[1. Call To Order]
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AND I'LL CALL TO ORDER THE DECEMBER 2ND, 2021 MEETING AS A GOOCHLAND COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
AND WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION.
[2. Pledge of Allegiance]
THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WHICH IS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.THE LORD, I PRAY THAT YOU GOT US ALWAYS
[3. Invocation - Led By Mr. Rockecharlie]
SATISFY THE NEEDS THAT NEED TO BE MET DURING THIS MEETING, STRENGTHEN US.AS WE MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS, I PRAY THAT IT WILL BE LIKE A WELL-WATERED GARDEN, LIKE A SPRING WHOSE WATERS NEVER FAIL.
I PRAY THAT WE WILL BE FRUITFUL BY OTHER POLICE GOT US.
SO THIS MEETING CAN BE PRODUCTIVE.
LET US ALSO BE EFFECTIVE AND DECISIVE.
WE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES.
MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES, SECOND
[4. Approval of Minutes]
AND MOTION AND PROPERLY SECONDED.WE APPROVED THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING.
WE NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR THE SYSTEM COMMENT PERIOD OR ANYTHING.
THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WISH TO SAY, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
[5. Citizen Comment Period]
AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES SEEING NO ONE WHERE CLOSED THE CITIZEN COMMENTS.YOU STATED THAT NOTHING ON THE AGENDA YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK AT.
IF THE ITEMS ON THE, ON THE AGENDA, IF IT'S ON THE AGENDA, WE DON'T SPEAK YET.
WE CLOSED THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
MS. PARKER HAS ANY REQUESTS TO DIFFERENT FOR ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES? NO, SIR.
[6. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions, or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings]
OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS IN DISTRICT ONE, OUR Z 20 21 11 APPLICATION[7. Public Hearing Items]
BY DANNY AND MADISON QUEENSBURY REQUESTING A REZONING 22.82 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL GENERAL, A ONE[1. District 1 - RZ-2021-00011 - Application by Danny and Madison Queensberry]
TWO RESIDENTIAL RURAL RR WITH PROPER CONDITIONS AT 30 36 DAVIS MILL ROAD ON TAX MAP NUMBER 18 4 0 3 0.THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS WHIRL ENHANCEMENT.
AND THERE WAS THE COMMISSION, TOM COLEMAN PRINCIPAL PLANNER.
THAT IS MS. PARK INDICATED THIS IS A REZONING CAT CASE MAKERS, UH, TO CREATE A FOUR LOSS SUBDIVISION.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED AGRICULTURALLY AND SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREAS IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN.
UM, LOOKING AT THE, UH, ERA PHOTO OF THE AREA, IT'S SORT OF JUST THIS AREA DOES REFLECTS WHATEVER, RURAL RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER, UM, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO HIS PROPERTY.
UM, WITH THIS PROPERTY, THE PARENT TRACKED HIS OWN AGRICULTURALLY.
ALL THE BUY-RITE SUBJECTS AND SPLITS HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO THE PARENT TRACK.
THEREFORE THEY DO NEED TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO FILE THE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION SYNDICATED EARLIER.
THE APPLICANT OWNS THE 22.8 ACRE PARCEL.
UH, IT, IT DOES INCLUDE ONE DWELLING AND SEVERAL OUTBUILDINGS, UH, WITH APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION, THEY WOULD, UH, CREATE A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.
A ONE LOT WOULD BE FOR THE EXISTING DWELLING.
PLUS IT'D BE THREE NEW BUILDING LOTS.
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UM, THEY ARE, OUR DISTRICT REQUIRES MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF FIVE ACRES.UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED TO PROHIBIT ANY FURTHER SUBDIVISIONS AND THE CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL APPLIES TO THE FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.
THERE WAS ONE, UH, SORT OF OUTSTANDING CONCERN OR MATING WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, THE DRIVEWAYS ARE CONFIGURED TO NOT CONSTRUCT A PRIVATE ROAD, UM, AND AS PROPOSED THAT, UM, THAT EASEMENT WOULD, UH, TRAVERSE LOT TO, UM, NOT TO IS NOT ALLOWED TO USE THAT EASEMENT, UM, SO THAT THEREFORE PLACES AND ENCUMBRANCE UPON LOT TO THE LAW YOU CANNOT USE.
UM, AND IT ALSO WOULD, UH, PROVIDE SOME MAINTENANCE ISSUES IF THAT EASEMENT'S NOT BEING MAINTAINED BY THE OTHER, OTHER, THE UTILIZERS OF THE EASEMENT.
AND ALSO, UM, HAVING THE MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS, UM, PRODUCES A HIGHER NUMBER OF ENTRANCES ON THE DAVIS MILL ROAD.
AND, UH, IF THEY WERE JUST DUE TO INSTALL THAT PRIVATE ROAD, THEN THERE WOULD BE FEWER, UM, ENTRANCES ON THE DAVIS MILL HEAD.
THIS IS A EXCEPTIONAL PLAN, UM, SUBMITTED BY THAT, BUT I DID ADD SOME GRAPHICS OR GRAPHICS TO IT JUST TO HELP EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, IT'S JUST SHOW THE, THE FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION, UM, HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, UM, IS THE, THE LOT THAT WOULD BE CREATED WITH ASSESSING HOUSE AND THAT BLUE HOUSE ON THERE IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING DWELLING.
SO THEN THERE'D BE THE 3D BUILDING.
I ASKED PROPOSED LOTS OF ONE AND TWO WITH SHARED DRIVEWAY ACCESS AND LOTS THREE AND FOUR, UM, WHICH SHARED DRIVEWAY ACCESS.
UM, SO, UH, IF THEY WERE TO PROVIDE A PRIVATE ROAD TO SERVE ALL FOUR LOTS, THAT WOULD, AS I SAID EARLIER, MINIMIZE THE ENTRANCE IS ON THE DAVIS MILL ROAD AND ELIMINATE THAT EASEMENT ACCESS ACROSS LOT TO, UH, THE CAPRA'S IMPACT MODEL APPLIES.
AND THE AHA APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A PROFFER TO TRUST THEIR CAPITAL IMPACTS.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD IN OCTOBER, UH, MR. MEYERS, AND TWO NEIGHBORS ATTENDED, UH, AT THAT TIME, THE NEIGHBORS EXPRESS NO ISSUES OR CONCERNS WITH THE APPLICATION AND THE APPLICANT DID SPEND SOME PROFITS WITH THIS CASE.
UM, THE FIRST ONE WOULD, UH, REQUIRE THEM TO GENERALLY HEAR THE EXCEPTIONAL PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED WITH THEIR APPLICATION.
UH, THE SECOND ONE DOES REQUIRE THE CASH PROFFER.
THE THIRD ONE WOULD LIMIT THEM TO NEW MORE THAN FOUR LOTS, UM, NOT FOUR, UM, WOULD REGULATE THEIR PROPOSED ACCESS, WHICH WOULD BE LOTS OF ONE.
AND TWO WOULD SHARE A DRIVEWAY AND LOTS THREE AND FOUR, WHICH AIR DRIVEWAY.
AND THEY HAVE ALSO OFFERED TO PROVIDE A 30 FOOT NATURAL BUFFER ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF LOT ONE, UM, THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER TO JUST TO THE WEST OF THEM.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, REGARDING, UH, A LOT, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN EASEMENT, THE LARGER, I GUESS, OF THE TWO DRIVEWAYS.
IS THERE A WAY THAT, UM, WOULD IT, WOULD, WAS THERE A BETTER SOLUTION FOR THAT OTHER THAN IT BEING, UH, UH, OUTSIDE OF BEING A PRIVATE ROAD, COULD YOU DO PERFORM A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT FOR LOT THREE LOT FOUR, TWO.
THEY, UM, WE ALLOW A DRIVEWAY TO SERVE TWO LOTS, SO TO SERVE THREE LOTS, IT WOULD REQUIRE PRIVATE ROAD AND THE PRIVATE ROAD IS A HIGHER STANDARD.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE, THE COMPACTION OF THE GRAVEL, IT'S A HIGHER STANDARD THAN A DRIVEWAY.
SO I DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONLY ALTERNATIVES WOULD BE TO SOMETHING COMPARABLE TO WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED OR TO PROVIDE A DRIVEWAY, A PRIVATE ROAD THAT WOULD SERVE OFF FOUR LOTS, EITHER ONE WOULD WORK AND STAFF THINKS THERE'S A BENEFIT TO HAVING THE PRIVATE RATE IN THIS SITUATION.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD? SO I'M KIND OF, AND AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOU DANNY QUEENSBURY.
I HAVE THE PROPERTY ADDRESS, 30, 36 DAVIS SMELL.
OH, SO MY REASON THAT THE PROPHET DRIVEWAY REALLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, I CAN FIND IT REAL QUICK.
SO WHEN YOU COME THROUGH YOUR LOT TO THE DRIVEWAY IS STILL GOING TO BE THERE NO MATTER WHAT, IF YOU MAKE IT A PRIVATE ROAD.
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO EAT EVEN MORE, A LOT TOO, BECAUSE THE 50 FOOT IS GOING TO GO EVEN MORE INTO THAT.
THEN YOU'RE GOING TO COME ACROSS THE BOTTOM A LOT, THREE EATING UP EVEN MORE, A LOT TOO.
AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO BASICALLY BE THE SAME THING, BECAUSE NOW THAT'S GOING TO BE AN EASEMENT COMING OFF OF A PRIVATE ROAD UNITED GO OVER IT A LOT ONE.
SO I DON'T REALLY SEE WHERE YOU'RE GAINING, NOT DIMENSION.
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COME, WHEN YOU COME BETWEEN TWO AND THREE, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A CREEK BOTTOM.SO I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE IT MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO DO THE PROPER ROAD.
I THINK THAT THIS IS FINE BECAUSE THE WAY THAT IT'S LAID OUT ON THERE, WHERE ONE AND TWO ARE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S ALREADY BRINGING THAT SOUND AN OLD ROAD.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A HUNDRED YEARS OR ROCKING, SO EVERYTHING THAT'S LAID OUT, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY ON THIS AS EXACTLY, I MEAN, THERE'S ACTUALLY A RIGHT BED.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CURRENTLY TO DO A PRIVATE ROAD.
I JUST SEEMS LIKE HE'D BEATEN UP A LOT, A LOT TO, TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY, ALL I HAD WAS JUST ABOUT THE PRODUCT, RIGHT? AND NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I LIVE AT 33 54 GRIFFITH LANE, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THEIR MEETING EARLIER THIS YEAR, ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND AND MY MOTHER.
SO SHE ALSO HAS ANOTHER PROPERTY AT 33 50.
I BELIEVE SHE'S ADDRESSED YOU IN AN EMAIL ALMOST 19 YEARS AGO.
MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY WHEATS WORLD SELECTING A PROPERTY.
HE WAS THE NEW FIRE CHIEF HERE, AND WE LOOKED FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS QUIET SECLUDED.
AND WE FOUND THAT IDEA, ALEC PROPERTY THERE.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A MINIMUM IMPACT UPON OUR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE HAD A SMALL IN MIND, WE'VE RAISED OUR CHILDREN.
UNFORTUNATELY, OUR QUIET WAS DISPELLED ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND WE STARTED HAVING A LOT OF NOISE COMPLAINTS.
UM, NEIGHBORS HAD TO CALL THE DEPUTIES AND MANY TIMES THERE WAS, UM, A NEW NEIGHBOR THAT WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH.
THE NOISE WAS SHOOTING TILL LATE AT NIGHT, UM, TANNER NIGHTS EXPLOSIONS, AND THAT DISRUPTED OUR COMMUNITY.
THERE, WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IF WE BRING IN MORE HOUSES AT THIS POINT, NOT ONLY FOR THE NOISE, BUT ALSO DUE TO OUR AQUIFER, WE ARE SMALL FARM.
WE'VE HAD WATER TABLE PROBLEMS IN THE PAST YEARS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS NOT IMPACTED.
WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO DRILL ANOTHER DEEP, WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE.
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR WATERSHED.
WHEN LOOKING AT THE MAP, WE HAVE THE POND THAT ALL OF THIS LAND FLOWS DOWN INTO.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS PROPERLY MAINTAINED.
WE DO NOT WANT OUR WATERSHED, WHICH IS WE'RE PART OF THE CHESAPEAKE BAY WATERSHED.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOOD STEWARDS OF THAT.
AND ANOTHER PART THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A, UM, IDYLLIC SETTING MAINTAINED HERE.
WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
WE WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND HIS MEETING.
WE WERE OUT OF TOWN AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES TO HAVE THESE CONCERNS.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THAT TONIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC HEARING I SUPPOSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A ROAD MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD ACROSS TWO, YOU WOULD THINK THERE WOULD NEED TO BE, IS IT TO BE SOME KIND OF A ROAD AGREEMENT? I CAN START WITH THIS QUESTION BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR, THIS ROAD, IT GOES ACROSS, LIKE TO ASSUMING IT WILL BE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD AT ANY TYPE OF EASEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S A PROPERTY OR PRIVATE, RIGHT.
OR MAYBE MR. COLEMAN, TURN ON YOUR MIC.
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IT'S AN EASEMENT OR IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, WHOEVER'S BENEFITS FROM THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE, BE SOME KIND OF MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THEM AND THESE WOODED LOTS ONLY BETWEEN THE LOTS THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM THE EASTMAN AS A WAY TO ADDRESS THE WATER ISSUE, WILL THE APPLICANT NEED TO GET APPROVED FOR SEPTIC AND CORRECT? UH, THE WELL AND ASEPTIC SYSTEM WOULD EACH HAVE TO BE PERMITTED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.THAT'S THAT'S NOT BEEN DONE YET.
UM, I DO DIFFER AND I HAVEN'T DONE IT YET.
YOU'RE ONE OF THE CONCERNS YOU STATED IN YOUR PRESENTATION WAS THAT THE, THE ROAD COMING ACROSS TO TWO TO THREE AND FOUR, THE PROBLEM WAS THAT TWO HAD NO ACCESS TO THAT ROAD.
CRAIG, IF IT'S A, AN EASEMENT, THE SERVES THREE AND FOUR, UM, TWO WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT, CORRECT.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE AN EASEMENT THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM.
THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE, AND THEY WOULD BE PART OF THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD.
WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE WIDTH OF THAT EASEMENT.
NOW WE'RE T WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE 50 FEET EITHER WAY.
THE DRIVEWAY HAS MINIMAL STANDARDS.
UM, THE PRIVATE VETERAN'S GOING TO HAVE MORE STANDARDS EITHER WAY.
SO YOU'RE NOT TAKING ANY MORE PROPERTY FROM TWO, WE'RE JUST TREATING IT.
WE'RE RAISING THE COST OF CORRECT HOW THE EASEMENT IS TREATED IS DIFFERENT THAN HOW PRIVATE REGISTRY AND IT WOULD NOT BE A STATE STANDARD, CORRECT? NO, THERE, THEY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO BUILD A STATE.
NO, IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE A PAVED ROAD.
SO, BUT JUST A PRIVATE WITH A MAINTENANCE, RIGHT.
IT HAS TO BE A GRAVEL HAS BE COMPACTED SO THAT A FIRE RESCUE EQUIPMENT COULD TRAVERSE IT, UH, HAS A POSITIVE DRAINAGE.
SO THOSE TYPES OF STANDARDS FOR PRIVATE ROAD OR ABOVE WHAT A DRIVEWAY WOULD BE REQUIRED, THAT'S 20 FEET SURFACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 20 FOOT GRAVEL, MINIMUM, 20 FOOT WIDE GRAVEL, AND DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN THERE WOULD BE A PLAN, UH, EROSION AND SEDIMENT PLAN WHERE A REGULAR ROAD, IT WOULD NOT BE ONE, RIGHT.
EITHER WAY THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET THEIR PERMITS FROM V DOT, UM, AS FAR AS WHETHER THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET THEIR STORMWATER, THAT, THAT, UM, IT FALLS UNDER HOW MUCH LAND DISTURBANCE, UM, UM, THEY DO.
IF THEY TRIP THAT THE CERTAIN LAND DISTURBANCE, THEN YES, THEY'D HAVE TO GET THE STORMWATER PERMIT OR THE WIRELESS PERMIT OR WHATEVER THEY CLICKABLE PARENTS ARE.
WE HAVE MENTIONED AGAIN, UH, WHAT SIR, UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES, LAT TWO WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT, TO THAT ROAD.
WELL, THE, UM, AS THEY PROPOSED EITHER WAY, THERE WOULD BE AN ACCESS THROUGH LOT TO.
UM, BUT AS I MENTIONED, IF IT'S A DRIVEWAY AS THEY'VE PROPOSED, UM, THE EASEMENT WOULD CROSS LOT TOO, BUT THEY WOULD NOT BENEFIT FROM IT.
SO THEY'D HAVE THIS ENCUMBRANCE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY COULD NOT BENEFIT FROM IT.
UM, IF IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, THEY STILL HAVE THE, THE STILL GONNA BE ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY OR ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THEY GET THE BENEFIT OF USING IT.
BECAUSE JUST CAN'T USE THE SAME DRIVEWAY, THEN IT AUTOMATED BY CODE.
SO THEY WOULD ACTUALLY CROSS AND THERE'S THE THIRD.
THEY WOULD ACTUALLY NEED TO PROHIBIT LOT TOO FROM USING THE ROAD NOW, WAS THAT ENFORCED? I MEAN THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, THE RESTRICTION.
AND I THINK WHAT YOU WERE ASKING IS THAT, THAT CAN'T BE CUT OFF AND MADE PART OF LOT THREE.
UM, IF IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, I GUESS THEY HAVE SOME OPTIONS ON HOW THEY DO THAT.
I GUESS IT COULD BE, IT COULD END UP BEING ITS OWN PARCEL.
SO IF THE PURCHASE OF LAT TO BUILD HIS HOUSE SAY, UM, IN THE, UM, UH, NEAR THERE NEAR THE REAL LOT NEAR THE LINE, OKAY.
HE PURCHASED IT AND, AND BUILT HIS HOUSE NEAR THE REALIGN.
YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT, UH, HE COULDN'T JUST PUT OUT ANOTHER LITTLE DRAB.
WE OFFER THAT OPEN THAT ROOM TO HIS HOUSE.
IF IT'S A DRIVEWAY, THEN THEY CAN ONLY BY CODE ONLY TWO LOTS CAN
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ACCESS A DRIVEWAY.SO IF THEY, IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES LOTS, THREE AND FOUR, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO LOTS THAT CAN ACCESS THE DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S A CODE PROVISION CODE RESTRICTION.
WELL, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT IF, IF, IF, IF THE OWNER OF LOT TWO BUILT HIS HOUSE SOMEWHERE NEAR THE, UM, NEAR THE CENTER OF IT, HE'D HAVE TO BILL AND HE'D HAVE TO DO ANOTHER DRIVEWAY.
UM, AS, AS THEY'VE PROPOSED, THEY WOULD SHARE A DRIVEWAY WITH LAJUAN.
SO IT WOULD BE A SHARED DRIVEWAY WITH LOT ONE AND TWO.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WAS A, A HAVE COUNTY FOUND THESE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS FOR THIS AMOUNT OF ROAD WORK HAD FORCED.
I MEAN, ONLY WAY I CAN ANSWER THAT AND SAY FROM TIME TO TIME, WE DO GET CALLS WHERE MAYBE EVERYONE'S NOT PARTICIPATING EQUALLY, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE PRIVATE AGREEMENTS AMONGST THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, UM, UH, SUPPORT WE CAN PROVIDE THEM.
UM, SO IT'S THREE LIVE THREE TO SATURDAY.
THEY NEED TO RE GRAVEL THE ROAD AND FOUR DOESN'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT.
BUT THAT'S THE SAME, WHETHER IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD OR DRIVEWAY, CORRECT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IF IT'S NOT A STATE ROAD AT, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THAT AGREEMENT WITH PRIVATE ROAD, YOU'RE TYPICALLY GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE OR MORE GOING TO MORE PARTICIPANTS, CORRECT.
OR PEOPLE USING IT, OR PEOPLE SHARING THE EXPENSE.
THE INITIAL BILL IS MORE ROBUST, CORRECT? YES.
ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, DON.
WE'VE BEEN MOTIONED AND PROPERLY.
ALL OPPOSED I SAY THE NEXT CASE TONIGHT IS IN DISTRICT ONE, OUR Z 20 21 0 0 0 0 9.
APPLICATION BY REDSIN COMPANIES REQUESTING A REZONING
[2. District 1 - RZ-2021-00009 - Application by Rhetson Companies, Inc. requesting]
OF 3.5, ONE ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL GENERAL AWAN AND BUSINESS GENERAL TO BUSINESS GENERAL WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF RIVER ROAD, WEST, APPROXIMATELY 300 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION OF PAINTSVILLE FIVE AND RIVER ROAD WEST ON TAX MAP, NUMBER 26 3 0 1 0.THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS COMMERCIAL.
UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, MARIE CASH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS REZONING CASE BEFORE US TONIGHT IS ONE THAT'S BEEN HERE BEFORE YOU, UM, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT.
UH, IT'S LOCATED GENERALLY IN THE WEST, THE SOUTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
UH, IT WAS A SPLIT ZONE PROPERTY CURRENTLY, UH, A ONE AND B ONE.
UH, THIS B ONE AREA IS SOMETHING THAT WAS REZONED LONG AGO IN THE INITIAL, UM, JENNY AND ORDINANCE FOR THE COUNTY, UH, AND THE, UM, PROPERTY.
UM, AGAIN, UM, IS ADJACENT, IS AGRICULTURAL SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, UM, AGRICULTURAL, EXCEPT FOR THE COMMERCIAL POD.
THAT'S GENERALLY LOCATED AROUND THE INTERSECTION OF RIVER ROAD WEST AND HAYDEN'S FIELD FIVE ROAD.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES CALL FOR THIS AREA TO BE COMMERCIAL.
UM, CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IS VACANT.
THERE LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A TRAILER OR SOME SORT OF, UM, TEMPORARY STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN ON THERE.
IT IS ADJACENT TO, UM, A FORM OF TRANSMISSION SHOP THAT WAS, UM, UH, PART OF THIS ORIGINAL, UM, OWNERSHIP OF THIS PROPERTY.
SO AGAIN, IT'S A REZONING FROM AGRICULTURE, A ONE, TWO BUSINESS GENERAL BEING ONE, UM, WITH PROPER CONDITIONS.
UH, THIS WAS DEFERRED IN OCTOBER BY THIS BODY, UM, TO THIS HEARING DATE, UH, THE PROFFERS DO INCLUDE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO PICK THE SITE LAYOUT AND ACCESS.
THE PROFFERS ALSO LIMIT THE USES ON THE PROPERTY TO A RETAIL STORE, OFFICE PROFESSIONAL OR OFFICE MEDICAL VIRUS OPERATION.
I'VE BEEN LIMITED TO 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT, UM, ELEVATIONS AND BUILDING, UH, FOR BOTH THE BUILDING AND THE DUMPSTER HAVE ENCLOSURE BEEN PROVIDED.
SO SOME OF THE PREVIOUS CONCERNS THAT CAME UP IN, UH, THE LAST HEARING WAS THEY HAD THE APPLICANT HAD PROVIDED AT THAT TIME TWO SEPARATE CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
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THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT WHAT THE ACCESS OFF OF RIVER ROAD WEST WAS REALLY GOING TO BE.UM, THEY'VE ADDRESSED THAT WITH ONE PLAN.
NOW, THERE WAS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE MANEUVERABILITY ON SITE FOR NOT ONLY LOADING VEHICLES OR ATTRACTED TRAILERS COMING FORWARD, THE APPLICANT, BUT ALSO HOW FIRE RESCUE CAN NAVIGATE ON THE SITE.
UM, THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED WITH AN IMPROVED LAYOUT.
UM, THEY'VE ACTUALLY PROVIDED, UH, DOCUMENTATION PART OF THEIR PLAN TO THE COUNTY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THAT MANEUVERABILITY IS POSSIBLE AND THE NEW DESIGN.
UM, THERE'S ALSO ELEVATIONS PREVIOUSLY THE PROFFER LANGUAGE, UH, REALLY WEIGHED TO A POTENTIAL ABOUT HOW, UM, THE, LET'S SAY THE HIGHER QUALITY MATERIALS OF THE PROPERTY OR THE, OF THE BUILDING WOULD FACE PUBLIC AREAS OR PUBLIC ROAD.
AND IT WAS UNSURETY BECAUSE WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE ABOUT HOW THE ROW THE BUILDING WAS GOING TO RELATE TO THE ROAD AT THAT TIME.
UM, THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED WITH THE PROFFER THAT DOES SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, BRICK, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO BRICK AS WELL AS SOME CEMENTITIOUS MATERIALS ON OFFICE SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
UM, AND PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS CONCERN AND WE KNOW THAT'S BEEN A CONCERN AGAIN FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY'RE ABOUT, UM, SPEED CONCERNS, LONG RIVER ROAD WEST.
UM, THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED WITH THIS APPLICATION, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT PERHAPS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS INVOLVED DIRECTLY WITH WHAT THE APPLICANTS PREPAYS TO DO FOR THIS AREA.
UM, THEY HAVE ADDRESSED THE DAD'S CONCERN, UM, ABOUT ACCESS AND ALSO, UM, THE SPEED STUDY RECOMMENDATION FROM BEING NOT AT THAT PREVIOUSLY DID NOT ADDRESS THE CHANGE.
UM, SO A LITTLE BIT OF SITE PLAN HERE.
UM, THAT'S BEEN UPDATED THE, THE FRONT USE, UM, WHICH IS ABOUT 2.1, THREE ACRES IS PROPOSED TO BE A DOLLAR GENERAL, UM, UH, ABOUT 10,640 SQUARE FEET STORE.
UM, WHAT'S IMPROVED HERE IS SHOWING THE JOINT ACCESS, UM, ON TWO RIVER ROAD WEST, UH, THE REAR USER, UM, PREVIOUS PLAN DID SHOW A USE IN A POTENTIAL LAYOUT OF THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY OR THE REAR PROPERTY USE THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
UM, WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE OF THE POTENTIAL LOCATION.
THERE'S NOT A USER IDENTIFIED.
UM, IT WAS REALLY DECEPTIVE AND TO SHOW THAT, UM, EXISTING POTENTIAL, UM, USE BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ANALYZED.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUT FORWARD THE, THE, UM, EXPECTATION THAT IT WOULD LAY OUT THE WAY THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THERE'S ALSO A 30 FOOT BUFFER ORDINANCE STANDARD, UM, THAT GOES AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE AGRICULTURALS.
AND THE PLAN DOES ADDRESS RESTORATION OF THE BUFFER WHERE THE POTENTIAL ACCESS SEES THAT NEEDS TO GO.
SO FROM SINCE OCTOBER THEY HAVE ACCESS AND THE ACCESS HAS MOVED JUST SLIGHTLY EAST TOWARDS THE AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY TO THE EASTERN SIDE.
UM, IT'S REVISED TO ADDRESS BOTH THE ONE SITE CONCERNS OF STAFF AND THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT CONCERNS THAT THE, THAT, AND, UM, COUNTY STAFF, UM, THEY WILL HAVE TO DO THE CONNECTIONS TO BOTH ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THEY WILL NEED TO, UM, REMOVE THE EXISTING ACCESS THAT GOES INTO THE TRANSMISSION SHOP THERE.
UM, THEY WILL HAVE TO BUILD BASICALLY UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT ACCESS, SO THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT CURRENTLY AGRICULTURE PIECE WOULD ACCESS VIA THAT AS WELL.
THAT'S PART OF THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT CONDITIONS FROM THE DOT AND THE COUNTY WILL ACTUALLY LOOK TO ENFORCE HIS CONDITION AS WELL, TOM A POD.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE LAYOUT AND ACCESS CHANGE HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED TO PROVIDE BETTER FIRE AND LARGE TRUCK ACCESS ON SITE, THE REVISE PROFFERS, UM, WHICH WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND ARE UP ON THE SCREEN, DO SHOW GENERALLY A BRICK FOUNDATION ALONG THE BUILDING WITH CEMENTITIOUS MATERIALS, UM, UH, MOST OF THE SIDES.
UM, SO BASICALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER QUALITY MATERIAL AS FAR AS DURABILITY, UM, POTENTIALLY, UM, THEY DO MATCH THE PROFFER, UH, BEFORE THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSING ABOUT THE PROPER LANGUAGE AND THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDE, UM, ALSO A DUMPSTER SCREENING, UM, THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OFFER FROM THE APPLICANT FOR THAT.
SO COMEDIAN MEETING WAS HELD BACK IN AUGUST, SEEMS LIKE LONG TIME AGO, UM, THAT, UH, SUPERVISOR ALASKA THAT, UM, ATTENDED AS WELL AS TWO RESIDENTS AND THREE BUSINESS OWNERS FROM THE AREA.
UM, AS WE TALKED ABOUT FOUR OF THE CONCERNS REALLY RELATED TO TRAFFIC CONGESTION SPEED LIMITS, HOW THE ACCESS WAS GOING TO OCCUR SITE ISSUES ABOUT RUNOFF, UM, RESIDUAL OIL FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, UM, THE USE OF THE REAR PROPERTY, UM, PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND BUFFERS AND THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
UM, THERE ALSO WAS CONCERNED FROM NEIGHBORING BUSINESS ABOUT THE SIZE AND LAYOUT OF THE STORE AND REALLY WHAT ITEMS WERE PROPOSED AS WELL AS HOURS OF OPERATION.
UM, THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE PROFFERS, UM, TO INCLUDE HOURS OF OPERATION, A SITE DESIGN AND REMOVAL OF PREVIOUS SHOES, LIMITATION OF USE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THESE ARE BLACK LAND PROFFERS THAT ARE BASED UPON WHAT YOU PREVIOUSLY SAW IN OCTOBER.
AGAIN, A REVISED REZONING EXHIBIT HAS COME FORWARD.
UM, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN IS CLEARED UP THE USE OF THE MATERIALS AND HOW THE BUILDING, UM, FACADES WILL
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RELATE.UM, AND THEN THE BUSINESS LIMITATION OF HOURS OF OPERATION AND THE LIMITATION ON USES.
UM, AGAIN, AS USUAL STAFF IS HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IS PRESENT AS WELL.
I SEE THEY'RE DOING AWAY WITH THE ENTRANCE CURRENT EXISTING ENTRANCE INTO THE TRANSMISSION PROPERTY ON TO RIVER WEST.
HOW ABOUT THE ENTRANCE ON TO HAYESVILLE? SO THAT'S NOT PROPOSED TO ME REMOVED.
IT'S NOT PART OF THIS, THIS APPLICATION, THERE'S TWO SETS.
THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES, UH, DISSATISFIED THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT ON RIVER ROAD WEST THAT NEEDED TO BE REMOVED.
UM, THAT HAYNESVILLE WEST ACCESS IS AN EXISTING ONE AND IT WOULD PROBABLY, IT WOULD REALLY ANALYZE IT SHOULD THE PROPERTY REDEVELOP, OR WE LOOK FOR AN ADJACENT USE TO THE NORTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S NOT BEING SHOWN TO BE DEVELOPED AT THIS TIME.
THAT WILL BE LEFT AS IS FOR THE TIME FOR THE TIME BEING RIGHT.
UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS A WASTE OIL COMING FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHAT, UH, UH, UM, YEAH, IT WAS A TRANSMISSION SHOP.
I THINK IT'S CURRENTLY STILL VACANT AT THIS TIME.
THEY HAVE SOME GUIDELINES TO CONTROL WEIGHT.
THERE SHOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WAS A CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY.
I AM UNAWARE OF, OF ANY, UM, ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORM OF COMPLAINTS ON THAT.
IF OTHER STAFF MAY BE AWARE OF THAT, WE SHOULD ASSUME THAT'S UNDER CONTROL.
UM, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE UNAWARE OF INFORMATION, RIGHT? WE'RE UNAWARE OF ANY, ANY VIOLATIONS WHAT'S YOUR SPENDING LIMIT.
55, 4 45 ON THE HAYNESVILLE FLIGHT SECTION THAT GOES OUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
THE APPLICANT HAVE A PRESENTATION, SOMETHING THEY WANT TO BRING UP OR GOOD.
AND YOU MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND I'M CARY HUTCHERSON HERE FOR THE APPLICANT.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I REITERATE WHAT MR. CASSIUS VERY GOOD PRESENTATION SAID.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD A FEW THINGS TO WORK ON FROM LAST TIME WE GOT WITH STAFF RIGHT AFTER THAT MEETING, WE MET WITH VITA AND GOT OUR ACCESS MANAGEMENT WAIVER APPROVED, UH, SO THAT WE COULD COME BACK BEFORE Y'ALL HERE IN DECEMBER WITH A CLEAN CASE.
I THINK YOU HAVE THAT TONIGHT.
UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU HAVE MY WHOLE TEAM HERE WITH ME.
I'LL JUST RESERVE MY TIME FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS LATER AND NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I LIVE AT 2356 HAYDENVILLE FIVE ROAD, MY PROPERTY BORDERS, THE PROPOSED, UM, REZONED PROPERTY.
UM, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE SOME OF THE ISSUES I HAD WITH THIS BEFORE.
LAST TIME WHEN I SPOKE AT THE OCTOBER MEETING, UM, FIRST I QUESTIONED THE TRUE NEED FOR A DOLLAR GENERAL IN THIS AREA.
UM, THERE'S A, ANOTHER DOLLAR GENERAL WITHIN NINE MILES.
THERE'S A FOOD LINE WITHIN NINE MILES.
UM, SO I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR ANOTHER DOLLAR GENERAL IN THAT NEAR PROXIMITY.
THERE'S ALSO TWO OTHER DOLLAR GENERALS WITHIN 14 MILES TO THE, TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST.
UM, SO AGAIN, QUESTION THE NEED TO REZONE FOR THIS PURPOSE AT THE TIME AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND ALSO, UM, I FEEL PROVIDES, UH, UH, I'LL SAY AN UNFAIR COMPETITION FOR SOME OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS HERE IN THE AREA.
IT WILL COMPETE WITH, UH, THREE BUSINESSES RIGHT THERE IN THE AREA OF SELLING LIGHT GOODS.
UM, I DON'T SEE THE, AGAIN, THE NEED FOR THAT IN THIS AREA AT THIS TIME.
UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED ALREADY KIND OF A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION THERE WITH, UH, SPEED AND SIGHT LINES.
THIS WILL PROVIDE ANOTHER, I WOULD ASSUME BUSY, UH, ENTRANCE AND EXIT OFF OF RIVERS RIVER ROAD WEST, RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER STORES.
UH, I KNOW IT WAS THE ENTRANCE TO THIS PROXIMITY WAS TOO CLOSE TO HAYNESVILLE FIVE ROAD, BOTH BY GOOCHLAND STANDARDS AND V DOT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A WAIVER FROM BITA BASED ON THE PRESENTATION, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID BEFORE YOU DRIVE BY ANY OTHER DOLLAR GENERALS IN, IN RURAL AREAS, UH, THEY ARE GATHERING PLACES FOR LOTS OF PEOPLE.
UM, I KNOW IN CERTAIN OTHER AREAS WHERE I'M FROM, THEY, THEY TEND TO BREED CRIME BASED ON THAT GATHERING.
SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BEING ADJACENT TO MY PROPERTY AS WELL.
UM, AND AGAIN, AS I SAID, LAST TIME I WAS HERE.
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NOT WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF WHEN THEY THINK OF MOVING TO, OR LIVING IN WESTERN GUCCI OF HAVING LARGE RETAIL, CORPORATE OPERATIONS, UH, KIND OF IN THEIR BACKYARDS.SO, UM, JUST THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY, MY OBJECTIONS AND, UH, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
MY NAME IS BETSY WRIGHT AND I LIVE AT 3000 DAVIS MILL ROAD.
AND MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS TRAFFIC ON RIVER ROAD.
UM, THE SPEED LIMIT IS 55 PER HOUR.
THERE IS A CURVE, THERE ARE MORE AND MORE BIG TRUCKS USING THAT ROAD ALL THE TIME.
AND I FEEL LIKE LEAD OUT REALLY NEEDS TO REVISIT, UM, AT LEAST SPEED LIMITS.
SO ON THE IMPOSSIBLY, THE ENTRANCE TO THIS, UM, ESTABLISHMENT, IF IT'S APPROVED.
YOU ALL CAN COME FORWARD AND GETTING QUEUED UP HERE.
CAN WE, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, UM, MAP OF THE AREA, ACTUALLY THE PROCEEDING WHEN THE FIRST ONE YOU HAD UP THERE, IT HAD THE ZONING ON THERE.
CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? MY NAME IS JOHN CLAYTOR AND, UH, MY WIFE AND SON OWN A HOME.
AND, UH, WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? MY ADDRESS IS 94 9 DERBEYSHIRE ROAD IN HENRICO COUNTY.
NOW, UM, HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AND I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS AND RIGHT HERE, IT DESCRIBES THE PROPERTY AS BEING APPROXIMATELY 300 FEET FROM HAYNESVILLE PFEIFFER ROAD.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THAT MAP RIGHT THERE, IT'S ADJACENT TO HAZEL BY THROAT IS NOT 300 FEET AWAY.
THE ENTRANCE TO THAT STORE IS NOT 300 FEET AWAY.
THE ENTRANCE TO THAT STORE IS ON THE OUTSIDE OF A CURVE AT 55 MILES AN HOUR WITH A VERTICAL WITHIN THE TOP OF THE HILL.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT NIDA HAS TO SAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE OF AVITA TO REALIZE THAT THAT'S A DANGER TO PEOPLE PULLING IN PEOPLE DRIVING BY THE SPEED LIMIT IS 55.
I DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD GET PERMITTED TO PUT THAT STORE THERE UNTIL THEY REDUCED THE SPEED LIMIT AT THAT INTERSECTION IN THIS BUSINESS AREA.
MY NAME IS IRVIN PATEL, 52 63 ROAD WEST.
AS I MENTIONED ON MY LAST MEETING, I WENT THE BUSINESS NEXT DOOR AT THE GAS STATIONS.
AND I MEAN, THE DOLLAR GENERAL IS THE BIG CORPORATES AND YOU KNOW, I'M THE SMALL GUY CAN NOT ABLE TO COMPETE WITH HIM, YOU KNOW, SO I'M REQUESTING YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, HELP US TO STAY IN BUSINESS.
MY STORE IS LOCATED AT 5 2 8 1 RIVER ROAD WEST RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, THE, THE DOLLAR GENERAL AT THIS LOCATION, BECAUSE IT WILL HURT OUR SMALL BUSINESS.
FIRST OF ALL, UH, DOLLAR GENERAL CARRIES FROM THE HOUSEHOLD SUPPLIES TO PAPER PRODUCTS, TO GROCERIES AND EVEN CIGARETTES.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT SETS US APART FROM GAS STATION IS THE ALCOHOL BARRETT AND GAS, UH, WHICH IS ONLY 35 TO 40% OF OUR BUSINESS.
AND IN 29 STATES DOLLAR GENERAL SELLS ALCOHOL BEVERAGES.
I THINK IT WON'T BE LONG BEFORE IT STARTS SELLING ALCOHOL BEVERAGE IN VIRGINIA AS WELL.
UH, THE REAL EXAMPLE IS THAT I, ONE OF THE GAS STATIONS IN DEACON COUNTY AND IT WAS DOING IT VERY WELL UNTIL THE SOUND LEVEL CAME IN 2019 AND I'M ENJOYING A BIG LOSS SINCE THEN.
NOW THE INCOME COMING FROM MY GROCERY STORE RIGHT HERE IS GOING THE WHOLE LOSS AND ALSO TAKING CARE OF MY FAMILY.
SO IN SHORT, IF THE DOLLAR GENERAL COMES IN IN THIS LOCATION IS GOING TO HURT ALL THE SMALL BUSINESS, ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE? SHE AIN'T NO ONE ELSE, BUT WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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MY NAME'S JOHN CLAYTOR.I LIVE AT 2362 HAYNESVILLE FIVE ROAD I'M NEIGHBORS WITH MR. CHARLES PURVIS WHO SPOKE EARLIER.
UM, THEY JUST RECENTLY, LIKE HE SAID, THEY BUILT A HOUSE OUT IN WESTERN GOOCHLAND, PROBABLY WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A DOLLAR GENERAL IN THEIR BACKYARD.
UM, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, UM, UH, I THINK A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE MENTIONED THE LOG TRUCKS THAT, UM, FREQUENT HAYDENVILLE FIVE ROAD THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
YOU CAN SEE THAT TURN RIGHT THERE.
IF YOU'RE IN AN 18 WHEEL LOG TRUCK.
I MEAN, YOU'RE ALREADY COMING TO A PRETTY TIGHT STOP RIGHT THERE AS IT IS.
SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, AS WELL AS JUST THE, THE REGULAR CIVILIAN TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT TO THE AREA AS WELL AS COMPETING WITH, UM, LOCAL BUSINESSES.
UM, YEAH, I JUST SECOND THE, UH, THE DANGER OF THAT TURN RIGHT THERE, HAVING NO CHANGES TO THE EXIT THAT WOULD BE, UM, PUT OFF THERE ON HAYNESVILLE FIVE FRO.
UH, MY NAME IS PATRICIA CLAYTOR.
UH, MY SON AND I HAVE THE HOUSE AT 2362 HAYDENVILLE FIVE ROAD, BEAUTIFUL RURAL AREA THERE.
I HAD TO GO THROUGH SIX MONTHS OF, OF, UM, EFFORTS JUST TO GET MY MAILBOX MOVED BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED RURAL AND THAT'S WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO IT IS DEFINITELY CONSIDERED RURAL THE COMMUNITY AROUND THEIR BEAUTIFUL CORN FIELDS ACROSS THE STREET, JUST A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE.
UM, I DO, UH, AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY BEFORE THEY WOULD ALLOW A BUSINESS LIKE DOLLAR GENERAL TO BE BUILT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION, THAT FIRST WE NEED TO SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN, COMING INTO THE INTERSECTION AS THEY DO IT, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ON RIVER ROAD, UH, WHERE THEY SLOW IT DOWN WITHIN A MILE OR TWO OF THE, OF THE INTERSECTION TO A 45, AT LEAST.
AND THEN THAT, THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO START THE TRAFFIC CALMING BEFORE YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND DUMP, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MUCH TRAFFIC TO, TO AN ALREADY BUSY INTERSECTION.
THAT'S 55 MILES AN HOUR WITH A CURVE.
NOT ONLY IS IT AN INTERSECTION, IT IS AN INTERSECTION WITH A CONSIDERABLE CURVE THERE.
SO THAT'S, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT YOU CONSIDER BEFORE YOU GO AHEAD AND APPROVE A CHANGE IN ZONING.
SECOND OF ALL, IS THE COMMUNITY BEING A RURAL COMMUNITY, HAVING A DOLLAR GENERAL, THAT'S GOING TO BRING IN A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, NOT JUST FROM OUR AREA, MAYBE FROM ADJACENT AREAS.
AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE, AS, AS PREVIOUS PEOPLE HAVE STATED, THERE ARE SEVERAL WITHIN JUST A FEW MILES OF, OF, OF THAT INTERSECTION.
DO WE REALLY NEED THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS THERE? I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING THAT I REALLY APPRECIATED WHEN MY SON BOUGHT THIS HOUSE WAS THE FACT THAT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE, THE ESPECIALLY THE TWO GAS STATIONS, GAS STATION SLASH CONVENIENCE STORE, BECAUSE THEY REALLY ARE MORE CONVENIENT STORES AND THEY ARE GAS STATIONS.
SO I CAN EMPATHIZE WITH THEM THAT IT WOULD REALLY HURT THEIR BUSINESS TO, TO BRING IN A CONGLOMERATE LIKE DOLLAR GENERAL.
UM, BUT WHAT, WHAT I APPRECIATED ABOUT THOSE BUSINESSES IS THEY CLOSED DOWN AT EIGHT O'CLOCK.
UM, THE, THE TRAFFIC IS CALM AT THAT POINT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY PEACEFUL AND QUIET THERE.
YOU THINK YOU, THESE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROPOSING THIS PROBABLY DON'T LIVE NEXT DOOR TO, UH, TO OUR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
IT'S OPEN TILL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
I CAN'T IMAGINE HAVING A BUSINESS, UH, LIKE THAT OPEN UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT IN MY BACKYARD.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER.
THAT IS A HISTORICAL AREA THERE AT THOMAS JEFFERSON ROAD HAS HORSED DOWN RIVER ROAD.
WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE OF, OH, OKAY.
WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER THAT FACT AS WELL THAT THIS IS A HISTORIC AREA THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY TRAVELED TO COME IN AND VISIT.
I LIVE AT 3000 DAVIS MILL ROAD, AND I'M BASICALLY JUST KINDA, UH, UNDERLINE A LOT OF COMMENTS ALREADY MADE.
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AND SPEED, SPEED LIMIT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, BUT WHAT THE MAP DOES NOT SHOW IS THE ROUTE 45 INTERSECT WITH RIVER ROAD WEST FROM THE SOUTH.AND THAT'S ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, NOT UNUSUAL TO GET TO THAT INTERSECTION OF 45 AND RIVER ROAD.
IT HAD BEEN DEMOLISHED BY A HOUSE CAR THAT TOOK IT OUT.
AND I GOT TO ADMIT HAVING A DOLLAR GENERAL FIVE MILES AWAY WOULD BE MORE CONVENIENT THAN HAVING ONE SEVEN MILES AWAY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH IT.
AND I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR THE BUSINESSES.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ANYTHING IN, PUT IN A SMALL GROCERY, WE LIVE IN A FOOD DESERT THERE AND WORK FOR THE TWO EXISTING BUSINESSES.
IT WOULD BE A REAL DESERT, SO AT LEAST CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT LAND USED FOR SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE, UH, BENEFICIAL TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
ANYONE ELSE? WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS CASE.
I JUST WANT TO COVER THESE POINTS PRETTY QUICKLY.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, AS FAR AS THE SPEED LIMIT ON THE ROAD GOES, WE'D BE HAPPY TO JOIN IN WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND REQUESTING THE OUT LOOK AT LOWERING THAT SPEED.
THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE GREAT SOLUTION.
UM, ALSO IN TERMS OF OUR ENTRANCE AND HELPING TO MAKE THAT AREA SAFER UNTIL THE SPEED LIMIT IS LOWER OR WHATEVER ELSE HAS DONE TO HELP MAKE THAT ROAD SAFER.
OUR ENTRANCE HAS A QUITE WIDE APRON ALLOWS FOR CARS TO GET OFF QUICKLY INTO THE SITE.
UH, ALSO IS V DOT HAS ALREADY STUDIED THIS.
THEY'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT THE SAFETY CONCERNS IN DEPTH.
UH, THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF US GOING BACK AND GETTING THEM TO LOOK AT THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT, UM, UH, QUESTION AND, AND WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO PUT THAT ENTRANCE WOULD BE THE SAFE PLACE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT ANALYSIS.
UM, SOME PEOPLE MENTIONED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES BEING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEM.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN ON THE COMP PLAN RECOMMENDED FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
UM, AND IT'S AT THE, THERE'S ONLY TWO PLACES IN THE WHOLE WESTERN PART OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY WHERE COMMERCIALS RECOMMENDED THIS INTERSECTION AND THE ONE, UH, UH, PANES OF ALL FIVE ROAD.
IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO IT HERE, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE COMMERCIAL IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY, PEOPLE DO NEED THESE SERVICES.
THEY DO NEED PLACES WHERE THEY CAN GET EVERYDAY ITEMS SUCH AS WHAT WE HAVE AT DOLLAR GENERAL.
NOW THAT BRINGS ME TO THE OTHER POINT ABOUT, UH, PEOPLE BROUGHT UP A LOT OF POINTS ABOUT COMPETITION WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES.
UM, THE CONVENIENCE STORE FUEL STATION MODEL IS NOT A DIRECT COMPETITOR WITH THE DOLLAR GENERAL MODEL.
DOLLAR GENERAL HAS TONS OF MARKET DATA THAT THEY'VE DONE.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE TO FIND OUT WHO THEIR COMPETITORS ARE SO THEY CAN STAY IN BUSINESS.
AND SO THEY'VE LOOKED AT WHETHER THEY HAVE DIRECT COMPETITION WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE, FUEL STATION MODEL.
UM, AND IN FACT, I, I LIVE OVER NEAR MONTPELIER.
THERE'S A DOLLAR GENERAL, THERE THERE'S A FUEL STATION C STORE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
IT, IT WAS THERE BEFORE THE DOLLAR GENERAL.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE HURT TO ME AT ALL.
UH, SOME PEOPLE ALSO BROUGHT UP SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT CRIME, AGAIN, THAT MONTPELIER STORE I DRIVE BY IT ALL THE TIME.
I NEVER SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE CONGREGATING LOITERING IN THE PARKING LOT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEY ACTUALLY THE STORE, THEY KEEP IT REALLY NICE.
IT'S I MEAN, YOU'D GO BY THERE, DRIVE BY THERE AND LOOK YOURSELF.
UM, THE OTHER THING JUST ABOUT THE DIRECT COMPETITION, I KNOW THAT NOBODY LIKES A SCENARIO WHERE A SMALL BUSINESSES MIGHT BE FEELING A PINCH, BUT THE VIRGINIA SUPREME COURT SEVERAL YEARS AGO DECIDED A CASE IN WHICH A LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAD DECIDED THEIR ZONING CASE TO DENY A REZONING.
SO THEY COULD PROTECT LOCAL BUSINESSES FROM DIRECT COMPETITION.
AND THE VIRGINIA SUPREME COURT REVERSED THE LOCALITY ON THAT AND SAID, THAT'S NOT A VALID ZONING POWER.
SO ALTHOUGH YOU MIGHT LIKE TO, IT'S NOT WITHIN YOUR AUTHORITY.
UM, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE, THE FINAL POINT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE
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IS, AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE SPEED ON THE ROAD, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT ANY REQUESTS TO HAVE EAT OUT.LOOK AT LOWERING THE SPEED OF THAT ROAD.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? I DO, UM, V DOT FOR YOUR ACCESS AND SO FORTH.
SO DID YOU DISCUSS WITH THEM THE SPEED ON RIVER ROAD WEST? AND I'M GOING TO HAVE SETH OUR ENGINEER COME UP BECAUSE HE HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH V DOT MORE DIRECTLY THAN I HAVE.
ALLEGATION OF LOITERING PEOPLE AS AFFORDS, YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT AS A STORE.
DISPERSE PEOPLE FROM, OR PUT SOME SORT OF LIMIT ON HOW LONG THEY CAN LEADER OUTSIDE THE STORE.
THEY, THEY CAN HAVE SECURITY AT THEIR STORES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
ARE YOU PLANNING TO SELL ALCOHOL? LET ME ASK ALAN HERE.
UM, ALLEN KANGAROO, RATS AND COMPANIES, IF IT IS PERMITTED BY LOCAL ORDINANCE, THEN YES, WE DO.
SO I'LL CALL THEIR, UM, THEY, THEY WILL, IF IT, UNLESS IT'S A DRY COUNTY OR BY THAT, THEN MOST OF THE SOURCE OF STOCK ALCOHOL.
YEAH, I CAN, I CAN SPEAK ON THE VITA ISSUES.
SO, UM, SET THAT PERCENT WITH SOME IN ENGINEERING.
UM, SO WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH HARLEY JOSEPH WHO WAS FILLING IN FOR ROBERT BUTLER, HE'S OUT OF THE CHESTERFIELD RESIDENCY AND HE IS ACTING FOR THE RESIDENCY THAT ROBERT WAS IN.
UM, SO BASED ON THAT, WE LOOK AT, I BASICALLY, WE HAD TO SEND HIM ALL DATA.
WE HAD VDI TRAFFIC DATA, TRAFFIC COUNTS, THE SPEED LIMIT.
AND FROM THAT, WE LOOK AT THE INSURANCE, HE HAD TO SEE SIGHT DISTANCE DATA.
THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT SPEED LIMIT LOOKS AT YOU LOOK AT IS THE TURN LANE WARRANTED IS THE TRAFFIC ISSUES GOING TO CAUSE BOTTLENECKS ON THE ROAD.
SO WE LOOKED AT THE TURN ONTO THE LEFT ROAD.
I THINK IT'S CARTERSVILLE ROAD MADE SURE THERE WAS NO ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC.
NO ONE WAS GOING TO BE WAITING TO TURN ON THE CARTERSVILLE, TRYING TO GET INTO THE STORE.
THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY BOTTLENECKS THERE.
WE LOOKED AT SITE DISTANCE TO MAKE SURE WITH THE SPEED, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SITE DISTANCE.
UM, AND THAT INCLUDES GRADE TOO, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN SEE CARS WHEN YOU'RE PULLING OUT OF THE INSURANCE.
AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS THE SPACING GOES BY IMPROVING THE CONDITION.
SO WITH ALL THAT VEDA, THOSE ARE THE MAIN TRAFFIC SAFETY CONCERNS, AND THEY WERE GOOD TO GO WITH THAT.
THE OTHER QUESTIONS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT THAT THE FEASIBILITY WAS THAT DETERMINED DOLLAR GENERAL GOES THROUGH A SIGNIFICANT MARKET STUDY TO DETERMINE WHERE THERE IS DEMAND IN A COMMUNITY AND ALSO WHERE THE BEST ACCESS WOULD BE FOR VISIBILITY.
AND THEN THEY GO AND THEY GIVE MY CLIENT AND COMPANIES A LIST OF POTENTIAL SITES TO GO AND STUDY AND TRY TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE GOING TO BE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND THAT WOULD STRIKE THE SITE OR THEIR, THIS AND THAT ALL THE DUE DILIGENCE TYPE ITEMS THAT ANY DEVELOPER WOULD GO THROUGH.
BUT DOLLAR GENERAL GOES THROUGH AND DOES A MARKET STUDY FIRST TO LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S EVEN DEMAND THERE.
AND THIS SITE WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE THERE IS, AND THEN HE MAY SPEAK TO THAT.
UH, THEY, THEY HIT YOU AS A LIST EVERY YEAR OF WHAT THEY CALL STRATEGIC TARGETED AREAS.
I MEAN, THE EARLIEST IS BASICALLY A GOOGLE EARTH PEN.
THEY KNOW THEY, THEY SPEND MORE MONEY PROBABLY ON THAT THAN ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT WHERE THESE STORES SHOULD GO ARE BASED ON TRAFFIC, BASED ON DEMOGRAPHICS, BASED ON PROXIMITY TO LOCAL BUSINESSES.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A 15 YEAR LEASE WITH A 10 YEAR OPTION, YOU KNOW, SO YOU GOT A CAR OR YOU GOT AN OCCUPIED BUILDING FOR 15, PROBABLY 25 YEARS IN THIS LOCATION WITH THE CLIENT THAT'S GOING HERE.
I'M SORRY, YOU'RE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A CONTINUOUSLY OPERATING BUSINESS THERE FOR THAT LONG.
AND THEY, AND SO THEY TAKE PINPOINTING SERIOUSLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO INVEST THAT MUCH IN IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTION, ASK A QUESTION TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM DOLLAR GENERAL.
ONE IS, UM, ECONOMIC LIABILITY OF THIS, UH, UH, THAT'S A ROAD THAT I DON'T THINK WE CAN GO TO MEAN.
THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT WE DO.
THE MORE SUPERVISORS THAT THEY WANT TO TRY, THAT THEY CAN.
I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACCESS.
I DON'T KNOW, A 55 MILE AN HOUR SPEEDWAY.
UM, I GO THROUGH CROATIA ALL THE TIME AND THAT'S 45 MILES AN HOUR.
AND THE ONLY THING WE HAVE THERE IS BASICALLY A POST OFFICE IS NOT OPEN ON IT AT ALL ANYMORE.
WE'VE GOT A LITTLE CONVENIENCE STORE.
LIKE THESE GENTLEMAN HAVE ITS SERVICE STATION,
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CONVENIENCE STORE.UH, THE NORTH POLE USED TO BE THERE AND THAT'S GONE AND WE HAVE A USED CAR LOT AND IT DRAWS VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC AND, UH, I CAN SEE IT A DOLLAR GENERAL, UH, TRACTOR TRAILER PULLING OUT ON THE ROAD AND, UH, TRAFFIC COMING FROM TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
AND I, TO ME, THAT'S A SERIOUS, A SERIOUS PROBLEM WHERE THE ACCESS ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT, THE WAY IT IS, I'D MUCH RATHER SEE THE ACCESS SIDE ON THE HAYNESVILLE FIVE FIBRO THAT ON THE RUBBER ROAD.
UH, SO, UH, I'M NOT REALLY ECONOMICALLY, UH, NOT GOING TO TOUCH IT, BUT I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED THAT, THAT, UH, LOCATION AND THE ACCESS, UH, AND I WOULDN'T GO INTO IT ASSUMING THAT, UH, YOU CAN GET A GROUP TOGETHER AND GO DOWN AND TALK TO AND THEY GO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A VERY VIABLE WAY TO DO IT.
IF THE SPEED LIMIT WAS ALREADY LOWERED OR THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
WELL, TOM, I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS AND THE NEIGHBORS, BUT I'M BEAT OUT HERE IS TRAINING AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.
AND IF THEY DON'T SEE THEM PROBLEM, I JUST CAN'T SEE SECOND GUESSING THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO COUNTY SAID IN THEIR PRESENTATION IS THAT BE DOWN HERE, HAD DONE A STUDY YET.
AND, UM, AND ANOTHER THING I ALSO SHARE THE CONCERN OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS ABOUT, UH, ABOUT, UH, POSSIBLE COMPETITION.
BUT MS. JACKSON, YOU CAN CORRECT ME ON THIS IF I'M, IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE'S NO PROVISION FOR US TO PROTECT EXISTING BUSINESS BUSINESS FROM COMPETITION, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE DETERMINING WHETHER THIS IS A PROPER USE OF THE LAND BASED ON ZONING AND COMP PLAN AND, UM, GENERAL WELFARE, GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I THINK THAT THIS APPLICANT'S DONE A LOT OF, A LOT OF HARD WORK AND, UH, THEY WERE HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
THEY WENT BACK AND RE STUDIED THE ISSUES AND WE'VE GOT APPROVAL FROM BE DOT SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST CONCERN.
AND, UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE PASSED IT.
SO I RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SECOND.
IT'S BEEN MOTIONED IN PROPERLY SECOND.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THEN THE MOTION PASSES THREE TO THREE.
OUR NEXT ITEM IS IN DISTRICT THREE, CU 20 21 0 0 0 12 APPLICATION BY RIVER CITY FUNDING, LLC, REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNITS.
ON 1.353 ACRES AT 9 8 4 LEE ROAD ON TAX MAP, NUMBER 55 TO 0 1 0.
[3. District 3 - CU-2021-00012 - Application by River City Funding, LLC requesting]
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL LIMITED.OUR ONE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY'S ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15, 1 52 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15, 2 85, A THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT.
THANK YOU, MS. PARKER, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I'M JAMIE SHERRY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS APPLICATION IS FUNDING.
THEY ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY UNIT ON LEE ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
THE EXISTING ZONING, UH, IS RESIDENTIAL LIMITED AS ARE THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST AND THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST.
IT IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, EXCUSE ME, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THESE, THIS PROPERTY AS ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.
UH, THIS IS THE AERIAL, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS A CORNER LOT THAT FACES ON TO LEE ROAD.
UM, THE CORNER, UH, BUTTS RIVER ROAD WEST, UM, IN THE AREA, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY IS, UH, GROWN UP WITH, UM, UH, VEGETATION.
YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY DWELLING.
THERE IS ACTUALLY, AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE SITE PLAN AND EXISTING WORKSHOP, UM, WITHIN THAT, UM, THE TREED AREA.
SO IN FRONT OF YOU IS, UH, THE SITE PLAN, UH, THE, UH, THE CIRCLED, UH, BUILDING IN THE RED
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IS THE PRIMARY DWELLING.UH, THE BLUE SQUARE INDICATES WHERE THERE IS AN EXISTING WORKSHOP, UH, THE EXISTING WORKSHOP AND THE, UH, DWELLING, BOTH ACCESS THE PROPERTY, UH, FROM LEE ROAD AND SHARE A DRIVEWAY.
UH, THE PROPERTY HAS A HISTORY OF DISREPAIR AND CODE VIOLATIONS.
I DID MENTION, UH, IT WAS OVERGROWN AT ONE TIME.
UM, THE APPLICANT DOES INTEND TO RENOVATE BOTH BUILDINGS, TURNING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE INTO A SECOND DWELLING.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS AN INVESTOR AND DOES NOT PLAN TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY IS INDICATED THAT WHEN THEY SELL THE PROPERTY, WHEN THEY MARKET IT, THEY WILL BE MARKETING IT AS A, UM, AN IN LAW SUITE.
UM, SO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, UM, THE LOT IS 1.3, FIVE ACRES.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE PICTURES, UM, ON THE, ON THE SCREEN, UH, THE PRIMARY DWELLING IS A 2,400 SQUARE FOOT, A TWO-STORY HOUSE.
UM, THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS THE CINDER BLOCK BUILDING SHOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN IS A APPROXIMATELY 300, I MEAN, 533 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY, UH, WALK, UM, BUILDING.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE THIRD, UM, THIRD PICTURE, I KIND OF TOOK A PICTURE THAT SHOWS WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS AND THE, UH, APPROXIMATE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS AROUND, UH, 58 FEET.
UM, BOTH BUILDINGS, UM, MEET THE CURRENT SETBACKS FOR A PRIMARY DWELLING IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, SO THE USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE APPLICANT IS AN INVESTOR AND IS NOT PLANNING ON LIVING ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE USE IS LIMITED, UH, BY THE CONDITIONS, UM, AS YOU KNOW, UH, TRADITIONALLY THE, UH, FAMILY ONLY, AND THEY CANNOT BE RENTED SEPARATELY AND THERE IS OUR TRADITIONAL OR OUR STANDARD NOT TRADITIONAL OUR STANDARD CONDITION, UH, THAT DOES REQUIRE WHEN THE PROPERTY IS SOLD OR, UM, CHANGES HANDS.
THE, UM, COUNTY IS NOTIFIED AS WELL AS, UH, THE NEW OWNER OR TENANT OF THE CONDITIONS.
UM, THERE, THE CONCERN IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY WOULDN'T, THIS APPLICANT CA TYPE OF APPLICATION DOES COME IN.
IT IS SOMEBODY WHO LIVES ON THE PROPERTY THEN, YOU KNOW, SO THEY KNOW PERSONALLY THAT WHEN THEY SELL THE HOUSE, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO.
UH, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CONCERN, UM, UH, AND, AND HOW TO ADDRESS THAT A COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD BACK IN OCTOBER.
UH, TWO NEIGHBORS WERE IN ATTENDANCE.
INITIALLY, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING BEING USED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UM, AFTER LEARNING, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BOTH, UH, ATTENDEES DID, UH, RECOMMEND, UH, DID, DID EXPRESS CON UM, UH, SUPPORT FOR THE APPLICATION.
UH, STAFF DID RECEIVE ONE EMAIL OPPOSITION OF OPPOSITION OF THIS REQUEST.
UM, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, THESE ARE OUR STANDARD USES.
THE USE WOULD HAVE TO BE THE DETACHED FAMILY ASSESSORY HOUSING UNIT, UH, CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE LOCATION SHOWN ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE USE WOULD BE FOR FAMILY MEMBERS ONLY, AND THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY COULD NOT BE LEASED SEPARATELY.
A SMOKE DETECTOR AND CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTOR WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE INSTALLED AND MAINTAINED.
UM, ACCESS TO EMERGENCY VEHICLES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE MAINTAINED.
UH, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR, UM, APPLICATION HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE RECOMMENDED FOR FIVE YEARS.
SO THIS WOULD BE EXPIRING IN DECEMBER, 2026.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, THAT STANDARD, UM, TRANSFER OF LEASE OF OWNERSHIP, UM, WHICH REQUIRES THEM TO NOTIFY THE NEXT, UM, APP OCCUPANT OF THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE COUNTY OF THESE CONDITIONS.
THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE, UM, AS AN INVESTOR, UM, HE'S NOT LIVING OR SHE IS NOT LIVING ON THE PROPERTY.
HOW DO WE MONITOR THAT SALE PROCESS AND THEM LIVING UP TO THAT? YEAH, THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ON OUR END.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR, UM, WITH THE ATTACHED UNITS, WE DO HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT THAT WE DO REQUIRE THE, UM, THE, UM, THE, UH, WHEN THEY HAVE IN, IN THE LAST WEEK THAT'S ATTACHED.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS RECORDED, BUT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE CAUGHT, UM, UH, WOULD BE, UM, FOUND DURING A TITLE SEARCH.
IT'S MORE OF JUST LIKE A, AN EXTRA, UM, LEVEL OF PROTECTION.
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THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO IT.SO THEREFORE WE COULD ENFORCE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA TO ENFORCE.
THAT'S CURIOUS, IS THE OWNER GOING TO OPERATE OPERATED HIMSELF OR IS HE GOING TO JUST GET, GET THE CUP TO MAKE IT MORE MARKETABLE FOR SOMEBODY TO SELL TO SOMEONE ELSE? WELL, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT HE WOULD NOT BE LIVING THERE.
I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY KIND OF MANAGEMENT.
I THINK THEY WOULD BE MARKETING IT FOR SALE AS A, IN LOSS WEIGHT, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER QUESTION FOR HIM.
HAVE THE APPLICANT HAVE A PRESENTATION? UM, HE HAD ASKED ME TO, UH, PUT A COUPLE OF PHOTOS, UM, AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
HELLO, URBAN LAND SOLUTIONS, LLC.
I'M A DEVELOPER AND A GENERAL CONTRACTOR OUT OF HENRICO COUNTY.
UH, MY BUSINESS PARTNER IS GREG WITH, UH, RIVER SYDNEY FUNDING.
AND WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY.
UM, GREG BEING BEHIND THE SCENES AND I'M ON THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF IT.
I WANTED TO STRESS TO THE COUNTY AND ALSO TO THE BOARD THAT WHEN I DEVELOP A PIECE OF PROPERTY, I HAVE NO INTENT OF DEVELOPMENT FOR AN AIRBNB OR ANY TYPE OF RENTAL.
THAT BEING SAID, THE INTENT IS WHEN I DEVELOP IT, IS THAT ONCE WE SELL IT, THAT ANYTHING THAT'S PUT IN PLACE BY THE, UH, THE BOARD WILL STAY IN PLACE UP UNTIL I BELIEVE IT SAID 20, 26.
HOWEVER, I CAN'T GUARANTEE WHAT SOMEONE WILL DO WITH IT, BUT I NEVER DEVELOP A PROPERTY FOR RENTAL QUESTIONS.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO REBUILD THE EXISTING BUILDINGS TO WHAT WE SEE HERE? THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALREADY DONE SO FAR.
THIS IS, THIS HAS EXISTED BACK IN AUSTIN IS BEFORE GOD.
I'M STILL ABOUT ANOTHER 60 DAYS OF RENOVATION STRUCTURE WORK AND, UM, SEPTIC HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY.
THAT'S GOT ALL NEW, UH, THE ACTUAL BUILDING THAT'S IN QUESTION WAS BUILT IN 1940.
UH, MY INTENTION IS IT HAS NO KITCHEN, UM, WHICH IS ON THE, THE PLANS AND JUST TO DEVELOPED IT WHERE SOMEONE COULD USE IT FOR FUTURE, UM, FUTURE RESOURCES.
PEOPLE ARE MOVING BACK HOME, PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME, WHATEVER THE PARTICULAR FAMILY OR, UH, UH, CHILDREN WHO MAY BE MOVING BACK COULD USE IT FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE THEY NEEDED.
IS IT THE SAME SIZE AS IT WAS BEFORE? NO CHANGES.
THIS WAS, THIS WAS, YOU COULD NOT SEE THIS BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE BAMBOO FOREST.
AND IT TOOK SEVEN DAYS TO IT, JUST THROUGH THE PICTURES THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SEE IT, EVEN FROM YOUR AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY.
SO I HAD TO PROVE THAT THERE WAS A BUILDING ON SITE TO Y'ALL BECAUSE IT WASN'T, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS STATED ON THE PLANS AT THE SHOP OR THE WALKOUT BASEMENT, YOU STILL COULDN'T SEE IT.
TH THEY WILL BE USING THE SAME SEPTIC.
IT'S IT'S A, IT'S A TWO SYSTEM, UH, 1 1250 GALLON TANK, AND THEN A 1,750 GALLON TANK.
THIS IS SET UP FOR A ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH.
ANY OTHER QUESTION? THANK YOU.
WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES SEEING NO ONE WEEK CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.
I MOTION TO APPROVE THE AND APPROVAL SPEND MOTION AND PROBABLY SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR.
OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS TONIGHT IS AND DISTRICT FOR OUR Z 20 21 0 0 0 10
[4. District 4 - RZ-2021-00010 - Application by Markel - Eagle Advisors, LLC]
APPLICATION BY MARKEL EAGLE ADVISORS, LLC, REQUESTING A REZONING OF 72.98 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO AND RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.RPU D TWO RESIDENTIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
RPU D AN AGRICULTURAL LIMITED AID TO WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS
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AT THE SOUTHERN TERMINUS OF WICKER WOOL ROAD ON TAX MAP NUMBERS 58 5 0 2 0 AND A PORTION OF 58 1 0 93 0.THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL.
THANK YOU, MS. PARKER, GETTING IT AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A REZONING.
UH, THIS WAS DIFFERED FROM YOUR NOVEMBER MEETING, UM, PRIOR TO OPENING ANY HEARING.
UH, THE PROPOSAL IS REALLY LOCATED GENERALLY IN THE CENTERVILLE AREA.
IT'S IN THE, UH, NORTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY, UH, NEARLY AT J PRETTY CLOSE TO 2 88 AND BROAD.
UH, CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IS ZONED A TWO AS IS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH.
UH, RPD IS TO THE EAST, I'M SORRY TO THE WEST, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE LOCATION OF A READER'S BRANCH SUBDIVISION, UH, TO THE SOUTH.
UH, YOU ALSO HAVE AN RN, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONING, UH, WHICH IS THE RE ROAD AREA, THE GRAY AREA THAT SHOWS HERE ON THE MAP IS SHOWING ME THE RIGHT OF WAY OF 2 88.
UM, SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL IS WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION IS FOR THIS PROPERTY, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH IS DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL.
SO THE AREA OR PHOTOS PROVIDED HERE DOES HIGHLIGHT THE, UH, EXISTING PROPERTY IN RED.
I'M GOING TO TAKE A LOOK, A COUPLE OF THESE SLIDES AND SORT OF GO THROUGH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT SURROUNDED THE SORT OF SHOW, HOW THE PIECES FIT TOGETHER, UH, FOR THE FUTURE AS DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, DIRECTLY TO THE, UM, WEST IS READER'S BRANCH.
UM, UP TO THE NORTH IS, UM, VACANT PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE ACCESS THROUGH WIPRO READ TO TRY TO PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER, UH, SUPERIMPOSED, UM, UH, THE PROPOSAL.
UM, I WANT TO POINT OUT THE REASON IT CALLS FOR A PORTION OF THAT TAX MAP.
NUMBER 58 1 0 9 3 0 IS IT'S A PORTION OF, UM, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UH, IT'S A PROPORTION OF EXISTING READERS, BRANCH ZONING.
UM, THEY'RE REZONING IT TO GO WITH THIS CASE.
AND THEN PART OF THAT AS I'LL SHOW IN THE NEXT MAP, IT'LL, UM, THEY'LL HAVE TO BE A RECONFIGURATION OF THAT PORTION OF READER'S BRANCH FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A REZONING FROM EIGHT TO, UH, TO RPD, UH, 18 AND OUR PUD EXISTING, WHICH IS THE READER SPANISH PORTION, UH, TWO, A TWO, AND RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
UM, WE'VE UPDATED THE PROFFER SINCE THE STAFF REPORT STAFF TO, UH, PLACES ON THE DIAZ FOR HANDED TO YOU.
SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THEM, WE'LL WALK THROUGH WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE, UM, IN RELATION TO, UM, WHAT'S CHANGED IS WHAT THAT'S DONE TO THE CASE.
UH, THE SUMMARY, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COSTS FOR A MAXIMUM OF 122 UNITS.
THE DENSITY AT THE DEVELOPMENT IS 2.48 UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, IT WOULD MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THE AREA.
UM, THEY WERE CALLED FOR BOTH ATTACHED AND DETACHED UNITS.
UM, A MAXIMUM OF 32 OF THE UNITS THAT WOULD BE ATTACHED.
WE'LL SHOW THAT IN THE CON AND THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, SITE, THE ROAD ASB BUILT AS A TWO LANE ROAD AND A DEDICATED 100 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A ROAD THAT THE COUNTY ANTICIPATED, UM, IN OUR, IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING FOR THAT ROAD TO BE BUILT, UH, SITE DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WAS A CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD ACCESS VIA HOCKET ROAD.
THERE'S AN UPGRADED BUFFER, UM, UH, LOOK FROM OUR USUAL STANDARDS ALONG ROAD DAY AND THE WIPPER WILL ROAD TERMINUS.
YOU ALSO HAVE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES, SIDEWALKS, AND PROPHET ELEVATIONS.
SO THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN PUT FORWARD BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE BLUE ARROW GENERALLY UP ON THE TOP LEFT OF THE SCREEN IS THE AG IS THE LOCATION OF THE INTERCHANGE INTERSECTION WITH WIPRO WE'LL READ.
UM, SO PART OF THE ACCESS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL COME VIA WHAT RURAL ROAD THERE'S IMPROVED BUFFERS, A THAT ARE THERE IN TENANT TO BUFFER THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AS THE ROAD DESIGN WOULD PROBABLY END UP HAVING TO TAKE OUT TREES.
SO YOU WERE STILL KEEP THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS, UM, THE RED ARROW THAT'S IN THE LOWER LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE THE MANY AMENITIES THAT ARE PROFFERED WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, ARE LOCATED.
AND ALSO THE START OF WHAT'S CONSIDERED A PEDESTRIAN TRAIL.
THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND AROUND EVER UNTIL THE AGRICULTURAL PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE ROAD A, I TALKED ABOUT AS A SPINE ROAD, THAT'S RUN IN THE MIDDLE AS OPPOSED TO PROPOSE TO EVENTUALLY BE A FOUR LANE ROAD.
THEY'RE BUILDING THE TWO, UM, EASTERN MOST LANES AS A TWO LANE ROAD, UM, TO START.
UM, BUT IT COULD ALWAYS BE EXPANDED AS IN, IN THE FUTURE.
THE COUNTY NEEDS THE EXPANSION.
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UM, THIS IS A SPLIT ZONING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE.THE RPU D IT WILL BE WHERE YOU SEE THE UNITS AND THE OPEN SPACE LOCATED.
UM, THE AID TWO PORTION IS AN AREA THAT'S GENERALLY, UM, FLOOD PLAIN AND, UM, NOT DEVELOPABLE.
UM, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THE, TO BE CONNECTED, UM, THAT, THAT PIECE JUST DIDN'T SIT OUT THERE, UM, HANGING AROUND.
UM, THE DEVELOPER HAS PROPOSED TO PUT THE WALKING TRAIL THROUGH THAT AREA, AND IT WILL BE TIED WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS IS THE CENTERVILLE AREA, THE ROAD THAT IS, UH, BASICALLY THIS FINE ROAD FOR THIS PROJECT IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE THAT'S PROPOSED TO EVENTUALLY COME UP THROUGH THIS AREA, SERVE THIS INDUSTRIAL PORTION TO THE, TO THE SOUTH, COME UP HERE AND RECONNECTED BROAD STREET.
WHAT BURWELL ROAD IS, IS OVER HERE.
FIRST FIVE, I BELIEVE THIS IS GOING ON ME.
SO REGIS BRANCH, UM, AGAIN, IS TO, UH, THE WEST SIDE.
UM, WE WANT TO SHOW YOU, THIS IS THE CURRENT LAYOUT OF WHAT'S THERE AS ARE ALREADY RECORDED THE AREA THAT IS NOT TO HAVE LOTS ON IT THAT IS ALREADY ZONED FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, PART OF THE, THE CHANGE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND WILL CAUSE A RECONFIGURATION.
SO READER'S BRANCH WILL NOW CONNECT INTO THIS PROPOSED PROJECT AS WELL.
SO THEIR ACCESS POINTS WOULD BE THREE READERS, BRANCH, AND UPPER WOOP UP WEBER HILL ROAD UNTIL SUCH TIME AS ROAD IS EXTENDED.
UH, THE WIPPER HEALTH WIPRO ROAD SUBDIVISION.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 50 FOOT EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, OTHERS COULD CLARIFY FOR ME HOW MANY EXISTING HOMES FRONT ON THAT ROADWAY.
UM, THE EXISTING PAVEMENT WITH IS APPROXIMATELY 18 FEET WITH ROADSIDE DITCH.
SO PART OF THE CONCERN AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS YES, WE ARE GOING TO, AS THE APPLICANT WILL BE PROPOSING TO ACCESS, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT VIA WIPPA RURAL ROAD, UM, INCREASE THE TRAFFIC, POTENTIALLY THE OFFSET IS TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THIS PAVEMENT DESIGN THAT EXISTS THERE IS CAPABLE OF SUSTAINING THE INCREASED TRAFFIC.
AND PLUS IT'S A ROAD THAT NEEDED UPGRADE ANYWAY, BY ITS, BY ITS AGE.
UM, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS A, IS A PROFFERED CONDITION FOR A ROAD STANDARD.
AGAIN, THE RUNAWAY IS 50 FEET BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING NARROW PAVEMENT THAT'S OUT THERE, THE EXISTING DITCH LINE, THE INTENDED INTENDANCE, THE INTENT IS TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON EXISTING LOTS AND YARDS AND THE LIKE, SO THERE WILL BE AN EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING PAVEMENT AND UPGRADE OF THAT, UM, REPAVED UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF V.AS TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, TO BRING IT UP TO THAT STANDARD.
YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN AGAIN, CURRENTLY 18, THAT 18 FEET AND NARROWS AT DIFFERENT POINTS.
THIS WILL BE A 22 FOOT PAVEMENT WITH, UH, THERE'S ALSO PROPOSED THAT THERE WOULD BE THE STRIPING OF THE LANES AT A BROAD STREET ROAD INTERSECTION TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A SEPARATE LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANE, THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THE APPLICANT AND THAT I BELIEVE IS SUFFICIENT FOR THAT, BUT IT'LL BE TURNED AT THE TIME, UM, OF FIELD AND POD, BUT OF COURSE, UM, THE INTENT IS TO STRIKE THAT AND THEN HOPEFULLY THEY WON'T HAVE TO WIDEN THE PAVEMENT ANY MORE THERE, BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT TRAFFIC DOESN'T BACK UP BY PROVIDING THOSE SEPARATE LEFT-HAND RIGHTS.
UM, THE COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD FOR THIS IN SEPTEMBER, UM, CHAIRMAN LINCOLN'S, UH, SUPERVISOR SHARP AND COMMISSIONER BUTTOCK, AND SEVEN SENTENCES WHERE THEIR CITIZENS WERE THERE.
UM, TOPICS DISCUSSED THINGS THAT HAVE WE'VE, WE'VE SORT OF TALKED ABOUT AS WE'VE GONE FORWARD IMPROVEMENTS ON WHAT THE RURAL ROAD, UH, POTENTIAL IMPACT OF TRAFFIC CAN ADD DRAINAGE IN THE AREA DESTRUCTION OF THE EXISTING UTILITIES ALONG THE ROAD, UM, CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC, UH, QUESTIONS THAT WE GENERALLY ARISE ABOUT WILDLIFE IN THE AREA.
AND OF COURSE THE IMPACT ON PROPERTY VALUES.
WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED TWO EMAILS AND ONE PHONE CALL.
ONE OF THOSE EMAILS WAS FROM A PERSON WHO LATER CALLED, UM, IN OPPOSITION AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACCESS FIRE WHIP OVER ROAD AND THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC IMPACTED PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS OF RURAL ROAD.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IS THE FIXED CAUSING A PROBLEM, UM, CONCERNING AN EXPANSION OF THE RIVER, THE READER SPRINT SUBDIVISION ITSELF, UH, THE APPLICANT AND THE ATTACHED UNITS THAT ARE BEING INCLUDED ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE AGE RESTRICTED, UM, UNITS BEING ADDED TO READER'S BRANCH.
OF COURSE THAT'S, AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE APPLICANT AND THE UPDATED, UH, BLACKLINE PROFFERS, SO CONCERNED SUMMARY, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT ON WHAT PAROLE ROAD, UM, THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, UH, BY THE APP.
KEN HAS PUT FORWARD A PROFFER TO INTEND TO ADDRESS THAT WITH HER AND IMPROVEMENTS AND THE TURN LANES, UM, WITH THE FUTURE PRIMARY
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ACCESS BEING PROVIDED THROUGH THE VA, UH, THE VIA THE ROAD DAY, THAT'S BEING DESIGNED THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN ROAD CONSTRUCTION IMPACT ON WHIP, RURAL RED SITE DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC HAS BEEN PROFFERED, UM, TO GO THROUGH READERS BRANCH ROAD, OUT TO HOCKEY ROAD THAT DOESN'T DELIMIT THE OTHER HOUSE BUILDING TRAFFIC.SO THIS IS THE EARTH MOVERS, THE GRADERS TO HAVE HEAVIER TYPE OF EQUIPMENT VERSUS THE, THE EVERYDAY CONTRACTOR, WHICH, WHICH COULD USE ANY OF THE PUBLIC ROADS, UM, THE INCLUSION OF AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT CONCERN, THE APPLICANT HAS REMOVED THE AGE RESTRICTION.
UM, SO ALL THE PRO ALL THE UNITS IN HERE WILL BE AT THE SAME, UM, THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE STANDARD.
ANYONE CAN PURCHASE WITHOUT LIMITATION, A SUMMARY OF THE PROFFERS.
UM, I DO HAVE A LONG LIST OF BLACKLINE PROFFERS THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UM, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT US TO MEET A LOT THROUGH THEM.
ONE BY ONE, UM, UM, SUMMARY OF THAT, AGAIN, 122 UNITS, 32 ATTACHED, UM, WROTE INTO IMPROVEMENTS, UM, TO INCLUDE A PROVISION OF TWO LANES OF, UH, UH, FUTURE THOROUGHFARE PLAN ROAD, UM, RUNNING THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS TO WIPPER, WE'LL READ A CASH PROFFER OF 9,810 PER LOT, AGAIN, NO AGE RESTRICTED, UM, LIMITATION ON SITE CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC, THE BUFFERS, ELEVATION AND MATERIALS FOR BUILDINGS, UM, SAW AN IRRIGATION ON LOT.
SO I WOULD NOTE THAT THE ELEVATIONS ARE IN THE PACKAGE AS FOR THE TOWNHOUSES.
THERE ARE PROFIT CONDITIONS RELATED TO MATERIAL, BUILDING MATERIALS TO MAKE THEM SIMILAR, OR THE SAME AS, UH, THE READER EXPERIENCE, SUBDIVISION, UH, SIDEWALKS AND LOTS.
UM, AGAIN, STAFF DOES HAVE THE PROPHETS HERE, BLACK LINE, AND I COULD WALK THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE, OR YOU CAN STOP WITH MY SUMMARY THAT WE'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST CONCEPTUAL PLAN, AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE WAY THEY HAVE THESE THINGS IN PINK, DOWN IN THAT SECTION SHAPED LIKE A KITE TOWNHOMES THAT'S RIGHT.
THESE THERE'LL BE THE ATTACHED OR TOWNHOMES.
UM, SO PART OF THAT, THEY HAVE THAT THERE'S A PART OF THE PACKET DOES GIVE SPECIFIC ELEVATIONS FOR THAT.
SOME OF THESE MAYBE ACT ALLIE LOADED FOR ONE, ONE SECTION OF THOSE, UM, DOUBLE DEPENDENT THEY CAN MAKE, THEY COULD GET SUFFICIENT WITH.
AND, AND THE LIKE, THROUGH DEVELOPMENT REALLY.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE LAST SIZE WE'RE ABOUT 2.4, EIGHT ACRES? IS IT AN AREA? NO, THAT'S THE DENSITY.
YOU'RE TALKING TO 2.48 UNITS BREAKER.
UM, SO NO, THE LOT SIZES ON THE FRONT HERE WOULD BE SMALLER THAN AN ACRE SMALLER THAN THE ANKLE, RIGHT? YEAH, BECAUSE THE DENSITY IS 2.4 UNITS BREAKER RIGHT NOW.
CAN WE TALK MORE ABOUT ROAD A, SO MARKEL EAGLE BUILD THIS AND PUT A ROAD IN RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT HERE, RIGHT? AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THE COUNTY WILL DO WHAT, UH, THE COUNTY OR THE DOT MOST LIKELY WOULD BE WHEN THE TRAFFIC LEVELS REACHED A CERTAIN POINT COULD EXPAND TO FOUR LANES.
SO THEY'RE DEDICATED AND A HUNDRED FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, AND BUILDING THE TWO TO TWO LANES PROPOSED THROUGH THEIR, THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ON THEIR PLANS FOR, RIGHT.
IT SAYS, WHAT'S THE PLANS FOR CENTERVILLE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LAND BETWEEN 2 88 AND HOCKETT ROAD TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME ACCESS POINTS UP THROUGH THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IN THE, IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO MISS THE TRAFFIC FROM THIS AND THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA WOULD START GOING TOWARDS THIS ROAD VERSUS THE OTHER.
SO ROAD A WOULD COME FROM HOCKETT ROAD.
UM, I'LL SAY THERE, SO IS THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO YOU ALREADY HAVE, SO YOU HAVE READER'S BRANCH THINK THAT'S PART OF READERS, PARENTS THAT COMES ACROSS HERE.
UM, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE CONNECTION THAT GOES UP TO BROAD STREET HERE.
AND EVENTUALLY THIS WILL GO SOUTH INTO, WE HAD THAT PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA DOWN FURTHER SOUTH, WHAT BOBO ROAD IS UP HERE.
AND THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ONLY, SORRY.
I KEEP HITTING MY ELBOW IN THE MIC.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS ROAD A IS, IS HERE TO TAKE THE STRAIN OFF OF HOCKET AND, UM, CREEK PARKWAY.
AND TO FIND THAT WE SERVE, WE'RE SERVING THAT ELEMENT, ESPECIALLY THE PRIMARY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH.
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SO THE RESIDENTS OF RADIUS BRANCH WILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT ROAD, GET OUT ON TWO 15, UM, ONCE IT'S CONNECTED UP, UP TO BROAD STREET.SO UNDERSTAND THERE, I'M SORRY.
WHAT ABOUT AT THIS POINT? NOT AT THIS POINT, THAT'S WHEN RICHARD BRANCH WAS DONE SAYING THAT THEY TOOK THIS OUT.
THEY PROMISE THEY, WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE US AND THEY COMMISSIONED, UH, SUPERVISORS THAT THEY PROMISE THAT, I MEAN, HE SHOWED THIS CONNECTION AND HE TOOK IT OUT BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS THAT I DIDN'T WANT ALL THAT EXTRA TRAFFIC OR THROUGH THEIR DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T WANT THE BROAD STREET FOR THE READERS ORIGINALLY IN THE VERY FIRST BRANCH OF DEVELOPMENT WE SAW THAT'S GOING BACK IN.
UM, SO THE READER'S BRAIN CURRENTLY HAD SHOWN, UM, IT SAID THAT THE READERS BRANCH WILL CONNECT OVER POTENTIALLY TO THIS DOES ROAD DAY AND WIPRO AND WHEREVER.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, WIPRO ON THE SHORE AND THE LONG-TERM UNTIL THE ROAD, I MEAN, ROAD A IS A LONG-TERM PROJECT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH WOULD DEVELOP TO ACTUALLY BRING IT UP TO BROAD STREET COULD BE 10, 15 YEARS, RIGHT.
UM, UM, BUT YOU, YOU, THE ACCESS WILL BE THROUGH RIPPER WILL DRIVE TO READERS BRANCH AS WELL.
UM, I'LL GET BACK TO THE, UM, SO, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, AND OF COURSE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND SHE DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION.
I HAVE A THIRD, THE AGE RESTRICTED HOMES HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
THE, THE PROFFER THAT CALLED FOR AN AGE RESTRICTION HAS BEEN REMOVED.
THE HOMES WOULD STILL BE THERE.
THERE'D JUST BE STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY.
AND ORIGINALLY WHEN W SO JUST IN THIS SECTION, NOT SOMETHING REGIONAL BRANCH, REDIS BRANCHES, ALL STANDARD, THERE'S NOT AN AGE RESTRICTION, RIGHT.
SO IT'S JUST CONTINUING WITH WHAT READER'S BRANCH CORRECT.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S DIFFERENT IS THAT YOU WILL HAVE AN ATTACHED PRODUCT, UM, FOR THAT CENTRAL POD THERE, UM, THAT RATHER THAN THE OTHER STANDARD, UM, FOR READERS PARENTS, THESE LOTS WOULD BE GENERALLY COMPARABLE, COMPARABLE TO WHAT'S IN READER'S BRANCH.
AND AT THIS POINT THERE ARE NO PLANS TO EXTEND ROAD EIGHT.
THAT'S NOT EVEN ON A TEN-YEAR PLAN.
WELL, IT'S ON OUR, IT DOESN'T SHOW OR NOT LIKE FOR US TO CONSTRUCT IT.
SO WHEN DEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN THE AREA, IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER WOULD BUILD, UM, WHAT WE WOULD DEEM SUFFICIENT LANES OR VW WITH KARL.
SO IN THIS CASE, TWO LANES, A TWO LANE ROAD WITH THE EXTRA RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATED, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S TWO LANE ROAD.
NOW IT WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE TURNED INTO A FOUR LANE ROAD AT SOME POINT MORE THAN ONE.
AND, BUT THAT, THAT, I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKELY AN EXTENSION OUT OF MORE FUTURE, CAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SUFFICIENT, UM, DEVELOPMENT TO WARRANT THE INCREASE.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S A TWO LANE ROAD.
UM, IF YOU SAID THE ALLOWED DENSITY WAS UP TO TWO AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE, RIGHT.
UH, ARE YOU PAYING, YOU DO CALLS FOR 2.5, A MAXIMUM 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND SO I'VE TURNED DOWN WHAT WAS THE ACREAGE AND WHAT WAS THE TOTAL? UM, SO YOU WERE LOOKING AT 72.9, EIGHT, EIGHT ACRES.
HOWEVER, THE DENSITY IS ONLY CALCULATED ON THE RPD PORT PORTION.
UM, SO THE AREA THAT'S IN THE RED STRIPE, UM, IS THE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE THAT STAND 80 TO A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN OR SOMETHING.
GENERALLY IT'S A, IT'S A VERY ENCUMBERED AREA.
YOU SAID THE APPLICANT HAS HERE IN HAZARD PRESENTATION.
UM, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MR. CASH.
UM, I'M NATALIE CROFT WITH EAGLE CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 73 ACRES OF VACANT LAND AT THE SOUTHERN TERMINUS OF WHIPPOORWILL ROAD, EAST OF THE READER'S BRANCH NEIGHBORHOOD, THE FAMILY HOMES, THE PROPERTY IS RECOMMENDED FOR SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT AND IS ALSO WITHIN THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE
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NOTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A MAJOR VILLAGE AND A DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA, A PROPOSED NORTH SOUTH ROADWAY WITH A 100 FOOT ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY WITH BISECTS THE SITE, THE VACANT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS RECOMMENDED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND TO THE EAST AND SOUTH RESPECTIVELY ARE THE TUCKAHOE CREEK AND READERS' BRANCH WATERWAYS.SO APPROXIMATELY 49 ACRES SHADED IN YELLOW ARE PROPOSED FOR RPU D ZONING TO PERMIT UP TO 122 NEW ATTACHED AND DETACHED HOMES.
WHILE THE REMAINING 24 ACRES OF FLOODPLAIN WOULD REMAIN A TWO WITH ADDITIONAL PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE WEST OF THE 100 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY IS PROPOSED FOR ALL DETACHED HOMES, SIMILAR IN SIZE AND SCALE TO THE READER'S BRANCH NEIGHBORHOOD.
17 HOMES ARE LOCATED ON AN EXTENSION OF WHIPPOORWILL ROAD AND 34 HOMES ARE SHOWN EXTENDING FROM READER'S BRANCH SECTION FIVE, WHICH IS NOT YET UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO THE EAST OF THE ROADWAY.
67 HOMES ARE SHOWN AS A MIX OF BOTH ATTACHED AND DETACHED DWELLINGS, PROVIDING A VARIETY OF HOUSING STOCK AS RECOMMENDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BOTH SIDES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH AMENITIES.
THE WESTERN SIDE HAS BEEN DESIGNED WITH PICKLEBALL COURTS, A LARGE VIEWING PATIO WITH FIRE PIT AND A MAIL HOUSE WITH PARKING AREA AND LANDSCAPING CREATING A NICE FOCAL FEATURE AT THE BACK ENTRANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF OFF THE COUNTY'S NEW ROAD.
THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN DESIGNED WITH DETACHED HOMES AS WELL AS TOWNHOMES THAT ARE BOTH FRONT AND ALLEY LOADED, RESPONDING TO THE COMP PLANS RECOMMENDATION FOR TRADITIONAL VILLAGE DESIGNS.
SEVERAL OF THE ALLEY LOADED TOWNHOMES ARE DESIGNED TO OVERLOOK A BEAUTIFULLY LANDSCAPED AND TERRORIST FORMAL PARK IN THE HEART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AN ASPHALT TRAIL ALONG THE TUCKAHOE CREEK AND READERS BRANCH WATERWAYS WILL CONNECT TO THE COUNTY'S WEST CREEK TRAIL SYSTEM AT THEIR PROPOSED LEG, FIVE TRAILHEAD CREATING A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION THAT GOES FROM POTENTIALLY FROM PATTERSON AVENUE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE READER'S BRANCH NEIGHBORHOOD AND AFTER HOCKETT ROAD, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOTES THAT THE VILLAGES SHOULD PROMOTE A VARIETY OF HIGH QUALITY HOUSING STOCK WITH ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS COMPATIBLE WITH TRADITIONAL VILLAGE DESIGNS.
OUR PROFIT ELEVATIONS INCLUDE HOMES THAT ARE AGAIN SIMILAR IN SIZE AND CHARACTER TO THOSE IN THE READER'S BRANCH NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD INCLUDE HIGH QUALITY EXTERIOR MATERIALS OF BRICK STONE OR FIBER CEMENT BOARD SIDING TOWNHOMES PROVIDE A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS ON THE ALLEY.
LOADED TOWNHOMES ARE ALSO COMPATIBLE WITH TRADITIONAL VILLAGE DESIGNS.
A COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, 29TH DISCUSSION CENTERED ON POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO WHAT BURWELL ROAD, AS WELL AS, AS THE DESIRE TO KEEP THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE ROADWAY.
A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS COMPLETED.
AND WE HELD MEETINGS WITH BOTH COUNTY STAFF AND VITA TO CLARIFY AND SPECIFY NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS, SATISFYING BOTH THE NEED TO IMPROVE THE ROADWAY AND THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS DESIRE TO KEEP THE ROADWAYS CURRENT CHARACTER.
TO THIS END, WE ARE PROFFERING THE IMPROVEMENT OF LIBERAL ROAD TO THE SPECIFIC STANDARD FOUND IN THE COUNTY'S MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
WE'RE ALSO PROFFERING A RIGHT TURN TAPER, I'M SORRY, A RIGHT TURN LANE ONTO BROAD STREET ROAD FROM LIBERAL RAILROAD, A RIGHT TURN TAPER FROM BROAD STREET ROAD ONTO WHERE BURWELL ROAD AND FULL RIGHT-OF-WAY DEDICATION FOR THE NORTH SOUTH ROADWAY SHOWN IN THE COUNTY'S ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN.
AGAIN, IN ORDER TO FURTHER LESSEN ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON WHIPPOORWILL ROAD.
WE HAVE PROFFERED THAT CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC RELATED TO SITE DEVELOPMENT WILL ACCESS THE SITE PRIMARILY THROUGH THE READER'S BRANCH NEIGHBORHOOD VIA HOCKETT ROAD.
OTHER PROFFERS ARE RELATED TO THE HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURE AND EXTERIOR MATERIALS.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE INTERCONNECTED TRAIL SYSTEM IS ALSO PROFFERED AS ARE THE HEAVILY LANDSCAPE OFFERS AT THE CURRENT TERMINUS OF WHIPPOORWILL ROAD.
AND ALONG THE NEW ROADWAY IN A DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE COMP PLANS, NOTE THAT IN THIS VILLAGE LANDSCAPE AND STREETSCAPE DESIGNS SHOULD SERVE AS AMENITIES.
SO WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS PROJECT OVER A YEAR AGO WITH SOME VERY ROUGH IDEAS AND EVEN ROUGHER SKETCHES.
BRIAN CAN ATTEST TO THAT, UM, BY LEANING INTO STAFF'S GUIDANCE, WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD AN APPLICATION THAT WE ARE TRULY PROUD OF.
WE HAVE THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED TO HIGH QUALITY COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEAUTIFUL AMENITIES AND CELEBRATES ITS NATURAL SURROUNDINGS.
WE'VE BEEN PROACTIVE IN BALANCING THE COUNTY'S DESIRE FOR SPECIFICS ABOUT PROPOSED ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT WITH THE ADJOINING RESIDENTS, DESIRE TO KEEP THE CURRENT CHARACTER OF WHIPPOORWILL ROAD.
THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND IT HELPS
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TO FURTHER THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COUNTY'S PARKS MASTER PLAN.WE APPRECIATE ALL OF STAFF'S EFFORTS AND TIME ON THIS CASE, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL THIS EVENING.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND CIVIL ENGINEER ARE ALSO BOTH HERE TONIGHT.
UM, JUST THE ONE IN THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT IT'S GOING TO COME FROM HOCKET ROAD SIDE THROUGH THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT ALREADY BUILDING A NEW ROAD.
IT WOULD COME THROUGH, UM, HOCKET ROAD THROUGH SECTION FOUR AND FIVE OF READERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION ALSO OKAY.
WANT TRAFFIC STUDIES? DID THEY FEEL A LITTLE ROAD WHAT'S GOING TO BE SEVERELY AFFECTED WITH THE TRAFFIC? UM, I'LL LET MR. HALLGREN, UM, DISCUSS FURTHER THE TIA.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, CARL HOLTON WITH RAMY KEMP AND ASSOCIATES, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.
WE'RE 43 43 COX ROAD IN HENRICO.
AND, UH, WE DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE PROJECT AND, UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROFFERED HAVE BEEN DEEMED APPROPRIATE AND ADEQUATE TO MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS TO WIPPER WOOL ROAD AND BROAD STREET.
TH THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE DONE PRIOR TO, IT'S NOT LIKE THE HOMEFUL REBUILT, AND THEN THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE MADE.
THEY, THEY, THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE MADE AND THEN THE HOME FOR, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE INTENT.
THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT'S DONE.
IT'S PROFFERED THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY CEO ON THE PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU.
NOW OPEN IT TO MIKE FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I LIVE AT 1565 WHIPPOORWILL ROAD.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WHERE PER WHEEL ROAD.
THE GENTLEMEN SAID THAT THAT ROAD IS 18 FEET OR WIDER.
THE ONLY SPOT IS THAT WIDE IS WHERE IT CONNECTS TO BROAD STREET IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
YOU'RE LUCKY IF IT'S 12 FOOT WIDE, IF TWO CARS PASS EACH OTHER, YOU GOT TO SLOW UP OR ONCE GOT TO GET OVER.
AND THERE'S 15 HOUSES ON THAT ROAD, AND YOU'RE GOING TO ADD 122 HOMES, WHICH HAS 122 CARS.
IF THERE'S ONLY ONE CAR PER HOME, AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE READERS.
BRANCH HOCKET ROAD IS ALREADY A CLUSTER TRYING TO GET OUT.
SO ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA START COMING THROUGH WHIPPLE WHEEL ROAD, TAKING A SHORTCUT AND MOST OF THE HOMES ON WIPPER WHEEL ROAD.
IF YOU TAKE A RIDE DOWN THERE, HAVE A SHORT FRONT YARD.
SO IF YOU START WIDEN THAT ROAD TO A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, YOU CAN BE TAKEN HALF A, THE FRONT YARDS.
UM, MY NAME IS MATT MCKINNEY, UM, AND I, I LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO BRUCE ON WIPRO ROAD.
AND THAT, THAT WAS MY CONCERN WITH, UM, WHAT'S YOUR STREET ADDRESS? UM, 1567 WIPER WHEEL ROAD.
UM, AND MY CONCERN IS HOW THEY DISCUSS 18 FOOT AT MAX, BUT IT VARIES.
AND MY, MY HOUSE IS, IS A NICE SMALL BRICK HOUSE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY ONLY 20, 25 FEET FROM THE ROAD.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE LIKE 30, 40% OF MY FRONT YARD, UM, AND ACT LIKE THERE'S NO IMPACT WITH THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FROM, UH, 130 UNITS PLUS ALL THE STUFF FROM RICHARD SPRINGS.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC, MORE NOISE, AND YOU'RE TAKING 30% OF MY FRONT YARD.
UM, WITHOUT TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE FAIR TO USE WIPER WHEEL ROAD AS THIS ENTRANCE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE THAT AFFECTS.
UM, I THINK YOU WOULD AT LEAST HAVE TO COME UP WITH A WAY THAT COMPENSATED PEOPLE FAIRLY FOR TAKING 30% OF THEIR FRONT YARD.
UM, WITHOUT THAT, I, I THINK THAT YOU'RE JUST OBJECTIVELY TAKING MY PROPERTY AND MAKING IT MUCH WORSE.
UM, A PLACE IN A RURAL AREA THAT'S VERY BEAUTIFUL AND PEACEFUL, AND NOW IT'S VERY BUSY WITH LIGHTS AND NOISE AND I, YOU CAN'T USE THE FRONT YARD FOR YOUR KIDS OR DOGS ANYMORE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, I PERCEIVE THAT AS TAKING SOMETHING FROM ME.
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TO SAY.I LIVE AT 26 0 1 PORT SAVAGE DRIVE DOWN IN MIDLOTHIAN.
UH, IT'S MY SON, MY QUESTION TO YOU, AND THIS IS, THIS IS PRETTY EASY TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I LIVE IN A RELATIVELY NEW DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC AND HOUSING TRAFFIC, EVERYBODY TAKES THE EASIEST ROAD THROUGH, AND YOU CAN SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC OVER HERE.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE PLANS THAT THEY HAVE THIS ROAD, A WHY ISN'T THAT DONE BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE? AND YOU PUT THIS IMPETUS ON THESE 14 OR 15 HOMEOWNERS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO JAM SHIT AND TAKE AWAY THEIR PROPERTY.
AND PEOPLE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THAT PEOPLE THAT BUILD HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING TO JUST COME RAN, WENT DOWN THOSE ROADS.
IT'S GOING TO DESTROY THE ACTUAL RESIDENTIAL FEELING THAT THEY HAVE.
IT'S OKAY TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT'S INEVITABLE OR COMMERCIAL, BUT IF YOU DON'T MAKE THEM BUILD A ROAD THAT COMES OFF OF BROAD STREET, THAT GOES IN DIRECTLY INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT, NOT THROUGH SOMEBODY ELSE'S RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU'RE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE.
AND THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I COULD SUGGEST TO THE HOMEOWNERS THAT CURRENTLY LIVE ON WHIPPLE ROAD WOULD BE TO COME TO YOU AND SAY, MAKE THIS COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU'VE ALREADY DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL AREA OVER THERE WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY LIVE THERE.
SO YOU HAVE TO PUT YOURSELF IN THE SAME POSITION OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AS TO WHAT'S BEING KIND OF JAMMED DOWN THEIR THROAT WITHOUT ANY PRIOR KNOWLEDGE.
AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO RUIN THEIR STREET WHERE THE PEOPLE LIVE.
SO THINK ABOUT THAT, DESPITE WHAT THEY SAY, THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE GUYS THAT ARE DRIVING THE TRUCKS, THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
I ALSO LIVE AT 1565, WHAT ROAD? AND I JUST WANTED TO, UM, COMMENT OBVIOUSLY PROGRESS.
SO WE REALIZED THAT, UM, BUT WHIPPOORWILL WROTE, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN, THERE IS BASICALLY A ONE LANE ROAD.
THERE'S NO STRIPED DOWN THE ROAD.
IT'S, IT'S QUIET, 15 HOMES, PEOPLE WALK, THEIR DOGS, PEOPLE, CHILDREN ARE, UM, ON THEIR BICYCLES WITH TRAINING WHEELS AND THESE HOMES ARE 50 YEARS OLD.
SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THEM, SOME HAVE BEEN THERE.
MY HUSBAND'S BEEN THERE 25 YEARS.
OTHERS HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE HOME HAS BEEN BUILT.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR CHANGE TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE TO US.
UM, NOT TO MENTION LOSING PART OF OUR LAND FOR ROAD WIDENING.
UM, ALSO THE ROAD ITSELF HAS 25 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT.
UM, ANYONE THAT COMES DOWN THERE NOW, UH, IF YOU'RE NOT A RESIDENT THERE THEY'RE FLYING 45 MILES PER HOUR, UM, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THAT'S GOING TO BE COMMONPLACE.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC, MORE NOISE, MORE LIGHTS THERE RIGHT NOW WE CAN SIT IN OUR, IN OUR LIVING ROOM AND ACTUALLY SEE CARS GOING DOWN THE ROAD.
AND IF THEY SLOW UP AND TURN IN OR WHAT THEY'RE DOING, SO IT'S GOING TO CHANGE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE LIFE THAT WE'VE COME TO, YOU KNOW, UM, EXPECT EVERY DAY, DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
NOT TO MENTION, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE, UM, PROGRESS.
WE CAN'T STOP IT, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE DEER, THERE ARE BEARS, THERE ARE COYOTES, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF ANIMALS THAT LIVE THERE TOO.
SO, YOU KNOW, UM, BEHIND US, IT'S ALL WOODS, MY HUSBAND'S SONS, YOU KNOW, RACE, DIRT BIKES THROUGH THERE.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO TO HAVE THAT IMPACT, THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE OUR QUALITY OF LIVES.
SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO PREVENT THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH WHIPPOORWILL ROAD, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO? DO WE JUST DO WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR A NEW PLACE TO LIVE, YOU KNOW, CAUSE YOU WANT THAT COUNTRY SETTING.
AND EVEN THE READER'S BRANCH DEVELOPERS, WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT READER'S BRANCH SAID, WE LOVE WEBER.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE FIVE MINUTES OUTSIDE, SHORT PUMP, BUT YOU'RE IN THE COUNTRY DRIVING DOWN THEIR HOAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, PLEASE CONSIDER THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON WHAT BURWELL ROAD.
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AS I SAID, WE KNOW A PROGRESS, WE CAN'T STOP IT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAINTAIN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE 122 HOMES DEPOSITING CARS ON THAT ROAD, AS WELL AS THE 400 AND SOME ODD HOMES FROM READERS BRANCH.OUR FAMILY OWNS THE NURSERY AT THE INTERSECTION 28 AND TWO 50.
UM, MY ONLY TRUE QUESTION IS FOR THE EIGHT TWO STUFF THAT THEY'RE LEAVING IS, IS ANY OF THAT GONNA, ARE THEY GONNA HAVE TO BUY CONSERVATION CREDITS FOR ANYTHING? ARE THEY GOING TO DISTURB ANYTHING THERE OR IS THERE INTENT TO ALL OF TOGO CREEK AND THE TRIBUTARIES TO KIND OF LEAVE THOSE UNTOUCHED? UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE ONE ROAD OR A ROAD, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LINES ARE ALREADY IN THE SAME SMITH'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY RIGHT ABOVE THEM.
AND I REALLY DON'T SEE IF THAT ROADS ARE GOING TO GO IN THERE.
WHY NOT SAVE THE PEOPLE AT WHIPPOORWILL, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT TROUBLE, IF YOU COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT ROAD THROUGH THERE.
CAUSE THAT ROADS COMMON WHENEVER THE DEVELOPER JUST BOUGHT IT, YOU KNOW, PUTS IT THROUGH THERE.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE THERE FOR.
SO I KIND OF FEEL FOR THE PEOPLE WITH OIL, ANYONE ELSE NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
THE FACT THAT, THAT THEY, UM, PUT THE WHEEL ROAD WILL BE WIDENING AND PEOPLE WHOSE PART OF THEIR PROPERTY, IS THAT A FACT THAT THERE'S AN EXISTING, THERE'S AN EXISTING 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, UH, AS, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, A PAYMENT WITH THAT, AND AGAIN, IT WAS AT THE WIDEST, I SAW 18 FEET, BUT I, I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH THEM SAYING IT'S MUCH NARROWER IN OTHER LOCATIONS.
UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS OF 50 FEET IT'S ALREADY THERE.
UM, WHAT THE IS BEING PROFFERED IS SHOWING A PAVEMENT DESIGN IS BASED UPON A 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE INTENTION WAS TO ACTUALLY WIDEN THE PAVEMENT, BUT KEEP IT WITHIN A, UM, A DESIGN PATTERN THAT WOULD NOT UTILIZE THE ENTIRE 50 FEET.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THE INTENT WAS TO WIDEN THE PAVEMENT TO GIVE IT, UH, WHAT THE WIDTH REALLY SHOULD BE IN FOR A MODERN, UM, ANY TYPE OF MODERN LOCAL ROAD, UM, TO HAVE AT LEAST, UH, 11 FOOT LANES, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THEY'RE PROBABLY EIGHT FOOT LANES THAT PROBABLY HAD A MAXIMUM, UM, AND THEN PROVIDE FOR THE SHOULDER AND THE DITCH.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTOR ALREADY THERE, RIGHT.
THE RIGHT OF WAY SHOULD ALREADY THE RIGHT OF WAY IS ALREADY THERE.
UM, THE INTENTION FOR THIS, THE ENDING OF SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
THIS PROPERTY ALREADY HAS ACCESS TO HOPEWELL ROAD.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ACCESS.
THEY IT'S, IT'S A LOT ON ROAD, UH, WELL DIRECTLY AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO ACCESS AT THE TERMINUS TO RIGHT TO WIPRO.
WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S ALREADY A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.
IT MAY NOT BE A 20 FOOT WIDE ROAD, BUT IT'S A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY ALL THE WAY TO BROAD STREET.
OR IS HIS STAFF AWARE OF, UM, WE'RE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOCKS THAT ARE ON IT'S? UM, I CAN GET BACK AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT TOGETHER.
UM, PART OF THEM HAVE BEEN, UH, LOOKS LIKE PROBABLY NARROWED DOWN SO DIVIDED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, SO WHAT WE REALLY LOOKED AT WAS THE NUMBER OF, I'M SORRY, I'M SITTING THERE GOING THROUGH NATALIE'S I APPRECIATE THAT.
SOME REASON I'M NOT GETTING THERE.
IF YOU, WELL, I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT FROM HERE.
SO I BELIEVE I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM THE AREA WE TALKING ABOUT 16 HOMES.
I BELIEVE ONE OF THE CITIZENS MAY HAVE SAID IT'S 15 HOMES THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS THERE.
UM, THERE ARE, THERE IS POTENTIAL LOTS THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF SMALLER PARCELS THAT SEEM TO BE SHARING A HOUSE THAT CROSSES ACROSS SEVERAL LOT BUYERS.
IT'S NOT UNCOMMON WITH OLDER SON DIVISIONS.
SO RIPPER WILL WROTE ITSELF, UM, PROBABLY HAS ADDITIONAL, POTENTIALLY THREE UNITS THAT COULD COME THERE AS IT CURRENTLY CONFIGURED.
SO THE, WE ALREADY EXISTS ON THE PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT BE CUTTING THE GRASS OR DOING WHATEVER THE RIGHT OF WAY ALREADY EXISTS.
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RIGHT.IT MIGHT NOT BE UNDER PAVEMENT, BUT IT IS PART OF THE DEDICATED RIGHT.
OF HOME, HIS STAFF, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
THAT'S YOU KNOW, THE STAFF HAVE ANY OTHER, ANY, WE HAD ONE, I BELIEVE WE HAD JUST ONE EMAIL AND OPPOSITION FOR, FROM .
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, ONE WAS FROM UPPER, WELL, THE OTHER WAS FROM METERS BRANCH.
THIS IS WHERE YOU BRING IN WATER AND SEWER TO THAT WHEEL NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO, OR NOT WHETHER IT BE COMING THROUGH THERE OR, UM, IT, MYSELF, I'M NOT AWARE OF HOW THE UTILITIES ARE COMING INTO THE PROJECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF BRIAN, ARE THEY COMING THIS BRIAN MITCHELL FOR THE AFRICAN YEAH, THE, UH, UM, BRIAN MITCHELL WITH TOWN SITE ENGINEERING, UH, WE'LL BE DOING THE CIVIL ENGINEERING ON IT.
UM, THE SEWER, UH, READERS BRANCHES IS FEEDING SEWER THAT THE PROPERTY OBVIOUSLY FALLS TOWARDS THE FLOODPLAIN.
UH, AND SO THE SEWER WILL COME THAT WAY, UH, WITH THE WHEELS ACTUALLY UPHILL, UH, SOME FROM THIS PROPERTY AND JUST FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT, UH, AND THEN WATER LINES COMING THROUGH RAIDERS BRANCH AS WELL.
UM, I DO BELIEVE, UH, UH, THERE IS A WATERLINE IN WIPPA WILL, UH, SO THE COUNTY WILL LIKELY MAKE US TO CONNECT TO THAT, UM, AS WELL.
SHOULD I TELL YOU WHAT IT WOULD BENEFIT THE WIPRO? MAY THEY GET THE LOOP? THE LOOP, UH, THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC UTILITIES TYPICALLY REQUIRES, UH, OR LIKES TO SEE A WATER LINE SYSTEMS LOOPED BECAUSE IT, UH, OBVIOUSLY PROVIDES DUPLICITY, UH, AND SUPPLY.
SO, UM, TO THE OTHER GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION ABOUT THE WATER LENS, THAT WETLANDS, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THAT A TO, UH, TO REMAIN AREA.
UH, THE ONLY THING WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING OVER THERE AS THE TRAIL, UH, WHICH IS WHAT'S MAYBE FIVE FOOT WIDE, IT'S GOING BASICALLY ON WHERE IT'S DRAWN ON THE CENTRAL PLANT, UH, THAT IS CORRECT THE LINE, UH, FOR THE, UH, W WHERE THE LOTS AND, AND THE A PORTION REMAINS, UH, THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S ALL BEEN SURVEYED AND, UH, WETLAND, DELINEATION HAS BEEN DONE.
AND THAT LINE HAS BEEN STRUCT.
THAT'S JUST IN FLOODPLAIN FLOODPLAIN.
THE WETLANDS ARE FURTHER DOWN THE HILL, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF YOU GO, I'M ON A MISSION, YOU SAY, ARE YOU GOING TO RUN A WATER LINE DOWN? I BELIEVE A WATERLINE ALREADY EXISTS DOWN WITH THE WELL WORD AND THE HYDRANTS ARE OUT THERE.
Y'ALL ARE ON PUBLIC WATER NOW.
SO THERE'LL BE A CONNECTION THERE.
SO WE'LL BE PUTTING, UH, PROBABLY AN EIGHT INCH LINE AND IT'S USUALLY WHAT, MAYBE A SIX.
UH, SO THEY'LL GET DUPLICITY FROM, FROM THAT CONNECTION.
THE QUESTIONS, UM, I, I JUST LIKE TO ASK DEVELOPERS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO WIDEN THE ROAD THERE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO COMPENSATE THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE LIVING THERE NOW WHEN THEY LOSE THEIR YARDS? UM, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION THE RIGHT OF WAY IS A 50 FOOT, RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S ALREADY PLANTED.
UM, THE 18 FOOT OF PAVEMENT WIDTH IS WITHIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
WE'RE WIDENING THAT ALL CONTAINED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY OF THEIR PROPERTY TO WIDEN THE ROADWAY.
EVERYTHING WILL HAPPEN WITHIN THE ALREADY PLANTED 50 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY 18 FOOT OF PAVE ROAD.
PLUS THE DITCHES ON EACH SIDE FOR DRAINAGE 300 YEAR OLD OAK TREES, NO TREES ANYMORE.
UM, THEY WILL TAKE 30 MINUTES.
YOU, YOU PAID YOUR, UH, SO I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THE GEOMETRICS.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.
UM, SO IT'S AN EXISTING 50 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY OUT THERE.
UH, THE SECTION, THE TYPICAL SECTION THAT THE COUNTY, UH, HAS FOR, UH, FOR THIS KIND OF ROADWAYS, UH, TAKING IT FROM AN 18 TO A 22 FOOT WIDE, UH, PAVEMENT SECTION.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE SCREEN AND YOU SAY ONE FOOT WIDE, THOSE ARE THE TWO, UH, THE TWO TRAVEL LANES.
YOU ADD THOSE TOGETHER, YOU GET 22 FEET, UH, AND THEN THERE'S TWO FOOT SHOULDERS ON EACH SIDE OF THAT.
SO YOU ADD A 22 PLUS, UH, FOUR FEET, IT'S JUST A 26.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE SEVEN FOOT DITCHES ON EACH SIDE.
UH, YOU HAD THE 14 FEET THAT GETS YOU TO 40 FEET.
UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING 50 FOOT RIGHT.
UH, AND SO OUR INTENT IS TO, UH, IS TO FIT THIS SECTION WITHIN THE EXISTING PUBLIC ROAD, UH, RIGHT AWAY AND NOT GO ON ANYBODY'S PROPERTY.
YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING ANYBODY'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, NOW CERTAINLY, UH, THEY HAVE DRIVEWAYS,
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UH, WITH CULVERT CROSSINGS, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR DRIVEWAY INTEREST IS THOSE ARE INSIDE OF THAT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, EITHER REPLACE THOSE DRIVEWAY CULVERTS OR, YOU KNOW, BEAT OUT MAY BE OKAY WITH US BRINGING THE DITCH BACK IN AT THOSE PARTICULAR LOCATIONS.
UH, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A DESIGN THING THAT WE'LL GET INTO, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE, UH, THE IMPROVEMENT WILL BE ENTIRELY WITHIN THE 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY AND NOT GO IN ANYBODY'S LAND.
UH, IF THE WAY, UH, THEN CERTAINLY VIEWED OUT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE US TAKE THEM OUT.
UH, BUT WE WON'T GO ON ANYBODY'S LAND.
UH, THERE IS A LOT OF UTILITIES OUT THERE.
UM, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT.
UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE A PLAN TO DO THAT.
THAT'LL HAVE TO BE WORKED THROUGH, THROUGH V DOT.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THE DESIGN PROCESS IS GOING TO REQUIRE FOR THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT THERE WAS NO ALTERNATIVE USING WHIPPLE ROAD AND USING, I THINK YOU'RE ASKING IF, IS THERE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAN GOING OUT WEAPON? WELL, THERE ISN'T, BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
ANY QUESTION FOR STAFF, HOW IS THERE AN IDEA OF HOW LONG 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY HAS BEEN? UM, THEY'RE ON WEBER WILL, UM, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS, PROBABLY SINCE IT'S THAT'S STANDARD FOR THE COUNTY TO TYPICALLY ASK FOR THE 50 FOOT EASEMENTS.
OUR WORLD'S BEEN THERE FOR LIBERAL WELLS, BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
THAT'S A PRETTY STANDARD, UM, 50 FOOT IT'S USUALLY STANDARD FOR SOMETHING AS SORT OF, ESPECIALLY LOCALLY THAT'S INTENDED TO NOT JUST DAN, THIS WAS BUILT WITHOUT A CUL-DE-SAC, IT'S MORE OF A TERMINUS TYPE OF DESIGN.
UM, FOR THAT SAY 50 FOOT I WOULD EXPECT, BUT THEN THE ORIGINAL RECORD.
SO THAT SHOWS ON THE PLAT, RIGHT? ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY.
DO YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL PLAT THAT SHOWS THE 50 FOOT, EXCUSE ME.
I SAID THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY JUST PROVIDED THE ORIGINAL, UM, PROPERTY RECOMMENDATION THAT SHOWS THE 50 FOOT, UM, ROADWAY.
SO THIS AS A WEEKLY, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT.
THERE'S AN AREA THROUGH THE COURTHOUSE OF GOOCHLAND, THAT WHERE THE PARCELS THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE VILLAGE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE PAVED OR MADE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S UNCOMMON TO HAVE THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, IF NEEDED TO, THEY COULD REMOVE ANYTHING OUT OF THOSE RIGHT.
UM, BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO NO MORE QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE A MOTION, I MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
I SECOND, IT IT'S BEEN MOTIONED AND PROPERLY SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.
ALL OPPOSED MS. PARKER, WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS AND NO OTHER BUSINESS.
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MOTION TO ADJOURN.