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[I. Call to Order]
CALL TO ORDER THE OCTOBER 4TH, 2:00 PM BUSINESS MEETING OF THE GLAND COUNTY BORDER SUPERVISORS.IT IS INSANE TO ME THAT I'M SAYING OCTOBER ALREADY, BUT HERE WE ARE.
UM, WE ARE GONNA START EVERY MEETING LIKE WE ALWAYS DO, GOING TO THE LORD.
UH, AND WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE PASTOR JAMES DEMER FROM BETHEL UNITED METHODIST CHURCH TO LEAD US.
AND, UM, AFTER THAT, WE WILL HAVE BE LED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY MR. PETERSON.
UH, PLEASE STAND IF YOU'RE ABLE.
[II. Invocation: Pastor James Dettmer, Bethel United Methodist Church]
MAY WE PRAY.LORD OF LOVE, WE COME TO YOU TO ASK YOUR BLESSING.
WE ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON THIS TIME TOGETHER, THAT THE WORK THAT IS DONE HERE AND NOW MAY BE FUELED BY JUSTICE AND LOVE, AND BE PLEASING AND UPLIFTING TO YOU.
WE ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON THIS BOARD, BE WITH THEM, GUIDE THEIR DECISIONS, GIVE THEM DISCERNMENT, PATIENCE, AND UNDERSTANDING.
WE ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON THE PEOPLE OF GLAND COUNTY CARE FOR THEIR NEEDS, BIND THEM TOGETHER IN YOUR LOVE.
WE PRAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME, AMEN.
[III. Pledge of Allegiance]
THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT SUSTAINS WHEN A NATION UNDER GOD INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL.THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING TODAY.
[IV. Chair's Comments]
I AM NOT AN EFFECTIVE ENOUGH COMMUNICATOR OR SPEAKER TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE SENTIMENT THAT THIS BOARD IS FEELING RIGHT NOW WITH THIS EMPTY CHAIR BETWEEN MR. LUMPKINS AND I.UM, IT'S A LOT HARDER THAN I EVER THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.
TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA MISS DON IS A, IS A DRASTIC UNDERSTATEMENT.
I'M BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PLATFORM WHERE I COULD PUBLICLY THANK MR. SHARP FOR EVERYTHING HE'S DONE, NOT JUST ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT IN THE, THE MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT HE HELPED IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HE SERVED, UH, THROUGHOUT HIS, HIS, UH, THROUGH HIS LIFE.
UNTIL YOU HOLD A POSITION LIKE THIS, IT'S KI IT'S REALLY HARD TO UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE EVERYTHING IT ENTAILS.
UH, IT'S REALLY EASY TO PUT YOUR HEART AND YOUR SOUL INTO THIS.
IT CAN, IT CAN REALLY ENCOMPASS ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING.
I WAS REALLY FORTUNATE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM A FEW DAYS BEFORE HE PASSED.
UM, AND WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE WAS GOING THROUGH AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
AND EVEN AS HE WAS GOING THROUGH THAT, HIS MAIN CONCERN, HE KNEW HE HAD A FIGHT.
HE, HE KNEW, HE HAD A REALLY TOUGH FIGHT AHEAD OF HIM, BUT HIS MAIN CONCERN TO ME WAS, NEIL, YOU GOTTA TELL ME IF YOU DON'T THINK I'M BEING EFFECTIVE, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO DESERVE THAT, AND THAT WAS THE KIND OF GUY THAT DON WAS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK HIM, UM, TO THANK HIS FAMILY FOR LET ALLOWING HIM TO SERVE.
IT TAKES A WHOLE FAMILY WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS.
AND I, OUR THOUGHTS AND OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH THEM, AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD A CHANCE IF THEY'D LIKE TO, TO SAY ANYTHING, UM, REGARDING MR. SHARP.
SO, UM, DON ONLY SERVED ON THIS BOARD FOR A COUPLE YEARS, BUT WHEN YOU JOIN A GROUP LIKE THIS WHERE WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER, EVEN THOUGH WE REPRESENT DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTY AND DIFFERENT CONSTITUENTS, WE ALL TRY TO WORK TOGETHER SO THAT WE ARE LOOKING OUT, UH, FOR EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE CONSISTENTLY HEARD ABOUT DON SINCE HIS PASSING.
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THE CITIZENS WHO'VE REACHED OUT TO ME, UH, PARTICULARLY THOSE CONSTITUENTS IN DISTRICT FOUR UNIVERSALLY SAID HOW MUCH THEY APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT HE WAS WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH ANYONE, UH, AND TALK THROUGH ISSUES AND TRIED TO, TRIED TO, UH, BROKER SITUATIONS THAT SUITED EVERYONE AND WAS GOOD FOR EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY.AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS A LOT TO THE KIND OF PERSON THAT HE WAS.
AND HE'S REALLY GONNA BE GREATLY MISSED.
IT'S HARD WHEN YOU LOSE ONE OF A GROUP OF FIVE PEOPLE.
UH, WE GOT TO REALLY KNOW HIM REALLY WELL IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
SO, UM, MY HEART GOES OUT TO HIS WIFE, CAROLYN, AND, AND THEIR FAMILY.
UM, AND WE REALLY ARE GONNA MISS HIM.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR, YOUR EXPRESSED OUR SENTIMENTS VERY WELL.
NEIL, UM, AND, AND SUSAN, YOU SAID THE SAME THING.
DON DON WAS PART OF THE TEAM, AND, UH, I THINK SOMETIMES LOOKING IN OUR REGIONAL EFFORTS, AND WHEN I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, UM, THIS COMMUNITY IS WELL REPRESENTED BY FOLKS.
AND I THINK WE OFTEN HAVE TO PINCH OURSELVES, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, AS DIFFERENT AS WE ARE, THE DIFFERENT CONSTITUENCIES, THE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES WE HAVE, THE DIFFERENT INTERESTS WE REPRESENT, UM, I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO SOMETIMES PINCH OURSELVES AT, AT HOW, HOW WELL, HOW, HOW WE RESPECT ONE ANOTHER.
AND DON WAS A BIG CONTRIBUTOR TO THAT, UM, MUTUAL RESPECT AND, AND THE WORKING SO WELL TOGETHER THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO.
AND, AND I WAS GONNA, UH, YOU, YOU TOUCHED ON IT, NEIL, BUT I, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM A FEW DAYS BEFORE HE PASSED, AND, AND HE DIDN'T MAIL IT IN.
HE WASN'T GONNA LET HIMSELF DO THAT.
HIS BIG CONCERN WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, HE, HE NEEDED TO BE THERE.
AND, AND, UH, AND HE WAS, HE WAS FEELING THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, IF I CAN'T, IF I CAN'T DO WHAT I NEED TO DO, THEN, YOU KNOW, HE JUST WASN'T GONNA TRY TO HANG IN THERE AND STAY IN THE POSITION.
AND I, I THINK WE ALL HAD, CERTAINLY, IT WAS, WAS A SHOCK AT HIS PASSING.
AND, AND IT JUST, IT'S SAT VERY SAD AND, AND STUNNING AND HEARTBREAKING BECAUSE, UH, WE'LL MISS HIM.
AND I KNOW HE, HE WANTED TO BE HERE AND HE SERVED HIS, HIS, UH, THE COUNT COUNTY VERY WELL, AND HE SERVED THIS GROUP SO WELL.
AND AGAIN, UH, SOME SUSAN, I SHARE THE SENTIMENTS TO, TO CAROL AND, AND HIS FAMILY.
UH, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING HIM TO SERVE IN, AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING HIS TIME AND, AND WE WILL MISS HIM DEARLY.
UM, WITH THE PASSING OF SUPERVISOR DON SHARP, UH, THE GUTEN COMMUNITY HAS LOST A TRUE LEADER.
THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS LOST A VALUED COLLEAGUE, AND I PERSONALLY HAVE LOST A DEAR FRIEND.
OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH THE FAMILY AS THEY GO THROUGH THIS VERY DIFFICULT TIME AND PROCESS, THIS LOSS.
BUT I PERSONALLY AM GRATEFUL THAT OUR PAST HAD THE OPPORTUNITY ACROSS IN THIS WORLD.
AND AS WE CELEBRATE HIS LIFE, I WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE CHERISHED MEMORIES OF WORKING TOGETHER WITH SUPERVISOR SHARP.
UM, THE HARD PART ABOUT THIS IS THAT THERE'S INEVITABLE TRUTH ABOUT HUMANITY IN THAT IT'S FINITE, AND WE ARE ALWAYS, WE'RE LEFT WITH A NEW REALITY.
DON'S FAMILY IS DEALING WITH THAT REALITY ON A DAILY BASIS.
WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT REALITY AS A COMMUNITY, AND WE JUST, LIKE, THEY'RE HAVING TO PICK UP AND SOLDIER ON.
UH, WE, WE HAVE TO DO THE SAME, AND WE'VE GOT THE BUSINESS OF THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY IN FRONT OF US, AND WE WILL PICK UP AND WE WILL SO ON.
AND IT'S, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, HE, HE'D PROBABLY YELL AT US WITH A COUPLE FOUR LETTER WORDS IF WE DIDN'T DO IT THAT WAY.
SO, UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, SO WORK IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT.
WE'VE ADVERTISED THE POSITION, UM, TO, UH, FOR US TO APPOINT, UH, THERE'S AN APPLICATION POSTED FOR US TO APPOINT, UM, SOMEONE TO FINISH OUT DON'S TERM IN DISTRICT FOUR, UM, THAT IS ON OUR WEBSITE, AND THEIR APPLICATION IS THERE.
AND TODAY WE WILL, UH, WE ARE REQUIRED TO NOMINATE ANOTHER VICE CHAIR.
UH, DON SERVED, UH, AS VICE CHAIR.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, IN THESE ROLES, TO ME JUST SEEMED LIKE A TITLE HERE OR THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE SPOKE MORE AND WE GOT, AND HE BACKED ME UP
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AND HE ATTEND MEETINGS I COULDN'T ATTEND.AND IT WAS JUST, IT WAS GREAT.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT BOND IS, IS, IS BIG.
SPOKE WITH CAROL AND HIS WIFE TODAY, AND SHE WANTED, SHE'S, SHE, SHE ASKED ME TO REMIND FOLKS OR LET FOLKS KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR, UH, DON SHARP AT OCTOBER 15TH AT 2:00 PM AT RAGLIN MEMORIAL CHURCH.
UM, AND IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT, IT WILL BE LIVE STREAMED ON THEIR YOUTUBE CHANNEL, WHICH IS RAGLIN MEMORIAL, UH, THINK RA MEMORIAL YOUTUBE.
UM, SO WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO, TO ATTEND AND, AND, AND HONOR, UH, SOMEONE WHO GAVE SO MUCH OF HIMSELF.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS DON LOVED DOING WAS BEING IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, HE WAS AT AL ALMOST THE MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T IN HIS DISTRICT.
UH, HE LOVED GETTING OUT WITH PEOPLE.
AND, UH, I KNOW HE'D WANT EVERYONE TO ATTEND THE UPCOMING ZOOM MEETINGS, OR, I'M SORRY, THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS, WHICH WILL BE, UH, LIVE, AND WE WILL BE LIVE, UH, LIVE STREAMING THEM ON ZOOM.
UM, THEY WILL BE THE FIRST ONE FOR DISTRICT ONE WILL BE OCTOBER 13TH AT 6:30 PM AT BIRD ELEMENTARY.
UH, DISTRICTS TWO AND THREE WILL BE ON MONDAY THE 17TH AT SIX 30, UH, RIGHT HERE IN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
AND DISTRICTS FOUR AND FIVE ARE ON WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 26TH AT THE RESIDENCE IN, AT THE NOTCH.
UH, SO WE HOPE THAT YOU COME OUT.
THERE'S, WE WANT TO SHARE WHAT WE, UH, WHAT WE, WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON, HOW WE'VE BEEN SERVING YOU, BUT WE ALSO MORE IMPORTANTLY, WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AND WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE AND, AND HOW WE CAN SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AT THAT, I WILL THAT CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS, UH, MR. ADMINISTRATOR, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, A FEW ITEMS, UH, EVENTS COMING UP.
UH, THIS MONTH WE HAVE, OF COURSE, THIS COMING WEEKEND.
UH, WE HAVE F FEST AT, UH, GUC HUNT HIGH SCHOOL, UH, STARTING SIX O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING.
UM, UM, A GREAT EVENT TO ATTEND.
UH, ALSO, UH, THE COUNTY PARKS AND REC IS HOSTING THE ANNUAL FALL FESTIVAL ON OCTOBER 29TH
[V. County Administrator's Comments]
AT THE GIN SPORTS COMPLEX.UH, IT'S A FAMILY EVENT, UM, COSTUME CONTEST, LIVE MUSIC VENDORS, SO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
AND THEN RIGHT HERE ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 31ST AND THIS BUILDING, UH, WE HOST OUR ANNUAL TRICK OR TREAT, UH, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME IN THEIR COSTUMES, UM, MEET, HAVE SOME FUN INTERACTION WITH COUNTY STAFF, AND THEY CAN SAFELY TRICK OR TREAT FROM DOOR TO DOOR INSIDE THIS BUILDING.
UH, IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION, YOU CAN GO TO THE COUNTY'S PARK AND REC FACEBOOK PAGE OR WEBSITE.
THANK YOU MR. CARPENTER BOARD.
ARE THERE ANY REQUESTED POSTPONE AGENDA ITEMS, ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES
[VI. Requests to Postpone Agenda Items and Additions, Deletions or Changes in the]
IN THE ORDER OF THE PRESENTATION? SEE NONE, I WILL MOVE ON TO OUR CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.UM, THIS IS THE TIME FOR OUR, OUR CITIZENS TO COME AND SPEAK ABOUT ITEMS
[VII. Citizen Comment]
THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA OF THE SEATON.PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND, UH, PLEASE TRY TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
HI, I'M RENEE TOWNSEND, AND, UM, I'M THE NEW DIRECTOR FOR GUCCI LINK CASA.
UM, MY OFFICE IS RIGHT OUT THERE, SO I CAN HEAR YOU ALL.
UM, SO I'M HERE, UH, JESS, OH, AND BY THE WAY, I'M A RESIDENT OF GOODLAND COUNTY, AND, UH, ADDRESS IS, UH, LEE ROAD 66 2 PLEASANT GREEN LO ROAD, CROZER, VIRGINIA.
UM, SO EVERY YEAR OUR PROGRAM, GIN CASA HAS BEEN PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST FUNDING ASSISTANCE FROM GIN COUNTY.
AND EACH YEAR, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, YOU ALL HAS APPROVED OUR APPLICATION FOR FUNDS.
I WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL, UM, FOR THIS YEAR'S CONTRIBUTION AND FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF OUR REQUEST.
UM, WE ARE, AS YOU KNOW, A VOLUNTEER BASED PROGRAM AND ARE SUPPORTED BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN ORDER TO CONTINUE PROVIDING SERVICES.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, GIN, UM, CASA, WE ARE, UM, EMPOWERED BY ADVOCATES WITHIN THE JUVENILE COURT SYSTEM FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF ABUSED AND NEGLECTED CHILDREN, GUIDED BY THE BELIEF THAT EVERY CHILD IS ENTITLED TO A SAFE AND PERMANENT HOME.
UM, I'M CURRENTLY UNDERGOING, UM, UH, TRAINING RIGHT NOW IN HENRICO CASA TO BECOME A CASA MYSELF.
UM, AND ACTUALLY I'M GONNA BE SWORN IN AS A CASA NEXT WEEK.
UM, AND SO IN THIS TRAINING, I'VE LEARNED A LOT.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S KIND OF STUCK WITH, WITH ME, OF COURSE, IS, UM, RESILIENCE.
AND CHILDREN ARE REALLY GOOD AT THAT
AND FROM WHAT THE DICTIONARY SAYS, RESILIENCE IS THE PROCESS AND OUTCOME OF SUCCESSFULLY ADAPTING TO DIFFICULT OR
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CHALLENGING LIFE EXPERIENCES.SO, THE SAME GOES WITH THIS PROGRAM.
UH, GIN CASA HAS EXPERIENCED A LOT OF TRANSITION AND CHALLENGES IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, BUT I PLAN ON WORKING HARD AS I CAN TO WORK WITH THE COURT SYSTEM IN THE COMMUNITY TO HELP THIS PROGRAM CONTINUE GROWING AND ADAPTING TO CHANGE.
SO, UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE GIN CASA BOARD AND MY MENTOR, UM, ANN CASEY, I INTEND ON UTILIZING THE CONTR CONTRIBUTIONS THIS COUNTY HAS PROVIDED RE RESOURCEFULLY AND WITH GOOD STEWARDSHIP.
I, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE BOARD'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO GIN CASA, AND ITS CONTINUED SUPPORT.
THANK YOU TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD JONATHAN LYLE, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
AND, UM, I ALSO WANTED TO EXPRESS MY SENSE OF LOSS WITH MR. SHARP.
UM, HE, UM, HE WAS THE HAPPY SUPERVISOR IN SO MANY WAYS.
I ALWAYS SAW HIM WITH A SMILE AND A TWINKLE IN HIS EYE.
UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE WASN'T SERIOUS, BUT HE APPRECIATED PEOPLE AND HE APPRECIATED THE WORK THAT HE WAS DOING.
UM, HE WAS SOMETIMES SPONSOR ME AT ROTARY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, HE, HE JUST WAS A GENUINE INDIVIDUAL.
UM, AND, AND I FEEL YOUR LOSS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SHARED BEYOND JUST THE BOARD.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THOSE THOUGHTS.
OKAY, SO NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
[VIII. Reports]
REPORT IS BY OUR HR DIRECTOR, SHELITA DYSON, WITH INTRODUCING OUR NEW COUNTY STAFF.GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD, THE SUPERVISORS.
[1. 5492: Introduction of New County Staff]
SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT WITH THE INTRODUCTIONS.WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE A PRESENTATION WHERE WE ACTUALLY TOOK PICTURES OF ALL THE NEW HIRES.
WE'RE GONNA SHOW THE PICTURES.
UM, WE INVITED MOST OF 'EM HERE, SO HOPEFULLY A LOT OF THEM ARE HERE.
BUT IN CASE OF NOT, WE DO HAVE THE PICTURE, SO YOU CAN PUT A NAME, UM, TO THE FACE.
UM, SO TODAY I DO HAVE THE PLEASURE OF DOING THE INTRODUCTIONS.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE 15 INTRODUCTIONS.
SO THAT WAS, WE HAVE BEEN BUSY, AND I DEFINITELY, BEFORE I GET STARTED, I WANNA DEFINITELY THINK, UM, OUR HIRING MANAGERS, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN RESPONSIVE AND WE'RE ABLE TO PUSH THIS THROUGH WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO BRING IN 15 NEW HIRES.
WHAT WAS TWO FOR? UM, AUGUST REMAIN OF, WERE FOR SEPTEMBER, SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UM, AND IN OUR INTRODUCTIONS, I ALSO WANTED TO INCLUDE TWO KEY PROMOTIONS.
WE HAVE SARAH WORLEY, WHO WAS PROMOTED TO DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST.
UM, SHE HAS BEEN WITH THE COUNTIES FOR 17 YEARS AND HAVE PROGRESSED THROUGHOUT HER CAREER IN HER ROLE AS DIRECTOR.
SHE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROGRAM OUTCOMES AND RESULTS IN THE AREA OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO INCLUDE COUNTY TOURISM INITIATIVES, NEW BUSINESS RECRUITMENT, AND EXISTING BUSINESS RETENTION.
AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER KEY, UM, PROMOTION IS KEVIN HATCHER FOR FIRE, WHO WAS PROMOTED TO LIEUTENANT.
UM, HE IS A CAREER MEMBER OF GLAND COUNTY FIRE RESCUE FOR NINE YEARS, AND PREVIOUSLY VOLUNTEERED FOR FIVE YEARS WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION.
AND I DID FORGET TO SAY, IF YOU HERE, PLEASE STAND WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME.
UM, NEXT WEEK FOR ANIMAL PROTECTION, WE HAVE AANA PAIGE JOINT ANIMAL PROTECTION AS A PART-TIME SHELTER ATTENDANT.
UM, IS PAIGE TRANSFERRED FROM PARKS AND RECREATION, WHERE SHE WAS SERVED AS A RECREATION AID, ALSO WITH ANIMAL CONTROL PROTECTION.
LORI ELLIOT, JOINT ANIMAL PROTECTION ON SEPTEMBER 9TH AS A PART-TIME VETERINARIAN.
ELLIOT IS THE OWNER OF SHADY GROVE ANIMAL CLINIC, WHERE SHE SERVES AS A VETERINARIAN.
ELLIOT WILL PROVIDE DIAGNOSTIC AND PREVENTIVE VETERINARY CARE SERVICES TO ANIMALS HOUSE AND GOIN ANIMAL PROTECTION.
NEXT, WE HAVE HANNAH ZACH KOWSKI.
ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, SHE JOINED THE CIVIL ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL INSPECTOR.
ONE, HANNAH COMES TO GLAND COUNTY FROM HENRICO, WHERE SHE SERVED AS AN ENGINEERING TECHNICIAN, ONE FOR FACILITY MAINTENANCE.
WE HAVE MR. DENNIS ECHO, JOINED FACILITY MAINTENANCE ON AUGUST 29TH AS A PART-TIME CUSTODIAN.
UM, DENNIS RETIRED IN 2020 AS A CERTIFIED BRICK LAYER FOR FIRE AND RESCUE.
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WE HAVE FIVE FIRE RECRUITS.WE HAVE RICHARD ALBRIGHT, COMBINED GRANT, HENRY MATTHEWS, JACOB SEABERT, CHRISTOPHER TINSLEY.
OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, THIS GROUP WILL PARTICIPATE IN THE FIRE TRAIN ACADEMY TO GAIN THEIR CERTIFICATION AS A FIREFIGHTER.
JUSTIN HALL JOINED FIRE AND RESCUE ON AUGUST 1ST.
JUSTIN FORMALLY SERVED AS A VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER FOR GIN COUNTY.
KATHY UBA JOINED FIRE AND RESCUE ON SEPTEMBER 1ST AS A BUSINESS MANAGER.
MS. UBANK SERVED 40 YEARS, HAS 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN PUBLIC SAFETY.
SHE HELD POSITIONS SUCH AS COMMUNICATION OFFICER, SUPERVISOR, EMT PARAMEDIC, TRAINING COORDINATOR, AND OFFICE MANAGER.
CURRENTLY, SHE SERVES AS A VOLUNTEER FOR MANCHESTER FIRE AND RESCUE SQUAD.
IN HER ROLE AS BUSINESS MANAGER, SHE WILL MANAGE THE FINANCIAL RECORD KEEPING AND PURCHASING FUNCTIONS OF THE DEPARTMENT FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.
WE HAVE THOMAS RALLY JOIN PARKS AND RECREATION ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2022 AS A GROUNDSKEEPER ONE.
MR. RILEY COMES TO GIN COUNTY SEEKING A DIFFERENT CAREER OPPORTUNITY.
ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, HARVEY FERGUSON JOINED PARKS AND RECREATION AS A GROUNDSKEEPER ONE.
MR. FERGUSON COMES TO GIN AS A RETIRED NUCLEAR SPECIALIST FOR DOMINION ENERGY, WHERE HE SERVED 42 YEARS.
I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO ASSISTS IN THE PROCESS OF ONBOARDING 15 NEW HIRES AND WELCOME EVERYONE TO WELCOME.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UM, OUR UPDATE AND REPORT FROM VDOT.
[2. 5502: VDOT - October 2022]
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. CARPENTER MARSHALL WYN WITH VDO.UH, THIS PAST MONTH WE HAD 117 WORK ORDERS COMPLETED.
111 HAD FOUR CALL OUTS THROUGH THE MONTH.
THEIR SECOND CYCLE, A SECONDARY MO, HAS BEEN COMPLETED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
UH, REGULAR ITEMS THAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH MONTHLY PATCHING, UH, PIPE REPLACEMENT, DITCH DITCHING, UH, SHOULDER REPAIR, AND LITTER PICKUP.
UM, PRETTY MUCH A EVERYDAY THING FOR US OUT IN THE FIELD FOR MY FIELD FORCES AND EVERYTHING.
UM, THERE'S ONE THING ON THE, UH, LAST PAGE ABOUT WHITE HALL ROAD.
WERE SCHEDULED TO PUT THE PERMANENT MARGINS OUT YESTERDAY, BUT IT RAINED, SO THAT'S BEEN DELAYED A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
UM, ONCE A ROAD GETS WET, YOU HAVE TO WAIT 48 HOURS BEFORE THEY CAN PUT THE PERMANENT MARGINS DOWN.
I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO, UH, OFFER.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
MR. KINS, UM, ON THE FAIR GROUND ROAD EXTENSION PROJECT DELAY DUE TO INSUFFICIENT FUNDING, PROJECT L AAP ADMINISTERED, WHAT DOES L AAP STAND FOR? LOCALLY ADMINISTERED PROJECT.
JUST TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE ACRONYM ACRONYMS. OKAY.
I THINK YOU GOT OFF EASY THIS MONTH.
NEXT UP WE HAVE OUR FIRE AND RESCUE REPORT, AND I SEE CHIEF FERGUSON IN THE
[3. 5491: Fire-Rescue Report]
AUDIENCE.SO, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
EDDIE FERGUSON, FIRE RESCUE CHIEF.
UM, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY SAYING IN ECHOING YOUR OTHER REMARKS, UM, KUSON COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF FIRE RESCUE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES EXTENDS OUR DEEPEST AND MOST SINCERE CON TO THE HONORABLE DONNY SHARP, DISTRICT FOUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FAMILY.
WE APPRECIATED MR. SHARP SERVICE, UH, NOT ONLY WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WITH GUC ROTARY, AND ALL THE OTHER CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS, UH, AND HIS SUPPORT AND PRESENCE WILL BE DEARLY MISSED AND NEVER FORGOTTEN.
WE HAD PROVIDED THE, UH, THE REGULAR FIRE RESCUE REPORT, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT, UH, AS NORMAL, WE'LL UPDATE ON A FEW THINGS THAT MAY HAVE OCCURRED, UH, SINCE THEN, OR WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO HIGHLIGHT.
I'LL START OFF BY SAYING, UM, THAT OCTOBER THE NINTH THROUGH THE 15TH IS, UH, NATIONAL FIRE PREVENTION WEEK.
UM, AND THIS YEAR'S, UM, THEME IS FIRE WON'T WAIT, PLAN YOUR ESCAPE.
AND YOU HAVE HEARD US SAY MANY TIMES BEFORE, UH, THAT TODAY'S HOMES BURN A LOT FASTER AND A LOT HOTTER.
THE FURNISHINGS IN THEM INCLUDED MORE TOXIC SMOKE THAN WHAT WE EXPERIENCED, UM, YEARS BEFORE.
AND WE HAD ALWAYS SAID THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, UH, LITERALLY
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TWO TO THREE TO FOUR MINUTES TO GET OUT OF A HOUSE FIRE TODAY BECAUSE OF THE WAY FIRES BEHAVE IN THE HOME.AND SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, UH, IN THIS YEAR'S, UH, THEME FOR FIRE PREVENTION WEEK.
PLAN YOUR ESCAPE IS A VERY, VERY FITTING, UH, SLOGAN TO GO ALONG TO PROMOTE FIRE PREVENTION WEEK.
UH, CERTAINLY, UM, WE'LL BE IN THE SCHOOLS, UH, CONDUCTING PUBLIC, UH, EDUCATION PROGRAMS. UM, AND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON FIRE PREVENTION WEEK.
IT'S, IT COMES ABOUT AS A RESULT OF THE GREAT CHICAGO FIRE IN 1871, WHERE MS. URS, UH, COW, UH, ACTUALLY, UM, POSSIBLY, UH, KICKED OVER A LANTERN AND STARTED A, A HUGE FIRE IN CHICAGO AND THIS WEEK COMMEMORATES, UH, THAT AS WELL AS ALL OF THE, UM, THE, THE HOMES AND PEOPLE THAT WERE KILLED AND SO FORTH, AND THE, THE GREAT CHICAGO FIRE.
UH, JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS A, A WORKING SMOKE ALARM.
IF, UH, IF ANYONE NEEDS A FREE SMOKE ALARM, WE'D BE HAPPY TO COME AND PROVIDE ONE AT NO COST.
AND CERTAINLY, UM, THEY SHOULD BE ON EVERY LEVEL OF YOUR HOME NEAR THE SLEEPING AREAS.
EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST TWO WAYS OUT OF THEIR HOME.
AND IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO PRACTICE, UH, HOME ESCAPE DRILLS WITH YOUR FAMILY, PARTICULARLY IF YOU HAVE SMALL CHILDREN, BUT JUST AS IMPORTANT FOR ADULTS SO THAT WE ALWAYS, UM, HAVE A MEETING SPOT.
ONE OTHER THING TO MENTION TO YOU ALL, UH, THAT ISN'T IN THE REPORT IS, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF MIKE WATKINS WAS RECENTLY RECOGNIZED WITH A REGIONAL EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES AWARD.
CHIEF WATKINS WAS RECOGNIZED BY THE OLD DOMINION EMERGENCY SERVICE ALLIANCE WITH THE OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTION TO EMS FOR CHILDREN.
UM, CHIEF WATKINS, UH, IS A REGIONAL AWARD WINNER, AND HE WILL GO ON TO COMPETE AGAINST 10 OTHER REGIONAL AWARD WINNERS ACROSS THE STATE FOR THE GOVERNOR'S AWARD IN THE SAME CATEGORY THAT WILL BE ANNOUNCED IN NOVEMBER AT THE VIRGINIA EMS SYMPOSIUM, UH, IN NORFOLK.
UH, SO WE, WE KNOW HE'S A STRONG CONTENDER FOR THAT GOVERNOR'S AWARD, AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, IN ADDITION TO, UH, HIS DUTIES AS DEPUTY FIRE RESCUE CHIEF CHIEF WATKINS IS A PARAMEDIC.
HE TEACHES ABOUT EVERY EMS CLASS UNDER THE SUN, AND HE WORKS, UM, IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AT VCU MEDICAL CENTER, AND MANY TIMES IS IN CHARGE OF THE PEDIATRIC ER.
UH, SO THE AWARD IS, UH, VERY FITTING FOR HIM.
AGAIN, IT'S, UH, OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTION TO EMS FOR CHILDREN.
CONGRATULATIONS, CHIEF WATKINS.
JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, HER THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ALSO GO OUT TO THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITIZENS OF FLORIDA AND SOUTH CAROLINA AND OTHERS, UP AND DOWN THE EAST COAST FOR HURRICANE IAN.
UH, THANKFULLY AND FORTUNATELY, UH, THE STORM WAS, UH, VERY RELATIVELY MINOR FOR, FOR AIR JURISDICTION, AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, UH, SERIOUS DAMAGE, UH, AS A RESULT OF IT.
FIRE RESCUE, UH, AS MR. CARPENTER HAD ALLUDED TO, IS GEARING UP FOR THIS, UH, WEEKEND FOR SOME FESTIVITIES.
UH, WE ARE BRINGING BACK OUR FIRE RESCUE SHOW.
UH, THE FIRE RESCUE SHOW IS PLANNED FOR SATURDAY EVENING AT GOLAND HIGH SCHOOL.
WE HAVE AN EVENING OF, UH, FIRE RESCUE DEMONSTRATIONS.
WE HAVE EXHIBITORS, WE HAVE FOOD TRUCKS.
UM, AND WE ALSO, UM, HAVE DOOR PRIZES THAT ARE RELATED, UH, SAFETY RELATED DOOR PRIZES.
UH, THERE'S A CHILDREN'S RODEO AND THERE'S A FIRE PREVENTION POSTER CONTEST THAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN ALL THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
AND WE PICKED ALL THESE POSTERS UP, UH, THIS MORNING, SO, AND YESTERDAY.
SO WE, WE HOPE THAT CITIZENS WILL JOIN US FOR THAT.
IT'S, UH, SATURDAY EVENING FROM SIX TO NINE IN THE BACK PARKING LOT OF GLAND HIGH SCHOOL.
JUST WANT TO THANK GLAND COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND ALL THE OTHERS WHO'VE HELPED US MAKE THAT, UH, POSSIBLE.
FIRE RESCUE IS DEFINITELY EXCITED.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT ALL THE NEW EMPLOYEES THAT, UH, WERE INTRODUCED JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO.
UM, WE HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST, UH, FIRE TRAINING ACADEMIES THAT WE'VE HAD IN RECENT YEARS GOING ON.
UH, IT IS NOT JUST A CAREER ACADEMY, IT'S A COMBINATION ACADEMY THAT IS COMPOSED OF THOSE CAREER MEMBERS WHO WERE INTRODUCED AS WELL AS, UH, VOLUNTEER MEMBERS.
AND THEY'RE 14, UH, STUDENTS OR FIREFIGHTER FIREFIGHTERS IN, IN THAT, UH, ACADEMY.
AND SO THAT IS ACTUALLY, UH, GOING ON AND TAKING PLACE AT THE, THE HENLEY FIRE RESCUE TRAINING CENTER.
SO THAT IS REALLY, UH, REALLY GOOD TO SEE, UH, THAT MUCH ENTHUSIASM AND EXCITEMENT TO JOIN.
UH, FIRE RESCUE, UH, STATION OF RENOVATION ARE COMING ALONG.
UH, COMPANY ONE IS, IS WELL UNDERWAY.
IN FACT, UH, MAYBE THE END OF OCTOBER, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT COMPLETION OF COMPANY ONE, THE INTERIOR RENOVATION.
AND THE OTHER ONE THAT IS VERY NOTICEABLE IS, UH, FIRE STATION FOUR AND FIFE.
UH, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WAS, UH, PRETTY MUCH TAKEN DOWN AND EXTENDED OUT, AND WE'LL END UP WITH, UH, TWO LARGER, WIDER, AND TALLER BAY DOORS THAN THE FOUR SMALLER BAY DOORS THAT WERE THERE PREVIOUSLY, WHICH WILL ACCOMMODATE THE LARGER FIRE RESCUE APPARATUS THAT, UH, IS ASSIGNED THERE TO COMPANY FOUR.
UH, THAT THE DOORS ARE SUPPOSED TO GO UP THERE UP, THINK ON OCTOBER THE 19TH.
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AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, GET ALL THAT, ALL THAT EQUIPMENT AND SO FORTH BACK UNDER ROOF.UH, COUPLE THINGS, UH, JUST, WE ALWAYS, UM, MAKE THE, THE PLEA FOR VOLUNTEERS.
UM, WE CERTAINLY, UM, TAKE VOLUNTEER APPLICATIONS YEAR ROUND, AND IF THERE'S, UH, ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING, IT'S A VERY REWARDING AND CHALLENGING EXPERIENCE AT THE SAME TIME.
AND TRAINING IS PROVIDED, UH, AT, AT NO COST.
AND SO WE'D BE, UH, HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANYONE'S APPLICATION IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THEY COULD, UH, SEE US.
AND THEN I'LL JUST END, UH, MY COMMENTS ON THE SAME THING I SAID EARLIER, AND THAT IS, UH, WE HAVE FREE SMOKE ALARMS AVAILABLE.
JUST GIVE US A CALL AND WE'LL MAKE ONE AVAILABLE TO ANY RESIDENT OR NEIGHBOR OR ANYONE THAT, UH, THAT NEEDS ONE.
AND WITH THAT, UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
MS. LUKINS, NO QUESTIONS ABOUT COMMENT.
I, I SAID EARLIER ABOUT MR. SHARP, HOW HE'S, HE'S ONE OF THE MANY REASONS IN GIN THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO PINCH OURSELVES.
LIKE, ARE WE REALLY IN SUCH A SPECIAL PLACE AND IS IT REAL? AND, AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, YOUR DEPARTMENT AND, AND WHAT YOU DESCRIBED WITH CHIEF WATKINS, THAT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE.
AND THANK YOU CHIEF WATKINS, FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, I'M VERY IMPRESSED IN, AND I WISH YOU WELL IN, IN THE NEXT STEP OF IT, AWARD PROCESS.
UM, THERE WAS A CALL IN, IN, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD A COUPLE NIGHTS AGO, AND IT WENT ON MY OFF OF MY ACTIVE ALERT.
SO I TURNED THE PAGER ON, UH, AN AUTO ACCIDENT WITH SOME INJURIES.
IN THE OTHER END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
AND, UM, I WAS SO IMPRESSED WITH THE RESPONSE TIME, AND OF COURSE, I LISTENED TO THE RADIO TRAFFIC AND THE, AND THE, THE SWIFTNESS OF RESCUE GETTING THERE.
AND I COULD TELL, YOU KNOW, THE NEED WAS SIGNIFICANT.
AND, AND THEY GOT ON THE ROAD AND, AND TRANSPORTED THE PERSON TO VCU.
JUST AGAIN, THE RESPONSE TIME WAS DELIGHTFUL AND ENCOURAGING.
AND, AND I KNOW Y'ALL DO THAT, Y'ALL DO THAT EVERY DAY, 24 7.
AND I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR IT.
WELL, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS, AND I CERTAINLY WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE PART OF THAT SAME TEAM BECAUSE YOUR SUPPORT AND THE WAY THAT YOU, UH, EMPOWER US TO DO GOOD THINGS AND THE, THE GREAT SKILL THAT WE HAVE FROM OUR WOMEN AND MEN, BOTH VOLUNTEERING CAREER WHO ARE ON THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, UH, MAKE ALL THAT POSSIBLE.
AND THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK THAT STOOD UP, THAT, WELCOME TO GLAND, YOU'RE, YOU'RE JOINING A GOOD DEPARTMENT AND, AND THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP.
OKAY, ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MUCH.
BOARD, YOU HAVE, UH, NEXT TWO REPORTS ARE IN YOUR PACKET WITH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY AND THE ACCOUNT'S PAYABLE
[4. 5489: Planning and Development Activity]
FOR SEPTEMBER FROM THE TREASURER.UH, AND NOW'S THE TIME FOR US.
IF YOU HAVE, WE CAN GO THROUGH OUR INDIVIDUAL BOARD, THE SEAT, MR. LUMPKINS, I GUESS IT'S CHAIR LUMPKINS WITH THE R TPO CHOMPING AT THE BIT.
NOT, I THINK THERE'S NO POINT IN US REPEATING.
UH, I THINK THE LAST, I'M TRYING TO KEEP STRAIGHT WHICH MEETINGS OR WHEN, CUZ THESE HAPPENED SO CLOSE.
I DON'T, SOMETIMES THEY HAPPEN AFTER THIS MEETING, BEFORE THIS MEETING.
BUT CERTAINLY, I THINK JUST TIE IT INTO THE CBTA A COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, GIN'S, UH, GIN'S EFFORT ON THE SMART SCALE.
WE, WE GOT THAT MOVING FORWARD.
UM, I DON'T THINK, I THINK ALREADY SPOKE TO LAST MONTH'S MEETING WHERE THERE WAS SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
WE MEET THIS THURSDAY, UM, AND, UH, REALLY NOT SO MUCH FOR THIS GROUP, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, WE, WE DID, UH, CHUCK PARSONS, DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AND, AND KEVIN CAR, WHO IS CHAIR OF THE C VTA, THE THREE OF US WENT TO OUR NEW LOCATION, UM, IN MANCHESTER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE JAMES RIVER IN MANCHESTER.
AND WHERE THE, THE BUILD OUT FOR THIS LOCATION WHERE IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW'S PLAN RVA, CVT A, UM, AND, AND THE TPO THE PROJECT IS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, SO WE SHOULD BE IN THERE BY JANUARY ON TIME.
LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THE, YOU KNOW, THE REGIONAL COMMISSION STAFF WORKING THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA SHARE THAT WITH, WITH THE TPO MEETING THIS THURSDAY.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING MS. LAS GOOD, IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA OF GLAND SPECIFIC? I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING'S ON OUR, ON THIS THURSDAY'S AGENDA THAT'S GLAND SPECIFIC.
UH, I'M COUNTING ON YOU TO TALK ABOUT CVT A CAUSE WE, OH, I WILL.
WE'RE, WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION AND, AND THE FOLKS WITH THE MONEY OVER AT CVT A WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WE WORKING TOGETHER ON,
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ON REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION.UM, I WILL GIVE A, UH, A REPORT ON THE CBTA.
SO, AS YOU KNOW, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, AND I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE PROJECT, ROCKY, THAT, UM, HAS REQUIRED A, A CHANGE TO THE, THE PROPOSED, UH, SOLUTION OF A SINGLE LANE, DIVERGENT DIAMOND TO A DOUBLE LANE DIVERGENT DIAMOND, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, TRYING TO, TO, TO NAVIGATE, HUH? TRANSPORTATION.
UM, TRYING TO LIGHTEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT NEAR Y'S, UM, WE HAVE A, WE HAD A SOLUTION OF TAKING A PROJECT THAT WAS, UH, AWARDED TO US, UH, ADDING AN AUXILIARY LANE TO 2 88 NORTH, UH, NORTHBOUND LANE.
AND, UH, MOVING THOSE FUNDS TO THE, THE ASHLAND ROAD PROJECT.
THE ASHLAND ROAD PROJECT WENT FROM A COMPLETELY FUNDED 16.8 MILLION PROJECT TO A 68 UN UNFUNDED PROJECT, 68 MILLION UNFUNDED PROJECT.
SO, JUST, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP THERE.
SO, UM, THET, WHICH IS THE, THE GROUP OF FOLKS THAT DO THE TECH, THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THEY, THEY'RE THE, THE FOLKS THAT DO THE TRANSPORTATION WORK, RUN THE NUMBERS.
UH, THEY DID NOT SUPPORT, UH, THE REALLOCATION OF THE FUNDS AND VOTED FOR TWO AGAINST, UH, TRANSFERRING THOSE FUNDS AND KICKED IT UP TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE FOR THE CBT A, THE CBT, A FINANCE COMMITTEE, CHOSE NOT TO TAKE IT TO A VOTE, UH, AND TO LET IT COME TO THE, UH, FULL COMMITTEE.
UM, AND LAST FRIDAY, THE FULL COMMITTEE DID VOTE IN FAVOR OF US BEING ABLE TO TRANSFER THOSE FUNDS.
SO THAT WILL HELP US TREMENDOUSLY, UH, WITH A MORE, UH, FAVORABLE APPLICATION FOR SMART SCALE.
SO WE'LL BE BRINGING 35 MILLION TO THE TABLE AS GUCCI COUNTY, ALL OF WHICH WAS AWARDED THROUGH THE CBTA.
SO THROUGH THE LOCAL TAXES, UH, OR THROUGH THE FUNDS REGIONAL ACTUALLY THAT WERE COLLECTED FROM THE, UM, GAS TAX AND SALES TAX.
UH, AND THAT WILL HELP THAT APPLICATION, WHICH WE SHOULD KNOW IN MARCH OR SO, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE ARE AWARDED THOSE FUNDS.
AND THEN, THEN THE, THEN THE CHALLENGE WILL BE TO BRING THAT PROJECT IN AS CLOSE TO, UH, THE, AND GET THAT BUILT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT IT CAN SUPPORT, UH, PROJECT ROCKY IF THAT CONTINUES TO GO FORWARD.
SO A LOT OF, UH, GOOD WORK THERE, A LOT OF GOOD REGIONAL COOPERATION, UH, OCCURRED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN CUZ THERE WERE COUNTIES THAT DID NOT WANT THAT AUXILIARY LANE TO GO AWAY BECAUSE IT WAS MORE BENEFICIAL TO THEM THAN OUR PROJECT.
SO, UH, VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE TO THE, OUR J OUR PARTNER JURISDICTIONS, UM, IN THIS, IN THE REGION.
SO, UH, GOOD WORK BOARD, UH, CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, I WOULD ASK MR. CARPENTER,
[IX. Consent Agenda]
GO THROUGH EACH ITEM AND AT THE END I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TAKE AND TAKE THEM AS A GROUP OR IF ANYBODY WANTS TO PULL ANY ITEMS OUT INDIVIDUALLY.BUT AT THIS POINT, MR. CARPENTER, IF YOU CAN REVIEW THE ITEMS FOR US AS CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
WE HAVE TODAY'S SEVEN ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THE FIRST ITEM IS A REQUEST TO REFER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND AMENDMENT TO OUR ZONING ORDINANCES.
UH, THIS, UH, REQUEST TO AMEND REFERS TO THE, UM, LIMITED MEAT PROCESSING FACILITIES THAT IF APPROVED, WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE BUILT IN, UH, GENERAL A ONE AND M TWO DISTRICTS.
UH, THE SECOND ITEM IS A REQUEST TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOVEMBER 1ST TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A BOUNDARY LINE AGREEMENT BETWEEN GOLAND COUNTY AND LUISA COUNTIES.
THE THIRD ITEM IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS AN AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE A NEW PROJECT, A SERVICE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA WASTE MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY AND GLAND COUNTY.
UH, THIS WOULD BE A 10 YEAR TERM EXTENSION AND GUCCI COUNTY IS ONE OF FOUR COUNTIES THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
THE NEXT ITEM IS A RESOLUTION REQUESTING VDOT TO ACCEPT THE ROAD IN LEAKS MILL PARK INTO THE SECONDARY SYSTEM OF STATE HIGHWAYS FROM MAINTENANCE.
UH, THE FIFTH ITEM IN FRONT OF YOU IS A RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 GUCCI COUNTY BUDGET BY APPROPRIATE AN ADDITIONAL $119,827 IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC UTILITIES CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FUND, AND ALLOWING ME TO EXECUTE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT OF AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, SEWER CAPACITY, UH, BETWEEN GUC AND COURTHOUSE AND THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION, UH, UTILIZES EXISTING FUNDS ALSO.
NUMBER SIX, RESOLUTION THAT WOULD AMEND THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 COUNTY BUDGET BY TRANSFERRING 241,100 WITHIN THE COUNTY GENERAL FUND FOR VARIOUS DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET NEEDS.
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UH, THOSE SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ANIMAL CONTROL AND PARKS AND REC.AND THE FINAL ITEM IS A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD AMEND THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 GUCCI COUNTY BUDGET BY APPROPRIATING $100,000 IN THE SCHOOL CAFETERIA FUND.
AND THESE ARE FEDERAL FUNDS AND THOSE ARE THE ITEMS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.
ANY QUESTIONS? MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVED THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS PRESENTED.
MS. LASETTE, ANY DISCUSSION? ANY QUESTIONS? RIGHT.
IF IT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, THERE WAS SEVEN ITEMS. I'M SURE EVERYBODY PAID ATTENTION AND, UH, BUT AS I READ THROUGH THIS, THERE'S NO INCREASE IN THE OVERALL LOCAL DOLLARS BUDGET.
WE'RE TRANSFERRING SOME FUNDS, WE'RE PASSING THROUGH SOME GRANT MONIES, BUT THERE'S NO NET OVERALL INCREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES.
THOSE ARE ALL INTERNAL TRANSFERS OR EXTERNAL FUNDS.
NONE OF THEM WOULD RESULT IN ANY INCREASE IN LOCAL TAX DOLLARS.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE CAN DO A VOICE WORD ON THIS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE LEAVE IN FAVOR OF SAYING AYE.
CONSENT AGENDA CARRIES AS PRESENTED.
[X. New Business]
ARE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE WE NEED TO ELECT A VICE CHAIR, UH, FOR THE, UH, REMAINDER OF THE 2022 TERM.[1. 5499: Resolution Electing 2022 Vice-Chair of the Board of Supervisors to fill]
UH, I NOMINATE JOHN LUMPKINS AS VICE CHAIR FOR THE, FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE 2022 TERM.UM, ANY DISCUSSION? THANK YOU FOR NOT MAKING ME RESET ME THAT MOTION.
ALL RIGHT, ALL COULD YOU DO REAL CALL ROLL CLUB VOTE.
THANK YOU MR. LUMPKINS FOR FILLING THAT IMPORTANT SEAT.
AND NOW WE ARE MOVING INTO OUR PRESENTATION WITH MR. RAY CASH.
[2. 5498: Presentation and Request to initiate and refer to the Planning Commission a]
WANT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SONY, OR, ALL RIGHT.I MEAN, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'M MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, MR. CARPENTER.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE BOARD HAD ASKED STAFF TO LOOK INTO SOMETIME AGO TO DEVELOP.
UM, WE'RE REALLY TO EVALUATE HOW WE SEE SOLAR IN THE COUNTY TO PUT FORWARD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, POTENTIALLY A POLICY OR ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UM, REGARDING THIS, UM, TOPIC THAT'S REALLY A BIG MOVER, UM, ESPECIALLY IN RURAL LOCALITIES LIKE US, BUT ALSO IN OUR REGION.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO TODAY IS I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH A LOT OF TOPICS.
I'LL MOVE AS QUICKLY AS I CAN.
UM, I ALSO LIKE TO HEAR THE BOARD'S FEEDBACK AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO DISCUSS AS YOU REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO BE COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER, UM, IN REGARDS TO THIS TOPIC.
UM, SO REALLY THIS IS SORT OF THE LAYOUT OF THE AGENDA TODAY.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT AN OVERLAY OF WHAT THIS OVERVIEW OF THE STATE PROVIDES FOR OUR EXISTING REGULATION, SOME NEW POLICY AND ORDINANCE PROPOSALS, AND THEN A REQUEST ULTIMATELY FOR YOU TO SET A POLICY AND ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UM, AND INITIATE THAT REFERRED TO THE COMMISSION.
AND THAT'S UP PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET.
SO THE STATE HAS A LOT OF, UM, DIFFERENT STANDARDS, DIFFERENT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, BOTH IN THEIR ORDINANCE AND THEN ALSO IN THEIR, IN THE STATE CODE RATHER, AND ALSO IN DIFFERENT POLICIES.
UM, REGARDING SOLAR, THERE'S VIRGINIA ENERGY PLAN, WHICH IS THE ALL ENCOMPASSING, IT DOESN'T JUST NECESSARILY FOCUS ON, UM, SOLAR OR OTHER CLEAN ENERGY.
THERE IS THE COMMONWEALTH CLEAN ENERGY POLICY, WHICH GUIDES A LOT, UM, OF WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN OUR ORDINANCES FOR SOLAR OR HOW WE SHOULD ADDRESS SOLAR.
UM, DOES HAVE MANDATES THAT WE DO HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR BUY RIGHT SOLAR, AND THAT'S REALLY THE ONES THAT SOLAR PANELS ON YOUR HOUSE OR USED FOR YOUR SPECIFIC ON SITE USES.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AION THAT YOU CAN ALLOW FOR BY RIGHT SOLAR AS A SURPLUS FOR CERTAIN FARM USES.
UM, UNDERLINE HERE IS REALLY THE LOCAL AUTHORITY AND CITING OF SOLAR OR ENERGY, UM, STORAGE PROJECTS AND OUR LOCAL AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE ZONING ACTION.
UM, THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE DERIVE BASICALLY OUR ABILITY FOR THE POLICY AND ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WE BRING FORWARD TODAY.
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POLICY.UM, THIS, THE COMMONWEALTH CLEAN ENERGY POLICY.
THIS IS WHAT'S REALLY DRIVING THE INFLUX OF SOLAR IN THE REGION.
UM, ALSO ENERGY STORAGE POLICY.
UM, PROJECTS ARE REALLY STARTING TO COME ONLINE MORE.
THEY'RE BECOMING, UM, A LOT MORE, UM, RESEARCH THAT, I MEAN, UM, OPPORTUNITIES BEING SOUGHT BY, UM, THE LARGE POWER PRODUCERS OR POWERED, UM, COMPANIES WITHIN THE, THE STATE.
UM, THERE IS THE TARGET OF REACHING ZERO EMISSIONS IN ALL SECTORS OF THE ECONOMY, NOT JUST, UM, POWER BY 2045 RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES BY 30, 30% BY 2030, AND A HUNDRED PERCENT BY 2040.
UM, GOOD PARTS OF THAT IS ARE ALSO PROVISIONS ABOUT, UM, ENSURE SECURITY OF THE GRID, UM, BY SUPPORTING DISTRIBUTED ENERGY AND PROJECTS AND STORAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TOWARDS THIS CLEAN ENERGY, THE GRID SHOULD BE, UM, ABLE TO HANDLE IT, UM, AND PROVIDE POWER DURING TIMES OF LACK OF SUNLIGHT OR OTHER TYPES OF, UM, NATURAL, UH, OCCURRENCES.
UM, THE POLICY, UM, PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO LOCALITY.
IT'S NOT INTENDED TO AMEND OR REPEAL OR OVERRIDE, UM, LAWS THAT WE HAVE.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE DO TAKE ACTION IN REGARDS TO A, UM, ENERGY ISSUES, WE SHALL BE, UM, ACT APPROPRIATELY OR CONSISTENT WITH, UM, WITH THE POLICY PROPOSES.
UM, FOR OUR LO WHAT'S OUR ROLE IN THIS, IN THIS, UM, POLICY, UM, IS REALLY THAT WE BE CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY, UH, THE, UM, CLEAN ENERGY POLICY, BUT ALSO WE CAN PROVIDE REASONABLE CRITERIA IN THE SIDING OF THE FACILITIES THAT PROTECT THE COUNTY.
UM, WE SHOULD ALSO, UM, BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SIGHTING PROVISIONS THAT INCLUDE, UH, LIMITING NOISE OR REQUIRING BUFFER SETBACKS AND IMPORTANT, UM, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THESE NEW EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES, A DECOMMISSIONING, UH, PROCEDURE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND ANY MEASURES THAT WE DO ADOPT IN OUR ORDINANCES OR POLICY SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR OTHER LOCAL ORDINANCES.
SO WHAT WE, WHAT DO WE HAVE IN GLAND CURRENTLY, AS I SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE WHAT THE STATE CODE PROVIDES THAT, UM, WE MUST, UH, PROVIDE FOR.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE YOU'RE PROVIDING ONSITE ENERGY.
YOU DON'T, YOUR FACILITY THAT'S PROVIDED COULD BE THE SOLAR POWERS, UH, PANELS ON YOUR HOUSE.
COULD BE, UM, SOLAR PANELS RELATED TO A SCHOOL USE OR WHATEVER.
UM, THE SYSTEM SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO PROVIDE FOR THE ONSITE POWER, UM, SHOULDN'T BE DESIGNED TO PRODUCE MORE THAN WHAT'S NECESSARY FOR YOUR FACILITY.
UM, WE DO HAVE REQUIREMENTS REGARDING, UH, SETBACKS, UM, AND COMPLIANCE WITH HISTORIC OR DESIGN DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND TYPICALLY IT'S JUST, UH, SOLAR PANELS ON A PERSON'S HOUSE.
UM, THEY'RE BECOMING MORE AND MORE FREQUENT OF COURSE IN THE USE.
UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING ALSO IS MORE EMERGING OF THAT WITHIN, UH, DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES AS WELL.
WE HAVE ALSO IN OUR ORDINANCE, WHAT WE'RE CALLING, WE CALL SOLAR ENERGY FARM OR A SOLAR FARM, UM, WHICH IS OF COURSE A TERM I THINK THAT DRIVES A LOT OF PEOPLE CRAZY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GROWING THE SUN, WE'RE NOT GROWING THE SOLAR PANELS OUTTA THE GROUND.
WHILE THEY MIGHT LOOK LIKE IT IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, BUT WE DO ALREADY PROVIDE FOR THAT AS A C P AND OUR ORDINANCE AS A A, UH, CONDITIONAL USE.
AND THE A ONE, WE DO HAVE ONE EXISTING ALREADY IN THE COUNTY.
SO I THINK EVERYONE'S SEEN THIS.
UM, I MYSELF OVER THE YEARS, HAVE BEEN TO DIFFERENT TOURS OF DIFFERENT SOLAR FACILITIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, THIS SCALE, UM, OF THESE, UM, THINGS, THIS IN PARTICULAR ONES THAT HAVE THE ROTATING PANELS THAT WILL ACTUALLY FOLLOW THE SUN, SUN DURING THE DAY.
UM, THERE'S UH, SORT OF AN OVERALL SKY VIEW OF THOSE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS FACILITY WAS MORE NEW.
YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE THE, THE GRASS HASN'T REALLY RESTORED THERE.
UM, DEMANDING ENERGY FACILITY IN NEW KENT.
UM, THAT ONE HAS BEEN ALONG FOR A COUPLE YEARS, UM, BUT IT'S PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE OF, UM, MAYBE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN DIFFERENT TYPE OF ASPECTS.
SO AS WE TALK ABOUT PROPOSALS TODAY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, FIRST OFF IS TO EXPAND THE SOLAR ENERGY FACILITY ACCESSORY, UM, AS WE'RE GONNA DEFINE THAT, WHICH CURRENTLY IS THE PANEL, UM, DEFINITION, BUT AS A BY RIGHT USE.
UM, ALSO PROVIDE A SOLAR ENERGY FACILITY SUPPLEMENTARY AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE SOLAR ENERGY FACILITY PRINCIPLE, WHICH WOULD BE THE FORMALLY WHAT WE CALL OR REFERRED TO AS SOLAR FARM.
AND THEN NEW ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THAT'LL BE THE MORE BATTERY STORAGE PROGRAMS THAT COULD COME ONLINE.
AND THEN TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE POLICY AND THE PROCESS.
SO FIRST OFF, WE'RE GONNA REDEFINE THE USE THAT CURRENTLY IS KNOWN AS, UM, SOLAR PANEL OR STRUCTURE TO FOCUS THAT IT'S REALLY AN ACCESSORY USE FOR A BUILDING, UM, OR A USE OR SOME TYPE OF USE.
AND IT'S FOCUSED ON ONSITE CONSUMPTION.
SO REALLY THAT'S A REDEFINITION OF EXISTING USE.
WHAT OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR IS ALSO THE PROVISION THAT A, THAT ALLOWS ADDITIONAL
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ENERGY PRODUCTION FOR FARMS UNDER CERTAIN PROVISIONS WITH THE STATE.UM, SO WE'RE GONNA ADD THAT TO THE ORDINANCE AND REALLY YOU PRODUCE ABOUT 150% MORE OF THEIR ANNUAL ENERGY CONSUMPTION FOR THE SITE BASED UPON THEIR PREVIOUS YEAR.
IT'S NOT INTENDED THAT BY RIGHT, THAT FARM GETS TO CONVERT TO A FORMER SOLAR FARM OR SOLAR ENERGY PRODUCER, BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.
IT ALSO LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT SHE'S USED ON THE, THE, THE OPERATING OR OPERATIONAL FARM TO 25%.
THE NEXT IS TO REALLY TALK ABOUT SOLAR ENERGY FACILITY SUPPLEMENTARY.
I WILL SAY ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE COMMONWEALTH, UM, CLEAN ENERGY POLICY IS TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO REUSE EXISTING DEVELOPED SITES, UM, OR TO ENCOURAGE COULD, UM, UH, CO-PRODUCTION OF ENERGY WITH, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO WHAT WE PROPOSE HERE IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT WILL BE FOCUSED MORE IN OUR INDUSTRIAL AND WANT M TWO ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND THE INTENT IS THAT YOU ALLOW THE PRODUCTION THAT THEY NORMALLY CAN HAVE BY RIGHT OF SOLAR ENERGY FOR THEIR OWN CONSUMPTION, BUT ENCOURAGE THE, THE USE OF ROOFTOPS EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE PRINCIPAL USE.
UM, AND THEN ALLOW THE ABILITY FOR SOME SOLAR ARRAYS OR WHATEVER ON THE SITE TO ACTUALLY PRODUCE ADDITIONAL ENERGY, UM, FOR, UM, SALE, UM, INTO, INTO THE GRID.
UM, REALLY TO FOCUS ON THIS IS THAT YOU WOULD, IT HAS TO BE LOCATED ON A SITE WITH A PERMITTED USE.
THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE UTILIZED FOR THE SOLAR PRODUCTION WOULD BE, UM, EXISTING PRINCIPLE BUILDINGS OR RELATED TO THE PRIMARY USE.
OTHERS WE DON'T WANT ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES JUST BUILT FOR SOLAR.
UM, IT ALSO INCLUDES REQUIREMENTS, UM, SIMILAR LIKE WE DO WITH THE ACCESSORY SOLAR ROOM, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER IN THE SOLAR POLICY.
UM, WHAT WE LOOK AT HERE, AND I'LL SORT OF WALK YOU THROUGH AN EXAMPLE HERE IS WE HAVE AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL USER, 25 ACRES.
I MADE THE NUMBERS SIMPLE SO I COULD DIVIDE BY 10.
UM, BUT THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUESTS IS THEY SEEK TO USE THAT ROOFTOP SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR PRINCIPAL MANUFACTURER BUILDING AND PROPOSE SOME FREESTANDING SOLAR ARRAY TO GENERATE POWER FOR SALE.
UM, SO IF WE DO THE CONSIDERATION FOR THIS, UM, FOCUS ON 10% OF THEIR LAND CAN BE UTILIZED FOR SOLAR PRODUCTION, WHAT WE WOULD NOT COUNT AGAINST THEM IS THE ROOFTOP THAT THEY'RE UTILIZING IF IT'S A PRINCIPLE USE.
SO THE IDEA IF YOU HAVE, UM, LARGE BUILDINGS, UH, LET'S SAY IF SOMEONE GRACES WITH A MILLION SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON THIS SITE, THEN WE WOULD BA BASICALLY SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF.
IF IT'S A PRINCIPLE USE WOULD NOT COUNT AGAINST THE 10%.
THE 10% WOULD REALLY GO TOWARDS THE FREESTANDING SOLAR ARRAY.
UH, THE NEXT IS THE RESEARCH OF OF SOLAR ENERGY FACILITY PRINCIPLE.
NOW THIS IS TYPICALLY THE UTILITY SCALE, LARGE SOLAR PROJECTS.
UM, WE WANTED TO REDEFINE THIS USE, UM, TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR OF WHAT'S OCCURRING HERE.
UM, AND ALSO TO ESTABLISH THIS AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE A ONE DISTRICT AGAIN, UM, WITH A POLICY THAT'S GONNA GO ALONG WITH THAT THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT PROVIDES GUIDANCE REGARDING CITING AND LOCATION.
UM, AND THE POLICY WOULD RECOMMEND STANDARD CONDITIONS FOR THE USE.
SO I'LL WALK THROUGH THE POLICY AND I ENCOURAGE THIS AS A FIRST OPPORTUNITY WE'VE HAD TO SORT OF BE COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER.
UM, IF THERE'S, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE A QUESTION WE CAN BRING 'EM NOW OR TALK ABOUT 'EM AT THE END ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, OTHER LOCALITIES RECENTLY HAVE ADOPTED OTHER ORDINANCES.
UM, AS STAFF HAVE RESEARCHED THIS POLICY, I'VE RESEARCHED ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY AND STATE, UM, FOR DIFFERENT STANDARDS, UM, DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM DIFFERENT, UM, INDUSTRY EXPERTS, UM, AS WELL AS LEGAL EXPERTS, UM, TO CREATE THIS POLICY HERE, WHICH WE FEEL LIKE, UM, STAFF PUT FORWARD REALLY AS WE FEEL LIKE IT WAS COMFORTABLE FOR GIN WITH THE BOARD'S GUIDANCE.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO JUST SORT OF HIGH LEVEL SHARE SOME OF THE DETAILS OF IT.
UM, FIRST OFF, IN THIS POLICY WE'RE GONNA CALL IT THE SOLAR ENERGY FACILITY AND ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY POLICY.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA RELATED TO THINGS LIKE LOCATIONS, SCALES, SIZE, AND THEN STANDARD CONDITIONS WE EXPECT WITH THE ZONING APPLICATION.
SO FIRST OFF IS THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT'D BE LOCATED ONLY IN AN A ONE PROPERTY AND OUR RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREAS.
PART OF THE REASONING FOR THAT IS REALLY IT'S IN PART THE AVAILABILITY OF LAND.
IT'S ALSO LESS LIKELY TO HAVE CONFLICT WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENT OR CONFLICT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS.
FOR INSTANCE, TO BE LOCATED ON INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.
IT REALLY TAKES AWAY, UM, SOME OF OUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR JOBS AND OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT A STANDARD OF TWO MILES BETWEEN EACH OF THESE, UM, SOLAR ENERGY FACILITIES.
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UM, WE WANT TO LIMIT THE CLUSTERING OF THESE AND SO MUCH LAND IS TAKEN AT ONE TIME FOR LARGER FACILITIES OR NEIGHBORING FACILITIES.WE ALSO WANT TO PRESERVE THE RURAL AREAS AND THE VIEW SHEDS, UM, OF WESTERN PART OF OUR COUNTY AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, DRIVING DOWN GLAND HIGHWAYS AND THE STANDARDS ARE NOT SEEING JUST, UH, MILE AFTER MILE SOLAR FACILITIES OR SOLAR ARRAYS POINTING TOWARDS THE ROAD.
WE'VE ALSO PROPOSED SOME ADDITIONAL LOCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SOME LOCALITIES MAY PROPOSE THIS.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING THAT FOR LOCATIONAL, FOR LOCATION OF THE SOLAR, UM, FACILITY TO BE LOCATED ON AREA LIMITED TO CONTIGUOUS SITE BETWEEN 30 AND 1000 ACRES.
SO A LOT OF ORDINANCES FOCUS ON THE MEGAWATT PRODUCTION, UM, THAT COMES OUT FROM THAT.
NOW THAT COULD VARY IN ITS SIZE.
A MEGAWATT PRODUCTION COULD VARY WILDLY AND THAT, CUZ THAT COULD DEPEND ON TYPES OF PANELS, HOW THEY'RE UTILIZED.
ALSO YOU CAN HAVE LAND THAT'S TAKEN UP WITH, UM, WETLANDS, OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES, SLOPES OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO WHAT WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON IS WHAT THE LAND WAS TAKEN, UM, OR UTILIZED FOR THIS.
SO AS A BOARD, AS A STAFF, WE COULD EVALUATE WHAT IS THE IMPACT IN THAT CASE.
UM, IT ALSO DOES HAVING THIS NUMBER SORT OF ALLOWS THE FLEXIBILITY TO LANDOWNERS PRESERVE ACTIVE FARMING LAND AND PROVIDE FOR SMALL BY LAND FOR SMALLER SOLAR SITES.
UM, OF COURSE WE WILL RECEIVE ALL SORTS OF APPLICATIONS I'M SURE OVER THE YEARS FOR A DIFFERENT SIZE FACILITIES.
AND OF COURSE THE POLICY DOES HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY, THE BOARD DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, OF SIZE, SMALLER, BIGGER, WHAT HAVE YOU.
UH, THE MAIN THING IS OUR ORDINANCE DIDN'T REALLY WANNA COME FORWARD IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM.
YOU CAN BE NO BIGGER THAN 150 MEGAWATTS OR YOU BE NO LESS THAN 150 OR WHATEVER STANDARD PEOPLE WERE PUTTING FORWARD.
UH, THE POLICY WOULD ALSO, WE ASKED FOR GENERAL SITE EVALUATION.
IT'S LLOYD WETLANDS, UM, THAT GIVE US AN APPLICATION THAT REALLY DETAILS YOUR PROJECT AND ALSO PROVIDE AN IMPORTANT REALLY FOR GINS.
NO MORE THAN 20% OF THE AREAS USED BY THE FACILITY CAN INCLUDE PRIME AGRICULTURAL LANDS OR LANDS OF STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE.
UM, WE REALLY CONSIDERATION AND IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING OUR SOILS FOR THE FARMING AND AGRICULTURAL USES IN OUR AREA.
UM, WE ALREADY HAVE A MAP, UM, FOR THAT.
WE ALSO, THIS DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURAL, UM, AND THE STATEWIDE IS ALSO WORKING TO UPDATE THOSE MAPS FOR THE DIRECTION OF THE STATE AS GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THESE POLICIES AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD COME FORWARD WITH A ZONING APPLICATION.
UH, WHAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER IS SORT OF GENERAL GUIDANCE THAT STAFF WOULD PROVIDE WITH PROVIDE FOR AN APPLICANT.
THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT WE EXPECT TO COME FORWARD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE.
THEY CAN ASK FOR EXCEPTIONS THROUGH THAT PO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
CUZ AGAIN, IT'S A ZONING PROCESS, BUT WE WANTED PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GLAND'S.
UM, GENERAL EXPECTATIONS WE COULD DEVIATE OR MODIFY TO MATCH THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF A SITE.
UM, FIRST OFF, WE WANT THEM TO COMPLY WITH OUR PLANET DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER USE.
UM, THERE COULD ALSO BE A SIGHTING AGREEMENT ESTABLISHED WITH THE BOARD AND WITH THE COUNTY, UM, WHICH WILL TALK ABOUT AT THE END SETBACKS.
THE REASON I LISTED SPECIFIC ON THOSE IS BECAUSE WE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER LOCALITIES AS FAR AS OUR SETBACKS.
UM, WE'RE FOCUSED ON 150 FOOT SETBACK FROM PROPERTY A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE ROAD AND ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED FEET FROM WETLAND STREAMS, ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVE FEATURES.
AND THAT REALLY PROMOTES THE PROTECTION, UM, OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES AND ADDITIONAL SETBACK OF 25 FEET FROM ANY REQUIRED BUFFER.
NOW, I WOULD NOTE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE BUFFERS EQUAL TO THE SETBACKS THAT ARE LIFTED, LISTED UP THERE.
AND WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IN THIS ORDINANCE IS A REALLY MORE INTENSE BUFFER THAN OUR STANDARD DOUBLE ROW EVERGREENS OR WHATEVER WE'VE SEEN.
WE WANT THESE TO BE THRIVING, VIBRANT, UM, MORE LIKE A NATURAL FOREST TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT THAT OVER TIME THE HARDWOODS WOULD GROW, THE OTHER UNDERGROWTH WOULD COME IN THERE.
SO THEY REALLY ARE GOOD, UM, PROTECTIVE SCREENS.
UM, BUT ALSO THE 25 FOOT, UM, SETBACK OFF OF THAT REQUIRED BUFFER IS TO SORT OF DISCOURAGE LIMING, WHICH WE WOULD NOT ALLOW ON THE ORDINANCE WITHOUT PERMISSION OR OTHER ACTIVITY THAT, UM, BASICALLY AS THE THE FOREST GROWS UP, THE TENDENCY IS THEY WANT TO GO CUT DOWN THE TREES, DISCOURAGE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DISCOURAGE WHAT, UM, CUT DOWN, CUTTING DOWN THE TREES OR LIMING OF THE TREES OVER TIME FOR THE SOLAR PANEL, RIGHT? UM, WE WANT THESE BUFFERS TO BE VIBRANT TO BASICALLY, UM, PRESERVE SOIL, OTHER TYPE OF ACTIVITIES, BUT ALSO PROVIDE WHAT WE WANT AESTHETICALLY WITHIN THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO SHELTER ADJACENT PROPERTIES FROM THE IMPACT.
UM, OTHER STANDARD CONDITIONS WE HAVE IS LIKE SCREENING, UM, HEIGHT LIMITATION AND 20 FEET.
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FOR A WILDLIFE HABITAT FRIENDLY DESIGN.THERE ARE CERTAIN PROGRAMS OUT THERE IN THE STATE NOW, UM, POLLINATOR PROGRAMS AND LIKE, WE HAVEN'T PROPOSED A REQUIREMENT TO COMPLY WITH THOSE IN THE ORDINANCE.
UM, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE PROPER GROUND COVER THAT MATCHES OUR AREA, SHOULD ENCOURAGE POLLINATORS AND THE GROUND.
THIS HELPS SAVE THE SOIL, BUT ALSO IT WAS GOOD FOR THE, UM, HABITAT, UH, WILDLIFE FRIENDLY FENCE DESIGN SO THAT YOU'RE REALLY CLUSTERING THE, THE PANELS LEAVING OPEN PASSAGES FOR WILDLIFE, UM, TO MOVE THROUGH THE SITE.
SOMETHING THAT'S NEW FOR US AT THIS TIME IS ALSO TALKING ABOUT LIMITING THE DISTURBED AREA FOR THESE PROJECTS.
WHAT YOU SEE FREQUENTLY FOR THESE TYPE OF LARGE SCALE OR SOLAR FACILITIES IS A LOT OF LAND CLEARING IN A QUICK FASHION.
UM, SO WHAT YOU DO IS OF COURSE YOU LEAD THE SOIL EXPOSED LEADS TO EROSION PROBLEMS OR OTHER THINGS.
WE'VE ALL SEEN VIDEOS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, WITH THIS, WE'VE ALSO SEEN IT IN OTHER AREAS, BUT WHAT STAFF'S PROPOSING IS THAT WE LIMIT DISTURBANCE TO A HUNDRED ACRES UNTIL, UM, BASICALLY THEY'LL GET IT STABILIZED AND THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD.
WE'LL LOOK AT THAT THROUGH THE PHASING PLANS AS WE GO THROUGH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OR LAND DISTURBANCE PROCESS.
ALSO BECAUSE DEPENDING ON THE SCALE OF THESE PROJECTS, THESE TRY TO MOVE QUICKLY.
WE'RE A SMALL, HAVE A SMALL ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF.
UM, IT MAY BE GOOD THAT WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIRD, THIRD PARTY SUPERVISION AND REPORTS IN THAT MATTER.
IT WOULDN'T BE OUR FIRST CHOICE, BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, THAT COULD COME ABOUT.
AND THEN LASTLY IS TO TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION AND DECOMMISSIONING ACTIVITY.
WE WANNA LIMIT THE HOURS, UM, IN PARTICULAR THE PILE DRIVING TO MAKE SURE, UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT IN, YOU KNOW, EFFECT.
AND ESPECIALLY IN THESE ARE RURAL AREAS WHERE YOU DON'T EXPECT TO HEAR CONTINUAL INDUSTRIAL HAMMERING, UH, 24 HOURS A DAY.
UH, OTHER THINGS REALLY RELATE ABOUT THE DESIGN.
WE ALSO WANNA HAVE, UH, DOCUMENTATION OF THE, UH, POWER AGREEMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS POWER IS BEING UTILIZED, THEY'RE OPERATIONAL.
UM, WE'VE ADDED RESTRICTION ON, UH, STEEP SLOPES, UM, REALLY TO, IN PART FOR SOIL PRESERVATION OF THAT, UM, USE OF BIO GRADABLE SOLVENTS FOR CLEANING TO EFFECT THIS REDUNDANT FACT OF WATER QUALITY AND LIMIT THE ONSITE LIGHTING FOR SECURITY.
AGAIN, THESE USER SHOULD BE PASSIVE USES THAT REALLY BLEND INTO THEIR ENVIRONMENT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A LOT OF, UM, CARRY A LOT OF NUISANCE FACTOR INTO OUR RURAL COMMUNITY.
DECOMMISSIONING, UM, I THINK IS ONE OF THE, THE LARGEST TOPICS THAT, UM, ANY LOCALITY NEEDS TO CONSIDER.
THESE SOLAR ENERGY FACILITIES OR SOLAR FARMS AND A LOT OF WAYS ARE STILL NEW USES.
UM, THEY HAVEN'T REALLY, A LOT OF THEM HAVEN'T REACHED THEIR LIFE, ESPECIALLY THE ONES IN VIRGINIA THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.
SO WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS, UM, PUT IN CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE A, UH, A DECOMMISSIONING PLAN THAT COMES FORWARD WITH THE P D.
WE HAVE CERTAIN CONDITIONS WE CAN PUT IN THERE.
WE'RE REFERRING TO BASICALLY A NATURAL CONDITION, WHICH MEANS BASICALLY YOU GET ALL YOUR EQUIPMENT OUT THERE, YOU RESTORE THE SOIL TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, OR SOME OTHER APPROVED, UM, PLAN THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR COULD BE A CONDITION.
AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THE BOARD THINKS, OH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ACTUALLY PROVIDED A ROLE WITH THAT, A ROAD WITH THAT SOLAR FACILITY OR AN ACCESS ROAD.
WE'D LIKE THAT TO STAY FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE'S DIFFERENT NEGOTIATIONS WE COULD DO.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE PROTECTION FEATURES THAT WERE PLACED BEFORE, UM, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SOLAR FACILITY STAY IN PLACE, THAT'S PART OF PROTECTING FUTURE RUNOFF AND OTHER TYPE THINGS.
UM, IF YOU START SUDDENLY YOU HAVE THIS AREA THAT'S SORT OF GOING BACK TO NATURE, BUT YOU'VE DONE ALL THESE DIFFERENT SLOPE CHANGES AND THE LIKE, AND YOU REMOVE ALL THE EROSION PROTECTION CONTROLS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT COULD LEAD TO, UH, BIG PROBLEMS. UM, WE ALSO DON'T WANT, UH, THESE TO BE THE SOLAR PANELS THEMSELVES TO BE DISTURB TOO DISPOSED OF OR RECYCLING IN GIN.
WE DO WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE KEY FACTORS OF THIS IS THAT IT'S A CHANGING EMERGING TECHNOLOGY.
THE STORAGE TO RECYCLING AND DISPOSAL OF THESE IS ALSO AN EMERGING, UM, PROBLEM AND AN EMERGING TECHNOLOGY.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
UM, OTHER EVER INCREASING CONSTRUCTION COSTS OR DEMOLITION COSTS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAN PROVIDES A SURETY THAT COVERS THE COST OF THE COMMISSION, BUT WE ALSO WANT THAT UPDATED EVERY THREE YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALWAYS KEEPING UP WITH THE ABILITY.
SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN, THE OPERATOR OR COMPANY OWNER, UM, HAS TO ABANDON.
WE WILL HAVE THE FUNDS TO ADDRESS THE CLEANUP, UM, A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS.
WE CONSIDER WE ARE PROPOSED CONSIDERING FACILITY ABANDONED AT SIX MONTHS, UM,
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WITHOUT POWER DISTRIBUTION.THEY CAN COME BACK AND TELL US THE REASONING.
LET'S SAY THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, THEIR OFF PROVIDER HAS HAD SOME PROBLEMS. THERE'S SOME OTHER TECHNICAL ISSUE.
BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT THESE TO DO IS WHEN THESE THINGS ARE DONE OR UTILIZED, WE WANT THEM TO START BEING CLEANED UP RESTORED TO WHAT, UM, WE SEE THE FUTURE LAND USES OR, SO THE NE LAST BIG ITEM IS ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GROWING.
UM, A LARGE FACILITIES, UM, WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S OPERATIONAL YET, BUT, UM, IS COMING ABOUT IN, UH, 2 88 MIDOLATHIAN AREA OF, OF CHESTERFIELD.
UM, THERE'S ANOTHER FACILITY THAT WAS JUST DONE WITH THE SOLAR FARM AND, WELL, I'M SORRY I SAID IT.
SOLAR ENERGY FACILITY AND PTAN.
UM, AND REALLY THESE COULD ALSO BE LOCATED GENERALLY ANYWHERE.
UM, SO BASICALLY THE IDEA IS THAT YOU'RE STORING THE ENERGY THAT'S PRODUCED COULD BE STRAIGHT COMING FROM THE TRANSMISSION LINES OR AT THE TIME AT A SOLAR FACILITY.
UM, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS ALLOW FOR THESE USES, BUT WE'D EXPECT THAT TO BE DONE THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE.
UM, WE'VE PROPOSED, UH, THE USE IN A ONE, A TWO, M ONE AND M TWO.
UM, WE ALSO REQUIRED SETBACKS, BUFFER SCREENING.
WE ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHO OWNS THESE FACILITIES.
UM, THIS IS A USE THAT MAY COME FORWARD WITH A SOLAR APPLICATION AS WELL, SOLAR FACILITY APPLICATION.
WE CONSIDER BOTH THOSE CONDITIONAL USE, UH, TOGETHER.
UM, BUT THEY COULD COME ABOUT SEPARATE.
THEY DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO GO HAND IN HAND.
SO THOSE FACILITIES IS GENERALLY WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS A, A PICTURE FOR THE WEB.
I TRY TO GET SOME MORE, UM, UH, EXAMPLES FROM DOMINION, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL GET SOME BETTER SCALES THAN THE MOST RECENT ONES.
BUT GENERALLY THEY'RE A SIZE OF A SHIPPING CONTAINER, UM, WITH OTHER RELATED TYPE OF EQUIPMENT OF TRANSMISSIONS.
SO BASICALLY THESE, THEY ABSORB IT.
INTENTION IS, THAT GOES UP INTO THE LINES THAT COULD GO DIRECTLY BACK INTO THE DISTRIBUTION GRID.
AND THEN LASTLY, TALK ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT THE STATE CODE UNUSUALLY ALLOWS FOR, UM, VIRGINIA LOCALITIES IS TO ACTUALLY DO A SIGHTING AGREEMENT.
UM, APPLICANT ISN'T, HAS TO COME IN, IN FORM US OF THEIR, THEIR INTENT TO LOCATE, MEET, DISCUSS, AND NEGOTIATE WITH THE COUNTY.
WE COULD WORK ON DIFFERENT TERMS. UM, THE ORDINANCE, THE STATE CODE PROVIDE CERTAIN THINGS, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY LIMITED IN CERTAIN WAYS.
UM, YOU SHOULD LOOK FOR WAYS THE SITE CAN MITIGATE ITS IMPACTS, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO WITH LAND USE.
BUT WHAT'S UNIQUE WITH THIS PROVISION UNDER STATE CODE IS WE COULD ALSO LOOK FINANCIAL COMPENSATION TO ADDRESS CAPITAL NEEDS IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
UM, AND ALSO PROVIDE FOR THINGS LIKE BROADBAND EXPANSION.
UM, WHEN WE DO THESE SITE AGREEMENTS, UM, WE CAN ENTER INTO A BINDING AGREEMENT.
THE, THIS BODY WOULD ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT.
IT WOULD BE BONDING TO FUTURE BOARDS AS WELL.
UM, THE BOARD WOULD PROVIDE A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, IT ALSO BASICALLY PROVIDES A SUBSTANTIAL COURT OPTION.
THE, ALSO, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE SITE AGREEMENT IS IT DOES NOT SUPPLANT OUR OTHER LAND USER ZONING AUTHORITY.
SO EVEN IF WE DO REACH A SITE AGREEMENT WITH AN APPLICANT, WE WOULD STILL GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS.
UM, ALTHOUGH IF WE CAN'T REACH A NEGOTIATION, UM, WE CAN'T REACH AN AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT THE SITE AGREEMENT IS, WE CAN CONSIDER THAT INTERACTION ON THE CU BUT WE CAN'T SAY THAT'S OUR ONLY REASON FOR DENIAL.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IN OUR ZONING CASES.
OUR, UM, AND HOW WE, UM, DEVELOP THESE CASES AND APPLICATIONS AS THEY COME FORWARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
I THINK WE'VE MET AT DIFFERENT TIMES INDIVIDUALLY, UM, TO SORT OF DEVELOP AND SHAPE THIS POLICY.
UM, IF THE BOARD DOES FEEL THAT IT'S READY, UM, WE WOULD LIKE THAT YOU ASK THAT YOU INITIATE AND REFER TO THE COMMISSION, UM, BOTH THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE BOARD WOULD LIKELY WANNA RECEIVE INPUT AS WELL ON THE POLICY, POTENTIALLY FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PURPOSE OF TODAY WAS REALLY TO PROVIDE SORT OF GO OVER WHERE WE ARE.
UM, BUT ALSO STAFF WOULD, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK, UM, FROM THE BOARD AS WELL.
AND MAYBE YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS CERTAIN THINGS, UM, AMONGST YOURSELF.
UM, STAFF'S HAPPY TO BRING UP TOPICS IF YOU NEED THEM.
UH, BUT, UH, I WOULD, I'M REALLY, REALLY EAGER TO HEAR BACK FROM YOU, MR. CASH.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE FOR GUIDANCE REGARDING SOLAR, BOTH FROM OUR LOCAL CONSTITUENTS AND THEN FROM OUTSIDE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN COMING TO GOLAND FOR SOLAR? UM, IT'S, IT'S, I GUESS IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IT'S, IT'S HIGH.
UM, WE KNOW, I THINK EACH OF US HAS BEEN APPROACHED, UM, OVER TIME,
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UH, FOR DIFFERENT SOLAR OPPORTUNITIES IN GLAND TALKING TO MY REGIONAL, UM, PEERS.UM, THEY'RE RECEIVING INQUIRIES EVERY DAY, UM, FOR THOSE AND AT A VARIETY OF SCALES.
UM, YOU COULD HAVE THE ONES, THE FIVE MEGAWATT VERSION, WHICH COULD BE THE 30, 35, 40 ACRES IS REALLY POPULAR AS FAR AS THAT CUZ THERE'S CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT CAN GET IN DIFFERENT INCENTIVES THAT CAN COME IN WITH THOSE.
UM, WE ALSO KNOW OUR NEIGHBOR AND LOCALITY, FOR INSTANCE.
LOUISA HAS HAD A HUGE INFLUX OF THOSE.
UM, I THINK THEY HAVE LIKE 5,600 ACRES ALREADY APPROVED IN SOLAR.
UM, UH, SO I WILL SAY DRIVEN BY THE STATE POLICY, UM, THE INTEREST IS OUT THERE AND IT'S BRINGING COMPANIES FROM ALL OVER.
YOUR, YOUR BEST GUESS THOUGH, IS THAT MORE GIN RESIDENTS OR CITIZENS WANTING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR LAND? OR IS IT MORE INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE COMING IN? I, I WOULD SAY THE, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD HAVE BEEN FOCUSED MORE IN PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE.
HOWEVER, I HAVE SPOKEN TO CITIZENS HERE IN GOODLAND THAT INTEREST THAT THEY SEE IT AS A WAY TO PERHAPS UTILIZE AND PRESERVE THEIR LAND IF THEY CAN, UM, SORT OF DO AN OFFSET, UH, FOR A SMALL FACILITY AND STILL PRESERVE THEIR GREATER LAND AREAS.
JUST, AND JUST ONE MORE COMMENT AND I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD.
UM, I AM ECSTATIC THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SOLAR APPLICATION SITTING IN FRONT OF US THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON.
SO PROACTIVITY IS SOMETHING YOU DON'T OFTEN SEE IN A LOT OF GOVERNMENT.
AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE DOING THIS NOW WHERE WE CAN BE THOUGHTFUL AND THINK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE WANT THIS TO BE AND THAT WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE REALLY WANT FOR GIN AND FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR THE LAND.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR BEING PROACTIVE IN GETTING OUT AHEAD OF IT.
LET'S MAKE SOME SAUSAGE MOTION SHAKING.
WELL, I MEAN, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A DIVIDE IN THE COMMUNITY.
SOME ARE GONNA BE FORM ENTIRELY, BUT SOMEWHERE IS IN BETWEEN.
IT'S PROBABLY BETTER FOR US TO TRY AND REGULATE 'EM, UH, IN MY OPINION AND TRY TO FIND SOME KIND OF A MIDDLE, MIDDLE GROUND HERE.
I KNOW THAT, UM, SURROUNDING COUNTIES HAVE A LOT OF SOLAR FACILITIES EITHER IN THE WORKS OR ALREADY CONSTRUCTED.
I THINK WE HAVE TO JUST LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE OUTLINED HERE.
THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT TO THINK ABOUT HERE.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO US.
IT'S A PRETTY MASSIVE PROJECT HERE.
BUT I, I WOULD LIKE US TO GO FORWARD.
LET'S BRING THIS OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION, LET'S TALK ABOUT ALL THE DETAILS AND SEE IF WE CAN CRAFT SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FAVORABLE TO GOODLAND COUNTY.
UM, SO I'D BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, SO I, SO I MOVE, UM, THAT THIS, UM, UH, RESOLUTION SOMEBODY ELSE TO FIGURE OUT.
THIS BECOMES THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PROBLEM.
HOW WOULD THINK THAT COMMISSION PLAN COMMISSION RIGHT.
REFER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION.
I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
AND I, AND I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS, PLEASE.
CAUSE I THINK RAY MAY HAVE SOME YEAH.
I, I, I PERHAPS HAD SOME, UH, THINGS FOR Y'ALL TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, WELL, THIS, THIS WAS, THIS REFLECTS AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK AND I'M, I'M VERY IMPRESSED.
I MEAN, HALFWAY THROUGH I WAS IMP HALFWAY THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND SO AT THAT POINT I FELT YOU WERE JUST STARTING TO SHOW OFF.
AND, AND I NOW FEEL REALLY BAD FOR ALL THE TIMES THAT I THOUGHT PLANNERS AREN'T REALLY THAT SMART.
I, I'M, I'M GLAD THERE'S A SPACE IN BETWEEN.
I LIKE TO CONTINUALLY OVERACHIEVE.
YOU, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M TEASING BECAUSE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THESE DETAILS AND YOU JUST, YOU JUST REALLY DUG IN AND I, I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BALANCING, UH, ACT THAT I THINK WE SHOULD, I THINK WE REALLY ARE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE ON HERE THAT MS. LASETTE REFERRED TO.
AND, AND I, I, I SUPPORT SENDING IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S TIME TO GET SOME COMMUNITY, THE INPUT.
UM, BECAUSE I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING, A FEW, FEW POINTS.
I, I WAS GONNA QUESTION WHY'D YOU DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHY'D YOU PICK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE 10% FOR
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INSTANCE, OUTSIDE OF ROOFTOPS, BUT, UM, I MEAN YOU JUST, YOU JUST DID A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING THE, AND EVEN AT THE END I WAS WAITING FOR MORE ON THE ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES AND THEN YOU KIND OF COVERED THAT AT THE END.ALL THE STUFF BEFORE THAT ARE THE ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES, THEY'RE GONNA BE HANDLED QUITE DIFFERENTLY MM-HMM.
UM, IF, IF THE WAY WE SET UP THE POLICY, CUZ WE REALLY STARTED OUT FOCUSING MORE ON THE SOLAR, UM, UH, LARGE SCALE PRODUCTION.
UM, ENERGY STORAGE IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ASPECT NOW THAT WE'RE SEEING OUT THERE.
AND I ANTICIPATE US TO SEE MORE OF, UM, WE WENT AHEAD AND EXPANDED THE POLICY.
WE HAVE REALLY THREE DIFFERENT SECTIONS, SORT OF LIKE OUR INITIAL IS THIS IS WHY WE GET TO DO IT, THIS IS WHY WE'RE PROPOSING THE POLICY.
UM, THEN WE HAVE FOCUS ON THE SOLAR, UM, FACILITIES OR PRODUCTION FACILITIES THAT GIVES GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS.
AND ULTIMATELY WE'VE PROVIDED, INSTEAD OF PROVIDING AN ORDINANCE, WE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL POLICY OR STANDARD CONDITION GUIDELINES FOR THE BATTERY STORAGE.
MAINLY IT'S A NEWER USE AS FAR AS, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR A WHILE, BUT IT'S NEW TO US AND WE WANT TO, WE BASICALLY PUT SOME BASE STANDARDS WE SAW REALLY TO ADJUST THE STANDARDS OR CONDITIONS AND CONCERNS.
WE ALSO DON'T KNOW, THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT OUT THERE AS FAR AS WHERE THEY MAY SHOW UP.
YOU WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE IN OUR MAJOR POWER TRANSMISSION AREAS.
UM, OR ADJACENT, YOU KNOW, A COMPANY IN THE SOLAR FACILITY, WELL, THEY KIND OF FIGURE THIS'S ALWAYS GONNA END UP LANDING RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
UM, BUT THERE'S NOT ALWAYS THE GUARANTEE FROM THOSE DIFFERENT ONES CAN HANDLE DIFFERENT CAPACITY, UM, DIFFERENT PRODUCERS OR ENERGY.
UM, COMPANIES MAY SEE THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DROP A, A SERIES OF BATTERIES HERE TO COLLECT ENERGY AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO REALLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING FORWARD.
I KNOW, UM, JUST FOR DOMINION ENERGY, I ATTENDED A SEMINAR OR, UH, AT OUR CONFERENCE RECENTLY, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THEIR UPPING AND THEIR DEMAND FOR THIS.
JUST LIKE THERE'S THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS TO MEET A CERTAIN MEGAWATTAGE IN PRODUCTION.
THERE'S A CERTAIN, THERE'S A STATE PROVISION ABOUT MANDATORY, UM, PROVISIONS FOR WATTAGE AND STORAGE.
SO IT'S THE NEW KID AROUND, I GUESS.
JUMPING BACK TO YOUR DECOMMISSIONING SLIDE, YOU UNDERLINED THE ONE THAT I THINK YOU AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK, IT'S JUST, IT SAYS, UM, THE PLAN AND ASSURETY WILL BE REVIEWED.
IT SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN IT DOWN.
IF, IF SURETY CAN'T BE REVIEWED, IF THEY'RE PROBLEMS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OPERATION OF THIS FACILITY MM-HMM.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE REMEDY? WHAT, WHAT CAN THIS BOARD DO IF SOMETHING 15 YEARS INTO ONE OF THESE PROJECTS GET SIDEWAYS AND WE HAVE TROUBLE WITH, CAUSE YOU KNOW, MY MY CONCERN IS DECOMMIT, I THINK EVERYBODY'S IS DECOMMISSIONING.
WE HAVEN'T, THESE THINGS WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT IN THE NEXT DECADE, PROBABLY LIKE, OOPS, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THIS OR THAT.
WHEN WE START SEEING THESE PROBLEMS, WE'RE, I HOPE AS TIME GOES ON, WE'RE GONNA BE MONITORING MORE CLOSELY IN THIS MONITORING AND THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS LOOKING AT THINGS.
MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE A, SURE, I DON'T HAVE, I'M NOT A SURETY LAW EXPERT, BUT I COULD SEE AT SOME POINT THERE MAY BE A TROUBLE WITH INCREASING ASURITY OR RENEWING ASURITY OR SOMETHING MM-HMM.
SO IF THAT HAPPENS, WHAT IS, ARE WE JUST GONNA SIT LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REMEDY? WELL, WE WOULD HAVE OUR STANDARD, THIS BEING A CONDITIONAL USE, WE HAVE OUR, OUR ZONING AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THE AGREEMENT, THE REGULATION, UM, SIGHTING AGREEMENT COULD BLEND WITH THAT AS WELL.
WE'D ALSO, UM, IF I RECALL, WE'VE GOT CERTAIN PROVISIONS IN OUR, UM, DECOMMISSION ABANDONED AND MAINTENANCE COMPLIANCE PROVISIONS OF THE ORDINANCE.
THE POLICY REG, UM, COMPLIANCE IS TO MAKE SURE IT'S MAINTAINED PROPERLY.
IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE MAKING CHANGES IN THERE OR THINGS, WE, WE GET TO SEE THEM.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT OVER TIME, UM, PART OF THAT THREE YEAR UPDATE AS WELL IS TO SORT OF SET A REASONABLE TIME THAT WE'RE SORT OF CHECKING BACK IN ON THAT.
UM, BUT WHEN WE FIND A PROBLEM, CAN WE JUST SAY, ALL RIGHT, YOU NEED TO SHUT DOWN AND DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WELL, WE WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT AUTHORITIES UNDER ZING ACTION TO DO SO.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY WE CAN TAKE CONCERN ENFORCEMENT.
I'LL LET THIS MIGHT, THIS IS STUFF JUST REALLY PLANT THE SEED.
I'LL LET THE SMART PEOPLE ATTORNEYS ANSWER ME.
I KNOW I'M DEALING WITH OVER HERE YOU SARCASM CARDS.
UM, AND, AND, UH, AS A PLANNER, OF COURSE, WHEN, WHEN RAY SAYS WE HAVE THE NORMAL STUFF UNDER ZONING THAT
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HAS MEANING TO HIM THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM UNDERSTANDS.BUT THE BOARD ALWAYS HAS INJUNCTIVE, UM, RELIEF AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IT WHEN IT HAS IT ZONING VIOLATION.
AND THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, FILING IN SUIT AND CIRCUIT COURT SAYING, YOUR HONOR, HERE'S THE OBLIGATIONS THAT THEY'VE MADE UNDER, YOU KNOW, THE CONDITIONS OF THE, UH, C P OR UNDER THE ORDINANCE.
AND THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
IN ADDITION, BECAUSE THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE, THE BOARD HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO REVOKE IT WITH THE PUBLIC PROCESS TO COME RIGHT.
INITIATE ITSELF A REVOCATION OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO EVEN CONTINUE.
NOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE A PRETTY TERRIBLE SITUATION BEFORE WE'RE IN A POSITION OF TAKING THAT ACTION.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, UM, AND THEN THE FINAL THING I'D SAY IS, AGAIN, AS RAY MENTIONS A CITING AGREEMENT, WE HAVE OUR TYPICAL CONTRACTUAL, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO SUE IF THERE'S A BREACH OF THAT CONTRACT WITH THAT AGREEMENT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO MORE PROACTIVELY? LIKE WE, I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE DO FOR CONSTRUCTION NOW, RIGHT? WE REQUIRE BONDING.
THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, SO YOU CAN'T GET BLOOD FROM A TURNIP.
RIGHT? SO IS THERE A WAY, CAN WE INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT SAYS, OKAY, WE THINK THE COST OF DECOMMISSIONING THIS 15 YEARS FROM NOW IS GOING TO BE THIS THAT NEEDS TO BE BONDED FOR THIS.
RIGHT? SO CAN WE DO THAT? RIGHT.
SO, UM, THE POLICY WOULD PROVIDE THAT THEY HAVE TO BOND FOR THE DECOMMISSIONING, FULL COST OF DECOMMISSIONING.
THERE'S A PROVISION IN STATE CODE THAT YOU CAN COUNTER RECYCLING OF YOUR SOLAR.
WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO THAT MARKET.
THIS IS WHAT IT COST TO DECOMMISSION.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE REVISIT.
UM, THERE, AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION, I HAVE SEEN RECENTLY SOME ORDINANCES PROVIDE THAT YOU SHOULD BOND UP FRONT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY, UM, I THINK IT KIND OF GOES TO WHAT AGAINST WHAT USUALLY KIND OF ALLOWS FOR DEVELOPMENT.
WE WOULD HAVE OUR STANDARD EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL BONDS, POTENTIALLY BUFFER BONDS TO PROTECT THE TREES.
UM, ONE OF THE PROVISIONS OF THINGS ARE BROUGHT UP TODAY WAS, UM, WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE LOOKING TO DO A MAINTENANCE SURETY FOR THE LANDSCAPING FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO MAKE SURE THOSE TREES GROW UP AND SERVE THEIR FUNCTION.
IF WE HAVE A FORESTED SITE, IT'S NOT TOO MUCH OF A PROBLEM, BUT I ANTICIPATE A LOT OF OUR SOLAR FACILITIES ARE GOING TO SHOW UP IN LAND THAT'S PRETTY WELL OPEN.
UM, SO, UH, I THINK THE, THE KEY OF THAT SURETY UPDATE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LEFT HOLD IN THE BACK.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO, TO BASICALLY SUE TO GET THE FULL, UM, TO COVER THE COST, UM, OF THAT IF THE BONDING FOR SOME REASON DOESN'T GET THERE.
AND MR. SPOONER, WHEN, UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT EVERY THREE YEARS, THAT IS A LOOK AT NOT ONLY YOUR DIS DECOMMISSIONING PLAN, BECAUSE AGAIN, AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, THEY MAY CHANGE, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THE AMOUNT OF SUREITY YOU PUT UP THREE YEARS AGO IS STILL ENOUGH.
AND IF NOT, THEN WE'RE INCREASING IT.
RIGHT? SO THAT THAT NOT ONLY TO HAVE A SURETY, BUT TO NOT LET IT 20 YEARS FROM NOW BE NOTHING NEAR WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO ACTUALLY DECOMMISSION IT.
EVERY THREE YEARS YOU'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AND IF THE AMOUNT IS NOT ENOUGH, INCREASING IT MM-HMM.
AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE THAT ARE QUALIFIED TO DO THAT.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY JUST A, WELL, I THINK IT'S GONNA COST YOU THIS MUCH.
THAT'S PART OF THE LANGUAGE AS WELL.
UM, I MEAN, PERSONALLY I'VE FOUND THE PLANNING STAFF TO BE REASONABLY TALENTED AND
AND JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE, WELL, I'VE BEEN HERE YEAR, SO IT'S, BUT, UH, NOW, BUT, UH, SERIOUSLY, THIS IS A, UH, NEW AREA AND WE'RE DEVELOPING NEW POLICY MM-HMM.
BY JUMPING IN, MAYBE PERHAPS TOO EARLY, IN SOME CASES, WHAT I CALL THE BLEEDING EDGE OF TECHNOLOGY.
AND, AND SO WE'VE LEARNING FROM, FROM OTHERS' MISTAKES.
UM, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO ENVISION WHAT COULD GO WRONG, WHAT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MIGHT EMERGE.
AND IT'S KIND OF A BRAINSTORMING SESSION.
YOU'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB WITH THAT.
AND EACH OF THE ELEMENTS IN HERE, I'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, SO THAT'S GREAT.
UM, BUT I, I DO AGREE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MORE MIND YOU BRING TO BEAR THE, THE BETTER THE ANSWER.
SO IT IS TIME TO INVITE THE CITIZENS IN BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ENVISION THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO THINK OF YET.
WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE UP FRONT RIGHT IN, NOT LEARN THE HARD WAY.
SO, UH, THAT'S A LONG-WINDED WAY OF SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT THE MOTION MOVED AND SECONDED AND, UH, AND THANK THE PLANNING STAFF FOR ALL THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE GOTTEN US TO THIS POINT.
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TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY PUTTING A LIMIT ON SIZE OF INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, RIGHT? CAN WE, OR SHOULD WE, ARE WE EVEN ALLOWED TO LOOK AT THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE COUNTY AND SAY NO MORE THAN X CAN BE IN SOLAR FACILITIES? UM, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO.UM, I THINK LIKE TO TIE THAT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AS WELL, JUST TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF COVERAGE.
BUT, UM, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA SAY OVERALL ACREAGE IN THE COUNTY, WE WANNA LIMIT IT TO THREE 5%.
UM, WE CAN, WE COULD ALSO TARGET IT TO SAY SINCE WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED IN THE ROLE ENHANCEMENT AREA, NO MORE THAN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THAT AREA, UM, COULD BE TAKEN.
UM, THE REASON STAFF DIDN'T PROPOSE THIS AT THIS TIME TO COMING FORWARD IS, QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT LARGE APPLICATION YET.
UM, WE WANT TO SORT OF, LET'S SEE WHAT THE INTEREST IS FROM OUR CITIZENS AND THEIR, UM, AND POTENTIALLY, UH, THOSE WHO SEEK TO PUT SOLAR HERE AND TO SORT OF EVALUATE, UM, WHAT WE SEE AS OUR IMPACT WITH LAND.
UM, SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO.
I WOULD SEE ONE OF THE MOST LIMITED FACTORS I'VE SEEN SO FAR IN WHAT WE'VE DONE, UM, IS THAT LIMIT THE USE OF SOLAR FACILITIES ON CERTAIN SOILS.
UM, WE HAVE A VERY GOOD SOIL IN THE WESTERN PART OF THIS COUNTY, UM, SORT IN THE EASTERN AS WELL.
BUT, UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A LIMIT IN FACTOR.
UM, AGAIN, STAFF, STAFF COULD EXPLORE THAT AND PUT FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION.
I KNOW, UM, SEVERAL ORDINANCES HAVE, UM, PUT FORWARD THAT RECOMMENDATION, DIFFERENT LOCALITIES.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, I THINK LOUISE'S ONE IS JUST ADOPTED, I THINK IS 3%, UM, FOR THEM, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT 4,000 ACRES LEFT, UH, CUZ OF THE ONES THEY ALREADY HAD ON, ON THEIR, UM, ROLES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU WISH US TO EXPLORE SOMETHING, LIKE STAFF COULD, COULD DO THAT AS WELL.
UH, WELL PERHAPS WE KNOW IF THIS IS POSSIBLE TO TAKE A MAP OF GIN AND DO THE OVERLAYS MM-HMM.
AND THEN WE CAN MAKE IT A DETERMINATION AT THAT POINT IS IF, YOU KNOW, IF ALL OF IT CAN BE IS, IS THAT TOO MUCH, NOT ENOUGH? AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
SO IF WE COULD JUST GET, CAUSE RIGHT NOW I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW MUCH OF THE COUNTY COULD BE, UH, RIGHT.
UH, YOU THINK UNDER THE POLICY, UM, HERE WEST IS OPEN, UM, UNDER THE GENERAL POLICY.
UH, BUT I, I THINK THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SORT OF, KIND OF GET A PERCENTAGE OF, OF REALISTIC, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'LL TAKE US A LITTLE TIME TO PUT THAT TOGETHER, UM, FOR THAT.
BUT GOOD, I'M WORTH EXPLORING AND I'M ENVISIONING WHERE WE HAVE 1% LEFT, THEN WE HAVE FIVE APPLICANTS FOR 3% EACH, AND THEN YOU GOTTA PICK YOUR FAVORITE CHILD AND RIGHT.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST, BUT IF WE DO IT THE OTHER WAY AND SAY, OKAY, IT'S LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, IT'S NOT FIRST COME FIRST SERVE, IT'S JUST WITH THE RESTRICTIONS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR THE COUNTY, UM, THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT WAY TO GO.
SO LET ME WAX PHILOSOPHICAL FOR A SECOND.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS 10, 12 MONTHS AGO, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS, UH, IN OR OUT.
UH, DO WE WANT SOLAR FACILITIES OR DON'T WE? AND THEN IT BECAME, AND THAT EQUATED TO DO WE WANT TO KEEP OUR COUNTY RURAL OR NOT? AND, AND THE MORE I, I'VE LOOKED INTO THIS, I, I THINK, AND I'M NOT SURE EVERY LOCALITY HAS DONE IT THIS WAY, BUT TO MR. PETERSON'S POINT, I THINK WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT IN THAT ONE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO TO BE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
SO I THINK ABOUT THE, THE GENERATIONAL FARMER WHO HAS NOBODY THAT WANTS TO TAKE HIS LAND ON, BUT DOESN'T WANT TO GET RID OF HIS LAND BUT CAN'T AFFORD IT.
IS THERE A WAY THAT THIS, WHATEVER POLICY WE CREATE DOESN'T INHIBIT THE RULE CHARACTER, BUT ACTUALLY HELPS TO PRESERVE IT SO THAT WE CAN USE IT AS A VEHICLE TO SAY, YES WE CAN, BECAUSE WE'VE CRAFTED THIS IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER.
I BELIEVE AGRICULTURE IS GONNA BE MORE IMPORTANT.
AGRICULTURAL LAND GONNA BE MORE IMPORTANT NOW IN THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS AND IT EVER THAN HAS BEEN SINCE FOR THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS.
SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, CAN WE USE THIS AS A VEHICLE TO SUPPORT THE INITIATIVES FOR CLEANER ENERGY, BUT ALSO TO ALLOW FOLKS THAT CAN STAY ON THEIR LAND BECAUSE THEY HAVE A REVENUE STREAM THAT ALLOWS THEM THAT, HEY, I DON'T WANNA SELL MY 150 ACRES.
IF I CAN USE 40 OF IT FOR THIS, THAT SUPPORTS ME DOING AGRICULTURE.
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I GUESS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SHOW HOW SMART PLANNERS ARE BY GETTING THE WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE, WHATEVER PARAMETERS WE CHOOSE OR VARIABLES YOU MENTIONED THE PRIME AGRICULTURAL LANDS WITH ANY PROCESS OR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD THE GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT.
SO WHATEVER WE CHOOSE, THOSE METRICS NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO BE COMFORTABLE.
SO ARE WE COMFORTABLE THAT THE PRIMARY AGRICULTURAL LANDS TODAY ARE, ARE ACCURATE, THAT THOSE REALLY ARE OUR PRIMARY AGRICULTURAL LANDS? AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THEY COULD CHANGE.
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M SITTING ON SOMETHING THAT I CAN DO A SOLAR FACILITY, THEN SOME STATE AGENCY COMES ALONG AND SAYS, OH, I CAN'T BECAUSE THEY'VE CHANGED THE CLASSIFICATION OF MY LAND.
SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO GUARD AGAINST VARIABLES THAT WE ARE NOT IN CONTROL OF, UH, WOULD BE MY, MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, AND THEN THE OTHER, THE LAST COMMENT I HAVE IS I SEE BIG BATTERIES LIKE THAT.
I'M GUESSING CHIEF, YOU CAN'T PUT THOSE OUT WITH A GARDEN HOSE.
UM, SO
SO WE'VE LOOKED INTO THESE A LITTLE BIT.
THEY DO, THEY DO, UH, HAVE CERTAIN HAZARDS THAT GO ALONG WITH THEM.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, FIRES CAN START, OF COURSE, UH, TAKES, UH, LARGE AMOUNTS OF, UH, WATER TO EXTINGUISH A FIRE THAT TYPE.
AND HONESTLY, YOU MAY NOT EVEN WANT TO TACKLE THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE ELECTRICITY HAZARD AS WELL AS, UH, THE RUNOFF, THE, UH, RUNOFF, UM, BECAUSE OF THE COMPONENTS THAT THE BATTERIES ARE MADE WITH, THEN SOME OF THE RUNOFF COULD CREATE A, UM, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS ISSUE.
SO WE WOULD, WE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, UM, EVEN ELECTRIC VEHICLES RIGHT NOW, UH, IS, IS PROBABLY PROBABLY THE HOT TOPIC, UH, PARDON THE PUN, IN FIRE, UH, RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS HOW YOU HANDLE FIRES AND BATTERY, UH, ELECTRIC CARS, AS WELL AS, UH, THESE STORAGE FACILITIES AS OF SUCH.
AND IT'S ALSO THE REASON THAT THEY WOULD BE PLACED IN A, UH, ZONED IN AN AREA THAT WOULD BE SORT OF REMOTE, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN ELIMINATE AND MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE, UH, RISK AND HAZARDS.
SO MORE TO COME ON THAT BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE SENDING PEOPLE ALL OVER, UH, THE STATE TO CLASSES TO, TO LEARN WHAT THEY CAN LEARN ABOUT THE, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLES AS WELL AS, UH, THIS TYPE OF STORED ENERGY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALREADY HOMES IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR ROOFTOPS, AND WE HAVE A FIRE IN THAT.
UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO IDENTIFY VERY QUICKLY WHETHER'S BATTERIES ARE IN THAT HOME AND WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK AROUND AND MITIGATE THAT HAZARD.
ANY ONE MORE THING, MISS, UM, MR. CASH.
I DID SEE IN THE PRESENTATION THE DISPOSAL DECOMMISSIONING OF THE SOLAR ENERGY.
NOT FARM, BUT NOT THE FAR RIGHT.
UM, NOT THE FARM PRODUCE, BUT THE, UH, THE WAS NOT TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN GSON COUNTY.
DO WE HAVE A PARALLEL FOR THE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY DISPOSAL? UM, YOU KNOW, DECOMMISSIONING, ACTUALLY THAT WASN'T A THOUGHT, UM, THAT, BECAUSE THESE WERE SO MASSIVE, BUT WE COULD ADD THAT PROVISION AS WELL TO THAT
SO WE'LL BECOME THE LOCATION FOR THOSE.
UM, BUT I, I WOULD SAY I CAN ADD THAT IN THERE.
UM, I, I, I THINK PART OF THE GOOD THING IS TYPICALLY I WOULD, MY ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS WOULD'VE SAID, LET'S DO AN ORDINANCE.
BUT I THINK IN THE DOC WITH THE BOARD, I THINK THE WISDOM DETERMINE IS POLICY.
SO WE CAN START TO CHANGE THESE THINGS A LITTLE BIT OVER TIME.
THIS IS NEW TO US IN THIS LOCALITY.
NO MATTER WHAT I'VE DONE IN THE PAST OR RESEARCHED RECENTLY, I WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT IT FEELS RIGHT FOR US AS WE GO THROUGH THEIR POLICY.
AND THAT'S, YOU JUST BROUGHT UP SOMETHING BRAND NEW I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT.
I STILL THINK YOU CAN, I WAS FEELING SMART EARLIER, BUT THANK YOU,
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THOUGHTS? QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
BOARD, UM, THEREFORE, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF INITIATING AND REFERRING THIS SOLAR POLICY AND ZONING ORDINANCE, AMENDMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REC, UH, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED? GREAT.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHEDDING A LOT OF LIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT.
I'M, I'M SURE THEY, UH, THEY THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, THAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF THE BUSINESS UP, UH, TO THIS POINT.
WE WILL RE WE WILL, UH, RECESS FOR OUR, OUR BREAK AND
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YOU THAT, THAT MAY NOT BE AWARE, UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT MR. SHARP IS NOT WITH US.UNFORTUNATELY, MR. SHARP PASSED AWAY, UH, IN SEPTEMBER AND WE WERE VERY SORRY TO, UM, HAVE TO, TO SHARE THAT NEWS.
UM, HIS SERVICE WILL BE ON THE 15TH OF OCTOBER AT 2:00 PM AT RAG MEMORIAL CHURCH, AND THAT WILL BE LIVE STREAMED AS WELL.
SO, AND THE PUBLIC IS, IS INVITED TO ATTEND TO, TO HONOR, UH, MR. SHARP WHO HAS SERVED OUR COMMUNITY EXTREMELY WELL FOR IN, IN MANY CAPACITIES.
SO JUST WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY THAT UPDATE.
JUST DIDN'T MEAN I'VE BEEN AWARE.
UM, THE FIRST THING WE DO WHEN WE COME BACK TO ORDER IS WE, UH, OPEN IT UP FOR OUR CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
UM, THIS IS A CHANCE FOR CITIZENS TO COME
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AND SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT PERTAIN TO GLAND COUNTY THAT ARE NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA.WE ASK THAT YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND I GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU NEED TO HAVE THREE MINUTES.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
UM, JONATHAN, ALLOW 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
UM, I I WANNA SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THE, UH, EFFORT THAT MR. CASH PARTICULARLY, BUT OTHERS IN ON STAFF HAVE PUT INTO THE SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITY.
UM, INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU EARLIER, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE I'M BREAKING A CONFIDENCE, BUT MR. CASH ACTUALLY ALLOWED ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AS IT WAS IN DEVELOPMENT.
AND I MADE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, NOT ALL OF WHICH I WOULD SADLY SAY MADE IT INTO THE DRAFT YOU SAW TODAY, BUT, UM, MY ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE DEGREE IT CAN BE DONE IS WHILE IT'S NOW GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, A BROADER COMMUNITY MEETING WHERE FOLKS MAYBE AREN'T LIMITED JUST TO THREE MINUTES AND WOULD BE MORE INFORMATIONAL, MUCH TO THE LEVEL THAT MR. CASH PRESENTED EARLIER, MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL.
IN FACT, I'M GONNA TAKE THE WORD MIGHT OUT.
IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL, BUT GET THAT KIND OF INPUT AND, AND FEEDBACK.
MR. CASH IS ALREADY A VOLUNTEERED TO, UM, MEET WITH MEMBERS OF THE FARM BUREAU AND GET THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITIES INPUT.
BUT I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THE LITANY, UH, CUZ I ONLY HAD THREE MINUTES OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THREE MINUTES, UH, ADDED THERE.
BUT THE CONCEPT MISS LASETTE ASKED ABOUT LIMITING THE PERCENTAGE OF LAND IN THE COUNTY TO SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITIES.
I DIDN'T HEAR ANY MENTION AT ALL BROWN SPACE, UH, RECLAIMED QUARRIES OR, UH, LANDFILLS, UH, AREAS THAT I THINK ARE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITIES VERSUS AGRICULTURAL LAND OR OPEN SPACE.
SO, UM, IT'S A GREAT START IF YOU PASS IT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD PROBABLY STILL HAVE OPINIONS ON HOW IT COULD BE MADE BETTER, BUT IT IS A CONVERSATION THAT STARTED AND, AND I WOULD NOT DIMINISH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR MORE FULLY WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND, AND WEIGH IN WITH OPINIONS.
I THINK, UM, MR. SPOON AND I ARE SAID THAT WHEN YOU HAVE MORE INPUT, YOU MAKE BETTER DECISIONS.
THOUGH I DON'T ALWAYS SOLICIT MY KIDS' INPUT WHEN I'M MAKING A DECISION, CUZ THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS LEAD TO A BETTER DECISION.
AND, AND MR. UH, LUMPKINS, YOU AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS, WHAT DEFINES RURAL SOLAR PANELS DO NOT DEFINE RURAL.
SO, UH, NOT CALLING 'EM SOLAR FARMS IS A VERY GOOD THING.
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KIND OF LIKE WHAT THE, THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, COULDN'T DEFINE IT, BUT HE KNEW IT WHEN HE SAW IT.SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITIES ARE NOT FARMS OR RURAL.
THANKS THINK MR. WHAT ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO COMMENT? SEEING NONE.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE CITIZEN COUNTER PERIOD.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH IS A MAJORITY OF WHAT WE'RE HERE
[XIV. Public Hearings]
FOR THIS, UH, TO, WE HAVE FIVE HEARINGS.FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH IT REALLY QUICK.
STAFF IS GONNA COME AND GIVE IT PRESENTATION.
AND AFTER THE STAFF PRESENTATION, THE BOARD MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
THE, AND THEN WE ASK THE APPLICATION TO COME.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ADD, UM, SAME THING.
WE MAY ASK THEM QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, PEOPLE WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AS WELL.
AND THEN, UM, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE TYPICALLY ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO.
AND AFTER THAT, THEN WE ASK FOR MOTION AND THEN WE'D GO TO WORK AND WE MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR THE COUNTY THAT WE CAN.
SO, ALL RIGHT, MISS SHERRY, YOU'RE UP.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD,
[1. 5485: 2022 District 4; 2011 District 5 - CU-2022-00010 Application by Nicole and]
MR. CARPENTER.I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS AN APPLICATION BY NICOLE AND STEVE TYRELL FOR AN ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON SNEAD ROAD, WHICH IS, UM, IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, UM, MAJORITY OF THE, UH, LAND AROUND IT IS EITHER, UH, RESIDENTIAL, SOME SMALL LOTS ALONG THE ROAD, AND THEN SOME LARGER, UH, FARMLAND.
UM, SURROUNDING THAT THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, AS IS ALL THE SURROUNDING, UH, PROPERTY.
UH, THERE IS SOME RRR PROPERTY, UM, TO THE, THE FAR, UM, WEST THAT'S RUNNING CEDAR PLACE SUBDIVISION.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS SINGLE FAMILY, UM, SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, LOW, UM, DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL.
SO, UH, HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS ACTUALLY THE SITE PLAN.
UH, THE RED MARK ON THE AERIAL IS WHERE THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE ACCESSORY HOUSING UNIT.
UM, THE CURRENT PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON IT IN SEVERAL SMALL, UM, UM, OUTBUILDINGS.
THE APPLICATE IS PROPOSING TO, UH, PROVIDE THIS HOME FOR THEIR DAUGHTERS AND THEY WILL BE ACCESSING, UH, THE NEW HOUSE, THE, THE SAME WAY THEY ACCESS THE EXISTING HOUSE.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING BACK IN JULY, UM, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, MR. TUCK AND, UH, TUCK AND MR. MYERS WERE PRESENT.
NO CITIZENS WERE IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, AFTER SOME, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROPOSED DWELLING THIS PAST MONTH IN SEPTEMBER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON A FOUR ZERO VOTE.
UM, MR. BREWER WAS ABSENT AND NOBODY FROM THE PUBLIC SPOKE.
SO, UM, THERE ARE JUST THE STANDARD CONDITIONS, UM, ALONG WITH THIS PERMIT.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS TO ALLOW FOR A DETACHED FAMILY HOUSING UNIT, UM, WHICH ONLY ALLOWS FOR, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, RELATED TO THE MAIN, UH, PRINCIPAL HOUSE OR ALLOW TO LIVE THERE.
UH, NO RENTAL OF EACH HOUSE SEPARATELY.
UM, AND THEN AS I MENTIONED, THE SITE PLAN EXHIBIT A, UM, HAS TO BE GENERALLY IN THAT AREA.
UH, SAFETY MEASURES SUCH AS CARBON MONOXIDE AND SMOKE DETECTORS, EMERGENCY ACCESS ARE REQUIRED.
UH, THIS IS A FIVE YEAR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IT WAS, UM, UH, NEEDS TO BE RENEWED IN OCTOBER, 2027.
AND LASTLY, THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP, UM, IS ONE OF OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRES THEM TO NOTIFY THE COUNTY IF THEY WERE TO LEASE OR TO SELL THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
AND THE APPLICANTS ARE IN ATTENDANCE BOARD.
ANY QUESTIONS WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD? HI, I'M NICOLE TERRELL, STEVE TERRELL.
EVERYTHING THAT WAS PRESENTED IS ACCURATE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE, ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU.
WE'LL SEE HOW, OKAY, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR THE NO DISCUSSION, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BOARD.
IF THERE'S, IF THE CHAIR IS, UH,
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READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I FEEL BETTER.VERY ENTERTAINING THIS EVENING.
UM, UH, MR. CHAIR, I, I MOVED THAT THE BOARD GRANT CONDITION USE PERMIT, UH, CU 22, UH, NUMBER 10 FOR DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT AT SEVEN 80 SNE ROAD, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
ANY FURTHER? CONVERSATION? COMMENTS? UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE.
YOU HAVE YOUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
ALL RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ON, MISS SHERRY.
[2. 5486: 2022 District 2; 2011 District 2 - CU-2022-00011 Application by Nicholas]
NEXT APPLICATION IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR, UM, A SHORT TERM RENTAL UNHOSTED.AND THIS WOULD BE ON THREE C ROAD, AS I'D MENTIONED ON THREE C ROAD.
IT IS LITERALLY AT THE BORDER OF, UM, GOLAND COUNTY AND UH, LUISA, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ACROSS THE STREET IS LOUISA.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, AS ARE THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIALS, UM, ALONG THREE TOP, THEY ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES SIMILAR TO THE APPLICANTS.
THIS IS JUST A LITTLE NOTE, NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO THE APPLICATION ITSELF, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, I'D MENTIONED LUISA COUNTY IS TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
IT ALSO A BUTS LUISA ON THE END AS PART OF THE, UM, BOUNDARY AGREEMENT WITH LOUISA.
THERE WERE A FEW PARCELS THAT, UM, THE COUNTY IS STILL TRYING TO WORK OUT, UM, THEIR EXACT STATUS AND THAT PROCESS IS ONGOING.
BUT, UM, LOUISA COUNTY RESIDENTS, BOTH TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH WERE, UH, NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS APPLICATION.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, UM, IT IS A REQUEST FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL UNHOSTED, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER DOES NOT ACTUALLY LIVE ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, JUST A LITTLE, UH, BACKGROUND ON WHAT A SHORT TERM RENTAL IS.
IT IS A DWELLING WHERE A PORTION OR THE ENTIRE DWELLING IS USED FOR SLEEPING, UM, FOR TRANSIENT RENTERS FOR LESS THAN A 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
UM, AND OCCUPANCY IS LIMITED TO 10.
UH, THE HOUSE IS, UM, 572 SQUARE FEET, HAS TWO BEDROOMS AND, UH, ONE BATH.
YOU'RE, THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO HAVE, UM, FOUR GUESTS STAYING AT ANY ONE TIME.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD BACK IN AUGUST AND NOBODY WAS IN ATTENDANCE.
AT THE SEPTEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, THIS APPLICATION WAS RECOMMENDED WITH A FOUR ZERO VOTE.
AGAIN, MR. BREWER WAS ABSENT AND NOBODY FROM THE PUBLIC SPOKE.
UH, FOR THIS APPLICATION, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS, UH, IT WHICH ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND HOSTED, UM, THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY AT FOUR, UM, FOUR PEOPLE.
IF THEY WERE TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THEIR, UM, THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEM, THEY COULD BE ALLOWED TO GO UP TO 10, BUT THAT WOULD BE WITH APPROVAL OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AGAIN, SAFETY MEASURES IN PLACE SUCH AS HAVING SMOKE DETECTOR AND CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTOR AND EMERGENCY ACCESS MUST BE MAINTAINED.
UH, THERE'S CERTAIN, UH, RESTRICTIONS ON, UH, MUSIC IN SOUND.
UH, NO AMPLIFIED SOUND OR MUSIC.
AND NO MUSIC OUTDOORS AFTER 10:00 PM NO TRESPASSING SIGNS NEED TO BE POSTED AROUND THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE HOUSE MAY MUST BE MAINTAIN ITS RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE AND THEN NO HUNTING OR DISCHARGING OF FIREARMS. UH, NUMBER NINE BASICALLY JUST SAYS THEY NEED TO BE GIVEN NOTICE OF ALL THE THINGS I JUST READ.
UH, THIS IS A FIVE YEAR CONDITIONAL NEWS PERMIT, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD NEED TO BE RENEWED, UM, BY THE END OF OCTOBER, 2027.
AND LASTLY, OUR TRANSFER OF LEASE.
THEY WOULD NEED TO NOTIFY THE COUNTY IF IT WAS SOLD OR RENTED.
THAT CONCLUDES MY A, UM, MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS IN ATTENDANCE.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SAY ANYTHING? HEY, GOOD EVENING.
UM, MY NAME'S NICHOLAS FLEMING.
I LIVE AT 37 62 COUNTY LINE ROAD IN KENT STORE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.
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OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SINCE THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MOVE THAT THE BOARD GRANTS CONDITION USE PERMIT.
IF THE DETACHED SEXUALLY ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT AT SEVEN 80 AM ON LOOK, SCROLL DOWN.
THREE CHAPTER ROAD SUBJECT TO IMPOSED CONDITIONS HEARD.
MOTION TO GRANT C 2211 FOR UNHOSTED SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 30 67 3 C ROAD.
ANY CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
[3. 5483: 2022 District 5, 2011 District 5 - RZ-2022-00008 Application by John Stefan]
CHAIRMAN.MR. CARPENTER, I'VE NEVER SAID THE BOARD.
UM, THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A REZONING APPLICATION.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS RAY CASH.
I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO ZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO, UH, APPROXIMATELY 1.002 ACRES.
THIS IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
UH, JASON, INTERESTING ENOUGH TO ANOTHER APPLICATION WE HAVE TONIGHT, BENEDICTINE.
UM, THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY IS A SPLIT ZONE PROPERTY.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE ZONING MAP, IT'S UH, SPLIT BETWEEN A TWO AND R ONE.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR THIS TO BE, UH, RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY.
UH, THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS, UM, WE'RE SHOWING HERE JUST A LITTLE BETTER DETAIL TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE FEEL FOR THE, THAT MORE OF THE L SHAPE, UM, PROPERTY THAT IS ACTUALLY THE SUBJECT OF THE REZONING.
UM, THE INTENT IS REALLY TO RESOLVE THE SPLIT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED WITH THE PI PEMBROKE SUBDIVISION.
UM, AND THE PORTION THAT WAS THEY TWO WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT ZONING.
UH, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD AT ACTUALLY THE SAME TIME WITH THE COMPANION CASES COMING FORWARD TONIGHT AT BEN DICK TEAM, UM, SUPERVISOR PETERSON, COMMISSIONER ROCKER, CHARLIE, AND 10 CITIZENS ATTENDED.
UM, NO CITIZENS SPOKE AGAINST THE PROPOSAL AND STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO COMMENTS ON THE CASE.
UH, IN SEPTEMBER 1ST, THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO DID FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
NO CITIZENS SPOKE AGAINST THE PROPOSAL AND STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE CASE.
SO WHAT'S THE RESULT OF THIS RESUMING ACTION? UM, IT WON'T RE, UH, RESOLVE OR CREATE OR PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY ADDITIONAL LOTS.
IT IS, UH, SOLELY TO ELIMINATE THE SPLIT ZONING THAT IS ON THE INDIVIDUAL PARCEL BY THE ACTION.
IT WOULD REMOVE ANY PREVIOUS PROFFERS.
THEY'RE ON THE R R ONE PORTION, UM, THAT'S BEING REZONED.
UM, SO STAFF'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE TONIGHT.
SO WHAT PROFFERS ARE BEING ELIMINATED? UH, ORIGINALLY THERE WAS PROFFERS RELATED TO, UM, THE PEMBROKE SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT TO INCLUDE A CASH PROFFER, UM, FOR UNITS.
UH, THERE'S ALSO, UM, PROFFERS REGARDING BUFFER AND UM, SOME REALLY STANDARD RESIDENTIAL PROFFERS.
UM, THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE A TWO PROPERTY ALREADY HAS A HOUSE ON IT.
AND, UM, WHEN THEY DID THE SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY, THIS DIDN'T, THIS PORTION, UM, OF R ONE WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE SUBDIVISION.
IT'S ONE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT MAY ACTUALLY BE MORE OF A, I WOULD SAY PERHAPS THE, UH, THE ZONING LINES WEREN'T POTENTIALLY DRAWN AS APPROPRIATE, UH, DRAWN CORRECTLY AT THE TIME VERSUS THIS, UM, IT'S MORE OF A, MR. EDIS HAS OWND THIS AND HIS FAMILY HAS OWNED IT FOR A LONG TIME AND WAS ACTUALLY, UH, PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ORIGINAL PEMBRO SUB DIVISION.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO REALLY SINCE THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL BUILDING UNIT BEING, UM, BUILT ON THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THE CHANGE INTO THE PROFFERS, UH,
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REALLY I WOULD SAY NOT REALLY HAVE MUCH IMPACT THE REMAINING PIN BROKE SUB DIVISION OUTSIDE OF THE CASE THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO TALK ABOUT NEXT, BUT STILL REMAIN AND SUBJECT TO THOSE CONDITIONS.AND IF I MIGHT MS. LAS, THIS IS JUST ONE TINY STRIP THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE ALL THESE PROFFERS THAT DON'T, AGAIN, YOU COULDN'T EVEN FOLLOW THOSE PROFFERS IF YOU WANTED TO.
IT'S JUST LITTLE STRIP DOWN THE, IT'S THES STATE PIER.
SO THERE IS A LOT HERE ON THE FRONTAGE THAT'S PART OF THE PEN BROKEN AS WELL AS THE LOTS HERE THAT REMAIN ALONG THIS OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO IT'S ONLY RIGHT WHERE THE RED LINE IS.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I I I TOTALLY GET THAT PART.
IT'S JUST THE STATEMENTS LIKE PROFFERS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY SO RIGHT.
WELL SINCE, SO WHEN THEY'RE, AS PART OF THE REZONING BASICALLY AVOIDS THE PREVIOUS, ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONS OR WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN ON THE PROPERTY.
SO IT BECOMES NOW A, A TWO ZONE PROPERTY.
I JUST FOLLOW ON THE SAME LOGIC CAUSE I THINK I, UM, THIS IS NOT VACATING A PROPERTY LINE.
THIS, THE PROPERTY LINES ARE STILL THE PROPERTY LINES.
THIS IS A ZONING THAT APPLIES TO A SLICE OF THE PIE HERE.
UM, BUT TO THE QUESTION, UH, IT'S GOING TO A TWO, IT IS THE REST OF THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SO THE PROPERTY LINE'S NOT CHANGING THE PROPERTY RIGHT.
SO IT'S BECOMING THE SAME ZONING AS THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH, WHICH HAS THE HOUSE ON IT.
WHICH HAS THE HOUSE, SO MM-HMM.
THE LOGICAL EXTENSION OF THAT WAS IF YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORY THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT SETBACKS OR DIFFERENT BUFFERS.
BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU'RE RESTORING IT TO THE SAME ZONING CATEGORY AS THE REMAINDER OF THE LOT AND WE'RE NOT VACATING LOT LINES AND WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE ZONING TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT.
YEAH, I THINK THE DONOR RECOGNIZES THAT BENEFIT HIM TO HAVE A CONSISTENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY.
FOR THINGS LIKE YOU MENTIONED SETBACKS AND THE LIKE.
SO IT WON'T CHANGE THE SETBACK OR, OKAY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD? CHAIRMAN, MY NAME'S DARVIN SANTA WHITE 55 62 COMMUNITY HOUSE ROAD.
UM, SOMEONE MORE QUALIFIED THAN I AM IS GONNA SHOW ME ON A, JUST ARRIVED, OPERATE THIS
THE LITTLE POINTER IF YOU NEED IT.
WHAT, UH, I THINK MR. PETERSON, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED IS EXACTLY WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON.
IF YOU'LL SEE THE SUBDIVISION OR THE PLAT RATHER ON THE RIGHT OF YOUR SCREEN THERE, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED? THAT AREA THAT'S OUTLINED IN BLUE, THERE WAS A JUST A PROPERTY SWAP BETWEEN WHAT WAS THE DEVELOPER PEMBROKE LLC AND, UH, STE AND JODY CAMAS, THE CAMIS IS OWNED THAT LARGER LOT WHEN THEY SWAPPED THIS MADE THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT, YOU END UP WITH THAT AREA IN BLUE, UH, REMAINING R ONE.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS NOW YOU'VE GOT R ONE WITHOUT ANY CORRESPONDING BOUNDARY LINE MIXED WITH THE, THE REST OF THE A TWO.
SO THE ALL WE'RE DOING IS MAKING CONSISTENT.
NOW THE FACT THAT THIS ENTIRE PARCEL, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE SWAPS ALREADY BEEN DONE, THE PLOT'S ALREADY RECORDED, JUST IT'S MORE OF A HOUSEKEEPING, UH, TYPE OF SITUATION WHERE WE'RE MAKING ALL OF THIS A TWO INSTEAD OF HAVING THE, THE MIX SPLIT ZONING.
ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, APPLICANT.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT HERE OR PUBLIC HEARING.
MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD SUPERVISORS, MY NAME IS RANDOLPH TAB.
I LIVED AT 2 0 1 WEST WORK RUN DRIVE IN THE JAMES RIVER STATES, AND I'M REALLY HERE TO SPEAK TO ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE.
BUT SEEING NUMBER THREE ON THE DOCKET, I DIDN'T WANT TO WAIVE MY OBJECTION TO IT BY WAITING TILL LATER.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT BEFORE YOU, I'M REALLY NOT
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PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.NUMBER THREE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT MY PURPOSE REALLY IS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO YOUR NEXT TWO.
AND I DON'T WANNA WAVE MY OPPOSITION IF YOU'RE CHANGING TWO AN A, WHAT ARE THE AGRICULTURAL A TWO WHEN? RIGHT NOW IT'S RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS THE SAME THING FOR THE NEXT TWO ITEMS. THANK YOU, SIR.
UM, I, I DO ALSO, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO AHEAD WITH THE REZONING.
I RECALL A REQUEST AT ONE TIME TO HAVE MIXED ZONING WITHIN A PLANET DEVELOPMENT FOR A SUBDIVISION.
AND, UM, I AM NOT PLANNER SMART OR LAWYER SMART.
SO I'M CONFUSED BY THIS AS TO WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT A PARCEL TO HAVE UNIFORM ZONING, UH, ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY LINE.
I WAS CONFUSED AS TO HOW IT GOT THAT WAY, BUT I WAS EDUCATED THAT THEY MOVED THE PROPERTY LINE AND THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENED.
SO I I, I REALLY DO VIEW THIS AS A HOUSEKEEPING AND WE'RE JUST CLEANING IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND, UH, I GUESS THIS IS THE PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO DO IT.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE IT FROM R ONE TO A TWO.
AND OF COURSE, ANYTIME WE MOVE LAND INTO AN AGRICULTURAL ZONING IS GOOD NEWS FOR ME.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THIS? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MR. PETERSON, WHAT YOU GOT? YES, UH, MR. CHAIR.
UM, MR. CHAIR, I MOVED THAT THE BOARD APPROVED REZONING R Z 2022, UH, NUMBER EIGHT FOR A ONE ACRE 1.002 ACRE PORTION OF TAX MAP 66 1 9 0 9 0 FROM RESIDENTIAL R ONE WITH PROPER CONDITIONS TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO IS PRESENTED.
MR. LUMPKINS, ANY DISCUSSION? RULE CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
MR. CASH, KEEP YOU'RE ON ROLL.
[4. 5478: 2022 District 5, 2011 District 5 - RZ-2022-00007 Application by The]
AM RAY CASH JUST IN DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.UH, THIS CASE RIGHT HERE, ACTUALLY, WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS TWO CASES, UM, AT THE SAME TIME AS WE, WE DO FREQUENTLY WHEN WE HAVE BOTH A REZONING AND A CONDITIONAL USE, UM, OCCURRING AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WE JUST VISITED THIS PROPERTY, WE'RE GONNA GO NEXT DOOR.
UM, NEXT DOOR TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, PROPOSAL IS REZONING FROM OUR ONE TO EIGHT, TWO WITH CRAWFORD CONDITIONS.
THERE'S ALSO, ACCOMPANYING THE CASE IS A CONDITIONALLY USED FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS.
AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
UM, HERE, IF YOU SEE A ZUNI MAP IS CURRENTLY R ONE.
UM, IT IS, UH, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO, UH, THE BENEDICTINE, UM, PROPERTIES.
UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, AND THE PEMBROKE SUBDIVISION.
UH, THE CONFERENCE THAT PLANNED US CALLED FOR THIS TO BE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY.
UM, AS YOU CAN SORT OF MAKE OUT HERE, THIS PROPERTY AT ONE POINT WAS, UM, PART OF THE PEMBROKE SUBDIVISION, UH, THE AERIAL DISPLAYS.
THERE IS ONE EXISTING HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THERE WAS THE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS, UH, FORMALLY FOR THE ROAD FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT'S OCCURRING HERE IS THEY'RE REQUESTING A REZONING FROM OUR ONE TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO WITH CRAWFORD CONDITIONS.
AND PRIMARILY THAT'S FOR THE INTENDED USE THAT THEY WANNA PUT ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AS I SAID, THE PROPERTY IS PART OF THE
THERE WAS FORMALLY ABOUT NINE LOTS ON THE PROPERTY, ONE OF WHICH HAD A DWELLING.
UM, WHAT THE APPLICANTS PROPOSING IS TO BE THE SITE TO BE USED FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS RELATED IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE ADJACENT AND USE OF THE ADJACENT SCHOOL SITE.
UM, THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED SIX PROFFERS TO ADDRESS THE USE.
UH, DOES HAVE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS WELL AS CROSS SECTION BUFFER PLANS TO TRY TO GIVE A LITTLE DETAILS OF HOW THE BUFFER AND THE BERM ARE GONNA RELATE TO THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS ALSO, UH, RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION, UM, THAT
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WAS PER, THAT'S FOR 35 FEET FROM CENTERLINE ALONG RIVER ROAD.WHAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE NORMALLY DO HERE, THIS IS ACTUALLY A 71 FOOT BUFFER ALONG RIVER ROAD, UM, AND A 25 FOOT BUFFER ALONG PEMBROKE LANE, ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING PRODUCTIONS AND STANDARDS.
UM, EXCLUDING THE TWO TENNIS COURTS ON THE PROPERTY, THERE IS A PROPOSAL THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO LIGHTING OF ATHLETIC FIELDS.
UM, THE EXISTING DWELLING OF THE PROPERTY IS ONLY GONNA BE UTILIZED FOR BENEDICTINE STAFF OR GUESTS.
AND ONLY, UM, I'M SORRY, ONLY THEY'RE EXCUSE FOR USED FOR THE USE OF THE ING STAFF OR BENEDICTINE STAFF, OR GUEST ONLY, AND NOT FOR EDUCATIONAL USES OR RENTAL PROPERTY.
SORRY ABOUT THE TONGUE TWISTER THERE.
UM, THIS IS THE EXHIBIT THAT ACTUALLY DISPLAYS THE PROPERTY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE PROPOSED IN ABOUT THREE SOCCER FIELDS OR OTHER MULTI-USE FIELDS.
UM, SOFTBALL FIELD, UH, TENNIS COURT, AND THEN TWO LIT TENNIS COURTS DOWN HERE.
UM, AND SORT OF THE, UH, MORE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT WAS REALLY THE LIGHTING, AS THE APPLICANT WILL TALK ABOUT, WAS INTENDED TO ALLOW SOME PEDESTRIAN ACCESS BACK THERE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ACTUALLY USE THOSE TENNIS COURTS IN THE EVENING.
UM, WE DO HAVE CONDITIONS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT REGULATE THAT THESE LIGHTS WOULD BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
THE EXHIBIT DEMONSTRATES, UH, SORT OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE BUFFERS TO PEMBROKE CLEAN.
SO YOU HAVE THE, THE ROAD OVER HERE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED 25 FOOT BUFFER.
THEY'RE ALSO PE ABOUT SOME PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGH THE AREA.
UM, RIVER ROAD, YOU HAVE THE SAME SCENARIO.
WE'RE ASKING FOR RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION.
AND FROM THAT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, THERE'S A 71 FOOT BUFFER PART OF WHICH THE BACK PORTION INCLUDES A MEM.
SO THAT'S THE REZONING PROFFERS.
THE CONDITIONAL USE ITSELF IS REALLY FOR THE USE THAT BE FOR THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
DESIGN RELATED IMPROVEMENT SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE APPLICABLE PROFFERED CONDITIONS OF THE REZONING CASE.
SO RATHER THAN RESTATE ALL THE CONDITIONS THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE, WE RELY UPON THE PROFFERS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED WITH THE REZONING CASE.
UM, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING.
MR. PETERSON ATTENDED MR. ROCKA.
CHARLIE AND 10 CITIZENS ATTENDED.
UM, CONCERNS WERE RAISED REGARDING THE USE OF THE PROPERTY FOR EDUCATIONAL BUILDINGS.
UH, THE ATTENDINGS WERE SUPPORTED OF THE USE BY THE SCHOOL FOR THE ATHLETIC FIELDS AND DIDN'T RAISE ANY OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.
UM, STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS FOR THE CASE.
UM, SEPTEMBER 1ST, UH, THE BOARD, THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO VOTE BY FOUR TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON BOTH CASES.
UH, AS AGAIN, MR. BREWER WAS ABSENT.
SO STAFF CONCERNS, UH, GENERALLY RAISED CONSISTENTLY ALONG, UM, RIVER ROAD.
WE DO PROVIDE FOR 100 FOOT BUFFERS.
UM, AGAIN, THE APPLICANTS, UH, PROFFERED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
BUFFER DESIGN FOR THIS AT A L LESSER BUFFER.
UH, LIGHTING OF ATHLETIC VENUES IN THE AREA HAVE NOT BEEN PERMITTED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, SO LIGHTING OF THE TENNIS COURTS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR PRACTICE.
UM, THE RESIDENTIAL USES ARE GOING ON PROPERTY, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, AND THEY HAD TO ASSOCIATED CASH PROFFERS AND THE OTHER REAL ESTATE REVENUE, UM, THE BOARD MAY HOLD, UM, IS OUR TYPICAL PROCESS WITH THIS.
YOU CAN HOLD ONE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH CASES COMBINED, BUT EACH APPLICATION WOULD HAVE TO BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY.
UM, I DIDN'T MENTION UNUSUAL FOR THIS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A, FOR THE CEP P THERE'S NO EXPIRATION DATE.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTUALLY, UM, MOVED FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO NOT HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OF ATHLETIC FIELDS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CASH AT THIS TIME? MS. LUKINS, A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER.
JUST IN GENERAL TERMS, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE BUFFER? MAYBE I SHOULDN'T SAY IN GENERAL TERMS, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE BUFFER IN THIS CASE? WHAT WOULD OUR GENERAL PURPOSES OF THE BUFFER, HOW WOULD THEY APPLY IN THIS? SO GENERAL PURPOSE OF THE BUFFER, UM, ESPECIALLY ALONG RIVER ROAD IS A LITTLE BIT OF AESTHETIC.
AND THEN, UM, TRANSITION TO THE PROPERTY FROM THE ROAD.
UM, USUALLY PROMOTING THE PROVINCE HERE OR WHAT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KEEPING SORT OF THE, THE VISTA, THE FEEL, UM, ALONG RIVER ROAD.
AND THIS SCENARIO ALSO, THE BUFFERS GIVES, IT SERVES A PURPOSE FOR THE, FOR THE ACTIVITY THAT'S UP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
I MEAN, I'M OF THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, I THINK, UM, NATURALLY EYES ARE DRAWN TO MOVEMENT.
UM, IT'S, I THINK THE BUFFER, UM, WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WE SUPPORT THE, THE LESSER BUFFER.
I THINK THE BUFFER DOES SERVE A GOOD, UM, RIGHT PURPOSE IN THIS SCENARIO.
UM, AND YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE LIGHTING ON THE TWO COURTS.
YOU SAID THAT'S NOT STAND, THAT'S NOT OUR STANDARD PRACTICE.
COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? IS THAT, DID, WERE YOU TALKING GEOGRAPH GEOGRAPHICALLY SPECIFIC? RIGHT.
GEOGRAPHICALLY FOR THIS AREA, UH, THE, THE PREVIOUS FIELD, UM, WITH THE ADJACENT BENEDICTINE PROPERTY AND, UM, AND
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OTHERS IN THE AREA CONSISTENTLY, WE DO NOT PREFER THAT THOSE FIELDS BE LIT.YOU'RE SO A, YOU'RE SO CLOSE UP TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
YOU ALSO HAVE THE, THE ISSUES OF POTENTIAL LIGHT CASTING AND ON TWO ROADWAYS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL.
THE REQUEST FOR THE TENNIS COURTS TO ME LIT THERE IS THE PROVISIONS.
OF COURSE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND CONSISTENT WITH OUR, WITH OUR ORDINANCES AND POLICIES.
AND YOUR, AND YOU, YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THE, I THINK THE THIRD CROSS SECTION IN YOUR LITTLE SLIDE DECK SHOWED THE DISTANCE.
CAN YOU GO BACK, UM, AND LOOK AT THE SECTIONS WITH PEMBRO AND THEN YEAH, IF I CAN FIGURE OUT THIS PROPERLY.
AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE NOT THAT ONE, SO THAT BOTTOM ONE.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU, WHAT ARE SOME DISTANCES FROM LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE, I MEAN, HAVE TO COME UP HERE, WALK IT, LOOK WITH YOU.
NO, NO, IT, IT PIXELATES TOO MUCH.
RIGHT? UM, ACTUALLY, I THINK DARWIN HAS SOME BETTER IMAGES IN, IN HIS PRESENTATION.
I FEEL LIKE APPLICANT TO LOOK AT.
IT'S COMING OUT A LITTLE BLURRY.
THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT DARVIN TONIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF AT THIS TIME? THE APPLICANT LIKE TO, MM-HMM.
HE STARTS WITH THE SECOND WHY.
UM, I, I'LL GET TO THE, UM, SETBACK, BUT IT'S TWO THINGS BACK.
FIRST, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GENERATING THE NEED FOR THIS RIGHT NOW? THE, UM, STUDENTS THERE AT ST.
GERTRUD AND BENEDICTINE, THEY ARE ACTUALLY HAVING TO DRIVE 23 MILES OVER FROM THE CURRENT SITE AT THE SCHOOL HERE IN GLAND, UH, TO WHERE THAT INTERCHANGE IS OF 2 88 AND 95.
SO IT'S ABOUT 23 MILE HIKE FOR THEM.
THIS NEW PROPOSAL WILL RELIEVE THAT, UM, THAT NEED FOR TRAVEL.
IT'LL GIVE US THE, THE SITES RIGHT THERE AS PART OF THE SCHOOL THAT WILL, UH, WILL SERVE THE PURPOSE OF THOSE, UM, STUDENTS, AND ALSO SERVES THE PURPOSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN SORT OF A PARK-LIKE SETTING.
BUT, UM, LET ME SEE IF WE CAN EXCUSE RIGHT HERE.
SEE BENEDICT, YOU CAN SEE ROUTE 2 88 THERE ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN.
UH, BEN 18 COLLEGE PREPARATORY.
THIS IS THE AREA RIGHT THERE THAT WE, WE'VE SEEN, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS, YOU'VE SEEN THE OVERVIEW.
WE'VE GOT THE SOCCER, THREE SOCCER FIELDS, TENNIS COURTS, AND THE SOFTBALL NOTICE TOO THAT, UH, IN THE UPPER PART OF THAT SKETCH, WE DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING, WHICH, UH, UH, WE'LL HAVE, I THINK IS VERY BENEFICIAL.
NOT JUST TO THOSE AT THE ATHLETIC EVENTS, BUT OF THESE EVENTS.
BUT ALSO DURING THE FOOTBALL GAMES AND SO FORTH.
WE'LL HAVE ABOUT A, UM, A HUNDRED ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THAT, UH, WILL SERVE, UM, A GREAT DEAL OF THE CONGESTION OF SOME PARKING THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PA IN THE PAST.
UH, WE'VE GOT THE DIMENSIONS ON THERE.
I WILL JUST POINT OUT THOSE IN THE NEXT SLIDES.
BUT YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THERE IS THAT WALKING TRAIL THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE, UM, TO THE FOLKS THERE THAT, UM, YOU ACCESS IT RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN THOSE WALKING TRAILS KIND OF MEANDER THROUGH THIS MORE WOODED AREA THAT'S AVAILABLE BOTH FOR THE STUDENTS AND ALSO FOR THE, UM, FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTS THERE IN PEMBROOK AND THEIR GUESTS.
UH, THIS EXISTING HOUSE, AS THE PROFFERS INDICATE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE RENTED, IT WILL NOT BE, UH, AVAILABLE FOR ACADEMIC USE.
WE'VE, WE'VE GOT IT AVAILABLE FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT MIGHT BE AFFILIATED WITH BENEDICTINE, FOR EXAMPLE.
WE HAVE BOARD MEETINGS AND SO FORTH, UH, THERE AT, UM, AT THE SCHOOL.
IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN FROM OUT OF STATE, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO STAY THERE TEMPORARILY, BUT WE'RE NOT RENTING THIS OUT TO THIRD PARTIES AND TO THE PUBLIC, NOR IS IT BEING USED FOR ACADEMIC PURPOSES.
THERE IS GONNA BE NO ACCESS NOW ON, UH, USING THE PEMBROOK
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LANE.OUR ACCESS IS RATHER IS, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, COMES OUT AND WILL UTILIZE THE EXISTING ACCESS.
SO WE'LL NOT HAVE ANY NEW CUTS ONTO RIVER ROAD AS FAR AS, UH, TRAFFIC COMING INTO, UH, INTO THE MAINSTREAM OF RIVER ROAD.
THIS IS WHAT MR. CASH SHOWED YOU.
I'M GONNA SHOW YOU INDIVIDUALLY THE, UH, SEPARATE SLIDES SO YOU CAN GET A LITTLE BETTER, UH, FEEL FOR WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE.
THE SETBACK, AS MS. CASH INDICATE, IS TO TRY TO DEAL WITH AESTHETICS AND PRIVACY AND SO FORTH.
WE THINK WE DO THIS VERY EFFECTIVELY, AND I WANNA SHOW YOU WHAT I FEEL IS, IS PROBABLY MORE IN A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT THAN JUST A 100 FOOT, UH, BUFFER HERE.
THIS IS THE, THE VIEW THERE LOOKING ON THAT RIVER ROAD SLIDE, IT'S THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE, UH, THOSE THREE THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU.
AND WHAT WE HAVE IS A 20 FOOT BUFFER, UH, AREA FROM THE EDGE OF RIVER ROAD TO WHAT IS GOING TO BE DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY.
BECAUSE IN THE PROFFERS, WE ARE DEDICATING FOR FUTURE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT WOULD IN EFFECT BE 35 FEET FROM THE CENTER LINE.
SO YOU'VE GOT FROM THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT.
NOW, AS FAR AS WHAT PEOPLE CAN SEE, YOU'VE GOT 20 FEET THERE.
IF YOU GO BEYOND THAT, AND THIS IS PART OF THE PROFFERS, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER 50 FEET OF WOODED BUFFER THAT'S IN PLACE.
NOW, THIS IS MA MATURE TREES HERE.
UH, IT'S FAIR IF YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THERE, I'M, I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT THESE ARE, THESE ARE SOME PRETTY, PRETTY, UH, DENSE TREES THROUGH THERE.
SO THIS IS IN THAT AREA THAT'S GONNA GIVE YOU ANOTHER 50 FEET OF BUFFER.
NOW, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE GONNA ADD IN ANOTHER 21 FEET OF LANDSCAPE BUFFER, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE.
SO IF YOU TAKE THAT AREA THAT I'M SHOWING YOU THAT'S AN EFFECTIVE 91 FOOT OF, OF BUFFER THERE, BUT WHAT HAVE YOU GOT BEYOND THAT? NORMALLY THESE BUFFERS, PARTICULARLY IF, IF WE'RE DOING A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AS THE PROJECT, NORMALLY THE BUFFERS ARE BUFFERING THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OR THE, OR THE ROADWAY FROM HOUSES OR STRUCTURES THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN.
WHAT YOU GOT BEYOND THIS IS A SOCCER FIELD.
IT'S A FIELD, IT'S NOT A BUILDING, IT'S NOTHING.
AND IT IS BASICALLY ADDING TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AS 91 FEET OF EFFECTIVE BUFFER.
THAT GETS YOU WELL BEYOND, UH, AS A PRACTICAL MATTER ANY 100 FEET.
BUT THAT'S NOT ALL, BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU'VE GOTTA CONSIDER THE ELEVATIONS.
WE'VE GOTTA A SIX FOOT EMBANKMENT RIGHT HERE.
SO AT GRADE LEVEL FROM, UH, THE EXISTING RIVER ROAD, THAT ELEVATION IS SIX FEET RIGHT THERE.
SO SIX FEET PLUS THE VEGETATED BUFFER PLUS THE TREES.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THOSE FIELDS ANYWAY.
I'M NOT SURE WHY WE WOULD BE HIDING FIELDS, BUT IF THAT'S THE PROBLEM, THEY'RE HIDDEN, YOU JUST CAN'T SEE 'EM.
BUT THAT'S NOT ALL EITHER, BECAUSE WE'VE ALSO PROFFERED A THREE FOOT BEM IN THE AREA THAT THAT LAST ERA IS POINTING TO.
SO THAT'LL BE ELEVATED TO GIVE YOU AN EFFECT, UH, IN EFFECT A NINE FOOT HIGH BARRIER WITH LANDSCAPE VEGETATION ON TOP OF THAT.
SO, AS FAR AS MEETING THE SPIRIT OF BUFFERING THIS MORE THAN, THAN DOES THAT, I MEAN, YOU, YOU COULD DO IT PROBABLY EVEN THOSE TREES WEREN'T THERE WITH THE EMBANKMENT AND THE NINE FEET, BUT, UH, AND THE THREE FEET TO GIVE YOU NINE FEET OF HEIGHT THERE.
BUT WE'VE GOT THOSE TREES WE'RE GONNA PUT IN PLANTED VEGETATION LANDSCAPE ON TOP OF THE, OF THAT, UH, THREE FOOT BEM.
THERE'S JUST NO WAY THAT, UH, THOSE, THAT THOSE FIELDS ARE, ARE GOING TO BE OPEN, UH, FOR ANYBODY GOING, UH, ALONG RIVER ROAD.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WOULD SHOW THE, THE END WHERE THOSE, UH, TENNIS COURTS ARE.
YOU'VE BASICALLY GOT 51 FOOT OF BUFFER FROM PEMBROOK.
UH, WHAT YOU'VE GOT RIGHT HERE IS THE 16 FEET.
YOU GOT NATURAL VEGETATION THERE.
THE TREES THAT ARE ALREADY IN, IN, UH, IN PLACE.
THAT'LL BE A 25 FOOT NATURAL VEGETATION THERE OF EXISTING TREES.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER 10 FOOT BUFFER FROM THAT,
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WHICH WOULD BE LANDSCAPE TO GIVE YOU 51 FEET ALONG PIRO A LAND.NOW THOSE LIGHTS HAVE TO BE BY PROFFER, HAVE TO BE DARK, UM, SKY COMPLIANT.
THEY HAVE TO BE THAT ANYWAY BY CODE THAT'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE PLANT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THE, THE COUNTY STAFF WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE ONES THAT WOULD SEE THE DETAIL OF THAT WHEN IT WENT INTO PLACE.
BUT I WANT TO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THOSE LIGHTS AND, AND HOW THEY COME INTO BEING IS THE NEIGHBORS IN PEMBRO ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE REQUESTED THE LIGHTS.
AND I UNDER, AND THIS IS WHY, I MEAN, IF, IF THE STUDENTS ARE OUT THERE PRACTICING AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING THE FACILITIES, THE TENNIS TEAMS THERE, WHATEVER, I UNDERSTAND THAT AFTER THEY FINISH PRACTICING, IT MAY, THE LIGHTING MAY BE GETTING DIMMER.
AND SO IF THEY'RE GONNA USE IT, THEY, THEY WANT TO HAVE LIGHTS.
WE, WE AS A SCHOOL DON'T NEED THOSE LIGHTS, BUT WE HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE WOULD, UH, PROFFER THOSE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IF THEY'RE DARK SKY COMPLIANT, THE STAFF IS GONNA GO THROUGH AND APPROVE ANY PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT BEFORE WE COULD EVEN PUT THOSE LIGHTS INTO PLACE.
AND I THINK IT SERVES A GOOD PURPOSE, NOT JUST FOR THE SCHOOL, BUT FOR THE ADJOINING, UH, NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
SO THERE ARE THOSE LIGHTS THERE.
THIS IS, I, I WON'T GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN, BUT THIS IS PEMBROKE LANE.
SIMPLY SHOWING IT, YOU HAVE THE SAME SETBACKS, BUT SIMPLY SHOWING IT UP ON THE RIVER ROAD IN LOOKING BACK TOWARD, UM, PEMBROKE LANE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS OVERALL, WE THINK IT HAS A NUMBER OF BENEFITS, NOT, UH, NOT ONLY FOR THE SCHOOL AND, AND ELIMINATING THAT 23 MILE HIKE THAT THOSE STUDENTS ARE MAKING EVERY DAY.
BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT ALSO IMPROVES THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS, UH, ON RIVER ROAD.
WHEN SCHOOL IS OUT AND THE STUDENTS ARE LEAVING, ALL OUR ATHLETES THAT WOULD WOULD BE USING THESE FIELDS NOW HAVE TO LEAVE AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THEY'RE ALL DUMPING OUT ON THE RIVER ROAD.
THEY'RE HEADED OVER TO THAT FACILITY NEAR 2 95, UM, AT, UM, NEAR 95.
BUT IF WE CAN HAVE THIS, THOSE STUDENT ATHLETES DON'T NEED TO LEAVE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE LEAVING AT A LATER TIME, WHICH IS GONNA DISPERSE YOUR TRAFFIC, UH, A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT I THINK IS A BENEFIT NOT ONLY TO THE STUDENTS, IS A BENEFIT TO THE TRAFFIC THAT'S UTILIZING RIVER ROAD.
YOU GOT THE A HUNDRED NEW PARKING SPACES.
I KNOW DURING OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ASK ABOUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD, COULD DO WITH RESPECT TO PARKING DURING SOME OF THE MAJOR EVENTS LIKE THE FOOTBALL GAMES? THIS DOES IT.
THIS PROVIDES INTERIOR PARKING, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT ALONG THE STREETS, BUT RIGHT THERE WHERE WE'LL HAVE PARKING FACILITIES.
UM, WE'LL ALSO HAVE WHAT IS IN EFFECT A, A PARK LIKE WALKING TRAIL AND TENNIS COURTS FOR THE FOLKS THERE IN PEMBROOK AND PEMBROOK.
AND THEY'RE, UH, INVITED GUESTS.
SO WE THINK IT'S NOT JUST A BENEFIT FOR THE SCHOOL, IT'S A BENEFIT FOR, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
I KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY VOTED ON THIS, AND IN THEIR RESOLUTION, THEY POINTED OUT THAT IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THEY CHECKED OFF AND SAID, IT DOES ENCOURAGE THE GOAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR BALANCED DEVELOPMENT THAT CONTRIBUTES TO WELFARE, THAT PRESERVES THE RURAL CHARACTER.
AND IT DOES, IT PROVIDES YOU A PARK LIKE, UM, A FACILITY THERE THAT SERVES A PURPOSE OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I KNOW, UH, MR. CASH MENTIONED THAT THEY RECOMMEND THAT THERE NOT BE A TIME LIMIT ON THIS.
AND PART OF THE, THE REASONING THERE IS, THERE HAVE BEEN PREVIOUS ZONINGS ON THIS.
WE HAD THE ZONING WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS INITIALLY PUT IN PLACE.
THERE'S NO TIME LIMIT ON ANY OF THAT.
WE HAD WHEN SAINT UH, GERTRUD CAME IN AND THE, THE GIRLS HAD THEIR EXPANDED FACILITY, THERE'S NO TIME LIMIT ON THAT.
IF THIS WERE TO BE, UH, APPROVED TONIGHT.
IT'S PART AND PARCEL OF ONE, UH, INTEGRATED SCHOOL SYSTEM.
IT SIMPLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DISSECT THIS OUT AND HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON IT WHEN THE REST OF YOUR SCHOOL IS, IS NOT, IT'S SIMPLY, UH, PART AND PARCEL OF, OF ONE OVERALL ACTIVITY.
SO WE WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
ARE WE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, MR. WILKINS? I WAS, I'M TRYING TO READ THE PROFFERS AND, AND SO IN OUR NEXT CASE, THERE'S ONE CONDITION, RIGHT? THERE'S YES, SIR.
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CONDITION.SO, AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT, BUT THE PROFFER STATEMENT, LET ME JUMP TO THE PAGE PROFFER STATEMENT ON PAGE 180 8 OF OUR PDF.
AND MR. SATTER, I'LL COME BACK TO YOU IN A SECOND.
JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT THING FIRST.
THE PROFFER SUBMISSIONS ON PAGE 180 8 OF OUR PACKET, THE PDF, IT'S ACTUALLY THE NUMBER ON THE PAGE IS, YEP.
THE NUMBERED AT THE BOTTOM IS THAT TWO PAGE DOCUMENT.
THAT TWO PAGE DOCUMENT IS THE CURRENT PROFFERS THAT ARE WITH THIS APPLICATION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND I SAW THE ONE CONDITION IN THE NEXT CASE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO MY QUESTION THEN FOR, I THINK YOU SAID THAT THIS TRAIL AROUND WILL BE OPEN TO BENEDICTINE FACULTY, GUESTS, UH, STUDENTS, ET CETERA, AND, AND THE HOUSE AND INVITES AND GUESTS, BUT YOU ALSO SAID IT'S OPEN TO THE NEIGHBOR TO PEMBRO SUBDIVISION RESIDENTS AND THEIR INVITEES.
I, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT BY POSTING SOME SIGNAGE AND, AND, AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, BUT THAT LIMITATION IS NOT IN, IN ANY, IN ANY PROFFER OR THERE'S, RIGHT, THERE'S NO PROFFER RELATED TO THE USE OF THE PROPERTY BY THE ADJACENT PEMBROKE.
UM, THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN THE CASE.
BUT, BUT AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, RIGHT? THE REASON IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IS A PRACTICAL MATTER.
IT'S VERY PRETTY REAL LIMITATION CUZ IT'S A PHYSICAL LIMITATION.
AND IT'S THIS PEMBROKE'S A GATED COMMUNITY.
SO THE PUBLIC ACCESS, YOU KNOW, COMING IN OFF OF RIVER ROAD AND SAYING, OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA USE THE TENNIS COURTS OR THE JOGGING TRAILS OR WHATEVER.
ACCESS IS REALLY ONLY AVAILABLE AS A PRACTICAL MATTER BEING A GATED COMMUNITY TO THE PEMBROKE RESIDENTS.
I, I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A, IF I'VE LIVED IN PEMBROKE AND YOU'RE DOING THIS NEXT DOOR AND YOU'VE MADE PROMISES TO ME THAT, HEY, WE'LL WE'LL PUT THE LIGHTING HERE FOR THESE TWO TENNIS COURTS SO FOLKS CAN USE IT AND YOU CAN WALK AND JOG AROUND THE TRAIL IF OUR PEMBROKE RESIDENTS AND COMING HERE, I WAS JUST LIKE, WHERE CAN WE GET THAT IN WRITING? WELL, THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE REALLY DEALING WITH THE SCHOOL USES, AND I'M TELLING YOU WHY, YOU KNOW, I'M TELLING YOU WHY THE LIGHTS ARE THERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ADDRESS NEEDS OTHER THAN THE SCHOOL NEEDS OUTSIDE OF, OF THE, BUT YOU COULD PUT IT IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'D PUT IT IN THE PROFFERS AT THIS POINT, BUT, WELL, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU.
YEAH, NO, I'M NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO ON THE PROFFERS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THAT, RIGHT.
IF, IF, IF THE COMMUNITY IS NOT HERE AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A PUBLIC HEARING YET, BUT RIGHT.
SO, UM, IF FOLKS ARE NOT HERE TO EXPRESS OPPOSITION BECAUSE THEIR EXPECTATION IS WE'LL BE ABLE TO WALK ON THIS TRAIL, WILL BE ABLE TO USE THE TENNIS COURTS, I'M JUST CAUTIOUS THAT WHAT IF SOMETHING CHANGES AND TIME PASSES AND LEADERSHIP CHANGES AT BENEDICTINE.
AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT IN WRITING ANYWHERE.
I, I WILL SAY THIS, WHICH ISN'T ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS, JUST GIVING YOU SOME INFORMATION, BUT I WILL WILL SAY THIS, CURRENTLY THE ATHLETIC FIELDS THAT WE DO HAVE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TRACKS AND SO FORTH ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC USE.
ESSENTIALLY, THOSE WHO WOULD, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL, WILL COME IN THERE.
AND WE DO WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS ON THAT.
THE, THE, I'M NOT SUGGESTING, BUT I UNDERSTAND.
NO, I, THE FLIP SIDE OF ALL OF THIS THOUGH IS, WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR US TO PUT IT IN THE ZONING PROS, IS THAT IF THERE IS AN ABUSE OF THAT, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THERE WILL BE, BUT IF HYPOTHETICALLY THERE'S A, AN ABUSE OF THE USE IN SOME WAY, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
WE, WE, WE'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
WE'VE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS FOR A LONG TIME.
WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE, BUT UM, I SEE I HAVE SOMEONE TO JOIN ME.
I'M STEP EDIS AND UH, GOOD EVENING.
UM, WHEN I SOLD THE PROPERTY TO BENEDICT TEAM, WE HAVE RESTRICTED COVENANTS IN PLACE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO USE THE TENNIS COURTS.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE WALKING TRAIL, BUT THE, THE INTENT WAS FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO USE THE TENNIS COURT.
SO THAT IS A PRIVATE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE, UM, BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS.
WELL, PRIVATE AGREEMENT, BUT, BUT IF IT'S RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, IT MUST BE RECORDED.
PRIVATE, BUT, BUT PUBLIC RECORD.
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CORRECT? YES, SIR.AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET INTO THE WEEDS, BUT I'M, I, I JUST AM THINKING IF, IF PEOPLE ARE NOT HERE RIGHT, BECAUSE PROMISES HAVE BEEN MADE RIGHT.
AND THEN, THEN I KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO PROTECT THOSE PROMISES.
AND I'M, AND I'M SORT OF ON BOTH SIDES, RIGHT? I WANT THIS TO PASS.
AND I ALSO WANT THE GREAT THINGS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS WE REALLY WANTED THE LIGHTS, UM, FOR THE NEIGHBORS AFTER HOURS.
THE, THE WALKING TRAIL CAME KIND OF AFTER WE DID THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE LIGHTS AND WHEN WE SOLD THE PROPERTY TO 'EM, SO.
UM, BUT THE INTENTS THERE AND THEY'VE BEEN GREAT NEIGHBORS.
SO, SO LAST QUESTION, AND I DON'T WANNA GET AHEAD OF THE PUBLIC HEARING CUZ WE HAVEN'T HEARD CONCERNS.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS LOOKING FOR, HONESTLY, IN THESE PROFFERS WELL, YOU AND THE DARK SKY LIGHTING IS TAKEN CARE OF BY ORDINANCE.
SO, SO THAT'S, AND, AND MR. CWA, YOU, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING, IT JUST SAYS ONLY TWO TENNIS COURTS HAVE HEARD TO HAVE LIGHTING HAS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
IS THERE A TIME LIMIT ON THE CAN, CAN I GO OUT THERE AND PLAY TENNIS AT THREE IN THE MORNING? WELL, TH THAT CAME UP AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT, THAT QUESTION CAME UP AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE DO ON OUR LIGHTING AND MR. GRAPES IS HERE TONIGHT, BUT WE, WE, ALL OF OUR LIGHTING GOES OFF EXCEPT FOR SECURITY LIGHTING AROUND 10 O'CLOCK, I BELIEVE EARLIER, EIGHT, EIGHT EARLIER THAN THAT.
SO WE, SO THOSE LIGHTS WOULD HAVE TO, AS, AS IS THE POLICY FOR THE WHOLE SCHOOL OTHER THAN SECURITY LIGHTING, THEY, THEY WOULD BE GOING DOWN.
THAT, THANK YOU MR. PETER, MR. MR. PETERSON, MR. JAR, I HAVE ONE QUESTION REAL QUICK.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION BY THE WAY.
UM, SOMETHING OCCURRED TO ME, UH, IS THERE ANY INTENTION, UM, OF HAVING, UM, TOURNAMENT ACTIVITY THERE, IS THERE ANY RESTRICTION AGAINST THE ABILITY TO DO THAT? I MEAN, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE GET FROM TIME TO TIME IS, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH BALL FIELDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC, WHAT KIND OF FOLKS YOU MENTIONED THE REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE, RIGHT? WOULD THERE BE AN, AN INFLUX AT ANY POINT IF THERE'S A, A TOURNAMENT? I UNDERSTAND MAYBE SCRIMMAGES, MAYBE YOU WANT ANOTHER TEAM TO COME IN OR SOMETHING.
BUT YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS MAN, AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, THE SOFTBALL WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, LEND IT HEALTH TO THAT BECAUSE YOU NEED MULTIPLE FIELDS.
WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE THREE SOCCER FIELDS, BUT, UM, THESE ARE GENERALLY USED FOR PRACTICE PURPOSES.
BUT I, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA STEP INTO AN AREA THAT I'M NOT, UH, THAT FAMILIAR WITH CUZ FUNCTIONALLY HOW THEY WOULD BE USED.
MR. GRAVES COULD PROBABLY ADDRESS THAT BETTER THAN I COULD.
MAYBE MR. GRAVES, CAN SHE SOME LIGHT ON OUR YEAH.
I'M A RESIDENT 3, 2, 2 COUNTY DISTRICT.
UM, ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE BENING SCHOOL, RICHMOND, WHICH BEN, I THINK THIS WENT OFF.
IF YOU COULD JUST PRESS THE, CHRIS, PRESS THE BUTTON THERE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY ALL THAT AGAIN?
UM, JESSE GRAPES PRESIDENT 3 22 RIVERSIDE COURT.
UH, MR. PETERSON'S, DISTRICT PRESIDENT OF THE BENING SCHOOLS OF RICHMOND, WHICH INCLUDES BEN DEAN IN ST.
GOOD TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN.
UM, THIS IS OUR THIRD CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HEARING DURING MY TIME AT THE SCHOOLS.
UM, AND TO ANSWER MR. PEARSON'S QUESTION, IT IS NOT OUR INTENT.
THE, THE, THE INTENT OF THESE IS NOT TO HOST TOURNAMENTS OR CREATE SOME NEW ACTIVITY.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY HOST ANY TOURNAMENTS AT THOSE ATHLETIC FIELDS, UH, THAT YOU SAW OUT NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF 2 95 AND, AND 95.
IT'S SIMPLY TO RELOCATE THAT ACTIVITY, UH, ON CAMPUS AND, AND, AND PREVENT STUDENT DRIVING, RIGHT? SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT TO CREATE SOME NEW ACTIVITY.
UH, AND WE DO NOT, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE DON'T RENT OUT OUR FIELDS TO, UH, LARGE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE KICKERS OR STRIKERS OR, YOU KNOW, THESE OTHER ORGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OCCUPY A LOT OF REAL ESTATE AND CREATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THE, ON THE WEEKENDS.
UH, WE DON'T DO THAT ON OUR CURRENT CAMPUS NOW.
UM, IT, IT'S NOT OUR INTENT TO BEGIN DOING THAT IN THE FUTURE.
WE'RE USING ALL OF THESE FIELDS.
UH, SO THERE'S REALLY NOT EVEN THE TIME FOR THAT.
UM, WE'RE USING THEM FOR OUR OWN STUDENTS AND WE HAVE TWO SCHOOLS, RIGHT, BENEDICTINE AND ST.
SO, UM, THERE'S REALLY NO SPACE FOR THAT.
AND THE ONLY TIME THAT THERE WOULD BE IS ON SUNDAYS.
AND WE ARE A CATHOLIC SCHOOL, AND ACCORDING TO OUR LOCAL BISHOP, WE ARE NOT, UH, PROHIBITED.
AND WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS CONCEPT OF NOT HAVING STUDENT ACTIVITIES ON CAMPUS ON SUNDAYS SO THAT STUDENTS WILL BE WITH THEIR, THEIR FAMILIES.
UM, SO THAT'S OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR US, UM, AS WELL.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. UH, IT DID.
IN TERMS OF YOUR, UH, PAST PRACTICES AND YOUR INTENTIONS GOING
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FORWARD, UM, THE LAST PART OF THAT QUESTION WAS, IS THERE ANY RESTRICTION, UH, IN THE PROFFERS THAT WOULD RESTRICT YOUR ABILITY TO DO THAT? MAY I HELP? I, I HAD SIMILAR CONCERNS.SO LET ME LET JUST READ ONE SENTENCE HERE.
THAT'S THE PROFFER NUMBER ONE, AND I WAS THINKING IT COVERS IT.
THE LAND USES ON THE PROPERTY SHALL BE LIMITED TO ATHLETIC FIELDS AND RELATED BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES AND IMPROVEMENTS USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EDUCATIONAL FUNCTIONS OF THE BENEDICTINE SCHOOLS OF RICHMOND, INC.
TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF ITS STUDENTS.
SO I KIND OF READ THAT, THAT RENTING OUT AND DOING ALL THESE OTHER, IT'S FOR OUR STUDENTS NOT SERVING ITS STUDENTS.
UM, IT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN INWARD LOOKING STATEMENT THAT SERVE OUR STUDENTS AS OPPOSED TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY OF THE GENERAL AREA, BROADER SOCCER COMMUNITY.
RIGHT, OR, OR CAUSE I MEAN, AS YOU CORRECTLY POINT OUT, SOME OF THESE TOURNAMENTS JUST ABSORBED ALL THE CAPACITY IN THE REGION MM-HMM.
BUT, UM, IN THE PAST YOU'VE RESISTED THAT TEMPTATION.
AND THAT'S OUR INTENT GOING FORWARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PORT BEFORE WE'RE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MR. CASH, ARE WE GOING, HAVE YOU DONE THE COMBINED PRESENTATION OR DO WE NEED TO DO THE PRESENTATION FOR THE SECOND PIECE? UH, NO, THEY WERE TOGETHER.
UM, THERE WAS REALLY THAT THEY WERE ALL COMBINED ACTIVITY.
THE ONE SLIDE THAT WAS TRULY THE CONDITIONAL USE WAS SAY MEET THE PROFFERS OF THE PREVIOUS CASE.
SO SAY THAT, SO THE REZONING CASE WOULD'VE BEEN FIRST, I HAD A LITTLE HELP FROM MY ATTORNEY, BUT, UM, THE PROPER, I, OUR ATTORNEY, YOU SHARE MY ATTORNEY, THE PROFFER I JUST READ MAY CUT AGAINST THE NEIGHBORHOOD USE OF THE TENNIS COURTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO, YOU WANNA LOOK AT THAT, BUT, BUT IF I, IF YOU READ IT LIKE I'M, I'M TRYING TO READ IT TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN I HAD THAT MR. PETERSON RAISED YOU, YOU MIGHT, IT MIGHT ALSO BE USED TO SAY NEIGHBOR'S NOT ALLOWED.
WELL, EXCEPT WHEN YOU READ YOUR PROFFERS AND THE, AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE, YOU'RE TO READ THEM IN HARMONY, RIGHT.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU COULD SAY, I THINK WE WOULD BE HARD PRESSED IF YOU GRANTED THIS WITH THESE PROFFERS TO GO IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE TRICKED YOU.
YOU CAN'T DO WE, WE, THEY, THEY CAN'T GO IN HERE BECAUSE THIS SAYS NOBODY ELSE CAN.
WELL, ONCE IT SAYS THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S AVAILABLE TO TO THEM.
SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT THEY CAN USE WHERE, WHERE IS THAT PROFFER THAT SAYS THEY CAN, WELL, IF IT'S NOT THERE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM PUTTING IT IN, IN A CON.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT PUTTING IT IS THAT KINDA WHAT I WAS ASKING IN THE BEGINNING.
NOW THAT MY BRAINS CATCHING UP WITH WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU DANCED AROUND IT A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT I WAS ASKING EARLIER.
IF I'M IN PEMBROKE, LIKE WHERE'S SOMETHING IN CASH? UM, SORRY.
I'M ONE OF CONCERNS IF, IF WE OPEN UP ANOTHER PARTY TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS AND YOU'RE, AS FAR AS THAT CONDITION, SEE I'M IS PUT THE ENFORCEMENT UPON, UH, GIN AS TO WHO IS, YOU KNOW, WHO IS PERMITTED TO BE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, FROM STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW THAT WOULD, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A PROFFER THAT WOULD'VE BEEN LIKELY ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR JOB WAS THAT FOR THE CASE IS REALLY TO MAKE SURE THE USES FUNCTION.
AND AS FOR THE USE OF THE SCHOOL, THAT WAS SORT OF THE AGREEMENT OF ALLOWING IT TO BE IN THIS, THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA FOR THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE ATTORNEY AND I COULD TALK REALLY HOW WE'D BE ABLE TO ENFORCE SUCH A CONDITION FOR THAT ONE.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT EARLY ON IN THIS CASE WE TALKED ABOUT NOT INCLUDING A PROFFER THAT WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS THE OTHER THING, IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TOURNAMENT ACTIVITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO DO AN ADDITIONAL PROFFER FOR THAT, UM, AS WELL.
SO, SO GIST OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE WANNA BE CAREFUL ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING TO POLICE, UH, OR POTENTIALLY YEAH.
I MEAN, CUZ IT'S REALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THERE'S TWO SEPARATE PARTIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS FOR US TO, TO DO, YOU KNOW, TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, I GUESS I WOULD BE CONCERNED AS A STAFF FOR US TO, HOW DO WE KNOW IF IT'S SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN PEMBROKE OR NOT, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL.
UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T EXPLORE DURING THE CASE AS FAR AS OFFERING CONDITIONS FOR IT UNDER UNDERSTOOD.
MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO, TO, I, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND I FEEL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE TRYING TO GET IN AN ADVOCATE, BUT AGAIN, I THINK I'M, A LOT OF WHAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS, AND THIS HAS GONE SMOOTHLY CUZ YOU ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH COMMUNICATING TO,
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YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH I, I KNOW I'VE, I'VE TOURED THE PLACE AND, UH, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS GOING ON AND, AND I THINK YOU'RE ADDRESSING CONCERNS THAT DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THAT.I JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO PULL UP SHORT WITH COMMUNITY'S EXPECTATIONS.
I'M NOT HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR PEMBROKE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, Y'ALL ARE IN A GOOD POSITION TO HONOR WHATEVER AGREEMENTS YOU HAVE AND RIGHT.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE POLICING IT.
UM, BUT, BUT I, I WILL SAY THIS AND, UM, I THINK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S, RIGHT, IT'S NOT IN HERE THAT YOU, YOU CAN AFFIRMATIVELY ENFORCE IT.
I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH, WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANY OBJECTION, UH, WITH RESPECT TO A CONDITION, TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHICH Y'ALL CAN PUT IN AND, AND, AND YOU DO FROM TIME TO TIME.
YOU PUT IN CONDITIONS, UH, THAT COME OUT OF YOUR COMMENTS AND DISCUSSIONS.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD WANT THAT TYPE OF CONDITION THAT IT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS OF PEMBROOK AND THEIR GUESTS UNDER, UNDER RULES AND REGULATIONS AND REASONABLE USE FOR LIMITATIONS RESTRICTIONS.
WE DON'T OPPOS RULES IMPOSE, WE CERTAINLY DON'T OPPOSE THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S THAT, THAT IS OUR INTENTION.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S CERTAINLY FINE.
I THINK MY, MY CONCERN WITH THIS BEING A LAND USE CASE IS THAT I'M ALMOST THINKING WE NEED TO MAKE OUR DECISION NOT ON WHETHER THE RESIDENTS CAN USE IT OR NOT.
WE SHOULD BE MAKING IT ON AND JU THE MERITS OF THIS BEING A FIELD FOR THE STUDENTS AND THEN THE SCHOOL DECIDES WHAT THEY THEY DO OTHERWISE WE'RE GETTING INTO MORE USES THAT I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, I DON'T, I GUESS YOU COULD ARGUE THAT IT IS WITHIN OUR BOUNDS, BUT I KIND OF FEEL WHETHER YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING UP LIGHTS FOR THE RESIDENTS.
THAT'S NOT WEIGHING INTO MY CONSIDERATION FOR THE LAND USE CASE.
IT'S, IS THIS THE RIGHT USE FOR THIS LAND AND DEVOID OF, OF WHETHER THE RESIDENTS OF, OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CAN USE IT OR NOT? JUST MY 2 CENTS.
YEAH, NO, I MEAN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UM, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT APPOINT MR. MR CHAIR, WHICH IS, WE'VE GOT AN APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US.
APPLICANTS BROUGHT US AN APPLICATION ASKING FOR REZONING AND, UH, CONDITIONAL USE AND WE'LL NEED TO GET, DECIDE ON THAT.
NOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE A, A PARALLEL OTHER AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE HOA AND THE SCHOOL.
WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S IN CONFLICT OR NOT WITH THIS IS SOMETHING FOR THE APPLICANT TO SORT THROUGH, NOT FOR US TO SORT THROUGH IS IS MY TAKE ON THAT.
SO, UM, I MEAN MY, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT NOT CREATING A COUNTRY CLUB AND CHARGING DUES AND FEES AND CREATING AN ORGANIZATION AROUND THIS IS REALLY JUST MORE OF AN ACCOMMODATION THAN A, BUT THE TITLE STILL BELONGS TO THE LAND, STILL BELONGS TO THE SCHOOL AND THEY CONTROL THEIR, THEIR LIABILITY AND OTHERWISE.
SO, UH, I THINK, YEAH, LET'S FOCUS ON THE APPLICATION AND, AND SORT THROUGH THAT.
AND THEN THE, WHETHER THE OTHER THINGS WERE IN HARMONY OR NOT IS, IS, UH, ONE BETWEEN THE OTHER TWO PARTIES OF THE OTHER AGREEMENT AS OPPOSED TO WE'RE NOT A PART OF THAT AGREEMENT.
I GUESS I, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE CAUSE WE, WE, WE CAN MOVE, WE GET TO OUR DISCUSSION POINT TOO.
SO I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW TO HEAR WHAT THE POST HAVE TO SAY, THEN WE CAN WRAP IT UP AT THE END.
SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, MR. CHAIRMAN AND, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AGAIN, MY NAME IS RANDY TAB.
I LIVE IN, UH, RIVER ROAD HILLS, WHICH, EXCUSE ME, JAMES RIVER STATES.
I RECOGNIZE THAT ANY COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE, BUT IT IS A WRITTEN INTENTION THAT FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THIS PARTICULAR BOARD OR FROM GLAND COUNTY TO OFFER THE GUIDANCE IN THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL, AGRICULTURAL AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES FOR ITS CITIZENS.
AND IN RELIANCE ON THAT, THIS PARTICULAR PUBLISHED DOCUMENT, THE CITIZENS DECIDE WHERE THEY WANT TO LIVE.
THEY DECIDE WHERE THEY WANNA INVEST THEIR MONEY, THEY DECIDE WHERE THEY WANNA RAISE THEIR FAMILIES, TRUSTING THAT THE COUNTY WILL FOLLOW ITS OWN WRITTEN DOCUMENT, WHICH REALLY AT THE TIME IS THE LAW OF THE COUNTY.
WHEN THEY DECIDE PARENTS DO INDEED DECIDE WHERE THEY WANNA LIVE AND RAISE THEIR FAMILIES BY PROXIMITY OF TRAFFIC DENSITY, THE PROXIMITY OF FIELDS OF ATHLETIC ACTIVITIES AND BUSY FIELDS.
THESE THINGS CERTAINLY FACTORED INTO MY WIFE AND MY DECISION.
WHEN IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WE MOVED FROM THE BUSY HENRICO COUNTY TO GIN COUNTY, WE MOVED TO JAMES RIVER
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STATES, JUST A HALF MILE EAST OF WHERE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS.AT THAT TIME, BENEDICTINE WAS A QUIET A AND ONLY IN ABB.
BUT A FEW YEARS LATER, DINE SCHOOL DECIDED TO WANT TO MOVE THERE.
WE WERE VISITED BY A REPRESENTATIVE FROM BEEN ADDICTING SCHOOL AT TIME WHO TOLD US THAT THEIR ONLY DESIRE WAS TO HAVE A SCHOOL THERE.
I THINK THEY WERE STILL USING THE FIELDS AT THAT TIME WHEN THEY WOULD COME OUT FROM IN TOWN.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
THEY MOVED INTO THE PARTICULAR FOOTPRINT OF THE BENEDICTINE A AT THE TIME, NOTHING MORE.
AND WE WERE CONCERN CONCERNED THOUGH ABOUT THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
BUT I THINK THE COUNTY TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT AT THE TIME AND I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF ASKING THE STUDENTS TO ENTER FROM THE WEST.
AND INDEED THEY DID TO MY, THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE.
BUT ONLY A COUPLE MONTHS LATER, AFTER THE SCHOOL MOVED THERE AT THE END OF MY STREET, THERE WAS AN INSTANT WHERE A BUNCH OF, UH, STUDENTS DECIDED TO HAVE A PARTY AND THEY HAD TO CALL THE COUNTY DEPUTY SHERIFFS COME AND BREAK IT UP.
I THINK THEY RESOLVED THAT IN A COOPERATIVE WAY AND THERE WAS NO LONGER SEEMED TO BE ANY PROBLEM THERE.
AND I STILL HEAR ON WEEKDAYS, WELL AS WEEK WEEKENDS, WHO'S ON FIRST BASE, WHO'S GONNA BE, UH, SUBSTITUTING FOR THE PICTURES BECAUSE I'M ONLY A HALF MILE FROM THERE.
I HEAR IT BY THE PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEM.
SO THERE IS A NOISE FACTOR WHERE I'M LIVING RIGHT NOW.
THEN A FEW YEARS LATER, WE LEARNED THAT THE WHOLE OF ST.
TUDES WANTED TO MOVE INTO THAT SAME FOOTPRINT.
NOW THESE MORE STUDENTS, YOU MIGHT THINK THEY MIGHT ENTER FROM THE WEST AND MAYBE THEY DO IN THE MORNINGS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE PARENTS DON'T ENTER FROM THE WEST.
AND WHEN THEY LEAVE SCHOOL, THEY DON'T COME BACK OUT TO THE WEST.
THEY COME DOWN EAST ON RIVER ROAD.
NOW VISITORS DO THE SAME THING.
IF THEY WANNA GO TO A GAME, THEY GO UP RIVER ROAD WEST WESTBOUND, AND THEY COME BACK DOWN RIVER ROAD.
NOW I WANNA POINT OUT TO YOU ALL THAT WITHIN ONE MILE OF MY RESIDENT, THERE ARE 11 ATHLETIC FIELDS AND 13 TENNIS COURTS AT THE COLLEGIATES BLAIR ROAD COMPLEX AT ST.
THERE ARE THREE ATHLETIC FIELDS CURRENTLY THAT'S 32 ATHLETIC FIELDS POTENTIALLY FUNCTIONING ON THE JAMES RIVER WITHIN JAMES RIVER STATES AS THE EPICENTER ON ANY PARTICULAR DAY.
WHEN YOU ADD THAT WITH THE THREE FIELDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY HAD BENEDICTINE, NOW YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO ADD SIX MORE TENNIS COURTS, FOUR MORE ATHLETIC FIELDS, AND 145 PARKING SPACES.
THAT WOULD BE 42 ATHLETIC SITES WITHIN ABOUT A MILE RADIUS OF MY HOUSE.
PLEASE STOP THIS ATHLETIC FIELD CREEP.
PLEASE STOP THIS INCREASE OF TRAFFIC.
AS I SAID, ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, MY WIFE HAD MOVED OUT THERE FROM THE BUSY UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND AREA IN HENRICO COUNTY.
THAT WAS OUR PURPOSE BECAUSE IT WAS A QUIET AIR.
BUT NOW THE WISDOM OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS BEING PUT IN JEOPARDY TO UP IN THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE THE ST GURUS LADIES NOW WANT AN ATHLETIC LOCATION TO WHICH THEY CAN WALK.
NOW, I DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WERE BUSING TO 23 MILES FROM THERE NOW, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT ST.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MOST OF THE COLLEGIATE STUDENTS DO.
THEY'RE BUS THERE WHERE THEY DRIVE THERE.
RIGHT NOW I JUST ASKED THAT YOU PROTECT THE COVENANT THAT WAS MADE WITH THE COUNTIES WHEN THEY SET THIS PROPERTY UP AS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
NOW I'M A LIFELONG CITY OF RICHMOND RESIDENT OR THE RICHMOND AREA, AND I'VE ALWAYS ADMIRED BENEDICTINE SCHOOL.
I'VE ALWAYS ADMIRED GER TURT ST.
BUT I DO ASK THAT THESE TWO SCHOOLS NOW THAT ARE TRYING TO EXPAND AND CREEP THIS FOOTPRINT, WEST EASTWARD DOWN RIVER ROAD, BE PUT TO A STOP.
WE WHO ARE THE ADJACENT LAND OWNERS DON'T NEED THE EXTRA TRAFFIC.
WE DON'T NEED THE EXTRA NOISE, WE DON'T NEED THE EXTRA PARTICIPATION ON THAT ROAD.
SO I RESPECTFULLY ASK TO DO WHAT THIS CURRENT LAND USE ORDINANCE SAYS.
KEEP THIS PROPERTY IN RESIDENTIAL.
I ASK THAT YOU DO YOUR DUTY TO FOLLOW THE PREVIOUS BOARDS OF DIRECTORS, THE BOARDS OF SUPERVISORS IN THIS AREA.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO TRY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? JOHNSON LYLE 1521 MANNEKIN ROAD.
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UM, I DID ATTEND A COMMUNITY MEETING AND, UH, DID NOT, UH, HAVE ANYTHING BUT UM, INFORMATION GIVEN TO ME.I APPRECIATE THE, UH, INTEREST IN ADHERENCE TO THE COMP PLAN.
I'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT IN SAYING COMP PLAN IS A GREAT GUIDANCE.
UH, AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THIS BOARD HAS LOOKED AT THE COMP PLAN AS GUIDANCE AND, AND NOT NECESSARILY, UM, IF YOU WILL CUT AND GRANT IT, UH, SOMETIMES TO MY CHAGRIN.
BUT, UM, THAT NOTWITHSTANDING IN THIS INSTANCE IS I'VE EVALUATED WHAT THE, UM, BENEFIT OF GRANTING THIS C U AND THIS REZONING, I SHOULD SAY WOULD BE IS THAT, UH, THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIMINISH TRAFFIC BECAUSE YOU AREN'T GONNA HAVE STUDENTS LEAVING THE CAMPUS AND TRAVELING.
THEY WOULD BE WALKING AS WAS JUST OBSERVED.
UH, SO I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ANY INCREASE IN TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE, BUT THE LAND IS GONNA BE REPURPOSED FROM RESIDENTIAL AND, UH, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT I'M SURE IF WE SAT DOWN AND SAID HOW MUCH TRAFFIC WOULD BE GENERATED FROM, I BELIEVE IT WAS 11 ADDITIONAL HOUSING SPOTS ON THAT PARCEL, UH, WE MIGHT FIND THAT THE TRAFFIC INCIDENT WOULD BE MORE THAN WHAT WOULD OCCUR SHOULD THIS BE REZONED TO, UH, USE FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS.
SO IT IT'S, IT'S A BIT OF A AXONS RAZOR, I SUPPOSE, WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT BENEFITS AND DETRIMENTS ON BOTH SIDES.
BUT HAVING SAT THROUGH THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND THEN TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS REZONING.
UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BENEFIT TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON RIVER ROAD BECAUSE STUDENTS ARE NOT GONNA BE EXITING AND, UH, THEY'LL BE WALKING.
AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE.
ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE ELSE? I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING JUST THAT.
DID YOU WANT ADDRESS ANYTHING THAT YOU HEARD OR JUST WE CAN JUST, JUST BRIEFLY AS CHAIRMAN, AS I MENTIONED INITIALLY, I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION POINTED OUT THAT IN THEIR OPINION THAT THIS, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION DOES ADVANCE THE GOALS OF THE COMP WITH PLAN.
IT'S ACTUALLY IN YOUR PACKAGE WHERE THEY'VE CHECKED OFF THAT IT DOES FIT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S A PARK LIKE SITTING.
UM, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING TO HEAR THAT THERE'S SO MANY ATHLETIC FACILITIES IN THE AREA AND SOMEHOW THEY DON'T FIT IN.
I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
AND BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE, UH, THEY, THEY GIVE THAT RURAL ATMOSPHERE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, TO ACHIEVE HERE.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS.
UM, AND MR. DAD MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, TO CONSIDER THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ADJACENT.
AND I KNOW HE USED THE WORD ADJACENT, CUZ I WROTE IT DOWN WHEN HE USED IT.
HE SAYS HE'S A HALF MILE AWAY.
BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ADJACENT, THOSE FOLKS THERE IN PEMBROOK WHO ARE IMMEDIATELY AFFECTED BY THIS, THEY WANTED IT.
I MEAN, I, AND I, I DON'T THINK I'M MISREPRESENTING THAT.
I TALKED TO A NUMBER OF THEM AFTER THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
NO, NONE OF THEM WERE HERE, UH, TO VOICE ANY OPPOSITION AT PLANNING COMMISSION, NOR ARE THEY HERE TONIGHT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE WHO REALLY DO HAVE THEIR PROPERTIES AFFECTED BY THINGS THAT ARE NEARBY, IT IS THE FOLKS THERE IN PEMBROOK SUBDIVISION WHO WANT THIS APPLICATION FOR DOWN ZONING AND THE CUP.
SO I THINK THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT WHAT THIS DOES WITH RESPECT TO FITTING INTO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOUR CITIZENS HAVE BACKED IN THE PAST.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
TRYING TO LOOK AND READ AT THE SAME TIME, BUT IS IS THERE ANY, BASED ON GENTLEMEN'S COMMENTS, IS THERE ANY PLAN TO HAVE PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEMS AT ANY OF THIS FACILITY? DO YOU HAVE THEY THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE A PA SYSTEM.
I KNOW THE, UH, PA SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE AND, AND THIS PROBABLY CAME UP MORE AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAN IT PLANNING COMMISSION IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY, BUT THE, UM, THE DYNAMICS AND THE, THE, UM, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THAT IS, IS MUCH IMPROVED OVER WHAT WE HAVE NOW AT THE EXISTING BASEBALL AND, UM, FOOTBALL FACILITY.
SO, SO THE PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEMS, THEY'RE LIMITED TO THE SOCCER FIELD.
I HOPE THEY'RE NOT FOR THE TENNIS COURTS.
I WOULD, LET ME HELP YOU GUYS WITH THIS.
STEPHAN MET US AGAIN, THREE 50 PEMBRO CLEAN RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
UM, WHEN WE SOLD THE PROPERTY TO BENEDICTINE,
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I AM THE MOST AFFECTED BY THAT PA SYSTEM.HE'LL TELL YOU, I TEXT HIM ALL THE TIME I CALL HIM.
THEY POINTED RIGHT AT HIS HOUSE.
YEAH, THEY'RE POINTED RIGHT AT MY PORCH.
SO WE ADDRESS THAT AND WE ARE, THEY'RE GONNA PUT NEW IMPROVED SYSTEMS IN, DIRECTED MORE TOWARDS THE FIELDS AND THE AUDIENCES OR THE SPECTATORS.
UM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GONNA BE FACING SOUTH OR EAST, SO IT'LL HELP YOU GUYS.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT WAS A BIG DEAL AND WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PRIVATE AGREEMENT.
IT'S IN RESTRICTIVE COVERAGE AGAIN, THAT WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THOSE TO THAT.
SO THAT PROMPTS A FEW QUESTIONS.
YOU'RE SAYING THE EXISTING SYSTEMS AFFECT YOU AND SO YOU'RE WORKING, YOU SAID YOU'RE FIXING THOSE, SO YOU'RE FIXING EXISTING YES, SIR.
AND THE NEW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT TO COMPLY.
SO WAY WE, WE WERE A LITTLE BROADER IN HOW WE ADDRESSED IT THOUGH, SO THAT THE EXISTING SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO BE IMPROVED AND MOVED.
SO THEY'RE NOT FACING, UH, RESIDENCES OF PEMBROKE AND TO THE EAST, UH, MORE DIRECTED, MORE FOCUS DIRECTION TO THE SPECTATORS, AND THEN ANY NEW SYSTEMS OR THE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINES.
BUT THE PLAN IS TO PUT PA SYSTEMS ON THE SOCCER FIELDS.
I I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM ON SOCCER FIELDS.
I THINK POTENTIALLY ON THE SOFTBALL FIELD.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T REALLY ANNOUNCE TENNIS, RIGHT? SO NOT FOR, WE MIGHT DO A PICKLE BALL IF YOU GUYS WANNA COME JOIN, SO, BUT ANYTHING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ARE, DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE FIRST, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? ABSOLUTELY.
CHAIR, AND THIS MAY BE FOR MR. CASH.
UM, MR. CASH, WE, UH, HEARD FROM ONE CITIZEN THAT, UM, THAT THE TRADE OFF IN TRAFFIC BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND THESE FIELDS.
UM, DO YOU RECALL OFFHAND HOW MANY AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS THERE ARE FROM A SINGLE FAMILY? THREE OR FOUR BEDROOM HOME? IS IT? UM, SO TYPICALLY YOU WOULD, UM, FOR CALCULATIONS, YOU FIGURED 10 TRIPS A DAY FOR RESIDE RESIDENTIAL UNIONS A DAY.
AND WE'VE HAD, SO YOU'RE TALKING 11 HOMES THAT, UM, THAT I BELIEVE IT WOULD'VE BEEN ABOUT NINE HOMES POTENTIALLY ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO 10 TRIPS A DAY, NINE HOMES WOULD BE 90 TRIPS, 90 TRIPS PER DAY IF IT WERE TO STAY RESIDENTIAL AND GO WITH SINGLE FAMILY MM-HMM.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT 90 TRIPS IS MORE OR LESS THAN WHAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING ON THE, BUT IF YOU'RE TAKING TRAFFIC OFF THE ROADS BY WALKING TO THE FIELDS AND YOU'RE REPLACING WHAT WOULD BE 90 TRIPS A DAY WITH, WITH NO TRIPS, UM, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME KIND OF AN OFFSET OR A TRADEOFF THERE.
I'M JUST NOT SURE WHERE THAT SETTLES OUT.
BUT IT SEEMS, WELL, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE FIGURED THAT THE TRAFFIC CALCULATIONS IS BECAUSE THE UTILIZING STUDENTS THAT WERE ALREADY CALCULATED INTO, WE TYPICALLY CALCULATE SCHOOL.
SO WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE IT WAS IN, IN BRINGING IN ANY MORE TRAFFIC THE WAY THIS IS INTENDED TO OPERATE.
THAT'S WHY PART OF IT'S TO TIE IT TO THE SCHOOLS, UM, THIS WASN'T INTENDED TO BE A PUBLIC ATHLETIC FACILITY WHERE WE WOULD BE DRAWN, UM, PEOPLE IN THERE THAN THERE WOULD BE TRAFFIC IMPLICATIONS.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT, UM, DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR THE STUDENTS WILL BE LEAVING AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE WARMER SEASONS WHERE THESE ARE UTILIZED, IT'S MORE OF A WASH AND, AND TRAFFIC MORE THAN A, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, WHICH IS THE, THE BONUS BONUS.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF WOULDN'T NOT GEN GENERATE ANY MEANINGFUL OR MATERIAL INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
IF WE UNDERSTAND IT'S PRACTICE GENERALLY FOR THE STUDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE SITE, WHICH HAS BEEN THE DISCUSSION, UM, FOR THIS, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE GENERATING ANY ADDITIONAL.
SO THE STUDENTS ARE ALREADY THERE.
SHOULD THE RIGHT, IF THE HOUSES GO AWAY, THEN THE TRIPS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, UPON PIN BROKE LANE WOULD GO AWAY.
COULD YOU BRING UP, UH, THE SLIDE, UM, STAFF CONCERNS? SO WE CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICK.
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'VE ADDRESSED THE STAFF'S CONCERNS.
THE, THE BUFFERS ALONG THE ROAD BEING A HUNDRED FEET, UM, IS IT, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK A LOT OF YOU HERE.
DO YOU HAVE A SATELLITE VIEW AS WELL OF THE, OF SATELLITE VIEW OF THE MAP? SURE.
UM, THAT, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THIS.
THE AERIAL VIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE WITH WORK.
SO THE FIRST STAFF CONCERN WAS BUFFER.
SO THE, YEAH, THIS RIGHT HERE.
UM, THE FIRST CONCERN WAS THE BUFFERS AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WAS IT A HUNDRED FEET OR 70 FEET OR 90 FEET OR WHAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP AS, I MEAN I'VE DRIVEN DOWN THIS ROAD OF AWFUL LOT OF TIMES
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AS YOU GO, IF YOU LOOK JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY WITH THE EXISTING BENEDICTINE, UM, IT'S BASICALLY CLEAR CUT THERE.AND YOU'VE GOT BALL FIELDS RIGHT THERE.
IF YOU DRIVE A LITTLE FURTHER EAST, YOU COME TO THIS PROPERTY, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND IT'S DENSELY FORESTED AND IS ELEVATED.
SO AS YOU DRIVE BY THE ELEVATION OF THOSE TREES IS ABOVE YOUR ROOF LINE IN YOUR CAR.
AND THEN WITH A 70, 80, 90 FOOT EFFECTIVE BUFFER THERE WITH A, WITH A BURM, UM, SOMEBODY MADE THE POINT THAT IT'LL BE HARD TO EVEN SEE THE FIELDS SINCE THEY'RE NOT GOING VERTICAL.
AND, AND SO AS I THINK ABOUT THE BUFFER DRIVING ALONG RIVER ROAD, YOU GO PAST CLEAR CUT WITH ZERO BUFFER BALL FIELDS RIGHT BACK TO THE SCHOOL, THEN COME TO THIS, WHICH WILL BE ELEVATED DENSELY FORESTED WITH NO VERTICAL IMPROVEMENTS.
SO YOU GET KIND OF A DRIVE BY WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THESE ARE THERE WHERE WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, THE OTHERS ARE CLEARLY PLAIN THE VISION THERE.
SO AS FAR AS THE FIRST STAFF CONCERNED, I THINK, UM, IT'LL BE HARD TO, TO EVEN SEE THE FIELDS FROM AS YOU DRIVE BY.
IS THIS CLOSER TO MEETING THE INTENT OF OUR BUFFER FOR WHAT THEY'RE PROVIDING? CAUSE RIVER ROAD DOES THEY DO VALUE HAVING THE VERTICAL IMPROVEMENTS SET BACK ENOUGH, WHETHER IT'S YOUR WICKHAM GLEN OR, OR RIVERGATE OR JUST NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD AS YOU DRIVE BY.
SINCE THERE'S NO VERTICAL IMPROVEMENTS HERE THAT, UM, KIND OF BEGINS TO ADDRESS THAT IN SOME FASHION.
I GUESS THE SECOND STAFF CONCERN, WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT ONE.
I'M ASKING YOU TO BE VERY TECHNOLOGICALLY AMBIDEXTROUS HERE OR WHATEVER THE, THE FIRM IS.
SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE OVER THERE ARE INTERSTATE LIGHTING.
THE LIGHTING IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT RESIDENTS ALONG THAT ROAD ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO AND, AND CARE A LOT ABOUT.
SO THE BUFFERS AND THE LIGHTING, UM, AS YOU SOMEBODY CORRECTLY POINTED OUT, UM, THERE ARE NO, THERE IS NO LIGHTING ON ANY OF THE OTHER NUMEROUS ATHLETIC FIELDS, WHETHER IT'S ST CATHERINE'S OR COLLEGIATE OR, UM, OR THE EXISTING BENEDICTINE.
THERE IS NO LIT ATHLETIC FIELDS.
PART OF THAT CONCERN IS, UM, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL CORRIDOR IN THE EVENINGS WHEN IT GETS DARK AND FOLKS LIKE TO RELAX AND, AND NOT HAVE A LOT OF, UM, DISTURBANCE, IF YOU WILL, OR INTENSE USES.
AND PART OF THAT IS WITH LIGHTING, THEN YOU COULD PRACTICE WELL INTO THE HOURS AND PASS DARK AND, AND POSSIBLY EVEN HAVE SOME TOURNAMENT ACTIVITIES.
SO BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH, UH, A GENERAL POLICY TO SAY, HEY, YOU DO YOUR STUFF DURING THE DAY, AND THEN IN THE EVENING WHEN PEOPLE COME HOME FROM WORK, IT'S TIME TO TO, TO RELAX AND, AND TAKE IT EASY.
UM, BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND THAT IS IF YOU HAVE, UH, A PRIVATE RESIDENCE, WHICH THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVATE RESIDENTS LONG AS CORRIDOR THAT HAVE TENNIS COURTS IN THEIR BACKYARDS, PRIVATE TENNIS COURTS IN A, IN A PERSONAL RESIDENCE MM-HMM.
IF IF I OWN A RESIDENCE IN THAT CORRIDOR AND I HAVE A TENNIS COURT IN MY BACKYARD, CAN I LIGHT THAT TENNIS COURT? IT WOULD STILL BE, BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR NIGHT SCOTT PROVISIONS.
UM, TYPICALLY RESIDENTIAL LIGHTING, AND UNLESS THAT I'M WRONG, IT'S NOT IRRE LIKE WE DO WITH OTHER COMMERCIAL SITES OR, UM, OTHER SITES.
SO THERE WE DO HAVE A GENERAL, UM, NIGHT SKY COMPLIANT POLICY THAT THEY, UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE ORDINANCE WOULDN'T PRECLUDE THE, THE LIGHTING OF THOSE.
SO, UH, I COULD DRIVE DOWN RIVER ROAD, THERE COULD BE HALF A DOZEN OR A DOZEN LIT TENNIS COURTS AND PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, AS LONG AS THEY'RE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND, AND THE LIGHT DOESN'T TRAVEL WHATNOT.
THAT'S WHEN THEY CAST INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY'S WHEN WE HAVE ISSUES.
SO, AND NOBODY WE'RE AWARE OF HAS A FULL SIZE FOOTBALL FIELD OR SOFTBALL FIELD IN THEIR BACKYARD THAT MIGHT BE LIT AT NIGHT? UH, HOPEFULLY NOT.
NOT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THE CALLS ABOUT.
HOW'S THAT
I MEAN, WE'RE MAKING A LITTLE BIT LIGHT OF THIS, BUT WE HAVE A FAIRLY CONSISTENT POLICY AND, AND THIS, UM, WOULD NOT, I WOULD NOT VIEW THIS PARTICULAR PROVISION AS BEING NECESSARILY PRECEDENT SETTING THAT BALL FIELDS CAN, CAN NOW BE LIT A RESIDENT IN THE CORRIDOR.
WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER IS A TENNIS COURT OR TWO, WHICH COULD BE IN THE BACKYARD OF SOMEBODY'S RESIDENCE RIGHT NEXT DOOR ANYWAY.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WE COULD AND ALREADY DO HAVE ALONG THAT RIVER ROAD CORNER.
UM, THIRD POINT, UM, OKAY, THIS GETS INTO THE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS THE, UH, THE A TWO AND THE AGRICULTURE AND RIGHT.
UM, BUT WHAT THE, THE COUNTY'S POTENTIAL INCOME, UH, FOR CHANGE USE, UH, IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY RECOGNIZE IF WE'RE GOING FROM NEGOTIATED PROFFERS TO A A DIFFERENT DIFFERENT USE.
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RESIDENTIAL USE, THE PRESUMPTION IS IT WOULD INCREASE THE TAX REVENUE BECAUSE THERE'D BE AN INCREASED USE IN COUNTY SERVICES AND THOSE TAXES WOULD HELP PROVIDE FOR THE SERVICES.I'M NOT SURE WHAT A SOCCER FIELD MIGHT, UH, IN TERMS OF SERVICES, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA SEND KIDS TO SCHOOL.
THERE MAY BE A, A TWISTED ANKLE HERE AND THERE, BUT, UM, UH MM-HMM.
UM, IT DOES KEEP THE KIDS OFF THE ROAD.
I JUST WANTED GO THROUGH THOSE CONCERNS AND, UH, AND, AND GET THE ANSWERS TO SOME OF MY QUESTIONS, SO THANK YOU.
I DID HAVE A QUESTION, AND MAYBE THIS, MAYBE FOR MR. SHADOWY.
I, I THOUGHT IN ONE OF THE SLIDES YOU SAID THAT THE ACCESS TO THE THE HOUSE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY IS CHANGING, BUT I DIDN'T, CAN YOU TELL ME, SHOW ME, JUST SHOW ME WHERE THAT ACCESS IS GOING TO BE AT THIS POINT.
CUZ IT BASED ON, I THINK ONE OF THE SIDES IN YOUR PRESENTATION THERE, THERE WAS NO, YEAH, THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING DRIVE.
THE, THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, BEING AT EXISTING HOUSE.
WELL, YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT IS CURRENTLY USING PEMBROKE LANE.
SO IT COMES OUT THAT WAY ANYWAY.
AND OF COURSE, BEING GATED COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD COME IN AND OUT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE REST, WHAT ELSE? EXCUSE ME.
OKAY, SO, SO THAT'S WHAT THE ACT THAT ACT THAT THE WAS AS FAR AS THE USE OF THE ATHLETICS FIELDS, THEY WOULD NOT BE GOING DOWN.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
THEY, THEY'D BE GOING THROUGH THAT PARKING AREA AND THEN OUT THE EXISTING ENTRANCE.
THANKS MS. LASETTE? UH, YES SIR.
UH, THIS IS PROBABLY MR. SO'S PROBABLY FOR MR. CASH, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SO, UM, IF THIS WILL BE TO BE APPROVED, WHAT IS THE, UH, CHANGE IN TAX REVENUE TO THE COUNTY? WELL, UH, PART OF THAT IS THE REAL ESTATE VALUE, THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.
THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IS VACANT ORIGINALLY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, I BELIEVE, NON, UH, SUBDIVISION LOTS FOR THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT WAS IT, RIGHT.
IT WAS ZONED FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL R ONE.
UH, THERE WAS A PROFFER CONDITION FOR THE OVERALL ZONING CASE THAT THERE WAS A TOTAL OF, I BELIEVE, I THINK IT WAS NINE LOTS TOTALS THAT PAID PROFFERS 15.
BUT I THINK PROFFERS WERE ONLY REQUIRED ON A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, IF I RECALL.
YEAH, SO I THINK IT WAS A TOTAL OF NINE.
SO IF WE HAD THE ONE, SO THERE HAVE BEEN EIGHT CASH PROFFERS, UM, AND I HAVE TO PUT, UH, IN THE FILES TO SEE WHAT THE ORIGINAL, UM, PROFFER WAS AT THAT TIME.
UM, FOR THAT CASE THAT WOULD BE CASH.
UM, SO THAT, AND THEN THE GENERAL TAX REVENUE THAT WE WOULD HAVE FOR EACH LOT.
UM, SO NO, I, I HAVEN'T DONE A CALCULATION, UM, FOR EACH WHAT THE OVERALL, IN OTHER WORDS, ESTIMATED TAX VALUE, UM, WOULD'VE BEEN COMING FROM THE PROPERTY, UM, KNOWING, UM, THE, THE USE THAT IT'S NOW GOING TOWARDS, UM, THAT'S A USE THAT HAS, UM, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TAXING, UH, LEVEL FOR THE COUNTY.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHAT IS PAID OUT FROM BENEDICTINE, I DON'T BELIEVE BEING A, UM, ALRIGHT, AGAIN, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT AWARE ENOUGH OF THEIR, IF IT'S RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION OR TREATED THAT WAY, YOU'RE ALSO TREATED AS A PRIVATE SCHOOL THAT'S A TAX, UM, ISSUE.
SO YOU HAVE TO ANSWER FOR ME'S NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY HOW THAT PROPERTY'S CLASSIFIED CURRENTLY.
SO I I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY TWO ISSUES.
ONE IS THERE WERE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, THE PROPERTY VALUES WOULD GO UP WHEN HOMES ARE BUILT AND YOU WOULD GET TAXES, REAL ESTATE TAXES FROM THAT.
PROBABLY WHAT ISN'T MENTIONED IS OF COURSE HOW MANY SERVICES ARE THEN REQUIRED BY YEAH, IT'S NINE HOMES.
BUT, AND THEN SO WHAT COST FOR FIRE EMS RESPONSES, RIGHT? ANY OF THAT, UH, PARKS OF REC USE THOSE TYPES OF MORE THAN OFFSET BY THE PROPERTY TAX.
TYPICALLY THAT'S WHAT WE FIND YESTERDAY MORE THAN OFFSET.
AND THEN WHAT RAY IS JUST, UM, NOT SURE OF IS BENEDICTINE HAVING, UH, BEING A SCHOOL WITH TAX EXEMPTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS.
SO WE'RE LOSING ALL TAX REVENUE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT IS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TAX REVENUE TO ZERO NINE HOMES AT THE VA.
UH, SO NINE HOMES, THE VALUE PROPERTY TAX FOR THE LOTS, UM, THE HOUSE, THE REAL ESTATE TAX PLUS THE INITIAL PRO CASH PROFIT FOR THAT.
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UM, SO IT IS SIGNIFICANT REVENUE.THAT'S WHY STAFF RECO RECOGNIZES THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FISCAL IMPACTS, UM, AND THE PROPERTY VERSUS, UM, THE USE THAT WE'RE GOING TO AT THIS POINT.
SO THAT'S JUST A, UM, TYPICALLY WE ADDRESS THAT ISSUE DURING A STAFF REPORT.
NOT EXACT NUMBERS
WELL THE POINT IS, IS WE'RE LOSING TAX REVENUE BY DOING THIS.
SO, SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, AND I'M BACK TO THE SAME SLIDE THAT MR. PETERSON WAS ON HAVING TO DO WITH THE LIGHTING AGAIN.
SO IT HAS BEEN OUR PRACTICE NOT TO DO LIGHTING ALONG THAT CO THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, AND I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHY WE WANT TO, UM, TO CHANGE THAT NOW.
WHY ARE WE DOING IT FOR THIS ONE PROJECT AND WE WON'T DO IT FOR ANYONE ELSE.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THE USE OF THE LIGHTING OR WHETHER IT'S, WE FIGURE IT'S, IT'S INCONSISTENT TO WHAT HAS TYPICALLY BEEN APPROVED OR HOW PAST APPROVED THE BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS, I THINK IT WAS A, UH, THE APPLICANT AND, UH, THE OWNERSHIP UNDERLYING PREVIOUS OWNERSHIP, UM, TRY TO WORK AT A, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE AGREEMENT, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE USE, UH, TO MAKE IT, UH, MORE ADVERTISING.
AND THAT OFTEN HAPPENS WITH ZONING CASES, UM, YOU KNOW, OR, OR PRIVATE LAND AGREEMENTS TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO UTILIZE THE LIGHTING.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS STAFF TYPICALLY DOES NOT PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAN IS THAT ADVISES THAT STAFF DID HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT WE FELT IT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ACTUALLY APPLY THE ORDINANCE, THE ZING ORDINANCE, UM, LIGHTING PROVISIONS AS BEST WE COULD FOR THAT SCENARIO.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONLY SORT OF DIFFERENCE WITH THIS ONE, MAYBE THE CONSIDERATION IS FURTHER FROM RIVER ROAD, BUT IF WE HAD A SOFTBALL FIELD OR SOMETHING FURTHER BACK FROM RIVER ROAD, YOUR LIGHTING GETS HIGHER AND, AND OTHER TYPES THINGS.
SO, UM, ALL I CAN SAY FROM REALLY FROM A TASK PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, IT'S INCONSISTENT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.
AND WE TYPICALLY, AS WE GO THROUGH THESE SCENARIOS, JUST LIKE THE HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER DISCUSSION, OTHER TYPE THINGS, WE TRY TO PROMOTE CONSISTENCY, UM, WITHIN THE AREAS BETWEEN ZONING CASES.
BUT EACH CASE IS UNIQUE SO THE BOARD COULD ADVISE DIFFERENTLY OR THE APPLICANT COULD PROPOSE DIFFERENTLY AS WHICH THEY'VE DONE IN THIS CASE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE BEING INCONSISTENT AT THIS POINT BY CONSIDERING THE LIGHTING THAT THE REQUEST, UH, RIGHT, IT'S INCONSISTENT AND WHAT THE REQUESTS WE'VE HAD FOR SIMILAR FACILITIES OR APPROVALS THAT HAVE BEEN FOR PRE OTHER FACILITIES IN THIS AREA.
SO WE'RE BEING INCONSISTENT ON THE LIGHTING, WE'RE BEING INCONSISTENT ON NOISE.
THE LAD SPEAKERS WE'RE BEING INCONSISTENT ON.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE ADDRESS THE NOISE SCENARIO ON THE ADJACENT SCHOOL EITHER ZONING AT THIS.
I'M NOT AWARE IF THERE, THERE'S A, UH, PA SYSTEM CONDITION ON THE EXISTING BENEDICTINE SITE, I'D HAVE TO GO, UH, WE'D HAVE TO PULL THAT CASE SEPARATELY TO KNOW IF THERE IS ONE.
UM, SO I, SO IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT WE'RE BEING INCONSISTENT TO WHAT WE DID ON THE PREVIOUS, UM, CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE FIELDS AND THAT'S SOMETHING BE CONSIDERED AS A CONDITION FOR THE C APPLICATION.
UM, THE BOARD IS, UH, YOU CAN IMPOSE A CONDITION AS FAR AS, UM, LIMITING THE USE OF THE DA SYSTEM AND THEIR OUTDOOR, UM, ACTIVITIES OR LIMITING HOURS.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW SOMETHING I'LL SAY THE APPLICANT COULD PROFFER, BUT THIS BEING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE FIELDS, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE IMPOSED CONDITION IF THE, THE BOARD FELT WAS OF CONCERN.
AND THAT'S ALSO WHERE WE CAN ALSO IMPOSE LIGHTING CON CONDITIONS.
UM, IN THIS SCENARIO, UM, AS THE LIGHTING IS PART OF THE PROFFER REQUEST, UM, BASICALLY YOU WOULD DENY THE CASE OR ACTUALLY ASK THE APPLICANT TO WITHDRAW THE PROFFER.
UM, I GET, I'M TRYING TO, CUZ IT'S BASICALLY WE'D BE IMPOSING THE CONDITION CONTRARY TO A PROFFER AND THE PROFFERS ARE THE CONDITIONS.
SO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, I MIGHT HAVE TO AL THAT ONE.
UM, SINCE THE APPLICANT DOES PROFFER THE LIGHTING OF THIS TWO KIND ESCORTS IN THAT, UM, AND THE CONDITIONAL USE WERE APPROVING IS TO SAY THE FIELDS AND FACILITIES SHALL BE OPERATED CONSISTENT WITH THE PROFFER.
UM, I THINK THE BOARD'S OPTION TO THAT WOULD BE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO WITHDRAW THE PROFFER OR THEY WOULD, THAT WOULD BE PART OF YOUR DENIAL OF THE CASE.
THERE IS A, AS RAY SAYING, THE PROFFER ABOUT DENNIS COURTS IS A PROFFER IN THE REZONING.
SO YOU EITHER HAVE TO REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT PROFFER, ASK THE APPLICANT TO WITHDRAW THAT PROFFER IF YOU WANT NO LIGHTING ON THE TENNIS COURTS.
IF YOU ONLY WANT TO LIMIT THE LIGHTING ON THE TENNIS
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COURTS, I WOULD THINK LIKE, AGAIN, HOURS OR SOMETHING COULD BE IN THE IMPOSED IN THE CONDITIONAL USE.BUT IF YOU WANT NO LIGHTING ON THE TENNIS COURTS, IT WOULD BE BY ACTUALLY ASKING THE APPLICANT TO WITHDRAW THAT PROFFER, UM, UH, REFUSING TO ACCEPT THAT PROFFER OR DENYING THAT CASE.
AND I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE REASON WHY WE'RE INCONSISTENT.
WE'VE DONE THIS FOR THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR ON THE LIGHTING.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE MAKING EXCEPTION THIS TIME.
BOARD, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? OH, MR. CHAIR? UH, I CAN JUST FOLLOW THAT ONE MORE TIME ON THIS MAP.
UM, TO THE LEFT, AS I LOOK AT THE MAP,
IF HE WAS TENNIS COURTS ON THAT PROPERTY, COULD HE LIGHT THOSE TWO TENNIS COURTS? UM, FOR BEING A PRIVATE RESIDENCE? WE DON'T, IT WOULD BE THE DARK SKY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE PARTICULAR AMOUNT KNOWLEDGE THAT SOMEONE ELSE COULD CONTRACT THROUGH TYPICALLY RESIDENTIAL LIGHT.
THIS WHY I GO BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ONE.
CAUSE WE HAVE NOT APPROVED LIGHTING OF ANY RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IN THE PAST, AND WE WANNA BE CONSISTENT AND WE HAVEN'T APPROVED ANY LIGHTING FOR SOCCER FIELDS, BALL FIELDS, FOOTBALL FIELDS, ANY OF THAT.
AND YET WE DO ALLOW TENNIS SCORES TO BE LIT ON PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET OVER, IS THAT OKAY AND A HUNDRED FEET OVER IS NOT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M WRESTLING WITH RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I'M, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
IS IT SOMETHING WE SHOULD ENTERTAIN ON A LIMITED BASIS OR NOT? AND THAT'S KIND OF THE RIGHT, THE DISCUSSION AND THOSE PRIVATE TENNIS COURTS HAVE BEEN THERE ALL ALONG WHERE AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE LIMITING THE OTHER LIGHTING.
SO THAT'S NOT ANY, ANYTHING NEW.
CAN I, CAN I CLARIFY AS A QUESTION ABOUT THIS CORRIDOR? THE LIGHTING MM-HMM.
I I BELIEVE THE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE, FOR ALL THE FACILITIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY FOCUSED ON THIS CORRIDOR AND THIS, THIS LOCATION, HOW THERE HASN'T BEEN THE USE OF LIGHTS FOR THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS MS. MCGEE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT.
SO THE BOARD WOULD HAVE THE OPTION IF, YOU KNOW, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE WITH THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, I AMEND A CONDITION TO BASICALLY LIMIT THE, I MEAN ALLOW THE USE OF THE LIGHTS, BUT LIMIT IN A FASHION THAT WE FEEL LIKE IS LESS OF A NUISANCE.
UM, AS WITH ANY OTHER CONDITIONAL USE OR PROPER CASE, UM, IT'S SORT OF A NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, THE BOARD TO LOOK AT UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF, SHOULD WE FEEL THAT THE LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE BOARD'S ACTION IS, SHOULD YOU FEEL THE LIGHTING SHOULD NOT BE ALL ALLOWED AT ALL.
WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUE AS FAR AS THE PROFFER.
IF YOU WANTED TO, UM, WORK WITH THE, THE TIME WE CAN IMPOSE THE CONDITION A TIME OR ASK THE PERHAPS APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD ENTERTAIN, UM, PERHAPS THEY COULD OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THEIR PRO TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS FOR THAT SAME WAY WITH THE, UM, OUTDOOR PA.
YEAH, MAYBE AT THIS POINT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE APPLICANT TO WEIGH IN, UM, ABOUT HOW STRONGLY THEY FEEL ABOUT THE LIGHTING.
JUST, OOPS, TAKE YOU FORM A LINE.
SO, UM, WHEN JESSE AND I MET WITH
UM, THEY REALLY LIKED THE, UH, ADDED AMENITY OF THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE EXISTING TENNIS COURTS THAT ARE ON THE CAMPUS NOW.
WE GO OVER THERE, THEY'RE NOT THERE.
I THINK HE'S, UM, DEMOED THEM NOW.
UM, NOT EVERYONE IS A MEMBER AT RICHMOND COUNTRY CLUB, WHICH IS A MILE AND A HALF UP THE STREET.
THEY HAVE LIGHTS ON THEIR COURTS.
UH, FEAR OF THE NEIGHBORS REALLY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THIS AMENITY WITH PICKLE BALL RISING TODAY AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE A SENSE OF A GREATER COMMUNITY FOR THE PEMBROKE NEIGHBORHOOD TO PLAY AND, AND, AND ENJOY THE FACILITIES NEXT DOOR.
UM, IT IS A PRETTY BIG IMPORTANT, UM, ASPECT OF THIS PLAN FOR US.
UM, BEING RIGHT NEXT DOOR, I DON'T WANT THE LIGHTS ON PAST 11 O'CLOCK AND THE PROPERTY, UM, ACROSS THE STREET WHEN I SELL THE LOTS TO, UH, POTENTIAL BUYERS, I, I'M GONNA HAVE TO PROMISE THEM THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE
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ON PAST A CERTAIN HOUR AS WELL.SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A TIME CONSTRAINT ON THEM.
I, I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE INCONSISTENCY COLLEGIATES RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY LIGHTS ON THEIR FIELDS.
UM, WE DO HAVE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES WITHIN THE VICINITY AT PUT PUT AND RICHMOND COUNTRY CLUB, HERMITAGE COUNTRY CLUB, THEY ALL HAVE LIGHTS.
UM, THESE, UH, I THINK ARE GONNA BE IN SUCH A MANNER THAT NOBODY BUT THE HOUSES RIGHT AROUND IT WILL SEE IT.
UM, RIVER ROAD'S NOT GONNA SEE THEM.
THE, WE HAVE A GATE AT THE FRONT THAT IS ONLY ACCESSED BY, UH, CLICKER OR A PASSCODE.
UM, SO I'M NOT, I UNDERSTAND THE INCONSISTENCY, BUT I ALSO THINK, UH, THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO, TO RECREATE THERE.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? MM, I DONE.
YEAH, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND ASK YOU, I THINK, I THINK YOU SAID YOU SOLD THIS PROPERTY TO BEN AT 18, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
HAS THAT CLOSING OCCURRED AND HAS BEEN AN 18 NOW? YES, SIR.
IN DECEMBER THAT, THAT KIND OF GOES TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE TAX STATUS, BUT, BUT WE, WE CAN SET THAT ASIDE.
UM, WOULD THE, WELL, I THINK IT MUST BE QUITE INTERESTING TO TRY TO GUESS WHAT THIS BOARD WILL GET HUNG UP ON OR WHAT THEY'RE FOCUS ON.
BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO APPROVE THIS WITHOUT THE LIGHTING IN PART, BECAUSE WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY EARLIER WAS, I THINK YOU'RE COMING HERE, I APPRECIATE APPLICANTS DOING WHAT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU'VE DONE IS THAT IS WORK YOUR CASE, TALK TO THE COMMUNITY, BRING IT TO US SO THAT THERE AREN'T 50 PEOPLE STANDING HERE.
NOW SOMETIMES THAT OPPOSITION IS NATURAL, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT IN THIS CASE, I, I, I FEEL YOU DID A GOOD JOB.
AND MR. SATI, WHEN YOU PRESENTED IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SAID, WE'RE DOING THESE LIGHTS FOR THE NEIGHBORS.
SO I'M RELUCTANT ABOUT APPROVING THIS WITHOUT THE LIGHTING BECAUSE MAYBE THE NEIGHBORS AREN'T HERE BECAUSE OF THE ACCOMMODATIONS YOU'VE PROVIDED THEM.
NOW THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, ARE THESE LIGHTS GOOD? SETTING ASIDE JUST FOR THE NEIGHBORS, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT, UH, NIGHT SKY COMPLIANCE HOURS AND ALSO DISTANCE.
YOU KNOW, WE, WHEN YOU LOOKING AT THESE, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS DISTANCE FROM OTHER, THE ROADS AND WHATNOT.
I, I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER, UM, IN THE CONDITIONAL USE, ADDING A CONDITIONAL USE OF PICK A TIME THAT THE LIGHTS GET TURNED OFF MM-HMM.
AND THE OTHER PART THAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT ACCESS NEIGHBORS, DO THE NEIGHBORS HAVE THE ACCESS? WILL THEY HAVE THE ACCESS THAT YOU'RE INDICATING? I MEAN, BENEDICTINE, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE, YOU'RE GONNA BE IN GIN, YOU'RE GONNA BE A NEIGHBOR.
I, I, I WON'T PRESS BECAUSE I HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUES, WE DON'T LIKE GETTING INTO A LOT OF NEGOTIATIONS, ADDING THINGS IN THE C U P.
AND AT SOME POINT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ALL GONNA CONTINUE TO BE A NEIGHBOR.
THERE'S GONNA BE CONTINUING WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
SO I, I THINK WE HAVE TO AT SOME POINT TRUST THAT YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND BE RESPONSIVE.
LIKE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE BEING WITH THE, THE CURRENT PA SYSTEMS WE CORRECT.
AND, AND LET ME ADDRESS ONE THING ON THE TAX REVENUE.
SO I REZONE, DARVIN AND I REZONE THIS PROPERTY IN 2004, 2005.
WE HAD, UH, 11, IT WAS PLA AND RECORDED FOR 11 LOTS.
WE ADDED, WE GOT RID OF A BUNCH OF DRIVEWAY CUTS ON RIVER ROAD TO IMPROVE THE, THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
AND I HAD NOT SOLD ANY OF THE LOTS UNTIL LAST YEAR HE SOLD ONE.
SO IT WASN'T UNTIL I, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT BEN NICOTINE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH IMPROVING THE SCHOOLS AND MAKING IT A DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE, FOR STUDENTS.
FOUR FAMILIES WE SOLD, THE FIRST LOT I SOLD WAS TO HAVE BENEDICTINE FAMILY THAT'S GONNA BUILD A OVER A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE.
UM, WE, I JUST SOLD ANOTHER ONE IN THE BACK SECTION.
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UM, THEY'RE NOT A BENEDICTINE FAMILY, BUT THEY'RE MOVING FROM THE CITY LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ST.THEY LIKE THAT FEEL OF THE PARK LIKE SETTING BESIDE THE SCHOOLS.
SO I HEAR YOU ON THE TAX REVENUE, BUT IT'S ALSO A DRAW FOR THE AREA TO IMPROVE TAX REVENUE AND A TAX BASE FOR THE COMMUNITY THERE.
SO, UM, I DID WANNA ADDRESS THAT, BUT ON THE LIGHTS AND THE TIMING, I'M, I'M PERFECTLY FINE.
WE PICK A 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO TURN 'EM OFF.
AND, AND I'LL JUST WRAP, WRAP UP A FEW MORE COMMENTS.
I, I, LIKE I SAID, WHY I FOCUSED EARLIER ON MAKING SURE THE, THE, THE LITTLE WALKWAY PATHWAY AROUND IS GONNA DEFINITELY BE OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK ABOUT THIS WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR VILLAGE PLANNING HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE IN CENTERVILLE.
I, I, I WANT TO SEE US, UH, BRING, BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER MORE IN THIS, IN THIS TIME OF, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ORDER EVERYTHING FROM YOUR PHONE.
YOU NEVER HAVE TO LEAVE YOUR HOUSE.
YOU CAN GET YOUR FOOD DELIVERED.
SO I THINK AS WE, WE BUILDING, WE BUILDING COMMUNITIES, THE MORE INTENTIONAL WE CAN BE AND THE MORE MM-HMM.
SO, AND I'M REALLY, UM, I'M REALLY IN SUPPORT OF GETTING THE KIDS FROM HAVING TO DRIVE 23, 26 MILES.
UM, THAT'S GONNA IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC.
THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF TIME BEHIND THE WINDSHIELD WHEN THEY COULD BE DOING SOMETHING ELSE.
UH, SO I, I LIKE THE APPLICATION.
I JUST, I, I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO, UH, LET'S NOT, UH, LET'S NOT DENY THE LIGHTING BECAUSE IT COMES TO US.
I THINK WELL DESIGNED AND IT COMES TO US WITH THE REPRESENTATION THAT THIS IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORS, UH, ASK FOR.
AND I APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU BACKED INTO THE SAME THING MR. PETERSON LOOKING LIKE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN DO THIS ON THEIR OWN HOMES.
THEY COULD, THEY COULD HAVE PUT THESE NINE HOMES HERE AND LIT UP THEIR TENNIS COURTS RIGHT IN THE BACKYARD.
SO I MAYBE WE'RE BEING INCONSISTENT FROM HOW WE'VE TREATED SOME OTHER FOLKS NEAR NEARBY.
BUT, BUT I, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE PROPER THING TO DO IN THIS CASE.
UM, AND WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THE USE OF 'EM.
SO I, IF IT WAS NINE HOMES WITH TENNIS COURTS, THEY COULD LEAVE, THEY COULD PLAY TILL THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND WE REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO DO Y'ALL, DO Y'ALL HAVE A TIME THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO, UM, PUT INTO A CONDITION WITH USE? 10.
10 O'CLOCK WOULD BE? 10 WOULD BE THAT.
AND, AND, UM, IF YOU WANT TO AMEND YOUR PROFFER THAT I WAS JUST GONNA SAY STILL BE LIT, THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST THING TO DO.
PROFFER NUMBER THREE, I GUESS IS THE ONE THAT ADDRESSES LIGHTING.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WERE GONNA PROFFER A CHANGE OR WHETHER WE WERE GONNA DO A CONDITIONAL USE CHANGE.
COULD YOU DO IT CONDITIONAL USE JUST TO HAVE IT IN THERE SO I WON'T HAVE TO REDRAFT IT? LET'S DO IT HERE.
YEAH, LET'S LET, CAN I, CAN I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN ON OF COURSE.
THAT MIGHT HELP YOU ON THE LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL THESE, ALL THESE LAND USE CASES, IT'S LIKE, AND IT'S LAND USE.
CAUSE THE LAND IS UNIQUE, THIS, THIS, AND WITH REGARD TO THE CONSISTENCY AND WE TALK ABOUT COLLEGIATE AND UM, YOU KNOW, THE ST.
THIS IS A UNIQUE CASE TOO, CUZ COLLEGIATE AND ST.
CATHERINE'S, THEY DON'T HAVE A SUBDIVISION IN PLACE.
NOW THAT IS NINE LOTS OF WHICH ARE GOING TO GO AWAY BY WHAT YOU DO.
IF YOU WERE TO GRANT THIS TONIGHT, THOSE HOUSES HAVE LIGHTS, A LOT MORE LIGHTS, FLOOD LIGHTS, ALL KINDS OF LIGHTS.
AND THEY'RE NOT THERE JUST UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING.
THEY CAN BE THERE 24 7 IF THE PEOPLE WANT.
YOU'VE GOTTA, I WOULD THINK, LOOK AT THE BALANCE OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
IF YOU'RE GETTING RID OF THE LIGHTING THAT'S EMITTED BY NINE SUBDIVISION HOUSES AND ALL IT'S GOING IN PLACE, ARE THESE TINY, THEY'RE JUST TWO TENNIS COURTS.
THE NET GAIN FOR THE COUNTY FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE IS LESS LIGHT.
AND, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS COMING FROM WHEN THEY SAID THIS HELPS PRESERVE, ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE CONFERENCE PLANT IN THIS AREA IS TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING FROM A LOT MORE LIGHT, WHICH IS NOT RULE, UH, PRESERVING RULE TO LESS LIGHT, YOU'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING INCONSISTENT.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU, IF YOU'RE COMPARING TO THIS TO, IF YOU COMPARED IT TO ST.
CATHERINE'S AND COLLEGIATE AND THEY EACH HAD SUBDIVISIONS THERE IN PLACE BEFORE
YOU WOULD BE DOING SOMETHING, CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT, UH, OF A LOT LESS LIGHT THAN, THAN WHAT YOU WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE WITH THE ZONING IN PLACE.
SO, BUT, BUT 10 O'CLOCK, I MEAN, THAT WOULD, WOULD CERTAINLY
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NOT BE A PROBLEM AT ALL FOR US.UM, THIS IS AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION.
ANTICIPATE THIS GOING THIS WAY.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE MY PEERS CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD LONGER THAN I HAVE.
I'VE MAYBE HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH NOT HAVE BEEN HAVING MADE SOME OF THESE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT AND TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THESE OTHER PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
BUT AS DEALING WITH WHAT IS IN FRONT OF ME, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT I JUST KEEP COMING BACK TO.
UM, NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONCERN IS ABOUT THIS QUARTER SPECIFICALLY.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S CRIMINAL THAT WE ARE HAMPERING OUR PRIVATE SCHOOLS, BUT WE ALLOW OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO, OUR SCHOOL HAS A CANNON FOR GOODNESS SAKES.
THEY FIRE A CANNON EVERY TIME THEY SCORE A TOUCHDOWN.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE AND MAYBE START TO WRITE THE WRONG THAT WE'RE TREATING OUR PRIVATE SCHOOLS MORE STRICT THAN WE ARE OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S CURRENT CLIMATE.
SO I, I'M, AND, AND ADDING TO THAT, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE AND I, I, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S SAD THAT WE HAVE TO SAY THIS IN THIS DAY AND AGE, BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GET OUT AND GET EXERCISE, UM, I JUST LOOK AROUND AND, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO ENCOURAGE THAT, THAT DOES NOT HAMPER, UM, OTHER FOLKS.
UM, AND, AND LIGHTING TWO TENNIS COURTS DOES NOT SEEM THE, THE, THE, THE TRADE OFF FOR THAT FOR, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I THINK IS, IS WELL, IS WELL WORTH THE BURNED CALORIES AND THE, THAT ARE GONNA BE, THAT ARE GONNA BE OCCURRING.
AND I THINK, I THINK THIS DOES OFFER, UH, SOMETHING TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, SO I JUST, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SITUATIONS WERE WITH COLLEGIATE AND STUDES AND THOSE WITH THE LIGHTINGS AND, AND THAT CORRIDOR.
I, I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT, BUT I AM HERE FOR THIS.
AND IF I LOOK AT LEVEL PLAYING FIELDS FOR OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS, UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, COLLEGIATE HAS TO COME UP HERE TO, THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY LOSE OUT ON HOME GAMES, WHICH IS A BIT, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL.
SO, UM, I DON'T, I THINK, UH, I, I THINK THIS, THIS IS A WORTHY, WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION.
DON'T GET ANY IDEAS ABOUT A CANNON? NO.
BOARD, WE'RE AT THIS FOR A WHILE.
UM, LET'S, SO, UM, OUR SMART AS GOING BACK TO EARLIER DAY, COUNTY ATTORNEY, UM, HAS LOOKED TO, UM, WILL ADD, UH, IMPOSE AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION, UH, THAT WOULD READ THE TWO TENNIS COURTS, WHICH ARE PERMITTED TO HAVE LIGHTING UNDER PROFFER THREE OF RZ 2022 DASH SEVEN.
UM, CANNOT HAVE THE LIGHTS ON AFTER 10:00 PM UM, SO BASICALLY REMEMBER THE ONE CONDITION OF THE CONDITIONER USE SAYS YOU COMPLY WITH THE PROFFERS OF THE, THE RESONING CASE.
THIS WOULD JUST IMPOSE, UM, THAT THE TWO KENNETH TENNIS COURTS THAT ARE LIT ARE LIMITED IN THEIR HOURS.
IF THAT ADDRESSES THE, THE LINING CONCERN AND STILL NEEDS TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT, ALL THE OTHER, UM, RIGHT.
IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T, UM, IT DOESN'T NOT INTENDED TO SURFACE, UM, ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS IF IT WOULD HELP.
BUT THE DARK SKY COMPLIANCES ALREADY REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE, THE FACT THAT IT'S ONLY TOO LIT IS ALREADY IN THE PROFFERS.
SO YOU JUST GO THROUGH THE STEPS THAT YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING THERE.
NOW, THIS, THIS ALSO HAS A TAG ON A LITTLE AWKWARD THAT WE GET THERE, IF THAT'S THE CONCERN.
SO ARE YOU AMENDING PROFFER NUMBER THREE? UH, NO.
UM, THE APPLICANT ASKED INSTEAD THEY DID NOT WANT, WHAT I GATHER IS THE APPLICANT'S NOT WILLING TO AMEND THEIR PROFFER.
UM, SO INSTEAD, UH, STAFF IS PUT FORWARD.
WHAT DO YOU WE'RE PROPOSING TO THE CU UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH WOULD BE THE SECOND CASE TO IMPOSE AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION.
IT WOULD BE CONDITION NUMBER TWO.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROFFERS, NOW I'M TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT CONDITIONS FOR CU 2022, UH, 0 0 0 8.
THESE ARE, I'LL, I'LL GET YOU TO WHAT THAT CONDITION IS.
SO YOU ALREADY HAVE THE, UM, IT'S PAGE, PAGE, UM, 2 0 4 OF OUR PACKET.
SO, SO WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER THE REASON WITH NO CHANGE IN THE LIGHTING EXACTLY AS IT'S WRITTEN.
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FOR THE RESIGNING WOULD STAY THE SAME.AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE C U P IS WHEN WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE TIME.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US? NO.
SO WHAT, THAT'S NOT IN FRONT OF US AT THE MOMENT, RIGHT? WE HAVE STAFF, UH, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS JUST WORKED WITH US TO DRAFT.
UM, WELL IT IS, IT IS IN FRONT OF US.
WE'RE CONSIDERING BOTH CASES WILL VOTE ON THEM SEPARATE.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE CONSIDER, UM, ONCE YOU'RE READY TO, UM, CONSIDER, DO CONSIDERATION, UM, THE Z 2022, UH, 0 0 7 WOULD BE YOUR FIRST CONSIDERATION.
UM, IT'S AN UNDER JUST TO GIVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT SHOULD THE LIGHTING BE A CONCERN OF THE BOARD, WE CAN IMPOSE THIS ADDITIONAL CONDITION IN THE CONDITIONAL USE CASE.
AND YOU'VE DRAFTED THAT WE JUST READ AND WE'VE DRAFTED, THEN WE READ IT AND I CAN PASS IT AROUND SECOND.
THAT'S GONNA BE A SECOND CONDITION.
YOU'VE SHOWN THE ONE CONDITION THAT IS ONLY PRESENT CONDITION, RIGHT? YOU GOTTA HIT ME AND YELL AT ME.
YOU'RE SHOWING ON THE SCREEN THE ONE CONDITION THAT'S IN THE CURRENT CONDITIONS AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THE SECOND ONE TO ADDING A SECOND ONE, WHICH YOU'VE JUST READ.
SO THE APPLICANT, WELL, WELL, I MEAN I ALWAYS, OKAY, YES, IT'S BEEN IMPOSED, BUT ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR THAT.
I THINK WE INVITED THE APPLICANT TO HELP US DRAFT SOMETHING THAT THEY WORKS EXCEPT RIGHT.
WE ASKED THEM THAT WE REQUESTED THAT THEY WANTED TO AMEND THEIR PROFFER.
I SAID, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL IMPOSE THE CONDITION IN OUR CONDITIONING, USE APPROVAL FOR THAT MATTER.
THEY CERTAINLY HAVE AGREED TO IT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE TAKING TWO SEPARATE VOTES.
FIRST ON THE REZONING AND THE SECOND ON THE C P.
SO RIGHT NOW THE C U P TIME HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REZONING.
WELL MEAN MIGHT I JUST ASK THAT QUESTION WENT? NO, IT'S ALL TOGETHER.
NO, THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE FOLKS.
YEAH, I KNOW IT'S CONFUSING WHEN WE DO IT THIS WAY OR THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT SORT OF DOUBLE OVER EACH OTHER.
UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S BEFORE THE BOARD AS FAR AS THE RESETTING.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE C U P AFTER WE HAVE THIS PHOTO.
BECAUSE WE WILL NEED A IN A SECOND AND DISCUSSION.
PLEASE GET A SECOND MR. CHAIR.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK YOU, UM, MR. CHAIR, I MOVED THAT THE BOARD APPROVE REZONING RZ 2022, UH, NUMBER SEVEN FOR 15 PLUS ACRES ON TAX MAP NUMBER 66 DASH EIGHT DASH EIGHT FROM RESIDENTIAL R ONE WITH PROFIT CONDITIONS TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TWO WITH PROFIT CONDITIONS.
AND THIS IS AS PRESENTED, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
MS. LASETTE RELUCTANTLY? I'M VOTING YES.
MS. UM, KINZIE OVER HERE? YES.
NOW WE NEED A MOTION FOR THE SECOND PIECE AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS AS WELL, MR. CHAIR, UH, IF YOU'RE READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, SIR, PLEASE.
UH, MR. CHAIR, UH, I MOVED THAT THE BOARD GRANT CONDITIONALLY USE PERMIT CU 2022, NUMBER EIGHT FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS AT THREE 70 PEMBROKE LANE ON TAX MAP NUMBER 66 DASH EIGHT DASH DASH EIGHT DASH ZERO SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS AMENDED.
AND IF YOU WILL READ THE SECOND CONDITION TO US ONE MORE TIME.
UM, I, I WILL CONSIDER SECOND IN THAT MOTION.
UM, AS DRAFTED, IT WOULD BE TWO, THE TWO TENNIS COURTS WHICH ARE PERMITTED TO HAVE LIGHTING UNDER PROFFER THREE OF RZ 2 0 2 2 DASH 0 0 7, CANNOT HAVE THE LIGHTS ON AFTER 10:00 PM AND JUST CLARIFY, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL, THAT'S A SECOND CONDITION, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE FIRST CONDITION, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO INSTEAD OF THE, THE ONE WAS THE USE COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROFFERS TWO WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION REGARDING THE LIGHTS SECOND.
WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION, MS. LIZETTE.
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UH, HAS NO EXPIRATION.CORRECT? THE C P HAS, UH, COME FORWARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND IT HAS, UH, NO EXPIRATION DATE.
AND WE DON'T, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER CS IN ACCOUNT WITH NO EXPIRATION DATE? UM, UH, I MEAN I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO, TO HAVE ONE COME FORWARD THAT I'VE DONE, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO HAVE THOSE.
WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? UM, THE CIRCUMSTANCE WOULD BE, UM, THE USE IS SOMETHING THAT IS SORT OF AN ADDITIONAL TO AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED USE THAT PERHAPS THE COMMISSIONER BOARD DOESN'T FEEL THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REVISITED.
UM, YOU ARE STANDARDLY THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO OPERATE UNDER THE CONDITIONS OF WHAT YOUR C P IS.
SO SHOULD THEY ACT IN VIOLATION? AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER TODAY WITH THE SOLAR, UM, THERE'S THE ABILITY TO PULL THEM BACK BEFORE THE BOARD TO WITHDRAW THE CONDITION OF YOUR APPROVAL THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WE DID PUT FORWARD A STANDARD FIVE YEAR, UM, CONDITION.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION JUST FELT THAT AS THIS IS OPERATING ACCESSORY TO, OR IN PART OF THE CONJUNCTION OF THE SCHOOL USE, THAT'S ALREADY, UM, LOCATED NEXT DOOR, THAT A TIME LIMIT JUST DID NOT SEE HIM APPROPRIATE.
SO BASED ON THAT LOGIC, BASED ON THAT LOGIC, WHY DO WE HAVE EXPIRATION DATES ON ANYTHING? WELL, I THINK CUZ TYPICALLY IS WHEN YOU INTRODUCE A USE THAT IS, UM, LET'S SAY NEW TO AN AREA.
UM, OR YOU HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO IS NOT A KNOWN, UM, LET'S SAY OPERATOR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, YOU KNOW, OFTEN YOU HAVE THE CONDITIONAL USE IS OFTEN A USE THAT'S KIND OF UNIQUE AND VERY CIRCUMSTANTIAL.
AND SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT CAN ACTUALLY LIVE UP TO THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES OR IS WILLING TO FOLLOW THE, THE ABILITIES THAT WERE PUT FORWARD, THE REQUESTS THAT WAS PUT FORWARD.
UM, THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES IS THAT YOU MAY LIMIT A USE OR CONDITIONAL USE TO SORT OF LET IT START OPERATING TO SEE HOW IT'S OPERATING AND WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR THE RENEWAL, UM, WE OFTEN HAVE HAD CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE WOULD SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'D LIKE TO EXPAND THE USE OR WE RECOGNIZE THAT PERHAPS THIS ISN'T USING IN MY, IN MY EXPERIENCE I'VE HAD CONDITIONALLY USED HAS COME FORWARD, UM, FOR RENEWALS.
AND WE REALIZED, WELL YOU'RE NOT REALLY OPERATING PROPERLY IN THIS WAY.
WE SEE THERE'S, UH, SOME COMPLAINTS IN THE, LIKE WE REQUEST THAT, UM, WE NOT RENEW THE RENEW IT OR WE ASK FOR ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THE SECOND TIME AROUND.
BUT THAT WOULD BE A REASON TO HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE.
SO IT'S NOT, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT UNUSUAL IN MY EXPERIENCE FOR A CONDITIONING USE NOT TO HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE.
BUT MOST FREQUENTLY, AS WE'RE TALKING AGAIN TONIGHT CONSISTENTLY, WE DO TYPICALLY ASK FOR AN EXPIRATION DATE.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER ONE IN, IN 11 YEARS THAT HAD NO EXPIRATION DATE.
I MEAN, MAYBE WE'VE DONE ONE INITIAL, BUT YOU MEAN FROM THE INITIAL USE, NOT RENEWALS? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
TYPICALLY, I MEAN, IT'S OUT OF OUR PRACTICE MM-HMM.
I MEAN THAT'S ACCESSORY ACCESSORY.
IT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT'S ALREADY GOING ON ON THAT PROPERTY RIGHT.
IS A RESIDENTIAL USE FOR FAMILY.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE PUT FIVE YEARS THERE AND THEN WE TURN AROUND AND DO UNLIMITED IT, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
UM, CUZ EACH OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE IS AN INVESTMENT FROM THAT PROPERTY OWNER BASED UPON OUR QUESTION.
HE IS MSM, DID YOU HAVE SOME WE CERTAINLY HAVE HAD, UH, CS THAT DON'T HAVE, UM, EXPIRATIONS FROM THE FIRST.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES INTO PLAY WITH THAT IS THE EXTENT OF THE, UM, INVESTMENT BEING MADE TO, TO BRING, TO FRUITION THE USE ON THIS PROPERTY.
WHEN YOU HAVE A GARAGE THAT YOU'RE GONNA LET A FAMILY MEMBER STAY IN, YOU MAY MAKE SOME CHANGES THERE, BUT OTHER THAN PUTTING IN A SINK, YOU COULD USE THAT STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW FOR IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY.
BUT WHEN THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE YEAH, THAT'S JUST ONE.
I MEAN, CAN YOU, I CAN'T THINK OF ONE THAT WE'VE APPROVED ON THE INITIAL APPLICATION WITH NO EXPIRATION DATE.
I MEAN I DON'T HAVE A GREAT MEMORY.
I DON'T IF MS. SHERRY COULD COME UP WITH ONE.
THE ONE WE JUST APPROVED FOR PROJECT ROCKY, UH, WE ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND SO NOBODY'S GONNA BE ASKING HIM TO TAKE THAT BUILDING HEIGHT DOWN IN FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS.
SO, UM, THAT, UM, MS. MCGEE IS CORRECT, UM, MAJORITY OF THE ONES THAT WE DO WITHOUT AN EXPIRATION DATE DO HAVE TO DO WITH SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENTS, UM, CHURCHES, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES WHEN THERE'S A NEW BUILD, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF ONES
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THAT ARE, ARE TYPICALLY, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE TEMPORARY IN USE THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE A, UH, EXTENDED ONE.THE ONE THING ABOUT THE, UH, THIS ONE IN, CUZ THIS WAS A DISCUSSION CUZ WE INITIALLY DID, UM, RECOMMEND THE FIVE YEARS, UH, THE FACT THAT THE CONDITION, UH, THE NUMBER ONE CONDITION IS DIRECTLY LINKED BACK TO, UM, THE, THE PROFFERS AND THE, UM, THE FACT THAT IT IS GOING TO BE USING AS A SCHOOL AND THERE IS AN INVESTMENT GOING ON AND IT'S RELATED TO IT.
SO IT COULD NEVER BE USED BY SOMEBODY ELSE.
UM, I THINK IS THE, UH, INTENT OF WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY ARGUED FOR THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, AT THE PLANNING BISHOP MEETING.
USUALLY THEY, THEY INVOLVE A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT BEFORE WE DON'T HAVE CONDITIONS.
I MEAN, WHAT WOULD BE THE HARM IN BRINGING THEM BACK IN 10, 5, 10 YEARS? WHAT'S THE HARM IN THAT? WELL AGAIN, STAFF IS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED THE, UM, THE FIVE YEARS.
IT WAS THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION'S, UH, UH, UH, WILL TO UH, RECOMMEND NOT HAVING IT.
PERHAPS THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO ARGUE, UH, WHY, WHY IT IS IMPORTANT NOT TO HAVE IT.
SO IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR FIVE YEARS? IT WAS, UM, INITIALLY.
THANK YOU INITIALLY, MR. I MEAN YES SIR.
IS THE CONCERN, UH, A NEW APPLICANT VERSUS A RENEWAL OR ABSOLUTELY DON'T DO IT FOR ANYONE ELSE.
WELL THE APPLICANT IS NOT NEW.
IT'S STILL BEEN ADDICTING AND THE USE OF BALL FIELDS, I MEAN IT'S A NEW USE, IT'S NOT NEW.
THE BALL FIELDS ON RIVER ROAD IS BY BENEDICTING IS NOT NEW.
IT'S JUST, IT'S THE C U P MAY'S THE C APPLICANT.
MAY WE AND WE DON'T NEVER DONE IT FOR ANYONE ELSE.
I THINK, I THINK IF WE STEP BACK, LOOK AT THE TWO CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE C P, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE OF THE TYPE THAT THERE, THERE'S, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE WOULD NEED TO REVIEW IT.
I MEAN USE OF THE ATHLETIC FIELDS DESIGN AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE APPLICABLE PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
AND THAT'S REFERRING BACK TO THE REZONING CASE, CORRECT? YES.
AND THE SECOND ONE WE JUST ADDED REFERS BACK TO A RESTRICTION ON A PRO CONDITION.
I MEAN ON A PROFFER IN A REZONING CASE.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE DIFFERENT.
THEY BOTH, THEY BOTH REFER BACK TO A REZONING CASE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO REVIEW.
UH, WHAT ABOUT THE NOISE? WEREN'T WE TALK, TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SOME KIND OF A C P CONDITION ON NOISE? IT IT DIDN'T JUST ANOTHER CONDITION.
PROBABLY THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT MAYBE, UH, REVIEW WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
BUT THAT'S NOT ONE THAT'S IN THE MOTION BEFORE US.
IT SHOULD BE, I DON'T THINK SO.
WE HAVE IT FIRST AND A SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION.
SO WE DON'T WANNA ADD, CONSIDER ADDING ANYTHING ABOUT NOISE EVEN THOUGH THE NEIGHBORS ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT AS AN ISSUE.
IS THERE A NOISE RESTRICTION ON THE EXISTING FIELDS? I HAVE NO IDEA.
STAFF APPLICANT SETTING? UM, STAFF'S NOT AWARE OF ONE.
CAUSE THERE WAS NO RESTRICTIONS.
THERE BEEN A BIG, I'M JUST VERIFYING, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS ONE
BUT THE EXISTING FIELDS AREN'T RIGHT NEXT TO THE POOLS EITHER, ARE THEY? I MEAN, EXISTING HOMES ARE NOT RIGHT NEXT TO THE EXISTING FIELDS.
THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO, I MEAN WE HAVE, WE HAVE HIGH GROVE CALLING ME ABOUT CANNONS GOING OFF AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE'RE NOT MAKING OUR SCHOOLS DO ANYTHING AGAIN WITH THE CAN IS I IT'S, I I IT'S WHAT THEY CALL ABOUT.
UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE NOT GOING OFF A LOT THIS YEAR.
PREVIOUS SERIAL CASE THAT'S NOT RECORDED.
YOU STRIKE THAT FROM THE RECORD.
GO BACK AND POSTPRODUCTION AND TAKE THAT OUT.
YEAH, THERE'S NOT, I I THERE'S NOT, I DON'T, SO THERE IS NOT A CONDITION REGARDING, UH, VA SYSTEM OR SOUND OR SOUND NOISE ON THE 2005 NOT BEING INCLINED TO IMPOSE FOR THE RESTRICTIONS.
THERE IS A, YOU MENTIONED IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS A SIDE AGREEMENT ON THAT BETWEEN THE OTHER TWO PARTIES.
IT'S RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? BOARD? DARE I CALL FOR THE VOTE? ROLL CALL VOTE.
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OKAY.THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR THIS EVENING.
UH, THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION.
WE WILL BE ADJOURNED TO OCTOBER 18TH WHERE WE, THE BOARD WILL BE MOVING INTO SPECIAL, UH, TO CLOSE SESSION TO REVIEW APPLICATIONS FOR, UH, THE, UH, APPLICANTS THAT ARE APPLYING TO FINISH OUT MR. SHARP'S TERM.
AND, UH, WE WILL ALSO, UH, BE CONVENING TO THE EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION LUNCHEON AT THE GUP GLAND SPORTS COMPLEX GYMNASIUM TUESDAY,
[XV. Adjournment: The Board of Supervisors will adjourn as follows:]
NOVEMBER 1ST AT 1130, AND THEN OUR REGULAR BOARD MEETING, NOVEMBER 1ST AT 2:00 PM AND A 6:00 PM PUBLIC HEARING.