Oct 06, 2022 Planning Commission Meeting 10-6-22

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THAT THE GOOD EVENING.

IT'S

[1. Call To Order]

MS. PARKER, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU.

PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE

[2. Pledge of Allegiance]

THUS FRANK, GRACIOUS GOD, THANK YOU FOR OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM.

WE MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO MEET HERE SAFELY.

BLESS AND KEEP THOSE WHO STILL DO.

THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME TO GATHER, TAKE CARE OF THE COUNTY BUSINESS.

WE PRAY THAT YOU GRANT EACH OF US THE WISDOM TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

PLEASE BE WITH EACH PERSON HERE AND GIVE THEM GUIDANCE.

BE WITH EACH OF US AS WE TRAVEL BACK HOME AND SEND YOUR NAME, WE PRAY, AMEN.

AMEN.

UM, MINUTES.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY

[4. Approval of Minutes]

WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.

A SECOND MOTION AND APPROVED.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR.

HI.

UM, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.

[5. Citizen Comment Period]

UH, BUT NOT PERTAINING TO ANY OF TONIGHT'S, UH, EVENTS AFTER YOU.

YOU'RE FAST.

WISH MY GOLF SWIM WAS THE SAME EARLIER TODAY, BUT THAT'S DAYS.

WELL, GOOD EVENING.

UH, MY NAME IS ANUS TALLY.

I'M AN ATTORNEY IN RICHMOND WHITER TAYLOR PRESTON LAW FIRM, UH, BEGINNING TO DO A LITTLE MORE ZONING WORK OUT HERE IN THE COUNTY AND WANTED TO COME AND MAKE AN INTRODUCTION.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT.

THANK YOU AND YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MS. JACKSON, UH, JONATHAN ALLOW 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD, UM, AT THE TUESDAY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.

UM, MR. CASH DID A REALLY GOOD JOB, UH, PRESENTING, UH, A, A PROPOSED, I, I'LL CALL IT AN ORDINANCE OR GUIDELINE FOR SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITIES IN SOLAR STORAGE FACILITIES.

AND THE BOARD, YOU HAVE PROBABLY BEEN ADVISED OR GOING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD TO YOU GUYS, AND MY ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WAS TO PROVIDE AS BIG A FORM OR AS FREQUENT A FORM FOR COMMUNITY INPUT.

UH, SPEAKING SOMEWHAT FROM A AGRICULTURAL PERSPECTIVE, UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOW COST SOLUTION FOR MANY OF THE SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITY CONSTRUCTS TO SPEND THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY, UH, IN PUTTING THESE FACILITIES IN PLACE THAT OFTENTIMES INVOLVES THE USE OF AGRICULTURAL LAND.

UH, WHETHER OR NOT BROWN LAND RECLAIMED, UH, TRASH DUMPS OR QUARRIES COULD BE USED, UH, WOULD BE A LOT MORE, I THINK, LOGICAL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I'M ALSO A PROPERTY RIGHTS PERSON, SO I'M NOT GONNA TELL SOMEBODY THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING.

NOT THAT I COULD TELL SOMEBODY THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR PROPERTY, BUT I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT YOU PROVIDE AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR LATITUDE IS IN COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND PUBLIC MEETINGS.

IT, IT, IT IS A BIT OF A THIRD RAIL.

I PERSONALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF SOLAR ENERGY.

I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF AGRICULTURAL LAND, STAYING AGRICULTURAL.

I HAVE GOTTEN ACCUSTOMED TO EATING AT LEAST ONE MEAL A DAY, AND INVARIABLY THAT COMES THROUGH THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY.

SO, UM, WHEN THAT GETS TO YOU, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO EXPAND

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IF YOU CAN'T, UH, WE'LL FIND PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES AND KEEP YOU HERE FOR UNTIL TWO OR THREE IN THE MORNING.

SO, NOT THAT I'M SUGGESTING THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN, BUT, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR COMMENTS.

MS. PARKER, DO WE HAVE ANY REQUESTS TO DEFER,

[6. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions, or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings]

UH, PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, OUR FIRST IS 2022,

[1. 2022 District 5; 2011 District 5 CU-2022-00012 - Application by Steven & Laura]

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE.

THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 1 52, AND ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15 2 85 A.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY.

THANK YOU, MS. PARKER.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THE FIRST APPLICATION WE HAVE THIS EVENING IS AN APPLICATION BY STEVEN AND LAURA MERE FOR AN ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT.

DETACH.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST PORTION OF THE COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY IN LOWER TUCKAHOE SUBDIVISION.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY.

THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN STRUCTURE RIGHT THERE.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL WHEN WE GO TO THE SITE PLAN.

SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A, UM, A SECONDARY HOUSE ON A 15 ACRE PARCEL.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S CURRENTLY A HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THERE'S ALSO A POOL HOUSE IN SEVERAL OUT BUILDINGS.

UH, THE NEW HOUSE, UH, THE DETACHED FAMILY HOUSE WILL BE, UM, ON THAT BLUE, UH, WHERE IT'S MARKED BLUE, IT WILL BE TO AN EXISTING GARAGE.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO HAVE AN ADDITION THAT INCLUDES THE HOUSE AS WELL AS A SECOND GARAGE.

UM, ON THAT, ON THAT SAME BUILDING, UM, THE APPLICANT'S PARENTS WILL BE LIVING IN THE, THE NEW HOUSING UNIT AND THEY WILL ACCESS THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE SAME DRIVEWAY.

THE EXISTING HOUSES.

THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING BACK IN AUGUST.

UH, BOARD SUPERVISOR MEMBER MR. SPOON, HOWARD AND TWO CITIZENS WERE IN ATTENDANCE.

UM, THE CITIZENS THAT WERE IN ATTENDANCE WERE, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THIS REQUEST, AND WE ALSO RECEIVED ONE LETTER SUPPORTING THIS APPLICATION.

UH, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UM, ARE RECOMMENDED IF YOU, UH, CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

UH, THE FIRST ONE ALLOWS FOR A DETACH ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT WITH CERTAIN LIMITATIONS THAT INCLUDE, UM, ONLY RESIDENTS CAN LIVE IN THE SECOND DWELLING, AND THAT YOU CANNOT RENT EITHER THE HOUSE OR THE SECOND DWELLING.

UM, INDIVIDUALLY SAFETY MEASURES INCLUDE PROVIDING CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTORS AND SMOKE DETECTORS AND ALLOWING FOR, UM, AND MAINTAINING, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS.

THIS IS APPLICATION WITH, UM, CONDITIONS THAT HAVE A FIVE NEW FIVE YEAR RENEWAL.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO RENEW THIS, UM, BY THE END OF NOVEMBER, 2027.

AND LASTLY, THE TRANSFER OR OWNERSHIP, WHICH REQUIRES THEM TO NOTIFY THE COUNTY IF THEY EITHER LEASE OR SELL THE PROPERTY.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

NO QUESTIONS.

VERY GOOD.

DOES THIS FALL INTO, INTO, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION FOR LOWER TACO WOULD HAVE SOME SAY IN THE MATTER ALSO? UM, THEY HAVE, UM, UH, I, THE APPLICANT SPEAK CAN SPEAK TO THIS MORE, BUT AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING IT WAS, UH, THEY DID HAVE REPRESENTATIVES THERE AND, UH, THEIR ACTUAL PROPERTY, WHICH IF YOU, UH, SAW IN THE AERIAL IS KIND OF A BIG PIECE TOWARDS THE END OF THE LOT.

FOR SOME REASON, THE COVENANTS DO NOT PERTAIN TO THEM.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

WELL, THANK, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.

MY WIFE FLORA, AND I'M STEVEN MYREK.

UM, THE PURPOSE OF US HAVING IT ATTACHED HOUSE VERSUS ATTACHED FROM A MAIN HOUSE IS THE, THE FACT THAT OUR GARAGE IS, IS DETACHED FROM THE HOUSE.

AND SO FOR THIS IN-LAW SUITE THAT WE'RE BUILDING, WE'D LIKE IT TO BE IN, IN, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH

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AS A RESULT, IT BECOMES A DETACHED, UH, HOME, UH, WHICH THEN LEADS TO ALL OF THIS, UM, COMPLEXITY, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL IN-LAW SUITE FOR, UH, FOR AGING.

UH, MY AGING IN-LAWS AND MY WIFE'S PARENTS.

UM, AND I DON'T FORESEE THERE REALLY BEING ANY, ANY ISSUES WITH IT, FRANKLY.

UM, GENTLEMEN, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WE'D JUST LIKE TO TAKE CARE OF MOM AND DAD.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

WE UNDERSTAND.

OKAY.

NOTHING ELSE THEN WE'LL HAVE A, WE PROCEEDED.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY.

IS THERE ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS OR IN THE EVENING? AGAIN, JONATHAN LA 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.

UM, I WAS ONE OF THE TWO CITIZENS THAT ATTENDED THE, UH, COMMUNITY HEARING.

I WAS SUPPORTIVE OF IT AT THAT TIME.

NOTHING'S CHANGED, SO I'M STILL SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

AND, UH, I HOPE I'VE NOT REALLY SEEN THIS COMMISSION EVER NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON SOMETHING THAT IS A DETACHED FAMILY AUXILIARY UNIT.

UH, I THINK THAT THE OPERATIVE WORD FOR ME IN THIS IS THE WORD FAMILY.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME INTERESTING TIMES GOING ON AND WHEN YOU SEE SOMEBODY WHO STEPS UP AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF FAMILY, THAT'S A PRETTY STRONG STATEMENT.

AND, UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO DO THAT FOR MY IN-LAWS.

YOU KNOW, THE SAYING THAT GOD GIVES US FAMILY, SO WE DON'T FIGHT WITH STRANGERS .

BUT, UM, I I THINK THAT THEY ARE, UH, EXPRESSING A REAL SENSE OF FAMILY.

UM, I HOPE YOU WILL APPROVE IT.

I WOULD BE CHAGRINED IF YOU DID NOT, BUT, UH, I'VE LEARNED, NEVER TRY TO PREDICT WHAT A PLANNING COMMISSION WILL DO.

SO, UH, I DO HOPE THAT YOU WILL, UH, CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT DETACHED FAMILY UNIT STRING OF YOURS ALIVE AND, AND VOTE FOR APPROVAL.

THANKS.

THANK YOU, .

ANY DISCUSSION? MOTION? YEAH, I, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

IF THIS, IF THIS WAS ATTACHED, THIS WOULD NOT BE A CASE THAT'S CORRECT.

THIS WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

BE AN ADDITION.

IT'S AN ADDITION.

THERE IS AN AFFIDAVIT, UM, REQUIREMENT THAT THE COUNTY HAS.

SO IF THEY COME IN, WHEN THEY GET, WHEN WE GET THE BUILDING PERMIT, THEY JUST SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT BASICALLY SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE FOR, UM, FAMILY USE.

THANK YOU.

I GOT ONE.

QUE IT ALWAYS BOTHERS YOU WHAT HAPPENS.

AND IT'S ALWAYS INEVITABLE THAT THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THERE PASS AWAY.

SO THEY CAN'T THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN GO IN THERE AS ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S THE WAY THEY CONDITIONS READ.

THEY CAN'T USE IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

WELL, THEY CAN USE IT FOR A NON, AS A NON DWELLING.

I MEAN, THEY COULD USE IT FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD USE IT AS A STORAGE BUILDING, LIKE REMOVE THE, THE, UM, THE KITCHEN AND HAVE IT FOREVER AND EVER JUST BE A, UM, A STORAGE BUILDING OR, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE, BUT THEY JUST CAN'T HAVE ANYBODY LIVING THERE THAT IS NOT, UM, FAMILY UNDER THE CURRENT C P THAT THEY COULD COME BACK AND GET ANOTHER C P AND, AND DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT OR APPLY FOR ONE.

SO I BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR, UM, IF, IF YOU WANT TO RENT IT, IT WOULD BE A QUESTION THAT THEY COULD, UM, BRING BEFORE YOU AND YOU CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE U STANDARDS.

OKAY.

NEW APPLICATION.

I MAY WE APPROVE IT.

NO.

SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR.

THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A FIVE OF VOTE.

THIS CASE WILL BE HEARD BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON NOVEMBER 1ST, 2022, WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

OUR FINAL ITEM TONIGHT FOR PUBLIC HEARING IS 2022, DISTRICT FOUR AND FIVE 2011,

[2. 2022 Districts 4 & 5; 2011 Districts 4 & 5 - CU-1989-00014B - Application by]

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO.

THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 1 12.

THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT.

THANK YOU, MS. PARKER.

THE NEXT APPLICATION IS FOR AN AMENDMENT TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BY COLUMBIA.

AGAIN, UM, THEY ARE BASICALLY DOING SOME, UM, EXPANSION, UM, SOME, SOME PRETTY

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AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE, UM, BACK HERE THIS EVENING BEFORE YOU.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.

UM, A IT HAS A HERMITAGE ROAD, UH, ADDRESS, BUT IT'S JUST OFF HERMITAGE ROAD AS YOU CAN SEE HERE.

UM, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED, UM, AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, AS IS THE, UM, PROPERTY TO THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH.

UM, IT IS, UH, UM, RURAL, RURAL, UM, RESIDENTIAL ON THE, UH, THE WESTERN SIDE.

UM, I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE AERIAL.

THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA, AS IS ALL THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

AND HERE IS THE AERIAL.

SO AS I MENTIONED, UM, IT IS OFF HERMITAGE ROAD.

THIS IS ACTUALLY HERMITAGE ROAD.

THERE IS ACTUALLY A DRIVEWAY.

IT LOOKS AS THOUGH IT IS, UM, UM, ON THE HUNTING, HUNTING RIDGE.

I'M AFRAID I CAN'T READ THAT, SORRY, ROAD.

BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ON A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES BEYOND THAT.

SO, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

UH, THE, THE COMPRESSION STATION ACTUALLY PREDATES THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SO WE KNOW IT'S AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD.

BACK IN 1970, AFTER OUR ORDINANCE WAS AMENDMENT, THEY DID, UM, A SMALL EXPANSION AND SO WE'VE REQUIRED THEM TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

UH, WAS AMENDED AGAIN WHEN THEY ADDED ADDITIONAL COMPRESSORS BACK IN 1989.

MOST RECENTLY, IT WAS BEFORE, UM, THIS BOARD IN TWO, IN 2017 WHEN THEY ADDED A DELIVERY STATION FOR 0.4, THE CITY OF RICHMOND.

AND THEY'RE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY ARE PROPOSING ANOTHER EXPANSION IN SOME, UM, I GUESS, UPGRADES TO THE FACILITY.

SO MORE SPECIFICALLY, UM, I'M GONNA JUST RUN THROUGH THIS SO I MAKE SURE I DON'T FORGET ANYTHING.

UM, THEY'RE GONNA REPLACE THE EXISTING NATURAL GAS PIPING, REPLACE THE EXISTING COMBUSTION POWERED COMPRESSORS WITH ELECTRIC MOTOR, UM, COMBUST, UM, COMPRESSOR UNITS, INSTALL NEW ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION THAT WILL AID THOSE COMPRESSOR UNITS THAT ARE NOW ELECTRIC.

UH, CONSTRUCT A NEW BUILDING TO HOUSE THE NEW COMPRESSORS, CONSTRUCT NEW AUXILIARY BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES IN LARGE FENCING AREA TO ENCLOSE THE NEW COMPRESSOR AND, UM, RELOCATE INTERNAL DRIVEWAYS.

THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO HAVE A TEMPORARY LAYDOWN TO BE USED FOR MATERIALS DURING CONSTRUCTION.

UH, SO OH, TEMPORARY LAYDOWN YARD.

THE LAYDOWN YARD IS NECESSARY DUE TO THE REPLACEMENT OF, UM, THE BUILDINGS AND PIPING TO BE INSTALLED.

UM, THERE IS A LARGE ENOUGH AREA THAT EXISTS.

UM, SO, SO, UM, TREES CAN REMAIN.

UM, THERE WILL BE SOME AREAS WHERE A TREE WILL BE REMOVED, UH, TO PROVIDE FOR THE LAY DOWN YARD, WHICH WILL BE COVERED WITH GRAVEL.

UM, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED, UM, TO COVER THAT AREA WITH GRASS AND DO SOME REPLANTING OF, UM, TREES DURING THE PLANT OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, PORTION OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

THEY'LL NEED TO GET A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT TO, TO SHOW THIS.

AND, UM, AT THAT TIME, WE WILL LOOK AND SEE WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE, UM, THE, TO MAINTAIN THE BUFFER.

SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON ON THIS SLIDE.

UH, THIS, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY A STAFF EMBELLISHED, UM, VERSION OF IT.

UH, SO BEAR WITH ME AS I MAKE THE DESCRIPTION.

SO THE SHADED AREAS SHOW THE NEW AREAS THAT, UM, TO THE TOP HERE, THIS IS WHERE THEY'LL BE EXPANDING THEIR FENCE AREA.

THIS NEW BUILDING RIGHT HERE IS TO, UM, HOUSE THE NEW ELECTRIC, UM, UM, COMPRESSORS, UH, THE EXISTING COMPRESSOR STATION.

AND, UH, SEVERAL OF THESE BUILDINGS WILL REMAIN, AS I MENTIONED, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS DESCRIPTION, THEY ARE PROPOSING A NEW, UM, SUBSTATION, ELECTRIC SUBSTATION TO ACTUALLY, UM, RUN THE COMPRESSORS.

THIS IS AN AERIAL, UH, PHOTO OF THE LAY DOWN YARD THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

SO, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER PICTURES THAT MIGHT HELP YOU DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

SO, UM, HERE'S THE EXISTING SITE.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY ALONG THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

THEY'RE GONNA BE PROPOSING TWO ENTRANCES TO AN AREA THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS PRETTY MUCH ALREADY CLEARED.

UM, SO THEY'LL BE ENTERING THIS WAY AND EXITING THIS WAY AS THEY'RE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE LAY DOWN YARD.

UM, THIS WILL BE THE DRIVEWAY THAT, UM, LEADS TO IT.

AND THIS IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE, THE VIEWS, UM, FROM RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM THE DRIVEWAY AS IT STATES.

UM, THE ONE FOR THE LAY DOWN YARD IS ACTUALLY LOOKING, UM, FROM THE, WHERE THE NEW DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE WILL BE.

AND BEHIND THOSE TREES ARE WHERE THE EXISTING SUBSTATION IS.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ALREADY PRETTY WELL SCREENED.

THIS IS ACTUALLY WITHIN THAT AREA.

UM, SO YOU WOULD APPROACH THE, UM, THE FACILITY OFF THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN PULL INTO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY

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AND THEN THE, THE OTHER PICTURE IS JUST AN AERIAL.

SO, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, THE NATURAL GAS, UM, SERVICE LIMITATIONS.

SO THE VIRGINIA STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION REGULATES NATURAL GAS AND DEFINES SERVICE THE SERVICE AREAS.

COLUMBIA NATURAL GAS IS THE PROVIDER THAT SERVES GUGLIN COUNTY.

THE APPLICANT, COLUMBIA GAS TRANSMISSION LLC, UM, HAS A SIMILAR NAME BUT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ENTITY.

SO THE, DURING THIS PROCESS THERE, THERE'S THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO THEN PROVIDE CONNECTIONS WITHIN, UM, THE COUNTY.

BASED ON THE, THE, THE CHANGE ON THIS FACILITY, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD BACK IN AUGUST, UH, SIX CITIZENS ATTENDED.

UH, THEY WERE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE AS LONG AS THE NOISE CONSTRUCTION TA, TRAFFIC AND BUFFER IMPACTS ARE PROPERLY MITIGATED AND STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO, UM, OPPOSITION TO THIS APPLICATION.

SO, UM, AS I HAD MENTIONED, THIS APPLICATION HAS GONE THROUGH A COUPLE DIFFERENT, UM, VERSIONS AS IT'S BEEN AMENDED OVER THE YEARS.

SO, UM, SOME OF THESE ARE HOUSEKEEPING, SOME OF 'EM ARE, UM, BECAUSE, UH, THE EXISTING, UH, CONDITION NO LONGER PERTAIN.

SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THESE, UM, AND UH, KIND OF EXPLAIN THEM.

OF COURSE.

NUMBER ONE IS OUR SAYING THAT THIS USE IS ACTUALLY ALLOWED.

NUMBER TWO TALKS ABOUT, UM, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE TWO EXHIBITS TO ALLOW FOR THE, THE FENCING AND, AND THE OTHER NEW STRUCTURES.

UH, LET'S SEE, UH, NUMBER THREE, UH, STATES THAT THEY WILL NEED TO GET A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT APPROVED BEFORE THEY CAN, UH, START CONSTRUCTION, UH, NOISE EMISSIONS.

SO, UM, THIS IS NOT A CHANGE.

UH, THIS IS A NOISE EMISSION THAT WAS, UH, THE DETAILED WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, APPROVED.

THEY, UM, HAVE SPECIFIC DETAILS AS FAR AS WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO, UM, THE NOISE THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO EMIT.

AND IT GOES FOR A COUPLE OF, UM, WE INCLUDED THAT JUST CUZ IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

BACK IN 2017 WHEN, UM, THEY PROPOSED THE EXPANSION WHERE THEY WERE, UM, UH, DOING THE, UM, EXPANSION TO THE CITY OF RICHMOND, THEY ACTUALLY DID DO A, UM, A, A SOUND, A NOISE STUDY AT THAT POINT AND IT WAS WITHIN THE, UM, C U P REQUIREMENTS.

UM, THE APPLICANT WILL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT TURNING TO ELECTRIC COMPRESSORS ACTUALLY IT COULD MITIGATE SOME OF THE SOUND, UH, THAT COMES FROM THERE EVEN MORE.

UM, THERE'S ALSO CONDITIONS THAT TALK ABOUT GLARE AND LIGHTING.

UM, UH, PARTIAL, UM, UM, DIMINUATION, I GUESS THAT'S HOW YOU SAY THAT.

BASICALLY THEY'RE ABLE TO, OF THE 29, IF THEY'RE NOT USING ALL THE 29 ACRES, THEY CAN SELL A PORTION OF IT AND THEY DO NOT NEED TO COME BACK IN AND REDO THEIR C P AS LONG AS THEY ARE STILL MEETING ALL THE CONDITIONS ON THE C P.

UM, THE AESTHETIC BUFFERS, I THINK I'D MENTIONED, UH, PROBABLY A COUPLE TIMES ALREADY THAT, UM, THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH, THEY ARE DOING SOME TAKING DOWN OF SOME TREES AND THEY AREN'T PROVIDING A LANDSCAPE PLAN BEFORE YOU NOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE OFFICIAL PLANS.

BUT WHEN THEY, UM, DO THE, UM, PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS COMING DOWN.

WE AS STAFF WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT MEETS THE, UM, CONDITIONS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU AND THE LAYDOWN YARD, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THEY ARE GOING TO NEED A TEMPORARY LAYDOWN YARD AND THEY ARE, UM, UH, DOING THIS DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THERE'S SOME, UH, SPECIFIC, UM, CONDITIONS THAT RELATE TO THAT.

SO, UM, THERE HAVE ONE YEAR TO, UM, TO, TO HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THE LAY DOWN YARD FOR A YEAR.

UM, AND THEN THEY DO HAVE A, UM, A REPLANTING PLAN, UH, THAT IS ALSO PART OF ANYTHING THAT COULD BE, UM, TAKEN DOWN.

NUMBER EIGHT IS, UH, THE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTIONS.

WE'VE ADDED THAT, UM, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE A RATHER LONG CONSTRUCTION PERIOD.

UM, THEY HAVE, UH, SIX, I MEAN 7:00 AM TO 6:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.

AND THERE'S SOME DETAILS AS TO WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO DURING THAT TIME.

AND THEN LASTLY, UM, OUR STANDARD TRANSFER OR LEASE, WHICH REQUIRES THEM TO NOTIFY THE COUNTY IF THEY, UM, IF THEY SELL THE PROPERTY OR LEASE IT.

JUST ANOTHER ENTITY.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'M ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I CAN AND THE APPLICANT IS GONNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY MORE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.

THEY'RE HERE AS WELL.

QUESTIONS? NICE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU MS. SHERRY.

OKAY, VERY GOOD.

THE APPLICANT LIKE THIS SPEAK, COME ON UP.

I'M JUST GONNA EXPLAIN TO YOU REAL QUICK.

IF YOU NEED TO GO IN, YOU MIND THE, UM, BACK, WE'LL BACK IT UP TO THE CORRECT.

UM, I'LL MESS WITH THE ACTUAL, I'LL BREAK IT.

, I HAVE TO HAVE MY, I'LL HELP, I HAVE TO HAVE MY SON HERE TO DO THAT FOR ME.

UM, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU.

I'M CEDRIC KLEIN, I'M THE AREA LAND REPRESENTATIVE.

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HAVE WITH ME MR. RODNEY KIMBLE.

HE'S OUR PROJECT MANAGER.

HE KNOWS EVERYTHING.

SO THE QUESTION I QUITE, I'M DID IT FOR YOU ALSO WITH, WE'VE GOT OUR LOCAL JUST PERMIT SPECIALIST, KEVIN PENN WITH BERRY, JUST TO KIND OF WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THE STUFF, PAPERWORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND BE A GUIDE FOR US.

SO, YEAH.

SO JUST CURIOUS, SINCE YOU'RE SWITCHING TO, UM, ELECTRIC POWER COMPRESSORS, IS THERE GONNA BE A PROBLEM WHEN THERE'S A POWER OUTAGE? WELL, ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, THE MAIN DRIVER IS GONNA BE ELECTRIC DRIVEN.

UM, THIS IS A NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT THERE THAT IF YOU WANNA GO ONLINE, LOOK UP A DUAL DRIVE TECHNOLOGY, WHAT ACTUALLY IS HAPPENING, THERE'S TWO MOTORS.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A CATERPILLAR, UH, GAS DRIVEN MOTOR, AND THEN THERE'S ELECTRIC, UM, MOTOR THAT'S GONNA DRIVE COMPRESSOR.

UM, THE PRIMARY DRIVER WILL BE ELECTRIC.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PERMITTING THROUGH FE.

THE A THE GAS DRIVEN MOTOR IS THERE ONLY FOR EMERGENCIES.

IT'S ONLY GONNA BE PERMITTED FOR 500 HOURS.

AND THAT'S HOW WE ARE, UH, REDUCING OUR GREENHOUSE GASES AND ALSO GETTING RELIABILITY.

SO THE PLAN IS IF EVERYTHING GOES GREAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY STORMS. WE'LL BE ON THE ELECTRIC AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE BACKUP IF CASE IF WE LOSE THE, THE POWER COMING INTO THE STATION.

YOUR ENGINE, IS THAT RUN ON NATURAL GAS? YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

COMPRESSORS ARE CURRENTLY RUN BY TURBINE ENGINES.

THE CURRENT, CURRENT PURPOSE OF TECHNOLOGY IS TURINE.

YES.

AND THAT'S, SO IS MY UNDERSTANDING YEARS AGO THAT THEY'RE PRETTY EASY TO CHANGE OUT.

IS THIS GONNA STILL BE EASY TO, I ASSUME Y'ALL ARE MAKING YOUR JOB EASIER? NOT MORE DIFFICULT.

UM, THE MAINTENANCE IS GONNA BE ACTUALLY MORE CUZ WE HAVE TWO DRIVERS THERE.

UH, THEREFORE WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN BOTH DRIVERS, THE ELECTRIC MOTOR AND THE, UH, GAS DRIVEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR BOTH AND WE'LL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THOSE MAINTENANCE PLANS, UH, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT HAS TO BE DONE TO KEEP THOSE UNITS RUNNING.

SO IT'S NOT EASIER.

IT'S NOT EASIER.

I MEAN, WHERE YOU WERE JUST USING YOUR OWN GAS BEFORE TO PUMP YOUR OWN GAS, NOW YOU'RE HAVING TO DO SOMETHING TOGETHER.

WE JUST HAVE TO, WE APPLY, WE DEF WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC GRID TO, TO KEEP US RUNNING, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE STARTING TO USE THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY OF HAVING DUAL DRIVES.

AS WE KNOW, STORM COMES THROUGH, WIPES OUT THE, UH, THE GRID.

WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME WAY TO GET THE, THE GAS TO MARKET, KEEP FAMILIES WARM, KEEP KEEP CUSTOMERS MOVING.

AND I GATHER THAT THIS GAS IS ONLY FOR HENRICO AND BEYOND.

NO, NOT SERVICE.

THERE'S NO SERVICE TO GLAND CORRECT? NOT FOR US.

COLUMBIA GAS OF VIRGINIA, WHICH YOU MENTIONED BEFORE WILL BE RIGHT.

THEY HAVE LIMITED, I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE OF THEIR COVERAGE AREA, BUT I DO KNOW THEY COVERS GO GSON COUNTY AND THEY DO RECEIVE GAS FROM US.

OH.

AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

OKAY.

SO CITY OF RICHMOND ADDED IN THEIR FACILITY THERE WHERE THEY PULL GAS DIRECTLY FROM US, RUNS THROUGH THEIR SYSTEM TO WHEREVER THEIR CUSTOMER BEGIN.

SOMEWHERE OFF BROAD STREET IN THAT DIRECTION.

OKAY.

AND THIS IS NATURAL GAS AS PROPOSED TO, UH, LIQUID PROPANE? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I GOT TWO, I GUESS ONE IS, UH, I'VE GOT SOME GOOD FRIENDS THAT LIVE ON HUNTING RIDGE ROAD AND THEY'VE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE GAS TRUCKS NOT USING THE GRAVEL ROAD.

THEY USE HUNTING RIDGE ROAD.

NOT FOR OUR FACILITY WITH ONLY AC WE DON'T, THERE'S NOT A GATE THAT THEY CAN DO, UH, TO ACCESS OUR FACILITY OFF HUNTING RIDGE.

THEY CAN ONLY GO WELL THE PICTURES, THE PICTURES SHE SHOWED THERE RUNS OFF HERMITAGE.

THERE'S A GRAVEL.

THERE COULD BE SOME CONFUSION CAUSE I KNOW I'VE DONE IT BEFORE.

IF YOU, IF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA AND YOU'RE BAKING DELIVERIES, YOU CAN MISS THAT GRAVEL ROAD AGAIN.

GO DOWN THE NEXT ROAD.

BUT AS, UH, CEDRIC SAID THERE IS NO, THERE'S NO ENTRANCE, NO ENTRANCE INTO OUR FACILITY OFF OF THE, THE MAIN ROAD THERE.

THEY JUST SAID THERE'S SOME, THEY DO GET FAIR AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON HUNTING RIDGE GOING TO THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

IT'S NOT FOR US.

IT'S, IT, THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO ACC UH, THERE'S NO WAY FOR EQUIPMENT COMING TO OUR FACILITY TO COME OFF HUNTING RIDGE TO GO INTO OUR LOT THERE.

THERE'S NO ACCESS FOR IT.

OKAY.

THE SECOND ONE WAS THE NOISE.

UH, THEY'VE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE NOISE.

IS THIS WHAT'S THERE NOW OR IS IT GOING BE ACTUALLY LOUD AS YOU KNOW? THIS, YOU, THIS FACILITY'S BEEN HERE FOR 50 PLUS YEARS.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BLOCK BUILDINGS.

IT'S UH, IT'S ACTUALLY GOTTA ASBESTOS SO ON, ON THE ROOF.

THE NEW BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THE, THE NEW COMPRESSOR BUILDING ARE BEING DESIGNED PER THE CURRENT, UH, USE PERMIT.

MM-HMM.

.

SO IT'S, IT'S TO MEET ALL THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND STUFF THAT'S IN THERE TODAY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED TO, THAT'S WHAT WE BOUGHT TO AND WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, MEET THAT WE, UH, WE HAVE TO HIT 55 DB PERK.

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WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING LOUDER THAN 55 DB RIGHT NOW.

UH, SO FK HAS A REQUIREMENT TO GET 55 DB.

WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS, UH, WITHIN 60 DAYS OF US GOING IN SERVICE, WE HAVE TO DO A SOUND SURVEY, A LIVE SOUND SURVEY.

WE HAVE TO GO OUT ON SITE, DO A SURVEY, MEASURES THE, THE SOUND AT THE NOSE, CLOSEST, UH, HOUSES, AND THEN WE HAVE TO REPORT THAT BACK TO FI WITHIN 60 DAYS.

IF THAT DOES NOT MEET TO 55 DB, WE HAVE ONE YEAR PER FURK TO GET THAT WITHIN 55 DB.

THAT MEANS REDESIGNING, ADDING MORE INSULATION, SOUND WALLS, WHATEVER THAT TAKES, WE HAVE TO GET THAT TO 55 DB WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF GOING IN SERVICE.

SO THAT'S HOW WE DESIGNED IT.

THAT'S THE, THE GOOD PART OF A NEW FACILITY IS THAT WE HAVE TO DESIGN DESIGN TO CURRENT STANDARDS, WHICH ARE USUALLY MORE STRICT THAN THEY WERE 50 PLUS YEARS AGO.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS NOW, I DO NOT PROBABLY HAVE AS A COMPANY, BUT I DO NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD NOW.

SO WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE QUIETER OR LOUDER THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.

GENERAL THOUGHTS.

IT WILL BE, IT IS GONNA BE QUIETER.

THEY, FOR FIRST TWO THINGS IS THAT TURBINES, TURBINES ARE LOUD.

THEY SQUEAL.

IF YOU EVER HEARD AN AIRPLANE TAKE OFF, OBVIOUSLY YOU PROBABLY HAVE, THEY'RE THEY SQUEAL AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S SITTING IN THAT BUILDING.

A TURBINE LIKE YOU HAVE ON A, UH, ON AN AIRPLANE.

SO THESE ARE ELECTRIC MOTORS AND THEY, THEY ALL GENERAL PURPOSES, WE, WE FEEL THOUGH, COULD BE LOWER.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND, UH, SHARE WITH YOU FOLKS.

THANK YOU.

UH, OPENING UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS OR? OH, BUDDY.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GENTLEMEN, AND WILL WE RECOMMEND IT FOR APPROVAL? A SECOND.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A FIVE OH VOTE.

THIS CASE WILL BE HEARD BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON NOVEMBER 1ST, 2022, WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THANK YOU, MS. PARKER.

ANY OLD BUSINESS?

[8. Old Business - None]

NO OTHER BUSINESS.

THANK YOU.

MOTION TO ADJOURN.

[9. Other Business - None]

ALL FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THANK

[10. Adjournment]

UH,