Oct 07, 2021 Planning Commission Meeting 10-7-21

UH, WE'LL REMIND THE COMMISSION.

ALL THE POSTS I SAID, WE NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD.

THIS IS FOR ANY THING YOU WISH TO DISCUSS, UH,

[5. Citizen Comment Period]

NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DISCUSS, PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES SAYING NO ONE WISHING TO COME FORWARD.

WE'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.

MS. PARKER, WE HAVE NO REQUESTS TO ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES TO THE ORDER OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE FIRST ITEMS NIGHT IS A TENTATIVE FLAT REVIEW.

[6. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions, or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings]

THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM.

AND AS SUCH, IT WILL NOT COME BEFORE THE BOARD,

[7. Tentative Plat Review]

M A J T 20 21 0 0 0 0 1 RURAL HILL ON THE JAMES TENTATIVE PLAT APPLICATION FILED BY YOUNGBLOOD, TYLER AND ASSOCIATES, PC REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION PLAT FOR 170 LOTS SUBDIVISION.

THE TENTATIVE PLAT IS REQUIRED BY ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION TWO OF THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

THANK YOU, MS. PARKER, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I'M JAMIE SHERRY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

AS MS. PARKER SAID THIS, UH, FIRST APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST FOR THE APPROVAL OF A TENTATIVE PLAT FOR RURAL HILL ON THE JAMES SUBDIVISION LOCATED HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE FOR 170 ACRES.

I MEAN LOTS, EXCUSE ME.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

UM, THE PRO I SCOTT ROAD, RURAL HILL LANE, CEDAR POINT ROAD AND GATHWRIGHT DRIVE, UH, TH THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED BACK IN AUGUST, AS YOU RECALL, UH, THEIR, UM, PROPOSAL WAS FOR 130 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED LOTS.

UM, THEY WILL ACCESS RIVER ROAD WEST THROUGH THE REED MAR SUBDIVISION, WHICH HAS THE SIGNALIZED LIGHT.

AND THEN ALONG SCOTT ROAD, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING STUBBORN ROADS TO CONNECT TO ADJOINING PROPERTIES, UM, PER V THAT THE, UM, ALL THE PROPERTIES WILL HAVE PUBLIC WATER.

69 OF THEM WILL BE SERVED BY, UM, PUBLIC SEWER.

THIS IS THE PROFFERED CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS BEFORE YOU, UM, UH, THIS PAST SUMMER AND, UH, WHAT

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THEY WERE PROPOSING THE TENTATIVE PLAT APPEARS TO MEET, UM, ALL THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS ALL THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS.

THIS HERE IS THE ACTUAL, UH, TENTATIVE PLAT IN FRONT OF YOU, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S, UH, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS, UH, PROPOSED, UM, WITH THE REZONING APPLICATION PER THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

UH, ANY FLAG LOT REQUIRES PLANNING, COMMISSION APPROVAL, REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

UH, LOT 75, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN IS A FLAG LOT, UM, APPEARS TO BE MADE ALL THE BUILDING SETBACKS, UM, AND ALL THE OTHER ROAD DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.

AND IF IT IS APPROVED, THE TENTATIVE PLAN IS APPROVED.

IT WILL BE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP AS PRESENTED IN YOUR PACKET.

AND IN THE, IN THE, UH, STAFF COURT, THERE ARE 18 CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPROVAL THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ONE THROUGH 18.

I'M GOING TO READING THAT TO YOU DIRECTLY.

MOST OF THEM ARE JUST REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT THE, UH, SUBDIVISION PROCESS REQUIRES MOST OF THEM TYPICALLY AS THEY PERTAINED TO UTILITIES AND, UM, SETBACKS AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES, THERE ARE TWO, UH, THAT WERE ADDED, UH, IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE NORMALLY HAVE, UM, CONDITION NUMBER 19 SAYS THAT ALL THE BUILDING ENVELOPES MUST BE REMOVED SINCE, UH, THE STAFF REPORT WENT OUT.

THE, UM, BUILDING ENVELOPES HAVE BEEN REMOVED OFF THE TENTATIVE PLAT.

UH, OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT REFERENCE, UH, BUILDING ENVELOPES.

WE SUGGESTED THAT THEY TAKE IT OFF.

AND THEN, UH, JUST SO THAT FOR CLARITY, ALL OF THE BUILDING SETBACK LINES MUST BE SHOWN ON THE CUL-DE-SAC AS WELL AS THE FLAG.

LOTS THAT, UH, FINISHES MY PRESENTATION VERY QUICKLY.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR THE APPLICANT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

UM, FURTHER KIND OF TELL US WHAT A FLAG GLUTS, CERTAINLY THE DEFINITION OF A FLAG THAT ACTUALLY COMES FROM THE SUBDIVISION OR IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A 50 FOOT.

IT REQUIRES TO BE A 50 FOOT, UM, EXCUSE ME, ACCESS OFF OF ONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL, THE LOCAL ROADS, CAN'T BE MORE THAN 300 FEET.

AND THEN IT HAS TO HAVE LIKE A BUILDABLE AREA IN THE BACKGROUND OF IT.

UM, TYPICALLY THEY'RE DONE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SORT OF GEOGRAPHIC REASON THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE JUST A REGULAR LOT WITH THE PROPER FRONTAGE KIND OF SHOEHORNING IN SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S MORE ROOM IN THE BACK.

CORRECT.

AND, UM, WHAT, SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH FLAG LOTS WHERE LIKE, IF THEY'RE ON SMALLER LOTS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU BUILD A HOUSE AND THEN SOMEBODY BUILDS A HOUSE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

THAT KIND OF THING.

THE, UM, THE BUILDABLE AREA IN THE SETBACK SEEMED TO, UH, AVOID THAT IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, THE PEOPLE BUYING BOAT FOLKS, LOTS WOULD BE AWARE OF THAT.

IT WOULD BE MADE AWARE THAT THAT WAS A FLAG LOT BEHIND THEM OR A HOME IN FRONT OF THEM.

UM, IT WOULD DEPEND ON IF THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE THE PLAT ITSELF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE SUBDIVISION PLAT WOULD SHOW A, BUT IT WOULD REALLY DEPEND ON IF IT INDEPENDENT, SURVEYOR WOULD, WOULD SHOW THEM THAT BY DILIGENCE.

CORRECT.

BUT IT IS ON, IT WOULD BE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS NOT A HEARING.

THIS IS JUST AN ACTION.

THAT'S CORRECT.

DON'T NEED A MOTION, MOTION, HAVE A MOTION, A MOTION TO APPROVE.

ASYA OKAY.

IT'S BEEN MOTIONED AND PROPERLY.

SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR.

ALL OF THE POSTS AS HAVING OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS IN DISTRICT ONE, CU 20 21 0 0 0 0 8.

[8. Public Hearing Items]

APPLICATION BY ELIZABETH PAGE.

BABER REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL

[1. District 1 - CU-2021-00008 - Application by Elizabeth Paige Baber requesting a Conditional Use Permit to operate a retail store and retail greenhouse/nursery on 16.5 acres at 6165 River Road West on Tax Map No. 25-1-0-13-A. The property is zoned Agricultural, General (A-1). The Conditional Use Permit is required by County Zoning Ordinance Section 15-102. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Rural Enhancement.Comment]

USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A RETAIL STORE AND RETAIL GREENHOUSE NURSERY ON 16.5 ACRES AT 61 65 RIVER ROAD WEST ON TAX MAP, 25 1 0 13 A THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL AWAN.

THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15 1 0 2.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT.

THANK YOU AS PARKER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

AGAIN, JAMIE SHERRY, THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A RETAIL STORE AND RETAIL GREENHOUSE NURSERY ON RIVER ROAD WEST.

THE, UH, PROPER SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY, JUST SOUTH OF RE UH, RIVER ROAD WEST.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL AS IS ALL THE PROPERTY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT

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AREA, AS ARE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

UH, THE PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IS LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF RIVER ROAD.

THERE IS A RAIL LINE THAT RUNS BEHIND THE PROPERTY.

UH, THIS IS AN, UM, AN ACTIVE FARM.

UH, SO THERE ARE FARMING ACTIVITIES ACTUALLY ON THE, UM, ON, ON THE PROPERTY.

THE REASON WHY THEY WOULD NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS THEY ARE GOING TO BE SELLING ITEMS OTHER THAN THAT, WHICH IS SOLD ON THEIR FARM.

SO THEY ARE PROPOSING A RETAIL STORE AND THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU ON THE SCREEN, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS 200, ABOUT 425 SQUARE FEET BUILDINGS.

SO IT'S A RELATIVELY, UH, CONTAINED SMALL BUILDING.

UM, AS A, UM, MENTIONED THAT THIS APPLICATION ORIGINALLY DID COME IN AS A RETAIL GREENHOUSE NURSERY.

IN ADDITION TO THE RETAIL, THE APPLICANT HAS RE RE UH, WITHDRAWN THAT PORTION.

IT'S STILL PART OF YOUR APPLICATION, UH, INITIALLY, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE ADVERTISED IT ON THE DAYAS.

THERE IS A RESOLUTION THAT HAS THE STRIKE-THROUGH OF THE GREENHOUSE REFERENCE IN THE RESOLUTION.

IF YOU DO APPROVE THIS, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD BE GOING ON.

UM, SO THE RETAIL SALES FOR THIS, UH, FOR THE STORE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE LOCALLY GROWN ITEMS, UH, ITEMS FROM THE FARM, OTHER FARMERS AND, UM, ARTISAN CRAFTS.

UH, THERE IS ALSO, UM, A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT TO HAVE, UM, PUMPKINS AND CHRISTMAS TREES SOLD OUTDOORS.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UPON APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION AS WELL.

THAT WOULD BE DONE IN A DESIGNATED AREA FROM SEPTEMBER ONE TO JANUARY ONE, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

UH, THERE ARE HOURS OF OPERATIONS AND, UH, DAVE RESTRICTIONS AS WELL ASSOCIATED WITH THIS 8:00 AM TO 7:00 PM WOULD BE THE HOURS.

AND THAT WOULD BE TUESDAY, OR EXCUSE ME, THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.

UH, AS I MENTIONED, RETAIL SALES WOULD BE LIMITED TO PRIMARILY, UH, LOCALLY GROWN ITEMS AND CRAFT ITEMS. UM, THE CUP, UM, IS BECAUSE IT IS NOT STRICTLY AN ONSITE FARMING OPERATION, SO THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE, UM, UH, RETAIL PORTION OF THIS.

UM, AND I MENTIONED THE OUTDOOR SALES AND THE HOURS ALREADY.

SO, UM, THE, THERE WOULD BE A RETAIL STORE THAT WOULD BE LIMITED BY THE CONDITIONS.

AND I MENTIONED THE TREES ALREADY, BUT, UM, WHAT'S, UH, ALSO IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A FIVE-YEAR RENEWAL.

SO THIS WOULD BE, UM, GOOD UNTIL NOVEMBER 20, 26 COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD IN AUGUST, UM, SUPERVISOR LAST COLETTE AND, UM, PLANNING COMMISSIONER, MR. MEYERS WAS IN ATTENDANCE ALONG WITH SIS SIX CITIZENS, UH, CONCERNS WERE RAISED REGARDING PARKING, UM, ACTIVITIES PROPOSED ON THE PROPERTY, POTENTIAL EXPANSION TYPES OF PRODUCTS TO BE SOLD AND HOURS OF OPERATION.

IF THIS, UH, REQUEST IS APPROVED, THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION.

UH, NUMBER ONE, YOU, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THIS RETAIL OPERATION.

NUMBER TWO, IT WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE 425 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE RETAIL USE NUMBER THREE, UH, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO ACTUALLY EXPAND ANOTHER 75 SQUARE FEET.

AND THAT WAY THEY COULD DO A SMALL EXPANSION OF THAT EXISTING BUILDING AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

NUMBER FOUR, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SEASONAL ITEMS, UH, PUMPKINS AND CHRISTMAS TREES BEING SOLD BETWEEN SEPTEMBER ONE IN JANUARY ONE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT BEFORE THE STORE OPENS.

AND THEN WHEN THEY ADD THE OUTDOOR SALES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT AMENDED, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET.

IT WOULD HAVE TO, UH, GENERALLY CONFORM TO THAT, THAT HAS THE LOCATION OF THE OUTDOOR DISPLAY ITEMS. UM, AGAIN, TALKS ABOUT THE OUTDOOR SALES HOURS OF OPERATION.

I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED A FIVE-YEAR EXPIRATION WOULD BE NUMBER NINE.

AND LASTLY, NUMBER 10 IS OUR, OUR STANDARD TRANSPORT OR LEASE A CONDITION THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT MS. PAVER IS ALSO HERE.

THEY ASKED TO BE LIMITED TO JUST PUMPKIN.

WELL, THAT WAS WHAT SHE ASKED FOR.

WELL THAT AREA, HOW I ASSUME THAT AREA WILL HAVE TO BE LIT LIKE THIS TIME A YEAR, WOULD THAT, WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO TURN THE LIGHTS OFF WHEN THE ACTIVITY IS, UM, THERE? SO WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO ANY KIND OF OUTDOOR ACTIVITY.

WHEN THE, WHEN THE, UM, EVENING COMES, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED THROUGH THEIR PLANET DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN AS PART OF IT.

AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, UM, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, UH, THE LIGHTS WERE TO THE PROPER SCALE, ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS THEN, UM, BEING, UM, UH, DARK SKY COMPLIANT.

BUT NO, THERE, THERE IS NO HOURS OF OPERATION ASSOCIATED

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WITH THE LIGHTING.

TYPICALLY THEY WOULD TURN THEM OFF WITH THEIR BUSINESS, BUT THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE IN YEAH, IF YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC, MAYBE JUST STATE YOUR NAME JUST FOR THE RECORD.

UM, PAIGE BIEBER, UH, DO YOU WANT TO BE LIMITED TO JUST TREES AND BUMPERS? UM, NO, SIR.

UM, WE HAVE A HIGH TUNNEL GREENHOUSE THAT WE WANTED TO ADD, UM, UM, FLOWERS AND, UM, PICK YOUR OWN.

AND, BUT IT IS, UM, A SHELL OF A GREENHOUSE RIGHT NOW.

AND, UM, SO, UM, DOWN THE ROAD, WE WANTED TO ADD THAT, AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN, UM, I'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO WE WANTED TO PUT IN THE PUMPKINS AND THE, UM, CHRISTMAS TREES, UM, THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY START OUT BRINGING IN FROM, UM, ANOTHER LOCAL FARMER, UM, UNTIL WE CAN GET THOSE THINGS ESTABLISHED ON OUR FARM.

BUT, UM, SO BECAUSE IT WAS LIMITED TO THE FIVE-YEARS, UM, STARTING OUT, UM, WE JUST TOOK THAT PART KIND OF OFF FOR NOW, UM, FOR OUTSIDE SALES.

UM, AND THEN IF WE DID A SPECIAL EVENT FOR, UM, LIKE CHRISTMAS OR A HOLIDAY, UM, I WOULD COME AND ASK FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD REQUIRE MORE PARKING AND, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

NO, SIR.

HOW MUCH ROOM DO YOU HAVE FOR PARKING? I HAVE, UM, BECAUSE IT IS A, THE 425 SQUARE FOOT.

UM, I HAVE TWO DESIGNATED PARKING SPOTS.

I HAVE ONE THAT IS ACCESSIBLE.

UM, THE BUILDING HAS A RAMP.

UM, SO THOSE ARE DESIGNATED.

AND THEN, UM, THE, IF WE HAD OTHER PARKING, I'M HOPING, I MEAN, OTHER, UM, CUSTOMERS AT THE SAME TIME, I'M HOPING THEY COULD PARK ALONG THE FORM ROAD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I MEAN, WE NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS, PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE WISHING TO COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE FREE MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS LISA .

I'M AT 33 30 CEDAR PLAINS ROAD IN SANDY HOOK.

UM, I REALLY AM IN SUPPORT OF MS. FAVORS APPLICATION.

UM, I RUN A NONPROFIT THAT HAS FOUR FARMER'S MARKETS, AND WE DO AN ONLINE MARKET.

SO PROFESSIONALLY I'VE, UM, OFFERED TO LEND MY TIME AND EXPERTISE TO HELP HER AND GUIDE HER.

UM, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL, AND I REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS, THIS, UH, APPLICATION BE APPROVED, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE IN WESTERN GOOCHLAND, IT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST FOOD DESERTS IN THE WHOLE STATE.

THERE'S JUST REALLY NO ACCESS TO REALLY HEALTHY, LOCAL FOOD.

AND WE REALLY NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO I WOULD DO ANYTHING TO HELP HER.

AND I REALLY HOPE YOU APPROVE IT.

ANYONE ELSE, WHEN YOU HAVE CLOSED YOUR CITIZEN COUNTY PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WE'LL, DO WE RECOMMEND THIS APPLICATION FOR APPROVAL A SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO, IT'S BEEN MOTIONED AND PROPERLY SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR.

APPLICATION BY REDSIN COMPANIES INC.

ALL OPPOSED GUYS HAVE OUR NEXT ITEM IS IN DISTRICT ONE, OUR Z 20 21 0 0 0 0 9.

[2. District 1 - RZ-2021-00009 - Application by Rhetson Companies, Inc. requesting a rezoning of 3.51 acres from Agricultural, General (A-1) and Business, General (B-1) to Business, General (B-1), with proffered conditions, located on the northside of River Road West approximately 300 feet from the intersection of Hadensville Fife Road and River Road West on Tax Map No. 26-3-0-1-0. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Commercial.Comment]

REQUESTING A REZONING OF 3.5, ONE ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL GENERAL AWAN AND BUSINESS GENERAL TO BUSINESS GENERAL.

ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF RIVER ROAD, WEST, APPROXIMATELY 300 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION OF HAYNESVILLE FIVE ROAD AND RIVER ROAD WEST ON TEXT MAP 26 3 0 1 0.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS COMMERCIAL.

THANK YOU, MS. PARKER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

AGAIN, JAMIE SHERRY, UM, AS MS. PARKER SAID, THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST FROM RETSINA COMPANIES.

UH, THEY ARE REZONING.

THEIR REQUEST IS TO REZONE A

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APPROXIMATELY THREE AND A HALF ACRE LOT IN, UM, GEORGIA'S TAVERN.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE, ON THE SCREEN, IT IS LOCATED IN THE FARTHER WEST.

AND AS I MENTIONED, IT IS IN THE HEART OF GEORGE'S TAVERN, CROSSROADS.

UM, THIS IS THE ZONING MAP, AS YOU CAN SEE, PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED A ONE AGRICULTURAL GENERAL, AND A PORTION IS ZONED B ONE, UH, BUSINESS GENERAL, UH, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE RED, THERE ARE ALSO, UM, PART OF THE GEORGIA'S TAVERN ZONING.

UM, ACTUALLY THIS IS A BETTER MAP OF SHOWING WHAT IS IN GEORGE'S TAVERN IDENTIFIED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND THIS IS, UM, DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS THE, AS YOU CAN SEE IT IS, UM, IT'S UNDEVELOPED.

UM, IT IS LOCATED RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION PORTION OF IT RUNNING ALONG HAYNESVILLE FIVE ROAD AND A PORTION OF IT ON RIVER ROAD WEST.

UH, THIS IS THE TRANSMISSION OR MAYBE FORM OF TRANSMISSION SHOP.

UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TONIGHT ALSO OWNS THIS PROPERTY AND THE AREA SURROUNDING IT IS ALSO, UM, CONVENIENCE STORE RE RELATED IN AUTO-RELATED, AS I'VE MENTIONED, UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY, UH, GENERAL BUSINESS WITH PROFFERS.

UM, WHAT THEY HAVE PROFFERED ARE TWO ALTERNATIVE, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLANS.

UH, THEY HAVE LIMITED THE RETAIL, THE USE TO RETAIL STORE, OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, AND OFFICE MEDICAL, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

THEY ARE, UM, LIMITING THE HOURS OF OPERATION FROM 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM.

UM, THEY HAVE ELEVATED, UM, THEY HAVE PROFFERED ELEVATIONS FOR THE BUILDING AS WELL AS THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.

UH, SO AS I MENTIONED TO SET CONCEPTUAL PLANS WERE, UM, SUBMITTED.

UH, THIS IS MAINLY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT CONCERNS ALONG RIVER ROAD WEST.

UH, THERE ARE SPEED CONCERNS, UH, ON RIVER ROAD, WEST, AND THERE'S CONCERNS PERTAINING TO THE SAFETY, UM, OF ACCESS TO AND FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS TRAFFIC CONCERNS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, GIVEN US TWO DIFFERENT, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN, MOSTLY JUST FLIPPING THE, UM, YOU'LL SEE IT IT'S, IT'S FLIPPING THE, UH, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING TO, UH, TRY TO ADDRESS THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT, UM, CON CONCERNS.

SO THIS IS EXHIBIT A, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED WITH BY THE APPLICANT, UM, ON THE FRONT PORTION WITH THE PART THAT HAS THE MORE DETAILED CONCEPTUAL, UH, PART OF THE PLAN.

THIS IS FOR A LARGER RETAIL STORE.

UM, THEY DO HAVE A PROPOSED USER, UH, DOLLAR GENERAL, UH, THE STORE WOULD BE, UH, 10,640 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS ONE OF THEIR LARGER STORE FOOTPRINTS.

UM, SO WITH THIS, UM, AND I'LL GET INTO THIS MORE, BUT THE ACCESS TO THIS, UM, SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ONE ENTRANCE AND IT ALSO LINKS THE, UM, THE TRANSMISSION, UM, LOCATION, THE TRANSITION SHOP LOCATION.

SO THAT CREATES JUST ONE, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY.

THIS WOULD BE ELIMINATED THE REAR USE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A SEPARATE, UH, PARCEL THAT, UH, FUTURE PARCEL BACK HERE, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 1.3 ACRES, UM, THAT HAS A, UH, BUILDING LOCATION ON IT.

UH, THAT'S JUST CONCEPTUAL, THERE IS NO USER FOR THAT.

SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE PROPOSED USE IS GOING TO BE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE PROFFERS.

IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO EITHER RETAIL OR ONE OF THOSE TWO TYPES OF OFFICES.

UM, THE CONCEPT PLAN ALSO SHOWS A 30 FOOT BUFFER THAT RUNS ALONG THE WESTERN AND NORTHERN PART OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT IS THE, UM, REQUIRED 30, UM, 30 FEET THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DO.

SO.

UM, ONE OF THE REASONS, AS I MENTIONED THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN US THE TWO ALTERNATIVES IS MOSTLY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS OF ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.

UM, AS I MENTIONED THIS, UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT SAME PLAN THAT YOU JUST LOOKED AT, BUT THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE ACCESS CONCERNS.

UH, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE IS ONE ACCESS ON OFF OF RIVER ROAD WEST.

THIS ONE WOULD BE ELIMINATED.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD SUPPORT.

HOWEVER, THIS STILL DOES NOT MEET THE ACCESS, UM, REQUIREMENTS, UH, UH, THE, UM, THE, EITHER OUR REQUIREMENTS OR B DOT'S REQUIREMENTS, UM, THERE IS CONCERNED THIS IS KIND OF A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA.

I MEAN, HIGH-SPEED AREA.

SO THERE IS CONCERNS HOW, UH, PEOPLE ENTERING THE SITE WOULD BE COMING DOWN HERE AND WOULD THERE BE TAPERS OR TURN LANES, UM, AT THAT SPEED, THAT IS A CONCERN.

AND AS I'VE MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE'S INTERNAL CONCERNS WITH HOW, UM, TRUCKS WOULD GET

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IN AND HOW THEY WOULD TURN AROUND AS WELL AS FIRE AND RESCUE ACCESSING, ACCESSING THE BUILDING.

AND SO THIS IS EXHIBIT A ALTERNATIVE, WHICH WAS ALSO IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, UH, VERY SIMILAR, UH, UH, SIMILAR CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU AND EXHIBIT A, BUT IT IS FLIPPED HAS MANY OF THE SAME INTERNAL CONCERNS, BUT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS WITH THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

IT KEEPS THIS ONE ENTRANCE OPEN TO THE TRANSIT TRANSMISSION STOP, AND THEN CREATES A SECOND ENTRANCE OVER HERE.

NEITHER ONE OF THESE MEET THE, UM, THE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR ACCESS.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE'S MINIMUM STANDARDS COULD BE REDUCED IF IT DOES PROVIDE FOR A SAFE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.

UM, UH, SO IF THIS WERE TO BE PURSUED, UH, THIS ENTRANCE OVER HERE, THERE IS SOME CONCERN TYPICALLY, UH, THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE READS IS THAT IF YOU CAN'T MEET ACCESS AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A CROSSOVER ENTRANCE, UM, ROUTE 45 RIGHT HERE, CARTERSVILLE ROAD, UM, WOULD LEND THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY.

UH, THIS ALSO PUTS INTO JEOPARDY A PORTION OF THE BUFFER THAT IS REQUIRED.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING TO, UM, NOT THAT THAT CAN'T BE OVERCOME, UM, WITH SOME INTERNAL, UM, REWORKING TO THAT.

THAT IS ALSO A CONCERN.

I MENTIONED THE, UM, INTERNAL, UH, TRUCKS AND IRS RESCUE CONCERNS.

THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED, UM, ELEVATIONS, AS I MENTIONED, ELEVATIONS FOR THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS ELEVATIONS, UH, TO SHOW THE MATERIALS FOR THE SCREENING OF THE DUMPSTER.

UM, SO THE APPLICATION, UM, THE PR, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE ACTUAL ELEVATIONS THAT YOU SEE UP ON THE SCREEN, UM, WE HAVE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO, UM, GIVE US A NEW RENDERING THAT SHOWS SOMETHING THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE ACTUAL PROFFER SAYS THE PROFFER DOES, UM, OFFER SPECIFIC MATERIALS AND LOCATION OF THE MATERIALS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE, NO, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO RAVEN ON, ON THE, UM, ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED.

IT GETS VERY SPECIFIC LEFT-RIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHICH SIDE WOULD LOOK LIKE WHAT, AND PLUS THERE'S, UM, THE BUILDING MATERIAL THAT IS ON THIS, UM, CONCEPTUAL DOESN'T MATCH THE PROPER, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, ENFORCEMENT.

I THINK, I THINK THE WAY IT STANDS, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE, BUT, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CLEANED UP.

AND THEN, UM, I MENTIONED THE DUMPSTER, UM, UH, ELEVATION AS WELL.

SO, UM, AGAIN, I'M GOING TO GO OVER REAL QUICKLY.

UH, SOME OF THE REMAINING CONCERNS, BOTH CONCEPTUAL PLANS, UH, STILL DON'T MEET, UH, SAFE ACCESS REQUIREMENTS, UM, ALTERNATIVE A SHOWS, TWO ENTRANCES, UM, INSTEAD OF THE ONE, UH, COMBINED ENTRANCE.

AND THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED EVEN IF THE, UM, ACCESS, UM, WAS MOVED FARTHER DOWN, PARTICULARLY SINCE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE SAME AS THE SAME PROPERTY AS THE TRANSMISSION SHOP THAT WE WERE THINKING THAT THAT COULD SOMEHOW BE COORDINATED TO HAVE ONE ENTRANCE THAT ENTERED INTO BOTH LOCATIONS, UH, SAFETY CONCERNS, UM, UH, AS, AS THIS DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE OF THE SPEED.

UM, AS FAR AS FOLKS GETTING ON IN AND OUT OF THE, UM, OUT OF THE SITE, AS WELL AS, UM, CONCERNS WITH JUST BATCHING UP THE ELEVATIONS COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD IN AUGUST, UH, SUPERVISOR LAST GOULET AND TWO RESIDENTS AND THREE BUSINESS OWNERS WERE IN ATTENDANCE, UH, TRAP IT, THERE WERE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, SIGHT DISTANCE, UH, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, AGAIN, THE SPEED LIMIT, UH, SITE ACCESS AND TURN LANES, UH, SITE ISSUES, AND CLEARLY LIKE WATER RUNOFF AND HOW IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED.

UM, AND THEN, UH, THERE WERE CONCERNS, UH, QUESTIONS FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AS TO THE STORE LAYOUT AND WHAT TYPE OF ITEMS WOULD BE SOLD.

UM, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, OFFERED THE THREE, UM, PROVERS NUMBER ONE IS THE TWO ALTERNATIVE, UH, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLANS.

UH, THE WAY IT'S WORDED IS THAT, UM, BASED ON ACCESS MANAGEMENT, UH, THE ONE OR TWO OF THE, ONE OF THE TWO OF THEM WOULD BE PROFFERED BASED ON WHICHEVER ONE IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR ACCESS MANAGEMENT.

UM, ARCHITECTURALS, UH, THAT WAS EXHIBIT B AND EXHIBIT B SHOWED BOTH THE RENDERING OF THE BUILDING.

WELL, AS THE DUMPSTER HOURS OF OPERATION ON 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM FOR BOTH, UM, BOTH PARTS OF THE, UM, THE PROPERTY AND THE RESTRICTIONS OF USED BEING RETAIL, UM, OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, OR OFFICE MEDICAL, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

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AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.

UM, SORRY.

OH, IS THERE ENOUGH LAYING, UM, ON, UM, RIVER ROAD FROM WHERE HE IS BILL FIVE ROAD STARTS FOR LEFT FOR TURNING LANE.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE, UH, REALLY DONE THE MEASUREMENTS FOR.

SO, I MEAN, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION IF THE APPLICANT THEN, AND WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THEM, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS REQUIRED THROUGH A, UM, A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD MAYBE MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS BECAUSE THE, THE PLAYER, THE PLAYER INTERESTED IN DRAG, WE ARE SIMILAR TO THE DOLLAR GENERAL RIGHT THERE AT, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF 5 22 AND TWO 50.

UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DOLLAR GENERAL.

THEY, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A TURNING LANE EITHER, BUT THEY DO HAVE A, QUITE A WIDE AND DOESN'T CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS FOR THAT ONE.

AND I THINK THE SPEED NUMBER IS STILL 55, THE 55 THERE.

AND, UM, ONE OF THE, I MEAN, I HAD MENTIONED THE SPEED BEFORE AND YES, A LOT OF OUR ROADS HERE IN THE COUNTY ARE 55 MILES AN HOUR.

THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS, UM, AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN STUDIED BY.AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY.

WE HAD TRIED TO, UM, UH, SEE IF THIS WAS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT.

AND THAT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE STILL SUPPORTIVE OF.

AND SO, UH, A SPEED BUDDY STUDY DOES, WAS DONE BACK IN 2019, AND IT DID INDICATE THAT THERE WERE SPEED ISSUES.

LIKE PEOPLE WENT OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, THERE WAS SOME SIGNAGE PUT OUT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A DOCUMENTED SPEED ISSUE.

OR, AND I FORGET, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT, UH, DOLLAR GENERAL IS ACTUALLY IN LOUISE ON THAT ONE.

THE, UM, JUST TO, UH, ANYTHING TO WHAT MR. MEYER SAID, THE DOLLAR GENERAL MINERAL, UH, DOES HAVE LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES.

IT APPEARS GOING INTO THEIR FACILITY, BUT, UM, MANY OF THEM SEEM TO JUST HAVE A TAPER, YOU KNOW, IN CUMBERLAND AND OTHER, OTHER LOCALITIES, BUT CUMBERLAND IS 35 MILES AN HOUR THROUGH THE COURTHOUSE.

THERE IS A COMMITMENT FROM DOLLAR GENERAL TO DO THIS, IF IT REZONED TO DO WHAT TO PUT A BUILDING THERE.

THAT THEY ARE.

UM, WELL, THE, UM, PROPOSAL IS FOR A BUILDING THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

SO I KNOW THAT THEY DO HAVE, UM, DOLLAR GENERAL IS ACTUALLY THE APPLICANT.

UM, THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE DOING THIS REZONING ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.

HOW DOES HE PLAN ON GETTING A TRACTOR TRAILER IN THERE, BACK OUT ONTO A, UH, THAT IS A QUESTION THAT MAY BE BETTER FOR THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE STAFF CONCERNS AS PRESENTED.

IT COULD BE OVERCOME THE APPLICANT'S HERE.

A MINUTE AGO MENTIONED THE FOOD DESERT ISSUE.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

I'M CARY HUTCHERSON HERE FOR THE APPLICANT.

UH, I ALSO HAVE THESE GENTLEMEN WITH ME, ALAN CAGLE IS FROM REDSIN COMPANIES WHO THE APPLICANT, AND ALSO HAVE SETH EPPERSON FROM SUMMIT SITE AND OUR DESIGN AND ENGINEERING FIRM.

AND THEY CAN ANSWER A NUMBER OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.

Y'ALL WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL BE HAPPY TO GET INTO QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO INTRODUCE THE APPLICANT FOR A SECOND AND EXPLAIN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN AND COMPANIES WHO WAS THE APPLICANT AND MY CLIENT AND DOLLAR GENERAL, UH, RATS AND COMPANIES AS A PREFERRED DEVELOPER FOR DOLLAR GENERAL IN VIRGINIA, NORTH CAROLINA, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND GEORGIA.

SO, UM, IT'S NOT QUITE ACCURATE WHAT MS. SHERRY SAID, BUT SHE WAS CLOSE.

UH, SO TO THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY, UM, MY CLIENT IS RETSINA COMPANIES.

THE DEVELOPER RETSINA COMPANY'S CLIENT IS DOLLAR GENERAL.

SO THEY REDSIN COMPANIES WORKS FOR DOLLAR GENERAL, DOLLAR GENERAL TELLS THEM, HEY, WE WANT A NEW STORE IN WESTERN GOOCHLAND.

WE'VE IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS.

WE THINK WOULD BE GREAT BASED OFF OF WHAT OUR MARKET RESEARCH SHOWS.

AND THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE SITES.

OF COURSE, OUR FOLKS TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE COMP PLAN SAYS, AND THEY SAY, OH, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE COMP PLAN RECOMMENDS COMMERCIAL IN THIS AREA.

THIS IS AN AREA WHERE DOLLAR GENERAL WANTS A STORE.

ANYWAY, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD FIT.

AND THAT'S BASICALLY HOW THE RELATIONSHIP WORKS.

SO, UM, I WANT TO ALSO JUST BACK UP FOR A SECOND AND SAY BIG, BIG PICTURE, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO BRING SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO WESTERN GOOCHLAND.

WE KNOW IN FACT, SOMEONE JUST

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UH, WESTERN GOOCHLAND IS REALLY A NEED OF THIS TYPE OF RETAIL STORE, WHERE THERE IS SOME GROCERY, UH, OPPORTUNITY AS WELL AS A VARIETY OF EVERYDAY ITEMS THAT PEOPLE NEED.

AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S AFFORDABLE.

UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY MUCH LOCALLY AND NEIGHBORHOOD CENTRIC IN TERMS OF THEIR OPERATING MODEL.

UH, THAT'S WHY THERE ARE SO MANY STORES WITHIN PRETTY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER, BECAUSE THE IDEA IS DOLLAR GENERAL DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE TO DRIVE LONG DISTANCES TO GET TO, THEY WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, PARTICULARLY IN RURAL AREAS, IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT FOLKS WHO ARE UNLIMITED BUDGETS AND DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON GAS AND MAYBE ARE ELDERLY AND DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE CAR FOR A LONG TIME, UH, CAN REALLY BE BENEFITED BY.

UM, SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DOLLAR GENERAL MODEL AND HOW IT FITS INTO A RURAL AREA SUCH AS WESTERN GOOCHLAND.

UH, ALSO SOMETHING I ALWAYS SAY AT THESE PRESENTATIONS, JUST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT IS THAT, UH, PARTICULARLY IN RURAL AREAS WHERE THERE MAY NOT BE A REAL STRONG COMMERCIAL TAX BASE, THESE STORES PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INCREASING THAT COMMERCIAL TAX BASE.

UH, EACH ONE OF THESE STORES IS AN INVESTMENT OF OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN, UH, IN, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT COSTS AND, AND MATERIALS INTO THE SITE.

UH, WE ALSO RHETT'S IN IS, UH, UH, NOT ONLY DEVELOPER, BUT THEY ACT AS GENERAL CONTRACTOR ON ALL OF THEIR SITES AND THEY PREFER TO HIRE LOCAL CONTRACTORS WHEREVER POSSIBLE.

UH, NUMBER ONE, TO TRY TO KEEP THE, UH, INVESTMENT OF DOLLARS INTO THE LOCAL ECONOMY.

AND TO A LOT OF TIMES, IT'S JUST EASIER TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE LAY OF THE LAND, UM, AND THEY, THEY KNOW THE LOCAL OFFICIALS AND SO FORTH.

UM, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST THE BENEFITS THAT COME FROM THESE STORES TO THE COUNTY, UH, GO INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MORE IN DETAIL.

I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE COMP PLAN AS MS. SHERRY POINTED OUT CLEARLY HAS DEMONSTRATED THIS INTERSECTION FOR COMMERCIAL USE IS SOMETHING THAT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE COUNTY AND BEING THAT THIS PARCEL IS ALREADY ZONED B ONE ON A PORTION OF IT.

UM, IT'S JUST THE NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS TO GO AHEAD AND, AND THE REST OF IT FOR COMMERCIAL USE.

UH, WE ARE HOPING THAT THROUGH WORKING THROUGH THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESS MANAGEMENT, BUT I'M GOING TO GET INTO THAT IN MORE DETAIL IN JUST A SECOND.

I WANTED TO JUST TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS I NOTICED, UM, THAT WEREN'T QUITE RIGHT ABOUT THE STAFF PRESENTATION.

THERE WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS THAT WE PROFFERED.

AND THERE WAS SOME COMMENT ABOUT HOW THE, THE ELEVATIONS WE PROFFERED, UH, THE BUILDING MATERIALS WERE NOT ACCURATELY DESCRIBED ON THERE.

UM, I, NUMBER ONE, I'M, I'M CERTAIN THAT WE DID SEND SOME ELEVATIONS AFTER WE WERE ASKED THAT THAT UPDATED THOSE MATERIALS, BUT NEVERTHELESS, OUR PROFFERED CONDITION.

AND I'M JUST CHECKING TO SEE WHICH NUMBER IT IS.

IT'S NUMBER TWO, UM, HAS A STATEMENT THAT SAYS AT THE CONCERN THAT, THAT THE CASE MANAGER RAY CASH HAD WAS THAT IF WE ENDED UP FLIPPING THE ORIENTATION OF THE STORE, DEPENDING ON WHICH CONCEPT PLAN WE WENT WITH, UM, THAT THAT WOULD CHANGE THE ORIENTATION OF WHICH SIDE OF THE BUILDING WAS FACING A PUBLIC AREA, SUCH AS PUBLIC ROAD OR PARKING AREA.

AND WE HAVE PROFFERED, UH, SIMULTANEOUS SIDING AND SOME, UH, BRICK ON THE SIDES THAT FACED RATHER THAN METAL WE'D WE'D PROFFERED, THE CEMETERY OF SIDING AND THE BRICK ON THE SIDES THAT FACE THE PUBLIC ROAD AND PUBLIC PARKING AREAS.

SO OF COURSE, IF WE END UP GOING WITH A CONCEPT PLAN, ONE OF THE TWO ALTERNATIVES THAT WE'VE PROFFERED THAT WOULD FLIP THE BUILDING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHICHEVER WAY THE BUILDING'S ORIENTED, THAT AS LONG AS IT'S ORIENTED TOWARDS THE ROAD, IT'S GOT TO HAVE AND SEGMENTATION SIGHTING, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS SECOND SENTENCE OF PROPER CONDITION SAYS.

UM, SO I THINK WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT IN THE PROFFER, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE, UM, OF WHAT THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS SAY.

AND ACTUALLY THE SENTENCE SAYS, NOT WITHSTANDING ANY SPECIFICATIONS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT B, UM, THAT THESE ARE THE MATERIALS THAT ARE REQUIRED.

AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR.

UM, THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER, ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO SAY, AND IT'S ESCAPING MY MIND RIGHT NOW, MAYBE

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ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BRING IT UP.

I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT ACCESS MANAGEMENT REAL QUICKLY, AND THEN I'LL JUST, UH, OPEN THE FLOOR TO QUESTIONS.

AND I GUESS WE NEED SOME PUBLIC COMMENT, TOO.

UM, AS FAR AS THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT GOES, MY CLIENT'S BEEN QUITE PROACTIVE ABOUT THIS ACTUALLY, UH, ON EVERY SINGLE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP, UH, FOR DOLLAR GENERAL.

ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DO IS GET THE ENGINEERING FIRM TO CHECK WITH VEDA AND ASK ABOUT WHETHER, IF WE THINK THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE EXCEPTIONS REQUESTED FOR ACCESS MANAGEMENT, WE SEND THEM A PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN, AND SAME WOULD AN ACCESS MANAGEMENT EX UM, EXCEPTION BE APPROVABLE FOR THIS ENTRANCE AS WE'RE PROPOSING IT.

AND WE GET RESPONSES BACK.

AND WHEN WE GET RESPONSES BACK FROM DOT THE TYPICAL RESPONSE THAT STARTS OFF AS THIS WOULD BE APPROVABLE, BUT YOU NEED TO STILL SEND IT THROUGH THE, OUR, UH, OUR EXCEPTION PROCESS IS THE TYPE OF RESPONSE THAT 99% OF THE TIME IN ZEN UNAPPROVED EXCEPTION, UM, THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE RESPONSE WE GOT FROM ROBERT BUTLER AT VIDA.

WHEN WE ASKED HIM WE GOT THE EMAIL FROM HIM, UH, SETH, THE ENGINEER HERE, UH, BROUGHT THAT EMAIL TO THE PRE-APP MEETING FOR THIS CASE BACK IN APRIL AND SHARED IT WITH THE STAFF.

AND AT THAT TIME WE WERE NOT TOLD THAT STAFF WANTED US TO GO THROUGH AND ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS WITH DOT AND GET THAT EXCEPTION.

UH, IT WAS FOR, FOR ALL WE UNDERSTOOD AT THE TIME UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WOULD BE DEALT WITH, THROUGH THE POD PROCESS AND THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS ANY OTHER EXCEPTIONS THAT WE NEED TO GET FROM COUNTY ORDINANCE.

UM, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW THINGS ARE DONE.

THESE TYPES OF SITE DESIGN DETAILS ARE DEALT WITH AT THE POD LEVEL.

I PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU ALL THAT.

UM, SO, SO I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THE STAFF IS TAKING ISSUE WITH THIS AND ASKING THAT THIS BE RESOLVED AT ZONING LEVEL ZONING IS REALLY JUST TO ADDRESS THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND WEATHER.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOUR JOB IS LOOKING AT THE COMP PLAN AND SEEING WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN THE PROPOSED USE.

UM, IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT EVERY SINGLE SITE DESIGN ISSUE WITH ZONING, THERE'D BE NO NEED FOR THE POD PROCESS.

UM, YEAH, THE CASE THAT WAS RIGHT BEFORE US, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT LIGHTING AND THE ANSWER YOU GOT WAS THAT'LL BE DECIDED AT THE POD PROCESS.

SO, UM, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

AND THERE'S NO REASON TO THINK THAT WON'T HAPPEN HERE.

IF WE CAN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO GET THE EXCEPTIONS WE NEED THROUGH THAT POD PROCESS, WE JUST WON'T BE ABLE TO BUILD THE STORE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU APPROVE THESE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONING.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.

UM, AND WITH THAT, I'D RECOMMEND OUR OR ASK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

I KNOW WE'VE PROBABLY GOT A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OUTSIDE OF ZONING? DO YOU FEEL THAT DOLLAR GENERAL DOES HELP WITH, UH, FOOD DESERTS? YEAH.

DOLLAR GENERAL IS PRETTY RESPONSIVE TO WHATEVER MARKET DEMANDS EXISTS IN THEIR LOCATIONS.

SO THE IT'S BEEN INTERESTING TO SEE IN DIFFERENT AREAS, DIFFERENT STORES, CARRYING DIFFERENT PRODUCTS, JUST BASED OFF OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SHOWING THAT THEY NEED.

UM, SO IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GROCERIES THERE, THEY PAY ATTENTION TO THAT MORE.

AND IN FACT, I THINK ALAN COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU A FEW MORE THINGS ABOUT THAT.

HE CAN GIVE YOU MORE OF THE DETAILS ON HOW THEY DEAL WITH THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.

RIGHT? UM, ALAN KAGGLE, PROJECT MANAGER FOR REDS AND COMPANIES, UM, ACTUALLY IN THEIR CENTRAL WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION AND OUT IN NASHVILLE, THEY HAVE A MOCK-UP OF A STORE THAT THEY LAY OUT AND THAT'S HOW THEY ALL THEIR FIXTURES OUT AND ALL THAT, ALL THAT.

BUT BASICALLY THEY DO AN AUDIT OF ALL THEIR SALES, PRETTY MUCH CONTINUOUSLY FOR EVERY SITE.

I'VE GOT A SORE THAT I BUILT.

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE IT'S GOT TWO HOURS OF DOG FOOD.

SO IT'S BASICALLY THEY RESPOND TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE SHOWING A LOT OF DOG FOOD, THEY'RE SHOWN A LOT OF GROCERIES, THEY'RE SELLING A LOT OF AUTOMOTIVE STUFF.

THAT'S WHAT THEY STOCK IN THESE STORES.

PLUS THIS STORE HERE, THIS IS ALMOST IDENTICAL IN SIZE.

THE ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL FAMILIAR WITH ONE AND BUMP US, THAT WAS, WE BUILT A COUPLE OF YEAR, MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

THAT'S THE ONLY ONE OF THESE, THIS SIZE STORE WE'VE, UM, AND IT'S ABOUT 1,015 HUNDRED SQUARE FEET LARGER THAN SAY THE ONE IN LOUISA OR, YOU KNOW, THE ONES YOU HAVE AROUND HERE.

UM, AND THAT IS TO ACCOMMODATE GROCERIES.

NOW, WHETHER THAT'S A ROLLOUT INITIALLY WITH THE, WHEN IT OPENS, BUT THAT'S THEIR PLAN IS THAT THEIR SUPPLY LINES ALLOW THEY'RE GOING TO A, MORE OF A FRESH PRODUCE, FRESH MEAT, FRESH GOT A FRESH FOOD KIND OF MODEL, NOT JUST NOW, EVEN NOW, IF THE OLD PROTOTYPE WAS A LARGE AMOUNT OF FROZEN FOODS, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR

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TO WHAT A GROCERY STORE WOULD HAVE.

SO IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE EVOLVING AND THEY'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.

I THINK THEY'RE FILLING THAT NEED.

THEY'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE PUSHBACK FROM THE CUSTOMERS, WHAT THEY NEED BEING IN THESE LUXURY IN THESE LOCATIONS LIKE THIS, WHERE YOU MAY HAVE TO GO OVER 20 MINUTES TO A GROCERY STORE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN THIS LIKE MONEY.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO SAVE A WHILE, YOU KNOW, TO STOP, WHAT'S GOING TO SALE.

SO IF THERE'S A NEED FOR FOOD HERE, THIS STORE WILL BE A GOOD PORTION OF IT WILL BE DEDICATED TO GROCERY, BUT THANK YOU.

DID THEY ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT NEW TRACKS IN FRONT OF ME? WE DID NOT.

AND I'D LOVE TO HAVE SETH COME UP AND TALK TO YOU.

I KNOW THEY HAVE DONE, UM, THE, THE TURN STUDIES, YOU KNOW, TURNING MOVEMENT STUDIES.

EXCELLENT.

IF I CAN SPEAK TO THAT BEFORE WE EVER BEFORE THIS STORY GETS APPROVED BY DOLLAR GENERAL, BEFORE WE EVER, THAT IS LITERALLY THE FIRST THING WE LOOK AT WHEN WE LAY OUT A SITE, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOES TO DOLLAR GENERAL IS WILL A TRUCK FIT HERE, WILL A TRUCK TURN AROUND HERE.

AND IF IT DOESN'T, IT DIES.

IT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY HAVE, WE HAVE TO WORK.

AND HIS THING HE PROBABLY WORKED THE HARDEST ON AT THE BEGINNING IS TO MAKE A TRUCK TURN AROUND IN THERE.

BUT WHEN WE USE SETH AND SPEAK MORE TO THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT THEY DO, LIKE THE SIZE CRACKER AND EVERYTHING, BUT YET THE TRUCK WOULD TURN AROUND.

AS I MENTIONED, MY NAME IS SETH EMERSON WITH SUMMIT ENGINEERING.

UM, SO YEAH, AS ALAN MENTIONED, BEFORE WE START ANY SITE, UM, WE LAY OUT THE SITE, THE INSURANCE, AND WE RUN TRUCK MOVEMENTS WITH IT'S CALLED A WB 67 INTERSTATE TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCK, WHICH IS YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH LARGEST TRUCK ON THE ROAD.

UM, SO DOLLAR GENERAL REQUIRES THAT TRUCK TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND GET OUT.

AND THE WAY THEY DO THAT IS NOT SHOWN HERE.

I ACTUALLY HAVE A WHOLE EXHIBIT ON IT THAT IT'S JUST NOT IN THE APPLICATION.

THEY GO AND TURN RIGHT INTO THAT FIRST DRIVE WHILE I'M AT THE INSURANCE.

AND THEN THEY BACK UP AND THEY DO THAT.

WE JUST SHOW THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH IT.

SO THERE'S NO REAL CONCERNS WHEN YOU HAVE FIRE TRUCKS.

UM, THE FIRETRUCK IS MUCH SMALLER AND HAS A BETTER TURNING RADIUS THAN THE INTERSTATE TRUCK.

AND THEN, UH, YOU MENTIONED, UM, TAPERS ALSO.

SO AS SHOWN, THERE ARE TAPERS THAT HELPS WITH THE TRUCK A LOT.

IT ALSO HELPS WITH CARS GETTING OFF THE ROAD.

IT KINDA, IT ACTS TO ALLOW SOME CARS TO GET OFF THE ROAD PRIOR TO MAKING THE FULL TURN AND NO 90 DEGREE TURN.

UM, AND THEN I THINK THE, ANOTHER STAFF CONCERN WAS THE, UM, FIRE EXCESS YOU'RE REQUIRED BY THE STATE AND THE GOOCHLAND CODE TO HAVE 150 FOOT HOSE REACH.

SO ESSENTIALLY THAT IS MET.

THIS IS A LARGER STORE THAN THE ONES WE USED TO DO, BUT IT STILL MET WITH THIS ONE.

SO THE FIRETRUCK HAS HOSE RATES AT ALL AREAS IN THE PARKING LOT TO GET 150 FOOT AROUND THE STORE, UM, AND MENTIONED THE ACCESS ISSUES, UM, THE TAPER AND STUFF.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF WORKED OUT IN THE POD PROCESS WITH V DOT V DOT WILL SOMETIMES REQUIRE MORE OF A TAPER.

AND FOR THE AME EXCEPTION, SOMETIMES THEY'LL LOOK, THEY'LL LOOK INTO THE LEFT TURN LANE.

SOME OF THE AME EXCEPTION PROCESS INVOLVES A TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT THE RIGHT TURNING MOVEMENTS WILL NOT AFFECT, UM, THE TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT ROBERT WOULD BE LOOKING AT AS PART OF HIS FULL POD REVIEW.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

UM, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU AND HOW WE DO OUR PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND HOW WE DEAL WITH CONCEPTUAL PLANS AT THE ZONING LEVEL.

UM, MR. HUTCHINSON WAS ACTUALLY THE, UM, REPRESENTATIVE FOR YELLOWSTONE AND YOU ALL SAW, UH, THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT THAT APPLICATION CAME IN WITH THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

AND THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT WE LOOKED AT, UM, WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR THE SUBDIVISION PLAT, SO THAT WE TAKE SAFETY AND THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS.

SURE.

THERE'S UM, POSSIBLE DEVIATION HERE AND THERE, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING IN THE COUNTY THAT WE DO TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY.

AND AS PART OF THE REZONING PROCESS, UM, THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE STANDARD THAT YOU ALL USUALLY ADHERE TO WOULD, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY.

I'M JUST TRYING TO CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE TO BE DOWN AND WE'LL HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THAT.

WELL, THEY'RE NOT, UM, SO A TRAFFIC STUDY WASN'T DONE.

SO YEAH, AS I SAID, THEY ARE PART OF THE POD, UM, REVIEW, UM, AS YOU KNOW, FROM OTHER CASES AS WELL, VIETNAM HAS CERTAIN STANDARDS UPON WHICH THEY REQUIRE CERTAIN THINGS.

UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IF THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT IF SAFETY, UM, PLAYED INTO US, THAT WAS JUST KIND OF A QUESTION THAT WE HAD.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT COULD NOT BE OVERCOME, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S ADDITIONAL CONCERNS ABOUT PERHAPS THE TAPE MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE, PERHAPS WHERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING MORE NEEDED.

AND, UH, MS. HUNTER, I WANTED TO MEET ALSO POINT THIS OUT.

UH, YOU SEE THE ENTRANCE THAT'S ON THE FAR WEST SIDE THAT I THINK SHOWS RIGHT AROUND 400 AND SOME PLUS, UM, FEET FROM THE, UM, INTERSECTION, THE, OUR STANDARDS ARE SIX 60 AT, UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO IT IS, YEAH.

SO IT IS LESS, UM, CONSIDERABLY LESS.

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AND THAT'S JUST A CONCERN THAT I THINK THAT IT AS MOVING FORWARD, UM, YOU KNOW, HE SAID THAT HIS DONE THINGS THAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF AT THAT PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT LEVEL, IF THEY'RE MINOR, THIS SEEMS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCERNING ADDRESS THAT, UM, AS CARRIE, JUST CURIOUS, HANG ON, HANG ON.

I'M SORRY.

W W UH, WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC LIGHT TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON, ON THIS.

ANYONE WISHING TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, NO ONE WISHING TO COME FORWARD WITH CLOSED PUBLIC.

HERE ARE YOU OUTCOME? OKAY.

MY NAME IS CHARLES PURPOSE.

I LIVE AT 2356 HAYDENVILLE FIVE ROAD PART OF MY PROPERTY BORDERS, THE PROPERTY BEING PROPOSED FOR REZONING.

UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY OPPOSE REZONING.

I DO, UH, OPPOSE THE PROPOSED USE AT THIS TIME FOR A PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY.

I DO QUESTION THE NEED FOR A DOLLAR GENERAL AT THAT LOCATION.

UM, WE ALREADY HAVE TWO CONVENIENCE STORES THERE THAT SELL FOOD, ALCOHOL CIGARETTES.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, UH, AUTO PARTS STORE ACROSS.

SO THERE'D BE, THIS WOULD BE A CORPORATION COMPANY COMPETING WITH FREE LOCAL BUSINESSES, LOCALLY OWNED BUSINESSES THERE.

UM, THE QUESTION OF A FOOD DESERT HAS BEEN RAISED, UH, TECHNICALLY THAT SITE IS WITHIN 10 MILES OF THE FOOD LINE ON ST UH, SANDY HOOK OR FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, EXCUSE ME.

UM, SO IT DOES NOT MEET THE TECHNICAL DEFINITION OF A FOOD DESERT IN A RURAL COMMUNITY.

AND BY DEFINITION, HALF OF THE PEOPLE WHO'D BE SERVED BY THAT ARE EVEN CLOSER THAN THE NINE MILES.

AND IT IS THAT FOOD LION.

UM, WE'VE ALREADY, EXHAUSTEDLY TALKED ABOUT THE, A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.

THERE IS A LARGE STORE.

UM, A LOT OF CARS WILL BE GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE MAKING IT A MUCH MORE DANGEROUS INTERSECTION THAT ALREADY IS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN EXAMPLES OF OTHER DOLLAR GENERALS AROUND RURAL AREAS FROM MY HOMETOWN, AS WELL AS, UH, COUNTIES AROUND HERE.

UM, THEIR PARKING LOTS BECOME GATHERING.

PLACES, CONCERNS ME WITH CRIME AND OTHER TYPES OF THINGS GOING ON IN THOSE PARKING LOTS.

UM, SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AT THIS TIME.

UM, AND IN REALITY, PEOPLE JUST DON'T LIVE IN OR MOVE TO WESTERN GOOCHLAND, UM, TO BE NEAR A CORPORATE DISCOUNT RETAIL STORE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT.

THERE'S THAT'S FOR THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY THAT SHIP'S ALREADY SAILED, BUT, UH, FOR THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, THAT'S NOT WHY I MOVED THERE.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S WHY PEOPLE LIVE THERE AND HAVE LIVED THERE FOR YEARS.

SO THAT'S MY OPINION.

I DO OPPOSE THE PROPOSED USE AT THIS TIME.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I'D BE GLAD TO TAKE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO COME FORWARD? WE ASKED YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN, UM, MY NAME IS ALVIN PATEL AND ADDRESS IS 52 60 RIVER WEST.

I OWN THE CITGO GAS STATION RIGHT NEXT TO THAT.

UH, AND I BELIEVE IT LIKE THE DOLLAR STORE IS LIKE ONLY 10 MINUTES FROM ME EVERY DAY, THE EXCELLENCE, I MEAN, THAT OPENS UP.

SO I'M GOING TO DEFINITELY GOING TO BE HEARD A SMALL BUSINESS LIKE US.

AND, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S NOT ENOUGH POPULATION IN THE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT LIKE ALL BUSINESSES.

SO IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO SURVIVE AND THEN IF THIS COMES IN GOING TO BE HURTING US MORE.

UH, SIDING AND SO FORTH, UH, AND THE PARKING, UH, AND THE ACCESS IN AND OUT, UH, IF, IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE'S GOING TO WORK, UH, I THINK EITHER GOT THE WRONG SITE OR THEY NEED TO GO BACK AND REALLY THINK ABOUT IT AND SEE HOW IT WOULD, UH, THEY COULD ACTUALLY GET THIS THING TO WORK.

PUBLIC HEARING OBJECTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, UH, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS WHEN WE GET PROJECTS IN HERE LIKE THIS, AND WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.

UM, THEY GOT TWO PLANS AND OUR CLIENTS ARE THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.

AND WHEN THEY ASK US, WELL, WHY IS THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS GOING TO BE WHERE'S THE TURN LANES? UH, WHAT'S IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? UH, WE CAN'T REALLY ANSWER THAT.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE PLAN UP HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, ALL FOUR SIDES ARE VISIBLE EITHER FROM THE PARKING LOT OR A SURROUNDING ROAD.

SO AS THE FINISHES AND THE,

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UM, UH, AND SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT, UH, IF IT'S AGREEABLE WITH THE APPLICANT THAT MAYBE WE POSTPONE THIS FOR TWO MONTHS OR SO, AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO GET THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW.

SO WHEN SOMEBODY TO ASK US, WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE AND WHAT'S IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? WE KNOW WHAT TO TELL.

I JUST MIND MY FEELING.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S READY FOR PRIME TIME YET.

I AGREE WITH TOM WITH RESPECT TO, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN, EVERYONE'S SCREEN.

NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 460 FEET AND THE COUNTY 1, 6 60.

SO THE OTHER, UH, APPLICATION OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER RENDERING AND, UH, TO AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE TO BE SETTLED IN THE PLANET DEVELOPMENT PHASE, BUT IF WE'RE NOT EVEN THERE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO US, EVEN AT A HIGH LEVEL IS NOT FITTING IN THE, UH, IN THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENTS.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP THIS, JUST THIS PLAT ALSO FRONTS, HAYDEN, BILL HAYDENVILLE FIRE ROAD.

AND, UM, NO ONE EVER MENTIONED WHY THE MAIN INFLUENCE WAS IT FROM EIGHT UNTIL FIVE.

WE ANSWERED THAT IF YOU DON'T ANSWER THAT, I MEAN THAT BLAND'S NOT FOR SALE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE , IT'S CONFUSING.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY APPROVING.

UM, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, WE, WE APPROVE IT, BUT WHEN WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHETHER IT'S VIETA, WHETHER SPEED, UM, WHICH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT IT IS, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? WE MOVED THEM TO DEFER.

IS THAT OKAY? I MOVED TO, WE REFER, WE DEFER IT FOR TWO, TWO MONTHS.

AND RACHEL HALL REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT ON 20 POINT 34 ACRES AT 2272 YOUNGSTOWN ROAD ON TAX MAP, 27 15 0 6 0.

I'LL SECOND.

THEN DEFER IT FOR TWO MONTHS.

WOULD THAT BE THE DECEMBER 2ND MEETING? YES.

YEAH, WE HAVE A MOTION.

AND SECOND, CAN I JUST NOTE MY OBJECTION TO ANY DEFERRAL? THANK YOU ALL IN FAVOR OF DEFERMENT UNTIL DECEMBER I CALLED THE POST.

OUR NEXT ITEM IS IN DISTRICT ONE, CU 20 21 0 0 0 0 9.

APPLICATION BY JEFFREY

[3. District 1 - CU-2021-00009 - Application by Jeffrey and Rachel Hall requesting a Conditional Use Permit for a detached accessory family housing unit on 20.34 acres at 2272 Youngstown Road on Tax Map 27-15-0-6-0. The property is zoned Agricultural, General (A-1). The Conditional Use Permit is required by County Zoning Ordinance Section 15-102, in accordance with Section 15-285.A. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Rural Enhancement.Comment]

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL AWAN.

THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15 1 0 2 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15, 2 85, A THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT.

THANK YOU, MS. PARKER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, JAMIE SHERRY, AS MS. PARKER SAID, THIS IS FOR A, AN ACCESSORY HOUSING FAMILY HOUSING UNIT IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.

UH, JUST SOUTH OF, UM, RIVER ROAD WEST ON YOUNGSTOWN ROAD.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL AS IS ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA AS IT DOES ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE 2017 ARIEL, UM, IT WAS AT THAT POINT, UNDEVELOPED, THE APPLICANT HAS BUILT A HOME, UM, THAT WAS COMPLETED IN 2019 ON THE PROPERTY.

HERE IS THE SITE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED WITH THIS APPLICATION.

UH, THE EXISTING HOUSE IS, UM, MARKED RIGHT HERE WHERE I HAVE MY POINTER AND THE ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT IS LOCATED, UM, UH, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.

UH, THE, UH, THE PROPOSED BUILDING WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY

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80 FEET FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE, AND IT WOULD ACCESS THE PROPERTY, UM, THROUGH THE SAME DRIVEWAY AS THE HOME, THERE WAS COMMUNITY MEETING HELD BACK IN AUGUST, TWO CITIZENS WERE PRESIDENT PRESENT AND THEY SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST.

UH, IF YOU CHOOSE TO, UM, UH, APPROVE THIS, UH, RECOMMEND, APPROVE THIS AS PROPOSED, UH, THESE ARE THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

NUMBER ONE, THE USE WOULD BE FOR A DETACHED FAMILY HOUSING UNIT.

UH, NUMBER TWO WOULD NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LOCATION SHOWN ON THE, UH, EXHIBIT A, THE SITE PLAN.

UH, THEY WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO RENT, UH, TO HAVE RESIDENTS WHO ARE PART OF THEIR FAMILY, LIVING IN THE HOUSING UNIT, AND THIS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE RENTED AND WOULD BE NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER FIVE, SMOKE DETECTOR AND CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTORS WOULD NEED TO BE WORKING, UH, AND MAINTAINED ON THE PROPERTY ACCESS WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, PROVIDED SO THAT, UH, FIRE RESCUE AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE UNIT.

UM, THIS IS A FIVE YEAR, UM, EXPIRATION ON THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND LASTLY, THE STANDARD TRANSFER OR AN OWNERSHIP CONDITION, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

QUESTION NO QUESTION.

I'M FORWARD AND GIVE A PRESENTATION.

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ATHLETES NOW OPEN AND FULL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF HELLO? ONCE AGAIN, LISA, DEAR NET 33 30 CEDAR PLAINS ROAD.

I'VE KNOWN, UM, MR. HALL FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS AND HIS WIFE, RACHEL, FOR OVER 15 YEARS, THEY'RE OUTSTANDING COUNTY CITIZENS.

THIS IS FOR THE MOM AND THE MOM MOM IN LAW.

THEY HAVE TWO LITTLE CHILDREN AND THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR MOM IN LAW AND MOM IN LAW, IN THE HOUSE WITH THE LITTLE KIDS, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UM, SO IT'D BE A GREAT THING FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE.

THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THEM TO STAY IN WESTERN GOOCHLAND.

WE ALL KNOW THAT.

SO, AND IT'S REALLY, IT'S THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS AND NOBODY CAN SEE ANYTHING THAT'S.

SO, AND THEY'RE WANTING, THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON RENTING IT OUT TO ANYBODY.

I WOULD VOTE IN FAVOR IF YOU COULD.

THANKS.

APPLICATION BY STRICKLAND MFG, LLC, REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FROM METAL PRODUCTS, ASSEMBLY, CUTTING AND FABRICATION, AND FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE ON 4.03 ACRES AT 10 90 MERCHANTS LANE ON TAX MAP, 45 5 0 1 0.

ANYONE ELSE? WISHING TO UNBORN SPEAK PUBLIC HEARING PORTION, GENTLEMEN, PRE SECOND.

WAIT, I HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR.

ALL OPPOSED.

YEAH, I JUST HAVE OUR NEXT ITEM.

TONIGHT IS IN DISTRICT FOUR.

SEE YOU 20 21 0 0 0 10

[4. District 4 - CU-2021-00010 - Application by Strickland Mfg, LLC requesting a Conditional Use Permit for metal products assembly, cutting, and fabrication, and for outside storage on 4.03 acres at 1090 Merchants Lane on Tax Map No. 45-5-0-1-0. The property is zoned Industrial, Limited (M-1). The Conditional Use Permit is required by County Zoning Ordinance Section 15-262. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Industrial.Comment]

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL LIMITED, AND ONE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15 TO 62.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS INDUSTRIAL.

THANK YOU, MS. PARKER REMEMBERS THE COMMISSION, TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER HAS MS. PARK INDICATED THIS IS A CONDITION CONDITIONS PERMIT FOR TWO USES IT'S FOR METAL PRODUCTS, ASSEMBLY CUTTING AND FABRICATION, AND FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE.

THIS IS LOCATED IN THE OIL VILLAGE.

UM, LOOKING AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

IT IS A ZONE INDUSTRIALLY, AND THERE ARE OTHER INDUSTRIAL ZONE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE, UH, TO THE EAST, SOUTH AND WEST.

AND THERE'S SOME AGRICULTURAL ZONING TO THE NORTH BUTTING INTO THE NORTH AND LOOKING AT THE COMPETENCY PLAN RECOMMENDATION SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND MOST OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALSO RECOMMENDED FOR AN INDUSTRIAL USE, LOOKING AT THEIR PHOTO.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE AND I'LL DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXISTING SITE IS UNDEVELOPED PRIMARILY, UH, UH, STANDARD MATURE TREES.

LOOK AT THE ERA PHOTO ON THE STRICTER MANUFACTURING OPERATES, UM, WITHIN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK.

UM, AND LOOK AT IT.

YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THE, THE TYPE OF OUTDOOR STORAGE THAT THEY HAVE, AND THEY'VE INDICATED THEIR INITIAL USE OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS AND TO CONTINUE THAT TYPE OR EXPAND THAT TYPE OF OUTDOOR STORAGE, UM, ONTO THIS PROPERTY.

I SAID, THIS IS A FORK APARTMENT PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN GHOUTA AND INDUSTRIAL PARK.

UH, THEY DESPERATE PARK WAS ZONED IN ONE IN 1981 AND INCLUDES SIX LOTS OF RANGE AND SOUTH FOR ABOUT FOUR TO SIX AND A HALF ACRES.

UH, THE APPLICANT DID OBTAIN APPROVAL FOR A COMPARABLE

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CUP IN 2013, UH, THAT IT INDICATED THE LOCATION HAD INDICATED ON THE ARROW PHOTO.

UH, AND THAT WAS FOR SIMILARLY THE STAGE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME USES.

AND THAT WAS TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE A FACILITY TO MANUFACTURE TECH ATTACHMENTS FOR EXCAVATORS AND SIMILAR TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AND ROBOT OUTSIDE STORAGE.

UM, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THEY ARE REQUESTING THOSE TWO USES.

UH, THE APPLICANT DID INDICATE THAT THE INITIAL USE WOULD BE LIMITED TO OUTSOURCE STORAGE FOR THE, UH, EXCAVATOR ATTACHMENTS.

AND, UH, IT WAS SUPPORT THEIR EXISTING OPERATIONS ARE HALLMARKS IT'S LANE.

UH, LONG-TERM PLANS WOULD BE TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, OR A LITTLE MORE, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

UM, WITH THE REZONING IN 1981, THERE ARE SEVERAL PROFFERS THAT WERE PROVED THAT WOULD APPLY TO THIS SITE AND WOULD, UH, REGULATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.

AND THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE A KEY ONE WOULD BE THE REQUIREMENT FOR A 60 FOOT BUFFER, UH, THAT THAT'S TWO PARTS THAT WILL REQUIRE A 50 FOOT NATURAL WOODED STRIP TO BE LEFT INTACT.

AND ADDITIONALLY, IT REQUIRES A 10 FOOT STRIP TO BE PLANTED WITH EVERGREENS.

UM, THAT WOULD, UM, IT'S FOR THE PERIMETER OF THE DESPERATE PARKS THAT WOULD IMPACT THE NORTHERN AND WESTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.

AND THOSE SHOW UP ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN.

UM, IT ALSO LIMITS BUILDING HEIGHTS TO 35 FEET AND IT REQUIRES ALL UTILITIES TO BE STALLED INSTALLED IN THE GROUND AND LOOKING AT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, THAT THEY PROVIDED, UH, PROVIDED JUST SOME COLOR HIGHLIGHTS, UM, SORT OF THE, THE YELLOW AREA WOULD REFLECT, UM, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA.

UM, THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY IF NOT TOTALLY CLEARED, UH, GRAVEL, UH, AND BLUE, UH, WOULD BE THE PROPOSED BUILDING THAT THEY WOULD, UH, WOULD LIKE TO BUILD IN THE FUTURE.

UM, BUT THEY DID SHOW HIM EXCEPTIONAL PLAN AND SORT OF, UH, UH, GOING AROUND THE PERIMETER TO THE SITE.

YOU DO SEE THE, UH, THE BUFFER THAT HAS SHOWN AND MENTIONED EARLIER.

THAT'S A 60 FOOT BUFFER, INCLUDES A 50 FOOT SORT OF TREE SAVE AREA, AND THEN A 10 FOOT AREA THAT WOULD BE PLANTED WITH PONDS.

THERE WAS COMMUNITY MEETING HELD IN AUGUST AND CITIZENS ATTENDED THAT MEETING.

UH, THE CONDITIONS, UM, THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO THE COMMISSION.

THE FIRST CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE MEDICAL PRODUCTS, ASSEMBLY AND OUTDOOR STORAGE USES ON THE SITE.

UH, THE SECOND ONE WOULD REQUIRE THE PLANET DEVELOPMENT.

THE THIRD WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO ADHERE TO THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER THE FOURTH AND WOULD PROHIBIT, UM, ANY, UH, ANY OF THE OUTDOOR STORAGE FROM TAKING PLACE IN THE PARKING THAT THEY SHOWED IN THEIR EXCEPTIONAL PLAN.

UH, THE FIFTH ONE WOULD REQUIRE LIGHTING PLAN IF THEY HAVE ANY OUTDOOR LIGHTING.

UM, THE SIXTH ONE WOULD REQUIRE THE SCREENING, UM, WHICH IS REGULATED BY THE BUFFER.

UM, THE EXPIRATION DATE IS PROPOSED FOR NOVEMBER, 2026.

THE LAST CONDITION WOULD BE OUR STANDARD CONDITION, UH, ADJUSTING THE POTENTIAL TRANSFER AT LEAST TO THE PROPERTY AND THAT GUN PLATES MY PRESENTATION.

NO THANK YOU.

APPLICANT HERE.

WISH TO GO FORWARD MY QUESTION.

YOU, YOU WANT TO HAVE A PRESENTATION OR YOU'RE GOOD.

UM, SO WE WILL NEED YOU ALL, IF YOU DECIDE TO WAIVE THE DEADLINE OF THE SUBMITTAL OF THE REVISED PROFFERS, UM, WITH A MOTION AND A VOTE, UM, YUP.

WE NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF THIS CASE.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS SEEING NO ONE WOULD COME CLOSE THE PUBLIC CITIZEN, PUBLIC HEARING SECTION GENTLEMEN, I MOVED IT.

WE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION AND PROPERLY.

SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR.

ALL OPPOSED.

I SAID, UH, YOU WILL NOTICE ON THE DIAS FOR THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS IN DISTRICT FOUR R Z 20 21 0 0 0 0 7.

UH, WE DID RECEIVE REVISED PROFFERS.

[5. District 4 - RZ-2021-00007 - Application by John R. Caskey requesting a rezoning of 13.35 acres from Agricultural, Limited (A-2) to Industrial, General (M-2), with proffered conditions, located on the northside of Pothole Road approximately 325 feet from the intersection of Valpark Drive and Pothole Road on Tax Map No. 45-1-0-113-B. The Comprehensive plan designates this area as Rural Enhancement.Comment]

APPLICATION BY JOHN R CASKEY REQUESTING A REZONING OF 13 POINT 35 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURE LIMITED A TO, TO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL, M TWO WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF POTHOLE ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 325 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION OF BALL-PARK DRIVE AND POTHOLE ROAD ON TAX MAP 45 1 0 1 13 B THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT.

THANK YOU, MS. BARK AGAIN, TOM CORNER, PENCIL PLANNER, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION TO REZONE 13 ACRES FROM AN AGRICULTURAL ZONING.

AGAIN, THIS IS LOCATED IN OLD MILL AND CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE CASE.

THE SAW EARLIER, UH, THE

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SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURALLY AND THERE ARE OTHER AGGRAVATED AGRICULTURALLY ZONED PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH AND THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST, OR HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS RECOMMENDED FOR ROLE ENHANCEMENT AND THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, UM, THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST SHARE THAT DESIGNATIONS PROPERTIES TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH, UM, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR INDUSTRIAL USE, UM, LOOKING AT THE ARROW PHOTO, UM, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THAT THERE'S A VARIETY OF, OF DIFFERENT USES IN THIS AREA, INCLUDING INDUSTRIAL USES, WHICH ARE PRIMARILY TO THE WEST AND RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH ARE TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH AND, UH, TO THE EAST.

AND, UM, I'LL COME BACK TO THIS ERA PHOTO, UM, UH, AND TO DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A FUTURE SLIDE, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF BRACKET, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS APPLICATION.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS A SITE DEVELOPMENT FROM JR CASK INCORPORATED THAT IS HEADQUARTERED AND OPERATES A CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT STORAGE YARD ON AN ADJACENT PARCEL, UM, ON VALPAK DRIVE.

UH, THEIR EXISTING OPERATION INCLUDES A ONE STORY ABOUT 8,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE WAREHOUSE USE AND A ON A GRAVEL AREA, PAVED AREA EQUIPMENT STORAGE, AND THAT SITE DOES HAVE ACCESS TO VALPAK DRIVE.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS UTILIZING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR EQUIPMENT STORAGE.

HOWEVER, THERE IS NO ENFORCEMENT ACTION PENDING AT THIS TIME, BUT APPROVAL OF THE ZONING APPLICATION IS REQUIRED FOR THE CONTINUED USE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT STORAGE.

NOW WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO EXPAND THEIR OPERATIONS ON UNDER THE SUBJECT PARCEL.

UM, THE INITIAL USE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE LIMITED TO OUTDOOR STORAGE OF THE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES.

UM, AND, AND AGAIN, THEY DID SHOW A BUILDING ON ACCEPTABLE PLAN, UM, THAT MAY BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE FUTURE TO PROVIDE FOR SOME, UH, WEATHER PROTECTED STORAGE.

UH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CLEAR MUCH OF THE SITE, UM, TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, BUT HAS COMMITTED TO RETAINING A 40 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST BOUNDARIES.

UM, ACCESS TO THIS SITE WOULD BE PROVIDED THROUGH THEIR EXISTING OPERATIONS ON VALPAK DRIVE.

SO THEY WOULD NOT BE CREATING ANY NEW ACCESSES HERE.

UM, AND THEY'RE JUST DOING OPERATIONS WOULD CONTINUE, UM, LOOKING AT A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APP.

IT IS AN EXHIBIT ONLY, IT WAS NOT PROFFERED.

UM, BUT I DO THINK IT DOES A FAIRLY GOOD JOB OF SHOWING, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO, UM, DIRECT INTO YOUR ATTENTION, UH, TO THE SCREEN, SORT OF SEE THEIR EXISTING OPERATION HERE AND THEIR ACCESS ON DEVELOP PARK DRIVE, WHICH IS ALSO REFLECTED ON ACCEPTABLE PLAN, UH, THIS, UM, G POWER EASEMENT, WHICH RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY AS A PREDOMINANT FEATURE, IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET WIDE, AND IT REALLY DOES IMPACT ANY SITE DESIGN AND WOULD IMPACT ANY ACCESS TO POT-HOLE ROAD.

AND THEY'RE NOT SHOWING ANY ACCESS TO POT POTHOLE ROAD.

UM, ALSO SHOWN ON HERE IS THE, THE STORAGE AREA.

AND THIS IS WHERE INDICATED EARLIER, SOME STORAGE IS ALREADY TAKING PLACE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THEIR ACCESS FROM THIS PROPOSED STORAGE AREA WOULD GO THROUGH THEIR EXISTING SITE DEVELOP PARK DRIVE.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, THEY'VE SHOWN ON ACCEPTS A PLAN, A 40 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THEIR SITE.

JUST A LITTLE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, JUST SHOWING THE CLOSEST, UM, DWELLINGS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THEIR RESIDENTIAL USES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY OF HIGHLIGHTED ONE OF THOSE IN BLUE, THE CLOSEST HOUSE, UH, THE APPLICANT, THEY ACTUALLY OWN THAT PROPERTY.

IT'S THE REASON I SHARED IT IN BLUE.

SO THAT'S ABOUT 120 FEET AWAY, BUT THEY DO OWN THAT.

AND THE OTHER HOUSES, UM, ARE ARRANGED.

THE CLOSEST HOUSES ARE ABOUT A HUNDRED SIXTY EIGHT HUNDRED NINETY FEET AWAY.

UM, BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO USES THAT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS PARCEL.

UM, THE, JUST THE REMAINING STAFF DOES HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE APPLICATION.

AND JUST IN SUMMARY, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSENT WITH, WITH CONSISTENT WITH CONFERENCE PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THE RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.

UM, WHILE THEY DID PROVIDE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THEY DID NOT PROPERLY, IT WAS JUST PROVIDED FOR INFORMATION ONLY.

UM, THERE IS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE BUFFERS THEY DID, UH, COMMIT TO PROVIDING A 40 FOOT BUFFER AND LOOKING AT THE SITE, YOU CAN, IT'S ODD.

IT'S CLEARLY A LOT OF MATURE TREES ON THE SITE, BUT, UH, I THINK STAFF'S CONCERN IS AS THE CLEARING OCCURS AND THEY WERE TO, TO GET WITHIN 40 FEET, YOU KNOW, ANY PARTICULAR LOCATION, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD BE WITHIN THAT 40 FOOT BUFFER.

IT COULD BE A MATURE TRANS TO A MATURE, A DENSE AREA, OR IT COULD BE CLEAR, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW, AND WE THINK THE APPLICATION COULD BE IMPROVED.

THERE WERE, IF THERE WAS SOME COMMITMENT TO ENSURING, ESPECIALLY IN CONSIDERATION THAT THOSE ARE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES OF ENSURING THAT THERE'S A REALLY A DENSE

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BUFFER WITHIN THAT 40 FEET AROUND THE PERIMETER.

UM, AND THEN JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ACCESS TO PATO ROAD, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO, UM, TO LIMIT THAT OR RESTRICT THAT, UM, BECAUSE POTHOLE ROAD IS A SORT OF A PRIVATE ROAD AND IT'S AN IMPORT CONDITION.

UH, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT SOME PROFFERS, UM, AND AS MS PARKIN INDICATED THEY DID SUBMIT SOME THAT PREPPERS SUBMITTED AFTER THE DEADLINE.

SO THE COMMITTEE, UM, UM, UH, WOULD NEED TO WAIVE THE TIME LIMIT ON THOSE.

THESE PROPHETS DID SUBMIT THEY DID ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS.

UM, THE STAFF HAD, SO THAT DEFINITELY MOVED THE, THE CASE A LITTLE BETTER DIRECTION.

UH, BUT JUST THE, FOR THE FIRST ONE, UM, IS THE PROFFER THAT WOULD REQUIRE, REQUIRE THAT 40 FOOT NATURAL BUFFER.

AND, UM, YOU'D HAD, EXCEPT FOR REALLY, THEY'RE JUST AN ACCESS WHERE THE DOMINION, VIRGINIA POWER EASEMENT IS.

UM, THEY DID HAVE A CLAUSE ON THERE THAT IF THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD, THEY COULD EITHER HAVE A DENSE BUFFER OR THE THREE ROWS OF EVERGREENS AROUND POTHOLE ROAD, UM, SORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE.

UM, THEY DID ADD THAT ALL TREES WOULD BE PRESERVED IN THE NATURAL BUFFER EXCEPT FOR DEAD OR DISEASE TREES AND ANY WOULD BE REPLACED.

THAT'S A POSITIVE, UM, ADDITION TO THE CASE OF THE SECOND, WE REQUIRE ALL WELLS TO BE DRILLED.

AND THEN WITH THE THIRD PROFFER, THEY DID RESTRICT SOME USES ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

WE'D HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, I NOTICED THAT THESE BUFFERS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE BUFFERS IN THE PREVIOUS CASE.

UM, OR THEY HAD A 60 FOOT BUFFER AND A PA WITH 50 FEET AND NATURAL AND 10 FEET OF EVERGREENS PLANT.

I WAS ON YEAH.

WITH THE, WITH THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.

UM, WHEN THAT CASE WAS REZONED IN 1981, THERE WERE PROPHET THE PROFFER THAT WITH THAT CASE.

UM, AND SO WITH THE USE PERMIT COMING IN 40 YEARS LATER, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ADHERING TO THOSE PROFFERS.

I THINK WITH THIS CASE RIGHT HERE, IT'S 20, 21, THEY'RE ESTABLISHING THAT ZONING CASE.

UM, THEY'RE NOT COMMITTING TO 60 FOOT BUFFER.

THEY'RE COMMITTING TO A 40 FOOT BUFFER AND NO EXTRA PLAN.

CORRECT? NO ADDITIONAL SCHOOL IS LOCATED IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, THIS PROPERTY.

IT ABUTS THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, BUT IT'S NOT WITHIN THE DESERT BECAUSE I WAS QUESTIONING WHY I WOULD STILL HAVE HELPED THE ZONING.

I MEAN, ALL THE EIGHT OR THE EIGHT TO ZONING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE.

AFRICAN HERE AND HAVE A PRESENTATION.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

HI, I'M GINGER JR.

CASCADE THE APPLICANT.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN JUST PULL UP THAT AREA LEAVE? WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN? GINGER CASKEY, 39, 10 RIVER ROAD WEST GOOCHLAND.

THAT'S GOOD RIGHT THERE.

UM, I WILL JUST MAKE A NOTE THAT THIS WHOLE REZONING PLAN CAME TO FRUITION DUE TO A COMPLAINT.

SOMEONE MADE THAT WE WERE STORING THOSE PRODUCTS ON OUR SITE, WHICH ARE NOT VISIBLE TO THE ROAD.

SO THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE REZONING.

UM, WE HAVE NO REAL INTENTION OR BURNING DESIRE TO BUILD, UM, THAT FRONT THAT YOU SEE THERE, THE FORWARD PART, UM, THIS SIDE OF THE DOMINION EASEMENT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO PLAN TO BUILD.

WE HAVE NO PLAN TO CLEAR THAT PROPERTY.

SO WE'RE SAYING IT WOULD MAKE, WE WOULD MAINTAIN A MINIMUM BUFFER, BUT YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE MAINTAINING THE 300 FOOT BUFFER.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD TO PUT, WE PUT IN MORE THAN THE MINIMUM THINKING WE WERE JUST GIVING OURSELVES SOME LEEWAY THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DEVELOPERS BY ANY MEANS.

SO WE ARE RECEPTIVE TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, BUT WE THOUGHT WE WERE COMPLYING WITH WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS ACCEPTABLE IN THAT AREA.

ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE BUD POTHOLE ROAD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SCREENING PATIL ROAD FROM US.

SO IF DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

NO, THANK YOU.

GENTLEMEN.

SAY, LOOK HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK IT'S A PRETTY, PRETTY SIMPLE APPLICATION.

AND WHEN YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, KAREN, ANYONE WISHING TO COME FORWARD SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE DO SIR.

PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS CASE,

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ALRIGHT, SO I GOT IT.

IT'S BEEN MOTIONED AND PROPERLY SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.

ALL OPPOSED.

AYES HAVE IT.

WE ALSO NEED, UM, YEAH, WE NEED A VOTE ON THE BLACK LINE TO WAIVE THE TIME LIMITS.

WHAT IS THE TIME LIMIT EXACTLY? UH, APPLE.

YES, IT WAS SUBMITTED AFTER THE DOCTOR TO THE TUESDAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THAT MEANS FIRST SECOND.

DID YOU MAKE THE PHONE CALL? I DIDN'T KNOW.

I'M SORRY.

I MADE THE FIRST EMOTION FOR DUNHAM FOR THIS, BUT FOR THE APPROVAL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALRIGHT.

SO I SPEND MOTION IN PROPERTY SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR.

APPLICATION BY SAM J N MORAL B.

OUR FINAL CASE TONIGHT IS IN DISTRICT FOUR, OUR Z 20 21 0 0 0 0 8

[6. District 4 - RZ-2021-00008 - Application by Sam J. and Maral B. Haboush requesting a rezoning of 5.92 acres from Agricultural, Limited (A-2) to Residential, Limited (R-1), with proffered conditions, at 199 Lindsey Lane on Tax Map 63-1-0-2-C. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Rural Enhancement.Comment]

HABUSH REQUESTING A REZONING OF 5.92 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TO, TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS AT 1 9 9 LINDSEY LANE ON TAX MAP 63 1 0 2.

SEE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT.

YOU KIND OF SEE ON THE AIR PHOTO, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY NARROW OR WAY ACTUALLY, I DEFER TO THAT AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PAID.

THANK YOU MS. PARKER, TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, BUT SHE INDICATED THIS AS A REZONING APPLICATION OF 5.9 ACRES FROM AN AGRICULTURE ZONING TO AN R ONE RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO CREATE ONE NEW LOT.

THIS IS LOCATED IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ALL THE BUDDING PROPERTIES THERE'S ZONE AGRICULTURALLY AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN MOST OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE IN A SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY, UM, DESIGNATION THAT SORT OF BROWN THERE THERE'S A CEMETERY, UH, PARCEL ADJACENT TO THIS.

AND THAT'S WHY THAT HAS THE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION.

UM, LOOKING AT THE ARROW PHOTOS, SEE THAT, UH, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, UM, UH, REALLY EXHIBIT EITHER UNDEVELOPED OR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER DID, UH, WELL, THE NEXT ONE LOOK, MAYBE THE EXCEPTIONAL PLAN, UM, THAT THEY PROVIDED A COUPLE THINGS.

SO THEY PROVIDED THIS.

I ADDED THE HIGHLIGHTS, JUST I THINK TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SEE OF THE BLUE DASH LINE SHOWS THE, THE CURRENT, UH, PARCEL AND THE YELLOW SHOWS THE TWO ACRE CUT OUT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE.

UM, YOU'LL NOTICE ON HERE DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING OFF OF LINDSEY LANE AND LINDSEY LANE, UM, WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE EXISTING HOUSE INTO THE NEW PARCEL.

AND IT ALSO PROVIDES ACCESS TO A PARCEL OVER HERE.

UM, CLARK ROAD IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING.

CROCK CLARK ROAD COMES UP HERE, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO CLARK ROAD.

SO THE, THE ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED FROM, FROM LINDSEY LANE.

AND I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THERE IS A PROFFER THAT REQUIRES OF A TREE SAVE AREA ALONG THE NORTHEAST BOUNDARY.

SO THEN THE TREE SAVE AREA WOULD BE ALONG THIS BOUNDARY RIGHT HERE.

I'M GETTING TO JUST THE SUMMARY OF THE APPLICATION.

THEY OWN THE 5.9 ACRE PARCEL.

THAT INCLUDES ONE 12 , UH, WITH APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION.

THEY WOULD SUBDIVIDE IT TO CREATE ONE NEW BUILDING LOT.

UM, THE EXISTING BUILDING WOULD, UH, RESIDE ON A 3.9 ACRE PARCEL AND THE NEW PARCEL WOULD BE ABOUT TWO ACRES IN SIZE.

AND THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS PROHIBITED AS A PROFIT TO PROHIBIT ANY FUTURE DIVISIONS.

UM, WITH THIS, THE PARENT TRACK, UM, ALL THE BUY RIGHTS SPLITS HAVE BEEN TAKEN.

SO IT DOES REQUIRE REZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL TO A RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY.

UM, THE CASH PROFFER POLICY DOES NOT APPLY TO REZONE CASES THAT ONLY CRE ONE NEW LOT.

SO THE CAPITAL, UH, THE CASPAR FOR POLICY DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS APPLICATION.

THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD IN AUGUST, UH, COMMISSIONER, MR. BUTTOCK ATTENDED AS LONG AS THREE NEIGHBORS.

THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED ABOUT LEAVING A BUFFER ON CLARK ROAD INTO AN ADJACENT INTO ADJOINING LOTS.

SO THEY DID COMMIT TO PROVIDING THAT, THAT BUFFER, UH, THAT TREE SAVE AREA, UH, TO THAT ADJOINING LOT AND THE IMPACTS ON WELLS AND DRAIN FIELDS.

UH, BUT NO ONE EXPRESSED OPPOSITES TO THE APPLICATION.

THEY DID SUBMIT PROFFERS, UM, JUST THE PROFFERS, THE FIRST ONE DOES FOR, UH, REQUIRE THEM TO ADHERE TO THAT ACCEPTABLE PLAN.

UM, THE SECOND ONE COMMITS TO THAT BUFFER AREA THAT HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, A 20 FOOT WIDE TREE SAVE AREA, AND THE LAST ONE WOULD PROHIBIT ANY FURTHER SUBDIVISION IN THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION IS LINDSAY LANE.

UM, IS THAT HOW MANY HOUSES DOES THAT LINDSEY LANES? UM, YEAH, IT'S UH, THREE AND TO PRAY IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD.

I MEAN, IT'S A PR I KNOW, I KNOW THE ROAD, IT'S A PRETTY NARROW ROAD, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M JUST A DRIVEWAY.

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I JUST KNOW IT'S AN ERA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

SO THE APPLICANT HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS ANDY COMMON HERE ON BEHALF OF MR AND MRS. SUE BOUCHER HERE AS WELL.

UH, WE'VE GOT SOME REGARDING THIS APPLICATION.

THEY'D LIVED ON THIS PROPERTY FOR OVER TWENTY-FIVE YEARS.

UH, THEIR SON JOSEPH'S RECENTLY BEEN MARRIED.

THEY'D LIKE TO CUT OUT THIS LOT IN ORDER TO HIM BUILD A HOME FOR HE AND HIS FAMILY.

AND SO THAT'S THE REQUEST.

AS, AS IT WAS NOTED, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING.

WE'VE DONE THE THINGS THAT THE FOLKS HAVE ASKED ABOUT RETAINING THAT BUFFER INTO THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR AND ACCESS OFF OF LINDSEY LANE AND DO THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THAT.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND ASK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION.