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[1. Call To Order]
EVENING ON MAY 5TH.AND THIS IS THE START OF THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION MOST GRACIOUS.
GOD, THANK YOU FOR ENABLING US TO GATHER HERE
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TODAY.[3. Invocation - Led By Mr. Pituck]
FOR THE SPOTTY OF PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE MORE DEAN TO RULE THIS GREAT COUNTY.NOW, AS WE GO ABOUT DOING THE BUSINESS SET FORTH TODAY, HELP US TO KEEP YOU FIRST IN EVERYTHING THAT WE SAY AND DO BLESS ALL WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY WITH THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM, AND UNDERSTANDING SO THAT WE MAY PROSPER UNDER THEIR LEADERSHIP.
MOST OF ALL BIND US TOGETHER IN A SPIRIT OF LOVE, WHICH SURPASSES ALL THINGS IS IN YOUR OMNIPOTENT NAME.
I DID WANT TO NOTE, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, GENTLEMEN, UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
HAS ANYBODY TAKEN A LOOK AND HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OR MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES? UH, MOTION AND APPROVED ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
UM, OPENING THE FLOOR TO THE CITIZEN COMMENT AND THAT IS FOR EVERYBODY HERE.
ANYBODY'S WELCOME TO COME UP AND
[4. Approval of Minutes]
SAY A PIECE ABOUT WHATEVER'S ON THEIR MIND, EXCEPT FOR THE CASES THAT ARE[5. Citizen Comment Period]
WE'RE HERE ABOUT TONIGHT TO DISCUSS.AND JUST TO CLARIFY THESE, UM, IS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
I WAS, I WAS GOING TO DO THAT.
I WAS ALSO GOING TO RECOGNIZE THE DISTINGUISHED PANEL OF PHARAOH, THE DISTINGUISHED COMMAND, UH, COMMISSION, AND ALSO MEN COUNCIL, MADAM SECRETARY.
I RESIDE AT TWO, A FIVE, TWO MAIDENS ROAD.
AND, UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT GENERICALLY IS AN ITEM.
BUT FIRST, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I REALIZE YOU HAVE PER THE, UH, PROCEDURES AND GUIDELINES OF THIS COMMISSION, THE OPPORTUNITY TO GRANT TIME AT YOUR DISCRETION, IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO DO SO, I CAN CALL MEMBERS OF THE, UH, AUDIENCE CITIZENS.
IF YOU WISH SPECIFICALLY, YOU'RE ASKING FOR CITIZEN COMMENT TO UP TO 10 MINUTES, UP TO 10 MINUTES FOR MY SPEAKING, I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
I RISE TO ADDRESS WHAT I BELIEVE IS GOOCHLAND AND JUST PUNCH AS THIS PERTAINING TO THE TRUET CASE.
NO, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS THE OTHER ISSUE.
WELL, IT'S IN THE FOLDER THOUGH.
AND WHAT, WHAT I'M GOING TO DISCUSS QUICKLY, UH, HOPEFULLY IS THAT THE ONE? ALL OF YOU, I KNOW ALL OF YOU, UH, BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT THE FREEDOM AND SAFETY OF
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ALL THE CITIZENS, WHETHER IT BE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL LEVEL, DEALING WITH THE SITUATIONS ON A NATIONAL DEFENSE LOCAL LEVEL, WHETHER IT BE THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY, GOODSON SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR ANYTHING DEALING WITH FIRE AND RESCUE, BUT EVERY PORTION OF GOVERNMENT IS CHARGED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.SO FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS FORMED UNDER A RESOLUTION FROM GOOCHLAND COUNTY AND THAT REALLY INVOKES BECAUSE WE'RE A DILLON RULE STATE.
IT REALLY INVOKES A 15 DOT TWO DASH 2 2 0 0, WHICH THEN REFERENCES 42 0 1.
AND WHAT 42 0 1 SAYS RIGHT AT THE LEAD, WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMISSION IS TO IMPROVE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY.
AND THAT GOES ON WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER ITEMS. THEREFORE I'LL SUGGEST ONE OF THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES COMMISSION.
IT'S AN IMPROVED THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY OF CITIZENS OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
AND ACCORDING TO VIRGINIA CODE, THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS THE COMMISSION CAN DO THIS.
DURING MY RECENT STUDIES, I WAS REVIEWING GUCCI AND CALUMNY ORDINANCES AND CAME UPON APPENDIX B ARTICLE 10 AND SPECIFICALLY FIGURE SIX AND TABLE ONE, WHICH ADDRESSES SAFETY DURING THE DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNTY STAFF, WHICH WAS VERY HELPFUL IN THE MATTER I WAS INFORMED THAT THIS HAS BEEN CHANGED AND MOVED TO ARTICLE 23, SECTION 15 DASH 3, 4, 4 AND 15 3 4 5.
UM, THIS IS THE OLD REPRESENTATION OF THE FIGURE SIX, WHICH IS JUST A DISCUSSION PRESENTATION AND LISTING OF THE ACCESS CATEGORIES FOR ROADS ACROSS THE COUNTY.
THE NEW TABLE LOOKS LIKE THIS.
THE NOTICE TWO THERE'S, ONE COLUMN THAT'S TAKEN OUT, WHICH IS THE CHARACTERISTICS.
AND SOME OF THE TURN LANE SPECIFICATIONS ARE NOT IN THERE EITHER FOR THE NEW TABLE.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME DATA THAT I'VE ACTUALLY ACQUIRED FROM, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND THIS IS FROM WHAT THIS INSTRUMENT IS PUT OUT THERE.
IT'S CALIBRATED, IT'S USED ON A CONSTANT BASIS BY GOODWIN SHERIFF'S OFFICE, REMIND PEOPLE THAT YOU MIGHT BE EXCEEDING THE SPEED OR YOU'RE WITHIN THE SPEED LIMIT OF A PARTICULAR ROAD.
YOU'RE ON THIS RECORDS, A LOT OF DATA AND IT RECORDS DATA, BELIEVE IT OR NOT BOTH WAYS.
SO IT COVERS OPPOSING AND DIRECT CONFRONTATIONS WITH THE RADAR SYSTEM.
AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE UP HERE IS SOME OF THE DATA THAT COMES OUT OF IT.
IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE, BUT, UH, HOPEFULLY UP THERE, YOU CAN SEE IT AND YOU SEE THE TOTAL VALUE OVER THAT TIME PERIOD.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE NUMBER OF SPEEDING.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'LL SEE, ON 6 32, SOMEONE WAS GOING OVER 80 MILES AN HOUR, BUT LESS THAN 84 MILES AN HOUR, THAT'S PRETTY DIFFICULT IN THAT LOCATION BY THE WAY.
BUT THERE'S A WHOLE SETS OF DATA THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
SO WHAT I DID IS I TOOK THE DATA THAT WAS AVAILABLE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND PUT IT IN THIS TABLE AND SIMPLE CALCULATION BASED ON NUMBER OF DAYS.
THAT'S THE AVERAGE DAILY TRAVEL, UH, VEHICLES ON 6 32.
NOW THAT UNTO ITSELF MIGHT NOT BE AN ISSUE, BUT IN THAT CHANGE, THAT HAPPENED, UH, THE, BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, CLARIFICATION'S OR EXCUSE ME, CHANGES WERE MADE BETWEEN APPENDIX B ARTICLE 10 AND FIGURE SIX TABLE ONE IN ARTICLE 23, NEW ARTICLE 23, 16 SECTIONS 15, 3 44 AND 3 45.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THE ROAD HAS BEEN CLASSIFIED NOW AS A CLASS THREE ACCESS ROAD.
I BELIEVE BASED ON THE DATA THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU.
IN FACT, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT REAL QUICK.
THAT DATA SHOWS THAT IF WE GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THIS PREVIOUS TABLE, THAT THE ROAD IS NO PART OF CLASSIFICATION THREE, IT SHOULD BE CLASSIFICATION TWO.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY CLASSIFICATION TWO IN THE FIRST REVISION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ROUTE CHANGE WAS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOME ANALYSIS, BUT THE DATA FROM THIS DEVICE CLEARLY SHOWS IT'S FAR IN EXCESS OF THE CLASSIFICATION FOR THREE.
THIS IS A FURTHER GRAPH THAT I'M ALSO BRINGING UP AND SHOWING, AND THAT IS TO SHOW THE NUMBER OF ACCENTS.
AND WHAT I'LL POINT OUT IS THREE THINGS HERE REAL QUICK, NUMBER ONE, THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS.
AND WE WOULD JUST HAVE HAD ANOTHER ONE.
SO WHAT ARE AT LEAST TIED FOR THE FIRST THREE PLUS MONTHS OF THE YEAR, FOUR MONTHS OF THE YEAR FOR THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ACCENTS IN 2020.
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AND IF YOU RUN THAT OUT THROUGH APRIL 30TH, IT'S GOING TO RUN UP TO 90 ACCIDENTS FOR THE YEAR, WHICH IS AN ALL-TIME RECORD GOING ALL THE WAY BACK INTO THE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN OF, UH, 2040, UM, AND SOME OF THE RECORDS THAT ARE IN THERE AND THE BASIS FOR THAT INFORMATION.SO WHAT I'M ASKING, UH, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THAT, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE POWERS VESTED BY THE VIRGINIA CODE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT YOU, AS THE COMMISSION USE YOUR AUTHORITY TO IMMEDIATELY RECOMMEND A CHAIN TO ORDINANCE COUNTY ORDINANCE SECTION 15 DASH 3 44 AND CHANGE ROUTE 603 2 FROM ACCESS CATEGORY THREE TO TWO, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS PRIOR TO THIS CHANGE ASCERTAIN THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE AND THEN DIRECTLY REQUEST AND OVERSEE A DETAILED STUDY TO VERIFY THE NUMBERS.
AND I, I WILL PROVIDE ANY OF THE DATA THAT I HAVE AND ANY OF THE ANALYSIS I'VE DONE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE, UH, 6, 3, 6 32, PARDON ME? I HAVE TERRIBLE DYSLEXIA OF PROPERLY REPRESENT WHAT IT IS AND COMING ALL THE WAY BACK AROUND, PROMOTE THE SAFETY AND HEALTH AS THE FUNCTION THAT'S PRESCRIBED.
I'LL SUGGEST WITHIN THE CHARTER FROM THE CORPORATE, FROM THE, UH, VIRGINIA CODE FOR, UH, VIRGINIA.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND JUST THANK YOU.
WELL, MS. PARKER REQUEST TO DEFER ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES TO THE ORDER OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, THERE ARE NO REQUESTS, TRENDS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES TO ACTION ITEMS. YES, SIR.
THE FIRST TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT ARE ACTION ITEMS FOR THE COMMISSION
[6. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions, or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings]
AND WILL NOT COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.[7. Planning Commission Action Items]
THESE ITEMS DO REQUIRE A MOTION AND A VOTE.OUR FIRST ITEM IS SECOND SERVE FOUNDATION REQUESTS APPROVAL OF CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN FOR A YOUTH TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER FOR RACKET SPORTS ON TAX MAP NUMBERS, 64 25, 1 16 0 64 25 1 R ONE AND 64 25, 1 17 0 IN WEST
[1. Second Serve Foundation requests approval of a Conceptual Master Plan for a]
CREEK BUSINESS PARK.THE PROPERTY IS ZONED
THANK YOU, MS. SPARK, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, UM, AS MS. PARK INDICATED, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN.
IT DOES REQUIRE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION, BUT IT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SECOND SERVE HAS, HAS SUBMITTED A CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN, UM, FOR A FACILITY IN WEST CREEK.
UH, THIS IS LOCATED IN THE FAR SORT OF SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED AS PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT CONFERENCE OF PLAN, LOOKING AT THE ARROW PHOTO, UM, UH, ON THIS SIDE OF THE CREEK, IT'S ALL WITHIN THE WEST CREEK BUSINESS PARK AND YOU'LL SEE A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS, UM, AND ALSO A NUMBER OF UNDEVELOPED PARCELS IN THIS AREA.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS OWNED
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THAT IT IS IN WEST CREEK BUSINESS PARK AND WITH THE ZONING PROFFERS, THEY WERE APPROVED WITH WEST CREEK BUSINESS PARK.
THEY DO REQUIRE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW AND APPROVE A CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN FOR PROJECTS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT IS WHILE WE'RE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, UM, WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING, UH, THERE'S SOME INDOOR AND OUTDOOR FACILITIES, THEN DOORS, A FACILITY IT'S ABOUT 120,000 SQUARE FEET FOR THE MAIN BUILDING THAT WOULD INCLUDE, AND THE INDOOR TENNIS COURTS, FITNESS ROOM, THE TUTORING CENTER, AND OTHER FACILITIES, UM, OUTDOOR FACILITIES WOULD INCLUDE LIGHTED TENNIS COURTS, UH, THAT INCLUDE A FEATURE COURT THAT HAS SOME SEATING, UH, SOME PICKUP BALL COURTS, PADDLE COURTS, UM, AND OTHER, UH, ACCESSORY USES TO FACILITATE, UM, UH, PLAYING AND PARTICIPATING IN THOSE ACTIVITIES.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS, IS REQUESTED TO ACT ON THE EXCEPTIONAL EXCEPTIONAL PLAN.
THEY DID PROVIDE A COUPLE OF OTHER, UM, EXHIBITS.
I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THESE EXHIBITS, BUT YOU'RE NOT REALLY ACTING ON THE ELEVATIONS ARE NOT REALLY ACTIVE ON THE FLOOR PLANS OF WHAT YOU SEE HERE.
THE FLOOR PLANS, UM, ON THE TOP IS THE LOWER LEVEL, WHICH IS THE, THE PREDOMINANCE OF THE, THE COURTS AND SOME OF THE OTHER ANCILLARY USES.
UM, AND THEN THE ON THE BOTTOM IS WHAT THE UPPER LEVEL WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND AGAIN, SOME ELEVATIONS AT THE SCALE,
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IT'S HARD TO GET A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT YOU DO GET SORT OF A FLAVOR OF WHAT THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE.AND IN CONCLUSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ACT, IS REQUESTED TO ACT ON THIS CONCEPTUAL CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN.
AND THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU ON THE SCREEN.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DOES THE, UH, WEST CREEK CONCEPTUAL REQUIREMENTS TO CONTROL THE LIGHTING AS FAR AS, YEAH.
ANYTHING WOULD THE, THE, THE DARK SKY LIGHTING ORDINANCE, THIS WOULD FALL UNDER THAT, OR THAT'S REQUIRED AFTER THE WEST CREEK WAS RIGHT AS PART OF THEIR SITE PLAN, THEY WOULD TYPICALLY SUBMIT A LIGHTING PLAN AS A PART OF THEIR, UM, THEIR SITE PLAN AND THEN TURN THE LIGHTS OFF, UH, SORRY, TIME.
UM, THAT'S IT DID, IT'S ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
UM, THE DARK SKY ORDINANCE IS MORE ABOUT PROVIDING THE AMOUNT OF NIGHT YOU NEED, LIKE WHAT YOU NEED WHEN YOU NEED IT, AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S NOT LIGHT BLEED, THAT YOU'RE KIND OF DIRECTING THE LIGHT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
WE'VE MADE EVERYBODY TURN THE LIGHTS OFF BY 10 OR 11.
I MEAN, WE DON'T TYPICALLY DICTATE THAT, BUT THE CLIENT MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THEY PLAN TO MANAGE THE TIMING OF THE LIGHTS.
AS THE APPLICANT HERE WOULD LIKE TO SAVE SAN ANTONIO.
UH, MY NAME IS RANDY BUILT SOME WITH HG DESIGN.
I'M REPRESENTING THE OWNER APPLICANT THIS EVENING, UM, ADDRESS PLEASE.
UM, THE DESIRE OF THE APPLICANT IN THIS, UM, IS TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON IT IS TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A YOUTH TENNIS TRAINING FACILITY FOR ALL, OR SOME RACKET SPORTS.
UM, THE LOCATION SEEMED TO BE A GOOD CENTRAL LOCATION TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE PROXIMITY OF 2 88 AND 64.
UM, AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS KIND OF THE GOAL IS TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE.
UM, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WITHOUT CREATING UNDUE TRAFFIC IN, YOU KNOW, UH, OR ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL LOCATION, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED, THE TEAM THAT'S INVOLVED WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BRING THE, ALL THE CLINICS THAT ARE CURRENTLY HAPPENING THROUGHOUT RICHMOND AREA AND INTO ONE LOCATION AND CREATE A GOOD ATMOSPHERE FOR TRAINING AND LEARNING.
DOES IT INCLUDE ADULT PLAY? SO THE BUSINESS MODEL IS BEING WORKED OUT RIGHT NOW, BUT OBVIOUSLY FOR THE MOST PART, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME DOWNTIME THAT ADULTS CAN, CAN USE IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, YOU'VE GOT YOUR FIVE TO S YOU KNOW, YOUR SIX TO SEVEN 30 TIMEFRAME FOR TRAINING, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR THREE TO SEVEN.
SO YOUR WINDOWS IN BETWEEN WOULD BE OPEN TO PLAY.
UH, THE ACTUAL MODEL ITSELF IS STILL BEING DEVELOPED AS TO BECOMING A MEMBER AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY WHETHER IT'S PAY TO PLAY, OR IF IT'S A MEMBERSHIP AND YOU RESERVE THE COURTS.
SO WE CURRENTLY EXIST IN DIFFERENT SPOTS AROUND THE METROPOLITAN AREA AND THIS CONSOLIDATES.
SO THE, ALL THE, ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED ARE INVOLVED IN THE SPORTS IN ONE WAY, SHAPE OR FORM AROUND TOWN.
THE ACTUAL FOUNDATION IS A BRAND NEW FOUNDATION.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO SAY MODELED AFTER THE FIRST TEE IN GOLF, BUT THE SAME CONCEPT, MAKING IT AVAILABLE, GIVING THEM ONE LOCATION WHERE THEY CAN HELP WITH SCHOOLWORK AND THEY CAN HELP WITH WHATEVER THE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY NEED, UM, WITH LIFE SKILLS.
AND IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, TENNIS.
ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC HEARING ANYBODY.
I'M SORRY, EXCEPT THE CONSENT.
A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO ACCEPT THE CONCEPT SAGA MOTION AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE PASSES ON A FOUR O VOTE.
THE NEXT ITEM, A PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION ITEM IS 2022 DISTRICT THREE, 2011, DISTRICT THREE S O E 20 22 1 REQUEST BY SUSAN FOSTER BAR TO ALLOW THREE ACCESS DRIVES ON PERKINS VILLE ROAD, ROUTE 6 35 FOR PROPOSED FIVE LOT SUBDIVISION ON TAX MAP 32 1 0 20 0.
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THANK YOU, MS. PARKER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STATED THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM.THIS IS FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR A THIRD ACCESS FOR A NEW SUBDIVISION.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE NORTH CENTRAL PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA, THE, UH, ZONING MAP, AS YOU CAN SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED A TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, AND THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY MARKED AND RED.
[2. 2022 District 3; 2011 District 3 - SOE-2022-00001 - Request by Susan Foster]
THE SUDDEN BID SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE FOR MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, UH, REQUIRES ANY REQUESTS FOR A THIRD ACCESS FOR A SUBDIVISION OF MINOR.SO DIVISION TO BE, UH, APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF IT'S A TWO OR LESS THAN THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT IS ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED BY THE PLATZ OFFICER.
UM, THE ORDINANCE ALSO IDENTIFIES OR DEFINES LIKE WHAT A DRIVEWAY IS.
UM, A SHARED DRIVEWAY ACTUALLY, UM, ACTS AS ONE ACCESS POINT.
AND AS MS. PARKER STATED, THIS IS A ACTION ITEM, SO THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT WILL NOT BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS COMPRISED OF A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN, UH, 45 ACRES.
UH, IT HAS APPROXIMATELY 1,623 LINEAR FEET OF ROAD FRONTAGE.
AND IT IS PRIMARILY VACANT AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE ARIEL, UH, THERE A RURAL, UM, THE AREA HAS RURAL CHARACTERISTICS, INCLUDING FOREIGN LAND AND RESIDENTIAL, UH, LOT DEVELOPMENTS AND A PORTION OF THE EASTERN BOUNDARY IS ADJACENT TO THE BUCKHORN SUBDIVISION.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A MARKUP OF WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, CAUSE IT WAS HARD TO READ, UM, FROM, UM, ON THE SCREEN UNLESS I MARKED IT UP.
BUT, UM, YEAH, THEY'RE GOOD AS PROPOSING A FIVE LOT SUBDIVISION.
THERE ARE THREE PROPOSED ENTRANCE WAYS.
THE LOT ONE WOULD BE SERVED, UM, BY ONE DRIVEWAY, LOTS, TWO AND THREE WOULD SHARE A DRIVEWAY AND LOTS FOUR AND FIVE, BUT ALSO SHARE AN ACCESS.
UH, THIS WOULD BE THROUGH AN EASEMENT.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED, UM, AGRICULTURAL A TWO, AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING LOT SIZE, UM, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, THE SPEED LIMIT ON PERKINS VILLE ROAD IS 55 MILES AN HOUR.
SO WITHOUT APPROVAL, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO ACCESSES AND A PRIVATE ROOM WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
UM, PRIVATE ROAD FOR FIVE, LOTS OR LESS REQUIRE A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, A 25 FOOT ROAD WITH, UM, THAT'S PER THE FIRE CODE, FOUR INCHES OF CREST GRAVEL, AND A, UM, A DRAINAGE DRAINAGE MUST BE SHOWN ON THE ROAD PROFILE, POSITIVE DRAINAGE, MORE THAN FIVE LOTS WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO MEET A STATE ROAD STANDARDS.
SO, UM, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO HAVE, UM, THE THREE DRIVEWAYS.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.
I HOPE THIS IS ABLE TO SEE OF HOW, UM, TWO ACCESSES COULD, UH, ACTUALLY BE ACHIEVED.
UH, THIS FIRST IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, UM, OF ONE ACCESS PERHAPS ON ONE LOT AND THEN THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, UH, COMING IN AND ACCESSING LOTS, UM, THREE AND THE BOTTOM THREE LOTS, I MEAN THE TOP FOUR TOP ONE, ONE FOR THE OTHER ONE.
UH, SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, TWO LOTS, I MEAN, TWO ACCESSES.
UH, THE SECOND EXAMPLE IS A POSSIBLE EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU COULD ACCESS JUST WITH ONE LOT AND BE ABLE TO STILL SERVE THE, UM, SUBDIVISION AT IS, AS IT IS CURRENTLY LAID OUT.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, ADDITIONAL LAYOUTS MAY PROVIDE OTHER OPTIONS TO DO TWO OR ONE ACCESS.
SO, UH, THIS, UH, REQUEST IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, AS THE, UM, COUNTIES MAJOR THOROUGH THERAPY THOROUGHFARE PLAN DOES RECOMMEND MINIMIZING ACCESSES ON PUBLIC ROADS, SUCH AS PERKINS FULL ROAD.
UM, THERE ARE SAFETY CONCERNS.
STAFF IS CONCERNED WITH THIS 55 MILE AN HOUR, UH, SPEED LIMIT LIMITING THE ACCESS IS PREFERRED FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.
UM, STAFF ALSO IS CONCERNED ABOUT MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS ON RURAL ROADWAYS AND, UM, RECOMMENDS A CONSTRUCTION OF A, UM, PRIVATE ROAD INSTEAD OF GRANTING THE EXCEPTIONS.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE AT NIGHT.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
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APPROVING THIS, WE'RE ASKING THEM TO BUILD A SINGLE ACCESS ROAD THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ALL FIVE.WELL, THEY ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT, ASSUMING THAT IS APPROVED BY THE PLATS OFFICER ADMINISTRATIVELY TO DO TOO.
AND, UH, BUT OF COURSE ONE WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF REDUCING ACCESS ON MAJOR ROADWAYS.
W WE'VE WE'VE DONE THIS SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
UH, THE ONES WE'VE DONE THUS FAR WORKING WITHOUT COMPLAINT, NO ACCIDENT SO FAR AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, MR. DUKE, I HADN'T KNOCKED LOOKED AT ANY STATISTICS, BUT I I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY MICHELLE, CAN YOU BRING UP THE SLIDE AGAIN WITH GOING IN TO DRIVEWAY SCHEMES? YEAH.
IS THIS THE ONLY THING IS, IS, UM, WITH THOSE, THE UPS GUY AND ANY OTHER DELIVERIES WOULD HAVE TO LIKE COME OFF THE ROAD AND ALONG REASON THE WEATHER'S NASTY.
THAT'S REALLY, I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A HEAVY HAZARD THEN I'M COMING UP FOR, AND THIS IS JUST SOME EXAMPLES THAT I CAME UP, BUT THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY, UM, THE, THE RIGHT WAY TO, TO DO IT.
THIS IS JUST A CON CONTEXTUAL PLAN.
UH, WHAT I'M PRESENTING IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
WHAT THEY ARE PRESENTING IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO HAVE, UM, APPROVED.
RIGHT? SO W WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING YOU BASICALLY GOING TO HAVE MAILBOXES, YOU KNOW, EVERY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE IS BETWEEN THE ROADS, UH, ON A 55 MILE, AN HOUR ROAD, YOU GONNA HAVE A LOT OF STARTING AND STOPPING ALONG THAT, THAT SPEED LIMIT.
I CAN SEE HOW THAT'D BE CONSERVATIVE.
DANGEROUS SITUATION AT 700 FEET OR SO 1500 FOOT ROAD, FOUR INCH.
AND IT, AND THE I'M SPACING DOES MEET, UH, ACCESS MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UM, APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS BRETT BARR AND MY WIFE IS HERE, SUSAN BARR.
UH, WE LIVE AT 12 47, 1 SUMMER RIDGE PLACE, AND THAT'S IN MAIDENS.
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT.
SO I DID A BULLET POINT PRESENTATION TO GO THROUGH SOME THINGS REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, THE FIRST THING IS THAT I UNDERSTAND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND UNDER, AND WANTING TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES, JUST NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY.
THERE ARE 16 ENTRANCES AND 1800 FEET, AND AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 112 FEET BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO REDUCE THOSE.
UH, THERE WAS A BRAND NEW SUBDIVISION CONTIGUOUS TO THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS JUST APPROVED WITH 50 FOOT SPACING BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS WITH SMALLER LOTS.
AND OUR REQUEST IS REALLY ABOUT 540 FEET BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS WITH A SHARED ACCESS.
AND THIS PART OF THE ROAD IS VERY STRAIGHT AND, AND SAFE, BUT I JUST, JUST REAL QUICKLY, THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH TO EVALUATE, YOU KNOW, NOT PUTTING IN A ROAD VERSUS A ROAD, UH, WE WENT THROUGH A VISIONING PROCESS AND PART OF THAT WAS TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND WHAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE.
WE DID A DETAILED SITE AND ANALYSIS AND WANTED TO DO A LOW DENSITY, LARGE LOT LAYOUT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPEN SPACES AND THE VISTAS AND HAY FIELDS AND FENCE ROWS NOT HAVE DOUBLE FRONTAGE, LOTS WHERE YOU SEE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE DRIVING DOWN THE MAIN ROAD.
WE WANT TO HAVE NICE, BEAUTIFUL FRONT YARDS WITH THE THREE RAIL FENCE.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE SEE IN THE COUNTY AND WHAT WE LIKE WANT IT TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, PUTTING IN A ROAD WITH DRAINAGE AND DOING ALL THAT.
I THINK, AS AN OVERKILL OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
UM, THE TOPOGRAPHY, ONE THING WITH THOSE LAYOUTS WITH THE ROAD DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDER IS CONSIDERATION THAT TOPOGRAPHY, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF TOPOGRAPHY.
IF YOU PUT IT ON A ROAD LIKE THAT, THERE WOULD BE NO BUILDING AREA.
AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THE ROW WOULD TAKE UP THE FLAT AREA, BUT THE HOUSES WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, SITTING WAIBEL ROYAL ROAD AND WOULDN'T LOOK THAT GOOD.
I'VE ALSO MET WITH THE VITA INSPECTOR AND TALKED TO HIM EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT ISSUING, UM, DRIVEWAY PERMITS.
HE CAME OUT THE SITE, WE WALKED THE SITE, NO ISSUES WITH SAFETY.
SO JUST TO WRAP IT UP, I THINK THIS IS A REASONABLE REQUEST.
THEN IT FOLLOWS, I THINK THE PATTERN WE WANT TO SEE, NOT THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST WITH, YOU KNOW, 16 AND 1800 FEET.
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WE'RE, YOU KNOW, OUR REQUEST IS ABOUT 540 FEET VERSUS 112 FEET.THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING VIDOT WILL APPROVE IT.
AND THE LAYOUT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION MANY FACTORS OTHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN A ROAD AND THAT LAYOUT.
SO OUR PLAN, UM, I THINK ENHANCES THE PROPERTY IT'S FITS THE VISION THAT WE'VE KIND OF LAID OUT.
AND I THINK IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE GOALS OF THE COMP PLAN, UM, AND THE ENTRANCES, YOU KNOW, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE SUBDIVISION IS I THINK WHAT WE WANT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND I THINK THAT'S, IT WOULD BE AN ENHANCEMENT TO THE COUNTY.
AND WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THIS FARM IN OUR FAMILY FOR ABOUT FOUR GENERATIONS.
SO WE KNOW PRETTY WELL, WE WALKED IT, WE UNDERSTAND THE BIOGRAPHY AND THE LAYOUTS, AND WE'VE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH OUR SURVEYOR TO COME UP WITH THIS LAYOUT.
AND I THINK THIS IS THE BEST SOLUTION TO THAT.
AND I WOULD REQUEST THAT, UH, WE GET APPROVAL FOR THAT ADDITIONAL ONE ENTRANCE.
I JUST CURIOUS, UM, I THINK WHAT IT LACKS IS MRS. NOMAN ONLY GOT THE TWO LAPS THAT FALLS INSTEAD OF A LAP SUPPOSE YOU PUT ONE DRIVE WAY BETWEEN ONE AND TWO, WRITE IT RIGHT AT THE PROPERTY LINE, LIKE WAS ON ONE OF THE OTHER ILLUSTRATIONS AND ANOTHER ONE BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR, THEY WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE LAST FIVE THEN WHERE YOU COULD SERVE ALL FIVE LAPS WITH TWO DRIVEWAYS, BECAUSE I MEAN, IT MAY BE TWO OR TERRAIN RESTRICTION OR SOMETHING.
WELL, THERE'S AN EXISTING ROAD THAT GOES BACK TO THE BARN ON LOT FIVE, AND THAT'S A VERY LOGICAL PLACE TO HAVE THAT.
UM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT LOT FIVE WHERE YOU WOULD WANT THE DRIVEWAY TO BE LOCATED IS IN THAT POSITION, BECAUSE IF YOU GO UP NORTH, THEN IN ORDER TO GET INTO LOT FIVE, YOU'RE GOING DOWN A SUPER STEEP HILL, WHICH, YOU KNOW, FROM A THREE-DIMENSIONAL STANDPOINT, DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.
SO WHAT ABOUT TERRAIN RESTRICTS? YES.
THERE'S LOTS OF WOODED OR OPEN, UH, OPEN PATH.
AND, UH, I HAVE, UM, BASICALLY, UH, A PICTURE KIND OF, UH, YES, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE.
SO IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY, YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, ACRES, UH, OPEN ACREAGE WITH, UH, SOME COWS THAT ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND IT ROLLS DOWN IN THE FRONT AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME FENCE ROWS AND THEN AT THE BACK, IT REALLY FALLS OFF.
SO IF YOU HAD TO DEAL WITH JUST ONE ROAD, THAT WOULD BE YOUR BURDEN TO PRODUCE AND FINANCE.
AND THEN MAINTAINING IT, YOU WOULD SHARE THAT BURDEN WITH THE OTHER OWNERS AND SOME SORT OF HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE HASSLE FACTOR IN MANAGING THAT AND CHARGING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MENTIONED? UH, SOUTH DIVISION THAT WAS NEXT TO IT.
IT WAS, UH, DRIVEWAYS EVERY 50 FEET.
THEY THERE'S TWO HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE ABOUT FIVE ACRE, LOTS, AND THE DRIVEWAY IS BRAND NEW DRIVEWAYS ARE 50 FEET APART.
AND I WAS KIND OF SCRATCHING MY HEAD WHEN I WAS MEETING WITH ANITA TALKING ABOUT THIS.
CAUSE WE'RE 540 FEET APART YET.
THAT'S RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF A PONY FARM AND, UH, PERKINS VILLE ROAD.
AND I HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.
AND THAT'S A RELATIVELY RECENT, OH, YES.
THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S THE SAME, UM, THAT'S A PERKINS ROAD.
THIS IS THE BILL, BUT YEAH, I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED WHEN I SAW THAT, BUT THAT THEY FRONT ON, ON PERKINS.
AND I WOULD S I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW THE TRAFFIC COUNTS, BUT I WOULD THINK THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC ON PONY FARM BY FAR THAN WHAT'S ON A CURB.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE SPEED LIMIT IS THE SPEED LIMIT? I THINK IT IS.
I BELIEVE IT IS PEOPLE DON'T REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THE SPEED LIMIT.
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IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS B DOT WOULD HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THE SAFETY.IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE ALREADY WELL.
AND AS I'VE MENTIONED, THEY DO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCESS MANAGEMENT FOR, UM, PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, THEY HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN TO PEANUT, SO, AND THAT BE THAT GRANTS, UH, RESIDENTIAL ACCESS PRETTY EASILY.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FINAL SAY IN WHETHER IT'S SAFE ENOUGH OR NOT TO BE DYED IS, UM, THAT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE THE APPROVAL OF, OF HAVING THE, UM, ACCESS APPROVED, CORRECT.
THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT YOU'RE SHOWING US IS IT'S CHANGED IN SOME WAY.
IT'S STILL GOING TO HAVE TO MEET ME THAT GUY.
IT WILL HAVE TO STILL MEET ALL OF THE CODE STANDARDS, BUT OURS IN THE STATES.
THE MOTION TO APPROVE PASSES ON A FOUR O VOTE OR YOUR MOST BARKER.
OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM TONIGHT IS IN DISTRICT ONE C U 20 16 0 0 0 0 8
[8. Public Hearing Items]
B APPLICATION BY DONNA AND BRADLEY RENTALS REQUESTING RENEWAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU 20 16, 0 0 0 0 8 8[1. District 1 - CU-2016-00008B - Application by Donna and Bradley Reynolds]
FOR A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE ON 23.7 ACRES AT 50 61 BROAD STREET ROAD ON TAX MAP IS 5 1 0 61 1 0 61.SEE THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL.
A ONE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15 1 0 2 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15 TO 90, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT.
THANK YOU, MS. BARKER AGAIN, COMMISSION TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, AS MS. PARKER INDICATED, THIS IS A REQUEST YOU P FOR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE.
THIS IS LOCATED IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED AS A RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND AREAS GENERALLY TO THE NORTH IN THE SOUTH AND THE EAST ARE ZONED AGRICULTURALLY.
UM, THERE ARE AREAS TO THE WEST THAT HAVE AN RR ZONING AND ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
SO THERE ARE TWO SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE PROPERTY.
UH, LOOK AT THE AREA PHOTO THAT DOES SORT OF REFLECT OF THE LOW DENSITY, UH, RURAL RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THIS AREA.
UH, JUST TO NOTE ON WHERE THE CLOSEST RESIDENCES ARE TO THE VENUE BARNES, WHICH IS SORT OF LIKE THE CENTRAL, UM, HUB OF ACTIVITY, I GUESS, UM, FOR THE, FOR THAT THIS PROVIDES USE, UH, JUST SORTA ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT, UM, ON THE, A PHOTO TO SORT OF HIGHLIGHT WHERE THAT CLOSEST HOUSE IS ABOUT 200 FEET AWAY.
UM, ALSO YOU SEE THE TWO VENUE BARNS ON THERE.
UM, THE PARKING AREA IS PRETTY CLEAR.
THERE IS AN AREA OF OVERFLOW PARKING, UM, AND THEY DO USE, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT DOES RESIDE ON THE PROPERTY AND THERE IS A POOL TIKI BAR AREA, UM, THAT THEY UTILIZE FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THEIR ACTIVITIES.
UM, WHICH C IS WHAT, UM, THE, THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE SITE.
UM, AND SOME PICTURES OF THE VENUE BARNES, JUST A FEW PICTURES, UM, OF THE FACILITIES.
AND THIS IS WHAT THE, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE OUTDOOR SETUP WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UH, THIS IS SORT OF THE POOL AREA THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
UH, THE APPLICANT DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING IN APRIL, UH, SUPERVISOR LASKA, LET AND COMMISSIONER MR. MEYERS, AND THREE CITIZENS WERE ATTENDED.
UH, THERE WERE NO CONCERNS RAISED AT THAT MEETING AND THE CITIZENS WERE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHANGES TO THE CB CONDITIONS, BUT THEY'RE REALLY HOUSEKEEPING JUST TO SORT OF REFRESH, UH, THE LANGUAGE TO REFLECT THE LANGUAGE THAT WE CURRENTLY USE, UM, WITH THESE PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLIES.
SO I'LL JUST GO WITH THESE, I'LL GO THROUGH THESE PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, THE FIRST ONE, UH, JUST ALLOWS THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE HERE.
UM, THE SECOND ONE WOULD LIMIT THEM TO 150 GUESTS.
UM, THE THIRD ONE WOULD JUST REFLECT THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY HAD APPROVED FOR THIS IN 2016.
UH, THERE WAS A PARKING WAIVER THAT WAS APPROVED TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE GRAVEL PARKING.
UM, THEY DO, UH, THEY'RE EXCLUDED FROM OPERATING ON MEMORIAL DAY AND LABOR DAY.
UM, THE SIX ONE IT'S, UH, IT OUTLINES WHEN A UNIFORMED SECURITY OFFICER, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE, UH, AT AN EVENT THE SEVENTH ONE REGULATES ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION.
UM, THE EIGHTH ONE REQUIRES THEM TO NOTIFY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, UH,
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ANNUALLY OF EVENTS THAT THEY'RE HOSTING.UH, THE NINTH ONE REGULATES THEIR CFP CP ACTIVITY AND THE NOISE.
THEY ARE LIMITED TO ONE PER DAY.
UH, GENERALLY THEY ALL HAVE THEIR AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR ANY AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
THERE IS A CARVE OUT SORT OF AN EXCEPTION FOR WEDDINGS, UM, THAT THEY COULD HAVE SOME OUTDOOR MUSIC, UM, DURING THEIR PROCESSIONALS AND CEREMONIES, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ORIENTED, UM, TOWARD BROAD STREET IN A WAY FROM THOSE RESIDENCES THAT SHOWED YOU EARLIER.
AND THEN SUBWOOFERS ARE PROHIBITED.
UH, NUMBER 10, ADDRESSES THE HOURS FOR THE EVENTS.
UM, NUMBER 11 JUST REQUIRES THAT THEIR INTERNAL ACCESS ROAD BE MAINTAINED IN A MANNER OF THE SATISFACTORY TO, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, STAFF AND FIRE RESCUE STAFF.
UH, NUMBER 12 REQUIRES THEM TO MAINTAIN A RURAL CHARACTER FOR THE PROPERTY.
UH, NUMBER 13 WOULD LIMIT THEM TO ONE DETACHED SIGN.
UM, THAT'S OUR PROHIBITION ON FIREWORKS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A PROHIBITION ON PARKING ALONG BROAD STREET.
AND IF THAT WORKS TO BECOME A PROBLEM, THE, THE COUNTY COULD REQUIRE THEM TO INSTALL NEW PARKING SIGNS.
UM, NUMBER 16, REGULATES LIGHTING AND THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING.
UM, NUMBER 17 IS SORT OF OUR STANDARD CONDITION AS IT RELATES TO THE POTENTIAL TRANSFER OR AT LEAST TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THE LAST ONE WOULD EXPAND THE OPERATION, THE EXPIRATION DATE OUT TO 10 YEARS, WHICH IS SORT OF A CUSTOM WHEN SOMEONE'S COMING IN FROM A FIVE-YEAR, UM, AFTER FIVE-YEAR RENEWAL, IF THERE HAVE NOT ANY PROBLEMS AND STAFF IS NOT AWARE OF ANY COMPLAINTS OR ISSUES WITH THE SITE, UM, THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR A TEN-YEAR APPROVAL.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS SO INCLINED, UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU HAD NO COMPLAINTS, BUT SO FAR, I'M SORRY.
UM, TECHNICALLY IT'S THE SECOND RENEWAL, UH, WHEN THEY WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED, THEY WERE GIVEN A SHORT DURATION OF LIKE NINE MONTHS.
UM, AND THEN THEY WERE GIVEN SORT OF A MORE, A FIVE-YEAR APPROVAL.
SO TECHNICALLY THIS ISN'T THE SECOND RENEWAL, BUT OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AS THE APPLICANT HERE WITH GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION AND MS. PARKER.
UM, THIS IS OUR FIRST AFTER FIVE YEARS, I'M DONALD REYNOLDS, 5 0 6 1 BROAD STREET ROAD, LOUISA, VIRGINIA.
UM, BUT WE'VE HAD OUR FIVE YEARS.
WE'VE HAD A GREAT FIVE YEARS, A LOT OF BUSINESS, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CONTINUE HOLDING OUR BUSINESS WITH A FEW LESS GREG HAIRS.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU GUYS? I THINK TOM PRETTY MUCH EXPLAINED NO COMPLAINTS.
THANKFULLY ALL WE'RE ASKING THE NEW ONE IS I KNOW THE SIGNAGE AND I THINK IT WAS 11.
WE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE IT FROM 20 FEET TO WHAT'S THE MAX 32 FEET, BECAUSE THEY GAVE US, THEY GAVE US A 20 FOOT CONDITION TALKING ABOUT THE CONDITION FOR THE SIGNAGE.
I NEED HIS NUMBER 13, 20 SQUARE FEET.
WE WOULD LIKE TO JUMP TO 32 PLEASE.
YEAH, THIS, THIS, THIS FOUR BY EIGHT, FOUR, BABY.
THAT'D BE THE ONLY CHANGE WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION, PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE FINISHED THINKING OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS CASE.
NOW ONE CLOSE THAT GENTLEMEN MOTION.
I'LL MOVE WITH PRESENCE JUST TO CLARIFY WITH THAT, BE WITH THE AMENDMENT.
AND, BUT AS, AS AMENDED WITH THE 32, 10 YEARS AND 32 FEET, CORRECT AS AMENDED MOTION AND SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR.
THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES AS AMENDED PASSES ON A FOUR OF VOTE.
THIS CASE WILL BE HEARD BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
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ON JUNE 7TH.OUR NEXT ITEM IS IN DISTRICT THREE R Z 20 22 0 0 0 0 3
[2. District 3 - RZ-2022-00003 - Application by Truett Real Estate Investments, LLC]
APPLICATION BY TRUET REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS, LLC, REQUESTING A REZONING OF 49.372 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TO, TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS ON FAIRGROUND ROAD, APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER MILE WEST OF MAIDENS ROAD ON TAX MAP, NUMBER 43 1 0 4 0.THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY.
I WILL NOTE THERE ARE REVISED PROFFERS THAT WERE RECEIVED AFTER THE DEADLINE COPIES ARE BEFORE YOU ON THE DIAS, WE WILL NEED A MOTION AND A VOTE TO WAIVE THE DEADLINE AND ACCEPT THE REVISED PROFFERS.
UM, SENATOR, I DON'T THINK WE'VE REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO DIGEST THOSE ABSOLUTELY FOR THIS EVENING, TAKE YOUR TIME.
OR WE COULD GIVE THE PRESENTATION AND WE COULD MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE AFTER.
SO IT WAS, UM, INCLUDED IN, THERE WAS AN UPDATED CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT MATCHED THE CHANGE IN PROFFER 11, UM, WHICH WAS TO CHANGE THE, THE ROAD STORAGE OF THE TURN LANE STORAGE FROM 100 FEET TO 200 FEET, WHICH ACTUALLY MATCHES THE ZONING ORDINANCE GUIDE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT WE DON'T SEEM TO HANDLE IT.
WE HAVE IT FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
THIS IS A STATEMENT OF WHAT WE HAD FOR THE NEXT CASE.
UM, AND MR. CASH, CAN YOU STATE THAT AGAIN IN THE MICROPHONE? AND THEN I, I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS ACTUALLY TO MATCH THE ORDINANCE.
UH, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? RIGHT.
UM, SO WHAT THE CHANGE IS PROPOSED IS FIRST AND PROPER ONE THEY'VE UPDATED THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THE UPDATE WAS SPECIFICALLY DONE TO MATCH, UM, THE CHANGE TO PROFFER 11, WHICH IS THE CHANGES TO PROVIDE THAT THE STORAGE LANE MEASURE 200 FEET IN LENGTH RATHER THAN THE 100 FEET IN LENGTH.
AND THAT ACTUALLY IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE PROVISIONS.
WE HAVE ONE FOR THE PRESBY, I'M SORRY TO MAKE THEIR NEEDS BETTER AND MAKE THEM THAT KNOW WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IF THEY'RE MAKING A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET, I THOUGHT SO, BUT IT IS IN THE PRESENTATION.
AND AS MS. PARKER MENTIONED, WE CAN, UM, TALK ABOUT IT IN THE PRESENTATION AND VOTE OUT AND AFTERWARDS YOU'RE WELCOME.
UM, SO THE LAST THOUGHT OF MY PRESENTATION, I'LL GO OVER THAT CHANGE SPECIFICALLY.
UM, SO GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HERE FOR GOODSON COUNTY.
AND THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE REZONING, UH, SPECIFICALLY A REASONING FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED AID TO, TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS, UH, THE ACREAGE, UM, OF THE CASE ABOUT 49.37 ACRES.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG, UH, FAIRGROUND ROAD AND, UH, AND LOCATED INSIDE THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED DAY TWO, AS WELL AS IN THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING IT.
SO ON ALL SIDES, THE CURRENT, UH, LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THE CREDENZA VILLAGE DOES DESIGNATE THIS AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOAD DENSITY.
THIS IS TOWARDS THE EDGE OF THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, UM, PLAN AREA.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
SO THE COURTHOUSE PLAN, UH, WAS FELL UP IN 2015 AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES.
UH, RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES AT THAT TIME WERE LIMITED GENERALLY BY THE UTILITIES CAPACITY FOR SEWER, UM, AND SPECIFICALLY SEWER, UH, CAPACITY THAT SEWER HAS BEEN INCREASED SINCE THE VILLAGE PLAN UPDATED SINCE THAT TIME AND OUR UTILITIES MASTER PLAN AS WELL.
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MARCOS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLAN, PLAN, GROWTH, GUIDANCE, AND PRODUCT AND PRACTICE CONSIDER POTENTIAL INCREASES IN PLAN DENSITY WITH PROVISION OF PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER WHERE APPROPRIATE.UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, AND I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE TO THE PUBLIC, UH, THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE PLAN IS CURRENTLY UNDER EVALUATION AT THIS TIME.
UH, THIS IS AN AREA OF THE SITE.
UM, IT WAS TIMBERED SEVERAL YEARS BACK, UH, BACK.
SO THAT SORT OF CREATES THIS UNUSUAL PATTERN, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE AREA OF THE SCREEN.
UH, THERE ARE, UM, OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES, UM, SURROUNDING THEM ON A GENERALLY AGRICULTURAL INDIVIDUAL LOTS THAT ALSO DOES, UH, BUT, UM, THE VETERINARY, UM, CLINIC THAT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, MAIDEN AND FAIRGROUND.
SO AGAIN, THE SUMMARY, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL, A REZONING FROM 82 TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PROPER CONDITIONS.
THERE IS A PROFFER MAXIMUM OF 40 SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT GENERALLY YIELDS A DENSITY OF 0.81 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND MATURE BUILDING MATERIALS HAVE ALSO BEEN PROFFERED.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER TO BE PROVIDED.
THERE IS PROVIDED A A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER ALONG FAIRGROUND ROAD, AS WELL AS A PERIMETER 100 FOOT BUFFER SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY IN BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT PARCELS TO BE SPECIFIC.
UM, THERE ARE PROFFERED ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO FAIRGROUND ROAD, FULL RIGHT-OF-WAY DEDICATION, UM, ASKED FOR BY THE COUNTY AS WELL AS THE PROVISION OF RIGHT AND TURN RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES.
THERE ARE CONSTRUCTION HOUR LIMITATIONS PROVIDED SPECIFICALLY FOR EXTERIOR, UM, CONSTRUCTION, TRY TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE ADJACENT STERN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO OFFERED A CASH PROFFER CONSISTENT WITH THE CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL.
THIS HERE IS, UM, I'LL SHOW YOU, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED.
I'LL HIGHLIGHT THE TWO CHANGES THAT ARE ON THE OTHER CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UM, AGAIN, IT, IF YOU SEE THERE ARE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS AND RIGHT, UH, RADICALLY WHINING ALONG FAIRGROUND ROAD, THERE IS PROVIDED ONE ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM FAIRGROUND ROAD.
THERE IS PROVIDED A STUB ROAD, UM, TO THE NORTH, UM, A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER THAT SURROUNDS THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS ACCESS HERE IS ACTUALLY FOR THE CEMETERY THAT IS THERE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO, AND THE PRO CURRENTLY IS SHOWN ON THERE AS A A HUNDRED FOOT STORAGE LANE FOR THE RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES.
UM, ON THE UPDATE, WE'LL TALK IN A MOMENT, I'LL SHOW YOU THAT THE CHANGE TO THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO THERE WERE THREE COMMUNITY MEETINGS HELD BY THE APPLICANT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, IN OCTOBER, UH, THERE WAS FIRST ONE WAS SIX CITIZENS ATTENDING AS WELL AS PLANNING COMMISSIONER MEYERS.
UH, BUT IT'S WHAT THAT TIME WAS SORT OF 23 LOTS, UM, CONCERNS ARISING FROM THE COMMUNITY WHERE IMPROVEMENTS TO FAIRGROUND ROAD DRAINAGE, UM, BUFFERS PROPOSED STUB ROAD LOCATION, AND THE LACK OF PORTER, PUBLIC WATER, AND THE IMPACTS THAT MAYBE THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE ON EXISTING WELLS, UM, WITHIN THE AREA.
UM, AND THE FEASIBILITY OF ROUTING UTILITIES TO DEVELOPMENT WHEN ASKED BY THE APPLICANT ATTENDING, UM, THE ATTENDING STUDENTS EXPRESSED AN ACCEPTANCE OF THE INCREASE IN DENSITY AND DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY BE NECESSITATED BY THE COST OF EXTENDING WATER TO THE SITE.
AND IN DECEMBER OF 2021, NON CITIZENS ATTENDED A SECOND COMMUNITY MEETING.
THIS TIME, SUPERVISOR IS SPOON HAUER, AND INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ALVAREZ WERE IN ATTENDANCE.
THE PROPOSAL AT THAT TIME, IT CHANGED TO 27 LOTS, UM, CONCERNS RAISED BY THE COMMUNITY AT THAT TIME TALK REGARDING THE USE OF SEPTIC ON THE PROPOSED LOTS AND THE IMPACT OF THAT SEPTIC USE POTENTIALLY ON NEARBY LOTS AND THE ENVIRONMENT, UM, IMPROVEMENTS AGAIN TO FAIRGROUND ROAD AND CONCERNED ABOUT STUBBORN LOCATION.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO CONCERNS ARE RAISED AT THAT TIME ABOUT, UM, RESISTING TRAFFIC LONG FAIRGROUND ROAD AND POTENTIAL INCREASE FROM THIS, THIS PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE IMPACT POTENTIALLY OUR PROPERTY VALUES SURROUNDING THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND A THIRD COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD IN FEBRUARY.
THIS TIME, THERE WERE 25 CITIZENS WITH DISTRICT PLAN DISTRICT ROAD PLANNING, COMMISSIONER MYERS ON ATTENDANCE.
THIS TIME, THE PROPOSAL WAS FOR 47 LOTS, UM, CONCERNS RAISED AT THAT MEETING.
THEY INCLUDED THE IMPACT OF THIS FILM ON A PUBLIC FACILITIES THAT INCLUDES ROADS, SCHOOLS, UTILITIES, UM, FAIRGROUND ROAD TRAFFIC, AND THE POTENTIAL THAT NEW RESIDENTS WOULD TRESPASS ON ADJACENT PROPERTY TO ACCESS HIDDEN ROCK PARK.
SO COMMUNITY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED IN REGARDS TO THIS CASE.
UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD 15 IN OPPOSITION, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.
AND THE PRIMARY CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED IS COMES ABOUT IS TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ON FAIRGROUND ROAD IMPACTS ON SCHOOLS, UM, IN POTENTIAL GROWTH GENERALLY IN THE AREA.
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STAFF CONCERNS, UM, THAT COME ABOUT WITH THIS CASE IS, YOU KNOW, UM, THE PRES WAS LOCATED IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.UM, IT DOES CURRENTLY EXCEED THE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION OF RESIDENTIAL LAND DENSITY, UM, AS ALSO AS, UH, OUTLINED STAFF, UM, EARLIER IN THE CASE AND THE PRESENTATION, THERE IS A PROVISION THAT POTENTIALLY A PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER ARE PROVIDED.
THERE MAY BE, UH, AN INCREASE IN DIC, UH, PROPORTIONATE INCREASE IN DENSITY.
UM, THE LAND USE PLAN DOES CURRENTLY CALL FOR LOTS ON TWO ACRES, WHICH REALLY COMES TO 0.5 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE PROPOSAL IS 0.81 UNITS BREAKER, WATER AND SEWER ARE BEING PROVIDED.
AND THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE PLAN IS CURRENTLY UNDER EVALUATION AS WE'VE WE'VE DISCUSSED, UM, IN ADDITIONAL THE VILLAGE PLAN ITSELF WOULD CALL FOR SIDEWALKS, BE PROVIDED ALONG FAIRGROUND ROAD UNDER THE EXISTING VILLAGE PLAN.
SO I WON'T GO THROUGH, I CAN GO THROUGH AND INDIVIDUALLY PROFITS, I'LL GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF THE PROFFERS AS THEY CURRENTLY EXIST FOR THE CASE, UM, PROVISION OF A CONCEPTUAL PLAN PROVISION OF BUILDING ELEVATIONS THAT THE UNIT SHOULD GENERALLY BE CONFORMING WITH, UH, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO AND RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION ALONG FAIRGROUND ROAD TO INCLUDE LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES, A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER, A LONG FIELD GROUND ROAD, AND THE SUBDIVISION PERIMETER AT CASH PROFFER OF ONE 13,781 PER LOT.
EXTERIOR CONSTRUCTION IS NOW LIMITED TO 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM WITH PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER PROVIDED AS WELL AS BUILDING MATERIALS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ROOFING MATERIALS AS WELL AS FOUNDATION.
UM, WHAT HAS CHANGED TODAY AND WHAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU BY THAT WAS THE APPLICANT CAME FORWARD TODAY.
IT WAS REALLY TO CLARIFY AN ISSUE IN REGARDS TO THE STORAGE, UM, LANE FOR THE TURN LANES.
SO PROFFER ONE UPDATE IS TO NOTE THAT THEY'RE REVISING THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO SHOW THE REVISION TO THE STORAGE LANES FOR THE TURN LANES.
UM, AND THEN NUMBER 11, PRO PROFFER CHANGED IT.
THE STORAGE LANES WERE PREVIOUSLY LISTED AS 100 FEET IN LENGTH.
THAT PROVISION NOW IS 200 AND LATE.
AND THAT IS ACTUALLY IN CONFORMANCE TO THE ORDINANCE, UH, THE HOUSTON COUNTY ORDINANCE ON THE SCREEN HERE, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THE ONE CHANGE TO CHANGES IS HARD TO MAKE OUT, BUT PREVIOUSLY THE STORAGE LANE STORAGE SAID 100 FEET.
NOW IN BOTH THOSE PLACES, IT SAYS 200 FEET.
AND AGAIN, THAT WAS AN UPDATED CONCEPTUAL PLAN JUST TO MAKE, JUST TO MATCH THE, UM, THE CHANGE TO THE PROFFER.
UM, AS ALWAYS STAFF IS AVAILABLE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND IT STARTED OFF WITH 23 UNITS.
THEN I WENT TO 27, THEN TO 40 TO 47 WITH THE 47 NOW DOWN TO 40.
SO WITH THE CONCERNS BEING RELATIVELY THE SAME, HOW HAS THE, THE NUMBER OF HOMES TO BE BUILT JUST RISEN THE ENTIRE TIME? SO THE INITIAL MEETING, THE CONCERNS WERE RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO THE IMPACT OF ON THE WELLS IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
UM, FOLLOWING THAT MEETING THE APPLICANT CAME BACK WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE WATER, UM, TO THE, TO THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND HOW THE CA THE SECOND COMMUNITY MEETING AT THAT SECOND COMMUNITY MEETING AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE CONCERN CAME UP REGARDING THE IMPACT OF MORE SEPTIC FIELDS IN THE AREA, UM, KNOWING THAT THERE HAD ALREADY BEEN PROBLEMS WITH SEPTIC IN THE AREA.
AND SO FOLLOWING THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORED THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SEWER AS WELL TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO PART OF THAT WAS TO PAY FOR THE WATER AT SHORE, RIGHT.
YOU, WE NEED TO INCREASE THE DENSITY OF COURSE, TO DO THAT.
AND, UM, I THINK THE 47, AND I THINK AFTER THAT MEETING, THEY, RE-EVALUATED SOME THINGS THAT CAME BACK WITH A LESSER PROPOSAL, INCREASED THE BUFFER ADJACENT TO THE PERIMETER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THE CURRENT ZONING, THIS LOW DENSITY, UM, THE CURRENT COMPOUNDS RECOMMENDATION IS IDENTITY.
HOW FAR DO THEY HAVE TO RUN THE, UM, CURRENTLY, UH, I THINK WATER, IS IT HIDDEN ROCK PARK? AND I GUESS SEWER GOES UP TO THAT FAR.
I'VE HAD SOME COMPROMISE FOR THE CREEK THERE.
SO IT'S COMING UP JUST OUT, COULD TIE INTO THAT.
UM, THE KID HAS, THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT GUYS OUT THERE.
UM, THE MASTER PLAN DOES SHOW POTENTIALLY THAT WATER AND SEWER WAS GOING UP TO THOSE PROPERTY, TO THIS PROPERTY, UM, SPECIFICALLY, BUT ALONG FAIRGROUND ROAD,
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ALL, ALL THE LAND FOR THE WIDENING OF THE YOU'RE CALLING STORAGE LANE.SO FULL CONTROL, THAT'S ALL BEING PROVIDED BY THE OWNER AND THAT'S NOTHING BEING TAKEN FROM OWNERS ACROSS THE STREET DEAL.
UM, I BELIEVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBER IS THEY'RE PREVENTING A 62 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY.
SO THAT FROM THE CENTER LANE, UM, ACTUALLY IT'S, IT'S BEING UPGRADED TO MATCH WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR A MINOR ARTERIAL IN THE AREA.
AND AT SOME POINT I ASSUME THAT BEAR GRAMS WOULD NEED TO BE WIDE AND HOPEFULLY NOT IN MY LIFETIME, BUT IT, AND THAT WOULD, THAT'S KIND OF BEING PREPARED FOR ALONG THE WAY HERE.
UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IMPROVEMENTS, I BELIEVE IN, ON LAND SAND AND BREEDS HILL ON THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, THE BASICALLY IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN RECENT YEARS, A LOT OF FAIRGROUND RAY WOULD HAVE BEEN, AGAIN, SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
THIS'LL BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER WIDENING FOR THIS, THIS PORTION HERE.
UM, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT IT HAS HAD A VARIETY AWAY FROM, FOR WHAT THE 20, 40 EMPTY THOROUGHFARE PAN CALLS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, AND IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, HAVING BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANE FOR IMPROVEMENTS, SO IT'S, UH, IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT ACROSS THE LENGTH OF THE FRONT END.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO DO, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT TURN LANES SITUATION THAN WHAT'S THE HABIT SAY LANES IN, WHICH IS A HALF MILE AWAY.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THAT AS FAR AS DESIGN, UM, YOU KNOW, MYSELF, I'M NOT, I CAN'T EXACTLY PICTURE THOSE IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S PREPARED.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE, UM, THE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UH, THAT, THAT THEY GO THROUGH AND, AND THROUGH VIETNAM, THERE WAS NO RECOMMENDATION AT ALL FOR TURN LANES.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR PRACTICE, WE LIKE TO AT A MINIMUM HAVE RIGHT TURN LANES, BUT PREFER LEFT LANES AS WELL.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED THEM, UM, THINGS.
AND I WILL SAY IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF EVERY SITE THAT HE WENT WITH, THE BASIC V.STORAGE OF 100 FEET.
UM, WHEREAS WE PREFER 200 FEET DOESN'T MEAN UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, IT GOES DOWN FROM THAT.
UM, BUT THE APPLICANT WAS CONFIDENT THAT HE COULD PROVIDE THE 200 FEET OF STORAGE.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE TURN LANES ARE IN STORAGE LINES ARE NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ASKING BEFORE FUTURE SAFETY, TRANSPARENT.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU WEREN'T TURN LANES UNDER V DOTS STANDARDS AND UNDER THE CURRENT PROVISIONS THAT DOESN'T, UM, WE RECOMMEND IT BECAUSE WITH MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS, WE LIKE TO HAVE LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES, PROMOTE THE MOBILITY TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF TRAVELING.
SO AS BEST WE CAN, WE ESPECIALLY FEEL IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, THAT ALONG FAIRGROUND ROAD, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES FOR THIS.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED TO DO SO.
IF, IF, AND WHEN, WELL, IT'S PROBABLY MORE, WHEN A FAIRGROUNDS ROAD IS WIDE, ANY IDEA HOW MUCH THEY WERE REDUCED TO A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER, UM, NO THEY'RE PROVIDING SUFFICIENT, SUFFICIENT, THEY'RE DEDICATING SUFFICIENT RIGHT AWAY TO KEEP THE BUFFET BUFFALO.
WE'RE ASKING THEM TO PROFFER TO WHAT WE SEE AT THE, BE THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UM, YEAH, SO RIGHT FOR THEIR SIDE.
SO AS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN THE, ACROSS THE STREET, THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION OR, UM, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, UH, PURSUE, UM, EASEMENTS THROUGH ANOTHER MEANS, RAY, THERE'S A SENTENCE IN THE PAPERWORK.
COURTHOUSE VILLAGE PLAN IS UNDER AN EVALUATION AND THIS LAND AREA MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR HIGHER DENSITY WITH THE PROVISION OF PUBLIC UTILITIES AND THE CURRENT PLAN RECOMMENDATION.
HOWEVER, THIS HAS NOT YET BEEN DETERMINED.
IS THIS A CAVEAT TO MAYBE NOT GOING THROUGH A REZONING ISSUE? WELL, SPECIFICALLY IT WAS WANTING TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT CURRENTLY THAT PART OF THE PLAN IS UNDER EVALUATION.
UM, AS I OUTLINED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, THROUGH EVALUATION WHERE WE'VE LOOKED AT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, AND THE PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS NO CAPACITY.
THE CAPACITY IS NOW THERE, AND THAT WAS UPDATED IN THE MASTER PLAN FOR UTILITIES.
SO THE PROVISION, THE ABILITY IS SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD FILL IT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, THEY COULD INCREASE THE DENSITY.
AND STILL WHAT YOU'D STILL LIKE TO DO IS TRY TO KEEP THINGS COMPARABLE TO THE DENSITY BEFORE, UM, THAT WE ANTICIPATE THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVALUATION THAT'S GOING ON NOW, THERE'LL BE AN EVALUATION OF DENSITY LEVELS BASED UPON THE ACTUAL UTILITY PROVISIONS WE HAVE, AS WELL AS OTHER USE LAND USES.
SO THEN WOULD IT BE REZONED DIFFERENTLY? UM, WELL OF COURSE THE CONFERENCE, SOME PLAN WOULD NOT DO THE REZONING ITSELF.
UM, SO IT WAS JUST THAT COD THE ODD IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS APPLICATION IS IT'S AHEAD OF THE COURTHOUSE UPDATE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY IT'S TECHNICALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT LANDRY RICE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION IS CURRENTLY.
BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE PROVISION OF UTILITIES
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AND CAPACITY TO THE AREA DOES ALLOW FOR US TO DENSITY EVALUATION.IN ADDITION TO WHAT KURT WAS JUST ASKING.
UM, SO AM I JUST CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING, SO WE'RE GOING FOR 47 LINES.
NOW, IF THIS COMPETENCE, THE COUNTY CHANGES THEIR PLAN, WHERE THEY ARE HIGHER DENSITY IS ALLOWED, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN REZONE AGAIN, IF THEY WANTED MORE FOR THERE, OR IS THIS 47 AND 40? YEAH.
PERHAPS I HAVE FOR PERSONAL FOR 40TH NOW THAT WOULD BE THEIR ZONING ONE.
UM, SHOULD THEY WISH TO CHANGE FROM THAT? YES, THEY WOULD HAVE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH REZONING.
SO, SO AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE ARE LIMITING THE DEVELOPMENT TO 40 LIGHTS, CORRECT.
I HAVE A QUESTIONS IF I MADE THAT A LITTLE BIT LESS CLEAR THAN MY, SO AGAIN, THAT LAST SLIDE WAS WHAT THAT LAST DISCUSSION ON TAPER WAS THE ONLY CHANGES TO THE PROPER.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, SIR.
ANDREW BROWNING, 9 2 3 STONE CASTLE DRIVE, GO TO THE VIRGINIA, UM, WITH YOUNGBLOOD TOLERANT ASSOCIATES.
I'D LIKE TO RESERVE A LITTLE TIME AT THE END FOR REBUTTAL AS WELL.
TONIGHT IS MR. CARL, HOLTRAN A TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH GROVE SLAY, AND ALSO MR. ERIC GREENBAUM THE OWNER WITH TRUET REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS.
I ALWAYS FORGET WHICH BOOK FOR JAMIE WHITE ONE.
I'M SORRY, WHICH BUTTON TO GO BACKWARDS IF YOU HAVE TO GO BACKWARDS AND THAT'S THE POINTER.
SO WHAT DO YOU SEE LAYOUT THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED AND WHAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AS WELL AS GO THROUGH KIND OF HOW WE GOT HERE? CAUSE WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE KIND OF DONE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN ASKED OF US.
UH, SO WHAT WE STARTED WITH WAS INITIALLY WAS 23 LOTS AND THESE 23 LOTS WERE ON WELL AND SEPTIC.
UH, WE HAD A STUB ROAD TO THE SLOAN PROPERTY, TO THE NORTH.
WE HAD A 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG FAIRGROUND ROAD, A 30 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARIES WITH LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES INTO THE SITE.
WE PRESENTED THIS LAYOUT AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING IN OCTOBER OF 2021.
UH, CITIZENS HAD SOME CONCERNS, UH, MOST OF THE CONCERN HAD TO DO WITH PRIVATE WELLS, UH, AND THE ISSUE OF, UH, LACK OF PUBLIC WATER AND POTENTIAL DRYING UP OF THE WELLS AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ISSUES ON THE LOCATION OF THE STOVE ROAD AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
DURING THE MEETING, WE DISCUSSED THE POTENTIAL OF BRINGING THE WATER LINE TO THE SITE, WHICH IS 1800 FEET AWAY UP FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
AND THE CITIZENS INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT A HIGHER DENSITY TO OFFSET THE COST OF EXTENDING THAT WATER.
SO WE WENT BACK, WE MET WITH DPU FIRE, RANSOM ENGINEERING STUDIES TO VERIFY THAT THERE WAS WATER CAPACITY AND PRESSURE ADEQUATELY TO GET THERE.
UH, AND THEN WE CAME UP WITH THIS LAYOUT AND THIS LAND WAS ACTUALLY 29 LOTS.
UM, AND WE, WE REMOVED, WE TOOK THE STUB ROAD IN, STUMPED IT BACK TO THE WEST TOWARDS HIDDEN ROCK PARK.
UH, WE HAD 150 FOOT BUFFER, I'M SORRY, AROUND FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
AND WE PUT A 50 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
WE THEN PRESENTED THAT LAYOUT AT A SECOND COMMUNITY MEETING IN DECEMBER OF 2021.
THERE WERE STILL CONCERNS ABOUT SEPTIC FIELDS AND THE SOILS ON SITE, WHETHER THEY WERE SUITABLE FOR DRAIN FIELDS.
THE STUB ROAD BECAME A, UH, ISSUE.
THAT LOCATION WAS AN ISSUE AGAIN WITH THE GUY TO THE WEST.
HE DIDN'T WANT IT IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, WE CONSULTED WITH STAFF AND V DOT, UH, UTILITIES EXPRESSED DESIRE FOR US TO CONNECT TO PUBLIC SEWER, WHICH WE WERE UNAWARE THAT WE COULD, WHICH IS DOWN AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
UM, PLANNING REQUESTED A HUNDRED FOOT BAR FOR A LONG FAIRGROUND.
WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH VEET OUT ABOUT THE STUB ROAD, AND THEY INSISTED THAT WE, AS WE STEP INTO THE SLOAN PARCEL, IF WE WANTED TO GET OUR ROADS EXCEPTED IN THE STATE SYSTEM.
SO THEN WE CAME BACK WITH THIS LAYOUT, UM, AND THIS LAYOUT SHOWS 47 LOTS ALL CONNECTED ON PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
UH, WE STILL HAVE THE ROAD NORTH TO THE SLOAN PRICE, A PROPERTY.
WE HAD A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER AS REQUESTED BY A COUNTY ALONG FAIRGROUND ROAD.
AND THEN WE HAD 50 FOOT BUFFERS AROUND THE PERIMETER.
WE PRESENTED THAT LAYOUT AT A THIRD COMMUNITY MEETING IN FEBRUARY OF 2022.
A CITIZEN CONCERNS SHIFTED A LOT AT THAT POINT TO DENSITY AND, UH, TRAFFIC ON FAIRGROUND ROAD.
UH, THE STUB ROAD WAS STILL A CONCERN.
UM, BUT THE, THE PRIORITIES KIND OF SHIFTED TO DENSITY AT THAT POINT.
SO WE WENT BACK, WE ADJUSTED THE LAYOUT AGAIN, WE BACKED DOWN TO 40 LOTS.
WE, WE HAD, WE PUT, WE LEFT THE STOVE ROAD.
WE PUT A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
36% OF THE SITE IS OPEN SPACE AND ONLY 20% IS REQUIRED.
AND, UH, WE DEDICATED LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES AND PER THE COUNTY, WE DEDICATED 37 AND A HALF FEET OF RIGHT AWAY, ADDITIONAL RIGHT-AWAY
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ALONG FAIRGROUND ROAD, WHICH IS ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF OF ADDITIONAL LAND FOR THE FUTURE WIDENING OF FAIRGROUND ROAD.THE EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE PROPOSING THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, HOME SIZES WILL BE IN THE RANGE OF 1800 TO 2,700 SQUARE FEET, UH, PRICES APPROXIMATELY THREE 50 TO $500,000.
UH, WE PROFFERED A BUNCH OF QUALITY STANDARDS REGARDING ELEVATION SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT FACADES, UH, FOUNDATIONS, ROOF MATERIALS.
WE, WE PERFORM TO WE'VE PERFORMED A TRAFFIC STUDY INITIALLY IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021 WITH THE 23 LOTS THAT STUDY ANALYZED THE INTERSECTION OF FAIRGROUND AND MAIDENS ROAD AND FAIRGROUND IN THE SITE ENTRANCE.
IT WAS UPDATED IN FEBRUARY OF 2022 TO REFLECT THE 47 LIGHTS AND WHAT THAT TRAFFIC STUDY CAN CONCLUDE.
IT WAS THAT TRAFFIC FROM THE SUBDIVISION IS INSIGNIFICANT TO THE OVERALL FUNCTIONALITY OF THE INTERSECTION OF MAIDENS AND FAIRGROUNDS.
IT ALSO DID NOT WARRANT ANY LEFT OR RIGHT TURN LANES, UH, DURING ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS QUESTIONED THE TRAFFIC COUNTS ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, BASICALLY, MAYBE CONCERNED ABOUT COVID AND THE TRAFFIC COUNTS BEING INACCURATE.
WE WENT OUT AND DID A NEW TRAFFIC COUNT IN MARCH 15TH OF THIS YEAR, AND THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS CAME BACK ALMOST IDENTICAL.
UH, I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE PLAN A LITTLE BIT AS IT RELATES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DENSITY OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AND AREA DESIGNATED FOR DEVELOPMENT AND THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ESTABLISH THE TWO MAJOR VILLAGES WHERE DEVELOPMENT FEATURE VERY VARIOUS HOUSING TYPES AND DENSITIES ENCOURAGED IS ENCOURAGED AS COURTHOUSE AND CENTERVILLE.
CURRENTLY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WITH AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF TWO ACRES, WHICH IS A CORRESPONDING DENSITY OF A HALF A UNIT, AN ACRE, UH, OUR PROPOSED ZONING IS R ONE.
THE PROPOSED DENSITY IS 0.81 UNITS, AN ACRE.
HOWEVER, AS RAY MENTIONED, UH, WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS PREPARED, THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL SECRETE SEWER CAPACITY IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
SO THE LAND USE DESIGNATION WAS DEEMED LOW DENSITY WITH ANTICIPATION OF DRAIN FIELDS.
UH, PROVISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ALLOW FOR HIGHER DENSITY.
IF SEWER CAPACITY BECAME AVAILABLE RECENT UPGRADES IN THE EFFICIENCY AT DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND THE OVER-SIZING OF THE VALLEY VIEW FORCE MAY HAVE MADE, UH, EXTRA SEWER CAPACITY, A REALITY.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS EXAMPLES OF COURTHOUSE, VILLAGE DENSITY.
SOME OF THE RECENT SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, UH, THE VILLAGE HAD HIDDEN ROCK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
IT IS LESS DENSE THAN READ MARSH AND SWANS IN READ.
MARSH HAS 1.1 40 UNITS, AN ACRE AS PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER SWANS.
IN 1.27 UNITS, AN ACRE OF PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER RURAL HILL WAS PUBLIC WATER, SOME PUBLIC SEWER.
IT WAS 0.6, FOUR UNITS AN ACRE.
AND AGAIN, THIS PROJECT IS PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER 0.81 UNITS PER ACRE.
THESE ARE EXCERPTS DIRECTLY FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REGARDING DENSITY IN PUBLIC UTILITIES, A MAJOR VILLAGE SERVE AS DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS WHERE NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED AND CONCENTRATED THE AMOUNT AND RATE OF GROWTH THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WILL VARY DEPENDENT UPON THE CAPACITY OF PUBLIC SEWER AND PUBLIC WATER.
MAJOR VILLAGES ARE A LOGICAL LOCATION FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS IN THE COUNTY AND APPROPRIATE AREAS FOR GREATER VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND DENSITIES BASED ON THE AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC UTILITIES, THIS AREA SHOULD BE DESIGNATED MEDIUM DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, MEDIUM DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL OR SINGLE FAMILY.
RESIDENTIAL USES WOULD AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF ONE ACRE.
THIS CLASSIFICATION GENERALLY CORRESPONDS TO R ONE AND R THREE ZONING DISTRICTS.
ALL OF THESE EXAMPLES, POINT TO THE ALLOWANCE FOR HIGHER DENSITY WITHIN THE AVAILABILITY WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC UTILITIES IN THE MAJOR VILLAGE, THEREFORE THE PROPOSED ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND DENSITY COMPLY WITH THE INTENT OF THE 2035 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, SOME BENEFITS TO THE COUNTY QUALITY OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, CLOSE TO THE SCHOOL'S LIBRARY, YFCA DEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA DESIGNATED FOR GROWTH, REDUCED URBAN SPRAWL INTO THE RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTY ADDED ROOFTOPS TO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESS PROFFERED, ELEVATIONS, AND CONDITIONS TO ENSURE A QUALITY TO DEVELOPMENT EXTENSION OF, AND CONNECTION TO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO FAIRGROUND ROAD ALONG PROPERTY FRONTAGE 1.6 ACRES OF AWAY DEDICATION FOR FUTURE ROAD WIDENING, UH, SOME BENEFITS.
THE DEVELOPER AGREES TO PAY THE FULL CASH PROFFER AND THE AMOUNT OF $13,781 A LOT, ASSUMING 40 HOMES, CASH PROFITS, TOTAL $551,240.
ASSUMING ALL 40 HOMES ARE CONNECTED.
PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER WOULD GENERATE $448,000 IN WATER, SEWER CONNECTION FEES.
AND BASED ON AN AVERAGE VALUE OF $425,000 PER HOME PROJECT GENERATE A $90,000 ANNUAL REAL ESTATE TAXES.
UH, WITH, WITH THAT, WE REQUEST THAT YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THIS REZONING.
AND I'M HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT, THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
AND YOUR LAST DAY YOU SAID, ASSUMING ALL HOMES WILL BE CONNECTED TO ONE RESORTS.
IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE YES, WE PROFFERED AT THAT.
SHOULDN'T SAY THAT WE PROFFERED TO CONNECT ORDER AND SAY, YES, SIR.
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WHAT WERE THE DENSITIES OF SOME OF THE OTHER SUB DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU MENTIONED? I DIDN'T HAVE CHANCE FOR 1.2.SO AT 1.1, FOUR UNITS, AN ACRE SWAN'S IN WAS 30 LOTS ON 23 AND A HALF ACRES.
1.27 RURAL HILL WAS 170 LOTS ON 264 ACRES 0.64, AND WE HAVE 40 LIGHTS ON 49 ACRES 0.81.
NOW WE'LL OPEN IT TO PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND WE'LL HOLD YOU TO IT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN SMITH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND MAN COUNCIL, MADAM SECRETARY, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, UH, RISE TO ALSO ASK IF I CAN THEN HAVE, UH, PEOPLE COME UP AND YIELD THEIR TIME FOR A MINUTE.
UH, AND BY THE WAY, I'M BENSON TO APPLY TO MAINS ROAD MEANS VIRGINIA.
I APOLOGIZE, MR. CHAIRMAN STATE YOUR NAME, SIR, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR, UH, PAUL BURCHELL.
I LIVE ON 2368 TWIN CREEK LANE OFF OF MAIDEN ROAD, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO YIELD MY TIME, BUT IT WAS A SLUM.
I LIVE AT 2378 TWIN CREEKS LANE, UM, OFF MAIDENS AND I WOULD ALSO BE HONORED TO YIELD MY TIME TO MR. SLIME.
UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY NINE MINUTES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION UNDER CONSIDERATION.
HOWEVER, I DO AGREE WITH THE CHANGE TO THE PROPER, INTO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS MADE TODAY AND SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD AND WHAT, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE, UH, OPPOSITION, IT PREDOMINANTLY GOES ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT, UH, WAS HEARD AT THE MEETINGS, AND I'M GOING TO CHARACTERIZE THE MEETINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, BUT, UH, I'M GOING TO START WITH, FIRST OF ALL, PROPERTY RIGHTS, PROPER RIGHTS ARE VERY INHERENT IN THE CONSTITUTION.
AND WITH REGARDS TO THAT, ERIC AND FAMILY HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND ALL THE SURROUNDING MEMBERS OF, UH, THE LANDOWNERS HAVE, UH, PROPERTY RIGHTS ALSO.
AND ONE OF THE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT REALLY HITS WITH REGARDS TO US IS, UM, AND IN PARTICULAR, OUR PERSONAL VIEW IS THE STUB ROAD, WHICH HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
AND I'LL DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT, ALSO HAPPINESS AND SAFETY AS PART OF THE VIRGINIA CONSTITUTION.
AGAIN, THAT FLOWS DOWN FROM WHAT I, UH, STATED DURING THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION.
OUR FIRST ISSUE THAT WE, UH, HAVE, UH, A PROBLEM WITH AS A FAMILY INDIVIDUALLY, IS THE STUB OUT ROAD AS MENTIONED AND PROPERLY DESCRIBED.
UH, THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS AND I BELIEVE THIS WORKS.
WE ARE LOCATED IN THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS ABOUT 22 ACRES PLUS, AND THIS PROPERTY, OUR HOUSE ACTUALLY IS HERE.
UH, THE STEP ROAD WAS ORIGINALLY SET UP TO AS PROPERLY DESCRIBED BY THE GENTLEMEN PREVIOUSLY TO GO TO OUR PROPERTY.
WE SAID, WE DID NOT WISH THAT, AND THIS WAS DONE AT THE FIRST MEETING.
WE ALSO WERE VERY EMPHATIC ABOUT WATER BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE AIR BECAUSE OF THE AQUIFER AND, UH, VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THAT.
SO WE REALLY ACTUALLY AGREED WITH THIS, UH, UH, MOVING OF THE STUB ROAD AND THE WATER AND THE DENSITY JUST AS STATED, UH, THIS WAS A LATER, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WE SAW AND WE BASICALLY SAW THE INCREASE DUE TO WATER REQUEST, BUT, UM, APPARENTLY THAT WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO BE THAT.
AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCEPTUAL PLAN WHICH INCREASED THE NUMBER OF HOUSES AND ALSO CHANGED THE STEP ROAD, WHICH WE WERE HAPPY WITH.
THAT HAS CHANGED AGAIN, BACK TO WHERE THE STUB ROAD COMES FROM OUR PROPERTY.
UH, THAT AGAIN IS ONE OF OUR OBJECTIONS.
AND, UM, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH ADAM MOORE V DOT, AND HE SAID THAT THEY ARE NOT REQUIRING THE SUB ROAD B TO OUR PROPERTY.
THAT IS WITHOUT DOUBT A TRUE FACT, UNLESS ADAM MOORE WAS MISLEADING ME.
HOWEVER, I THINK THERE'S A, A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION THAT'S BEEN SPOKEN TO BY THAT.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING B CAN BE CLEARED UP THROUGH A CONVERSATION WITH VIDO, UH, THEN MOVING ON, UH, TO SHOW WHERE THE STUB ROAD
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ACTUALLY SHOWED.AND THIS IS A ROUGH, UH, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T HAVE THE CAD SOFTWARE AND OTHER THINGS, BUT ON TOP OF THE G UH, GIS SYSTEM, YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS WHERE THE STUB ROAD WOULD GO.
WE HAVE NO INTENT OF SELLING THE PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD EVEN WORK OUT FROM A STANDPOINT OF STUB ROAD.
WE'RE ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT, IF WE PUT THIS IN CONSERVATION EASEMENT OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF, UH, OPERATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH A TRUST, UH, IT'S NOT EVEN PRACTICAL, UH, GOING BACK TO THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A STUB ROAD IS.
SO I THINK THIS IS JUST NOT THE PROPER LOCATION FOR IT.
WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT ON THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
AND WE HAVE ALSO CLARIFIED THAT WITH THE V.ENGINEER.
THIS IS A SIGN THAT WOULD BE GOING UP, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT, UH, AND THAT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SAS, UH, REQUIREMENT, UH, SARS REQUIREMENTS, EXCUSE ME, UH, THAT BEEN THROUGH AND JUST DO NOT WANT THIS ON OUR PERFECT, I'M GOING TO DIGRESS INTO FAIRGROUND ROAD FOR A MOMENT.
UH, THIS IS HOW THE 24, 20 40 THIRD FLOOR PLAN.
YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL NOTICE THE WIDEN, THE FOUR LANES UNDIVIDED ROAD.
THE FACT THAT, THAT, UH, RED MARKER IS THERE INDICATES THE FACT THAT IT IS A DANGEROUS ROAD AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO IT.
SO AT SOME POINT IT'S GOING TO BE WINDED FOUR LANES.
THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT EMPHASIZED HERE ALSO WE'RE 6 32 IS GOING TO BE, UH, AT SOME POINT NON DIVIDED, FOUR LANE ROAD, AND BACK TO THE 15 33, 4 5.
THE FACT THAT WE ARE OVER THE 4,000 LIMIT, AND THIS AGAIN IS VERY AVAILABLE DATA THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED TO ANY CONSIDERATION WITH FAIRGROUND ROAD BACK TO SAFETY AGAIN, BECAUSE I FEEL THAT'S ONE, THAT'S THE SECOND PREDOMINANT ISSUE THAT CAME UP IN ALL THE MEETINGS.
AND I DON'T THINK WAS ADDRESSED OTHER THAN PUT ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH I CAN'T ARGUE WITH.
I'VE NOT BEEN IN THE LEVEL OF DETAIL OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES.
SO THAT THAT'S A VERY FAIR COMMENT.
UM, I NOTE HERE ON THE MAP, UH, THIS IS A LITTLE DATED AND THE FACT THAT NOT ALL THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS ARE ON THIS, BUT IN RELATIVE TERMS BETWEEN SPAWNS IN READ MARSH RURAL HILL, WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING ANOTHER 288 HOME 228 PLUS HOMES, AND THERE'S OTHER INCENDIARY HOMES GOING IN.
UH, I BELIEVE THE GORDON BROTHERS HAVE A COUPLE OF ONES IN SOME IN THE AREA, AND THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE 20, 40 MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE EASTERN COUNTY FAIRGROUND ROAD, OILVILLE AREA IS THE HOTSPOT FROM 2011 TO 2017, THE CRASH DENSITY MAP.
THIS IS THE CURRENT MAP, EXCUSE ME, UM, HISTOGRAM OF THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS.
THIS COMES FROM THE JUDICIAL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AGAIN, THE PROJECTION OF 94 THIS YEAR DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY PERTURBATIONS THAT MIGHT OCCUR FROM A SCOPE OUT, ANY ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING ELSE GOING ON.
IT JUST SAYS A FLAT AVERAGE MULTIPLIED, UH, TO GET THAT AGAIN, WE'RE ALREADY TIED WITH 2020 WITH REGARDS TO NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS.
SO THEREFORE, UH, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE ACCIDENT RATE FAIRGROUND ROAD IN GENERAL, I THINK IS, UH, VERY IMPORTANT FOR CONSTRAINT CONSIDERATION HERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SAFETY.
I ALSO HAVE, UH, ANOTHER, ANOTHER, UH, ITEM THAT QUITE FRANKLY I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IN DETAIL, THIS IS HOW THE MASTER UTILITY UTILITY MASTER PLAN AND LOOKING AT THE DESIGNATION UP THERE AS 1001, I'M STILL DOING MORE RESEARCH INTO THAT BECAUSE, UH, IF YOU LOOK IN FURTHER INTO THE DOCUMENT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE SITUATION IS DECLARED THERE, THAT THE FAIRGROUND ROAD, UM, GRAVITY DRAIN OF THE SEWER WILL BE INCLUDED.
WE WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF CONNECTING THE SEWER.
I THINK WE MADE THAT EXPLICITLY CLEAR, BUT MAYBE WE DIDN'T BUY, UH, IN PARTICULAR, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS IN THE THIRD LINE, WE WANTED TO KEEP THE DENSITY LOW, AND WE WERE NOT OBJECTING TO ESPECIALLY WATER BEING BROUGHT IN TO SUPPORT THAT DENSITY, BUT NOT SEWER.
AND THIS IS OUT OF THE MASTER UTILITY PLAN.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE DIDN'T NOT SUPPORT, UH, THE SEWER GOING THERE TO INCREASE, UH, THE NUMBER OF DENSITY OF THE HOMES THERE, BECAUSE WE THINK IT ALREADY OVERCOMES WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING WITH THE ADDITIONAL HOMES AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK, UH, I'VE, UH, USED TO, OR ACTUALLY, NO, I DO HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES.
I'M LOOKING AT TRYING TO DO TOO MANY THINGS.
WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT YOU RECOGNIZE MY WIFE, UH, FOR HER THREE MINUTES, IF THAT'S, UH, WITHIN THE REALM OF, THANK YOU, SIR.
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TO SPEAKHI, MY NAME IS BARBARA SLOAN AND I LIVE AT 2052 MAIDENS ROAD.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE SAFETY OF FAIRGROUND ROAD.
UH, YOU SEE THE CAR THAT I WAS DRIVING, WHERE I WAS HIT HEAD ON BY AN 18 WHEELER WHO RAN INTO MY LANE ON FAIRGROUND ROAD.
UM, I SUFFERED SIGNIFICANT INJURIES.
I SUFFERED BROKEN BONES, A BROKEN NOSE, AND I HAD A MISCARRIAGE.
UM, I WOULD NOT WISH THIS ON MY WORST ENEMY.
UH, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT NO MATTER WHAT STUDY YOU HEAR, IF YOU LIVE HERE AND YOU DRIVE THESE ROADS, THERE, A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
THERE ARE TRUCKS, THERE ARE TEENAGERS, AND THERE'S A LOT OF TEXTING GOING ON.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS INCREASING WITH EACH AND EVERY DAY.
UM, WE LIVE AT THE NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF MAIDENS AND FAIRGROUND IN ANYBODY WHO LIVES HERE AND DRIVES THESE ROADS EVERY DAY WILL TELL YOU IT'S A NIGHTMARE.
IT'S BECOMING MORE OF A NIGHTMARE EVERY SINGLE DAY, THE, UH, THE CARS BACK UP DOWN, HAYDEN'S, THEY BACK UP DOWN FAIRGROUND, MAKING A LEFT TURN IS, IS HORRIBLE.
AND, UM, IT'S NOT JUST AN INCONVENIENCE.
IF YOU'VE GOT TO GO, IF YOU'VE GOT TO GET SOMEWHERE, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD, UM, RESCUE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH AT THAT TIME.
AND WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOMES COMING INTO RURAL HILL, AND OF COURSE, SWANSON ALREADY THIS DEVELOPMENT AND READ MARSH, I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO IMAGINE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY AND OUR ROADS AND THE KIDS DRIVING IT, THE ELDERLY FOLKS, DRIVING IT, AND JUST ALL OF US DRIVING THESE ROADS.
SO I, I REALLY, REALLY, UM, I SPEAK FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
THE TRAUMA NEVER GOES AWAY IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, UM, THAT I WOULD PLEASE CONSIDER THE EFFECT IT'S HAVING ON OUR RURAL COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE LIKE SHORT PUMP EVERY DAY.
AND IT'S, I THINK IT'S VERY SAD AND, UM, NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS, MORE CARS EQUAL MORE ACCIDENTS.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.
UM, I'M A LITTLE UNPREPARED FOR THE SPEECH.
I HAVE A TWO DAY NEWBORN BABY GIRL.
SO THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME, BUT I'M A LOT OF, A LOT OF Y'ALL MIGHT KNOW ME.
UM, I LIVE ON THE PROPERTY NORTH WEST OF MR. SLOAN ON THE FARM, UM, OFF OF THE GIS MAP THAT HE HAD SHARED WITH.
Y'ALL YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? MATTHEW PRICE.
I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF WITH THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
NORMALLY I LEAVE AROUND FOUR 30 IN THE MORNING TO GO TO WORK.
THEN IF YOU TRY TO MAKE A TURN AND ANYTIME BETWEEN SEVEN 30 AND NINE 30, YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT AT LEAST FIVE TO 10 MINUTES.
UM, THE SEWER THAT THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT FOR THE INCREASE IN HOUSES IS IT, I BELIEVE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GRAVITY FED.
SO I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT PUMPS IN EACH OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE GOING TO GO ON EACH OF THESE LOTS.
UM, HOW FEASIBLE IS THAT GOING TO BE? UM, FAIRGROUNDS ROAD BEING THE HOTSPOT DENSITY FAIRGROUNDS ROAD IS THE HOTSPOT OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
IF YOU WANT TO GO TO TAIL, YOU COME DOWN ROUTE SIX, GO DOWN FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
IF YOU GO DOWN WHITE HOLE, YOU GO DOWN 5 22 FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
YOU WANT TO STOP BY FOOD LINE, GET SOME GROCERIES.
UM, THE $551,000, UH, PROFFER IS CHUMP CHANGE.
IN MY OPINION, BASED OFF OF THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES THAT WE JUST GOT SIT IN THE MAIL TWO DAYS AGO.
UM, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, I DRIVE A 2018 PICKUP TRUCK WITH 170,000 MILES, AND I'M PAYING $1,200 IN PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES EVERY SIX MONTHS.
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SO THE 551 AGAIN, I THINK IS LOW-BALLING FOR THIS COUNTY, UM, URBAN SPRAWL TO RURAL AREA.UH, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT ASPECT.
I WANT GOOCHLAND TO STAY GOOCHLAND.
UM, I GREW UP IN GOOCHLAND WHEN IT WAS RURAL.
I WOULD LIKE MY DAUGHTER TO GROW UP IN THIS COUNTY AS A RURAL COUNTY.
UM, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING TO THIS COUNTY, THAT MY DAUGHTER, MY WIFE'S DAUGHTER THAT'S NOW, MY DAUGHTER HAS EXPERIENCED IN HER SCHOOLS.
THERE'S A LOT OF BULLYING GOING ON IN THE HIGH SCHOOL WHEN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, THINGS THAT I NEVER EXPERIENCED WHEN I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD.
UH, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT EXPERIENCES AND HENRICO COUNTY SCHOOLS, THREE MINUTES ARE UP.
MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS PARKER, MS. JACKSON, UM, WILLIAM PARISH AT BETTER-KNOWN IS DEPUTY PARISH.
I LIVE AT 2345 CAMELBACK ROAD, MAIDENS, VIRGINIA, 1978.
I STARTED MY CAREER AS A POLICE OFFICER IN GOOSMANN SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, HOLD LIKE DIFFERENT BACK THEN.
I'M RETIRED POLICE OFFICER NOW OF 34 YEARS.
THE TRAFFIC FAIRGROUNDS ROAD IS TREMENDOUS.
I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND SAY, I'M COMPOSED TO JUST DEVELOPMENT, READ MARSH DEVELOPMENT OR THE ELDERS DEVELOPMENTS.
YOU IS MEMBERS TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU PASS.
THESE THINGS WERE AFFECTED, HAS ON THIS COUNTY AND HOW THIS COUNTY GROWS.
I DON'T WANT TO BE IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY.
I WANT PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT YOUR, YOU DO THINGS AND YOU MAKE DECISIONS.
AND IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND I KNOW SOME MEMBERS, I KNOW MR. DUKE OVER THERE.
AND I KNOW HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE GROWTH OF THIS COUNTY.
JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND NOT SITTING HERE TRYING TO DO, MAN.
I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH TOO QUICK.
AND ONE QUESTION I HAVE TO ASK BEFORE MY MINUTES UP IS THIS PROPOSAL IN THE VILLAGE PROPOSAL, UH, THE VILLAGE PLAN IS STILL BEING DEVELOPED.
SO THE ANSWER IS NO, IT IS IN THE VILLAGE, HOWEVER, OKAY.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT CORRECT.
SO WHY ARE WE GOING TO SPEND MONEY OR DEVELOPER IS GOING TO PAY FOR WATER AND SEWAGE? HOW MUCH MORE IN STORIES WE WILL.
YOU PLEASE BRING IT OVER TO MY PLACE.
I'LL BE GLAD TO PAY FOR IT THAT I CAN DO AWAY WITH MY WELL AND MY SEPARATE TANK.
HOW MUCH MORE ARE WE GOING? YES, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS, BUT WHO IS GOING TO KEEP IT UP? THE TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO KEEP IT UP.
ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? UM, MOM, KATHY KELLY, MARRIED TO PAUL BERKEL WITH 2, 3, 6, 8 TWIN CREEKS LANE.
AND, UM, THE FEW THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD.
I'VE MOVED TO A LOT OF PLACES.
AND WHEN I GOT HERE, I WAS HOME AND, UM, I LIVE ON PROPERTY.
THAT'S NOT MAINTAINED BY ANY KIND OF COUNTY STUFF, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, I'VE GOT THE, WELL, I'VE GOT THE SUBJECT TANK.
ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD IN SOMEBODY'S THING WAS ABOUT ADDING ROOFTOPS TO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES.
BUT I WAS AT THE MEETING WHERE THAT WAS SAID, AND WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS CHICK-FIL-A AND STARBUCKS.
WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT LOCAL BUSINESSES AND IT WAS CLEAR.
THEY SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT RETAIL HERE, BUT WE'D HAVE TO ADD ROOFTOPS TO DO IT.
AND I JUST THOUGHT IN 1978, I WAS GRADUATING FROM PETERSBURG HIGH SCHOOL.
AND YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT TROUBLE IN SCHOOLS.
I HAD IT AND I CAME HERE AND I GOT HOME AND I JUST LIKE TO KEEP HOME AS BEST WE CAN.
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THANK YOU.THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPLICANT HAS RIGHT TO REBUTTAL AND I BRING MY PROPOSAL, MY PRESENTATION BY THE PATIENT, UH, GET ANDREW BROWNING, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE STOVE ROAD.
UH, I DON'T THINK MR. UH, ADAM, MR. MORRIS IS BEING CONSISTENT.
UH, IF WE COULD NOT HAVE A STEP ROAD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE OUR PREMISE, BUT AS REQUIRED UNDER THE VITTA SECONDARY STREET ACCEPTANCE REQUIREMENTS, WE, WE NEED A STUB ROAD.
UM, THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE WHERE WE HAD STUBBED THE ROAD, UH, TO MR. PRICE'S PROPERTY.
AND THAT SEEMED TO BE AN ACCEPTABLE AND THOUGHT.
MAYBE WE HAD FIGURED THAT PROBLEM OUT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD HOPED TO DO THAT.
SEPARATING THIS PROP PROPERTY FROM MR. PRICES IS A CREEK, AND THERE'S A PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD TOPOGRAPHIC CHANGE FROM THAT COL-DE-SAC DOWN TO THE CREEK AND THEN BACK UP INTO MR. PRICE'S PROPERTY.
SO THE CONCERN WAS, WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS STOP THE ROAD ABOUT WHERE IT IS AND JUST DEDICATE A RIGHT OF WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND LEAVE IT WOULD IT, AND IF EVER THE ROAD EXTENDED EXTENDED.
SO IN PREVIOUS, UH, DEVELOPMENTS, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH
AND THEY REQUIRED US TO BUILD THAT ROAD AS CLOSE AS WE PHYSICALLY COULD PHYSICALLY COULD TO THE PROPERTY LINE OR PUT SOME TYPE OF BOND IN PLACE OR SOMETHING THEY WANTED THE ROAD BUILT TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY ON.
SO MY CONCERN WAS HOW WOULD WE, HOW CAN I GET ACROSS THAT CREEK AND PUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND STAY ON OUR PROPERTY AND BUILD IT UP THROUGH THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO, UH, BOTH MR. GREENBAUM AND MYSELF HAD A REALLY HARD TIME PINNING MR. MOORE DOWN AND ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.
AND IN, IN LOOKING AT THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAD, HE'S LIKE, WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A GREAT SPOT.
YOU KNOW, THAT CREEK IS THERE DOES ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURE.
THAT'S NOT A GOOD SPOT TO STOP THE ROAD.
YOU NEED TO STOP THE MIDDLE ROAD TO THE NORTH.
SO, YOU KNOW, HE PRETTY MUCH GUIDED US AND TOLD US THE ROAD THAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT IS THE ROAD, WHICH AT THE TIME WAS ROAD B, WHICH MAYBE IS ON THAT PLAN TO, TO MR. SLOAN.
SO, LIKE I SAID, WE WE'VE GONE A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO STOP THE ROAD.
AND IF WE COULD GET AWAY WITH NOT STOPPING IT, WE WOULD DO THAT TOO.
BUT TO GET THE ROADS ACCEPTED BY VEDA, WE HAVE TO HAVE A STUB ROAD.
WHY IS THAT? SO THAT'S PART OF THEIR EVIDENCE REQUIREMENTS AND THEY IT'S FOR CONNECTIVITY.
AND SO IN V THAT'S MINE, THAT'S AN UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF PROPERTY.
ONE DAY THAT ROAD, IF, IF IT WERE EVER DEVELOPED, THE PROPERTY WOULD EXTEND OVER TO MEETINGS AND MAYBE THAT WOULD OFFSET THE INTERSECTION OF FAIRGROUNDS AND MAIDEN.
IF THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT, THERE WAS A WAY TO GET AROUND.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DIVERT TRAFFIC THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT IN V DOTS, MINE OF ROAD IS A ROAD WE'RE PAYING FOR A ROAD.
WE WANT TO SEND THE TRAFFIC WHEREVER WE CAN TO GET IT THROUGH, TO REDUCE TRAFFIC AT A PROBLEM OR ACCIDENT.
UM, WE EVEN MENTIONED THAT MAYBE MR. SLOAN WAS CONSIDERING SOME TYPE OF CONSERVATION EASEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT WOULD NEVER GO ANYWHERE.
AND THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO SWAY HIM.
UM, THE, UH, AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC AT, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION, UH, AT TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE.
UH, LIKE I SAID, WE UPDATED A COUPLE OF TIMES AND WHAT, WHAT IT REVEALS IS AT THE, AT THE TURN MOTIONS, UH, THE LONGEST TURN MOTION IS AS IN THE PM HOUR IS WHEN THE TRAP TRYING TO GET ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD IS THE, IS THE, IS THE TOUGHEST, THERE IS A, THERE'S A MOVEMENT IF YOU'RE TURNING IT COMING NORTHBOUND ON MAIDENS, TRYING TO TAKE A LEFT ON FAIRGROUNDS, THE TIME TO GET THROUGH THE QUEUE.
SO JUST TO GET PULLED UP TO THE INTERSECTION AND THEN MAKE YOUR WAY ALL THE WAY THROUGH IS 46 SECONDS.
SO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S LONG, I GET IT.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE SITTING IN THE CAR, IF YOU SIT THERE AND YOUR BED OR A STOPLIGHT, AND YOU THINK, MAN, I'VE BEEN HERE 10 MINUTES, WELL, REALLY, REALLY LOOK AT THE TIME AND SEE HOW LONG IT TOOK.
AND SO THIS IS A KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION.
MR. TREWITT IS A, IS A VERY NICE MAN, A VERY GOOD NEIGHBOR.
UM, I THINK WE'VE JUST BEEN TRYING TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS AS THEY'VE COME TO US.
HE'S OPEN TO DOING OTHER THINGS WITH THIS PROPERTY, REDUCING DENSITY, YOU KNOW, TO ONE OF THE OTHER LAYOUTS.
UH, I THINK HE'S JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHAT WE DO CUT.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE PROPOSE ONE THING AND, YOU KNOW, STAFF WANTED US TO CONNECT TO SEWER AND WATER.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS MEETS THE 40 LOTS MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I OUTLINED THAT THAT'S MY BELIEF IT'S WITHIN THE VILLAGE UTILITIES ARE THERE, THAT'S WHERE THE GROSS SHOULD BE IN THE COUNTY, KEEP IT IN THE VILLAGE, KEEP IT OUT OF THE RURAL AREAS.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PURVIEW OF THE COMMISSION OR THE BOARD TO, TO BACK DOWN AND, AND, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THE LOT, SOME, I THINK HE'S OPEN TO THAT SUGGESTION.
HE ASKED ME TO SAY THAT, AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK HE'S REALLY TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE PEOPLE HERE.
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A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN SOME OTHER DEVELOPERS.AND HE'S, HE'S, HE'S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BUT ALSO BE A GOOD STEWARD TO THE, THE LLC THAT HE'S BEEN PUT IN CHARGE OF WHAT IS THE THREAT OF THE STUB.
I MEAN, IF IT GOES TO A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY SOMEONE WHO WHO'D RATHER NOT HAVE IT THERE, BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY OUT IN HIS PROPERTY YET.
SO WHEN WE CAN'T GET ON YOUR PROPERTY, WE COULDN'T GET ON HIS PROPERTY.
WE WOULD STOP THE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND WE WOULD JUST BUILD AS CLOSE AS WE COULD GET THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
AND WE STILL COULD NOT GRADE CLEAR DO ANYTHING ON ANYBODY'S PROPERTY.
SO, AND IF I WERE TO CUT, SO IN THE FUTURE, IF MR. SLOAN WERE TO COME IN AND HE DECIDED, OR SOMEONE DECIDED TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, IF THERE IS A STUB TO THE PROPERTY, HE WOULD HAVE TO CONNECT TO IT.
SO BY MAKING PROPERTY, OWNERS ARE MAKING DEVELOPERS STEP ROADS THROUGH OTHER DIRECTIONS.
THEN IF THE NEXT PROPERTY COMES ALONG AND THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO CONNECT TO THAT ROAD TO EXTEND IT.
BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO NOTHING AND KEEP THE PROPERTY AS HE'S HAD WAY, IT IS, IT DOES NOT.
I DON'T THINK EMINENT DOMAIN IS GOING TO COME IN AND TAKE PRIDE AWAY FOR A ROAD BACK TO FAIRGROUNDS.
I KEPT, I CAN NEVER SEE THAT HAPPENING.
SO YES, THERE'S, AS LONG AS HE, IF HE NEVER DOES ANYTHING WITH THE PROPERTY, THERE WILL NEVER BE A ROAD.
WELL, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE V DOT CHOOSES NOT TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE HAVE, ARE NOT HERE TO, TO DESIGN THE PROJECT.
WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS IT AND VOTE ON IT AS IT'S PRESENTED.
AND WHETHER IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, 40 LOTS OR 20 LOTS OR TWO LOTS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
THAT'S NOT OUR, THAT'S NOT OUR PRAIRIE.
UM, THAT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY I READ PROFFERS, THERE'S VERY LITTLE VEGETATION IN THE RIGHT AWAY ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
IT'S MOSTLY BEEN CLEAR, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE PLANTED, WHICH IS ALWAYS A, UH, AN ISSUE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE OF FAIRGROUNDS IS.
I DOUBT IF ANY OF US REALLY KNOW WHEN THEY GO TO, I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TURNED DOWN OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY WHERE WE FELT LIKE THAT THEY VERSUS THE DOLLAR GENERAL STORE A COUPLE OF SESSIONS AGO BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC AND THE LOCATION, WASN'T A, WE FELT LIKE A REAL SAFETY ISSUE.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHEN I HAD TO TELL SOMEBODY WHAT HE CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH THIS PROPERTY, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD MAKE, BE REASONABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY IS IN THE AREA, UM, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE NEIGHBORS AND THE COUNTY.
HOW THIS GO PROCEED RIGHT NOW.
I'M NOT REALLY TOTALLY CONVINCED THIS IS THE BEST USE OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT UP TO US TO TELL ANYBODY WHAT TO DO, UH, TO, TO DISTRICT REDISTRICT THEIR PROPERTY.
AND IT'S BEAT OUT AS ITS OWN ENTITY.
THE COUNTY REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY PURVIEW OVER BITA.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
UM, SO LIKE MR. RETRO, HE SAID, WE HEARD ABOUT THEM.
I MEAN, GROWTH IS RAMPANT OVER THE EVERYWHERE IN GOOCHLAND, OTHER COUNTIES, IT'S BEST HOW WE DEAL WITH IT.
UM, THERE ARE PEOPLE TEXTING AND PHONING AND DRINKING AND EATING IN THEIR CARS EVERYWHERE, NOT JUST UNFAIR GROUND ROAD, UM, NOT TO BE IN POLITE, BUT THAT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE.
UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN LEGISLATE AGAINST THAT.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
UM, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO EITHER VOTE OR DEFER AND GENTLEMEN, I WOULD REMIND YOU ABOUT THE WAIVER OF THE TIME LIMIT REQUIRES A MOTION AND A VOTE FOR THE PROFFERS REVISE PROFFERS.
THE PROPER THAT WE GOT TONIGHT REQUIRES A WAIVER OF THE TIME LIMIT BECAUSE IT WAS RECEIVED AFTER THE DEADLINE.
SO SHE SAYING TO TAKE TWO VOTES, UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO DIFFER, I GUESS YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WELL, YOU KNOW, THE REASON WE, THE REASON WE
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ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE IS SO THAT, UM, THE SUMMARY ON THE NEIGHBORS CAN GET AN IDEA ABOUT WHAT IMPACT THE NEW PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE ON THEIR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO, TO PROTECT THEIR PEACE AND FREE AND QUALITY.BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER RULES OF THE PROJECT ARE, HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS AS WELL.
AND WE SORT OF WALK A FINE LINE BETWEEN, UM, MAKING SURE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR RIGHTS.
AND, UM, A LOT OF THESE CASES SORT OF, UM, PRESENTED A PROBLEM FOR US BECAUSE, UM, EVERYBODY'S RIGHT.
CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY, UM, THE, UM, THERE ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC ON, THEY ARE, I WAS RUDE.
I FORGOT WHAT I WROTE A LATIN, UM, CERTAIN TIMES A DAY.
IT'S ALL, IT ALL GETS REALLY BAD.
BUT, UM, IF THE POWERS THAT BE A V THAT SAY THAT THE TRAFFIC IS NO PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, WHO DO YOU BELIEVE YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU AS, AND YOU BELIEVE V THAT, UM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES.
THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT, OH, IT IS DIFFICULT TO, UH, TO, TO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND, AND HAVE BEEN THERE YOUR WHOLE LIFE AND SEE PROPERTIES DEVELOPED.
UM, BUT IT'S, UH, IT IS THE PROPERTY OWNERS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT THE PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE FAIRGROUNDS ROUTES SAFE, CORRECT.
THAT IS GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY, WHETHER IT'S READOUT OR WHO IT IS, UM, STUB ROAD, I DON'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT, UH, HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE SLIM PROPERTY PRICE PROPERTY, UM, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT.
AND I CAN'T SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE OTHER THAN IT'S THERE.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT EITHER OF THOSE PROPERTIES UNTIL YOU CHANGED THE USE OF YOUR PRODUCT.
UM, THE IN CONSTRUCTION AND THE DEVELOPER HAS TO, UH, THE COST OF BRINGING IN NEW WATER AND SEWER IS, IS, IS HAVING TO BE OFFSET BY THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE CREDIT AMOUNT OF HOMES THAT IT WILL BE PUT ON THERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDABLE.
UM, EACH TIME SOMETHING WAS CHANGED.
THE LOT NUMBERS WENT UP WITH THAT WAS TO OFFSET THE COSTS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE OWNER IS SOMEWHAT ACCEPTABLE TO, TO MAYBE CHANGING THAT IF, IF THE COST WERE TO CHANGE, BUT IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE, WE ASK ALL THE TIME FOR THESE STUB ROUTES FOR, OR ALL THESE OTHER THINGS TO BE PUT IN PLACE FOR FUTURE USE.
AND AT THE CURRENT OWNER'S EXPENSE, UH, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO, I FEEL TO RECOVER THIS EXPENSE FROM THE, AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO EITHER RUN THE COST OF THE LOTS UP WHERE THEY CAN'T SELL THEM OR HAVE MORE LINES.
UM, DEVELOPMENT IS INEVITABLE.
WE KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING, YOU KNOW, IN A VILLAGE PLAN, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN A SMALLER AREA, SO THAT, AND GRANTED THOSE OF US WHO LIVE NEXT TO THEM DON'T WANT THEM, UH, NECESSARILY RIGHT NEXT TO US.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, IN MY 52 YEARS I'VE GAINED LOTS OF NEIGHBORS THAT I, I SURE LIKE HAVING AS NEIGHBORS.
SO, UH, I CERTAINLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FEAR OF, OF IT IS IT MAY BE MUCH WORSE THAN ACTUALLY HAVING, UM, THOSE WHO HAVEN'T LIVED HERE, ALL THEIR LIVES.
YOU KNOW, UH, YOU MOVED HERE IN THE MEANTIME, UH, AND I'M NOT HOLDING THAT AGAINST YOU.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DEVELOP LOTS, UH, PEOPLE COME FROM SOMEWHERE TO LIVE THERE AND, UH, WE SHOULD BE THANKFUL THAT PEOPLE WANT TO COME LIVE WITH US AND WE SHOULD BE STEWARDS OF THAT AND TRY TO DO IT AS GOOD AS POSSIBLE.
THEY'RE GIVEN LOTS OF, UH, OPEN SPACE, UH, WHICH WAS 36% OF THE PROPERTY IS BEING LEFT IN OPEN SPACE.
I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT, THAT'S A COMMITMENT OUT OF, OUT OF SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT, THAT, UH, THEY DIDN'T ADJUST BY IT TO DEVELOP IT.
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST PROPERTIES, BUT THEN BACON ALL MY LIFE.
I MEAN, NOT BRITAIN BOUGHT ALL MY LIFE.
SO I, I JUST, I THINK THAT WHEN, WHEN FOLKS WERE TRYING TO DO AS GOOD A JOB AS THEY CAN WITH WHAT THEY HAVE,
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UH, I FIND IT HARD TO VOTE AGAINST THAT.I MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS WOULD BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED WITH THE, UH, WHAT DO WE DO WITH A PROSPER WE'RE FIRST WE'D NEED TO MAKE A MOTION AND A VOTE TO ACCEPT THE WAIVER OF THE TIME LIMIT ON THE PROPER.
AND THAT PROPER WAS AN INCREASED BENEFIT.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THE COUNTY ASKS.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS A DECREASE IN ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING, SO THAT CERTAINLY I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE WAIVER.
SO THE MOTION TO WAIVE THE TIME LIMIT IS APPROVED.
WELL, MR. MYERS, DID YOU VOTE? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
SO NOW WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH THE WAVE.
WE APPROVE IT AS PRESENTED WITH THE WAVE MOTION MADE IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION OR A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR.
MS. PARKER, COULD YOU JUST PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL? ABSOLUTELY.
I'M GOING TO RELUCTANTLY SAY NO.
SO WE DO HAVE A TIBO I BELIEVE THAT MEANS IT WILL BE CARRIED OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING.
AND OUR NEXT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS JUNE THE SECOND SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, SO AS A TIE VOTE, IT WILL COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE RE-EVALUATED ON JUNE THE SECOND, WHICH IS OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW IS A GOOD TIME FOR A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
FOR THOSE OF YOU GOING TO STICK AROUND FOR THE NEXT CASES.
COME BACK IN 10 MINUTES, PLEASE.
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YES,[02:02:14]
SIR.I THINK WE MOVED TO NUMBER FOUR ON OUR, OUR NEXT ITEM, UH, IS IN DISTRICT FIVE, OUR Z 20 22 0 0 0 0 2 APPLICATION BY TRUSTEES
[3. District 5 - RZ-2022-00002 - Application by Trustees of Presbytery of the James,]
OF PRESBYTERY OF THE JAMES INC.REQUESTING A REZONING OF 5.98 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL GENERAL, R THREE TO BUSINESS GENERAL
I DID WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT YOU DO HAVE REVISED PROFFERS, WHICH WERE RECEIVED AFTER THE DEADLINE FOR THIS CASE AS WELL.
COPIES ARE BEFORE YOU ON THE DIAS.
UH, WE'RE WELCOME TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, BUT WE WILL NEED A MOTION AND A VOTE TO WAIVE THE DEADLINE FOR THESE AS WELL.
IT WAS A MOMENT TO LOCATE THIS.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS BEFORE I STARTED MY PRESENTATION.
UH, THEY, THEY MADE A CHANGE TO ONE PROFFER.
THEY ADDED TO THE LIST OF PROHIBITED USES, UH, NUMBER FOUR.
MS. BARKER CAN REMEMBER COMMISSION TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, AS MS. PARKER INDICATED THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION, 600 ACRES, UH, TO REZONE SOME RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY TO A BUSINESS ZONING TO ALLOW LANDSCAPING SUPPLY BUSINESS, UH, WITH AN OFFICE BUILDING AND OUTSIDE STORAGE.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTH EASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
UM, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED R THREE.
UM, THERE ARE, ARE THREE ZONE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST OF THE WEST TO THE SOUTH IS AGRICULTURALLY, UH, THE IS SOME INDUSTRIAL ZONING AND RELATIVELY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE WEST.
UM, IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE NANCE CORPORATION AND TO THE NORTH ACROSS THE PASSION AVENUE, UH, WHICH ASSOCIATED WITH WEST CREEK BUSINESS PARK.
UM, AND THIS IS LOCATED REALLY THE SOUTHWEST, LITERALLY IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF PATTERSON AVENUE AND ROUTE 2 88.
UM, IT'S LOCATED ALONG A FRONTAGE.
A FRONTAGE ROAD IS RIGHT AWAY.
THAT'S LOCATED WITHIN LIKE AN INTERSTATE OR A LIMITED ACCESS HIGHWAY IN THIS CASE 2 88, BUT IT DOES NOT PROVIDE ACCESS TO THAT HIGHWAY.
UM, SO IT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A FRONTAGE ROAD TO PASS AN AVENUE AND TO ROUTE 2 88 ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS RECOMMENDED FOR A SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT,
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UM, PROPERTIES TO REALLY THE EAST, WEST AND SOUTH, UM, HAVE A RECREATION OPEN SPACE RECOMMENDATION THAT'S ASSOCIATED TO, UM, BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ABOUT ST CATHERINE'S SCHOOL ST CATHERINE'S DOES HAVE SOME ATHLETIC FACILITIES TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE THAT ARE REALLY ORIENTED MORE TOWARDS, UM, RIVER.AND I'M LOOKING AT THE ERA PHOTO.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, THE AREA, UH, IS PREDOMINANTLY REALLY UNDEVELOPED OR MINIMALLY DEVELOPED, BUT THERE IS SOME DEVELOPMENT ACROSS PASSING AVENUE, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH CREEK MORE.
UM, I'LL I WILL HIGHLIGHT ONE AREA.
DOES IT SHOW UP ON THE MAP DIRECT TO YOUR PRESENTATION RIGHT THERE THAT IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR AN OFFICE, UM, DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S NOT REFLECTED ON THE AIR PHOTO.
YOU JUST HEAR THE WEST OF THAT.
THE NANCE CORPORATION AGAIN, IS THIS AREA.
IT DOES HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING AREA.
UM, LET'S MENTION THAT THE PROPOSAL IS FOR LARGE TREE LLC.
THEY PROPOSING TO RELOCATE AN EXISTING LANDSCAPING SUPPLY OPERATION TO THIS LOCATION.
UM, THAT NEW STRUCTURES WOULD INCLUDE, OR, UH, THE NEW USES WOULD INCLUDE A NEW OFFICE AND SHOP BUILDING THAT'S ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET, OR THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE STORAGE BINS FOR MATERIALS.
THEY WOULD HAVE SOME ABOVE GROUND FUEL STORAGE FOR COMPANY VEHICLES, AND THEY WOULD HAVE STOCK PILES OF LANDSCAPING MATERIALS THAT WOULD BE LIMITED TO 20 FEET IN HEIGHT.
UM, AS PART OF THEIR OPERATION, THEY WOULD HAVE SOME LARGE TRUCKS THAT WOULD DELIVER LANDSCAPING MATERIALS, UM, LIKE MOLT, SAND, UM, TOP SOIL AND SO FORTH.
UH, THEY INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ONE TO TWO DELIVERIES A WEEK.
UM, COMPANY OPERATED TRUCKS AND TRAILERS WOULD, UH, ARRIVE TO THE SITE AND THEY USE WOULD LOAD MATERIALS AND TRANSPORT THEM TO THE JOB SITES.
UM, THIS OPERATION WOULD NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
IT WOULD ONLY BE OPEN TO THE OPERATIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPANY EMPLOYEES, UM, WITH THE
THERE ARE SOME USE STANDARDS THAT ARE STILL ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO THE OUTSIDE STORAGE.
UM, I'VE SORT OF SUMMARIZED THEM AND JUST GIVE YOU A SUMMARY, UH, FOR THE OUTSET STORES, THE, THE USE STANDARDS HAVE SOME PRETTY STRICT, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SCREENING.
IT DOES REQUIRE THEM TO BE DISCREET BY OPAQUE SCREEN, AND IT REQUIRES THAT A, THAT PERMANENT SCREENING IS PROVIDED TO HIDE THE ITEMS FROM VIEW.
THAT'S A PRETTY HIGH STANDARD FOR SCREENING THE OUTDOOR MATERIAL, OUTDOOR MATERIALS.
UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UM, CLOSE PROXIMITY TO
UM, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT THEY PROVIDED THE BLUE HIGHLIGHTS.
I ADDED JUST TO SORT OF EMPHASIZE WHERE THE ROADS ARE.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS ON THIS.
YOU WILL NOTE WHERE THEIR STRUCTURES ARE LOCATED.
UM, THAT INCLUDES SOME STORAGE BALE BINS AND SOME OFFICE BUILDING THAT THERE'S SOME ELEVATIONS FOR KIND OF WHERE THEY'RE PARKING AREAS, THEIR OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA.
UM, THEY DO HAVE A 50 FOOT BUFFER, UM, AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
THESE ARE ELEVATIONS THAT THEY PROVIDED, UH, WITH THEIR APPLICATION.
UM, STAFF DOES HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THIS APPLICATION.
UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE CONFERENCE OF PLANS, RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION FOR THE PROPERTY.
STAFF IS CONCERNED THAT THE OUTSIDE STORAGE IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, UH, PASSION AVENUE AND ROUTE 2 88.
UM, UH, WHILE THERE ARE DEFINITELY ELEMENTS THAT WILL DEMONSTRATE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE, UM, A BUFFER, INCLUDING PROVIDING AN OPAQUE, UM, OFFENSE, AND TO PROVIDE A 50 FOOT BUFFER, THERE'S STILL THAT, BUT HE STILL HASN'T DEMONSTRATED THAT IT'S GOING TO MEET THAT HIGH STANDARD OF SCREENING.
UM, THE STOCKPILES, ESPECIALLY FROM THE PUBLIC ROADS FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD TODAY AND PASSION AVENUE, AND WHILE THE, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OBJECTIONABLE USES THAT ARE RESTRICTED OR PROHIBITED, UM, ESPECIALLY IN CONSIDERATION THAT THIS IS NOT CAUSE WITH COMPETENT PLAN, IF IT WAS STRICTLY LIMITED TO ONLY THE LANDSCAPING BUSINESS THAT WOULD LIMIT THE POTENTIAL VARIANTS FROM THE COMPOUND DESIGNATION NOW AND INTO THE FUTURE, JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC.
UM, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE 23 VEHICLES, UH, 300 TRUCKS PER OR 300 VEHICLES PRE-SITE, UM, EACH DAY, BUT THERE'S NO LIMIT.
THAT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT LIMITED TO THAT.
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THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT COULD BE THERE.UH, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE AN AUTO TURN DIAGRAM, UM, WITH STAFF BELIEVES THAT MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE ARRIVING FROM THE EAST, WHICH WOULD NECESSITATE A U-TURN, UM, AT THE MEDIAN BREAK THERE, WHICH IS ACROSS FROM CREEK ROAD.
UM, AND THE, THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONCERN FROM THE CITIZENS IN THE PAST BECAUSE OF THE, WHERE THAT'S LOCATED.
IT'S THE CLOSEST MEDIAN BREAK, UM, TO ROUTE 2 88.
UM, SO THE, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONCERNS RAISED WITH OTHER APPLICATIONS FROM CITIZENS ABOUT THAT WITH THE AUTO TURN DIAGRAM THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENTED PRESENTED.
IT JUST, IT DEMONSTRATED THAT THE, THE SEMI'S COULD NOT MAKE THE TURN AND STAY WITHIN THE TRAVEL LANES.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST A CONCERN WITH, UH, THE TRUCKS UTILIZING THIS MEDIA AND, AND UTILIZING THEIR ENTRANCE, UH, GETTING TO THE PROFFERS.
I WILL TAKE A MOMENT TO GO OVER THE PROFFERS THAT THEY PRESENTED THE FIRST ONE WOULD, UM, WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO ADHERE TO THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UH, THAT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER.
UM, I DID NOT MENTION THIS SITE, MOST OF THE SITE, ISN'T THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, UH, WHICH WOULD GOVERN ANY AESTHETICS.
UM, THE RELATED TO THE SIGNING OF THAT INCLUDED LIGHTING, UM, LANDSCAPING, BUILDING MATERIALS, ARCHITECTURE, SIGNAGE, AND SO FORTH.
THEY DID A PROFFER THAT THE ENTIRE SITE WOULD BE REGULATED BY THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR OVERLAY, UM, STANDARDS, UM, WITH THE MATERIALS THEY DID PROFFER, UM, UH, UH, MATERIALS FOR THE, THE MAIN BUILDING.
UM, JUST, UH, STAFF HAD A COMMENT THAT, UM, WITH REGARD TO THESE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE STRUCTURES WOULD BE REGULATED BY THE LATE DISTRICT, AS IT RELATES TO BILLING MATERIALS AND ARCHITECTURE AND SO FORTH.
UM, WHAT, UM, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED HERE ATTEMPTED HIGHLIGHT IN YELLOW WHERE THE CHANGES, UM, THE APPLICANT DID, UM, ADD TO THE LIST OF PROHIBITED USES, OBJECTION TO USES.
THOSE ARE SHOWN HERE IN YELLOW, UH, WITH NUMBER FIVE, THEY DID LIMIT THE HEIGHT OF ANY OF THOSE, UM, UH, STOCKPILES TO 20 FEET AS IT RELATES TO THE SCREENING.
UH, NUMBER SIX, THEY ESSENTIALLY DID.
THIS DOES REQUIRE THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
UM, AND THEY BASICALLY SAID THEY WOULD RETAIN LANDSCAPING WITHIN THAT.
UM, AND WHILE THE 50 FOOT BUFFER IS, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE COULD SAY THAT THAT DOES EXCEED THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DISTRICT.
UM, IT STILL DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF DEMONSTRATING THAT IT'S, THAT THAT IS PROVIDING THAT OPAQUE SCREEN.
AND IT RELATED TO THAT NUMBER SEVEN, THEY ARE PROVIDING AN OPAQUE FENCE, UM, THEY'LL PAY FENCE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A HEIGHT ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE WOULD SEE A FENCE AND THE SIX OR SEVEN FOOT RANGE, UM, BUT THERE'S NO COMMITMENT TO A HEIGHT HERE, BUT WHATEVER THE HEIGHT OF THAT OPAQUE FENCE IS CERTAINLY AGAIN, PROVIDING SOME OPAQUENESS, BUT NOT MEETING THAT HIGH STANDARD OF SCREENING, EVERYTHING FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RABBITS.
UM, THEY DID COMMIT WITH NUMBER EIGHT, IF THEY HAVE ANY FREE STANDING SIGNS, THAT IT WOULD BE A GRAND MAL GROUND MOUNTED, MONOLITHIC STYLE SIGN, UH, WITH NUMBER NINE, THEY, THEY DO LIMIT THE MATERIALS THAT COULD BE STORED OUTSIDE, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT THAT ARE RELATED TO THE BUSINESS.
UM, THE STOCK PILES OF MATERIALS THAT WERE RELATED TO THE BUSINESS, AND ALSO SOME THE ABOVE GROUND STORAGE TANKS, UM, FOR COMPANY USE FOR COMPANY VEHICULAR USE, UH, NUMBER 10 CONFIRMS THAT CONCERNS TO TRANSFER, LEASE TO THE PROPERTY.
AND NUMBER 11, JUST AS A LEGAL APPLIANCE WITH ALL COUNTY STATE FEDERAL LAWS, WHICH THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO WITH, OR WITHOUT THE PROPHET.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, THE COLEMAN, WHAT IS THE NEAREST SISTER TO THIS PROPERTY? I'M TRYING TO THINK IN MY HEAD, BUT I CAN'T VISUALIZE UM, I WAS GOING TO DO, IF I COULD DIRECT YOUR, UH, TENSION, UM, THIS IS WHERE THE PROPERTY OUTLINED RED AND YOU KIND OF SEE CREEK.
I WAS TRYING TO VISUALIZE WHAT THE CLOSEST HOUSES WERE AND, UM, THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL ZONING, BUT, UM, IT DIDN'T UNUSUAL FOR SAMANTHA TO BUILD A HOUSE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE AT THE EGRESS OF A MAJOR HIGHWAY.
I WOULD SAY THAT THEY HAVE SUFFICIENT ACREAGE, UM, AND THE ZONING TO BUILD A STRUCTURE FOR THAT SITE.
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SURE.THERE'S NO NEARBY HOUSES ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UM, THE CLOSEST ONES WOULD BE CATHERINE'S, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME DWELLINGS OVER HERE ON THE SIDE OF PASH, AND THEN THAT'S AN AVENUE.
I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE CLOSEST ONES WERE DANCES.
SO THAT'S THE CLOSEST, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ST CATHERINE'S RECREATION OPEN SPACE.
SO THEY'RE NOT BOTHERING ANYBODY.
THERE ARE NOT MANY STRUCTURES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
ON THE SIDE OF HOUSE, WHERE'S THIS BUSINESS LOCATED NOW I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT DETAILS ON THAT, UM, REGARDING THE TURN LANE, IF FOR SOME REASON THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE, THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO GO UP TO A RIVER ROAD IN FRONT OF THE, I MEAN, IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD.
SO I GUESS, UM, I WOULD, I CA I DO NOT KNOW A SITUATION WHERE THAT WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE.
BUT JUST BE CLEAR IF THERE WERE OTHER ALTERNATIVES I COULD DEFER TO THEM.
UM, I THINK ONE HOCKET ROAD WAS MENTIONED, BUT I THINK HOCKETT ROAD IS REALLY A SECONDARY PARTS OF IT ARE RURAL ROAD.
UM, I THINK IF SOMEONE WAS HEADING NORTH AND HAD HAD THE SHRIMP UP AREA TODAY, ESPECIALLY IN A NON PEAK HOUR TO DATE WOULD BE A PREFERABLE ROAD TO LIKE A HACKER ROAD.
UM, BUT I GUESS YOU USE YOUR IMAGINATION.
ANY PUBLIC ROAD COULD BE UTILIZED TO GET TO THIS.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK OF THE NEXT U-TURN.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE RICHMOND COUNTRY CLUB IN SCREEN AND REQUIRED FOR OTHER SIMILAR BUSINESSES AND COUNTED AND HAVE STOCKPILES OF ALL THAT KIND OF MATERIAL.
UM, TYPICALLY OUTDOOR OUTDOOR STORAGE DOES HAVE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, TYPICALLY OUT SORT OF STORAGE IS GOING TO EITHER BE AN, UH, AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT OR IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A USE PERMIT.
SO THEY WERE KIND OF EITHER IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
UM, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, OR IF IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE'RE REALLY ZEROING IN AND THE COUNTY CAN IMPOSE CERTAIN CONDITIONS WITH THE CDP IN THIS SITUATION, SINCE THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE IS NOT IN CHARACTER, REALLY WITH OTHER BUSINESS USES, THERE REALLY ARE SOME REALLY HIGH STANDARDS FOR THAT OUTSOURCE STORAGE BECAUSE OF THE, TO, TO ALLOW IT, UM, IN THE, IN THE BUSINESS DISTRICT.
OH, AND IF THIS IS APPROVED WHERE THEY'RE IN THIS ADDITIONAL PROFFER, THEY'RE LIMITING, THEY WERE NOT ALL ALFIE'S BUSINESS.
SO THAT'S PROHIBITED, BUT THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITH THIS ZONING DISTRICT.
WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED BY, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT WHERE WE'RE REZONING THE PROPERTY, NOT JUST ALLOWING A LANDSCAPE SUPPLY BUSINESS.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU ARE APPROVING THE ZONING.
YOU'RE ALSO APPROVING THE OTHER PROFITS.
YOU WOULD, THE, THE, THE 50 FOOT BUFFER THERE'S OTHER REQUIREMENTS WENT OVER, WOULD GO WITH THE SANDIA.
AND THEY WERE, THEY, THEY WERE SAYING TWO TRUCKS PER WEEK DELIVERING THEIR, THE WAY THEY'VE EXPLAINED IT, UM, IN THEIR APPLICATION WAS TH THE, THE SEMI-TRUCK IS THE LARGEST TRUCK, THE LARGER TRUCK.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE TO TWO DELIVERIES PER WEEK.
UM, THEIR COMPANY TRUCKS WOULD TYPICALLY BE SMALLER, COULD BE PICKUP TRUCKS AND TRAILERS.
THOSE WOULD BE THE SMALLER TRUCKS WOULD BE 20, 23.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? THEY, THEY, THEY SAID ABOUT 23 THAT COULD ALSO INCLUDE, UM, THAT CAN INCLUDE EMPLOYEES IN THE OFFICE SPELLED, RIGHT.
THE REASON WHY WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, I'M SORRY.
IF THE REASONING WAS APPROVED, WHAT WOULD BE THE WORST THING THAT COULD, THEY COULD HAPPEN DOWN BY? RIGHT.
I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK WITH, I HAVE TO HAVE TO TAKE A PEEK AT THE ORDINANCE AND DECIDE WHAT I THINK IS THE WORST.
WOULD IT BE, WOULD IT BE AT AN ADULT BUSINESS NIGHTCLUB BREW PUB NOW, BUT ALL OF THOSE ARE DISALLOWED.
SO THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE, NOT ON THAT LIST.
WELL, THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, A LARGE TREE LLC.
UM, LARGE TREE LLC IS OWNED BY THE OWNER ADDRESS PLEASE.
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OH, 2100 EAST CARY STREET, RICHMOND.UM, LARGE TREE LLC IS OWNED BY THE SAME OWNERS OF GREEN SIDE UP LANDSCAPING.
IT IS A BUSINESS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN HANOVER, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO LOCATE TO GOOCHLAND.
THE REASON THEY WANT TO BE CLOSER TO THEIR CUSTOMERS, UH, PROVIDES A MORE EFFICIENT OPERATION FOR THEM, AND ALSO GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO ELIMINATE UNCONDITIONAL OR THREE.
AS YOU KNOW, TRIPLEXES CAN BE LOCATED HERE WITH THIS USE.
YOU WILL HAVE A REDUCTION IN TRIPS THAT ARE GENERATED FROM THIS PROPERTY BY 80%, YOU WILL ALSO GIVE YOURSELF AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN A NEW BUSINESS, TO EXPAND THE COUNTY'S COMMERCIAL TAX BASE WITH A WELL SCREENED, LOW INTENSE COMMERCIAL USE.
WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH ST CATHERINE'S.
UM, THE REASON FOR THE CHANGES TODAY WAS THAT THEY DID REQUEST SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, PROHIBITED USE.
YOU WILL NOTICE THAT MOST OF THESE PROHIBITED USES ARE ONES THAT REQUIRE A CUP.
WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT WHEN TALKING TO THEM, WE HAD A CONVERSATIONS.
IF WE HAD TO COME THROUGH A CUP AND COME BACK THROUGH A REZONING, THEY'D PARTICIPATE, THEY CAME BACK TO US AND JUST SAID, HEY, WE JUST WANT TO TAKE THEM OFF THE TABLE.
UM, UM, I THOUGHT, UH, TOM DID A VERY GOOD JOB, UM, RUNNING THROUGH THESE, I'M GOING TO KIND OF FLIP THROUGH THESE QUICKLY.
SO USE MY TIME EFFICIENTLY, UH, WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE ANY ADDITIONAL TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
UM, AS TOM MENTIONED, WE WILL APPLY, UH, THE OVERLAY STANDARDS, UH, TO OUR BUILDING.
WE BELIEVE WE FOUND, UM, A BUILDING STYLE AND STRUCTURE THAT PRESENTS THE CHARACTER THAT YOU WANT TO SEE WITHIN YOUR OWN WITHIN YOUR OVERLAY DISTRICT, AS YOU ARE COMING IN THE ENTRANCE TO GOOCHLAND.
YES, IT WILL BE BEHIND A 50 FOOT WOODED, UH, BUFFER.
UM, AS TOM MENTIONED, SCREENING IS VERY IMPORTANT WITH THIS USE.
THESE ARE THE TWO, TWO SECTIONS OF YOUR ORDINANCE THAT TALK ABOUT THE SCREENING IN EACH OF THOSE SECTIONS.
I KNOW TOM SAID WE HAVEN'T DEMONSTRATED.
I'M GOING TO DEMONSTRATE TO YOU, BUT I WILL SHOW YOU THAT I FEEL THAT A 50 FOOT MATURE TREE STAND IN FRONT OF A, UH, OPAQUE, SOLID FENCE.
YOU CAN HAVE OUR TIME SEEING THROUGH IT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TOM MENTIONED, UM, WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PLANTINGS WE'LL HAVE WE, HAVE, WE ASSURED YOU THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PLANTINGS WITHIN THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER.
I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT AGAIN, THAT'S COVERED BY YOUR ORDINANCE.
IT SAYS YOU ONLY HAVE TO DO 30.
IT SAYS THAT IF THERE IS A GAP, WE HAVE TO PLANT DOUBLE ROW, SIX FOOT EVERGREEN TREES SPECIFIED GREAT THING.
I GOT A LANDSCAPE COMPANY HAS A CLIENT.
IF YOU NEED SOME MORE WE'VE PROFFERED, WE WILL GIVE YOU SOME MORE.
WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET TO PLANTS.
SO EVERYBODY CAN GO LOOK AT THE SITE.
WE WILL WORK WITH YOUR STAFF, SOME PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THIS IS CLOSER TO THE ENTRANCE IN, UM, THIS IS ON PATTERSON, LOOKING INTO THE SITE.
YOU'VE GOT SOME TREES FIRST AND THEN 200 FEET AWAY, 200 FEET AWAY.
YOU'VE GOT THE MATURE TREE STAND.
THIS IS THE BASIN, UH, THAT, UM, VEDA PUT IN TO COLLECT RAIN, WATER TO DRY BASIN.
WE WANTED TO BE UPFRONT WITH YOU.
YES, THERE IS A GAP AGAIN, HERE'S THE MATURE MATURE TREE STAND.
UM, THIS IS A PHOTO, UH, AS YOU REACH THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, UH, SO THAT YOU HAD A PERSPECTIVE OF THE MATURE TREES, UH, FROM THE SERVICE REP.
NOW THIS IS AN AREA OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I THINK YOU CAN SEE, UM, PROPERTY IS LOCATED HERE.
YOU GOT THE SERVICE ROAD, MAIN ENTRANCE RAMP HERE, EXIT RAMP TO ADA.
YOU CAN SEE THE MATURE TREES THAT ARE IN BETWEEN THE VIEWS FROM THE PUBLIC ROAD INTO THE SITE.
STAFF STILL WANTED US TO DEMONSTRATE HERE.
THIS IS YOUR TOPO FROM YOUR GIS.
IT IS ANYTHING, BUT HERE ARE THE LINE OF SITES.
WE'RE GOING TO START HERE AS IF YOU WERE COMING SOUTHBOUND ON 2 88, COMING OFF THE EXIT RAMP COMING AROUND, THEN LET'S SAY YOU WERE COMING UP THE EXIT RAMP TO ENTER.
WE'RE GOING TO FIRST DO FROM D HERE INTO THE SITE AND THEN FROM PATTERSON.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE WILL DO IT RIGHT HERE FROM THE SERVICE ROAD IN 2 88 IS ON YOUR LEFT.
THE SITE IS ON YOUR RIGHT NOW.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED WITH STAFF WITH STAFF IS LIKE, WELL, WE GET THIS PERCEPTION THAT 2 88
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IS HIGHER.SO YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING DOWN INTO THE SITE.
YOUR TOPO ACTUALLY SHOWS IT'S NOT, WE, THIS INFORMATION IS PULLED STRAIGHT FROM THE COUNTY GIS.
YOU CAN SEE IF YOU'RE ON 2 88, YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH A HILL, UM, ACROSS SECTION C AT THE TOP.
THIS IS AS IF YOU ARE DRIVING STRAIGHT, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CARS ARE ORIENTED.
BUT THIS IS IF YOU ARE DRIVING DOWN THE EXIT RAMP AND YOU'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT INTO THE PROPERTY AGAIN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT COMING OFF THERE, YOU'VE GOT A BERM BUILT, A BERM.
IT'S PART OF THEIR SOUND ATTENUATION MEASURES D THIS REMEMBER DIGG IS THE CROSS SECTION, AS YOU ARE, UH, ON THE ENTRANCE RAMP ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH, UM, AND THE PROPERTY IS TO YOUR RIGHT.
AGAIN, YOU'RE LOOKING INTO A BERM, UM, E CROSS SECTION IS FROM PATTERSON.
THOSE PICTURES THAT I SHOWED YOU, THE PICTURES FROM PATTERSON LOOKING ACROSS, UH, AGAIN, YOU'VE KIND OF GOT THE TOPOGRAPHY, PROVIDING THE SCREEN ON THIS ONE.
YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE ADDED THE FENCE.
THE FENCE IS, UM, UH, THEY ARE ALSO PROVIDING THE BLOCKAGE BEHIND THE 50 FOOT VEGETATION.
AND THEN, UH, CROSS SECTION F IS FROM THE, UM, UM, SERVICE REP, UH, V DOT HAS REVIEWED IT.
UM, THERE ARE NO CONCERNS WITH THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC VOLUME.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE, UM, FOR CLARITY THAT, THAT 23 TRIPS, UH, INCLUDES EMPLOYEES COMING IN THE PICKUPS LEAVING IT'S ABOUT EIGHT, 10 DURING THE DAY TO PICK UP SCOTT TO COME BACK WITH THE TRAILERS, BUT THAT'S IT, NO RETAIL, NO CUSTOMERS.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO THE QUESTION ABOUT DELIVERY TRUCKS FOR CLARITY.
IT'S ONE TO TWO A WEEK DURING THE MULCH SEASON MULCH SEASON, WE'RE MULCHING.
WE MARKED STARTING IN FEBRUARY AND WE FINISHED AROUND MAY.
THAT'S THE BUSY SEASON FOR US.
THAT'S WHEN THE BIG THAT'S WHEN THE TRUCKS HAVE TO BRING THEM MUCH.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, UM, YARD WORKS.
UM, THEY CAN COME FROM THEY'RE BRAND NEW.
THEY JUST BOUGHT A FACILITY, UH, DOWN BY LUXTON.
UM, THEY CAN BRING IT, UH, FROM THAT.
UM, I'M GOING TO GET A LINEAR ROAD.
UH, THEY CAN BRING IT DOWN LINEAR ROAD IF YOU LIKE.
UH, AND WE CAN HAVE THEM COME IN, UH, TO THE FACILITY THAT WAY WE HAVE THEM, UH, UNLOADED OUR PROPERTY SO THAT WE CAN JUST PUT IT ON THE TRAILERS AND GO, UM, THE ROAD IS BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE IT.
UM, THE REST OF THE YEAR, MAYBE WE GET ONE BIG TRUCK EVERY TWO WEEKS.
UM, AND VIDOT HAS SAID, YEP, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR THIS ROAD.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UM, THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION WAIVED THE PROFFER, WAIVE THE LIMITATION AT THE TIME LIMITATIONS FOR THE PROFFERS.
UH, SO WE CAN, UH, PROVIDE ST CATHERINE'S WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UH, PROHIBITED USES THAT THEY REQUESTED.
UH, THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST, UH, WITH THESE CHANGES, UH, AND WITH THAT, UM, UH, WITH A VOTE OF APPROVAL, UH, YOU'D HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO REPLACE UNCONDITIONAL R THREE, UH, WITH A WELL SCREENED, LOW INTENSE COMMERCIAL USE THAT WILL EXPAND YOUR TAX BASE AND ALSO WELCOME THE RELOCATION OF AN EXISTING SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, UH, TO GOOCHLAND.
I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM'S COMMENT, UH, THAT THIS IS A BETTER AND HIGHER USE THAN WHAT IS IT DESIGNATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I'D SUBMIT TO YOU.
THE ONLY REASON IT'S DESIGNATED WHAT IT IS, IS BECAUSE OF ITS UNDERLYING ZONING.
UH, LASTLY, I KNOW THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE U U TURNS.
WE DID WANT TO SHOW THAT, BUT TRUCKS MAKE THAT TURN TODAY.
IT'S THE SAME CONDITION THAT EXISTS.
THOSE ARE THE SAME MOVEMENTS THAT EXIST.
AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, VITA ENCOURAGES YOU TURN MOVEMENTS.
WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO PUT THOSE BREAKS IN THE MEDIA.
IF WE COULD PUT A BREAK IN THE MEDIA, NO PROBLEM, BUT V DOT WANTS US TO MAKE THOSE U-TURN BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO SPACE IT.
YOU TURNS ARE MORE SAFE THAN HAVING MORE CROSS, UM, UH, TURNS.
SO WITH THAT, I ASKED THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU, UH, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TODAY.
HOW LONG HAS THIS COMPANY BEEN IN BUSINESS AND HANDLED FOR 20 YEARS.
UM, AND THEY ALSO HAVE AN OFFICE IN WILLIAMSBURG.
THEY SERVED BOTH THE WILLIAMSBURG MARKET AND THE RICHMOND MARKET AND, AND THE SCREENING.
YOU, YOU ALL ARE PROPER AND SCREAMING.
IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WASN'T AWARE OF WHAT IT WAS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY APPROVE OF.
I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN THE ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE AN OPAQUE.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE MAX.
BUT BEING IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, OR IS IT SOMETHING WE CAN
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ENFORCE THAT THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE, THEN YOU SAY IT WAS, YEAH.I MEAN, THE, THE OVERLAY DISTRICT IS CODIFIED SO THAT OUR REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THERE.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT IS IF THEY, THE WAY THAT EARLY DISTRICT IS SET UP IS IF THEY WANT TO MEET THE EARLY DISTRICT, UM, THEN THEY CAN BE PROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
IF THEY WANT TO VARY FROM THEIR DISTRICT, THEN THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO ASK FOR VARIOUS, BUT VARIATION FROM THAT.
AND THEN THERE WOULD ALSO BE BOUND BY THE PROFFERS IF THE CASE WERE APPROVED, UH, OTHER THAN LANDSCAPE PRODUCTS, THERE'S A LOT OF EQUIPMENT STORED.
IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU'VE SEEN A LANDSCAPE BUSINESS SERVICING SOMEBODIES HOUSE, YOU'LL SEE A PICKUP TRUCK, A TRAILER, THEY GOT THE MOWER ON THE BACK, THEY GOT THE WEED WHACKERS, THE BLOWERS, THOSE SAME THINGS ON THE BACK.
UM, AND THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL BE STORED OUTDOORS.
MAY I GO BACK AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE REAL QUICK.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE SHOP THERE.
UM, WE ORIGINALLY HAD IT LOCATED TOWARDS 2 88, UH, AT THE SUGGESTION OF STAFF, WE MOVED IT TO PATTERSON.
THEY THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A BETTER LOCATION.
IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE ELEVATIONS, WE SHOWED YOU THAT THEY HAD DOOR ROLL-UP DOORS, THOSE WILL BE IN THE BACK SO THAT THE TRUCKS WILL COME IN AND THEN THOSE EQUIP, THOSE TRAILERS WILL GO INTO THE WAREHOUSE SPACE.
THAT'S IN THAT BUILDING AND THEY WILL BE STORED THERE.
I'M SURE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU PROBABLY KNOW OF NEIGHBORS.
WHO'VE HAD THE UNFORTUNATE THING OF THEIR LAWN EQUIPMENT BEING STOLEN, STOLEN.
IT'S THE SAME THING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
WE HAVE A POLE BARN ON THE WEST SIDE THERE, UH, THAT WILL ALSO HOUSE, UH, TRAILERS THAT AREN'T BEING USED.
THEN AT THE BOTTOM, YOU CAN SEE THE CEMENT STORAGE BINS, UH, THAT WILL HOLD THE MATERIAL, UH, THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY YOUR FIRE.
THE EXISTING BUFFET AREA, AS LONG AS I WROTE YOU ARE GOING TO RETAIN.
SO YOU CAN SEE IF I MAY, UM, GRAB THE, THE, THE RED DOT AGAIN.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'VE SHOWN THE BUFFER HEAT.
UM, YOUR STAFF WAS VERY HELPFUL IN HELPING US UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF BUFFERS.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS AROUND BUFFERS IN THE COUNTY RECENTLY.
UH, WE HAVE PROVIDED ENHANCED PROFFER ON OUR BUFFER THAT WE HAVE TO MARK.
SO WHEN WE'RE DOING LAND DISTURBANCE, BEFORE WE PUT UP THE FENCE, WE HAVE TO STICK TO THAT.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT STAFF REALLY ENCOURAGED US TO DO WAS PROVIDE THAT FENCE IN ADDITION TO THE BUFFER, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT OVER TIME IT TO GET ERODED.
YOU KNOW, YOU GET CLOSER AND CLOSER AND CLOSER.
IF WE PUT THE FENCE THERE, NOT ONLY ARE WE ADDING THAT SECOND LAYER OF SCREENING, BUT WE ARE ALSO PROTECTING THE BUFFER.
AND WE SAID, NO PROBLEM WITH ANSWERS ALL THE BANKS OUT OF THE BOX, NOT ON THE ROADSIDE, CORRECT.
CATHERINE'S ON THAT MATERIAL AS WELL.
THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM THAT IT WOULD BE BOARD ON BOARD OR A BLACK DECORATIVE WITH A SCREEN.
NOW, OPEN UP TO A PUBLIC HEARING, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME FORWARD AS THREE MINUTES, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
IT'S PATRICK DUKE, FOUR 15 REGINA LANE, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE CREEKMORE PARK HOA, UM, NOVEMBER 7TH, 2019.
IT IS A LARGE RESPONSIBILITY WHEN A HOME IS PURCHASED AND THE BUYERS DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND INVESTIGATE WHAT IS SURROUNDING THEM AND BUY ON THAT BASIS.
IF INDIVIDUALS CAN NOT DEPEND ON WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS, AND THE PURPOSE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS LOST.
YOU SAID THAT, SIR, YOU REMEMBER THAT YOU, MR. MYERS, YOU SAID, I HATE TO VOTE AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENT.
AND THE THREE OF YOU, YOU JUST WENT AHEAD AND DID IT.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE BUSINESS.
I APPLAUD YOU AS AN ENTREPRENEUR.
I APPLAUD THE SLICK PRESENTATION FROM OUR CITY LAWYER HERE FROM RICHMOND.
THIS IS ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND STICKING WITH THE PLAN OR THROWING IT IN THE GARBAGE.
WE ARE VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THIS BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU'VE YOURSELVES ARE ABIDING BY.
YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE TO DO THE RIGHT THING IN NOVEMBER, ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2019, YOU FAILED.
AND GUESS WHAT? A MONTH LATER, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OVERTURNED YOUR DECISION.
DID THEY NOT? IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, IT IS FOR THE RECORD.
SO THIS IS ABOUT YOU DOING WHAT'S RIGHT? THE COMPREHENSIVE
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PLAN HAS A DESIGNATION.PEOPLE BUY AND MAKE INVESTMENTS.
THE BUSINESS OWNER, AS I APPLAUD HIM FOR HIS ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND HIS SUCCESS, HE MADE A BAD DECISION BECAUSE THIS LAND IS NOT ZONED FOR HIS TYPE OF BUSINESS.
SO HE WILL HAVE TO GO FIND ANOTHER PIECE OF LAND THAT IS OWN MORE COURTING FOR HIS TYPE OF BUSINESS USE OWN THIS.
I DO APPRECIATE THE PROFFERS CAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT THANK YOU.
NO MATTER WHAT THE PROFFERS, YOU STILL CHANGE THAT ZONING DESIGNATION TO BE ONE FROM OUR AND MR. GEIGER HAS NOW MADE A HE'S HE'S MADE IT, HIS POSITION THAT THIS DESIGNATION COULD BE CHANGED IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.
CAUSE IT'S SOMETIMES NOT THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE.
YOU'VE GONE AGAINST YOUR PLAN.
DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THIS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL BE OVERTURNED AGAIN FOR THE SECOND TIME, UH, DO THE RIGHT THING.
I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP PLEASE.
MIKE BARBRA, TWO 80 CREEKMORE PLACE.
UH, I LIVE ALMOST DIRECTLY ACROSS.
YOU CAN SEE MY HOUSE FROM THE PICTURE.
I CAN SEE NANCE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY FROM MY, UH, BACK YARD.
UH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE GENTLEMEN.
AND, AND I APPLAUD HIM AS WELL AS BEING AN ENTREPRENEUR, WANTING TO BRING BUSINESS TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
BUT I CHALLENGED THE INFORMATION THAT THE GENTLEMAN HAD ABOUT TRUCKS OR MAKING THE U-TURN THERE AT CREEKMORE ROAD NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT.
UH, MS. HUNTER REMEMBERED US FROM, UH, I THINK NOVEMBER OF 2019 COMING IN AND, UH, TRYING TO GET IT CHANGED FOR THE DOCTOR'S OFFICES, WHICH IS NOT SHOWING UP THERE IN THE PICTURE.
NOW, UH, THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE HOUSES PATRICK IS IN CREEKMORE PARK.
I THINK YOU JUST APPROVED A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING HOUSES RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD AT THE INTERSECTION OF PATTERSON AND RIVER ROAD, WHICH IS ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD.
IS THIS RIGHT HERE? UH, I DON'T SEE HOW THE SEMI TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE MAKING THAT U-TURN BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THAT BUSINESS GOING WEST ON PATTERSON AVENUE.
AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I CAN SAY.
I MEAN, I'M, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IF, IF, UH, CAPITAL ONE EVER GOES BACK INTO THE OFFICE, THERE, IT WILL BE STACKED UP AND YOU WILL HAVE THE SEMI TRUCKS AND ALSO THE LANDSCAPE TRUCKS, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A SMALL AMOUNT, BECAUSE WHEN BACK IN 2019, I'D SAID AT THE INTERSECTION TRYING TO GET OUT FOR AS LONG AS 13 MINUTES, JUST TRY TO GET OUT.
THEY COME OUT OF CAPITAL ONE OUT OF WEST CREEK, GO UP, MAKE A U-TURN TO GO TO 2 88 SOUTH.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
I LIVE AT 6 39 MONACAN DRIVE, WHICH IS BEHIND RICHMOND COUNTRY CLUB.
UM, I WOULD ASK YOU TONIGHT TO TAKE A BIGGER VIEW THAN WHAT'S BEEN MENTIONED.
UM, ROUTE SIX AND PATTERSON AVENUE COMING INTO GOOCHLAND IS A GATEWAY INTO GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S RECENT MOVEMENTS GOING ON OF THE DEFINITION AND THE PURPOSES OF VILLAGES WITHIN GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
UM, THERE IS A PROPOSED VILLAGE IN MANNEQUIN AND AT SOME POINT THAT WILL BECOME OPEN TO COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, TODAY THERE ARE NO BUSINESSES WEST OF 2 88, UH, UNTIL YOU GET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LUCK STONE, NOPE, NO BUSINESS PROPERTIES, NO BUSINESS ZONING.
UH, SO THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST BUSINESS OWNING ALONG PATTERSON AVENUE.
UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT COULD GO THERE, THERE IS ANOTHER PARCEL OWNED BY THE PRESBYTERY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT.
AND I'LL GUARANTEE YOU IF YOU APPROVE BIEWEN FOR THAT, FOR THIS PARCEL, THEY'LL BE HERE NEXT MONTH FOR THE SECOND PARCEL.
AND ONCE THE BUSINESSES BEGIN TO COME IN TO PATTERSON, ROUTE SIX AND THE RIVER ROAD AREA, THERE'LL BE NO STOPPING IT.
SO I'D ASK YOU TONIGHT TO THINK ABOUT THIS FROM 30,000 FEET.
WHAT DO YOU WANT THE GATEWAY INTO, INTO PATTERSON, INTO GOOCHLAND COUNTY TO LOOK LIKE? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE RESIDENTIAL WITH HIGH QUALITY HOMES AS IS NOW THE CASE? AND THERE ARE MORE DEVELOPMENTS COMING AS WE SPEAK IN THAT AREA? OR DO YOU WANT THAT AREA TO BE ANOTHER CENTERVILLE? DO WE WANT TO MCDONALD'S DO
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WE WANT A, UH, A USED CAR LOT? DO WE WANT TO FOOD LION ON PATTERSON AVENUE OR DO WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THAT AREA AS PEOPLE ENTER INTO GOOCHLAND COUNTY? SO I WOULD PLEAD WITH YOU NOT TO APPROVE THE BUSINESS ZONING THERE, AS, AS ALREADY MENTIONED TONIGHT, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN FRONT OF CREEKMORE, THERE WERE, THERE HAVE BEEN TWO REQUESTS TO CHECK FOR BUSINESS ZONING.BOTH OF THOSE WERE TURNED DOWN BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, FOR THE REASONS THAT I STATED.
UH, SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO LET'S MAIN MAINTAIN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING THAT IS IN PLACE NOW AND, UH, PROVIDE THAT, THAT ATTRACTIVE GATEWAY INTO A RURAL GOOCHLAND COUNTY.
ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? YEAH.
ARE YOU ON YOU HAVE A MINUTE OR TWO? THANK YOU.
UM, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, REAL QUICK, UH, TO MR. YACHTY, UH, WANT TO LET HIM KNOW THAT THERE IS NO OTHER PROPERTY OWNED BY THE PRESBYTERY.
I THINK HE'S THINKING ABOUT THE ST CATHERINE'S PROPERTIES, MAYBE, UM, ON THE WEST OF 2 88, AS YOU KNOW, UM, THERE IS THE NANCE CORPORATION.
UM, THERE IS THE OFFICE THAT TOM POINTED OUT.
SO WE HAVE BUSINESS ON THIS CORRIDOR.
THE KEY HERE THOUGH, AS HE MENTIONED, IS HOW CAN WE PRESERVE THAT RURAL CHARACTER, OUR THREE TOWNHOUSES? I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, PARTICULARLY IF THERE'S NO CASH PROFITS BEING PAID, HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE, TO KEEP THAT, TO BUILD UPON THAT 200 FOOT OF VEGETATION, UH, BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN PASSIONATE AVENUE AND THE SERVICE ROAD, UH, WITH A ARCHITECTURE THAT ENHANCES THE RURAL CHARACTER.
SO IF YOU SEE IT BEHIND THE 50 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS A NICE BUILDING THAT PRESENTS THAT RURAL CHARACTER, THAT THE OVERLAY CALLS FOR AS YOU COME IN THIS ENTRANCE CORRIDOR, UM, TO MR. BARKER THERE, THE A HUNDRED HOMES HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT.
IT HASN'T COME BEFORE YOU, IT HASN'T GONE BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, WE WILL GET, WE CAN GET OUR DELIVERIES FROM THE WEST.
UM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT U-TURN.
UM, MY POINT THERE IS TRUCKS CAN MAKE THE U-TURN TODAY.
YOU'RE TRAVELING DOWN THE ROAD.
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A U-TURN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE A U-TURN UM, I THINK FROM HIS HOUSE, AS YOU CAN SEE, HE'S GOT WOODS BEHIND HIM, YOU GOT PAST AND AVENUE 200 FEET ARE 50 FOOT BUFFER OUR BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN TO THE FIRST GENTLEMAN'S POINT, YES, I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO EITHER RECOGNIZE THAT MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN RESIDENTIAL, UH, IN THE COMP PLAN, UM, WAS THERE BECAUSE IT WAS EXISTING OR THREE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A CHANGE FOR SOMETHING THAT IS LESS IMPACTFUL TO THE COUNTY AND ENHANCES THE RURAL CHARACTER.
AS YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A GUIDE.
AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY AND THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO SAY WE CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND IN FACT, IF WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT AGAIN, WE PROBABLY WOULD DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO WITH THAT, UH, I ASKED THAT THE COMMISSION AND AGAIN, UH, WAIVE THE, UH, TIME LIMITS, UH, AND APPROVE THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU SUBJECT TO THE PROPER CONDITIONS, UH, THAT WERE SUBMITTED TODAY.
I GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK AGAIN.
WE NEED A MOTION TO WAIVE THE TOWN LIMITS FIRST, CORRECT.
UM, I MEAN, WE WAITED THE TIME LIMIT ON THE PROPERTY MOTION AND SECOND ON FAVOR.
ON THE SUBJECT OF REZONING REQUESTS FOR, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT TRUCK TRAFFIC TWICE A WEEK IS NOT A BIG DEAL AND A PATTERSON'S A BUSY ROAD, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, TWO TO TWO TRUCKS A WEEK IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS A SUPER MANY DO WORRY ABOUT.
UM, I THINK THEY'VE TAKEN GREAT LANDS TO PROVE THAT THEY CAN SHELTER THAT BUSINESS UP THERE AND YOU WON'T SEE IT FROM THE ROAD.
SO AS A GATEWAY, YOU WON'T SEE IT.
AND WITH VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HELP DETER FROM THE REGION.
I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY BUILDING A RESIDENCE THERE.
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IT'S JUST NOT A SUITABLE FLIGHT.AND I DRIVE AS AN EVERYDAY DRIVER TWO, THREE TIMES A DAY.
AND, UH, I NEVER EVEN HARDLY NOTICE THAT LAND BEING UP AT UNTIL THEY STARTED PUTTING IN THE LITTLE POND IN THERE AND CLEARING THE ROAD.
IT'S VERY OBSCURE BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S LOOKING FOR THE RAMP TO 2 88.
NOBODY'S LOOKING FOR THAT LITTLE SECONDARY ROAD THERE.
SO IT'S PRETTY OBSCURE PIECE OF PROPERTY, MUCH MORE SO THAN THE OFFICE PARK, A DIV CLEAR THEY'RE IN FRONT OF A GREEN BOARD.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO I'LL SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR.
IT'S A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A FOUR O VOTE.
THIS CASE WILL BE HEARD BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON JUNE 7TH, 2022.
OUR NEXT TWO CASES TONIGHT ARE COMPANION CASES AND WILL BE PRESENTED TOGETHER.
THERE WILL BE ONE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT EACH CASE WILL REQUIRE A MOTION AND A VOTE DISTRICT FOR OUR Z 2006 0 0 0 0 3.
[4. District 4 - RZ-2006-00003A - Application by Extra Attic Pouncey Tract, LLC]
APPLICATION BY EXTRA ATTIC, PONCY TRACT, LLC, REQUESTING PROPER AMENDMENTS TO REZONE IN CASE OUR Z 2006 0 0 0 0 3.TO AMEND THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN ON 5.8, TWO ACRES BORDERING VILLAGE TRAIL, CONSI TRACK ROAD AND PARK VILLAGE BOULEVARD ON TAX MAP, NUMBER 48, 1 0 56.
SEE THE PROPERTY IS ZONED BUSINESS GENERAL.
IN ADDITION, CU 2022 TO APPLICATION BY EXTRA ATTIC, PONCY TRACT, LLC, REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SELF STORAGE MINI WAREHOUSE FACILITY ON 5.82 ACRES.
THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15, 2 42.
THANK YOU, MS. PARKER MEMBERS OF SUFFICIENT I'M JAMIE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS MS. PARKER MENTIONED, UH, TONIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING TWO CASES AT ONE TIME, THEY ARE COMPANION CASES AS I GO THROUGH IT, I'M GOING TO DO MY VERY BEST TO, UH, UH, TO GO THROUGH IT IN A MANNER WHICH, UH, THERE'S NOT SO MUCH OVERLAP.
UM, IF I WAS TO READ THIS TWO TIMES,
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IT WOULD BE, UM, VERY REPETITIVE.UH, SO THE FIRST, UH, UM, THE FIRST APPLICATION IS A PROFFER AMENDMENT.
UH, THIS IS TO REVISE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO ALLOW FOR A SELF STORAGE MINI WAREHOUSE FACILITY WITH OFFICE AND LIMITED COMMERCIAL.
AND THE SECOND APPLICATION IS TO ALLOW FOR A SELF STORAGE, UH, WAREHOUSE FACILITY.
THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS IN THE NORTH EASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY, THE COMPREHENSIVE DEBT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE PROPERTY AS COMMERCIAL.
UH, THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, DESIGNATION HERE TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH IS PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
AND, UH, THE SURROUNDING, UH, PROPERTY AROUND THE ENTIRE AREA IS, UM, DEEMED FLEXIBLE.
THE ZONING MAP IDENTIFIES THE PROPERTY AS V1, UH, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION.
AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THE, UH, PARKSIDE VILLAGE IS, UH, UH, SURROUNDS THE PROPERTY, UH, FOR THE MOST PART IS, UM, RPD TO THE NORTH IS ALSO B ONE, UH, AND TO THE EAST, IT IS, UM, AGRICULTURAL.
SO HERE IS A, THE ARIEL, AS YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY.
SO YOUR PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED AND READ THE PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
THE PART OF IT THAT IT HAS BEEN ALREADY DEVELOPED IS SHOWN, UH, THE AREA TO THE NORTH IS, UH, WHERE SEVEN 11, UH, FORMER ALL SHOCKS IS LOCATED AND A CARWASH.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY IS, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND, UH, PRIMARILY VACANT, UH, ACROSS THE BOUNCY TRACK ROAD.
SO I'D MENTIONED THE TWO DIFFERENT, UH, APPLICATIONS AGAIN, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL, UH, THE PROFFER AMENDMENT, UM, THE EXISTING CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
AND I'LL GET INTO THAT INTO MORE DETAIL.
AND I DISCUSSED THE ACTUAL APPLICATION, UM, DOES NOT SHOW A MINI STORAGE OFFICE, UM, AREA.
SO IT'S TO REVISE THAT, UH, OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL, EXCUSE ME, AREA.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE, UH, SELF STORAGE MINI, UH, WAREHOUSE FACILITY
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IS A REQUIREMENT, UH, TO HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THESO, UM, I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UH, PROPER, UM, AMENDMENT APPLICATION.
SO LITTLE HISTORY ON THE PROPERTY IN 2006, THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED AS PART OF A LARGER, UH, REZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL TO BE ONE, UH, THE PROFFERS, UH, FOR WERE FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL RETAIL CENTER FRONTING ONTO PANTSY TRACK.
THE PROFFERED CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWS A GROCERY STORE OR SOME SORT OF BIG BOX, UH, RETAIL STORE ALONG WITH, UH, UH, STRIP, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND OUTBUILDINGS.
UH, THE B ONE WAS APPROVED AT THE SAME TIME.
THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING WAS APPROVED FOR PARKSIDE VILLAGE SUBDIVISION.
SO HERE YOU HAVE, UM, IN FRONT OF YOU, THE, UH, 2006 APPROVED CONCEPTUAL PLAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS, UM, EXCUSE ME, RIGHT THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A, UH, IT'S OVERALL SHOPPING CENTER.
THERE'S A LARGE BUILDING THAT WOULD BE THE ANCHOR, SOME STRIP, AND THEN THE OUTBUILDINGS, THE OUT PARCELS.
THIS IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
UM, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, UM, POINTING OUT RIGHT HERE IS THE SELF STORAGE MINI WAREHOUSE FACILITY.
UH, THE FACILITY IS PROPOSED TO BE THREE STORIES AND HEIGHT.
THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE 86, A LITTLE OVER 86,000 SQUARE FEET.
THEY ARE PROPOSING AN OFFICE BUILDING, UH, WHICH IS, UM, GOING TO BE 85,800 SQUARE FEET.
I WAS STRUGGLING WITH THIS EARLIER.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, UH, THEY ALSO SHOW ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, A COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH 6,500 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN ALSO SHOWS, UH, TWO ENTRANCES, ONE HERE ON VILLAGE TRAIL, AND ONE HERE ON, UH, PARK VILLAGE BOULEVARD OR VILLAGE PARK LOOKS A LITTLE, UH, THE, UH, IN ADDITION TO REVISING THE, UM, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO OFFERED A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL, UH, PROFFERS.
UH, HE HAS PROFFERED, THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED, UH, ELEVATIONS FOR THE SELF STORAGE UNIT, AND THOSE ARE PROPOSED HERE.
UM, ALONG WITH THAT, THEY HAVE PROPOSED, UH, THEY HAVE OFFERED, UH, PROFFERED BUILDING MATERIALS FOR BOTH THE, UH, SELF STORAGE AND THEN FOR THE OTHER BUILDINGS, UH, THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED YET.
SO THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE USE IS GOING TO BE.
SO THERE ARE NO ELEVATIONS FOR, FOR THOSE, BUT THE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN PROFFERED.
SO NOW I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE PROFFERS, UH, PLEA.
UH, SO JUST IN GENERAL, UH, THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS FROM THE 2006 CASE HAD 10 PROFFERS.
ALL OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED.
UM, EACH ONE OF THOSE PROFFERS HAS EITHER BEEN REPLACED WITH A NEW PROFFER AND I'LL POINT THOSE OUT, OR THEY'VE, UH, DON'T PERTAIN ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE AND THE, UH,
SO, UH, WHAT IS BEFORE YOU ON THE PRESENTATION IS, UM, A BLACK LINE VERSION OF, UM, WHAT CAME IN YOUR PACKET WAS A VERSION THAT WAS ALTERED FROM THE, UM, APRIL.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GOING BACK TO.
SO THE FIRST PROFFER IS I MENTIONED THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO, UH, UH, DEVELOP IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL PROFIT PLAN.
UM, THIS WAS REVISED, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, BASED ON, UH, CONCERNS WITH THE PREVIOUS LANGUAGE AT THE PREVIOUS LANGUAGE TO, UH, PROVIDE A, TOO MUCH OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVIATION.
SO THE APPLICANT, UM, RESPONDED TO STAFF'S COMMENT, UM, ELEVATIONS NUMBER TWO, AGAIN, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT MUST BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROFFERED ELEVATIONS.
UH, THE, UH, UH, APPLICATION HAS BEEN CHANGED TO ADD BUILDING MATERIALS FOR THE SELF STORAGE MINI WAREHOUSE.
THAT IS THE CHANGE SINCE THE LAST STAFF REPORT.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BUFFER REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF THEIR PROFFERS, UM, ON A LONG PARKSIDE, UH, PARK VILLAGE PARKWAY, EXCUSE ME, I MISSTATED IT BEFORE.
UM, THERE IS A COMMITMENT TO, UH, RETAIN THE EXISTING BERM, UH, CHANGES WERE MADE TO CLEAR UP SOME VAGUE LANGUAGE ABOUT PRESERVING THE BERM OF IT LEFT TOO MUCH, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, THE, UM, THE BERM TO BE DISTURBED.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THEY HAVE OFFERED A REPLANTING PLAN JUST IN CASE THE, UM, THE BUFFER IS IMPACTED DURING DEVELOPMENT, ALL ALONG VILLAGE TRAIL.
THEY HAVE A, UH, PROFFERS THAT OFFERS, UM, SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S A 15 FOOT SIDE SETBACK ALONG WITH A THREE-FOOT BERM.
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UH, PROPHECY ALSO HAS SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, BUFFER REQUIREMENTS OF THE, SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN CHANGED TO, UH, PROVIDE MORE DETAILS, UM, UH, PLANTING AND BURN REQUIREMENTS THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO STAFF.UH, NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO FOUR OR FIVE AND SIX SINCE IT WAS LAST, UH, PRESENTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, ENTRANCES, THE TWO ENTRANCES THAT WERE POINTED OUT ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN HAVE BEEN PROFFERED TO LIMIT AT TWO.
UH, THEY, UH, THEY HAVE PROFFERED, UH, PROTECTIVE COVENANTS.
THIS HAS TO DO WITH, UH, MAINTENANCE OF THE, UM, THE OPEN SPACE AND CAUSE THERE WOULD BE DIFFERENT USERS.
THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, AN ASSOCIATION THAT WILL BE FORMED.
UH, HOURS OF CONSTRUCTIONS HAVE BEEN LIMITED, UH, TO 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
UH, THERE'S A PROVISION FOR EMERGENCIES, UH, TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE SOME, UH, WORK, INCLUDING CONCRETE POURS AND UTILITY CONNECTIONS, WHICH ARE, UM, TIME SENSITIVE, THE NUMBER SEVEN LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UH, HAS BEEN DELETED.
THAT WAS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I LANDSCAPE PLAN IS CODE REQUIRED.
SO, UM, HOWEVER, UH, IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WILL BE, UM, PERCEIVING WHEN THE PLANET DEVELOPMENT COMES THROUGH.
THERE WILL BE THE DETAILS THAT ARE PROVIDED IN, UH, IN THIS, UM, IN THIS SUBMITTAL.
UH, SO, UH, NUMBER SEVEN HAS BEEN ADDED, UH, THIS, UH, THIS IS THE ADDITION OF THE BUILDING MATERIALS FOR THE OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
THAT WAS AGAIN IN RESPONSE TO A STAFF COMMENT, NUMBER EIGHT, NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THAT, BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO, UH, THEY HAVE PROFFERED TO HAVE UNDERGROUND UTILITY LINES, UM, CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC.
UH, THIS IS A RESTRICTION ON EARTH MOVING CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT LAND DISTURBANCE, UH, THIS WILL NOT PROHIBIT, UM, UH, THE LAND DISTURBANCE IS, UH, ONLY TO, UH, UH, BE ACCESSED THROUGH VILLAGE TRAIL.
THE, UM, THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION, THERE IS NO LIMITATION ON THAT, SO THEY COULD ENTER EITHER, EITHER, UM, ACCESS THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS ADDED SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL PROHIBITED USES.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THOSE UNLESS YOU'D LIKE ME TO, UH, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE UNDERLINED HAVE BEEN ADDED SINCE THE, UH, LAST SUBMITTAL WITH THE STAFF REPORT.
AND, UH, NUMBER 11 IS A, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, COMMITTED TO ADDING, EXTENDING THE SIDEWALKS.
UM, IN THE CON CONCEPTION, I SHOWED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO THE ENTRANCE, UH, SITE ON BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO NOW I'M MOVING ON TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS TO DO WITH THE ALLOWANCE OF THE SELF STORAGE, MANY WAREHOUSE FACILITY.
AS I MENTIONED, IT IS A CODE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN ORDER TO OPERATE ONE IN THE B ONE DISTRICT, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUSINESS OPERATIONS.
UM, THE, UH, APPLICANT FOR THE, UM, UH, THIS USE IS EXTRA ATTIC.
UH, THEY OWN SEVERAL, UH, OTHER FACILITIES WITHIN THE AREA.
UH, THE APPLICANT STATED THAT, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL STORAGE UNITS ARE ACTUALLY ACCESSED FROM WITHIN THE BUILDING.
SO YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY ENTER THE BUILDING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO YOUR STORAGE UNIT.
CUSTOMERS WOULD NEED TO ENTER THE BUILDING USING EITHER A KEY, A PIN PAD, SOME SORT OF, SOME SORT OF MECHANISM TO ALLOW THEM SPECIFICALLY AS A CUSTOMER TO GET IN.
UH, THERE ARE OFFICE HOURS FROM 9:00 AM TO 5:00 PM WHEN THE BUILDING IS, UM, THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY OPEN FROM CUSTOMERS, UH, LONGER THAN THAT FROM 7:00 AM, BUT ONLY TILL 9:00 PM.
SO IT WAS NOT A 24 HOUR HOUR OPERATION.
EACH OF THESE BUSINESS OPERATIONS YOU'LL SEE ARE REFLECTED IN THE CONDITION.
SO IT IS HOW THEY DO BUSINESS, BUT THE CONDITIONS WILL LIMIT THEM TO THESE.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THE PROPOSED BUILDING WILL BE A LITTLE OVER 38 FEET.
UM, SO THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT, UM, B ONE DISTRICT HAS A MAXIMUM UNDERLYING, UH, HEIGHT OF 35 FEET.
THERE IS ADDITIONAL ALLOWANCES IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IF YOU HAVE TWO SIDE YARDS FOR EACH ADDITIONAL FOOT ON EACH SIDE, OR THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SHOW YOU'RE ALLOWED AN EXTRA FOOT OF HEIGHT, UM, UP TO 60 FEET, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UH, TOOK A LITTLE SNIPPET OF IT.
THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT IS THEIR INTENT AND THAT THE, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN WOULD BE ABLE TO REFLECT ON THIS.
THIS WOULD BE, UM, VERIFIED, UM, WHEN A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHEN A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, THE MEASUREMENTS WILL BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ADHERE TO THE ORDINANCE AND THE, UM, PROF, UM, THE CONDITIONS IMPOSED ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
YOU'LL SEE, AS THERE'S ALSO A HEIGHT
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LIMIT OF 39 FEET AND THE CONDITIONS, AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THERE AS QUICKLY.I THINK I JUST GAVE MOST OF THEM AWAY, BUT, UM, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS TO ALLOW FOR, UH, THE PROPERTY TO HAVE A SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
UH, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SAME CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS PROFFERED WITH THE, UM, THE PROFFER AMENDMENT.
UH, THAT'S ALSO COMMITTING THAT TO THEM, TO THAT, THAT THEY HAVE TO DO, UH, A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO STORE ANY HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
UM, THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED OUTSIDE.
STORAGE IS ALSO, UM, NO OUTSIDE STORAGE IS PERMITTED.
UM, NOT THAT INCLUDES, UH, RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, BOATS, UM, OUTDOOR TRAILERS, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME STORAGE FACILITIES DO OFFER THAT THAT WILL BE PROHIBITED BASED ON, UH, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HOURS OPERATION FROM 9:00 AM TO 7:00 PM.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THEIR OPERATING HOURS.
NOW BUILDING ACCESS, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY WILL NEED TO BE, UM, GO IN WITH A KEY OR SOME SORT OF PIN CODE.
UM, NO, UH, NO BUSINESS ACTIVITIES ARE ALLOWED, UM, AS PART OF THEIR OPERATION.
SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THEY'RE NOT IS NO BUSINESS ACTIVITIES OTHER THAN THE RENTAL OF THE STORAGE UNITS THEMSELVES, NO TRUCK OR TRAILER RENTALS, LIKE A U HAUL TYPE OF A BUSINESS, CAN'T BE ADDED TO THIS NO ACTIVITY, UH, PERMITTED IN THE INDIVIDUAL STORAGE UNITS, UM, LIKE, OR REMOVAL OF PROPERTY, NO RESIDENTIAL RETAIL, UM, NO OFFICE.
THEY CAN'T LIKE HA OPERATED OFFICE IN ONE OF THEM.
AND LASTLY, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SERVICE, UM, VIA, UM, EQUIPMENT OR, OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES WITHIN THE, UM, THE, THE SITE, UM, THE ELEVATIONS, UM, THEY WERE PROFFERED WITH THE, UM, REZONING CASE OR THE PROPER AMENDMENT CASE.
UH, THOSE ARE ALSO, UM, UH, UH, REQUIREMENT AS THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, LIGHTING THE MAXIMUM POLE LIGHTING.
IT WILL BE LIMITED TO 15, UH, FEET WHEN I GO THROUGH, UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT CAME OUT OF THE COMMUNITY LIGHTING WAS ONE OF THEM.
SO WE HAVE LIMITED THE HEIGHT TO 15 FEET AND THE APPLICANT AS UM, SAID THAT THAT WAS OKAY.
UH, BUILDING HEIGHT, AS I MENTIONED, UH, IT DOES ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL BUILDING HEIGHT, UH, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, BASED ON THEIR SUBMITTAL AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MAYBE, UH, IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC WITH, AT 38 FEET, TWO INCHES.
WE WENT TO 39 FEET JUST TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE.
UM, NO, UH, UM, OUTDOOR SPEAKERS OR NOISE FROM SPEAKERS SHOULD BE AUDIBLE OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY, AND LASTLY, THE, UH, STANDARD TRANSFER OR LACE.
SO, UM, THERE WERE TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS HELD.
UM, THEY WERE BOTH HELD AT THE SAME TIME FOR BOTH APPLICATIONS, WHICH IS, UM, HOW I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING FROM HERE OUT.
UM, THE FIRST ONE WAS BACK IN DECEMBER, THERE WERE 37 CITIZENS AND ATTENDANCE.
MR. PATHAK WAS THERE ALONG WITH, UM, BOARD MEMBER, UM, MR. SHARP, UM, CONCERNS INCLUDED HEIGHT OF THE, UM, OF THE, UH, THE STORAGE FACILITY, UM, THE OPERATION OF THE STORAGE FACILITY, THE PHASING OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE NUMBER OF ENTRANCES TRAFFIC, AS WELL AS PERMITTED USES.
AND FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR 35 CITIZENS ATTENDED THEIR SECOND COMMUNITY MEETING CONCERNS INCLUDED THE STORMWATER RUNOFF, UH, THE COST OF MAINTENANCE OF THE EXISTING POND.
UH, UH, THE PERMITTED USES NO ACCESS TO PENALTY, TRACK MAINTENANCE OF THE BERM AND THE NEED FOR SIDEWALKS.
UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY INPUT STAFF RECEIVED NINE EMAILS AND KEEP IN MIND I COUNTED NINE, BUT THAT WAS NINE EMAIL THREADS THAT WERE BACK AND FORTH ON, ON, ON ALL OF THOSE.
AND EACH OF YOU HAVE RECEIVED A COPY OF THOSE.
UM, THREE WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE REPOSE USE, UM, OVER, UH, THE APPROVED CURRENT APPROVED SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, THE REST HAD, UM, VARIOUS CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE SELF STORAGE, UH, FACILITY, UH, LIGHTING IMPACT, WHICH I HAD MENTIONED, UH, WE HAD ADDRESSED IN ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, THE NUMBER OF PROPOSED DUMPSTERS AND TRASH PICKUP, UM, TRASH AND TRASH IS TOADY ASSOCIATED WITH POTENTIAL DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT.
UM, SIDEWALKS NEEDED TO BE EXTENDED KNOW THROUGH TRUCKS SIGNS AND THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR THE BERM.
SO THE COMMISSION, UM, MAY HOLD ONE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH CASES, BUT AS MS. PARKER MENTIONED, UM, EACH APPLICATION MUST BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND ALSO THE APPLICANT IS IN ATTENDANCE IS A HEIGHT TO THE PEAK OF THE ROOF OR THE EAVES.
I DO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT CAUSE I LOOKED IT UP AND I CAN'T REMEMBER, UM, I HAVE THE ORDINANCE HERE.
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MAY ACTUALLY KNOW THAT, CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A NUMBER OF TIMES I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.UM, IF AT SOME POINT I'LL LOOK THAT UP FOR US THIS EVENING, UH, BUSINESS OF THIS SORT IS VERY LOW BURDEN ON THE COUNTY, LOW WATERLOW SEWER USAGE.
UH, AND IT, AS FAR AS THE TAX RATES, IT CREATES IS SIMILAR TO OTHER BUILDINGS, UM, THE TAX RATE.
SO, UM, THE SALES TAX, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UM, THE, THE COMMERCIAL CENTER THAT WAS, UH, UH, APPROVED ALONG WITH THE, UM, THE, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL, THE, THAT WAS KIND OF AN OFFSET APPROVAL TO KIND OF OFFSET THE, UM, THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL BEING APPROVED IN AN AREA THAT WAS DESIGNATED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS, UH, FOR FLEXIBLE, WHICH MEANS INDUSTRIAL AND, UM, OTHER COMMERCIAL USES.
SO SALES TAX ARE NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR INCOME, UM, REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY FORWARD.
I MEAN, THE COMMERCIAL MAY GENERATE SOME, BUT THIS, YOU, YOU SAW THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED COMMERCIALIZED OR ARE VERY DIFFERENT.
COULD YOU BRING UP THE SITE MAP? OF COURSE YOU WANT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, IS THAT ARIEL, UH, DARIEL, WELL NOW THE CONCEPTUAL CAUSE THAT'LL HAVE THE, THE, UM, SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE, UM, PROPOSED OR THE CURRENTLY APPROVED? I WISH I COULD.
THIS IS POUNDS THE TRACK, RIGHT? ONLY, YEAH.
THIS IS ALL, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL UP HERE IS THE FORMER ALL SHUCK SEVEN 11 SITES.
SO, UM, ANOTHER ROAD IS RIGHT ASHLAND ROAD, RIGHT? OH, ASHLYN ARE CORRECT.
AND I, AND I DID NOT MENTION, UM, THIS LITTLE AREA THAT IS, UH, KIND OF WHITED OUT AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AN APPROVED PLAN ON IT BECAUSE THERE IS, UM, THERE IS AN APPROVED PLAN FOR A DANCE STUDIO AT THAT LOCATION.
IS THIS THE SAME PLACE, SAME LOCATION.
THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS AN APPLICATION MAYBE A YEAR AGO FOR THE ALEX CLUB.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS OF COURSE, APPLICANT TO SPEAK AGAIN.
ANDREW BROWNING 9 2 3 STONE CASTLE DRIVE GOOCHLAND, UH, WITH YOUNG BLOOD TYLER ASSOCIATES HERE REPRESENTING EXTRA ADDICT PENALTY TRACK.
UH, JUST WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE, THE ARIEL, AND I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS ON THE SITE.
SO THIS IS AN EXISTING BERM, UH, IN LANDSCAPING, ALONG PARK VILLAGE BOULEVARD.
THE EXISTING PARK VILLAGE ENTRANCE MONUMENT IS RIGHT IN THIS LOCATION.
THERE'S A LARGE STOCKPILE AREA IN THIS AREA WITH A FEW TREES ON THE TOP.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A STREAM WITH A WETLANDS BUFFER THAT'S ALONG THIS EDGE THAT WE PLAN TO, TO RETAIN.
UM, AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL THAT'S ON THE SITE TODAY.
THE REST OF IT'S PRETTY MUCH OPEN.
THIS IS THE, UH, EXISTING CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT MS. SHERRY, UH, POINTED OUT.
I'VE KIND OF TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT IN RED KIND OF WHERE THAT LINE OF THIS SITE IS.
AND SO ON THAT SIDE IS A, IS A, IT REMINDS ME OF FOOD LION HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE.
IT LOOKS LIKE A GROCERY STORE AND THEN SOME STRIP MALL.
AND THEN I THINK THAT'S DESIGNATED AS A CARWASH IN THAT, IN THAT LEFT BOTTOM CORNER, THERE WERE TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS HELD WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UH, AS, AS DISCUSSED, UH, THEIR CONCERNS WERE LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERS, THE BERM STORMWATER DRAINAGE TRAFFIC TO AND FROM THE SITE LIGHTING THEY USE IS ALLOWED ON TO BE ONE SIDEWALKS PRESERVATION OF THE VIEW SHEDS.
SO WE'VE TRIED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
NOW, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED.
UM, THE LARGE BUILDING OBVIOUSLY IS THE MINI WAREHOUSE.
THE BUILDING IN THE BACK OF THIS OFFICE BUILDING, UH, IS A HOPE TO BE THE FUTURE HOME OF YOUNG GLOW TYLER AND ASSOCIATES.
WE'RE AN ENGINEERING SURVEYING COMPANY IN MECHANICSVILLE, BEEN AROUND FOR 50 YEARS AND ARE HOPING TO MOVE TO THE COUNTY AS WELL AND, AND BE IN THIS LOCATION.
UM, JUST WANT TO TALK TO A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE, THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE IN RESPONSE TO THE CITIZENS, UH, CONCERNS.
WE PROFFERED THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND A BERM ALONG VILLAGE TRAIL.
WE PROFIT LANDSCAPE IN BUFFER ALONG PARK VILLAGE BOULEVARD.
WE ADJUSTED THE LAYOUT AS MUCH AS WE COULD TO TRY TO AVOID DISTURBING THAT EXIST IN BERMAN LANDSCAPE AND ALONG PARK VILLAGE BOULEVARD.
WE INITIALLY HAD A, ANOTHER ENTRANCE INTO THE SITE FROM THAT WESTERN ROAD.
AND I FORGET THE NAME OF THAT ROAD RIGHT THERE THAT COMES IN.
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THAT ENTRANCE TO, TO KIND OF BUFFER THE SITE AND PREVENT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER, UH, PUNCHING ANOTHER HOLE THROUGH THAT BERM.UM, WE LOCATED IN MANY WAREHOUSE IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S KIND OF IN THE CORNER BACK UP AGAINST THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL SITES TODAY.
WE TURNED IT AND, UH, ORIENTED THE LOADING AREA.
SO IT FACES BACK INTO THE SITE TO TRY TO STREAM IT FROM THE OUTSIDE ROADS.
UM, WE, WE PROFFERED TO EXTEND THE SIDEWALKS DOWN VILLAGE TRAIL AND PARK VILLAGE BOULEVARD.
UH, WE PROFFERED ELEVATIONS FOR THE MINI WAREHOUSE AND SOME QUALITY STANDARDS FOR THE OTHER, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
WE PROHIBITED TWENTY-FIVE USES PERMITTED IN THE B ONE ZONING TODAY.
UM, THE APPLICANT WANTED ME TO WORK ON, WANT ME TO MENTION ON RECORD AS WELL.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT PUTTING SOME, UH, NO TRUCK ACCESS OR LIMITED TRUCKS ON THIS ROAD.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ASSIST AND WORK WITH
THERE WAS SOME OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT LIGHTING, BUT I KNOW WE INCLUDED A CONDITION ABOUT, ABOUT THE LIGHTING.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANTED TO KINDA MENTION, UM, I HAD MY TRAFFIC ENGINEER RUN SOME ANALYSIS ON TRIP GENERATION FROM THE SITE.
CAUSE WE, WE KNEW WE KNEW THE TRAFFIC WAS GOING TO GO DOWN, BUT I WANTED TO SEE REALLY KIND OF BY HOW MUCH, AND ASSUMING THAT GROCERY STORE IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER AND THE CARWASH, THE APPROVED CONCEPTUAL PLAN WILL GENERATE ABOUT THIRTY ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY ONE TRIPS PER DAY, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THAT THAT TRIP GENERATION GOES DOWN TO 371 TRIPS PER DAY.
SO THAT REPRESENTS A REDUCTION IN 2,800 TRIPS OR 88% REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC FROM THAT SITE JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING TO POINT OUT, UM, WITH THAT WE REQUEST THAT, UH, YOU APPROVE THE CASE PRESENTED BEFORE YOU, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF I, IF I CAN.
SO HEIGHT SHOULD BE THE VERY HIGHEST POINT OF THE BUILDING IS SO THAT'S THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
SO IT'D BE THE PEAK OF THE ROOF, I GUESS.
SO THERE IS AN, OUR ORDINANCE SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR LIKE WHAT THE HIGHTEST, SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF ROOF IT IS.
IF IT'S A FLAT ROOF IS RIGHT TO THE FLAT ROOF.
IT FITS A, UM, PITCH ROOF IT'S TO LIKE THE PITCH.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME ORDINANCE.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, UM, MEET OUR REVIEW.
SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, UH, THE MEASUREMENTS OF WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME, UH, EXCEPTIONS, CHURCH STEEPLES, WHICH WOULD NOT APPLY.
UH, THERE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE ALLOWED TO PROTRUDE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO PARAPET WALLS THAT CAN GO UP TO SIX FEET.
SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME OTHER, OTHER OTHER INDICATIONS, EXCUSE ME.
AND I THINK THERE'S SO AS THE HEIGHT WENT UP, WE HAD TO HAVE INCREASED SETBACK AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF YARD SETBACK BETWEEN THAT OTHER BUSINESS USE TO, TO OFFSET THAT, IS THIS A PARTY CENTRAL PLANNING GOT COMMITMENTS OUT OF WELL Y'ALL GUNS.
TYLER IS COMMITTED TO ONE BUILDING, BUT GOT COMMITMENTS OUT OF EXTRA ATTIC AND SOMEONE ELSE FOR THE OTHER.
WE DO NOT HAVE A USER FOR ALL THE OTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDING OUT ON FANTASY TRACK.
WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE ONE BUILDING.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE, THE, UH, THE MANY WAREHOUSE, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A USER YET FOR THE OTHER COMMERCIAL.
IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE DRAMATICALLY FROM WHAT'S DRAWN FROM THE CONCEPTUAL.
NO, UH, THEY'RE THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A FLOOR AREA RATIO REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SITE.
AND SO IT COULD NOT GET ANY BIGGER THAN THAT.
IT COULD POSSIBLY BE SOMETHING SMALLER THAN THAT, BUT WE COULD NOT INCREASE ANYTHING FROM WHAT WE HAVE SHOWN ON THE SITE.
I'LL NOW OPEN IT TO PUBLIC HEARING ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND SAY SOMETHING, PLEASE, DO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES? GOOD EVENING.
I LIVE AT 70 36 BEN HALL CIRCLE.
UM, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AROUND PARKSIDE VILLAGE AND WE APPRECIATE, UM, ALL THE APPLICANT HAS DONE TO TRY AND WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THE REASON I THINK THAT THIS HAS GARNERED SO MUCH SUPPORT FROM OUR COMMUNITY IS THE REDUCED TRAFFIC AS IT RELATES TO THE MINI STORAGE, AS WELL AS THE OFFICE BUILDING FOR THE ENGINEERING FIRM.
UM, WELL THEY HAVE, UM, PROFFERED OUT OR PROHIBITED SOME USES, UM, THAT WERE IN LINE WITH, UM, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BEHIND SECTION FIVE OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THAT A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT BE PROFFERED OUT BECAUSE I
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THINK THAT THAT POSSIBILITY COULD NEGATE THE POSITIVE TRAFFIC IMPACT THAT THE MINI STORAGE AND OFFICE SPACE COULD HAVE.AND THEN IF YOU INTRODUCE A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT THAT COULD NEGATE ALL WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED IN REDUCING THE TRAFFIC.
SO THAT IS, UH, MY MAIN CONCERN, UM, IN TERMS OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE BERM.
AND HERE AGAIN, I APPRECIATE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WORKING TO MAINTAIN THAT BERM BECAUSE, UM, WE FOUND OUT THROUGH THE OUTS APPLICATION THAT THE HOA, MEANING WE AS RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN FUNDING THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT BERM AND THAT PROPERTY DOES NOT EVEN BELONG TO, BUT THE PRESENT PROPERTY OWNER SAYS HIS INTENTION IS TO TRANSFER THE EASEMENT OF THE BERM TO THE HOA.
AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS, BUT PUBLICLY I WANTED TO MAKE THAT KNOWN, UH, THAT THAT WAS WHAT HE EXPRESSED TO US.
AND SO I HOPE THAT HAPPENS ALONG THE WAY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE NO THROUGH TRUCKS, UH, SIGN WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
AND HOWEVER, WE NEED TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT THROUGH VEDA WITH THE APPLICANT, WITH STAFF, OUR COMMUNITY IS AS WILLING TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A VERY UNIQUE POSITION BEING ENGAGED
AND YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ROOFTOPS SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL, MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT.
ROOFTOPS ARE BEING PROPOSED DOWN POUNCEY TRACT ROAD IN GOOCHLAND AND THE HENRY BAKER'S SIDE.
AND THAT GOES TO MY CONCERN ABOUT THE DRIVE-THRU RESTAURANTS.
I SAID, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION.
HI, MY NAME IS MARCIA DASHER AND I LIVE AT 72 80 ELLING HAM COURT.
AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION WITH THE APPLICANT AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US.
UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THINGS BE CONSIDERED FOR THAT SPOT, AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST OPTION WE'VE HAD SO FAR IN TERMS OF IMPACT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I'M ALSO A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT ANYBODY TRYING TO PUT A DRIVE THROUGH IN THERE JUST BECAUSE TRAFFIC FLOW WOULD BE VERY BAD.
AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT, THAT RESTAURANT WOULD BE, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE TRAFFIC BACKING UP OUT ONTO POUNCEY TRACT AND CERTAINLY ON THE PARK VILLAGE BOULEVARD.
I HAVE THE OTHER CONCERN I, I HAVE, UM, IS HAVING THE NO THROUGH TRUCKS SIGNS ON BOTH SIDES, BOTH PARK VILLAGE BOULEVARD AND ON VILLAGE TRAIL.
UM, YEAH, IT BASICALLY JUST PASSED THOSE ENTRANCES INTO HERE IF WE COULD DO THAT SO THAT WE MITIGATE PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, YEAH, WE ARE AN OLDER COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT WALKING THEIR GRANDKIDS, THEIR DOGS, WHATEVER, AND WE JUST ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THAT COMMUNITY AND KEEP IT SAFE FOR ALL OF US.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, MR. BERLIN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THOSE SIGNS AGAIN AND THAT EASEMENT OF THE BERM? IS THAT, IS THAT IT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES.
SORRY, CAN YOU CLOSE THAT? I DIDN'T.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO DO? I'M SORRY.
I THOUGHT I ASKED ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK PUBLIC AREAS CLOSED.
UH, YEAH, SO THAT AREA WOULD BE IN THE BUFFER AND THERE'S BEEN SOME, WE'VE SEEN AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT WHERE WE AN EASEMENT THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY DEDICATING THE RIGHT TO THAT FARM TO THE ASSOCIATION.
WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I THINK MR. GAZER HAS HAD SOMETHING DRAFTED UP AND IT SHOWED US THAT.
AND SO THAT IS THE INTENT AND WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT BIRD.
AND IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT SAID WITHIN A BUFFER THAT WE COULDN'T DISTURB ANY WAY.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE NO THROUGH TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, V DOT HAS THAT ROAD NOW, THEY IT'S ALREADY MAINTAINING IT'S IN THEIR SYSTEM.
I THINK THERE'S A PROCESS THAT YOU GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO, TO GET THAT NO TRUCK SIGNAGE IN PLACE.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ASSIST WITH THAT.
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CAN, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR US.WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE DRAFT OR OVER BECAUSE, UH, THE RESTAURANT, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT THAT'S INTERESTED IN THAT PROPERTY AT.
YES, WE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A USER THERE, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT A DUNKIN DONUTS.
MAYBE YOU SAW THAT OR SOMETHING AT ONCE.
I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THEY, UM, THE, UH, THAT THE RESIDENTS DO HAVE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN ABOUT BECAUSE THAT REALLY WOULD BE A HORSE OF A DIFFERENT COLOR.
UM, UH, I HAVE AN, A DRAFT RESTAURANT THERE BECAUSE THAT WOULD GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
SO I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE, UM, UH, CONCERN.
LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE A USER NOW.
I THINK THE APPLICANT IS UNWILLING TO PROFFER OUT ANY MORE USERS.
WE PROFFERED A LOT OF HOW TO USES AWAY.
AND, AND SO I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT.
NOW YOU SAID THE APPLICANT IS UNWILLING TO PROPER.
IT WOULD NOT HAVE THE DRY ANDREW.
SO I GUESS I'M NEIL FARMER, NEIL FARMER, SEVEN SHADOW LANE.
I'M ONE OF THE APPLICANTS AND I'VE BEEN TRIED TO WORK WITH THE PEOPLE THEY'VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS GOING BACK UP.
I THINK WE'VE GOT 25 THINGS THAT WE PROFFERED OUT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLEASE EVERYBODY.
WHEN I WAS AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, IF THEY WERE 98% OF THE PEOPLE WANTED ME TO PUT A CHICK-FILET THERE AND THEY DID WANT A DUNKIN DONUTS.
I JUST DON'T, IT'S JUST A, IT'S A BALANCED SNACK.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WANT BURGER KING OR WENDY'S OR CHICK-FIL-A AND THAT'S OKAY.
WELL, THAT WAS NOT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAID.
SO IF THAT'S MY POSITION, NOW, IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT BEFORE THE BOARD I'D BE WILLING TO, BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
I'VE PROFFERED 20 SOME THINGS OUT OF THERE.
AND I THOUGHT I DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF THAT.
THANK YOU, MS. SHERRY, THAT THE REZONING INCLUDES THE PIECE WHERE THAT ORIGINALLY ELSA CLUB WAS GOING JUSTICE.
SO IT IS, LET'S SAY OF HAIR AND GRAY.
IT'S THAT ENTIRE PIECE RIGHT THERE.
SO IT IS THE SAME PROPERTY AS THE ELK CLUBS WE'RE DOING, IT'S THE EXACT SAME PIECE.
SO YEAH, IT'S EVERYTHING THERE.
THAT'S EVERYTHING IN THAT, EVERYTHING IN COLOR ON THIS CONCEPTUAL IS THIS THE LAST PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT THERE THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED.
EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN, YOU SAY IT'S A DANG STUDIO.
I BELIEVE ON THIS SIDE OF PANTS THEY TRACK, YEAH.
THEN THE OTHER SIDE IS ALMOST YET WELL ACROSS THE STREET IS IN THE COUNTY AND IN OUR COUNTY.
AND IT IS, UH, A VACANT, UH, RAW, RELATIVELY GOOD PIECE, LARGE PIECE.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT ACREAGE AND SOME, AND SOME SMALLER RESIDENTIAL, BUT SO THERE IS OPPORTUNITY, BUT NOT AS PART OF THIS SIDE OF THE THANK YOU, OF COURSE.
SO THE AMENDMENT OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, I BELIEVE WE APPROVED THAT SECOND.
PROVED YOU NEED A MOTION AND A VOTE ON THE REZONING.
I KNOW THEY DID THAT FIRST THREE OR WE DID THAT FIRST.
I THINK IT WAS THE AMENDMENT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEN JUST TO CONFIRM BOTH OF THOSE PAST FOUR.
NO OLD BUSINESS, NO OTHER BITS OF THE BUSINESS.
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MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING.[10. Other Business - None]
SO ALL IN FAVOR.[11. Adjournment]