* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:48] ONE MINUTE. I'VE SEEN 82ND MINUTE. WE CAN HEAR, UM, GOOD EVENING THURSDAY NIGHT, JUNE 2ND. [1. Call To Order] AND THIS IS THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR GOOCHLAND COUNTY. MS. PARKER, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM TONIGHT? YES, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. UM, I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE [A. Determination of Quorum] AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION [2. Pledge of Allegiance] I LIKE EVERYBODY TO BOW YOUR HEADS AT A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR ALL THE SCHOOL [3. Invocation - Led By Mr. Rockecharlie] CHILDREN AND TEACHES THEY WERE ASSASSINATED LAST WEEK AND THE DOCTORS A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO THAT, UH, THEY HAVE ARRIVED SAFELY IN THE HANDS OF HAVING AND, UH, WE'LL DO SOMETHING TO CURB THIS UNNECESSARY VIOLENCE. UM, WE'LL GO TO, UH, THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. IF EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THEM OVER [4. Approval of Minutes] AND WE'RE DISCUSSING WE APPROVAL. ALL RIGHT. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. UM, CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD. SO THIS WOULD BE FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT ANYTHING BUT NOT CONCERNING [5. Citizen Comment Period] TONIGHT'S ABOUTS, CLOSE THAT MS. PARKER, UM, WE DO HAVE TO REQUEST TO DEFER, UM, R Z 20 21 0 0 0 12. [6. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions, or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings] APPLICATION BY MARKEL EAGLE ADVISORS, LLC, REQUESTING A REZONING OF 85.634 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TO, TO RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. RPU D WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS ON PONCY TRACT ROAD ON TAX MAP, 48 1 0 62 0 48, 1 0 60 0 AND A PORTION OF 48 1 0 67 0. THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATES. THIS AREA IS FLEXIBLE. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A DEFERRAL TO THE AUGUST 4TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THIS REQUEST TO DEFER DOES REQUIRE A MOTION AND A VOTE LIKE YOU. VERY MUCH MOTION TO DEFER. SECOND, ALL FOUR ON FAVOR. I DEFERRED TO AUGUST 4TH. [1. District 4 - RZ-2021-00012 Application by Markel – Eagle Advisors, LLC] OUR SECOND REQUEST TO DIFFER IS RC 20 22 0 0 0 0 3 [2. District 3 - RZ-2022-00003 Application by Truett Real Estate Investments, LLC] APPLICATION BY TRUET REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS, LLC, REQUESTING A REZONING OF 49.372 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TO, TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS ON FAIRGROUND ROAD, APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER MILE WEST OF MAIDENS ROAD ON TAX VAT, NUMBER 43 1 0 4 0. THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A DEFERRAL TO THE JULY 7TH, 2022 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THIS REQUEST DOES REQUIRE A MOTION AND A VOTE MOTION TO DEFER SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE TWO PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION ITEMS, M A J T 20 19 0 0 0 12. [7. Planning Commission Action Items] A APPLICATION BY TOWN SITE ENGINEERING REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REVISED TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION [1. MAJT-2019-00012A - Application by Townes Site Engineering requesting] PLAT FOR A PORTION OF A 98 ACRE LOT SUBDIVISION. THE TENTATIVE PLAT IS REQUIRED BY ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION TWO OF THE COUNTY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. [00:05:01] AND THESE FIRST TWO ITEMS WILL NOT COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THEY WILL REQUIRE A MOTION AND A VOTE. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, FOR THE RECORD, I AM RAY CASH ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HERE IN GOOCHLAND I'LL SPA. BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. UH, THE FIRST ONE, UH, MAY, MAY JT 2019, UH, 0 0 0 1 2 DASH A IS TUCKAHOE BRIDGE. UM, THIS PLUNDERED FLAT REVIEW, UH, WAS BROUGHT TO YOU, UH, PRESENTED ARE APPLICANTS FROM TOWNSIDE ENGINEERING AND MAINSTREAM HOMES, WHO WAS THE DEVELOPER? UH, THE ACREAGE IS 98.2 TO THREE ACRES. UM, THIS IS A ZONED, UH, PROPERTY OF RPD. UH, THE PROPERTY IS HERE ON THE SCREEN. UM, THIS ACTUALLY INCLUDES A RECORDED SECTION OF SECTION ONE OF TACO. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY CURRENTLY UNDER DEVELOPMENT, UM, HOUSES, UH, BUILDING, BEING OCCUPIED AS WE SPEAK. UM, THIS WILL BE FOCUSED ON, UM, ONE PART OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO AS PHASE TWO. UM, AND THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT ARE OCCURRING. WHAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN NOW IS ACTUALLY THE, UM, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UH, ORIGINAL TENTATIVE PLAT. UM, WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL POINT OUT TWO AREAS HERE. UM, THE BLUE ERA IS THE ORIGINAL ACCESS, UM, THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL CONCEPTUAL PLAN ON TILL ROCKVILLE ROAD. UM, THE SECOND ARROW, THE RED ARROW IS, UM, SOME CHANGES THAT ARE REALLY INTERNAL TO THE SITE, UM, REGARDING AN IMPROVED TRANSPORTATION. I MEAN, I'M SORRY, IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN NETWORK TO CONNECT THE TWO SECTIONS TOGETHER. UM, PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL FOR THIS CASE IS THAT THERE WAS NO CROSS CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO SECOND, UH, TWO SECTIONS BY ROAD ACCESS. UM, BUT THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SOME PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION. UM, THIS SCREEN I'LL ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER. UM, THIS SHOWS YOU THE PROPOSED, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAT, UH, AGAIN WITH THIS, UH, CONFIGURATION CHANGE THERE WHERE THE BLUE AREA IS, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY MOVED THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY FURTHER SOUTH ALONG ROCKVILLE ROAD. UM, THIS BIAS CHANGE IN LOCATION AND BECAUSE OF THE INTERNAL STREET NETWORK THAT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED, UM, IT WAS RECOMMENDED. UH, STAFF FELT THAT IT SHOULD COME BACK FOR THE COMMISSION TO EVALUATE, UM, JUST TO HAVE TO SEE THE CHANGES. AND AGAIN, THE RED ARROW THAT'S DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN IS PEDESTRIAN. SO THIS IS A ZOOMED IN PLATT PORTION SHOWING YOU, UM, WHILE REFERRING TO AS PHASE TWO TO THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, ARE THE ITEMS OVER HERE IT'S REALLY TO THE, TO THE WEST, UM, IS THE RECORDED SECTION ONE WHAT'S OCCURRING WITHIN THERE IS ACTUALLY, THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM ORIGINALLY THAT DIDN'T DISPLAY THE ACCESS CROSSING, UM, THE STREAM, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF INTERNAL CHANGE. THE SIDEWALK NETWORKS, A LITTLE BIT MORE FRIENDLY TO THE, UM, HOMEOWNERS WITHIN THE AREA. AND ACTUALLY IT PROVIDES A BETTER CONDEMN PEDESTRIAN NETWORK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, IT'S NOT DEPICTED HERE, BUT THAT, UM, PEDESTRIAN TRAIL HERE WILL CONTINUE UP AND CONNECT TO THE PEDESTRIAN NETWORK. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE IMPOSE CONDITIONS WITH THIS TENTATIVE PLAT TO MAKE SURE THAT CONNECTION OCCURS. UM, AGAIN, THE BLUE ARROW HERE SHOWS THE NEW ACCESS ONTO ROCKVILLE ROAD SUBMITTED EVALUATED BY STAFF AS WELL AS V DOT. UM, WE FELT LIKE THE, UM, THE CHANGE IS ACCEPTABLE, DOESN'T AFFECT, UM, WHAT THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WAS, DOESN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT. UM, THE INTERNAL STREET LAYOUT THAT'S HERE PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE. UM, SAME ACCESS POINT, SAME STUB ROAD, UM, SAME DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO STAFF WAS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, FELT THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS OKAY TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION. SO SUMMARY OF THIS, THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY REZONED, UM, IN 2019, UH, ALL LOTS ARE ON PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER. THERE IS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 15,047 CODE ALLOWS THEM TO GO TO 15,031 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. UH, THE PROPERTY CONDITIONS LIMITED TO THE SITE TO NANNY EIGHT HOUSING UNITS. THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR 98 HOUSING UNITS. THERE'S ACTUALLY 49 IN SECTION ONE AND 49 IN SECTION TWO, WHICH OF COURSE REVISE, UH, AVOIDS THE SECOND ACCESS REQUIREMENT, UM, FOR VEHICLES, UH, STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT THE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED PROPHET CONDITION AND APPEARS TO MEET SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS. I WON'T WALK THROUGH ALL THE, UM, THE CONDITIONS THEY'RE PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT SOME EXPECTED STANDARD CONDITIONS FOR OUR PRELIMINARY PLATS. UM, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE FOR THIS ONE OF COURSE, IS THE FOCUS ON THE CONDITION FOR CONNECTING THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS, UM, THE, UH, ABILITY. UM, THE ONE CHANGE THAT WE DO HAVE HERE IS THERE WAS A PROVISION FOR THIS AND CONDITION 17 THAT WE [00:10:01] WILL BE ASKING FOR, UM, LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING BONDING, UM, DURING THE FINAL PLAT STAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET ANY, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE PROVIDED FOR. UM, AND THEN THERE WAS ONE ITEM HERE THAT I'M TRYING TO FIND, UH, STAFF HAD MADE AN ERA ERROR AND COPYING OVER THOSE, UM, CONDITIONS, UM, CONDITION NUMBER FOUR, CURRENTLY READS ROADS NAMES SHALL BE APPROVED BY GAUGE LYNN COUNTY, WHICH THOUGH MAY BE LEGALLY CORRECT IS NOT VERY GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT. SO STAFF DOES REQUEST THEM THAT WE REMOVE THE S FROM NUMBER FOUR FROM THE WORD ROAD, I'M SORRY, ROADS TO MAKE IT ROAD, UM, JUST READS A LITTLE BETTER, UH, FOR THAT, UM, A LITTLE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT YOU'RE SEEING IT YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT ON THE TENTATIVE CONDITIONS IS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY INCLUDED COMMENTS FROM V.AS WELL. UM, SOMETHING THAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN OCCURRING BEFORE, UM, STAFF FEELS IMPORTANT THAT GET INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY IN ONES WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMPLETE ROAD ACCESS CHANGE, UM, AND BEING THAT IT'S A B DOT CONDITION, NOT A STAFF AND POSE CONDITION WE'VE INCLUDED AS A NOTE. UM, SO NO ONE IS REALLY REFERRING TO IT'S A COMMENT STRAIGHT FLEE FROM V DOT. UM, THIS JUST A BOSS IS THE APPLICANT OF, OF WHATEVER V CONCERN WAS, AND IT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE FOLLOWING POD OR THE FINAL PLAT. UM, SO STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. UM, WELL, UM, SHOULD IT BE AN APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM? UH, NO. SAME NUMBER OF LOTS AS BEFORE SAME DENSITY, RIGHT? WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR MOVING IT? UM, THE MOVING AT FURTHER SOUTH, UH, PROVIDED, UH, ABILITY TO KEEP ROCKVILLE ROAD OPEN DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. UM, SO IMPROVE THE, UH, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. IT SEEMED LIKE A BETTER LOCATION. UM, STAFF DIDN'T SEE THAT IT REALLY HAD AN IMPACT ON ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, UM, OR NEGATED FROM WHAT WE THOUGHT THE ORIGINAL ZONING TEMPLATES HAS APPROVED VIA THAT HAS APPROVED THE RELOCATION. AND THE MORE QUESTIONS WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, AND WE HAD PRESENTED, SORRY, MOTION APPROVED AND SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT ITEM IS M A J T 20 22 0 0 0 0 3, [2. MAJT-2022-00003 Readers Branch Phase 2 Tentative Plat - Application by] READERS BRANCH PHASE TWO TENTATIVE PLAT APPLICATION BY TOWN SITE ENGINEERING REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION PLAT OR A 120 LOT SUBDIVISION. THE TENTATIVE PLAT IS REQUIRED BY ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION TWO OF THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. UH, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, UH, FOR THE RECORD IT'S RAY CASH ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. UH, THIS PRELIMINARY FOR YOU TONIGHT IS A CONTINUATION OF, UH, THE READER'S BRANCH DEVELOPMENT. UM, THIS, AS IT WAS GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND ZONING PROCESS, WE OFTEN REFERRED TO AS THE GILMAN TRACT, UM, OR THE GILMAN PROPERTY. UM, I THINK THIS THAT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD, THIS COMMISSION, UH, MAYBE ONE, TWO TIMES, UH, AS WE WALKED TO WORK THROUGH THIS, UM, IT IS TOWN SITE ENGINEERING AS APPLICANT WAS AS LONG WITH MARKEL EAGLE ADVISORS, LLC, WHICH WILL BE, UM, THE DEVELOPER FOR THE PROPERTY. UM, THEY COULD JUST 49.7. UM, THAT'S INCLUDED WITHIN THE RPD PORTION. IF YOU RECALL, THIS WAS A SPLIT ZONE PROPERTY OF RPD AND , UM, PROPERTIES SHOULD SEEM FAMILIAR, UM, FOR THIS, THIS, THE ARIEL, UM, FOR THIS TO THE NORTH CONNECTION TO UPPERVILLE ROAD TO THE WEST IS ACTUALLY THE DEVELOPING READER'S BRANCH SUBDIVISION. SO IN THE TENTATIVE PLAT, HERE'S THE OVERALL LAYOUT FOR PHASE TWO. UM, I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT, UH, DETAIL AND THE NEXT SLIDES TO GIVE YOU MORE OF A ZOOMED IN VERSION TWO, TO TALK ABOUT CERTAIN ITEMS THAT WE INCLUDE, UM, FOR DISCUSSION, BUT ALSO INCLUDE FOR THE CONDITIONS, UM, THE YELLOW ARROW THAT'S UP IN THE UPPER LEFT-HAND CORNER IS, UM, THE CONNECTION TO WHIPPLE ROAD. IF YOU RECALL, READER'S BRANCH, UM, DEVELOPMENT IS BASICALLY HAS THE NUMBER OF LOTS IT CAN HAVE UNTIL IT CAN OBTAIN A SECOND ACCESS. UH, THE SECOND ACCESS WILL COME, UM, FROM THE EXISTING READERS BRAND'S DEVELOPMENT VIA THIS ROAD WAY. AND IN THE, IN THE SHORT TERM PROBABLY DEVELOP ACCESS THROUGH WHIPPOORWILL ROAD. UM, LONG-TERM THERE IS WHAT WAS REFERRED TO IN THE ORIGINAL ZONING CASES ROAD A AND THAT'S COLADA PARKWAY, UM, ON THIS PLAT AND THAT WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, THAT PORTION, THE BLUE ARROW IS A PORTION OF READER'S BRANCH, UM, PHASE ONE, UM, THOSE HEAVY LINE LOTS, UM, SHOWS YOU THAT THE CHANGE IN THOSE EXISTING [00:15:01] LOTS FROM THAT PREVIOUS TENTATIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY, STILL CONSISTENT WITH THE LAYOUT AND IT'S JUST THIS JUST DONE TO COMPLETE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, THE RED ARROW AT THE TOP IS A REQUIRED BUFFER THAT WAS NOT LABELED ON THIS PLAT. UM, THAT'S PART OF THE RPD ZONING FOR THIS. UM, THE BLACK ARROW OVER HERE SHOWS YOU THIS CROSSHATCHED AREA, WHICH HAS ALL THE ZONED EIGHT TWO PORTION. AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY WAS SPLIT ZONE. THIS 82 PORTION WILL NEED TO BE DEDICATED TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. STAFF HAS, UM, PROPOSED AND IMPOSED CONDITION TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS RECORDED ANYTIME A LOT IS RECORDED ON THIS EASTERN SIDE OF ROAD A OR KALEIDA PARKWAY. THE GREEN CIRCLE IS THE AREA THAT IS, UM, PROPOSED, UM, TOWNHOUSES. AGAIN, THAT WAS A PORTION OF THE ORIGINAL ZONING CASE, THE OVERALL DENSITY, UM, AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT AS 120 WATTS. SO THIS PROPERTY HAS IMPROVED BACK IN MARCH BY THE BOARD, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS REALLY RELATED TO THE TOWNHOUSE 33 60. UM, THERE IS 14.66 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. THERE IS MUCH MORE OF COURSE, WITH THE PORTION THAT COMES THROUGH THE AID TO, UM, UH, THE REMAINDER PROPERTY, AS WE SAID, ZONED DAY TO PLAT INCLUDES PORTIONS OF THE ORIGINAL READERS BRANCH. UM, STAFF FEELS THAT THIS PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED PROFFER CONDITIONS AND APPEARS TO MEET SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS. AGAIN, I WILL NOT READ THROUGH A LOT OF THESE ARE STANDARD CONDITIONS. I WANTED TO POINT OUT THE CONDITIONS THAT IMPOSE OR WHERE WE HAVE ONE MORE CORRECTION WE HAVE TO MAKE. UM, THE BUFFER A LOT OF THE NORTH IS AN IMPOSED CONDITION TO MAKE SURE THAT OCCURS THE CONDITION REGARDING THE DEDICATION OF THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'S ALSO A, UM, CHANGE THAT'S OCCURRING ON IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU KEEP YOU KEEP MISSING IT. YEAH. NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER FOUR. YEAH. NUMBER FOUR. UM, AGAIN, RHODES NAMES WAS INCLUDED BEFORE, SO THEY WERE REQUESTED MENTIONED THAT THAT WOULD BE THAT SHE REMOVED THAT SB REMOVED. WAS THAT THE ONLY ONE FOR THIS 15 NUMBER 15? UH, THE WORD WITH WAS LEFT OUT ABOUT THE DESIGN BE CONSTRUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS, UM, IN THE ZONING CASE. UM, AGAIN, FOR THIS ONE, WE INCLUDED A PROVISION FOR, UM, PROVISION OF SURETY, UH, FOR THE LANDSCAPING FOR THIS. AND THIS ALSO INCLUDES ADDITIONAL NOTES FOR . I WILL SAY, UM, IF I DID, IT SHOULD HAVE POINTED OUT INCENTIVE PLAT, THERE IS A SMALL ON THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND PORTION OF THE LOT. THERE IS A, I MEAN, OF THE PLAN, THERE IS A ORIGINALLY IT WAS A SORT OF A STRANGE SHAPE. UM, I'LL JUST QUICKLY GO BACK TO POINT THAT OUT THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE, IT'S A SMALL LITTLE CALL THE SAC BULB. NOW, AT ONE POINT IT WAS MORE OF SORT OF AN EYEBROW TYPE OF SHAPE THAT, AND STAFF HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS AS WELL. UM, THEY'VE ADJUSTED IT FOR THIS TENTATIVE PLAT THE NOTES THAT COME FROM STAFF AND FROM, I MEAN, CONDITIONED FROM STAFF AND NOTES FROM THE THROMBI THAT WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVENTUALLY THAT MEETS THE DOT STANDARDS FOR APPROVAL. UM, OTHERWISE, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS AND THE NOTES FOR THIS PLAT AND STAFF THAT'S AVAILABLE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE, IF YOU NEED HER AS WELL, CROSSHATCHED AREAS THAT WETLANDS, UM, A GOOD PORTION OF IT IS, IS WETLANDS ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY CHALLENGED AREA, NOT ALL OF IT. UM, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT BASICALLY WHEN WE WENT THROUGH ZONING, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT PROPERTY REALLY WASN'T DEVELOPABLE, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE HANGING OUT THERE WITHOUT SOME SORT OF OWNERSHIP. UM, AND A GOOD MATCH WAS TO BE A PORT THAT, THAT READER'S BRANCH WOULD DO THAT. THERE'S ALSO THE PEDESTRIAN TRAIL THAT WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. SO IT DOES HAVE SOME BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE ALL IN FAVOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS NIGHT IS, UH, 2022 DISTRICT [8. Public Hearing Items] FIVE, 2011, DISTRICT FIVE, CU 20 22 0 0 0 0 4 APPLICATION BY [1. 2022 District 5; 2011 District 5 - CU-2022-00004 - Application by Marion &] MARYANN AND JONATHAN CASTIN BOMB REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT ON 4.5 TO SEVEN ACRES AT SIX 50 MEADOW RIDGE LANE ON TAX MAP, NUMBER 62 31 B SEVEN ZERO. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, RURAL RR. THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15, 1 32 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15, 2 85, [00:20:01] A THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS WE'RE ALL ENHANCEMENT. THANK YOU, MS. PARKER, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I'M JAMIE SHERRY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS A, UH, RE FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY HOUSING UNIT BY MR AND MRS. CASTON BOMB. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTH EAST PORTION OF THE COUNTY. MORE SPECIFICALLY THE, UM, THE MEADOWS AT MANNEQUIN SUBDIVISION, UH, AS MS. PARKER SAID, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED, UH, RURAL RESIDENTIAL, UM, WHICH IS WHERE THE SUBDIVISION IS. AND THEN IT IS ALSO, UM, ZONED RESIDENTIAL LIMITED TO THE EAST, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN D UM, DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREAS. UH, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE, UM, AERIAL OF THE, OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES TO THE HOUSE, AND THEN IT LEADS TO THE BACK PORTION OF, UM, THE LOT, THE ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING, YOU SAID, UM, ACCESSORY FAMILY USE WOULD ALSO USE THE SAME DRIVEWAY. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE ON THE, UM, SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED EXHIBIT A TO YOUR RIGHT. UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE MEADOWS OF MANNEQUIN SUBDIVISION. I THINK I MAY HAVE MESSED IT UP EARLIER. FORGIVE ME. UH, THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING IS A TWO STORY BUILDING WITH AN ATTACHED GARAGE, AND THERE'S ALSO A SHED ON THE PROPERTY. UH, THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT BACK IN 1996 AND IS JUST SHY OF 4,000 SQUARE FEET CURRENTLY. UM, THE ACCESSORY HOUSING UNIT IS MARKED IN YELLOW AND EXHIBIT A, UM, I HAVE IN THE PRESENTATION THAT IT IS, UH, 90 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY SIDE, UM, UH, PROPERTY LINE. IT MEETS ALL THE STANDARDS FOR THE DISTRICT FOR A PRINCIPAL, UM, HOUSING AS WELL. UH, AND I MENTIONED THEY ALSO WILL ACCESS USING THE SAME DRIVEWAY. SO THE, UM, EXCUSE ME, MEADOWS AT MANNEQUIN SUBDIVISION COVENANTS DO NOT ALLOW STOVES AND ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. SO THE APPLICANT IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THOSE REGULATIONS HAS REVISED THEIR BUILDING PLANS THAT THEY WILL SUBMIT TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO HAVE NO STOVE, UM, TO BE, UH, BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COVENANT. THEY ALSO DO NOT ALLOW MORE THAN ONE ACCESSORY BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY. SO, UM, IF THIS IS APPROVED AND THE CAST AND MOMS WILL GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PROCESS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COVENANTS, THEY WILL HAVE TO REMOVE THEIR SHED AS WELL. THE REASON I MENTIONED THIS, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, AS PART OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE DO NOT REGULATE, UM, THAT MATTERS BETWEEN PRIVATE AND, UM, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. THAT'S A PRIVATE, UM, UM, AGREEMENT. SO, UH, OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT DOES NOT RESTRICT A STOVE AND IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT THE, UM, THE SHED BE REMOVED. THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD LAST MONTH. UM, AND, UH, MR. PATTOCK AND MR. ROCCO, CHARLIE WERE IN ATTENDANCE ALONG WITH FIVE OTHER CITIZENS. UM, THE HINTS AT THE MEETING AS PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION MENTIONED, THEY WOULD NOT BE HAVING, UM, A STOVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. UM, NEIGHBORS SAID THEY WERE INITIALLY CONCERNED WITH NON-FAMILY MEMBERS STAYING THERE, AND THAT IT WOULD BE RENTED OR MAYBE USED A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. UH, THE APPLICANTS ASSURED THEM THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE USED FOR FAMILY. UM, SO FOR THE CONDITIONS, UM, THEY'RE JUST OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS, UM, ALLOWING FOR THE USE, UM, LIMITING THE USE TO FAMILY MEMBERS ONI ONLY, AND ALLOWING A RENTAL OF BOTH PROPERTIES AT ONE TIME ONLY, YOU CAN'T RUN ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER, A TO CONSISTENCY WITH THE EXHIBIT, A, UM, CARBON MONOXIDE AND EMERGENCY ACCESS FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. AND, UM, THERE IS A FIVE-YEAR RENEWAL. SO THIS WILL BE UP FOR RENEWAL IN JULY OF 2027. AND THEN LASTLY, OUR, UH, STANDARD TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE FOR QUESTIONS. I'M JUST CURIOUS, THE, A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS A STOVE. I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A COOKSTOVE RATHER THAN LIKE EATING STUFF. UM, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. I THINK W AT THE, UM, AT THE MEETING, THE, UM, AND THE APPLICANT CAN VERIFY THIS. I THINK THEY ALSO SAID A MICROWAVE AS WELL. SO WE DON'T REGULATE THAT THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO PROVIDE PROOF THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THERE. YES, CASTABLE. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME IS JOHN CASTON. MOM. MY ADDRESS IS 6 5 0 METTA RIDGE LANE, MANNEQUIN SABOT VIRGINIA, [00:25:01] 2 3 1 0 3. THANK YOU, PLEASE. I'M HERE TO, OH, I'M SORRY. NO, DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY. I JUST WANT IT TO, UM, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY USE AGAIN. IT'S A, IT'S REALLY A GARAGE WITH A KIND OF A BONUS ROOM ABOVE IT FOR FAMILY. YES. FAMILY NEARBY. RIGHT. I HAVE A FAMILY, SO MY WIFE HAS TWO SIBLINGS THAT LIVE OUT OF STATE ONE IN DENVER AND THEN ONE IN AUSTIN AND MY BROTHER LIVES IN CHARLESTON. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE SPENDING THE NIGHT. THEY MAY SPEND THE NIGHT FOR HOLIDAYS. THEY'LL BE DOING IT WITHOUT A STOVE WITHOUT A YES. YEAH. UNFORTUNATELY THEY'LL HAVE TO COME IN AND EAT MEALS WITH US. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UM, SO I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO SAY. OKAY, MOVE ON. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE. I MOVE. WE APPROVE IT AS PRESENT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. THANK YOU. THANKS MR. MYERS. OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS 2022 DISTRICT THREE, 2011, DISTRICT FOUR C U 20 22 0 0 0 0 5. [2. 2022 District 3; 2011 District 4 - CU-2022-00005 - Application by Alsop] APPLICATION BY ALSOP PROPERTIES, LLC, REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SCHOOL ON 1.543 ACRES AT 1 0 3 7 BROAD STREET ROAD ON TAX MAP. NUMBER 45 1 0 67 0. THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BUSINESS GENERAL AND AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15, 2 42 AND SECTION 15 1 12, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY. THANK YOU, MS. PARKER WE'RE MEMBERS OF MC COMMISSION, TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, UH, AS MS. PARKER SAID, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL, A NEW PRIVATE SCHOOL. UM, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE WOOL VILLAGE, UM, IN THE PROXIMITY OF THIS PROPERTY SHALLOW ROAD, UH, IS THE BOUNDARY OF VOLVO VILLAGE. SO THE PROPERTIES TO THE WET, THIS PROPERTY PROPERTY TO THE WESTERN OIL VILLAGE AND PROPERTIES TO THE EAST OR OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE. AND WITH THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN A DOES RECOMMEND THIS FOR A RESIDENT TO USE, UM, THE PROPERTIES TO THE, UH, EAST OF SALVO ROAD THAT ARE NOT AN OVAL VILLAGE ARE DESIGNATED AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREAS. UM, THE, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE, THERE IS SOME, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONING. UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY INCLUDES BOTH A B ONE AND AN EIGHT, TWO ZONING, BUT IF A BUSINESS AND AN AGRICULTURE ZONING, BOTH, UM, ZONINGS WOULD ALLOW A SCHOOL WITH APPROVAL OF A CUP. SO THE CP ISN'T APPLICABLE TO BOTH TO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, UM, EVEN WITH THE SPLIT ZONING I'VE, UH, UH, ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT LATER ON THE SITE WITH ARROW PHOTO. UH, BUT I THINK THEY ARE, IF I JUST SORT OF REFLECT. UM, SO THERE IS SOME, UH, UH, UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY AND SORT OF SOME LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS PROPERTY, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPOSED USE. UM, IT IS A, THAT WOULD BE A PRIVATE FOR-PROFIT SCHOOL, UH, REFERRED TO AS AN ACTING ACADEMY. UM, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT MAYBE TO DESCRIBE WHAT AN ACTIVE ACADEMY IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF. THEY DESCRIBED IT TO STAFF, A SORT OF A MICRO SCHOOL HOMESCHOOL COOPERATIVE, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE SITE, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS. NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO BUILD ANY NEW BUILDINGS. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING SOME DEMOLITIONS. THE PRIMARY DEMOLITION WOULD BE THE EXISTING FARMHOUSE ON THE PROPERTY. THERE ARE SOME SHEDS THAT ARE ALSO IN THE PROPERTY, BUT THE DEMOLITION OF THE FARMHOUSE, UM, WHICH IS A PREDOMINANT, UM, BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY WOULD BE DEMOLISHED. UM, THERE'S, UH, SORT OF, UH, UH, RETAIL BUILDINGS THAT IT SORTA APPEARS WAN, BUT THEY'RE CONNECTED. UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN OLD ANTIQUE STORE THAT, UM, WAS USED FOR STORAGE. THOSE BUILDINGS WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY REHABILITATED. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A, AN EXISTING GARAGE ON THE PROPERTY. UM, DON'T PLAN TO MAKE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THAT, BUT IT WILL BE CONTINUED TO BE USED AS STORAGE. SO SOME RENOVATION, SOME DEMOLITION AND SOME LEAVING ALONE, UM, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN USED FOR COMMERCIAL USE FOR MANY YEARS. UM, I THINK IS PROBABLY, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE PUMP, UH, THE PLUM PICKINGS OR THE PLUM TREE CORNER. UM, WE'RE THERE FOR MANY YEARS. UM, THIS IS A CHANGE OF USE, UM, IF THEY WERE, UH, UH, IF THERE WAS A NEW COMMERCIAL USE GOING IN HERE, THEY MAY [00:30:01] NOT BE REQUIRED TO DO ALL THESE CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING, BUT THIS CHANGE OF USE FROM THE COMMERCIAL USE TO THE SCHOOL KIND OF ASSEMBLY USE, UM, REALLY NECESSITATES A LOT OF CHAINS FROM BOTH THE BUILDING CODE, FIRE RESCUE CODE AND ZONING ORDINANCE. SO THEY DID HAVE TO MAKE SUBSTANTIAL, SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE SITE, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THIS CHANGE OF USE AWAY FROM A COMMERCIAL, UM, AND TO THE SCHOOL USE. SO IN HIGHLIGHT, UH, SOME OF THE CHANGES FROM THE MAY, THESE ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR SITE CHANGES. UM, THEY WILL BE CLOSING THE BROAD STREET ENTRANCE, SORT OF A HASHED OUT AND RED THERE, UH, DUE TO THE CLOSE PROXIMITY SHALLOW ROAD TO FIX A SUBSTANTIAL SAFETY IMPROVEMENT, UM, BOTH TO ELIMINATE THAT POINT OF INGRESS NEGRESS. AND ALSO THAT PULL ON AND OFF PARKING IS NOT DESIRABLE, ESPECIALLY ALONG ON AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY LIKE BROAD STREET. UH, THEY WILL IMPROVE THE SHALLOW, WE WROTE ROAD ENTRANCE BECAUSE THAT WILL BE THE, UH, UH, THE ONLY ENTRANCE ONTO THE SITE, UM, THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, THEY WILL, UH, DEMOLISH THE FARMHOUSE. THAT'S KIND OF CROSSED OUT IN THE BLUE RIGHT THERE, UM, THAT, UH, WAS BENEFICIAL TO THE SITE, UM, FROM BOTH A SEPTIC CAPACITY STANDPOINT, BY REMOVING THE HOUSE. IT REALLY ALLOWED THEM TO, TO WORK WITH THE EXISTING, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEM THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR USE. UM, THEY ALSO ARE INSTALLING A PLAYGROUND AND THERE'S TWO FENCES. THE, THE FENCE AND THE FRONT PART OF THE PROPERTY IS MORE, UH, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, MORE STATIC, BUT THERE WILL BE A PRIVACY FENCE SORTA, UH, AROUND THE BACK HALF OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AND THE THERE'S AN INSET THERE JUST FROM THE BROAD STREET FRONTAGE OF WHAT THE THREE BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE FROM BROAD STREET. UH, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, SORT OF THIS SHOULD SORT OF, UH, AT THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL REFLECT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE CLOSING OF BROAD STREET. THEY WILL CONTINUE TO USE THAT, UM, FOR PARKING, BUT IT WOULD BE AN INTERNAL ACCESS ONLY. UM, THEY WILL HAVE PROVIDE SOME MORE PARKING ON THE SITE. UM, THEY, THEY WILL HAVE TO DO INTERNALLY. THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS AND PARKING AND, UH, THE, IN BLUE, WHICH SHOWN AN EXCEPTIONAL PLAN, THAT'S THE PRIVACY FENCE THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED. AND THEN ALSO THE PLAYGROUND, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD IN APRIL AND SEVEN PEOPLE ATTENDED. UM, THERE WAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FARMHOUSE AND WHY THAT NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED AND THE, THE SIZE OF THE SCHOOL, THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY. UM, I WILL SAY THAT MOST OF THE, THE, THE REALLY CONCERNS WITH THE, UM, AND THEN I'VE ALSO HAD TO KIND OF SET, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE. THERE'S A SIMILAR THEME. UM, GENERALLY THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE SCHOOL, UH, BUT THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT SAFETY, UM, SAFETY, AS IT RELATES TO BROAD STREET AND SHALLOW ROAD, BOTH AS IT REFLECTS TO HAVING STUDENTS AT THAT LOCATION AND PROXIMITY TO BROAD STREET, AND AS IT RELATES TO, UM, TRAFFIC ON AND OFF THE SITE, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THERE IS A STRONG CONCERN FOR SAFETY AS IT RELATES TO THE PROPOSED USE. UM, IS IT GETTING INTO THE RECOMMENDED CP CONDITIONS? UH, WE'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THESE FAIRLY BRIEFLY. THE FIRST ONE WOULD ALLOW THE SCHOOL USE ON THE PROPERTY, OR THE SECOND WOULD PROVIDE AN OCCUPANCY LIMIT OF 60 ATTENDEES. AND THAT NUMBER WAS ARRIVED AT REALLY BOTH FROM A SEPTIC CAPACITY STANDPOINT AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UM, BOTH WORKED WITH THAT NUMBER. AND THEN FROM THEIR SITE PLAN PROCESS, PRIMARILY AS IT RELATES TO PARKING, THEY'LL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE 60 PEOPLE ONE SITE, UM, THEY WILL HAVE TO GET A POD AND THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO, UH, OPEN THE SCHOOL, UH, UNTIL THE, THE, UH, THE IS APPROVED IN ANY REQUIREMENTS ARE INSTALLED. UM, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO THE EXCEPTIONAL PLAN. THEY SAW IT EARLIER, AND THEN THAT FIFTH CONDITION, UM, RELATES TO THE CLOSURE OF BROAD STREET ROAD ON REMOVING THAT PERMANENTLY. UH, THE SIX ONE WOULD REQUIRE A LIGHTING PLAN AND BE APPROVED FOR ANY NEW OUTDOOR LIGHTING. UM, THE SEVENTH WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, BE SUBMITTED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE PD NUMBER EIGHT, RELATE TO THAT PRIVACY FENCE THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE STALL SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. I SHOWN AN EXCEPTIONAL PLAN, UM, THAT WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONE DETACH SIGN. UM, NUMBER 10 REQUIRES IT TO MEET ALL HEALTH DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS. A NUMBER OF 11 WOULD LIMIT THEIR HOURS OPERATION BETWEEN EIGHT AND NINE. UH, NUMBER 12 WOULD PROHIBIT ANY AMPLIFIED SOUND OUTDOORS. UM, 13 WOULD PROHIBIT ANY PARKING ON BROAD STREET ROAD OR SHALLOW ROAD. AND IF THAT TWO, IF THAT PROVED TO BE A PROBLEM, THEN THE COUNTY STAFF WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO REQUIRE THEM TO PUT NO PARKING SIGNS ON THOSE ROADS, IF THAT'S DEEMED NECESSARY IN THE FUTURE. UM, THIS DOES HAVE A EXPIRATION DATE PROFESSOR JOHN 2027, AND THEN THE LAST CONDITION IS THE STANFORD'S STANDARD CONDITION, EXCUSE [00:35:01] ME, AS IT RELATES TO THE TRANSFER OR LEASE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WELL, IT DOESN'T THE L UH, THE AGE GROUP FOR THE SCHOOL CHILDREN. I WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT TO TALK ABOUT THEIR OPERATIONS. I'M SURE THEY'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU. THANK YOU, MS. . ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WERE NO OUTSIDE AMPLIFIED SOUND. UM, MUCH SCHOOLS NORMALLY ALLOWED TO HAVE OUTSIDE INTERCOMS SHOOTING CHILDREN IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, TYPICALLY WHEN WE HAVE ASSEMBLY USES LIKE THIS OUT, UM, WE IT'S THE AMPLIFICATION. THERE, THERE IS EITHER REGULATION OR PROHIBITION OF OUTDOOR NOISE. NOW, OFTENTIMES A PUBLIC SCHOOL MIGHT NOT HAVE A CUP, BUT, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT OTHER SCHOOLS LIKE THIS, THEY, WE DO, UM, UH, EITHER LIMIT OR PROHIBIT AMPLIFIED NOISE. AND I WILL, AND I WILL SAY THAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS THAT SPEAKERPHONE OUTDOORS THAT WE DO GET CALLS FROM TIME TO TIME, UM, WITH SOME PRIVATE SCHOOLS THAT IS JUST, IT IS PROBLEMATIC WHEN IT OCCURS, BECAUSE IT'S DURING THE DAY. AND IF THERE'S A RESIDENT, THERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT'S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES FROM THE IMPACT ON THE THEY'RE NEARBY. IT SEEMS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR CHILDREN PLAYING OUT DOORS. UH, I MEAN, I COULD, UH, DEFER TO THAT ON WHAT THEY FEEL THEIR NEED FOR IT IS. UM, I GUESS I COULD OFF TO THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMISSION THAT AT 60 STUDENTS ARE SMALLER, THAT IT MAY NOT REQUIRE AMPLIFICATION, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IN MIND, THIS IS NOT LIKE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT MIGHT HAVE 300 TO 400 STUDENTS OR MORE, UM, IT IS A LITTLE SHOULD BE, I GUESS, A LITTLE MORE INTIMATE. UM, OKAY, THANKS. I, I JUST THOUGHT OF ST STRANGE THING. HOW LONG HAS THE EXISTING USE BEEN ABANDONED? UH, THE EXISTING USE, HOW LONG THE, THE, THE PLUMP PICKINGS, THE RETAIL USE, UM, IT PREDATED THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO THERE WAS SOME GRANDFATHERING ON THAT SITE. I DON'T HAVE A DATE WHEN THAT STARTED, BUT IT WAS MANY YEARS. IT WAS A SERIES OF DIFFERENT RETAIL AND ANTIQUE AND ABANDONED. I APOLOGIZE. UM, IT'S, UH, IT IS VACANT AND OUT. IT HASN'T BEEN VACANT FOR VERY LONG, AND I FORGET, APOLOGIZE FOR NOT KNOWING THAT, BUT, UM, IT HAS BEEN FAIRLY RECENT THAT IT'S BEEN VACATED. HI, WE ARE MICHAEL AND CAITLYN ALSO HAVE ALSO PROPERTIES. I'M VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING WITH YOU ALL. UH, FIRST I WANT TO THINK, UH, THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY STAFF WITH, UH, PLANNING, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BUILDING INSPECTION, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN A VERY HELPFUL FOR US. THIS HAS BEEN A GROWING AND LEARNING PROCESS FOR US. UM, AND WE ARE, UH, EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING A NEW, INNOVATIVE TYPE OF SCHOOL OPTION FOR FAMILIES IN GOOCHLAND AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. AND CAITLIN'S GOING TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. WE HAVE LIVED IN GOOCHLAND FOR EIGHT YEARS. WE ARE ENTREPRENEURS. WE LIVE OUR LIFE WORKING OUT OF OUR HOME. OH, YES. I'M SORRY. YES. HE TOLD ME TO DO THAT. WE LIVE AT 2330 WINDY RUN MANNEQUIN. SABOT VIRGINIA, 2 3, 1 0 3. WE ARE A LITTLE NERVOUS. UM, SO AN ACTIVE CABIN, AN ACT AN ACADEMY, UM, IS A MICRO MICRO SCHOOL CONCEPT. AND SO IF YOU WANT TO ENVISION WHAT THIS IS, LIKE, TRY TO ENVISION A PARENT HOMESCHOOLING A CHILD AT HOME AND THEIR KITCHEN TABLE, AND THEN THE CHILD RUNNING OUTSIDE AND DOING A PROJECT WITH THEIR HANDS IN THE DIRT, LEARNING WITH THEIR HANDS FOR A PARENT, WHO'S AN ENTREPRENEUR. AND ONCE THEIR CHILD TO LEARN HOW TO DISCOVER THEIR PASSION, THEY WANT THEM TO HAVE THE FREEDOM OF THE HOMESCHOOL EXPERIENCE, BUT THEY'RE ENTREPRENEURS RUNNING THEIR OWN BUSINESS. THEY CAN'T GIVE THEIR CHILD THAT EXPERIENCE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE TO. AND THAT IS OUR REALITY. AND AS WE STARTED, WE WERE IN THE PANDEMIC WITH NEW BABIES. WE HAVE THREE CHILDREN. UM, THE OTHER FAMILY THAT'S HELPING US WITH THIS, MY SISTER, AND BROTHER-IN-LAW HAVE THREE CHILDREN. WE CAME ACROSS THE ACT AND ACADEMY MODEL. THERE ARE OVER 400 ACTIVE ACADEMIES AROUND THE WORLD. THEY'RE, AWARD-WINNING ACTING ACADEMIES IN WASHINGTON, DC. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE FOUR ACTING ACADEMIES IN THE, UM, VIRGINIA BEACH AREA. UM, THERE ARE NO ACTING ACADEMIES ENRICHMENT. AND SO WHEN WE FOUND THAT, UM, I WENT TO MICHAEL AND SAID, THERE'S NOT, WE HAVE TO START ONE. YOU KNOW, WE, OUR KIDS HAVE TO GO THERE. SO, UM, WE PURSUED THIS, UH, AND WE HAVE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH THE WAY THAT THESE CHILDREN LEARN. THE GOAL IS FOR THESE KIDS TO SPEND 12 YEARS DISCOVERING, TRYING THINGS, FAILING AT THINGS. HANDS-ON LEARNING, TRYING ROBOTICS, FAILING AT ROBOTICS, [00:40:01] FIGURING OUT IF THEY LIKE TO CREATE THEIR OWN BUSINESS. SO WHEN THEY ARE 18 YEARS OLD, THEY'RE GOING TO COLLEGE KNOWING WHAT THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT VERY GOOD AT. SO THEY DON'T WASTE THEIR MONEY AND GO INTO DEBT FOR NO REASON, THEY HAVE FIND PURPOSE. THEY FIND COMMUNITY SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, AND THEY LEARN HOW TO BE EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE LEARNING INSTEAD OF GROWING AN APATHY, WHICH TENDS TO BE A COMMON THEME IN A LOT OF, UM, IN A LOT OF HIGH SCHOOLS AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS ARE SCHOOL, AGE IS RIGHT NOW. UH, WE HAVE 12 STUDENTS AND 12 FAMILIES, 75% OF THE FAMILIES THAT ARE ENROLLED RIGHT NOW ARE GOOCHLAND FAMILIES. AND THEY ARE ENTREPRENEURIAL FAMILIES THAT OWN BUSINESSES IN GOOCHLAND THAT WANT THIS LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR THEIR CHILDREN, BUT CAN'T GIVE IT TO THEM AT HOME. UM, THEY ARE, UM, THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN TO LEARN WITH THEIR HANDS AS WELL, AND TO LEARN, UM, NOT JUST WITH AN ACADEMIC FOCUS, BUT WITH CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A SOCRATIC LEARNING METHOD, WHICH MEANS THESE CHILDREN START THE DAY WITH SOCRATIC DISCUSSION, WHICH IS LEARNING HOW TO TALK ABOUT DISAGREEMENTS IN A RESPECTFUL WAY. AND I THINK OUR CULTURE COULD USE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. UM, SO WE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT AGE RANGES, WE, UM, ARE GRINDING FROM AGES FIVE TO AGE, TO AGES SEVEN. RIGHT NOW THE GOAL WOULD BE TO EXPAND TO POTENTIALLY TEND TO 11 YEAR OLDS, BUT WE HAVE NO INTEREST RIGHT NOW HAVING A HIGH SCHOOL ARE OUR CHILDREN THAT WE'RE STARTING WITH FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OLD. SO WE'RE STARTING AT OUR SKIN IN THE GAME IS OUR OWN CHILDREN. SO FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS A VERY HIGH PRIORITY FOR US AS WELL. YEAH. WE DON'T WANT THEM WANDERING OUT ON BROAD STREET. NO, WE DO NOT. UH, AND THEN THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT HOW LONG, UH, CASEY WITH PLUM PICKINGS HAS BEEN OUT. SHE LEFT IN JANUARY, SO IT'S BEEN EMPTY. AND WE STARTED DOING SOME RENOVATIONS ON THE INTERIOR, UH, SLOWLY JUST TRYING TO CHIP AWAY AT THINGS. UM, THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE IN THE FARMHOUSE, WHICH WAS, IS IN VERY POOR CONDITION WHERE, UM, THEY LEFT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. UM, BUT THEY LIVED THERE FOR FOUR YEARS. UM, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD'VE GONE INTO RESTORING, THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD. AND AS WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE NEED FOR PARKING AND ACCESS AND EGRESS, UH, REMOVING THE FARMHOUSE, JUST ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR SEPTIC, FOR PARKING, RIGHT? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA. UM, BUT I ASSUME YOU'D LIKE TO GROW THE SCHOOL. THIS PROPERTY PROBABLY WON'T SUFFER. IT WILL NOT. AND, AND I WOULD SAY, WE MENTIONED THIS IN SEVERAL OF OUR MEETINGS, THAT IF WE SEE THAT THIS HAS GROWING, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE 12 STUDENTS THAT ARE ENROLLED, THEY ALL HAVE SIBLINGS. AND EVEN IF THE SIBLINGS, YOU KNOW, THEY DECIDED TO COME, ONCE WE HIT 25 TO 30 CHILDREN, WE WILL BEGIN TO ALREADY START PLANNING TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL LOCATION SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR A SEPARATE STUDIO, WHICH IS VERY COMMON IN THE ACT AND ACADEMY WORLD. THE IDEA IS TO BE INTENTIONAL AND SMALL AND TO NOT GROW TO A SIZE WHERE YOU LOSE THE INTENTIONALITY AND INTIMACY OF A MICRO SCHOOL. SO WE, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A LARGE GROUP OF CHILDREN BECAUSE THAT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A SMALL, INTIMATE SETTING. SO YOU WILL KEEP THIS SCHOOL, HAD ANOTHER PROPERTY TO HANDLE. EXPERT-LEVEL POTENTIALLY THE VISION OF THE WAY ACT IN ACADEMIES ARE SO SUCCESSFUL. THEY TAKE THE ONE ROOM, SCHOOL HOUSE MODEL THAT OUR COUNTRY STARTED WITH. AND THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF VARYING AGES. BUT THE THING IS, IF, IF YOU HAVE, YOU CAN'T HAVE 50 STUDENTS AND MAKE THAT MODEL WORK. SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD FIND ANOTHER SMALLER OPPORTUNITY, UM, POTENTIALLY IN THE DIRECTION WHERE MOST OF OUR FAMILIES ARE DRIVING THE FARTHEST. SO THAT WOULD BE CLOSER. WE HAVE FAMILIES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SHORT PUMP THAT ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING 25 MINUTES. WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK MORE IN THE HENRICO AREA. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION. YOU WON'T BE KID THROUGH 12. I THINK YOU'LL PROBABLY BE LIKE KID THROUGH SEVEN OR SIX. YES, FOR RIGHT NOW. UM, AS OUR CHILDREN GROW, WE WILL GROW WITH THEM. AND SO WE HOPE THAT THEY DO THIS ALL THE WAY UNTIL THEY GRADUATE. IF NOT MOM AND DAD HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY INTO SOMETHING THAT THEY, IT'S NOT GOING TO SERVE OUR CHILDREN. SO IT WILL GROW WITH YOU TOWARD COLLEGE PREP, RIGHT? YES. YES. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. A LOT OF ACTING ACADEMY STUDENTS IN LAUNCHPAD, WHICH IS HIGH SCHOOL, THEY ACTUALLY SPEND MOST OF THEIR TIME IN REAL WORLD SCENARIOS DOING APPRENTICESHIP WORK. SO IF THEY WANT TO GET INTO WE'RE WORKING FOR THE COUNTY, THEY WOULD WANT TO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES DURING THEIR SCHOOL TIME, UM, TO WORK AND GET THEIR HANDS. SEE, SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE IN THE REAL WORLD. UM, SO A LOT OF TIMES THE LAUNCHPAD STUDENTS, WE JUST VISITED IN VIRGINIA BEACH. UM, THEY'RE EITHER HELPING YOUNGER CHILDREN, UM, BUT THEY, THERE'S NOT, UM, A SEPARATE HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS. UM, A LOT OF TIMES THESE, THESE YOUNG ADULTS ARE ACTUALLY IN THE REAL WORLD LEARNING IN THE REAL WORLD. I WAS ABLE TO VISIT THE [00:45:01] ONE IN VIRGINIA BEACH AND A YOUNG MAN FOUND OUT HE WAS PASSIONATE FOR MATH, YOU KNOW, READ A REALLY YOUNG AGE AND WAS JUST ROLLING THROUGH HIS MATH CURRICULUM ONLINE. AND HE IS 14, I THINK, AND HAS AN APPRENTICESHIP AT A CPA AGENCY AND IS HELPING LEARNING THAT CRAFT AND WILL KNOW, LIKE IF I WANT TO GO TO COLLEGE, I'LL GO AND LOOK AT THAT DIRECTION. AND IT'S JUST A REALLY COOL PROCESS AND WE'RE EXCITED TO BRING IT TO GOOCHLAND. GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M SORRY. ACTING SCHOOL PROVIDE YOU WITH THE LESSON PLANS PACKAGE WHERE YOU'RE NOT CREATING SOMETHING FROM SCRATCH. NO, SURE. THAT THERE IS AN, IT'S NOT AN AFFILIATE. WE, UM, ARE PART OF A NETWORK OF SCHOOLS. AND SO WE HAVE ACCESS TO IT'S CALLED THE TOOL SHED, UH, WHERE THERE ARE LESSON PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. A LOT OF THE WORK IS DONE ONLINE. IT IS SELF-PACED SO THE STUDENTS CAN WORK AT THEIR OWN PACE AS THEY, UH, PROGRESS MOST. UM, MOST STUDENTS ARE AN AVERAGE OF TWO TO THREE YEARS AHEAD. THERE ARE NO GRADE LEVELS INACTIVE, BUT WHY DO YOU NEED GRADE LEVELS WHEN YOUR CHILD IS THREE YEARS AHEAD OF WHERE TRADITIONAL LEARNING MODELS, WHERE CHILDREN ARE IN THOSE MODELS? SO, UM, AND THE, THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IF A CHILD DOESN'T LOSE THEIR PASSION FOR LEARNING THEY'RE SELF-DRIVEN, AND THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. AND THE FREEDOM MODEL OF THIS IS WHY, UM, WE WANTED A PROPERTY THAT HAD A LITTLE BACKYARD PROPERTY WITH NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE, UH, RAISING CHICKENS BEHIND US, UM, THAT WILL ENCOURAGE JUST OUR, OUR STUDENTS TO REALLY PUT THEIR HANDS TO WORK. UM, SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS JUST ABOUT IN GENERAL, UM, ABOUT HOW WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. I THINK A LOT OF THAT, UM, IS DETERMINED ON HOW FAST WE SEE ENROLLMENT. UM, IT SEEMS LIKE WITH THE CURRENT STATE OF OUR COUNTRY, AND EVEN WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK, THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST, BUT OUR INTENTION IS TO START SMALL BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. THAT'S WHY WE'VE LIMITED TO ONLY 12 AND THE FAMILIES THAT HAVE SIGNED ON AND COMMITTED WITH US. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T GIVE THEM SCHOOL TOURS BECAUSE THE SCHOOL ISN'T FULLY ESTABLISHED AND VERY TRUSTING, LOVING THE PROCESS AND THE VISIONING, UH, CONCERN THE TRAFFIC. HOW MANY CARS DO YOU ANTICIPATE A DAY PARKING AND IT TRAVELING IN AND OUT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO THERE ARE 12 STUDENTS, UM, BUT SEVERAL OF THOSE STUDENTS, I KNOW, UM, MY DAUGHTER AND MY SISTER'S SON WILL BE DRIVING IN TOGETHER. UM, SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 12 FAMILIES REPRESENTED AT ABOUT A 15 MINUTE WINDOW, UM, IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON COMING OFF OF SHALLOW. WELL, UM, IT WILL NOT BE A DROP-OFF LINE. IT WILL BE A PULL IN A PARKING SPOT AND WALK YOUR CHILD TO THE DOOR AND SAY GOODBYE, AND THEN LEAVE. UM, WE HAVE NOTICED, AND WE, WE HAVE DEALT WITH REPAIRS FROM, UM, CASEY WHEN SHE HAD PLUM. PICKINS HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE, LOITERING PARKING THERE, MEETING UP, TAKING CALLS AND JUST PULLING OFF BROAD STREET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAD BROKEN GLASS. WE HAD TO PAY FOR IT WHEN PEOPLE SPINNING OUT IN THE, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BLOCKING OFF BROAD STREET TO AVOID THAT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A GREAT PLAN FOR DROP-OFF AND PICKUP. GREAT, IS THE ACT, IS IT, IS IT A FRANCHISE MODEL? IT IS NOT. IT IS CONSIDERED A NETWORK. SO WE ARE A PART OF THAT NETWORK, BUT THERE'S NO, WE HAVE, SO THERE'S ACTUALLY AN ACTING ACADEMY STARTING IN SOUTH SIDE. UM, THEY, UH, THEY WERE APPROVED AFTER US AND THEY'RE STARTING A LITTLE LATER. UM, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THAT SCHOOL IS A HARVARD GRAD THAT USED TO WORK FOR THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. AND SO, UM, WE ARE AFFILIATED WITH THEM IN THAT WE WANT TO WORK TOGETHER AND BE PARTNERS IN THIS, BUT THEY ARE, THEY'RE SO SEPARATE FROM US. SO WE BEAR THE ACT IN NAME, BUT THEY CHOSE NOT TO THEY'RE CALLED PACE ACADEMY. WE JUST, WE LIKE THAT ACTING ACADEMY IS ACCREDITED. AND SO WE USE THE NAME ACT IN, IN OUR NAME FOR THAT REASON, BUT IT'S NOT A FRANCHISE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NOW OPEN IT TO THE OPEN HEARING. ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK OR SAY SOMETHING. OKAY, WELL, CLOSE THAT DISCUSSION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. HOW SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ITEM TONIGHT IS 2022 [3. 2022 District 5; 2011 District 5 - RZ-2022-00005 - Application by Spruce] DISTRICT FIVE, 2011, DISTRICT FIVE, OUR Z 20 22 0 0 0 0 5 APPLICATION BY SPRUCE HOMES, LLC REQUESTING A REZONING OF 15 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED EIGHT TO, TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS AT AN TURN LANE WAIVERS PURSUANT TO COUNTY'S ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15, 360 ON HERMITAGE ROAD, APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER MILE NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF HERMITAGE [00:50:01] ROAD AND MANNEQUIN ROAD ON TEXT MATT 58 56 0 3 0. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS WE'RE ALL ENHANCEMENT. I THINK IT'S PARK AGAIN. UH, MEMBERS OF THE QUESTION, TOM CALLING THE PRINCIPAL PLANNER AS MS. PARKER SAID, THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES FROM AN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT OR A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO BUILD A SEVEN LOTS OF DIVISION. UM, AND THIS IS LOCATED IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY. UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ALONG SORT OF THE, THE WEST LINE OF HERMITAGE ROAD, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SEVERAL PROPERTIES TO THE, TO THE, UH, SORT OF NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST ARE ZONED AGRICULTURALLY. UH, THERE IS SOME PROPERTY TO THE NORTHWEST THAT IS ZONED RESIDENTIALLY. UM, LOOKING AT, UH, AGAIN, THE, THE, UM, THIS IS IN THE RECORD, THIS IS IN THE, UH, DEEP BRENT HUNT COUNTRY, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, AREA. UM, IT DOES HAVE A ROLE ENHANCEMENT, UH, DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST OF THIS ARE IN THAT DEEP RUN, HOT COUNTRY, UM, UH, UH, COMMUNITY AREA OF THE LAND USE PLAN, UH, AREAS TO THE, TO THE, UH, EAST ACROSS, UM, HERMITS ROAD, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR RESIDENTIAL, UM, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE AND THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, UM, LOOKING AT THEIR PHOTO SORTA REFLECTS. THERE ARE SOME UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA AND OTHER PROPERTIES SORT OF REFLECT A LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL ZONING CHARACTER. UH, WHAT'S A SPRUCE HOMES IS PROPOSING. IT IS A SEVEN LOT SUBDIVISION. UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES SUPPORT A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF TWO ACRES, UH, FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UH, THEY ARE SHOWING AND PROBABLY ABOUT A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF ABOUT ONE AND A HALF ACRES PER LOT, WHICH IS LESS THAN THAT RECOMMENDATION. UH, THANK IF YOU INCLUDED ALL, THEY WERE ALL ANCHORAGE'S SUBDIVISION, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE OPEN SPACE, THE DENSITY, IT WOULD BE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THAT. UH, THE PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE TCSD DISTRICT OR THE TCSD BOUNDARY. UM, IT WILL BE SERVED BY PRIVATE WATER AND PRIVATE SEWER. UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES. UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS DEDICATING RIGHT AWAY FOR THE FUTURE WIDENING OF HERMITAGE ROAD, LOOKING AT THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION THAT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE SUBDIVISION FEATURES. AGAIN, IT IS SEVEN LOTS. THEY ARE PROVIDING A 100 FOOT BUFFER ALONG HERMITAGE RUNT HERMITAGE ROAD, EXCUSE ME. AND THAT DOES SORT OF WRAP AROUND BEHIND LOT SEVEN. UH, THEY ARE PROVIDING A THREE ACRES OF OPEN SPACE AND, UH, IT SHOWS THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION ON THERE, WHICH IS ABOUT 20 FEET. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING A CASH PROFFER OF $9,809, WHICH WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL. UH, STAFF JUST HAS A COUPLE OF CONCERNS, UM, WITH THE APPLICATION, UM, WHILE THEY ARE PROVIDING A BUFFER AND THERE WOULD BE A NATURAL BUFFER. THERE'S REALLY NOT A COMMITMENT TO WHAT WILL BE WITHIN THE BUFFER. THINK THE APPLICATION COULD BE STRENGTHENED BY HAVING A STRONG COMMITMENT TO THE PLANTINGS DURING THE BUFFER. AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND A RIGHT TURN LANE, UH, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE TURN LANE FOR A MINUTE. UM, THE, THE COUNTY CODE REQUIREMENT FOR A TURN LANE IS MORE STRINGENT THAN VEDA REQUIREMENT. VEDA WOULD NOT REQUIRE A RIGHT OR LEFT TURN LANE HERE. OUR CODE REQUIRES THEM BOTH. UM, THE CODE ALSO ALLOWS THE BOARD TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT. SO THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A, A PROFFER THAT YOU'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU IN JUST A MINUTE TO WAIVE THAT. AND THAT WOULD BE THE WAY FOR THE, THE BOARD TO WAIVE THE TURN LANE REQUIREMENTS AS IT GET INTO THE PROFFERS. UH, THE NUMBER ONE WOULD REQUIRE THE PROPERTY BE DEVELOPED SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR, THE EXCEPTIONAL PLAN. SO YOUR EARLIER THE SECOND ONE IS COMMIT TO THE CASH PROFFER OF THE THIRD ONE WOULD LIMIT THEM TO SEVEN. LOTS OF THE FOURTH ONE WOULD LIMIT THEM TO THE ONE ACCESS POINT ON HERMITAGE ROAD. UH, NUMBER FIVE, UH, WOULD REQUIRE THAT 100 FOOT BUFFER. UM, IT, IT IS REQUIRED AGAIN TO BE A NATURAL BUFFER AND THEY WOULD REPLACE, UM, DEAD OR DISEASED TREES. UM, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE REALLY A FIRM COMMITMENT TO THE, TO THE DENSITY AND THE NUMBER OF PLANTINGS. IT WOULD BE IN THE BUFFER. UM, ALL UTILITIES WOULD BE INSTALLED THE GROUND. UH, NUMBER SEVEN, IS THAT THE COMMITMENT TO THE, UH, RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION. AND THEN THE TURN LANE WAIVER, UM, I'VE REFERENCED EARLIER IS PROPOSED AS PROFIT NUMBER EIGHT, OR THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED IT AS PROFIT NUMBER EIGHT. UM, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM, THE KINLOCK AND OVER BRANCH OF DEVELOPMENT HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE. WHAT'S THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK THEY DO BECAUSE DOUBLE BRANCHES RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD. YEAH. WELL, YOU HAVE TO CROSS OVER ON HERMITAGE. I'M JUST GOING TO LOOK THERE. YEAH, DON'T GET LOCKED UP. I LIKE DOVER BRANCH HAS A TURN LANE. THEY WERE BRANCH LOOKS MAYBE. YEAH. [00:55:01] IT'S NOT ALL, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? A TURN LANE OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT. BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS A TAPER, I MEAN TO YOU, BUT THAT'D BE SIMILAR TO THAT. SO WHAT DOES A TURN LANE ENTAIL? I MEAN, INCREASING THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD WITH PAVING OR, UH, WELL, THEY'RE ALREADY DEDICATING, UM, RIGHT AWAY FOR HIM AND HIS ROAD. IT WOULD FIT WITHIN THAT RIGHT AWAY, DEDICATION. UM, WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED WHAT THE, THE LENGTH AND WIDTH OF THAT WOULD BE. YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT SEE FOR EXAMPLE, A HUNDRED FOOT OF TAPER AND A 50 FOOT OF STORE THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, BUT WITH THAT, ABOUT 20 FOOT OF DEDICATION, YOU KNOW, STAFFING ANTICIPATE A TURN LANE COULD FIT WITHIN THAT RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION AREA, CORRECT? YES, SIR. WHAT WAS SO COOL WHEN YOU STATED EARLIER THAT THE, YOUR LOT SIZES WOULD BE ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF? WHAT ARE THE LOT SIZES OF THE SURROUNDING HOMES? THE, UH, THE RR HAS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE, I BELIEVE, AND THIS WAS APPROVED OF THREE ACRES. UM, BUT THE OTHER ONES, UM, I BELIEVE THEIR ACRE AND A HALF DOWN ON EVERY BRANCH DOWN THERE. WELL, AND SEPTIC PURSUING, I'M SORRY, COLONEL WELL IN SEPTIC OR SU WELL AND SEPTIC, OR THAT LOTS OF US GAVE HIM A ROOM FOR A WELL AND TWO DRAIN FIELDS, EMERGENCY FIELD. THAT'S THE MINIMUM SIZE THAT THE CODE REQUIRES. AND WE HAVE SEEN OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF THAT PUT A SIMILAR REQUIREMENTS. SO I THINK THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES, THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE DONE. NO, WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THEY GOT TO HAVE A RESERVE. SO THERE, YEAH, I'M JUST WORTH US AS APPROVED TO GET A HOUSE DRIVEWAY. THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT, LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. UH, I'M JORDAN HUTCHINS, I'M THE OWNER OF SPRUCE HOMES. AND, UM, MY ADDRESS IS 5 7 5 BLUE GOOSE ROAD AND CROZIER 2 3 0 3 9. UM, LAYING HARD. GRUDER, I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER WITH MSA. I LIVE AT 28 35 RAMS CROSSING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, PLEASE. YEAH. SO, UM, THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, UM, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS. SO LIKE THESE FOLKS, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS, BUT, UH, I I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I THINK WITH REGARDS TO, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED THERE, I GUESS, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE TURN LANE, OUR POSITION ON THAT, UM, YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UH, SIR, DOVER BRANCH, UM, THERE ARE SIX SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE ALONG THAT SORT OF CORRIDOR. UM, THERE'S BROAD RUN, FIVE THERE'S DOVER BRANCH, FAIRWAY ESTATES, GLEN SABOT KINLOCK POINT, WHICH WAS MENTIONED AND GOOSE POINT. UH, ALL OF THOSE HAVE MORE AS MUCH OR MORE LOTS THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. UH, ONLY ONE, UH, BEING KINLOCK POINT HAS A RIGHT TURN LANE. SO ALL THE OTHERS DO NOT HAVE A TURN LANE. UM, SO IT WAS JUST OUR THOUGHT THAT, UH, IT WASN'T DIDN'T SEEM COMMONSENSICAL OR, OR NECESSARY NECESSARY. UH, SO OUR W IN, IN THE MEETING AND KIND OF OUR DISCUSSION WITH A FEW OF THE NEIGHBORS, THEY'VE ALSO MENTIONED THAT THEY WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE ONE AS WELL. THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF US NOT HAVING ONE, UM, JUST KEEPING THAT SORT OF RURAL AND SINGLE ENTRANCE, UH, THERE. SO, UM, AND THEN I GUESS THERE WAS ALSO TALK OF, UH, WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION? I'M SORRY. YEAH. THE VEGETATION. YEAH. SO, SO, UH, CURRENTLY ON THE SITE, UH, IT'S VERY WOODED. UH, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF LARGE CALIPER TREES THAT EXIST ON THE SITE. SO, UM, AS WE STATED IN THE PROFFER, OUR INTENT IS REALLY TO KEEP WHAT'S THERE, RIGHT? IF THERE'S ANYTHING OR DISEASED, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD WANT TO REMOVE IT, ANYTHING MAYBE KIND OF SCRAPPY LOOKING. UM, BUT WE CERTAINLY WANT TO KEEP THAT, UH, BUFFER NOT ONLY FOR, UM, WHAT WE'VE STATED HERE, BUT ALSO JUST AGAIN FOR THE, JUST THE AESTHETICS OF THE PROPERTY, WE FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD LOOK NICER AND BE A NICE RURAL, UH, ATMOSPHERE THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO, UM, AND DO YOU FOLKS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HAPPY TO ANSWER YOU ALREADY GOT WELL AND SEPTIC SITES CHOSEN ALL HIS LIFE. UM, SO WE HAVE DONE PRELIMINARY WORK ON A WELL AND SEPTIC, UM, THE SEPTIC, UM, THERE'S BASICALLY, [01:00:01] YES, THEY THEY'VE DETERMINED WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THOUGHT THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT WE EXCAVATE, WE MAY HAVE, WE MAY HAVE STANDARD SEPTIC, OR WE MAY HAVE ENGINEERED DEPENDING ON WHAT WE FIND HAVE FOUND THEM. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. I'LL PUT IT UP TO PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK. OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE THAT, GENTLEMEN. I THINK THIS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT. WHAT WE'VE ALLOWED UP AND DOWN HERITAGE ROAD AND LOOKING AT DELAWARE BRANCH AND KEN LOCK. SO I WERE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR. THANK YOU, MS. PARKER. WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS AND NO OTHER BUSINESS. WE [9. Old Business - None] CAN NOTION YOUR JOURNEY [10. Other Business - None] JOURNEY. THANK YOU ALL. NO [11. Adjournment] HESITATION THERE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.