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SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS LIGHT WHEN SHE WALKED IN.
SOMETHING THE REST OF HIS LIFE WOULD BE PLAYING HIS HEAD.
CAUSE HE SAID WE WERE SIX INCHES AWAY FROM ME.
SHE'S TEXTING, HE WAS LIKE THING.
OH HE'S GONNA, HE'LL GET, WE'LL GET PICKED UP TOO.
I DUNNO WHAT, 50 YEARS OR SO HE'S BEEN THERE.
AND, UH, ALRIGHT, WE READY? ALRIGHT FOLKS, THANK YOU.
UH, WE'RE GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UH, IT IS MY PLEASURE AND HONOR TO CALL IT TOGETHER TO CALL THE ORDER DECEMBER 13TH TRANSPORTATION WORK SESSION.
THANK YOU STAFF FOR GETTING THIS TOGETHER.
I KNOW LAST TIME WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WAS VERY ROBUST, UH, CONVERSATION AND LOTS OF SHARING.
SO HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE THE SAME.
WE'LL RUN THIS LIKE A WORK SESSION.
SO NO NEED TO, UH, REQUEST, UH, PERMISSION TO SPEAK TO THE CHAIR.
AND AT THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. MOORE.
UH, SO THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, WE ARE ORIGINALLY, WHEN I HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING A WORKSHOP WITH THE BOARD, THIS ONE IN ONE IN MARCH WAS KIND OF A TWO-PART SERIES ABOUT FUNDING AND THEN HOW DO WE TAKE THAT FUNDING AND APPLY IT TO THE CIP P I WOULD EVEN SAY THIS IS REALLY A THREE PARTER WHEN WE GO BACK TO OUR WORKSHOP WE HAD IN JUNE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PROJECTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE GOING ON AND ONES THAT ARE KIND OF ON TAP.
PART OF THE MARCH ONE WOULD BE TAKING THOSE PROJECTS AND SEEING HOW THESE FUNDING SOURCES WILL BE APPLIED TO THOSE AND THEN AS WELL AS THE FUTURE.
SO WE CAN REALLY PLAN THIS OUT.
THE GOAL HERE FOR THE COUNTY IS TO COME UP WITH A SIX YEAR PLAN.
EVERYTHING KIND OF WORKS IN SIX YEARS IN THE TRANSPORTATION WORLD.
SO IT'S A SIX YEAR PLAN ON PRIORITIZATION AND FUNDING APPLICATION CYCLES.
SO TODAY'S GOAL IS TO TALK THROUGH PRETTY MUCH ALL THE FUNDING APPLICATIONS THAT WE, WE HAVE ELIGIBLE TO US THAT WE MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT ALL ENCOMPASSING.
THINGS ARE POPPING OUT FROM PRETTY MUCH WEEKLY OUT OF THE, UH, FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
BILL UNITED FINDS OUT ABOUT A NEW GRANT OPPORTUNITY AND LETS US KNOW.
SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE IT STANDS CURRENTLY.
UH, AND LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING INTO SOME OF THIS.
SO WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH CURRENT PROJECT UPDATES ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY IN THE COUNTY, UH, COLLABORATION OF PARTNERS, HOW WE CAN USE OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS TO OUR, UH, ADVANTAGE, THE FUNDING SOURCES.
WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH FOUR DIFFERENT POTS OF MONEY, ESSENTIALLY FEDERAL, STATE, REGIONAL, AND THEN LOCAL.
AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME FUTURE TOPICS AT THE VERY END.
SO A COUPLE OF CURRENT PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON ARE RELATED TO FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
UH, THE FAIRGROUND ROAD ROUNDABOUT IS CURRENTLY ON SCHEDULE.
UH, THE CONTRACTOR AND VDOT ARE WORKING ON FIRMING UP.
REALLY SOME OF THE DETOUR DATES.
THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE A BIG IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY REALLY LOCALIZED AROUND THE INTERSECTION.
SO WE'RE SLATED FOR THAT RIGHT NOW TO BE KIND OF LATE WINTER, EARLY SPRING.
THE FIRM DATES OF THAT ARE GONNA BE WORKED OUT AND HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR, IF NOT BY THE END OF JANUARY, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY SO WE CAN BE BEST PREPARED FOR THAT.
CAN I ASK YOU QUESTION ONE SECOND? YES.
SO I, I KNOW THAT'S NOT A FORMAL AGENDA BOARD, BUT THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON HERE THAT YOU WANT TO JUST TEE UP SO THAT WE CAN EITHER ADD IT OR AS YOU'RE GOING AS IS GOING THROUGH, WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT.
I JUST WANTED TO KINDA PAUSE YOU BEFORE WE DONE.
APPRECIATE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS DURING THIS WEEK.
THERE'S THE QUESTION SLOT AT THE END, BUT DON'T HOLD ANYTHING UNTIL THE END
AND COMPLETION OF THE ROUNDABOUTS CURRENTLY SLATED FOR OCTOBER OF 2023.
SO THAT IS RIGHT ON SCHEDULE WITH, WITH WHERE THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THAT.
UH, JUST KEEPING THAT MOVING ON.
UH, AND THEN SECONDARY PROJECT ON FAIRGROUND ROAD IS A CORRIDOR STUDY.
WE ARE EXPECTING FINAL DELIVERABLES IN THE NEXT FOUR TO SIX WEEKS OR SO.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
I THINK, UM, THE INTERIM KIND OF MIDWAY MEETING WE HAD ON SOME OF THE INITIAL DELIVERABLES AND THE PROPOSALS IS REALLY, I THINK, HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS
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FAR AS SOME SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR AS WELL AS SOME CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS.UH, WE'LL TOUCH ON SOME OF THAT, UH, LATER ON WHEN WE GET INTO SOME, INTO SOME OF THE FUNDING.
AND I KNOW VIDOS GONNA SPEAK TO, TO ONE OF THE POSSIBLE AVENUES WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS AND POTENTIALLY GET THEM FUNDED.
UM, THE STUDY IS REALLY SAFETY FOCUSED BUT ALSO REVIEWING A FEW KEY INTERSECTIONS.
UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THOSE FINAL DELIVERABLES AND SEEING WHAT IMPROVEMENTS, IF ANY, ARE ON THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, SORRY TO KEEP MAKING YOU PAUSE.
CAUSE I APPRECIATE WHEN WE DO, UM, WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE SEE CONSTRUCTION THERE.
THEY SEE THE ROAD GOING TO GO UP TO THE LAY DOWN YARD AND THEY'RE SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMMENTS, UH, BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE OKAY.
ABOUT THE, UH, THE FAIRGROUNDS AROUND EXTENSION.
WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED, WE ALWAYS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THEM A LOT IN CON CONNECTION WITH EACH OTHER.
UM, ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS, SO THAT BE PART OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY? CAUSE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, WE'VE PROBABLY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY.
SO WE'LL TOUCH ON THE FAIRGROUNDS EXTENSION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCE WE DID USE FOR THAT, WHICH IS REVENUE SHARING.
UM, WE WAS NOT GOING TO TOUCH ON THAT AS FAR AS GETTING INTO REAL DETAILS, UH, TIMING OF THAT PROJECT.
THAT WAS, THOSE REAL DETAILS WOULD BE KIND OF WORKED OUT AS FAR AS GETTING THE EXTRA MONEY WE NEED FOR THAT PROJECT, KIND OF IN THE MARCH WORKSHOP.
BUT I'M ALSO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE NOW AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING I NEED TO ADDRESS WHEN WE GET TO THAT SLIDE.
I'D LOVE TO HAVE ENOUGH THAT OKAY.
AND, AND WE CAN PROVIDE ANY KINDA SPECIFICS AS A SIDEBAR TO THIS PROJECT OR ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW ANOTHER, UH, HIGH PRIORITY ISSUE IS THE H ROAD REALIGNMENT.
AND I WILL, LET ME PREFACE THAT BEFORE I JUMPED IN THAT I APOLOGIZE NOT PHYSICALLY BEING IN THE ROOM THERE WITH YOU ALL.
I'VE BEEN RUNNING A FEVER FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS.
SO I WAS CARRYING ON THE ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION OR WHATEVER IN THE STREET THING IS THAT IS GIVING ME A FEVER THAT THOSE ARE MUCH MORE, UH, EASY TO SPREAD THAN GIFT THEY GIVE DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON.
UM, BUT AUSTIN, YOU KNOW, IS REALLY TRYING TO WORK ON FOCUSING ON THE HIGH LEVEL THINGS FOR US OF, UM, PROJECTS WE ARE IN, FUNDING QUEUES, AND WHAT SORT OF LOTS OF MONEY WE SHOULD BE EDUCATING OURSELVES ON AS WE LOOK TO IDENTIFY THINGS AND THINGS THAT MAY APPLY IN YOUR DISTRICT OR OTHER HIGH LEVEL TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.
AND KIND OF GO FROM THERE WITH KIND OF STRATEGIZING AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND TRY TO GROW WHAT IT IS THAT IS GOING TO START TO BECOME LOOSES TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM WITHIN THE COUNTY AND, UM, ITS REPUTATION IN PLACE WITHIN THE REGION.
LET ME TELL YOU WHY I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION HERE AS OPPOSED TO SIDEBAR IS BECAUSE THE, OH, NO, THAT, THAT'S TODAY'S PURPOSE, YOUR HONOR.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, SPECIFICALLY THE EXTENSION.
UM, WHICH IS JUST, JUST TO UNDERSTAND, GET THE UPDATE LIKE MS. LAST SAID, BECAUSE CITIZENS ARE SAYING WE RAN OUT MONEY.
THEY'RE SAYING YOU TRIED TO BUILD A SCHOOL, BUT YOU'RE ALREADY RUN OUT OF MONEY ON THESE PRODUCTS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ACTUAL STORY.
SO I JUST WANNA UNDER BE ABLE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO, AND I DO TOUCH ON THAT AS, AS FAR AS TALK WHEN I GET TO THE REVENUE SHARING, UM, PORTION OF, I DO TOUCH ON THE FAIRGROUNDS EXTENSIONS, SO WE CAN HAVE THAT THEN IF YOU WANT.
I MEAN, I'M ALSO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
UH, IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO IT NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO? OKAY.
ALSO, LIKE YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE ASHLAND ROAD DIAMOND AND OR OH, WE'RE GONNA TOUCH ON SOME OF THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT.
SO ONE THING WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD WITH GETTING THE COUNTY'S TRANSPORTATION GOALS EXECUTED IS COLLABORATION AT WHAT REGIONAL PARTNER DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE PLAN RBA, RICHMOND REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION, AS WELL AS, UH, THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.
THE GOAL OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND HOW IT BENEFITS GLAND IS GETTING OUR PROJECTS THAT WE VIEW AS CURRENT PRIORITIES INTO THEIR LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, INTO THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, AND REALLY MAKING THEM PRIORITIES IN THE REGION, WHICH WILL BET, WHICH WILL BETTER.
UM, IT, IT, IT'LL HELP US GET BETTER GRANT APPLICATIONS.
IT WILL HELP US MOVE FORWARD IN THE REGION IF IT'S SEEN AS A REGIONAL PRIORITY.
AND WE JUST CONTINUE THAT DIALOGUE WITH THE REGION TO SEE THAT BLAND DOES HAVE SOME PROJECTS WE THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND THEY OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED AS A HIGH LEVEL PROJECT IN AN AREA.
UM, U UTILIZING CONSULTANTS, UH, IS REALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK, TO GET THE BEST APPLICATIONS NO MATTER WHAT THE FUNDING SOURCE IS.
IF WE NEED STUDIES, IF WE NEED SOME LEVEL OF PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING OR DESIGN OR TRAFFIC COUNTS OR, OR ANY INFORMATION, IT'S BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE CONSULTANTS WITH A POT OF MONEY THAT WE WILL, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT LATER, BUT UTILIZING CBTA LOCAL FUNDS TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE, MAYBE KNOCK OUT SOME OF THAT PRELIMINARY STUFF TO REALLY BETTER ANY APPLICATION.
BECAUSE THE MORE INFORMATION WE SUBMIT, THE BETTER THE SCORE.
JUST ALASKA IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A THOUGHT OR A QUESTION.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT US HIRING CONSULTANTS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE H ROAD REALIGNMENT, WE DID HAVE TO,
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WE HAD MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR PREVIOUS CYCLES, BUT TO GET A STUDY FOR A SMART SCALE APPLICATION, WE DO HAVE TO OUTSOURCE THAT TO THIRD PARTIES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF OR THE CAPABILITY IN-HOUSE TO DO THAT KIND OF DEEP DETAILED ANALYSIS.SO IF WE WERE TO SUBMITTED THAT PROJECT SPECIFICALLY FOR SMART SCALE WITHOUT A STUDY, IT MOST LIKELY WOULD'VE BEEN SCREENED OUT.
SO IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD, WE WE MAY HAVE TO PAY THE BILL ON GETTING SOME REAL DETAILED INFORMATION DOWN FIRST.
SO THE TPO, UH, THIS CAME UP, THIS COME UP RECENTLY CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING.
THE RURAL JURISDICTIONS, I MEAN, KNOW SOME OF THE JURISDICTIONS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THINGS IN THE CONTEXT OF WHO'S DOING WHAT, OFTENTIMES SOME OF THE SMALLER JURISDICTIONS WILL SAY, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
SO I'VE HEARD THAT REPEATEDLY.
SO I TALKED TO THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AFTER THE MEETING AND HE REMINDED ME THAT THE TPO THROUGH PLAN RMA PLAN RBA HANDLES THE HIRING AUDIT, BUT THROUGH THE TPO HAS A POSITION FOR A TRAFFIC ENGINEER SLASH SOMEBODY TO HELP WITH WHAT I THINK YOU'RE SAYING THAT CONSULTANTS WOULD HELP WITH.
AND I'VE BEEN SORT OF SUPPORTIVE OF THAT OR TRYING TO FIND OUT MORE AND HAVE THIS AS A TPO BASED RESOURCE FOR THE RURAL COUNTIES THAT DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
ONE THING WITH THAT TOO IS, SO I JUST WONDER DOES THE, IS THE, I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO GET A READING FROM MY COLLEAGUES, IS THERE AN INTEREST IN US PURSUING AND MAYBE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT AND TALKING TO THE OTHER WORLD JURISDICTIONS, THEY, THEY GOT THE JOB ADVERTISED AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING, IT'S, IT'S LIKE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HARD TO FILL.
SO I, I THINK MY NEXT STEP WAS TO TALK TO FOLKS THAT PLAN RVA ABOUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE RUMOR IF WE'VE HAD THIS JOB, UH, POSTED FOR A LONG TIME AND NOT GET ANYTHING, LET'S KICK IT ALONG.
SO TALK TO PLAN RBA WHILE AT THE SAME TIME TIME TALKING TO CHARLES CITY, THE NEW KEN OF ALTAN.
UM, AS TO WHETHER WE WANT TO REALLY MAKE A JOINT EFFORT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY WELL JUST LOOK, SEE, SEE HOW IT'S, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT PLAN RBAS BUDGET IS.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT POSITION, BUT I MEAN, IS THERE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY WOULD SAY LET'S, IF WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING A PERSON CAN, CAN, CAN THE LOCAL, IS IT BENEFIT THAT, CAN WE PUT A SMALL AMOUNT TOWARDS THE, TOWARDS THE SALARY TO SWEETEN IT? AND THEN, I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION.
I THINK THEY JUST ARE PLANNING TO HIRE IT.
IT'S GONNA, A PERSON'S GONNA HELP A LOT WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE TPO.
BUT HE SAID THIS IS, THIS IS, WELL, THE, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT IS, IS KNOWING VERY WELL THE, THE FUNDING STRATEGY FOR, FOR, UH, PLANNER, MOST OF THEIR PROJECTS COSTS COME BACK TO LOCALITY.
SO THEY'RE JUST A MORE LOCAL CONSULTANT IN A LOT OF CASES.
SO WE CAN, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR REVENUES COME FROM WHAT WE PROVIDE THEM.
THEY ALSO COME FROM EACH OF THESE GRANTS AND THEN ACTING AS A FUNDING SOURCE.
SO IF WE'RE TO DO THAT, I WOULD WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING ON BOTH ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR CLAIMS ARE.
I MEAN, I GUESS PLAN RB MUST HAVE IN THE BUDGET, THEY'VE GOT A NUMBER IN THEY'RE PAYING WITH THESE FUNDS.
AND I WASN'T, THAT WAS NOT REALLY, SHOULDN'T HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP.
CAUSE THAT WAS NOT MY LEAD POINT.
AND MY LEAD PLAN WAS DO WE WANT, MY LEAD WAS DO WE WANT TO EVEN PUSH FOR THE IDEA OF COLLABORATING, PARTICIPANT PARTICIPATING AND ENGAGING? CUZ THEN WE GET INTO A LOT OF DETAILS.
WELL, HOW ARE WE GONNA ALLOCATE THE WORK? IS ONE GROUP GOING TO SAY, WELL HERE I'VE GOT 10 PROJECTS I WANT THIS PERSON TO WORK ON.
I, I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH EXPLORING.
A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON AROUND, UM, AUSTIN AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE MEETING, WHICH IS THOSE WITH BETTER ESTIMATES SHOULD DO BETTER BECAUSE THERE'S MEANING IF, IF YOU, IF WE FEEL THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY, WE'RE CERTAIN THAT THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT SHOULD DO BETTER THAN SOMEBODY THAT'S, EH, I DON'T KNOW WITH LOWER NUMBER AT IT BACK THAT WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY DO BETTER SCORE SCORE BETTER SCORE SCORE BETTER UNDERSTAND THE, THE VERIFICATION.
SO MY, SO MY POINT IS IF ALL THE OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE THAT AND WE DON'T, WE'RE AT A DISADVANTAGE.
SO WE NEED TO SORT OF, BECAUSE IT'S A WHILE.
IT IS, IT, IT'S OUR PARTNERS AND THERE'S COLLABORATION.
I SAID THIS, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME SMALL JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE PUSHING FOR FAIRNESS IN, IN THIS WHOLE SCORING PROCESS.
I, I, I CHIMED IN AND SAID AT THE LAST, LAST WEEK OR TWO'S MEETING IS, LET'S BE REALISTICALLY ABOUT WHAT CAN GET DONE POLITICALLY.
SO I WAS GONNA SAY IF BOSTON KIND OF KEEP ON HIS RIGHT THING AND THEN, WELL IT WAS CONSULTANTS, WE GOT STUCK ON THE CONSULTANTS, BUT, BUT IF THAT'S OUT THERE, I'D LOVE TO WILLING THIS CONNECTION THINK WE THAT
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YEAH.LOOKS LIKE THE INTERNET'S DOWN THERE.
ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT IS IF THERE'S ONE POSITION, THERE'S 10 OR SO COUNTIES IN THE TPO AND THE CBT, I THINK IT'S NINE.
THERE'S FOUR BIG ONES IF YOU INCLUDE HANOVER.
SO FIVE COUNTIES ARE FIGHTING FOR ONE PERSON'S TIME.
SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE AS WELL TO CONSIDER, WHICH IS WHY THIRD PARTIES I THINK ARE ALSO VERY IMPORTANT IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A BACKLOG THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK WE MAY STILL BE AT A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO GO TO A KIMLEY HORN WITH TIM TO, TO ANY OF THOSE.
BUT I, I THINK FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, I THINK IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD TO EXPLORE THAT.
I NEED TO ASK FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY SINCE WE ADVERTISE THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE DURING ZOOM.
WE NEED TO PAUSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ZOOM OPTION AVAILABLE NOW.
SO THEY, WE JUST DID IT FOR, SO THEY COULD, SO THEY STILL ZOOM WE'RE BACK SENATE FOR SEE IT IN CRYSTAL.
THIS ISN'T AN ADVERTISING MEETING.
IT IS AN ADVERTIS MEETING AND IT'S AN ADVERTISED MEETING, BUT NOT, WE'RE GONNA GET THIS.
MR. BUT ARE WE, ARE WE, I KNOW WE'RE BACK NOW, BUT IF THAT HAPPENS, WARREN, ARE WE STILL STREAMING ON SET? WELL, IT, IT INTERRUPTED IT, BUT IT'S BACK NOW.
SO BASED ON INTERRUPTION, DO WE NEED TO PAUSE OR ARE WE OKAY TO GO? NO, YOU'RE OKAY.
APOLOGIZE FOR THE, THEN BOSTON COULD GET BACK ON SCHEDULE.
I THINK WE'RE SET UP STRAIGHT.
SO WHERE THAT CONVERSATION LEFT OFF, I GUESS WITH THE TPO CONSULT SCORING BETTER THIRD PARTY CONSULTANTS.
UM, AND THEN ONE OTHER AVENUE WE DO HAVE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STATE FUNDING SOURCES, IS, IS, IS VIDO WHERE THEY DO OFFER WHAT'S CALLED PRE SCOPING, WHERE ANY APPLICATION CYCLE THAT THEY HAVE, YOU CAN ESSENTIALLY GO THROUGH A PRE-APPLICATION CYCLE, MUCH LIKE WE DO FOR A REZONING APPLICATION HERE, WHERE YOU REALLY REFINE YOUR SCOPE, YOU CAN POTENTIALLY REFINE THE COST AS THE SCOPE CHANGES.
BECAUSE THAT'S ONE THING THAT HAPPENS DURING A LARGER AND SMART SCALE IS YOU LOOK AT YOUR SCOPE AND THE COST IS OBVIOUSLY GREATLY IMPACTED BY WHAT THE PROJECT ENTAILS AND THE, AND LENGTH AND, AND AND, AND, AND SO ON.
UM, HAVE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE 'EM UP ON THAT YET? WE HAVE NOT.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT WHERE SMART SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS CAN GO THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED THE PRE SCOPING.
IT, IT'S ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL PORTAL ON VDOT POST WEBSITE THAT WE CAN USE FOR ANY AND EVERYTHING.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY NEED TO LOOK AT UTILIZING THE SMART SCALE.
IT'S FOR SMART SCALE, IT'S FOR, UH, THE TAP, WHICH WE HAD FUNDING FOR THE END TRAIL.
UM, AND I BELIEVE IT'S ALSO GOOD FOR REVENUE SHARING.
SO IT'S ANY APPLICATION THAT YOU CAN USE THROUGH VDOT, YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE, IT'S EARLY REFIN.
I'LL JUST, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL YEAH.
AND THIS IS FILLING WITH BEAT UP BY THE WAY.
POCKET ROAD IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT THERE WAS AN OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS THAT WAS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE SMART SCALE APPLICATION.
UM, WE GOT TO A POINT WHERE THAT HADN'T BEEN DONE YET, BUT THE SMART SCALE APPLICATION WAS DUE.
NOW JUST, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT OUR DISTRICT IS SUPPORTING 14 DIFFERENT COUNTIES THROUGHOUT THE RICHMOND AREA, UM, WHICH IS WHERE IT, IT CAN BE BENEFICIAL IF THE COUNTY OR IF YOU USE THE TPO TO HELP SUPPLEMENT TO, TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THOSE STUDIES.
NOW WE, WE CAN, AS, AS AUSTIN ALLUDED TO, UM, BUT IT JUST COMES DOWN TO A WORKLOAD AND UM, YOU KNOW, FITTING THAT INTO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE GOING ON.
SO, UH, THE EARLIER THE BETTER.
UM, AND FOR H ROAD IT, IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL FOR THE COUNTY TO KIND OF TAKE THE LEAD ON GETTING THAT OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS.
SO THANK YOU GUYS, BUT THANKS PHILLIP.
UM, SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY NEED TO LOOK AT UTILIZING FOR, FOR ESPECIALLY THE STATE SOURCES.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA TOUCH ON, UH, SOME FUNDING SPECIFICALLY.
IT'S KIND OF THE MOST BROAD CATEGORY.
UM, AUSTIN, CAN I INTERJECT JUST FOR A SECOND? YEAH, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
MY HAND UP SO I'M NOT INTERRUPTING.
TRY TO LOOK AND SEE IF YOU SEE MY LITTLE YELLOW HAND OUT THERE.
UM, SO ONE THING I WANNA EMPHASIZE FOR YOU ALL, AND I I KNOW AUSTIN PHILLIP KNOW THIS IS SORT OF THE PROCESS OF WHY WE'RE KIND OF STARTING DOWN THIS EFFORT WITH THE INFORMATIONAL AND DISCUSSION
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ON THE FUNDING PIECE IS THE PRIORITIZATION OF PROJECTS.HE'S GOING TO START TO BECOME KEY BECAUSE OF HOW THE VDOT FUNDING CYCLE WORKS.
AND AS PHILIP MENTIONED THE WORKLOAD.
BUT AS WE IDENTIFY AND PRIORITIZE THE MANY PROJECTS OR THE NEEDS THAT THERE ARE, UM, WORKING TO, UH, ONE, ALIGN THOSE TO THE BEST PROGRAMS, BUT ALSO IDENTIFYING AND HAVING THAT DISCUSSION EARLY AND OFTEN WITH AR VDOT, UH, LOCAL OFFICE ON MAKING THEM AWARE OF WHAT THE PROJECT NEED IS HELPING TO BEST IDENTIFY THE PROGRAM, FIGURING OUT CAN THEY DO A, UM, LOCAL RESOURCE OR WHAT'S GONNA BE THE BEST FIT FOR THAT AND TIMING EVERYTHING.
BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE PROGRAMS AND ALSO GO INTO THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ARE EVERY OTHER YEAR, SOME OF THEM ARE ANNUAL AND THERE'S DIFFERENT TIMELINES AND REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED EVEN, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM A LEGISLATIVE SIDE, YOU KNOW, RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS OUTSIDE OF JUST, UM, MATCHING FUNDS.
AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE SIMILAR FOR SOME OF THE FEDERAL PROGRAMS OUTSIDE OF, UM, DUE CONGRESS, WHICH I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, SO WITH THAT, SO I JUST KIND OF WENT OUT ON A LIMBO IN ALL GRANTS.GOV, WHICH IS THE HOME FOR ANY AND ALL TRANSPORTATION FUNDING GRANTS.
AND IF YOU SEARCH THE KEYWORD TRANSPORTATION, THERE ARE POSSIBLE 356 APPLICATIONS THAT WE COULD IN THEORY APPLY FOR.
WE WERE PROBABLY ELIGIBLE FOR LESS THAN 5% OF THOSE BECAUSE WE, WHILE WE CAN APPLY FOR EVERYTHING, A LOT OF THEM ARE GEARED TOWARDS, WE HAVE NO TRIBAL LAND, WE HAVE NO CHEMICAL PLANTS, WE HAVE NO RAILROAD SPURS WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD.
SO REALLY HONING DOWN WHAT GRANTS THAT WE TRULY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR AND WHAT WE THINK WILL BE COMPETITIVE FOR.
AND THEN ALSO WE'LL GET PRIORITIZING GRANTS BASED ON COUNTY COMMITMENT REQUIRED.
IS THERE A FULL MATCH? IS IT A 20% MATCH? 50 50 MUCH LIKE REVENUE SHARING? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS WE LOOK AT, NOT ONLY WHAT PROJECTS WE HAVE THAT MIGHT BE GRANT CENTERED OR, OR, OR REALLY FIT WELL IN SOME OF THESE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
IT, WE ALSO HAVE TO WEIGH THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH GRANT AS FAR AS MATCHES AND, AND, AND THE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, MOST THE COMMON GRANTS WE SEE IN THE REGION FALL UNDER WHAT'S CALLED COMPLETE STREETS, WHICH IS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS BIKE BED SAFETY, SOME CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS, UH, RECONNECTING SOME ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCONNECTED.
UH, TWO OF THOSE ARE RECONNECTING COMMUNITIES, WHICH WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, BUT I'LL, I'LL TOUCH ON AGAIN VERY SHORTLY.
AND THEN SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL, UH, THOSE, THOSE ARE TWO OF THE MOST COMMON THAT WE SEE COME UP BEFORE THE TPO OR ANY KIND OF RESOLUTIONS TO SUPPORT FOR BOTH OF THOSE APPLICATIONS.
UM, AND THEN WE DO HAVE THE US CONGRESS, THAT IS WHERE WE'RE, ONCE IT GETS PASSED, ALL INDICATIONS ARE THAT IT WILL GET PASSED.
WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT ON FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO, TO KIND OF DO THEIR JOB.
UM, THE COMMUNITY PROJECT FUNDING PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE ON NOW, WE ARE HOPING TO GET 4 MILLION FOR THE MOBILE ROUNDABOUT THROUGH THAT.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CURRENT COMMITMENT FROM THEM THROUGH THAT BILL.
IT JUST HAS TO GO THROUGH THE SENATE AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT.
SO THAT IS ANOTHER SOURCE THAT WE DO HAVE.
SO WHEN WE FIND OUT THAT WE WANT, WHAT IS IT? WHAT HAPPENS FROM THERE? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU FOLLOW UP? HOW DO WE KNOW? THIS IS PRETTY NEW TO US.
SO I'VE BEEN STAYING VERY MUCH IN CONTACT WITH SPAM BERGER'S OFFICE.
WE ARE NO LONGER IN, AS OF DECEMBER 31ST, I BELIEVE IN SPAM BERGER'S DISTRICT.
BUT WE, IT DOES NOT CHANGE HER SUPPORT OR COMMITMENT TO THAT PROJECT.
SO IT IS STILL VERY MUCH, UH, IN THE BILL.
IT, I'VE STAYED IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH HER STAFF.
SO I ACTUALLY GOT AN EMAIL UPDATE ABOUT IT YESTERDAY.
AND I WILL CONTINUE TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH THEM.
THEY SEND OUT AN EMAIL PRETTY FREQUENTLY ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE BILL, WHETHER IT'S MOVING OR NOT MOVING.
THEY WILL SEND ME UPDATES ON IT, BUT THEN ONCE IT GETS AWARDED, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE PROJECT IS IN THE RIGHT LIST AS FAR AS CAN IT BE AWARDED THE, THE FEDERAL MONEY.
IT'S GOTTA BE IN THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TO JUST GET THE FEDERAL DOLLARS AT ALL.
UM, AND THEN HAVING THAT MONEY, IF IT DOESN'T COVER THE FULL COST OF THE PROJECT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THAT FUNDING FOR SMARTCAP OR ANY OTHER FUNDING SOURCE THAT WE DO HAVE AVAILABLE TO US.
WHEN YOU SAID IT, WOULD THIS BE WHERE ABOUT LIKE VF OR I I J IS THIS, ARE THOSE PROGRAMS AS WELL? NO, SO THE RECONNECTED COMU, I'M SORRY, NOT THE RECONNECTED COMMUNITIES, THE, UM, UH, COMMUNITY PROJECT FUNDING THROUGH US CONGRESS IS SEPARATE FROM THAT IS A HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE ITEM BY ITSELF THAT GOES INTO A YEARLY APPROPRIATIONS BILL FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO THAT'S NOT TIED TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, BILL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, THE I I J A AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT JOBS ACT IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT IS CENTERED HEAVILY ON INFRASTRUCTURE, ROADS, BRIDGES, WATER, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THERE ARE A PLETHORA OF, UM, FUNDING PROGRAMS THAT ARE EMERGING FOR THAT AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL AS WELL.
AND DVF IS DESIGNED PRIMARILY FOR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, BRIDGES.
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THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE.AND NOT ALL OF IT HAS TO BE THAT THE BRIDGES ARE BEING STRUCTURALLY POSITIONED.
THERE HAS BEEN, UM, MAJOR MAINTENANCE, UM, FUNDS AWARDED TWO STRUCTURES AS WELL.
AND AS SOON THAT, SO I DO HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION WITH THE STAFF AND I DID REACH OUT ABOUT HIS SUPPORT OF THE OILVILLE PROJECT, UM, NOT BEING IN HIS DISTRICT AT THE TIME.
THEIR STAFF WASN'T AWARE OF SOME OF THE SEVENTH DISTRICT PROJECTS.
UM, SPOKE AS SOON AS THE NEW APPLICATION COMES AROUND BECAUSE AS SPAN BERGER STAFF HAS ALLUDED TO, IT WILL BE A YEARLY APPLICATION PROCESS, A YEARLY CYCLE, WHICH IS GREAT.
SO THAT'S MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US.
UM, ONE THING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THAT EACH REPRESENTATIVE, I BELIEVE, GETS ONLY 10 PROJECTS FOR THEIR WHOLE DISTRICT.
SO WE DO NEED TO WEIGH THAT AS WELL, THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR ANYTHING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, IS IT THE BEST USE OF STAFF RESOURCES TO APPLY FOR SOMETHING WE MAY NOT GET ON KIND OF A SMALL PROJECT OR IF WE DO HAVE A BIG ONE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'D HAVE MAYBE KNOWN ABOUT IT AT THE TIME, WE COULD HAVE ASKED FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE ASHLAND ROAD DDI OR ANOTHER PROJECT THAT MIGHT BECOME A PRIORITY BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT CYCLE.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL DEFINITELY WORK WITH ON REPRESENTATIVE GOOD.
SO A COUPLE OF THE MORE COMMON GRANTS.
THE FIRST ONE IS RECONNECTING COMMUNITIES.
UH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE THREE TOP ROAD CONNECTION THAT KIND OF GOT LOCKED OFF BY ROUTE 2 88 WHEN THAT WAS BUILT.
UM, THE CRITERIA FOR THAT IS ANY ROAD, STREET OR PARKWAY OR ANY OTHER FACILITY THAT HASN'T CREATED A BARRIER TO COMMUNITY ACCESS, UM, OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND I UNDERLINE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY OUR DRIVER FOR THE APPLICATION FOR THREE CHOP.
IT DOESN'T, THERE'S NO COMMUNITY REALLY THERE NOW THERE'S JUST A FEW HOMES DOWN THREE CHOP THAT CAN ACCESS ASHLAND ROAD PRETTY EASILY.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER END OF THREE CHOP OR UM, TUCKAHOE LITTLE TUCKAHOE COURT, WHICH SERVICES WAWA IS, THAT'S PRETTY, UH, SELF SELF-SUFFICIENT.
SO THERE'S NO COMMUNITY TO REALLY RECONNECT.
SO OUR FOCUS ON THAT WILL BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE TWO TYPES OF GRANTS UNDER THAT ARE PLANNING AND CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION.
THE PLANNING GRANT IS MORE AROUND SOME ITEMS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE ON THE THREE JOB ROAD RECONNECTION, FEASIBILITY STUDIES, SOME VERY, VERY PRELIMINARY DESIGN ON WHAT WOULD THE BRIDGE UNDER 2 88 EVEN LOOK LIKE.
UM, SO WE WOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE FOOT, THE BILL OF ACTUALLY BUILDING THE PROJECT.
THERE IS A MAXIMUM AWARD ON THIS, I BELIEVE OF 20 MILLION, WHICH THREE CHAPTER WOULD BE RIGHT AT THAT NUMBER POTENTIALLY.
UM, IT'S VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL COST ESTIMATES, NOT THE TITLE UNDER CORRECT.
UM, SO WE WOULD BE AIMING FOR THE CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION PORTION OF THE RECONNECTING COMMUNITIES GRANT.
ANOTHER COMMON ONE THAT WE SEE A LOT THROUGH THE TPO FOR RESOLUTIONS AND SUPPORT IS SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL.
UH, THE GOAL FROM FH W IS TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE ROADWAY FATALITIES AND SERIOUS INJURIES AS A RESULT OF EIGHT CRASHES.
UH, THE CRITERIA HERE IS ABOUT CREATING SAFETY PLANS AND THEN IMPLEMENTING THOSE SAFETY PLANS.
SO IT'S REALLY GEARED TOWARDS PLANNING DOCUMENTS AND THEN CONSTRUCTING THE PROJECTS THAT ARE PROPOSED OUT OF THOSE DOCUMENTS.
OUR ELIGIBILITY HERE IS, I KNOW THERE'S A REGIONAL UNDERTAKING MR. LUMPKINS THROUGH THE TPO, THAT THERE'S, THERE MAY BE A REGIONAL KIND OF SAFETY ACTION PLAN BEING UNDERTAKEN, BUT GLING CAN, CAN ALWAYS UNDERGO ITS OWN ACTION PLAN, MUCH LIKE RICHMOND'S VISION ZERO.
UH, SO WE CAN LOOK AT COUNTYWIDE, UH, OR, OR DISTRICTWIDE IF WE WANTED TO REALLY HONE DOWN THAT SPECIFIC TO LOOK AT SAFETY ON OUR CORRIDORS AND ANY PROJECTS THAT COME OUT OF THAT WE COULD THEN PURSUE, UM, IMPLEMENTATION GRANTS TO ACTUALLY BUILD THOSE PROJECTS.
DO, DO YOU ALL STAFF, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THIS GRANT IS AVAILABLE FOR US, LIKE YOU SAID, EITHER THE PLANNING OR THE IMPLEMENTATION? IMPLEMENTATION? WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF, UH, WE DON'T HAVE PLAN FOR ANY IMPLEMENTATION.
SO ANYTHING WE WOULD APPLY FOR REVIEW RIGHT NOW, WE'D ALL BE ACTION PLANS, GRANTS TO ACTUALLY GET THE PLANNING DOCUMENTS DONE.
UM, RIGHT NOW, FORTUNATELY GOLAND COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH ROADWAY FATALITIES, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS, BUT IT DOES IN TERMS OF SCORING FOR TRANSPORTATION FUNDING, IT DOES TEND TO HURT US A LITTLE BIT.
AND IF WE DON'T HAVE WIDESPREAD ISSUES OF MAJOR AREAS OF, OF FATAL OR SERIOUS INJURY CRASHES, THEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL NEED TO WEIGH AS FAR AS, UM, IF WE HAVE AREAS LIKE THE VILLAGE WHERE WALKABILITY, WE HEARD THIS, I HEARD THIS MORNING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF LACK OF WALKABILITY IN OUR VILLAGE.
SO CAN YOU GET US SAFE STREETS AND ROADS ALL TO HELP YOU CREATE A SAFE WALKABILITY? AND I THINK ESPECIALLY COMING OUTTA THE SMALL AREA PLANS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO KIND OF RE SPRINGBOARD OFF OF THOSE AND RUN INTO GETTING KIND OF A BIKE HEAD FACILITY SAFE, THE CENTER OF A PLAN TO, TO BE SPECIFIC.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET AN ACTION PLAN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT.
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AND REALLY THE THIRD, AND I SAY THE THIRD FEDERAL SOURCE IS THE THIRD OF THE MOST COMMON.AND ONE THAT WE VIEWED RECENTLY IS THE US CONGRESS HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE.
UH, THE COMMUNITY PROJECT FUNDING, IT'S A VERY BROAD APPLICATION AS FAR AS THE CRITERIA, IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ROAD PROJECTS, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN INTERSECTION.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO INVOLVE INTERSTATES.
AND LOOKING AT THE LIST, THERE'S A VARIETY OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN THE BILL, ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT SEVEN SCENE REPRESENTATIVE SPAN'S LIST.
SO ALL WE REALLY HAVE TO DO, AND THE ONLY CRITERIA WE'RE HELD TO IS JUST WHAT IS THE BENEFIT.
WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT THERE'S LEGITIMATE BENEFIT AS PART OF A PROJECT, WHICH THE OLDVILLE ROUNDABOUT SPECIFICALLY THAT WE DID SUBMIT, WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW THAT THERE'S BACKING UP ON I 64, WHICH IS A FEDERAL, UH, FACILITY.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW THAT IT'S REALLY GONNA GREATLY IMPACT THE SAFETY AND IMPROVE THE SAFETY ON A FEDERAL FACILITY.
SO THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS SO THAT YOU BE TO A CERTAIN POINT IN, IN DESIGN.
NO, THERE, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL APPLICATION.
IT, IT DIDN'T REQUIRE NEARLY THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT A SMART SCALE OR A REVENUE SHARING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WOULD WE IMPROVE OUR CHANCES IF WE HAD MORE DETAIL? NO.
THERE, BECAUSE IS IT A CONGRESS, A CONGRESS PERSON'S DECISION BY THE, SO IT'S A CONGRESSWOMAN'S OR A CONGRESSMAN'S DECISION, WHICH PROJECTS TO SUPPORT ANY SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS WE CAN GIVE, HELP THAT DECISION ONCE IT MAKES THE BILL, THE HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE AND THEN FULL CONGRESS, WHETHER IT'S THE HOUSE OR THE SENATE, DON'T PICK AND CHOOSE PROJECTS.
IT'S EITHER THEY'RE ALL IN OR THEY'RE ALL OUT.
SO ANY SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS WOULD REALLY BE GEARED TOWARDS THE SPECIFIC REPRESENTATIVE.
SO NOW IT WOULD BE REPRESENTATIVE GOOD AND GETTING HIM THE INFORMATION HE NEEDS TO SUPPORT OUR PROJECT VERSUS SOMEBODY ELSE'S.
SO MOVING ON TO SOME STATE FUNDING SOURCES ON JUST ONE MOMENT.
SO WHO'S SAYING THAT THEY, DID YOU SAY THEY CAN DO LIKE 10 A YEAR FOR EACH CYCLE? I BELIEVE THE NUMBER IS 10 THAT EACH REPRESENTATIVE GETS OUT OF THEIR ENTIRE COST REGARDLESS OF THERE IS A MAXIMUM AWARD, I BELIEVE FOR HIGHWAY PROJECT THAT IS 7 MILLION, WHICH WE DID ASK FOR LESS THAN THAT.
THE AWARD CAPS ARE NOT QUITE WHAT YOU, THEY'RE NOT AS HIGH AS YOU MAY THINK THEY ARE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO OTHER TYPES OF, THERE'S, THERE'S BRIDGE, THERE'S ENGINEERING, UH, THERE'S RAIL, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THERE.
IT'S, UM, BUT THE, THE HIGHWAY ONE SPECIFICALLY, IT'S A $7 MILLION CAP AND TOTAL ACROSS, NOT JUST HIGHWAY, BUT INCLUDING ALL THE CATEGORIES.
THEY GET 10 TO CHOOSE FROM EACH REPRESENTATIVE.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, REQUEST FOR OUR WEIGHT LIMITED BRIDGES? THERE CERTAINLY IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
UM, IT, LIKE I SAID, THE CRITERIA FOR THIS IS VERY LOOSE.
IT'S THE, THERE'S NO, IT CAN ONLY BE, OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS MANY CRASHES OR IT HAS TO MEET THIS SAFETY LEVEL OR IT HAS TO HAVE THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE.
IT'S, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, RIGHT.
OUR, YOU KNOW, FIRE MS CAN USE.
BUT I GUESS THERE, THERE'S NO MINIMUM.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, OH, WELL THAT BRIDGE DOESN'T SCORE QUITE ENOUGH JUST YET.
WE HAVE TO WAIT A COUPLE MORE YEARS FOR IT TO GET WORSE.
SO WE COULD SUBMIT, WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT SUBMITTING THOSE THROUGH THAT
SO THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
SO SOME OF THE STATE FUNDING SOURCES.
SO PRETTY MUCH ALL THE STATE FUNDING SOURCES ARE ADMINISTERED THROUGH VDOT.
AND THE ONES WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY ARE THE SMART SCALE, UH, REVENUE SHARING.
ONE WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BEFORE, AND I, I HOPE TO IS THE HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
UH, VDOT WILL TOUCH ON SOME OF THAT IN, IN, IN A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICS, THE STATE OF GOOD REPAIR FOR THE BRIDGES, WHICH I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST.
AND THEN ALSO THE, UM, SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN.
SO SMART SCALE, THE CRITERIA FOR THIS IS IT HAS TO BE A HIGHWAY CAPACITY IMPROVEMENT, WHICH IS WHAT'S ON VRAN.
THAT'S WHAT VRAN KIND OF TELLS THE LOCALITIES.
HERE'S WHERE WE SEE YOUR PRIORITIES ARE AS FAR AS WHAT YOUR CAPACITY NEEDS ARE.
UM, TRANSIT AND RAIL EXPANSION, BIKE PET IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN TRANSPORTATION DOMAIN MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS PARKING LOT, UM, GOLAND PROJECTS.
SO IN, IN 2022, WE DID SUBMIT THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS, THE OLDVILLE ROUNDABOUT, THE ASHLAND ROAD, DDI BROAD STREET OF ROUTE 2 88 IMPROVEMENTS, AS WELL AS THE HO ROAD REALIGNMENT.
SO IN REVENUE SHARING, UH, IT, IT'S A VERY BROAD CRITERIA FOR ELIGIBILITY.
IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF DO WE HAVE THE MONEY TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION OR NOT, BECAUSE IT IS A 50 50 SPLIT BETWEEN THE STATE AND THE LOCALITY.
UH, THIS GOES TO TOUCHING ON THE FAIRGROUND ROAD EXTENSION, MR. SPOON, HOWER, WHICH WE CAN CERTAINLY DELVE INTO WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THAT.
UM, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE THIS REVENUE SHARING AND APPLY IT TO A LOT OF PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THE CRITERIA IS SO LOOSE.
BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE 50% OF THE FUNDING AND COMMIT TO THAT UPFRONT.
SO DID YOU WANT TO TOUCH ON ANYTHING FAIR GROUND SPECIFIC? UM, I BELIEVE I HEARD YOU MENTION THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER SKIP MEETING IN MARCH IN ORDER TO TALK ABOUT SORT OF THE ACTUAL PROJECTS AND TIMING.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE MARCH ONE.
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THAT, DOES THAT ALIGN WITH DATES FOR SUBMISSION OF APPLICATIONS? SO MISS OUT OR HAVE CORRECT.SO PART OF, THERE'S NO DEADLINES BETWEEN NOW AND LATE SPRING, MID SPRING, LATE SPRING.
SO, AND THE PROJECTS, THE, THE DEADLINES THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN ARE PROJECTS THAT WE WILL BE RESUBMITTING.
SO A LOT OF THE LEG WORK'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.
SO IT SOUNDS TO ME ASHTON WROTE OUT WITH THE
SO MAYBE WE'RE, ARE WE PLANNING ON RESUBMITTING THAT OR MAY MAYBE JUST FIVE MINUTES ON WHERE WE'RE WITH THAT.
SO WE'RE THE FAIRER ROAD EXTENSION PROJECTS AS, AS, AS A WHOLE KIND OF WHERE IT STANDS NOW.
WE RECEIVED, UM, REVENUE SHARING ON THAT AND WE HAVE A COMMITMENT.
THE TOTAL REVENUE SHARING, I BELIEVE IS $4.8 MILLION.
WE HAVE AS A COUNTY, ANOTHER 1.3 MILLION IN THE BANK JUST BECAUSE WE, THAT WAS A PART OF THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED BACK IN 19, I BELIEVE WAS THE ORIGINAL.
SO THE POWER HALF, THAT'S TOTAL.
SO 2.4 OF OURS, 2.4 OF THE STATE.
PLUS WE AS A COUNTY DECIDED TO THROW IN, I BELIEVE ANOTHER 1.3.
WE'RE STILL, SO THAT BRINGS IT JUST SHY OF $6 MILLION.
WERE A LITTLE SHY ON THE TOTAL COST FROM THE MOST RECENT ESTIMATE.
I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE SPECIFICS WITH YOU FROM THE MOST RECENT ESTIMATE.
I DON'T HAVE THIS IN FRONT OFMY RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT THE, THE, THE ESTIMATE DID GO UP APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT.
THE ROUNDABOUT WENT UP ABOUT 30% BECAUSE THEY LOOKED AT IT USING THE NEW MICROSCOPES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT WITH EVERYTHING ACROSS THE REGION.
INFLATION MARKET CONDITIONS, SO ON.
SO DOES, SO DOES THEIR 50% DOES VS 50% MATCH UP AS WELL FOR THE STATES.
SO REVENUE SHARING IS A ONE-TIME APPLICATION.
SO WE ASKED FOR X AMOUNT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO REAPPLY FOR ANY MORE REVENUE SHARING FUNDS.
SO WE ASK FOR THE CURRENT COST ESTIMATE BACK IN 2019 OF JUST SHY $5 MILLION.
AND WE WERE AWARDED THAT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE COST HAD GONE UP.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT PROJECT SITS RIGHT NOW.
THAT EXTRA 1.1 WASN'T THAT OUR DECISION BECAUSE OF THE FANCY LIGHTS AND THE SIDEWALKS AND ALL THAT.
AND THAT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH IT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF BETTERMENTS BEING REQUESTED.
UM, AND THAT IS CURRENTLY BAKED INTO THE NEW ESTIMATE.
AND THE ESTIMATE IS STILL ABOVE WHAT IS TOTALLY ALLOCATED BOTH STATE AND LOCAL.
IT IS, I'D HAVE TO GET YOU THE SPECIFICS, BUT IT'S IN AND AROUND.
IT'S NORTH OF SIX AND A HALF MILLION I BELIEVE.
I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ALSO SHARE THAT BRAND NEW ESTIMATE AND, AND THE DETAILS.
WHAT WAS THAT? WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE 6.2, SO WE'RE ONLY OFF BY IT'S VERY SMALL AMOUNT.
RIGHT? IT IS CLOSER TO A MILLION DOLLARS.
I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL ESTIMATE THAT I GOT BACK FROM VDOT.
I, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT SPECIFICS, BUT IT IS CLOSER TO A MILLION DOLLAR SHORTFALL THEN.
SO WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR, YOU WANT ME TO, I CAN, I CAN READ YOU GUYS THE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU HAVE A MILLION BILL, THAT'D BE, THERE IS FOUR POINT, ABOUT 4.5 MILLION ALLOCATED TO THE EXTENSION PROJECT AND THE ESTIMATE IS SITTING AT 6.8.
SO THAT HAS A 2.3 MILLION GAP.
AND AS A, AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE EXTRA 1.1 0.3 THAT THE COUNTY DECIDED TO THROW IN AS A PART OF THE BETTERMENT'S TO KIND OF COVER WHAT WAS GONNA BE AN ANTICIPATED COST OVERRUN, I'M SURE.
BUT THE COST WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT BECAUSE OF, AGAIN, THEY LOOKED AT IT IN THE SAME LIGHT AS THEY DID THE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH IS WHY THE COST WENT UP ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT.
THAT'S WHAT THE REGION HAS SEEN.
SO IT'S ABOUT A ME ROUGHLY GIVE OR TAKE A MILLION DOLLAR DELTA.
UM, DEFINITION OF LOCALITY AND I THINK, UH, I'M STILL IN THE WINDOW TO ASK YOU THE QUESTIONS.
UM, IF WE FIND, DON'T DO THAT, IF WE FIND FUNDING SOURCES, LOCALITY MIGHT BE, IS LOCALITY A HUNDRED PERCENT TAX DOLLARS OR IF WE FIND MEANS TO FUND IT FROM A LOCAL SOURCE BECAUSE WE, WE CAN ATTRIBUTE NEED FOR ROAD PROJECTS DIRECTLY TO CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
SO REVENUE SHARING IS SORT OF UNIQUE IN THAT YOU CAN'T USE ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE TO COVER OUR 50%.
SO WE CAN'T APPLY FOR SMART SCALE FUNDS TO COVER OUR 50% OF THE LOCAL MATCH OF REVENUE SHARING.
THAT HAS TO BE A TRUE LOCAL DOLLAR.
NOW THERE ARE SOME OTHER LOCAL SOURCES AVAILABLE TO US FOR CBTA.
WE CAN USE THOSE TYPES OF FUNDS BECAUSE THEY ARE FOR LOCAL LOCALITIES TO USE ON TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS PRETTY BROADLY.
SO, I'M SORRY, ONE THING TO KNOW THIS PROFFERS COULD BE CONSIDERED LOCAL DOLLARS CORRECT.
AT WHEN THEY COME IN BECAUSE IT'S NOT A TAX AND IT'S A PROFFERED CONDITION.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE THINKING OF REVENUE SHARING.
SO THEN THE, MY QUESTION WOULD BE DO DO, ARE THERE OPTIONS BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH THAT WE WANT TO APPLY FOR THAT YOU NEED THIS BOARD TO AGREE TO, TO TO CLOSE THIS GAP TO GET THIS DONE? OR
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DO YOU NOT SEE THAT AS AN OPTION? AND WAITING TILL MARCH IS THE MOST PRUDENT? I BELIEVE WAITING TILL MARCH IS THE MOST PRUDENT THING TO DO.THERE ARE NO APPLICATION WINDOWS BETWEEN THAT WE COULD USE TO COVER THE REMAINDER BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH.
WE'RE NOT WHAT, HOW ABOUT DECISION POINTS IN TERMS OF LETTING LEE NOT KNOW THAT WE'RE CONTINUING WITH THE PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND THE PROJECT MANAGER, UM, I'VE TOLD HIM THAT IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S KIND OF BEEN A HOLDING PATTERN.
AND I KNOW WE HAD TOUCHED ON THIS UH, A FEW MONTHS AGO.
I KNOW AND MS. LASKI, YOU HAD BROUGHT THIS UP SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET THE FAIRGROUND ROAD STUDY DONE TO SEE IF WE COULD BETTER SPEND THOSE DOLLARS WE HAVE FOR THE EXTENSION ON A SAFETY PROJECT THAT IS PART OF THE EQUATION, WHICH I DO THINK IS THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO IS TO KIND OF HIT PAUSE BECAUSE THEY BOTH IMPACT FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, BUT IS ARE SAFETY NEEDS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE READ ABOUT BUT TO THE BOARD ARE SAFETY NEEDS ON THE CURRENT FAIRGROUNDS ROAD GONNA TAKE PRECEDENT OVER AN EXTENSION AND A NICE EXTENSION TO ROUND SIX IS IS GONNA BE THE QUESTION.
SO I THINK FOR THE EXTENSION TO REALLY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT, WE, WE MAY WANT TO WAIT ON THE STUDY TO BE FINALIZED AND REALLY REVIEW THOSE PROPOSALS AS FAR AS SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS OR CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS AND VDOT WE HAVE THE TIME OF VDOT IS LIKE NO DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE.
WE CAN CORRECT THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO DEADLINE IMMINENT THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE REVENUE SHARING FUNDING.
SO WE WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT.
BUT I'M SURE, AND PHILLIP PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I'M SURE WE COULD COULD WORK WITH VDOT TO, TO PUSH FUNDING IF TO, TO PUSH IT INTO ANOTHER FISCAL YEAR WITH REVENUE SHARING IF WE'RE KIND OF ON THE CUSP OF MAKING THAT DECISION.
BUT WHAT ABOUT IF THE FAIRGROUND ROAD, UM, STUDY MM-HMM.
UH, UM, SO IF WE DECIDE THAT THAT IS A MORE URGENT PROJECT, MORE IMPORTANT FOR SAFETY REASONS MM-HMM.
THE STATE HALF THE 50% THAT THEY'VE CONTRIBUTED, THE 2.3 WOULD WOULD BE, WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY LET IT EXPIRE IN THE REVENUE SHARING SYSTEM AND THEN COULD WE REAPPLY AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE STUDY ON HOW RIGHT, RIGHT.
WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS THEY SUGGEST.
UM, COULD WE THEN REAPPLY? WOULD THAT BE A REVENUE SHARING PROJECT? WOULD THAT BE A SMART SCALE PROJECT? WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT ANY AVENUES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US FOR THAT PROJECT.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'VE DONE REVENUE SHARING IN THE PAST.
WE HAVE TO NOW DO THAT MOVING FORWARD.
IF WE DON'T, IF WE NEED MORE MONEY, WE CAN LOOK AT SMART SCALE, WE CAN LOOK AT ANY OTHER SOURCE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US.
SO WE HAVE 3.7 ISH MONEY OF OUR MONEY SITTING HERE AND THAT CAN BE MOVED IF THE BOARD DECIDES THAT CAN BE MOVED TO ANYTHING FRANK, NOT EVEN TRANSPORTATION RELATED.
THAT CAN BE MOVED TO ANYTHING THE BOARDS EAST SPENT.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IF THIS STUDY IDENTIFIES SAFETY ISSUES MM-HMM.
WELL AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT VIDO WAS GONNA TOUCH ON A LITTLE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN REGARDS TO I THINK THE NEXT STATE SOURCE SWITCHES.
THE NEXT ONE, THE HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
THAT'S ONE WE HAVEN'T USED YET.
PUT THAT SAFE STREETS ONE WE ALREADY COVERED WITH THE FEDERAL AND THAT ONE COULD AS WELL.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY SEE WHAT THE PRO WHAT THE PROPOSALS ARE COMING OUT OF THE STUDY.
THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO RAISE THE FUNDING OFF OF THIS PROJECT.
I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND MY OPTIONS.
IF WE IDENTIFY SAFETY ISSUES, THEN THAT MIGHT OPEN UP OTHER BUCKETS THAT ARE TARGETED FOR SAFETY.
AND THAT'S CERTAIN CONSIDERATION.
WE, WE MAY LOOK AT JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, MAYBE FAIRGROUNDS, THE STUDY'S GONNA CALL FOR A FINAL ANSWER OF CENTERLINE RUMBLE SCRIPTS FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER.
LET'S, LET'S SAY THAT'S WHAT COMES OUT OF IT.
WE CAN TAKE THAT AND, AND RUN THROUGH EITHER ONE OF THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL SAFETY SOURCES.
AND, AND WE MAY NOT HAVE TO STRIP THE FUNDING.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL COME AS A PART OF, I DON'T KNOW IF THE MARCH WORKSHOP, WHEN WE GET INTO THE PROJECT SPECIFICS RUNNING THROUGH THE CIP P KIND OF CREATING THAT SIX YEAR PRIORITIZATION PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THAT WOULD INCLUDE STRIPPING MONEY FROM ONE THING TO ANOTHER.
I THINK WE KIND OF LOOK AT IT AT LEAST FROM A STAFF LEVEL.
SO WHERE ELSE CAN WE POTENTIALLY GET SOME MONEY FROM? BUT IF THE BOARD WANTS TO MAKE ANY ACTION, THEN FEEL FREE.
AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OF WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.
UM, NEXT QUESTION ON THE ATTENTION.
HAVE WE HAVE, WE EXPENDED MONEY, THERE'S BEEN ZERO MONEY OUT OF THAT ACCOUNT EXPENDED.
SO, SO THERE'S BEEN NO DESIGN PE WORK OR ANYTHING? THERE HAS BEEN SOME DONE, BUT THE TOTAL, WHO, WHAT WAS THAT? WHO HAS PAID FOR THAT? UH, WE HAVE TOM, I KNOW YOU, I WON'T TOUCH IN ON THAT.
THAT ACTUALLY THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH SOME, UM, SOME ALIGNMENT, A NEW, AND I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT, FOR THAT.
SO WE'VE SPENT SOME MONEY, BUT WE, SO CUZ WHERE, WHERE THIS QUESTION WAS LEADING WAS IF WE DECIDE TO FUNDING UP THE REMAINING DEFICIT
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MM-HMM.RIGHT? SO I WAS GONNA WONDER WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF LIKE, WE BITE THE BULLET AGAIN AND WE SAY LET'S PAY FOR IT HOW LONG TILL IT GETS TO ON THE STREET FOR BID.
SO IF WE, IF WE WERE TO COVER THE $1.1 MILLION DEFICIT TODAY, IF THAT WAS A BOARD DECISION AT THE NEXT HEARING IN JANUARY, THEN WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS ALLOW THE PROJECT TO GO THROUGH FULL ENGINEERING AND UH, GET TO BID.
SO THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COST TO GO UP AGAIN AT BID.
AS WE SAW WITH THE ROUNDABOUT.
HAVING SAID THAT VDO T'S NEW ESTIMATING TOOL COVERS A LOT OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE GETTING CAUGHT AT THE BID.
SO THERE ARE, IT'S A VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE NOW.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD BE SOMEWHAT CONFIDENT IN SAYING THAT THE ESTIMATE IS SOLID IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE'D SEE AT BID FOR THE EXTENSION PROJECT.
THIS IS A 2019 BID, I MEAN, NOT ESTIMATE.
NO, THE CURRENT 6.8 OR 6.9 MILLION ESTIMATE IS A 2022 ESTIMATE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT KEEPS SIGNING.
DIRECTLY SHARING APPLICATION FROM 2019 WAS OFF OF A 2019 ESTIMATE OF AROUND FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
WHY NEW PART WAS MY SON WANTED TO DO IN, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.
WE CAN PROBABLY SHORTEN THIS MEETING BY 15 OR 20 MINUTES.
IF WE ADD HERE'S THE TOP 10 PROJECTS.
HERE'S A COST, HERE'S THE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL MONEYS IDENTIFIED TO DATE.
IT'S EITHER HALF FUNDED, FULLY FUNDED, QUARTER FUNDED TO HIT THE STREET NEXT YEAR, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, 10 PROJECT WHERE FUNDED.
CAUSE A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE AROUND.
WELL, AND, AND THAT'S WAS SORT OF THE INTENT FOR THE MARCH WORKSHOP IS TO DO JUST THAT.
IT'S TAKE THE C CIP P AND RUN THROUGH WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS AND, AND WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS FAR AS PRIORITIES OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS FOR THE, FOR ALL THE APPLICATIONS CYCLE.
AND MARK, WE ASKED TO CONSIDER TAKING ACTION AND PRIORITIZING MAKING DECISIONS.
UM, AS FAR AS UPDATE MEETING THIS, JUST UPDATE HERE, PROJECT USUALLY STAND, MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S LITTLE, ANYWAY, JUST A THOUGHT.
SO THE HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, I'M GONNA TOUCH ON IT BRIEFLY AND I KNOW VIDOS GONNA CHIME IN ON, UM, HOW WE CAN SPECIFICALLY THIS PROGRAM, HOW THE FAIRGROUND ROAD STUDY MAY ACTUALLY, UM, WE, WE MAY ACTUALLY GET SOME FUNDING OUT OF FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
UM, THE CRITERIA HERE, THE PROJECT MUST IMPROVE SAFETY ON THE PUBLIC ROADS, UH, VIDE ADVANCES ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE THE GREATEST POTENTIAL TO REDUCE THE STATE'S ROADWAY FATALITIES AND SERIOUS INJURIES.
AND I KNOW ONE THING THE CORRIDOR STUDY LOOKED AT OFF AIR GROUND ROAD WAS SAFETY CRASHES WHERE PEOPLE WERE RUNNING OFF THE ROAD, WHICH I THINK WAS A BIG PART OF ANY SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE, WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, PHILLIP, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO KIND OF TOUCH ON WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
SO IF YOU GUYS BEAR WITH ME FOR JUST A SECOND, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE QUICK AND DIRTY, UM, HISTORY LESSON ON THE H SIP PROGRAM.
UM, ABOUT 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO, THIS PROGRAM WAS REALLY USED FOR SPOT IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
SO SPOT IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE A ROUNDABOUT AT, LET'S CALL IT FAIRGROUNDS IN FIVE TWENTY TWO OR, UM, A TURN LANE SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, UH, SPECIFIC LOCATION, UM, SOME KIND OF IMPROVEMENT TO, TO THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
THEN IN LAST, I THINK IN 2019, UM, WE HAD A, A CHANGE IN DIRECTION WHERE WE WERE ONLY USING H SIP FUNDS FOR SYSTEMIC IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THOSE SYSTEMIC IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED EIGHT DIFFERENT, UH, TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT WAS HIGH VISIBILITY, UM, BACK PLATES ON SIGNALS, UM, CENTERLINE RUMBLE STRIPS, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, FLASHING YELLOW ARROWS, UH, THAT, THAT KIND OF IMPROVEMENT.
THAT'S WHAT THE DIRECTION THAT WE WENT.
SO ALL OF THE MONEY WAS BEING FUNNELED INTO, UH, THE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THOSE, THOSE WERE ALL BEING, UM, COMPLETED WITH, UH, FOR THE MOST PART WITH, UH, ON-CALL CONSULTANTS.
SO THEN IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, THE DEPARTMENT KIND OF REALIZED THAT THERE WAS SOME EXCESS FUNDING, UM, IN THE H STEP POT.
AND SO WE ARE GOING BACK TO A, WHERE WE'RE RE REVIEWING, UH, POTENTIAL SPOT IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
UH, SO, UH, THE DISTRICT PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY SUBMITTED TO THE CENTRAL OFFICE, UH, WITH A COST ESTIMATE, UM, AND A IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE.
UH, SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED GUARDRAIL, UH, TEMPORARY ROUNDABOUTS, PERMANENT ROUNDABOUTS, UM,
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ITS TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENTS, ALL SORTS OF SIGNAL TIMINGS, UM, IMPROVEMENTS.UH, SO A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY SUBMITTED THAT.
AND THEN IT WILL BE SCORED BY THE CENTRAL OFFICE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DIVISION ON A BENEFIT BENEFIT COST RATIO.
AND THEN AFTER THE BC COMES OUT, THEY WILL ALLOCATE THAT MONEY TO THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
SO WHAT DOES FAIRGROUNDS HAVE TO DO WITH THAT? SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO SEE COME OUT OF FAIRGROUNDS INCLUDE, UM, CENTERLINE RUMBLES AND, UH, POTENTIAL GUARDRAIL AT CERTAIN LOCATIONS ROUNDABOUT, UH, POTENTIALLY SOME KIND OF IMPROVEMENT AT, UM, AT, UH, 6 32, AT 6 34.
UH, SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE LEG WORK OF WHAT TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS DOES FAIRGROUND NEED, AND THEN HOW DOES THAT FIT WITHIN SPOT IMPROVEMENTS OR EVEN, UM, THE SYSTEMIC IMPROVEMENTS IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE THAT, THAT PIECE IS STILL HAPPENING.
WE'RE JUST ADDING ANOTHER, ANOTHER PIECE TO THE PUZZLE OF H SIP, UM, WITH THE SPA IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, UM, THERE IS NO APPLICATION FOR, UH, HCI.
IT IS, UM, CONTROLLED BY THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DIVISION AT VDOT CENTRAL OFFICE.
AGAIN, THEY LOOK AT A BC RATIO TO HELP DETERMINE WHERE THAT FUNDING'S GONNA GO.
BUT ABSOLUTELY DOING THESE KIND OF STUDIES AND GETTING THE INPUT FROM THE BOARD IS INCREDIBLY HELPFUL TO DETERMINE WHERE THE PRIORITIES ARE, UH, AND WHAT WE NEED TO BE SUBMITTING AND, AND REALLY ADVOCATING FOR.
UH, SO HOPE, HOPEFULLY THAT KIND OF, UM, SHEDS SOME LIGHT ON THE H STEP PROGRAM, UM, AND, AND THE POSSIBILITIES, UH, FOR FUNDING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? INCREDIBLY HELPFUL.
IS THERE A TIMEFRAME FOR THESE APPLICATIONS? HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO, SO, SO THERE IS NO APPLICATION.
UM, THERE WAS A, LIKE I SAID, A LIST, UH, THAT WE DEVELOPED AND SUBMITTED TO OUR CENTRAL OFFICE.
UM, WE DID THAT PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO.
UM, SO THERE, THERE IS NO REAL DEADLINE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO THESE KIND OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS KIND OF STUDY IN OUR BACK POCKET OF, UH, YOU KNOW, A GAMUT OF IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR, IT'S JUST REALLY HELPFUL TO DETERMINE THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE ON THE LIST, UH, AND, AND SUBMIT TO THE CENTRAL OFFICE.
AND, AND I WILL ADD ONE PIECE.
UH, I MENTIONED GUARDRAIL,
SO I THREW IT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS, AS A GOOD SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
BUT, UM, WHETHER IT DOESN'T SCORE WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE REASONING BEHIND THOSE AREN'T GETTING FUNDED, BUT, UM, WE HAVE NOT SEEN TO BE INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL, MR. BARN.
UM, SO I WOULD, MIGHT NOT BE OBVIOUSLY.
UM, IS THIS A HUNDRED PERCENT REACTIVE? IS THERE, IF, IF WE ENVISION A PROJECT TO COME THAT INVOLVES OUR ROADS, ROUNDABOUT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT, UM, WOULD BE A PART OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST, CAN WE REACH OUT AND SAY, THIS IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE EXPECT TO SEE AND THIS THOROUGHFARE EVERY SINGLE DAY, THIS IS WHAT WE DO.
IT DOESN'T, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S TOTALLY REACTIVE AND THEN SECONDLY, I HOPE SOMEONE WILL SEND THAT LAST BULLET POINT TO THE GOVERNOR'S ADMINISTRATION.
CAUSE WE GET PENALIZED FOR BEING TOO SAFE IN MANY WAYS.
UM, AND TRANSPORTATION AS A WHOLE, FUNDING IS GENERALLY MORE REACTIVE THAN IT IS PROACTIVE.
AND THAT'S A GENERAL SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION FOR STAFF POLICY MAKERS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
I THINK THAT HAVING THESE TYPES OF STUDIES, LIKE WE'RE DOING ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD IS AS PROACTIVE AS WE CAN POSSIBLY BE BECAUSE WE SAY, HEY, YEAH, WE'VE HAD ISSUES HERE IN THE PAST.
MAYBE IT'S A SPOT WHERE THERE HASN'T BEEN A FATALITY.
WE REALLY WANT TO PREVENT THAT.
SO LET, OUR JOB AS STAFF IS TO WORK WITH OUR RESIDENCY IN THE DISTRICT TO PRIORITIZE A PROJECT ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD THAT MIGHT COME OUT OF THE STUDY THAT, HEY, LOOK, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF BAD CRASHES HERE.
BUT WE REALLY WANT TO PREVENT THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S ABOUT REALLY COORDINATING.
IT GOES BACK TO THE COLLABORATION THAT WE JUST NEED TO WALK HAND IN HAND WITH OUR RESIDENCY CAUSE THEY'RE OUR BEST ADVOCATE FOR THE STATE TO BE ABLE TO GET THINGS PRIORITIZED.
SO THE STATE OF GOOD REPAIR, WHICH WE KIND OF TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, IS, FOR US IT'S REALLY ABOUT GETTING BRIDGES FUNDED THAT ARE WHAT'S CALLED STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
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HAVE QUITE A FEW BRIDGES IN THIS COUNTY.WE HAVE 31 THAT ARE LISTED AS EITHER POOR OR CUSTOM CONDITION.
SO THEY'RE ALMOST THERE TO STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT QUITE THERE.
UM, ONE THING TO NOTE IS THAT THE BRIDGES IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THIS SOURCE OF MONEY, HAVE TO BE ON THE NATIONAL BRIDGE INVENTORY AND NOT ALL OF OUR BRIDGES ARE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT.
AND JUST LIKE H SIP, THIS IS NO APPLICATION WINDOW.
THIS IS A LOT OF COORDINATION.
ONCE THERE'S INSPECTIONS DONE, ESPECIALLY ON OUR POOR AND CUSP BRIDGES, THE INSPECTIONS HAPPEN, I BELIEVE YEARLY.
UH, WHITEHALL ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE, GOING OVER WHITEHALL CREEK IS ONE THAT JUST HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY OF 2022.
I BELIEVE TASCO ROAD HAD A BRIDGE DONE IN 2022.
THOSE ARE BOTH, I BELIEVE, POOR CONDITION BRIDGES.
SO THEY'LL BE REINSPECTED VERY FREQUENTLY.
AND AS SOON AS THE CONDITION CHANGES, STAFF WILL KNOW, VDOT WILL KNOW, AND WE'LL WORK TOGETHER TO GET THAT PRIORITIZED ON A LIST FOR SGR FUNDING.
IS CUSP WORSE THAN, THAN, THAN POOR.
SO, AND THIS IS PERFECT SEGUE, JUMP IN.
UM, SO THERE ARE TWO BRIDGES, AND I SAY BRIDGES.
THERE ARE TWO STRUCTURES IN
THE FIRST ONE IS AUSTIN MENTIONED PAT'S GOT, THAT IS ACTUALLY A CULVERT, I THINK IT'S A BOX CULVERT.
UM, THAT ONE IS CONSIDERED STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS ACTUALLY WHITE HALL ROAD.
UM, WHICH I KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN INSPECTION DONE AND IT SHOWED THAT IT WAS IN POOR CONDITION AND THAT IT WAS NOT STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
THAT, UM, THAT REPORT UPDATED AUSTIN, I'M GONNA SEND YOU AN UPDATED VERSION OF THAT REPORT.
UM, BUT THAT STRUCTURE IS IN FACT STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
SO WHAT WE DO IS EVERY YEAR WE PUT A LIST TOGETHER SIMILAR TO THE H SHIP PROGRAM, BUT WE PUT A LIST OF THE BRIDGES AND OR STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT OUR DISTRICT, UM, THAT ARE CONSIDERED STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
AND WE SUBMIT THAT TO OUR CENTRAL OFFICE WITH OUR, UM, ESTIMATED REPAIR COST AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TO GET IT OFF OF THE STRUCTURED DEFICIENT LIST.
UH, AT THAT POINT, THE, UH, LOCAL, OR SORRY, THE LOCALITY, THE CENTRAL OFFICE, UH, REVIEWS OUR LIST AND THEY D OUT, UM, SGR STATE OF GOOD REPAIR FUNDS, UM, TO THE DISTRICTS TO FUND THOSE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
UH, SO WHAT I WILL SAY IS, UM, THE FIRST ONE TAB, SCOTT WAS ON THAT LIST AND IT WAS REQUESTED FOR UPCOMING FUNDING OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS.
UH, THEY COULD, WITH IT BEING IN A BOX FOLDER, THEY'LL EITHER BE SLEEVED OR IT'LL BE REPLACED IN KIND.
UM, BUT WHAT WAS NOT ON THERE WAS WHITEHAWK.
AND, UM, I AM ACTUALLY WORKING ON GETTING THAT LIST UPDATED SO THAT IT, IT MAKES IT ON THE REQUEST FOR FUNDING BECAUSE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THERE.
BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP A BETTER EYE ON IT.
AND TO ANSWER YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, AUSTIN MM-HMM.
UM, FOUR, FOUR MEANS THAT ONE OF THE THREE CATEGORIES, UM, SO IT'S YOU SUB-STRUCTURE YOUR SUPERSTRUCTURE IN YOUR DECK.
ONE OF THOSE IS CONSIDERED A FOUR.
IT'S SAY SCORING OF ZERO TO NINE, NINE BEING EXCELLENT, ZERO BEING FAIL.
UM, FOUR IS CONSIDERED A FOUR AND THAT MEANS IT IS OFFICIALLY STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
SO, UH, A BRIDGE COULD HAVE A NINE IN TWO OF THE CATEGORIES AND BE A FOUR AND THIRD AND IT WILL BE CONSIDERED STRUCTURALLY.
YEAH, MAYBE IT'S A SIDE CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE LATER, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE WAIT LIMIT THE BRIDGE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AS FAR AS IT'S IT'S CATEGORY OR STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT OR NOT? AND I CAN COME BACK TO YOU.
YEAH, WE CAN HAVE A SIDEBAR DISCUSSION ON THAT, BUT I KNOW WEIGHT LIMITS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH, I GUESS THE DEFICIENCY OR THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
IT'S, IT'S ABOUT THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, THE GROUND IT SITS ON WHITE HALL ROAD IN PARTICULAR.
SO EVEN IF IT WAS THE BEST, BEST BUILT BRIDGE IN THE WORLD, IT'S SITTING ON SUSPECT SOIL.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT BRIDGE IN PARTICULAR HAS A WEIGHT LIMIT.
AND I'M PARTICULARLY, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT OAK CARME ROAD, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT CAUSES FIRE RIDGES TO GO LIKE FIVE MILES.
WE'VE GOT THREE, AND WE'VE TOUCHED ON THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT WE'VE GOT THREE BRIDGES.
I THINK WE HAVE FIVE TOTAL WEIGHT LIMIT.
THREE OF THEM REALLY IMPACT FIRE RESPONSE TIME.
YES, THE TAP GUYS, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
UM, IT'S OLD COLUMBIA AND WHITE HAUL OR I THINK THERE'S ALSO ONE ON HASKINS THAT MAY BE ALSO A PROBLEM.
SO THERE'S THREE OR FOUR THAT REALLY IMPACT FIRE RESPONSE TIMES AND WHETHER ONCE THEY GET TO A POINT OF SDR STAFF AND VDOT, WE'RE GONNA PUSH FOR THAT TO BE INCLUDED ON ANY FUNDING LIST AND REQUEST TO BE REPLACED OR SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED TO, TO BE DETERMINED IF
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THOSE IMPROVEMENTS MAKE IT NO LONGER WEIGHT LIMITED.IT'S, IT, IT'S KIND OF HOW THEY INTEND ON TAKING IT OFF THE STRUCTURE OF THE DEFICIENT.
SO SHORT VERSION IS SGR FUNDS CANNOT BE USED TO HELP US GET A BRIDGE TO INCREASE WEIGHT CAPACITY FOR LIKE A FIRE, THE FIRE TRUCK CAN FOR SAFETY.
FIRETRUCK CAN'T CROSS THIS BRIDGE BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHT LIMITS.
AT OUR LAST MEETING WITH UM, PHILLIP, SOME OTHER FOLKS AT VIDO AND DALE TODD WHO'S THE ACTING, UM, DISTRICT ENGINEER, HE'S, HE'S NOW THE DISTRICT.
IS HE ACTUALLY FIRM FORMALLY THE DISTRICT ENGINEER.
UM, SO WHEN WE MET WITH HIM, I HAD BROUGHT UP THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY AND CUZ IT, I HAD HEARD THINK THROUGH A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT.
WE WERE THINKING ABOUT WORKING WHEN WE WERE STUDYING THE WEIGHT LIMIT BRIDGES OR LOOKING TO STUDY THEM ABOUT ARE THEY REALLY WEIGHT LIMIT OR, OR IS THE WEIGHT LIMIT OF ALOFT.
UM, I HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION TO HIM AND IT, IT SEEMS THAT IF THE BRIDGE, THEY WON'T REPLACE IT IN KIND, I DON'T BELIEVE.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WHITE HALL SPECIFICALLY IS A TIMBER BUILT AND THEY REALLY DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE.
SO SGR FUNDS IN THAT SPECIFIC CASE MAY MAKE IT NO LONGER WEIGHT LIMITED, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY THE INTENT OF THEM IS TO BRING A WEIGHT LIMIT BRIDGE UP.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK IT MIGHT BE A HAPPY COINCIDENCE AND A CIRCUMSTANCE OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO 1, 1, 1 PIECE I'LL JUST ADD, UM, WHEN A GROUP STARTS BECOME STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT, WE DO AN ANNUAL INSPECTION.
SO IT GOES FROM MAYBE EVERY OTHER YEAR TO EVERY YEAR, UH, IN IF, UM, SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, WE CAN DO WITH STATE FORCES TO, UH, KICK THE BRIDGE OFF OF A DEFICIENT LIST.
SO JUST BECAUSE IT BECOMES DEFICIENT DOESN'T DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT IS AUTOMATICALLY BEING, UM, CONSIDERED FOR REPLACEMENT.
IT MIGHT BE THERE'S JUST AN ISSUE WITH THE DEBT THAT, UM, WE CAN REPAIR WITH MAINTENANCE FUNDS AND GET IT BACK TO AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL WHERE IT'S NOT DEFICIENT ANY LONGER.
UM, SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT AS A CAVEAT THAT SOON AS IT BECOMES STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S AUTOMATICALLY GETTING REPLACEMENT FUNDS TO BRING THE BRIDGE UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS.
UM, AND, AND CURRENT WEIGHT RESTRICTION REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO, AND, AND I DO APOLOGIZE, I MIGHT, I'M GONNA HAVE TO STEP OUT FOR A FEW MINUTES.
I GOT A A NINE ONE ONE CALL SO I GOTTA TAKE A BREAK, BUT, UM, I WILL BE BACK IN A FEW MINUTES IF I ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THANKS.
THE UM, ONE OF THE LAST STATE FUNDINGS WE'RE GONNA TOUCH ON IS THE SIX YEAR IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
SO ANY PROJECT THAT HAS FUNDING ATTACHED TO IT, REGARDLESS OF THE SOURCE GOES ON VDOT SIX YEAR IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO KIND OF TRACK THAT FUNDING AND EXPENDITURE AND SO ON.
UM, WE DO RECEIVE FUNDS ALLOCATED DIRECTLY TO BLAND COUNTY IN THE SIX YEAR PLAN FOR REALLY SMALL PROJECTS.
RURAL RUSTIC BEING ONE OF THEM WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING BEN LAMONT.
NOW GOLAN GETS A VERY SMALL CHUNK OF MONEY ADDED TO OUR LITTLE RURAL RUSTIC POT EVERY YEAR.
AND ONCE WE GET ENOUGH IN THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL TACKLE ONE OF THE RURAL RUSTIC ROADS THAT NEEDS PAVING.
WE'RE REALLY JUST DOWN TO THE ONE.
SO THEN IT'S, WE'LL HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CAN WE MOVE THAT MONEY AROUND.
BUT SO THAT'S AN AVENUE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BRING A LOT OF OUR GRAVEL ROADS UP TO PAVING SPEC IS THAT ONE.
SO HERNDON THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I'M ABOUT TO TOUCH ON RIGHT HERE.
UH, WE ALSO GET LITTLE BITS OF MONEY EVERY YEAR INTO OUR RURAL EDITION PROGRAM.
WHICH IS, IT'S TO BRING PRIVATE ROADS INTO THE STATE SYSTEM.
THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS THAT HAS TO FOLLOW THROUGH.
BUT I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THAT CITIZEN IN PARTICULAR ABOUT THAT PROCESS.
IT'S, IT'S RATHER LENGTHY, BUT HE SEEMS TO GAME FOUR FOR THAT PROCESS.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY THE SECOND REQUEST I'VE GOTTEN IN A MONTH FOR, TO GO THROUGH THE RURAL EDITION PROCESS.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF LIMITATIONS ON IT.
WE ONLY GET SO MUCH, WE CAN'T BRING A REALLY LONG PRIVATE ROAD INTO THE SYSTEM OR IMPROVE IT TO A POINT WHERE IT'S THE TAMA HALL OF ROADS BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY SPEND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OUR, WE CAN ONLY ADD A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OUR TOTAL MILEAGE AND WE CAN ONLY SPEND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OUR TOTAL MAINTENANCE ALLOCATION THAT WE GET, UM, AS A COUNTY.
SO WE CAN'T ALL OF A SUDDEN IN ONE YEAR DECIDE TO BRING ALL OF OUR ROADS INTO THE STATE SYSTEM BECAUSE IT WOULD EXCEED SOME OF THOSE CRITERIA.
I DON'T, THE TWO CASES I'VE GOTTEN IN CONTACT WITH, I DON'T KNOW IF BOTH OF 'EM COMBINED WOULD KICK US OVER ONE OF THESE.
THAT'S SOMETHING I NEED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE 1.25% OF THE COUNTY MILEAGE, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE LESS THAN WE THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE TOTAL MILEAGE THAT WE MAY BE ADDING.
CUZ HERMAN'S GOT SOME LENGTH AS WELL AS THE OTHER ROAD THAT ESCAPES ME NOW, THE NAME OF IT.
BUT, WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AS FAR AS THOSE ASKS EVERY YEAR.
AND SO THERE MAY BE PRIORITIZATION NEEDED FROM THE BOARD.
WHICH ONE DO WE TACKLE FIRST AND WHICH ONE NEXT? DO WE INCLUDE THE INTERSTATE DEPARTMENT IN
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE TOTAL MILEAGE OF THE SECONDARY SYSTEM, BUT I WILL CONFIRM THAT.
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ON REGIONAL FUNDING SOURCES, UM, THERE'S REALLY TWO THAT WE UTILIZE REALLY FREQUENTLY AND I THINK THERE'S REALLY ONLY THE TWO THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US.IF TPO AND THE CBTA, UM, REGIONAL BODIES ADMINISTER THEIR OWN FUNDS AS WELL AS THEY ADMINISTER FEDERAL FUNDS GIVEN TO THEM.
UH, THE TPO REALLY ADMINISTERS FEDERAL PROJECTS, WHETHER IT BE THE RST, BG PROGRAM OR CMAC.
THOSE ARE ALL FEDERAL DOLLARS, BUT THEY'RE ADMINISTERED REGIONALLY AND CBTA IS STRICTLY ADMINISTERING THEIR OWN FUNDS.
SO IT'S STRICTLY REGIONAL FUNDS STAND WITHIN THE REGION.
THE TPO HAS THE TWO PROGRAMS THAT I JUST TOUCHED ON.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE REGIONAL SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BLOCK GRANT.
IT'S REALLY FLEXIBLE FUNDING FOR ANY KIND OF TRANSPORTATION PROJECT.
THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE REAL CAVEATS.
IT MUST BE LOCATED WITHIN THE MPO BOUNDARY AND IT MUST BE LOCATED WHAT'S ON THE FEDERAL AID HIGHWAY SYSTEM, WHICH REALLY TAKES CARE OF ALL OF OUR PRIMARY ARTERIAL ROUTES, ANY INTERSTATE PROJECT, UH, RAMPS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT SO MUCH GEARED TOWARDS A LOT OF SECONDARY ROADS.
UH, POCKET ROAD REALIGNMENT IS THE ONLY ONE WHO'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THIS ONE IN, IN THE NEAR.
UM, BUT THAT'S ELIGIBLE BECAUSE IT'S ON BROAD STREET, IT'S ON ONE OF OUR PRIMARY ROADS.
UM, THE SECOND, LEMME GET THE, THERE WE GO.
THE TPL ALSO HAS THE CMAC, UH, CONGESTION MITIGATION AND AIR QUALITY PROJECTS MUST BE WHAT'S IN CALLED WHAT'S IN THE, UH, EIGHT HOUR OZONE NON-ATTAINMENT AREA.
AND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY LAID OUT IN FEDERAL CODE.
WE CURRENTLY, NO PART GLAND COUNTY FALLS WITHIN THAT.
IT STOPS AT THE COUNTY LINE WITHIN RCO.
SO GLAND COUNTY WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR ANY CMAC FUNDS UNTIL A PORTION OF THAT OUR COUNTY GETS IN WITH GETS WITHIN THAT EIGHT HOUR OZONE AREA.
I, I SAY THAT'S NOT SOMETHING'S, CERTAINLY THAT'S A GOAL.
THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT A GOAL WE GO.
SO THE TPO ALSO ADMINISTERS THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES PROGRAM, WHICH WE WENT THROUGH FOR THE EAST END TRAIL.
WE HAD SOME FUNDING ATTACHED TO THAT PROJECT FOR TAP.
UH, IT'S FOR ON AND OFF-ROAD PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FACILITIES, IMPROVING NON-DRIVER ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND ENHANCING MOBILITY.
UM, I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE EAST END TRAIL A LOT IN THE PAST AND THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT WE UTILIZED TAP FUNDS IF WE CHOOSE TO IN THE FUTURE.
I KNOW IN ONE OF THE SMALL AREA DRAFT PLANS CURRENTLY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A COURTHOUSE CREEK TRAIL WALKING THROUGH THE FLOODPLAIN HERE.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PURSUE TAP FUNDS FOR.
WE'VE GOT OTHER AVENUES FOR BIKE PET FACILITIES, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT'S SPECIFICALLY BIKE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE A LOT OF SPOTTY SIDEWALKS IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
THIS WOULD BE AN AVENUE WE COULD COMPLETE THOSE SIDEWALKS IF WE SO CHOSE, CUZ THAT'S A BIKE PET FACILITY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EXPLORE AS WELL.
CAN WE LOCALLY ADMIN LOCALLY ADMINISTER A PROJECT THAT COMES WITH TAPON? YES.
WE WERE LOCALLY ADMINISTERING THE EASTERN TRAIL PROJECT.
UM, SO WE CAN REQUEST FEEDBACK TO ADMINISTRATORS OR WE CAN LOCALLY ADMINISTER THEM.
UM, THE ONLY CAVEAT FOR THE EXTENSION PARAGRAPH ROAD EXTENSION, NO, THE ADDITIONAL MONEY, THE 1.213 WAS FOR THE, THE FANCY, THE BETTER THE AND THE SIDEWALKS.
COULD THAT, I WOULD HAVE TO DIG INTO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF A BIKE P FACILITY THAT'S A PART OF AN THE SIDEWALKS, THAT'S A, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE FACILITIES, BECAUSE THEY'RE A PART OF ANOTHER LINEAR PROJECT, A ROAD EXTENSION IF THEY COULD BE SEPARATED IN THAT REGARD.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO AND GET YOU AN ANSWER ON THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND ONE OF THE CAVEATS WITH TAP FUNDS, UM, ONE OF THE CAVEATS IS THERE IS A 20% LOCAL MATCH REQUIRED.
SO ANY, WELL WE'RE DOING A HUNDRED PERCENT NOW
UH, THE OTHER REGIONAL SOURCE IS THE CBTA, THE CENTRAL REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.
SO THE FUNDING FROM THAT COMES FROM LOCAL AND REGIONAL.
UM, THE CBTA COLLECTS TAXES ON GAS AND SALES TAX IN THE REGION.
UH, PERCENTAGES AND, AND THE AMOUNTS ARE SHOWN THERE.
THE CBTA ADMINISTER IS REALLY TWO POOLS OF FUNDS.
THE REGIONAL FUNDS, WHICH IS A COMPETITIVE PROCESS, APPLICATION PROCESS TO GET AWARDED THOSE FUNDS.
AND THEN ALSO THE LOCAL FUNDS, THE REGIONAL FUNDS ARE 35% OF THE TOTAL ALLOCATION THROUGH THE CBTA AND THEY'RE AWARDED TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, CATEGORIES.
IT'S HIGHWAY BRIDGE, MIKE PET STUDIES, AND THEN ENGINEERING ONLY.
I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE THREE THERE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT WE'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IN THE PAST HIGHWAY STUDIES.
AND THEN ENGINEERING ONLY HERE WE GO.
SO HIGHWAY, THE CURRENT CRITERIA IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT'S GOTTA BE ON A UNLIMITED ACCESS ROADWAY, WHICH IS I E OR INTERSTATES ARE FREEWAYS.
SO ROUTE 2 88 AND 64 IN GOLAND.
ANY EXISTING OR PROPOSED ROADS THAT WILL HAVE DAILY TRIPS,
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20,000 VEHICLES, WHICH IS QUITE A LOT.AND FOUR, IT'S GOTTA BE LOCATED ON THE FLORIDA CORRIDOR OF STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE.
SO IN THIS COUNTY WE HAVE ALL OF BROAD STREET AND THAT ROUTE SIX FROM THE COUNTY LINE TO WEST CREEK PARKWAY.
THOSE ARE OUR TWO CORRIDORS OR STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE.
SO ANY PROJECT ON THOSE CORRIDORS IN THOSE AREAS WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE ELIGIBLE UNDER THE CURRENT CBT.
FOR BROAD STREET IT'S COUNTY LINE TO COUNTY LINE.
AND THEN FOR ROUTE SIX IT'S THE HENRICO COUNTY LINE TO WESTBURY PARKWAY.
THE REST OF ROUTE SIX IS NOT WHAT'S CALLED CORRIDOR STATE BROADWAY OR SOMETHING.
AND IT'S NOT ALSO ON THE AREA OF OR ARTERIAL PRESERVATION NETWORK.
IT'S THE SAME SECTIONS FOR US AS WELL.
UM, THERE MAY BE, I'M HOPING THAT WE GET SOME REVISED CRITERIA OUT OF THE CBTA TO EXPAND OUR ELIGIBILITY AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER SMALL LOCALITIES.
UM, THE THOUGHT IS WE KEEP ALL THE ADDITIONAL, OR EXCUSE ME, ALL THE EXISTING CRITERIA FOR SOME OF THE BIGGER LOCALITIES WHILE HAVING A FEW CAVEAT CARVE OUTS FOR THE SMALL LOCALITIES THAT FRANKLY WE JUST WON'T REACH 20,000 VEHICLE TODAY.
THE ONLY SECTIONS OF OUR ROADS THAT HAVE THAT VOLUME IS BROAD STREET FROM 2 88 AND REPO.
AND THEN WE'RE ROUTE SIX FROM 2 88 TO HENRICO.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO VERY SHORT SECTIONS OF OUR ROADS THAT EVEN HIT THAT THRESHOLD.
SO OUR GOAL IS REALLY TO INCREASE OUR ELIGIBILITY STAFF'S GOAL IS TO, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S ASHLAND ROAD, POTENTIALLY VILLE ROAD, FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
WE CAN GET AT US 5 22 FROM END TO END.
SO THOSE ARE THE GOALS THAT WE'RE KIND OF WORKING TOWARDS CURRENTLY.
HOW'S THAT GOING? I THINK VERY WELL RIGHT NOW IT STANDS AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A SIDEBAR KIND OF UPDATE WITH, WITH ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS IF, IF THAT'S DESIRED ON WHERE THAT'S GONNA STAND BEFORE IT GETS ADOPTED IN CASE THERE'S ANY FEEDBACK.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S HOPEFULLY NOT EXPANDING ANY RULES FOR THE, I'LL SAY INTERNAL TO THE BELTWAY COMMUNITIES, YOUR JUST FUEL RICHMOND AND HEICO AND SO ON.
I I I THINK GLAND I THINK WILL COME OUT AHEAD WITHOUT ALLOWING HEICO TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GET, GET AWAY WITH MURDER
SO, SO YOU UNDER THE CATEGORY OR THE HEADING OF C BT A MM-HMM.
BUT MIGHT IT, MIGHT IT EXPAND THE DEFINITION OF REGIONAL FREEDOM PURPOSES? AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO WANNA KEEP YOU AT, IF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WISH TO, WISH TO I GUESS REVIEW THEIR DEFINITION OF REGIONAL, UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION.
I KNOW THIS DEFINITION ONLY SPECIFICALLY IMPACTS CBTA FOR 35% BECAUSE THIS IS PURELY MONEY.
THIS IS CBTA, THIS IS JUST THE CHECK BOXES ON APPLICATION GRAPHIC DEFINITION, WHICH WAS YES, IN THE REGION.
SO THE NEW CRITERIA WILL JUST BE CHECK BOXES ON AN APPLICATION FOR CDT FUNDS ONLY.
UM, SO TODAY WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE WITH CBT AND REGIONAL FUNDS.
WE'VE RECEIVED 38.1 MILLION THUS FAR.
UH, CHUNK OF CHANGE FOR THE DDI OF 33.7 MILLION.
UM, SOME ANTICIPATED COST OVERRUNS AT OLDVILLE.
AND THEN, UH, A FEW DOLLARS ON THE, UH, ROUTE 2 88 SOUTHBOUND HARD SHOULDER RUNNING LANE PROJECT, WHICH WE HOPE WILL EXPAND THE, UM, CAPACITY AND THE TRAFFIC AND THE WESTBURY AREA.
WHEN, WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT GETS FULLY DEVELOPED, UH, YOU, US MM-HMM.
VDOT DID, RIGHT? IT IS IN GUIN HOW MUCH? SO WE'RE CLOSE TO ABOUT 50 MILLION.
SO IF WE ADD IN THE VDO 8 MILLION AWARD THAT THEY BROUGHT TO THE TABLE THEMSELVES, PLUS THE OTHER 8 MILLION, THEY'VE ASKED FOR THE CBTA ADD 16 TO THAT.
SO WE'RE NORTH OF 50 MILLION FOR UCHIN PROJECTS WITHIN THE COUNTY.
AND THE REASON I WANT TO BRING THIS UP, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHILE WE OFTEN ARE ON THE SHORT END OF THE STICK AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE AWARDED THROUGH SOME OF THESE REGIONAL UH, ENTITIES, OUR CONTRIBUTION IS TO DATE HAS BEEN ABOUT 2 MILLION FOR THAT 35% POOL.
AND WE'RE GETTING BACK CLOSE TO 50.
SO MY PERSONAL INVESTMENTS DON'T WORK THAT WELL.
SO WE HAVE BEEN, THE REGION HAS TREATED LEWIS COUNTY VERY WELL.
UH, AND SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CALL THAT OUT AND APPRECIATE THAT.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
BEFORE YOU LEAVE, WE, WE WERE, I'M SORRY JEFF.
CAUSE WE, THIS WAS LAUNCHED, WE SAID WE'RE JUST GONNA BE A DONOR COUNTY.
AND THAT'S THE GOAL MOVING FORWARD IS TO KEEP THAT TRAFFIC RECORD GOING WHERE EVERY, EVERY CYCLE WE'RE, I HOPE TO BE JUST AS SUCCESSFUL WITH GETTING A LOT OF MONEY DIRECT ON YOUR SHOULDERS BEFORE TALKED ABOUT THE C THEN OF COURSE THERE'S 15% TRANS FOR TRANSIT.
WELL THAT'S, YOU SAID TRANSIT SPECIFICALLY GOES TO GTCC.
SO, UM, JUST GIVE US A, GIVE US A MINUTE ON ON WHERE YOU ARE ON, ON THE MICROT TRANSITS.
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TRANSIT, WHAT SHOULD OUR ROLE BE IN? SO RIGHT NOW IT'S BEEN VERY LITTLE INFORMATION FROM VDOT ON MICROT TRANSITS.UM, THE STUDY, THE PRESENTATION THAT I KNOW THEY'RE SLATED TO GIVE, I THINK IN THE NEAR FUTURE IS ABOUT, THEY'RE UNDERGOING KIND OF A STUDY.
AND I, IT WAS TWO TECH MEETINGS AGO WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY EXPANDING.
I CAN, BECAUSE I WAS, YEAH, LET ME JUST FINISH THAT REAL QUICK.
THE, THERE MIGHT BE FULL GTCS LOOKING AT ACTUALLY EXPANDING FULL ACCESS WITH LINES AS FAR WEST AS, UM, ON BROAD STREET ONTO, UM, WILKES RIDGE.
SO IT MAY BE COMING AS FAR WEST AS 2 88.
THE PULSE SYSTEMS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNDERTAKING THAT.
IF YOU WANNA TOUCH ON MICRO TRANSIT SPECIFICALLY, THAT'S NOT THE MICRO, NO.
SO MICRO TRANSIT, THEY'VE GOT FIVE LOCALITIES.
THEY'RE GONNA DO WHAT THEY'RE CALLING LIKE A ROUND ONE PHASE.
AND THEN LOOKING, UH, WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE INCLUDED IN THE ROUND TWO PHASE OF POTENTIAL STUDY, UH, REALLY KIND OF LOOKING AT SMALL VEHICLES, MORE CALL AND RIDE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.
NOT SETTING BUSES OUT HERE, BUT KIND OF LIKE, ALMOST LIKE AN UBER AVERAGE PRICE IS ABOUT $6.
UH, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY NARROWLY DEFINED OR OBVIOUS REASONS, UH, AS FAR AS WHERE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE.
BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE SECOND ROUND OF THAT.
THAT WAS JUST, THAT JUST CAME OUT FRIDAY IN THE CBT.
SO WHEN YOU SAY STUDIES ARE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT DEMAND AND THESE POCKETS? YEAH.
SO THEY'RE GONNA ROLL OUT AND SEE, OKAY, WHO'S USING IT, WHO'S NOT.
SO THEY'RE GONNA FIND OUT DEMAND BY ROLLING OUT THE PROGRAM AND SEE IF ANYBODY USED, IF THEY TELL ABOUT IT.
SO WHERE WE, WE NEED TO LET FOLKS DOWN.
UM, THIS GOES BACK TO THE LOCALITIES NOT HAVING TRANSPORTATION SAID EARLIER.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE LOCALITIES, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE BOARD SUPERVISORS AND MEMBERS OF THE LOCALITIES HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WE SAW FROM THE G RTC.
AND SO PART OF ME, AFTER SEEING THE PRESENTATION AT THE TPO WANTS TO JUST SAY, STOP, STOP.
AND YOU TOLD ME SOMETHING I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT $6 WHEN THEY PRESENTED TO US, THEY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THEY SAID.
WE ALL KNOW WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT THEY DID SAY THAT WE WANNA BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO THEN OUR NEXT QUESTION IS LIKE, WELL HOW ABOUT SUCCESS? HOW DOES THAT WORK MONETARILY IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE CHARGING OR WHETHER YOU'RE CHARGING IT? WELL, AND THEN THEY GO BACK, WELL, IT'S JUST A LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO THEN MY CAR WITH LEVEL OF SERVICE IS THAT DEMAND, IS THAT RIDERSHIP? YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING JUST MAKES MY HEAD IS COLD, BUT
BUT I, I DO THINK THAT THERE IS, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, NO TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENTS IN SOME OF THESE SMALLER COUNTIES, AND THEN I LISTEN TO BOARD MEMBERS EXPRESSING CONCERN.
I WONDER IF THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT GRTC IS DOING AND WHAT THE COUNTY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANT OR DON'T WANT TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL CONTRIBUTING COUNTIES TO G RTC NOW BASED ON CBT FUNDING.
15% OF THAT TAX GOES TO G RTC.
WE HAVE NO SERVICES AND WE HAVE NO REPRESENTATION OR FUNDING ON THE BOARD OF G RTC.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL IS REALLY GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE LOCAL, THESE RURAL LOCALITIES, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY TRANSIT.
SO I APPRECIATE THEM WANTING TO BRING SOMETHING, BUT IT SEEMS HALF BAKED TO ME.
IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ACTUAL NEED.
THAT DOESN'T TALK TO LOCALS ABOUT, WELL YOU TALKED ABOUT THEY DID STUDIES.
SO, BUT, BUT I DOESN'T ADDRESS THESE, TALK TO THREE PEOPLE.
YOU TALK ABOUT THAT THIS KIND OF DISCONNECT.
BOTH OF YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT MICRO TRANSITS THAN I'VE BEEN PRESENTED AT AT THE DIFFERENT T LEVELS.
SO I'M, I'M LEARNING SOMETHING HERE TODAY ABOUT THE MICRO TRANSITS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE.
BUT I, I DO, I THINK, I THINK THIS COULD USE SOME BOARD LEVEL PARTICIPATION MAYBE WITH SOME OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
I KNOW IT SEEMS EVERYBODY'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE OUT IN CHARLES CITY THIS MAY BE ELEMENTS OF THIS MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THEY HAVE POTENTIAL TO CONNECT TO I THINK BAY TRANSIT BAY SOMETHING WHICH CONNECTS OUT TO GLOSTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, SO I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS, BUT I THINK WE WOULD BE WELL SERVED BY ENGAGING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE MICROT TRANSITS EFFORTS.
AND IT IS A HUGE CONCERN FROM MICRO CONSTITUENTS AND GET QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME.
AND WHEN I LITERALLY CAME BY TODAY, I SAW GUCCI CARES BUS AT THE, AT THE UH, MECHANIC SHOP.
I'M HOPING IT'S IN FOR REGULAR MAINTENANCE, NOT BROKE DOWN.
CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, I MEAN IT'S A HUGE, HUGE ISSUE.
BUT THE ISSUE IS, IS IN AND GET PAST THIS, BUT G OTC STUDY DOESN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING LIKE WESTERN LUTHER COUNTY.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEED IS, IS THE BIGGEST, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THE NEED IS NOT TO RIDE AROUND INSIDE
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A LITTLE CIRCLE IN YOUR, YOU KNOW, YEAH.BASICALLY IT'S ONLY THE COURTHOUSE HERE.
THAT'S ALL'S THEY WANT TO DO COME FROM AND GO TO THE COURTHOUSE AREA WITH NO, IT'S NOT NEEDS BASED.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE ELDERLY, DISABLED OR WHATEVER, NOT NEED SPACE.
SO IT'S, AND AND THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME OTHER MONEY AND I MEAN IF IT'S REALLY, THIS IS WHERE I THINK YOU, YOU TOUCHED ON IT'S 53 10 FUNDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR, FOR THE FOLKS THAT NEED, NEED TRANSPORTATION AND WE REALLY NEED TO EXPLORE THAT.
I, I WONDER IF WE COULD UTILIZE SOME OF THAT, SOME OF THIS MONEY THAT THEY WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO, YOU KNOW, RURAL TRANSIT TO MAYBE SUPPORT WHERE THE REAL NEEDS ARE, WHICH, AND MAYBE SUPPLEMENT SOME OTHER FUNDING THAT IS THERE FOR WHAT, I THINK HANOVER HAS THE DASH PROGRAM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA COME OUTTA G GTC MONEY.
I MEAN THEY'RE NOT GIVING UP THEIR MONEY.
WELL THERE'S, THEY WON'T LET US DO IT.
THAT'S OF COURSE WHAT OUR RUN SOUTH OF THE RIVER IS SAYING.
YOU KNOW, GIVE ME MY 15% I CAN DO BETTER.
50 THROUGH 10 WAS MENTIONED IN, UH, THE CARES PROGRAM.
THEY DO APPLY FOR THAT FUNDING AND THEY DO REGULARLY GET MONEY TO PAY FOR VAN.
SO IT MAY BE, UM, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN FIND OUT SOME INFORMATION ON HOW OFTEN THEY GET THAT FUNDING AND THE SERVICES THEY CAN BUY.
I I THINK THAT'S A LOT BETTER OPTION FOR US THAN A BUS THAT JUST DRIVES AROUND THE COURTHOUSE AREA.
I THINK THEY USE IT FOR THE SENIOR CONNECTIONS PROGRAM.
WE CAN GIVE A REPUTATION ON THAT.
RIGHT CHAIR, THE ONLY TIME THAT I CAN REMEMBER MY SERVICE ON THIS WERE LACK OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION REALLY, UH, WAS AN ISSUE WAS WHEN THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT BUILDING A HOSPITAL OUT HERE AND THERE WAS NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR THE FAMILIES TO GET FROM RICHMOND OUT TO SEE FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE HOSPITAL.
IF PULSE CAME TO RIDGE AND THERE WAS A SHUTTLE FROM SHELTERING ARMS AND POSSIBLY OTHER REAL ESTATE IN THERE MAKES A HOSPITAL A LOT MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, APPETIZER POTENTIAL.
THAT'S REALLY AN AMPHIBIOUS VEHICLE THAT CAN CROSS TUCKAHOE CREEK
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I CAN THINK OF WHERE I REALLY WAS, WAS A DETRIMENTAL APPLICATION.
THERE'S NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
AND AND THAT'S SOMETHING, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE SHOULD JUMP, JUMP ON, UH, CENTERVILLE IN THAT AREA IS IS YEAH, AVERY POINT AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE COMING IN THERE AND THAT'S GONNA BE A NEED THERE.
YOU'LL HAVE THE RIDERSHIP, I THINK ACTUALLY RIDERSHIP, I WOULD IMAGINE EVERY POINT'S GONNA RUN THEIR OWN BUS SYSTEM TOO.
SO TO WHAT DEGREE CAN WE EVEN CAPITALIZE UPON THAT AND MAKE A PARTNERSHIP IF THEY'RE ALREADY RUNNING BUSES UP AND DOWN? PERHAPS THERE CAN BE SOME EXTRA LEVEL OF SUPPORT FROM A APP CHEROKEE SEE INTO THAT.
YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING TO SHORT.
YEAH, I MEAN THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK.
I WOULDN'T SAY THAT GHOST DOESN'T CROSS THE, UM, SORRY, PULL.
THIS IS Y'ALLS, THIS IS THE BOARDS MEETING.
IT SHOULD BE BE ON YOUR RADAR.
WHY DON'T, WELL KIND FINISH OFF THAT.
I KNOW WHEN WE DID A
AND THEY LOOKED AT THE FULL BUS SERVICE OUT THIS WAY AND IT OBVIOUSLY SAID IT DOESN'T EXIST.
WELL, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS G RTC IS PROVIDING FREE RIDERSHIP, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A FEDERAL GRANT.
THEREFORE THEY HAD SOME MONEY NOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TRUTH.
LOOK FORWARD TO SEE WHAT COMES OUTTA ALL THAT.
YEAH, SO LOCAL FUNDING SOURCES, WE HAVE THE CBTA AND WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF REAL LOCAL, REALLY LOCAL OPTIONS.
CASH PROPERS AND JUST COVER ALL BASES.
WE DO HAVE ACCOUNT BUDGET, UM, THE CBTA, SO HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE POT IS, IS DIVVIED UP TO THAT 1535 AND 50 50% OF THAT MONEY IS DISTRIBUTED DIRECTLY BACK TO THE LOCALITIES.
BASED OFF HOW MUCH WE DID CONTRIBUTE.
UH, THE FUNDS MUST BE SPENT ON TRANSPORTATION RELATED ITEMS. THE LANGUAGE IN THAT PART OF THE STATE CODE IS EXTREMELY BROAD.
I KNOW SOME LOCALITIES PAY THEIR STAFF WITH THEIR CBT LOCAL FUNDS LIKE THE CITY OF RICHMOND.
UM, WE RECEIVE APPROXIMATELY $200,000 PER MONTH.
OUR CURRENT ACCOUNT TOTAL IS 4.2 MILLION.
WE HAVE UTILIZED THESE FUNDS IN THE PAST.
WE DID THE COMPANY ONE MEDIAN, WHICH I KNOW HAS BEEN A BIG HIT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE'RE USING A LOT, LITTLE OVER HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF THE LOCAL FUNDS WITH THE ROUNDABOUT THAT'S GOING IN RIGHT
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NOW.UM, AND THEN ALSO $135,000 TO THE OPTUM COMPREHENSION DEVICES ON OUR EXISTING SIGNALS.
SO ONCE THAT'S DONE, THAT'S IN DESIGN AT THE TAIL END OF DESIGN SHOULD BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION EARLY 23.
THAT WILL GIVE US ALL OF THE EMERGENCY SIGNALS TO TURN THE LIGHTS GREEN ON EVERY SIGNAL POLE WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY.
SO THAT WILL COVER OUR, EVERY EXISTING SIGNAL WE HAVE WILL HAVE THOSE EMERGENCY BEEPS ON THEM.
HOW MUCH WAS THE, UH, COMPANY, ONE MEDIAN? DO YOU REMEMBER THE COMPANY ONE MEDIAN? SO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS $26,000.
WE GOT AN INVOICE FOR LESS THAN THAT FROM VIDOS.
PHILLIP, IF YOU HAVE IT, IF YOU'RE BACK, THAT'S OKAY.
I JUST MUCH, IT, IT, WE TELL ME HOW MUCH MONEY WE, IT WAS 17 TO 19,000 WAS THE TOTAL ACTUAL COST OF THAT PROJECT.
SO WE, WE CAME IN ABOUT $7,000 UNDER BUDGET.
SO WE STILL HAVE, WE HAVE EIGHT-ISH.
I'M SAY MONEY IS, THAT'S ALL I
ARE YOU ASKING HOW MUCH FOR THAT PROJECT OR HOW MUCH CT FUNDS DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US? WELL, I, I WAS GONNA DO THE MATH, BUT ULTIMATELY I WANT TO KNOW, CURRENT TOTAL IS 4.2 MILLION.
THAT'S AFTER THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN PAID? YES.
SO WE DO ALSO HAVE CASH PROFITS AT OUR DISPOSAL, UM, PROFFERS THAT ARE COLLECTED THROUGH ANY REZONING CASE.
UH, WE HAVE ALLOCATED PROFFERS BEFORE WE ALLOCATED A CHUNK OF PROFFERS.
A LOT OF OUR OLD PROFFERS THAT WERE SET TO EXPIRE, WE WENT TO THE FAIR ROUNDABOUT AND WE WERE SET TO SPEND SOME OF THAT ON THE EAST INTERIM.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE ON TRANSPORTATION RELATED ITEMS AS WELL TO KIND OF ALMOST AS A GAP FUNDING.
UM, NOW OUR PROPERTY MUST BE SPENT IN THE REGION PART IN THE PART OF THE COUNTY THAT THEY WERE COLLECTED IN, WHICH DOES ADD A LITTLE BIT OF A CAVEAT THERE, BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN ONE OF THE LAST ITEMS IS WE DO HAVE THE COUNTY BUDGET THAT IF THERE'S A, A NEED THAT THE BOARD SEES, WHETHER IT'S SMALL OR LARGE, IT CAN BE PROPOSED IN THE COUNTY BUDGET.
AND JUST TO COVER ALL BASES, IT'S, IT'S ALL PRESENTATION THAT'S LAST I SEE WAS HAPPEN OVER THERE.
I I WANTED TO COVER ANY AND ALL OPTIONS.
UM, AND ONE THING WE MAY DO IF IT'S SMALL ALLOCATIONS, JUST A FEW DOLLARS HERE AND THERE TO HELP LEVERAGE SOME SMALL PROJECTS FOR SIDEWALK COMPLETION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT IT, IT CERTAINLY IS A OPTION.
AND LOCAL FUNDS ARE THE MOST BROAD.
THERE'S THE LEAST AMOUNT OF RULES, ESPECIALLY WITH COUNTY MONEY.
WE CAN SPEND IT ON WHATEVER WE, SO PLEASE.
WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION RELATED ITEMS, I HATE TO SAY THERE'S NO RULES, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF ALL THE FUNDING SOURCES.
I KNOW IT WAS A LOT TO TAKE IN.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE PRIOR TO THE MARCH ONE CUZ IT'LL ESSENTIALLY BE TAKING THESE SOURCES AND APPLYING IT TO THE CIP P AND PROVIDING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS APPLICATION CYCLES AND SO ON.
UM, THE HANDOUT THAT'S IN THE ACT OF EVERYBODY'S PACKET WAS THE, THAT'S THE STATE'S TWO YEAR CYCLE, WHAT'S ON THE EVENING YEARS, WHAT'S ON THE ODD YEARS.
SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WE'LL BE DOING THE SAME THING FOR FEDERAL AND LOCAL.
UH, WELL THERE'S REALLY A LOCAL DEADLINES UNLESS THEY'RE SELFIMPOSED, BUT ANY FEDERAL DEADLINES WE HAVE AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA FORM THAT SIX YEAR PLAN.
UM, AND SOME FUTURE TOPICS, UH, WE MAY BE DISCUSSING ARE ANY EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THE BOARD MAY WANT OR WOULD VIDO MAY PROPOSE TO US.
UH, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET THEM IN HERE.
UH, THE NEXT ONE WILL BE THE TRANSPORTATION C I P REVIEW.
UH, I'M REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO GOING OVER SMART SCALE SCORING.
I'LL PROBABLY BE TOUCHING ON THAT ONE A MARCH UH, WORKSHOP AS WELL.
AND CBTA TPO SCORING AS ALL THOSE, UH, APPLICATION WINDOWS CLOSE.
AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE THE BOARD SEES FIT BETWEEN WORKSHOPS.
SO LIKE THE SMART SCALE MM-HMM.
PRE-APPLICATION DEADLINE IS JUNE 1ST.
WOULD WE TYPICALLY MORE GO TOWARDS THE END OF THAT PERIOD? SO FOR THIS LAST CYCLE, UH, WE WERE VERY ENGAGED FROM MARCH TO JUNE PUTTING IN THE PRE-APPLICATION FOR, UH, THE ASHLAND ROAD DDI, UH, ANY SMART SCALE APPLICATION.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE PRE SCOPING I TOUCHED ON EARLIER.
THE PRE SCOPING HAS NO DEADLINES.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU PUT IN THE INFORMATION KIND OF WHEN YOU WANT TO KNOW WHEN YOU WANNA GET FEEDBACK, AND THEN WE GO, WE CAN GO FROM THAT PRE SCOPING PORTAL INTO PRE-APPLICATION, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT FOR SMART SCALE THAT'S KIND OF FINDING FATAL FLAWS IN YOUR PROJECTS.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE WEED 'EM DOWN FROM FIVE TO FOUR.
CAUSE WE CAN HAVE FIVE PRE-APP APPLICATIONS BEFORE TOTAL APPLICATIONS.
THAT'S WHEN WE DO THAT WEED, THAT, THAT WEEDING PROCESS.
SO SHOULD WE MEET BEFORE MARCH? I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM HERE THOUGH.
SO NEXT YEAR WILL BE AN ODD YEAR.
SO SMART SCALES EVERY OTHER YEAR.
SO THIS COMING MARCH, THERE IS NO SMART SCALE WINDOWS.
I'M LIKE WHAT? SO THIS COMING, SO THIS COMING MARCH FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE ON THE STATE SCHEDULE IS THE SS Y P OR THE S YIP P THE SIX YEAR
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PLAN.AND THAT'S WHEN PHILLIP WILL REACH OUT TO, TO, TO ME.
REV SHARE, REV SHARE REV SHARING IS BIG NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? YES.
SO THAT'S THE BIG ONE FOR NEXT YEAR.
WE'LL, SMART SCALE IS KIND ITS OWN EAST THAT THEY KIND OF WANT TO CORD OFF ON ITS OWN.
NEXT YEAR WE'RE, I MEAN, AS WE GET MARCH, YOU'RE GONNA WANNA KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR REVENUE SHARE APPLICATIONS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, AUSTIN, WE HAVE THAT MEETING IN MARCH.
WE KINDA TALKING ABOUT, UM, SORT OF STRATEGY MM-HMM.
YOU APPLY FOR ALL THESE SOURCES.
THAT'LL BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT COMES OUT OF IT.
IS, IS THERE A PROJECT, LET'S TAKE THE ACTION.
WE MIGHT NOT GET ALL THAT THROUGH ONE SOURCE.
STAFF MAY COME WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR ANOTHER BIG PROJECT, HEY, LET'S USE THESE THREE FOR THESE FOUR NEXT CYCLES FOR THESE FOUR DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES AND, AND GO THAT ROUTE FOR A BIG PROJECT.
SO IT IS JUST A FORMAL TELEVISED REQUEST FOR OUR MARCH MEETING THAT WE HAD.
THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
AGAIN, AROUND THE STRATEGY OF HOW TO DO THAT.
AND I'M, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF THAT WE'VE BUILT WITH OUR BI PARTNERS.
AND THEIR ABILITY TO HELP INFORM US AS WE'RE LEARNING THIS NEW WORLD OF REGIONAL AND COOPERATION OR COOPTION AS, UH, DARRELL WALTER, YOU'D LIKE TO SAY, UH, YOU USE NASCAR REFERENCES.
UM, BUT HAVING THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT'S, WHAT ARE GOOD STRATEGIES TO DO THIS AND REALLY LEVERAGING, UM, YOUR HELP.
SO PHIL, THANK YOU FOR THOSE OFFERS AND MM-HMM.
SO WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT TODAY OR ANYTHING TRANSPORTATION RELATED? UH, MR. PETERSON? YEAH, I'M OKAY.
OH BOY, CHAIR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FEED ME.
AND LOOK, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WALKING US THROUGH THIS.
AS WE SIT HERE, OUR JOB IS, WE'VE GOT FUNDING SOURCES AND THEN WE'VE GOT PROJECTS THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET DONE.
AND IN BETWEEN IS THIS COMPLICATED MAZE.
AND YOU'RE OUR SHERPA TO TRY AND GET US TO THE CHIEFS RIGHT.
AND, AND THE FRUSTRATION AND YOU KNOW, LISTEN HERE, SOME OF THE FRUSTRATION IS WE END UP WITH STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY THAT'S ALLOCATED THROUGH A POLITICAL PROCESS.
TO ADVANCE POLITICAL AGENDAS, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE IN THE LOCALITY.
WE JUST HAVE SAFETY AND TRAFFIC MOVING AND THOSE KIND OF ISSUES.
AND SO AS A CONSEQUENCE, WE END UP WITH EXTRA MONEY FOR THINGS WE DON'T CARE ABOUT AND NOT NEARLY ENOUGH MONEY IN FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE HIGH PRIORITIES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT MAZE THAT STARTS OUT WITH A POLITICAL AGENDA AND ENDS UP WITH US TRYING TO DO THE BEST WAY WE CAN.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU AND, AND BEING THAT GUIDING US THROUGH THAT MAZE TO TRY AND MAXIMIZE THE UTILITY.
AND THEN, SO FOR ME, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE A MASTER OF TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT WAS DONE OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS IDENTIFIED ON THE MAPS WITH RED AND YELLOW AND GREEN.
THESE INTERSECTIONS ARE FAILING.
THESE INTERSECTIONS HAVE ALL THE ACCIDENTS AND FATALITIES AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO DIE BEFORE YOU GET SOME MONEY, BUT THERE'S A METRIC IN THERE.
WELL, FOR ME, IF WE LOOK AT THAT MAP TODAY AND WHERE THESE ISSUES ARE AND THEN WE ACCESS WHATEVER POTS OF MONEY WE CAN THAT THREE TO FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE LOOK AT THAT SAME MAP, WE'VE ADDRESSED SOME OF THOSE FLASHING RED ISSUES AND WHETHER IT'S INTERSECTIONS OR 2 88 BACKING UP FOR THREE OR FOUR HOURS A DAY, BUT ON AVERAGE IS FINE.
UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE WE ADDRESSED SOME OF THOSE ISSUES? UM, RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE REASONABLY CLEAN AIR, DON'T HAVE OZONE AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FATALITIES, TRY TO ACCESS SOME MONEY ANYWAY.
BECAUSE EVEN IF WE HAVE VERY FEW FATALITIES, IF WE HAVE ONE AT AN INTERSECTION, WE SHOULD TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO ALLEVIATE THAT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A RELATIVE OF ENOUGH OF THEM.
IT'S HEADING AND OBVIOUSLY PREVENT, YOU KNOW, DISEASE FATALITIES AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, I COME BACK TO WE HAD THESE RESOURCES, DID WE MAXIMIZE THE UTILITY IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING THE PRESSING ISSUES ON THE CITIZEN SIDE, WHICH IS ACCIDENTS, INJURIES, DEATHS, BACKUPS, INCONVENIENCE, WHATEVER IT IS.
ARE WE, ARE WE SUCCESSFUL IN BRINGING THOSE RESOURCES TO BEAR TO, TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT ARE MOST PRESSING? AND AGAIN, I COME BACK TO GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE MAY HAVE EXTRA MONEY FOR, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT YOU ADJUST.
BUT, UH, AND THEN, AND THEN WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING THERE ON THE STUFF THAT WE REALLY, REALLY WANT TO DO.
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UM, SO FOR ME, AGAIN, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, LOOPING BACK TO WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE PROJECT SPECIFIC DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BROAD ABOUT THIS, BUT WHAT ARE WE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY DOING THESE THINGS AS OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT ITSELF? WE'RE TRYING, THE ACCOMPLISHMENT ISN'T GETTING THE SIDEWALKS OR THE LIGHT.SO THE ROUNDABOUT, THE PROJECT IS TO ADDRESS ITS NEED.
AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK BACK TO THAT NEED AND SAY, ARE WE REALLY PRIORITIZING ON THE RIGHT NEEDS FOR THE RIGHT THINGS AS OPPOSED TO WHETHER'S MONEY AVAILABLE TO DO THIS? LET'S GO DO IT.
UM, YOU SEE WE'RE GOING WITH ALL THIS.
AND, AND TO THAT POINT, I THINK ONE THING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT I ACTUALLY HADN'T POINTED OUT YET, SO THANK YOU FOR SPARKING THAT IN MY BRAIN, IS THAT THE SIX YEAR PLAN IS CERTAINLY NOT SET IN STONE FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS.
WE CAN ONLY DO THIS FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS.
IT YEARLY UPDATE WITH THE BOARD, WHETHER IT'S IN JUNE AT THE END OF A FISCAL YEAR, MAYBE YOU DON'T WANNA TIE IT INTO BUDGET CONVERSATIONS IN, IN, IN JUNE RIGHT BEFORE THE END.
BUT SEPTEMBER THE, WE KIND OF SHAKE THE DUST OFF OF THE NEW FISCAL YEAR.
WE HAVE AN UPDATE EVERY YEAR TO ADDRESS NEW PRIORITIES PERFECT.
AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH.
SO AS WE DO THAT IN LET'S SAY MARCH MM-HMM.
IF YOU CAN YOU ADD THAT PIECE PEACEFULLY, OUR MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THESE ARE THE RED AREAS WE GONNA TURN
WE HAVE THE SHERIFF PRODUCER ONCE IN A WHILE, TOP 10, TOP 15, TOP 20, YOU KNOW, INCIDENT RELATED AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
SO THAT CAN HELP FOCUS OUR ATTENTION, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AS OPPOSED TO JUST ACCOMPLISHING, GETTING THE PROJECT DONE.
THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
IT'S A MEANS TO AN END, I GUESS.
SO IF YOU COULD TIE THAT PIECE TO IT IN MARCH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ANY OF THE ALLEGATIONS.
NO, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP.
UM, AND ONE THING THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IS I'LL COORDINATE WITH THE SHERIFF AND GET SOME OF THAT DATA REALLY RIGHT UP TO THE MARCH MEETING BECAUSE THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IS THERE AN AREA THAT STAFFING THE BOARD HAVEN'T CONSIDERED BEFORE? IT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOME KIND OF A HOTSPOT ON THE HEAT MAP.
WHERE IS THERE A GLARING RED FLASHING BEACON THAT NOBODY'S SEEN YET? THINGS DO.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASON, ONE OF THE WAYS WE GOT THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS BROUGHT IN 2 88, UH, WAS IT, IT WAS ON TOP OF THE LIST.
SO EACH YEAR WE KIND OF TAKE THE TOP OF THE LIST OFF.
WE SHOULD BE REALLY IMPROVING THE, THE OVERALL QUALITY OF, OF LIFE HERE WE CAN.
WELL, AND THEN ONE THING WITH THE YEARLY UPDATE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO BETTER SHIFT OUR PRIORITIES BECAUSE PROJECT ROCKY CHANGED A LOT OF THINGS.
AND M AS FAR AS TRANSPORTATION PRIORITIES, ASHLEY WROTE DDI I AND THE WIDENING WAS CERTAINLY AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, BUT NUMBER ONE
AND THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT AS WELL.
I THINK THAT TRANSPORTATION STUDY DID PROJECT OUT INTO THE FUTURE GROWTH AND WHATNOT.
BUT AS WE TRY TO GROW GRACEFULLY, ONE OF THE THINGS IS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT GROWTH WITHOUT INCREASING ACCIDENTS AND WITHOUT INCREASING TRAFFIC BACKUPS TO TRY AND BUILD OUT AND TARGET WHAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT GROWTH TO MAKE SURE WE GROW GRACEFULLY WITHOUT CREATING PROBLEMS. AND UH, AND AS PLUS WE, WE HAVE PHELP YOU'RE STILL THERE WITH US AT VDO.
PHELP, YOU'RE STILL THERE? I AM.
SO I WAS LEANING BACK IN MY CHAIR.
UM, THERE'S A BIG, SPEAKING OF STATE AND FEDERAL POLITICAL DECISIONS, THERE'S A BIG PUSH TO GO WITH EVS GOING FOR ELECTRONIC VEHICLES.
AND ON AVERAGE WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO TELL IS IT ADDS ABOUT A THOUSAND POUNDS PER VEHICLE.
AND IF WE'VE GOT ABOUT 8 MILLION POPULATION, ONE VEHICLE PER, THAT'S ABOUT 8 BILLION ADDITIONAL POUNDS ON THE ROADS AND BRIDGES AND TUNNELS, UH, IS VITA ALLOCATING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO PAVE MORE FREQUENTLY OR REINFORCE THE BRIDGES FOR A THOUSAND POUNDS PER VEHICLE GOING FORWARD? I'LL BE HONEST, I I I DON'T THINK I'M QUITE THE PERSON TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE, UM, PUSHED RESOURCES TO REVIEW HOW THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IS GONNA GROW.
UM, AS PART OF THE, UH, ELECTRONIC VEHICLES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CAN THINK OF SPECIFICALLY THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED IS, UM, A LOT OF THESE VEHICLES, IF THEY'RE SELF-DRIVING, THEY REALLY DEPEND ON EDGE LINES AND STRIPING TO STAY WITHIN LANES.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EDGE LINES AND STRIPING ON SECONDARY ROADS.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD THAT, THAT
I CAN PUT SOME FEELERS OUT AND SEE IF WE HAVE, MY GUESS IS THAT IT'S IN THE, IN THE LONG RANGE PLAN, A THOUSAND POUNDS PER VEHICLE IS PROBABLY KIND OF NOMINAL, UM, TO THE LIFESPAN OF, OF UH, OUR PAVEMENT AND OUR BRIDGES BECAUSE THOSE ARE LIVE LOWS.
THEY ARE THERE AND THEN THEY'RE GONE.
UM, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY GO DOWN THAT THAT ROAD AND SEE IF I CAN FIND ANY INFORMATION FOR YOU.
UH, YEAH, I MEAN THAT'D BE GREAT.
I MEAN, SOMETHING WEARS OUT THE ROADS AND THEY NEED BE RE PAVED AND I KNOW A LOT OF IT'S, YOU KNOW, FREEZING AND FLOWING AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT WHEN YOU ADD ANOTHER THOUSAND POUNDS PER VEHICLE, IT'S GOTTA CHEW 'EM UP FASTER.
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SURE THAT WE DON'T FALL BEHIND ON A RESURFACING SCHEDULE.EVS I KNOW YOU HAVE LESS MONEY TO WORK WITH CAUSE UH, GASOLINE TAXES WILL GO AWAY.
BUT, UM, WE JUST HAVE MORE, MORE MONEY TO SPEND
WE HAVE HIGHER EXPENSES AND LESS REVENUE I GUESS.
SO EVERYBODY'S HAD THEIR CHALLENGES, BUT, ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WELCOME AUSTIN AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
I THINK WHAT WHAT WOULD HELP US, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SALES, THINK ABOUT THE SAFETY, UM, AND YOU MENTIONED VISION ZERO IN THE CITY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS THOUGHT OF TBO IS TO, TO DO AN APPLICATION FOR A STUDY GRANT.
I THINK CHESTERFIELD AND RIPER SOUGHT WERE SEEKING IMPLEMENTATION GRANTS FOR THEIR SAFETY.
ONE OF THEM WAS, ONE OF THEM WAS SEEKING IMPLEMENTATION, THE OTHER WAS ACTION.
I DON'T RECALL WHICH WAS WHICH.
AND WELL THE CITY WAS SEEKING UH, AN ACTION ACTION BECAUSE THEY HAD DIVISION ZERO REPLACEMENT.
THE OTHERS WERE SEEKING STUDY GRANTS.
BUT THEN IN MEANWHILE THE REGIONAL PLAN DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD CAUSE WE WEREN'T READY.
SO CORRECT THAT AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A, AN A STUDY GRANT AS WELL.
WHAT MIGHT HELP IS IF OUR VIEW AS OUR TRANSPORTATION FOLKS, IF YOU TELL US HOW CAN WE IN WORKING WITH THE REGION, UM, BECAUSE I WAS REALLY A LITTLE FRUSTRATED LIKE, OKAY, THE LOCALITIES ARE GONNA CONS, ONE'S DOING IT, ONE'S DOING IT IN ACTION, THE OTHER TWO ARE DOING STUDIES AND THE REGION MEANWHILE IS NOT READY TO DO THE STUDY.
SO THAT JUST LEFT ME FEELING LIKE, WELL THAT'S KIND OF BACKWARDS AND SO IS EVERYBODY GONNA DO THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL SAFETY STUDY? WELL IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD BE, THIS SEEMS LIKE AN AREA THAT REGIONAL COOPERATION DIDN'T MAKE SENSE IN TERMS OF THAT'S RIGHT.
IN TERMS OF UH, CREATING, SO IN ADDITION TO JUST THINKING, WELL, DOES GUC NEED TO DO ITS, UM, STUDY? DO WE WANT TO EVEN BOTHER WITH ANY KIND OF PLAN? SAFETY PLAN? I THINK WOULD ALSO, INSTEAD OF JUST ASKING THAT QUESTION AND STOPPING THERE WITH YOUR ROLE ON YOUR ROLE WITH T AND THESE OTHERS IS TO GUIDE US TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, THIS IS WHAT GIBSON'S THINKING, BUT HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE REGION AND HERE'S WHERE SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT SUPPORT.
SOME OF THE REASONS, BECAUSE I THINK AGAIN, IF WE'RE GONNA DO REGIONAL COOPERATION ON THE FUNDING AND ALL THOSE OTHER COMPONENTS, IT'D BE GOOD FOR US AS BOARD MEMBERS TO KNOW, GOING BACK TO SOME OF THESE PLACES DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENTS.
SO THEY'RE KIND OF CATCHING UP SOMETIMES EVEN IN POLICY BOARD MEETINGS.
AND THAT'S I'M FINDING OUT, CUZ I TALK TO SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAYING, BEING CHAIR, YOU KIND OF GOTTA PREPARE FOR THE MEETING.
SO I'M LIKE,
YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE, I'M BREATHING AHEAD EVEN MORE THAN I USUALLY DO, UM, BECAUSE I I'VE GOTTA RUN THE MEETING.
BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S BEEN GREAT.
WHAT, WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS LIKE I'M I NOW BECAUSE THE PIECES MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING TO THE OTHER LEADERS IN FRONT
SO IT'S A LONG WINDED WAY OF SAYING I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR US FOR, FOR, FOR STAFF TO GUIDE US IN HOW TO, HOW TO WORK WITH OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS.
WHAT ARE UNDERSTANDING THESE TECH MEETINGS, WHAT'S GOING ON, WHERE ARE THEY THINKING ABOUT THE SAFETY PLAN? AND MAYBE CUZ IF I POSSIBLE, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE REALLY PUSHED HARDER IF I, IF I'D KNOWN IT WAS COMING MONTHS EARLIER CAUSE WE HAD A PLAN, I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL THE, EVEN THAT MEETING THAT OUR PLAN WASN'T FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO QUALIFY FOR AN IMPLEMENTATION GRANT OR AN ACTION GRANT.
SO I MEAN, KEEPING TABS ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS, I KNOW IT'S, YOU'VE GOT A LONG LIST ALREADY, BUT I WOULD ADD THOSE THINGS TO THE LIST BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN BECOME BETTER REGIONAL PARTNERS.
WELL THAT WOULD GIVE US MORE BENEFIT.
AND THEN PART OF THAT IS MAKING SURE IF WE UNDERTAKE SAFETY STUDIES ON SPECIFIC STREETS AROUND THE ROAD OR IF WE DO ONE AFTER THE SMALL AREA PLAN KIND OF AS MAYBE THAT STARTS TO TAKE SOME, GAIN SOME STEPS AND, AND START TO BE BUILT OUT.
WE START TO SEE THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE BECOME MORE OF A BUILT OUT COMMUNITY.
WE CAN LOOK AT PRIORITIZING IN A REGIONAL PLAN SOME NEEDS THAT WE SEE BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN CALL THAT OUT.
IF THE REGION TAKES A 20,000 FOOT LOOK AT BO COUNTY, THEY'RE FINE.
THEY MIGHT NOT SEE ANY NEEDS, BUT IT, IT'LL BE UP TO STAFF AND AND ANY MEMBER ON THE POLICY BOARD TO REALLY YELL ABOUT THAT.
IF WE HAVE ANY NEEDS TO GET THOSE INTO ANY REGIONAL PLANS AND LONG RANGE TRANSPORT TRANSPORTATION PLAN AS WELL.
WE SEE NEEDS THAT THE REGION OR THE STATE MIGHT NOT SEE IN BRISBANE COUNTY AND WE, IT'S, IT'S UP TO US TO REALLY DRIVE THAT POINT HOME.
THE 2 88 BACKUP NORTH AND SOUTH, THAT'S NOT ALL GROUPS OF RESIDENTS ON 2 88, UM, ENRICO JESSICA FOLKS COMING THROUGH.
SO YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL GOODSON DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
THE ROOFTOPS AND DENSITIES AREN'T BAD.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU HAVE BUILD OUT AND SHORT PROBLEM, IT'S JUST UNBRIDLED AND THEY WANT TO
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USE THAT AND THEY BACK UP IT, IT BECOMES OUR PROBLEM CAUSE IT'S IN, IT'S IN OUR BACKYARD.SO IT'S A REGIONAL PROBLEM CREATED.
UH, THEY I GUESS A REGIONAL ISSUES THAT CREATE A LOCAL PROBLEM FOR US.
UM, SO IT SHOULD BE PROPERLY VIEWED AS A REGIONAL ISSUE AS OPPOSED TO A GROUPS OF PROBLEM TO SOLVE FOR FUNDING SHOULD BE A REGIONAL TYPE FUNDING STATE, LOCAL OR STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S JUST TO, TO DOVETAIL WHAT HE SAID.
SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE THINK ARE OURS, THEY'RE NOT REALLY OURS.
THEY'RE REALLY REGIONAL AND, AND ON THAT THERE'S DUCKTAIL REAL QUICKLY, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT A, YOU KNOW, MICRO TRANSIT MIGHT CIRCLES AROUND
BUT THERE IS ANOTHER SMALL AREA OF STUDY COMING FOR THE SPEEDER AND THE, THE, THE SHEER MAGNITUDE OF POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA IS GONNA PUT ALL KINDS OF NEW PRESSURES ON, ON OUR TRANSPORTATION.
AND THAT MAY CHANGE THE CONVERSATION IN SOME OF THE AREAS, WHETHER IT BE THE LONGER LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN REGIONALLY, THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE MAY BE TWO PRIORITIES THAT COME OUT OF THAT THAT WE GOTTA GET IN ORDER FOR TO REALLY HELP DEVELOPMENT AND, AND FACILITATE THAT WE GOTTA HAVE X, Y, Z IMPROVEMENTS OR THIS, THIS BRAND NEW ROAD BUILT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
OR ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT'S JUST GONNA CRUSH THE EXISTING SYSTEM.
SO THAT COULD CHANGE PRIORITIES.
THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS YEARLY UPDATE OF THE SIX YEAR PLAN WHERE WE JUST TACK ON ANOTHER YEAR AT THE END, BUT WE CAN SHIFT AND MOVE THE CUPS AROUND NEW PRIORITY.
OR PROJECTS IF LIKE THE FAIR GUARD ROAD EXTENSION, IF THERE'S SOMETHING OUTTA THE CORRIDOR STUDY THAT BECOMES MORE IMPORTANT, WE CAN KICK IT, WE CAN KICK IT TO A WHOLE NEW SIX YEAR PLAN AND LOOK AT EVEN OUT YEARS OF AN ADDITIONAL PLAN.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO REALLY MOVE THOSE CUPS AROUND.
CERTAINLY NOTHING IS GONNA BE SET IN STONE.
JUST CAUSE COURTHOUSE IN SENATE GOT THROUGH THE SMALLER THIRTIES FIRST.
DOESN'T GET FIRST IN LIFE DOWN IN DISTRICT THREE.
IS IT
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE COUNTY NOW? 10 MONTHS.
10 SO IF ANYBODY HAS BEEN PAYING ATTENTION DURING THIS MEETING, EXCEED THE ABSOLUTE COMPLEXITY OF THIS, YOURS IS A NEW POSITION.
FIRST OFF, I AM BLOWN AWAY AT THE COMMAND THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS MATERIAL ALREADY AFTER 10 MONTHS.
THAT, THAT JUST MAKES ME FEEL GREAT.
AND I, I THINK ABOUT THE DAYS WHEN I CAME ON THE BOARD AND IT WAS TOM WHO'S WEARING PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT HATS.
TRANSPORTATION BEING FIVE OR SIX.
SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOUR THROAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE DOING THIS PART-TIME AND THIS BOARD SAW THE NEED TO, THAT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HEADING.
AND, YOU KNOW, OUR CITIZENS A LOT.
TALK TO US ABOUT GROWING SMARTLY IN INFRASTRUCTURE.
WELL, THIS IS PART OF THAT UNDERSTANDING HOW TO DO THIS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL AS WITH THE, UH, SMART SCALE, UM, I'M SORRY, THE REGIONAL FUNDING AS WE WERE BECAUSE OF OUR ENGAGEMENTS.
UM, CAUSE WE'RE ABLE, WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAN DEVELOP AND DEVOTE FULL-TIME.
THANK YOU FOR COMING UP THE SPEED SO QUICKLY AND, AND, AND REALLY LEADING THIS.
UM, AND THANK YOU TO THE BOARD FOR REALIZING THIS NEED.
UH, AND, AND AND GETTING A HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, I ALWAYS AM RELUCTANT TO GROW ANY SORT OF GOVERNMENT, BUT WHEN, WHEN YOU SEE THIS TYPE OF INVESTMENT AND, AND I THINK ABOUT THE STUDIES AND OKAY, IF YOU PAY 80 GRAND TO GET 8 MILLION, THAT'S NOT BAD.
SO, UH, THANK YOU TO YOU AND TOM AND THE REST OF THE STAFF THAT WORK SO HARD ON THIS STUDY.
UM, IT IS INCREDIBLY COMPACT, COMPLEX.
A LOT OF MOVING PARTS ALL MUCKED UP BY POLITICIANS.
UM, AND UH, AND MR. CHAIR FOLLOWING THAT, WE HAPPEN TO LIE ON THE DEVELOPING EDGE, COMING OUT THE CITY.
AND THAT DEVELOPING EDGE IS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT, A LOT OF PRESSURES.
AND SO DEDICATING RESOURCES TO ENSURE TRANSPORTATION FLOW SHOULD BE CENTERED AROUND THOSE DEVELOPING AIR AREAS WHERE THE PRESSURES ARE GREATEST.
SO I'M NOT SURPRIS, UH, ANY OTHER COPIES THIS LAST.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT DOING THE, UH, BIG.
THAT'S REALLY THE, THE BULLET NUMBER TWO, THE TRANSPORTATION C I P REVIEW.
WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER TOPICS? I THINK THEY'RE ALL NEEDED, INCLUDING SPEED UP WHERE? MICRO TRANSIT, WELL, I MEAN BRIDGES, TRUTHFULLY, WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET TO THESE? THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.
UM, IN LIEU OF MEETING ONCE A WEEK ON SOME OF THIS STUFF, CAUSE WE COULD PROBABLY MEET ONCE A MONTH FOR YEARS AND, WELL, THIS IS A QUARTERLY WORKSHOP.
WE HAD TO UNFORTUNATELY CANCEL THE LAST ONE BECAUSE IN THE 1ST OF SEPTEMBER WE WERE GONNA WORK THROUGH AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY WITH VDOT, BUT VDOT KIND OF PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT CAUSE IT WAS THE MIDDLE OF SMART SCALE WHERE
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EVERYTHING WAS REALLY PICKING UP, SPEEDING, GOING 150 MILES AN HOUR.SO THEY ASKED IF WE COULD, UH, MOVE THAT TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS COMING YEAR.
AND I'M HOPING THAT IN, AND IT IS FINDING TIME FOR ALL OF IT BECAUSE IT IS SO COMPLEX.
I MEAN, EASILY THE, THE MIDDLE FOUR OF THESE, OR AT LEAST THE TOP, THE TWO AND THREE TRANSPORTATION, C I P AND SMART SCALE SCORING, WE COULD EASILY DISCUSS THOSE ITEMS FOR FOUR HOURS PLUS, ESPECIALLY THE SAFEST CIP P REVIEW, THE SIX YEAR PLAN.
BECAUSE THE, THE PRIORITIES THAT, THAT CAN BE A DISCUSSION THAT CAN GO AND IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT MR. PETERSON SAID, WHERE ARE OUR PROJECTS? CORRECT? WHERE'S THE MONEY? WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS? YOU KNOW, AND JUST SEE IT LIKE IN THE UNITED SPREADSHEET SORT OF THING.
UM, AND ARE THOSE THE BEST PRIORITIES AFTER WE DO STUDY SPEED UP, YOU KNOW, OR ANY OTHER STUDIES THAT GET RIGHT MAYBE MM-HMM.
MAYBE WE CAN HAVE SOME, I MEAN, WE'VE SET OUR CALENDAR.
I KNOW, BUT MAYBE THE TRANSPORTATION CIP P SHOULD BE DEDICATED SAN OTHER CIP P SO WE HAVE TWO C I P SESSIONS.
ONE ON TRANSPORTATION CAPITAL.
WELL, AND AND THAT OR JUST SOMEHOW EXTEND THE DAY OR SOMETHING.
THIS IS GOING TO, I MEAN IT IS.
WELL AND THAT COULD BE WORKED INTO THAT.
THAT COULD BE WORKED INTO THE YEARLY SIX YEAR PLAN REVIEW.
CAUSE THAT'S REALLY A CIP P REVIEW BECAUSE SOMETHING CAN GET ADDED MID-YEAR WHERE THERE'S PRIORITY CHANGING ALL THE TIME WHERE THERE'S A BIG ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOT IT LIVE.
THAT COULD BE, AND I JUST THREW OUT SOME OF THE DATES RIGHT NOW.
OUR QUARTERLYS ARE MARCH, JUNE, SEPTEMBER AND DECEMBER.
SO DO WE DO IT IN JUNE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE C I P AND BUDGET STUFF? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'D BE A LOT AT ONCE.
OR IS A SIX YEAR UPDATE IN SEPTEMBER SHAKING THE DUST OFF OF THE, THE NEW FISCAL WE, OR DO WE LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND TACKLE THIS? LIKE WE FORM A SPECIAL, A COMMITTEE THAT IS, HAS A COUPLE MORE MEMBERS THAT ARE SITTING IN, MEETS MORE, MEETS MORE FREQUENTLY, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THE QUARTERLY.
SO I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS THAT WE BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE NEED.
TRANSPORTATION AND IT'S CERTAINLY GONNA TAKE MORE OF THE QUARTER WAYS TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE CASE, ESPECIALLY WITH A LOT OF BOARD INPUT, WHICH I WANT.
I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA BE STEERING THE SHIP FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY.
I MEAN
BUT TO GET GOOD INPUT, WE NEED TO MEET.
I MEAN, AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, TO ADVOCATE FOR A LOT MORE MEETINGS, BUT ONE IS REQUIRED IS REQUIRED.
KEEP UP WITH YOU PRETTY MUCH TODAY.
BUT I MEAN THIS, YOU DIDN'T GO INTO ALL THE SCHOOL.
YOU CAN TELL BY OUR QUESTIONS.
WAS THAT JUST THIS WAS THAT YOU PRESENTING? THIS IS A REAL, THIS IS A GREAT WORKSHOP.
THESE ARE FAVORITE SESSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD TOO.
MAYBE YOUR POINT, LIKE MAYBE THE CBTA CBT BE OUTSTANDING FORWARD FOR MORE FREQUENT ONCE A MONTH.
I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW, WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO THAT IS AND LEARN ABOUT MY COMMITTEE MAKING ABILITY AS CHAIR FOR NEXT TWO WEEKS.
JUST BECAUSE WE MAKE, WE MAKE, WE HAVE PRE MEETINGS FOR OUR TPO.
SO EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF GOODSON DOES NOT CHAIR, MAYBE THAT'D STILL BE A GOOD THING TO HAVE A PRE MEETING WITH THE OH, I THINK IT WOULD BE.
OR MAYBE IT IS ONE OF THE REPS FROM THE TPO AND THE CPTA IS THAT STANDING COMMITTEE THAT WE, WE DO, WHETHER IT'S MONTHLY, EVERY OTHER MONTH.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF TO BRAINSTORM TO COME WITH A RECOMMENDATION IN AN EMAIL? MAYBE SHOOT THAT OUT FIRST OF THE YEAR OR LET'S, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA SOLVE IT HERE.
HOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE AND STAFF CAN CHEW ON IT OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS AND, AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING MAYBE AROUND THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, MIDDLE OF JANUARY.
WE CAN SHOOT, WE CAN GIVE YOU OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW WE MAY THINK IT MAY BE BE BEST SERVED.
AND IF MARCH, JUNE, SEPTEMBER AND DECEMBER RUN INTO OTHER DEADLINE TIMES, WE NEED BACK IT UP, RIGHT? YEAH.
FEBRUARY, WHAT GOES BEFORE JUNE OF MAY,
THEN, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAIN MR. CHAIR, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD, UH, MICROMANAGE OR MOVE INTO BOSTON'S OFFICE AND NOT THAT, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKING AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BUT NOT BE A HOVERING BOARD AND PUT POWER STAFF AND SAY, YOU KNOW, KEEP US INFORMED AND EDUCATED AT A WORKING LEVEL BUT NOT MICROMANAGE WHAT YOU GUYS DO.
GUYS ARE VERY CAPABLE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
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YOU KNOW, I ONLY GOT ROOM FOR ONE OF YOU.I'VE SEEN HIS OFFICE ON ZOOM MEETINGS.
IT'S, IT'S PRETTY, IT'S NOT THAT BIG.
BUT I DO HAVE TWO WE WE WE CAN MAKE.
I DO SEE A COUPLE CITIZENS IN THE ROOM, UM, OPEN.
I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO MR. CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS ON, I'M JUST ABSOLUTELY IN AWE OF THE WAY THAT AUSTIN HAS COME IN AND JUST TAKEN THIS OVER AND THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN IT IN ACCESSIBLE TERMS IS WONDERFUL.
UM, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ECHO MR. PETERSON'S COMMENTS.
UH, IT'S NOT JUST 2 88 THAT, UH, IS GETTING TRAFFIC FROM OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY FOR PERSONAL, UH, OBSERVATIONS AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE DURING THE PROJECT ROCKING PUBLIC HEARING WHEN PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTIES WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT EXTRA TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH BUSHLAND TO EXCESS 64.
SO I THINK THE WHOLE TRAFFIC IS MORE OF A REGIONAL PROBLEM.
UM, I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT A SUBDIVISION BEING PLANTED PTAN AT THE INTERSECTION OF 60 AND 5 22 FOR ABOUT 500 HOUSES.
GUESS WHAT? SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE HEADING TOWARDS 64 THROUGH BUTLAND.
SO THIS IS DEFINITELY A REGIONAL PROJECT AND MAYBE IF WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD ONE MORE HOUSE, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE CARS ON OUR ROAD.
SO I THINK THAT BEARS, UH, LOOKING INTO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS.
CAN YOU START WATCH HE'S GETTING INTO IT RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS WAY, UH, THIS IN MY HIERARCHY OF WHAT HIS GOVERNMENT'S SUPPOSED TO DO, UH, TRANSPORTATION'S.
PUBLIC SAFETY, TRANSPORTATION EDUCATION.
SO THE FACT THAT THIS BOARD HAS MADE THE DECISION TO INVEST IN INTERNAL RESOURCES TO ADDRESS THAT NEED IS, IS, UH, GAY.
THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY IS, IS WELL DONE.
I I WILL SAY IN CONSERVATION WE USE A LOT OF ACRONYMS. YOU GUYS WIN? OH YEAH.
MORE ACRONYMS TODAY AND A GLOSSARY THAT PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND DEPART DEFENSE.
A I JUST HAD TO FOLLOW THE ORDERS OF THE PERSON WHO KNEW THE ACRONYMS. I HAVE AN EASY BUT NO THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE INVESTMENT IN TRANSPORTATION CAUSE IT IS A, A CORE SERVICE THAT GOVERNMENT PROVIDES.
UH, AND, AND, UH, THE LIGHT'S BLINKING.
SO
UM, I WILL ADJOURN THIS BOARD'S MEETING UNTIL TUESDAY, JANUARY 3RD AT 1230 FOR OUR AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THEN OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED BUSINESS MEETING AFTER THAT.
SO WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR THE REST OF 2022.