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[II. 2:00 PM, Call to Order, Conference Room 270]
GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.WELCOME TO THE 2:00 PM WORKING SESSION FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, I WILL CALL OUR MEET OR, UH, BEFORE I CALL IT, AS BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR NEW BUSINESS, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A SURPRISE.
WE JUST GOT WORD FROM, UH, CHIEF FERGUSON.
THERE'S BEEN A BAD ACCIDENT ON 2 88.
UM, SOMEONE IS OVER THE BRIDGE I'LL I FIND IS ON THE WAY.
SO IT MIGHT TAKE A MINUTE TO JUST PRAY FOR THAT SITUATION IN FRONT OF THE ONE OF ALL.
PROBABLY LORD, WE JUST COME TO YOU RIGHT NOW WITH AN URGENT REQUEST TO BE WITH THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THOSE, WHETHER IT BE ANY INCIDENT OR RESPONDING, GIVE A HEAD TO PRODUCTION OVER THEM RIGHT NOW, YOUR SON'S NAME.
THAT HER, UH, NO IS A GOOD INDICATOR THAT WHAT WE DO HERE IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE THINGS THAT WE PROVIDE AND MATERIALS TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS IS IMPORTANT.
UM, SO I OPEN IT UP NOW TO OUR PRESENTATION DISCUSSION FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
[III. New Business]
THAT'S KIND OF A GOOD SEGUE INTO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.UM, AND MARIANNE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BUDGET YESTERDAY, AND A LOT OF WAYS ITS BUDGET IS MUCH SMALLER THAN OUR OPERATING BUDGET IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF LINES AND EVERYTHING.
BUT IN A LOT OF WAYS, IT'S MUCH HARDER BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY INFRASTRUCTURE MEANS OUT THERE IN THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOLS AND THERE'S OF COURSE, LIMITED WAYS TO FINANCE THOSE.
SO, SO IT'S, UM, IT'S A THOUGHTFUL PLAN.
UM, WE, WE DON'T JUST PUT IN EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY REQUESTS, WE, AND WE REARRANGE THINGS AND SAY, HEY, COULD WE MOVE THIS OUT THIS YEAR? COULD WE DO THIS? COULD WE DO LESS OF THIS? UM, AND, UM, YOU SHOULD HAVE A PACKET IN FRONT OF YOU THAT WAS ALSO EMAILED TO YOU.
UM, AND WHAT I THINK MAYBE WOULD BE MOST HANDY WOULD BE THE SHEETS THAT ARE RIGHT AT THE FRONT THAT SAY, UH, THE FIVE-YEAR CIP.
CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, WE BALANCED THE FIRST FIVE YEARS AND THAT IS, UM, REALLY GOING TO BE OUR FOCUS AND JUST TO CHANGE IN, UH, ORDER A LITTLE BIT, UH, SCHOOLS HAS A PREVIOUS HAS A COMMITMENT AT THREE O'CLOCK, SO THEY WILL BE THE FIRST TO TALK ABOUT THEIR PROJECTS.
SO GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MARIANNE OKAY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CIP FOR FYI 23, THESE FIVE-YEAR AND THE 25 YEAR POINT.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN'T HEAR, UM, THE FIRST YEAR, WHICH IS F R 23 IS ADOPTED IN THE BUDGET WHEN WE ADOPT THE BUDGET, THE FIVE-YEAR WE, THE BOARD APPROVES THAT, AND THEN THE 25 YEAR PLAN ISN'T NECESSARILY BALANCED WITH REVENUES BECAUSE THAT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT HARD.
UM, BUT THE PLAN IS OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY.
SO WHAT DO WE DO WHEN WE PLAN CIP, WE LOOK AT THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE FACILITIES AND MAJOR OPERATING SYSTEMS AND EQUIPMENT.
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UM, ANNUAL MAINTENANCE TO KEEP THINGS GOING.THIS IS ABOUT WHEN THE STUFF ACTUALLY WEAR OUT, WHAT DOES IT NEED TO BE REPLACED? WHEN DO WE NEED TO BUILD NEW, THAT TYPE OF THING? UM, YOU KNOW, CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, YOU KNOW, I JUST HEARD THAT ON THE NEWS.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
[5311: Presentation and Discussion Relating to the County's 2023-2047 Capital]
CERTAINLY HOPE THAT DOESN'T CONTINUE OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT AS WELL.UM, AND WE ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT EXISTING STRUCTURED VERSUS NEW.
IS THERE STUFF THAT WE CAN USE? IT'S ALL THAT MAYBE WE CAN RECONFIGURE, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN NEW IT'S A, IT'S A GENERAL OVERALL LOOK AT THE COUNTY.
UM, WE LOOK AT THE ABILITY TO CASH FUND, CERTAIN PROJECTS.
WE HAVE, UM, GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT THAT WE BORROWED TO DO SEVERAL PROJECTS.
WHAT'S PRETTY FAR STATION FOR THE CIRCUIT COURT ON THE ISSUE OF HIGH SCHOOL ADDITIONS OR MOTIVATIONS.
AND ALSO OF COURSE, GOOCHLAND ELEMENTARY, WHICH WAS A MDF BY TWO CIP.
AND OF COURSE WITH ALL THAT ONLY ONE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING WITHIN OUR DEBT CAPACITY, UM, MAINTAINING DIFFERENT FACTORIES.
SO THIS YEAR IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, EDUCATION DOESN'T HAVE A HUGE PIECE OF THE PIE FOR A REQUEST.
UM, THEY'RE VERY BUSY WITH MUTUAL ELEMENTARY, SO THEY HAVE A WHOLE LOT GOING ON FROM 20 TO NECESSARILY REFLECTED A NEW REQUEST FOR 23.
UM, THE BIGGEST PORTION OF OUR REQUESTS FOR 23 AS FIRE AND RESCUE.
AND OF COURSE THAT'S BECAUSE THEIR EQUIPMENT IS SO EXPENSIVE.
AND WE ALSO HAVE THE WEST CREEK FIRE STATION, WHICH IS THE STATION OR BARN, OR THIS LOOKS MORE LIKE WE'RE USED TO SEEING THIS IS THE FIVE-YEAR CIP.
EDUCATION IS A LITTLE BETTER THAN HALF.
UM, AGAIN, FIRE AND RESCUE A LOT OF EXPENSIVE THINGS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO START WITH EDUCATION.
AND AS FAR AS SETTING THE SCHOOLS HAVE A PRETTY CRITICAL MEETING AT THREE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND MOVE THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, THE ONE THING I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THIS IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE GOOCHLAND HIGH, NO RENOVATIONS LINE, THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY REQUESTED.
UM, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE SCHOOL REQUEST AS THEY REQUESTED IT.
WE THINK EXCEPTION OF THE MUTUAL MINOR RENOVATIONS LINE, STARTING IN , AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE THAT FUNDED A MILLION DOLLARS EACH YEAR.
IT'S IT'S THINGS TO KEEP THAT BUILDING GOING BUILDINGS ABOUT 20 YEARS OLD.
AND SO WHAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED IN 24, 3 0.1 MILLION IN 25, 3 0.4 MILLION, 1.1 MILLION AT 26 AND 1.9 MILLION 27.
WE COULDN'T BALANCE THAT WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OR EXPECT TO HAVE, UM, FOR REVENUES.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WATCH OUT AND FORWARD, BECAUSE IF THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HANDLE THAT.
IF YOU DON'T MIND THE OTHER REQUEST WE SEE THE TOTAL, THE REQUEST FOR THAT LINE WAS, UH, DON'T HAVE TO ADD THAT UP.
THAT'S LUCK, 11, 11, 11 MILLION.
AND THAT'S, THAT IS THE ALL IN THAT ONE LINE 11, UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY 11.
WE CAN GET TO THE ACTUAL NUMBER, BUT OKAY.
UM, UM, THE SCHOOLS ARE HERE AND CAN SPEAK TO ANY OF THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM SPEAK.
UM, AND I'M WILL ADD, UM, UNDER THE NEW GOOCHLAND ELEMENTARY COURSE, WE ALREADY, UM, ALLOCATED A LOT OF MONEY TO THAT.
THE 600,000 YOU SEE THERE IS, UM, WE HAVE PROPER MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO GO AHEAD AND SPEND.
SO I KNOW WE HAVEN'T FINISHED OUR DISCUSSION ON HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS GOING TO ULTIMATELY COST, BUT I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT 600,000 IN THERE.
WE WANT TO SPEND THAT PROPER MONEY AND, AND GET IT IN THERE.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU APPROVED THIS DAVID, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER 600,000 ADDED TO THEIR CURRENT BUDGET.
AND SO THAT'S ALL EDUCATION PROBLEM,
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CORRECT? YEAH.WE NOW HAVE IT DIVIDED IN THE MULTIPLE PARTS.
WE HAVE THE OLD, AND THEN WE HAVE THE D THE DISTRICT, BUT IT'S A COMBINATION OF OLD AND CENTRAL STUDENTS.
UM, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UPGRADING, UH, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE HIGH SCHOOL, BUT ACTUALLY THE HIGH SCHOOL, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE NO RESERVATIONS PIECE.
UM, SO THAT SCHOOL IS 20 YEARS OR SO.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT AS WE BUILD THE NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, 20 YEARS OUT START PUTTING MONEY FOR RESUME OF ELEVATIONS? I WOULD THINK SO.
WE'VE SHOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, WHEN YOU'RE 44, YOU START GETTING THOSE LARGE HVAC COSTS WHAT'S HAPPENING TO US NOW IS ALL GRADES BACK SYSTEMS, RIGHT? SO THEY REALLY WERE ESSENTIALLY 20 YEAR PRODUCTS, IF YOU WILL, UM, THAT THEY WERE INSTALLED.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE THE SIX YEAR? AND IT IS 37, 42, $50 MILLION COUNTING ON SILENCE.
IT'S WHAT IS THE BIG DELTA IN THE RENOVATIONS PIECE? WHAT'S BEING LEFT ON THE TABLE? THERE WERE SOME HARD FIBERS REQUEST.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN JANUARY, BUT ALL MENTALLY IT'S DIFFERENT.
IT WAS PRESENTED ALL THE SCREENS, UH, KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S ALL RELATED TO 12 AIR CONDITIONING.
IT IS THE DIFFERENTIAL $5 MILLION.
YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE IT RIGHT AWAY.
SO THE 5 MILLION DOESN'T COVER, I MEAN, THE HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING, I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, IF, UH, IF APPROPRIATE AND MILLION DOLLARS BREAK THE OVERALL PROJECT INTO SMALLER SEGMENTS, BUT I THINK YOU MIGHT BE THINKING ABOUT THAT UNIT THAT THAT'S THIS YEAR'S.
THAT'S WHY THAT BIG UNIT THAT IS INCLUDED THREE REQUESTS AND IS, I BELIEVE RECOMMENDED TO BE FUNDING FUNDED ON THE SCREEN.
SO THE REST OF THERE IS IT'S A NICE TO HAVE UNTIL IT'S NOT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE NOT, THEY WERE KICKING DOWN AND KICKING THE COUNTY FOR SEVEN.
EVENTUALLY THOSE PROJECTS WILL NEED TO BE DONE.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THEY DO.
THEY GO BAD PRIOR TO THE TIME THAT THE THING FUNDED THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY JUST THE QUALITY OF PLANNING LIKE THIS.
ANYWAY, WE USE ANY SORT OF RESOURCES PROVIDED TO MEET THE HIGHEST NEED.
NOT TO RENDER SOME OF THAT STIMULUS MONEY IS GOING TO PUT DOWN COVERING MONEY AS THOSE WHO WENT TO FILTRATION AND NOT SO MUCH DIFFERENT PRESSORS IS, WELL, A LOT OF THE THINGS MR. PETERSON THAT HAPPENED FUNDED WITH FEDERAL RESOURCES WOULD HAVE SHOWED UP ON THIS SCREEN, BUT ARE NOT AS A RESULT OF THOSE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE.
SO YOU WOULD SEE HIGHER FIGURES ON BIRD AND RANDOLPH WITHOUT THE USE OF FEDERAL RESOURCES THAT WE'VE DONE.
HE GOT A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD HAVE NORMALLY SHOWED UP.
THEY WERE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE AIR QUALITY FILTRATION FUNCTIONALITY OF THE, CAN WE, DO WE KNOW IF ANY OF, AND THIS IS PROBABLY MAYBE A LITTLE TOO TECHNICAL, BUT DO WE KNOW WHAT THE UPGRADES THAT WE'VE MADE, IF THAT PUTS ANY ADDITIONAL STRAIN ON THE CURRENT UNITS? I KNOW IF I USED THE WRONG KIND OF FILTER IN MY HOME UNIT, IT'S TOO MUCH OF A DRAW, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M MESSING UP MIAMI.
I MEAN, UNIT, DO WE KNOW IF ANY OF THE AIR QUALITY UPGRADES IMPACT PERFORMANCE OR LIFE CYCLE OF R E? WELL, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS NEW UNITS ALTOGETHER.
SO THE FILTRATION UPGRADES WILL
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NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE CURRENT UNITS BECAUSE WHAT WE DID IS WE JUST REPLACED OLD FOR NEW.AND SO THE FILTRATION UNITS WILL WORK IN SYNCHRONY TOGETHER IN HARMONY AND HARMONY.
WE GET ENOUGH OF THAT AROUND HERE, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE UPGRADED THE FILTRATION, THEY UPGRADED THE POWER THOUGH, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH THAT THAT UNIT COULD TAKE.
SO THAT, THAT WAS A NICE THING.
AND WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE INVESTED HOPEFULLY FOR THE LIFE OF THOSE BUILDINGS NOW THAT WE HAVE DONE OUR LAST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY REPLACED EVERYTHING AT, OFF THE BIRD AND WE'RE IN VERY GOOD SHAPE FOR THE NEXT 15, 20 YEARS OF THOSE SCHOOLS.
SO, AND WE DID SPEND A FAIR AMOUNT OF THE COVID FUNDS AND FEDERAL FUNDS ON SOME OF THAT AS WELL.
ALL OF THAT, LIKE IT DID NOT HAPPEN AT THE CFC BECAUSE THE FEDERAL, RIGHT.
AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT FOR THAT, THAT GOT FUNDED IN A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES VERSUS DIRECTLY FROM OUR TAXPAYERS, BUT NOT DIRECTLY.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR SCHOOLS, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE FIRE AND RESCUE ENGAGEMENT? UM, SO THE, UM, THE BIGGEST THINGS HERE, OF COURSE, WE MOVED UP, IT WASN'T REQUIRED PATIENT.
THAT WAS A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND FUNDING.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE $0.2 MILLION A BOTTLE.
WE ALSO HAVE LADDER TRUCK REPLACEMENT AND A TAKER REPLACEMENT.
WE HAD, UM, ACTUALLY MOVED THE TEMPORARY REPLACEMENT OUT OF HERE TO FERGUSON SET UP.
IT WAS IMPERATIVE THAT HE HAD THAT ANCHOR.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE THE PINKER'S REPLACING, I THINK IS NOT A GREAT SHAPE, BUT ALSO IT'S TAKING TWO YEARS TO GET EQUIPMENT.
SO WE ACTUALLY REDUCED THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER IN THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS 500,000 DOWN TO 80, SO WE COULD PUT THE TANKER IN THERE.
UM, SO THOSE TWO PIECES OF APPARATUS ARE, UH, PRIORITIES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE'RE ALSO IN A BIT OF A SITUATION WHERE WE HEARD FROM THE MANUFACTURER AND THE PRICE HAS CALLED THE FIRST ONE, THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF EQUIPMENT.
AND THEY'RE SAYING THERE'S A 24 MONTH BASICALLY LEAD TIME TO GIVE.
SO WE MAY NEED TO DISCUSS AT SOME POINT, IF MORE APPROVED MOVING THE PACKER AND THE LADDER TRUCK FORWARD IN THE CIP, IF WE COULD DO SOME SORT OF A PURCHASE AGREEMENT PRIOR TO FIRST, THE BUDGET WILL BE ADOPTED IN APRIL.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD PROBABLY DO, BUT I WANT TO CONVENTION THAT THAT'S OUT THERE.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HAVE THANK YOU.
UH, I APPRECIATE THAT ONGOING HERE TODAY ALSO BY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR CESSATION MARKING THAT SUDDENLY SHE'S RIGHT.
NO, WE LOOKED AT THE CFP AND THE MONEY WE HAD FOR FIRE RESCUE TRAINING CENTER.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE EQUIPMENT WE RESPOND TO THE SCENE OF EMERGENCIES HAS TO TAKE PRIORITY OF OUR FACILITIES, UH, WHILE WE DO NEED FACILITIES IN THE WORST WAY, IN SOME CASES.
SO LOOKING AT TWO LARGE ITEMS IN CIP, ONE, IT'S THE LADDER TRUCK, THE LADDER TRUCK IS THE SAME LADDER TRUCK WE'VE HAD SINCE 1993 IS 29 YEARS OLD.
HE STATIONED AT FIRE STATION FIVE, AND IT'S ALSO, UH, SO YOU THAT SERVICE FOR 121 DAYS PLUS OR CALENDAR YEAR 2021, UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED A NEW LADDER TRUCK THAT'S IN THE EAST OF THE COUNTY.
OUR PLAN IS BUILT AROUND HAVING TWO LADDER TRUCKS, SOME OF THE HALF LIFE SAFETY RISKS, UH, OCCUPANCIES THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH.
AND ALSO THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, THEN THAT OPENNESS WILL REQUIRE TWO LADDER TRUCKS.
UH, IF THERE WAS A RESIDENT ADVANCING FACILITIES, PLUS ONE IS A BACKUP TO THE OTHER SHOULD WANT THE SERVICE FOR, FOR MAINTENANCE OR THERE'S SOME TYPE OF MECHANICAL REPAIRS.
IN ADDITION WITH THE LADDER TRUCK, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S ALREADY OUT HERE, THERE ARE MANY HOMES IN THE COUNTY THAT FOLLOW UP IN THREE STORIES ARE POWERED.
UH, AND EVEN SOME OF THOSE HOMES ARE IN THE WESTERN END OF THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS, UH, STRUCTURES AROUND THE COURTHOUSE.
UH, COURTHOUSE COMPLEX IN COURTHOUSES IS GOING TO BE BUILT IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ONCE EVERYTHING GETS HERE TODAY.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO GET IT FUNDED.
IT HAS TAKEN ABOUT 24 MONTHS TO RECEIVE A PIECE OF FIRE APPARATUS AND THE BORDER AND THEIR APPARATUS PLAN YOU MAY RECALL WAS, UH, WAS A LITTLE BIT BEHIND TO START WITH.
AND HE JUST GOT IT ON TRACK SO THAT WE CAN STAGGER THESE PURCHASES GOING FORWARD.
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TANKER, UM, WOULD GO TO FIRE STATION SIX IN HAYDEN'S MILL.THE THINKER IS A NEW MODERN TANDEM AXLE TANKER.
IT HANDLES THE WEIGHT OF THE WATER BETTER.
IT'S DISTRIBUTED OVER MORE AXIS.
IT ALSO CARRIES OUT 400 GALLONS, MORE WATER THAN THE EXISTING TANKERS TO EXISTING THINKERS.
THEY WERE TALKING TO YOU IN 2002 YEARS OLD AROUND THE, THAT LOOK, ELLIPTICAL TYPE TANKS.
AND WE'VE GONE BACK TO FIRE AND STYLE PRODUCTS THAT HAVE BEEN CARRIED 400.
IT WAS IN THE LIBRARIES AND MORE LOOSE EQUIPMENT.
THAT VEHICLE WOULD BE VERSATILE.
AND WHAT TYPES OF EMERGENCIES, CHIEF, HOW MANY OF THOSE WE HAVE ONLY, UH, WE BOUGHT ONE NEW TANK OR TODAY THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF IT OR WAS IT NEED SO NO, NO BAD DOGS, BUT, UM, THERE WAS A NEED, SO WE'VE MET AND NOW WE'VE GOT, THEY'RE ALL COMING DUE TO THE PLACEMENT AT THE SAME TIME.
I KNOW WE DON'T TRY TO SAY THE QUESTION.
DID YOU SAY SIX, SIX? WHAT ARE THE NEW THING FOR 2019 AND 2021? SO WE HAVE REPLACED ONE, ONE TANKER TO THIS, AND THEN I WILL SAY THE LADDER TRUCK, UH, WAS, UH, WAS IN THE AVERAGE BECAUSE OF, WE WERE EXPERIENCING WITH THE RELIABILITY AND THE MAINTENANCE AND THE NUMBER OF DAYS OUT OF SERVICE.
WE MOVED IT UP A YEAR UNTIL THE FIRE ENGINE THAT WAS, UH, WAS ORIGINALLY AN PUT THE FIRE ENGINE OUT OF HERE.
WE GOT THE FOCUS ON THE LADDER TRUCK WHERE WE ARE AFRAID THAT THE LADDER TRUCK IS GOING TO GO INTO THE SHOP.
WE WERE JUST ONE VISIT AWAY FROM SOMETHING ABOUT IT, CAUSING THE TRUCK.
HE COMMISSIONED WITH PART TWO TRANSMISSIONS IN THE COURSE OF, UH, 18 MONTHS.
UM, THANKFULLY THE SECOND TRANSMISSION, UH, HAD SOME WARRANTY ON FROM THE FIRST ONE.
UM, BUT HONESTLY WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S IN THE SHOP AT WESTERN BRANCH, EXCUSE ME, FOR THREE MONTHS, WE GET NO USE OF THAT VEHICLE.
IF THERE WAS A FIRE, THE OTHER, WE HAVE SOME OTHER PROJECTS, CIP BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THEM NECESSARILY.
IF YOU HAD A QUESTION YOU HAVE CHIEF, COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT TO THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS OF, OF, UH, EQUIPMENT, LIKE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
RIGHT? SO, UM, SO WE'VE TRIED, AS FAR AS THE CUREMAN THESE GUYS, WE TRY TO BUY OFF OF THE HOUSTON GALVESTON PERSON COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT THAT THE COUNTY SEEMS TO TRAPS TOO.
IT'S A COST FOR BEING A MEMBER OF THAT AND WORK, BUT I CAN TELL FROM TALKING TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS, A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS ARE GOING THAT ROUTE NOWADAYS, AS OPPOSED TO GOING THROUGH A FORMAL BID PROCESS.
SO IF WE MAKE THAT ORDER FOR A PIECE OF FIRE APPARATUS, UH, ALL OF THE ENGINEERING HAS TO OCCUR IN WHAT WERE, WHAT WERE YOU TOLD US? YOU WENT FROM THEIR SALES REPRESENTATIVE.
PIERCE MANUFACTURING IS TAKING ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO 24 MONTHS TO SEE A FIRE TRUCK ORDER.
IT, UH, WE ALL WEAR THIS MORNING THAT THE LADDER TRUCK IS A A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS INCREASE IN THE COST OF A LADDER TRUCK AS OF MAY 1ST.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO A $35,000 INCREASE IN THE COST OF THE TANKER AS OF MAY 1ST.
AND THEN WE CAN GET TWICE SAVINGS ABOUT SOME POINT PAY OPTIONS.
AND SO IF YOU ADD IN THE TWO PREPAY OPTIONS AND YOU GET THE ORDER IN THE FORM, MAY 1ST, IT WILL SAY THE TAXPAYERS $199,000, JUST UNDER $200,000.
AND SO WE'RE HOPEFUL, HOPEFULLY HAVE A CIP PASS, BUT ALSO THAT WHEN THE BUDGET IS PASSED, THAT WE CAN UNDER SOME FAST WORK WITH PROCUREMENT AND GET THAT ORDER IN BEFORE MAY ONE TO SAVE THE TAX PAYERS AND THE BUDGET AND FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, $200,000.
YOU TOLD US HOW MUCH IT SAVES THE TAXPAYER SO MUCH AS IT CAN COST DEPOSITS AND STUFF.
THE, UM, SO WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY BUDGETED IN THE CIP FOR THE LADDER TRUCK THAT'S COMING IN AND LIKE 1.4 MILLION, I THINK SO, CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ORDERING MAY THAT'S IN FISCAL YEARS, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE HAVE TO DO A BUDGET ON THAT TO, YEAH, WE HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW WE WOULD DO IT YET.
FIRST WE WOULD NEED TO IMPROVE THIS AND THEN WE'D PROBABLY BRING THE CONTRACT THAT YOU, UM, I THINK THE DEPOSIT IS $1.2 MILLION ON THE LADDER.
UM, AND I'M NOT SURE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS ON THE TANKER.
THE REALLY CRITICAL THING WOULD BE IS IF WE COULD GET A CONTRACT THAT WOULD SAVE US.
THE MAJORITY OF THAT, I WAS KIND OF ASKING, DOES THE CONTRACT REQUIRE A DEPOSIT? IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A DEPOSIT.
SO THE CONTRACT WAS JUST SORT OF A LETTER OF INTENT TO LOCK INTO LAW.
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IN THE PRICE, THE PRE CRISIS.I FOUND MY EMAIL, THE PREPAY, A DISCOUNT FOR THE LATTER DRUG IS $53,677.
AND THE PREPAY NOW FOR THE TANKER PREPAY, IT WOULD BE $8,145.
NOW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE'S A FIRM, BUT THIS CAME BY EMAIL AND NOT ANY TYPE OF FORMALITY WE'LL HIT, BUT THEN WE'LL, WE HAVE SOME WEAK ASS.
I MEAN, I THINK HE GOES THERE.
I'LL JUST ASK THE QUESTION, BUT LEAVE IT IN Y'ALL'S HANDS.
BUT YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL PAYMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE SIMPLY PAYMENTS ALONG THE WAY.
IF WE GO THAT ROUTE BEFORE DELIVERY, UH, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THEY WERE WITH THE PREVIOUS APPARATUS.
I THINK WE PREPAID UP TO FIVE AND THEN THEY PAID AT THE END WHEN THE VEHICLE THAT WAS THERE, OBVIOUSLY OUR CHECKS AND BALANCES TO MAKE SURE WE GOT WHAT WE PAID FOR THEM.
IT JUST GOES TOWARDS THE FINAL PAYMENT, RIGHT? IT'S A PRE FAMINE, BUT IT LOCKS US.
IT'S NOT A FEE, IT'S A BANK, BUT IT LOCKS US INTO THE PRICE.
AND THEN WE PAY UPON THE BOUNCE BUNDLE.
IT, IT WAS A HOPING TO ORDER AT LEAST A LETTER OF, OF SOMETHING TO ORDER, JUST TO GET A LINE OF PRODUCTIVE, SPOTTED PRODUCTION, BUT THEN ALONG CAME, THESE PRICE INCREASES ON TOP OF THE OTHER.
SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE , IT'S ONE OF THE AREAS YOU MAKE YOUR LARGEST INVESTMENT IN.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR DOING THAT.
SO YOU GUYS THINK YOU CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY AND THIS YEAR I THINK WE COULD FIGURE IT OUT.
I'M NOT SURE WE'LL DO THE PREPAY, BUT WE WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO GET THE CONTRACT REMAIN CONSTANT.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE PRICE INCREASE.
UH, COULD YOU BRIEFLY, AND I KNOW THIS IS A BIG SUBJECT, SO ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT, IT WAS LIKE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IT IN A FIVE-YEAR THIS REPLACEMENT, UH, LET'S SEE.
MA'AM UM, THE BIG, THE BIG WOMEN THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
IT'S NOT THAT MANY ITEMS THAT THE SUV REPLACEMENT WOULD BE EITHER A STAFF CAR OR TOWED VEHICLE UTILITY VEHICLE.
UH, THE, THE TWO FIRE ENGINES WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, THE $75,000 WOULD BE THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT SPEND ALL OF THAT.
WHEN WE FLIPPING THE TWO NEW FIRE ENGINES, THERE'S EQUIPMENT ALREADY THERE FOR THOSE, UH, THE TANKER AND THEN THERE'S $8,000 FOR THE FIRE RESCUE TRAINING CENTER.
NOW WE HAVE MONEY ALREADY SET ASIDE IN THE CFP FOR THE FIRE CONTROL CENTER.
AND THE LAST TIME I LOOKED, WE HAD ABOUT 600, UH, WE STILL HAVE 600,000 REMAINING OF THE SEVEN 50.
WE STARTED WITH THIS YEAR AND WE WERE HOPING TO INVEST THAT IN THE BURN BUILDING.
AND THEN THAT WAS THE WEST CREEK FIRE STATION.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO OBTAIN A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WE'LL CALL IT A RELOCATION OF FIRE STATION TO THE CRUISER IN AND OUT OF.
SO, SO MY QUESTION IS, OKAY, UM, PLACING EQUIPMENT OR BUILDING A, YOUR STATION.
SO THIS, SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO MOVE OVER TO THE STATION.
WHERE'S THE NEW EQUIPMENT FOR THE NEW STATE.
SO THE EQUIPMENT, UH, SO BASICALLY THE WEST CREEK FIRE STATIONS MUST BE FIRE STATION.
THE, THE ACTUAL, UH, EQUIPMENT IS BUILT IN THE 8.2 MILLION, AS WELL AS ANOTHER MILLION THAT I'VE HEARD THERE MAY BE AVAILABLE AS WELL.
YOU NEED TO FIGURE A FIRE ENGINE.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, BASED ON THESE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN, IT'S PROBABLY, UH, $850,000 VEHICLE, AND WE'RE RECEIVING A NEW ANIMAL AND IT'S ON THURSDAY MORNING THAT WE PAID 2 91, 4, AND THAT'S GOING TO GO UP.
SO, SO I, I ENVISIONED THAT THE WEST CREEK FIRE STATION WOULD BE EQUIPPED WITH ONLY TWO PIECES OF APPARATUS, A FIRE ENGINE AND AN AMBULANCE.
AND THEN WE MAY ADD OVER THE COURSE OF TIME AND SOME OF THEIR OTHER EQUIPMENT AROUND IT BE PRESERVED MEANS THAT STATION.
THAT THAT WAS CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'VE GOT SIX POINT SOMETHING MILLION FOR FIVE JUST TO BILL.
SO THE TOTAL BUDGET'S 9.2 AND THEN SUBTRACT, WHAT DID YOU SAY? 800 AND A THOUSAND.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT WE KNOW PRICING IS DOING? ARE WE SURE? $7 MILLION, 700,000 IN BOTH CARS? NO, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME OF THE PREMIUM THAT WE RECEIVED, WE DID THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, MR. SHARP, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE FIRINGS STAGGERED THROUGHOUT THE 25 YEAR CIP AND THEY ALL REPLACEMENT FIRE ENGINES.
NOW I'M JUST THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
CAN WE, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT LATER.
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A PRETTY GOOD SEGUE TO MY QUESTION SHEET.AND WE'RE, WE'RE EMBARKING ON A COUPLE OF STUDIES THIS YEAR, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THOSE STUDIES WILL INFORM SORT OF AN OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE OF WHATEVER THE NEEDS ARE.
SO THERE IS ALL, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL THAT ONCE WE HAVE TO SAY NEXT YEAR, YOU'D BE COMING WITH A VERY DIFFERENT PICTURE OR NOT A VERY, A DIFFERENT PICTURE OF, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU SUPPOSED TO THINK WE NEED TO INVEST MORE HERE.
WELL, THE WAY, THE WAY I WOULD ANSWER THAT IS THE STUDY OF THE FIRE RESCUE MASTER PLAN IS, IS A CONCEPT THAT ORIGINATED AT THE LEVEL OF FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT SO THAT WE CAN BE A STRENGTH SCARRING AS POSSIBLE AND GET THAT OBJECTIVE THIRD PARTY.
UH, HOWEVER, UH, THOSE OF US WHO ARE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS, WE KNOW THE COUNTY, UH, FAR BETTER THAN ANYONE COMING IN FROM THE OUTSIDE.
AND WE ALSO ALSO KNOW WHAT'S IN THE COUNTY ALREADY AND WHAT OUR CHALLENGES ARE AS WELL AS WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
AND SO THE STUDY COULD POSSIBLY, AND WE HOPE WILL GET US SOME SUPPORTERS OF THE CITY TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN STUDY TWO, BUT WE CAN NOT MISS A BEAT AS THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY HERE, WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED, WHAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED.
WE CAN NOT MISS A DAY OR TO WAIT FOR ANY RESULTS OF THE STUDY, CORRECT.
WITHOUT THAT, I WASN'T GOING TO HEAR IT ALL NIGHT.
I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO PROBABLY THE OTHER WAY WITH THEY'D GO BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE, THAT COULD BE OVERWHELMING, BUT YOU COULD DEFINITELY BE OVERWHELMING TO HER, OUR BUDGETS, BUT, AND THEN I THINK IT'D BE REMISS WITHOUT ASKING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S NOT IN THE CIP STUDY, BUT ISN'T IT SOMETHING LIKE WHEN, WHEN, UH, UH, I DUNNO, STATION'S GOING TO BE, BUT THE EAST END FIRE STATION COMES TO THE WEST CREEK FIRE STATION COMES ONLINE IS THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL 24.
SO, SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FIVE PEOPLE ON THERE THAT THREE OF THEM RIDE THE FIRE TO THE RIDE OF THE AMBULANCE, INDEPENDENT STAFF OF EACH VEHICLE.
IF YOU, IF YOU FOLLOW THE BEST PRACTICE THAT OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE SPOT WHERE THEY THINK THE EXACT NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN NEED, AND IF YOU ARE 1.3 MULTIPLIER, AND THEN YOU GET 21 PEOPLE, AND THAT 20 DAYS 21 PEOPLE WOULD GUARANTEE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AT LEAST FIVE ON DUTY DAY AND ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR WORKERS' COMPENSATION, ANNUALLY NATIONS, USING THEIR BENEFITS AT THE OFF DUTY OF THE OTHER THREE, IT'S JUST GOING TO NOT WORK OTHER POSITIONS THAT WE ALREADY HAD IN THE STAFFING PLAN FOR OTHER LOCATIONS.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE TUNED IN BILLION DOLLAR INCREASE TO OUR SALARIES WILL BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1.5 AND $2 MILLION A YEAR.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT NEEDED, I'M NOT QUESTIONING IF NONE AND I WAS PLANNING.
SO THAT'S PART OF YOUR OPERATING PUNCHES.
UM, AND SO THE VERY LITTLE YOU CAN PLAN.
I MEAN, YOU CAN PLAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THERE, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T REALLY SET MONEY ASIDE FOR SOMETHING LIKE RECURRING.
SO YOU, YOU GOTTA HAVE THE RECURRING REVENUE FOR IT.
UH, ONE THING WE ARE DOING IS LOOKING INTO THE SAFER GRANT, WHICH WOULD KIND OF EASE US INTO IT.
IT COULD, YOU KNOW, IT PROVIDES A FULL SALARIES FOR THREE.
SO IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO CHANGE FROM THEME AND THE WAY THINGS ARE CHANGING ECONOMICALLY IN THEIR NATION, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SAY, BUT THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE LAST TWO YEARS, UH, THE SAFER GRANT HAS PROVIDED, UH, THE COST OF A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE SALARIES FOR THREE YEARS.
HOW MANY, UH, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A NO A NUMBER IT'S BASICALLY THE CASE THAT YOU MAKE AND WHAT YOU NEED IS I KNOW LOUISA COUNTY, UH, RECEIVED SOME FUNDING SAFER.
AND AS YOU ALL RECALL, WE APPLIED FOR SAFE, THIS ISSUE ABOUT RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PLANNING, BUT JUST KNOWING THAT THAT'S COMING, I MEAN, IN THAT YEAR, YOU'RE VERY PRESSED TO DO VERY LOW.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T PROBABLY ADD ANY EMPLOYEES AND THEN THE OTHER DEPARTMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A BIG HIT, LIKE, YEAH, YEAH.
IT'S ABOUT THE NUMBER WE APPROVED THIS YEAR FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS AND WE'D HAVE TO DO IT ALL FOR ONE.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, SO, YOU KNOW, OUR TREND IS THAT IT PLAYS INTO THAT NUMBER TWO, BECAUSE WE FEEL CERTAIN THAT WE WILL NOT GET THE NUMBER OF PRE-CERTIFIED.
WE QUALIFIED PERSONNEL TO TRAIN THOSE FOLKS FROM THE BEGINNING TODAY, WHEN YOU TRY TO HIRE THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS, WE HAD A HIRING PROCESS THAT OPENED, UH, MARCH 1ST AND AS OF THE FIRST OF THE WEEK, WE ONLY HAD PROBABLY A SECOND SEAT CUP, HALF FULL.
WE HAVE, THANKFULLY WE HAVE 17 APPLICANTS FOR POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE OPENED THIS YEAR AND
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SEE HOW MANY POSITIONS ARE UP.WELL, UM, WE WERE ASKING FOR FIVE, FIVE POSITIONS IN 23 AND WE HAD, WE HAD THE ELIGIBLE CANDIDATES.
AND I EXPECT THAT YOU WANT TO GET IT DONE.
THE WHEEL TOOK AROUND THE VARIOUS FIRE STATIONS.
OBVIOUSLY THE ASSOCIATION DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE MONEY TO DO THAT.
AND YOU MENTIONED THAT MAYBE LOOKING TO THE COUNTY TO ASSIST IN THAT.
AND NONE OF THAT SHOWS UP IN A YEAR.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THOSE NEEDS? WHAT COULD THEY BE SO THAT WE CAN PUT SOMETHING IN.
SO THAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, WE HAD SIX FIRE RESCUE STATIONS, FIVE OF THE SIX STATIONS ALL BY THE TRAUMA ASSOCIATION.
UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A HIGH DEGREE, A WILLINGNESS ON THE PART OF THE VOLUNTEER ASSOCIATION TO TRY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE OTHER FIREFIGHTER STATIONS.
AND ONE OF THE FIVE IN FCIP IS COMPANY TO ENCOURAGE HER THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY BECOME A COUNTY FIRE STATION RELOCATED.
AND SO TODAY I HAD ASKED EXACTLY THE DIRECTOR OF THE VOLUNTEER ASSOCIATION, MARTIN BEAN TO THE COMPANY, BECAUSE I FELT CERTAIN THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DISCUSS IT SOME LAUREN.
SO WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE FOR THE FIVE BOARD MEMBERS OUT TO THE FIVE ASSOCIATION AND THE STATIONS OVER THE LAST WEEK, AND, UH, HAD POINTED OUT SOME OF THE SHORTCOMINGS.
UM, THEY'RE POSITIONED WELL, THERE'S SOME GREAT ASSETS IN PLACE, BUT THEY'RE NOT QUITE UP TO THE STANDARDS OF THE MODERN FIRE DEPARTMENT.
MANY OF THESE WERE BUILT BACK IN THE 1950S AND HAD BEEN ADDED ON TO ABOUT EVERY 20 YEARS.
UM, THE ASSOCIATION, WHILE IT DOES ENJOY SOME GOOD SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY, UH, AS A 5 0 1 C THREE, NOT FOR PROFIT, WE RELY ON DONATIONS.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BRING ALL THE STATIONS UP TO SPEED IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, THEY WERE BUILT AT A DIFFERENT TIME FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSE.
THAT PURPOSE HAS GROWN AND EVOLVED AS THE COMMUNITY HAS GROWN AND EVOLVED.
AND WE'RE STARTING TO FEEL THAT PAIN A LITTLE BIT.
NOW, UM, I CAN GO INTO SPECIFICS BASICALLY INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY CROWDING INTO ONE BUFFER ROOM, WHICH COVID ALSO TAUGHT US WAS A BAD IDEA LIKE THAT INDIVIDUAL BUNK ROOMS FOR FOLKS IS GOOD FOR MENTAL HEALTH.
IT'S GOOD FOR PHYSICAL HEALTH AS WELL.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ADDRESSED.
UM, SO AS AN ASSOCIATION, UM, WE'VE STARTED A PLAN TO LOOK AT WHEN OUR STATIONS PRETTY MUCH NEED TO BE TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE.
ONE OF THEM IS PUSHING 70 YEARS OLD.
THAT HAPPENS TO BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, BUT SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WILL PROBABLY GO OUT OF SERVICE IN, OR THEY'RE JUST NOT WORTH INVESTING.
SO THE IDEA OF GETTING TOGETHER AND TAKING THE TOUR, BASICALLY TO GIVE THE CLIENT INFORMATION, EVERY ONCE WE CAN SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT WHAT PLANS DO WE NEED TO MAKE INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE GAPS IN SERVICES.
UM, I'M NOT PREPARED TO PRESENT WHAT THAT PLAN IS TODAY, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PRETTY GOOD GUESSES THAT IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
MR. DEAN, WHEN HE SAID WE BLANKED AT THE BUNK ROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IS THERE A POINT WHERE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO COME DOWN AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT LIKE THIS.
IT'S NOT A NICE TO HAVE, OR HAVE THEY ALREADY DONE NO INDUSTRY STANDARD SUGGEST A LOT OF THAT STUFF, EA, WHICH IS THE ASSOCIATION THAT WE SUBSCRIBE TO SAYS, UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN PLACE.
AND ONE OF THOSE SPECIFICALLY IS HAVING ALL OF OUR TURNOUT GEAR, WHICH IS OUR PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT, SEPARATE FROM THE DIESEL EXHAUST.
AND CURRENTLY ALL OF THE VOLUNTEER STATIONS HAVE ALL OF THE PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT LINED ON THE WALLS IN THE BAGS.
SO EVERY TIME THE ENGINE START GET A BURST OF BLACK SMOKE, ALL THAT PARTICULATE MATTER SITS VERY IN VERY SPECIFIC AREAS.
AND THOSE AREAS ARE SHOWN TO BE HIGHER INCIDENCES OF CANCER FOR ALL FIREFIGHTERS.
SO IT REALLY IS A HEALTH HEALTH ISSUE.
UM, THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT IS THAT STATIONS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A COMBINATION DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S WHAT WE DESIRE TO BE VOLUNTEERS AND THROUGH MEMBERS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHILE CERTAINLY THE CURRENT MEMBERS
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ARE EMPLOYEES OF THE COUNTY AND YOU HAVE A VIRGINIA ISSUE INVOLVED IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, UH, A CAREER MEMBER, WHAT A VOLUNTEER DOESN'T MEAN, ANYTHING IN A FIRE STATION THAT OTHER PERSON DOESN'T ALSO MEAN IT'S ALL ABOUT PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO, UH, WHETHER THEY BE VOLUNTEERS.SO I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, BUNK ROOMS IS ONE OF THE BIG RESOUNDING AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT AS WELL AS, UH, AS, AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR DEAN SAID, UH, THE FIRE STATIONS BUILT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE ZONE IN A HOT ZONE AND THE CALL CENTER SO THAT YOU CAN CUT.
IT KEEPS SOME OF THESE CONTAMINANTS THAT WE PICK UP IN THE FIELD IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE FIRE STATION.
SO I MEAN THAT EATING WITH THEM AND SLEEPING WITH THEM, THAT TYPE OF THING, YOU JUST WONDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE IS CAUSING CANCER TO RUN SO RAPID IN OUR PROFESSION? WE THINK IT'S THE FIRE SCENE.
WE BRING BACK FROM THE FIRE SENSE, BUT ALSO DIESEL FUEL, UH, EXHAUST IS A KNOWN PER CENT, VERY WELL-DOCUMENTED AND AS WELL, I THINK TO RETENTION PEOPLE, UM, WHEREAS YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO PROVIDE THE WALDORF RECRUITMENT AND RECRUITING PEOPLE SLEEPING SIX IN A ROOM AND TRYING TO TAKE A SHOWER AND THREE, THREE SPLIT SQUARE DINGY.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST ABOUT HAVING AN ENVIRONMENT THAT'S CONDUCIVE TO PEOPLE WANTING TO BE THERE SO THAT HE BROUGHT.
SO ARE THOSE NEEDS EFFECTIVE IN ANY OF THE NUMBERS HERE? NO.
UH, FOR OUR INFORMATION TO THAT TUESDAY NEXT WEEK, WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING ALONE TO THE ASSOCIATION FOR SOME MODIFICATIONS TO ONE OF THE FIVE STATIONS.
SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK.
WE GOT THIS DISCUSSION STARTED WITH THE VOLUNTEER ASSOCIATION ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
SERIOUSLY, AT THAT TIME WE SAID THE CIP, IT SEEMS THAT THE FIVE VOLUNTEER FIRE STATIONS, EXCEPTION OF PERJURY ARE GOING TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE VOLUNTEER ASSOCIATION.
AND I WANT TO COMMEND THE VOLUNTEER ASSOCIATION BECAUSE OF MARTIN IS A VOLUNTEER OF LIKE FIVE PLUS YEARS AND NOW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WHICH IS A DIRECT RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION WE HAD, UH, AND WILLINGNESS TO TRY TO DO ALL WE CAN DO AS AN ASSOCIATION TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS PROFESSIONAL FUNDRAISERS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I KEEP CALLING ON PEOPLE TO WORK, FEEL FREE TO COMMENT, INTERRUPT, DEFINITELY CHEAPLY.
AND THANKS AGAIN FOR THAT UPDATED TOUR AND WHATNOT.
UH, WE NEED TO PROVIDE SAFETY TO OUR MOTHERS SAFETY FOLKS, UM, WHILE THEY PROVIDE SAFETY TO US, I MEAN, IT JUST, WE NEED TO DO THAT THESE NUMBERS, THEY NEED TO WORK THEIR WAY INTO THIS AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU WHEN YOU SAID THE ROLLING STOCK AND RESPONSE EQUIPMENT IS TOP PRIORITY.
AND, AND I BOUGHT THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THE TOP 90%, ABOUT 10% OF THE LINE ITEMS TO THE LAND AND THE BRICKS AND MORTAR AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO IT ALMOST IS PRIORITIZING IF THE ROLLING STOCK IS ON TOP.
UM, AND YOUR OTHER POINT IS VERY VALID ABOUT SMOOTHING THE REPLACEMENT CYCLE OF THE ROLLING STOCK AND THEN TOP PRIORITY.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE TANKERS AND THE FIRE ENGINES.
THEY'RE ALL KIND OF SMOOTHED OUT THAT IS LUMPIER THAN BEFORE.
SO THAT'S A GREAT, WE LOOKED AT IT AS WELL.
UM, IT SAYS REPLACEMENT, REPLACEMENT, REPLACEMENT, THE OLD STUFF.
WHERE DOES THAT GO? DOES THAT KEEP IT FROM PARTS GIVEN DON'T YOU GOT A LOT OF EQUIPMENT BEING TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE THIS ONE WEEK WE HAD AN, THEY KEEP KIBERA ITEMS LONG AFTER THE SERVICE LINE.
UH, HOWEVER, UH, OVER THE PAST, UH, COUPLE OF TWO OR THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, DONATED A THINKER TO CHARLES CITY, TWO RESCUE TRUCKS, BELONGING TO THE ASSOCIATION TO, TO READ FIREFIGHTER READING AD GROUPS AND OTHER RICHMOND TROUT CITY AREA.
UM, WE'RE DOING FIRE TESTING RIGHT NOW AT STATION FIVE FOR THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT AND ANY FIREFIGHTERS THAT'S OLDER THAN 15 YEARS, WE'RE SETTING IT OFF TO THE SIDE.
AND SO SOMETIMES ANOTHER DEPARTMENT THAT HAS SAY, DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF SUPPORT.
WE USE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS, BUT WE TEND TO USE OUR ITEMS SOMETIMES WAY BEYOND THEIR SERVICE LIFE.
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SO THERE'S NO CELL PROCEEDS TO HELP OFFSET.YOU COULD SELL, YOU COULD SELL A TANK OR YOU COULD SELL A FIRE ENGINE AND EXPERIENCES HAS BEEN, UH, AT LEAST AT THE TOLL AVAILABILITY VEHICLES BECAME AFFECTED BY COVID, UH, WHAT THAT YOU GOT LITTLE OR NOTHING FOR THE SALE OF THE VEHICLE THAT WAS 20 YEARS OLD, HOWEVER, THAT COULD CHANGE AND MARKET THESE CARS HAS CHANGED.
AND THE LAST ONE WE DISPOSED OF SUPPLIES ITSELF AND BROUGHT IN ABOUT SEVEN, $7,000 FOR AN OLD AMBULANCE, PROBABLY COULD GOTTEN ON BOARD AT $2,500 FOR HAD IT BEEN A COUPLE OF DAYS.
WE HAVE A PLACE TO EVEN STORE ALL THIS EQUIPMENT CAUSE THIS WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE SOME, SOME PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT, UH, SET OUTSIDE AND STATIONS CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE APPARATUS BAY SPACE FOR, AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE BUILD A WEST CREEK FIRE STATION, UH, OUR STANDARD FOR FIRE STATION WOULD ALWAYS HAVE THREE APPARATUS, THREE DRIVE THROUGH APPARATUS STAYS BECAUSE WHETHER YOU PUT UP, IS THERE A FIRE ENGINE IN THERE WHERE A CARGO TRAILER THAT HAS EMERGENCY NAMES FOR SUPPLIES, IT GETS THINGS IN AND OUT OF OUT, WHETHER WE'RE JUST GETTING READY TO PUT A BUG IN THE CROZIER FIRE STATION, WE'LL PROBABLY PUT IT UP ON A VERY SMALL CAR TO COVER WHATEVER THE BOATS THEY DON'T USE THEM TOO OFTEN WHEN ALL OUR BOATS IN THE RIVER RIGHT NOW.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
ONE AREA THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED.
AND I KNOW MR. STEINHAUER HEARD THIS FROM OUR DISTRICT CHIEF BOAT LAKE.
WHO'S ALSO AN ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF FOR JUST YOUR FIREMEN.
YOUR MESS IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH RESERVE APPARATUS.
SO IF WE HAD A FIRE ENGINE THAT GOES OUT OF SERVICE FOR MAINTENANCE OR UNEXPECTED REPAIR, UM, AND RARELY IS IT JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN IT RAINS, IT POURS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE OR TWO UNITS AND WE CAN PULL FROM TO MAKE SURE THAT FIRE STATION HAS A FIRE ENGINE WHILE THE OTHER THAN THE SHOP.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A RESERVE FLEET OF A COUPLE OF FIRE ENGINES THAT ARE IN GOOD CONDITION THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE FOR FIRE, FOR MAINTENANCE OR SOME TYPE OF UNSCHEDULED REPAIR.
AND IF YOU'VE HAD A VEHICLE LIKE THAT, IT STARTED CAUSING YOU A MAINTENANCE CLASS, BUT IT WOULD BE THERE FOR AWHILE.
RIGHT? AND AGAIN, AS I LOOKED AT THE BOTTOM LINE, SIX YEARS, TOTAL HERE, WHERE NOW WE'RE UP OVER 190,300, AND THEN WE GAVE YOU, WE WERE BOTH LAST NIGHT AT HOA MEETING ITS CITIZENS.
LIKE MY ASSESSMENT, YOU GUYS DO ALL THAT BUDDY.
AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT NEEDS TO THERE.
UM, AND WE GOT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF SHEPHERDS AND IT CAME UP ON ONE END AND WENT OUT ON THE OTHER.
UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
THIS, THIS WILL HELP KEEP OUR RESPONSE TIMES.
UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO WATCH AS WE GET BUSIER AND THE RESOURCES AVAILABILITY GETS THINNER AND YOU CAN EXPECT TO SEE A RESPONSE TIMES, BUT THE WEST CREEK FIRE STATION GOING IN THE SERVICE, YOU SHOULD SEE THEM COME BACK THEN.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN EXPECT.
PROCEDURAL QUESTION FOUR, MEANING I HAVE QUESTIONS THAT DON'T SHOW UP ON THIS GREEN TRUCK IN THE FIVE-YEAR, BUT IMPACT CHIEF FIRE AND RESCUE FOR THE NEXT YEAR RIGHT NOW.
SO PUTTING ON MY DISTRICT TWO HAT, UM, THERE'S AN INTERESTING, SO IF I LOOK AT THE LONGTERM IN THE PORT, WE DON'T HAVE IT UP THERE, BUT, UM, YOU HAD, THERE'S A LINE ITEM FOR THE STATION TO LAND.
UH, THAT WAS STATION TWO IS CROZIER.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE STATION TWO IN 30 TO 10 YEARS FROM NOW OR 10 MILLION INCIDENTAL.
SO THEN WE HAVE THE, UH, DISTRICT TO SANDY HILL LAND AND THEN LOOKING BACK AND SIX YEARS FROM NOW.
BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND, I'VE BEEN DOING ALL THAT CAR WASH.
UM, BUT WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL IN, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE VOLUME OF CALLS RIGHT IN THAT'S GOING TO BE DOWNTOWN.
AND AT SOME OF THE OTHER ROADS, THEY'RE POTENTIALLY FINDING A INTERIM SOLUTION OF INSERT AND HOPE MAYBE NEXT YEAR, THAT WILL LAND ON THE FIVE-YEAR PAY.
MAYBE WE COULD JUST PUT SOMETHING THERE THAT'S MAYBE NOT OPTIMAL, BUT
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FUNCTIONAL AND GET IT.SO WHAT ELSE SUGGESTED, UH, DENTIST OUT, WHEREAS A CALL AT ANY PROPERTIES, BUT IF WE WERE TO PURCHASE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT EXISTING EXISTED, WE COULD POSSIBLY GET STARTED WITH A SMALL FOOTPRINT AND KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU ALL KNOW THAT FIRE STATIONS, ESPECIALLY THE VEHICLES THAT HAD ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED AS FIRE STATION, BUT IN ORDER TO GET THE PRESENCE IN SANDY HOOK, QUICKER RESPONSE, TIMES LESS DISTANCE CALLS, WE COULD POSSIBLY OPERATE THAT.
BUT A REPURPOSE LANCE FROM ANOTHER AREA WORK IN GYM, IT MIGHT BE A RESERVED PIECE OF APPARATUS, PUT THAT THERE AT WHEREVER THAT LOCATION MAY BE, UH, BUILD SOME TYPE OF, UH, INEXPENSIVE, UH, CLIMATE CONTROLLED GARAGE AND FIREFIGHTERS COULD OPERATE IN THE HOME IF THEY WEREN'T HOME ON THE PROPERTY.
I TO GET DOWN THE ROAD A FEW YEARS TO REDUCE THAT 28 FOR THE 9 MILLION BUILDING, UM, THAT COULD POSSIBLY WORK, THAT WOULD POSSIBLY ABSOLUTELY MOST DEFINITELY GO FOR THAT.
IF THERE WAS SUCH A PLACE, WE, WE HAVE SEEN YOUR RYKO COUNTY AND POST, WE KNOW ABOUT THIS BEING IN THE BUSINESS AND THE INDUSTRY, BUT WE SAW HIM LIKE A PURCHASE, A HOME BEHIND FIRE STATION EIGHT AT FOREST PATTERSON, PUT UP SOME TYPE OF METAL PIPE LINES OF HOT PIPE STRUCTURE FOR THE APPARATUS THAT THEY MAY OWN, THAT THEY'LL USE AGAIN IN A SIMILAR FASHION WHEN THEY NEED TO.
AND THEY OPERATED THAT AT HOME OR REPORT OUT ON THE STATION ON PATTERSON, NEW STATION, AND THEN THAT THEY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT DOES THINK THEY MAYBE TOOK OUT THE HOUSE.
I HEAR A SIMILAR, THERE WAS A SIMILAR CONSIDERATION IN MECHANICSVILLE AND HANNA REQUIRING EMS WAS LOOKING AT TRYING TO HAVE A PRESENCE, GET SERVICE STARTED IN AN AREA THAT NEEDED SOME ADDITIONAL SERVICE.
WHAT WE PURCHASED A BOX FOR THAT THAT'S GREAT.
A SET UP PIECE OF LAND THAT KIND OF FITS A DESCRIPTION WOULD BE ON THEN ON THE FIFTH OR GOOGLE.
AND THEN WHAT YOU HAD, WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO NOT TO HIT IS THAT, UH, AT THE VERY MINIMUM YOU WOULD NEED SIX FIREFIGHTERS.
IF YOU WORK IN A DAY, TWO FIREFIGHTERS MPS A DAY TO SERVE THE CITIZENS BASED ON THE MODEL WE HAVE TODAY.
AND THAT IS TWO PEOPLE, TWO CAREER MEMBERS, UH, THAT WOULD EITHER TAKE AN AMBULANCE OR FIRE ENGINE AND IN THE, WHAT THEY CALL TYPE WAS NOW, NO, WE, WE HOPE TO RECRUIT VOLUNTEERS FOR THE WEST CREEK FIRE STATION, OR CERTAINLY AT SANDY HOOK, BUT YOU CAN'T OPEN IT WITH THAT.
YOU'VE GOT A PLAN TO COVER IT WITH CAREER STAFF AND BE THANKFUL THAT YOU GET THE VOLUNTEERS THAT I COULD SEE SANDY HOOK STATION YOU NEEDED ONE DAY, YOU WOULD HAVE VOLUNTEERS PASSING THROUGH THAT AREA ALL THE TIME FROM THE OTHER COMPANIES THAT COULD STOP THERE AND GET A FIRE ENGINE.
AND THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT TO OPERATE.
AND YOU WANT TO BE A COMBINATION DEPARTMENT EVERYWHERE.
IF SOMEBODY'S LOOKING FOR A THIRD CAREER THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR FIGHTING RECIPES? OKAY.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO FACILITIES MANAGEMENT.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE IN HERE ON 23.
WE'VE GOT A FACILITY GROUNDS PLACEMENT, AND WE DO HAVE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT SLASH PARKS AND REC A PROJECT.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ROUGHLY 23.
YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GRUESOME SPORTS COMPLEX? UM, THE 5 23 AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THE LED LIGHTING MUST GO WITH NATURAL.
WE HAVE OUT AT CENTRAL, THOSE LIGHTS ARE SPLICED UNDERGROUND, 20, 30, 40 TIMES EVERY YEAR.
THIS PAST SEASON, WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT TIMES THAT WE EITHER LOST A WHOLE ROW OF LIGHTS OR INDIVIDUAL POLES.
THEY'RE PLAYING BASEBALL WITH NO LIGHT AT THE THIRD BASE LINE.
THEY'VE BEEN SLICED IN THE PAST.
AND THE WATER JUST GETS INTO IT.
I THINK THEIR ORIGINAL PUMPING WHEN THE FIELD WENT IN, WHICH I DO NOT KNOW THE AGE OF THAT.
IT'S SOMETHING IT'S UNDERGROUND AND IT'S BEEN SPLICED IN THE PAST AND WE'VE SPLIT THEM AND BEEN HIT IN THE PAST AND WE SPLICE THEM TOGETHER.
BUT WE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A PULLOUT RIGHT NOW
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AND IT'S SOMEWHERE ON THE GROUND.NOW, EVERY YEAR TWO TO THREE TIMES, WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE AND TRY TO FIND OUT WHERE IT'S BAD, UNDERGROUND AND NOT, I MEAN, NOT TO MENTION, WE WERE UPGRADED TO A MUCH HIGHER EFFICIENCY LED LIGHTING THAT WE CAN CONTROL FROM YOUR PHONE.
YOU CAN CONTROL THE WIFI FROM YOUR HOME FOR PROGRAMMING, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT 500,000 THAT JUST HAD MUST GO OUT THIS PAST FRIDAY.
THEY SAID ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FEW INDUSTRIES, SOME OF THE PRICE ARE POINTING DOWN, BACK DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT NUMBER WILL EVEN BE MORE FAVORABLE.
HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK, I'LL HAVE THAT NUMBER.
AND I CAN SHARE MR. ALVAREZ AND BARBARA LEDS MUST UNDERGROUND.
ALL NEW, ALL NEW WIRED LED NEW CONTROLS, EVERYTHING BRAND NEW POLES AS WELL, WHICH WILL MATCH IF YOU'VE SEEN THE LIGHTS OUT AT A CENTRAL HIGH COMPLEX.
AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T SEE THE FAIRGROUND ROADS EXTENSION IMPACTING SPORTS COMPLEX.
NO, NO, THAT, THAT FIELD, NO, THE LOWER FIELD WILL BE IMPACTED.
I'M ALSO ON HERE JUST TO POINT OUT IN THE FUTURE YEARS, UM, WITH THE COURTHOUSE COMING, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A RELOCATION OF THE GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, BUT WE HAVE SOME MONEY THERE TO KIND OF FIGURE JUST IN CASE WE HAVE TO FIND LAND.
OBVIOUSLY IN CASE WE PUT UP A BUILDING, UM, ALL TERM DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES ARE BEING CONSIDERED AT THIS POINT PER YOU KNOW, WE'RE EVEN LOOKING AT MAYBE THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER, THE CURRENT ONE, ADAPTING THAT, OR, UM, THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE OWN, UM, NEAR CENTRAL ROBINSON ROAD, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE TOWER, I THINK RIGHT AT THREE ACRES UP THERE, WHICH WOULD BE A BIG ENOUGH FOOTPRINT.
THE, WOULD IT ACROSS THE ROAD RUNS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE TOWER SITE.
UM, THE, WHAT YOU SEE FOR THE LIBRARY THERE IS, UM, THAT'S JUST ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.
UM, THE 75 DFS, YOUR, YOUR CARPET REPLACEMENT, YOUR ROUTINE, CYCLICAL, REPLACEMENTS, AND UPGRADES, HPAC EQUIPMENT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
LIFE CYCLE STUFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN 25, RIGHT? 22.
AND 26, WHAT YOU SEE FOR THE ADMIN BUILDING IS HVAC, HVAC, MAINLY HVAC.
WE'VE DONE THE CHILLER IN THIS BUILDING, WHICH WAS THE BIG HIT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
AND NOW THAT THERE'S A BUNCH OF ROOFTOP, UH, UNITS, AND SOME OTHER EQUIPMENT, SOME AGING EQUIPMENT, THE FIRE ALARM PANEL NEEDS REPLACING.
UM, LIFE SAFETY AND MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS GETTING REPLACED THERE.
UM, AND THEN THE ADMIN COMPLEX RENOVATIONS IN 27, THAT WAS WITH THE THOUGHT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL KIND OF PRE-PLANNING AND NOT AT ALMOST A WAR, BUT THAT WAS WITH THE THOUGHT OF POSSIBLY USING THE NEW, THE OLD GROUPS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AS AN EXTENSION OF SOME OF OUR OFFICES HERE.
SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, UNKNOWNS KIND OF JUST, IT'S JUST OUT THERE FOR PLANNING PURPOSES RIGHT NOW, AND THE COURTHOUSE COMPLEX RENOVATION, THAT'S KIND OF A PLACE HOLDER WITH THE IDEA THAT, AND THAT MIGHT GIVE ME MOVE BACK.
ONCE WE BUILD A NEW COURT, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VACATE THEIR OFFICES TO GO INTO THE NEW COURTHOUSE COMPLEX.
AND THAT WAS JUST A PLACEHOLDER TO TURN THOSE AREAS, HOW MOST ATTORNEYS, SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT A USABLE OFFICE SPACE FOR THE SHERIFF, OR IT WAS JUST KIND OF A PLACEHOLDER TO HAVE SOME MONEY THERE FOR THAT LONG.
AND AGAIN, IT MIGHT NOT BE A FLAT 24.
OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T BUILD THE COURTHOUSE SOONER THAN THAT.
THE COUNTY VEHICLE REPLACEMENT, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, A LOT, BUT THAT'S WORKING JUST LIKE WE'RE TALKING, UM, THE FIRE CHIEF AND DOING A FEW EVERY YEAR SO THAT WE STAY.
RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE TROUBLE IS GETTING VEHICLES, BUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE THREE VEHICLES THAT HAVE OVER 150,000 MILES ON IT AND A FULLY LOADED ANIMAL SHELTER TRUCK WITH ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING THEY NEED ON IT RUNS US 50 TO $55,000 FOR ONE, BY THE TIME THEY GET PUT IN THE OUTFIT, IT WITH EVERYTHING.
THEN THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE LOOK AT 150,000 HEADS, THE STARTING POINT OF SHOULD THEY BE CONSIDERED FOR KNEE REPLACEMENT? IF THEY'RE NOT GIVING US TROUBLE, WE HAVE SEVERAL HAVE 200,000.
WE HAVE SEVERAL, THEY HAVE A LOT MORE, BUT IF THEY'RE GIVING US TROUBLE, I TRY TO CYCLE THOSE OUT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT.
AND THAT BUDGET PAYS FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF EVERYBODY'S VEHICLES EXCEPT FOR SHERIFF FIRE.
AND YOU TOLD THEM THAT'D BE ALL THESE VEHICLES BUILDING AND INSPECTION.
THE DEPARTMENTS PAY FOR NEW AND THEY GOT A NEW EMPLOYEE PAY FOR THE REPLACEMENT.
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MR. FOSTER.WHAT'S THE 350 FOR CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL.
AS FOR WE HAD THREE SECTIONS OF ROOF OUT THERE, ONE OF HIS UPFRONT WITH EXTENSION OFFICES AND SOLON WATER THAT'S NEEDS REPLACEMENT IS LIFECYCLE OVER TOP OF WHERE THE BLACKSMITH AND THE OLD SCHOOL CAFETERIA IS.
AND THE BLACK SMITHFIELD IS NOW THAT SECTION IS UP FOR REPLACEMENT.
AND ALSO THERE'S A SECTION IN THE BACK WHERE PARKS AND RECS HAS FINISHED NOW WHERE THE OLD SHOP, THE OLD SHOP IS TALLER AND IT'S DOESN'T NEED IT, BUT EVERYTHING AROUND THAT, THAT BACK HAUL AND EVERYTHING.
AND WE ARE CHASING SOME LEAKS IN ALL OF THOSE AREAS.
IS THAT THROUGH THE ROOF? THAT'S OKAY.
SO A GOOD PORTION OF THAT BUILDING STILL NEEDS TO BE RENOVATED A VERY LARGE PORTION, WHICH WE KNOW, AND WE KNOW FROM CURRENT EMAIL TRAFFIC, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETITION FOR SPACE, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND REC IS DOING A GREAT JOB.
WHAT'S OUR PLAN TO TACKLE THAT, BRING THAT UP TWOFOLD.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE IS WE HAVE A PARKING ISSUE OUT THERE.
I THINK OUT THERE WHEN IT'S PROGRAMMING GOING ON AND HOW WE BET AT FAULT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR. ALVAREZ STUFF.
WELL, WE CALL THE BAND ROOM, WHICH IS THE FAR WINDOW I BELIEVE IS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY DEMOLISHING THAT AS AN OPTION AND PUTTING PARKING THERE AND ADDITIONAL PARKING, MAYBE MAKING THAT ALL STAFF PARKING AND PARKING FOR THE BALL FIELDS BACK THERE, I BELIEVE, UM, THE CENTER AND JESSICA CAN SPEAK MORE TO THIS WHERE THE OLD CAFETERIA IS.
I KNOW THERE WAS AD THE PLANS I HEARD WERE POSSIBLY LIKE AN ARTIST AND CENTER, MAYBE A COMMUNITY CENTER.
THAT'S DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT IS WHAT I'VE HEARD MENTIONED.
I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM FROM A DETAILED PLAN AT THIS POINT AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE WITH IT.
IS THAT TALKING ABOUT THE MILEAGE IS THAT I SAID, I HAVE NOT DONE THAT STUDY YET.
I'M NOT SURE PART OF IT COULD BE VERY WELL.
I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THE AGE, IF, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'VE NOT.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN YET.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE, THE FRONT AREA THERE.
MAYBE ADD SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING THERE WHERE YOU GOT THE LOOP.
WE'VE GOT A PRETTY LARGE GRASS AREA THERE.
WE DON'T WANT TO OBVIOUSLY MAKE THE WHOLE FRONT, JUST THE PARKING LOT FOR THE STREET APPEAL, BUT MAYBE ADD SOME PULL IN SLOTS THERE JUST TO TRY TO INCREASE PARKING.
MY GUYS WOULD APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH, BUT I SHOULD ADD NONE OF THAT IS BUILT INTO THIS.
I HAVEN'T REALLY SPENT ANY TIME LOOKING WHAT ELSE TO DO WITH THE BUILDING.
WE KNOW IT'S BIG, BUT NOT EXPENSIVE.
ONE OF OUR GOALS WHEN WE RENOVATED THE BUILDING WAS THAT IT WAS SELF-SUSTAINING.
AND WHERE DOES SHOW THAT THAT WORK WILL BE SEXIST, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH MENTIONING.
WE BOUGHT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS.
MR. FOSTER COULD BE QUALIFIED FOR A GENERATOR TO MAKE THAT A, AN EMERGENCY SHELTER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO TELL THEM.
MAYBE THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE? IS THAT I HEAR IT'S FEDERAL GRANTS OR THE GENERATORS ON ORDER.
WE EVER RECEIVED A GRANT FOR THAT AND THAT, BUT THAT IS MAINLY LOOKING AT WHERE THE GYM IS.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN RENOVATED AND RENOVATING THE BACK OLD BOYS' AND GIRLS' LOCKER ROOM, AREA, SHOWER, LOCKER ROOM AREA, AS PART OF THE DELT BRANDED TO MAKE IT A TRUE EMERGENCY SHELTER.
YEAH, IT WASN'T APPROPRIATE LOOKING AT ANY OF THE OTHER GRANTS I HAD TO LOOK INTO THAT YOU GOT AN EMERGENCY PARKING RATE.
THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION THIS IS THE NEW COURT BUILDING IS FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDING.
THE 1.5 IS COMING FROM PREMIUM.
WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING WE CAN GET THE PREMIUM OF THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS.
AND WE JUST, WELL, ALL WE DO HAVE PLENTY AND WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT LATER AT THE END, TOO, IF WE WANT TO START THE DESIGN MORE, HOW CONFIDENT ARE WE ON?
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AND 28 IS ACTUALLY MR. ALVAREZ FOUND, UM, THAT SHOWED THAT THAT WAS A GOOD PRICE FOR THAT YEAR WHEN THEY DID IT YESTERDAY.SO NOW WHERE WE DO THE ESTIMATE PREDICTED SOME INFLATION INTO IT.
SO THEY KNEW WE WEREN'T GOING TO BUILD IT AT THE TIME, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME HIGH LEVEL PLANS.
AND SO ON THAT I THOUGHT SINCE I WASN'T HERE THAT YOU MADE THIS TAKEN OUT OF THE YEAR, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS SOME WORK DONE.
AN ENGINEERING FIRM WAS HIRED AND THEY KIND OF DID A DESIGN OF THE AREA AND THE BUILDING.
AND THEY ESTIMATED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK THEY FELT WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME, COUPLE OF PERCENTAGE POINTS.
WE DON'T HAVE A RECENT UPDATE TO THAT, BUT THEY HAD PROJECTED OUT OF THEM ON ARCHITECTURAL FORM.
UH, IT WAS SOMEBODY THAT I GUESS DEREK HIRED TO COME IN AND DO THE ESTIMATE SO THAT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER THE PLANS FOR THE REFEREE.
I'VE GOT THE, I'VE GOT SOME OF THE DRAWINGS, I'VE GOT SOME.
SO IS THAT, HOW DO YOU, HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE YOU SPENT FOR THAT? IS THAT, IS THAT THOSE ARE FROM ALREADY BEEN PROCURED.
YOU DO THE DESIGN WHEN IT COMES TIME.
NO, NO, THIS WAS JUST LIKE A OVERVIEW.
LIKE IT GAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS WHERE YOU WANT TO MEET.
SOME MIGHT WANT TO LAY OUT THE, SO THEY TIE INTO LIKE OUR SPACE STUDY AND OUR MEETINGS, RIGHT.
IT WAS ACTUALLY DONE ALL AROUND THE SAME TIME.
THEY DID TALK TO EVERYBODY AND FIND OUT HOW LARGE THEY WANTED THAT COURTHOUSE TO BE.
SO I THINK WE'RE STILL PRETTY ACCURATE ON THAT IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT OFFICES WE NEED AND ALL THAT.
AND SO WAS IT USING THAT AND MEN PROJECTING OUT AT THE TIME, PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR YEARS AS TO WHAT THE PRICE MIGHT BE.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE 28.
UM, NOW WE JUST ADDED ANOTHER MILLION AND A HALF TO IT REALLY BECAUSE WE ADDED THE, THE DESIGN, SOME OF THE DESIGN WORK THAT MIGHT NOT BE, IT WOULD BE WORTH REACHING OUT TO THEM, SAY YOU'VE DONE ALL THE WORK.
WHAT I THOUGHT WHERE YOU MIGHT BE GOING IS, IS IT WORTH OUR WHILE TO SPEND THE MONEY TO HAVE IT REDONE NOW, JUST SO WE KNOW, IS THAT WELL, NOT REDONE, BUT ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS UPDATE, UPDATE RATE FOR, AND IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T COST THAT MUCH TO PADDLE MARSHALL SWIFT STUFF.
UH, I CAN SHOW IT TO SCOTT AND MAYBE HE CAN, UM, AND TARIFFS.
THAT WAS THE NAME OF THE COMPANY THAT IF THEY COULD JUST GIVE US ENOUGH TARIFFS, MAYBE THEY CAN GIVE US SOME DATA AND I CAN GIVE YOU ONE, I'VE GOT SOME SOFTWARE.
UH, THIS IS 20, 22, 20, 24 PROJECT TWO YEARS FROM NOW.
ARE WE GOING TO UPDATE THE NUMBERS EVERY SIX MONTHS? OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO, I THINK WE HAVE THE HIGHEST DEPLETION YOU'D SEE IN THAT GAME.
IT'S, IT'S PROVEN TO GET US TO SAY, OKAY, NOW LET'S START BY THAT TOO.
I MEAN THE TOMORROW THOUGH, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST DEBATE.
I CAN, SIX YEARS THEY'RE ON TO DO FOUR X BY JULY, WHICH IS 1%.
AND THE THREE BY YEAR END SEVEN, TOTAL HIKES THIS YEAR, THEIR GOAL IS TO SLOW DOWN THERE BY WAY OF INFLATION.
AND THERE'S AN OLD SAYING, DON'T FIGHT THE FED.
THE FED WANTS TO DO SOMETHING.
I THINK I KEEP GOING UNTIL THEY GET IT DONE.
SO IT'S BEEN ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS OF COMPOUNDING AT 10%, JUST THAT IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT THEY'LL PUBLISH AFTER TOMORROW'S MEETING SOMETHING, THEY CALLED THE FED DOT PLOT INTO THE PUBLIC MEMBERS DID OPEN.
THE BUCKETS COMMITTEE WILL SAY WHERE THEY THINK RATES SHOULD BE OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
AND THE LAST TIME THAT THEY DOT PLOTS, THEY SAID, IT'S GOING FROM ZERO TO TWO AND A HALF PERCENT.
LAST TIME YOU DID THAT SESSION.
SO I JUST CAUTION AGAINST FRESHING UP NUMBERS TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN TOMORROW GRADES ARE GOING TO START WITH, YOU TEND TO SLOW THINGS DOWN.
I DON'T WANNA GET OVER OUR SKIS A LITTLE BIT.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T HAVE GOING TO THE PROJECT NEXT YEAR.
UM, WE'VE GOT THE FIRE STATION TO KICK OFF.
BUT WE, MY SURPRISE WAS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO PICKED THE NUMBER OUT OF THE YEAR.
AND WE HAD ACTUALLY DONE SOME WORK TO GET YOUR SCRAPER.
SO TWO MONTHS AGO YOU SHOULD HAVE HEARD, UH, IT'S NOT THAT I'VE SEEN THAT I'VE I WAS GONNA SAY THIS TO LATER ON, BUT, UM,
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WE'VE SEEN, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD 10 YEARS, THE NUMBERS, THE REVENUE NUMBERS UP HIGHER THIS YEAR THAN ANY OF THE 10 YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, WHICH MEANS THE SUN IS SHINING BRIGHTLY AS IT POSSIBLY CAN.AND WHEN THINGS ARE BAD, WE PREPARE FOR THE GOOD TIMES.
AND WHEN THINGS ARE GOOD, WE PREPARE FOR THE BAD TIMES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT'S GOING TO BE, BUT IT'S PRETTY DARN GOOD.
SO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE WHAT ARE WE COLLECTIVELY DOING TO PREPARE FOR THE NEXT DOWNTURN? NOT THAT WE'RE HEADED AND NOT THAT IT'S COMING NEXT MONTH OR NEXT YEAR EVEN, BUT WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW? SO TRYING TO PREPARE, ARE WE INCREASING OUR RESERVES? ARE WE LOWERING THE MILES PER VEHICLE ON THE COUNTY VEHICLES, A SHERIFF AND FIRE RESCUE? ARE WE, ARE WE DOING THINGS TO KIND OF STORE AWAY SOME ACORNS THAT WE CAN LIVE OFF OF BECAUSE WHAT WE NEED AT THAT TIME, THEY CUT MOST OF OUR EXPENSES, PEOPLE WE DO NOT WANT TO HIRE AND FIRE.
SO THEN NOW WE'RE LEFT WITH THE OTHER THINGS.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TO RETREAT PAYING EXPENSES? ARE WE BUILDING SOME RESERVES THAT WE CAN DRAW ON DURING THE BAD TIMES? THAT'S A BIG PICTURE.
JUST THROW IT OUT THERE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GROW INTO 10% OF YOUR GROWTH AND THEN HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DRAMATIC.
SO THANK YOU FOR KIND OF BRINGING US BACK.
WHEN I, WHEN WE'RE SEEING ALL OF THE PROJECTS IN THE ROUNDUP, EVERYTHING'S COMING IN SO MUCH HIGHER AGAIN, MATE, WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANNA DO IT EVERY SIX MONTHS, BUT TO HAVE EVEN JUST MORE VISIBLE IS ONE OF THE 28 IS, OR MORE LIKE 34 OR IS IT MORE THAN 26? AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE DO FOR THE SERVERS, BUT JUST KIND OF KNOWING EVEN FINGER IN THE WIND.
WE WERE A LITTLE OFF OR WE'RE PRETTY OFF ON THIS.
I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A GOOD, GOOD THING TO DO.
AND I COULD TELL YOU, WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WAS SAID, AND I CAN SHARE A BUCK WITH YOU AND TELL YOU WHAT ASSUMPTIONS ARE MADE AS FAR AS, AND MAYBE WE CAN STOP ANY PICTURE.
BUT IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, YOU THOUGHT YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU THOUGHT MAYBE SOME OF THE THINGS WERE FROM HERE, BUT IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED AND THEN WE CAN TALK MORE YOURSELF, ARE THERE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE MISSING, SOME IMPORTANT ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE DID TAKE, BUT THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT IN THAT.
AND I GUESS YOU DON'T HAVE JUST HAD NO, WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE SCHOOLS, HELPING THE SCHOOLS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
I GUESS MY MINDSET HAS BEEN WELL, THE SAME IS GOING TO HAPPEN THE COURTHOUSE, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE CASE BECAUSE THE SCHOOLS ALSO HAD TO DECIDE, UH, THEY HAD AN IDEA OR THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DID SIMILAR WORK.
SO I MEAN, NO PROBLEM, BUT I MEAN, AND THEN 28 WILL BE FUNDED BY SUBSEQUENT FOLLOWING DEBT, WHICH COUPLE OF YEARS OUT THAT NUMBER 28 TO GO WITH THIS 28, THAT DEBT INSURANCE COVER IS NOT, THERE'S NO WIGGLE ROOM IN THAT THAT'S BEEN CHEWING GRANTED, RIGHT? THERE'S NO, WELL, IT'S TWO 30 INSTEAD OF 28.
SO YEAH, THE IDEA OF SCOPING THE PROJECT OR LIVING WITH INTERNET, WE CAN'T JUST PUMP THAT NUMBER HAS DONE, HAS BEEN VOTED ON.
WE HAVE TO KNOW WHERE THE, WHERE THE ACCIDENT IS COMING FROM.
UM, IT'S TOUGH TO BUILD RESERVES.
WHEN YOU FIND OUT THAT YOU GUYS SPENT FOUR OR FIVE HOURS MORE THAN YOU THOUGHT ON YOUR SIDE, JUST THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE PUTTING A FINGER ON WHAT THE BIG PROJECTS COST, AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A SURPRISE, APPRECIATE THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT A COURT ISSUE, UM, COMPLEX, I BELIEVE THAT HE OR SHE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO THE 85,000 IS FOR THE SPORTS AND INCREASING THE SECURITY FOR PEPSI AROUND THE BASEBALL FIELD THERE, THE NORTH RECREATION COMPLEX, WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH J SARS THAT PARKS AND REC WILL MAINTAIN THE FACILITIES.
AND OVER THERE IN 10 SPORTS ARE HERE AS I'M SORRY.
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THAT, WOULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN, THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN PARKS AND REC AND J SERGEANT REYNOLDS, IS THAT WE WILL MAINTAIN THE FACILITIES AND THAT KIND OF SUPPORT IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF REPAIR AS WELL AS THE BALL FIELD.THE TENNIS COURTS FACILITY IS NOT THE ENTIRE FIELD.
NO, WE, WE MAINTAIN THE AGREEMENT IS THAT WE MAINTAIN THE AREA AROUND THE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES.
SO THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE BALL FIELD, THEY LET US USE THEM FOR FREE.
AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS MAINTAIN THERE'S ONE BALL FIELD, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS ONLY SUITABLE FOR T-BALL BECAUSE OF THE LOW FENCING SAYING IT'S GOING TO HIT, WHOEVER IS SITTING HERE, THE FENCE IS WASTE TIME.
UM, THERE'S ALSO NO OUTFIELD FENCE.
THERE'S A TREATMENT THAT WON'T BE OUT .
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'D BE GETTING THAT FIELD.
I MEAN, ATTITUDE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO RUN DURING WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO CATCH A BALL.
UM, BUT SO THAT WOULD GET THE FIELD PLAYABLE FOR OTHER AGE GROUPS AND SUITABLE CONDITIONING, AS WELL AS THE TENNIS COURT HAS CRACKS IN IT, IF IT NEEDS TO BE RESURFACED, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF THAT MONEY.
AND WE DO, WE USE THE TERM SCHOOL, DID WE GET, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY REVENUE FROM THAT? WE HAVE PROGRAMS OUT THERE FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S, IT'S A PUBLIC FACILITY.
IT'S THE ONLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TENNIS COURTS OVER AT THE HIGH SCHOOL CAN BE USED OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL HOURS AND THEIR TESTS, CLUBS, AND TEAMS AREN'T USING THEM.
BUT THESE ARE REALLY THE ONLY PUBLIC TENNIS COURTS IN THE TOWN.
AND, UM, THERE'S NO TRACTOR IS THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, THAT PROJECT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MOVED TO TRANSPORTATION, SO, WELL, I DON'T KNOW AUSTIN'S UP TO DATE ON IT YET, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THE FIRST PHASE OF EAST END TRAILS.
AND I THINK THE IDEA WAS THERE WOULD BE SUBSEQUENT TRAILS.
THE SUBSEQUENT PHASE WAS, BUT OUT OF PARKS AND REC, AND THIS IS THE EAST CENTRAL THAT YEAR OR TWO AGO, THE FIRST PHASE BETWEEN HARDYWOOD DOES ANY OF THAT? YEAH, SO WE ARE CURRENTLY DUE, BARRY SUBMITTED THE BIRTH ROUND OF PLANS FOR OUR REVIEW.
UH, WE'RE WORKING ON A PAPERWORK SHUFFLE TO RESTART THE FUNDING TIMELINE, BECAUSE AS YOU INDICATED AT FIRST KIND OF CAME AROUND A YEAR OR TWO AGO, BUT WE KIND OF DON'T, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THINGS STALL THE WAY THAT THEY DID, BUT THE FUNDING TIMELINE WAS KIND OF RUNNING OUT.
SO WE'RE JUST DOING A PAPERWORK SHUFFLE ON THAT AND FEED OUT IS FINE WITH THAT.
IT'S JUST GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS ON THAT AND THEN WE'LL GET DEWBERRY PLANS APPROVED.
AND THEN THE FIRST PORTION OF THE TRAIL FROM THAT WEST CREEK EMERGENCY CENTER TO HARDY WOULD, WOULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
HOPEFULLY THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNED EASEMENTS YET, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF EASEMENTS INVOLVED FOR TRYING TO IN MANY PLACES, BUT WE HAVE TO AMEND IT.
WE'LL HAVE RECREATIONAL USE THE, THAT IN ADDITION, THERE'S A DUCKS UNLIMITED CONSERVATION EASEMENT OVER PORTION OF THE PLAN.
SO THERE'S BEEN SOME WORK WITH THAT.
WE DO HAVE A CONSULTANT UNDER CONTRACT FOR THOSE EASEMENTS TO GET THOSE PLANS DRAWN UP.
UM, JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION ON THE ELK ISLAND.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT MY LAUNCH AREA, WHATEVER, UH, WE HAVE ALL THE EASEMENTS THERE, THE 30,000 AND IT WAS A FEW YEARS OUT.
YEAH, THAT WAS THAT AREAS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE ISLAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER.
AND IT'S BASICALLY JUST KIND OF LIKE, SO IT WAS ABOUT CLEARING THAT OUT AND MAYBE PUTTING A COUPLE PICNIC TABLES AND BUILDING SOME PARKING.
NOW HAVE THE PROBATION SYSTEM, UM, SPEAK ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UM, EVERYTHING HAS DIFFERING, SO I'LL LET THEM, YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
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THE INTERNET ON MY INCREASES OR THIS COMING YEAR, THE SEVENTH, UH, NORMALLY, UH, SERVER REFRESH.IT'S INCREASED TO 70 THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A BIG UPGRADE OF OUR VM-WARE ENVIRONMENT.
QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN WE PUT OUR VMWARE LACE RESPECTED WITH TWO SERVERS AND WE EXPECTED TO BE REDUNDANT SO THAT IF ONE WENT DOWN, TAKE THE LOAD OF THE VIRTUAL SERVERS THAT WERE ON ONE BALE OVER TO THE OTHER AND EVERYTHING WAS STILL RUNNING.
AND WE'VE GROWN TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE ABOUT 50 VIRTUAL SERVERS RUNNING ON THOSE TWO HOSTS SERVERS.
AND ALTHOUGH THEY'RE THERE, THE LOAD ON EACH IS FINE.
IF WE HAD ONE EVER WENT DOWN, IT WOULD BE TOO MUCH LOAD OFF OF ONE THING.
SO THIS UPGRADED STUFF BY TWO MORE POSTS SERVERS TO SPREAD THE LOAD OUT OF OUR VIRTUAL SHEETS.
SO IF THAT EVER DOES, WHAT'S THE LICENSING, THE OTHER INCREASE YOU SEE THERE FOR THE AZURE CLOUD SERVER, UM, 15,000 THIS COMING YEAR IS FOR, WE HAVE OUR SAME DEVICES, OUR STORAGE AREA NETWORK DEVICES ARE DEVICES.
AND WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SPOKE TO HIM, IT WAS ABOUT 13 TERABYTES.
WE'RE NOT REALLY CLOSE TO THAT, BUT WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPACE OF THOSE 13 TERABYTES.
AND INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND BUYING ANOTHER UPGRADE TO THE NET APP, THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED NETAPP CLOUD TIERING AVAILABLE THAT WILL MOVE SOME OF OUR UNUSED SPACE ON OUR NETAPPS, UP TO THE CLOUD, BUT STILL BE ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THE INTERNET.
IT'S A LOT CHEAPER THAN BUYING A WHOLE NEW SAME UPGRADES.
EVENTUALLY WE WANTED TO REPLACE OUR SAND AND YOU'LL SEE THAT OUT.
THE SAND STORIES LINE ITEM, YOUR END OF LIFE IMPORTANT THAT, SO WHEN WE WRITE ON THOSE AND THERE'S ABOUT 50 DIFFERENT SERVERS AROUND THE COUNTY, UM, NUMBER OF THINGS ABOUT MY NATURAL MUNIS APPLICATIONS, OUR INNER GOVERNORS IS NOW ON THAT, THAT WHILE THIS MAY NUMEROUS, WE STILL HAVEN'T EMAILED.
IT'S STILL ALL HOOKED TO THEM.
IS THAT AN OFFICE AND THAT STUFF? UM, SO WHAT IS THE AZURE CLOUD SERVER HOBBY 20,000? WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S JUST, I'VE PUSHED THAT OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES.
WE HAVEN'T USED THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.
IN CASE WE HAVE TO MOVE STUFF FROM ON-PREM TO THE CLOUD, I'M HEARING RUMORS IN MY, I HAVEN'T SHARED THIS WITH YOU YET.
SO THIS IS I'M HEARING RUMORS IN MY PEER GROUP, THAT TITAN, THAT MUNIS IS GOING TO FORCE CUSTOMERS TO GO TO THE CLOUD IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PUT IT IN, WE PUT THE SYSTEM IN A FEW YEARS AGO, WE DECIDED TO GO ON FOR HIM TO SAVE THAT MONEY AND TO SECURE OUR DATA AT THE TIME.
BUT AT SOME POINT, IF THEY FORCED US TO THE CLOUD, WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE CLOUD.
AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO INCREASE OUR STORAGE ON THE CLOUD, OUR AZURE CLOUD, ANYTIME YOU PAY FOR STORAGE ON AZURE CLOUD, IT COSTS MONEY.
WELL, DO YOU MIND IF I JUST SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, AND YOU CAN, THIS IS YOUR AREA OF KNOWLEDGE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE DOING WHAT ABOUT THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING TOWARDS THE CLOUD AND INCREASED CAPACITY IN THE CLOUD, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE 175 FOR THE SAND.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE DATA ON BOTH PLACES, RIGHT? AND 13 TERABYTES.
WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING IS THAT AND THAT SAND REPLACEMENT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S JUST TO REPLACE THE STORAGE DEVICES THEMSELVES.
IT COULD EVENTUALLY GO TO THE CLOUD.
WE THOUGHT THAT FAR AHEAD, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NICE TO HAVE EVERYTHING ON FRAME IN CASE.
SO I'VE DONE SOME OTHER THINGS.
AS YOU GUYS KNOW IN THE LAST YEAR TO PREPARE ONE INTERNET, WE HAVE TWO INTERNET PIPES.
NOW ONE GETS CUT AROUND THE OTHER.
SO I'M TRYING TO GET THE NETWORK READY TO BE REDUNDANT IN CASE CATASTROPHE HAPPENS.
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WELL, YEAH, I THINK YOU WANT TO BE VERY PRODUCTIVE BECAUSE, WELL, I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING THE THINGS WENT DOWN, PEOPLE WITH INTERNET GOES DOWN, YOU CAN STILL, AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE AUTOCRATIC THINGS.I MEAN, YOU'RE IN A DYNAMIC FIELD AND YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A WHILE LIKE GOING TO THE CLOUD AND THEN PEOPLE START SAYING, IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE TO BRING THINGS BACK, BUT THAT'S JUST A LOT OF MONEY.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I'M PAYING RIGHT NOW FOR STORAGE FOR OUR FIVE, FOR THIS IS THE ONLY THING WE DO RIGHT NOW.
WHEN YOU ADD YOUR CLOUD BACKUPS, WE PAY AROUND 25 AND 30,000.
IF WE HAVE SORT OF SERVICES GOING TO BE UP AROUND A HUNDRED THOUSAND, CAN YOU SAY THEY WOULD FORCE US TO KNOW THEIR RESPONSE REALLY WELL, PUSHED HER OUT.
THEY WON'T SUPPORT THAT APPLICATION UNLESS WE MOVE, WE WOULD NEED A NEW APPLICATION.
IF WE WANTED TO STAY ON BRAND, WE WOULD ENTERTAIN AND THEY WOULDN'T LET YOU DO THAT TO HELP THE CODE.
SO THEY'D SAY WE NO LONGER SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SERVER VERSION.
WE WANT TO GO CLOUD, UH, JUSTIN WE'RE ON, THIS IS MUNIS.
IS THAT A WIDELY USED SYSTEM OF THE WIDELY USED? SO THAT'S A LOT TO ASK ALL THE COUNTIES IN OUR COMMUNITIES TO GO TO THE CLOUD.
AND SOME OF THAT, WE HAD THE OPTION.
OH, WELL, FIVE YEARS AGO, I THINK WE FELT, I THINK I WAS TOO, YOU KNOW, WE FELT THAT WE WANTED TO KEEP IT IN TOWELS.
WE WANT TO PROTECT IT, NOT BE OUT WHERE SOMEBODY COULD, COULD HIJACK THE DATA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I'M GOING TO SHOW THAT IT'S NOT EVEN BETTER NOW IN THE CLOUD.
AND IT WASN'T, BUT, BUT ALL THE MAJOR, A LOT EASIER FOR THE VENDORS TO MANAGE IT ON THE CLOUD AND THE, THAT THE SUPPORT THROUGH DIFFERENT THERAPY SAP, A LOT OF THE BIG ERP SYSTEMS ARE MOVING THAT WAY.
I MEAN, AT SOME POINT THE SAME STORY MAY GO IN THE CLOUD.
SO IT MAY BE REDUNDANT TO HAVE THOSE TWO LINE ITEMS, BUT AGAIN, I'VE PUSHED OUT THE AZURE CLOUD SERVER LINE ABOUT EVERY YEAR.
IT'S THE GIS ARIEL INVENTORY UPDATE.
IS THAT JUST SOMETHING OPTIONAL? THEN WE DECIDED IT'S TIME TO DO IT.
WE JUST SAY, HEY, GO, GO DO THAT.
THAT THE STATE FLIES EVERY 40.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IT ALL AT 22 AND YOU SEE IT AGAIN.
CAMERA'S NEVER DREAM TO FLY OVER EVERY COUNTY IN THE STATE.
AND THEY PROVIDE YOU A CERTAIN LEVEL OF IMAGERY AT NO DOCKS.
EVERY GUN IN STATE GETS A CERTAIN LEVEL, BUT IF YOU WANT THE UPGRADED IMAGERY WITH THE SURFACE FOOTPRINTS AND A HIGHER, HIGHER LEVEL OF RESOLUTION THAN WHAT THEY PROVIDE YOU, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA PAY EXTRA AND THEY GIVE YOU A COST SCALE.
BUILD IN A LITTLE BIT OF INFLATION COSTS.
IN THAT I KNOW WE WERE TAKING A LOOK AT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REPLACING THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM.
UM, IS THAT ALL DONE THAT WELL, WE HAVE, YOU STILL HAVE TO TREASURE AND COMMISSIONER JOBS IS ACTUALLY RAN.
HE'S INVOLVED IN THAT PROJECT AND INVOLVED IN THAT.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS AND RIGID PAST YEAR, WANDA WAS INVOLVED IN TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING THE WAY THAT PAM AND JENNIFER WANTS IT FOR.
AND WE STILL HAVE MONEY LEFTOVER.
WE HAVEN'T BUDGETED FROM THE ORIGINAL PROJECT.
I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 800,000 LEFT OVER FROM THE CIP MONEY.
SO THERE'S NO CIP, THAT'S A CRITICAL THING WE NEED TO DO.
IT WAS VERY, VERY HARD FOR THEM TO MOVE UP BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO MEAN A LOT OF CHANGES TO THEM, BUT IT'S AN OUTDATED SYSTEM, PERHAPS THE ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT IT IS IT BECAUSE IT'S UPDATED AND NOT MANY USERS, THERE'S NO HACKERS OUT THERE,
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BUT, UH, ANYWAY, BUT THAT'S KIND OF A, I THOUGHT MAYBE SOME OF IT WOULD BE HERE, BUT IT'S NOT OKAY.I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE KANSAS TO, FOR THE SHERIFF, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE THE SHERIFF'S SECTION OR IF THAT'S NOT THE RECURRING PC REFRESHES, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN? ACTUALLY, I HAVEN'T SPENT CLOSE TO $70,000 IN THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
IT RUNS ABOUT AROUND 40, WELL, NOW IT STAYS IN THIS PROJECT.
SO IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, SO, SO YOU'VE BEEN SPENDING 40, THE LAST FEW YEARS, BUDGET 70, THERE'S STILL, THERE'S SURE THAT MONEY IS STILL IN HIM, IN HIS CIP.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE THINK WE SHOULD UP AND TIGHTEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
AS WE ADD MORE FLIP FLOYD THAT WILL COST MORE.
AND IT IS A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IT WAS IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN GOING TO MORE LAPTOPS ONCE WE LEARNED THAT PEOPLE NEED THEM TO WORK AT HOME.
SO BEING AROUND 40 TO 50 AND HAVE YOU MOVED MO WHAT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE YOU MOVED TO LAPTOPS? AND I ASSUME THEY'RE LIKE, DOCKABLE SO PEOPLE CAN BRING THEM IN SOUTH BOUND OR THEY GO, OH GOSH, IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, PROBABLY 70%.
YOU KNOW, WE, WHEN THE PANDEMIC HIT, WE HAD A PLAN IN PLACE TO GET THAT EVEN HIGHER.
SO WE'RE NOT EVEN, UNLESS THEY ASK FOR THE DESKTOP.
NOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE ON MY LAPTOP AND STUFF AND THEY GIVE US A NEAT PAGE AND A GOOD CASE SCENARIO AND SAY WHY? UH, SO THAT WAS A FOUR YEAR PLAN.
SO THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO, STARTED DANCING THE NEGATIVE YEAR.
I THINK THAT GIVEN THE HISTORICAL STANDARD, I THINK THERE STILL ARE BECAUSE, I MEAN, HOPEFULLY PCS OR OTHER PRIVATE GOING UP IN PRICE, BUT NOT, IT'S JUST HARDER TO GET THEM IN FRONT OF PRICE.
IT'S JUST BACK TO WAIT 2, 3, 4 MONTHS SOMETIMES JUST TO GET IT ORDER LAPTOPS.
OH, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF.
LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTES, BIG HAND ON THE NINE DON'T PAY ATTENTION.
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IT'S NOT GOING TO TRY TO GET THE GRASS GRASS AND SHE MUST'VE JUST FIRST ENGLISH YOU COULD PROBABLY PICK HER UP.WE'RE GOING TO SHERIFF THE THREE MINUTES.
SEE MR. SHERIFF IN THE HALLWAY.
AND THEN WHAT WE'LL MARK IT DOWN FROM MR. TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE WITH THE SHERIFF'S REPORT.
RIGHT? THE SHERIFF ONLY HAS THREE THINGS IN HIS FIVE-YEAR CIP.
UM, HE PLACEMENTS ARE RECORDING EVERY YEAR VEHICLES ON THE ROAD, INCORRECT.
UM, HE HAS A $500,000 MOBILE COMMAND POST AND FYI 45 AND REPLACE WEAPONS SYSTEM.
AND HALF-WHITE 27 MOBILE COMMAND POST IS FOR USE FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND FIRE AND RESCUE.
IF THERE WAS ANY KIND OF MAJOR INCIDENT WHERE THEY NEED TO SET UP A COMMAND POST, UM, THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY, WHY HAVE, I GUESS, TO THE, TO THE, UM, AND MANAGE WHATEVER THEY NEED TO MANAGE UP.
AND THEN THEY REPLACE THEIR WEAPONS EVERY 10 YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE, UM, WORKING WEAPONS, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT FOR THE SHERIFF AND CURRENT CURRENT WEAPONS FOR THE FIVE-YEAR CIP.
AND YOU AND MATT ASKED ABOUT THE CAD SYSTEM.
I DO KNOW THERE IS SOME MONEY SET ASIDE AND IN FACT, THEY WERE ABOUT TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THAT OF ABOUT, OH, BUT ANYWAY, THEY WENT BACK TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THAT.
AND THEN, UM, WE FOUND OUT THAT THE COMPANY THAT THEY WERE WORKING WITH AND THAT THEY WANT TO WORK WITH HAS SOME FINANCIAL TROUBLES AND WE KIND OF BACKED OFF ON IT AND DECIDED TO LOOK AROUND SOME MORE.
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AND SO, UM, THAT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO.SO I DON'T, I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY REALLY WANT TO UPDATE THAT SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S QUITE DATED.
BUT, UM, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE IS SOME MONEY THEY DID RECENTLY GET ANOTHER UPDATE ON THAT COMPANY AS WELL.
AS I KNOW, THAT WAS THEIR PREFERRED COMPANY BECAUSE IT'S THE SYSTEM THEY HAVE NOW.
BUT AT ANY RATE, THAT'S THE OPERATING BUDGET AND NOT HERE IT'S, IT WAS BUDGETED PREVIOUSLY.
WE JUST ALREADY HAVE THE MONEY FOR THAT.
POST YEAH, SOMETHING THEY CAN TAKE TO AN EMERGENCY.
UH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE, BUT I KNOW HANOVER HAS ONE AND IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG RV.
YOU KNOW, IT'S KINDA LIKE LOADED WITH ALL THIS STUFF AND BEER AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
CURRENTLY THEY HAVE A TRAILER AND HAVE TO COME TOW IT, AND IT'S GOT A TOWEL THAT RISES UP AND THEY CAN SET UP RADIO COMMUNICATIONS.
THEY CAN COMMUNICATE, THEY CAN USE THEY TO COMMUNICATE WITH OTHER LOCALITIES SO THAT IF THERE'S A MAJOR EVENT THAT COME IN POLITICS, WHOMEVER, AND THEY CAN SET THE RIGHT FREQUENCIES, UH, THEY JUST, THEY USE TESTED AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR OVER HERE RENTALS, THEY WILL GET PEOPLE COMING IN ON A WEEKEND.
AND I THINK WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR NOW IS ONE THAT THEY CAN DRIVE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO HITCH IT UP TO TAKE.
I BELIEVE THAT THE FIRST, THE LAST ONE WAS PURCHASED, UH, AFTER 2001, WHEN LONG HOMELAND SECURITY PROVIDED A LOT OF VEHICLES.
SO IT'S AT LEAST 20 YEARS OLD.
I THINK THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE ON THIS IS BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM, FROM CHIEF FERGUSON.
I WONDER IF THE ORDERING OF THESE VEHICLES AND TIMEFRAME, IF DO WE WANT TO SHIFT MAYBE A COUPLE OF, SO THAT WE'RE GETTING YOURS INSTEAD OF WE HAVE STOCK.
I KNOW THEY'VE GOTTEN DIFFERENT NOTICES ABOUT WHEN THEY HAVE TO ORDER.
NOW THEY HAVE LIKE A WEEK'S TIMEFRAME WHERE THEY CAN MAKE THEIR ORDER AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE ORDER READY AND THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT IT DURING THAT WEEK.
AND IT'S LIKE, EVERYTHING ELSE, UNFORTUNATELY, THINGS ARE BACK UP .
SO YOU'RE ORDERING THESE PEOPLE'S FAMILY HOPE TO GET THEM IN HERE.
WHAT'S THAT, UM, WE'VE EVER HAD TO USE, HAVEN'T USED IT FOR PRACTICE.
WE HAVEN'T HAD, LUCKILY WE HAVEN'T HAD A MAJOR EVENT WHERE WE NEEDED TO BRING IN OTHER MODALITIES.
I MEAN, I'VE TRIED TO ENVISION WHEN YOU MIGHT USE IT.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A FEW YEARS BACK.
YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, UH, CSS TRACKS, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ONSITE OF BURNS.
IMAGINE WHERE IT NEEDS PERMANENT PRESENCE THERE FOR SOME EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
THAT'S YOU DON'T THAT NEVER HAPPENS, BUT YOU KNOW, CHLORINE ANCHOR OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT'VE ACTUALLY USED, THEN WE DROVE IT TO THE SCENE THAT WOULD BE FIRE RESCUE, FIRE, AND RESCUE.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING THAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT JOINING SENATOR.
WE BUILT FOR A COMMAND CENTER IF SIRIUS AND NORTHERN STATE PROBABLY DOES INVOLVE BOTH OF THEM.
OH, YOU FEEL THESE PROJECTS LIKE CONNECTION FEES.
THERE ARE A FEW PROJECTS IS HERE AND YOU CAN DISCUSS THAT WITH ALRIGHT.
UH, THE ONLY PROJECT WE HAVE ALL ACTUALLY NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO IL SEWER BORDER SERVICE PROJECT.
THAT PROJECT IS ALREADY IN DESIGN.
WE ANTICIPATE HAVING DESIGN WRAPPED UP THAT PROJECT THIS YEAR.
SO THE TOTAL COST FOR BOTH THE WATER AND THE SEWER PROJECT IS JUST OVER $2.5 MILLION.
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FROM IS OUR PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT THAT WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED FOR THE PROJECT.UM, IN YEARS PAST THAT NUMBER WAS MUCH HIGHER, UH, W WITH THE HIGH LEVEL NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE, UH, OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN, AS WE'VE DONE MORE ENGINEERING, AS WE SOLVE MORE THAN THE UNKNOWNS, UH, IN THE PROJECT NUMBERS COME DOWN, WHICH IS WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS WITH THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, NOT MUCH IS CHANGED FROM YEARS PAST.
UH, WE EVALUATE PROJECTS ON A YEARLY BASIS, ONE, UH, CAPACITY, UH, AS FAR AS FINANCIALLY, CAN WE DO IT? DO WE HAVE THE CONNECTION TO USE, UH, THE BANK AND WE HAVE THE CASH TO DO THESE PROJECTS SLATED AS CASH ON THE PROJECT SO THAT YOU MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO THE PROJECTS FIRST.
UH, THE SECOND IS TIME CAPACITY, AS FAR AS, UH, WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, DO WE HAVE STAFF THAT CAN ACTUALLY DO STUFF? SO WE EVALUATE THEM ON A YEARLY BASIS.
UH, IT'S WORKED OUT WITH ON YEARS AS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE LOT PROJECTS.
YOU SEE A COUPLE SHIFTS HERE, THERE, OTHER THAN THAT, ANY, OR STANDING THAT TO THE 22, THE FORCE MAIN, UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT IS NOT CONSIDERED A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT IS A REHAB PROJECT ARREST OR RELAXATION.
THAT'S ALL I'VE GOTTEN FROM THAT PROJECT.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, NO, BUT THAT IS NOT IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
IT DOESN'T FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY OF UTILITY CAPITAL STUDY, ANY CAPACITY RIGHT NOW, AT SOME POINT WE MAY WAY DOWN THE ROAD.
WE MAY ACTUALLY PLAN OUT OUR PROJECTS AND WHICH TIME WE COULD BRING THAT FORWARD, BUT THAT'S THIS WASN'T PLANNED.
AND, AND WE'RE HOPING NOT TO HAVE ANY OTHERS OR THAT'S RIGHT, ACTUALLY IN OUR UTILITY MASTER PLAN AS A BRAND NEW SECTION, WE ADDED IN 2020 UPDATE, UH, WAS A REMINDER REPLACEMENT SECTION.
AND IT HAS A FAIRLY ROUGH SCHEDULE OF RNR PROJECT CENTER BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE.
IT'S A PLAN OUT BEYOND THE TIME PERIOD OF THE MASTER PLAN.
A LOT OF THEM HAD MADE IT ALL THERE AGAIN, BUT AS FAR AS SALE YARDS PROCESSES DEVELOPED SOME SIMILAR TO, UM, AND THEN MASTER PLAN THERE'S MAPS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN THIS FIVE-YEAR WINDOW, WE'RE GOING TO COVER THESE HASH MARKS.
HOW DOES THIS STUFF TELL WHAT THAT IS, THAT DOES THIS BRING FORWARD TO PRESENT THE ONES THAT WERE IN THAT NEXT FIVE-YEAR WINDOW? OR ARE THERE, DID SHE EVER GO WITH THAT QUESTION? OR THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.
I ACTUALLY GOT TO PRINT OUT RIGHT HERE AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE.
SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE RIGHT HERE IN OUR MASTER PLAN, WE HAVE A QUALITY PLAN IT'S OVER THE PERIOD THAT COVERS 20 YEARS HERE, ALL OF OUR, TO PREVIOUS FOR 20 YEARS, WHAT WE DID, SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAKE IT ON HIS BAT OR GEARED TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
BASICALLY, IF YOU WANT TO DEVELOP THIS AREA PLAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXTEND WATER SERVICES, SEWER SERVICE TO YOUR PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS HOW IT HAS TO BE LAID OUT.
ALL THE STITCHES NEED TO BE PUT IN.
SO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE DEVELOPED PROJECTS, UH, THE OTHER PROJECTS OR COUNTY PROJECTS, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE THEY ON THIS LIST.
SO THIS LIST IS BASED OFF OF THE MASTER PLAN.
UH, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN DOESN'T MEAN IT MAKES IT ON THIS LIST BECAUSE IT COULD BE A DEVELOPER DRIVEN AS OPPOSED TO COUNTY DRIVEN.
THE MASTER PLAN DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND IT WAS JUST, THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE PLEADED TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS, WHETHER THE DEVELOPER DOES IT OR WHEN.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MASTER PLAN, UH, AS THE TRUNK LINE IS GETTING EXTENDED, EVENTUALLY YOU STARTED PASSING PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE BUILT 50 OR 60 YEARS AGO, EITHER WITH, YOU KNOW, FAILING SEPTIC OR WATER.
WELL-WATERED, IT'S QUESTIONABLE, WHATEVER A FIRE STATION, BUT A, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THEN AS YOU PASS THOSE, YOU'VE GOT A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE OF A HUNDRED, 200 HOMES, WHEREVER IT JUST HOOKS UP RIGHT AWAY.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR AND SAY, PASS IT IN BANK, GOT A WHOLE DEVELOPMENT ALREADY BUILT OUT.
AND SO I KNOW SOME OF THAT WAS A LONG RIVER OF A LOT OF PATTERSON ALONG SOME OF THE OLDER DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THE FENCE AREAS THAT YOU COULD JUST
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LOOK UP, YOU KNOW, ENTIRE DEVELOPMENTS AND GEL.AND I DUNNO WHAT KIND OF, I MEAN, SOME OF THOSE WERE TARGETED AND THEY'RE ON THE MAPS AND THEIR HASH MARKS.
PEOPLE WENT IN THERE AND LOOK AND GO GET MY CIVICS TO FAIL.
FIVE-YEAR THE OFFICE THAT COUNTED FOR 20 YEARS.
WE PROBABLY SHOULD UPDATE THOSE THINGS AND LET PEOPLE KNOW IT'S NOT, IT'S FRESH, CURRENT INFORMATION.
SO JUST A WORD IT MAYBE REFRESHING.
AND IF THEY GET BROUGHT FORWARD, SO IT, IF THEY DON'T UPDATE THE PASS BY THEM PASSING BY THEN WE WILL HAPPEN.
WELL, WE IDENTIFY THE MAJOR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT FALL IN THAT CATEGORY AND ARE CURRENTLY UNDERGOING PROJECTS, UH, ENGRAVING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A CONSTRUCTION PIPES ARE GOING INTO THE GROUND AS WE SPEAK, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THEN YOU GOT PILLS, WHICH IS IMPLANTING.
UM, A LOT OF RIVER, THIS COUPLE OF VULNERABLE ONES THEN GET DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, LAUREN TACO.
I THINK WE WENT BACK THERE AND LOOPED DOWN THE ONES THAT WERE NOT BOOTCAMP, BUT ANYWAY, SO THERE WERE SMALLER WHEN YOU PASS BY.
SO, UH, JUST, THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT SHOW IMPROVEMENTS, AND I'M ASSUMING, I'M ASSUMING IF THEY DON'T SAY MOVEMENTS AND THERE'S TWO AND THREE, YOU HAVE TO GET ALL THE REST OF YOU.
IS THAT CORRECT? IF THEY DON'T SHOW IMPROVEMENT, IS THERE NEW? UH, GENERALLY THAT'S HOW THE BERBERS WORKS OUT.
I JUST WANT TO BE SURE I WAS FALLING AND THIS WEST CREEK, THE CONTROL VALVE PROJECTS CURRENTLY IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW, WHAT THAT PROJECT DOES IS IT WILL, WHEN CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED, PROVIDE REDUNDANCY TO WHATEVER ROOM BLOOD PRESSURES AND YOU'VE APPROVED THE DESIGN OF IT SO FAR.
WE HAVE INSTRUCTION CURRENTLY SLATED FOR HIM.
UH, SERGEANT REYNOLDS, UM, WATER MAIN IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT'S NOT THAT'S, UH, I BELIEVE THE RUTH DIXON ROAD, UH, SERGEANT REYNOLDS IS CURRENTLY Y'ALL.
THERE IS A WATER LINE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN.
DIXON ROAD TIES BACK INTO FAIRGROUND ROAD, RIGHT PAST J SERGEANT READ ALL THE STEP WATERLINE STREETS IS THE FOUR-INCH.
UH, SO THIS PROJECT SLOT AND BUMP IT UP TO THE 10 INCH LINE.
THAT'S CURRENTLY A DIXON THROAT THAT WOULD CREATE A LOT MORE FAR-FLUNG AND BETTER REDUNDANCY IN THE SYSTEM.
SO THAT THAT'S IT, UH, EXAMINE, UH .
SO IT WOULD BE ABANDONING THE FORT, THE UNDERSIDE SPORTS PIPE IS IN THE GROUND AND UP-SIZING THAT PLANE TO PROVIDE MORE CAPACITY, SAN DIEGO, SYDNEY WATER MAIN LOOP.
UH, WE ARE PLANNING TO BE A BETTERMENT, UM, TO KIND OF PIGGY BACK.
LET'S CALL IT BEAT UP VETERAN TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT ESSENTIAL PROJECT.
WHAT THAT WILL DO IS CALLS ARE CREATE, UH, AN INTERNAL LOOP IN THE SYSTEM.
AND AGAIN, PROVIDE BETTER FIREPLACE SCENE IN THE SYSTEM, BUT YOU'RE NOT BREATHING WATER SYRUP, SANDY HOOK MY HOUSE FEELING SEPTIC PATIENT THAT'S RIGHT.
NOT AROUND ABOUT THAT'S, UH, THE RAIL REGISTRATION PROJECT.
SO WHAT SHOULD BE COMING AFTER AROUND ABOUT 44 44? YEAH.
UM, THEY'RE THEY'RE ON PUBLIC WATER NOW THEY'RE ON PUBLIC WATER.
IT'S JUST A CONNECT THAT ENDS THERE.
THAT LOOP IS IN OUR MASTER PLAN TO CONNECT THE PART THAT SADDLE CREEK INTERNAL WATER SYSTEM TO THE PARK AT CENTERVILLE, RIGHT.
BETWEEN THE TWO TO LOOK THERE.
TO HELP WATER FLOW REDUNDANCY IMPROVE.
THAT MAKES SENSE, MATT, WHEN THEY LAST NOT A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE WORK GOING ON WITH THE PRISON
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AND CREATING OUR SYSTEMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT ALL THAT WORK HAS ENDED.SO WE HAVE FUNDED THE PROJECTS I CHECKED IN WITH THEIR PRODUCT MANAGER ACTUALLY LAST WEEK IN ANY UPDATES, THE PLANETS HAD JUST BEEN APPROVED INTERNALLY ABOUT THE STATE.
SO EVEN THOUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS IS A PART OF THE STATE, THEY HAVE TO GET OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN STATE GOVERNMENT TO APPROVE.
THOSE WERE JUST APPROVED THE PROJECT MANAGER, UH, LETTING ME KNOW THAT SHE'S WORKING ON WRAPPING UP ANOTHER PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE TWO NEW NEIGHBORHOODS COMING ONLINE.
IS THAT PROJECT LET'S SAY THAT PROJECT'S DELAYED.
IS THAT IMPACT ANY OF THESE PROJECTS? IT SHOULD.
IT SHOULD NOT IMPACT REBARS REED.
MARS WAS FACTORED INTO OUR CURRENT CAPACITY.
UM, AS, AS HOMES AT GROW HILL PULMONARY PLANS, WE'LL KEEP TRACK OF OUR CURRENT CAPACITY AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT IT.
UM, WE SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH CURRENT CAPACITY, BUT THAT IT COULD PUSH THE BOUNDARY OF THAT 80% AVERAGE.
SO WE HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER FASCINATE THE AVERAGE USE WAS IT BUMPS UP AGAINST THE 80% MARK AS WE ENTER INTO TREATMENT.
SO RETREAT, IT WAS ON THE LOWER HOUSES.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC SILVER IS AND WANT HER TO WRITE GOOD.
THE SEWER WAS ONLY THE SMALLER LIGHTS DOWN CLOSER TO RIVER ROAD WAS CLOSED AND EVERYTHING UP IN THE FACULTY OR DOWN BY THE RIVER, OR, YEAH, THERE'S ARE THE DOC THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS, THIS WORDS, EXPANSION, CORRECT.
CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S STRONG WATER TOO.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.
SO FOR BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS OR THOSE RNR AND NO, THEY'RE NOT THERE BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN FUNDED OR PREVIOUS STREET BEEN FUCKING AROUND.
SO AFTER THIS EXPANSION, THE WORK THAT'S DONE OUT HERE, WORLD COULD NOT EXTEND SEWER TO WHOLE, THE ISSUE OF RURAL HILL INSTEAD OF BE SEWER TO THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CAPACITY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE POLITICAL CARE ISSUE IS AT, TO RATE.
IT'S A MATTER OF MOVING FROM ONE PLACE.
IT'S JUST NOT SPEAKING A LOT CLOSER TO THE RIVER.
YEAH, BUT WE FEEL LIKE JUST DELAYED.
WE'LL STILL BE OKAY BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO TO THAT.
UM, IF WE GO BACK TO JASON AND RENTALS, MEANING THERE WAS SOME DEVELOPMENT BEING PROPOSED FOR FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, WOULD THIS HELP THAT? OR WOULD WE BE ABLE TO LEVER SOME PROJECTS PAY FOR SOME OF THIS, THIS WILL HELP THAT, BUT WE CAME AND WE LEVERAGED THAT PROJECT TO FINISH SOME OF THIS.
WOULD THIS BE REQUIRED UPGRADE POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY THAT THAT'S BEEN BOUNCED AROUND WITH A DEVELOPER AND AN ENGINEER.
UM, HOWEVER, AND I'LL HAVE TO VERIFY WITH THE FINAL CALCULATIONS, COME IN, THEY PLAN, I GUESS, KIND OF GETTING OFF THE TOPIC, BUT THEY CLAIM THEY CAN MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS EVEN WITHOUT THIS.
AND IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, THAT'S THE STANDARD.
THERE IS NOT THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY GET THEM TO DO THIS USING YOUR CONNECTION CREDITS OR SOMETHING.
SO WITH, UM, I KNOW SOME OF THE WORK THAT THE EDD TEAM IS DOING TO FIGURE OUT SITE READINESS.
AND I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT TIERS.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET A SAFE FROM A TIER TWO, WHICH NOBODY'S GOING TO GET INTO TO A TIER FIVE, WHICH IS ALMOST GROUP OF READY ONCE THAT'S DONE.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSION BOARD TO FIGURE OUT HOW IS THERE AN APPETITE TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THESE AREAS MORE ATTRACTIVE TO DEVELOP TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHEN THAT REPORT COMES OUT, HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THAT IN WORKING ON THIS WARD.
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BUT IT'S EXCITING.ANYTHING ELSE FOR UTILITIES? THANKS, MAN.
HOW ARE ALL THIS MONEY, MAN? I WAS THINKING THAT ONE AND WE WERE DOING IT IS HE'S GOT THIS CONNECTION FEES.
I MEAN THESE , UM, SO HERE WE ARE, UM, WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING.
UM, SO EVERY YEAR IS A MILLION DOLLARS OF OPERATING FUNDS OR RECURRING CIP ITEMS. MR. PETERSON'S THING.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE PROPERTIES IN THERE THE 705,000 ARE FOR SCHOOLS.
UM, 600 OF THAT WAS THE GOOCHLAND ELEMENTARY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IN 105 IS FOR EIGHT BUCKS.
UM, THE DEBT IS FOR THE 8.2 AND 0.4 PROJECTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY BOUGHT.
NOW, THE NEXT ONE'S A LITTLE QUESTIONABLE.
UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE GOVERNMENT BUDGET FOR ROUGHLY AROUND $600,000 A YEAR FOR THE SCHOOLS, UM, THAT YOU COULD USE FOR FUN CAPITAL PROJECTS.
IT'S IN THE HOUSE VERSION, BUT NOT THE SENATE VERSION OF THE SENATE OR WHO, BUT NOT IN THE HOUSE VERSION.
I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE OF THE OTHERS.
RIGHT? SO THEY WERE GOING TO, THE STATE WAS GOING TO GIVE ONE POINT, IT WAS IN MORE THAN IT WAS ORIGINAL BUDGET, 1.2, FOUR, FIVE ALTOGETHER.
AND THEY WERE GOING TO USE THAT FOR ALL THOSE HVAC PROJECTS THAT THEY FOUGHT THEIR BATTLE.
BUT, UM, THAT IS, IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE RIGHT NOW WE GO AHEAD AND PLUG IT IN AT 6 45.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY PASSES A BUDGET, WE'LL KNOW WHETHER THAT IS IN OR NOT.
IF IT'S NOT IN, WE WILL EITHER HAVE TO THINK OF A WAYS TO PAY FOR IT, OR WE WILL HAVE TO CUT THEIR BUDGET 640 ABOUT THAT.
SO THEY HAVE, UM, WHERE THAT 1, 2 9, 3, 9 0 6 AND 23.
SO THERE'S ONLY COVERS ABOUT, UM, YES, YES, YES.
AND THAT WAS, AND THEN WE HAVE PLENTY OF RESERVE PLAN EVERY YEAR.
UM, IF YOU LOOK OUT 24, 25, 26 AND 27, UM, CONTINGENT ON PREVIOUS YEAR SAVINGS, VERY OPTIMISTIC IN 25 AND 26, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE 25, 26, AS WE'VE ALL SAID THE WORST TIME TO HAVE THIS MEETING FOR THEM.
AND THOSE ARE ACTUALLY, WE HAD TO DO A LOT OF CUTTING TO GET TO THAT AGAIN, IS THAT REALISTIC AT THIS POINT? WE DON'T KNOW.
UM, THE, UM, THE 4.4 FOR 23 IS ABOUT WHAT IT WAS THIS YEAR.
SO, UM, I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UM, BUT THEN ONCE YOU START GETTING INTO THE LARGER NUMBERS, IT STARTS GETTING A LITTLE, SO BEFORE YOU DIG A LITTLE DEEPER, THOSE LESSER, STILL TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, UM, CONTINGENT ON PREVIOUS, YOU'RE SAYING, IS THAT NUMBER AND WHAT YOU PLAN TO PUT INTO THE CIP FROM OPERATING, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO IT'S NOT THE LEVEL OF RESERVES BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE THOSE RESERVES.
SO THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE 1 BILLION THAT WE'RE RIGHT.
IF WE'D DONE IN THE PAST WITH THAT LIE WITH THE 1 MILLION IT'S SO CONTINGENT ON PRINTERS, YOU'RE SAYING, IS THIS A NEW
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THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY? NO, IT'S JUST, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST.IS THAT CASH FUNDING THINGS? IS THAT THE IDEA? YEAH.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN CASHED FUNDING TO THE TUNE OF FOUR OR FIVE, $6 MILLION A YEAR AND WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT WAS MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN YOU EXPECTING.
AND LET ME EXTEND THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, UM, FIRST I'LL START WITH THE BME AS IF YOU'VE DONE IT BEFORE.
AND CAN WE DO IN THE FUTURE WHEN BARBARA AND I MET WITH THE RATING AGENCIES, WE SHOWED THEM A BUDGET, BALANCED BUDGET, A SURPLUS FOR THE LAST 5, 6, 7 YEARS.
WHEN THE IDEA THAT WE BUDGET CONSERVATIVE AND WE'RE CONSISTENT IN OUR CONSERVATIVE BUDGETING, AND THAT IT'S NOT JUST A ONE AND DONE.
AND THEY LOOKED AT THE BUDGET ACTUALS OVER THE LAST PERIOD OF YEARS AND SAID, YOU ARE CONSISTENTLY BUDGETING CONSERVATIVELY BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING LEFT OVER.
WE'VE BEEN HEARING IN THAT SOMETHING LEFTOVER TO CASH ON CIP, BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVES ARE RAISE TAXES, THROW INTO RESERVES AND AS YOUR DEBT.
AND IF YOU'VE GOT AN OPERATING SURPLUS THAT COVERS YOUR ANNUAL RECURRING NONRECURRING CAPITAL SPENDING, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO DEBT OR DRAW OUT OF RESERVES OR DIG YOURSELF IN A FINANCIAL HALL.
YOU'RE STRUCTURALLY BALANCED ON THE OPERATING SIDE, BUT I'M SUGGESTING PART OF THAT IS OPERATING BECAUSE IT COMES WITH EVERY YEAR.
LET ME PUT SOME NUMBERS TO THAT.
20 PLAY TO THAT FUNDING, 40 MILLION TOTAL, THE 46 DELTA SIX RUN AN OPERATING SURPLUS OF SIX.
YOU COVERED CIP CASH FUNDING AS YOU GO.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS GOING FORWARD.
LET'S LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AGAIN, 16, A TOTAL OF SEVEN THAT'S 37 35 DIVIDED BY FIVE TO SEVEN PER YEAR.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 67 PER YEAR GOING FORWARD ON AVERAGE FOR THE EXCESS FUNDING.
SO IF WE GENERATE, SINCE YOU SAID, BEGINNING OF THE YEAR OF ANNUAL SURPLUS, THROUGH CONSERVATIVE BUDGETING, WE NEED TO COVER THE DEBT PORTION OF HIS CAPITAL SPENDING WITHOUT ADDING FORTH.
THE DAMAGE JOINED DOWN RESERVES ARE DIGGING HIMSELF IN THE HALL.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH .
AND WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED GOING FORWARD IS TO HAVE THAT SAME LEVEL OF SORT OF THE BUDGET.
NOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I HAVE WITH THIS YEAR'S, UH, DURING THE GO-GO YEARS OF 22 AND 23, WE'RE DRAWING DOWN TO RESERVE THAT FOR THE NEXT DOWNTURN.
WE'RE NOT USING ANY RESERVES AT ALL.
WELL, IT SEEMS TO ME IT SHOULDN'T BE DONE THAT WAY.
SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY RESERVES DURING THE GO-GO YEARS AND DRAWING DOWN SOMEBODY THAT COULDN'T BE CALM RESERVES IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE THEM SAFE.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST IN A DIFFERENT LINE TO INDICATE THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON IT.
ANYWAY, WHEN YOU SHOT HIM, YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT CAUGHT MY EAR.
WHEN YOU WERE HAVING THIS, YOU SAID WE HAD TO KIND OF GET HER BEING CAUTIOUS AND CIRCUMSPECT ABOUT MEETING THOSE NUMBERS.
AND THEN YOU SAID WE HAD TO CUT THINGS TO GET THAT TO WORK.
SO SCHOOL WAS THE BIGGEST ONE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
WHAT YOU CUTTING, BECAUSE IF YOU ARE, YOU'RE CONCERNED BUDGETING CONSERVATIVELY AND YOU'RE PROJECTING CONSERVATIVELY, AND THEN YOU SAY YOU'RE CUTTING TO GET THERE.
THAT KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF IT'S WORKING AGAINST.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE YEAR THAT THEY WANTED ALMOST WARM UP DOLLARS FOR THEIR HIGH SCHOOL PROGRAM, BUT WE ONLY GAVE THEM A MILLION.
WE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT 7, 8, 9, 10 0.5 PREVIOUS YEAR SAVINGS.
HAVE WE NOT REDUCED THEM? WHAT WAS 4 MILLION TO ONE THEY'RE ASKING? IT WAS MOSTLY THE SCHOOLS.
ANYTHING ELSE WE COULDN'T, WE JUST KIND OF PUSH OUT TO THE PAST NOW, ARE WE JUST BASICALLY PUSHING IT OUT WITH THE SCHOOLS ABOUT PUSHING IT OUT? RIGHT.
WHY DON'T WE JUST, BASICALLY WE PROBABLY ARE, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY WANTED THE $11 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS TO DO HVAC MAINTENANCE, $11 MILLION.
WAS IT SO EARLY BIG NUMBER TO TRY TO GET IN, IN THOSE AIR CONDITIONING? UM, FIVE YEARS.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THEY WON'T HAVE TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, AFTER THOSE FIVE YEARS OR EVEN BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT BEING REALISTIC, WE DIDN'T FEEL WE COULD UP THE AMOUNT OF CASH STREAM PUT IN IT.
MAYBE NEXT YEAR WE'LL FIND OUT WE'RE IN A BETTER SITUATION AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UM, WE, WE ADOPT
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THE FIRST YEAR 23.SO THE LAST FOUR YEARS IS JUST A PLAN.
BUT, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS, YOU TRY TO LOOK AHEAD AND SEE WHAT, WHAT WE CAN AFFORD.
WE DON'T WANT TO START A PROJECT AND NOT BE ABLE TO FINISH IT OR WHATEVER.
THIS IS KIND OF THE ANSWER TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER ABOUT FOLKS ARE SAYING, HEY, LOOK, IT INCREASED SOME PEOPLE, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING WITH ALL? THIS IS A LONG ANSWER.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE, I MEAN, WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT, BUT I JUST, I DO WANT TO GET THIS OUT ON THE TABLE BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED YET.
SO WE, WE JUST ISSUED $50 MILLION IN DEBT.
WE, AND THEN WE ALSO, WE KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE PROJECTS ARE STARTING TO OVERRIDE, RUN OVER AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
SO, UM, WITHOUT GETTING INTO BOND DETAILS TOO MUCH, WE ALSO GOT ANOTHER POT OF CASH, SO TO SPEAK, WHICH IS CALLED PREMIUM.
SO THE BUYERS PAID A PREMIUM FOR THE BONDS.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE STILL PAYING IT BACK, BUT, UM, BUT IT'S NOT ALLOCATED TO THOSE PROJECTS.
SO WE GOT THE ORIGINAL 50 MILLIONS.
UM, AGAIN, KNOWING THAT PROJECTS WERE RUNNING OVER 41.8 OF IT WAS TO WENT TO THE NEW GES AND 8.2 TO THE 22.
NOW ACTUALLY THE NEW GES ONLY 40.8 HAS BEEN BUDGETED SO FAR, BUT THAT, THAT ADDS UP TO THE 50 MILLION.
UM, BUT WE ALSO GOT HAVE 9.6 MILLION IN PREMIUM, IN PREMIUM AVAILABLE FOR ALLOCATION.
WE IN THIS PLAN USE ONE AND A HALF MILLION OF IT.
UM, FOR THE COURTHOUSE DESIGN, YOU SAW THAT ALREADY.
SO IF YOU TAKE THAT FROM THE 9.6, WE STILL HAVE 8.1, $8 MILLION.
THAT AGAIN, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT COST OVER RUNS.
WE'VE GOT THAT CUSHION RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE GOT $8 MILLION PUSHING, SO SPEAK IT HASN'T BEEN ALLOCATED IT'S PART OF THE DEBT ISSUANCE.
WE HAVE TO PAY IT BACK, BUT IT'S, IT'S BEYOND THE PAR.
SO IT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS THE REFERENDUM AMOUNT.
UM, IT HAS TO GO TOWARDS THE PROJECTS.
WE CAN'T TAKE IT AND SAY, OH, WE WANT TO PUT THAT TOWARDS HER.
YEAH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S YEAH.
I MEAN, THERE'S LESS, WE CAN BEND IT THOUGH, IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH WE GIVE TO WHAT IT'S NOT AS STRICT, AS LONG AS IT'S RED LINE OF PROJECTS.
SO, WHICH MEANS IS IT HAS TO BE FIRE STATION COURT AT SCHOOLS, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO THERE WAS TWO REFERENDUMS, NOT ONE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND ONE SCHOOL AND THE MONEY RAISED THE PARLIAMENT THAT WE ISSUED.
EACH OF THOSE NEEDS TO GO FOR THOSE PARKS AND SCHOOLS NEEDS TO IN THE SCHOOLS, PUBLIC SAFETY, THE SAFETY DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO GO TO THE GDS VERSUS HIGH SCHOOL SCHOOLS IS GOING TO IMPOSE.
IT USED TO SAY, IN ADDITION TO THE PARAMOUNT THAT WE'VE CREATED WITH THOSE TWO BUCKETS, DEDICATED MONEY PREMIUM IS MORE, AS I UNDERSTAND, IT CAN KIND OF FLOAT BETWEEN THE TWO TYPES OF PROJECTS, WHAT WAS PASSED IN THE SAME REFERENDUM ISSUE AND NEEDS TO BE USED FOR ONE OF THOSE TWO BUCKETS.
SO YOU'VE BEEN AT THE SCHOOL REFERENDUM BROUGHT IN MORE PREMIUM.
YOU COULD ALLOCATE THAT BECAUSE YOU GET THEIR PAR PROBABLY SAY AGAINST THE PAR VALUE, BUT WE'RE PRETTY GOOD IS AVAILABLE FOR ALLOCATION, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE PASSED BY THE THOSE TWO BUCKETS, ONE OF THE OTHER, YOU CAN'T GO TO A THIRD BUCKET, UM, AND IT DOES NEED TO FOLLOW THE PERCENTAGE.
DOESN'T IT? THAT WAS ONE OF MY PLACE.
IT'S NOT LIKE CORRECT, YOU KNOW, 40%, 80% IN 20 OR WHATEVER.
UM, SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SANDY HOOK SECTION, RIGHT? IT COULD GO .
'CAUSE EVEN THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE REFERENDUM WHERE THEY WERE GIVING US EXAMPLES.
THAT WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE 64, A SCHOOL PROJECT AND THE 36, 4 COUNTY PROJECTS ACROSS THE COUNTY PRIVATE PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECT.
AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BUILDING THAT FIREHOUSE AND THE EQUIPMENT GOING IN IT, AND IS THERE GOING TO BE COST OVER ROADS IS A 10 MILLION WHERE THEY CAN TURN 11.
THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL MONEY, THEREFORE, AND OTHER SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION WHERE THERE'S A GAP, THINK OF RISK FOR THAT EVENT.
THEY CAN DRAW IT END FROM A FUTURE SCHOOL
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PROJECT FOR A BIT OF IT INTO MAYBE SOME PREMIUM AVAILABLE THROUGH A BIT OF IT, BUT NOT ALL OF IT, OBVIOUSLY THE SYSTEM.SO THERE'S, THOSE ARE WAYS TO ADDRESS THE SHORTFALLS IN A WAY THAT SEEMS TO MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE.
SO DO WE MAKE A DECISION ON WHERE THAT PREMIUM AVAILABLE AND THEN YOU WILL ASK THE APPROPRIATE? YES.
AND THEN WE WILL SAY TO YOU, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE TODAY AND NOT RIGHT, BUT, UM, BUT I WANTED TO GET THAT NUMBERS OUT THERE SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, LIKE CIP WILL HAVE APPROPRIATE A HUNDRED AND A HALF, 1.5 MILLION OF IT FOR THE COURTHOUSE DESIGN, WHICH AGAIN, WE'LL LEAVE ABOUT EIGHT.
IF YOU WANT TO SAY, WE'LL NEED MAYBE ANOTHER TWO OR THREE FOR WEST CREEK.
AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE JUST, MAYBE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE CAN APPROPRIATE, OR WE CAN PUT IT IN OUR MIND AND, YOU KNOW, ASIDE IN OUR MIND AND STILL EAT, UM, UM, A MAP, SO FIVE OR 6 MILLION, UM, THAT WE COULD THINK ABOUT THE SCHOOLS.
UM, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A FINAL NUMBER FROM THEIR REDESIGN.
THEY, UM, WE TALKED TO THEM THE OTHER DAY YESTERDAY AND THE END OF, UM, THE END OF THE MONTH, I THINK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GET THE FINAL REDESIGNED NUMBER FROM, FROM THE ARCHITECTS.
UM, SO, UM, JUST, JUST PUTTING THIS OUT THERE NOW, SO WE CAN START HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT.
AND SO WE CAN START, YOU KNOW, THINKING THAT THAT IS AN OPTION.
UM, AND THEN THE NEW CIRCUIT COURT BUILDING, UM, AND THE GES RENOVATIONS ADDITIONS WE'LL USE UP THE REST OF THE 46.
UM, AND EVEN THE CURRENT BUDGETS FOR THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED BECAUSE, UM, THERE ISN'T, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 46 THERE'S, UM, WHAT'S REMAINING IS 18.2 IN SCHOOLS AND 27.8 FOR THE COUNTY.
AND THEY'RE, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR BUDGETS, THERE'S MORE THAN THAT.
SO, UM, SO WE WOULD EITHER NEED 5 MILLION IN THE PREMIUM BAN, OR YOU COULD USE 5 MILLION AND, OR YOU CUT THOSE BUDGETS, YOU KNOW, OR YOU COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT WAY TO, UM, TO GET THAT.
BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DECIDE TODAY.
I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE CAN START THINKING ABOUT IT.
THERE ARE, THERE IS, UM, NOT TO REASSURE OURSELVES TOO MUCH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T LIKE ALL THIS PRICING AND EVERYTHING, BUT THERE ARE WAYS WE'RE NOT STUCK YET.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT IN A, IN A REAL BIG QUARTER YET WITH THAT PREMIUM, UM, AVAILABLE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'LL HEAR US TALK ABOUT THIS MORE AND AS WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THE PROJECTS AND, AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO, UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIRST YEAR, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE AND IT'S ALSO LETTING YOU KNOW, THE THERE'S A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS OUT THERE AND, UM, LIMITED NUMBER OF WAYS TO PAY FOR THEM.
WE'RE NOT TAKING IT AND WE'RE NOT LOWERING THE RESERVES BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAD SURFACE, SO IT'S STAYING THE SAME.
SO I DON'T WANT TO RESERVE TO SHRINK AS A PERCENTAGE OF RESERVES, A LOT WITH WE'LL NEED TO GROW THAT ON THE SIDE, BUT THIS IS OUT OF A SONG.
SO THE SIDE OF THE OTHER SIDE COMBINED IS ABOUT THE BELMONT RESERVES AND WHAT THEY LOOKED AT BECAUSE THE SCIENCE CAN BE REASSIGNED IF THERE'S A PROBLEM OR NEED.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH OF THOSE BUCKETS TOTAL RESERVES ARE AVAILABLE, AT LEAST IN CONSTANT OVER TIME SHRINK BECAUSE OF, LET ME JUST STABILIZATION FUND NEEDS TO GROW, TO SAY 3%, RIGHT? AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE COMBINED, WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO GROW AT THE SAME RATE OVERALL BUDGET IN ORDER, JUST TO PRESERVE THAT CUSHION IN THE SAME BANK.
SO DOES THIS, DOES THIS BUDGET DO THAT? DOES THIS RUN THE RESERVES AT THE SAME TIME? NOT THE CIP SPECIFICALLY? NO.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE FROM OUR OPERATING SURPLUS.
SO DOES THAT CAUSE ARE ASSIGNED ANOTHER SIDE COMBINED AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET.
DOES THAT GO ALONG WITH THE BUDGET BY JUST GOING THROUGH A
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10, 13%, 12%, 12%, BECAUSE THAT'S, WE HAVE A GENERAL FUND BUDGET GROUPS THAT WE HAVE THE OVERALL BUDGET FOR.YOU SEE WHAT THEY'RE WE BRINGING THE SAME PERCENTAGE? I THINK IT IS.
IF WE ASSIGN, IF WE SIGN SOMEBODY FOUR OR FIVE PROTECTION OVER THE YEARS.
WE USED THAT ASIDE AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE NEED TO REPLACE IT, TO ASSIGN IT TO SOMETHING ELSE.
I'M SAYING THAT IF YOU ASSIGNED MONEY, THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO SPEND THAT MONEY, IT'S NO LONGER AVAILABLE.
SO YOU CAN'T DO IT OR SHOULDN'T DO.
AND YOU SAY, TRAIN YOUR RESERVES.
EVEN IF THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE ASSIGNED, RIGHT.
I MEAN, THE, A SIGN FOR OUR POLICY WILL ALWAYS KEEP WITHIN POLICY AND WE'LL HAVE TO INCREASE IT TO STAY WITHIN THOSE PERCENTAGES.
YOU SIGN THE GRADING AGENCIES AND EVERYBODY EXPECTS THAT TO VARY A LITTLE BIT.
THEY DON'T EXPECT THAT TO STAY TOTALLY STABLE BECAUSE THEY, AS YOU'VE SAID, EXPECT YOU USE IT WHEN AND TIMES YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT AREN'T AS GOOD AND, AND BUILD IT UP IN THE OTHER.
SO, UM, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS WHEN YOU OUTSIDE, YOU ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE IT, IT BECOMES A PART OF YOUR BUDGET.
SO YOU, IF YOU MAINTAIN YOUR RESERVES AS A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR BUDGET, ACTUALLY THEN INCREASE YOUR RESERVES BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU BUDGETED.
I MEAN, 77 OUT OF THE WAY, HALF OF OUR RESERVES ARE ASSIGNED, RIGHT? IF WE WENT AHEAD AND FOLLOWED THROUGH AND SPENT ALL THAT MONEY AND COVER RESERVES AND HALF TRIP WHEN IT'S GONE, WE DIDN'T ATTACK HIM CHASING HER.
WELL, I DON'T, I THINK IF WE CUT IT IN HALF, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GOING TO CUT IT IN HALF.
AND MOST OF THEM ARE ASSIGNED IS EXPECTED TO BE USED OVER TIME.
NOT, NOT IN ONE YEAR, BUT OVER TIME WE CAN'T, WE COULDN'T SPEND IT ALL AT ONE TIME WHERE WITH BOTH AND DO ALL THOSE.
I GET THE LOVE THAT YOU ASSIGN PROJECT PRIVATE CONDUCT, RESPECT.
WE'VE GOT HALF OUR RESERVES ARE ASSIGNED RIGHT DOWN.
IF WE WENT AHEAD AND DID THOSE PROJECTS AND SPEND THAT KIND OF RESERVES IN HALF, THAT AAA HAS GONE.
NOW, YOU CAN SAY, WELL, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE SITE, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR A PROJECT, BUT WHILE IT'S ASSIGNED AND NOT SPENT, IT'S AVAILABLE FOR REASSIGNMENT IN CASE A HURRICANE FLORENCE ROOF OFF THE HIGH SCHOOL, IF YOU SPEND IT, IT'S NO LONGER AVAILABLE IN YOUR POSSESSION.
SO YES, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ASSIGNED.
YES, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SPENT EVENTUALLY, BUT AS LONG AS YOU'RE REPLACING, WHATEVER GOES OUT AND YOU'RE MAINTAINING YOUR TOTAL AVAILABLE RESERVES AND YOU HAVEN'T.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING AT IS OUR COMBINED RESERVES ARE A BUDGET OR AN ITEM.
IF WE GOT 20 MILLION ASIDE AND WE SPENT 10 OF THOSE PROJECTS AND THEN ASSIGN 10 MORE AND WE'VE KEPT OUR POSITION, WHAT WE'VE DONE THOSE FIVE MINUTES IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO, BUT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DRAIN YOUR RETURNS.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED JUST TO MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, DOES THE OPERATING BUDGET GOING FORWARD IN THE 23, PRESERVE OUR AVAILABLE RESERVES AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE 12% INCREASE BUDGET FOR A VISIT LEVEL OF FUNDING, A FLAT FIVE MINUTE BALANCE AND ALLOW THE PERCENTAGES TO START TO DECREASE.
SO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING ON THIS, BUT IF I MAKE IT MYSELF POLICY, BUT THAT COULD BE PRODUCT TO MEET OUR POLICY.
CAUSE YOU SAID OUR POLICY IS UNASSIGNED ASSIGNED WILL ALWAYS STAY.
SO I'M, I'M HEARING COMPETING THINGS ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL POLICY IS.
SO THE ONLY POLICY, THE WRITTEN ONLY WRITTEN POLICY REFERS TO ARE ON A SIGN.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT MONEY IS WHAT IS FOR THE HURRICANE, NOT THE ASSIGNED THAT HURRICANE OR THE EARTHQUAKE IS UNASSIGNED FOR THAT IS, AND THE RATING AGENCIES ARE LOOKING AT OUR TIRE BUCKET SIDE THAN ON THE SIDE, BUT THEY SEE THAT AS ESSENTIAL APART FROM OUR POLICY BEING ON THE SIDE, BEING THE FIRST IT'S A PART OF IT.
I MEAN, THEY ADD THE, THE SIGN AND ON THE SIGN AND THEY SAY THAT'S ALL AVAILABLE.
UM, AND THEY ALSO SAY YOU HAVE WAY MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE HAS, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, AND MS. PETERSON, I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE.
SO, UM, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD AGREE ON THE, ON THE SIDE, I WOULD NEVER WANT THAT TO GO DOWN
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UNLESS IT WAS A PURE EMERGENCY AND WE HAD AN EARTHQUAKE AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO REBUILD A SCHOOL OR WHATEVER.UM, I WOULD WANT THAT PERCENTAGE TO STAY PER THE POLICY.
SO IT WILL HAVE TO INCREASE JUST TO STAY AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE CAN USE SOME OF THE ASSIGN, YOU KNOW, AND IT'LL BE MORE OF A LOOK, MORE LIKE ZIG-ZAG LINE.
WE COULD, YOU KNOW, USE A COUPLE MILLION FOR A PROJECT, MAY MAKE, BUILD IT UP THE NEXT YEAR WHEN WE HAVE SURPLUS, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
YOU'RE DESCRIBING A TIGHT CIP BUDGET WITH KIND OF NAIL BITING SOUNDS LIKE CONTINGENT ON PREVIOUS YEAR SAVINGS NUMBERS.
SO HOW DO YOU BUILD THE TOTAL RESERVE BUCKET IN THAT ENVIRONMENT? IF THERE'S A YOU ASSUME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, EVEN STILL HAVE A CONSERVATIVE BUDGET AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE SURPLUS, WELL, YOU ALWAYS HAVE SURPLUSES OF SIX OR 7 MILLION.
SO WHEN YOU'RE SURFING, WE BETTER END OUR OPERATING BUDGET ON WITH ALL SURPLUS, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THEN WE'VE DONE A REALLY BAD JOB.
THE SIMPLE QUESTION IS THIS, BECAUSE WE HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN RELYING ON IT TO CASH FUND NEEDED PROJECTS, RIGHT.
LET'S JUST SAY WE DON'T HAVE THE FIVE MINUTES.
AND MS. LESKO, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
DOES YOUR BUDGET, HOLD THE ASSIGNMENT ON THE SIDE, COMBINED RESERVES STEADY AND CLIMBING CONSISTENT WITH OUR PROJECTED REVENUE.
SO YOU DON'T REALLY PROMOTE TO A BALANCE SHEET ITEMS, SO TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO IN THAT RESPECT, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING IN OPERATING IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET THAT MATCHES OPERATING REVENUES THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO SET THIS MUCH ASIDE AND IN FUND BALANCE.
SOME, SOME SMALL COUNTIES THAT DON'T HAVE, UM, LARGE FUND BALANCE HAVE TO SAY, OH, WELL, OF ALL THIS, WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN.
WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY NOT SPEND IT ALL ON SALARIES AND THINGS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY SET SOME OF THAT ASIDE IN ORDER TO BUILD UP OUR FUND BALANCE.
SO IS IT IN THE BUDGET TO DO IT? NO.
IT'S MORE OF AN EXERCISE AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO SAY, CAN WE ASSIGN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF ASSIGNMENTS RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN PROBABLY REASSIGN TO SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU KNOW, UM, YOU HAVE MONEY FOR FUTURE ROAD PROJECTS.
WE HAVE MONEY FOR, IF IT GOT TO THAT POINT WHERE WE HAD TO SAY, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ENOUGH IN HERE, WE COULD REASSIGN IT TO THE CIP AND CHOOSE OUR PRIORITIES THAT WAY.
UM, THE QUESTION MR. STEAK, THE RSF STABILIZATION DURING THE GOOD YEARS LIKE THIS BUDGET GOES 12%.
HAVE WE BUDGETED INCREASING THE DRSS BY 12% BECAUSE THAT'S A RAINY DAY FUND AND IT'S NOT RAINING.
AND IF WE DON'T ADD TO IT IN THE SAME PROPORTION AS THE BUDGET GROWS, ACTUALLY EFFECTIVELY TRAINING OR RAINY DAY FUND DURING BOTH THE SUNSHINE.
AND THAT'S THE QUESTION IS, SO THE ASSUMPTION OF THE 5% OF YOUR GROWTH IN THE REVENUES MEMBER ISN'T AS HIGH AS 5% A YEAR, DO WE HAVE THOSE RESERVES REQUIRED, RESERVES KEEPING PACE AND ADDING 5% OF THOSE EACH YEAR, NOT IN THE BUDGET AND WE DON'T BUDGET TO IT.
THAT'S AN EXERCISE THAT YOU DO AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN YOU ASSIGN THE MONEY.
AND THEN YOU SAY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH IN OUR REVENUE STABILIZATION, THEN IT CAN'T BE ASSIGNED TO SOMETHING ELSE.
THAT'S MY BOTTOM LINE CONTINGENT.
AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'RE HAVE, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX PAIN, MAYBE, HOPEFULLY, WHATEVER.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SAY, YEAH, BUT WE NEEDED ONE OR TWO OF THAT TO KEEP OUR, OUR INSURANCE KEEP PACE.
AND THIS DOESN'T WORK, THIS DOESN'T WORK.
AND THEN CIRCLE BACK FOR JUST A SECOND OUTSIDE VERSUS ON HER SIDE, JUST TO PUT SOME NUMBERS TO IT.
UM, CAN I MAKE AN ANALOGY JUST BECAUSE THAT CAN BRING IT DOWN TO STUFF I'VE USED.
SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD PRACTICE.
KEEP THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS WORTH OF BILLS AND MY SAVINGS, WHEREVER, WHEREVER I'M AT.
RIGHT? SO MY OTHER SIDE WOULD BE MY THREE MONTHS OF BILLS.
THEN ON TOP OF THAT, I DON'T WANT TO SAY, HEY, I WANT SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY.
SO MY THREE MONTHS OF BILLS WENT TO BEING ASSIGNED THREE MONTHS OF JUST EXTRA MONEY.
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LIKE THE MONEY OR SAVINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO BUY A NEW CAR.MY, I DO MY, UM, SO, SO I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT, LET'S SAY THAT'S $10,000 A MONTH OR $10,000 TOTAL.
I WOULD THINK, LET'S SAY NOW I'VE GOT $11,000 AND THEN, OKAY, I CAN TAKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS OF MY SAVINGS AND THEN ADD THAT TO A PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO, I WANT TO PUT NEW DECKING BOARD ON MY DECK, BUT WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE I PURPOSE REPEATERS TO SAY IS THE RATING AGENCIES ARE LOOKING AT, YOU'RE JUST COVERING MY BASIC BILLS AND WHATEVER ELSE I WANT TO KEEP ASIDE FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT I'M HEARING US SAY THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE THE CASE.
SO IN MY SITUATION, ARE YOU TAKING AWAY FROM MY, MY EXTRA MONEY IS PUT ASIDE AND NOT JUST MY, THIS MY OTHER SIDE AND ADDING IT TO THIS WITHOUT BRINGING IT BACK IN.
SO I ENDED UP DIFFERENT TO THAT ON THE SIDE, AND I'M GOING TO SPEND, I GOT A NEW, I'M GOING TO SPEND IT ALL THIS, THIS PERIOD.
SO NOW I'VE ONLY GOT IF JUST MY BILLS AND THAT DOESN'T COUNT.
IF MY, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT TO BUY A NEW CAR BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PERFECT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO DO AN UPGRADE.
SO ARE YOU TAKING THAT 3000, WHICH NOW I'VE GOT TO BUILD THAT 3000 BACK UP AGAIN TO GET TO MY GOAL? I THINK I WANT TO SAY YES, I STILL GET MY BILLS.
YOU CAN STILL, YOU STILL HAVE YOUR NEST OR NOT NEST EGG, BUT YOU STILL HAVE YOUR RESERVE FOR EMERGENCIES.
NO, I JUST HAVE, I CAN MAKE MY BILLS EVERY MONTH, BUT I CAN'T SOME NIGHTS, BUT IF THE TREE FALLS ON MY FENCE, NOW I HAVE TO DO THE FENCE.
IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
HOW YOUR BILLS, YOU HAVE YOURS, YOUR RAINY DAY, AND THEN YOU'VE BEEN SAVING MONEY FOR THE CAR.
NOW YOU NEED TO CALL YOUR FATHER THE CAR.
YOU STILL HAVE YOUR BILL AMOUNT, THEN YOU RESERVE.
DID WE? CAUSE I THINK THAT'S ALL.
IF YOU USE YOUR, YOUR, UM, YOUR, THE AMOUNT THAT YOU HAVE TO BE SERVED FOR YOUR CAR, HAVE YOU SPENT IT ON THE CAR? SO YOU, SO YOUR TOTAL NUMBER.
SO YOU HAVE THREE PILES THAT ADDED UP TO 30,000.
NOW YOU ONLY HAVE 20 CARS IN FOR THE CAR.
CHIP ABOUT ASSIGNED 40 TOTAL 40 ON THE SIDE.
ABOUT AGAIN, BETTY, YOU GOT THREE BUCKETS, RIGHT? BUT THE FIRST BOND DEAL IS THE SMALL ONE, THE 3% REVENUE STABILIZATION, IT'S THERE FOR REVENUE STABILIZATION.
SO IF WE HAVE A ONE OR 2% DECREASE IN REVENUES, INSTEAD OF A 13% INCREASE IN REVENUES, YOU CAN DIP INTO THAT TO STABILIZE YOUR ANNUAL OPERATING REVENUES.
THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT.
THEN WE KNOW WE HAVE KNOWN EVILS OUT THERE.
WE KNOW THERE'S THIS, WE KNOW THERE'S THAT.
SO WE ASSIGNED MONEY AGAINST IT.
LET'S SAY WHEN IT COMES UP, WE'LL HAVE THE MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE ASSIGNING MY IMPORTANT MELANIE EVILS NUMBER ASSIGNED.
THEN THERE'S THE UNKNOWN, THE COMPLAINT ON THAT LIGHT AND EARTH, BABY AND LOUISA IN MINERAL.
AND IT DESTROYS ONE OF YOUR SCHOOLS.
IF THAT HAPPENS IN WACO, THEY START TO CHECK OUT OF THE PETTY CASH AT 50 MILLION FOR A NEW SCHOOL.
WE JUST LEARNED IT COSTS 59 FOR NEW SCHOOL.
AND WE JUST LEARNED, WE ONLY HAVE 19 AVAILABLE FOR UNKNOWN EVILS.
THAT'S HOW WE GOING TO BUILD ONE WING OF A NEW SCHOOL.
SO WE TALK ABOUT THE UNDERSIGNED, TRYING TO CARRY ALL THE WATER FOR HIM.
I DON'T KNOW AN EVAL, A SMALL RURAL COUNTY LIKE OURSELVES.
EACH SCHOOL IS A BIG ENOUGH IN LARGE CHESTERFIELD.
THERE MIGHT GO KNOW, VIRGINIA COULD BUILD A COLLEGE CAMPUS FOR THE NAVY.
I MISS THE MONEY, BUT FOR US IT'S A BIG NUMBER.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OUTSIZED RESERVES IS BECAUSE THERE'S BIG NUMBERS OUT THERE THAT ARE UNKNOWN, THAT COULD DESTABILIZE THE WHOLE EFFECT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY WHERE WE ARE IN FRONT OF THE RAIN GAUGE.
AS WE SAID, WE CAN STABILIZE OUR REVENUES.
WE'VE GOT OUR PROJECTS FUNDED AND WE GOT A PILE THAT'S BEEN ASSIGNED IN CASE SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS AND THEN SAYING, OKAY, I CAN PROVE AND SET UP.
IF WE SPEND ALL THOSE ASIDE DOLLARS AND KIND OF RETURNS AT END OF WAR.
IF WE LET THE OTHER SIDE WINDOW, IN TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGE OF OUR OVERALL BUDGET, A BUDGET IS GROWING.
NOW WE'RE WEAKENING OURSELVES FINANCIALLY.
AND AT SOME POINT YOU HIT A POSSIBLE POINT, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S SET UP IS THEY SAID, OKAY, YOU GUYS ARE IN GOOD SHAPE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT STABILIZE REVENUES, NO ENABLES.
AND IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS, IT'S GOING TO BE IT BE A BIG MEMBER OF THE SCHOOL, A COUPLE OF FIVE HOUSES.
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AND WAS THERE'S YOUR MEASURE BEING DONE BY? AND IT HAS TO BE A PERCENTAGE OF OUR BUDGET HAS TO BE MUCH LARGER THAN LARGER COUNTIES BECAUSE A SCHOOL IS A MUCH BIGGER PERCENTAGE OF OUR BUDGET.THAT IS WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE SET.
THESE CONVERSATIONS WERE VERY HEALTHY BY THE WAY.
AND THEY'RE GREAT TO HAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE, SO WE HAVE 19.6 MILLION ON A SUN, WHICH IS 28% OF OUR BUDGET, CURRENT BUDGET, 23.
AND POLICY SAYS, WHY? WELL, AS I SAID, 25%, WE HAVE WE 28.
UM, WE HAVE 19.3 MILLION SOMETHING.
AND THEN WE HAVE 2.1 MILLION REVENUE REVENUE STABILIZATION.
AND YOU SAID TARGET'S 25 OR 28.
SO WE'RE A LITTLE OVER, RIGHT? YES.
SO AS WE APPROVE THE 23 BUDGET AT YEAR END, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THAT'S TWO YEARS LATER? ARE WE GOING TO, UNLESS IT'S 13% GROWTH THIS YEAR AND THAT MOVES THROUGH THAT REALLY FAST DURING MY PRESENTATION, UH, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE, ARE WE STILL GOING TO HAVE 28%, TWO MORE YEARS OF GROWTH BECAUSE THAT'S 20, 21 NUMBERS, THE 28% OR 25%, 8.99.
I, ARE WE GOING TO HIT IT? YEAH.
DID THE SUN SHINE? WE SHOULD BE OVER 28 TO 30.
AND THEN WHEN THE RECESSION HITS, DRAW IT BACK DOWN TO 25.
YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE TALKING TO TALKING ABOUT LAST 20, EVERYTHING DROPPED DOWN TO 25.
NOW THE RECESSION WAS THAT WAY.
I MEAN, THE WHOLE IDEA IS YOU GUYS GET THIS? I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I THINK WHAT'S ACTUAL, WHERE DID WE GO FROM HERE? IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE PUSHING THAT DIGIT LINE ITEM TO LEVELS THAT I THINK I'M KIND OF SAYING FROM JEN'S THINKING, IS THAT WHERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUDGET, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BALANCE A CIP BUDGET WITH THOSE NUMBERS, THEN YOU ALMOST HAVE TO THINK IN TERMS OF, WELL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO KEEP THE FUNDING NOW THOUGH, YOU SAY, GO HAVE AN ITEM AND THERE'S AN END OF THE YEAR PROCESS, BUT THAT KIND OF CUTS AGAINST IT.
WE'RE USING THIS TO BALANCE A CIP THAT, BUT WE DON'T SEE ANY ROOM TO CAUSE A BUDGET IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW.
SO WE SHOULD PLAN TO CONTINUE TO GROW THE, THE SCISSOR FUND BECAUSE WHY ARE WE DOING THIS HERE AT 23? RIGHT, RIGHT.
THIS IS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO FIGURE YOUR POINT.
WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO A CHANGE IN THE UNIT.
BUT I THINK THAT IT KIND OF MAKES THIS, I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF HAVING A FIVE-YEAR CIP.
THAT WHEN WE SAY IT'S BALANCED, IT REALLY IS MEANINGFULLY BALANCED.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT IF THAT HAPPENS EXACTLY THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY BECAUSE WE CAN'T GROW THE RESERVES IN RELATION TO THE BUDGET.
WELL, WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR SURPLUSES FOR, BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU, YOU SAID YOU'D MAXED THOSE OUT AND HAD TO CUT THINGS.
SO YOU KIND OF MAXING THAT CONTINGENT NUMBER OUT JUST IN YOUR CONSERVATIVE PROJECTIONS.
SO IT WON'T BE MORE THAN THIS PROBLEM.
WE'RE BUDGETING IT BASED ON OUR MEANS AT THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU GUYS HAVE THE CHOICE TO SAY, OKAY, YOU WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IT BACK UP TO 28% WITH A NEW $72 MILLION GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
SO WE NEED TO ALLOCATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO THE RESERVE.
AND SOMETHING ELSE WILL HAVE TO BE CALM.
YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR APP AND YOUR CIP, IF YOU GET THERE.
AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE STUCK ON YOUR CRP.
YOU CAN'T DO, THIS IS A BALANCED BUDGET WITHOUT MAINTAINING OUR RESERVES.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS NO INCREASE IN RESERVE LEVELS HERE, BUT THE BUDGET'S INCREASING EVERY YEAR.
WE THINK WE HAVE, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SURPLUS, WHAT SURPLUSES.
SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, SO WELL, IF THE MORE YOU MAX THAT OUT, THE MORE THAN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THINGS HAVE TO FALL OFF THE CIP.
AND IF WE TELL THEM THE SCHOOLS ARE, WE PLAN ON SOMETHING FOR A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT, TWO OR THREE YEARS OUT, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT.
IT'S GOING TO BE A, THAT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT.
THE CIP IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.
BUT IN THE PAST WE HAVE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE SURPLUS WAS PAYING CASH FOR THINGS THAT WERE IN THE CIP SHORT TERM, IT MIGHT BE THREE YEARS FROM NOW, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, IT WAS IN THE CIP.
IT WASN'T NECESSARILY DESIGNATED TO BE PAID CASH.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN PAID FOR OTHER WAYS.
SO WE'VE BEEN DOING THE SHORT-TERM PROJECTS
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TO THINGS LIKE THE, UH, TREASURER'S OFFICE OVER HERE.WE PAID ALL OF THAT OUT OF, OUT OF RESERVES.
AND WE DID IT SOONER THAN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.
SO IT TOOK IT OUT OF THE CIP THAT WE WOULD'VE HAD TO BUDGET FOR IN THE FUTURE.
BUT WE DID IT OUT OF RESERVES.
IF WE GET TO THE END OF THE YEAR AND OUR RESERVES ARE DOWN, THEN WE DON'T DO THAT.
WE TAKE THOSE RESERVES, WE SET IT ASIDE AND WE DON'T FUND CERTAIN THINGS IN THIS.
LET ME ASK IF THAT, IS THAT LEFTOVER, IS THAT ACCURATE WHEN HE SAID THAT, THAT TREND, LIKE THE EXAMPLE OF THE TREASURER'S OFFICE WAS THAT IN THE CIP.
AND THEN IF WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE IT OUT AND WE WERE ABLE TO CASH PAY CASH FOR IT.
SO IT WASN'T A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE CIP AND WE WERE ABLE TO PAY CASH FOR IT BEFOREHAND.
AND THE ANNUAL SHE HAD, HE LIKE THAT COMES UP, YOU GOT TWO CHOICES.
YOU CAN SAY, WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING AND WE HAVE A SIGNED BOUNCE, RIGHT.
THEN THE ASSIGNED AND DRAW DOWN OUR RESERVES.
OR YOU CAN SAY, OH, WE HAVE AN OPERATING SURPLUS THAT CAN COVER THAT CIP FOR THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN COVERING THE CIP CURRENT YEAR, THE RECURRENCE, THE FIBER SIX OUT OF MY BRAIN SURPLUS, WHICH ALLOWED US TO THEN MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF RESERVES AND NOT DRAW DOWN EVERY YEAR BY, BY FUNDING THE CIP OUT OF THE RESERVES.
IF YOU WILL, IT'S EITHER GOING TO FUND IT OUT OF THE RESERVES, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GONNA DRAW DOWN YOUR RESERVES OVER TIME, OR ARE YOU GOING TO FUND IT OUT MY BRANCH UP AND MAINTAIN ANDREW, ARE YOU FUNDED IN THE YEAR THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DONE? BUT IF YOU'RE IN THE OPERATING BUDGET, SO IF YOU FIND IT AN OPERATING BUDGET, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT YOU DON'T THE OPERATING BUDGET, THE OPERATING BUDGET, BECAUSE WE DO A BALANCED BUDGET SHOULDN'T ACCOUNT FOR, IT SHOULD BE, THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS TO RUN OUR OPERATIONS, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE THANKS.
I WOULD ARGUE OUR OPERATING BUDGET PAYS FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT AN OPERATING BUDGET.
AND WE KNOW EVERY YEAR WE HAVE FIVE OR 6 MILLION OF NOT OPERATING EVERY YEAR.
SO SHOULD THAT BE AS A LINE RIGHT BELOW OUR OPERATING SAY, HERE'S OPERATING IN AND HERE'S THE DONE OPERATING CIP EVERY YEAR.
THAT'S A BASELINE OF FIVE OR SIX, NOT A SCHOOL OR A FIREHOUSE, RIGHT BY THE BASE.
THAT WOULD BE JUST NUMBERS DIVIDED BY SIX.
SHOULD THAT BE SOMEWHERE IN THERE THAT SAYS, OKAY, IF WE WANT TO GET THROUGH EXACTLY, IF YOU WANT TO BALANCE YOUR FULLY ALLOCATED BUDGET RIGHT HERE, YOU'VE GOT TO PUT THAT IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
AND THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOCATED SOME RESERVES TO MAINTAIN IT.
AND ALSO WE CAN COVER THE CIP RECURRENCE.
THEN YOU GET INTO A TRUE BALANCE BY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE BEEN DOING THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS IT'S WORKED REALLY WELL.
WELL, IF YOU'VE EVER HAD, I MEAN, WE'VE DONE IT IN THE END, BUT NOTHING THAT WE'VE EVER HAD A LOT OF ITEMS TO PUT IT, TO PUT MONEY IN.
I THINK IT'S JUST THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE ALWAYS DO.
SO WE ALWAYS PUT MONEY IN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A LINE ITEM IN OUR BUDGET THAT SAID A 10% OR 5%, BUT LET'S, LET'S LET'S AS SOON AS THAT, THIS BOARD LET'S ASSUME A BOARD COMES AND SAYS, OH, WE'RE OVERTAXING EVERYBODY, $6 MILLION A YEAR.
LIKE THEN YOU'VE GOT KIND OF LIKE EVERY OTHER COUNTY INDEPENDENT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE MONEY IS.
THEY WOULDN'T GET THE MONEY BACK THEN.
WELL, BUT I THINK WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH, I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH IT, BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT RIGHT NOW, WHERE IS POLICY AND THEN THERE'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
MY, WE MIGHT, WE LINE UP THE POLICY WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
SO AT LEAST THEN A FUTURE BOARD OR THIS STORE WOULD HAVE TO INTENTIONALLY TAKE A STEP TO CHANGE POLICIES.
THAT IS A STEP TOWARDS DOING WHAT WE DON'T THINK WOULD, WOULD BE RIGHT, BECAUSE JUST NOT BRINGING IT TO IT, JUST TO, IF I, IF I DON'T SAY, HEY, I'M GOING TO CARVE OFF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MY, MY INCOME TO GO TO SAVINGS.
THEN I'M ONLY GOING TO BE PAYING MY BILLS, HAVE YOU TO BE LIVING BY MEANS JUST TO, TO MY MEANS TO THE REST OF MY LIFE.
I WANT TO SAY, NOW I GOT TO TAKE, I'M GOING TO TAKE 10% OFF THE TOP FROM SAVINGS.
AND THEN I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN MY THREE, THREE MONTHS OF BILLS IN THE BANK.
AND AS THAT 10% GETS BROUGHT IN.
BUT IF I DON'T SAY THAT I'M NEVER GOING TO DO IT.
IF I DON'T SAY I'M PUTTING THAT PART OF THAT BUDGET IS GOING TOWARDS A CIP.
AGAIN, AS WE SIT AROUND THE TABLE, WE GET IT.
BUT I'M ALSO THINKING WE HAVE A DIFFERENT BOARD.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THIS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND FISCALLY.
AT 24, WE HAVE $350,000 IN A CIP AND COURTHOUSE, COMPLEX RENOVATIONS.
WHERE'S THAT MONEY COMING FROM, UM, THAT WOULD BE COMING FROM THE 4.3, 5.4, WHICH IS THROWING THE SAVINGS
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SAVINGS WE THINK WE'RE GOING HAVE, RIGHT? EXACTLY.AT YOUR HAND, ENCOURAGE CIP IS THE SAVINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET FOR.
IT'S NOT SAVINGS, IT'S THE MONEY WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, THE BUDGET FOR THE $350,000 IN OUR NEXT YEAR'S BLOOD DRIVE.
IF WE'RE BUDGETING FOR THESE THINGS, AND YET, THEN WE TELL HIM, HEY, PAY FOR HIM WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, WITH, WITH SURPLUS THE SURPLUS.
BUT THEN WE TAKE THEM OUT OF OUR CIP AND THAT REDUCES THE, WHAT WE NEED IN THE FUTURE BUDGET.
IF, IF, IF WE DO THAT $350,000 IN THE NEXT YEAR FOR THE COURTHOUSE COMPLEX RENOVATIONS, THAT'S IN THE CIP FOR 24, RIGHT? IF WE PAY FOR IT OUT OF, UH, OUT OF, UH, UH, UH, THE, UH, TEXAS AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR, CORRECT.
IT'S EITHER USE THE SAME PAY FOR IT THAT WAY OR PAY FOR OVER THE ASSIGNED MONIES THAT WERE IN THE SKY, HOW OFTEN, AND YOU'RE DRAWN DOWN.
HOW OFTEN DO WE DO THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE, FIVE HUNDRED? HOW MANY TIMES DO WE DO THOSE OUT OF ALLOCATED MONEY? WELL, WE KNOW SOME OF THE PLANNING WE WILL DO FOR THIS SCHOOL CAME OUT OF A SIGN ASSIGNED BALANCE 3, 5, 6, 700,000, OR IS IT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION, TWO AND A HALF MILLION? MY POINT IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN PLAYING WITH THIS.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN TAKEN FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF THE EXCESS AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND PAYING FOR SOMETHING AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN TAKING A BUNCH OF SMALL CIP ITEMS. WE'VE BEEN FOUR TO 5 MILLION TO 5 MILLION A YEAR, RIGHT? ALEXIS, THE CIP.
IF YOU LOOK AT 23, 24, 23, 24, 25, BASED ON A 4% INCREASE IN REVENUES FOR THE UP, BUT DO WE NEED ANOTHER WORD, ANOTHER SESSION THAT'S NOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK MAYBE I'M BEGINNING TO THINK THAT MAYBE THIS CONVERSATION, WHICH IS A LITTLE PHILOSOPHICAL, BUT IT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE YOU'VE DROPPED RESERVES AND NOW PUT A CONTINGENT ON YOUR SAVINGS.
HAVE YOU EVER IN THE PAST USE RESERVES TO BALANCE OUR CIP? IF YOU'VE NOT, THEN THAT'S THE CHANGE THAT YOU SEEING.
THAT'S MAKING US UNCOMFORTABLE.
I KNOW AT THE END OF THE YEAR WE DO IT, BUT YOU'RE IN THE FUTURE CIP BASED ON RESERVES.
NOW, HAVE YOU DONE THAT IN THE PAST, BALANCING YOUR CIP WITH RESERVES EVERY YEAR WITH A SIGN.
SO THEN WHY, WHY DID YOU DROP THE RESERVES LINE AND START CALLING IT A CONTINGENT ON JUST CAUSE IT'S CONTINGENT? WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL BE THERE.
YOU KNOW? I MEAN, BUT I DO KNOW IT'LL BE THERE.
THIS, YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD SAY? WHAT WOULD, I THINK IF WE HAD A PROJECTED WHAT OUR RESERVES WOULD, IT COULD BE HERE RIGHT HERE THAT WE'RE SAYING, NO, THAT'S SAYING, LET'S SAY WHAT REVENUES WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOWARDS THESE THINGS.
THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR REVENUES ARE GOING TO BE.
IF YOU HAVE A GATE, WE'VE GOT THIS 19 IN THE BANK, IT'S PROJECTED FOR 23 TO 27 TO BE THIS THIS MUCH.
THEN WE WOULD KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE IT IS BASED ON WHATEVER THE BUDGET IS.
LET'S SEE, MICHAEL MIKE IS HERE FOR ME FOR THE 2223 FOR ME AND FOR ROUGHLY, OKAY.
THEN OUT OF 24, THAT'S 8.4% INCREASE.
NEXT YEAR, ANOTHER 15% IS EXTRA OR ANOTHER 22 AND EVEN INCREASING 15 TO 22%.
NOW WE'VE BEEN STAYING PRETTY STEADY.
AND I THINK THAT'S A HISTORY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE PRETTY CONSISTENTLY SPENT FIVE OR $6 MILLION ON THE CIP EVERY YEAR.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS BEEN WORKING REALLY WELL.
WE NEED TO DECIDE POLICY AND PHILOSOPHY, AND THEN IT'LL TRANSLATE INTO THE NUMBERS WE'VE BEEN DOING IS GENERATE A SURPLUS OF 7 MILLION, GONE DOWN A SIGN TO PAY FOR SEVEN MAJOR PROJECTS,
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TAKE A SEVEN MINUTE SURPLUS AND ASSIGN THOSE TO NEW PROJECTS, MAINTAIN YOUR RESERVES, CASH FUNDS.DOESN'T DETERIORATE HER FINANCIAL POSITION OVER TIME, RIGHT? SO IT WAS OUR POLICY, THE CASH FUND, THE CIP ANNUAL ANNUAL PORTIONS AND MAINTAIN THE RESERVES IS OUR, IS OUR POLICY MAINTAIN THE RESERVES AND CASH FROM THE CIP PORTION OUT OF THE JAR.
AND THEN DO WE WANT TO BUILD OUR RESERVES ON THE SUNSHINY COMPLETE DURING THE RECESSION? THOSE ARE KIND OF BIG POLICY DECISIONS CASHED BY THE CIP, MAINTAINED THE RESERVES OVER TIME AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET, BUT YOU WILL BE PINNED TO IT FOR 10 YEARS NOW WHEN YOUR BUDGET IS GROWING 2% A YEAR, IT GETS REAL EASY.
WHEN YOUR BUDGET GROWS 13 TO 15% A YEAR, IT'S A LOT HARDER BECAUSE YOU GOT TO ALLOCATE SOME REAL MONEY.
WHEN IT'S 2%, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ROUNDING.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT, THAT'S WHY IT RAISES THIS YEAR.
NOT EVERY YEAR IS BECAUSE IT'S A BIGGER NUMBER AND IT'S GOING TO A COUPLE OF LESSONS NOT ATTENDED FOR A FEW YEARS COULD ADDRESS THIS OUT OF ALIGNMENT.
SO IS A PROCESS 4.4, ALMOST 1.4.
AND MY HUSBAND, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TAKEN OUT IN RESERVES BECAUSE THAT'S REVENUE.
SO WE HAVE THE RESERVE BUCKET 4.4 IS WHAT WE'VE TAKEN OUT OF RESERVES SO FAR THIS YEAR.
IN FACT IT MIGHT BE HIGHER, BUT AGAIN, THAT NUMBER REPRESENTS IS GET EXACTLY.
WHEN YOU DO THAT, ARE YOU LOOKING TO SEE IF WE'RE ON TRACK TO GROW ARE ON THE SIDE AND ASIDE RESERVE FUNDS BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT TO CHEW UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT THINGS TO SEE WHERE WE'D BE ABLE.
I, AND THIS IS A GENUINE QUESTION.
ARE YOU LOOKING TO TODAY FOR SURE ARE UNDERSIGNED OUR RESERVE FUNDS GROWTH CONSISTENT WITH A BUDGET WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE TRACKING HOW WE'RE DRAWING DOWN RESERVES.
SO I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT A LONG WAY.
UM, I AGREE WITH WHAT MR. PEARSON JUST DESCRIBED IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ASSIGNED THAT 7 MILLION, YOU SPEND IT SO TO SPEAK AND THEN YOU FILL IT BACK UP.
SO, SO WE'VE GOT THIS BUCKET OF $40 MILLION DIVIDED INTO DIFFERENT PARTS.
SO DO I PLAN ON US BREAKING EVEN THIS YEAR, ESSENTIALLY DOING WHAT MR. PETERSON SAID, ASSIGNING THAT 4.39, SIX USING IT AND THEN FILLING IT BACK UP AGAIN.
IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, THIS UNASSIGNED HASN'T GROWN ENOUGH AND THE BUCKET IS STILL 40 MILLION, THE FIRST THING WE WOULD DO IS INCREASE THAT ON ASSIGNED AMOUNT AND DECREASE THE, ASSIGN THEM OUT, UM, TO ALLOCATE MORE TO THE UNASSIGNED AND MEET THE POLICY.
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU LET IT LOWER FROM 40 MILLION AND DIRECT YOUR BUDGET? I DON'T HAVE HEARTBURN OVER THAT.
AND I HAVE ASKED, I SHOULDN'T QUOTE HIM HERE, BUT SPOKEN TO OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR AND HE SAID, YES, IT WOULD BE OKAY TO SPEND DOWN SOME OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, UH, IT WOULD NOT BE RUINOUS TO OUR TRIPLE A, WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT EVERY YEAR? NO.
NO, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A WHOLE LOT EASIER THAN TO TRY TO REPLENISH THEM AND BUILD THEM UP, BUILD THEM UP.
YOU HAVE TO SPEND LESS THAN YOU TAKE IN TO MAINTAIN THEM.
YOU SIMPLY ONLY HAVE TO SPEND WHAT YOU TAKE AND IT'S EASIER TO MAINTAIN IT.
SO WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, WE CAN DRAW IT DOWN TO FIVE OR 10 AND I'M STILL NOT THINKING AHEAD, TRYING TO PUT THAT 5% BACK IS THE HARD PART, KEEPING IT EASY.
MY AGITA, MY HEARTBURN COMES FROM THE BUDGET'S GROWING AT 13% OR WE'RE TAKING 4 BILLION RESERVES JUST GROWING AT 12% AND WE'RE DRAWING DOWN A MAJORITY AND THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS THE SUNSHINE.
IS THAT GOOD FISCAL POLICY AT THIS POINT? I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, THIS YEAR IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS YEAR IT'S NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU KNOW, THE ASSESSMENTS ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION.
I'M NOT DRAWING DOWN ON RESERVES WHILE THE PUNCH IS GROWING LIKE A WEED.
AND ANYWAY, THAT'S MORE CONVERSATION.
WE'RE ACTUALLY CLOSER THAN WE SEEN ON, ON OUR PHILOSOPHY, BUT, UH, SHE'S PHENOMENAL BIG PIECE OF MONEY, BUT WE CAN BE
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SO I KNOW THE AGENDA.I, I, WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN HERE, MR. OWL, LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.
[IV. Dinner Break/Recess]
UNTIL OUR 6:00 PM FOR OUR DINNER BREAK AND BE BACK FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AT 6:00 PM.