Nov 03, 2021 BOS Regular Meeting 11-3-21

ROLL RIGHT INTO.

I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS.

I THINK, UH, MR. ALVAREZ HAS SOME THINGS TO FOLLOW UP A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, BUT QUICKLY.

UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN SINCE OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME, UH, TOWN HALLS AND MEETINGS SINCE THEN TO PROUDLY ANNOUNCE OUR TRIPLE A, OUR THIRD AAA RATING, UH, WHICH WE RECEIVED FROM FITCH.

AND SO MOST EVERYBODY PAYING ANY ATTENTION HAS CERTAINLY HEARD FROM US ON THAT.

AND IT WAS THE SUBJECT OF TOWN HALL DISCUSSIONS.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO JUST TO THANK, AND THERE'LL BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE, BUT JUST TO THANK ALL THE FOLKS THAT WERE REALLY INVOLVED AND INTEGRAL IN MAKING THAT HAPPEN, I'M LOOKING AT MS. HORLOCKER, OUR, OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, FORMER DIRECTOR OF FINANCE AND OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF FINANCE.

THERE'S A LOT OF HANDS IN THIS AND IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, IT GOES BACK TO A LONG TIME AGO.

THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'RE PROUD OF.

AND TODAY I JUST SAY THANK YOU TO ALL, ALL THOSE HERE THAT, UM, HAD AN INTEGRAL ROLE IN GETTING US TO THAT EXCITING LANDMARK, THE BOND REFERENDUM.

UM, AGAIN, I THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY.

UH, I KNOW WE'RE THE CITIZENS HAVE, I DON'T KNOW THE FINAL COUNT OR NOT IF IT'S OFFICIAL, BUT, UM, ONE PRECINCT IS STILL OUT, BUT, BUT, UH, THE, THE CITIZENS HAVE VOTED.

AGAIN, THERE'LL BE A LOT MORE ON THAT NOW, NOW THAT WAS WORK, BUT I THINK IT'S FEELS LIKE THE WORK IS NOW REALLY STARTING.

THE MAJORITY HAS VOTED YES.

ON BOTH BOND REFERENDUMS.

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UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, UH, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY HERE THAT WORKED ON THAT IN THE SCHOOLS.

THIS, THIS ALSO GOES TO THE SCHOOLS Y'ALL WERE INTEGRAL.

THANK YOU, DR.

ALIENS SCHOOL, BOARD MEMBERS, UM, IN, IN JOINING US IN, I THINK DOING WHAT I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE WAS AN EXCELLENT JOB IN COMMUNICATING TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY, WHAT, WHAT THIS WAS ABOUT.

AND THEN LASTLY, UH, WE HAD THE JOINT TO JOINT, UH, TOWN HALL MEETINGS.

UH, THIS MONTH I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND BOTH.

I THOUGHT THEY WENT WELL, UM, ATTENDANCE, SOMEWHAT LOW, BUT I THINK IT'S PICKING UP POST PANDEMIC.

IT'S PICKING UP SOME, AND IT WAS CERTAINLY A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THE AAA RATING AND LOTS OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON.

SO WE WILL CONTINUE THOSE GOING FORWARD AND TO THANK ALL FOLKS THAT AGAIN, A LOT OF STAFF TIME, BUT OF COURSE THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT JOINED US THAT THANK YOU ALL.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MR. ALVAREZ, WHO HAS A FEW OTHER UPDATES AND INFORMATION ITEMS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I START WITH ONE OF THE, SORRY.

ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE RECEIVED A AAA RATING, WHICH IS THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION HAS AWARDED, UH, GOOCHLAND.

UH, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THE, UH, AWARD FOR DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION FROM THE, UM, GOVERN GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION.

AND THIS IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF RECOGNITION AND GOVERNMENTAL BUDGETING.

IT'S ATTAINMENT REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT ACHIEVEMENT BY YOUR ORGANIZATION AS PRIOR, UM, AWARDEES GOT A GOOD WORD, PROBABLY NOT.

UM, REMEMBER ENGLISH AND MY SECOND LANGUAGE, UH, HONOREES ABOUT THAT.

UH, WE RECEIVE, UH, A MEDALLION TO GO ON OUR, ON OUR CLOCK.

THANK YOU, BARBARA, OUR FINANCE FOLKS, AND REALLY EVERYBODY THAT WORKS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, OUR BUDGET IS ON TIME AND, UM, PROPERLY PROBABLY FINANCED.

SO, UM, THIS IS NOT A ONE DEPARTMENT THING.

OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT PUTS IT TOGETHER, BUT EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS HAS A SAY IN IT.

SO THANK YOU.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, ANOTHER REASON WHY WE GOT THOSE AAA RATINGS IS THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA AUDITOR OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS HAS A CERTIFIED ONCE AGAIN, THE TREASURER, THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UM, FOR MAINTAINING ACCOUNTABILITY OVER ALL COMMONWEALTH COLLECTIONS, ESTABLISH INTERNAL CONTROLS AND COMPLYING WITH STATE LAWS.

I DON'T SEE MS. BROWN HERE, BUT, UH, ON OUR TREASURER, THE SHERIFF IS HERE AND OUR TREASURER, MS. PAM DUNCAN.

I APPRECIATE IT.

AND THANK YOU TO JENNIFER BROWN AS WELL, AND HER DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR EXCELLENT WORK.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, TWO MORE AWARDS, UH, RELATED TO THIS, UH, THE, UM, OUR COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE HAS BEEN REACCREDITED.

OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN REACCREDITED ONCE AGAIN BY THE, UM, REVENUE ASSOCIATE COMMISSIONERS OF REVENUE ASSOCIATION AND THE TREASURER'S OFFICE WAS ALSO ACCREDITED BY THE TREASURER'S ASSOCIATION.

SO AGAIN, THE REASON WE ARE, UH, WHO WE ARE AND WHY OUR FINANCES ARE SO GREAT.

AND WHILE WE RECEIVED, WE WERE THE SMALLEST LOCALITY TO RECEIVE, UH, THREE AAA RATINGS IS BECAUSE OF FOLKS LIKE THIS, I DO THEIR JOB.

I'M VERY WELL, THANK YOU ALL.

UM, I WANTED TO ALSO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THERE'S A COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, ON NOVEMBER 8TH, UH, HERE IN THIS BUILDING, UM, AT SIX, FROM SIX TO 7:30 PM, TO TALK ABOUT A NEW, UH, PROJECT THAT, UH, WE RECEIVED A GRANT FOR, IT'S A PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE PLAN FOR THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE AND THE GOOCHLAND, UH, COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.

UH, THE MEETING WILL BE HERE RIGHT HERE IN, UH, COMES FROM TWO 50, WHICH IS A ROOM HERE TO MY LEFT.

UH, IT ALSO WILL BE AVAILABLE THROUGH ZOOM.

SO YOU CAN CHECK ON OUR WEBSITE CAUSE THAT'S A LONG, A LONG URL.

I WON'T READ IT TO YOU.

UM, SO YOU CAN JOIN LIVE OR, OR VIA ZOOM.

AND WHAT WE'LL BE DOING IN THE MEETING IS GETTING INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT KIND OF FACILITIES YOU MIGHT WANT FOR WALKING OR BIKING IN THE VILLAGES.

UM, THIS IS JUST A KICKOFF MEETING AND A SECOND MEETING WILL BE,

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WILL FOLLOW IN THE FUTURE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN LOOK ON OUR WEBSITE OR YOU CAN CONTACT, UM, TOM, TOM COLEMAN.

YOU CAN ALSO FIND THEM ON OUR WEBSITE, BUT HIS EMAIL IS TCOLEMAN@GOOCHLANDVA.US FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

AND THEN OUR PARKS AND RECREATION FOLKS DON'T STAY BEHIND ON RECEIVING AWARDS.

SO, UM, THEY'VE RECEIVED AN AWARD FOR THE SUMMER CAMP, 2020 VIDEO.

SO THE OSCAR GOES TO THEM FOR VIDEO PRESENTATION OF A PARKS PROGRAM.

UM, AND THIS IS A VIDEO THAT WAS ON, ON OUR WEBSITE, UM, KIND OF PROMOTING THE SUMMER CAMP, MOST INNOVATIVE MARKETING STRATEGY AWARD.

SO JESSICA IS, SHE HERE IS NOT HERE, BUT CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR PARKS, UH, UH, DEPARTMENT FOLKS.

UH, NEXT I HAVE, UM, JUST A RECAP FROM THE, UM, FALL FESTIVAL THAT WAS HELD THIS PAST SATURDAY.

UH, WE ESTIMATE ATTENDANCE TO BE ABOUT 2,500.

THERE WERE 15 VENDORS INVOLVED, UH, THE BAND BLAIR'S WEST.

I HEARD A LOT OF GREAT COMMENTS.

I SPENT A TIME KIND OF WALKING, WALKING AROUND.

UM, BLAIR'S WEST WAS ABANDONED.

A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, LOVED THEM.

UM, AND PEOPLE WERE HANGING AROUND UNTIL THEY LEFT.

UM, WE HANDED OUT 550 GOODIE BAGS TO CHILDREN AND THERE WERE 60 KIDS IN THE, IN THE COSTUME CONTEST.

UNFORTUNATELY, I, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PIES, SO I DIDN'T GET TO TASTE PIES AND I DON'T WANT TO BE A JUDGE AT THE KID'S COSTUME CONTEST CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A NO WIN SITUATION.

I DID IT ONCE AND I GOT APPROACHED, WHY NOT MY SON ANYWAY.

SO IT WAS A GREAT EVENT AND I, A FRIEND OF MINE CAME, WHO WAS, THINK, WAS THINKING OF MOVING TO GOSHEN AND HE HAS BOUGHT HIS LOT, UH, THIS MORNING HE COMPLETED HIS PURCHASE.

SO HE SAID HE LOVED IT.

AND SO MANY PEOPLE WERE, WERE TERRIFIC, UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UH, THE GOVERNOR ANNOUNCED APPOINTMENTS TO, UH, STEP DIFFERENT ADVISORY BOARDS AND OUR OWN, UM, CHIEF, UH, FERGUSON WAS NOMINATED FOR THE COMMONWEALTH NEURO TRUMP NEUROTRAUMA IS FOR YOU GUYS TO SAY INITIATIVE ADVISORY BOARD.

UM, AND WHAT, UH, MR. FERGUSON, CHIEF FERGUSON WAS APPOINTED TO THE STATE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, ADVISORY BOARD.

THIS IS A REAPPOINTMENT.

WE ALREADY KNEW ABOUT IT FOR SOME TIME, BUT THEY HAD TOLD US NOT TO RELEASE ANY INFORMATION.

SO IT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA, BUT, UM, I'M ANNOUNCING IT NOW.

SO THIS IS HIS SECOND APPOINTMENT TO THAT BOARD.

AND ALSO, UM, ONE OF OUR CITIZENS, RICHARD BAGBY WAS APPOINTED TO THE, UM, UNITED SPINAL ASSOCIATION OF VIRGINIA, UM, NEUROTRAUMA INITIATIVE, ADVISORY BOARD.

SO CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH AND THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING ON, ON THESE BOARDS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT.

UM, AND THEN ONE LAST ANNOUNCEMENT ON SATURDAY AT 10:00 AM AT CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL, UH, WE WILL BE UNVEILING A NEW HISTORICAL MARKER FOR THAT LOCATION.

SO PLEASE COME ON OUT.

UM, ALL THE PUBLIC IS ALL INVITED.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SPEAKERS AND, UH, WE ALSO WILL BE OPENING A NEW FILE CABINET OR NEW CABINET DISPLAY CABINET FOR, UH, FORMER STUDENTS OR THE SCHOOL TO PUT SOME OF THEIR AWARDS AND MEMORABILITY IN THOSE CABINETS THAT WILL BE IN THE CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL A WHOLE HALLWAY.

SO PLEASE COME ON OUT AT 10:00 AM, UM, UH, CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE LAST OF MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MR. ALVAREZ.

SO THAT CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL ON VEILING ROADSIDE MARKER AND BALING THAT'S 10 O'CLOCK THIS SATURDAY 10 O'CLOCK SATURDAY.

TOWARD THIS BODY TO BE DISRESPECTFUL TOWARD THIS BODY AND TO DENIGRATE THIS BODY, UH, MS. WENDY HOBBES AND MYSELF HAVE NEVER, EVER DONE THAT.

SO ON YOUR WAY THERE, OR AFTER THERE, YOU CAN STOP AT THE SHREDDING EVENT, WHICH IS THIS WEEKEND AT 9:00 AM TO 1:00 PM RIGHT HERE AT THE 5 22 AND FAIRGROUNDS.

THAT'S ALWAYS, UH, UH, I FIND THAT A CONVENIENCE TO THINK YOU'LL TAKE UP TO FOUR BANKER'S BOXES AND SOME OF THE THINGS PER SHREDDING.

SO THAT'S THIS SATURDAY AS WELL, FIVE BANKER'S BOXES UP TO FIVE, FIVE BANKER'S BOXES YOU'VE TRIED TO LIMIT BEFORE ALL GOING MY EYES OPEN.

SO BACK TO BACK TO THE, UM, THE PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE KICKOFF MEETING, UM, I KNOW MS. HUNTER, YOU'VE ASKED ALL OF US TO GIVE YOU ANY NAMES.

AND SO I KNOW I

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OWE YOU THAT.

AND I THINK PROBABLY BY NOW YOU'VE FIGURED OUT ALL THE WAYS THAT WE CAN TRY TO COMMUNICATE THAT IS, UM, I'M JUST GONNA ADD TO THAT.

THAT IS VERY EXCITING FOR, FOR US AND, UH, HOPING TO GET A LOT OF ATTENDANCE.

UM, AND I W I HAVE SOME NAMES FOR YOU FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE HAD TOLD ME THEY WANT TO BE AN ENGAGED AND KNOW WHEN THINGS ARE COMING UP AND BACK TO PARKS AND REC.

I THINK WE CAN ANNOUNCE THAT NIGHT RIDING IS AVAILABLE AT LEAKS LEAKS MAIL.

ISN'T IT? UM, IT'S, I THINK I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAID, THANK YOU.

THEY'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT IT.

SO AGAIN, IN, IN, IN THE INNOVATIVE AND CREATIVE AND EXCITING PARKS AND REC AREAS, UM, WE HAVE NIGHT RIDING AT LEAKS SMELL.

I THINK IT'S 5:00 AM TO 9:30 PM, AND THERE'S A PERMITTING PROCESS TO, AND THANKS TO THE SHERIFF AND OTHERS WHO HAVE WORKED WITH THE PARKS AND REC AND OTHERS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT'S A VERY POPULAR, UH, IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION ON THAT, MS. SHERMAN, GO GO TO OUR PARKS AND REC WEBSITE AND THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION.

THERE'S A FORM YOU FILL OUT AND YOU PUT ON YOUR DASHBOARD IN CASE YOU DON'T COME OUT.

WE KNOW WHO WE KNOW WHO'S IN THE PARK, UM, AND, UH, BE SAFE IF YOU DO IT.

IT'S, THEY'RE NOT EASY TRAILS, BUT THEY'RE ONE MARKED AND WE'VE PLACED.

I BELIEVE THE FRIENDS OF GOOCHLAND PARKS HAVE PLACED, I THINK, 49 STATIONS WHERE YOU CAN GO IN AND NOW KNOW ALL OF OUR FIRE AND EMS FOLKS HAVE BEEN THROUGH THAT TRAINING SO THAT IF SOMEBODY FALLS OR HURTS THEMSELVES, THEY CAN CALL AND TELL US WHAT LOCATION YOU'RE AT.

AND THEY CAN FIND IT ON THE NINE 11 ACTING 9 1 1 APPLICATION, SO THEY CAN FIND YOU MORE QUICKLY.

SO WE'RE MOVING ALONG THE AGENDA REQUEST TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEMS, ADDITIONS, DELETIONS CHANGES IN THE ORDER OF PRESENTATION TO A BOARD, HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO PUT FORTH.

NOW, I THINK, I THINK, UM, WE CAN TAKE THE CLOSED MEETING OFF OF THE AGENDA.

SO I WOULD, UH, WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE'LL MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND THEN PROCEED WITH THE AGENDA WITH THAT MOVED ALL RIGHT NOW TO THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF OUR MEETING CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.

AND WE WILL OPEN THAT UP.

UH, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADDRESS TO THE BOARD OF RELEVANCE TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY, PLEASE, UH, MAKE SURE THAT PLEASE TURN THE MICROPHONE ON THERE AS WELL.

AND AFTER YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, UM, NAME AND ADDRESS, WE WILL, UH, SET THE TIMER FOR THREE MINUTES.

GOOD.

AFTER GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOYCE LANE, JORDAN.

I LIVE AT 1429 STOKE STATION ROAD, AND I WENT TO WISH TO GIVE MY THREE MINUTES TO SAY COUPS SHABBAT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

MA'AM CHAIRMAN LUCK.

LUMPKIN CAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, SHABAKA UH, WENDY HOBBS IS A SHINING BRIGHT LIGHT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AS YOU KNOW, SHE DOES HER BEST TO GET OUR SENIOR CITIZENS AND ALL CITIZENS INOCULATED.

SHE, UM, GETS PEOPLE TO THE POLLS IN TERMS OF VOTER REGISTRATION.

SHE HOLDS FORUMS TO EDUCATE US AND THANKS.

SHE'S A MEMBER OF THE HEALTH COMMITTEE, AND I BELIEVE SHE'S A MEMBER OF THE HOUSING COMMITTEE, AND I'M SURE SHE DOES MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH.

I TRIED TO BE A GOOD CITIZEN SINCE MY RETIREMENT IN, UH, 2001.

AND I MOVED HERE.

I WAS A PART OF A TEAM THAT HELPED REPURPOSE, UH, CENTRAL.

HI, UH, MY ORGANIZATION FEEDS TWO FAMILIES A WEEK WITH FREE GROCERIES.

WHEN WE HARVEST FROM OUR GARDENS, WE MAKE SURE THAT SENIOR CITIZENS GET THE, GET THE HARVEST.

SO IT PERPLEXES ME TO BE TARGETED WITH MS. HOBBS AS A TROUBLEMAKER AND A BULLY.

UH, ACCORDING TO MRS. SPOON HAUSER, HE HAS 8,000, UH, CONSTITUENTS IN HIS DISTRICT, I THINK IS MORE LIKE FOUR, BUT HE HAS CONVEYED TO MS. HARPS THAT THERE ARE ONLY THREE OUT OF 4,000 WHO GIVES HIM TROUBLE.

AND THAT I'M A TROUBLEMAKER.

AND MS. HOBBES IS A TROUBLEMAKER, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THE, A NAMED PERSON IS.

UM, WE HAVE OBSERVED, I HAVE OBSERVED THIS BODY FOR 20 YEARS.

I PRESENTED BEFORE THIS BODY FOR 20 YEARS, AND ALSO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

I HAVE SEEN INDIVIDUALS IN GROUPS BE UNCIVIL

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AND WE NEVER WILL.

SO IT IS IT'S UNACCEPTABLE.

THEN AS A CITIZEN WITH MS HOPS WHO TRIES TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY TO, TO BE LABELED THAT THIS BOARD HAS A CODE OF CONDUCT.

I THINK IT'S 20 ITEMS, BUT I KNOW NUMBERS 5, 13, 14, AND 15 ADDRESSES THE CONDUCT OF THE BOARD TOWARD THE CITIZENS.

AND I THINK IT ADDRESSES SOMETHING, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU DO NOT PERSONALIZE A CONFLICT.

AND IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT, YOU TRY TO BRING IT DOWN.

I FEEL THAT MY SAFETY, MS. HOFF SAFETY MAY BE COMPROMISED.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO MR. SPOON HOWARD WAS BASIS.

AND IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, UH, THIS CRAZY ENVIRONMENT, WE DON'T WANT TO BE TARGETED AS PEOPLE WHO ARE TROUBLEMAKERS AND WHO BULLIED PEOPLE, THE CHAIRMAN LUMP CAN, I'M GOING INTO MY EARLY 83RD BIRTHDAY.

I'LL BE I'M INTO MY NINTH DECADE ON THIS EARTH.

I SHOULD HAVE SENSE ENOUGH BY NATURE TO KNOW HOW TO CONDUCT MYSELF BEFORE A FORMAL BODY OR OTHERWISE.

SO I THINK THAT MRS. SPOON, HOWARD HOUSER, OLS, MRS. HOBSON AND APOLOGY, NOT ME, I DON'T CARE.

AND I, AND I THINK THAT THIS BOARD SHOULD CORRECT HIM.

AGAIN, I'M GOING TO COME, I'M GOING TO STAND.

THANK YOU, MR. GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M ONE DAY HOBBS AND I LIVE AT 30, 55 TRAMPED ACROSS THE STREET CRED, TRAMPING, PROFITABLY.

AND I WANT TO THANK MRS. SHABAKA FOR HIS COMMENTS, BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'M PERFECTLY ABLE TO SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND YES, MR. SPOON HOWARD, I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION ON OCTOBER THE 14TH THAT WAS NOT AMICABLE, BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS OF MANY THINGS THAT WERE SAID, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT BOTHERS ME MOST IS WHAT MR. SHABAKA SAYS ABOUT BULLYING.

I TOO HAVE WITNESSED PEOPLE COME INTO THIS ROOM AND USE PROFANITY TOWARDS YOU ALL IN AND SAY TO YOU, WE, WE ELECTED YOU TO DO WHAT WE'VE SAID TO, TO THE POINT WHERE MS. MCGEE HAD TO SAY, YOU ALL NEED TO CALM DOWN, OR WE HAVE TO VACATE THIS ROOM.

I'VE SEEN PEOPLE COME BEFORE YOU AND CALL YOU IDIOTS.

I'VE NEVER DONE THAT.

SO I DO RESENT BEING LABELED IN ANY FASHION.

I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF WENDY HOBBS.

I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MANY AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN THIS COUNTY WHO DO NOT COME TO THESE MEETINGS.

AND TO SAY, THE THREE OF US JUST SPEAK, WHO ELSE IN HERE? AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN TWO-SPEED.

SO YES, WE DO SPEAK, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE.

I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD, BECAUSE I RESPECT THIS BOARD ENOUGH TO BRING THE ISSUES TO YOU AND TO ADDRESS THEM.

AND SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND OR CARE OR AGREE WITH WHAT I SAY YOU ARE, AND YOU DID TAKE AN OATH TO REPRESENT ME AND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE CONCERNS IN THIS COUNTY.

AND SO I WILL CONTINUE TO COME UNDER ANY LABEL.

I WILL CONTINUE TO COME.

NOW, MR. LAMPKINS AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT OF THE RESOLUTION THAT WE HAD REQUESTED.

AND I ASKED, AND YOU SAID THAT THE FACT THAT THE BOY HAD HADN'T DONE THE RESOLUTION DEMONSTRATED THAT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO DO THE RESOLUTION.

THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE AT THE MEETING.

BUT WHAT I DO ASK IS TO BE GIVEN A REASON WHY YOU AS THE BOARD WILL NOT SUPPORT A RESOLUTION THAT CONDEMNS RACISM, BIGOTRY IN ALL THE ILLS THAT GO WITH THAT.

WE ASKED FOR AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT.

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I'M NOT GOING TO BE BOTHERED BY LABELS.

I'M GOING TO STAND ON WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT.

AND I'M GOING TO STAND FOR THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS COUNTY WHO RAISED A CONCERN FOR ME.

BUT I DO WANT AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THAT REQUEST WAS NOT ON IT.

AND I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE BOARD, EXCEPT I THINK I CAN SAY THIS ON BEHALF OF THE WHOLE BOARD, YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME AND WE WILL DEFEND YOUR RIGHT TO SPEAK TO US FOR ME TO THE DEATH.

VERY IMPORTANT.

AND THE SAME FOR MR. SHABAKA.

SO THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD.

MR. LYNN, ROBIN LYNN WHO'S, THE SECRETARY OF THE BOARD WAS CALLED INTO ACTION.

THAT'S A HARD ACT.

UM, I'M LINDA MOORE.

I LIVE AT 2164 PROFIT ROAD, UM, MANNEQUIN SABOT.

UM, I GOT, UH, A FRANTIC SON WHO, UM, CAME OVER TO MY HOUSE AT FOUR 30 IN THE MORNING TELLING ME THAT MY BELOVED DOG, A FLAGGED DOG, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE DO UNDERSTAND THAT FLAG WAS FOR THE LOVE OF ANIMALS AND GOOCHLAND A LONG TIME, UM, SUPPORTER OF, UH, OF, OF PETS, LIKE BY PENNY.

UM, HOWEVER, WE DID NOT FIND HER IN TIME.

UM, EVERY AVAILABLE RESOURCE FOR THIS COUNTY WAS USED, UM, ANIMAL PROTECTION.

UH, THEY PUT OUT THE WORD GOOCHLAND, PET FINDERS, EVERYBODY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, WE ONLY HAVE 19 HOUSES BACK THERE WAS SEARCHING FOR MY BELOVED PENNY.

UM, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL.

UM, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, I CALLED AT FOUR 30 TO, TO INFORM HIM THAT I WAS OUT WITH A FLASHLIGHT AND TO, TO, IF THEY THOUGHT I WAS A PROWLER, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, OUT, YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH, WE'RE PRETTY RURAL OUT THERE.

I'M MR. SHOP'S BEEN TO MY HOUSE, UM, IN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF FIELDS AND THERE'S COYOTES WHETHER OR NOT ANYBODY WANTS TO, UM, UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT THEY ARE IN THEY'RE ALIVE AND WELL, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, MY PENNY, LUCKILY WE FOUND HER AND GOT HER.

UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT WAS TOO LATE, UM, FOR US.

SO, UM, I'M LUCKY ALSO TO HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO WAS WILLING TO DIG HER GRAVE FOR ME, UM, IN THE RAIN YESTERDAY.

SO, UM, I APPRECIATE, LIKE I SAID, LIVING IN A COUNTY LIKE GOOCHLAND, WHO DOES APPRECIATE ANIMALS, UM, IN THEIR SAFETY, UM, IN A, UM, AND W WOULDN'T HAVE SHOT MY PANNING, YOU KNOW, FOR BEING IN THEIR FIELDS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, HAVE A BLESSED DAY.

THANK YOU, MS. AND WE SAW THE EMAILS, I'M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.

WE JOINED OTHER FOLKS THAT SENT CONSTELLATION.

I KNOW LOSING A PET IS NOT EASY.

THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD.

ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD? OKAY.

MS. BECKA.

IT'S I KINDA MISS YOU DOWN HERE.

SHE GIVES ME A KICK.

IF I'M GOING OVER, UH, JONATHAN 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.

UM, THIS IS WEDNESDAY THE DAY AFTER ELECTION DAY.

AND, UM, I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT ALL 10 OF THE PRECINCTS, OTHER THAN CENTRAL ABSENTEE GOT TO SPEAK TO, UM, PROBABLY LESS THAN A THOUSAND, BUT CERTAINLY MORE THAN 500 DIFFERENT CONSTITUENTS VOTERS, CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.

AND IT JUST REINFORCED TO ME HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE BEING IN THE UNITED STATES, BUT ALSO GOOCHLAND COUNTY.

UM, THERE ARE FOLKS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT POLITICAL PHILOSOPHIES AND APPROACHES, BUT MY INTERACTIONS WERE ALL CORDIAL AND, AND, UH, POSITIVE.

I HELPED SOMEONE ELSE'S PERSPECTIVE PUT UP THEIR TENT BECAUSE THEY NEEDED HELP PUTTING THEIR TENT UP AND THEY GAVE ME A COOKIE IN RETURN.

SO, UH, KIND OF LIKE A TRAINED DOG, I GUESS.

I'LL DO YOU ANY TRICK FOR OUR TREAT? UM, BUT I DID APPRECIATE THAT YESTERDAY.

WE HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD AND, UM, THAT, THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME.

UM, I, UH, I APPRECIATE ALSO THE ACCESSIBILITY OF OUR ELECTORAL BOARD.

UM,

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THERE WAS ONE, UH, CITIZEN, WHEN YOU'RE STANDING OUTSIDE OF THE POLLS, THEY MAY BE ASSUMED THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WHICH I KNEW TO CALL MR. LYNN AND ASK HIM ABOUT A SCENARIO WHERE HE DID NOT KNOW HOW A PROVISIONAL BALLOT WOULD WORK FOR HIM, BECAUSE HE HAD JUST RECENTLY RELOCATED TO THE COUNTY, HER RE RELOCATED.

AND I OBSERVED THAT WAS NOT MY BALLYWICK AND MR. LIMP COULD HELP WITH THAT.

AND THEN WHERE WAS THE SITUATION WHERE THERE WERE, IT'S A SHORTAGE OF SOME BALLOTS AND ONE CITIZEN WAS CONCERNED THAT THEY WERE FILLING OUT A BALLOT BY HAND THAT DIDN'T GO INTO THE MACHINE.

AND, UH, IN THAT CASE, MR. FLANAGAN WAS ABLE TO, UH, SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THAT PERSON AND, UH, SAY TO THEM OF THEIR CONCERNS.

BUT I HAVE A CONFIDENCE AND FAITH THAT, UM, WE IN GOOCHLAND HAVE A GOOD ELECTORAL PROCESS.

I'VE NEVER BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT ELECTORAL OUTCOMES OR SHENANIGANS IF THAT'S THE TECHNICAL TERM FOR IT.

AND I JUST WANT TO APPRECIATE THAT THIS BOARD HAS SHOWN A COMMITMENT TO PROPERLY FUNDING OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF I MAY SPEAK FOR OTHERS, WHICH I GUESS I WON'T I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

I DON'T HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ELECTION PROCESS IN THIS COUNTY.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE FAIR, HONEST ELECTIONS, AND I APPRECIATE AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT PROCESS, EVEN IF IT MEANS PRINTING MORE BALANCED THAN WHAT ISN'T ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PHOTOCOPY THEM.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL SIT DOWN.

THANK YOU, MR. LAU.

I NEED TO SEE, YEAH, HE WANTS TO SEE THE RED LIGHT ON.

I THOUGHT I SAW IT ROLL OVER A MINUTE.

UM, I'LL JUST ANYBODY ELSE TO COME FORWARD.

AND HOW WOULD YOU SAY THAT? ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT GIBSON IS THE TURNOUT.

AND I THINK, I THINK I HEARD LAST NIGHT THAT, UH, NOT ENOUGH BALLOTS WAS A PROBLEM IN A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

UM, AND AS A SIGN OF GOOD TURNOUT.

SO, UM, I'M EAGER TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL NUMBERS ARE.

GOODSON IS ALWAYS AT THE TOP AND I, I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE AGAIN FOR THIS ELECTION.

SEEING NO MORE FOLKS COMING FORWARD.

WE'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD AND MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM IN THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR OCTOBER 5TH, OUR LAST MONTH, REGULAR MEETING MINUTES, BOARD MEMBERS.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS, ANY CORRECTIONS CHANGES? IF NOT, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE LAST MONTHS, REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 5TH, 2021 MEETING TOO SLOW.

MR. PEARSON.

IT WAS A LONG NIGHT LAST NIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

WELL DIVE NOW INTO REPORTS AND, UH, SOMEBODY COMING FROM MR. MR. WYNN, UH, FROM VIDA WELCOME.

REMEMBER FEW MINUTES.

UH, CONTRACT IS, UH, FINISHING UP AND, UH, THEY'RE JUST TAKING CARE OF SOME PUNCH LIST ITEMS RIGHT NOW.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. ALVAREZ, MARSHALL IS CONFINED HIM IN A TREE STAND THIS WEEK.

SO I'M FILLING IN, UH, SO THIS PAST MONTH WE RECEIVED 148 WORK ORDERS.

UH, WE COMPLETED 133 OF THOSE.

WE HAD FIVE OVERNIGHT CALL-OUTS UM, RECENTLY THE RESIDENCY COMPLETED, UH, OUR WINTER DRY RUNS, WHICH IS A PRE-INSPECTION OF SNOW EQUIPMENT PLOWS, UM, TO PREP FOR THE, FOR THE WINTER WEATHER.

SO WE'LL DO THAT AGAIN AFTER THE SNOW SEASONS COMPLETED AROUND APRIL, UM, JUST TO, TO DO A, BASICALLY IN EVERY SIX MONTHS KIND OF INSPECTION OF OUR EQUIPMENT, UH, WE, WE COMPLETED THREE RURAL RUSTICS.

THINK WE TOLD YOU THAT LAST TIME, BUT, UM, THEY'RE OFFICIALLY COMPLETED.

I THINK THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS STILL OUTSTANDING TO BE, UH, GET ITS FINAL SURFACE.

SO THAT WAS HERNDON ROAD BOWLS ROAD IN JERUSALEM CHURCH.

UH, AND THOSE ARE, ARE OF COURSE FUNDED BY THE SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN, UM, UH, COUNTY MONEY.

WE ALSO ARE JUST FINISHING UP THE SECOND SECONDARY MOST CYCLE AND WE WILL BE MOVING INTO THE FOURTH PRIMARY MODE CYCLE.

UM, WE ALSO, WE HAVE, UH, ONE STUDY GOING ON RIGHT NOW, A SPEED STUDY THAT IS, UH, ROUTE 6 0 6, UM, HAYNESVILLE FIFE ROAD, UH, THAT'S FROM 6 67 OLD COLUMBIA ALL THE WAY TO BROAD STREET.

AND, UM, THE LATEX MODIFIED,

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SO, UH, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, ANYTHING I MAY HAVE MISSED, UM, FROM YOU GUYS OR MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS, MR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.

I WOULD SAY THE NUMBER I WAS IN THE THREE SQUARE DISTRICT YESTERDAY IN DISTRICT TWO.

AND THE NUMBER ONE, UH, TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, UH, FOR VITA WAS THE, THE CUTTING OF THE ROADS BACK.

THE LOT OF THE ROADS THERE, UM, THERE'S NO EDGING AT IN THE WOODLINE IS VERY CLOSE, SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL CUTTING, UM, THIS YEAR, UH, SORRY FOR NEXT YEAR TO KIND OF KEEP THAT AREA BACK WHERE THE ROADS, WHERE THE, THE, THE BRUSH, YOU KNOW, THOSE COME VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD.

IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE SOME TURNS AND ACTUALLY SPENT TWO HOURS WITH, UM, A CITIZEN, UH, A PAIR OF CITIZENS DRIVING AROUND THAT AREA.

KIND OF SEEING THOSE, THOSE THINGS.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN THINK ABOUT FOR PLANNING FOR NEXT YEAR.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC, YOU SAID INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE CAUSING SIGHT DISTANCE ISSUES, PLEASE SEND THOSE OVER.

UM, WE CAN LOOK AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND RATHER THAN WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO CUT BACK FOR A SITE DISTANCE THAN FOR SURE.

AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I KNOW THIS ISN'T OUR, OUR RESIDENCY, BUT THE, UH, THE WORK THAT'S GOING ON ON, UH, 5 22 AND TWO 50 AT THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, THAT'S A VERY BAD INTERSECTION AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING AROUND ABOUT, AND I KNOW THEY'RE MAKING GREAT PROGRESS, BUT I'VE NOTICED THAT THE, WHAT THEY'RE USING THE BLOCK, THAT THOSE BIG, LARGE, UH, ROUND, UH, I DON'T WANT TO CALL THEM BARRELS.

THEY REALLY MP, LIKE YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE ANYTHING UP THERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A BETTER UNEASE, A BETTER WAY TO, TO PROVIDE THE SAFETY FOR THE WORKERS WHILE MAKING IT VISIBLE.

AND AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S NOT US, BUT MAYBE IF YOU GUYS COULD CALL YOUR PARTNERS TO THE NORTH AND, UH, MAYBE ASK THEM TO KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN REACH OUT TO ABOUT THAT.

IT WAS JUST ME NOT MR. PETERSON.

THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

I'LL ASK IT ANYWAY.

UM, UM, IS, IS VDI GENERALLY EXPERIENCING ANY DIFFICULTY OR SHORTAGE IN AVAILABILITY FOR EITHER EQUIPMENT OR PERSONNEL? UH, BECAUSE OF EITHER THE PANDEMIC ON THE PERSONNEL SIDE OR THE SUPPLY CHAIN ON THE EQUIPMENT SIDE THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IN TERMS OF FILLING POTHOLES OR CUTTING THE GRASS OR DOING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, OR EVEN OUR MAJOR PROJECTS, THE CIP PROJECTS FOR ROUNDABOUTS.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF AS A BOARD WHERE VEEVA IS BEING IMPACTED BY EXTERNAL FACTORS? IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WE'LL ASK IT AGAIN WITH JUST A WINDOW, BUT ANYTHING YOU CAN SHED LIGHT ON THAT FOR US WOULD BE HELPFUL.

UM, DEFINITELY PERSONNEL.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM ANSWERING THAT.

UM, I DON'T THINK EQUIPMENT RIGHT NOW IS REALLY OUR BIGGEST ISSUE.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AN HOUR AGO.

WE USED TO GET, UH, 60 APPLICATIONS FOR AN OPERATOR POSITION, UH, FOR, FOR MULTIPLE, WE W WE ADVERTISE SAY SEVEN OR EIGHT VACANCY FOR OPERATOR POSITIONS AT A SINGLE TIME, AND WE GET 50 OR 60 APPLICATIONS, AND NOW WE'RE GETTING MAYBE 10, AND WE'RE LUCKY IF FIVE OF THOSE HAVE CDL, SO COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE ALREADY.

UM, AND THEN, AND THEN RETAINING, RETAINING THOSE FOLKS THAT WE DO PULL ON IS SOMETIMES REALLY DIFFICULT.

UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE COMPETING WITH THE AS WELL AS, AS YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO RETAIN TALENT, BUT YEAH, WE ARE HAVING SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, HIRING AND THEN RETAINING ISSUES FOR SURE.

WELL, THERE, THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE DISTRICT SUPERINTENDENT HERE THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A CLASS ON HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS, SO MAYBE THERE'S A TIE IN THERE, SO REACH OUT AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM FOR YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEP.

THAT WERE ADDED FOR THE F Y 22 BUDGET.

YOU GUYS, OUR HR DIRECTOR, MS. RICE IS UP NEXT FOR INTRODUCTIONS.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

ON BEHALF OF COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, I'M PLEASED TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW STAFF THAT JOINED US IN OCTOBER.

WE HAVE ONE NEW EMPLOYEE IN THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, AND WE HAVE TWO NEW SHERIFF DEPUTIES, UM, DURING THAT MONTH.

SO FOR THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, MR. JEFFREY LIGAN JOINED THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE ON OCTOBER 18TH.

HE ACTUALLY WORKED FOR HANOVER COUNTY, UM, FOR 19 YEARS, AND HE IS CERTAINLY A WELCOME ADDITION TO THE COUNTY AND BELIEVE HE'S BEHIND ME, HE'S ALREADY STOOD UP.

WELL, WELCOME.

UM, AND THEN OVER IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, DEVIN DAVIS AND CHAD HERALD, UM, WERE HIRED TO FILL DEPUTY POSITIONS

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THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN THE ACADEMY RIGHT NOW, SLATED TO BE GRADUATING IN MARCH, AND THE SHERIFF WILL INTRODUCE THEM IN PERSON AT A LATER DATE.

SO, OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. INTRODUCED THEM.

SO HOPEFULLY WE WON'T MEET THEM BEFORE.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S JUST ME, BUT I'M ALWAYS LIKE GETTING SOMEBODY FROM HANOVER.

SO THEY'RE SHERIFF BECAUSE THERE WILL TRADE.

UM, ACCOUNTS PAYABLE, INFORMATION ITEMS IN OUR PACKET, BOARD MEMBERS, UM, PAGE 54.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? UM, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY IS ALSO IN OUR REPORTS, UH, INFORMATION ITEM THAT IS ON THE NEXT PAGE, PAGE 55, EVERYTHING IN DISTRICT ONE AS ALWAYS.

IT'S JUST THERE FIRST.

ANY, IF NO QUESTIONS ON THAT, WE'LL GO TO BOARD REPORTS.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING TO SHARE WITH THE INVOLVEMENT ACTIVITIES ON OTHER, OTHER BOARDS OUTSIDE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, TPO AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING DOWN THIS WAY, MR. PETERSON, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.

I WAS GOING TO SHARE AN AWFUL LOT OF GOOD NEWS ON A FINANCIAL SIDE FROM THE, AS THE CHAIR OF THE FINANCIAL COMMITTEE, BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT GOOD NEWS HAS ABOUT A THOUSAND PARENTS AND BAD NEWS AS AN ORPHAN.

UM, SO MOST OF THE GOOD NEWS ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE HAS BEEN COVERED BY THE CHAIR AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

UM, SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL JUST DIVE RIGHT IN ON THE WORKING SIDE AND THE, UH, THE, UH, THE MORE DIFFICULT SIDE OF THINGS, UH, THE BOND REFERENDUM, AS YOU MENTIONED, DID PASS, AND THAT IS THE BEGINNING, NOT THE END.

WE NOW HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO AHEAD, UM, TO, UH, STRUCTURE AND PRICE AND FINANCE, THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE AHEAD OF US.

WE ALSO, UH, ARE IN THE FINAL STAGES OF OUR, OUR BUDGET, OUR, OUR AUDIT, AND, UH, THERE IS A SPECIAL BOARD MEETING, UM, AND A, UH, PRIOR TO THE SPECIAL BOARD MEETING, A MEETING IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ON THE 23RD, UH, IT WILL HAVE THE PRESENTATION FROM THE AUDITOR ON, UM, OUR AUDIT RESULTS FOR THE PRIOR YEAR AND THAT AFTER THE 23RD, THOSE RESULTS ARE DUE TO THE STATE ON THE, ABOUT A WEEK LATER ON THE 30TH, NO LATER THAN NOVEMBER 30TH.

SO THAT'LL TIE UP OUR AUDIT OF LAST YEAR AND GET US STARTED WITH SOME THINGS TO DO THIS YEAR, AS WE GO INTO THE, UH, BUDGET SEASON FOR NEXT YEAR, STARTING IN JANUARY, UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT WHAT THE POSSIBLE IMPLICATIONS, UM, MIGHT BE TOWARD THE INFLATION THAT WE'RE SEEING OUT THERE IN PRICES OF EVERYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD AND HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT OUR BUDGET BUDGET GOING FORWARD.

UM, SO THAT'S THE, THE WORK AND THE, AND THE HARD NEWS ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE, AND YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THE GOOD NEWS.

SO THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON, MS. LAST CLIP.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, TOMORROW THE RICHMOND REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION, UH, ORGANIZATION WILL HAVE A TRANSPORTATION FORUM.

IT WILL BE IN POWER TAN COUNTY FROM NINE TO 12:00 AM AT THE INDEPENDENCE GOLF CLUB.

THE PURPOSE OF THE FORUM IS TO, TO, UH, HEAR FROM SPEAKERS, HEAR FROM, UH, PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY AS TO CURRENT CURRENT TRENDS WHAT'S GOING ON IN TRANSPORTATION.

SO I'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE A REPORT NEXT MONTH ON, ON THAT MEETING.

AND I SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.

$80,000 IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR EXECUTIVE SEARCH EXPENSES.

SEEING NO OTHER REPORTS, WE'LL MOVE INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS OF BOARD MEMBERS.

DOES ANYBODY WANT ANYTHING, UH, PULLED OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE.

UM, MR. ALVAREZ, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? YES, JEREMY, THANK YOU.

MISS LAST CLIENT, I THOUGHT IT WAS LOUD ENOUGH.

UH, THE FIRST ONE I SAID, RESOLUTION REQUESTING A V.TO ACCEPT ROADS AND BOUNDARY WRONG SUBDIVISION.

AND I THINK THE RAM BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS, SO THEY'RE GONE, UM, AND TO ACCEPT THEM INTO THE STATE SECONDARY SYSTEM OF HIGHWAYS FOR MAINTENANCE.

UM, THE SECOND, UH, IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH LOUISA COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.

WE HAVE BRIEFED YOU ON THIS ON THE PAST.

THIS IS ABOUT THE WATER LINES THAT THEY'RE RUNNING FROM, UH, SILENCE CROSSROADS ACROSS GOOCHLAND COUNTY.

UH, WE NEGOTIATED THIS AGREEMENT WITH THEM AND CAME TO TERMS A FEW WEEKS AGO.

THE THIRD IS A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR, 2022 COUNTY BUDGET BY BUDGETING AND APPROPRIATING

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THE NEXT ITEM IS A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 SCHOOL BUDGETS.

AND THIS IS THE TURNBACK FUNDS FROM, UM, FUNDS THAT THE SCHOOLS IN USE.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SPLIT 300,000 TO A CONTINGENCY FUND FOR THE NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, 320,000 TO, UH, SCHOOL OPERATING FUND.

AND 230,000 IS ALLOCATION OF FEDERAL GRANTS.

AND THEN ON PAGE 81 IS OUR HOLIDAY CALENDAR.

SO, UH, VIA THIS CONSENT AGENDA, YOU WOULD BE APPROVING THE 20, 22 HOLIDAY CALENDAR.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE ITEMS? YEAH.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

UM, THIS MAY BE FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

UM, THE ITEM ON THE, UH, UH, SEARCH EXPENSES IS ON PAGE 73, UH, IS THE DESCRIPTION AND ON PAGE 74 IS THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION.

AND THERE'S A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO ON PAGE 73.

UM, THE RESOLUTION, UH, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT BOARD ACTION REQUESTED IT LIMITS THOSE EXPENSES TO SEARCH FIRM AND ON THE, UH, PAGE 74, UH, IT, UH, THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION ITSELF, UH, TALKS ABOUT, UH, SEARCH EXPENSES.

AND SO I WANTED TO CONFIRM WHEN THE COUNTY OF THAT PAGE 74 WOULD BE THE OPERA LANGUAGE, WHICH IS THE SEARCH EXPENSES, AS OPPOSED TO THE LEAD IN DESCRIPTION ON THE PRIOR PAGE IS THAT YOU'RE APPROVING THE RESOLUTION.

SO THE LANGUAGE IN THE RESOLUTION ON PAGE 74 IS WHAT'S FINDING.

ANYTHING ELSE? AND I, THANK YOU, MR. ALVAREZ FOR HIGHLIGHTING THE SCHOOLS, UM, THE NUMBERS ON THE SCHOOLS.

SO BASICALLY, UH, ALMOST HALF THEIR TURN BACK IS GOING TO A CONTINGENCY FUND.

AND, UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GOOD, MS. WHITE, SINCE YOU'RE HERE, CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE FEDERAL FUNDS, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF PUTTING THE, UM, 230 IN THE FEDERAL FUNDS? AND IF YOU DON'T MIND COME ON UP SINCE WE'RE RECORDING DEBBIE WHITE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER FOR THE SCHOOLS.

SO, UM, THE, THAT IS THE EMERGENCY CONNECTIVITY FUND.

IT IS OUT OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN AND IT IS, UH, TO HELP STUDENTS STAY CONNECTED, UM, BOTH FOR VIRTUAL LEARNING AND FOR HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS.

SO, UM, WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT GRANTS THAT WE APPLIED FOR AND WE SEE ALL OF THEM.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SECOND ROUND, UM, WE'RE AWAITING PERMISSION ON, BUT, UM, WE REPLACED 150 OBSOLETE IPADS FOR STUDENTS, UM, OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND THAT'S IN THERE, UM, FOUR BUSES WITH WIFI, SO THAT, UM, KIDS THAT ARE ON ATHLETIC TRIPS OR ON LONG BUS RIDES ON SOME OF OUR BUSES, STUDENTS ARE ON THERE FOR OVER, OVER AN HOUR, UM, THAT WE CAN, WE'RE STARTING TO SUPPLY SOME WIFI ON THOSE BUSES.

AND THEN THE THIRD ITEM WAS IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE I LOOKED AT THAT HOTSPOTS.

SO WE, UM, WE HAD 630 KAJEET DEVICES THAT WE USE LAST YEAR.

WE'VE BEEN DISTRIBUTING THEM AGAIN THIS YEAR FOR STUDENTS.

AND SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS PAID FOR THE DATA PLANS.

WE ALREADY HAVE THE DEVICES, WE BOUGHT THEM LAST YEAR WITH FEDERAL FUNDING.

I THINK I FOLLOWED THAT.

I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY I'VE JUST TURNED BACK, IS GOING TO THAT.

IS IT GOING TO THAT, SIR? TURN BACK.

THIS IS THE GRILL.

THAT'S AN ADDITION TO THE TERM DOC AND LOOK AT THE MATH, BUT THAT'S AN ADDITION THAT'S SEPARATE.

SO WE HAVE TURNED BACK PLUS THAT YES.

SOMETHING I ASKED HIM.

I SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

UH, IF WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS OR QUESTIONS, CHERYL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

UM, MR. CHAIR, I MOVED AT THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, APPROVES THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

SECOND.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

IT WAS UNANIMOUS.

UH, AND, AND WE WILL HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU THE KIND OF BACKGROUND IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, BACKGROUND.

NOW WE MOVE INTO NEW BUSINESS AND WE HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA PRESENTED BY CALLED DRUMMER.

GOOD AFTERNOON WAS CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, PAUL DRUM, RIGHT COMMUNITY AFFAIRS MANAGER.

AND IT'S MY PLEASURE TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT YOUR PROPOSED 2022 LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.

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UM, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY'S LEGISLATIVE AGENDA BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND ACTUALLY INTO AUGUST.

UM, AND THEN, UH, LAST MONTH, OCTOBER 5TH, WE BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD A DRAFT LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, AND TODAY WE'RE BRINGING FORTH THE, UH, A REVISED VERSION OF IT THAT HAS SOME CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE SINCE WE PRESENTED ON OCTOBER 5TH.

AND IF THE BOARD SEES FIT WOULD BE ASKED TO ADOPT IT TODAY, UH, AS I MENTIONED, SO WE, WE PRESENTED LAST MONTH AND, UH, YOUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA INCLUDES THREE SECTIONS.

THE COUNTIES PRIORITY REQUEST ARE 2022 COUNTY, UH, COUNTY POLICY POSITIONS, AS WELL AS THEN THE PRIORITY REQUESTS FROM THE SCHOOLS THIS AFTERNOON.

I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THE NEW AMENDMENTS TO SAVE TIME.

YOU HAVE A BUSY AFTERNOON.

AND SO WE HAVE REALLY ONLY THREE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE TO THIS LEGISLATIVE AGENDA SINCE WE PRESENTED IT, UH, ON OCTOBER 5TH, THE FIRST IS TO ADD A PRIORITY REQUEST AND THEN THE OTHER TWO'S TO ADD SOME POLICY POSITIONS.

YOUR FIRST, UH, EDITION WAS THAT A REQUEST FOR A STUDY OF THE COMPENSATION BOARD, UH, FUNDING FOR THE OFFICE OF CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS.

AND WE'RE FOCUSED ON ASKING J LARK JOINT LEGISLATIVE AUDIT AND REVIEW COMMISSION TO DO A FULL, COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE COMPENSATION BOARD FUNDING, AS WELL AS THE FORMULAS THAT THEY USE TO ALLOCATE POSITIONS AND BONUSES AND ALL THAT STUFF RELATED, UH, WORK-BASED, UH, STAFFING STANDARDS, ET CETERA.

UM, WE'RE ASKING THIS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES THAT CAME UP RELATED TO BONUSES BEING GIVEN OUT TO STATE SUPPORTED VERSUS LOCAL SUPPORTED THE COUNTY HAS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BEEN HELPING TO SUPPORT POSITIONS FOR REALISTIC STAFFING.

AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE THE STATE'S RESPONSIBILITY TO FUND REALISTIC LEVELS OF STAFFING.

UM, I WILL SAY LOOKING BACK AT IT, UH, THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE STUDY THAT WAS DONE WAS OVER 30 YEARS AGO, AND A REPORT WAS ISSUED BY JLR IN 1990.

SO IT'S ABOUT TIME FOR ANOTHER ONE TO BE DONE.

UM, I WILL SAY OUR DELEGATE DID CARRY A REQUEST FOR A STUDY IN 2020 THAT DID GO TO J LARC.

THAT STUDY DID NOT GET CHOSEN BY JLR AS ONE OF THE STUDIES TO DO, BUT SO WE'RE ADDING IT INTO OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, ASKING THE STATE TO LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO ADD THIS AND ASK JLR TO PURSUE ANOTHER STUDY, MOVING INTO OUR FIRST, UH, POLICY POSITION, ADDITION IT RELATED TO THE UNFUNDED MANDATES.

WE JUST WANT TO END AND ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO KIND OF STRENGTHEN THE COUNTY'S POSITION RELATED TO UNFUNDED MANDATES.

OUR MAIN, UH, POSITION WITH THAT IS THEN OPPOSE ANY NEW UNFUNDED MANDATES AS WELL AS SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SUNSET CLAUSE FOR EXISTING MANDATES AND IN THE FUTURE.

UH, SO, UH, SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE ADDING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF OUR MANDATE IS ALTERED, SUSPEND THE MANDATE UNTIL YOU ADD FUNDING TO IT, OR WE'RE FUNDING WARS ARE SCORED, UH, WHEN I, UH, WHEN LEGISLATION OR A MANDATE, UH, IS PASSED, THAT IMPACTS US AS A LOCALITY THAT THE COMMONWEALTH SHOULD FOR THE, UH, COVERING THE COST OF THAT, UH, UH, MEETING THAT MANDATE, NOT PUTTING IT ON THE COUNTY TAXPAYERS TO HAVE TO MEET THAT MANDATE.

SOMETHING THAT WE'RE BEING IMPOSED ON US.

THE ADDITIONAL ONE IS TO OPPOSE ANY NEW REGULATIONS AND MANDATED SECURITY OR OTHER STANDARDS THAT INVOLVE SIGNIFICANTLY AND CONTINUALLY EVOLVING REQUIREMENTS WITHOUT PROVIDING DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCES TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

ALL RIGHT, NOW WE ESTIMATE HAS AN IMPACT OF OVER $7 MILLION, IF THAT STILL STANDS.

AND THAT'S JUST TODAY BASED ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED TODAY RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'VE ADDED THAT INTO THE LIST.

UH, JUST REMIND OUR DELEGATION THAT WE'RE WATCHING WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND OUR CITIZENS ARE WATCHING.

AND WE DO BELIEVE THE COMMONWEALTH SHOULD BE PICKING UP THE TAB ON THE NUMBERS OF THESE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE US HAVE TO DO MANDATES.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS TO ADD A NEW POLICY POSITION RELATED TO, UH, LEGISLATION CHANGES TO HELP WITH AGRITOURISM IN OUR,

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UH, AGRIBUSINESS COMMUNITY RELATED TO REGULATIONS THAT THEY'RE HAVING, UH, RELATED TO SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND FOOD SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.

OUR NUMBER OF OUR VENUES WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO A LOT MORE FOR LATE IN THE FOOD SPACE ARENA, EXCEPT FOR THEY'RE RUNNING UP AGAINST SOME REGULATIONS.

AND SO WE'RE ASKING OUR CON OUR DELEGATION JUST TO, UH, AS I LOOK AT REGULATIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, TO PUSH THAT, UH, OR TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE, REALLY THE THREE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE.

UM, WE DO HAVE COPIES OF THE FULL LEGISLATIVE AGENDA IS AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM AT YOUR SEAT AT THE DIOCESE, AS WELL AS COPIES OF THIS PRESENTATION.

THERE, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY, MAY HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU, MR. JEREMIAH BOARD MEMBERS.

WE'VE BEEN OVER IT SO MANY TIMES.

WE HAVE BEEN OVER IT A LOT.

UM, I GUESS IF I, IF THE NEWS REPORTS THAT I SAW THIS MORNING ARE CORRECT, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ARE, OUR LEGISLATORS ARE GOING TO BE IN A POSITION, MAYBE A BETTER POSITION THAN THEY ANTICIPATED, OR CERTAINLY BETTER POSITION THAN THEY WERE IN WHEN WE STARTED THIS, DOES THAT CHANGE? DOES THAT CHANGE OUR APPROACH ON THIS? DID WE GET MORE SPECIFIC WITH THEM ON SOME ASKS, I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE AND ALLOW ME TO, SO THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IF THE BOARD DOES TO CHOOSE TO, UH, ADOPT THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA TODAY, WOULD WE WOULD, UH, SHARE THIS, UH, WITH OUR DELEGATION VIA A TRANSMITTAL LETTER AND ASK THEM TO PURSUE THESE POLICY REQUESTS OR THESE POLICY POSITIONS, OR KEEP THEM IN MIND AS THEY DO VOTE AND LOOK AT BILLS? UH, IT DOES NOT MEAN WE CANNOT TALK WITH OUR DELEGATION ABOUT OTHER MATTERS THAT MAY COME UP OR THAT IF THE BOARD SO CHOOSES TO COME BACK AND MAYBE AMEND THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.

UH, SO BY ADOPTING IT TODAY, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS IS SET IN STONE AND YOU CAN'T REVISIT IT.

UM, I WILL ALSO MENTION THAT THE EARLY FILING BEGINS NOVEMBER 15TH, UH, FOR THE DELEGATE FOR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UH, AS THEY START WORKING ON FOR THE 20, 22 SESSION, HOW, HOW DO THEY TYPICALLY JUST FOR EDUCATION POINT, HOW DID THEY TYPICALLY ASK THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT BY LEGISLATION TO YOU? SO TH THAT WOULD BE, WAS ACTUALLY A, A STUDY REQUEST, A RESOLUTION, AND, UH, FOR RELATED TO DELEGATE, WHERE'S ACTUAL BILL THAT WENT TO THE RULES COMMITTEE AND THE ACTUAL, THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT TOOK IT UP, ACTUALLY CHOSE INSTEAD OF SENDING IT FULLY THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, LET IT STAY IN COMMITTEE, BUT THEY WROTE A LETTER TO JLR ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER THAT AS A STUDY.

SO IT'S SHORT CIRCUITED, THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, GOT IT OVER TO JAY INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE HOUSE AND ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE SENATE.

AND HOPEFULLY YOU'D MAKE IT THROUGH ALL THAT TO GET APPROVED, TO GET SENT TO JLR.

THEY SENT A LETTER ALONG WITH THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION SAYING, PLEASE CONSIDER THIS JLR STUDY COMMITTEE MET AND DID CONSIDER IT, BUT IT WAS NOT ONE OF THE ONES THAT THEY RECOMMENDED TO DO A STUDY AND, UH, 20, UH, 2021.

YEAH, NOT A FAIR CHANCE OF GETTING A JLR CUSTODY, BUT I WON'T, I DON'T WANT IT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME GOOD J JLR IS MADE UP OF REPRESENTATIVES OF BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.

AND, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CHANGES, THE MEMBERSHIP OF J LARC MAY CHANGE AS WELL.

SO NEVER HURTS TO ASK.

I WAS JUST GOING THROUGH VACO'S, UM, THEY HAVE A PRELIMINARY 20, 22, UM, AND THERE'S NOTHING A LOT STUCK SEVERAL OF OUR THINGS, A LOT IN SCHOOLS, THE SCHOOLS AND, AND THINGS WE HAVE ALIGNED WITH VACO, WHICH IS ALWAYS GOOD.

DO WE IN THE PAST, AND THIS IS MAYBE A QUESTION FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, DO WE SEND A TRANSMITTAL OF OUR COPY OF OUR TRANSMITTAL LETTER? DO WE ALSO INCLUDE VACO? NO, I WILL SAY WE HAVE NOT IN THE PAST, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

WE HEAR YOU, MS. MS. LAST NEW YEAR, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT IN THE PAST.

UM, AND I GUESS SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT IN THE FUTURE EITHER.

I MEAN, WHAT'S THE POINT.

FAIR ENOUGH.

ALRIGHT.

UM, SO ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS FOR MR. JEROME, RIGHT.

AND THIS IS A, UM, THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, UH, SO WE CAN DEFER IT OR WE CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE.

MR. CHAIR.

I, I DO THINK WE MAY WANT TO MAKE SOME REVISIONS TO THIS POSSIBLY, UH, DEPENDING ON THE MAKEUP OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THEM, REGARDLESS OF THE MAKEUP OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

UM,

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NONE OF THESE ARE GOING TO CHANGE.

WE STILL BELIEVE IN THESE.

I, I BELIEVE SO.

I'D LIKE TO MAYBE GET THESE OUT TO THEM AT THIS POINT, BUT, BUT POSSIBLY COME BACK AND AMEND IT, UM, TAKE IN CONSIDERATION, POSSIBLY TAKE A LOOK AT AMENDING IT, UM, IN NOVEMBER, I MEAN IN DECEMBER, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GET SOMETHING OUT TO THEM, UH, BECAUSE THEY ARE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT, UH, THEIR LEGISLATION.

IS THIS A YEAR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE BILL LIMITS? I HAVE NOT SEEN IN, DEPENDING ON HOW IT CHANGES, THAT MAY ALSO CHANGE AS THEY WORK ON THE RULES FOR, FOR THE SESSION.

UM, IT WILL BE A LONG SESSION.

SO BEEN LONG SESSIONS.

UM, THEY'RE STILL ACTUALLY IN SESSION RIGHT NOW.

TECHNICALLY.

YES, THEY ARE.

THEY'RE JUST IN RECESS.

UM, YEAH, SO, I MEAN, IF THEY DO IMPOSE BILL LIMITS, THEN EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE GET, UM, OUR, OUR REQUEST IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE US TO APPROVE AMENDED.

UH, I, I WOULD SAY IT LOOKS LIKE I'VE DONE IT.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AS THE AMENDED VERSION AS PRESENTED A SECOND TIME.

THANK YOU, MR. SHARP, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, SEEING NONE.

TURN YOUR MICS ON GREEN WHEN YOU'RE READY.

ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

IT'S UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU, MR. JOHN WRIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT.

OH, YOU DID.

TO GET US TO THIS POINT AND MAYBE VACO NEXT YEAR.

NEXT UP.

OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO PRESENT TO US, UM, ON 2021 REDISTRICT IN PROCESS AND A BELIEVER WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO CONSIDER ADOPTING SOME CRITERIA.

DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, JOANNE HUNTER, OUR GENERAL REGISTRAR, RYAN MULLIGAN, AND OUR GIS ANALYST, JONATHAN WORLEY.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. ALVAREZ.

I AM GOOCHLAND COUNTY ATTORNEY TARA MCGEE.

AND I AM BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON ON THE TOPIC OF THE 20, 20 REDISTRICT.

AND BEFORE I EVEN MOVE FORWARD, MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS, WHEN THEY HEAR THE WORD REDISTRICTING, PLEASE AT SCHOOL, CHILDREN ARE BEING MOVED FROM DIFFERENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

SO LET ME CLARIFY THAT THIS IS THE ELECTION DISTRICT REDISTRICTING PROCESS FROM THE 2020 CENSUS.

AND NO CHILDREN WILL CHANGE SCHOOLS AS A RESULT OF THIS PROCESS.

UH, OUR GIS DEPARTMENT NOW HAS THE CENSUS DATA THAT IS NEEDED TO DO THE 2021 REDISTRICTING.

THESE TWO MAPS, THE ONE ON THE LEFT FROM 2010.

AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT FROM 2020 ARE BEFORE YOU I'VE PUT THEM BEFORE YOU TODAY, SIMPLY TO SHOW YOU THAT THE CENSUS HAS ADOPTED THE BORDER THAT WE, UH, HAD THE COURT ESTABLISHED BETWEEN US AND LOUISA.

AND SO THERE'S A SLIGHT PHYSICAL DIFFERENCE IN THE UPPER, UH, IN OUR BORDER WITH LOUISA THAT LINE BECAUSE THE CENSUS ADOPTED THAT BORDER THAT WE HAD THE COURT ADOPT IN 2019.

SO THAT'S VERY GOOD NEWS FOR GOOCHLAND.

UM, AND FOR LOUISA POINTER UP THERE AND DO YOU WANT TO WORK? CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THAT CHANGE? UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE THE PINK IS.

IT COMES ALL THE WAY UP AND HOW THOSE LINES ARE MORE JAGGED THAN THEY ARE.

AND AGAIN, AS YOU FOLLOW DOWN, THIS DOESN'T COME TO THE SAME POINT THAT IT USED TO ON THE LEFT, RIGHT? MOST OF THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE, ON THE MORE NORTHERN PART OR WESTERN PART, THE CENSUS REPORTS, A TOTAL POPULATION FOR GOOCHLAND COUNTY OF 24,727, UH, A 12% INCREASE IN POPULATION FROM THE 2010 CENSUS.

WE ARE REQUIRED BY THE VIRGINIA CONSTITUTION TO REDISTRICT EVERY 10 YEARS.

AND WE NOW HAVE ALL THE DATA AND THE SOFTWARE NEEDED TO UNDERTAKE THAT PROCESS.

OUR ORIGINAL PLAN, FRANKLY, HAD BEEN TO WAIT FOR THE STATE TO DRAW THE LIST, THEIR ELECTION DISTRICT LINES, BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY PERCEIVED.

THEY WOULD COMPLETE THAT BY MID NOVEMBER, THAT HAS NOT GONE ACCORDING TO PLAN ACCORDINGLY.

WE NOW NEED TO START CREATING OUR LOCAL ELECTION DISTRICT LINES, WHICH WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO BASED ON THE CURRENT STATE LINES.

AND THAT IS LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE.

AND LET ME LET YOU KNOW THAT WHEN I SAY WE, THE REDISTRICTING TEAM FOR THE COUNTY CONSISTS OF MYSELF, INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MANNY ALVAREZ,

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WE ARE THE FOLKS WHO WILL BE UNDERTAKING THE WORK OF THE REDISTRICTING OR WHERE THE STAFF THAT'S BEFORE YOU ON THESE ISSUES.

LET ME JUST PUT UP OUR CURRENT ELECTION DISTRICT MAP.

THIS ONE SHOWS A LITTLE BETTER THAT THAT LINE BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE, WHICH WAS A LITTLE MUDDLED IN THE LAST MAP.

UM, I JUST WANT TO REMIND OUR CITIZENS THAT THE COUNTY HAS FIVE LOCAL ELECTION DISTRICTS AND OUR VOTERS ELECT ONE REPRESENTATIVE TO THIS BODY, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND ONE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD BASED ON THESE DISTRICTS.

NOW OUR 12% POPULATION INCREASE WAS NOT UNIFORM ACROSS THE FIVE DISTRICTS.

AND THE MAIN PURPOSE OF REDISTRICTING IS TO CREATE FIVE DISTRICTS WAS SUBSTANTIALLY EQUAL IN POPULATION.

THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS USES A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NUMBER FOR THE POPULATION OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY.

IT IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO REALLOCATE THE PRISON POPULATION THAT PRISONERS THAT ARE IN GOOCHLAND ARE REALLOCATED OFTEN BACK TO THEIR OWN JURISDICTIONS.

AND SO OUR ADJUSTED POPULATION NUMBER THAT IS USED FOR THE 2020 REDISTRICTING, EXCUSE ME, 2021, REDISTRICTING IS 24,149.

AND A SIMPLE MATH PROBLEM DIVIDING THAT BY FIVE GIVES YOU A TARGET OF 4,830 PEOPLE PER DISTRICT.

SO THAT'S THE TARGET WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR BASED ON THAT BACKDROP, LET ME THE NEXT GO THROUGH.

THERE ARE TWO TOPICS.

ONE IS THE CRITERIA.

AND THEN AS THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

SO LET ME START WITH THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.

I HAVE PRESENTED THIS TO YOU IN THE CITIZENS BEFORE THE PREDOMINANT GOAL OF REDISTRICTING IS TO HAVE DISTRICTS THAT ARE SUBSTANTIALLY EQUAL IN POPULATION.

AND THE SUPREME COURT PUTS SUBSTANTIALLY EQUAL AT PLUS OR MINUS 5% AMONGST THE DISTRICTS ARE A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO HAVE CONTIGUOUS AND COMPACT DISTRICTS MEANS THAT THEY ARE TO BE ADJACENT AND PACKED TOGETHER AS THE DEFINITIONS OF THOSE TWO WORDS.

OUR THIRD LEGAL REQUIREMENT IS THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE RACE, BE A PREDOMINANT FACTOR IN THE CREATION OF ANY, UH, DISTRICT OR IN ANY REDISTRICTING DECISION.

WE CAN'T DRAW A DISTRICT IN ORDER TO DILUTE A CERTAIN VOTERS IN A DISTRICT OR TO CONCENTRATE THEM, TO CREATE A MAJORITY.

OUR FOURTH LEGAL REQUIREMENT IS THAT WE HAVE CLEARLY OBSERVABLE BOUNDARIES AND I'VE DESCRIBED IN THE PAST.

THESE ARE FOR OUR DISTRICT OR PRECINCT LINES.

THEY INCLUDE STREETS, ROADS, HIGHWAYS, RIVERS.

ONE THING I DIDN'T CLARIFY LAST TIME I SPOKE ABOUT THIS IS WE'RE ALSO OBLIGATED TO USE THE CENSUS BLOCKS THAT ARE CREATED BY THE CENSUS BUREAU.

THE CENSUS BUREAU CREATED 730 BLOCKS IN GOOCHLAND, AND IT'S WITHIN THE BLOCKS THAT THEY IDENTIFY HOW MANY VOTERS THERE ARE IN EACH BLOCK AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS.

WE ARE OBLIGATED NOT TO SPLIT UP A CENSUS BLOCK.

AND SO THE BLOCKS ARE ALSO USED CLEARLY OBSERVABLE BOUNDARIES, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE THAT I DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT.

LAST TIME I DISCUSSED THIS.

WE'RE ALL LEARNING ABOUT THIS PROCESS AS WE GO THROUGH IT.

UH, THE FIFTH IS WE ARE REQUIRED TO CONSIDER STATE ELECTION DISTRICTS.

WE CAN USE THE LINES THAT ARE IN EXISTENCE TODAY, AND WHAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IS HAVE A PRECINCT CROSS THE DISTRICT LINES.

SO OUR PROPOSAL IS TO USE THE LENS WE'RE AWARE OF TODAY, THERE ONE STATE ELECTION DISTRICT LINE THAT GOES THROUGH GOOCHLAND, AND THEN IF NECESSARY IT WANTS THE STATE ACTUALLY DOES ADOPT ITS LINES, WE COULD ADJUST IF WE NEED TO.

THAT IS HOW THE PROCESS WENT FORWARD IN 2011.

THIS NEXT SLIDE, I'LL COME BACK TO LATER FOR A DISCUSSION WITH YOU.

ALL.

THESE ARE THE ADDITIONAL PERMISSIBLE CRITERIA THAT ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO BE CONSIDERED NOT REQUIRED, BUT ALLOWED.

AND THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT STAFF IS SEEKING SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU ON, AS I SAID, I'LL BRING IT UP AT THE END SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

UH, ONE OF THE GOALS WOULD, MIGHT BE TO MOVE THE FEWEST NUMBERS OF VOTERS BETWEEN DISTRICTS AND PRECINCTS TO MINIMIZE VOTER DISRUPTION.

THAT WAS ONE THAT WE ACTUALLY SAW IS WE'VE REVIEWED THE 2011 PROCESS.

THAT WAS THE, THE, ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS IN DURING THAT PROCESS.

AND IT DOES ALLOW YOUR VOTERS TO GET, KEEP THE IDENTITY OF THE DISTRICT THAT THEY BELONG IN, AS WELL AS I SAID TO BE, UM, NOT BE DISRUPTIVE.

A SECOND PERMISSIBLE GOAL IS TO RETAIN THE SAME BASIC SHAPE OF THE CURRENT DISTRICTS THAT PROVIDES A STARTING POINT FOR ANY MAP, AS OPPOSED TO JUST THROWING IT ALL OUT THERE AND STARTING WITH A BLOB OR SOMETHING.

IT'S ALSO GOING TO SUPPORT THE GOAL OF ALLOWING VOTERS TO STAY WITHIN THEIR SAME DISTRICTS.

IF POSSIBLE.

THE THIRD PERMISSIBLE GOAL IS TO KEEP RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE SAME SUBDIVISION IN THE SAME DISTRICT YOU HEAR FROM THE ELECTORAL BOARD AND THE GENERAL REGISTRAR THAT, THAT MINIMIZES VOTER CONFUSION.

IF EVERYONE IN THE SAME SUBDIVISION IS GOING TO HAVE THE SAME CHOICES FOR CANDIDATES, BUT I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT STAFF CHOSE TO PUT IN FRONT OF YOU.

AS IN THIS CRITERIA, THE WORD SUBDIVISIONS, A WORDS SUCH AS NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES

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HAVE ALSO BEEN LEGALLY APPROVED, BUT THOSE ARE MUCH MORE, UH, UH, SUBJECTIVE CRITERIA OR AS A SUBDIVISION, YOU CAN FIND ON A SUBDIVISION MAP.

AND SO IT'S AN OBJECTIVE CRITERIA.

WE HAVE MANY CITIZENS WHO APPRECIATE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA.

DON'T WE? MR. LA, JUST ASK HIM AND THE FOURTH LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE CRITERIA IN THE FOURTH.

AND I'M PUTTING BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO PREVENT PROTECT INCUMBENTS AND AVOID THE PAIRING OF INCUMBENTS THAT IS BEEN APPROVED BY THE COURTS AS LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE.

AS I SAID, I'LL, I'LL BRING THESE UP BEFORE YOU LATER IN THE PRESENTATION FOR A DISCUSSION ON THEM.

THE NEXT SLIDE IS GOES BACK TO LEGAL REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THESE, WHILE WE THINK ABOUT THE CREATION OF THE FIVE ELECTION DISTRICTS, AS THE BIGGEST TASK BEFORE US, EACH ELECTION DISTRICT ALSO HAS A POLLING PLACE IN OR PRECINCTS FACT IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY TODAY, EACH ELECTION DISTRICT HAPPENS TO HAS TWO PRECINCTS.

EACH OF WHICH HAS A POLLING PLACE WHERE MANY OF OUR VOTERS WENT YESTERDAY TO CAST THEIR BALLOTS.

AND SO WE WILL BE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT PRECINCT REQUIREMENTS AND PULLING PLACE REQUIREMENTS.

AS WE'RE CREATING THOSE DISTRICTS, THEN THERE'S JUST A FEW PRECINCTS HAVE TO HAVE BETWEEN 105,000 REGISTERED VOTERS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S A VOTER NUMBER, NOT A POPULATION NUMBER.

EACH PRECINCT HAS TO HAVE AN AVAILABLE POLLING PLACE.

COUNTY BUILDINGS ARE PERMISSIBLE.

OTHER BUILDINGS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THAT STATE LAW ABOUT NO SPLIT PRECINCTS.

AND THEN THE PRECINCT LINES LIKE THE ELECTION DISTRICT LINES HAVE TO FOLLOW CLEARLY.

OBSERVABLE BOUNDARIES ALSO HAVE TO BE BROKEN INTO CENSUS BLOCKS.

SO WE TALK ABOUT THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.

THEY'RE BOTH THE ONES FOR ELECTION DISTRICTS AND THE ONES HERE FOR PRECINCTS AND POLLING PLACES.

THE NEXT HALF OF MY DISCUSSION IS ABOUT A PROPOSED REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

GENERALLY, THE STAFF STARTED WITH LOOKING AT WHAT THE 2011 REDISTRICTING PROCESS WAS.

AND THEN WE ESTABLISHED PRIMARY GOALS FOR THE PROCESS THAT TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNITY INPUT WITH THAT, WE CAME UP WITH WHAT I BROKEN DOWN INTO THREE STEPS OF A PROCESS.

THE GIS DEPARTMENT IS NOW DEPARTMENT.

JOHN WORLEY IS NOW LEARNING HOW TO USE THE REDISTRICTING SOFTWARE.

AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT INFORMATION INTO THAT REDISTRICTING SOFTWARE TO CREATE WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL THE BASE MAP AND A BASE MAP THAT'S CREATED SOLELY FROM THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, BOTH THE ELECTION DISTRICT AND THE PRECINCT REQUIREMENTS, AND SAY, PUT THAT IN THERE.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE THEN TO HAVE THE STAFF REVIEW THAT BASE MAP TO CONSIDER THE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA THAT WE LOOKED AT, FOR INSTANCE, ARE WE UNNECESSARILY MOVING VOTERS FROM ONE DISTRICT TO ANOTHER AND SO FORTH? ONCE WE HAVE DONE THAT, WE THEN WOULD HAVE WHAT I WOULD CALL A PROPOSED REDISTRICTING MAP FOR CONSIDERATION.

WE INTEND FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT PROPOSED MAP.

AND THAT COULD BE DONE EITHER AT A MEETING WITH STAFF OR AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

AGAIN, AS WE DISCUSSED THE PROCESS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, I'LL SEEK YOUR GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK ON THAT.

THE GENERAL PLAN IS TO PUT THE PROPOSED REDISTRICT MAP ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE PUBLIC, AND WE BELIEVE THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER.

UM, SO THAT IS THE CREATION OF THE PROPOSED MAP.

THE SECOND STEP IN THE PROCESS IS TO OBTAIN THE COMMUNITY INPUT.

SO I'VE TOLD YOU WE'D PUT THE MAP ON THE REDISTRICTING WEBSITE, IT'S REQUIRED BY LAW TO BE POSTED THERE AND TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT FOR AT LEAST 30 DAYS.

WE BELIEVE SINCE WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT UP IN DECEMBER, BUT THEN NOT TRY AND PULL OUR RESIDENTS AWAY FROM THEIR HOLIDAY FESTIVITIES IN ORDER TO ATTEND MEETINGS, THAT IT WILL BE UP THERE FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS, GOD, LESS, BUT NOT ONLY WILL IT BE UP THERE.

IT WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR PUBLIC TO PUT COMMENTS ON THE WEBSITE FOR THEIR COMMENTS ABOUT THE REDISTRICTING THAT THEY CAN CREATE AT HOME AND IN THEIR OWN TIME THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT IT FOR HOURS ON END, IF NECESSARY, MAKE DATA CONTRIBUTION, UM, ANALYSIS OF IT, AND THEN PUT THEIR COMMENTS ON IT IN A PUBLIC THAT IS NOT A PART OF WHAT THE 2011 PROCESS WAS, BUT WE THINK IT JUST HITS THAT TRANSPARENCY AND IT IS WITHIN WHAT OUR IT DEPARTMENT CAN HANDLE FOR THIS PROCESS.

WE THEN EXPECT FOR THERE TO BE THREE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, IN JANUARY, UH, THE THREE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WOULD BE HELD WITHIN THE EASTERN CENTRAL AND WESTERN PARTS OF THE COUNTY.

AND WE ALSO INCLUDE VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION THAT TODAY W THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THAT TYPE OF PARTICIPATION.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE, EVEN IF THEY COULDN'T HAPPEN TO, TO BE IN PERSON ON ONE OF THOSE DAYS.

AND WE ARE GOING TO USE EVERY WAY THAT WE CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT THOSE MEETINGS TO OUR COMMUNITY POSTCARDS, TO EVERY RESIDENT.

THAT IS A MANNER THAT WAS USED IN 2011 ADS IN THE CASSETTE, AS WE DID FOR OUR RECENT COMMUNITY MEETINGS FOR REDISTRICTING.

AND THEN OUR SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE MEETINGS WILL BE TRANSCRIBED AND THEN THEY WILL ACTUALLY BE POSTED ON

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THE REDISTRICTING WEBSITE AS WELL.

NOW WE'RE NOT PREVENTING ANY RESIDENT FROM SENDING US AN EMAIL OR EVEN HEAVEN FORBID SNAIL MAIL IN THE FORM OF A LETTER.

THOSE ARE WELCOME AS WELL, BUT THEY'D GET POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.

WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE ABOUT THE PROPOSED MAP AND THAT THE GREATEST TRANSPARENCY IS TO HAVE ALL THOSE COMMENTS AVAILABLE.

I SPENT SEVERAL HOURS ALREADY REVIEWING THE TRANSCRIPTS THAT WERE MADE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM 2011 WHEN IN FACT SEVERAL RESIDENTS SAID, BUT NOBODY CAN HEAR WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.

AND THOSE COMMENTS WERE TRANSCRIBED AND PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AT A MEETING, BUT THEY WEREN'T POSTED ON THE WEBSITE AT THAT TIME.

SO THERE'S AN EXTRA LAYER OF TRANSPARENCY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO INTRODUCING TO THE 2021 PROCESS.

SO THAT ALL COMMENTS WE RECEIVED THEN GET PUT ON THAT WEBSITE AND ARE AVAILABLE.

WE ARE AWARE THAT SOME RESIDENTS HAVE REQUESTED A CITIZEN COMMITTEE FOR REDISTRICTING.

WE CHECKED THE 2011 PROCESS, AND THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE.

THEN WE ALSO BENCHMARKED WITH SOME OTHER LOCALITIES AND LOCALITIES ARE NOT TYPICALLY CREATING A CITIZEN COMMITTEE FOR THIS PROCESS, BUT ULTIMATELY WE CONSIDERED WHETHER OR NOT TO RECOMMEND A CITIZEN COMMITTEE TO YOU.

AND WE DETERMINED THAT A CITIZEN COMMITTEE, IT GIVES CERTAIN RESIDENTS MORE SAY IN THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS THAN OTHERS.

AND THAT WASN'T A GOAL THAT WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE BELIEVE THE PROPOSED PROCESS ALLOWS AN EQUAL LEVEL OF INPUT FROM EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT ALL THAT INPUT IS THEN PUBLICLY SHARED.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO HAVE A CITIZEN COMMITTEE, BUT TO ALLOW ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INPUT IN THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS AFTER ALL THE COMMUNITY INPUT, THE THIRD STEP THEN IN THE PROCESS WOULD BE TO SEE IF WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MAP AS WAS PROPOSED BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE CRITERIA THAT GET ADOPTED.

IF NEW STATE LINES ARE AVAILABLE BY THEN, WE CAN MAKE ANY CHANGES NEEDED.

FOR THOSE.

REMEMBER THAT THAT POTENTIALLY ARE ONLY PRECINCT CHANGES BECAUSE THAT'S, WHAT'S AFFECTED BY THE STATE LINES, BUT ALL CHANGES THEN GET INCORPORATED INTO A PROPOSED FINAL MAP.

AND THE PROPOSED FINAL MAP IS GOING TO BE ON THE WEBSITE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AT LEAST 15 DAYS.

THAT TIMEFRAME IS ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED UNDER THE VIRGINIA VOTERS RIGHTS ACT.

THAT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 15 DAYS, BUT THEN TO BRING THE FINAL MAP BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION OF THE MAP, AS WELL AS THE ORDINANCE THAT IDENTIFIES DISTRICTS, WE'RE ANTICIPATING AT THIS TIME THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE BEFORE THE BOARD IN APRIL OF 2022.

AND THIS OUTLINED PROCESS COMPLIES WITH THE VIRGINIA VOTING RIGHTS ACT, FOLLOWING THE TWO, THE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO COMPLY WITH THAT ACT.

WE'RE CHOOSING TO FOLLOW THE ONE THAT HAS THE MOST PUBLIC PROCESS THAT HAS THAT REQUIREMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON YOUR WEBSITE, AS OPPOSED TO THE SECOND AVENUE, WHICH WOULD BE TO MAKE THE MAP CHANGE AND THEN SUBMIT IT TO THE AIG FOR, UM, THE AGS APPROVAL.

THIS ONE IS A MORE TRANSPARENT PROCESS.

SO I AM NOW GOING TO LET YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE SAID THAT I'M GOING TO, WE'RE SEEKING THE STAFF AT SEEKING BOARD APPROVAL OF THE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA AND THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

I DO HAVE THIS SUMMARY SLIDE OF BOTH OF THOSE, UM, TO INVITE YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND TO OBTAIN YOUR FEEDBACK ON BOTH OF THESE FOR STAFF TO FOLLOW.

THANK YOU, MS. UM, ANYBODY WANT TO, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MISS, LAST QUESTION.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

SO I BELIEVE HE DID MENTION ON ITEM THREE SUBDIVISIONS.

WE REALLY DO MEAN SUBDIVISIONS, UH, NOT NECESSARILY NEIGHBORHOODS OR, WELL, LET'S SAY NOT EVEN A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT JUST LIVE ON THE SAME STREET OR LIKE I THINK, YES, WE DECIDED AGAIN, WE LOOKED INTO BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES AND REALIZE THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, A VERY DIFFERENT IDEA OF WHAT, WHO LIVES IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF YOU LIVE IN THE, IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, ARE YOU ALL IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, ARE YOU ALL IN THE SAME COMMUNITY? AND SO, UM, WE DIDN'T EVEN FEEL AS A STAFF, WE CAN NECESSARILY IDENTIFY EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY.

SO WE CHOSE TO USE SUBDIVISION AS WE, AS AT LEAST AS PROPOSED TO YOU, BUT OKAY.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, KEEP GOING.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE CASES YOU REFERENCED WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE NOMINATING, UM, WAS I WAS REVIEWING THE INFORMATION IN 2011 AND THE CRITERIA THAT WAS USED AS THEY SPOKE AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, PROTECTING INCUMBENTS AND AVOIDING THE PAIRING OF INCUMBENTS WAS LISTED AS ONE OF THE PERMISSIBLE CRITERIA.

SO AN ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

UM, I KNOW THAT THE, UM, VIRGINIA, THERE'VE BEEN SOME CASES, UM, IN VIRGINIA THAT HAVE, UM, NOT PROTECTED INCUMBENTS IN THE NOMINATING PROCESS.

UM, HOW DOES THAT APPLY HERE? I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT TO FOLLOW THE CRITERIA, UH, BUT NOT, NOT NECESSARILY PROTECT, UH, AN INCUMBENT.

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AND IT SOMETIMES IN THE COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SIMPLY SAID THAT THAT THAT IS PERMISSIBLE.

UM, SO WE PUT IT ON THIS SLIDE AS A PERMISSIBLE CRITERIA.

IT IS BEEN LAW ALLOWED BY LAW, WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD CHOOSES TO DO IT IS, UM, TO YOU ALL, BUT IT WAS LISTED AS A PERMISSIBLE GRADE TWO.

SO IT'S, IT IS OPTIONAL AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE OTHER CRITERIA THAT'S REQUIRED.

THE FOUR CRITERIA I'VE PUT BEFORE YOU ARE THE OPTIONAL ONES, RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE SEEK YOUR DIRECTION.

THE LEGAL CRITERIA ARE, UM, ONES THAT WE SHOULD FOLLOW AS A MATTER OF LAW, BUT THESE ARE OPTIONAL.

WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVE A DEFINITE OPINION LOOPS CUT ME OFF THE RED LIGHT.

APPARENTLY THE LEAST, UH, NO, I HAVE A DEFINITE OPINION ON, ON THAT ITEM AND I DO NOT BELIEVE WE SHOULD INCLUDE IT.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER FOUR, REMOVE NUMBER FOUR.

AND THAT'S WITH RESPECT TO THE CRITERIA SECTION, WHICH IS, IT IS THE ONLY NUMBER FOUR.

OTHER THOUGHTS DISCUSSION.

DEFINITELY.

WE, NOPE.

I'M NOT.

UM, THANK YOU FOR GOING UP.

THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.

THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON.

SO FOR ME, I THINK I, I AGREE WITH MISS LASCAUX.

I, I FEEL LIKE ALL THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL LIVE ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE ROAD OR IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AND WE HAVE, THERE'S GOING TO, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

I MEAN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE, BUT I FEEL LIKE IF WE WERE ALLOW NUMBER FOUR, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE ABLE TO, IT WOULD LEND TO US POTENTIALLY MAKING BAD DECISIONS OR DECISIONS THAT COULD BE SEEN AS MORE OF A, YOU JUST USE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

GERRYMANDERING.

AND I, I, I KNOW MYSELF, I WANT TO AVOID THAT AT ALL COSTS.

SO I AGREE WITH MS. BLASTO AT THAT, THAT JUST SEEMS TO, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT FOR, AND LET ME JUST SAY ONE THING TOO, IF I MAY ABOUT THE CRITERIA WHEN, ESPECIALLY THE SAME SUBDIVISION, SAME DISTRICT, IT IS POSSIBLE.

WE WON'T BE ABLE TO, IN SOME WAY, GIVEN HOW THE CENSUS BLOCK IS DRAWN OR SOMETHING, BUT AT LEAST YOU WOULD KNOW IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO DO.

UM, AND THEN IF WE AREN'T ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, BUT IT'S BEEN A CRITERIA THAT WOULD ALLOW STAFF TO TRY AND ACHIEVE THAT GOAL.

A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION REGARDING THE COMMENT PERIOD OR THE COMMENTS ON ONLINE, YOU DON'T GO A LITTLE DEEPER ON LIKE, HOW'S THAT GOING TO BE? IS IT JUST GONNA BE LIKE, LIKE A SOCIAL MEDIA TYPE POST OR LET IT BE, YOU KNOW, ALMOST SIMILAR TO COMING TO A VIRTUAL MIC, GIVING YOUR NAME AND THEN PROVIDING YOUR COMMENT I'VE WORKED WITH, UM, OUR, IT DIRECTOR ALREADY HAD BE ABLE TO OFFER THIS AND HE HAS SOMETHING SET UP AND I AM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU THE TECHNOLOGICAL WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.

BUT, UM, FOR, FOR MY LEVEL, UH, SOMETHING AKIN TO LIKE AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET WHERE SOMEONE THERE'D BE A FORM THAT SOMEONE COULD FILL IN, SO THEY WOULD PROVIDE THEIR NAME, UM, POTENTIALLY THEIR ADDRESS AND THEIR COMMENTS.

AND THAT WOULD AUTOFILL ONTO THE WEBSITE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, I HADN'T DISCUSSED WITH HIM EXACTLY HOW WE'LL DO THE TRANSCRIPTS OR THE OTHERS.

MY THOUGHT IS THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO NEED, IF WE GOT EMAILS OR LETTERS, I THINK THOSE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE SCANNED IN AND PUT IN.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A LOT OF STAFF TIME FOR THOSE TO ACTUALLY BE, TRY AND READ TYPED INTO THAT XL.

SO MY VISION IS THAT EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT ANYBODY AT MIDNIGHT ON A TUESDAY COULD DECIDE TO PUT IN.

HERE'S WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT, UM, TO THE TRANSCRIPT BEING SCANNED IN AND SEE WHO, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL HAVE THE PERSON'S NAME AND THEIR COMMENT AS WELL AS IF THERE'S A LETTER, AN EMAIL TO HAVE THAT SCANNED IN.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE AGAIN, AN IDENTIFIED PERSON AND THEIR COMMENT.

SO MY THAT'S MY VISION OF THE THREE THINGS FOR ALL VIEWERS TO SEE PRIOR COMMENTS.

THAT CERTAINLY THERE WOULD BE NOTHING WHERE WE WOULD ALLOW A COMMENT TO REMAIN THAT USES, UH, TH THAT'S OFF TOPIC, FOR INSTANCE, SOMEBODY JUST PUTS UP, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT MIGHT.

PRIOR WHO COMMENTED WHEN THEY COMMENTED AND THEIR COMMENTS, THAT'S CORRECT VERY MUCH, VERY MUCH WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.

UM, BUT THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME MONITORING OF IT.

I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT IT TO TURN INTO A SCREAMING MATCH KIND OF BACK AND FORTH THING, BUT THAT, OKAY, THAT'S SORT OF MY FOLLOWUP, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, SO IN MY OTHER JOB, I MANAGE A LOT OF W OUR TEAM MANAGES A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME REGULATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN CAN YOU PULL OFF A COMMENT OR, AND WHEN SHOULD YOU, YES.

SO I BELIEVE I REMEMBER A CLASS TAUGHT BY SOMEBODY PHENOMENAL, UH, TALKING ABOUT OUR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES THAT ARE DESIGNATED FOR COUNTY BUSINESS.

THERE'S THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.

SO CAN YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT

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UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MONITORED TO BE TAKEN DOWN.

IN ADDITION, UM, YOU KNOW, CURSING AND POOR LANGUAGE ARE NOT ALLOWED.

WHAT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY TO KNOW IS THAT A COMMENT WILL NOT BE REMOVED IF IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

AGAIN, YOU SAY THERE COULD BE SOME BACK AND FORTH.

I DON'T ANTICIPATE THERE BEING NAMED CALLING BETWEEN COMMENT X AND COMMENT.

WHY, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THAT SORT OF REPLY, BUT SHOULD THERE BE THAT TYPE OF THING THAT THE INFORMATION WOULD BE THERE TO CONTACT THE INDIVIDUAL, MADE IT TO ASK THEM NOT TO, AND AGAIN, TO HAVE SOME MONITORING THAT, BUT EVEN IF IT'S MONITORED, IF WE REMOVED SOMETHING, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT UNLESS IT IS LIKE THAT CURSE WORD, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD KEEP A RECORD OF THIS WAS ONLY REMOVED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT HAD F AND F A COUPLE OF OTHER LETTERS TOGETHER THAT SHOULDN'T BE USED IN A PUBLIC DISCOURSE, NOT BECAUSE OF ANY VIEWPOINT THAT WAS CONTAINED.

SO, UM, ANY THOUGHTS ON CRITERIA DOWN THIS WAY ON ONE LOOKS, SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS MORE REMOVING PROTECTING COMMENTS.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON RETAIN BASIC SHAPE, BUT WHAT ARE, Y'ALL GOING TO DO THAT? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? YEAH.

MR. CHAIR.

I HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK.

UM, YEAH.

AND THE PROTECTION OF THE INCUMBENTS.

I, I BASICALLY, I TRUST THE CITIZENS CAN FIND THAT IDENTIFY AND ELECT GOOD LEADERS IN EVERY DISTRICT, NO MATTER HOW THEY'RE DRAWN.

SO I DON'T SEEK ANY PERSONAL PROTECTION.

THAT'S NOT ABOUT ME THAT COUNTY'S BIGGER THAN I AM.

SO, UM, I'D AGREE WITH THAT.

THE OTHER THING IS A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS ACTUALLY.

UM, JUST, YOU TOUCHED ON IT VERY BRIEFLY, BUT THERE'S A WORKING GROUP RIGHT NOW, AND YOU'VE MENTIONED THE PEOPLE ON NETWORKING GROUP, AND I GUESS MOST NOTABLY HAD NOBODY ON THAT WORKING GROUP IS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, UM, WITH ALL OF THESE RULES THAT YOU WENT THROUGH LEGAL REQUIREMENTS CODE, THIS, IT STRIKES ME, THERE'S VERY LITTLE DISCRETION THERE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

I MEAN, THIS BASE MAP IS GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THESE GUARDRAILS.

AND BY THE TIME YOU COME UP WITH ALL OF THAT, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF DISCRETION TO JUST WHOLESALE CHANGE.

THE MAP IS GOING TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS YOU MENTIONED.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT IN MY REVIEW OF ALL THIS, IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE ALL THESE GUARD RAILS BECAUSE IT TAKES DISCRETION OUT OF IT.

AND IT JUST SAYS, HERE'S YOUR COMPLIANT MAP, AND WE'LL START WITH THAT AND THEN GO FROM THERE.

BUT HAVING DONE ALL THAT AND GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT YOU LISTED, WHICH IS, I THINK VERY HELPFUL TO SHARE THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROCESS WITH EVERYBODY.

SO WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE STAND.

ONE OF MY CONTINUED CONCERNS IS WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF THE DAY, BUT WE GO, AH, THERE IT IS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND PULL THE SILVER BOWL OFF THE TOP AND THERE'S OUR MEAL.

UM, THEN I'M ASSUMING EVENTUALLY THE STATE AND FEDERAL DISTRICTS WILL BE DRAWN AT SOME POINT WHEN THEY, AND SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS AND THAT WILL BE SUPER IMPOSED AND THAT MAY DRIVE, OKAY, WE FINISHED OUR, AND NOW WE HAVE TO START OVER, NOT START OVER, BUT NOW WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND ADJUST AGAIN.

AND I WOULDN'T WANT THE CITIZENS TO VIEW THAT LAST PIECE OF SOMETHING WHERE THIS BOARD IS WEIGHING IN TO CHANGE THINGS IT'S BEING DONE TO US BY THE SUPERIMPOSED.

UH, SO I CONTINUE TO, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE AND GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT BY GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF THIS, AT SOME POINT, THERE'LL BE A TRUE-UP PROCESS TO THAT IS OUT OF OUR MR. PETERSON.

WE GAVE OUT A GREAT DEAL OF THOUGHT, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE IT WAS OUR ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION TO WAIT WHEN MY EASILY, WE THOUGHT WE'D HAVE SOMETHING BY MID NOVEMBER.

AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS LOOKED AROUND THE REGION AND AROUND THE STATE, AND MOST LOCALITIES ARE DOING EXACTLY AS WE ARE.

AND GIVEN THAT THE TRUE-UP HAS TO BE AN ESSENCE OF PRECINCT LINE, IT COULD AFFECT A DISTRICT LINE, BUT, UM, AND THAT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE NOW THAT GOES THROUGH GOOCHLAND THAT WE HAVE TO HONOR, AND IT GOES RIGHT THROUGH DISTRICTS THREE, BUT WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE PRECINCTS THERE.

SO WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE.

WE JUST THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO UNDERTAKE THE WORK OF REDISTRICTING AND TRUE UP LATER, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN 2011 ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH.

AND THAT IS WHAT, UH, US, OUR NEIGHBORS IN THE JURISDICTIONS THAT I'M AWARE OF ARE DOING TODAY.

NO, I APPRECIATE IT.

THEN I, AND I THINK WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY, BY PROCEEDING.

UM, IT'S REALLY JUST A CAUTIONARY TALE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

WHAT'S FINAL.

IT MAY NOT BE FINAL, BE A FINAL DRAFT, SO.

THE BASIC SHAPE I'LL GIVE YOU, I'LL GIVE YOU MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

IT'S ALL AHEAD.

I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT RETAIN DISTRICT SHAPE THOUGHTS ON THAT.

UM, I, I'M JUST NOT SURE WHEN I LOOK AT THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY WHERE THE GROWTH IS, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT EXACTLY DOES IT MEAN TO RETAIN

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UM, OR EVEN STAFF'S, CAUSE WE'VE DISCUSSED IT AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD, AND WE'VE ONLY HAD TWO, BUT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, DO WE GO AHEAD AS THEY'RE GENERALLY LINES FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH AND THE, BETWEEN THE DISTRICT ONE, TWO AND THREE, AND THEN LINE THAT GOES EAST TO WEST AND FOUR AND FIVE, YOU KNOW, IS THAT GENERALLY WHAT GOOCHLAND COUNTY STILL LOOKS LIKE? UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF WHAT OUR THOUGHT HAS BEEN WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT IS NOW.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THAT WOULD BE, YOU DON'T SUDDENLY HAVE FIVE STRIPES ACROSS GOOCHLAND TO MAKE KNOCK, KNOCK BACK UP CLEAR.

I THINK, I MEAN, I, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND IT MAKES SENSE EXCEPT WHEN YOU GET TO, WHEN YOU GET TO FOUR AND FIVE, TO ME, YEAH.

THE MOST GROWTH HAS OCCURRED IN FOUR AND FIVE.

AND SO TO ME, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RETAIN THE SAME BASIC SHAPES IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BECOME NOT AS WIDE AS THEY ARE TODAY, BUT THEY ARE STILL GOING TO BE SPLIT NORTH AND SOUTH ON THE, IN THE COUNTY.

SO THAT RETAINS DESIRABLE.

THAT'S MY QUESTION.

IS THAT A GOOD IDEA? IF YOU LOOK AT, WITH MASCULINE, IF YOU LOOK AT DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT THREE NEEDS THE MOST, UM, PEOPLE AT IT, YOU KNOW, THEY ORIGINALLY HAD THE PRISON LIKE, OKAY.

UH, THEY, THEY USUALLY USED TO HAVE THE PRISON.

ARE THERE, THERE WAS AT ONE POINT IT WAS FULLY UTILIZED.

NOW THERE'S ONLY A FEW, FEW FOLKS THERE AND THEY'VE BEEN ALLOCATED TO THEIR LOCALITY.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT DISTRICT THREE, UH, DISTRICT, WHO'S GOING TO NEED, UH, THINK ABOUT 500 PEOPLE THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO TAKE FROM DISTRICT THREE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TAKE IT FROM ONE CAUSE ONE ALSO NEEDS A HUNDRED PEOPLE.

SO, SO THE MOST, UM, I GUESS THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION WOULD BE FOR DISTRICT THREE TO EXPAND TO THE EAST AND PICK UP DISTRICT FOUR AND FIVE, I THINK BETWEEN THEM 1700 PEOPLE, TOO MANY.

SO THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE, UH, I DON'T HAVE A POINTER, BUT THEY WOULD BE PROVIDING, UH, CITIZENS TO DISTRICT THREE RIBS.

SO IN ORDER TO, UM, TO FILL DISTRICT THREE, SO I, TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SIMPLEST WAY WITHOUT CHECKING SO THAT YOU MIGHT SEE A LINE FOR FOUR AND FIVE COME DOWN HERE, BUT THAT STILL RETAINS THE SAME BASIC SHAPE.

YOU DON'T SUDDENLY HAVE DISTRICT THREE AND THEN FOUR AND FIVE SPLIT INTO TWO, LIKE RIGHT HERE WITH FOUR TO THE LEFT OF MY DOT AND FIVE TO THE RIGHT.

SO THAT WOULD NOT BE RETAINING THE SAME THING.

THE BOUNDARIES NEED TO MOVE ALL THE VERTICAL BOUNDARIES NEED TO MOVE EAST, CORRECT TO A CERTAIN, HOW MANY, HOW MANY DOES DISTRICT ONE NEED TO PICK UP APPROXIMATELY 132 TO 425, MAYBE FOUR.

WELL, IF IT'S A HUNDRED AND SOME THAT'S COMING FROM DISTRICT TO EARTH, THEN THAT ADDS TO WHAT DISTRICTS WHO NEEDS TO PICK UP.

SO DISTRICT, DO THEY NEED SOMETHING 547 AFTER IT GIVES UP THE A HUNDRED AND SOME TOTAL? YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S NEED WITHOUT CHANGING ANYTHING IS OVER 400, THE DISTRICT THREE DISTRICT TWO, WE'LL TAKE THOSE FROM THREE, WHICH ALREADY NEEDS, YOU KNOW, 700 AND IT NEEDS OVER A THOUSAND OVER A THOUSAND.

SO, SO NOW THOSE NEED TO COME.

AND AS IT HAPPENS, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT'S NUMBERS, THEY'RE AVAILABLE IN FOUR AND FIVE MORE IN FOUR THAN IN FIVE, I BELIEVE.

AND THE RETAINING THE SAME BASIC SHAPE SIMPLY GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, AGAIN, SORT OF UNDERSTAND WHERE TO START.

UM, I AGREE WITH, UM, MR. PETERSON, THAT IT'S NOT, UM, BUT BY DOING THAT, YOU ALLOW US TO SORT OF JUST HAVE A STRUCTURE.

AND SO, OKAY.

WELL, IF WE'RE DOWN 1 32 AND IN ONE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE SAME BASIC SHAPES THEN WE KNOW WHICH SORT OF JUST KEEP PULLING FROM THE EAST TO SERVE THE DISTRICT NEXT TO IT.

THAT THAT MAKES IT MAKE SENSE.

AND AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE FIRST GOAL, WHICH IS TO MOVE THE FEWEST VOTERS FROM THEIR DISTRICTS.

IF YOU CAN.

IT IS OPTIONAL.

BACK TO YOUR LIST THEN.

IT'S AS GOOD WITH THE MAP.

WE DON'T NEED THE MAP UP THERE.

SO THESE ARE ALL OPTIONAL CRITERIA.

I THINK WE'RE AND CHIME IN, WE CAN KIND OF BE A LITTLE INFORMAL CHIME IN BOARD IF YOU'RE DISAGREEING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WANT TO TAKE OUT NUMBER FOUR AND IT SEEMS TO ME, WE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO IMPAIR.

IF WE DO THAT, I THINK IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE DEALING WITH A LARGE LAND MASS.

SO IF WE TRIED TO NOT PAIR INCUMBENTS, I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY UNDERMINE SEEING WHAT, WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS, THAT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO MOVE TO THE EAST.

I WOULD THINK IF WE KEPT NUMBER FOUR, WE'D PROBABLY BE IMPAIRING OUR ABILITY

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AND RETAIN.

WE MIGHT BE INTERFERING WITH OUR ABILITY TO RETAIN THE SAME BASIC SHAPE.

SO I THINK HEARING NO OBJECTION.

I THINK WE'LL REMOVE NUMBER FOUR AS A KEY TARGET NUMBER, NUMBER THREE.

SOUNDS GOOD.

RETAIN BASIC SHAPE OF DISTRICTS.

YOU'VE DESCRIBED THAT AS BASICALLY JUST MOVING TO VERTICAL LINES EAST AND THEN KEEPING FOUR AND FIVE DIVIDED BY HORIZONTAL LINE NUMBER TWO.

AND MOVE IT.

THAT'S THE, REALLY, THE ONLY WAY TO MOVE THE FEWER VOTERS.

IF WE JUST GRAB THEM GOING EAST THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I DID SAY IS THAT NUMBER TWO SORT OF SUPPORTS THE GOAL OF NUMBER, NUMBER ONE.

AND THAT THE MOVING THE I'M SORRY.

MOVING THE FEWEST VOTERS WAS THE ONLY NON-LEGAL CRITERIA THAT WAS USED IN 2011.

IN OTHER WORDS, ARE THEY ACTUAL THAT THE DAY THAT THEY PRESENTED TO THAT BOARD AND ASKED THEM TO ADOPT IT WAS FOLLOW THE STATE, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION, FOLLOW THE STATE LAW, MOVE THE FEWEST VOTERS.

AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT'S AT THE, BEFORE YOU TODAY.

GOOD.

SO WE'LL ADOPT TOTAL EMOTION AND IT PASSES, BUT I THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW, REMOVING NUMBER FOUR AND ADOPT ONE, TWO AND THREE, ADD THOSE OPTIONAL CRITERIA TO THE, TO THE LEGALLY REQUIRED.

BUT NOW JUMPING OVER TO THE PROCESS, UH, I KNOW ONE OF THE, CAN I STAY ON THIS FOR A MINUTE ON THE CRITERIA? YES.

MA'AM UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND BEFORE YOU GO TO THE NEXT STEP, CORRECT.

SO HERE'S MY QUESTION.

THREE HAS TO GO EAST IT, WHICH IS BETTER FOR THREE TO TAKE VOTERS FROM ALL FROM FOUR AND THEREBY CHANGING THE SHAPE, OR JUST GO STRAIGHT EAST AND TAKE SOME FROM BOTH FOUR AND FIVE, WHICH DISTURBS THE FEWEST VOTE.

WELL, BOTH FOUR AND FIVE HAVE TOO MANY VOTERS IN IT, ROUGHLY 1,001 AND 700 AND THE OTHER.

SO IF THREE TAKES FROM BOTH, IT CAN CURE THE OVERPOPULATION AND FOREIGN FIVE.

IF THREE WERE ONLY TO TAKE FROM ONE DISTRICT, SAY FOUR, THEN FIVE WOULD HAVE TO SHOVE SEND SOME OF ITS PEOPLE UP TO FOUR.

GOT IT.

SO THAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE TO REDRAW THE LINE AND TAKE AS MANY FROM FOUR AND AS MANY FROM FIVE AS ARE OVER THAT'S WHERE Y'ALL WILL REALLY DIG IN.

WE'LL SEE WHERE, WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE IN THAT BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE THAT MIGHT INFORM IT.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING SUSAN IS MAYBE IT'S KIND OF A TRUE UP THE EASTERN LINE OF THREE A BIT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, BUT WE'RE DOWN IN THE WEEDS, SO IT'S YEAH.

WE'LL LET YOU GO.

AND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD SEGUE TO THE QUESTION I HAD ON, ON, ON THE PROCESS.

I KNOW FOLKS HAVE, I DON'T, I'VE NOT SEEN A MAP.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE HAS SEEN A MAP YET.

I DON'T KNOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE EVEN PRODUCED ONE, NOT OTHER THAN WHAT I FLASHED UP ON THE SCREEN.

WELL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S BEING SO MS. MCGEE, BEFORE US, YOU'RE ASKING US TO ADOPT THE CRITERIA POTENTIALLY AS AMENDED BY REMOVING NUMBER FOUR AND ADOPTING THE PROCESS AS PRESENTED.

OTHER THAN THAT, BUT YOU HAVEN'T PRODUCED A, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'RE MOVING ON.

SO WHEN YOU SAY PROPOSED MAP FOR BOS REVIEW, THEN POST REPUBLIC.

FOR ME, IT'S FINE THAT THE PUBLIC SEES IT AT THE SAME MOMENT I DO.

IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE THAT CLEAR IN OUR PROCESS THEN THE BOARD'S DIRECTION WOULD BE TO REVEAL THE MAP AT A BOARD MEETING, FRANKLY.

UM, SO THAT YOU'RE SEEING AND NOT REVIEW IT WITH BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE AND CAN JUST KEEP IT WITHIN THE SMALL THREE OR FOUR COMMITTEE GROUP THAT YOU HAVE, AND WE DON'T NEED OTHER PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO SEE IT, DO THAT.

UH, NO.

WE RELY ON THE GENERAL REGISTRAR TO GIVE US THE FEEDBACK OF THE ELECTORAL BOARD, BECAUSE THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PRECINCTS AND, AND POLLING PLACES.

SO WE SEE THE DRAFT AGAIN, I ASSUME THAT WILL COME THROUGH THE GENERAL REGISTRAR THAT HE WOULD HAVE THEIR GUIDANCE.

BUT IF FOR SOME REASON HE TOLD ME THEY NEEDED TO HAVE INPUT ON THAT PIECE.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I'VE COME UP WITH.

YOU'RE PART OF THE TEAM.

I THINK IF YOU CAN JUST UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A BIG AGREEMENT ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK IF WE CAN JUST HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BOARD DOES NOT WANT TO SEE THIS UNTIL YOU ROLL IT OUT FOR, AT THE SAME TIME, THE PUBLIC IS HERE TO SEE IT.

THAT CAN BE DONE THAT WAY.

I THINK IT CAN BE.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, THIS IS GOING TO END UP IN FORM OF EMOTION AND ADOPTION OF A VOTE.

SO ANY OTHER, UM, QUESTIONS MR. JEREMY? UM, I DON'T KNOW, JUST SITTING HERE, IT STRIKES ME THAT THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY GOOSSENS A SPECIAL PLACE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GREAT LENGTHS TO TAKE POLITICS OUT OF THE REDISTRICTING.

I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OTHER DISTRICTS ARE DOING THAT, BUT, UH, BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING, SETTING THE STANDARD.

SO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.

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THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON.

THANK YOU, MS. LESKO.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, AND MAY I CLARIFY THAT'S WITH THE REQUEST TO THE TEAM TO RE TO, UM, KEEP THE MAP DRAWING AND THE MAPS AND ALL THAT IN THE GROUP, AND THEN REVEAL PRESENTED TO THE SAME TIME TO THE PUBLIC THE SAME TIME WE SEE IT.

IS THAT PART OF THE REQUEST? YES, SIR.

SO THE LEGALLY REQUIRED CRITERIA, PLUS ONE, TWO, AND THREE ARE WHAT THE EMOTION IS AND REMOVAL OF NUMBER IN THE OPTIONAL CRITERIA.

THAT'S THE MOTION.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR, TURN YOUR MIC ON AND SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED WAS UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MCGEE FOR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH GROUP AND KEEP US POSTED THOUGH ON WHAT THE STATE IS DOING WHEN YOU, WHEN WE WERE HERE ABOUT WE KNOW.

IS IT, IS IT DEFINITIVELY GOING TO THE SUPREME COURT THAT I HAVEN'T KEPT UP WITH IT? I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN SAY THAT.

UM, BUT THERE IS A DROP DEAD DATE AT SOME POINT WHEN IT WILL END UP LIKE THE DROP DEAD DATE, UM, WAS ONLY IF THEY'VE SENT IT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

OH, THAT WAS THE NOVEMBER 15TH DROP DEAD.

THAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SECOND MAP TO BE APPROVED BY THE ASSEMBLY.

AND UM, SO ONCE IT GETS REFERRED TO THE SUPREME COURT, THERE IS NO TIMEFRAME, WHICH IS WHY THE STAFF DECIDED TO MAKE A CHANGE AGAIN.

I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE OUR CONGRESSIONAL IT'S POSSIBLE WE'LL BE INTO A DIFFERENT CONGRESSIONAL OR SPLIT CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS.

IT'S POSSIBLE.

I WAS REREADING THE 2011 TRANSCRIPTS EARLIER TODAY AND NOTED AS THEY WERE HAVING SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS IN EARLY APRIL, THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WAS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK LATER THAT WEEK TO ADOPT THE MAP FOR ITS STATE DISTRICT LINE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE, THEY WERE IN A BIT OF THE SAME PRACTICE BACK THEN AND I'LL MANAGE THROUGH THE PROCESS OURS MORE CLEANER THAN THEIRS, BUT IT GOT DONE.

THANKS AGAIN.

WE HAVE ADOPTED A CRITERIA, CHIEF FERGUSON.

YOU ARE UP NEXT FOR A FIRE RESCUE AGENCY PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

SO CHEAP WHERE WE'RE APPROACHING THE, WELL, WE HAVE A WAYS TO GO FOR TOURS, EVERYBODY.

GOOD TO GO.

AND UM, AND THIS YOU'D PROBABLY BE UNDER 15, 10 OR 15 MINUTES YOU THINK? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD.

WE'LL JUST, I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY SIGNALING THAT.

WE DON'T TAKE A BREAK, SO WE'RE WE'RE READY.

AND TURN, TURN THE MIC ON PLEASE.

UH, EVERYTHING WAS A LITTLE BIT SLOWER THAN IT HAD BEEN, BUT WE CERTAINLY SAW SOME SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS, UH, IN 2020, UH, LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, EDDIE FERGUSON, FIRE RESCUE CHIEF, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU AND TALK ABOUT THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT AND ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT THE MEN AND WOMEN DO.

DELIVERING FIRE RESCUE SERVICES IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, THE COUNTY FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN BUSY.

UM, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.

UH, WE HAVE JUST RECENTLY, UH, HAD SEVERAL STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSIONS AND THIS, THIS AFTERNOON'S PRESENTATION IS KIND OF ENCOMPASSING THE BUDGET YEAR AND WAS THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF 2020, AND THEN SOME OF THIS, BUT IT'S HARD NOT TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN FIRE RESCUE WHEN YOU DELIVER A PRESENTATION LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS SINCE FYI 21 ENDED, BUT FIRE RESCUE, UM, IS UPDATED ITS MISSION AND VISION AND CORE VALUE STATEMENTS RECENTLY, UH, OUR MISSION IS TO PROVIDE THE HIGHEST QUALITY COMPREHENSIVE FIRE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IN AN EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE, AND ACCOUNTABLE AND COMPASSIONATE MANNER.

OUR NEW VISION IS TO DEMONSTRATE EXCELLENCE IN SERVICE, SAFETY PREVENTION AND EDUCATION THROUGH AN INTEGRATED VOLUNTEER AND CAREER DEPARTMENT HONOR, AND AIR PAST TO PROTECT YOUR AND OUR PRESIDENT AND BUILDING RESILIENCY FOR THEIR FUTURE.

AND OUR CORE VALUES ARE ACCOUNTABILITY, COMMUNITY, COMPASSION, INTEGRITY, AND DEDICATION.

AND WE TRY TO ALIGN THOSE WITH THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, STRATEGIC PLAN, AS WELL AS THERE'S A SIMILAR STATEMENTS.

AS I HAD SAID, FIRE RESCUE HAS BEEN A VERY BUSY AND EVERY YEAR YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A, UH, AN INCREASE IN CALL VOLUME.

UH, OF COURSE, THERE'S THAT A YEAR IN 2020 THAT,

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UH, THERE WERE 3,495 CALLS FOR SERVICE AND FYI 21.

AND JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, WHERE WE ARE TODAY, LOOKING AT YEAR TO DATE TOTALS TODAY, UH, COMPARED TO LAST YEAR AT THE SAME TIME, FIRE RESCUE IS ABOUT 20% AHEAD OF LAST YEAR'S CALL VOLUME AS OF TODAY, THE SAME TIME, IF YOU THINK 2020 IS, UH, AS A BAD YEAR TO COMPARE TO, THEN WE LOOK BACK TO 2019 AND WE'RE ACTUALLY 16% AHEAD OF 20, 20, 19.

I HAD ACTUALLY HEARD, UM, A PRESENTATION RECENTLY AT ONE OF THE TOWN HALLS AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THE WAY THE DISTRICTS WERE GROWING, KIND OF BASED ON THE LAST PRESENTATION JUST MADE BY MS. MCGEE.

AND I FOUND IT INTERESTING TO HEAR THAT DISTRICTS FOUR AND FIVE WERE GROWING AS MUCH AS 25%.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S A VERY, UM, MUCH ON TRACK WITH OUR CALL VOLUME.

UH, WE'RE SEEING MORE CALLS IN THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY.

UH, I, THE, THE RECENT BOND REFERENDUM THAT PASSED, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, FIRE STATION, UH, TO BE HELD IN THE WEST CREEK AREA OF THE COUNTY.

SO I THINK A LOT OF, A LOT OF NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY IN ALIGNMENT AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

IF YOU LOOK AT AIR OFF EMS RESPONSES, WE BREAK THOSE DOWN INTO, UM, ALS AND BLS TRANSPORTS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, AS THEIR FIRE FIRE RESPONSES, UH, IN A SIMILAR FASHION EMS RESPONSES.

UH, THE COUNTY, UH, HAS, HAS TWO ZONES THAT WE MONITOR FOR EMS RESPONSE TIMES.

THERE'S A 20 MINUTES ZONE IN THE WESTERN END OF THE COUNTY, AND THERE'S A 15 MINUTE ZONE THAT COMES FROM ABOUT JACKSON SHOP ROAD TO THE EAST.

AND WE ARE REQUIRED BY REGULATION FROM THE VIRGINIA OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH TO IDENTIFY ZONES IN THE COUNTY AND COMPLY WITH THOSE ZONES 90% OF THE TIME.

AND THAT IS THE TIME FROM A THEY CALL IS RECEIVED AND PROCESSED DISPATCHED UNTIL THE FIRST AMBULANCE ARRIVES ON LOCATION.

IT'S, IT'S GEARED TO TRANSPORT UNITS ARRIVING.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT A WHILE THERE'S NUMBER OF SOUND REALLY HIGH.

IT'S BEEN MANY YEARS SINCE WE'VE LOOKED AT THOSE AND FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, AND WE NEED TO DO THAT AND MAYBE LOOK AT ADJUSTING THOSE DOWN SOME SINCE WE ARE DOING MUCH BETTER THAN THAT IN GENERAL, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IF YOU NEED CPR, UH, YOU'RE IN CARDIAC ARREST.

IF YOU RECEIVE CPR AND DEFIBRILLATION WITHIN THREE TO FIVE MINUTES, YOU HAVE ROUGHLY A 49 TO 75% CHANCE OF SURVIVING BRAIN DAMAGE CAN OCCUR ON FOR A PERSON WHO ISN'T RECEIVING OXYGEN AS LITTLE AS FOUR TO SIX MINUTES, DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND A PERSON CAN BLEED TO DEATH AND UNDER FIVE MINUTES, UH, AND THAT'S REALLY, WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO STRIVE TO DO BETTER AS A FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT.

AND WE'RE MEETING THOSE, UH, RESPONSE TIME STANDARDS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED, UH, AS A MATTER OF, UH, COUNTY POLICY.

UH, OVERALL THE EMS RESPONSE TIMES HAVE DECREASED A LITTLE BIT FROM NINE MINUTES AND 54 SECONDS TO NINE MINUTES AND 38 SECONDS.

AND WE DID MEET THOSE IN, UH, 92% OF THE TIME IN EACH FIRE RESCUE, UH, DISTRICT IN THE COUNTY.

YOU MAY FIND IT INTERESTING THAT A MAJORITY OF THE TIME WE TRANSPORT OUR PATIENTS TO ENRICO DOCTORS, FOREST HOSPITAL, UH, SECOND BY ST MARY'S.

AND THEN THIRD ON THE LIST IS THE BON SECOURS SHORT PUMP EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT THAT IS RELATIVELY NEW.

AND IF WE WERE TO MARCH IT OUT FURTHER THAN WE WOULD SEE, VCU PROBABLY WOULD BE FOURTH.

AND WE TYPICALLY GO INTO THE CHARLOTTESVILLE AREA TO UVA, MARTHA JEFFERSON, ABOUT 10 TIMES A MONTH.

THE EMS CALL, UH, CREW BREAKDOWN, UH, EMS CALLS ARE HANDLED, UH, 82% OF THE TIME BY CAREER PROVIDERS, 14% BY A COMBINATION CREWS.

A COMBINATION CREW IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD OF.

IT TAKES EVERYONE TO GET THE JOB DONE.

A COMBINATION CREW IS A CREW THAT'S COMPOSED OF A CAREER MEMBER, AS WELL AS A VOLUNTEER WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THE JOB DONE.

AND ABOUT 4% OF THE EMS CALLS ARE HANDLED EXCLUSIVELY BY THE VOLUNTEER PERSONNEL.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO NOTE THAT ONLY JUST TO, TO SHOW THAT WE ALL WORK TOGETHER TO GET THE JOB DONE AND INTAKES EVERYONE, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER SERVICE, UH, AS WE DO THE CITIZENS, WE ALSO KEEP AN EYE ON FIRE RESPONSES.

UM, FIRE CAN DOUBLE IN SIZE EVERY 30 SECONDS, UH, DEPENDING ON WHOSE LITERATURE THAT YOU READ, UH, IT NOWADAYS, UH, AND OUR NEW HOMES WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, PERSONNEL ONLY HAS ABOUT THREE TO FOUR MINUTES TO GET OUTSIDE OF A HOUSE FIRE, UH, COMPARED TO ABOUT 17 MINUTES, 30 YEARS AGO.

AND THAT IS DUE TO THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE MATERIALS THAT ARE USED IN BUILDING CONSTRUCTION, AS WELL AS THE CONTENTS, UH, IN OUR HOME OVERALL COUNTYWIDE FIRE RESPONSE TIMES, THE COUNTY AVERAGE IS 10 MINUTES AND 10 SECONDS.

OF COURSE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AVERAGES.

SO CERTAINLY MANY OF THOSE CALLS WERE ROBBING MUCH SOONER THAN, THAN 10 MINUTES, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY GOOCHLAND, UH, IS A LARGE GEOGRAPHICAL LAND MASS AND DEPENDENT ON WHERE THAT CALL IS.

WE EVEN HAVE TO TRAVEL

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GREAT DISTANCES TO REACH THE SCENE.

AND I KNOW WE ALL HAVE A PLAN TO ADD ADDITIONAL FIRE STATIONS, THE ONE IN WEST CREEK, THE ONE IN SANDY HOOK, AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK IN A CIP AND YOU CAN SEE FIRE STATIONS THAT GO MUCH FURTHER OUT THAN JUST THOSE TWO, THE FIRE CREW TYPE BREAKDOWN ABOUT 55% OF THE FIRE CALLS ARE HANDLED BY, UH, CAREER MEMBERS.

ABOUT 21% ARE HANDLED BY COMBINATION CREWS.

THAT SAME CREW THAT'S MADE UP OF VOLUNTEER AND CAREER MEMBERS WORKING TOGETHER.

AND ABOUT 24% OF THE FIRE CALLS ARE HANDLED ABOVE VOLUNTEER PERSONNEL.

AGAIN, IT TAKES EVERYONE.

WE HAVE TO GET THE JOB DONE.

PROPERTY LOSSES IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE MONITOR.

I'M NOT GOING TO STAND HERE AND ADMIT THAT WE HAVE, UM, EXCLUSIVE CONTROL OVER THAT.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, OUR FIRE PREVENTION EFFORTS, UH, DO PREVENT FIRES, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO MEASURE WHICH YOU'RE ACTUALLY PREVENTING.

UH, PROPERTY LOSSES ARE UP A LITTLE BIT COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS ANNUAL REPORT I GAVE YOU, UH, YOU HAVE TO THINK BACK TO WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THAT SECOND HALF OF 2020, WHERE WE WERE SEEING THAT INCREASE IN HOUSE FIRES BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE AT HOME, THEY WERE A LITTLE RESTLESS AND WE SAW A LOT OF FIRES AND PORCH FIRES.

AND, AND THEN WE HAD, UM, A REALLY HOT DOLLAR LOSS, UH, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE FIRE, UH, DURING THAT SAME TIMEFRAME.

UM, I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THOUGH THAT, UH, NO ONE LOST THEIR LIFE IN A HOUSE FIRE IN THE COUNTY, UH, TRAGICALLY.

THERE WERE SEVERAL AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENTS WHERE, UH, PATIENTS OR VICTIMS OR OCCUPANTS OF THE VEHICLE, UH, POSSIBLY SUCCUMB TO FIRE, UH, BUT SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS ALWAYS, UH, DISTURBING MUTUAL AID, UH, GIVEN, UH, CERTAINLY, UM, LOUISA COUNTY, WE GIVE THE MOST MUTUAL AID TO LOUISA COUNTY.

UH, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE COUNTY LINE AND PREDOMINANTLY DUE TO THE INTERSTATE 64.

UH, WE ALSO GIVE MUTUAL AID TO, UH, TO THE OTHER SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS, AS WELL AS, UH, OCCASIONALLY WE GET TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF RICHMOND, UH, OR CHESTERFIELD COUNTY OR REGIONAL PARTNERS EVEN FURTHER OUT THAN THAT.

AND WE, AND THEY DO ALL RECIPROCATE THAT MUTUAL AID.

AND WE CERTAINLY, UH, ALL BENEFIT FROM THAT.

THE PICTURE IN THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND CORNER IS A, A HOUSE FIRE LAST SUMMER, UH, IN LOWER TUCKAHOE WHERE WE HAD HIM WACO ENGINE 17, AND THE ENRICO BATTALION CHIEF WAS THERE WORKING WITH US, UH, TO HANDLE THAT FIRE.

UH, WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO, UH, NOTIFY THE CLOSEST AND MOST APPROPRIATE HELP.

UH, IF THAT, IF WE'RE DEALING WITH THE COUNTY LINE OR THE EDGE OF A COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THE BEST SERVICE WE CAN, TO THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION, I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UH, WE COULDN'T DO WHAT WE DO WITHOUT OUR MEMBERS.

WE BELIEVE THAT OUR MEMBERS ARE THE KEY TO OUR SUCCESS, UH, IN THE COURSE OF ANY GIVEN YEAR, UH, MEMBERS, UH, RECEIVED MANY AWARDS AND ACCOLADES FOR WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO DELIVER SERVICE TO OUR CITIZENS, BUT WITH ALL OF OUR MEMBERS, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE RIGHT EDUCATION AND TRAINING SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO THE JOBS THAT THEY DO.

UH, CERTAINLY, UM, WE HAVE ANNUAL EMT CLASSES.

UH, WE HAVE A FIRE ACADEMY.

WE HAVE, UH, CONTINUING EDUCATION CLASSES, CPR CLASSES, EVERY MONTH, ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT CLASSES FOR EMT, PARAMEDICS, AND INTERMEDIATE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE SEND A PERSONNEL OUTSIDE THE COUNTY TO OTHER REGIONAL SCHOOLS AND CONFERENCES AND THINGS WHERE THEY CAN GO OUT AND LEARN NEW IDEAS AND BRING THOSE BACK TO THE COUNTY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING, STAYING, WHERE WE NEED TO BE, UH, WITH, UH, WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND US STAFFING, UH, IN 2021, UH, WE ARE PROUD TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MAINTAINED THAT COMMITMENT THAT YOU ALL MADE IN OCTOBER OF 2019, WHERE WE STAFFED ALL OF THE, UH, SIX FIRE STATIONS WITH CAREER STAFF, UH, THAT HAS CONTINUED.

AND WE ALL WORK TOGETHER WITH VOLUNTEER PERSONNEL TO GET THE JOB DONE.

UM, IN FYI 21, WE BROUGHT IN 23 NEW VOLUNTEERS, UH, AND WE HAVE ALREADY BROUGHT IN SEVEN, UH, TO DATE AND FYI 22.

SO THAT IS A, UM, A YEAR ROUND, AS WE HAD MENTIONED ORIGINALLY IN A NEWSFLASH, UH, THAT IS A, UH, YEAR ROUND OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE ALWAYS ARE RECRUITING AND HAVE THE DOORS OPEN TO BRING IN NEW VOLUNTEER PERSONNEL AND CERTAINLY, UM, NEED MORE VOLUNTEER PERSONNEL.

UH, COVID-19 CONTINUES TO IMPACT, UH, OUR VOLUNTEER PARTICIPATION.

UH, HOWEVER, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT COME BACK AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN REBUILD THAT.

COVID-19, UH, IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE, UM, ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IMPACTED ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT, UH, THAT WE DO AS AN ORGANIZATION, MUCH LIKE IT DID THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND THAT FY 21, WE WERE ABLE TO, TO HIRE THREE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, FIREFIGHTER EMT, AND TO DATE IN , WE BROUGHT ON SEVEN, SEVEN MORE.

UH, WE MADE SOME PROMOTIONS, UH, WHAT TWO LIEUTENANTS WERE VOTED IN FY 21, 1 BATTALION, CHIEF AND AND ONE CAPTAIN.

AND FOR 22, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON DUTY.

UH, IT'S OUR GOAL TO MAKE SURE

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THAT ANY FIRE UNIT THAT'S ON THE STREET WOULD HAVE AT LEAST THREE FIREFIGHTERS ON IT.

IT'S HARD TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER THE SERVICE THAT WE DO, UH, AND MAINTAIN THE COMPLIANCY STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AS FAR AS TWO PEOPLE IN IMMEDIATELY DANGEROUS TO LIFE ATMOSPHERE AND TWO PEOPLE OUT.

WE REFER TO THAT AS TWO IN TWO OUT, UM, AND WORK WITH DECREASED NUMBERS OF PERSONNEL ON THE SCENE.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT WE, UH, WE KEEP AN EYE ON THIS.

UH, WE'RE NOT QUITE WHERE WE WANT TO BE WITH THIS AT ANY ONE TIME.

WE MAY HAVE MORE THAN THREE PEOPLE ON A FIRE ENGINE, BUT WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE AVERAGES, UH, WE'RE JUST A LITTLE, UH, SHOP HAVING THOSE THREE PEOPLE.

HOWEVER, THEY INDUSTRY STANDARD IS, IS MORE LIKE FOUR.

AND IF YOU START LOOKING AT NSPA 17, 10 IN THE GUIDELINES, IT INDICATES HOW MANY PERSONNEL IT TAKES TO HANDLE CERTAIN TYPES OF EMERGENCY INCIDENTS.

AND WE CERTAINLY, UM, EXPERIENCED THAT HERE TOO.

SO 14 OR 15 PEOPLE TO HANDLE A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, RESIDENTIAL FIRE, BUT WE ALWAYS SAY, AND WE ALWAYS TELL YOU ALL, AND YOU KNOW, THIS TOO, THAT IN GOOCHLAND, BECAUSE OF THE RURAL WATER SUPPLY ASPECT, WE NEED MORE PERSONNEL THAN JUST WHAT THESE NUMBERS ARE.

AND FPA 17, 10 DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT PERSONNEL NEEDED TO DRIVE TANKERS AND SHUTTLE WATER TO AND FROM JAW HYDRANTS AND SO FORTH.

AND AT ANY GIVEN TIME, THERE COULD BE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE DOING THAT AS THERE ARE ACTUALLY, UH, CONDUCTING FIRE SUPPRESSION EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, UH, HAS BEEN BUSY, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, GENERATES, UM, MAJORITY OF THESE CALLS, WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW SLIDES AGO.

UH, THE DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO RECEIVE ANOTHER AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION, BRONZE MISSION LIFELINE AWARD.

AND THIS IS, UH, THIS BOARD ACKNOWLEDGES THEIR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER CARDIAC CARE AND STROKE CARE, UH, AS WELL AS, UM, GET THOSE PATIENTS TO THE RIGHT FACILITY, GET THE 12 LEAD EKG DONE, NOTIFY THE RIGHT FACILITY, GET THAT PERSON THAT'S HAVING THE HEART ATTACK TO A HOSPITAL THAT HAS A PCI CENTER, OR HAS A CATH LAB.

AND SO THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE ARE PROUD OF IN THE PAST.

WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD GOLD AWARDS AND WE'VE HAD SILVER AWARDS.

AND THIS AWARD IS A BRONZE AWARD THAT THE FACT THAT IT'S BRONZE HAD REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, UH, AS FAR AS THE QUALITY OF CARE THAT'S BEING DELIVERED.

IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE VOLUME OF PATIENTS WHO FIT THAT CRITERIA.

AND THIS YEAR'S AWARD IS PREDICATED ON 2020 NUMBERS, WHICH WERE A LITTLE BIT LOWER AS FAR AS PATIENT VOLUME AND PATIENT POPULATION GOES.

WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, PUT TWO NEW AMBULANCES IN SERVICE.

WE JUST PUT A NEW AMBULANCE AND SERVICE AT FIFE, ANOTHER ONE INTO HAYDENVILLE.

IT ALLOWED US TO MOVE THE AMBULANCE.

THAT WAS A 2019 MODEL FROM HAYNESVILLE TO MANNEQUIN.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO RETIRE, UH, TWO AMBULANCES OUT OF THE FLEET.

ONE WAS A 2006, THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC WITH A TROUBLESOME MOTOR.

AND THE OTHER ONE WAS A 2007 UNIT THAT WAS, UH, GIVEN US, UH, RELIABILITY ISSUES, VENTILATORS, UH, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE WITH, UH, SOME OF THE CARES MONEY, UH, CERTAINLY BEING USED OFTEN.

UH, WE WERE ABLE TO HELP WITH THE COVID VACCINATION CLINICS, AND CERTAINLY GOOCHLAND HAD ONE OF THE HIGHEST VACCINATION RATES OF ANYWHERE IN THE STATE, AS WELL AS DELIVERING HOME VACCINATIONS TO OUR RESIDENTS THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO GET OUT.

UH, CERTAINLY I COULD NOT SPEAK ABOUT EMS AND NOT MENTIONED THE GOOD WORK THAT THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES FOR EMERGENCY MEDICAL DISPATCH.

THAT PROGRAM SAVES LIVES FOR SURE, CPR OVER THE TELEPHONE AND KEEPING THOSE PATIENTS VIABLE AND IN GOOD CONDITION UNTIL THEIR UNITS CAN ARRIVE ON THE SCENE.

AND NONE OF THIS WOULD BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE LICENSE OF OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR, DR.

DUSTIN ANDERSON, ONE THING TO NOTE WITH EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, SOME OF OUR CONGREGATE CARE FACILITIES, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A CALLS, LOTS OF CALLS GENERATED FROM THOSE FACILITIES, UH, SHELTER AND ARMS FOR EXAMPLE, IS ANYWHERE AVERAGE AND ABOUT 17 CALLS PER MONTH, ALL THE WAY AT THE MEADOWS.

A NURSING HOME HAS CERTAINLY ALWAYS GENERATED, UH, FREQUENT CALLS.

AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE CALLS AT TACO PONDS.

WE'VE HAD ABOUT SIX OF THOSE THERE SO FAR SINCE IT OPENED IN AUGUST.

AND OF COURSE, WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION FOR CENTERS IN THE COUNTY ABOUT 25 TO 30 TRANSPORTS A YEAR, UH, FROM THOSE FACILITIES, THE ONE THING I'LL TELL YOU IS, UM, PRIOR TO 2021, WE HAD ONE MONTH WITH OVER 170 TRANSPORTS.

AND SO FAR THIS YEAR, WE'RE SEEING WE'VE, WE'RE HAVING FIVE MONTHS WHERE WE'RE DOING MORE THAN 170 TRANSPORTS IN THE COURSE OF A YEAR.

NOW I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT, UH, OUR REVENUE RECOVERY PROGRAM OR A COST RECOVERY PROGRAM FOR AMBULANCE TRANSPORT DOES HELP RECOUP SOME OF THAT EXPENSE.

DOESN'T PAY FOR IT ALL, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY DOES GO A LONG WAYS TO MAKING, UH, GIVING US BUDGET REVENUE THAT WE CAN DO MORE WITH, TO, TO DELIVER BETTER SERVICE IN GENERAL, ACROSS THE BOARD WITH ALL THE, UH, THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.

OUR FIRE MARSHALL, WHO IS A PART-TIME EMPLOYEE, DOES A FABULOUS JOB, FANTASTIC JOB.

UH, HE HAS BEEN EXTREMELY BUSY.

HE'S CONDUCTED OVER 494, UH, INSPECTION BUSINESS INSPECTIONS.

AND WE'RE

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REALLY LUCKY THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY SIGNIFICANT FIRE INCIDENTS IN ANY RED BUSINESSES.

AND WE THINK THESE INSPECTIONS ARE ACTUALLY WORKING.

UH, THE OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, THE FIRE MARSHALL CERTAINLY ENFORCES THE VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE, KEEPING ALL OF ARAB COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT SAFE, NOT ONLY FOR THE EMPLOYEES WHO WORK THERE, BUT ALL OF THE, UH, CITIZENS WHO VISIT THOSE BUSINESSES.

UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, FIRE PUBLIC EDUCATION CLASSES, UH, WE DID OVER WAS KIND OF HARD TO TELL, BUT WE THOUGHT WE DID OVER 3000 CONTACTS, BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL, ABOUT A YEAR AGO IN THE FIRST HALF OF FY 21, WE HAD A VIRTUAL DELIVERY, UH, TO OUR SCHOOL, SCHOOL CHILDREN.

UH, SO CERTAINLY I'M CERTAINLY DOING A GOOD JOB WITH, UH, FIRE MARSHAL ACTIVITY.

AS FAR AS THE FIRE PREVENTION GOES, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

UH, MY GOSH, UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IS OUR ABILITY TO HANDLE, UH, DISASTERS THAT WE'RE CONFRONTED WITH.

SOME ARE NATURAL.

SOME COULD BE MANMADE DISASTERS, A LOT OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS OVER THE LAST YEAR REGARDING EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

UH, THE BIGGEST ONE PROBABLY IS THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN.

WE APPROVE THE NEW EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN FOR THE COUNTY IN APRIL, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON A COOP PLAN RIGHT NOW, CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS PLAN.

AND I BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE THAT, UM, FINALIZED VERY SOON.

WE HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE SESSION ABOUT THREE, FOUR WEEKS AGO, AND GATHERED A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION FROM THAT.

UH, CERTAINLY ALWAYS, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WE WANT TO MENTION THAT CITIZENS CAN SIGN UP FOR CODE RED, UH, IF THEY NEED, UH, WOULD LIKE THAT EARLY WARNING, EARLY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM, UH, THAT IS PRETTY MUCH AVAILABLE LINK ABOUT EVERY PART OF THE WEBSITE.

THERE'S A LINK THERE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND I PROBABLY SHOULD ALSO SAID UNDER THE FIRE MARSHALL PART, THAT SMOKE DETECTORS ARE FREE AS WELL.

ANY CITIZEN WHO NEEDS A FREE SMOKE ALARM OR SMOKE DETECTOR COULD CALL FIRE RESCUE OR GO TO YOUR NEAREST FIRE STATION.

WE'D BE GLAD TO PROVIDE THAT RECENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS, UH, TO JUST NAME A FEW.

UH, THE NEW LADDER TRUCK, UH, HAS ARRIVED AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING TRAINING ON IT.

THE NEW TANKER IS IN SERVICE AND WE'VE USED IT ON SEVERAL SIGNIFICANT FIRES.

UH, IT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB AS FAR AS BRINGING WATER AND OFFLOADING THAT WATER QUICKLY, UH, TO THE FIRE SCENES.

WE PROMOTED THE NEW BATTALION CHIEF.

UM, WE HAVE NEW PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT.

WE HAVE A NEWLY CREATED A FORMALIZED TRAINING DIVISION, AND WE HAVE A CAREER CAPTAIN ASSIGNED TO THAT, UH, LOTS OF, UH, ADVANCEMENTS AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO REPLACE THAT OUTDATED FIRE HOSE THAT WE WERE TELLING YOU ABOUT IT.

UH, WE'VE MADE GREAT STRIDES OF PROGRESS WITH THAT AS WELL AS, UH, UPDATING NOZZLES.

SOME ARE VERY RADIO EQUIPMENT, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, UH, SECURITY UPGRADES THAT WE MADE TO FIRE RESCUE ADMINISTRATION.

IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A WHILE, WE HAVE, UM, A GLASS ENCLOSURE INSIDE THE FRONT DOOR AND WE'VE TAKEN SOME STEPS TO MAKE THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING MORE ATTRACTIVE, UH, AND GET THE NAME OF THE BUILDING OUT, UH, WHERE EVERYONE CAN KNOW WHERE THERE ARE IN THAT COMPLEX.

OUR ANNUAL DRAW HYDRA INSPECTION WAS COMPLETED.

WE HAVE 65 OPERATIONAL DRAW HYDRANTS.

I WANTED TO JUST MENTION THAT WE TOOK 15 OUT OF SERVICE.

UH, SOME OF THOSE WERE TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE BECAUSE THE PONDS WERE DRIED UP OR THEY WERE COVERED UP IN SOME CASES AND BUILT A HOUSE, UH, IN ONE LOCATION.

BUT UPON PAUSE NO LONGER THERE, BUT IN MANY CASES, A COUNTY FIRE HYDRANTS HAVE COME INTO THAT AREA.

SO THERE'S FIRE HYDRANTS ARE NOT AS CRITICAL AS THEY ONCE WERE DRY HYDRANTS BECAUSE WHEN NOW WE HAVE COUNTY WATER AND SEWER AND THERE'S FIRE HYDRANTS ARE THERE, BUT WE'RE COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING OUR DRY HYDRANTS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE ALWAYS IN GOOD CONDITION.

AND WE USE THEM OFTEN USING THEM OFTEN LOTS OF PROGRESS AT THE HENLEY FIRE RESCUE TRAINING CENTER, BUT A WHOLE LOT MORE TO COME.

UH, WE'VE BEEN IN, UH, IN THE REPAIR MODE THEREFORE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW.

AND WE HAVE STARTED TO MAKE REPAIRS TO THE, THE OLDER, UH, BURN BUILDING OR STRUCTURAL TRAINING BUILDING.

WE CAN USE THAT BUILDING.

NOW ONCE AGAIN, FOR COAL TRAINING OR TRAINING THAT HAS NO LIVE FIRE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

UH, THE BIG NEWS FOR THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER IS WE'RE WAITING ON A SITE PLAN THAT'S BEING PREPARED, UH, SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE PRESENT LOCATION THAT WE OPERATE NOW ON MAIDENS ROAD.

AND OF COURSE OUR GOAL IS TO EXPAND THAT FACILITY AND POSSIBLY LOOKING AT MOVING INTO AN AREA THAT WILL SERVE US FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS AS THIS SITE HAS SERVED US TO THIS POINT, WATER RESCUE, UH, CONTINUES TO SAY ACTIVE AND BUSY.

UH, WE WERE ABLE TO BRING TWO NEW BOATS INTO THE FLEET.

UH, THIS YEAR WE PICKED UP A BOAT FROM CHESTERFIELD FIRE AND EMS AT A VERY MINIMAL, UH, THAT BRIDGED THE GAP FOR US UNTIL THE NEW BOAT WAS DELIVERED.

AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT THE BOAT THAT WAS PURCHASED FROM MANNEQUIN, THE REPLACEMENT BOAT, UH, WAS, UH, WAS DELIVERED LAST WEEK.

AND SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF, UH, GETTING, GETTING IT INTO SERVICE COULD NEVER TALK ABOUT THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT AND NOT TELL YOU ABOUT THE GOOD WORK.

THE VOLUNTEER FIRE RESCUE ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED

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DOES.

THIS IS THE 70TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT.

UH, IT TAKES EVERYONE AND ALL OF OUR RESOURCES, UH, BOTH PEOPLE, EQUIPMENT AND FINANCES TO GET THE JOB DONE.

UH, UH, THERE ARE LOTS OF GOOD PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTY, THE, THE FIRE RESCUE ASSOCIATION, UH, FOR ANYONE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, ACTUALLY OWNS FIVE OF THE SIX FIRE STATIONS.

AND SO THEY'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT IMPROVEMENTS AND WAYS THAT THEY CAN MAKE THOSE FACILITIES MORE MODERN AS WELL AS TO ACCOMMODATE THE NUMBER OF STAFF THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THOSE FACILITIES TODAY.

BUT JUST AS A FEW EXAMPLES, UM, COMPANY ONE JUST PUT IN A BRAND, A NEW SEPTIC FIELD, THEIR SEPTIC FIELD FAILED.

SO THEY HAD TO GET, UH, A BRAND NEW SEPTIC FIELD.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HUGE EXPENSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT A BUILDING THAT SIZE CROZIER, A COMPANY TO, UH, HAS ADDED RECENTLY NEW, PERSONAL, PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT STORAGE ON THEIR, UH, STATION WALLS.

YOU CAN SEE, UH, SEE THAT IN THE LOWER PICTURE FIFE, UH, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, SORRY, CENTERVILLE IS PLANNING FOR SOME INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, AND WE'RE HOPING TO, TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT, UH, SAME COMPANY FOUR AND FIFE, UH, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF GETTING PRICES TO, TO RAISE AND WIDEN THE BAY DOORS, THE APPARATUS THAT WE'RE BUYING THESE DAYS, THE SPAN OF THE MIRRORS, AND SO FORTH TO A LITTLE TOO LARGE, TO VERY TIGHT FIT.

NEAT.

THE BETA WAS NEED TO BE MORE SPACIOUS TO ACCOMMODATE COMBINATE.

THAT COMPANY FIVE IN THE COURTHOUSE, UH, RECENTLY DID A NEW CONCRETE PAD ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL BETTER SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF THE FIRE APPARATUS WHEN IT'S PULLED OUTSIDE THE STATION, AS WELL AS A PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY, UH, BETWEEN THE, UH, FIRE STATION AND THE FUEL PUMPS COMPANIES SIX THAT'S CERTAINLY OUR COUNTY OWNED FACILITY, BUT THE VOLUNTEER MEMBERS THAT COMPANY SIX, THEY, THEY CONTINUE TO INVEST THEIR DONATIONS AND THINGS THAT ARE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE ENTIRE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT.

AND RECENTLY A, UH, A RESCUE TRUCK THAT I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT ONE SLIDE FROM NOW.

ONE THING I WILL MENTION TO YOU THAT THE VOLUNTEER ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED IS LOOKING AT A, EITHER A FULL-TIME OR PART-TIME POSITION, UH, A BUSINESS MANAGER TYPE POSITION THAT COULD ACTUALLY, UH, MANAGE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED, PARTICULARLY WITH THE FIRE STATIONS IN THE FACILITIES.

AND SOME OF THE UPGRADES THAT ARE, THAT ARE JUST OVER THE, UH, JUST ONLY ARISE HORIZON THAT NEED TO BE DONE.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD OF.

UM, WHEN THE COUNTY, UH, PURCHASED A NEW LADDER TRUCK AND IT WENT TO MANNEQUIN COMPANY ONE, IT SHIFTED THREE VEHICLES AROUND THE COUNTY.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE RESCUE TRUCK THAT YOU SEE IN THE TOP LEFT WAS A MANNEQUIN VEHICLE IT'S OWNED BY THE ASSOCIATION AND IT WAS MOVED TO COMPANY SIX.

IT PUTS A HEAVY RESCUE UNIT ON THE WESTERN END OF THE COUNTY, ALONG THE INTERSTATE.

GREAT USE OF THAT.

THE VEHICLE OVER TO THE TOP, RIGHT, WAS A COMPANY SIX UNIT.

IT SHIFTED THE COMPANY TO ENCLOSURE AND IT BECAME OUR NEW, UH, HAZMAT UNIT.

AND OVER THE LAST, UM, SEVEN TO 10 DAYS, THAT UNIT HAS GOTTEN A WORKOUT ON 64.

UH, SO WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE THAT.

THE OTHER THING I'LL TELL YOU IS, UH, ALL OF THESE MOVEMENTS, WE WERE ABLE TO DECOMMISSION AND DONATE, UH, TO HEAVY RESCUE TRUCKS.

THERE WERE 33 PLUS YEARS OLD TO GROUPS IN THE RICHMOND AREA.

ONE, THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT WAS DONATED TO THE PETERSBURG FIRE SUPPORT TEAM SIX.

THEY DO FIREGROUND REHABILITATION FOR THE PETERSBURG AND TRI CITY AREAS.

AND THEN THE ONE ON THE RIGHT WAS MOST RECENTLY DONATED TO THE METRO RICHMOND FLYING SQUAD THAT PROVIDES FIREGROUND REHAB TO THE CITY OF RICHMOND AND RYKO COUNTY.

AND SOON TO BE GOOCHLAND COUNTY.

IN FACT, THEY'VE ALREADY RESPONDED OUT, UH, WITHOUT OUR SIGN MOU AND PROVIDED A REHABILITATION ON ONE OF OUR, UH, PAST, UH, SIGNIFICANT FIRES.

SO THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD THING.

AND OF COURSE, THE COUNTY OF GOOCHLAND DONATED A TANKER THAT WE DECOMMISSION TO CHARLES CITY COUNTY, BUT THIS, THIS IN MY MIND DEMONSTRATES HOW WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, GET THE JOB DONE.

AND IT KEEPS US FROM HAVING TO BUY THIS TYPE OF APPARATUS FOR THESE OTHER LOCATIONS, WHEN WE CAN MANAGE OUR FLEET IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT WORKS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL THE CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY, OUR INITIAL INVESTMENTS KEEP GIVING IN, IN THEIR OWN JURISDICTION.

FIRE RESCUE, UH, IS ENGAGED IN REGIONAL AND STATE, UH, COMMITTEES AND GROUPS.

UH, CERTAINLY, UM, ALL OF THESE THAT YOU SEE, THE SYMBOLS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, IT, IT KEEPS US VERY BUSY, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CAN, WE BE INVOLVED IN ALL OF THESE, UH, GROUPS AND COMMITTEES AND BOARDS AND STUFF ACROSS THE STATE AND WITHIN THE RICHMOND AREA, IT BRINGS A, IT KEEPS US AWARE OF WHAT OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE REGION.

AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO BRING OPPORTUNITIES BACK HOME TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY, UH, AND WE GET TO BE INVOLVED WHEN SOME OF THESE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE THAT IMPACT US, UH, IN THE COUNTY, UH, MR. DRUMRIGHT WAS, WAS PRESENTING THE LEGISLATIVE STAKEHOLDER'S REPORT.

AND CERTAINLY, UM, I CAN TELL YOU SOME OF THIS, THE STATE BOARDS THAT, UH, THE GOVERNOR APPOINTS THAT WE PARTICIPATE IN ONE, YOU KNOW, WE GET SOME OF THAT, SOME OF THAT DECISION-MAKING OCCURS THERE AND WE

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CAN HOPEFULLY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION FOR OUR CITIZENS.

AND WITH THAT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS ALL PUBLIC SAFETY IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.

UH, WE COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU, AND WE COULDN'T DO A BETTER CITIZENS, AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I KNOW WE'D HAD TO MOVE FAST.

YOU GOOD? AND I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE THE SECOND PART, I GUESS, BARBARA, YOU COMING UP FOR THE NEXT PART OF THIS.

OH, I AM.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK.

THIS IS A GOOD QUESTIONS FOR OUR FIRE CHIEF FIRE RESCUE CHIEF.

UM, I DO CHIEF, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, ONE THAT CAME UP ON ONE OF YOUR LATER SLIDES, JUST KIND OF CURIOUS TO EDUCATE MYSELF.

YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT UNIT THAT WAS DONATED, AND YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT FIRE OR REHABILITATION.

IT SOUNDED LIKE REHABILITATION ON A FIRE.

I'M SORRY.

WE HAVE A LANGUAGE ALTER OWN AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND I DIDN'T USE AN ACRONYM, BUT IT WAS CLOSE.

SO ON THE, ON THE FIRE SCENE BECAUSE OF THE STRESS AND THE STRENUOUS ACTIVITY INVOLVED IN THE WORK, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT SIMPLE TERMS THAT OUR PERSONNEL TAKE BREAKS SO THAT THEY DON'T BECOME DEHYDRATED OR DON'T HAVE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.

AND SO THAT IS ACCOMPLISHED BY, UH, THAT NECESSARILY FREQUENT, BUT THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF REST BREAKS AS WELL AS A WATER OR SOME TYPE OF, UH, GATORADE AND AS WELL AS A NOURISHMENT ON THE SCENE.

AND SO BOTH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE DONATED UNITS TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE IT'S, UH, COMPOSED OF A GROUP OF, UH, MAINLY A RETIRED FIRE AND EMS PERSONNEL WHO'VE COME TOGETHER AND THEY COME OUT TO THE FIRE SCENES AT ANY HOUR OF THE DAY, AND THEY'LL SET UP TABLES WHILE YOU HAVE REFRESHMENTS AND YOU CAN TAKE REST BREAKS, BUT IT'S, THEY DO MORE THAN THAT.

UH, THEY COME OUT WITH MISTING FANS, IF IT'S A HOT DAY WHERE THEY CAN KEEP YOU COOL, UH, CHAIRS THAT YOU CAN, UH, DROP YOUR ARMS DOWN INTO ICE WATER.

SO IT KEEPS YOUR BODY TEMPERATURE DOWN.

AND THEN IF IT'S THE OPPOSITE, UH, THEY'LL BRING OUT A LARGE UNIT.

MOST LIKELY ONE OF THE TWO WE DONATED THAT HAD AN INTERIOR AREA THAT HAS HEAT, WHERE WE COULD KEEP, UH, KEEP FIREFIGHTERS WARM, UH, ON THE INCIDENT SCENE.

AND THAT THAT'S NOT FOR EVERY SCENE WE GO ON, BUT A HOUSE FIRE THAT, THAT GOES TO THE, UH, THE BETTER PART OF A NIGHT, UH, OR, OR MORE THAN FOUR OR FIVE HOURS.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF THAT UNIT.

WE DONATED, UH, CONTINUED TO DO SERVICE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, HOPEFULLY NOT FOR THE REGION FOR THE REASON OF TRAGEDY, BUT, UH, JUST TO HELP OUR DEPARTMENT WHEN WE CREATED.

NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS ON SLIDE 13, THE FIRE MARSHALL SLIDE.

HE'S BEEN, HE'S HAD 20 FIRE INVESTIGATIONS.

SO I'M GOING TO PHRASE THIS IN A WAY THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY, I WOULD NOT WANT TO ASK A QUESTION IN A WAY THAT'S GOING TO TRY TO ASK YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT ANSWERS SOMETHING THAT OFFERS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PUBLIC CONSUMPTION, BUT, UM, A LOT OF TIMES YOU SHOW US A CRITERIA LIKE NATIONAL CRITERIA, HOW YOU MEASURE THINGS AND NOT NUMBER OF STAFF NEEDED ON CERTAIN EVENTS.

AND, AND THAT'S THE THING.

SO IS, IS THERE SOME SORT OF CRITERIA THAT YOU AS A DEPARTMENT ARE USING TO MEASURE YOUR PERFORMANCE IN FIRE INVESTIGATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, HOW ARE WE FAIRING IN TERMS OF MAYBE YOUR EXPECTATIONS OR SOME OBJECTIVE EXPECTATIONS IN CLOSING CASES AND SOLVING FIRE INVESTIGATIONS? THAT'S A, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

UM, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UM, WE TRY TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OR AS CLOSE AS WE TO ANY, ANY FIRE THAT WE, WE GO TO TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT WAS CAUSED.

UH, SOMETIMES IT COULD BE SOMETHING, UH, AS IMPORTANT, BUT AS OBVIOUS AS AN APPLIANCE, AND WE MAY DO SOME RESEARCH AND WE FOUND OUT THERE'S SOME TYPE OF RECALL ON THAT APPLIANCE.

AND SO OUR FIRE MARSHALL WOULD CONDUCT THAT RESEARCH FOR US.

AND MAYBE WE COULD OFFER THAT CITIZEN, SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION THAT THIS WAS A PROBLEMATIC APPLIANCE.

YOU NEED TO CONTACT THIS PERSON.

BUT IF IT'S A, UH, IT'S A, IF IT'S A FIRE AND WE'VE HAD, UM, MAJOR DAMAGE, UH, WE ALWAYS CALL THE FIRE MARSHALL OUT TO GIVE IT A LOOK.

WE, FIRST OF ALL, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ACCIDENTAL IN NATURE.

IT WASN'T ANYTHING SUSPICIOUS OR MALICIOUS IN NATURE.

AND SO THE FIRE MARSHALL HELPS TO, UH, TO RULE THAT IN OR RULE THAT OUT AND RULE THAT OUT.

IN MOST CASES IN GOOCHLAND, I'M HAPPY TO SAY, UH, CERTAINLY IF THERE'S EVER AN INJURY ON THE FIRE GROUND OR A INJURY TO US, A CITIZEN OR CIVILIAN, UM, IF A PERSON IS BURNED AND THE FIRE MARSHALL FOLLOWS UP WITH THAT PERSON IN THE HOSPITAL TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THE, THAT BURN OCCUR.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, HOW CAN THAT COULD, HOW COULD THAT HAVE BEEN PREVENTED? UH, SO WE DO FIRE INVESTIGATIONS ON ALL OF OUR SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS.

WE DON'T ALWAYS CALL THE FIRE MARSHALL OUT FOR A, UH, CAR FIRE, BUT CERTAINLY IF THERE IS A SERIOUS INJURY THAT WE THINK WAS CAUSED BY FIRE OR DEATH, THEN THEY WOULD COME OUT FOR THAT.

SO TO REALLY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, I THINK WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS AS FAR AS OUR APPROACH,

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UH, TO WHEN WE DO.

AND WHEN WE DO NOT USE THE FIRE MARSHALL, UH, SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES, UH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE VERY OBVIOUS TO US TO TODAY.

FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WASN'T AN INSURANCE, UM, INSURANCE AND FIRE INVESTIGATOR EVENT THAT WAS HELD AT CENTERVILLE COMPANY THREE, WHERE THEY WERE TEACHING FIRE INVESTIGATORS THAT WORK FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAYS THAT DIFFERENT FIRES START.

AND IT WAS SOME AMAZING DEMONSTRATIONS.

AND I WANT TO SAY THAT ONE STUCK IN MY MIND THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET OUT RIGHT NOW ON THE TABLE IS HEAT LAMPS.

EVERY YEAR, WE SEE A PETS THAT ARE BURNED IN FIRE, WHETHER IT BE AGRICULTURE OR PUPPIES OR KITTENS OR WHATEVER, FROM A HEAT LAMP THAT FALLS INTO A BED OF STRAW AND CATCHES A SHED ON FIRE AND BURNS UP ANIMALS.

AND SO HOPEFULLY IF ANYONE'S LISTENING, THEY'LL TAKE, UH, ADDED PRECAUTIONS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A DEMONSTRATION THERE TODAY OF THAT, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO, TO GIVE YOU GIVE INFORMATION ON HOW TO PREVENT THAT.

BUT OUR FIRE MARSHALL DOES A GREAT JOB.

AND WHILE WE ONLY HAVE ONE AND HE IS PART-TIME, HE DOES THE WORK OF A FULL-TIME FIRE MARSHALL PLUS SOME.

AND WHEN HE'S NOT AVAILABLE, WE HAVE, UM, MUTUAL AID WITH OUR SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS.

FOR EXAMPLE, PALATINE COUNTY JUST RECENTLY HELPED US ON TWO OCCASIONS.

IN THE LAST 30 DAYS, THEY DID A SIGNIFICANT FIRE INVESTIGATION AND THEY ALSO MONITORED A FIREWORK SHOW.

THAT WAS A PERMITTED FIREWORK SHOW IN THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE OUR FIRE MARSHALL WAS SOMEWHERE ELSE DOING SOMETHING ELSE OR GETTING BUSIER.

AND THAT DAYS OF OPERATING WITH ONLY ONE FIRE MARSHAL ARE, ARE PRETTY MUCH LIMITED GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION, RIGHT.

BUT DIDN'T PROMPT ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE TO, YOU WANT ME TO SHARE JUST MR. REAL QUICK? I WON'T TAKE THAT MUCH TIME HERE, BUT FIRST CHIEF, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.

AND, UH, UM, I WISH YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAD VERY LITTLE TO DO, BUT YOU'VE BEEN VERY BUSY, UNFORTUNATELY.

AND, UH, SO MY, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, UM, IS, ARE WE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, UH, TO TAKE CARE OF YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE DELIVERING THAT SERVICE? I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF REDUCING PROPERTY DAMAGE.

SO WHAT I'M THINKING IS ALONG THE LINES OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WASHROOMS TO WASH OFF CARCINOGENICS AFTER THEY RESPOND TO CALLS, UM, HYDRAULIC STRETCHERS TO REDUCE BACK INJURIES, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARE OF OUR PEOPLE.

SO IF THERE ARE THINGS, THE SCAVENGERS THAT TAKE THE EXHAUST FUMES OUT OF THE BAYS, WHEN YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF LITTLE THINGS, SO WE'RE TAKING CARE OF OUR PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING CARE OF US KIND OF THING.

SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES, JUST PLEASE BRING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS ARE ON OUR MIND AND WE ARE MAKING SOME PROGRESS IN THOSE AREAS.

UH, IT'S OUR GOAL THAT ALL OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS HAVE TWO SETS OF TURNOUT GEAR.

IT'S RE IT'S ROUGHLY $4,000 FOR A SET OF TURNOUT GEAR.

AND THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT IF YOU GO TO A FIRE AND YOU GET YOUR GEAR, I'LL JUST SAY DIRTY, THEN YOU DON'T CONTINUE TO WEAR THAT GEAR AND SPREAD THAT CONTAMINANT AROUND.

AND THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO A CANCER PREVENTION.

BUT SOME OF OUR CHALLENGE, HONESTLY, ON PROVIDING THE TWO SETS OF TURNOUT GEAR AS A STORAGE FACTOR.

AND SO WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, F FACILITIES TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE PLACES IN THE FACILITY THAT WE COULD HAVE BETTER STORAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE RACKS THAT YOU SAW ON THE SLIDE THAT WERE PUT IN A COMPANY TOO.

IF WE EXPANDED THAT TO ALL SIX OF OUR STATIONS, WE CAN STORE THAT GEAR BETTER, AND IT WOULD BE MORE SERVICEABLE WHEN WE NEEDED IT.

UH, STRETCHERS, WE ARE WELL ON OUR WAY TO HAVING POWER STRETCHERS, UH, ON ALL OF OUR AMBULANCES.

UH, AND WE DON'T BUY A NEW AMBULANCE ANYMORE WITHOUT A STRETCHER, AS WELL AS THE LOADING SYSTEM, WHICH HELPS, UH, IT'S SAFER FOR PATIENTS.

IF THE VEHICLE GOD FORBID WAS INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT IS DESIGNED IS TO KEEP THAT STRETCHER RETENTION.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, IT KEEPS, KEEPS OUR FOLKS FROM HAVING BACK INJURIES, LIFTING, UH, PATIENTS, UH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THE AMBULANCES ARE PRETTY MUCH STAFFED BY TWO PERSON CREWS AND THEY CALL FOR HELP IF THEY NEED, BUT SOMETIMES YOU GET ON THE SCENE AND YOU HAVE A CRITICAL PATIENT.

IT'S JUST THE TWO OF YOU.

UH, WE WILL ALL PUSH OURSELVES TO GET THAT PATIENT LOADED FOR THE BEST SITUATION TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL.

SO, BUT THANK YOU FOR A THEIRS AND DIESEL EXHAUST IS A ANOTHER ONE.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A NON-TRADITIONAL WAY OF CAPTURING DIESEL EXHAUST.

UH, WE'RE STILL STILL GETTING REFERENCES, UH, WHETHER THAT PRODUCT WILL DO WHAT WE THINK IT'LL DO WITHOUT MODIFYING THE FIRE STATIONS.

IMPRESSED WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU, I SHOULD'VE ASKED YOU ABOUT THE REHAB AT THE FIRE SCENE.

SO, UM, DO YOU WANT TO LEAD INTO THE NEXT PART? UM, WE, WE, I THINK NOBODY'S SIGNALING THAT EVERYBODY.

SO I THINK WE'RE OKAY.

UM, WE'RE SEEING FEWER APPLICANTS FOR OUR HIRING PROCESSES, BUT WE'RE ALSO, WE'RE SEEING FEAR OF VOLUNTEERS AND IT HAS AFFECTED OUR VOLUNTEER PARTICIPATION.

I'LL TRY TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO MOVE QUICKLY.

UH, SO IN OUR PRESENTATION, WE JUST DID IT.

YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT LAST NORMAL SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT,

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UH, FUTURE CHALLENGES.

AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, UM, ARE NOT FUTURE CHALLENGES, THEY'RE THINGS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING NOW.

AND ALSO IN THE FUTURE, I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE AS AN ORGANIZATION IS RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION, AND THAT IS A VOLUNTEER PERSONNEL AND ALSO CAREER PERSONNEL.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UM, IT'S DISHEARTENING TO SEE FOLKS LEAVE THE ORGANIZATION AFTER YOU PUT, AFTER EVERYONE WORKS SO HARD COLLECTIVELY TO GET SOMEONE TRAINED AND WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO WORK ON THEIR OWN AND THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED, AND THEN YOU SEE THEM LEAVE AND GO TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UH, SHERIFF CHRISSY RECOGNIZED THIS AND CERTAINLY THINK THAT HE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD TO YOUR ATTENTION BACK IN JUNE.

UM, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY LIVING IT NOW BECAUSE SINCE, UH, SINCE THEN, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOSING, UH, CAREER MEMBERS TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IT'S IMPORTANT, UH, AS, AS FIRE RESCUE ADMINISTRATION OR AS A FIRE CHIEF TO, UH, RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A WORKFORCE THAT WORKS TOGETHER AND SOME HAVE VOLUNTEERS AND SOME ARE CAREER MEMBERS, AND IT TAKES EVERYONE TO GET THE JOB DONE.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE CARE OF BOTH TYPES OF THE WORKFORCE, AND CERTAINLY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

UM, WE ALL WORKED TOGETHER AND WE REDUCED THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX FOR ONE VEHICLE FOR OUR VOLUNTEER MEMBERS.

AND THEN THE VIRGINIA FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION JUST LAUNCHED A STATEWIDE RECRUITMENT CAMPAIGN FOR VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS.

AND WE'RE GOING TO RIDE THAT AS FAR AS WE CAN TO BRING IN MORE VOLUNTEER PERSONNEL, BUT TODAY'S, UH, TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS ABOUT OUR CAREER MEMBERS THAT THE CAREER WORKFORCE, AND THERE ARE SOME, UM, ALARM BELLS GOING OFF IN MY MIND THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT I NEED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, UM, SOUNDING THE ALARM, SO TO SPEAK, UH, BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING IT ALL STARTED, UH, ABOUT IN 2019, UH, SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY ANNOUNCED, UH, A REALLY, UH, REALLY UNHEARD OF AGGRESSIVE PAY INCREASE.

AND WE NEVER THOUGHT SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, UH, WE, WE HAVE A CLOSE TIE TO THE FIRE CHIEF IN SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY, ONE OF OUR VOLUNTEER MEMBERS, UM, BUT WE DON'T BOARD A SPOTSYLVANIA, BUT WE'VE LOST A MEMBER OF THE SPOTSYLVANIA.

AND THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT AROUND THE STATE AND THEN ALONG CAME COVID AND MEMBERS STARTED LEAVING DEPARTMENTS AND LAST FALL, CHESTERFIELD FIRE AND EMS ANNOUNCED A, A HUGE PAY INCREASE FOR THEIR FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS.

AND THEN THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS ALSO MET WITH A SIMILAR PROPOSAL THAT'S TAKEN EFFECT BEHIND RYKO COUNTY, AND THEN IT WAS HANOVER COUNTY.

AND THEN WE STARTED, UH, FEELING THAT, FEELING THE EFFECTS OF THAT.

SO WHAT I WANT TO TELL YOU IS TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS ABOUT RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION, AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR CAREER MEMBERS AND THEIR OBJECTIVE ONE IS TO HAVE BETTER RECRUITMENT, TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY, TO BRING THEM IN SO THAT WE CAN GET THE NUMBERS.

WE NEED TO FILL OUR POSITIONS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SEEING THE NUMBERS APPLYING FOR JOBS THAT WE ONCE DID JUST A SHORT WHILE AGO.

THE OTHER OBJECTIVE IS TO RETAIN THEIR PERSONNEL.

SO THAT, THAT TALENT DOESN'T GO OUT THE DOOR.

WHEN WAS SPEAKING EARLIER, I THOUGHT HE WAS DOING MY PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A WORKFORCE PROBLEM ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN INCREASE THE STARTING SALARY TO RECRUIT MORE PERSONNEL INCREASE THE SALARY OF THE CURRENT PERSONNEL SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO LOOK TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE.

UH, IT'S BEEN COMMON ALL THESE YEARS AT FIREFIGHTERS WOULD WITH THEIR DAYS OFF, WOULD HAVE SECOND JOBS, BUT IF THEY'RE DOING FIRE AND EMS, I'D LIKE THEM TO DO THAT HERE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, AS OPPOSED TO GETTING OFF WORK HERE AND GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND SO SOME OF THAT IS GOOD BECAUSE IT BRINGS BACK NEW IDEAS AND, YOU KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED OUR PEOPLE HERE IN THE COUNTY.

THE OTHER THING IS, UM, WE'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE PERSONNEL, THE YEARS OF SERVICE WITH SALARY STEPS.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS A RETENTION TOOL, CAREER DEVELOPMENT.

WE CONSTANTLY HEAR FROM OUR CAREER PERSONNEL, BUT THEY DON'T NEED TO TELL US, I KNOW IT AS A FIRE CHIEF THAT WE DO NOT HAVE CAREER DEVELOPMENT.

SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO A FIREFIGHTER WHO COMES IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PAY SCALE, DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A TRAVEL PLAN TO MOVE THROUGH THE PACE PLAN.

SO THEY ASKED ME CHIEF, HOW CAN I GET TO THE, HOW CAN I GET TO THE MIDPOINT? AND CERTAINLY A, YOU ALL HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB, UH, DOING BENCHMARKING AND MERIT INCREASES.

AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THAT HAS HELPED US MOVE THROUGH OUR AIRBAG PAY BANDS, BUT YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGES OF OUR PROFESSION, MUCH LIKE A LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I LOVE SHERIFF CHRIS, HE'S STILL HERE OR THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL FACE SIMILAR, SIMILAR CHALLENGES.

THE COVID-19, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU WHAT THAT DID, BUT IT'S A HIGH RISK.

IT'S A HIGH RISK.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SHY AWAY FROM THIS BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THE RISK INVOLVED.

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COVID-19 EFFECTED OUR VOLUNTEER PARTICIPATION, AND IT AFFECTED THE ABILITY FOR THE CAREER STAFF TO, TO RECRUIT THE NUMBERS WE NEEDED.

CANCER.

UH, FIREFIGHTERS ARE PERCENT AT HIGHER RISK OF BEING DIAGNOSED BY CANCER THAN THE GENERAL US POPULATION IN 14% HIGHER RISK OF DYING OF CANCER THAN THE U S GENERAL POPULATION.

AND THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE ALL OF THE OTHER NORMAL, NOTHING NORMAL ABOUT IT, BUT ALL THE OTHER OPERATIONAL RISK OF THE DANGER OF, UH, FIRE-FIGHTING INTERIOR FIREFIGHTING, UH, IMMEDIATELY DANGEROUS TO LIFE ENVIRONMENTS, AS WELL AS, UM, VALANCE TRAFFIC ON THE ROADWAYS, ALL OF THESE THINGS WE BELIEVE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, MENTAL HEALTH, MENTAL HEALTH HAS COMING IN AND WE BELIEVE THERE'S JUST NOT THE INTEREST IN PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO THESE JOBS MANDATORY OVERTIME, UH, MANDATORY OVERTIME IS SORTA, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

IF YOU WERE WORKING IN A FIRE STATION AND YOU WOKE UP ONE MORNING AND YOU WERE PLANNING TO GO OFF DUTY AND A COUPLE OF YOUR, UM, COWORKERS THAT ARE COMING TO WORK THAT DAY HAD TO CALL IN SICK BECAUSE THEY'RE SICK OR THEY HAVE A SICK CHILD OR WHATEVER, THEN WE MAY HOLD YOU AGAINST YOUR WILL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE NUMBERS ON DUTY AND ALL THE FIRE STATIONS IN ORDER TO ANSWER THE CALLS.

AND THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT A, UM, NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT WE LIKE TO DO, BUT WE HAVE TO DO TO OPERATE IN SOME SITUATIONS.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A SNAPSHOT OF OUR LAST HIRING PROCESS.

WE'VE DONE TWO HIRING PROCESSES SINCE ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THESE AGGRESSIVE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OCCURRED IN THE REGION AND OUR NUMBERS ARE WAY DOWN THE MOST RECENT ONE.

WE JUST DID A FEW WEEKS AGO AND WE HAD 34 PEOPLE APPLY FOR FIVE POSITIONS, BUT THE DAY OF THE TEST, ONLY 14 PEOPLE SHOWED UP.

AND THEN WHEN THEY TOOK THE TEST, WE HAD FOUR PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T PASS THE PHYSICAL AGILITY TEST.

SO IT LEFT US WITH 10 ELIGIBLE CANDIDATES TO FILL FIVE POSITIONS, BUT THREE OF THE 10 DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE TRAINING.

THEY WERE EMT OR EMS PERSONNEL, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE TRAINING.

SO THEREFORE WE'RE IN THAT PROCESS NOW.

SO OUR NUMBERS ARE LOW, UH, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, OF RECRUITMENT, LOOKING AT, UH, STAFFING A DAY, WE TRY TO HAVE, WE START TODAY OUT WITH A, ROUGHLY ABOUT 15 CAREER PERSONNEL ON DUTY.

NOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THREE PEOPLE ON EVERY FIRE ENGINE FOR SAFETY, EFFICIENCY, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE THINGS TO GO TO GO TO CALLS, BUT WE WILL DROP DOWN AS LOW AS 12 PEOPLE WORKING TODAY.

IF IT GETS TO 11, WE'RE GOING TO EXERCISE MANDATORY OVERTIME, BUT WE NEED, UM, WE NEED ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE.

AND WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE OUR NUMBERS WE'VE LOST SIX PEOPLE TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN THE LAST, SINCE LAST FALL, BUT WE'VE LOST FIVE PEOPLE SINCE JULY.

WE LOST ONE FIREFIGHTER TO HANOVER COUNTY.

WE LOST ONE TO THE GOOCHLAND SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BECAME A DISPATCHER ONE TO SPOTSYLVANIA FIRE AND RESCUE.

UH, WE HAD ONE PART-TIME EMPLOYEE WHO WORKS FOR FAIRFAX, FIRE AND RESCUE WHO DECIDED TO RESIGN HERE PART-TIME BECAUSE HE COULD MAKE MORE MONEY WORKING OVERTIME AT HIS REGULAR JOB.

AND THEN WE LOST A FIREFIGHTER TO PRIVATE BUSINESS.

SO THE CONCERN IS WE DON'T BUILD IN EXTRA POSITIONS INTO OUR STAFF AND NUMBERS.

FOR EXAMPLE, MOST PARTY DEPARTMENTS.

IF THEY WERE GOING TO HIRE 15 PEOPLE TO OPEN A NEW FIRE STATION, THEY WOULD USE A MULTIPLIER.

THEY WOULD HIRE 21 INSTEAD BECAUSE THEY WOULD USE THOSE OTHER POSITIONS TO COVER SICK, LEAVE, VACATION TIME, MILITARY LEAVE WORKERS' COMP LIGHT DUTY, ALL THAT STUFF DETRACTS FROM YOUR, YOUR STAFF AND PICTURE.

SO OUR STAFF AND IS BUDGETED FOR AT A VERY CONSERVATIVE LEVEL TO START WITH ONE OF THE MOST RECENT FIRES WE HAD, UH, WAS THE DOVER BRANCH, UH, LANE FIRE, UH, VERY TRAGIC SITUATION.

UH, WE HAD, UH, 24 PERSONNEL RESPOND FROM GOOCHLAND AND WE, THANKFULLY WE HAD, THERE WERE 15 CAREER MEMBERS AND NON VOLUNTEER MEMBERS.

THANK GOODNESS THAT WE HAD EVERYONE TO HANDLE THAT FIRE, BUT THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH A DEFENSIVE EXTERIOR OPERATION.

AND HAD IT BEEN AN INTERIOR OPERATION, IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED MORE PEOPLE.

AND PLUS WE HAD A BIG WATER SUPPLY GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME.

AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT NSPA TALKS ABOUT, WHAT THE NUMBERS IT TAKES TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY AND EFFICIENTLY HANDLE CERTAIN TYPES OF FIRES, THE LARGER A FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENTS IN THE AREA.

THEY'VE KIND OF CAUGHT ONTO WHAT WE WERE DOING, UH, YEARS AGO AND NOT TOO LONG AGO, IF YOU WANTED TO GO TO WORK FOR AN RYKO OR CHESTERFIELD CITY RICHMOND, YOU COULD HAVE ALL THE TRAINING IN THE WORLD, BUT THEY WOULD STILL PUT YOU THROUGH THEIR, THEIR LONG 24, 26 WEEK RECRUIT SCHOOL, NO

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MATTER WHAT TRAINING YOU BROUGHT IN WITH YOU, BUT NOW THEY FIGURED OUT AND THEY, AND THEY'RE HURTING FOR PEOPLE JUST LIKE WE ARE THAT THEY CAN HIRE PERSONNEL THAT ARE, PRE-CERTIFIED JUST LIKE WE TRY TO.

SO THAT POOL OF PERSONNEL IS NOT AS LARGE AS IT USED TO BE.

SO WE DON'T GET THE NUMBERS TO APPLY, BUT THE NUMBERS AREN'T AVAILABLE.

AND SO WE'RE JUST AROUND THE, JUST ONE DECISION AWAY FROM HAVING TO HAND, HAVE A RECRUIT SCHOOL FOR BRINGING PEOPLE IN, WITHOUT ANY TRAINING AND ACTUALLY TRAINING THEM.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT.

UM, THE OTHER CONCERNS IN THE REGION ARE THE DIFFERENT PAY BANDS.

UM, CERTAIN THINGS HAVE AFFECTED THAT EVERYTHING FROM, FROM COVID TO THE CIVIL UNREST, UH, AND IT JUST PLAYING OUT COMPRESSION IN THE PAY BANDS.

AND THEN WE LOOK AT A PARODY WHERE WE WANT TO BE ON THE SAME LEVEL WITH, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS.

WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT, AND IT'S NOT JUST HERE IN GOOCHLAND.

WE THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS IN MOST OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THE CAREER DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY GIVE, UH, A FIREFIGHTER EMT, A LITTLE MORE COMPENSATION, IF THEY ACHIEVED MORE EDUCATION, MORE TRAINING ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE, BACHELOR DEGREE, CERTAIN TYPES OF SKILLS THAT ARE HIGHLY, HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER THIS IS SOME OF THE STARTING SALARIES IN THE REGION FOR, FOR THREE DIFFERENT POSITION TYPES.

YOU CAN SEE FIREFIGHTER.

UM, IF YOU WERE, UH, A BATTALION CHIEF, UH, IN, IN HANOVER, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD START AT 89,000, BUT WE START AT 70,303.

UH, WE DO WHAT WE CAN.

WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE TAX BASE THAT THE LARGER JURISDICTIONS DO, BUT WE, WE CERTAINLY, UM, CERTAINLY NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE SOMEHOW.

AND OTHER FIREFIGHTERS START HERE AT 46,000, BUT IN HANOVER, THEY WOULD START AT, UH, AT 50,000.

AND SO THIS IS THAT COMPETITION OUT THERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMPETE WITH IN ORDER TO GET, UH, THE RIGHT PERSONNEL IN THE DOOR, ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT COMPENSATION, THAT'S A TOPIC, ALL OF ITS OWN.

UH, I WOULD SAY THERE'S NO OTHER TOPIC DISCUSSED MORE WITH, UM, WITH FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENTS ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO PAY A PARAMEDIC, A PARAMEDIC COSTS APPROXIMATELY $20,000 TO TRAIN, TO TRAIN A PARAMEDIC, YOU KNOW, AND AT LEAST TWO YEARS TO GO THROUGH THAT SCHOOL.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO GET A PARAMEDIC THAT HAS A NEW CERTIFICATION THROUGH A FIELD INTERNSHIP PROGRAM.

AND AN EXPERIENCED PARAMEDIC IS, IS ONE OF THE MOST HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER SPECIALTIES THAT FIRE, FIRE SERVICE NEEDS.

THERE'S ALL SORTS OF SPECIALTIES, HAZMAT AND TECHNICAL RESCUE, BUT ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT IS PROBABLY THE ONE OF THE BIGGEST.

AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAY FOR ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT PROVIDERS, UH, WE PAY WELL, BUT WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND THE REGION THERE.

AND SOME OF THOSE SIX PEOPLE THAT I TOLD YOU LEFT, UH, ONE, THE, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN WHO WENT TO SPOTSYLVANIA WAS AN EXPERIENCED PARAMEDIC.

AND WHEN HE WENT BACK TO FAIRFAX WAS ALSO AN EXPERIENCED PARAMEDIC.

WE HAVE ABOUT 20, UM, 20 ALS PROVIDERS IN THE CAREER SIDE.

UH, SOME ARE, SOME ARE OFFICERS, UH, THE DEPUTY CHIEF, THE FIRE MARSHALL, OUR PARAMEDICS, I'M A PARAMEDIC.

AND CERTAINLY, UM, CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE AREAS OF SPECIALTY THAT THAT'S REALLY HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER.

I'LL ALSO TELL YOU THAT I ASK I'VE ASKED AROUND THE REGION AND ALL THE FIRE CHIEFS ARE PRETTY MUCH, UH, ON THE SAME PAGE, THAT IF YOU HAVE A, IT TAKES ABOUT TWO YEARS TO BRING A PERSON IN AND TRAIN THEM, TO GET THEM TO THE POINT THAT THEY CAN WORK ON THEIR OWN, UH, AND PERFORM IN THE WAY THAT, THAT, THAT YOU WANT THEM TO PERFORM.

AND ESPECIALLY IN GOOCHLAND, BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING WITH SMALLER, SMALLER NUMBER OF CREWS, AND WHEN A PERSON WALKS OUT THE DOOR AFTER AN INVESTMENT LIKE THAT, THAT'S A HUNDRED, AT LEAST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS GOING OUT THE DOOR.

AND IT'S DISHEARTENING.

AS I HAD SAID IN THE BEGINNING TO SEE THAT TALENT, UH, THAT WE'VE WORKED SO HARD TO FOSTER AND CULTIVATE GO OUT THE DOOR.

SO IN SUMMARY, AND GETTING TO THE POINT TO, TO PLEASE, UH, BE ABLE TO ASK A REQUEST FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, FIRE RESCUE IS REQUESTING PLEASE FOR A 12% COMPENSATION INCREASE SO THAT WE CAN COMPETE WITH OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS RECRUIT AND RETAIN OUR, OUR PERSONNEL PARAMEDIC PAY WOULD GO FROM $5,000 TO $7,000 AND INTERMEDIATE, WHICH IS ALSO A FORM OF ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT WOULD GO TO 4,004, OUR FYE TWENTY-THREE BUDGET REQUEST.

UH, WE WILL BRING YOU A CAREER DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FOR CONSIDERATION THAT WILL ALSO HELP WITH, UH, RETENTION.

UH, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.

AND SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, I HOPE I'VE EXPLAINED IT WELL.

UH, CERTAINLY, UH, NO, YOU HAVE A LOT OF, UH, DIFFERENT

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NEEDS IN THE COUNTY AND COMPETING FOR THE, THE REVENUES THAT WE HAVE.

UH, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY, UM, MAKE THE REQUEST, UH, IN A, IN A HUMBLE WAY AND FOR CONSIDERATION, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

SO THE IMPACT, ACCORDING TO THE BUDGET ITEM IS $225,000.

THIS IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, I WILL, UH, LET MS. WACKER TO TAKE OVER.

THAT'S CORRECT IT IF YOU, UH, USING OUR CURRENT SALARY.

UM, AND OF COURSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO INCLUDE BENEFITS IF YOU WOULD, UM, DO A 12% INCREASE TO ALL THE SALARIES IN OUR CURRENT, UH, ON OUR CURRENT SCALE, IT WOULD COST $450,000 A YEAR, INCLUDING BENEFITS.

SO IF WE ENACT THIS JANUARY 1ST, THEN IT WOULD CAUSE TO FINISH OUT THE $225,000.

USUALLY LIKE TO LET THE OTHER BOARD GO AHEAD, BUT I'LL JUST FIRE AWAY.

A FEW THINGS, UM, PARAMEDIC YOU'RE DOING YOU'RE, YOU'RE STICKING TO OUR, UH, WELL, THE INTERMEDIATE ON THE SCREEN THAT'S IS THAT ADVANCED LIFESTYLE.

SO IT IS, UH, AN EMT INTERMEDIATE AS A CERTIFICATION, UH, THAT THE STATE OF VIRGINIA CONTINUES TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO RENEW, BUT THEY NO LONGER TEACH IT'S GOING AWAY.

IT'S GOING AWAY.

PARAMEDIC IS THE STANDARD, SO, OH, SO WHEN IT, WHEN IT GOES AWAY, IF IT GOES AWAY OR HOW ARE YOU GOING TO, WELL, THERE'LL BE A COUPLE OF, COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS, UH, TO START WITH THERE.

ISN'T A DATE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PHASE IT OUT.

ANYONE WHO HAS THAT CERTIFICATION TODAY CAN CONTINUE TO RENEW IT INTO THE FUTURE, BUT THEY'LL JUST BE NO MORE NEW INTERMEDIATE.

WE DO HAVE TWO INTERMEDIATE CAREER INTERMEDIATE, AND THEY WOULD HAVE A CHOICE TO, TO GO UP TO PARAMEDIC, OR THEY COULD GO DOWN TO DOWN IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, RECLASSIFIED TO AN ADVANCED EMT, BUT THAT IS NOT THE ADVANCE WHILE THE ADVANCED EMT LEVEL IS A VERY GOOD LEVEL OF CARE.

IT IS NOT A LEVEL THAT WE HAVE BUILT INTO OUR COMPENSATION PLAN BECAUSE OUR STANDARD IS, IS PARAMEDIC JUST KIND OF CURIOUS AGAIN, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, BUT I NOTICED HENRICO HAS A PERCENTAGE FOR THEIR PARAMEDICS AND THERE'S THERE WAS THERE SOME THINKING AS TO WHY YOU'RE STICKING WITH WHAT OTHER SEEM TO DO IS JUST A BASE NUMBER.

IT, MY SENSE AGAIN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RUNNING IT, BUT MY SENSE IS THAT THIS IS A RETENTION FOCUSED.

THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, A COUPLE, COUPLE THINGS THERE.

THEY MIGHT GO DOES HAVE A PERCENTAGE, BUT RYKO ALSO HAS MANY STEPS IN THEIR, IN THEIR FIREFIGHTER, UH, PAY PLANS AND THEY HAVE CAREER DEVELOPMENT.

AND AT ANY GIVEN TIME, THAT PERCENTAGE WOULD VARY FROM PERSON TO PERSON BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY MAKING AND WHAT CREW DEVELOPMENT LEVELS THEY'VE ALREADY ACHIEVED.

WE FELT LIKE THAT IT WAS EASILY EXPLAINABLE TO GO, TO GO, TO GO FROM 5,000 TO 7,000 IN MARROW, WHICH HAS TO FEEL FIRE AND EMS WAS DOING, IT'S A, IT'S AN EASILY EXPLAINABLE, IT'S A RECRUITMENT TOOL, UH, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT SOMEONE AND THEY WANT TO KNOW, WELL, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS YOUR ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT, UH, PAY STRUCTURE LOOK LIKE.

WE CAN TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, IT'S 7,000 FOR A PARAMEDIC.

I THINK YOU'D SEE THAT IT'S, UH, THE PERCENTAGES IS STILL SOMEWHAT COMPARABLE TO THAT PAY.

UH, BUT IT WOULD BE HARD TO, TO KNOW, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, IT IS A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THAT EMPLOYEE WOULD ALREADY BE MAKING.

LET'S THIS FOCUS, PROBABLY BOTH, BUT I MEAN, DO YOU THINK THIS IS MORE OF A FOCUS ON THE FIXED ON THE RETENTION VERSUS THE RECRUITING? OR DO YOU DO, IS THIS, IS THIS A COMPLETE DEAL? I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW I ANSWER THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY POSITIONS IN OUR BUDGETS GOING FORWARD, AS WELL AS A FIRE STATIONS THAT WE KNOW WE OPEN A NEW FIRE STATION WHERE THERE ISN'T ALREADY AN EXISTING VOLUNTEER BASE.

YOU, YOU HAVE TO OPEN THAT FIRE STATION WITH 15 PEOPLE.

SO RECRUITMENT IS PRETTY IMPORTANT, BUT WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT TODAY, UH, ON NOVEMBER, THE THIRD IS RETAINING FOLKS BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET THEM IN THE DOOR FAST ENOUGH, WE'VE GOT TO TRAIN THEM.

AND ALL THAT TALENT GOES OUT THE DOOR.

WHEN, WHEN ONE OF THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UH, HIRES ONE OF OUR EXISTING EMPLOYEES, THAT'S A BIG LOSS.

THAT'S A BIG LOSS.

IF WE, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE TIME OUR FIRE RESCUE CAREER SYSTEM STARTED IN 20, IN 2009, WE'VE LOST 18 PEOPLE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.

THE MAJORITY OF IT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, BUT FOR THE LAST, UH, YEAR OR SO, WE'VE LOST SIX PEOPLE, BUT FIVE SINCE JUNE, JULY, JUNE 1ST FIVE SINCE JUNE 1ST AND IS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS ALL WE CAN DO AND CAP, UM, SORRY, CHIEF MARQUIS, UH, DOES A WONDERFUL JOB, UH, WITH HIS MAGIC KEEPING OUR STAFF AND, UH, WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AND CHIEF WATKINS AND CHIEF GORDON.

UH, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT EVERY TIME WE LOSE, THAT'S A BIG LOSS.

WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE A SMALL WORKFORCE TO START WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 52 FULL-TIME POSITIONS, UH, IN FYE 22 AND YOU IN FIVE GO OUT THE DOOR FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, BUT IT'S DISHEARTENING TO SEE IT GO TO ANOTHER FIRE RESCUE.

UNDERSTOOD.

SO I GUESS

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SO I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT TO ANTICIPATE WHAT IS COMING DOWN THE PIKE AND BE PREPARED FOR IT FINANCIALLY IN TERMS OF RECRUITING.

BUT I, I THINK THE RECRUITING IS A, IS A TOUGH THING TO FIGURE OUT.

I MEAN, YOU HEARD THE V DOT FELLOW AND IT IS BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE HIGH RISK ASPECTS OF THE CAREER IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC AND VIOLENCE AND THE THINGS THAT YOU CITED YOU, BUT YOU FIGURE MOST PEOPLE ARE IN THEIR, IN THEIR STATE.

THEY GOT INTO IT BECAUSE THEY LIKED THE WELL I'LL GIVE YOU, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES EMPLOYEES THEY'LL TELL US, UM, WELL WE WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE THAT HAS, THAT RUNS MORE CALLS THAT RUNS CALLS IN A MORE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.

THEY WANT TO WORK FOR THE BIG CITY, OR I WANT TO BE ON A TECHNICAL RESCUE TEAM.

UH, AND ANOTHER ORGANIZATION WILL, WILL PAY ME TO BE ON A TECHNICAL RESCUE.

WE DON'T HAVE A TECHNICAL RESCUE TEAM.

WE, WE BENEFIT FROM MUTUAL AID WHEN WE CALL FOR ONE.

UH, BUT WE DO HAVE A WATER RESCUE TEAM AND THAT'S A FORM OF TECHNICAL RESCUE, BUT WE DON'T PAY EXTRA FOR WATER RESCUE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE SKILLS THAT PEOPLE DO BECAUSE THEY LIKE, THEY LIKE WATER RESCUE.

UM, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYEE, THAT'S TRYING TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

THEY'RE BEING RECRUITED TO GO TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION AND THEY HAVE THESE, THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ATTRACTS THEM AND MONEY.

AND THE MONEY IS BETTER TOO.

IT'S, IT'S NOT A HARD DECISION FOR THEM, BUT IF WE'RE PAYING, IF WE'RE ABLE TO COMPETE TO SOME DEGREE WITH THE SALARIES, THEN IT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK MORE ABOUT THAT DECISION.

AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL STAY WITH US BECAUSE GOOCHLAND FIRE RESCUE, WE'RE AN UP AND GROWING UP COMBINATION DEPARTMENT, JUST LIKE OUR MISSION.

YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE A PREMIER COMBINATION, VOLUNTEER AND CAREER DEPARTMENT.

AND SO TO GET TO THAT POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING PEOPLE WILL STAY WITH US BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES HERE FOR GROWTH AND ADVANCEMENT GOING FORWARD.

WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED.

ANY, ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BOARD MEMBERS, MR. SPOON SCREEN OUT, UH, THANK YOU, CHIEF FOR BOTH PRESENTATIONS.

UM, THIS IS, THIS IS A HARD ONE, UM, FOR A COUPLE REASONS.

AND I THINK MR. LUMPKINS WAS SORT OF ASSESSING THIS I'M A ROOT CAUSE KIND OF GUY.

LIKE I DON'T LIKE SOLVING SYMPTOMS. UM, BUT I KIND OF FEEL LIKE YOU DO NEED TO STOP THE BLEEDING AND, UM, BEFORE YOU ADDRESS IT AND WE'RE SEEING THAT, AND I THINK THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

SO FOR ME, WHILE I I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMPENSATION PIECE, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE THE OTHER PIECES, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S NOT THE ROOT CAUSE FOR EVERYTHING OR SUMMER OR OTHER, BUT THE CAREER DEVELOPMENT TO ME IS KEY.

AND I'LL TAKE THAT EVEN A STEP FURTHER.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND I'VE ASKED FOR THIS PRETTY MUCH SINCE I GOT ON THE BOARD AND I STILL NEVER SEEN IT IS I'M TOLD THERE'S A PLAN FOR VOLUNTEER RECRUITMENT YET.

I'VE NEVER SEEN IT.

UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS AN IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FOR A COMMUNITY LIKE OURS, THAT IS SO ENGAGED.

I, I, UM, I WOULD LOVE AT SOME LATER POINT, BUT NOT TOO LATE, LIKE IN THIS BUDGET SEASON TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND SEE WHAT THAT, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE'S, UM, THAT, THAT VIDEO IS DONE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS EXCELLENT IN THE RECRUITMENT VIDEO.

UM, SO THAT WE DO, I DO FEEL LIKE WE DO NEED TO STOP THE BLEEDING, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET TO THE, AS MANY OF THE ROOT CAUSES AS WE CAN.

AND I, I, I DO THINK THIS ADDRESSES SOME OF IT.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND LIKE THAT STARTED THIS OUT.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO FOCUS ON, UH, OUR VOLUNTEER MEMBERS AND OUR GROUP MEMBERS BECAUSE IT TAKES EVERYONE WE HAVE WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THE JOB DONE.

UM, AND CERTAINLY WE CAN, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THE VOLUNTEER RECRUITMENT AND VOLUNTEER RECRUITMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR WE BRING IN, UM, WE BROUGHT IN THE 23 VOLUNTEERS, SEVEN SETS, BUT RETENTION AND VOLUNTEER RETENTION IS ANOTHER ISSUE BECAUSE THE AVERAGE VOLUNTEER WOULD WORK SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THREE TO FIVE YEARS BEFORE THEY WOULD GO AND GET HIRED BY ANOTHER ORGANIZATION.

OR MAYBE SOMETIMES THEY OCCASIONALLY THEY WOULD COME TO WORK FOR US.

UH, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS WE CAN DO BETTER.

AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UM, WE ARE LOOKING, AND THIS IS AT THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF IT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY, UH, A SAFER GRANT WHERE WE COULD POSSIBLY, UM, A SAFER GRANT WOULD BE A, UH, A SUPPLEMENTAL ASSISTANCE GRANT FOR FIRE STAFFING.

AND WE COULD, WE COULD BUILD A SAFER GRANT AROUND VOLUNTEER RECRUITMENT.

MAYBE WE COULD BUILD IN SOME MORE, UM, CAREER PERSONNEL INTO THE SAME TYPE OF GRANT PROCESS.

AND I'VE JUST, UH, JUST FLOATED AN EMAIL IN THE LAST 24 HOURS TO MR. ALVAREZ AND MS. HORLOCKER ABOUT, UH, GETTING TOGETHER AND LET'S LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF, UH, IF WE COULD DO A SAFER GRANT.

I KNOW PALATINE HAS DONE A SAFER GRANT AND LOUISA HAS DONE ONE, AND THEY'VE HAD A SUCCESS WITH IT AS WELL.

UH, SO WE, WE MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE SUCCESS WITH THAT TOO.

UM, BUT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND.

AND, YOU KNOW, I COULD SIT HERE AND TELL YOU ALL DAY THAT WE, WE DO A LOT OF RECRUITMENT FOR VOLUNTEER PERSONNEL, BUT YOU WANT TO SEE THE PLAN.

I HEARD YOU SO A LITTLE OFF WE'LL WORK ON JUST ONE FALL.

FOLKS TO OTHER, OTHER LOCALITIES.

UM, SO I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE I HEARD, RIGHT.

BUT IN, IN TALKING ABOUT, YES, WE'VE LOST

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UM, AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO STOP THAT, BUT I THOUGHT I ALSO HEARD YOU SAY THAT WE'VE ALSO BENEFITED FROM OTHER LOCALITIES TRAINING AS WELL, OR IS THAT NOT? SO WE DO GET FOLKS TO COME TO US THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TRAIN.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO KNOW IT TODAY, BUT THE NET NET OF THAT, BUT HAS THERE BEEN ANY WORK REGIONALLY TO STOP PILL FREE FOLKS FROM EVERY JURISDICTION? NOT TO SAY IT THOUGH, IT'S A FREE AS, AS FAR CHEESE.

UM, WE AGREE ON A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS AND WE WORK WELL TOGETHER AND HE COULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT UP TO THE HIGHER RANKING OFFICIALS OF CITIES AND COUNTIES AND BOARDS.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVERYONE HAS AN OBLIGATION TO LOOK OUT FOR THEIR JURISDICTION.

AND HOW WOULD THAT MIGHT BE, AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY TYPE OF, UM, AGREEMENT REGION-WIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, I WON'T TAKE YOUR PEOPLE IF YOU DON'T TAKE MY, MY PEOPLE IS PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT WORD BECAUSE I DON'T OWN PEOPLE THAT WE ALL WORK TOGETHER ON THE SAME TEAM.

BUT I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.

UH, WE CERTAINLY, UM, THERE, THERE IS NO AGREEMENT THAT, THAT KEEPS THAT FROM OCCURRING AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE NEW A WORKFORCE AND THE NEW GENERATION IS THAT, UH, PEOPLE, PEOPLE DON'T WORK AT THE SAME PLACE ALL THEIR LIFE ANYMORE, AND THAT PEOPLE WILL MOVE FROM ONE ORGANIZATION TO THE OTHER FOR A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS.

AND IT'S, IT'S DISHEARTENING TO SEE THAT TOO.

BUT, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE JUST HAVE TO CONTEND WITH.

I BELIEVE, UH, FOLKS WILL CONTINUE TO ADD INTO THE DAY THE PEOPLE GET TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO WORK.

AND SO THEY GO, MR. PETERSON.

DO YOU THINK OF MS. CHAIR? UM, TOP LINE 12% COMP INCREASE.

UM, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN, UH, IF THIS IS APPROVED, HOW WOULD THAT REPOSITION US IN TERMS OF ABILITY TO ATTRACT? IN OTHER WORDS, GO BACK TO THAT CHART THAT SHOWED BEGINNING FIREFIGHTER COMPARISONS.

SO IF WE DO THIS, WHAT'S THE NET RESULT OF OUR REPOSITIONING AT OUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT 50 TO SIX 40.

SO I THINK YOUR QUESTION IS, IS HOW WOULD WE COMPARE IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED? UM, CERTAINLY, UM, OUR STARTING SALARY WOULD GO TO, UH, $52,640 BRINGING SOMEONE IN THE DOOR.

NOW WE HAVE THREE STARTING SALARIES.

WE HAVE A STARTING SALARY FOR A FIREFIGHTER EMT.

WE HAVE A STARTING SALARY FOR A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC, AND WE ALSO HAVE A STARTING SALARY FOR A FIREFIGHTER INTERMEDIATE.

SO YOU WOULD BASICALLY TAKE THAT STARTING SALARY AND ADD 7,000 ON TO IT.

IF YOU, IF, IF THE CANDIDATE WAS A PARAMEDIC AND THEN IT WOULD BE 4,000 ADDED ONTO THAT IF THEY WERE A INTERMEDIATE LEVEL ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT PROVIDER.

SO I THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO POSITION US WELL.

I BELIEVE THE STARTING SALARY FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS 53,000, 0 66.

UM, AND I THINK THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS, IS IN A GOOD POSITION, BUT THIS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, THIS IS ALL DYNAMIC.

AND, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE JURISDICTION MAKES A MOVE THE NEXT YEAR AS ADDICTION MAKES THEM MOVE.

BUT THIS WOULD PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE WOULD BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE REGION.

AND I THINK WHAT'S MISLEADING ABOUT HENRICO STARTING AT 47 TO 66 IS AFTER THEY TRAIN A FIREFIGHTER, THEY'RE GOING TO GET, UH, AN INCREMENTAL INCREASE AFTER THEY COME OFF HER PROBATION THROUGH THEIR STEP PROGRAM.

AND SO IN OUR FIREFIGHTERS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A VAGUENESS WHEN YOU LOOK AT RYKO STARTING LESS THAN WE DO THAT FIREFIGHTER THAT GOES TO WORK FROM RYKO WILL CLIMB RED ON UP QUICKLY WHEN THEY COMPLETE ROOKIE SCHOOL AND THEY COME OFF FOR PROBATION AND THEY BECOME A DRIVER, A PUMP OPERATOR, OR THEY'RE GETTING COMPENSATED FOR THOSE THINGS AS THEY MOVE THROUGH.

WHAT'D YOU SAY THE STARTING SALARY IS GOING TO BE WITH 12%, INCREASE A 50 TO SIX 40.

WHY AM I LOOK? HOW GOOD IS NOT WORKING RIGHT FOR FOUR THAT'S 46, 12% ON TOP OF 46.

WE'RE AT 47 RIGHT NOW.

40 S OH, SAYS 46.

YEAH, WE'RE JUST UNDER 50, PROBABLY JUST UNDER 52, JUST A LITTLE BIT UNDER 52.

I'VE GOT IT IN MY, UH, DETAILED SLIDES, 47 WORKS.

I DID THE MAP AND I STARTED WITH THE WRONG NUMBER.

I USE DIFFERENT NUMBERS, BUT YOU DID THE MATH, ANYTHING MS. WALKER TELLS ME FOR THE NUMBERS I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO, SHE DID IT, RIGHT.

I'M SURE.

SO, I MEAN, IF I COULD JUST MAYBE SUMMARIZE THIS IT AT THIS POINT, YOUR ASSESSMENT IS THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, MARGINALLY COMPETITIVE OR MAYBE SLIGHTLY UNCOMPETITIVE, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT WITH THE REST OF THE REGION.

AND THIS WOULD MOVE US 40 TIMES, 12% FROM LARGELY COMPETITIVE AT BEST TO, TO FULLY COMPETITIVE WITH THE REGION, BUT NOT TAKE US OUTSIDE THE, THE RANGE OF THE REGION.

THAT'S RIGHT.

50 51, 5 20

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IS WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I THOUGHT I HAD GOT AN INCREASE ON THE INCREASE.

I DIDN'T GET DISTRACTED.

IT'S ALL GOOD.

UM, YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT AS LARGE.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT FIRES BURNED THE SAME WAY HERE.

THIS DISH IS DANGEROUS.

IT MIGHT EVEN BE MORE IN SOME CASES BECAUSE WE OPERATED WITH A DECREASED STAFF, UH, MEDICAL EMERGENCIES HAPPEN THE SAME WAY.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE GOT TO HAVE ADEQUATE NUMBER OF STAFF ON DUTY.

YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, AND I KNOW I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR, BUT YOU LOOK AT THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S, UM, THAT'S GOING ON.

I SET UP A COMPANY THREE EARLY DAYS AND I TURNED AROUND AND I SEE AT ADVANCE AUTO, THERE'S A DAYCARE, THERE'S A SHOPPING CENTER AND THERE'S A WHOLE FENCE LINE.

THAT'S GETTING READY TO BE DEVELOPED, UH, INTO, UH, A MIXED USE TYPE DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING AROUND US CHANGED.

WE HAVE TO CHANGE BECAUSE EVERYTHING AROUND US CHANGED AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT CALL VOLUME, UH, THE CONGREGATE CARE FACILITIES THAT ARE GOING WHEN AVERY POINT OPENS.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN ANYTHING YET.

I FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU SEE EVERY POINT OPEN AND YOU ADD 1,250 CITIZENS, AND IF YOU THINK MAYBE THE CITIZENS WHO ARE AT EVERY POINT MIGHT REQUIRE MORE MEDICAL SERVICES THAN THE NORMAL CITIZEN.

WELL, I CAN TELL YOU IF YOU DO THEM AFTER THAT'S ON 187 CALLS PREDICATED ON TODAY'S CALL VOLUME A YEAR, BUT THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE, THE ADDITIONAL MEDICAL CARE THAT MAYBE SKILLED NURSING BEDS MAY REQUIRE OR ASSISTED LIVINGS.

SO WE'RE JUST IN A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE'RE A SMALL, WE CAN'T DO IT ALL.

UH, WE TRY TO SIT AT THE TABLE WITH THE BIG FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND WE HAVE TO PULL BACK SOMETIMES, BUT THE EMERGENCIES ARE THE SAME.

THE EMERGENCIES ARE THE SAME.

THE TRAFFIC ON 64 IS JUST AS DANGEROUS AND EVERYTHING ON 2 88 IS JUST AS DANGEROUS AS IT IS ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE IN POWER AND CHESTERFIELD.

SO THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR DILEMMA.

SO YOUR, YOUR NET TAKE ON THIS, THAT IS, IF THIS IS APPROVED, THIS WOULD RESTORE US TO A FULLY COMPETITIVE IN THE REGION.

IS THAT I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS.

NO, I UNDERSTAND IT, IT WILL, IT WILL PUT US IN A POSITION.

WE CAN BE COMPETITIVE AND WE CAN RETAIN AND RECRUIT OUR PERSONNEL, UH, BETTER.

AND CERTAINLY WE KNOW THAT, UH, THE COUNTY IS ALWAYS LOOKING AT BEING COMPETITIVE IN SALARY STUDIES AND THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.

AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR A LOT HERE, WE'RE ASKING FOR A 12% INCREASE, AND THIS IS A, THIS IS A LOT.

AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UH, MS. ROCKER, JUST THE LAST FOLLOW UP HERE, WE JUST RAN SOME REAL QUICK MEMBERS WITH A CALCULATOR IN THE BACK OF THE ENVELOPE AND 47 46, THE 2 25, WHICH WAS YOUR FULL BUDGET IMPACT.

HOW WAS THAT CALCULATED WITH THE 46 OR THE 47 OR THE, UH, IT WAS CALCULATED CORRECTLY BY SOMEONE ELSE.

UM, MS. RICE ACTUALLY CALCULATED THE FOUR 50 AND I DIVIDED IT BY TWO AND DID CORRECTLY GET TO 25.

SO, AND IT'S CALCULATED BASED ON CURRENT SALARIES.

THAT'S SOME NUMBERS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE APPROVE THE CONCEPT THAT WE'RE COMPETITIVE AND THAT FROM THE FINANCIAL SIDE, THE IMPACT IS WHAT WE CAN THINK OF IT AS THE 2 25.

AND IT'S CALCULATED ON OPEN POSITIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE FILLED OR NOT.

CORRECT.

AND I'LL ALSO SAY THAT THE, UH, COMPETITIVENESS IS IMPORTANT IN GENERAL, BUT IT'S HUGE FOR OUR ALS PAY.

AND WHEN THERE'S NOTHING BEING DISCUSSED ABOUT PAY, THERE'S ALWAYS A DISCUSSION GOING ON ABOUT ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT PAY.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR SURE.

THAT THE BOARD APPROVED THIS RESOLUTION AMENDING THE FISCAL BULL FISCAL YEAR 2022 GOOCHLAND COUNTY BUDGET BY BUDGETING AND APPROPRIATING $225,000 TO THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.

SO CHIEF CHIEF, WHEN THE CLOCK IS KIND OF WORKING AGAINST, WE HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE AT FIVE, BUT I THINK, I THINK MY TAKEAWAY IS THE DISCUSSION WILL CONTINUE BECAUSE I THINK YOU WILL, YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD AND I, AGAIN, I'M CAREFUL TO SPEAK FOR THE BOARD THAT WE SUPPORT.

THIS IS A CORE GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTION, PUBLIC SAFETY, WE SUPPORT, I THINK ARE AT LEAST FOR ME SPEAKING FOR OURSELVES, SOME OF MY TREPIDATION OR HESITANCY IS, IS THE DYNAMIC SITUATION THAT YOU ALREADY REFERRED TO.

AND I THINK IT'S THE SAME THING.

IT GIVES YOU PAUSE BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET A DIRECT QUESTION, LIKE, WILL THIS GET US THERE? WELL, YEAH, UNTIL SOMEBODY ELSE DOES SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY THAT, YOU KNOW, TAKES US AWAY FROM IT.

SO WE KNOW THAT WE ACCEPT THAT IT'S A DYNAMIC SITUATION AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT YOU, BUT WE ALSO, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, THE DYNAMIC SITUATION MAKES US NERVOUS TOO.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU HEAR V DOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE AND WE USED TO GET 60 OR SOMETHING, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD.

UM, SO I GET THE RETENTION PART IF WE NEED TO REVISIT, OR I'M SURE THE CAREER DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT.

AND THEN THE, THE RECRUITING PART WILL PROBABLY BE HAVING SOME MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.

AND WE, WE KNOW THAT, UM, SO WE, WE SUPPORT YOU AND I THINK WE HAVE TO DO A MOTION AND, UH, SEE IF IT GETS SECONDED AND SEE IF IT PASSES.

IS THAT A MOTION, MS. CHAIR, I MOVE

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THANK YOU, MR. SHARP.

THANK YOU, MR. SPOON HEROINE.

THE SECOND.

SO ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU, CHIEF FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AND, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING TO YOU SOON.

THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT ACTION.

UH, ON BEHALF OF THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, THIS HAS FAR REACHING EFFECTS.

WE ARE A COMBINATION DEPARTMENT AND WHEN WE MAKE AN INVESTMENT LIKE THIS, IT TOUCHES ALL THE ASPECTS AND FACETS OF THE ORGANIZATION.

SO THANK YOU.

AND THANKS TO ALL OF, ALL OF YOUR STAFF AND YEAH.

I'LL TELL THEM.

AND I THINK SOME OF THEM WERE WATCHING APPOINTMENTS.

WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM BEFORE WE HAVE TO SCOOT.

UM, MS. PASKOWITZ, DO I HAVE THE DEADLINE I HAD OR THE, AND YOU HAVE THE CORRECTION, THE TERM ENDING IT'S ON YOUR, SO IT'S A CORRECT, CORRECT.

ON THIS.

CORRECT ON HERE.

ALL RIGHT, BECAUSE SHE'S COMPLETING A TERM.

THAT'S ALL IT IS.

NOVEMBER 1ST, 2021, THREE, JUNE 30, 20, 23.

LET'S LET ME GET TO THE PACKET AND IT'S PAGE 87.

PAGE 87.

IF YOU'LL TELL US IF YOU'LL TELL US WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, THAT'D BE GREAT.

TERRIBLE WILL BE EFFECTIVE.

I'M LOOKING FOR THE PAGE NUMBER AND THERE HE GOES.

I FOUND IT.

I USED THE LITTLE, I USED THE THING.

OH, IT'S ON THE BIG SCREEN.

I NEVER USED THAT.

SO THEY JUST WORK WITH ME.

SO YOUR MOTION, MS. LAST GLENN, DID I HAVE, UH, LET'S SEE, MR. UH, UH, YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT, MS. BARBARA SENDS THE BALL, UH, TO, UM, THE PER MONKEY REGIONAL LIBRARY BOARD EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 1ST, 2021 FOR A TERM THAT ENDS JUNE 30TH, 2023.

THAT'S THE CORRECTION.

OUR NOVEMBER REGULAR MEETING BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

DATE.

AND, UH, WE ALSO THERE'S, I THINK MS. AT LEAST A FORMER VOLUNTEER FIRE RESCUE.

SO WE THANK HER FOR STEPPING UP AND THANK MS. MOORE FOR YOUR SERVICE BEFORE.

UM, SECOND DAY, SOMEBODY SAID SOMEBODY SECOND.

NO SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT TAKES CARE OF THE AFTERNOON SESSION.

WE'RE GOING TO RECESS TO WHERE WE GOING TO THE PARKS AND REC PARKS AND REC BUILDING AND WE'LL BE BACK AT SIX O'CLOCK.

THANK YOU AGAIN, EVERYBODY SEE YOU IN AN HOUR AND TWO MINUTES.

SHE'S GOING TO BE HONEST.

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UH, RECOGNITION.

WE'RE EXCITED TO PARTICIPATE IN TWO TO TWO PRESENTATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE VERY FUN, UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.

SO, WHICH IS ALSO FUN.

MR. PETERS.

UM, MS. , ARE YOU READY TO READ THE RESOLUTION? SO MS. MS. CASEY, WE'LL, WE'LL START RIGHT IN WITH, UH, RECOGNITION AND THEN WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AS WELL.

SO COME ON FORWARD AND, UM, MAYBE I'LL, I'LL PROBABLY JUST COME ON HERE AND STAND HERE.

WE'VE GOT A RESOLUTION MR. SKY, WHICH IS GOING TO READ WE'LL HAVE A VOTE, AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HEAR FROM YOU.

SO COME ON UP HERE AND WE HAVE OUR CAMERAMEN PHOTOS.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THE BOXES READY WITH THE SUPPLIES AND SO FORTH AND DISTRIBUTION DAY IS DECEMBER 11TH.

ONE BEHIND ME, WHEREAS MISSING AND CASEY HAS DEMONSTRATED LONGSTANDING DEDICATION AND HUMANITARIAN COMMITMENT TO THE RESIDENTS OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY.

AND WHEREAS MS. CASEY HAS SERVED AS A COURT APPOINTED SPECIAL ADVOCATE STARTING IN 2005, BECOMING THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IN 2010.

AND WHEREAS MS. CASEY HAS SERVED AS AN ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE VOLUNTEER.

AND WHEREAS MS. CASEY HAS SPENT MANY YEARS VOLUNTEERING WITH THE GOOCHLAND CHRISTMAS MOTHER PROGRAM CURRENTLY SERVING AS THE CHRISTMAS MOTHER.

AND WHEREAS MS. CASEY PUBLISHED A NEWSLETTER TO INFORM CROZIER RESIDENTS OF COMMUNITY HAPPENINGS.

AND WHEREAS THE GOOCHLAND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION HAS ENDORSED MS. CASEY FOR INDUCTION INTO THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION WALL OF FAME.

NOW THEY ARE FOR THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, DOES HEREBY RECOGNIZE AND CASEY FOR HER EXEMPLARY SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY AND ENDORSES HER INDUCTION INTO THE PARKS AND RECREATION WALL A THING .

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I'M TO HAVE A MOTION, MR. LUMPKINS.

I MOVED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE RESOLUTION WRITTEN RECOGNITION OF MS AND YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? LET ME GET BACK UP THERE.

MICROPHONE.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO SAY, UM, GREETINGS.

I THINK I SAID AT THE, UH, SUPPER THAT I WAS A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE DOING THE WORK THAT I AM BEING RECOGNIZED FOR IT.

UM, I HAVE TO SAY ONE THING THOUGH.

UM, THERE'S A MAJOR OMISSION IN MY RESOLUTION AND I NEED IT TO BE CORRECTED BY ME BECAUSE A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT PART OF MY ACCLIMATION TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY WAS THE 15 YEARS I SPENT IN COMPANY TOO.

AND I DON'T SEE THAT I WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE, UH, THE AUXILIARY FOR 10 TO 12 YEARS BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTED IT.

AND, UH, I MADE A LOT OF GOOD FRIENDS IN CROZIER AND, UM, I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE OVERLOOKED AND NOW I'LL PUT MY NEXT HAT ON BECAUSE I'M THE GUCCI OF THE CHRISTMAS MOTHER.

UM, AND THIS IS EASIER FOR ME BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.

IS THIS IT THIS RIGHT HERE.

UM, CHRISTMAS MOTHER, I, I TOOK, UH, APPLICATIONS FOR ABOUT 10 OR 12 YEARS AND IT WAS THOSE EIGHT PAGE APPLICATIONS WHERE YOU HAD TO ASK HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN THE HOUSE AND HOW MUCH DID THEY WEIGH AND WHAT SIZE WERE THEY AND WHAT DID THEY WANT AND ALL THAT STUFF.

AND SO THAT WAS MY, UM, AFFILIATION WITH CHRISTMAS MOTHER FOR MANY YEARS UNTIL JOHN GOT SICK AND THEN I COULDN'T DO

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AND SO WHEN I WAS ASKED TO BE THE CHRISTMAS MOTHER, I WAS, UM, I WAS VERY FLATTERED BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS NONPROFIT IS, YOU HAVE NO IDEA BECAUSE I DIDN'T.

AND I, AND I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I KNOW NOW ABOUT IT, THE, THE WORKERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN CHRISTMAS MOTHER ARE AMAZING.

SO BEFORE COVID, WE USED TO, UM, TAKE THE APPLICATIONS AND THEN WE'D GO SHOPPING AND THEN WE'D WRAP PRESENTS.

AND THEN WE WOULD, SO THEN COVID CAME AND COVID CAME LAST YEAR.

AND I THINK IT'S AMAZING THAT THE CHRISTMAS MOTHER PROGRAM CONTINUED LAST YEAR IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT WE COULDN'T DO ALL THOSE THINGS BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET TOGETHER.

AND, UM, SOME OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, WE CHANGED.

SO THAT THIS YEAR IT STILL REFLECTS WHAT WE HAD TO DO DIFFERENT LAST YEAR.

AND WE TOOK THE APPLICATIONS OVER THE PHONE, AND THEN ON TWO SATURDAYS, WE WERE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY CAME THROUGH IN THEIR CARS AND WE CHECK THEIR FINANCES AND SO FORTH.

AND SO ON, EVERYBODY JUST SHOWS UP.

EVERYBODY JUST DOES THEIR JOB.

IT IS AN AMAZING GROUP OF WORKERS, UM, IN CHRISTMAS MOTHER.

UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS AMAZING THAT LAST YEAR, EVEN THOUGH WE COULDN'T DO IT THE WAY WE USED TO DO IT, AND IT WAS SUDDEN, AND YOU HAD TO KIND OF MAKE DECISIONS AS YOU WENT ALONG, WE STILL SERVICED 382 ADULTS AND 268 CHILDREN.

I THINK THAT'S A LOT.

I THINK THAT'S, I THINK IT SHOWS HOW RESILIENT THE CHRISTMAS MOTHER PROGRAM IS.

AND I THINK IT ALSO SHOWS THEIR DEDICATION TO PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU LIVE IN GOOCHLAND, YOU MIGHT NOT THINK THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO NEED OUR HELP.

UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN I WAS A CASA AND I HAD TO GO INTO A HOUSE ONE TIME AND IT DIDN'T HAVE A FLOOR, IT JUST HAD DIRT.

AND I NEVER KNEW THAT THAT KIND OF A HOUSE EXISTED LET ALONE IN GOOCHLAND.

SO, UM, I, I THINK WHAT THEY DID LAST YEAR, RAISING $72,000, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO ALL THAT 83 MORE FAMILIES WERE ADOPTED.

SO I THINK IT'S KUDOS TO THE CHRISTMAS MOTHER PROGRAM THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME, WHAT THEY DID LAST YEAR WAS, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO CARRY IT ON THIS YEAR.

SO MY GOAL IS 75,000.

UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR FAMILIES THAT WANT TO ADOPT, UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT WANT TO ADOPT THE FAMILIES, WERE TRYING TO COLLECT, UM, THINGS THAT, WHAT WE DO NOW IS WE GIVE THEM A GIFT CERTIFICATE, WHICH CANNOT BE USED FOR ALCOHOL OR CIGARETTES.

UM, WE GIVE THEM A BOX OF ESSENTIALS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, PAPER TOWELS AND CANNED GOODS.

AND SO WE'RE COLLECTING THAT.

UM, AND THEN THEY WILL GET THEIR GIFT CARDS.

SO, UM, WE WORK VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL CARRY ON THE, THE, THE GOAL OF CHRISTMAS MOTHER, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T DO IT THE WAY WE USED TO DO IT, WE'RE JUST DOING IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, IF YOU LOOK ON THE BOARD IS THE CANNED GOODS, UH, OATMEAL, CEREAL, PANCAKE SYRUP, ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF BASIC.

WE DON'T WANT ANY GLASS, WE JUST WANT PLASTIC, ANYTHING TO DO WITH CLEANING, UM, THE ODOR WRITTEN SOAP AND SHAMPOO AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.

AND, UM, THE, THE SHOP, UM, I'M NOT GONNA REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT.

THERE'S SEVERAL, YOU CAN BRING ANY OF YOUR DONATIONS TO THE FIRE FIREHOUSES, BUT THERE'S ALSO COLLECTING THEM AT WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT RIVER ROAD COTTAGE? YES.

RIVER ROAD.

QUIET.

THANK YOU, SANDY.

UM, I'M ALSO, I HAD AN IDEA THAT, AND I ASKED PERMISSION BECAUSE WE USUALLY DON'T SELL ANYTHING FOR CHRISTMAS MOTHER.

AND I ASKED, UH, JOYCE KLEIN, WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT, IF I COULD, UH, HAND PAINT SOME ORNAMENTS AND SELL THEM.

AND MY GOAL WAS TO MAKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR CHRISTMAS MOTHER.

SO I STILL HAVE SOME IN CASE YOU'RE INTERESTED, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE MY THOUSAND DOLLARS AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

UM, WE WENT TO GOOCHLAND DAY, THERE WAS JOY KLEIN, AND I MET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND HOPEFULLY, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, EITHER ADOPT OR SEND MONEY OR, UM, BRING CANNED GOODS AND GIVE US WHAT WE NEED SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THE PROGRAM.

UM, THAT'S MY NUMBER OF 6, 10, 3 16 5 9 0 3.

IF YOU WANT ANY ORNAMENTS, JUST LET ME KNOW.

AND I'LL BE GLAD TO GET THEM TO YOU.

100% OF THE MONEY GOES TO CHRISTMAS MOTHER.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN VERY BUSY AND, UM, WE'VE DONE A LOT AND

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SO, UM, WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, UM, AND THE BUZZER ISN'T WORKING, WE NEED YOUR HELP.

AND, UH, I JUST HOPE THAT YOU SUPPORT AND EVERYBODY HERE SUPPORTS CHRISTMAS MOTHER BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT ORGANIZATION.

WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, BUT BEFORE I OPEN IT UP, UH, I HAVE THE ELECTORAL BOARD, UH, COME FORWARD.

IF YOU WOULD, MR. LYNN, I THINK YOU HAVE A REPORT FOR US.

AND WAS THE HIGHEST IN THE STATE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UM, ROBIN LYNN, SECRETARY OF THE GIBSON COUNTY ELECTORAL BOARD.

UM, AND WE ARE STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR ELECTION.

UM, WE HAVE PRELIMINARY, UM, UNOFFICIAL, UH, INCOMPLETE, UH, TEMPORARY, UH, NUMBERS TO REPORT TO YOU THIS EVENING.

UM, WE WILL STILL BE RECEIVING BALLOTS THROUGH NOON ON FRIDAY.

ANYTHING THAT IS POSTMARKED ON OR BEFORE ELECTION DAY WILL STILL BE CONSIDERED.

WE HAVE, I THINK ABOUT 162 OUTSTANDING BALLOTS THAT WERE MAILED, UM, HAVE NOT COME BACK YET.

WE HAVE, I THINK, 15 OR 16 PROVISIONAL BALLOTS, WHICH WILL BE RESEARCHED BY THE REGISTRAR AND THEN VOTED ON BY THE ELECTRIC BOARD ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON.

BUT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE MEDIA, IF YOU HAVE WATCHED ANY TELEVISION OR READ ANY NEWSPAPERS THAT THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION IN GOOCHLAND ARE THAT FROM GOVERNOR GLENN, YUNCKEN GOT 13,351 VOTES IN GOOCHLAND.

SO FAR AT 67% TO TERRY MCAULIFFE'S 7,441 37% FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, UH, WINSTON SEARS GOT 13,225 FOR 66%.

AND, UM, HALA AYALA GOT 7,376 WITH 37%.

UM, FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL, JASON AT 13,423 FOR 67%.

AND, UM, MARK HERRING GOT 7,415 FOR 37%, I THINK, PERHAPS OF MORE IMPORTANCE TO THIS BOARD AND TO THIS COMMUNITY.

IS IT ON THE QUESTION OF, UM, BOND FUNDING FOR SCHOOLS? THE TURNOUT WAS 17,710 IN FAVOR, THAT'S 88%.

THIS COMMUNITY SUPPORTS YOUR RESOLUTION FOR THE BOND ISSUE.

AND FOR THE COURTS THEY SUPPORT WAS 17,011 FOR 85%.

THEY SUPPORT THAT ALSO.

UM, I'M VERY PLEASED TO REPORT THOSE FIGURES.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, WE HAD EXTRAORDINARY TURNOUT, UM, WHICH BECAME EVIDENT AS WE WERE DOING 45 DAYS OF ADVANCE EARLY VOTING, INCLUDING FOR THE FIRST TIME ONE SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND TWO SATURDAYS.

UM, TOWARDS THE END OF LAST WEEK, WE REALIZED THAT WE WERE RUNNING OUT OF ONE PARTICULAR STYLE OF BALLOTS.

UM, SO WE STARTED TAKING THEM OUT OF ELECTION DAY SUPPLIES AND PLACING AN EMERGENCY ORDER WITH A PRINTER TO GET MORE BALLOTS IN ON MONDAY, WHICH WE DID EARLY TUESDAY MORNING WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE TURNOUT, WE STARTED TO DO SOME MATH AND SO WE NEED TO GET MORE BALANCE.

SO WE STARTED TO DISTRIBUTE THE RESERVE BALLOTS WE HAD, AND WE EVEN ENDED UP PRINTING MORE BALLOTS ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON AND DISTRIBUTED THEM TO THE DIFFERENT PRECINCTS.

AND WE'RE SHUFFLING BACK AND FORTH.

I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT.

ALTHOUGH WE GOT VERY CLOSE TO BEING A LOW, WE DIDN'T GET BELOW ZERO.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PROBLEMS THAT SOME OTHERS DID.

WE WERE, I THINK ON EITHER PLAN C OR PLAN D, BUT IN EVERY PRECINCT WE HAD MORE THAN HAD BEEN ANTICIPATED.

YOU MAY REMEMBER IN 2017, GOOCHLAND COUNTY HAD 62.3, 3% TURNED OUT FOR THE GUBERNATORIAL RACE

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AND THIS TIME WE THINK WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 73% TURNOUT IN GOOCHLAND, AND WE MAY BE AT THE TOP, BUT IN SEVERAL PRECINCTS, WE WERE MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT.

WE THINK MANNEQUIN WAS THE HIGHEST AT 78%, 78.3% SO FAR, UM, WHICH WAS JUST EXTRAORDINARY.

WE ENDED UP HAND COUNTING BALLOTS IN BOTH MANNEQUIN PRECINCT AND IN BLAIR, WE HAD EXTRAORDINARILY GOOD PEOPLE WORKING, UM, ON THAT RECOUNT RECONCILING THE BALLOT, COUNT EVERY 20 BALLOTS UNTIL WE GOT TO THE TOTALS.

WE HAD 215 HAND COUNTED BALLOTS AND MANNEQUIN.

AND I THINK 104 IN BLAIR OF PARTICULAR IMPORTANCE TO ME IS THAT WE HAD 88, I THINK, OFFICERS OF ELECTION SERVING ACROSS THE COUNTY WHO WERE DOING AN EXTRAORDINARY JOB ON A 17 HOUR DAY.

UM, I CANNOT SAY MORE, UM, ABOUT HOW PROUD I AM OF THEIR WORK AND WHAT THEY DID.

AND I KNOW THAT MR. SHARP, PARTICULARLY A FORMER OFFICER OF ELECTION KNOWS THE KIND OF DEDICATION THAT'S REQUIRED TO GET THAT JOB DONE.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO COMPLIMENT THE WORK OF OUR GENERAL REGISTRAR, RYAN MULLIGAN, AND HIS DEPUTY KENDALL HUTCHINSON.

ALSO THE WORK OF MY COLLEAGUES, KEITH FLANAGAN, AND WANTING TO TAILOR ALL THREE OF US WERE BUSY THE WHOLE DAY AND WILL BE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS UNTIL WE GET THE FINAL FIGURES THAT WE CAN REPORT TO YOU.

AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF I CAN, IF YOU MAY HAVE THEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. LYNN, IT WAS A COLD RAINY DAY ALL DAY.

SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK EVERYONE DID.

DEE, I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ABSENTEE BALLOTS YOU'VE PROCESSED THE MAIL-IN BALLOT? SO FAR? YOU SAY YOU HAVE A HUNDRED, ABOUT 162 OUTSTANDING.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY YOU STARTED WITH? MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO ASK IT.

WE HAD CLOSE TO 800 TO START WITH, AND I THINK MAYBE OF THE, OF THE MALE END OR IN PERSON, WE MAIL OUT HOW DO WE MAIL? AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE NUMBER BACK AND CATCH UP WITH YOU.

I KNOW WE PROCESSED 809.

IS THAT LAST SATURDAY AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE 1200.

ROUGHLY.

THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE THE RESULTS OF THE SCHOOL BOARD RACE? YES, BUT I DON'T HAVE PERCENTAGES BECAUSE IT WASN'T A COUNTY WIDE RACE.

UM, SO I CAN GIVE YOU THE TOTALS FOR THAT.

SO WE HAD BILLY JOE, LEIBOW HAD 1,654 VOTES AND ANGELA SMALL ALLEN HAD 1,859 VOTES.

I APPRECIATE THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. LINDA? UM, I, I THINK A LOT, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE, I LOOK AT THE STATE WEBSITE, UM, WHEN DOES THAT AT LEAST THIS AFTERNOON STILL SHOWING 12 OF 13, 12 PRECINCTS OF 13 REPORTING.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE LOCAL FOR THE, FOR THE GOODSON RESULTS FOR THE GOOD SHOT, I LOOK, I LOOK AT THE GOODS AND RESULTS.

I'M HAPPENED TO BE LOOKING AT THE STATEWIDE RACES, BUT YOU CAN DRILL DOWN TO LOCALITIES.

SO I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, CAUSE THE NUMBERS YOU READ TO ME, THE PERCENTAGES ARE PRETTY CLOSE, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE STILL WELL BELOW.

WHAT I SEE ON THE WEBSITE, THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS WEBSITE ARE STILL WELL BELOW THE NUMBERS YOU READ TO US.

THE STATE BOARDS WEBSITE IS A MYSTERY.

IT LISTS 13 PRECINCTS, I BELIEVE.

AND I THINK THEY HAVE CLASSIFIED OUR ACTIVE PRECINCTS, WHICH ARE 10 AND THEN ADDED THE CAP CENTRAL ABSENTEE PRECINCT.

THEN THEY'VE, I THINK CREATED THE CENTRAL ABSENTEE PRECINCT THAT THEN PROCESSES THE LATE BALLOTS AS ANOTHER PRECINCT.

AND I THINK THEY MAY HAVE CREATED A PROVISIONAL PRECINCT FOR THE 15 BALLOTS.

IT CHANGES FROM TIME TO TIME.

WE HAD GUIDANCE SET OUT TO US FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION, WHICH WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE GUIDANCE HAD BEEN CENTERED FOR THE CENTRAL ABSENTEE PRECINCT AND THE PROVISIONAL ZEROS ACROSS THE BOARD.

SO I THOUGHT MAYBE ONE OF THOSE WAS THE ONE THAT'S NOT.

SO WE EXPECT A HUN COULD BE AS MANY AS 150 IN THE LATE, UH, ABSENTEE MALIN, AND WE WILL HAVE THE 15

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THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR REPORT.

AND I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME WORK AHEAD AND NO OTHER QUESTIONS WILL THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

THANKS TO LIONEL'S.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE KELLY, WE HAVE CITIZENS.

DID YOU EVER COMMENT? YEAH, IT'S GOING TO SAY SHE JUST WANTED TO GET TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE.

WELL WE'LL OPEN UP CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD.

UM, WE DO HAVE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT, SO IF YOU'RE HERE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING ON THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULE, THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO, BUT WE'LL TAKE SOME TIME NOW TO LISTEN TO ANYONE THAT WISHES TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION AND SPEAK TO US ABOUT ANYTHING GERMANE TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY.

UH, WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD.

JUST ASK THAT YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

THERE'S A LIGHT AT THE PODIUM.

THAT'LL HELP.

IT TURNS YELLOW WHEN YOU HAVE A MINUTE LEFT AND RED, WHEN THE THREE MINUTES IS UP.

SO PLEASE COME FORWARD.

IF ANYBODY WISHES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD, GOOD EVENING, GOOD AFTERNOON, JONATHAN LAO, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.

AND, UH, THIS IS HADN'T PLANNED TO COME UP, BUT THEN YOU GAVE ME SUCH AN INTERESTING AGENDA FROM THE TWO O'CLOCK SESSION.

IT PROMPTED A QUESTION AND MS. LASKA LET AND I MADE A FIELD TRIP UP TO LOUISA COUNTY.

GOSH, SIX MONTHS AGO WHEN THE WATER LINE WAS COMING ACROSS THE, I GUESS WE'LL SAY NORTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE COUNTY.

AND, UH, THIS MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT PLACE TO ASK THE QUESTION, BUT IT SAYS YOU ALL HAVE WORKED IN AGREEMENT.

AND AS BEHALF OF THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY, I HAD SOME, I HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT WITH A WATER LINE GOING ACROSS SOME PRIME AGRICULTURE AREA, HAVE WE RESTRICTED THE ABILITY TO TAP INTO THAT WATER LINE WITH LOUISA WATER AUTHORITY THAT IS NOT GOING TO PROVIDE SUBDIVISIONS AND OTHER TYPES OF AGRICULTURAL LAND BEING TURNED INTO ROOFTOPS BECAUSE THE EMS, THE FIRE AND THE OTHER COUNTY SERVICES, BUS ROUTES, ET CETERA, COULD BE STRAPPED A LITTLE BIT.

SO, UM, I KNOW THIS ISN'T A GIVE AND TAKE, BUT I AM HOPEFUL THAT THE PERMITTING OF THE, WELL, WE'RE NOT EVEN PERMITTING IT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT, WHETHER WE SAY SO OR NOT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO START SEEING A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TAKE PLACE UP IN THAT QUADRANT OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE WATERLINE COMING THROUGH.

AND THAT WAS A CONCERN EXPRESSED TO THE WATER AUTHORITY BY MS. LASKA THAT BRILLIANTLY I MIGHT ADD.

UH, BUT, UM, IT JUST, I SAW IT ON THE AGENDA.

WE'VE GOT SOMETHING IN PLACE AND IF WE CAN, UH, PRESERVE THE RURAL NATURE OF THAT PART OF THE COUNTY, I WOULD, I WOULD BE THRILLED.

AND MR. LUMPKIN, SOMETIMES YOU DO AD HOC AND MAKE COMMENTS, SO I'LL SIT DOWN RIGHT.

AND TO SEE IF I'LL BUY IT.

HUH? UM, YEAH, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN ANSWER.

I WAS JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A YES, BUT THEN YOU PACKED IN A, YOU ADDED SOME MORE QUESTIONS.

IT DIDN'T WANT TO SAY YES TO, BUT YOUR FIRST QUESTION WAS, ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS ON, ON YEAH.

YES, BUT MR. WELL, YEAH, GO AHEAD, MR. ALVAREZ.

THAT WE KIND OF KEPT GOING BACK AND FORTH WAS SEE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN FIRE HYDRANTS.

MR. LYALL AND EVERYONE ELSE.

UM, THIS WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS I WAS KIND OF PENDING WHEN I TOOK THIS JOB.

AND SO WE, UM, MS. HUNTER AND I WENT TO LOUIS, UH, AND MET WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE I THINK WE WERE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WE WOULD SEND THE AGREEMENT WITH SOME WORDING AND HE'D COME BACK ORIGINAL OR EVEN DIFFERENT FROM, FROM THAT.

AND SO THE, THE CONNECTIONS ARE RESTRICTED TO THE, TO THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO PROCURE RIGHT AWAY THROUGH.

I THINK IT'S 14 PROPERTIES AND IT'S RESTRICTED TO ONE INCH LINE SO THAT IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE PEOPLE OUT, IF, IF THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH A WELL, AND THERE'S A LINE RUNNING BY AND THEY COULDN'T CONNECT.

SO IT'S RESTRICTED TO ONE INCH, WHICH WILL PROVIDE ENOUGH WATER FOR A HOME OR MAYBE A CONVENIENCE STORE.

IT'S NOT MY TIME I'M DONE.

SO, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THE AGREEMENT

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AND SO WE AGREED TO 750 FEET BETWEEN FIRE HYDRANTS.

ORIGINALLY, WE WERE ASKING FOR 500, OUR OWN ORDINANCE AS A THOUSAND, BUT WE WERE ASKING FOR 500, THEY ESTIMATED THAT 500 WOULD COST 500 FEET WOULD COST THEM ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS MORE.

SO WE AGREED TO SOMETHING IN BETWEEN 750 FEET.

OUR TRUCKS CARRY A THOUSAND FEET OF HOSE, SO THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH FIGHT ANY FIRE WITH THOSE HYDRANTS AND THEY CAN GET WATER IF NECESSARY, IF YOU'RE SO, UM, THE CHIEF PRESENTATION EARLY TODAY.

SO WE RUN A LOT OF CALLS IN LOUISA.

SO THAT WAS PART OF THEIR, THEIR, UM, GIVING US SOMETHING.

UM, DID I MISS ANYTHING MISSING? THE ONLY OTHER THING TO SAY IS WE WERE LIKE YOU SAY, INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT THAT PART OF THE COUNTY STATE RURAL LOUISA COUNTY WARD AUTHORITY HAS NOT GUARANTEED THAT THEY WILL OFFER WATER TO ANY PROPERTY, BUT SHOULD THEY, THEY CAN ONLY DO SO IN THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE PUT ON TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD REMAIN RURAL, THAT'S IT.

AND THESE DETAILS ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS ARE IN THE AGREEMENT ON PAGE 67 OF THE PACKET FROM THIS AFTERNOON.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TO US BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS? OKAY.

WE'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD AND MOVE INTO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE, A PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGE.

AND I BELIEVE OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY KELLY JACKSON IS GOING TO PRESENT THIS TO US.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THE AMENDMENT ISN'T RELATED TO PEARL SITUATION, AND IT WOULDN'T PREVENT WHAT HAPPENED TO PEARL FROM LEGALLY HAPPENING AGAIN, BECAUSE PEARL WAS IN THE KILLING AND YEAH, ACTIVE, KILLING, AND INJURING, NOT THE CHASING AFTER LEARNING OF THE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE TWO CODE SECTIONS, WE RESEARCHED THE LEGISLATIVE HISTORY FOR BOTH THE COUNTY ORDINANCE AND THE STATE LAW.

AS YOU MENTIONED, I'M KELLY JACKSON, DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY HERE TO PRESENT AN AMENDMENT TO ONE OF THE COUNTIES, ANIMAL CONTROL ORDINANCES.

THE AMENDMENT IS TO SECTION THREE DASH 1 29 FOUND IN CHAPTER THREE OF THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY CODE.

THIS CODE SECTION PROVIDES THAT A DOG MAY BE KILLED IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS FOR ITS INVOLVEMENT WITH LIVESTOCK OR POULTRY.

THE FIRST SITUATION, AND IS WHEN A DOG IS ACTIVELY KILLING OR INJURING LIVESTOCK OR POULTRY.

AND THE SECOND SITUATION AS WHEN A DOG IS CHASING LIVESTOCK OR POULTRY IN A HARMFUL MANNER, THE PROPOSED CHANGE ONLY INVOLVES THE SECOND SITUATION WHEN A DOG IS CHASING LIVESTOCK OR POULTRY.

AND THAT CHANGE IS TO REMOVE POULTRY FROM THE CHASING SECTION SO THAT DOUG WOULD ONLY BE IN THIS SITUATION FOR CHASING LIVESTOCK, NOT POULTRY.

THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE IS TO ALIGN THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE WITH THE STATE'S ANIMAL CONTROL LAW.

THE STATE LAW ONLY HAS THE WORD LIVESTOCK, LIVESTOCK AND THE CHASING SECTION, AND THE COUNTY INCLUDES THE WORDS, LIVESTOCK AND POULTRY, THIS RESULTS IN AN ADDITIONAL RIGHT AND SITUATION IN WHICH A DOG CAN BE KILLED UNDER THE COUNTY CODE THAN IS ALLOWED UNDER STATE LAW.

AND AGAIN, THE AMENDMENT JUST REMOVES POULTRY FROM THE CHASING SECTION FOR THOSE WHO HAVE THE PACKET OR FOLLOWING ONLINE, THERE'S A FEW GRAMMATICAL CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE ORDINANCE, BUT THIS IS THE ONLY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE.

THESE TWO CODE SECTIONS WERE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY THE COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY, AFTER A RECENT INCIDENT INVOLVING A DOG AND SOME DUCKS WHERE IN THE END, THE DOG DID NOT SURVIVE.

AND THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF PHYSICAL HARM TO THE DUCKS.

THIS PUT THE FOCUS SQUARELY ON THE CHASING SECTION, AND THAT'S HOW WE FOUND THE MINOR DIFFERENCE IN THE LANGUAGE.

IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT NO CHARGES WERE BROUGHT RESULTED FROM THIS INCIDENT AND THAT THE DIFFERING LANGUAGE WAS A FACTOR SPECIFICALLY THAT THE COUNTY JUSTIFIES KILLING THE DOG IN THE SITUATION WHERE THE STATE LAW DOESN'T.

NOW YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT ANOTHER RECENT INCIDENT WHERE A DOG WAS SHOT EATING CHICKENS, THIS DOG KNOWN AS PEARL, UH, SURVIVED AND WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED TODAY.

I THINK, AND, UH, SEVERAL NEWS STORIES HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED ABOUT PEARL.

AND THOSE STORIES INDICATED THAT TONIGHT'S ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WAS ABOUT PEARL SITUATION AND PREVENTING PEARL SITUATION FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN.

AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE,

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AND WE COULDN'T FIND THAT THE STATE LAW EVER HAS INCLUDED POULTRY IN THIS CODE SECTION AS FAR BACK AS WE CAN SEE.

AND THE COUNTY ADDED POULTRY TO THE ORDINANCE AND JULY 1ST, 2008, AS PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE ANIMAL CONTROL UPDATE FOR THE RECENT GENERAL ASSEMBLY AMENDMENTS THAT YEAR, THERE'S NO INDICATION IN THE AGENDA OR THE MINUTES OR IN ANY OF OUR FILES THAT IT WAS ADDED PURPOSEFULLY, OR WE HAD A TALK ABOUT IT.

UH, WE ALSO BENCHMARK THE SURROUNDING LOCALITIES.

YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL EITHER HAVE A MATCHING LOCAL ORDINANCE OR NO LOCAL ORDINANCE NOT HAVING A LOCAL ORDINANCE IN PLACE JUST MEANS THE STATE LAWS FOLLOWED.

SO IT'S THE SAME LEGAL EFFECT, WHETHER YOU HAVE THE MATCHING LOCAL ORDINANCE OR NO LOCAL ORDINANCE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVING THE AMENDMENT SO THAT THE COUNTY CODE ALIGNS WITH STATE LAW AND THE RIGHTS ARE THE SAME UNDER BOTH ONE BENEFIT OF HAVING A LOCAL MATCHING ORDINANCE IS ANY FEES COLLECTED FOR VIOLATION, GET RETURNED TO THE COUNTY'S COFFERS AND GET PUT TOWARDS THE ANIMAL CONTROL BUDGET RATHER THAN GOING TO THE STATE.

ANOTHER BENEFIT IS THAT THAT RESIDENTS CAN JUST GO TO OUR COUNTY CODE AND FIND ALL THE ANIMAL CONTROL LAWS, RATHER THAN SOME OF THEM BEING THERE.

AND SOME OF THEM BEING IN THE STATE, THE NEXT STEPS ARE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE ACTION IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S DESIRE.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OUR COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY, MR. CADEL AND OUR ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICER.

MR. CLOER BOTH HERE ALSO, IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THEM, DO YOU MS. JACKSON? VERY, VERY CONCISE, GOOD PRESENTATION.

HELPFUL.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MYSTIC? NOT AT THIS POINT.

DON'T GET, DON'T GO AWAY THOUGH.

UM, WELL, DO YOU WANT TO JUST GO AHEAD AND HAVE A PUBLIC? WELL IT'S THE BOARD HAS NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

LET'S HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF WE CAN HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.

AND THEN MAYBE WE'LL CERTAINLY MR. CADELL WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS I IMAGINE, BUT LET'S OPEN UP TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.

IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ABOUT THIS, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO OUR COUNTY CODE, SECTION THREE DASH 1 29, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SAME GUIDELINES APPLY.

IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SPEAK TO US FOR THREE MINUTES.

MY NAME IS CHRISTINA KNEEL, 30 64 ROCK CREST LANE.

AND I'M HERE JUST TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.

I FEEL THAT A MINOR DIFFERENCE IN OUR CODE MAKES A MAJOR EFFECT ON, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY FOR SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT A DOG SIMPLY FOR CHASING POULTRY.

WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GET TO THE CHICKEN.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO COME UP HERE AND OFFER MY SUPPORT.

DOG, UH, DRAKE STARTED TO CHASE THE DOCKS AND THAT HOMEOWNER CAME OUT AND SHOT, HIT THE DOG WITH ONE ROUND AND SHOT IT WITH ANOTHER KILLING IT.

THANK YOU, MISS NEIL.

ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON OUR FIRST ITEM OF THIS EVENING.

UM, MR. CADELL DO YOU MIND, UH, JUST YES, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR, I KNOW THEY TOLD ME HE WOULD JOIN US.

THANK YOU FOR IT.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING.

UM, I MEAN, PROBABLY NOT MUCH TO ADD, UH, MS. JACKSON DID A PRETTY GOOD SUMMARY OF THE SITUATION, BUT YOU HAD A SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS AN INCIDENT AND YOU, YOU MA YOU, YOUR OFFICE FELT YOU HAD TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR CHARGING DECISION BASED ON THE ORDINANCE.

COULD YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BACKGROUND? WELL, W WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT DOG DRAKE THAT WAS CHASING DUCKS? UM, IT WAS A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE A NEIGHBOR TO THE RESIDENTS WHERE DRAKE WAS SHOT, WAS GOING TO PUT DOWN, UH, THEIR DOG, AND THEY HAD INVITED, UH, DRAKE OVER FOR A LAST, A PLAY DATE, UM, UH, CHARACTERIZE IT, THEY DOG DRAKE ARRIVED AT THE HOUSE.

UH, PEOPLE WERE OUTSIDE OF THAT RESIDENCE.

AND DRAKE WENT THROUGH THE WOODS TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE WHERE THE DUCKS WERE, THE

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UH, THE DUCKS WERE NOT HARMED.

THE DOG WAS JUST CHASING THE DUCKS.

UH, BUT, UH, THE MEDIA AS MS. JACKSON SAID, KIND OF BLENDED PEARL AND DRAKE.

SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE, THE CODE, UH, THE STATE CODE, IT DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CHASING POULTRY AND, UH, BEING ALLOWED TO SHOOT A DOG, LOOKED AT THE COUNTY ORDINANCE.

UM, SURE ENOUGH SAYS CHASING POULTRY.

SO BASED ON THAT, UH, GIVEN THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY NO PUNISHMENT PROVISION IN EITHER THE CODE OR THE ORDINANCE, UM, IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY RESULT IN A CHARGE CONCEIVABLY OF, UH, DESTRUCTION OF PERSONAL PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHAT A COMPANION ANIMAL IS, ANIMAL CRUELTY, OR, UH, GIVEN THE WAY THAT THE SHOTS WERE FIRED, UH, POSSIBLE, UM, UH, RECKLESS HANDLING OF A FIREARM, BUT THE SHOTS WERE ACCURATE.

THERE WAS NO INDICATION OF RECKLESS HANDLING IN THAT CASE.

AND WITH THE COUNTY ORDINANCE BEING AS IT WAS, WE TOLD THE FAMILY WHEN THEY CAME IN TO DISCUSS IT WITH US, THAT BASED ON THE ORDINANCE, THAT HOMEOWNER WAS WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO SHOOT THE DOG.

AND THEY UNDERSTOOD AND AGREE WITH WHEN I TOLD THEM THAT, BUT THEY DID UNDERSTAND.

SO THAT'S WHEN IT CAME UP.

SO WHERE WE DON'T WANT TO GET OUT OF OUR AREA OF EXPERTISE, YOU KNOW, YOUR AREA, BUT WHAT CONCERNED ME WHEN WE WERE LOOKING INTO THIS YOU'RE RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT, IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU JUST TOLD US, THE RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT CHARGE.

THAT'S NOT IMPACTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IF WE CHANGE THIS ORDINANCE OR NOT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

GOOD, GOOD.

I MEAN, IT, IT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE SHOTS ARE FIRED.

IF YOU ARE JUSTIFIED IN SHOOTING A DOG THAT IS KILLING YOUR LIVESTOCK, BUT IF YOU START BOUNCING ROUNDS OFF A SIDEWALK OR GOING INTO PEOPLE'S HOMES, THEN EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE JUSTIFIED IN SHOOTING, IT'S CONCEIVABLY RECKLESS HANDLING OF A FIREARM.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE B YOU, YOU HAVE DISCRETION AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF YOUR ROLE POLICE OFFICERS AND, AND THE CAMPBELL'S ATTORNEY HAVE DISCRETION.

OR SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO CHASE THEIR DOG AND THEY'RE RIGHT BEHIND THEM TRYING TO CHASE THEIR DOG.

YOU KNOW, YOU START THAT, BUT THAT SETS APART FROM THE ORDINANCE CHANGE, RIGHT? THE RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT, TH TH THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT PROVISION IN EITHER THE STATE CODE OR THE ORDINANCE.

IT JUST IS INSTRUCTIONS AS TO WHAT TO DO.

YOUR OFFICE HAS TO TREAT THIS AS IF IT'S PERMITTED, THEN YOU JUST, YOU CAN'T, THAT'S OUT OF LIKE AN ENDANGERMENT OR SEPARATE VIOLATION.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PROCEED WITH CHARGES.

IF SOMEBODY WAS WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS, AS WE'VE AS THE ORDINANCE, THE WHOLE STORY YOU JUST TOLD, UH, UM, SHOOTING A DOG.

IF IT'S A ANIMAL CRUELTY, THAT'S A COLLATERAL CHARGE, UM, DESTRUCTION OF PERSONAL PROPERTY, SHOOTING A DOG.

AGAIN, THAT'S A, A COLLATERAL CHARGE AS WELL.

THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT PUNISHES ANYONE FOR, FOR DOING WHAT'S DONE IN THE ORDINANCE.

I GUESS WE'LL DIVE RIGHT IN.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS CHANGE.

UM, AND, AND SOME CONSTITUENTS HAVE BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION AFTER, AFTER THE NEWS MEDIA COVERED SOME THINGS AND ENDED UP, I THINK THE COVERAGE SAID THAT PEARL STORY, UH, CALL IT SOME BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEMBERS TO TAKE AN INTEREST TO FIX THIS, WHICH THAT'S NOT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM.

THAT'S NOT EXACTLY THAT, BUT THAT DID GARNER SOME INTEREST IN SOME QUESTIONS.

AND THAT'S WHEN I HAD SOME COMMUNICATIONS WITH CONSTITUENTS.

SO THE CONCERN I HAVE WITH THIS CHANGE, I MEAN, WE CANNOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ALL KNOW AS LONG AS BAD FACTS MAKE BAD LAWS, BUT I THINK ABOUT, UH, IN FACT IT WAS JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, SOMEBODY IN DISTRICT FOUR, A FRIEND, UH, HAD A DOG NEIGHBOR'S DOG CLIMB IN THE GOAT PEN AND TEAR UP SOME OF HIS GOATS.

NOW UNDER THE ORDINANCE, EVEN IF WE CHANGE IT, I THINK GOATS ARE CONSIDERED LIVESTOCK, NOT POULTRY.

SO THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM, BUT WHAT, I'M NOT SURE MY FRIEND AND DISTRICT FOR ANYBODY WOULD MAKE THAT KIND OF DISTINCTION THAT, OH, WAIT A SECOND.

IS THIS POULTRY? OR IS IT LIVESTOCK? IF IT'S POULTRY, I HAVE TO WAIT BEFORE I CAN PROTECT MY POULTRY.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE.

AND THEN KIND OF THE FACT PATTERN THAT WOULD CONCERN ME IS A DOG CLIMBS INTO MY CHICKEN COOP AND KILLS THE ONE TO CHICKENS ONE MONTH.

AND THEN TWO MONTHS LATER, HE'S BACK OVER TRYING TO CLIMB IN.

I HAVE TO WAIT BEFORE I CAN SHOOT THE DOG UNTIL HE GETS IN AND STARTS KILLING MY CHICKENS.

SO THOSE ARE KIND OF DISTINCTIONS THAT I THINK, UM, AND I'M NOT SPEAKING TOO MUCH.

I'M TALKING TO THE BOARD NOW ABOUT THE, BUT DO I WANT TO GIVE AN ADVISORY OPINION THOUGH? I KNOW YOU DO.

AND

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AND I'M SURE YOU WOULD USE DISCRETION IN THAT CASE, WHICH MAKES THIS WHOLE THING DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE MORE WE TRY TO TIGHTEN IT DOWN AND GIVE CLEAR GUIDANCE, IT JUST, WE CAN ALWAYS COME UP WITH BAD, BAD FACTS THAT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU COULD COME TO US.

I COULD THINK OF ALL SORTS OF SITUATIONS WHERE EVEN IF WE MAKE THIS CHANGE OR DON'T MAKE THIS CHANGE, THERE CAN STILL BE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE WE'LL BE LIKE, OH GOSH, IT SHOULD BE FIXED.

THIS HAS GOTTEN TO THE POINT THINKING ABOUT THIS OVER THE LAST MONTH, IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT I ALMOST WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE HAVE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CHANGE IT BECAUSE LIKE OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, I LOOKED BACK AND I DIDN'T W WHERE DID THIS EVEN COME FROM? WHY DID WE HAVE, BUT I GUESS MY, MY POINT, AND I'LL START TALKING TO THE BOARD HERE MORE, IS, IS I JUST NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE SHOULD MAKE A DISTINCTION, UM, OR WE JUST DON'T WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THINKING OF MAKING A DISTINCTION.

CAUSE THAT'S WHAT CONSTITUENTS HAVE TOLD ME.

IT'S LIKE, DON'T, DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BASICALLY, YOU'RE KEEPING ME FROM PROTECTING MY, MY, MY PERSONAL PROPERTY, MY POULTRY.

UM, BUT I KNOW I'VE TALKED BEFORE AND THE STATE VALUES LIVESTOCK ARE HIGHER THAN POULTRY.

SO, AND, AND THERE'S AN ENABLING AN ORT AND AN ABLING AN ORDINANCE.

I DIDN'T SAY THAT RIGHT.

ENABLING ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS A COUNTY TO PASS A MORE STRINGENT ORDINANCE THAN, THAN THE STATE LAWS.

SO I WOULD SAY IN STRICT BRINGING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW, I, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT IF WE OPT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THE QUESTION IS, DO WE PROVIDE MORE PROTECTIONS FOR POULTRY AND LESS PROTECTIONS FOR DOG AND VICE VERSA? I SUPPOSE.

SO THAT'S THE DISCUSSION, BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND FIELDING ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUR BOARD MEMBERS HAVE FOR YOU I'LL I'LL.

UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO OFFER.

I THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN FOR, OH, YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING.

THANK YOU, MR. CARDIO.

SO I'VE GOT A REAL SIMPLE QUESTION, YOUR ATTORNEY, AND I'M NOT, SO THIS IS REALLY BASIC.

SO WE HAVE A LOCAL ORDINANCE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE STATE LAW, RIGHT? DOES THE STATE LAW NOT PREVAIL? I MEAN, WOULD THAT NOT SUPERSEDE LIKE THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE KIND OF ARGUMENT? WELL, UM, HOWEVER THAT RELATES TO, UH, DYLAN'S ROLLOUT, WE'LL DEFER TO OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT AS MR. LUMPKINS DID SAY, UH, 3.2 65 43, UH, DOES IT'S A STATE LAW THAT SAYS THAT, UM, THE COMMONWEALTH MAY ADOPT AND MAKE MORE STRINGENT ORDINANCES THAT PARALLEL, AND IT GIVES THE CITATIONS.

AND ONE OF THEM IS A 3.2, A 65 52.

SO I HAD TO GO LOOK UP THE WORD, UH, THE STRINGENT AS IT IS DEFINED BECAUSE IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR, BUT, UM, UH, THE DICTIONARY, UH, DEFINITION FOR STRINGENT RICK, UH, RIGID, RIGOROUS, STRICT MEANS EXTREMELY SEVERE OR STERN.

SO, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THAT ENABLING STATUTE THAT ALLOWS FOR, UH, A JURISDICTION TO MAKE, UM, THEIR ORDINANCE MORE STRINGENT, UH, AS IT MORE STRINGENT AND, UH, THE DOGS MORE STRINGENT IN THE ANIMAL PURVIEW.

THE SEIZURE, PETITION DOGS WERE SEIZED AND WENT INTO DISTRICT COURT.

UM, QUESTION FOR SOMEBODY THAT WEARS A BLACK ROBE TO MAKE AT SOME POINT, IF IT GETS THERE.

BUT, UM, YES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION IN A LAWYER LIKE FASHION, WHERE IT'S PROBABLY MORE CIRCULAR THAN BEGINNING TO END, BUT YES, THERE IS THAT ENABLING STATUTE THAT ALLOWS JURISDICTIONS COUNTIES TO MAKE IT MORE STRINGENT.

SO IF WE DO NOTHING, IF WE DO NOT NOTHING, OR IF WE, WELL, RIGHT NOW OUR ORDINANCE SAYS, YOU KNOW, OUR POULTRY RICE, YOU CAN'T ENFORCE THE POETRY PART.

WELL, YEAH, THE ORDINANCE AND THE STATE LAW DO NOT PROVIDE ANY PUNISHMENT FOR THAT.

IT JUST TALKS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF A POULTRY OR LIVESTOCK OWNER SEES CERTAIN THINGS GOING ON, WHAT THE EFFECT IS.

AND, UM, IF IT'S NOT SHOT, THEN THERE ARE DEPREDATION, UH, ASPECTS THAT, UH, TIM, UH, GETS INVOLVED IN.

WE DO THE SEIZURE PETITION IF HE TAKES THE DOG AND THEN WE'D GO TO COURT.

WE DID HAVE A, UH, A GOAT CASE, UH, MAYBE ABOUT A MONTH AGO WHERE, UH, DOGS DID KILL, UH, TWO GOATS.

AND, UM, WE BROUGHT

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AND THE JUDGE ASKS, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT'S THE REMEDY.

IT HAS TO DO.

THE ONLY THING THAT THE COURT CAN DO IS ORDER THE DOGS, BUT DOWN, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED, BUT THEY WERE ACTIVELY, UH, OR SHORTLY AFTER HAVING KILLED THESE GOATS.

SO THERE WAS NO PUNISHMENT.

UH, THE PERSON CAME TO COURT AND THE JUDGE SAYS, WELL, I'VE GOT TO HAVE YOUR DOGS PUT DOWN AND, AND THAT'S, UH, ALL THAT COULD BE DONE.

THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

GIVING US SOME GUIDANCE AND INSIGHT PREVALENT.

IS THIS, I MEAN, HOW OFTEN DOES THIS HAPPEN? YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE TWO MONTHS FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WHEN WE TRY AND GO THAT ROUTE.

WELL, I ALMOST, YEAH, I THINK SO.

UM, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY PREFERENCE, MS. JACKSON, IS THERE ANY WAY FOR YOU TO PUT ON THE SCREEN, THE CURRENT STATE LAW, CAN YOU BRING UP THE CURRENT STATE LAW? CAUSE IT'S, IT'S WORTH READING THE FIRST TWO SENTENCES AND IF WE CAN BRING IT UP BECAUSE MS. LAST CLIP, THAT KIND OF GOES, OH, OKAY.

YOU MIGHT NEED TO, I DON'T REMEMBER.

OH, IS THAT, THAT'S IT, THIS IS IT WITH OUR MARKED UP CHANGES THAT CAN PROUDLY THAT'S.

R IS THAT THE STATE LAW ASIDE FROM THE RED LINES? YES.

INSIDE FROM THE STRIKE, THEY'RE CALLED THE RED LINES.

THAT'S A STATE LAW.

THAT'S THE SECOND SENTENCE AND THE SENTENCE BEFORE, IF YOU CAN, WHAT THE SENTENCE BEFORE THAT DEPREDATIONS, HERE WE GO.

AND THAT FIRST SENTENCE, EXCEPT FOR THE STRIKEOUTS AND UNDERLINE, THAT IS ALSO THE STATE LAW.

SO THE ACTIVE IN ACTIVE KILLER INJURY, RRCS FORTHWITH, ANY PERSON FINDING WHERE'S THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE OWNER? IT SAYS AS SHELL S SHELL, THAT'S THE FOURTH LINE FROM THE BOTTOM, THE END OF THE, OH, THERE SHALL ANY OWNER.

SO YEAH, I'LL GET THIS.

THIS IS THIS, THIS IS, UM, PRETTY, WE DEBATED THIS AND I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE ABOUT IT.

THERE'S DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT WAYS TO INTERPRET THIS.

I WOULD LOVE TO, AGAIN, I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT SOMEBODY AGAIN, PARTICULARLY IN MY FACT PATTERN WHERE YOU HAVE A DOG CLIMBING IN TO GET TO YOUR TURKEYS, DUCKS, ANY POULTRY, AND YOU MEAN YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL HE STARTS KILLING HIM, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, HE DID THIS TWO MONTHS AGO.

UM, AND THAT'S JUST A DISTINCTION.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA MAKE.

AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT AFTER THE FACT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY ALL UP IN COURT AND LIKE, OH, WE'RE GOING TO, THERE'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION AROUND THIS ORDINANCE.

UM, WHICH IS NOT VERY HELPFUL TO SOMEBODY TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION TO PROTECT THEIR ANIMALS, NOT TO GET TOO IN THE WEEDS.

BUT IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT A DOG HAS TO HAVE KILLED POULTRY THREE TIMES TO BE A CONFIRMED POULTRY KILLER.

SO THEN MAYBE IN THAT FACT PATTERN, THE DOG THAT'S COMING BACK WOULD BE COMMITTED IN THE ACT OF KILLING OR INJURING EVEN WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT BEING ADOPTED.

THAT'S LATER IN THE STATE ORDINANCE THAT YOU'RE A POULTRY.

UM, BUT THEY MATCH EXCEPT FOR THESE WORDS AND THIS, AND THERE'S A DIFFERENT REMEDY FOR A DOG.

THAT'S ONLY FOUND TO HAVE KILLED HER INJURY POULTRY.

THEY CAN ACTUALLY REMAIN IN THE STATE.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE PUT DOWN.

THEY HAVE TO BE MUZZLED WHEN THEY'RE TAKEN OUT.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A DIFFERENT TREATMENT OF THE DOG IF THEY GO TO COURT AND IT'S ONLY CONFIRMED THAT THEY'VE KILLED OR INJURED POULTRY IN THAT LIVESTOCK, THERE'S DIFFERENT.

THE DOG WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE PUT DOWN LIKE IT DID FOR THE DOCUMENT AND THE GOATS SITUATION BECAUSE IT WAS LIVESTOCK.

WELL, I KNOW NONE OF US THOUGHT WE WERE WAITING UNTIL THIS ONE TRIED TO FIX AN ORDINANCE, BUT A MASTER CHAIR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAVON, YOU PUT THAT IN A WAY THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR THE WORDS, BUT YOU GOT THAT ONE.

MR. PETERSON HELPED US OUT AND TRY AND LAND THIS POINT.

IT APPEARS THE INCONSISTENCY IS PROBLEMATIC.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES THAT BROUGHT THAT TO LIGHT.

SO WE LOOKED AT WHAT IS EVERYBODY ELSE DOING? EVERYBODY ELSE WAS EITHER CONSISTENT OR SILENT.

WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE INCONSISTENT.

ONE APPROACH WOULD BE TO RESTORE THE CONSISTENCY AND THEN POTENTIALLY ADD THIS TO OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, TO PETITION THE STATE CODE, TO ADD POULTRY, WHICH WE COULD THEN FOLLOW OURSELVES.

MISS LAST GLEN, WAS THAT A MEDICINE? OR COULD IT BE THAT WE'RE RIGHT.

AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS WRONG.

THERE'S ALWAYS THAT.

THANK YOU FOR SAYING TO THE WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD.

CRAZY.

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I THINK THAT AGAIN, GOING TO THE ENABLING STATUTE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WOULD THINK IF IT'S MY, AND I'D SAY, SAY, YOU KNOW, POULTRY IS LESS VALUABLE THAN LIVESTOCK.

WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

THERE'S SOME BREEDS OF POULTRY THAT CAN BE, I DON'T KNOW.

I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT A POULTRY PERSON, SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK A FOGHORN LEGHORN WHEN I THINK OF VALUABLE POETRY AND THEN, AND THEN THERE'S A VIDEO THAT SOMEBODY SENT ME OF A CHICKEN CHASING A DOG.

AND SO, WELL, THAT'S THE THING.

WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT ABOUT IF A TOY BREED COMES OVER AND IS CHASING AND IT'S, AS SOON AS THE CHICKEN STOP AND THE TOY BREED STOPS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE DID THE, THERE HAS TO BE SOME JUDGMENT.

THAT'S WHY YOU CAN WAIT INTO THESE.

BUT TO ME, THE DIFFICULT FACT IS IF I'M TRYING TO PROTECT MY POULTRY FROM A DOG THAT HAS BEEN ATTACKING, OR I JUST CLIMBING, TRYING TO CLIMB IN, I, THE IDEA I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL FEATHERS START FLYING BEFORE I CAN PROTECT MY ANIMALS IS JUST DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T APPEAL TO ME.

BUT SO MY ATTEMPT FAIL.

TRY TO LAND THAT PLANE AGAIN, GO GOING AROUND AGAIN.

OH, ME.

GOOD TRY THOUGH.

SO THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN, ENTERTAIN THAT WE SHOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, OR WE CAN DEFER IT, UM, PUBLIC HEARING.

NO, THAT DID NOT CLOSE.

THE PUBLIC HEARING DID NOT.

SORRY.

YES, I DID.

I, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE INSISTED THAT ANY LIVESTOCK AND POULTRY EXPERTS NEED TO COME FORWARD EARLIER, FARMERS, FARMERS.

I MEAN, WE CAN DEFER IT.

WE CAN SEE WHAT PASSES I, MY, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO LEAVE IT, LEAVE IT ALONE.

UM, LEAVE THE ORDINANCE ALONE AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO EXPLORE IT.

I MEAN, I, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA.

I KNOW OUR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS.

IT'S NICE TO HAVE CONSISTENCY, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ANOTHER, OKAY.

THERE'S DIFFERENT LAWS, STATE LAW AND COUNTY LAW THAT DOESN'T MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR.

BUT I, I JUST AM CONCERNED ABOUT THERE BEING A DISTINCTION THAT THE TYPICAL POULTRY OWNER IS NOT GOING TO APPRECIATE UNTIL THEY'VE MADE A DECISION TO PROTECT THEIR ANIMALS, THAT THEY GET SOME.

UH, I MOVED THAT WE, UM, NOT AMEND THE ORDINANCE AT THIS TIME SECOND.

THIS APPLICATION WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO CREATE, UH, ONE ADDITIONAL LOT, UH, WHICH WOULD CREATE, UM, A 3.9, TWO ACRE PARCEL.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT.

THERE'S A MOTION TO NOT AMEND THE ORDINANCE.

UM, ROLL CALL VOTE.

YES, PLEASE.

UH, YEP.

YEAH, WE GOT A SECOND.

THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND MISS.

LAST ONE SECOND.

DID IT.

UM, AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION IS TO NOT AMEND AT THIS TIME.

SO ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.

MR. ALVAREZ, MR. SEAN.

UH, MR. CORDELL AND MS. JACKSON FOR HELPFUL PRESENTATION.

SECOND, SECOND PUBLIC ASSISTANCE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW.

MY POSITION IS CONSISTENT.

SO PUBLIC HEARING, NUMBER TWO, IT'S A REZONING APPLICATION, UM, IN DISTRICT FOUR, UH, SAM AND MAREL, UH, BUSH AND SHERRY.

YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. ALVAREZ.

UM, OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS A REQUEST TO REZONE A PROPERTY FROM AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL LIMITED WITH PROFFERS IN ORDER TO CREATE ONE ADDITIONAL LOT.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED AS ARE ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOW AS ARE A MAJORITY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

THERE IS A PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH THAT IS, UM, UH, DESIGNATED AS SEMI-PUBLIC.

THAT IS A CEMETERY.

UH, THE ARIEL, UH, INDICATES, UH, WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE, UM, UM, ON THE LANDSCAPE.

UH, MOST OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE RESIDENTIAL AND AGAIN, WITH, OR, OR VACANT.

UH, SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS ONE DWELLING AND APPROVAL OF

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UM, AND THEN CUT OFF THE TWO ACRE PARCEL.

UH, THE LOT SIZE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, DESIGNATION WITH THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE AVERAGE TWO ACRE SIZE LOT.

UM, THE R ONE ZONING DOES REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF 1.5 ACRES FOR PRIVATE WELL AND SEPTIC, WHICH THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE.

SO IT IS CONSISTENT THAT AS WELL, AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROFFERED TO PROHIBIT ANY FUTURE DIVISIONS OF THE PROPERTY.

HERE IS THE PLAT.

THE DOTTED BLUE LINE INDICATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UH, THE YELLOW, UH, PARCEL WOULD BE THE, UM, THE NEW LOT.

THAT'S THE TWO ACRE LOT.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO IN ADDITION TO, UM, PROFFERING THE EXHIBIT IN FRONT OF YOU, AS WELL AS NO ADDITIONAL CUTS HAS ALSO PROFFERED A 20 FOOT TREE SAVE AREA, WHICH IS INDICATED ON THE PLAT RIGHT HERE.

UH, THE REASON FOR THIS APPLICATION IS THAT ALL THE BUY-RITE SPLITS HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN ORDER TO CREATE A NEW LOT.

THEY HAD TO GO TO A RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

UH, THERE IS A CREATION OF ONE LOT WITH THIS REQUEST WOULD NOT, UM, TRIGGERED THE CAPITAL IMPACTS MODEL.

A COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD BACK IN AUGUST, UH, PLANNING COMMISSIONER, MR. TUCK, AND THREE NEIGHBORS WERE PRESENT.

NEIGHBORS EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT BUFFERING AND IMPACTS ON EXISTING WELLS AND DRAIN FIELDS.

NO ONE VOICED ANY OPPOSITION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

UM, IN OCTOBER THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A FIVE ZERO VOTE, AND NOBODY FROM THE PUBLIC SPOKE, UM, REAL QUICKLY, THE PROFFERS, UM, PREFERRED NUMBER ONE, UH, IS THE EXHIBIT THAT I PRESENTED IN THE PRESENTATION AS WELL AS COMMITTING TO THE TREE SAVE AREA AND NUMBER TWO.

AND LASTLY, THE, UM, COMMITMENT NOT TO FURTHER DIVIDE THE PROPERTY THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.

SO THAT PLANT THAT YOU JUST HAD UP THERE, THAT THAT'S A, I JUST, AGAIN, EDUCATE MYSELF THEN IT SAYS, I ZOOMED IN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BROKEN LINE INSIDE THE YELLOW NEW LOT THAT LOOKS LIKE SIDE SETBACK IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

THAT'S ACTUALLY THE, UM, 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY REQUIREMENT.

ONE OF THE THINGS DIDN'T TOUCH IN MY PRESENTATION IS THE ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY MANNEQUIN ROAD IS WHERE MY, UM, THE POINTER'S GOING.

THEY WOULD ACCESS OFF LINDSEY LANE AND THEN DOWN TO THE NEW PROPERTY, IT DOES FRONT CLARK ROAD, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THEM PRIVATE.

SO DOWN LINDSEY LANE AND THEN DOWN THE DRIVEWAY ON WHICH IS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

CORRECT.

AND SO, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT LITTLE ZIP, AGAIN, IT KIND OF BLURS A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT DOES THAT SIDE SIDE SETBACK OR BOUNDARY SETBACK THAT BROKEN LINE THAT INSIDE THE ORDINANCE? OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THEY'RE DOING? UM, WELL, IT IS A PROFFER, SO THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THIS BUFFER, HOWEVER, I'M IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT IT GOES ON THE ACTUALLY BUFFERS, THE PROPERTY THAT WAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SHERRY FROM THANK YOU.

OF COURSE, MR. CONKLIN, WELCOME TO GOOCHLAND, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. ALVAREZ IS MCGEE.

MY NAME IS ANDY COMMON HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT SALMON MOREL HABUSH.

UM, THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT THEY, UH, RAISED THEIR FAMILY, THEIR SON, JOSEPH RECENTLY MARRIED BACK IN, WANTS TO, UH, THEY WANT TO BUILD A HOME FOR HIM ON THIS PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE WAY THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS.

AND TALKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING WAS PARTICULARLY MR. CORN WANTED TO HAVE THAT TREE SAVE AREA, THAT 20 FOOT AREA, THE ENTIRE IMPACT OF THIS IS CONTAINED ON THE PROPERTY CEMETERY.

NEXT DOOR.

THE REMAINING LOT IS ACTUALLY LARGER.

AND 3.92 IS SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN MOST OF THE LOTS AROUND ALREADY.

AND THAT'S THE SITUATION.

SO WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY IMPACT.

WE'D ASK YOU TO FOLLOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION AND ASK YOU TO APPROVE THIS CASE.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FROM US TO CALL THEM.

OKAY, DON'T GO ANYWHERE THOUGH, JUST IN CASE.

PUBLIC.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK TO US ON THIS REZONING APPLICATION, BY THE BUSHES, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

NOW, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TRY TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

SEEING NO ONE COMING FORTH, WE'LL CLOSE OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING AND, UM, OPEN IT UP TO BOARD DISCUSSION.

AND OR IF THERE'S ANY FOLLOW-UP, ANY QUESTIONS NOT SEEING ANY

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MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVED TO THE BOARD APPROVE REZONING RSE DASH 2 2 1 DASH 0 0 0.

SO EIGHT FOR 5.2 ACRES AT 1 9 9 LINDSEY LANE FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TO TWO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PREFERRED CONDITIONS HAS PRESENTED.

THANK YOU, MR. SHARPEN.

IT'S 5.92 ACRES, JUST TO 5.2, BUT IT'S OKAY.

AND MR. SPOON, OUR SECOND DID IT.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

SO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, UM, THAT BUFFERS BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AND IT, AND THAT HAS, THAT'S ALL ACCEPTABLE TO BOTH PARTIES THAT, THAT AMOUNT OF BUFFER EITHER WHEN I CONFIRM, UH, THE APPLICANT MAY KNOW MORE, UM, I'VE HAD NO DISCUSSION WITH THE, UM, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR.

IS THAT BUFFER A STANDARD OR NO, THERE IS NO STANDARD REQUIREMENT BETWEEN, UH, TO A RESIDENTIAL AND A, UM, AGRICULTURE.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THEY'RE PROFFERING, CORRECT? RIGHT.

YES, YES, PLEASE.

THIS, UH, THIS WIDTH WAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED BECAUSE IT IS A TREAT AREA CURRENTLY WHERE HIS HOUSE, SINCE HE DOESN'T SEE MUCH INTO THIS PROPERTY.

SO HE ASKED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT WIDTH AND WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AND STILL HAVE THE 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY FOR THE DRIVEWAY NECESSARY.

SO HE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AND HE'S SEEN THIS PLAN AND, RIGHT.

SO, SO THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER WAS SATISFIED WITH THAT AMOUNT OF BUMPER.

WHEN YOU SAY HE SEEN IT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CORN AS THE CORN, CORRECT? I SEEN THIS POINT, RIGHT.

I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE'VE COVERED ALL THE BASES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR A DISCUSSION ON THIS QUESTION IN A SECOND ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.

MR. PETERS.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

UM, MR. SHARP? YES.

THAT'S IS BOONE HOWARD? YES.

IS THE LAST COLLETTE? YES.

SO, UM, PUBLIC HEARING, NUMBER THREE, DISTRICT ONE, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM THE HALLS.

MS. SHERRY.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

UM, MR. LUMPKINS, UH, YES.

THIS NEXT APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT.

THE, UH, PARCEL IS LOCATED IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL AS IS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE PROPERTY AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA AS DOES THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ARIEL, UM, THEN IN 2017, UM, THIS WAS STILL A VACANT LOT.

THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CLEARING THAT THERE IS NO HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.

UH, THE PROPER, THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2019 AND IS, UM, CIRCLED IN RED ON THE EXHIBIT.

AND THEN, UM, THE ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT IS CIRCLED IN BLUE, JUST RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

UM, THAT PARCEL, I MEAN, THE, UM, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS APPROXIMATELY WILL BE LOCATED AT APPROXIMATELY 80 FEET FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE.

AND IT WOULD BOTH, UM, THE HOUSE AND THE EXEMPLARY HOUSE BE ACCESSED OFF OF, UM, YOUNGSTOWN ROAD WITH THE SAME DRIVEWAY.

A COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD BACK IN AUGUST TWO CITIZENS WERE, UH, WERE PRESENT AND EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THIS REQUEST AT THE OCTOBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED WITH THE FIVE O VOTE, UH, TO APPROVE THIS AND APPROVAL.

AND ONE CITIZEN SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING IN SUPPORT.

UH, THESE ARE THE STANDARD CONDITIONS I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH THEM.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE FIRST ALLOWS FOR THE USE OF THE SECRETARY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT, UM, GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN WOULD BE REQUIRED.

UH, THE USE WOULD BE LIMITED TO FAMILY MEMBERS AS WELL AS THEY COULD NOT RENT THE ACCESSORY FAMILY UNIT.

UM, BY ITSELF, A SMOKE DETECTOR AND CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTORS WOULD BE REQUIRED AND MADE TO BE MAINTAINED.

UM, EMERGENCY ACCESS WOULD BE REQUIRED AND BE MAINTAINED.

UH, THIS, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT COMES WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF A FIVE-YEAR EXPIRATION DATE, AND LASTLY, OUR STANDARD TRANSFER OR OWNERSHIP OF OWNERSHIP, UM, CONDITION

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I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.

OKAY, GOOD.

NO, SURE.

THIS LAST ONE, THIS ONE.

UM, THANK YOU, MS. SHERRY, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, DOES IT PRECLUDE THEM FROM SUBDIVIDING AGAIN? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

NO, I, IT WOULD NOT.

UH, IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUB DIVIDE AGAIN, IT WOULD BE FINE.

THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE, THIS, IT WOULD HAVE TO STILL BE THE ACCESSORY HOUSE, SO IT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED, UM, A DIFFERENT LOT.

SO IF THEY WERE ABLE TO CREATE A NEW LOT, YES, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, TO BUILD ON IT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IF THERE'S ANY SPLITS LEFT IT.

THAT'S THE QUESTION.

IS THAT THE QUESTION? BECAUSE I THINK I HAVE IT IN THE FILE.

I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

I'M JUST TRYING TO DETERMINE HOW MANY MORE HOMES COULD BE BUILT HERE.

UNDERSTOOD.

OH, OVER TIME.

THAT'S ALL CERTAINLY.

UM, AND THEN WE COULD DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, COME BACK THROUGH IT.

OH, IT SHOULDN'T BE, SHE HAS IT.

EXCUSE ME.

WE USUALLY HAVE THAT IN THE FILE THAT I DIDN'T HAVE THAT PREPARED IN MY NOTES.

NOT SAYING I SUPPORT OR OPPOSE IT.

IT JUST SAYS WHICH JUST A, IT'S A, IT'S A VALID QUESTION.

I'M SIT.

SEE IF I CAN GET THE ANSWER FOR YOU.

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES, MAYBE WE COULD DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND COME BACK.

SO JUST TAKE, TAKE YOUR TIME.

UH, MY APOLOGIES.

I DON'T THINK I AM GOING TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN THE FILE.

I USUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE, THE APPLICANT MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.

IF YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IT WOULDN'T BE AN OFFICIAL ANSWER FROM THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, BUT THEY MAY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

WE'LL COME BACK WITH YOUR QUESTION.

YOUR QUESTION WAS THE GIST OF IT WAS CAN, HOW MANY HOUSES CAN THEY PUT ON THIS ONE? YEP.

SO, UM, CONDITION NUMBER TWO IS DETACHED ACCESSORY, FAMILY, HOUSING UNITS, LOCATION SHALL GENERALLY CONFORM TO THE SITE PLAN TO ATTACK SITE PLAN ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT A EXHIBIT EIGHT IN THE PACKET YOU HAVE ON YOUR SCREEN, YOU CIRCLED THE RED AND THE BLUE.

I GET THAT.

UM, AND, AND THEY DON'T SAY WHAT THEY ARE, THE BLUE ARE IN YOUR EXPLANATION.

THERE'S NO CIRCLES ON THE EXHIBIT, IN OUR PACKET.

UM, AND IT LOOKS TO ME READING THE EXHIBIT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE JUST PLANNING ON PUTTING A GARAGE THERE.

AND THIS MAY BE BECAUSE IT SAYS CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE AT THE TOP.

I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS JUST THEIR WHOLE, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN BEFORE THEY BUILT ANYTHING ON THERE, BUT IS THERE A HOUSE BUILT ON THERE NOW? THERE IS SINCE BUILT IN 2019, CORRECT.

AND THIS PLAT WAS DONE AND DATE WAS 20, 21 OR MARCH 21 IS THE DATE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PLOT.

AND SO THE HOUSE, I'M SORRY.

UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT AND THIS IS THE BUILDING PERMIT.

UM, THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED WITH THEIR BUILDING PERMIT.

SO THAT'S HOW, UM, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S DATED AT THE BOTTOM 3 28 21.

AND THE BUILDING HAS BEEN BUILT IN 2019, ACCORDING TO YOUR SLIDE THERE.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS SOME, WELL, THE MAIN IS THE MAIN HOUSE IN THE RED.

SO AS FAR AS I'M SAYING, THAT'S WHERE THE HOUSE IS, THIS PLAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS DONE TO SHOW PROPOSED GARAGE.

AND THAT'S HOW IT WENT BACK TO WHAT IT SAYS ON THEIR PLAT.

SHOWING THE PROPOSED GARAGE.

IT WILL BE IN A GARAGE WITH A, UM, UH, UPSTAIRS, UH, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT.

SO THE GARAGE IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD FOR IT TO HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

THEY'RE NOT JUST WANTING TO PLAN TO BUILD A GARAGE.

AND NOW SUDDENLY THEY'VE SAID WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

RIGHT? OKAY.

MR. JARED, OUR PACKET, IT SAYS THE, UM, THE 20 ACRE PARCEL INCLUDES A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WITH AN ATTACHED GARAGE AND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS A BUILDING PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT A DETACHED GARAGE WITH, UM, LIVING SPACE USED BY FAMILY MEMBERS.

SO, OKAY.

IN FACT, I LOOK CLOSE.

I THINK I CAN SEE WHERE THAT MAY ATTACHED GARAGES.

SO IN ANY WAY WE CAN, WE CAN ASK THE, UM, AND THE HOUSE WHERE THE ATTACHED GARAGE WAS BUILT IN 2019, AND THEY NOW HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT FOR A DETACHED GARAGE WITH A LIVING SPACE.

SO LAST QUESTION, CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE.

UM, WHEN I SEE THAT OUR PLANET TELLS ME THAT THAT POSSIBLY THAT'S JUST A TEMPORARY KIND OF PLAN THERE THAT, THAT MAYBE THEY'RE GOING TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY, SOME OTHER PATHS, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING? OKAY.

UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS THE DRIVEWAY THAT JUST

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SAYS CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DID THAT INITIALLY WITH IT, BUT THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT BECAUSE IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE ARIEL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MS. SHERRY BEFORE WE INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME? YES.

MICROPHONE, MICROPHONE.

I'M SORRY.

UM, THIS CAME UP PRIOR AND CHIP AUTISM.

WE'RE TALKING THIS A FIVE-YEAR UM, AND JUST A GENERAL QUESTION.

THEY HAVE THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, WHICH IS LIMITED TO A FAMILY MEMBER.

THEY SAW THE HOUSE IN THREE YEARS.

THEY'VE GOT AN ACCESSORY UNIT THAT ONLY FAMILY CAN LIVE IN.

CAN THEY THEN REAPPLY SAYING WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY.

WE HAVE NO FAMILY THAT WANTS TO LIVE IN IT, BUT WE'D LIKE TO RENT IT TO REMEMBER.

I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ASK FOR IT, TO BE, UM, SWITCHED OVER, CORRECT FROM A FAM.

THAT WAS FINISHED.

MY QUESTION, BECAUSE ALL THESE THINGS COME THROUGH AND, AND WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, YOU BUILD A, FOR YOUR PARENTS, YOUR PARENTS ARE GONE SOME DAY.

WHAT HAPPENS TO IT? SO EVEN THOUGH IF IT'S UNDER THE FIVE-YEAR CYCLE UNDER THE FIVE-YEAR, SO THEY CAN COME IN AND ASK FOR IT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK.

THANK OKAY.

UM, WE, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD COME FORWARD, YOU YOU'VE HEARD THE QUESTION, SO MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US OUT IF YOU DON'T MIND.

AND CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE.

UH, MY NAME IS ALAN BRAUN.

I'M THE BUILDER FOR THE HALLS.

MRS. HALL HAS A NEWBORN AND MR. HALL IS OUT OF TOWN.

HE DOES IT WORK.

SO THEY ASKED ME, WE ASKED ANITA BARNES AND SHE SAID IT WOULD BE NO PROBLEM.

UM, IT IS A DETACHED GARAGE WITH A BATHROOM, A BEDROOM, AND A LITTLE KITCHENETTE.

IT HAS A SINK OR WE'LL HAVE A SINK, A REFRIGERATOR, AND A MICROWAVE, THAT'S IT.

UM, AND IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE FLAT AS TO PUT IT IN THE LOCATION WHICH WE SAW ON IT'S ACTUALLY BEING BUILT.

WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THE BUILDING PERMIT IT'S BEEN APPROVED.

WE JUST HAVE TO GET THE APPROVAL FOR THE LITTLE KITCHEN AT GOTCHA.

THAT'S IS THAT THE DRIVEWAY? IT'S A LONG DRIVE WELFARE.

THE ONLY DRIVER THAT YES, SIR.

ONE ENTRANCE ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT.

AND I, I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE HALLS, BUT THIS IS THEIR FOREVER HOUSE.

I MEAN, IT'S, THEY'RE LITTLE, THEY HAVE CHICKENS AND POULTRY AND ALL THAT STUFF.

SO THEY'RE IN CAGES THERE, I GUESS.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

WE NEED A PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK, RIGHT? YEP.

SO WE WILL OPEN IT UP.

ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO US ABOUT THIS? A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION AT OUR DISTRICT ONE BY THE HALLS, PLEASE COME FORWARD, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND LET YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES AND NOT SEEING ANYBODY.

WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OUR THIRD, ONE OF THE EVENING.

WE'RE ROLLING RIGHT ALONG, UM, BOARD.

ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH.

MOTION.

UH, YES, SIR.

SO MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, I MOVED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GRANT, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, CU 2 0 2, 1 DASH OH OH, OH, OH EIGHT, MAYBE TOO MANY ZEROS IN THERE.

I'M ABOUT TO GET YOURS, RIGHT? UH, GIVE ME THE PAGE NUMBER.

OH GOODNESS.

THERE WE GO.

I DIDN'T GET A SHEET.

SEE YOU 2 0 2, 1 0 0 0 0 9 4.

HOW ABOUT THIS ONE 17.

OKAY, HERE WE GO.

I MOVED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

GRANT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT AT 2, 2 7 2 YOUNGSTOWN ROAD, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.

THANK YOU, MISS.

NICE GLASS.

SECOND, SECOND BY MR. PETERSON.

THANK YOU BOTH.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, WHICH IS BEFORE ROLL CALL VOTE.

CHAIRMAN LUMPKINS YES.

MOTION CARRIES FIVE ZERO.

AGAIN FOR HELPING US OUT.

THANK YOU

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UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION ELIZABETH PAGE.

BABER DISTRICT, ANOTHER DISTRICT ONE PAGE, UM, PAGE 1 37 OF OUR PACKET AND YES, SIR.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MR. CASH.

UM, MR. ALVAREZ, I, I, AGAIN, I AM A RAY CASH, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT YOU ONE DISTRICT SEEKING TO OPERATE A RETAIL STORE.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE FAR WESTERN SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE COUNTY.

UM, SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE A ONE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RAILROAD, UM, TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES CALL FOR THIS AREA TO BE RURAL ENHANCEMENT.

UM, IN THIS AERIAL SHOT THAT YOU CAN SEE THE WHITE AREA THAT'S, UM, POINTED TO THE AREA.

UM, IT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE SMALL RETAIL BUILDING, UH, DOES EXIST ALREADY.

UM, SCENARIO I BELIEVE IS CALLED THE ROOST.

SO, UM, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST FOR A RETAIL STORE IN THE EXISTING BUILDING.

YOU SEE HER ON THE SCREEN, UH, THE RETAIL SALES ARE PRIMARILY THE SALE OF ONSITE AND LOCALLY GROWN OR RAISED FARM PRODUCTS AND LOCAL CRAFT OR ARTISTS AND PRODUCTS.

YOU KNOW, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SELL THE PRODUCE THAT YOU GROW ON YOUR FARM AND THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU, THAT SHE RAISED.

UM, THIS, UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO SELL THAT THE PRODUCE OF OTHERS AND, AND LOCAL CRAS, AND THE LIKE TO REALLY, UM, HELP ENHANCE SALES OF, OF FARM PRODUCTS IN THE AREA AND, UM, HEALTHY ABILITY PEOPLE TO BUY FRESH PRODUCE, UM, AND ACCOMPANYING THIS ACCESSORY TO THE SHEETS.

WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT AN OUTDOOR DISPLAY IN SALES OF PUMPKIN'S CHRISTMAS TREES AND THOSE RELATED ITEMS, UM, BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 1ST AND JANUARY 1ST, EACH YEAR, THE CONDITIONAL USE ACTIVITY WOULD BE LIMITED TO 8:00 AM TO 7:00 PM, TUESDAY, SORRY, THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.

UH, THIS IS THE, UH, EXHIBIT, UH, SHOWING THE CONCEPT, PLAN THE AREA AGAIN, WHERE THE ASTERISK IS.

YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT'S WHERE THE STORE IS LOCATED AND THE DISPLAY AREA WILL GENERALLY BE UP HERE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE RIB.

UH, COMMUNITY WAS A MEETING WAS HELD IN AUGUST.

A SUPERVISOR WILL ESCALATE AND COMMISSIONER MY IRIS, UM, AS WELL AS SIX SENTENCE CITIZENS DID ATTEND QUESTIONS REALLY RELATED TO PARKING, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE TYPE OF PRODUCTS THAT ARE SOLD HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, IN OCTOBER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND ONE CITIZEN SPOKE AT THE MEETING IN FAVOR OF THEIR REQUEST.

SO THE CONDITIONS, UH, THAT ARE IMPOSED WITH THIS OR PROPOSED TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR THIS CASE IS TO ALLOW THE OPERATION OF A RETAIL STORE, UM, EXCEPT AS PROVIDING A CONDITION FOR WHERE THE CP TALKS ABOUT OUTDOOR SALES AND OUTDOOR DISPLAY, YOU ARE LIMITED TO THE ACTIVITY TO THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

UH, RETAIL SALES AGAIN, WOULD BE PRIMARILY BE THE SALE OF ONE SIDE AND LOCALLY GROWN OR RAISED FARM PRODUCTS, AS WELL AS LOCAL CRAFT AND ARTISTS AND PRODUCTS.

UH, THE SEASONAL OUTDOOR SALES DOES HAVE A LIMITED AREA, UH, DOES ALSO HAVE IN THE LIMITED TIME PERIOD, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUMPKINS OR CHRISTMAS TREE SALES, THERE ARE OTHER TYPE OF CUSTOMER THINGS THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO TO AN AREA WHERE SOMEBODY IS SELLING PUMPKINS OR CHRISTMAS TREES.

AND WE ALSO ACCOMMODATED FOR THOSE TO BE BUILT AS WELL.

I MEAN, PROVIDED AS WELL, THERE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PLAN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR EACH, UM, PHASE OF OPERATION.

FOR INSTANCE, YOU COULD DO A POD JUST TO HAVE THE RETAIL SALES, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE SHE'S ALREADY, UM, AS BABY HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, AND THE MA WOULD NEED ANOTHER UPDATE TO THE POD, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITY WHEN SHE'S READY TO PERFORM THAT.

UH, THE CONDITION IS OF COURSE, AS YOU GENERALLY WOULD CONFORM TO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

UH, THE OUTDOOR SALES AND ACTIVITY IS LIMITED TO THAT FOR THE CHRISTMAS TREE AND PUMPKIN SALES HOURS OF OPERATION WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND THEN, UM, THE LAST TWO CONDITIONS ARE TYPICAL FOR OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS THAT THERE IS AN EXPIRATION DATE OF NOVEMBER 20, 26, AND THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP CONDITION, UH, STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.

THANK YOU, MR. CASH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CASH AT THIS POINT, MS. THIS LAST ONE? OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO BE SURE.

I'M ENTIRELY CLEAR.

SO THE, UM, CUP IS FOR THE RETAIL SALES, THE GOODS OF OTHERS, PRIMARILY NOT WHAT SHE GROWS OR PRODUCES THERE.

CAN SELL PRODUCTS OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING FARM PRODUCTS THAT SHE GROWS OR SOMETHING THAT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

AND THE, OKAY.

SO SHE

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THERE'S REALLY LIMITED TO THE BUILDING AND REALLY GOODS AND PRODUCTS OF OTHERS.

YES MA'AM.

SO SHE PRODUCES IT, SHE GROWS IT.

SHE CAN SELL IT ANYWHERE.

WANT TO BE COMPLETELY CLEAR ON THAT? THANK YOU.

THAT'S THE DISTINCTION.

THAT'S WHAT I BOUGHT.

WHAT DID YOU PROMPT THE QUESTION? BECAUSE IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU, WERE YOU SUGGESTING SHE CAN ONLY SELL STUFF? SHE GROWS OUTSIDE SHIT.

SHE CAN SELL CHICKEN CELL INSIDE OR OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING FOR US.

IN FACT THAT SHE WAS SELLING OUR PRODUCTS BEFORE AT DIFFERENT TIMES INSIDE OR OUTSIDE THINGS SHE GROWS OR OTHER THINGS CORRECT.

THAT'S WHERE I THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT, BUT SHE DOESN'T NEED THE CUP FOR WHAT SHE, AND SHE DOESN'T NEED THE CA SO THE SELL OF OTHER, OTHER PRODUCTS FROM OTHER, UM, SORT OF ARTISAN OR OTHER, UH, FARM GRADE PRODUCTS SINCE LIMITED TO THE INTERIOR OF THE RETAIL, BUILDING HER OWN PRODUCTS, HER OWN THINGS THAT SHE GROWS.

UM, THERE'S NO PROHIBITION ABOUT SELLING THOSE THERE.

THE ORDINANCE REALLY FOCUSES ON, UH, UH, TYPICALLY A FARM STAND TYPE OF, UM, DEVELOPMENT WHEN YOU'RE SELLING THINGS, BUT THE, OF THE CEP ROSE TO REALLY ADDRESS SALES OTHER THAN HER OWN PRODUCTS.

BUT IF I'M UNDERSTANDING, SO IF SHE WANTED TO SELL SWEET CORN FROM SOMEBODY DOWN THE ROAD OUTSIDE, SHE CAN'T DO THAT WITH A CPQ.

CORRECT.

WHICH ISN'T IS THAT, ARE WE IN FOR, UM, THAT THAT REQUEST WAS TO OPERATE A RETAIL STORE? UM, PART OF THE CONSIDERATION WAS, UM, YOU'RE IN AN AGRICULTURAL AREA WHEN NOT EXPECT A LOT OF DOUBTS OR OUTSIDE STORAGE OF, OF GOODS FOR SALE AND THE LIKE, UM, AND, AND SO THE CONDITION THAT WE, UM, STAFF ASKED FOR AND THE APPLICANT AGREED TO WAS THAT IT WOULD BE INTERIOR SALES OTHER THAN, UM, THE SPECIFIC REQUEST FOR THE PUMPKIN AND THE CHRISTMAS TREE AND RELATED ITEMS, SALES.

AND THEN THE FOLLOWUP TO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I LOOK AT THAT AREA AND MISS LAST SELECT IS OBVIOUSLY IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS, BUT ANY OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE, PRODUCE AND GOODS TO FOLKS I THINK WOULD BE WELCOME, WHICH ALSO MAKES ME LOOK AT THE OPERATING HOURS OF THURSDAY TO SUNDAY.

AND I JUST HATE WHEN APPLICANTS LIMIT THEMSELVES.

SO SHE WANTED TO OPEN UP, SHE FINDS OUT THAT, HEY, I'M DOING REALLY WELL.

POPE BOOKS WERE REALLY APPRECIATING THIS AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ON WEDNESDAYS NOW SHE HAS TO GO, COME BACK ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.

UM, SHE WOULD HAVE TO THE REQUEST, UM, WHERE, UM, THAT WAS THE, ACTUALLY THE HOURS I HAD AN EXTRA HOUR OR TWO.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE SAME DAYS THAT THE APPLICANT DID REQUEST FOR OPERATION ON THE INTENTION WAS TO START SMALL.

UM, AND IT WAS AT THIS POINT, JUST HER AND HER SON WOULD BE OPERATING THIS.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT, UH, IT IS LIMITED AT THIS POINT.

OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN SHE COMES UP, BUT I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THIS.

SO IF SHE WANTED TO OPERATE A, JUST A FARM STAND OUTSIDE SELLING PRODUCTS THAT SHE HAS GROWN, AND HER NEIGHBORS HAD GROW MY TOMATOES, WHATEVER, AND SHE'S SELLING THEM FOR ME, SHE CAN DO THAT, RIGHT.

SHE CAN SELL HER OWN PRODUCTS.

SHE CAN NOT SELL.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE REVISION ACTUALLY UNDER ARLA AND ANDREW'S TAKEOUT, YOU REALLY, YOU'RE SELLING YOUR OWN FARM PRODUCTION.

YOUR FARM PRODUCE PRODUCE THAT'S CRIME.

SO IF YOU WANT TO SELL FOR OTHERS, THEN YOU MOVE INTO MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL ACT ASPECT THAT IF YOU THINK OF A FARMER'S MARKET, UM, THE TYPE OF ASPECT.

AND SO PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST WHERE THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THIS LITTLE STORE, UM, AREA, TO BE ABLE TO SELL, UM, JUST DIFFERENT PRIVATE PRODUCTS FOR PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE CDP REQUEST IS FOR.

AND WE CAN TALK TO THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT TRYING TO MESS HER UP AND JUST TRYING TO GIVE HER AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS WE CAN.

THAT'S.

THANK YOU, MR. CASH, WOULD YOU STICK AROUND? I KNOW YOU HAVE THE NEXT ONE ANYWAY.

SO MS. VAPOR NOT COMING UP.

WITH AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR CUSTOMERS MIGHT BE A GOOD, GOOD MATCH.

I'M PAIGE BABER, UM, 6 1 6 5 RIVER ROAD WEST IN COLUMBIA.

SO YEAH, I JUST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I CAME OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND IT'S, IT'S A GREAT LITTLE LOCATION.

IT'S REALLY CUTE.

UM, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

THAT'S WHY I'M QUESTIONING ABOUT, AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

IT'S ME JUST THROWING THINGS OUT THERE, SO I'VE ON IT.

SO THE INTENT IS YOU PLAN TO BE GROWING SOME PRODUCTS THERE AND SELLING THEM, BUT THEN ALSO SELLING PRODUCTS IN THE STORE.

AND I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT MAYBE CONNECTING

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IS THAT KIND OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? YES, MA'AM RIGHT.

UM, I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

OH, THE OTHER QUESTION WAS THEY WERE THE DAYS.

SO RIGHT NOW IT IS YOU'RE REQUESTING LIKE, WAS IT THURSDAY THROUGH? YES.

I MEAN, SO IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE, LET'S SAY IF YOU HAD A WEDNESDAY THAT WOULD NOT, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SORT OF PERMISSION TO DO WEDNESDAY.

SO IS IT BETTER TO, IF WE CAN CHANGE IT TO GIVE YOU MORE DAYS, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT INTEND TO DO IT RIGHT NOW, YOU'D HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S REAL IMPORTANT TO HAVE CONSISTENT HOURS.

AND LIKE HE WAS SAYING THAT IT'S GOOD TO START SMALL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING IT IS WHEN YOU SAY, OH, I'D LIKE TO RUN OUT AND GET THAT.

AND THEY'RE ONLY OPEN FOUR DAYS A WEEK OR WHATEVER.

SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, AT LEAST ADD ONE MORE, ONE MORE DAY TO IT.

WELL, I MEAN, IT'S NOT TO ME PERSONALLY.

I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A BAD IT'S FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE OPEN FIVE, YOU KNOW, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, IT WOULD BE OKAY WITH ME.

I MEAN, CAUSE YOU'RE NOT HURTING ANYTHING.

AND I HEARD ANYBODY THERE.

WELL, YOU MAY NOT, YOU MAY NOT, BUT, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU THE FLEXIBILITY AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CHANGE THE APPLICATION ON THE FLY AS THIS, BUT YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES, A SUGGESTION I WAS GOING TO HAVE ALONG THOSE LINES, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO PAY A FEE, BE IN VIOLATION OR HAVE TO PAY ANOTHER FEE.

IF YOU WANTED TO START OUT TWO DAYS A WEEK, THAT'S NOT, BUT WHAT IF YOU DECIDED LIKE MR. SPOONER, WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I COULD REALLY ROCK AND ROLL ON TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

SO WOULD IT HELP YOU IF WE SAID FIVE DAYS A WEEK AND JUST YOU PICK THE FIVE, UM, THAT WOULD HELP A LOT OR JUST SAY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

UM, ALSO BECAUSE IT IS NEW AND, UM, WE MAY NOT HAVE ANYBODY COME ON MONDAYS AND DECIDE WE CAN BE CLOSED ON MONDAYS, BUT ANOTHER DAY MIGHT BE BUSIER.

SO YES, THAT DEFINITELY WOULD HELP.

YOU'RE SELLING PUMPKINS AND CHRISTMAS TREES.

PEOPLE WANT A MANA MONDAY.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WAIT TILL THURSDAY.

I KNOW.

THE CONTACTS I MAKE IN THE AREA OF OTHER FARMERS AND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO.

SO THAT'S ONE, ONE CONSIDERATION.

SO I THINK I FOLLOWED MR. CASH WHEN HE WAS EXPLAINING IT.

SOME OF IT IS JUST, I THINK MAYBE NOT MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT USED TO PERMITTED BY, RIGHT.

AND THEN WHAT DO YOU NEED TO SEE YOU PAY FOR, BUT YOU AREN'T GOING TO SELL PUMPKIN'S CHRISTMAS TREES AND RELATED ITEMS OF OTHERS ON THE OUTSIDE AREAS THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO, UM, I READ A LITTLE THING.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT HELPS, BUT, UM, W WE ARE TRYING TO, UM, CREATE KIND OF A COUNTRY STORE IDEA.

UM, WE HOPE TO, UM, UM, EVENTUALLY, UM, HAVE IT BE A DESTINATION, UM, STOP ON OUR FARM, OFFERING LOCALLY GROWN, FRESH FRUITS AND PRODUCE AT OUR STORE.

UM, ALSO OFFERING A VARIETY OF RETAIL ITEMS FROM LOCAL FARMERS, ARTISANS AND CRAFTERS, UM, THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, SUSTAINABLE.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY, UM, HAS, UM, JELLIES, UM, HONEY CHEESE BREADS AND BAKED GOODS, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SELL THOSE.

AND I'D LIKE TO SET UP THE STORE.

SO IT WAS, UM, SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME IN AND BUY THOSE THINGS.

BUT IF WE HAVE, UM, LIKE CHRISTMAS TREES, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T PUT THAT INSIDE THE STORE.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE STORE AND BE LIMITED TO THE TIME THAT HE, HE PUT ON THE THING, BUT LIKE THE PUMPKINS, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, BY THE ROAD.

SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE DRIVING BY, THEY CAN SAY, I CAN PICK UP A PUMPKIN THERE.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IN THE SPRINGTIME THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISPLAY OUTSIDE? UM, PROBABLY, UM, IT, I JUST DON'T KNOW YET.

LIKE RIGHT NOW I HAVE, UM, JUST A FEW, UM, THINGS, UM, THAT WE'VE GROWN, UM, THAT WE COULD, UM, HAVE IN THE STORE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'LL HAVE IN THE SPRING.

DO YOU SEE YOURSELF IN THE NEAR FUTURE NEEDING TO DO AN OUTSIDE DISPLAY AND SALES OUTSIDE OF SEPTEMBER? WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, HAVING, UM, DIFFERENT, UM, EVENTS LIKE AROUND HOLIDAYS WHERE WE COULD SELL THINGS OUTSIDE AND INSIDE AND MAYBE HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN IF THEY WANTED TO COME IN FOR THAT, UM, SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO SELL THEIR ITEMS. UM, THE FLOWERS, UM, WE'LL HAVE THOSE IN THE SPRING.

UM, I'M NOT SURE, UH, DEPENDING ON

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AND IF THIS, IF WE APPROVE THIS AS THEY'RE WITH THEIR CONDITIONS ON IT NOW, I DON'T THINK LIKE IF YOU GET SPRINGTIME FLOWERS AND YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE AREA THAT WANTS TO COME OUT AND DISPLAY ON A SATURDAY MORNING AND SELL THEM IN THE DISPLAYER, I DON'T THINK, I THINK YOU'LL BE IN VIOLATION IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY.

AND THAT'S FINE TOO.

OF COURSE, IT'S UP TO, YOU ALL KNOW IT'S YOUR APPLICATION.

AND I THINK WE HAVE A PLAN SUCH AS WE WANT, WE WANT, WE DON'T WANT TO BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO YOUR SUCCESS.

UM, AND, AND IF, IF, IF WE'RE PROTECT, PROTECTING AND PRESERVING THE COUNTY AND THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE, WE WANT, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE GREAT SUCCESS YEAR ROUND.

GREAT.

THANKS TO ALVAREZ WANTS YOU TO WORK SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, MAKE ME WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT.

WE'RE HERE TO HELP.

DO YOU HAVE, WELL, WE HAVEN'T HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING YET, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

WE MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK THIS LAST COLETTE HAS SOME THOUGHTS, BUT WE GOT TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC FIRST.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. BABER.

ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ABOUT THE APPLICATION, UH, FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OUT OF DISTRICT ONE ON RIVER ROAD WEST, PLEASE COME FORWARD, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

AND COULD YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MS. BEST K WITS.

THANKS FOR STARTING MY LIGHT.

UM, I HOPE, AND I WANT TO SAY, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE EFFORT TO HELP THIS BUSINESS SUCCEED.

I MEAN, IT'S AGRITOURISM, SO I'M WEARING TWO HATS HERE, AGRICULTURE AND TOURISM, AND, UM, HAVING STARTED BUSINESSES MYSELF, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PART OF IT'S GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND WHAT PART OF IT IS GOING TO BE RESEARCH AND DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE.

SO, UH, THE FLEXIBILITY ASPECT THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT, UM, UH, WITHIN REASON OF CARP BLOCK, GIVE THEM AS MUCH OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED AS POSSIBLE.

SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING THAT KIND OF ENCOURAGEMENT.

AND, UH, I DO COME HERE ON OCCASION AND WATCH THE BOARD IN ACTION IN SOME FOLKS THAT NEVER HAVE COME HERE BEFORE.

REALLY DON'T APPRECIATE HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.

AND THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT, OH, NO, I'M NOT DOING IT.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR MENTORING SMALL BUSINESS HERE IN THE COUNTY AND AGRITOURISM WITH THAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S A WIN-WIN FOR ME.

I'M GOING TO GO BUY A LOTTERY TICKET.

MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE HEARS ME.

NO ONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ON THIS APPLICATION FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE RUN NOW, UM, DISCUSS THE APPLICATION OR MAYBE WE HAVE A MOTION I'M READY FOR A MOTION.

IF YOU'RE READY.

YES MA'AM PLEASE.

LET ME GET MY PEN OUT AND THEY CAN'T STOP ME.

SO, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE APPROVAL THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GRANT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SEE YOU 2 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 8 FOR RETAIL STORE AT 61 65 RIVER ROAD, WEST SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UM, IN THE SECOND LINE, UH, SEASONAL OUTDOOR SALES IN THE DISPLAY AREA DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT A, WHICH SHALL NOT.

UH, LET'S SAY THAT, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY THE, LET'S SAY THE SAFE.

SO THE DISPLAY AND SALE RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS DISPLAY AND SALE OF PUMPKINS AND CHRISTMAS TREES.

I WOULD LIKE IT TO SAY THIS DISPLAY OF SUCH ITEMS AS PUMPKINS AND CHRISTMAS TREES TO GIVE HER THE FLEXIBILITY.

THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE.

AND THEN ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

UM, I IMAGINE THE HOURS ARE FINE AND THE DAYS OF THE WEEK, OR JUST A SUNDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, HOLD ON.

LET'S GO BACK TO NUMBER FOUR AND LOOK AT THE SECOND TO LAST SENTENCE.

THIS OUTSIDE DISPLAY AND SALES SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE PERIOD BETWEEN SEPTEMBER ONE TO JANUARY ONE.

DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT? UH, YEAH.

LET'S STRIKE THAT.

SEPTEMBER ONE TO AUGUST 31ST.

I MEAN, I THINK WE JUST STRIKE THAT SENTENCE.

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GOOD CATCH MS. ESCALATE.

IF I MAY, YOU HAD THIS SUCH AS IN THE FIRST SENTENCE AND THE SET, THE CONSENT AND STARTS THE PUMPKIN'S WHO CHRISTMAS TREES SOLD.

SHALL WE JUST SAY THE ITEMS SOLD OR NOT? YES.

WHAT ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF THOSE GROWN ON SITE? YEAH.

AND THEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PERMITTED SALES YES.

TAKE PUMPKIN AND CHRISTMAS TREE OUT.

YUP.

WELL, AND THEN AGAIN, CUSTOMARY TO THE SALE OF, SHOULD WE SIMPLY HAVE IT THEN READ OTHER LOCALLY GROWN OR CRAFTED PRODUCTS, PERIOD? UH, YEAH.

WELL, LOOK, WE GROWN A CRAFTED PRODUCTS.

MAYBE SOLD MAY OCCUR, STRIKES ONLY BULLY BULLY SOMEBODY ACTUALLY RECORDING THIS.

PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY WATCHING IT LIVE.

IT'S KIND OF SCARY.

UM, SO THAT'S MY MOTION.

CAN YOU GO BACK? CAN YOU GO BACK, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU DID WITH NUMBER EIGHT? DID YOU JUST REMEMBER LAST COLLETTE? SHALL I READ WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT NUMBER FOUR TO MAKE THAT CLEAR? THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

LET ME DO THIS MCGEE AND ON THIS PIGGY, YOU HOLD ON A SECOND.

SO NUMBER EIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US THE SUMMARY ON NUMBER FOUR, BUT THE ONLY OTHER ONE YOU CHANGED WAS NUMBER EIGHT.

AND DID YOU, WHAT'D YOU DO AGAIN, JUST DELETE IT THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY AND JUST LEFT AT EIGHT TO SEVEN PERIOD.

RIGHT? OKAY.

SO WE KNOW THAT NUMBER EIGHT, JUST DELETE THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY AND OUR COUNTY.

ATTORNEY'S GONNA WALK US THROUGH, WE CAN DO NUMBER FOUR, TELL YOU WHAT I SAID IN THE DISPLAY AREA DEPICTED ON EXHIBIT A, UH, COMMA, WHICH SHALL NOT EXCEED 2,500 SQUARE FEET IN AREA COMMA, THE OUTSIDE DISPLAY AND SALE OF ITEMS SUCH AS PUMPKINS AND CHRISTMAS TREES MAY OCCUR AS ACCESSORY TO THE RETAIL USE THE ITEMS SOLD ARE NOT LIMITED TO THOSE GROWN ON SITE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PERMITTED SALES OTHER LOCALLY GROWN OR CRAFTED PRODUCTS MAY BE SOLD, NO PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY STRUCTURES SHALL BE SET BUILT FOR THIS USE, UM, TEMPORARY STRUCTURE.

SO IF YOU PUT LIKE A LITTLE STAND TO PUT PUMPKINS ON YOU COULDN'T DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS THIS IS AGAIN, SHE'S GOT HER STORE AND THEN THIS IS 2,500 SQUARE FEET ON THE GROUND, BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY PUT TABLES UP.

I'M NOT SURE THIS SHALL BE BUILT.

THAT BUILT IS THE WORD.

THAT SOUNDS WONDERFUL.

GOOD JOB.

WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, I HEARD THAT MR. SPOON HOUSE.

SO WE GOT THE SECOND IN THERE.

MS. BAKER.

I THINK WE'VE KIND OF DONE ENOUGH HERE THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME UP ONE MORE TIME AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT WE DID.

DO YOU EVEN RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU ASKED FOR? DID YOU, DID YOU FOLLOW EVERYTHING AND DOES THAT, DOES THAT, UH, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU, YOU, THIS IS YOUR APPLICATION AND THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.

AND, UH, SO I JUST, W I THINK WE ALL WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH YES, SIR.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I THINK THIS IS GREAT.

SO THANK YOU MORE THAN MORE THAN WE BARGAINED FOR.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, MA'AM.

WILL START BACK UP HERE WITH OUR FIFTH PUBLIC.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION AND THE SECOND ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.

MR. ALVAREZ, MR. SPORT HOLLAND.

UNANIMOUS, UNANIMOUS, AND CONGRATULATIONS, AND BEST WISHES.

AND CAN I GET MY CHRISTMAS TREE OUT THERE SOON? OKAY, THANKS.

YEAH, WE SHOULD CHECK.

YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK? THERE'S A REQUEST FOR A BREAK.

MR. CHAIRMAN, WE WILL TAKE A BREAK FOR 45 SECONDS.

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UM, MR. CASH IS GOING TO PRESENT THIS ONE TO US AS WELL.

THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM STRICKLAND MANUFACTURING, LLC.

BEFORE YOU, AGAIN, IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AGAIN, I, AGAIN, IT'S RAY CASH ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THIS REQUEST

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UH, THE REQUEST IS SPECIFICALLY FOR METAL PRODUCTS, ASSEMBLY, CUTTING AND FABRICATION, AS WELL AS OUTSIDE STORAGE AND AN M ONE DISTRICT.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED GENERALLY ON THE NORTH OR A LITTLE BIT NORTHEASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY.

IT IS LOCATED CURRENTLY, UM, AND OUR PROPERTIES, IF YOU SEE TO THE NORTH RAID TO, TO THE SOUTH, UM, UH, SURROUNDING IS M ONE AND DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET IS THE GATES AND SCHOOL BUS DEPOT.

UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROPERTY, UM, AGAIN, YOU'RE A DEMONSTRATED, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES CALL FOR THE AREA TO BE INDUSTRIAL THROUGHOUT ABOUT RUIN HAND, SPENT EVERETT FURTHER MUCH FURTHER TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY.

THE OWNER DOES CURRENTLY OFFER THE APPLICANT CAUSE THAT'S CURRENTLY OPERATED A PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE, UM, WHERE THEY PERFORM, UH, TYPE OF USE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST.

A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS FOUR ACRES AND IT'S LOCATED IN THE GOOCHLAND INDUSTRIAL PARK.

UM, THAT WAS ZONED BACK ON M ONE IN 1981 INCLUDED SIX SLOTS AND THEY RANGE IN SIZE FROM FOUR TO SIX ACRES.

UM, A COMPARABLE CEP WAS THAT, AS I MENTIONED, WAS APPROVED, UM, IN 2013 ON THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT SET THE END OF THE CALL TO SAC.

AND GENERALLY, UH, THEY OPERATE AND FACILITY, UM, OF FACILITY.

THEY MANUFACTURER ATTACHMENTS AND BUCKETS, GRAPPLES, AND EXCAVATORS, SIMILAR EQUIPMENT.

AND THEY ACTUALLY OUT STORE THAT OUTSIDE AS WELL.

WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING AS PREVIOUSLY SAID, UM, PREVIOUS, UH, POSSIBILITY OF, UH, PRODUCT ASSEMBLING, CUTTING FABRICATION, OUTSIDE STORAGE.

UM, THEY ALSO ARE PROPOSING THAT INITIALLY THEY'RE GOING TO COME FORWARD JUST OUTSIDE STORAGE.

UM, BUT THE LONG-TERM PLANS IS TO ACTUALLY PLACE A BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL, WHICH WE'LL SEE IN THE EXHIBIT, UM, PROFFERS THAT AFFECT THIS CASE FROM THE PREVIOUS, UH, 1981 CASE, THERE IS A 60 FOOT BUFFER THAT GOES AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE INDUSTRIAL, UH, PROPERTY PROJECT, UM, WITH CONDITION 50 FOOT BUFFER, NATURAL STRIP TO BE LEFT IN TACK, UM, AND THEN BUILDING SOME LUNCH AT 30 FEET, 35 FEET IN HEIGHT WITH UTILITIES INSTALLED UNDERGROUND.

THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

UH, SO THE AREA THAT'S REALLY, IF YOU CAN MAKE OUT THE BEIGE OR A YELLOW PROVISION, THERE IS REALLY THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA.

UH, BLUE IS WHERE THEY POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE, UM, COULD BE INSTALLING A PROPOSED BUILDING AGAIN.

THE APPLICANT, UH, WAS NOT NECESSARILY COMING FORWARD WITH THAT.

AT THIS TIME, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD, UM, BY THE APPLICANT.

UH, NO CITIZENS ATTENDED THE MEETING.

AND IN OCTOBER AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID BY VODAFONE AS YOUR RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH NO ONE SPEAKING AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO CONDITIONS FOR THIS IS TO LIMIT, UH, TO SPECIFICALLY STATE WHAT THE USE REQUESTED IS, UM, FOR THE METAL PRODUCTS ASSEMBLY, ET CETERA.

UM, AND TO ALLOW THE OUTSIDE STORAGE, THE USES SHALL NOT BEGIN TYPICALLY AS OUR CONDITIONS WOULD RING UNTIL THE POD HAS BEEN APPROVED, UM, UH, DEMONSTRATE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH IS EXHIBIT A, UH, OUTSIDE STORAGE, UH, CANNOT OCCUR WITHIN PARKING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED ON THE POD.

UH, WE WOULD REQUEST A LIGHTING PLAN THAT COMES FORWARD.

UH, GENERALLY AT THE SAME TIME AS THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS A CONDITION RELATED TO SCREENING FOR THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AREAS AND THIS TYPICAL, UM, WE HAVE ESTABLISHED AT THIS POINT A FIVE-YEAR, UM, EXPIRATION DATE FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THE, THE STANDARD CONDITION REGARDING TO THE RELATED TO THE TRANSFER OF LEASE OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, STAFF IS HERE FROM, UH, ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT WAS PRESENT AS WELL.

THANK YOU, MR. CASH, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CASH? THIS POINT, THANK YOU.

THAT WAS, THE APPLE CAN WISH TO SPEAK TO US.

HE'S BEEN, HE'S BEEN WATCHING THIS LONG ENOUGH, LIKE THE THUMBS UP WE'LL HAVE HIM OPEN 24 7.

SO PUBLIC HEARING, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

PRETTY MUCH STRICTLY MANUFACTURING, ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD, COME FORWARD.

HE SPOKE.

DISCUSSION EMOTION? NO, NO, NO, GO AHEAD.

SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BOARD MEMBERS.

ANY

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TURN YOUR MIC ON IF YOU INSIST.

UM, WHEN DO YOU WANT ME TO ACT EMOTION AND THEN, AND THEN ASK THE QUESTION EITHER WAY YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION IF YOU WANT.

I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GRANT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU 2021 DASH 0 0 0 1 0 4 METAL PRODUCTS ASSEMBLY, CUTTING FABRICATION AND OUTDOOR STORAGE AT 10 90 MERCHANTS LANE, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.

THANK YOU, MR. SHARP, MISS THAT.

DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, MR. SHARP.

THAT'S THE TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, CAN YOU BRING UP THE MAP OF THE SITE, BUT DO YOU WANT THE AREA OR THE SITE PLAN PLAN? THERE YOU GO.

THE PROPOSED BUILDING, THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS JUST IN HERE THAT, THAT SPOKE WITH YOU ALL, WHERE DOES HE LIVE? AND CON HE, I BELIEVE IS OVER ON, UH, ALONG THIS PROPERTY LINE.

HE'S ON AN AGRICULTURAL PIECE DIRECTLY TO, TO THE OTHER SIDE.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, I'M LOOKING AT THIS ORIENTATION CORRECTLY.

LET ME DOUBLE CHECK.

AM I RIGHT? YEAH.

UM, CAUSE BUS DEPOT IS ACTUALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS.

OH, HE'S A CLASS.

OH NO, THE BUS DEEP IS THERE.

THE NEIGHBOR IS ON THE SIDE, BUT, UM, THE, IF THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO SPEAK WITH HIM AND ADDRESS HIS CONCERN.

SO, I MEAN, EVEN FOR THE FUTURE BUILDING, THAT'S GOING TO GO IN, RIGHT.

IT WOULD STILL HAVE 60 FOOT BUFFER THERE, EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT IN.

AND THEN THE LIGHTING, IS THAT, IS THAT DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING OR IS THAT WELL, THE ORDINANCE DOES CALL FOR IT.

I MEAN, OUR POLICY CALLS FOR THE DARK SCAR LIGHTING.

AND I THINK PART OF THIS CONCERN WAS THIS BEING AN OUTDOOR STORAGE USE THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'D REVIEW STANDARDLY, THE, THE PLAN FOR THAT, UM, WHICH IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD DO.

I'M JUST QUESTIONING.

CAUSE IF THERE ARE PEOPLE OVER THERE, IF IT'S ALL LIT UP AT NIGHT, RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE TO, PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL AREA AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS DO THOSE THINGS.

SO THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS ANSWERED? YES.

ALRIGHT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.

MOTION CARRIES MOTION.

THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING OF EVENING IS IN DISTRICT FOUR APPLICATION BY JOHN CASKEY REQUESTING A REZONING.

AND WE'RE BACK IN THE, SHERRY'S GOING TO LEAD US IN THIS ONE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, AS YOU STATED, THIS, UH, APPLICATION IS FOR A REZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED TO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL WITH, UH, PROFFERS TO PROVIDE FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE OF CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT.

UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED REVISED PROFFER SINCE THE AGENDA PACKET WAS PUBLISHED.

THE, UM, BLACK LINE VERSION OF THAT IS ON THE DYESS PLACED, UH, THEREFORE YOU AND I WILL ALSO BE REPRESENTING THAT, UM, IN MY PRESENTATION.

AND SO BOARD MEMBERS, SHOULD YOU MOVE TO APPROVE THIS, PLEASE MOVE IT AS AMENDED BECAUSE WHAT IS PRESENTED IN YOUR PACKET IS NO LONGER BEFORE YOU, SO THIS WOULD BE A MOTION AS AMENDED, EVEN IF YOU'RE ACCEPTING THE PROFFERS AS WRITTEN.

SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UH, NORTH OF, UM, BROAD STREET ROAD, UH, JUST OUTSIDE OF THE OIL VILLE VILLAGE.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED, UH, AGRICULTURAL, UH, SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH EAST AND SOUTH ARE SIMILARLY ZONED, UH, TO THE LEFT.

YOU HAVE THE OLD DEMAND OR TO THE LEFT TO THE WEST.

RATHER YOU HAVE THE OLD DOMINION INDUSTRIAL PARK.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IS ZONED, UH, FOR INDUSTRY, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS, UH, UH, RURAL AND RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA FOR THE

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SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UH, THE AREAS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST ARE SIMILARLY DESIGNATED.

AND, UH, THE AREAS TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST ARE, UM, IDENTIFIED AS INDUSTRIAL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UH, THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN, UM, ON THE AERIAL, THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE OLD DOMINION INDUSTRIAL PARK WITH VAL PARK.

UM, DRIVE RUNNING UP THROUGH THE, UH, PARK.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO, UM, THE EXISTING BUSINESS, UH, UH, THAT THE CASCADES RUN, UH, THIS LOCATION, UM, UH, IS ADJACENT TO THIS PARCEL.

SO THEY BOTH WOULD BE ACCESSING, UM, BELL PARK DRIVE IF THIS IS APPROVED.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, UH, THE YELLOW IDENTIFIES THE, UM, THE EXISTING BUSINESS WHERE THEY RUN A CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS.

THEY HAVE A WAREHOUSE AS WELL AS AN OFFICE AND OUTSIDE STORAGE ON THIS LOCATION.

UM, THEY HAVE, UM, THEY OWN THE PROPERTY.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

THEY HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN DOING SOME OUTSIDE STORAGE AND BY, UM, APPROVING THIS REQUEST, IT WOULD PUT THEM IN COMPLIANCE AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO, UM, USE THE PROPERTY FOR STORAGE.

UH, THE CASCADES DID, UM, SUBMIT A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, WHICH KIND OF SPELLS OUT WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING, UM, OUTSIDE STORAGE ON THE PROPERTY, UM, AS THEY PRESENTED INTO THE, IN THE CONCEPT PLAN WOULD BE GENERALLY LOCATED WHERE THE CLEARING CURRENTLY IS.

UH, THEY ALSO IDENTIFY A POTENTIAL FUTURE, UH, UM, BUILDING WHERE THEY MIGHT DO SOME ADDITIONAL STORAGE.

UH, THEY HAVE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN PINK IDENTIFIED THE AREAS THAT THEY WOULD BE PROVIDING A, UM, EXISTING, UH, VEGETATION OF 40 FOOT TO ADD TO THE, UM, THE, THE BUFFERING AND OF THE, UM, OUTSIDE STORAGE.

AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT WOULD ACCESS VAL PARK DRIVE.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL TO THE RIGHT IT'S CONSISTENT TO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

THEY HAVE, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED AS A PROFFER.

IT'S JUST HERE FOR AN EXAMPLE.

SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, UH, THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE AREA.

UH, THEY RANGE BETWEEN 120 AND 400 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS ONE IDENTIFIED IN BLUE THAT IS ONLY 120 FEET.

THE CASCADES ACTUALLY OWN THAT, UH, PROPERTY, UH, CURRENTLY, UM, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

SHE CAN MAYBE EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO, WHO ACTUALLY OCCUPIES THAT PROPERTY.

UM, AND I MENTIONED THE BUFFERS.

UM, SO THERE ARE A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE, UM, THEY HAVE PROFFERED A 40 FOOT BUFFER.

UM, IN THE INSTANCE, WHEN IT GETS CLEARED THROUGH THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUPPLY US WITH THE PLAN.

AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THERE WASN'T A NEED FOR ANY SUPPLEMENTAL, UM, PLANTINGS.

SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT AS I HAD MENTIONED, UH, RECOMMENDS THIS AREA FOR, UM, RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.

UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, WAS BASED ON THE EXISTING ZONING.

SO AT THE TIME, UH, ONLY THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, UM, AS AN, UH, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONING WERE INCLUDED IN THE INDUSTRIAL, UH, PORTION OF THE, OF THE PLAN, UH, THERE FOR FISCAL IMPACT, UH, DEVELOPMENT AS PROPOSED WOULD EXPAND THE CITIES COUNTIES TAX BASE, AS WELL AS SUPPORT THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING BUSINESS.

THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD IN JULY, UM, AND ATTENDED WAS, UM, MR. SHARP, AS WELL AS IN THEIR CITIZENS ATTENDED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN OCTOBER.

THE PROFFERS ARE AS FOLLOWS.

THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED A MINIMUM 50 FOOT, UH, EXCUSE ME, 40 FOOT NATURAL BUFFER SCREENING, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, A COMMITMENT TO REPLACE ANY DEAD OR DISEASED TREES.

UM, AND IF THEY ARE REMOVED, THEY WILL BE REPLACED, UH, TO ALLOW, UM, ONLY, UH, DRILLED WELLS AND NOT BOARD.

UH, THEY HAVE RESTRICTED ALL ACCESS TO POT-HOLE ROAD AND, UM, HAVE, UM, LIMITED, UH, CERTAIN USES FROM, UH, BEING ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY THAT, UH, CONCLUDES MY PORTION OF THE, UM, PRESENTATION I'D BE.

AND WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AS WELL.

THANK YOU, MS. SHERRY, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST SLIDE

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REAL QUICKLY? YEAH.

ANY QUESTIONS MS. SHERRY AT THIS POINT IN THIS LAST CLIENT? I THINK MS. SHERRY, UH, SO, UM, PROFFER NUMBER TWO, ALL WELLS WILL BE DRILLED AND NOT BOARD.

WHY IS IT, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S JUST BEEN CONSISTENT WITH, UM, THE, UH, CON THE PROFFERS THAT WERE PLACED IN THE AREA.

UM, IT REALLY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, MOST ARE DRILLED.

THERE'S VERY FEW THAT ARE BORED.

I THINK IT WOULD, UH, PROVIDE, UM, IT WOULD BE A DEEPER WELL, SO THAT, THAT WAY THERE WOULD BE LESS, UM, CONTAMINATION OPPORTUNITIES.

I JUST, UM, AND I FIGURED MOST WELLS NOW ARE DRILLED AND NOT BORED, BUT IS THAT MORE EXPENSIVE? I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

THEY ARE, THEY ARE MORE EXPENSIVE.

I MEAN, IS THERE, UM, I MEAN, FOR THE BUSINESS ITSELF, I I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHETHER WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT.

I MEAN, AGAIN, I THINK MOST NEW WELLS ARE PROBABLY DRILLED, RIGHT.

BUT WHY ARE WE REQUIRING THAT AT A HIGHER EXPENSE TO THE APPLICANT? SO I'M IN DISCUSSION WITH THE CASCADES, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DISCUSS, WHAT KINDS OF THINGS DO YOU ARE NORMALLY PROFFERED.

WE WENT BACK TO AND JUST POINTED THEM TO, UM, THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THE THINGS THAT THEY HAD HAD DONE.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S IN THERE.

THIS WASN'T NECESSARILY A DIRECT REQUEST FROM STAFF.

IT WAS OFFERED BY THE APPLICANT JUST BASED ON WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING.

SO IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S MORE, UM, LIKE A STANDARD OR SOMETHING, AS OPPOSED TO ANY REALLY SPECIFIC REASON FOR IT, IT JUST HAD TO DO WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE, THE, THE GOING DEEPER, UH, PUTS IT LESS AS A POSSIBLE CONTAMINANT INTO, UM, THE AQUIFER, I GUESS I'M NOT EXACTLY A, UM, GROUNDWATER SPECIALIST, BUT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT A REQUIREMENT OF PREVIOUS DEVELOPERS IN THE PARK, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF BEING CONSISTENT AND MAYBE IT WASN'T A STANDARD, BUT IT WAS, UM, PRECEDENT.

IT'S, UH, WE SEE THAT OFTEN IN INDUSTRIAL USES, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY, UM, OTHER RESIDENTIAL, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HEALTH DEPARTMENT REQUIRES, OR SIR.

ALRIGHT.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

WOULD YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THE, UM, THE SITE PLAN? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE.

SO IT'S NORTH AND WEST, UM, NORTHERN WEST IS THE INDUSTRIAL PARK.

THIS IS OKAY.

SO WHAT, OKAY, SO WOULD THAT BE MORE HELPFUL? YEAH, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THAT DOG.

AND YOU JUST HAD UP, YOU SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT IS NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION.

IT IS EXAMPLE.

GO BACK TO THE WHERE YOU WERE.

SO THAT, SO THE, THE, UM, SHADED IN PORTION IS ACTUALLY, UH, THE PART THAT IS PART OF THE, UM, INDUSTRIAL PARK, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS TO THE WEST.

AND THEN, UH, THE EXISTING BUSINESS IS ALSO NOT WITHIN THE, UH, THE, UM, INDUSTRIAL PARK.

SO WHAT WAS THE YELLOW AGAIN? IT'S THEIR EXISTING BUSINESS.

YELLOW'S EXISTING.

BLUE IS WHAT WE'RE RAISED.

MA'AM QUEST ZONE.

SO IS THAT EAST NORTH OF THAT BLUE PROPERTY? THAT'S RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT.

THIS IS A, UM, A FARM WHERE THEY HOUSE ON IT.

THERE, THESE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL, AS I MENTIONED, THEY HAD OWNED, THEY OWN THIS PARCEL.

AND THEN, UM, THIS IS RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS THERE'S HOUSES RIGHT HERE AT THE FRONT, THE FRONT OF THE PARK, RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO RIGHT THERE AT THE, AT POTHOLE ROAD, JUST SOUTH OF POTHOLE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UM, RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

THERE WAS NO OBJECTIONS BY ANY NEIGHBORS.

NOBODY CAME TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND I'VE HEARD NOTHING.

UH, STAFF HAS HEARD NOTHING SO FAR, AND NOBODY SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THAT THIS WHOLE REZONING GOT STARTED.

MICHELLE.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADDRESS US? SHE'S SCARED TO GOOD EVENING.

I'M GINGER CASKEY.

THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY IS 2 0 3 1 VAL PARK.

AND I JUST WANT TO DIMENSION

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WHEN SOMEONE, I DON'T KNOW WHO MADE A COMPLAINT, THAT WE WERE STORING PIPE ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWNED NEXT DOOR IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS NOT VISIBLE TO ANYONE AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S NOT VISIBLE TO THE ROAD AND IT'S NOT VISIBLE TO THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL AREA, BUT THAT'S WHAT STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS WAS THAT WE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT BECAUSE WE WERE STORING CONCRETE PIPE ON OUR PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.

SO IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD MAKE IT OKAY FOR US TO STORE OUR MATERIALS ON OUR LOT.

THAT'S WHY WE FILED FOR THE REASON AND APPLICATION.

WE HAVE NO CURRENT INTENTION TO BUILD ANYTHING IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT WE WERE JUST TRYING TO STAY ON BOARD WITH WHAT IS EXPECTED.

THANK YOU, MS. CASKEY.

SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING STORING THE PIPES, YOU RESTORING THE PIPES IN THE BLUE, THE BLUE TRUCK.

YOU CAN SEE THAT PARKING LOT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ASSUME IN, OR IF YOU CAN TELL, BUT WHAT'S STORED OVER.

THERE ARE, UM, ACCESSORY PIECES TO EQUIPMENT AND EXTRA PARTS AND PIECES OFF OF PROJECTS WHEN WE'VE GOTTEN FINISHED, WE'VE JUST BROUGHT IT BACK AND STORED IT FOR FUTURE USE.

SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BUY IT AGAIN.

AND BASICALLY AS CULVERT PIPES OR MANHOLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT ANYTHING DEGRADING BIODEGRADING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND YOUR ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY IS ALONG THAT AS LONG AS THAT ROAD THROUGH THE PARK AND THAT'S SMELLED, YES.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S RIGHT THERE.

AND WHOSE PROPERTY IS THAT? THAT YOU'RE CROSSING THERE? THAT'S OURS.

THE ONE THAT'S IN THE PARK IS YOURS.

THERE'S, UM, EASEMENT FOR OUR DRIVEWAY.

SO THAT'S OUR, UM, 50 FOOT EASEMENT.

WHAT'S WHAT'S THAT SWATH OF LAND, LIKE, YEAH.

THAT'S, THAT'S SOME HOTWIRE.

SO THE DOMINION POWER, THAT'S A NEW, THAT IS A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE DOMINION POWER EASEMENT.

WE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE HERE AND THEN ANY OTHER, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

LAST PUBLIC HEARING.

IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ON THIS, UH, ON THIS, UH, REZONING APPLICATION, PLEASE COME FORWARD, PLEASE.

SO SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING AND, UH, DISCUSSION BOARD MOTION.

THIS CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVE REZONING OUR Z 2 0 2 1 2 DASH 0 0 0 0 7 4 13 0.35 ACRES ON POTHOLE ROAD FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TO, TO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL, M TWO WITH PROSPERED CONDITIONS AS AMENDED SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS IS, UM, WE'VE GOT THE BUFFERS PRESERVING DRILL, NO ACCESS TO POP OVER.

AND THEN, SO WITH OUR RECENT CHANGES IN ALL THE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS OF STAFF, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE PROPER NUMBER FOUR AND THE REVISED ONES WITH THE, IN THE LAST SLIDE, IN YOUR PRESENTATION.

SECOND TO LAST SLIDE, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE THAT WE'VE EXCLUDED EVERYTHING THAT WE SHOULD EXCLUDE THAT WOULD AS FOR THE PROPER, YES.