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[00:00:43]

MY MOTHER-IN-LAW GOT, SO THAT WAS GOOD.

KNOW SOMETHING I, OH, THAT'S THE LAST.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

[I. 2:00 PM Call to Order]

UM, LOVE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE FIRST MEETING OF THE G AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN JANUARY 3RD, 2:00 PM BUSINESS MEETING.

UM, WE WILL START THE YEAR OFF RIGHT BY HAVING AN INVOCATION BY, UH, PASTOR DAVID CLARK FOR CALVARY CHAPEL.

UM, AND THEN VICE CHAIR LUMPKINS WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

PLEASE STAND AS YOU'RE ABLE

[II. Invocation]

INVITE YOU TO PRAY WITH ME.

FATHER GOD, WE ARE SO THANKFUL FOR THIS PAST YEAR.

LORD, I KNOW HOW EASY IT IS TO LOOK BACK AND, AND THINK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT MAYBE WE, WE DON'T HAVE, BUT WE ARE SO THANKFUL FOR ALL THE BLESSINGS OF THIS PAST YEAR, ALL THE GIFTS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO US.

AND LORD, WE KNOW THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT THIS YEAR.

SO, FATHER, I PRAY FOR WISDOM FOR ALL THOSE ON THIS BOARD, ALL THOSE THAT HAVE WORDS TO SPEAK.

FATHER, I PRAY THAT ALL THE SUPERVISORS UNDERSTAND AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EVERY VOICE BEHIND EVERY VOICE, THERE'S A PERSON THAT IS STRUGGLING, A PERSON THAT IS IN NEED, THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO MAKE DECISIONS WILL AFFECT NOT ONLY INDIVIDUALS, BUT THIS COUNTY.

SO FATHER, I JUST PRAY THAT YOU GIVE 'EM THE WISDOM THEY NEED AND THE COURAGE THEY NEED TO, TO HAVE A VISION BEYOND WHAT THEY THINK IS POSSIBLE.

BUT WE KNOW THAT IF WE'RE SEEKING YOUR WILL, YOU'LL BE IN IT.

AND FATHER, WE PRAY ALL THESE SINGS IN JESUS NAME.

AMEN.

THANK YOU, PASTOR.

[III. Pledge of Allegiance]

THANK YOU, MR. LUMPKINS.

AS THIS IS OUR ANNUAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, I

[IV. Annual Organizational Meeting]

WILL NOW BE TURNING THE GAVEL OVER TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO, UM, TO WORK ON GETTING THE ELECTIONS FOR THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.

DO I GET TO ACTUALLY USE THE GAVEL? SURE.

, JUST NOT ON ME.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, AS THE, UH, 2023 ORGANIZATIONAL

[1. 5578: Resolution Electing 2023 Chair and Vice-Chair of the Board of Supervisors]

MEETING, I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

I WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR TO ANY NOMINATION FOR CHAIR OF THE BOARD FOR THE 2023 BOARD OF GUCCI COUNTY.

MR. CARPENTER, I NOMINATE, UH, DISTRICT TWO SUPERVISOR NEIL SPOONER, TO CONTINUE IN HIS ROLE AS CHAIR.

HE'S DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB THERE.

SECOND, I'LL SECOND.

VERY GOOD.

SEEING NO OTHER NOMINATIONS.

ASSUMING THERE ARE NONE, I'LL NOW CLOSE, UH, THIS ROLE, AND I'LL CALL THE ROLL.

MS. LASETTE? YES.

MR. PETERSON? YES.

MR. LUMPKINS? YES.

MR. WATTERS? YES.

AND MR. BOHA? YES.

CONGRATULATIONS, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATION FOR VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD FOR THE 2023 YEAR.

I WILL ASK YOUR MOTION FOR THE VICE CHAIR.

UM, SIR, I'D LIKE TO, UH, MOVE THAT WE ELECT VICE CHAIR TO THE VICE CHAIR, UH, CHARLIE WATTERS FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

SO TO OTHER NOMINATIONS, I'LL CLOSE THE FLOOR.

I'LL NOW CALL THE ROLL.

MS. LAS COLLETTE? YES.

MR. PETERSON? YES.

MR. SPOONER? YES.

MR. LUMPKINS? YES.

MR. WATTERS.

STATE? YES.

SO WE CAN BE FIVE.

OH, CONTINUALLY.

VERY GOOD.

CONGRATULATIONS, MR. VICE CHAIR.

I WILL NOW, UH, CLOSE THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING AND RETURN TO THE NEW CHAIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BOARD.

THANK YOU

[00:05:01]

EVERYONE.

UM, NOW WE WILL BE ADOPTING OUR BOARD, UH, CODE OF ETHICS AND OUR STANDARD OF CONDUCT.

AND

[2. 5579: Resolution Adopting Board of Supervisors' 2023 Code of Ethics and]

FOR THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MS. MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ELECTION.

CONTINUING ON AS, UH, CHAIRMAN AND MR. VOD, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AS VICE CHAIR, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.

UH, I SIMPLY PREPARE FOR YOU EVERY YEAR, UH, YOUR ANNUAL CODE OF ETHICS AND STANDARDS OF CONDUCT.

UM, I HAVE NOT PROPOSED ANY CHANGES TO THAT, NOR HAVE YOU ALL SUGGESTED ANY.

BUT ALTHOUGH THIS IS, UH, IN SOME WAYS A RELATIVELY ROTE ACT THAT THE BOARD ENGAGES IN EVERY YEAR, IT'S ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT ONE, UM, BECAUSE IT IS A COMMITMENT BY THIS BOARD TO LIVE AND, UM, PRACTICE ON THE BOARD AND IN YOUR PERSONAL LIVES BY THIS CODE OF ETHIC AND STANDARD OF CONDUCT.

AND SO IT, THE SUGGESTION OF, UH, LAST YEAR'S CHAIR AND THIS YEAR'S CHAIR, MR. SPOON HOWER, UM, UPON YOUR APPROVAL, SHOULD YOU APPROVE THIS ITEM FOR ADOPTION THIS YEAR, WE ALSO HAVE A DISPLAY COPY OF IT FOR YOU TO EACH EXECUTE.

I'LL PASS IT ALONG FOR SIGNATURES, AND, UM, IT'LL BE DISPLAYED, UM, ON THE BACK WALLS, UH, OF THIS ROOM, SO THAT EVERY PERSON WHO COMES IN FOR BUSINESS BEFORE THIS BOARD.

AND SO, AS MR. SPOON HOWER SAYS, AS YOU'RE UP HERE TAKING YOUR, UM, ACTIONS, YOU KNOW WHAT'S VISIBLE BEHIND YOU IS THE THAT CODE AND STANDARD OF ETHICS THAT YOU COMMIT TO.

SO, UM, NO CHANGES PROPOSED, BUT I DO HAVE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THE 2023 CODE OF ETHICS AND STANDARDS OF CONDUCT FOR THE BOARD TO, UH, CONSIDER ADOPTING.

THANK YOU.

MR. MCGEE.

DO I GET A, DO I HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE CODE OF ETHICS AND STANDARDS OF CONDUCT AS PRESENTED.

THANK YOU, MR. LUMPKINS.

SECOND.

THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON.

DISCUSSION.

I DO WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, THIS, WHAT WE'RE DOING, THE, THE SIGNING WHILE MACY CEREMONIAL AND THE POSTING OF IT IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY TO ME PERSONALLY, UH, AS THIS WAS, THIS WAS NOT MY RECOMMENDATION.

THIS WAS ACTUALLY MR. SHARPE'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, LAST YEAR.

AND WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY NOT TO JUST, NOT TO JUST HONOR HIM, BUT TO HAVE A LEGACY THAT, HOPEFULLY A TRADITION THAT WILL LAST.

THAT, UH, HE WAS SUCH A MAN OF THE HIGHEST STANDARDS AND OF CONDUCT THAT, UH, THAT WE WOULD ALL BE REMINDED WHENEVER WE'RE SITTING OUT HERE OF, OF THE, WHAT WE'VE COMMITTED TO.

SO, UM, LIKE THAT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL CALL FOR A REAL CALL VOTE.

MR. VAERS? UH, YES.

MR. PETERSON? YES.

MR. LUMPKINS? YES.

MS. VA.

MS. LASETTE? YES.

MR. BOHA? YES.

AND IF YOU JUST BEAR WITH US WHILE WE GO THROUGH, MRS. MS. MCGEE'S GOING TO SEND THAT DOWN AND WE'RE GONNA, I'LL SIGN IT.

I SHOULD HAVE SENT A MANNY ALVAREZ PEN WITH IT, BUT I WOULD NEVER PART WITH ONE OF THOSE.

SO, AND MS. LASETTE, IF YOU HAND THAT TO MS. BISQUE, WHICH SHE'S GONNA HANDLE GETTING THAT MOUNTED AND, UM, ON, ON THE BACK WALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

BOARD.

UH, NOW WE'LL MOVE INTO ADOPTION OF OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES.

AGAIN, MS. MCGEE? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE? UM,

[3. 5582: Resolution Adopting Board of Supervisors' 2023 Rules of Procedure]

THERE'S ONLY, UH, I RE MADE A RECOMMENDATION OF ONE CHANGE FOR THIS YEAR'S RULES HAVING TO DO WITH A THAI VOTE.

UM, AS A GOVERNING BODY, WHEN SOMETHING COMES BEFORE YOU, IN ORDER TO HAVE ACTION ON IT, AT LEAST A MAJORITY OF YOU HAVE TO, TO VOTE ON IT.

BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYTHING IN OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE ABOUT A THAI VOTE.

AND SO I WENT AHEAD, THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE CLEAR TO EVERYONE IF THAT GOT PUT IN.

IN ADDITION, IN THE CASE OF LAND USE APPLICATIONS, WHICH SHOULD THEY HAVE THE UNFORTUNATE SITUATION OF COMING FORWARD WHEN THERE WERE ONLY FOUR OF YOU VOTING, IF IT DIDN'T PASS ON THE FIRST VOTE, UM, IF THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THEY COULD DO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR BEFORE THEY COULD COME BACK WITH AN APPLICATION.

SO, AT THE SUGGESTION OF, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, MS. LAS GLUT IN PARTICULAR, IT MAKES A SPECIFIC FINDING THAT IF IN THE CASE OF A THAI VOTE THERE, SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER ACTION, THAT THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE.

[00:10:01]

UM, SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T UNEXPECTEDLY SORT OF HAVE A, A THAI VOTE TO FEED A, A LAND USE APPLICATION.

SO THAT'S JUST PUT BEEN, I SUGGESTED TO PUT IN YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE TO BE AS CLEAR AS THE PROCESS AND THE PROCEDURE, UM, AS CAN BE.

AND I HAVE THAT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU, MS. MCGEE.

ANY, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION? UM, I MOVE THE BOARD, APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, ADOPTING THE 2023 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RULES AND PROCEDURE AS PRESENTED.

SECOND.

THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIR OF OTTERS.

THANK YOU, MS. LASETTE.

ANY DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL VOTE.

MR. PETERSON? YES.

MR. LUMPKIN? YES.

MR. WATTERS? YES.

MS. LASETTE? YES.

MR. SPOONER? YES.

NOW, WE'LL, WE WILL BE MOVING ON TO THE RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS 2023 MEETING SCHEDULE, WHICH HAS BEEN POSTED

[4. 5580: Resolution Establishing the Board of Supervisors’ 2023 Meeting Schedule]

ANY DISCUSSION OR MOTION? UM, I, I DO.

MR. CHAIR? YES.

UM, YES.

THE ONLY, UM, WE, WE DID CHANGE A COUPLE THINGS THIS YEAR.

WE'VE GOT JULY, UH, OR JULY MEETING IS MOVED TO MONDAY BECAUSE OF JULY 4TH IS ON A TUESDAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

OKAY.

AND THEN IT'S NOT MOVED.

NO, NO, NO.

I'M SORRY.

NO, NO.

IT'S THE MEETING.

YOUR JULY MEETING IS MOVED TO MONDAY, JULY 3RD, CUZ TUESDAY, JULY 4TH IS A COUNTY HOLIDAY.

RIGHT.

AND IT'S NOT MOVED TO WEDNESDAY, LIKE SOME OTH OTHERS HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THAT'S THE RAIN DATE.

RAIN DATE CONTRACT.

OKAY.

JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

UH, THE OTHER ITEM I HAVE IS THE AUGUST 1ST MEETING.

UM, OUR MEETINGS HAVE GENERALLY BEEN 2:00 PM AND 6:00 PM UM, AND WHEN WE CHANGED, WE USED TO HAVE HAVE IT AT THREE AND SEVEN.

SO WHEN WE CHANGED TO TWO AND SIX, WE NO LONGER IN AUGUST CAN GO TO THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE THE AUGUST 1ST EVENING MEETING FROM 6:00 PM TO 7:00 PM TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THAT IF WE WISH THE EVENING START TIME, THE EVENING START TIME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MS. LASETTE.

SO I'LL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CALENDAR WITH THAT ONE.

CHANGE SECOND.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSE.

THE MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT.

NOW, UM, WE WILL BE MOVING RIGHT ON TO THE RESOLUTION ADOPTING OUR 2023 CODE OF ETHICS AND STANDARD OF CONDUCT FOR COUNTY APPOINTEES.

[5. 5581: Resolution adopting the 2023 Code of Ethics and Standards of Conduct for]

YES.

SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, YOU, UM, RECOGNIZED THAT YOU FOLLOW A CODE OF ETHICS AND A STANDARD OF CONDUCT THAT SIMILAR, UH, REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THE COUNTY HR POLICIES FOR EMPLOYEES TO FOLLOW, BUT THAT THERE ARE A LARGE NUMBER OF, UH, RESIDENTS WHO APPOINTED TO COUNTY COMMITTEES WHO DO, UM, REPRESENT GLAND COUNTY.

AND YOU CHOSE TO, UM, HAVE A SIMILAR CODE OF ETHICS AND STANDARDS OF CONDUCT ADOPTED FOR ALL THOSE APPOINTEES.

AND SO IT'S TWO YEARS AGO THAT, THAT YOU INITIATED THAT AND IT'S NOW BECOME A PART OF YOUR ANNUAL MEETING.

NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN PROPOSED TO THAT DOCUMENT.

UM, OTHER THAN THAT, IT BE, UH, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SENT OUT AS PEOPLE ARE APPOINTED ON TO YOUR BOARD SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF IT.

AND THAT'S BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU, MS. MCGEE.

ALRIGHT.

ANY, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION? UH, MS. CHAIR, I MOVED THAT THE BOARD APPROVED THE RESOLUTION, ADOPTED THE 2023 CODE OF ETHICS AND STANDARD OF CONDUCT FOR COUNTY EMPLOYEES, UH, APPOINTEES, COUNTY APPOINTEES AS PRESENTED.

THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON.

SECOND.

THANK YOU, MS. LASETTE.

ANY DISCUSSION? MR. CARPENTER? ROLL CALL.

VOTE PLEASE.

MR. BALDERS? YES.

MR. LUMPKINS? YES.

MR. PETERSON? YES.

MS. LASETTE? YES.

MR. SPOONY? YES, PLEASE.

FOR THE RECORD? UH, BOTH MS. LASETTE AND MR. VARS VOTED YES.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, NOW WE MOVE INTO MY CHAIR'S COMMENTS.

UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE, UH, ANYTHING REALLY

[V. Chair's Comments]

PREPARED.

UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PITHY AND WISDOM, LIKE I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU.

UM, UH, LIKE I SAID, UH, LAST YEAR, UH, THIS WAS THE BEST ROLE I'VE EVER HAD.

SO I'M HONORED TO BE ABLE TO SERVE IN THIS CAPACITY AGAIN, AND I, I HUMBLY THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH MR. VAERS AND, UM, AND WORKING VERY HARD FOR NOT JUST THIS BOARD, FOR EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE TO JUST, UH, HOPE EVERYONE ENJOYED THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

AND, UM, I WOULD ESPECIALLY LIKE TO THANK

[00:15:01]

THOSE THAT, UH, REMAINED ON DUTY, UH, AS WE WERE ABLE TO CELEBRATE HOPEFULLY WITH OUR LOVED ONES.

UM, IT WAS A VERY BUSY TIME FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, SO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR DEDICATION.

UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TIME TO THANK THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAT MOVED THEIR VACATIONS AROUND TO ENSURE THAT, UM, THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT CONTINUES TO FUNCTION.

UM, AND A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO, UH, THOSE FOLKS WORKING AT OUR CONVENIENCE CENTERS.

UM, THE AMAZON EFFECT WAS IN FULL FORCE AS I MADE TWO TRIPS TO THE WESTERN CONVENIENCE CENTER DURING, AND, UM, THEY WERE EXTREMELY BUSY.

SO THANK ALL THOSE THAT ARE, UM, THAT IT WORKS SERVING THAT CAPACITY.

AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

UM, RIGHT NOW, UH, IT IS MY ABSOLUTE HONOR TO PRESENT A RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING

[VI. Presentation of Resolution Recognizing Dale W. Agnew Upon Her Retirement]

DALE AGNEW UPON HER RETIREMENT, WHICH WAS EFFECTIVE JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO.

SO, MS. AGNO, IF YOU MEET ME UP FRONT AND MS. MS IF YOU COULD PLEASE READ THE RESOLUTION.

WHEREAS DALE W AGNEW, A DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVANT, RETIRED AS GUC COUNTY CLERK OF CIRCUIT COURT ON JANUARY 1ST, 2023, AFTER MORE THAN 40 YEARS OF EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND WHEREAS DALE AGNEW BEGAN WORKING AS A DEPUTY CLERK IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE ON SEPTEMBER 13TH, 1982, BECAME CHIEF DEPUTY CLERK IN 1992, APPOINTED CLERK IN 2014 TO FILL THE UNEXPIRED TERM OF LEE TURNER AND ELECTED FOR AN EIGHT YEAR TERM IN 2015.

AND WHEREAS DALE AGNEW ENHANCED THE PROFESSIONALISM AND THE OPERATIONAL CAPABILITIES OF THE GUC AND KIRK'S OFFICE BY UPGRADING AND EXPANDING TECHNOLOGY IN OUR OFFICE AND IN THE COURTROOM, AND ADVOCATING FOR COMPETITIVE PAY FOR DEPUTY CLERKS.

AND WHEREAS UNDER DALE AGNEW'S LEADERSHIP, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN GRANT FUNDS WERE OBTAINED TO PRESERVE OLD DEED BOOKS AND PLAT BOOKS.

THE RECORD ROOM WAS TOTALLY REORGANIZED TO SAVE NEEDED SPACE, AND HER OFFICE RECEIVED AN EXEMPLARY AUDIT FROM THE VIRGINIA AUDITOR OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS EVERY YEAR.

WHEREAS DALE AGNEW FURTHER SERVED THE CITIZENS OF GLAND COUNTY BY VOLUNTEERING HER TIME AND LEADERSHIP.

AND NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE GLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THAT THEY HEREBY COMMEND DALE AGNEW ON THE OCCASION OF HER RETIREMENT AS CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT OF GLAND COUNTY, AND BE IT RESOLVED FURTHER THAT THE CLERK OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PREPARE A COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION FOR PRESENTATION TO DALE AGNEW AS AN EXPRESSION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR HER COMMITMENT TO SERVING THE RESIDENTS OF GLAND COUNTY AND BEST WISHES ON HER WELL-EARNED RETIREMENT.

YES.

WELL, Y'ALL ARE PUTTING THE PRESSURE ON US TO PASS THIS , MR. CHAIR, UH, MOVE THAT WE, UH, PROVED THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

SECOND.

THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

JUST PLEASE.

YEAH.

UM, THANK YOU TO THE BOARD FOR THIS RECOGNITION TODAY.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

UM, THIS IS SORT OF BITTERSWEET LEAVING THE OFFICE AFTER 40 YEARS, BUT MOSTLY SWEET .

UM, THE ONLY BITTERNESS IS THE FACT THAT I'M LEAVING MY CLERK FAMILY, WHICH I LOVE SO MUCH.

I HAVE THE BEST STAFF THAT ANYONE HAS EVER HAD, UM, THAT, AND I'M GONNA MISS THEM.

HOW ABOUT THEY GOING, THEY INVITED ME BACK TO VISIT WHENEVER I'D LIKE SO , BUT I LEAVE, UM, WITH GREAT SATISFACTION KNOWING THAT THE OFFICES WILL BE IN GOOD HANDS.

THE DEPUTY CLERKS ARE WELL TRAINED, THEY'RE INTELLIGENT.

UM, THEY HAVE A TRUE SERVANT'S HEART IS WHAT I HAVE FOUND.

AND, UM, I KNOW UNDER, UH, AMANDA ADAMS' LEADERSHIP AS CLERK THAT, UM, THE COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE WILL CONTINUE.

AND SO YOUR CLERK'S OFFICE IS IN GREAT HANDS.

THANK YOU.

THANK,

[00:20:13]

CAN WE, CAN WE DO THE WHOLE BOARD? THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

THE YES, PLEASE.

THE WHOLE BOARD WOULD.

YES.

SURE.

THANK, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

CONGRATULATIONS.

LITTLE RISERS IN THE FUTURE.

.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S JUST OUTSTANDING.

OKAY.

NOW WE ARE MOVING ON TO A PRESENTATION OF THE FBI, LAW ENFORCEMENT EXECUTIVE

[VII. Presentation of FBI – Law Enforcement Executive Development Association (FBILEEDA)]

DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION.

UM, OF COURSE THEY HAVE AN ACRONYM, FBI LEADER AGENCY TRILOGY AWARD TO GLAND COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

WELCOME, SIR.

AND IF YOU COULD JUST PRESS THE BUTTON TO TURN THE LIGHT GREEN.

THERE YOU GO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? ? VERY WELL.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M RETIRED.

SHERIFF I EDWARDS, JR.

OF CLARK COUNTY IN ATHENS, GEORGIA.

AND BY THE WAY, GODOG, I'M SORRY, .

I'M ALSO PRESIDENT AND INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR F B I LEADER, UH, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE YOUR PREMIER SHERIFF'S OFFICE THIS AFTERNOON.

THE GLAND COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS 56 SWORN FULL-TIME DEPUTIES AND 21 CIVILIANS WHO WORK 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK TO KEEP YOUR CITIZENS SAFE IN PERUSING YOUR WEBSITE.

UH, ON YESTERDAY MORNING, UH, THERE WERE TWO OF THE CORE VALUES THAT STOOD OUT.

AND THEY WERE THAT YOU VALUED TREATING OTHERS AS YOU WOULD WANT YOUR OWN FAMILY TO BE TREATED, WHICH DRIVES YOUR INTERACTIONS WITH ALL RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND VISITORS TO GLAND COUNTY.

SECONDLY, YOU VALUE ORGANIZATIONAL EXCELLENCE.

THIS AFTERNOON, WE CELEBRATE THIS MILESTONE THAT SHERIFF CREASEY AND THE GLAND SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.

FBI LEADER PRESENTS LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES WHOSE ENTIRE COMMAND STAFF, INCLUDING THE AGENCY HEAD, AND THAT INCLUDES YOUR SHERIFF AND THE FBI LEADER TRILOGY LEADERSHIP SERIES.

SO, IN OTHER WORDS, TO SHERIFF WHO LED BY EXAMPLE ALONG WITH HIS MAJOR, HIS CAPTAINS AND HIS LIEUTENANTS ALL WENT THROUGH AND OBTAINED THE TRILOGY SERIES CLASSES.

SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 2018, 63 AGENCIES, WHICH NOW INCLUDES YOUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ARE NOW GIVEN THIS TRILOGY AWARD.

SO ON BEHALF OF FBI LEADER AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, IT IS MY DISTINCT PLEASURE TO PRESENT SHERIFF CREASEY AND THE GUC SHERIFF'S OFFICE WITH THE AGENCY TRILOGY AWARD.

SHERIFF, IF YOU COULD COME FORTH ALONG WITH YOUR OTHER COMMAND STAFF SHERIFF, THIS AGENCY TRILOGY AWARD SAYS THE FOLLOWING, IN RECOGNITION OF GLAND COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR DEDICATION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERSHIP AS DEMONSTRATED BY ALL COMMAND STAFF COMPLETING THE FBI LEADER TRILOGY SERIES.

SIGNED BY YOURS, TRULY RETIRED SHERIFF IRA EDWARDS, BOARD PRESIDENT.

CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

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CAN YOU GET A PICTURE OVER HERE SO THAT WE CAN SURE.

YEAH.

BOARD.

UH, JUST A COUPLE QUICK WORDS.

I JUST WANTED TO THANK SHERIFF EDWARDS FOR COMING DOWN HERE, UH, OR COMING UP HERE TODAY AND JUST SAID IT MEANS A LOT THAT HE CAME UP HERE.

HE ACTUALLY FLEW IN FROM GEORGIA TODAY, AND HE'S FLYING OUT TODAY.

SO THAT SHOWS HOW IMPORTANT THIS TRAINING AND THIS PROGRAM IS TO SHERIFF EDWARDS, ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER AGENCIES NATIONWIDE.

UH, THIS IS, IF YOU REMEMBER ME TALKING ABOUT ONE TIME WHEN WE HOSTED FBI LEADER INTERNAL AFFAIRS, JUST, UH, ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO.

THIS IS THE PROGRAM.

THIS IS PART OF THE PROGRAM.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, THIS IS A TEAM EFFORT.

UH, WHO DID THIS? ALL THE COMMAND STAFF.

THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE IN THE BACK ROOM AS EVEN THE DISPATCHERS WHO ARE GOING THROUGH THIS TRAINING CURRENTLY.

UH, IT IS NOT GONNA STOP WITH COMMAND STAFF DOING IT.

IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THE RANKS FOR THIS TRAINING.

IT IS SOME OF THE BEST LEADERSHIP TRAINING I'VE EVER BEEN TO, AND I BELIEVE IN IT AND IT'S WORKING.

SO THANK YOU.

YOU CAN'T GET MUCH BETTER THAN THAT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SHERIFF.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, AND THANK YOU, UH, VERY MUCH.

YES, SIR.

SAFE TRIAL COUNTY.

ALSO, BY THE WAY, THANK YOU.

I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW YOU ALL STARTED WITH THE INVOCATION AND THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

THAT'S REFRESHING.

THANK YOU.

THERE YOU GO.

STATE TRIAL.

WE THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY.

UH, AT THIS TIME IT IS, UH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MR. CARPENTER.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

[VIII. County Administrator's Comments]

I WANTED TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS TONIGHT.

UH, RELATED TO, UH, SOME STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT OUR PREVIOUS BOARD MEETING IN DECEMBER.

DURING THE DECEMBER MEETING OF THE GUCCI COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, CONCERNS WERE RAISED ABOUT THE WAY GUCCI COUNTY STAFF HAD RESPONDED TO A PROJECT THAT WAS INITIATED BY THE HUMANITARIAN AMBASSADORS OF AMERICA AND THE CEREMONIAL GROUNDBREAKING FOR THE GARDENS OF TRANQUILITY PROJECT, WHICH IS LOCATED THE SITE OF THE FORMER RURAL OF VIRGINIAN GOLF CLUB.

THOUGH THE CITIZENS EXPRESSED SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONCERNS THAT DAY, I'M ONLY ABLE TO COMMENT ON THOSE THAT WERE DIRECTED AT COUNTY STAFF.

THE FIRST CONCERN STATED WAS THE ABSENCE OF KEY COUNTY STAFF AT THE GROUNDBREAKING ITSELF.

FOR THAT, I APOLOGIZE.

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING PRESENT.

AND I ALWAYS TRY TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY WHENEVER I POSSIBLY CAN AT EVENTS OF COMMUNITY IMPORTANCE.

UH, IN THIS CASE, THE INVITATION WAS RECEIVED SHORTLY BEFORE THE SCHEDULED EVENT, AND IT WAS DIRECTED AT SPECIFIC PLANNING STAFF MEMBERS.

AND THEY HAD NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT MYSELF AND ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD WAS NOT RECEIVING A SEPARATE INVITATION.

AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE WE ALL CONSIDER SUCH EVENTS TO BE OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND IT IS ALWAYS OUR INTENTION AND DESIRE TO BE PRESENT AT EVERY SIGNIFICANT EVENT IN THE LIVES OF OUR COMMUNITY.

IT WAS ALSO STATED THAT A ASSIGNED MACHINE INDICATING, UH, THAT GUCCI COUNTY ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT WANT YOU HERE, I CAN CATEGORICALLY STATE THAT NO ONE FROM THE GUCCI COUNTY STAFF HAS OR WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SUCH AN ACTOR STATEMENT.

OUR COUNTY STAFF ARE HERE TO SERVE ALL CITIZENS, AND WE DO SO WITH PRIDE.

WHOMEVER WOULD'VE PUT UP SUCH A SIGN HAD NO CONNECTION OR AFFILIATION WITH GIN COUNTY STAFF.

IT WAS STATED THAT COUNTY STAFF REQUIRED BUILDING PERMITS FOR TWO PROJECTS.

UH, ONE WAS A ROOF REPAIR AND ONE WAS TO DETACH A DECK, WHICH TO THE BEST OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PRESENTERS AFTER THEY HAD SPOKEN WITH THEIR CONTRACTORS, WE HAD NEVER BEFORE REQUIRED.

I REVIEWED BOTH THOSE PROJECTS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN THAT PROCESS.

AND IT'S EVIDENT THAT THE ORIGINAL REQUESTS FOR A ROOF REPAIR, WHICH WE RECEIVED, WAS NOT IN FACT WHAT ULTIMATELY WAS NEEDED.

UH, THE EXISTING STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WAS COMPLETELY REMOVED, AND AN ASPHALT SINGLE ROOF WAS REPLACED IN ITS PLACE, UH, THAT IS THE ROOF REPLACEMENT, AND IT WOULD REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

AND THERE ARE NUMEROUS EXAMPLES IN GUCCI COUNTY, UH, WHERE WE WOULD ALWAYS REQUIRE ANY CITIZEN AND HAVE REQUIRED CITIZENS TO GET A PERMIT FOR SUCH A PROJECT.

THE SECOND PROJECT OF ATTACHING A DECK, AGAIN, UPON REVIEWING IT, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST TO ATTACH A DECK IS NOT WHAT ULTIMATELY WAS NEEDED AS THE ENTIRE DECK WAS DEMOLISHED.

AND AGAIN, THERE ARE NUMEROUS EXAMPLES IN GUCCI COUNTY, UH, THAT IF A DECK IS DEMOLISHED OR ANY STRUCTURE IS DEMOLISHED, THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

SO IN BOTH THOSE CASES, UH, STAFF'S

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INITIAL, UH, REQUEST UPON, UH, DETERMINING WHAT WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED WERE FORCED AND WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AND REQUEST A BUILDING PERMIT FROM THE APPLICANT.

SO NOW, HAVING SAID THIS, I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR.

UM, I HAVE, AND I'LL ALWAYS TAKE SERIOUSLY ANY ALLEGATION OF IMPROPER ACTIONS TAKEN BY A MEMBER AGAINST A MEMBER OF THE GUCCI COUNTY TEAM.

WE ARE PROFESSIONALS WHO TREAT EVERYONE WITH RESPECT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO AND DESERVE.

IN THIS INSTANCE, OUR TEAM ACTED CORRECTLY AND PROPERLY.

HOWEVER, I'LL ALWAYS BE CONCERNED IF ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY FEELS THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING SERVED THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE.

SO, I WILL ALWAYS WORK TO ENSURE THAT THE TEAM IS TRUE TO OUR PRINCIPLES AND WILL REITERATE MY DESIRE TO ENSURE THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND ALL CITIZENS ARE ALWAYS OPEN, POSITIVE, AND ONGOING.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CARPENTER.

OKAY.

BOARD, UM, ARE THERE ANY REQUEST TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEMS AND, AND OR DELETIONS,

[IX. Requests to Postpone Agenda Items and Additions, Deletions or Changes in the]

ADDITIONS, OR CHANGES IN THE ORDER OF PRESENTATION? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO WE SEEING NONE.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.

UM, THIS IS FOR A TIME FOR CITIZENS

[X. Citizen Comment]

TO COME AND SPEAK TO ISSUES REGARDING GUEN COUNTY THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA.

UM, PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, GIVE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND PLEASE SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.

GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M WENDY HOBBS, AND I LIVE IN SANDY HOOK.

AND I WANT TO SAY TO MR. CARPENTER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR STATEMENT THAT YOU MADE TODAY.

UM, I TALKED WITH MR. SPOON, HOWER, AND I'M SURE MR. SHABAKA DID TOO, EXPLAINING THAT YOU ALL WERE INVESTIGATING THESE CLAIMS. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT'S THE EXPECTATION THAT WE HAD WOULD OCCUR.

UM, I DID SHARE WITH MR. SPOON HOWER, THOUGH THAT I DO NEED TO GET BACK WITH DR.

SIMMONS.

SO I NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM YOU ALL TO FOLLOW UP WITH HER.

THE OTHER THING I WANNA SAY IS I DID TALK TO DR.

SIMMONS.

SHE'S PROBABLY TUNING IN RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK TO, UM, SHARE THE INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED WITH US.

AND SHE IS HAPPY.

UM, I THINK IT'S CRYSTAL SHARED HER BUSINESS CARD WITH US THE LAST MEETING, AND SHE'S HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU ALL AND YOUR STAFF AS YOU DESIGNATE.

UM, I, SHE ASKED ME TO SET THAT MEETING UP, AND MY PLATE IS OFTEN FULL, SO IT WILL BE SOMETIME THIS MONTH, BUT I WILL BE REACHING OUT TO YOU TO GET THAT MEETING SCHEDULED BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT DR.

SIMMONS GET TO TALK WITH YOU ALL DIRECT AND PERSONALLY.

UM, THE OTHER THING I WANNA SAY BEFORE I LEAVE THE PODIUM IS I CANNOT GET BACK TO THE SIX O'CLOCK MEETING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO DO THE NEW SCHOOL, AND I JUST WANT TOAND AS A TAX PAYING CITIZENS AND SAY, I KNOW IT'S MORE MONEY, BUT THAT IS EVERYWHERE WE GO IS MORE MONEY.

I DO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND ASK THAT YOU ALL SUPPORT THE SCHOOL IN MEETING THE GOALS BECAUSE THE GIN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, AND THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

SO I AM ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF WHAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BRINGS FORTH.

AND FINALLY, AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING.

I'M GONNA ATTEND THAT MEETING WITH DR.

SIMMONS.

UM, BUT IF I CAN GET A COPY OF YOUR FINDINGS FROM YOUR INVESTIGATION, I APPRECIATE IT, SO THAT I CAN FINALIZE MY PAPERWORK.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MS. HOUSE.

ANYONE ELSE FOR CITIZEN COMMENT? GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

JONATHAN LAU 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.

UM, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO JUST START OFF BY SAYING THANK YOU.

UM, LAST YEAR WAS, AS ALL YEARS ARE, WERE CHALLENGING, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK AND THE EFFORT THAT THE BOARD PUT IN.

UH, I WON'T STAND HERE AND BLOW SMOKE AND SAY, I APPRECIATED EVERY OUTCOME OF EVERY VOTE THAT YOU TOOK.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT AND THE PROCESS THAT YOU PUT INTO EVERYTHING.

I ALSO WANNA MAKE A SPECIAL NOTE AND COMMENT TO, UH, MS. AGNEW.

I KNOW SHE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING, BUT YOU KNOW, GUCCI COUNTY IS, UH, 280 MILES, SQUARE MILES OF AREA, BUT THE COUNTY IS REALLY, ITS PEOPLE.

AND WHEN YOU SEE SOMEBODY WHO IS INVESTED 40 YEARS INTO,

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UH, GUC COUNTY, I THINK THAT IS COMMENDABLE.

I THINK IT'S NOTABLE, AND I PERSONALLY HAVE BENEFITED FROM THE EFFORT THAT SHE HAS PUT IN.

UM, I ALSO WANNA MAKE SUSPICIOUS ALSO COMMENTS ON LAST YEAR, MAYBE AS A PRECURSOR TO THIS YEAR, TO THE SUPPORT THE BOARD HAS GIVEN TO THE AGRICULTURE COMMUNITY.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE ARE A AGRICULTURAL FOCUSED, OR HISTORIC RURAL, I BELIEVE MAYBE MR. LUMPKIN'S COUNTY.

UH, BUT, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS OFTEN OVERLOOKED JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE AGRICULTURAL FOLKS SHOW UP TO A, A LOT OF MEETINGS AND, AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE ALWAYS WELL SERVED WHEN I'M THE ONLY VOICE HERE, UH, ADVOCATING FOR AGRICULTURE.

UM, I WILL MENTION THAT THE MON DISTRICT DID, UH, LOSE TO RETIREMENT.

ONE OF OUR DIRECTORS, MR. AYERS, UH, SERVED 12 YEARS.

HE WAS, UH, AN APPOINTED DIRECTOR FROM, UH, PALATAN.

WE WILL MISS HIM.

I STRUGGLED TO SEE HIM STAY ON AS AN ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR, BUT, UM, HE'S, HE'S REALLY RETIRED NOW, AND HE'S TAKING RIVER CRUISES AND THINGS FUN LIKE THAT.

BUT THE GOOD NEWS IN SOME RESPECTS IS THAT SEBASTIAN VOLKER, A GLAND RESIDENT, HAS BEEN APPOINTED TO THAT POSITION.

SO IF ANYBODY'S KEEPING SCORE, GUCCI NOW HAS FOUR DIRECTORS OUTTA SIX, UH, IF WE COUNT OUR EXTENSION AGENTS.

SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT PEAN SHOULD FEEL THREATENED, BUT, UH, WE CERTAINLY HAVE GUC AND PEAN'S INTERESTS AT HEART WHEN IT COMES TO THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE SUPPORT THAT YOU'VE SHOWN THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY.

BUT MORE BROADLY, WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY.

UM, I MADE A COMMENT IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER COUNTIES DO, BUT I'M VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF WHAT YOU ALL DO HERE IN GUC.

THANKS SO MUCH.

THANK YOU, MR. TEAM.

ANYONE ELSE FOR CITIZEN COMMENT? OKAY.

UH, NOT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 11.

IF I'M

[XI. Approval of Action Minutes]

READING MY ROMANS RIGHT AS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 29TH JOINT WORK SESSION AND THE DECEMBER 6TH, 2020 SECOND, UH, WORK SESSION BOARD.

HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THESE.

ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 29TH AND DECEMBER 6TH, 2022 MEETINGS SECOND.

THANK YOU BOTH.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

NOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO OUR REPORTS.

UH,

[XII. Reports]

AS TYPICAL, WE HAVE OUR FRIENDS FROM VDOT HERE WHO WILL BE UP, UP FIRST.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF

[1. VDOT: December Report to be presented at meeting]

THE BOARD, UH, MARSHALL WYNN WITH VDOT.

UH, THIS PAST MONTH WE HAD 166 WORK ORDERS COMPLETED 199, UH, HAD EIGHT OUTS, UH, OVER THE MONTH DOING THE SAME MAINTENANCE WORK, POTHOLE REPAIR, UH, GRADING ON HARD SURFACE ROAD, SHOULDER REPAIR, PIPE INSTALL INSTALLATIONS, DITCH WORK.

UH, THE BIG ITEM WAS DECEMBER 23RD WITH THE WIND WE HAD, WE WERE OUT ALL DAY, UH, WITH CREWS MOVING TREES, SO TRAVEL COULD BE SAFE STILL, PROBABLY IN THE PROCESS OF CLEANING UP SOME OF THAT DEBRIS.

UM, I'M JUST GLAD IT DIDN'T TURN COLD FASTER.

SO WE WERE VERY LUCKY WITH THAT.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN A ICE STORM, IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANOTHER JANUARY 3RD SNOWSTORM.

SO, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

UH, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. SPOON IER, PLEASE GET BACK WITH ME ABOUT THAT CITIZEN YOU WERE TALKING TO ME ABOUT LAST WEEK, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

OH, THAT'S A GIVEN.

OKAY.

.

NO, IT'S, IT'S GOOD.

IT'S, IT'S ALL GOOD, SIR.

OKAY.

UH, BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

LAST QUESTION.

UH, MR. WYNN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, SO THE, THE FAIRGROUND ROAD, OKAY, SO THE FAIRGROUND ROAD STUDY, YOU'RE STILL ON TRACK FOR EARLY 23, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND, UM, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM.

, ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU.

HAPPY NEW YEAR, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CREWS AS WELL BEING OUT, UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, OUR ROADS ARE SAFE FOR US TO TRAVELS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TOGETHER.

MR. CARPENTER MADE A GOOD POINT.

YOU, YOU ALL ARE FIRST RESPONDERS, SO

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THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ON OUR REPORTS WE HAVE ARE DIRECTOR OF HR SALI DYSON TO TALK ABOUT NEW COUNTY STAFF.

[2. 5597: Introduction of New County Staff]

HAPPY NEW YEAR BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

UM, AGAIN, I'M SALI DYSON.

I AM HERE TO DO THE INTRODUCTION OF OUR NEW COUNTY STAFF.

UH, LET'S SEE.

OKAY, SO, GOT RID MY GLASSES THIS TIME.

UM, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION IS PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE NEW HIRES AND PROMOTIONS IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY FOR THE FOLLOWING DEPARTMENT'S, ANIMAL PROTECTION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FIRE AND RESCUE, AND PUBLIC UTILITIES.

ON DECEMBER 1ST, 2022, CHANCE ROBINSON JOINED THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.

IN THIS ROLE, HIS PRIMARY DUTIES WOULD BE TO IMPROVE PROGRAM DESIGNS TO RETAIN BUSINESSES IN GLAND COUNTY.

MR. ROBINSON HAS OVER TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD, AND MOST RECENTLY WAS EMPLOYED BY INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATE, WHERE HE EXECUTED RESEARCH ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TRENDS, BEST PRACTICES, AND CASE STUDIES.

ON DECEMBER 8TH, 2022, DR.

ERICA DESLER JOINED THE DEPARTMENT OF ANIMAL PROTECTION AS A PART-TIME VETERINARIAN.

IN HER ROLE AS A VETERINARIAN, SHE WILL PROVIDE DIAGNOSTIC, PRE PREVENTATIVE VETERINARY CARE SERVICES TO ANIMALS, HOUSING GLAND ANIMAL PROTECTION.

MS. DESLER COMES TO GLAND COUNTY WITH EIGHT YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD.

SHE PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS A VOLUNTEER, LET ME TRY TO GET THIS.

THERE WE GO.

SHE PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS A VOLUNTEER FOR GOIN ANIMAL PROTECTION AND HAS NOW JOINED THE TEAM AS A PART-TIME STAFF MEMBER.

NEXT WE HAVE CAL HUK.

ON JANUARY 1ST, 2023, CAL HUTTON WAS PROMOTED TO FIRE LIEUTENANT PARAMEDIC.

HE HAS A CAREER, I'M SORRY.

HE HAS BEEN A CAREER MEMBER WITH THE DEPARTMENT FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS, COMING TO US WITH SEVERAL YEARS AS PRIOR VOLUNTEER SERVICE WITH CHESTERFIELD COUNTY AND EMS. LIEUTENANT HUDDLESTON ALSO WORKS PART-TIME FOR EMERGENCY SERVICE SOLUTIONS, AND IN THE PAST HAS WORKED IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AT B C U MEDICAL CENTER.

NEXT, WE HAVE MR. MICHAEL HARRIS JOIN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC UTILITIES ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2022, AS A UTILITIES OPERATOR.

TWO, WITH OVER 17 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD.

IN HIS ROLE, HE WILL PERFORM OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE ON THE COUNTY'S PUBLIC WATER DISTRIBUTION AND SEWAGE COLLECTION AND CONVEYANCE SYSTEMS. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL.

SO I BELIEVE YOU BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT LIEUTENANT IS HERE AS WELL.

MS. ELSTON WOULD STAND, PLEASE, ACTUALLY, PLEASE STAND.

WELCOME TO THE COUNTY, EVERYONE WELCOME AND, AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE PRO PROMOS, ESPECIALLY.

LOVE 'EM.

WE GET 'EM FROM ANOTHER COUNTY .

THEY MAY BE WATCHING US, SO BE CAREFUL, .

ALL RIGHT.

UM, NEXT UP, UH, THE NEXT TWO REPORTS ARE IN YOUR, THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD OF ZONING, APPEALS AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, ANNUAL REPORT, AND THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORT.

[3. 5607: Planning Commission, Board of Zoning Appeals and Design Review]

ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE REPORTS BOARD? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

AND NOW WE'LL BE MOVING.

WHERE AM I TO BROADBAND, MR. DRUMRIGHT? GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, PAUL DRUMRIGHT, COMMUNITY

[6. Broadband]

AFFAIRS MANAGER.

AND, UH, AT YOUR PLACE, THERE WAS A WRITTEN BROADBAND REPORT FOR YOU.

UM, WE'RE GONNA JUST GO THROUGH JUST A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS ON THAT.

UH, I KNOW YOU HAVE A BUSY AFTERNOON, SO DON'T WANNA TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME.

UM, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE OR SERVED BY CVEC CURRENTLY ARE AVAILABLE TO GET BROADBAND.

SO ALL THOSE AREAS, THEY CAN GET FIBER BROADBAND RIGHT NOW FROM FIREFLY FIBER BROADBAND, UM, MOVING INTO SOME MORE AND MORE, UH, OTHER AREAS.

THE RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC CO-OP PORTION OF THE RISE PROJECT HAS FULLY MOVED INTO THE FIBER BUILD STAGE.

UM, WE'VE GOTTEN REPORTS OF CITIZEN SEEING FIBER BEING BUILT OUT INTO THEIR AREAS, AND THEY'RE ECSTATIC TO SEE THAT HAPPENING.

UH, WE JUST REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THAT'S THE MAIN LINE FIBER BACKBONE BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.

THERE IS GONNA BE FIBER SPLICING, AND THEN THEY WILL START DOING CONNECTIONS AFTER THAT.

BUT, SO WHAT THEY'RE SEEING IS THE BACKBONE FOR THE NETWORK THAT'S

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COMING, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY SEEING EVIDENCE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY COMING NOW.

SO, UM, WITH THAT MOVE INTO THE, THE BIG PORTION OF THE RISE PROJECT, WHICH IS THE DOMINION ENERGY, UH, BROADBAND PORTION THAT IS, UH, PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN DOMINION ENERGY AND FIREFLY FIBER BROADBAND AS PART OF OUR, UH, VI, UH, REGIONAL PROJECT, THE RISE PROJECT.

AND HAPPY TO REPORT THAT, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, CONTINUED TO MAKE PROGRESS.

THERE'S ONLY 46.38 MILES LEFT IN, UH, QUALITY CONTROL.

UM, THAT'S OUT OF 108.35 TOTAL MILES OF THE PROJECT.

AND THAT MEANS, UH, 61.97 MILES HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR DESIGN AND ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD INTO THE NEXT PHASE.

UM, AS WELL, UH, 16 PROJECTS, OR 30 POINT 12 MILES ARE STILL IN OR REMAINING IN THE EASEMENT ACCUSATION OR REVIEW PHASE.

AND ONCE THAT'S DONE, THEN THERE, THOSE PROJECTS ARE DONE.

AND THAT'S OUT OF, UH, 60 PROJECTS.

AND AGAIN, 108 MILES.

SO 16, UH, PROJECTS IN 30 POINT 12 MILES, STILL IN THE EASEMENT ACQUISITION OR REVIEW PHASE, UH, PART OF THE PROJECT.

SO ONCE THOSE TWO ARE WRAPPED UP, THEY WILL MOVE INTO THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH IS THE SITE PREPARATION, UH, PHASE OF THE DO, UH, DOMINION BUILD.

AND ONCE DOMINION GETS THROUGH THEIR PROJECT, THEN IT'S GONNA BE TURNED OVER TO FIREFLY TO DO THE LAST MILE CONNECTIONS.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS SHOWING THAT WE ARE ON TRACK FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, PROJECTING FOR THEM TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD ON THAT PROJECT AND START CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEXT FIVE MONTHS.

UM, AND THEN TO WRAP IT UP BY THE END OF 2023, SO THAT, THAT IS THE UPDATES ON THE FIREFLY RISE PROJECTS.

UM, QUICKLY, UH, POINT OUT FOR OUR OTHER PROJECT, WE DO HAVE THE PORT 80 INTERNET SER, UH, SERVICE PROJECT IN THE CROZIER AREA.

THAT'S A MUCH SMALLER PROJECT, BUT STILL VERY IMPORTANT.

UM, AND WITH THAT, UH, THERE ARE ABOUT A HUNDRED.

SO FOLKS WE'VE NOT HEARD FROM, WE'RE DOING OUTREACH TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

UM, AND WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO, IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THE GRANT, TO COMMUNICATE WITH PORT 80 INTERNET BY, UH, BEGINNING OF JANU, UH, BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY, UH, SO WE CAN GET THEM IN PROCESS SO WE CAN GET THAT WRAPPED UP AND GET THAT GRANT CLOSED UP.

UM, SO, UH, THOSE FOLKS HAVE BEEN REACHED OUT TO, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH SOME MORE OUTREACH AND, UH, WORKING ON A, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO LEARN MORE ABOUT, UH, PORT 80 AND ACTUALLY GET SIGNED UP WITH PORT 80.

THAT WILL, WILL BE, UH, COMMUNICATING DIRECTLY TO THOSE FOLKS BECAUSE IT IS A VERY SMALL, UH, NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT, UH, WHO ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE PORT 80 PROJECT.

AND WITH THAT, THAT'S MY REPORT.

UH, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, NOW OR LATER AS YOU REVIEW THE REPORT BOARD.

ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMMENT, MR. DRUM, I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY AND, UM, I, I'M, I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS REPORT ON, ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

I THINK IT REALLY BRINGS INTO TO LIGHT HOW MUCH WE'RE DOING.

I WOULD WONDER, I I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT MORE ABOUT OTHER BROADBAND, UM, POTENTIALS THAT HAVE, HAVE BEEN COMING INTO THE COUNTY SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, VERIZON WAS AT A HOUSE THE OTHER DAY, AND THE PERSON'S LIKE, I HAVE THIS NEW THING, IT'S A WIRELESS HOUSE, SO HE HAS A HOUSE WITH NO PHONE LINES, BUT VERIZON COMES TO HIS HOUSE.

SO, UM, MAYBE FINDING OUT AND BEING ABLE TO REPORT OUT, YOU KNOW, BROADENING US FROM OUR PROJECTS.

MAYBE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER FOR FUTURE REPORTS.

BUT THIS IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL FOR, FOR US JUST TO SEE IF THIS IS HAPPENING.

YEAH, HAPPY TO, TO SHARE OTHERS.

UH, THERE ARE, THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS OUT THERE.

UM, BUT AS WE BEGAN OUR, OUR BROADBAND INITIATIVE IN REALLY LAUNCHED BACK IN 20, THE, UH, FALL OF 2019.

ONE OF THE, UH, THINGS THAT WE, UH, SHARED AT THAT TIME WAS THAT WE DID NOT VIEW THE CELLULAR, UH, WIRELESS, UH, SOLUTIONS AS A, A TRUE SOLUTION, UH, BECAUSE OF JUST THE, THE COST OF IT AND THE, UM, HOW UNRELIABLE IT WAS.

AND SO, REALLY THE SOLUTIONS WE WERE LOOKING AT WERE SOLUTIONS THAT WOULD BE, UH, ABLE TO SERVE FOLKS AND ALSO WOULD BE AFFORDABLE.

SO THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS OUT THERE, BUT THESE ARE ONES THAT WE'VE INVESTED AS THE COUNTY, UH, IN, IN PARTNERING WITH.

BUT WE DON'T STOP ANYBODY ELSE FROM BRINGING BROADBAND INTO THE GUCCI COUNTY.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN HERE, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK WITH THEM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ENCOURAGE 'EM TO, UH, EXPAND.

WE WILL TALK WITH HIM TO LET 'EM KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING'S GOING SO THAT WE CAN TARGET THEM IF, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AN UNSERVED AREA, IF WE KNOW OF UNSERVED AREAS, WE'LL TARGETING 'EM TOWARDS THAT, UM,

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THAT WAY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY SERVED.

GREAT.

MS. J ONE REAL QUICK.

YES.

THAT MIGHT BE TO SAY KEEP EVERYTHING HERE THE WAY IT IS, BUT THEN ADD A MAP ON TOP THAT SUPERIMPOSES THE EXISTING COAX OR FIBER EXISTING BROADBAND COVERAGE SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHERE THE GAPS AFTER THIS PROJECT IS OVER.

SO, SO WE HAVE SOME OF THAT.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH IS THAT OUR PROVIDERS ARE, ARE, ARE VERY, UM, PARTICULAR ABOUT WHAT IMAGES WE SHARE AND WHAT WE PUT ON MAPS THAT ARE PUBLICLY MADE, PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.

THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DO HAVE BROADBAND MAPS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO IMPROVE.

UM, I DO BELIEVE THERE IS AN ARTICLE IN TODAY'S RICHMOND TIMES DISPATCH ABOUT THE FEDERAL BROADBAND MAP, UM, THAT SENATOR WARNER HAS BEEN ENCOURAGING FOLKS TO LOOK AT.

ONE THING I'D POINT OUT ON THAT IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT RIGHT NOW, THAT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE GRANT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

SO FOLKS WILL NOTICE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE SERVICE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN SERVICE IS NOT COMING.

UH, IT'S JUST THAT CHICKEN AND EGG THING THAT THEY DON'T PUT IT INTO THE MAP UNTIL IT'S THERE.

SO, UM, BUT WE HAVE THOSE MAPS OUT THERE.

YEAH.

AND WE ARE TRACKING UNSERVED AREAS.

YEAH, WHATEVER'S OUT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, NOT LOOKING FOR ANY TRADE SECRETS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, A QUESTION FOR THIS BOARD MIGHT BE, WHO DOESN'T HAVE BROADBAND IN THE COUNTY ANYWAY, SO, JUST A THOUGHT, AGAIN, NOT PROPRIETARY, BUT PUBLIC INFORMATION, BUT WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO GLEAN INSIGHT TO SAY, OKAY, 99% HAS COVERAGE, OR 90 OR 80, YOU KNOW, JUST SO WE KNOW IN TRYING TO SERVE THE, THE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY.

WHAT, WHAT'S THE UNMET NEED IS AT THAT POINT.

SO, BUT AGAIN, PAUL, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK YOU'RE DOING.

YOU'RE DOING AN AMAZING JOB.

IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED SUBJECT AND YOU JUST, UH, DISTILL IT DOWN THERE.

IT'S ESSENCE FOR US.

SO THANK YOU.

YEP.

STAY WITH IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. DRUM.

OKAY.

BOARD, UM, ANYTHING FROM INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS REGARDING, UH, BOARDS THAT THEY ARE PARTICIPATING IN, OR

[7. Board Reports]

MR. JENKINS? I THINK EVERYBODY'S GONNA WANT TO TUNE IN THURSDAY TO THE R R TPO MEETING.

IT'S GONNA BE AWESOME.

WHAT CHANNEL IS THAT? ON THE CHANNEL? IT'S YOU TOO.

I HAVE IT ON MULTIPLE CALENDARS, SO IT'S NOT TO MISS IT.

NO, IT, IT IS, UH, I SAY THAT IT, WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME GOOD TOPICS ON THE AGENDA.

SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BUBBLING FOR MONTHS ARE, ARE, WE'RE GONNA DIG INTO SOME OF THE COST OVERRUNS.

AND, UM, IT IS, I HOPE, I HOPE WE HAVE, UH, ENGAGEMENT MORE THAN USUAL CUZ THERE'S, THERE'S MORE ENGAGING THAN USUAL TOPICS PLANNED.

BUT, UH, NOTHING, I'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF ANYTHING'S AFFECTING GLAND, BUT NOTH NOTHING, UH, THAT I KNOW OF YET COMING UP.

BUT THAT'S THIS THURSDAY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MR. PETERSON, UH, MR. CHAIR.

THE, UH, FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE MET, UH, JUST PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, AND I BELIEVE I'M SUPPOSED TO CONFINE MY COMMENTS TO THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.

SO SINCE THE GES IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, I MAYBE I'LL, UH, WEIGH IN THE, UH, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

BUT, UH, WE DID HAVE A VERY SPIRITED DISCUSSION AND, UH, COVERED A LOT OF GROUND, UM, ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY PERTAINING TO THE FUNDING, UH, AND THE GES PROJECT.

AND I'LL SHARE THOSE THOUGHTS, UH, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THAT.

APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THAT.

OKAY.

UM, AND FROM CVT, A NOT MUCH TO REPORT APPROVED THE TIMELINE PLANS, UM, WORKING ON THE PROJECTS THAT ARE OF INTEREST OF US TO TRY TO GET THEM MOVED FORWARD IN THOSE TIMELINES FOR FUNDING.

UH, BUT, UH, MORE TO COME ON THAT IN THE UPCOMING MONTHS, SEEING NO OTHER COUNTS FOR BOARD REPORTS.

UH, MOVING INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM AND JUST AS A REMINDER BOARD, UH, MR. UM,

[XIII. Consent Agenda]

MR. CARPENTER, , THIS IS PASSING OVER.

MR. CARPENTER WILL GO THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, UM, AND THEN AT THE END WE WILL TAKE A MOTION TO TAKE THEM AS A, AS A SLATE OR TO PULL INDIVIDUAL ONES OUT.

SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. CARPENTER, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TODAY, FIVE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THE FIRST ITEM IS A REZONING APPLICATION FOR FIVE ACRES ON HACKETT ROAD, WHERE THE COUNTY IS THE APPLICANT AND I WILL SERVE AS THE COUNTY'S AGENT.

UH, THIS IS THE LAND IDENTIFIED FOR FUTURE FIRE STATION SEVEN.

IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED M ONE.

UH, THE SECOND ITEM REFERS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THE AMENDMENT TO ZONING POLICY THAT WE COMMONLY REFER TO AS THE SOLAR ORDINANCE.

I'M SORRY, IT RERE REFERS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE SOLAR ORDINANCE.

UH, THE THIRD ITEM SETS A PUBLIC HEARING ON FEBRUARY 7TH TO ADOPT A NEW ELECTORAL MAP THAT WILL REFLECT THE RECENT CHANGES APPROVED BY THE CIRCUIT COURT REGARDING THE BOUNDARY LINE WITH LUISA COUNTY.

THE FOURTH ITEM AUTHORIZES THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO SIGN A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION WITH THE EXISTING PROVIDERS OF YARD WASTE SERVICES AS AUTHORIZED THROUGH OUR CONTRACT WITH THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA WASTE MANAGEMENT

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AUTHORITY, OF WHICH WE ARE A MEMBER.

AND THE FIFTH ITEM AUTHORIZES THE EXECUTION OF A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE GLAND DAY FOUNDATION REGARDING THE UPCOMING EVENT.

THOSE ARE THE ITEMS. THANK YOU, MR. CARPENTER AND BOARD, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE, MR. G? MR. CHAIR? I HAD A COUPLE OF REAL QUICK COMMENTS ON, UM, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE M O U.

UM, OKAY.

UM, MY READ OF THE MOU, UM, IS, IT IS FOR ONE EVENT, THIS YEAR'S EVENT ONLY.

UM, IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO ONGOING RENEWABLE EVERGREEN, UM, FUTURE, UH, MOU.

SO MY, MY ASSUMPTION IN READING IT IS JUST, IT'S JUST ONE YEAR, ONE EVENT AND THAT'S IT.

UM, IF THAT'S MY CORRECT READING, THAT'S FINE.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE DO, UM, INDICATE THE CANON SHOULD USE THE GLAND NAME AND LOGO WITH RESPECT TO SPONSORSHIP.

UM, BUT WE DON'T MENTION ABOUT NOT USING IT IN RESPECT OR, OR IN CONJUNCTION RATHER, WITH EITHER THE GUC AND DAY FOUNDATION OR GUC AND DAY PARADE.

UH, SINCE THE NAME GLAND IS IN IT, I JUST WANTED TO CAUTION AGAINST, UM, USING THE NAME AND LOGO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, UH, EITHER THE FOUNDATION OR THE PARADE IN THAT IT'S NOT A ACTUAL COUNTY EVENT.

UM, THE REASON I MENTIONED THAT IS SOME OF THE CITIZENS HAVE COME TO ME AND SAID, I UNDERSTAND GLAND'S PUTTING ON AN EVENT.

AND THE ANSWER IS, WELL, IT IS SPONSORING AN EVENT, BUT IT'S NOT PUTTING ON AN EVENT.

IT'S A SUBTLE DISTINCTION, BUT, UH, I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE THERE.

UM, SO THOSE ARE MY TWO COMMENTS.

THERE'S REALLY NO MENTION OF, OF, OF, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S NOT A, UH, CONFIGURATION OR A, OR CONFUSION BETWEEN THE TWO.

AND IF I MAY, UH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

UM, IF I MAY, MR. PETERSON, UH, IN THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE, UH, WITH THE ORGANIZATION, UM, THE ISSUE OF COUNTY'S, UH, NAME LIKENESS AND IMAGE, UH, HAS BEEN, UM, DISCUSSED WITH THEM AND THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS THERE WITH THEM, WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THE UNDERSTANDING IS THERE.

THAT GLAND DAY IS AN INDEPENDENT EVENT, THAT IT IS NOT GIN COUNTY SPONSORING, BUT RATHER AN INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION.

AND THAT THE USES OF ANY COUNTY NAME AND LOGO ARE VERY LIMITED.

AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CONTINUED ONE YEAR, ONE EVENT AND IT IS FOR ONE EVENT.

YES, SIR.

YOU COMPLETELY .

YES.

MS. LAS CLAP, YOU LOOK BACK.

OKAY.

, THANK YOU.

I DON'T THINK I'VE HAD, I'VE GOT YOU YIELD BACK TO MY, UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, IS WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AGREEMENT AND LAST YEAR'S? DID ANYTHING CHANGE? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH LAST YEAR'S, SO I WOULD SOMEWHAT DEFER TO UH, UM, IF STAFF WAS HERE THAT WORKED ON IT.

I KNOW THAT STAFF HAS VETTED IT AND UH, IT HAS, UH, BEEN REVIEWED BY THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN THE SENSE OF THE FORM AND THE, UH, IMPACT ON IT.

US SEE JESSICA'S HERE.

THERE SHE IS, UH, JESSICA KREMBERG PARK DIRECT DIRECTOR.

SORRY, I'M TRYING TO GET MY VOICE BACK.

UM, SO THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAST YEAR'S AND THIS YEAR'S MOU IS A DECREASED REQUEST FOR STAFF SUPPORT, UM, DURING THE EVENT LEADING UP TO THE EVENT.

AND THEN THE ADDITION OF, UM, FLAGS THROUGHOUT THE, THE COURT ON THE, ON THE FLAG, SORRY, NO LIGHT POLES THROUGHOUT THE COURTHOUSE AND WHATEVER FLAGS ARE DETERMINED TO GO UP ON THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL PRIOR TO, IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THE ABILITY WOULD BE THERE FOR THOSE FLAGS TO BE HUNG.

SO, UH, SO THE COUNTY FOLLOW UP TO THAT.

SO THE COUNTY WOULD PAY FOR THE FLAG HOLDERS, THE HARDWARE ONLY, WHICH THEN WE COULD USE FOR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PATRIOTIC FLAGS DURING JULY 4TH, THAT KIND OF THING.

AND THEN, UM, THEY WOULD PAY FOR THE FLAGS THEMSELVES CORRECT.

BUT WE WOULD INSTALL THEM.

CORRECT.

AND THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REQUEST LINE MM-HMM.

AND THERE'S A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME OF THIS TIME THAT DOWN THAT TIME.

OKAY.

DOES THAT MAKES SENSE.

UM, ANY, ANY ISSUES THAT MAY HAVE ARISEN LAST YEAR? UM, AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANY, UM, PROBABLY THERE PROBABLY WERE FEW LITTLE THINGS HERE AND THERE.

THERE, BUT THEY'VE ALL BEEN ADDRESSED IN HERE.

CORRECT.

AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS? MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S WE NEED TO HEAR.

THANK YOU MR. WALKER.

I THINK JESSICA, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING IT TRIGGERS OTHER THINGS.

EXACTLY.

UM, LAST YEAR, WAS THERE ANY CLIMATE WEATHER LAST YEAR AND WAS IT, THERE WAS FIELDS WERE KIND OF WET AND SO MAYBE WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN GOING WITH THAT IS WHAT IF, WHO MAKES THE DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT VEHICLES SHOULD DRIVE ON THE, ON THE GRASS AND THAT KIND OF THING? SO WE HAVE A, A PRE-ESTABLISHED AREA FOR WHERE VEHICLES CAN DRIVE ANYWAY.

UM, I WAS, I CAME OUT AROUND SIX O'CLOCK THAT MORNING, THE DAY OF THE EVENT AND CONNED OFF CERTAIN AREAS, UH, THAT WERE, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO PLACE VENDORS AND THEY HAD TO MOVE A FEW THINGS JUST BECAUSE OF HOW THE FIELD HOLDS

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WATER IN CERTAIN AREAS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO OUR STAFF, OUR STAFF WILL BE THERE THE MORNING OF TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE FIELD IS IN APPROPRIATE CONDITION.

OKAY.

SO YOU'RE PREPARED FOR THAT? YES.

OKAY, GREAT.

YES.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM.

, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM GUCCI TODAY IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.

HELLO, I'M CAROL COOK, I'M SECRETARY OF THE GLAND DAY FOUNDATION.

SO I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COUNTY FOR THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS EVENT, WHICH IS RESURRECTING A HISTORICAL EVENT, UM, THE PARADE AND FESTIVAL.

SO AGAIN, WE ARE A SEPARATE ENTITY, WE'RE A NONPROFIT, A FOUNDATION SUPPORTED THROUGH DONATIONS FROM ALL SORTS OF BUSINESSES AND ENTITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

BUT AGAIN, WE DO APPRECIATE THE COUNTY SUPPORT CUZ WE COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU, WITHOUT THE USE OF YOUR FACILITIES AND YOUR STAFFS.

SO THANK YOU.

YOU, MS. COOK? MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

BOARD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ALL THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS PRESENTED.

SECOND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

AND THIS IS VOICEFUL, RIGHT? YEP.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

JUST WHATEVER.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

WHATEVER YOU WANT, .

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

NOW MOVING INTO NEW BUSINESS.

WE'LL BE, UM, HAVING A PRESENTATION

[XIV. New Business]

AND LOOKING TO ADAPT A TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, LOOKS LIKE.

AND WE'LL HAVE, UH, MS. SARAH WORLEY AND WE'RE NOT WELCOMING TO GLAND COUNTY HERE.

LET'S SEE IF

[1. 5600: Presentation and Adoption of the Tourism Strategic Plan 2023-2028]

I GET THIS PULLED UP.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

BOARD MEMBERS CHAIR.

UH, MR. CARPENTER, MY NAME IS SARAH WORLEY.

I AM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, UH, FOR GUC AND COUNTY.

TODAY I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN.

YOU HAVE BEEN PROVIDED A COPY PLAN IN YOUR PACKET, UM, AND WE ARE ASKING FOR ADOPTION TODAY.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, STRATEGIC PLANS HELP GUIDE AND DIRECT GOALS AND STRATEGIES.

THIS PLAN WILL HELP GUIDE OUR DEPARTMENT'S EFFORTS ON TOURISM.

SO WHERE WE ARE, UH, THIS PLAN WILL REPLACE GOAL NUMBER THREE OF THE 2019 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.

THAT GOAL SPECIFICALLY SAYS TO EN PROMOTE, ENHANCE, AND EXPAND TOURISM OFFERINGS IN GLAND COUNTY.

SO THE STRATEGIES THAT WE WILL DISCUSS WILL THEN BE REPLACING THOSE IN THE 2019 PLAN.

WE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO DRAFT THIS PLAN, AND THE PLAN HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE VIRGINIA TOURISM CORPORATION AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.

WE BELIEVE THAT TOURISM FITS NICELY IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OUR BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION PROGRAM.

WE HAVE LOTS OF TOURISM BASED BUSINESSES THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM ADDITIONAL PROMOTION.

IN FACT, THERE WAS 44.8 MILLION IN DIRECT TOURISM SPENDING IN 2021 AND 1.8 MILLION WENT TO DIRECTLY TO LOCAL TAXES FROM THAT SPENDING.

SO WE BELIEVE INCREASING OUR TOURISM PRESENCE WILL HELP EXISTING BUSINESSES AND EXPAND THE COUNTY'S REVENUE BASE.

THE VISION STATEMENT WE DRAFTED FOR THE PLAN IS TO BECOME A FAMILY FRIENDLY, POPULAR DESTINATION FOR HISTORY, CRAFT, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, RECREATIONAL SPORTS AND OUTDOOR ENTHUSIASTS, AS WELL AS A SOURCE OF PRIDE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE ENCOMPASSES WHAT STAFF SEES AS OUR EXISTING MAIN TOURISM ASSETS, AS WELL AS IT PAYS TRIBUTE TO OUR RESIDENTS WHO WILL ALSO BENEFIT AND VISIT THESE ATTRACTIONS.

THE MISSION STATEMENT IS TO PROMOTE, DEVELOP AND AUTHOR AEN AUTHENTIC VISITOR AND RESIDENCE EXPERIENCES WHILE PRESERVING AND PROTECTING GLAND'S VALUES, RURAL CHARACTER HISTORY, RESOURCES, BUSINESSES, AND AGRICULTURE.

HERE IS A BRIEF LISTING OF SOME OF OUR UNIQUE TOURISM ASSETS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED IN WORKING ON THIS PLAN.

THESE ASSETS ARE UNIQUE TO GLAND COUNTY AND THEY CANNOT BE FOUND IN ANY OTHER LOCALITY HERE IN THE COMMONWEALTH.

ALSO, A QUICK LIST OF SOME UNDEVELOPED TOURISM ASSETS.

THESE ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN EITHER UNDERDEVELOPMENT NOW OR IDENTIFIED IN OTHER PLANS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

WE BELIEVE WE EXPERIENCE DIRECT COMPETITION FROM NEIGHBORING COUNTIES IN OVERNIGHT ACCOMMODATIONS, NIGHT, EVENING, ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS, AND DINING AND

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SHOPPING OPTIONS.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN OUR TOURISM EFFORTS BY CONCENTRATING ON DAY TRIP ITINERARIES AND A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT TO COME LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION.

SO IN DRAFTING THE PLAN, WE DID A SWAT ANALYSIS, A STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, OPPORTUNITIES AND THREATS.

I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE TO IDENTIFY SOME OF OUR, UM, UH, THINGS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED.

SO THE FIRST ONE BEING A STRENGTHS.

WE HAVE EASY ACCESSIBILITY.

UM, WE HAVE A CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RICHMOND AND CHARLOTTESVILLE MARKETS.

WE CAN PULL FROM THE RICHMOND MARKET AND CHARLOTTESVILLE.

WE HAVE A STRONG, UH, LOCAL FOOD AND CRAFT BEVERAGE MAKERS AND WE HAVE STRONG EQUESTRIAN ASSETS.

WE BELIEVE SOME OF OUR WEAKNESSES ARE LACK OF WAYFINDING SIGNAGE, LIMITED OVERNIGHT ACCOMMODATIONS, NO CENTRAL INFORMATION POINT, AND THERE'S A PERCEPTION OF DISTANCE.

SOME OF OUR OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE IDENTIFIED ARE AGRITOURISM DEVELOPMENT, HISTORIC TOURISM, JAMES RIVER ACCESS AND SELF-GUIDED TOURS, AND THEN SOME OF THE THREATS AS LACK OF COMMUNITY KNOWLEDGE OF OUR ASSETS.

AND THEN UNPACKAGED ASSETS.

SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THESE OBJECTIVES AND STRATEGIES WILL REPLACE GOAL THREE, UM, WHICH WAS TO PROMOTE, ENHANCE, AND EXPAND TOURISM OFFERINGS IN GUC AND COUNTY.

WE PLAN TO DO THAT BY THREE STRATEGIES AND FOR EACH STRATEGY WE HAVE SPECIFIC ACTION PLANS.

WE OFFER SPECIFIC TARGETED RESULTS AND KEY SUCCESS INDICATORS.

SO I DID NOT LIST OUT EACH INDIVIDUAL ACTION PLAN IN THIS PRESENTATION, BUT I DO HAVE THE STRATEGIES, THE TARGETED RESULTS, AND EXPECTED TIMELINE.

SO I'LL JUST BRIEFLY GO THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THE STRATEGIES.

THE FIRST ONE, UM, OBJECTIVE NUMBER 3.1, EFFECTIVELY MARKET OUR TOURISM ASSETS TO INCREASE VISITOR SPENDING.

WE PLAN TO DO THAT BY UTILIZING OUR WEBSITE IN SOCIAL MEDIA.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE A WEBSITE SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO TOURISM AND WE DO NOT HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA DEDICATED TO TOURISM.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LAUNCHING THOSE.

WE HOPE TO HAVE THEM LAUNCHED BY THE END OF JANUARY.

AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE SNEAK PEEK OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.

THIS WOULD BE OUR NEW TOURISM LOGO.

YOU CAN SEE OUR OFFICIAL COUNTY LOGO THERE IN THE MIDDLE USING OUR UCHIN COLORS.

IT'S A KIND OF A PIN PLACED ON A MAP.

OUR MAIN TAGLINE AND WOULD BE EXPLORE GUC LYNN.

AND THEN WHEN WE RUN SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGNS, ESPECIALLY DAY TRIP ITINERARIES, WE CAN USE GETAWAY TO GOOCHLAND.

NEXT, WE WANT TO INCREASE MARKET AWARENESS BY HOSTING MEDIA, UH, TOURISM PROMOTERS AND EVENT SITE SELECTORS HERE IN THE COUNTY.

WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE AND PUBLISH TOURISM MARKETING MATERIALS.

RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE ANY.

UM, SO WE ARE, UH, WORKING ON THOSE.

WE'RE ACTUALLY USING SOME OF THE, UM, ARPA FUNDING, THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDING THAT THE COUNTY RECEIVED TO COME UP WITH, UM, FIVE DAY TRIP ITINERARIES THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE, UH, BY THE END OF JANUARY THAT WE SHOULD BE POSTING OUT.

UH, WE ALSO WANT TO INCREASE AWARENESS OF TOURISM ASSETS, UM, BY CREATING A TOURISM AMBASSADOR PROGRAM AND WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE GUC AND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

OBJECTIVE THREE IS TO DOCUMENT GLAND'S HISTORICAL TOURISM ASSETS AND INCREASE INTEREST IN VISITATION GLAND HAS GREAT HISTORIC ASSETS, AND, UM, A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T EVEN KNOW, UH, THAT WE HAVE THEM HERE IN THE COUNTY.

UM, SO WE WANNA GET THOSE DOCUMENTED.

WE WANNA GET 'EM IN AN EASY, ACCESSIBLE PLACE, AND WE WANNA, UH, PROMOTE THOSE OUT, UM, TO BOTH CITIZENS AND VISITORS TO THE COUNTY.

WE WANT TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE GLAND COUNTY HISTORICAL, UH, SOCIETY TO DO THAT.

AND WE PLAN TO WRAP IN BOTH VIRGINIA'S AND GLAND'S UPCOMING ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATIONS INTO THAT.

AND THEN OUR LAST OBJECTIVE IS TO DEVELOP OUR TOURISM ASSETS.

SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE REGION AND ANY EMERGING LOCAL TRENDS AND SEE IF WE CAN CAPITALIZE ON THOSE AND THEN EXPLORE FINANCIAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP DEVELOP THOSE ASSETS.

UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, I, I HAVE HEARD, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED A RIVER RAFTING COMPANY HERE IN GLAND COURTHOUSE.

SO WE CAN EITHER WORK WITH AN EXISTING BUSINESS TO SEE IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND INTO THAT AREA OR TRY TO RECRUIT A BUSINESS TO COME IN TO OFFER KAYAKS OR CANOE RENTALS OR DO, UH, RIVER RAFTING OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE.

AND THEN THIS SLIDE KIND OF GOES OVER THE OBJECTIVES AND THE OWNERSHIPS OF WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE OBJECTIVES AND A TIMELINE,

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UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE.

AND WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A DASHBOARD TO DOCUMENT OUR STARTING POINT.

SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO MEASURE OUR SUCCESS.

WE'LL BE TRACKING SUCH ITEMS SUCH AS VISITOR SPENDING, BOTH DIRECT AND INDIRECT IMPACTS, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA HITS AND WEBSITE VISITOR HITS.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU, MS. BOARD.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE, MS. LASETTE? OKAY.

MS. WARLEY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WHEN WILL YOU FIRST PRESENTED THIS PLAN, BUT I'M STARTING TO GET A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT BRANDING.

SO WE HAVE COUNTY LOGO, WE'VE GOT SIGNAGE IN THE COUNTY THAT WE'VE PAID FOR.

WE'VE GOT VILLAGE STUDIES COMING UP WITH DIFFERENT BRANDING.

NOW YOU'VE GOT A, NOW ANOTHER ONE.

SO I, I THINK AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO COALESCE BEHIND A COUPLE PROJECTS.

I MEAN, A COUPLE CONCEPTS, UH, FOR OUR BRANDING SO THAT THEY'RE ALL STARTING TO BE UNIFORM WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU, YOU THINK GLAND.

YES, MA'AM.

I COMPLETELY AGREE.

AND THAT'S WHY I USED OUR, OUR GLAND COLORS AND OUR GLAND LOGOS, SO RIGHT.

I'M HOPING WE'LL BE ABLE TO USE THOSE IN, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE COMING FORWARD.

OKAY.

YEAH, IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT HAPPY, THAT'D BE GREAT.

, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, I APPRECIATE IT, MR. LUKINS.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

YOU, I MEAN, WE, I THINK WHEN YOU PRESENTED IN THE TWO BY TWOS, I, I TYPICAL, I'VE HAD LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS.

I WON'T, I WON'T PEPPER YOU WITH THE PILE OF QUESTIONS, BUT I DO.

UH, AND YOU SAID IT RIGHT AT THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION.

I WAS THINKING AS YOU WERE PRESENTING, I WAS SCROLLING THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PLAN ABOUT MEASUREMENTS AND YOU SAID A DASHBOARD.

SO YOU, YOU GAVE A COUPLE OF CRITERIA YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT.

UM, HOW DO, HOW DO YOU MEASURE SPENDING THOUGH? HOW DOES THAT WORK? THE VIRGINIA TOURISM CORPORATION ACTUALLY, UM, HAS A, UM, A MEASURED IN TOOL FOR EVERY LOCALITY IN THE COMMONWEALTH.

AND IT GOES BACK.

SO WE HAVE, UM, SPENDING BACK TO I THINK 2010.

UM, SO EVERY YEAR FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR, THEY RELEASE THOSE NUMBERS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE BASE IT FROM.

AND YOU CAN IDENTIFY THAT THE ASSETS WHERE THE, WHERE MONEY WAS SPENT.

IS THAT NO, IT'S GLAND AS A WHOLE.

IT.

OH, OKAY.

OH, SO MONEY SPENT IN GLAND COUNTY.

I CAN'T IDENTIFY WHICH.

OKAY.

CUZ YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE DAY TRIPS THAT'S STARTING POINT YES.

TO ENCOURAGE DAY TRIPS.

SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF DAY TRIPS ARE HAPPENING? RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT, WHETHER THEY'RE WORKING OR NOT? NO.

UM, SO WE, THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT.

UM, WE NEED THE COOPERATION OF THE BUSINESSES THAT THEY ATTEND, UM, TO TRACK TO SEE WHETHER, UM, THEY CAME IN BASED OFF OF A DAY TRIP ITINERARY.

THERE'S CERTAIN LIKE QR CODES THAT YOU CAN PUT ON THERE THAT THEY CAN SCAN WHEN THEY COME INTO THE RESTAURANT.

SO WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE SOME OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WORKING.

GOTCHA.

UM, I TRIED, I THOUGHT I'D LIMIT MYSELF TO TWO QUESTIONS, BUT I I'LL ASK A COUPLE MORE CUZ THIS IS, I, THIS, I GET PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THIS CUZ I THINK GIN DOES HAVE A LOT OF ASSETS AND I WOULD, SOMETIMES I THINK I WOULD, I DON'T HAVE GOOD, I'D BE AT IT, BUT I'D LOVE TO DO THIS JOB TO HELP THE TOURISM PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE WORTH IT.

DARN.

BUT IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HERE IN GOLAND.

WE'RE RECRUITING FOR TOURISM AMBASSADORS, AMBASSADOR, HOW MUCH DOES IT PAY? ? ZERO .

SO THAT, THAT'S AWESOME.

UH, SO BACK TO YOUR THREATS, COMMUNITY CONCERNS WAS ONE OF 'EM.

COULD YOU ELABORATE ON? SURE.

SO WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO RECRUIT A BUSINESS OR HAVE A BUSINESS THAT IMPACTS, UM, YOU KNOW, GLAND'S WAY OF LIFE AND GLAND'S VALUES THAT THEY HOLD DEAR.

SO, UM, WE, WE WOULD WANNA BE ABLE TO BRING IN A BUSINESS, A TOURISM BUSINESS, OR HAVE A EXISTING BUSINESS EXPAND IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT, UM, THAT WE CAN STILL REACH THOSE VALUES AND THEN NOT HAVE A, A NEGATIVE IMPACT.

GOTCHA.

UM, LAST QUESTION, AND THIS, THIS JUST CAME TO, AS YOU WERE DESCRIBING, UH, READING, READING THE PLAN, ONE THOUGHT I HAD IS, AND OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL, YOU WORK WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BUT I GET REQUESTS ALL THE TIME ABOUT GREENSVILLE GROWER.

THEY'RE LIKE, I'D LIKE TO VISIT THAT PLACE.

I'D LIKE TO, WELL, THAT'S NOT A TOUR.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU THINK OF THAT AS A TOURISM ASSET.

NO.

BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE BRING A BUSINESS IN THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE, IT'S LIKE, IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING SPECIAL TO GUC, WHICH I THINK ALL THE BUSINESSES ARE, BUT, AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE MEAT PROCESSING PLANT.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE, OH WOW, THEY HAVE, SO I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN LEVERAGE THOSE AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, BECAUSE YOU'RE BRINGING AN INTERESTING BUSINESS THAT WILL BE ATTRACTIVE TO USERS, BUT WILL BE ALSO ATTRACTIVE TO, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING IF THERE CAN BE A, A COMPONENT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THESE FOLKS CAN'T OPEN THEIR BUSINESS LIKE, HEY, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RUNNING OUR BUSINESS AND BRINGING TOURISTS THROUGH.

NO, BUT YOU CAN HAVE CERTAIN DAYS SET ASIDE.

EXACTLY.

I KNOW SOME LOCALITIES DO

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LIKE FARM DAY WHERE THEY, RIGHT.

YOU CAN GO OUT AND TOUR FARMS. SO WE COULD DO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

SO WHERE THAT SPECIFIC DAY, THOSE BUSINESSES WOULD BE OPEN FOR TOURS.

I I KNOW YOU, YOU THINK BROADLY AND LIKE I SAID, I, I HAVE ALL THESE THOUGHTS, BUT I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE DOING THAT.

UM, AND, AND ASK US, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT, UH, MR. CARPENTER KNOWS HOW THE BOARD CAN, CAN HELP PROMOTE WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND, AND, UH, I'M, I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT AND LOOK FORWARD TO, THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, RIGHT? YES.

WE'RE ADOPTING THE PLAN.

YEAH.

GOOD.

LOOKING FORWARD TO IMPLEMENTING IT AND SEEING IT ROLL OUT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU.

UM, JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE A GOOD ON YOU FOR TRYING TO HACK THE COMMUNICATIONS AND GETTING IT ALL IN ONE SPOT.

THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.

UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE.

HOW DO YOU FIND OUT ABOUT STUFF? AND, AND IN OUR WORLD, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN GET INFORMATION, BUT IT'S ALMOST AN OVERLOAD AND, UM, IT KIND OF PIGGYBACKS INTO THE SECOND.

SO I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS.

IT IS A LOT OF WORK, AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY VALUABLE WORK.

THE ONE THING I DO THINK WE, AND YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS, I THINK EVERY TIME YOU'VE PRESENTED, SO NOW IT'S JUST, UM, ON CAMERA IS, YOU KNOW, I DO WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE KEEP THIS TOURISM INTO WHAT IS OUR ROLE VERSUS WHAT IS THE CHAMBER'S ROLE.

BECAUSE I, I, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR THINGS ABOUT VISITING BUSINESSES, LIKE WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS PUTTING THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OUT OF WORK OR DOING THEIR JOB FOR THEM.

SO HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THAT BALANCE? AND I KNOW YOU'LL DO A GREAT JOB OF THAT.

UM, YOU HAVE THE PROXIMITY OF OFFICE TO BE ABLE TO, TO HELP WITH THAT.

SO THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT I JUST, I'M ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS THAT, THAT HEALTHY TENSION OF, OKAY, WHERE ARE WE OVERSTEPPING? WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY CAN PEG UP.

SO ISN'T THAT GREAT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. MR. CHAIRMAN? I'LL MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE TOURISM STREET STRATEGIC PLAN.

SECOND IT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, ROYAL CALVO, MR. WATTERS? UH, YES.

MR. LUKINS? YES.

UH, MR. PETERSON? YES.

MS. LASETTE? YES.

MR. SPOON.

HOWER? YES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

BOARD, WE'VE GOT JUST APPOINTMENTS LEFT SO WE CAN SOLDIER ON THROUGH THAT AND

[2. 5608: Appointments - January 2023]

THEN WE WILL BE UP AGAINST OUR DINNER BREAK.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT'S, WE JUST HAVE WITH THERE.

SO, UM, PRETTY MUCH WHAT ISN'T PROMISED, UH, WELL, I'LL PRESENT THE FIRST ONE, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS A CITIZEN APPOINTMENT OF ANNE CASEY AS A REAPPOINTMENT FOR TWO YEAR TERM, EFFECTIVE FEBRUARY 1ST, JANUARY, 2023 TO JANUARY 31ST, 2025.

THIS WILL BE HER SECOND TERM.

UM, AND THEN FOR THE OTHER APPOINTMENTS, UH, FOR JUST, UH, RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH EVERYONE, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING STAYS THE SAME, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MR. VADERS STEPPING IN FOR THE, THE BOARDS THAT MR. SHARP HAD ATTENDED.

AND I, I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE IF YOU LIKE MS. SO, I, I HAVE THEM ALL IN FRONT OF ME.

SO, MR. VADER, CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR MIC? MS. MS. B.

SO MR. VADERS WILL SERVE ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, THE PLAN RVA? YES.

AND HE'LL SERVE ON CLEO THE CAPITAL REGION? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND WILL THEIR, I'M ASKING WILL THERE BE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN THE ABSENCE OF MR. VADERS IF HE HAS SOMETHING COME UP WITH CLEO? PREVIOUSLY IT WAS JOANNE AS AN ALTERNATE.

AND I'M JUST CHECKING IF THE BOARD DESIRES AN ALTERNATE.

IF HE WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE A MEETING, I'M, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF, UH, OUR, OUR DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD BE ABLE TO STEP IN THAT ROLE.

YES.

MSS? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, DID YOU, DO YOU NEED ME TO HELP? IS THAT DONE WHEN YOU SAY IT? I KNOW , IT'S ONLY MY SECOND YEAR DOING THIS IF IT'S DONE.

THIS ON IS AND I HAVE ALL THE APPOINTMENTS REPORTING.

OKAY.

IF MS. OS IS ON, IF YOU DON'T NEED ANY ACTION.

I WAS, I WAS JUST, UH, SAYING IF YOU NEEDED ANY, WOULD YOU I DO NEED A MOTION ON, ON THAT SPECIFIC OR WE COULD TAKE, TAKE 'EM AS A GROUP.

AS A GROUP, AS A, SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE APPOINTMENTS STAND, UH, WITH, UH, AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE.

WILL MR. VAERS, UH, MR. PETERSON AND YOURSELF AND PLAN R V A.

MR. VAERS, DO WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE FOR PLAN RVA? IT'S ME, AN ALTERNATE FOR MR. SPOONER.

OUR, OUR TPO, O, MYSELF, AND MS. LASETTE IS ALTERNATE, UH, CV T A, MR. SPS, MR. VATERS AND NO, NO CB NO.

NO CBT A? NO.

MR. SPOON.

HOW MR. SPOON, THE CBTA, DO WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE FOR THAT? I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO.

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IS MY MS. LAS LASLOW, UM, CBT A IS MR. SPOON HOWARD MS. LASETTE? MS. LASETTE? YES.

ALTERNATE ON CBT? YES.

MR. AND CLEO IS MR. VADERS AND MS. WINNIS HAS AGREED TO BE THE STAFF.

BACK UP ON THAT.

THAT'S A MOTION.

THANK YOU FOR THAT MOTION.

UH, DOES THE MOTION ALSO INCLUDE MS. CASEY? YES.

OKAY.

I JUST DIDN'T HEAR IT.

THANK YOU.

NO, YOU, YOU DIDN'T.

CUZ I DIDN'T SAY IT.

IT DOES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

THANK MS. CASEY FOR SERVING.

OKAY.

DID WE GET A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE? SEAT IN FAVOR SAYING AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? MOTION.

CURIOUS.

THANK YOU IF ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE AND WE ARE IN RECESS.

TWO 6:00 PM

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THANK YOU.

NICE.

NICE.

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GOOD

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EVENING

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HAPPY

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NEW

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YEAR.

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WELCOME

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EVERYBODY

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TO,

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I'M

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PROUD

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CALL

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BACK

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TO

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ORDER

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THE,

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UH,

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GLAND

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BOARD

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SUPERVISORS

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JANUARY 3RD

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MEETING

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WHERE

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WE

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WILL

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PUBLIC

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HEARINGS

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THIS EVENING.

BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR PUBLIC, UH, HEARINGS, WE WILL HAVE OUR CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.

THIS IS A TIME FOR FOLKS TO COME UP AND ADDRESS COUNTY RELATED ISSUES, UH, TO THE BOARD THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.

UM, WE'D ASK THAT YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, MAKE SURE THE LIGHT'S GREEN BY PRESSING THE BUTTON ON THE BASE, AND PLEASE, UH, GIVE US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND TRY TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.

OKAY.

NOT SEEING ANYONE ONCE, TWICE

[XVII. Citizen Comment]

GOING FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO WE WILL KICK THIS OFF WITH OUR FIRST, FIRST PUBLIC HEARING,

[XVIII. Public Hearings]

WHICH I KNOW IS OF A LOT OF INTEREST TO A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE ROOM.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. CARPENTER TO, UH, TO KICK THIS OFF, UH, MR. GENERAL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

UH, WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU NOT FOR YOUR FIRST ACTION RESOLUTION

[1. 5602: Resolution amending the Fiscal Year 2023 Goochland County Budget to]

TO AMEND THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 GLAND COUNTY BUDGET TO APPROPRIATE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW GLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

AS YOU MAY RECALL, NOVEMBER 2ND, 2021, THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY TO AUTHORIZE THE BOARD TO ISSUE BONDS APPROACHING, UH, APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, A LITTLE LESS FOR THE MOST OF THE PERT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, A FIRE STATION, A COURTHOUSE, AND SEVERAL OTHER ITEMS. UH, SINCE THEN, UH, CHANGING ECONOMIC TIMES HAVE RESULTED IN THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO INCREASE FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED.

ON NOVEMBER 29TH, THE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD APPROVED A LETTER ASKING THE BOARD TO SUPERVISE APPROPRIATE AN ADDITIONAL 15.7 MILLION FOR THE PROPOSED NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PROJECT.

WE HAD ALREADY APPROPRIATED 40.3 MILLION.

SINCE THIS APPROPRIATION REQUEST EXCEEDS 1% OF THE TOTAL BUDGETED EXPENDITURES, THE BOARD IS ADVERTISED AS REQUIRED AND A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD SUGGEST OR TURN OVER TO DR.

RAYLEY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME AND FURTHER EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT? THANK YOU, MR. CARPENTER.

WELL, GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO ADDRESS YOU THIS EVENING REGARDING THE SCHOOL BOARD'S REQUEST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

AND AS I SHARED EARLIER IN YOUR BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING EARLIER TODAY, I'M CERTAINLY THANKFUL FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU HAVE PUT INTO THIS, UH, THIS CONSIDERATION, THE OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED, THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE BEHIND THE SCENES TO, TO GET TO THIS POINT IN TIME TONIGHT.

UH, I ALSO WANT TO THANK STAFF BEHIND ME WHO HAVE WORKED, UH, FOR MANY YEARS TO, TO GET US TO THIS POINT IN TIME.

NOT ONLY SCHOOL DIVISION STAFF, BUT ULTIMATELY THE WORK OF COUNTY STAFF AS WELL.

I PARTICULARLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE WORK OF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING TEAM AND THE TEAM THAT HAS SUPPORTED US THROUGH BUILDING PERMITS AND REALLY EVERYBODY THAT HAS GOTTEN US TO THIS POINT IN TIME.

THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN TAKING PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS AS WE KNOW, THERE'S NO SECRET TO THAT.

AND, UH, ULTIMATELY WE'RE FACED, UH, WITH THE DECISION TONIGHT AND, AND CERTAINLY A DIFFICULT DECISION ON YOUR PART.

AND AS A SCHOOL DIVISION, WE RESPECT GREATLY THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS AS THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND A SIGNIFICANT EXPENDITURE.

AND AS WAS NOTED EARLIER TONIGHT, THIS IS THE LARGEST CAPITAL PROJECT THAT WE KNOW OF IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S A BIG, IT'S A BIG DECISION.

AND, UM, ULTIMATELY, WE AS A SCHOOL DIVISION, UH, HAVE DONE A LOT OF THINGS TO GET TO THIS POINT IN TIME, INCLUDING REDESIGN AND REVISIONS TO THE PROJECT, INCLUDING VALUE ENGINEERING AND MANY OTHER OPTIONS TO TRY TO REDUCE THE COST TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS TODAY.

WE DO HAVE A FIRM BID

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FROM THE APPARENT LOW BIDDER, WHICH IS SHOCKY, UH, WHICH WE NOW HAVE A FIRM PRICE.

AND SO THE TOTAL PRICE OF THE PROJECT IS INCLUDED IN TRANSMITTAL LETTER TO YOU.

SINCE THAT TRANSMITTAL LETTER, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE THE COST OF THE PROJECT BY ANOTHER $80,000.

UM, SO ULTIMATELY WE'RE CONTINUE TO, TO DO THAT, UM, PENDING THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE LATER ON THIS EVENING.

AS I STATED EARLIER IN YOUR PUBLIC MEETING, OUR SCHOOL DIVISION, INCLUDING MY STAFF, THE SCHOOL BOARD AND EVERYBODY THAT WE WORK WITH, IS COMMITTED TO BRINGING THIS PROJECT IN UNDER BUDGET AND ON TIME.

THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO.

AND IF THIS COMMUNITY PUTS THEIR FULL FAITH BEHIND THIS PROJECT, UH, WE ARE GOING TO BE COMMITTED TO MICROMANAGING THIS PROJECT AND BRINGING IT IN UNDER BUDGET AND ON TIME, AS THIS IS CERTAINLY A VERY VISIBLE AND IMPORTANT PROJECT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, WE WILL BE WORKING ALONGSIDE COUNTY STAFF AS WELL AS OUR OWNER'S REP WITH BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROJECT IS MICROMANAGED AND WE CONTINUE TO CONTROL COST, UM, SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU.

ASK DR.

RELEY QUESTIONS FOR DR.

RELEY AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE OPEN UP FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

DON'T GO ANYWHERE, OKAY? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, THANKS.

OUR BOARD.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, AT THAT, UM, I WILL OPEN THIS UP FOR OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, SAME GENERAL GUIDELINES.

PLEASE FROM THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE ADDRESS THE BOARD.

I KNOW TWO PEOPLE TEND TO TURN AROUND, BUT WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING LIVE.

SO PLEASE USE, USE THE MICROPHONE.

UM, KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AND PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AT THAT.

I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

IT'S ALWAYS TOUGH AS BEING FIRST.

THIS IS YOUR CHANCE.

TELL US WHAT YOU THINK.

JONATHAN LYLE 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.

UM, I DID APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT IN TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, EARLIER TODAY, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION SHARED THERE.

A LOT OF, UH, ROBUST DISCUSSION.

UM, MY QUESTION IN THERE WAS, CAN A SCHOOL BE BUILT FOR 40 MILLION? AND IN SIDEBAR CONVERSATIONS, I'VE BEEN TOLD, YES, BUT IT WOULDN'T LOOK AS NICE OR IT WOULDN'T HAVE SOME OF THE FEATURES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

UM, MY WIFE DRIVES A CAR AND IT HAS LANE CHANGE SIGNALS, IT HAS HEATED SEATS, IT HAS A REAR WINDOW WIPER, THINGS THAT MY CAR DOESN'T, AND IT'S BECAUSE I HAD TO WORK WITHIN A BUDGET.

I DID NOT HAVE AS MUCH MONEY TO PUT INTO THE CAR AS SHE DID.

SO IT DOESN'T HAVE HEATED SEATS AND LANE CHANGERS AND OTHER TYPES OF THINGS.

I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TEAM HAS DONE TO GET THIS AS EFFICIENT AS IT CAN BE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE SEEN INFLATION THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN FOR 40 YEARS, BUT I LOOK AT A SCHOOL DISTRICT AS MORE THAN A BUILDING.

I LOOK AT IT AS THE PEOPLE WHO TEACH THE CHILDREN.

I LOOK AT IT AS THE PEOPLE WHO ADMINISTER.

AND IF I WERE TO SPEND AN ADDITIONAL 15 MILLION, I'D PUT IT INTO PEOPLE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE US TAKE CARE OF OUR TEACHERS AT A HIGHER RATE WITH THAT KIND OF MONEY.

NOW, I UNDERSTAND THE BONDS DON'T ALLOW US TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDING.

AND I THINK WHATEVER WE BUILD, WE'RE GONNA BE PROUD OF IT BECAUSE THIS IS GOLAN.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT HAS TO ABSOLUTELY BE AS PERHAPS CURRENTLY DESIGNED.

I UNDERSTAND TIME IS MONEY.

THERE IS A TIME VALUE TO MONEY, THE MORE YOU WAIT INFLATION, OTHER TYPES OF, UH, LOST OPPORTUNITY COSTS.

BUT I'M, UH, AT THE POINT WHERE I'M TRUSTING YOU GUYS AND I DO THAT BECAUSE I'VE SEEN YOU WORK OVER THE LAST 11 YEARS, UH, ALMOST 12.

AND SO FOR MOST OF YOU, UM, AND, AND SO I'M GONNA DEFER TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE GOTTEN INTO THE WEEDS, BUT I EXPECT IF I WERE UP THERE CASTING A VOTE, I WOULD DEFER AND I WOULD SEE IF WE COULDN'T COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE ECONOMICAL.

MAYBE NOT AS PALATIAL, IF I CAN USE THAT WORD, BUT I THINK IT WOULD ADDRESS THE EDUCATIONAL NEEDS OF THE COUNTY.

AND I WOULD LOOK FOR A WAY TO INVEST IN PEOPLE.

AND MY LIGHTS UP.

THANKS.

THANK YOU MR. LYLE.

OKAY, ROB, JUST LOOKING AT EACH OTHER.

ALL RIGHT.

NO ONE ELSE.

I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COUNTY PERIOD.

LAST

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CHANCE.

Y'ALL CATCH ME IN FOOD LION ALL THE TIME.

SO , NOW'S YOUR CHANCE.

OKAY, IT'S GREEN, SO I'M GOOD.

OKAY.

UH, GOOD EVENING, CHRISSY WATSON.

I'M AT 2244 WHEATLAND DRIVE, UH, IN MANNEQUIN SABBA.

AND, UM, I EXPRESSED MY OPINION IN WRITING EARLIER TODAY, NOT ONLY AS A PARENT OF THIS COMMUNITY, UM, SOMEONE WHO'S LIVED HERE FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS, BUT ALSO AS A CURRENT EDUCATOR.

AND SO, WHILE I APPLAUD AND VALUE THE COMMENTS MADE PRECEDING ME, I ALSO WANNA KEEP IN MIND THE FORWARD THINKING.

I THINK WE NEED TO, UM, KEEP IT THE FOREFRONT AND NOT ONLY BY EXPANDING AND ALLOWING THE FUNDING OF THIS BUILDING, IT IS A WAY THAT YOU ARE INVESTING IN THE TEACHERS.

IF ANY OF YOU HAVE WALKED THE HALLS OF ANY OF GLAND SCHOOLS, WHETHER IT'S A 20 MINUTE TOUR OR YOU'VE, YOU'VE SPENT A LOT MORE TIME THERE, YOU'LL SEE ITS EDUCATORS AND ITS STAFF, UM, THAT FILL EVERY ROLE DOING THE ABSOLUTE BEST WITH WHAT THEY HAVE.

AND I THINK WHEN YOU ADEQUATELY PROVIDE YOUR ED EDUCATORS AND MORE KNOWING THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS GROWING EXPONENTIALLY, THAT PROVIDING US WITH THE FACILITY AND THE FLEX SPACE OF COLLABORATION AND EXPANDING CLASS SIZES AND THE EXPANDING NUMBER OF CLASSES THAT WE NEED, THAT NOT ONLY ARE YOU SUPPORTING THE EDUCATORS IN THE WAY THAT NEED, THEY NEED, YOU ARE SERVING YOUR COMMUNITY JUST AS WELL.

SO, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

CLOSING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, ANYTHING THAT, UH, SINCE YOU'RE SORT OF THE APPLICANT AND, UH, MR. ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADDRESS FOR THAT YOU HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENTS OR NOT? I'LL, UH, SEE MR. PETERSON MAY HAVE SOME THINGS TO SAY.

SO MR. PETERSON.

ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIR.

I COULD THANK YOU.

UM, UH, WELL QUICKLY JUST TO ADDRESS, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ANNUAL RECURRING BUDGETS FOR ANNUAL RECURRING REVENUES AND EXPENSES.

AND THEN WE KIND OF HAVE ONE TIME SOURCES AND ONE TIME USES.

SO EXAMPLES OF ONE TIME WOULD BE ISSUES OF BONDS, RAISE SOME CASH, BUILD A BUILDING THAT'S A ONE TIME NOW TEACHER SALARIES AND, YOU KNOW, ENRICHMENT PROGRAMS, WHATNOT.

THOSE ARE KIND OF ON BUDGET AND THOSE SHOULD BE TAKEN UP DURING THE BUDGET SEASON TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INVESTMENTS ARE MADE PROPERLY THERE.

UM, BUT TO USE BOND PROCEEDS FOR, FOR THAT WOULD BE A MISMATCH OF, YOU KNOW, USES AND SOURCES.

BUT, UM, HAVING SAID ALL THAT, WE DID HAVE A VERY, UM, LIVELY SPIRITED DEBATE.

UM, THERE WERE NO INJURIES, UM, AT THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING OVER THIS.

AND, UH, I MAY RUN, RUN THE RISK OF MISCHARACTERIZING SOME OF THE COMMENTS, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS THE COMMUNITY IS UNITED BEHIND, AT LEAST INITIALLY STARTING THE INVESTMENT IN OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FACILITIES IN THE COUNTY.

THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE CITIZENS THROUGH THEIR REFERENDUM ARE ALL UNITED TO SAY IT'S TIME WE NEED TO START ADDRESSING THIS.

UM, SO THE DECISION KIND OF TO TO TO GO FORWARD WAS GENERALLY A CONSENSUS DECISION THAT YES, WE SHOULD GO FORWARD.

THE QUESTION REMAINED OF, YOU KNOW, IS IT THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR, THE YEAR AFTER AND WHEN, BUT THE DECISION TO GO FORWARD SEEMED TO BE, UH, UNANIMOUS, UH, IN THAT REGARD AMONG THE CITIZENS AND BOTH BOARDS.

SO I THINK THE ENCOURAGEMENT TO GO FORWARD WAS THERE.

UM, THE REALITY KIND OF CREPT IN WHEN YOU SAY, OKAY, IF WE GO FORWARD, YOU KNOW, CAN WE AFFORD IT? DO WE HAVE THE MONEY, UM, SITTING AROUND THE KITCHEN TABLE AT HOME? SHOULD WE TAKE A VACATION? SHOULD WE SAVE, SHOULD WE SAVE FOR COLLEGE, A NEW CAR? WHAT SHOULD WE DO? THAT'S CALLED A CAPITAL ALLOCATION PROBLEM.

CAPITAL IS MONEY AND IS A SCARCE ITEM.

AND IT'S SCARCE IN GUTEN JUST THE WAY IT IS SCARCE IN A LOT OF THE HOUSEHOLDS.

AND SO YOU GET INTO AN ALLOCATION PROCESS OF WHERE'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE AND WHAT SHOULD WE PRIORITIZE IN THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

AND THAT'S THE REALITY THAT CREEPS IN.

ONCE YOU DECIDE THAT YOU REALLY DO WANT AND SHOULD START A PROJECT LIKE THIS, CAN YOU AFFORD IT OR NOT? CAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A REAL QUESTION, THAT'S A REAL WORLD QUESTION.

AND SO WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION AROUND, UH, CAN WE AFFORD IT? HOW MUCH WE CAN, CAN WE AFFORD? WHERE WOULD THE SOURCE OF FUNDS BE SINCE IT'S A ZERO SOME GAME.

UM, DO WE TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUT IT IN SCHOOLS? DO WE TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM SCHOOLS AND GIVE IT TO GENERAL OPERATIONS? THOSE ALLOCATION DECISIONS ARE TOUGH ONES BECAUSE ALL THOSE USES HAVE RELATIVE MERITS AND YOU KIND OF WANT TO DO ALL OF THEM.

YOU NEED TO DO MOST OF THEM.

AND IT'S A TOUGH DECISION TO NOT HAVE ENOUGH CAPITAL TO GO AROUND AND YOU HAVE TO PICK AND CHOOSE.

SO SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WAS AROUND HOW MUCH CAN WE AFFORD AND WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COME FROM SINCE IT HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.

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UH, WE DID ISSUE A BOND TO COVER, UH, UH, THE LION'S SHARE OF THIS, UH, BACK IN FEBRUARY AT A VERY ATTRACTIVE INTEREST RATE BEFORE INTEREST RATES WENT UP.

AND, UH, UH, SO THERE, THERE'S A LARGE SLUG OF IT, BUT SINCE THEN, INFLATION HAS COME BACK AND, AND THE COST OF THE PROJECT HAS GONE UP QUITE A BIT.

SO WE HAD A LITTLE DISCUSSION AROUND, UM, GOING FORWARD, IF, IF, IF YES, WHEN, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY, UM, WITHOUT CROWDING OUT OR COMPROMISING PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE RESCUE SHERIFF DEPUTIES, CUZ IF YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE OR IS A BURGLAR IN YOUR HOUSE, YOU DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A, A FURTHER DELAY CUZ RESOURCES WERE ALLOCATED ELSEWHERE.

YOU WANT YOUR HOUSE FIRE TO BE PUT OUT AND YOUR BURGLAR TO BE, UH, DEALT WITH.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT TRADE OFF AND THE AFFORDABILITY, UM, UM, CITIZENS APPROVE THE, UH, REFERENDUM BY A WIDE MARGIN, 85%, UH, WHEN THE COST WAS A LOT LOWER.

WE KNOW THE COST HAS DRIFTED HIGHER.

SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WHERE WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BREACH THE TRUST THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE GIVEN US TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND PROCEED WITH A LARGE DOLLAR PROJECT LIKE THIS.

UM, AND AS THE PRICE DRIFTS UP, YOU WONDER IF THE SUPPORT WOULD DRIFT UP WITH IT OR IF IT WOULD START TO, UH, DETERIORATE.

SO WE JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S CALLS FOR A LITTLE BIT OF SPECULATION.

UM, AND THEN WILL THE NUMBERS CHANGE FROM HERE? WE'VE SEEN THE NUMBERS CHANGE QUITE A BIT SINCE THIS WAS FIRST STARTED A COUPLE YEARS BACK.

NOW WE'VE GOT IN HAND, I GUESS FOR THE FIRST TIME, A FIXED DOLLAR, UH, CONTRACT WITH ASSURITY BOND FOR, UH, OR AT LEAST SOME ASSURANCE FOR SOME OF THE COST OVERRUNS.

SO WE HAVE A, A I GUESS FOR THE FIRST TIME, A HARD NUMBER.

UM, UP UNTIL NOW, UNTIL WE GOT A CONTRACT NUMBER WITH A FIXED NUMBER, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LIKE NAILING GELATIN A WALL.

YOU TRY AND KNOCK DOWN WHAT'S THE ACTUAL PRICE OF THIS GONNA BE AND THEN IT JUST SLIPS AWAY FROM YOU.

BUT NOW WE THINK WE'VE GOT A NUMBER THAT THAT'S REAL AND THAT IS SOLID AND IT'S HARD.

AND WE HEARD REPRESENTATIONS THAT, UM, IT WILL BE RE RESPECTED AND UH, AND ADHERED TO.

UH, CUZ THAT'S CERTAINLY A CONCERN AMONG CITIZENS.

SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT.

WE DIDN'T REHASH, UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED A SCHOOL OR NOT? WE DIDN'T GO BACK AND REHASH SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, THE SITE LOCATION, ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN DECIDED, UH, UH, IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST.

SO WE REALLY JUST FOCUSED ON GOING FORWARD, UM, IF NOW WHEN AND CAN WE AFFORD? AND HOW MUCH OF WHAT THE SOURCES BE AS FAR AS THE SOURCES COME.

UM, THE, THE SCHOOL DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB EVERY YEAR WITH THEIR BUDGET OPERATING WITH A, WITH A DRUM TIGHT BUDGET WITH NO FAT AND, AND NO EXCESS IN THERE.

THE COUNTY DOES THE EXACT SAME THING AND OPERATES WITH A DRUM TIGHT BUDGET WITH NO EXCESS ANYWHERE.

AND TO HAVE A SURPRISE OF THIS MAGNITUDE, WHICH IS ABOUT A, A THIRD OF A FULL YEAR'S REVENUE, UH, TO COME UP, WHERE DO YOU FIND THAT WHEN YOU'VE GOT BOTH SIDES RUNNING DRUM TIGHT, UH, BUDGETS WITH NO FAT, WHERE DO YOU GET THAT MONEY FROM? AND SO WE STARTED TO DE DELVE INTO THE SOURCES AND WE WENT, UH, THROUGH THE SOURCES AND STARTED WITH SOURCES THAT WOULD BE PROPERLY DEDICATED TOWARDS SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL RELATED PROJECTS.

AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ONES OF THOSE, I WON'T GO THROUGH THEM ALL, BUT YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING FROM SCHOOL PROFFERS TO THE, THE BOND ISSUANCE MONEY TO BOND PREMIUMS THAT COULD BE PROPERLY ALLOCATED TOWARD THE SCHOOL SIDE OF THE PROJECTS.

THERE WAS A LONG LIST OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WERE REALLY SCHOOL RELATED AND THAT WAS PRETTY EASY TO, TO SAY, OKAY, IF THEY'RE SCHOOL RELATED, THEY'RE ONE TIME SOURCES, ONE TIME USE, IT'S A GOOD MATCH OF FUNDS, IT'S A GOOD WAY TO GO.

GOT A LITTLE MORE TRICKY WHEN WE GOT INTO SOME OF THE DEEPER DIVES ON SOME OF THE, UH, SOURCES THAT COULD BE USED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY OR GENERAL GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS.

AND, AND, BUT BIG COULD PROPERLY ALSO BE USED FOR THE SCHOOLS AS WELL.

SO HOW MUCH OF THAT DO YOU REDEDICATE TOWARD ONE DIRECTION VERSUS THE OTHERS? A LITTLE BIT OF DEBATE AROUND THAT.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE WE SAW HOW HOW CLOSE THAT, UH, HOW MUCH THAT CLOSED THE GAP THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.

UM, THE GAP WE WERE LOOKING FOR, THE SHORTFALL WAS ABOUT 15 MILLION OR SO WAS THE LA LATEST PRICE INCREASE TO GET TO THAT FIXED PRICE CONTRACT.

AND THAT WAS OUR GOAL, TO TRY AND FIND THAT KIND OF A MONEY WITHOUT COMPROMISING, WITHOUT COMPROMISING PUBLIC SAFETY AT ALL AND WITHOUT RAISING TAXES AT ALL AND WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS.

SO THAT WAS KIND OF OUR GOAL.

SEEMS LIKE AN IMPOSSIBLE GOAL, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO HERE IN GUTZON BEFORE NOON.

SO WE, WE SET OUT TO DO THAT TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT DOES IT MAKE SENSE OR NOT THAT MR. CHAIR WAS KIND OF A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT WENT ON IN THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING LEADING UP TO THIS.

UM, SO IT WAS A GENERAL CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD GENERAL CONSENSUS AROUND, UH, UH, MOVING FORWARD NOW, UM, SOME CONSENSUS AROUND FUNDING SOURCES, BUT STILL SOME OPEN ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU MR. PETERSON.

OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, OTHER THOUGHTS? MS. LASETTE? OKAY.

UM, YEAH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

SO I, I THINK MOST OF US CAN AGREE THAT THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN HORRENDOUS.

IT'S PUT EVERYONE IN A BAD POSITION, UM, BOTH FROM THE SCHOOL DIVISION AND THE COUNTY.

NOT THAT IT'S ANYONE'S FAULT OR A LOT OF, IT'S NOT ANYONE'S FAULT, IT'S BEEN THE ECONOMY OR WHATEVER, BUT,

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UM, I HOPE WE ARE NEVER IN THIS POSITION AGAIN.

THIS IS, UM, SOME OF THE TOUGHEST DECISIONS WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE.

I THINK, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST FOLKS THAT I'M GONNA HAVE TO TAKE.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET THE YES ON THIS.

UH, THE CITIZENS ASK FOR A NEW SCHOOL AT ABOUT 37 OR 40 MILLION.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY.

THAT'S NOT WHAT CITIZENS ASK FOR.

AND TO ME, I'D PERSONALLY RATHER GO OUT ON ANOTHER BOND AND ASK THE CITIZENS AGAIN, ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY 55% MORE FOR SCHOOL THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID YOU WANTED? UM, AS MR. PETERSON SAID, WE CAN FIND THE MONEY, WHICH IS GOOD.

WE'VE WORKED FOR 11, 12 YEARS TO PUT THIS COUNTY IN GOOD PHYSICAL CONDITION.

SO WHEN BAD TIMES CAME, WE WOULD HAVE RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH IT.

WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GONNA BE A SCHOOL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE THE ECONOMY TURNING DOWN OR, YOU KNOW, SOME MAJOR RECESSION OR WHATEVER.

BUT HERE WE ARE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT, BUT THE FACT THAT WE CAN FIND THE MONEY, DOES THAT MEAN WE SHOULD FIND THE MONEY? AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M STUCK.

UM, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO GET TO YES ON THIS, BUT I DO NOT WANNA JEOPARDIZE ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO IN THIS COUNTY.

UM, AND I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS, THIS MONEY WE'RE NOT PUTTING ASIDE FOR OUR NEW FIRE STATION.

UH, THE INFLATION COST.

IF THIS SCHOOL CAME IN AT 55% HIGHER, OUR FIRE STATION'S PROBABLY GONNA COME IN AT 50% HIGHER.

SO, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, UH, IN THIS PLAN, AT LEAST TO ADDRESS THAT INFLATION.

SO, I MEAN, I STILL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.

I'M NOT SURE.

I'M NOT SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING, HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA REVISIT IS IT THE RIGHT SITE? IS IT THE BUILDING TOO BIG? SHOULD WE SCALE THINGS BACK? SHOULD WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S A LITTLE LATE FOR THAT NOW.

WE'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH THE CONTRACT.

UM, IT'S EITHER THAT OR GO COMPLETELY BACK OUT INTO THE MARKET.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND.

I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING TO THE COUNTY, AND I JUST THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S A REALLY HORRENDOUS SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU, MS. LASETTE.

ANYBODY FROM THE SIDE OF THE ROOM? I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH, WITH SUSAN, UM, THAT THE THING IS HORRENDOUS SITUATIONS REQUIRE GOOD LEADERSHIP.

AND I DO BELIEVE IN THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS ON THIS DA AND THAT WE CAN FIND WAYS TO MANAGE THROUGH IT.

UM, I SAID THIS EARLIER, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.

I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE A SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT IS DOING MORE WITH LESS.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

LIKE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN WALK AROUND OUR FACILITIES AND SAY THAT THEY'RE DOING BETTER THAN OTHER COUNTIES AND OTHER AREAS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

UM, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.

THIS IS, THERE IS NO, NO NEED TO POINT FINGERS IN THIS SITUATION.

WE HAVE A MACROECONOMIC SITUATION THAT NOBODY COULD HAVE PREDICTED TWO YEARS AGO, AND WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF IT AND LET'S MANAGE THROUGH IT AND LET'S SHOW THE LEADERSHIP THAT THIS COUNTY CAN DO.

UM, THAT I CAME INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, HALF I, I, I DON'T HAVE THE SCAR TISSUE OF PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS, BUT I DO WANT TO FIND A WAY TO GET TO YES, AS MS. LAS GLUT SAID AS WELL.

AND I'M GONNA PUT FAITH IN THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND, AND, AND HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS IN RETURN BECAUSE THIS IS A CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN OUR FUTURE OF THE COUNTY.

SO THAT IS, THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST EMOTIONAL YOU'LL GET OUT OF ME EVER ON THIS DAY.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I DO BELIEVE IN.

SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THE OUT PUT THAT OUT THERE.

THANK YOU MR. VADERS.

MY TURN.

YEAH.

YEP.

I'LL THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, THIS IS A, IT IS, IT IS A BIG VOTE.

IT'S AN IMPORTANT VOTE.

UM,

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IT'S A POLITICAL DECISION TOO.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY.

AND I SAY POLITICAL, NOT IN PARTISAN, BUT IT'S POLITICAL IN THAT WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS WITH PUBLIC MONEY.

UM, AND, AND A LOT OF IT, IT'S OTHER, IT'S A 39% IN INCREASE.

UM, I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT I ALSO KNOW EVERYBODY UP HERE KNOWS WE NEED A NEW SCHOOL.

THANK YOU MS. MCKAY, FOR KEEPING THINGS GOING AT GUC AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

THIS, THIS IS KIND OF A BOOKEND EVENT FOR ME.

WHEN I, WHEN I GOT ELECTED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD IN 2011 AND, AND WE STARTED IN 2012, UH, THE TWO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT WERE ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THAT END WENT WITH THE, THE NEW SCHOOL BOARD AND WE TOURED, TOURED GUCCI ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

AND I WAS SO ENCOURAGED BECAUSE I REPRESENT THE COURTHOUSE DISTRICT HERE IN THE CENTER AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NEEDS AT BYRD AND RANDOLPH AND EVERYWHERE, BUT OF COURSE I'M CHEERING FOR MY, MY DISTRICT.

BUT, UH, IT WASN'T MUCH OF A SELL BECAUSE PEOPLE WALKED, UH, ALL OF US WALKED IN THERE, THE 10 OF US, AND WE TOURED AND LIKE, WE NEED, THIS NEEDS TO BECOME A PRIORITY.

SO HERE WE ARE 11 YEARS LATER.

SO I'M, OF COURSE IT'S DISAPPOINTING.

IT'S, I'M, I'M NOT FRUSTRATED OR ANGRY.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

I'M HOPING WE'VE LEARNED SOMETHING IN, IN THIS PROCESS, BUT THIS IS THE OTHER END OF THAT BOOKEND.

AND I, I WISH THIS WAS AN EASIER OR OR MORE PLEASANT PROCESS AT THIS END TO, TO FINALLY GET THIS THING THAT WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, UH, 2012 WHEN WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO DO THIS.

SO WE ALL KNOW, UH, MR. PETERSON RECOUNTED THAT THE SENTIMENT THIS MORNING WHEN THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, DO WE PROCEED? AND, AND THE ANSWER IS YES.

UM, BUT I HOPE WE'VE LEARNED SOMETHING IN THIS PROCESS.

I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU HONESTLY, I THINK, AGAIN, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I FEEL CORNERED BECAUSE EITHER VOTE WHAT WHATEVER WE VOTE IS IT, IT'S SUBJECT TO VALID ATTACK.

WE'RE SPENDING WAY TOO MUCH MONEY.

THE CITIZENS WANTED US, THE CITIZENS AGREED TO DO A A $40 MILLION SCHOOL.

AND HERE WE ARE AT 56 MILLION.

UM, IF, IF SO IF WE DON'T, IF WE, AND IF WE DON'T DO IT, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE JUST TRY TO ADJUST AND, AND TRY TO GET IT DONE, IT'S, IT, THE TIMING IS SUCH THAT YOU HAVE UNTIL THIS JUST A FEW MORE WEEKS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO LOCK IN THIS CONTRACT.

SO ANYTHING LESS THAN A FULL APPROPRIATION IS, UH, AND I, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE EARLIER MEETING, AT THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING.

I THINK THE QUESTION WAS ASKED IF WE, IF WE APPROPRIATED SOMETHING LESS, WOULD THE SCHOOL BOARD PROCEED? AND I THINK THAT'S AN, UH, AGAIN, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, THAT'S A COMPLETE NON-STARTER BECAUSE ONCE YOU SIGN A CONTRACT FOR 56 MILLION, WE'RE ON THE HOOK.

AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO SET UP A FURTHER FIGHT BETWEEN THE SCHOOL BOARD AND, AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

SO WE HAVE TO COME THROUGH AND, AND, AND, AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

IT'S EITHER KICK THIS DOWN THE ROAD FOR A YEAR OR JUST FIND THE MONEY.

UM, MS. LASETTE SAID WE CAN FIND THE MONEY AND WE CAN, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COST, IT'S ADDITIONAL BOND PREMIUM FUNDS OF $4 MILLION.

WE ALREADY HAVE 5 MILLION IN, IN PART OF THIS CLOSING THE GAP, AND THAT'S ANOTHER 4 MILLION IN BOND.

SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, UH, THAT LEAVES A NINE, 900,000 OF BOND PREMIUM.

SO THERE'S THE VAST MAJORITY OF BOND BOND PREMIUM GOING TO THIS PROJECT.

CVT A FUNDS 2 MILLION, UM, THAT'S GONNA LEAVE, UH, SIX, UH, NO 1 MILLION.

SO THERE'S A CLOSE TO A THIRD OF OUR CVT A FUNDS GOING INTO THIS.

UM, AND THEN, AND THEN THE 1 MILLION MORE OF, OF THE GENERAL FUND ASSIGNMENT FUND BALANCE IS GONNA LEAVE 600,000.

AND WE DO HAVE THE FIREHOUSE AND THE COURTHOUSE.

AND I'M, I'M GETTING CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMING ON THE COURTHOUSE, UH, BECAUSE, UH, WHEN I SAT WITH THE JUDGE, WHEN, WHEN MR. ESKI WAS HERE A FEW YEARS BACK, HE, THE JUDGE WAS, UH, VERY CLEAR IN HIS EXPECTATIONS.

AND, AND HE'S BEEN RUNNING A COURTHOUSE.

HE AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAVE BEEN OPERATING A COURTHOUSE.

THAT IS, IS REALLY, IT IS, YEAH, WE SHOULD GO TOUR THAT AGAIN LIKE WE DID.

AND I THINK YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME REACTION UP HERE THAT WE HAD IN 2012 WHEN WE TOURED GES SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET ON THIS.

SO THIS IS TOUGH.

UM, I, I GUESS IS THERE A BOARD MEMBER THAT WANTS TO COME FORWARD, A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER THAT WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND, AND, AND KIND OF MAKE THIS ASK? UM, AND THAT'S, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY ON THE SPOT, BUT I, I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF WE HEARD FROM A, A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, UM, BECAUSE A REACTION, A REACTION THAT, A REACTION THAT WE MAY HAVE TO THIS IS WE, LIKE I SAID,

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WE FEEL CORNERED AND ONE OF THE REACTIONS WE COULD HAVE, DR.

RAYLEY AND YOU WERE SAYING AT THE AUDIT FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING THAT YOU'RE COMMITTED TO BRINGING US IN UNDER BUDGET.

WELL, I WANT TO TRUST THAT AND WE HAVE TO TRUST IT BECAUSE THIS BOARD HAS NO BUSINESS GETTING INTO THE SCHOOL BOARD'S BUSINESS OF BUILDING THE SCHOOL.

BUT IF WE'RE SCARED AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU'RE COMMITTING, THEN I'M THINKING WE NEED TO MICROMANAGE THIS PROJECT ON OUR END.

BUT I HAD, EVEN TODAY, I HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSIONS WITH DEBBIE WHITE ABOUT THE PLANS ON THAT END, AND THAT INSTILLED SOME CONFIDENCE IN ME.

AND ALSO ON THE GRANTS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GRANTS AND EVERY TIME WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU, DR.

RAYLEY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T THINK WE QUALIFY.

UM, AND I'M WONDERING, DOES THE SCHOOL BOARD KNOW THAT? I'VE NOT HEARD FROM A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER THAT EXPLAINED THAT, BUT TODAY I LOOKED AT THE FORM THAT THE V IS ON THE VIDEO, VIDEO V D O E WEBSITE FOR SCHOOL FUNDING.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TIER THREE, TIER TWO, TIER ONE, WE ARE A TIER ONE SCHOOL.

BUT I WAS ENCOURAGED WHEN DEBBIE WHITE TOLD ME, I ASKED HER IF Y'ALL APPLIED FOR THAT, SHE PULLED OUT A SPREADSHEET AND SHOWED ME IN GREAT DETAIL HOW SHE'D SCORED EVERYTHING IN THAT, IN THAT APPLICATION.

SO THINGS HAVE HAPPENED TODAY THAT HAVE MADE, MADE ME MORE COMFORTABLE.

UM, AND WE WANT, WE WANT THE SCHOOL BOARD TO DO THE SCHOOL BOARD'S JOB, BUT THE SCHOOL BOARD NEEDS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS TOO.

WE, WE AS, AS WE ARE GONNA NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COURTHOUSE AND THE FIRE STATIONS.

SO, UM, UH, MR. NEWMAN, YOU, YOU CAME UP.

IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK A, A LITTLE BIT MORE ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, IT WOULD JUST MAKE ME FEEL BETTER.

I APOLOGIZE.

YES, SIR.

TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

SO I HAVE NOTHING PREPARED IN FRONT OF ME.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU FROM THE HEART WHAT I BELIEVE.

UM, GOING BACK TWO YEARS, UM, WE ACKNOWLEDGED AT THE VERY BEGINNING THAT WE HAD NOT BUILT A SCHOOL BEFORE.

UM, AND WE'VE LEARNED EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD ALONG THE WAY FROM THE TYPE OF SUPPORT THAT CAN BE OFFERED, SUCH AS THE OWNER'S REP.

WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH, BUT THIS PERSON DOES THIS, UH, FIRM AS ONE THAT WE'VE TALKED WITH, UM, ALL FIVE BOARD MEMBERS I THINK I CAN SAY, WITH NO DOUBT.

UH, WE HAVE, UM, CONSIDERED EVERY PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SCHOOL NEED FOR A SCHOOL LOCATION OF A SCHOOL.

WE HAVE GONE BACK AND WE DIDN'T REHASH ANYTHING THIS MORNING, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE OVER THE LAST YEAR, UH, FROM LOCATION TO SIZE TO DESIGN.

UH, THIS IS NOT A PALACE THAT WE'RE BUILDING.

IT'S A LEARNING ENVIRONMENT THAT WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVED OVER WHAT EXISTS FOR THE STUDENTS.

UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT, UH, MY EXPERIENCE IN GUION HAS BEEN, UM, THAT WE ARE WORKING HARD AND TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW ABOUT SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION NOW, IT'S VERY LIMITED.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT HAVE CONFRONTED ANYONE TRYING TO DO THIS.

AND WE BEGAN AT A TIME WHERE IT WAS ALL A FAVORABLE KIND OF EXPERIENCE.

THINGS HAPPENED, WHICH ALL OF US HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED NO ONE COULD HAVE PREDICTED OR PLANNED FOR, BUT IT'S THE RESULT THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

UM, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY I COULD HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE IN THAN THE ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM FOR SCHOOLS, BECAUSE BETWEEN THE FINANCE AND THE TEAM THAT'S REALLY ANALYZING EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU HAVE ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE IN WHAT THEY'VE DONE, WHAT THEY'VE LEARNED, WHAT THEY HAVE REDONE AS A RESULT OF WHAT THEY LEARNED.

SO I SUPPORT THE PLAN.

I SIGNED THE LETTER THAT CAME TO YOU AND I DON'T REGRET THAT.

THANK YOU.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S, NO, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO, YES, I THINK KICKING IT DOWN OUT A YEAR IS, IS NOT WHAT REALLY ANYBODY WANTS.

UM, THANK YOU TO MR. PETERSON AND, AND OUR FINANCE TEAM FOR REALLY COMBING THROUGH THE NUMBERS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

UM, I THINK WE HAVE SOMETHING HERE THAT I CAN GET BEHIND, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE US.

I GUESS

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THAT'S A DISADVANTAGE OF BEING A SMALL COUNTY.

IF YOU'RE IN A LOUDOUN WHERE THEY WERE BUILDING THREE BUILDINGS A YEAR, YOU PROBABLY FIGURE THESE THINGS OUT AND YOU LEARN, LEARN HOW TO, HOW TO MANAGE PROJECTS.

AND ALSO WORK TOGETHER IS, IS CO-EQUAL BOARDS, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE WITH THE APPROPRIATING AND, AND THE OTHER WITH THE MANAGEMENT.

SO I HOPE WE CAN CAPTURE SOME OF WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THIS AND, AND MAYBE DOCUMENT IT FOR FUTURE BOARDS, CUZ WE DO HAVE TWO OTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS THAT YOU KNOW ARE GONNA BE ON, ON TAP.

UM, LET ME ASK, UH, IN, IN THE PROPOSED NUMBERS THAT WE WERE PRESENTED THIS MORNING AT THE AUDIT COMMITTEE, IS THERE ANY CIP P ANY SCHOOL CIP P PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING GIVEN UP THAT ARE IN OUR FIVE YEAR CIP? UM, MS. LUMPKIN, THE, UH, UH, THE FIGURES THAT WERE PRESENTED THIS MORNING DO NOT REFLECT, UM, ABANDONING ANY OF THE CIP P PROJECTS.

SO THE, UH, IN ORIGINAL NUMBERS THAT WERE SHARED WITH THE BOARD, UH, ONE OF THE AREAS WE LOOKED AT WAS DELAYING CIP P PROJECTS.

UM, THAT WOULD, UH, THE LARGEST ONE, UH, WAS, UM, THE HVAC SYSTEM AT THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU NOW.

SO THE, SO THE NUMBERS BRING YOU TO A POSITION THAT WOULD EQUAL WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS REQUESTING WITHOUT REQUIRING US TO DO THAT.

AND FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION, MR. CARPENTER, WE, WE LOOKED AT TWO SETS OF NUMBERS THAT DAY REGARDING THE CIP P UH, NUMBERS, THE NUMBERS AT THE ORIGINAL, AND THEN THE READJUSTED.

SO THE CUTS TO CTE, THE, UM, THE CHANGES TO, TO NOT HAVING THE WRESTLING ROOM.

ARE THOSE NOW BACK IN OR ARE THEY STILL OUT? IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REMOVED NUMBERS, THEN I, I DIDN'T ADJUST ANYTHING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, SO IF THEY EVER TOOK NUMBERS OUT, BUT, BUT THE NUMBERS THAT, THAT WE ARE GOING WITH DO NOT REFLECT ANY CHANGES TO, UM, UH, TO THE CIP P PROJECT COMING FROM COUNTY STAFF.

THE C I P FROM COUNTY STAFF, DR.

RE, MAYBE YOU COULD, BECAUSE THAT CONFUSED ME IN THE, IN THE FINANCE MEETINGS.

I KNEW I'D HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THAT.

BUT, SO THERE WAS A LIST OF THE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THIS WASN'T JUST AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WE BORROWED THE MONEY FOR.

THERE WAS OTHER PROJECTS WHEN I'M TRYING TO AS ASCERTAIN IS THAT, DID WE HAVE THOSE BEEN CUT FURTHER FROM WHAT WE SAW? UM, IN OUR WORK SESSION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, WELL, I'M ON DECEMBER THE 13TH, THE SCHOOL BOARD APPROVED THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION.

THOSE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ARE STILL IN THE 29 YEAR PLAN.

THEY HAVE BEEN KICKED BACK AT LEAST ONE YEAR, IN SOME CASES MORE THAN ONE YEAR.

UH, I BELIEVE SOME OF THE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN KICKED BACK TO 2033.

UH, SO THERE HAS BEEN AN ADJUSTMENT IN THE APPROVED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, RECOGNIZING THE NEED TO DELAY THOSE FUTURE PROJECTS.

AND SOME MAY BE ELIMINATED IN TIME.

THEY'RE STILL THERE ON PAPER RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN DELAYED SIGNIFICANTLY AND THAT APPROVED CIP P OKAY.

DON'T, DON'T, DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

BUT, UM, SO HOW, HOW HAVE YOU MOVED ANYTHING OUT OF THE FIVE YEAR CIP P OR HOW MUCH HAVE YOU MOVED OUT OF THE FIVE YEAR CIP P IN WHAT YOU LATEST? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE HAVE IT EXACTLY IN FRONT OF ME AND I DON'T WANT TO, I'M SURE YOU'RE, I'M SURE DEPUTY WHITES SPEAKS, I'M SURE.

UH, AND I DIDN'T BRING MY LAPTOP WITH ME, BUT MS. WADE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING FORWARD AND HELPING ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.

WELL, WHILE YOU, WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT, I CAN ASK, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU EXHAUSTED ALL THE GRANT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU'VE, HAVE YOU SOUGHT AND EXHAUSTED ALL THE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE OUT THERE? YES, WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.

THE GRANT THAT YOU REFERENCED, MR. LUMPKINS, UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT APPLICATION BEING LIVE.

WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE IF IT IS, BUT, UH, IF, IF IT IS LIVE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT APPLICATION.

UH, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR A, A FEDERAL GRANT RIGHT NOW.

THE EPA HAS SOME FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR MODERNIZATION OF HVAC EQUIPMENT.

WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A PRETTY ATTRACTIVE APPLICATION FOR THAT.

ULTIMATELY, IF WE ARE AWARDED THAT GRANT, THAT COULD BE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT COULD DISPLACE, UH, LOCAL FUNDS AND BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE H V A C NEEDS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY REFERENCED.

SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEEK OPPORTUNITIES BEYOND LOCAL FUNDS TO, UH, SUPPORT OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS.

THIS ONE, THERE'S A SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IS THE ONE I REFERENCED.

YES.

UM, THERE'S ALSO I THINK SOME V D O E GRANTS COMING FOR TO ENHANCE SECURITY.

SO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND SOME SECURITY COMPONENTS COVERED IN SOME GRANTS.

YES.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SEE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED WHEN WE GET, WHEN WE FIELD CORNERED, WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE GOTTA FIND THESE THINGS OUT AND I HOPE I, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING THESE THINGS.

WE, WE, WE, WE APPLIED FOR THE SECURITY GRANT EVERY YEAR.

WE WERE GRANTED THOSE FUNDS PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.

WE APPLIED AGAIN THIS YEAR AND WE'RE NOT GRANTED ANYTHING.

MS. WHITE, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE KEPT, UM, THE CTE EDITION

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AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL HIGH SCHOOL IN UH, RENOVATIONS.

AND WE'VE MOVED THE AUXILIARY GYM, WRESTLING ROOM AND UM, C 1 43 RENOVATION.

MR. CHAIR, WHILE THEY'RE HAVING A SIDEBAR, MAYBE I COULD, UH, INTRODUCE SOME CLARITY FOR SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND CONFUSION ABOUT, UH, THE C I P PROJECTS.

PUBLIC SAFETY VERSUS SCHOOLS VERSUS THE BOND REFERENDUM.

BOND REFERENDUM I BELIEVE WAS 96 MILLION OF WHICH WE DECIDED TO COVER IT INTO TWO PIECES.

ONE 50 MILLION WE DID NOW 1 46, UH, LATER.

THE 50 UP FRONT WAS 42 FOR THE GES AND EIGHT FOR A, A, UH, FIRE STATION.

THE SECOND ROUND TO BE DONE IN THE FUTURE HAD, I THINK IT WAS AROUND 19 MILLION FOR SCHOOLS FOR THOSE VARIETY OF PROJECTS.

THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION, THIS MAY BE WHERE THE CONFUSION MIGHT HAVE COME IN.

THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AROUND, WELL, CAN THE SCHOOLS GRAB SOME OF THAT OTHER PROJECT MONEY OUT IN THE FUTURE AND USE THAT FOR PART OF THE SCHOOLS.

UH, THE ANSWER OF COURSE IS A QUICK NO BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ISSUED THOSE BONDS YET.

THAT'S A SECOND ROUND OF FUNDING.

IF THOSE FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE TODAY, THEY COULD DO THAT.

FUNDS ARE NOT AVAILABLE TODAY CAUSE WE HAVEN'T ISSUED, THAT'S A SECOND ROUND.

THAT WAS ABOUT 19 MILLION OR SO FOR THE SCHOOLS IN THE SECOND ROUND.

SECOND ROUND WAS ALSO A COURTHOUSE, UH, FOR THE NEW COURTHOUSE.

THOSE BONDS HAVEN'T BEEN ISSUED YET.

THEY'VE BEEN AUTHORIZED THROUGH THE REFERENDUM, BUT HAVEN'T BEEN ISSUED YET.

THE FUNDS ARE NOT ON, ON, UH, ON DEPOSIT WITH US THAT DOES THAT HELP? WELL IT DOES AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTRODUCE CONFUSION, BUT, BUT NO, YOU DIDN'T.

BUT 8 MILLION MR. PETERSON, 8 MILLION THEN, CUZ YOU SAID WE, WE ISSUED 50 42 SCHOOLS, 8 MILLION ROUGHLY ROUND NUMBERS.

SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT MOVING ANY OF THAT 8 MILLION IN ANY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES.

THE 8 MILLION.

NO, NOT AT ALL.

NOT AT ALL.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, SOME OF THE BOND PREMIUM AND SOME OF THE C I P INFLATION MONIES ARE BEING HELD ASIDE TO, UH, TO ADD TO THAT 8 MILLION TO COVER SOME COST OVERRUNS ON THAT 8 MILLION PROJECT AS WELL.

AND THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS YOU SEE AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE, BUT THAT'S, WE ARE, WE'RE TAKING IT FROM A, WE'RE GIVING UP 4 MILLION OF THE PREMIUM, RIGHT.

AND TAKING IT DOWN TO LESS THAN A MILLION FOR THE PRESERVATION AND, AND 9 65 RIGHT AROUND 1,000,009 65.

RIGHT.

AND THEN BELOW THAT THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL MONIES FOR CIP P INFLATION AND SO THERE'S SOME MONIES THERE AS WELL.

THOSE TWO COMBINED ARE ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF.

UM, SO THERE IS SOME MONIES FOR COST OVERRUNS ON THAT 8 MILLION AS WELL STILL, STILL SET ASIDE.

UM, THE OTHER 4 MILLION IN THE 5 MILLION WOULD BE GOING, UH, ON THAT MATRIX IS DEDICATED TOWARD THIS PROJECT.

BUT THERE IS MONEY'S LEFT OVER FOR THE OTHER AS WELL.

BUT I THINK YES, SOME MONEY LEFT OVER, BUT I THINK WE, THAT WE'RE GIVING UP MOST OF THE PREMIUM NOW TO THE SCHOOL.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PREMIUMS GOING TO THE SCHOOL BEYOND A PRO RATA SHARE.

YES.

THERE PRO RATA SHARE.

42 OUT OF 50, THERE'S A LITTLE OVER 80%.

SO IF YOU TOOK 80% OF THE PREMIUM JUST AS A PRO RATA SHARE, THERE'S NO SCIENCE TO, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, BUT SO YOU HAVE 60 OR 61 MILLION OF THE TOTAL BOND ISSUANCE WAS ON THE SCHOOL SIDE AND THE BALANCES ON COUNTY SIDE OF THE COMBINED OF THE COMBINED TOTAL BOND 96 COMBINED, NOT THE, NOT THE 50 THAT WAS ISSUED.

SO AREN'T WE REALLY SHIFTING A WHOLE LOT OF THE PREMIUM? OH, IT'S NO LONGER BALANCED, IS IT UP TO THIS SHIFT.

OKAY.

UM, THE 50 THAT WAS ISSUED WAS 42 AND EIGHT, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 80 SOME ODD PERCENT SCHOOLS.

SO IF YOU DID THE PROGRAM PREMIUM IS ON THIS ISSUE, NEVERMIND.

YEP.

WE HAVE NOT ISSUED THE SECOND ROUND YET WHERE THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOME PREMIUM MERIT UNDERSTOOD TO DEAL WITH.

OKAY, I GOT IT.

FAIR.

THANK YOU.

THERE YOU GO.

MR. RELAY, DID YOU WANT, BEFORE I GO TO YOU, MS. LELET, DID YOU WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PROGRAMS THAT WERE MOVED IN? YES SIR.

BEFORE THE LAPTOP DIES OR SOMETHING? ? YES SIR.

SO, UH, WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR ULTIMATELY FOR THE SUPERVISOR'S CONSIDERATION WAS MOVING THE ENGINEERING AS FOR THE CTE ADDITION BACK TO FY 25 WITH CONSTRUCTION TAKING PLACE IN FY 26.

UH, THEY MOVED, THEY CHOSE TO MOVE BACK TO ENGINEERING FOR THE AUXILIARY GYM BACK TO FY 29, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF THE FIVE YEAR WINDOW.

AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT BACK TO FY 30.

WHAT'S THE NUMBER, WHAT'S THE NUMBER ON THAT? THE NUMBER FOR THE AUXILIARY GYM? ALL OF IT.

EACH, EACH ITEM.

OKAY.

SO LEMME GO BACK TO THE CTE EDITION FY 25.

WE'RE LOOKING AT $1,278,830 FOR ENGINEERING AND DESIGN FY 26 $17,543,945 FOR CONSTRUCTION.

THE AUXILIARY GYM IN FY 29, 350 6,000 180 4 FOR ENGINEERING AND DESIGN IN FY $35,845,900 FOR CONSTRUCTION.

WRESTLING ROOM WAS POSTPONED FY 29 WITH 129,883 FOR ENGINEERING AND DESIGN CONSTRUCTION IN FY 31,781,835.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE, OKAY, ATHLETIC FIELDS WAS NOT A, A PART OF THE BOND, BUT WE HAVE POSTPONED THAT PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY BACK TO FY 32 AND 33.

UH, THERE WERE, PART OF THE INITIAL BOND WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT INTERIOR RENOVATIONS TO THE SCHOOL, INCLUDING FINE

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ARTS SPACES AND, UH, COLLABORATIVE SPACES.

AND THERE WERE SOME, SOME FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

UH, THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS, UH, ASKED TO LEAVE THAT IN FY 25, UH, WITH ENGINEERING DESIGN AT 1 96 360 1 IN CONSTRUCTION IN FY 26 AT 2 MILLION 693 8 23.

PART OF THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDED RENOVATIONS TO ONE OF OUR CLASSROOMS. IT'S A LARGE SPACE CALLED CLASSROOM 1 43.

SCHOOL BOARD IS ASKING TO DELAY THAT AND POSTPONE THAT TO FY 29.

UH, ENGINEERING COSTS AT 180 4 96 IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS IN FY 30 AT 2 MILLION 476, 1 78.

SO MANY OF THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN DELAYED OUTSIDE OF THE FIVE YEAR WINDOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CTE ADDITIONS AND INTERIOR RENOVATIONS, UH, TO THE SCHOOL.

THANK YOU DR.

RILEY.

THANK YOU, MS. LASETTE.

OH, MINE.

OKAY.

SO THAT GOT OFF TRACK FROM WHAT MR. LUMPKINS WAS TALKING ABOUT.

SO, MR. PETERSON, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO OUT TO THE MARKET ON THE SECOND HALF OF THE BOND FOR WHAT, THREE TO FIVE YEARS OR WHENEVER THE MARKET? WELL, A COUPLE FACTORS.

RIGHT? WHENEVER THE MARKET WILL ALLOW US, AND ALSO WHEN WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO, TO HANDLE SOME THESE PROJECTS.

UH, BUT WHEN WE DO THAT, WE'RE SAYING APPROXIMATELY OUT OF THE 46 MILLION THAT WE WOULD BE, UH, GOING OUT TO MARKET FOR 19 OF THAT, IT WAS FOR THE SCHOOLS ROUGH NUMBERS.

UM, CAN WE, I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T USE THAT MONEY NOW CAUSE WE HAVEN'T GONE TO BOND.

I MEAN, I'M GONE TO THE MARKET YET.

BUT WHEN WE DO THAT, CAN WE TAKE SOME OF THAT 19 MILLION AND MAKE THE COUNTY WHOLE AGAIN, GIVE 15 MILLION BACK TO THE COUNTY? THE BOND REFERENDUM THAT WAS PASSED BY THE CITIZEN EXPRESSLY USES DEFINED AMOUNTS.

I BELIEVE THERE WAS TWO REFERENDUMS, NOT JUST ONE.

ONE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND ONE FOR SCHOOLS.

SO THOSE RESOURCES ARE DEDICATED TOWARD PUBLIC SAFETY AND SCHOOL USES ONLY.

SO THAT 19 WOULD GO FOR THE SCHOOLS.

CUZ WE'RE GIVING THE MONEY.

WE'RE GIVING THE MONEY TO THE SCHOOLS.

THE BOND MAKES US WHOLE AGAIN, IT'S STILL FOR THE SCHOOLS, RIGHT? WELL, YES AND YES.

THE, THE, THE 15 MILLION WE'VE ALREADY ISSUED, THAT COVERS 40 SOME ODD MILLION RIGHT.

HAS TO BE USED FOR SCHOOLS.

AND THAT'S BEEN ISSUED THAT'LL BE USED FOR SCHOOLS.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE 15 GAP, OTHER 15 GAP, UM, WAS IT, UH, SEVEN OR EIGHT? A LITTLE OVER 8 MILLION, UM, IS SCHOOL RELATED, RIGHT.

DEDICATED, APPROPRIATE USE FOR SCHOOLS ANYWAY.

RIGHT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER SEVEN OR EIGHT.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, I GUESS ABOUT 7 MILLION.

COULD THAT COME OUT OF, OF THE 19? WELL, IT, IT GETS US DOWN TO ABOUT SEVEN AND OUT OF THAT, MOST OF THAT IS THE ADDITIONAL BOND PREMIUM, WHICH AGAIN, IF YOU DO THE PRO RAT SHARE FROM THE PREMIUM THIS YEAR, SO THE NET, THE NET NET NET YOU'RE GETTING DOWN TO IS ABOUT ONE TO 2 MILLION OF NON-SCHOOL RELATED, NON-SCHOOL DEDICATED, NON-SCHOOL RESTRICTED TYPE FUNDING.

UM, ABSENT THAT, IF YOU ASSUME THE PRO HAD SHARE OF THE PREMIUM AND WHATNOT, IS A, AGAIN, THERE'S NO HARD AND FAST RULE THERE, BUT IT'S JUST, IF YOU USE THAT AS THE BASIS, SO IT GETS US DOWN REALLY TO THE, UH, THE CBT A MONEY AND THE CIP P TO COVER INFLATION COSTS.

UH, AND THESE ARE APPROPRIATE USES FOR THOSE FUNDS.

IT'S JUST THEY, THEY WOULD, WOULD COME AT THE EXPENSE OF DOING OTHER PROJECTS ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTY.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT.

THAT'S ALWAYS THE CASE.

IF WE USE IT FOR THE OTHER, IT COMES AT THE EXPENSE OF SCHOOL.

SO IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS THE CASE.

IT'S, IT'S THE CAPITAL ALLOCATION PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WHERE IT'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO GO AROUND, DO EVERYTHING WE WANNA DO.

RIGHT.

THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT.

OKAY.

THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT.

OKAY.

UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS FROM DR.

RAY BEFORE WE GET BACK.

MS. LASETTE, IF YOUR QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED, I DON'T NEED TO SPEAK, BUT THE, WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO SELL TOTAL FROM THIS REFERENDUM, 60 MILLION IN BONDS THAT GO TO SCHOOL PROJECTS, RIGHT.

ACQUIRED AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD BE DOING, GOING TO THE SCHOOL PROJECT.

BUT IT HAS TO BE FROM THE SALE OF THE BONDS IN THE SAME WAY THAT THIS SALE OF, OF BONDS COMMITTEE.

YEAH.

SO I I JUST WANNA SAY WE CUTTING BACK SOME OF THAT MONEY IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REPAY OURSELVES FROM THE FUTURE BOND IT HAS TO GO TO, BUT IT'S GOING FOR THE SCHOOL.

YES, MA'AM.

BUT IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT COMMITMENT.

OKAY.

WHAT IF WE, IT'S A SHAME USE PRIVATE SECTOR FINANCING.

AGAIN, OUR COMMITMENT TO THE REFERENDUM IS THAT WE HAVE THE BONDS GO TO THE TWO DIFFERENT POTS OF MONEY.

AND IN FACT, IN THIS BOND SALE, WE IDENTIFIED AN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD GO TO SCHOOLS EVEN IN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE AMOUNT THAT COMES TO US.

AND, AND THOSE COMMITMENTS HAVE TO BE MET UNDER THE REFERENDUM AND THE BOND DOCUMENTS.

SO THANK YOU MS. UM, SO I'VE BEEN KIND OF QUIET.

ANY

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OF YOU KNOW ME, IT'S NOT LIKE ME.

UM, THIS ONE'S, YOU KNOW, QUITE THE HEAD SCRATCHER.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I TALKING TO PEOPLE, I, I JOKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HEY Y'ALL, I'M TRYING TO FIND THE BEST KENNEL OPEN FOOD LINE Y'ALL HAVE, UH, A LOT TO, TO TALK ABOUT.

AND THE THING THAT I HEAR MOST IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE SCHOOL, BUT DO WE NEED IT NOW? AND ISN'T IT SMARTER TO WAIT? AND THERE'S PROS AND CONS, AND NO ONE HAS GIVEN ME A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT.

SO I SPENT A GOOD PART OF MY, UM, HOLIDAY VACATION LEARNING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION.

UM, AND REALIZING THAT, AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT RESIDENT, EVERYBODY SAYS, WELL, HOUSE PRICES ARE COMING DOWN SO IT'LL BE CHEAPER.

UM, WELL, THAT, THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW IT WORKS.

YOU KNOW, WOOD IS DIFFERENT THAN STEEL AND THERE'S DIFFERENT MARKETS AND THERE'S DIFFERENT, UH, SOURCES AND DIFFERENT IMPACTS AND DIFFERENT GLOBAL IMPACTS ON DIFFERENT MARKETS.

WELL, COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, THERE, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE GONNA BE LAUNCHING THIS AREA, NOT THIS AREA.

WELL, COMMERCIAL'S NOT THE SAME.

AND APPARENTLY UNBEKNOWNS TO ME A MONTH AGO, THERE'S A THING CALLED INSTITUTIONAL, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND INSTITUTIONAL CONSTRUCTION FORECASTS THAT I'M LOOKING AT ARE, ARE SAYING, I DON'T SEE ANY RELIEF COMING IN THE NEXT YEAR, UH, TO 18 MONTHS.

I SEE AN INCREASE OF 5% TO FIVE AND A HALF PERCENT.

UM, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR ME TO GO, YES, WE HAVE TO DO IT NOW.

LIKE WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE, BUT IT'S ENOUGH FOR ME TO GO, I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT IT'S GONNA BE CHEAPER AND, AND WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE SAME SPOT AND HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH DIFFERENT BOARD MAKEUP.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE, WHEN I RAN FOR THIS COUNTY, THIS COUNTY WAS NOT IN THE SAME POSITION WHERE MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WERE VOTED IN.

UH, AND IT WAS A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION.

AND THE, THE THING THAT MOST PEOPLE SAID WAS, DON'T SCREW IT UP.

DON'T RAISE MY TAXES.

OH, BUT BRING ME A STARBUCKS AND A PUBLIX.

UM, THE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I'M TRYING VERY HARD NOT TO DO IS SCREW IT UP AND WITH WHAT I'M, WHAT I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, AND YOU HEARD MS. LES LET MR. PETERSON TALK ABOUT THIS, AND MAYBE WE'LL TALK, GET INTO THIS BEFORE OR AFTER MOTION.

UM, THIS IS GOING TO HURT.

THIS IS GOING TO CAUSE PAIN SOMEWHERE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

AND WHETHER IT'S FOR THESE SCHOOLS, WHETHER IT'S FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, IT, IT'S, THERE IS GOING TO BE PAIN THAT'S GOING TO BE FELT WHEN COVID HIT.

AND WE HAD TO LOOK AT OUR BUDGETS.

WE HAD TO LOOK AT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE LOOK AT, LOOK AT EVERY POSITION, AND WE FROZE IT.

WHY? BECAUSE WE SAID WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, BUT WE NE WE WANT TIME.

LET THE FIRST HALF REAL ESTATE TAXES COME IN.

AND THE NEXT THING WE DID, ONCE THOSE TAXES CAME IN, WE SAW HOW THINGS WERE WE ADDRESSED.

AND WE WOUND UP FUNDING EV ALMOST EVERY POSITION THAT HAD, WE HAD, WE HAD PAUSED THIS, THIS COULD BE, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE IMPACTS.

AND WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE THAT WILL ACTUALLY ENGAGE WITH ME IN CONVERSATION, NOT JUST FIRE OFF AN EMAIL OR A TEXT WHEN THEY ENGAGE.

AND I ASKED 'EM, I SAID, IT'S FINE.

WHAT, WHAT ARE WE GONNA CUT? LIKE, GOSH, I'M GLAD I'M NOT SITTING UP THERE.

YOU KNOW? SO THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT, THIS IS A DIFFICULT POSITION, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE.

AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE, IF YOU'VE NOT COME TO THESE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO TALK UP HERE.

MOST, I DIDN'T REALIZE PRIOR TO RUNNING FOR THE BOARD THAT IT'S ILLEGAL FOR ALL OF US TO TALK TOGETHER ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.

WE HAVE TO DO IT IN PUBLIC FORUMS. SO WHERE A LOT OF TIMES YOU'RE LIKE, WHY DIDN'T YOU ALL HASH THIS OUT? WELL, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE DO THE HASHING OUT.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND HOPEFULLY THIS YOU'RE LEARNING HOW, HOW, UH, HOW DIFFICULT THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE AND HOW WE DO NOT WANNA SCREW IT UP AND WE WANT TO GET IT RIGHT.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

GO AHEAD.

MR. MR. CARPENTER.

THE, THIS WHOLE CVT CVT A FUNDING TAKEN, TAKEN TWO THIRDS OF OUR CBTA MONEY AND PUTTING IT INTO THIS.

HAVE WE, I, I KNOW THE ANSWER'S YES, BUT JUST I'D LIKE TO HEAR, WE HAVE VETTED, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE COSTS IN THIS PROJECT AND WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THEY DO MEET THE CBTA REQUIREMENTS.

UM, YES.

MS. LUMPKIN, WE, UH, ORIGINALLY REACHED OUT AND ASKED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO COME UP WITH A LIST OF, UM, THE COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED TRANSPORTATION.

AND I STARTED WITH A PRETTY BROAD CATEGORIES AS I THOUGHT THEY MAY BE, BE CONSTRUED THAT WOULD INCLUDE PARKING LOTS, UM, ACCESS ROADS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE BUILT.

AND THE ORIGINAL FIGURE THEY CAME BACK WITH WAS OVER $3 MILLION OF THE, THE TOTAL COST COULD BE CONSIDERED TRANSPORTATION.

WE THEN HAD STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT IT, VET IT, AND COMPARE IT TO WHAT THE, THE POLICIES WERE.

AND WE REMOVED OVER A MILLION OF THAT FOR PARKING LOTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE FELT WOULD, WOULD

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PERHAPS MAKE IT, BUT WE COULD NOT BE SURE THEY WOULD MAKE IT.

AND WE DID NOT WANT TO RUN THE RISK OF, OF IT NOT BEING ABOVE BOARD IN SOMETHING.

SO THESE ARE FOCUSED COSTS ON THE ROAD, IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES TO BULLDOG WAY, THINGS THAT ARE RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION, OF WHICH THE CVT A LOCAL FUNDS ARE FOCUSED ON WITH THE STRINGS ARE LESS THAN OTHER PROGRAMS. UM, SO IT GIVES THE BOARD BROAD LEEWAY IN SPENDING THIS MONEY AS LONG AS IT IS ON TRANSPORTATION, MOVING VEHICLES, ESSENTIALLY.

SO, UM, I DO FEEL, AND I HAVEN'T SAID THAT, OBVIOUSLY THE COST OF BUILDING THE ROAD, MAYBE LESS, MAYBE MORE SO.

SO THAT FIGURE IS, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S OUR, IT'S OUR BEST ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD COST.

SO THAT, THAT LEADS TO QUESTION THAT I'VE HAD TODAY.

THIS IS A FIXED, I THANK YOU FOR SENDING THE CONTRACT, BUT IT WAS TOO MUCH TO ABSORB ALL OF IT, PARTICULARLY THE 888 PROJECT PAGES, BUT, WELL, IT'S A LOT.

BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S THE, WHEN, WHEN THE ROADS ARE THE ROADS, THEY'RE SEPARATE CONTRACT, RIGHT? THE ROADS ARE INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT PRICE.

SO MR. CARPENTER, IF YOU HEARD THAT THE ROAD IS INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT PRICE, SO IF IT COMES IN LESS THAT THAT BENEFIT DOES NOT COME BACK TO THE COUNTY, DOES IT, IT BETTER? I WOULD PREFER THAT.

UH, AS FAR AS HOW THE CONTRACTS, SO, SO ARE THERE ANY COSTS OUTSIDE? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE CONTRACT IS A FIXED, WE COMMIT TO THE CONTRACT AND THE CONTRACT IF THE CONTRACTOR CAN BUILD THE ROADS FOR 1 MILLION AND, AND WE, WE, THE CONTRACT CALLS FOR 2 MILLION, THAT'S PROFIT FOR THE CONTRACTOR.

YEAH.

JUST, AND SO, SO ZOOMING OUT A LITTLE BIT BIT, THIS, THIS TOTAL, THE TOTAL COST OF IT'S NOW 55,994,000 7 0 4 IS COMPRISED OF MULTITUDE OF FACTORS, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THE ENGINEERING FEES THAT WE, UH, HAVE TAKEN WITH OUR ARCHITECT, UH, THE OWNER'S, REPRESENTATIVE FIXTURES, FURNITURE, TECHNOLOGY PERMITTING, THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF WHICH ROADS ARE INCLUDED IN THE 40, UM, 44 MILLION FIGURE THAT WE HAVE, AND THEIR CONTINGENCIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT 56 MILLION FEE.

SO THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT GET TO THAT, THAT OVERALL PROJECT COST.

UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY IF THERE ARE SAVINGS THAT COME THROUGH THIS PROJECT THROUGH CHANGE ORDERS THAT WE MAKE, FLOORING, ELECTRICAL SWITCHES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, THAT HELPS OUR BOTTOM LINE, UH, IF THERE ARE CONTINGENCIES THAT ARE LEFT OVER, THAT IS THE OWNERS, THAT IS THE COUNTIES THAT IS OUR FUNDS THAT ULTIMATELY BE RETURNED.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO MICROMANAGE THIS PROJECT.

WE'RE GOING TO SCRUTINIZE ANY SORT OF CHANGE ORDER, IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGE ORDERS AT ALL, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING SOUND DECISIONS TO NOT IMPACT THAT CONTINGENCY, UH, REDUCE SC UM, REDUCE MATERIALS WHERE WE CAN WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE QUALITY OF THE PROJECT AND MAKING THOSE, THOSE MINIATURE DECISIONS.

SO ULTIMATELY WE CAN BRING THIS PROJECT IN UNDER BUDGET, UNDER 56 MILLION.

BUT, BUT IT'S KIND, IT MAKES THIS WHOLE THING A LOT EASIER.

WE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THE 2 MILLION OF CBTA MONEY AND THE 4 MILLION OF THE BOND PREMIUM, BUT WHAT IS THE NUMBER? IT'S OVER 10 MILLION FOR SITE PREP OR SITE WORK.

RIGHT? 10.8 MILLION IN SITE PREP.

ALMOST, ALMOST 11 MILLION DO IF, AND THAT'S IN THE CONTRACT.

SO THAT'S A COMMITMENT.

SO THE CONTRACTOR IS COMMITTED TO DO THE SITE IMPROVEMENT FOR JUST UNDER 11 MILLION.

CORRECT.

SO IF IT COMES IN LESS, THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO THE OWNER? NO, BECAUSE WE'RE, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST A COMPLETE, NOT, NOT FOR THAT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT.

WHERE WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES IS FOR PLAYGROUNDS.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE BUDGETED 4 99 0 86.

YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE ABLE TO SECURE PLAYGROUNDS FOR MUCH LESS THAN THAT, THAT'S SAVINGS.

THAT'S OUR BENEFIT.

OKAY.

FURNITURE WE HAVE CURRENTLY BUDGETED RIGHT NOW FOR ALL THE FURNITURE, 1,472,341, WE'RE ABLE TO SECURE FURNITURE AND GET THAT AT A CHEAPER PRICE.

ULTIMATELY, THOSE SAVINGS GO TO THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE PROJECT, THEN THAT'S OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE, UH, EVEN MORE CONTROL OVER.

IS, IS THERE A RISK OF SITE THE SITE COST COULD BE WORSE THAN THE 11 MILLION.

AND ARE WE, DO WE HAVE EXPOSURE TO COVER THAT? WELL, I THINK YOUR FINANCE PERSON'S A SET CONTRACT, ISN'T IT? YEAH.

IT, IT IS A SET CONTRACT.

IT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

THE CONTRACTOR HAS SEEN THE DRAWINGS.

WE'VE DONE GEOTECHNICAL SAMPLES, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ALL PART OF THE BID.

THERE ARE ALLOWANCES THAT ARE IN THE CONTRACT THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE AS MUCH TOP TOPSOIL, WE GET THE SAVINGS.

UH, WE HAVE QUANTITIES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE CONTRACT THAT SPECIFICALLY COULD RELATE TO, YOU KNOW, MINUSES AND ADD-ONS BASED ON EXPERIENCE.

BUT YOU'RE STANDING HERE BEFORE YOU ON BEHALF, ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND THE SCHOOL BOARD AND SAYING IT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONFIDENT IT'S NOT GONNA GET WORSE THAN THE 56 MILLION.

YEAH.

WE, WE HAVE A FIRM FIXED CONTRACT PRICE.

WE HAVE CONTINGENCIES BUILT IN, WE HAVE FACTORED IN A MULTITUDE OF COSTS.

AND WE FEEL THAT 55 9 9 4 7 0 4 IS THE PRICE OF THIS PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I COULD MM-HMM.

, I'LL LET YOU JUMP IN DR.

RILEY WHILE

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YOU'RE THERE AND, AND TURN MCGEE WHILE, WHILE YOU'RE HERE.

AND MR. CHAIR, UM, JUMPING AHEAD JUST A BIT.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT, WE WOULD BE ASKED TO POSSIBLY APPROPRIATE UP TO AN AMOUNT.

SO IF IT WAS LESS THAN THAT, THE APPROPRIATION WOULD DROP, BUT IT'S A CAP AND WE'RE NOT GOING OVER THAT.

SO WE'D BE APPROPRIATING UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT IF NEEDED TO FINISH THIS CONTRACT.

AND, AND PRESUMABLY YOU WOULD USE SCHOOL RELATED MONIES FIRST AND THEN GO INTO THE OTHER MONIES, YOU KNOW, IN THAT ORDER.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY STAFF IS GONNA JOIN IN ON THE, ON THE DAY TO DAY.

BUT, BUT WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MS. MCGEE, BUT WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT.

NO.

WE'RE JUST BEING ASKED TO APPROPRIATE.

YOU'RE CORRECT.

UH, MR. PETERSON, WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO, AND IT'S NOT THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD TO DO THAT.

THAT IS FOR THE, THE SCHOOL BOARD, UH, HAS IT ON THEIR AGENDA FOR THE 11TH TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO APPROVE THEIR CONTRACT AND AUTHORIZE THE SIGNATURE OF IT.

THAT'S NOT BEFORE US.

IT WAS SHARED WITH US FOR PURPOSES OF TRANSPARENCY THAT SCHOOLS WANTED THE BOARD MEMBERS TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT AND WHAT WAS BEING OFFERED.

BUT THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS.

UH, OURS IS THE FUNDING AND IN THE APPROPRIATION WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY A FIXED AMOUNT THAT HERE'S THE FIXED AMOUNT SCHOOLS IT'D BE UP TO AND NO MORE THAN KIND OF AN APPROPRIATION.

IS THAT, UH, THAT'S BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE INTEREST IN HOW THIS APPROPRIATION WAS GONNA OCCUR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU MS. LAS ON.

UM, SO I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'VE BEEN TALKING, I'VE ADDED TO 'EM.

SO, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, SO THE 56 MILLION IN CHANGE, THAT NUMBER INCLUDES IMPROVEMENTS TO BULLDOG WAY? YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

SO THEREFORE WE CAN USE THE C V T A MONEY FOR THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE CONTRACT, BUT I AM CONCERNED, UM, HOW LONG, Y'ALL HAVEN'T HAD THE CONTRACT VERY LONG, RIGHT? WELL, WE'VE BEEN, WELL, THE BASIS OF THE CONTRACT IS THE INVITATION FOR BID.

A LOT OF THE LEGAL STUFF WAS CONTAINED WITHIN THAT AS FAR AS COVENANTS AND TERMS AND CONDITIONS.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE CONTRACT.

UH, WE HAVE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THEIR SUBMITTAL TO US, AND THEN THERE ARE SOME AIA DOCUMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED.

WE HAVE IT TO A POINT IN TIME WHERE IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROPRIATED AND, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD TOMORROW MORNING, WE'LL TRANSMIT IT TO LEGAL AND FEEL THAT WE CAN HAVE A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND AND HAVE IT PREPARED FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD'S CONSIDERATION NEXT TUESDAY.

UH, IT'S BEEN IN, UH, SHOCKEY'S HANDS FOR A WHILE NOW.

IT'S BEEN IN OUR HANDS FOR A WHILE.

WE HAVE IT AT A PLACE IN TIME WHERE I'M QUITE OPTIMISTIC THAT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY, UH, SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES THAT WOULD IMPACT APPROVAL NEXT TUESDAY.

OKAY.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.

THANK YOU.

SO, UM, I KNOW WHEN WE BUILT OUR HOU OUR NEW HOUSE, WE BOUGHT SOME NEW FURNITURE FOR THE HOUSE, BUT WE ALSO TOOK SOME OF OUR OLD FURNITURE THERE, RIGHT? YEP.

SO IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH ANY EQUIPMENT OR FURNITURE FROM THE, FROM THE EXISTING SCHOOL TO HELP CUT SOME COSTS THERE? YES, MA'AM.

THERE ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY AND FURNITURE ARE GOOD OPPORTUNITIES TO EVALUATE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT IS USABLE.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE PROUD TO HAVE IN A NEW BUILDING.

UM, AS I SAID, WE HAVE BUDGET FIGURES THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER THOSE FIGURES.

OKAY.

AND IF WE, UH, IF WE NEED TO REDUCE THAT FURNITURE BUDGET, UH, AND MAKE SOME CHOICES THERE, WE'RE CERTAINLY ABLE TO DO THAT.

UH, AND SAME WITH EQUIPMENT AND TECHNOLOGY, WE MAY TAKE SOME OF THE SWITCHES POTENTIALLY FROM GUC AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IF WE HAVE TO PUT THEM IN THE NEW SCHOOL.

SO WE, WE HAVE, UH, A FAIR AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S GOOD.

THAT'S GOOD.

SO, UH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT NOT GOING OVER THE BUDGET AMOUNT.

YES, MA'AM.

UM, AND IF THIS WERE TO, WE WERE TO APPROPRIATE THIS MONEY TONIGHT, THERE IS, WE'VE GOT NO OTHER LEEWAY CORRECT.

BEYOND THAT.

RIGHT.

SO, I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IF THE MONEY GOES OVER.

SO, UM, AS LONG AS THAT'S ON THE TABLE AND ACKNOWLEDGED THERE IS, I MEAN, TO ME IT'S ALREADY TOO TIGHT.

YES, MA'AM.

BUT, UM, OKAY, SO LEGAL, UM, I DID WANT TO, UM, OKAY, SO YOU, UH, I'LL PUT LEGAL HERE TWICE.

OKAY.

HOW ABOUT, UM, AND SO WE'RE SAYING NOW IT'S, AND YOU AND I HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

I, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY NOTES, BUT WE'RE, NOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 700 STUDENTS IN THE SCHOOL, RIGHT? 700 STUDENTS PRESCHOOL THROUGH FIVE, COMPRISED OF 650 STUDENTS, KINDERGARTEN THROUGH FIVE AND 50 PRESCHOOL STUDENTS FOR A TOTAL OF 700.

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YES MA'AM.

50 PRESCHOOL.

50 PRESCHOOL, OKAY.

YES, MA'AM.

AND WHERE ARE THOSE PRESCHOOL, PRESCHOOL STUDENTS NOW? THEY'RE CURRENTLY HOUSED, UH, ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF, WELL, WE CALL IT OUR PRESCHOOL CENTER, BUT IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR HERE.

WHAT'S USED TO BE THE, YOU HAVE OUR CT CENTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THEN OUR PRESCHOOL'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

SO IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR HERE.

OKAY.

SO THEY'RE IN THE SAME BUILDING WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? NO, MA'AM.

NO MA'AM.

THEY'RE NOT IN THE SAME BUILDING AS, UH, THE KINDERGARTEN THROUGH FIFTH GRADE STUDENTS.

THEY ARE IN A SEPARATE FACILITY.

OH, OKAY.

OKAY.

GOTCHA, GOTCHA.

SO WE'RE NOT COMPETING WITH THE PRIVATE MARKET FOR THE, ON THE PRESCHOOL, RIGHT? YEAH.

THOSE 50 STUDENTS ARE STUDENTS, UH, WHO HAVE IDENTIFIED DISABILITIES STUDENTS OR MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA.

THERE ARE THREE AND FOUR YEAR OLDS IN THAT PROGRAM.

OKAY.

YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH.

UM, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM.

MR. WILKINS, JUST JUMPING ONTO WHAT MS. LASLOW SAID, FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS LOOKING AT THE DATA, I THINK YOU HAVE AROUND 1200 STUDENTS, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS, RIGHT? IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? YEAH, I'D SAY 1100.

1150.

SO YOU'RE PUTTING HALF OF 'EM IN THIS, IN THIS SCHOOL? SO, OR, OR NO, YOU, YOU'RE NOT, CUZ YOU'RE NOT GONNA FILL THE SCHOOL, BUT YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO, TO PUT HALF OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS IN THIS SCHOOL BUILDING.

YES.

WE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE LAST YEAR THE SCHOOL DIVISION WENT THROUGH A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT PROCESS AND, UH, PENDING APPROVAL.

UH, THE PLAN WOULD BE TO TAKE STUDENTS FROM BOTH THE BIRD ATTENDANT ZONE IN THE RANDOLPH ATTENDANCE ZONE, ABOUT 140 STUDENTS IN TOTAL.

UH, TAKE THOSE FROM THOSE TWO SCHOOLS, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO REMOVE THE TRAILERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON SITE.

AND THE PLAN WOULD BE TO OCCUPY THIS NEW FACILITY UPON OPENING AT ABOUT 75% OCCUPANCY.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA 75% MM-HMM.

.

NOW, AGAIN, THIS IS YOUR, YOUR AREA.

IS THAT, I GUESS, I GUESS I KNOW THE ANSWER'S GONNA BE YES, BUT I MEAN, HONESTLY, IS THAT, IS THAT A COMFORTABLE NUMBER TO LAUNCH A NEW SCHOOL AT 75% CAPACITY? I, I BELIEVE IT GIVES US 20% OF GROWTH OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 60 YEARS.

UH, ULTIMATELY WANNA OPERATE A SCHOOL, NOT AT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT ABOUT 95% CAPACITY.

THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE REALLY EFFICIENT.

SO IT ALLOWS OUR COMMUNITY TO GROW AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ABSORB ANY SORT OF FUTURE GROWTH.

AND THE BEAUTY OF IT BEING IN THE CENTER PART OF THE COUNTY IS, UM, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE SCHOOLS THAT ARE FAR OUT IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN ALLOWS US IF WE NEED TO, IT'S A LOT CHEAPER TO REDISTRICT.

SO IF WE HAVE TO REDISTRICT AGAIN, THEN WE COULD CERTAINLY PULL STUDENTS FROM OTHER SCHOOLS.

AND IT'S BEEN CENTER OF CENTER PART OF THE COUNTY, WHICH HELPS.

SO WITH YOUR CURRENT NUMBERS, IF YOU'RE AT 75%, IF YOU OPENED AT 75% CAPACITY, WHAT'S THAT GONNA TAKE YOUR BURDEN AND RANDOLPH DOWN TO WHAT PER WHAT OCCUPANCY RATES? YEAH.

WE'RE GONNA BE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 75 OR 80% DIVISIONWIDE.

SO IT GIVES US SOME FUTURE CAPABILITIES IN THOSE OTHER TWO FACILITIES AS WELL.

OH, OKAY.

THAT, THAT, THAT DOES.

WE, WE ARE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT SOMETHING IN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.

A VERY, A CRISIS.

YES.

YEAH.

I THINK NEXT LET'S KEEP APPROVING THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? ? YEAH.

THAT'S THE, THOSE ARE INSIDE WORDS.

.

OKAY.

THANK YOU DOCTOR.

YES, SIR.

MR. VAERS.

I'M STILL GREEN, SO I THINK I HAVE SOME LEEWAY TO ASK STUPID QUESTIONS.

UM, FOR OUR IT PEOPLE, IS THE VIDEO PRETTY GOOD IN HERE IN CATCHING THE CROWD OR NO? UM, USUALLY.

OKAY.

UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE ANY EDUCATOR AND MEMBER OF THE SCHOOL BOARD RAISE THEIR HANDS, WHO BELIEVES THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL, KEEP YOUR HANDS RAISED, PLEASE.

, WHO BELIEVES THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL PROJECT TO THE GROWTH OF OUR COMMUNITY.

OKAY.

THAT'S, I I I WANT TO, I WANTED THAT FOR THE RECORD.

AND, UH, WE VIDEO'S PRETTY GOOD, SO WE'LL FIND YOU .

UM, BUT, UM, I, EXCUSE ME FOR MY, TRYING TO MAKE A POINT THAT WAY, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

DR.

RAILEY BOARD.

WHERE ARE WE AT, MR. PETERSON? YEAH, JUST TO, UH, AGAIN, JUST KIND OF CLARIFY WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE STAND ON ALL OF THIS.

UM, AGAIN, NOT APPROVING THE CONTRACT, BUT APPROVING AN APPROPRIATION.

AN APPROPRIATION MOTION MAY BE WORDED IN AN AMOUNT UP TO WHATEVER.

AND WE HAVE SOME IDEA ABOUT THE SOURCES, CUZ OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA PULL THE TRIGGER ON A PROJECT AND NOT HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR EVERY PENNY OF IT.

SO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU AT LEAST HAVE SOME IDEA.

UM, SO WE HAVE SHARED NUMBERS AROUND THE, THE BOARD OF SOURCES

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WHERE WE COULD GO TO TO FUND THIS.

UM, BUT JUST AS WITH OUR ANNUAL BUDGET THAT KICKS OFF AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH YEAR, WE HAVE EXPENSES THAT ARE REASONABLY WELL QUANTIFIED AND WE HAVE EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHERE WE MIGHT GET THAT REVENUE FROM.

BUT AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY WEDDED TO ANY OF THE SOURCES THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH TO IDENTIFY IT.

IT GIVES US THE COMFORT THAT AT LEAST YOU KNOW WHERE IT MIGHT COME FROM, BUT WE'RE NOT WEDDED TO SAY THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE IT NEEDS TO COME FROM.

AND THERE'D BE SOME FLEXIBILITY GOING FORWARD IF THE SCHOOLS HAVE SOME TURNBACK FUNDS OR IF THERE'S SURPLUS HERE, OR IF THEY NEGOTIATE BETTER CONTRACTS OR JUST A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SOURCES.

UM, WE'RE NOT COMMITTING THE USE OF, FOR INSTANCE, CBTA FUNDS AS THE FIRST FUNDS USED AND MAY BE THE LAST FUND'S USED.

AND IF THERE'S WAYS TO FIND O OTHER FUNDS, THEN MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO GET TAP THERE AT ALL.

SO WE'RE NOT WEDDED TO THE INDIVIDUAL AMOUNTS THAT WE'VE, THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED.

THAT'S A LONGWINDED WAY OF ASKING A QUESTION.

UM, THAT'S CORRECT, MR. PETERSON.

UM, WHEREAS IN MANY OF THE TRANSFERS THAT YOU ALL DO OR APPROPRIATIONS DURING THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A CHART IN YOUR RESOLUTION.

IT SAYS THIS AMOUNT FROM HERE AND A A CHART WAS PUT AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS RESOLUTION THAT SIMPLY MIRRORED WHAT THE SCHOOL'S ASKED FOR SINCE WE WEREN'T AWARE OF, OF WHAT IT MIGHT WORK OUT.

I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND MYSELF IS, SHOULD A MOTION BE MADE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION THAT IT BE TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION, TO STRIKE THAT CHART AND SIMPLY SAY UP TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER AMOUNT IS, UM, THE BOARD IS CONSIDERING, UM, FROM GENERAL FUND REVENUE AND, AND ALLOW THOSE FUNDING TO COME FROM, YOU KNOW, UH, SOURCES AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE.

UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'VE DISCUSSED ANY NUMBER OF SOURCES THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE AND THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AFTERNOON IN PARTICULAR, THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING COULD COME, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.

THERE COULD BE SCHOOL TURNBACK MONEY THAT WE DON'T KNOW OF TODAY THAT COULD BE PUT TO IT.

AND THAT BEING SAID, UH, I THINK THE FINANCE DIRECTOR BE COMMITTED TO.

OKAY.

AND IF, IF WE CUT TO THE USE OF THAT FUNDS, AND I ACTUALLY DO NEED THEM TO APPROPRIATE IT FROM THERE TO HERE, YOU KNOW, SHE'D BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU TAKING THAT ACTION IF NECESSARY.

BUT, UM, THE APPROPRIATION UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT, IT WOULD GIVE SCHOOLS THE COMFORT THAT IT IS FUNDED.

BUT WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO GIVE THE BOARD AND THE FINANCE, UH, DIRECTOR AND SCHOOLS EVEN SOME FLEXIBILITY ON WHERE THOSE ACTUAL SOURCES ARE, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED HERE.

BUT THIS WOULD NOT BE A COMMITMENT THAT THESE FUNDS EXACTLY.

ARE THE ONES TO DECIDE.

SO WE'RE NOT DOING THE TRANSFER FROM THIS TO THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT KIND OF THING'S.

UM, IT'S MORE OF JUST AN APPROVED APPROPRIATION, LIKE A BUDGET WHERE YOU'RE SAYING, THIS IS OUR GENERAL THOUGHT GOING ON DOWN THE ROAD.

IF THERE IS SOME ADJUSTMENTS, WE DO MAKE THOSE, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S REALLY JUST THE AMOUNT.

SO YOU TOUCHED ON STRIKE.

STRIKE THE CHART.

THE CHART.

AND THEN I THOUGHT I HEARD THE NUMBER 56,075 MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE COME DOWN BY 80,000.

IS THERE AN A REVISED ASK THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE ASKING FOR? OR IS IT YEAH, THE CURRENT DIFFERENTIAL, MR. PETERSON IS $15,644,930.

COULD YOU SLOWLY PLEASE? SURE.

AND THEN WE'LL DO THAT SECOND.

WHAT WAS THE SIX? SURE.

THE DIFFERENTIAL, UH, BETWEEN CURRENT APPROPRIATION AND TOTAL PROJECT COSTS IS 15 MILLION 6 44, 9 30.

TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET.

55 MILLION 9 9 4 7 0 4 55.

9 94.

7 0 4.

7 0 4.

SO IF, IF THAT WERE THE, IF THAT WERE IN THE MOTION AS THE UP TO NUMBER, THAT 55, 9 94, THAT AND JAMES, THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH, IS THAT YES.

YES, SIR.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BEFORE WE EVEN GOT DOWN THAT ROAD.

YES, BUT THEY DO ALREADY HAVE APPROPRIATED THE 40.

SO I THINK THE NUMBER YOU WOULD FOCUS ON WOULD BE HIS FIF THE DIFFERENTIAL NUMBER.

RIGHT.

AND THE DIFFERENTIAL NUMBER ON OUR SCREEN, ISN'T IT? IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT.

IT'S LONG.

WHAT'S CHANGED? WHAT IS IT? WHAT, WHAT IS IT? 15 6 4 4 9 3 0 GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THANK YOU.

YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

IF WE KEEP TALKING, CAN IT COME DOWN SOME MORE? , , MR. PETERSON, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR THOSE THINGS, YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS ARE RAISED SOME I THOUGHT, I THINK KIND OF IMPORTANT POINTS CUZ THAT'S WHAT I'M SITTING HERE THINKING IS WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON.

CVT A MR. CARPENTER, WE HAVE NOT ASSIGNED ANY C WELL, WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT, BUT, BUT WE'VE DONE VERY LITTLE OF OUR CPTA MONEY HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO PROJECTS.

RIGHT.

UM, YES, MS. LUMPKIN, THE, UM, THE FIGURE THAT STAFF USED WAS TOTALLY UNASSIGNED.

UM, IT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY ASSIGNED FUNDS FROM CB T A THAT WE MAY HAVE ALREADY DONE.

SO THE TWO, THE THE 3.137 MILLION IS THE REMAINING UNASSIGNED.

CORRECT.

SO, MR. PETERSON, I I THINK, I KNOW YOU SAY WE'RE NOT COMMITTING, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE'RE

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GONNA HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASSIGN THESE FUNDS AFTER WE APPROPRIATE, CORRECT? I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE SAYING WE WE CAN LATER.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T.

THAT CBT MONEY GOES AWAY AFTER WE, IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS, BUT OUR, I MEAN, IT GOES AWAY.

IT GOES AWAY IN TERMS OF BEING A AVAILABLE TO, TO GO TO A PROJECT.

IT'S ASSIGNED TO THIS, TO THIS PROJECT.

UN, UN, UN YEAH.

I MEAN, I THINK YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS ARE SPOT ON AND THAT, UM, THERE'S AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS YOU CAN RESTRICT, YOU CAN COMMIT, YOU CAN ASSIGN, ASSIGN IS AVAILABLE FOR REASSIGNMENT, SO YOU CAN ASSIGN IT NOW AND THEN REASSIGN IT LATER IF YOU DON'T NEED IT OR WHATEVER.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, THESE NEED TO BE, I'LL USE THE TERM EARMARK, UH, FOR THE SPECIFIC PROJECT SINCE THIS, THE BASIS FOR OUR CONSIDERATIONS, LOT OF THESE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER POSSIBLE CBTA FUNDING PROJECTS, WHICH WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, WE HAVE, UH, SEVERAL.

WE'RE, WE'RE, WE CAN'T, WE, WE GOTTA SET ASIDE 2 MILLION OUT OF THAT BUCKET.

AND THE, AND THE SAME GOES FOR, FOR ALL OF THE OTHER, UH, SURE.

IT'S, IT'S A GENERAL COMMENT AS WELL AS ANYTHING ELSE.

SO.

GOTCHA.

UM, IN OTHER WORDS, THE PREMIUM WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC SE, PUBLIC SERVICE, UH, OR CORRECT.

PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS AND THAT KIND OF THING.

SO, SO YEAH, THESE OUGHT TO BE WALLED OFF AT SOME LEVEL.

MAYBE NOT LEGALLY OR OFFICIALLY, BUT AT LEAST ASSIGNED OR EARMARKED TO SAY, OKAY, THESE, THIS IS THE BASIS ON WHICH WE CONSIDERED IT.

IS THAT, ARE WE STILL ON FIRM LEGAL GROUND? UH, UH, I BELIEVE SO.

I'M CHECKING WITH FINANCE IN THE AUDIENCE THERE.

SORRY, JEREMY.

YEAH, I MEAN, IF WE DON'T, DON'T YOU GOT, YOU GOT, YOU GOTTA MARKS ARE GOOD.

THEY'RE NOT THAT GOOD.

NOT THE MILLION WHO SAID THAT? .

IT WAS NOT ME.

.

SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU APPROPRIATE FUNDS, THE NEXT DAY THE MONEY IS TRANSFERRED TO THAT FUND.

IN THIS CASE YOU'VE GOT $15 MILLION.

IF WE WANT TO DECIDE AS WE GO, UM, DEBBIE AND I COULD KEEP IN VERY CLOSE CONTACT TO WHENEVER THEY DO A DRAWDOWN, UM, THEY SEND OVER THAT REQUEST AND WE APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS AT THAT TIME OR TRANSFER WE WE'RE APPROPRIATE TRANSFERRED.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY TRANSFERRING THE FUNDS.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO WE CAN DO THIS ONE AS WE GO, BUT IN THEORY, THIS WOULD BE MONEY AT THE END, RIGHT? THEY WOULD GO THROUGH, CORRECT.

THE 40000001ST YES.

AND THEN THIS LAST, YES.

OKAY.

AND I THINK THAT SHOULD, SHOULD BE MADE CLEAR IN THE MOTION.

UH, THANK YOU.

I I AGREE WITH YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

I, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE RESOLUTION APPROPRIATING, UM, UP TO AN ADDITIONAL $15,644,930 FOR THE GUC ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

AND THAT WE STRIKE THE TABLE THAT IS IN THE RESOLUTION THAT'S IN OUR PACKET, AND THAT THESE FUNDS BE TRANSFERRED AFTER THE PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATED BOND FUNDS.

SO I'LL A SECOND THAT.

THANK YOU.

UH, MR. LUMPKINS, MR. VADERS DISCUSSION.

UM, ON THAT, ON THAT MOTION.

I AGREE WITH THE, THE TEXT, THE, THE VERBIAGE WITH A POSSIBLE, DO WE WANT TO ADD SOMETHING LIKE, UM, UH, GOING THROUGH THE, YOU SAID MENTIONED GOING THROUGH THE 41ST THEN DO WE SAY GO THROUGH THE SCHOOL RELATED FUNDS, WHICH IS ABOUT A SEVEN OR 8000002ND SO THAT THE CVT AND THE, UH, SHARED RESOURCES ARE THE, THE LAST DOLLAR SPENT IF WE NEEDED TO? IS THAT I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE, UH, MS. CAVE, WHEN HE'S TALKING, WHEN MR. PETERSON'S TALKING ABOUT SCHOOL RELATED FUNDING SOURCES, I WANT OUR MOTION TO BE CLEAR WHAT THEY ARE.

DO, DO YOU, DOES ANYBODY, DO YOU FINANCE DEPARTMENT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE? I MEAN, WE HAVE THIS SHEET, BUT DO I NEED TO READ 'EM INTO THE RECORD? SHOULD I READ 'EM INTO THE RECORD? LET'S READ 'EM INTO THE RECORD.

OKAY.

SO I'LL, MR. PETERSON, I'LL TRY AND TAKE THE, TAKE MY MOTION, BUT I'LL AMEND IT THAT, UH, AFTER, AFTER THAT, THESE FUNDS THAT WE, ADDITIONAL FUNDS WE ARE APPROPRIATING TONIGHT BE USED AFTER THE 40 MILLION B BE TRANSFERRED AFTER WE HAVE USED THE $40 MILLION BONDS AND THE, THE FOLLOWING OTHER SCHOOL RELATED FUNDING SOURCES.

UM, THE REMAINING, WELL, NO, THAT'S PART OF THE BOND ISSUANCE, THE FIRST ONE, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S RIGHT.

THE REMAINING APPROPRIATION, UH, THAT'S ALREADY IN, THAT'S ALREADY IN THE 40 MILLION.

40 IS IN THE MILLION IN THIS, NO, THAT'S NATIONAL.

THAT'S ADDITIONAL.

SO 1,033,906.

THERE YOU GO.

THEN THE PORTION OF, UH, WELL AGAIN, THE BOND PREMIUM, IT'S, IT'S 5 MILLION, BUT IT'S, IT'S MIGHT AS WELL BE LET, LET'S CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION.

DO, DO YOU CARE WHETHER THE 5 MILLION IS UP? THAT'S THE SCHOOL'S PORTION THAT WE DECIDED EARLIER ANYWAY,

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SO THAT'S WHY THE 4 MILLION IS, SO THE SECOND ITEM, THE SECOND ITEM IS 5 MILLION OF THE BOND PREMIUM.

THE THIRD ITEM IS A POTENTIAL FUTURE INTEREST EARNINGS ON THE BOND OF 1.25 MILLION SCHOOL PROFFERS OF 800,000.

AND, UH, POTENTIAL VALUE ENGINEERING THAT'S, UH, BEEN EXPLORED BY THE SCHOOLS THAT I THINK HAS EVEN INCREASED SINCE THE DAY.

BUT WE'LL USE THE FIGURE OF 611,485 THAT'S ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN THE PRICE.

SO THAT IS, I DO HAVE CURRENT FIGURES.

YES, SIR.

THAT'S 600,000 I THINK IS INCLUDED IN THE 15 NINE OR 15 6 99 PRICE.

THE SIX 11 ISH.

YEAH, I BELIEVE SO.

YEAH.

THAT'S ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

SO THAT'S NOT ADDITIONAL REVENUE.

THAT'S, THAT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS, AS REVENUE TO STRIKE THAT.

SO IT LEAVES US A GAP, RIGHT.

IF WE CAN, AS REVENUE DOES.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO IT LEAVES US A GAP.

IT'S GOTTA BE IN THERE.

WOULD A RECESS BE HELPFUL TO, FOR STAFF TO COORDINATE WITH THE FINANCE TO GET THIS, THESE NUMBERS RIGHT? OR DO YOU THINK WE CAN HASH THIS OUT? I'D LIKE TO GET IT RIGHT.

YEAH.

LET'S TAKE FIVE MINUTES.

SO IF WE COULD TAKE FIVE MINUTES, FOLKS FOR THE STAFF TO CONVENE NO MORE THAN THREE BOARD MEMBERS.

UM, WE'LL BE BACK AT BIG HAND ON THE SIX, RIGHT? RIGHT.

YEAH.

AND I, FOR SOME REASON,

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I

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SEE

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WE'RE BACK LIVE HERE.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS EVERYBODY FOR THAT, FOR THAT RECESS.

UM, I THINK WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD, MR. LUMPKINS, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION, UM, MADE EARLIER AND I WILL MAYBE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION IF MR. VATERS WILL ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL.

I ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL .

OKAY.

SO THANK YOU.

THAT MOTION IS NOW OFF THE TABLE.

SO WHAT'S NEXT, MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE RESOLUTION APPROPRIATING UP TO AN ADDITIONAL 15 MILLION EVEN FOR THE GUC AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION PROJECT WITH THE TABLE THAT IS IN THE RESOLUTION IN OUR PACKET BEING STRICK STRICKEN.

AND THAT THE MONEY AFTER THE PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATED FUNDING BE SPENT IN THE, GENERALLY IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER, REMAINING APPROPRIATION FROM 41.8 MILLION BOND ISSUANCE AN AMOUNT OF 1,033,906, A PORTION OF THE BOND PREMIUM AMOUNT OF 5 MILLION POTENTIAL FUTURE INTEREST EARNINGS ON THE BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF 1.25 MILLION SCHOOL PROFFERS IN THE AMOUNT OF 800,000.

AND THEN THEREAFTER, FROM THE FOLLOWING FUNDING SOURCES ADDITIONAL BOND PREMIUM FUNDS OF 4 MILLION CBTA A TRANSPORTATION FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF 2 MILLION AND 1 MILLION FROM THE PORTION OF THE GENERAL FUND ASSIGNED FUND BALANCE FOR C I P INFLATION COSTS.

THANK YOU, MR. LUMPKINS.

DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

UM, OKAY.

BOARD, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MR. PETERSON? YOU MOTION MR. LAS DISCUSSION SAYS THAT LEAVES A SHORTAGE OF HOW MUCH? SIX, MR. MR. CARPENTER, MIKE? OH, IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 699,000 MORE OR LESS FROM THE, UH, REQUEST IN THE LETTER.

UM, SPEAKING WITH THE SCHOOL, UH, SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVES, THEY, UH, FEEL THEY WILL LIVE WITHIN THE BUDGET AS PRESENTED TO THEM LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS.

DO WE HAVE A, WE DO, WE HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER.

SORRY.

MR. C? DR.

DO YOU HAVE ONE? UH, YES.

MS. LASETTE.

UM, THE DIFFERENTIAL, UH, PRIOR TO THE MOTION

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WAS 15 MILLION 6 4 4 9 30 WITH AN ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF 15 MILLION.

THAT LEAVES A DELTA OF 6 4 4 9 30.

AND, UH, WHAT WE WOULD DO, UM, AS MR. CARPENTER HEAD CERTAINLY WILL LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS, UH, TO CLOSE THAT DELTA, ONE OF THE OPTIONS THE SCHOOL DIVISION CERTAINLY COULD EMPLOY TO, TO CLOSE THAT WOULD BE TO USE ANY SORT OF END OF THE YEAR TURNBACK FUNDS.

IF THERE'S A REMAINDER IN OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET, WE ALWAYS COME TO YOU AND, AND ASK FOR THOSE FUNDS TO BE USED FOR ONE TIME CAPITAL PROJECTS.

CERTAINLY WE COULD DO THAT FOR THE PURCHASE OF ANY SORT OF, UH, ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, UH, WITH THIS PROJECT, EITHER THIS FISCAL YEAR OR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, DEPENDING ON WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WITH OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET.

SO WE FILL THERE OPPORTUNITIES TO USE TURNBACK FUNDS, UH, TO MAKE PURCHASES TO CLOSE THAT GAP.

THANK YOU, DR.

RELEY, MS. LEK, AND MS. AND DR.

RELEY IN ADDITION TO THE V D O E GRANTS? YES, MA'AM.

WE WILL.

AND TECHNOLOGY GRANTS? YES MA'AM.

WE'LL PURSUE THE V D O E GRANTS, ANY SORT OF FEDERAL GRANTS THAT, UH, UH, CAN CERTAINLY BENEFIT OUR SCHOOL DIVISION AND REDUCE THE OVERALL NEED FOR LOCAL FUNDS.

OKAY? YES, MA'AM.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS, THIS HAS BEEN, AS YOU COULD SEE, WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD.

AND THIS IS NOT THE LAST CRACK OF THE APPLE FROM MY, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DR.

EARLIER OR DR.

NEWMAN.

THERE IS, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER, JUST CUZ WE APPROPRIATE DOESN'T MEAN YOUR, YOUR BOARD HAS WILL BE APPROVING THE CONTRACT OR ALLOWING YOU THE EXECUTION OF THE CONTRACT, CORRECT? YES.

PENDING YOUR VOTE, UH, ON THE MOTION.

UH, WE WILL THEN TOMORROW MORNING, BEGIN QUICKLY WORKING ON THE CONTRACT, MAKE SURE IT'S READY FOR SCHOOL BOARD APPROVAL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION, UH, IN THIS ROOM ON THE 10TH IMP PENDING SCHOOL BOARD AUTHORITY TO SIGN THAT CONTRACT.

WE'LL EXECUTE THAT THE NEXT DAY, WHICH WOULD BE THE 11TH OF JUNE, JANUARY.

SO THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZEN INPUT.

YES, SIR.

YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE, FOR MERCY? ALL RIGHT.

ROLL CALL VOTE.

MR. PETERSON.

YES.

MS. LASETTE? YES.

MR. VAS? YES.

MR. LONDON.

MR. YES.

UH, MR. BOHA? YES.

ALRIGHT, HERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

I KNOW WE HAD SORT OF A WORKING BREAK.

DID WE NEED OTHER RECESS? ARE WE READY TO GO INTO THE NEXT CASE? LOOKING GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

FOLKS WANNA BE ABLE EXIT I'M GIVE IT TWO MINUTES JUST TO LET FOLKS AND COUNT STAFF.

ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GONNA HEAD BACK IN, GET BACK INTO THIS.

UM, WE HAVE OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, CRYSTAL ANNIS,

[2. 5574: Countywide - ZOA-2022-00003 - Amendment to Zoning Ordinance Secs.]

WHO WILL BE GOING OVER OUR SECOND, UH, CASE AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE 15 DASH THREE 14 FOR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS.

TAKE IT AWAY.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN SPOON HOWER AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

HAPPY NEW YEAR, AND I PROMISE THIS IS A MUCH MORE, YOU KNOW, LIGHT AND AIRY TOPIC.

SO GLAD TO BE SECOND ACT TONIGHT.

SO, A AS, UH, MR. SPOON, HOWER STATED, I'M CRYSTAL ANNIS, YOUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AND WE HAVE A COUNTYWIDE, UM, ZONING CONSIDERED TONIGHT.

IT IS BASED ON, UM, SOME PROPOSED LANGUAGE CHANGES TO THE SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT PHASING ORDINANCE.

SO, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS, THIS CENTERS AROUND, UM, WHEN WE HAVE OUR SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENTS, THE, UM, TYPICAL THINGS THAT YOU WILL SEE AS FAR AS, UM, ITEMS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE COMPLETION THAT WE REQUIRE, SIDEWALKS, ROADS, WHERE TREES GO, UM, AND WHEN, WHAT TRIGGERS, WHEN THAT'S CONSIDERED SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE AND WHEN IT'S ACCEPTED INTO STATE SYSTEMS OR BY PRIVATE

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UTILITY PROVIDERS, OR EVEN BY THE COUNTY AS PART OF OUR, UM, PUBLIC UTILITY SYSTEM.

UM, SO IN GETTING TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS, THERE, WE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY CONCERNS REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THE TIMING OF SIDEWALK LANDSCAPING AND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AS TO WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY CONSIDER THAT COMPLETE? WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO TRIGGER THAT? SO STAFF HAD THOSE MEETINGS.

STAFF ALSO CONTACTED PEER JURISDICTIONS TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT'S THE BEST PRACTICE? WHERE, WHERE DO WE FALL IN LINE? SO WHAT REALLY PROMPTED THIS WAS A OVERARCHING CONCERN, UM, ON THE STAFF SIDE AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY SIDE, THAT WHAT WE HAD WAS ALL IMPROVEMENTS MUST BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO 50% OF THE LOTS, UM, WITHIN A RECORDED SUBDIVISION, UM, SECTION, RECEIVING BUILDING PERMITS.

SO YOU'RE HAVING TO PUT IN A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER THAT'S TREE WELLS FOR FUTURE TREE PLANTINGS, LET ALONE TREES, SIDEWALKS, CURB AND GUTTER AND ROADS PRIOR TO EVEN THE LOTS BEING SOLD, OR HOMES BEING ERECTED ON THEM, WHICH ALSO LEADS TO, UM, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR DAMAGE TO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

AS A FUTURE PHASE.

CONSTRUCTION IS BUILT OUT, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UM, YOU'RE NO STRANGER TO SEEING, EVEN WITH GOVERNMENT CONSTRUCTION.

THINGS OCCUR IN PHASES, UM, THAT OFTENTIMES OCCURS WITH SUBDIVISIONS, HENCE THE, UH, ANGST HERE.

SO, AGAIN, I TOUCHED ON THE REASON FOR CONCERN, BUT HAPPY TO ELABORATE ON THAT.

SO THERE'S SOME MAJOR LANGUAGE CHANGES.

SO WE'RE PROPOSING THAT INSTEAD OF IT BEING AT A 50% THRESHOLD, MOVING IT TO 80% OF THE LOTS PRIOR TO THE 80%, UM, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS MUST BE ACCEPTED INTO THE STATE SYSTEM.

SO WE'RE STILL REQUIRING THAT THERE'S A THRESHOLD THAT'S MET.

SO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTED BY A PUBLIC UTILITY, PRIVATE UTILITY OR, UM, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WOULD ALREADY HAVE GONE THROUGH, UM, PRIOR TO THIS.

AND INSTEAD OF ALLOWING TWO YEARS FOR THIS PROCESS, IT'S 18 MONTHS, ONCE 80% OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETE.

UM, AND THE SURETY BONDING, UM, IS BEING TWEAKED TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S MORE OF, UM, MORE CLARITY AND CLAWBACKS AS FAR AS IF A DEVELOPER, UM, FALLS THROUGH ON THEIR COMMITMENT TO COMPLETE A DEVELOPMENT.

SOME OTHER CHANGES, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S THE BOND REDUCTION AND RELEASE STANDARDS THAT ARE BEING UPDATED.

WE'RE IMPROVING THE STANDARDS FOR TEMPORARY SUBDIVISION STREET SIGNS.

UM, AS WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT CAN BE A LITTLE CONFUSING WHEN THERE'S NOT CONSISTENCY AND CLARITY ON THAT.

UM, WE'RE CLARIFYING WHAT IS LAWFUL AND UNLAWFUL TO PROCEED WITH, UM, ON A P D, NOT PS, SORRY, P ODS.

I'M STILL IN THE HOLIDAY MODE, UM, WITHOUT AN APPROVED P O D PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT.

SO, UM, OFTENTIMES YOU'LL SEE THAT SOMETIMES SOME FOLKS KIND OF PUSH THE BOUNDARIES WITH LAND DISTURBANCE PERMITS, KIND OF DOING MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN THEY SHOULD AND REALLY SHOULD BE WAITING FOR THEIR APPROVED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT.

SO THIS REALLY HELPS TO CLARIFY THAT LANGUAGE.

AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING TO HAVE EXPLICIT LANGUAGE THAT REQUIRES SUBDIVISION PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHAT IT ACTUALLY HAS TO INCLUDE AND NOT INCLUDE FOR FORMAL RECORD.

UM, SO JUST SOME STAFF COMMENTS AGAIN, AND I'VE TOUCHED ON THAT AGAIN.

STAFF DOES FEEL THAT MOVING TO THE 80%, UM, IS A BETTER THRESHOLD JUST GIVEN THE WEAR AND TEAR THAT WE SEE ON INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS IN SUBDIVISIONS, UM, CLARIFICATION THAT PRIOR TO THE 80% THRESHOLD ROADS WOULD GO INTO THE STATE SYSTEM, I THINK THIS IS A PLUS FOR ALL INVOLVED.

UM, AND THE REDUCTION TIME FROM THE TWO YEARS TO 18 MONTHS FOR IMPROVEMENT COMPLETION.

TIME FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

GOSH, THERE'S A LOT OF STAFF COMMENTS.

GOTTA LOVE IT.

UM, ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS, AGAIN, IT CENTERS ALL ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND JUST THE IMPROVING OF IMPROVEMENT UPON THE BONDING AND THE SURETY REQUIREMENTS, UM, WHICH ARE ALREADY COMMONPLACE.

BUT JUST STRENGTHENING THOSE IN, CLARIFYING THEM.

UH, THIS WAS HEARD AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE DECEMBER MEETING.

THERE WAS A FOUR OH VOTE WITH APPROVAL, UM, FOR YOU ALL TO ACT ON AND, UM, HOPEFULLY, UH, ACCEPT THIS ZONING AMENDMENT.

MR. BREWER WAS ABSENT FROM THAT MEETING AND THERE WAS NOT ANYONE THAT SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

HAPPY TO AN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU.

UH, BOARD ANY QUESTIONS? I DO ONE QUICKLY? YES, PLEASE.

UM, WHETHER THE THRESHOLD IS 50% OR 80% OR ANY OTHER NUMBER, DO WE HAVE ANY TROUBLE DETERMINING WHERE WE'RE AT 50% OR 80%? IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TREES AND SIDEWALKS AND STUFF, I MEAN, IS THAT AN ISSUE? NO, MA'AM.

IT'S BASED OFF OF BUILDING PERMITS AND THEIR APPROVED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY.

SO LET'S NO PROBLEM.

AND DETERMINING NO MA'AM, THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY AT THAT PERCENTAGE? NO, MA'AM.

OKAY.

GOOD ANSWER.

THANK YOU.

.

READY TO GO? SHORT AND SWEET, MR. LUKINS? COUPLE COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UM,

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HA.

HAS THE BUILDING DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY BEEN CONSULTED ON ON THESE CHAIRS? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

UM, I, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE SOME FOLKS FROM THE BUILDING.

WE ACTUALLY, UM, HAVE A MEMBER OF THE BUILDING COMMUNITY HERE THIS EVENING, BUT I JUST WAS ASKING THAT AND BEYOND JUST THAT ONE PERSON PRESENT, THEY'VE BEEN CONSULTED, RIGHT? YES.

SO WE'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE ASSOCIATIONS THAT DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS WELL, AND THEY'VE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW SIMILAR TO, UM, FOR SOME OF OUR, UM, ZONING AMENDMENTS OR ORDINANCE CHANGES, WE WILL ALSO, UM, REACH OUT TO THE FARM BUREAU OR RELEVANT ORGANIZATIONS.

UM, SO WE'VE DONE THAT HERE WITH US AS WELL AND PURE JURISDICTIONS.

GOTCHA.

SO, UM, LANGUAGE WAS ADDED, ADDING PHASED DEVELOPMENTS, AND IT SAYS FOR SUBDIVISIONS BEING DONE IN MULTIPLE PHASES, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE.

UM, SO OH, OKAY.

I, SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW DOES THAT, NORMALLY WE'RE ADDING, WE'RE ADDING THIS, SO HOW DOES THAT NORMALLY WORK? WILL, WILL WE, I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THAT, IS THAT GOING, ARE WE DOING SOMETHING HERE THAT'S GOING TO ENCOURAGE OR DISCOURAGE PHASING OR DOES IT HAVE ANY IMPACT? I DON'T THINK THAT IT HAS A DIRECT IMPACT OF ANYTHING.

IT ENCOURAGES MORE PROPER PLANNING WITH HOW YOU'RE THEN PHASING IN AND WHEN YOU'RE TIMING CERTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE LAID OUT.

BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE THE BEGINNING AMENDMENTS SAY THAT THE AREA DEPICTED ON A P O D MUST INCLUDE ALL OF THE AREAS SHOWN IN THE CORRESPONDING SUBDIVISION FINAL PLAT.

SO IF YOU WERE DOING SOMETHING PHASED, YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE FINAL PLATS, I SUPPOSE THEN.

OKAY.

UM, AND NO ADDITIONAL AREA MAY BE SHOWN ON THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT UNLESS THE P O D ADMINISTRATOR DETERMINES THAT THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY.

IF SO, THEN ONLY THE ADDITIONAL AREAS MAY BE INCLUDED.

CAN YOU GIMME A LITTLE SENSE OF THE IMPACT OF THAT? I WILL DEFER TO MS. SHERRY, THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU.

UM, MR. LUKINS, IT, THAT'S MOSTLY JUST A CLEANUP.

UM, WE FOUND THAT THAT WAS JUST FOR MORE CLARITY SO THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY KNEW WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS WERE SO THAT WE GOT A PLAT, IT WOULD BE CLEAN, UM, A A A P O D WOULD BE CLEAN AND IT WOULD LINE UP WITH THE NEXT SECTION AND NOT SHOW THINGS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE CUZ IT'S NOT PART OF THAT ACTUAL SECTION OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, AND, AND LAST QUESTION.

UM, YOU'VE ADDED BY THE ISSUANCE OF THE, BY THE EARLIER OF ISSUANCE OF BUILDING PERMITS FOR 80% OF THE LOTS ON THE P O D OR 18 MONTHS FROM THE RECORDATION OF THE UNDERLYING FINAL PLAT.

IS THAT, UM, WHERE'D YOU COME UP? IS, IS THAT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE DOING PHASES, IS THAT GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON SAY WE'RE DOING? I WAS THINKING THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE PHASE JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANNA BE UNDER, UNDER THE GUN UNDER THE 18 MONTH.

CORRECT.

AND IS THAT A GOOD THING? UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE THE 18 MONTHS KIND OF CAME FROM AND, AND IS.

SO THE 18 MONTHS WAS TRYING TO ONE, UM, BENCHMARK US AND BRING US IN LINE WITH PEERS AND TWO, TO CREATE A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME, UM, SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING, UM, PERMITS OR PLAN RATHER PLANS OF DEVELOPMENT THAT REMAIN OPEN FOR PROLONGED PERIODS OF TIME AND THINGS THAT THEN HAVE TO STAY ON THE RADAR OF STAFF THAT ULTIMATELY GOES OUT AND CONDUCTS, UM, FIELD INSPECTIONS.

SO IT'S TRYING TO MANAGE IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, FROM A PHASING STANDPOINT, IT'S MORE CONDUCIVE TO HAVE, UM, MAJOR PLANS OF DEVELOPMENT DONE IN PHASES.

UM, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE NOT OVERBUILDING UNDER BUILDING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING IT AS THE MARKET CAN ABSORB BASED ON A SUITABLE RATE OF ABSORPTION.

GOTCHA.

OKAY.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

THANK, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

MR. PETERSON? YES, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU.

UH, I THINK WE'VE VISITED THIS FROM TIME TO TIME IN THE PAST.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME STAFF TURNOVER, BUT, UH, FROM TIME TO TIME, UH, THERE WERE ISSUES WITH, WE PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN, THEN THE TRUCK COMES OVER, DESTROYS THE SIDEWALKS, WE GO BACK AND REPAIR 'EM, COUNTY GOES BACK OUT AND INSPECTS.

IF I DISTILL ALL THIS DOWN BOTTOM LINE WITH THESE CHANGES, IF I HAD TO, WILL THIS INCREASE OR DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME TO COMPLETE A DEVELOPMENT? IN OTHER WORDS, IS THIS GONNA HELP OR HURT STAFF IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH TIME AND EFFORT AND ENERGY IT TAKES TO, TO MAKE, DO ALL THE INSPECTIONS? AND, AND THIS WILL ACTUALLY CREATE EFFICIENCIES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR BETTER TRACKING.

UM, NAMELY WITH BEING ABLE TO BETTER MANAGE, BETTER MANAGE CASELOADS, AND ALSO BETTER, UM, ABLE TO TRACK OUR SURETY.

BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE ENERGOV AND WE'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY MANAGE AND RELEASE SURETY THROUGH THAT.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT WAY BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A LITTLE CUMBERSOME,

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UM, IF WE WOULD'VE CHANGED IT, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT MORE TRACKING ON THE IN-OFFICE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE.

BUT THIS WILL ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR MORE EFFICIENCY AND IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER FOR BUSINESS AS WELL.

THE EFFICIENCY OF GOVERNMENT AND BUSINESS FRIENDLY ARE BOTH ANOMALY.

WHERE DID YOU LEARN THOSE IN SCHOOL? UH, GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

SOLVING ALL THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS TONIGHT.

THERE YOU GO.

WORLD HUNGER, PEACE.

SURE.

MR. WATERS, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVED THE RESIDENT SIR.

QUESTIONS? WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING.

OH, READING LOUD.

SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

I LOVE YOUR ENTHUSIASM.

ENTHUSIASM.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE, UH, FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS? NO.

ALL RIGHT.

IF NOT, THANK YOU.

UM, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT HERE.

MR. HERE WE GO.

JOHN LAW 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.

UM, I SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THE CURRENT VERSION BECAUSE, UH, WHEN THAT WAS ENACTED, STAFF HAD COME AND REQUESTED THAT THE 50% LEVEL BE, BE MET.

AND, UH, AT THAT TIME, AS MY RECOLLECTION IS, THE REQUEST FOR THE CHANGE HAD COME FROM A SINGLE DEVELOPER AND IT WOULD'VE AFFECTED US COUNTYWIDE.

UH, I'M HEARING NOW THAT CURRENT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO BRING EFFICIENCY AND BETTER MANAGEMENT TO, UH, THE PROCESS.

SO I WILL RETRACT MY TWO AND A HALF YEAR AGO OPPOSITION TO IT AND SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE, UM, YEAH, SOMEBODY'S TAKEN NOTES.

UH, IT, IT DOES MAKE SENSE AND IN FACT, I HAVE BEEN QUOTED NOT ALWAYS KINDLY, MY COMMENT AT THE TIME WAS, WELL, SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS THAT YOU GOTTA COMPLY WITH COUNTY ORDINANCE.

SO, UH, MAYBE I WILL GET BACK INTO THE GOOD GRACES OF SOMEBODY WHERE I DO APPRECIATE THE EFFICIENCY AND, AND THE CONCERN WAS STAFF WAS NOT ABLE TO GO OUT AND CONTINUALLY INSPECT, CONTINUALLY INSPECT, CONTINUALLY INSPECT.

UM, AND WHAT I'M HEARING NOW IS I CAN'T SAY THE NAME OF THE NEW SOFTWARE, BUT EVIDENTLY ALLOWS US TO DO THINGS A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENTLY.

SO IF THIS HELPS US BE MORE EFFICIENT AND BUSINESS FRIENDLY, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ABOUT THAT.

SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL, UH, VOTE FAVORABLY IN ENACTING THIS, UH, REVISION.

THANKS AS WELL.

ANY OTHER, ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT.

SCENE NONE.

I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT HEARING.

OKAY.

BOARD ANY QUESTIONS? MOTION.

ALL RIGHT, MR. VAERS .

I NOW MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS RELATED TO THE PHASING IN COMPLETION TIMELINE OF CERTAIN SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS.

SECOND.

MOTION.

SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.

THIS IS MR. MR. PETERSON ACTUALLY KIND OF ALLUDED TO THIS.

SO THIS, THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS PUT ON THE BOOKS PRIOR TO MY ADJOINING THE BOARD IN, IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS AND PROTECT THE COUNTY FROM, FROM THINGS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN GOING ON AT THE TIME.

AND WE PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A, A GOOD ORDINANCE.

AND IT WAS A GOOD ORDINANCE.

AND THEN I THOUGHT MR. LYLE MIGHT COME IN APPEARANCE, STEAL MY, MY, MY PHRASE OF ITERATE TO GREAT.

SO WHEN THIS CAME UP, WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD, I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE, WELL, I KNOW I, I DIDN'T SUPPORT IT AT THE TIME, HOW, AND THEN COMMON SENSE WAS PRESENTED AND THERE WAS THAT ABILITY TO HAVE BOTH COMMON SENSE, PROVIDE IT CHEAPER.

AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE, WHICH WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, WHICH I, YEAH, I GET TO INTERJECT SOMETHING, IS WE ALSO HAVE PROTECTIONS THAT TO ENSURE THAT THESE THINGS, THE, OUR DEVELOPMENTS COULD DEVELOP.

AND THE COUNTY'S NOW FIGURING OUT HOW TO PAY FOR SIDEWALKS AND TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO THIS IS, UM, THIS IS, I THINK MR. MR. PETERSON SAID WE DO THE MI THE, THE IMPOSSIBLE BEFORE NOON.

SO IT TOOK US A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN NOON, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'RE WHINING IN THE RIGHT SPOT.

AND THE NICE THING IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CONTINUE TO ITERATE TO.

GREAT.

SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS, SO NO OTHER COMMENTS.

ROLL CALL, VOTE.

MR. LUKINS.

MR. CARPENTER? YES.

MR. VAERS? YES.

MS. LAS COLLETTE? YES.

AND MR. PETERSON? YES.

UH, MR. SPOONER? YES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. ROY.

HE JUST WHAT BEFORE YOU FORGOT YOUR NAME.

ALL RIGHT, NOW WE HAVE OUR THIRD CASE, UM, ZONING AMENDMENT.

AMENDMENT TO, AMENDMENT TO ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15

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DASH 2 73.

[3. 5573: Countywide - ZOA-2022-00004 - Amendment to Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-]

OKAY.

SORRY, YOU THREW ME OFF WITH YOUR TIME.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, BEFORE YOU, YOU ALL HAVE ANOTHER ZONING ORDINANCE, AMENDMENT FOR CONSIDERATION.

THIS ONE CENTERS ON BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE INDUSTRIAL GEN GENERAL DISTRICT.

UH, THIS REALLY IS MORE SO A CLARIFICATION, UM, OF AMENDING EXISTING LANGUAGE.

SO A SUMMARY ON THIS IS THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WAS INITIATED BY GUC AND COUNTY TO COUNTYWIDE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.

AND IN WHAT IT DOES IS CLARIFIED MAXIMUM CEILING HEIGHT WITHIN THE INDUSTRIAL GENERAL M TWO DISTRICT.

UH, WHAT WHAT THAT DOES IS ONCE YOU GET TO 60 FEET, IT THEN TRIGGERS STAFF AS FAR AS YOUR BUILDING HEIGHT TO ASSESS WHETHER YOU NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BASED ON HOW CLOSE YOU ARE OR NOT CLOSE TO A ADJACENT DIFFERENT ZONING.

SO IF YOU'RE 500 FEET OR LESS, UM, TO SAY A VARIED ZONING DISTRICT.

SO IF IT'S M TWO AND THEN A ONE RIGHT NEXT TO YOU AND YOU'RE LESS THAN 500 FEET, THEN STAFF AUTOMATICALLY KNOWS YOU'VE GOTTA GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT GOES THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

SO THAT STARTS AT THE 60 FOOT THRESHOLD, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY ASSESS 60 FEET.

HOW CLOSE IS IT TO SOMETHING THAT'S ZONED DIFFERENTLY, X, Y, Z? SO THAT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL SCENARIO, BUT AGAIN, IT'S TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT EXISTING CODE LANGUAGE THAT YOU ALL HAVE AND TRYING TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, ONE FOR STAFF AND FOR THOSE TRYING TO DO BUSINESS WITHIN OUR INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

UM, THIS WAS HEARD AT THE DECEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

UM, IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH A FOUR OH VOTE VOTE, AND NO ONE SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE ON THIS.

THANK YOU.

OR GO BACK.

UH, YES, PLEASE GO BACK ON SLIDE.

YES.

OH, I ASSUME THESE NUMBERS PUT US IN LINE WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND FIRE AND RESCUE HAS BEEN CONSULTED ON.

I, I JUST WITH THE 60 AND 80 FOOT PARAMETERS, I WILL.

YEAH.

I'M, I'M STILL VERY GREEN TOO, SO I WILL FIRE AS TO, UM, JUST FOR A HEAD NOD IF THEY HAD ANY INPUT ON THIS OR NOT.

, , HE DOESN'T WANT TO NOT, UM, I, I WILL ASK MR. FER, UH, CHIEF FERGUSON TO COME UP NO.

AND PROVIDE ANY INPUT.

SORRY.

SO THERE IS A VARIATION FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WITHOUT A SPRINKLER AND THEN WITH A SPRINKLER SYSTEM.

OKAY.

EDDIE FERGUSON, FIRE RESCUE CHIEF.

SO, UH, YOU PROBABLY ARE WONDERING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE LADDER TRUCKS, I WOULD IMAGINE WOULD BE WHAT THE QUESTION IS.

OBVIOUSLY GLAND HAS ADOPTED THE, UH, STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE.

SO WE DO FOLLOW THE STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE.

WE'LL SAY THAT, UH, FIRST, UH, IN ADDITION, UM, A LADDER TRUCK CAN REACH ANYWHERE FROM 68 STORIES BASED ON HOW CLOSE THE, UH, LADDER TRUCK CAN GET TO THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS, UH, WHAT THE HEIGHT OF THE STORIES ARE.

COMMERCIAL STORIES ARE USUALLY HIGHER THAN RESIDENTIAL STORIES, AND SO IT IS, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, THINGS THAT DEPEND ON, UH, WHETHER THE LADDER TRUCK COULD, UH, COULD REACH, UH, BUILDING HEIGHTS, YOU KNOW, OVER THAT.

AND AS FAR AS OUR LADDER TRUCKS GO, UH, WE PURCHASE THE INDUSTRY STANDARD EQUIPMENT.

MOST LADDER TRUCKS ARE A HUNDRED FOOT.

WE HAVE A HUNDRED AND, UM, A HUNDRED FOOT REAR MOUNT PLATFORM WE JUST PUT AT COMPANY ONE, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER STRAIGHT LADDER THAT'S ON ORDER THAT'S GOING TO COMPANY FIVE.

UH, SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, UH, SAY, UNLESS YOU HAD A PARTICULAR QUESTION.

NO, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM.

UM, ONE THING THAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE FOR YOU ALL AS A BOARD IS, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE ABOVE 80 FEET WOULD AUTOMATICALLY ALSO REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

UM, SO ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT MEET THE LIMITS OR THE ABOVE REQUIREMENTS OF THE 60 FEET WITH SPRING WITHOUT SPRINKLERS OR THE 80 FEET WITH SPRINKLERS, ANYTHING THAT GOES ABOVE 80 FEET, THEN YOU'RE HAVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT EITHER WAY, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, WHETHER IT'S 550 FEET AWAY FROM A DIFFERENT, UM, ZONE DISTRICT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

IF IT WOULD, UM, ON THIS CHART, UM, SO WE HAVE STRUCTURES WITHOUT, CAN GO UP TO 60.

THE BOARD NOW STRUCTURES WIDTH.

UH, IF A STRUCTURE WIDTH IS 70 FEET, IT'S ABOVE THE 60, BUT IT'S WIDTH INSIDE 500 OR OUTSIDE 500, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? SO IT HASN'T EXCEEDED THE 80, IT'S UNDER THE 80 MM-HMM.

.

UM, THIS SAYS STRUCTURES WITH

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A SPRINKLER WITH IF IT'S AT LEAST 500 AWAY.

MM-HMM.

, WHAT ABOUT WITH, IF IT'S LESS THAN 500 AWAY, THEN IT WOULD NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

REGARDLESS OF THE HEIGHT.

REGARDLESS OF THE HEIGHT.

SO IF IT WAS 60 FEET WITHOUT A SPRINKLER SYSTEM OR 60 FEET WITH A SPRINKLER SYSTEM BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN A DIFFERENT ZONING, IT WOULD THEN NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

BECAUSE THE IDEA IS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE, UM, NONCONFORMING USES DIRECTLY ADJACENT.

SO 60 FEET WIDTH, THAT'S 400 FEET AWAY.

MM-HMM.

THAT WOULD NEED A CORRECT.

IT WOULD NEED A YES.

OKAY.

UM, AND THEN, WELL, I THINK I GET ALL THAT.

SO UP TO 60 WITHOUT YOUR FINE.

UM, GO.

IF YOU GO ABOVE 60, UM, EITHER WAY YOU'VE GOTTA BE 500 FEET AWAY.

MM-HMM.

WITH OR WITHOUT.

CORRECT.

BECAUSE THIS SAYS STRUCTURE IS WITH, BUT IT'S WITH OR WITHOUT.

IF YOU'RE ABOVE 60 AND WITHIN SIR, 500.

SO MAYBE THAT'S THE PIECE THAT WAS MISSING FROM ME.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU HAVE IT OR NOT.

IF YOU'RE ABOVE 60 AND YOU'RE WITHIN THAT 500, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE STRUCK OUT.

THE, THE DESIGN IS THAT IF YOU READ THE, THE, THE ONE SENTENCE THAT WE ADDED STRUCTURES THAT EITHER EXCEED THE ABOVE LIMITS OR DO NOT MEET THE ABOVE REQUIREMENTS.

SO THAT'S WHY IN THE SECOND CATEGORY, THE 80 FOOT CATEGORY, YOU HAVE TWO REQUIREMENTS.

IF YOU DON'T MEET ONE OF THOSE, YOU'RE DOWN IN THE C P.

DOES THAT HELP? OKAY.

SO THOSE ARE KIND OF SAFE HARBOR CARVE OUTS.

MM-HMM.

AND IF YOU DON'T MEET THOSE, YOU DROP DOWN 'EM THAT ARE CATCHALL AND WE GOT YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

FAIR ENOUGH.

AND THEN THE EXCEPTIONS, IT LISTS ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES.

UM, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR RECEIVING AN EXCEPTION? IS IT ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS? IS IT C U P? WHAT? UM, IF I'M A CHURCH AND I HAVE A TALL STEEPLE AND IT GOES ABOVE THE 80 AND IT SAYS I CAN BE ACCEPT PROCESS FOR THAT, IS THERE A PROCESS? UM, AUTOMATICALLY THEY'RE AUTOMATICALLY ACCEPTED.

THEY'RE AUTOMATICALLY ACCEPTED BECAUSE THEY DON'T TECHNICALLY COUNT TOWARDS TRUE BUILDING HEIGHTS.

SO IF I HAVE A TALL FLAGPOLE ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING OR AN ANTENNA THAT'S USED FOR, YOU KNOW, TV AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OKAY.

SO RECEPTION.

YES.

IT'S, IT'S THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.

RIGHT.

MORE SAFE HARBORS YOU SEE ON SAILING THERE.

YOU'RE FINE.

THERE'S NO CATCH ON.

IT'S JUST AUTOMATIC.

OKAY.

FAIR ENOUGH.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY NEEDED TO APPLY 'EM.

SAY WE EXCEED THE 80 BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS AND IT'S ONE OF YOUR LISTED ITEMS. DO WE NEED TO BE APPROVED OR, BUT NO, IT'S JUST, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND FEEL FREE TO BUILD AS HIGH, HIGH AS YOU WANT IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

JUST FAIR ENOUGH.

YOU'VE ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS.

UH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.

AT THAT I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ONE.

ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NO ONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL RIGHT.

BOARD QUESTIONS.

MOTION, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MA'AM.

UM, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT Z O A 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 4 MAOS.

ARE THERE, UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD, UM, ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, CLARIFYING BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS AND THE INDUSTRIAL GENERAL M TWO DISTRICT.

THANK YOU MR. LAS.

CUT.

SECOND.

THANK YOU, MR. LU.

NEED A FURTHER DISCUSSION.

WILL COVO MR. VARES? YES.

MS. LASETTE? YES.

MR. PETERSON? YES.

MR. LUMPKINS? YES.

MR. MOHAIR? YES.

ALL RIGHT, GREAT.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO OUR FOURTH ITEM, UH, 55 72 COUNTY Y Z EIGHT

[4. 5572: Countywide - ZOA-2022-00005 - Amendment to Zoning Ordinance Secs.]

2020 200 0 5.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, THIS IS A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERATION TO ALLOW SMALL CONTRACTOR STORAGE BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND AGRICULTURAL GENERAL, A ONE AND AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TWO DISTRICTS.

UM, AND ALSO TO ADD USE STANDARD DEFINITIONS.

SO THE PURPOSE BEHIND THIS IS TO REALLY ALLOW, UM, SMALL CONTRACTOR STORAGE BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN CERTAIN AREAS.

WHAT HAS PROMPTED THIS IS, UM, THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL, UM, MICRO-BUSINESS AND SMALL ENTREPRENEURIAL STARTUPS THAT, UM, HAVE NEEDED PLACES AND SPACES TO STORE MATERIALS.

UM, THINGS THAT SUPPORT SMALL LOCAL BUSINESS, UH, THAT DON'T NECESSARILY FIT IN OUR LARGER INDUSTRIAL AREAS.

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THEY'RE, THEY'RE STARTUP BUSINESSES, THEY CAN'T AFFORD THAT FOOTPRINT, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE OF OUR PRIME INDUSTRIAL SPACE.

AS A RESULT, WE'VE SEEN, UH, A VARIETY OF REQUESTS THAT HAVE COME INTO THE COM DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR SUCH OPPORTUNITIES TO ALLOW SMALL STORAGE SPACE FOR CONTRACTORS.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU ALL IS THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.

SO THERE'S SOME ORDINANCE TEXTS THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED, UM, FOR CONTRACTOR STORAGE, SMALL STORAGE OF CONTRACTOR SUPPLIES, UM, AND EQUIPMENT WITHIN A BUILDING OF NOT MORE THAN 2,500 SQUARE FEET.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT.

UM, AND THERE'S SOME MINIMUM USE STANDARDS.

THERE'S 12 TOTAL MINIMUM USE STANDARDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE AS STANDARD TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

UM, IF ANYONE WISHES TO HAVE SMALL CONTRACTOR STORAGE IN THE A ONE, UM, AND LIMITED A TWO DISTRICTS.

HOWEVER, IF THERE'S EXEMPTIONS THAT ARE NEEDED TO ANY OF THESE 12 THAT I'LL GO THROUGH, THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, JUST AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S HASHED OUT THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BEFORE YOU ALL AS A BOARD FOR, UM, REVIEW AND EITHER ACCEPTANCE OR DENIAL.

SO THE MINIMUM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, THAT 2,500 SQUARE FEET WOULD HAVE TO BE ON A MINIMUM OF THREE ACRES.

UM, IT COULD ONLY BE ONE STORAGE BUILDING.

IT COULD NOT SERVICE ANY, UM, AS A BASE FOR ANY ACTUAL CUSTOMERS OR NON-EMPLOYEES.

IT HAS TO BE A HUNDRED FEET FROM ANY PROPERTY LINE.

THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A STORAGE BUILDING AND PARKING AREA THAT IS SCREENED WITH DENSE FES VEGETATION OR SOME SORT OF OPIC SOLID FENCE, OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH.

SO WHEN WE SAY LIKE AN OPIC FENCE, THINK OF VINYL FENCING, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT YOU'RE NOT READILY SEEING THROUGH, UM, OUTDOOR STORAGE.

THERE IS NO OUTDOOR STORAGE ALLOWED, MEANING I CAN'T HAVE MATERIALS LAYING AROUND ADJACENT TO SAID STORAGE SHED OR TYPICALLY OF THAT SIZE YOU'D SEE A SMALL METAL PREFABRICATED BUILDING.

UM, SO AN SOME MORE, SORRY, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.

UH, SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARD TERMS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE VEHICLES AND TRAILERS LIMITING THE NUMBER OF LARGE VEHICLES AND TRAILERS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUSINESS TO TWO OF EACH.

SO NO MORE THAN TWO VEHICLES AND OR TWO TRAILERS AT A TIME.

NO MORE THAN 10 VEHICLES, INCLUDING INCLUDING EMPLOYEE AND CONTRACTOR VEHICLES AT A TIME.

AND THE REASON IT'S AT 10 IS YOU'RE THINKING IF FOLKS ARE COMING THERE TO PICK UP MATERIALS, UM, AND THEY'RE LOADING THINGS, UM, THERE'S NOT EXACTLY ANYTHING THAT'S ALLOWING OVERNIGHT PARKING.

NO OVERNIGHT LIGHTING.

AND I'LL GET INTO THAT FURTHER BUSINESS ACTIVITY.

THERE'S NO CONTRACTOR BUSINESS ACTIVITY AS FAR AS POINTS OF SALE, INCLUDING REPAIRING, CONSTRUCTING, FABRICATING MAY OCCUR.

IT'S PURELY TO LOAD AND UNLOAD MATERIALS THAT ARE TO BE USED OFFSITE FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES.

LIGHTING, AGAIN, NO OUTSIDE LINING SIGNAGE, NO ADVERTISING SIGNS.

BUT WE DO REQUIRE, UM, IN THIS PROPOSAL ASSIGNED TO BE POSTED WITH A PHONE NUMBER.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU GO PAST AND YOU SEE THAT, UM, THERE'S SOME DAMAGE TO THE PROPERTY OR YOU WANT TO REPORT A CONCERN, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PHONE NUMBER FOR SOMEONE TO CONTACT, UM, ROAD REQUIREMENTS, IF NOT DIRECTLY ACCESSING A PUBLIC ROAD WRITTEN PERMISSION.

AND, UM, ALL ACCESS EASEMENT HOLDERS MUST PRO BE PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY.

SO IF IT'S ON A PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD, WE HAVE TO HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAT, UM, PROPOSED, UH, SMALL CONTRACTOR STORAGE, COMPANY X OR PERSON Y HAS THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY USE PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD.

UM, AND AGAIN, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IF THEY CANNOT MEET THESE STANDARD TERMS, THEY CAN REQUEST A WAIVER THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS.

AND THROUGH THAT WE CAN ALWAYS IMPOSE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO ENSURE THAT IMPACTS ARE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED.

THIS WAS, UM, BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN DECEMBER, THIS WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH A FOUR OH VOTE AND NO ONE SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS CAUSE I'M SURE YOU'LL THANKS, MR. ANY QUESTIONS? THIS LAST FLAT, UH, SO MS. TUS NUMBER SEVEN, UM, YES MA'AM.

10 VEHICLES.

THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE REALLY EXCESSIVE FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

YOU MEAN 10 VEHICLES COULD BE PARKED THERE DURING THE DAY AT ALL, LIKE ALL DAY? I WILL DEFER TO MS. SHERRY.

UM, FOR CLARIFICATION, OR A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, I MEAN, YOU ONLY GOT A SMALL 2,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

I MEAN, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE 10 VEHICLES AT A TIME? WELL, 10 VEHICLES WOULD INCLUDE, UM, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES, ASSUMING IF YOU HAD A COUPLE EMPLOYEES AND THEN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TRUCKS THAT ALSO, UH, ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUSINESS VEHICLE WISE.

UM, IT WAS JUST A NUMBER THAT WE PICKED THAT WOULD, WE THOUGHT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MANAGEABLE.

SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW A SMALL BUSINESS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX, SEVEN EMPLOYEES PLUS ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EQUIPMENT.

BUT THE EMPLOYEES AREN'T

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WORKING THERE, ARE THEY? NO.

THEY'RE JUST PARKING THEIR CARS AND DRIVING OVERNIGHT.

THERE'S PROBABLY AN EXPECTATIONS THEY'RE WON'T BE, THEY'RE PARKING THEIR CARS AND DOING WHAT? UM, GETTING IN THOSE VEHICLES INTO THE TRUCKS, GETTING IN THOSE OTHER VEHICLES, THE WORK VEHICLES, AND THEN GOING TO THE JOB SITE.

SO THEY'RE LEAVING THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES THERE AND GETTING ALL 10 EMPLOYEES ARE GETTING IN THE TWO VEHICLES THAT WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE.

UM, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW MANY AND THAT TO THE OTHER.

YEAH, SO 10 VEHICLES, WHICH IT COULD INCLUDE.

UH, THERE'S LIMITED, UM, LIKE WHAT, TWO OF THE VEHICLES? TWO LARGE VEHICLES.

TWO, EIGHT.

EIGHT I GUESS WOULD BE EIGHT POSSIBLE EMPLOYEES VEHICLES.

ALL RIGHT.

SO GO BACK ONE PAGE, PAGE.

NO, IT'S NOT SCREENING.

LET'S SEE, WHERE IS IT? YEAH.

UM, NUMBER SEVEN.

NO, ONE PAGE BACK EIGHT.

NO, NO, NO.

IT'S LIKE ITEM FOUR.

THE PAGE IS LIKE FOUR AND FIVE.

YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S SEE.

MINIMUM ACREAGE EMPLOYEES ONLY BUILDING SETBACK SCREENING.

NO.

STORAGE.

NO.

ALL RIGHT, THEN WHAT'S THE NEXT PAGE? LIMITING THE NUMBER OF LARGE VEHICLES AND TRAILERS.

SO TWO EACH.

SO YOU CAN HAVE 10 EMPLOYEE VEHICLES AND THEY'RE ALL GETTING INTO THE TWO BUSINESS VEHICLES.

NO.

SO APOLOGIES IF I INTERJECT MS. LAS COLLETTE.

BUT TO CLARIFY, THE WAY THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE STAFF TO INTERPRET THIS, AND I INTERPRET IT AS UM, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, IS THAT THERE IS NO MORE THAN 10 VEHICLES TOTAL.

OUT OF THOSE 10 VEHICLES, YOU MAY HAVE TWO LARGE VEHICLES RELATED TO THE BUSINESS AND POTENTIALLY TWO TRAILERS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE BUSINESS.

SO THERE'S FOUR POTENTIALLY THAT ARE BUSINESS RELATED THAT ARE STORED THERE FOR POTENTIAL BUSINESS USE.

AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHERS THAT COULD BE EMPLOYEES PARKING FOR THE DAY RIDING OUT ON CRUISES.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME VEHICLES TO SAY NO, IT DOES, BECAUSE WHAT CRUISE ARE THEY RIDING OUT ON IF THEY CAN'T HAVE OTHER VEHICLES THERE? SO THEY WOULD BE RIDING OUT ON THE VEHICLES THAT ARE TYPICALLY STORED AT THAT SITE.

SO THE TWO, YEAH, THE TWO LARGE VEHICLES AND OR TRAILERS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUSINESS.

THERE'S 10 OF EACH.

THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

SO 10 VEHICLES, 10 EMPLOYEES OR MORE, OR COULD BE TWO WHEN A VEHICLE MM-HMM.

ARE COMING IN AND THEY'RE LEAVING IN THESE TWO VEHICLES.

CAN I, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT A COMPANY, THEY'RE CARRYING TRAILERS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, CARRY FOUR PEOPLE PER, PER VEHICLE AND THEN THE TRAILERS MAY INCLUDE THEIR TRACTORS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE RIGHT.

THEY'RE USING, THEN POTENTIALLY A SUPERVISOR COMES WITH ANOTHER TRUCK THAT THEY TAKE HOME AT NIGHT EVERY NIGHT PICK.

SO SOME ARE RIDING WITH THE TRACTORS AND SOME ARE RIDING WITH THE OTHER ONES.

SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE A CREW OF 10 TO 12 PEOPLE UTILIZING TWO TRAILERS WORTH OF EQUIPMENT, CUZ THEY USE MORE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, TRACTORS.

SO YOU CAN, THEY CAN HAVE A LARGE CREW GOING OUT.

SO TYPICALLY IN CONSTRUCTION, WHEN I USED TO DO CONSTRUCTION, WE WOULD DRIVE TO A PLACE, WE'D ALL HOP INTO THE FOREMAN'S VEHICLE AND MAYBE SOMEBODY WAS CARRYING THE CEMENT MIXER.

SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER IN ONE SPOT TO, TO ALL GET TOGETHER AND GET TO THE DIFFERENT JOB SITES AND, AND MS. LAS, SO ITEM 10, SORRY, THE, AND THE 10 YEAR KEEP REFERRING TO, IT'S NOT 10 EMPLOYEES, NO, IT'S 10 VEHICLES, WHICH IS WORSE, BUT RIGHT.

BUT TWO OF THOSE COULD BE THE WORK TRUCKS AND TWO OF THOSE COULD BE THE TRAILERS LEADING NOW ONLY SIX THAT COME IN PERHAPS ON A DAILY BASIS.

AND THOSE PEOPLE FROM THOSE SIX CAN HOP IN NOT ONLY THE FOREMANS, BUT ALSO IN THE, OKAY.

THEN SO CAN WE CHANGE NO MORE THAN 10 VEHICLES INCLUDING, UH, LARGE TRUCKS AND TRAILERS? I, I THINK THE LANGUAGE IN THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE ON PACKET PAGE 2 21 COVERS THAT BECAUSE IT SAYS, ACTUALLY, I KNOW THEY SUMMARIZED IT ON THE SLIDE, BUT NO MORE THAN 10 VEHICLES, INCLUDING EMPLOYEE VEHICLES, CONTRACTOR BUSINESS VEHICLES, AND TRAILERS CAN BE PARKED ON THE PROPERTY AT ANY ONE TIME.

AND THAT IS IN THE SUBPARAGRAPH D RIGHT ABOVE AN A IS WHERE WE SAY YOU CAN HAVE THE TWO CONTRACTOR BUSINESS VEHICLES AND TWO, UM, TRAILERS.

SO WITHIN THAT SAME NUMBER SEVEN, YOU'VE GOT A ALLOWING YOU TWO CONTRACTOR VEHICLES, B ALLOWING YOU TWO CONTRACTOR BUSINESS TRAILERS.

AND THEN DOWN IN D IT SAYS YOUR 10 VEHICLES INCLUDES EMPLOYEES AND THE AFOREMENTIONED, ESSENTIALLY FOUR OF YOU, YOU KNOW, KNOW TWO VEHICLES, TWO TRAILERS.

AND WHERE DOES IT TALK ABOUT OVERNIGHT? IS THERE ANY PROHIBITION ON OVERNIGHT? I DO NOT SEE ANY EXPLICIT LANGUAGE ON OVERNIGHT.

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MS. LASETTE, I CAN READ TO YOU THE ENTIRE, UM, PROVISION, UM, FOR SEVEN.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THAT FOR NO, I'M LOOKING AT IT HERE, BUT, BUT WE DON'T ADDRESS IT ANYWHERE ELSE? NO, MA'AM.

COULD I, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST INTERJECT AND I'LL STRESS AGAIN, THE THREE ACRE MINIMUM TO ME SHOULD ALLEVIATE CONCERNS ABOUT 10 VEHICLES.

THAT'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF SPACE FOR 10.

NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF SPACE WHEN YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTRY.

, I MEAN THAT'S LIKE, IT COULD BE RIGHT, LIKE, LIKE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME, THREE ACRES IS MY LAWN .

SO I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT HAVING VEHICLES PARKED NEXT DOOR TO ME OVERNIGHT.

I MEAN, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, THERE'S A FENCING THERE.

YES, I DID COVER THAT.

UM, IN THE VERY BEGINNING THERE IS, UM, A REQUIREMENT OF FENCING AND DENSE VEGETATION.

SO THE FENCING HAS TO BE OPAQUE SOLID.

SO, UM, IF YOU WILL LIKEN IT TO, UH, VINYL FENCING THAT YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, SUCH THAT YOU CANNOT SEE THROUGH IT.

SO EITHER, UM, SOLID FENCING OR DENSE VEGETATION OR A COMBINATION? UM, OF BOTH, BUT NO, NO SECURITY FENCING.

NO MA'AM.

SO, OKAY, SO IT COULD BE A THEFT DETRACTED TRACK, YOU KNOW, IF A CONTRACTOR WISHES TO PUT THAT IN ON THEIR OWN INVESTMENT.

THEY MAY, BUT THERE IS NO LIGHTING, UM, AT THIS FACILITY THAT'S NOT DESIGNED THAT IT'S A SPECIFIC POINT OF SALE OR RETAIL BUSINESS OR ANYTHING.

SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY, UM, SUITED FOR THAT.

SO THERE'S NO, UM, LIGHTING, THERE'S NOT THE EXPECTATION THAT THERE'S RESTROOMS ANY KIND OF, UM RIGHT.

REGULAR MONITORING OF THE SITE.

IT'S NOT A 24 7 OPERATION.

IT'S REALLY A STORAGE FACILITY, WHICH IS WHY IT'S CAPPED AT 2,500 FEET.

IF YOU WANT TO ADD, THEY CAN ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.

AND ITEM 10 IS THE SIGNAGE, NO SIGNAGE ADVERTISING THE BILLS A BUSINESSES ALLOWED, BUT SIGNAGE MUST BE POSTED ON THE GATE WITH A CONTACT NUMBER.

YES.

UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, WHY WOULD THAT BE A CONTACT NUMBER OF SAID CONTRACTOR OR BUSINESS OWNER IN, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A NEED TO CONTACT SOMEONE? BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING SOMEONE TO BE THERE 24 7.

IT'S NOT THAT, UM, LIKE SOME OF OUR OTHER CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS WHERE THERE'S THE NEED FOR CONSTANT MONITORING, THERE CAN ALSO BE, UM, ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS IMPOSED THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS SETTING THE STANDARD TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE FOR ANY FUTURE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SMALL CONTRACTOR, UM, STORAGE.

AND THEN WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE, IF SAY, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS Y COMES IN AND SAYS, I WANNA DO SMALL CONTRACTOR STORAGE ON MY THREE AND A HALF ACRE LOT, THEY'RE GONNA GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH THESE CONDITIONS AND POTENTIALLY SOME ADDITIONAL ONES THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.

RIGHT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S LEADING INTO MY POINT.

THIS IS A, THESE ARE ALL CS, RIGHT? YES.

SO THE WAY OUR SYSTEM WORKS IS IF THERE'S A VIOLATION OF ANY OF THE CONDITIONS YES, MA'AM.

THEN THEY CONTACT COUNTY STAFF.

YES, MA'AM.

SO THE SIGNAGE DOESN'T TELL 'EM THAT, TELL 'EM TO CONTACT THE OWNER.

WE WOULD NEVER KNOW ABOUT IT.

WE WOULD KNOW IF WE WERE CONTACTED DIRECTLY.

AND SO TYPICALLY HOW THAT WORKS IS IF THE COUNTY IS CONTACTED ABOUT A, UM, POTENTIAL OR ALLEGED VIOLATION OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE DO THEN SEND SOMEONE OUT TO, UM, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

CONDUCT A SITE VISIT, UNDERSTAND.

OKAY.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE, THE SIGNAGE SHOULDN'T INDICATE THAT.

AND, AND THE CONTACT NUMBER ON THE GATE IS WHAT'S GONNA ALLOW THE COUNTY TO KNOW WHO TO CONTACT? CORRECT.

OKAY.

CUZ THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE A, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE J AND J'S CONTRACTING ON THE BUILDING.

I MEAN, WE DON'T, WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE, RIGHT? CAUSE WE GOT A C U P, UH, YES, WE'VE GOT AN APPLICATION.

RIGHT.

BUT THE STAFF OF THE PHONE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, WOULD USE, IT'S ALSO HELPFUL FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

SO IF THEY'RE RESPONDING TO A PUBLIC SAFETY EMERGENCY AT THAT SITE, THEY HAVE A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL.

OKAY.

MY, MY LAST QUESTION IS, UH, SO THEY'LL, I'M, I'M THINKING LIKE, UH, LAWN, UM, CONTRACTORS, UM, AND SO MAYBE THEY'RE STORING THEIR EQUIPMENT THERE OVERNIGHT, COMING BACK NEXT DAY GOING OUT ON THE JOB.

MM-HMM.

RIGHT? MM-HMM.

.

SO AS THEY'RE THE LAWN MOWERS AND LEAF BAGS OR WHATEVER EQUIPMENT THAT THEY MAY HAVE, UM, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO DO MAINTENANCE ON THOSE, THAT EQUIPMENT WHILE UNDER THERE? DOES THIS, DOES THIS CONTEMPLATE THAT? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

IN FACT, IT SAYS THAT THEY CANNOT, CANNOT BELIEVE IN IT DOES, UH, CONDITION EIGHT.

MM-HMM.

EIGHT.

OKAY.

NO CONTRACTOR BUSINESS ACTIVITY INCLUDING REPAIRING, CONSTRUCTING OR FABRICATING THAT OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD MEAN NO, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE STAFF HAS A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION AS TO WHETHER, YEAH, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THEY'RE BRINGING THE LAWNMOWER IN

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AND IT JUST NEEDS THE OIL CHANGED, THE BELT CAME OFF AND THEY HAVE TO REDO THE BELT, UM, THEY'D HAVE TO LITERALLY TAKE THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT OFF PREMISES SOMEWHERE AND DO THE, I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE SHOULDN'T THINK ABOUT, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.

THIS IS REALLY DESIGNED TO LIMIT ANY MAJOR EXTENSIVE REPAIR OF FABRICATION WORK.

UM, NO, I, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE GUY'S JUST DOING LIKE SOME LITTLE WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT ACTUALLY DOES THIS WELL, THEY'RE CONSTANTLY MAINTAINING THEIR EQUIPMENT.

IT'S EXPENSIVE.

SO IS THERE A WAY TO, IS THERE A WAY JUST TO MAKE THAT THAT CLEAR? POSSIBLY? I I I IT DOESN'T INCLUDE REG.

IT DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T DO REGULAR MAINTENANCE.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

LET'S SEE, WHICH WOULD I WOULD'VE, AND CAN WE MAYBE HAVE IT SAY, UM, SOMETHING REGARDING LIKE MINOR, UH, NO REPAIRS OR FABRICATION WITH EXCEPTION OF ROUTINE, MINOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, MINOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, BELT BREAKS OR YOU'RE REPLACING BLADES ON A LAWNMOWER.

I MEAN, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO EVEN WITH YOUR OWN HOME LAWNMOWER.

EXACTLY.

RIGHT.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

JUST SO MS. MCGEE, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW FOR REGULAR MAINTENANCE? OR DOES IT NEED TO BE, DO WE THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED STAFF? IS THAT STAFF, STAFF INTERPRETATION? UM, I, I THINK IT COULD BE DONE EITHER WAY.

IF, IF YOU WANT TO BE, UM, AGAIN, MY INTERPRETATION MAY HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT EVEN THAN WHAT MS. SHERRY WOULD'VE SAID.

SO, UM, I'LL START WITH THAT, BUT CERTAINLY CAN BE AMENDED.

BUT IF MS. AGAIN, I'VE SPOKEN, DIDN'T HEAR FROM YOU ALL AS TO WHETHER YOU FELT LIKE THAT MINOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE WOULD BE COVERED UNDER EIGHT AS WRITTEN TO AVOID ANY AMBIGUITY, I WOULD FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO CLARIFY THAT MINOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE IS PERMITTED.

OR DO WE WANNA JUST LET EACH C U P APPLICANT SPECIFY THAT WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY? UM, I SIX AND ONE HALF A DOZEN AND ANOTHER.

RIGHT.

UM, I WILL DEFER TO YOU ALL AS A BOARD.

MAYBE LET THEM JUST LET THE APPLICANT DESCRIBE WHAT IT IS THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO.

AND I DON'T KNOW, I JUST, I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME OF THAT.

I, I FEEL LIKE ADDING IT IN THERE, CUZ WHENEVER YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION, IT'S ALWAYS HARDER TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION THAN TO FOLLOW.

SO I, I I'M TRACKING WITH, SO ADDING IT THAT, THAT, THAT ISN'T INCLUDED.

AND AT THE, AT THAT TIME, IF THE BOARD DOESN'T WANT THAT TYPE OF WEAKNESS, YOU CAN ALWAYS TAKE IT OUT.

YOU DON'T ALWAYS TAKE IT OUT.

I, OKAY, I LIKE IT.

SHOULD WE ALSO ADD THAT IT'S, UM, ONLY MINOR, UH, ROUTINE MAINTENANCE REPAIRS FOR EQUIPMENT THAT IS STORED AT THAT LOCATION POTENTIALLY.

SO THEY'RE NOT BRINGING SOMETHING FROM ANOTHER STORAGE SITE TO THAT SITE TO WORK ON AGAIN.

OH GOSH, I'M GOING DOWN A CAN.

DOWN A WORMHOLE OWNED AND STORED THERE, THINGS THAT ARE OWNED AND STORED THERE SO THEY CAN PERFORM, I DON'T KNOW, ROUTINE MAINTENANCE ON ITEMS STORED THERE.

OR LIKE RESTRICT, LIKE I KNOW WE'RE MAKING A TO WHERE YOU CAN'T USE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORD CRAFT IT, BUT I JUST THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THAT EXPOSURE.

I'M ALSO JUST TRYING TO THINK OF THE NUMEROUS INSTANCES OF SPECIAL CAVEATS THAT STAFF'S GONNA FIND THEMSELVES IN, UM, WITH POTENTIALLY COMPLAINTS WE MAY GET THEN OF WHAT CONSTITUTES MINOR MAINTENANCE OR, UM, IF SOMEONE THEN, UH, POTENTIALLY ABUSES IT AND, YOU KNOW, IS CONSTANTLY WORKING ON SOMETHING THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET MAKESHIFT REPAIR SHOP, SO YOU NEED TO STRIKE ALL THAT BUSINESS ACTIVITY.

JUST STRIKE THAT.

IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS JUST STRIKING THE REST OF THE SENTENCE AND JUST HAVING IT THAT THERE'S NO CONTRACTOR BUSINESS ACTIVITY AND THEN THAT LEAVES IT OPEN-ENDED BUSINESS ACTIVITY.

WASN'T ANYTHING TO DO BUSINESS ACTIVITY, LIKE, IT'S LIKE CLIENT, IT'S MORE LIKE CLIENT OR CUSTOMER.

YEAH, BECAUSE EVERYTHING I DO ON THERE IS, IS BUSINESS ACTIVITY MM-HMM.

.

SO NO CUSTOMER BUSINESS ACTIVITY.

THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO ADD AT THE END OF THAT, UH, CONDITION, BUT MINOR ROUTINE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE CAN OCCUR.

I THINK THAT'S THE EASIEST.

OKAY.

I THE CLEAREST BUT MINOR BUT MINOR ROUTINE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE CAN OCCUR.

OKAY.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC CARE COMMENT PERIOD? NO HEARING.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

OPENING THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING, JOHN 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.

UM,

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WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE SOLVING? IS THERE A RAFT OF SMALL CONTRACTORS IN AGRICULTURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTY PUTTING IN BUILDINGS EXCESSIVE OF 2,500 SQUARE FEET AND STORING MATERIALS? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.

TWO, IS THIS GOING TO HAVE ANY IMPACT ON FARMING? I'VE READ CONTRACTOR THE DEFINITION AND IT SAYS, UM, DOING WORK ON OTHER PUPIL'S REAL ESTATE, SOME FARMERS ACTUALLY PUT FENCES UP FOR OTHER FARMERS.

THEY STORE WIRE, THEY STORE POSTS.

ARE YOU TELLING A FARMER HE'S NOW GOTTA GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO KEEP FENCE POSTS AND FENCING WIRE ON HIS PROPERTY? WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE SOLVING? IS THERE A LOT OF CALLS COMING IN SAYING WE GOT TOO MANY BUILDINGS WITH REPAIR OR EQUIPMENT IN A ONE AND A TWO PROPERTY? I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT THERE WERE SOME GLANCES BACK AND FORTH.

WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON DEFINITIONS FOR A PROBLEM THAT DOES OR DOES NOT EXIST.

I'M, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.

SOMEBODY THINKS IT'S NECESSARY.

SO SOMEBODY CAN'T DO THIS RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEBODY THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED IN A ONE A TWO PROPERTY.

IF THERE IS NO HOME ON THE PROPERTY AND WE'RE BREAKING OUR, OR BREAKING IF THERE'S NO, OH, THERE'S NO RESIDENCE ON THE COUNTY.

THEY CANNOT, THEY CANNOT HAVE A SHED FOR THAT, FOR THEIR, THAT EQUIPMENT.

SO THE 600 ACRE FARM OUT THERE THAT HAS A HOME ON IT WOULD BE EXEMPT.

ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY.

BUT IF THEY JUST HAPPEN TO LEASE THAT, MY LIGHTS ARE FLASHING.

BUT AGAIN, IS THIS REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF ISSUE COME UP IN THE COUNTY WHERE WE REALLY GOTTA REGULATE THIS AND JUST WATCHING WHAT YOU ALL WENT THROUGH TRYING TO DEFINE IT AND ARE WE GONNA EXCLUDE PEOPLE OR LET 'EM IN? I THINK THE GENESIS WAS LET'S ENCOURAGE SMALL BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY.

WE'RE A COMPLAINT DRIVEN COUNTY.

IF WE'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, DO WE NEED THE ORDINANCE? MY LIGHT'S GONNA OFF SO I GOTTA SIT DOWN.

THANK YOU MR. LOUD.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, DOES, DID YOU DO THAT, DID YOU DID TO THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT OR THAN WE DID HAVE TO COMMENTS.

WHERE DO I HAVE, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, IN MR. LYLE'S STATEMENT, UM, THE GENESIS OF THIS PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UM, IS INTENDED TO SUPPORT OUR SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

UM, ESPECIALLY THAT THAT ALSO SUPPORTS, YOU KNOW, GOLAND, ESPECIALLY OUR AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY.

THIS IS SMALL CONTRACTOR STORES.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MICRO-BUSINESS AND UM, POTENTIALLY DO IT YOURSELF ENTREPRENEURIAL STARTUPS, WHICH HAS HAD A GREAT SWELL DURING THE PANDEMIC OF A LOT OF FOLKS STEPPING OUT AND STARTING BUSINESSES.

AND, UM, AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS SEEN A UPTICK IN, UH, AS FAR AS FOOT TRAFFIC OF THINGS THAT THEY GET INQUIRIES ABOUT AND SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE, UH, ALSO WORKED WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ON AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, I MEAN THE, JUST SO I CAN CLARIFY, THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO CLARIFY STANDARDS BY WHICH THESE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS CAN DO THIS.

SO IT'S NOT, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IT'S SUPPOSED TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS.

CORRECT? YES, SIR.

AND THIS IS IF THEY WERE INTENDING TO DO SMALL CONTRACTOR STORAGE IN A ONE OR A TWO ZONE DISTRICT.

SO IF THEY WANTED TO GO TO OUR GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT BALLGAME.

OR, YOU KNOW, IF I'M, UH, SELLING STUFF AT HOME ON ETSY, TOTALLY DIFFERENT BALLGAME.

THIS IS THE SMALL CONTRACTOR STORAGE IN AN AREA WHERE TYPICALLY YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT AS A CONFORMING USE AT FACE VALUE, BUT WE'RE RECOGNIZING THAT IT IS A USE THAT DOES NOT DIRECTLY CONFLICT POTENTIALLY WITH THAT AREA.

THANK YOU WITH FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MOTION? WELL, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE THIS ACTUALLY BROADENS THE ABILITY FOR OUR CONTRACTORS.

I MEAN, THIS IS NOT A RESTRICTION, THEY CAN'T DO THIS NOW, RIGHT? NO MA'AM.

THERE'S NOT A MECHANISM THAT ALLOWS THIS.

SO WHAT IT'S DOING IS CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY.

THIS IS BROADENING FOR THEM TO HAVE A LEGAL MEANS BY WHICH TO HAVE STORAGE.

UM, YOU OFTENTIMES ALSO HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT BECAUSE OF WHATEVER MEANS, IT'S NOT PRACTICAL

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TO HAVE ALL OF YOUR THINGS IN ONE LOCATION.

UM, AND THAT'S EVEN FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.

UM, THERE'S A YARD COMPANY THAT HAS TWO LOCATIONS HERE IN GLAND AND THEY'RE A FAIRLY LARGE OUTFIT.

SO AGAIN, UM, I THINK THAT THIS WILL ALSO ALLOW US TO BETTER, UM, KNOW WHAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS BUSINESSES WHERE THEY'RE OPERATING, WHERE FOLKS ARE STORING THINGS, AND IT ALSO HELPS OUR FIRST RESPONDERS TO KNOW.

RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

CHAIR.

CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.

UM, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT AS AMENDED TO IN EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE.

THIS ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, ALLOWING SMALL CONTRACTOR STORAGE BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL GENERAL, A ONE AND AGRICULTURAL LIMITED.

A TWO ZONING DISTRICTS SECOND.

THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, ROLL CALL VOTE.

MS. LASETTE? YES.

MR. PETERSON? YES.

MR. LUMPKINS? YES.

MR. VATERS? YES.

MR. SPOONER? YES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

ARE HOW WE DOING? DO WE NEED A WE NEED A, WE NEED, SORRY, , WE NEED A, CAN WE TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS? BIG HAND ON THE NINE.

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ALL

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RIGHT.

WE, WE ARE BACK IN SESSION.

I SEE WE ARE LIVE.

[5. 5601: Ordinance amending County Code Chapter 11 (Purchasing; Surplus]

AND NOW WE HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, CARLA CAVE.

THANK YOU.

WOO WHOOP, WHOOP, WHOOP.

ALL RIGHT.

I WILL TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS VERY QUICKLY.

IT'S A LONG NIGHT.

UM, I'M BRINGING BEFORE YOU FIVE CHANGES TO THE PURCHASING ORDINANCE.

AND THE MAIN GOAL BEHIND THIS IS TO, UM, JUST ADJUST OUR THRESHOLDS TO THE CURRENT ECONOMY.

IT'S BEEN OVER 10 YEARS SINCE THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN UPDATED AND IT, I'LL GO INTO IT LATER, BUT IT, UM, 10 YEARS AGO WAS UPPED FROM A $2,500 LIMIT TO A $5,000 LIMIT TO REQUIRE, UM, COMPETITION AND QUOTES.

AND THE SECOND GOAL OF THIS IS JUST TO CUT BACK ON STAFF TIME SPENT ON VERY SMALL PURCHASES.

UM, SO I'VE GOT EACH OF THE CHANGES ON ONE SLIDE EACH.

OKAY.

UM, BUT BEFORE I BEGIN, I JUST WANTED TO, THIS MIGHT BE NEWS AND IT MIGHT BE A REVIEW DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH YOU KNOW ABOUT OUR LOCAL PURCHASING, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S TWO CATEGORIES.

THERE'S ARE GOODS AND NON-PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, AND, UM, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 5,000 AND 150,000, WE ARE REQUIRED CURRENTLY TO GET THREE QUOTES, THREE WRITTEN QUOTES FROM VENDORS, UM, AT 150,000 AND UP.

THAT'S WHERE THE FORMAL COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATIONS WOULD START WITH THE RFP PROCESS.

UM, A DIFFERENT CATEGORY IS THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT WOULD BE LIKE YOUR ENGINEERING, UM, ARCHITECTS.

UM, THE, THE ONES THAT SERVE IN THOSE PROFESSIONAL CAPACITIES.

IN LARGE PROJECTS, THAT LIMIT IS 80,000.

SO IT'S A MUCH SMALLER THRESHOLD.

UM, NONE OF THESE CHANGES TONIGHT WOULD AFFECT ANYTHING WITH PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

I DON'T THINK I MADE THAT VERY CLEAR, UM, WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE.

OKAY.

ORDINANCE CHANGE NUMBER ONE, WE ARE LOOKING TO REMOVE A REFERENCE TO A BIDS LIST.

UM, THIS CHANGE WILL BRING OUR ORDINANCE UP TO CURRENT PRACTICE, WHICH IS USING THE STATE'S WEBSITE, EVA, WHICH IS ALSO TERMED VIRGINIA'S MARKETPLACE.

IT'S A STATE, STATE WEBSITE AND IT IS OUR GO-TO BIDDERS LIST.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO FORWARD DEPARTMENTS THE INFORMATION OF BIDDERS WHO DO CONTACT US FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.

BUT THOSE COLD CALLS AND EMAILS ARE STEADILY DWINDLING AS MORE AND MORE COMPANIES REGISTER WITH EVA AS HAS BECOME A MUCH MORE COMMON PRACTICE.

SO RIGHT NOW, WE, WE ARE STILL MAKING NO DIRECT REFERENCE TO EVA, BUT WE ARE REMOVING, UM, A MANUALLY KEPT BIDDERS LIST BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY, WHILE WE KEEP IT, WE'D LOVE TO NOT BE REQUIRED TO KEEP IT BECAUSE EVERYONE GOES TO EVA, AS IS CHANGE NUMBER TWO.

UM, WE WANNA CHANGE THE MONTHLY REPORTING REQUIREMENT OF EMERGENCY PURCHASES FROM 1000 TO 10,000.

UH, THESE EMERGENCY PURCHASES ARE VERY RARE AND THEY'RE TYPICALLY OVER 10,000 ANYWAY.

UM, THIS CHANGE IS IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP UP WITH INFLATION AND REDUCE ADMINISTRATIVE TIME CHANGE.

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NUMBER THREE, WE WANNA INCREASE THE SMALL PURCHASE THRESHOLD FOR REQUIRING THREE VENDOR QUOTES FROM 5,000 TO 10,000.

SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE GOODS IN NON-PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

UM, THIS CHANGES ULTIMATELY TO KEEP UP WITH THE RISING COST OF ITEMS AND SERVICES HAPPENING DUE TO INFLATION.

THE THRESHOLD WAS LAST RAISED FROM 2,500 TO 5,020 12, WHICH IS OVER 10 YEARS AGO.

ANOTHER THING THIS CHANGE ACCOMPLISHES IS THAT IT SAVES STAFF TIME AND GAINS US EFFICIENCY IN PLACING AND RECEIVING ORDERS.

DURING LAST FISCAL YEAR, 90 PURCHASE ORDERS WERE ISSUED BETWEEN 5,000, OUR CURRENT LIMIT AND 10,000 WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

AND ON AVERAGE, THIS WOULD SAVE AN APPROXIMATELY 400 HOURS PER YEAR OF STAFF TIME IN OBTAINING QUOTES, CREATING PURCHASE ORDERS IN THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, AND HAVING THOSE PURCHASE ORDERS APPROVED ON MULTIPLE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVELS.

CHANGE NUMBER FOUR, UM, WE'D LIKE TO REMOVE THE COUNTY WEBSITE POSTING OF SMALL PURCHASES OVER $30,000 WITH THE INCREASING USE OF EVA BY BOTH LOCALITIES AS WELL AS VENDORS.

THIS PRACTICE HAS SHOWN TO RECEIVE VERY LOW VIEWS FROM VENDORS SEEKING PROJECTS AND OR SALES.

INSTEAD, VENDORS LOOK TO TO EVA FOR PROJECTS AND NEEDS RATHER THAN TO A LOCALITIES WEBSITE.

AND LASTLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THE SMALL PURCHASE LIMIT AND CAPITAL PROJECTS CONTRACT AMOUNT, NEEDING BOARD APPROVAL FROM 150,000 TO 200,000.

UM, THIS CHANGE WOULD BRING OUR SMALL PURCHASE LIMIT IN LINE WITH STATE CODE AND IT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF SMALL PURCHASES BEING BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD THAT CAN ULTIMATELY BE HANDLED EASILY ADMINISTRATIVELY.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS $200,000 CHANGE COVERS GOODS AND SERVICES OTHER THAN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHILE OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES PROJECT LIMIT WILL REMAIN AT OUR CURRENT AMOUNT, WHICH IS $80,000.

AND THOSE ARE ALL WE'VE GOT FOR CHANGES, BUT I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND I ALSO HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF PURCHASING HERE FOR ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS, CUZ THANK YOU MR. SHE DOES THIS DAY TODAY? YES.

NONE AT THIS POINT.

ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SCENE.

NO ONE.

I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BOARD.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT, UH, THIS ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COUNTY PROCUREMENT ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED.

SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? MS. CAVE? I I DID HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.

SO THE, I THINK IT WAS NUMBER FOUR, THE REMOVAL OF THE COUNTY WEBSITE, POSTING OF SMALL PERCENTAGES OVER 30,000.

THEY WILL STILL BE GOING THROUGH A PER PROCUREMENT PROCESS, JUST NOT BEING POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.

CORRECT.

THEY'LL STILL SEE COMPETITION THROUGH WRITTEN BEDS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

RULE CALL VOTE.

MS. PETERSON? YES.

MR. LUMPKINS? YES.

MR. VADERS? YES.

MS. LASETTE? YES.

MR. SPOON.

HOWER? YES.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MS CA.

AND NOW WE HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S CHIEF FERGUSON, WHO'S GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTYWIDE ORDINANCE AMENDING GUGEN CODE SECTION 11 DASH 39.

THINGS I'D NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I'M GLAD TO BE NUMBER.

IT'S TWO DIFFERENT ORDINANCES.

WE'LL VOTE SECOND.

SO ABOUT THE FIRST ONE, AND THEN STOP QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL VOTE.

SECOND ONE, SECOND GROUP.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

[6. 5577: Countywide Ordinance amending Goochland County Code Sec. 14-39 (Fire]

OKAY.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, EDDIE FERGUSON, FIRE RESCUE CHIEF, UM, FIRE RESCUE'S, BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, COUNTY STAFF IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, TO TRY TO CL FIRE RESCUE ORDINANCES THAT YOU FIND IN CHAPTER, UH, SIX OF THE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY PORTION OF THE, UH, MUNICH CODE FOR THE COUNTY.

LET'S SEE.

MAKE SURE I CAN GET THIS TO GO.

SO, UH, BASICALLY WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIVIDED.

UH, THE FIRST, UH, THREE ITEMS ARE IN ONE, AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS ON, UH, OPEN BURNING IN THE COUNTY.

SO THE FIRST, UH, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, UM, CENTERS AROUND, UH, CHANGES BEING PROPOSED TO THE, UH, AMBULANCE PERMITS OR REQUIREMENTS FOR AMBULANCE PERMITS FOR NON-EMERGENCY TYPES OF, UH, PATIENT TRANSPORTATION IN THE COUNTY.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, A COLOR, UH, CHANGE RECOMMENDATION FOR FIRE HYDRANTS.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO INCREASE THE FUNDS FOR PARKING TICKETS ISSUED FOR IMPEDING, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS PARKING TOO CLOSE TO A FIRE HYDRANT OR BLOCKING A FIRE LANE.

SO WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE, UH, THE AMBULANCE, UH, PERMIT PORTION.

AND I JUST WANNA SAY RIGHT UP FRONT, THIS IS, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH,

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UH, THE 9 1 1 SERVICE THAT GUC COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF FIRE RESCUE AND THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES DELIVERS TO THE CITIZENS, UH, ON A DAILY BASIS.

THIS IS THE NON-EMERGENCY, THE NON-URGENT, UH, PRIVATE, UH, AMBULANCE, UH, OPERATING IN THE COUNTY.

AND SO, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS.

UH, IN 2011, UH, THERE WERE ORDINANCES PUT IN PLACE, UH, BRINGING INTO EXISTENCE THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF FIRE RESCUE EMERGENCY SERVICES, AS WELL AS, UH, DESIGNATED IN THAT ORGANIZATION AS THE DARA AGENCY, WHICH IS THE DESIGNATED EMERGENCY RESPONSE AGENCY FOR THE COUNTY, UH, TO COMPLY WITH OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES STANDARDS.

UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, I'M SORRY, COUNTY ATTORNEY, UM, NORMAN SALES, UH, DRAFTED, UH, THIS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, HE HAD WORKED ON IN THE CITY OF RICHMOND.

AND BASICALLY IT ALLOWED THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT SOME QUALITY CONTROLS OVER AMBULANCE, UH, SERVICES OPERATING IN THE COUNTY.

UH, AND SO WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY WITH A NUMBER OF, UH, CONGREGATE CARE FACILITIES THAT ARE BEING, UH, BUILT IN THE COUNTY AS WELL AS, UH, PLACES LIKE SHELTERING ARMS AND NOW AVERY POINT, UM, IS WE NEED MORE PARTICIPATION FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR, UH, TO HANDLE THE NON-EMERGENCY, THE NON 9 1 1 TYPE OF, UH, OF TRANSPORTS.

BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, UH, WE'RE DOING, UH, A BIG PORTION OF THAT, UH, OURSELVES.

AND SO, JUST TO COVER THIS WITH YOU, UM, THE BACKGROUND IS WE'RE LOOKING TO RECRUIT POSSIBLY SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, PRIVATE AMBULANCE SERVICES TO OPERATE IN THE COUNTY FOR THE NON-EMERGENCY TYPE, UM, TRANSPORTATION.

UH, THERE'S ONLY ONE AGENCY WITH A PERMIT, AND I THINK THAT HAS SINCE EXPIRED, AND THAT'S LIFE CARE MEDICAL TRANSPORTS.

UH, THE PERMITTING PROCESS, THE WAY IT'S BEEN IS VERY TIME CONSUMING.

IT TAKES UP TO THREE MONTHS.

IT GOES TO A PUBLIC HEARING BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ACTUALLY, UH, GRANT THAT, AND THE PERMIT HAS ONLY BEEN GOOD FOR TWO YEARS.

SO YOU GO BACK THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS, UH, TWO YEARS LATER.

THE, THE PRICE OF IT AT WHEN WE PUT THIS IN EFFECT, WAS $2,500 FOR THE FIRST ONE, AND I THINK IT'S A $1,500 RENEWAL IS THE WAY THAT THAT WAS.

UH, AND SO THERE HAVE OTHER, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER AGENCIES THAT HAVE BROUGHT THESE PERMITS IN THE PAST, OBTAINED THE PERMITS, AND THEY HAVE SINCE ALLOWED THEM TO EXPIRE.

THE VIRGINIA OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, UH, ALREADY HAS A TWO YEAR LICENSING FOR EMS AGENCIES.

AND SO WE THINK THAT, UH, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD BEEN REQUIRING UP TO THIS POINT ARE ALREADY COVERED IN THAT, UH, EMS AGENCY LICENSING PROCESS.

AND WE GO THROUGH THAT TOO AS AN ORGANIZATION AND JUST COMPLETED THAT IN NOVEMBER.

AND WE'VE ALSO CHECKED AROUND IN BENCHMARKS AGAINST OTHER FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENTS IN THE AREA.

AND MOST, UH, OTHER LOCALITIES ALLOW THE FIRE RESCUE CHIEF TO, UH, OVERSEE THIS PROCESS TO KEEP THIS BUSINESS, UH, MOVING ALONG AND TAKE OUT SOME OF THE, UH, THE TIME THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT IS, UM, IS TO REDUCE THE COST OF SUCH A PERMIT TO $75, UH, PROVIDE THE FIRE CHIEF THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE THE PERMITS FOR PATIENT TRANSPORTATION, AND THAT'S NON-EMERGENCY PATIENT TRANSPORTATION.

UH, AND WE THINK THIS WILL SAVE AT LEAST TWO MONTHS IN TIME TO ALLOW AN ORGANIZATION, UH, QUALITY, PROVIDING QUALITY SERVICE TO GET A PERMIT MUCH SOONER.

WE COULD, WE RECOMMEND REMOVING THE TWO YEAR TERM TO OUR ORDINANCE AND JUST RELY ON THE VIRGINIA OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICE'S TWO YEAR RELICENSING, UH, PROCESS.

THE FIRE CHIEF CAN STILL, UH, ASK ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR REQUEST A DIFFERENT ADDITIONAL INFORMATIONS IF NECESSARY.

AND IF THERE'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE BECOME AWARE OF THAT DOESN'T MEET OUR STANDARDS OR DOESN'T MEET THE QUALITY FOR THE CITIZENS OF GLAND, THEN WE CAN STILL REVOKE THAT PERMIT IF NECESSARY.

AND WE HOPE THE ANTICIPATED OUTCOME OF THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE MORE PRIVATE AMBULANCE SERVICES OPERATING IN THE COUNTY, HANDLING THE NON-EMERGENCY PATIENT TRANSPORTATION AND KEEPING AIR UNITS FREE FOR THE EMERGENCIES.

UH, AND THAT'S, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST, UH, FIRST ITEMS THAT'S, UH, INTO THIS FIRST ORDINANCE.

SHOULD I STOP HERE AND JUST, UH, SEE IF THERE'S A QUESTION? I ASK WHAT THE BOARD'S PLEASURE WAS, IF WE WANTED TO, UH, CHIEF TO GO THROUGH ALL THREE ITEMS FIRST AND THEN COME BACK WITH QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

SOUNDS GOOD.

KEEP ROLLING.

ALL RIGHT.

ROLLING.

FIRE HYDRANT COLOR, FIRE HYDRANT COLOR.

SO OVER THE COURSE OF HAVING COUNTY FIRE HYDRANTS, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT COUNTY FIRE HYDRANTS, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DRY HYDRANTS OFTEN WE TALK ABOUT DRY HYDRANTS ON PONDS AND LAKES, BUT THE COUNTY FIRE HYDRANTS, WE'VE HAD, UM, SEVERAL DIFFERENT COLOR, UH, PATTERNS OVER THE YEARS.

UH, AT ONE TIME WE WERE PAINTING THE HYDRANTS DIFFERENT COLORS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WAS AVAILABLE IN THEM, WHICH FOLLOWS A AN N F P A TYPE, UM, UH, SCHEMATIC.

AND OTHER TIMES, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THE TWO-TONED PAINT COLOR, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, AND THAT IS BASICALLY THE RED BARREL ON THE HYDRANT AND THE SILVER BONNET.

UH, WE HAVE FOUND OUT AS WE GET MORE AND MORE HYDRANTS IN THE COUNTY, AND ACCORDING TO, UH, PUBLIC UTILITIES, WE HAVE OVER 600 HYDRANTS IN THE COUNTY, ABOUT 638

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COUNTY FIRE HYDRANTS.

UM, THAT THERE IS MORE OF A NEED TO HAVE THESE HYDRANT VISIBLE SO THAT WE CAN FIND THEM AT NIGHT.

AND IT'S ALSO MORE DIFFICULT TO, TO MAINTAIN A TWO-TONE COLOR PAINT.

UH, THE RED FADES, UH, PRETTY PRETTY FAST.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S REQUIRES, UM, TO BE PAINTED MORE OFTEN.

AND SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS FOLLOW SUIT WITH SOME OF OUR LARGER REGIONAL PARTNERS LIKE HANOVER, HENRICO, CHESTERFIELD, AND CITY RICHMOND, AND GO WITH, UM, A REFLECTIVE SILVER TYPE PAINT.

AND AGAIN, WE THINK IT'LL BE EASIER TO SPOT AND DARK.

IT'LL BE PROBABLY LESS EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN OVER TIME.

UM, AND IT PROBABLY WILL, UH, WILL WORK WELL FOR THE DEVELOPERS.

IT SHOULD NOT INCREASE ANY COSTS RELATIVE TO THE DEVELOPERS PUTTING IN FIREFIGHTERS.

OKAY.

THE NEXT THING IS, UH, FIRE PARKING TICKET FINES.

NOW, I JUST WANNA TELL YOU UP FRONT THAT WE TRY NOT TO ISSUE TICKETS FOR, FOR THESE VIOLATIONS.

OUR FIRST APPROACH IS ALWAYS EDUCATION.

WE TAKE TIME TO TRY TO EXPLAIN TO THE FOLKS, UH, THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN VIOLATION, YOU KNOW, WHY THEY ARE, AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN FIRE, UH, DEPARTMENT ACCESS, WHICH MANY TIMES ISN'T FOR THE, THE FIRETRUCK.

IT COULD BE FOR THE AMBULANCE, OR IT COULD BE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

UH, FIRE ACCESS PROMOTES ALL TYPES OF PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, ACCESS.

SO OUR FIRST APPROACH IS ALWAYS TO, UH, TRY TO EXPLAIN, UH, TO CITIZENS, UH, EXACTLY WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT.

UH, WE'VE LOOKED, TAKEN A LOOK AT THIS, UM, AND WE'RE GETTING MORE FIRE LANES IN THE COUNTY.

THERE ARE MORE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE, UH, NO PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET OR BOTH SIDES OF THE STREETS.

UH, SO THEREFORE WE THINK IT'S TIME TO REVISIT THIS, UH, AND COME INTO ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE REGION.

UM, SEVERAL PARKING VIOLATIONS, UH, THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS.

ONE WOULD BE PARKING, UM, TOO CLOSE TO THE FIRE HYDRANT, WHICH HAS BEEN, UM, A $20 FINE OR, OR THE $50 FINE THAT WE'VE HAD FOR A PARKING BLOCK IN THE FIRE LANE.

UH, MANY OF THE SIGNS, THERE ARE MANY FIRE LANE SIGNS AROUND THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE, UH, NEAREST SUBDIVISION ROADS.

UH, THERE'S SOMETIMES FOLKS DON'T THINK ARE THAT REALLY THAT NARROW, BUT THEY'RE NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO ALLOW PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.

AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THESE SIGNS ARE IN, UH, I THINK WE DISCUSSED LAST BOARD MEETING, UH, WAS, YOU KNOW, MOSAIC READERS BRANCH, UH, AND SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, DENSELY POPULATED DEVELOPMENTS.

THE FINES ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO REALLY DETER ANYONE FROM DOING THAT.

AND HONESTLY, UM, SOMETIMES IT, UH, TIES UP THE COURT AND, UH, UNNECESSARILY FOR SUCH A, A SMALL AMOUNT OF, UH, OF FINE.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UM, WE'VE BENCHMARKED WITH THE OTHER LOCALITIES AND THE FINES RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 75 TO $150.

AND SO WE'D LIKE TO JUST SETTLE ON A HUNDRED DOLLARS, KEEP IT SIMPLE.

IT'S EASY TO REMEMBER IN ANY LATE FEES, IT WOULD GO UP BY $15.

AND THAT'S WHAT, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, THERE.

AND IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING, UH, TALK TO THE FIRE MARSHAL AND, AND CERTAINLY, UM, THIS IS NO INDICATION THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T ENFORCE THIS.

UH, BUT AGAIN, IT PROMOTES THE FACT THAT WE TRY TO EDUCATE FIRST.

YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK HE MAY HAVE ISSUED ABOUT, UH, 10, 10 TICKETS LAST YEAR, UH, ALL TOGETHER.

KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE ONE FIRE MARSHAL, UH, AND EDUCATION IS ALWAYS OUR FIRST APPROACH.

SO FOR EVERY SUMMONS HE WROTE, HE PROBABLY EDUCATED ANOTHER 10 OR 15 PEOPLE THAT COMPLIED AND UNDERSTOOD.

SO ANY, UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE THREE? MS. LASETTE? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, THANKS CHIEF.

THAT SAY, UM, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY.

NO, NO.

PARKING FIRE LANE OR, YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

UM, ARE THOSE SIGNS THAT THE DEVELOPER PUTS UP, DO WE PUT THEM UP? RIGHT? THE DEVELOPERS REQUIRED TO PUT THOSE UP AND, YOU KNOW, IF THE ROADWAY IS, UM, IF THE ROADWAY IS, IS LESS THAN 20 FOOT WIDE RIGHT? THEN YOU CAN'T PARK ON EITHER SIDE.

BUT IF IT'S BETWEEN 20 AND 26 FOOT WIDE, UH, YOU CAN PARK ON ONE SIDE.

SO THAT SIGN, THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD HAS TO BE SIGNS.

AND THEN IF IT GETS UP TO, UM, DID I SAY THAT WRONG? I DID SAY THAT WRONG.

IS IT BACKWARDS? IT'S GETTING LATE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

26 TO 30, 26 TO 32 FEET.

I'M 26 FEET.

YEAH.

YEAH, YEAH.

SO IF THE, IF IT'S OVER 32 FEET, SIGNS AREN'T REQUIRED, BUT THE DEVELOPER PUTS THOSE SIGNS UP AND FIRE MARSHAL DAVIES, UM, MAKES SURE THAT THE SIGNS ARE PUT UP.

AND I'M WONDERING, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE STANDARD SIGNS THAT THEY LITERALLY, THE DEVELOPER PULLS OFF THE SHELF KIND OF THING, BUT I'M WONDERING, WE SAID FIRE LANE, NO PARKING, WHATEVER IT SAYS A HUNDRED DOLLARS FINE, MIGHT GET SOMEONE'S ATTENTION JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.

IF WE PASS THIS FIRE, DAVIS, YOU LET THE COMMENT, THE SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT UP HAVE BEEN, UH, WITH LANGUAGE APPROVED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL, BOTH

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THE LOCATION AND THE LANGUAGE.

SO HE, HE COULD IN THE FUTURE, AS NEW ONES ARE BEING PUT UP, REQUIRE THAT, BUT I, I'M JUST SUGGESTING MAYBE JUST LET PEOPLE KNOW AND, BUT HE MAY LOOK AT AND GO, HMM, A HUNDRED DOLLARS MIGHT BE A LITTLE STEEP.

MAYBE I DON'T PARK HERE.

YEAH.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

YES MA'AM.

THE SIGNS READ, NO STOPPING STANDING PARKING, FIRE LANE, AND WE COULD EASILY HAVE THEM JUST ADD A SIGN TO THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS A HUNDRED DOLLARS FINE.

SOME JURISDICTIONS HAVE THAT.

I'VE SEEN THOSE IN SOME JURISDICTIONS.

RIGHT.

I, I'M JUST DOING THAT.

IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE HELPFUL.

GREAT.

I MEAN, I, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THE EXPERT IN THIS AND NOT ME, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT MAY GET SOMEONE'S ATTENTION A LITTLE BIT MORE.

IT, IT, IT MAY, BUT, UH, IF I COULD JUST, UH, INTERJECT JUST WHAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT IS, I THINK CONSIDERING, UH, WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE'VE COME TO WITH SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS, I THINK THAT COULD, UH, I THINK IF WE HAD 'EM GO BACK AND ADD THAT IT, IT COULD CREATE SOME, UH, SOME, SOME, UH, D DISTURBANCE POSSIBLY WITH SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

JUST A THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, RE UM, REDO.

SORRY.

YEAH.

EVERYONE HAS, UH, WORKED WELL WITH US TO THIS POINT.

OKAY.

ALL THE DEVELOPERS AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY BEEN WITH A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING AND COOPERATION, SO FINE.

I'M THINKING, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WENT THAT WAY IN THE FUTURE, POSSIBLY, BUT I WOULDN'T GO BACK GOING FORWARD GOING FORWARD.

RIGHT.

I'D GRANDFATHER, EVERYONE THAT CAME IN IF WE DID THAT.

YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D WANNA GO BACK AND KIND OF STUFF.

I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT.

IT'S JUST THAT'S A GOOD IDEA THOUGH, MR. VAS.

I, I JUST WANTED TO GO ON RECORD TO THANK FIRE AND RESCUE FOR THINKING OF WAYS TO, UH, DECREASE REGULATION AND MAKE IT, UH, MORE STREAMLINED ON SOME OF THESE POLICIES.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THIS PROBABLY IS OFF TOPIC JUST A BIT, BUT IT IS PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIRE RESCUE RELATED.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING A, A TREND AMONG DEVELOPERS TO TRY TO INCREASE THEIR MONETIZATION OF THE LAND.

AND PART OF THAT HAS BEEN, UM, MORE NARROW STREETS AND FEWER GARAGE STALLS AND NO BASEMENTS.

AND YOU'RE BASICALLY G GUARANTEEING THEY'LL BE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN IS IF FOLKS PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, WHETHER THEY'RE ALLOWED TO OR NOT, JUST CUZ THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ROOM GETTING THE LARGE EQUIPMENT DOWN.

SOME OF THESE CUL-DE-SACS AND DOING A TURNAROUND IS ENDANGERING PUBLIC SAFETY AT SOME LEVEL.

SO I THINK WE AS A COUNTY NEED TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE TRENDS THAT ARE GOING ON OUT THERE IN THE R P U D DEVELOPMENTS AND HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THEIR TAKE AS THEY RIDE OUT OF TOWN AND WHAT THAT DOES TO PUBLIC SAFETY IN, IN, IN THE COUNTY.

SO I'D LIKE TO COMMISSION STAFF TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THOSE TRENDS AND HOW, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAKE IT EASY ON THE CHIEF TO DO HIS JOB BECAUSE KEEPING US SAFE IS JOB ONE.

SO THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU.

MR. VAS, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UM, ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW FROM THE CHIEF BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? NOTHING ON THE OTHER TWO-ISH? UM, YOU KNOW, I I'M SURE IT'S VERY CONTROVERSIAL.

THE, THE HYDRANT COLORS, , THE, THE MULTI-TONE HYDRANT PEOPLE WILL BE SENDING US EMAILS.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, THEN AT, THAT'S, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING .

OOPS.

OKAY.

CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

ROLL CALL, VOTE.

DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION.

MOTION.

OH, WE DIDN'T DO A MOTION.

JUST, JUST VOTE.

WOULD YOU I MOVED AT THE BOARD.

ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE, AMENDING THE COUNTY CODE TO CHANGE THE FIRE HYDRANT COLOR, INCREASE THE FIRE RELATED PARKING, TICK AMOUNTS, AND REVISE THE PERMITTING PROCESS FOR NON-EMERGENCY PATIENT TRANSPORT.

SECOND.

THANK YOU MR. VARES.

MS. LASETTE.

ANY NOW ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION QUESTIONS? ROCO VOTE.

MR. LUKINS? YES.

MS. FAS? YES.

MS. LASETTE? YES.

MR. PETERSON? YES.

MRS. PHARE? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT CHIEF GONNA BRING US HOME.

OKAY.

, SEND US HOME.

[7. 5576: Countywide Ordinance amending County Code Secs. 6-53 (Permissible open]

OKAY.

SO THE NEXT, UH, NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS, UH, CHANGES TO THE OPEN BURNING ORDINANCE.

AND THIS WOULD BE THE, THE OPEN BURNING ORDINANCE, UH, REGULATES, UH, ALL TYPES OF OPEN FIRES, UH, IN THE COUNTY.

WHETHER A HOMEOWNER IS CLEANING UP THE YARD AND BURNING SOME, SOME GARDEN, UM, TRIMMINGS OR SOME STICKS OR SOME LEAVES, THAT TYPE OF THING.

OR IT COULD BE A CONTRACTOR THAT'S CLEARING LAND AND HAS PURCHASED A, UH, PERMIT TO, TO BURN A VERY LARGE

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PILE, UH, IN A CONTROLLED MANNER FOR LAND CLEARING.

UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.

UM, WE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE OPEN BURNING ORDINANCES.

ONE IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY FIRE SAFETY.

UH, WE'RE THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT AND WE WANT TO BE SAFE IN WHAT WE DO.

BUT GLAND COUNTY IS ALSO A RURAL AREA AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY, UH, WANTS TO REMAIN RURAL.

AND THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

AND THAT'S ABOUT 85% OF RURAL AREA AND ABOUT 15% FOR THAT, THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

UH, SO WE TOOK A HARD LOOK AT THIS AND, UH, WE KNOW PROPERTY OWNERS AND LANDOWNERS IN THE COUNTY WANT TO BE ABLE TO BURN, AND WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO BURN, BUT BURN SAFELY.

UH, SO WE LOOKED AT THIS AND SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A SUMMARY OF THE, OF THE ORDINANCE IN GENERAL, OPEN BURNING INCLUDES ANY TYPE OF LEAVES, TREE GARDEN, TRIMMINGS.

IT DOES INCLUDE HOUSEHOLD TRASH.

AND THAT YOU MAY FIND THAT SURPRISING, BUT WHAT IS PROHIBITED FROM BEING BURNED IS GARBAGE.

YOU CANNOT BURN GARBAGE.

AND THE DEFINITION OF GARBAGE IS, IS MORE THAT FOOD WASTE, OR IT COULD BE ANIMAL CAUCUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UH, BUT HOUSEHOLD TRASH IS PERMITTED TO BE BURNED AND ALSO LAND CLEAR AND DEBRIS.

THE OPEN BURNING GENERAL REQUIREMENTS ARE BASICALLY, UH, YOU HAVE TO BE 300 FEET FROM A BUILDING ON A NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY UNLESS YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO DO SO.

UH, OR IF YOU'RE CLEARING LAND, UH, YOU HAVE TO BE 750 FEET FROM A NEIGHBOR'S DWELLING IF, IF THAT LAND CLEARING OPERATION IS OCCURRING.

BUT 50 FEET FROM ANY BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY IN GENERAL, THE FIRE HAS TO BE ATTENDED AT ALL TIMES.

UH, WE DON'T BURN IF IT'S, WE RECOMMEND YOU NOT BURNING IF IT'S TOO WINDY.

UH, AND WE TRY TO KEEP THE PILE SIZES SMALL AND THE PILE SIZES ARE EIGHT BY EIGHT BY EIGHT.

THE WAY WE DESCRIBE THAT TO A CITIZEN IS THAT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BED OF A FULL SIZE PICKUP TRUCK IS ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN BURN AT ONE TIME.

THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT.

UM, IN ADDITION, WE ALSO REQUIRE THAT THE, UH, THE PERSON DOING THE BURNING, UH, CONTACT THE, UH, THE GUC COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER ON THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER AND JUST LET 'EM KNOW THAT THEY'RE CONDUCTING A, UH, CONTROLLED BURN, UH, THERE ON THE PROPERTY.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THAT WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE FOR CHANGES ARE IN THE VERY, UH, DENSE AREAS OF THE COUNTY, THE RP UD AREAS, AND THE N P U D AREAS OF THE COUNTY.

HONESTLY, THE, UH, THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE SO DENSELY POPULATED THAT THE HOUSES ARE SIMPLY JUST TOO CLOSE TOGETHER TO ALLOW OPEN BURNING UNLESS THERE IS SOME TYPE OF, UH, AMENITY TYPE FIRE.

UH, AN AMENITY FIRE WOULD BE A RECREATIONAL FIRE PIT OR A GRILL.

AND UN UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU JUST SIMPLY FOLLOW THE MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDATION AND YOU USE GOOD COMMON SENSE.

UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO, UM, NO TYPE OF OPEN BURNING IN THE R P U D M M P U D AREAS.

UM, AND THAT WOULD BE NO LEAF BURNING, UH, NONE OF THE GUARDING TRIMMINGS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD BURN, UH, IF YOU WERE OUTSIDE OF THOSE AREAS.

NOW, UM, AS FAR AS LAND CLEARING GOES, LAND CLEARING, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, SOME OF THE R P U D AND THE M P U D AREAS, THEY'RE BUILT IN SECTIONS.

SO ONCE YOU, UH, YOU GET ONE SECTION BUILT, ANOTHER SECTION IS UNDER A WAY.

UH, AND SO WE THINK THAT IT'S STILL, UM, A GOOD IDEA TO ALLOW A CONTRACTOR TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO OPEN BURNING FOR LAND CLEARING.

BUT WE HAVE, UH, STRICKEN THIS FROM THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS OF, OF WHAT IT WOULD, UH, TAKE TO DO LAND CLEARING BURNING IF YOU WERE OUTSIDE OF THESE AREAS.

AND BASICALLY WANT TO, UH, INCREASE THE DISTANCE FROM THE NEAREST STRUCTURE FROM THE 750 FEET THAT I MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO TO NOW 1000 FEET IF YOU'RE IN THE R P U D AREA, UH, AND A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE WOOD LINE.

SO 100 FEET FROM THE WOOD LINE.

AND SO THIS WOULD, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, STRICKEN THE, THE BURNING REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN BURNING, UH, AS FAR AS LAND CLEARING IN THOSE AREAS.

AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GUARD AGAINST IS, UH, NUISANCE SMOKE.

OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T WANT AN ASH OR AN EMBER TO SET ANYTHING ELSE ON FIRE, FALL ON ANYONE'S ROOF.

UM, BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, ASHES, SOMETIMES ASHES FROM THESE LARGE PILES OF, UH, DEBRIS THAT ARE BEING BURNED, UH, FROM LAND CLEARING.

THE WIND CAN CARRY THOSE AND THEY FALL ON PEOPLE'S CARS, AND WE GET COMPLAINTS AND WE GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK, AND WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO, UM, TO HAVE A FIRE EXTINGUISHED, UH, IF IT'S BECOMING A NUISANCE FIRE AND AFFECTING, UH, NEIGHBORS AND, AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

UH, BUT THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT ARE PRIMARILY TO THE R P U D AND THE M P U D AREAS FOR OPEN BURNING.

THERE'S, UH, THERE'S ONE LAW THAT COMES IN EVERY YEAR THAT, UM, THAT GETS, THAT ACTUALLY GETS OUR ATTENTION, AND THAT'S THE, THE STATEWIDE BURNING LAW THAT'S IN EFFECT FROM FEBRUARY THE 15TH OR APRIL THE 30TH.

AND MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT AS THE 4:00 PM LAW, AND

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YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT WHEN IT'S IN EFFECT AS WELL.

UH, AND THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE OPEN BURNING BETWEEN THE HOURS OF, UH, 4:00 PM AND MIDNIGHT, UH, BECAUSE USUALLY IN THE SPRING IT'S A WINDIER TIMES OF THE YEAR, THE VEGETATION IS STILL DRY, AND WE SEE AN INCREASE IN BRUSH FIRES AND FOREST FIRES THROUGHOUT THE STATE DURING THAT TIMEFRAME.

AND SO THAT'S NOT MENTIONED, UH, IN YOUR SLIDES, BUT IT IS MENTIONED IN THE, UH, THE, THE COUNTY, UH, ORDINANCE OR OUR ONE PAGER THAT EXPLAINS, UH, OPEN BURNING LAWS IN THE COUNTY.

THE STATE LAW.

IS THAT IT CHIEF? YES, SIR.

THAT'S, UH, .

THAT'S IT.

QUESTIONS .

I DON'T DO SOCIAL CUES WELL, SO YOU GOTTA ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF FERGUSON ON THIS ONE? OKAY, NOT ANY QUESTIONS.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL RIGHT.

DON'T SEE ANYBODY.

SO I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BOARD.

DO I HAVE DISCUSSION A MOTION? MR. JUDGE, I JUST HAD ONE REAL QUICK ONE FOR THE CHIEF, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

THIS IS VERY QUICK.

UM, AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT REMEMBER, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE CALLS THAT I'VE RECEIVED ON THIS TYPE OF THING TO GO BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS TO WHEN KEN LOCK WAS CLEARING ONE OF THEIR PHASES.

OKAY.

SOME BOBBLEHEAD.

YES, SIR.

UM, WOULD THIS HAVE ADDRESSED THAT AT ALL OR WAS THIS, I MEAN, WOULD THIS HAVE EITHER LESSENED THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS I GOT OR ? I'M GONNA LET THE FIRE MARSHAL, UH, HE HANDLE THAT DIRECTLY.

SOME WILL LET HIM SPEAK TO IT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THE BURNING THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS, UH, A LAND CLEARING AND IT BURN WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BODY OF WATER IN KEN LOCK WHEN THEY WERE CLEARING THAT.

SO THEY HAD THE DISTANCES, BUT THE WIND WAS CARRYING THE ASH ACROSS THE WATER AND ONTO THE HOUSES AND THE CARS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POND THERE.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAD ALL THE COMPLAINTS FROM.

AND PEOPLE WERE CALLING ME SAYING, WHO'S GONNA COME POWER WASH MY HOUSE AND MY CARS? AND THEY WERE CALLING YOU TOO, HUH? NO, ? YES, SIR.

THEY WERE, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THIS WOULD'VE LESSENED THOSE CALLS, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

IS THAT R IS THAT R P U D CONSIDERED? IT IS R P U D.

YEAH, THAT'S CONSIDERED RPU U D, SO YES, IT WOULD BECAUSE IT WOULD EXTEND IT TO A THOUSAND FEET.

OKAY.

AND, UM, SO THAT WOULD HELP WITH THAT.

OKAY.

AND UH, PLUS IT SAYS YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO JUST BURN UNLESS IT IS A LAND CLEARING OPERATION.

SO THIS, THAT WAS A LAND CLEARING, THAT WAS A BURN PIT THAT'S CLEARING OPERATION.

OPERATION.

BUT YEAH, AFTER THAT WE, WE KINDA TRIED TO DISCOURAGE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE LET PEOPLE KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO BURN HERE, EVEN THOUGH YOU MEET THE CRITERIA, WE GET COMPLAINTS, YOU KNOW, AND WE GET ENOUGH COMPLAINTS, WE'RE GONNA REVOKE YOUR PERMIT.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I THINK WE HAVE A CAR IN THE COUNTY, NATIONAL .

YES.

AND, UH, WORKS VERY WELL.

TOMMY'S? YES.

UH, ALRIGHT, WELL THIS, SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD INCREASE THE DISTANCE A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT, IN THAT CASE IT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THAT EFFECT BECAUSE OF THE WATER AND THE WIND AND JUST THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

YEAH.

I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THAT DISTANCE WAS, BUT AT THAT TIME, I'M SORRY, AT THAT TIME WE WERE ONLY WORKING WITH 300 FEET, 300 FEET BACK THEN, THEN WE'VE HAD ONE INCREASE SINCE THE 10 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE.

THAT WAS FROM 300 TO SEVEN 50.

AND THIS GOES FROM THOUSAND LAND CLEARANCE.

SO NOW THIS, WE'RE GONNA GO FROM SEVEN 50 TO A THOUSAND.

SO I'M HOPING THIS WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT SITUATION GOING FORWARD.

YEAH, YEAH.

THE INTENT IS TO TRY TO GET THAT DISTANCE, UH, TO TRY TO, AND THERE, ACCORDING TO MY RECORDS, THERE ARE 11, UM, R P U D DEVELOPMENTS IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S PARKSIDE VILLAGE, TUCKO BRIDGE PARK AT SADDLE CREEK PARK AT CENTERVILLE, READERS BRANCH, TUCKO CREEK, KEN LOCKE, MOSAIC PARK AT MANNEQUIN WOODS, WEST OAK, AND RANDOLPH SQUARE.

I MAY HAVE MISSED ONE, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THEM.

YES.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A, UH, M P U D, BUT I THINK THERE'S ONE NOT YET UP IN CENTRAL ONE GONNA BE BUILT, UH, THERE IN CENTERVILLE, SO.

OKAY.

OKAY, GOOD.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I, I'LL YIELD BACK MR. CHAIR.

THE CHAIR MOVED THAT THE BOARD ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COUNTY CODE TO ADD OPEN BURNING RESTRICTIONS IN THE RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND MIXED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICTS AND CLARIFY OPEN BURNING NOTICE AND PERMIT REQUIREMENTS.

SECOND.

THANK YOU MR. LUMPKINS.

MR. PETERSON, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL VOTE.

MR. VADOS? YES.

AND MS. LASETTE? YES.

MR. PETERSON? YES.

MR. LUMPKINS? YES.

MR. SPOONER? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD WORK TODAY.

BOARD.

UM, MR. UH, CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, UH, JUST TO CLOSE ON IT, OPEN BURNING, UH, IF THERE, IF ANY CITIZENS EVER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE TAKE THE OPEN BURNING EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A HAZARD ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO I'D JUST LIKE TO PART ON THIS BY JUST SAYING IF THERE'S EVER A TIME THAT A CITIZEN HAS A QUESTION ABOUT OPEN BURNING, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

WE'RE HAPPY

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TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT THE AREA THEY WANNA BURN IN ADVANCE IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'D LIKE.

UH, SO PLEASE HAVE 'EM CALL US.

UH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

AND WE DO TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.

AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR, UH, THE APPROVAL AND THOSE ITEMS. THANK YOU CHIEF.

THANKS FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO.

ALL RIGHT.

BOARD, WE ARE ADJOURNED TO OUR WEDNESDAY 11TH 9:00 AM JOINT WORK SESSION WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE SCHOOL BOARD OUR

[XIX. Adjournment: The Board of Supervisors will adjourn as follows:]

WEDNESDAY 11TH, 1:00 PM JOINT WORK SESSION WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 7TH AUDIT FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING, AND A TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 7TH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS 2:00 PM REGULAR MEETING WITH THE 6:00 PM PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THANK YOU.

AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.