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[I. 2:00 PM -Call to Order]
ALL I HAD IS MY PRIVILEGE TO CALL, TO ORDER THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING OF THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.UM, WE ARE GOING TO START OFF LIKE WE DO EVERY WEEK BY INVITING THE LORD WITH AN INVOCATION FROM PASTOR JEFF DICKSON FROM SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH AND THE PLEDGE OF ELITE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY VICE CHAIR, DON SHARP.
PLEASE STAND IF YOU'RE ABLE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
[II. Invocation]
HAVING US HERE TODAY.WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR ALL THAT YOU GIVE US.
WE TRUST THAT EVERY GOOD AND PERFECT GIFT IS FROM YOU.
AND FOR THAT, WE GIVE YOU THANKS.
AND THERE'LL BE THANK YOU FOR THIS BODY.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOOCHLAND.
WE PRAY THAT LORD, EVERYTHING DISCUSSED AND SAID TODAY WOULD WORK TO BENEFIT THOSE THAT LIVE IN THIS REGION, BUT ALSO LORD GLORIFY YOU AND GOD, WE JUST PRAY YOUR PROTECTION AND YOUR WISDOM AND GUIDANCE FOR ALL OF US IN THESE DAYS.
AND IN THIS SEASON, RECOGNIZING OUR FULL DEPENDENCY ON YOU FOR PERSEVERANCE AND STRENGTH AND LORD, WE LOOK FORWARD WITH GREAT ANTICIPATION, HOW YOU WILL LEAD THIS BODY AND THIS COUNTY IN THE SEASON AHEAD, WE PRAY A BLESSING OVER THIS MEETING AND WE ASK ALL OF THIS IN THE STRONG NAME OF JESUS, OUR LORD, AMEN TO THERE.
[III. Pledge of Allegiance]
THANK YOU, PLEASE BE SEATED.THANK YOU SO MUCH, PASTOR DIXON AND
[IV. Chair's Comments]
VICE-CHAIR SHARP.UM, WE HAVE A GREAT MEETING TONIGHT.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON, UM, BUT WE HAVE AN EVEN GREATER DINNER BREAK.
SO I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
TONIGHT IS ONE OF THE BEST DINNER BREAKS BECAUSE IT'S TWO OF MY FAVORITE THINGS IN THE COUNTY, THE GUCCI LEADERSHIP ENTERPRISE AND OUR CTE PROGRAM, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT AREN'T AWARE, THE GUCCI LEADERSHIP, X IT A SIGN UP TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE COUNTY AND HOPEFULLY FIND PLACES WHERE THEY CHOOSE TO SERVE.
IT TAKES A LOT TO KEEP THIS COUNTY RUNNING AND WE HAVE GREAT CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT.
SO VERY EXCITED SPEND THAT WITH THEM TONIGHT.
AND IT WILL BE SERVED BY THE CTE PROGRAM, THE CULINARY PROGRAM, WHICH IS OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WILL BE MAKING THE MEALS AND SERVING IT.
SO IT'S JUST A GREAT EXPERIENCE TO SEE THAT IN ACTION, WHICH I'M A HUGE PROPONENT OF.
SO A VERY EXCITING THING TONIGHT.
AND TODAY IS A HISTORIC DAY FOR GOOCHLAND COUNTY AND ONE THAT, UM, A LOT, A LOT OF HARD WORK BY A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, HAVE, UH, BEEN PUT IN AND I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER NOW, UM, TO MR. PETERSON, TO KINDA TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
WELL, I'M THINKING MR. JEREMY, UM, TODAY IT WAS A HISTORIC DAY FOR GOOSEN COUNTY.
UM, AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN GOODSON COUNTY'S HISTORY, UH, MECHANI WAS ABLE TO ACCESS THE CAPITAL MARKETS ON A DIRECT BASIS AND ISSUE BONDS WITHOUT ANY SUPPORT OR GOING THROUGH THE STATE OR THE VRA OR POSTING ANY CASH COLLATERAL.
UM, THE COUNTY WAS ABLE TO STAND ON ITS OWN TWO FEET FOR THE FIRST TIME.
THAT'S LARGELY DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE AAA CREDIT RATING FROM ALL THREE MAJOR MAJOR RATING AGENCIES.
AND WE HAD THE COVETED TRIPLE TRIPLE, WHICH ONLY ABOUT 1% OF THE COUNTIES IN THE COUNTRY HAVE A WE'RE THE SMALLEST COUNTY TO HAVE THAT ACCESS, UH, WITH A TRIPLE TRIPLE AND THE SMALLEST ONE TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE BONDS DIRECTLY AT THE MOST FAVORABLE RATE.
SO THE LAST TIME THE COUNTY WENT OUT TO ISSUE A MAJOR ISSUE OF BONDS, UH, WAS FROM THE TUCKO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
AND AT THAT POINT, THE COUNTY WAS NOT RATED, DID NOT HAVE A CREDIT RATING AND HAD TO GO THROUGH A STATE AGENCY AND POST SOME COLLATERAL.
AND THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THAT DEAL LOOK LIKE
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THIS TODAY.WE WERE ABLE TO GO OUT WITHOUT ANYONE'S HELP AND WITHOUT POSTING CASH COLLATERAL, AND THE DOCUMENTATION WITH THE AAA CREATING LOOKS LIKE THIS.
NOW WE WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL, UH, AUCTION.
WE, WE CHOSE AN AUCTION FORMAT.
UH, THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 11 DIFFERENT FIRMS THAT BID FROM OUR BONDS.
UM, THEY SUBMITTED A TOTAL OF 31 DIFFERENT BIDS AND, UH, THE WINNING BID CAME IN AT JUST A LITTLE OVER TWO AND A QUARTER PERCENT.
SO THE COUNTY ISSUED $50 MILLION A LITTLE OVER TWO AND A QUARTER PERCENT TODAY THIS MORNING.
AND, UH, SO AGAIN, THAT WAS A HISTORIC DAY FOR GOODSON COUNTY.
IT REPRESENTS NEW NEW LAWN THAT WE HAVEN'T MOWED BEFORE AND, UH, SET THE NEW, NEW STANDARD, A NEW BAR FOR THE COUNTY.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I'LL YIELD BACK THE REST OF MY TIME.
AND I THINK WE'D ALL BE REMISSED IF WE DID NOT, UH, COMMENT THAT A LOT OF OUR IS DUE TO OUR CITIZENS AND THEIR, THEIR WILLINGNESS TO PAY THEIR TAXES IN OUR FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE.
UM, WE WERE, UH, WE WERE HEARD FROM OUR TREASURER THAT, UH, WE'RE AT 98% COLLECTION, WHICH IS JUST FANTASTIC.
SO WE CAN'T DO THIS WITHOUT THE CITIZEN SUPPORT.
AND AT THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
[V. County Administrator's Comments]
I WANT IT TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF BLACK HISTORY MONTH.AND THIS SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 5TH, FROM 11 TO 2:00 PM, THE NAACP IN PARKS AND RECREATION WELCOME TROOPER GEORGE GRADY, SENIOR.
HE'S GOING TO PRESENT THE STORY OF THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS AND THE MEN WHO WERE FORMER SLAVES, FREEMAN, AND BLACK CIVIL WAR SOLDIERS.
IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND, UH, THERE, THERE'S NO CHARGE, UH, BE AT CENTRAL CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL AT 11, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE FOOD, UH, SERVED BY THE, UM, BRACE AND SMOKE, UM, FOOD TRUCK.
UM, SO ALSO WOULD LIKE, I SEEM TO BE DOING THIS EVERY MONTH IS CONGRATULATING SOMEBODY FROM OUR INSPECTION DEPARTMENT AND I LIKE TO CONGRATULATE, UH, CASEY LITTLE FIELD.
UH, HE WAS JUST APPOINTED CHAIRMAN OF THE STATE AMUSEMENT DEVICE, TECHNOLOGY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT IT'S GOT, UH, BUT AGAIN, IT SHOWS THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR SMALL GROUP.
UM, AND AS I TOLD HIM, UM, THEY THEY'RE SMALL, BUT THEY'RE BAD LIKE GIANTS AND THEY CARRY A BIG BAT.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR HELP LAST BUT NOT LEAST TONIGHT AS THE LAST DAY FOR SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON REDISTRICTING, WE HAD THE FINAL PRESENTATION TO THE COMMUNITY LAST NIGHT.
IT WAS A SMALL TEAM, BUT IT WAS A GREAT EFFORT.
UM, AND IT WILL STILL GO ON FOR A WHILE BECAUSE NOW WE TAKE ALL THE COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED AND WE PUT THEM TOGETHER.
AND ON THE 22ND, WE PRESENT TO THE BOARD, THE FINAL RESULTS.
UH, WE'VE RECEIVED SOME REQUESTS FOR CHANGES LAST NIGHT, BUT AS OF TONIGHT, WE CLOSED THE, THE CITIZEN COMMENTS BASICALLY ON THAT.
UH, BUT THE TEAM DID, DID GREAT WORK.
UM, IT'S NOT EASY TO TAKE ALL THIS DATA AND TRY TO CREATE SOME MAPS.
AND, UH, BUT I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE TEAM, UH, TERROR, UH, WENT AROUND AND DID ALL THE PRESENTATION AND SHE'S LIKE A, LIKE A VIDEOTAPE BECAUSE SHE CAN, YOU KNOW, I I'M ALWAYS WINGING IT, BUT TARA HAS HER NOTES AND SHE STICKS TO HER TO HER SCRIPT.
AND, UM, YOU COULD WATCH FIVE MINUTES OF ONE AND CATCH ON THE SIXTH MINUTE OR THE NEXT ONE AND YOU DON'T MISS A THING.
AND OF COURSE, JOANNE JONATHAN WORLEY FROM GIS, DIVIA GEORGE FROM GIS PAUL DRUM, RIGHT.
UM, RANDY, UM, BUZZARD, EVERYBODY REALLY DID I MISS ANYBODY? JOANNE, NO RYAN MULLIGAN RYAN MULLIGAN OR, UM, REGISTRAR.
SO IT WAS A GREAT EFFORT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S, EVERYBODY'S HELPING THAT AND THAT'S ALL MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, THE AGENDA HAS BEEN POSTED.
[VI. Requests to Postpone Agenda Items and Additions, Deletions or Changes in the]
ADDITIONAL REQUEST TO POSTPONE OR ADD, DELETE OR CHANGE? WE DID HAVE A REQUEST FROM AN APPLICANT WHITTEN TO DEFER PUBLIC HEARING.NUMBER ONE TO THE BOARD'S MARCH 1ST, 2020 SECOND AGENDA.
DO I HAVE ANY OTHER REQUESTS FOR AMENDMENTS AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, UM, YOU WILL ACTUALLY TAKE A DEEP EMOTION ON THE DEFERRAL AT THE TIME OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO ANNOUNCED THE RESIDENTS TODAY THAT A DEFERRAL MOTION'S BEEN MADE AND, AND REQUESTED, BUT YOU SHOULD ACT ON IT AT THE TIME THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEEN ADVERTISED.
UH, HE DID HAVE TONY TO TALK TO YOU.
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SEE ANY, UM, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? WE DON'T NEED AN APPROVAL.SO WE ALL KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
I WANT TO HEAR YOUR COMPLAINT LATER, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS.
ALL RIGHT NOW IS WE MOVE INTO OUR CITIZEN COMMON PERIOD.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO COME FORWARD AND
[VII. Citizen Comment]
SPEAK TO THE BOARD ON ANY ITEM IMPACTING GOOCHLAND COUNTY.UH, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, MR. SLOAN, IF YOU COULD PLEASE PRESS THE BUTTON ON THE BOTTOM AND TURN THE MIC ON.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, TARA, LISA, UH, I RISE TO SAY, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT'S BEEN DONE WITH THE BONDS.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK, ESPECIALLY SINCE 2011, IT'S BEEN A MIRACULOUS TIME.
UM, BUT I COME HERE NOT JUST TO PRAISE YOU.
I COME HERE REALLY TO STAY A COUPLE OF THINGS AND NOT TO RANT AND RAVE ABOUT THE WAR OF 1812 TAX WOULD, SHOULD BE A RACE FROM OUR BOOKS OR TO TALK ABOUT WHO THEY BEING FROM NASTY NATTY.
I AM, OR EVEN THE FOURTH RANKED, UH, BASKETBALL TEAM.
UH, WHAT I COME HERE IS FOR SOMETHING FAR MORE IMPORTANT, AND THAT IS, UM, TODAY'S A VERY SPECIAL DAY, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE BONDS AND ALL THE FINAL WORK HAS BEEN DONE BECAUSE OF BIRTHDAYS.
AND THERE ARE TWO BIRTHDAYS TODAY.
ONE IS A FORMER BOARD MEMBER AND THE OTHER ONE IS A SITTING BOARD MEMBER.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M NOT USING THE REMAINDER OF MY THREE MINUTES AND I'LL ASK ANYBODY ELSE TO JOIN IN AND SAY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU.
AND THAT HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, MR. SLOAN, THAT WAS OUTSTANDING.
WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT.
UM, AND FOR LISTENING TO MY RANT FOR THE NEXT THREE MINUTES, I AM MICHELLE EAMONN.
I LIVE ON DOGTOWN ROAD HERE IN GOSHEN COUNTY.
I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT SINCE 1995.
UM, BUT I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO JERSEY AFTER LIVING HERE.
UM, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT GOOCHLAND DAY AND HOW I FEEL THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD IT ONCE BEFORE OR A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE.
UM, SOMETIMES I DO KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
I PROBABLY DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I REMEMBER ONE OF THE FIRST, UM, YEARS THAT I ATTENDED A GUCCI AND DAY, IT WAS STILL WHEN IT WAS STILL HELD UP AT THE COURTHOUSE AREA AND HOW WELCOMING IT MADE ME FEEL TO BE A PART OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE ALL LOVE OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I'M, I'M SURE I CAN SAY THAT FOR EVERYBODY THAT WE LOVE OUR COUNTY.
UM, I VOLUNTEERED FOR, UH, TWO YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS STILL HELD UP AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THE OVERWHELMING RESPONSE THAT WE HAD FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS JUST AN HONOR TO WITNESS AND TO SEE, AND TO WATCH THESE PEOPLE INTERACT WITH ONE ANOTHER AND JUST HOW GOOD IT WAS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE TOGETHER AT ALL.
UM, I FEEL THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS TO LOOK AT AND HELP SUPPORT DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE GETTING SO MANY NEW PEOPLE IN.
AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT COMMUNITY WHAT THE COMMUNITY SHOWED ME WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE.
AND I THINK THAT'S BIG, A BIG PART OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY.
IF WE DO HAVE THAT, I HAPPEN TO BE A MEMBER OF THE, OF THE BOARD FOR GUCCI AND DAY.
I ALSO VOLUNTEER AT THE SHELTER.
I WORKED FOR THE COUNTY PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, AND I WOULD NOT BE IN ANY OTHER COUNTY IF, IF YOU PAID ME.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO MAKE WHEN I APPROACHED THE SPEAKER AND PEOPLE START LAUGHING.
UM, JOHN 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD, UH, I'M NOT GOING TO SING AND YOU CAN THANK ME LATER FOR THAT.
UM, I AM A MEMBER OF THE GOOCHLAND, UH, FARM BUREAU, UH, BOARD, AND ALSO THE MONICA SWOLLEN WATER CONSERVATION DIRECTORS.
ONE OF THE DIRECTORS IN THE I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TWICE, THREE TIMES, ACTUALLY THIS LAST TWO WEEKS AS THEY'VE BEGUN THEIR EFFORTS DOWN THERE.
AND ON THE AGRICULTURAL FRONT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT ARE BEING ADDRESSED DOWN THERE
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THAT I HOPE YOU WILL.AND I'M SURE MR. DRUMRIGHT IS KEEPING YOU APPRISED OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT SPECIFICALLY FROM FARM BUREAU, WE ARE ASKING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO SOMEWHAT PUSH THE PAUSE BUTTON AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS.
IF SOME OF THESE SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITIES ARE, ARE BEING PROPOSED AND PURSUED WITHIN THE COMMONWEALTH AND NOBODY'S EVER DECOMMISSIONED THE SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITY.
THOSE PANELS HAVE A LOT OF HEAVY METALS IN THERE.
UH, WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM AND HOW THEY ARE DISPOSED OF IS, IS REALLY AN UNANSWERED QUESTION.
AND SO, AS YOU FOLKS ARE LOOKING AT ORDINANCES THAT MAY IMPACT THE DIRECTION AND DEVELOPMENT OF SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITIES.
THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT THE FARM BUREAU WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU.
WE BELIEVE IN PROPERTY RIGHTS, WE BELIEVE THAT A LAND IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ATTEND TO AS, AS THEY CAN OR ARE ALLOWED TO.
BUT WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOME LARGER ISSUES THAT IN EFFECT AS THOSE FACILITIES ARE BEING LOOKED AT, UM, ALSO WAS PARTICIPATING TODAY, WHICH IS WHY I MISSED THE 1230 FINANCE COMMITTEE, UH, FOR TOURISM AND TOURISM IS A AREA I'VE WORKED FOR THE LAST 12, ALMOST 15 YEARS NOW.
AND, UH, IT IS ONE OF THOSE UNDER THE RADAR, UH, BUSINESSES THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE JUST HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT TOURISM HAS.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNTY AND I SPOKE WITH, UH, ONE OF THE EDA MEMBERS AS TO THE COUNTY BECOMING PART OF THE VIRGINIA TRAVEL LODGING RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION, THE VR LTA FOR ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
YOU GET HUGE NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES AND INSIGHTS AS TO HOW TOURISM CAN BE PART OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AGRITOURISM IN PARTICULAR IS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS ADDRESSING WHILE WE WERE DOWN THERE, I WILL SAY THERE'S ALSO SOME LEGISLATION AFOOT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COUNTY TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE REVENUES GENERATED BY A B AND B AND VACATION RENTAL BY OWNER PROPERTIES.
RIGHT NOW THE LEGISLATION ALLOWS TAX RECEIPTS COLLECTED BY THE INTERMEDIARIES TO BE SUBMITTED IN ONE LUMP SUM.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S PAYING WHAT, AND IT REALLY WOULD BE A PROTECTION TO THAT INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER TO HAVE THAT ITEMIZED AS TO WHERE THOSE, UH, UH, TOT OR OCCUPANCY TAXES ARE BEING COLLECTED.
I SAW THE LIGHT FLASH, SO I'M NOT GOING TO, UH, AND THERE YOU GO.
AND THAT WAS FROM MS. BECKA WAITS.
I STOPPED EXACTLY ON A RED LIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE? REPUBLICAN CITIZEN COUNT.
ALL RIGHT, I WILL CLOSE THE SYSTEM, COMMA PERIOD AND MOVE INTO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTE ITEMS BOARD, WHO
[VIII. Approval of Action Minutes]
YOU HAD THREE DIFFERENT, UH, ACTION MINUTES IN YOUR PACKET.HOPEFULLY YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW AT THIS TIME.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION CHAIRMAN.
WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR THREE JANUARY MEETINGS ALL ON THE SAME DAY, JANUARY 19TH, BUSY DAY SECOND.
THANK YOU, MR. LUMPKINS, MISS LAST GLUT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
WE WILL MOVE RIGHT ALONG INTO OUR REPORT SECTION AS ALWAYS.
WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE OUR RETAIL PARTNERS HERE.
[IX. Reports]
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. ALVAREZ.I'LL BE ISSUING THE REPORT TODAY
[1. 5273: VDOT - January 2022]
FOR V DOT.UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER OUR REPORT THAT WE'VE SENT IN.
UM, WE'VE HAD KIND OF A BUSY MONTH THIS PAST MONTH WITH STORMS. WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF DEBRIS CLEANUP.
UH, OUR DEBRIS EFFORTS CONTINUE ON ROUTE 64 IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
OUR PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ROUTES WITHIN THE COUNTY HAS ALSO, UH, BEGAN.
WE, THE CONTRACTOR WE WERE USING DID WITHDRAW WE'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF GETTING A NEW CONTRACTOR OUT THERE.
SO IT'S GONE, MIGHT PUT US BACK A WEEK OR MAYBE TWO ON OUR CLEANUP, BUT WE ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT DEBRIS REMOVED.
UM, OUR MAINTENANCE CREWS CONTINUE TO WORK, UM, PRIMARILY WORK THIS MONTH ON SNOW AND DEBRIS REMOVAL.
AS I JUST SPOKE OF, UM, WE, UH, STILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON POTHOLES, LOW SHOULDERS, UH, TREE AND LIMB REMOVAL, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
AND WE DID RE UH, RECEIVED 187 WORK REQUESTS.
THIS PAST MONTH COMPLETED 119.
UH, WE HAD SEVEN EMERGENCY AFTER OUR CALL OUTS THAT WE ADDRESSED ALSO.
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ABOUT ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.WE ARE CURRENTLY RESTOCKING OUR SALT BENDS AND OUR BRYAN TANKS IN CASE WE HAVE ANOTHER EVENT, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A BREAK.
WE'LL SEE, UH, DID SEE A LITTLE BLIP THIS MORNING ABOUT POSSIBLY SOME ICE THIS WEEKEND.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES WITH THAT.
UH, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR FROM HIS HOUSE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.
AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A TOUGH TIME, SPENT TOUGH TIME FOR EVERYONE AS FAR AS THE STORM IS CONCERNED.
SO CAN YOU GIVE ME JUST A GENERAL IDEA? I KNOW YOU'RE PICKING UP, UH, THE TREES AND THE BRUSH ON ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAYS SIDE OF THE ROAD, KIND OF HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHEN, HOW THAT'S GOING AND WHEN YOU THINK THAT BE DONE GOING VERY WELL.
UM, IF YOU'VE BEEN THROUGHOUT THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, THAT KIND OF STARTED IN THE WESTERN PART, UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS THE HEAVIEST DAMAGE.
UH, WE WERE ON TWO 50 AND ROUTE SIX WITH OUR CONTRACTOR.
UM, THEY REMOVED A PRETTY GOOD CHUNK OF THE DEBRIS OUT THAT WAY.
UH, LIKE I SAID, THEY HAVE BACKED OUT ON US, SO WE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF GETTING ANOTHER CONTRACTOR IN HERE.
UM, SOMEONE'S OUT AS WE SPEAK RIGHT NOW, LOOKING AT THE WORK.
SO HOPEFULLY BY NEXT WEEK, WE'LL HAVE THEM BACK IN PLAY.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE WORK I'VE DONE.
UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK AND, UM, AND, UM, A VERY CHALLENGING, CHALLENGING ENVIRONMENT.
UM, WE'VE ALL NOTICED THAT AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, WHEN YOU DO CUT THE TREE IS IT'S PRETTY MUCH RIGHT UP TO THE ASPHALT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M CARRYING THE TORCH HERE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT BE INSTEAD OF CUTTING IT AT THE ASPHALT TO KIND OF LIKE TWO FEET OVER? NOT RIGHT THERE AT A TIME WHEN THAT WAS CUT, WE HAD CUTTING DASH CREWS THAT WERE IN HERE CONTRACTS CAUSE WE WERE WORKING DURING THE ICE AND SNOW AND HAVING THEM JUST TO OPEN THE ROAD UP SO WE COULD GET TO PLOW THE ROAD.
UM, WE ARE GOING BACK NOW AND CUTTING SOME OF THAT STUFF BACK.
WE DID HAVE SOME CREWS IN RIGHT AFTER THAT EVENT AND TRIED TO MOVE SOME OF THAT MATERIAL BACK UNTIL WE COULD GET THAT TO CLEAN IT UP.
BUT WE HAVE NOTICED THAT WE HAVE SOME STUFF THAT'S OKAY.
HOW HARD WOULD IT BE TO HAVE IN THOSE CONTRACTS TO SAY, INSTEAD OF CUTTING IT HERE, CUT IT TWO FEET OVER JUST TO, JUST TO BUY A LITTLE BREATHING ROOM FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, IF NOTHING ELSE, AS LONG AS THEY'RE THERE AND THEY'RE CUTTING AND IT'S JUST AN EXTRA FOOT OR TWO, I MEAN, THERE'S THE PROBLEM RIGHT THERE.
AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO THAT AT ANY EFFORT.
I APPRECIATE A LITTLE BIT BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS, SO THANK YOU.
I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME THING.
I HAD RAISED THAT BACK IN JUNE.
I THINK IT WAS ABOUT, INSTEAD OF HAVING THESE, EVEN, EVEN IF THEY'RE SLASHING AND DASHING OR WHATEVER CALLED IT, UM, IT DOESN'T TAKE FIVE SECONDS TO REACH BACK TWO OR THREE FEET BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS, IF SOMEBODY IS COMING DOWN THE ROAD AND VEERS OVER THAT LINE, YOU'RE GOING IN AND A PASSENGER IS GOING TO BE DECAPITATED.
THOSE THINGS WOULD GO RIGHT THROUGH THE WINDOW AND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT TAKES THAT MUCH MORE EFFORT TO CUT BACK TWO OR THREE FEET FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAD TRAVELER TRAVELING.
DURING THE TIME THEY WERE, THEY WERE OUT CUTTING.
UM, WE DID REFERENCE TO, TO SOME OF THE CREWS MADE THEM COME BACK AND CUT SOME OF THAT STUFF BACK.
AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE WERE, WE'RE FINDING STUFF THAT DIDN'T GET CUT.
SO WE'RE HAVING TO GO OUT NOW AND OPEN IT UP SOME, BUT YEAH, I HEAR YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UH, EACH MONTH WE INTRODUCE OUR NEW COUNTY STAFF.
SO WE HAVE, UH, MS. SUTTON HERE TOO.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. ALVAREZ.
I'M MICHELLE SUTTON WITH THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT.
AND ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT TWO REHIRES THAT JOINED OUR TEAM DURING THE MONTH OF JANUARY MR. FISHER HERE TODAY, UM, DUE TO A POSITION VACANCY AND THE FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT, JORDAN FISHER WAS REHIRED AS A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC ON JANUARY 4TH.
HE PREVIOUSLY WORKED FOR GIBSON COUNTY IN THE SAME CAPACITY UNTIL SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2021.
HE BRIEFLY TOOK A POSITION WITH THE SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT BEFORE HE RETURNED TO GOOCHLAND MR. HARPER, UM, ON JANUARY 24TH, THE COUNTY WELCOME
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BACK RETIREE NORMAN HARPER AS A PART-TIME CUSTODIAN AND THE GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT, NORMAN PREVIOUSLY WORKED AS A FULL-TIME CUSTODIAN FOR 11 AND A HALF YEARS, UH, BEFORE HIS RETIREMENT IN JUNE OF 2021, PLEASE JOIN US IN WELCOMING OUR NEW STAFF.THIS CONCLUDES THE INTRODUCTION OF THE NEW COUNTY STAFF.
AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY BACK, EVERYBODY.
AND NOW, UH, WE'LL HAVE CHIEF FERGUSON AND GIVE US A REPORT OR A FIRE RESCUE.
[3. 5269: Fire-Rescue 02.01.2022]
MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.UH, CERTAINLY IF YOU RECEIVED THE REPORT THAT I HAVE SUBMITTED IN THE PACKET WITH THE ANNUAL, UH, CALL STATISTICS, AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME BECAUSE I KNOW IT HAD QUITE A BIT OF YOUR TIME ON JANUARY THE 19TH, TALKING ABOUT THE AFTERMATH OF THE SNOW STORM AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
UH, BUT JANUARY WAS A, UM, A BUSY MONTH OF FIRE RESCUE.
AND SO IT WAS 2021 YEAR 2021 WAS OUR BUSIEST YEAR ON RECORD.
UH, WE HAD A 22% INCREASE IN OUR EMERGENCY CALLS.
UH, WE FINISHED A YEAR UP WITH 3,843 CALLS COMPARED TO 3,158, UH, IN 2020 JANUARY, UH, WE'VE ANSWERED 420 CALLS COMPARED TO 245 LAST JANUARY.
OF COURSE WE KNOW THE SNOWSTORM NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THAT INCREASE, UH, TO THE POINT THAT IT IS.
BUT WE DID NOTICE ALSO THAT, UH, AMBULANCE TRANSPORTS CONTINUE TO BE ON THE RISE 209 FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY, DECEMBER WAS OUR BUSIEST MONTH PART OF THAT WITH 205.
SO IT CONTINUES TO, UH, CONTINUES TO CLIMB JUST A COUPLE OF SAFETY MESSAGES FOR THE CITIZENS.
UM, MOST OF THE ICE ON THE PONDS AND THE LAKES ARE STARTING TO MELT.
AND AFTER THE NEXT FEW DAYS, I THINK IT'LL BE PRETTY MUCH GONE, BUT JUST FROM A, UM, FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT, UH, IF WE HAVE MORE COLD WEATHER GOING FORWARD AND IT GETS BELOW FREEZING LIKE IT DID FOR THIS FEW DAYS, I JUST LIKE TO CAUTION EVERYONE AND ADULTS AND ALSO PARENTS TO KEEP AN EYE ON THINGS AND MAKE SURE NO ONE VENTURES OUT ONTO THE LAKE OR THE POND FOR ICE.
UH, VERY RARELY DOES IT EVER GET COLD ENOUGH HERE IN GOOCHLAND FOR ICE TO BE THICK ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THE WEIGHT.
UH, LAST WEEK WE DID A RESPOND, UM, IN THE VICINITY OF THE HERMITAGE COUNTRY CLUB FOR A DOG THAT HAD FALLEN THROUGH THE ICE.
UH, AND WE RESPONDED UH, TO THAT, BUT THERE WERE ALSO CITIZENS AND CIVILIANS IN BOATS TRYING TO RESCUE THE DOGS.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS COMBINED, UH, COULD MAKE FOR A SERIOUS SITUATION.
RESCUE WAS MADE BY THE CITIZENS AND THE DOG WAS BOUGHT SAFELY BACK TO THE SHORE, UH, PRIOR TO OUR ARRIVAL, BUT OUR WATER RESCUE UNIT, UH, DID MOBILIZE AND, AND HALLA FOR THAT.
UH, JUST WANT TO CAUTION EVERYONE, MAKE SURE YOUR CHIMNEYS ARE CLEAN.
UM, SURELY LOTS OF FOLKS IN THE COUNTY OF BURNING WOOD.
I KNOW, UM, I KNOW WE ARE IN CERTAINLY, UM, ASHES, FIREPLACE ASHES.
UH, EVERY YEAR WE SEE FIRES, UH, IN GOOCHLAND OR IN THE RICHMOND AREA WHERE SOMEONE HAS TAKEN THE ASHES UP OUT OF THEIR FIREPLACE OR STOVE AND PUT THEM IN A CONTAINER.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ALWAYS A METAL CONTAINER.
WE'VE SEEN THEM IN GROCERY BAGS OR PLASTIC BUCKETS.
AND IT'S AMAZING HOW LONG A FIREPLACE ASHES CAN HOLD HEAT.
UH, I WOULD GO SAYING, YOU KNOW, MANY DAYS, BUT PROBABLY WEEKS LATER, UH, ASHES THAT HAVE BEEN POURED AROUND THE EDGES OF FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HAVE STAYED SOMEWHAT CONCENTRATED AND COMPACTED, THE WIND STARTS BLOWING.
AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU EITHER HAVE A BRUSH, FIRE WILL FEEL FIRE OR WORSE.
UM, SOMEONE'S BACK PORCH, THE BACK DECKS ON FIRE.
NOW THE BACK OF THE HOUSE COULD BE ON FIRE.
SO PLEASE, UH, PLEASE CERTAINLY, UH, BE CAREFUL WITH, UH, THE CITIZENS WITH TAKEN UP THEIR ASHES AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMPLETELY DRENCHED WITH WATER BEFORE THEY'RE, UH, DISPOSED OF OR DISCARDED.
UH, CERTAINLY A FIRE RESCUE HAS SMOKE ALARMS. IF ANYONE NEEDS A SMOKE ALARM, UH, WE, WE HAVE THOSE AT NO COST.
UM, THE ROTARY JUST, UH, LAST FRIDAY MORNING GAVE US A NICE DONATION.
THAT'S GOING TOWARDS THE SMOKE ALARM FUND, WHERE WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SMOKE ALARMS AT NO COST TO OUR CITIZENS OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER WHO CALLS US AND NEEDS ONE COVID IS, UH, IT'S CERTAINLY STILL AROUND.
UM, WE ARE SEEING A COVID IN OUR WORKFORCE.
UH, LIKE MOST OTHER WORKFORCES ARE BOTH CAREER AND VOLUNTEER.
WE ALSO ARE SEEING COVID TRANSPORTS ARE ON THE RISE.
THERE WERE 38 PATIENTS THAT WE, UH, WE KNOW OR HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS OF SUSPECTED OF HAVING COVID, UM, IN JANUARY.
AND OF COURSE WE'VE GOTTEN BETTER AT THAT OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND WE KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THAT MORE EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY WHILE PROTECTING THEIR CREWS, BUT IT DOES, UH, IT DOES REQUIRE THE AMBULANCE TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE FOR EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME FOR DECONTAMINATION ONCE, ONCE IT ARRIVES BACK.
AH, SO SOMETHING, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT ALSO, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CONNECTION TO COVID.
UH, BUT WE'RE SEEING A ACUITY LEVEL OF EMS CALLS, UH, ON THE RISE.
IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT THE EMS CALLS BECAUSE OF PATIENT CONFIDENTIALITY AND HIPAA.
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SO WE RARELY DRILL DOWN INTO ANY RESEMBLANCE OF DETAILS FOR THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION HERE AT THE BOARD, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, LAST YEAR WE SAW AN UNUSUAL NUMBER OF CARDIAC ARREST IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE HAD A 77 CARDIAC ARREST IN 2021 COMPARED TO, UH, 49 IN 2020.AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE EIGHT SO FAR IN JANUARY.
AND SO THAT'S GOT THAT HAS THIS CONCERN.
AND CERTAINLY THERE WERE SOME OTHER CALLS THAT THANKFULLY DIDN'T DETERIORATE TO THAT POINT, BUT, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE THINK, UH, HAS IS RELATED TO THE PANDEMIC, A LOT OF THE HOSPITALS, UH, CONTINUE TO BE FULL.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, ODESSA OLD DOMINION EMS ALLIANCE, THEY COORDINATE THEIR COORDINATION CENTER, REGIONAL COUNCIL FOR FIRE AND EMS AND THE REGION.
AND THEY ACTUALLY COORDINATE WITH THE HOSPITALS, THE HOSPITAL DIVERSION PLAN.
AND WE HAD SPOKE TO YOU ALL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
UH, JUST KIND OF PUTTING YOU ON NOTICE AND THE CITIZENS THAT WE CAN'T ALWAYS TAKE, PATIENTS WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.
WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR YOUR HOSPITAL ASSIGNMENT.
AND SO WHAT'S BEEN DONE, UM, PRETTY MUCH THE PENDULUM HAS SWUNG AGAIN, 180 DEGREES AND WE'RE NOT, UM, THE REGION IS NO LONGER ASSIGNING, UH, HOSPITALS, TWO UNITS.
WE ALL HOSPITALS HAVE BEEN FORCED OPEN, UH, BECAUSE ALL WERE IN THAT BLACK DIVERSION STATUS.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, UH, WE, WE GO WHERE WE NEED TO GO, OR WE GO WHERE PROTOCOL TELLS US TO GO.
FOR EXAMPLE, STROKES, GO TO STROKE CENTERS, TRAUMATIC INJURIES, GO TO TRAUMA CENTERS AND CARDIAC, UH, WOULD CERTAINLY GO TO A FACILITY THAT HAS A CATH LAB.
SO WE ARE TRYING THAT AND SO FAR SO GOOD.
UM, OH, DEMPSA AND THE FIRE AND EMS AGENCIES IN THE REGION ARE IN CLOSE COORDINATION WITH ALL THE HOSPITALS IN THE ODESSA REGION.
AND WE'RE WATCHING THAT, BUT, UH, I KNOW THE HOSPITALS ARE STILL HAVING THEIR CHALLENGES JUST BECAUSE WE CHANGED THAT PRACTICE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN ANYTHING MAJORLY CHANGED AS FAR AS HOSPITAL CAPACITY AND STAFF AVAILABLE TO WORK, UH, HAPPY TO REPORT THE, UH, FEMA SAFER GRANT SAFER STANDS FOR STAFFING FOR ADEQUATE FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE, UH, THAT WE WRITE FOR VOLUNTEER RECRUITMENT.
EVERY TENSION WAS SUBMITTED ON TIME.
UH, THAT THAT GRANT IS DUE FEBRUARY.
THE FOURTH, WE SUBMITTED IT, UH, WELL OVER A WEEK AGO, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT, UH, THAT HELPS US OUT IF ALL GOES WELL.
AND, UH, THINKING BACK TO CHIEF GORDON'S PRESENTATION ON JANUARY THE 19TH, UH, THIS GRANT COULD GIVE US A SIZABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY OVER A FOUR-YEAR PERIOD TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN VOLUNTEERS.
IT WOULD COVER EVERYTHING FROM TURNOUT GEAR TO MEDIA MARKETING SALARY OF PART-TIME SALARY FOR A RECRUITER, UH, THAT COULD ALSO ASSIST ON THE CAREER SIDE AS WELL, UH, AS WELL AS INCENTIVES WHERE EXISTING MEMBERS.
SO WE'RE HOPING A THAT'S GOING TO BE FUNDED.
WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL PROBABLY AUGUST OR OCTOBER, KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED.
THE FIRE ACADEMY JUST RECENTLY FINISHED.
WE HAVE A SMALL GRADUATION CEREMONY AND ALSO A 2022 OFFICER INSTALLATION CEREMONY FOR FRIDAY EVENING, THAT COMPANY FIVE.
UM, AND THE DEPARTMENT IS STARTING TO LOOK AT OUR NEXT ISO EVALUATION, UH, INSURANCE SERVICES OFFICE, WHERE WE GET THE RATING, UH, WHICH HAS AN IMPACT ON CITIZENS, FIRE, INSURANCE, HOMEOWNERS, INSURANCE, AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND WE ARE STARTING TO TAKE STEPS TO START A PRE EVALUATION ASSESSMENT, TO SEE HOW WE'RE DOING, HOW THINGS STACK UP, GET OUR PRESENTATION IN ORDER, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
SO THAT'S ALL ON SCHEDULE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS TO SEE HOW THINGS SHAKE OUT WITH THAT.
I'D LIKE TO, UM, JUST SAY THAT THE VOLUNTEER ASSOCIATION INC IS TAKING THE MONUMENTAL STEP.
UH, THEY'VE HIRED AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WHO STARTED TODAY, MR. MARTIN DEAN.
AND, UH, THE ASSOCIATION HAS RECOGNIZED THAT, UH, FIVE OF THE FIRE STATIONS ARE ASSOCIATION OWN ASSETS AND, UH, THEY ALL ARE IN NEED OF SOME SORT OF A REPAIR AND UPDATES.
AND I KNOW, UH, MR. DEAN IS, IS WORKING ON THAT ALONG WITH SOME OTHER THINGS, OTHER BUSINESS ASPECTS FOR THE ASSOCIATION, WHICH SHOULD ALSO BE A GOOD THING FOR THE VOLUNTEER SIDE OF THE ORGANIZATION.
AND WE ALWAYS NEED VOLUNTEERS.
IF ANYONE WANTS TO VOLUNTEER, UH, CONTACT OUR FIRE RESCUE OFFICE AT 8 0 4 5 5 6 5 3 0 4, OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE BECAUSE WE TAKE APPLICATIONS, UH, YEAR ROUND.
AND WITH THAT, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S MY REPORT.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
YOU KNOW, YOUR EQUIPMENT IS EXPENSIVE, SO WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING JUST IN CASE YOU WEREN'T AWARE.
UM, SO WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING CARE OF IT.
ON SATURDAY, LATE MORNING, I WAS DRIVING BY STATION SIX AND IT WAS 29 DEGREES AND THE GUYS ARE OUT THERE CLEANING THE FIRETRUCKS.
SO JUST THANK YOU FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT EQUIPMENT.
AND UH, WE DO TRY TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF IT AND IT IS EXPENSIVE.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO THE IMAGE OF THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT AND IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, WHEN WE TRAVEL OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION, WHEREVER WE MAY GO.
AND SO, UH, WE DO TRY TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF THAT BECAUSE
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THE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE JUST, WE'RE COMING AT AN ERA OF TIME WHERE THE EQUIPMENT, UH, HAD BECOME AGED AND WE HAVE A LOT OF NICE RESOURCES IN PLACE.AND, UH, WE, WE APPRECIATE THOSE.
AND TO THE CITIZENS FOR MAKING THOSE POSSIBLE, I ASKED IF THEY NEEDED HELP.
SO I DON'T WANT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MIGHT NEED SOME HOT WATER.
THEY KEEP THE ICE FROM FORMING ON THE RAMP.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
BOARD, WE HAVE OUR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORT AND OUR ACCOUNTS PAYABLE REPORT IN YOUR PACKET.
[4. 5259: Planning and Development Activity]
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THOSE REPORTS? MS. CHAIRMAN, QUICK QUESTION.UM, FOR MS. SHERRY, COULD YOU HELP ME JUST LOCATE THE APPLICATION BY TACO CREEK PARTNERS, LLC REQUESTING 56 ACRE REZONING? IS THAT AT THE CORNER OF WHIPPOORWILL AND BROAD STREET? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT WHICH ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? I'M SORRY, THE ONE IT'S ON PAGE 72 OF OUR PACKET AND IT'S DISTRICT FOUR IT'S, UH, IT'S KNOW, JUST IN THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY PART.
SO, UH, DISTRICT FOUR, UM, APPLICATION BY TUCKAHOE CREEK PARTNERS, LLC REQUESTING A REZONING OF 56 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD RN TO RESIDENT ARPAD AND BUSINESS GENERAL WITH PROFIT CONDITIONS ON WIPRO ROAD.
IS THAT AT THE CORNER OF WHIPPOORWILL AND BROAD ON THE SOUTH WEST CORNER? YES, IT IS.
IT IS ACTUALLY, IF YOU'RE ON WHAT THE WALL ROAD IS ACTUALLY TO THE PROPERTY, TO THE EAST, UH, THE GILMAN PROPERTY, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO, UM, THE RESULTING CASE TONIGHT, THERE IS THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE NORTH OF THAT.
THERE'S ANOTHER LITTLE PIECE OF THAT, RIGHT.
I THINK, I THINK, UM, DO YOU NEED ME TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BETTER? SO AT THE, UM, SO AS YOU, UM, ENTER ONTO WHIP, WELL, FROM A BROAD STREET ROAD, IT WOULD BE ON THE LEFT SIDE, BEHIND THE RESIDENCES.
SO IT WOULD BE TO THE EAST TO THE YES.
I KNOW WE HAVE SOME THINGS TONIGHT AND I WAS HEARD ABOUT THIS, BUT I ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THE TREES, WHERE THE TREES ARE KNOCKED DOWN, BUT IT'S NOT IT'S MOTEL.
THANK YOU FOR GETTING ME ORIENTED ON THAT ONE.
ALL RIGHT, THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND WITH OUR INDIVIDUAL BOARD REPORTS STARTING ON THE END, MR. WATKINS, ANYTHING
[6. Board Reports]
LATER THIS WEEK, WE HAVE YOUR MIC, PLEASE.LATER THIS WEEK WE HAVE TPO, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THAT FRONT, BUT I'LL HAVE ONE NEXT MONTH FROM THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION, WHICH MEETS THURSDAY.
UH, NO, I JUST ATTENDED THE FIRST PLAN VA MEETING AND, UH, THE ONLY THING WE DISCUSSED WAS MOVING THEIR OFFICE.
LEARNED ALL ABOUT COMMERCIAL LEASING, HUH? YES.
I GET MY LICENSE NOW THIS LAST NIGHT.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE, UH, FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE MET THIS MORNING AND, UH, UH, IN ADDITION TO GOING THROUGH THE BOND ISSUANCE, THAT WAS, THAT TOOK PLACE THIS MORNING.
WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE SECOND QUARTER UPDATE, UM, WHICH WE'LL BE HEARING, UH, LATER ON.
AND WE ALSO, UH, CONSIDERED THE THREE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY FOR BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS.
AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THAT COMMITTEE WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD DURING THE CONSENT AGENDA DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON, UM, FROM MY FRIEND CBTA, UH, NOT TOO MUCH TO REPORT.
THE LAST MEETING WAS CANCELED.
HOWEVER, I DID GET A CALL FROM, UM, MR. FRANK THORNTON, THE CHAIR WHO ASKED MYSELF AND PATRICIA PAGE TO, UH, STEP BACK IN AND LEAD THE SEARCH FOR AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UM, FOR THE CVTS.
SO WE'LL BE MEETING NEXT WEEK TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M VERY HONORED THAT THEY WOULD ASK US TO GET THE FIRST EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE HAVE A LOT OF PRACTICE.
SO THAT'S IT FOR THAT PROMPTS, A QUESTION IS THAT, DOES THERE ANY MORE INFORMATION ON, ON THE SHARING OF RESOURCES BETWEEN THE TPO AND THE CBTA THE RECOMMENDATION COMING OUT OF THE PERSONNEL COMMITTEE PREVIOUSLY WAS THE BRINGING OUT OF AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE.
THEY WOULD WORK UNDER THE UMBRELLA FOR LEGAL PURPOSES PER POLICIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, IN THE, IN THE INTER IN THE BEGINNING.
AND THEN AS THAT DIRECTOR COMES ON AND THEY CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY FEEL LIKE COMPLETELY SEPARATING, UM, IS WARRANTED.
THE SECOND PHASE OF THAT WOULD BRING IT, IT
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WOULD BE TO BRING ON ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT AND THEN A POTENTIAL STAFF PERSON.BUT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PERSONNEL COMMITTEE WAS TO GET THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IN THERE FIRST TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE WORKLOAD GOING TO BE? THE QUESTIONS THAT DRIVE THAT ARE, IS THIS GOING TO BE A PAY AS YOU GO ORGANIZATION? OR THERE ARE THEY GOING TO TRY TO BE A BOND ISSUING ORGANIZATION, UM, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A LOT MORE OVERSIGHT AND MANAGEMENT.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE, THE PERSONNEL COMMITTEE DOESN'T HAVE THAT ANSWER.
CBT HASN'T MADE THAT DECISION YET.
SO WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHICH, WHICH ROLE NEEDS TO BE FILLED.
MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS TO REVIEW AND MR.
[X. Consent Agenda]
ALVAREZ WILL TAKE US THROUGH THAT.THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS A RESOLUTION AMENDING
[1. 5261: Resolution amending the Fiscal Year 2022 Goochland County Budget by]
THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 BUDGET BY BUDGETING AND APPROPRIATING $80,000 IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND FOR THE PURCHASE OF LAND FOR THE DISTRICT TO FIRE STATION, WE ALREADY HAVE SOME MONEY ALLOCATED, UH, THIS WILL COMPLETE THE AMOUNT WE NEED TO PURCHASE THE LAND.THE SECOND ITEM IS A RESOLUTION AMENDING THAT THE 2022, UH, BUDGET BY BUDGETING AND APPROPRIATING 200,000 IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS FOR THE FIREFLY BROADBAND.
THIS IS OUR COMMITMENT TO THE FIRST PART OF THAT PROJECT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR WHERE WE GET SOME FUNDING FROM THE STATE LIBRARY OF VIRGINIA LIBRARY OF VIRGINIA.
AND THIS MONEY GOES TO THE CIRCUIT COURT CLERK TO HELP WITH DIGITIZING AND, UM, UPDATING RECORDS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OR THANK YOU, MR. RODRIGUEZ, ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE? AND I WAS FROM TRAVIS.
I THINK A COUPLE OF THESE CAME AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.
ALL THREE HAVE SAID, THANK YOU.
BUT WE'RE, UM, CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT THREE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS PRESENTED.
UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. DRUMRIGHT ON THE SECOND ITEM, MR. HUNT, CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY? I, I SEEM TO RECALL AND I APOLOGIZE.
I HAVE, DID NOT LOOK BACK AT THE NUMBERS, BUT I KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE APPROPRIATED INITIAL $500,000 OR MAYBE IT WAS MAYBE IT WAS APPROVED, BUT NOT APPROPRIATE.
THAT THAT TOOK THE THREE TO $2.8 MILLION COMMITMENT TO MORE OF THE 3.4.
BUT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT SORT OF A 3.6, ARE MY NUMBERS OFF, OR, UH, I BELIEVE YOU COULD TELL ME YOUR NUMBERS MAY BE OFF.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE, YOU MAY BE GETTING THE, UH, $500,000 AMOUNT FROM PERFECT.
SO, UH, FOR PERSPECTIVE RIGHT NOW, UH, WE HAVE $200,000 THAT WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD TO BUDGET INAPPROPRIATE.
UH, THAT IS PART OF THE $3.6 MILLION, UH, SHARE THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED TO FOR THE RISE REGIONAL INTERNET, UH, SERVICE EXPANSION PROJECT THROUGH FIREFLY WITH, UH, DOMINION, ENERGY, RAPPAHANNOCK, ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE, ANSETT, VIRGINIA ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE.
UM, AND SO THAT TAKEN OUT THAT 200,000, IT WOULD PUT IT DOWN TO 3.4 IS THE COMMITMENT, AND WE WILL BE COMING BACK FOR THAT AMOUNT AT A LATER BOARD MEETING POTENTIALLY NEXT MONTH.
BUT WHERE I THINK WHAT THE CONFUSION IS, AND THIS IS GOING TO GO BACK TO 2020.
SO IN 2020, WE APPLIED FOR THIS RECONNECT APPLICATION OR FIREFLY APPLIED FOR THIS RECONNECT APPLICATION.
WE SUPPORTED THEIR APPLICATION AS WELL AS THEN WE APPLIED FOR A VADI GRANT.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE AGREED FOR THE RECONNECT TO DO A 200,000 MATCH UP TO $200,000 MATCH.
WE AGREED FOR THE VADI APPLICATION AS WELL THAT WE DID WITH THEM A $200,000 MATCH, SAME, SAME PROJECT AREA, EVERYTHING, AS YOU MAY RECALL.
SO IT WAS OUR THOUGHT BACK THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET ONE.
AND SO WE, WE HAD THERE THAT'S $400,000 COMMITMENT OVER THOSE TWO, BUT THE INTENTION WAS WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE PAYING IT ALL OUT, BOTH BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET ONE OF THE OTHER ADD IN THE OTHER BODY GRANT THAT WE DID BACK THEN AT 2 20 20, WHICH WOULD PORT 80 IN WHICH WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING IT NOW THAT HAD A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR MATCH.
SO THAT GETS YOU TO YOUR $500,000.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE IT IS, BUT OUR COMMITMENT IS THE 3.6 AND THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD PASSED IN SEPTEMBER.
PAID RESOLUTION SAYING UP TO THAT AMOUNT, 3.6
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AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT FIREFLY HAD BEEN WORKING ON AS THEY'RE WORKING TO ACTUALLY FIND LICENSE GRANT INTO, GET UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE STATE WITH FADI FOLKS, HAS THAT LISTED AS 3.6.THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER, IF I MAY QUICK, QUICK, QUICK, AND THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR THE CLERK AND I'LL CERTAINLY TAKE IT OUT WITH A CLERK, BUT ON FINANCE DEPARTMENT, DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW ANY DETAILS ABOUT THE $14,000 LIBRARY OR VIRGINIA GRANT? DO YOU KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE USED? IT'S YEAH, IT'S USED FOR PRESERVING AND DIGITAL DIGITIZING.
SO I THINK IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR, UM, THE DEED BOOKS, THE OLD ONES TO GET RE BOUND AND RE, UM, T TWO-PRONG.
NOW DON'T TAKE A LOT OF TIME ON IT, JUST SUCH A SMALL ITEM, BUT TWO PRONGS TO THIS.
SO THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, CORRECT? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE GET EVERY YEAR? WE JUST DON'T BUDGET ON IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE.
IT'S ALWAYS A DIFFERENT AMOUNT.
SO SHE HAS TO APPLY FOR IT EACH YEAR.
SHE FINDS OUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO REDO THIS BOOK IN THIS BOOK.
AND THEN SHE APPLIES FOR THAT AND GOT IT.
BUT I THINK THE OTHER REASON IS IN MY DAY JOB, I CAN GET A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE GOING TO GOOCHLAND AND THEY SAY, I HAVE TO PHYSICALLY GO TO GOOCHLAND BECAUSE IT DON'T, THE INDEX IS ONLY GO BACK TO X OR THAT STUFF ONLY GOES BACK TO X.
SO I WAS WONDERING JUST ALLIES TO QUIT, BUT I'M WONDERING IF THEY ARE GOING BACK FURTHER BECAUSE ONCE SOMETHING'S DIGITIZED, THE THING IS IF YOU'RE GETTING MORE MONEY, I WOULD THINK HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING BACK IN TIME TO DIGITIZE MORE.
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THIS IS JUST FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE VERY OLDEST BOOKS SO THAT THEY DON'T, I'M NOT EVEN DIGITIZING THE CORRECT.
CORRECT, BUT, BUT SHE CAN COME SPEAK TO THEM.
SO THERE'S MONEY AND THERE'S MS. ROCKER, AND THIS IS NOT, THERE'S NO LOCAL FUNDS AND THIS IS ALL CORRECT.
IT'S NOT, THERE ARE NO LOCAL FUNDS, NO MATCH.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THESE THREE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS PRESENTED, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE POSTS INSTEAD OF GENDER PASSES.
ARE WE ALL RIGHT TO CONTINUE ON BOARD?
[XI. New Business]
GOOD.SO NOW WE HAVE, UM, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, C Y 21
[1. 5268: Economic Development CY21 Report]
REPORT PULLED UP HERE.IT'S HAVING A LITTLE DIFFICULTY, BUT I GOT IT.
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, CHAIRMAN MR. ALVAREZ.
I AM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR FOR GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
I WORK WITH OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES AND I'M HERE TODAY WITH MY COWORKER, CASEY.
VERBERG WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THE CALENDAR YEAR 2021 REPORT.
IT IS NOT AS EASY AS IN BOND ISSUANCES, BUT WE WILL DO OUR BEST HERE TODAY.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, BEN SALONE AND KENNY CALL YOU ARE HERE IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, SO THEY ARE HERE IN SUPPORT AND, UM, I'M SURE THE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE WITH THE EDA.
UM, I WILL ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT CASEY WILL BE JUMPING UP, UM, TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF TAG TEAM THIS REPORT HERE.
SO FIRST I JUST WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU OF THE VISION THAT, UH, WAS ADOPTED WITH THE 2019 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE MISSION OF OUR DEPARTMENT HERE.
AND YOU WILL SEE THESE FOUR ITEMS ARE KIND OF INTERTWINED THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, JUST REAL QUICK, HERE ARE SOME MEMBERSHIP AND BOARDS THAT WE ARE A PART OF.
UH, WE'RE VERY INVOLVED WITH THE GOOCHLAND, UH, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UH, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARDS AND COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE ASSOCIATIONS AND INTO SOME MORE FUN STUFF.
HERE IS THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT FOR YEAR 2021.
YOU WILL NOTICE IT AS OFF THE CHARTS, UH, 2020, UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO COVID, UH, WAS NOT VERY HIGH, BUT 2021 IS COMING IN AND AROUND 133 MILLION.
AND THAT INCLUDES 70 MILLION OF AVERY POINT, UM, A LOT OF CAPITAL ONE UPFITS WHERE THEY ARE CONTINUING TO REDO THEIR OFFICES, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE COVID APPROPRIATE AND SAFE.
UM, ADVANCED AUTO OAK HILL APARTMENTS CAME IN AND AROUND 38 MILLION, THE BROAD MILLS MEDICAL OFFICE
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AND THE CREEK MORE MEDICAL OFFICE IS ALL INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER.THERE HERE'S A SLIDE SHOW IN THE ASSESSED VALUATION.
YOU WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS FROM, UM, MARIANNE DAVIS, UM, AND YOUR NEXT PRESENTATION.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST POINT OUT HERE IS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HOLD STEADY, UM, ON OUR COMMERCIAL VALUATION, WE HAVE BEEN DROPPING.
UM, SO WE HELD STEADY FROM LAST YEAR.
AND, UM, WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CASEY, WHO IS GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR COMMERCIAL LANDS STATISTICS.
GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M CASEY VERBERG AND I'M OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR FOR NEW BUSINESS DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, AND AS SARAH MENTIONED, I'M GOING TO KIND OF DIVE INTO OUR NEW BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
AND FIRST UP IS OUR T TOTAL COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO THIS IS LOOKING AT VACANT AND OCCUPIED, BUT TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE COUNTY OVER THE LAST 11 YEARS.
SO THERE HAS BEEN A POSITIVE GROWTH WITH THE BIGGEST GROWTH COMING IN THAT RETAIL AREA, BUT YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ALSO BEEN A BIG INCREASE IN THE 11 YEARS IN OUR INDUSTRIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN THESE ARE VACANCY RATES CURRENTLY, UM, FOR Q4 OF 2021.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE VACANCY RATES LISTED.
UM, YOU CAN SEE FOR THE COUNTY, THEY ARE RELATIVELY LOW, WHICH YOU WOULD HOPE WOULD BE GOOD.
THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY ARE THIS LOW, IT MEANS WE HAVE NOWHERE TO PUT ANY NEW EXHIBIT NEW BUSINESS THAT IS LOOKING TO COME INTO THE COUNTY.
WE PRACTICALLY HAVE NO SPACE TO PUT ANYBODY.
WE MIGHT HAVE ONE OR TWO SPACES ON THE MARKET.
UH, THE LARGEST CONTIGUOUS SQUARE FOOTAGE WE HAVE ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 8,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT IS IN LIKE MID POINT INDUSTRIAL PART.
SO THE MORE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY THAT DOESN'T HAVE WATER SEWER OR BROADBAND AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT IS COMING.
UM, AND SO THIS IS OUR UNEMPLOYMENT AND LABOR FORCE.
UM, SO IT KIND OF LIKE, YEAH, FOLLOW ME HERE.
UM, SO THE RED, GREEN AND YELLOW IS OUR, UM, IS OUR UNEMPLOYMENT RATE.
SO THAT'S GOING TRENDING DOWN, WHICH IS A REAL POSITIVE THING.
SO RIGHT NOW OUR CURRENT UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS 2.3%, WHICH IS A VERY HEALTHY NUMBER.
THE ORANGE LINE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE LABOR FORCE.
SO WE WANT THAT NUMBER GOING UP BECAUSE THAT TELLS US THAT OUR LABOR FORCE IS GROWING.
MEANING MORE PEOPLE ARE ENTERING THE LABOR FORCE, UM, AND GETTING JOBS.
SO WHAT HAPPENED DURING COVID, WHICH HAS KIND OF TO BE EXPECTED IS OUR LABOR FORCE DROPPED.
WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP LOSING 3.2% OF OUR LABOR FORCE DURING COVID.
UM, SO THAT'S ABOUT 250 PEOPLE OR SO, UM, DURING COVID LEFT OUR LABOR FORCE AND THAT'S DUE TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, PEOPLE TAKING RETIREMENT PACKAGES EARLY, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN OLDER, UM, AN OLDER POPULATION, AS WELL AS PARENTS LEAVING THE WORKFORCE DUE TO UNSTABLE CHILDCARE SITUATIONS, UM, KIDS CONSTANTLY GETTING EXPOSED TO COVID AND HAVING TO GO REMOTE, ET CETERA, AND NOT HAVING CHILDCARE BACKUP.
SO UNEMPLOYMENT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, HERE ARE OUR NUMBERS OVER 20 18, 20 19, 20, 20 AND 21.
UM, SO WE DO STAY RELATIVELY LOW.
AS I MENTIONED, OUR CURRENT UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBER IS 2.3%, WHICH IS MUCH LOWER THAN THE RICHMOND METRO, THE STATE AND THE UNITED STATES AS A WHOLE.
AND THIS IS A REAL POSITIVE SLIDE.
WE DO HAVE A POSITIVE NET NEW JOBS IN THE COUNTY.
SO WHILE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ENTERING THE WORKFORCE IS LOWER.
WE DO HAVE MORE NEW JOBS GETTING CREATED IN THE COUNTY.
SO OUR COMPANIES ARE GROWING AND THEY ARE ADDING NEW JOBS INTO THEIR, UM, INTO THE COMPANIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THOSE NEW JOBS HAVE COME IN INDUSTRIES LIKE FINANCE AND INSURANCE CONSTRUCTION, THE MANAGEMENT OF COMPANIES AND HEALTHCARE.
SO ALL IN THOSE TARGET INDUSTRY SECTORS THAT WE ARE WORKING TO GROW WITHIN THE COUNTY AS WELL, AND THEN AVERAGE ANNUAL WAGES.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW IS GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
WE ARE MUCH, MUCH HIGHER THAN THE METRO AND THE STATE.
UM, OUR AVERAGE ANNUAL RATES RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 1 0 1.
UM, WHEREAS THE RICHMOND AND, UM, THE METRO AND THE STATE ARE JUST OVER OR JUST ABOUT $60,000.
AND THEN THESE ARE OUR FOUR STRATEGIC PLANS.
AS SARAH HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR FOUR GOALS IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON GOAL ONE, WHICH IS REALLY FOCUSED
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ON OUR NEW BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.SO IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, WE LIST OUT A TOTAL OF 21 STRATEGIES FOCUSED ON NEW BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE 21 STRATEGIES.
UM, WE'VE COMPLETED 17 OF THEM AND WE HAVE FOUR UNDERWAY, WHICH, UH, ROUGHLY IS ABOUT 81% TO 19 OF THE COMPLETED STRATEGIES.
SOME OF THOSE ARE, UM, CREATING A RESOURCE PROFILE.
WE'VE ENGAGED WITH OUR RESOURCE PARTNERS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND OUR WORKFORCE.
WE'VE DEFINED A COUNTY INCENTIVE PROGRAM.
UM, WE'RE MANAGING STATE INCENTIVES WHEN WE'VE OFFERED THEM TO COMPANIES.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE PARTICIPATED IN CONFERENCES TO PROMOTE THE COUNTY BETTER AS WELL AND CREATING MARKETING MATERIALS FOR OUR TARGETED INDUSTRY SECTORS.
AND THEN WHEN WE BREAK OUT OUR NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LEADS, WE, UM, IN 2019 WE HAD 31 TOTAL PROJECTS.
SIX CAME FROM THE EDP IN 2020, WE HAD 34 PROJECTS.
UM, 12 CAME FROM VDP AND THEN THIS LAST YEAR WE HAD 31 PROJECTS IN SEVEN, CAME FROM THE EDP.
SO WE ARE KIND OF KEEPING THAT STEADY NUMBER OF NEW PROJECTS AND THEN 2021, OUR NEW BUSINESSES THAT CAME TO THE COUNTY.
UM, THE BIGGEST ONE THAT HAD WAS, UM, AVERY POINT, UM, AT $70 MILLION, WE IN GREENSVILLE GROWERS, UM, WHICH IS OUR HYDROPONIC FACILITY OFF OF HOCKETT ROAD AT 17 MILLION AND TUCKAHOE PINES CAME IN AT 30 MILLION ALONG WITH ADVANCED AUTO WEEDED AND WT CURTIS.
ALL OF THESE HAVE COME IN IN THE LAST 12 OR SO MONTHS.
AND THEN THESE ARE OUR 20, 21 NEW BUSINESSES AND BUSINESS EXPANSIONS.
UM, SO JUST TO NAME A FEW OF THEM, YOU CAN SEE THEM LISTED THERE.
WE HAVE ROCKVILLE GRANITE, UH, RASTA, WICK, UH, MARTIN MARIETTA SPORTS PAGE, RESTAURANT, COURTHOUSE, CREEK CIDERY AND BOWEN SPARROW.
ONCE AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS OR SO.
AND AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO SARAH AND SHE'S GOING TO DIVE INTO, UM, EXISTING BUSINESSES, JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
UM, WT CURTIS IS ACTUALLY AN EXISTING BUSINESS AND THEY MOVED OUT OF A HOME-BASED OCCUPATION AND BUILT A BRAND NEW BUILDING HERE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
UM, SO MOVING INTO, UM, THE GOAL NUMBER TWO, TO EXPAND AND RETAIN, UM, EXISTING BUSINESSES, UH, WE'VE COMPLETED ABOUT 50% OF THOSE GOALS.
AND, UH, THAT IS MOSTLY DUE TO DELAY DUE TO COVID.
A LOT OF THOSE INITIATIVES ARE, UM, MEETINGS AND LARGER FACE-TO-FACE INTERACTIONS, THINGS LIKE BUSINESS ROUND TABLE EVENTS AND, UM, HOSTING IN PERSON BUSINESS TRAININGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO HOPEFULLY IN 2022, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, TO MOVE THAT ITEM A LITTLE BIT FORWARD.
UM, HERE'S SOME BUSINESS INTERACTIONS WE'VE HAD IN 2021.
WE HAD 37 BUSINESS VISITS, UM, ALONG WITH THAT CAME 158 IN DEPTH BUSINESS ASSISTANCE OUT OF THOSE VISITS, UM, 3,340 BUSINESS TOUCHES.
WE WERE ABLE TO MAIL 1,240 LETTERS, UM, TO OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES TO INTRODUCE OUR DEPARTMENT, UM, AND LET THEM KNOW SOME, UM, OPPORTUNITIES THAT OUR DEPARTMENT HAS FOR THEM, UH, 55 TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THEN, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET, UM, NEW CITIZEN WELCOME PACKETS, WHICH FEATURE 28 GOOCHLAND BUSINESSES INTO THE HANDS OF 272 NEW CITIZENS.
SO WHILE I'M OUT MEETING WITH BUSINESSES, UM, I ALWAYS TELL THEM EVERYTHING THEY TELL ME IS CONFIDENTIAL.
AND WHAT I DO IS I AGGREGATE, UM, MOST OF THEIR INFORMATION AND KIND OF LUMP THEM INTO SOME BROAD CATEGORIES SO I CAN REPORT OUT SO WE CAN SEE KIND OF WHERE THE ISSUES ARE.
UM, AND SO THESE WERE CHALLENGES AND THEN REQUESTED ASSISTANCE OR THINGS THAT, UM, I WAS ACTUALLY ABLE TO HELP THEM WITH.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF THEM IS WORKFORCE AND PERMIT GUIDANCE.
UM, BUSINESS EXPANSION WAS ANOTHER ONE.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT JUST NECESSARILY A PHYSICAL EXPANSION OF THE BUSINESS, BUT ALSO MAYBE GETTING THEM INTO, TO SOME NEW MARKETS THAT THEY WEREN'T IN, UM, BEFORE, UM, A LOT OF ISSUES WITH SUPPLY CHAIN, UM, OUR NEW VENDORS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, AND THEN COVID IS STILL ON THE LIST.
UM, THINKING BACK TO EARLY 20, 21, THERE WAS STILL SOME LOCKDOWNS, UM, STILL SOME DIFFERENT GOVERNOR ORDERS COMING OUT.
UM, SO THERE WAS STILL SOME ASSISTANCE PROVIDED IN THAT NATURE.
AND WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO GET, UH, 50 BUSINESSES CONNECTED WITH THE, UM, COVID VACCINATION CLINICS THAT YOU'RE JUST PUT ON OVER THE SUMMER.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN
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THIS.SO HERE'S SOME COMMON FEEDBACK THAT I HEARD AND I'M, LIKE I SAID, IT JUST KIND OF BROKE IT DOWN INTO SOME BROAD CATEGORIES OF, FOR YOUR, UM, UNDERSTANDING HERE.
I JUST JUST MENTIONED WAS EARLIER ON IN 2021, UH, UNIVERSAL BROADBAND.
UM, I HEARD A LOT AND I KNOW, UH, THE BOARD IS WORKING VERY HARD TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO I'M HOPING THAT THAT WILL FALL OFF IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
UM, LACK OF QUALIFIED WORKERS, UM, CUMBERSOME STATE REGULATIONS, A LOT TO DO WITH WORKING WITH, UM, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, THE ASHLAND ROAD INTERCHANGE.
WHEN I MEET WITH A LOT OF BUSINESSES ALONG THE ASHLAND ROAD CORRIDOR, THEY ALWAYS ASKED ME THAT'S THEIR NUMBER ONE CONCERN.
AND MY RESPONSE IS ALWAYS WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
WE'RE WORKING ON IT VERY HARD.
AND I KNOW, UM, THE BOARD AND STAFF HAVE THAT AS A HIGH PRIORITY TO GET THAT INTERCHANGE FUNDED.
UM, THE LACK OF EXISTING BUILDINGS AND APPROPRIATE ZONED LAND FOR BUSINESS EXPANSION IS AN ISSUE I'M CURRENTLY WORKING WITH TWO BUSINESSES RIGHT NOW WHO WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND HERE IN THE COUNTY AND THEY'RE UNABLE TO DO SO, UH, BECAUSE THEY, THEY CAN'T FIND, UM, EXISTING LAND THAT'S APPROPRIATELY ZONED OR AN EXISTING BUILDING FOR THEM TO MOVE INTO.
AND THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE CAPITAL OR THE BUSINESS BREADTH AT THE MOMENT TO BUY A LARGER PIECE OF LAND AND THEN DEVELOP THAT.
UM, AND THE LAST NEED THAT WE'VE HEARD WAS THE NEED FOR PUBLIC WATER AND LINEAR INDUSTRIAL PARK.
AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO TOURISM, UH, CASEY, REAL QUICK TO GO OVER TOURISM.
SO GOAL THREE IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN WAS FOCUSED ON PROMOTE ENHANCE AND EXPAND TOURISM OFFERINGS.
WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN, AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING THAT TO THE BOARD THIS YEAR.
UM, WE RECEIVED THE ARPA MARKETING TOURISM GRANT AND WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT SUBMISSION TO THEM.
UM, IT CAME OUT OF THE FEDERAL CARES OR THE FEDERAL ARPA-E GRANT.
UM, AND WE RECEIVED MONEY FOR THAT.
UM, WE BECAME A DESTINATION, A DESIGNATED DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION THIS YEAR AT DMO, UM, WHICH MAKES US ELIGIBLE FOR TOURISM GRANTS AND MARKETING DOLLARS THROUGH THE VIRGINIA TOURISM CORPORATION VTC.
UM, SO THAT'S A HUGE DESIGNATION FOR US.
UM, AND THEN AS WELL, AND THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SLIDE IS OUR APP, WHICH IS GOOD SHALYNN'S GUIDE TO FOOD BEVERAGE AND FUN.
AND THIS CAME OUT OF CONVERSATIONS WE HAD HAD WITH THE RICHMOND STRIKERS WHEN THEY HOST, UM, MASSIVE TOURNAMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, UM, ALL OF THESE KIDS AND THEIR PARENTS WERE HEADING INTO SHORT PUMP TO GO TO LUNCH BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY DID A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH, THAT'S WHAT CAME UP.
UM, SO WE PRINTED OUT LITTLE QR CODES AND HAVE THEM NOW AT ALL THE TOURNAMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, SO THAT THEY CAN SCAN THAT REAL QUICK AND UP POPS THIS VERY BEAUTIFUL MAP AND THEY CAN QUICKLY GET SENT STRAIGHT INTO GOOCHLAND AND OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AS OPPOSED TO BEING SENT INTO SHORT PUMP, UM, FOR, FOR FOOD AND BEVERAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS MR. LYLES POINT.
I'M GLAD HE BROUGHT UP VRL TA.
UM, WE ACTUALLY ARE A MEMBER AND ATTEND THEIR MEETINGS AND EVENTS FOR OUR OFFICE.
SO, UM, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE THERE, UH, BE A MEMBER OF THEIR ORGANIZATION AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM.
AND THEN I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO SARAH FOR THE LAST TIME, UM, TO TALK ABOUT OUR EFFECTIVE, UH, DEPARTMENT.
OUR LAST GOAL WAS TO CREATE, UM, AN EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT DEPARTMENT.
AND ALONG WITH THAT, UM, INCLUDES A LOT OF OUR DIGITAL MEDIA.
WE DID CREATE FACEBOOK PAGES, LINKEDIN, UH, BACK IN 2019, YOU CAN SEE OUR NUMBERS AND FOLLOWERS HAVE GROWN ON THAT.
AND THEN A 25% INCREASE AND UNIQUE VISITORS TO OUR WEBSITE.
UM, I WOULD BE REMISS IF WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL ACHIEVEMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE OVER THE LAST, UM, YEAR, WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE A CAMPUS BASED MARKETING MATERIALS TO BETTER SHOWCASE WEST CREEK BUSINESS PARK.
SO WHAT THAT IS ENTAILS IS, UM, IT WAS CREATE 1700 ACRES, JUST THIS HUGE CHUNK, AN ASSET IN THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY.
AND, UM, PEOPLE WERE HAVING A HARD TIME WRAPPING THEIR MIND AROUND, WELL, HOW CAN I GET IN THERE? LIKE WHAT ARE THEIR LOTS LOOK LIKE? AND, AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO BREAK OUT INTO A SEVEN CAMPUSES WHERE WE CAN MORE EFFECTIVELY MARKET, UM, SMALLER CHUNKS OF LAND, UM, TO BUSINESSES WHERE THEY CAN KIND OF, UM, WRAP THEIR HEAD AROUND WHAT THEIR POTENTIAL BUILDING COULD LOOK LIKE IN WEST CREEK.
UH, WE COMPLETED MARKETING VIDEO AND PHOTOGRAPHY SHOOTS AND, AND HAPPY TO SAY THAT THAT MARKETING VIDEO WAS USED TO OBTAIN THE TRIPLE TRIPLE.
UM, SO IT WAS A REALLY GREAT VIDEO AND WE WERE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
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TARGETED INDUSTRY SECTORS, MARKETING MATERIALS WERE COMPLETED.YOU MAY REMEMBER WE WORKED WITH VIRGINIA TECH TO, UM, UH, KIND OF LOOK AT OUR EXISTING INDUSTRIES AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON HERE IN THE COUNTY.
AND OUT OF THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE THESE TARGETED MARKETING MATERIALS THAT WE CAN TAKE AND, AND MAIL THESE OUT.
AND WHEN WE GO TO, UM, MEET WITH POTENTIAL, UH, BUSINESSES TO MOVE INTO THE COUNTY, WE CAN HAVE, UH, UH, LEAVE AWAY TO GO WITH THEM.
UH, SOME OF OUR FUTURE PRIORITIES THAT WE'LL BE WORKING ON MOVING FORWARD.
UH, WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING TO ENHANCE THE AVAILABLE BUILDING AND LAND PRODUCT HERE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
UM, ATTEND INDUSTRY SPECIFIC TRADE SHOWS TO MARKET TARGETED SECTORS, UH, HOST BUSINESS ROUND TABLE EVENTS, A CREATION OF A BUSINESS APPRECIATION MONTH AND CREATION OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MONTHLY NEWSLETTER.
AND THEN OF COURSE SUSTAIN ALL THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND CASEY CAN COME UP IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH BOARD MR. PETERSON, JEREMY, UM, CAN YOU SEND YOUR LETTER UNDER THE RECENT TRENDS? I MEAN, THERE'S ANNUAL TRENDS, BUT, UM, RECENTLY THE LAST FEW WEEKS MONTHS, HAS THERE BEEN A UPTICK DOWN TECH, SIDEWAYS TECH AND WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR KIND OF SENSE OF THE MARKET? THE ESTABLISHED, UM, IT'S STILL REALLY BUSY.
UM, IT'S DEFINITELY REALLY BUSY.
I WOULD SAY MORE IN THE INDUSTRIAL MARKET THAN OFFICE.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THERE.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY IN THE CORPORATE WORLD AND WORKING FROM HOME, UM, WHO STILL HAVEN'T SEEN AN OFFICE IN TWO YEARS.
UM, SO THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DOES THAT RETURN TO THE OFFICE LOOK LIKE? UM, I THINK, UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL TELL YOU, THEY'RE SEEING A LOT OF, UM, PLANS COMING IN FOR A LOT OF OUR LARGER COMPANIES, BUT THEIR UPFIT PLANS.
SO TRYING TO REDO THE INSIDES OF OUR LARGER COMPANIES TO FIT SIX FOOT SOCIAL DISTANCING, ALTERNATE DAYS, UM, NO MORE OF THIS BIG OPEN SPACE.
SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THEN YOU HAVE SOME BIG CORPORATE ANNOUNCEMENTS IN DOWNTOWN RICHMOND OF PEOPLE BUILDING THESE MASSIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, COSTAR JUST MADE A MASSIVE ANNOUNCEMENT FOR SOME MASSIVE OFFICE SPACE IN DOWNTOWN, BUT I THINK FOR KIND OF OUTSIDE OF COMMUNITIES, I THINK WE'RE STILL SEEING A HUGE UPTICK IN THE INDUSTRIAL MARKET RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU ALL, ALWAYS GOOD PRESENTATION.
IT JUST, I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE A LOT OF WORK, A LOT OF CHALLENGES THOUGH, I THINK IN YOUR WORK TOO, WHICH I'M JUST STARTING TO GRASP THE LONGER I DO THIS.
AND OF COURSE, I'M TRYING TO THINK, HOW CAN, HOW CAN THIS BOARD SUPPORT YOU IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING? BUT CASEY, I HAVE, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE DIRECTED TOWARDS YOU.
UM, UM, THE DATA ON THE LABOR PARTICIPATION WAS INTRIGUING.
YOU HAD A LOT PACKED INTO THAT CHART GOING UP AND DOWN, BUT, UM, THE WORKFORCE DECLINES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, I THINK YOU SAID 250 TO CONTRIBUTION, AND WE ALL HAVE BEEN HEARING IN A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST LEAVING THE WORKFORCE LEAST THE END OF LAST YEAR, YOU HAD COMPARISON OF UNEMPLOYMENT WITH US AND VIRGINIA AND ALL THAT, BUT YOU DIDN'T COMPARE THE LABOR DECLINE.
HOW, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT LABOR DECLINE COMPARE TO THE REGION AND, AND, AND THE NATION? SO, SO, UM, IT'S PRETTY SPOT ON IT'S.
UM, I THINK YOU JUST SEE IT BIGGER IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT IS A SMALLER POPULATION COMPARISON.
UM, BUT IT'S PRETTY COMPARABLE ACROSS THE REGION AND THE STATE.
UM, IT'S JUST, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SUCH A SMALLER NUMBER 250 PEOPLE LEAVING OURS IS IT JUST MAKES SUCH A BIGGER IMPACT BECAUSE IT IS THE SAME NUMBER OF UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE.
SO, SO WHEN YOU HAVE A DECLINE, THAT'S SOMEBODY THAT WAS IN THE WORKFORCE THAT, THAT LEFT AND IS NO LONGER RECEIVING UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THEY ARE JUST NO LONGER IN THE WORKFORCE.
AND SO THAT THEN YOUR NEXT LOT OF THINKERS, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS ON IT, WE'RE HAPPY TO MOVE INTO NET NEW JOBS.
AND IS THAT, IS THAT AN OPENING UNTIL IT'S FILLED OR IS THAT FILLED POSITIONS? WHAT IS, IT COULD BE BOTH.
AND SO, UH, SARAH, YOU HAD A SLOT A LITTLE BIT LATER THAT TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS OR LACK OF QUALIFIED WORKERS.
SO WHEN YOUR NET NEW JOBS CAME UP, THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD ALL THESE JOBS OPENING.
WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS GOOD.
AND YOU, YOU SPOKE POSITIVELY OF IT, BUT IF THERE ARE OPENINGS THAT ARE BEING FILLED, IS IT IT'S A STRUGGLE? YEAH.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR WORKFORCE PARTNERS ON IS HOW DO WE, UM, SCALE UP PEOPLE WHO MAY BE IN A POSITION THAT ARE, IS LOOKING FOR GROWTH, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE WORK WITH, UM, THE K THROUGH 12 SYSTEM TO
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GO AHEAD AND SAY, YOUR WORKFORCE PARTNERS INCLUDE YOUR WORK? YOU SAID YOU WORK WITH WORKFORCE PARTNERS.SO WE WORK WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, DR.
REILEY AND, AND, AND, UM, OH, SORRY, DR.
HALEY AND, UM, BRUCE WATSON AND EVERYONE OVER AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH WHAT ARE THOSE PROGRAMS LOOK LIKE? WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TRAINING ARE WE SEEING IN OUR COMPANIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY NEED.
I THINK GREENSVILLE GROWERS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST EXAMPLES.
THEY CAME TO US AND SAID, HERE'S THE TYPES OF INTERNSHIPS, APPRENTICESHIPS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CONNECTED THEM STRAIGHT WITH, UM, BRUCE AND THEY WENT AHEAD AND CREATED THIS WHOLE PROGRAM THAT TOUCHES MULTIPLE FACETS OF THE CTE PROGRAMS. AND THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT KIDS GOING OVER THERE AND, AND INTERTWINING.
BUT, UM, SO THOSE, THOSE, THOSE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE THINGS, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO HELP WITH, DO THEY ALIGN WITH YOU, YOU DESCRIBED THE POSITIONS THAT THE NEW JOBS ARE IN OR THE, OR THE FIELDS, THE INDUSTRIES, YOU, YOU, I DON'T REMEMBER THEM ALL, BUT YOU LISTED THEM.
SO SOME OF THEM DO, AND SOME OF IT'S JUST, IT'S A NATIONWIDE TREND IN SOME OF THE HARD LABOR POSITIONS THAT PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO WORK.
AND SO THEY HAVE TO KEEP UPPING THE, THE, THE BASE PAY UNTIL YOU, YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, YEAH, I'M WILLING TO STAY OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, TO GET THAT PAY, TO BE HONEST.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU MORE AND, AND AGAIN, HOW CAN WE SUPPORT, UM, CAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT AND THAT MAYBE TIES OUT TO MY LAST QUESTION ON THE VIRGINIA TOURISM CORPORATION.
I KNOW WE, WE JOINED, DID WE JOIN THEM? OR I KNOW WE DID SOMETHING WITH THEM.
WE TOOK A GRANT OR ABOUT A YEAR WITHIN THE PAST YEAR.
WE DID THE DMO, WHICH IS THE DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION.
SO WE , THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO MONEY ASSIGNED TO THAT.
WELL, WELL, WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OPERA FUNDS THAT WE GOT FROM THAT.
SO I WENT TO THEIR WEBSITE AND I TYPED IN GOOCHLAND AND I FOUND THE ALLOCATIONS AND THEY HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE COUNT LOCATIONS.
AND THEY SAID, TOURISM GENERATED NEARLY A BILLION DOLLARS IN VIRGINIA, THE VIRGINIA TOURISM CORPORATION, DETERMINED EVERY LOCALITIES ARE PER ALLOCATION ALLOCATION BASED ON HOW MUCH EACH LOCALITY CONTRIBUTES TO THIS $1 BILLION TOTAL.
AND AS A RESULT, THEY SHARED THE POOL ACCORDINGLY.
YOU WANT TO SCROLL THROUGH THE LIST 30,000, WE'RE AT 30,000, AND THAT'S THE LOWEST NUMBER THAT ANYBODY GOT.
UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO START COMPARING COUNTIES.
THAT WOULD BE MEAN, BUT, UM, BUT I'M LIKE, WHY? SO, BUT THAT TELLS ME THAT WE, MAYBE WE STILL HAVE A WAYS TO GO, TO START CONTRIBUTING TO THE TOURISM AT THE LEVEL THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT WAS ALSO BASED ON 2019 NUMBERS.
SO THAT WAS BEFORE OUR HOTEL OPENED, BEFORE DRIVE SHACK OPENED.
SO IT WAS DEFINITELY, WELL BEFORE WE HAD KIND OF MADE ANY EFFORT TO KIND OF MARKET OR PROMOTE ANY OF THE TOURISM OFFERINGS THAT WE HAD THAT WOULD HAVE CONTRIBUTED SIGNIFICANTLY TO THAT NUMBER.
SO YOU THINK WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WE'RE ALREADY IMPROVED AND IN OUR LEVEL OF CONTRIBUTION.
YOU'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR, FOR THAT, RIGHT.
I MEAN, MAYBE MIDDLE OR TOWARDS THE END TOWARDS THE END.
WELL, I KNOW, I THINK WE ALL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
THAT'S AN, I MEAN, THAT, THAT TIES INTO OUR ZONING AND LAND USE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS FOR ALL OF US TO WORK TOGETHER ON AND FOR THIS SPORT TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN SUPPORT THE VISION AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
AND SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I'M SURE YOU TALKED ABOUT WHEN NEAR, UM, INDUSTRIAL PARK SAYING THE LACK OF WATER AND SEWER, IS THAT SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES THAT, I MEAN, IS IT PEOPLE THAT NEEDED LARGE QUANTITIES OF WATER THAT THEY COULDN'T GET? IS IT LARGE FACILITIES THAT NEED TO SEWER AND WATER? I MEAN, IS IT, YEAH, SO TO CLARIFY, THERE IS SOME SEWER IN LINEAR AND A LOT OF COMPANIES ARE ALREADY CONNECTED TO THAT.
UM, THEY ARE CURRENTLY ON A WELL, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE ON LIKE A SHARED, WELL, UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE COMPANIES THAT ARE REQUESTING THE WATER, NOT NECESSARILY LARGE WATER USERS, OR THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE ON A WELL, HOWEVER, IF WATER WAS TO GO IN THAT PARK AND LAND WAS TO BECOME AVAILABLE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RECRUIT LARGER WATER USERS INTO THE PARK.
AND THEN ON THE END CALL, WHAT ARE THE AREAS THAT, I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE, THE TWO, THE TWO OR THREE LARGEST AREAS WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE QUALIFIED WORKERS?
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I WOULD SAY I'VE HEARD, UM, CDL DRIVERS, UM, AS, AS AN ISSUE.UM, AND, UM, SOME OF THE JUST REGULAR TRADES AND BY QUALIFIED, I DON'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY NEED A FOUR YEAR EDUCATION, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, QUALIFIED AS IN THEY WANT TO COME TO WORK, THEY'RE WILLING TO COME TO WORK AND THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT IN THE, THE, THE TIME AND THE EFFORT, NOT LAST SPECIFICALLY LACK OF EDUCATION THAT WOULD, UH, IT'S OTHER THINGS.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT QUALIFIED WORKERS, THE PROGRAM OF THE HIGH SCHOOL IS PUTTING OUT AS MANY AS I CAN, BUT, UM, ALL RIGHT.
AND IT IS A REGION WIDE ISSUE, NOT A GOOCHLAND ISSUE.
SO OTHER LOCALITIES ARE HAVING THE SAME WORKFORCE PROBLEMS. UM, QUICK ONE.
UM, AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR CHALLENGES THAT ARE OUT THERE? ONE OF YOUR SLIDES HAD A SCATTER OF ALL OF THE ISSUES, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THIS OPPRESSIVE STATEWIDE REGULATIONS.
AND I DIDN'T SEE OPPRESSIVE COUNTY-WIDE REGULATIONS UP THERE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ON THAT FRONT THAT WE COULD DO TO, CAN HELP YOU, OR WAS THAT, WAS THAT A LAST MINUTE DELETE FROM THE SLIDE? UM, ACTUALLY WHEN I SPEAK TO MOST BUSINESSES, THEY LOVE BEING IN RICHLAND COUNTY.
MOST OF THEM HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT LOCAL TAXES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, LET ME PIGGYBACK ON THAT.
CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS I HAD.
THIS WAS JUST MORE OF A, IT'D BE INTERESTING ON THAT SLIDE.
UM, IF YOU SORT OF BROKE IT UP FROM WHAT DOES THE LOCAL CONTROL, WHAT THE STATE CONTROL.
CAUSE I THINK THAT CAN GET US INTO SOME INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ROLE OF GOVERNMENT, ET CETERA, AS IT HAS TO DO WITH BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE OTHER THING I'D WANTED TO ASK QUICKLY THINK CASEY'S IS YOU QUESTIONED.
UM, WHEN WE HAD OUR MEETING A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, I WAS VERY EXCITED TO HEAR THAT WE HAD GONE TO IDENTIFY WHERE OUR SITES WERE FROM.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TERM THAT WAS USED, BUT IT WAS IN DIFFERENT TIERS UP TO SITE READY.
CAUSE WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT COMMERCIAL AGENCIES, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETITION OUT THERE, UH, TO BRING THESE BUSINESSES AND THEY WANT MORE TURNKEY AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY TURNKEY.
AND THE REPORT THAT YOU WERE LOOKING TO PRE TO GENERATE WAS WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR A SITE X TO GET, TO MOVE UP EACH TIER? DO YOU HAVE A TIMEFRAME ON THAT OR WHERE ARE WE WHEN WE WENT PEOPLE? SURE.
SO WE ARE HOPING, UM, I WAS HOPING TO HAVE AN ESTIMATE IN THE NEXT, UH, BY NOW, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM OUR ENGINEERING FIRM.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, THEY WERE JUST LOOKING AT WEST CREEK AS A WHOLE, UM, UH, I I'M HOPING IN THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS OR SO TO HAVE KIND OF A GENERAL IDEA FOR ALL OF OUR INDUSTRIAL SITES ARE, ARE KIND OF OUR, OUR PRIME INDUSTRIAL SITES ON THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY.
UM, SO, SO HOPEFULLY BY SUMMER WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA.
IT SOUNDS LIKE AN EASY PROCESS.
UM, BUT UM, IT REQUIRES US TO KIND OF PICK OUT ALL OF THE SITES, LOOK AT WATER SEWER, UM, WHERE EVERYTHING KIND OF RUNS AND THEN TEAR THEM.
UM IN-HOUSE AND THEN KIND OF LOOK AT ENGINEERING WISE AND SETBACKS AND MEET WITH PLANNING TO TALK ABOUT EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL SITES AND THEN FIND OUT IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, UNKNOWNS ABOUT THE SITES IN TERMS OF, UM, WETLANDS, SEWER EASEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN PICK OUT MAYBE 10 SITES AND GO FROM THERE, UM, AND FIGURE THAT OUT.
I THINK I KNOW FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN CITIZENS WANT US TO KEEP IT RURAL Y'ALL ARE HUGE, HUGE PART OF THAT AND THE, THE, THE, THE MIX.
SO I KNOW I I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DAY WHEN YOU GUYS COME AND SAY, HEY, WE COULD DO THIS.
YOU KNOW, CAUSE I THINK WE ALL WANT TO PITCH IN AND HELP.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE TO PITCH IT AND HELP.
SO ANY HELP THAT WE GIVE WITH THAT HUGELY APPRECIATED.
UM, LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
UM, COME ON BACK WHEN THE BIG HANDS ON THE SIX AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN A FEW MINUTES,
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MANNER.[2. 5262: Presentation of 2022 Reassessment Report]
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YEAH.WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO GET OUR REASSESSMENT REPORT FROM MS. CHRISTIE HESS AND ASSESS IF YOU CAN JUST MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE GETS TURNED ON THE BOTTOM THERE.
I AM CHRISTIE HAS THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
YOU'RE THE, I'M THE COUNTY ASSESSOR ASSISTANT TO MARIANNE DAVIS.
SO I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS IF YOU HAVE APOLOGIZE.
SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE REPORT FOR THE 2022 REASSESSMENT, UH, THE HOT HERE.
SO WE REASSESS, UH, AT MARKET VALUE OF JANUARY.
FIRST OF EVERY YEAR, WE MAILED OUR NOTICES ON JANUARY 15TH.
UH, PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE UNTIL FEBRUARY 15TH TO APPEAL TO OUR OFFICE.
UH, AS OF THIS MORNING WE HAD 35 APPEALS.
SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD HALFWAY THROUGH ONLY 35 PEOPLE.
SO, SO OUR TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE IS THE, UH, IT'S NOT INCLUDING LAND USE OR NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS 11.1%.
SO OF THE, UH, WE'VE GOT 6.95 BILLION TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE, 146 MILLION OF THAT WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS 2.4% OF THE OVERALL VALUE INCREASE.
NEW CONSTRUCTION CONSISTS OF 11% COMMERCIAL AND 89% RESIDENTIAL.
SO OUR LAND USE ASSESSMENTS, WHICH IS BE THE DEFERMENT OF THE TAXES IS 713 MILLION.
SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR OFFICE AND THE APPEAL PROCESS.
THE FIRST, YOUR FIRST APPEAL WOULD BE INFORMAL APPEAL THROUGH OUR OFFICE, WHERE YOU CONTACT OUR OFFICE.
WE WOULD SCHEDULE TO DO AN INTERIOR INSPECTION IF THEY LET US COME IN.
UH, AND THEN WE REVIEW OUR SALES EQUALIZATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE BEING TREATED FAIRLY LIKE THEIR NEIGHBORS.
AND, UH, THEN WE MAIL THEM A LETTER NOTIFYING THEM OF THE OUTCOME.
THEY HAVE 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THAT LETTER TO FILE AN APPEAL WITH THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
IF THEY, THEY STILL FEEL THAT THEIR ASSESSMENT IS OUT OF LINE AFTER THAT THEIR ONLY RECOURSE WOULD BE CIRCUIT COURT.
THEY WOULD NEED TO FILE A CASE WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT.
SO HERE'S JUST A LITTLE CHART SHOWING YOU THE TOTAL TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUES IN BILLIONS OF 6.95 BILLION LAST YEAR, IT WAS 6.12.
THE ASSESSED VALUES OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IS 146 MILLION, WHICH 75 MILLION OF THAT WAS, UH, THAT TCSD 71 MILLION WAS REGULAR COUNTY.
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SO THIS JUST SHOWS THAT OF THAT AMOUNT.81.84% WAS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND 18.16 WAS THE COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS A TRAIT I THINK YOU WANTED LAST YEAR, UH, THAT JUST GIVES THE PERCENTAGES WITHOUT LAND USE THAT THE LINE KIND OF SHOWS YOU WHAT THE, THE RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL WITHOUT LAND USE.
AGAIN, HERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL AND NEW CONSTRUCTION PERCENTAGES.
YOU CAN SEE WE HAD A HUGE INCREASE IN RESIDENTIAL.
I TOOK A WHOLE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
WE HAVE, UH, THE 1.7, 2 BILLION AND ASSESSMENTS, AND THAT'S ALSO THE 4.4% FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND 11.2% FOR THE REASSESSMENT NUMBERS.
SO HERE'S THE LAND USE THAT DEFERRED AMOUNT IS THE 713 MILLION.
THAT'S UP A LITTLE BIT FROM LAST YEAR.
THAT'LL GO UP DEPENDING ON THE MARKET THERE, WHEN OUR REAL ESTATE, WHEN THE REGULAR VALUES GO UP, THE A THAT DEFERMENT GOES UP.
SO BECAUSE OUR LAND VALUES WENT UP THIS YEAR, THERE'S A BIGGER DEFERMENT FOR LAND USE.
SO BASICALLY GOING BACK TO THAT SLIDE, IT WAS 3.7 MILLION OF TAX REVENUE THAT'S NOT COLLECTED BECAUSE OF THE DEFERMENT.
SO IN SUMMARY, UH, OUR VALUE CHANGES WERE 11.1%, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I THINK IN NOVEMBER WE REPORT IT WOULD BE ABOUT 10%.
UH, THAT'S THE INCREASE IS DUE TO CONSTRUCTION COSTS, UH, THE LACK OF IMPROVED PROPERTIES AND, UH, JUST IT'S A SELLERS MARKET.
IT RIGHT NOW, THE MARKET IS, IS HOT.
IF YOU'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE NEWS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE PROJECTING, UH, SO FAR A FOUR TO 5% INCREASE FOR NEXT YEAR.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE THINKING THAT THE MARKET IS GOING TO KIND OF STABILIZE ITSELF, HOPEFULLY.
ANY QUESTIONS MR. PETERSON? OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
UM, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT WHEN WE RECOGNIZE PROPERTY VALUES INTO OUR ASSESSMENT.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF A PROJECT IS ANNOUNCED, WHEN THEY BREAK GROUND CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, WHEN IT, WHEN IT HITS OUR TAX ROLLS, DO THESE NUMBERS REFLECT PROPERTIES ON OUR TAX ROLLS AT THE RATE THEY'RE PAYING OR ONES WE'RE BUILDING PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE TIMING OF THAT WE WOULD PICK UP NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, WHEN THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED, WE WOULD PRORATE IT.
AND FROM THAT DATE FORWARD THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, LAND VALUES ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IF WE CAN SEE THAT THE ZONING WAS CHANGED OR SOMETHING TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, THEN IT WOULD, THE LAND VALUE WOULD COURSE INCREASE FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE KIND OF MID-STRIDE RIGHT NOW.
UM, EVERY POINT BEING ONE OF THEM.
AND I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT WE HAVE 70 MILLION OR SO OF AVERY POINT THAT WAS INCLUDED.
UM, DO YOU REMEMBER IF THAT'S NOT WHAT THE AMOUNT WAS FOR? UM, NO.
THE ONE THING THAT, UH, WE HAVE PICKED IT UP AND AVERY POINT IS THEIR CLUBHOUSE AND A COUPLE OF CAR PORTS.
AND UNTIL THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY BUILD THOSE BILLINGS AND THEY'VE GOT A SEAL ON THEM, WE WON'T BE PICKING UP ANYTHING MORE.
I THINK WE'VE ONLY GOT THE LAND VALUE, WHICH IS PROBABLY ABOUT 25 MILLION.
I THINK IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THERE WAS SOME NUMBERS, BUT SO MY QUESTION REALLY IS JUST TO MAKE, TO HER, WE HAD APPLES AND APPLES AND WHAT WE UNDERSTAND.
SO THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND WHAT IF THEY'RE TURNING DIRT AND GOING VERTICAL, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A CEO YET THAT, THAT IT'S NOT IN THESE NUMBERS, THEN THOSE THINGS THAT ARE MID-STRIDE WILL BE FLOWING INTO THESE NUMBERS IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE QUESTION ITSELF.
GOOD AFTERNOON IS JOANNE HUNTER, UH, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
SO WHEN THE, UM, IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES, UM, SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHEN THEY, UM, USE THEIR PROJECTIONS AND NUMBERS, SAME WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WE USE IT BASED ON BUILDING PERMIT VALUES.
SO THAT'S WHERE, SO WE HAVE ABOUT, I THINK WE HAVE FIVE BUILDINGS CURRENTLY GOING VERTICAL RIGHT NOW.
UM, AS WELL AS WE ALSO HAVE THE BUILDING PERMITS AND,
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UH, GOING VERTICAL ON OAK HILL APARTMENTS.SO THOSE ARE NOT SHOWING IN THESE NUMBERS.
UM, SO NEXT YEAR YOU'LL HAVE A CONSIDERABLE INCREASE WITH BOTH OAK HILL AND AVERY POINT POSSIBLY BEING OCCUPIED.
AND AVERY POINT HAS ACTUALLY INDICATED THEY'LL START ACCEPTING THE FIRST RESIDENCE IN SEPTEMBER.
THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT ON.
MY QUESTION IS BUILDING PERMITS ARE WHAT WE USE IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS.
WE HEARD WHAT WE USE IN THIS PRESENTATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF BUILDING GOING ON AND WINDOWS CEO'S HIT, THEN THEY'LL HIT AND THEN, OKAY, GREAT STARTS.
IT STARTS WITH US AND ENDS WITH THEM.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE COST OF THE BUILDING.
PERMITS WOULD HAVE THAT COST VALUE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MARKET VALUE OR ON SOMETIMES IT'S INCOME.
THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, MR. JENKINS, NOT I COVERED IT UP.
I COULD TELL THEM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRESENTATION, THEY'RE USING DIFFERENT, THEY'RE USING DIFFERENT TIMINGS OF IT.
DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THAT SLIDE THAT YOU SAID WE WANTED LAST JOB? UH, UH, THE ONE, SO YEAH, I JUST WANT HIM TO TAKE A MINUTE LONGER.
OH, AND THE OTHER QUESTION ARE SOME OF THE, ARE YOU, DO YOU TYPICALLY GET APPEALS ON THE COMMERCIAL? ARE THEY BY FAR BY FAR ALMOST ALL RESIDENTIAL, THEY SO FAR WE HAVE, UH, POSSIBLY TWO APPEALS IN COMMERCIAL.
WE'RE WAITING FOR A LETTER LETTERS OF AUTHORIZATION FROM, FROM THOSE PEOPLE THAT CALLED, UH, GIVING THEM PERMISSION TO CONTEST THEIR ASSESSMENTS.
AND THEY USUALLY WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE TO FILE THEIR APPEALS.
BY THE TIME THE NOTICE GETS TO THEIR, THEIR ACCOUNTANTS AND THEN IT GETS ONTO THE RIGHT DESK.
AND THEN THAT PERSON SAYS, OH, WE NEED TO.
THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME THAT AGAIN.
AND WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON THIS PRESENTATION IF WE NEED TO.
AND THIS LAST CLIP, WELL, ACTUALLY YOU STARTED THAT.
YOU WILL SEND THIS TO US ELECTRONICALLY, CORRECT.
IT'S K WHAT'S A SECOND QUESTION.
THE SECOND QUESTION YOU SAID SO FAR, WE HAVE 35 APPEALS.
GIVE ME A SENSE, IS THAT HIGH UP, DOWN AVERAGE DOWN? I WOULD SAY IT'S DOWN.
THINK LAST YEAR WE HAD A TOTAL IN THE END OF 105.
I THINK I WROTE THAT DOWN 105 CENTS OF 105 APPEALS.
WE HAD TOTAL LAST YEAR AND WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH, UH, AND WE WERE EXPECTING BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME HUGE INCREASES.
THE AVERAGE THROUGH THE COUNTY WAS 11.1%.
THAT'S EAST END AND THE WEST END, UH, THE, THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY, THE AVERAGE WAS ABOUT 15%.
THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS DOWN OFF OF RIVER ROAD THAT SAW 22% INCREASE.
AND SO, UH, WE WERE EXPECTING A LOT OF PEOPLE TO CALL AND COMPLAIN.
AND SO FAR I WORK THE, THE EASTERN END OF THE COUNTY AND THOSE LARGER SUB MORE EXPENSIVE SUBDIVISIONS.
AND, UH, I THINK I HAVE, UH, 13 APPEALS.
SO I WAS EXPECTING, I HAVE A BIG STACK OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE CALLED AND ON, AND, BUT THEY'RE SATISFIED ONCE THEY HANG UP ONE TWEET, WE TALK AND THEN THEY REALIZE THAT THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE MARKET AND KIND OF KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO ONCE THEY, THEY FIND WE'VE GOT LOTS OF DATA THAT WE'VE HAD SO MANY SALES THAT THERE'S WE'VE, WE'VE GOT IT COVERED.
SO, AND THEY DO HAVE UNTIL FEBRUARY 15TH, TWO.
SO STILL TWO MORE WEEKS IN THEORY.
SO WE COULD GET ANOTHER RASH OF PHONE CALLS LAST WEEK.
TYPICALLY IT DOES PICK UP THAT LAST WEEK.
I JUST WANTED A SENSE OF, IS THAT GOOD NUMBER, HIGH NUMBER, WHATEVER.
MOST OF THESE APPEALS ARE TO TRY AND LOWER THEIR TIME.
EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE, YOU GET TO GET SOMEBODY THAT WANTS IT RAISED.
AND WHEN THE MARKET CRASHED AND WE LOWERED THE VALUES, WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE CALLING COMPLAINING AND WANTING THERE'S RAYS, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT WERE GETTING READY TO PUT IT ON THE MARKET.
THEY, UH, THEY WANT THEIR ASSESSMENTS.
IT USED TO BE THAT THE ASSESSMENTS PEOPLE DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE, UH, OUT IN THE REAL WORLD.
AND NOW WITH THE COMPUTER AND THE INTERNET AND THE WAY THINGS HAVE GOTTEN MORE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THE ASSESSMENTS AND JUDGING THAT SAYING, WELL, THIS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I COULD GET MORE FOR IT.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY REQUESTING THAT WE RAISE THEIR ASSESSMENTS BECAUSE THEY KNOW PEOPLE ARE LOOKING IN MOST CASES IT'S SOMETIMES WE DON'T.
AND IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO GO BY SALES AND EITHER WAY UP OR DOWN, IF, IF I DON'T HAVE THE SALES TO SHOW THAT YOUR HOUSE IS WORTH A MILLION DOLLARS, THEN IT'S NOT WORTH A MILLION DOLLARS.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN YOUR SLIDE, MAYBE A UP, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS TO LAND USE, ESPECIALLY TO OUR AG BUSINESSES.
SO IF THE LAND IS GOING UP AND THEN THE GRANTS, DOES IT KEEP
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EVERYTHING EVEN, OR ARE OUR FARMERS GETTING HURT AS WELL WITH THIS AND HAVING POTENTIAL IMPACTS? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT GETTING HURT, UH, THERE, DEPENDING ON THE TAX RATE, IF THE TAX RATE STAYS THE SAME AND THERE, SO THEIR ASSESSMENT IS GOING TO GO UP BECAUSE THEY, THE COUNTY PULLS OUT ONE ACRE AND THAT'S TYPICALLY, UH, IF YOU HAVE A FARM HOUSE OR SOMETHING, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ONE ACRE.AND SO THAT WOULD BE VALUED AT THE MARKET VALUE.
AND THEN THE REST OF IT WOULD BE VALUED.
THEY WOULD PAY TAXES ON THE LAND USE VALUE, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
SO IF YOU HAVE THAT ONE ACRE THOUGH, THAT'S THE MARKET VALUE.
IF THAT GOES UP A LITTLE BIT, THEN THEIR TOTAL VALUE IS GOING TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT TO THE LAND, USE VALUES, GO UP AS WELL.
SOMETIMES THEY DO JUST BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THEY GO UP AND DOWN.
AND I WE'VE GOT THE HISTORY OF, OF WHAT LAND USE, I THINK, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY DID THIS YEAR.
THEY, THE FORESTRY WENT UP A LITTLE BIT.
BOTH OF THEM WENT UP, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH THEY WENT UP.
IT'S NOT USUALLY MUCH, NO, IT'S ONLY AROUND $400 AN ACRE.
IT'S TYPICALLY ABOUT $400, 4, 10, 4 25, AN ACRE AND COMMUNITY STRUGGLING AND LOVE TO JUST UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS OF THE LAND PRICES.
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE BOARD THREE MINUTES, THOSE VALUES ARE SET BY THE STATE.
IT'S THE STATE OR THE STATE LAND EVALUATION ADVISORY COUNCIL.
IT'S CALLED SLICK AND THEY'RE VIRGINIA TECH PEOPLE.
AND THEY, THEY SENT OUT, UM, UM, QUESTIONNAIRES TO THE FARMERS AND THEY LOOK AT SOIL TYPES.
AND SO THEY LOOK AT THE SOIL TYPES IN GOODS AND THEY COME UP WITH, WITH THEIR NUMBERS AND WE GO BY THOSE AND THERE'S THREE VALUES, RIGHT? AGRICULTURAL FORESTRY FORESTRY, RIGHT.
AND THE HORTICULTURE, THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT WE USE TO JONATHAN.
AND THE LAST FOR OUR NEW BUSINESS, WE HAVE MR. DRUMRIGHT AND I VERY BUSY GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
[3. 5260: FY2022 Second Quarter Projection]
SORRY, MISS.TWIST-OFF WANT TO TALK TO YOU ON HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE BRINGING IN.
WELL, I THOUGHT I WAS GOOD RIGHT THERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MARRYING A TWIST EL DIRECTOR OF FINANCIAL SERVICES.
AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A SECOND QUARTER PROJECTION.
I'M AWARE OF YOUR TIME, AND I DON'T WANT TO STAND BETWEEN YOU AND DINNER.
SO WE'LL JUST MOVE RIGHT THROUGH THIS YEAR.
UM, CURRENTLY AS OF THE SECOND QUARTER, I'M PROJECTING AT THE END OF THE YEAR, OUR REVENUES TO EXCEED BUDGET BY APPROXIMATELY $1.3 MILLION.
YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE ASSESSOR, UH, ASSESSMENTS ARE GOING UP.
UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S, IT'S JUST A REALITY RIGHT NOW.
UM, CURRENTLY THE DEPARTMENTS ARE HOLDING PRETTY STEADY WITH THEIR EXPENDITURES.
AGAIN, COSTS ARE GOING UP AS WELL.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF COSTS GOING UP.
WE HAVE COSTS FOR JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE BUYING INCREASING RIGHT NOW WITH INFLATION.
WE'RE HOPING THAT'S GOING TO LEVEL OUT.
UM, BUT THIS IS BASED ON WHERE WE WERE IN DECEMBER.
UM, SO AS OF DECEMBER, WE ARE UNDER BUDGET WITH OUR, UM, EXPENDITURES AS WELL.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A CHANGE IN FUND BALANCE.
IF WE STAY LIKE WE ARE NOW PROJECTING OUT TO THE END OF THE YEAR OF AN INCREASE OF ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS, WHICH WOULD BE GOOD.
UM, THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN OF THE FUND BALANCE.
AND I'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE WHERE IT KIND OF EXPLAINS IT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, WE HAVE A TARGETED ON ASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF A MINIMUM OF 25%, THAT 25%, FOR THOSE OF YOU DOING MATH ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE, UM, IS OF THE BUDGET OF NEXT YEAR.
IT'S NOT BASED ON YOUR FUND BALANCE.
IT'S ACTUALLY A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 28%, WE'RE HOLDING IT 28% BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A REVENUE STABILIZATION POLICY OF 3%.
YOU'LL NOTICE OUR DEBT SERVICE POLICY IS AT 10% AND WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 3% OF DEBT SERVICE.
NOW WE ARE ISSUING DEBT, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE DID THAT TODAY.
IT WAS VERY EXCITING THAT STILL GOING TO KEEP US UNDER OUR 10%, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MR. PETERSON, MS. CHAIR, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE REVENUES, THERE WE GO.
UM, YOU'RE IN PROJECTED 68, 9 TAX BILLS GO OUT.
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WE COLLECT REVENUE TWICE A YEAR.DO WE COLLECT REVENUE? UM, JUNE 5TH WILL BE FOR JANUARY TO JUNE, IF THERE IS ANY TYPE OF A CHANGE AND WHETHER IT BE ASSESSMENTS OR TAX RATE, UM, THAT IS REFLECTED IN THE FIRST QUARTER.
SO LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DECIDED, WHICH I DON'T ANTICIPATE US DOING, BUT LET'S SAY YOU CHANGE THE TAX REAL ESTATE TAX RATE, UM, FOR THAT AFFECTS US BACK TO JANUARY OF TWO, JANUARY TO JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
SO THE JUNE PAYMENT THAT GOES OUT WILL BE RECEIVED IN FYE 22.
AND THAT 68.9 PROJECTED DOES THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT? WHAT WE JUST HEARD? IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT.
IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE NUMBERS WE KNEW IN DECEMBER.
UM, THERE THAT'S 11% OF SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN WHAT'S PROJECTED IN THIS BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
SO IT COULD BE HIGHER UPWARD BIAS.
WE HAVE THE MR. PAUL DURHAM, RIGHT.
[4. 5264: 2022 General Assembly Legislative Update]
MY MORNING IS EVERY TWO YEARS WHEN THINGS SWITCH, WE HAVE A VERY BUSY LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.SO HANAWAY PUMP, GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME'S PAUL DRUMRIGHT COMMUNITY AFFAIRS MANAGER.
AND JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND TO PULL UP A COPY OF THE SLIDES.
UH, THERE IS A HARD COPY OF LEFT AT YOUR SEAT.
AS OF THE MEETING STARTING AT TWO O'CLOCK.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE WHILE WE'VE BEEN SITTING HERE, UM, AS WELL, THE HANDOUT IS AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM AS WELL.
UH, AGAIN, PAUL DRUMRIGHT, UH, COMMUNITY AFFAIRS MANAGER, AND IT JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT, UH, OUR GENERAL ASSEMBLY LEGISLATIVE UPDATE.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS REALLY ON THREE CORE AREAS, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION, OUR PRIORITY REQUEST, AND THEN SOME BILLS OF INTEREST POLICY POSITIONS.
UM, SO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION STARTED ON JANUARY 12TH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, WE GOT CROSSOVER IS SCHEDULED TO HAPPEN ON FEBRUARY 15TH.
SO WE HAVE ABOUT TWO WEEKS LEFT, UH, UNTIL EVERYBODY GETS TO TAKE A BREATH.
AND THEN, UH, COME IN FOR THE FINAL REMAINDER OF THE SESSION, UM, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE, I HAVE PUT ON THE SLIDE, UH, THE NUMBER OF BILLS, STATISTICS THAT HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED.
AND SO I, FOR 21 SPECIAL SESSION, ONE OF 2021 AS WELL AS THEN THE INTRODUCED OF 20, 22 AS OF THIS MORNING.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S OVER 2,430 BILLS THIS YEAR, RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE STILL ADDITIONAL ONES COMING IN AND RESOLUTIONS, UH, JOINT RESOLUTIONS, AND SUCH.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, NO BILLS HAVE BEEN PASSED IN BY EITHER, UM, HOUSE.
UH, GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL 2,400 OF THOSE.
UH, I DON'T WANT TO BE BETWEEN YOU AND DINNER.
SO, UM, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT JUST SOME CORE AREAS.
MR. JEREMY TRIED TWO, ONE, ISN'T THERE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF BILLS THAT THEY CAN DROP.
UH, THERE, THEY DO HAVE DIFFERENT RULES ON THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BILLS THEY CAN DROP, BUT THEY CAN ALSO THEN ALSO GO AND GET SPECIAL PERMISSION AS SESSIONS GOING ON TO DROP ADDITIONAL BILLS.
USUALLY YOU'VE GOT TO JUSTIFY IT AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO GET HECKLED BY YOUR FELLOW, UH, SENATORS OR DELEGATES, BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S UP TO THEM, BUT AT SOME POINT IT BECOMES ABSURD.
IF THEY DROP 30,000 BELT, IT JUST, IT BECOMES ABSURD.
SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME EFFORT TO TRY AND SAY, JUST, JUST DROP THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES.
SO WHEN I SAW THAT DRAMATIC INCREASE, IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE EVERY TWO YEAR SWING IN THE SEATS? OR IS THAT JUST, UH, SO, SO THAT WAS JUST LOOKING AT LAST YEAR, THEY HAD TWO SESSIONS, SO THEY HAD THE 20, 21 SESSION.
AND THEN, BECAUSE IT WAS BECAUSE OF COVID RULES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY'D SHORTENED IT.
AND THEN THE GOVERNOR CALLED THEM INTO A SPECIAL SESSION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD THE, WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD NORMAL TIME.
AND SO THEN THEY GOT MOVED, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAD SOME OTHER NEW ONES, BUT I WOULD SAY THINGS ARE GETTING BACK TO NORMAL DOWN THERE.
UM, SO YOU'RE SEEING A LOT MORE.
UM, SO, BUT FORTUNATELY, WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON, UH, REALLY PRIMARILY OUR PRIORITY REQUESTS.
I HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, PRIORITY REQUESTS THAT WERE ADOPTED ON NOVEMBER 3RD.
UM, AND, UH, WE WILL GO THROUGH THOSE AND LOOK AT SOME BILLS RELATED TO THAT,
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AND THEN HIT SOME OF THOSE OTHER KEY ONES.SO THE FIRST ONE WAS THE, UH, PROHIBIT MARIJUANA RETAIL STORES UNLESS APPROVED BY THE LOCAL REFERENDUM, UH, DELEGATE, WHERE DID CARRY A BILL FOR US HB 43 RELATED TO THIS, UM, THAT BILL, AS YOU CAN SEE, AS OF THIS MORNING IS STILL WAITING ON A COMMITTEE REFERRAL.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BILLS AND I'M GOING TO HIT A COUPLE OF THE MORE INTERESTING ONES RELATED TO MARIJUANA AND THAT, THAT, UH, TOPIC THAT IS, UH, TURNING OUT TO BE A BIG TOPIC THIS YEAR AS BOTH HOUSES AND BOTH PARTIES, UH, ARE HAVING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THAT.
UM, SO I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME STUFF GOING ON BEHIND SCENES, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'VE NOT BEEN TOLD WHEN OUR BILL IS GOING TO GET UP IN COMMITTEE IN GET CONSIDERED.
SECOND ONE WAS THE PROHIBIT MARIJUANA CULTIVATION FACILITIES FROM SELLING DIRECTLY TO CUSTOMERS.
DELEGATE WERE ALSO CARRIED THAT ONE FOR US HB 72, THAT ONE IS ALSO WAITING ON A COMMITTEE REFERRAL THAT ONE DROPPED ON JANUARY 4TH, AS YOU CAN SEE WHEN IT GOT, UH, INTRODUCED, MOVING INTO OUR PRIORITY THREE REQUESTS THAT RELATED TO THE, UH, USE OF BINARY EXPLOSIVE KITS CONTAINING AN OXIDIZER AND A FUEL SOURCE.
THIS WAS A, UH, REQUEST THAT WE PUT IN FOR THE SECOND TIME.
AND AGAIN, FOR THE SECOND TIME, WE'VE GOTTEN NO TAKERS ON CARRYING A BILL FOR THIS, AND THERE'S NO OTHER BILLS AS WELL IN THE SESSION THAT THAT'S ADDRESSING THIS.
UH, NUMBER FOUR IS THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE COMPENSATION AND EXPENSE OF THE ELECTORAL BOARD.
UH, AS YOU'LL RECALL THAT THEY'VE ADDRESSED THAT IN THE PAST, BUT THEY, THEY DID NOT GET ALL THE WAY.
UM, GOOD NEWS IS THERE ARE TWO BUDGET AMENDMENTS IN THERE, NOT BY OUR DELEGATION, BUT THEY ARE BY A SENATOR AND A, UH, A HOUSE OF DELEGATE DELEGATE MEMBER.
AND THEY WOULD BRING, UH, 100% REIMBURSEMENT FOR REGISTRARS AND ELECTORAL BOARDS.
NOW THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET AMENDMENT PROCESS.
AND SO THAT MAY OR MAY NOT SURVIVE, BUT AT LEAST IT'S IN THERE.
AND THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE KEEP, KEEP AN EYE ON AS WE GO THROUGH AS THEY GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS.
AND THEN NUMBER FIVE WAS THAT THEY REQUEST FOR THE STUDY OF A COMPENSATION BOARD FUNDING FOR THE OFFICES OF CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS.
AND THERE IS NO LEGISLATION IN THERE RELATED TO THAT, EITHER CARRIED FOR US.
UM, AFTER WE ADOPTED THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, THE COUNTY WAS APPROACHED BY, UH, ONE OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
UH, GREEN SWELL GROWERS APPROACHED THE COUNTY REGARDING A ISSUE THAT THEY WERE HAVING AND A REQUEST TO CARRY OR, OR DISCUSS, UH, LEGISLATION WITH OUR DELEGATION RELATED TO SALES AND USE TAX AGRICULTURE EXEMPTIONS RELATED TO THEIR STRUCTURAL CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND ENVIRONMENT AND CONTROLS.
UM, WE WORKED WITH THEM AND ACTUALLY WORKED WITH DELEGATE WHERE, AND WAS ABLE TO GET A BILL DRAFTED AND INTRODUCED, AND WE'RE ALL READY TO GO AND DEFEND FOR, UH, GREENSVILLE GROWERS AND HAVE THEM COME DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT BILL UNFORTUNATELY DIED IN HOW SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, IT WAS LAID ON THE TABLE ON THE 24TH, UH, ON A VOTE EIGHT TO ZERO.
UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT IT HAD A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO IT AND THE COMMITTEE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE DISCUSSING IT HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND WHY THEY THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY, WHY GREENSVILLE GROWERS, OR ANYBODY THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY, THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF OTHER BUSINESSES THAT WERE ABLE TO SUCCEED WITHOUT IT.
AND SO WHAT MADE IT SPECIAL? OUR REQUESTS WOULD HAVE OPENED IT UP FOR EVERYBODY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT GOT KILLED IN SUB-COMMITTEE MOVING ON TO SOME BILLS OF INTEREST.
THERE'S A REALLY RIGHT NOW TO FINANCE OR THEY'RE THE THREE FINANCE BILLS.
THEY'RE ON TWO TOPICS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS HB 10, 10, AND SB SIX, 20 RELATED TO REAL PROPERTY TAXES RATE OF INCREASE.
THIS IS A BILL THAT WAS REQUIRE, UH, LOCALITIES TO HAVE TO DO A REFERENDUM.
IF YOUR ASSESSMENTS GO OVER 101% FROM THE YEAR AND THE BOARD DID TAKE A POSITION, UM, OF OPPOSING THIS, UH, I'M HAPPY TO SAY SB SIX 20 WAS HEARD THIS MORNING AND FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE.
IT WAS PASSED BY INDEFINITELY.
THERE WAS A SUBSTITUTE THAT WAS INTRODUCED THE SUBSTITUTE, UM, AND NOT HAVE CHANCE TO READ IT, BUT HOW IT WAS DESCRIBED WAS A, UH, KIND OF A STEPPING POINT OF GETTING TO DOING
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THE REFERENDUM.SO IT KIND OF INTRODUCED A GRADUAL STEPPING POINT TO GET UP TO WHERE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO A REFERENDUM IF YOU REACHED ABOVE 105%.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS THEY DISCUSSED IN SUBCOMMITTEE OR IN, IN FINANCE COMMITTEE THIS MORNING, THAT THERE IS A TALK OF BRINGING TOGETHER A SPECIAL, UH, SUB COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, UH, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT TAX REFORM TAX POLICIES INTO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AND STUDY THEM AND BRING THEM BACK NEXT YEAR FOR ACTION, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TACKLE THEM RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT SO FOR NOW THAT BILL SB SIX 20 HAS BEEN PASSED BY INDEFINITELY, UH, HB 10, 10 IS STILL ALIVE, BUT IT POTENTIALLY WOULD MEET THE SAME FATE.
UM, YEAH, BOTH OF THOSE WERE ALSO INTRODUCED BY THE, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.
UM, THE OTHER ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OR HAVE SOME INTEREST IN IS HB THREE 80, UM, IT WAS LICENSED TAX LOCAL ELIMINATION OF THE AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE, AND THIS WAS THE, UH, B POLL TAX.
AND, UM, THAT MET ITS DEMISE YESTERDAY.
IT WAS LAID ON THE TABLE IN THE HOUSE, FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE, NUMBER TWO, TO OWN A VOTE OF NINE TO ZERO.
UM, OUR INTEREST IN THAT WAS, UH, JUST PRESERVATION, THE REVENUE THAT, THAT GENERATES FOR THE COUNTY, THE, THOSE REVENUE SOURCES OF HAVING THAT MADE UP IF THEY WERE TO GET RID OF THAT TAX OF HOW, HOW THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE MADE WHOLE IN IT.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BROADBAND BILLS OUT THERE.
UH, I'VE WENT THROUGH AND PULLED OUT THE ONES THAT ARE, I THINK, THE MOST IMPORTANT OR JUST THE ONES TO KEEP AN EYE ON.
UM, FIRST ONE ACTUALLY HB 4 45, AS WELL AS SB 4 46 WOULD ALLOW LOCALITIES TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE NEW RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS TO INSTALL BROADBAND.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON.
THEY'RE STILL IN COMMITTEE AND SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT THIS WOULD GIVE A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX AS WE HAVE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR BROADBAND PARTNERS AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO EXPAND BROADBAND IN THE COUNTY, BUT THIS WOULD GIVE US A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX.
AS YOU HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN TO SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO INCLUDE BROADBAND IN YOUR PLAN.
UM, SO IT WAS EVENTUALLY AT SOME POINT, OUR BROADBAND PARTNERS ARE GOING TO COMPLETE THEIR PROJECTS AND THEN IT WILL BE, WE'LL HAVE AREAS THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL NEED BROADBAND AND WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THAT.
UM, HB 4 47 IS A BILL THAT HAS BEEN INTRODUCED IN THE HOUSE THAT WOULD REQUIRE PROVIDERS RIGHT NOW TO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE MONTHLY PLAN OF $50, UM, TO OFFER FOR ANY CITIZENS.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO SURVIVE OR NOT.
I HAVE CHECKED WITH OUR BROADBAND PROVIDERS.
A PORT 80 DOES NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN THERE, BUT THEY DO WORK WITH, UH, FOLKS WHO HAVE NEEDS AND MAY HAVE SOME, UM, UH, INCOME NEEDS.
AND SO THEY, THEY WILL WORK WITH PEOPLE IN FEDERAL BASIS.
UM, AND TH THEY'RE AWARE OF THIS BILL IN THERE NOW.
AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS SB 7 24, WHICH IS THE TITLE SAYS SCHOOL BOARD, BROADBAND ANNUAL REPORT.
UM, THE LANGUAGE IN IT SAYS IT WOULD BE FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD TO, UH, OR SCHOOLS TO REPORT THE 9 1, 1 ADDRESSES, UH, STUDENTS WHO DO NOT HAVE BROADBAND AND THEY WOULD REPORT IT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
AND I THINK THE INTENT ON THAT IS SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THOSE ADDRESSES IN THOSE FOLKS SIGNED UP WITH BROADBAND.
WE ALREADY WORKED WITH OUR SCHOOL PARTNERS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN EXTEND BROADBAND AND WE'RE HIDDEN FOLKS, BUT THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ONE TO KEEP AN EYE ON AS IT GOES THROUGH THE SESSION.
UH, NOW BACK TO, AS I SAID, UM, MARIJUANA, UM, IT'S A BIG TOPIC I'VE INCLUDED UP HERE ON THE SLIDE, THE, UH, MAJOR BILLS THAT TO KEEP AN EYE ON.
I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE AND CAN TELL YOU ALL THE INTRICACIES OF THESE.
I WILL SAY A COUPLE OR AT LEAST, UM, ONE OR TWO OF THEM WERE UP THIS MORNING IN, UH, A, UH, UH, SENATE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, ACTUALLY A CANNABIS SENATE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S, UM, UH, THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, SOCIAL SERVICES.
AND I THINK A HEALTH, UH, UM, SENATE COMMITTEE, UH, ACTUALLY SOCIAL SERVICES AND REHAB, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE.
IT HAS A CANNABIS, UH, SUB SUBCOMMITTEE.
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BUT THE REST ARE YET TO BE HEARD IN COMMITTEE OR SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, OR LARGE MAJORITY OF THEM DO, UH, REALLY AUTHORIZED THE MARIJUANA LEGISLATION THAT PASSED LAST YEAR.THEY DO NOT INCLUDE OUR LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD LIKE RELATED TO, UH, HAVING A REFERENDUM TO ALLOW, UH, MARIJUANA RETAIL SALES.
THEY STILL CONTAIN THE OLD LANGUAGE, WHICH IS HAVING A REFERENDUM TO PROHIBIT MARIJUANA, RETAIL SALES.
BUT SO THESE ARE ONES TO KEEP AN EYE ON AS THAT MOVES FORWARD IN, IN WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE THE UPCOMING, UH, MILESTONES, FEBRUARY 15TH, WHERE WE CAN THEN JUST FOCUS ON THE REMAINING THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE EXISTING AND EVERYTHING THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OUT GETS BRUSHED ASIDE OR LEFT IN COMMITTEE, UH, AND THEN ADJOURNMENT, AND THEN THE RECONVENED SESSION AS WE LOOK TO SEE WHAT HAS BEEN AMENDED AND WHAT NEEDS TO, UH, OUR ATTENTION, HAPPY TO TAKE ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS OR DISCUSS ANY OTHER BILLS OR MAY NOT HAVE INTEREST IN.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER ONES AT THE STAFF LEVEL WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT WANTED TO FOCUS ON THESE TODAY.
RIGHT? SO YOU, I KNOW THAT 10, 10 AND SIX 20 WERE BEING REWRITTEN BECAUSE THERE THEY ARE COMPLETELY UNWORKABLE.
SO SIX 20 WENT THROUGH, UM, A PBI TODAY OR YES, PBI, BUT THAT'S A GOOD BIRTHDAY PRESENT RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO 6/6/20 GOT PBI, BUT YOU SAID THEY W THEY DID A MANY CAUSE I KNOW THEY WERE TRYING TO AMEND BOTH.
SO THEY APPROVED THE SUBSTITUTE AND I WILL, IT IS ACTUALLY OUT THERE SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
UM, I WAS WORKING ON UPDATING THIS, I, AND I CAN LOOK AT IT.
AND 10, 10 AND SIX, 20 WE'RE IDENTICAL BILLS, COMPANION, IDENTICAL BILLS.
DO YOU KNOW, OR ARE YOU JUST TO CHECK? I LAST, I CHECKED, IT HAD NOT BEEN HEARD YET IN SUBCOMMITTEE OR COMMITTEE, SO THEY'VE NOT AMENDED IT, BUT I KNOW A DELEGATE WARES OFFICE ADVISED US THAT THEY WERE WORKING ON AMENDING IT.
UM, I WILL ADD ACTUALLY A NOTE FROM LISTENING TO THE, UH, TESTIMONY THIS MORNING.
THEY ARE NOT COMPLETELY ON THE REFERENDUM ON WHEN THAT WOULD HAVE WHAT, TELL ME ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE THE PROBLEM IN IT.
UM, SO IF YOU DON'T MIND CONTINUE MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO UNDER THE BROAD BAN HOUSE, BILL 4 45 AND SENATE BILL 4 46, ARE THOSE COMPANIONS AS IDENTICAL? DO YOU KNOW? UH, UH, 4 45 IN SB 4 46.
AND THAT JUST ALLOWS LOCALITIES.
IT'S NOT A MANDATE, BUT IT ALLOWS US TO ACQUIRE IT OF NEW.
SO HOW I READ THE BILL IS WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO DO THAT.
SO IT AGAIN IS A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX, NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT.
WE CAN PUT IT IN THE CLOSET, LEAVE IT IN THE CLOSET, OR, I MEAN, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A MANDATE, I THINK I'M GOOD.
SO THE LAST THING IS ON THE MARIJUANA.
AND I KNOW I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TALK ABOUT, UM, BRINGING FORWARD THE DATE, THE RETAIL SALES FROM JANUARY 1 24 TO JANUARY 1, 23.
ARE THEY DOING THAT IN THE BUDGET? THERE'S NOT A BILL THAT I'VE SEEN THAT DOES THAT.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK AND SEE, CAUSE THERE'S A REVENUE IMPLICATION.
SO I'M THINKING THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE DOING IT.
WE ARE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BEFORE OUR DINNER BREAKS, SO WE WILL
[XII. Dinner Break, 5:00 PM: The Board of Supervisors will have dinner with the Goochland]
BE BACK HERE AT 6:00 PM.SO WE WILL BE IN RECESS TO THAT.
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GREAT.[XIII. 6:00 PM - Chair Calls Meeting Back to Order]
ALL RIGHT.WE ARE BACK FOR OUR, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE, OUR FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING AT SIX.
O'CLOCK LIKE TO JUST TAKE A SECOND TO THANK ALL THE VISITORS FROM THE GUCCI LEADERSHIP EXCHANGE THAT ARE HERE.
UH, IF YOU WILL, FOR THOSE OF YOU, AREN'T FAMILIAR, IT'S A CLASS THAT GOES ON MEETS A COUPLE TIMES A MONTH AND LEARNS ALL ABOUT COMMUNITY GOVERNMENT.
WE HAD A GREAT DINNER THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE CAREER TECHNICAL, UH, TEAM OVER IN GOOCHLAND.
SO WELCOME AND GLAD YOU'RE HERE AND GLAD YOU'RE, UH, GETTING INVOLVED IN HOUSTON COUNTY.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES US WHAT MAKES US TICK.
SO WE ARE GOING TO START OUR MEETING WITH OUR CITIZEN COMMON PERIOD.
THE CITIZEN COVID PERIOD IS A TIME FOR FOLKS TO COME AND ADDRESS THE BOARD ON ISSUES THAT AREN'T ON THE AGENDA.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE GIVE US, MAKE SURE THE IS ON BY PERSON, LITTLE BUTTON ON THE BOTTOM OF THE MICHAEL TURN GREEN, AND THEN JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES AND YOU'LL SEE A LIGHT GO ON AND, UM, WE WILL GET GOING.
[XIV. Citizen Comment]
THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.OH CARRIE, CAN YOU TELL THAT? THERE YOU GO.
UM, CARRIE STAG, NICE TO SEE YOU ALL.
AND I SEE YOU AGAIN, UM, WE'RE FROM, WE'RE SUPPORTING THE GOOCHLAND DAY FOUNDATION, UM, THAT WAS NEWLY ESTABLISHED IN WHAT, 2019.
I MEAN, IT'S BEEN AWHILE FROM COVID, BUT, UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE ASKING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
SO WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THAT.
AND UM, FOR ANYBODY ELSE, IF YOU'RE HERE ON MAY, SEVENTH IS GOING TO BE THE GOOCHLAND DAY PARADE AND FESTIVAL.
UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU, IT'S GOING TO BE BIGGER.
UM, IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER AND WE'RE GOING TO BE SUPPORTING ALL OF THE BUSINESSES IN GOOCHLAND.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ANY KIND OF SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITY, GOOCHLAND DAY FOUNDATION, YOU CAN FIND US ON FACEBOOK AND ON THE WEBSITE GOOCHLAND DAY.COM.
I'M THE SECRETARY SECRETARY FOR THE GOOCHLAND DAY FOUNDATION.
DO YOU MIND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS? OH, MY ADDRESS.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT OUR GOOCHLAND DAY, THIS PAST YEAR WAS PHENOMENAL.
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TEAM WORKED VERY HARD TO PUT TOGETHER AND PROMOTE GOOCHLAND COUNTY, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE MONEY WELL SPENT IN PROMOTING AND SUPPORTING THIS EFFORT.ANYBODY ELSE FOR CITIZEN COMMENT? GOOD EVENING.
HONORABLE CHAIR, SPOON HOUR AND A FELLOW CITIZENS.
UH, MY NAME IS MICHAEL MCDERMOTT.
I RESIDE AT 1879 SPRUCE LANE AND MAIDENS.
UH, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY SINCE MARCH OF 1993.
I MOVED HERE AFTER SPENDING 22 YEARS IN NEW JERSEY.
UH, PRIOR TO THAT, I TRAVELED ALL OVER, UH, FOLLOWING MY, MY FATHER'S MILITARY CAREER WITH ALL THAT TIME IN NEW JERSEY.
THERE'S A PART OF THREE MINUTES THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
SO, UH, I BELIEVE MS. HAS BEEN ACCOUNTING EMPLOYEE DURING MY ENTIRE TENURE, AND I HAVE IT UPON GOOD AUTHORITY, UH, THAT WHEN WE'RE ALL GONE, SHE DOES KNOW WHERE THE LIGHT SWITCH IS TO TURN THE LIGHTS OFF.
AND, YOU KNOW, I STAND BEFORE YOU, UH, SUPERVISORS, UH, FROM THE IRON MAIDEN OF DISTRICT ONE TO THE WALL STREET WIZARD AND DISTRICT FIVE AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN BETWEEN.
I SEE NEIGHBORS AND I SEE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB, UH, KEEPING OUR COUNTY A GREAT, ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO LIVE.
DESPITE THE CHALLENGES WE'VE ENCOUNTERED FISCALLY WITH THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT WITH SOME OTHER, UH, BAD ACTORS IN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND LOOK WHERE WE ARE NOW, UH, THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.
IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO RAISE FAMILIES.
IT'S FINANCIALLY SOUND, UH, AND, UH, IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE TO FOLKS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR OUR WAY OF LIFE TO THAT END.
I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT AS NEIGHBORS, WE ALL HAVE HIGH STANDARDS AND HIGH RESPONSIBILITIES TO LOOK OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER, TO LISTEN TO OPPOSING VIEWS AND TO FIND WAYS OF CONSENSUS AND COOPERATION FOR THE GREATER GOOD.
AND THAT'S A CHALLENGE, IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE.
AND I REALLY THINK, AND, UH, WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB HERE.
UH, NOT ONLY IN LEADERSHIP, BUT AS A COUNTY OF, OF FOLKS SPEAKING UP, HAVING CIVIL DIALOGUE AND, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, REALIZING WE HAVE A LOT MORE IN COMMON THAN WE HAVE TO TWO WITH WHICH TO DISAGREE.
ONE THING I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION FROM THE, FROM THE POINT OF INCLUSION IS I DON'T THINK WE OFFER A ZOOM OPTION, UH, FOR THESE MEETINGS.
AND, UH, I KNOW WE HAVE THAT ABILITY.
I KNOW YOU'RE OFFERING A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS FOR WRITTEN COMMENT FOR EMAILS AND THINGS LIKE THIS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE I SAID, AS PEOPLE DOING BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE AS NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR, IT'S FACE TO FACE, UH, THERE'S ONE THING ABOUT BEING ABLE TO SEE SOMEONE'S FACE AND THE EMOTIONS THAT COME WITH THOSE WORDS.
AND I KNOW AT THE STATE LEVEL, CAUSE I SPENT SOME TIME IN ADVOCACY DOWN AT THE, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT THEY USE ZOOM DOWN THERE.
UH, NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, BUT BECAUSE IT'S AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE OF DISTANCE OR SCHEDULES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, TO CHALLENGE THE BOARD HERE TO MAKE THAT OPTION AVAILABLE FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETINGS FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT WANT TO BE POURED THOSE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO BE PARKED IN THESE COMMUNITY DISCUSSIONS.
AGAIN, I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND JUST BEING ALL AROUND GOOD FOLKS, THREE MINUTES.
I'D RATHER BE LUCKY THAN GOOD.
WE'RE WORKING THE JERSEY AT HERE, BUT WITHOUT THE ACCIDENT.
THANK YOU MR. MCDERMOTT, ANYBODY ELSE FOR CITIZEN COMMENT? OKAY.
I WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN PERIOD AND NOW WE MOVE INTO OUR
[XV. Public Hearings]
PUBLIC HEARINGS.UM, OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, UM,
[1. 5253: District 4 - CU-2021-00011 Application by Glynn and Patricia Whitten]
I DO NEED A MOTION.WE HAD, UM, REQUESTS FOR DEFERRAL OUTPUT THAT EARLIER.
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OH, UM, UM, NO, I THINK MR. SHARP IS THANK YOU, MIKE SIGN.UH, THIS IS ON THE, UH, YES, I WAS JUST GOING TO MOVE THIS BOARD TO, FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SEE YOU 2021 DASH 0 0 0 1 1 FOR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE AT 2000 VALENTINE ROAD TO THE MARCH 20 MARCH 1ST, 2022 MEETING SIX O'CLOCK AS REQUESTED BY THE, WE HAVE A FIRST AND THE SECOND A DISCUSSION BOARD ROLL CALL VOTE.
UM, I SEE A LOT OF FAMILIAR FACES, BUT I SEE A LOT OF NEW FACES AS WELL.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU TO GIVE YOU A IDEA OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO OPERATE.
JUST SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE FAMILIAR.
UM, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS AS WE GO INTO EACH ONE, OUR STAFF IS GOING TO COME AND DO A PRESENTATION.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL ALLOW THE APP.
WE MAY, THE BOARD MAY ASK THE STAFF SOME QUESTIONS.
THEN AFTER THAT, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AS THEY, AS THEY WOULD LIKE.
AND THEN WE WILL MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION WHERE FOLKS WILL COME UP AND HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
AND THEN WE GIVE THE APPLICANTS AFTER THE, EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN THAT WE GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
IF THEY'D LIKE TO, UM, THAT WE WILL LOOK FOR, I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION AND THEN WE WILL GET A MOTION TO SECOND AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO DISCUSSION AND THEN A VOTE.
SO JUST SO EVERYBODY KIND OF HAS AN IDEA OF WHAT TO EXPECT IN ME, YOU KNOW, WHEN TO GET UP AND NOT TO GET UPSET.
ALL RIGHT, AT THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MS. SHERRY.
[2. 5240: District 3 - CU-2021-00012 Application by River City Funding, LLC]
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. ALVAREZ, I'M JAMIE SHERRY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.OUR FIRST APPLICATION RIVER SITTING FUNDING.
THEY ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY HOUSING FAMILY HOUSING UNIT ON, UH, LEE ROAD.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, IN THE CROZIER AREA, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL LIMITED.
THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST AND THE SOUTH ARE ALSO ZONED RESIDENTIAL LIMITED TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST.
WE HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT, UH, AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE, UH, AREA, BUT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA AS RESIDENTIAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.
THIS IS THE AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF ROUTE SIX AND LEAVE ROAD, UM, ON THE AERIAL, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE EXISTING DWELLING, UH, AND THEN IN THE KIND OF COVERED BY SOME OF THE TREE COVER, THERE IS A OLD, UH, WOODWORKING BUILDING THAT IS SUBJECT TO THIS REQUEST.
SO THE SITE PLAN SHOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
SO THE AREA, UM, IN THE RED IS THE, UH, EXISTING DWELLING.
AND RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THE WOOD SHOPPING, UH, WHICH SHOPPING WOOD WORKING AREA IS.
UM, THE, UM, UH, BOTH OF THESE, UH, STRUCTURES WOULD ENTER ONTO LEE ROAD AND SHARE THE SAME DRIVEWAY.
THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE A HISTORY OF DISREPAIR AND CODE VIOLATION.
UH, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO RENOVATE BOTH BUILDINGS AND ACTUALLY HAS, UH, ALREADY STARTED, UM, TURNING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE INTO THE SECOND DWELLING.
THE APPLICANT IS AN INVESTOR AND DOES NOT PLAN TO PLAN TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT WHEN THEY MARKET THE HOUSE FOR SALE, THEY WILL MARKET IT AS A IN-LAWS SUITE.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 1.35 ACRES.
UM, THE PRIMARY DWELLING IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS ACTUALLY A TWO-STORY BUILDING.
IT HAS A WALKOUT BASEMENT, THE 5 33 SQUARE FEET THAT I HAD, THE 533 SQUARE FEET THAT I HAVE ON THE SLIDE IS REFERENCING THE TOP FLOOR.
THE BOTTOM LEVEL WILL BE, WILL REMAIN UNFINISHED.
UM, THE PICTURE FARTHEST TO THE RIGHT, UM, SHOWS THE, THE, UM, SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDING, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 58 FEET.
UM, BOTH OF THE, UH, BUILDINGS DO MEET THE SETBACKS FOR A DWELLING IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT IT'S IN AN ARWAN CUMULATIVE PLANNING APPLICATION.
UM, THIS IS A CONSISTENT USE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS I MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS AN INVESTOR AND DOES NOT PLAN TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS USE IS LIMITED BY THE CONDITIONS IN THIS
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PERMIT.UM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT ONLY FAMILY CAN LIVE THERE AND ANOTHER IS THAT, UM, THE, EACH BUILDING CAN NOT BE RENTED SEPARATELY.
SO IT'S ONE, ONE RENTAL FOR THE ENTIRE PLACE, IF IT WERE TO BE RENTED.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A CONDITION IT'S OUR TRADITIONAL OR STANDARD, UH, TRANSFER RELEASE, WHICH IS NUMBER EIGHT IN YOUR PACKET THAT REQUIRES NOTIFICATION, UM, TO THE COUNTY WHEN THE PROPERTY IS EITHER SOLD OR LEASED.
UM, AND THEY'RE ALSO TO NOTIFY, UM, THE, UM, UH, THE NEW OWNER OR THE NEW LEASEE OF THE ASSOCIATED, UH, UH, UH, OF THIS PERMIT.
UM, HOWEVER, WITHOUT THIS INFORMATION BEING TRANSFERRED, WE DO RUN THE RISK OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, BELIEVING THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO RENT THAT SECOND DWELLING.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD BACK IN OCTOBER, TWO NEIGHBORS WERE IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, THERE WERE INITIAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE SECOND DWELLING BEING USED AS A, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL, UM, AFTER LEARNING ABOUT, UH, THE CUP REQUIREMENTS, UH, THE ATTENDEES, UH, WERE IN SUPPORT.
UH, WE DID HEAR, UH, FROM ONE CITIZEN, UH, UH, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL, UH, IN OPPOSITION OF THIS REQUEST AT THE DECEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A FIVE ZERO VOTE, AND NOBODY SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FOR, UH, THIS CASE, IF YOU WERE TO, UM, APPROVE, UH, NUMBER ONE WOULD BE TO ALLOW FOR THIS USE NUMBER TWO ON THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS EXHIBIT A, TO HAVE IT BE IMPROVED, UM, AND CONSIDERED CONSISTENT WITH THAT, UH, LUNING THE USE TO, UM, FAMILY MEMBERS, AS WELL AS NO RENTAL OF THE PROPERTY SET, UH, OF THE PROPERTY SEPARATELY, DWELLING SEPARATELY, A SMOKE DETECTOR AND CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTORS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE INSTALLED AND MAINTAINED, UM, ACCESS WOULD BE, UH, REQUIRED, UH, SO THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES, UH, COULD ACCESS BOTH, UM, BOTH DWELLINGS.
UM, IF YOU NOTICE ON YOUR, ON THE DIAS, I HAD LEFT A, UM, UH, THE RESOLUTION, THERE IS A CHANGE SINCE THE STAFF REPORT WENT OUT, UH, NUMBER SEVEN ON, IT SAYS JANUARY, BUT SINCE THE MEETING WAS CANCELED IN JANUARY, UM, I NEGLECTED TO CHANGE IT IN THE RESOLUTION.
SO BEFORE YOU, IT GIVES THEM THE TIME TO FEBRUARY, UH, 26, 20 26, WHICH IS THE, UM, A FIVE-YEAR LEASE RENEWAL.
AND LASTLY, THE TRADITIONAL, UH, STANDARD IT'S TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP.
I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS THE, UM, THE ONE THAT REQUIRES THE HOUSE WHEN IT IS SOLD OR LEASED TO, UH, NOTIFY BOTH THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS THE, THE RESONANCE THAT IS, UM, MY PRESENTATION.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE.
AND MR. MARQUEZ, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO.
AND PUSHES AT THE TIME? UM, SURE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, SO THE MAIN DWELLING IS CURRENTLY AND OCCUPIED OR NOT.
UM, IT IS BEING THE, UM, THE INVESTOR HAS ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND HAS ALREADY STARTED THE RENOVATION.
SO IN THE EVENT, THIS WAS NOT, UH, PERMITTED.
HE HAS NOT INSTALLED ANY KITCHEN OR HAS ANY, UM, UH, UH, PERMITS TO CHANGE IT.
SO IT'S NOT BEING, UM, LIVED IN RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS I KNOW.
SO THE PLAN WOULD BE TO SELL THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WITH THE MAIN DWELLING AND THE ACCESSORY DWELLING ON THAT SAME PROPERTY TOGETHER.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, MS. CHAIRMAN.
AND SO THE, UM, ACCESSORY DWELLING IS 500 AND SOME SQUARE FEET FOR THE TOP LEVEL.
SO THERE'S THAT INCLUDE KITCHEN RESTROOM FACILITIES? UM, IT WOULD, IF RIGHT NOW IT DOES HAVE, UM, A, UH, UH, A LIVING AREA, LIKE AT A TOP OF IT, LIKE A BONUS ROOM, BUT THERE'S NO KITCHEN IN IT CURRENTLY, BUT IT WILL.
AND, UM, THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY DOES HAVE THE FLOOR PLAN THAT HE'S PROPOSING.
UH, NO BUILDING PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR THAT PART OF IT, BUT HE DOES HAVE A FLOOR PLAN THAT CAN SHARE WITH YOU.
SEE IF YOU WANNA HEAR FROM THE AVATAR THE OPPOSITE LIGHT DUTY, AND IF YOU DON'T MIND GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, THAT'D BE GREAT.
I'M WITH URBAN LAND SOLUTIONS, LLC.
AND I'VE BEEN DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
I JUST ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE INSTEAD OF ME JUST RAMBLING ON ABOUT MY ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS.
I THINK THE NEIGHBORS APPRECIATE IT, OR YOU'RE CLEANING UP AND IT LOOKS GOOD.
HONESTLY, YOU'RE WORKING ON, SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS ON.
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THIS IS JUST SORT OF A MINOR POINT ON THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP.YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONDITIONS AND THESE CONDITIONS RUNNING WITH THE LAND.
SO THE NEXT PERSON WILL HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S STAFF POINTED OUT IN THEIR REPORT TO US WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE INFORMATION BEING TRANS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONDITIONS BEING COMMUNICATED TO A BUYER, UM, THE FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER MAY, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING.
SO I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
UM, PURSUANT TO YOUR CONDITION THAT SAYS PRIOR TO THE TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY OWNERS SHALL NOTIFY IN WRITING A, THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN TRANSFER AND BE THE NEW OWNER OF THIS CUP AT ITS CONDITIONS.
UM, I'M A LAWYER DURING THE DAY AND, AND I DO SOME REAL ESTATE WORK.
AND, AND I WONDER IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO CHANGE THAT TO, IT SHOULD BE IN THE CONTRACT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SELL TO SOMEBODY, YOU SHOULD NOTIFY THEM IN THE CONTRACT PRIOR TO THE TRANSFER.
IT, IT MAY NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MODIFY THAT TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP PROVISION TO SAY SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT THAT YOU'LL NOTICE THAT YOU'LL PUT THE, PUT A NOTIFICATION OF THE CUP AND ITS CONDITIONS IN, IN A CONTRACT OF PURCHASE? ABSOLUTELY.
MY INTENT HAS NEVER BEEN TO SELL THIS PROPERTY WITH SOMEONE, TAKING IT ON IS POSSIBLY RENTING THE STRUCTURE RIGHT.
AND HAVING A FULL-TIME FAMILY.
AND THE OTHER MONITOR IS JUST SIMPLY JUST TAKING A NICE ORE AND TRYING TO, UH, DO SOMETHING WITH IT AND ALSO MAKE IT HABITABLE FOR A LARGE FAMILY OR SOMEONE THAT NEEDED CARE THAT WAS CLOSER TO HOME INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TRAVEL SOMEPLACE TO, OR A NURSING FACILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT ANYTHING INTO THE CONTRACT TO BE ABLE TO.
AND AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD THAT I WORRY ABOUT, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING AGAIN, I COMPLIMENTED YOU.
CAUSE I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD, GOOD IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UH, MODIFYING THAT, SO THAT, SO THAT THAT CONDITION WILL BE, YOU KNOW, W IT WON'T THINGS WON'T GET OUT OF ORDER AND PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO ONCE THEY PUT AN OFFER ON.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS THAT MY RECOMMENDATION, IF I, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE ADD, AS I WOULD PREFER THAT WE NOT REPLACE WHAT'S THERE BECAUSE WHAT'S, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO CHECK.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING NOTICE, WE'LL KNOW IF WE GET NOTICE OR DON'T, WE WON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ACCESS TO THE CONTRACT, BUT IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD COMMITMENT FOR THEM TO MAKE TO ONE ANOTHER.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'D BE ABLE TO ENFORCE UNLESS IT'S BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
SO IF I COULD, I WOULD BE WILLING TO, AND OF COURSE, UM, MS. SHERRY MAY ALSO BE INTERESTED JUST PUTTING TOGETHER A QUICK SENTENCE THAT SAYS WHILE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN HELD, THAT SAYS THAT INFORMATION WOULD GO INTO THE CONTRACT, AND THEN WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT WOULD READ IT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKED THE APPLICANT TO AFFIRM THAT AS AN AMENDED CONDITION, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE IF YOU STIPULATE IT, ANYTHING THAT'S NEEDED FOR THIS TO GO FOR, THEN I'LL MAKE SURE THAT MY LORD IS SHARING THE ROAD, TAKES CARE OF IT AND ADDS THAT INTO THE WORDING FOR THE LISTING, OR WHEN WE GET TO A POINT WHERE SOMEONE IS ACTUALLY LOOKING TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, YOU GET YOUR LAWYER ON IT.
SO THEN I'M COVERED THAT WILL TELL YOU, I'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED.
I HAVE SUBMITTED THE PERMIT LAST WEEK WITH, UM, PLANNING FOR, TO GO TO THE NEXT STAGE.
AS FAR AS WITH THE ADDITION OF THE KITCHEN, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN IN PLACE, UH, PULLED ALL THE PERMITS AND HAD EVERYTHING EXPECTED.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS THAT IS, THAT, IS THAT YOUR FLOOR PLAN FOR THE BACK PROPERTY? YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, HOWEVER, THE, THE, THE DOORS GOING INTO THE BEDROOM OR INCORRECT, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT EAGERNESS FRIENDLY.
SO THAT ONE GOING INTO THE BEDROOM IS ACTUALLY A RIGHT-HAND SWING OUTWARD.
UM, THE ONE GOING INTO THE SUITE, THAT LITTLE SMALL EN SUITE THERE WHERE THE TOILET IS, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND CASHIER HAD TO EGRESS OUT OF THE BEDROOM AND THE DOOR COMING OUT OF THE BATHROOM IS ALSO A RAIN HAND OUT SWING.
SO YOU CAN GET OUT OF THE STRUCTURE IN CASE OF A TIMELY OR NEEDED EVENT.
SO, SO THAT WILL BE CORRECTED.
I'LL HAVE THAT, I'LL DRAW THAT UP AND PRESENT IT.
APPRECIATE YOUR METICULOUSNESS ON THAT.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE THIS LAST CLIP.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
SO YOU HAVE NO INTENT TENSIONS OF LIVING IN THE HOUSE, RENTING THAT HOUSE, THE MAIN STRUCTURE, PRIMARY STRUCTURE OUT, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, MY IS DEVELOPED PROPERTY, UM, IN AN ORION GOOCHLAND WHEN I GET THE OPPORTUNITY AND SOMETIMES IN THE CITIES, BUT, UM, NO I DON'T EVER, UM,
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UM, LIVE IN ANY PLACE THAT I DEVELOP OR BUILD.I JUST STRICTLY DO IT TO MAKE IT, UM, FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AND TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT WAS TRULY IN DISREPAIR.
AND JUST AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT WAS A DISASTER, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY SOMEONE WILL FIND SOME, SOME GOOD USE OUT OF IT.
BOARD, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
DON'T GO ANYWHERE, STICK AROUND.
THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN UP OUR PUBLIC, HEARING THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK.
COME ON UP AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, MS. AND HE'S GOT TO DO SOME FAST WRITING.
MY SERVICES ARE PRICELESS AS YOU WELL KNOW, SHE WORKS AT NIGHT.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, NOTHING FOR THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO.
SO IF I MAY LET ME, UM, UH, READ INTO THE RECORD AND TO THE APPLICANT, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE TO ADD TO THE CONDITION AND THESE CONDITIONS ARE IMPOSED, BUT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO YOU.
IF WE ADD IT TO CONDITION NUMBER 22, IT WILL ALREADY SAY WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT TRANSFER.
AT LEAST NOTIFYING THE DEPARTMENT RIVER CITY.
IN ADDITION, THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL INCLUDE IN ANY CONTRACT FOR SALE OR LEASE OF THE PROPERTY, NOTICE TO THE PURCHASER OR LESS, OR THAT THE PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE FINAL CONDITION EIGHT OF THE CASE APPLICANT.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
DID YOU ALREADY NOTE, UH, MS. SHERRY THAT THE CHANGE TO THE EXPLORATION IN SHE DID, AND I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO REPEAT THAT HERE.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C U 2020 1 0 0 12 FOR AN ATTACHED ACCESS DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT ON 1.35 ACRES AT 9 84 LEE ROAD, UM, WITH THE AMENDMENT, UH, TO NUMBER SEVEN FROM WHAT'S IN OUR PACKET, THE AMENDMENT ON NUMBER SEVEN AT THE CUP EXPIRES THE LAST DAY OF FEBRUARY, NOT JANUARY, FEBRUARY 20, 27.
AND THAT WE ADD TO NUMBER EIGHT, THE SENTENCE, JUST READ INTO THE RECORD BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
THIS LAST BOARD, ANY DISCUSSION? UM, ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO THE WAY THAT, UM, UH, CORRECTION OR MEN THAT WAS MADE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY BEING LEASED.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, CAN THIS PROPERTY CAN THAT I KNOW HE'S NOT HIS INTENT, BUT CAN THAT PRIMARY RESIDENCE BE LEASED? RIGHT.
SO, UM, AND IN AN EARLIER CONDITION, IT DOES PUT A RESTRICTION ON RENTING THEM SEPARATELY.
SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO RENT A, THE FIRST HOUSE, THE PRIMARY HOUSE, THEY COULD HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER, UM, WHO THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OWNING IT, BUT LET'S SAY, UM, A FAMILY WAS THERE AND THEY HAD AN IN-LAW THAT CAME IN BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, BUT THEY COULD NOT BE RENTED SEPARATELY.
SO THIS PROPERTY COULD BE SOLD IN ITS ENTIRETY OR RENTED.
YES, MA'AM AND THAT'S EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING, RIGHT.
YES, ACTUALLY PROBABLY BE DOING IT FOR, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, THIS IS, UM, WE HAD CALLS ON THIS HOUSE FOR A LONG TIME AND, AND THEN, AND THERE REALLY WASN'T A WHOLE LOT THAT COULD BE DONE, UM, TO GET IT CLEANED UP.
AND THE NEIGHBORS WERE VERY UPSET.
AND WHAT THIS APPLICANT HAS DONE.
UH, IT'S AN EXTREMELY ATTRACTIVE PROPERTY NOW.
AND, UH, SO IT'S, IT HAS, AS HE SAID, HE WAS TRYING TO IMPROVE PROPERTIES IN GOOCHLAND AND HE, I THINK HE'S DONE ON THAT'S THE PERFECT JOB OF THAT.
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AND, UH, I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS APPRECIATE IT.ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE.
BOARD MEMBERS IS DISTRICT THREE.
THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT, SHOWING HIM ALL RIGHT.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO OUR NEXT CASE.
[3. 5225: District 1 - RZ-2021-00011 Application by Danny and Madison Queensberry]
SURE.I THINK WE HAD TOO MUCH SUGAR AT DINNER OVER HERE ON THE SIDE OF THE BORDER.
OUR NEXT APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR DANNY AND MADISON QUEENSBURY TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY ZONED AS AGRICULTURAL GENERAL TO RESIDENTIAL, RURAL, AND ORDER TO CREATE A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ON DAVIS MILL ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL AS ARE ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREAS.
UH, THIS IS THE AREA OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS AN EXISTING DWELLING, UH, TOWARDS THE UPPER MIDDLE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THERE ARE, UM, SEVERAL OUTBUILDINGS ALSO LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS DAVE DOES SMELL ROAD AND THE CURRENT PROPERTY IS ACCESSED FROM THE DRIVEWAY, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ARIEL.
SO ALL THE BUY-RITE SUBDIVISION SPLIT HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM THE PARENT TRACK, WHICH IS, UH, WHY, UH, THE PROPERTY MUST BE REZONED FROM AN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR THE FILING OF THE APPLICATION.
UM, UM, ON THE SCREEN IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A 22.282 ACRE PARCEL.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE, THERE IS ONE DWELLING AND SEVERAL OUTBUILDINGS ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANT PLANS TO SUBDIVIDE THE PARCEL INTO FOUR LOTS, UH, ONE LOT FOR THE EXISTING DWELLING AND THREE NEW BUILDING, LOTS.
THIS ZONING DISTRICT DOES REQUIREMENT REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF FIVE ACRES.
EACH OF THE PARCELS IDENTIFIED AND THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN DO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, UH, THE APPLICANT IN ADDITION TO THE CO UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, PROFFERED THAT NO ADDITIONAL DIVISIONS WOULD BE TAKEN OFF OF THIS PROPERTY, A CASH PROFFER AND A BUFFER ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ALONG LOT ONE.
UM, SO THIS IS A MARKUP OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO SEND.
UM, THE, UH, AS SHOWN HERE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES, UM, ACCESSES ONTO DAVIS MILL ROAD.
UM, THIS ONE ACCESS WOULD, UM, ALLOW, UM, ONE AND TWO TO THEIR PROPERTIES AND THIS ACCESS EVENT WOULD CROSS A LOT TOO AND HAVE ACCESS TO LOTS THREE AND FOUR.
UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE DOES ONLY ALLOW TWO LOTS WITHOUT CONSTRUCTING A PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, SO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS A DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD CROSS LOT TWO.
HOWEVER, THE OWNERS OF LOT TWO WOULD HAVE NO LEGAL USE, UM, OR OF THAT DRIVEWAY THAT IS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
UH, THIS IS CONCERNING BECAUSE IT COULD POSE A FUTURE CODE VIOLATION, MEANING THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, I MEAN, NOT THE APPLICANT, THE OWNER OF LOT TWO JUST USES THE LOT ANYWAY, OR IN THE EVENT THAT, UH, LOTS THREE AND FOUR DON'T MAINTAIN THAT ACCESS.
IT COULD BECOME A MAINTENANCE ISSUE ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER.
SO, UM, CONCERNS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED, UM, SO THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED BY RECONFIGURING THE EXISTING LAYOUT.
UM, THIS IS JUST A VERY RUDE DRAWING THAT I DID OVER TOPIC, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY, UM, UH, SOLVE THIS, UM, THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAS.
UM, THEY CAN CONSTRUCT A PRIVATE ROAD, WHICH IS DEPICTED HERE IN THE RED THAT WOULD ACCESS ALL FOUR LOTS.
SO THAT WOULD BE A PRIVATE ROAD.
UH, THIS OPTION WOULD ALSO ELIMINATE, UM, THAT SECOND ACCESS ONTO DAVIS MILL ROAD.
UM, THIS IS ANOTHER POSSIBLE, UM, OPTION WITH THE EXISTING LAYOUT.
UM, THEY COULD, UM, BUILD A PRIVATE ROAD THAT ONLY ACCESSES, UM,
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THAT HAS ACCESS FRONTAGE ONTO LOTS, UH, UH, ALL THREE LOTS.SO THAT WOULD BE LOTS, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, AND THEN HAVE A SINGLE DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD ACCESS A LOT, ONE OR THE THIRD OPTION IS TO, UH, COMPLETELY RECONFIGURE THE, UM, THE LOT SO THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE IMPACT AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY, UH, UH, CONFIGURING IT.
THEY MIGHT HAVE TO LOSE A LOT IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH IT.
UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE PRIVATE ROAD STANDARDS FOR A SMALL SUBDIVISION, TWO TO FOUR LOTS DOES NOT REQUIRE, UM, TO MEET V DOT STANDARDS.
UM, THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE SUBDIVISION ARE, UM, FOUR INCHES CRUSHED GRAVEL, UM, OR STONE, UM, 16 FEET WIDE, AND MUST HAVE POSITIVE DRAINAGE, UM, TO MEET THE FIRE RESCUE.
IT IS A 20 FOOT ROAD WITH WHAT THOSE OTHER CONDITIONS THE COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD BACK IN OCTOBER, A COMMISSION MEMBER, MR. MYERS, AND TWO NEIGHBORS ATTENDED, UM, UH, NEIGHBORS EXPRESSED, UH, NO ISSUES OR CONCERNS WITH THE REZONING.
UM, STAFF DID RECEIVE ONE PHONE CALL EXPRESSING OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST AND AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, IN DECEMBER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A FIVE ZERO VOTE ON ONE CITIZEN DID SPEAK IN OPPOSITION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOTING CONCERNS WITH NOISE, POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON WATER AND, UM, THE WATERSHED WATER TABLE AND WATERSHED, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, THIS IS A SUMMARY OF WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH IS DEPICTED ON THE SCREEN.
UM, I CASH PROFFER OF $12,039.
UM, THIS WOULD BE FOR THE THREE NEW LOTS, THE EXISTING LOT THAT HAS THE HOUSE ON IT WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE CASH PRO UM, UH, CASH PROFFERS, UM, THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL SUBDIVISIONS ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THAT ONLY TO ACCESS, UM, TO ACCESSES ON DAVIS MILL ROAD.
AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE WOULD BE A 30 FOOT NATURAL BUFFER ALONG THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ON LOT ONE THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SHERRY AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
WOULD THE APPLICANT, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? ALRIGHT, I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I LIVE AT 33 54 GRIFFITH LANE, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY APPROXIMATELY 19 YEARS AGO.
I BECAME A TEACHER AND WE MOVED TO THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE WE WANTED A PLACE THAT WAS SECLUDED, PEACEFUL, QUIET.
WE'VE HAD THAT UNTIL APPROXIMATELY 18 MONTHS AGO.
AND AT THAT POINT WE STARTED HAVING A PROBLEM WITH NOISE, UH, GUNSHOTS, UM, EXPLOSIONS.
THERE'VE BEEN NUMEROUS PHONE CALLS TO THE DEPUTIES.
IT'S BEEN UNSETTLING TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT COULD CONTINUE TO HAPPEN TO THIS PROPERTY THAT I SEE A 30 FOOT BUFFER, BUT I DON'T SEE A 30 FOOT BUFFER AT ANY OTHER PLACE.
OTHER THAN THAT WESTERN EDGE, THAT'S NOT MY EDGE.
IT ALSO ADJACENT TO MY MOTHER'S PROPERTY, WHICH, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY BUFFER ZONE THERE.
I RAISED QUESTIONS AT THE ZONING MEETING AND I REALIZED I CAN NOT ASK YOU QUESTIONS, BUT THESE ARE RHETORICAL THEN IS THE WATERSHED.
HAS THAT ANYBODY LOOKED AT THAT HAS THE DEPARTMENT LOOKED AT OUR POND IS MUCH LOWER THAN THE PROPERTY.
SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO OUR POND? WE ARE A MINIATURE FARM.
WE ALSO DEPEND ON OUR AQUIFER.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THREE MORE PROPERTIES HAVE PUT ON THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT ELEVATION AND DRAINAGE.
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TOO.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM UNDERSTANDING.
WE WANT DEVELOPMENT IN GOODLAND, BUT OUR AREA OF GOOCHLAND IS A VERY RURAL AREA.
AND WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND I HOPE THAT THE BOARD CONSIDERS THAT TONIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE? CAN WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC
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HEARING BOARD, ANY MOTIONS OR CUTS CONVERSATION QUESTIONS? OH, I'LL, I'LL START IT OFF.I'VE HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH THIS APPLICATION AND, UM, UH, A FOLLOW UP, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY MISS LAST QUAD HAS SOME THOUGHTS.
UM, TH THE ROAD PIECE IS, UH, TROUBLED ME FROM THE GET GO.
NOW I KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION SENDS US FIVE O CREW, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY LOOK AT THE THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'RE THE ROAD PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I WAS GOING TO ASK MS. SHERRY SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK I GOT ENOUGH OF THE FLAVOR OF THIS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE TIME TO CURB COSTS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO CURB COSTS, BUT I AGREE IF YOU HAVE A ROAD GOING DOWN YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR PROPERTY LINE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE OUT THERE POLICING WHETHER THEY'RE USING THAT ROAD OR NOT.
UM, BUT AS PRESENTED TODAY, THE LOT TO OWNERS, NOT GOING TO BE USING THE, THE ROADWAY THAT GOES DOWN THEIR LOT AND THE PURPOSE, IF THE APPLICANT WERE HERE TO ADDRESS THIS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
BUT, BUT TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PURPOSE IS MERELY TO SAVE COSTS.
AND AFTER THIS SNOW STORM WE HAD IN JANUARY WHERE FIRETRUCKS AND OTHER THINGS HAD TROUBLE GETTING TO PLACES I, I'M NOT TOO KEEN ON APPROVING SOMETHING THAT DOES THAT, THAT SEEMS TO SKIRT THE ROAD REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, I I'M LEANING AGAINST APPROVING THIS.
I WISH THE APPLICANT WERE HERE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS, BUT I'LL CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING ON THE BOARD'S THOUGHTS OR THE BOARD MEMBERS.
I AM ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROAD SITUATION HERE.
UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A ROAD THAT'S TRANSVERSING SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, UH, I THINK THAT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
I ALSO THINK THOSE TWO DRIVEWAYS SO CLOSE TOGETHER ON DAVIS MILL, WHERE THERE'S A, THERE'S A CURB IS ALSO A PROBLEM.
I'M NOT SURE WHETHER WE APPROVE THIS OR DON'T APPROVE THIS.
IT'S GOING TO ADDRESS, UH, THE QUESTION AND THE ISSUE WITH THE NOISE THAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAVE.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONTROL THAT IN THIS APPLICATION OR THIS PROCESS HERE TONIGHT.
SO, UM, TO ME THAT THERE'S SOME PRETTY SERIOUS ISSUES, THE WAY THIS THING IS SET UP.
SO I ALSO AGREE, UM, I'M PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE IN FAVOR OF IT.
YOU WANT TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP? LET ME, MS. SHERRY, IF I MAY, NOTHING'S BEEN BUILT ON THESE YOU, I MEAN, THEY'RE TRYING TO SUBDIVIDE IT.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE HEARD ABOUT A NOISE CONCERN THAT THAT KIND OF GAVE ME PAUSE TO, BUT THIS HAS NOT BEEN SOME DIVIDED YET.
THEY'RE NOT BUILDING AND TRYING TO TRY TO GET, UH, AFTER THE FACT FIXED A ZONING FIX OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT WAS PRESENTED IN THE AERIALS HOW IT IS TODAY.
THERE IS ONE RESIDENCE ON THE PROPERTY ALREADY, MS. SHERRY, WHILE YOU'RE THERE, UM, ON YOUR DRAWING WITH, WITH THE ROAD HAS PROPOSED, THERE'S A PIECE, THERE'S A LITTLE PIECE OF LAND TO THE RIGHT.
SO THAT ROAD, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT ROAD WOULD BE PART OF THE PARCEL THAT THEY'RE BLOCKING OUT.
WHY WOULD THEY NOT ADD? IT JUST SEEMS ODD THAT THEY WOULDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THE PARCELS THAT ARE BEING USED.
JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, ARE YOU SAYING, I FORGET IT WOULD BE PART OF THIS? YES.
THAT WOULD BE OWNED BY LOT TOO.
UM, THERE, THERE IS A REASON BEHIND THAT, UM, BECAUSE, UH, IT, THE WAY THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS YOU CAN ONLY HAVE A FLAG LOT.
UM, THE, UH, LESS THAN 300 FEET LONG, IT HAS TO BE LESS THAN 300.
THIS WOULD BE MORE THAN 300 FEET LONG.
SO IF YOU LOOK, UM, IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A FLAG.
LIKE IF WE WERE TO TAKE IT UP THAT WAY, THAT WOULD BECOME A FLAG LOT.
AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW IT UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT IT DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE LIKE A DOUBLE FLAG, A LOT.
IT'S ONE THAT'S GOING OUT TO TWO FLAGS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT WOULD BE THAT'S THE FLIGHT BOOK.
SO THEY'RE NOT DATING, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE DOING, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THIS ON LOT TWO TO AVOID THE PRIVATE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF, THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID AGAIN, THIS IS JUST MY IMPRESSION BASED ON, ON THE APPLICATION, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID BUILDING THE ROAD TO CERTAIN STANDARDS.
AND PART OF THAT IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE AVOIDING A FLAG LOT CAUSE CAUSE THE EASIEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO DEED THAT STEM THAT POLE TO THE TWO LOTS.
BUT THEN THERE, THEN IF THEY DID THAT TO BE INVOLVED, IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED.
IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S SUBDIVISION.
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STANDARD OF THE ROAD FOR THE DRIVEWAY THAT RUNS BACK OFF OF LOT TWO TO THREE AND FOUR, WHAT STANDARD DOES THAT ROAD HAVE TO BE BUILT? SO IF IT WERE TO BE A PRIVATE ROAD OR FOR IT TO BE A DRIVEWAY FOR IT TO WORK, AS IT'S SHOWN HERE, UM, THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED RIGHT HERE ON THAT ONE OR JUST THE ONE THAT THEY HAD ON THE ORIGINAL.SO THAT WOULD JUST BE A, UM, A DRIVEWAY.
SO YEAH, SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO MEET THE SAME STANDARDS.
UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR IT TO BE 16 FEET LONG OF THE, UM, OF DRIVE AISLE, I BELIEVE.
ARE YOU SAYING THOSE ARE THE STANDARDS FOR THE DRIVEWAY, A DRIVEWAY, I GUESS THEY HAVE TO HAVE 50 FEET AND THEN YES.
FOR A DRIVEWAY AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT THE SAME LEVEL OF COMPARTMENT AND THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED IF IT WERE A COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY.
SO IF THEY DON'T MAINTAIN IT AND A LOT, THE OWNER OF LOT TWO HAS NO RECOURSE AGAINST ANYBODY IF THEY DON'T MAINTAIN THE ROAD AND ANY SEMBLANCE OF YEAH.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE AGREEMENT WOULD LINE UP, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A DEFINITE POSSIBILITY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE RUTS IN IT AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF AND OVERGROWTH AND, AND HIS PROPERTY IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO THAT.
SO, SO, SO THEY DIDN'T NONE OF THEM AND I'M SURE YOU WOULD HAVE TOLD US, BUT TO FOLLOW UP MR. SHARP'S POINT, THEY DIDN'T MAKE ANY REPRESENTATIONS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A ROAD MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IN PLACE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S PRETTY DECENT, MR. UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE AFRICAN HERE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE OR AT LEAST PROVIDE A THIRD DIMENSION, HAVE YOU, IN YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM RUN SOME OF THESE SCENARIOS BY THAT SEEMED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THIS AND IF SO, WHAT WAS THEIR REACTION TO YOU? SO BY EXTENSION, I'M TRYING TO GET AT WHAT THEIR SINUSES THROUGH YOU KIND OF THING.
CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY I DID CONTACT THE APPLICANT A LITTLE OVER A WEEK AGO AND WANTED TO BRING THEM TO THE TABLE TO DISCUSS SOME OTHER OPTIONS, UH, TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE SAT STAFF REPORT AND THE CON UH, CONCERNS THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
UM, I WAS WITH MS. QUEENSBURY, UH, SHE SAID, UH, THAT SHE WAS FINE WITH THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED.
I ALSO DID GIVE HER THE, THE TIME AND LOCATION OF THE MEETING AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
MY QUESTION WAS REALLY, IF YOU HAD THIS TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES THAT DID NOT GET THE OPPORTUNITY YOU DIDN'T PRESENT TO THEM TO SAY, HEY, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THIS OR THE OTHER AND WHAT THEIR REACTION TO THAT? I STARTED THE CONVERSATION, BUT, UM, MS. QUEENSBERRY WAS NOT INTERESTED.
SO IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE NOT OPEN TO THE ALTERNATIVES.
THAT WAS BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION.
WE NEVER GOT INTO THE DETAILS.
TIME'S UP? UM, I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD DEFER THIS FOR A MONTH AND GET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO AT LEAST TRY TO COME IN COMPLIANCE WITH SOME OF THESE ORDINANCES, UM, IS THAT W I MEAN, Y'ALL WOULD BE WILLING TO CONTACT.
CERTAINLY I'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, IF WE DENY IT, IT'S LIKE, OOPS, THERE WE GO.
SO IF WE DENY IT, THEN IT'S AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR BEFORE THEY CAN APPLY AGAIN.
IS THAT CORRECT FOR SOMETHING SIMILAR SUBSTANTIALLY? SIMILAR.
I'M READY TO DO THE MOTION UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER, I READY FOR MOTION.
SO I MOVE THAT THE BOARD DEFER CONSIDERATION OF REZONING, OUR Z 2 0 2 0 2 1 DASH OH OH ONE, ONE WOMEN.
THIS IS 1, 1, 4, UH, THAT 2020 2.82 ACRES AT 3 0 3 6 DAVID SMELL ROAD, UM, TO MARCH OUR NEXT MEETING MARCH ONE SECOND.
AND I ASKED THAT THE STAFF CONTACT THE APPLICANT AGAIN AND SEE, CAN WE FIND A WAY TO GET TO, YES, I CERTAINLY WILL ALSO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION WHEN ALSO TAKING CONSIDERATION.
SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY, UH, THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
I WILL, I'LL INCLUDE A SUMMARY OF EMOTIONALLY SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION CALL FOR RECOVERY? YES,
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YES, YES, YES, NO.MATCH MOTION PASSES FOUR TO ONE.
[4. 5235: District 4 - RZ-2021-00010 Application by Markel - Eagle Advisors, LLC]
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.I AM RAY CASH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS CASE BEFORE YOU IS MARK KELLY IS EAGLE ADVISORS, LLC OFFER ALSO COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE GOLEMAN PROPERTY.
UM, THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM AGRICULTURE LIMITED EIGHT RESIDENTIAL PLAN, YOUR DEVELOPMENT RPD TO THE SAME ZONING AGRICULTURAL LIMITED AID TO IN RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH CONDITIONS ON THAT 72.988 ACRES.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE CENTERVILLE.
UM, THOSE SECTION OF THE COUNTY AND FAR EASTERN SECTION, UH, PRETTY CLOSE TO JASON TO ROUTE 2 88.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED DAY AT 82, AS WE MENTIONED, UM, ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO RPD AND ONE TO THE SOUTH, UM, A TWO TO THE NORTH AND THE RESIDENTIAL RN NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, TO THE NORTHWEST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES CALL FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH IS DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL AND TO THE SOUTH IS PRIMARY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LANDS A SCENARIO OF THE PROPERTY SHOWING OF COURSE THE AREAS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
AND SO IN THE NEXT SLIDES, WE'LL START TALKING ABOUT THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE AROUND IT.
UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS WE SORT OF OVERLAID, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT OVER TOP OF THE AERIAL HERE.
I WOULD NOTE IF YOU SEE THESE LITTLE TRIANGLE OR WEIRD SHAPES THAT WE TRIED TO GRAPHICALLY MATCH UP AS BEST AS WE COULD, UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY PART OF THE EXISTING READER'S BRANCH ZONING TO THE LEFT.
THEY HAVE ADDED IT TO THIS APPLICATION AND HELPS THEM, UH, REALIGN A LITTLE BIT, THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, UM, THE CONDITIONS OF COURSE ARE COMPATIBLE, UM, PRETTY COMPETITIVE WITHIN THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
SO NOT MUCH OF AN IMPACT THERE.
SO SUMMARY AGAIN, UH, WE'RE, THEY'RE GOING FROM ETUDE RPD WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
UM, THE REASONING IS, IS THAT THERE'S AN 82 PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU, BUT THAT NEEDED TO STAY.
UM, AND CULTURAL, IT'S NOT REALLY DEVELOPABLE, IT'S PRIMARILY A FLOOD PLAIN AREA, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT LAT LEFT AS AN INDEPENDENT FORGOTTEN PIECE.
AGAIN, THE ZONING DOES INCLUDE A PORTION OF THE READER SPRING IN SONY.
THERE HAVE BEEN UPDATED PROFFER SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN RELATED TO THE CON THE CONCEPT PLAN UPDATE, WHERE THEY ADDED UP TO SHOW THE EXTENSION OF ROTATE TO PROVIDE, UH, A STUB DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE UNTIL RODAY IS EVENTUALLY FULLY BUILT OUT, UM, AND RELATED TO THE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION PROFFERS.
SO WHAT THEY'RE CALLING IS WHAT IS STAFF AGAINST CURRENTLY REQUESTING IS A RESONANCE WITH THE ELEMENT WITH THE 122 UNITS, UM, THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 2.48 UNITS PER ACRE, UH, TO BE CLEAR, THE DENSITY IS BASED UPON JUST THE RPU D ZONING.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE AID TO PROPERTY THAT IS WITH THE APPLICATION.
UM, SO THE DENSITY IS BASED UPON THE RPU DAY.
THERE IS A MIX OF ATTACHED AND DETACHED UNITS ROW DAY, UM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A THOROUGHFARE PLAN ROAD WILL BE BUILT AS A TWO LANE SECTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT IS DEDICATED FOR THE FULL 100 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, SITE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC SHOULD BE DIRECTED THROUGH HOCKETT ROAD FROM HOCKEY RAY, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY EITHER REDUCED BRANCH SUBDIVISION.
UM, HERE IS A, UH, CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE BLUE ARROW UP HERE TO THE NORTHERN PORTION IS WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT WITH CONNECT TO WIPPER WELL ROAD.
UM, THERE IS A PROPOSED BUFFER ALONG THAT, UM, SECTION WHERE IT BORDERS THE PROPERTY.
WE CAN USE BRANCHES HERE DIRECTLY TO, IF I CAN FIND THAT ON THE SCREEN, HERE WE GO.
UH, REDUCE BRANCH AGAIN IS DIRECTLY OR TO THE WESTERN PORTION.
THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES ARE DOWN HERE THAT ARE PROPOSED TO INCLUDE, UM, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ITEMS. THERE IS ALSO A TRAIL THAT'S PROPOSED TO GO AROUND THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS IS THE STUB THAT WE WERE REFERRING TO, UM, THAT'S PROVIDES LEASE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, KNOWS THAT THERE WILL BE A FULL EXTENT THAT THIS ROAD WILL BE EXTENDED.
EVENTUALLY THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED IN THEIR PROFFER, THE FULL 100 FOOT, AS WELL AS ROAD DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS, UH, TO EACH END OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE THE ATTACHED UNITS.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT 32 OF THOSE POTENTIALLY THE HTA PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT I REFERENCED BEFORE, UM, IS
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OVER HERE.AND AGAIN, FLOOD PLAIN AREA, THERE WILL BE, UM, A TRAIL THAT'S ADDED INTO THERE.
SO THERE WILL HAVE SOME BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, THIS IS, AS I SAID BEFORE, IT'S IN THE CENTERVILLE PLAN, THERE IS THE PROPOSED ROAD A WHICH, UM, IS ALREADY SHOWN ON OUR MASTER AND OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AGAIN, THAT WOULD CONNECT UP TO BROAD STREET ROAD THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND THEN DOWN SOUTH TO THE, UH, PRIMARY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA.
WE, AND HERE'S BRANCH DEVELOPMENT THAT'S DIRECTLY TO THE WEST CURRENTLY, UM, IS ZONE TO ALLOW 303 UNITS, 238 OF THOSE UNITS HAVE BEEN RECORDED SO FAR.
THERE DOES REMAIN A POTENTIAL 65 UNITS.
THERE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT ONTO HOCKETT ROAD.
UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE A CONNECTION THROUGH THE NORTHEASTERN PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THIS READER'S BRANCH SECTION FOUR THAT WAS JUST RECORDED, UM, HAS 49 LOTS.
THE APPLICANT WHO WAS ALSO ON MARCO EQUALS WHOLESALE.
UM, THE DEVELOPER OF READER'S BRANCH, NO FURTHER LOTS CAN BE DEVELOPED OFF OF THIS NORTHERN PORTION HERE UNTIL A SECOND ACCESS IS ACHIEVED.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONINGS FOR THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS WHIPPOORWILL ROAD IS CURRENTLY A STATE MAINTAINED ROAD THAT DOES HAVE A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 16 HOMES THAT ACCESS THAT ROADWAY MORE COMING.
UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME MORE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY, THE EXISTING PAVEMENT WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE IS GENERALLY LESS THAN 18 FEET.
I WOULD SAY 18 FEET APPEARS TO BE THE MAXIMUM SOUNDED VERY GOOD CONDITIONS AND PORTIONS, ESPECIALLY TOWARDS EITHER THE, WHERE THE CONNECTION INTO THIS, THE PROPOSED PROPERTY.
UM, AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE APPLICANT SIGNED PROPOSAL FOR THAT, UM, PROFIT IMPROVEMENTS WITH WHAT PAROLE ROAD WERE PROPOSED.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOCAL, UM, ROAD CURRENTLY, AGAIN, A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AS PROPOSED.
UM, THIS IS, UH, ALREADY DEDICATED TO V DOT.
THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED THE POTENTIAL OF UPGRADE, UM, BASED UPON A 40 FOOT DESIGN.
UH, PART OF THAT DESIGN INTENT WAS TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT UPON THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS A ROADSIDE DITCH NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AS I SAID BEFORE, 16 PAYMENT, LESS THAN 18 FEET, THIS WOULD GIVE HER PROPOSED 22 FOOT PAVEMENT PLUS THE PAVED SHOULDER.
UM, I MEAN, UH, THE, FOR EACH OF THESE, TO THE RIGHT, UH, PROVIDED HERE IS JUST A COMPARISON BETWEEN, UH, POTENTIAL THEY COULD DO IF THEY UTILIZE THE FULL 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, YOU END UP WITH ABOUT THE SAME, UH, LANE PAVEMENT, BUT POTENTIALLY YOU'D HAVE A LARGER SHOULDER.
OTHER PROFFER, UM, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A LEFT AND RIGHT TURN SEPARATE, UM, COMING OUT OF WHIPPOORWILL ROAD.
UM, CURRENTLY IT'S, UH, THIS MAY INVOLVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXPANSION OF THE TAPER, BUT ALSO RESTRIPE, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, TO HAVE THE PRO OF THE, UM, OF THE TURNS OUT OF THERE TO HELP PREVENT BACK UP, THAT KINDA IS ALSO, UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN UPGRADE TO THE TAPER ON BROAD STREET.
UH, THE LEFT COMING IN FROM BROAD STREET, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
UM, THE TOPICS INCLUDED, UH, IMPROVEMENTS ON WIPPER WILL ROAD TRAFFIC, THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC DANGER, UH, DRAINAGE SIDEWALKS, UM, IN THE AREA DISRUPTION OF UTILITIES ALONG THE ROAD THAT COMES ABOUT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, UM, AND CON CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THERE WAS BE HEAVY CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES TRAVELING DOWN WIPRO ROAD.
WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED FOUR EMAILS.
SO A LOT OF THOSE COMMENTS FROM THOSE EMAILS AND A CALL WHERE, UM, SIMILAR TO THAT, THERE WAS ALSO CONCERN FOR METERS BRANCH RESIDENTS ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF READERS BRANCH AND THE PROVISION OF A, OF ATTACHED UNITS WITHIN THEIR, UM, COMMUNITY COMMENTS.
UM, ALSO CAME, THERE WAS A LETTER RIGHT BEFORE THE JANUARY, UM, SCHEDULED MEETING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, FROM THE WHIP ROAD RESIDENTS, THEY HAD CONCERNS OF THE INCREASED TRAFFIC AND TO INCLUDE RISK OF MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS AND PEDESTRIAN INJURY.
UM, PREVIOUS CONCERNS IN THE APPLICANTS ACTION THAT ARE REFLECTED WITHIN THE PROPERS, RIGHT IMPROVEMENTS AND TURN LANE STRIPE.
AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, PROJECT DESIGNED BY ITS LAYOUT AND THE ROAD DEPTH AND INTO THERE'S ALSO TO ENCOURAGE FUTURE ACCESS VIA ROAD A FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, RATHER THAN WIPPER WHEEL ROAD.
AGAIN, NOTE THERE, WE DON'T, WE CANNOT SAY THE TIMELINE IS AND WHIP A REAL ROAD WOULD BE EXPANDED ALL THE WAY UP TO BROAD STREET.
UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, AS WE SAID, FOR WHIP OR RED PROPOSED ROAD, THE SIGN IS AT 40 FEET.
UM, THE INTENT WAS TO UPGRADE THE ROAD
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TO MAKE IT FUNCTION BETTER.UM, BUT WITHOUT, UH, SEEMINGLY IMPACT IN THE ADJACENT YARDS, UH, SITE DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC WILL GO THROUGH REDUCED BRANCH ROAD.
THAT WILL AGAIN BE FOR THE HEAVY SITE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, NOT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTORS, CAUSE IT IS A PUBLIC ROAD.
UM, SO W ONCE, ONCE CONSTRUCTED, IT WOULD BE OPEN TO ANYONE THERE'S ALSO, UM, PROFIT BUILDING ELEVATIONS THAT ARE COMPARABLE WITH EXISTING READER'S BRANCH SUBDIVISION PREVIOUSLY.
THEN THERE FIRST MADE THIS APPLICATION.
THERE WAS AN AGE RESTRICTION PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
SO RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH ALL THE LONG PROFFERS, WE PROVIDE A SUMMARY HERE, WHICH WILL ALSO BE JUST LONG ENOUGH.
THERE ARE MANY PROFFERS FOR THIS.
AGAIN, CONCEPTUAL PLAN, MAXIMUM 122 UNITS, UM, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TO BE DONE PRIOR TO THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT SET INCLUDES DEDICATION, DESIGN, AND CONSTRUCTION OF ROAD, A, UM, TWO LANES OF THAT, BUT IT WILL BE PREPARED TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE SOUTH, BUT THEY WON'T RESTRICT IT ALL THE WAY AT THAT TIME.
AND PAYMENTS TO WELFARE WERE RED, THE TURN LANE TAPERS, AND THE TURN LANES WE'VE TALKED IN STALKING LANES.
WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, TRAFFIC, NOT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC GO THROUGH, WE JUST BRANCH A CASH PROFFER OF 9,810, UM, OR UPGRADED BUFFER STANDARDS ALONG THAT ROAD A AND THE WRONG, THE WIP RULE TERMINUS BEYOND WHAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD NORMALLY ASK FOR.
UM, THEY HAVE PROVIDED ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS, UM, AND OTHERS ARE PRETTY STANDARD THAT WE LOOK FOR WITHIN RPDS TO COME ABOUT.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN A LETTER OF COMMITMENT THAT WAS SHARED TODAY AND CAME FORWARD TO APPLICANT THAT THEY'LL TALK ABOUT IN THEIR PRESENTATION.
UM, IT TALKS ABOUT ADDING, YOU KNOW, FOUR, FOUR FOOT WIDE ASPHALT TRAIL WITHIN THE EASTERN SIDE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE DITCH, REALLY THE LOT SIDE OF THE DRAINAGE DITCH FOR THAT.
UM, THIS IS A VERY CONDITIONAL TYPE OF, UM, UM, COMMITMENT.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A PROFFER, SO IT CANNOT BE CONSIDERED, UM, TONIGHT BY THE BOARD IN DECIDING THE APPLICATION, WHY WE BRINGING IT UP TO BE CLEAR.
UM, SO, UM, STAFF'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.
UH, THANK YOU, MR. CASH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM MR. CASTRO BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? CAN YOU, CAN YOU GET BACK TO THE ONE WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE STREETLIGHT BACK TO, I THINK THIS IS THE SUMMER, YOUR PROPERTY, OR, UH, YEAH.
SUMMARY PROFITS, SIDEWALKS, STREET LIGHTING.
THERE'S NO STREETLIGHTS IN REDIS BRANCH.
UM, THERE WAS, I BELIEVE IN THE RIAS BRANCH PROPER, THERE WAS ALSO THE PROVISION.
THEY COULD HAVE THEM, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER SAYING THAT IT'S NOT A MUST THAT THEY PROVIDE STREETLIGHTS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE NOW.
LIKE SOMEBODY TOOK THEM RIGHT THERE.
DO NOT BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY BRIGHT SKY COMPONENTS.
IT COULD PROBABLY CLARIFY THAT CONDITION AS TO READER'S BRANCH THE CONDITION DOESN'T MANDATE STRAIGHT LIGHTING TIME, BUT HOW'S FOR IT.
YOU MIGHT, IF YOU'RE NOT DONE YET.
COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE ROAD ROAD DIAGRAM? YES.
SO THE PROFFER IS WHAT THE PROFFER RIGHT NOW IS TO DO WHAT'S ON THE LEFT, CORRECT? THE L TWO, THE L TWO U 40.
SO THAT'S 11, 11 TO 11 FOOT LINE.
SO 22 FEET DOWN THE MIDDLE AND THEN TWO FOOT SHOULDERS ON BOTH SIDES.
SO LATER IT SAYS, THEY'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE IMPACT ON YARDS, BUT IT'S WIDEST POINTS.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE, THERE'S GOING TO BE IMPACT, RIGHT.
SO, SO NOW THIS, THIS, THIS LETTER IS NEW TO ME THAT THAT CAME IN TODAY.
UM, THEY'RE WHAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT PROFFERING, BUT THEY'RE SAYING WE, WE WOULD WE'LL WE MAY CHANGE.
WE MAY ALTER THAT OUR COMMITMENT TO LTU.
IN ADDITION TO THAT COMMITMENT TO THAT, UM, AGAIN, THAT, THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN ASSESSED BY STAFF SHOULD DO A FULL EVALUATION.
THERE IS SOME CONCERN WE MAY HAVE WITH THAT LANGUAGE, UM, IN VIETNAM, WE NEED TO BE BROUGHT INTO THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.
UM, BUT THAT IS POTENTIALLY, I THINK, IN, DURING DISCUSSIONS WITH DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, UM, COMMUNITY AND THE APPLICANT CAN TALK ABOUT WHY THEY PROFFERED, I MEAN, WHILE THEY'RE OFFERING THAT LETTER.
SO, SO I UNDERSTAND YOU SAID IF THIS LETTER THAT CAME IN TODAY, THERE BEAT OUT WOULD NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BEING THERE HAS A V DOT
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DONE, WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO, BLESSED ARE APPROVED THE LTU DASHBOARD, RIGHT? YEAH.SO PRIVATELY THAT'S COMMENTED AND POSITIVE ABOUT THIS.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A SORT OF A RETROFIT INTO AN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, SO FULLY HOW IT'S GOING TO BE EVALUATED TO, TO HOW, UM, THE EXACT ROAD ALIGNMENT AND THE LIKE IS, UM, YOU DO ALREADY HAVE EXISTING DITCH OUT THERE.
A LOT OF THAT AREA IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER GRASS SHOULDER THAN WOULD BE TYPICAL FOR A MODERN DESIGN.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR THIS CASH STRAIGHT UP TO THE HERE? SO WHICH ONE ARE THESE? ARE WE CONSIDERED? SO THE ONE THAT'S ON THE LEFT, THE LOCAL LTU 40.
THAT IS THE ONE, BUT DON'T WANT TO REALLY A GENERAL COMPARISON BETWEEN WHAT THERE IS, BUT THE 50 FOOT VERSUS THE 40 FOOT, UM, RIGHT AWAY.
AND IT'S REALLY MORE OF EXTENDED SHOULDER BETWEEN THE TWO YOU END UP WITH THE, THE SAME, UH, TRINITY, YOU KNOW, STANDARD ROAD, LANE WIDTH, UM, WHICH YOU HAVE MORE PAVED SHOULDER THAT COMES ABOUT.
SO THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE CONTEMPLATED.
THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS INFORMATION ONLY.
AND I THINK MR. PETERSON, I THINK IT'S, YOU WOULDN'T PUT IT THERE EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THERE'S A 50 FOOT RIGHT.
I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE AN OPTION.
SO I THINK THEY'RE JUST PART OF THE REASON IT'S THERE IS TO NOTE THAT THERE IS CURRENTLY A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, BUT THEIR PROFIT CONTAINS THE ONE ON THE LEFT TO TAKE UP 40 FEET OF THAT RIGHT AWAY.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE 53RD RIGHT AWAY BEAT, I COULD COME IN TOMORROW AND UPGRADE IT TO THE STANDARD, UH, 50 FEET OR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING IS TO TRY TO DO LESS, UM, FOR THE INTENTION OF, OF COURSE THEY MAY BE GREATER IMPACT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN IMPACT, OF COURSE, THAT COMES ABOUT THROUGH POWER POLES OR OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY ALONG THAT, UM, EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, AND I KNOW IT'S STILL EARLY IN THE STAGE OF THIS, BUT HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AND SEE WHERE THE CENTER LINE IS? I UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, THE ROAD, THE CENTER OF THE CENTER OF THE 50 FOOT EASEMENT OFTEN DOESN'T FOLLOW THE CENTER OF THE EXISTING ROAD.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY INDICATION OF HOW THAT DEVIATES EXTENT OF DEVIATION DOWN, DOWN ALL OF WAY? UM, RIGHT.
STAFF HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN A, UM, ANY FULL DOCUMENTATION THAT, THAT SHOWS YOU THAT IN RELATION TO THAT, UM, YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT.
I KNOW UNDER THERE THEY HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN EVALUATION OF THAT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT IMPROVEMENTS THEY WILL NEED TO DO ULTIMATELY FOR THAT.
MS. LAST WEEK, DID YOU EVER, Y I THINK MR. LUMPKINS KIND OF STARTED THE CONVERSATION.
I WAS TRYING TO DETERMINE REALLY WHERE THE 50 FOOT IS.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT AT THIS POINT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AERIALS FOR THE AREA AND YOU LOOK AT THE MAPPING AND STUFF, THERE'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT OFF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RECORD THERE IS RECORDED PLAT THAT SHOWS THAT, UM, I PERSONALLY, WE HAVEN'T GOT OUT THERE AND FIELD LOCATED THE EXACT, UM, STOP AND START OF, OF THAT.
UM, BUT I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT OF COURSE, HAS BEEN DOING SOME ASSESSMENT OF THAT.
AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, MS. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON MR. PETERSON'S COMMENTS.
SO, UH, THE DEPICTION ON THE RIGHT IS JUST FOR ILLUSTRATED PREMISE GOT PATIENT.
UM, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT, UH, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF IT WAS THE 15TH? SO I'VE ADDED THAT IN THERE JUST TO SH TO DEMONSTRATE THE DIFFERENCES.
UM, COULD YOU PUT UP THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE, THE MAT FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT SHOULD DO.
UM, I NOTICED WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF CUL-DE-SACS HERE.
HAS THIS BEEN RUN PAST THE FIRE RESCUE FOLKS TO MAKE SURE THEIR EQUIPMENT CAN GET IN AND OUT AND TURN AROUND IN THESE CUL-DE-SACS? WELL, I WILL SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT THE ONE THAT WE'VE REFERENCED AND HAD A CONVERSATION IS THAT UNUSUAL.
UM, ONE ON THAT LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL THAT WILL BE EVALUATED AT THE TIME OF, OF PLAN REVIEW.
AND THAT'S BEEN SHARED WITH THE APPLICANT THAT WE HAVE CONCERN THAT THEY MEET THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT IS A DEFINITELY UNUSUAL DESIGN THERE.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT CAN'T FIND A WAY TO MEET OUR STANDARDS.
AND THERE'S TWO OTHER, CUL-DE-SACS HERE AS WELL.
UM, THOSE ROAD WITS DON'T REPRESENT AN ISSUE
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OR A PROBLEM FROM PUBLIC SAFETY IN TERMS OF, IF THERE'S A CAR PARKED ON THE STREET, THEY CAN STILL GET BY AND DO THEIR WELL.UM, AT THIS POINT WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED, WE HAVEN'T BEEN PROVIDED WITH ANY OF THE ROAD WETS OR THE LIGHT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
UM, THAT IS A CONCERN THAT THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF AND THAT WE WOULD EVALUATE IT PLANTED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT TO OFFER TO SAY YES, I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE, AS THEY'RE DEPICTED HERE, IT MEETS THE ROAD STANDARD WITH, UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE'D BE CONCERNED WITH.
AND THAT WOULD BE EVALUATED THEN.
I MEAN, SO WE'RE I MEAN, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER THIS WITHOUT KNOWING WHETHER IT COMPLIES WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY REQUIREMENTS, OR YOU'RE SAYING AT THE END OF THE DAY, BEFORE THEY GET APPROVAL AND A DEVELOPMENT IT'S GOING TO NEED TO MEET PUBLIC SAFETY REQUIRES.
AND SO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS WHEN WE GET THE EXACT DIMENSIONS OF THE POSE RIGHT AWAY, THAT MAY IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT.
SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT'S YIELD OF LOTS, UM, MAY AFFECT HIS DESIGN.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL, AND SO TYPICALLY WE DON'T GET THAT FULL ENGINEERED DETAIL AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET THEIR STANDARDS.
AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO COMPROMISE PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE INTEREST OF GETTING ONE EXTRA LINE IN THERE.
SO MAKE SURE I KNOW THE CHIEF'S PROBABLY HERE, WE'LL GET YOU INVOLVED AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED TO PROVIDE.
GOOD PUBLIC SAFETY TO THESE FOLKS.
ARE WE READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? ONE MORE QUESTION.
I THINK I'M READING, I'M READING PROPER, UH, UH, LET'S SEE.
IT'S TWO C TWO IS TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS TO SEE.
UM, AND YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR A FINE, YOU WERE FINE WHERE YOU WERE ON THAT NOW ON THAT, SORRY.
SO RANAE, I CAN SEE ROAD A AND THEN TALK ABOUT SOME ON THE EASTERN MOST.
AND SO ALL THAT GRASS TO THE, TO THE WEST SIDE OF ROAD A IS DEDICATED FOR FUTURE.
SO THAT, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY PLAN.
CAUSE WE GO ONE SLIDE EARLIER, UH, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE YOU HAD THE COMP PLAN WHERE YOU HAD TO ROTATE THE DIAGRAM ONE LATER, LATER.
SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH THE DIRECTOR.
SO THAT'S A ROW YOU POINTED TO IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT'S ROAD A THAT THE BLUE DOES ARE, THIS IS FROM OUR RTO OR AMPR ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN.
DOES THIS DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME? THE BLUE LINE, DOES IT MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOUR LANES? IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S ULTIMATELY, IT'S A HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT AWAY, WHICH PROVIDE FOR FOUR LANES.
UM, AGAIN, WHAT TYPICALLY WOULD HAPPEN DURING THE DEVELOPMENT TIME? UM, TWO LANES OF THAT WOULD BE BUILT FULL RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY NEED FOUR LANES RIGHT AWAY, ET CETERA.
SO THE IDEA THERE IS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE CONSTRUCTION, ALL THAT IS TO JUST TO ALERT PEOPLE.
I THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT NET PROFFER, FUTURE ROADWAY, CONNECTION SIGN SHALL BE INSTALLED ON THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN TERMINUS OF ROAD A AGAIN TO ALERT PEOPLE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BECOME A BUSIER ROAD SOMETIMES.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE WERE, ESPECIALLY THAT TYPICALLY WITH ANY TYPE OF STUB ROAD, SO PEOPLE KNOW THE EXTENSION, THIS WOULD BE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE A MAJOR COLLECTOR ROAD THAT, THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
ARE WE READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FOUR PLEASE SAID THE APPLICANT CITY.
I THOUGHT YOU COULD JUST ACT IT OUT, BRO.
WE ALSO BUY IT ON A THUMB DRIVE.
THERE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M NATALIE CROFT WITH EAGLE CONSTRUCTION.
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OH, OKAY.UH, THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS THERESA AND A 72 ACRE PARCEL OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON WHIPPOORWILL ROAD.
AS AT, AT SOUTHERN TERMINUS, ALONG WITH LITTLE BITS FROM READERS BRANCH, SECTION FIVE, AS DESCRIBED BY STAFF NEXT, THE PROPERTY IS RECOMMENDED FOR SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT AND IS ALSO WITHIN THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE NOTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A MAJOR VILLAGE AND A DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA, A PROPOSED NORTH SOUTH ROADWAY WHERE THE 100 FOOT ULTIMATE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH BISECTS THE SITE APPROXIMATELY 49 ACRES SHADED IN YELLOW ARE PROPOSED FOR RPU D ZONING.
WHILE THE REMAINING 24 ACRES OF FLOODPLAIN WOULD REMAIN A TWO WITH ADDITIONAL PROFIT CONDITIONS.
THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE DEVELOPED PROPERTY IS PROPOSED FOR ALL DETACHED HOMES, WITH 17 HOMES ON A SHORT EXTENSION OF WEBER WHEEL ROAD AND 34 HOMES CONNECTING TO THE READER'S BRANCH NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EASTERN SIDE, 67 HOMES ARE SHOWN AS A MIX OF BOTH ATTACHED AND DETACHED DWELLINGS, PROVIDING A VARIETY OF HOUSING STOCK AS RECOMMENDED IN THE COMP PLAN ACTIVE AND PASSIVE AMENITIES ARE ALSO BOTH PROPOSED PICKLEBALL COURTS, A LARGE PATIO AND A MAIL HOUSE WITH A PARKING AREA AND LANDSCAPING ARE LOCATED ON THE WESTERN SIDE.
THE EASTERN SIDE HAS BEEN DESIGNED WITH A LANDSCAPED AND TERRORIST FORMAL PARK IN THE HEART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AN ASPHALT TRAIL RUNNING ALONG THE TUCKAHOE CREEK AND READERS BRANCH WATERWAYS.
THIS TRAIL WOULD CONNECT TO THE COUNTY'S WEST CREEK TRAIL SYSTEM AT THE PROPOSED LEG FIVE TRAILHEAD, THE COMP PLAN.
IT ALSO NOTES THAT THE VILLAGES SHOULD PROMOTE A VARIETY OF HIGH QUALITY HOUSING STOCK COMPATIBLE WITH TRADITIONAL VILLAGE DESIGNS.
OUR PROFIT ELEVATIONS INCLUDE HOMES THAT ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE AND CHARACTER TO THOSE IN THE READER'S BRANCH NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD INCLUDE HIGH QUALITY EXTERIOR MATERIALS OF BRICK STONE OR FIBER CEMENT BOARD SIDING TOWNHOMES WOULD PROVIDE A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS AND THE ALLEY LOADED TOWNHOMES SPECIFICALLY ALIGNED WITH TRADITIONAL VILLAGE DESIGNS.
A COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD IN SEPTEMBER WHERE DISCUSSION CENTERED ON THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO WHIPPOORWILL ROAD AS WELL.
THE DESIRE TO KEEP THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE ROADWAY V DOT SECONDARY STREET ACCEPTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
YOU MAY KNOW IT AS THEIR SSAR MANDATE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENTS PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN ADJACENT EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND UNDEVELOPED PARCELS.
THEY KNOW THAT THESE ADDITIONAL ROUTES NOT ONLY PROVIDE MORE DIRECT COURSES FOR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS, BUT ALSO OFFER MULTIPLE APPROACH POINTS FOR RESIDENTS IN THE EVENT OF A ROAD CLOSURE, THE SSIR FURTHER STATES, IF A NEW DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT, WHICH ABUTS, AVITA AND MAINTAINED STUB THE STREET NETWORK OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT MUST CONNECT TO THIS STUB FOR ITS STREETS TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR ACCEPTANCE INTO THE SECONDARY SYSTEM.
THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS THAT IF THERE ARE PUBLIC ROADS ADJACENT TO YOUR PARCEL, YOU HAVE TO CONNECT TO THEM.
IF YOU WANT YOUR ROADS TO BE PUBLIC AS WELL, UNDERSTANDING THEN THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL, REGARDLESS OF APPLICANT, BUILDER, OWNER DEVELOPER, ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL IS REQUIRED TO UTILIZE AND CONNECT TO WEAVERVILLE ROAD.
AND THE STUMP TO THE WEST IN READER'S BRANCH, WE HELD MEETINGS WITH BOTH COUNTY STAFF AND V.TO CLARIFY AND SPECIFY NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS TO WEBER WHEEL ROAD, KEEPING IN MIND THE RESIDENTS' DESIRE TO RETAIN THE ROADWAYS, CURRENT CHARACTER, OUR PROFFER, UM, REFLECTS WHAT WAS AGREED UPON BY BOTH VEDA AND COUNTY STAFF, BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THE LEAST IMPACT WITHIN THE EXISTING 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, WHILE STILL ACHIEVING THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROAD.
CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE PLEASE? THANK YOU.
WE'RE BEWILDERED ROAD WILL BE RECONSTRUCTED TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY'S CURRENT LOCAL ROAD STANDARDS.
THIS ENTAILS RECONSTRUCTING THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE ROAD TO A SLIGHTLY WIDER ROADWAY SECTION WITH AN IMPROVED ASPHALT THICKNESS AS WELL, REDEFINING THE EXISTING ROAD SIDE DITCHES TO IMPROVE DRAINAGE ALONG THE STREET.
UM, I REACHED BACK OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO REQUEST ANOTHER MEETING IN EARLY JANUARY AND BASED ON THEIR RECENT FEEDBACK, WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED A LETTER OF COMMITMENT THAT MR. CASH DESCRIBED TO CONSTRUCT A FOREFOOT ASPHALT WALKING PATH ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF LIBERAL RAILROAD, SEPARATED FROM THEM ROADWAY BY THE GRASS DRAIN DRAINAGE DITCH.
A SKETCH OF THE IMPROVED ROADWAY IS SEEN HERE.
WE'RE ALSO PROFFERING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BROAD STREET WHIPPOORWILL ROAD INTERSECTION WITH A RIGHT TURN LANE FROM WEBER WHEEL ONTO BROAD AND THE RIGHT TURN TAPER FROM BROAD ONTO WHIPPOORWILL.
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AGAIN, AS MR. CASH NOTED IN ORDER TO FURTHER LESSEN ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON WHIPPOORWILL ROAD.WE'VE ALSO PROFFERED THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC RELATED TO SITE DEVELOPMENT WILL ACCESS THE SITE PRIMARILY THROUGH THE READER'S BRANCH NEIGHBORHOOD VIA HOCKET ROAD.
OTHER PROFFERS ARE RELATED TO HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURE AND EXTERIOR MATERIALS, LANDSCAPED BUFFERS, AND THE INTERCONNECTED TRAIL SYSTEM.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THE STREET LIGHTING A PROFFER THAT WAS A CARRY OVER FROM READERS BRANCH PROFFERS.
IT ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO STREETLIGHTS, THEY HAVE TO BE AT A PEDESTRIAN SCALE.
IT LIMITED THE HEIGHT OF A STREETLIGHT.
WE DID NOT PUT STREET LIGHTS IN READER'S BRANCH.
UM, THE DARK SKY ORDINANCE, WE REALLY WANTED TO, TO MINIMIZE ANY EXCESSIVE LIGHT THERE.
SO THEY ARE NOT CONSTRUCTED IN READER'S BRANCH.
AND WE DO NOT INTEND TO CONSTRUCT THEM IN THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT EITHER.
SO WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS PROJECT AROUND TWO YEARS AGO WITH SOME VERY ROUGH IDEAS AND EVEN ROUGHER SKETCHES.
WE MET WITH STAFF VERY EARLY ON KNOWING THE CONCERNS REGARDING WHIPPOORWILL ROAD AND HAVE MADE MANY ADJUSTMENTS, SOME SMALL, SOME NOT SO SMALL TO ENSURE THE RIGHT PLAN IS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD.
THIS EVENING, WE MADE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN, WHICH LIMIT THE CONNECTIVITY AND EXTENSION OF WHIPPOORWILL ROAD.
OUR PLAN CREATES A HIGH QUALITY, HIGHLY AMENITIZED NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE PROVIDING SPECIFICS ABOUT PROPOSED ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AND ADDRESSING THE ADJOINING RESIDENTS DESIRE TO RETAIN THE CURRENT CHARACTER OF REBEL ROAD.
THE APPLICATION ALIGNS WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, NOT JUST IN LAND USE, BUT ALSO IN TRANSPORTATION, NATURAL RESOURCES AND PUBLIC FACILITIES.
IT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THE COUNTY'S PARKS, RECREATION AND FACILITIES MASTER PLAN.
WE APPRECIATE ALL OF STAFF'S GUIDANCE AND TIME ON THIS CASE AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL THIS EVENING AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
OUR ENGINEER'S HERE, TRAFFIC ENGINEER'S HERE.
SO I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU, MS. COLLINS, THAT I APPRECIATE YOU.
YOU'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS AND REACHING OUT.
SO, UM, WHEN MR CASPO CAME, HE TALKED ABOUT TRAILS, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT WITHIN, WITHIN THE AREA, NOT IN THE AWAN AREA, YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
IT SAYS AN ASPHALT TRAIL WITH A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET, A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET IN WIDTH SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED THROUGH THE PROPERTY AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THE TRAIL SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE 50TH SU SCIO PERTAINING NEW STRUCTURE LOCATED EAST OF ROAD.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF TWO PROFFERS THAT SAID THAT'S IN THE PROPER PROPORTION ZONE.
A TWO, IT SAYS IS CONSTRUCTED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
WHERE IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT SHOWS WHERE THOSE TRAILS ARE? SO THE TRAIL IS THAT YELLOW GOLDISH LINE THAT I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T SEE IT ON MY COPY EITHER.
SO IT DOESN'T, IT'S JUST A LITTLE YEP.
AND THAT IS A CONCEPTUAL, UM, ALIGNMENT.
IT WILL BE FIELD LOCATED AS WE GET INTO THE SITE.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TYING INTO OUR PARKS PLAN, ISA, MAYBE THIS HAS BEEN A STAFF QUESTION, IS THAT GOING TO TIE INTO WHERE WE HAVE A, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT, UM, I HAVE A SLIDE AT THE END THAT SHOWS A SCREENSHOT OF THE PARKS FACILITIES MASTER PLAN THAT SHOWS A, A LEG FIVE TRAILHEAD REALLY PROPOSED AT THE CORNER, UM, AROUND, AROUND THAT CURVE THERE.
SO HONESTLY TO ME, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING PARTS OF THIS PROPOSAL IS THAT WE WOULD BE CONNECTING AND ENABLING THE CREATION, THE EXTENSION OF THAT COUNTY-WIDE TRAIL SYSTEM.
SO WEBER WILL HAS BEEN MY CONCERN.
YOU PROBABLY TELL BY MY QUESTIONS.
UM, SO THIS LETTER THAT WE HEAR ABOUT IT HAS SOME CAVEATS AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE EARLY IN THE PROCESS, BUT WOULD YOU ALL CONSIDER, AND I DON'T KNOW, W WHEN I WAS OUT THERE LOOKING AT THE DITCHES ARE KIND OF TAKE UP SPACE ON BOTH SIDES, RIGHT.
I MEAN, YOU COULD PUT A BIKE, A BIKE LANE ON A SHOULDER I'M LOOKING AT WHEN YOU WERE AT 11, 11, AND THEN TWO, BUT THEN IF YOU GO TO THE 50, YOU HAVE SHOULDERS ON BOTH SIDES.
I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED WALKING WAYS ON BOTH SIDES AND WHEN, AND WHAT YOU PROPOSE, WHICH I NOW SEE IS YOU'RE JUST GOING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DITCH.
IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO FIRM UP YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT GIVE YOURSELF FLEXIBILITY
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TO SAY, WE'LL GO ON ONE SIDE OF THE DITCH OR ON THE OTHER, BUT GIVE PEOPLE ROOM FOR BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.AND WHEN I'M OUT THERE, IF YOU HAVE THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE, THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC ON WHIPPOORWILL SIGNIFICANTLY FROM WHAT IT IS, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE IT'S A DAM RIGHT NOW, BUT THE RESIDENTS THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO WALK OUT HERE AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND SO I'M A LITTLE LEERY OF, OF, UH, A LETTER THAT HAS A LOT OF EXTRA STEPS FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, CAN WE GET CLOSER TO GIVING YOU SOCK OUT SOME FLEXIBILITY, BUT REALLY COMMITTING TO ADDRESS THE NEED TO HAVE A SAFE PLACE FOR THESE FOLKS TO WALK AND RIDE BIKES? I MEAN, WHEN THAT, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE'LL THINK ABOUT THIS IN THE FUTURE IS BIKING, YOU KNOW, TIE THAT INTO THE WHOLE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE, THE BIKE PIECE, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL BE QUIET.
UM, SO I HEAR THAT, I HEAR THAT, UM, WE MET WITH THE RESIDENTS OF SEVERAL OF THEM, MAYBE 10, 10 RESIDENTS, A COUPLE THURSDAY MORNINGS AGO OUT ON LIBERAL ROAD.
AND WHAT WE'D HEARD FROM THEM WAS THAT HAVING THE WALKING OR BIKE LANE DIRECTLY ON THE SIDE OF THE PAVEMENT, DOESN'T GIVE THEM MUCH PEACE OR SECURITY AS TO SAFETY.
UM, SAFETY AND MODERNIZATION WERE THE TWO BIG WORDS THAT I HEARD THAT THURSDAY MORNING WITH THE RESIDENTS.
AND, UM, IN SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATIONS, DETACHING THAT ASPHALT PATH FROM THE ROADWAY WAS PREFERRED FROM THOSE RESIDENTS THAT WE HEARD FROM, UM, THE LETTER OF COMMITMENT IS NEVER AN IDEAL SOLUTION.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME PROFFER IN WRITING TO YOU TONIGHT, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
UM, THERE WAS A RECENT, VERY RECENT DEATH IN THE FAMILY OF THE APP OF THE OWNER AND OUT OF RESPECT FOR THEM, I'M NOT GOING TO ASK THEM TO SIGN ANY REVISED PROFFERS THE VERY NEXT DAY.
SO, UM, THIS LETTER OF COMMITMENT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A COMPANY, ONE OF OUR CORE VALUES IS COMMITMENT.
WE DO WHAT WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO.
UM, I WANT IT TO HAVE IT IN WRITING AT LEAST HAVE IT IN WRITING.
AND THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE SAY, WHAT I STAND UP HERE AND SAY IN FRONT OF EVERYONE, SO THAT WE ARE HELD TO IT.
UM, A COUPLE OF THE CAVEATS OF THE LETTER ARE THAT ONE IS APPROVED BY VEDA.
IT WILL BE IN THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.
THEY WILL HAVE TO AGREE TO MAINTAIN IT.
THE SECOND CAVEAT IS THAT IT CAN BE FULLY ENCAPSULATED WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, IS THE CENTER LINE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD.
UH, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GET FURTHER IN THERE IN THE WEEDS.
UM, WE DID NOT WANT TO, UM, HAVE TO GET EASEMENTS FROM ANYONE TO PUT IN A NON ASPHALT TRAIL.
AND THEN THE THIRD CAVEAT IS THAT THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ABUT THAT TRAIL ON THAT SIDE OF RIVERDALE ROAD WOULD ALL HAVE TO AGREE TO IT.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS PIT NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR CREATE A DIVISIVE, UH, TOPIC IN THE COMMUNITY.
BUT WE DO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT BUY-IN FROM THOSE FOLKS.
CONSENSUS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS STILL WORKING TO BE ACHIEVED.
AND WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO GO, UM, RUSHING INTO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT REALLY BE WANTED BY THE COLLECTIVE MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY JUST ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY, WOW, WE APPRECIATE YOUR STANDING.
AND ON THE RECORD MAKING A COMMITMENT, I DO NEED TO CLARIFY FOR THE BOARD AND THE FOLKS PRESENT THAT THE LETTER IS NOT A LEGAL COMMITMENT IN THIS ZONING CASE.
SO FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WILL, WE WILL CONSIDER THIS WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF THIS LETTER BEING FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S, WHAT'S LEGALLY BEFORE YOU, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT TO THE FOLKS LISTENING.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT UNDERSTOOD, THANK YOU.
THAT THAT CAN BE A PROFFER SUBSEQUENT.
THEY CAN AMEND THEIR PROFFERS SUBSEQUENT NIGHT, UM, FUTURE APPLICATION, AN APPLICANT CAN SEEK TO AMEND THEIR PROFFERS IN A, IN A NEW APPLICATION FILED IN THE FUTURE.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO AN AMENDMENT AND PAY A FEE AND GO THROUGH ALL THAT TO, TO ADD IT LATER.
SO, SO IN YOUR SCENARIO, WHAT IF ONE PERSON THAT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK SAYS NO WAY IN THAT SCENARIO, THEN THE CONSENSUS DOES NOT EXIST AND THE ASPHALT TRAIL WOULD NOT BE PLACED ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROADWAY,
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THE WHOLE LENGTH OF IT.YOU'RE NOT GOING TO JOG ACROSS GARDENDALE.
I DON'T THINK PUT A COUPLE OF BLOCKS.
I WORRIED THAT WE'D HAVE 18 JOGS, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, WE HAVE CONTEMPLATED.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE COURTHOUSE WITH THE SIDEWALK, CRASHING THE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE OPEN OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY SPIDEY SENSE TELLS ME THERE'LL BE MORE INTERESTED IN THIS CASE TO ME THAN THE FIRST TWO.
SO I'D ALSO WANT TO REMIND FOLKS IF YOU WANTED TO SHARE TIME, YOU CAN GIVE UP TWO MINUTES OF YOUR TIME TO SPEAKER UP TO 10 MINUTES.
SO AT THAT, UM, AGAIN, PLEASE COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND, UM, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND WE'RE HEARING FROM YOU HEARING IT SPOKEN.
SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK WITH.
I JUST CAN'T SEE BEHIND THEIR SEATS.
THAT WAY SHE CAN USE THE POINTER.
LESLIE WELCH AND I LIVE AT 1586 WHIPPOORWILL.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD OFTEN COMING FROM FOLKS IS THAT YOU WERE NOT ORGANIZED AND DID NOT ADDRESS US AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS.
MOST OF US DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS HAPPENING UNTIL MUCH LATER IN THE PROCESS WHEN VOTING HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.
SO I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT RESIDENTS WHIPPOORWILL HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY COMMUNICATING, AND WE HAVE GATHERED SOME SIGNATURES FOR FOLKS WHO COULD NOT COME TONIGHT.
AND THEN FOLKS WHO ARE TRYING TO JOIN REMOTELY, AND THOSE WHO SPEAK TONIGHT, WE ARE COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER SHARING A MESSAGE.
WE ALL DON'T HAVE MORE THAN THREE MINUTES.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HIT DIFFERENT POINTS.
SO I'VE BEEN ASKED TO SPEAK TO THE SAFETY CONCERNS IN REALITY, NOBODY CAN EVEN PREDICT HOW MUCH TRAFFIC'S GOING TO BE ON WIPPA.
WELL, ANYBODY WITH A GPS COMPONENT TO THAT STREET FOLKS ARE GOING TO CUT THROUGH HOCKET, CUT FROM HOCKET, THROUGH READERS, BRANCH, AND USE THE RIVER WELL CONSTRUCTION WORKERS AND, UM, BIG, BIG MACHINERY.
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF ACTIVITY TODAY ON JUST BIG MACHINERY.
SO OUR SAFETY CONCERNS ARE, YES, IT'S GOING TO BE ABSOLUTELY A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN OUR TRAFFIC.
SO THAT TRAFFIC INCREASES THE RISK OF INJURY AND POTENTIAL DEATH TO MOTORIST BICYCLIST, PDM, PEDESTRIANS, AND PETS.
THAT'S GOING TO ELEVATE OUR DAILY STRESS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, IT INCREASES THE RISK FOR CRIME.
STATISTICALLY THAI CRIME IS LESS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOES NOT HAVE A DRIVE, A THREE-WAY ROAD, OUR SOLUTIONS.
AND OUR ASK IS THAT YOU DELAY PLANS AT THIS TIME THAT YOU ASSESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE SIDEWALKS, THE STREET LIGHTS, THE SPEED BUMPS THAT WE WERE ONCE TOLD WOULD BE POSSIBLE AND CERT A 25 MILES PER HOUR SIGN IN ON THAT ROAD.
AND IMPORTANTLY, PLACE A TRAFFIC BARRIER AT THE END OF WHIPPOORWILL ROAD UNTIL THE READER'S BRANCH CONSTRUCTION IS DONE.
THIS WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC STOPS.
MY FORMAL EDUCATION IS NOT IN ENGINEERING, BUT DEVELOPING A SMALL ACCESS ROAD THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT PURE.
IT APPEARS TO BE POOR IS PLANNING TO ME A BAND-AID AND NOT A SOLUTION PROBLEMS FOR WIPPA WILL.
AND READER'S BRANCH WILL FOLLOW.
UM, PERSONALLY, I NEVER RECEIVED ANY COMMUNICATION ABOUT MEETINGS.
THE ONE IN SEPTEMBER, UM, THE TIME MONEY I'VE INVESTED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY LITTLE COMPARED TO MY NEIGHBORS.
I'VE SEEN ANXIETY, I'VE SEEN ANGER, I'VE SEEN SADNESS AND I'VE SEEN TEARS COME FROM MY NEIGHBORS.
MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN THERE 3, 4, 5 DECADES.
THEY'VE INVESTED A LOT MORE TIME AND MONEY THAN I HAVE.
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FOLKS, AGAIN, WE'RE PLANNING FOR THEIR RETIREMENT.THEY HAD A LITTLE PIECE OF HAVEN FOR THEIR GOLDEN YEARS AND IT'S BEING UPSET.
AND I ASKED THAT YOU PLEASE RECONSIDER ALL THESE THINGS.
HI, MY NAME KELLY PROPHET, AND I'M AT A 1 5 6 5 WHERE PAROLE ROAD.
UM, AND WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS, UM, I THINK TRANSPARENCY, UM, WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS PROPOSED, MY HUSBAND AND I RECEIVED A LETTER, IT WAS I BELIEVE, A WEEK OR SO BEFORE A COMMUNITY MEETING WOULD BE HELD IN, UM, THE FIREHOUSE ON BROAD STREET BY US.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAD PLANS TO GO ON VACATION WITH COVID, WHO'S BEEN ON VACATION, BUT MAYBE A FEW DAYS.
SO WE FINALLY GOT, UH, TO GO AWAY.
UM, AND I CALLED AND I SPOKE TO SOMEONE AT EAGLE AND, UM, THEY SAID, NO PROBLEM.
UM, SO I ALSO CALLED THE COUNTY TO SEE IF I COULD, YOU KNOW, LISTEN TO THE MEETING OR, YOU KNOW, CALL IN OR SOMETHING.
THEY SAID THERE WAS NO ZOOM OPTION, WHICH DURING COVID PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
AND I THINK ANY ZOOM OPTION, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE OLDER RESIDENTS ON OUR ROAD WHO PROBABLY WOULD HAVE CALLED IN AND, UM, MAYBE EVEN PARTICIPATED.
UM, SO, UM, GOING BACK TO THE READERS BRANCH.
SO NEEDLESS TO SAY, WHEN I CALLED THE COUNTY, LET ME GO BACK.
WHEN I CALLED THE COUNTY AND I TALKED TO SOMEONE, THEY SAID, UM, DON'T WORRY, THERE'LL BE A FUTURE MEETINGS THAT YOU CAN VOICE YOUR OPINION OR, YOU KNOW, SHARE YOUR COMMENTS.
SO, UM, WE KIND OF LEFT IT AT THAT.
UM, WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS A ZONING PLANNING MEETING THAT WE DID ATTEND.
UM, BUT THEN GOING BACK TO READER'S BRANCH, WHEN THEY PROPOSED THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAD, UH, THREE, I BELIEVE, THREE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
THE THIRD ONE WAS ON IN SEPTEMBER, I THINK, OF 2017.
UM, THE FIRST COUPLE OF MEETINGS DID INCLUDE USING WHIPPOORWILL ROAD AS AN ACCESS POINT FOR READERS BRANCH, BUT ALL OF THE RESIDENTS AT THAT TIME, VOICE THEIR OPINION AND SAID, NO, THAT'S, IT'S GONNA, WHAT WE'RE SAYING NOW, I GUESS, IS TO SUMMARIZE.
AND, UM, AT THAT POINT, DURING THE THIRD MEETING, WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT A READER'S BRANCH HAD DECIDED TO USE A DIFFERENT OUTLET FOR A DIFFERENT SECOND OUTLET INSTEAD OF WHAT BURWELL ROAD, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD PURCHASED A PARCEL TO PUT A ROAD IN, THEY RELENTED AND MOVED THEIR, UM, THEIR SECOND OUTLET TO, UM, I THINK HOCKET.
SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE, UM, IT'S WELL KNOWN HOW THE RESIDENTS WOULD ROLL ROAD, FEEL ABOUT THAT INCREASED TRAFFIC AND, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION AND 122 HOMES THAT CONNECT TO ANOTHER 400 IS THAT'S A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE COMING DOWN HERE ROAD THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST NOT USED TO HAVING SO THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS BRUCE PROFIT AND I LIVE AT 1565 WHERE PER WIL ROAD.
UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BRING BECAUSE OUR ROAD NORMALLY GETS 12 TO 20 CARS.
I GO TO THE ANTIDOTE OF THE ROAD EVERY DAY.
AND WHEN YOU START CONNECTING READERS, BRANCH AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT COULD POSSIBLE POSSIBLY BE UP TO 400 CARS A DAY COULD GO THROUGH THERE.
SO WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT KEEPING THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ROAD, YOU DON'T DO THAT WITH 400 EXTRA CARS.
UM, AND WITH THE TRANSPARENCY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE COME OUT THERE AND EXPLAIN TO ME IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN, OR WHY IN THE ROAD, WHERE EXACTLY IS THAT ON MY PROPERTY? HOW IS IT AFFECTING ME? IS IT MORE OFF MY SIDE THAN THE OTHER SIDE? IS IT EQUAL? UM, AND MOVING FORWARD, WE WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD PUT A BARRIER AT THE END OF THE ROAD, STOPPED CONSTRUCTION FROM COMING THROUGH, UM, ALREADY THERE'S TRUCKS.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S THEM OR WITH THE SEWAGE LINE THAT'S COMING THROUGH, BUT DUMP TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT ARE COMING THROUGH.
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UH, YEAH, AND THERE'S ALSO TREES AND STUFF HAVE BEEN MARKED.AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TREES THAT ARE COMING DOWN.
DID THEY USE THE TREE JUST TO HOLD THE MARKER, BUT SOME ARE DIFFERENT COLORS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SOME WHAT I WOULD SAY BIG TROUBLE-FREE BUSHES THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
SO I ASSUME THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN DOWN OR REMOVED.
SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE TRANSPARENCY, TRANSPARENCY, OR SOMEONE TO COME OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY EXPLAIN TO US WHAT'S HAPPENING OR WHAT PART OF OUR PROPERTY WE'RE LOSING, LIKE YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME TO SOMEONE ELSE.
THANK YOU, MR. GOOD EVENING, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE PROCESS OF NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT.
YOU GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
SAM BLACK 1 5, 6, 0 WHIPPOORWILL ROAD.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH A PROCESS AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT SINCE THE FIRST MEETING AT THE GOOCHLAND VOLUNTEER FIREHOUSE IN 2017, WHILE MANY TOPICS WERE PRESENTED BY EAGLE AT THAT FIRST MEETING ABOUT HOW GOOCHLAND WAS GOING TO DEVELOP OR BENEFIT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF READER'S BRANCH.
IT BECAME CLEAR SOMETHING WAS A MISS WHEN A COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE MS. JOANNE HUNTER CALLED OUT EAGLE FOR SOME MISINFORMATION WHILE I DON'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS.
IF A COUNTY REP IS ADDRESSING MISINFORMATION AT THE FIRST MEETING, IT TELLS ME WE ARE NOT GETTING THE WHOLE STORY OF HOW THIS WILL AFFECT OUR QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE FUTURE.
NOTICE MY OBSERVATIONS OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS HAVE BEEN VALIDATED.
WE HAVE ASKED OTHER QUESTIONS OF COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES BASED ON EAGLE'S INPUT AND TOO MANY TIMES LATELY.
THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THERE IN THE PROCESS YET.
AFTER FIVE YEARS, I WOULD HOPE A PLAN WOULD BE IN PLACE CONSIDERING WE'VE BEEN SAYING NO TO REARRANGING WHIPPOORWILL ROAD AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE THE BEGINNING.
AND NOW IT'S BEGINNING TO FEEL AS IF WE'RE HAVING IT RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS.
IN 2017, IT WAS A STATEMENT, NOT AN INVITATION FOR DEBATE CHANGES EXPECTED.
IN THIS CASE, THOUGH, IT USUALLY COMES AS A SURPRISE.
IT WAS AT THE DECEMBER 4TH MEETING AT THE CHURCH.
WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONTINUATION OF THE 25 MILE, AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT IF NECESSARY, WE COULD HAVE SPEED BUMPS.
AND NOW WE FIND OUT THAT ANSWER IS NO, THE NEIGHBORHOOD GETS NOTHING IN REGARDS TO THE SAFETY IT HAS HAD FOR DECADES.
STOP DISGUISING SMOKE WITH PARTLY CLOUDY, SUNSHINE AND TRUTHFULLY ANSWER OUR CONCERNS IN THE FUTURE.
AND AS WE VOICE THEM, PLEASE STOP IGNORING COLLECTIVE REQUEST FROM LONG-TERM TAXPAYERS, HAVE A CURRENTLY QUIET AND SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE END OF A HALF MILE DEAD END ROAD.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SAID NO TO ANNEX WHIPPOORWILL ROAD TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
SINCE THE BEGINNING AS REPRESENTATIVES, THEY HAVE A DUTY TO THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF GOOCHLAND, NOT THE DEVELOPERS AND THE PROMISE OF FUTURE RESIDENTS.
YOU SHOULD BE WORKING WITH US, NOT AGAINST US.
WE HAVE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF GOOCHLAND.
IT APPEARS ALL WE'VE RECEIVED FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A LOT OF CONTINUING MISINFORMATION FOR THE SAKE OF INCREASED TAX REVENUE, WIDEN OUR ROAD.
IT IS NEITHER REQUIRED NOR DESIRED, AND WILL ONLY, ONLY RESULT AND THE DELAY OF THE CREATION OF BETTER SOLUTIONS TO SOLVE THE FUTURE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THAT WILL COME FROM THE ADDITION OF 400 PLUS NEW HOMES AND OTHER FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS GOING SOUTH ON HOCKET.
WE ARE NOT AGAINST PROGRESS AND WE DON'T WANT RIPPER WHIPPLE ROAD ROAD TO BECOME THE SHORT PUMP OR A SHORTCUT TO SHORT PUMP.
PLEASE USE MONEY FOR THE COMMON SENSE SOLUTION OF FIXING HOCKET ROAD WITH A CONNECTOR USING ROAD A DON'T LET YOUR PROGRESS DESTROY OUR QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
PLEASE DEFER ANY FUTURE ACTION ON THIS ISSUE UNTIL A COMMON SENSE SOLUTION IS CREATED THAT CAN BE DONE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND HAS BEEN CONSIDERED BY ALL.
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.MY HOUSE IS 1567 WIPER RAILROAD, UM, AND, AND I'M, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE DECREASE IN THE PROPERTY VALUE AND THE USABILITY OF MY HOUSE AND, UH, AMONGST THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
MY HOUSE IS LESS THAN 50 FEET FROM THE ROAD AND WITH THE, THE ROAD WIDENING AND THE SIDEWALK, NOT TO MENTION, UM, MY HILL, MY HOUSE IS ALSO ON A HILL, WHICH IS A PRETTY DECENT GRADE.
SO WITH THE, THE ROAD WIDENING AND THE SIDEWALK, YOU COULD TAKE PRESUMABLY HALF OF MY FRONT YARD.
AND SO IT'S GOING TO GO LIKE THIS, TO LIKE THAT WITH THE GRADE.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HALF THE SIZE FRONT YARD, AND IT'S GOING TO BE ON SUCH A STEEP HILL.
IT'S NOT EVEN GOING TO BE USABLE.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE A VERY NICE FRONT YARD AND MAKE IT ALMOST UNUSABLE WITH THESE CONSIDERED IMPROVEMENTS.
NOT TO MENTION, UM, WE HAVE THE A HUNDRED PLUS YEAR OLD TREES, THE WALK TO BE TAKEN DOWN BECAUSE OF THE ROAD WIDENING.
UM, AND THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT YOU NEVER CAN GET THESE PIN OAKS BACK.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, UM, LANDSCAPE IT AWAY.
SO YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE THE, THE NATURE OR THE WILDLIFE OR THE, THE NICE SETTING OF, OF A RURAL HOUSE, UM, WITH VERY NICE TREES.
UM, AND SO WE LIKE DECA WHAT BRUCE WAS SAYING.
WE REALLY JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
LIKE WHAT, WHERE EXACTLY IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN? LIKE THE SIDEWALKS AND STUFF SOUND WONDERFUL, BUT LIKE THE, THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE NICE IF, IF YOU BURIED THE CURBSIDE DRAINAGE AND PUT IT ON TOP OF THAT, BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD NOT TAKE AS MUCH OF THE FRONT YARD IF YOU JUST HAVE THE CURBSIDE DRAINAGE, UM, AS A DITCH AND THEN PUT A SIDEWALK LIKE, AGAIN, MY FRONT YARD IS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY UNUSABLE.
UM, AND, AND SO WE, WE JUST WONDER IF LIKE THESE THINGS WERE OPTIONS.
AND WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO POTENTIALLY DELAY THIS, THIS DECISION SO THAT WE COULD GET THESE THINGS MORE IN WRITING INSTEAD OF JUST A NOTE.
UM, AND LIKE, AGAIN, WORK WITH US AND GET SOMETHING PROFFERED BEFORE WE, WE MOVE FORWARD AND PASSING THIS BECAUSE AGAIN, LIKE THE, THE MEETINGS IN 2017 AND 2018, I HAVE A LETTER PROVING IT THAT SAYS, PLEASE COME TO THE THIRD INFORMATIONAL MEETING.
AND WE WERE ALL, WE WERE ALL HIGHLY ENGAGED AND WE WERE ALL ABLE TO VOICE HER OPINION, BUT THIS ONE SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST BEING FAST TRACKED THROUGH.
AND WE HAVE NEW, WE HAD NO ABILITY TO LIKE, WE SEE SKIN SURGEONS IN THE FIRST PLACE AND TRY TO GET THIS AT LEAST SOME OF IT PROFFERED IN, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE, THE LOSS IN OUR PROPERTY VALUE.
UH, NOT TO MENTION THE WIPRO RULE.
IT DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO BE USED IF THEY USE ROAD A, UM, BECAUSE RHODA IS, IS THE MAJOR PLAN.
AND IF YOU, IF YOU GO ONE SLIDE BACK, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE TO USE W WE'RE BRUTAL ROAD.
IT'S LIKE THIS LIKE ODD ABUTMENT.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S GOING TO JUST HAVE A TON OF TRAFFIC, UM, AND PEOPLE WERE GOING TO GET USED TO IT.
AND IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK ONCE YOU ADD ON.
SO LIKE WE REALLY WANT IS JUST TO USE ROAD A, UM, BUT OKAY, THANK YOU.
THANKS SO MUCH, MR. MCKINNEY, GOOD EVENING.
I'M MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
MY NAME IS ROBIN DAUGHTRY AND I LIVE AT 1, 2, 3 8 5 SOUTH READERS' ROAD, AND THAT IS IN READERS' BRANCH.
AND I REALLY SYMPATHIZE WITH THE, UM, HOMEOWNERS ON WIPPA.
WELL, I CAN SYMPATHIZE WITH THEM WITH THEIR PLIGHT OF THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT, BUT MY CONCERNS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
MY HUSBAND AND I RELOCATED TO, UH, GOOCHLAND COUNTY FROM NORFOLK, VIRGINIA, AND WE MOVED IN READER'S BRANCH SEPTEMBER, UM, 2021.
WE LOOKED AT MANY DEVELOPMENTS BEFORE WE CHOSE READERS BRANCH.
WE LIKED THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO AGE RESTRICTIONS.
WE LIKED THAT THEY WERE SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED HOMES, SMALL YARDS.
UM, WE LOOKED IN MANY DEVELOPMENTS IN GOOCHLAND AND IN HENRICO, BUT WE LIKED READER'S BRANCH DURING OUR MANY VISITS TO READERS BRANCH.
WE WERE TOLD BY EAGLE REPRESENTATIVES THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE 303 HOMES, THAT IT WAS PHASE THREE, THREE PHASES, THAT THERE WOULD BE A PHASE FOUR, IF THEY COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE ROAD OVER THE READERS BRANCH CREEK, WHICH THEY FIGURED OUT BECAUSE NOW THERE'S CONSTRUCTION.
IN PHASE FOUR, WE WERE NEVER TOLD ABOUT A PHASE FIVE AND, UM, WE QUESTIONED 303
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HOMES, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT FOR READER'S BRANCH.SO NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO A PHASE FIVE MORE HOMES AND NOT ONLY MORE HOMES, BUT IT WILL NOT BE ALL SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED HOMES.
THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO PUT 32 TOWNHOMES, AND THAT CHANGES THE CHARACTERISTIC TOTALLY OF READER'S BRANCH TO PUT TOWNHOMES IN THERE WHEN, UM, AND IT'S JUST 32 IT'S AS IF THEY COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT PROPERTIES.
SO LET'S PUT A FEW TOWNHOMES IN THERE, BUT THAT CHANGES THE CHARACTERISTIC TOTALLY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS PROPOSED OR WHEN, UM, YOU ALL APPROVED READER'S BRANCH IN APRIL OF 2018, THE PROFFER WAS ABOUT DENSITY AND THAT IT WOULD BE NO MORE THAN 303 DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
AND THAT IS WHAT READER'S BRANCH WAS GONNA BE.
AND SO, UM, I OPPOSED TO THE TOWNHOMES, I OPPOSED THE EXTRA 122 HOMES.
UM, IF YOU DO PRO APPROVE THIS AND I HOPE YOU WON'T, BUT IF YOU DO APPROVE IT, I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THE DESIGN OF THE TOWNHOMES BECAUSE THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME WORK DONE TO THEM.
MY NAME IS PATRICK MCKINNEY AND MY ADDRESS IS 2 6 0 1 PORT SAVAGE DRIVE IN MID-LOW 2 3 1 1 2.
MY SON OWNS TWO PROPERTIES ON WHIP, A WHIRLWIND.
AND SO I'VE BEEN GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
NOW, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I'VE BEEN TO ALL THESE MEETINGS JUST TO, TO LISTEN AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROCESS IS, BUT THE COUNTY ITSELF IS, IS A LITTLE BIT ACCOUNTABLE TO WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY HERE.
UH, BESIDES MARK KHELANI WILL CONSTRUCTION.
YOU WERE GOING TO LEAVE THIS AS AID TO, AND YOU KNOW, THAT HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF FARM LAND HAS BEEN FARMED AND GOING DOWN INTO THIS BALL OVER HERE ON 82.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO DISTURB THE GROUND THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
WITH THIS WALKWAY THAT YOU WANT.
ALSO JUST NORTH OF MY SON'S PROPERTY.
THERE'S A GENTLEMAN THAT HAS ABOUT EIGHT, AN ACRE OR TWO THERE THAT HE'S HAD A JUNKYARD ON FOR PROBABLY 50 YEARS.
AND IF THE COUNTY'S NOT AWARE OF THAT, THAT'S A CONCERN.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS OF WHIPPLE ROAD, BUT THE AMOUNT OF TOXINS THAT YOU'LL RELEASE WITH ALL THIS, THIS JUNK THERE WITH THE OIL AND GAS, THE SUN WILL BURN THAT OFF.
AND 50, 60 YEARS AGO, WE ALL KNEW WE WERE, A LOT OF US ARE HOLDING ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WE'D DUMPED THINGS ON THE GROUND THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DUMPING.
HALF OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE PROBABLY 90% OF THE REASON WHY MOST OF OUR HARDCORE MANUFACTURING HAS GONE OFF SHORE.
AND I HAVE WAS PART OF SOME OF THAT MYSELF IS BECAUSE WE CAN DO IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S LAND.
WELL, THIS LAND HAS A HIGH PROBABILITY OF HAVING TOXINS IN IT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A SEWER AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE SEWER.
MAYBE THE RUNOFF WOULD GO INTO THE SEWER, BUT THAT WHATEVER TOXINS ARE IN THIS LAND ON THAT 82, AND ON THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY ARE IN THE GROUND AT THIS PROPERTY.
THIS JUNK YARD IS GOING TO BE RELEASED INTO THE WATERWAY SYSTEM, AND IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN TUCKO CREEK AND IT'S GOING TO GO INTO WHATEVER.
SO I CONTACTED, UH, AND SENT A NOTE TO HENRICO COUNTY BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE TUCKAHOE CREEK AREA.
IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING RIGHT OR WRONG.
ALL DAY ON THIS, YOU ARE ALLOWING TOXINS TO GO INTO THAT WHEREVER.
AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING AT ALL.
FOR ANYONE CONCERNED, WE'VE HAD SO MANY PROBLEMS WE KNOW BETTER TODAY THAN TO RELEASE THIS AND NOT DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.
YOU SHOULD STOP THIS PROJECT, DOING AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY ON THE PROPERTY, THE LAND AROUND THIS AREA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DISTURB, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GO INTO THAT CREEK IS GOING TO GO INTO THAT RIVER AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRINK IT.
ANYONE ELSE? 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
AND, UM, I DON'T ENVY THE BOARD.
YOU HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND FIND A WAY TO GET TO.
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BUT I THINK YOU'VE BEEN HEARING SOME BONAFIDE CONCERNS.I HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF THIS PROCESS UP TO NOW, BUT I CERTAINLY CAN APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS AS IT RE, UH, CONCERNS TRAFFIC IN, IN JUST A CHANGE TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE COUNTY FOR A WHILE.
AND I AM IN FAVOR OF SEEING WHAT I'LL CALL GRACEFUL GROWTH HERE IN THE COUNTY, BUT HOW DID WE DO IT AND RESPECT AND APPRECIATE THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE AND NOT SO MUCH ON BEHALF OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE COMING HERE.
I APPRECIATE THAT THE MARKEL EAGLE IS A QUALITY PARTNER WHEN IT COMES TO CONSTRUCTION.
I THINK THERE COULDN'T BE A BETTER PARTNER IN MANY WAYS HE WAYS, BUT THIS MAY BE ONE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES NOT TO NEGOTIATE UP HERE WITH THEM.
CAN THEY CHANGE THIS AND CHANGE THAT, BUT PERHAPS TO DIFFER AND FIND OPPORTUNITIES THAT RESPECTS AND MAINTAINS THE QUALITIES THAT THE PEOPLE ON WHIP OR WILL, OR CURRENTLY ENJOYING, UH, THE, I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT THE A TWO ROAD OR THE A ROAD.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO CALL IT EXACTLY, BUT IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE RECONFIGURED? SO THERE WERE PER WILL REMAINS AS IT IS A CALLED THE SAC, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE OTHER IS I'M LOOKING AT THE PLOT HERE AND I SEE THE BIGGER LOTS, UH, TOWARDS BOTH BORDERS OF THAT PARCEL.
AND ONE PLOT IS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL AND THE OTHER ONE'S GOING TO BE PRIME, INDUSTRIAL, AND I'VE SAT HERE AND I STILL CALL IT THE OFF SHUCKS DEVELOPMENT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE SURPRISED THAT THEY LIVE NEXT TO A QUARRY.
AND I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SURPRISED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL GOING IN NEXT TO THEIR RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS COMES BACK PERHAPS TO MR. LUMPKIN'S COMMENTS ON A PREVIOUS CASE, CAN SOMETHING BE PUT INTO THE CONTRACTS THAT SAYS, BY THE WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON A HIGH VOLUME ROAD.
AND JUST NORTH OF YOU WAS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND JUST SOUTH OF YOU IS GOING TO BE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND DON'T BE SURPRISED WHEN SOMEBODY COMES ALONG WITH A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR ZONING IS.
AND I'VE HEARD ONE COMMENT TONIGHT.
WE WEREN'T TOLD THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN EXTENSION OF A 300 PLUS COMMUNITY.
SO THE LIGHTS BLINKED, BUT GOOD LUCK GUYS.
I HOPE THAT THE REFERRAL IS AN OPTION THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER AND NOT MAKE SAUSAGE FROM THE DIAZ, UH, BUT JUST COME BACK AND RESPECT THAT.
UH, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE BEEN IN THE COUNTY FOR A BUNCH OF DECADES THAT WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THEY'VE BEEN ENJOYING, YOU KNOW, SIT DOWN AND THANKS.
UNFORTUNATELY, A COUPLE OF FOLKS WANTED TO JOIN REMOTELY, BUT I CAN'T GET SIGNAL IN HERE.
IF YOU COME ON UP, JUST COME ON.
I LIVE AT 12, 12 OLD SAW MILL LANE IN ASHLAND, VIRGINIA.
I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE, UH, THE WHIP BLUEBELL PROPERTY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
UM, OUR FAMILY HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE 1979.
UH, WE PURCHASED IT AT THAT TIME FOR TIMBER AND FOR A LONG-TERM INVESTMENT OVER THE PAST 43 YEARS, BESIDES CUTTING THE TIMBER TWICE.
THE PROPERTY SAT QUIETLY WHILE WE WAITED FOR OPPORTUNITY, AS MENTIONED BEFORE THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS A SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY HAS ONLY HAD ACCESS THROUGH WHIPPOORWILL TO DATE.
UM, THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT HAS NOT BEEN POSSIBLE.
BUT NOW THAT THE ADJACENT READER'S BRANCH DEVELOPMENT IS UNDERWAY, UM, THAT, THAT PROVIDES THE SECOND ACCESS POINT THAT, UH, THUS OPENING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US, UM, DURING OUR OWNERSHIP OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, WE HAVE GRANTED THE PRO THE, THE COUNTY EASEMENTS FOR A UTILITIES TWICE.
THE FIRST EASEMENT WAS YEARS AGO FOR A SEWER LINE ACCESS THAT, UM, PROVIDE SANITARY SEWER SERVICE TO THE WEST BROAD STREET CORRIDOR.
THE, UH, THE SECOND ACT, UH, SECOND EASEMENT WAS GRANTED JUST LAST YEAR, AND THAT WILL ENABLE SANITARY SEWER SERVICE TO BE EXTENDED TO THE PROPERTIES ALONG WHIPPLE WHEEL ROAD.
UH, THIS PROPOSE, UH, SERVICE, UH, IT PROVIDES NO MECHANICAL BENEFIT TO OUR PROPERTY, BUT, UH, BUT IT IS A BETTERMENT TO THE COUNTY AND TO THE COMMUNITY OF .
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UM, OUR PROPERTY IS LOCATED AND ADDRESSED ON WIPPA WILL AND HAS BEEN SINCE A ROAD WAS CONSTRUCTED APPROXIMATELY 60 YEARS AGO.UH, I BELIEVE THAT EAGLE HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH THE COUNTY STAFF AND HAS LISTENED TO THE VOICES OF THE COMMUNITY HAS COME UP WITH A REASONABLE PLAN.
AND FOR THESE REASONS WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, BECOMES A HUMAN, WHAT ELSE ARE YOU THERE? MA'AM UNFORTUNATELY, THEY NEED TO BE IN PERSON.
SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED THERE WAS A DEATH IN THE FAMILY THAT HAPPENED TO US TOO.
IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT THEY'RE HEARD THEY'RE CALLING YOU ON THE ROAD, SIR.
MR. MCGEE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE RULES OF YOUR PROCEDURE FOR MEETINGS THAT ARE ADOPTED ANNUALLY AND USED BY THE BOARD YEAR AFTER YEAR, DO NOT PROVIDE, UH, PARTICIPATION IF YOU'RE NOT IN PERSON.
UM, OTHER, OTHER THAN I THINK THERE IS ONE, UH, P E C, WE ALLOW THE SALE SENDING US EMAILS IN ADVANCE, UM, AND OTHER WAYS FOR SOMEONE WHO CAN NOT BE IN PERSON, BUT ACTUALLY ASKING TO BE REMOTE FROM THE CITIZEN.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE LAUNDRY RULES, CORRECT? ANYONE ELSE IN PERSON GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE CHAIR, SPOON HOUR AND ALL Y'ALL, UH, MICHAEL MCDERMOTT, 1879 SPRUCE LANE.
I'VE OWNED PROPERTY AT 1576 WHIPPOORWILL ROAD SINCE, UH, MARCH.
WE MOVED THERE IN MARCH OF 93.
WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN SEPTEMBER OF 1993 AND RAISED TWO SONS THERE.
BOTH OF WHOM ARE NOW HOMEOWNERS, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IS MS. BROWN STILL HERE, MS. BROWN, WHO GOT UP HERE AND TAUGHT ONE OF MY, ONE OF MY SONS.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MR. GILMAN, UH, NO QUALM AT ALL WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, UH, GENERATIONAL WEALTH CAPITALISM.
UH, AS FAR AS YOU'RE MENTIONING THE, UH, EASEMENTS FOR THE SEWER, I MEAN, LET'S NOT BE DISINGENUOUS HERE, TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
THAT'S WHY THIS LAND CAN BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE IT'S GOT WATER AND IT'S GOT SEWER, UH, DIGRESSING, UH, MY, MY FELLOW PROPERTY OWNERS, WE'VE BEEN PAYING INTO THE TCSD FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW.
STILL NO SEWER, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD MENTION IT.
YEAH, I'M GETTING SOME SMILES UP HERE.
SO WHY AM I HERE? UH, WELL, I HEARD THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED, UH, ABOUT SOME GENERATIONAL STUFF.
UH, REMEMBER THE JONI MITCHELL SONG.
REMEMBER HER JONI MITCHELL? YEAH.
THEY PAVED PARADISE AND THEY PUT UP A PARKING LOT, BIG YELLOW TAXI.
I'M NOT GOING TO SING IT, BUT IN THIS CASE, A WEBER WILL ROAD MAY NOT BE A PARADISE.
ALTHOUGH I THINK IT HAS BEEN FOR A LOT OF US.
UH, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER MY SONS AND THE PROPHETS SONGS GOING UP AND DOWN THE STREET ON BICYCLES.
THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHERE FIRST RESPONDERS, SCHOOL TEACHERS, UH, PEOPLE IN MEDICAL PROFESSIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, MECHANICS THAT LUCK STONE TO SALT OF THE EARTH, UH, EAGLE MARKEL.
WELL, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU, THEY'RE NOT YOUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPER.
AS OF TODAY AT FOUR O'CLOCK, THEIR STOCK CLOSED AT $1,263 AND 5 CENTS A SHARE.
IT WAS UP 2.5% OR 30 POINTS, $30 AND 99 CENTS A SHARE THEIR MARKET.
CAPITALIZATION IS 17.2, $6 BILLION.
THEY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.
THEY'VE DEVELOPED READER'S BRANCH.
THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THE GILMAN PROPERTY.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST ARE COMING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT 40, 85 ACRES UP ON POUNCEY TRACT.
IN MY OPINION, THEY VIEW US AS SOMETHING THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS, WHICH IS LAND WITH WATER AND SEWER AND NOT JUST LISA BISCAY.
BUT THEIR JOB IS TO SERVE THEIR INVESTORS IN THE BOTTOM LINE.
I THINK WITH THE RESOURCES THAT MARKEL
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HAS, THEY CAN DO BETTER.THEY CAN DO BETTER TO BE NEIGHBORS.
I'VE READ THEIR PROFFERS PRO OFFERS.
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PRONOUNCE IT.
AND THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF LINES IN THERE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS FOR THE PROPERTY, BUT NOT FOR, OR WILL THIS, BUT NOT FOR WHIPPOORWILL THIS, BUT NOT FOR WIPPER.
WELL, WHERE'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPIRIT.
I, I'M NOT ONE OF THESE, NOT IN MY BACKYARD OF GUYS.
I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN MY BACKYARD, MAKE IT NICE.
AND THIS WHOLE ROAD A THING IS A PIPE DREAM.
NOW WE NEEDED ROAD A YESTERDAY.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE'LL MAKE THIS WORK.
I MEAN, LOOK AT ALL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THERE AND IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN WIPPER WOOL ROAD.
THERE THERE'S NO TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUT TO HOCKET ROAD TO GET UP TO MCDONALD'S.
THEY'VE ALREADY HAD ENOUGH FORESIGHT.
THEY WANT TO PUT AN EXPERT TURN LANE IN AT THE WIPPER WILL THEY KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ONEROUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THERE.
THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS.
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS TO, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO DENY IT.
UH, I HOPE YOU'RE NOT NONSENSICAL ENOUGH TO APPROVE IT.
I THINK YOU'LL SHOW WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN IN THE PAST WITH YOUR STRONG LEADERSHIP AND COMMUNITY COMMITMENT TO DEFER THIS AND ASK A 17.2, $6 BILLION COMPANY TO COME BACK WITH A BETTER WAY TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AT THIS TIME WE WOULD ASK IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY'VE HEARD.
I THINK THE BINDER IS BIGGER THAN THE NORMAL WAY BACK.
DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO KIND OF MAKE SURE DON'T GET MUDDIED? UM, THE L U L T U 40, UM, CROSS SECTION OF ROADWAY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE'RE PROFFERING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROADWAY DOESN'T CREEP OUT FURTHER INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES OR TOWARDS THEIR NEIGHBORS' PROPERTIES AS NECESSARY.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, PEOPLE'S PERCEIVED FRONT YARDS AND HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT THEIR FRONT YARDS.
IT'S A 50 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY WE'D PLAN TO DO THE 40 FEET OF IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THAT 50 FEET LEAVING THAT FIVE FOOT EXTRA ON THE ENVELOPE THERE.
UM, SAFETY AND MODERNIZATION WAS TWO OF THE BIG WORDS WE HEARD AT THE MEETING IN JANUARY WITH THE RESIDENTS, UM, MODERNIZATION.
IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING TO EVERWILL ROAD.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO ESSENTIALLY RECONSTRUCT THE ENTIRE ROADWAY UP TO BROAD STREET ROAD.
UM, WE ARE REDEFINING AND PROVING THE DITCH LINE.
WE'RE BRINGING UP THE ROAD TO CURRENT COUNTY LOCAL ROAD STANDARDS.
I CALL THAT MODERNIZATION, UM, SAFETY BY CONSTRUCTING A NARROWER ROADWAY SECTION THAN THE LTU 50.
I THINK IT'S AN AUTOMATIC DOESN'T FEEL GOOD TO GO FAST ON THIS ROAD.
A NARROWER PAVEMENT WITH IS NATURAL TRAFFIC CALMING.
UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME QUESTION ABOUT READER'S BRANCH FOUR YEARS AGO, FIVE YEARS AGO.
I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE A READER'S BRANCH IS NOT THIS PARCEL READER'S BRANCH DOESN'T HAVE FRONTAGE ON WEBER WHEEL ROAD.
EAGLE CONSTRUCTION DID HAVE, DOES HAVE A PARCEL THAT WE PURCHASED ON WHIPPOORWILL ROAD.
WE WERE PROPOSING TO PUT A ROAD THROUGH THERE TO ACCESS RIPPER WHEEL RIDE WITH THE READER'S BRANCH REZONING.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS A DIFFERENT PROPERTY.
THIS PROPERTY, AS MR. GILMAN NOTED HAS BEEN, IS ON WHIPPOORWILL ROAD, IT'S ADDRESSED ON REPARABLE ROAD.
UM, IT DOESN'T, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION THAT ANY PROPOSAL THAT COMES FORWARD ON THIS PARCEL HAS TO CONNECT BASED ON V DOT STANDARDS TO WEAVERVILLE ROAD AND TO READER'S BRANCH.
UM, WHETHER IT'S AN EAGLE PROPOSAL, WHETHER IT'S AN XYZ PROPOSAL,
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DOESN'T MATTER.YOU'RE NOT REQUIREMENT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE A PUBLIC ROAD STOP IS PROVIDED.
YOU HAVE TO CONNECT IF YOUR ROADS ARE TO BE PUBLIC ALSO, UM, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE.
ONE OTHER THING IS, IS NO PART OF ANYONE'S PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE TAKEN FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
AS I MENTIONED, EVERYTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE EXISTING 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
WE'RE PROPOSING THE LTU 40 TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT AND THE PERCEIVED IMPACT ON THE PERCEIVED FRONT YARDS OF THOSE PEOPLE ADJACENT TO THAT 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
I LIVE ON A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND I'M MO UP TO THE PAVEMENT JUST LIKE MOST PEOPLE DO.
UM, WELL, MY HUSBAND, UM, SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE IS THAT THIS IS AN EXISTING 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
I'M ALSO MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THEN I'LL WRAP IT UP.
UM, THE WAY WE LEFT THE MEETING BACK IN JANUARY WAS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS GOING TO WORK TO BUILD CONSENSUS AND CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE WANTED OR AGREED UPON BY THE RESIDENTS.
UM, I'VE SINCE REACHED OUT TWICE AND I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY SORT OF, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT.
I THINK AS YOU'VE HEARD, EVERYONE WOULD LIKE SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND NOBODY WANTS IT TO LOOK LIKE IT'S IN THEIR FRONT YARD.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE STRUGGLE, UM, THAT WE HAVE COME UP AGAINST.
I DO UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS THOUGH.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU TODAY? WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT COMMUNITY AND DECORUM.
I'VE JUST ASKED THAT YOU RESPECT IN THE PROCESS TO AFFORD TO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS, PLEASE.
IF WE COULD JUST KEEP THE COMMENTS TO A MINIMUM, IT WILL HAVE A MUCH BETTER EVENING.
UM, THE MEETING IN JANUARY CAME ABOUT BECAUSE I WAS MADE AWARE OF THE LETTER THAT WAS EMAILED TO COUNTY STAFF AND OFFICIALS.
I WAS GIVEN A COPY OF THAT LETTER BASED ON PUBLIC INFORMATION.
AND I REACHED OUT TO THE PERSON WHO WROTE THE LETTER.
I REACHED OUT, WE CALLED THEM SET UP A MEETING.
UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE HAD THE MEETING IN JANUARY.
SINCE I, AGAIN, REACHED OUT TWICE.
UM, IDENTICAL, I DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF CONSENSUS THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME FROM, FROM THAT MEETING SINCE THAT MEETING.
I THINK THAT IS EVERYTHING I HAVE TO ADD.
BOARD, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE RESTROOM BREAK.
AND AGAIN, DO WE NEED 10 MINUTES? YEAH.
SO WE ARE HEARD A LOT 10 MINUTES, UM, TO, UH, SOME BIO BREAKS AND, UM, WE WILL BE BACK HERE AND, UH, SEE THE BIG HAND ON THE FIVE OTHER FIVE, 13 MINUTES.
THAT'S THAT EXTRA THREE MINUTES FOR MS. MS. LAST LET'S BIRTHDAY, BY THE WAY.
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BIG HANDS ON THE FIVE.THANK EVERYONE FOR, UM, FOR THE LITTLE BREAK.
SO WE'VE CLOSED OUR PUBLIC WE'RE BACK IN SESSION.
UM, WHAT IS OUR PREFERENCE? WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW WE ARE OPEN TO DISCUSSION MOTION.
COULD, CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION THAT YOU MOST CERTAINLY CAN ASK THEM AT LEAST ONE, MAYBE TWO.
I THINK I KNOW I'M OUT OF MY QUESTIONS FOR THE EVENING.
NOW YOU GET ONE MS. CROFT DURING THE BREAK.
SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS ASKED ME, UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME QUESTIONS, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS CONTEMPLATED, HOW SIZES, AND I KNOW, UNDERSTANDABLY, IT'S NOT IN YOUR PROFFERS, BUT IT'S IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
SO CAN YOU DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMITMENT YOU'RE MAKING? VIS-A-VIS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN? YES, SIR.
UM, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN WAS DESIGNED WITH A APPROXIMATELY 28 FOOT WIDE TOWNHOME.
UM, THESE ARE A CURRENT EAGLE CONSTRUCTION PRODUCT.
WE ARE BUILDING THEM IN THE TOWN OF ASHLAND IN A COMMUNITY CALLED LAURA DEL.
AND THE TOWNHOMES THERE ARE CURRENTLY LISTED ARE SELLING FOR ABOUT $460,000.
THE SITE PLAN WAS DESIGNED WITH THAT SHAPE, THAT BOX, ESSENTIALLY THE FOOTPRINT.
AND SINCE YOU OFFERED THE ESTIMATE HOME, I KNOW THINGS ARE GOING UP AND THINGS MAY GO DOWN.
BUT, BUT HOW ABOUT THE HOMES OR WHAT DO YOU, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? WELL, SO I THINK SECTION THREE IN READERS RIGHT NOW IS AVERAGING ABOUT SIX 20 CLOSED, CLOSED, AND THAT'S NOT BASE PRICE THAT'S RIGHT.
ONCE PEOPLE DECIDE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN IT.
THANKS FOR SHARING THIS LAST CLIP.
UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION MIGHT BE FOR STAFF.
UM, SO, SO MR. CASH BOTTOM LINE, THERE'S NO WAY FOR THIS TO WORK WITHOUT GOING THROUGH.
WILL, IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S NO OTHER OPTION, RIGHT? WE'RE PROPELLED NEEDS TO BE THE CONNECTION.
UM, AT THIS POINT TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE WHAT IS CONSIDERED A SECOND PUBLIC ACCESS FOR THE NUMBER OF LOTS BEING PROPOSED.
AND WHY IS THAT? SO CURRENTLY YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP, UH, ABOUT 49, LOTS OFF A SINGLE ACCESS FOR THIS PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR, THEIR SINGLE ACCESS WOULD COME OFF OF WEBER WILL WITHOUT A CONNECTION TO READERS BRANCH.
THAT IS THE ROAD FRONTAGE, UM, ELIGIBILITY.
UM, THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THIS, THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY ABUTS CURRENTLY, WHAT BY REAL ROAD, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS PROPOSED, THIS WOULD ALL SAY PROVIDED A SECOND ACCESS TO, TO READER'S BRANCH, UM, AS THE SHOWING THE CORRECT CONNECTION.
SO UNLESS ROADWAY WAS BUILT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY BACK UP TO BROAD STREET, THERE WOULDN'T, THERE'S NO CAPABILITY OF DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT BLIPPAR WELL-READ EXCUSE ME.
SO ROAD A WOULD GO FROM WHERE TO WHERE, AND HE HAS PROPOSED HERE WOULD EVENTUALLY, UM, GO ALL THE WAY UP TO OUR BROAD STREET ROAD.
UM, THERE'S SEVERAL PROPERTIES BETWEEN THE SAND UP BROAD STREET ROAD.
SO IT WOULD GO TO BROAD STREET PROMENADE ON THE OTHER END WHERE, UM, SO CURRENTLY IF WE CAN
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GET BACK TO I WENT THROUGH MY DIRECTIONS.SO CURRENTLY YOU WOULD, IT, THIS ROAD WOULD COME DOWN AND ACTUALLY BE A FUTURE, UM, ROAD THAT WOULD CONNECT BACK EVER TO HOCKETT.
AND THEN THIS ROAD, WHICH IS REALLY HONEST, READER'S BRANCH, IT'S ALMOST SERVING THAT.
AND THEN EVENTUALLY THIS WOULD EXTEND DOWN TO THE PRIMARY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA, WHICH WOULD HOPEFULLY IT'S AN AREA THAT WE HOPE WOULD FURTHER DEVELOP AND HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ROAD CONNECTIONS IN THAT AREA.
SO ON THIS MAP, THE, THE YELLOW, WHERE THAT TO THE, TO THE LEFT THERE, THAT ROAD IS FUTURE THAT'S.
ARE WE JUST BRANCHES SORT OF MORE SUITED TO THIS TYPE OF ROUNDING HERE? UM, BUT THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT IN HERE.
AND SHOW ME WHERE WIPPA WILL IS ON HERE.
SO WIPRO WELL IS IT'S RIGHT ABOUT THERE.
UM, IT'S CLOSE TO THE ABROAD, SO IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DECEPTIVE HERE.
THANK YOU, MR. CASH, THAT PROMPT SOME QUESTIONS.
YOU SAID THERE SEVERAL PARCELS, THIS ISN'T, WAS IT JUST TWO OR DO YOU KNOW? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER TWO OR THREE.
UM, THE, THE PIECE IS DIRECTLY NORTH IS TO, UM, IS, IS JUST BEEN RECENTLY PURCHASED, BUT I KNOW THERE IS ANOTHER PIECE THAT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO BROAD BETWEEN THIS AND THE ONE DIRECTLY NORTH.
SO I THINK YOU'VE KIND OF MADE A POINT WHEN, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE BOARD AND I NOTICED THESE, THESE ARE JUST KIND OF LIKE REALLY HIGH LEVEL CONCEPTS.
LIKE WE NEED A ROAD HERE JUST DRAWING WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF TOPOGRAPHY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN YOU POINTED OUT THAT HORIZONTAL ROAD, FUTURE ROAD, YOU ALREADY, IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, YOU KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGED IT'S NOT GOING TO APPEAR LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY THINGS BEING DEVELOPED THAT ARE GOING TO CAUSE US TO HAVE TO KIND OF NAVIGATE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THAT'S MORE OF A CONCEPTUAL TYPE OF, UM, THE PLAN FOR THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE SAME WAY, AS YOU KNOW, THESE TYPES OF ROADS COME ABOUT AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, AT THIS WE ALL, IT'S, IT'S A MESSY PROCESS, BUT I THINK THIS IS WHAT CONCERNS ME.
AND I THINK ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS HEIRS, WE ALL TALKING ABOUT GROWING GRACEFULLY AND THAT OPENS UP A LOT OF POINTS OF DISCUSSION.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME, IF WE'RE JUST A COUPLE OF PARCELS AWAY FROM BROAD STREET AND ROAD A, WE NOW HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT'S CHARTING OUT A PLACE TO DO ROAD A, OR THIS IS THE FIRST TIME.
I MEAN, I'M SURE IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE, BUT THIS IS FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN WHERE THESE ONE OF THESE PAPER ROADS ARE ACTUALLY BEING INTEGRATED INTO A PLANT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THIS HORIZONTAL PAPER ROAD WAS INTEGRATED IN, IN PLANS ALONG THERE WAS IT? YEAH.
I MEAN, THAT'S COMPETENT UNDERSTAFFED MEMBER.
THAT'S BEEN HERE A LITTLE BIT LONGER JUST TO VERIFY HOW THAT, THAT PERIL THE EAST WEST ROAD WAS ACCOMMODATED FOR.
IT WILL BE ACCOMMODATED FOR, UM, BUT IT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE THE OPPORTUNITIES WHEN, WHEN THEY COME, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU PLAN FOR GENERALLY WHERE YOU EXPECT THE AREA TO GO AND THEN DEVELOPMENT PAYS FOR IT WITHOUT TAX DOLLARS.
BUT I THINK MAYBE THIS IS THE TIME WHEN THE BOARD, AS SOON AS YOU GET MORE, MORE GROWTH AND MORE DENSITY IN THIS AREA, CLOSE TO WHERE WE'RE PLANNING IT.
I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS THE PLAN, CAUSE CAUSE ROAD A IS A BIG, IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR ME IN CONSIDERING THIS GETTING ROAD EIGHT DONE.
I KNOW FOLKS ARE SAYING, BUILD IT NOW.
WELL, THERE'S ISSUES WITH THAT, LIKE MONEY AND WHO AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, BUT I HOPE WE ARE DESIGNING AROUND, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT, SO THAT HORIZONTAL ROAD.
AND HOW ABOUT THE SOUTHERN, HOW ABOUT SOUTH OF HERE? DO WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS IN THE WORKS THAT ARE GOING TO SAY, WELL, WE REALLY CAN'T.
THAT PAPER REALLY IS CAN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE OTHER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED OR IS THAT KIND OF, WE HAVE A CLEAR SHOT NORTH.
DO WE HAVE A CLEAR SHOT SOUTH? UM, SOUTH IS A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T HAVE TIME.
WE'RE DOING, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SPECIFY WHAT'S TO THIS HOUSE.
GOOD EVENING, JOANNE HUNTER, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
UM, SO ADD IT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS PART OF, UM, FOLLOW UP FROM A STUDY THAT WAS AN ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THIS ENTIRE AREA, UM, THAT WAS DONE BY V DOT THE, UH, I HAD WORKED ON THE, UH, READER'S BRANCH ZONING CASE.
AND THIS ROAD HERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF DISCUSSION DURING THE READER'S BRANCH ZONING CASE.
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THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE.UM, SO IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT ZONING CASE, THEY, UM, WANTED TO PUT THAT ROAD CROSSING AT THE SMALLEST AREA OF THE CREEK.
UM, SO THE WAY THAT THE DESIGN OF THE SUBDIVISION, IT, YOU DON'T, IT IS CIRCUITOUS.
YOU DON'T GO IN AND JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THIS THING.
YOU HAVE TO GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT JOGS AND THEN GOES OVER THE CREEK AT THE SHORTEST POINT.
UM, BUT AT THAT POINT, DURING THAT ZONING CASE, WE HAD ALWAYS INDICATED TO THEM THAT IT WOULD NEED TO CONNECT TO THIS NORTH SOUTH ROAD.
UH, THERE IS ALSO AN IJR STUDY BEING DONE HERE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL INTERSECTION, UM, THAT IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH A STUDY STAGE, WHICH IS WHAT THE, THAT ROAD IS POTENTIALLY PLANNING TO CONNECT TO.
SO IT WOULD CREATE, CREATE A PARALLEL ROAD, UM, BETWEEN 2 88 AND HOCKETT TO RELIEVE SOME OF THE PRESSURE ON HOCKET.
WELL, YOU GET EXACTLY, EXACTLY.
SO, SO THAT, THAT I KNOW, I THINK THE TPO HAS JUST FUNDED THAT STUDY FOR THAT INTERCHANGE.
UM, SO AT LEAST IN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S DEVELOPED THERE, BUT WE DO HAVE A CLEAR SHOT SOUTH.
IF THAT INTERCHANGE COMES INTO PLACE, WE DO HAVE A CLEAR SHOT SOUTH.
AND OF COURSE THIS DEVELOPMENT IN SOME WAYS WHAT WE'RE DOING WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY, WE'LL KIND OF START TO SOLIDIFY THE, THE ROAD A AND MAYBE THE HORIZONTAL ROAD.
WE'LL GO SEE, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RELIEVING PRESSURE ON HOCKEY.
YOU'RE THINKING JUST THE NORTH SOUTH COMPLETION WILL RELIEVE PRESSURE ON HIGH.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW ASHLYN AND HOCKETT ARE FAILING.
THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A PROPOSAL TO REDESIGN HOCKET TO CONNECT OVER HERE TO ASHLYN ROAD.
UM, BUT THE INTERSECTIONS ALONG HERE, ALL FAILING AS HOCKET ROAD CONTINUES TO DEVELOP.
THIS WOULD BE A RELIEF BACK RELIEF VALVE FOR THANK YOU.
JUMPING BACK TO, TO THIS MATTER, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT EAGLE EAGLE HAS SAID THEY WANT TO BUILD CONSENSUS WHILE I THINK WE'VE HEARD ENOUGH THAT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE.
SO WHEN MS. CROFT SAID, IF ONE PERSON SAYS, I DON'T WANT THAT SIDEWALK ON MY SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
THAT'S KIND OF A BIG OBSTACLE FOR ME, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL PICK IT UP.
MS. CENTER, THE ROAD, THIS, THIS PLAN A ROAD, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE HOPE WILL BE BUILT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW CAN IT BE BUILT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT TO BROAD STREET? UH, SO THE, THIS DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY THAT'S UNDER THE SUBJECT ZONING CASE DOES NOT, UM, HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP ALL THE WAY TO BROAD STREET.
UM, SO WHEN WE PUT THESE ROADS ON OUR COMP PLAN, WE DESIGN THEM SO THAT THEY CAN BUILD WHAT'S WITHIN THEIR OWNERSHIP.
UM, THERE ARE TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE, UM, IF I CAN SHOW YOU ON ONE OF RAY'S MAPS APPS, DID I GO THE WRONG WAY? APOLOGIZE.
AM I GOING THE WRONG? NOW? I'M REALLY IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
ALL RIGHT, RAY, GET ME TO A CONCEPT MAP.
I WANT TO SHOW THEM THE TWO PARCELS, PLEASE.
YEAH, WELL, THAT'S THE, LET'S JUST SEARCH THE TRAY, BUT IT'S NOT VERY DISRUPTIVE.
YOU CAN SHOW ME THE MAP THAT SHOWS PROPERTY LINES.
WE'LL GET TO THE AERIALS, THE AERIALS AND SHOWS THE PROPERTY.
SO HERE HIGHLIGHTED AS THE PROPERTY ROAD, THE POTENTIAL INTERCHANGE IS HERE.
THAT ROAD DAY IS DESIGNED TO GO UP TO, TO THE LEFT.
I'M SORRY IF I'M INTERRUPTING, BUT I CAN LOOK IN AT THE GIS MAPS AND THE TWO PARCELS IN QUESTION TO THE NORTH OF THE BIG RED, OKAY.
WHERE THE SMITH PROPERTY WAS JUST SOLD AT AUCTION.
AND THEN THE NEXT PROPERTY UP IS OWNED BY PRUITT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO GET TO.
SO AS A, PLEASE, LET'S STEP OVER TO THE RIGHT, THAT STOPS GO DOWN THE RED, WHICH IS THE AGE TO WHICH WE PLEASE PLEASE ALLOW STAFF TO DO THIS.
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IS GENERALLY GOING TO RUN HERE.THIS IS THE SMITH PARCEL THAT HE HAD INDICATED HAD JUST SOLD.
AND THEN THIS IS THE PRUITT PROPERTY, UH, WHICH IS OWNED HERE.
THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE COMING IN ABOUT THIS AREA AND DOWN AND ORIGINALLY CONNECT TO HERE.
SO THAT WILL BE BUILT WHEN IT WILL BE BUILT AS THE PROPERTIES ARE DEVELOPED.
SO WHEN THOSE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS COME IN TO TALK ABOUT A REZONING CASE, UH, BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES NEAR THE SMITH PROPERTY ZONED DAY TWO, I BELIEVE THE PRUITT PIECES AS WELL.
UM, AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, WE WOULD DISCUSS WITH THEM THAT THIS ROAD IS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THEM TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, AND THEIR POTENTIAL ZONING OR, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLANS ANYBODY TODAY TO BUILD THAT ROAD.
SO I'M I JUMP IN HERE IF IT'S OKAY.
I'LL TAKE A LITTLE PREROGATIVE WITH THE GAMBLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT THIS CASE IS HE SAYS, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME HARD CASES AS I'VE BEEN ON BOARD.
WE'VE HAD MANNEQUIN TOWN, SONGBIRD, YELLOWSTONE IN EACH CASE WE'VE GOTTEN TO YES, AS MR. LYLE.
UM, SOMETIMES WE DO MAKE TOO MUCH SAUSAGE ON A DIET, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN TO WHERE THERE'S MORE AGREEMENT I WHAT'S CONCERNING TO ME IS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TRUTH IS IN THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, TRUTH IS ALWAYS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, BUT I HEAR RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SAYING SINCE CHRISTMAS, TRYING TO GET TOGETHER, THEN I HAVE A DEVELOPER SAYING, I'M TRYING TO GET TOGETHER.
I GOT A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GET TOGETHER.
I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THEM TIME TO GET TOGETHER.
CAN YOU GIVE ME A SUPERBOWL PREDICTION? THERE WILL BE A WINNER WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER COMMUNITY MEANS AND NOT AT NINE O'CLOCK ON A THURSDAY MORNING.
UM, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO GET TO YES.
I CAN'T SEE GOING DOWN WITH A ROBE.
THAT IS, THAT IS MY BOTTOM LINE.
I'D LIKE TO FIND ANOTHER WAY FOR THIS TO WORK.
UM, MS. HANNAH, DO WE NOT ALREADY HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES? UH, WE HAVE A PRE-APPLICATION FILED ON THE, UM, SMITH PARCEL, WHICH IS THIS PARCEL, UM, THAT THE PLAN FOR COMMERCIAL, THE PRE-APPLICATION THAT WAS FILED WAS FOR A RPU D, WHICH IS, UH, THE SAME ZONING THAT THIS CASE IS BEING REQUESTED.
BOARD, ANY MOTIONS STRUGGLING TO MAKE A MOTION? NOT IN MY DISTRICT FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS, BUT I WOULD MOVE THAT.
WE DEFER THIS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS MARCH ONE.
HOW, HOW FULL IS THE WHAT'S THE DOCKET LOOK LIKE FOR MARTIN? UH, WE HAVE THREE CASES ON THEM, UH, GO INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOMORROW NIGHT, AND THEN WE HAD DEFERRED QUESENBERRY.
AND THEN THIS ONE, SO THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF FIVE COMING TO THE BOARD IF THIS CASE WAS DEFERRED.
AND WHAT ABOUT WHEN THE FIRST DEFERRAL SIX? YES.
UM, THE ONES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, UH, ARE NON-CONTROVERSIAL CASES AND SHOULDN'T BE TIME-CONSUMING OH, THERE IS ONE LARGE REZONING, UM, ANOTHER EAGLE MARKEL REQUESTS THAT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MOTION.
WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND SECOND AND MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT.
YOU GUYS, PLEASE ASK TO MOVE IT TO THE APRIL, APRIL 5TH BOARD MEETING OFFSET YOUR FRIDAY.
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I'LL ACCEPT YOUR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.WELL, I ACTUALLY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY, MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT.
SO IF WE DECLINE THE DEFERRAL, WE HAVE TO VOTE TO APPROVE OR DENY.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE CASES NOT DEFERRED, THE NO ACTION HAD BEEN, WOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN AND ANOTHER MOTION WOULD BE, NEED TO BE MADE IN ORDER TO TAKE ACTION.
SO WE ARE, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DEFER TO APRIL.
IF THAT MOTION FAILS, THEN WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY.
THANK YOU FOR DOING, AND I, SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT ONE LOGISTICAL THING.
WE DO DO THE BA UH, THE BUDGET, THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL.
AND WE TYPICALLY DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT NIGHT.
UM, WE USUALLY HAVE A SECOND MEETING IN APRIL, UM, THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT THE BOARD CAN CHOOSE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AFTER THE BUDGET IF THEY, IF THEY WANT TO.
THANK YOU FOR THAT POINT OF CLARIFICATION AS HUNTER.
MIKE, MIKE MICROPHONE, FEBRUARY MEETING, IF IT WAS ONLY SECOND AND WE ALSO HAVE ON A MARCH 15TH, MARCH EIGHT, 50 DEPUTY REDISTRICTING, TYPICALLY YOU DO HAVE ENOUGH TRYING TO GET TO YOUR SCHEDULE, BUT TYPICALLY YOU ALREADY HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING DATE IN APRIL THAT YOU USE FOR ZONING CASES.
AS MS. HUNTER SAID, YOU TYPICALLY HAVE ONLY THE BUDGET FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT YOUR REGULAR MEETING, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY ZONING CASES.
I HAVEN'T CHECKED YOUR CALENDAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MS. I BELIEVE THERE IS A DATE ESTABLISHED ON THE REGULAR CALENDAR.
IS THAT CORRECT? MRS. GAY, WHICH APRIL 19TH IS THAT IS THE NIGHT IN APRIL THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY HEAR OTHER ZONING CASES BECAUSE THAT EVENING, I BELIEVE WE CONSIDER THAT THE TAX RATES AND WHATNOT, THE FINALIZATION OF THAT.
THAT'S APRIL 5TH, MR. PETERSON, THE SECOND APRIL MEETING IS USUALLY WE MAKE YOUR DECISION.
THERE WAS TWO WEEKS IN BETWEEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE ADOPTION.
WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE FOR THE BUDGET HEARING.
NOW THERE IS A MOTION MADE AND SECONDED FOR APRIL 5TH.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, UNLESS THERE'S AN AMENDMENT MADE TO THAT MOTION.
THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS THIS, THIS WAS GOING ORIGINALLY GOING TO COME OUT TO JANUARY, IN FAIRNESS TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED, WE'RE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO GO OUT TO APRIL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE APPLICANT FEELS ABOUT IT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DEFER THIS, THOUGH, THERE HAS TO BE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT ON ALL SIDES TO SIT DOWN AND COME TO REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS ON, ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, WE WERE CALLED TO A MEETING SATURDAY THAT NOBODY SHOWED UP TO AND WE THOUGHT WE WERE MEETING WITH EVERYBODY.
SO I, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, I WANT EVERYBODY INVOLVED AND I WANT TO, I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY TALKING SO THAT IT'S FAIR TO EVERYBODY CONCERNED FOR YOU, MR. SHARP PETERSON, MR. CHAIR.
UM, TYPICALLY, UM, WHEN WE'VE CONSIDERED DIFFERING IT'S SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A BETTER DECISION BASED ON ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, AS OPPOSED TO MAKING THE SAME DECISION BASED ON THE SAME INFORMATION.
SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT NEW INFORMATION WE THINK WE MIGHT HAVE IF WE DEFER IT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A BETTER DECISION.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT.
WHAT I'VE HEARD THIS EVENING IS WE'VE HAD ONE OF THE APPLICANTS HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY.
WE'VE HAD OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE TRYING TO BE ON THE PHONE THAT HAVE HAD, UM, FOLKS PASS AWAY.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AND BOTH SIDES SEEM TO SAY THEY WANT TO GET TOGETHER, BUT THEY CAN'T SEEM TO GET TOGETHER.
UM, I GUESS I JUST KIND OF FEEL LIKE THIS ISN'T READY FOR PRIME TIME, AND I'M NOT SAYING AGAIN, WHOSE FAULT IT IS OR, OR WHAT NOT.
IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE BEST CASES COMING BEFORE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISION WOULD BE GOOD.
WHEN I ASKED THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD TO FIND OUT WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT MIGHT BE, OR IS THAT SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, I KNOW TIME IS MONEY, BUT I JUST WANT TO FIND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
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THAT'S THE, TEAM'S GOING TO HUDDLE.UM, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE FIVE MINUTES? WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS FOR US.
THE APPLICANT CAN CONSIDER WHAT'S GOING ON.
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THANK YOU, MR. ALVAREZ.SO WE ARE, WE HAD ASKED THE APPLICANT A QUESTION ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR DEFERRAL AND JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SEE HOW THAT FITS WITH THINGS.
THANK YOU, NATALIE CROPPED AGAIN.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND THE DEFERRAL.
WE THINK WE CAN GET THINGS WORKED OUT A LOT QUICKER THOUGH, WHEN WE WOULD MUCH PREFER A 30 DAY DEFERRAL WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE COULD COME BACK WITH THEM, UM, MEANINGFUL, MEANINGFUL CHANGES OR MEANINGFUL, UH, DISCUSSION HAVING BEEN HELD.
OKAY, SO, SO WHAT W MS. SPAGHETTI, I THINK YOU MIGHT'VE HAD SOME THOUGHTS ON POTENTIAL DATES, OTHER DATES SOONER THAN THE APRIL 5TH.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR MEETING SCHEDULE, YOU STARTED OFF ASKING ABOUT THE MARCH 1ST, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND MS. HUNTER DESCRIBED THAT THERE WERE SIX OTHER CASES, UH, FOR THAT DAY.
YOU DO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY, MARCH 15TH.
IT'S CURRENTLY A SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING ON THE RE-DISTRICTING ORDINANCE AND MAP, BUT YOU ARE SCHEDULED TO BE HERE THAT NIGHT.
UH, THOSE ARE THE TWO DATES PRIOR TO THE APRIL 5TH DATE THAT IS CURRENTLY A SUBJECT OF THE MOTION.
I'M SORRY, YOU GOT ANOTHER ONE ANYMORE.
YOU HAVE ANOTHER, ANOTHER HEARING IN MARCH, RIGHT? DIFFERENT PROPERTIES BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER ALREADY IN MARCH.
WHAT WOULD IT DO IF YOU BUMPED THAT BACK 30 DAYS AND THEN TOOK THIS FOR THAT SLOT? I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE PREPARED TO, TO TAKE A DEFERRAL ON A DIFFERENT CASE IN ORDER TO MOVE ANOTHER ONE UP.
UM, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS, GROUPS OF FEMALE.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT, I APPRECIATE THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE SUNRISE OUTSIDE OF THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING ON MARCH 3RD.
I WANT TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION ON THIS MARCH 15TH.
SO MARCH 8TH, WE HAVE A BUDGET SESSION FROM YES, FOR TWO TO FIVE IS WHAT'S ON OUR CALENDAR RIGHT NOW.
WE ALSO HAVE A WORKSHOP FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD ALL MORNING.
THAT'S WHY, SO IT WILL BE A 24 HOUR DAY.
SO, I MEAN, I WOULD RECOMMEND, I KNOW THAT THE F THE 15TH, WE HAVE THE REDISTRICTING KNOCK ON WOOD SO FAR, THE REDISTRICTING HAS GONE VERY WELL.
UM, AND MS. MCGEE DOES A GREAT JOB PRESENTING IT, AND I, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO THE REDISTRICTING HEARING AND THEN THIS HEARING WITHOUT, UM, AND IT WOULD GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE MORE TIME TO WORK WITH THE CITIZENS ON THIS.
AND ON THE 15TH, WE DO HAVE A CIP WORK SESSION FROM TWO TO FIVE, CORRECT? YES.
SO WE'LL BE HERE FOR TWO O'CLOCK AND THEN THEY REDISTRICTING AT SIX.
SO THEN, UM, OKAY, SO, UM, WHAT DID I SAY? APRIL 19TH.
SO YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THAT MENDED TO APRIL 15TH.
I'M IN MARCH 15TH, MARCH 15TH, MARCH 15TH, AN AGREEMENT FROM BOTH THE MOVEMENT AND THE SECOND CHANGE, THE PENDING MOTION YOU ACCEPTED, ACCEPTED.
I APPRECIATE THAT CONSIDERATION.
AND THAT IS PREDICATED ON EVERYONE'S GOOD FAITH EFFORTS.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, WE ARE VOTING TO DEFER THIS CASE UNTIL OUR MEETING ON MARCH 15TH
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AT FOR OUR SIX O'CLOCK PUBLIC HEARINGS.SO TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE CONTINUING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE'LL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ROLL CALL VOTE.
MR. SPOON, OUR MOTION CARRIES.
AND I THINK IT'S OUR REP FOR OUR LAST CASE WITH YOU AGAIN TOMORROW.
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WELL, I WAS EASY, BUT NOT THE OTHER WAY THERE, BUT WE'RE CLOSE WITH EVERYWHERE.MR. CASH AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I AM RAY CASH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS CASE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS REDSUN, UM, COMPANIES INCORPORATED, UH, IT'S REZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL, A ONE AND BUSINESS, UH, GENERAL TWO BUSINESS GENERAL, B ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS AND 3.51 ACRES.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UH, IN GEORGE'S TAVERN AREA, THE COUNTY, UH, GENERALLY THE SOUTH SOUTHERN AND WESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY ON LONG RIVER ROAD WEST, UH, THE PROPERTY, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE A SPLIT ZONE CURRENTLY, UH, BOTH B ONE AND A ONE, UH, THE SPI ONE AREA DOES SHOW IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS COMMERCIAL AT THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY A ZONE.
I BELIEVE BACK IN 1969, AS YOU SEE HERE, UM, THE CONFERENCE PLAN DOES CALL FOR THIS SAND TO BE COMMERCIAL, UH, PROPERTIES, UH, GENERALLY TO THE NORTH END OVER TO THE WEST.
I MEAN, I'M SORRY TO THE NORTHEAST OR RURAL ENHANCEMENT.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY, UH, AT THE, AT THIS PROPERTY IS GENERALLY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF RIVER ROAD WEST AND HAYDENVILLE FIFE ROAD.
UM, THERE IS A, UH, JASON TO THEM, UM, WHICH WAS A FORMER TRANSMISSION SHOP.
I DON'T, I THINK ANOTHER USE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS THERE.
OTHER, THE BUILDING IS THERE AND PRESENT.
SO SUMMARY, UM, AGAIN, IT IS A ONE A AND B ONE TO BE ONE WITH PROPER CONDITIONS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID BY A VOTE OF, UM, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, UH, BY A THREE TO TWO VOTE BACK IN THEIR MEETING IN DECEMBER.
UH, THIS PLAN OF COURSE, UM, CASE WAS ONE OF THE DAYS, OF COURSE, THAT WAS CANCELED, UM, WITH THE WEATHER THAT WE HAD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, UH, THE PROFFERS, THEY DO PROFFER, A CONCEPTUAL PLAN DEPICTING THE SITE LAYOUT OF THE FRONT AND THE ACCESS.
THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL, UM, SECTION TO THE BACK THAT SHOWS ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THEY LIMIT THE USES TO RETAIL STORE MEDICAL OR PROFESSIONAL OFFICE ON BOTH PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS OF OPERATIONS WOULD ALSO BE LIMITED TO 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM.
UM, THEY HAVE ALSO, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROVIDE ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS AS, UM, FOR THE BUILDING AS WELL AS DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
UH, SO GENERALLY THE FRONT USE, UM, HERE AGAIN, THERE'S A SEPARATE PARCEL HERE.
UM, THAT'S INCLUDED WITHIN THE CASE.
UH, THEY, ONE PORTION IS A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE AS PROPOSED, GENERALLY AT LARGER CONCEPT STORE.
UH, THE REAR USE WOULD BE 1.4 ACRES IF THERE'S NO USER IDENTIFIED.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE PROFFER CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE USE.
THERE IS A 30 FOOT BUFFER REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE THAT'S, UH, GOES ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THERE IS A PLAN THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO ADDRESS BUFFER RESTORATION THAT MAY NEED TO OCCUR, UM, AS THE SITE DEVELOPS.
SO THE RIVER ROAD ACCESS, UM, SERVES THE SITE, UM, HERE IN THE YELLOW ARROWS THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE IS CURRENTLY ACCESS THAT WHERE THE RED ARROW IS THAT SERVES THE TRANSMISSION SHOP.
AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT.
THE PROPERTY IS TOO CLOSE, UM, FOR ANOTHER ACCESS SEPARATELY TO THIS PROPERTY, FROM THAT AS A TRANSMISSION SHOP, THE PROPERTY IS ALSO TOO CLOSE GENERALLY TO THE HAYNESVILLE FIFE, UM, ROAD.
UM, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND THE CONCERNS AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PROPERTY HERE, THERE'S SEVERAL ACCESSES IN THIS AREA.
UM, ALONG RIVER ROAD WEST, THE APPLICANT, UM, IN WORKING WITH VIETNAM SOUGHT AN ACCESS MANAGEMENT EXCEPTION.
UH, PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT EXCEPTION IS THAT THE RED ARROW ACCESS WOULD BE REMOVED AND THAT THERE WOULD BE A SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPED THROUGH
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THIS PROPERTY, UM, THAT WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO BOTH, UM, THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST ALONG THIS AREA.UM, CURRENTLY THE ONE, UH, TO THE, UH, WEST OF LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY, UM, AGRICULTURAL, BUT THE CONFERENCE PLAN DOES CALL FOR IT TO BE COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO ANY FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THESE SAME CONDITIONS AS FAR AS ACCESS, UM, THROUGH V DOT'S APPROVAL PROCESS.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED, THERE IS, UM, UH, THERE WAS A CONCERN TO BEGIN WITH THE FIRST LAYOUT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS, UM, SAFE ACCESS ON THE SITE FOR FIRE AND LARGE TRUCKS.
UH, THERE HAS, WE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED A PLAN THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT CAPABILITY.
UM, THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PROFFERED WITH THIS DO CALL FOR A BRICK AND CEMENTITIOUS MATERIALS, UH, TO BE USED ON, OFF THE SIDES.
THEY HAVE A, AGAIN AT A PROVIDE ELEVATIONS THAT DEMONSTRATE THAT CONCEPT.
AND OF COURSE WE'VE HAD, UM, UH, PROVISION FOR BASICALLY A MASONRY ENCLOSURE, UM, FOR THE DUMPSTER, AS WELL AS THE SCREENING FOR THE DUMPSTER.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD WAY BACK IN AUGUST OF 2021.
UH, THERE WAS, UH, TOPICS DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME WHERE A SITE DISTANCES, CONGESTION OF TRAFFIC SPEED LIMITS, TURN LANE POTENTIAL, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT WATER RUNOFF AND RESIDUAL WASTE ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
UM, WHAT WAS THE PLAN TO USE FOR THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AND THEN SIZE AND LAYOUT OF THE STORE ITEMS HOURS OF OPERATION.
SO IN THE CITIZEN COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SPEED BEING TOO HIGH ON RIVER ROAD, WEST IN THE AREA, THE GENERAL NUMBER OF INTERSECTIONS, UH, KHALEED, THE D UH, DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, SEVERAL ACCESSES, UM, AND YOU HAVE, UH, CURTIS ROAD ROAD THAT COMES UP INTO THE AREA AS WELL, DISSONANCE BETWEEN THERE AND, UM, HAYNESVILLE FIFE ROAD ALONG RIVER ROAD, WEST ABOUT 470 FEET.
UM, THE REAR SIGHT NOT HAVE ANYTHING PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.
THERE WAS CONCERN AT THE TIME OF, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHAT EXACTLY THAT USE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY HOW THAT, UM, PROXIMITY OF THAT ACCESS, UM, TO HAYDEN PHILLIP FIFE ROAD, IF WHERE YOU LOOKING AT ANOTHER ACCESS, UM, CONCERN JUST LIKE THERE IS A LONG RIVER ROAD WEST, UM, THERE, IT WAS RECOGNIZED AS A FOOD DESERT, UM, USED, DID NOT APPEAR TO MEET COMMUNITY NEEDS.
THERE WAS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL ATTRACTION OF CRIME TO THE AREA, UM, FROM THE BUSINESSES AND THEN, UM, POTENTIAL IMPACT ON EXISTING BUSINESSES.
CHEMO TO PLANNING IMPLICATIONS IS REALLY RELATED TO RIVER ROAD ROAD LESS.
UM, THE ONGOING SPEED AND SAFETY CONCERNS.
THERE WAS A RECENT BEAT OUT SPEED STUDY.
UM, THAT DOCUMENTED THERE IS A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF THE SPEEDING BEYOND THE POSTED 55 MILE PER HOUR LIMITS.
UM, SINUS CHANGES WERE RECOMMENDED AND IMPLEMENTED, BUT THERE WAS NO PROPOSAL TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT IN THE AREA, UM, OR RECOMMENDATION FROM BDR TO DO SO.
UM, JUST LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE IS CONCERN, THERE ARE A LOT OF ACCESSES WITHIN THIS, UM, THIS AREA.
SO THERE COULD BE A CONCERN FOR A HAZARD, UM, OF POTENTIAL TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS.
UM, THE DOLLAR GENERAL ENTRANCE DOES NOT ALIGN SPECIFIC, UH, DIRECTLY WITH THE ACCESS ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, SO THERE COULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT CONFLICTING TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS.
UM, AGAIN, THE ACCESS INTO THE DONNER CHILDREN ON SITE HAS RECEIVED A, A V THAT ACCESS MANAGEMENT EXCEPTION.
SO WE'D HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED TO THOSE STANDARDS, UM, SHOULD IT CON SHOULD IT NOT BE ABLE TO DEVELOP WITH, TO THE STANDARDS? UM, THEN OF COURSE THE SITE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED, UM, THEN THE CONCERN SUDDENLY FUTURE ACCESS POINT FOR THE HAYDEN FIVE ROAD FRONTAGE.
SO PROPER CONDITIONS, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT REALLY FOCUSES ON THE PRIMARY FRONT USE, WHICH THE DOLLAR GENERAL USE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY, BUT THEY HAVE, UM, PROFFERED THE MATERIALS AND A GENERAL, UM, UH, EXHIBIT OF ELEVATIONS FOR THE DOLLAR GENERAL STORE HOURS OF OPERATION.
ANY BUSINESS, UM, HAS BEEN, CAN BE CONDUCTED ON THE PROPERTY, ONLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BETWEEN HOURS OF AIDEN, 8:00 AM AND 10:00 PM.
AND THE USE RESTRICTION AGAIN, THAT APPLIES TO THE COMPLETE PROPERTY, BOTH THE FRONT PORTION WITH DOLLAR GENERAL AND THE REAR IS THAT IT HAS TO BE A RETAIL STORE, OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, OR OFFICE MEDICAL.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, AND STAFF OF COURSE IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. CASH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE HEAR FROM NAPKIN? ALL RIGHT, GREAT.
YOU HAVE TO GET HIM TO COME FORWARD.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD.
I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, RATS AND COMPANIES.
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FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND TIME TONIGHT.I KNOW THIS IS A LONG MEETING FOR YOU, SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS PRETTY BRIEF.
UH, SO, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR MR. PRESENTATION, THAT SUMS UP A GOOD DEAL OF WHAT I'M WANTING TO SAY.
ANYWAY, I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT NUMBER ONE FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY AND A REGION OF THE COUNTY THAT IS UNDERSERVED BY A NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL, SUCH AS WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE.
UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WAS RECOGNIZED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
OF COURSE, ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HELP WITH OFFSETTING THE NEED FOR INCREASED RESIDENTIAL TAX RATES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY.
UM, PROVIDING ADDITIONAL JOBS, PROVIDING A BOOST TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY IS ALL SOMETHING THAT'S PRESENT WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
WE'LL INVEST OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN THIS SITE.
WE TRY TO USE LOCAL CONTRACTORS WHEREVER POSSIBLE.
AND, UH, IN ADDITION, THE TYPE OF STORE THAT'S PROPOSED HERE, DOLLAR GENERAL RETAIL STORE IS ONE THAT'S SET UP SO THAT IT'S REALLY DESIGNED FOR A MORE LOCALIZED NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT FOLKS CAN EASILY GET TO A REGULAR EVERYDAY ITEMS. THEY NEED AFFORDABLE COST WITHOUT HAVING TO TRAVEL FAR DISTANCES ACROSS COUNTY OR OUTSIDE THE COUNTY TO GET THEM.
UM, SO THIS IS THE TYPE OF PLACE THAT'S REALLY SET UP, SO THAT IF SAY YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY TO WORK OR YOUR WAY TO TAKE YOUR KIDS TO SOCCER PRACTICE OR WHATEVER, AND YOU REALIZE, OH, I FORGOT SOMETHING THAT I WAS GOING TO GET DOWN IN GOOCHLAND COURTHOUSE OR SHORT PUMPER, SOME OTHER PLACE WITH A LITTLE MORE COMMERCIAL AREA.
YOU CAN MAYBE JUST RUN BY AND GRAB THAT QUARTER MILK, OR YOU CAN GRAB THOSE SCHOOL SUPPLIES OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCEPT AND WHAT WE HOPE TO OFFER NOW IN TERMS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BEING A GUIDE, IT'S VERY MUCH A GUIDEPOST, BOTH FOR CITIZENS AND WHAT THEY SHOULD EXPECT THE COUNTY WANTS, UM, AND HAS, UH, HEARD THAT THE CITIZENS THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF ADOPTING THE COMP PLAN, UM, WHAT, WHAT THE COUNTY NEEDS, AND IT'S ALSO A GUIDE FOR DEVELOPERS TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT YOU TO CONSTRUCT.
AND, UH, THE DEVELOPER HERE AND DOLLAR GENERAL HAVE TAKEN THAT TO HEART AND HAVE REALLY FOLLOWED THE GUIDANCE.
THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY SPLIT ZONE FOR BUSINESS.
AND THE COMP PLAN SAYS THIS SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL.
UM, THERE'S JUST TWO PLACES IN THE WESTERN AREA OF THE COUNTY WHERE COMMERCIAL'S RECOMMENDED, AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM.
UM, NOW OF COURSE, EVERY DEVELOPMENT HAS SOME IMPACTS AND MR. CASH WENT THROUGH THE PROPER CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE PUT FORWARD TO ADDRESS THOSE IMPACTS WHEN A FOCUS ON TRAFFIC JUST FOR A SECOND, CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO COME UP AGAIN.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC, WE DID SOMETHING PRETTY UNUSUAL HERE IN THAT RATHER THAN GOING AND TRYING TO GET ZONING APPROVAL FIRST AND THEN GOING TO THE VITA FOR AN ACCESS MANAGEMENT WAIVER AND FOR ACCESS APPROVAL, UH, WHICH WOULDN'T BE THE NORMAL PROCESS, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE WENT AHEAD AND WENT TO VIETNAM FIRST VIA CONSIDERED ALL THE VARIOUS SAFETY ASPECTS THAT THEY CONSIDER THE LOCATION OF OUR PROPOSED ACCESS IN RELATION TO EXISTING ACCESS IS ROAD GEOMETRY.
AND WITH THE SPEED LIMIT, ET CETERA, UH, PROJECTED TRAFFIC COUNTS, EXISTING TRAFFIC COUNTS, AND THROUGHOUT ALL OF THAT CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS ACCESS WAS, IT WAS SAFE ENOUGH TO APPROVE AND TO GRANT EVEN, UH, UH, UH, AN EXCEPTION FOR, UH, SUBJECT TO SOME CONDITIONS, WHICH BY THE WAY, I SHOULD POINT OUT ARE GOING TO HELP REDUCE THE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL ACCESSES THAT COULD GO ON THIS STRETCH OF ROAD, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED.
IF THIS CASE IS APPROVED, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CLOSE THE ACCESS TO THE EAST OF US ON THE CORNER OF HAYDENVILLE FIVE AND RIVER ROAD, AND THEN WE'D BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE CROSS ACCESS SO THAT THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST, WHICH IS ALSO PLANNED FOR COMMERCIAL, IF IT EVER DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL WOULD HAVE, UH, TO ACCESS THROUGH OUR ENTRANCE.
SO THAT'S, IT'S REDUCING THE NUMBER OF ACCESSES, UM, WHICH IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC SAFETY IN THIS AREA.
UH, WE ALSO DID ASK VIETNAM TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT REDUCING THE SPEED.
AND, UH, ON THIS ROAD, THEY HAD ALREADY DONE A STUDY IN 2019, AND THEY CONCLUDED THAT THE SPEED LIMIT CURRENT SPEED LIMIT OF 50 MILES, FIVE MILES PER HOUR, WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS ROAD.
AND THEY FOUND THAT THE NUMBER OF CRASHES WAS ACTUALLY LOWER THAN THE AVERAGE FOR THAT SECTION OF ROAD.
UM, BUT WE ASKED THEM AGAIN, BECAUSE WE HAD HEARD SO MUCH FROM CITIZENS WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPEED AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A RESPONSE YET FOR VEIT OUT ON THAT, BUT WE WOULD SUPPORT ANY SPEED LIMIT REDUCTION.
AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO JUST RESERVE THE REST OF MY TIME
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FOR QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, OR ANY REBUTTAL LATER ON.AND, UH, WHAT IS YOUR SUPPORT, THE CASE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? I'M STILL OKAY.
AND SO IN OUR, IN A SUMMARY OF INFORMATION ON PAGE TWO TO 29 OF OUR PACKET, IT SAYS AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, THEY BEAT OUT ACCESS MANAGEMENT.
EXCEPTION HAS BEEN GRANTED SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
HAVE YOU DESCRIBED ALL OF THE CONDITIONS TO US? YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA CALL ON A FRIEND AND ASK HER PROJECT ENGINEER JUST IN CASE I'VE MISSED ANY, THIS HAS SET THAT PERSON FROM SUMMIT DESIGN.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE NOT MISSED ANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT PERSON SUMMIT ENGINEERING, UM, WITH THE DISCUSSIONS WITH VEDA, THE CONDITIONS THEY HAD WERE WHAT WE SHOWING ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH IS ACROSS THE EXCESS TO THE WEST AND ACROSS ACCESS TO THE EAST.
THEY ALSO REQUIRED EVEN FURTHER EVALUATION, WHICH WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY, LOOKING AT TRAFFIC COUNTS SITE DISTANCE, TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU'RE PULLING OUT OF THE ENTRANCE, YOU HAVE THE APPROPRIATE LINE OF SIGHT.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE CARS ONCOMING AND, UM, WENT THROUGH ALL THE TRAFFIC.
THOSE WERE THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY LOOKED AT.
SO THE TRAFFIC COUNT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, UM, DOES THAT THE DATA THAT YOU GAVE THEM, DOES THAT INCLUDE ANY USE ON THE BACK OF PARCEL? OR IS THAT JUST NO, SORRY.
IT WAS JUST THE DOLLAR GENERAL.
THEY, SO THEY WANTED THEIR PRIMARY CONCERNS WERE THE QUEUE LENGTH OF, OF CARS TURNING INTO THE PROPOSED, STILL WORK INTERFERING WITH THE TRAFFIC TURNING ON THE CARTERSVILLE ROAD AND HAYDEN'S WITH FIFE ROAD.
THE ACTUAL KEY LENGTH WAS A CAR IN SOME CASES WAS LESS THAN WHAT CONCERNS ME AS SOMEBODY COMING NORTH ON CARTERSVILLE ROAD, MAKING A RIGHT AND PAUSING TO GO LEFT.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NORTH ON CARTERSVILLE, RIGHT ON SIX LEFT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY SAY IT WAS MODELED BY A TREE IF YOU GO, RIGHT.
AND THEN SOMEBODY, YOU SEE SOMEBODY COMING, THE TRAFFIC GOING EAST ON ROUTE SIX IS WHAT CONCERNS ME IF PEOPLE ARE.
CAUSE IF I KNOW, AND I LOOKED AT THE VITA OR THE DATE OF THE CRASH DATA, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ACCIDENTS AROUND THERE, THEY, THEY, THE ONES THAT THE VOLUME, YOU SAID IT WAS A LOWER NUMBER, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE HAPPENING ARE HAPPENING AT CARTERSVILLE NORTH, WHERE IT TERMINATES INTO ROUTE SIX, THAT'S WHERE IT SEEMED LIKE THE DOTS WERE CLUSTERING.
THAT WAS THE, SO THE V.ENGINEER WE TALKED TO, HE WAS HARLEY JOSEPH BECAUSE ROBERT BUTLER ACTUALLY MOVED TO ANOTHER OFFICE, UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROCESS.
SO HARLEY HIS MAIN CONCERN WAS THAT, THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THAT INTERSECTION, HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC CONCERNS WHERE YOU'D HAVE CARS WAITING AND THEN SOMEONE'S NOT LOOKING.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO SLAM ON BRAKES AND POTENTIAL FOR A COLLISION THERE.
SO WOULD IT BE SAFER IF THE SPEED WAS LOWERED, HEADING AT LEAST HEADING INTO THE VILLAGE, HEADING EAST MOST LIKELY.
THAT'S WHY WE, WE TALKED TO VITO ABOUT LOWERING THAT, BUT YES, SIR, YOU ASKED THEY REFUSE TO LOWER IT.
I HAVEN'T, I ACTUALLY HAVEN'T RECEIVED A RESPONSE TO MY REQUEST, BUT I'LL, I'LL LET MS. LASKA RESPOND.
IF SHE KNOWS SOMETHING WE'RE NOT DOING.
DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE? WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, THE SITUATION THAT MR. LUMPKIN DESCRIBED, YOU'RE TRAVELING NORTH ON 45.
YOU'RE MAKING A ROUTE, UH, RIGHT ON ROUTE SIX AND THEN A LEFT INTO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, WHEN VEHICLES THAT ARE TRAVELING EAST ON ROUTE SIX, THAT'S OVER THAT HILL, YOU CANNOT SEE THEM.
WELL, ALMOST HALF OF THE STUDY THAT THE SHERIFF DID IN OCTOBER ARE TRAVELING OVER 55 MILES AN HOUR, 55 MILES AN HOUR, AND SUM UP AS FAR AS HIGH AS 80.
ALTHOUGH THAT'S VERY UNUSUAL BETWEEN 55 AND 75 WAS THE AVERAGE OF THE SPEED OF THAT INTERSECTION.
SO, UH, IT IS THE ONLY INTERSECTION, EXCUSE ME.
IT IS THE ONLY RURAL CROSSROADS OR VILLAGE IN THE COUNTY THAT IS NOT 35 OR 45 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A SERIOUS SITUATION IN MY OPINION.
BUT ANYWAY, MR. LOGINS, YOU SAID YOU POINTED OUT WHEN DEVELOP THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL WHEN THAT THAT'S SLATED FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR COMMERCIAL AND YOU, I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT, THAT PARCEL WOULD GET YOU TO BE ABLE TO GO STRAIGHT ACROSS FROM CARTERSVILLE ROAD.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
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WE HAVE TO DO THIS RIGHT AND LEFT.AND WHEN I KNOW I MAKE A RIGHT ON CARTERSVILLE ROAD, AFTER I CLEAR MY LEFT, I WANT TO GET OFF AND GET ON IT AND STEP ON IT.
CAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE LOOKING AND THEN TURNING AND THEN SITTING AND YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, IT IS TRUE, RIGHT? THAT YOU JUST, YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER, YOU COULD GO STRAIGHT ACROSS AND YOU COULD CONNECT THE NEXT PARCEL TO THE WEST IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM CARTERSVILLE ROAD NORTH.
SO IF THIS GETS APPROVED AND YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO THAT NEXT PARCEL, I GUESS, HOW WOULD IT WORK THAT MAYBE WE COULD CLOSE THE PARCEL TO CLOSE THE ENTRANCE TO THE DOLLAR GENERAL AND THEN EVERYBODY USE GOING ACROSS, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE THAT WHOLE INTERSECTION A LOT SAFER.
IN MY, IN MY VIEW, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR VITA CAUSE THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE THEIR DECISION.
BUT SETH, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THEM DOING THAT SORT OF THING? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT THEY, THERE IS, THERE IS A GOAL BY VITA TO MINIMIZE ACCESS IS, YOU KNOW, AND SO, UM, TO THE EXTENT THEY CAN MINIMIZE AN ACCESS AND ALSO CREATE BETTER CROSS ALIGNMENT, I'M SURE THEY WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THAT YOU'RE MEETING THEIR NEEDS ACCORDING TO YOU YOU'RE MEETING THE NEEDS BECAUSE YOU'RE CLOSING THAT ONE ACCESS WITH OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CONSENT AND JOINING OF THAT NEIGHBORING PARCEL, WHICH YES.
Y Y ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE RESTRICTIONS YOU'RE PUTTING ON USES ARE GOING TO REDUCE TRAFFIC, OR RIGHT NOW THE RESTRICTION, THE PROFIT RESTRICTIONS OF THE TYPE OF USES OF THAT BACK PARCEL.
I THINK YOUR CONTENTION IS THAT'S REDUCING TRAFFIC.
BEYOND WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THE FULL PANOPLY OF USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED UNDER WE'RE RESTRICTING IT TO JUST EITHER RETAIL OR OFFICE USE.
I SHOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT AS A PRACTICAL MATTER AT THE REAR OF THAT PROPERTY HAS SOME SEVERE ENVIRONMENTAL LIMITATIONS, UM, THAT WILL MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP INTO MUCH OF ANYTHING ANYWAY.
AND REALLY THE MAIN REASON WE'RE INCLUDING IT WITH THIS CASE IS THAT IF WE WERE TO LEAVE A PIECE OF THIS PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURAL, UM, THE REMAINDER OF WHAT WE DON'T NEED, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE WOULDN'T MEET THE, THE MINIMUM ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS TO BE ABLE TO LEAVE A PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURAL.
SO IN WORKING WITH STAFF, IT WAS DETERMINED.
THEY'D BE BEST TO BRING IT ALL IN AS ONE SITE, AS, AS ONE PROPERTY, I'M SORRY FOR, FOR THE REZONING.
AND OF COURSE, UH, WE'LL SUBDIVIDE, THE PLAN WOULD BE TO SUBDIVIDE TO CREATE THE DOLLAR GENERAL PARCEL AND THEN LEAVE A REMAINING PARCEL.
THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL OR MAKES ME THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING, RIGHT.
RELATIVE TO ALL THE THINGS YOU COULD DO, RETAIL JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO BE LOW, A LOW TRAFFIC PIECE TO ME, BUT, BUT RELATIVE TO ALL THE OTHER THINGS YOU COULD DO, YOUR ARGUMENT IS IT IS, AND OFTEN IT SEEMS LIKE OFFICE WOULD BE LESS TRAFFIC THAN RETAIL, BUT YES, I BELIEVE SO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUTCHISON? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
Y'ALL HEARD ME ALL NIGHT LONG, SO YOU KNOW THE RULES.
I LIVE AT 2356 HAYDENVILLE FIFE ROAD.
UH, MY PROPERTY, EXCUSE ME, JOINS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
UM, I DO OPPOSE THE REQUEST TO RE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY FOR TWO REASONS.
UM, FIRST I DON'T THINK IT'S NEEDED.
UM, THERE'S ALREADY $3 GENERAL STORES EITHER ALREADY NEARBY OR PROPOSED NEAR THIS GUM SPRING FORK, UNION, AND ANOTHER NEAR HAYDENVILLE.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A FAMILY DOLLAR IN A FOOD LINE, NINE MILES AWAY FROM THIS LOCATION.
UM, THE FOOD DESERT WAS MENTIONED, UM, TECHNICALLY PER THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
THE FOOD DESERT IN THE RURAL AREAS IS 10 MILES FROM A GROCERY STORE.
SO SINCE THIS IS NINE MILES FROM A GROCERY STORE, A HUGE PORTION OF THIS IS NOT CONSIDERED TECHNICALLY IN A FOOD DESERT, LESS CONVENIENT, BUT TECHNICALLY IN A FOOD DESERT.
UM, THERE'S ALSO NUMEROUS COUNTRY STORES, CONVENIENCE STORES, ET CETERA, WITHIN EIGHT TO 10 MILES OF THIS LOCATION THAT OFFER, UH, MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED, BREAD, MILK, UH, CANNED GOODS, CEREAL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, NOT A LOT OF FRESH PRODUCE ADMITTEDLY.
UM, SO I JUST DON'T THINK THE ADDITION OF A CORPORATE DISCOUNT RETAIL STORE IS REALLY NECESSARY IN THIS PORTION OF THE COUNTY AT THIS TIME.
UH, SECOND AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO ME, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT WANTED.
UM, THE WESTERN PART OF OUR COUNTY IS NOT A PLACE WHERE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TYPE IS REALLY DESIRED BY ITS RESIDENTS AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED LARGE PORTIONS OF THEIR LIVES
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HERE.AND THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO MOVE HERE, UH, ARE NOT DOING SO BECAUSE THEY DESIRE A DOLLAR GENERAL TO BE PLACED NEXT DOOR TO THEM.
UH, WHAT WE DO DESIRE AND CHERISH IS THE CURRENT IDYLLIC SETTING IN WHICH WE LIVE, UH, PLACING A DOLLAR GENERAL DISLOCATION WOULD NOT SIGNIFICANTLY POSITIVELY IMPACT THE AREA IN ANY WAY.
I WOULD ONLY BRING POTENTIAL NEGATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AT SOME LENGTH TO THIS POINT, UM, REGARDING TRAFFIC SAFETY, UH, POTENTIAL CRIME AND LITTER AS WELL.
UH, IN ADDITION, PLACING THIS TYPE OF STORE WITH THOSE POTENTIAL IMPACTS AT A LOCATION THAT DIRECTLY BORDERS TO CURRENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES SEEMS SLIGHTLY ILLOGICAL WHEN COMPARED TO ANY OTHER REASONABLE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND I DOUBT THAT ANYBODY UP THERE WOULD WANT TO BE IN MY POSITION TO HAVE ONE OF THESE PROPOSED BE BUILT NEXT DOOR TO THEM.
UM, SO IN CONCLUSION, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT EACH OF YOU THINK THIS EVENING, UM, WHO YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO IN THIS PROCESS, THE PEOPLE HAVE COME AND SPOKEN AGAINST THIS IN TWO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS SINCE THAT NIGHT, UM, THAT HAVE VOICED THEIR OPPOSITION.
THE FACT THAT NOBODY HAS COME TO VOICE THEIR AD ADVOCACY FOR THIS OTHER THAN A LAWYER FROM CHESTERFIELD, A DEVELOPER FROM NORTH CAROLINA ON BEHALF OF A CORPORATION FROM TENNESSEE, I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SERVICE.
MY ADDRESS IS 52 60 RIVER ROAD WEST.
I MEAN, AS, UH, MS. SUZANNE AND MR. JOANNE SAID, MY CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC MORE ACCIDENTS.
AND I MEAN, LIKE HE SAID, WE ALREADY HAVE A FATAL TO OUR DOLLAR STORE NEARBY.
SO THEY GET THAT PROPERTY CAN BE USED, SOMETHING YOU BETTER USE FOR THE OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ANOTHER RETAILER THERE.
SO I HAVE A MORE THAN 40 RESIDENTS WHO SIGNED PETERSON, SO I CAN PLACE INTO YOU.
WELL, SUPERVISORS, UM, I'M RANDALL PARISH, 7 9 3 3 BLUEBERRY HILL COURT IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA.
AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY.
I GREW UP 300 YARDS WEST OF IT.
UM, I'M CURRENTLY THE OWNER OF IT AND NO ONE KNOWS IT BETTER THAN I DID.
AND NO ONE KNOWS THAT HIGHWAY BETTER THAN I DO EITHER.
UM, AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY YOU WERE SAYING THAT IF YOU COME OUT OF HINSDALE FIFE ROAD, YOU TAKE A RIGHT.
IF YOU GO ON TOTALLY THAT, BUT THEN YOU WOULD TAKE JUST ANOTHER RIGHT TO GET INTO THE DOLLAR GENERAL STORE.
SO THAT REALLY MOVES THE, I MEAN, THE EXITS THAT THERE IS JUST MOVING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN SO THAT WHEN YOU COME AROUND THAT CURVE, SO YOU GOT A BETTER VISIBILITY AND THEY DO NEED TO LOWER THAT SPEED LIMIT IN THAT AREA.
MY FATHER, HE WAS TURNING INTO THE OTHER CONVENIENCE STORE THERE.
SO I HAVE SPECIAL INTEREST IN THAT, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND WHERE HE'S COMING FROM, THEIR TWO STORES THERE.
BUT THEY'RE EXACTLY THAT THEY'RE CONVENIENCE STORES PEOPLE 3 30, 200 CARS.
I GO BY THERE EVERY DAY AND THEY'RE GETTING GAS, THEY'RE GETTING A MUFFIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY DON'T SELL PETROLEUM PRODUCTS LIKE DIESEL FUEL.
THEY ARE THERE TO SERVICE THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY CERTAINLY DOES NEED IT.
AND AS FAR AS BEING CLOSE TO SOMEBODY IT'S BUFFERED, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THAT PROPERTY AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN SIGHT OF ANYONE ANYONE'S HOUSE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR ANYTHING.
AND I THINK DOLLAR GENERAL HAS SHOWN THEIR FINE RESPECTABLE BUSINESS.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE ANY CRIME COMING OUT OF THERE.
I THINK WE'D SEE THE CRIME COMING MORE OUT OF THE CONVENIENCE STORES.
MY NAME'S RUDY GOODMAN, 1528 DIGGS TOWN ROAD.
AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT ONE THING AS A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, Y'ALL GOT A TOUGH JOB.
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DID Y'ALL NOT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS MEET IDEAS, LET THEM DECIDE WHAT'S RIGHT AND WRONG.PUT THE STOOL THERE, LET THEM DO ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY.
THAT'S THE WAY TO GET EVERYBODY WHAT THEY WANT.
SECOND OF ALL, THERE'S A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE SHOOT THREE MILES FROM MY HOUSE.
I GOT CONVENIENCE STORES, NEARBY FRIENDS, MINE OWNER.
AIN'T GONNA HURT HIM FOR HIS CRIME.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT CRIME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHO'S TALKING ABOUT AT DOLLAR GENERAL, BRINGING CRIME IF IT'S CRIME, BUT THERE IS CRIME ALREADY GOING TO BE THERE.
THE DOLLAR STORE AIN'T GONNA BRING.
THESE ARE NEIGHBORS WERE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BRING CRIME? CAUSE YOU BRING A DOLLAR STORE IT'S ON HER UP.
SO I SAY, WE GO WITH IT GOING TO PROVE IT.
YOU DON'T NEED TO DEFER TO NOTHING ELSE.
YOU'VE GOT TOO MUCH TO FERRET ALREADY MOVED TO MOVE TO APPROVE.
AS YOU CAN TELL BY MY PACE UP HERE.
UM, I LIVE AT 3, 2, 3, 4 LIBRARY ROAD IN DISTRICT ONE.
I'M A COME HERE IN FLIGHT FROM FREEWAY SIRENS, VISUAL POLLUTION, OVER CROWDED NEIGHBORHOODS TO CLOSE TO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.
I HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED MY OPPOSITION TO ANY DOLLAR STORE AT THE PROPOSED LOCATION BY WRITING TO MY SUPERVISOR AND THEN A LETTER TO THE GOOCHLAND CAUSE THAT GIVEN OUR POPULATION OF THE COUNTY OF SOME 20,000 RESIDENTS, OUR COUNTY IS ALREADY WELL SUPPLIED BY $3 STORES.
ANOTHER AT THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS LIKELY TO ATTRACT PRIMARILY THOSE LIVING IN COLUMBIA AND IN ADJACENT COUNTIES ACROSS THE RIVER.
ADDITIONALLY BUSINESSES AT THE INTERSECTION WILL BE ECONOMICALLY IMPACTED BY AN ENTITY THAT COMPETES WITH THEM IN SEVERAL WAYS.
HILLTOP, DIESEL, AND AUTO, AS WELL AS THE CONVENIENCE MARKETS AT THE EXXON AND CITGO STATIONS ALREADY CARRY.
MANY OF THE SORTS OF ITEMS CARRIED TO DOLLAR STORES.
THERE'S NO NEED FOR ANOTHER DOLLAR STORE AT THIS LOCATION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ZONING AT THE SITE ALLOWS A BUSINESS.
THE THREE LOCALLY MANAGED BUSINESSES HAVE IMPROVED THE APPEARANCE OF THIS INTERSECTION AND OUR ASSETS TO THE COMMUNITY.
I URGE YOU TO DENY THE APPLICATION OF A DOLLAR STORE AT THIS LOCATION.
AND AT THIS TIME, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ADDRESSING ANY CONCERNS THAT HE HEARD, I'LL JUST SAY A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, I THINK MOST PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT IF THEY'RE OPPOSED TO THIS PROPOSAL, IT'S BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY NEEDS THIS TYPE OF USE.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT IT IS NEEDED.
UM, THEY'VE STATED THAT AS WELL NOW, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THAT IT IS NEEDED AND THIS COUNTY HAS INDICATED TO ITS CITIZENS AND DEVELOPERS THAT THIS IS A PLACE WHERE BUSINESSES SHOULD GO.
I UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE HEARING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM A FEW TONIGHT.
UM, BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS DEVELOPED THROUGHOUT WAY MORE PUBLIC INPUT THAN WE'VE HAD HERE TONIGHT.
UM, AGAIN, THERE'S ONLY TWO PLACES IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY WHERE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS RECOMMENDED.
I UNDERSTAND THIS LAST GLITZ POINT IS A GOOD ONE ABOUT THIS BEAM, THE ONLY VILLAGE WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT, ISN'T 35.
I THINK YOU'D BE A GREAT IDEA FOR YOU TO REDUCE IT TO 35, BUT UNFORTUNATELY NONE OF US ARE .
SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS KEEP ASKING, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING WE CAN, I THINK HAVE COMFORT IN THOUGH, IS THAT THIS COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
UH, IT DOES RELY ON V DOT V DOT HAS ALREADY LOOKED AT THIS VERY CLOSELY AND SAID, THIS ACCESS IS, IS APPROPRIATE.
IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY, AND WE'RE GONNA IMPOSE CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IF FOR SOME REASON YOU CAN'T MEET THOSE CONDITIONS AND MAKE IT SAFE THAT YOU CAN'T GET THE DEVELOPMENT DONE.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I NEED TO REMIND YOU OF THIS, BUT I GUESS I SHOULD STATE
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IT FOR THE RECORD FOR ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT TRYING TO PROTECT LOCAL BUSINESSES FROM COMPETITION.THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE VIRGINIA SUPREME COURT RULED ON YEARS AGO.
IT'S REALLY NOT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF A LOCAL ZONING AUTHORITY TO TRY TO PROTECT AN EXISTING BUSINESS THROUGH A ZONING CASE, UH, WITH ALL OF THAT.
I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
I KNOW THIS IS DIFFICULT CASE FOR YOU, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND URGE YOUR SUPPORT.
CAN I JUST CLARIFY, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS ARE MISUNDERSTOOD AND THAT IS THE GOODSON COUNTY HAS ALWAYS HAD TRANSPORTATION OR HAS HAD FOR MANY YEARS, UH, FOLKS WHO DEAL IN TRANSPORTATION TO MAKE TRANSPORTATION DECISIONS.
UM, SO IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DEPARTMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD STAFF THAT HANDLED TRANSPORTATION.
I MEAN, TO MISCHARACTERIZE THAT, UH, I THINK I WAS MOSTLY COMPARING IT TO SAY HENRICO AND CHESTERFIELD WHERE MAYBE THERE ARE MORE STAFF, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE'RE WAY BETTER THAN THAT.
WELL, MS. MCGEE, YOU'VE TURNED YOUR BACK ON YOUR OLD LOCALITY, JESS DIGEST.
SO, UM, IN REVIEWING THIS CASE AND THEN TALKING TO THE CITIZENS AND TALKING TO STAFF ABOUT IT, UM, I DID MAKE SOME NOTES FOR MYSELF AND LISTEN TO, WHAT'S BEEN SAID TONIGHT.
AND WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT STAFF IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, INCLUDING MYSELF HAVE ONGOING SAFETY CONCERNS REGARDING THIS INTERSECTION RIVER ROAD, WEST 45, HAYNESVILLE FIVE ROAD, ROUTE SIX.
WE DID ASK, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT THAT WE'VE ASKED DOT FOR STUDY AND WHAT THEY CAME BACK WITH IS WE'LL PUT SOME SIGNS UP.
UH, DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT REDUCING THE SPEED.
AND THEY, UH, I EVEN WENT BACK TO THEM IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND ASKED THEM TO RECONSIDER.
AND THEY SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER IT.
UM, SO TO ME, SAFETY CONCERNS DO REMAIN FOR THIS AREA, UH, INCLUDING BOTH THE SPEED LIMIT AND THE MULTIPLE ACCESSES IN THE AREA.
AND BOTH OF THE OTHER LOCAL BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA HAVE MORE THAN ONE ENTRANCE EXIT FROM THE BUSINESS.
THE ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU CAN ENTER AND EXIT OFF ROUTE 45 ON CARTERSVILLE ROAD.
ALSO ON ROUTE SIX, THE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE YOU CAN ENTER OR EXIT FROM ROUTE SIX AND ALSO HAYESVILLE FIVE ROAD.
I LIKE TO FREQUENT THESE BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY'RE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE LOCAL.
I LIKE TO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I'VE GONE INTO THESE PARKING LOTS AND PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
SO THERE'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS.
YOU JUST HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION THERE.
UM, IN THAT AREA, WE HAVE SCHOOL BUS STOP.
WE HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE MULTIPLE ROADS COMING IN.
UH, WE EVEN HAVE A PROPANE DISTRIBUTOR RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES GOING ON IN THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION.
AND THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THE ENTRANCE TO THIS PROPOSED, UH, BUSINESS DOES NOT MEET THE ACCESS REQUIREMENTS, AS WE'VE SAID, AND THEY HAD TO RECEIVE A V DOT EXCEPTION FOR THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE.
IT DOESN'T ALIGN, THE ENTRANCE DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THAT'S JUST, THAT IS ANOTHER ISSUE WHEN YOU WERE STARTING TO GET TO THAT.
I THINK A LITTLE BIT, MR. LUMPKINS, WHICH MAY CAUSE SOME CONFLICTING, UH, TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS, UH, THE DISTANCE FROM HAYESVILLE FIVE ROAD, 2 45 CARTERSVILLE ROAD IS ONLY ABOUT 470 FEET.
THERE'S JUST IN MULTIPLE ACCESSES THROUGH THERE.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM AND NOT ALLOW ROOM FOR ERROR.
UM, IN ADDITION, AS I'VE MENTIONED, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE V.STUDY, UM, THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE DID A STUDY IN OCTOBER OF THIS LAST YEAR AND THEY FOUND ALMOST HALF OF THE DRIVERS THROUGH THAT AREA WERE GOING OVER 55 MILES AN HOUR.
SO PUTTING UP SIGNS IS EVERYONE KNOWS DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SLOW DOWN.
IT'S THE LONG, IF THEY GET CAUGHT, THEY'LL GET A TICKET, UH, OR MAYBE EVEN WORSE HAVE AN ACCIDENT.
BUT THAT'S THE FACTS OF THE MATTER TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE IS MORE THAN 55 MILES AN HOUR ON AVERAGE, THE O IN ADDITION TO THE SAFETY AND THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, UM, THE PROPOSAL TO REZONE THAT ADDITIONAL SECTION, UH,
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WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN ANY CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO ADDRESS, UH, THAT REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.UM, IT DOES NOT ADDRESS WHERE THE ACCESS ROAD WILL BE FOR THAT, UH, PRESUMABLY OFF OF HAYDENVILLE FIVE ROAD, WHICH IS A COLLECTOR ROAD.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
SO WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE USE OF THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, ALTHOUGH IT IS LIMITED TO RETAIL MEDICAL OFFICE.
SO, SO THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE WITH THE PROPERTY.
AND IT REALLY ALL REVOLVES AROUND THAT AREA.
BEING VERY DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE ON A GOOD DAY WITHOUT PUTTING ANOTHER BUSINESS IN THAT AREA.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE COMMENTS I HAVE.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MEAN, YOU ADDITIONAL CUT ITS WORD, MR. SHARP.
THE JOBS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE ARE THESE, THESE ARE ALL PART-TIME JOBS WITH, WITH RARE EXCEPTION, THE MAJORITY OF THE FORENSIC COPIES, UM, THE MAJORITY OF, I CANNOT SPEAK OPERATIONALLY FOR DOLLAR GENERAL, THEY'RE OUR CLIENT.
UM, BUT TYPICALLY IT IS FOR FULL-TIME JOBS AND WITH SIX TO, WELL, WITH FOUR TO SIX ADDITIONAL PART-TIME JOBS, BUT IT IS AT LEAST FOUR, SOMETIMES SIX, DEPENDING ON VOLUME FULL-TIME JOBS.
UM, AND THIS IS CALLED A GROCERY STORE, BUT THERE'S NO FRESH FOOD.
THERE IS THIS A NEW CONCEPT? YOU GUYS PROBABLY HAVE NOT, THERE'S NOT A STORE LIKE THIS ONE AROUND HERE.
IT'S A BIGGER, LARGER FOOT BRAND WITH FRESH PRODUCE, FRESH GROCERIES.
THERE'S NOT, I DON'T THINK I BUILT MY FIRST ONE IN VIRGINIA, OUT NEAR THE COAST AND FINISHED IT IN MAYBE A MONTH AGO.
SO IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONCEPT FROM WHAT IS, WHAT ANYTHING I'D BUILT IN THIS AREA BEFORE.
SO THEY DO HAVE FRESH PRODUCE, FRESH VEGETABLES, FRESH MEAT, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, YEAH, IT'S ALL SERVICED OUT OF SOUTH BOSTON DISTRIBUTION CENTER BECAUSE I HAD ASKED THAT.
SO DID I YEAH, YOU'RE THE ATTORNEY FOR IT.
AND, AND YOU HAD SAID, YOU SAID, NO, WE HAD TALKED BEFORE AND I SAID THAT THE DOLLAR GENERAL, A CORPORATE MODEL IS TO RESPOND TO WHATEVER THE MARKET WANTS.
SO IF PEOPLE WANT IT, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BRING IT IN.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT DEPENDS ON, ON WHAT THE PEOPLE LOCALLY WOULD LIKE.
BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK, YOU SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE A, THEY SAID STORES CAN DO THAT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A MODEL.
SO THIS, WHAT WE WOULD MAYBE KNOW IS A DOLLAR, THE FRESH DOLLAR FRESH IS A, IS A MARKETING CONCEPT INSIDE A DOLLAR GENERAL.
IT'S NOT, THIS WILL BE A DOLLAR GENERAL DOLLAR FRESH.
IS THERE FRESH FOOD SELECTION? IT'S THERE IT'S THAT.
YEAH, BUT WE, WE KNOW THAT BASED ON THEIR COOLER LAYOUT, AND THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED A D G H P, WHICH IS A HYBRID PLUS, WHICH MEANS THAT HAS A LOT OF HIGH RECORDERS, WHICH ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE TYPICALLY, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT GET FRESH PRODUCE COOLERS, UM, SO THAT WE HAVE PROVISIONS FOR MINISTERS IN THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, LET US AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THERE, WHETHER OR NOT THAT HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY OWN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE STORE IS BUILT, THE COOLERS ARE THERE TO PROVIDE THAT WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S HOW THEY STOCK THE STORE.
I CAN'T SAY I DON'T, I'M NOT LIKE OPERATIONALLY.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WORK WITH ALL THAT CLOSELY UNTIL I GET THEIR FIXTURE PLAN RIGHT NEAR THE END OF CONSTRUCTION, ICE CREAM.
I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY CONFUSION ON THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE IS A PRETTY NEW CONCEPT.
AND SO, UM, I'M LEARNING FROM MY CLIENT AS WE GET I'VE BUILT.
I'VE GOT FOUR MOST IN NORTH CAROLINA, TWO OR THREE IN TWO IN VIRGINIA THAT ARE THIS CONCEPT AND THE ONES THAT WE'VE FIXTURED AND OPENED ALL HAVE FRESH PRODUCT.
I JUST OPENED ONE LAST WEEK DOWN THERE, THE CUSTOMER NORTH CAROLINA, AND IT HAD FRESH PRODUCTS IN INDIA AND IT WAS PRETTY GOOD WISE FROM A DISTRIBUTION CENTER.
IT WAS FROM CHARLOTTE TO ALMOST WILMINGTON.
SO PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE, MR. SHARP, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, AT THE FRESH FOODS? NOT NONE AT THIS TIME.
SO, SO YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU USE SOME, SOME TERMS IN YOUR WORLD, LIKE A HYBRID CORE COOLERS HYBRID COOLERS.
SO HAVE YOU BEEN GIVEN PLANS? BECAUSE I HEARD KIND OF, I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED.
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IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REALLY KNOW WHAT'S COMING UNTIL, WELL, I WON'T, I WON'T KNOW HOW THEY STOCK IT AND REALLY UP UNTIL ABOUT TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE STORE OPENS, THEY'RE USING ALGORITHMS AND DATA FROM CLOSED SURROUNDS TO SAY, WHY GOES NO, BUT YOU APPARENTLY KNOW WHAT THEY INTEND TO THE DESIGNER, WHAT THEY INTEND TO BUILD AT THIS LOCATION.WELL, I KNOW BASED ON HOW BASICALLY OUR PROCESS WORKS, WE GET A LIST OF AREAS THEY WANT AND THEIR MAPS ON A DOT, I MEAN, NOT ON A MAP.
UM, AND WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, WE FIND A PROPERTY TO BUY, WE JUST SUBMITTED THE DOLLAR GENERAL.
THEY SUBMIT IT BACK TO US AS TO WHAT KIND OF STORE COOLER LAYOUT SECURITY, ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT THEY WANT.
THIS STORE IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS A DG, HP, WHICH IS A HYBRID PLUS, WHICH TYPICALLY FROM EVERYTHING SEEN, GET HIGH RECORDERS WITH PRODUCE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE INFORMATION I HAVE SUGGEST HEAVILY THAT THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE THERE, BUT EVERYTHING I HAVE IN MY EXPERIENCE, WE, WE FILLED OVER 200 OF THESE STORES.
I APPRECIATE THAT CURIOSITY AND, AND, UM, INTERESTS THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE JUST IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT MIGHT BE COMING.
BUT I, I KNOW THAT THEY AND THE RESIDENTS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE EXACT STORE EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SELL OR, UH, IS NOT A LAND USE CONSIDERATION.
AND, AND I GET IT, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
AND SO WE'RE CURIOUS, WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I DO WANT TO CLARIFY, TO MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENTS KNOW THAT WHILE THE BOARD'S CURIOUS ABOUT THAT, THAT'S NOT A FUNCTION OF THEIR LAND USE CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION, NOT AT ALL.
I'LL MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT YOUR CONCERN WITH TRAFFIC.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE TRAFFIC DATA FROM OUR STUDY.
IT'S BASICALLY EVERYTHING WE HAD AT PEAK TIMES IS GOING TO ADD 10 CARS, EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND ON RIVER ROAD AT PEAK TIMES OF THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC COUNTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. PETERSON, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'D BE ABLE TO NEED TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS OR NOT.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS TO LIKE ABOUT THIS.
UM, IT'S A BUSINESS AND THIS IS A BUSINESS FRIENDLY COMMUNITY AND WE, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR COMMERCIAL AND THE PLACE YOU'RE PUTTING IT IS IN THE COMP PLAN.
SO, AND FOR BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL AND BECAUSE IT'S AT A MAJOR INTERSECTION AND A MAJOR CROSSROADS, AND IT'S PROBABLY THE RIGHT PLACE TO PUT THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THE BUSINESS PLAN ASPECT, THE COMPANY IS GOING TO DO A MARKETING DATA ANALYSIS, FIGURING OUT ROOFTOPS, AVERAGE INCOMES, CAN WE MAKE MONEY OR NOT? AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BET OVER MILLION DOLLARS ON WHETHER THEY'RE RIGHT OR NOT.
AND THAT'S REALLY NOT FOR US TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT OR NOT.
AND WHETHER IT'LL FACILITATE, IF THE DEMAND IS NOT THERE, THE STORE WILL DRY UP AND GO AWAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S SELF, THE MARKET IS SELF-CORRECTING THAT WAY.
WE DON'T NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT AT ALL, BUT THERE ARE SOME, WAIT A MINUTE.
SO IT'S THE RIGHT THING IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
THE ONLY QUESTION FOR ME IS, IS IT THE RIGHT TIME? DO WE NEED TO RATIONALIZE THAT INTERSECTION? DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE SPEED LIMIT? IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME, THE RIGHT PLACE? OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN THE COMP PLAN, THE RIGHT PLACE.
IT'S THE RIGHT THING, BUT ARE WE READY FOR THAT OR NOT? IT'S KIND OF THE QUESTION, THE TIMING.
UM, SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, YOU, MR. PETERSON WOULD JUST READ IT, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CONCERNS THAT WE FOCUSED ON OUR SAFETY, UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE IN PART, I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HEARING DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT WHAT Y'ALL PLANNING TO DO.
SO I THINK I APPRECIATE THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN HEAR CAUSE MAYBE SOME OF THE OPPOSITION, NOT THAT IT FACTORS IN OUR DECISION, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, LETTERS ARE NOT IN THE PLACE THAT WE DON'T, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP ASSUAGE SOME CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD EXPRESSED ABOUT LIKE WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY THINKING AS WELL.
IN ADDITION TO MY NATURAL CURIOSITY, UM, I, UH, I DON'T, THAT'S NOT A FACTOR THAT'S COMING TO MY MIND.
SAFETY HAS BEEN THE THING THAT I TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT AND LISTENING TO RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPETITION FOR THE OTHER STORES.
I MEAN THAT THAT'S, THAT'S CAPITALISM.
THAT'S WHERE, WE'RE THE WAY WE OPERATE IN AND IT'S NOT OUR PLACE TO CONSIDER THAT.
AND WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT.
UM, SO I HEAR WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND ABSOLUTELY, BUT SOMETIMES VIDA DOES THINGS THAT JUST COMMON SENSE.
AND SO YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT THAT IF WE JUST APPROVED IT AND THE TRAFFIC COMES AND BEAT OUT, WE'LL LISTEN TO US.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A DISCOMFORTING STILL FOR ME BECAUSE IF WE SEE A SAFETY
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CONCERN, I WOULD.SO I THINK ONE OF OUR JOBS AS A BOARD AND AS A COUNTY IS TO REALLY WORK HARD AT FIXING A RELATIONSHIP WITH VITA BECAUSE THIS WHOLE IDEA THAT NO, NO, NO.
WHEN THE COMMUNITY AND WHEN THE BOARD IS SAYING, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE SPEED PROBLEM THAT JUST BUGS ME.
UM, IT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS IT'S COMMERCIAL.
THEY'RE BRINGING US COMMERCIAL.
UM, V.IS GRANTED EXCEPTIONS ON THE ENTRANCEWAY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S A, THIS IS A TOUGH CASE, BUT WHERE YOU THROW MR. LUMPKIN, IS THAT A QUESTION? SORRY.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE COMP PLAN.
THAT IS WITHIN THE RURAL CROSSROAD AREA FOR GEORGIA'S TAVERN.
FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE 2035 COMP PLAN, IT IS OUR JOB TO GUIDE DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT'S SAFE AND WHERE IT DOES NOT IMPACT THE COMMUNITY.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE STORY IS.
THAT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT WHATSOEVER, BUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, IN MY OPINION, AS STAFF HAS POINTED IT OUT, THE CITIZENS HAVE POINTED IT OUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THE COMP PLAN TO BE COMMERCIAL.
AND THERE ARE SAFETY CONCERNS.
WE WOULD BE REMISS TO APPROVE IT.
UM, BECAUSE OF STAFF CONCERNS AND THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY VEHICLES, ACCESS TO RIVER ROAD, WEST PROPERTY, GIVEN THE RATE OF SPEED THAT THEY TRAVEL THROUGH THIS AREA AND THE PROXIMITY OF THE DOGLEG LEG INTERSECTION AND OTHER MULTIPLE ACCESSES IN THE VICINITY I'M GETTING THERE.
UM, AT THIS TIME THE APPROPRIATE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT IN PLACE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR SAFELY.
IN ADDITION, UM, IT'S ALSO APPROPRIATE TO NOTE THAT IT'S BEEN A NO USE SITE LAYOUT OR ACCESS INFORMATION PRESENTED ABOUT THE SITE, UH, FRONTING ON HAYNESVILLE FIVE ROAD TO DETERMINE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE AT THIS TIME COULD BE DONE SAFE SAFELY.
I MEAN THE, EXCUSE ME, THE REZONING CASE.
I HAVE A MOTION SECOND AND I HAVE A SECOND DISCUSSION WORK.
AND I BELIEVE WE ARE UP TO OUR LAST CASE BOARD MEMBERS.
I MIGHT JUST LET A MINUTE PASS WHILE FOLKS ARE WANDERING OUT AND I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW.
I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE DIOCESE.
UM, UM, PRETTY PICTURES, PRETTY PICTURES OF SEPTIC SYSTEMS. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME FOR? OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME GLS MAKE IT TO THE END, PETE.
[6. 5226: Ordinance amending County Code Chapter 14 (Water and Sewers),]
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.UM, MR. ALVAREZ, I'LL GO AHEAD AND START THEN.
LET'S BEFORE YOU, FOR THIS NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE GOODSON COUNTY CODE TO REMOVE SEVERAL DIVISIONS ABOUT SEWAGE SYSTEMS FROM CHAPTER 14 OF THE COUNTY CODE.
THIS AMENDMENT IS SUBSTANTIAL IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF WORDS THAT WOULD BE STRUCK FROM THE COUNTY CODE, BUT IT IS NOT SUBSTANTIAL IN TERMS OF CHANGES THAT IT WOULD BE BRINGING ABOUT BECAUSE STAFF HAS ASKED FOR THIS AMENDMENT
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IN ORDER TO MAKE THE CODE FOLLOW WHAT THEY ARE ALREADY DOING IN PLACE TODAY.AND WHEN I SAY STAFF, THE FOLKS INVOLVED IN THE AMENDMENT TONIGHT INCLUDE BUILDING INSPECTIONS WHO ACTUALLY REQUESTED THAT WE INITIATE THE AMENDMENT, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT UTILITIES, ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING AND OUR PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF.
SO IT'S, UM, WE HAD, UH, A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS.
UM, THE PROPOSED REVISIONS ABOUT SEWAGE SYSTEMS, UM, ARE WE'RE REMOVING SEVERAL SECTIONS REGARDING RESIDENTIAL ALTERNATIVE ON-SITE SEWAGE SYSTEMS, RESIDENTIAL ALTERNATIVE DISCHARGING, SEWAGE SYSTEMS, SANITARY PREVIZ, AND THE PERMITS AND SPECIFICATIONS, EVEN FOR CONVENTIONAL ONSITE SEWAGE SYSTEMS. THOSE ARE TODAY HANDLED BY HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT PERMITS REGULATIONS, THE SPECS THERE IN THOSE REGULATIONS.
SO THEY DON'T NEED TO BE IN OUR COUNTY CODE AND DIRECTED TOWARDS OUR BUILDING INSPECTION, WHICH IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE.
AND THEN WE HAVE ADDITIONAL REVISIONS AS WE ALWAYS DO TO REMOVE DUPLICATE ORDINANCES, CLARIFY CONTRADICTIONS, MAKE IT READ BETTER AND IMPROVE THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.
SO, UM, I ASK FOR YOU TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO APPROVE IT AFTER YOUR PUBLIC HEARING, AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.
IT IS ALWAYS SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER FOR US WHEN THE ORDINANCES IN, IN OUR BOOKS OR WHAT OUR STAFF IS PERFORMING ON THE JOB SITE.
AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE TODAY, BUT IT WOULD BE IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT.
THANK YOU, MS. MCGEE, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS MCGEE? NOPE.
UM, THOSE ARE THE APPLICANT COMMENTS AS WELL.
I JUST ASKED IF WE COULD HOLD THIS HEARING BEFORE DINNER INSTEAD OF OKAY.
SO WE ARE OPEN TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC HABITS.
JONATHAN LAO, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD OUT.
WELL, THIS PUT US IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.
WE CERTAINLY WILL NOT BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BOARD.
YOU PLEASURE DISCUSSION MOTION FOR MOTION.
READY FOR A MOTION THAT THE BOARD ADOPT.
UM, THIS ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COUNTY CODE CHAPTER 14, RELATING TO SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEMS AS PRESENTED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ROLL CALL VOTE, MR. ALVAREZ.
WE, I WILL ADJOURN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
[XVI. Adjournment: The Board of Supervisors will adjourn as follows:]
UP UNTIL TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 22ND FOR OUR 2:00 PM BUDGET SESSION AND OUR 6:00 PM PRESENTATION.ARE WE DITCHED STRICT THING? UM, THEN AT THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED.