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AND GENTLEMEN.WELL, THANKS EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE IS MY HONOR AND PLEASURE TO CALL TO ORDER THE APRIL 12, 3:00 PM.
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER WORK SESSION.
I KNOW WE HAVE A LAPTOP WITH NO FURTHER ADO.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DOCTORATE.
WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
UH, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND SOME TIME GAGE.
IT PROVIDES YOU WITH AN UPDATE REGARDING THE WORK THAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER INVOLVING, UH, THIS WAS REAL IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO A SET OF FEW SLIDES, AND I'VE SHARED SOME OF THESE WITH YOU ALREADY TODAY, SO THAT YOU HAVE A CHANCE MAYBE TO REVIEW.
THOSE CERTAINLY CAN TAKE DEEPER, UH, IN THIS PRESENTATION TODAY.
UH, BUT JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE PAST CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE, I'M JUST GOING TO GO BACK IN HISTORY JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, TILL ABOUT AUGUST OF THIS PAST YEAR, WHENEVER THE SCHOOL DIVISION WILL HIRE THE ARCHITECT TO BEGIN THE DESIGN WORK FOR THE NEW GOOGLE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I SPENT SOME TIME IN THE FALL OF THE YEAR, WORKING THROUGH THE VISION FOR THAT PROJECT, WORKING THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
WHAT DO WE WANT THIS SCHOOL TO BE? UH, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THAT PROJECT, WE LEARNED SOME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID NOT FORECAST AT THE TIME SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO OFFSITE UTILITIES AND SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT WE DID NOT RECOGNIZE WHEN WE BUILT OUR ORIGINAL BUDGET, HOW TO DESIGN, BUT THAT DESIGN OUTPUT PRICING LEARNED IN JANUARY THAT THAT DESIGN WAS APPROXIMATELY $15 MILLION ABOVE THE BUDGET THAT WE ORIGINALLY CREATED.
UH, SINCE JANUARY WITH THAT SHOCK, UH, WE HAVE CERTAINLY BEEN REVIEWING A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES AND OPTIONS, INCLUDING, UH, POTENTIALLY PURCHASING NEW LAND AND BUILDING A SCHOOL OR NEW LAND.
WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT RENOVATING THE EXISTING GOOCHLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND BUILDING AN ADDITION ONTO THAT.
AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT BUILDING A NEW SCHOOL ONE YEAR EXISTING LAND, AND WE REVIEWED ALL OF THAT THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE TOGETHER, BUT JUST WANTED TO HASH THAT THROUGH FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.
AND SO ANOTHER OPTION THAT WE HAD AT EXPLORED IS GOING TRULY BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, REALLY GOING BACK TO SQUARE ONE AND SEEING WHAT WE COULD DO TO PROVIDE SOME EFFICIENCIES AND DESIGN, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE SITE AND ULTIMATELY WHAT CAN WE DO TO COMPRESS OUR DESIGN SO THAT WE CAN FIND SOME EFFICIENCIES AND SAVINGS.
AND SO THAT'S MY GOAL FOR TODAY IS TO GIVE THE GROUP AN UPDATE WITH WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO I'M SURE YOU CAN PICTURE IN YOUR HEAD WHAT THE PREVIOUS DESIGN LOOKED LIKE.
IT WAS LONG AND SKINNY AND HAD SOME INS AND OUTS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT DESIGN WAS INITIALLY AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THE POD GRAPHY CHANGES THAT WE HAVE ON THE SITE.
AND SO WE PASSED ARCHITECTS WITH BRINGING US A MUCH MORE SIMPLE DESIGN, A MUCH, MUCH MORE SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
AND SO THIS IS THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION OF THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL EARLY IN THE PROCESS.
WE JUST FINISHED THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PROCESS THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S PRETTY MUCH, UH, A SIMPLE RECTANGLE.
UH, THE EXTERIOR IS BRICK, UH, AND SO WINDOWS WERE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE OUTSIDE.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED THROUGH THE PROCESS INITIALLY WAS, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS HAVE ADDITIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECTS LIKE THIS CLASS IS EXPENSIVE.
UH, YOU KNOW, EXTERIOR ELEMENTS ARE EXPENSIVE AND SO BRICK IS LESS EXPENSIVE AS YOU CAN SEE.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF BIG GLASS IN THIS DESIGN.
UH, WE DID TRY TO COMPROMISE WITH HAVING ENOUGH OUTSIDE LIGHT COME IN.
SO THAT DID NOT FEEL LIKE AN INSTITUTIONAL SETTING.
AND SO THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A ON AMOUNT OF WINDOWS, BUT NO LARGE AREAS OF GLASS.
AND SO JUST FROM A I'M LOOKING IN, THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
YOU HAVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SECTION HERE WITH YOUR CLINIC IN YOUR OFFICE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE GYMNASIUM HERE, CAFETERIA AND FOOD SERVICE.
AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS ACADEMIC.
SO, UH, AGAIN, A MUCH SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAN WE HAD IN THE PAST, A MUCH MORE COMPACT DESIGN, UH, STILL 650 K THROUGH FIVE STUDENTS, PLUS 50 PRESCHOOL STUDENTS FOR A TOTAL OF 700 STUDENTS THAT STILL HAS NOT CHANGED.
AND SO WE ARE STILL IN THE 104,000 SQUARE FOOT RANGE.
IT'S STILL INCLUDING ALL OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE HAD.
WE JUST CHANGED THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING TO MAKE IT MUCH MORE COMPACT.
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LITTLE BIT OF THE DESIGN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THIS IS A SECURE VESTIBULE HERE.UH, AND THEN WE HAVE THE OFFICE COMPLEX HERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF ALL THE CORE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS, PLUS YOUR MEDICAL FUNCTIONS, A FULL-SIZED BASKETBALL COURT OR EIGHT MIDDLE SCHOOL SIZE BASKETBALL FORT TO ALLOW US TO ACCOMMODATE EATING ACTIVITIES FOR HIM.
I SORT OF COME IN AND USE AS WELL AS OPPORTUNITIES FOR DATING BASKETBALL TEAMS CAN USE THAT SAFE.
SO IT'S NOT, AND ELEMENTARY SIZED SCHOOL GYMNASIUM.
IT IS THE MIDDLE SCHOOL SIZE GYMNASIUM FOOD SERVICE AND A FRUIT PREP AREA HERE.
IN FACT, WE HAD OUR MECHANICAL ROOM AND THROUGH THE REST OF THIS SPINE HERE IS WHERE WE HAVE OUR DINING.
SO THAT'S YOUR CAFETERIA SPACE.
SO THOSE SERVICES ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, AND THEN THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR FOOTPRINT.
AND WHAT YOU CAN SAY IS IT'S ALL ACADEMICS WITH KINDERGARTEN, FIRST GRADE AND PRESCHOOL CLASSROOMS THAT ARE LINES UP TOGETHER.
THEY'RE ADJACENT TO ONE ANOTHER, SOME OTHER CORE SERVICES THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR LIBRARY IS SPLIT INTO TWO SECTIONS OF A MORE ELEMENTARY LOOKING LIBRARY WITH K THROUGH TWO AND THEN 3 35 KIND OF SPACE.
SO DEVELOPMENTALLY DIFFERENT BASED ON THE NEEDS OF KIDS.
ESSENTIALLY THE MIDDLE SECTION OF THE BUILDING IS THE LIBRARY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME OFFICE SPACES HERE THAT ARE FOR OUR ITINERANT STAFF OR A PHYSICAL THERAPIST OR PATHOLOGISTS.
THOSE FOLKS HAVE TRAVELED FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING THIS PATIENT FOR THEM ON THE VERY END OF THIS SIDE, HERE WE HAVE THE MUSIC CLASSROOM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME SPECIAL EDUCATION CLASSROOMS SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT.
SO LARGELY ACADEMIC AND SOME OF THE CORE SERVICES THROUGH THE MIDDLE.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S A MUCH MORE SIMPLISTIC DESIGN ON THE PAST, UH, THE SECOND FLOOR STACKS CLASSROOMS IN CABO, THE ONES BELOW THEM.
SO A LOT OF THAT WAS DONE FOR EFFICIENCIES FOR PLUMBING AND HEATING VENTILATION, AS FAR AS THE ELECTRICITY.
UH, SO YOU HAVE YOUR REMAINDER OF YOUR ACADEMIC CLASSROOMS. THERE ARE CLASSROOM HERE ON TOP WITH THE MUSIC, UH, STAIRS TO GO UPSTAIRS AND DOWNSTAIRS WAS SOME COMMON TOILETS FOR OUR OLDER STUDENTS TO BE ABLE TO USE THERE SOME ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE HERE FOR OUR COUNSELORS AND SUPPORT STAFF AS WELL, AND THIS KIND OF BLOCK, SO TO SPEAK.
AND THEN YOU HAVE STAIRS AND GROUND AS WELL AS SOME RESTAURANTS SELF-CONTAINED CLASSROOM HERE, SELF-CONTAINED CLASS WITH HERE FOR SOME SMALL GROUP INSTRUCTION.
SO REALLY A QUITE A SIMPLE DESIGN CLASSROOM STACKED ONE ON TOP OF ANOTHER.
AND REALLY THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR SERVICES THROUGH THE MIDDLE.
AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST IS THE SITE.
AND SO WE REALLY TRIED TO, AGAIN, COMPACT THE DESIGN SO THAT WE ARE USING THE SITE FOR EFFICIENTLY.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS STILL IN CONCEPT PHASE.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE FINAL SITE DESIGN BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO WORK WITH COUNTY STAFF AND MIGHT NEED TO MAKE SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS REALLY TRIES WHERE WE COULD DO USE THE SITE MORE EFFICIENTLY TO ENTRANCES COMING OFF OF BULLDOGS WAY AFTER WE CROSSED THE WATERSHED AND FRONT SEPARATE QUEST FLUTE HERE, OPPORTUNITY FOR BUSES TO PARK DURING THE COURSE OF THE DAY, UH, WE NEED EXTRA SCORES THERE.
YOU HAVE AN ACCESS TO GOES TO THE REAR TO SERVE THE FOOD SERVICE AREA AND MECHANICAL WAY, THOSE KIND OF, UH, OPERATIONAL SERVICES, SO TO SPEAK.
SO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A TRUCK TO GET IN THERE AND BACK UP AND DO A THREE POINT TURN AND LEAVE A PARKING IN THE FRONT AS WELL IS PARKING IN THE BACK.
SO ONE OF THE INITIAL DESIGNS WE HAD HAD PARKING ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT.
AND ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT WE HAD WAS IT REALLY LOOKED LIKE YOU'RE PULLING UP TO A STRIP MALL WITH A BIG RECTANGLE AND NOTHING BUT PARKING LOT IN THE FRONT AND CHALLENGE THAT LOOK A LITTLE BIT AND TRIED TO MIX IT UP AS HAVING SOME GREEN SPACE HERE IN FRONT, SOME PLAYGROUNDS AND OUTSIDE SPACES HERE, PARKING LOT IN THE BACK.
SO CERTAINLY NOT PARKING FOR, TO ACCOMMODATE ANY SORT OF NEEDS WE HAVE DURING THE DAY.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE ACTIVITIES MAY HAPPEN, BUT THAT'S THE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE.
THE PLAYGROUND PLAYGROUND PLAY FIELD, UH, THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ACCESS TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING RACE OR EMERGENCY SERVICES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.
BUT IF THIS CONTINUES TO GO DOWN THE DESIGN PHASE, WE'LL WORK WITH COUNTY STAFF AND EMERGENCY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE ACCESS THAT'S NEEDED, BUT THIS IS STILL QUITE EARLY.
SO LET ME STOP THERE FOR A MOMENT AND SEE WHAT QUESTIONS THE GROUP MAY HAVE ABOUT SITE PLAN AND DESIGN.
SO IT'S THE SAME SCOPE AS WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
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IS THERE AN ELEVATOR, AN ELEVATOR ORIENT MYSELF? THAT'S THE ELEVATOR RIGHT THERE.YEAH, A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE TELLING US HORN'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DETERMINED.
AND ONCE WE GET FARTHER DOWN, WE WANT TO TRY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE AS POSSIBLE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT FITS INTO THE, INTO THE WOODS APPROPRIATELY.
I WAS JUST THINKING
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE AESTHETICS HERE, BUT TO THE FAR LEFT, THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT SAYS SWM THEIR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
AND SO THAT IS WHERE THE COOLING TOWER OR WHATEVER THE PUMP STATION OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE ALL THE RUNOFFS THOUGH.
AND THEN THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE SEWER PUMP STATION WATER FOR SERVICES, UTILITY KIND OF STUFF.
AND THEN THAT'S THE ACCESS ROUTES AND SERVICE ALL THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS BEING MINDFUL OF THE SITE WORK THAT WAS THERE.
THAT WAS WHAT CAUGHT US OFF GUARD.
INITIALLY, OF COURSE, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHETHER WE DID OR DIDN'T NEED THIS PUMP STATION, BUT WE DO.
BUT, UH, SO WHAT HAVE WE GIVEN, OR IS THERE ANY SORT OF SENSE ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THE AESTHETICS THAT YOU MENTIONED THERE INSTEAD OF HAVING PARKING LOT ACROSS THE FRONT NOW HAVING THE ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY TO THE BACK AND THAT SORT OF STUFF, IS THERE ANY SENSE OF WHAT THAT, WHEN WE MADE THAT DECISION TO GO WITH THIS CONCEPT? UH, I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
I SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR US TO GO BACK HERE.
AND AT THAT TIME I WAS A LITTLE BIT, IT WAS COST NEUTRAL PARKING LOT HERE.
UM, CAUSE YOU STILL NEED TO PROVIDE, YOU STILL NEED TO, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF ACCESS TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BE THAT A WIDENED SIDEWALK OR SOME OTHER SORT OF HALFWAY.
WE WERE EMERGENCY VEHICLES BACK THERE.
SO YOU STILL HAVE TO GRADE THIS, BUT I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE EVEN THOUGH WE'VE COMPRESSED THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, THAT THE OVERALL SITE WORK IS REALLY DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT BASED ON WHAT WE RECEIVED YESTERDAY, WE DIDN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF SAVINGS.
IF ANY INSIGHT WORK INITIALLY IT SEEMS WE COULD GET SOME SAVINGS NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THREE SEPARATE FOUNDATIONS NOW SO ULTIMATELY THE GOAL WAS TO SAVE SIGHT THE MOSQUES AND TO FIND A MUCH SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO UTILIZE LESS ASPHALT, LESS GRADING, LESS DISTURBANCE, RESPITE REDUCED COSTS.
AND YOU START TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION YES.
SO WHAT JAMIE WAS JUST MENTIONING IS, IS IT DEFINITIVE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE SOME WATER AND EXTRA WATER SUPPLY THERE? I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, UNCERTAINTY.
THAT THAT'S, THAT IS STILL AN UNCERTAINTY.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL EARLY IN THE PROCESS.
WE WERE OPTIMISTIC THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE TOGETHER, THAT WE DID NOT NEED TO HAVE THAT WATER STORAGE TANK ON SITE.
THERE WERE SOME CALCULATIONS THAT WERE DONE IN SOME SCENARIOS THAT WERE RUN THAT SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE MODIFY THIS AND THIS LOCATION, YOU WON'T HAVE TO DO THAT OVER HERE.
WE'VE SINCE LEARNED THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT AS EASY AS WE ONCE THOUGHT.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH PUBLIC UTILITIES AND PLANNING DEPARTMENTS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO THERE.
THIS CONVERSATION HAS KIND OF STALLED A LITTLE BIT.
UH, BUT WE PUT THOSE COSTS BACK IN TO THE, JUST SO THAT WE MAKE SURE WE ACCOUNTING FOR THAT.
IT'S ABOUT 1.1, $6 MILLION IN HOMELESS
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WITH RESPECT TO THE WETLANDS.WE'VE ALREADY SENT THE APPLICATION TO THE U S ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR US TO GET THE PERMITTING ACROSS THE WETLANDS AND PROCESSES.
SO DON'T TELL THEM IT'S ABOUT A SIX MONTH PROCESS.
WE SENT THEM THE APPLICATION, I THINK IT WAS IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY FIND OUT THIS SUMMER.
SO THE BIG QUESTION IS, IS THERE A REASON WE'RE HERE IS OKAY, WELL, WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN? YOU'VE DONE ALL THIS WORK AND LOOKED AT OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES COMPACTED THE SITE YOU'VE GONE BACK AND DONE REDESIGN, BUT WHAT'S AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN? THERE IS POSITIVE NEWS, JUST NOT AS POSITIVE AS WE HAD HOPED THAT IT WOULD BE.
AND SO, UH, GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF THIS EARLIER TODAY, BUT I WANTED TO WALK THROUGH OR FOR THE BENEFIT OF A PROBABLY SO I'LL JUST WALK THROUGH IT.
SO THAT WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO ALL OF THESE ENTITIES FOR WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN ON PREVIOUS DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE SHARED, UH, AND IN THIS LIGHT COLUMN VERTICALLY WAS OUR ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WHEN WE WERE CREATING ESTIMATES THIS TIME, LAST YEAR, PREPARING FOR THE BOND REFERENDUM AND ALL THE WORK THAT WE DID, UH, TO PUBLICIZE THAT AT WORK, UM, IT WAS BASED OFF OF $282 PER SQUARE FEET.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE AT $39.3 MILLION INITIALLY.
AND THEN AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE FALL, WE START LEARN ABOUT THESE OFFSITE UTILITY ISSUES.
AND WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS.
WE WERE HERE IN ABOUT NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER.
WE KNEW ABOUT THE OFFSITE UTILITIES AND THE WATER STORAGE AND ALL THOSE CHALLENGES THERE.
SO, UH, AND BEFORE WE LEFT FOR WINTER BREAK, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABOUT $3.3 MILLION OVER, OVER BUDGET AT THE TIME.
AND THEN IN JANUARY WE SUBMITTED THE COST ESTIMATES TO, UH, THE SCHOOL DIVISIONS, COST ESTIMATOR, PHARMAS, DOWNEY, AND SCOTT, DAVE WORKED FOR STANTEC.
AND THEN AS WE KNOW, ONCE WE DID THAT INITIAL COST ESTIMATE, HE CAME BACK AT $54.3 MILLION, WHICH WAS FOUR POINT $14 MILLION OVER OUR BUDGET.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO WITH THIS NEW DESIGN, WE DID THE SAME THING, SUBMITTED IT TO COST ESTIMATORS.
AND BASED ON THAT RETURN, $438 PER SQUARE FEET, $53 MILLION PROJECT, WHICH IS 13.6, $7 MILLION OVER OUR ORIGINAL BUDGET OF $39 BILLION.
SO WE WERE AT 8%, OVER 38% OVER WE'RE NOW DOWN TO 34.7, 5% OVER, UH, AND WE ARE CONTINUALLY MONITORING WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OTHER LOCALITIES.
WE RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION FROM ISLE OF WIGHT RECENTLY THAT WENT THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND THEY WERE IN THE 30% OVER BUDGET RANGE.
SO, UM, WE ALSO ATTRACT ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WAS IN, UH, WE'RE WATCHING WHAT HANOVER'S DOING.
WE'RE TRACKING A PROJECT AND PRINCE ONE OF THOSE PRINCESS PRINCIPLE JORDAN IS, ARE ONE OF THOSE NORTHERN NECK KING GEORGE.
ONE OF THOSE SMALLER SCHOOL DIVISIONS HAROLD IN THE MIDDLE PENINSULA AND THEIR PROJECTS ARE IN THE 30% OVER AS WELL.
SO THESE NUMBERS ARE SHOCKING TO US ALL CONCERNING TO US ALL, BUT IT IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE MARKET AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, UM, THE OPTIMIST OPTIMIST IN US HOPES THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE EXTREMELY HIGH AND CONSERVATIVE.
UH, THE SCHOOL BOARD KNOWS, AND I'LL SHARE PUBLICLY THAT OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL HIGH SCHOOL PAVING PROJECT CAME IN ABOUT $300,000 BELOW BUDGET, WHICH WAS POSITIVE.
UM, WE RECENTLY WENT OUT TO BID FOR THE COOLING TOWER AT GOOCHLAND HIGH SCHOOL.
WE HAD A $1.1 MILLION BUDGET FOR THAT.
IT CAME IN ABOUT $600,000 WITH ALL THE ADD ON.
SO YOU HAVE HAD TWO RECENT PROJECTS GO TO BID, CERTAINLY NONE OF THIS SCOPE, BUT THEY HAVE COME IN UNDER BUDGET.
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ULTIMATELY WE'D HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHERE THIS ONE WOULD COME IN.LEE, YOU MENTIONED TWO, THREE OR OTHER THE ROYALTY FOLKS THAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE 30%.
UM, COULD YOU GIVE US THE HARD DOLLAR AMOUNT, NOT THE RELATIVE, BUT THE HARD DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE STUDY ON SCHOOL.
YEAH, I CAN, I DON'T KNOW THEM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
YOU CERTAINLY CAN GET THAT FOR YOU AND SHARE IT WITH THE SQUARE FOOT OR TOTAL COST OR WHATEVER, JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING ON.
YEAH, I, I, YEAH, I HAVEN'T HAD, IT'S AN EMAIL SAVED SOMEWHERE.
I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH THE GROUP ONCE I CAN, SINCE THAT YEAH.
I UNDERSTAND THE DRIP AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR THE LEVEL DR.
RILEY, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ITEMS THAT ARE FOLDED VERSUS PLAIN FONT, LIKE THREE MINUTES, 2016.
SO HE WANTS A DIFFERENT, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S BOLDEN, WHATSAPP? UH, I THINK TO BRING ATTENTION TO THESE TWO FIGURES BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THEY WILL, ONCE WE DID THAT FORECAST AND THIS, UH, THE OFFSET UTILITIES STARTED CONVERSATION, UH, ABOUT OVER DOES THAT TIME.
SO WE'VE JUST CONTINUED TO CARRY THOSE THROUGH NELLY AND THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE VARIABLES, UM, COULD BE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE YOUR STANFORD TO BE IN, TO SEE THE SOFT COSTS.
2D AND TO SEE THEY ARE, UH, THEY'RE CONTRACTED COSTS.
YOU HAVE THEIR BOLTS, THEY'VE ALL DIFFERENT, SAME REASONS.
I WAS GONNA SAY YES, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OWNER REP ORIGINALLY.
I GUESS WE DIDN'T HAVE COMMISSIONING OVER IT ORIGINALLY.
THAT WAS REQUESTED LAST YEAR BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT, OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER IS THAT TIME IS MONEY, AS WE KNOW, AND A LOT OF WAYS, AND THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY SOLD THE BONDS AND WE WERE PAYING INTEREST ON THOSE BONDS.
SO THE LONGER THAT WE GO WITHOUT THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE PAYING ONE INTEREST FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF RECEIVING.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME WE'RE TOGETHER.
AND THEN WE LOOKED AT SOME ALTERNATIVE STRATEGIES FOR FUNDING, SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA CLOSE ANY SORT OF GAP BY ANY ONE STRATEGY.
THE SCHOOL DIVISION HAS BENEFITED FOR US AND FROM SOME BETTER PRICING ON THOSE TWO PROJECTS.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS THERE, NOT A LOT OF SAVINGS, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY LEVERAGE TOWARDS REDUCING THIS AS WELL.
UM, AND SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WITHOUT ANY SORT OF ALTERNATIVE DIRECTION WITH SCHOOL DIVISION PLANS ON CONTINUING TO MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD, UH, AND YOU KNOW, THEN ULTIMATELY WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AT TIME.
ONCE I GUESS WE GET BIDS, BUT ANY SORT OF DELAY COULD CERTAINLY IMPACT THE OPENING OF THE SCHOOL WHEN AUGUST OF 2024.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH OUR PUBLIC AS WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THE BOND REFERENDUM PROCESS, BUT IT'S A WORK SESSION.
SO YOU MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO TURN THE SCHOOL AROUND.
THIS ONE WAS TO REDUCE SIDE WATER, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT DIDN'T SAVE ANY MONEY
WE DID NOT SEE THAT IN THE ESTIMATE THAT WE RECEIVED YESTERDAY.
NOW, SIR, WHERE THE BENEFIT CAME WAS IN THE FIRST SQUARE FOOT COSTS, WHICH WAS $13 PER SQUARE FOOT.
AND THAT WAS REALLY IN THE FOUNDATION, UH, FEWER WINDOWS, BRICK, EXTERIOR, THOSE KIND OF THINGS IS WHERE WE THE SAME.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TIMING BECAUSE YOU STARTED TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD AND DON'T WANT TO MISS THE TARGET OPENING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, COULD YOU SEEING OTHER COUNTING SPACE THE SAME OVER, I KEEP YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY'RE FACING ZONE, WHICH IS ALSO THINKING OUR JOBS.
WE ALSO HEAR THAT THINGS ARE GOING UP IN PRICE AND IN NOW IT TAKES MUCH LONGER TO GET MATERIALS, LABOR CHALLENGES.
SO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT INTO WHAT CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
THAT OBVIOUSLY IMPLIES THERE'S A DECISION POINT.
YOU'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD, BUT THERE'S A DECISION POINT.
SO TALK ABOUT, PUT IT IN UNTIL LIKE MONTHS POINTS IN THE CALENDAR.
SO, UH, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE INTO THE DETAILED DESIGN PHASE BACK IN MARCH.
SO WE'VE LOST ABOUT TWO OR THREE MONTHS, MAYBE EVEN FOUR
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IN THE PROCESS.AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'VE HAD A NICE TWO YEAR WINDOW IN THERE WHERE WE COULD BREAK GROUND CONSTRUCT, MOVE IN.
WE WERE, WE WERE IN A REALLY GREAT PLACE WITH OUR SCHEDULE.
AND SO YOU CAN IMAGINE IF YOU'RE A CONTRACTOR AND YOU HAVE TWO YEARS TO BUILD THE SCHOOL, IT MIGHT TAKE 14 OR 15 MONTHS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S GOING TO HELP FROM A LABOR STANDPOINT, UH, ACQUISITION OF SUPPLIES STANDPOINT.
AND SO THE LONGER THAT WE GO AND WE NARROW THAT WINDOW BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST 24TH, POTENTIALLY THERE MAY BE A PREMIUM ON LABOR AND MAYBE A PREMIUM ON SUPPLIES SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'VE SHORTENED THAT WHAT WE'VE FOUND ON THE PAINTING PROJECT WAS WE WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE ANY CONTRACTORS BID ON THAT PROJECT BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO FIT IT INTO THE SUMMER.
AND WHEN WE SAID TO THEM, CAN WE PHASE THIS IN ANY WAY? THEN WE HAD TWO CONTRACTORS THAT BID IN OUR BID CAME IN UNDER BUDGET.
SO IF YOU HAVE A NARROW TIMEFRAME, POTENTIALLY YOUR COSTS GO UP.
AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF.
WELL, YOU CAN, IT IS AN OPTION TO STAY ANOTHER HALF YEAR OR A YEAR AND OCCURRENCE PLACE IF YOU NEED TO DO THAT IS AN OPTION.
THERE ARE STILL DIVISIONS THAT OPEN UP NEW SCHOOLS.
AND SO WHEN YOU, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED MAKES ME THINK ABOUT THE BID PROCESS.
WHAT, WHEN DO YOU, WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET THIS OUT TO THE, UH, INITIALLY WE HAD PLANNED TO HAVE BEEN AND GETTING IN JULY.
I THINK WE'RE NOW PROBABLY LOOKING AT A OCTOBER, NOVEMBER BID WOULD BE MY GUESS AND WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN YOU'RE UP TO DECIDE ON SETTING ASIDE THE MONEY DISCUSSION, WHAT OTHER PIECES HAVE TO HAPPEN.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE, RIGHT? YEAH.
ARCHITECTS WILL NOW NEED TO TAKE THIS SCHEMATIC AND START TO LOOK AT THE DETAIL ABOUT WHERE THE HVC UNITS ARE GOING TO BE AND TAKE THIS 10% DESIGN AND GET IT TO 50, 60% DESIGN HAVING ANOTHER CHECKPOINT.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THEM TO A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN YOUR BENEFIT PACKAGE IN THE COMING MONTH.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO RELEASE OUR ARCHITECTS AND SAYING, GO DO THE STEPS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO GET THIS OUT IN THE PUBLIC MARKET.
SO IF YOU COULD DO AN OCTOBER PUTTING OUT TO BID, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET OUT AND SEE WHAT COMES BACK.
LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT FALL END OF THE YEAR, BEST CASE SCENARIO NOW TO GET BIDS.
AND SO YOU'RE ALREADY IN A MUCH SHORTER TWO YEAR WINDOW CONSTRUCT AN OPEN, RIGHT? YEAH.
HYPOTHETICALLY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AWARDING BIDS JANUARY 1ST, 2023, 18 MONTH CONSTRUCTION CYCLE.
MAYBE NOT CORRECT HERE, BUT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS INFORMATION PRETTY HOT OFF THE PRESSES.
SO LOOKING AT, I GUESS THE GROOM'S SIDE OF THE TABLE, THAT BRIAN'S SIDE, UM, HOW DO YOU, UH, WHAT WHAT'S Y'ALL'S PLAN AS A BOARD TO, YOU KNOW, AFTER SEEING THIS, LIKE, ARE YOU PRETTY GOOD AT HAVING WORK SESSIONS OR WHAT'S YOUR NO, I THINK WE'RE AT THIS DOCTOR WE DESCRIBED, WE EITHER HAVE TO SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS OR CONTINUE WITH THREE AND WORK TO GET THE DESIGN, TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THE BID, TO BE ABLE TO BEGIN THE WORK.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS.
WE'VE COMMITTED TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THE QUESTION HAS BEEN WHETHER THE ORIGINAL PLAN IS SOMETHING WE COULD DEAL WITH.
WE WERE ALL SHOCKED THAT THE COST, AS WE'VE SAID EVERY TIME, UM, I HAVE NO IDEA OF GLASS WOULD BE AS MUCH AS IT HAS PROVEN TO BE.
SO THAT'S, AGAIN, SOMETHING WE ASKED FOR, THERE'S LESS GLASS IN THIS BUILDING, EVERYTHING THAT WE TRIED TO DO THIS TO GET TO THE LESS COST SO THAT IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE RANGE OF POSSIBILITY.
SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE HAVE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE, UH, THE DESIGN SO THAT THE BID PROCESS AND DIDN'T WANT THAT NUMBER COMES BACK.
THAT WILL BE WHEN WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO.
THAT'S A MILLION DOLLAR DELTA.
THAT'S WHAT WE LEARNED WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PRESENTED THIS.
MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS, I WONDER IF HE WENT BACK UP AND TRIED TO GET A BIT ON THAT YELLOW AT THIS YELLOW COLUMN DESIGN, WHETHER IT WOULD HAVE JUMPED BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN YOU GO OUT AND SAY REALLY SQUEEZES DOWN, YOU READ THROUGH EVERYTHING AND GET RID OF GLASS BILLION BUCKS.
SO AGAIN, MY, MY QUESTION WAS MORE PROCEDURAL.
LIKE, ARE YOU COMING TO US? I KNOW THIS WORK SESSION WAS, YOU KNOW, PLAN WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, IS THERE GOING TO BE, DO YOU FORESEE HAVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU ALL AFTER YOU GUYS? YOU GUYS HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THIS AS
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A TEAM, RIGHT? SO THAT'S MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE, IS THERE AN ASK HERE OF US OR IS IT, HEY, SWATTED, WHITE GUYS, TO SEE THIS, WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE AS A BOARD TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO DO.I CAN PUT THE NEW GUY WHO HAD ONSITE, EXCUSE, IT'S NOT WORKING ANYMORE FOR YOU.
WE HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR ALL.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL KNOW EIGHT FINAL COSTS, OR, AND I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN DO.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE LARGER AMOUNT OF FUNDS PROVIDED TO THE SCHOOLS FOR OUR LATER PROJECTS.
THEN CAN WE USE ANY OF THAT? WHAT COSTS WILL THAT BE LATER JUST LOOKING AT AVAILABLE FUNDS THAT THE SCHOOLS MAY HAVE A NO DEBT ON
SO THAT'S AN OPTION MAYBE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MORE SPECIFICALLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EVERY WEEK.
UM, WE HAD EVERY SCHOOL BOARD MEETING.
THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, WE HAVE HAD THE ARCHITECT, DR.
BRADLEY, AND THAT COMPANY WAS THAT A SPECIAL MEETING ON MARCH 29TH TO LOOK INTO THE NEW ELEMENTARY.
UH, SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT AND ASSESS THE INFORMATION WE'D HAVE.
BUT AT THIS POINT, THIS IS WHERE WE WENT INTO.
IT'S NOT THE NUMBERS THAT WE WERE HOPING FOR BASED ON OUR REDESIGN.
UM, SO WE COULD KEEP TALKING TO THEM ABOUT DIFFERENT DESIGNS OR LESS CLASSROOMS, NO PRESCHOOL, NO GYM, SMALLER BAG LUNCHES, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, NONE OF THAT'S GOING TO SERVE US WELL IN THE END.
YOU MENTIONED THE EARLIER PRESENTATION THAT, BECAUSE THE DELTA, WHENEVER THE YELLOW CAME IN EYE-POPPING YOU SAID LET'S LOOK AT DIFFERENT SCENARIOS HERE, DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, TRY TO COST VALUE, COST ENGINEER, THIS RENOVATE WHAT YOU GOT TO START WITH A DIFFERENT SITE FOR SITE DEVELOPMENT COSTS.
COULD YOU LET US KNOW WHERE YOU LANDED ON? SOME OF THOSE ARE THE IDEA THAT IF IN CASE THIS CAME BACK IN THE BLUE COLUMN WAS STILL EYE-POPPING, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN B MIGHT'VE BEEN, CAN YOU KIND OF WALK US THROUGH THAT? UH, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY NUMBERS OF THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS DECIDED TO NOT MOVE FORWARD ON ANY SORT OF LAND ACQUISITION AT THIS TIME.
UM, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH BUILDING ONE OF EXISTING SITES, SAFETY, NOISE, LOGISTICAL ISSUES HAVE NOT MOVED FORWARD ON ANY SORT OF INVESTIGATION OF USING THE EXISTING SITE, EITHER FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATION OR ADDITION.
SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS SAID, THIS IS THE DIRECTION, UM, USING THE SITE THAT WE HAVE, AND REALLY TRIED TO COME BACK WITH A BETTER DESIGN.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT.
SO THAT WAS WHERE YOU WERE IN THE YELLOW.
NOW THE BLUE IS RELATIVELY NEW AND IT MAY BE PREMATURE TO ASK THIS GROUP, WHAT THEY THINK OF BLUE BLUE IS BRAND NEW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PREMATURE, BUT I GUESS BACK TO THE QUESTION OF PROCEDURALLY YOU GUYS DIGEST AND CHEW ON, AND WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS NEW INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE NOW, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, NOT TO PUT THINGS, YOU KNOW, MEAT OUT OF OUR SKIS HERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST TAKE THINGS DELIBERATELY AND DECIDE WHAT IT IS THAT YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, THE SCHOOL BOARD COMES UP WITH IN THEIR CONSENSUS VIEW.
LIKE, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MAYBE PREMATURE TO ASK THAT, BUT THIS REALLY LINE OF QUESTIONING WAS YOU, WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES? AND WHICH ONES ARE WE ABANDONED AND VITAMIN ABANDONED.
AND WHAT'S OUR PLAN B IF THIS NUMBER IS STILL IN THE MID FIFTIES, WHEN WE ENGINEERED THE HECK OUT OF IT, UM, IF I MAY, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DO NOT HAVE A CONSENSUS BECAUSE THIS IS THE VERY FIRST GOVERNMENT CHECK THAT WE'VE HAD TO DISCUSS THIS ANY WAY YOU SEEN THOSE DOCUMENTS EARLIER TODAY AND, YOU KNOW, SHARE IN THE COMMON DISAPPOINTMENT WHAT'S GOING ON.
I THINK WE STILL HAVE THE SAME STRATEGIES OVERALL THAT WE HAD WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE YELLOW COLUMN, INSTEAD OF THE BLUE, WE JUST HAVE $1.3 MILLION, LESS OF A PROBLEM.
NOW I'M STILL PRETTY BIG PROBLEM.
I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS I JUST STARTED.
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THAT I'VE BUILT ARE ONLY ABOUT A THIRD OF THE SIZE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I JUST STARTED A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THIS PAST MONDAY.AND WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WHERE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATES THAT WE HAD WERE HOT THERE BECAUSE MATERIAL COST HAS COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR SOME OF THE THINGS IN CONSTRUCTION, NOT EVERYTHING, NOT, NOT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY NOT ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT MY NUMBER HAS CHANGED DOWN ABOUT 4% IN BETWEEN BIDDING, WHICH WAS TWO MONTHS AGO AND NOW CONSTRUCTION.
SO I WOULD REMAIN THAT WE MAY FIND SOME, SOME WAY TO, UM, BOTH VALUE AND ENGINEER WHAT'S GOING IN ON THE DESIGN SIDE SO THAT WE CAN, UM, THINK ABOUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING IN, UH, IN A VERY REALISTIC WAY, WHAT CAN WE AFFORD TO DO? AND THEN I THINK WE'RE STILL GOING TO END UP OVER BUDGET AND THEREFORE THINKING ABOUT AND ADJUSTING SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE ON THE SCHOOL'S SIDE OF THE CIP AND SAY, EITHER THIS IS DELAYED OR, YOU KNOW, DECLINED, UH, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAYS TO BRIDGE THE GAP.
I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU WOULD IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD WHEN YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO DO SOMETHING, YOU START GOING OUT AND TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO SPEND LESS MONEY SOMEHOW, UH, FIND A WAY TO, UM, UH, GET THINGS DONE IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T, UH, CRIPPLE.
EVERY OTHER DECISION THAT YOU MAKE.
I THINK THAT'S, WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS A COUNTY IS TO NOT CRIPPLE THE COUNTY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR PATH TO THAT AT THIS POINT.
ALY SAID, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT THINGS WE MAY HAVE TO DO TO GET THERE.
SOME OF WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, SOME CARRY OVER FROM THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF THOUGHTS ABOUT VALUE ENGINEERING AS WE GO THIS, AND SOME HOPES AND PRAYERS OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET WILL CORRECT ITSELF IN SOME WAY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A SOUND FISCAL POLICY, BUT I THINK IT'S STILL PART OF WHAT WE'LL DO.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY IT MAY BE THE DELAY AND, AND, AND, UH, RECALIBRATION OF OTHER PROJECTS WITHIN OUR CRM.
AND YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY NOT HAD A CHANCE TO AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS, UM, BACK TO THE HOPE IT WILL, UH, CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, GET YOUR HOPE.
IT WON'T MIXED UP WITH YOUR THINKING WELL, BUT IF YOU GET YOUR HOPE AND WELL, UM, MORTGAGE RATES HAVE ALREADY GONE FROM 2 75 TO FIVE, 10, A DOUBLING FROM TWO AND A HALF TO FIVE, WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS GENERALLY.
AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON COSTS GENERALLY.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT THAT THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING.
SO, BUT IT'S RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SCHOOL JUST CONSTRUCTION OF ALL KINDS.
OBVIOUSLY AFFORDABILITY IS PROBABLY SO PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO SELL A REVIT IN THE SAME HOUSE.
SO IT'S, THERE'S AN APPLICATIONS HERE I THINK.
AND I MEAN, THAT'S BACK TO THE HOPE IT WILL APART, BUT YOU HAVEN'T HAD THOSE OTHER CONVERSATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE TANGIBLE SIGN YET.
WOULDN'T EXPECT YOU HAD THOSE, UH, UM, WHEN YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THIS, GET APPROVAL TO MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP IN YOUR MIND? WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? IF I'M OUT A LITTLE, I MEAN, I THINK I WAS EXPECTING THAT SOME OF THE REDESIGN, THE, UH, THE VALUE ENGINEERING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED BETWEEN THE GENTLEMAN.
AND THEN TO ME, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE WENT FROM MY FOUR TO, CHEVROLET'S STILL THE SAME CAR, SAME TRANSMISSION, EVERYTHING.
SO IS THERE, UM, UH, J D MENTIONED, UM, THERE WAS MORE, IS THAT POSSIBLE OR ARE WE REALLY JUST SAYING THIS IS A COST? ARE YOU, ARE YOU ASKING US TO MAKE A DECISION THIS GOING FORWARD? AND THIS IS THE COST? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE COST.
UH, THIS IS AN ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AND THESE FOLKS DO THIS FOR A LIVING AND I'M SURE THEY HAVE A METHODOLOGY AND THEY FLIPPED THEIR PREVAILING COSTS AND FORECASTED MARK RATES AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
I THINK WE HOPE THAT THESE ARE CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES, BUT ULTIMATELY WE PULL THEM DOWN UNTIL BID DAY WHEN WE OPEN UP THOSE BIDS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LITTLE VALUE ENGINEERING THAT CAN BE DONE QUITE HONESTLY, WITH BLUE FIGURES.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU DON'T PUT AS MANY WHITEBOARDS OR IN, OR YOU DON'T PUT AS MANY CURTAINS ALONG THE GYMNASIUM OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, THERE MAY BE LITTLE THINGS HERE OR THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING BIG DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
IT'S ONE, A VALUE ENGINEER THAT DOWN, MAYBE YOU'D GET A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS POTENTIALLY ONESIES TWOSIES HERE AND THERE, BUT KNOW WE'VE ALREADY MOVED FROM A DIFFERENT EXTERIOR IN THE YELLOW THAN WE DID TO
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BRICK EXTERIOR IN THE BLUE THAT WAS ALREADY DONE.THE WINDOWS IN THE YELLOW DESIGN ARE NOT IN THE BLUE DESIGN, ALREADY ACCOUNTING FOR THAT.
SO I WOULD SEE SOME VALUE ENGINEERING, BUT THEY'RE MINOR DIALS THAT WE'RE TWEAKING HERE OR THERE PREPARATION STAYED THE SAME, PRETTY MUCH.
WE'RE SEEING SOME SAVINGS ON THE REDESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND THAT'S WHERE THE SAVINGS COME IN WITH FOUNDATION AND SO FORTH.
BUT WITH THE SITE PREPARATION THAT STAYS THE SAME IS THIS SCHOOL.
SORT OF WRITTEN IN STONE YET PARTICULAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAVING ON GLOVES, THE STEEL AND THE GLOVES AND SAVING ON THE SITE PREPARATION.
AND WE'RE STILL ONLY TALKING TO 1.3 MILLION POUNDS.
AND I HAVE A SUGGESTION IN HERE OVER CINDER BLOCK STRUCTURES ARE NECESSARY, SHOULD GET BOTH ARCHITECTURAL TEXTURE BLOCK, THE SAME AMOUNT OF LABOR, A BRICK FROG COSTS ONLY A SMALL, ADDITIONAL WALK COST.
SO THERE'S STILL SOME VALUE IN HERE, EVEN IN THAT EXTERIOR.
SO I THINK OUR HIGH SCHOOL MIDDLE SCHOOL IS AN ARCHITECTURAL BLOCK, CORRECT? IT'S A TEXTURAL BLOCK IS A WALK WITH THE EXTERIOR AND STRUCTURE ALL IN ONE.
SO I STILL THINK THERE'S SO I THINK THAT'S A BIG SUGGESTION, A BIG COST SUGGESTIONS RIGHT THERE.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE MAKE THAT DECISION ON THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
THEN YOU START VALUE ENGINEERING, MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE SUSTAINABLE QUALITY MATERIALS THAT LAST 50 TO 70 YEARS, AND THAT ARE OUR FACILITY STAFF.
SO THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT COST SAVINGS TO ANSWER MR. ALVAREZ, THIS QUESTION, THE NEXT STEP IS TO ALLOW THE DESIGN TEAM TO DO THEIR DESIGNS.
THAT'S THE NEXT STEP WE'VE GOT PRELIMINARY DESIGNS OF WHAT THE EXTERIOR LOOKED LIKE.
WE'VE CHANGED THEM FROM ONE FOOTPRINT TO ANOTHER.
NOW THEY'D HAVE TO GO IN AND SAY KNOW, HERE'S, HERE'S ALL THE SYSTEMS. HERE'S OUR PLUMBING DRAWINGS.
HERE'S, HERE'S THE BASIC THINGS THAT NEED TO BE THERE.
THERE IS SOME GROUP IN SOME WAYS TO DO SOME, SOME VALUE ENGINEERING, BUT AT LEAST NEED TO GET THEM STARTED ON THOSE THINGS.
IF WE WANT TO STAY ON THE TIMELINE.
AND THE TIMELINE HAS REALLY TO TWO THINGS, TWO ELEMENTS TO IT, ONE OUR DESIRE TO OPEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, THAT YEAR CURRENTLY IT SAID 24.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS TO BE VERY AWARE OF THE TECH LIBRARY, PAYING INTEREST ON THIS AND TRY AND GET FACE WASTING ANY DOLLARS IN THAT SENSE.
SO YOU'VE HEARD US, YOU HEARD US ASK ABOUT PUTTING NUMBERS TO THE ALTERNATIVES AND TO BE FAIR, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY SAY IT, BUT I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME INFORMAL DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU.
ALL LOOKED, PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED AT THE VILLAGE AREA AND LAND THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE AVAILABLE WITH TYPOGRAPHY YET.
YOU KNOW, SO I'VE HEARD THAT FROM SOLID VIEWS, SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS THAT MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T FORMALLY, YOU KNOW, PUT TOGETHER A TASK FORCE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S GO OUT AND FIND SOME LAND HERE, CORNELL VILLAGE, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK.
SO IF WE START, IF WE, IF WE TELL YOU TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO CERTAINLY DELAY THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME.
AND IT'S ALSO ON THAT ONE SITE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND THEN THE OTHER SURPRISE SURPRISED WAY WAITING.
I THINK SUSAN JUST SAID MIGHT BE WORTH DOING THAT.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU ALL TO COME BACK TO US AT LEAST AND, AND, AND THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU TOLD US WHAT YOU'VE DONE, EVEN IF IT'S INFORMAL.
SO JUST TO THAT POINT, EVERY TIME I ASKED ABOUT THE PIECE OF LAND THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL REASON THAT WAS PURCHASED IN PLACE FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, ONCE HE GOOD, BUT NOT GOOD NOW, BECAUSE I'M MISSING SOMETHING, IF THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PURCHASED FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHAT I'VE HEARD.
SO
AND I WAS, I WAS AVAILABLE IN THAT AREA AND IT'S A GOOD LOCATION FOR A REASON.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, IT BRINGS, IT BRINGS THE CAMPUSES TOGETHER.
I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T LIKE THE LOCATION.
I'M JUST SAYING WE WANT, WE WANT TO CHECK THE BOX.
I THINK IT'S REALLY BEYOND THAT.
REILEY ABOUT LOOKING AT THE OLD SCHOOL
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AND RIDE A BIKE, AN ADDICT.WE TALKED ABOUT GENDER, THE SIZE OF THE SCHOOL.
I'VE GOT CHANGING THE OPTIONS AT A SCHOOL ABOUT OTHER PROPERTIES SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY NUMBERS ON ANY OF THAT.
WELL, WE'VE RUN THAT ANALYSIS AS STAFF AND WE SHARED MUCH OF THAT LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER.
I MEAN, BOTTOM LINE IS IF YOU BUY ANOTHER GREEN SPACE, IT'S IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA, YOU STILL HAVE TO GET UTILITIES TO IT.
ONE OF THE PIECES OF PROPERTY IT'S CALLED A WASH.
WHAT ABOUT THE SCHOOL AND THE SCHOOL HERE, YOU STILL HAVE TO DO UTILITY UPGRADES TO THAT.
AND WORK WITH COUNTY STAFF THAT ALL THESE NUMBERS, WE DON'T HAVE THEM DOWN TO THE PENNY.
WE HAVE GENERALIZATIONS BASED ON THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR OWNERS, CONSULTANTS.
YOU KNOW, THIS, ONE'S GOING TO COST YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE.
THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE COST NEUTRAL HERE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GENERALIZATIONS.
WE HAVE NOT INVESTED THE EFFORT IN THAT BECAUSE THERE'S COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WORK.
SO WE'VE ALL JUST DONE IT INFORMALLY.
AND FROM STAFF STAMPING, IT WAS 53.
YOU THINK IT'S $50 MILLION DRAMATIC.
I MEAN, THAT'S, I MEAN, DALLAS IS, I THINK WE NEED TO BE ADDING RATHER THAN, I MEAN, WE KNEW IN JANUARY, WE WERE GOING TO BE IN THE 50, $80 RANGE.
WE'VE SPENT THREE MONTHS AND HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
WHAT WE HAVE, WE JUST HAVE,
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE FINE, WE CAN DELAY THE PROJECT, FIND THE NUMBERS BY PAYING, TO GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU AND THEN COME BACK AND PRESENT IT.
I THINK WE'D HAVE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS SO THAT, I MEAN THE AUGUST 24 DATE IS YOUR DATE.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ON DATE, SO IT'S GOOD.
HOW YOU SAID WHEN YOU START TALKING WITH HERE, WE'RE HAVE TO DO A LOT OF THINGS.
I THINK ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID, IT WAS JUST ONE THING, WHETHER IT'S, HEY, WE DON'T LOOK AT THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON A CRP CIP, WHAT WE HAVE TO DELAY AND WHAT WERE YOU MOVING FORWARD? SO I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE FOR ME IS WHAT IT IS.
THIS IS A NUMBER WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE SITE.
UM, WE WERE ALL DISAPPOINTED IN BOTH.
THAT NUMBER MEAN, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS AGO WE WERE ALL STREET.
WHEN WE STARTED DOING THESE REFERENDUM MEETINGS AND WE WERE ALL VERY, VERY EXCITED AND WE SAW IT OR CITIZENS SUPPORT IT.
WE WERE VERY, VERY EXCITED AND NOW WE'RE EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED.
AND ONE THING I HAVEN'T HEARD, UM, AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CONSIDER AS IF YOU'RE ALL, YOU'RE THE BOARD TO BE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
IF YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS THE SITE, THIS IS THE PROJECT.
THEN THE ONE THING WE NEED TO GO TO LET'S GO BACK TO THE BANK AND OUR BANK IS OUR CITIZENS.
SO THEN WE NEED TO GO BACK TO OUR CITIZENS AND SAY, WELL, YEAH, WE TOLD YOU 30.
I MEAN, WE USE, WE HAVE 99, 39 MEETINGS.
YOU HAD A NIGHTMARE, 19 MEETINGS WHERE WE SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE YOUR TAXES AS A COME IN.
NOW, I THINK THERE'S A DELTA THAT ANYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND.
I THINK THIS IS BEYOND THAT THOUGH.
AND SO UNLESS WE CAN GET TO, I THINK WHAT FOLKS WOULD SAY, AND MAYBE IT'S WAY MORE, MORE, UH, HEY, WE BOTH HAVE ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS WE'RE SEEING, AND THIS IS IN LINE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, Y'ALL HAS NOT TOLD EVERYBODY, WE ALL BELIEVED IN IT.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING AND WHAT YOU WOULD DO IN A NORMAL SITUATION.
YOU GO BACK TO THE BANK OR YOUR PARENTS, OR WHEREVER YOU WERE GETTING THAT MONEY, OR YOU COME UP WITH IT SOMEHOW.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, THAT ME IN ONE WORD, THE NEW HAT, BUT IT'S STILL WORTH THE SIMPLE ONE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO WRESTLE THAT 39 IS WHAT WE WENT OUT WITH.
THE 39 IS WHERE WE EXPLAINED AND MAINTAIN MEETINGS.
THE 39 IS WHERE WE GOT SUPPORT FROM NEW CITIZENS AND THEY VOTED 85% IN FAVOR OF 300.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SUPPORT WOULD HAVE BEEN.
IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO JUST WRESTLE, BUT TO GO ON WITH 39 AND THE EXECUTER AND 55, IT SEEMS TO BE PROBABLY A GAP THERE.
AND I MISSED THERE'S SOME DAYLIGHT BETWEEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS, BUT WE'RE ALL SURPRISED AND DISAPPOINTED THAT WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE ON THAT.
I JUST, AGAIN, WE ISSUED THE DENTAL.
THE THIRD TIME THE PODS WENT OUT THE MARKETPLACE IN THE 39 AND THAT'S SO WE'RE AT LEAST STILL THERE, BUT HOW YOU MAKE THAT OTHER JOB.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT A WRESTLER.
AND, UH, AS IF IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVE WRESTLE ALL WRESTLED WITH THAT PROBLEM TOGETHER, BUT HOW YOU GOT THERE AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE TRANSPARENT AND THE CITIZENS ARE WITH US ON THIS.
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THERE'S A PIECE OF IT THAT IT CAN'T OVERLOOK.AND WITH THAT HIGH PASS, NOBODY KNOWS HOW MUCH, BUT VERY FEW PEOPLE KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO BUILD A SCHOOL.
YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, EVERYBODY ASKS ME, WHAT'S THE MOST SURPRISING THING ABOUT THE JOB, HOW MUCH COSTS GETS STUFF DONE? SO WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE, OR YOU'RE NOT RAISING MY TAXES.
SO I THINK WE HAVE BOTH BOARDS NEED TO FIGURE OUT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT IT IS.
UM, AND IF WE, WE'RE NOT GONNA RAISE YOUR TAXES AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, WE JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET TO THE, AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
I MEAN, INITIALLY WE HAD 67 MILLION IN THE BOMB, BRO.
SO 60 0 53 BLEEDS OF 7 MILLION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE PROJECT, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AND SAY, IF THIS IS GOING TO BE THE TRUE COST, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO UNDER 7 MILLION ON AND GET THAT PLANNED OUT? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THE SON OF MAN WILL DO.
I DON'T HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS IN MY HEAD.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD DO JUST THE HIGH SCHOOL RENOVATIONS.
SO, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T JUST GO, WE DON'T HAVE OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
DOESN'T JUST HAVE EXCESS MONEY, BUT, UM, RESERVES RESERVES.
WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE TOGETHER ON THIS.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU MOST SUPPOSED TO THINK THAT MR. WRIGHT TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN THIRD, YOU CAN BRING IT IN TO FIND THE MONEY.
MR. SHARP SAID, WE DON'T HAVE IT.
AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND JUST STROKE THE CHECK.
BUT I HEARD YOU MENTION A LITTLE BIT AGO THE PREMIUM, SO THAT PREMIUM CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S A COMPONENT THAT'S CERTAINLY GONNA BE DISCUSSED FIRE RESCUE AS WELL.
IT'S NOT JUST, YEAH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF LIKE IT'S FOR ALL THE DEMOCRATS.
I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVEN'T SAID, OH, WE WANT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT ALL THAT PREMIUM FOR OURSELVES.
I CAN'T PRUDENTLY HAPPEN, BUT IT'S THERE.
IF IT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR HOW WE WILL GET TO THE RIGHT PLACE TOGETHER.
IT'S PROBABLY VERY, VERY LATE IN THE DISCUSSION HERE.
THIS IS PROBABLY TOO LATE TO BRING THIS UP, BUT, UM, IT'S WORTHY FOR DISCUSSION SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE SCHOOLS OVER THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME, UH, IT'S BLOODY AS YOUR MOST EXPENSIVE TO ADD A WING THAN IT IS TO ADD A SCHOOL.
WE KNOW THAT FROM HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ADDING A AWAY A LOT CHEAPER THAN A SCHOOL, THAT MODULAR CONCEPT OF BUILDING A FULL SIZE, COMMON AREAS, AUDITORIUMS, CAFETERIA, GYM, AND THEN BUILDING WHAT YOU NEED AS YOU NEED IT IN A MODULAR SENSE TO JUST CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THIS ISN'T GOING TO OPEN DAME OVER 700 STUDENTS.
THERE ISN'T A LOT OF THE DAY, ONE TO SEVEN.
SO THE IDEA OF THE MODS WERE AS YOU NEED IT IS.
I DON'T SEE A MUDRA CONCEPT WHERE YOU CAN BUILD AS YOU NEED IT.
LEAVE SOME DAYCARE FOR AWHILE.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE THREE SCHOOLS HERE, NOT JUST ONE.
SO I'M JUST RAISING THIS MORE GENERALLY IS IN LOUD, APPLIES HERE.
BUT, UM, BUT, BUT THAT MY CONCEPT SEEMS TO HAVE NOW ANOTHER THING IS WE'RE DOUBLING THE SIZE OF GDS AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE GONNA DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE OTHER TWO AS WELL.
THE CONCEPT OF ADDING A HUNDRED HERE AND A A HUNDRED HERE AND A HUNDRED HERE, AS OPPOSED TO DOUBLING SIZE HERE AGAIN, LATE IN THE DAY TO PREVIOUS KIND OF STUFF UP.
BUT DO WE NEED, IS THERE A WAY TO SHIFT SOME OF THE COSTS BY INCREASING THE OTHER SCHOOLS, AS OPPOSED TO DOING ALL THE INCREASE HERE ON THIS ONE SCHOOL AND THEN NOT INCREASING THE OTHERS? JUST A LITTLE AGAIN, IT'S LEAVING THE DAY FOR ME TO BRING ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF UP.
I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS TO THE BRAINSTORMING SESSIONS A YEAR AGO OR TWO YEARS AGO BY THE MODULAR CONCEPT AND THE, DO WE NEED THEM TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
HERE ARE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THE RELEVANT MR. PETERSON, UH, BECAUSE THE YELLOW DESIGN WAS BUILT WITH THAT IDEA IN MIND, DO WE HAVE PRESCHOOL? YES OR NO, IF YOU DON'T HAVE PRESCHOOL, THEN THAT LINK DOESN'T GIVE BILL.
UH, WE TAKE FOUR CLASSROOMS OFF OF THE END AND IT'S 500 STUDENTS VERSUS 5 66 VERSUS SIX 50.
WHATEVER THAT MATH IS, WE WENT THROUGH THAT LAST TIME.
THE YELLOW DESIGN HAD THAT THIS DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THAT.
THIS IS BLUE DESIGN IS ALL IN THE SAME PRICE, LIMITED MODULAR, MODULAR FOR THE SAME PRICE.
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EXISTING BRAND OFF OF BURKE SCHOOLS ARE AGED.AND SO WE WANT TO INVEST KNOW ADDITION INTO THOSE FACILITIES THAT WERE ALREADY ENGAGED.
THAT WAS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION AS WE ENVISION WENT THROUGH 2017, BUT IT'S OH, I'M SORRY.
I PROBABLY GAVE YOU THE WRONG IMPRESSION RATHER THAN SAY, SHRINK THIS AND ADD A WING TO THOSE EXISTING FACILITIES, BUILD WHAT YOU NEED NOW TO PULL EVERYBODY OUT OF TRAILERS, CREATING CAPACITY.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU BUILD THOSE UPSIDES NOS, AS OPPOSED TO UPSIZING THE ONE NOW, LIKE
AND AT 50 OF EACH OF THOSE TOOK DOWN A HUNDRED YEARS THAT HELP CLOSE THAT 50 GAP.
AND ALL I HAD, AGAIN, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE BRINGING THIS STUFF UP.
THIS SHIP MAY HAVE ALREADY SAILED, BUT IT'S, IT'S IN THE CONTEXT OF THE THREE PROJECTS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THINGS IN A WAY THAT GIVE US FLEXIBILITY, CONTROLS MY, MY MEMORY.
AND I'M SORRY THAT I'M RELYING ON REALIZE THAT GOING FROM SIX 50 TO 5 66, ALL THE SAME, JUST LIKE 800, SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHAT SIZE LIZ, WHEN I'VE ALREADY TASTED IT BECAUSE OF THE WORD DOES THE CORE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT THE PLANT, THE FACILITY PLANT, IF YOU WILL, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME.
AND THE INCREMENTAL COST TO ADD MORE STUDENTS IN IS, IS GOING TO BE LOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS CORE THAT HAS TO BE THERE TO BEGIN WITH THE LIBRARY.
THEY CAN'T BE AT 800 KIDS INSTEAD OF SEVEN 50.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ENLARGE THE CAFETERIA.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ENLARGE THE MARCH, THE GYM AND ALL THE LOOSE I THINK HERE, BUT I'M THINKING THAT YOU SLEPT ON TWO MORE CLASSROOMS AND YOU'RE DONE AND YOU'RE WRITING.
I MEAN, WE DID TAKE OUT THE, THIS IDEA OF, OF ADDING, UH, MODULES, IF YOU WERE ALONE, BY GOING TO THIS STACKED, UH, DESIGN, IF YOU WILL, THERE, THE THOUGHT WAS, AND IT WAS DISAPPOINTING.
I FRANKLY THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET THREE TIMES THE SAVINGS OUT OF THIS.
I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK FOR ABOUT A $4 MILLION PROBLEM.
I MEAN, THIS MEETING A LOT MORE FUN, NO DOUBT.
UH, BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WHEN WE, WHEN WE SAID WE WANT TO DO THIS, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET SOME SAVINGS IN FOUNDATION AND MATERIALS.
AND THE THINGS THAT WE SEE, THAT'S ONLY 1.3, BUT WE ALSO THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET SOME SITE SAVINGS, RIGHT.
AND SO I'M, I'M WITH YOU IF IT WERE MY HOUSE AND THIS IS WHAT I'M DOING, I PAY THE EXTRA MILLION THREE AND GET WHAT I WANTED IT TO BEGIN WITH, BUT THIS IS THE TAXPAYER SALARY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN AS COST-EFFECTIVE A WAY AS WE CAN.
AND WE REALIZED THAT SOMETIMES IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU LOSE SOME OPTIONS ALONG THE WAY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE LOST THE OPTIONS TO SORT OF LOOK AT THIS IN A MODULAR MANNER IN ORDER TO, TO TRY AND GET TO THIS POINT.
WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THE CONCEPTS THAT YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO YELLOW.
I MEAN, WE GOT A BIGGER NUMBER TO WORK OUT FROM A DELTA STANDPOINT BUDGETARILY, BUT IF THAT'S THE WAY THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE END THAT WE'VE GOT TO WORK OUR WAY TO.
WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE VARIABLES IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT EQUATION BALANCE.
I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON THESE ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
MEN ARE, UM, UM, MAYBE PICKING UP NICKELS AND DIMES OFF THE FOUR YEAR, BUT, UM, ALL THAT GLASS GOING AWAY IS HPAC SAVINGS OR ELECTRIC POWER.
IS THERE ANY OTHER KIND OF OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE KIND OF SAVINGS, ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, POST-CONSTRUCTION THAT WOULD REDUCE COSTS THAT WE COULD.
ONE OF, ONE OF THE FACTORS MR. PETERSON, AND THIS DESIGN WAS THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT OF A BUNCH OF ASPHALT IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING IS THAT WAS A LOT MORE DATING THERE THAT COULD IMPACT THAT THE HEAT THAT WAS IMPACTING THE BUILDING.
SO TO TRY TO REDUCE SOME OPERATIONAL COSTS, THAT'S WHY THERE'S SOME GREEN SPACE.
AND THE PROBLEM IS THE LAST CLASS, BUT MORE ASPHALT ST.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS GLASS IN THE ENTRYWAY, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE LESS OPERATIONAL COSTS IN THIS DESIGN THAN THERE WOULD BE IN THE, IN THE PREVIOUS DESIGN.
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YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE'RE USING TECHNOLOGY AND ITS CURRENT TECHNOLOGY WITH THIS.WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY SORT OF UPGRADED HPAC SYSTEMS OR ANYTHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COSTS MORE INITIALLY.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE LIFE CYCLE COSTS OF OUR VENTILATION EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, UPFRONT COST AND THE LIFE CYCLE COSTS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE SETTLED ON THIS CHOICE THAT WE NAME RIGHT NOW.
SO WE CAN ALLOW SOME OF THOSE DECISION POINTS, SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF, IT WOULD BE BUILT FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF SOLAR PANELS THAT WOULD NOT HAVE THEM INSTALLED INITIALLY.
BUT WE BUILT TO BUILT WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS FUTURE EXPANSION KEEPS THOSE CROPS TO, I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THE COMMENT ABOUT THE BIDS.
UM, I'M SURE VALLEY AND SCOTT ARE FANTASTIC COST ESTIMATORS, BUT WE SAW SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS WITH ACTUALLY WHAT WAS ESTIMATED AND WHAT WAS ACTUAL.
I WANT TO CARRY THAT WE'LL HAVE A TREND IN THE THIRD DATA POINT THERE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE DECISION CRITERIA FOR HOW THE PREMIUM MIGHT BE SHARED ACROSS ALL OF THE COUNTY PROJECTS.
AND WHEN MIGHT WE START EXPLORING THAT? SO THEN WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF A GAP WE STILL WOULD HAVE, IF ANY SHARE OF THE PREMIUM WERE TO COME OUR WAY.
IT IS A QUESTION SHE DOESN'T WANT DIRECTLY TO ME.
I'LL TELL YOU MY, MY OPINION I HAVE SHARED WITH MY COLLEAGUES IS LET'S LET'S PICK A NUMBER AND GIVE IT TO YOU ALL.
UM, AND THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN THE CONTEXT OF US GRAPPLING WITH OUR OWN PROJECTS THAT WE HAD.
UM, SO, SO I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY, YOU LOOKED AT ME AND YOU ASKED THE QUESTION.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE I AM IS I WANT YOU OUT.
WE WANT TO KEEP OVERSIGHT, BUT YOU ALL, AS NEIL SAID, YOU, ALL OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THIS IS YOUR THING TO, TO RUN WITH IT.
UM, WE WANT IT, WE WANT TO GET THERE TOGETHER.
I'M LIKE J D SAID, IT'S PAINFUL TO THINK THE 1.3 MILLION IS GOING TO BE THAT MUCH DIFFERENT, BUT THEN THAT'S WHY I'M REALLY TUNING INTO WHAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE COST OF OPERATION.
UM, IF THIS IS MORE EFFICIENT, THEN THAT'S THEN A BIG REASON TO GO TO GO THIS DIRECTION.
BUT ANYWAY, NOT TO, NOT TO BACKTRACK, BUT THAT'S MY THOUGHT.
I FIT THAT I'VE SHARED WITH MY COLLEAGUES, BUT WE HA WE DON'T HAVE, I WOULD PROPOSE TO OUR BOARD IS THAT WE TAKE OUR TWO BY TWOS.
THIS IS ALL KNOWN INFORMATION.
WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOS.
RIGHT? UM, SO WE GO TO OUR, THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHERE WE FEEL COMFORTABLE.
UM, AND THEN WE GO FROM THAT AND THEN WE COME BACK.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WE CAN TAKE MONEY FROM HERE.
WE KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS WHERE WE ARE ISH.
NOW MAYBE THINGS WOULD CHANGE.
WE'RE JUST GONNA FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT.
SO YOU GET THAT WITH TWO BY TWO.
SO NEXT WEEK, SO WE COULD HAVE, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE SCHOOL BOARD'S THOUGHTS ON, WE SOLD THIS THING ON 39 AND NOW IT'S 55, YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS WHERE THEY'RE COMING OUT OF THIS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SAY 85%.
YOU GUYS HAVE THOUGHTS ON THE RIGHT APPROACH? NO, SORRY.
ONLY THING I'M THINKING IS IF THEY SAY NO, THEN WE JUST STOP.
THERE'S THEIR MONEY IN THAT ACCOUNT? YEAH, IT'S TOO MUCH.
I TEND TO AGREE WITH LEO THAT THERE'S PROBABLY THE GREATER PROPORTION OF PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT IT COSTS OR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND WHAT THE IMPACT OF $14.6 MILLION IS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST SAY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
WE NEED TO BE DOING THIS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO KNOW, DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT EVERYTHING TO BE DONE IN JUST THE RIGHT WAY, BECAUSE IT IS THEIR DOLLARS.
AND IT'S OUR COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE.
HERE'S HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT.
HOPEFULLY WE DON'T SEE A RISE IN TECH TAX RATE INCREASE AND YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT THESE ARE, THE, THIS IS THE, THE IMPACTS, IT'S THEIR MONEY, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE THEIR SCHOOL.
I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S THE TRADE-OFFS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE TO GET THERE.
THAT GAP HAS TO BE CLOSE THROUGH TRADE-OFFS AND MAKING THOSE KINDS OF TRADE-OFFS.
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FOLKS KNOW, OKAY, BAD NEWS IS THERE'S A GAP.THE GOOD NEWS IS REAL CLOSE TO THE BAD NEWS IS HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT.
WE CAN PUSH OUT AND BLUE ON ONE SIDE FOLKS OUT THERE THAT YOU JUST THERE'S NO ZERO SUM GAME HERE.
SO, UM, WHEN CITIZENS AREN'T IMMUNE FROM WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE BROADER MARKETPLACE, RIGHT? YOU PUT A GALLON OF GAS IN YOUR CAR, SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IT'S COSTING MORE? EVERYTHING COSTS THE SAME AS IT DID BEFORE NOVEMBER 2ND.
WHAT DO YOU LIKE? THEY ALL UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM IS, DO THEY STILL AFFORD IT? I'VE ASKED THE QUESTION THAT THEY WILLING TO PAY FOR.
YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE, RIGHT? WELL, THE SUPERVISOR'S NOT TRYING TO BE ADVERSARIAL, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE ALL HAVE THE SAME BOSSES AND WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT TO THEM AND BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT.
AND IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, NO, THEY SAY, NO, NOBODY ACTED WITH ANY MALISON ST.
IT WAS 39 MILLION AND 4 MILLION.
THIS ISN'T A SHELL GAME, BUT WHAT IS THE LEGAL SLASH PROCEDURAL PROCESS? IF WE NEEDED TO GO BACK TO THE CITIZEN TRAIN FOR ANOTHER REFERENDUM, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND HOW MUCH LEAD TIME IS? I JUST ASKED THAT QUESTION TWO HOURS AGO.
I JUST DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT FINE.
BUT YOU WENT, YOU WENT TO LUNCH AND SAID 39 TO FIVE, GO BACK TO HIM A SECOND TIME AND SAY, IT'S NOT 39.
WOULD THAT REFERENCE PASTOR PASSIONATE? I DON'T KNOW.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE JUST HAVE TO RUN.
WE KNOW WHAT THE, WE WENT WITH.
WE GO FROM 60 TO 75, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOING TO NEED TO COME FROM OTHER PROJECTS.
WE GO BACK TO THE, THIS, I DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
THE $60 MILLION IS IF YOU THINK ABOUT A 30% INCREASE, I MEAN, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, IT'S GOING TO HAVE COST INCREASED.
SO 60, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE NEW NUMBER? AND THEN YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN WHEN THAT NEW NUMBER WOULD BE BUILT FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S, I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO ADJUST ALL OF, ALL OF OUR SUBJECTS, HONESTLY, AS A RESULT OF WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING.
GOING BACK TO A REFERENDUM BECAUSE WE STILL NEED TO SAY, HEY, WE, WE CAN AFFORD TO SPEND BORROWING $15 MILLION, $20 MILLION.
SO IT'S A LOT BIGGER CONVERSATION THAN JUST SAYING, LET'S GO ASK FOR ANOTHER 15 MILLION.
IF WE WENT TO ANOTHER REFERENDUM NOW INTEREST RATE, SO ALSO WOULD BE A, UM, TO MOVE TO THE STEP SO THAT WE CAN GET BETTER.
TAKE THAT TO SAY, WE'RE TAKING SOMETHING THIS MIGHT BE RIGHT.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE THE TAXPAYERS ANY MORE INFORMATION THAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO MOVE.
YOU HAVE TO SAY, THIS IS OUR DESIGN LET'S VALUE ENGINEER IT TO OUR BEST.
HERE'S THE BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR THE SUSTAINABLE BUILDING THAT WILL PROVIDE THE EDUCATION THAT OUR CHILDREN WELL, THEIR FUTURE.
AND THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO COST.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT WE DONE BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME IT HITS THE STREETS AND THAT'S WHERE THE DIALS ARE TURNED.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU LOOK AT THE CON BLOCK AND, YOU KNOW, THE SOURCING OF THE WINDOWS AND THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS.
SO THEY'RE ALL STANDARD STOCK AND ALL OF THOSE DECISION POINTS YOU CAN MAKE TO NARROW DOWN THAT PRICE.
BUT WE WON'T KNOW THE FULL PRICE OF THIS THING UNTIL BED DAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH CONJECTURE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE DEALING WITH ONE FARM'S ESTIMATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL DIVISION HAS HIRED, OH, THE ACTUALLY THE ARCHITECTS HAVE HIRED ON OUR BEHALF AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH ONE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I ASKED THE QUESTION OF OUR OWNER'S REP.
I SAID, SHOULD WE GO OUT AND GET AN ALTERNATIVE ESTIMATE? SHOULD WE GET A SECOND OPINION? AND THE RESPONSE WAS, NO, IT'D BE A WASTE OF YOUR TIME AND YOUR MONEY.
WE HAVE THESE COSTS ESTIMATES BASED ON PREVAILING PROJECTS.
AND SO DON'T SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS AS A RESULT, SO, OKAY.
I SEE SOME DIFFERENT LOOKS SO BAD.
I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE, UH, BUT, BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I THINK IT, IT, AT SOME POINT
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THE FINGER THAT I'M REALLY KIND OF WALKING OUT OF HERE WITH THIS, I REALLY WANT YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT THE TIME, BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW PROJECTS, IF YOU HAVE MORE TIME THAT THEY'VE BEEN COMING IN LOWER.SO IF YOU HAVE, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND YOU SAID, WHEN YOU OPENED UP THE TIMEFRAME THAT PRICES CAN GET AN ADDITIONAL, A BIDDER AND PRICES CAME DOWN, IT'S SO LONG, WE'RE GET, WE'LL HAVE TO COLLECTIVELY CRUNCH THE NUMBERS, COME UP WITH A PROJECTION AND JUST THEN DIVE IN, YOU KNOW, CLOSE OUR EYES, JUMP AND PUT THE BID OUT THERE.
WHEN THE BID PITCH, YOU DON'T, YOU WON'T, WE WON'T KNOW ANYTHING UNTIL THE BID COMES IN.
I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE, WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN.
AND HOPEFULLY IT'S A SCIENCE TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE.
BUT JB, YOU SAID MUCH EARLIER THAT YOU'RE FINDING OUT HOW YOUR PROJECT'S COMING IN AT 4%, JUST IN THE COURSE OF THE, WELL, YEAH, THEY STARTED AT 35% OVER THE PREVIOUS, AND NOW THEY'RE DOWN TO 30, YOU'RE COMING DOWN.
AND SO AGAIN, I, THE WHOLE COMING DOWN THING TIES TO ME WITH WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT, IF WE OPEN UP ANOTHER WINDOW OF TIME, YOU MIGHT INVITE SOME MORE CONTRACTORS.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S, TO ME AN IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL QUESTION AND CONVERSATION POINT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.
IT'S A FACTOR THAT SEEMS TO BE POTENTIALLY VALUABLE DIALED ON YOUR OWN, YOUR TERMINAL AT THE DOT AND TO OUR POINT, I KNOW I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO CLOSE OUR EYES AND JUMPING AGAIN.
BUT THE THING IS WHEN WE JUMP AND WE GET THE BID, NOBODY SAYS WE HAVE TO GO WITH, RIGHT, RIGHT.
I MEAN, IF IT COMES IN, IT'S JUST LIKE, WELL, THIS CAN'T BE DONE.
THERE'S NO OBLIGATION TO PROCEED.
IS THERE BOARD MEMBER? I THINK AS A FORMER BOARD MEMBER, INTERN COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, I, WHAT I SEE IS YOU'RE ASKING THE BOARD TO SORT OF APPROVE A BLANK CHECK OR A CHECK FOR 53 MILLION.
AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW I WOULD PROBABLY SEE IT AS, AS A BOARD MEMBER BECAUSE NEXT WEEK, NO, I THINK WE'RE ASKING YOU TO STAY IN THE BOAT WITH US SINK OR SWIM, BUT THE BOAT, IT COULD COME BACK, COME BACK AND 45, LIKE, I THINK WE NEED TO STAY IN THE BOAT UNTIL WE GET THE BIDS AND THEN WE'LL DECIDE WE NEED THE BOAT.
BUT, UM, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT IT.
IT'LL BE TOO LATE, TOO LATE TO MOVE TO ANY OTHER DECIDE OR TO DO ANY LOOK AT LOCATION, WE'LL HAVE SPENT ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH GETTING TO THAT DECIDE.
SO I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT TOO, BY TUESDAY NEXT WEEK, GUYS.
SO I'M NOT WILLING TO DO ANYTHING TODAY.
DENADA WE JUST HEARD THIS 16 HOURS.
AND I THINK YOU'VE HEARD ANY DECISIONS FROM ANY OF US THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD.
I MEAN, WE ALL HAVE TO GO BACK AND REALLY THINK OVERALL, THIS IS A LOT TO THINK OF THAT.
SO AS WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER OUR, TO DO LISTS, WE'RE WALKING AWAY FROM HERE.
IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE DESIRE OF EVERYBODY'S CONVERSATION AND THAT THERE ISN'T NECESSARILY A CONSENSUS, BUT WE, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD GO BACK AND I'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME AT LEAST, UH, UH, CURSORY INVESTIGATIONS ABOUT ALTERNATIVE SITES.
RIGHT? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND WHAT, WHAT SORT OF COSTS WOULD WE ANTICIPATE WITHOUT NECESSARILY GOING TO ACTUAL EXPENSE TO FIND OUT THAT INFORMATION? RIGHT.
AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME, BUT WE DIDN'T BRING IT WITH US THIS TIME.
SO WE'LL HAVE THAT ALL TOGETHER IN A PACKAGE FOR YOU.
BUT THEN THE NEXT DAY WOULD BE TO SORT OF SAY, OKAY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO FIND $13.6 MILLION HERE WILL, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT WOULD BE THROUGH USE OF PREMIUM, WHATEVER THE REST OF IT WILL BE.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THESE PROJECTS IN THE CIP, IN THIS MANNER.
IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT A GOOD WAY TO GO WITH THIS? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE HAVING A MORE WHERE I WAS THINKING, WHICH IS BOTH OF OUR BOARDS ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WE GOT THE STUFF THAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY FROM A PREMIUM PERSPECTIVE, FROM WHAT WE'RE POTENTIALLY COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, AS AN INCREASE TO SAY, OKAY, WELL, YES, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASE.
WE KNOW WHAT ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH YET BEFORE WE GO OUT TO THE CITIZENS IN SOME FORMAL MANNER TO SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
WE'RE COMFORTABLE GOING UP TO 45 MILLION, 47, WHATEVER THAT IS.
AND THEN YOU BRING IT TO THE TABLE AND WE PUT ALL OUR IT'S LIKE, WHEN YOU'RE BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL, YOU TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUY DINNER AT DENNY'S AND YOU'RE
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THROWING ALL YOUR MONEY ON THE TABLE.UM, AND THEN WE FIGURED OUT WE'RE STILL SHORT HERE.
HOW ARE WE GONNA GET THERE? RIGHT.
WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO THINK ABOUT GOING TO THE CITIZENS FOR SOME OTHER, HOLD ON.
I DON'T HAVE TO REFERENDUM BE NICE, BUT YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO GET KNOCKED.
IT'S PROBABLY EASY TO NOT DO IT.
IT'S IT'S BY REARRANGING THINGS AND THEN SAYING SOME OF THOSE OUT PROJECTS IN 2038, THE NEXT RANDOLPH IS THAT'S A BOND SITUATION.
NOT THIS BECAUSE WE MANIPULATED THINGS OUT TO THAT POINT.
BUT JEANNIE YOU'RE SAYING WAS A FOR YOU GUYS TO BE UNDERSTOOD,
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET TO WHERE WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE, LIKE, OKAY, WHOSE SENSES ARE ALIGNED.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT, I'M NOT, I DON'T SAY THAT IN ORDER TO TRY ANYTHING FROM THE PUBLIC.
I JUST THINK YOU DON'T GO OUT AND GO, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'RE HERE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU SHOULD PUT YOUR FAITH IN US AND VOTE FOR THIS.
AGAIN, BLINDLY, IT'S JUST THAT THAT'S A LOSING PROPOSITION.
UM, WELL WE WENT OUT AND TO TRY TO SPEED THROUGH THIS AND NOT TAKE TOO LONG.
IF WE WENT OUT TO THE REFERENDUM, THERE WERE CERTAIN BASIC TENANTS THAT WE PUT OUT THERE.
WHAT WAS GOING TO BE 39? NO, THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE.
WE WERE NOT GOING TO RAISE TAXES.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DRAIN THE RAINY DAY FUND.
THERE WERE CERTAIN BASIC TENANTS.
IF WE HOLD ALL THOSE BASIC TENANTS MOVING THERE, WE MAY HAVE TO DO SOME OTHER THINGS.
BUT WE, OUR HOPING FOR HOLDING TRUE IN GOOD FAITH WITH WHAT WE TOLD THEM, THAT I THINK WE'RE REASONABLY FOR A BRAND.
IF WE MOVE OFF OF THAT, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO RETRAIN THE DEAL.
BUT LET'S SAY FOR A MINUTE THAT WE CAN HOLD TRUE TO THE BASIC TENANTS OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS ESPOUSED BACK THERE.
THE OTHER THING CITIZENS ARE KNOWN FOR IS KNOWING WHAT'S OUT THERE IN THE SOCIAL MEDIA AND THEY WILL KNOW EVERY SCHOOL AND IT WAS SPELLED FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, WHAT IT COSTS PER SQUARE FOOT NUMBER OF STUDENTS THEY'LL KNOW ALL THAT.
AND INEVITABLY THEY'LL COMPARE, OKAY.
HOW DID WE DO VERSUS ALL THESE OTHER ONES? SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TAKEAWAYS FROM HERE, WHAT DO WE NEED FROM YOU AGAIN, WITHOUT SPENDING MONEY AND TAKING TIME, IF YOU CAN GET THE NUMBERS AND JUST THOSE TWO OR THREE NUMBERS, TOTAL COSTS, NOT THE STUDENTS PER SQUARE FOOT.
JUST THE BASIC METRICS FOR RECENT AND OR ONES THAT ARE MOVING, HAVE 30% INCREASE, JUST GET US THE TWO YEARS BACK IN TWO YEARS FORWARD, KIND OF LOOK BECAUSE SINCE THOSE ARE GOING TO DO THAT, AND WE SHOULD AT LEAST BE ARMED WITH THAT.
AND WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BE COMPETITIVE, I THINK WITH THAT AND NOT BE THAT OFF THE MARK.
SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, AS YOU GO BACK, BRING JUST THOSE FEW NUMBERS ON THOSE FEW ITEMS TO US AND WE CAN SEE HOW WE WOULD FIT IN AND BE CONSISTENT.
SO IF WE CAN HOLD TRUCKS AND THE BASIC TENANTS, AND WE CAN BE COMPETITIVE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING, RECOGNIZING THE COST OF MOVED A LITTLE BIT, AND WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT, HOW TO CLOSE THAT GAP ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS.
THEN I DON'T SEE IT AS A BREACH OF TRUST AND THE CITIZEN THAT'S NEW.
WE'RE HOLDING TRUE TO WHAT WE TOLD DOES.
WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN ALL OF OUR AS WELL.
THERE'S A LOT OF TRUST HERE AND WE DO NOT WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO BREAK THAT TRUST AGAIN.
WE HAVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS IN DOING SO.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THINKING ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN
OR OUR FOUR 30 MEETING, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I TELL YOU ON MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSIONS WITH MR. CHAIR, I MOVED TO CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING AS PERMITTED BY OPPORTUNITY CODE TWO DOT TWO DASH 37 1 1 A ONE FOR THE PURPOSE OF INTERVIEWING, CONSIDERING AND DISCUSSING CANDIDATES FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION AND CERTIFICATION REQUIRED BY THE CODE TWO DOT TWO THAT'S 37 12
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DEED UPON CONCLUSION OF THE CLOSED MEETING.I JUST WANTS TO GET, WE ARE IN CLOSED SESSION.
WE'LL COME BACK OUT AND RECERTIFY.