[I. Call to Order, 5:30 P.M.]
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AND THIS IS THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING WITH GOODWILL COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MET HIM.
[II. Determination of a Quorum]
OF THE COURT? THANK YOU.CITIZEN COMMENT, THEN THEY'LL CITIZENS IN THE ROOM
[III. Citizen Comment]
ARE CLOSED APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE MOTION.[IV. Approval of Minutes - Apr 20, 2022]
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT.WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 20TH, 2022 WITH MODIFICATION.
THE MODIFICATION THAT I HAVE IS SAY THIS I'M JUST SPACE MISSING.
I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD EVEN SAY, OKAY, THERE IS A SPACE MISSING IN, UH, LET'S SEE IT, UH, UNDER SCHEDULED MANNERS, A OTHER BUSINESS, UH, ONE RENEW OF FYI, 23, UH, ONE UNDER THAT.
AND IN THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE PARAGRAPH UNDER THE TITLE, THERE'S A SPACE MISSING BETWEEN THE DOG.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I FELL BEHIND, BUT I'M SURE OTHERS PROVES THAT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO ADD THE REQUIRED FOYA INFO WHEN A MEMBER IS, UH, PARTICIPATING IN VIA ZOOM, WE NEED TO ADD THE REASON WHY THEY ARE AND SOME OTHER DOCUMENTATION.
SO I WILL BE UPDATING THAT AND MAKING YOUR CAREER YEAH, EXCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
HOW'S THAT? SO NOW I'M GOING TO IN A SECOND ON FAVOR.
[A. Treasurer's Report - to be provided at the meeting]
REPORT.WE DO HAVE A TREASURER'S REPORT FOR MR. COLLIER TO REVIEW.
AND THEN YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE'S BEEN AN UPDATE PROCESS.
I ACTUALLY ENJOY A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
SO, UM, I THINK THERE WAS ONE BILL WE NEED TO PAY.
THERE IS A PENDING BILL TO CHRISTIAN AND BARTON $328 AND 50 CENTS FOR SERVICES APRIL THROUGH JUNE MR. CHAIRMAN.
I MOVED THEM TO BE PAID CHRISTIAN BARTON IN THE AMOUNT OF $328 AND 50 CENTS.
AND AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO
[B. FOIA Training]
MS. KELLY JACKSON, WHO WILL GIVE FOR YOUR REQUIRED GOOD EVENING.I WISH WE COULD DO THIS QUICKLY, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN SEE ALL AGAIN.
CAN WE WERE TOGETHER ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, JUST ACROSS THE HALL TO DO YOUR WARRIOR TRAINING AND CAN YOU BELIEVE TWO YEARS HAVE GONE BY I'M READY.
SO LET'S JUST GO OVER THE SAME, YOU KNOW, THINGS AND I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF THINGS THAT MAYBE HAVE BEEN UPDATED IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY LEGISLATION THAT MIGHT AFFECT, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT YOU DO.
UM, WE'LL GO OVER WHY WE HAVE IT, WHERE IT SAYS WE HAVE THE TRAINING REQUIREMENTS, OF COURSE, ALL ABOUT RECORDS AND MEETINGS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE VIOLATE VOYA OR WHERE YOU CAN GO TO GET MORE RESOURCES.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, VOYA IS ITS OWN CHAPTER OF THE VIRGINIA CODE.
SO IT'S STATE LAW AND IT'S IN THE SECTION ON HOW TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN VIRGINIA.
IT VALUES TRANSPARENCY OVER SECRECY, PROVIDING CITIZEN ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT RECORDS AND MEETINGS UNDER THE PREMISE THAT THE PUBLIC IS REALLY THE BENEFICIARY OF ALL GOVERNMENT ACTIONS.
SO FOYA COVERS RECORDS AND MEETINGS.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING.
UM, MEETINGS, IT'S FREE ACCESS TO MEETINGS.
ALL MEETINGS ARE PRESUMED OPEN UNLESS YOU HAVE AN EXEMPTION TO GO INTO YOUR CLOSE MEETING.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY JUST THE SAME WITH THE RECORDS.
IT'S REACTS IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S NOT JUST THE THING.
IT'S NOT THREE BECAUSE WE CAN CHARGE FOR OUR TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO FIND THEM AND PRODUCE THAT.
IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A COMPLICATED THING, BUT IT'S ACCESS TO THE RECORDS, SAME THING, UNLESS THERE'S AN EXEMPTION THAT SAYS WE CAN HELP THEM.
SO IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT OF THE ACTIONS THAT ARE TAKEN BY THE GOVERNMENT.
I KNOW YOU GUYS, YOU MEET, SO YOU'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE MEETINGS, BUT UM, MOST, MOST OF THE PAGES ARE ABOUT THE RECORDS.
ABSOLUTELY EX IF THERE WAS A RECORD THAT FOR SOME REASON YOU DIDN'T WANT THIS CAUSE COULD YOU ATTACH SOME RIDICULOUS
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FEE FOR IT? NO, OF COURSE NOT.I MEAN THAT WE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO, IT'S EITHER DISCLOSED.
IT'S EITHER A DISCLOSABLE OR IT'S NOT, YOU CAN CHARGE A FEE FOR YOUR TIME AND WE'LL GO OVER IT.
YOU HAVE TO USE THE LEAST, THE LEAST COST EFFECTIVE MEANS OR THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE MEANS POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A STAFF PERSON THAT'S, YOU KNOW, $50 AN HOUR, $20 AN HOUR, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE $20 AN HOUR SET FIRST AND GET IT? SO NO, ALL, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE PREVENTED AGAINST, BUT THE REASON IS, IS NOT, UM, OF NOT WANTING TO HOLD SOMETHING.
YOU HAVE TO FIND IT AND EXEMPTION JUST LIKE YOUR CLOSE MEETING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT RECORDS AND MEETINGS AND, AND WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IT HERE? WHO DOES FOYA APPLY TO ALL OF OUR PUBLIC GOVERNING BODIES IN VIRGINIA THAT ARE BASICALLY FUNDED WHOLLY OR PRINCIPALLY WITH GOVERNMENT FUNDS, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE DOING THE PUBLIC BUSINESS.
SO THAT APPLIES TO THE GOOCHLAND COUNTY GOVERNMENT, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, A PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU, YOUR VETERAN AUTHORITY OR AUTHORITY ON THE SCHOOL BOARD AND CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS.
I PUT A LITTLE ASTERISK BECAUSE BOY, IT JUST SAYS PURPOSES OF FOYA THEY'RE PUBLIC, BUT, AND SOYA TRAINING IS REQUIRED FOR TWO GROUPS OF PEOPLE, WHICH ONE, RIGHT? YOUR LOCAL OFFICIALS.
IT IS KIND OF A TRICKY QUESTION.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY IN THE NEXT SLIDE OR DO YOU KNOW WHY IT'S A TRICK QUESTION THAT WOULD BE LIKE SUPER GOLDMAN-SACHS AND HAND THAT OUT.
REMEMBER OFFICERS ARE DESIGNATED STAFF PERSONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT REALLY ARE REQUIRED TO KNOW ABOUT VOYA, MAKE SURE TO PROCESS THE REQUESTS.
SO HERE'S KIND OF THE ANSWER FOR THE EDA.
THE STATUTE ACTUALLY SAYS LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS.
AND THEN IN 2020, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY APP, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IT TO LOCAL OFFICIALS AND ADDED THAT THE EDA MEMBERS AND THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, SOME NEW, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE FORM OF TRAINING.
SO NOW THIS IS OUR SECOND TIME DOING IT BECAUSE WE DID IT FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN THAT NEW LEGISLATION.
AND THAT IS THAT WITHIN TWO MONTHS OF COMING ON THE EDA, UM, YOU GET TRAINED.
WE DID THAT FOR MR. COLLIER WAS JUST JOINING RECENTLY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, IT WAS WITHIN THE TWO MONTHS AND THEN RETRAINED EVERY TWO YEARS.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TO THE DAY IF HE DID IT AUGUST 30TH, TWO YEARS AGO.
AND THEN WE'RE DOING IT SEPTEMBER 30TH THIS YEAR.
IT'S JUST WITHIN THAT CALENDAR YEAR OF THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
UM, BUT WE ARE BEFORE JUST BEFORE THE DAY THAT WE DID LAST IN AUGUST, WE'RE IN JULY THIS YEAR.
UM, AND THEN YOUR TRAINING CERTIFICATE GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, CLERK.
THAT'S LISA B KEEPS IT ON FILE FOR FIVE YEARS.
ANYONE COULD REQUEST TO SEE YOUR, THE FOUR YEAR TRAINING CERTIFICATES FOR ALL THE LOCAL OFFICIALS IN THE COUNTY.
AND WE WOULD PRODUCE THE CERTIFICATE, UM, FOR THAT, FOR YOUR REQUEST, THERE'S NO PENALTY, THE TRAINING CAN BE LIVE OR ONLINE, WHICH IS WHY YOU CAN ALSO GO ONLINE TO THE FOYER COUNCIL WEBSITE.
THAT'S THE STATE AGENCY WEBSITE.
AND YOU CAN TAKE THE TRAINING ON THERE.
UM, AT LEAST ONE FORD MEMBER HAS SAID THAT THERE'S SOME GLITCHES OR IT DEPENDS WHICH SOFTWARE YOU'RE USING.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S TRIED IT, BUT THAT ALSO COUNTS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WHERE YOU COULD COME TO US AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT.
UM, BUT THERE'S NO KIND OF LT FOR NOT COMPLETING IT.
AND THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO REPORT IT BACK TO THE FOYA COUNCIL.
WE JUST KEEP THE CERTIFICATES HERE IN HOUSE FOR FIVE YEARS.
UM, A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE FOIL OFFICER TRAINING.
THESE ARE THE STAFF MEMBERS WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE EXPERTS IN FOYA.
UM, AND EVERY PUBLIC BODY HAS TO IDENTIFY WHO THEIR FOIL OFFICER IS AND MAKE IT KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHO TO ASK FOR THE RECORDS FOR, INSTEAD OF JUST CALLING RANDOM STAFF OR SENDING RANDOM EMAILS TO PEOPLE, IF THEY NEVER GET TO THE RIGHT PERSON, THEN WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW TO PROCESS IT.
AND THEY ALSO REQUIRE TRAINING EVERY TWO YEARS.
AND WE DO HAVE TO SUBMIT THOSE PEOPLE TO DEPLOY A COUNCIL.
AND THEN YOU CAN GO ON THE COUNCIL'S WEBSITE AND TYPE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, AND YOU'LL GET A LIST OF ALL THE TRAINED FOIL OFFICERS FOR THE COUNTY.
YOU CAN DO THAT FOR ANY LOCALITY IN VIRGINIA.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT PART'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
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GREAT QUESTION.NOT REALLY ON, ON VOYA ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, A FOIA OFFICER TO REPRESENT MULTIPLE PUBLIC BODIES, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S EVER BEEN OFFICIAL, BUT LISA PRETTY MUCH HANDLES IT FOR THE ACADEMY.
NOW THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS ARE, SINCE THEY'RE PUBLIC BODIES, THEY HAVE EACH NAME ONE ALSO, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION OR YOU WANT IT TO BE SARAH.
SHE WANTS TO DO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS GET MONEY FOR YOUR REQUESTS, SO IT MIGHT NOT BE WORTH IT.
I THINK SHE GETS, THEY ASKED ME WAS THERE OFF.
SO LET'S GET INTO PUBLIC RECORDS.
UM, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IS IT'S, YOU'RE MOSTLY DOING MEETINGS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THEM IN MIND THAT YOU KNOW, EVERY, ALL YOUR EMAILS AND ALL STAFF'S EMAILS THAT ARE ABOUT EDA BUSINESS.
IF YOU'RE SENDING THEM PHOTOGRAPHS, REPORTS, YOUR MINUTES, YOUR AGENDAS, ALL THESE PAPERS OVER HERE, UM, EVERYTHING THAT YOU PRODUCE AS A PUBLIC RECORD VOICEMAIL, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT FORM IT'S, UM, AND INCLUDES DRAFT IF YOU HAVE THE DRAFT MINUTES STARTED.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK, OH, CAN I GET THE MANS? OH, I DON'T HAVE THOSE READY YET.
I THINK OUR AGENDA SOFTWARE PROBABLY JUST DOES THE MINUTES, BUT YEAH, YOU CAN'T SAY I'M NOT DONE WITH IT YET.
IF YOU STARTED IT, IT'S IN YOUR SYSTEM AND THEN THAT'S A PUBLIC RECORD.
UM, WELL, JUST TO TOUCH ON WHATEVER HAPPENS TO THEM, EVENTUALLY SOME RECORDS ARE REQUIRED TO BE KEPT INDEFINITELY.
THERE'S THIS WHOLE SCHEDULE THAT THE LIBRARY OF VIRGINIA PROVIDES ABOUT CERTAIN RECORDS AND EITHER, AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME RECORDS ARE JUST LIKE YOU, DON'T THE DAY AFTER THEY'RE NECESSARY, YOU COULD DESTROY HIM.
SOME ARE TWO YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THE END OF A CONTRACT OR SOMETHING.
SOME REAL ESTATE STUFF IS FOREVER.
AND SO YOU CAN BE EITHER WE HAVE RETENTION SCHEDULES AND WE GET RID OF RECORDS TIMELY SO THAT IF SOMEONE ASKS FOR SOMETHING FROM FIVE YEARS AGO, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE IT ANYMORE BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY REQUIRED TO BE KEPT FOR TWO YEARS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PRODUCE THAT.
UM, AND THE STUFF THAT GOES TO THE LIBRARY OF VIRGINIA, ONCE IT'S OVER THERE, THEY HAVE TO GO REQUEST THAT FROM THE LIBRARY, VIRGINIA, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO GET IT BACK AND THEN PRODUCE IT.
SO IT'S JUST THE STUFF IN OUR POSSESSION ABOUT OUR BUSINESS EMAILS OR, YOU KNOW, CAN BE INTERESTING BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT EMAIL ACCOUNTS AND, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN IT'S A GOOD REMINDER, IT'S ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE, NOT THE DEVICE OR THE SYSTEM.
SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EDA BUSINESS AND YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE COUNTER EDA EMAILS, LIKE COUNTY EMAILS FOR THE NETWORK, BUT IF YOU'RE USING YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL ACCOUNTS OR MAYBE TEXTING ON YOUR PERSONAL PHONE, THAT'S NOT BEING CAPTURED.
AND WE GOT FOIL REQUESTS FOR ALL EMAIL EXCHANGES BETWEEN ADA MEMBERS ON JULY 1ST.
UM, WE WOULD SEARCH OUR, OUR NETWORK, OUR ACCOUNTING NETWORK FOR YOUR EMAIL ADDRESSES AND PULL THE EMAILS THAT WAY, IF YOU'RE EMAILING FROM, I DON'T KNOW, GMAIL, YAHOO, AOL IS THAT WHATEVER PERSONAL ACCOUNT YOU HAVE, THOSE RECORDS ARE THOSE EMAILS AREN'T GONNA COME UP, RIGHT? CAUSE WE DON'T, WE CAN'T PULL OFF YOUR SYSTEM.
TRY TO USE, USE YOUR, YOUR COUNTY EMAIL, UM, WHEN YOU'RE SENDING AND RECEIVING ABOUT BUSINESS.
NOW, THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE THAT IF YOU'RE USING THE COUNTY EMAIL AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU SEND AN EMAIL TO I DON'T YOUR SPOUSE OR YOUR KID OR SOMETHING ABOUT, HEY, I'M LEAVING SOON.
THAT'S NOT ABOUT EDA BUSINESS, EVEN THOUGH YOU USE THE EDA ACCOUNT, IT'S THAT WOULDN'T BE A PUBLIC RECORD BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T TRANSACTING.
SO JUST A GOOD REMINDER, UM, TO USE THE COUNTY SYSTEM SO THAT WE DON'T GET CHARGED WITH A VIOLATION FOR NOT PRODUCING A RECORD.
WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING THERE.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE SECOND POINT MORE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MEETINGS, BUT WE GENERALLY, UM, THERE'S A POINT WHERE IF THE CLOSER YOU GET TO HAVING A SIMULTANEOUS CONVERSATION, THE CLOSER YOU GET TO HAVING AN ILLEGAL.
SO WE SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN EMAIL EACH OTHER INDIVIDUALLY, TRY NOT TO REPLY ALL.
AND IF YOU'RE EMAILING BACK AND FORTH, REPLYING ALL BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, SO FAR THAT'S NOT BEEN, HAD TO BE A MEETING, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S NEW TECHNOLOGIES, THERE'S MESSAGING SYSTEMS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE PHONE OR, YOU KNOW, TALK ONE-ON-ONE, UM, TRY TO AVOID THE REAL FLY OF, YOU KNOW, VERY INSTANTANEOUS CONVERSATIONS.
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SO HOW DO PEOPLE REQUEST PUBLIC RECORDS? MOSTLY THEY EMAIL US, YOU CAN CALL US, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO SAY, OH, THIS IS A FOYER REQUEST.IT CAN BE VERY INFORMAL ON IT.
IN FACT, THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF VOYA TRANSACTIONS EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION GOING ON PHONE CALLS AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S CUSTOMER SERVICE.
AND THEN THERE'S FOI WHEN THAT STARTS TO GET MORE PARTICULAR ABOUT, I REALLY WANT THIS DOCUMENT FROM THIS REZONING CASE OR WHATEVER, WE TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO USE THE FORM ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE, WHICH YOU CAN, YOU CAN JUST GO TO OUR HOMEPAGE AND CLICK ON FOYA.
AND IT BRINGS UP THIS FILLABLE FORM AND IT EMAILS IT TO LISA B AND THEN THAT LETS THEM PUT THEIR ADDRESS AND LET THEM WRITE THEIR REQUESTS PRETTY SPECIFICALLY.
SO, SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE START TRACKING IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE CERTAIN DAYS TO RESPOND, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT GETS IT PROCESSING.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAPPEN TO GET A PHONE CALL OR AN EMAIL, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW ABOUT BOY, YOU JUST, THE POINT IS ALWAYS LIKE THEY SHOULD KNOW WHO TO CONTACT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SAY, WHO ARE THE OFFICERS? BUT IF YOU GET IT FOR SOME REASON, YOU WANT TO GET IT TO SARAH AND SHE'LL GET IT TO THE RIGHT PLACE SO WE CAN START PROCESSING IT AND STAYING IN COMPLIANCE.
AND AGAIN, THE PURPOSE DOESN'T MATTER.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE GET, UM, WE GET SOME ROUTINE ONES FROM MAYBE SOME HOUSE FLIPPERS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND OUT, OH, GIVE ME A LIST OF ALL THE HOUSES, ALL THE HOUSES, ALL THE HOUSES, CURRENT HOUSING VIOLATIONS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE KNOW THEY'RE USING IT FOR THEIR BUSINESS PURPOSES.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T WITHHOLD THOSE AND YEAH, THERE WHERE WE CAN CHARGE FOR OUR TIME TO GET THEM, WHICH ISN'T A LOT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES.
BUT, UM, YEAH, SO THAT IT USED TO BE THAT YOU, THEY MAKE A REQUEST.
IF YOU HAVE THE DATA YOU PROVIDED, BUT YOU WEREN'T REQUIRED TO MAKE USE OF THAT.
YOU WEREN'T REQUIRED TO COLLECT SOMETHING INTO A SPREADSHEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IS THAT OKAY? SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT TOO.
AND IT MIGHT BE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NOW.
IT'S VOYA IS ABOUT REQUESTING A RECORD THAT EXISTS.
SO IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING, JUST ASKING A QUESTION AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IN A DOCUMENT THEN, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO CREATE A DOCUMENT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO CREATE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT WORDS ON A PIECE OF PAPER TO GIVE THEM IF THAT DOESN'T ALREADY EXIST.
NOW THERE'S A SLIGHT EXCEPTION THAT IF ALL YOUR STUFF IS IN LIKE A COMPUTER DATABASE, I MEAN, TECHNICALLY THEY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER'S NOT EXEMPT.
THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO, AND SO IF IT'S EASIER FOR US, WHICH IT SOMETIMES IS WE'LL EXTRACT LIKE CERTAIN DATA FIELDS FROM THAT, FROM THAT SOFTWARE TO GIVE TO THEM BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE SOFTWARE THAT RECORD EXISTS IN A SOFTWARE SYSTEM.
SO WE'RE JUST EXTRACTING DATA.
SO BEFORE YOU SAID THAT, THAT REPORT THAT WE EXTRACTED, THAT'S NOT A NEW EMPLOYEE RECORD, WE'RE JUST GIVING THEM THE INFORMATION THEY REQUESTED AND EASIER.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE EXCEPTION TO THAT GOOD QUESTION.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT? YEAH.
CAUSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, THREE PIECES OF DATA ABOUT HOUSES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PULL ALL THOSE SWEETS.
NO, WE WOULD JUST, WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TRAINED STAFF.
MAYBE THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THAT'S ON THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION.
HEY, IT MIGHT HAVE TWO OF THE THREE.
IT MIGHT HAVE ONE OF THE THREE.
IT, UM, HAS NOT A 3, 1, 1 SENTENCE, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT HERE'S A DOCUMENT THAT SEEMS RELEVANT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THEY TELL US EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR A DOCUMENT THAT HAS THAT INFORMATION.
AND THEN WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR THESE PUBLIC RECORDS? WHAT REALLY IS JUST VIRGINIA, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESS AND, AND USE NEWSPAPERS, BUT YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T, YOU GUYS, AREN'T GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS, MAYBE NOT ANY, BUT WE GET EVERY DAY AND YOU KNOW, A DECENT AMOUNT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S BUYING A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR PHASE ONE ANALYSIS AND THEY'RE ASKING THE COUNTY FOR ALL RECORDS.
DO WE HAVE ANY RECORDS OF UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS ON THIS PROPERTY? WE HAVE ANY RECORDS OF ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO, UM, AND A LOT OF TIMES THESE COMPANIES WILL BE FROM OUT OF STATE OF ILLINOIS.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST THEIR GENERAL OFFICE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO VOID IT.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU CAN PROVIDE US WITH YOUR VIRGINIA ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, NOW THE FOYER COUNCIL, THE STATE AGENCY, THEY RECOMMEND THAT YOU RESPOND, I GUESS, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS FIND SOMEONE THEY KNOW IN VIRGINIA, IF THEY KNOW SOMEONE OR ASK SOMEONE AND SUBMIT THE SAME REQUEST THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF A CUSTOMER SERVICE VERSUS FOYA THING.
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UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS HOW, BUT IF YOU DO DECIDE TO RESPOND TO THE OUT OF STATE REQUESTS, WELL, NONE OF THE TIMELINES WOULD APPLY.RIGHT? CAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY, PROBABLY DOESN'T HAPPEN TO YOU GUYS ALLOWED, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE DEAL WITH IT.
UM, SO THEY'RE RESPONDING TO THE RECORDS REQUESTS.
WE'VE GOT FIVE WORK DAYS AND DAY ONE STARTS THE DATE AFTER YOU RECEIVED THE REQUESTS AND YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A RESPONSE WITHIN THE FIVE WORK DAYS FOR THAT SAVOY VIOLATION.
YOU CAN GET A SEVEN DAY EXTENSION IF YOU NEED IT, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO RESPOND WITHIN THE FIVE DAYS.
USUALLY YOU WILL ONLY DO THAT IF IT'S A BAD DAY AND WE STILL HAVEN'T FOUND IT OR JUST HAVEN'T HAD TIME, THEN WE'LL SEND, WE'LL SAY SEVEN, BUT WE'RE STILL RESPONDING BY THE FIFTH DAY OF THE INITIAL REQUEST.
IS THERE A DEFINITION OF WHAT A RESPONSE? YEAH.
YOU HAVE FOUR OR FIVE, MAYBE IT'S UM, THE NEXT ONE HERE ARE THE FIVE POSSIBLE.
SO EITHER PROVIDE THE RECORDS TO WITHHOLD THE RECORDS, PROVIDE SOMEONE WITH HOLD.
SOME SAY THEY DON'T EXIST OR CAN'T BE FOUND LIKE MAYBE THEY NEVER EXISTED.
THERE WAS NOT A DOCUMENT THAT HAD THAT INFORMATION THEY REQUESTED, OR IT'S A, IT'S A DOCUMENT WE HAVE, BUT WE'VE ALREADY JUST STORED IT UNDER THE RETENTION SCHEDULES.
THAT HAPPENS A LOT WITH LIKE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND BUILDING PLANS.
UM, OR, OR WE TURN THEM OVER TO THE LIBRARY OF VIRGINIA.
SO THAT WOULD BE A RESPONSE FOR ALL OF THOSE SITUATIONS.
DO ALL FOYER IS PERTINENT TO ALL PARTS OF OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
IN FACT, THAT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER.
THEY'RE THEIR OWN PUBLIC BODY.
THEREFORE YOU RECORD, THEY'RE EXTREMELY COMPLICATED WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS AND NON CRIMINAL RECORDS IN THE STATE LEGISLATION KEEPS FLIP-FLOPPING HOW TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEW POLICE.
SO THEY MIGHT JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT PROVIDE IT ONLY IF THERE'S AN EXEMPTION THAT APPLIES.
AND THERE'S LIKE VERY COMPLICATED FLOW CHARTS FOR SOME OF THEIR STUFF, BUT THEIR FOIL OFFICERS, THE SHERIFFS OFFICERS HAVE TO BE REALLY, REALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE WHEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT EXEMPTIONS.
EXEMPTIONS DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T PROVIDE IT.
IT JUST MEANS YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO EVOLVE IT.
NOW ALWAYS SAYS UNLESS OTHERWISE PROHIBITED BY LAW.
WELL, THERE ACTUALLY ARE A DECENT AMOUNT OF OTHER LAWS LIKE JUVENILE LAWS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TAXPAYER INFORMATION.
SO YOU REALLY HAVE TO KNOW VOYA AND YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE OTHER LAWS TO KNOW IF YOU CAN NOT.
SO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAVE AN ESPECIALLY DIFFICULT JOB IN LOOKING AT THEIR RECORDS REQUESTS.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, IF YOU NEED MORE TIME.
IN FACT, THE 60 DAY, THE 60 DAY, OUR SEVEN DAY EXTENSION THAT THE CRIMINAL RECORDS, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THEY GET 60 DAYS OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE FILES.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S BEEN FLIP-FLOPPING LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WHETHER YOU CAN WITHHOLD THEM OR RELEASE THEM.
AND WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THEY PROBABLY NEED IT.
THE FOYA EXEMPTIONS AND SEPARATE RECORDS FOR NOW, THESE ARE VERY SIMILAR TO LIKE, IF YOU GO INTO A CLOSED MEETING FOR THE REASONS YOU HAVE TO CLOSE MEETINGS AND THIS LIST IS REALLY LONG, I JUST PUT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THAT.
I THOUGHT YOU GUYS, WHILE YOU ALWAYS PUT PERSONALITIES, THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DO YOU GUYS HAVE PERSONNEL PER SE? SO YOU DON'T DO THAT, BUT ATTORNEY, CLIENT PRIVILEGE STUFF.
SO ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT ASK YOUR ATTORNEY, YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL OR US, UM, OR THAT WE MIGHT PROVIDE BACK TO YOU.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A DISCLAIMER AT THE BOTTOM OF OUR EMAILS SAYING, YOU KNOW, DON'T FORWARD OUR EMAILS THAT OUR PERMISSION, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S RELEASING OUR PRIVILEGE AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE EVER HAD TO LITIGATE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CALL THAT BACK.
UM, WORK PRODUCT IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE GOING TO LITIGATION, ANY DOCUMENTS THAT YOU PREPARE FOR A LITIGATION WOULD ALSO FALL UNDER THAT CLOSED MEETING DOCUMENTS.
THAT'S PROBABLY YOUR BIGGEST ONE, RIGHT? UM, APPRAISALS AND COSTS OF ESTIMATES OF REAL ESTATE.
IF YOU'RE WORKING ON A DEAL BEFORE THE TRANSACTION IS COMPLETED, SAME WITH CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.
AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S THE LIST OF EXEMPTIONS IS, IS QUITE EXTENSIVE, QUITE EXTENSIVE.
AND THEY'RE SEPARATE SECTIONS FOR CRIMINAL RECORDS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOFTWARE PRIVACY AND VENDOR, UM, PRIVATE INFORMATION AND TRADE SECRETS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO, UM, AND THEN AS I SAID, WE CAN, WE CAN CHARGE HER RECORDS.
WE HAVE THE DUTY TO DO IT AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE COST.
UM, IF, IF WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE OVER
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$200, THAT WOULD BE A BIG REQUEST.I MEAN, WE CAN ASK HER A DEPOSIT IN ADVANCE.
SO BEFORE SPENDING THE PUBLIC'S MONEY TO DO THAT, AND THEN MAYBE NOT GETTING PAID, THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT WOULD TRIGGER US TO SAY, YOU NEED TO PROVIDE US WITH A DEPOSIT.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DONE THAT HERE.
IN FACT, WE, WE NORMALLY TRY TO RESPOND TO STUFF THE SAME DAY IT COMES IN.
WE TRY TO GET IT BACK OUT IF WE HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY KNOW IF WE HAVE IT AND YOU KNOW, WE DON'T CHARGE AND THAT'S BECAUSE MOST, EVERYTHING IS JUST ELECTRONIC, YOU KNOW, UNLESS SOMEONE REALLY WANTS TO BE PRINTED OR YOU WANT A BIG FLAT OR A MAP.
I THINK, UM, I THINK JOHN REALLY DOES SOME GIS MAPS.
THERE MIGHT BE A CHARGE FOR THOSE, BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE LIKE TO HAVE A GOOD REPUTATION OF BEING TRANSPARENT AND FOLLOWING FOYA.
AND SO WE'RE PRETTY EFFICIENT.
UM, THEY DON'T PAY THEIR BILL, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET IN THAT SAME PERSON MAKES ANOTHER REQUEST.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO RESPOND UNTIL THEY PAY THEIR BILL.
AND THIS WAS JUST A CHANGE FROM THIS YEAR, MORE FOR THE FOIL OFFICER TRAINING.
BUT THEY USED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITIZEN CAN REQUEST A COST ESTIMATE AND, AND NOW IT SAYS WE HAVE TO ASK THEM IF THEY WANT TO PROCESS AN EVENT.
SO IT JUST SHIFTED THE BURDEN TO US, THE GOVERNMENT TO ASK THEM, OKAY, SO NOW IF WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE SOMEONE, WE CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING ASKED THEM IF THEY WANT TO CALL ASSESSMENT.
SO, UM, WHERE WE'VE AMENDED OUR LITTLE FORM ALREADY ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCESS PRIOR TO US, YOU'RE SEARCHING FOR THE RECORD SO THEY CAN CHECK AFTER NOW.
AND WE'LL JUST HAVE ANOTHER REASON TO JUST TRY TO DIRECT EVERYONE TO THAT FORM.
EVEN THOUGH THEY WENT THROUGH ALL THAT STUFF FOR MODULES, IT GETS IT PROCESSED AND GET, LETS US TRACK IT AND THEY'LL PROBABLY GET A RESPONSE MAYBE FASTER.
UM, CAUSE WE'RE PRETTY EFFICIENT WITH THAT.
AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, UM, BEFORE YOU PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE RECORDS THAT EXISTS, UM, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, GIVE INTERVIEWS, PROVIDE EXPLANATIONS AND BELIEVE ME, THEY ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS LIKE, OH, WHAT RECENTLY WAS, UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF A BUILDING NEVER GOT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY? OKAY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OR, UM, YEAH, I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT ALL OF THE ONES, BUT UH, WE CAN, IT'S NOT FREE.
IT'S FREE TO THE MEETINGS, BUT THE RECORDS THAT WE CAN CHARGE, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE TO DO IT AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE COST, BUT WE CAN CHARGE.
AND THE EXEMPTIONS, DON'T SAY YOU CAN'T RELEASE IT JUST THAT YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RELEASE, YOU CAN, OR YOU CAN, IT'S UP TO YOU, YOUR POLICY OR OTHERWISE, BLAH, BLAH.
IT'S UP TO YOU AT THE DECISION, BUT THAT'S ONLY IF THE EXEMPTION APPLIES AND SOMEONE CALLS ON THE PHONE, THAT'S SOME, UM, COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO SOMEONE CALLED UP FROM ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS IS LIKE, YEAH, THIS GUY CALLED T WANTED TO SEE IF WE WANTED A COPY OF THIS, BUT IT'S NOT A FOYER REQUEST, YOU KNOW? CAUSE HE JUST CALLED ME.
WELL, THE MAN IS, BUT IT'S OKAY.
I MEAN, IT'S ALL THE SAME THING.
UM, WE DIDN'T ASK IF HE WAS IN VIRGINIA AND OR WHATEVER, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST THE, JUST THAT IT'S STUFF, IT'S ALL THE SAME THING.
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT'S A FOUR YEAR OLD QUEST.
SO LET'S GET INTO OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY.
UM, AND YOU HAVE A GREAT STAFF WHO DOES ALL THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR YOU AND GETS YOUR AGENDAS READY AND YOUR MINUTE, BUT ABSOLUTELY.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHEN THREE OR MORE OF YOU GET TOGETHER, UM, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT BUSINESS, UM, EDA BUSINESS.
AND THAT'S WHEN IT'S AN OFFICIAL MEETING THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE NOTICE FOR.
SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY CAN COME WATCH YOUR MEETING OR COME ATTEND YOUR MEETING FOR FREE.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL, OF COURSE, THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO FUNCTIONS AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT TALKING, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF EDA BUSINESS.
SO THERE'S SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR THAT.
UM, BUT YEAH, THERE'S FOIL REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL.
WHEN THESE AGENDAS HAVE TO BE PUBLISHED, WHEN YOUR MEETING SCHEDULE HAS TO BE PUBLISHED, HOW MANY DAYS IN ADVANCE? UM, IT HAS TO BE ON THE WEBSITE OR PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A MEETING TO COME TO THE MEETING.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE ALL OPEN UNLESS YOU HAVE, UNLESS YOU GO INTO CLOSE MEETING WITH A SPECIFIC EXEMPTION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A THINK THAT THE CLOSED MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MOTIONS THAT YOU READ, THEY'RE KIND OF LENGTHY.
THIS IS WHY THEY, THERE IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT, UM, ABOUT THE PROCESS YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW TO GET INTO CLOSE MEETING AND WHAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHY THE MOTION'S A LITTLE BIT LENGTHY.
IT IDENTIFIES THE SUBJECT MATTER, THE PURPOSE.
AND THEN THAT THE AUTHORITY IS THE FOIA EXEMPTION.
AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT, UM, MAYBE THE COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE GOING IN
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FOR, CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, BUT UM, IF IT'S CONFIDENTIAL, LIKE AN EXPANDING BUSINESS OR AN EXISTING BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'LL SAY WE'RE GOING IN AND THEN YOU'LL SAY THE SUBJECT IS SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS DO PROJECT PROJECT NAMES, LIKE SILLY PRODUCT NAMES OR WHATEVER PROJECT, PICKLE OR WHATEVER IS FOR THAT PROJECT.THAT'S HOW YOU COULD MEET THAT SUBJECT MATTER.
AND THAT'S AND THEN, AND THEN SOMEONE WHO WAS TRACKING YOUR CLOSE MEETINGS, SEE WHAT YOU'RE THERE KNOWING, OH, THAT'S THE SAME PROJECT THEY TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK OR, OR THEY'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THAT PROJECT.
WELL, THIS IS A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
SO THAT'S HOW IT WOULD JUST BE, WELL, WHICH PROJECT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT NOW? IS IT THE SAME ONE? THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD DISTINGUISH THAT WITHOUT REVEALING ANYTHING ABOUT THE CONFIDENTIAL NATURE OF IT.
AND THEN YOU CAN'T VOTE IN THE CLOSED SECTION OR EVEN TAKE A STRAW FOR, UM, YOU CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COME OUT AND VOTE TO CERTIFY THE CLOSED MEETING.
YOU HAVE TO DO THAT IN THE OPEN MEETING.
SO THAT PART WOULD BE BACK ON THE VIDEO OF SOMEONE WHO WAS WATCHING AND THEN YOU ALL HAVE TO VOTE.
WHETHER OR NOT YOU STRAIGHT, YOU STAY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OR, AND YOU VOTE.
NO, THAT JUST GOES IN THE MINUTES TO REFLECT, OH GOSH, SOMETHING WEIRD HAPPENED TO THAT SLIDE.
BUT UM, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME AS THE RECORDS, THE PERSONNEL PERSPECTIVE, BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY, UM, THE ACQUISITION OR DISPOSITION OF REAL PROPERTY, CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS, LEGAL ADVICE.
WHAT ARE YOU, WHICH ONE ARE YOU DOING TONIGHT? EXPANSION OF A BUSINESS OR, OR YOU'RE NOT DOING IT, BUT IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
UM, PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE YOU DO A LOT WHERE YOU CAN TELL US WHICH ONES YOU DO A LOT AND YEAH.
AND, UM, SARAH HAS TABLETS AND SHE JUST PLUGS IT IN, YOU KNOW, IF IT CHANGES, THEN SHE PLUGS IN THE DIFFERENT CODES EXTRA FOR THAT SECTION OF THE ONES YOU USE THE MOST FREQUENTLY.
I DON'T KNOW SOMETHING WEIRD GOING ON THERE.
MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT AS A STAR OPPORTUNITY.
SO THIS IS NEW THIS YEAR, BUT I THINK OUR SOFTWARE AGENDA SOFTWARE DOES THIS.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE MINUTES, BUT SOME PEOPLE, SOME LOCAL GOVERNING BODIES OR OTHER PUBLIC BODIES NEVER POST THEIR MINUTES ANYWHERE.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM, BUT YOU CAN'T EVER SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
SO NOW IF YOU HAD OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT WEBSITE, YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM ON THERE WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF APPROVAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU USUALLY APPROVE IT PROBABLY AT THE NEXT MEETING OR MAYBE TWO MEETINGS LATER.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR HOW LONG YOU HAVE TO TAKE TO GET TO APPROVAL.
BUT ONCE YOUR APPROVAL APPROVE IT, IT GOES ON THE WEBSITE WITHIN SEVEN, SEVEN BUSINESS DAYS.
SO HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? SO AFTER THE MEETING, THEY APPROVE IT AND THEN YOU JUST PUBLISH IT OR IT HAPPENS AUTOMATICALLY.
UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY OUT THERE.
THEY'RE NOT MARKED AS DRAFT OR OFFICIAL OR ANYTHING.
AND SO AFTER THE EDA APPROVES THE MINUTES AND DO NOT HAVE ANY CHANGES, I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THEM.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THIS EVENING WE MADE A CHANGE TO THE APRIL MINUTES.
SO I'LL NEED TO GO IN THERE AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES WITHIN SEVEN DAYS AND REPUBLISH IT.
THEY'RE ALREADY IN THERE CAUSE THEY'RE IN THE AGENDA PACKET FOR THE NEXT MONTH FOR YOU.
THEY'RE ALREADY IN THERE AS MINUTES UNDER THE MEETING.
UNDER THE, SO THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF FOR YOU, BUT THAT'S JUST A LITTLE CHANGE THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW? UM, YEAH.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, UH, YEAH.
TRYING TO CONTACT PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY.
NO, DOING THESE BIG GROUP EMAILS ALL THE TIME, REALLY IN CLOSE SUCCESSION TO ONE ANOTHER.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE EMAILS ARE A PUBLIC BREAKFAST UNLESS THEY MET ONE OF THE EXEMPTIONS.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, YOU KNOW, WE END UP VIOLATING FOYA.
SOMEONE COULD GO AND FILE AN ACTION OVER HERE.
AND IN ONE OF OUR COURTHOUSES IN GOOCHLAND, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY AGAINST IF IT WAS FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, THE BODY AND YOUR FOIL OFFICER, SO MAYBE LISA B OR SARAH, WHOEVER, UM, AND NOW SCHEDULE A HEARING WITHIN SEVEN DAYS AND YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE COURT SAYS, IT CAN REQUIRE US TO PRODUCE THEM.
BUT ALL THE BURDEN IS ON THE PUBLIC BODIES TO SAY WHY IT WASN'T PRODUCED AND TO MAKE, TO SHOW THAT YOU'VE MET THE EXEMPTIONS, THE BURDEN IS NOT ON THE CITIZEN.
AND THE BURDEN IS ON US TO PROVE WHY THAT WE WERE OKAY FOR WITHHOLDING IT.
SO THERE'S NOT REALLY AN EXCUSE FOR THAT.
UM, AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, EMAILS GET MISSED OR THEIR SOFTWARE GLITCHES AND THAT HAPPENS.
AND YET TECHNICALLY WE DIDN'T RESPOND WITHIN FIVE DAYS, BUT AS SOON AS WE FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WE CONTACT THE PERSON.
THAT'S LIKE, HEY, DIDN'T SEE THIS.
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HEY, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU.I'M LIKE, COME ON, DID YOU GET THIS EMAIL? AND YOU KNOW, YOU WORK IT OUT WITH GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T EVER GONE TO COURT, BUT UM, I'VE BEEN READING A PAPER AND I SEE ONE OF OUR CITIZENS WENT TO COURT AGAINST THE STATE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, OPIOID RECORDS FROM MAYBE THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND HE WENT AND UM, WENT TO CIRCUIT COURT AND HE, THEY USED TO GIVE HIM THE RECORDS.
AND THEN I THINK THEY UPDATED THEIR SOFTWARE SYSTEM SO THAT THEY DIDN'T SAY THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RECORDS ANYMORE.
ANYWAY, HE WON, HE PREVAILED IN COURT AND UM, HE WON HIS ATTORNEY'S FEES.
AND SO THE STATE OF VIRGINIA HAS TO PAY HIM HIS CLASSES.
I TRIED TO SPEAK ONE OF OURS SINCE, SINCE, UM, SO WHO WOULD PAY THE PENALTY IN THE CASE OF, WELL, THE EDA OR THE COUNTY, WHOEVER WAS SUED? YES.
BECAUSE THE FOIL OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, BEING A FOIL OFFICER ON BEHALF OF THE, UM, YEAH, AND THAT'S MORE A REPUTATION THING.
THAT'S TIME, TIME YOU GO TO COURT IT'S TIME.
AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THAT SITUATION.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LINK ON YOUR LOCAL GUARDIAN BODY WEBSITE TO THE FOIL COUNCIL'S WEBSITE, WHERE PEOPLE CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE DOING WITH HOW THIS LOCALITY DOES WITH ITS, UH, SPOIL YOUR RESPONSES.
AND THERE ARE, THERE ARE AGENTS, THERE ARE PRIVATES, I GUESS, NON-PROFIT AGENCIES OUT THERE WHO TRACK THIS STUFF.
AND I WAS LIKE, THIS IS A GOOD COUNTY, THIS TERRIBLE THAT STUFF'S BEING WATCHED.
UM, IN FACT, MAYBE THE COALITION VIRGINIA COALITION FOR OPEN GOVERNMENT AT THE BOTTOM, WHENEVER YOU READ A FOIL ARTICLE IN THE NEWSPAPER, YOU PROBABLY SEE THE NAME, MEGAN, RYAN, SHE WORKS FOR THIS ORGANIZATION.
SHE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, TELLING US WHAT HAPPENED WITH VOYA.
THIS LOCALITY DID THIS, THIS PUBLIC BODY DID THIS, OR THEY WENT INTO CLOSE MEETING AND THEY NEVER SAID WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND THAT WASN'T A PROPER PURPOSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REPUTATION MANAGEMENT AND, UM, BEING A TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT AND FOLLOWING THE LAW FORCE, UM, THE, THE FOYER COUNCIL THAT I KEEP TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.
THERE'S THEY PROVIDE OPINIONS.
IF YOU WANT TO ASK, YOU KNOW, THEIR LEGAL OPINION ON, UM, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ANSWER IS, WHETHER SOMETHING HAS TO BE RELEASED OR NOT.
UM, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S NAME IS ALAN GERHARDT.
HE'S SUPER, YOU KNOW, HE'S GREAT.
HE RESPONDS TO EMAILS REALLY FAST SOMETIMES WHEN I'M IN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT SOMETHING, I'LL CALL HIM VERY RESPONSIVE.
SO THAT'S AVAILABLE AND THEY ISSUE OPINIONS AND YOU CAN SEARCH OPINIONS ON THEIR WEBSITE.
THEY MIGHT'VE ALREADY ISSUED AN OPINION ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT.
SO SOMETIMES WE USE THAT TOO, WHEN WE'RE RESEARCHING, UM, OF COURSE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINIONS, THE SAME IN ATTORNEY GENERAL WEBSITE, THEY MIGHT DO A BOY THING, BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S GOOD.
AND OF COURSE YOU CAN CALL US, WE, WE'RE PROBABLY USING SOME OF THOSE RESOURCES AND LOOKING AT THE LAW AGAIN, AS MUCH AS WE'RE IN FOYA AND IT'S EVERY DAY REALLY FOR US.
I MEAN, EVERY QUESTION SOMETIMES IS UNIQUE.
AND SO WE'LL JUST GO BACK AND READ THE STATUTE AGAIN, WHEN MAYBE IT CHANGED THE SCENARIO, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS ALWAYS TWEAKING, LITTLE THINGS.
SO, UM, EVEN WE'RE IN IT EVERY DAY, WE WANT TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN BEFORE WE GET AN ANSWER.
WHY DON'T WE HERE WRITTEN FOR YOU BEFORE? I'M SURE YOU HAVE HOW MANY TIMES, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF BACK WHETHER IT BE IN POLITICS OR YEAH.
I MEAN, IT IS A RESOURCE IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO THAT PEOPLE SEE HOW GOVERNMENT IS TRANSACTED.
SUPPOSEDLY WE'RE DOING THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS, RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE'RE PUBLICLY FUNDED.
SO, AND THAT'S SUPPOSEDLY WE ARE THIS, UM, UM, THERE IS A SIGN IN SHEET, BUT I'M, I KNOW IT'S GOT THAT COVERED.
SO, UM, CHRISTINA AND BL OFF THE PARALEGAL IN OUR OFFICE, SHE'LL MAKE THE CERTIFICATE, PROBABLY SEND IT TO YOU, BUT ALSO SEND A COPY TO LISA B AND THEN LISA B, WE'LL KEEP THAT FOR HOW LONG YOU DO IT ALL AND WANT TO DO IT ONLINE, THEN YOU CAN COME BACK.
TELL ME A YEAR, KELLY, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN LIKE US TRACKER REPORTS, THERE'S THIS DIFFERENT, LIKE ALL THE ELECTRIC STUFF GOING ON AND THE CHANGES IN THE LOG THAT CHANGED.
SO WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT FROM LIKE THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE THE STANDARD ONES.
I TELL YOU, WE GET, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S DOING A RESEARCH ON THE PROPERTY, BUT I WILL ASK LISA, WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU.
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SAY HUNDREDS.BUT NOT THE HOUSES, YOU KNOW, LIKE BIG CITIES THEY HAVE LIKE, WE'D BE SOPHOMORE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GROWING AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE'RE STILL HANDLING IT, YOU KNOW, VIA EMAIL AND JUST WITH OUR, WITH OUR RESOURCES AND WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY EFFICIENT.
CAN YOU ATTRACTED SCHOOLS ALSO? OR I KNOW THEY HAVE A SEPARATE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO NO, THEY'RE THEIR OWN PUBLIC BODY UNDER FOYA.
AND SO THEY HAVE A BOY OFFICER, THEIR SCHOOL BOARD CLERK, AND THEY HAVE, EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED BY LAW AND THE EXEMPTIONS.
REMEMBER I SAID HOW LONG THEY ARE AT SCHOOLS AS A WHOLE, PROBABLY SEPARATE SECTION.
AND YOU REALLY HAVE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL BOB OUT INFORMATION.
THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR HEARING US.
[C. Discussion - Restrictive Covenants in Industrial Parks]
YES SIR.SO, UM, WE RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM AN OWNER OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN OREGON BUSINESS PARK.
UM, THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY AND DURING THE TITLE RESEARCH, UM, THEY CAME ACROSS SOME RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS IN THE OIL MILL BUSINESS PARK.
SO IN ORDER TO, I GUESS, MEDIATE THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, THEY HAD REQUESTED AN ESTOPPEL CERTIFICATE FROM THE EDA, BASICALLY SAYING CERTAIN THINGS AND YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT IN FRONT OF YOU THERE.
I REQUESTED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY THINK THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP US WITH.
OR IF WE NEEDED A CONTENT QUESTION IN BARTON AND VERY GENEROUSLY, THEY SAID, WE COULD PROBABLY HANDLE THIS ONE.
AND THEY DRAFTED THIS CERTIFICATE IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND WE HAVE HAD, UM, THE SELLER AND THE BUYER AGREE TO THIS CERTIFICATE.
UM, SO THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE BROUGHT UP A LARGER QUESTION, UH, WHICH WE WILL GET INTO.
SO TWO THINGS TONIGHT, WE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS, THIS BROADER ISSUE OF WHY DOES EDA STILL HAVE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AND SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT? DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THAT YOU WANT TO REMOVE SOME OF THEM? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WHAT TO DO? AND THEN ALSO APPROVE THIS, UM, CERTIFICATE SO WE CAN GET IT SIGNED AND BACK TO THEM SO THEY CAN CLOSE ON THEIR LAND BY THE END OF THIS WEEK.
UM, SO THEY, THE CERTIFICATE WAS EVENING IN FRONT OF YOU HAS FIVE, UM, THINGS IN IT.
UM, BASICALLY THE FIRST ONE IS SAYING THAT, UM, THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS ARE UNMODIFIED AND THE REMAIN FULL FORCE IN EFFECT, WHICH, WHICH THEY DO AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT CHANGED THEM.
UM, WE HAD, NO, I COULDN'T HAVE FOUND DOCUMENTATION.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PARKS OFFICE THAT THEY'D BEEN CHANGED.
UM, THE SECOND ONE IS THERE WAS A MINOR ENCROACHMENT, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT KIND OF FLAGS WITH TITLE AGENCY.
IT'S LIKE A QUARTER OF AN INCH OF THE BUILDING IS IN WITH ONE OF THE SETBACKS, NOT ZONING SETBACKS, RESTRICTIVE COVENANT SETBACKS.
IT WAS JUST BUILT A LITTLE BIT TOO CLOSE.
UM, PROBABLY WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY STAKED OUT THE FOUNDATION AND THEN ONE OF THE LIKE, UM, IEPS OR SOME OF THE DECORATIVE BREAK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS, IS OVER.
SO IT'S LITERALLY QUARTER MINAJ OVER INTO THE, THAT THE SIDE YARD SET BACK.
UM, THE OTHER ONE IS THAT THE EDA IS NOT AWARE OF THAT.
ANY OTHER PARTY IS GRANTED ANY VARIANCES ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME RIGHTS OF FIRST REFUSAL, UM, THAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR A LOT IN THERE THAT HAS NOT BEEN BUILT ON.
SO, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM ESTOPPEL.
UM, I I'D HAVE TO LOOK UP THE LEGAL DEFINITIONS, BUT BASICALLY WHERE WE WERE STOPPED FROM SAYING LATER THAT ARE HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOMETHING LATER FOR SOMETHING WE ARE IN SAID HERE, THAT WAS OKAY.
THE FIRST WE'RE SAYING IT, NOW YOU COULD RELY ON IT.
WE'RE S WE'RE BEING STOPPED FROM HOLDING YOU FOR KIND OF BEFORE.
AND BECAUSE THESE, BECAUSE THE RESTRICTIONS POPPED
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UP ON THE TITLE COMMITMENT, AND IT DID SHOW AN APPROACH WHEN IT DID SHOW THAT YOU ACTUALLY STILL HAVE A RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS LENDER IS NOT GOING TO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT, THEY WANT US TO SAY THAT WE'RE WAIVING THIS AND THAT IT'S OKAY.SO THAT THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM A MORTGAGE ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, OH, YOU'RE GOING TO BUY IT BACK.
SO THE ONLY REASON THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT THIS HAS NOT COME UP BEFORE IS THAT MAYBE SOME OF THESE LAND TRANSACTIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITHIN PASH, UM, OR THE LENDER HAS NOT DONE A TITLE SEARCH OR REQUIREMENT ON IT.
I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING IN THE FILES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE EVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.
SO YEAH, I WANTED TO, TO KIND OF BRING IT UP BECAUSE A IT'S TIME CONSUMING, LIKE I'VE TAKEN UP, YOU KNOW, IF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S TIME, IT'S TAKEN UP MY TIME, BUT NOW I'M TAKING UP YOUR TIME.
UM, IT DOES, AND HABIT THE SALE AND REDEVELOPMENT OF LOTS.
SO, UM, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO ISSUE ONE OF THESE THINGS, EVERY TIME A LOT'S GONNA SELL IT'S, IT'S GOES BACK TO BEING TIME CONSUMING AND IT'S PROHIBITIVE.
UM, MOST OF THE PARKS ARE BUILT OUT.
I HAVE SOME AERIAL SHOTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT HERE, AND THERE IS A POTENTIAL COST OF THE EDA FOR ATTORNEY FEES.
SO IF WE KEEP GETTING THESE, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE MIGHT SAY, LOOK, WE DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO DO THIS.
YOU NEED TO USE YOUR ATTORNEY ERICA PIECE FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS OLD BUSINESS PARK.
UM, I HAVE KIND OF ASTERISK, THE ONES THAT WERE SPECIFICALLY EDA ACTION IS REQUIRED BY THE COVENANTS.
SO RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS ACTUALLY SAY THAT THE EDA HAS TO APPROVE BUILDING PLANS AND ELEVATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE IN THIS INDUSTRIAL PARK.
YOU MIGHT'VE DONE IT FOR LIKE THE FIRST COUPLE OF BUILDINGS WAY BACK IN THE DAY, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE IT RECENTLY.
UM, THE SETBACKS ARE ACTUALLY MORE THAN WHAT ZONING REQUIRES.
UM, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY LIMITING WHAT BUSINESSES CAN DO AND THE INDUSTRIAL PARKS, UM, THERE'S STUFF FOR PARKING ACCESS, LOADING, DOCKS, RESTRICTIONS, EDA, SUPPOSED TO REVIEW SIGNAGE IN THE BUSINESS PARKS.
UM, THERE'S RESTRICTS BEFORE WE HAVE ASSIGNED COMMITTEE.
YES, IT COULD BE, UM, THERE'S RESTRICTIONS ON OUTDOOR STORAGE AND DISPLAY MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS.
UM, THE OIL, THE ONE SPECIFICALLY JUST LISTS OUT THE PROPER CONDITIONS AGAIN, UM, COMMENCEMENT AND COMPLETION OF CONSTRUCTION FIRST, RIGHT OF REFUSAL, AND ACTUALLY RESTRICT SOME OF THE SUBDIVISION OF THE LOTS.
SO THIS IS ALL A LITTLE BUSINESS PART.
THIS IS THE TWO LOTS OR THREE LOTS IN QUESTION THAT ARE LOOKING TO BE SOLD.
SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S TAKEN THAT WE STILL HAVE A RIGHT OF REFUSAL ON SARAH, YOUR NUMBER FIVE RESTRICTIONS.
SO ON ANOTHER DOCUMENT, I DON'T SEE ANY 16.
I BELIEVE 16 A MIGHT BE THIS LITTLE, WELL LAW.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A VACANT LOT BACK HERE THAT'S RECENTLY SOLD AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A SITE PLAN POD THAT'S PENDING, UM, UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW ON THAT.
AND THERE IS A VERY SMALL LITTLE BUILDING ON THIS, THIS SLIDES, IT LOOKS VACANT, BUT IT'S NOT.
SO, UM, THE NEXT PART WITH RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS IS GOOCHLAND INDUSTRIAL PARK.
AGAIN, SOME OF THE SAME KIND OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS.
IT REQUIRES EDA TO REVIEW THE PLANS, UM, OUTDOOR STORAGE AND DISPLAY.
AND THERE IS A FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL ON SOME OF THE LOTS IN THERE.
UM, TO NOTE, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT OF BUILDING HEIGHT, WHICH IS MORE THAN ZONINGS ZONING WILL ALLOW UP TO LIKE 60 OR SOMETHING.
UM, SO THIS IS, UM, THIS BUSINESS PARK HERE.
UM, IT IS MOSTLY DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS LOT.
THE LODGE SHOULD HAVE SCOOTED OVER HERE.
THIS IS A VACANT LOT IS THE ONLY ONE LEFT HERE.
IT WAS RECENTLY PURCHASED BY STRICKLAND MANUFACTURING AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A POD, UM, TO DO SOME BUSINESS EXPANSION HERE ON, ON THIS LOT.
UM, SO IT'LL SOON HAVE, UM, A BUILDING ON IT AS WELL.
AND THEN LASTLY, MIDPOINT INDUSTRIAL.
UM, IT WAS CREATED WITH AN ASSOCIATION OF LOT OWNERS.
SO THE EDA IS NOT THE ENFORCER OF THESE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS.
AND SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING WITH THIS.
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MORE RECENT.UM, THE EDA DOES STILL OWN ONE LOT RIGHT HERE.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY THE ENFORCER OR THERE'S NOTHING THERE FOR YOU TO HAVE TO REVIEW.
UM, SO I GUESS THE LARGER QUESTION I WOULD PUT TO YOU IS, DO YOU WANT TO TRY TO AMEND SOME OF THESE? IT MIGHT NOT MAKE SENSE NOW.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS THAT AMENDING THEM OR COMPLETELY REPEALING THEM.
I WAS TRYING TO GAUGE SOME INTEREST AS TO HOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD BEFORE WE GOT INTO LOOKS LIKE THIS HASN'T BEEN RENEWED IN DECADES.
I MEAN, I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE ABLE TO NOT OVERSTEP OTHER BODIES THAT MAKE DECISIONS IN THE COUNTY, LIKE THE SIGN COMMITTEE OR ZONING.
SO YEAH, WE NEED TO DO THE UPDATED, THE TWO MAJOR IN QUESTION COVERED BY THE COVENANTS THAT HAS US AS THE PRIMARY ENFORCER AND THEREFORE THE CHANGES COVENANTS.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'VE BEEN FILED, BUT THAT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO DO BECAUSE WE'RE THAT WHO SOLD A LOT EXCEPT FOR, YOU KNOW, THOSE AND I THINK YOU SHOULD ACTIVELY WORK TO BE OUT OF IT ANYWAY.
THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST TO DO THE PART OF THE ORIGINAL CODE, HOW THEY WERE SET UP, NOT ASKING FOR ANY TYPE OF, IS THAT A SERVICE THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WOULD DO OR WOULD YOU HAVE TO USE OUR ATTORNEY? UM, I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY PUT IT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND ASK THEM IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN WORK IN THEIR WORK PLAN FOR THE YEAR.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO GET DONE IMMEDIATELY BY ANY MEANS.
AND IF THEY THINK THAT IT'S STILL TOO BIG OF A PROJECT THAN I WOULD HAVE TO MAYBE SAY, UM, WE COULD QUOTE FROM CHRISTIAN MARTIN AND SEE IF IT'S, IF IT'S EVEN FEASIBLE.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OR EFFECTIVELY DONE WITH, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY RESTRICTIONS ON BUSINESSES THAT DON'T NEED TO BE THERE.
SO THEREFORE YOU HAVE COUNTY QUESTION OR THE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE PARKS OKAY.
WITH THIS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY WANT GUIDANCE ON FOR WHATEVER ENVIRONMENT THEY'VE CREATED.
UM, MY GUT RESPONSE IS THAT THEY WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN ENFORCING IT.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THESE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS.
UM, SO TO JOANNE'S POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON IT.
UM, BUT LET'S SAY I WOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS BROUGHT TO US.
I DON'T THINK THE COVENANTS ITSELF SPECIFY.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF OUTS, TYPICALLY LOTS, OR I THINK IT'S MORE AS WELL AS CHAIRMAN.
NO, I JUST THINK IT'S JUST A CONSENSUS THAT THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANT ME TO AT LEAST LOOK INTO AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN COME BACK.
AND AFTER I'VE TALKED TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND MAYBE BARTON, IF WE WERE TO, UH, SECURE THE, OUR ATTORNEY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WE HAD TO BUILD ON THAT.
I WOULD DEFINITELY BRING THAT BACK TO YOU HAVE COPIES FOR BOTH? YES, THEY ARE HERE.
DO THEY, UM, ON THE, UH, YES, I WOULD REQUEST THAT.
THANK YOU FOR THE ESTOPPEL CERTIFICATE SO WE CAN GET THAT TO MOVE FORWARD ON EVERY DOWN FOR A LONG GUN.
SO WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY VOTING ON FOR THIS ESTOPPEL TO SIGNATURE? OKAY.
IS THERE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN?
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I'LL SECOND.[D. New Business Update]
UM, YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM A LOT OF ME TONIGHT.UM, SO ONE OF THE NEW BUSINESS UPDATE, UM, I HAVE GONE THROUGH AND LOOKED AT ALL OF THE ACTIVE PROJECTS AND REACHED OUT TO ALL OF THEM SO THAT WE HAVE A NEW CONTACT.
UM, I'VE GOTTEN SOME RESPONSES BACK FROM SOME OF THEM, SOME OF THEM ARE HABITS.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S 17 ACTIVE PROJECTS, UM, 406 MILLION.
NOW THAT DOES INCLUDE THE NOW PUBLIC PROJECT, LUCKY SLASH ROCKY, THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN HEARING SO MUCH ABOUT.
UM, MOST OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE INDUSTRIAL AND SPORTS FACILITIES WHERE THE SPORTS FACILITIES IS COMING FROM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THEM OUT THERE LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND PROJECT ROCKY, UH, DID GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THEY HAD FILED, IT WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST MONTH, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED THREE TO, TO APPROVAL TO THE BOARD.
IT'LL BE OVER TO THE BOARD ON AUGUST 2ND.
UM, AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, UM, CITIZEN COMMENTS AND OPPOSITION SPECIFICALLY FROM PARKSIDE VILLAGE ON TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
SO STAFF IS WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY TO GET THE BOARD, THE FACTS AND THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON THAT.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL MOVE FORWARD.
UM, I AM RESPONDING TO RFPS AND DATA REQUESTS THAT COME IN, UM, THAT CASEY USED TO DO A LOT OF THAT.
UM, SO OTHER THAN PICKING THAT UP, UM, I'M ALSO GOING TO BE ATTENDING THE SITE SELECTORS GUILD, FALL FORUM, WHICH IS ENRICHMENT IN SEPTEMBER.
SO WHAT THAT IS IS BASICALLY, UM, SITE SELECTORS ARE COMING INTO THE RICHMOND AREA, WHICH IS AWESOME.
UM, IT'S ROUGHLY LIKE AN EIGHT TO ONE RATIO.
SO EIGHT SITE SELECTORS, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, UM, EIGHT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONALS TO ONE SITE SELECTOR.
SO THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD RATIO TO KIND OF GET IN AND TO SPEAK WITH THEM AND TO GET GOOCHLAND ON THEIR RADAR.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE IN THE PAST.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT OPPORTUNITY NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR MARKETING PIECES COMPLETED AND OUR TARGETED INDUSTRY.
THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK TO THE SITES, LIGHTS ARE WELL, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? UM, WELL NOW WE KNOW, SO, UM, SO THIS IS ALL GOOD INFORMATION, SO I'M EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO MOVING ON TO EXISTING BUSINESS, UM, THERE'S FIVE EXISTING BUSINESS PROJECTS, UM, WITH ROUGHLY 12 MILLION IN INVESTMENT.
UM, MY PROBLEM IS I DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PUT THEM SO THEY CAN'T INVEST.
SO I'M STILL TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT WITH THEM.
UM, UH, WE ARE HOLDING OUR FIRST ANNUAL ASHLAND ROAD BUSINESS NETWORKING EVENT, JULY 28TH AT 5:00 PM AND MIDNIGHT BREWERY.
SO IF YOU GUYS CAN COME TO THAT, THAT'D BE AWESOME.
SO I WAS 28, 28 ASHLYN ROAD, BUSINESS NETWORKING EVENTS.
SO WHEN I WENT OUT TO MEET WITH BUSINESSES ALONG THE ASHLAND REPORT, OR I KEPT HEARING, I WISH I KNEW WHO THAT COMPANY WAS OVER THERE.
I WISH I KNEW WHO DOES THAT OVER HERE.
AND SO, UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO GET THESE BUSINESSES TOGETHER, TO SPEND AN EVENING NETWORKING, UM, AND SO THAT THEY CAN MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HELP EACH OTHER OUT AND TO DO MORE BUSINESS.
UM, UM, IT PROBABLY WON'T UM, IF, IF THE PROJECT DOES THE PROJECT DOES COME, BUT ESSENTIALLY YES, BUT THE, UH, THE MEETING.
YES, WELL, UM, IT WAS A BLAST EMAIL INVITE.
SO IF REALLY ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME PICK THEM.
SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY TARGETED IT TO ACTUAL ROAD BUSINESSES, BUT MY FEELING IS IF EDA WANTED TO COME, YOU COULD ALSO NETWORK WITH OTHER BUSINESSES.
SO GET SOME BUSINESS FEEDBACK, 5:00 PM, JULY 28TH.
[E. Existing Business Update]
THING WE HAVE GOING ON IS WE ARE HOLDING THE[01:00:01]
BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER SERVICES, THE RICHMOND REGION THEY'RE BASED IN HENRICO COUNTY.AND WE HAVE SET UP, UM, HOURS FOR THEM TO COME OUT TO OUR FACILITY WHERE THEY CAN MEET VIGILANT BUSINESSES, MUTUAL BUSINESSES, DON'T TRAVEL AND GO TO GET THESE RESOURCES.
UM, AND THEY HAVE SCHEDULED SIX BUSINESSES TO COME OUT AND MEET.
AND USUALLY THE MEETINGS ARE LIKE AN HOUR OR TWO WITH EACH BUSINESS AND THEY OFFER A WIDE RANGE OF SERVICES.
UM, THEY DO START UP, UM, SERVICES.
THEY DO, UH, LIKE FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS.
UM, THEY ALSO DO HR THINGS AND STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR BUSINESSES.
AND IT'S ALL, MOST OF IT'S FREE SOMETIMES WHEN THEY HAVE TO GET A CPA INVOLVED OR AN ATTORNEY INVOLVED, THERE'S, THERE'S A FEE FOR IT, BUT, UM, MOST OF THEIR SERVICES ARE FREE TO THE BUSINESSES AND CONFIDENTIAL.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD STUFF HAPPENING.
AND THEN I'VE MET WITH FIVE BUSINESSES, UM, HAVE VRE MEETINGS.
UM, MOST OF THEIR CONCERNS ARE STILL AROUND WORKFORCE.
UM, AND SOME OF THEM, I MADE CONNECTIONS TO BE DECKS FOR VIRGINIA GROWN AND FOOD CERTIFICATION.
UM, THERE IS A REALLY COOL, UM, NO, UM, AVIARY, UM, AND THEIR HONEY IS DELICIOUS.
AND SO I WENT OUT AND GOT TO DO A SITE VISIT AND SEE THAT THE HIVES AND, UM, HOW THE HONEY IS MADE AND ALL THAT STUFF DONE.
SO I DIDN'T GET THAT CLOSE TO THE HOUSE, BUT, UM, YEAH, SO THAT WAS REALLY NEAT.
UM, AND WE ARE COORDINATING WITH VIRGINIA CAREER WORKS TO HOLD A JOB FAIR AT AVERY POINT.
SO I WENT OUT THIS MORNING AND GOT A TOUR, THEIR, UM, THEIR CLUBHOUSE, WHICH IS COMPLETELY FINISHED OR JUST FURNITURE TO BE BROUGHT IN, UM, OFF OF WILKES RIDGE PARKWAY THAT SAID CONTINUING CARE, RETIREMENT FACILITIES YEAH.
SO YEAH, THEY HAVE SIX BUILDINGS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THEY ARE READY TO MOVE IN THEIR FIRST RESIDENCE AND, UM, NOVEMBER AND THEY PLAN AND THEY PLAN ON COMPLETELY FILLING UP THEIR FIRST BUILDING, UM, BY JANUARY AND THEN START MOVING IN BUILDINGS AFTER THAT.
UM, SO THEY STILL ARE HAVING A REALLY GOOD POSITIVE RETURN ON THAT.
PEOPLE ARE STILL SIGNED UP AND ARE INTERESTED IN THEIR FACILITY, SO THEY WILL BE HIRING, UM, FRONTLINE STAFF MEMBERS.
SO, UM, DINING, SOME FIRST RESPONDERS, SOME SECURITY, SOME LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE FOLKS.
UM, SO WE'LL BE DOING A LOT OF HIRING OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO, UM, HELP THEM OUT WITH THEIR NEEDS ON THAT.
AND THEN IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO TOURISM.
UM, WE DID ISSUE THE PO TODAY FOR OUR $30,000 ARBITRAGE TOURISM GRANT.
THEY HAVE DONE WORK IN ORANGE COUNTY AND LOUISA AND SEVERAL OTHER LOCALITIES ON SMALL LOCALITIES, VERY SIMILAR TO US LOCALITIES IN VIRGINIA.
AND, UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE USING THAT $30,000 THAT WAS GRANTED FROM THE ARPA FEDERAL FUNDS, UM, TO THE COUNTY.
WE ARE GOING TO DEVELOP A CAMPAIGN FOR MEDIA TARGETS PLAN FOR TRAVEL ITINERARIES.
SO PROBABLY ONE FOR LIKE, WITH A HISTORY FOCUS, ONE FOR LIKE A CRAFT BEVERAGE FOCUS, MAYBE ONE FOR AN OUTDOOR ENTHUSIAST FOCUS.
UM, WE'LL ALSO BE GETTING SOME VIDEO AND PHOTO ASSETS TO BE ABLE TO USE FOR TOURISM AND THEN SOME SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, POSTS FOR, UM, AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
SO HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT YEAR YOU MIGHT HEAR HOUSTON COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE LIKE A TAG AND ALL SORTS OF STUFF, SO IT'LL BE GOOD.
UM, SO WE ARE ISSUED A PO I'M GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THAT VENDOR STARTING IN AUGUST.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF RIGOROUS RULES SURROUNDING THE FEDERAL GRANT MONEY.
SO I HAD TO GET MY MIND WRAPPED AROUND THAT.
UM, AND THE REPORTING AND THE MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT BY JUNE, 2023.
SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I DO IT ALL IN, BUT, UM, I ALSO WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT STAFF DID REQUEST A DEFERRAL FROM THE BOARD FOR THE TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN, BECAUSE WHILE WHEN WE WERE A TWO PERSON SHOP, THOSE, THOSE GOALS
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MIGHT'VE BEEN ACHIEVABLE, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE DOWN TO ONE PERSON AND, UM, AND WE HAVE A DAY CAN SAY, IT'S JUST, WE NEEDED TO EXTEND THOSE, THOSE FULL TIMES A LITTLE BIT.SO WE'LL BE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AND BRINGING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
SO THAT DID NOT GET APPROVED BECAUSE WE DID ASK FOR A DEFERRAL ON THAT.
AND THEN, UM, LASTLY WE HAD OUR MIDWAY SMALL AREAS STUDIES, SO COURTHOUSE AND CENTERVILLE VILLAGE, UM, THOSE MEETINGS WENT REALLY WELL, SOME GREAT FEEDBACK.
AND I WANTED TO JUST SHOW YOU GUYS NOW, IF YOU WERE AT THE MEETING, YOU SAW IT, BUT THIS IS FROM THE REPORT AND WE WILL GET MORE INFORMATION ON THESE, BUT THIS IS, UM, CENTERVILLE LEAKAGE.
UM, HOW MUCH IS BEING LEAKED OUT OF THE COUNTY? NOW THE CALMNESS, IT'S VERY CLEAR TO SAY, DON'T EXPECT TO GET ALL OF THIS.
WE WON'T GET ALL OF THIS, BUT WE, WE CAN CAPTURE SOME OF IT.
IT HELPS ME BE ABLE TO TARGET SOME OF THOSE SMALLER MOM AND POP KIND OF PLACES THAT WE NEED TO BRING INTO CENTERVILLE.
SO RESTAURANTS, BEER, AND WINE STORES, HARDWARE STORES, AND THIS IS MORE LIKE, UM, PLEASANT'S OR ACE, NOT NECESSARILY LOWS, RIGHT? UM, SPECIALTY FOODS AND PHARMACIES AND DRUG STORES.
SO YOU'RE SAYING PEOPLE SPENT FIVE TIMES AS MUCH ON BEER AND WINE AS THEY DO ON SAVING MEDICINE, QUESTIONING AND THEN THIS WAS THE COURTHOUSE LEAKAGE.
SO FOOD AND BEVERAGE, AGAIN, GENERAL MERCHANDISING, RESTAURANTS, HEALTH, PERSONAL CARE, AND THEN, UM, CLOTHING AND ACCESSORY STORES.
SO, UM, SOME VERY HELPFUL INFORMATION I THINK, IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THEIR ANALYSIS.
UM, SO MORE TO COME ON THAT DATE, THE NEXT TAX ON THAT IS THEY TAKE ALL OF OUR FEEDBACK THAT THEY'VE HAD.
UM, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO TWEAK AND ADJUST AND BRING IT BACK AGAIN FOR PRESENTATIONS.
AND IT'LL GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD BEFORE ANY FINAL ADOPTION OF THESE PLANS.
SO, UM, THAT IS ALL, THANK YOU.
[VI. Other Business]
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, ONE THING THAT STICKS OUT IN PARTICULAR ON THIS IS THE USUAL.UH, UH, NO, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE DUCHESNE COUNTY INDUSTRIAL PARK, UH, COVENANTS RESTRICTIONS.
IT DOES SAY IN, UH, THE PLENTY ABILITY UNDER ITEM FIVE THAT THE RULING BODY CAN BASICALLY JUST THAT'S ALL.
BUT SO I, BUT THE QUESTION IS IN IT, AND IT APPEARS THE DROOLING BODY IS ACTUALLY THE IVA.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN JUST DISSOLVE THIS.
AND IN THIS CASE, I'LL SUGGEST THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX ON OIL BILL, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S PARTICULARLY COMPLICATED TO GET OUT OF THAT.
EITHER A MIDPOINT THERE'S NO ISSUE REALLY.
I MEAN, OUR BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE FACT THAT WE STILL OWN LAND THERE AND SOMEBODY ELSE SHOULD HOPEFULLY HELP THEM DEVELOP.
AND YEAH, IN FACT, IT DOES SAY THIS ONE IMPACTED 20 YEARS, 10, 10 AFTER, BUT THE COMPANY BOUGHT IT.
UM, SECOND ITEM FROM ME, MR. CHAIRMAN BACK, UM, WHEN OUR FORMER, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSON WAS HERE, SHE MENTIONED, UM, THAT THERE WAS A FAB PLAN OR SOME TYPE OF CHIP ENTITY.
AND OF COURSE NOW I THINK EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY FAMILIAR IN THE NEWS WHERE IT'S THE CHIP NEW CHIP ACT HAS PASSED THE SENATE.
UM, THE HOUSE LEADERS, HUSBAND, THAT'S ABOUT 22,000 FOR FALLS OR A PARTICULAR CHIP OF FIRM IN THE MARKET ACTUALLY DID THAT A WHILE BACK.
AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE CHIPS EX GONNA GO THROUGH, IS THERE ANY INFORMATION THAT WE CAN OBTAIN FROM THE DEARLY DEPARTED CASEY OR IS THERE, WAS THERE ANY TURNOVER? SO WE, UM, DO YOU AND MR. PETERSON MUST THINK ALIKE BECAUSE ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS AGO HE HAD US BRING THAT TO THE BOARD, A TWO BY TWO, UM, AND CASEY DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AT THE FAB PLANT.
UM, I CAN PULL THAT, UM, AND SARAH CAN, UH, SHARE IT WITH YOU GUYS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I THINK THE ISSUE WAS WE DID NOT
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THE, UM, POWER, WHAT YOU NEED FROM THE POWER COMPANY.AND, UM, SO SHE HAD CONTACTED, UH, POWER COMPANIES AND THEY SAID WITHOUT A PROJECT, THEY WOULD NOT EXTEND IT, BUT THEN THE PROJECTS WILL COME UNLESS IT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO WE WERE SORT OF IN A CATCH 22, BUT WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THAT RESEARCH.
AND WHAT I'M SPECIFICALLY TALKING TO, SHE SAID THERE WAS A OUTFIT, WHICH I BELIEVE, BUT SHE SAID THEY WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO EUROPE WITH THAT.
AND THAT THEY SAID IS THE WHOLE HOLDUP FOR THEM LOOKING HERE WAS A CHIPSET.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROJECT HAS CHANGED.
I CAN FOLLOW UP BECAUSE THAT WAS A STATE LED PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE ALL THE CONTACT INFORMATION.
I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE STATE TO SEE IF THERE'S BEEN ANY MOVEMENT.
YOU KNOW, THAT PLANT, UH, PROJECT THAT SIZE, UH, OR IF ANYTHING WAS IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU, MR. TRUMP GETTING PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN SANTA FE PACKAGES.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, I'LL SUGGEST IT'S NOT AN INCENTIVE PACKAGE THAT KELLY CAN REALLY EVEN ADDRESS IT'S FEDERAL.
AND THAT'S BY THE CHIP BAGS TOTAL BILL RIGHT NOW, 56 MINUS 32.
BUT DEPENDING ON HOW YOU SLICE AND DICE IT, THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE COMMONWEALTH.
THE INTERESTING THING IS A COMMONWEALTH BETWEEN MOTOROLA, WHEN IT WAS COMING IN HERE BACK IN TO GO.
AND, UM, I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE FACILITY OVER IN, IN RECO.
THAT'S NOW A, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHITE, BUT I DON'T SEND MY CONDUCTOR THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE IT WAS JOINT BETWEEN SIEMENS AND SOMEBODY ELSE THAT FORMED THAT CORPORATION.
AND NOW IT'S A DATA CENTER AND YOU'VE GOT MICRON UP THE ROAD AND MICRON HAS ALREADY EXPRESSED THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LANDLOCKED.
THEY WANT THAT BY THAT BALL FIELD THERE UPSET ABOUT THEM.
SO THERE'S, I THINK A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES, AND THIS IS A PHENOMENAL PLACE BECAUSE OF THE WATER ACCESS AND BETWEEN TWO HUGE, UM, UH, UH, LET'S SAY BASELOAD PLANTS, ONE DOWN IN SURREY COUNTY.
ONE OF THEM LISA POWER WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE A PROBLEM, BUT THAT'S, I'M SORRY.
AND SHE'S MY MAKE YOU FOR ENTERTAINING.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN
[VIII. Adjournment: Next Regular Meeting of the Authority is August 17, 2022]
SECOND.