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WELL ACTUALLY THAT'S, IT'S JUST A NIGHTMARE, RIGHT? OH, YEAH.
WELL, THAT'S KINDA MY LITTLE BIT.
SO ON 64, EASTBOUND BETWEEN, AND I DON'T USUALLY SEE THIS TIME UNFORTUNATELY, BUT BETWEEN ABOUT FOUR 30 AND FIVE 30 OR SIX, THAT'S THE RUSH HOUR.
SO IF I LEAVE AT 5 45 OR SIX, IT'S AN EASIER DRIVE THAN A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TRAFFIC.
AGAIN, WE, AND FRIDAY WAS HORRIBLE.
ALL OF SIX FOUR WAS BLOCK FRIDAY, 64.
IT'S ALWAYS A BAD, RIGHT? NO, IT'S NOT.
SO IF WE WERE TO PRESERVE A LITTLE SPACE FOR SIDEWALKS, IS THAT SPACE? IT'S NOT.
I MAY JUST BE IN THE RIGHT WAY.
YOU DIDN'T ASK, ACTUALLY, WE DIDN'T REMEMBER REALLY UP IN THE, UM, I THINK THAT, WAS THERE A, UH, THAT, WAS THERE A RECOMMENDATION? I DIDN'T SEE IT.
I MEAN I SAW THAT WE HAD, SO IS THERE SPACE WE USUALLY MEET A LITTLE LATER.
SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE THERE, BUT I SOUND ALL RIGHT.
IT'S, WELL, WE CAN'T THIS FAR WITH IS WITH OUR
I'VE GOT THE, ARE YOU ON THIS? UM, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
SO, STARTED OFF MY PARENTS WOULD'VE TOLD ME THAT THAT WAS NOT A GREAT IDEA TO GO INTO SCHOOL.
SO CLINICAL SCIENCE CUZ I COULDN'T FIND A JOB.
UM, AND THEN, UM, SO I WENT BACK AND GOT MY MASTER'S.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS YOU CAN DO THAT.
THEY ALWAYS PROVIDE US LOT OF, TO HAVE JUST WORK IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHO, UM, AND I WAS TRYING TO, WAS FOR THEM TO MOVE
AND I WAS TRYING TO, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE I GO.
I'M GETTING READY FOR A TRIAL.
SO HAVE WORKED HERE FOR THIS 30 YEARS.
SHE
I MEAN WE'VE JUST, IT'S A PARTITION, BUT IT'S IN A LOT MORE ACTION IN THE EVIDENT HEARING ON THE QUESTION IN THE LAW LOCAL.
IT'S IN TAPS WHEN I FIRST GOT AMENDED IN 2020, WHICH MEANS THAT COURT LIKELY HAS, I WROTE GRANTS, RIGHT.
AND THERE'S A PROCESS AS TO, BUT AS TO AO, TWO PEOPLE COME MOVE.
LIKE THERE'S A SERIES OF FACTORS.
IT'S NICE THAT YOU, WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, I'M TASTE I YOU'RE SITTING AROUND TRANSPORTATION.
THERE'S A LOT, RIGHT? LIKE, OH, THIS IS, WELL, YEAH.
SO, UM, YOU HAVE UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR ENGINEERING SIDE OF IT WHO ARE PART OF JUST DEVELOPMENT, ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
THEY HAD, UM, I MEAN THEY'VE EVEN OFFERED, IT'S SO BIG AND SO WE CAN PROVIDE LIKE, PROBABLY JUST THE SURVEY.
AND IT'S, WE GREW UP IN CAROLINE, SO WE HAD FIVE.
THERE WAS ONE SIDE CHECK YOU IT AND THEN THEY TO A, AND THEN THE TOWN THAT
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WE GREW UP IN, ITS JUST BEING BUT NOT GROWING.ARE Y'ALL STARTING THERE? YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE WAIT FOR GONNA SHOW UP.
ARE THEY HERE? UH, ASHLEY WAS ON THE PHONE WITH I DO.
THEY'LL DO SOMETHING TOMORROW.
IS IT WORKING? I JUST HADN'T SURE WHERE YOU WERE.
AND THAT'S FASCINATING CAUSE YOU
I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS AND EXCITED.
YEAH, I WAS, CAUSE I KNOW HE WAS ASKING FOR THAT AGENDA, MR. YEAH, HE'S USUALLY NOT DELINEATING, HE'S USUALLY EAGER TO BE HERE.
SO ASHLEY AS ACTUALLY SHE'S THE SERVICE CENTER MANAGER, WHICH IS KIND OF, UH, UNDERSTATEMENT ON HER.
SHE DOES A LOT MORE THAN THE GRANDMA.
HE STOPPED BY AT THE SCHOOL AND MADE US AWARE.
WE HAD SEEN IT IN THE NEWSPAPER.
WHICH IS SO WE, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT HIM AS LIKE, OH, WE GOT A GOOD FRIENDS IN COURT.
CAUSE HE HAVE HAD YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE SIDEWALK BEING A CAR.
HE WAS GLAD WE SHUT DOWN THE I'VE WORKING.
I WAS, I TRY TO LET THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS KNOW, BUT HE BUILDING WAS SUCH NICE.
BUT WE APPRECIATED HIM STOPPING BY JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST LETTING US KNOW IF WE NO, THAT'S GREAT.
PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THAT'S COME UP IN FOUR KIND POINTED MR. POWER'S DIRECTION.
THEY SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY APPOINTED.
IF NOT, WELL, WE'RE JUST WAIT KNOW.
THEY WERE FOR A SESSION TODAY.
FOR THE EXPERTISE WE BROUGHT BOARD MUCH AND NO BABE LISTENS TO ME BY THEN.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOU'RE MR. FRACHE, DO YOU WANT TO, UH, CALL THE MEETING INTO ORDER? ARE WE READY? OKAY.
I BELIEVE WE'RE READY MR. ROYER.
[A. CALL TO ORDER & DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
THE MEETING THEN.AM I SUPPOSED TO GO AHEAD AND GAVE IT? WE DON'T THE CHAIR NOW.
WE DON'T ORDINARILY HAVE THE GAVEL
YOU DEFINITELY CAN'T, UM, PASS UP WHEN YOU DO HAVE THE GAVEL.
SO THE MEETING IS, UH, CALLED TO ORDER.
UM, WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT WE HAVE QUORUM, TWO OF OUR THREE VOTING MEMBERS OF PRESENT.
AND WE HAVE ONE ITEM SCHEDULED FOR BUSINESS THIS EVENING
[B. SCHEDULED APPLICATIONS:]
IN DISTRICT THREE COA 2002.UM, ARE WE GOING TO APPROVE MINUTES BEFORE THAT OR AT THE END? WOULDN'T WE NORMALLY APPROVE MINUTES FIRST? UM, I THINK WE HAVE 'EM COMING NEXT.
SO WE HAVE THEM AFTER THE BUSINESS ITEM.
DID YOU WANT ME TO READ THE CASE DESCRIPTION FOR THE RECORD? YES, PLEASE.
APPLICATION BY SUP PROPERTIES LLC REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL COA TO CONSIDER DESIGN EXCEPTIONS FOR A SCHOOL ON TAX MAP 45,000 167 0.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST INTERSECTION OF BROAD STREET ROAD AND SHALLOW ROAD WITHIN THE OILVILLE VILLAGE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED B ONE BUSINESS GENERAL AND A TWO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, I AM RAY CASH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UH, THE COA, UH, BEFORE US TONIGHT IS, UM, THE APPLICANT IS LSAT PROPERTIES LLC.
SITE LOCATION IS OILVILLE VILLAGE, UH, ALONG BROAD STREET ROAD, UH, SPECIFICALLY AT THE CORNER OF, UH, BROAD STREET AND SHALLOW WELL.
UM, TO BE CLEAR, PORTION OF THIS APPLICATION WERE ABLE TO BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, REVIEW OF THIS WENT THROUGH
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A SEPARATE COA APPROVAL.UM, SO WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THE BUFFER PLANNINGS PER THE WILLVILLE STANDARDS, PARKING, DESIGN, BUILDING SETBACK, AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
SO AGAIN, THE SITE LOCATION IS WILLVILLE VILLAGE.
UM, THE SITE HERE IS AGAIN, IS UH, SPLIT ZONE INSTEAD IT LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST, UM, INTER CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION.
UH, THE PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS PARTIALLY ZONED.
B ONE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH ARE B ONE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH ARE TYPICALLY A TWO, UM, OCCUPIED BY RESIDENTIAL USES ARE VACANT.
UM, THE PRO PROPOSED USE DID GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
THE USE ITSELF, UH, SHOULD BE CLEAR IS ACTUALLY FOR A SCHOOL PLUS THE ACCESSORY USE IS RELATED TO A SCHOOL.
UM, THE C THAT WAS APPROVED DID HAVE, UM, RELATED CONDITIONS.
UM, THOSE CONDITIONS DID NOT AFFECT, UM, THE OVERLAY STANDARDS.
I'M MOVING, NOPE, I'M MOVING BACKWARDS.
SO WHAT I HEAR, I'VE TRIED TO AT LEAST HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE AREAS.
THIS IS THE BACKGROUND PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, SITE PLAN, UH, WHICH YOU HAVE HERE IS IN THE RED IS GENERALLY WHERE THE PARKING AREAS ARE.
THERE'S ALSO THE BUILDINGS HERE.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT SPECIFICALLY DOES NOT MEET SETBACKS.
THERE'S ALSO AN ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT'S RELATED TO THE SCHOOL.
UH, THERE IS THE BLUE, WHICH IS STANDARDLY WHERE THE BUFFER IS.
UM, THIS RIGHT HERE AGAIN, IS JUST HIGHLIGHTING WHERE THE SETBACKS ARE AND GREEN WAS PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE LANDSCAPING.
WHY I KEEP PUTTING THE WRONG BUTTON, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, FOR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS THE COA TO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT, UM, ON WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
THE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE EXCEPTION PROCESS WILL REALLY BE THE LANDSCAPING RIGHT HERE ALONG THE FRONT.
UM, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
THERE IS, UM, PERIMETER LANDSCAPING THAT GOES AROUND THE PROPOSED AND IMPROVED PARKING THAT'S PROVIDED.
UM, THERE'S ALSO REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME LANDSCAPE ON THE EXTERIOR.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A SIX FOOT FINAL FENCE THAT REALLY IT'S AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A VINYL FENCE ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
PREVIOUSLY THIS WAS AN ACCESS DRIVE OFF OF BROAD STREET ROAD THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE APPLICANT AND, UM, AT REQUEST OF STAFF AND BNOT.
AND THE AREA'S NOW, UM, BEEN PLANTED IN GRASS AND ACTUALLY GROWING PRETTY QUICKLY.
SO AN ADDITIONAL LARGE DECIDUOUS TREE PER 100 FEET AND ONE SHRUB PER 10 LINEAR FEET SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED THAT YOU HAVE NATIVE SPECIES SITE DISTANCE COMPLIANCE AND SHOULD BE CONTINUITY.
CONTINUITY WITHIN THE DESIGN OF OVERLAY.
UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT DOES REQUEST IS AN EXCEPTION TO THAT PROVISION IS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DO TO PLANT THE UNDERLYING, UM, DISTRICT BUFFER REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WHICH IS REALLY, UM, PRETTY SIMILAR.
YOU HAVE THE PROVISION OF, UM, A TRA UH, TWO TREES EVERY 100 FEET AND YOU HAVE A CONTINUOUS SORT OF ROW OF EVERGREENS ACROSS THE FRONT.
UM, AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED THE NUMBER THAT'S SUFFICIENT TO MEET THEIR STANDARDS.
AND ADDITIONALLY, THEY ARE PROVIDING A, UH, LIGHT, UM, VINYL PICKET FENCE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THE DESIGN FOR THAT THERE.
SO THEY DO REQUEST AN EXCEPTION TO THE ADDITIONAL OVERLAY BUFFER REQUIREMENTS OF 15,447 B ONE.
UM, STAFF WOULD WOULD REQUEST THAT SHOW THE DRC APPROVE THE EXCEPTION, THE CONDITIONS TO REQUIRE PLANTINGS AND FENCES AS SHOWN, UM, BY THE APPLICANT.
BE PROVIDED BY THAT YOU MEAN, UH, AS SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AS SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, THIS IS A LOOK INTO THE SITE, UM, FROM A CROSSROAD STREET ROAD, UM, WHERE YOU SEE GENERALLY, UH, THIS IS THE FRONT.
YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE GOT CONES LAID OUT HERE.
THIS IS THE PRIMARY SCHOOL BUILDING.
THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL, UM, ACCESSORY BUILDING.
UM, THIS AREA IS THE AREA I REFERRED TO THAT HAS BEEN RETURNED TO GRASS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IS NOT PERFORMED.
THE PLANTINGS PER THE COA OR P D, THAT'S THE AREA WHERE WE'RE DISCUSSING PUTTING THE, UM, THE, THE PLANTING THE PLANTINGS CORRECT.
UM, THERE IS A REQUEST ALSO FOR A BUILDING SETBACK EXCEPTION.
UM, UNDERSTAND 15,000 4 45 B2 OR THE OVERLAY PROVISIONS RELATED TO, UM, THE OILVILLE STANDARDS.
IT REQUIRES FRONT SETBACKS WITH WITHIN THE OVERLAY OR 75 FEET IF YOU HAVE PARKING IN FRONT 50 FEET IS THE, IF THE PARKING
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IS NOT IN FRONT, UH, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS 46.8 FEET.UM, THIS BUILDING DOES PREDATE THE OVERLAY STANDARDS AND THE PREVIOUS PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED.
UM, THE APPLICANT WORK WAS STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS REMOVED.
SO THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A 3.2 FOOT EXCEPTION TO THE SETBACK.
SHOULD THE DR THE COMMITTEE APPROVE STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THE CONDITION TO INCLUDE THAT.
NO ADDITIONS TO THE BUILDING MAY CLOSER TO BROAD STREET ROAD THAN THE CURRENT SETBACK.
UM, AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE YOU A CONCEPT, YOU SEE THE BUILDING, UM, STAFF, I DID ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT JUST TO SHOW YOU THE PARKING.
THERE IS PARKING PART OF THE PARKING DRIVE AREA DOES COME UP TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THAT'S REALLY TO PROVIDE TURNAROUND AND ACCESS FOR THE HANDICAP SPACES.
BUT STAFF DID NOT REALLY CONSIDER THAT PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
THEN THAT'S SOMETHING AND, AND FELT THAT THE STANDARD OF THE 50 FOOT, UM, COULD HAVE BEEN MET.
UM, AND WE REQUEST THAT TO YOU CONDITION IT, THAT IT NOT CONTINUE FORWARD OR BE EXTENDED SHOULD YOU APPROVE THE EXCEPTION.
I'M SORRY, IN TERMS OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, YOU JUST MEAN THAT ANY EXTENSION TO THE BUILDING NOT, NOT SHRINK THE SETBACK.
NOT GO ANY CLOSER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS TO THE RAIL.
UM, NOW THEY'VE ALSO, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION TO THE PARKING DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND REALLY THIS IS THE PARKING IMPROVEMENT.
SO 15,445 B FOUR, WHICH IS AGAIN THE OVERLAY.
UM, DESIGN, UH, PARKING DESIGN SHOULD ENHANCE GROUNDWATER RECHARGED, UH, CAPABILITIES ARE ENCOURAGED.
BUT THE OTHER KICKER FOR THIS ONE IS ALL PARKING LOT CONSTRUCTION.
MISCON CONSISTS OF ASPHALT CONCRETE PAVERS OR TARING GRAVEL.
UM, THE APPLICANT DOES SEEK AN EXCEPTION TO THE PARKING LOT SURFACE STANDARDS AND REQUESTS THE USE OF GRAVEL SURFACE IN ALL AREAS.
UM, EXCLUDING THE REQUIRED HANDICAP SPACES.
UM, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT SHOULD THE DRC APPROVE THIS EXCEPTION, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THE CONDITION BE SPECIFIC TO THE SCHOOL USE PROPOSED ONLY.
UM, SHOULD THIS CON TO CONVERT TO ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USE OR, UM, SOME OTHER TYPE OF USE.
WE FEEL LIKE THE STANDARDS OF PARKING SHOULD BE CONTINUED FORWARD.
STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THEM, HOWEVER, WITH THE SCHOOL USE.
BUT SHOULD YOU DO THE EXCEPTION, UM, WE WOULD ASK TO BE SPECIFIC TO THE SCHOOL USE.
UM, SO HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF THAT.
AGAIN, THE PARKING, YOU CAN SEE THE GRAVEL PARKING.
THIS IS THE DESIGN THAT WAS NECESSARY REALLY TO ALLOW FOR THE FIRE, UM, DEPARTMENT ACCESS HERE.
THERE ARE, UH, PAVED SPACES RIGHT HERE AND THERE'S ALSO THE HANDICAP ACCESS THAT CROSSES OVER TO THE SCHOOL THAT'S PAVED.
SAME SCENARIO, UM, FOR THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.
THERE IS PAVED PARKING WITH A SIDEWALK RAMP THAT GOES UP INTO THE BUILDING.
UM, FOR, FOR THAT THE SAM SUGGESTIONS, I'M JUST SHOWING YOU THE, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
WE WOULD RECOMMEND IT ONLY BE FOR THE SCHOOL USE.
THAT, THAT WAS MY RATHER INARTICULATE QUESTIONS.
I'VE GOT SORT OF THE PICTURES BEHIND THE COMMENTS, UM, HERE TO TRY TO JUST, UM, CLARIFY.
UM, WHAT THEY ARE, SO THE NEXT IS SOMETHING THAT'S USUALLY COMES UP IN MOST OF OUR SCENARIOS.
THIS ONE'S A LITTLE UNIQUE BECAUSE OF BEING THE OILVILLE OVERLAY, UM, WHERE WE DON'T HAVE OTHER EXISTING, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE ORDINANCE, UH, DOES PROVIDE THAT THE CONDITIONERS SHOULD HAVE A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS BETWEEN AND WITH SITES TO INCLUDE THAT.
ANY SIDEWALK ALONG BROAD STREET ROAD BEING INCORPORATED WITHIN THE BUFFER.
THE APPLICANT DOES NOT PROPOSE A BROAD STREET ROAD SIDEWALK OR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS A, UM, TO ADJACENT SITES.
UM, THEY REQUEST AN EXCEPTION TO THE SIDEWALK ALONG BROAD STREET ROAD AND ANOTHER PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO PEDESTRIAN SITES.
UM, PART OF THE VILLAGE OVERLAY.
AND ONE OF THE STANDARDS THAT COMES ABOUT IN ANY VILLAGE DESIGN IS PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.
UM, IT'S FELT TO BE AND AND DOCUMENTED IN OUR ORDINANCE AS WELL AS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT'S IMPORTANT PART OF VILLAGE PEDESTRIAN FOCUSED DESIGN.
WE WOULD ASK THAT SHOULD THE DRC APPROVE THIS EXCEPTION STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THE EXCEPTION.
AGAIN, BE CONDITIONED IS SPECIFIC TO THE SCHOOL USED, PROPOSED ONLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF, OF COURSE I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, WAS I SUPPOSED TO KEEP MY QUESTIONS TO THE END? OH, THAT UP? OH NO, THAT'S QUITE ALRIGHT.
IT'S SOMETIMES EASIER TO ASK HIM AS YOU GO ALONG, BUT I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU ONE MORE TIME IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CASE.
MR. CASH, DO YOU HAVE THEIRS ALREADY RIGHT BEHIND MINE OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION? OH, SURE.
I'M NOT SURE IF I NEED TO SAY MY ADDRESS OR NOT.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE USED TO THE MORE FORMAL SETTING.
BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR SITUATION.
UM, BECAUSE WE ARE, WE ARE CREATING SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, NOT BEEN DONE BEFORE,
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UM, BUT IS A GROWING IDEA AND CONCEPT AROUND THE COUNTRY.2 MILLION PARENTS TOOK THEIR CHILDREN OUT OF A TRADITIONAL SETTING AND PUT THEM INTO HOMESCHOOL AND MICRO SCHOOL SETTINGS.
AND OUR, OUR CURRENT SITUATION IS THAT WE WORK WITH ACTON ACADEMY.
IT'S A NETWORK, IT'S NOT A FRANCHISE.
UM, AND THERE ARE CURRENTLY 8,000 FAMILIES APPLYING TO PRODUCE NEW SCHOOL, NEW MICRO SCHOOLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD.
THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE THAT IS TRYING TO START IN, UH, PTAN, BUT WE ARE THE FIRST TO BRING IT TO RICHMOND.
THERE'S AWARD-WINNING ACTINS IN DC AND UH, AND ALSO IN VIRGINIA BEACH.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN IN THIS ROOM SINCE WE HAVE STARTED.
WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN HERE JUST HOPING THIS WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
AND NOW THAT WE HAVE FAMILIES, UM, USING THIS SPACE, I WAS THERE FOR PICKUP FOR OUR, OUR DAUGHTER, TALKING WITH PARENTS THIS AFTERNOON.
AND, UM, WE'RE JUST THRILLED THAT THEY ARE THRILLED AND THAT WE ARE CREATING WHAT WE LONG FOR FOR OUR CHILDREN.
SO, UM, ACTING ACADEMY IS A 21ST CENTURY SOLUTION FOR THE EPIDEMIC OF MEDIOCRITY AND APATHY THAT PLAGUES YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE TRADITIONAL SCHOOL SYSTEM.
INNOVATIVE APPROACH TO EDUCATION THAT CELEBRATES BOTH PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, CREATIVE FREEDOM, AND THE PURSUIT OF ONE'S LIFE PURPOSE.
SO IT TAKES THE IDEA OF HOMESCHOOLING AND THE FREEDOM, BUT IT'S FOR ENTREPRENEURIAL FAMILIES THAT DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HOMESCHOOL THEIR CHILDREN.
WE RUN A VERY LARGE ONLINE BUSINESS AND I LOVE WHAT I DO.
I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT, I'VE FOUND MY PASSION, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO LEAD OUR THREE CHILDREN, ALMOST FOUR IN FEBRUARY, UM, TO THAT SAME LEVEL OF DISCOVERING THEIR PASSION.
AND SO THIS WAS THE ABSOLUTE PERFECT FIT FOR US.
THIS IS MY SISTER AND BROTHER-IN-LAW.
SO WE HAVE DONE THIS TOGETHER.
BUT THE PROPERTY IS, UM, WE, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND SO FINANCIALLY WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, THESE ARE THE STUDENTS THAT, UH, THEY ARE SO SWEET.
UH, WE AGE THE AGES ARE FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS OLD.
AND, UM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN JOY TO WORK WITH.
MY HUSBAND IS ACTUALLY THE HEAD OF SCHOOL AND IS THERE EVERY DAY.
BUT THE TWO YOUNG WOMEN BESIDE HIM ARE THE GUIDES THAT LEAD THESE YOUNG LEARNERS.
UM, AND I'LL LET YOU READ THIS.
UH, I DON'T WANNA KEEP US TOO LONG CAUSE I KNOW THESE ARE KIND OF SIMPLE QUESTIONS, BUT THE RESPONSE FROM OUR PARENTS HAVE BEEN THAT IT HAS JUST BEEN AN ANSWERED PRAYER FOR THEM.
UM, AND MY HOPE IS THAT THESE, THE JOURNEY HAS BEEN NOT TRADITIONAL.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T FIT INTO MANY CATEGORIES HERE,
UM, WE STARTED THIS JOURNEY BACK IN, UM, ALMOST A YEAR AGO.
AND ONCE WE HEARD, AFTER FOUR MONTHS OF WAITING, WE FOUND OUT WE HAD TO HAVE A P D AND OUR BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT WENT FROM 200,000.
WE HAVE NOW SPENT $750,000 OUTSIDE OF THE PURCHASE PRICE BECAUSE WE HAD TO PAY AN EXCAVATION.
YOU, YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE A CONTRACTOR PUT A GRAVEL PARKING LOT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE CT PER SALE, DO IT.
AND THAT IS A PERSONAL EXPENSE FOR US.
SO OUR EXEMPTIONS, I THINK MAKES, MAKES SENSE AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND.
BUT REALLY WE ARE COMING BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, PLAYED BY THE RULES.
BUT FINANCIALLY I DON'T THINK WE CAN KEEP IT DOING, UM, SOME OF THESE REQUIREMENTS.
AND I THINK AS WE GET TO SOME OF THESE SLIDES, IT DOES MAKE SENSE.
I APPRECIATE MR. CASH'S AND, AND JAMIE, JUST SO MANY, WE'VE HAD SO MANY EMAILS BACK AND FORTH.
WE'VE HAD SOME MOMENTS OF LIKE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING CUZ WE'RE NOT DEVELOPERS.
UM, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TO A PLACE WHERE WE'VE REALIZED LIKE, UH, WE HAVE CREATED A VISUAL, UH, ENHANCEMENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT IS BEAUTIFUL.
WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS IN THE GLAND.
I THINK THERE'S 9,000 PEOPLE IN THE GLAND FACEBOOK GROUP THAT CONSTANTLY COMMENT ABOUT THE UPDATES.
UM, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE ON THE, THE LEFT, UM, FOR THREE DECADES.
AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
AND SO WE ARE PROUD OF THE WORK.
UM, AND WE WOULD DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
BUT ALSO WE JUST, UH, OUR BUDGET IS SPENT
WE ACTUALLY DON'T LOVE THAT IT'S ON BROAD STREET FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT IT WAS A GOOD FIT FINANCIALLY AT THE TIME.
BUT PARENTS, UM, ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IDEA OF HAVING PEOPLE WALK ALONG BROAD STREET.
UH, WE ARE CONCERNED FOR PEOPLE WALKING ON BROAD STREET IN 55 MILES PER HOUR WITH A BUFFER FENCING TO THE SIDE.
IF THEY NEED TO GET OUT AWAY, THEY, THEY LITERALLY CAN'T GET AWAY FROM A CAR THAT SWERVES.
UM, AND THERE'S NO CONNECTING SIDEWALK BACK IN CENTERVILLE.
UM, THERE IS A SIDEWALK, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO EVEN IF THAT WAS TO EXTEND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO US, MAYBE
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20 YEARS FROM NOW, IT IS ON THE FOOD LINE SIDE.IT'S ON THE, UM, WESTBOUND SIDE.
AND SO IT WOULD NOT EVEN CONNECT OUR PROPERTY, THE ASPHALT EXEMPTION.
UM, WE HAVE PARENTS, OH, SORRY, IS THAT, I'M SORRY.
IS, IS THAT THE NEAREST SIDEWALK? CENTERVILLE FROM IT IS, I MEAN, I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT CORRIDOR.
I BELIEVE IT STOPS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE LAWYER OFFICES RIGHT BEFORE THAT BANK, SO IT DOESN'T GO TO SWAY.
IS WHERE THE CNF BANK THERE, LIKE YOU WANNA YES, SIR.
UM, SO WHEN WE, YOU'RE WELCOME.
WHEN WE CAME TO THE FIRST MEETING, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DECIDED, UM, AND I WISH WE HAD ACTUALLY DECIDED SOONER, IT WOULD'VE SAVED EVERYBODY A LOT OF HEADACHE WAS LET'S CLOSE OFF THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
UM, WE'VE HAD BROKEN GLASS, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE PARK THERE TO GET ON THEIR BIKES AND THEN RIDE ALL DAY AND JUST PARK THERE WITHOUT PERMISSION.
UM, AND SO CLOSING THAT OFF WAS SOMETHING WE DID, UH, INITIALLY TO APPEASE, UM, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
BUT WE HAVE FOUND THAT IT IS SAFER FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.
UH, BUT WHEN THAT DECISION WAS MADE, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD DIFFERENT OFFICIALS FROM THE COUNTY SAY, THIS IS SUCH A GIFT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SAFETY ENHANCEMENT FOR THIS, UH, INTERSECTION, UM, THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE NO PRO, I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID THIS, MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE, BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM GETTING EXEMPTIONS THEN THE COUNTY SHOULD WORK WITH YOU BECAUSE, UM, THIS WAS A HUGE HELP.
AND OUR WE'RE ASKING OUR HUGE HELP WOULD BE TO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE EXPENSE OF PAVING, UH, THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT.
IT HAS BEING USED EVERY SINGLE DAY BY FAMILIES DROP OFF PICKUP WORKS GREAT.
UM, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE BACKUP INTO SHALLOW, WELL, THEY PARK AND THEY COME OUTTA THEIR CARS AND THEY PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN.
UM, BUT ALL THE HANDICAP SPACES ARE PAVED AND MARKED AND, UM, READILY AVAILABLE IF ANYONE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS THEM NOW, BUT WE MIGHT IN THE FUTURE.
THIS IS THE VIEW FROM WHAT THEY CALL THEIR PLAYGROUND.
IT'S NOT A PLAYGROUND, IT'S A NINJA COURSE OFF OF AMAZON, BUT THEY ARE THRILLED WITH IT AND WE WANNA PROTECT THEM FROM IT.
UM, AND SO WE ARE GONNA BE INSTALLING A FINAL FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE PICKETED VINYL FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE PARKING LOT.
AND, UM, AND WE'RE TOLD LAST WEEK AFTER SOME DISCUSSION THAT THERE'S NOT ANY FLEXIBILITY IN THE ORDINANCE TO HAVE, UM, PLANTING, UH, AROUND THE ENTIRE BUFFER.
AND SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE WE WEREN'T AWARE OF.
AND SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER REASON WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR EXEMPTIONS IN THE FRONT, BECAUSE WE CANNOT HAVE EXEMPTIONS IN THE BACK PARKING LOT, EVEN THOUGH THE FENCE IS GOING IN THE FENCE, IS, UM, WE CHOSE THE FENCE MATERIAL BECAUSE WE BELIEVE WE WANT THIS TO LOOK GOOD AND WE WANNA BE ABLE TO POWER WASH IT.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO DETERIORATE IN FIVE YEARS.
AND SO AS YOU CAN TELL FROM WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO THE PROPERTY, UM, WE HAVE HIGH STANDARDS FOR WHAT WE WANT THE SPACE TO LOOK LIKE VISUALLY.
THESE PARENTS, UH, WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A SAFE PLACE, LIKE A NEWLY RENOVATED PLACE AND A PLACE THAT PARENTS WOULD TRUST THEIR CHILDREN TO BE AT.
AND SO I, MY HOPE IS THAT BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE ABOUT VISUAL AESTHETIC THAT YOU'LL APPRECIATE THAT, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, I KNOW SOME OF THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS DO NOT FALL UNDER THE THINGS THAT YOU, YOU ARE NOT A PART OF THAT.
BUT I EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE THE JOURNEY WE HAVE BEEN ON FOR A YEAR HAS LED US TO THE PLACE OF THIS BEING ACTUALLY A REALLY BIG DEAL FOR US.
UM, BEFORE IT WAS LET'S JUST GET THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE SEEN FOUR TIMES MORE THAN WE THOUGHT WE'D HAVE TO SPEND PERSONALLY, WE JUST CANNOT.
WE, WE HAVE TO TRY OUR BEST TO BE RES RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FINANCES, FOR OUR FAMILY, AND FOR THIS BUSINESS AND FOR THE SCHOOL, UM, AND ASK FOR THE EXEMPTIONS THAT WE THINK ARE ARE FEASIBLE.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR TIME, UM, COMING OUT ON A, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TODAY AT TUESDAY, UM, AND SPENDING TIME, SOME TIME JUST LEARNING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND I HOPE THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE BY IT THAT YOU HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE VISION IS.
I REALLY LIKE THAT TOO, BY THE WAY,
MR. FRACHE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I, I HAVE A COUPLE.
I I THINK MINE CONTEMPORANEOUSLY THOUGH.
I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE MORE AFTER YOURS.
UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK THE SS UH, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING AND FOR YOUR INVESTMENT IN A PROMINENT LOCATION IN GUC COUNTY IN THE OILVILLE VILLAGE.
UM, IT IS DIFFICULT TO BE THE FIRST OF A COUPLE, UH, WHO ARE THE RE DEVELOPERS IN AN AREA, AND, UH, YOU DO HAVE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET REPURPOSING AS WELL.
AND THOSE INVESTMENTS ARE NOTED AND APPRECIATED, UM, FOR STAFF FOR, I'M SORRY.
UM, FOR A GRAVEL PARKING AREA, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD ALSO COMMEND THE MOVEMENT TO TAKE WHAT WAS PARKING AND DRIVING SPACES IN THE FRONT YARD OF THIS PARTICULAR CORNER AND MOVE IT TO THE BACK.
I THINK THAT WITH THE GRASS THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED AND WELL ESTABLISHED, UM, MAKES A LARGE AS MUCH OF A STATEMENT ABOUT THE SITE AS THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS HAVE MADE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE A SMALL THING, BUT IT'S A BIG THING.
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PARKING AREA IS APPROVED AS AN EXCEPTION, WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE STANDARD UNDER THE CODE? WELL, F UM, THE, BASICALLY IT WOULD STILL BE, UH, UH, MAINTAINED THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO, UH, BE ABLE TO SUPPORT, UH, FIRE APPARATUS AND, UM, STILL MAINTAIN SUFFICIENT EQUIVALENT OF, OF PARKING SPACES FOR THIS.UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE GRAVEL PARKING FOR CERTAIN OTHER USES IN THE COUNTY, IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONES, UM, FOR THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE WOULD EXPECT THAT IT WOULD ALWAYS BE MAINTAINED IN A STANDARD THAT THE FIRE COULD ACCESS IT AND THAT FOR THEM IN THIS SPECIFIC SITUATIONS THAT THE PAVED AND ACCESS FOR THE HANDICAPS STILL BE PROVIDED.
SO, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC AND IT'S A LOCATION THAT MAYBE, UM, MAY NEED A DIFFERENT PAVING SURFACE OVER TIME, I THINK OF SUNSET GRILL AND CENTERVILLE AND I THINK OF THE PORTICO RESTAURANT.
UH, BOTH OF WHICH HAVE GRAVEL SURFACES AND IT'S APPROPRIATE CERTAINLY MORE I THINK, AT PORTICO FOR MAINTAINING THE SCALE AND THE CHARACTER OF THAT SITE.
FOR THAT REASON, I TEND TO SUPPORT THE EXCEPTION REQUESTED FOR THE PAVING MATERIAL, UM, FOR THE BUILDING SETBACKS, THE CONDITION PROPOSED THAT IT BE, UM, NO, THAT NO ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS BE ALLOWED CLOSER TO BROAD STREET.
UM, IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS EXCEPTION IS ONLY AS IT RELATES TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE'S WORK, THAT, UH, THIS IS NOT A ZONING CONDITION OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY THE, UH, A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
UM, I BELIEVE WE WOULD NEED TO, AND WE CAN DISCUSS THIS FURTHER, BUT I BELIEVE THAT MR. CASH HAS PRESENTED SOME CONDITIONS, UH, FOR PARKING DESIGN AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS SPECIFIC TO THE SCHOOL USE THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR IMPOSED CONDITIONS ON THIS APPROVAL.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT IN OUR, IN OUR MOTION THAT WE INCLUDE THOSE YEAH, I'M OF, OF LIKE MIND THAT, UM, THE EXCEPTIONS ARE APPROPRIATE, BUT I THINK IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO LIMIT THEM TO THE SCHOOL USE AND THE EVENT THAT THERE WERE TURNOVER IN THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE, I'M NOT SURE I WANTED TO BE WEDDED TO THAT, UM, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, SO WE WOULD SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE MM-HMM.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, I THINK WE WOULD RECOMMEND IT AND SIMPLY ATTACH THOSE OKAY.
SO I, BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, I HAVEN'T MADE IT.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE SS.
UH, IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, THE VINYL FENCE LOCATION THAT'S SHOWN ON YOUR SITE PLAN IS SOME DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE FROM WHERE YOUR, YOU KNOW, UH, WHERE YOUR PROPERTY LINE IS WITH THE STATE MM-HMM.
DO YOU KNOW THE DISTANCE THAT'S PLANNED, IF IT'S FIVE FEET, EIGHT FEET, 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY? UH, IF WE HAVE, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING TO THE MICROPHONE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST EASIER FOR THEM, UH, FOR THE MINUTES TO REFLECT WHAT YOU SAID.
UH, THIS IS A SCREENSHOT OF THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT, AND SO ON THE ACTUAL PDF AT ALMOST EVERYTHING, I THINK THERE IS A LITTLE RED LINE THERE THAT I CANNOT MAKE OUT, BUT IT IS ON THE ACTUAL PDF THAT HAS BEEN EMAILED AND WE COULD ZOOM IN AND SEE, UM, EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.
FLIP 10 FOOT BUFFER POTENTIALLY.
THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES FOR A 30 FOOT BUFFER AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE 10 FOOT PLANT AREA, GUESS THAT'S WHICHEVER REFERRING TO MM-HMM.
SO JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, AND I MEAN, JUST TO, I GUESS THE NOTATION ON THE PLAN THAT SHOWS 10 FOOT BUFFER, YOU BELIEVE IS INDICATING THAT BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE STATE PROPERTY AT THE, AT THE ROAD AND THE EDGE OF THE FENCE, THERE IS 10 FOOT PROVIDED? YES.
AND THE REASON WE, WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BUFFER IS, UM, MY DAD IS MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY.
AND, UM, HE DOESN'T WANNA BE THAT CLOSE TO BROAD STREET, UH, WHEN HE IS MOWING.
SO, UM, THAT IS WHY THAT IS THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, ONE INTEREST IN REDEVELOPMENT OVER TIME IS, YOU KNOW, CENTERVILLE TODAY IS NOT GONNA BE CENTERVILLE IN 20 YEARS.
AND SO RECOGNIZING THAT BROAD STREET ROAD MAY HAVE WIDENING, UH, THAT INTERSECTION IN ITSELF MAY HAVE WIDENING OVER TIME.
IF WE BRING, IF WE PERMIT AN EXCEPTION FOR A FENCE LOCATION TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD, IF WHEN THE ROAD WIDE OF WAY RIGHT AWAY COULD BE EXPANDED, IT WOULD CAUSE RELOCATION AT EXPENSE OF A FENCE.
BUT IF THE FENCE IS OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA AND A SIDEWALK COULD BE PROVIDED, THEN IT'S BEEN ALLOWED FOR.
SO WITH THAT CLARIFICATION, I DON'T OPPOSE THE, UM, THE EXCEPTION FOR NO SIDEWALK, AGAIN, WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT BE LIMITED TO THE CURRENT USE, NOR DO I.
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OKAY.SO ON A MULTIPLE, UM, EVEN THOUGH I'M CHAIRING THE MEETING, I'M STILL NEW TO SOME OF OUR MOTIONS ON MULTIPLE REQUEST.
DO WE USUALLY PHRASE THIS IN THE FORM OF EACH INDIVIDUAL ACTION WITHIN ONE MOTION, OR DO WE DO MULTIPLE MOTIONS? I THINK WE'VE DONE THEM, UH, IN BOTH CASES.
UH, THEY WILL TELL YOU I HAVE OFTEN COMBINED THEM ALL TOGETHER.
AND JUST IN THE MINUTES, WE REFLECT THEM AS SUBPARTS.
SO, UM, BUT DID WE, WE COVER THE EXCEPTION ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AS WELL.
WELL, IF IT'LL BE THE SUBJECT OF THE MOTION, UM, BEFORE MAKING THE FINAL MOTION, WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO THAT.
SO I'LL GIVE MY OPINION ON THAT.
SO MY OPINION IS THAT FENCING SUBSTITUTES FOR SOME OF THE SCREENING THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PROVIDED THROUGH LANDSCAPE BUFFERING AND THAT THE REMOVAL OF THE PARKING FROM THE FRONT YARD, UM, REMOVES SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WOULD BE INTENDED TO BE SCREENED AND BUFFERED THROUGH THE LANDSCAPING.
SO I CAN SUPPORT THE EXCEPTION FOR THIS REASON, ALTHOUGH, AGAIN, UM, CONDITION TO THE CURRENT USE AND THE FUTURE SITE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS OF THE TIME.
I, I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT, SO.
YEAH, NO, SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PROPOSED EXCEPTIONS WE HAVEN'T COVERED YET, RIGHT? NOPE.
YOU WANT ME TO DO IT, DON'T YOU? I COULD WORK, I COULD WALK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AS YOU MAKE YOUR MOTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE, OR JUST FOR THE SLIDES THAT HAD THE MOTIONS TO THEM, OR I DON'T HOW YOU'D LIKE TO DO IT.
I'LL GIVE IT, I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT.
I'VE BEEN, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
I, I, I THINK I HAVE, UM, ALL OF THEM, UH, RECITED ON ONE PAGE.
SO LET ME SEE IF, IF WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UH, THE FOUR PROPOSED DESIGN EXCEPTIONS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AND, UH, ALSO IDENTIFIED ON THE, UM, ATTACHED LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, THE, UH, EXCEPTIONS TO BE APPROVED WILL ALL BE, UH, LIMITED TO THE EXISTING USE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY AS A SCHOOL.
AND THE EXCEPTIONS TO BE IMPROVED ARE AS FOLLOWS.
FIRST, THAT, UM, THERE SHALL BE, UH, AN EXCEPTION TO THE, UH, REQUIREMENT, UM, OF THE EXISTING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, UH, WHICH ALLOW FOR, UM, THE SETBACK TO BE, UH, I THINK IT WAS 3.2 FEET LESS THAN THE EXISTING 50 FOOT SETBACK.
THE SECRA, IS THAT THE SECOND ITEM? I THINK OUR FIRST ITEM IS THE BUFFER PLANTINGS.
MAKE THAT NUMBER TWO AND WE'LL GO BACK UP TO NUMBER ONE.
THE, UH, NUMBER ONE EXCEPTION, UH, WILL BE, UH, THAT WE PROPOSE TO APPROVE AN EXCEPTION, UM, TO THE BUFFER PLANTINGS, UH, NORMALLY REQUIRED BY SECTION 15 DASH 44 5 DOT B.
UM, AND, UH, WOULD INSTEAD ALLOW, UH, THE BUFFER PLANTINGS AS IDENTIFIED ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, UH, PROPOSED AND PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT AND, UM, STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED PLANTINGS AND THE DEFENSE AS SHOWN.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO USE THAT LANGUAGE? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO USE THAT LANGUAGE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT MODIFICATION.
UM, AGAIN, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WELL, WE'VE ALREADY NOTED THAT ALL THE EXCEPTIONS ARE LIMITED TO BE USED.
UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE WILL BE A, UH, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS ALL PART OF THE EXISTING MOTION TO APPROVE AN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW FOR THE USE OF GRAVEL ONLY, UM, ON THE DRIVES AND PARKING AREAS, EXCEPT FOR THE SPACES AND PEDESTRIAN ACT ACCESS FOR HANDICAP SPACES, UM, AS SHOWN ON THE EXISTING, UM, SITE PLAN INCLUDED WITH THE REPORT.
AND THE FINAL, UM, UH, EXCEPTION, UM, THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THE MOTION IS THAT, UM, UM, THERE WILL BE, UM, UH, APPROVAL OF AN EXCEPTION, UM, THAT NO SIDEWALK, UM, UM, UH, B OR NO PEDESTRIAN ACCESS PER SECTION 15 DASH 4 45 DOT B DOT SUBSECTION FIVE, UH, BE PROVIDED, UM, UNDER THE, UH, UH, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES AS OUTLINED IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND AS WE PREVIOUSLY NOTED AS, UM, LIMITED TO THE EXISTING USE.
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I CONCUR.THERE'S ONLY TWO OF US CORRECT.
BUT I CONCUR WITH YOUR STATEMENT AND I SECOND THE MOTION THAT, THAT YOU'VE MADE.
AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S PROBABLY CLEAR FROM THE WAY YOU MADE IT, BUT I WOULD JUST ADD TO NUMBER TWO, THE EXISTING SETBACK IS OKAY.
AND NO, NO ADDITIONAL EXPANSION CLOSER TO, UM, THE, THE ROAD.
WE ACCEPT THAT FRIENDLY ADDITION AND CLARIFICATION.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
[B. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – May 9, 2022]
NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE MAY 9TH MEETING.KEEP IT STRAIGHT A DID A GOOD JOB.
UM, NEXT ORDER BUSINESS IS THE MINUTES.
SO, UH, MINUTES HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED.
I SHARED, UM, TWO ITEMS ON THE MINUTES.
UH, ONE IS A SPELLING AND ONE IS, UH, JUST AN INTERNAL SYNTAX, UM, BEFORE THE MEETING BEGAN.
AND I'LL JUST POINT THOSE OUT, THE WORD COUNSEL TO BE SPELLED, UH, C O U S N E L S N S E L.
AND THE OTHERS, LIKE I SAID, JUST SYNTAX.
SO WITH THOSE, UH, WITH THOSE NOTATIONS, UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENT ON THE CONTENT OF THE MINUTES.
UM, ALTHOUGH I WILL VOTE ON THE MINUTES, I WILL NOTE I WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE MEETING.
SO AS TO THE SUBSTANCE OF THE MEETING AND THE DISCUSSION, I CAN'T, UH, I'M NOT REALLY VERY WELL QUALIFIED TO COMMENT ON THOSE.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE TIME.
YEAH, I, I REMEMBER THE MEETING, I WAS PRESENT AT THE MEETING, UM, AND I HAVE NO COMMENTS ON THE SUBSTANCE OF THE MINUTES.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
UM, ALRIGHT, I'VE MADE, I'VE MADE THE MOTION AND MR. FARRA SECONDED.
UM, I CONSENT MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS FOR THE COMMITTEE THIS EVENING? YES, SIR.
[C. OTHER BUSINESS]
ACTUALLY DO HAVE ONE ITEM OF OTHER BUSINESS THAT WAS, UM, DISCUSSED AT OUR MAY 9TH MEETING.AND MS. SHERRY'S GONNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT WITH YOU.
I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
FOR THE RECORD, AS MR. CASH SAID, UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK FOLLOW UP.
UM, AS YOU RECALL, AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, MR. LIND HAD COME TO THE MEETING AND SPOKE, UM, AT THE PUBLIC COMMENT AREA THAT WAS ADDED TO THE, UH, AGENDA.
UM, SO AT THE MEETING IT WAS ASKED, UM, IF THE, UM, IF, UM, YOUR COMMITTEE, THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE HAD THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW DE DEMOLITION PERMITS OR, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS? UM, AS IT TURNS OUT, AS I SUSPECTED AT THE MEETING, IN FACT, NO.
UM, THERE IS NO AUTHORITY IN THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY.
I HAVE SHARED, UH, THIS CON THIS INFORMATION WITH MR. LYNN AS WELL AS, UM, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE, UM, HISTORIC HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
AND, UH, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A PROCESS UPON WHICH, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE THE COUNTY TO ADOPT THROUGH AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
THE, UM, JUST TO GIVE A VERY BRIEF, UM, IT REALLY IS QUITE A, A SIMPLE, UM, PROCESS.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHEN, UM, SOMEONE WERE TO COME INTO THE, UM, IN OUR OFFICE WITH THE DEMOLITION PERMIT, WE WOULD LOOK AT, UM, THE AGE OF THE, UM, STRUCTURE, AND THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH VCRI, WHICH IS A, UM, UM, A PROGRAM, SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT IS RUN BY THE STATE.
IT'S A TREMENDOUS INVENTORY OF INFORMATION, BUT AMONG THEM, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND OUT, UH, THE YEAR OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND IF, IF IT WAS IDENTIFIED AS A HUNDRED YEARS OR OLDER, UM, WE WOULD THEN DIRECT THEM TO THE, UM, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IF THEY WANTED INFORMATION ON HOW TO PRESERVE IT OR, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANTED TO SELL IT RATHER THAN TO DEMOLITION IT.
UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME INTERNAL CONVERSATIONS WITH ADMINISTRATION.
UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, UM, OUR WORKLOAD IS TREMENDOUS AND IT IS ON OUR WORKLOAD TO DISCUSS WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS COMING BEFORE THEM IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.
BUT IT IS PROBABLY AT THE NEW YEAR, YEAR A DISCUSSION POINT THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO THEN, UM, TAKE THEIR DIRECTION.
SHERRY, I I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
KNOWING OF COURSE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE DATA ON, ON PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE, IN THE CAMA DATA AND THE COUNTY ASSESSOR'S DATA, ARE THE, DO YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW, HOW ACCURATE AND HOW HELPFUL THE INFORMATION IS THAT'S ALREADY IN THE COUNTY'S POSSESSION WITHOUT RUNNING A, A SEARCH INVE CHRIS? UM,
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SO I THINK ON OUR, UM, PRIMARY STRUCTURES, I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFIDENCE.I THINK THERE THE, UM, I GUESS PROBABLY THE CONFIDENCE GOES DOWN WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, AT A HUNDRED YEARS THERE'S BEEN MORE, UM, RESEARCH THAT I GUESS THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND TARGETED BY THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STATE AND THE, THE FOLKS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE, THE V C E S UH, DATABASE.
AND AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, I KNOW THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER ALREADY IDENTIFIED IN THE COUNTY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STRICTLY FROM VCRS OR IF THAT'S JUST THEIR THEIRS THE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD CHECK IT AGAINST BOTH.
OF COURSE, WE WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO LOOK ON OUR OWN CA DATA.
DO YOU KNOW IF THE PROPERTY IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA WAS LISTED IN VCRS AND IF THAT INFORMATION WAS AVAILABLE FOR THE THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I'M GUESSING THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, UM, BECAUSE IT DID HAVE, NOT JUST AGE WISE, BUT IT DID HAVE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
UM, BUT I DUNNO THE ANSWER EXACTLY, AND MY CONCERN WOULD BE THE BURDEN ON STAFF TO DO RESEARCH FOR EACH DEMOLITION PERMIT THAT'S PROPOSED.
AND OBVIOUSLY I WOULD, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY THAT YOU MIGHT LOOK INTO THAT IS TO ADD A LINE IN THE DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLICATION THAT ASKS THE DATE OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND SO BASED ON A SELF REPORT, AT LEAST THERE'S SOME WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE.
THE SECOND WOULD BE TO CHECK THE COUNTY RECORDS, AND THE THIRD WOULD BE TO GO TO B CHRIS.
THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS ACTUALLY HELPFUL.
I KNOW, UM, THERE WAS SOME OTHER, UM, AND I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF, UH, WHAT HAPPENED AT THE, HIS, UM, UH, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, BUT, UM, IN SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THEIR MEMBERS, THEY WERE ACTUALLY THINKING TO DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE RESTRICTIVE THAT WOULD BE, UM, MORE BURDENSOME, AS YOU SAID TO STAFF.
AND, UM, THEY RECOGNIZED THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN BRING THAT FORWARD.
THEY DID RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, OUR RESOURCES WOULD BE VERY GOOD TO GO TOWARD CONSIDERING HOW BI BUSY WE ARE.
SO WE KIND OF, AND IT WAS KIND OF A MIDDLE GROUND, BUT I DO LIKE YOUR, YOUR SUGGESTIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND SO YEAH, AS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, UM, UH, WERE, WERE BROUGHT WAS WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAD AUTHORITY TO REVIEW THOSE, THOSE WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE.
AND, UM, THAT WILL ALSO BE PART OF OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS.
BUT I'M NOT SO SURE THAT THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR THIS.
IT SEEMS SORT OF LIKE, UM, A MEETING IN THE MIDDLE, RIGHT? YEAH, SO THAT IS CORRECT.
WELL, ACTUALLY, UM, ACTUALLY, UM, MR. GLASS, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
UH, I THINK IT PROBABLY WOULD BE, UH, COUNTYWIDE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'D BE LOOKING FOR, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE, UM, THE INFORMATION THROUGH VCRS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR, YOU KNOW, JUST IN, IN THE OUTLIERS.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT.
IS THERE A TIMELINE UNDER WHICH ENDED DECISION MIGHT BE MADE? NO, I DO KNOW THAT, UM, AND MS. JACKSON CAN BACK ME UP ON THIS, UM, THAT WE ARE BUSY.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF DOING FIVE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
UM, JUST RUNNING THROUGH, UM, SOME SMALL, SOME VERY LARGE.
UM, AND SO I'M, I'M NOT THINKING THAT THIS WILL PROBABLY, UM, UM, HIT A DISCUSSION POINT UNTIL AFTER THE NEW YEAR.
I WASN'T SUGGESTING THERE SHOULD BE ONE.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY LIKE, I MEAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO TO LOOK AT IT NOW IF WE JUST HAD THE ABILITY TO, SO YEAH, NO, NO.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS? NO, SIR.
I DO APPRECIATE THE, THE REPORT THIS EVENING.
[D. ADJOURNMENT]
TO ADJOURN.OH, I POSITION, MOTION CARRIES.
I THINK IF I'M REMEMBERING RIGHT, I MAY ROLL OFF IN MAY.
IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHEN DO I ROLL OFF?