET REQUEST, UM, ON, AT YOUR LAST MEETING IN JULY.
AND IT DOES SAY IT'S TYING TO MS. LAST COLETTE'S QUESTIONS.
UM, IT SAYS THESE FEDERAL AWARDS RECORDED IN OUR FEDERAL GRANT FUND CAN BE USED OVER MULTIPLE YEARS.
UM, SO ARE WE APPROPRIATING, UH, JUST ONE FISCAL
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YEAR OR ARE WE, ARE THEY'RE GOING TO WE'RE APPROPRIATING EVERYTHING.AND DO YOU PLAN TO USE, HOW DOES THAT TIMING WORK? I GUESS THEIR GRANTS FUND WORKS KIND OF LIKE OUR CIP PHONE AND THAT ONCE YOU APPROPRIATED IT, THEN IT CARRIES FORWARD.
SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO SEE IT AGAIN, BUT THEY WILL USE IT OVER A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS.
RAILEY OR BACK TO MS. HORLOCKER ON THE COUNTY SIDE.
SO WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS FIRST ITEM.
ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD IN FAVOR, OPPOSED, OR JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS TOPIC? COME FORWARD, SAME RULES APPLY.
JUST PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BUDGET AMENDMENT ITEM.
SEEING NOBODY'S COMING FORWARD, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND INVITE BOARD DISCUSSION AND EMOTION PLEASE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT THE GOODSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVES THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 GOODSON COUNTY BUDGET BY BUDGETING AND APPROPRIATING $2,716,485 IN THE COUNTY GENERAL FUND, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND IN THE SCHOOL GRANT FUND.
THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON AND MS. LASKA, LET, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NONE ROLL CALL VOTE SUPERVISOR LAST GLEN.
AND THIS SECOND ITEM IS A RESOLUTION OF BANDING, JUST A LITTLE SHY OF TWO TENTHS OF A MODEL OF THREE CHOPT ROAD
[2. 4039: Resolution Abandoning 0.197± Mile of Three Chopt Road (State Route 622)]
ALONG BROAD STREET, EAST OF 2 88 AND, UH, MS. SHERRY, OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I AM JAMIE SHERRY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, UM, I WILL BE PRESENTING THIS EVENING IS A REQUEST FROM, UM, LJP PROPERTIES, LLC, REQUESTING TO ABANDON W UM, 0.19 SEVENTH OF A MILE OF A SEGMENT OF THREE CHOPRA ROAD.
UM, LJP PROPERTIES IS THE OWNER OF THE PARCEL IS A BUDDING THIS APPLICABLE SEGMENT OF THREE CHOP ROAD AND INCLUDES VACANT PARCELS AS WELL AS THE PAGE AUDI DEALERSHIP.
UH, THIS REQUEST IS BEING MADE IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR A MUCH MORE COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SURROUNDING PARCELS.
UH, THE PORTION OF THREE CHOP ROAD, UM, IS LOCATED.
UM, LET'S SEE, UH, UH, BROAD STREET TO THIS BROAD STREET ROAD TO THE SOUTH ROUTE 2 88 TO THE WEST DRIVE SHACK TO THE NORTH AND FOUR RINGS DRIVE TO THE EAST FOUR RINGS DRIVE PROVIDES AN ALTERNATE PARALLEL ACCESS TO THE NORTH.
UH, THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH.
IT IS NEWLY CONSTRUCTED, UH, BUILT TO BE DOT STANDARDS.
IT IS FOUR LANES AND IT IS SIGNALIZED AT BROAD STREET.
SO IT IS, UM, UH, A BETTER ROAD TO ACTUALLY ACCESS THOSE BACK PROPERTIES.
UH, THERE WAS PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIRED FOR THIS, UM, THIS REQUEST.
UH, WE HAD NEWSPAPER ADVERTISEMENT.
UH, THE STREET ITSELF HAS BEEN POSTED FOR THE PAST 30 DAYS, AND THEN SOME WITH, UH, SIGNS STATING THE INTENT TO ABANDON.
WE HAVE RECEIVED NO COMMENT, UM, IN OUR OFFICE AT ALL.
UM, V DOT, UH, WILL NOT APPROVE THIS REQUEST FOR THE ABANDONMENT WITHOUT LOCAL GOVERNMENT BODY PROVIDING SUPPORT, WHICH IS WHY, UH, THE RESOLUTION IS BEFORE YOU ALL THIS EVENING.
THAT ESSENTIALLY CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, UH, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
THANK YOU, MS. SHERRY, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT, THANKS.
SO WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M MORE GRUNENTHAL FROM RALPH JACKSON ON YOUR OWN BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, AND WE JUST ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO ADD.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK.
THIS IS AGAIN A PUBLIC HEARING.
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TO ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS APPLICATION FOR AGAINST ANY COMMENTS.WE THINK ALL OF THESE ARE GOING TO GO LIKE THIS.
SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD AND BORDEN IN A DISCUSSION, AND WE CAN SHARE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MS. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION ABANDONING 0.1 97 PLUS OR MINUS MILE OF THREE CHOPT ROADS, STATE, ROUTE 6 22, LOCATED NORTH OF BROAD STREET ROAD, US ROUTE TWO 50 EAST OF STATE, ROUTE 2 88 AND WEST OF FOUR RINGS DRIVE STATE ROUTE 1 0 5 7 IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, EMOTION.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I DO HAVE JUST ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED TONIGHT, THEN V DOT THEN HAS THE NEXT STEP AND ACTUALLY ABANDONED THE ROAD.
IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S A PROCESS.
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH SHARON CONFIRM.
THAT THIS WOULD THEN GO TO THE V DOT COMMISSIONER AND THE DECISION WILL BE MADE AT THAT LEVEL.
AND SO LET'S JUST SAY THEY APPROVE, WE APPROVE IT.
THEN WHAT HAPPENS, I MEAN, IS THE ROAD LITERALLY BLOCKED OFF FROM BROAD STREET? HOW DOES THAT PHYSICALLY WORK? UM, NO, THIS WILL BE CONSIDERED STILL JUST AN ACCESS EASEMENT THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON KEEPING IT OPEN.
I DO KNOW THAT THEY ARE, AND THIS PROBABLY MIGHT BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO KEEP THE ROAD OPEN AND, UH, BACK TO THE, UM, THE DRIVE SHACK PROPERTY.
SO THEN JUST, IT GOES FROM BEING A STATE MAINTAINED ROAD TO A PRIVATE ROAD.
I BELIEVE ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DO IS THEY TAKE, IF IT HAS A ROUTE NUMBER ON IT, THEY OF COURSE REMOVED THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE INDICATIVE OF, OF A VITA.
AND IT HAS A STREET SIGN ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THERE TODAY, BUT THERE IS A STREET SIGN THAT SAYS THREE CHOP RIGHT ON IT CURRENTLY.
WOULD THIS BE PERHAPS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH.
UM, I ACTUALLY, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WAS A STREET SIGN THERE AND I JUST DROVE IT AGAIN.
I JUST DROVE IT MAYBE 45 MINUTES AGO.
UM, UH, THE, UM, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE STREET SIGN, UH, STAYS OR NOT THE, THE STREET WOULD, IT WOULD REMAIN OPEN, UH, AND THAT THERE WOULD BE ACCESS, UM, TO THE, UM, FOR THE REAR PARCELS THAT WOULD REMAIN.
UM, AND ONE OF THE IMPORTANT FACTORS, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE THE ROAD IS NOT TO BE DOTTED STANDARDS TODAY.
UH, SO IT'S, IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE AS PART OF SORT OF THE GROWTH OF THAT AREA.
HE WOULD, DID DUPLICATE THE, UH, THE FOUR-LANE ROAD.
THEY'RE JUST RIGHT THERE WITH A SIGNAL.
THEY DON'T, WON'T BE BLOCKED OFF LIGHT AND THE APPLICANT WOULD MAINTAIN IT.
THANK YOU, MR. CARNESVILLE IF THERE IS A STREET SIGN AND WE'LL GO FROM THE GREEN STREET SIGN TO THE BROWN STREET SIGN, IF THIS IS APPROVED.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION IS MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION SEEING NONE? WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
NEXT PUBLIC HEARING PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER THREE, UM, IS ALSO GOING TO BE PRESENTED BY MS. SHERRY.
[3. 4082: District 4 - CU-2011-00002A - Application by JNE Enterprises, LLC t/a]
IT'S AN APPLICATION BY J AND J ENTERPRISES TRADING.IS CAR NET REGARDING A RENEWAL OF A CUP? YES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, JAMIE SHERRY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS IS A RENEWAL FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, THAT IS LOCATED, LET'S SEE.
AND THE NORTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY, IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, JUST, UH, WEST OF 2 88 ON BROAD STREET ROAD.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED B ONE AND IS DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL AND THE CUT BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, AND HERE'S THE AERIAL PHOTO? UM, THE PROPERTY IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
UM, IT IS, UH, JUST NEXT TO 2 88, AS I HAD MENTIONED, UM, THE PROPERTY, UH, SAUDI PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY FLOOR TRADER.
UM, THEY HAVE A RETAIL FLOORING STORE.
UM, THEY HAVE RETAIL OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE SPACE WITHIN THAT BUILDING, UH, CORNET, UM, J J N E ENTERPRISES LEASES ABOUT 300
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SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.UM, THAT IS NOT UTILIZED BY FLOOR TRADERS.
UM, CORNET ORIGINALLY OBTAINED APPROVAL FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE AN AUTOMOBILE SALES BUSINESS IN 2011, THE BOARD, UM, UH, IN 2017, ACTUALLY AMENDED THEIR ORDINANCE TO ALLOW, UH, SALES UNDER THE SAME, UM, UH, CODE SECTION, UM, AND THE B ONE DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE.
SO THIS ALLOWS, UM, CARNET TO ACTUALLY, UH, SO, UH, LARGER VEHICLES, NOT JUST AUTOMOBILES.
UM, SO THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE, UH, THEIR USE AS A MOTOR VEHICLE SALES, UH, DMV DOES ACTUALLY REQUIRE THIS ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE AND, UM, UH, REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE 10 PARKING SPACES.
UM, THEY TYPICALLY ADVERTISE THEIR VEHICLES ON THE INTERNET AND ARE SHOWN BY APPOINTMENT.
UH, NO, NONE OF THE BILL, UH, NONE OF THE CARS ARE STORED WITHIN THE BUILDING AND NO REPAIRS TAKE PLACE ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN SHOWS THE AREA WHERE, UM, CORONET WOULD STORE THEIR VEHICLES THAT THEY HAVE FOR SALE.
AND, UM, WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED THROUGH THE POD IN 2011, UH, THERE WERE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS THAT WERE PLACED THERE FOR THE FLOOR TRADER OPERATIONS, SO THAT THEY WERE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THEY WERE COMPLIANT WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD ON MAY 13TH, UM, BOARD MEMBER, MR. SPOON HOWER WAS IN ATTENDANCE.
UH, THE APP CA APPLICANT DISCUSSED THEIR BUSINESS OPERATIONS, NOBODY FROM THE PUBLIC ATTENDED.
AND SINCE THEN STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS APPLICATION.
UH, WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE BLACK LINE VERSION OF THE 2011 CONDITIONS.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE JUST HOUSEKEEPING TO BRING THEM UP TO DATE WITH OUR CURRENT STANDARDS, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY.
UM, NUMBER ONE SAYS THAT THEY, THEY USE IS, UH, FOR AUTOMOBILE AND MOTOR VEHICLE SALES ON THE PROPERTY.
NUMBER TWO, UH, VEHICLE DISPLAY, UM, THEY'RE ALLOWED NO MORE THAN 10 AUTOMOBILES OR MOTOR VEHICLES.
UM, AND THEY MUST BE LOCATED ON THE, A POD, WHICH IS WHAT I SHOWED YOU IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE ON THE 10 SPACES IDENTIFIED A NUMBER THREE, NO OUTSIDE STORAGE OF PARTS OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH, UH, CAR REPAIRS OR, OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE SIGNS AS PERMITTED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT THEY ARE PERMITTED, UH, PROHIBITED FROM HAVING ANY KIND OF ATTENTION, GETTING SIGNS AND BANNERS, FLAGS, THINGS ON THOSE LINES.
UH, NUMBER FIVE, UM, EXPIRATION, THIS CUP WILL EXPIRE ON THE LAST DAY OF AUGUST, 2036.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST, UM, THE LAST CONDITION IS OUR, UM, STANDARD TRANSFER OR LEASE CONDITION THAT COMPLETES MY APP.
UM, MY APPLICATION, LIKE A PRESENTATION THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
MR. SHARP, UH, WHAT IS LARGER VEHICLES TO FIND THE LARGER VEHICLES? UM, UH, AN AMBULANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY AN AUTOMOBILE, BUT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SELL.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR LARGER VEHICLES.
THEY DO HAVE LIMITED SPACE AND THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED 10, SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE SO MANY LARGE VEHICLES ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
AND, AND, BUT IT'S VEHICLES, NOT TRUCKS WITH CRANES.
AND, UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT TH THE, UM, THE CDP DOES NOT LIMIT THE, UM, THOSE SPECIFIC TYPES OF USES, BUT THE STORAGE IS ALL GOING BACK TO YOUR PICTURE.
THE STORAGE IS ALL BEHIND THE BUILDING IS NOT, IT'S NOT, NO, SIR.
THE, UM, STORAGE IS ACTUALLY AT THE STOREFRONT.
SO I'M HERE IS BROAD STREET ROAD RIGHT HERE, AND THEY WOULD OCCUPY THE SPACES RIGHT HERE.
AND TH THIS, THIS AREA I SHOWED YOU WERE JUST ADDED ON THE SIDE, IF YOU HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT, UM, WHAT THEY, THEY SAID HERE.
SO I WAS JUST SPECULATING ON WHAT THEY COULD SELL.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE THE DEFINITION OF AN AUTOMOBILE VERSUS A MOTOR VEHICLE.
AND AUTOMOBILE IS A MOTOR VEHICLE, BUT MOTIVATED
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WAS NOT AN AUTOMOBILE.15, 15 DASH, 2 86 ORDINANCES TO FIND THEM.
AND IT JUST REFERS MOTOR VEHICLE TRAILER.
SEMITRAILER CLINE DOES PROVIDED IN, IN VIRGINIA CODE 46.2 DASH 100.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ? OH, NO.
DON'T LET ME, I'M JUST, I NEED TO, SO, UM, SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, TWO DIFFERENT ORDINANCES.
SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE DEFINITION OF AUTOMOBILE, UM, SELF-PROPELLED FREE MOVING VEHICLE WITH FOUR WHEELS, USUALLY PRESENTED TO TRANSPORT.
UM, NOT MORE THAN EIGHT PASSENGERS LICENSED BY THE APPROPRIATE STATE AGENCY AS PASSENGER VEHICLE TO INCLUDE LIGHT TRUCKS AND VANS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE AUTOMOBILE WAS IN 2017.
I DO BELIEVE, UM, VEHICLES WOULD BE BACK HERE.
WHAT'D YOU DO? UM, I READ, UM, AUTOMOBILE DEFINITION FROM OUR, FROM OUR STAR CODE.
AND SO IT ACTUALLY HAS VEHICLE GRAVEYARD AND, UH, VEHICLE REPAIR.
UM, YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, I KNEW THAT WE WORKED WITH THE ACTUAL WORDING INHERIT TO MAKE SURE IT DID REFLECT SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE.
GENERALLY MISS ALASKA LET, WHEN THE, WHEN WE CREATED THE TWO CATEGORIES, IT WAS DESIGNED TO HAVE AUTOMOBILE COVER THE TYPES OF THINGS WE DRIVE.
SO UP TO EIGHT PASSENGER, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, LIGHT TRUCKS, MANS, AND CARS.
AND THEN WE LEFT, I BELIEVE EVERYTHING ELSE SORT OF AS A MOTOR VEHICLE.
AND THE CONCEPT IS THAT THERE ARE SOME PLACES THAT WE ONLY WANT AUTOMOBILES TO PARK, AND THERE ARE OTHER PLACES WHERE IT WOULD BE EXTENDED TO MOTOR VEHICLES.
SO ANYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH CAR ON PATTERSON.
WE KNOW THAT THEIR CUP ALLOWS THE PARKING OF MOTOR VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY REGULARLY HAVE VEHICLES THERE.
THEY'RE NOT JUST YOUR PASSENGER AUTOMOBILE.
UM, DID I FILL THAT TIME WHEN
UM, SO IT DOES A LITTLE BIT OF A LONGER DEFINITION, BUT IF IT'S OKAY, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ IT FOR CLARITY, A MOTOR VEHICLE, WHERE ARE YOU READING? I'M READING FROM ARTICLE 31 AND OUR, UM, ZONING ORDINANCE IT'S UNDER, UH, THE DEFINITIONS, UM, MEDICAL MOTOR VEHICLE, EVERY VEHICLE, WHICH IS SELF-PROPELLED OR DESIGNED FOR SELF PROPULSION WITH A GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT OVER 10,000 POUNDS AND EVERY VEHICLE DRAWN OR DESIGNED TO BE DRAWN BY A MOTOR VEHICLE AND INCLUDES EVERY DEVICE IN UPON OR BY WHICH ANY PERSON OR PROPERTY IS OR CAN BE TRANSPORTED OR DRAWN UPON A HIGHWAY, EXCEPT FOR DEVICES MOVED BY HUMAN OR ANIMAL POWER AND DEVICES USE EXCLUSIVELY UPON STATIONARY OR STATIONARY RAILS OR TRACKS, EXCLUDES BICYCLES, UM, ELECTRIC PERSONAL ASSISTANCE, MOTORBOAT, MOBILE DEVICES, ELECTRONIC PA ELECTRONIC POWER ASSISTED BICYCLES, UH, MOTOR BOARD SKATING OR SCOOTERS AND MOPEDS.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE VEHICLES YOU WERE DISCUSSING, UM, MR. SHARP WOULD BE ALLOWED.
I MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT BOARD MEMBERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
I THINK WHAT I CAN COME UP LATER.
NOW, THE APPLICANT, UM, J IN THE ENTERPRISE, IS IT SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD YOU MIND? UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU WANT TO JUST TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE APPLICATION, PLEASE COME UP.
I'M THE OWNER, AND I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS YOUR ANSWER, ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING I NECESSARILY NEED TO ADD.
THANK YOU FOR COMING UP, MR. SPOONER.
WHEN I CAME TO THE CO WHAT THEY CALL GOOD COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
UM, YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB TO EXPLAIN SORT OF YOUR BUSINESS MODEL, WHAT YOU DO.
IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD TO HEAR THAT IT WILL CLEAR UP A LOT.
I THINK PART OF THE CONFUSION WITH, UM, VEHICLE VERSUS AUTOMOBILE IS THAT WHILE 10,000 POUNDS SOUNDS LIKE A LOT THAT WOULD EXCLUDE THINGS LIKE LIGHT DUTY PICKUPS AND EVEN A LOT OF SUBURBANS FULL-SIZE SUV'S.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WAS A LOT OF COUNTIES HAVE COME INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A HICCUP WHERE THE MOTOR VEHICLE DEALER BOARD THAT LICENSES ME THROUGH VIRGINIA.
UM, DOESN'T SEE A DISTINCTION IN THE GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT, BUT SOME COUNTIES DO SO IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING SOMETIMES.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SECOND LOCATION ABOUT AN HOUR OUTSIDE OF RICHMOND.
THAT IS A FIVE AND A HALF ACRE FULL TRUCK CENTER.
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HAVE THAT FALLS INTO THAT LARGER CATEGORY GOES OUT TO THE TRUCK CENTER.AND MY GOOCHLAND OFFICE HAS BECOME PRIMARILY ADMINISTRATIVE WHILE THERE MIGHT BE OCCASIONS THAT, THAT A LARGER VEHICLE IS THERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME OR WAITING FOR A CUSTOMER TO COME AND PICK IT UP.
UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE USE AS A, AS A SHOW PLACE ANYMORE.
AND THE ELEVATION ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON BROAD STREET DROPS DOWN THAT WE ACTUALLY SELECTED THOSE FRONT SPOTS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LEAST VISIBLE FROM BROAD STREET BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY.
SO TO BE LESS INTRUSIVE IN CASE ANY LARGER VEHICLES ARE THERE, THEY SIT DOWN BELOW EYESIGHT PROMPTS, SOME QUESTIONS FOR ME ON THERE, BECAUSE I DON'T SHOULDN'T STEP IN FRONT.
BUT LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
YOU SAID, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS NO MORE THAN 10 AUTOMOBILES AND MOTOR VEHICLES MAY BE DISPLAYED FOR SALE ON THE PROPERTY AT ANY TIME.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS.
UM, YOU SAID THERE MAY BE A TIME WHEN SOMETHING OTHER THAN AN AUTOMOBILE, A LARGER VEHICLE COMES OVER THERE.
DO YOU PLAN TO LEAVE THEM THERE AND SELL THEM FROM THERE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? IS, IS THERE A WAY TO MAYBE CURB WHAT YOU NEED? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MAY NOT NEED WHAT WE'RE GRANTING YOU.
IF WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU, YOU CAN PUT 10 GIANT VEHICLES OUT THERE.
SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT AT THIS POINT.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES IN THE PAST WHERE WE'VE UTILIZED ALL 10 SPACES.
SO I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT DOWN WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO EXACTLY BECAUSE 10 IS NOT THAT MANY.
WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT AN INVENTORY, I KEEP ABOUT 150 TRUCKS IN MY INVENTORY.
SO 10 IS WHEN YOU SAY TRUCKS, WOULD THEY MEET THE DEFINITION OF AUTOMOBILE OR MOTOR V WHERE THEY DO? SO YOU HAVE SOME TRUCKS THAT ARE OVER 10,000 POUNDS.
AND I HAVE SOME THAT ARE UNDER AND YOU, YOU WILL HAVE THEM THERE DISPLAYED FOR SALE AT THAT PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID YOU HAVE ANOTHER LOCATION WHERE YOU PUT MOST OF YOUR LARGER BEADS.
I MEAN, I THINK ON AVERAGE RIGHT NOW WE KEEP THREE OR FOUR IN GAUGE LINE.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A PRIMARY THREE OR FOUR LARGER OR JUST ANYTHING IN GENERAL.
I THINK RIGHT NOW THERE'S TWO CARS.
AND I THINK THERE'S TWO RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE NOW.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER ACTUALLY UTILIZED ALL 10 SPOTS FOR LARGER VEHICLES, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO REDUCE IT DOWN FROM THAT FOR FUTURE GROWTH.
AND THIS ISN'T A CHANGE TO WHAT, HOW YOU'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING TODAY.
I MEAN, IT'S BEEN KIND OF STATUS QUO FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS.
NO, NOT CHANGING ANYTHING IN TERMS OF THE TYPES AND NUMBERS OF VEHICLES.
NO, THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND I SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT THAT.
DID YOU? WELL, I JUST THERE'S.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN OUR COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT LIMITS A VEHICLE BY GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT? CAUSE YOU KNOW, AND THREE 50 IS GOING TO BROACH 10,000 POUNDS.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE OVER, BUT IT'S STILL CONSIDERED AN AUTOMOBILE.
THAT'S WHAT THE AVERAGE PERSON CONSIDERS AN AUTOMOBILE AS OPPOSED TO, UM, A 20 OR $25,000 A VAN THAT HAS A GROSS WEIGHT OF 20 TO 25,000 POUNDS.
UM, THAT'S NOT A, IF YOU REMEMBER, UM, MS. SHERRY'S READING THE AUTOMOBILE DEFINITION, THE AUTOMOBILE DEFINITION, IT DOES NOT HAVE A GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT.
AND SO IT SAYS UP TO EIGHT PASSENGERS, IT MENTIONED LIKE TRUCKS, PASSENGER VEHICLES.
I MEAN, UH, UH, FORD F150 I THINK IS FAIRLY A PASSENGER TYPE VEHICLE.
THE ONLY TIME YOU GET INTO THE MOTOR VEHICLE DEFINITION IS, IS WHERE IT HAD THAT MORE THAN 10,000 GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER DESCRIPTORS FOR THAT.
YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT NOW, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU SOLD THE BUSINESS, SOMEBODY ELSE COULDN'T COME AND DO THAT UNDER THE DEFINITIONS THAT WE HAVE TODAY, IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT THAT IN THE CENTER OF THE VILLAGE IS RIGHT NEXT TO 2 88 IS RIGHT.
JUST WEST WHERE THE FULLER TRADER IS.
WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN MY UNDERSTANDING CLASSIFIED AS A WHOLESALE BUSINESS.
ANY OTHER WAY? OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT LIKE WE WERE SAYING, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT
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I'M LOOKING TO CHANGE.THE BUSINESS MODEL I'VE BEEN IN THAT LOCATION FOR 10 YEARS.
I WAS NEXT DOOR AT THE LITTLE TRAILER WAITING TO GET APPROVAL, TO MOVE INTO THAT ONE FOR A FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT I'VE BEEN IN THIS INDUSTRY FOR ABOUT 26 YEARS NOW AS AN OWNER OPERATOR OF DEALERSHIPS.
SO THE EXPECTATION OR THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY IS, IS NOT THERE.
UM, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I HAD WHAT I FELT LIKE WERE VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE TOO BIG OR TOO MANY FOR THE FACILITY.
SO I RENTED SPACE OFF SITES TOO.
SO THERE'S NOT TO BE AN EYESORE INTRUSIVE OR A PROBLEM.
I'VE, I'VE TRIED TO KEEP IT PRETTY LOW PROFILE.
SO, UM, AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S MOSTLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE AT THIS POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, DOES HAVE SOME LARGER VEHICLES TIME TO TIME, BUT NOT MADE, NOT MADE HABIT OFF.
UM, MS. SHERRY, BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, DO YOU MIND JUST, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE PACKET, DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO YOUR SLIDES JUST TO SHOW WHAT WAS DELETED? UM, FROM BEFORE THERE WE GO.
NONE OF THE CONDITIONS WERE DELETED.
WELL, AT FIRST, WHEN I SAW THE EXPLORATION, THEN I'M RACED AHEAD TO SEE THAT IT'S NOW IT'S A 15 YEAR AND THAT'S TYPICALLY IS THAT WAS A QUESTION I DID HAVE THAT I WAS GOING TO WAIT, BUT 15 IS 15 YEARS TYPICAL.
UM, SO TYPICALLY WHEN, UM, NOW, UH, WE WOULD PROBABLY ON A FIRST TIME, FIVE YEARS TYPICALLY IS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE IF THERE WASN'T ANY KIND OF MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS MADE.
UM, THIS ONE APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN A 10 YEAR, THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
SO THIS IS THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 10 YEARS AS OPPOSED TO, UM, 10 YEARS.
SO I THINK I GOT THAT CORRECT.
FIVE YEARS, THEN 10 YEARS AND 15 DAYS JUMPED RIGHT TO 10 AND NO COMPLAINTS.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED AT FOUR WITH ONE MEMBER ABSENCE.
AND CAN, CAN YOU SCROLL TO THE NEXT SLIDE? JUST TO COURSE.
AND SO IS THE NEXT ONE, IS THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP KIND OF BE TAKEN CARE OF ON THE NEXT ONE? I BELIEVE, YES, SIR.
THAT'S JUST KIND OF A CLEANUP UPDATE TO OUR LANGUAGE, RIGHT.
THAT DIDN'T PROMPT ANY HEARING, UM, ON THIS, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION BY JANIE ENTERPRISES, ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD FOR, OR AGAINST HER, ANY COMMENTS ON THIS APPLICATION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
SEEING UP, COME ON FORWARD, SIR, IS THAT JONATHAN LYLE, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF HIGHWAY INFORMATION, MEDIA, LLC, WHO HAS WORKED WITH TOURISM AND A V DON OVER THE LAST 12 YEARS OR SO, I ACTUALLY HAD STOPPED BY SEVERAL TIMES TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE INVENTORY.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS A MUCH BETTER QUALITY AND A HIGHER PRICE THAN I WAS ABLE TO AFFORD.
WE DID NOT NEED THAT KIND OF QUALITY TO HAUL BROCHURES UP AND DOWN THE INTERSTATE.
BUT, UM, I HOPE THAT THIS WILL BE APPROVED, UM, UH, WOULD ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT IF YOU CONTINUE EAST ANOTHER A HUNDRED YARDS OR SO YOU SEE A MANICURED V DOT VEHICLE LOCATION WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR SNOW REMOVAL, HEAVY DUMP TRUCKS.
SO THE AESTHETICS I THINK, WERE IMPROVED BY THIS LOCATION AS OPPOSED TO WHAT FEED HONOR'S DOING.
SO THAT AREA AS WAS OBSERVED RIGHT NEXT TO THE INTERSTATE OR THE STATE HIGHWAY, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN AESTHETICS ISSUE IN MY OPINION.
UH, THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA.
I THINK IT'S A PERFECT LOCATION FOR THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT IS BEING RUN THERE CURRENTLY.
AND I HOPE WE'LL RUN THERE FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS.
UH, SO I HOPE YOU ALL PROVE IT.
I DON'T KNOW ANY REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T AND, UH, GIVEN THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GROW GRACEFULLY, KEEPING OUR BUSINESS SPACE IS, IS A HIGH IMPORTANCE TO ME SO THAT WE REACH THAT 70, 30 BUSINESS, UH, RESIDENTIAL TAX, UH, BALANCE THERE.
DO I TURN THIS OFF? ANYBODY ELSE, ELSE? WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON
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THIS AND, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY DISCUSSION AND EMOTION? YES MA'AM.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SEE YOU 2 0 1 1 0 0 0 2 8 FOR AUTOMOBILE AND MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AT 1 26 42 BROAD STREET ROAD, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
MR. SPOON, HOW WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND BOARD.
ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU FOR HELPING US ALONG.
THE FOURTH PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS, UH, APPLICANT IS THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD REQUESTING
[4. 4070: District 3 - CU-2021-00004 Application by Goochland County School Board]
A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.AND MS. SHERRY'S GONNA INTRODUCE IT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS FROM THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY SPORT SCHOOL BOARD FOR, UM, MESSAGE BOARD SCIENCES, BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL COMPLEX LOCATED AT, UM, RIGHT HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, UM, LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF, UH, RIVER ROAD WEST AND BULLDOG WAY.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS PROPERTY AS PUBLIC COUNTY OWNED INSTITUTIONAL.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED A TWO AND IS SURROUNDED BY, UM, A VARIETY OF ZONING.
MOST OF IT, UH, RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH AND, UH, UH, BUSINESS TO THE WET, UM, EXCUSE ME TO THE EAST, TO THE WEST.
UM, THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE ARIEL, UM, THE SCHOOL IS LOCATED, UM, RIGHT HERE ON THIS LARGE PROPERTY.
THE SCHOOL MIDDLE SCHOOL HIGH SCHOOL COMPLEX IS RIGHT HERE.
UM, AS I'D MENTIONED, THE SIGN IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF RIVER ROAD WEST AND BULLDOG WAY.
UM, ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGNS ARE ALLOWED IN THE
UM, ORDINANCE STANDARDS ARE REQUIRED UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CAN, UH, THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR EXCEPTIONS WITH THIS PERMIT.
THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS ARE REQUIRED UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE BOARD DURING, THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
UM, NUMBER ONE, GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, A BUILDING AND ELECTRICAL ELECTRICAL PERMITS ARE REQUIRED AS WELL AS INSPECTIONS, UH, SIGNS CANNOT BE LOCATED IN A MANNER WHICH COULD CAUSE CONFUSION, UH, WITH OR FROM TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
MESSAGES MUST BE STATIC, NO ANIMATION VIDEOS FLASHING OR SCROLLING TEXTS IS PERMITTED.
UH, THE SECOND STANDARD IS, UH, DISPLAY MESSAGES CAN NOT CHANGE MORE THAN ONCE.
EVERY MINUTE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN MESSAGES CAN ONLY BE BLACK SCREEN OR IMMEDIATE TRANSITION, BUT NO FLASHING FADING OR SCROLLING TEXTS IS PERMITTED IN THE EVENT OF A MALFUNCTION.
THE DISPLAY MUST BE CHANGED TO A DARK SCREEN.
AND D IF SIGN IS TWO-SIDED, BOTH SIDES MUST DISPLAY THE SAME MESSAGE.
UH, NUMBER THREE, BRIGHTNESS CONTROL, UM, ILLUMINATION FROM THE SIGN SHALL NOT EXCEED HALF A FOOT CANDLE ABOVE AMBIENT LIGHTING AT ANY PROPERTY LINE.
LIGHTING CANNOT SHINE DIRECTLY TOWARDS ANY DWELLING SIGNS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN AUTOMATIC DIMMER AND BE TURNED OFF BETWEEN 11:00 PM OR AS LATE AS THE BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN.
AND SUNRISE PRIOR TO SIGN PERMIT APPROVAL, APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE CERTIFICATION SHOWING COMPLIANCE WITH BRIGHTNESS CONTROLS.
UM, OTHER ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGNS IN THE COUNTY.
UH, WE HAVE, UM, ONE HERE IN THE VILLAGE.
IT IS BROWNELL'S COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
UH, THEY DID, UM, UH, THEY ARE LOCATED ON STATE PROPERTY, SO THEY WERE NOT SUBJECT TO, UM, COUNTY CODE.
UM, SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH RECEIVED ONE EXCEPTION WAS GRANTED LAST SUMMER, UM, THAT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD, UM, THAT IS LOCATED, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, ON BROAD STREET ROAD.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR A SIGN, UM, AT RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WITH GOOCHLAND COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD, BEING THE APPLICANT IN REVIEWING THIS APPLICATION,
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THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING FACTORS AS WELL AS OTHER APPROPRIATE LAND USE CONSIDERATION IN MAKING THE DECISION ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, A PROPORTION OF THE SIGN PHASE TO BE USED FOR THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE USES OF COLORS, A RELATIONSHIP TO NEARBY RESIDENCES, DISTANCE, TO OTHER MESSAGE BOARD SIGNS, SPEED LIMIT, AND ROADWAY AND ROAD CLASSIFICATION, GENERAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA.AND LASTLY, LANDSCAPING AND QUARTERS INCORPORATED INTO THE SIGNED PACKAGE.
UM, SO THIS IS, UM, EXHIBIT A IS SHOWING WHAT THE SIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, IT IS A REPHRASING OF THE EXISTING SIGN.
UM, YOU CAN'T TELL FROM THIS, UM, UH, THIS PICTURE, BUT THE SIGN IS ACTUALLY TWO-SIDED AND IT, AND THEY KIND OF STRADDLE THE CORNER.
I'LL SHOW YOU, UM, LATER IN THE PRESENTATION, UH, THE PROPORTION OF THE FACE SIGN, UM, EXHIBIT A, UM, AS I MENTIONED, SHOWS THE SIGN, THE SIGN FACE IS APPROXIMATELY 50%, 53% OF THE, UM, OF THE SIGN AND THE COLORS WILL BE VARIED.
UH, THE GENERAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA, THE SURROUNDING AREA IS COMPRISED MOSTLY OF SINGLE FAMILY AND FARM, UM, UH, FOREIGN LAND HOLLAND HILLS SUBDIVISION IS ADJACENT TO THE COMPLEX TO THE WEST, THE CLOSEST HOUSE, UM, TO THE PROPOSED SIGN.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 520 FEET AWAY FROM THE, UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE PICTURE, IT IS SCREENED BY, UM, EVERGREEN LANDSCAPING ON BULLDOG WAY.
UH, WITH THIS APPLICATION, THERE IS NO LANDSCAPING PROPOSED.
UM, THE APPLICANT STATED THAT THE LACK OF WATER SOURCE IS THE REASON FOR NO LANDSCAPING, UM, SPEED LIMIT AND ROADWAY.
UH, CLASSIFICATION RIVER ROAD WEST IS A TWO LANE ROAD WITH RIGHT TURN LANE ONTO BULLDOG WAY.
RIVER ROAD WEST IS CLASSIFIED AS A MAJOR COLLECTOR ROAD AND THE SPEED LIMIT IS 55 MILES PER HOUR.
THE SPEED LIMIT IS REDUCED TO 40 MILES AN HOUR.
UH, WHEN THE SCHOOL SPEED LIMIT SIGN IS FLASHING, UH, THE PROPOSED EXCEPTIONS, UM, UH, THE CODE SECTION STANDARD STATES THAT MESSAGES MUST BE STATIC.
UH, NO ANIMATION VIDEOS FLASHING OR SCROLLING TEXTS IS ALLOWED.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THIS EXCEPTION IN ORDER TO ALLOW VIDEO AND MOVEMENT ON THE SCREEN.
THE APPLICANT STATES THAT THE PROPOSED OF THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ENHANCE THE MESSAGING FOR BOTH THE MIDDLE AND THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE SIGNS EFFECTS.
UM, THE NEXT CODE SECTION THAT ARE, UM, REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION TO REQUIRES MESSAGES, UH, NOT TO CHANGE ONCE MORE THAN ONCE EVERY MINUTE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE SIGNED TO CHANGE ONCE EVERY 10 SECONDS, THE APPLICANT IS MAKING THIS REQUEST TO PROVIDE FOR A GREATER EFFICIENCY AND MESSAGING AND TO ALLOW FOR THE SLOWING DOWN, UH, FOR FOLKS SLOWING DOWN TO TURN, UM, INTO THE SCHOOL TO RECEIVE MORE INFORMATION, UH, ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGNS WERE ADDED TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE DURING THE, UH, 2020 UPDATE, UH, REWRITE, UH, NUMEROUS PUBLIC MEETINGS, UH, WERE HELD PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, STAFF BEN SPARKED SIMILAR, UH, LOCALITIES.
UM, AND AS YOU SEE, I'M NOT GONNA READ THEM TO YOU, BUT THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT, UM, WERE, UM, WERE IDENTIFIED IN, IN COMING UP WITH THE ONE MINUTE.
UM, ONE MINUTE WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, UH, IN JULY OF 2020 SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH WAS APPROVED FOR, UM, THIS EXCEPTION.
UH, THEY HAD REQUESTED EVERY FIVE SECONDS.
THEY WERE GRANTED, UM, EVERY 15 SECONDS.
UH, THE NEXT EXCEPTION, UM, THEY ARE, UM, REQUESTING, UH, IS THAT IF THE SIGN IS TOO FACED ON THE STANDARD, SAYS THEY MUST DISPLAY THE SAME MESSAGE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE SCIENCE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT MESSAGES ON EACH SIDE OF THE SIGN.
THE EXISTING SIGN HAS, UH, DIFFERENT MESSAGES ON EACH SIDE.
ONE IS FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL AND ONE IS FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
UH, THIS REQUEST WOULD ALLOW EACH SCHOOL TO MAIN CONTROL OF THEIR PORTION OF THE SIGN.
AND LASTLY, UM, UH, THE STANDARD REQUIRES SIGNS, UH, TO HAVE AN AUTOMATIC DIMMER, UM, TURNED OFF AT 11:00 PM.
AND, UH, NOT TO TURN BACK ON UNTIL SUNRISE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO HAVE THE SIGN TURN ON AT 7:00 AM.
UH, THIS ALIGNS WITH NORMAL, UM, SCHOOL ARRIVAL TIMES AND CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR.
IT IS DARK AT 7:00 AM, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING IT.
COMMITTEE MEETING HELD ON APRIL 14TH.
UH, NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC DID ATTEND, UH, SINCE, UH, THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
UH, NO ONE HAS MADE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TO OUR OFFICE.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND, UM, APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST WITH THE EXCEPTION FOR, UM, CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS THE STATIC
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DISPLAY, UM, EXCEPTION.THIS IS ONE THAT ALLOWS FOR, UM, ANIMATED VIDEOS ON, ON THE, THE SIGN.
UH, THIS WAS WHAT THEY FOR ZERO VOTE, MR. MEYERS WAS ABSENT AND NOBODY SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, IF THE BOARD WERE TO APPROVE THIS, UM, THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, NUMBER ONE RECOMMENDS THAT, UM, ALLOWS FOR THE USE AND, UH, APPLICATION.
UH, THEY MUST ABIDE BY THE, UH, THE STANDARDS OF, UM, 15 4 16 B.
UM, NUMBER TWO, UH, SAYS THAT THE SIGN MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPEARANCE OF, UM, EXHIBIT A, WHICH WAS IN THE PRESENTATION.
UH, THE SIGN PLAN, UH, IDENTIFIES THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN, AND THIS IS AN EXISTING SIGN.
SO IT WOULD BE LOCATED RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF, UM, RIVERA WEST AND BULLDOG WAY.
AND LASTLY, THE TRANSFER OF LEASE, UH, CONDITION, IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED APPROVES ANY OF THE REQUESTED EXCEPTIONS, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE RECOMMENDED.
NUMBER FIVE, STATIC DISPLAY EXCEPTION.
APPLICANT IS GRANTED AN EXCEPTION TO THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS STANDARDS IN ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15, 4 16 B ONE C THAT MESSAGES MUST BE STATIC, NOT CONTAIN ANIMATION, VIDEO FLASHING OR STROLLING TEXT MESSAGES MAY CONTAIN ANIMATION, VIDEO SCROLLING TEXT, BUT NO STROKE OR FLASHING LIGHTS ARE ALLOWED.
NUMBER SIX, UM, IMAGE DISPLAY, EXCEPTION, FREQUENCY APPLICANT IS GRANTED AN EXCEPTION TO THE DISPLAY STANDARD AND ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15, 4 16 B TWO A THAT MESSAGES CANNOT CHANGE MORE THAN ONCE.
MESSAGES MESSAGES CANNOT CHANGE MORE THAN ONCE EVERY 15 SECONDS.
THIS IS IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS GRANTED TO SALEM BAPTIST, CHURCH, NUMBER SEVEN, UM, IMAGE, DISPLAY, EXCEPTION, TWO-SIDED SIGN.
THE APPLICANT IS GRANTED AN EXCEPTION TO THE DISPLAY STANDARD, UH, AND ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15, 4 16 B TO D THAT BOTH SIDES OF THE SIGN MUST DISPLAY THE SAME MESSAGE.
THIS MESSAGE DISPLAYED ON ONE SIDE OF THE SIGN MAY DIFFER THAN THE MESSAGE DISPLAYED ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, AND LASTLY, BRIGHTNESS CONTROL EXCEPTION.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS GRANTED AN EXCEPTION TO THE BRIGHTNESS CONTROL STANDARDS OF, UH, SECTION 15, 4 16 B THREE C, THAT SIGN'S REQUIRED TO BE TURNED OFF AT 11:00 PM OR AS LATE AS THE BUSINESSES OPEN AND SUNRISE, THE SIGN MAY TURN ON AT 7:00 AM.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE ALSO HAVE.
UM, UH, WORD IS ALSO REPRESENTED BOARD MEMBERS.
SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS REQUEST AND WHAT WE DID FOR SALEM, WHICH WAS ALREADY OUTSIDE OF OUR GUIDELINES, WHICH WE HAVE BRAND NEW GUIDELINES.
AND THE FIRST THING WE DO IS NOT DO IT, BUT SALEM HAS 15 SECONDS.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR 15 SECONDS, THEY ASKED FOR, UH, 10 SECONDS.
YOU CAN GRANT THEM, HOWEVER YOU WISH.
WE JUST, WE JUST INCLUDED THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE SAY THAT THE MESSAGE NEEDS TO BE STATIC.
THEY'RE ASKING IT TO BE ANIMATED.
DID WE DO ANIMATED FOR SALEM? UH, NO.
MA'AM THEY WERE, UM, THEY DID MAKE THAT REQUEST ON, THEY WERE NOT GRANTED THAT EXCEPTION AND THE TWO SIDED.
NOW THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IT.
WHY, WHY IS, WHY DID WE SAY THAT? WHY IS, WHY DOES IT MATTER THAT, UM, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION, PERHAPS.
UM, IT WAS JUST THAT THE FLASHING ON TWO DIFFERENT SIDES PERHAPS COULD BE DISTRACTING AND WHEN DRIVING, BUT THAT'S SPECULATION.
I'M PART OF THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE STATIC.
UM, SO, UM, IF THEY'RE STATIC, THEN THEY WOULD BOTH BE NON-MOVING.
BUT IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE SHOWING THE SAME, UH, UM, SIGN, I GUESS, BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY COULD SHED LIGHT, I'M COMPLETELY SPECULATING.
SO THE, UM, I GUESS IT'S THE STATIC PART.
THAT'S TO ME IS THE BIG ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S YOU DRIVE IT DOWN THE ROAD, EVEN IF YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT.
IF YOU'RE COMING FROM WHERE IT HADN'T WEST, YOU TURN IT RIGHT.
I THINK IT COULD CATCH YOUR EYE, UM, OR EVEN THE OTHER WAY IF YOU'RE COMING EAST AND YOU'RE TRYING TO TURN INTO THE SCHOOL TURN LEFT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? UM, I'M SURE I HAVE A
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QUESTION TO CLARIFY.I THINK THIS LAST ONE, I HAD THE SAME PAUSE, I THINK, TOWARDS THE END, YOUR LAST FEW SLIDES WERE WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE'RE, IF YOU COULD SUMMARIZE WHERE, WHERE ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS DEPARTING FROM THE REQUEST 10 SECONDS TO 15 SECONDS, NO VIDEOS.
AND WHERE ELSE ARE YOU DOING GARDENING FROM? SO, UM, HERE, LET ME GO.
WHERE ARE THE REC STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO? UM, SO UNDER, UM, SO THE, UH, TH THE FIRST CONDITIONS ARE, ARE ALL OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS FOR, UM, FOR, UH, ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIDE.
SO FOR THE STATIC DISPLAY, UM, IT'S ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU WERE TO GRANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, UM, THE, THIS EXCEPTION, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE ANIMATION VIDEOS FLASHING OR SCROLLING TEXT, UM, ELSEWHERE IN THE STANDARDS.
IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR, UM, STROBE OR FLASHING LIGHTS.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT PART WAS ADDING.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU'RE SAYING THE REQUIREMENTS SAY NO ANIMATION VIDEO FLASH GROUP, BUT YOUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE ALLOW ANIMATION, VIDEO SCROLLING TEXT, BUT NO STROKE OR FLASHING.
YOU SAID THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT'S IN ADDITION THEY'VE ASKED FOR.
SO IN ORDER TO SHOW YOU WHAT YOU WOULD GRANT, IF YOU, AGAIN, FOR AGREEING TO NO STROBE AND FLASHING LIGHTS YEAH.
UH, JUST FOR CLARITY, UM, THE, UM, WHAT IS IN NUMBER FIVE IS THE FIRST PART OF THAT THAT TALKS ABOUT THE VIDEOS FLASHING, SCROLLING TEXTS.
THAT IS WHAT IS IN, UM, THE, UH, THE STANDARD, THE STANDARD, UM, THE, UM, THE, THE LAST PART WAS SAYS, BUT NO STROBE OR FLASHING LIGHTS, UH, THAT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING.
I DID ACTUALLY ADD THAT, AND THAT WAS, UH, PIGGYBACKING ON SOMETHING, ANOTHER PORTION OF A STANDARD AND S AND, UM, THINGS THAT WE SAW FROM OTHER, UH, UH, UM, SIGN ORDINANCES TO STAFF DOES NOT PROVIDE RECOMMENDATION.
SO, UH, CONDITIONS FIVE THROUGH EIGHT WOULD ADDRESS THE EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD.
THE ONLY, UM, ONE THAT HAS A CLEAR RECOMMENDATION IS NUMBER SIX, UM, IS WHICH IS THE IMAGE DISPLAY.
THEY DID REQUEST 10, UM, STAFF WROTE THE CONDITION AS 15 TO BE CONSISTENT WITH, UM, WHAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD OF HOW THEY DO THAT.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER ANY OF THE EXCEPTIONS, THIS, THESE CONDITIONS JUST HELP YOU WITH THE LANGUAGE TO PART AS PROVE AS PART OF YOUR RESOLUTION.
SO, SO THAT TOP OF THAT SLIDE SAYS, IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED ANY NEW REQUEST EXCEPTIONS, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE RECOMMENDED BY WHOM IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE AN EXCEPTION, THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD WANT YOU TO USE AS PART OF YOUR RESOLUTION.
SO THIS IS PROVIDING YOU THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT GIVES THE EXCEPTION.
SO THE STANDARDS SAY, NO MUST BE STATIC AND NOT CONTAIN ANIMATION VIDEOS, FLASHING OR SCROLLING TEXTS.
IF WE ARE STARTING FROM JUST GREAT.
AND SO WHO, IF YOU'RE SAYING, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE SOMETHING, YOU WOULD SAY ONLY, ONLY ALLOW ANIMATION VIDEOS AND SCROLLING TEXTS, BUT DON'T ALLOW STROKE OR FLASHING LIGHTS.
DOES THAT, IS THAT THE GIST OF IT? YEAH.
BUT IS THAT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR? ARE THEY ASKING PART TWO TO BE, TO HAVE EVERYTHING FLASHING AND SCROLLING TEXT THERE? WE WANT IT ALL AND WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, THEIR APPLICATION SAYS THAT THAT'S OKAY.
LAST QUESTION I HAD BEFORE WAS I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN HELP US I'M SURE.
SO YOU SHOWED PICTURES OF THE SIGNS AND HOW IT'S KIND OF ANGLED.
UM, AND I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WERE GOING TO TELL US, ARE THEY GOING TO BRING THEM TOGETHER? IS IT GOING TO HAVE THAT SAME ANGLE? THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY USING THE SAME FRAME THAT'S EXISTING, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND CURRENTLY A ONE SIDE IS USED BY THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE OTHER SIDE IS USED BY THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY WANT IT TO RETAIN THAT.
AND SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE THAT YOU, YOU CAN, THEY'RE ANGLED, THEY'RE NOT PERPENDICULAR TO CORRECT TO, UM, THE ROUTE SIX.
THEY'RE KIND OF BOTH ANGERED AT 90 DEGREES.
AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT'S SIR.
THIS IS REALLY JUST TWO SIGNS AND IT'S GOING TO BE TWO SIDES.
ISN'T IT? UH, I MEAN, DID THEY ARE ATTACH, BUT YES, THEY WOULD BE DEAF TO ATTACH SIGNS.
ARE THEY DOING WELL? I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT.
I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SHERRY, MS. PETERSON, MR. CHAIR, UM, MS. SHERRY, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, I THINK THE PREVIOUS QUESTION WAS TRYING TO GET AT THE DELTA BETWEEN WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AND WHAT IS LISTED HERE.
UM, ONE OF MY THINGS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT THE COUNTY IS DOING THINGS FOR ITSELF, THAT IT WOULD
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ALLOW THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO DO.AND SOME CONCERN WHEN PRECEDENTS ARE SET ON ONE SIDE OF THE OTHER.
UM, SO MY QUESTION WAS MORE THE DELTA BETWEEN WHAT THE, EITHER THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE, WHAT THE ASKING FOR, BUT, BUT REALLY THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, THE DELTA BETWEEN THAT AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST ALREADY FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
SO IT MAKES SURE THAT WE KNOW WHERE WE STAND VERSUS THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR THEM, UH, TO KNOW WHAT PRECEDENTS HAVE BEEN SET, AND THEN WOULD THIS SET A PRECEDENT AND MOVE THE GOALPOSTS FURTHER, POTENTIALLY THAT KIND OF THING.
SO COULD YOU TOUCH ON THAT PLEASE? WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR OTHERS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR VERSUS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING DOING FOR OURSELVES AND THE PUBLIC? CERTAINLY.
UM, SO THERE HAS, THERE HAS ONLY BEEN ONE, UM, APPROVED SIGN.
AND AS I MENTIONED, IT WAS SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH.
THEY HAD REQUESTED TWO EXCEPTIONS.
UH, WE ONLY GRANTED THEM, WE BEING THE COUNTY, YOU, UM, ONLY GRANTED THEM, UM, ONE EXCEPTION AND THAT WAS, THEY WERE ASKING FOUR OR FIVE SECONDS.
SO THEY HAVE NOT, NOBODY ELSE HAS BEEN GRANTED.
UM, THE, UH, THE ANIMATION TO THE, TO THIS POINT IN TIME.
CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
I DON'T THINK WE GRANTED ANYTHING.
I THINK THEY WOULD DREW THE REQUEST FOR US.
SO IT NEVER CAME TO US THROUGH A VOTE.
SO WE DIDN'T, THE PASTOR SAID, WELL, IF YOU, WELL, I'LL JUST REMOVE THAT.
AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE LAST TWO EXCEPTIONS, THE SCHOOL BOARD IS ASKING FOR THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE THAT TWO-SIDED ONE, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE A SIGN MIDDLE AND HIGH SORT OF SEPARATELY.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE TO THEM.
AND THE SECOND, THE TIMING FOR MOST BUSINESSES, SUNRISE WOULD BE PLENTY.
A SCHOOL HAPPENS TOO IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER, ACTUALLY HAVE STUDENTS COMING IN ON BUSES A LITTLE BIT BEFORE SUNRISE.
SO I WOULD JUST, THOSE WEREN'T A PART OF THE BACK THE CHURCH'S APPLICATION.
AND THEY'RE ALSO A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE, I THINK WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY, THANK YOU, MR. MCGEE.
ARMSTRONG IS READY TO COME UP HERE AND HELP US OUT.
SO WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD.
GOOD EVENING, MR. LONG AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
ANDY ARMSTRONG, ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT OF ADMINISTRATION FOR GOOCHLAND COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M GONNA TALK ANIMATION STROBING, RIGHT? WELL, THE PLANNING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED GIVE MS. CHERRY COVERED IT, BUT GIVE US A LITTLE HISTORY.
YOU ALL, YOU ALL APPLIED, MAYBE WHEN, BUT YOU WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
WHEN YOU REALIZED THE STANDARDS YOU HAD, YOU WANTED TO DO THINGS DIFFERENT THAN THE STANDARDS.
AND WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION IN JUNE, WE REALIZED THAT AFTER THAT INITIAL PLANNING CONDITION, HEARING THAT THIS APPLICATION WAS MORE THAN JUST SIMPLY ERECTING ASSIGNED THAT THE CONDITIONS AROUND THE ELECTRICS ELECTRONIC SIGN WERE A LOT MORE COMPLEX.
SO JUST IN THE NAME OF TRANSPARENCY, WE FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO REAPPLY AND THEN REQUEST THOSE EXCEPTIONS AS IT RELATED TO ALL THOSE DIFFERENT STANDARDS AND, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE LAST MEETING, THEY APPROVED ALL, BUT ALL OF YOUR REQUESTS FOR EXCEPTIONS FLIPS DOWN EXCEPT FOR ONE, YES, SIR.
IN THAT, TALK ABOUT THAT ONE AND WHY, WHY SHOULD WE GO DIFFERENTLY THAN THE PLAN? BECAUSE I THINK, SORRY, JUST IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT.
I WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT THE LAST MEETING AND JUDGING FROM THE CONVERSATION AMONG THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I THINK THEY HAD SIMILAR CONCERNS THAT I'M HEARING THIS EVENING WITH THIS BOARD, UM, AROUND THE, THE VIDEO AND ANIMATION, UH, PART OF THAT STANDARD.
AND I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME MISCONCEPTION AROUND WHAT THOSE TERMS MEAN.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE BROADCASTING SPORTS CENTER HIGHLIGHTS ON OUR SIGN ON RIVER ROAD WEST.
UM, WHEN WE SAY VIDEO, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT A THREE-SECOND CLIFF, THE GRADUATES THROWING THEIR CAPS IN THE AIR.
WHEN WE SAY ANIMATION, MAYBE A FLAG WAVING IN THE BACKGROUND MEMORIAL DAY WHEN WE SAY HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY.
BUT, UM, WHAT, BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THEM IN YOUR SEAT, I KNOW IS THAT YOU'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS FOR POSTERITY.
SO WHILE WE'RE THE ONES OPERATING IT TODAY, IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS THAT WE, WE DO NOT NEED, NOR DO WE WANT FLASHING LIGHTS OR STROBE LIGHTS, BUT WE FEEL THAT AS RESPONSIBLE STEWARDS, IF WE'RE WANTING, WE WANT TO GET THE MOST OUT OF THIS INVESTMENT IN THIS TECHNOLOGY, THEN HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE ANIMATION, TO HAVE BRIEF VIDEO CLIPS IS WHAT MAKES US SPECIAL.
SO WE'RE REQUESTING THAT BECAUSE WE THINK IT'LL MAKE A VISUALLY APPEALING SIGN.
THAT'S GOING TO IDENTIFY OUR SCHOOLS.
IT'S GOING TO BE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING IN OUR BUILDINGS.
IT'S AN INSTRUCTIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR STUDENTS WHO ARE WORKING INSIDE THE BUILDINGS, GOING TO HELP DO THIS AS WELL IN A NUTSHELL.
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GOTCHA.IS IT PROMPT ANY QUESTIONS? I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO IS THE SIGN THAT'S FURTHER DOWN THE STREET THAT HAS ALL THE, LIKE THE TRACK OR THE RECORDS, UM, LIKE SPORTS, YOU KNOW, CHAMPIONSHIP THINGS.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT IMPACTED BY THIS.
OR THE SIGN IS GOING TO STAY AT THE SAME ANGLE.
IT'S JUST THE, A SURFACE ORIENTATION.
SAME FOOTPRINT, SAME, SAME FRAME.
I THINK IF THERE'S NO QUICK FOUR TICK TICK, IF YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, OF COURSE WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND PICK UP THE DISCUSSION.
IF WE'RE READY, WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND, UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING ON.
WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CALL YOU BACK.
IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FIRST OF TWO APPLICATIONS FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEGUN IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD FOR, OR AGAINST OUR COMMENTS OR ANY THOUGHTS.
UM, I UTILIZED ELECTRONIC SIGNAGE AT THE WELCOME CENTERS, VISITOR CENTERS FOR VIRGINIA TOURISM WITH HIGHWAY INFORMATION MEDIA.
AND I BELIEVE IT IS AN EFFECTIVE MEANS OF COMMUNICATING.
UM, I WAS SURPRISED TO FIND OUT THAT GOLDFISH HAVE AN ATTENTION SPAN OF SEVEN SECONDS.
TODAY'S TEENAGERS HAVE AN ATTENTION SPAN OF THREE.
SO CHANGING MESSAGES FREQUENTLY IS, IS, UH, KEEPING WITH SOME OF THE TARGET AUDIENCE OUT THERE, BUT TO FOLLOW UP WHAT I THINK MR. PETERSON WAS TOUCHING ON.
IF YOU ACCEPT, IF YOU GRANT THESE EXCEPTIONS, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GRANT THEM FOR EVERYBODY.
I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA THAT GOVERNMENT HAS CERTAIN PREROGATIVES THAT THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY SECTOR, PRIVATE CITIZENS DON'T, UH, AND THAT, THAT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IT.
SO WHAT THE EXCEPTIONS ARE REQUESTED, I DON'T PARTICULARLY HAVE ANY BEEF WITH IT.
I WOULD HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS IF THIS PUB, IF, IF GOVERNMENT IS GIVEN THESE EXCEPTIONS AND WHETHER IT'S SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH OR SOME BUSINESSES DO OPERATE 24 7, THEY'RE CALLED CONVENIENCE STORES.
AND AS I COMMENTED WITH SALEM BAPTIST, IT'S WELL KNOWN.
NOBODY NEEDS A MESSAGE FROM THE BIBLE AT 2:00 AM.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST NOT NEEDED.
SO WHY SHOULD THEY BE ABLE TO PUT A MESSAGE UP AT 2:00 AM? UH, OF COURSE THAT'S FACETIOUS.
UH, SO REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO IF YOU GRANT THESE SUBSECTIONS OF EXCEPTIONS, REWRITE THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE AND GRANT THEM TO EVERYBODY.
AND, AND OTHER THAN THAT, I'M PRETTY COOL.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THE FOURTH PUBLIC HEARING OF THIS EVENING.
SO, UM, MR. SPOONER, I'M GLAD YOU POINTED OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SALEM HAD THE, I GUESS THEY WAS IN THE FORTUNATE, UNFORTUNATE POSITION TO BE IN THE FIRST.
AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THESE STANDARDS WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ELECTRONIC SIGNS WHEN A YEAR AGO SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME, HOPE STAFF WORKED HARD.
AND I THINK SAFETY IS, IS THE, THE PIECE THAT I THINK ABOUT WHEN I LOOK AT THESE AND I THINK SAFETY WAS ON MY MIND.
AND I'M GLAD YOU REMEMBERED THAT SALEM WITHDREW THE APPLICATION.
I THINK THEY JUST SENSED, WE WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
ARMSTRONG'S POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REFLECTIVE.
I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY, I'M SURE EMBEDDED THEM HERE IS PROBABLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN AN OPERATION AND LEARNING AND GRAPHICS.
AND SO THAT'S, I IMAGINE THAT'S IN A WAY, I KNOW THE SCHOOLS OPERATED, THIS IS GOING TO BE A BENEFIT FOR STUDENTS, AND YOU SAID IT'S REFLECTIVE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE SCHOOLS.
AND I SEE THAT AGAIN, I, I, DON'T THE THREE SECONDS OF THE HATS AND GRADUATION CAPS FLYING THREE SECOND VIDEO OF THAT.
I JUST THINK IS THAT SALEM, YOU HAVE THAT CREST OF THE HILL, IF YOU'RE GOING EAST AND YOU KIND OF COME OVER THE CRUSTAL HILL AND THEN YOU SEE THAT SIGN, THAT WAS ALWAYS MY WORRY.
IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON THERE AND JUST ALLOW, YOU SAID, KIDS HAVE A THREE SECOND ATTENTION SPAN, THAT'S A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION FOR PEOPLE WITH ANYBODY THAT'S NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
AND IT'S 55 MILES AN HOUR BULLDOG.
UM, AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL POSSIBLY.
UM, THERE WAS GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC IN THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS GOVERNMENT VERSUS THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
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EARLY IN TRYING TO GET ELECTRONIC SIGNS, UM, TO A GOOD PLACE IN GOOCHLAND.UM, AND SAFETY WOULD BE MY THOUGHT, BUT I DIDN'T NEARLY NEED TO GO FIRST.
OTHER THOUGHTS, MR. SPOON, HOWARD, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS ASSESS YOUR YIELDING YOUR TIME ASK AWAY? OKAY.
SO I DO SEE IT, UM, UH, GOVERNMENT GETTING AN EXCEPTION THAT THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY CAN'T GET.
SO I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THE 15 SECOND FREQUENCY AND I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THE TWO-SIDED.
I REALLY REMEMBER NOW WHY WE DID THAT BECAUSE, BECAUSE FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, MAYBE IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE.
I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 7:00 AM.
IT'S THIS, UH, THIS AUTOMATED DISPLAY.
I DON'T THINK WE WOULDN'T DO IT FOR ANYONE ELSE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE SHOULD DO IT FOR A GOVERNMENT ENTITY.
I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE I WOULD BE OKAY WITH.
I'M GONNA START BACK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SIGN BECAUSE I WAS CAMPAIGNING.
I WENT TO ALL OF THE MEETINGS CHEWING.
GOSH, WHAT YOU HAD LIKE NINE IN THE MORNING.
AND EVERY TIME I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, I SAID, THIS IS WAY TOO RESTRICTIVE.
UM, NOW A GOOD RULE OF ADVERTISING IS ANYTHING YOU'RE GOING TO PUT UP.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO READ IT THREE TIMES.
SO FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU WANT YOUR MESSAGE OUT THERE, THAT'S A PIECE OF IT.
BUT I FEEL LIKE EVEN, I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD EVEN SAID, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNOW WE'RE STARTING CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE THEN IT'S A LOT EASIER TO, TO, UH, LIGHTEN UP ON THE RESTRICTIONS.
UM, I DO AGREE THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE, OKAY, SO THIS IS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY COMING VERSUS A PRIVATE, THE PRIVATE NEVER REALLY GAVE ME A CHANCE TO VOTE YES.
FOR WHAT THEY WANTED, BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE VOTED YES FOR IT.
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE WE MADE A BAD DECISION, IN MY OPINION, BAD DECISION ON MAKING IT 15 SECONDS OR NOT HAVING, OR BEING STATIC DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO MAKE THE SAME BAD DECISION.
NOW WHETHER WE CAN GO BACK AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY FOR SALEM, I'M COMPLETELY OKAY WITH IT.
BUT I DON'T THINK COMPOUNDING BAD DECISIONS ON BAD DECISIONS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UM, WHEN THE SALEM, UH, CASE CAME UP, I CONTACTED THE STATE POLICE.
THERE IS NOT, THEY HAVEN'T, IT'S HARD.
I WANT TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT.
THEY DON'T TRACK SPECIFICALLY, BUT TO THEIR KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S NOT BEEN A SINGLE ACCIDENT THAT HAS BEEN CAUSED BY A SIGN ADD TO THAT.
THAT THERE'S A SIGN THAT HAS ANIMATION CONSTANTLY, UH, 15 FEET FROM OUR BORDER AT, UM, GUM SPRING METHODIST CHURCH THAT HAS FLYING BIRDS, FLYING KITES, ANIMATION LEFT.
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE EITHER GRANTED DIFFERENT ROAD, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU DO HAVE, UM, DIFFERENT STANDARDS BECAUSE I THINK DIFFERENT AREAS MAY BE MORE DANGEROUS THAN OTHERS.
UM, AND I TH I DO THINK THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS I GET FROM THE GOVERNMENT OR THE B SCHOOLS OR US, IS THAT COMMUNICATION IS A CHALLENGE.
SO ANY WAY THAT WE CAN IMPROVE COMMUNICATION TO OUR CITIZENRY IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR AND TRY TO DO IT SAFELY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M SPECIFICALLY OPPOSED TO ANIMATION.
UM, I DON'T REALLY CONSIDER THIS A TWO-SIDED SIGN IN THAT IT'S TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
TWO-SIDED SIGN IS THIS AND THIS.
AND THIS IS THIS, IT DIDN'T QUITE TECHNICAL TERM.
THE BRICK MASONS QUIT EARLY AND IT NEVER CLOSED IN, UM, YOU KNOW, FIVE SECONDS, 15 SECONDS, WHATEVER.
I ADAMANTLY DISAGREE WITH DOING ANYTHING FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE SCHOOLS THAT WE DON'T DO FOR ANYBODY ELSE.
AND IF WE'RE NOT GONNA WE'LL MAKE THIS, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.
THE ORDINANCE HADN'T BEEN AROUND VERY LONG AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAID PAUL AND THE CLAY STARTED SHOOTING.
UM, BUT HOLDEN, I JUST THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, THEN WE NEED TO REWRITE THE ORDINANCE SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN DO IT, OR NOBODY CAN DUCT.
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YEAH, I GUESS I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT SAFETY SHOULD BE A JOB.WHY DON'T WE SHOULDN'T LOSE OUR FOCUS ON SAFETY AND DISTRACTED DRIVING.
OBVIOUSLY CALLS THAT INTO QUESTION IN SOME LEVELS.
UM, BUT AS THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR EXCEPTIONS PROPOSED HERE, 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT, UM, SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT, THE FINAL THREE, I COULD SEE HAVING A DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT ABOUT POSSIBLY REVISING THE ORDINANCE TO SAY, BOTH SIDES CAN BE DIFFERENT.
UM, THEY CAN START AT 7:00 AM.
UH, TH THESE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE REASONABLE AND THE 15 SECONDS.
UM, I THINK WE TRIED TO CALCULATE HOW FAR A CAR GOING, 55 OR 50 WOULD TRAVEL IN 15 SECONDS.
AND YOU'D PROBABLY ZOOM PAST THE SIGN ANYWAY.
SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE THE SECOND ONE, BUT, BUT SO THOSE THREE THINGS I COULD SEE ENVISIONING HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLY REVISING IT ACROSS THE BOARD SO THAT EVERYBODY GETS PLACED BY THE SAME RULES.
UM, THE ANIMATION, THE VIDEOS, THE, YOU KNOW, TURNING THIS INTO A COMPUTER SCREEN OR GAME BOY OR SOMETHING.
I, YOU KNOW, UM, WE TALK ABOUT PRESERVING THE RURAL CHARACTER.
AND SO THEN WHERE IN THE COUNTY MIGHT WE BE OPEN TO, UH, A LOT OF ANIMATION IN LAS VEGAS STRIP STYLE TYPE STUFF.
AND SHOULD IT BE EVERYWHERE, SHOULD BE SOME PLACES, SHOULD IT BE LIMITATIONS? CAN IT BE A TWO SECOND CLIP WHERE YOU THROW IN A HAT NEAR, BUT NOT AT 15 SECOND CLIP WHERE YOU'RE ROLLING A MOVIE.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT I'M NOT THERE YET ON THAT ONE, A NUMBER FIVE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD GO ACROSS THE BOARD, CHANGE THE ORDINANCE AND PROVIDE EVERYBODY UNLIMITED ABILITY TO DO VIDEO NANNY ANIMATION JUST YET.
SO ON THE OTHER THREE, I COULD ENVISION A DISCUSSION AROUND THOSE NUMBER FIVE.
I'M JUST, JUST NOT QUITE THERE YET.
WELL, I MAY HAVE MAYBE REPEATING MYSELF A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK THIS IS OUR SECOND.
THIS IS OUR SECOND APPLICATION FOR ELECTRONIC SIGN.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS, AND I THINK MR. SPOONER, YOU NOTED.
WE, WE WERE CAUTIOUS AND I THINK ONE OF THE MESSAGES WAS, LET'S SEE WHAT FOLKS WANT.
IT WAS HARD TO KNOW WHAT FOLKS WANT.
SO NOW WE'RE SEEING IN OUR FIRST TWO APPLICATIONS, FOLKS WANT THE LITTLE VIDEO WHAT'S UP, MR. SHARP.
I DON'T THINK WE, WE, WE SHOULDN'T DID NOT.
MR. SPOONER SAID, WE SHOULDN'T DENY WHAT FOLKS ARE WANT, BECAUSE OUR STANDARDS DON'T COMPLY WITH WHAT THEY'RE BRINGING US.
WHEN WE CREATED THE STANDARDS, WE SAID, LET'S SEE WHAT THEY BRING US, AND THEN WE CAN EXPAND AND ADJUST.
SO I THINK IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO DENY THEM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE STANDARDS, I THINK THAT KIND OF LOSES THE POINT THAT WE DISCUSSED WHEN WE CREATED MORE CONSERVATIVE STANDARDS.
SO THE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT THE VIDEO IS I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M TREATING THE SCHOOLS ANY DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK WE'RE STILL JUST WAITING INTO WHAT DO FOLKS WANT IN SCIENCE, WHETHER IT'S PRIVATE BUSINESS, THE SCHOOLS WHO HAVE YOU, I'M NOT, I'M NOT MAKING A DISTINCTION, BUT IT IS ALSO EARLY TO SAY, OKAY, OUR FIRST TWO, THEY WANT ANIMATION.
WE I'D LIKE TO SEE IN THESE APPLICATIONS, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, IT'S A 55 MILE AN HOUR ROAD WHEN YOU'RE GOING WEST ON SIX AND YOU KIND OF COME UP THE CRUST.
AT WHAT POINT DO YOU SEE THE SIGN? IF THE THING IS CHANGING EVERY FIVE SECONDS, THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT.
I THINK WE SAID 15 SECONDS WOULD BE, I, I CATCH IT OUT OF THE CORNER OF MY EYE, BUT I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE AGAIN.
SO I'M JUST NOT LIKE ZONED IN ON IT.
UM, SO I, I LIKE THE DELAY, PARTICULARLY IN OR FEWER MESSAGES.
I KNOW MR. SPOONER AND THE ADVERTISING.
YOU WANT TO GET YOUR MESSAGE, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.
BUT WHEN FOLKS ARE DRIVING ALONG AT 55 MILES AN HOUR, I'D LIKE THERE TO BE LESS DISTRACTION AND LESS CHANGING AND LESS ANIMATION IS, SEEMS TO ME TO BE LESS DISTRACTING.
I WOULD LOVE TO, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW DRIVING 55.
HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET TO THAT POINT? YOU CAN SEE THE SIGN TO WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT.
I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED THAT FOR TODAY, BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING I THINK WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT.
UM, BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT UNLESS YOU APPROACH THE SIGN, THE SECOND THAT IT HAD ALREADY CHANGED, THERE'S A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A CHANGE ANYWAY, WHETHER IT'S SEVEN SECONDS, 15 SECONDS.
SO YOU'RE THE TROUT, THE WHOLE TRAVEL TIME IS, IS LARGER THAN THE CHANGES.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT NOW I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW OFTEN IT CHANGES AND THEN THE ANIMATION PIECE OF IT.
SO YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THREE DIFFERENT MESSAGES IN 10 SECONDS, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT SO THAT OKAY, IF IT TAKES YOU 10 SECONDS TO BE ABLE TO SEE TWO, I THINK
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THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES IT LESS SAFE.I MEAN, MS. JAG, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I GO BACK WHEN WE WERE FIRST DISCUSSING THIS ZONING ORDINANCE TO BEGIN WITH THAT, I THINK THERE WAS SOME DEBATE ABOUT, SHOULD WE GO WITH ELECTRONIC SIGNS OR NOT? AND SHOULD WE STAY RURAL? AND THEN WHAT GOT ME STARTED THAT ROAD WAS SOMEBODY CREATED THE VR VIRTUAL IMAGE FOR ME IN MY MIND THAT AT THIS GAS STATION ON A RAINY SNOWY EVENING, SOMEBODY IS TEETERING ON A LADDER WITH A POLE TRYING TO CHANGE THE 9 CENTS TO 10 CENTS.
AND, AND CAN'T, WE JUST STAY INSIDE, PUSH A BUTTON AND CHANGE NINE TO 10.
AND SAME THING FOR THE SCHOOL.
SOMEBODY HAS TO GET A TRUCK FULL OF LETTERS AND DRIVE OUT TO THIS SIGN AND GET OUT THERE IN THE SNOW AND GLOVES ON AND TRY AND CHANGE LETTER BY LETTER.
IT CAN'T BE BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO THE CURRENT AGE.
SO THAT'S KINDA WHAT GOT ME ANYWAY, STARTED OUT AS WELL.
MAYBE ELECTRONIC IS THE WAY TO GO, BUT NOW HOW DO YOU PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER AND YET, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATE BUSINESSES AND, AND THE SCHOOLS AND OTHERS THAT WANT TO DO THIS USING MODERN TECHNOLOGY, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THE OLD WAY OF DOING THINGS.
SO, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE STARTED WITH THIS WHOLE THING.
AND NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WE'RE PAST ELECTRONIC IS OKAY, A STATIC.
IT CAN CHANGE EVERY FEW SECONDS.
AND NOW IT'S ANIMATION AND, AND STROBE.
I MEAN, WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE, AT SOME POINT HERE, WE'RE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING ABOUT AS FAR AS YOU CAN IN A RURAL COUNTY AND KEEP, KEEP THE RURAL CHARACTER.
I AGREE, MR. PETERSON, WITH THAT, I DO THINK THE ONE THING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IS THAT THE PURPOSE OF THESE SIGNS.
SO IF WE'VE MADE THE LEAP TO GO TO ELECTRONIC SIGNS, THEN OUR BUSINESSES AND OUR SCHOOLS SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE ON THE INVESTMENT THAT THEY'RE MAKING.
YOU'RE TALKING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
SO THAT IF THERE, IF WE SAID, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THESE, THIS TYPE OF SIGNAGE IN OUR COUNTY, THEN I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MAKE IT.
SO IT'S WORTHWHILE TO OUR CITIZENS WHERE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IS THERE A MOTION IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION OR WE CAN CERTAINLY CONTINUE DISCUSSION, BUT IF WE GET A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND, WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK I GOT CONFUSED WITH THE WHOLE CONVERSATION OF WHAT IS NOT REALLY RECOMMENDED, BUT RECOMMENDED.
SO WOULD WE BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION THAT IS, HAS, HAS THEY'VE ASKED FOR, SO THE APP, THE OPTIONS ARE AS PRESENTED BY THE SCHOOLS, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT STAFF PRESENTED OR RECOMMENDED, IT'S ME KICKING UP.
SO PROCESS WISE, UM, IF YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE WHAT IS WRITTEN, UH, ON THE, IN THE PACKET AS THE CONDITIONS, THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD LET US KNOW HOW YOU WOULD TRY AND CHANGE IT.
SO FOR IF YOU WERE, UM, MAKING A MOTION, YOU SAID, WELL, I I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE SCHOOLS THE FREQUENCY THAT THEY REQUESTED IN THEIR APPLICATION.
SO I WOULD CHANGE CONDITIONS SIX TO FIVE SECONDS TYPE OF THING.
UM, SO IF YOU COULD REFER TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE, IN THE, WHEN YOU'RE MAKING CHANGES FOR LETTING US KNOW HOW YOU WOULD WANT IT, 22 AND PAGE 3 23 HAS THE CONDITIONS AND MR. SKILLETS, CAN YOU BRING THAT UP ON YOUR SCREEN FOR FOLKS TO SEE? IS THAT POSSIBLE? I HAVE THE BLACK LINE VERSION OF IT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST PAID? THE MAIN 3, 3 23 OF THE, UM, I CAN'T DO THAT PACKET.
JUST BRING UP YOUR CONDITIONS OR YEAH, YOU COULD BRING UP THE SLIDE WITH, WELL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, ARE YOU GOING TO BRING UP WHAT'S ON THE PACKET? I ONLY HAVE THE BLACK LINE VERSION ON THE SCREEN AND THERE, SO IS PAGE 3 23 OF, OKAY.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SWITCH SCREENS.
YOU WILL HAVE TO GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
ARMSTRONG, CAN YOU COME UP AND FEEL THE QUESTION? I WAS JUST LOOKING AT NUMBER SEVEN, UH, GRANT AN EXCEPTION TO THE, UH, THE BOTH SIDES OF A TWO SIDED SIGN.
MUST DISPLAY THE SAME MESSAGE.
IS THIS IN FACT, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A V-SHAPE.
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TO HAVE TWO SIDED SIGNS THERE FOR EACH ONE? OR IS IT COMING ONE SIDE, HIGH SCHOOL, ONE SIDE, MIDDLE SCHOOL, ONE SIDE HIGH, ONE SIDE, MIDDLE.SO WHAT'S ON THE BACKSIDE OF IT.
IT'S REALLY TWO FACING OUT ONE FACE IN BULLDOG WAY.
THERE'S JUST TWO THERE'S TWO LANES.
SO THAT IS, IS THAT WHAT THE SCHOOLS HAVE ASKED FOR OR IS THAT NO.
WE DON'T HAVE WHAT THEY ASKED FOR DR.
CAN YOU GO THROUGH, CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN? UH, I CAN ACCEPT THE PACKET IN FRONT OF ME HERE.
SO, SO ON NUMBER FIVE, WHAT THEY ASKED FOR IS TO ALLOW, UH, ANIMATION.
UM, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT STROBE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING LIGHTS.
YOU'RE NOT ONE STROBE LIGHTS OR FLASHING LIGHTS.
I THINK IT WAS ANIMATION VIDEO AND SCROLLING TEXT.
SO NUMBER 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT IS WHAT THEY ASKED FOR OTHER THAN NUMBER SIX.
THEY REQUESTED EVERY 10 SECONDS AND STAFFED HAD PUT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH SAM.
SO THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING.
5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT ARE EXCEPTIONS.
AND IT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR WITH THE EXCEPTION THEY WANTED CHANGING EVERY 10, JUST BEFORE SHOWS CHANGING EVERY 15, CORRECT? YEAH.
IF SOMEBODY HAS BEEN BY SALEM, I, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION OF ANIMATION.
I'VE SEEN SOME, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A FLYING FLAG, I'VE SEEN SOME THINGS ON THE SALEM THAT LOOKED SIMILAR TO KIND OF A MOVEMENT.
I NEED TO GO BACK OUT THERE AND LOOK, BUT, UM, AND THERE MAY BE EFFECTS BEHIND THE LETTERS.
WELL, I DROVE BY IT YESTERDAY.
WE ARE A COMPLAINT DRIVEN, UH, ENFORCEMENT.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE I WAS NOT SEEING THINGS.
UM, OKAY, SO THERE WE HAVE IT.
THAT'S THAT'S UH, TO HELP YOU, MR. SPOON, HOWEVER, IF YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT MAKING A MOTION THAT I THINK THAT WE, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME GROUND WHERE, WHAT THE SCHOOLS HAVE ASKED FOR WHAT'S BEFORE US.
AGAIN, TO CONFIRM WE'VE GOT ONE THROUGH EIGHT HERE, 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT ARE THE EXCEPTIONS SEVEN AND EIGHT ARE THE EXCEPTIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED FIVE AND SIX ARE NOT EXACTLY WHAT WAS REQUESTED.
UM, SIX TO CHANGE WAS FROM 10 SECONDS TO 15.
AND THEN ON FIVE, UH, THIS CURRENTLY REFLECTS THEIR REQUEST FOR 5, 7, 8, 5 78 REFLECT THEIR CURRENT REQUEST.
Y'ALL ARE NOT LOOKING FOR STROBE OR FLASHING LIGHTS, RIGHT? NO, SIR.
AND YOU, YOU DIDN'T START OUT ASKING FOR, YEAH, I DO NOT BELIEVE SO.
THE PRECEDENT THAT WE'VE SET TO 15 SECONDS WITH SALEM, THAT'S ONE, THE ONE PRECEDENT, THE ONE PRECEDENT THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE.
SO THEN FIVE COMES TO US AS THEY REQUESTED, BUT NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED AND NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE.
OH, ALL 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS WITH THE STANDARDS IN THE ORDINANCE.
BUT FIVE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DIDN'T RECOMMEND EITHER, IS THAT CORRECT? THE SHERIFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEY, THEY, THEY APPROVED EVERYTHING.
AS WE'RE SEEING HERE WITH THE, INCLUDING THE 15 SECONDS, THEY DID NOT APPROVE THE, UM, NUMBER FIVE OR FIVE.
AND THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THEY APPROVED.
THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE OTHER 3, 6, 7, AND EIGHT.
SO IT REALLY, I MEAN, IT REALLY, IT JUST BOILS DOWN TO FIVE, THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS AS REQUESTED AND THROUGH THE PLANNING
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COMMISSION AND CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH SALEM.SO IT'S REALLY JUST COMES DOWN TO FIVE, COMES DOWN TO EMOTION, WHATEVER YOU, WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE PASS.
I STILL HAVE A CONCERN THAT A BLANKET APPROVAL OR A CHANGE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR NUMBER FIVE ACROSS ALL APPLICANTS, INCLUDING THE COUNTY IN PRIVATE, WITHOUT FULLY DEVELOPING WHAT IS GOOD ANIMATION AND WHAT IS NOT SO GOOD ANIMATION AND WHAT IS GOOD VIDEO AND WHAT IS NOT SO GOOD VIDEO.
CAUSE IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THERE'S ABUSES.
AND THEN, SO I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF IT FOR ME ANYWAY, BEING NARROWLY ENOUGH, DEVELOPED OR DEFINED TO PERMIT YOU TO DO WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO DO WITHOUT CREATING SOME LOOPHOLE THAT WE ENDED UP HAVING TO WALK BACK LATER.
SO LET ME ASK, DO, CAN COLORS BE, CAN COLORS BE DIFFERENT AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STANDARDS, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER AND LOOK AT THE STANDARDS.
AND I SEEM TO REMEMBER ONE TIME WE SAID SINGLE COLOR.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR MULTIPLE COLOR WITHOUT A CUP, CORRECT.
IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN BEING ONE COLOR.
IT'S JUST A, THAT IS ONE OF THE, UM, THE FACTORS THAT YOU CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BASED ON THAT THE DANCERS DO NOT REQUIRE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE DOING MULTICOLOR, BUT OTHERWISE MEETING ALL THE OTHER STANDARDS, YOU'RE HERE TO CUP.
ANY, ANY ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN, EVEN IF IT'S STATIC AND IT HAS LIKE A, UM, LIKE, UM, AN ELECTRONIC, UH, LETTERING AND THAT, THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT OF, UM, THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN.
SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT COLOR ON A REGULAR, UM, UH, JUST BACK LIT SIGN.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I THINK SO.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SEE YOU 20 21 0 0 0 4 FOR AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGNED 32 50 RIVER ROAD WEST SUBJECT TO THE POST CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
OUR, I WILL SECOND IT, SO FOR ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION AND THE SECOND APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION AS PRESENTED ON OUR SCREENS WITH, UH, WHAT THE SCHOOLS HAVE REQUESTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE 15 SECONDS.
SO, UM, I'M OKAY WITH EVERYTHING IS SET NUMBER FIVE.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT SO THAT I CAN SAY YES TO THIS WITHOUT NUMBER FIVE? NO, I WANT TO VOTE.
WHAT'S THE THINKING, NOT JUST OF THE SCHOOL SO MUCH BUT OF IRREGULAR.
IF WE CAUSE AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE APPLICATIONS COME IN AND, AND CONTINUE TO EVALUATE WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PUT UP ELECTRONIC SIGNS OR WHAT THEY ARE SEEKING? WHAT'S THE PROCESS OF DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE TO COME BACK OR IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THIS IN THE FUTURE CHANGE, THE STANDARDS WOULD AN APPLICANT THAT HAS THESE RESTRICTIONS WOULD THEY HAVE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO BRING, TO ALLOW THEMSELVES TO NOW MEET THE, UM, REVISED STANDARDS.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO IT WOULD BE ANOTHER FEE.
WELL, THE BOARD ALWAYS HAS THE RIGHT TO INITIATE AN APPLICATION, WHICH WOULD NOT GENERATE A FEE.
SO IF, IF BOARD REACHED OUT TO THE PRIOR APPLICANT SAY SALEM BAPTIST AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CHANGED THE ORDINANCE.
WE'RE NOW ALLOW THINGS TO GO EVERY FIVE SECONDS.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO AMEND YOUR CP, THE BOARD COULD INITIATE THAT APPLICATION, WHICH WOULD SAVE THE FEE.
THERE MAY BE ANOTHER WAY TO, TO DO THE FEE, BUT THAT'S ONE WAY WE ALSO HAVE A POLICY THAT A CUP CAN COME THROUGH WITH ONE CHANGE WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY A FEE SO THEY CAN USE THAT METHOD AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY OPTIONS IF, AS WE KIND OF DEVELOP THIS PRECEDENT.
WELL, ANOTHER QUESTION, IF THIS, IT
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WAS VOTED DOWN, UM, COULD THEY COME BACK AND IF SO, NO, JUST, JUST CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.IT WAS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT I THINK IF THE MOTION FAILS, IT'S JUST THIS MOTION FAILS.
I THINK WE COULD PRIM ANOTHER MOTION.
WE BRING ANOTHER MOTION WITH DIFFERENT TERMS THAT IS IF A MOTION TO APPROVE FAILS, THEN THE LEGAL EFFECT IS THE CASE IS DENIED, BUT THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE, WITH THE CONDITION.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY TO BRING A REVISED MOTION, NO.
IF A MOTION, EXCUSE ME, TO DENY FAILS, YOU CAN TAKE ANOTHER MOTION, BUT IF A MOTION TO APPROVE FAILS, THEN THE CASE HAS BEEN DECIDED EVEN WITH THE REVISIONS.
ALL RIGHT, MR. SPOON, OUR, I MEAN, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE WIDE SALEM BAPTIST, YOU KNOW, REVISE THEIR APPLICATION.
I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER KIND OF GUESSING WHAT THEY WERE THINKING, BUT THAT'S JUST OUT THERE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT ANY FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS UP.
UM, I'M GOING TO HAVE A ROLL CALL, BUT, AND I DON'T MEAN TO MAKE THAT SOUND LIKE IT SOUNDS
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO DO NEED TO, UM, AT SOME POINT VOTE ON THE MOTION THAT'S BEFORE US AND UM, THAT TIME HAS ARRIVED.
I WILL ACCEPT THE FRONT, THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
SO THE, SO THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IS TO APPROVE, UM, WITH, UH, CONDITIONS, ALL THE CONDITIONS EXCEPT NUMBER FIVE.
AND MR. LUMPKINS, YOU WERE THE SECOND I'M GOING TO GET TO THAT.
SO JUST AS LONG AS WE'RE CLEAR THAT WE'RE REMOVING THE STATIC DISPLAY EXCEPTION.
UM, SO THAT MEANS THAT IF WE, IF WE ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT, THEN THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE, UM, THE MESSAGE MAY NOT, UH, HAVE ANIMATION VIDEO FLASHINGS OR SCROLLING TEXT.
THAT IS NOT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, BUT THE OTHERS NUMBER SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT AS WRITTEN ON PAGE 3 23, UM, I THINK ARE VERY ACCEPTABLE.
SO YOU'VE JUST ASKED FOR ONE THAT ONE AMENDMENT, MR. SPOON HOURS ACCEPTED IT.
I WILL ACCEPT IT AS A SECONDARY OF THAT MOTION.
SO WE NOW HAVE THE MOTION BEFORE US TO APPROVE WITH ALL EXCEPTIONS AS THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, UH, WITH THE STATIC DISPLAY, EXCEPTION BEING DELETED IN THE END.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT AMENDED REVISED MOTION SEEING NONE LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL, BUT MS. HUNTER SUPERVISOR SHARP REGRETFULLY.
WE WANT TO TAKE A BREAK OR KNOCK OUT ONE MORE WITH SCHOOL SCHOOLS JUST TAKING CARE OF THE SCHOOL IS ONE VERY SIMILAR.
IF WE CAN DO THIS ONE, THEN WE'LL TAKE 10.
WE'LL TAKE A BREAK AND THEN DIVE INTO THE NEXT MATTERS.
SO OUR FIFTH PUBLIC HEARING IS A LOT LIKE THE FOURTH PUBLIC HEARING, UM, BUT MAYBE FASTER.
[5. 4071: District 4 - CU-2021-00003 Application by Goochland County School Board]
IT'S AN APPLICATION BY THE HOUSTON COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD REQUESTING A CDP FOR AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN AT ANOTHER LOCATION.UM, JAMIE SHERRY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
THE SECOND APPLICATION BY GOOCHLAND COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD, OR A, UM, ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN LOCATED AT A RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON SHEPHERD TOWN ROAD.
UH, THEY ARE ASKING FOR THREE EXCEPTIONS WITH THIS APPLICATION.
UM, THE SCHOOL IS LOCATED, AS I MENTIONED ON SHEPHERDSTOWN ROAD, JUST OFF OF CARDWELL ROAD.
UM, THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES US AS PUBLIC, UM, COUNTY OWN INSTITUTIONAL.
UH, THE SURROUNDING IS, UM, A RURAL, UH, ENHANCEMENT AREA.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED A TWO AS IS ALL THE SURROUNDING
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AREA.AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, THAT IS WHAT THE, UH, SCHOOL, UM, COMPLEX LOOKS LIKE AS WELL AS SOME OF THE SURROUNDING AREA IS RESIDENTIAL, UH, LARGER LOT RESIDENTIAL AND FARMLAND.
UM, THE SIGN, UH, UH, AT RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SHOWN THERE IN EXHIBIT B.
IT IS RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARKING LOT.
IT IS A ONE-SIDED SIGN THAT, THAT FACES ONTO SHEPHERD TOWN ROAD.
UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE LAST APPLICATION THAT, UM, THE SAME, UM, ORDINANCE STANDARDS APPLY AS WELL AS THE SAME FACTORS.
UM, I'M GOING TO DISCUSS THE FACTORS AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS SIGN.
UM, EXHIBIT A IS, UM, WITH THE SIGN, HOW IT WOULD APPEAR.
UM, THE, UM, PROPORTION IS 30%, 36% OF THE SIGN AND THE COLORS WOULD BE VARIED.
UM, THE GENERAL CHARACTER AT THE AREAS I MENTIONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, AS WELL AS FARMLAND.
THE CLOSEST, UH, RESIDENCE IS APPROXIMATELY, UM, 400 AND 475 FEET.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, UM, IN THE PICTURE ON THE SCREEN, UM, THE APPLICANT IS NO LANDSCAPING WITH THIS REQUEST.
UM, THEY SAID THAT THE GROUND SURFACE IS NOT CONDUCIVE FOR LANDSCAPING.
IT'S MY IMPRESSION IT'S EITHER CEMENT OR, UH, GRAVEL.
UM, THE SPEED LIMIT ON AND ROAD CLASSIFICATION, SEPARATE TOWN ROAD IS A TWO LANE ROAD, UH, IS CLASSIFIED AS A LOCAL ROAD.
AND THE SPEED LIMIT IS 40 MILES PER HOUR.
UM, THE EXCEPTIONS THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR IS, UM, FOR THE MESSAGE BOARD, UH, TO, UH, AN EXCEPTION TO THAT, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE MESSAGE BOARD TO BE STATIC, NO ANIMATION VIDEOS, FLASHING OR SCROLLING TEXTS AS, UM, PERMITTED, THEY HAVE A SIMILAR, UM, REASONING TO BE ABLE TO, UH, MAXIMIZE THE, UM, THE, UM, THE USE OF THE SIGN.
UH, THEN THERE ARE ALSO ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION THAT, UH, THE MESSAGE CHANGE MORE THAN, UH, CAN, UM, EVERY ONCE EVERY MINUTE THEY ARE REQUESTING 10 SECONDS AS WITH THE OTHER, UH, APPLICATION.
UM, AND THEIR LAST EXCEPTION IS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE LAST REQUEST OF IT BEING 7:00 AM, AS OPPOSED.
I MEAN, AS OPPOSED TO SUNRISE BASED ON THE SCHOOL HOURS, UM, THE MEETING WAS HELD ON APRIL 14TH, NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC ATTENDED, AND WE'VE HAD NO COMMENTS ON THIS REQUEST AS WELL.
UM, THE FOLLOWING, UH, ARE, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO THE, UM, UH, UM, CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED WITH THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION THAT YOU USE, UM, TO BE ACCORDANCE WITH THE STANDARDS OF 15 4 16 B UM, THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE FOR SCIENCE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH EXHIBIT A, WHICH I SHOULD IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, THE SITE PLAN, UH, IS THE, UH, UH, LOCATION, WHICH IS AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARKING LOT OFF OF SHEPHERD TOWN ROAD.
AND THEN THE, UH, TRANSFER OF LEAVE STANDARD CONDITIONED FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
UM, THE NUMBER FIVE IS THE SAME, UM, UH, STANDARD, I MEAN, SAME EXCEPTIONS TO THE STANDARD OF, UM, ANIMATION.
UH, NUMBER SIX HAS TO DO WITH THE, UH, THE TIME, UH, AND AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH THE LAST ONE THAT HAS 15 SECONDS AS OPPOSED TO THE 10 SECONDS THAT THEY REQUESTED.
AND, UH, LASTLY THE BRIGHTNESS CONTROL IS ALLOWING THEM TO TURN THE SIGN ON AT 7:00 AM, UM, INSTEAD OF SUNRISE, UH, WHICH IS DIFFERENT AT CERTAIN PARTS OF THE YEAR.
THAT'S A VERY QUICK OVERVIEW OF, UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE, UH, JUST, JUST REVIEWED, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS APPLICATION AS WELL.
SO I TRIED TO LOOK AT THE SCREEN THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING AND ALSO LOOKING AT OUR PACKET.
COULD YOU, DO YOU HAVE THE PACKET IN FRONT OF YOUR HANDS ON PAGE 3 58? THAT'S JUST, THAT'S ON THIS APPLICATION.
THIS LOOKS TO BE THE SAME PLACE WHERE THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE HAD UP ON THE SCREEN FOR THE ONE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL MIDDLE SCHOOL WAS, BUT IS IT MAYBE MISSING THE ANIMATION EXCEPTION YOU'RE WORKING AT THE PLAN FOR RESOLUTION AT THE WRONG PAGE, LOOKING AT PAGE 3 53, 3 53.
PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTIONS IN THE PACKET.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S HAS THE STATIC DISPLAY EXCEPTION AND THAT'S EVERYTHING.
IT LOOKS THE SAME, EXCEPT IT'S GOT THE MISSING ITEM.
ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. SHERRY AT THIS POINT?
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YOU KNOW, I JUST DO HAVE ONE AND I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT BRINGING IT UP BEFORE, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY PROVED IT, BUT WE WERE CONCENTRATING ON THAT LAST ITEM.UM, BUT ABOUT THE 7:00 AM START, BUT JUST, JUST FOR CURIOSITY, UH, TO BE TURNED OFF BETWEEN 11:00 PM OR AS LATE AS THE BUSINESSES OPEN AND SUNRISE.
SO WE CHANGED THE SUNRISE PART.
SO WHAT DOES, WHAT TIME IS THE, WHAT TIME DID THEY HAVE TO TURN IT OFF AT NIGHT AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? I GUESS IT WOULD, IT, I GUESS IT WOULD REALLY DEPEND AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UM, I GUESS WHENEVER THEIR, UH, BUSINESS HOURS WERE OPEN FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL DAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY HAD, UM, PTO OR PTA THAT LASTED UNTIL 10:00 PM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE DONE WITH BUSINESS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO TURN IT ON AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
IS THAT HOW WE WOULD ENFORCE IT? THAT'S HOW I WOULD INTERPRET THE CODE.
I DO THINK, THINK ABOUT IT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER GOT SO FOCUSED ON THE BEGINNING TIME, NOT THE, AT THE END SPECIFIC CLOSE OUR, LIKE IF SCHOOL CLOSES AT 3:00 PM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO TURN IT OFF AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
IT'S MORE ABOUT THE ACTIVITY ON THE, UM, ON THE BUILDING.
SO IF THE SCHOOL CLOSES AT 3:00 PM AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY NIGHTTIME ACTIVITIES, WHAT TIME DO I HAVE TO TURN THE SIGN OFF? UH, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF GETTING INTO THE GRAY AREA.
I WOULD SAY LIKE 11 O'CLOCK PROBABLY, I WOULD NOT BE A ONE TO, TO SAY THAT THEY COULDN'T HAVE IT ON AT THAT POINT, BUT THAT WOULD BE INTERPRETATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MS. SHERRY AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.
ARMSTRONG SPEAKING TO THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT, UM, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE RANDOLPH SCIENCE IS A COMPLETELY NEW SIGN.
UH, WE JUST, UH, WITH YOUR ASSISTANCE, WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE RANDOLPH A FRESH PARKING LOT, UH, SUMMER BEFORE LAST I BELIEVE.
AND THIS WILL BE PLACED IN THAT LOT ON ONE OF THE ISLANDS IN THE GRAVEL AREA THEY'RE FACING OUT TOWARDS SEPARATE TOWN ROAD.
THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO BE SEEN HOW, YOU KNOW, IF IT CAN SEEN FROM WHAT THE CARDWELL, NO, IT WILL NOT BE A SINGLE CARDWELL CAN'T BE SEEN FROM CARDWELL.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TURN IN, GO UP, GO UP OR DOWN SHEPHERD TOWN OR EITHER TURN IN THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT IT'S CLEARLY CAN BE SEEN FROM, FROM SHEPHERD TOWN.
AND IT'S JUST GOTTA BE FACING OUT PAIR OF PARALLEL TO SHEPHERD TOWN.
ALMOST COMPLETELY PARALLEL, BUT YES, WE'LL FACE OUT TOWARDS SHEPHERD TOWN.
AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU, UH, GIVE US A LITTLE INSIGHT ON, AS A PRACTICAL MATTER HOW YOU PLAN TO OPERATE IT AS TO MISS ALASKA? THAT'S THE QUESTION? IT WAS A GREAT QUESTION.
WE ESSENTIALLY, OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL, SORRY.
OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ACTIVITIES ARE GENERALLY NOT GOING TO, UH, BE PROLONGED IN THE EVENING AS MUCH AS YOU CAN SEE AT OUR HIGH SCHOOL, WHEN WE HAVE, UH, EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES, FOOTBALL GAMES PLAYS, UH, WE JUST KNEW THAT 11 O'CLOCK AS THE STANDARD INDICATES IS MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO, TO SET A TIME EVERY DAY.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE TIME TO CUT THAT OFF.
IT COULD BE EARLIER WITH RANDOLPH.
UM, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR IN OUR THINKING ABOUT IT, BUT DEFINITELY NO LATER THAN 11 O'CLOCK AS A STANDARD INDICATOR, I'LL JUST DO IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME THAT I CAN.
I'VE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION TOO, TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT ANY, YEAH, IT WAS CHAIR.
UM, THE PREVIOUS ONE, THERE WAS FOUR EXCEPTIONS IN THIS ONE, THERE WAS THREE.
AND I GUESS THE DIFFERENCE IS, UM, THE TWO SIDED IN THIS CASE, YOU'RE OKAY WITH HAVING THE SAME MESSAGE ON BOTH SIDES IS THAT, AND THIS IS A ONE, ONE SIDE OF THE SIDE, ONE SIDE, ONE SIDE I WAS WONDERING FACES OUT AND THERE'S NOTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE OTHER STUFF.
YOU JUST HAVE ONE SIDE THAT'LL BE FACING, FACING TOWARD THE PARKING LOT.
SO WHEN EVERYTHING HAD TWO SIDES,
SO TRUST ME, I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THIS AS WELL.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMEBODY OUT THERE THAT'S LIKE, GOOD LORD, LET ME HELP THESE PEOPLE.
UM, SO WE'RE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
HEY, CHARLOTTE, TO THE RESCUE.
HI CHARLOTTE WITH MY 1 0 9 HOLLY DRIVE MINI AND SEVEN.
UM, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION REALLY.
I MEAN, I'M NOT AGAINST THE SIGNS NECESSARILY, BUT DOES THIS ORDINANCE OPEN UP MORE OF THESE SIGNS ALL THE WAY DOWN RIVER ROAD FOR EVERY BUSINESS NOW HAS TO BE GIVEN ONE IF ASK, UM, UH, IS NOW GOING TO BE A STRIP AND NOT RIVER ROAD.
I JUST WONDERED YOU HAVE TO, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
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JEREMY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, JOHN LEE, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.UM, MR. LAMPKINS JUST IN CASE YOU'RE INTERESTED ON THOSE SAFETY.
THERE IS THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION HAS A REALLY BIG BOOK CALLED THE MANUAL ON UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PRONOUNCE IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
AND IT HAS EVERYTHING FROM THE SIZE OF LETTERING AND THE RATE OF SPEED AND LINE OF SIGHT.
AND I HAVE SPENT QUALITY TIME WITH THAT HOPE NEVER AGAIN TO HAVE TO, BUT IT DOES ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SO ON SAFETY AND HOW OFTEN IS A MESSAGE ABLE TO BE READ FROM WHAT DISTANCE AND AT WHAT SPEED.
SO YOU ENJOY YOURSELF WHEN YOU, UH, AND THINK OF ME WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT.
UH, MY COMMENT HERE REALLY IS JUST THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE I UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE ELECTRONIC SIGNAGE, BUT I DO HOPE THAT IN THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT WE GO BACK AND REVISIT THE ORDINANCE AND MAKE PRIVATE INDUSTRY ON THE SAME FOOTING AS, UH, GOVERNMENT.
UH, AND, AND TO ME, IF IT'S GOOD FOR GOVERNMENT, IT SHOULD BE GOOD FOR PRIVATE INDUSTRY AND VICE VERSA.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY COMMENT ON THIS, THAT WE NOT HAVE EXCEPTIONS.
UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS ALL SORT OF PRE NO, I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE WORD PROGRESSIVE.
UH, THIS ALL IS NEW AREA FOR US, BUT REALLY LET'S BE CONSISTENT THAT GOVERNMENT HAS TO PLAY BY THE SAME RULES AS PRIVATE INDUSTRY AND VICE VERSA.
SO, UM, AND THEN MS. LASKA, LET, UH, YOU GET THE BLAME ON THIS ONE, BUT YOUR QUESTION GOT ME TO THINK, AND IF THE SCHOOLS ARE CLOSED ON WEEKENDS, I GUESS THEN THE SIGNS DON'T OPERATE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION ACCESS EXCEPT DURING ATHLETIC EVENTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, AGAIN, IT JUST COMES BACK TO WHAT IS SUNRISE, WHAT IS CLOSING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IF IT'S CONSISTENT FOR EVERYBODY, I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK THAT QUESTION ANYMORE.
IT'S JUST, YOU CAN RUN YOUR SIGN FROM SUNRISE OR SEVEN IN THE MORNING UNTIL 11 AT NIGHT, AND EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME HOURS OF OPERATION.
SO SOMEBODY SAID SOMEBODY COULD HELP YOU.
SO I JUST HELPED YOU JUST MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND EVERYBODY WILL GO HOME HAPPY AND IT'LL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE REGULATION AND THE RATING AGENCIES LOVE IT.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FIFTH, FIFTH PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING AND, UM, DISCUSSION BOARD.
UM, I, AGAIN, I DON'T SEE US TO STANDARDS IS THE SAME, WHETHER YOU'RE A GOVERNMENT APPLICANT OR PRIVATE BUSINESS.
UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, UH, MORE OF THESE COME IN BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT BUSINESSES ARE LOOKING FOR.
UM, HOPEFULLY THEY COME WITHIN OUR STANDARDS.
UM, BUT I THINK WE KIND OF ANTICIPATED SOME OF THESE REQUESTS WHEN WE WERE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
UM, IF WE WANT TO SEE WHAT ANIMATION LOOKS LIKE, THIS WOULD BE THE ONE TO PERMIT.
IT SEEMS LIKE I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT CONCERNED ME.
THIS IS YOU KIND OF HAVE TO ALMOST PULL INTO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
NOW YOU CAN BE DRIVING BY, ON SHEPHERD TOWN AND LOOK AT IT, BUT, UM, THERE'S A CURVE.
SO ANYWAY, I, I, UH, UM, DID THIS COME TO US WITH THE SAME FROM THIS PLANNING COMMISSION? THE SAME WAY? ALL EXCEPT THE, THE KEEP THE STATIC.
AND, AND THE 15 SECONDS ALSO, OR DID THEY APPROVE THE 10 SECONDS? OKAY.
SO THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE ON, ON PAGE THREE, UH, 3, 3 53, 53 53 IS, IS WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR.
UM, BUT, UH, BUT IT CAME, BUT IT CAME UP FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THE STATIC DISPLAY EXCEPTION, NOT RECOMMENDED.
I'LL JUST TRY TO GET STARTED OFF, BUT IF THERE ANY DISCUSSION, THIS IS, GO AHEAD, MR. CHAIR.
UM, WELL, FIRST I'LL TAKE UP THE 11 O'CLOCK.
UM, THE WAY I READ THIS, AS I READ THROUGH IT, AND WE CAN CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE IT MORE EXPLICIT, PERHAPS WAS THAT THE SIGNS WOULD BE TURNED OFF BETWEEN 11 AND SEVEN, UNLESS THE BUSINESS WAS STILL OPEN PAST 11.
I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I READ THIS.
CLOSE, BUT TURN IT OFF FROM 11 TO SEVEN, UNLESS THEY'RE STILL OPERATING,
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BUT THAT'S JUST MY REASON.UM, THE, YEAH, THE SECOND THING IS, AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME MEMBERS OF THE SCHOOL HERE AND THESE TWO BOARDS HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH OTHER.
AND WE DO TRY TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS AT EVERY TURN BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF OUR MOST PRECIOUS ASSET, WHICH IS OUR CHILDREN, WHICH IS OUR FUTURE.
AND SO WE DO, AND YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD US TONIGHT GO TO GREAT LENGTHS TO TRY TO GET TO YES.
AND NOT JUST TURN SOMETHING DOWN, OUT OF HAND.
MY CONCERN CONTINUES TO BE UNLIMITED VIDEO AND UNLIMITED EMANATION EMINENT ANIMATION.
I'VE HEARD SOME EXAMPLES AND SAY, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY PROBLEM IN THOSE EXAMPLES THAT WERE BROUGHT FORTH, BUT THE REQUESTED PERMISSION IS FOR UNLIMITED UNBRIDLED.
AND THAT'S THE PART THAT I JUST, I'M NOT THERE QUITE YET.
WE COULD PROBABLY GET THERE AT SOME POINT, AND WE WE'VE TALKED BEFORE THE COUNTY CAN BRING THE ACTION.
IF WE DECIDE THAT THERE'S SOME, SOME ROOM THERE UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT CERTAIN DESCRIPTIONS, BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S UNLIMITED AT THIS POINT.
AND THAT'S THE PART THAT'S HOLDING ME UP JUST A BIT.
BUT AGAIN, WE ARE WORKING, TRYING TO GET TO, YES, WE ARE WORKING TO TRY TO WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE KIDS.
AND, UH, UM, SO I'M PLEASED TO CONTINUE TO WORK TO THAT END.
IS THAT, IS THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION? IT WASN'T, BUT YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION IF YOU WANT TO, UNLESS THERE'S OTHER WELL, LET'S GO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
WELL, WE'LL GET A MOTION SOON.
UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION I MIGHT MAKE A MOTION? I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME CASE THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY.
UM, I MEAN THE CONDITIONS ARE THE SAME, UH, SO I, I MOVE APPROVAL, UH, BUT SEE YOU 2 0 2 1 0 0 3 APPLICATION SCHOOL BOARD FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD AT RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UM, BASED ON THE, UM, UH, CONDITIONS ON PAGE 3 53, OTHER THAN ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
SO GRANT TWO EXCEPTIONS DELETE NUMBER FIVE, THE IMAGE DISPLAY EXCEPTION, AND THE BRIGHTNESS CONTROL, EXCEPTION, EVERYTHING ELSE MEETS THE STANDARDS.
AND SO THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE WITHOUT THE STANDARD DISPLAY EXCEPTION.
THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON, ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT MOTION, MR. SHARP, YOUR, YOUR DISTRICT? ANY, ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FIVE LEFT IN, BUT OKAY.
ROLL COLBURN SUPERVISOR LAST LET YES.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK AND COME BACK IN 10 MINUTES OR SO MAYBE 10 AFTER EIGHT AND WE'LL DIVE INTO THE SIX PUBLIC HEARING.
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IT'S NOT EXACTLY REZONING[6. 4009: Decision on District 4 - RZ-2021-00004, public comment will be accepted]
OUT THE STATION.WE HAD THIS MEETING LAST MONTH.
WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THERE'VE BEEN SOME CITIZEN REQUESTS THAT THE BOARD CONSENSUS IS UNANIMOUS THAT I EXERCISE, EXERCISE MY CHAIR PREROGATIVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO, TECHNICALLY, MAYBE IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN CLOSED, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO IT'S GONNA LOOK AND FEEL THE SAME AS ALL THE OTHER APPLICATIONS THIS EVENING.
UM, SO IF MS. SHERRY, IF YOU'RE READY TO PRESENT THE, THE CASE, WE WILL PROCEED WITH THIS REZONING CASE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS APPLICATION IS BY MEP BEFORE LLC MARKEL EAGLE, UH, REQUESTING THE REZONING OF 41.334 ACRES FROM A TO, TO RPU D UM, OH, EXCUSE ME.
THE EXISTING IS A TWO AND A SMALL PORTION IS RPU D UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR, UM, UH, THE REZONING TO RPU D B ONE AND M TWO.
UH, THE USES WILL BE FOR A 31, A LOT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE, UH, NORTH EAST PORTION OF THE COUNTY, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS, UM, PROPERTY AS FLEXIBLE.
UH, THIS IS THE AERIAL SHOT OF THE SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE SURROUNDING, UH, UH, IT IS SURROUNDED TO THE NORTH EAST BY PARK, UM, PARKSIDE VILLAGE, UM, UH, SUBDIVISION, UM, AND THEN SURROUNDING IT, THERE'S, IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM THIS, UH, UM, PICTURE OF IT THERE'S LARGE, UM, FOREIGN LAND, AS WELL AS, UH, JUST TO THE SOUTH OF, UM, JOHNSON ROAD, UH, IS A QUARRY OR IT USES, UM, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED.
UM, A TWO AS WELL AS A SMALL PORTION IS ZONED, UM, RPD.
THAT IS PART OF THE, UH, PARKSIDE VILLAGE, UH, VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE PARKSIDE VILLAGE SUBDIVISION.
A PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON JUNE ONE.
UM, AT THAT MEETING, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DEFERRED THE APPLICATION, UH, TO TONIGHT, UH, FOR DECISION.
HOWEVER, PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE ACCEPTED AS, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN HAD MENTIONED, UM, AT THIS MEETING, THERE WERE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT IMPACTS, UH, TO JOHNSON ROAD, HEIGHT OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, BUFFERS FOR INDUSTRIAL USES B ONE USE DISTRICTS AND THE PROXIMITY OF, UH, DWELLINGS TO THE QUARRY SINCE THE JUNE ONE MEETING, UH, THE WORST SUPERVISOR, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THE
UM, THEY ADDED THIS TO THE LIST OF ALREADY EXISTING
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PROHIBITED USES.THEY HAVE PROFFERED GUN CLUB WITH INDOOR OR OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGE, FUNERAL, HOME MOTEL, HOTEL THEATER, CONVENTION CENTER, AND COMMERCIAL AND PRIVATE KENNELS.
UM, ALSO SINCE THE JUNE MEETING CONTINUED ON THE B ONE M TWO, UM, IS THE EXHIBIT FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY HAD, UH, PROFFERED SOME ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY HAVE PROVIDED AN EXHIBIT TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.
UM, THEY'VE LIMITED COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL BUILDING HEIGHT TO 45 FEET.
UM, THEY HAVE A MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACK OF 90 FEET ADJACENT TO ANY, UH, RESIDENTIALLY ZONED, UM, LAND ON THEIR M TWO, UH, PROPERTY.
UM, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY P O D PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, A CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND PRIOR TO ANY BUILDING PERMIT FOR ANY NEWLY CONSTRUCTED BUILDING ON, UH, THE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL SITE, UM, ELEVATIONS WILL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THE JUNE ONE MEETING, UM, UH, THEY HAVE DELETED IN THE B ONE M TWO ZONING DISTRICT, THE CASH PROFFER, UM, FOR $10,000 TO BE PAID TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY FOR, UH, JOHNSON ROAD OR OTHER ROUTE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND THEY HAD RE UH, REMOVED THE PROFFER THAT NO BUILDING PERMIT SHALL BE ISSUED UNTIL THE PROPERTY IS ACCEPTED INTO THE TCSD.
UM, THAT APPLICATION, UM, WAS, UM, UH, APPLIED FOR.
AND THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THIS EVENING'S AGENDA.
UM, THERE WAS CHANGES MADE TO THE RPU DE DISTRICT INCLUDED, UH, THE DELETION OF THE, AND OR STATEMENT, UM, COMMITTING TO DISCLOSING LOCATION OF THE QUARRIES AND THE AD VALOREM TAX AND B ONE ADJACENT B ONE AND M ONE PROPERTIES IN THEIR MARKETING CONTRACT AND, UM, CONTRACTS IN DEEDS.
UM, HERE WE HAVE, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT HAS BEEN PROFFERED, THIS, UH, COVERS THE RPU D UM, PORTION OF THEIR REQUEST.
UM, THEY, UH, THEY PROPOSE TO EXTEND PARKSIDE VILLAGE SUBDIVISION WITH 31 NEW AGE, RUSTIC STRICTED HOMES.
UM, ACCESS WOULD BE FROM ALL TO B STREET, UM, AND THIS IS LOCATED AND IT IS ACTUALLY ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, LOCATED OUTSIDE THE QUARRY BUFFER.
UM, SO INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES, UM, THERE IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU ON THE SCREEN.
UM, IT IS MORE OF AN ILLUSTRATIVE, UH, AS TO WHAT, UH, THE PROPERTY, HOW THE PROPERTY MAY, UM, DEVELOP, UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 35,000 SQUARE FEET OF NEW RETAIL CONSTRUCTION IN THE
AND THEY'RE, UM, UH, PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 109,000 SQUARE FEET OF NEW AND DRESSED REAL FOR THE
UM, AS I MENTIONED, UH, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY, UM, PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, A CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR BOTH THE
THIS IS IN LIEU OF THE, UM, OF THE, UH, OF THEM HAVING A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THE APPLICANT HAD INDICATED THAT, UH, TYING THEM DOWN TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, UH, WAS, WAS HARMFUL AS THEM MARKETING THE PROPERTY.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE PROPERTY AS, UM, FLEXIBLE, UH, THAT GENERALLY SUPPORTS OFFICE COMMERCIAL OFFICE SERVICE AND LIMITED INDUSTRIAL USES.
UH, THE B ONE PORTION OF THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS DESIGNATION.
THE M TWO COULD BE CONSISTENT, UH, WITH SUFFICIENT BUFFERS AND APPROPRIATE USES.
UM, THE RPD RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THIS REQUEST DOES NOT, UM, IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGNATION.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE CORY BUFFER, WHICH IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A TRAFFIC TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UM, AND WHAT THIS SHOWED WAS, UM, THE CURRENT, UM, UH, INTERSECTIONS NOT CURRENTLY OPERATING ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE.
UM, THIS IS BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT MEANS TODAY, UM, WOULD BE ASHLYN ROAD AT COMMERCE DRIVE, WHICH IS AT THE ROCKVILLE COMMERCE CENTER, UM, ASHLYN ROAD AND PENALTY TRACT.
UM, THE STUDY ALSO INDICATED THAT, UM, THE INTERSECTIONS WITH NOTED DECLINES OF SERVICE AS A RESULT OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD OCCUR AT ASHLYN ASHLYN ROAD AND COMMERCE DRIVE ASHLAND ROAD AND POUNCEY TRACT ROAD AND ASHLAND
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ROAD AND JOHNSON RUN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DID RECOMMEND IMPROVEMENTS AT ASHLYNN AND JOHNSON, UM, SPECIFICALLY, RIGHT TURN LANES ON ASHLYN AND JOHNSON ROAD, TURN LANES ON JOHNSON AT ASHLAND ROAD AND DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY FOR ASHLAND ROAD.UM, HERE, UM, IS THE, UM, THE, THE NEWLY PROFFERED, UH, EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THE PROPOSED, UM, TURN LANES THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY PROFFERED.
THIS JUST SHOWS, UM, WHAT, HOW IT WOULD LOOK THE ENGINEERED DRAWINGS OF IT.
UM, THEY HAVE, UM, UH, COMMITTED A TIMELINE FOR THE DEDICATION OF, UH, RIGHT OF WAY ON ASHLAND LOAD FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, UH, THAT WOULD OCCUR AT THE SUBDIVISION PLAT AND, UM, FOR THE B ONE AND M TWO, THAT WOULD HAPPEN PRIOR TO THE FIRST, UH, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ANY BUILDING ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF ASHLAND AND JOHNSON ROAD, THE TURN LANE SHOWN ARE THOSE THAT ARE, UM, WOULD, THAT WERE RECOMMENDED WITH THE, UM, TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, TURN LANES ARE TO BE INSTALLED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST CEO FOR ANY NEW STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY ZONE B ONE OR M TWO.
UH, THERE ARE SOME OUTSTANDING CONCERNS.
UM, AS I'D MENTIONED BEFORE, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, IN THE B ONE, UH, M TWO PORTIONS, UH, THERE IS NO PHASING OR COMMITMENT TO, UM, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT PRIOR TO ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND LASTLY, UM, JOHNSON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS OF IT'S A NARROW ROAD, UM, AND THE ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES DO POSE SOME SAFETY CONCERNS.
UH, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD ON MARCH 29TH, A BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEMBER, MR. SHARP PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, UM, MR. MYERS AND MR. TUCK PATHAK WERE IN ATTENDANCE ALONG WITH 49 CITIZENS.
UM, ATTENDEES HAD CONCERNS THAT INCLUDED INCREASED, INCREASED TRAFFIC, UH, THE TYPES OF INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES THAT WOULD BE LOCATED THERE, UM, WANTING A BERM IN ORDER TO SEPARATE THE, AND PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS GROW IN TOO LARGE AND THE NEED FOR AMENITIES SUCH AS A CLUBHOUSE, UH, SINCE THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, HA STAFF HAS RECEIVED PHONE CALLS, UM, AND ATE UP OVERALL EIGHT, UH, LETTERS AND EMAILS WITH CONCERNS ABOUT THE APPLICATION.
AND THERE WAS ONE, UM, UH, CORRESPONDENCE AND SUPPORT, UM, AT THEIR MAY 6TH, 2020, UH, MEETING, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION TO A FULL ON A 41 VOTE, NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, OFFERS THE FOLLOWING PROFFERS.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PROFFER SHOWN IN THIS PRESENTATION ARE BLACK LINES FROM THE JUNE 1ST, UM, 2021 MEETING.
UM, PROFFER NUMBER ONE, UM, UH, SAYS THE DEVELOPMENT WILL OF THE PROPERTY SHALL GENERALLY CONFORM WITH THE CONFERENCE, UM, WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND NUMBER TWO STATES THAT NO MORE THAN 31 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS UNITS SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, NUMBER THREE IS AGE RESTRICTIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH FEDERAL AND STATE FAIR HOUSING LAWS, UM, THAT THE HOUSE, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION WILL BE RESTRICTED.
UM, RPD PROFFERS CONTINUED, UM, NUMBER FOUR PROVIDES A COMMITMENT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL AND BUILDING MATERIALS TO BE SIMILAR TO PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
UH, NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO INCLUDE DISCLOSURES IN THE MARKETING CONTRACTS AND DEEDS, UM, FOR THE PROPERTIES, LOCATION, AND PROXIMITY TO THE ROCK QUARRIES, THE FUTURE M ONE, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, M TWO AND B ONE ZONE PROPERTIES, AND THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE AVALARA TAX, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
UM, NUMBER SIX STATES THAT THE SIDEWALK THAT SIDEWALKS WILL BE PROVIDED ON AT LEAST ONE SIDE OF EACH STREET, NUMBER SEVEN STATES, THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY WITH AT LEAST ONE ORNAMENTAL TREE PLANTED IN FRONT OF EACH DWELLING.
NUMBER EIGHT, THAT ALL ROADS, UM, SHALL BE PUBLIC ROADS AND CONSTRUCTED TO BE DOT STANDARDS.
UH, NUMBER NINE, THE APPLICANT CELL DEDICATE, UH, 42 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY, UM, TO ASHLYN ROAD ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
A NUMBER 10, A HUNDRED FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER SHALL BE LOCATED ALONG EACH SIDE OF THE PERENNIAL STREAM AND A 50 FOOT BUFFER SHALL BE LOCATED ALONG EACH SIDE OF ANY INTERMITTENT STREAM ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, NUMBER 11, THE APPLICANT IS
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COMMITTING TO PAYING FOR, UH, PAYING $3,224 PER REP, PER RESIDENTIAL, LOT TO HELP MITIGATE CAPITAL IN, UH, IMPACT COSTS RESULTING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.UM, NUMBER 12 LIMITS THE SITE WORK, UM, THAT LIMITS THE SITE WORK CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY BY CREATING A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE OFF OF JOHNSON ROAD.
UM, HOWEVER HOME BUILDING CONSTRUCTION IS NOT PROHIBITED THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, NUMBER 13 STATES THAT LANDSCAPING BERMS SHALL BE PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THAT THIS BUFFER WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE NORTHERN EDGE OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE BOULEVARD.
UH, NUMBER 14, UH, IT STATES THAT THE STORM WATER POND WILL HAVE A FOUNTAIN PERIMETER WALKING TRAIL LINKING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEEDING THE POND WILL BE DESIGNED TO RETAIN ADDITIONAL RUNOFF FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT NATURALLY DRAIN AND THAT DIRECTION.
UH, THE FOLLOWING ARE THE PROFFERS FOR THE B ONE AND M TWO ZONING DISTRICT, UH, REQUEST, UH, PROHIBITED USES.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ THROUGH ALL OF THESE.
UM, THEY HAVE PROHIBITED JUNK STORAGE, MANUFACTURING, ASSEMBLING, OR FABRIC PATIENT HEAVY MONUMENT STONEWORKS SALES SERVICE, OR RENTAL OF TRUCKS, TRAILERS, TRACTORS, MACHINERY, HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND TOOLS, UH, SAND AND GRAVEL PIT QUARRY MINING.
SO ALL MALE CONSTRUCTION, TRUCK TERMINALS, ADULT BUSINESSES, CLUBS, OR LODGES, A GUN CLUB WITH INDOOR OR OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGE, FUNERAL HOME, UM, HOTEL MOTEL THEATER CONVENTIONS IN OUR PRIVATE OR COMMERCIAL KENNEL, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, THEY HAVE PROFFERED THE BUFFERING OF THE STREAMS, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, PROVIDING, UM, ADJACENT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING PROPERTY AT 30 FOOT BUFFER, UM, TO BE PLANTED WITH EVERGREEN TREES.
UM, THEY HAVE RESTRICTED OUTDOOR STORAGE.
ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE SHOULD BE OBSCURED FROM ALL PUBLIC ROADS AND ADJOINING PROPERTIES BY DENSE EVERGREEN VEGETATION OR AN OPAQUE FENCE.
UM, ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE, UH, WILL ALSO BE ORIENTED TOWARDS JOHNSON OR ASHLYNN ROADS AND SHALL NOT BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO ANY RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS TO INCLUDE THE TURN LANES AT THE INTERSECTION OF JOHNSON ROAD AND ASH UNLOAD PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ANY NEW COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL SHUCKS, UH, STRUCTURE.
AND, UH, THIS INCLUDES THE EXHIBIT THAT I SHOULD DURING THE, UM, UH, DURING THE PRESENTATION OF THE TERM LIONS, UM, NO, A, B AND C, UM, AS THEY DID IN THE RPD PORTION OF THIS REQUEST, THERE IS A COMMITTED COMMITMENT TO DEDICATE RIGHT AWAY.
UM, 42 FEET OF ON ASHLAND ROAD PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST BUILDING PERMIT, UH, FOR THE NEW COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURE.
UM, NUMBER FIVE FOR THE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS USES NO COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL BUILDING SHALL EXCEED 45 FEET IN HEIGHT AND NUMBER SIX STATES, UM, THAT ON PROPERTIES OWNED M TWO, THERE SHALL BE A MINIMUM SETBACK OF 90 FEET ADJACENT TO ANY RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
UH, NUMBER SEVEN, UH, STATES THAT TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, A CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND PRIOR TO, UM, ANY ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT, UM, ANY NEWLY CONSTRUCTED ON ANY NEWLY INSTRUCTED PROPERTY ELEVATIONS SHALL BE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATION SHALL BE APPROVED AND REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT SUMS UP MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE ALSO HAVE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVES HERE AS WELL.
THANK YOU, MS. SHERRY, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT, MS. LASKO? UM, MICHELLE, I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.
SO WE HAVE, UM, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD, WE HAD THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS AND SOME HAVE BEEN CHANGED.
CAN YOU TELL US WHERE EXACTLY I'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH IN THE SPORT BACK AT WHERE THE EXACT PROFFERS ARE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THIS CASE? UM, THAT THE EXACT PROFFERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, WOULD BE IN THE RESOLUTION FOR ONE THING
THAT WOULD BE THE, THAT VERSUS 3 8, 3.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT'S GOOD FOR NOW? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.THANK YOU FOR APPLICANTS THIS ONE TIME AT THAT TIME, IT WOULD BE THE ONE BOTTOM ON THIS ONE, RIGHT? YES.
WE CHANCE TO KEEP THEM STRAIGHT.
THANK YOU, MS. SHERRY, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I AM THE DIRECTOR OF LAND PLANNING FOR EAGLE CONSTRUCTION HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
I'M JUST GOING TO DIVE RIGHT INTO THE PRESENTATION AND I KNOW STAFF HAS COVERED EVERYTHING REALLY WELL.
I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO REDUNDANT.
UM, ONE OF THE REMAINING ITEMS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT IS THAT THE 31 HOMES WE'RE PROPOSING ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S COMP PLAN, WHICH RECOMMENDS FLEXIBLE DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS COMMERCIAL OFFICE SERVICE AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A COMMENT THAT WE UNDERSTAND IS NOT GOING AWAY.
UM, WE HAVE AN INSTANCE HERE WHERE A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, A BUTT'S LAND RECOMMENDED FOR INDUSTRIAL USES, AND WE FEEL THAT OUR PROPOSAL IS SUCCESSFUL AT CREATING AN INTENTIONAL WHILE TRANSITION.
OUR PLAN WOULD REALLY DRAW THE LINE SETTING THE EXPECTATION AND THE ZONING DISTRICTS FOR WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENDS AND THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES BEGIN.
SINCE THE LAST MEETING WE'VE TIGHTENED UP THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PROFFERS EVEN FURTHER BY RESTRICTING ADDITIONAL M TWO USES REDUCING THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT TO 45 FEET TRIPLING THE M TWO BUILDING SETBACK TO 90 FEET AND REQUIRING PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW OF ANY SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS WITH REGARD TO ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT.
I'M GLAD THAT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM IN MORE DETAIL, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW HOW WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO ADDRESS OUR IMPACT BASED ON OUR TIA TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS HOW MUCH TRAFFIC USING THE INTERSECTION AND JOHNSON ROAD IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO THIS PROPOSAL, USING THE BIDS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FOR THE TURN LANE IMPROVEMENT.
IT CAME OUT TO OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FOR ALL THREE TURN LANES.
UM, WE'RE AVERAGING THREE, $350,000 EACH.
UM, THE PRO-RATA SHARE FOR OUR PROPOSAL BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF TRAFFIC THAT WE ATTRIBUTE OR THAT WE CONTRIBUTE.
UM, THE PRO-RATA SHARE FOR OUR PROPOSAL IS A TOTAL OF $740,500.
NOW, ONE OF EAGLE'S CORE VALUES IS ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND SO RATHER THAN SIMPLY OFFERING A CASH PROFFER FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, QUOTE UNQUOTE FAIR SHARE AMOUNT TO THE COUNTY, WE'VE STEPPED IN AND STEPPED UP AND LOOKED AT WHERE AND HOW THIS MONEY COULD BE BEST SPENT.
WHERE COULD IT HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT WE CAN PROVIDE THE MOST MEANINGFUL BENEFIT FROM A TRAFFIC SAFETY STANDPOINT BY ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTING THE TURN LANES AT THE JOHNSON AND ASHLYNN ROAD INTERSECTION.
SO WE ARE COMMITTING TO SPENDING NOT $740,500, BUT OVER $1 MILLION, ALMOST ONE AND A HALF TIMES, OUR ATTRIBUTABLE IMPACT TO CONSTRUCT ALL THREE TURN LANES ADDING THE IMPROVEMENT OR WIDENING OF JOHNSON ROAD WOULD BE ASKING A 20 ACRE PROPOSAL TO COMPLETE OVER ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF OFFSITE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT.
AND THAT MAKES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE FINANCIALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FURTHER ILLUSTRATE THE POINT.
THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS LISTED THE
SO ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN OFFSITE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WOULD RENDER THE PROPERTY VALUE LISTS.
EVEN IF THEY RECEIVED A FULL PRICE OFFER, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD ACTUALLY LOSE MONEY.
IN THIS INSTANCE, THE STAFF REPORT NOTES IS A CONCERN THAT THERE IS NO COMMITMENT TO BUILD THE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL USES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RESIDENTIAL.
AS I'VE SHOWN, ADDING MORE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ALREADY PROFFERED $1 MILLION PLUS IS SIMPLY TOO MUCH TO BEAR ON THIS PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY IF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WERE TO BE REQUIRED SELLING THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION.
IN FACT, THE PROCEEDS FROM SELLING THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION ARE LIKELY WHAT MAKES THE ENTIRE PROJECT FISCALLY ACHIEVABLE.
THEY ARE WHAT ENABLE THE PROPERTY OWNER TO CONSTRUCT THE PROFFERED ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS TO JOHNSON AND ASHLYNN ROADS PRIOR TO SITE DEVELOPMENT.
AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT ENSURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES BY SETTING THE PROPERTY UP FOR SUCCESS, CREATING THE GREATEST
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AMOUNT OF MARKETABILITY TO THE WIDEST AUDIENCE WHILE SAFEGUARDING NEARBY RESIDENTIAL USES BY GETTING THE ZONING IN PLACE, RETAINING MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY AND MITIGATING POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS, WEBSITE LIST EIGHT ACTIVE PROJECTS WHOSE CRITERIA ALL MATCHED THE ATTRIBUTES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.AND THE STAFF REPORT MENTIONED THERE ARE 28 ACTIVE PROJECTS FOR BOTH NEW AND EXISTING BUSINESSES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF STATES IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE CURRENT PROPOSAL TO BE ABLE TO BUILD DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES AND SIZES IS ESSENTIAL TO OUR CURRENT PROJECTS AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IN GENERAL, OUR PROPOSAL NOT ONLY PROTECTS AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO PROVIDES ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL GROWTH WHERE THE COUNTY HAS DESIGNATED.
WE HAVE COMMITTED TO TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT GREATLY EXCEED OUR ATTRIBUTABLE IMPACT.
AND FOR THESE REASONS WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL THIS EVENING AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO RESERVE A COUPLE MINUTES IF I MAY, FOR, UM, TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS AT THE END.
THANK YOU, MS. CROFT, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? DO YOU MIND GOING BACK OVER THOSE SLIDES JUST TO LOOK FOR SOME OF THE ONES WITH THE PERCENTAGE IMPACT A NUMBER JUST SO I FOLLOW UP? YEAH.
THAT'S THE ONE I WAS THINKING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING EXPLAINED THE PERCENTAGE IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE PERCENTAGE OF TRAFFIC.
THAT'S ATTRIBUTABLE TO OUR PROPOSAL.
AND THEN, AND ALSO BEING THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE NEW HOMES AND WHAT YOU ENVISIONED IN, IN THE, UM, IN THE M ONE SPACE
SO YES, IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE 31 HOMES BECAUSE YOUR IMPACTS THAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE ARE JUST ON JOHNSON ROAD, RIGHT? SO 26%.
SO CLICKER 26% OF THE TRAFFIC APPROACHING THIS INTERSECTION AND REQUIRING THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ATTRIBUTABLE TO OUR OVERALL REZONING.
AND SO THAT APPROACH RESIDENTIAL ANDREW.
UM, SO IF EACH TURN LANE ESSENTIALLY COSTS $350,000, 26% OF THAT COST IS $91,000.
HOW DOES THAT WORK IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ENTRANCE TO THE HOUSING ON JOHN'S ROAD, IT'S ARE OUR PROJECTS STILL THE HOME STILL GENERATE TRAFFIC THAT COULD BE USING ASHLAND ROAD AND WHETHER IT TURNS DOWN JOHNSON, RIGHT, OR NOT, IT'S STILL EITHER GOING DOWN ASHLAND ROAD TOWARDS THE INTERSTATE OR POTENTIALLY COMING UP ASHLAND ROAD TOWARD THE LIGHT AT POUNCEY TRACT.
AND SO THE 13% IS TRAFFIC ATTRIBUTABLE TO OUR, TO OUR PROPOSAL.
IT'S A DROP IN HOUSE, JUST A FEW FEET.
UM, THERE IS AN ENTRANCE TO THE OOP THE WRONG BUTTON.
THERE'S AN ENTRANCE TO THE B ONE HERE.
AND SO ONCE YOU PASS THAT, THE SITE TRIPS THAT ARE DERIVED FROM THE
AND IT'S, UH, IT'S ALSO A LITTLE INACCURATE BECAUSE OUR ZONING CODE WOULD REQUIRE A TURN LANES FOR THE BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL PROJECT.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE, TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY OR THE PROFFERS.
IT'S, IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THE TURN LANES ARE A REQUIRED ITEM THAT HAS TO BE BUILT.
THE ZONING CODE WOULD REQUIRE A TURN LANES FOR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE TURN LANE THAT, THAT THEY'RE BEING PROFFERED YES.
SO THE 94% AND THE 3 29 THAT'S 94% OF IS GOING TO BE 94% OF THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO YOU FIGURE OUT THE TOTAL TRAFFIC GOING DOWN JOHNSON FROM ASHLYN 94% OF IT LOOKS LIKE WILL 94% OF THE TRAFFIC ON JOHNSON AT THAT, AT THE INTERSECTION LOCATION.
THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF TRAFFIC TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.
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WHAT ARE YOUR TOTAL PROJECTED COSTS FOR ALL THE TURN LANES? WELL, WE HAVE A BID IN HAND, UM, FOR 1 MILLION, $50,000, AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE DESIGN OR ENGINEERING FOR, TO BUILD IT.IT'S STRICTLY THE CONTRACTOR OUT THERE BUILDING IT.
THAT'S YOUR COST FOR THAT'S YOUR TOTAL COST? THAT'S YOUR TOTAL BID FOR ALL THE TURN LANES THAT ARE DIAGRAMMED? YES.
I WILL SAY WE DID FIND OUT YESTERDAY AND CONFIRMED TODAY THAT
UM, IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER AREA.
AROUND HERE IS WHERE THIS DREAM GOES UNDER THE STREET.
AND THEY ARE, UM, PLANNING IMMINENT IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT.
THANK YOU FOR GOING BACK OVER THAT.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS BOARD MEMBERS AT THIS POINT, MR. PETERSON, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, BUT THIS ONE, MAYBE FROM MS. HUNTER, YOU MENTIONED ALL THE TURN LANES ARE ALL REQUIRED.
THE JOHNSON ROAD IMPROVEMENT, THE 500, THEY'RE SHOWING AN ATTRIBUTABLE PORTION OF THAT AS WELL.
WOULD THAT IMPROVEMENT BE REQUIRED AS WELL? OR THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENT FOR THEM TOO.
IF YOU LOOK IN THE CODE, IT TALKS ABOUT NON-CONFORMING ROADS AND, AND BRINGING THEM UP TO STANDARD.
UM, TYPICALLY WHEN THEY TRY TO, WHEN YOU'RE INCREASING CAPACITY ON THE ROAD, TRY TO ADDRESS THAT THROUGH A ZONING CASE.
UM, THIS LEARNING CASE IS NOT ADDRESSING ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO JOHNSON ROAD.
UM, ALSO THE IMPROVEMENTS BY V.IS, UH, CORRECTING A BROKEN PIPE PIPE.
THEY WOULD NOT BE INCREASING ANY CAPACITY IN THAT AREA.
I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IF I MAY, THAT WE ARE IMPROVING A BIG PORTION OF JOHNSON RED HERE AT THE INTERSECTION.
WE'RE INSTRUCTING, SORRY, MR. PETERSON, WE WERE CONSTRUCTING ALL THE TURN LANES BY CONSTRUCTING THOSE TURN LANES.
WE ARE IMPROVING JOHNSON ROAD, UH, I THINK MAYBE 300 FEET, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION, YOU'RE GOING TO GO DOWN ASHLAND ROAD AT 300 FEET, APPROXIMATELY, APPROXIMATELY I BELIEVE IT'S A 200 FOOT TURN LANE AND POTENTIALLY A 100 FOOT TAPER.
UH, BRIAN MITCHELL TOWN SITE ENGINEERING.
UH, WE, UH, WE DO A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND, UH, FOR, UH, FOR MARKEL EAGLE.
UM, SO THE TURN LINES THAT YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE BOARD UP THERE, UH, WE DREW THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUE WITH, UH, WITH LANES, I'LL JUST SPEAK GENERALLY ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, ADDING THE RIGHT TURN LANE IS FAIRLY, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S SIMPLE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER, UH, BECAUSE BASICALLY YOU'RE TAKING THE EXISTING THREE LANE AND YOU'RE JUST ADDING, YOU KNOW, A 200 FOOT, UH, STORAGE AND A 200 FOOT TAPER TO CREATE THAT RIGHT TURN LANE MOVEMENT.
THE LEFT TURN LANE IS THE ONE THAT ALWAYS SUCKS.
UH, AND, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS YOU'VE GOT TO MOVE THE THROUGH LANE OVER SO THAT YOU CAN GET THE LEFT TURN LANE IN.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE LEFT TURN LANE IN, UH, WE ENDED UP HAVING TO DO A SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT TO GET THAT, UH, LANE SHIFTED OVER AND THEN TRANSITIONED BACK.
VITO HAS CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT REQUIRE A CERTAIN LENGTH, UH, AS YOU MOVE THAT, THAT THROUGH LANE BACK OVER.
SO, UH, SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE UP ON THE, ON THE SCREEN, ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, THAT, THAT TRANSITION TAPER TAKES SOME DISTANCE TO DO.
UH, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, THEN WE'RE ALSO DOING IMPROVEMENTS ON JOHNSON ROAD TO BASICALLY PUT A TWO LANE OUT INTERSECTION THERE WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE A FREE FLOWING, RIGHT.
AND BE ABLE TO HAVE VEHICLES STACK UP TO THE LEFT, AS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE AT OTHER INTERSECTIONS, UH, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S JUST A TWO LANE SECTION COMING OUT A VEHICLE WHO'S SITTING THERE TO TAKE THE LEFT IS BLOCKING THE VEHICLES WHO WANT TO TAKE THE RIGHT.
UM, AND SO THIS, UH, THIS DIAGRAM INCLUDES ADDING WHAT WE CALL A RIGHT TURN LANE.
UH, AND THEN WE WILL ESSENTIALLY TAKE THE EXISTING OUT, UH, AND TURN IT INTO A LEFT AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO, SO THAT'S THE IMPROVEMENT ON JOHNSON ROAD THAT, THAT DISTANCE TO BRING THAT BACK GENERALLY, IT'S ABOUT 300 FEET IN ORDER TO ADD THAT ON THAT RIGHT TURN LANE, AS WELL, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
UM, WELL, YEAH, SO THAT 300 FEET IS CREW INCLUDED IN THOSE THREE.
THAT IS CORRECT ATTRIBUTABLE IMPACTS, BUT IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE $500,000 JOHNSON ROAD IMPROVEMENT.
TIM I'M GETTING CONFLICTING SIGNALS THAT SOME OF THAT JOHNSON ROAD IMPROVEMENT OF 500 IS INCLUDED BECAUSE OF THE 300 FOOT THAT YOU'RE ADDING.
BUT THEN I SEE THIS 94%, 3 29, THAT'S THE 300
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FEET, OR ARE WE DOUBLE COUNTING OR HOW HAS THIS WORK MIGHT BE OVERESTIMATING, HONESTLY, UM, THE COST OF, UM, I'M GOING TO GET CONFUSED HERE.THE $500,000 WAS A COUNTY ESTIMATE.
THAT WAS WHAT WE HEARD FROM COUNTY STAFF.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY GOING TO BE A $500,000 PROJECT TO IMPROVE JOHNSON ROAD.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS FROM THE INTERSECTION TO THE END, BUT WE ALL ARE ALREADY IMPROVING UP INTO THE BOTTOM OF THAT TURN LANE, UM, WITHOUT KNOWING HOW, HOW THE COUNTY CALCULATED THAT I CAN PROBABLY FIND COUNTY STAFF.
WELL, ANYWAY, LET'S FINISH OUR LAND.
WE'LL GET, UM, GIVE HIM A MINUTE TO GATHER THE NOTES, BUT, UH, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT 500 IS SEPARATE APART FROM THE THREE PIECES, ONE OF WHICH INCLUDES THE IMPROVEMENTS TO JOHNSON ROAD FOR THE TERM LANE.
SO WE'VE GOT SEPARATE PIECES THERE.
THAT WAS THE NATURE OF MY QUESTIONS.
YOUR, YOUR PLAN THOUGH, FOR IMPROVEMENTS JOHNSON ROAD, IT DOESN'T REALLY INCLUDE THE WHOLE WIDTH OF JOHNSON ROAD.
YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH NORTH EXIT SIDE, YOU'RE BUILDING A RIGHT TURN LANE AND KIND OF CRAFTING A LEFT TURN LANE.
IT'S IMPROVING THE INTERSECTION AT JOHNSON ROAD.
YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC THERE IN THE ROAD.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THE ROAD STANDARDS ARE, BUT YEAH.
YOU'RE SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TYPE OF WORK YOU'RE GOING TO DO? JUST, JUST PUT PAVEMENT DOWN OR IS IT KIND OF, IS THAT RIGHT? NO.
W W IT WILL TAKE SOME GRADING TO BE ABLE TO GRADE THAT RIGHT TURN LANE IN, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO GRADE IT OUT TO BE DOT STANDARDS.
THEY'LL MAKE US WIDEN OUT THE SHOULDER IN THAT AREA TO GET IT TO THEIR STANDARD.
AND THEN, UH, ADD STONE AND PAVEMENT.
ANDROIDS ARE GONNA, I MEAN, DOES IT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC, IF THAT MAKES THE STANDARDS ANYWAY.
UH, USUALLY WHAT THEY'LL MAKE US DO AS A, AS, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO MATCH THE EXISTING PAVEMENT SECTION.
THEY WILL HAVE BUILT UP THAT PAYMENT SECTION OVER YEARS IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT NOT BREAKING UP ON THEM.
SO WHEN WE CUT INTO IT TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL LANE, UH, FOR THE TURN LANE, UH, GENERALLY THE STANDARD IS TO MATCH EXISTING PAVEMENT.
UNLESS WE OPEN IT UP AND IT'S CLEAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO BEEF IT UP, BUT USUALLY IT'S MATCH EXISTING.
ALL RIGHT, MR. IT WAS MY BELIEF IN CONVERSATIONS THAT THE ONE, THE ESTIMATE OF $500,000, IT WAS A WORST COST ESTIMATE BECAUSE TRANSPORTATION DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING IN.
SO IT WAS THE WORST CASE ASSESSMENT, NOT INCLUDING WHAT THE APPLICANT IS OFFERING, BUT IT WENT FROM THERE BACK TO THE EMPTY PROPERTY.
SO TO GO BACK THROUGH THAT, JUST TO THAT PROPERTY, IT DIDN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING THAT GOES ON UP JOHNSON ROAD EXISTING.
SO AT WORST, IT WOULD BE $500,000 NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING IN THERE.
AND I WAS TOLD BY TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, COUNTY TRANSPORTATION, THAT IF THEY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO BE GOING IN THERE, THEY COULD GET THAT ESTIMATE, PROBABLY GET IT DOWN.
UM, DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, BUT THEY COULD PROBABLY GET IT DOWN, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN THEM TO PROPERTY, TO PROPERTY RIGHTS.
AND, AND YES, MR. JARED, I JUST EXTEND THAT LOGIC A LITTLE FURTHER, UM, TO YOUR POINT, THAT PORTION OF JOHNSON ROAD, THAT'S NOT BEING ATTENDED TO NOW, TYPICALLY AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IF THE TWO PROPERTY WAS BEING REZONED TWO YEARS FROM NOW, AND THERE WAS A USE GOING IN THERE THAT ROAD WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE IMPROVED FOR THAT USED TO GO IN THERE.
AND IT'S BECAUSE AT THE TIME OF THE REZONING, THAT'S WHEN THAT PROFFER WOULD BE OFFERED TO DO THAT.
IF WE REZONE IT NOW, WITHOUT THAT PROFFER, THE M TWO CAN BE BUILT WITHOUT IMPROVING THE ROAD.
SO IT'S KIND OF A, AND THOSE THAT ON THE COUNTY PAPER, IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT OF, YEAH.
SO THE, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ON THE
UM, ONCE YOU PASS THE CREEK IT'S, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE SCREEN, JIMMY, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE SCREEN TO THE JERSEY INDUSTRIAL.
UM, SO THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE BEING MADE TO THE
UM, THERE'S STILL 15 ACRES THERE OF,
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UH, PROPOSED ZONING.UH, THERE ARE NO ANTICIPATED USES, UM, AND, UH, NO IMPROVEMENTS BEYOND THAT FOR THE MQ USES.
DO YOU USUALLY ADDRESS THAT AT THE TIME OF THE REZONING? CORRECT.
BUT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO REZONE NOW WITHOUT ADDRESSING THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOME TIME RESERVED, PROBABLY WE'LL MOVE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
AGAIN, PUBLIC HEARING TECHNICALLY CLOSED, BUT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO US ABOUT THIS APPLICATION.
UH, PLEASE COME ON FORWARD NOW.
UH, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JOHNSON ROAD, BUT I'M ALSO TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER STREET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY NAME IS SUSAN RYE, AND I'M A RECENT RESIDENT AT PARKSIDE VILLAGES NEWEST, AND NOW ALMOST COMPLETED SECTION FOUR.
I'M HERE TO REQUEST EAGLE, CONTINUE TO EXTEND STRAD SET ROAD.
AND THAT'S THE DIAGRAM I SHOWED YOU AS GENERALLY PROMISED AS ORIGINALLY PROMISED INTO SECTION FIVE.
SO THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WILL BE MINIMIZED ON THE NOW COMPLETED RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
HONESTLY, I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN A THIRD ENTRANCE INTO PARKSIDE VILLAGE FROM ASHTON ROAD INTO THE FUTURE SECTION FIVE, BUT IF NOT POSSIBLE, PLEASE, AT LEAST COMPLETE STRATS AT ROAD.
THIS OF COURSE WOULD BE AT NO ADDITIONAL EXPENSE TO ANY OF THE PARKSIDE VILLAGE RESIDENTS.
IF THERE IS NO OTHER ACCESS OFF ALL TO B STREET CALLED THE SAC RESIDENTS ON THE ASHLAND ROAD SIDE WILL BE BOMBARDED WITH ALL KINDS OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT PASSING THEIR HOUSES ALL DAY LONG.
AND I KNOW I WOULD NOT BE HAPPY NOR FEELING VERY SECURE WITH THAT GOING ON IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE FOR PERHAPS YEARS.
DURING SECTION FIVES, CONSTRUCTION PARTS OF SECTION FOUR STREETS HAVE ALREADY HAD TO BE RESURFACED DUE TO THE DAMAGE DONE BY HEAVY CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES.
AS A RESULT, I UNDERSTAND THAT A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS IN THEIR CARS WERE AFFECTED BY HOT ASPHALT BEING DROPPED ONTO POUNCEY TRACT ROAD AND PARKSIDE VILLAGE PARKWAY.
NOT TO FORGET ROCKS THROWN ONTO AUTO WINDSHIELDS ON A REGULAR OCCURRENCE.
AT THIS POINT, THESE TRUCKS, MOST OF WHICH COME FROM ASHLYN ROAD SHOULD NOT BE ENTERING THE COMPLETED SECTIONS OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
THEY SHOULD HAVE A CONSTRUCTION ACCESS, WHICH IF NOT A THIRD ENTRANCE FROM ASHLAND ROAD, AT LEAST STRAD SET ROAD WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE ANY FUTURE PROBLEMS AND WORRIES WITH PARKSIDE VILLAGE RESIDENTS.
THE WORST CASE IT SAID A SENIOR CITIZEN COULD GET HURT.
IF THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE WITH STRENGTHS AT ROAD, EXCUSE ME, I AM SURE THAT BOTH EAGLE WITH ALL THEIR FACILITIES, PLUS V DOT COULD ENGINEER AND PUT IN PROPER PIPES, GRADING, AND ROW TO WORK AROUND ALL OF THAT, JUST LIKE PROBLEM SOLVING TECHNOLOGY AND INGENUITY HAS HAPPENED ALL ACROSS AMERICA AND STILL SAVED OUR ENVIRONMENT.
WE'VE GOT, WE HANDED YOUR PICTURE ALONG HERE.
ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK TO THIS? GENTLEMEN? MY NAME IS BEN JOHNSON, TONY 1 51 JOHNSON ROAD.
COULD WE PULL UP THE, THAT WAS A SLIDE EARLIER THAT GAVE AN OVERVIEW OF SORT OF A RENDERING OF THE WHOLE AREA, INCLUDING JOHNSON ROAD AND ITS EXTENSION INTO QUARRY HILL LANE.
THE RENDERING THERE, BUT EXPANDED
IT WAS ONE IN THE EARLIER SECTIONS.
IT WAS A FULL BUT IT CLEARLY SHOWED THE JOHNSON ROAD.
YOU NEED A MINIMUM STAFF AT THE TOP ONE, YOUR TOP ONE, I THINK
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JUST GO TO THE ONE YOU BOUGHT.I'M SURE AT THE END GO UP THE RENDERING.
I CERTAINLY, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH WITH JOHNSON.
GO AHEAD AND BE AT FIVE AND A SLIDESHOW.
MY LOOK, MY, MY HOUSE IS LOCATED, UH, THE LITTLE TRIANGLE, RIGHT? UH, YOU'LL SEE A WHITE BUILDING AND, UH, TWO WHITE ROOFS RIGHT THERE, CLOSE TOGETHER.
SO THE QUARRY HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 1958 AND MY CONCERNS ARE, UH, I THINK THIS IS A COMPATIBLE.
I THINK IT CAN BE MADE TO WORK, BUT I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT JOHNSON ROAD TERMINATES INTO A PRIVATE ROAD, WHICH IS QUORA HILL AT A M AT MY DRIVEWAY.
AND IT ACTUALLY GOES FOR PARTIALLY, UH, MAYBE NOT QUITE A QUARTER OF A MILE THROUGH A SECTION OF LEASED LAND THAT IS LEASED TO THE QUARRY.
CONSEQUENTLY, UH, IT'S I THINK IN EVERYBODY'S INTEREST THAT WE DISCOURAGE TRAFFIC FROM USING THAT PRIVATE ROAD AND ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO ENCOURAGE ITS USE OF JOHNSON ROAD OUT TO ASHLAND ROAD WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS.
UH, SECONDLY, I WOULD SUGGEST WE MIGHT CONSIDER IN THE
I'VE SEEN SOME PRETTY, SOME GUYS TAKING IT, A LOT OF LIBERTIES WITH THAT SECTION OF ROAD AS THEY MAKE THAT TURN.
UH, LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE BUFFERING IS, BUT I KNOW THERE'S CERTAIN BUFFER BETWEEN, UH, EASTERN LINE.
THEY ARE, UH, THE TWO PROPERTY ON MINE.
UH, IS IT 35 FEET? UH, UNDISTURBED, VEGETATION.
THERE'S ANYBODY CAN HELP ME THERE.
THEY DID BUFFER BETWEEN M TWO AND OUR EXISTING PROPERTY.
UH, GENERALLY THERE'S A NOT, NOT TO BE DISTURBED UP TO A LINE IS A NOT, UM, YOU CAN, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE, IS THERE ANY ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT? UM, I KNOW THAT THERE IS A BUFFER BETWEEN MTU AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
I THOUGHT HE WAS REFERENCING, UM, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS PART OF THE PROFITS.
THERE WERE, THERE IS A 30 FEET OF BUFFER REQUIREMENT FROM THE M TO, TO THE, UM, TO THE ETUDE TO PROPERTY.
AND IT IS A, UM, A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE, UM, EXISTING VEGETATION REMAIN OR, OR FOR IT TO BE SUPPLEMENTED.
THAT'S THAT'S SOME REALLY NICE AT FIELD NEXT TO THE ROAD.
SOME NICE TRADES HAVE GONE RIGHT ON THE LINE AND I WOULD JUST HATE TO SEE THEM CUT DOWN BECAUSE OUR WINDOWS LOOK RIGHT OUT OVER THAT FIELD AND I'D RATHER SEE TREES AND I WOULD SAY MORE BUILDINGS.
WE'RE STILL IN, SO PLEASE COME FORWARD AGAIN.
I LIVE AT 70 36 BEN HALL CIRCLE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD AND THE STAFF FOR ALL THEIR TIME AND ATTENTION THAT THEY'VE INVESTED IN THIS APPLICATION.
AND FOR ALLOWING COMMENT, I, FOR ONE, APPRECIATE THE IDEA OF TRANSITIONING RESIDENTIAL INTO THE INDUSTRIAL AND BUSINESS SECTIONS.
UM, AND WITH THE PROFFERS, UM, EAGLE HAS REALLY GONE
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A LONG WAY IN, UH, INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE BERM AND THE DENSITY OF THE BERM.UH, AND SO DOING, THEY REFERRED TO THE BERM UP MY WAY, UM, SECTION ONE, AND THEY PUT IN A BERM ALONG PARK VILLAGE BOULEVARD WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE SECOND MODEL.
SO BEN HALL CIRCLE HAS ENDURED THE ORIGINAL MODEL ON THE TOP OF BEN HALL.
AND THEN THE SECOND MODEL, WHICH IS MY SIDE, UM, AND THEY PUT IN THE BERM, UH, FOR MARKETING PURPOSE PURPOSES TO SELL HOUSES.
SO WE, WE HAVE APPRECIATED THAT BERM CAUSE IT HAS BEEN A BUFFER BETWEEN US AND ALL SHOCKS.
WE USED TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THE MUSIC AND THE CARWASH AND WE CAN NO LONGER SEE OR HEAR THAT.
HOWEVER, UM, THE OTHER THING IS IN, IN ESTABLISHING THIS BURN FOR THIS PROFFER, THEY REFERRED TO THAT BERM AND THOSE PEOPLE IN SECTION FOUR HAVE ASKED US ABOUT IT.
AND OF COURSE I'M TELLING THEM WHAT I'M TELLING YOU, BUT WE LEARNED WHEN WE CAME BEFORE YOU ALL ABOUT THE ELKS, THAT THAT REALLY IS NOT OUR BERM, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE PAID FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF IT THROUGH OUR HOA DUES.
SO EAGLE'S CORE VALUE IS ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND NATALIE AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS.
SO THIS ISN'T A SURPRISE TO HER IN TERMS OF MY CONCERN THAT BEFORE THEY EXIT PARKSIDE VILLAGE, THAT THEY SHOULD REALLY TAKE CARE OF, UM, HAVING THAT BERM BECOME PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THAT DOES NOT GO AWAY WITH DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT IN A PUBLIC SETTING AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
UH, YVONNE JOHNSON, 2151 JOHNSON ROAD.
UM, ONE QUICK QUESTION THAT WE'RE A LITTLE CONFUSED BY WITH THE OLD PROPOSAL AND THE NEW PROPOSAL AND THE TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE CURRENT PROPOSAL SAYS THAT THE TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS ARE LINKED TO THE B ONE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD SEEM TO IMPLY THAT YOU COULD DO THE M TWO DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU DIDN'T DO THE B ONE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT MAKING ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROADS.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S CORRECT, OR IF, OR HOW IS IT, HOW IS, YOU KNOW, OUR BOAT ARE DEVELOPING EITHER PORTION LINKED TO THE ROAD DEVELOPMENTS OR IS IT ONLY THE B ONE? THANK YOU, MS. JOHNSON.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ON THIS APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO DECISION, DISCUSSION AND DECISION AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
AND LET'S, UM, INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME ON OUT THEN FOR YOUR TIME TO RESPOND TO WHAT YOU HEARD.
AGAIN, NATALIE CROFT, UM, WITH REGARD TO STRENGTHS AT ROAD, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT VITO HAD REQUIRED US TO PROVIDE A STUB TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY FROM STRAD AT ROAD.
UM, AND THE COUNTY REQUIRED THAT FUTURE ROADWAY, EXTENSION SIGN FOR US TO PLAY, TO PLACE THAT AT THAT STUB ROAD.
UM, WE DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY.
THAT PROPERTY IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY.
UM, IT'S NOT A PART OF THE APPLICATION.
IF THE PROPERTY WERE TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD BE ACCESSED VIA THE STUB AT STRETCH SET ROAD.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION.
WE DO HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE FOR HEAVY EARTH WORK MACHINERY PROFFERED TO BE ONLY FROM JOHNSON ROAD.
UM, THE TURN LANE PROFFER ON THE B ONE M TWO PORTION IT REFERENCES OR SO WHICHEVER PROPERTY COMES FIRST, THE TURN LANES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PROVIDED BEFORE THEN.
UM, IT'S NOT LINKED DIRECTLY TO THE B ONE IT'S TO THE B ONE OR THE
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ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, JUST MENTIONED, MR. MR. MITCHELL MENTIONED THAT TO MR. JOHNSON'S CONCERN ABOUT THE TREES REMAINING.UM, THE PROPERTY IS PRETTY FLAT BACK THERE, SO THERE LIKELY WON'T BE MUCH GRADING MEETING TO BE TAKEN PLACE.
SO, UM, THE TREES WOULD LIKELY STAY.
UM, I HEAR MS. LOVETT'S CONCERNS.
SHE AND I HAVE SPOKEN ON THE PHONE SEVERAL TIMES AND IT DOES, UM, AM HEARTENED TO HEAR THAT THE BERM AND THE PLANTINGS HAVE BUFFERED THE NOISE AND THE VIEW SHED.
I DO HEAR HER CONCERNS ABOUT PROTECTING SECTION ONE.
ALSO, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, REGARDING MR. JOHNSON, HIS, HIS, HIS PROPERTY IS AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC PORTION.
BASICALLY OUR, HIS DRIVEWAY STARTS AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC PORTION AS FAR.
THAT'S WELL BELOW WHERE YOU ALL ARE TALKING TO US, BUT HE'S SAYING THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UH, MS. SHERRY, YOU SAID THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A REQUIRED BUFFER BETWEEN HIS 82 PARCEL AND THE EMPTY PARCEL TO HIS NORTH.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT? AT LEAST THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT DOESN'T EVEN GO NEARLY THAT FAR.
SO I WAS, I WENT ON GIS TO TRY TO LOOK AT THE TAX PARCELS.
DO WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT CAN SHOW US THAT THE REASON I'D LIKE TO JUST SEE THE REZONING REQUEST, MAKE SURE THE WHOLE PARCEL, THIS WHOLE PARCEL THAT'S IN RED IS, UM, SO YOU'RE WANTING TO SEE THAT DID THE DIVISION OF EACH.
IT'S NOT IN THE PRESENTATION THOUGH.
SO THE VERY LAST, UH, FOR SOME REASON I CAN'T GET TO OUR GIS.
THAT SHOWS WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED.
YOU, WELL, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY 41.3, THREE, FOUR ACRES, 82.
AND RPU D WHAT PERCENTAGE WAS IT ORIGINALLY? THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU'VE ALWAYS ASKED, RIGHT.
UM, THIS IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS REQUESTING AS FAR AS THE, UM, ACREAGE.
HOW'S IT ZONE TODAY? OH, IT IS THERE IN TODAY.
AND I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION AS WELL.
A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED A TWO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, PARDON ME? I HAVE LIKE A SLIDE RIGHT HERE THAT SHOWS THE BREAK DOWN.
UM, SO, UM, YEAH, SO THIS, UM, THAT RED LINE, UH, IS, UH, THE CORNER OF THE LARGE PARCEL THAT YOU SAW THAT IS ZONED A TO, UH, THAT RED LINE THAT IS SPLIT ACTUALLY DOES NO LONGER EXIST.
UM, TH THE, THE PARCEL WAS, UM, ACTUALLY SPLIT SINCE, UM, THIS APPLICATION ORIGINALLY BEGAN, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THERE'S A SMALL PORTION THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE, UM, PARKSIDE VILLAGE ZONING THAT WAS ZONED RPU D THAT THEY'RE NOW BRINGING INTO THIS APPLICATION, BUT THE REST OF IT IS ZONED A TWO.
DOES NOT TELL ME HOW MANY ACRES ARE IN THE TWO CLASSIFICATIONS, A TWO AND RPA.
I LIKE THE ANSWER EASILY BECAUSE I CAN GO BACK TO THE APPLICATION.
BRIAN MITCHELL TOWN, SITE ENGINEERING.
I I'D SAY, I MEAN, THE TWO LITTLE BLUE AREAS THAT YOU SEE SEE ON THE SCREEN ARE, ARE JUST AREAS THAT ARE IN THE EXISTING PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
RPU D I MEAN, THEY CAN'T BE MORE THAN AN ACRE.
I MEAN, TH THE COMBINED, COMBINED, YEAH, THE PRINCIPAL IT'S, THE, THE SITE IS PRINCIPALLY ALL IS OWED A TO THE ONLY PORTION THAT'S RPU D IS JUST THE LITTLE SLIVERS AND, UH, EXISTING PARKSIDE THAT ARE COMING IN SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THE CONNECTION.
ARE YOU TRYING TO GET TO YOUR 20 ACRES? I THINK WE'RE BRINGING THOSE IN, UM, I MEAN, GO AHEAD.
TAG TEAM FOR THAT LAST ONE, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE AREAS IN THE BLUE OUTLINE WERE NOT PLANTED LOTS.
WHEN WE PLANTED SECTION FOUR, THEY WERE RESIDUAL LAND THAT WASN'T BIG ENOUGH TO MAKE A LOT BY BRINGING THEM IN AND COMBINING IT WITH THE, A TWO PARCEL.
WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE STREETSCAPE DOWN WITHOUT HAVING THESE MISSING TEETH SORTED.
I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT TWO MONTHS AGO.
SO HE DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.
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TO US PRIOR TO EAGLE, I HAD A MEETING WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO HAVE THE END TWO, AND THEY WANTED TO PUT THE RPD UP TOP THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THOSE TWO BLUE SECTIONS.AND THEY ONLY HAD ABOUT 19.1 ACRES.
SO WE TOLD THEM YOU CAN'T DO RPD BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TO LAND WITH THESE TWO PIECES.
SO THAT GIVES IT THE QUALIFICATION FOR M TO, FOR RPD, WHICH HAS TO BE AT LEAST 20.
RIGHT? SO PRIOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAD ORIGINALLY BROUGHT IT OVER A YEAR AGO, IT WAS DECEMBER.
IT WAS DECEMBER OF 19, UH, HAD COME AND TALKED TO US ABOUT IT.
THEY SAID, CAN YOU MAKE AN EXCEPTION? WE SAID, NO, CAN'T DO THAT.
SO WHAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE NOW IS EAGLE OWNS THAT EXTRA LAND THAT THEY COULD BRING INTO IT TO GET IT OVER THE 20 ACRES.
NOBODY ELSE COULD DO THIS UNLESS EAGLES SOLD THEM, THOSE TWO LITTLE PIECES OF THE LAND.
SO THEY'RE IN A GOOD POSITION, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO DOES IT MAKE THE COMP PLAN? WHY? OKAY.
UM, THE COMP PLAN, UM, DEXA NATE SAID AS, UM, FLEXIBLE FLEX.
SO REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN FLEX.
WE HAVE A TRANSITION CHALLENGE HERE IS WHY THIS, SO ANY FIRST CAME, I LOOKED AT IT AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T FIT WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT PARKSIDE VILLAGE, YOU'VE GOT THIS LITTLE CORNER PIECE OF LAND SITTING THERE WITH COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ALL AROUND IT.
AND THIS SORT OF SQUARES OFF PARKSIDE VILLAGE TO ASHLAND ROAD.
AND THEN FROM THERE ON IN, AND I HAD SAID, IF YOU, IF, IF WE AGREED TO THAT AND THEY'RE ON IT, IT'D BE, IT WOULD BE THE LAST BASTION OF, OF RESIDENTIAL ON ASHLAND ROAD AND EVERYTHING ALL THE WAY INTO, TOWARDS CENTERVILLE WOULD END UP BEING COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL.
AND IT, TO ME, IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT.
IT'S JUST NOT KNOWING WHAT THE MTS CAN TO BE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER ZONED A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BE SOMETHING NOT KNOWING WHAT WAS GOING TO BE BUILT ON IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, MY FEAR IS THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.
WELL, WE'RE HEARING SOME FOLKS THAT, THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS TELLING US THERE'S LOTS OF INTEREST, BUT THE INTEREST KIND OF WANES WHEN I HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT, START FROM GROUND, YOU KNOW, STEP ONE AND REZONING PROCESS.
SHOW ME SOME LAND THAT IS ZONED THAT I CAN DO SOMETHING WITH NOW.
SO YEAH, GO AHEAD, MR. PETERSON, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UM, SO THIS PROPOSAL HAS GONE THROUGH SOME EVOLUTIONARY CHANGE AND THERE'S BEEN SOME ACCOMMODATIONS MADE, AND WE'RE WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
UM, I WOULD ASK STAFF, UM, WHAT REMAINING ISSUES ARE FROM, FROM STAFF STANDPOINT AND THEIR WORDS THEY'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE EVOLVED, WE'VE EVOLVED.
ARE THERE REMAINING OPEN ISSUES? AND IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET? CERTAINLY.
SO THROUGH OUR EVALUATION, UM, AS MS. LAST CO-LEAD POINTED OUT THAT THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, WE ALSO NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, THAT THE COMMITMENT TO, UM, TO, TO DOING ANY DEVELOPING OF THE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL PIECES, UH, PRIOR TO THE RESIDENTIAL THAT WAS MENTIONED.
AND LASTLY, UM, THE CONCERNS WITH THE SAFETY, UM, WITH THE TRUCK TRAFFIC ON JOHNSON ROAD, THOSE ARE WHAT WE'VE BASICALLY HAVE NARROWED IT DOWN ARE OUR EXISTING CONCERNS.
WELL, THAT'S HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS OUR ATTENTION ON REMAINING ISSUES.
SO THERE'S REALLY THREE JOHNSON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND WHO PAYS FOR THEM.
AND JUST THE EXISTING CONDITION.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT IMPROVED THAT THE SAFETY CAPACITY WITH ALL THE CHOCOLATES.
ON THAT POINT, IT STRIKES ME THAT IF WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FINANCIAL SENSE TO DO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE NEED TO BE DONE DURING A REZONING OF THE M TWO.
AND IF IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FINANCIAL SENSE FOR THEM, WHOEVER DEVELOPS THE M TWO, IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE
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ANY FINANCIAL SENSE FOR THEM EITHER.AND MY CONCERN IS IT WOULDN'T MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE FOR ANYBODY TO DO THOSE ROTOR IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE CERTAINLY WOULD BE NO REQUIREMENT FOR THEM.
AND AGAIN, MAY OR MAY NOT MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE.
SO, SO HOW THEN DOES DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS GET MADE AND BY WHO? UM, WELL, WE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO NAIL THAT DOWN NOW, BUT BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME IDEA OR SOME VISION OF SAYING, OKAY, WELL, AS THIS THING DEVELOPS AND THEY DO BUILD THEM TOO, THIS IS GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF IN SOME FASHION.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT MIGHT PLAY OUT.
UM, THE OTHER TWO, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL PARKSIDE VILLAGES THERE.
THIS IS AN EXTENSION OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, THE INTERSECTION AND WHATNOT, WE'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD, THE BUFFERS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO YOUR THIRD REMAINING, UH, THE LAST ONE WAS, UM, THE, THE PHASING OF THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GOING TO GET, COVID JUST PUT THE, UH, YEAH.
PUT THE RESIDENTIAL AND NOTHING HAPPENED TO THE OTHER PIECES, BUT OKAY.
WE REALLY HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING TONIGHT ABOUT THE PHASING THAT REALLY HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED MUCH HERE.
NO, BUT IN THE APPLICANT'S DEFENSE, THEY DID SAY THAT THE, UM, ECONOMIC DUDE BELLMAN DID, DID COME OUT AND SAY THAT THERE IS KIND OF A NEED FOR IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, BUT NOT FOR PHASING PURPOSES.
SO WE HAVEN'T TALKED TOO MUCH ABOUT THAT TONIGHT AND PHASE ANSWER, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE IN OTHER AREAS WHERE WE DO AN MPDS OR, YOU KNOW YES.
AND THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR THE MPD.
WELL, THANK YOU, MICHELLE, PERSONALLY, THAT JUST HELPS FOCUS OUR ATTENTION A LITTLE OR ANY ISSUES.
I THINK FOR ME, IT'S THE ONE IS JOHNSON ROAD TRAFFIC.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT THE LAST TWO MONTHS KIND OF ADJUSTING THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANTS KIND OF GIVING THEIR PERSPECTIVE, UM, THE COMP PLAN.
I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO EXIST.
UH, I THINK HE CALLS FOR FLEX, BUT I THINK THE BETTER THING TO DO IS DO THIS TRANSITION.
UM, I MEAN, YOU'RE UP TO THE COREY TO THE SET SETBACK FOR THE QUARRY.
SO THE PHASING, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I HOPE WE DON'T GET BOGGED DOWN IN PHASING.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY PHASING.
THEY'RE NOT COMMITTING TO DO ANYTHING.
THIS IS NOT A WHOLE PACKAGE, LIKE AN MPD WHERE WE WOULD TALK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PHASE THE COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK THE PHASING IS JUST GOING TO BE A FUNCTION OF, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S GONNA COME ALONG WITH THE PROJECT AND, AND PURSUE IT.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TWO MONTHS AGO, THE TRANSITION PIECE AND, AND THEY'RE PROFFERED TO, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN THE DEED THAT THE QUARRY, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING TO THE PROFFER.
YOU'RE AT, YOU'RE ADDING, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY BUYS A HOME IN THERE.
AND I MEAN, PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE WHAT'S HAPPENING JUST TO THEIR SOUTH, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT IS COMING VERSUS A SITUATION WHERE FOLKS PURCHASE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND SUDDENLY SOMEBODY COMES ALONG YEARS LATER AND SAYS, HEY, I WANT TO PUT COMMERCIAL NEXT TO YOUR RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS TO ME IS THE OPTIMAL WAY TO, TO ADDRESS THE TRANSITION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE IN THIS AREA TO GET EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THERE, WHERE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR IT, THAT WE WANT IT.
SO TO ME, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PUT FLEX THERE RIGHT BELOW RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS NOT, NO, NO, NO DEVELOPER, PERSON'S ASKING TO DO THAT.
BUT IF WE WERE TO WANT THAT, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE HARDER THAN SELLING RESIDENTIAL TO FOLKS THAT KNOW WHAT'S COMING BELOW THEM, EVEN IF IT'S NOT DARK TURNING.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONTROL PHASING.
WE MIGHT NOT LIKE IT, BUT I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I THINK GETTING THE TRANSITION AND THE WAY THAT'S HAPPENING IS IS, IS OF SOME SIGNIFICANT VALUE FOR US TO MOVE IN, TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS SPACE, UH, WITH THIS, UH, QUADRANT IN OUR COUNTY, WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE M M USES, UM, THE JOHNSON ROAD TRAFFIC IS THERE'S TRAFFIC THERE.
UH, A GENTLEMAN FROM TOWNS, YOU WERE HELPFUL, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED TO THE POINT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE FOR THE USE THAT MAY GO THERE.
MS. YVONNE JOHNSON ASKED A GOOD QUESTION THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE ANSWER TO WHICH, WHICH PROPERTY IS REQUIRING THIS ROAD IMPROVEMENT.
IS IT THE B ONE? IS IT, IF YOU WEREN'T DOING ONE OR WEREN'T DOING THE OTHER, WOULD THERE STILL BE THIS REQUIREMENT? THE PROFFERS REQUIRE THEM AT THAT BEFORE A CEO FOR EITHER THE B ONE OR THE MTU PROPERTY.
SO EITHER EITHER ONE GOING THERE WOULD TRIGGER THE SAME THING.
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I MEAN, AS MUCH AS THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING NOT TO LIKE, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE, MAYBE EVEN LATER TONIGHT ABOUT ROADS THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE, WHERE WE'D LIKE THEM TO BE AND, UH, WHAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE IT SO THAT THE PROJECT IS ON, UH, IS UNWORKABLE, OR WE CAN, UH, DO, DO WHAT WE CAN, I GUESS, TO GET THE BEST OUTCOME IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND, AND SEE HOW THE, HOW TO DEVELOPMENT GOES FORWARD.WE HAVE, I MEAN, OUR WHOLE WAY OF MANAGING TRANSPORTATION IS GOING TO BE UNDER SO, SO MUCH CHANGE WITH THE CBTA AND OUR CHANGING ROLE ON TRANSPORTATION AND WHAT VISA ISN'T ISN'T GOING TO DO.
SO I WISH I HAD A CRYSTAL BALL ON HOW THIS TRANSPORTATION WOULD PLAY OUT, BUT IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR US.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET ANY MORE OUT OF, OUT OF THIS APPLICATION.
I MEAN, IN TERMS OF GETTING IT TO WHERE IT WILL END UP, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF MY THOUGHTS, MR. I GOT ONE MORE QUICK ONE.
THAT'S ALL, UH, WE GENERALLY UP TO TRY TO WEIGH THE PLUSES AND MINUSES AND ACT IN THE COUNTY'S BEST INTEREST.
WE'VE GOT THE, UH, CASH PROFITS HAVE BEEN OFFERED TO OFFSET THE IMPACTS AS CALCULATED BY OUR MODEL.
MY QUESTION, WHEREAS WE'RE DOING THE PLUSES AND MINUSES OFFSETS, AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF COUNTY.
IS THERE A SCENARIO OR IS THERE A WHERE THE COUNTY ENDS UP PAYING FOR THAT JOHNSON ROAD IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE RE WOULD BE REQUIRED AT SOME POINT, COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD THAT COME BACK? AND I CAN'T.
SO AS I'M DOING THE PLUSES AND MINUSES AND TRY AND ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST AND BALANCE, ALL THIS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S REALLY NOBODY IDENTIFIED TO DO THAT IMPROVEMENT.
IS THERE A SCENARIO WHERE WE END UP HAVING TO DO IT SO IT COULD IN THE BACK END, CAUSE THAT WOULD WEIGH INTO MY DECISION IF IT WAS, AND IF IT WASN'T THEN, SO YOU HAVE TO NOT BE TIED INTO THAT.
I MEAN, WHO PAYS FOR IT? IF WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD STOP PAYING FOR IT, THEN WE DID.
IS THERE ANY OTHER SOURCE BE DONE? I WILL NOT MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO INCREASE CAPACITY THEY'LL WEIGH MAINTENANCE.
SO ANY CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE ON THE COUNTY IF IT WASN'T DONE BY THE DEVELOPER.
UM, AND THE ONLY TIME TO GET THE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THROUGH THE DEVELOPER IS DURING REZONING CASE.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS GOING FORWARD WOULD BE ACCEPTING A $500,000 BILL AT SOME POINT PLUS OR MINUS.
I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT ONE NUMBER IS, BUT, UM, WE W WE DON'T KNOW THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S NEAT.
THAT WAS A, I WAS IN THE MEETING WITH MR. SHARPEN.
THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF A ROUGH, WE DIDN'T EVEN, I THINK MS. CROFT SAID SHE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW FAR DOWN IT GOES.
I THINK IT GOES DOWN TO THE, THE IDEA WAS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT A DIAGRAM, IT GOES DOWN TO ABOUT THE END OF THE NEW ZONING PLACE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FEET THAT IS, UM, BUT TIED TO THIS.
AND I THINK MR. JOHNSON SAID, UH, DO PEOPLE USE THIS ROAD AND JUST TRAVEL DOWN THE PRIVATE ROAD ON UNSTOPPED ANYWAY.
AND SO THE QUESTION IS WHO OWNS THAT PRIVATE ROAD? AND BECAUSE THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH, IF IT'S AN EASIER WAY OUT TO GO DOWN A PRIVATE ROAD AND THE PRIVATE ROAD OWNER IS NOT PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM GOING THAT WAY.
UM, I JUST KIND OF WONDERING HOW THAT PLAYS INTO, YOU KNOW, OUR CONCERNS ABOUT CAPACITY.
AT ONE TIME, THE ROAD WAS CHAINED OFF.
UM, RECENTLY, UH, YOU'VE BEEN A I'VE DRIVEN DOWN IT AND YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY OUT TO POUNCEY TRACT ROAD.
IT APPEARS THAT, UM, THE QUARRY IS STARTING TO UTILIZE THAT TO GO OUT TO POUNCEY TRACK.
UM, BUT AT ONE POINT IT WAS CHAINED OFF, BUT ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURRED HERE, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY USE THAT ROAD ALSO TO GO TO POUNCEY DRIVE.
IF YOU, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO YOU DON'T WANT TO FIGHT THAT INTERSECTION IN HANOVER COUNTY DURING A ROUGH HOUR, YOU MAY DECIDE TO GO THE BACK WAY.
AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HEAD UP TOWARDS SHORT PUMP OR SOMETHING.
WHO DOES ACTUALLY ON THE ROAD, DO YOU KNOW? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF CITADEL CARD ARRAY.
HIS PROPERTY IS, UM, ON POUNCEY TRACK.
I'M TRYING TO ADVANCE THE BALL HERE A LITTLE BIT AGAIN, UH, IN MY MIND IS ONLY THREE THINGS WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO HERE.
CONSIDER, UH, A COMPLETION OR FINISHING OFF OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE, APPROVING A REZONING FOR B ONE WITH SOME INTERSECTION.
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AND THE THIRD ONE IS REZONING A PIECE FOR HIM TOO, THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE AND NO IDEA WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THE EXTENSION.SO I THINK THE FIRST TWO IN MY MIND, ANYWHERE, A LOT EASIER TO GET TO THEN THE THIRD PIECE.
UM, BUT WE'RE KIND OF BEING ASKED TO ROLL THREE, APPROVALS ALL INTO ONE.
ONE PACKAGE IS THE WAY, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT.
CAN WE SAY THE MAP AGAIN? SHOW ME THE THREE.
CAN YOU SEE JUST YOUR NEXT SLIDE AFTER THIS? YOU THINK IT IS FOR HACKERY? OKAY.
SO CAN I PLEASE COME ON IN? YES.
SO I, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, I MEAN, I THINK THE M TWO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF WORK IN MUNICIPALITIES.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SPECULATIVE, M TWO FOR YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS, I THINK IS A BENEFIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THE JOHNSON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT QUADRANT THAT HAS THE B ONE ON IT, YOU KNOW, THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT IS REALLY PAYING FOR ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS OUT ON ASHLAND ROAD.
AND THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT, NOT JUST TO THIS SITE, BUT TO WHAT'S EXISTING OUT THERE WITH THE QUARRY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S COMING, UH, WITH THE B ONE, CERTAINLY THERE'S ANOTHER QUADRANT ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PICKING UP THE COST FOR THAT, WITH THE TURN LANES, IN ADDITION TO IMPROVING ASHLAND ROAD FOR WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE QUARRY.
NOW THAT'S A LOT TO PAY, YOU KNOW, FOR JUST THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE JOHNSON ROAD, YOU DO HAVE ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE IF ONE OF THE OTHER QUADRANTS COMES FORWARD.
JUST ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
THERE'S TOO MANY WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS, BUT THAT'S GOOD.
UH, I THINK WHAT MR. PETERSON IS SAYING, LET'S LET THE
TURN YOUR TURN, TURN YOUR MICHAEL, SORRY.
THE B ONE AND THE M TWO IS SEPARATE FROM THE RPU D I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE DOING, IN OTHER WORDS, EAGLE'S GONNA GO IN AND DEVELOP THE RPU D WHO'S GOING TO DEVELOP THE B ONE AND THEN THE M TWO WE KNOW IS SITTING THERE, BUT THAT B ONE IS ALSO SITTING THERE AS A SEPARATE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S TWO OTHER B, ONE PROPERTIES RIGHT AROUND THAT.
THEY'RE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND THERE'S BEEN NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER.
SO, YOU KNOW, NOT A REASON NOT TO DO B ONE, BUT, UM, JUST AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION.
SO JUST, IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND LET ME SEE WHAT YOU, SORRY.
UM, MY NAME, MR. CHAIRMAN, FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS JAMES CRUZ AND I'M THE, UH, BROKER IN CONSULTANT REPRESENTING THE, UH, CURRENT LAND OWNER.
UH, THEY ALL, ALL OF US PROPERTIES, ALL OF THIS FAMILY.
AND, UM, SO THEY, THEY HAVE THE PROPERTY LISTED WITH ME CURRENTLY, AND I'VE BEEN ACTIVELY MARKETING THIS PROPERTY FOR OVER A YEAR NOW.
AND, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME INTEREST IN THE
AND, UM, ANYTIME A USER COMES TO ME LOOKING FOR AN INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL SITE, UM, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE READY TO DO SOMETHING.
UM, SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PROPERTY.
THAT'S ALREADY ZONE HAS A PUBLIC UTILITIES IN PLACE, ALL THE ENTITLEMENTS IN PLACE.
AND IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T MEET THAT CRITERIA, YOU JUST DON'T EVEN MAKE THE LIST.
AND SO THAT'S SORT OF THE, WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS PROPERTY POSITIONED SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE AN ATTRACTIVE PROPERTY FOR A USER.
AND WE WERE TALKING TO DEVELOPERS AND USERS ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
WE'VE GOT AT LEAST TWO DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE AN INTEREST, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE STILL HAVE THIS UNKNOWN ABOUT THE OFFSITE DEVELOPMENT COSTS, DAYS, THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, AND, YOU KNOW, THESE DEVELOPERS, THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY UNTIL THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR EXPOSURE IS.
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AND SAME THING WITH THE UNIT.I MEAN, MOST USERS THEY'RE ON A TIGHTER, SHORTER TIMEFRAME THAN A DEVELOPER IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SITE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH READY TO GO.
SO THAT'S SORT OF, KIND OF WHERE THE STATUS OF THE PROPERTY TODAY.
I MEAN, WE'RE ACTIVELY MARKETING IT.
YOU'RE THE COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT KNOWS ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION AS WELL AS THE STATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
LET ME JUST WRAP IT UP BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER HERE, BUT I APPRECIATE IT.
SO BACK BACK TO OR DISCUSSION.
SO IF WE WERE TO, UM, APPROVE THIS REZONING, THE WAY IT'S SHOWN HERE WITH THE CONDITIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, WE'RE TAKING A CHANCE.
THE COUNTY'S TAKEN A CHANCE ON THAT ROAD.
WE KNOW THAT ROAD JOHNSON ROAD IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE IMPROVED SOMETIME DEPENDING ON WHAT THE AM TO USAGE.
ALL RIGHT, THIS IS, HAVE YOUR USE ON THE ROAD.
THAT RIGHT NOW IS SUBS IS A SUBSTANDARD RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUESTION.
I ME, I MEAN, I GO OUT THERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF LARGE TRUCKS GOING BACK AND FORTH AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A ROAD THAT'S READY FOR LOTS OF LARGE TRUCKS GOING BACK AND FORTH.
SO, I MEAN, EVEN TODAY, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT PROBABLY, UM, SUITABLE FOR THE CURRENT TRAFFIC MUST LIST, ADDING NEW TRAFFIC.
SO TO TAKE A CHANCE, I MEAN, I I'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS WORK, COME BACK TO HELP ME GET TO YES.
TO PUT THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS COUNTY ON THE LINE FOR WHATEVER IT IS.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO TO JOHNSON ROAD AS A PROBLEM FOR ME.
AND WE KNOW OVER TIME THAT COST GOES UP, THIS APPLICANT SHOULDN'T PAY FOR IT EITHER.
I TOTALLY KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT WHY SOME OF THE MONEY THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT USING FOR THIS INTERCHANGE, YOU'RE DOING THREE TURN LANES.
COULD YOU DO TWO? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST THROWING OUT SOMETHING TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET TO.
JOHNSON ROAD IS A PROBLEM TO ME.
YOU MEAN, I, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WHY IT FALLS ON US.
SO WHAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT V DOT, IF THE ROADS START THERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD ANY NEW ROADS WITH A ROAD STARTS TO FAIL, THEN VENA TAKES CARE OF THE ROAD.
SO IF THIS ROAD BEGINS TO FAIL, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY WORK FOR CAPACITY, DON'T WORRY.
I THINK THEY'LL REPAY THEM, BUT THEN REPAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EXTEND IT.
SO WE'RE EXPECTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL POCKET ROAD BECAUSE THAT'S CAPACITY BEING ADDED, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE OTHER PIECE I WOULD SAY IS THAT FOR FIVE, WE'RE LOOKING AT $2 MILLION A YEAR CBTA FUNDS, AND WE HEARD MR. LYLE TODAY TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF WE HAVE A GOAL OF 70, 30, 70% RESIDENTIAL, 30 SOME POINT, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO KICK IN AND START HELPING THESE BUSINESSES.
AND I KNOW THIS UNIQUE BECAUSE THERE IS THIS BOGEY OF, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ACTUALLY COMING, BUT AT SOME POINT, IF THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT AND OUR SYSTEMS TELL US ON THE DAILY BASIS, WE WANT TO KEEP THIS RURAL.
AND WE BELIEVE TO DO THAT, IS THAT WE NEED TO GET SOME BUSINESS BUILT AND GOING.
UM, I THINK, UH, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID, UM, DON'T STOP LISTENING UNTIL YOU HEAR THE BUTTON OR THE HOWEVER YOU GOT TO KEEP LISTENING TO YOU HEAR THE BUTTER, THE HOWEVER, UM, HOWEVER, I THINK WHERE WE'VE PULLED UP SHORT IS, IS NOT GETTING INTO THE SPEC BUSINESS.
WE'VE NEVER BUILT SPEC WAREHOUSE OR SPEC OFFICE SPACE OR SPEC, ANYTHING.
WE HAVEN'T DONE A LOT OF PAVING AND THEN HOPE IT'LL COME THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, BUT I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
WE'D LOVE TO HAVE BUSINESS COM.
WE'D LOVE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, BUT, BUT WE'VE GOT, WE'VE PULLED UP SHORT OF, OF, OF KIND OF SPEC.
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IS IF, ORWHAT I HAVEN'T HEARD IS THAT IF B ONE GETS DONE, IT TRIGGERS THE IMPROVEMENTS, THE INTERSECTIONS UP TO SPEED THAT IF M TWO FOLLOWS THAT THERE WOULD BE A PROFIT TO BRING JOHNSON ROAD UP TO SPEED TO THE M TWO.
I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT PIECE OF IT.
AND WE'VE BASICALLY HEARD THAT IF EITHER ONE OF THOSE GETS DONE, THE INTERSECTION GETS DONE.
BUT AT SOME POINT WHEN M TWO GETS DONE, IT DOESN'T TRIGGER TO DO THE REST OF IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE FALL, PULL UP SHORT AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE TABLE NOW, BECAUSE THAT PIECE THEN OBVIOUSLY LOOKING FOR WAYS TO GET TO YES, HERE.
AND, AND IF THE RPD IS AN EXTENSION, IT'D BE ONE TRIGGERS THE INTERSECTION, IF M TWO TRIGGERED THE REST OF GUCCI OF JOHNSON, THEN THIS LOT OF THESE ISSUES MELT AWAY.
BUT I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT YET.
SO I'M JUST, UM, BUT, BUT TO YOUR POINT, UH, MS. SPOONER, I, I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING, BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T MADE THAT SPEC INVESTMENT.
UM, THAT'S REALLY NOT A ROLE THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD PLAY, BUT I GUESS NOT SPEAKING FOR MR. SPOONER, BUT I GUESS HER REACTION TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T QUITE SEE THIS TOTALLY ANALOGOUS TO SPEC, BUT I, BUT I SEE YOUR POINT, BUT WE'VE ALSO BEEN WAITING QUITE A WHILE AND WE HAVE A LONG LIST OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR M TWO, WE'VE BEEN WAITING QUITE A WHILE AND NOTHING'S BEEN HAPPENING IN THAT, IN THAT QUADRANT OR, OR NOT SAYING NOTHING'S BEEN HAPPENING, BUT THE THINGS THAT WE ENVISION HAVEN'T STARTED TAKING PLACE, IS THIS A, IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KICKSTART IT? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO DO ANYTHING WITH JOHNSON ROAD.
I JUST THINK IT'S GOING TO GET TO THE POINT THAT JOHNSON ROAD IS GOING TO NEED SOMETHING.
AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO GET INTO OUR, OF WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT WITH DOING, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION PRIORITIES? I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GET TO A POINT THAT SUDDENLY SOMEBODY CAN SAY, OKAY, COUNTY, YOU GOT TO GO BUILD A ROAD THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET LIKE A LOT OF OUR TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.
IT'S GOING TO GET TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE SAYING, HEY, THERE'S, THERE'S NEEDS OUT HERE COUNTY.
YOU NEED TO, YOU HAVE A ROLE IN TRANSPORTATION THROUGH YOUR CBTA MONEY AND OTHER AVENUES, AND YOU NEED TO START PRIORITIZING THAT'S THAT'S COMING.
I THINK WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
SO I, I, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE AN ELEMENT THAT, OKAY, THE, THE OWNER IS PUTTING IT ON US AND, AND, AND LETTING US, YOU KNOW, LETTING US DO THE RESET REZONING WITHOUT WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY THINK IS THE PROPERTY.
DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? AND THAT'S FAIR, FAIR QUESTION.
I DON'T, IF I COULD REPHRASE WHAT MR. PETERSON SAID, THERE WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY, AGAIN, IT'S NOT BEEN OFFERED, BUT THIS CASE COULD HAVE A PROFFER THAT SAYS BEFORE M TWO DEVELOPS, THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY DONE AND DO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED BY IT.
AND THEN YOU WOULD KNOW IN THIS CASE THAT IF, AND WHEN M TWO CAME, THEY'D HAVE TO BE MAKING THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT COME WITH IT.
NOW THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IN ESSENCE WAS WE DON'T SEE HERE THAT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS FOR FUTURE M TWO, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ON THE TABLE.
THAT'S HOW IT, IT COULD COME FORWARD, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS BEFORE YOU NOW.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THROWING OUT NUMBERS LIKE 500, 400, 600.
WE DON'T KNOW A TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD TELL YOU WHETHER IT'S 100 OR 200 OR 400 OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND PRESUMABLY AT THAT TIME, THERE'S A, AN IMPROVEMENT GOING IN AND THAT WOULD BE A COST OF THE IMPROVEMENT.
THAT WOULD BE A TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND THEN WHATEVER, THE, WHATEVER, HOWEVER, THEY CAN MINIMIZE THOSE COSTS.
BUT THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF AT THE TIME, UH, ACCORDING TO THE IMPROVEMENT, WHICH COULD DRIVE A DIFFERENT USE OF THE ROAD.
I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR AN IMPROVEMENT IN MY LANGUAGE, BUT, BUT IN THAT SCENARIO, WHO WOULD PAY FOR THE ACTUAL STUDY AND, WELL, I GUESS WE DON'T DO STUDY THAT.
SO A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE AND SUBMIT IT WITH THE ZONING APPLICATION.
UM, JOHNSON ROAD DOESN'T EVEN MEET OUR MINIMUM STANDARDS RIGHT NOW.
UM, IT'S ABOUT ONLY 22 FEET WIDE, A TRUCK AND A CAR COULDN'T PASS AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, SO THE CAR, THE ROAD IS NOT EVEN AT OUR MINIMUM STANDARDS RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A TRAFFIC STUDY TO SAY THE ROADS AND AT LEAST BE THE MINIMUM STANDARDS BEFORE YOU ADD ADDITIONAL.
DO WE KNOW IF THE RIGHT AWAY EXISTS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO, IT IS A 50 FOOT, RIGHT? OR WAS IT ADEQUATE RIGHT AWAY? OKAY.
SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ACQUIRING LAND.
IT COULD BE DONE WITH DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT.
AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BE CHEAPER FOR, UH, AN APPLICANT TO DO IT AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING
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THE PROPERTY THAN IT IS FOR THE COUNTY TO, TO BUILD IT AFTERWARDS.BUT IF IN FACT WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT GIVEN THE EXISTING KNOWN OF 1,000,050 FOR THE DRAIN LINES AND UP TO 500,000 FOR JOHNSON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, IF WE TURN AROUND AND IMPROVE IT WITH THE PROFFER THAT WHOEVER BUYS IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO IMPROVE THE ROAD, IS IT EVER GOING TO SELL IF HE, IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TODAY, WHY IS IT GOING TO MAKE SENSE IN SIX MONTHS WHEN SOMEBODY COMES THROUGH AND SAYS, I WANT TO BUY THE LAND CLIPS.
NOW I'M GOING TO PAY FOR THIS.
I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, BUT MY QUESTION IS, IF IT'S NOT GETTING GOOD TODAY, ISN'T GOING TO BE ANY GOOD.
WHEN THE TRAFFIC, WHEN THE ROADS HAVE TO BE UP 20 ACRES OF INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL LAND, A MILLION AND A HALF, RIGHT IMPROVEMENT.
ISN'T NOT A LOT OF MONEY IN THE SCHEME OF DEVELOPMENT FOR 20 ACRES OF LAND, THAT'S DEVELOPING THOSE NUMBERS.
WEREN'T SHOWING THE WHOLE PROJECT.
THEY WEREN'T, THEY WERE SHOWING A MILLION AND A HALF, AND THEN THEY WERE SHOWING WHAT THEY COULD GET FOR THE M TWO.
IT DIDN'T INCLUDE WHAT THEY COULD GET FOR THE B ONE.
SO NUMBERS CAN, CAN SHOW A LOT OF THINGS AND NUMBERS CAN BE WORKED.
IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR A DEVELOPER TO DO THIS.
WHY DOES IT MAKE SENSE? EXACTLY.
SO IT'S SOMETHING, HAS THE APPLICANT SAYING THAT THE ONE AND A HALF MILLION IS GOING TO BE PAID BY THE ACQUIRE OF THE
IS THIS, I MEAN, FROM WHAT WE GOT, IT SHOWS THAT THE PURCHASER OF THE M TWO AND OR THE B ONE WOULD HAVE THE ENTIRE COST OF THE TURN LANES, OR IS THIS BEING SPREAD OUT OVER THE ENTIRE? I'LL SAY THAT, I MEAN, THE, THE TURN LANES ARE REALLY THERE FOR THE B ONE AND M TWO, THE RPU D IS NOT ACCESSING THROUGH, UH, THROUGH JOHNSON ROAD.
UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST AS FAR AS HOW A PROJECT LIKE THIS, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS HOW IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED.
A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS A, B ONE OR M TWO USER COMES IN THE LAND OWNER WILL, I MEAN, BASICALLY LEVERAGE THE LAND TO GET THE IMPROVEMENTS DONE.
LIKE THEY SHARKS OUT THERE, BASICALLY THE LAND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED.
IT BUILT ALL THE TURN LANES OUT ON POUNCEY TRACK ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT PROJECT GOING.
SO I WOULD ENVISION, THIS WOULD PROBABLY WORK THE SAME WAY EITHER A B2 OR AN EMPTY USER WOULD COME IN WITH THEIR PROJECT, THE TURN LANES WOULD BE BUILT.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN SECONDARILY THE OTHER PIECE, EITHER THE B ONE OR THE M TWO WOULD BE MARKETED, UH, YOU KNOW, AND IT WOULD BE MORE MARKETABLE AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW? CAUSE THE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE THERE OUT ON NATIONAL ROAD.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH.
SO IT'S REALLY ISN'T UM, ONE WOULD THAT RESPECT, IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE APPROVE THIS, THE RPD GETS BUILT OUT.
ALL OF SUDDEN YOUR FAMILIES ARE BELTS FOR 10 YEARS.
WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR A B ONE OF THEM TOO.
SO THOSE AND THOSE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AREN'T TRIGGERED UNTIL IT'D BE WATER EMPTY.
SO IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE, YOU COULD, YOU COULD LOOK AT IT, BUT WE'RE SAYING THAT THE MAN 50, IS THAT GOING TO BE BORN BY THE RPU D THE B ONE AND THE MTU, OR IS IT GOING TO BE A BORN ONLY BY THE M TWO? AND THAT'D BE ONE.
WELL, YEAH, THAT'S, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT SEEMS THAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE M TWO AND THE B ONE ARE GOING TO BEAR ALL THE EXPENSE, BUT IT'S ONE WHOLE PROJECT.
SO IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR THOSE TWO, THE B ONE AND THE M TWO NOW IS GOING TO BE FEASIBLE IN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR.
I WISH IT WOULD BE BECAUSE I WANT IT TO WORK, BUT I FORGET YOU, MIKE.
I WISH IT WOULD BE BECAUSE I WANT IT TO WORK.
OR DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION, ANY EMOTION WE WANT TO, WE'VE BEEN DEBATING IT AWHILE.
YOU WANT TO PUT A MOTION OUT THERE AND JUST MR. CHAIR, BEFORE WE DO AGAIN, PROCEDURAL IRENE, AND WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN A PREVIOUS ONE.
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AND THERE MAY MAYBE A MS. MIGUEL, LOOK TO YOU, IF THIS IS, IF THE MOTION IS MADE TO APPROVE AND IT GETS APPROVED, OR IT GETS DENIED, IF YOU CAN KIND OF JUST PROCEDURALLY WALK US THROUGH THAT AGAIN.UM, SO THAT EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHATEVER MOTIONS MADE.
SO IF A MOTION TO APPROVE PASSES THE BOARD, THE CASE IS APPROVED AS UNDER THE TERMS OF THE MOTION.
AND SINCE THIS IS A PROFFERED CASE, UM, THERE HASN'T BEEN A SUGGESTION THAT THE BOARD WOULD CHANGE OR REJECT ANY OF THE PROFFERS.
UM, IF A MOTION TO APPROVE FAILS, THE CASE IS DENIED.
IF, UH, A MOTION TO DENY IS MADE AND PASSES, THE CASE IS DENIED.
THE ONLY THING THAT THAT GETS TRICKY IS IF A MOTION TO DENY FAILS, THEN WE NEEDED ANOTHER MOTION.
BUT TYPICALLY IT'S JUST ONE MOTION AND THAT'S GOING TO DECIDE THE CASE.
UM, IF DENIED THEN A SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR ZONING APPLICATION COULD NOT COME FORWARD FOR 12 MONTHS THOUGH, YOU KNOW, CHANGES TO THE ZONING APPLICATION COULD MAKE IT DIFFERENT.
IT COULD ADD PROPERTY, DROP, PROPERTY, CHANGE, OTHER SORTS OF THINGS.
AS LONG AS IT'S SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE, A DIFFERENT APPLICATION COULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD, BUT IF DENIED IT'S 12 MONTHS FOR THE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR KEISHA, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, THERE'VE BEEN SOME SUGGESTIONS MADE TONIGHT AND QUESTIONS THAT WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME TO CONSIDER.
UM, SO WE WOULD BE WILLING AND TO, TO REQUEST A ONE MONTH DEFERRAL IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.
WELL, LET'S LOOK AT OUR CALENDAR ON A MONTH FOR, FOR, UM, I CAN LOOK UP THE DATE.
I WAS LOOKING TO MS. SHERRY OR MS. HUNTER TO SUGGEST IF THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE, DEPENDING ON HOW SIGNIFICANT WOULD ONE MONTH BE SUFFICIENT IF THEY'RE PLANNING TO MAKE CHANGES.
UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, WELL, IT'S ON THE AGENDA WITH ME.
I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WOULD BE A LONG CASE NEXT TIME, IF WE, UM, ALSO THIS NEXT MONTH, THERE'S SIX CASES AND SONGBIRDS.
I WOULD HATE TO DO THAT, WHICH IS THIRD FOR A 30 DAY DEFERRAL, IF POSSIBLE.
UM, THERE IS ONE SUGGESTION THAT WE THINK WE COULD, COULD REALLY CONSIDER.
I THINK Y'ALL HAVE BEEN HERE TWICE AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD A LOT AND THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT AND A LOT OF EFFORT, UM, FOLKS I'LL, I'LL MOVE THAT.
UM, LET'S SEE IF THAT GETS A SECOND.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO DEFER? OH, YOU SHARE 30.
I MEAN, WE'VE REALLY HEAVY MONTHS.
I RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO JUST SOME VERY NARROW ISSUES AND THERE'LL BE TIME FOR THE STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT.
I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WATCHING THE DELIBERATIONS AND UNDERSTANDS OUR CONCERNS.
AND SO I'M HOPING THAT WOULD COME, COME WITH A SHARP LASER FOCUS.
UM, AND S YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S WRAP THIS UP BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY WAITED 60 DAYS IN PART TO GIVE HIM SOME TIME.
SO, I MEAN, YEAH, I DON'T LIKE HAVING A FULL SEPTEMBER, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS WILL BE A LONG CASE FOR AS LONG.
I THINK WE'VE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS BEEN CLOSED ONCE AND WE'VE HAD CONTINUED PUBLIC COMMENTS.
CERTAINLY PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS EMAIL RIGHT.
TALK TO US, BUT I THINK WE WILL, WE WILL JUST MAKE A DECISION NEXT TIME AFTER HEARING FROM THE SAME THING FOR MS. SHERRY, GIVING US A PRESENTATION ON WHAT'S CHANGED, WE DON'T NEED A FULL BOTTOM PRESENTATION, MAYBE A SUMMARY OF, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE NARRATIVE OF WHERE, WHERE WE GOT TO THIS, TO WHERE WE ARE, AND THEN ANY CHANGES WE'LL STREAMLINE.
IT WOULD BE MY, MY PREFERENCE.
SO, UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO EXTEND FOR 30 DAYS TO BRING IT TO OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING, RIGHT? ROLL CALL VOTE, MR. SHARP.
SO IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
SUPERVISOR PETERSON'S SUPERVISORS, OUR SUPERVISOR SHARP SUPERVISOR.
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HERE IN LONDON.BACK IN, I KNOW STAFF WILL TALK TO YOU IF THAT, THANK YOU ALL.
YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL START THE NEXT OR, WELL, MR. NATALIE, DO YOU WANT TO, WE'RE GOING TO DEFER, DEFER.
UM, WE DO NEED TO HAVE A MOTION.
AND SECOND, I THINK LAST TIME IT WAS JUST THE APPLICANTS AND TARA, TARA PREFERS A MOTION.
SECOND, CAN I DO A MOTION TO DEFER THE NEXT ITEM ON A, ON A VOICE VOTE? YES.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER SEVEN, JUST ON THE TUCKO CREEK, THE DISTRICT, UH, EDITION OF THE PARCEL.
[7. 4072: Ordinance amending County Code Section 14-251 (Tuckahoe Creek Service]
MR. PETERSON FOR MOTION AND SECOND TO DEFER PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER SEVEN.LET'S CROP THAT THOSE MATTERS ARE DEFERRED FOR 30 DAYS AT 10 O'CLOCK.
LET'S GET STARTED ON PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER EIGHT, THE APPLICATION BY YELLOWSTONE COMMUNITIES, UM, REZONING HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE DISTRICT.
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ALL RIGHT.OUR EIGHTH AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING OF AUGUST 3RD MEETING IS A REZONING APPLICATION IN DISTRICT THREE
[8. 4054: District 3 - RZ-2021-00006 Application by Yellowstone Communities, LLC]
BY YELLOWSTONE COMMUNITIES, LLC.UM, AGAIN, MS. SHERRY WILL START US OFF.
OUR FINAL, UH, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS EVENING IS AN APPLICATION BY YELLOWSTONE COMMUNITIES, LLC.
THE REQUESTING TO REZONE, UH, 265.6 ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL LIN LIMITED ZONING ZONE DIS UH, ZONED PROPERTY TO RESIDENTIAL ARE THREE GENERAL WITH PROFFERS.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING 170, UM, LOT SUBDIVISION.
THE, UH, LOCATION FOR THIS, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS BOUND BY SCOTT ROAD, RURAL HILL LANE, GATHWRIGHT DRIVE, AND CEDAR POINT ROAD.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS OWNED A TWO, AS I HAD MENTIONED, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE PROPERTY AS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL, LOW DENSITY, UM, AT THE JUNE, UH, THIRD, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, THEY RECORD DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION ON A 41 VOTE.
UH, 12 SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC MEETING, UH, 11 OF THE SPEAKERS, UM, EXPRESSED OPPOSITION CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION.
AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING INCLUDED A REDUCED NUMBER OF LOTS INCREASED SPACE, UM, OPEN SPACE AT A TURN LANES, UH, THAT ARE STRIPED FOR ROUTE SIX AND SCOTT ROAD INTERSECTION, THE RECONFIGURATION OF SCOTT ROAD TO DIVERT MORE TRAFFIC TO REED MARSH LANE, UH, TO LIMIT SUBDIVISION, UH, TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD, AND A COMMITMENT TO TIMING FOR INSTALLATION OF LANDSCAPING, WITH THE BUFFERS AND, UM, INCREASED COMMITMENT TO STREET TREES AND BUFFER WITS AT THE JULY SIX, UH, UH, PUBLIC MEETING, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DEFERRED CONSIDERATION OF THIS APPLICATION FOR ONE MONTH.
UH, SINCE LAST MONTH, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION.
THEY'VE REVISED THE TEXT FOR A STRONGER COMMITMENT TO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, IDENTIFIED SPECIFIC LOCATIONS TO PROVIDE SUPPLEMENTAL LANDSCAPING, TO IMPROVE BUFFERS, UH, COMMIT TO A TIMELINE FOR THE ROUTE SIX STRIPING AND FOR THE TRAILS, UH, TO FURTHER RESTRICT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC FROM SCOTT ROAD AND DELETED THE SEVERANCE PROFFER.
UM, THEY HAVE PROFFERED THIS CONCEPTUAL CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT SHOWS A MAXIMUM OF 170, UM, SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS ON THE OPEN
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SPACE, AS I MENTIONED, IS INCREASED TO 97 ACRES AND IS REFLECTED ON, ON THIS, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN.UH, THE VEHICLE ENTRANCES ARE FROM SCOTT ROAD AND REED MARSH LANE.
UH, THOSE ARE THE MAIN ENTRANCES, UM, BUFFERS.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO, UM, 75 FOOT BUFFERS ALONG GATHWRIGHT DRIVE.
UH, SCOTT ROAD ALSO HAS A COMMITMENT OF 75, UM, FOOT BUFFERS.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROVIDED FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, 50 FOOT BUFFERS TO SUPPLEMENT AREAS, UH, THAT, UH, ON THE, ON THE PERIPHERY OF THE, UM, SITE THAT NEEDED ADDITIONAL, UM, LANDSCAPING, UM, AMENITIES ARE ALSO SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT INCLUDE WALKING TRAILS, RECREATIONAL AREAS, UM, AROUND THE STORM WATER PONDS AND A 2000 FOOT, UH, SQUARE FOOT PAVILION.
THAT IS ACTUALLY A TYPO IT'S A 2000 FOOT, NOT 20,000, BUT BIG DIFFERENCE.
I WANTED TO POINT THAT ONE OUT.
UM, SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, UM, ADDITIONAL PROFFERS INCLUDE, UH, BUFFERS STREET TREES WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN ELEVATIONS WITH A COMMITMENT TO, UM, BUILDING AND FOUNDATION AND ROOFING MATERIALS, UM, SIDEWALKS, UH, COMMITMENT TO SIDEWALKS ON CERTAIN STREETS.
UM, THEY'VE COMMITTED TO A PROFFER OF, UM, 13, $13,781 PER RESIDENTIAL LOT.
UM, AND, UH, CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN RESTRICTED FOR HOURS OF OPERATION AND, UH, TRAFFIC ON, UM, BOTH GROUND MOVING TRAFFIC AND, UM, UM, HOME-BUILDING, UH, CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY RECOMMENDATION OF AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF TWO ACREAGE.
WHEN YOU TAKE THE GROSS DENSITY, UH, PROPOSED AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS 1.55 ACRES.
UM, IN 2015, DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, THERE WERE LIMITS AND RESTRAINTS ON SEWER CAPACITY THAT STRICTLY LIMITED, UM, DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE VILLAGE.
UH, SINCE THEN THE COUNTY AND DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS HAVE INCREASED SEWER CAPACITY, UM, TO SERVE THE GOOCHLAND COURTHOUSE AREA.
UM, AS FAR AS UTILITIES ARE, UH, GO, UH, PUBLIC WATER WILL SERVE THE ENTIRE SITE, UH, THE SMALLER LOTS UPFRONT, UM, BELIEVE THEY'RE 66 OF THOSE LOTS WILL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC SEWER AND THE LARGER LOTS CLOSER TO THE RIVER.
WE'LL HAVE PRIVATE SEPTIC, UH, VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE SITE.
UM, UH, YOU HAVE READ MARSH LANE, UM, A NEW SUBDIVISION STREET THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED TO V DOT STANDARDS WITH ACCESS TO A SIGNAL AT THE INTERSECTION.
UH, THE OTHER MAIN ENTRANCE WOULD BE ON SCOTT ROAD, UM, VARIOUS FROM APPROXIMATELY 16 TO 18 FEET CURRENTLY.
AND, BUT HAS BEEN RECENTLY RECONFIGURED IN THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO ENCOURAGE TRAFFIC, TO GO THROUGH A READ MARSHALL LANE.
AND THEN THERE IS A ONE LOT THAT WE'LL BE ACCESSING ON CEDAR POINT ROAD.
UM, THERE ARE SOME EXISTING PRIVATE EASEMENTS, RURAL HILL AND RIVER VALLEY LANES ARE PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENTS THAT TRANSFERS THE PROPERTY, APPROXIMATELY 13 RESIDENTS, UM, UM, USE THOSE, UM, USE, UH, THOSE PRIVATE LANES.
UH, MOST OF RURAL HILL WILL BE RECONFIGURED TO BECOME PART OF THE IMPROVED SUBDIVISION STREETS.
WHEREAS A RIVER VALLEY WILL REMAIN SUBSTANTIALLY UNCHANGED AFTER CONNECTING WITH A NEW SUBDIVISION ROADWAY.
THERE WAS A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DONE, UH, AS, UM, UH, AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, UH, CURRENTLY NOT, NOT CURRENTLY OPERATING AT ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE INCLUDE THE INTERSECTION OF RIVER ROAD WEST AND DICKINSON, UH, LIBRARY ENTRANCE.
THE WESTBOUND LEFT, UM, THROUGH LANE CURRENTLY OPERATES AT A, UM, UH, LEVEL OF SERVICE D DURING THE PM HOURS.
UM, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STUDY NOTED DECLINES IN LEVELS OF SERVICE AS A RESULT OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT RIVER ROAD WEST AND SANDY HOOK AND REED MARSHALL LANES.
THE OVERALL INNER, UM, SECTION, UH, WOULD GO FROM A B TO A C, UM, EASTBOUND LANE FROM A C TO A D WESTBOUND, UM, FROM A B TO A C AND THE LA NORTH ROUND THROUGH TO, FROM A B2C, UM, RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE STUDY, UM, BASED ON V DOT STANDARDS, PROJECTED TRAFFIC VOLUMES WARRANT, A NORTHBOUND LANE, NORTHBOUND LEFT LANE TURN, AND A SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN TAPER ON RIVER ROAD WEST.
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IS PROPOSING TO, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF RIVER RAIL WEST AND SCOTT ROAD TO ADD STRIPING, UM, NOT, UH, YET STRIPING SIMILAR TO THEY HAVE THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY, UH, TURN LANES AT ROUTE SIX AND SCOTT RED, UM, PLANNING, EVALUATION, UM, AS I'D MENTIONED, THE COMP PLAN, UM, AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH, UH, W THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION, UH, TRAFFIC, UM, APPLICATIONAL INCREASED TRAFFIC ON PUBLIC LANDS, ESPECIALLY, UM, SCOTT ROAD, UH, RURAL HILL LANE, AS I HAD MENTIONED, UH, THE RELOCATION AND THE ACCESS, UM, WELL, UM, UH, THE IMPACTS OF BUDDING PROPERTY OWNERS WILL UTILIZE AND CONTINUE TO UTILIZE ACCESS THEY'LL.A COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD ON APRIL 15TH OF THIS YEAR, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBERS, MR. SPANN HAUER, MR. LUMPKINS AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, MR. MILES MEYERS, AND APPROXIMATELY 50 PEOPLE WERE IN ATTENDANCE CONCERNS, UM, WITH ROAD AND TRAFFIC, INCLUDING, UH, THE WIDTH OF SCOTT ROAD, CURB CUTS, UH, SAFETY AND INCREASED TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD, REROUTING OF, UH, RIVERVIEW LANE, DISTRIBUTION, TRAFFIC, UM, AND TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IMPACTS TO, UM, IMPACT FAIRGROUNDS AND OTHER ROADS OTHER, UM, NON TRAFFIC INCLUDED, UH, THE DENSITY, UM, IMPACTS ON SCHOOLS, INTERNET SERVICE, OPEN SPACE AND BUFFERS, UH, PROVIDING USABLE GREENSPACE STORM, WATER MANAGEMENT, UM, SEDIMENT, PONDS, WETLANDS, CONSTRUCTION, UM, CONSTRUCTION HOURS AND TRAFFIC, UM, NOTIFICATION OF THE PERSPECTIVE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE NEW REED, MAR SUBDIVISION, AND LASTLY, UM, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER AND PROJECTED PHASING.
THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE PLANT AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
UM, SO, UH, THE PROFFERS THAT I AM ABOUT TO GO THROUGH, UM, OUR, UM, RED LINE TO SHOW THE CHANGES SINCE THE, UM, JULY 6TH BOARD MEETING, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE NOW.
UM, NUMBER ONE IS A COMMITMENT FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED IN, UH, GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UM, NUMBER TWO, UM, A GATHWRIGHT, UM, A NATURAL AND LANDSCAPE BUFFER OF A MINIMUM OF 75 FEET, UM, HAS BEEN COMMITTED, UM, S UH, B FOR SCOTT ROAD, A 75 AND 50 NATURAL AND LANDSCAPED BUFFER ALONG THE ROAD IN ACCORDANCE WITH A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, THAT HAS BEEN BUFFERED.
UH, IT'S A LANDSCAPES PLAN FOR THAT SPECIFIC, UM, UM, AREA OF SCOTT ROAD, UM, UH, C THROUGH F.
SO THIS IS A C AND D UM, HAVE A COMMITMENT TO 50 FOOT NATURAL LANDSCAPE BUFFERS IN FOUR AREAS IDENTIFIED IN THE PROFFERS AND ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
AND, UM, LASTLY G ALL THE BUFFERS, UH, DESCRIBED SHALL HAVE AN INSTALL INSTALLATION SHALL BE INSULET INSTALLED, UH, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ANY OF THE LOTS ADJOINING THESE BUFFERS, UH, PROFFER NUMBER THREE, UM, SAYS THAT THERE'LL BE NO MORE THAN 170 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UM, ON THE PROPERTY.
IT STATES THAT THE HOMES WILL APPEAR SIMILAR TO THE PROFFERED ELEVATIONS THAT NO TWO HOUSES THAT ARE SIDE-BY-SIDE SHALL BE IDENTICAL AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND COLORS.
UM, THIS PROFFER STATES THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME SHE'LL HAVE A MINIMUM OF 1800 SQUARE FEET OR AREA INCLUDING THE GARAGE.
AND, UM, IT, LASTLY STATES THAT, UM, ANY NEW TWO-STORY HOME SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM OF 2,500 SQUARE FEET, UM, UH, INCLUDING THE GARAGE, UH, NUMBER FIVE FOR AMENITIES, THE PROPERTY SHALL CONTAIN RECREATIONAL NEAR AREAS IN GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THESE INCLUDE, UM, PEDESTRIAN TRAILS.
UM, THOSE PEDESTRIAN TRAILS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, BY EACH SECTION BASED ON WHEN THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, APPROVED, UM, A 2000 SQUARE FOOT PAVILION, UH, UH, AND A DOCK, UM, ON THE STORMWATER.
AND BOTH THOSE, THE, THE PAVILION, AS WELL AS THE DOCK WILL BE CONSTRUCTED.
THERE'S COMMITMENT TO CONSTRUCT THAT AFTER THE HUNDREDTH, UM, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY HAS BEEN ISSUED, NUMBER SIX, UM, THAT SIDEWALKS WILL BE CONSTRICTED ON CONSTRUCTION ON CERTAIN STREETS AS SHOWN GENERALLY ON THE CONCEPT PLAN AND A COMMITMENT TO CONNECT, UM, THOSE, UH, SIDEWALKS TO READ MAR SUBDIVISION,
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UH, NUMBER, NUMBER SEVEN, UH, STATES THE RIVER VALLEY LANE IS TO REMAIN IN ITS CURRENT STATE AND SHALL REMAIN IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION.AND THAT A V DOT APPROVED ENTRANCE SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED AT THE INTERSECTION AND, UM, OF THE IMPROVED SCOTT ROAD, NUMBER EIGHT, UH, PROTECTIVE COVENANT SHALL BE RECORDED.
AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE ESTABLISHED ESTABLISHING A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UH, NUMBER NINE LIMITS THE CONSTRUCTION HOURS FROM 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
SO NO CONSTRUCTION ON SUNDAYS.
UM, NUMBER 10, UM, IS THE CAS PA PROFFER PER THE COUNTY ADOPTED CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL.
UM, THE APPLICANT SHALL PAY $13,781 PER RESIDENTIAL, LOT TO HELP MITIGATE THE COST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
NUMBER 11, UM, EXTERIOR FACADES, UH, COMMITMENT TO CERTAIN, UM, EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS.
AND NUMBER 12 IS A COMMITMENT TO A PLANTING OF A MINIMUM OF TWO TREES AND EACH, UH, FRONT YARD PRIOR TO THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR EACH LOT.
UH, NUMBER 13, UH, COMMITS TO, UM, UH, HAVING ENTRANCE FEATURES SIMILAR TO THOSE SHOWN IN THE EXHIBITS THAT WERE PROFFERED, UH, NUMBER 14, UH, UM, THERE IS A COMMITMENT TO A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, WITH THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT.
UH, NUMBER 15, UM, HAS, UH, THE COMMITMENT TO THE STRIPING OF THE INTERSECTION OF RIVER ROAD WEST AND SCOTT ROAD.
AND THESE WILL BE COMPLETED UPON THE ISSUANCE OF THE 50TH CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, UH, NUMBER 16, UH, COMMITS TO UNDERGROUND UTILITY UTILITY LINES, NUMBER 17, UM, COMMITS TO, UH, THE APPEARANCE AND CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, UH, FOR HOUSE FOUNDATIONS.
NUMBER 18, UH, ROOF MATERIALS WILL HAVE A MINIMUM OF 25 YEARS, UH, S UH, CERTIFIED WARRANTY.
AND NUMBER 19, THAT ALL DRIVEWAY SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH COBBLESTONE, BRICK, PRECAST, PAVERS, CONCRETE, ASPHALT, OR OTHER SIMILAR MATERIALS.
AND, UH, LASTLY, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, UM, THIS, THIS PROFFER ACTUALLY RE RESTRICTS BOTH EARTH MOVING AND HOME BUILDING TRAFFIC FROM SCOTT ROAD.
UM, THIS PROPHET PROPHET SHALL NOT APPLY TO THE VEHICLES, UM, THAT ARE DOING THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG SCOTT ROAD.
AND LASTLY, THEY DID, UM, NUMBER 21 HAS BEEN DELETED.
THAT WAS THE SEVERANCE, UH, SEVERANCE PROFFER.
THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR SHARON AT THIS POINT? NOT SEEING ANYTHING.
APPLICANT, SPEAK TO THE BOARD.
I HAVE A PRESENTATION OH, WELL, GOOD EVENING.
AGAIN, MY NAME IS CARRIE HUTCHERSON.
I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, YELLOWSTONE COMMUNITIES, LLC, IN SUPPORT OF THE REZONING APPLICATION HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
AND YOU ALL PROBABLY RECOGNIZE ME FROM LAST MONTH, I'M GONNA SPARE YOU SOME OF THE PRESENTATION, BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD SO MUCH OF THIS ALREADY, AND MS. SHERRY'S PRESENTATION COVERED THE HIGH POINTS AND EVEN MANY OF THE DETAILS OF OUR PRESENTATION.
UH, SO I'M JUST GOING TO SKIP THROUGH AND GET TO TALKING ABOUT SOME BENEFITS TO THE COUNTY AND THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, THAT WILL RESULT FROM THIS PROPOSAL.
SO SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, SOME AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, AND I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS BECAUSE OUR REVISIONS TO THE PROFFERS, UH, UH, REALLY KIND OF CLARIFIED THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WE WILL BE PROVIDING OVER A MILE OF PUBLIC TRAIL AND 1.3, TWO MILES OF PUBLIC SIDEWALK THROUGHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS THE MAIN THING THAT WAS CLARIFIED BETWEEN LAST TIME AND THIS TIME IN TERMS OF THE TRAILS AND PUBLIC PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, MAKING A CONNECTION
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BETWEEN RURAL HILL AND THE ADJACENT READ MARSH ON THROUGH REED MARSH TO RIVER ROAD.SO THAT FOLKS WHO ARE IN THE GOOCHLAND COURTHOUSE AREA CAN EXPERIENCE THESE PUBLIC, UM, PUBLIC TRAILS, PUBLIC SIDEWALKS FOR EXERCISE AND RUNNING, JOGGING, AND HIKING, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, ANOTHER THING IN TERMS OF BENEFITS TO THE COUNTY, UM, WE'VE GOT CASH PROFFERS, WE'VE GOT WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEES AND INCREASED TAX REVENUES, ALL THINGS THAT CAN BE USED BY THE COUNTY TO HELP IMPROVE THIS AREA AND OFFSET IMPACTS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE ALSO GOT A NUMBER OF INTANGIBLE BENEFITS IN ADDITION TO WHAT I MENTIONED ABOUT THE, THE MILES OF TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS, ALL THESE OTHER INTANGIBLE BENEFITS THAT WILL BE COMING ALONG WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, JUST WANT TO POINT THOSE THINGS OUT SINCE THOSE WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND WOULDN'T EXPECT THEM TO BE NECESSARILY, THIS IS OUR, OUR PRESENTATION.
NOW, UH, I ALSO WANTED TO JUST FOCUS ON THE, UH, LOOKING BACK, UH, WHAT WHAT'S BROUGHT US TO TODAY, AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE INCLUDING TONIGHT'S MEETING IS WE'VE PRESENTED THIS PROPOSAL TO THE PUBLIC AND SOLICITED PUBLIC FEEDBACK.
UH, IT'LL BE FIVE TIMES TOTAL.
WE'VE HAD TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
WE'VE HAD A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
WE HAD LAST MONTH SUPPORT SUPERVISORS MEETING.
IT'S BEEN A GREAT PROCESS IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO REALLY GET A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS.
PEOPLE BROUGHT UP ISSUES, THEY BROUGHT UP CONCERNS AND WE'VE AT EVERY STAGE RESPONDED WITH CHANGES TO MAKE THE CASE BETTER, MAKE THE CASE BETTER, MAKE THE CASE BETTER.
AND THOSE TOPICS GENERALLY FELL INTO THE, THESE FOUR CATEGORIES THAT YOU SEE ON THE PRESENTATION RIGHT HERE, DENSITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CONFORMANCE TRAFFIC, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO SCOTT ROAD AND BUFFER PRESERVATION OF VIEW SHEDS.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, WITH DENSITY, WE STARTED OUT PROPOSING 210 LOTS.
WE'VE DROPPED THAT DOWN TO ONE 70 FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONFORMANCE.
I'M GONNA FLIP OVER TO THIS SLIDE HERE REAL QUICK.
THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT MAKE WHAT WE'RE WE'RE PROPOSING AS FAR AS THE LEVEL OF DENSITY GOES ON.
THIS SITE ACTUALLY SUPPORTED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IN FURTHER INSIDE OF IT, ONE WE'RE IN THE GOOCHLAND COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
THERE'S JUST TWO PLACES IN GOOCHLAND THAT THE COMP PLAN RECOMMENDS WE'RE THE MOST GROWTH AND HIGHEST DENSITY.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE MAJOR VILLAGES.
SO COURTHOUSE VILLAGE IS ONE OF THOSE.
UM, NOW THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY DESIGNATION DOES RECOMMEND OR 0.5 UNITS PER ACRE, AND WE'RE PROPOSING 0.64 UNITS PER ACRE, A LITTLE MORE, BUT AT THE TIME THAT DESERT NATION WAS MADE IN THE COMP PLAN, PUBLIC SEWER, WASN'T AVAILABLE IN THIS AREA.
THAT'S A BIG DEAL BECAUSE THE COMP PLAN RECOGNIZES THAT IF THERE ARE PUBLIC UTILITIES PROVIDED FOR A DEVELOPMENT IN ONE OF THE VILLAGES, ONE OF THE, UH, THE MAJOR VILLAGE THEN HIGHER DENSITY SHOULD BE PREFERRED, UH, AFTER ALL, THAT'S WHAT HELPS THE HIGHER DENSITY STAY WITHIN THE VILLAGE WHERE THERE'S MORE PUBLIC SERVICES, MORE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE TO SERVE IT.
AND IT DOESN'T PUSH OUT THE DEVELOPMENT INTO THE MORE RURAL YEAH.
AND THEN FINALLY WE'RE CONSISTENT AND EVEN BETTER IN TERMS OF DENSITY WITH THE
SO THAT'S COMP PLAN AND DENSITY, AND I'LL SKIP OVER THESE SIDES AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THEM IF WE NEED TO.
NOW, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, UH, IN THE STAFF PRESENTATION, IT WAS MENTIONED, WE DID A TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND AS A RESULT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY WERE PROFFERING THE TURN LANE STRIPING AT SCOTT ROAD AND RIVER ROAD.
THAT'S GOING TO HELP A LOT WITH THE TRAFFIC CALMING AT SCOTT ROAD AND RIVER, BUT WE ALSO KNEW THAT SCOTT ROAD WAS A BIG DEAL FOR PEOPLE.
UM, AND SO INITIALLY, UH, BACK WHEN THIS PROJECT FIRST STARTED AND WE HADN'T EVEN HAD THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING, WE SAID, WHAT CAN WE DO TO IMPROVE SCOTT ROAD? HOW COULD WE, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD GET THE RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENTS NEEDED TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD, WIDEN IT, BRING IT UP TO A
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CONSISTENT STANDARD.AND THE APPLICANT WENT OUT AND MADE A REAL FORK FULL COURT PRESS TO TRY TO ACQUIRE THOSE EASEMENTS IN THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT WASN'T ABLE TO, UM, NONE OF THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS WANTED TO CONVEY THE EASEMENTS NEED.
AND BY THE WAY, THEY ONLY REALLY NEEDED TEMPORARY ACCESS EASEMENTS.
SO GIVEN THAT, THAT WAS JUST NOT A FEASIBLE OPTION ONLY BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T GET THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS TO CONVEY THE EASEMENTS NEEDED TO BUILD THAT WIDER ROAD.
THE APPLICANT WENT AND LOOKED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE, WHICH WAS TO PURCHASE THE FLEMING PARCEL.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THAT IS UP HERE.
IF I CAN GET THIS THING, SORRY, MR. PETERSON, HERE WE GO.
YOU'RE THE UNLUCKY ONE, I GUESS I'M RIGHT HANDED.
I'M JUST LIKE THE LAST PRESENTER.
SO RIGHT UP HERE, PURCHASE THIS PARCEL SO THAT THE CONNECTION COULD BE MADE THROUGH REED MARSH AS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY BECAUSE DESPITE BEST EFFORTS TO TRY TO ACQUIRE THE RIGHT AWAY EASEMENTS NEEDED TO IMPROVE SCOTT ROAD, IT COULDN'T BE DONE.
UH, IT COULDN'T BE DONE JUST BY GETTING VOLUNTARY AGREEMENTS WITH LANDOWNERS OUT THERE.
SO INSTEAD WE CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN, THE PREVIOUS LAYOUT ON THE RIGHT LEFT IS SHOWING WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND BECAUSE WE HEARD CONTINUED CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD, WE SHARPEN OUR PENCILS.
WELL, WE DIDN'T ANDREW BROWN AND OUR ENGINEER DID AND SAID, WHAT CAN WE DO TO REWORK THIS WHOLE ROAD NETWORK INTERNALLY? SO THAT SCOTT ROAD DOESN'T BECOME UNINVITING THOROUGHFARE FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE GOING IN AND OUT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO USE THAT.
SO WE TOOK ALL OF THIS ACCESSIBILITY TO SCOTT ROAD, OUT OF THE PLAN AND PROVIDED A LITTLE STUB HERE IN A CUL-DE-SAC, WHICH IS GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT ON SCOTT ROAD.
AND THE OTHER BENEFIT OF THIS LAYOUT IS ONE, WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF LOTS DOWN TO ONE 70 AND THAT US TO INCREASE THE BUFFERS AND THE OPEN SPACE, WHICH WAS, AGAIN, HERE'S THE TURN LANES.
YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT AGAIN, THE BUFFER IS AN OPEN SPACE WHERE ANOTHER BIG TOPIC THAT KEPT COMING UP.
SO WE INCREASED THOSE AREAS AND YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, UH, OPEN-SPACE WENT FROM 22% AT 37% AND THE BUFFERS WERE DOUBLED IN MOST CASES, UH, OR CLOSE TO IT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IN STOP THERE, WE GOT TO THE JULY BOARD MEETING.
WE THOUGHT WE WERE READY TO GO.
IT TURNS OUT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A SHUFFLE OF SOME PAPERWORK AND PEOPLE WEREN'T REAL SURE ABOUT SOME OF THE PROFFERS AND NEEDED SOME TECHNICAL CLEANUP.
AND SO WE TOOK THE TIME, ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS THE FEW ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT STAFF AND SOME OF THE SUPERVISORS HAD ABOUT, UH, REQUIRING SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE TO OUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN, TO IDENTIFYING AREAS ON THE PROPERTY WHERE, UH, JUST WITHOUT USING THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY THAT'S THERE AND THE EXISTING VEGETATION WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO ADD SOME EVERGREEN PLANTINGS IN ORDER TO CREATE A EFFECTIVE VIEW SHED BUFFER, UH, WENT OUT AND FOUND THAT ANDREW BROWN AND WENT OUT TO THE PROPERTY AND, AND GROUND-TRUTH THIS TO FIND THOSE AREAS TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE BUFFERS THAT ARE EFFECTIVE.
UM, AND, AND THEN THE OTHER, THE OTHER ITEMS TOO, WITH TIMING OF WHEN WE'LL PROVIDE AMENITIES, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A CLEAR REQUIREMENT, THAT THERE BE A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION BETWEEN RURAL HILL AND MAR REED MARSH, UH, TIMING OF WHEN THE TURN LANE IS TRIPPING PROVIDE IS PROVIDED.
UM, AND THEN ANOTHER REALLY BIG ONE THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING WAS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD.
AND ACTUALLY I NOTICED IN THE STAFFER, A STAFF PRESENTATION A MINUTE AGO, THE PROFFER CONDITION WAS WRONG.
IT MENTIONED THERE WAS SOME KIND OF EXCEPTION FOR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC FOR HOME BUILDING THAT COULD GO ON SCOTT ROAD.
THAT'S A BIG DEAL BECAUSE I REMEMBER LAST TIME MS. LASKA LAD IN PARTICULAR WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, HAVING ANY SORT OF HOME BUILDING TRAFFIC, CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC COMING IN ON SCOTT ROAD.
AND ONE OF THE CHANGES WE MADE AND IT'S IN THE IT'S IN THE PROPERTIES THAT WE SUBMITTED JULY 13TH,
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PROFFERS IS THERE WILL BE NO CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD AT ALL, EXCEPT WHERE WE NEED TO INSTALL UTILITIES BECAUSE THE WATER'S GOT TO COME DOWN THROUGH THE ROAD RIGHT AWAY.UM, SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I POINTED THAT OUT.
UM, ESPECIALLY GIVEN HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON SCOTT ROAD LAST TIME.
AND WE GOT RID OF THE SEVERANCE PROFFER, UH, AS REQUESTED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT BACKGROUND POINT, I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS WE'VE HAD AMPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING THIS CASE BEFORE THE PUBLIC, TO SOLICIT FEEDBACK AND GET COMMENTS.
I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THE COMMENTS WE'RE GOING TO GET.
WE'LL GET MAYBE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF IT TONIGHT, BUT WE WE'VE RECEIVED THAT MESSAGE.
AND WE'VE BEEN CONTINUING TO MAKE MORE AND MORE AND MORE IMPROVEMENTS THIS CASE.
BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE TONIGHT WE'VE, WE'VE WRAPPED IT UP IN A NICE BOW FOR Y'ALL TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THIS CASE TONIGHT.
UM, I REALLY THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL BROUGHT TO US, THOSE OF YOU ON THE BOARD AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND I'D LIKE TO RESERVE THE REST OF THE TIME FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR REBUTTAL.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU SEND BEFORE HE, OKAY.
NO QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL CERTAINLY AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL INVITE YOU BACK UP TO RESPOND.
UM, SO NO QUESTIONS, LET'S MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS, UH, SAME RULES APPLIED.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD, UH, IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED OR COMMENTS ON THIS REZONING APPLICATION.
UM, GOOD EVENING, UM, CHAIRMAN AND SUPERVISORS.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COME BACK AND SPEAK ON THE PROJECT AND THE CHANGES.
I HAVE CONTINUED CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY AND SAFETY IN THE COURTHOUSE.
IN GENERAL, I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND BEAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE.
I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT LEEWAY GIVEN, UM, THE MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED AFTER THIS RECEIVES, UM, THREE WEEKS, UH, KNOW, R THREE ZONING.
THE MODIFIED QUOTE MODIFICATIONS ARE TO ARE TO BE WITHIN CONFORMANCE OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH IS STILL A CONCEPTUAL PLAN WHO DECIDES WHAT THE CHANGES ARE OR ARE SIGNIFICANT OR DEVIATE FROM THE CONFORMANCE? WELL, THERE'S HOUSES PICTURED NOW THAT THEY MOVED AWAY FROM MY LAND, BE BACK AFTER THEY SURVEY AND OUR FIVE HOUSES, SIGNIFICANT ONE HOUSE SIGNIFICANT WILL OUR 20 INSTEAD OF THE SEVEN, UM, BECAUSE THEY SURVEYED AND FOUND THOSE HOUSES COULD BE, UH, THEY COULDN'T BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE BACK IN FRONT OF MINE.
THIS MAY NOT BE SIGNIFICANT TO, UM, THE COUNTY OR THE DEVELOPERS, BUT THIS IS SIGNIFICANT TO US AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
SECONDLY, DENSITY, AS WE'VE BEEN TOLD, THIS IS LESS DENSE THAN OTHER, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS, INCLUDING VENICE HEIGHTS, SWANS AND REED MARSH.
BUT THAT'S EASY TO SAY BECAUSE THOSE LOTS IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS ARE 0.6 0.46.
I'M SORRY, LOTS DENSITY HERE IS USED BY THE DEVELOPERS AND MATH TRICK TO HIDE SMALL LOTS.
THE RESIDENTS ARE TALKING ABOUT SHEER NUMBER OF HOUSES IN THE, UM, WITHIN THE TRAFFIC GENERATED ROADS AND THE 69 75 HOUSES THAT WILL HAVE SMALL LOTS LESS THAN A HALF ACRE.
UM, THESE WILL BE THE FRONT PART ON ABOUT 50 ACRES RESIDENTS.
DIDN'T GO SEE MOST OF THE OPEN SPACE BECAUSE A LOT OF IT'S UNBUILDABLE AND WETLANDS, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE ESTATE LOTS THAT ARE FOUR TO SIX, TWO TO FOUR ACRES IN THE BACK.
IF THIS, IF I WAS LIVING WITH THE STATE LOTS ON TWO ACRES, I'D BE MUCH MORE HAPPY WITH THIS PROPOSAL ON A PERSONAL NOTE.
I BELIEVE WORK HOURS ARE TOO LONG.
I'M GONE FROM THE HOUSE FROM SEVEN 30 TO SIX 30.
I DON'T WANT TO GET HOME AND HAVE THEM WORKING TILL EIGHT.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEM AT 7:00 AM.
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UM, I WORRY ABOUT MY FRIEND'S FAMILY AND ANIMALS ON SCOTT ROAD.I I'VE ENJOYED THIS PROPERTY AND LIVING NEXT TO IT.
I REALLY DO WANT MS. TOWERS TO REALIZE ITS INHERITANCE.
AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT MR. BROWNING AND MR. HUTCHISON HAS MADE ON THE EFFORTS, BUT THE COUNTY HAS ONE TIME TO GET THIS RIGHT.
WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS FOR THE REST OF OUR LIFE.
UM, PLEASE CONSIDER THE SIZE AND CONSEQUENCES OF THIS PROJECT.
RURAL HEALTH, AT LEAST HALF OF IT IS NOT RURAL.
I LIVE AT 30 40 DEATH, PROBABLY DRIVE A MAC MAJOR COMPLAINT ON THIS IS THE DENSITY THAT'S GOING TO BE CAUSED BY THE TRAFFIC.
I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF COUNTING THE IS BETWEEN MAIDENS, CROSSROADS, NORTHWEST UP TO THE FAIRGROUNDS ROAD AND GOODSON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND I CAN'T AT 200 FULL HOMES THAT INCLUDE THE MOBILE HOME PARK TRAILERS AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEY HAD MULTIPLE INTERESTS IS ON THE ROUTE SIX, THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED.
AND REED MARSH IN RURAL HILL IS 234 NEW HOMES.
IT'S GOING TO BE 115% INCREASE IN THE COURTHOUSE.
THAT'S 115% INCREASE WITH THESE TWO SUBDIVISIONS.
UH, THE PROBLEM, I MEAN, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC TURNED SOME WAY ON SCOTT ROAD AND ROUTE SIX.
UH, IF IT'S NOT ON SCAMP SCOTT ROAD, IT'S NOT GONNA DO US ANY GOOD AT PROBLEM.
WE'VE GOT A BIT 40 HOUSES IS ON THERE.
SO SAD, A BRAILLE SIX THAT SURF USE IT.
SCOTT ROAD AND GATHWRIGHT DRIVE TO INNER ROUTE SIX.
IF IT'S ALL THESE CARS IT'S GOING TO TRY AND BE POINTED AT THAT STOPLIGHT START USING ROUTE SIX, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SAVING THE HOUSES HERE, TRYING TO GET, GET ON THE ROUTE SIX.
AND SOME OF THEM WILL BE USING SCOTT ROAD AND GATHWRIGHT DRAFT TO THE AVOID THE CONGESTION UP THAT MOSS DRIVE WITH, I DON'T KNOW THE MANNY, HOW MUCH TRAFFIC HAS GENERATED ABOUT 234 HOMES IN THE TWO SUBDIVISIONS, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE PRETTY EXTENSIVE.
THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVEN'T DROVE EVEN NOW GETTING OUT ON ROUTE SIX FROM SCOTT ROAD, A GATHWRIGHT DRIVE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN'T STAND, BUT IT'S ANNOYING.
AND WHEN YOU'VE GOT SIX MORE, SIX AND A HALF, WELL, 6.3, 630% MORE CAUSE EXPOSED TO COMING OUT THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT HARDER.
I JUST DON'T SEE WHAT GOOD A TURN LANE COMING OFF, RATE SIX ON A SCOTT ROSE.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME WAY TO GET ON THE ROUTE SIX FROM SCOTT ROAD AND GATHWRIGHT DRIVE.
AND IT DEVELOPS A TRACK DEVELOPED THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAD TRAPPED, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY WAY TO DO THE HELP.
THAT PROBLEM AT COIN SAMPLING IS THIS IS JUST A SUBDIVISION THAT LOW DENSITY AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WOULD BE A LOT MORE PRACTICAL.
IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE TO HANDLE IT.
I MEAN IT STOPLIGHT CAN'T HANDLE.
WHAT'S COMING OUT WITH 230 SOME HOUSES AS MY LIGHT.
THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAD TO SAY ON THAT.
ALL, I HOPE YOU TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION.
WHAT'S INVOLVED WHEN YOU INCREASE IT AS, AS IT'S GOING TO BE INCREASED.
I LIVE AT 32 45 RIVER ROAD WEST.
I'VE COME TO SEVERAL MEETINGS AND I'M SORT OF GETTING THE IDEA OF HOW THINGS ARE WORKING HERE.
UM, SEVERAL TIMES IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE ALL HELL DOES NOT, UM, RELATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS ABOUT TWO ACRES PER HOUSE.
THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 133 DWELLINGS, NOT 170.
IN FACT, I'M PRO DEVELOPMENT, BUT I NOT FOR OVERDEVELOPMENT.
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IS THE VISION OF THE VILLAGE OF GOOCHLAND? IS IT TO BECOME AN URBAN CENTER OR YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR RURAL ATMOSPHERE? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S COME DOWN TO BECAUSE THE NAME MIGHT BE RURAL HILL, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE RURAL AT ALL.MA'AM AND YOUR LAST NAME IS CASTILLO C.
I'M THE 3009 GATHWRIGHT DRIVE.
Y'ALL'S COMMITMENT TO PRESERVING THE RURAL CHARACTER OF OUR COUNTY.
YOU SHOWN THIS IN YOUR CONVERSATIONS TONIGHT, EVEN WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING AS SMALL AS A DIGITAL SIGN.
I CERTAINLY HOPE YOU'LL BRING THAT SAME ETHOS AND TENACITY TO THIS APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I GREW UP IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY OUT IN MANNEQUIN SABOT AND MY FIANCE AND I ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING ON GATHWRIGHT DRIVE.
I'D LIKE TO VOICE MY OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT IN ITS CURRENT FORM.
THE DEVELOPMENT BEING PROPOSED IS TOO DENSE AND DOES NOT MATCH THE MORE RURAL NATURE OF THE COURTHOUSE AREA.
ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, PRIOR TO PURCHASING OUR LAW, I CHECKED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I SAW THAT THE ADJACENT LAND WAS SLATED FOR FUTURE LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS LAND WILL BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT.
HOWEVER, THE DEVELOPMENT BEING PROPOSED AT THIS TIME DOES NOT MATCH THE DESCRIPTION GIVEN BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT IS A HIGHER DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A FEW LARGE LOTS TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF LOW DENSITY.
WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, I PUT MY TRUST IN THE COUNTY AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED AGAINST THIS DUE TO IT BEING TOO DENSE, NOT MATCHING THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND NOT STAYING TRUE TO WHAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE'VE HEARD THE DEVELOPER TRY TO JUSTIFY WHY THE DENSITY CAN BE INCREASED BECAUSE OF THE AVAILABILITY OF SEWER AND WATER.
HOWEVER, JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING CAN BE DONE DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE DONE.
ONE OF THE LEADERS OF THE COMMISSION SAID HE WAS THERE WHEN THE, WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS CREATED.
AND WHEN THEY DENIED THIS DEVELOPMENT'S APPLICATION FOR REZONING, HE EXPLICITLY STATED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE AND TYPE WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR THIS PART OF THE COUNTY, THE COUNTIES, THE COUNTIES OBJECTIVE PRESENTATION LAST MONTH, UM, OF THE REZONING APPLICATION SHOWS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TYPE, IF A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TYPE MATCHED THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, IT HAD A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED HOUSES, NOT THE 170 THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.
THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BRING CROWDING TO OUR ROADS, OUR SCHOOLS, AND WHAT LIMITED INFRASTRUCTURE THIS PART OF THE COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS SUCH AS GAS STATIONS, GROCERY STORES, AND OTHER, OTHER STORES LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THE THINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT, THE ROADS IT'S LIKE LOOK AT FAIRGROUNDS ROAD AND MAIDEN'S INTERSECTION LOOK AT THE, THE OFF RAMP FROM FAIRGROUNDS ON A TWO 50, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE GOING TO BE WORKING IN GREENLAND COUNTY.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMMUTING MOST LIKELY.
UM, WE'LL GET THE, THE ON RAMP TO 64.
OILVILLE, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE OFF-RAMP FROM 64, GETTING TO THE OIL VILLE EXIT TO GET ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, TO GET TO THIS COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, MOST OF OUR OUT SIX IS TOO NARROW FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONCE YOU GET TOWARDS MANNEQUIN, WHERE IT BECOMES A FOUR LANE, THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE AND DENSITY, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ENSURE WE GROW RESPONSIBLY.
THIS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE GROWTH.
THIS IS GREED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO BE APPROVED IN ITS CURRENT FORM.
IT'D BE A VIOLATION OF THE TRUST OF THE CITIZENS OF OUR COUNTY, PUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PAYMENT PLAN, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AND IN YOU.
I LIVE AT 3,200 SCOTT ROAD, BEEN THERE ABOUT 32 YEARS.
UM, I'M HERE TO THE T MY PRIMARY CONCERNS ARE THREE THINGS, SAFETY, UH, MAINTAINING OUR RURAL, UM, CHARACTER OF OUR LAND IN OUR AREA, AS WELL AS BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, THE, UH, SAFETY I LIVE ON SCOTT ROAD.
I'VE HAD AN ACCIDENT ON SCOTT ROAD.
UH, IT'S A LIMITED, LIMITED VISION, VERY NARROW ROAD.
YOU CANNOT LET ME PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE.
YOU CAN'T PASS TWO CARS AT THE SAME TIME.
IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A MAILBOX, YOU STOP HAS ANYONE DRIVEN DOWN SCOTT ROAD.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND THAT'S IN THE LIGHT AND AT NIGHT IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT.
SO I KNOW WE, WE SAY WE FIXED SCOTT ROAD BY MAKING A LITTLE HARDER TO GO THAT WAY, BUT I KNOW HUMAN NATURE.
IF THE SHORTEST WAY TO GO DOWN RIVER ROAD TO GO
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INTO TOWN IS TO GO THROUGH SCOTT ROAD.THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM DRIVING THERE.
MAKE THEM MAKE ANOTHER TURN OR TWO THAT DOESN'T FIX IT.
AND WE SAID, WE TRIED TO FIX IT.
WE RECOGNIZE THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE.
RIGHT? WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO FIX IT, BUT WE COULDN'T FIND AN ANSWER.
SO THE ANSWER IS WE'LL JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE HARDER TO GET ON THERE.
I'M SORRY THAT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO MAKE ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT MY GRANDCHILDREN OUT THERE ABOUT ME BACKING ON THE ROAD.
IF SAFETY OF A SIGN IS AN ISSUE, THEN HAVING ANOTHER 85 CARD, 85 HOUSES WORTH OF CARS.
IF YOU TAKE HALF OF THEM, EVEN LESS THAN THAT, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN A HUNDRED.
SO CARS GOING BY ON A ROAD THAT NORMALLY I CAN WALK OUTSIDE AND NOT EVEN SEE A CAR.
SO THAT, THAT CHANGES THE SAFETY AND ALSO CHANGED THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA WHERE I LIVE AS FAR AS, UM, THE RURAL CHARACTER THAT GOES, IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING, YEAH, IT'S GREAT.
THEY AVERAGE IT OUT A NUMBER, BUT THAT NUMBER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE NEIGHBOR, I LIVE IN VENICE HEIGHTS, VENICE HEIGHTS, WE AVERAGE WELL OVER AN ACRE, BUT THE HOUSES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO US, THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE ALL IN LESS THAN A HALF ACRE LOT.
SO, I MEAN, YEAH, YOU CAN SAY, I THINK THERE'S REALLY TWO DEVELOPMENTS.
THERE'S THE ONE WITH SET WAS SEPTIC.
AND SO, I MEAN, SEWER, AND THEN THERE'S THE ONE WITH SEPTIC AND THEY'RE LIKE TWO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
EVEN THE PEOPLE THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PEOPLE LIVING ON THESE SMALL LOTS THAT ARE PROBABLY A SUITABLE FOR, IN TOWN, ON HOCKET ROAD, WHERE THEY'RE ADJACENT TO BUILDING TWO WHERE BUSINESSES NEED PEOPLE WORKING, BUT ALL OF THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING IN TOWN.
AND SO THAT, THAT CREATES THAT KIND OF HAVING ALL OUR NEIGHBORS BE HALF-ACRE LOTS WHEN ALL OF US DON'T LIVE ON AN ACRE HALF ACRE LOTS.
SO IT MAKES IT INCONSISTENT IT'S SO, YEAH, IT'S KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL AVERAGE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO SEPARATE AREAS THEY'RE NOT CONSISTENT AT ALL.
AND THE LAST THING IS, UM, I JUST, UM, I THINK THEY'VE MADE A REALLY GOOD EFFORT NOW.
THEY REALLY HAVE, WHEN THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO HEAR US AND THEY HAVE LISTENED TO US, BUT I THINK THEY FELT FALLING A LITTLE SHORT, PARTICULARLY WITH SCOTT ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW THERE IS AN ANSWER, BUT THAT ROAD IS, IS OVER 60 YEARS OLD.
IT'S NEVER REALLY BEEN EVER DONE AGAIN OVER AGAIN.
YOU TALKED ABOUT OTHER ROADS BEING WORN OUT BY TRUCKS, JUST NORMAL TRAFFIC, SWEARING THAT ROAD OUT.
AND EVEN WHEN THEY GO TO CLEAR ALL THOSE TREES AND EVERYTHING, IT'S GOING TO BE GOING DOWN SCOTT ROAD AND THAT ROAD WILL BE TORE UP.
LIKE IT WAS LAST TIME THEY CUT THESE TREES DOWN.
SO LIKE TO SEE WHEN WE BUILD NEIGHBORHOODS THAT GO THROUGH OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, WE, WE, WE TRY TO TRY TO MAKE IT WORK A LITTLE BETTER THAN THAT.
AND THE ONLY WAY I KNOW TO DO THAT IS REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOUSES AND THAT.
I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
OTHER THAN TO PUT A COUPLE POINTS IN MAYBE CONTEXT, I'VE BEEN AT ALL THE MEETINGS, ALL OF THE MEETINGS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE INFORMAL MEETING AT THE POOL BACK IN DECEMBER.
THE ONE THING THAT YOU'LL NOTE DENSITY FROM THE VERY FIRST MEETING WAS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT ALL THE RESIDENTS HAD WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND AT THE DECEMBER MEETING, THE DENSITY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND DISCUSSING WITH THE DEVELOPER WAS 120 HOUSES.
SOMEHOW BETWEEN DECEMBER AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, IT MORPHED TO 210.
NOW YOU CAN SAY WE'VE REDUCED IT AND THEY HAVE, AND I'LL GIVE THEM PROPS.
THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE AND WORK WITH PEOPLE AND MAKE CORRECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE PROBLEM THAT NOBODY HAS REALLY BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS IS THE DENSITY.
IT REALLY IS TWO SUBDIVISIONS OF DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT SCALE AND SCOPE PACKAGED TOGETHER SO THAT YOU, WHEN YOU DO THE MATH, YOU COME UP WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 0.6, FOUR NUMBER THAT'S BOGUS.
IT CAN BE IT'S THERE, IT'S MATHEMATICALLY THERE, BUT IT'S NOT HONEST.
IT'S NOT INTELLECTUALLY CONSISTENT.
AND THE SAFETY ISSUES AND THE DENSITY ISSUES GO HAND-IN-HAND, YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE THE TRAFFIC.
I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT CAN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO THE WAY THEY WANT TO GO.
AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
WHETHER THEY GO OUT AND READ MARSH AT THE LIGHT, OR THEY GO OUT THE BACK WAY TO SCOTT ROAD.
AND EVEN IF THEY GO READ MARSH AND I HAVE TO LIGHT AND THEY TURN RIGHT ONTO ROUTE SIX, THOSE OF US WHO LIVE ON SCOTT ROAD AND HAVE TO GO ASCOT ROAD AND DON'T WANT TO CUT THROUGH ALL OF THIS PROJECT TO MAKE A LEFT.
GOD FORBID, WE'LL HAVE ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE STOPLIGHT AT REED
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MARSH.IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THIS THING WITH A REALLY CRITICAL EYE ABOUT HOW IT FITS IN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE THREE PROJECTS, IF THIS ONE IS APPROVED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, SWANS IN REED MARSH AND THIS PROJECT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TOTAL OF OVER 300 HOUSES.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SMALL HOUSES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSES A HALF, A MILLION BUCKS AND UP THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO CARS.
AND IN MANY CASES, THREE, CALCULATE THE TRIPS, CALCULATE IT.
AND THEN LOOK AT THE HIGHWAY, LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE COURTHOUSE, YOU STILL GOT FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
YOU STILL GOT RIGHT OF SIX TO TWO LANE HIGHWAY GOING EACH WAY.
THE GROWTH SHOULD BE THERE IN THE VILLAGES WHEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE TO SUPPORT IT, WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT.
AND JUST BECAUSE THERE'S WARRANTS OR DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DO THE ROADS ARE THE ROADS ARE THE ROADS AND YOU AND I BOTH KNOW, CAUSE I'VE LIVED IN THIS COUNTY FOR 30 YEARS.
V.IS PAINFULLY SLOW ABOUT DOING ANYTHING WITH ROADS.
I LIVE IN 30 TO 45 REBUILT ROW WEST IN HALF A CUP OF QUESTION.
ONE WILL BE ABOUT REGARDING THE SEPTIC TANK SYSTEM FOR ALL THOSE HOUSES.
UH, THEY SAY THAT IS, UH, UM, WILL BE AT THE SIGN IT BY THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY THE CYCLE OF, UH, OF THE LOT, BECAUSE FOR SEPTIC TANKS WILL BE TWO ACRES MINIMUM.
SO I WANT TO BE, UH, HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON HAND THEY'LL THEY'RE SEEING THESE, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE ROLES ARE GOING TO BE MAINTAINING BY
AND IS THAT IS THE CASE, UH, THAT CALLED THE SAC DOESN'T SERVE ANY LOTS AND BE THE ONE MAINTAIN THE ROAD FROM THE SCOTT ROW.
AND LASTLY, THERE WAS A SPIEL OF THE SEWER.
AND I WONDERING IF THAT SOMETHING TO DO WITH REMARK? NO.
DON'T SUPPORT THESE OVER LOAD, BUT I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE SAFETY TANKS AND THE SIZE OF THE LOADS.
WELL, THIS, THIS ISN'T THE Q AND I PART, BUT I THINK THE APPLICANT ROLE WILL SPEAK TO HIM.
OH, IF I FORGET, I'LL ASK GOOD EVENING.
I LIVE AT 30, 52 RURAL HILL LANE.
UM, MY FAMILY OWNS THE FARM IN QUESTION.
I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT, UM, MY FAMILY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND DIFFERENT BOARD MEMBERS AND, UH, UH, AND DIFFERENT STAFF SINCE THE 1990S.
UH, WE HAD OUR FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING AND, UH, 2008, UH, A DIFFERENT BUILDER DEVELOPER LOOKED AT DOING A PROJECT AND HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING.
I THINK IN 2019, UH, AT ALL OF THESE MEETINGS, WE'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE WANTED.
WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, BUT WE'VE COME A LONG WAY.
AND I THINK WE'VE PROVEN, PROPOSED PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST NEIGHBORHOODS THAT'S TO BE IN GOOCHLAND.
AND IT'S BEING PUT INTO GOOCHLAND COURTHOUSE.
UH, REED MARSH WAS REQUIRED TO OVERSIZE THE SEPTIC THERE SEWER SYSTEM AND THE PUMP STATION, AND TWO STUBBORN ROADS IN THE DIRECTION OF MY LAND FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH.
AND WE CONTACTED THOSE DEVELOPERS AND TOOK WHAT THE COUNTY MADE THEM DO AND HAVE TIED INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY TO MAKE IT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, MR. TOWERS.
I'M FROM RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT PROPOSED TONIGHT.
A LOT OF FOLKS ARE LOOKING TO MOVE TO THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND WHAT A BETTER PLACE THAN GOODWIN COURTHOUSE.
NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE AN OLYMPIC SPORT OUT OF MOWING GRASS.
SO I LIKED THE FACT THAT THEY INCORPORATED SMALLER LOTS
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ALONG WITH THE LARGER ESTATE PROPERTIES.THIS GIVES THE DEVELOPMENT OF WATER VARIETY.
UM, ALSO I THINK THAT THE ABUNDANCE OF OPEN SPACE AND WALKING TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC IS A NICE TOUCH.
I LIVE AT 3,200 SCOTT ROAD AND I JUST WANT TO VOICE MY OPPOSITION TO THE PLAN IS PROPOSED.
I THINK, UM, IT IS TOO TOO MUCH DENSITY AND I WOULD PREFER THAT WE STICK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE LOW DENSITY HOUSING.
UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GATHWRIGHT DRIVE LANE.
I THINK IT 50, 75 FOOT IS NOT ENOUGH OF OR BUFFER BECAUSE THOSE TREES ARE ALL OVER.
YOU'LL STILL SEE THE HOUSES AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HALF ACRE HOUSES.
BE AT LEAST A HUNDRED, 150 FOOT BUFFER.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A FAMILY MOVE OUT ALREADY AT GATHWRIGHT BECAUSE THEY THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, THEY DON'T WANT TO LIVE AROUND THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HOUSE STUFF.
ANYBODY ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND UM, IF THE APPLICANT, UH, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MIND COMING BACK UP.
YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOME THINGS YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT I KNOW I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
MAYBE SOME BOARD MEMBERS HAVE, HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, IT'S HOWEVER YOU WANT TO HAVE.
DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO ANYTHING OR DO YOU WANT TO FEEL A FEW QUESTIONS FIRST? ARE YOU OKAY WITH, UH, I'D PREFER TO FEEL QUESTIONS FIRST, JUST SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND THEN OKAY.
I'LL, I'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE OTHER THINGS IN JUST A FEW MINUTES.
IF I DON'T SEE ANYBODY TURN INTO GREEN LIGHT, I WANT TO GO FIRST.
UM, UM, AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION ALSO FOR MS. HUNTER OR STAFF, BUT MS. HASKINS, UM, UH, FIRST SPEAKER TONIGHT TALKED ABOUT A SUBSTANCE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE USED THE WORD SUBSTANTIAL, BUT I BELIEVE YOUR, YOUR PROFFERS ARE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE.
THAT'S BEEN AN AMENDMENT TO SUBS THE WORD SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UM, MS. HUNTER, WHO, WHO DOES TO MS. HASKINS QUESTION, WHO DOES, UH, WHO IS THE DETERMINING PERSON OR ENTITY AS TO WHETHER A MODIFICATION IS IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE OR NOT TWO LEVELS OF REVIEW WITH THAT? THEY WILL HAVE TO DO A, UM, TENTATIVE PLAN THAT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THAT IS A PUBLIC MEETING, UM, WHERE WE REVIEW CONSISTENCY WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
AND THEN AS THE SITE PLANS ARE BROUGHT IN, UM, STAFF WILL VERIFY THAT IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE SUBS, WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UM, AND WE DO, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IT'S AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO CONCEPTUAL PLAN PLANNING.
A LOT LINE MAY SHIFT, BUT ROADS CAN'T SHIFT THE NUMBER OF HOUSES CAN'T SHIFT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IF IT, IF, IF STAFF DETERMINES THAT IT'S NOT IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE, WHAT I MEAN, WHAT HAPPENS ON THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT BE APPROVED.
UM, MS. JENKINS HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UH, SHE WAS WORRIED ABOUT SIZE OF THE LOTS WHERE THEY'RE SEPTIC.
UM, THE LOTS ARE WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE SEPTIC.
THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
W WHAT ARE THOSE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF SIZE? IT, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HAS A ONE ACRE MINIMUM FOR SEPTIC.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SEPTIC, YOU GOT TO HAVE AT LEAST AN ACRE AND WE'VE, WE'VE GOT SOILS DATA ON THIS PROPERTY AND FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IT IT'LL DRAIN WELL ENOUGH FOR SEPTIC, WHERE WE HAVE SEPTIC PLANNED.
BUT IF FOR SOME REASON YOU CAN'T GET IT TO DRAIN AND YOU CAN'T CAN'T THAT, THEN WE JUST LOSE THAT LOT.
I MEAN, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT, IT'S, IT'S
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A VDH DETERMINATION.WE HAVE TO MEET THOSE TWO SINCE YOUR SLOT, SINCE YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION TO STOP IT.
DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THE, TO THE DIAGRAM? LET'S SEE MOLLY'S DOING THAT.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE OFFICER REQUIRES THAT A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF ONE ACRE ON THERE'S ONLY ONE.
THESE ARE THE LOTS WITH S WITH PUBLIC SEWER AND EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE SEPTIC.
WE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, A DIAGRAM SHOWING EVERYTHING THAT WE SEPTIC BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE REST OF THE RIVER.
SO, UH, SINCE I'VE, YOU KNOW WHAT, PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR YEARS NOW, I OFTEN HEAR THIS WORD.
AND I THINK SOMEBODY SAID IT TONIGHT THAT THE MATH IS JUST KIND OF A LITTLE TRICKERY, THAT THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS MEANINGLESS WHEN YOU HAVE OPEN SPACE, BUT YOU, THE PLAN DOES CONTEMPLATE.
SO THE ENGINEERS CAN LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, OKAY, AS IT'S DESIGNED RIGHT NOW, THE LOT, THE SMALLEST LOTS ARE X OR THE AVERAGE LOTS IN THIS SECTION ARE X.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS? AND, AND THE AVERAGE IS ONE ACRE.
AND THAT'S, IF YOU REMOVE ROADS, OPEN SPACE ROLLS ONE ACRE.
AND THAT SECTION THERE WOULD BE ABOUT A HALF THE LOTS, OR, YOU KNOW, A HALF ACRE LOT, ESSENTIALLY.
SO I KNOW THAT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE.
I THINK FOLKS LOOKING AT THIS, THEY WOULD LIKE THAT THE LOT LINES OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE AS YOU GO FORWARD.
SO, BUT HOW, GIVE US, GIVE US A SENSE OF HOW CONFIDENT YOU ARE THAT THESE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU START MOVING A LOT LINES A LOT, THEN I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO THE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE PROBLEM.
SO THE REASON THAT THESE ARE THE SMALLER LOTS IS THAT W IS WHERE THE PUBLIC UTILITIES WILL SERVE.
THAT IS WHERE THE GRAVITY SEWER WON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL GRAVITY FEED BACK INTO THE PUMP STATION AND READ MARSH.
SO THAT WAS THE LOGICAL PLACE FOR THE SEWER THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, OVERSIZED BY 69, LOTS WITH REED MARSH TO SERVE ADDITIONAL AREAS THAT DRAIN THERE.
AND SO, I MEAN, THIS IS ALSO, I THINK PART OF WHAT Y'ALL HAVE SAID BEFORE, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS IT'S A TRANSITION FROM THE READ MARSHERRIE SO THESE LOT SIZES, ARE THEY COMPARABLE TO THE READ MARSHALL? YES.
THEY WOULD BE THE SAME, THE SAME AS REED MARSHALL.
AND, AND THEN WHEN YOU GO BACK, UM, WHERE IT'S SEWER THAN YOU HAVE BY LAW, THEY HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF AN ACRE.
WHAT IF YOU'VE DONE THE CALCULATIONS, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IN YOUR DRAWINGS FOR THE, FOR THE, SO WE TOOK THE WHOLE THING AND TOOK OUT THE ROADS IN THE OPEN SPACE ALTOGETHER AND AVERAGE AN ACRE.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD MEAN THE MUST AVERAGE, QUITE A BIT MORE THAN AN ACRE TO BALANCE IT BACK OUT INTO AN ACRE.
DOES THAT MAKES SENSE? AND SO ALSO I'LL POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, IS THE TRANSITION OUT OF REED MARSH? UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THE CURB AND GUTTER STREETS AND THE SIDEWALKS AND ALL THOSE THINGS IS THE TRANSITION BACK INTO, YOU KNOW, THE LARGER STATE, LOTS IN THE BACK WHERE WE WOULD THEN SWITCH TO A, UH, DITCH SECTION ROAD AND, YOU KNOW, THE LOTS HAVE LARGER FRONTAGES IN THE BIGGER LOTS.
SO, SO YOUR GATHRIGHT, YOU'RE UP TO 75 FEET ON THE GATHRIGHT BUFFER.
I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT YOU HAVE ADDED TO THAT FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, RIGHT.
YOU'VE INCREASED THE BUFFERS AND THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME ELEVATION, MR. HUTCHINSON POINTED OUT, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF ELEVATION CHANGE IN THERE AS WELL.
SO GATHWRIGHT ROAD IS QUITE A BIT LOWER THAN THE TOWER'S PROPERTY IN THERE.
SO THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL BANK ALONG, ALONG GATHWRIGHT ROAD IN THERE.
THE HOUSES WILL BE BACK UP THE HILL FROM THERE.
SO IF YOU'RE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS, THE BUTTON, RIGHT, SORRY.
SO THIS HOUSE, YOU KNOW, IS QUITE A BIT LOWER THAN WHERE THESE WILL BE, SO THAT THE TREES AND THE BUFFER IS ON THAT SLOPE AND THE BANK GOING BACK INTO RURAL WELL, AND, AND JUST TO THE GENTLEMAN'S POINT ABOUT IT, THE TYPE OF TREES THAT ARE EXISTING THERE BEING DECIDUOUS TREES, OR WHATEVER, THAT TOPOGRAPHY, ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE WITH THE SEASONS.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING UP HILL, UH, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT NO MATTER WHETHER THEY'RE LEAVES AROUND TREES OR NOT.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT.
I MEAN, THAT, AND I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, BUT MR. BROWNIE WENT AROUND ON SITE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE VARIOUS POINTS ALONG THESE BUFFERS WERE EITHER EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY OR EXISTING VEGETATION OR COMBINED.
UM, WOULDN'T BE SUFFICIENT TO PROVIDE A GOOD SCREENING BUFFER.
AND THEN THAT'S WHERE WE ADDED THE EVERGREEN PLANTINGS.
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AND IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE ON, ON THIS PLAN, BUT WE COULD POINT THOSE OUT IF PEOPLE ARE CURIOUS, RIGHT? SO ALONG THE TOWER'S PROPERTY AND MRS. JENKINS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THE FIELD AS A LARGE OAKS ON HER PROPERTY OR, OR DECIDUOUS TREES IN THAT AREA.AND THEY KIND OF OVERHANG THE FIELD QUITE A BIT, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A ROAD THAT RUNS RIGHT ALONG THIS PROPERTY LINE.
SO ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, IT IS OPEN.
SO WE PROPOSE THE EVERGREEN SCREEN ALL ALONG OUR PROPERTY AND THIS AREA, UM, ALSO OVER IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, THERE'S, UH, THIS WAS ALL WOODED, BUT THERE'S A FIELD THAT JOINS THIS LOT OFF OF CEDAR POINTS.
WE ADDED EVERGREENS HERE, UH, AND MR. DONOVAN HAS SOME AREAS IN THIS AREA AND THIS AREA HERE AND HERE, WHERE WE ADDED SOME EVERGREENS WHERE, WHERE THE MR. TOWERS FIELDS KINDA MEET HIS FIELD, UH, IT'S WOODED IN THE OTHER AREAS.
AND THEN ALSO BY MS. LAWTON'S PROPERTY, RIGHT IN HERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SHARED FIELD THAT WE ADDED THE EVERGREEN CENTER AND ALL THE OTHER AREAS THAT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL WOODS OR SCREEN OR BUFFER, YOU KNOW, NATURAL BUFFER THERE TODAY.
SO AROUND MR. DONOVAN'S PROPERTY, UM, THAT'S ALL GONNA BE IN THE HOA.
AND I BELIEVE THAT I READ THAT CORRECTLY IN YOUR PROFFERS.
THAT'S THE, NO, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY ALWAYS THAT WAY, BUT THAT CAME UP UNTIL LAST, LAST MONTH.
AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS GETTING INTO PEOPLE, VIOLATING RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY IF THE PROPERTY IS IN THE HOA AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE VIOLATING A PROFFER.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED SO THAT THE, YOU CAN'T HAVE A PRIVATE LANDOWNER WHO JUST DECIDES TO CUT DOWN HIS BUFFER.
SO, UM, JUST, I WANTED TO GET US STARTED, BUT, UM, IF BOARD MEMBERS HAVE, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL, UH, I KNOW THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO ADDRESS SOME THINGS THERE'S WHO ELSE? SOMEBODY, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, UM, AT THIS POINT OF THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE LET THEM GO AHEAD AND RESPOND.
SO WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND TAKE A FEW MINUTES? WELL, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THE QUESTIONS FIRST, BECAUSE THAT HELPS TAKE A FEW THINGS OFF MY LIST HERE.
UH, YOU KNOW, ONE IS A COMMON THEME AMONG THE COMMENTS.
UH, WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT DENSITY, UH, BUT AS I MENTIONED TO Y'ALL LAST TIME I WAS HERE IN JULY, I THINK WE WOULD HEAR ABOUT DENSITY FOREVER MORE.
WE COULD KEEP REDUCING IT DOWN AND DOWN AND DOWN.
IT'S AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION, IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT? AND GIVEN THAT THE COUNTY THROUGH WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS ACCEPTED AT REED MARSH AND REQUIRED AS FAR AS THE OVER-SIZING OF THAT SEWER.
UM, AND ALSO THE STUBBING OF THE ROADS WITH THE COUNTY REALLY SET FORWARD IN MOTION WAS AN EVENTUAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF LOTS WITH PUBLIC SEWER IN THE VERY AREA WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THEM.
UH, OTHERWISE ALL OF THAT EXTRA CAPACITY WOULD HAVE GONE UNDER UTILIZED, AND THAT'S JUST THE WASTE OF MONEY.
AND, AND I KNOW Y'ALL, AREN'T INTO WASTE OF MONEY.
SO THIS HAS REALLY BEEN ANTICIPATED IN ANY WAY, UH, IN TERMS OF THAT ADDITIONAL DENSITY.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY IS COMING FROM, AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, THAT'S WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.
UM, AND LET'S NOT ALSO FORGET THAT WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT CONNECTING TO READ MARSH AND THE, ALL THE EXTRA DENSITY IN THAT SORT OF THING.
HAD WE BEEN ABLE TO IMPROVE SCOTT ROAD, UH, AND GET THE NECESSARY EASEMENTS RIGHT AWAY? UM, MR. HASKINS POINTED OUT THAT AT SOME POINT VERY EARLY ON, THERE WAS A TALK OF 120 LOTS.
AND THAT WAS WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THIS WOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVED PRIMARILY BY SCOTT ROAD AND THAT WE WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS CONNECTION.
UH, ONCE SCOTT ROAD BECAME IMPOSSIBLE TO IMPROVE, WE HAD TO LOOK FOR ANOTHER OPTION AND THIS ONE WAS AVAILABLE, UM, EITHER WAY WOULD HAVE BEEN US, OR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEBODY LATER CONNECTING INTO REED MARSH PROVIDING, UH, SOME, SOME SEWARD, LOTS THAT THE CAPACITY'S THERE.
AND AGAIN, IF IT'S THERE, WHY NOT USE IT? UM, THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP CONTINUALLY IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACTS, UH, BUT THE CONCERNS WERE ALL CONSIDERED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, THIS TRAFFIC STUDY LOOKED AT IMPACTS
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PROJECTED WITH BOTH READ MARSH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THEAND THAT'S WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY WERE BASED ON IS STUDYING ALL OF THAT.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY BY DOING THE TURN LANES AT, AT, UH, SCOTT ROAD AND RIVER ROAD.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT.
UH, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS BEING REDUCED BY ONE LETTER GRADE, BUT IT STILL IS AT A C, WHICH IS ACCORDING TO V DOT AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, WE'VE GOT A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SHOWING THAT IF WE IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WE CAN ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF, FOR SOME REASON THAT TURNS OUT TO NOT BE THE CASE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU DON'T TRUST THE TRAFFIC STUDY IF THAT TURNS OUT NOT TO BE THE CASE.
WELL, YOU'VE GOT CASH PROFFERS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS CASH PROFFERS FROM REED MORRIS THAT'S I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND 20,000, PER LOT AT REED MARSH AND 13,000 PER LOT HERE.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT THE COUNTY COULD USE.
I KNOW NOT ALL OF IT CAN GO TO ROADS.
YOU GOT TO SPEND IT ON OTHER THINGS, BUT YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT COULD BE USED.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF THE COUNTY DECIDES THAT IT REALLY IS THAT IMPORTANT TO IMPROVE SCOTT ROAD, THE COUNTY'S IN THE POSITION TO GO OUT AND ACQUIRE THAT RIGHT AWAY AND USE THE CASH PROPER PAYMENTS TO PAY.
UM, SO BY WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH THIS CASE TODAY, WE'RE PUTTING THE COUNTY IN THE POSITION WHERE, UH, ONE WHERE WE'RE ADDRESSING THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND TWO WE'RE GIVING YOU THE MEANS TO BE ABLE TO GO AND DO THE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO.
AND OF COURSE WE WOULD LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN.
IT WOULD BE SOMETHING BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYBODY, BUT AGAIN, WE TRIED AND TRIED AND TRY TO ACQUIRE THAT RIGHT AWAY, TRY TO IMPROVE SCOTT ROAD.
AND IT CAN'T BE DONE BY A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.
THAT'S WHERE THE COUNTY COULD COME IN AND, AND HELP OUT.
UM, YOU, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE ALSO LEARNED FROM HEARING THE COMMENTS TONIGHT THAT WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE THERE ARE NO NEW ISSUES.
SO I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THEM ALL SUFFICIENTLY.
I THINK WE HAVE, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE'VE REALLY CLEANED UP THIS CASE AND IT MAY BE TOOK FIVE MEETINGS TO DO IT, BUT WE'VE REALLY CLEANED IT UP NOW.
AND I THINK IT'S READY FOR Y'ALL TO APPROVE TONIGHT.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING TO THE SLIDE WHERE YOU, YOU DO HAVE THE TURN LANES, YOU, I APPRECIATE YOU GOING THROUGH THE, YOU WENT THROUGH IT AT A GOOD PACE, BUT YOU DID, YOU DID FLIP THROUGH, UM, YEAH.
NOT THAT, NO, THAT, THAT WAS
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
SO IS THIS, MAYBE I SHOULD KNOW THIS, BUT I'LL JUST ASK IT ANYWAY.
IS THIS DIAGRAM, OR IS, OR IS YOUR SOMEWHERE IN YOUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN? DO WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO? I MEAN, YOU DIDN'T EXHIBIT, THIS WAS PROFFERED.
THAT'S WHY THE, OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR.
SO AS I LOOK AT THIS, UM, I MEAN, TH THIS IS STUFF THAT I JUST THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE FEATURE PEOPLE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT ABOUT A VILLAGE PLAN, AND WE TALK ABOUT A VILLAGE PLAN A WHOLE LOT.
AND I THINK I MENTIONED LAST MEETING THAT WE HAVE SOME MONEY FROM A TRANSPORTATION STATE TRANSPORTATION DIVISION TO DO A VILLAGE PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE STUDY.
AND I THINK I'VE HAD SOME BOARD MEMBERS POINT OUT THAT THIS CONFIGURATION IS MAYBE GOING TO IMPACT BICYCLING, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE SIDEWALK, OBVIOUSLY.
UH, BUT THE IDEA HERE IS YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE A LEFT TURN GOING, UH, I GUESS REALLY NORTH AT THIS POINT, GOING NORTH ON ROUTE SIX OR WEST ON ROUTE SIX, THERE WAS A TAPERED LEFT TURN LANE, UM, ON BOTH SIDES REALLY, RIGHT.
THERE'LL BE A LEFT TURN LANE IN EACH DIRECTION.
SO THE ROAD IS WIDE ENOUGH CURRENTLY NOW THAT IT CAN FIT A THREE LANE CONFIGURATION, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE WHEN THE LIBRARY WAS INSTALLED, UH, AT DICKINSON AND THE LIBRARY ENTRANCE, IT'S THE SAME KIND OF CONFIGURATION.
UM, SO WE'RE BASICALLY MIMICKING THAT IN THIS LOCATION.
AND, UH, INITIALLY JUST HAD A LEFT TURN LANE ON A SCOT AND NOT THE LEFT INTO THE DRIVEWAY THAT, THAT BASICALLY LINES UP WITH THE, UH, GOOCHLAND RESTAURANT DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S MULTIPLE DRIVEWAY CUTS IN THAT AREA.
THEY, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT YEAH, RIGHT ACROSS WHERE SCOTT ESSENTIALLY GOOD TO RESTAURANTS ENTRANCE.
SO GOOD TO KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN PROFFERED AS WELL, RIGHT THERE.
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THANK YOU.UM, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
WE'LL START SOME DISCUSSION HERE.
ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ANYBODY WANT TO JUMP IN? SO, UM, I'LL JUST MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, I, WHEN I, WHEN I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD AND WE WOULD TALK TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE VILLAGE AND IMPACTS ON SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL CHILDREN AND ALL THAT TO, I REMEMBER YEARS AGO THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT, I THINK MR. TOWERS SAID IT SINCE WHAT PROBABLY, YOU SAID 2000, OR PROBABLY IN THE NINETIES IN 2008, BUT I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO NED CREASY ABOUT, UH, THIS PROPERTY WAY BACK WHEN, AND, AND IDEAS AND THE FACT THAT IT WOULD EVENTUALLY BE DEVELOPED.
AND I THINK WE'VE HEARD REPEATEDLY AT OUR MEETINGS THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
YOU KNOW, DENSITY IS ALWAYS A COMMENT.
UM, MR. HASKINS, UM, YOU, YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT WE OUGHT TO NOT DO THIS, YOU KNOW, ANY GROWTH UNTIL THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S IN PLACE.
WELL, AND, AND YOU FOCUSED ON TRAFFIC AND, UH, WE WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING IF WE WAITED TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE ON TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC JUST DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY OR BEAT OUT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.
AND THAT'S JUST AN UNFORTUNATE, KIND OF FRUSTRATING REALITY THAT THE NEED HAS TO ARISE.
AND IT HAS TO GET TO A CERTAIN PAIN POINT BEFORE WE CAN GET VETO TO DO SOMETHING.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY THEY OPERATE WITH LIMITED FUNDS AND LOTS OF NEEDS.
UM, AND IT IS A SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION FOR US, BUT CERTAINLY THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND I THINK MR. HASKINS, YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IS HERE.
OUR UTILITY PLAN HAS BEEN REVISED SINCE OUR MASTER UTILITY PLAN HAS BEEN REVISED SINCE I GOT ON THE BOARD.
BUT WHEN I GOT ON THE BOARD, WHEN IN 2018, UH, THERE WAS A FOCUS ON, UH, BUILDING OUR UTILITIES OUT TO MEET AN EXPANDING NEED IN THE COURTHOUSE WHERE THE GROWTH HAS BEEN, UH, SLATED TO COME WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I HEAR THE CONCERN THAT YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IF THERE'S EVER A CLEAR CUT CASE THAT WE CAN USE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS THE GUIDE THAT IT IS, AND NOT SOME SORT OF A BINDING DOCUMENT, THIS IS IT BECAUSE THE PLAN WAS DONE WHEN THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE WAS NOT IN PLACE IN THE COURTHOUSE.
AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT A UTILITY PLAN WORKING WITH DOC AND, AND OTHERS.
WE HAVE A PLAN TO SERVICE THIS AREA.
THESE FOLKS ARE NOT TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF IT AT ALL, BUT TO TOPOGRAPHY AND OTHERWISE THERE, WHAT'D YOU SAY YOU'RE PUTTING 66 HOMES AND 69 HOMES ARE CONNECTING TO BOTH ORDERING SEWER.
SO I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A GOOD JOB ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLEASE EVERYBODY.
UM, MR. MANNIX, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO DENSE, NOT ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, GOING BACK TO OUR EARLIER APPLICATION THIS EVENING, UH, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE SCOTT ROAD WILL EVENTUALLY, UM, BE PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, BUT THE VILLAGE PLAN I'M, I'M EXCITED TO GET GOING ON A VILLAGE PLAN BECAUSE THERE'S LET ME KNOW IT WAS HOW THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO HOLD UP, BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY, UH, A DESIRE AS I THINK SOMEBODY SAID TONIGHT, UH, FOLKS WHO ARE LOOKING TO MOVE TO PLACES LIKE GOOCHLAND.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE THE PRESSURE TO, TO BUILD HERE.
AND, AND THE TARGET IS CENTERVILLE VILLAGE AND THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AND, UH, THERE'S LAND AND LAND OWNERS IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING.
AND I'M, I'M HEARING FROM SOME FOLKS THAT WANT TO ARE LONG TIME RESIDENTS OF GOOCHLAND THAT WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
SO THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS TO GET TOGETHER ON A PLAN, UM, AND, AND TALK ABOUT ALL.
AND WE HAVE SOME RESOURCES NOW TO DO SOME PLANNING, BUT, UH, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T GET THE ORDER THAT WE WANT AND DOING THINGS, BUT I THINK, UH, THIS APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED THINGS, THE WALKABILITY, THE CONNECTIVITY, UM, AND THEY'RE UTILIZING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S BEING BUILT FOR TO BE UTILIZED.
UH, I APPRECIATE YOU ADDRESSING, UM, IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HEAR MS. JENKINS, UM, DIDN'T ASK ABOUT THE BUFFER AT THIS TIME, OR DIDN'T COMMENT ON THE BUFFER, BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE TRIED, TRIED TO RESPOND TO THAT NOW, NOW JUST INVITED HER.
SHE WANTS TO, SHE FORGOT TO SAY ABOUT THE BUFFER, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
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I DIDN'T BUY ASKED FOR THAT, I GUESS.UM, BUT I DO KNOW THE HAVE ADDRESSED, YOU'VE ADDRESSED, UH, UH, I'VE HEARD, I'VE HEARD SOME, SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T SPOKEN THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLIMENTARY AND SAID THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THIS, BUT THEY REALIZE IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
SO I THINK YOU'VE DONE ALL YOU CAN.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD APPLICATION, I THINK, HAS BEEN IMPROVED THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
UM, I KNOW THE DELAYS, PROBABLY NOT WHAT THE LANDOWNER WANTED, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TO A GOOD PLACE AS A RESULT OF THE EFFORTS AND, AND YOU, YOU ALL WORKING WITH STAFF AND, AND, AND WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
SO I, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT ROADS, UH, I WOULD LOVE TO, I WOULD LOVE TO FIX THE ROADS.
AND I THINK IT MIGHT'VE BEEN MR. MENDIX TALKED ABOUT THE OIL VILLE EXIT.
WE, WE, WE, UH, ARE WORRIED ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
UM, I IT'S ON THE LIST AND, AND, AND OUR REPRESENTATIVES KNOW IT IS THE LAST MONTH OR TWO.
I GOT AN EMAIL FROM OUR CONGRESSMEN SPANN BURGER TALKING ABOUT HOW SHE PUT, UM, THE FUNDS IN THE COMMITTEE AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.
THEY, THEY HAVE SET ASIDE THE FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT TO, TO FIX THE OIL BILL EXIT THERE.
AND SO IT IS, IT IS ON THE LIST.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS OF IT THAT WAS JUST IN COMMITTEE, IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, BUT WE ARE TALKING TO OUR CONGRESS REPRESENTATIVES IN CONGRESS ABOUT THINGS LIKE THE INTERSTATE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'RE TALKING TO V DOT AND OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS AND, AND OTHERS AS, AND THAT'S WHAT A VILLAGE STUDY I THINK IS GOING TO HELP US A LOT IN TERMS OF HELPING US PRIORITIZE, UH, THE NEEDS.
UH, SO WITH THAT, I WILL, MR. SPOON HARRIS, DO YOU HAVE KIND BAIL YOU OUT? YEAH.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING AS I LISTENED TO FOLKS AND I, I WRITE DOWN YOUR NAMES AND SORT OF WHAT, WHAT YOU'VE THOUGHT AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN COME BACK AND I CAN TRY TO CONVINCE YOU POTENTIALLY OTHERWISE, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY WORK BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE THERE.
UM, SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T CONVINCE YOU THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT THING, OR IF THIS IS THE RIGHT THING OR NOT, BUT I CAN EXPLAIN SORT OF MY THINKING, AM I THINKING, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS RUNNING, EVERYBODY SAYS THE SAME THING.
WE DON'T MIND GROWTH, BUT JUST DO SMART GROWTH.
EVERYBODY SAYS THAT TO ME, AND I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU LIVE UNTIL IT'S COMING TO WHERE THEY LIVE.
BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT MY CONSTITUENT BASE, I HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND ME.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST UNAVOIDABLE.
UM, THE PREVIOUS BOARDS, AND HOPEFULLY THIS BOARD IS DOING A GREAT JOB.
I GET REPORTS FROM REAL ESTATE.
UH, THE TIME ON MARKET IS CUT IN HALF IN LESS THAN A MONTH OF REAL ESTATE IN GOOCHLAND.
SO HOW, HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THAT GROWTH? AND FOR AS LONG AS I'VE LIVED HERE, WHICH IS 19 YEARS, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S IN CENTERVILLE AND IT'S IN THE COURTHOUSE.
AND THAT'S WHY I MOVED TO GUM SPRING BECAUSE I HAD DECIDED TO DRIVE AN EXTRA 10 MINUTES.
UM, AND A LOT OF TIMES I WISH MY EXIT WAS ILL BECAUSE I COULD GET HOME EARLIER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WHEN LOOKING AT THIS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S 1130 AT NIGHT AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MEETINGS ARE REGARDING THIS.
AND I, I DO HAVE TO, WHEN PEOPLE, WHEN WE, WHEN I LEAVE HERE TONIGHT, I BE GETTING TEXTS FROM PEOPLE SAYING, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WENT THIS WAY OR THAT WAY, AND ON BOTH SIDES, BUT I JUST, WE JUST HAVE TO DO WHAT WE FEEL IS THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.
AND, UM, AND I DO APPRECIATE HOW MUCH, UM, THIS TEAM HAS WORKED TO, TO BRING THIS DOWN TO A, TO A THING THAT I WOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER, LIKE ORIGINALLY I W I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I WOULD CONSIDER IT, BUT NOW IT'S AT LEAST A POINT OF CONSIDERING MR. SHARP.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, THAT, UM, WE GET APPLICATIONS IN DISTRICT FOUR WHERE I AM.
AND IF, IF IT WAS AN AVERAGE ONE AND A HALF ACRES, PER LOT PEOPLE WOULD BE JUMPING UP AND DOWN.
THEY'RE FIGHTING ONE FIFTH OF AN ACRE PER LOT, BUT THE SAME SIZE HOUSES ON IT.
THEY WANT TWO ACRE, LOTS, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND IN THAT AREA, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT.
AND I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I'VE SAID THIS AT ONE TIME THAT TAKING AN AVERAGE OF THE TOTAL ACREAGE WITH THE NUMBER OF HOUSES, ISN'T FAIR BECAUSE SOME OF THE LOTS ARE SMALLER.
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WELL, THAT'S TRUE.BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING OVERALL DENSITY, IF YOU'VE GOT, AND WE HAD THIS ON A PROJECT A YEAR AND A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, YOU KNOW, IT CALLED FOR 98 HOUSES ON MONEY, EIGHT ACRES.
THEY STARTED OUT AT 240 HOUSES.
THE LOTS ARE SMALLER, BUT THERE'S 98 HOUSES IN 98.
THERE'S STILL MANY EIGHT HOUSES THERE.
THERE'S STILL PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE HOUSES, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN 150, 170 HOUSES, WHICH IS WHAT THEY STARTED OUT WITH 220 OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER PROJECTS WE'RE FIGHTING WHERE IT CALLS FOR TWO ACRE, LOTS, IT'S IN THE EASTERN PART OF THEIR SEWER THERE'S WATER.
AND I AGREE THAT JUST BECAUSE WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS DONE, SEWER AND WATER WAS AVAILABLE THERE, IT WAS ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, NOW OUR SEWER AND WATER IS IN THERE.
IT CAN TAKE HIGHER DENSITY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU DO IT ON FIVE ACRE, LOTS.
UM, SO IF YOU GET YOUR DENSITY CLOSER, WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS LOOKED AT, THEN IT'S, I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT, BUT IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN HAVING, YOU KNOW, THEY STARTED OUT WITH 200 AND HOW MANY HOUSES, TWO 40, WHATEVER IT WAS.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD FAITH EFFORT.
THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN CROZIER.
I USED TO BE ABLE TO PULL UP CORNWELL ROAD TERM, TURN LEFT, OR RIGHT WITHIN NO MORE THAN FIVE SECONDS.
SOME DAYS IT TAKES ME A MINUTE.
UM, AND THAT'S GOING TO GET A LITTLE WORSE OVER TIME, BUT IT'S A MINUTE.
UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT BAD.
AND, UM, THIS AREA IS, IS, IS LOOKING TO BE THE AREA, UH, WHERE THERE'S MORE POPULATION.
PEOPLE WANT MORE BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE WITH MONEY IN THEIR POCKET TO SPEND IT, THOSE BUSINESSES, THEY DON'T LAST.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I HEAR PEOPLE, WE WANT MORE RESTAURANTS.
BUT WITH THE EXISTING PEOPLE, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO NO, AND I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE DON'T WANT QUARTER ACRE, LOTS OR, OR SMALLER, BUT I DON'T THINK AFTER EVERYTHING I'VE LOOKED AT IN HERE, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A BAD PLAN FOR THE VILLAGE.
IT'S GOT PLENTY OF OPEN SPACE.
IT'S GOING TO FIT IN WITH WHAT PEOPLE ARE HOPING THE VILLAGE IS GOING TO BE, AS OPPOSED TO CINEMA, WHERE IT'S FOUR LANES RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT.
AND YOU'VE GOT A VILLAGE SOMEHOW TRYING TO SURVIVE ON TWO SIDES OF FOUR LANES, WHICH IS TOUGH.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S NOT WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS, BUT SOMETHING'S COMING.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A BAD ALTERNATIVE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THE BOARD MEMBERS DO WANT TO GET A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO DISCUSSIONS.
WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION, THE REZONING APPLICATION, UH, R Z 20 21 0 0 0 6 BY YELLOWSTONE COMMUNITIES, LLC.
NOW DISCUSSION WHAT WE JUST DID.
WELL, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING, SEEING NO DISCUSSION OF MS. HUNTER ROLL CALL.
THANK EVERYBODY FOR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL ADJOURN TO OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
[XV. Adjournment: The Board of Supervisors will adjourn as follows:]
2:00 PM.[09:30:04]
WE SPLIT THE BABY LISA.