Jul 06, 2022 BOS Regular Meeting 7-6-22

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JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE MOST AWKWARD 60 SECONDS OF THE MONTH FOR FOR US, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE 2 P.M.

[I. 2:00 PM Call to Order]

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

WE WILL START AS WE DO WITH EVERY MEETING.

WE WOULD LIKE TO START WITH AN INVOCATION.

AND THIS MONTH WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE PASTOR MIKE HENNIGAN FROM VICTORY CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

AND THEN WE WILL BE LED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY VICE CHAIR DON SHARP.

[II. Invocation: Pastor Mike Hennigan, Victory Christian Church]

THANK YOU FOR THIS 4TH OF JULY THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CELEBRATE AS A NATION.

AND WE HAVE SO MUCH TO BE THANKFUL FOR.

WE PRAY THAT YOU GIVE WISDOM TO OUR LEADERS, OUR ADMINISTRATORS, GOD, AND ALL OUR CIVIL SERVANTS.

WE THANK YOU FOR THEM AND PRAY THAT YOU'LL BLESS OUR STUDENTS AS THEY'RE HOME FOR THE SUMMER AND JUST WATCH OVER THIS COMMUNITY.

IT'S IN JESUS NAME, I PRAY.

[III. Pledge of Allegiance]

AGAIN, THANKS, EVERYONE, FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

[IV. Chair's Comments]

I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE FIREWORKS, AND I THINK MR. CARPENTER WILL BE SPEAKING ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THE FIREWORKS WITH MY 11 YEAR OLD AND SEVEN YEAR OLD NIECES AND FIVE YEAR OLD NEPHEW WHO HAD NEVER SEEN FIREWORKS BEFORE, NOR HAVE THEY EVER BEEN ABLE TO GET UP CLOSE TO THE FIRE TRUCKS AND AMBULANCES AND REAL FIREMEN AND WOMEN.

SO, NEEDLESS TO SAY, I HAVE REALLY WIDENED THE GAP ON FAVORITE UNCLE STATUS BECAUSE OF THAT.

I WAS REALLY AWESTRUCK TO SEE SO MANY FAMILIES COME OUT AND WHAT AN AMAZING SHOW OF COMMUNITY.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, AFTER GETTING HOME AND THEN GETTING UP THE NEXT MORNING AND TURNING ON THE NEWS, YOU COULD SEE THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY WEREN'T SO FORTUNATE AND HAD A LOT OF BAD THINGS GOING ON.

SO I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO PRAY FOR PEACE AND HEALING FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES.

AND AS THE COUNTRY CONTINUES TO DIVIDE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL LAST WINTER WHEN MR. SHIBATA AND MISS HOBBS CAME TO SPEAK AT THE MEETING AND THEY ISSUED A COMPLAINT.

THE COMPLAINT WAS HOW I ENGAGE WITH MISS HOBBS AFTER THE RD TO TOWN HALL.

THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT MOMENT FOR GOOCHLAND COUNTY BECAUSE THAT HAD THE POTENTIAL TO CONTINUE TO DIVIDE US.

BUT IN TRUE GOOCHLAND SPIRIT, WE DECIDED TO GET TOGETHER AND COME TOGETHER.

AND I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT MR. SHIBATA, MS..

HOBBS, MR. LUMPKIN, AS MYSELF AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, HAVE BEEN MEETING SINCE THEN, AND IT'S BEEN A REALLY TRUE TESTAMENT TO WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO WHEN THEY COME TOGETHER.

SO WE GOT TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS AND THEIR PERSPECTIVES AND THEY ALSO GOT TO HEAR OURS.

AND MY HOPE IS THAT THIS CAN GO BEYOND JUST THE BORDERS OF OUR COUNTY, BUT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND FOR THE WORLD, THAT IT'S THIS KIND OF DIALOG THAT WE NEED TO BE ENGAGING IN TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY WE NEED TO.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR THIS MONTH.

IT IS NOW MY HONOR TO REQUEST OUR GOOD FRIEND, MR. ALVAREZ, COME DOWN AND MEET ME.

HE'S HERE. THERE HE IS.

HE'S HIDING IN THE BACK.

[V. Presentation of Resolution of Appreciation to Manuel Alvarez, Jr.]

MR.. YES. OKAY.

I'M GOING TO READ JUST A SHORT LIST OF SOME OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

SO I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO GET COMFORTABLE THIS.

THIS IS GOING TO TAKE QUITE A WHILE.

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AND. WHEREAS, MR. ALVAREZ BROUGHT MANAGEMENT LEVEL EXPERTISE AND LEADERSHIP AS INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AFTER HAVING SPENT MANY YEARS WORKING IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND EIGHT YEARS AS A GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER.

AND. WHEREAS, MR. ALVAREZ HAS CONTRIBUTED IMMEASURABLY TO FURTHER THE SUCCESS OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY TO INCLUDE THE HIRING OF SEVERAL KEY LEADERSHIP ROLES, INCLUDING THE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES, THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE.

AND HE PRESENTED A BALANCED BUDGET OF 124 MILLION FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2023.

HE PROMOTED TEAM EFFORT IN UPCOMING PROJECTS WITH SCHOOLS.

HE CONTINUED THE FURTHERANCE OF BROADBAND EXPANSION THROUGH PROJECTS WITH THE COUNTY'S PARTNERS AND HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN THE PROCESS FOR REVAMPING THE COUNTY'S COMMUNITY SKATEPARK.

AND. WHEREAS, MR. ALVAREZ WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN FINALIZING THE RESTRUCTURING OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND ADOPTION CENTER, AS WELL AS ANIMAL PROTECTION, INCLUDING HIRING THE NEW ANIMAL CONTROL DIRECTOR AND STRENGTHENING THE LEADERSHIP RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND ITS COMMUNITY PARTNER.

GOOCHLAND PET LOVERS.

AND. WHEREAS, MR. ALVAREZ IMMEDIATELY AND GRACIOUSLY UNDERTOOK THE LEAD ROLE IN PRESENTING THE COUNTY'S REFERENDUM EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO RESIDENTS AT OVER A DOZEN DIFFERENT MEETINGS, WHICH CONTRIBUTE TO THE COUNTY'S UNPARALLELED SUCCESS IN PASSING THE FIRST EVER GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND REFERENDUM WITH ONE OF THE HIGHEST VOTER APPROVAL PERCENTAGES OF OVER 80% FOR A REFERENDUM IN VIRGINIA.

AND. WHEREAS, MR. ALVAREZ'S LEADERSHIP INSIGHT AND EFFORT SIGNIFICANTLY ENHANCED THE COUNTY'S DECENNIAL REDISTRICTING PROCESS, WHICH RESULTED IN THE ADOPTION OF SIGNIFICANTLY REVISED ELECTION DISTRICTS IN OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FROM RESIDENTS, POLITICAL PARTIES AND THE BOARD.

AND. WHEREAS, MR. ALVAREZ, THROUGH HIS EFFORTS, WAS ABLE TO FINALIZE THE PURCHASE OF REAL ESTATE FOR THE LOCATION OF A FUTURE FIRE STATION IN DISTRICT TWO, WHICH HAD BEEN A PRIORITY TASK FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR MR. ALVAREZ FOR MANY YEARS.

AND. WHEREAS, MR. ALVAREZ HAS PROVIDED UNWAVERING SUPPORT FOR FIRE, RESCUE AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, INCLUDING NEW PERSONNEL, BOTH VOLUNTEER AND CAREER ENHANCED VOLUNTEER INCENTIVES, AND A CAREER COMPETITIVE PAY PLAN, NEW EQUIPMENT, A NEW LADDER TRUCK, SEVERAL NEW AMBULANCES, A NEW WATER RESCUE BOAT, FIRE RESCUE TRAINING CENTER IMPROVEMENTS FINALIZED TWO NEW FIRE STATION FUTURE SITES, A CO-OP PLAN TO NAME JUST A FEW.

AND WHEREAS, MR. ALVAREZ HAS BEEN A STEADFAST SUPPORTER OF THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE DURING HIS TENURE, WORKING CLOSELY WITH SHERIFF CREASY TO ENSURE THE CITIZENS OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY RECEIVE THE VERY BEST LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES.

AND. WHEREAS, MR. ALVAREZ TENURE MADE FOR A SMOOTH TRANSITION FOR GOOCHLAND COUNTY'S NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MR. VIC CARPENTER.

AND. WHEREAS, MR. ALVAREZ STEPPED INTO THE LEADERSHIP ROLE AS AN INTERIM AND IMPROVED, IMPROVED EMPLOYEE MORALE AND PROVIDED NECESSARY LEADERSHIP AND GUIDANCE OVER HIS TENURE, HE LED WITH POSITIVITY, GRACE AND HUMOR AND PROVIDED CONFIDENCE TO STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY THAT GOODSON WAS CONTINUING TO MOVE IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS AND STAFF WISHES TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK MR. ALVAREZ FOR HIS SERVICE AND LEADERSHIP WHILE SERVING AS INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND OFFERS ITS BEST WISHES FOR HIM NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.

SIGNED NEAL SPOONER, CHAIR, GOOCHLAND COUNTY SUPERVISORS BOARD.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIR I MOVE WE APPROVE RESOLUTION AS READ.

SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

HI, MR. ALVAREZ. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL.

SO THERE WAS A KEN WAS READING THIS, I WAS THINKING OF A PRESIDENT WHO SAID ONE TIME TO A CITIZEN, YOU DIDN'T DO THAT.

I DIDN'T DO THIS.

I DIDN'T DO THIS. THIS IS REALLY THE MY LAST TEN MONTHS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED NOW WITH GOOCHLAND COUNTY FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS.

ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO, ABOUT THIS TIME I WAS RUNNING FOR ELECTION.

I WASN'T SURE THAT I EVEN HAD A SHOT, BUT IT WORKED OUT.

AND THEN EIGHT YEARS LATER, I DECIDED TO RETIRE AS YOU AS YOU ALL KNOW.

AND THIS OPPORTUNITY WAS LIKE A GODSEND, BECAUSE I THINK I GOT TO SEE A PART OF THE COUNTY THAT I DIDN'T SEE FROM THE

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AND IT WAS IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST REWARDING.

I'VE HAD A TEN YEAR CAREER BEFORE I STARTED AT FILLMORE IS 40 YEARS AGO NOW, THEN 30 YEARS OF PHILLIP MORRIS AND THEN EIGHT YEARS ON THE BOARD IN THIS.

AND I THINK THE LAST TEN YEARS HAVE BEEN THE MOST REWARDING FOR ME.

AS YOU KNOW, AS THE SUPERVISOR, IT WAS ALMOST A VOLUNTEER JOB.

WELL, IT WASN'T A JOB. IT WAS WORK.

BUT THESE LAST TEN MONTHS HAVE BEEN TERRIFIC.

AND NONE OF THIS COULD HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AND A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT IN THE ROOM.

BUT THE REDISTRICTING LED THE EFFORT REFERENDUM.

BARBARA LED IT.

AND IT WAS JUST A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH THESE FOLKS AND WORK FOR A COUNTY.

AND I AND I UNDERSTAND TOTALLY WHY THEY DECIDED TO COME OUT HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEBODY WHO LEFT HIS HOME COUNTRY SOME 54 YEARS AGO, THIS IS REALLY MY HOME.

AND I NEVER THOUGHT WHEN I WAS GROWING UP THAT I WOULD END UP IN AMERICA, FIRST OF ALL.

AND THEN WHAT THE HECK WAS GOOCHLAND? YOU KNOW, BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE MY HOME.

AND I THINK PROBABLY THE PLACE WHERE I'LL BE BURIED OR SCATTERED ONE DAY.

SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS RECOGNITION.

AND I HOPE THIS IS THE LAST ONE, BUT.

THE REAL REASON.

ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE HERE? SO CENTER RIGHT HERE. WHAT WAS IT LIKE THIS WAY, RIGHT HERE FOR YOU TO SAY? BE READY. ONE, TWO, THREE.

AND ONE MORE. THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU. DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

YOU SURE YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

HE'S BEEN HOLDING THESE.

I KNOW THE DRILL. OKAY.

I JUST PERSONALLY WANTED TO COME HERE AND JUST TELL YOU THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO THAT YOU HAVE DONE AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO IN OTHER WAYS.

BUT THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND GOOCHLAND COUNTY.

AND I'M HERE JUST TO PRESENT TO YOU ANOTHER PLAN WITH OUR GREATEST APPRECIATION PRESENTED TO MANNY ALVAREZ IN RECOGNITION OF YOUR STEADFAST COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND GOOCHLAND COUNTY.

THANK YOU FOR MYSELF AND THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

AMAZING. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU A LOT.

ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT ORDER OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING JULY AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH.

MISS BUSQUETS.

[VI. Presentation of Resolution Designating July as Parks and Recreation Month]

AND. WHEREAS, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT PROMOTES HEALTH AND WELLNESS, IMPROVING THE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND. WHEREAS, THE DEPARTMENT FACILITATES AND PROMOTES TIME SPENT ENGAGED IN PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, WHICH POSITIVELY IMPACTS MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH.

AND. WHEREAS, THE DEPARTMENT'S FACILITIES PROVIDE SPACE FOR SPORTS, WALKING TRAILS AND MANY OTHER ACTIVITIES DESIGNED TO ENCOURAGE ACTIVE AND ENGAGED LIFESTYLES. AND.

WHEREAS, THE DEPARTMENT'S GROWING PROGRAMING AND EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS OUT-OF-SCHOOL TIME PROGRAMING, YOUTH SPORTS AND ENRICHMENT OPPORTUNITIES SUPPORT CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT THROUGH INTERPERSONAL ENGAGEMENT AND TEAM PLAY.

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AND. WHEREAS, OUR COUNTY'S PARKS AND NATURE AREAS PROVIDE A PLACE FOR INDIVIDUALS AND GROUPS TO CONNECT WITH THE OUTDOORS.

AND. WHEREAS, GOOCHLAND COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION HAS PROVIDED SERVICES FOR OVER 4500 PROGRAM REGISTRANTS AND OVER 450,000 VISITORS DURING FISCAL YEAR 2022.

AND. WHEREAS, THE US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAS DESIGNATED JULY AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH.

AND. WHEREAS, GOOCHLAND COUNTY IS PROUD TO RECOGNIZE THE MANY BENEFITS DERIVED FROM THE WORK OF OUR DEPARTMENT STAFF AND FROM OUR COMMUNITY'S ACCESS TO THE FACILITIES OPERATED BY OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THAT JULY IS RECOGNIZED AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH IN THE COUNTY.

THANK YOU, MR. MOSKOWITZ.

BOARD CAN I HAVE A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MOTION.

I MEAN, THE RESOLUTION HAS READ.

THANK YOU. SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

PLEASE SAY HI. HI.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU. NOW.

JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THIS.

THIS IS A NATIONAL MONTH IN OUR PUTS ON PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH EVERY YEAR IN JULY.

AND SO WE HAVE SOME THINGS COMING UP THAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED WE'LL BE DOING THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF JULY TO JUST TRY AND GET PEOPLE MORE ACTIVE AND MORE OUT INTO OUR PARK SYSTEM. BUT I JUST WANTED TO THANK OUR STAFF ARE ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.

I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF THE STORMS THAT CAME THROUGH A FEW WEEKS AGO AND THE GROUNDS CREW AND KARL LEADING THAT WAS VERY QUICKLY ABLE TO GET ALL OF THE DAMAGE UP SO PEOPLE COULD GET BACK OUT INTO THE PARKS AND ENJOY.

PEOPLE WERE REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT WANTING TO GET BACK INTO TUCKER PARK, SO MUCH SO THAT WE HAD TO HAVE SOMEONE STAGED DOWN THERE SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T COME UP ON THE EQUIPMENT AS WE WERE TRYING TO CLEAR THE TRAILS.

SO THIS IS JUST REALLY APPRECIATED ON BEHALF OF STAFF.

SO THANK YOU. AND COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOUR WHO'S WITH YOU? SURE. YEAH. SO THIS IS ANGELIA MILLER.

SHE'S OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF RECREATION AND KARL LACEY, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS.

THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOU DO.

THANK YOU.

YOU GUYS.

ONE, TWO, THREE.

ONE. YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. NOW, IT IS MY HONOR TO ASK MR. CARPENTER TO GIVE US HIS COMMENTS FOR THE MONTH.

[VII. County Administrator's Comments]

A FEW COMMENTS FOR YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND YOU FOR DOING TWO GREAT THINGS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

THE FIRST WAS YOU'VE GIVEN ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY, AND FOR THAT, I'M GRATEFUL AND I APPRECIATE.

THE SECOND THING IS THANKING YOU FOR HAVING THE FORESIGHT TO ALLOW ME TO FOLLOW MR. ALVAREZ. I COULD NOT HAVE A REQUESTED OR DREAMED OF A BETTER PERSON TO COME AFTER.

AND AS THE RESOLUTION INDICATED, HE HAS DONE SUCH A GOOD JOB IN PREPARING THE WAY FOR ME THAT, GOSH, THIS IS LIKE A DREAM.

SO, MANNY, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR THIS, FOR THIS COUNTY, THE CITIZENS, AND EVEN FOR MYSELF IN HELPING TO MAKE THIS A SEAMLESS TRANSITION.

AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A GREAT COMMUNITY IS ALWAYS HAS ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT OUR FIREWORKS.

THOSE OF YOU THAT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND IT IS AN AMAZING SHOW AND IT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF A COUPLE OF THINGS.

A THE WEATHER IS ALWAYS BEAUTIFUL AND GOOCHLAND COUNTY BE THE TEAM WE HAVE WORKING TOGETHER IS JUST THAT.

IT'S A GREAT TEAM. BETWEEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, FIRE AND EMERGENCY PARKS AND REC AND THE VARIETY OF OTHER ENTITIES ARE OUT THERE WENT OFF SEAMLESSLY AND SMOOTHLY.

OVER 5500 PEOPLE PARTICIPATED IN VIEWING THAT.

WE KNOW, OF COURSE, YOU'RE PROBABLY 10,000 ACROSS THE RIVER FROM WHAT I COULD SEE, AND THE OTHER COUNTIES.

BUT WE DON'T COUNT THE OTHER COUNTIES, THE ONLY KIND OF COHESIVE COUNTY.

AND IT WAS A GREAT EVENT.

AND SO THANK YOU TO THE TEAM THAT PUT THAT ON AND THANK YOU TO THE BOARD FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY.

THAT'S MY REPORT. THANK YOU, MR. GOVERNOR. ALL RIGHT.

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THIS IS A TIME FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THE BOARD FOR 3 MINUTES ON ANY TOPICS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA.

IF YOU PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE, MAKE SURE THAT THE IT'S GREEN AND THAT WE HAVE, WHY AM I BEING LOOKED AT? OH, I'M SORRY.

HANG ON, PAN WAY.

I ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK BEFORE WE GET TO OUR CITIZEN COMMENT THIS WE HAVE OUR REQUEST TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEMS, ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS OR CHANGES IN THE ORDER STAFF WISHES TO DEFER ITEM 13.1 TO THE SEPTEMBER 6TH BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEETING.

[VIII. Requests to Postpone Agenda Items and Additions, Deletions or Changes in the]

ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AROUND SEEING? THEN WE ARE GOOD TO GO.

NOW WE WILL DO THIS.

SO IF YOU CAN COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SPEAK FOR 3 MINUTES AND THE LIGHT WILL GO OFF WHEN YOU HAVE A MINUTE AND THEN IT'LL TURN RED AND

[IX. Citizen Comment]

MY NAME IS PAMELA JOHNSON.

I LIVE AT 41513 RIDGE DRIVE, LOUISA, VIRGINIA, WHICH IS IN THE HAYNESVILLE AREA OF RICHLAND COUNTY.

I'M HERE AS CHAIRMAN OF THE ELECTORAL BOARD.

I'VE RECEIVED A FEW PHONE CALLS AND THE REGISTRAR RECEIVED PHONE CALLS AND A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE RECEIVED PHONE CALLS ON THE DAY THAT THERE WAS NOT A PRIMARY IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY. AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE THAT WE ARE NO LONGER IN THE SEVENTH DISTRICT.

HALLELUJAH, BUT WE ARE IN THE FIFTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT WE WERE NOT HAVING A PRIMARY.

BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT WE WERE AND THEY WERE VERY UPSET.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY AGAIN, TODAY WE ARE NO LONGER IN THE SEVENTH DISTRICT, WE ARE IN THE FIFTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, AND WE WILL VOTE FOR A NEW CONGRESSMAN OR A TO REELECT OR FOR A NEW CONGRESSMAN IN NOVEMBER, BEFORE NOVEMBER.

AND I MENTIONED LAST MONTH WHEN I CAME IN FROM KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF NEW PRECINCTS.

AND SO YOU NEED TO KEEP I WOULD ASK YOU ALL AS A BOARD AND ASK EVERYBODY HERE AND ASK ANYBODY WHO IS WATCHING ON THE TELE ON THEIR COMPUTER TO PLEASE REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE WILL HAVE NEW PRECINCTS.

AND I REMINDED LAST MONTH THAT THE CARDS THAT WENT OUT WERE NOT ACCURATE.

THE NEW CARDS WILL GO OUT AND IT WILL BE ACCURATE.

WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAKE THE VOTING IN NOVEMBER AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES FOR THAT AND ALSO TO WELCOME MR. CARPENTER. WELCOME TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY, THE BEST COUNTY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

THANK YOU, MISS JOHNSON. THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE ONE TO KRISTEN AND JAMES.

1210 BROAD STREET ROAD ORVILLE.

I WAS PLANNING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT TRASH, BUT YOU WILL RECALL THAT ON JUNE THE 17TH I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL REGARDING THE TRASH ALONG BROAD STREET AND SOME OF THE OTHER ROADS, PARTICULARLY IN MY AREA.

I SENT NEIL AN EMAIL THIS PAST WEEKEND ABOUT TRASH AGAIN, PARTICULARLY FROM MY ADDRESS DOWN TO PLUM TREE CORNER, AND I WONDERED WHETHER OR NOT THE VDOT WAS PICKING UP TRASH PRIOR TO MOWING LIKE THEY HAD BEEN IN THE IN THE LATELY.

BUT ANYWAY, I'VE TALKED WITH THE VDOT GENTLEMAN HERE TODAY.

HE TELLS ME THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PICKED UP BEFORE THE MOWING WAS DONE.

IT WAS NOT.

IF YOU MOVE WENT FROM MY HOUSE TO SHALLOW WELL ROAD, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THERE'S GREEN MATERIAL OF SOME SORT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CANVASS OF WHAT IT WAS, BUT IT WAS NOT PICKED UP AND IT'S STILL THERE.

BELOW THE CHINESE CHURCH THERE WAS A SLEW OF TRASH, AND PREVIOUSLY IN MY FIELD AND IN THE FIELD NEXT TO ME, MY SISTER IN LAW PICKED UP.

I HAD SAID 21 CONCRETE BAGS, BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE 26.

AND THAT WAS ANOTHER BIG PLASTIC BAG FILLED WITH SOMETHING.

HER PICKER COULDN'T PICK IT UP.

I DIDN'T PICK IT UP BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW THESE DAYS WHAT'S IN IT.

BUT ANYWAY.

AND SO MY NEPHEW FINALLY PICKED IT UP.

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SO. BUT ANYWAY, THIS GENTLEMAN HAS TOLD ME THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE PICKED IT UP BEFORE THEY MOWED, BUT IT WAS NOT DONE.

SO I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT.

BUT I WILL KEEP ON TRASH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JAMES.

OOPS.

JOHNSON NOW 1521 MAN AND CAN ROW.

THIS YEAR I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE MOUNTAIN COUNCILWOMAN WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT, THE GOOCHLAND FARM BUREAU DIRECTOR AND ALSO MANAGING DIRECTOR OF HIGHWAY INFORMATION MEDIA, WHICH IS A TOURISM ASSISTANCE COMPANY.

YOU THREW ME A CURVEBALL WHEN YOU POSTPONED THE TOURISM PRESENTATION, BUT IF I DON'T WORK FROM A SCRIPT, IT GETS UGLY.

SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF FOLLOW MY NOTES HERE.

I REALLY DO WANT TO COMMEND THE BOARD AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE FOR PURSUING TOURISM AS AS A INDUSTRY.

I WAS ACTUALLY INVITED OR GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION BY STAFF PRIOR TO ITS COMPLETION, AND IT'S IMPRESSIVE.

THAT'S A LITTLE FORESHADOW THERE.

YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE WHAT YOU SEE.

MY ONE COMMENT TO THEM WAS, START WITH WHAT YOU'RE GOOD AT.

DON'T TRY AND RUN YOUR ENTIRE MARATHON IN THE FIRST MILE.

YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE RUN ONE MILE AND DO IT 26 TIMES.

WHAT I THINK GOOCHLAND IS GOOD AT IS THAT THE 4TH OF JULY, I THOUGHT, WAS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.

AND MR. CARPENTER, WE DO WANT PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTIES COMING HERE, SPENDING MONEY AND THEN GOING HOME.

BUT THAT IS NOT A BAD THING FOR TOURISM.

I THINK GOOCHLAND DAY WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL AND ALSO SOMETHING THAT IS AN EVENT.

WE HAVE THE WINERIES AND BREWERIES AGRITOURISM.

WE GOT THE FARMERS MARKETS AGRITOURISM, SUNFLOWER FESTIVAL.

ALL OF THOSE FARMS PUTS ON AGRITOURISM.

YOU'VE SEEN A PATTERN HERE.

RANDWICK, SPRING JUBILEE AND FALL FESTIVAL ALSO AGRITOURISM WITH 85% OF THE COUNTY AND OPEN MR. PUMPKINS RURAL.

THERE IS OPPORTUNITY I THINK, TO SEE AGRITOURISM DEVELOPED AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT WHEN YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION.

I WAS GOING TO GIVE EVERYBODY TODAY A LITTLE STICKER THAT SAYS I AM TOURISM.

RICHMOND REGION TOURISM DOES IT.

I WAS NOT GOING TO GIVE ONE TO MR. CARPENTER BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID.

YOU THINK IT SAYS I AM A TOURIST AND WE WANT HIM TO STICK AROUND.

WE DON'T WANT HIM LEAVE IN ANY TIME SOON.

BUT WHAT I DID BRING YOU, MR. CARPENTER, ARE SOME VIRGINIA'S FOR LOVERS ITEMS, BECAUSE HAVING BEEN BORN AND RAISED IN SOUTH CAROLINA, WE GOT SOME EVANGELISM TO DO HERE.

I THINK WE NEED TO GET YOU TO UNDERSTAND.

SO WITH YOUR PERMISSION, YOU DID ALSO GAVE YOUR FARM HERE IN CASS.

WHILE GOOCHLAND COUNTY MAY BE AT THE BEGINNING OF SOME OF ITS TOURISM EFFORTS.

THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA IS WELL ESTABLISHED AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL INVITE YOUR SOUTH CAROLINA FRIENDS TO COME VISIT, SPEND MONEY, GO HOME AND HELP OUR TOURISM ECONOMY HERE.

IT'S IT IS A UNIQUE PLACE.

AND I THINK THAT GOOCHLAND HAS SOME REAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU'LL GET TO PARTICIPATE IN IN DEVELOPING IT.

AND I SAW MY RED LIGHT, BUT I AM GOING TO SAY, MR. CARPENTER, MISS BUSQUETS HAS ADVISED US TO WAIT UNTIL AUGUST, BUT WE AT THE MONARCH AND DISTRICT, ALONG WITH THE FARM BUREAU AND THE EXTENSION OFFICE, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU FOR LUNCH SO YOU GET TO SEE OUR OFFICES, MEET OUR STAFF, AND ASK QUESTIONS AND LEARN MORE.

AND THEN FOR EVERYBODY, THE FARM BUREAU ANNUAL MEETING DINNER IS GOING TO BE SEPTEMBER 19TH OUT AT THE FIFE FIRE HALL.

MORE WILL BE REVEALED, BUT THIS YEAR WE ARE DOING A FARM TO FORK WHERE ALL OF THE SUSTENANCE WILL HAVE SOURCED FROM GOOCHLAND COUNTY.

THAT'S THE PLAN.

AGRICULTURE IS AN UNCERTAIN INDUSTRY, SO IF THE HARVEST DIDN'T COME IN, WE MIGHT GO TO COSTCO.

I'LL JUST LEAVE IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. LISLE. ANYONE ELSE FOR CITIZEN COMMENT? SEEING. THEN I WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT BOARD.

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WE'VE GOT SOME ACTION MINUTES THAT WE NEED TO APPROVE FROM OUR JOINT WORK SESSION ON APRIL 12TH, A REGULAR MEETING ON THE 19TH, REGULAR MEETING ON THE THIRD AND MAY 3RD AND

[X. Approval of Action Minutes]

HOPEFULLY WE'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM.

ANY COMMENTS? CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE APPROVAL OF ALL FOUR BOARD MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

THANK YOU. SECOND. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IN DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT, NOW WE MOVE INTO OUR REPORTS AND WE DO HAVE VDOT UP FIRST.

[XI. Reports]

MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

[1. 5424: VDOT - June 2022]

I'LL BE GIVING THE REPORT TODAY.

HOPEFULLY, YOU'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OVER OUR REPORT THAT WE SENT IN.

JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS THAT ARE ON THE REPORT.

OUR CREWS ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON ASPHALT REPAIRS, SHOULDER MAINTENANCE, DRAINAGE, MOWING, DEBRIS REMOVAL.

FROM OUR 16TH STORM THAT WE HAD, WE FELT LIKE WE JUST FINISHED CLEANING UP FROM THE PREVIOUS ICE STORM AND THEN THE 16TH HAPPENED.

SO WE GOT KIND OF BOMBARDED AGAIN WITH DEBRIS REMOVAL.

THIS PAST MONTH WE HAD 243 WORK ORDERS REQUESTS COME IN.

WE DID COMPLETE 243.

WE ALSO HAD 18 EMERGENCY AFTER HOUR CALL OUTS THAT OUR CREWS HAD TO GO OUT AND RESPOND.

MY CREWS HAVE BEEN CHANGED TO FIVE, TEN HOUR DAYS TO HELP WITH SOME OF THIS DEBRIS REMOVAL.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS BEHIND US SO WE CAN CARRY ON AND DO SOME WORK THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE, SOME OF OUR PAVING AND AND MOWING.

AS I TALKED TO MR. JAMES EARLIER, WE DID HAVE A SITUATION OUT ON TO 50 WHERE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CUT UP SOME TRASH, BUT THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AFTER THE MEETING.

ALSO, I'D LIKE TO ADD THE EMERGENCY CROSSOVER ON ROUTE SIX AT COMPANY ONE THAT SHOULD BE STARTING NEXT WEEK.

WEDNESDAY, I THINK IS THE START DATE FOR THAT.

SO WE'LL GET THAT KNOCKED OUT.

IT SHOULD TAKE ABOUT TWO WEEKS TO DO AND WE'LL HAVE THAT COMPLETED.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE.

I DID HAVE A NOTE ON HERE THAT AN UPDATE AT THE BACK OF THE REPORT.

UNDER PROJECT DEVELOPMENT, OUR SURFACE TREATMENT HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

IT SAID THAT IT WAS STILL ONGOING AND ALSO THE PAVEMENT ON THAT 64 HAS BEEN COMPLETED AS WELL.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT, IT LOOKS LIKE FROM BOTH OROVILLE AND SANDY HOOK.

THERE IS TRASH PICKUP AND I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THIS MIGHT BE DEBRIS REMOVAL STORM STUFF.

I'M NOT SURE IT'S TRASH.

WELL, THEY'RE PICKING UP LITTER AS WELL.

OKAY. BECAUSE WE'RE SHOWING UNDER SANDY HOOK, ADOPT A HIGHWAY TRASH PICKUP AND THEN UNDER OROVILLE, ALSO A STACK OF NEWSPAPERS AND IN THE ROAD IN THAT NICE.

YEAH AND NOW YOU DO SHOW ROUTE TO 50 BROAD STREET TRASH SHREDDED ON SHOULDER IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED NOW IS THAT WOULD MISS JAMES WAS TALKING ABOUT.

NO I DO NOT THINK SO.

I THINK THAT THEY THIS IS NEW THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT SECTION OR SOMETHING.

IT'S HARD TO TELL WITH JUST THE ROUTE NUMBERS.

I HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT.

RIGHT. BUT I WOULD THINK NOT.

I JUST TALKED TO HER AND IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT WAS PRETTY RECENT.

SO OK AND THE ADOPT A HIGHWAY.

PICK UP TRASH, THEN WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND PICK UP THE BAGS.

RIGHT. AND WE MAY WANT TO I MAY GET BACK WITH YOU AND GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

MAYBE NOT FOR THIS MEETING.

SO YOU HAD A CALL OUT FOR A LARGE TURTLE IN THE ROADWAY? YEAH. YEAH.

YEAH. IF IT WAS STRUCK AND WE HAD TO GET IT OUT OF THE ROAD, WE COULDN'T LEAVE IT THERE.

SO IT DIDN'T MAKE IT.

I DON'T EVEN I DON'T THINK I EVEN WANT TO KNOW ANY MORE ABOUT THAT.

AND THE LAST THAT'S ACTUALLY I'VE GOT TWO MORE.

ACTUALLY, I THINK I. IF YOU DON'T MIND.

SO UNDER PROJECT DEVELOPMENT, THE ROUNDABOUT ADVERTISED BIDS RECEIVED.

AND SO JULY 25TH IS THE ESTIMATED START THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE START DAY.

OKAY, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY WANT TO GET OUT TO OUR CITIZENS ON THAT.

AND YOU'RE DOING THE SPEED STUDY ROUTE SIX.

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IS THAT IS THAT GEORGE'S TAVERN ABOUT SIX FEET STUDY ROUTE SIX THROUGH FIVE? YEAH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE GEORGIA'S TAVERN.

YES. OKAY. SO THERE WAS ONE DONE IN THE PAST.

AND SO I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE DOING IT.

NOW I KNOW THE SHERIFF DID.

ONE IS DID SOME CHECKING ON THAT AS WELL.

RIGHT. I CAN FIND OUT MORE.

YEAH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW. YEAH.

WHAT'S BROUGHT THIS BACK UP? OKAY. AND THE LAST THING THAT I WOULD ASK IS YOU HAVE A CONTRACTOR WORKING ON THE ROADS IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY COMMUNITY HOUSE ROAD.

OH, COLUMBIA PAIN AFTER THERE.

AND THE TRAFFIC CONTROL REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.

IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS IT SHOULD BE.

OKAY. SO THE FOLKS THAT ARE HOLDING THE STOP SLOW SIGNS ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT SOMETIMES AND NOT WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.

YEAH, EXACTLY. SO AND I'VE HAD THEM TRY HOLDING A STOP SIGN UP AND THEN WAVING ME ON.

IT'S LIKE, I'M NOT GOING TO HIT ME.

YEAH, YEAH.

SO IT REALLY DOES NEED TO BE STRENGTHENED.

THAT WAS DO YOU REMEMBER WAS THAT THE DEBRIS COME, THAT THE STOPS.

YEAH, THE STOP SLOW WAVING ME ON WAS THE DEBRIS.

OKAY. THIS MOST RECENT IS THE ROADWORK THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT SPECIFICALLY ON.

I WAS LATE TODAY BECAUSE OF OLD COLUMBIA ROAD.

OKAY. AND THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE NOT POSITIONING, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PROPERLY.

SO IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

AND THAT'S ONE PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR ON THE ROAD STUFF.

YES, MA'AM. I DON'T WANT TO NAME THEM.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'M DONE.

THANK YOU. MR. PETERSON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT TODAY.

I HEAR THERE WERE 16 STORMS. NO, JUNE 16TH, JUNE 16TH STORM.

WAS THAT A NAMED STORM OR JUST STUDENTS? OKAY. THAT WAS THE TORNADO, CORRECT? WAS THAT WAS THE TORNADO? WELL, I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE FAIRLY QUICK IF YOU GUYS DON'T GET SOMETHING EXACTLY RIGHT TO POINT IT OUT.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT SOMETHING WHERE I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB FOR ME AFTER THAT STORM.

THE FIRST THE CONTRACTOR THAT I THINK WE HAD AT THE TIME WENT DOWN THE ROADWAYS AND CUT OFF THE TREE TRUNKS RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE ASPHALT AND LEFT SOME VERY DANGEROUS SITUATIONS.

AND I GUESS THERE'S A NEW CONTRACTOR THAT CAME BACK THROUGH AND HE'S TRIMMED THEM NOW BACK BEYOND THE RIGHT OF WAY AND BEYOND THE EDGE OF THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT AWAY. SO NOW IT'S TAKEN THAT THOSE DANGEROUS SITUATIONS OUT OF THE PICTURE, WHICH IS GREAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK THROUGH AND HAVING SOMEBODY DO IT RIGHT THE SECOND TIME, BUT AT LEAST YOU GOT IT RIGHT THE SECOND TIME THAT'S OUT NOW DOING THE CLEANUP.

SO GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON. I WANT TO SAY I DIDN'T SEE WHITE HALL ROAD.

THEY WENT THROUGH AND THEN THEY TORE UP THE STRIPING.

AND THEN THEY DIDN'T THEY THEN THEY AND MR. WYNN SAID IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING READY TO PAVE IT.

THEN THEY PUT THE LINES BACK DOWN.

SO I'M JUST AND I DON'T SEE IT ON THE PROJECT LIST.

YEAH, I WAS GOING TO MESS WITH YOU THEN.

THEY ARE PAVING. I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO COME BACK AT ME AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY'RE NOT GOING? YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY.

YEAH, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PAVED NEXT WEEK.

NEXT WEDNESDAY. THAT PROJECT IS SUPPOSED TO BEGIN.

OKAY, GREAT. SO THEY'LL BE OUT THERE PAVING NEXT WEEK.

AND THE LINES THAT THEY CAME BACK, THEY HAVE TO PUT LINES BACK ON THE ROAD.

ONCE THEY BUILD THE THERMAL OFF, THEY HAVE TO PUT.

AND THAT'S JUST A TEMPORARY PAINTING.

I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE.

OKAY, GREAT.

DEFINITELY NEEDS IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, OK.

NEXT STEP, WE HAVE THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW COUNTY STAFF.

MR. DYSON, I'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD.

[2. 5425: Introduction of New County Staff]

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON. AND AS YOU STATED, I AM SURE LISA DYSON AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF DOING THE INTRODUCTIONS OF OUR NEW COUNTY STAFF.

SO IF YOU ARE HERE, AS I CALL YOU, AND IF YOU WOULD STAND UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

SO ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, I AM PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE NEW STAFF AND THE FOLLOWING DEPARTMENTS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, BUILDING, INSPECTIONS, EMERGENCY AND COMMUNICATIONS, PARKS AND RECREATION AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

ON JUNE 20, 2022.

VICTOR CARPENTER JOIN GOOCHLAND COUNTY AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

MR. CARPENTER HAS MORE THAN 25 YEARS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE AND MOST RECENTLY SERVED AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR KERSHAW COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINA.

THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION HAD THE FOLLOWING NEW HIRES TO JOIN GOOCHLAND COUNTY IN JUNE.

ERIC TAYLOR, GROUNDSKEEPER ONE PENDING AT THE RECREATION ASSISTANT.

ARIANNA PAIGE RECREATION ASSISTANT.

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THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAD THE FOLLOWING HIRES IN JUNE.

MATTHEW PAINE, DEPUTY.

DIVINE VITELLO'S DEPUTY.

CARSON RUBIN COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER.

AND LASTLY, ON JUNE 21ST, 2021, LINDSEY TUCKER JOINED THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS AS A CUSTOMER SERVICE SPECIALIST.

MRS. TUCKER JOINED GOOCHLAND COUNTY FROM PATIENT FIRST AND HAS MANY YEARS OF CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERIENCE.

SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE COUNTY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WELCOME TO ALL OUR NEW FOLKS. THE NEXT TWO ITEMS THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT JULY ACTIVITY REPORT AND THE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE REPORT ARE IN YOUR PACKETS FOR YOUR REVIEW.

[3. 5411: Planning and Development July Activity Report]

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ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

I MEAN, I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR HIM NOW.

I KNOW HE CAN'T EITHER.

ALL RIGHT. GLAD YOU GUYS REHEARSED THIS.

ALL RIGHT, MR. PETERSON? YEP.

MR. CHAIR, THE COUNTY AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE HASN'T MET SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, BUT HIS NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 2ND AT 12:30 P.M..

AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THE FISCAL YEAR END, WHICH ENDED JUNE 30TH, JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO, AND ALSO THE AUDIT UPDATE, THE AUDITS DUE AT THE END OF NOVEMBER TO THE STATE AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT AS WELL.

THE OTHER ITEM OF INTEREST IS INTEREST RATES.

IT'S AN ITEM OF INTEREST. YOU GUYS ARE A TOUGH CROWD ATTORNEY.

THE FEDERAL RESERVE AT THEIR LAST MEETING DID RAISE INTEREST RATES BY 75 BASIS POINTS.

AND ABOUT A YEAR AGO, SHORT TERM RATES FOR NEGLIGIBLE, MAYBE 0.1.2.

TODAY, IT'S ABOUT ONE AND ONE HALF TO 1.75, AND THE FED OPEN MARKET COMMITTEE MET THE VOTING MEMBERS AND THEY'RE PROJECTING SHORT TERM INTEREST RATES THAT ARE ABOUT 1.75 NOW TO FINISH THIS YEAR AROUND THREE AND A HALF.

SO THERE'S STILL A LOT OF LAWN FOR THEM TO MOW BETWEEN NOW AND YEAR END.

THERE'LL BE IMPLICATIONS ABOUT RISING INTEREST RATES ON THE BUDGET, ON OUR FINANCES GOING FORWARD.

WE'LL KEEP A WATCH ON THAT.

THEIR NEXT MEETING IS JULY 27TH AND THEY'RE BROADLY ANTICIPATED TO RAISE INTEREST RATES AGAIN BY HALF A PERCENT, MAYBE THREE QUARTERS OF A PERCENT AT THAT MEETING AS WELL.

AS FAR AS THE COUNTY GOES, ALL OF OUR DEBT IS FIXED RATE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OUR INTEREST EXPENSE FLOATING HIGHER.

BUT A LOT OF OUR RESERVES ARE IN SHORT TERM INVESTMENTS WHICH ARE INTEREST INCOME MAY FLOAT A LITTLE HIGHER IF INTEREST RATES GO UP.

SO WE'RE REASONABLY WELL POSITIONED IN A RISING INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GREAT UPDATE. SURE, MR. JENKINS. MY SHORT.

I MISSED THE.

THIS MONTH WE HAD A CLIO MEETING, AND I MISSED THAT.

JOANNE WENT IN MY PLACE.

I WAS RECOVERING. SO.

COULDN'T EVEN GET TO THE ZOOM TO WORK.

I FELT SO BAD. BUT ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW.

JOANNE, DID ANYTHING OF ANY CONSEQUENCE OCCUR? NOTHING. THAT WAS IT.

AND THEN WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PLANE RBA MEETING THAT THAT WAS THE COMBINED MEETING THIS MONTH.

CORRECT. THANK YOU MR. SCHERR. THANK YOU.

I'LL BE JUST A SHORT.

WE DID HAVE THE ANNUAL MEETING IN JUNE OF THE PLAN ARBOR, WHICH IS PLANNING DISTRICT AND THEN CBTA AND TPO.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS ON THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW.

TOMORROW IS THE OUR JULY TPO MEETING AND GOOCHLAND IS ROTATION IS COMING UP TO CHAIR IT.

SO I THINK IF ALL GOES AS PLANNED, I WILL BE CHAIR STARTING TOMORROW UNTIL NEXT JUNE AND HANOVER COUNTY I THINK WILL BE THERE. ROTATION FOR VICE CHAIR.

LOOKING FORWARD TO A GOOD YEAR.

ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE'RE HOPING TO DO IS REPEATING THEMES THAT I'VE HEARD SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE TPO IS A LACK OF COMMUNICATION AND LETTING THE REGION KNOW WHAT WHAT WE'RE UP TO.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO I THINK I MAY HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. SPOONER, BUT I'M HOPING THE CHAIRS OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS CAN GET TOGETHER.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW.

DO WE KNOW WHO THE CHAIR OF CVA IS? YOU DON'T HAVE A SIMILAR ROTATION? I DON'T THINK WE DO NOT.

THAT'S COMING UP IN OUR NEXT MEETING.

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WHAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IS, IS PLAN RVA, THE CBTA AND THE TPO FOR US TO MAYBE COORDINATE ON SOME OF OUR COMMUNICATION EFFORTS.

AND I THINK I CAN START MAYBE WITH A CHAIR TO CHAIR TO CHAIR COMMUNICATION AND MEETINGS.

I KNOW ON THE TPO THERE'S A LOT OF DESIRE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF COMMUNICATING WHAT'S GOING ON.

TOMORROW'S AGENDA IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

THERE ARE SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS.

WE'RE IN THE WORKS FOR THAT.

THERE'S SOME OTHER TYP AMENDMENTS AND WE HAVE A FEW THINGS IN THE WORKS THAT GOOCHLAND IS WORKING ON AS WELL.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO A GOOD YEAR ON THE TPS.

GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. LUMPKIN. MINE WON'T BE TOO SHORT, BUT MINE IS REALLY GOOD.

SO IF THOSE OF YOU ARE AWARE CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY WAS FORMED FROM A FROM THE HOUSE OF DELEGATES BASED ON A NEW TAX, BOTH ON GASOLINE AND SALES TAX FOR THE REGION.

THAT AND THE MONIES WERE TO GO TO TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.

50% OF THE MONEY COMES BACK TO US, 35% GOES INTO A REGIONAL POOL.

GOOCHLAND CONTRIBUTION TO THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 2021 WAS 1.2 MILLION, AND IT WAS IT'S ESTIMATED TO BE 1.7 MILLION.

SO FOR JUST ABOUT $3 MILLION AND AS IT WAS BEING FORMED, BEING ONE OF THE SMALLEST LOCALITIES, WE SORT OF FIGURED, WELL, WE'LL BE A DONOR COUNTY AND WEREN'T REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

BUT I AM ECSTATIC TO SAY THAT LAST MEETING WE VOTED AND WERE APPROVED ON OUR ON THE FUNDING PLAN FOR 2022, IN WHICH GOOCHLAND HAS BEEN AWARDED 43,665,000 FOR FOUR PROJECTS, TWO OF WHICH ARE FULLY FUNDED.

THE FIRST IS THE I 64 AT ASHLAND ROAD DIVERSION DIAMOND INTERCHANGE.

WE WERE AWARDED $14.478 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT AND THEN FOR A NEW SOUTHBOUND AUXILIARY LANE SOUTH OF 250 AND 288 TO THE TUNE OF 16,814,000.

AND THEN WE WERE ALSO PROVIDED FUNDING FOR TWO OTHER PROJECTS, BOTH ON 288, THE NORTHBOUND HARD RUNNING LANE AND SOUTHBOUND HARD RUNNING LANE.

AND WE WERE PROVIDED $8 MILLION FOR THE HARD SHOULDER RUNNING LANE FOR THE NORTHBOUND AND 4.3 MILLION FOR THE SOUTHBOUND, WHICH THOSE WILL BE FUNDS THAT WE'LL USE TO TRY TO MATCH OTHER FUNDS TO GET THESE PROJECTS UNDERWAY.

SO, MR. PETERSON, YOU'RE THE FINANCE GUY.

SO 3 MILLION TO GET 43 MILLION.

THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT? WE DID. OKAY, VERY GOOD.

SO NONE OF THIS WOULD BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE HELP OF OUR STAFF BEING ABLE TO PUT HIGH QUALITY APPLICATIONS FORWARD WITH ALL THE INFORMATION NECESSARY IS CRITICAL FOR.

FOR THESE TO MOVE ON. THESE ALL OF OUR PROJECTS WE SUBMITTED, THE BOARD APPROVES THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE SUBMITTING AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS.

AND THE PROFESSIONALISM THAT WE'VE SEEN AND THE ABILITY TO PUT THESE APPLICATIONS FORTH TO BE MEANINGFUL PROJECTS, NOT JUST FOR GOOCHLAND, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE REGION.

I JUST WANT TO THANK STAFF BECAUSE WITHOUT THEM, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE.

SO THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.

I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD CLAP AFTER THAT, MAN.

WE'RE GETTING SOME GOOD PROJECTS DONE.

HEAVY LIFT. WE PROBABLY WON'T GET ANY FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS, BUT SO ENJOY THESE PROJECTS.

BUT ALL RIGHT.

SO NOW WE'RE MOVING IN OUR OUR CONSENT AGENDA WITH BOARD.

THE WAY WE'LL DO THIS IS MR. CARPENTER WILL REVIEW EACH ITEM AND THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TAKE AS A BLOCK OR INDIVIDUALLY OR PUT FEW TOGETHER AND PULL ONE OUT.

[XII. Consent Agenda]

THE FIRST IS A RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT APPROXIMATELY $480,000 GRANT FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF FIRE PROGRAMS FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A BURN BUILDING AND THE

[1. 5418: Resolution accepting the Virginia Department of Fire Programs (VDFP)]

TOTAL COST OF PROJECTS ROUGHLY 1.2 MILLION.

THE SECOND WILL BE A RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT AN APPROPRIATE TOURISM GRANT FROM THE VIRGINIA TOURISM CORPORATION, APPROXIMATELY $30,000 GRANT.

THE THIRD IS A RESOLUTION BOARD OF SUPERVISOR SUPPORT FOR FOUR SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS.

THE FOUR PROJECTS WOULD INCLUDE ONE THREE CHOP ROAD RECONNECTION I 64 AT OILVILLE ROAD INTERCHANGE, POCKET ROAD REALIGNMENT AND ROUTE TWO

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THE FOURTH ITEM RESOLUTION AMENDING THE 2023 CIP BUDGET TO APPROPRIATE $281,384 TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND FOR PHASE ONE OF THE EAST END TRAILS PROJECT.

THE TOTAL PROJECT COST APPROXIMATELY $967,000.

THE FIFTH ITEM IS AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE A SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA WASTE MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY FOR RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING AND DROP OFF PROCESSING SERVICES.

CW CMAS NEGOTIATED PRICING.

AN AGREEMENT FOR A TEN YEAR PERIOD WILL BEGIN ON JULY 1ST OF 23.

NO MAJOR ANTICIPATED IMPACT ON CONVENIENCE CENTER BUDGET IS RELATED TO THIS.

AND THE FINAL ONE IS A REQUEST TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AUGUST 2ND, 2022, TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COUNTY CODE TO ALIGN THE COUNTY'S PROCUREMENT PROVISIONS TO STATE LAW UPDATES THAT WERE ENACTED BY THE 22 VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I PRESENT THAT TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION AS A MOTION AND A BLOCK OR AS INDIVIDUAL.

THANK YOU, SIR. CAN I GET A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, ALL OF THEM AS PRESENTED.

THANK YOU, MR. LUMPKIN. SECOND, SECOND.

A DISCUSSION BOARD. SEEING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT.

CONSENT AGENDA PASSES.

NOW, MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

AS YOU REMEMBER, WE'VE REMOVED ITEM ONE AND DEFERRED TO SEPTEMBER 6TH.

[XIII. New Business]

SO THE APPOINTMENTS THAT ARE PACKAGE WILL GO THROUGH AND THEN WE WILL DISCUSS.

SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOCIAL SERVICES BOARD.

[2. 5421: Appointments - July 6, 2022]

THE APPOINTMENT OF EMILY GIBB, ENVIRONMENTAL INSPECTOR, TO SERVE AS THE COUNTY LIAISON TO MONARCH AND SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION AND SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD COMMUNITY POLICY AND MANAGEMENT TEAM, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE CPA.

THE APPOINTMENT OF PAUL BRANDT INTO THE COMMUNITY POLICY AND MANAGEMENT TEAM EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2022, FULFILLING AN UNEXPIRED TERM OF KATIE HEFLIN TO APRIL 30TH, 2023.

THE GOOCHLAND POWHATAN COMMUNITY SERVICES APPOINTMENT OF JOYCE LAYNE JORDAN TO THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, FULFILLING AN UNEXPIRED TERM OF YVETTE THOMAS TO JUNE 30TH, 2023, THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION NOMINATION OF KENNETH COLLIER FOR REAPPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION FOR A THREE YEAR TERM EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1ST TO JULY 31ST, 2025.

THOSE ARE APPOINTEES.

ANY DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE APPOINTMENTS AS YOU PRESENTED THEM.

THANK YOU, MR. LUMPKIN. SECOND.

THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN ON BOARD, WE HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE APPLY FOR ONE OF THE POSITIONS, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD, AND WE WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF ALL THOSE THAT APPLIED.

THE BOARD DECIDED TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD OF THE GOOCHLAND POWHATAN COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD.

THEY REVIEWED ALL THE APPLICATIONS AND MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO US AND WE WERE FOLLOWING THAT RECOMMENDATION.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A QUESTION JUST FOR MY EDIFICATION.

ARE THE SOCIAL SERVICES BOARD MEMBERS, ARE THEY STILL APPOINTED BY DISTRICT OR.

YES, THEY ARE. THEY ARE MY DISTRICT.

IT'S NOT A STATE LAW.

IT'S THEIR BOARD VOTED TO DO IT THAT WAY.

SO WHICH DISTRICT IS CAROL NICHOLS IN? I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS.

I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOPIC.

DID THE REDISTRICTING LINES THAT IMPACT, IS THAT IMPACTING PEOPLE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. JUST.

JUST THOUGHT THEY WERE APPOINTED BY DISTRICT.

I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT. OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. SURE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY I OPPOSE.

ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU TO ALL OF THESE CITIZENS WHO ARE WILLING TO GIVE OF THEIR TIME AND TALENTS TO SERVE OUR COUNTY.

IT'S A GREAT, GREAT THING.

WE CAN'T BE AT DINNER BREAK ALREADY, CAN'T WE? WHAT IF I RUN A FAST MEETING? ALL RIGHT, WE WILL.

EXACTLY. ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

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AND THEN THE BOARD COMES AND WE DO OUR WORK AND JUST MAKE THE DECISIONS ON ON EACH CASE.

SO AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER FOR OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, MR. MAGEE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE FIRST THING ON THE BOARD'S AGENDA FOR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS THE RE ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE THAT THE BOARD ADOPTED ON MAY 19TH,

[1. 5399: Ordinance to assist residents with real and personal property tax payments by]

THE EMERGENCY ORDINANCE JUST MEANS THAT YOU DID NOT AT THAT TIME HAVE TO ADVERTISEMENT OF IT.

AND NOTICE IN THE PAPER AND A PUBLIC HEARING.

BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU ADOPTED WAS TO PROVIDE RESIDENTS SOME RELIEF FROM THE PROPERTY, THE PENALTY AND INTEREST ON BOTH REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.

THE DUE DATE WAS JUNE 6TH, 2022, AND SO YOU ACTED ON MAY 19TH QUICKLY SO THAT RESIDENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT RELIEF FROM PENALTY AND INTEREST AND HAVE MORE TIME TO PAY BOTH REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY.

IF YOU HAD WAITED TO ADVERTISE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PAST THE DEADLINE.

THAT DEADLINE WAS EXTENDED TO AUGUST 1ST, AND SO THAT'S STILL IN EXISTENCE THAT FOLKS WHO'VE NOT YET HAD THE CHANCE TO PAY, HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GATHER RESOURCES TO PAY, STILL HAVE TIME UNTIL JUNE 1ST.

BUT THAT PUTS US IN AN UNUSUAL SITUATION.

TONIGHT IS TONIGHT IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU ADOPTED ON MAY 19TH.

BUT THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN DULY NOTIFIED AND BEEN ADVERTISED.

AND TONIGHT, IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO IT, THEY CAN.

AND THEN WE WOULD ASK YOU TO RE ADOPT.

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WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MAGEE BEFORE I OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND I'LL PLEASE TRY TO LIMIT YOUR YOUR SPEAKING TO 3 MINUTES.

JONATHAN LYLE 1521 MANIC ROAD.

COMMENT WAS MADE EARLIER WHEN VDOT WAS PRESENTING THAT.

SOMETIMES WE'RE QUICK TO CRITICIZE BUT SLOW TO COMPLIMENT.

I JUST WANT TO, AS ONE CITIZEN, SAY THANK YOU FOR THE ACTION THAT YOU TOOK.

I THINK THAT IT WAS SORT OF A SURPRISE TO MANY FOLKS THAT THEY SAW WHAT THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY, PARTICULARLY WITH USED CARS, NOW BEING MORE EXPENSIVE THAN NEW CARS IN SOME INSTANCES.

SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.

I THINK IT SHOWS A RESPONSIVENESS.

THERE'S A SAYING THAT WHATEVER IS SAID BEFORE THE WORD BUT REALLY DOESN'T COUNT.

BUT I HAVE NOTICED THAT IN A COUNTY ADJOINING US TO THE EAST DOES ALLOW PEOPLE TO PAY BOTH THEIR PERSONAL AND THEIR REAL ESTATE WITH A BANK CARD WITHOUT CHARGING ANY KIND OF PROCESSING FEE.

I BELIEVE THEY ADOPTED THAT DURING COVID BECAUSE EVERYBODY, OF COURSE, WAS SCARED TO COME INTO ANYTHING THAT INVOLVED ANOTHER HUMAN BEING WITHIN A QUARTER MILE.

BUT THEY THEY DIMINISHED OR ELIMINATED ANY KIND OF PROCESSING OR CONVENIENCE FEE.

I'M A RECOVERING BANKER.

I THINK I'VE SHARED THAT WITH YOU.

SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO PAY USING A BANK CARD THE DAY AFTER THEIR STATEMENT CYCLE ENDS, IT WOULDN'T HIT UNTIL THE NEXT MONTH AND THEN THEY WOULD GET TO PAY IT 60 DAYS LATER, WHICH IN EFFECT WOULD HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THE SAME THING.

WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE, AND SINCE IT WORKS SO WELL THIS YEAR, MAYBE IF WE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERY YEAR GOING FORWARD, WE WOULD ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY DELAY PAYING THESE HIGHER FEES FOR 60 DAYS WITHOUT PAYING THE 2% CONVENIENCE FEE.

WHETHER THAT'S A QUESTION THAT THE TREASURER'S OFFICE WOULD INVOLVE OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD WOULD ADOPT.

BUT I DO LEARN FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES AND CERTAINLY OTHER PEOPLE'S MISTAKES.

I DON'T HAVE TIME TO MAKE ALL THE MISTAKES MYSELF, SO I HAVE TO LEARN FROM OTHERS.

BUT I WOULD JUST SHOW THAT AS A POSSIBILITY THAT IF WE COULD PAY USING A BANK CARD WITHOUT THE CONVENIENCE FEE, I WOULD WELCOME THAT OPPORTUNITY AND THE AIRMILES WOULD GET ME THAT MUCH CLOSER TO VACATIONING IN SOUTH CAROLINA OR SOMEPLACE.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MR.. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AUDIENCE DEDUCTION? SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR MOTION.

CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT THE ORDINANCE TO DELAY THE PENALTY ON INTEREST UNTIL AUGUST 1ST, 2022, ON REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES THAT WERE DUE ON JUNE SIX, 2022.

SECOND, THANK YOU, MR. JENKINS. MS.. SCARLETT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DELAYING THE PENALTY JUST FOR CHANGING THE DATE.

THAT'S CORRECT. THE DATE AT WHICH THEY ACTUALLY ATTACH IS WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THE ORDER, NOT THE PENALTY ON INTEREST.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON. NO OTHER COMMENTS.

MR. CARPENTER. ROLL CALL VOTE.

MR. SCARLETT. YES.

MR. TOMKINS. YES.

MR. SHARP. YES.

MR. PETERSON. YES.

MR. SPOONER. YES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAGEE. THE NEXT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT FOR CONSIDERATION AND BEFORE THE PUBLIC FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF OUR SHARE.

SO HE AND HIS OFFICE SET THEIR REQUEST AND WITH THE SUPPORT OF BOTH OUR GENERAL DISTRICT COURT CLERK AND OUR CIRCUIT COURT CLERK, YOU'RE ASKED TO ADD A

[2. 5408: Ordinance adding County Code Sec. 10-73 (Electronic summons system fee)]

SO A MEMBER OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES OFFICE FOR ANY VIOLATION OF A STATUTE OR ORDINANCE WOULD ATTACH ONLY IF THE DEFENDANT IS CONVICTED OF THAT VIOLATION.

SO IT'S THE TYPE OF COURT COSTS.

THE $5 IS DESIGNATED TO SUPPORT AN ELECTRONIC SUMMONS SYSTEM SO THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING OFFICERS HAVING TO WRITE OUT ELECTRONIC SUMMONSES OR WRITE OUT SUMMONSES, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO DO IT WITH A COMPUTER AND TO HAVE BETTER HANDWRITING AND SO FORTH.

AND IT IS A SYSTEM THAT THE SHERIFF IS GOING TO COME FORWARD WITH.

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THEY'VE ADDED THIS CHARGE.

YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THIS CHARGE BY STATE LAW AT THIS AMOUNT.

AND AS I SAID, IT'S REQUESTED BY THE SHERIFF AND SUPPORTED BY BOTH YOUR CLERKS TO ADD THAT $5 FEE BY ORDINANCE FOR VIOLATIONS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE OUR COSTS CLOSER TO THE STATES THAT THEY'RE ALREADY AT CHARGING.

THANK YOU. MISS ME? ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MCGEE AT THIS TIME? MISS WATKINS, LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS.

AND I SEE IT'S EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1ST.

SO THAT'S WHEN WE START COLLECTING.

IS THIS SYSTEM IN PLACE OR DOES THE SYSTEM HAVE TO BE IN PLACE FOR US TO PROPERLY COLLECT? AUGUST 1ST IS THE DATE I RECEIVED FROM THE CLERKS.

ONCE THEY RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF YOUR APPROVED ACTION, THEY'RE ABLE TO PUT IT INTO THEIR SYSTEM.

THEY HAVE TO SEND IT TO GET APPROVED.

AND THAT'S THEY NEED THOSE THAT THAT RESOLUTION APPROVED TO SHOW THAT IT'S BEEN APPROVED, AND THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THAT INTO THEIR SYSTEM BY THAT DATE.

SO THAT IS WHEN THEY TOLD ME THEY COULD BEGIN PROCESSING IT.

GOT YOU. GOT YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? LET'S START. I WAS JUST PREPARING IN ADVANCE.

WE STILL HAVE TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.

ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR A MOTION OR DISCUSSION.

SURE YOU'RE PREPARED.

I THINK THIS IS A GREAT ORDINANCE.

SINCE WE'RE NOT TEACHING CURSIVE ANYMORE IN THE SCHOOLS, THE YOUNGER EMPLOYED DEPUTIES WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO WRITE OUT THE TICKETS PROPERLY. SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING TO DO.

BUT I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE, ADDING THE $5 FEE TO THE COST ASSESSED IN EACH CRIMINAL TRAFFIC CASE IN THE COUNTY'S GENERAL DISTRICT OR CIRCUIT COURT, IN WHICH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT CHARGES A VIOLATION OF ANY STATUTE OR ORDINANCE AND DEFENDANT IS CONVICTED.

THANK YOU, MR. SHIRT. SECOND.

THANK YOU, MR. SCOTT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AND THIS IS EFFECTIVE AUGUST ONE, WE'VE SAID, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. AND THAT'S ON THE PAPER IN FRONT OF YOU.

THANK YOU. MR. PETERSON, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR ARE YOU? I THINK I'M READY TO CONSIDER THE MOTION AND PREPARATION AND PREPARATION.

SO I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS.

THIS ONE WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE TOUGHER FOR ME THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE ON THE FACE.

I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF ADDING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THE COST OF DOING SOMETHING WRONG AND THEN ADDING FEES ON TOP OF THAT WHICH WHICH EXACERBATE THAT COST.

I KIND OF STRUGGLE WITH THAT. BUT THEN WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, THE TIME SAVINGS FOR OUR OFFICERS, NOT OUR DEPUTIES, NOT BEING ON THE SIDE OF VERY DANGEROUS ROADS.

WHEN I GO TO THE MY WHEN I SAT IN DISPATCH AND SAW ALL THE PAPERWORK THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH, WHEN I WHEN I SAT ON THE GRAND JURY AND HAD TO READ, TRY TO MAKE OUT THE HANDWRITTEN NOTES FROM FOLKS, AND THAT'S YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY SOME SERIOUS SITUATIONS WHEN HANDWRITING BECOMES A THING, THAT'S A CHALLENGE.

SO TO ME, WHILE I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF ADDING FEES FOR THESE THINGS, I THINK THE BENEFITS TO OUR TEAM AND IN GENERAL TO THE PUBLIC THAT ISN'T VIOLATING THESE LAWS.

SO PASSING THOSE COSTS ON WHERE THEY OCCUR IS NOT A BAD THING.

SO THOSE WERE MY COMMENTS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MR. CARPENTER CALLED YOU? MR. BECK ROLL CALL.

VOTE, PLEASE. MR. LUMPKIN.

YES. MR. SHARP. YES.

MR. PETERSON. YES.

MS.. SCARLETT. YES.

MR. SPOONER. YES.

ALL RIGHT. NOW CHANGE UP A LITTLE BIT.

MS.. CHERIE.

[3. 5410: District 5 - CU-2022-00004 Application by Marion & Jonathan Kastenbaum]

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MR. CARPENTER. I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

I WILL BE PRESENTING THREE ZONING RELATED APPLICATION.

THE FIRST ONE IS AN APPLICATION BY MARIANNE AND JONATHAN KESTENBAUM FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT ON MEADOW RIDGE LANE.

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THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, RURAL.

AND IT IS ADJACENT TO.

TO THE EAST. RESIDENTIAL LIMITED.

ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND WEST AND SOUTH ARE ALSO ARE.

WHICH IS PART OF THE.

EXCUSE ME. I DREW A BLANK.

IS THE NAME OF THE SUBJECT. THE MÉTIS.

THANK YOU. THIS NOT IN MY NOTES.

I HAVE TO REMEMBER OK FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA IS DESIGNATED FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS WELL AS ALL THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING.

THIS IS THE AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE.

IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND THERE IS AN EXISTING SHED ON THE PROPERTY.

SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SITUATION.

IT IS LOCATED IN THE MEADOWS AT MANIKINS SUBDIVISION.

I HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE IS A SHED AND AN EXISTING DWELLING.

THE EXISTING DWELLING IS SHOWN HERE ON THE SITE PLAN.

IT IS A TWO STOREY BUILDING WITH A DETACHED GARAGE, THE PROPERTY.

THE EXISTING HOUSE IS ABOUT 3800 SQUARE FEET, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE YELLOW.

THAT IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY DWELLING.

THE PROPERTY, THIS ACCESSORY DWELLING WOULD BE ACCESSED THROUGH THE SAME DRIVEWAY THAT EXISTS CURRENTLY AND IT MEETS ALL THE ZONING REQUIRED SETBACKS.

THIS IS THE ELEVATION.

WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS A TWO STOREY STRUCTURE ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.

THERE WILL BE A TWO CAR GARAGE AND ON THE TOP FLOOR THERE WOULD BE THE LIVING SPACE, WHICH WOULD BE 6500 SQUARE FEET.

SO AS I MENTIONED NOW FOR THE THIRD TIME THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE MEADOWS AT MANIKINS SUBDIVISION, THEY HAVE COVENANTS THAT DO NOT ALLOW STOVES WITHIN ANY ACCESSORY BUILDING.

THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED BUILDING PLANS TO OUR OFFICE AND THERE'S NO STOVE IN THE BUILDING WHICH WOULD REQUIRE WOULD SATISFY THE COVENANTS REQUIREMENTS.

THEY ALSO DO NOT ALLOW MORE THAN ONE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.

THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO REMOVE THE EXISTING SHED THAT I POINTED OUT IN ORDER TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE COVENANTS.

I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT OF THE COVENANTS, WHICH IS A PRIVATE AGREEMENT, ARE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN FRONT OF YOU WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

DO NOT HAVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF THIS PERMIT.

THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD IN MAY.

FIVE CITIZENS ATTENDED ALONG WITH PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS MR. PADDOCK AND MR. ROCHA.

CHARLIE CITIZENS EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT NON-FAMILY MEMBERS MIGHT BE STAYING THERE OR THEY MIGHT BE USING THE STRUCTURE FOR AIRBNB, A SHORT TERM RENTAL TYPE THING.

APPLICANT STATED THAT THE ONLY WOULD BE THE RELATIVES STAYING AT THE DWELLING.

AT THE JUNE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A50 VOTE AND NOBODY SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IF THE BOARD WERE TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, THE FOLLOWS FOLLOWING ARE THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION.

THE FIRST CONDITION IS TO ALLOW FOR THE ACCESSORY DETACHED FAMILY HOUSING UNIT TO NUMBER TWO IS TO LIMIT TO ONLY FAMILY MEMBERS TO BE LIVING THERE. NUMBER THREE IS TO REQUIRE THAT THE HOUSE NOT BE HOUSED IN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING, NOT BE RENTED SEPARATELY.

NUMBER FOUR IS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SITE PLAN SHOWN IN THE PRESENTATION DESIGN.

THE ACCESSORY FAMILY UNIT SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH EXHIBIT B, WHICH WAS THE ELEVATION THAT I SHOWED IN THE PRESENTATION.

A REQUIREMENT NUMBER SIX IS THE CARBON MONOXIDE AND SMOKE DETECTORS THAT MUST BE INSTALLED TO MAINTAIN EMERGENCY ACCESS MUST BE MAINTAINED.

THIS WOULD BE A FIVE YEAR EXPIRATION ON THIS PERMIT, WHICH WOULD BE JULY 2027.

AND LASTLY, IS THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP STANDARD CONDITION THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT. IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY QUESTIONS TO SET.

THIS MIGHT BE DIRECTED TO OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT DO WE DEFINE RELATIVES ANYWHERE?

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OK FAMILY. YES, WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE WORD FAMILY OR RELATIVE.

SO I BELIEVE YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK UNDER DWELLING SINGLE FAMILY.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO GET A TO RELATED TO A RESIDENT OF THE PRINCIPLE DWELLING UNIT SHALL RESIDE IN THE ACCESSORY.

AGAIN, THE WHOLE QUESTION OF POLICING IT.

BUT I JUST WONDERED IF AGAIN I LOOK AT THIS, IS THERE A MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CONDITION MEANS? I GUESS IS IS WHAT I'M GOING FOR THE MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE APPLICANT.

YES. YES.

IT SHALL CONFORM TO THE SITE PLAN.

MAINTAIN. ALL RIGHT.

MAYBE WE'LL HEAR FROM THE. FROM THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU. HEY, WELCOME.

HEY, I'M JOHN KESTENBAUM.

NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY.

SEE YOU. ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE? WE DIDN'T COVER. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.

ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU? ALL RIGHT, GREAT. DON'T GO TOO FAR.

WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GET THIS MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SEE NO ONE.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL RIGHT. BOARD DISCUSSIONS.

MOTION. MR. CHAIR, IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, YOU ARE VERY ENTERTAINING.

LIKELY AN ENTERTAINING MOTION.

NEVER MIND. MR. CHAIR, I MOVED AT THE BOARD.

GRANT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SEE YOU. 2020 200004 FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT AT 650 MEADOW RIDGE LANE, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.

SECOND, THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON. MS.. CLICK.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST ROLL CALL VOTE, MR. SHARP. YES.

MR. PETERSON. YES.

MS.. SCARLETT. YES.

MR. LUMPKIN. YES.

MR. SPOONER. YES.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU.

OKAY. SHERRY, FOURTH ITEM.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

[4. 5415: District 4 - CU-2022-00005 Application by Alsop Properties, LLC]

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE OIL VILLAGE VILLAGE.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED OR DESIGNATED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY, AS ARE THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, WEST AND SOUTH TO THE EAST.

RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA IS THE DESIGNATION.

THE PROPERTY IS SPLIT, ZONED.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, IT IS PARTIALLY ZONED B ONE BUSINESS LIMITED AND AGRICULTURAL LTD ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS TO THE NORTH WE HAVE B1 PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST THERE IS A TO AGRICULTURAL LTD AND TO THE EAST.

WE ALSO HAVE B1 ZONING DISTRICTS.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, THERE ARE A A NUMBER OF LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND VACANT LAND.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF BROAD STREET ROAD AND SHALLOW WELL ROAD, SO THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN UTILIZED FOR YEARS AS A COMMERCIAL USE.

FORMERLY, I GUESS PLUM PICKENS WAS ITS MOST RECENT USER.

THIS WOULD BE A CHANGE OF USE FROM A COMMERCIAL USE TO A SCHOOL ASSEMBLY USE WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A CSP, ALONG WITH OTHER SITE MODIFICATIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS IN THE OIL BILL VILLAGE, AS I HAD MENTIONED.

SO THEY WILL HAVE TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL AND THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH WITH SOME WITH SOME DEVELOPMENT, ALREADY IMPROVING SOME OF THE BUILDINGS AND RENOVATING THEM.

SO BUILDING PERMITS HAVE ALSO BEEN PART OF THIS.

SO WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS A PRIVATE FOR PROFIT SCHOOL REFERRED TO AS AN ACTON ACADEMY.

THE APPLICANT HAS DESCRIBED THE SCHOOL AS A MICRO SCHOOL, HOME SCHOOL, COOPERATIVE TYPE OF EDUCATION MODEL. SO THEIR EXISTING BUILDINGS, THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS JUST THE ROAD VIEW.

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SO THESE FIRST TWO FRONT BUILDINGS WERE THE RETAIL BUILDINGS.

THOSE WOULD BE WHERE THE CLASSROOMS WILL BE HELD.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE KIND OF IN THE BACK PICTURE THAT IS LIKE THE WAREHOUSE.

IT WAS FORMERLY THE ANTIQUE STORE.

THEY WILL BE USING THAT FOR SCHOOL ACTIVITIES AND NOT DEPICTED IN THIS PICTURE.

BUT I'LL SHOW IT TO YOU WHEN WHEN WE MOVE FURTHER TO THE SITE PLAN, THERE IS A GARAGE ON THE PROPERTY THAT THEY WILL BE USING FOR STORAGE.

SO THIS KIND OF IS A THIS IS NOT THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED, BUT THIS KIND OF HELPS EXPLAIN SOME OF THE MAJOR SITE CHANGES THAT ARE EITHER HAVE REQUIRED OR WILL HAVE OCCURRED OR WILL BE OCCURRING.

AS YOU CAN SEE, BROAD STREET ROAD IS GOING TO BE CLOSED OFF.

THERE WILL BE AN IMPROVED, SHALLOW WELL ROAD ENTRANCE.

THE DEMOLITION OF THE FARMHOUSE HAS ALREADY OCCURRED.

THERE WILL BE A NEW PARKING AREA AND A PLAYGROUND AND VARIOUS FENCING, WHICH WILL BE CLEARER ON THE NEXT EXHIBIT.

SO THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN SUBMITTED WITH THIS APPLICATION.

IT IS JUST THAT CONCEPTUAL.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT THEY ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS COMPLIANT WITH ALL OF OUR ZONING ZONING REQUIREMENTS.

SO SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE WILL BE SOME PARKING UP FRONT.

THIS ARE THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE TURNED INTO CLASSROOMS, ADDITIONAL PARKING.

THIS IS THE SCHOOL ACTIVITY BUILDING.

THERE WILL BE ENTRANCE FOR THE SITE OFF SHALLOW WALL ROAD.

THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THE INITIALLY THEY WILL STARTING OUT WITH APPROXIMATELY TEN STUDENTS AND THERE WILL NOT BE A A DROP OFF LINE LIKE YOU SEE IN SOME SMALLER SCHOOLS.

IT WILL BE PARKED THE CAR AND WALK THE CHILDREN IN.

SO THERE SHOULD BE NO ANTICIPATION OF ANY STACKING UP OF VEHICLES ON TO SHALLOW WELL ROAD UNLESS SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO GET INTO A PARKING SPACE.

LET'S SEE OTHER NOTABLE THINGS.

THE FENCES THAT WE WERE REFERRING HERE, THE APPLICANT WILL BE INSTALLING A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE WHICH WILL BE AROUND THE PLAYGROUND.

THIS IS THE STORAGE SHED THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER.

AND THIS WILL BE ANOTHER PLAY AREA.

I THINK THAT COVERS MOST OF THE HIGHLIGHTS ON THE SITE PLAN.

SO THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD BACK IN APRIL.

SEVEN CITIZENS ATTENDED.

DISCUSSIONS WERE AROUND DEMOLISHING THE FORUM HOUSE.

A NUMBER OF STUDENTS HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.

CONCERNS WERE RELATED TO BROAD STREET, ROAD TURN LANES, PARKING AND JUST GENERAL SAFETY OF STUDENTS BEING THAT CLOSE TO BROAD STREET ROAD.

I DIDN'T POINT IT OUT, BUT THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING ON THE SITE PLAN WHERE THAT ORANGE IS A PICKET FENCE WILL, WHICH WILL SERVE AS A A PHYSICAL BARRIER TO BROAD STREET ROAD.

NO ONE AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING EXPRESSED OPPOSITION, BUT THERE WERE MOSTLY ABOUT CONCERNED WITH SAFETY.

LAST MONTH AT THE JUNE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FIVE ZERO AND NOBODY SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF APPROVED.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

NUMBER ONE WOULD BE THE USE TO ALLOW FOR SCHOOL, DEPENDING ON THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, A MAXIMUM OF UP TO 60 ATTENDEES.

I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE APPLICANT WAS LOOKING AT HAVING APPROXIMATELY TEN STUDENTS.

60 WAS THE NUMBER THAT WE CAME UP WITH BASED ON THE OCCUPANCY FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

SO THAT THE UTILIZATION OF THE OUT STRUCTURE WHERE I SAID THE SCHOOL ACTIVITIES THAT COULD ALSO BE ACCOMMODATED, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN APPROVED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT BEFORE THEY MOVE FORWARD.

THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE IMPROVEMENTS CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH IS EXHIBIT A THAT I HAD IN THE PRESENTATION.

THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO CLOSE OFF PERMANENTLY AND PLANT GRASS AT MINIMUM TO PROVIDE A VISUAL BARRIER.

AS I HAD MENTIONED, THIS IS IN THE VILLAGE OVERLAY.

SO THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE VILLE VILLAGE.

ANY LIGHTING, WHETHER IT'S TEMPORARY OR OR ANY PERMANENT EXTERIOR LIGHTING, MUST BE SUBMITTED WITH THE POD AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING.

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THE SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE IS REQUIRED AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE DETACHED SIGN LIMITED TO 32 SQUARE FEET.

ANY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS? THEY'LL HAVE TO ADHERE TO THOSE FOR FOOD PREPARATION.

SEPTIC SYSTEM HOURS OF HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE RESTRICTED TO 8 A.M.

TO 9 P.M.

AND THERE WILL BE NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND ALLOWED PARKING.

THERE WILL BE NO PARKING ON BROAD STREET ROAD OR SHALLOW WELL ROAD.

THIS IS A FIVE YEAR PERMIT.

IT WOULD EXPIRE IN JULY 2027.

AND THEN NUMBER 15 IS OUR TRANSFER OR AT LEAST STANDARD CONDITION.

THAT SUMS UP MY PRESENTATION TO AN APPLICANT HERE AS WELL, SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. MS.. CHERIE WARD.

ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I DO. AND SHERRY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

I GUESS MY FIRST ONE REALLY HAS TO DO WITH TRAFFIC.

SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ESTIMATING TEN, 12 OR SO STUDENTS POTENTIALLY COULD GO TO 60.

SO IS THAT 50 VEHICLES 60? IT DEPENDS. I GUESS IF YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE CHILDREN, DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO STACK 50 VEHICLES HERE? WELL, THE INTENT IS FOR IT NOT TO BE A STACKING SITUATION.

AND THE 60 IS REALLY MEANT TO ACCOMMODATE ANY OTHER ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, EVENTS SUCH AS AWARD CEREMONIES.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO INDICATED THAT THEY MAY ALLOW COMMUNITY MEETINGS THERE.

IF, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC MEETINGS, TYPICAL THINGS THAT ARE ACCESSORY TO A SCHOOL BUT NOT NECESSARILY AN ASSEMBLIES ACTIVITY BUILDING.

SO THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE PARKING CONSISTENT WITH WHATEVER THEY ARE PROPOSING ON THE ON THE ON THE PROPERTY.

BUT AS FAR AS STACKING GOES, THE INTENT IS FOR THERE NOT TO BE A DROP OFF.

I MEAN, THERE MAY BE AT THAT CROWDED SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING AT THE SAME TIME FOR AN EVENT.

BUT STACKING HAS NOT BEEN ACCOMMODATED.

THERE'S NO TURN LANES OR ANY KIND OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT PROPOSED.

SO THEY HAVE 60 PARKING SPACES.

THEY I DON'T THINK 60 IS THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE FOR THE WE WOULD GO BY THE CODE WHATEVER WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR A SCHOOL. SO I WOULD I MEAN, I HAVE IT FOR YOU IF YOU NEED ME TO LOOK AT IT.

WELL, BUT A SCHOOL HAS DROP OFF.

THEY'RE NOT DROPPING OFF.

YOU'RE SAYING THEY HAVE TO PARK? YES. SO WHERE 60 CARS GOING TO PARK.

SO FOR THE ACTUAL DAYTIME SCHOOL ACTIVITY, THAT THAT WILL THEY WILL ONLY HAVE TEN STUDENTS THERE OR LIMITED TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF STUDENTS ACTUALLY THERE. THE ACTIVITIES ARE MORE FOR WHEN YOU HAVE LET'S SAY THEY HAVE A CHURCH THAT WANTS TO USE AN ON SUNDAY, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF PARKING TO BE ABLE TO TO PARK THAT EVENT.

SO I'M SORRY, I'M REALLY ASKING THIS.

I'M NOT REALLY FOLLOWING YOU.

CERTAINLY. SO SCHOOL DAY BEGINS AT 8:00, LET'S SAY FROM 745 TO 815.

YOU'VE GOT 60 CARS COMING IN HERE.

HOW ARE YOU? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK IF THEY HAVE TO PARK AND GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE? CERTAINLY. AND I SEE WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS NOW ON ANY GIVEN SCHOOL DAY, THERE WILL NOT BE 60 PEOPLE THERE.

THERE WILL BE THEY'LL NEVER GO TO 60 STUDENTS, EVER.

NO, THAT'S NOT THE I THINK MAYBE MAYBE WHEN WE TALK TOGETHER, WE CAN FIND OUT HOW MANY THEY PLAN TO GROW TO THE MAXIMUM FOR THIS AND MAYBE THAT.

BUT I'M JUST FOLLOWING WHAT'S IN THE APPLICATION.

CERTAINLY. CERTAINLY. AND THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE CLARITY ON THAT.

BUT WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE BEGINNINGS WILL BE AROUND TEN AND WHEN THEY OUTGROW, THEY WILL PROBABLY OPEN A SECOND LOCATION.

BUT THAT I WILL LET THEM VERIFY.

DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THIS LAST CLEARED ON THE PARKING? NO. LOOK AT.

OKAY. YEAH.

I HAD A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

DO THAT FIRST, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I'M SORRY. WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT.

SO SHALLOW. WELL, ROAD WILL BE THE ONLY ENTRANCE INTO THE PROPERTY.

YES, MA'AM. GET THE PARKING.

SORRY. HOLD ON JUST ONE SECOND.

SO CHANGING THE TOPICS OF FIRE RESCUE HAS WEIGHED IN AND THEY SAID THEY NEED TO UPGRADE ACCESS POINTS.

SO THAT WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

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YES, ABSOLUTELY.

YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SORRY I MISSED A WORD THERE.

AND THEN PUBLIC SAFETY, TRAFFIC CONCERNS FOR THE INTERSECTION OF BROAD AND SHALLOW.

WELL, SO AGAIN, THIS IS BACK ON TRAFFIC.

YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT THOSE COMMENTS WERE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL COMMENTS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US BY PUBLIC SAFETY.

I THINK THE CLOSING OF BROAD STREET ROAD FROM THIS ACCESS HAS ADDRESSED THOSE THOSE COMMENTS TO THE BEST OF THE POSSIBLE ABILITY.

AND THE CLOSING OF THE BROAD STREET ENTRANCE IS NOT IN THE CONDITIONS BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE POD.

NO, IT IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO TO CLOSE IT.

AND THAT WOULD BE CONDITION NUMBER FIVE.

IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY NUMBER FIVE.

OH. GOTCHA.

OKAY. IS THIS AN ACCREDITED SCHOOL? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

THE. THE APPLICATION SAYS THEY THEY'RE ACCREDITED.

JUST CHECKING. SO THE APPLICATION SHOWS THE HOURS OF 830 TO 330, BUT THE CONDITIONS SAY TILL NINE.

SO THAT'S GOTTEN CHANGED FROM THE APPLICATION.

WELL, THAT'S THE HOURS THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE ACTUAL SCHOOL ITSELF.

BUT KNOWING THAT SOMETIMES ACTIVITIES SUCH AS PLAYS FOR THE CHILDREN OR, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, AS I SAID, MENTIONED THEIR COMMUNITY MEETINGS OR RENTING TO A CHURCH.

GOTCHA. AND SO THE AFTER OTHER THAN THE SCHOOL ACTIVITIES AND THEY'RE SAYING CHURCH ACTIVITIES OR I DON'T KNOW, MEETINGS OR WHATEVER, WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE CONTROL ON THOSE USES? SO THEY WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS BASICALLY ANY TYPICAL ANY ACTIVITY THAT WOULD BE RELATED TO A SCHOOL.

A LOT OF SCHOOLS DO RENT THEIR AUDITORIUMS OUT TO TO CHURCHES ON SATURDAYS OR SATURDAY EVENINGS OR SUNDAYS.

THE CONTROLS WOULD BE THE LIMITED TO THE NUMBER OF FOLKS AND THE EXCUSE ME, THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES AS WELL AS THE NUMBER THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

RIGHT. BUT I'M MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE USES.

WHAT ARE THE ARE THEY BECAUSE THE CONDITION SAYS IT'S A SCHOOL.

IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT OTHER USES, YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE IT'S A SCHOOL.

THERE ARE OTHER USES THAT ARE APPLIED.

ESSENTIALLY, ESSENTIALLY.

I MEAN, THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE WEDDING RECEPTIONS THERE.

THINGS THEY COULD HAVE WEDDINGS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A CHURCH.

BUT, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL THINGS THAT WOULD FALL INTO THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, NOT ASSOCIATED WITH AN ACCESSORY TO A SCHOOL USE WOULD WOULD FALL INTO THAT.

I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC LIST OF WHAT THOSE ARE.

IT'S KIND OF YOU KNOW IT WHEN YOU KNOW IT KIND OF SITUATION.

SO WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT THE OTHER USES WOULD BE.

I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT SHOWS A GUIDE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT LIMITS THEM THROUGH THE CFP OTHER THAN WHAT WE KNOW WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR A A A PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY. SO IF THEY WERE TO, YOU KNOW, WANT TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO AT SOME OF OUR OTHER ONES, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, DO WEDDING RECEPTIONS RENTED OUT FOR PARTIES, YOU KNOW, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.

THOSE WOULD BE WE WOULD SAY, HEY, THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION.

WHAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION IF THEY WERE TO GO OUT OF WHAT THOSE PARAMETERS OF WHAT A TYPICAL SCHOOL WOULD DO? AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING ALONG PRETTY MUCH LIMITED TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND CHURCH SERVICES AND DOING THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.

OKAY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

SURE. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SHERRY BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MISS SHERRY.

OF COURSE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME AND SAY WELCOME? GOOD EVENING. HI.

WE ARE MICHAEL AND CAITLYN ALSIP WITH ALL THE PROPERTIES WE LIVE AT 2330.

WENDY RUN, MANNEQUIN SABAT, VIRGINIA.

WE ARE SO EXCITED TO BE HERE SPEAKING WITH YOU ALL TONIGHT.

THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS, LEARNING PROCESS FOR US.

WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT ALONG THIS WAY.

I WANT TO START BY THANKING EVERYBODY AT THE COUNTY WITH FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO PLANNING AND ZONING.

THEY HAVE ALL BEEN A HUGE RESOURCE TO US HELPING US LEARN THIS PATH.

AND JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ACTING AS A NETWORK.

IT IS A NETWORK OF SCHOOLS AROUND THE WORLD.

THERE'S ABOUT 300 AROUND THE WORLD.

THEY STARTED ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO IN TEXAS.

THE FOUNDERS WANTED TO CREATE A SPACE FOR STUDENTS TO LEARN.

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WE ARE IN THAT SITUATION WITH THE COVID PANDEMIC AND RISING AGE OF KIDS.

OUR DAUGHTER WILL BE IN THIS INITIAL CLASS AS A FIVE YEAR OLD, JUST STARTING TO THINK THROUGH LIKE, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO FOR SCHOOL? WE REALLY CONSIDERED HOMESCHOOLING.

AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT AND STILL OPERATE OUR BUSINESS? AND THIS MODEL CAME INTO OUR PURVIEW AND WE WERE LIKE, THIS, THIS IS IT.

THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

AND SO WE STARTED LOOKING AROUND, WANTING TO DO IT IN GOOCHLAND, KNOWING THAT WE ARE THE FIRST IN THE RICHMOND AREA TO DO THIS.

THERE ACTUALLY IS ANOTHER APPLICANT STARTING ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO IT'S GROWING IN MOMENTUM.

THERE'S FOUR IN VIRGINIA BEACH AND A BUNCH UP AROUND D.C.

AND SO WE'RE JUST EXCITED TO BRING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GOOCHLAND AND USE IT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND CAITLIN'S GOING TO SHARE EXCUSE ME, SHARE SOME ABOUT OUR SCHOOL.

SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE TEN FAMILIES THAT HAVE THEIR CHILDREN SIGNED UP.

THEY MOSTLY MOST OF THEM LIVE IN GOOCHLAND.

THEY'RE ENTREPRENEURS THAT OWN BUSINESSES THAT YOU GUYS PASS EVERY DAY.

AND AND THEY ARE EXCITED TO CREATE A SPACE WHERE THE CHILDREN.

IT'S VERY. MUCH SELF-DIRECTED LEARNING, BUT IT IS ACCREDITED BY THE ASSOCIATION OF SELF-DIRECTED LEARNING AND WE HAVE FOUND THAT AS WE HAVE STUDIED THE WAY THAT THE NEXT, THE CURRENT GENERATION IS STRUGGLING WITH MENTAL ILLNESS AND PURPOSE AND APATHY AND A HATRED OF SCHOOL AND A LACK OF DIRECTION.

A LOT OF THAT COMES FROM LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY ARE UNIQUELY GIFTED TO DO.

AND IF WE WERE ALL UNIQUELY GIFTED TO DO SOMETHING AND CONTRIBUTE BACK TO THE WORLD, WE WANT THESE CHILDREN TO SPEND 12 YEARS OF THEIR EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPING, FIGURING OUT WHAT THEY'RE GREAT AT, AND THEN ALSO NOTICING WHAT THEY'RE NOT GREAT AT SO THEY CAN LEAVE WHEN THEY'RE 18 AND THEY CAN GROW AND GO INTO COLLEGE OR GO INTO THE TRADES AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND NOT WASTE $150,000 GOING TO DEBT FOR THE WRONG MAJOR.

SO THE ACTING MODEL IS DOUBLING IN SIZE AROUND THE WORLD BECAUSE MORE AND MORE PARENTS ARE SEEKING OUT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF EDUCATION.

AND SO FOR US, THIS PROPERTY CAME INTO OUR LIFE DURING THE PANDEMIC, AND I WILL BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU, WE DID NOT MEAN TO BECOME DEVELOPERS.

WE ARE JUST A COUPLE THAT HAVE A VISION FOR THESE CHILDREN.

AND AND SO WE HAVE LEARNED, A, WHAT GOES INTO THIS.

AND OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN BECAUSE OUR SKIN IN THE GAME IS OUR OWN CHILDREN IS SAFETY.

AND SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE ARE SPENDING A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES, TO HAVE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED LAST WEEK, AND TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE THIS EXACTLY WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY AND TO DO THIS IN A SAFE WAY.

I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE CONCERN ABOUT 60 CARDS CURRENTLY.

IF THE STUDENTS THAT WE HAVE, IF THEIR SIBLINGS ALONE COME TO ACTON, THAT WILL TRIPLE US IN SIZE IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

BUT THAT IS NOT TRIPLING THE AMOUNT OF CARS.

THAT IS ONE FAMILY AND ONE CAR.

THE OTHER CONCERNS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SPACE IS THAT FOR US, WE KNOW THAT ONCE WE GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE WOULD START ANOTHER STUDIO, WHICH WOULD BE OVER 20 FOR CHILDREN, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR WHAT IS NEXT AS FAR AS A PROPERTY.

THIS WAS A STARTING PLACE.

WE MADE AN OFFER ON THIS PROPERTY THINKING THE MEREDITH BROTHERS WEREN'T GOING TO EVEN PAY US THE TIME OF DAY BECAUSE THEY WERE DEVELOPERS THAT WANTED TO DO SOMETHING BIGGER AND GRANDER AND MORE COMMERCIAL AND OFFERED MORE MONEY AND OFFERED A LOT MORE MONEY.

BUT THEY SELECTED US BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE VISION OF THIS PROPERTY AND THEY WANTED TO SEE THEIR FAMILY PROPERTY USED FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY CONTRIBUTE BACK TO GOOCHLAND COUNTY. AND WHAT BETTER WAY TO DO THAT THAN TO HELP CHILDREN FIGURE OUT THEIR PASSION? WHEN ACTING STUDENTS HIT HIGH SCHOOL, MAJORITY OF THEIR TIME IS SPENT IN THE FIELD GETTING APPRENTICESHIPS.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE REAL WORLD, DEVELOPING SKILLS, LEARNING HOW TO SHOW UP ON TIME, LEARNING HOW TO HAVE A BOSS, LEARNING HOW TO BE SELF DIRECTED.

THEY ACTUALLY SPEND A LOT OF THEIR TIME WORKING IN THE WORKFORCE AND SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE GREATEST CONTRIBUTIONS TO GOOCHLAND BECAUSE WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THOSE APPRENTICESHIPS IN THEIR HOMETOWN.

I THINK THAT'S IT.

GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. SO I DO THINK IT'S A VERY COOL IDEA.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THE QUESTION THAT REASON I ASKED ABOUT BEING ACCREDITED IS I DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T KNOW IF THESE STUDENTS WOULD GO TO HIGH SCHOOL AND PUBLIC SCHOOL OR GO TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL.

I GUESS IT PROBABLY IS A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.

RIGHT? SURE. BUT I'VE JUST WONDERED WOULD IF THEY WANTED TO GO TO GOOCHLAND HIGH SCHOOL AFTER LEAVING THIS, WHAT IS OUR POLICY? IS THAT TRANSITION? YES. CAN THEY EVEN GET INTO OUR HIGH SCHOOL? BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE EVERY SCHOOL ALLOWS NONCREDIT.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE CONFUSED AND A LOT OF THE QUEST AND THE BADGE WORK AND THE PROJECTS THAT THEY COMPLETE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NON TRADITIONAL.

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IT'S THE SAME IDEA OF IF A CHILD WENT TO A MONTESSORI SCHOOL OR IF A CHILD WAS HOMESCHOOLED UNTIL EIGHTH GRADE AND DECIDED, I'M READY FOR PUBLIC SCHOOL, THAT'S THAT'S THE EXACT SAME PROCESS THAT THEY WOULD GO THROUGH.

OKAY. WELL, THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND ANOTHER THOUGHT WE HAVE HAD WITH IF IF WE SEE A NEED FOR MORE LIKE THE NEED FOR PARKING, WE CAN DO A STAGGERED DROP OFF WHERE WE HAVE FAMILIES DROP OFF FROM 8 TO 815 AND THEN 815 TO 830 WAS ANOTHER THOUGHT WE HAD OF OF WAY TO STAGGER THAT BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW KNOWING THAT WE THE GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE 60 CHILDREN ON THE PROPERTY THE GOAL IS TO BE ABLE WHEN THEY HAVE AN EXHIBITION.

SO AT THE END OF EVERY LEARNING SESSION, PARENTS COME TO SEE THEIR CHILDREN PUT ON DISPLAY WHAT THEY HAVE LEARNED.

AND SO PARENTS NEED TO BE ABLE TO COME TO THE WAREHOUSE SPACE, WHICH IS A 3500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE STUDENTS PUT UP A FARE OF SORTS WHERE THEY YOU WALK AROUND THE ROOM AND SEE WHAT THE CHILD HAS ACTUALLY LEARNED.

AND SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THESE FAMILIES THAT THEY COULD.

GRANDPARENTS TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

AND SO WHEN SHE'S TALKING ABOUT OTHER EVENTS THAT THE EXHIBITIONS FOR US, THAT IS THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT.

MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I OPEN UP.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WHAT IS THE CAPACITY GOING TO BE? THIS IS EXCITING. I SEE YOU GUYS AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE FLIER WITH US.

I THINK YOU SENT THAT YESTERDAY.

I'VE BEEN READING ABOUT AND I'LL SEE IF YOU REMEMBER LORD ACTON'S QUOTE.

YES. SO BUT THIS IS I'M EXCITED FOR YOU.

I SEE THE PASSION AND HAVING COME FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD, I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD.

AND AND THIS THIS KIND OF CHOICE IS JUST IT'S SO NEEDED.

AND I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST AND I'M ALL IN FAVOR.

BUT I DO LIKE MY LAST QUESTION ON THE LAST APPLICATION WAS I LIKE TO MAKE SURE OUR OUR CONDITIONS JUST ARE CLEAR.

THERE SHOULD BE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.

SO THE REASON I ASK ABOUT CAPACITY, I THINK IS WHERE MISS LASKO WAS GOING.

IT DOES SAY A MAXIMUM OF 60 ATTENDEES MAY BE PRESENT AT ANY UP ACTIVITY EVENT.

AND THEN WE GOT INTO ALL WHAT IS THE Q ACTIVITY EVENT? AND THEN IT SAYS ANYTHING THAT'S TYPICAL FOR SCHOOLS.

SO IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING IN THE EVENING, I COULD SEE THAT.

AND YOU WANT TO SAY YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 60 ATTENDEES? WELL, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM NOW, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR 60 CARS, DO YOU KNOW? WE HAVE, I BELIEVE, 22 PARKING SPACES ON THE POD.

AND THAT WOULD SPEAK TO THE IDEA THAT WE OUR GOAL IS NOT TO GET TO 60 ATTENDEES.

THAT IS WHAT A MAXIMUM COULD BE AS FAR AS WHAT THE PAPER SAYS.

BUT FOR US, WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT MANY STUDENTS ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT WE'RE ALREADY IN.

WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT MANY PEOPLE COMING TO THE PROPERTY FOR LIKE AN EVENING OF THAT, WOULD YOU? I MEAN, 60, 60.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A DETERRENT FOR US.

BUT THEY WOULDN'T ALL COME IN A SINGLE CAR, I GUESS, BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T OR THEY'D HAVE TO FIND THEM.

NO, BUT THEY I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY COULD COME IF THEY ARE PARENTS OF 3 TO 4 CHILDREN AND THE PARENTS ARE WRITING TOGETHER AT 22 PARKING SPACES PLUS SOME STAFF AREA PARKING, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT.

WE WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH PLUM PICKENS AND THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAS BECOME A DEAR FRIEND.

AND SHE WE HAD BEEN THERE AT SOME TIMES WHERE THEY WERE DOING VERY WELL AND AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT THEY WOULD HAVE 10 TO 12 CARS, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HAVE THEM WRAPPED AROUND WHEN THEY'RE HAVING ONE OF THEIR SALES WHERE THEY HAD FOOD TRUCKS, PEOPLE WERE PULLING IN AND OUT OF BROAD STREET.

AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE PAID FOR SHATTERED GLASS FROM PEOPLE SPINNING OUT IN THAT BIG WIDE ENTRANCE.

AND SO FOR US, WE HAVE TAKEN ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, KNOWING THE SIZE DOES MATTER.

BUT AS FAR AS DANGER, AS FAR AS BEING A HINDRANCE TO BROAD STREET AND TRAFFIC FLOW MARKING OFF BROAD STREET AND THEN EXPANDING, TEARING DOWN AND MAKING AS MANY PARKING SPACES AS POSSIBLE, THAT IS HOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO A PLACE OF FEELING COMFORTABLE AFTER SEEING WHAT SHE WAS ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH.

WE DO FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING 60 PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY.

I THINK. I THINK YOU'RE DEFINITELY MAKING IT SAFER.

YOU'RE MAKING THE INTERSECTION SAFER, IT SEEMS LIKE, TO ME SO.

AND I LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE AND AND.

ALEX. WHAT IS IT HERE? ACCESSORY USE.

IS A SUBORDINATE USE OR STRUCTURE CUSTOMARILY INCIDENTAL TO.

IN MY SCRIPT PAGE WON'T SCROLL OVER HERE.

CAN THE ATTORNEY HELP ME OUT? BUT YOU CAN READ IT TO A SUBORDINATE USE OR STRUCTURE AND THIS GOES TO WHERE YOU WERE GOING.

[04:50:01]

SO I THINK ITS WIDE OPEN.

IT HAS TO BE CUSTOMARY TO A SCHOOL USE AND INCIDENTAL, THEREFORE SMALLER THAN THAN SUBORDINATE TO THE SCHOOL.

BUT FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU APPROVE A SCHOOL, YOU APPROVE A TRACK, MEET WHAT MEAN.

BUT THAT'S INCIDENTAL TO SCHOOLING.

THAT'S NOT THE EDUCATION OF CHILDREN.

SO THAT TYPE OF STUFF THAT IS CUSTOMARY INCIDENTAL TO SCHOOLS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SCHOOLS OFTEN DO IS ALLOW CHURCHES TO USE THEIR BIG MEETING SPACES.

SO THAT'S SO THAT'S THE GUIDELINE IS AN ACCESSORY USE CUSTOMARY AT A SCHOOL.

AND THAT'S THAT'S A DEFINITION THAT.

MR. LUMPKIN. PARDON ME.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE WE HAVE HAD A SMALL HOUSE CHURCH THAT MEETS IT.

HOMES APPROACH US.

AND SO WHEN WE STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS, ANITA, MS..

BARNES RECOMMENDED DREAM BIG, YOU KNOW, PUT IT ALL ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

LIKE IF YOU THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE A CHURCH MEET THERE, PUT IT IN.

AND SO THAT WAS OUR THINKING AND DOING THAT.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT WHEN WE PUT IN THE NEW DRAIN FIELD, THAT IS KIND OF WHERE OUR CAP CAME FROM OF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE KIDS THERE DURING THE WEEK, BUT YOU COULD ALSO HAVE A MEETING OF UP TO 2 HOURS ON A WEEKEND.

LIKE THAT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE DRAIN FIELD.

SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE THINKING IN INCLUDING THAT.

AND THEN WHEN WE USE GRACE CHINESE BAPTIST CHURCH FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, WE TALKED WITH TOM AND LIKE WE WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO HOST OTHER COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

WE WOULD WANT TO BE A RESOURCE TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

THE HOUSE CHURCH IS CURRENTLY 18 PEOPLE AND THEY THEY WANTED TO THEY WANTED TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO GET OUT OF PEOPLE'S LIVING ROOMS AND JUST MEET IN A MORE COMMUNAL SPACE.

COULD THEY DO THAT? AND THAT IS THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THAT IS INCLUDED THERE.

AND BUT FOR US AS A SCHOOL, THERE ARE NO SPORTS TEAMS. WE HOPE WE CAN TEACH CURSIVE.

YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A ONE.

YES, YES, YES.

EXACTLY. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? DON'T YOU WANT TO HEAR LORD ACTON'S QUOTE? YES, OF COURSE. PLEASE.

YES, BUT POWER TENDS TO CORRUPT AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY. PUT THAT ON THE BACK WALL.

YEAH, EXACTLY. OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

JONATHAN LAU 1521 MANIKIN ROAD.

I ALWAYS FEEL BADLY WHEN NO ONE SPEAKS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND SOMETIMES THAT'S SEEN AS TACIT APPROVAL.

BUT I WANT TO BE VOCAL IN SAYING THAT, YEAH, I DID HEAR SOME PASSION UP HERE.

I HEARD SOMEBODY WHO WAS INVESTED IN A CONCEPT.

IN MY WORLD, THE EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THOSE ARE THE SUCCESSES THAT USUALLY OCCUR.

I ALSO APPRECIATE THIS BOARD ASKING QUESTIONS BECAUSE MR. LUMPKIN MADE THE COMMENT, ARE WE CLEAR ON OUR CONDITIONAL USES? I HAVE SOME MIGHT SAY, POORLY RAISED, A COUPLE OF KIDS.

AND WHEN I SAY NO DESSERT UNTIL YOUR MEAL IS FINISHED, THAT MEANS PUT IT IN A GARBAGE CAN AND THEN I CAN HAVE DESSERT.

SO BEING CLEAR ON WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE.

BUT I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT YOU AS A BOARD DO NOT TRY AND WRITE A BUSINESS PLAN FOR PEOPLE UP HERE.

YOU GIVE THEM CONSTRAINTS THAT ARE FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD, WHICH I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE.

AND TRAFFIC IS ONE OF THOSE CONCERNS.

BUT YOU'RE NOT IN THERE SUGGESTING, WELL, YOU SHOULD STAGGER YOUR DROP OFF AND PICK UP TIMES OR YOU NEED TO PUT A TWO STOREY PARKING DECK IN OR THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES. SO I APPRECIATE THE LATITUDE THAT YOU'RE GIVING FOLKS, BUT I ALSO HOPE THAT YOU WILL APPROVE THIS.

AND LET'S SEE ANOTHER DREAM COME TO FRUITION.

THANKS. THANK YOU, MR..

WHILE ANYONE ELSE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WHAT? YOUR PLEASURE. I'LL PUT A MOTION OUT THERE AND THEN ANYBODY CAN DISCUSS AS THEY AS THEY CARE TO.

BUT I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GRANT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

Q 2020 200005 FOR A SCHOOL AT 1037 BROAD STREET ROAD, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.

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IF THE VOTE GOES LIKE THIS.

BUT I THINK TO MR. LYLE'S POINT, HE SEES THE PASSION AND THAT'S EXCITING.

BUT I ALSO SEE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DISCOVERED THAT THIS IS COSTING MORE MONEY THAN YOU PROBABLY IMAGINED, RIGHT? YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS COMING UP, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU STICKING TO IT AND I WISH YOU THE BEST.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND THIS GOES BACK TO JUST KIND OF GET RESOLVED THIS WHOLE PARKING ISSUE FOR ME.

I'M SURE WE HAVE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF SPACES REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE USE.

YEAH. SO THE NUMBER 60, FIRST OF ALL, CAME FROM THE CAPACITY OF THE BUILDING BASED ON WHAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HAD SAID.

AND SO KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WERE INCIDENTAL TO A SCHOOL, THEY MENTIONED THE GRANDPARENTS AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.

THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THIS SCHOOL IS VERY, VERY SMALL.

SO IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO I THINK IT'S FOR STUDENTS.

I MEAN, FOUR PARKING SPACES PER CLASSROOM, UP TO SIX DEPENDING ON THE AGE LEVEL.

SO THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO AT MINIMUM MEET THAT AND AT MINIMUM MEETING THAT THEY WITH THEIR 22 SPACES THAT WOULD SATISFY BOTH THE SCHOOL REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS IF IT WERE TO HAVE A CHURCH, WE WOULD GO BACK TO LIKE WHAT THE CHURCH WOULD REQUIRE AND IT WOULD MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE NUMBER OF SPACES COMPLIES WITH OUR ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS BUILDING AND THE PROPOSED USE.

AND THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL SAYS 60 PEOPLE CAN STAND IN THERE, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE.

IT DOES. OFFERED MORE THAN THE MINIMUM, AND THAT MINIMUM WOULD COVER A CHURCH IF IT WERE IF IT WERE A CHURCH SPACE, A NUMBER OF SPACES FIRST.

IF FOR SOME IF 60 PEOPLE WERE TO ATTEND AN EVENT AND THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT THEY MENTIONED THAT WAS LARGER IT WOULD MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

THANK YOU. MAKES ME THIS LAST CLIP.

DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR ARE YOU READY TO VOTE? NO, I'M READY TO VOTE.

OKAY. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I THINK THAT THIS ACHIEVES A LOT OF GOOD POSSIBILITIES.

ONE, IT CLOSES EXCUSE ME, THE BROAD STREET ENTRANCE, WHICH.

HAVING BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT IN THAT INTERSECTION AT ONE TIME BECAUSE OF THAT ENTRANCE, I THINK IT'S A GREAT A GREAT SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC.

IT'S OCCUPYING A SPACE THAT HAS HAD A CHALLENGING PAST.

I CAN'T THINK OF HOW MANY DIFFERENT BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN IN THAT THOSE BUILDINGS IN THE LAST 18 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.

IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND I DID QUITE A BIT OF RESEARCH ON THE SCHOOL BEFORE TONIGHT AND IT PROVIDES SCHOOL CHOICE.

AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE GREAT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE GOOD FOR PEOPLE.

MONTESSORI SCHOOLS ARE GOOD FOR PEOPLE.

AND THE ACTIVE SCHOOLS IS GOOD FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

AND I THINK HAVING PARENTS, HAVING THOSE CHOICES ARE WHAT MAKES LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY GREAT.

MR. CARPENTER. MR. PETERSON. YES.

MS.. SCARLETT. YES.

MR. LUMPKIN. YES.

MR. SHARP. YES.

MR. SPOONER. YES.

THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS.

AND, MRS. ALLSOPP, IF YOU'RE NOT ALREADY AN AMBASSADOR FOR ACTON MODEL, YOU DEFINITELY SHOULD.

SHOULD APPLY. I'M SURE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

OUR NEXT APPLICATION IS A REZONING REQUEST FROM A TWO TO R ONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED TO HAVE A

[5. 5414: District 5 - RZ-2022-00005 Application by Spruce Homes, LLC requesting a]

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE DEEP RUN HUNT COUNTY COUNTRY COMMUNITY.

EXCUSE ME. I REALLY, REALLY PRACTICED THAT BEFORE I GOT HERE.

I SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN IT DOWN AND JUST READ IT.

FORGIVE ME. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED.

THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING IT TO THE EAST, SOUTH AND MAJORITY OF THE WEST ARE AS WELL.

THE RR IS THE BROAD BRANCH SUBDIVISION THAT'S RESIDENTIAL, RURAL.

WE HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREAS AS IT DOES THE ENTIRE

[05:00:03]

TO THE EAST WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOW AS THE RECOMMENDATION.

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY VACANT.

I MENTIONED THE SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH.

THERE'S ALSO DOVER BRANCH ACROSS HERMITAGE RIDGE, A LITTLE FARTHER TO THE SOUTH.

OTHER THAN THAT, THERE ARE VACANT PROPERTIES AS WELL AS SOME LARGE LOT OF RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

SO AS I MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SEVEN LOT SUBDIVISION.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR FOR THIS COMMUNITY IS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF TWO ACRES.

THE AVERAGE SIZE THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS ONE AND A HALF ACRES, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE PLAN RECOMMENDS.

HOWEVER, IF YOU WERE TO DO THE DENSITY WHICH IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE OPEN SPACE, IT WOULD BE GENERALLY CONSISTENT.

THE SITE IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE S.D.

BOUNDARY, SO IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE IN THE CSD DISTRICT.

THE BOUNDARY IS ON THE OTHER SIDE, DIRECTLY ACROSS ON HERMITAGE ROAD, SO THAT IT WILL BE SERVED BY PRIVATE, WELL AND SEPTIC.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING THROUGH THIS APPLICATION A WAIVER OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES.

THE APPLICANT IS OFFERING RIGHT OF WAY FOR FUTURE WIDENING OF HERMITAGE ROAD.

HERE IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

AS I MENTIONED, YOU CAN SEE THE SEVEN LOTS, ONE ENTRANCE OFF OF HERMITAGE ROAD.

THEY HAVE PROFFERED A 100 FOOT BUFFER ALONG HERMITAGE ROAD AS WELL AS 100 FOOT BUFFER BEHIND THIS LOT, WHICH IS LOT SEVEN.

THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED FOR OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS TURNS INTO A 35 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE PERIMETER.

IF YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE OPEN SPACE, IT'S APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES WHICH MEETS THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO MITIGATE CAPITAL IMPACTS BY OFFERING A CASH PROFFER OF $9,809 PER RESIDENTIAL USE.

CONCERNS WITH THIS APPLICATION.

I MENTIONED THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING THE WAIVER FOR TURN LANE.

THEY THE CODE REQUIRES MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS TO HAVE ON ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR ROADS TO HAVE BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES. THE I JUST NOTICED THAT TYPO IN THEIR HERMITAGE ROAD IS CLASSIFIED AS A MAJOR COLLECTOR, WHICH IS WHY OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES IT. I STARTED TYPING THAT THE COUNTY HAS MUCH STRICTER REQUIREMENTS THAN VDOT WOULD HAD, SO THROUGH THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY THEY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO ACTUALLY HAVE TURN LANES.

WE DO HAVE SOME EXAMPLES ON THE NEXT SLIDE AS TO WHY STAFF IS ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING THAT THEY HAVE AT LEAST A RIGHT TURN LANE.

BUT THROUGH THIS WAIVER PROCESS, THINGS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ARE SIGHT DISTANCE, THE FREQUENCY OF REAR END CRASHES, TRAFFIC VOLUMES, SPEED LIMIT AND CAPACITY OF THE RECEIVING, MEANING THE SEVEN LOTS.

I CAN GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE.

I DID DO SOME RESEARCH ON ALL OF THOSE.

NONE OF THOSE REALLY POSE A CONCERN FOR STAFF.

TURN LANES CONTINUED.

WE HAVE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE RIGHT TURN LANE.

THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH SIMILAR SIZED SUBDIVISIONS IN THE AREA.

DOVER BRANCH BROAD RUN THE OLDER VERSION SECTIONS OF KINLOCH FAIRWAY ESTATES.

THEY ALL PROVIDE THE RIGHT TURN LANES WE DO HAVE.

IN MORE RECENT TIMES WE HAVE KINLOCH 2016.

THEY PROVIDE IT.

AND THEN MORE RECENTLY THIS IS ACTUALLY AN OIL BILL, BUT WE DO HAVE A NINE LOT SUBDIVISION THAT DOES DO A RIGHT LANE.

SO ADDITIONAL CONCERNS ARE FOR LACK OF DETAILS THROUGH THE SUPPLEMENTAL LANGUAGE IN THE BUFFER.

THE PROPER STATES AND THIS IS JUST A PORTION OF WHAT THE PROFFER SAYS SUPPLEMENTAL TREES OR VEGETATION SHALL BE PROVIDED WITHIN SUCH BUFFERS TO REPLACE ANY DEAD OR DISEASED TREES. THEN STAFF IS HAS SOME SUGGESTED LANGUAGE THAT COULD IMPROVE THIS PROFFER. THIS GETS INTO ACTUALLY PROVIDING MORE DETAIL AS TO WHERE SUPPLEMENTAL PLANTINGS WOULD BE

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SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE HAVE SUGGESTED IS WHERE BUFFERS THIS WOULD BE ADDING TO THEIR EXISTING NOT DOING ANY REPLACING, BUT THIS WOULD BE ADDING TO THEIR PROFFER WHERE BUFFERS AREAS ARE DISTURBED OR WHERE EXISTING NATIVE TIMBER STANDS ARE LESS THAN 50 FEET IN DEPTH.

THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MAY REQUIRE, THROUGH THE PROVISION OF ONE OR MORE DOUBLE STAGGERED ROWS OF EVERGREENS, TREES, MINIMUM OF SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND AT TIME OF PLANTING. THIS WOULD BASICALLY, ONCE THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING THROUGH AND ONCE THE CLEARING HAD OCCURRED THROUGH DEVELOPING THE SITE, WE COULD ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND EVALUATE MEASURED THE 50 FEET AND THEN NOT SAY THIS MANY REQUIRED DOUBLE DOSE, BUT WHATEVER IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE MISSING THE MISSING BUFFER.

THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD ON BACK IN MAY.

THREE CITIZENS ATTENDED, ALONG WITH SUPERVISOR PETERSON AS WELL AS COMMISSION MEMBER MR. PITUCK. DISCUSSION INCLUDED THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE AREA, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED AT THE MEETING, HOUSING PRICES, WATER AND SEPTIC.

THE TCSD BUFFERS AND PROTECTING TREES TURN LANES.

BASIC TRAFFIC ON HERMITAGE ROAD AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.

ATTENDEES WERE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS APPLICATION.

IN JUNE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WITH A 5 0 VOTE AND NOBODY SPOKE AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

SO AS I MENTIONED, THEY HAVE OFFERED PROFFERS THAT INCLUDE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AS WELL AS A CASH PROFFER OF $9,809, MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SEVEN LOTS WITH ONLY ONE ACCESS TO HERMITAGE ROAD, THE BUFFER, 100 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE FRONT AS WELL AS BEHIND LOT SEVEN AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

I'D MENTIONED THAT THIS BUFFER COULD BE IMPROVED BY ADDING THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT MEASURABLE AND APPROPRIATELY ADDRESS THE ON THE GROUND CONDITIONS.

UTILITIES WILL BE UNDERGROUND.

THIS IS A CHANGE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT WAS IN YOUR PACKET CORRECTLY, WHICH IS WHY IT'S NOT ON THE DAIS.

BUT THE APPLICANT IS DOING A DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY OF 35 FEET.

INITIALLY THEY HAD 45 FEET IN THEIR PROFFERS AND ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

WE HAD THEM REDUCE IT TO 35 FEET BECAUSE IT IS ONLY A 70 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.

SO IT'S CONSISTENT AND ALSO IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY.

WHAT THEY ADDED AT THE END AND THEN THE TURN LANE WAIVER, THEY'RE PROPOSING NO TURN LANES, AS I SUGGESTED, THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS AT LEAST A TURN A RIGHT TURN LANE.

SO THAT WAS KIND OF FAST AND FURIOUS, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO MAKE SURE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD? SORRY.

THAT'S WHAT I HEAR.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

IF YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND.

SURE. MY NAME IS JORDAN HUTCHINS.

I'M THE OWNER OF FIRST CONSTRUCTION.

AND EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT AND TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT BASKETBALL TREES.

AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL KIND OF SHOOT THROUGH A QUICK PRESENTATION JUST TO ADD A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION FOR THE BOARD.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WE ARE.

SPRUCE CONSTRUCTION WAS FOUNDED IN 2013.

I STARTED IT MYSELF AND HAVE GROWN EVER SINCE THEN.

WE ARE A SMALL CUSTOM BUILDER.

WE SPECIALIZE IN WHOLE HOUSE RENOVATIONS AND ALSO NEW CONSTRUCTION.

I'M A RESIDENT HERE OF GOOCHLAND LIVE IN CROSIER AND OUR PASSION IS REALLY JUST HIGH END, REALLY WELL DONE.

CUSTOM HOMES, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO BRING HERE WITH THIS COMMUNITY AS.

AS WAS MENTIONED, WE ARE PROPOSING SEVEN LOTS WHICH HAS THE BUFFER AROUND THE COMMUNITY.

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I WANT THAT TO BE THE FEEL FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

MY INTENT IS CERTAINLY NOT TO CLEARCUT, LIKE MOST DEVELOPERS DO, AND TAKE OUT A BUNCH OF TREES.

I WOULD LOVE TO ACTUALLY PRESERVE SOME TREES AND KIND OF KEEP THAT THAT THAT NICE FEEL TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S VERY WOODED. NOW, THERE'S A SMALL SECTION THERE BEHIND A LOT TO THAT.

YOU CAN SEE THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANY TREES.

BUT AGAIN, OUR INTENT IS REALLY TO KEEP A THE TREES ALONG THE BUFFER, AS WAS MENTIONED IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS MENTIONED.

I THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE AS IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS, AGAIN, KEEP THAT THAT TREE BARRIER THERE.

AND THEN ALSO, AGAIN, WE WOULD LOVE TO KEEP THOSE TREES ON SITE AS WELL.

IN TERMS OF CONCEPTUALLY, I WANTED TO GIVE A FEEL OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE AND FEELS AS YOU COME IN.

I LOVE STONE. I LOVE THE COMMUNITIES WE SEE HERE IN GOOCHLAND AROUND THE AREA.

AND THIS IS SORT OF JUST AN IDEA OF OF KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR AS FAR AS DESIGN STANDARDS.

AGAIN, THESE THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE HIGH CUSTOM HOMES, BEAUTIFUL CUSTOM HOMES THAT WOULD FEATURE STONE HARDIE PLANK BRICK, JUST DIFFERENT PORCHES AND AGAIN, VERY CLASSIC ARCHITECTURE.

AND I INCLUDED SOME IMAGES HERE TO KIND OF AGAIN EVOKE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD.

SO THIS IS A VERY TRADITIONAL FARMHOUSE STYLE ARCHITECTURE, LARGE FRONT PORCHES, DORMERS, FOUR SQUARE CHIMNEYS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. ALSO, I LOVE JUST SOUTHERN ARCHITECTURE, WHICH HAS ELEMENTS OF LARGE COLUMNS MORE AGAIN, STONE SHAKE, LARGE SHUTTERS, BAY WINDOWS.

THOSE ARE ALL ELEMENTS OF THAT SORT OF SOUTHERN STYLE.

AND THEN ALSO, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, STONE METAL ROOFS.

AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST IDEAS TO KIND OF GET.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE DOWNFALLS OF A LOT OF BUILDERS IS THEY'LL SHOW THESE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES AND THEN THIS IS NOT WHAT THEY BUILT, RIGHT? THEY BUILD SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAT IS NOT IN LINE WITH THIS.

BUT AGAIN, THESE WERE CAREFULLY SELECTED TO SHOW EXACTLY WHAT MY INTENTIONS ARE.

SO IT'S NOT I DON'T WANT TO DEVIATE GREATLY FROM THIS.

I WANT THIS TO BE WHAT IT LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS MORE OF A DUTCH GAMBLE STYLE ROOF THAT JUST WOULD SEEM TO FIT IN WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEN A COLONIAL STYLE AS WELL.

AGAIN, JUST SOME MORE EXAMPLES OF PATIO COVERED SPACES AND THEN MAYBE SOME INTERIOR SORT OF CONCEPTUAL IDEAS AS WELL.

OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.

HOPEFULLY THAT ADDS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE PRESENTATION, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BOARD ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? MAGGIE, I KNOW I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD AND I DON'T FORGET THAT.

I JUST YOU MADE A COMMENT, SIR, THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING THE LANGUAGE IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE BUFFER.

AND I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM ON THE RECORD THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO AMEND THE PROFFER FOR THE LANGUAGE WITH RESPECT TO THE BUFFER.

YES, BUT THAT'S A VOLUNTARY AMENDMENT.

YOU'LL MAKE SURE. THANK YOU.

SO LET'S QUIT. OH, SO NOW THAT BRINGS UP A QUESTION.

SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 100 FOOT BUFFER IN THE FRONT? YES, MA'AM. SO IT'S 100 FOOT ALONG THE HERMITAGE? YES, MA'AM. AND THEN 35 AROUND THE.

THERE'S ALSO A BUFFER THERE TOWARDS THE.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL THIS.

GO BACKWARDS HERE.

SO THERE'S THE 100 FOOT THERE IN THE FRONT AND THEN ALSO THERE BEHIND LOT SEVEN.

GOTCHA. SO THAT'S ALREADY BUILT INTO THE INTO THE CONDITION.

YES. THE 100 FOOT BUFFERS IN THE CONDITIONS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ORDNANCE REQUIRED, WHEREAS THE 35 FOOT BUFFER IS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE IT.

THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE IT. GOTCHA.

OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU.

40. PETERSON.

DO YOU HAVE A PRICE POINT IN MIND? I THINK REALISTICALLY, GIVEN PRICES RIGHT NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULD GATHER 1000000 TO 1.5 SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

OKAY. LET'S LOOK.

IS THAT A NO? NO. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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ON THE BUFFER. YES, SIR.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT RURAL CHARACTER AND WHATNOT.

TO THE STAFF TALKED ABOUT THE BUFFER FOR 100 FEET.

THERE ARE AREAS WHERE IT MAY NOT BE AS THICK.

YES. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THROWING IN EVERGREENS, WHICH ARE ANYTHING BUT RURAL.

AND WE'VE GOT EVERGREENS IN A SUBDIVISION NOT FAR FROM HERE THAT WE'RE PUT IN TO AND ATTEMPT TO FIX A BUFFER THAT AT LEAST 20% OF THEM ARE DEAD AND THEY'VE ONLY BEEN IN THERE FOR SEVEN MONTHS.

THOSE THINGS DON'T LAST.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 100 FOOT BUFFER THAT IS ATTEMPTING TO MAINTAIN A RURAL CHARACTER.

SURE. WHY DON'T WE PUT IN TREES THAT DON'T LOOK RURAL? SURE. INSTEAD OF EVERGREENS THAT.

SO. SO YOU'RE SPEAKING TO MY HEART.

I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT BY DEGREE.

I WOULD AGREE.

I MEAN, I THINK THE EVERGREENS ARE NOT EXACTLY FITTING IN WITH THAT CHARACTER.

NOW, I WILL SAY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE HERE BECAUSE IT'S VERY THICK AS IT SITS.

RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SPARSE AS IT SITS.

IT'S A VERY DENSE, WOODED AREA.

BUT IS YOUR SUGGESTION TO SAY, LET'S PUT SOME DECIDUOUS TREES IN THERE AND SAID LIKE AN OAK OR A OR A MAPLES OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE TO SAY, IF WE'RE THIN AND WE NEED TO PUT IN, WHY DON'T WE PUT IN OAKS AND POPLARS.

MAPLES. YEAH. MAPLES AND YEAH I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE.

YEAH. RIGHT.

LIKE A CYPRESS OR A SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE NOT FITTING WITH A RURAL.

I WOULD AGREE. I WOULD AGREE.

SO YOU WOULD. THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU GETTING SOMETHING IN WRITING? THAT'S WHAT. YEAH.

I MEAN, AGAIN, TO BE HONEST, I THINK IF IF WE WERE GOING TO REPLACE TREES, I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT EITHER.

AND REALLY, FRANKLY, PONDS ARE BRITTLE AS WELL.

SO YEAH, SOMETHING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF OAK OR THE LANGUAGE ON THE DOUBLE STAG OR TREES CAME FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

AND I THINK PROBABLY SHE'S THE RIGHT PERSON TO SPEAK TO THAT WHILE WE NEEDED THE APPLICANT TO SAY WHAT HE THOUGHT.

BUT IN TERMS OF WHY THAT'S WHERE SHE WENT, YEAH, THAT WAS JUST CONSISTENT LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE BEEN USING WITH OTHER SIMILAR CASES.

STAFF COULD, COULD, WOULD ENTERTAIN A DECIDUOUS TREE.

I WAS JUST LOOKING THROUGH THE ORDINANCE TO SEE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SPECIFICALLY RECOMMEND RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT BEHIND US.

PERHAPS HE HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN, YOU KNOW, A DECIDUOUS TREE EVERY 5800 FEET AND MAYBE SOME SHRUBS OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN.

DOES THAT SOUND ANYTHING YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PULL OUT OF THERE? WELL, I DON'T. WITH ENOUGH WIGGLE ROOM.

RIGHT. THE INTENT OF HOW THAT WAS WRITTEN WAS TO GIVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM SO THAT IT'S JUST NOT SO SO STRAIGHTFORWARD THAT WE LOOK AND SAY OR IT IS STRAIGHTFORWARD. SO NOT IT'S NOT ARBITRARY, THOUGH.

YEAH. GO AHEAD AND PUT SOME TREES UP.

A MEASUREMENT ALONG WITH A REQUIREMENT IS WHAT THE INTENT WAS.

YEAH. SO I WOULD SAY IF IN KEEPING WITH IT'S 50 FEET, RIGHT, IF THERE'S A SEVEN, A 50 FEET OF.

YEAH. IF WE WANT TO SAY SURE WE PLANT AN OAK OR MAPLE OR SOME OTHER SIMILAR DECIDUOUS TREE, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

JUST MAKES IT LOOK. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO ANYWAY AGAIN TO BE TO BE HONEST AND.

RIGHT. YES, SIR, I AGREE.

AND MS..

SHERRY WAS JUST SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD BE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S LESS THAN THAT, 50 FEET.

THE PROFFER AMENDMENT GOES ON TO SAY THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MAY REQUIRE THE PROVISION OF AND SHE WAS SUGGESTING YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE SOME LIMIT ON WHAT SHE COULD REQUIRE MAY REQUIRE THE PROVISION OF A DECIDUOUS TREE EVERY TEN FEET.

I MEAN, SHE WAS TRYING TO PROVIDE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE GUIDEPOSTS AROUND WHAT SHE WOULD BE ENTITLED TO REQUIRE.

WELL, I GUESS SO.

TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE SAYING BASICALLY INSTEAD OF JUST STATING 50 FEET, WE WOULD SAY A DECIDUOUS TREE EVERY 50 FEET.

IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING? YEAH, THE IT STARTS TO SAY THIS IS WHEN WE'RE BUFFER AREAS ARE DISTURBED AND THIS OR WHERE EXISTING NATIVE TIMBER STANDS ARE LESS THAN 50 FEET IN DEPTH.

SO YOU'VE GOT THAT 100 FOOT BUFFER, BUT YOU HAVE SOME PORTION OF IT WHERE THE TREE STANDS WHEN YOU'RE DONE IS IS SMALLER THAN 50 FEET.

THEN THEN WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GETS TO ASK YOU AND REQUIRE TO YOU PROVIDE WHAT SHE ORIGINALLY HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE STAGGERED TREES,

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I'M NOT. YEAH I DON'T DO THIS BUT.

RIGHT. I MEAN WE DON'T WANT TO ALSO GET TREES TEN FEET FROM EACH OTHER THAT ARE 70 FEET TALL AND THIS BIG AROUND.

SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

YEAH. I MEAN, IT COULD BE IT SIMPLY COULD SAY THE REQUIRE OF THE PROVISION OF DECIDUOUS TREES TO FILL IN, YOU KNOW, THE SCREENING.

BUT THAT GIVES HER SOME I MEAN, YOU CAN TRUST HER, BUT THAT GIVES HER THAT.

WOULD THAT AT MINIMUM MIGHT BE SOMETHING IN THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE REAL.

WE WOULDN'T WANT TO PLANT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO DIE BECAUSE OF THE TOO CLOSE TOGETHER, BUT TO ACHIEVE THAT SAME BUFFER EFFECT, RATHER THAN JUST HAVE A TREE.

SO AGAIN, THAT WIGGLE ROOM, NOT SO THAT WE ARE IMPOSING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NECESSARY.

RIGHT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME ACHIEVING THE BUFFER LANE GREATER.

I'M A CHESTERFIELD COUNTY RESIDENT, BUT REPRESENTING SOME OF THE ENGINEERING EFFORTS HERE, I JUST WANTED TO CHIME INTO THE CONVERSATION TO ADD SEE ONE FROM THE LANDSCAPE STANDARDS ALONG ROADWAYS AND ACCESS EASEMENTS FROM GOOCHLAND COUNTY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT A BUFFER AT LEAST TEN FEET WIDE MAINTAINED ALONG ALL ROADWAY FRONTAGES IS THE DEFAULT FOR THAT TEN FOOT BUFFER.

A MINIMUM OF TWO TREES OF TWO INCH AND CALIPER PER 100 LINEAR FEET IS PRESCRIBED.

SO I THINK THAT LANGUAGE FROM C ONE, A MINIMUM OF TWO INCH CALIPER, TWO TREES PER 100 LINEAR FEET WOULD BE THE MINIMUM ROADWAY DENSITY PRESCRIBED ANYWHERE ELSE AND PERHAPS WOULD BE THE JUMPING OFF POINT THAT WOULD MEET YOUR 50 EVERY 50 FEET OR 50 FEET AND THEN JUST TAKE.

TREES AND DEFINE THEM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN JUST ANY KIND OF TREE, DECIDUOUS OR DECIDUOUS.

NO NICE TREES.

SO I WROTE I WROTE DOWN THAT WHERE THE NATIVE TIMBER STANDS LESS THAN 50 FEET IN DEPTH.

THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MAY REQUIRE THE PROVISION OF TWO DECIDUOUS TREES OF TWO INCH CALIPER PER 100 LINEAR FEET. BE CONSISTENT.

THANK YOU, TARA. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME ON THEIR SIDE.

I THINK WE'VE ONLY GOT TO PUBLIC HERE.

I'M ONE OF THE TWO DESIGNATED PUBLIC SANDRA WALKS 367 SWINBURN ROAD MANIC AND SAD, BUT I'M CURIOUS WHY THEY ARE REQUIRING TURN LANES HERE.

ARE THE TURN LANES REQUIRED OR IS THAT? I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE TURN LANES.

ARE THERE TURN LANES AT DOVER BRANCH? NO. YOU ASK THE QUESTION, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO ASK.

OKAY. I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY.

YOU DON'T WANT ME TO ANSWER IT. OKAY, LET ME LET ME REPHRASE THIS.

I DRIVE THAT SECTION OF HERMITAGE ROAD OFTEN, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT.

THERE ARE NO TURN LANES ON DOVER BRANCH.

I, I BELIEVE IF YOU START HAVING ALL THESE TURN LANES FOR THESE RELATIVELY SMALL SUBDIVISIONS, IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN THERE AT NIGHT FIGURING OUT WHERE THE ROAD IS, COULD BE TRICKY. THAT COULD BE A SAFETY ISSUE.

ALSO KINLOCH SECTION TEN HAS MORE HOUSES DOES NOT HAVE TURN LANES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

JUST WORK.

JOSH WOW. 1521 MANNEQUIN ROBE.

I THINK THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S INFORMATION SAYS MR. SPOONER IS AN EXCEPTIONAL CHAIRMAN.

JUST READING HIS NOTES HERE, IT ALWAYS DID INTRODUCE MYSELF.

JONATHAN 1521 MAN, IT ALWAYS PAINS ME TO SEE AGRICULTURAL LAND REZONE BEING A CONSERVATION GUY, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT GROWTH IS COMING.

AND THIS IS THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY WHERE IT'S KIND OF THE HOT ACTIVITY.

I DO HOPE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS ADVISED OR WILL ADVISE PEOPLE BUYING PROPERTY IN THERE.

THERE'S A CELL TOWER.

I SAT THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING TWO YEARS AGO, MAYBE THREE.

AND PEOPLE IN THAT AREA WERE CONVINCED THAT THEIR HOUSES WOULD BE WORTH NOTHING BECAUSE A CELL TOWER WAS GOING TO GO IN.

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THERE'S A RAILROAD TRACK AROUND THE CORNER OR OTHER THINGS SUCH AS THAT.

SO HAVING LIVED THROUGH OR LISTENED THROUGH THAT PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CELL TOWER, IT IS MARKED ON THE ON THE PLAT THERE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE SHOULD BE A PROFFER THAT IT WILL BE DISCLOSED THAT THERE WAS A CELL TOWER CLOSE BY.

THE OTHER IS THAT THE ONE AND A HALF LOT I'M ON A LITTLE MORE ACREAGE, SO I DON'T KNOW.

I ASSUME THAT WILL MEET THE HEALTH REQUIREMENTS FOR A WELL AND DRAIN FIELD THAT PERKS THE DENSITY IS USUALLY WHAT I DEFER TO WHEN YOU'VE GOT TWO ACRES PER HOUSE, WHETHER IT'S ON A QUARTER ACRE LOT OR THREE QUARTER ACRE LOT OR A ONE AND A HALF ACRE LOT.

AS LONG AS THAT DENSITY NUMBER IS CONSISTENT.

I TYPICALLY AM NOT TOO AGGRIEVED OR CLUTCHING MY PEARLS.

THE TURN LANES.

I DON'T TRY THAT ROAD AS OFTEN AS IS ONE OF THE OTHER PUBLIC.

BUT I'M OF AN OPINION THAT WHEN DEVELOPMENT TAKES PLACE, IT SHOULD NOT INCONVENIENCE THE PEOPLE ALREADY HERE.

AND SO IF NOT PUTTING TURN LANES IN IS GOING TO CREATE A TRAFFIC IMPEDIMENT.

PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO STOP WHILE SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OR RIGHT HAND TURN.

I WOULD SUBMIT THAT WE WOULD WANT TO TURN LANE SO THAT PEOPLE ALREADY HERE, NOT MOVING HERE BUT ALREADY HERE, ARE NOT INCONVENIENCED BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE MORE OF A TRAFFIC KERFUFFLE AND THAT WOULD BE MY OBSERVATION ON TURN LANES.

LET'S NOT START UPSETTING THE RURAL CHARACTER FOR THOSE COME HERE LIKE ME WHO HAVE BEEN HERE A WHILE FOR THE BENEFIT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST ASPIRATIONALLY COME HERE.

AND THEN THE FINAL THING, I'VE NEVER SEEN THE MARSHALL SWIFT BUILDING COST INDEX MENTIONED BEFORE, BUT IT'S IN THERE IN THE PROFFERS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY AS MUCH IN PROFFERS IF WHATEVER THE MARSHALL SWIFT BUILDING COST INDEX SAYS COSTS HAVE GONE DOWN.

I ALSO SEE IT DOES INCREASE, WHICH CURRENTLY I THINK IS GOING TO CONTINUE FOR A WHILE, UNFORTUNATELY.

BUT ARE WE AWARE OF WHAT THE MARSHALL SWIFT BUILDING COST INDEX IS AND HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE PROFFERS, EITHER UPWARDS OR DOWNWARD? BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE.

A RED LIGHT FLASHED. THANKS.

THANK YOU, MR.. WHILE ANYONE ELSE AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING THEY HEARD AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU BOTH.

SO WITH REGARD TO THE TURN LANE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS WE WERE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, WE WENT AND LOOKED AT THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE ALONG THAT SORT OF CORRIDOR.

IT'S REALLY THEIR SIX DOVER BRANCH, WHICH IS TEN LOTS, BROAD RUN, 19 LOTS, FAIRWAY ESTATE, SIX LOTS, GLEN CHABOT, 18, KINLOCH 31 AND GOOSE POINT, WHICH IS SEVEN.

OF ALL OF THOSE, ONLY ONE, WHICH IS THE 31 KINLOCH AS A TURN LANE.

SO I THINK OUR POSITION WAS A FROM A RURAL STANDPOINT, THE TURN LANE SORT OF TAKES AWAY FROM THAT NUMBER ONE, BUT ALSO IT'S CONSISTENT WITH KIND OF THAT CORRIDOR. FURTHERMORE, VDOT, AS WAS MENTIONED, I THINK IN THE PRESENTATION, DOESN'T REQUIRE ONE.

THE COUNTY'S CODE IS A LITTLE MORE STRINGENT, I BELIEVE, THAN THAN VDOT, BUT THAT WAS SORT OF OUR TAKE ON THE TURN LANE AND I THINK THAT'S IT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LET'S GO AHEAD. WHAT ABOUT THE CELL TOWER? YEAH. OH, SURE.

YEAH. SO RESPECTFULLY, I THINK I SEE IT AS A BENEFIT.

I LIVE OUT IN KROGER AND MY CELL SERVICE IS NOT VERY GOOD.

SO I THINK, YEAH, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.

I MEAN, I THINK FOR SOME PEOPLE, CERTAINLY IT'S GOING TO BE A DETRACTOR.

FOR OTHERS IT MAY BE A BENEFIT BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE GREAT CELL RECEPTION.

SO AND SO I THINK IT COULD GO BOTH WAYS.

I THINK WITH THE WITH THE 5G SERVICE, IT TENDS TO BE FROM WHAT I'VE READ, AGAIN, I'M NO EXPERT ON THIS LESS IMPACT PERHAPS, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY LOW.

IT DOESN'T IT'S NOT AN EYESORE.

SO IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, I THINK IT WILL BE SURE THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE AGAINST IT, BUT I THINK GENERALLY IT WILL BE SEEN MORE AS A POSITIVE THAN A NEGATIVE. YEAH, I GUESS IF I COULD JUST EXTEND THAT FOR JUST A SECOND.

SURE. SOME PEOPLE CARE, SOME DON'T.

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SURE THAT THOSE THAT WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT DON'T FIND OUT ABOUT IT AFTER THE FACT.

SO DO YOU PLAN ON DISCLOSING THAT AT ALL IN YOUR MATERIALS OR TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

BUT SURE, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH DISCLOSING THAT.

AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A SURPRISE.

AGAIN, I DON'T SEE IT AS A NEGATIVE, SO I'D ALMOST SAY I'D BE WILLING TO TELL IT.

SO, NO, I DON'T.

IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.

I JUST SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE FIND OUT AFTER THE FACT, THEY DARKEN OUR DOORWAY AND SEND IN A MICROPHONE OR SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS WITH US.

UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD.

AND I GUESS NOW TO YOUR LEGAL REQUEST.

YEAH, EXACTLY. YOU TAKE THE BALL FROM HERE.

SURE. IN TERMS OF A PROFFER AMENDMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT THAT WE ASK FOR DISCLOSURES OF, BECAUSE THAT'S VERY HARD TO ENFORCE.

WHERE EXACTLY ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DISCLOSE IT? TO WHOM ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DISCLOSE IT? SO I DON'T HAVE ONE OF MY HANDY.

OH, HERE'S THE PROFFER YOU WOULD USE FOR THAT.

WE COULD TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO DO SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T HAVE ONE HERE LIKE THIS.

I MEAN, THE ONLY ONE I'M FAMILIAR WITH IS IT.

IS IT? DID WE PUT IT IN? I THINK WE TRIED TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT BECAUSE I THINK THE DEED IS A LITTLE LATE WHEN YOU'RE AT THE CLOSING TABLE AND SOMEBODY LOOKS AT THE DEED.

SO WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PUT IT IN SOME MARKETING, WHICH JUST JUST THE FACT THAT THERE'S AN APPROVED TOWER, I WOULD SAY, COULD IT GO IN THE CONTRACT FOR THE HOUSES OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

YEAH. YEAH.

WHAT DOES IT WE DO WITH THE QUARRIES, THE THOUSAND FOOT.

WHAT KIND OF DISCLOSURE.

I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THE EXACT LANGUAGE, BUT I KNOW FOR PARKSIDE VILLAGE WE REQUIRED IT IN MARKETING MATERIAL AND THE DEEDS.

THERE WAS THREE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY HAD REQUIRED.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IT RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, ADJACENT LOTS TO THE CELL TOWER, THOSE BIGGER ONES, THAT'S WHEN THAT WHOLE THING FOR THE CELL TOWER WAS GOING ON.

I DROVE HERMITAGE ROAD EVERY POSSIBLE WAY AND THE TREES OUT THERE ARE SO TALL THAT YOU HAVE.

IF YOU LOOK AT LINE OF SIGHT TO SEE A CELL TOWER, YOU'VE GOT TO GET ABOUT A MILE AWAY BEFORE YOU CAN LOOK AT THE HORIZON. AND THE TREES ARE SHORT ENOUGH FROM THE DISTANCE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE CELL TOWER.

AND I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF ANGST UPON A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN THAT WENT IN.

BUT IF YOU ARE IN THE GENERAL AREA, HOW OFTEN DO YOU SIT AND WALK OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND GO, THERE'S A CELL TOWER? I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S REALLY THE JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN THROUGH THE TWO ADJACENT LOTS WHEN THEY CLEAR THEIR BACKYARD AND GO, OH, LOOK.

WHAT'S THAT? YEAH, SO.

I WAS WORKING ON SOMETHING AND I FAIL HIT THE FAIL AT THE POINT OF DESCRIBING WHERE THAT CELL TOWER IS.

BUT WHAT A LOCATION.

THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S A IT'S IN A LOCATION THAT'S APPROVED FOR A FUTURE CELL TOWER.

BUT NO, IT'S THERE.

IT'S IT'S ALREADY THERE. YEAH, IT'S BEEN BUILT.

OKAY. THAT'S ONE THAT'S SO THIN FROM MY ROAD.

IT'S ALREADY THERE. IF IT'S ALREADY THERE, IT'S NOT COMING.

NEVER MIND. I KNOW IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT TO BE.

IT'S. IT'S THERE, I ASSUME. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

I MEAN, IT'S MAYBE 30 FEET TALL AND THE TREES ARE 70.

SO THE CELL TOWER THAT WE APPROVED IS GOOD THAT'S GOING IN RIGHT NEAR THE HERMITAGE.

AND IT'S ROUGHLY. OH, IS IT.

OH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S APPROVED.

IT'S NEAR THERE IS IS ON HERMITAGE AND I THINK MANNEQUIN RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION.

BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT.

YES. YEAH.

WELL I'VE DRIVEN.

YEAH THE ROAD HAS NICE CUT IN IT SO YEAH.

THE ROAD WAS CUT IN OFF OF MANNEQUIN AND THEN IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING TO NOTIFY PEOPLE IF IT'S THERE.

I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT IT WAS, I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.

SO THE DISCLOSURE YOU'RE PREPARED TO DO IS TO HAVE THE TOWER THERE.

YES. APPROVED THAT SATISFIED.

SO WE CALL IT A LOT. WE WENT DOWN A LITTLE HOLE.

ALL RIGHT. BOARD ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS OR MOTION? ONE LAST THING IS FOR STAFF.

COULD YOU BRING BACK UP THE LIST OF DEVELOPMENTS ON THAT ROAD? HE MENTIONED THEM PRETTY QUICKLY ABOUT I DID.

AND I DID WANT TO DO SOME CLARIFYING ON THAT.

LET'S SEE, I'M GOING BACK TO MY.

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WELL, WE'RE KILLING A LITTLE BIT OF TIME HERE.

THE RURAL CHARACTER IS SOMETHING THAT WE APPRECIATE HEARING.

GOOD. I'M SURE YOU DO AS WELL.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE GENERALLY ABOUT THE COUNTY IS SOME OF OUR MAJOR ROADS AND MAJOR COLLECTORS.

ROUTE 256 PATERSON WE'RE RUNNING INTO THING WHERE WE HAVE A SERIES OF SINGLE LOTS AND YOU'VE GOT COUNTLESS NUMBER OF PEOPLE BACKING OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS ARE PULLING IN AND TO HAVE SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS OF HALF A DOZEN OR A DOZEN SO YOU ONLY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE FOR A COLLECTION OF HOMES IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN HAVING A SERIES OF SEVEN DRIVEWAYS ON HERMITAGE WHERE THERE'S POTENTIALLY SOME SUBDIVISION BY RIGHTS, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO THAT'S A BROADER DISCUSSION.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FILL IN TO SOME TIME HERE WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

BUT BUT THIS SEEMS TO GO A LITTLE BIT TOWARD THE OTHER WAY, WHICH IS LET'S LET'S HAVE ONE ENTRANCE FOR SEVERAL HOMES AS OPPOSED TO SEPARATE ENTRANCES FOR ALL THOSE DIFFERENT HOMES.

SO SOMEBODY. YEAH, OKAY.

HERE WE GO. IF I COULD JUST GO BACK TO I CAN ANSWER THE INITIAL QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WHY IT IS REQUIRED BY OUR ORDINANCE IS BECAUSE HERMITAGE ROAD IS A MAJOR COLLECTOR.

AND SO OUR ORDINANCE DISTINGUISHES BETWEEN ARTERIAL AND MAJOR AND COLLECTOR ROADS AS OPPOSED TO OTHER ROADS THAT THAT'S WHY THEY'RE IN THERE.

AND YES, VDOT DOES HAVE HIGHER STANDARDS FOR FOR NOW.

WE HAVE HIGHER STANDARDS THAN BANNERS.

THANK YOU. AND I DID WANT TO POINT OUT AND BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE NAMES OF THE STREETS THAT DO NOT HAVE IT.

THOSE WERE OLDER.

THAT WAS PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE THAT DOES REQUIRE THEM FOR THE ARTERIAL AND COLLECTORS CAN LOOK TEN.

THIS WORK IS CORRECT THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION STAFF DID RECOMMEND THE RIGHT TURN LANE AND THAT INSTANCE BUT IT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. A CITIZEN WHO WAS NEARBY WAS CONCERNED WITH LIGHTS AS THEY SLOWED DOWN TO FLASH INTO THEIR PROPERTY, AND SO IT WAS REMOVED.

THEN THE OTHER ONES THAT WERE MENTIONED ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH HOW WE'RE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS NOW.

OKAY. ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO TURN BACK TO THIS SLIDE, IT SAYS STAFF RECOMMENDS A RIGHT TURN, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH SIMILAR SUBDIVISIONS, INCLUDING THESE.

YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY I STOPPED CONSISTENT.

NO, NO. AND THEN IF YOU IF YOU READ ON IT SAYS THEY DO NOT PROVIDE TURN LANES FOR THOSE.

AND THAT'S WHEN I WAS READING AND I KIND OF STUMBLED THROUGH IT.

SO THOSE TOP THAT TOP ROW OF SUBDIVISIONS ARE NOT AND AS I MENTIONED, THOSE PREDATED THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.

AND MORE RECENTLY, CAN LOCKE NINE AND CARVER OAKS HAVE BEEN DONE.

SO AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, STAFF RECOMMENDS A RIGHT TURN LANE WHICH IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH SIMILAR SIZED SUBDIVISIONS INCLUDING DOVER BRANCH BROAD RUN CAN THEIR FAIRWAY IS THAT THE PROPER WAY TO READ THAT.

WELL THAT'S THAT YOU'RE READING IT CORRECTLY BUT THAT WASN'T THE INTENT OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY THAT THE OTHER ONES IN THE AREA.

YES. THERE'S. THOSE DO NOT HAVE THEM.

HOWEVER, THOSE ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE.

HOWEVER. IN MORE RECENT TIMES WE ARE REQUIRING A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.

IN THAT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, IS THERE ANY CUTOFF FOR THE NUMBER OF LOTS? IF IT'S TWO OR THREE LOTS, I MEAN, NO, THE MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISION IS THE DISTINCTION YOU WANT TO TAKE AROUND THAT.

JOANNE DURAN WAS PART OF THIS HISTORY THAT I'M TRYING TO RELIVE.

GOOD EVENING. JOANN HUNTER, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

SO THIS CAME ABOUT DURING THE ZONING REWRITE, WHICH WE ADOPTED IN 2018.

THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING NUMEROUS DRIVEWAYS, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE USED TO ONLY HAVE A REQUIREMENT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IF YOU HAD MORE THAN 29 LOTS, YOU HAD TO HAVE TURN LANES.

WE REALIZED THAT WE MAY HAVE SMALLER SUBDIVISIONS, BUT IF THEY'RE ON MAJOR ROADS WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT IS 55 MILES PER HOUR, MAJOR COLLECTORS THAT HAVE HIGHER VOLUMES, THERE MAY BE A NEED TO HAVE A TURN LANE FOR THOSE.

SO WHEN WE DID THE ZONING REWRITE, WE HAD DROPPED IT VERY SPECIFIC TURN LANE REQUIREMENTS.

IT STILL HAS THE 29 LOTS, BUT IT ALSO SAYS ANY MAJOR SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS ANYTHING MORE THAN FOUR LOTS THAT'S ON A MAJOR COLLECTOR ROAD. AND THEN IT DOES GO ON TO GIVE THE BOARD A CAPABILITY TO WAIVE THAT IF THEY DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE.

OKAY. SO THE CUT OFF WOULD BE FOR ANY MORE THAN FOUR HOMES.

SO FIVE HOMES SUBDIVISION WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN A TURN LANE.

CORRECT. IF THEY'RE ON A MAJOR COLLECTOR ROAD, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND THE SPEED.

SO DOVER BRANCH WAS IN 2018 PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE ZONING REWRITE AND BROAD RUN AND FAIRWAY ESTATES.

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THE ONE COMPARABLE ONE WOULD BE THE LAST BULLET POINT, CARVER OAKS, BECAUSE THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2020.

SO IF WE HAD SEVEN HOMES ALONG THIS AREA, THERE WOULD BE NO TURN LANES.

BUT IF WE HAVE ONE ENTRANCE.

THAT'S CORRECT. THERE'D HAVE TO BE A TURN LANE.

THAT'S CORRECT. JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND HERE.

ALL RIGHTY. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AGAIN THE CONSISTENCY IN WHICH ONES HAD WHICH ONES HADN'T.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE NEWER THE UPDATER WAS, THE VERSION WAS FOUR WITH THE ABILITY TO WAIVE IF IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS CORRECT, THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

YES, MA'AM.

I'LL TRY TO CHOOSE TO CHIME IN IF YOU'RE.

YEAH, PLEASE GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW WHAT YOU SAID.

IF IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THE ORDINANCE, THE TURN LANE SAYS IT HAS THE REQUIREMENTS AND JOANNE GAVE US THOSE.

THEN PART D THROUGH A REZONING OR A COUPE OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY WAIVE ANY REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SECTION.

THE WHOLE TURN LANE SECTION. THE FOLLOWING FACTORS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE WAIVER REQUEST.

ONE SITE DISTANCE ROAD ALIGNMENT AND GRADE CHANGES TO FREQUENCY OF REAR END CRASHES ALONG THE ROADWAY.

THREE TRAFFIC VOLUME FOR SPEED LIMIT AND THE LAST ONE FIVE CAPACITY ANALYSIS OF RECEIVING ROADWAY.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR A TURN LANE.

THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A WAIVER.

I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF WHICH OF THESE FACTORS IS A CONCERN THAT WOULD WARRANT YOU RECOMMENDING A TURN LANE? SO THE TERM YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE TURN LANES WOULD BE A RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANE.

WE ARE NOT REQUIRING WE AGREE THAT A LEFT TURN LANE IS EXCESSIVE AND SHOULD NOT BE REQUIRED BASED ON THE SPEED OF THE ROAD.

WE ARE STILL RECOMMENDING THE RIGHT TURN LANE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A REAR END CRASH IF PEOPLE ARE GOING 55 MILES PER HOUR AND SOMEONE STOPPED, THAT IS THE SPEED AND THE 44. 45 IS THE SPEED.

DO WE HAVE ANY DATA ON REAR END CRASHES THAT HAVE HAPPENED ALONG THERE? WE HAVE DATA ON CRASHES.

SO WE DID SOME RESEARCH THROUGH THE BEAT UP WEBSITE.

AND I DO HAVE THAT HERE.

THE SO THE COUNTS FOR THE ENTIRE MANNEQUIN, I MEAN, NOT MANNEQUIN, THE ENTIRE ROADWAY.

IN 2019, THERE WERE TWO CRASHES.

SO THIS IS ALL OF HERMITAGE ONE IN 2023, IN 2021 AND THREE IN 2022.

THOSE ARE JUST ACCIDENTS WE DON'T HAVE INDICATION ON ON WHETHER IT'S REAR ENDING OR NOT.

AND THEN TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, BETWEEN MANNEQUIN ROAD AND MANNEQUIN ROAD ON HERMITAGE, THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, THAT SECTION, THERE WAS ONE ACCIDENT IN 2022 AND NONE FROM 20 1920 OR 21.

LET'S SEE. I DID EVALUATE THOSE OTHER FACTORS AS WELL FOR VDOT AND STAFF.

AS FAR AS SIGHT DISTANCE, THERE WAS NO CONCERN, NO COMMENTS FROM VDOT AND NO CONCERN.

I MENTIONED THAT THE TRAFFIC VOLUME IS 1300 TRIPS.

THE AD [INAUDIBLE] SO TRIPS PER DAY, WHICH IS IT'S A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF FOLKS THAT DO DRIVE.

AND THAT'S JUST MANNEQUIN TO MANNEQUIN.

THAT'S NOT THE ENTIRE HERMITAGE ROAD.

45 IS THE SPEED LIMIT.

AND LASTLY, SEVEN LOTS OF DIVISION WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE AND ROADS AND THEY WOULD BE ENTERING ON TO SEVEN LOTS, WHICH I GUESS CORRELATE TO APPROXIMATELY 70 TRIPS PER DAY.

YEAH. I THINK THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS THAT THE RECEIVING WROTE OR THAT'S NOT THAT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT A MAJOR FACTOR.

NOW I GUESS THE SPEED AND WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LARGEST FACTOR.

THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS PROBABLY QUITE SO.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH BUFFERS IN THE COUNTY AND BOTH IN THE EAST END AND IN DISTRICT TWO.

WHO IS THE ARE THE PROPOSED BUFFERS ON SOMEBODY'S DEEDS? DO THEY OWN THAT LAND? THIS WOULD ALL BE WITHIN THE OPEN SPACE.

SO WITHIN THE OPEN SPACE FOR THE HOA.

SO THERE IS GOING TO BE THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

WHO MAINTAINS THE OPEN SPACE AND MAINTAINS THAT BUFFER? TRADITIONALLY, THE HOA.

THAT'S PROBABLY HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

THAT HAS NOT BEEN THAT'S NOT PART OF THEIR PROFFERS.

BUT I MEAN, THAT THAT WOULD BE I MEAN, THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE AN LLC OR THE DEVELOPER WILL RETAIN THE RESPONSIBILITY, BUT THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION.

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I DECIDED TO PUT A SHED INTO THE BUFFER.

WHO'S GOING TO WHO'S GOING TO MANAGE THAT? BECAUSE I THINK IT'S PART OF MY PROPERTY.

WHO MANAGES THE END? I WOULD THINK WE WOULD IT WOULD BE AN HOA.

SO YOU ARE GOING TO ESTABLISH.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT.

YES, SIR. OKAY. CAN WE GET THAT IN WRITING WITH THAT? YEAH. WOULD THAT BE COVERED? WELL, LET ME ASK. SO WHAT HAPPENS? WHO OWNS THE DEED TO THAT LAND AFTERWARDS? SO ONCE IN THE BUFFER, IF THERE IS NO WAY TO MAKE IT PART OF THE COVENANTS OF THAT, THAT BASICALLY HAS TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING.

WE HAVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE DEVELOPER NEVER SIGNED OVER, SO HE HE STILL OWNS THE BUFFERS AND THE RIGHT OF WAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS LAND ONCE THIS IS ALL BUILT OUT.

SURE. IS THE BUFFER PART OF THE ONE AND A HALF ACRE LOT? IS THAT PART OF THE ONE AND A HALF? NO, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. SO SOMEBODY IS GOING TO OWN THAT.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY OWNING THAT LAND IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DEED THE ENTIRE THING ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

CORRECT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WHERE EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGREES TO MAINTAIN IT OWNERSHIP.

YEAH, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE MORE IN AN HOA.

TO BE HONEST, I HAVEN'T GIVEN IT A LOT OF THOUGHT, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE HOA WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EASIEST AND MOST LIKELY AVENUE FOR THAT.

SETTING UP A SIMPLE HOA THAT WOULD COVER THAT.

MCGEE. I HAVE SOME LANGUAGE DRAFTED IF THE APPLICANT AND THE BOARD IS INTERESTED.

AGAIN, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING I HAVE HANDY, BUT WE'VE SEEN IT COULD BE, I BELIEVE, AS SIMPLE AS APPLICANT WILL CREATE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO OWN AND MAINTAIN THE COMMON AREA ON THE PROPERTY.

YES. IF IF WE DECIDE THAT WE THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE DEVELOPER TO MAINTAIN IT, IS THAT AN OPTION? IS THE BOARD AGREEABLE TO THAT? OR I GUESS CAN WE SAY OR THE.

I DON'T THINK SO EITHER.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I THINK THROUGH IT PROPERLY.

BUT YES.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT WHEN YOU'VE BEEN WILDLY SUCCESSFUL WITH THE BOARD, A RETIREMENT AT AGE 40? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

BUT I MEAN, I APPRECIATE YOUR FLEXIBILITY, BUT THE CONCEPT THAT IF THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T CREATE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR, IT COMES WITH THE FACT THAT THAT PROPERTY CAN'T BE CONVEYED.

AND SO WHOEVER OWNS IT, I.E., THE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

LET'S LET'S LEAVE IT THEN.

AT WHO IS THAT, FIRST OF ALL, MAY BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE BOARD WITH RESPECT TO PUTTING A PIN IN THAT REQUIREMENT.

OR IS THAT. LET ME ASK YOU LET ME ASK A DUMB QUESTION.

DOES DOES A COUNTY CARE WHETHER THE DEVELOPER OR THE HOA OWNS AND MAINTAINS IT? I MEAN, DO WE CARE WHO OWNS IT? I DON'T KNOW AS I CARE WHO OWN IT.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BECAUSE IT'S STILL A BUFFER ON THE PLANET DEVELOPMENT.

SO THERE'S THEY'RE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE APPROVAL.

BUT DO WE CARE WHO OWNS IT? I'M GOING TO REFER TO MR. LUMPKIN, WHO WHO BROUGHT THIS UP.

THE PROPERTY IS TODAY OWNED, IF IT'S BEEN PURCHASED YET BY A DEVELOPER WHO, IF HE NEVER PUTS IT IN THE NAME OF ANYONE ELSE, WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COMMITMENTS IN HERE WITH RESPECT TO THE BUFFER.

BUT THIS WAS A POLICY CONCERN THAT MR. LUMPKIN RAISED, MAKING A LOT OF SAUSAGE.

DID YOU WANT TO, MR. PETERSON? NO, NO, I'M FINE.

I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN WE'VE SEEN OTHER OTHER TOURS.

I THINK. I THINK WE'RE DOING THIS IN A SPIRIT OF, LIKE, MAYBE THIS IS YOU'RE NOT YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO DRAW FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN.

TO ANSWER MR. PETERSON'S QUESTION, I DON'T THINK WE REALLY CARE WHETHER THE DEVELOPER OWNS IT OR NOT, BUT I DON'T IMAGINE THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IS JUST A DEVELOPER THAT GOES AWAY AND GOES ON TO OTHER PROJECTS AND YOU SHUT DOWN YOUR ENTITY AND IT'S STILL DEEDED TO SOMEBODY WE CAN'T FIND.

I THINK THAT'S FAIR THEN. I THINK IT DOES BECOME SORT OF A COUNTY PROBLEM WHERE THE COMMUNITY IS LIKE, HEY, WHO'S TAKING CARE OF THIS, THIS LAND? I CAN'T, I CAN'T BUY IT.

I'VE GOT THIS LAND AT THE BACK OF MY LOT.

I CAN'T BUY IT. THE PEOPLE ARE GONE.

WHAT DO WE DO? AND THEN IT'S GOING TO LAND WITH US AT SOME LEVEL.

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ALL OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE SUBDIVISION.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, OUR ORDINANCE WOULD NOT ALLOW HIM TO DEED THE BUFFER IN LOTS THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE.

OH, YOU CAN'T. YOU CAN'T.

HE CAN'T DEAL WITH BUFFER AS PART OF A LOT.

NO, IT HAS TO BE OUTSIDE THE LAWS.

THAT'S INTERESTING THAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW FOR A FOR A OPEN SPACE TO BE ON A DEEDED LOT.

HOWEVER, IT'S A POLICY THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND.

SO I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION IS THE HOA JUST PLAN ON A SHARED.

I THINK SO JUST DO STATEMENT AMONG THE LANDOWNERS TO TAKE CARE OF THE AREA.

THAT'S NOT THAT THE. INDEED IT.

YES. OKAY.

THAT COULD BE PROPER NUMBER NINE IF THE LANGUAGE I SUGGESTED IS ACCEPTABLE FOR YOU TO PROFFER.

OKAY. THANKS FOR.

FOR THE DISCUSSION. ANYTHING ELSE? OH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO GET IN DISCUSSION, OR DO WE WANT TO JUST KEEP DISCUSSING? YEAH, LET'S KEEP IT DISCUSSION.

OKAY. SO IN TEN AND A HALF YEARS, ALL THE REZONING CASES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT HAVE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE NEVER DONE THIS.

WHY ARE ALL OF A SUDDEN I.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT CATE.

MAYBE SOMETHING THAT'S PERSONALLY HAPPENED TO YOU, BUT WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN ARE WE CHANGING OUR STANDARDS HERE? BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN BITTEN BY BUFFERS REPEATEDLY OVER THE LAST YEAR IN OTHER IN MOSAIC AND OTHER AREAS WHERE WE HAVE BUFFERS, WE I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD THE CONTROL AND WE'VE SPENT HOURS TRYING TO MANAGE THESE SITUATIONS.

AND WE HAVE WE HAD TOOLS.

WE HAD TOOLS TO GET THOSE STRAIGHT RIGHT AFTER A LOT OF A LOT OF WORK.

DO YOU THINK. I'M NOT SURE WE HAD THE APPROPRIATE TOOLS.

DO YOU THINK A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IS GOING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN FASTER? I DON'T I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR OR AGAINST THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

I'M WANTING TO UNDERSTAND WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THESE BUFFERS AND ENSURE THEY'RE THERE.

SO TO JOHN'S POINT, WE WE UNDERSTAND WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE AND WHO THE RESOURCES.

I DON'T CARE WHO OWNS IT, BUT THAT WE DO KNOW.

SO. OKAY.

I AM COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

I JUST I DO NOT WANT TO PUT MANDATING A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IN A PROFFER.

AND I THOUGHT THAT'S WHERE WE WERE GOING.

I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

AND I'M TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THAT.

YEAH, I GUESS.

I THINK ALMOST THINK WE'RE TALKING A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A BUFFER THAT'S THAT'S BEFORE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OWNERSHIP, I THINK WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IS DOWN THE ROAD.

WHO WHO DO WE LOOK TO TO ADDRESS WHEN A BUFFER NO LONGER MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS? AND I WOULD SAY YOU SAID WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS.

I'D SAY AT LEAST A LARGER SUBDIVISION THEY'VE COME IN.

I MEAN, WE HAD IT ON THE EAGLE PROJECT, THE LAST ONE.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I'D SEARCH AND LOOK FOR THAT LANGUAGE.

BUT THEY WRITE IN THEIR WHOLE PLAN IS THE COMMON AREAS AROUND ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THE COMMON AREA THAT'S OWNED BY NOW AN HOA MAY SOUND LIKE, YOU KNOW IT'S A BIG GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT CONTROL AN ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL AND ALL THIS SORT OF THING.

THIS IS SIMPLY A VEHICLE FOR OWNERSHIP OF THE AREA THAT OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY SAYS CANNOT BE DEEDED OR AT LEAST A MATTER OF POLICY CANNOT BE DEEDED.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LAND THAT HAS MEETS HAS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, I THINK WE OUGHT TO KNOW WHO'S GOING WHO DOES THE COUNTY LOOK TO WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETED? WHO DOES A COUNTY LOOK TO, TO TO ENFORCE? AND IF NOTHING ELSE, IT'S CONVERSATION LIKE WE'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT.

IT WASN'T PART OF THE CONSIDERATION.

SO AT LEAST BRINGING IT INTO CONSIDERATION, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE SAYING, HEY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE COMPLETE AGREEMENT.

I'M COMPLETE AGREEMENT. WE SHOULD.

NO, I JUST DON'T WANT TO MANDATE HOMEOWNERS.

I THINK I THINK, TOO, THAT ALL OF THE ONES WE'VE DONE HAVE BEEN LARGER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THERE NATURALLY IS GOING TO BE A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION BY DEFAULT, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A COMMUNITY BUILDING, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A COUPLE COMMON, COMMON AREAS AND WALKING TRAILS AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO THAT THAT WAS JUST BY DEFAULT.

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AND I KNOW TRADITIONALLY THIS COUNTY HAS NOT PUT MINIMUM STANDARDS LIKE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S NO PROPER LIKE THAT.

NOW, THEY PRESENTED PICTURES THAT THEY SAID THEY HOPE TO FOLLOW, BUT THAT'S NOT IN WRITING.

SO THE COST OF THE LAND IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO DRIVE THE QUALITY.

BUT IF I WERE THE FIRST ONE BUYING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, MY QUESTION BE WHERE ARE THE COVENANTS? WHERE ARE THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AND WHERE ARE THE AGREEMENTS? WHERE THE COMMITMENTS, THEY'RE NOT IN THE PROFFERS.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS PLANS TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE BUILDING IN HERE, THIS IS THE STYLE, THIS IS THE LOOK, THIS IS THE MINIMUM SIZE AND ALL THAT, I WOULD HOPE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE FIRST BUYER IS GOING TO BE LIKE, I'M GOING TO PAY ALL THIS MONEY FOR THIS HOUSE, BUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AROUND ME? SO SOMETIMES WE'VE STARTED TO MOVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM HERE.

WE'VE STARTED TO ADD PROPERTIES THAT SAY MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE AND SIDING TYPES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT SO I THINK WE COULD EVEN DO A DEEPER DIVE.

I JUST DON'T. BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOOKING TO THE DEVELOPERS GOING TO DO THEIR THING AND BEST WISHES TO THEM.

BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WE FOCUSED ON THESE BUFFERS, WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THEM.

I THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE A PLAN THAT THERE'S THERE'S GOING TO BE OWNERSHIP THAT WE CAN LOOK TO WHEN THE DEVELOPER IS DONE DEVELOPING.

AND I THINK THEY'VE AGREED, IN FACT, SUSAN, I THINK THEY THEY'VE AGREED TO THIS.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE IMPOSING IT.

IT'S A VOLUNTARY I MEAN, IT CAN'T BE US IMPOSING IT.

YOU NEED TO MAKE THESE PROPERTIES.

AND I WOULD AGREE.

I MEAN, I HAVE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF CASES BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD SUBDIVISIONS THAT COME IN AND PART OF THEIR PROFFERS ARE THAT THEY'LL HAVE COVENANTS OR THAT THE WILL ESTABLISH THE MAINTENANCE OF OF PROPERTY.

THEY'VE COME IN.

I AGREE WITH MISS SCARLETT.

I DON'T RECALL THAT BEING SOMETHING THAT'S COME FROM THE DIOCESE TO REZONING.

THEY HAVE BEEN IN PROFFERS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

AND I IMAGINE JOANNE AND JAMIE HAVE EVEN MORE SENSE ABOUT WHERE TO FIND ONE OF THOSE.

BUT I'VE BEEN SEARCHING MINUTE TRACT THAT HAS THAT HAS COME IN.

YOU KNOW, REED MARSH HAS ONE THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET THAT IS MORE DESIGNED AROUND THE PROTECTIVE COVENANTS.

BUT IT DOES SAYS IT WOULD CONTROL THE DEVELOPMENT AND MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY AND DESCRIBE THE STANDARDS FOR COMMON AREAS AND SO FORTH. I THINK THAT'S A MUCH MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

SO I HAVEN'T LANDED ON A GREAT LANGUAGE FROM ANOTHER CASE, BUT I WAS LOOKING.

OKAY. WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? DO I HAVE A MOTION? MS..

MCGEE I THINK I'VE HEARD AT LEAST TWO AREAS OF POTENTIAL AMENDMENT TO WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED HERE WITH THE APPLICATION.

I THINK ONE WAS ON THE BUFFERS AND WHAT WAS ON THE HIGHWAY.

AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED YOU MAY HAVE SOME LANGUAGE THAT YOU PULLED OUT OF YOUR BOTTOM DRAWER.

COULD YOU PERHAPS READ THE LANGUAGE ON THE TWO AMENDMENTS SO THAT THE ENTIRE BOARD KNOWS WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER? I'D BE HAPPY TO. MR. PETERSON, WITH RESPECT TO PROFFER FIVE, WHICH IS ABOUT THE BUFFER AFTER THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS PROVIDES SIMILAR SCREENING, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO INSERT THE FOLLOWING WHERE BUFFER AREAS ARE DISTURBED OR EXISTING NATIVE TIMBER STANDS ARE LESS THAN 50 FEET IN DEPTH.

THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MAY REQUIRE THE PROVISION OF TWO TREES, TWO DECIDUOUS TREES OF TWO INCH CALIPER PER 100 LINEAR FEET THAT WOULD BE INSERTED INTO THAT LANGUAGE.

IF WE COULD PAUSE FOR JUST A SECOND, THIS WOULD BE AN OFFER OR A PROFFER FROM THE APPLICANT.

IS THAT LANGUAGE CONSISTENT WITH YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING? YES. THANK YOU.

OKAY. AND THEN OUT OF THE BOTTOM DRAWER.

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YOU'RE SAYING WAS THE POTENTIAL FOR A PROFFER, WHICH WOULD BE NUMBER NINE ENTITLED HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION APPLICANT WILL CREATE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION TO OWN AND MAINTAIN THE COMMON AREA ON THE PROPERTY.

I'LL ASK THE SAME QUESTION.

IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING? YES. OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU. MISS AGAIN ON THAT SECOND ONE.

I'VE HEARD THAT IT MAY IN SOME RESPECTS BE PRECEDENT SETTING AND THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT BEFORE.

IS THAT WOULD THAT SECOND AMENDED TERM BE CONSIDERED UNUSUAL? IS IT LEGAL? IS IT NORMAL, ORDINARY COURSE? IS IT HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE IT? WHAT I WAS SAYING A FEW MINUTES AGO IS THAT WE'VE HAD MANY REZONING CASES COME FORWARD WITH A PROFFER TO CREATE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO MAINTAIN COMMON AREA OF PROPERTY. THE ONLY THING THAT'S UNUSUAL IS I DON'T RECALL THAT COMING FROM THIS BOARD AT THE DAIS.

I'VE JUST PULLED UP, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THE YELLOWSTONE CASE, REID MARSH OR WHATEVER, THEY HAD ONE THAT WAS ABOUT A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AND SO FORTH.

UGLY WE HAVE.

AND I DEFER TO MR. HUNTER'S GREATER EXPERIENCE.

WE'VE ALSO MAYBE HAD SOME THAT DON'T HAVE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO FORCE ME TO SHARE OUR DIRTY SECRETS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD THE SUBDIVISION REWRITE ON OUR LIST TO DO AND IT KEEPS GETTING BUMPED AS WE ARE BEEN DOING OTHER PROJECTS.

BUT WE DID GO THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND ONE OF THE HOLES OR MISSING ELEMENTS IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT IT DOES NOT ADDRESS IS WHEN THERE IS OPEN SPACE AND HOW THAT IS HANDLED.

SO THAT IS A CORRECTION THAT WE PLAN ON MAKING IT SO THAT IT'S NOT HAVING TO BE MADE AT THE DAIS.

IT SHOULD BE CODIFIED AND PART OF THE CODE, AND WE WILL DO THAT.

WHILE IT'S NOT PART OF THE CODE NOW, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO ADDRESS IT AT THIS LEVEL.

AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT IT IS UNUSUAL TO HAVE AN HOA FOR SMALL SUBDIVISIONS BECAUSE IT'S EVEN HARD TO GET THOSE ONE BIG SUBDIVISIONS.

SO A FEW YEARS AGO WE DID A ORDINANCE AMENDMENT THAT INDICATED THAT IF YOU HAD SIX LOTS OR LESS, YOU DID NOT HAVE TO MEET THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT WAS DIFFICULT OF WHO WOULD BE MAINTAINING THIS.

THIS IS SEVEN LOTS, SO IT'S NOT A MAGIC NUMBER.

THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE ONE OVER THAT EDGE.

BUT WE DO NEED TO CORRECT THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND ADDRESS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH WHEN THERE'S OPEN SPACE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT I DO THINK IT'D BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE TO HAVE IT DONE AT A BOARD LEVEL, SINCE WE KNOW THAT IS A MISSING ELEMENT OF OUR CODE REQUIREMENT.

OKAY, MR. HUNTER, THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE SINCE THIS WASN'T IN THE APPLICATION, STAFF DIDN'T WEIGH IN THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN ON THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF IT.

BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT HAD IT BEEN PART OF THE APPLICATION, THAT STAFF WOULD NOT HAVE HAD.

IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT.

IT WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE NOT HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

NOT YET. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'VE ALL HEARD THE TWO MODIFICATIONS OR AMENDMENTS.

SO, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE REZONING R Z 2020 200005 FOR 15 ACRES ON HERMITAGE ROAD FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A2 TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH THE PROPER CONDITIONS AND THE AMENDMENTS AS PRESENTED SECOND AS PRESENTED OR AMENDED AS THE AMENDMENTS WERE PRESENTED.

YES, AS THE AMENDMENTS WERE READ INTO THE RECORD, THAT WOULD SAVE ME HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE AMENDMENTS.

THANK YOU. UNDERSTOOD.

THE MOTION I SECONDED DISCUSSION.

ONE LAST QUESTION.

SO WE ARE THE WAY THE MOTION WAS MADE, WE ARE WAIVING BOTH TURN LANES.

CORRECT. EVEN THOUGH STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE RIGHT TURN LANE? THAT'S CORRECT. AND IF WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION PHASE, I'D RATHER SEE ONE DRIVEWAY RATHER THAN SEVEN DRIVEWAYS ON HERMITAGE.

I JUST. THAT'S ME.

ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO COMMENT? SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND MR. PETERSON'S REASONING THERE AND MS..

WORKS. I FEEL LIKE LOOKING AT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND THE PRESSURE IN THAT AREA OF GROWTH, ANYTHING WE COULD DO TO KEEP TRAFFIC FLOWING

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SO I'M NOT SURE I CAN SUPPORT THIS WITHOUT ETERNALLY.

JUST IN SUPPORT OF THAT CONCEPT.

IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SCREEN THAT'S GOT THE BREAKOUT OF THESE LOTS AND LOOK IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT OF THAT, THERE'S TWO HUGE CHUNKS OF LAND.

AND IF YOU DRIVE DOWN.

NOW THAT'S NOT DRIVING DOWN POCKET ROAD.

THERE'S ALREADY SIX ACRES FOR SALE HERE, 5.9 ACRES FOR SALE THERE.

THERE'S MORE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING IN.

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE, MR. SHARP? PULL UP THE ONE 3636 OR.

YEAH. IF YOU LOOK DIRECTLY TO THE LEFT HERE, SAME NUMBER OF HOMES AS DON'T TURN AWAY.

THIS IS THIS IS ALL OPEN AND VACANT NOW.

YEAH. SO IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, ONCE THIS SUBDIVISION STARTS, SOMEBODY COMES ALONG AND SAY, MY GOSH, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA FOR ANOTHER SUBDIVISION.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 14 VEHICLES OR SEVEN OR EIGHT MORE HOUSES WITH 14.

I MEAN, IT JUST FURTHER COMPLICATES THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES.

AND I JUST I SAY FROM A STANDPOINT OF A TURNING LANE, I AGREE THAT HAVING SEVEN DRIVEWAYS COMING OUT ON HERMAN'S ROAD IS PROBLEMATIC.

BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SUBDIVISION AND THEN IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, SEVERAL MORE COMING ALONG TO IT, THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE ADDED TRAFFIC, MORE PEOPLE STOPPING TO TURN.

AND WE'RE NOT BETTER SUITED BY HAVING A A TURN LANE THAT MITIGATES REAR END COLLISIONS.

I GUESS ESPECIALLY WITH SUCH GREAT CELL SERVICE PEOPLE DRIVING AND TEXTING, THERE ARE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, DOZENS OF SINGLE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, SINGLE DRIVEWAYS ON THAT SAME ROAD.

AND THEY'RE ALL STOPPING TO TURN IN AND GO.

THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WALK DOGS.

THERE'S PEOPLE THAT JOG.

THERE'S PEOPLE THAT RIDE BIKES.

THERE'S I EVEN SEEN ROLLERBLADES, A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES ALL UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD PEACEFULLY COEXISTING.

COULD YOU POINT OUT WHERE DOVER BRANCHES? WE JUST DID DOVER BRANCH A YEAR OR TWO AGO AND MORE THAN THAT, MAYBE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.

AND THERE WAS NO TURN LANE THERE.

DOVER BRANCH. YEAH.

IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. RIGHT.

THAT'S DOVER BRANCH IS RIGHT HERE.

YEAH, IT'S RIGHT THERE. AND THERE'S NO TURN LANE THERE AND IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

SO. AND THAT WAS PRIOR TO OUR ORDINANCE, CORRECT? IT WAS TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO. DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO, PRIOR TO 2024, PRIOR TO THAT DOVER BRANCH WAS APPROVED IN 2018, THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE WAS APPROVED LATE 2018.

SO DOVER BRANCH WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO THE CHANGE REQUIRING THE TURN LANES.

SO IF THEY DID FOUR HOMES IN THERE, THEY DON'T NEED A TURN LANE? THAT'S CORRECT. BUT WE'RE SLICING THE BALONEY PRETTY THIN HERE.

COULD THE APPLICANT COME UP FOR JUST A SECOND, IF YOU DON'T MIND? SURE. HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE, WHAT IT WOULD COST, HOW MANY TREES YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE DOWN, HOW MUCH MORE ASPHALT YOU'RE PUTTING DOWN TO DO A TURN? LANE SO I ANSWER THE COST SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 150 TO 200000.

PUT IT IN THE RIGHT TURN THERE. HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT WHETHER OR NOT YOU DO THIS PROJECT? IT CERTAINLY HURTS IT.

SO I THINK, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, OUR STANCE IS IN KEEPING WITH WHAT'S THERE.

I MEAN, THE ONLY ONE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR IS THAT KEN LOCH, WHICH HAS 31 LOTS VDOT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT.

SO AGAIN, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S IT'S A SMALL SUBDIVISION THAT SHOULDN'T WARRANT THAT ADDED COST.

IT'S A SIGNIFICANT COST.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. MR. CARPENTER. MISS SCARLETT, I'M FIRST.

WHAT? HOW YOU ARE? YES. MR. TOMKINS. YES.

MR. SHARP. YES.

MR. PATERSON. YES.

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ALL RIGHT. CONGRATULATIONS.

YOU ARE GOOD TO GO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BOARD GOOD LUCK. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT PROJECT.

I WILL BE ADJOURNING OUR BOARD UNTIL THE AUGUST 2ND, 1230 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING AND CONFERENCE 270.

AND THAT'S, OF COURSE, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

AND THEN OUR AUGUST 2ND, 2 P.M.

REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING OF OUR 6 P.M.

PUBLIC HEARINGS HERE IN THIS BOARDROOM.

WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

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