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MAYBE THEY USE A, YOU READY? WE HAVE FULL ROOM EVERYBODY.
WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 11TH, UH, SUPERVISORS AND PLANNING COMMISSION NUMBERS.
ARE YOU HEREBY CALL TO CALL TO ORDER THE S AND COUNTY BOARD SUPERVISORS AND TURN OVER TO MR. PIAR CALL.
GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, CHAIRPERSON FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I OPEN THE MEETING FOR THE, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
UH, THANKS EVERYBODY FOR COMING.
UH, JUST, UH, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE AGENDA, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, A WORK SESSION, UH, STAFF GONNA BE PRESENTING.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THERE'LL BE SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE, UH, FROM THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ON THE SMALL BUSINESS.
AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO OPEN DISCUSSION.
SO AT THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR STAFF, FIGURE OUT WHICH THAT.
UH, I'M CRYSTAL
WE HAVE FOR YOU ALL, A VERY SIMPLE, IT MAY SEEM LONG PRESENTATION ONE, WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE LAND USES THAT ARE PROPOSED IN BOTH OF THE VILLAGE PLANS AND OBTAIN FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL AS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON DENSITY LOT SIZES AND JUST GENERALIZED THOUGHTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE AS FOLKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY TASKED WITH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, ADOPTING OR DEFERRING ANY AMENDMENTS TO CONFLICT WHICH THESE PLANS ONCE COMPLETED.
THAT'S THE GOAL THAT THEY'RE ADOPTED WITH PART OF THE COMP PLAN.
SO, JUST AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TODAY.
I WANT TO PROVIDE YOU ALL AN OVERVIEW, ESPECIALLY AS I SAID, TWICE OF CURRENT STAFF EFFORTS OF WHERE WE ARE NOW.
ALSO, WE'LL GO OVER CENTERVILLE COURTHOUSE VILLAGES, UH, CENTRAL TENANTS AND THE CORE VALUES THAT EACH PLAN IS SEEKING TO ACHIEVE AND ASCERTAIN AND THE PROPOSED LAND USES.
AND FINALLY, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL AT THE TABLE.
SO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, WE'VE HAD OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WE'VE HAD OUR DRAFT PLAN THAT IS A DRAFT DOCUMENT OUT PUBLISHED NOW FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS.
WE'RE WORKING ON TAKING IN ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
SO WE'VE HAD, UM, ONLINE COMMENTS, WE'VE HAD EMAILS, WE'VE HAD PHONE CALLS, WE'VE HAD SOME MEETINGS, WE'VE HAD BOARD MEMBER DISCUSSIONS AS ONE-OFFS, DISCUSSIONS AND FEEDBACK FROM PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
AND WE'RE COMPILING ALL OF THAT.
WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO MAKE THE DRAFT MORE GUC AND CENTRIC.
THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS AND THEMES THAT WE'VE COVERED TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
UM, REALIZING THAT WE GOT PRETTY FAR INTO A PROCESS BEFORE A SUBSTANTIAL DOCUMENT WAS PRESENTED.
AND SO THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY WE REALIZED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND MAKE IT MORTGAGE CENTRIC.
BY THAT I MEAN WE HAVE STAFF INTERNALLY WORKING ON AN INTRODUCTION FOR BOTH OF THE VILLAGE PLANS TO MAKE THEM PERSONALIZE, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DRIVING HOME WHAT THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THOSE PLANS ARE.
WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON HAVING THE MATERIAL BE LESS DENSE.
SO UNLESS YOU'RE A PLANNER AND A LAND USE EXPERT AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT, THE MATERIAL IS NOT EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
THE MESSAGE CAN EASILY BE LOST, AND WE REALIZE THAT THERE'S A BETTER WAY THAT WE CAN WORK TO HIGHLIGHT THE PUBLIC VALUE IN THE COMMUNITY GAINS THAT CAN BE PROPOSED WITH SOME OF THE, CAN BE GAINED WITH SOME OF THE PROPOSED LAND USES.
AND FINALLY, WE ALSO REALIZE THAT WE NEED BETTER VISUALS FOR OUR LAND USE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED CATEGORIES, FOCUSING ON WHAT IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE, MAKING IT REPRESENTATIVE, HAVING CROSS-SECTION VIEWS, HAVING STREET LEVEL VIEW.
ALSO TRYING TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT I MENTIONED EARLIER, WANTING TO HEAR FEEDBACK ON LOT SIZES ON DENSITY.
SO TRYING TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT, RIGHT? IT MAY NOT BE, UM, IN CENTERVILLE DENSITY OF 15 STARTING OUT AUTOMATICALLY.
MAYBE THE SWEET SPOT IS NINE OR 10 UNITS THAT THAT'S YOUR UNITS PER ACRE WITH BONUS DENSITIES.
BUT THAT'S WHAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION HERE IS THAT.
AND ALSO A CORE THING THAT WE'VE HEARD IS TRYING TO LOOK AT, DO WE REALLY NEED THE MARKETING AND BRANDING PIECE
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WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A CENTRAL POINT OF VIEW WITH, UM, SYNERGY WITH BUTLAND COUNTY ONE, BUTLAND COUNTY ALREADY HAS VERY DISTINCTIVE BRAND REPRESENTATION.WE ALSO HAVE THAT BUILDING WITH OUR TOURISM PLAN AND TO CREATE A LOOK AND FEEL FOR AN AREA.
REALLY DO THAT THROUGH LAND USE GUIDELINES AND OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON IT INTERNALLY.
SO IT'S TAKING A LITTLE LONGER, BUT WE'RE BEING VERY HANDS ON AND WE DO HAVE SOME GOOD BONES TO WORK WITH.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MS. SHE ACTUALLY, YOU'RE DOING THE NEXT SLIDE.
OH, I'M DOING THE NEXT SLIDE TOO.
I FORGOT, I FORGOT WHERE WE WERE.
I'LL JUST PLAY VAN WHITE FOR THE AFTERNOON.
SO I MENTIONED THAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU ALL AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE CENTRAL TENANTS OR CORE VALUES OF EACH PLAN WORK, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'RE DISTINCTIVE, YET THEY KIND OF WORK TOGETHER.
SO WITHIN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGES WITH COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, WHICH IS THE, THE PLAN THAT WE WILL START WITH THE CENTRAL TENANTS AND CORE VALUES IN THIS PLAN IS REALLY CENTERS ON THE COUNTY HAS THAT DESIGNATED PREDETERMINED CORE VALUE OF THE 85 15 RULE, RIGHT? 85% OF THE COUNTY WILL REMAIN RURAL AGRICULTURAL, 15% IN DESIGNATED AREAS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL GROWTH BASED ON PREDETERMINED FACTORS SUCH AS UTILITIES AND OTHER THINGS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AIMING TO DEVELOP A VISION FOR WHAT COULD BE ALLOWED LONG TERM AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CREATING A SENSE OF PLACE AND PURPOSE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO BLEND USAGE AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION, ESPECIALLY IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AREA.
THERE, THERE'S ALREADY A DISTINCTIVE LOOK AND FEEL.
SO HOW DO YOU BUILD UPON THAT? AND THE VILLAGE AREA IDENTIFIED FOR THE COURTHOUSE STUDY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THIS IS FIVE SQUARE MILES.
THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AREA WITH A VILLAGE COURT COMPRISING ABOUT TWO SQUARE MILES.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. SHERRY, WHO WILL COVER LAND USES.
NO, I'M GONNA PUT IT OVER HERE JUST IN CASE I NEED TO REFER TO
EXCUSE ME, MR. DUKE, THANK YOU ALL FOR, UH, COMING OUT ON THIS WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.
UH, THIS VERY, UH, INTERESTING, IMPORTANT SUBJECT.
AND I'LL TRY NOT TO MAKE IT TOO TERRIBLY DRY.
UM, AS CHRIS, OH, FIRST OF ALL, I'M JANE SHERRY, I'M DIRECTOR OF, UH, SHE'S KIND OF TALKED A LITTLE BIT OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
UM, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS WE DID HERE, UM, OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS SINCE THE PLAN HAS BEEN PUT OUT, UH, LOT OF, UM, LOT OF COMMENTS AND, AND AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT OUR LAND USE AND DENSITY IS, WE RECOGNIZE THAT UP FRONT, UM, STAFF HAS SOME IDEAS ON, ON HOW TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COMBINE SOME OF THE, UM, THE LAND USES.
CUZ AS YOU'RE GONNA SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF LAND USE.
BUT REALLY UNTIL WE HEAR FROM YOU AND THEN WE GO BACK AGAIN TO LOOK AT WHAT THE, UM, UH, THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID, WE WILL NEED, UH, TO HEAR THOSE COMMENTS BEFORE WE HEAR PROPER DIRECTION BACK TO, UH, OUR CONSULTANT.
SO, UM, WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE FIRST, AND WE ARE ESSENTIALLY GONNA BE DISCUSSING, UM, VERY QUICKLY, AND FORGIVE ME IF THIS IS GONNA BE VERY HIGH LEVEL IN QUESTION.
WE DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF TIME, UH, THE LAND USES THAT ARE PROPOSED, UH, TYPICALLY IN THE LEASE, UM, DENSE LEASE, UM, LAND USE TO THE HIGHEST DENSITY.
SO TO START WITH, WE HAVE OUR, UM, COURTHOUSE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS, UH, DEPICTED IN THAT LIGHT YELLOW.
I PUT SOME ARROWS TO SHOW YOU WHERE IT IS.
I KNOW IT DOESN'T ALWAYS PROJECT PROPERLY.
UH, THIS IS PROPOSING ONE ACRE UNIT.
UH, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR THERE TO BE UP TO, UM, ONE AND A HALF ACRES PER UNIT IF THERE ARE OPEN SPACES, AMENITIES, UM, AND THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO GO DOWN TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN OUR CURRENT, UM, MAIN USE DENSITY OF OUR LOW DENSITY, WHICH IS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN MOST OF THE AREAS WHERE THIS IS IDENTIFIED.
THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO HAVE A MORE OPEN SPACE AROUND THE PERVA DOOR.
SO IF YOU'RE ENTERING INTO THE VILLAGE, IT'S NOT JUST BA RIGHT, RIGHT IN YOUR FACE.
YOU'RE RIGHT AT THE DOOR OF THE VILLAGE.
MS. EXCUSE BE ADAM, DO YOU INTERRUPT, UM, FOR THOSE THAT MIGHT BE TRYING TO TAKE NOTES, UM, WILL THIS BE AVAILABLE ONLINE? YEAH, WE CAN PUT IT ONLINE.
I JUST FINISHED IT A FEW MINUTES AGO.
SO, UH, WE WILL BE ABLE TO PUT THAT ONLINE.
AND, UH, FOR ALL OF YOU WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR, WE DO HAVE, UM, THE PLAN AS WELL AS ALL THE BACK DOCUMENTS, ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED ON OUR WEBPAGE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A, UH, CENTERVILLE AND UM, UH, UH, A VILLAGE PLAN WEBPAGE WITH THAT IS CENTERVILLE, AND THEN A COURTHOUSE SECTION.
AND THERE'S COMMENTS, OUR CONTACT INFORMATION.
ANY QUESTIONS, YOU MAY HAVE ME CONTACT US.
AM I GOING? OH, THIS, THIS IS JUST A LITTLE PREVIEW OF WHAT'S TO COME.
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START FROM THE BEGINNING.GO FORGET ME WHEN IT'S BEHIND ME.
I CAN'T SEE IT VERY WELL EITHER.
SO CAN, SO THE NEXT LAND USE DESIGNATION IS, I'M GONNA READ IT FROM YOUR PAPER.
UM, COURTHOUSE, PLANNED UNITS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS IN THE ORANGE AREAS, AND THIS IS GENERALLY HERE, HERE.
AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE, UH, COUPLE OF SPOTS WITHIN THAT, UH, DOTTED LINE AREA.
THIS IS, UH, UH, PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT THERE IS AN ALLOWANCE FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS 2.5 ACRES IS WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED.
UM, TWO, UH, UNITS PER ACRE, UM, UP TO THREE UNITS PER ACRE WITH OPEN SPACE.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THAT 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, UH, WITH SQUARE, UH, WITH BOTH OPEN SPACE AND AMENITIES WITH THE ANTENNA, AGAIN, PROVIDING FOR THOSE AMENITIES AND OPEN SPACE WILL GET YOU A HIGHER AMOUNT OF THAT.
AND THEN THE RED IS SHOWN AS OUR MIXED USE, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THIS COULD GO UP OR, UM, WIDE AS FAR AS, UM, HOW IT, WE DEVELOPED WITH A MAXIMUM OF SIX UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, THIS WOULD BE FIRST FOR COMMERCIAL WITH, UM, ALLOWANCE FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
ON TOP OF THAT, THERE WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF, UH, 30% COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS.
UM, OPEN SPACE, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION COULD GO UP TO EIGHT UNITS PER, UM, PER ACRES PER UNIT.
AND THERE WOULD BE LIMITATIONS ON THE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL.
IT WOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, MORE SERVICE ORIENTED AS OPPOSED TO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, RETAIL USES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSE.
SO OUR, UH, NEXT IS THE COURTHOUSE MIXED USE WITHIN THE CORE.
SO IF YOU NOTICE, UM, THE RED RUNS UP AND DOWN BOTH ROUTE SIX AS WELL AS 5 22, UH, IN SPOTTY AREAS.
THE AREAS IDENTIFIED WITH THE, THE HASH LINE, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IN THE BACK, DOES HAVE A SEPARATE DESIGNATION.
UM, THE, THIS IS OUR MORE HISTORICAL PORTION OF THE, UH, VILLAGE.
SO THE INTENT IS TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND WHEN INFILL DOES OCCUR TO, UM, HAVE A, YOU KNOW, IN CONSISTENT IN SIZE AND WALKABILITY AND, AND, AND, AND SO THAT IT JUST FITS RIGHT IN AND ADDS TO THAT COHESIVENESS.
UM, ANY NEW BUILDING SHALL BE TO SCALE.
UH, THIS DOES ALLOW FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE WITHIN THAT CORE AREA, THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE, UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD P U D ALLOWANCE.
SO THE INSTITUTIONAL MIXED USE, THIS IS, UM, IDENTIFIED FOR JUST THIS ONE AREA IDENTIFIED IN BROWN, ESSENTIALLY THAT IS, UH, REYNOLDS COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
UH, THEY, UM, SERVES THE, ACTUALLY IN THE CHARACTERISTICS, IT JUST TALKS ABOUT THE APPEARANCE, THE OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE PLAN ITSELF.
THERE ARE INSETS OF, OF POSSIBLE WAYS OF POSSIBLE USES THAT CAN BE, UM, USED FOR THAT.
SO THERE'RE MORE DETAIL THAN THE PLAN, BUT IT DOES IDENTIFY AS A, A PLACE WHERE THE USES, WHATEVER THEY ARE, THEY, WE STILL NEED TO RETAIN THOSE OPEN LAWN AND FIELDS WITH, HAVE MORE CLUSTERED, UM, TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT.
SO THAT'S, UH, THE VERY FAST AND QUICK OVERVIEW OF, UH, COURTHOUSE.
AND WHILE WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO CENTERVILLE, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE USES WITHIN CENTERVILLE.
CHRIS, DO YOU WANNA GO OVER THE, UM, COURT TENANTS? HAPPY TO.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WITH OUR CORE VALUES IN CENTERVILLE, THERE IS SOME SIMILARITY.
AGAIN, WE WANTED TO WORK TO PRESERVE THE 85%, 15% RULE THAT GLAND HAS ADOPTED, WHICH IS VERY AMBITIOUS, BUT ALSO TRIES TO ALLOW FOR CONTROLLED GROWTH.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON RULE ENHANCEMENT, LAND USE DESIGNATION, THAT THE 85% REMAINS THAT WAY.
SO CENTRAL FOCUS OF THIS IS REALLY TRYING TO BLEND THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE BALANCED DEVELOPMENT IN THAT GREEN SPACE.
YOU'LL SEE MORE FOCUS ON THAT GREEN SPACE IN CENTERVILLE AND CREATING A DISTINCT IDENTITY THAT FOSTERS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY, BUT REPRESENTS BALANCE AND RESPECT FOR THE CORE LAND.
AND ALSO ALIGNS WITH THE VALUES OF THE COUNTY AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE AREA, IT'S, THE STUDY AREA ITSELF IS 4.9 MILES WITH A CORE COMPRISING A HALF SQUARE MILE.
SO WHEN WE TALK THROUGH THIS DENSITY AND WE TALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT WE'VE SEEN TRADITIONALLY IS, UM, A BIG JUMP.
AND SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT.
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SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TO HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS.AND SO AS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE ARE, UM, A, A LOT OF LAND USE, UH, DESIGNATIONS WITHIN THIS DISTRICT.
I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO TRY AND REALLY IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, EACH PLACE AS A, AS A SPECIAL PLACE.
AS CRYSTAL MENTIONED, UH, THERE IS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY IN THIS, UM, THIS AREA FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO IDENTIFYING AND, AND GETTING IT RIGHT, I THINK WAS THE INTENTION.
UM, AGAIN, STARTING WITH THE MOST, UH, LEAST INTENSE LAND USE.
UH, GONNA BE CIRCLING AROUND, KIND OF AROUND THE AREA THAT WILL BE LEADING INTO THE, UM, RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA, DESIGNATION OF THE COMP PLAN.
SO WE HAVE THE CENTERVILLE RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THIS ALLOWS FOR, UM, A BASE, UH, DEX OF 1.5 METERS PER ACRE.
UM, THE LOTS COULD BE SMALLER, UM, DEPENDING ON IF THERE'S A PRESERVATION OF WOODLANDS.
UM, OPEN FIELD TEDROS, UM, AND THEY COULD BE, UM, AS LOW AS 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
OUR NEXT DESIGNATION'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY HARD TO SEE, I THINK ON THIS, UM, ON THIS SIDE, CAUSE THE, THE COLOR IS VERY SIMILAR.
SO I'M GONNA KIND OF POINT IT OUT.
THIS AREA HERE IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT KIND OF CURVES AROUND THAT WAY.
UM, THIS IS THE CENTER RESIDENTIAL, EXCUSE ME, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS ALSO A, UH, ONLY A RESIDENTIAL LAND USE.
UM, IT ALLOWS FOR THREE ACRES, UM, THREE, THREE UNITS PER ACRES AND LOTS UNDER 15,000 SQUARE, UH, 15,000 SQUARE FEET WITH OPEN SPACE.
AGAIN, ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL ONLY DESIGNATION IS THE CENTERVILLE RESIDENTIAL ONLY IS IDENTIFIED AS, SO WE HAVE A LIGHT LIKE THE LIGHTEST YELLOW, THE LIGHT YELLOW, UH, LIGHT ORANGE THAT I JUST DID.
THERE'S A LITTLE DARKER ORANGE.
AND THEN WE'LL FINISH OUT WITH THAT ORANGE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
SO, UM, THIS AGAIN IS I SAID IS RESIDENTIAL ONLY, UH, DENSITIES AT FOUR TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE REQUIRED AT 30% OF THE OVERALL PROPERTY.
UM, HIGHER DENSITIES, UH, WOULD BE ALLOWED IF THERE WERE ONSITE OR NEARBY, UM, UH, DENSITIES FOR AMENITIES THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED.
SO I THINK THE ARROW FAIRLY IS TOUCHING THAT ORANGE PART, SO I APOLOGIZE.
IT'S NOT REALLY POINTING VERY WELL.
BUT, SO THE AREA WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW IS, UM, CENTERVILLE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE INTENT IS AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN FOR IT TO BE, AS IT'S GOING CLOSER TO THE CORE TO ALLOW FOR A HIGHER DENSITY, HIGHER DENSITY.
AND THEN THE, THE HIGHEST DENSITY IN THIS PORTION OF THE, THE VILLAGE.
UH, THIS WOULD ALLOW UP TO U EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE, UM, AS THE BASE AND UP TO 12 UNITS GRADE WITH OPEN SPACE AND AMENITIES.
THIS DOES ALLOW FOR LIMITED COMMERCIAL, UM, AGAIN, WITH THE INTENT THAT IS, THAT'S MOVING TOWARD BEFORE, UM, THERE, UH, WOULD BE COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL.
AND MOVING ON, UM, THIS IS THE CENTERVILLE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THIS AREA IS ON THE FAR EASTERN PORTION, RIGHT AT THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
I MEAN OF THE, UM, OF, UM, THE DISTRICT.
IT IS THE SIGN THAT IS, UH, PKA DOTTED.
AND WHAT THIS WOULD, UH, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS DESIGNATION ARE APARTMENTS, UH, OR CONDOMINIUMS UP TO 16 ACRES PER UNITS PER ACRE FOR THE BASE.
UM, THERE WOULD BE LIMITED COER COMMERCIAL AS PERMITTED, UH, WITH BONUS, UM, WITH I GUESS BONUS DENSITY OF UP TO 18 UNITS PER ACRE WITH, UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, AMENITIES OR COMMERCIAL.
UH, THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE MIXED USE IS IDENTIFIED WITH, UM, THE AREA IDENTIFIED IN THE CIRCLE, BUT IT'S ALSO PRIMARILY THE COMMERCIAL MIXED USE IS, UM, IN THE RED STRIPES.
UH, THIS ALLOWS FOR REG RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES UP TO AT 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, AGAIN, FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL, UM, PER, UH, RESIDENTIAL MINIMUM OF 30% OF THE ACREAGE SHALL BE, UM, USED AS COMMERCIAL USE.
UM, OPEN SPACE CONSIDERATIONS FOR DENSITY BONUSES UP TO 15 YEARERS.
UM, AND THERE'S LIMITATIONS ONCE DOWN ON THE TYPES OF USES VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD STYLE.
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THEN THAT MOVES US TO THE GATEWAY COMMERCIAL.UM, AND SO THIS AREA IS IDENTIFIED, UM, BY THE PINK, WHICH KIND OF RUNS ALONG THE, UH, THE FLOODPLAIN HERE.
UM, WITH THE INTENT TO, THERE'S LOTS OF, UH, UNUSABLE SPACE POTENTIALLY ANYWHERE, ANYWHERE THERE TO IN AND OF ITSELF.
IT DOES LET ITSELF TO A NICE AND, UH, PROJECT, UM, TO MAINTAIN THE IMAGE AND, UM, CONTINUOUS, UH, SENSE OF THE VILLAGE AND THE EDGE MUST BE CLEARLY DELINEATED.
SO IN A WAY, THIS IS LIKE YOU LEAVE, UM, THE EASTERN PORTION OR YOU YEAH, EASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
AND YOU ENTER YOU NEAR, YOU'RE IN THE VILLAGE CORE.
ONCE YOU GET PAST THIS, THIS WELL AREA, UM, SIGNIFICANT SCENERY MUST REMAIN INTACT FOR THIS DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL USES, RECOMMENDED EXCUSE INCLUDE, UM, RESTAURANTS, HOTELS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, ALL FIELD COMPLEX, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND NEARING THE END OF THE DESIGNATIONS, WE HAVE THE INTER, UH, CENTERVILLE INTERCHANGE.
AND SO WE BOTH HAVE 2 88 HERE AND, UM, AND BROAD STREET ROAD.
AND THEN WE HAVE UP HERE WE HAVE 64 AND ASHLAND.
THOSE AREAS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR, UM, COMMERCIAL, UH, THERE'S MAINTAINED THE IMAGE AND OH, THAT'S THE SAME WORD.
SO THE INTENT OF THIS IS REALLY TO, UM, PROVIDE THE USES, UM, UH, FOR THAT WHICH ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAVELING BY AND WANT TO STOP, OR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING HOME AND GETTING OFF THE INTERSTATE AND WHO NEED TO GET SOME OF THE SERVICES.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HAVING IT BE A YOU, NOT YOUR TYPICAL, UM, GET OFF THE INTERSTATE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST GOING TO THE DRIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, DRIVE THROUGH, UM, HEAVILY LANDSCAPE AND BUFFER.
UM, AND DEFINITELY BUFFERED FROM THE ADJACENT USES.
UM,
AND SO THAT'S THE AREAS IDENTIFIED IN THE PURPLE.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE IN THE, UM, IN THE GRAY THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG.
THIS IS OUR PRE PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BASICALLY, UH, THE, THE PLAN, UH, USES LEAN BACK ON, UH, THE 20, UH, 20, 20, 35 PLAN.
BASICALLY SAYING THAT LOOKING FOR INDUSTRIES THAT ARE, ARE TECHNICAL, THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, HIGH JOB GROWTH, GOOD, UM, INCOME REVENUE, UH, INCOME REVENUE, UM, MAKING.
AND THEN, UM, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE, UH, OVERLAY OF DESIGN STANDARDS THAT KIND OF MAKE THIS A MORE SPECIAL PLACE AS OPPOSED TO, NOT THAT THE PLACE IS ABOVE 64, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THE HARD USES SUCH AS THE S AND THINGS ALONG THAT, THOSE LINES WILL BE MORE OF THE OFFICE PARK.
SO THAT HIGH TECHNICAL BUILDINGS WITH A, A NICE APPEARANCE WE CAN GET THERE.
THAT'S BASICALLY, THAT WENT A LOT FASTER THAN I THOUGHT.
SO I HOPE I DIDN'T RUSH THROUGH IT TOO QUICKLY.
BUT, UM, THOSE ARE BASICALLY JUST THE LAND USES ON IN THERE.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU OR IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION.
UH, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND I APPRECIATE AGAIN, ALL OF YOU BEING HERE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH, UH, FRAME THE PLAN THAT, UM, CITIZENS WILL BE HAPPY WITH.
THANK YOU, MR. SO IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD.
SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS, JUST KIND OF RECAPPING, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK.
UM, WE'VE SORT OF, WE, WE'VE HEARD WHAT THE, THE CONSULTANT HAS COME BACK WITH.
UH, WE'VE DECIDED TO KIND OF TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN OUR OWN HANDS, UH, BASED ON, ON FEEDBACK AND, AND THEIR PERFORMANCE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE BOARDS TO KNOW FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE COMING OUTTA THIS, WHAT HELPS YOU, LIKE, WHAT, WHAT TYPES OF THINGS ARE YOU HOPING TO HEAR FROM THE, OUR BOARDS TODAY THAT THAT WILL HELP US TO MOVE CLOSER TO A, A MORE FINALIZED PLAN? ABSOLUTELY.
SO FOR US, WHAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE HELPFUL AS WE TRY TO MASSAGE THE FOUNDATIONAL FRAMEWORK THAT IS IN BOTH THE COURTHOUSE AND CENTERVILLE PLAN PLANS RATHER, IS THINGS LIKE THIS.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CENTERVILLE MIXED USE, AND IT STARTS WITH RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES AT 12 UNITS AN ACRE AND LOOKING AT SECOND FLOOR LIVING OVER FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT THEN THERE'S BONUS DENSITY
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OF UP TO 15 UNITS PER ACRE, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, GETTING A IDEA FROM YOU ALL, WHAT IS PALPABLE, UH, WHAT ARE THINGS THAT, THAT WE CAN LIVE WITH AS FAR AS DENSITY? IS 12 TOO HIGH TO START AT? SHOULD IT BE 10? I, I DON'T KNOW.UM, JUST TRYING TO FIND THAT, BECAUSE THAT WILL ALSO DRIVE HOME SOME OF THE REWORK OF VISUALS THAT WE WILL BE TRYING TO DO.
AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET THROUGH THESE PLANS, WE HAVE ZONING ORDINANCES THAT WILL GET UPDATED WITH LAND USE GUIDELINES.
SO THIS IS THE CORE TENANT OF ALL THAT.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S HELPFUL FOLKS.
WELL, I'LL, I'LL JUST START OFF AND, AND YOU LANDED ON THAT SLIDE.
THAT'S ONE SLIDE I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
I KNOW YOU FOCUSED CRYSTAL ON, ON THE DENSITY NUMBER AND I, I, MY THOUGHT IS WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE MARKET DRIVING? I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SOMETHING I WOULD CONSIDER.
WHAT IS THE MARKET EXPECTATION? BUT, BUT SPECIFICALLY TO THAT SLIDE, WHY ARE WE, IF WE ARE, I MEAN I KNOW THIS IS THIS, IT'S STILL IN PLANNING, BUT WHY WOULD WE CHOOSE TO HAVE MIXED USE THE, UM, VERTICAL VERSUS PERMITTING, HORIZONTAL MIXED USE IN THIS AREA? THAT'S A BIG SWAP AREA TO DICTATE VERTICAL.
MIXED USE WHEN I THINK YOU'LL FIND SOME DEVELOPERS IN THE RICHMOND AREA WHO WOULD SAY THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO VERTICAL MIXED USE, THAT HORIZONTAL MIXED USE.
UM, SO I'M JUST PAUSING ON ON TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS PLAN IS GONNA DICTATE THAT, BUT IN TERMS OF DENSITY, I'VE KIND OF NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE RIGHT DENSITY? I MEAN, AGAIN, KINDA GOES WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? I MEAN, ARE WE AGAIN, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT PACKED IN HERE.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE OPEN SPACE CONSIDERATIONS.
YOU, WE HAVE THE PLAN IS GOING TO OFFER SOME, SOME INCENTIVES.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING HERE'S, HERE'S YOUR BASE DENSITY AND WE'LL INCENTIVIZE IT.
IS IT, IS THE INCENTIVIZATION MORE OPEN SPACE OR ARE, ARE THERE SOME OTHER INCENTIVE OPEN SPACE OR COMMUNAL AMENITIES? SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PASSIVE OR ACTIVE OPEN SPACE AND UM, THINK OF THE ACTIVE, THE AMENITIES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY ALSO BE USED COMMUNITYWIDE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S NOT RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IN THE CENTERVILLE AREA OR ON THAT END OF THE COUNTY OR UM, COMMUNITY CENTER TYPE FACILITIES.
AND TO GO BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE DENSITY OR THE SECOND STORY LIVING, I KNOW WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY LOOKED AT THE MIX OF COMMERCIAL UP FRONT RESIDENTIAL IN THE FACT WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING WITH, UM, SOME DEVELOPERS ASKING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT SWEET SPOT FOR YOU ALL WHEN YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES THAT DO THE MARKET WORK AND YOU FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ACTUALLY CAN BE ABSORBED, UM, WHAT IS THAT? AND SO WE'RE WORKING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET TRENDS THAT THEY'RE SEEING.
AND POTENTIALLY IT MAY COME DOWN.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT FOR INSTANCE, WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IS SIX UNITS PER ACRE.
THAT IS A BARRIER TO DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT'S BEEN A BARRIER FOR SOME PROJECTS, BUT IT'S ALSO A BARRIER FOR OTHER ENTITIES THAT HAVE DONE BUSINESS WITHIN THE COUNTY TO GET VARIED DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE IT WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST US RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THE ONE-OFF DEVELOPMENTS AND HAVE THINGS IN A MORE FORM-FITTING FASHION THAT FALL INTO THE APPROPRIATE PLACE.
SO, AND THIS MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER AND WE FULLY RECOGNIZE THAT.
SO WHAT I GOTTA TRY TO BRING US UP A LEVEL QUICKLY, CUZ I I I CAN APPRECIATE THAT WE WANT TO GET TO, IT'S 12, IT'S 11, IT'S 12.7, 6 5 2 HERE.
HERE'S WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS A WORKING SESSION TO GET US TO WHERE WE ARE.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE NUMBER SHOULD BE.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS WHAT I WANT TO BE STRIVING TOWARDS, WHICH IS WE'VE HEARD OUR CITIZENS LOUD AND CLEAR SAY WE DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE SHORT PUMP.
WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY LOOKING DIFFERENT.
BUT WHAT DOES THAT DIFFERENCE LOOK LIKE? SO IF YOU WERE TO TELL ME, HEY, A MILE DOWN THE ROAD, SPOON HOUR, YOU'VE GOT 22 UNITS PER ACRE, WE'RE STEPPING IT DOWN TO THIS.
THAT WOULD HELP ME GET CLOSER.
BUT AS WELL, AND I KNOW THESE GUYS, THESE KEEP CHANGING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE REACT TO THIS CUZ IT LOOKS LIKE A TON OF CHANGE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH CHANGE IT REALLY IS.
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BUT BEING ABLE TO GO DOWN AND SAY, HEY, LIKE IF, IF I THINK OF THE COURTHOUSE, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOSH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE PER ACRE.I'M LIKE, WELL THAT'S ALREADY 80% GO OUT.
SO WE'RE REALLY ONLY TALKING ABOUT THESE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE ACTUALLY CHANGING TO, TO HELP PEOPLE REACT TO TO THEM.
HOW MUCH OF THIS IS REALLY CHANGED, UH, THAT, THAT WILL HELP ME GET TO YOU TO AN ACTUAL NUMBER.
AND WE'RE WORKING ON SOME OF THAT COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS ANALYSIS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN REFERENCED, UM, A LOT AND TALKS WITH FOLKS FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS BOTH FROM THE CITIZEN SIDE, THE BUSINESS SIDE IS WE DON'T WANT WEST BROAD VILLAGE, BUT WHAT'S A SWEET SPOT BETWEEN WEST BROAD VILLAGE AND LIBBY MILL, UM, WHICH IS OFF OF STAPLES MILL AND UM, BROAD STREET.
SO WHAT'S A, WHAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BETWEEN THAT THAT STRIKES A BETTER BALANCE OF BEING MORE ALONG THOSE LINES? AND ONE THING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS MAYBE THAT WE DO A DAY TRIP AROUND SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, UM, IN THOSE AREAS.
LIKE THERE'S COTTAGE STYLE HOMES OFF OF UM, GRANITE AND MAPLE INSIDE THE CITY.
BUT SEEING THOSE DENSITIES AND SEEING AND TAKING NOTES LIKE WHAT WORKS, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF LANDSCAPING ARE YOU LIKING? THE SETBACKS AND THOSE THINGS TO BETTER ALSO HELP GUIDE THE ZONING, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYONE HAS TO COME, BUT IF THERE'S ONE OR TWO FROM THE BOARD AND ONE OR TWO FOLKS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE GO AROUND, WE HIT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, COMPILING A LIST OF WHAT WE LIKE AND WE KNOW WE DON'T LIKE FROM CERTAIN, UM, RECENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT HELPS.
WE, WE, WE'VE KIND OF BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD ALREADY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DENSITY, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT EXACTLY WHAT THE DENSITY PER AC WAS SIX UNITS PRICE, WAS IT SIX? I MEAN WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY FORGED A PATH YEAH.
IT'S A PERFECT GUIDE AND IT'S, IT'S COMMERCIAL UP FRONT WITH RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK.
IT'S SOME COMMERCIAL I HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE UPPER FLOORS.
I THINK WE PUT FOUR STORIES IS THE LIMIT.
MR. MYERS, DID YOU HAVE NO, I WAS JUST ASKING.
I WAS JUST ASKING WHAT THE UM, WHAT THE STATUS OF MANNEQUIN TOWN WAS.
CAUSE I KNOW WE APPROVED POSSIBLE, SO I I I'M REALLY KIND IN AGREEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD GO MUCH OVER SIX, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS IF THIS WERE FILLED OUT, THIS IS THE 20 YEAR PLAN MM-HMM.
SO IF THIS WERE COMPLETELY BILLED OUT AT THE MAX, THEY COULD COULD DO LET'S SAY EIGHT UNITS PER ACRES IN THIS AREA, SIX IN THAT AREA AND THAT KINDA THING.
WHAT KIND POPULATION ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THAT 10,000? IS THAT 2000? HAS ANYBODY KIND OF DONE THE MATH? SO I DONE THE MODEL OF POPULATION, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHAT THAT PROJECTION TO LOOK LIKE.
I'D JUST BE CURIOUS BECAUSE DO WE WANT THIS AREA TO BE LIKE SUPER GROWTH OR YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S JUST DISCUSSION.
BUT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD GO WITH ENTIRELY WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW PERSONALLY.
AND AND THE DENSITY WILL DICTATE THAT AS, AS YOU MENTIONED BECAUSE THEN IT ALSO HELPS US PLAN FOR FUTURE SERVICE NEEDS, RIGHT.
ESPECIALLY ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE OR UM, EVEN JUST ANTICIPATING UTILITY CAPACITIES EVEN THOUGH THERE'S PLENTY OF CAPACITY.
YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU GET A MAJOR BUSINESS IN AND THEN THAT CAN CHANGE THINGS.
WELL THERE'S PLENTY OF WATER CAPACITY FOR SURE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME IT'S JUST WHAT YOU GUESS.
BUT THAT'S JUST MY, THAT'S MY THING.
AND SOME OF IT MAY BE PLACEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEST THAT WHEN WE LOOK CLOSER TO THE 2 88 LINE OR TOWARDS THE HENRICO COUNTY LINE, IF WE FOCUSED ON ALLOWING A LITTLE MORE DENSITY THERE OR THINGS THAT ABOVE IMMEDIATELY TO THE HIGHWAY.
UM, AND IS THAT ONE AREA IS THE ONLY PLACE AT LEAST PROPOSED AT THIS POINT FOR APARTMENTS? YOU HAD MENTIONED YOU LIKE THAT.
THIS WHERE IS THAT EXACTLY THAT UP? IT'S ON, THAT'S ON THE HENRICO GLAND LINE.
AND SO THAT DOES PROPOSE APARTMENTS SLASH CONDOS COMING WEST.
IT'S, YES, IT'S, IT'S THAT LULL BETWEEN THE, THE WELCOME SIGNS OF HENRICO AND GOK.
SO THAT'S PROPOSING 16 UNITS PER AC AND AND IN THEORY THAT CAN MAKE LOGICAL SENSE BECAUSE YOU'RE LEAVING WITH ALREADY IS A DROP OFF AND IT'S NOT FALLING COMPLETELY OUT OF PLACE.
AND AGAIN, 16 MAY BE TOO HIGH.
DO WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, 10 OR 12 TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT IT DIFFERENTIATES FROM THAT SHORT PUMP AREA.
BUT WE'VE GOT NO ZONING NOW FOR APARTMENTS.
ISN'T THE COMP PLAN AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
I'M SORRY, I I'M JUST GONNA SAY
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DUCK ON IT FOR JUST A SECOND HERE.YOU HAD AT LEAST A HALF A DOZEN DIFFERENT COLORS UP THERE, WILDER, UM, DISTRICTS FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE COLORS.
YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND AND IF SO, ARE YOU REALLY GONNA CREATE A ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE ORANGE GROVE YOU'VE GOT FOR THE APARTMENT? UH, AND SAY WE'VE GOT A ZONING DISTANCE FOR, FOR ORANGES, BUT THE ZONING DISTRICT, THERE'S REALLY THAT ONE PARCEL.
I MEAN WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? I GUESS SO I GUESS I, I AGREE THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY COLORS ON THE MAP FOR THAT MANY ZONING DISTRICT.
THERE IS A WAY TO IDENTIFY A ZONING DISTRICT AND UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.
AND UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD HAPPEN.
IT COULD BE A GEOGRAPHIC, UH, LOCATION.
UH, AC BRIDGE CAN BE SOMETHING THAT REALLY JUST LIMITS THAT, THAT INTENSITY TO THAT AREA.
BUT YES, EVERYTHING IN HERE WILL NOTHING ON HERE MEETS OUR CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCES.
THESE ALL NEW CONSIDERING YES SIR.
THAT'S A GOOD, THERE ARE SOME SIMILARITIES IN TIEBACKS TO THE COMP PLAN.
BUT CONSIDERING THAT THE INTENT WAS TO HOW DO WE HAVE THAT THOUGHTFUL GROWTH IN THE DESIGNATED AREAS OF CENTERVILLE AND COURTHOUSE VILLAGE? THESE ARE THE PROPOSED LAND USES THAT THE CONSULTANTS WORKING WITH COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND STAFF CAME UP WITH AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH ARE THEY HITTING THE MARKS? WHAT DO WE STILL NEED TO MASSAGE? CAN I I'M JUST YES SIR.
SOME FOLKS WILL REMEMBER WHAT WENT THROUGH THE N FOR KINTOWN IN THE ZONING SAYS ANYBODY CAN DO THIS AS LONG AS YOU HAVE MINIMUM 20 ACRES INSIDE A VILLAGE BOUNDARY.
BUT IT WASN'T SPOT ZONE TO SAY ANYBODY THAT OWNS THAT PIECE OF LAND COULD DO THIS.
IT WAS A, A GENERAL ZONING THAT SAYS IF YOU QUALIFY ON THESE CONDITIONS, THEN IT'S THEIR APPROPRIATE LAND USE.
AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
IF WE SHOULD BE DOING LAND USE IS NOT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.
CAN THE STAFF HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHEN PEOPLE SAY WE DON'T, DON'T BRING SHORT PUMP OUT HERE.
WHAT, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? I MEAN, YOU FOCUSED ON DENSITY, YOU SAID NO MORE THAN SIX.
I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPER COMMUNITY WOULD SAY, WELL WE CAN'T BRING, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE LIMIT, WE CAN'T BRING THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANT.
WE WANNA GROW WITH THAT DENSITY.
DO, DO WE WANT TO LIMIT POPULATION? DO WE WANT TO LIMIT DENSITY? I TEND TO THINK WHEN PEOPLE SAY NO SHORT PUMP, CUZ YOU HAVE THE SAME SIGNS ON THE CAPITAL TRAIL OVER IN THE WESTERN PART OF ENGO.
I THINK THAT MEANS TRAFFIC, RIGHT? WELL TRAFFIC TRAFFIC COMES WITH THIS.
SO IN THE BIG BOX STORES CHAIN.
SO, SO I MEAN CUZ THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PEOPLE THAT SAY WE DON'T WANT ANY GROWTH HERE.
AND I THINK YOU'LL START TO ACHIEVE THAT.
IF YOU SAY SIX UNITS PER ACRE, YOU MIGHT ACCOMPLISH THAT.
YOU CAN GET, I THINK STAFF IS TRYING TO MOVE US IN A DIRECTION WHERE OKAY, THERE'S INCENTIVE WHERE WE CAN GET SOME AMENITIES.
THAT'S WHY I WAS CURIOUS, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE RANGE OF, OF, OF AMENITIES THAT WE ARE ARE OR THE, WHAT ARE THE RANGE OF THINGS THAT CAN, CAN BE BENEFITING US? UM, WELL I GUESS IN A WAY, I MEAN WHAT'S GONNA KEEP US FROM BEING SHORT PUMPED? CLEARLY THE DENSITY ITSELF, I MEAN THERE'S MUCH HIGHER DENSITY EVEN THOUGH WE'RE PROPOSING ON THIS SIDE OF, UM, THE THE COUNTY LINE.
THERE'S HIGHER DENSITY IN CURRENT SHORT PUMP THAN ANYTHING MUCH HIGHER.
ANYTHING YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE? YES.
THEY'RE, THEY HAVE, UM, IT'S OVER 20 UNITS AN ACRE OVER 20 UP TO AS MANY AS FOUR UNITS FOR UM, WEST GUARD VILLAGE.
CAN I ASK WHAT'S GREEN? GREEN GATE? I JUST GOT THE INFORMATION FROM DO YOU, DO YOU, OH, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE REAL NUMBERS ARE.
UM, SO WHAT COULD DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THAT BE? YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY'RE VERTICAL.
UM, I DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
UM, AND SO YOU, YOU HIT RIGHT ON HIT RIGHT ON THE NOTES RIGHT THERE.
CAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE SHEAR DENSITY, RIGHT? WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO SHORT PUMP, YOU GET PAST THE MALL, YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'VE GOT BIG BOXES UP FRONT WITH, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL BEHIND THE DISTINCTION FOR TYING INTO LIKE WHAT DO YOU SEE WHEN YOU WALK IN WHEN, WHEN YOU COME IN THE, THE, THE GREEN, THE OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S SUCH TWO THINGS.
WHY THERE'S EMPHASIS ON THE OPEN SPACE, CLEARLY IS BECAUSE THE APPEARANCE, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A RURAL COMMUNITY.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER SEE IT IN, IN WAYS THAT UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THE MASSIVE CHANGE.
LIKE WHEN THEY DRIVE HOME, THEY WANNA STILL SEE IT BRINGING, SO THAT'S PART OF IT IS THE APPEARANCE.
PLUS THERE ARE A LACK OF AMENITIES,
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UM, IN THIS AREA.THERE'S THINGS TO DO BUT YOU ALL HAVE TO GET PAID FOR 'EM.
BUT YOU LIKE TO GO DRIVE TO A DRIVING RANGE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT TO GET THOSE OTHER AMENITIES AREAS WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND CONGREGATE, LIBRARY LIBRARIES, YOU KNOW, HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE BEERS AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OUR IDEAS OUT THERE THAT IT'S BEEN PLACES WHERE THE SHOREFRONT, THEY'LL HOLD A BUILDING.
AND THAT COULD BE LIKE FOR, FOR COUNTY LEADERS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIKE BUILDING CLASSES THERE OR FOCUS ON WALKABILITY.
CUZ I THINK TIES WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SEE BUILDINGS AND ALL THEY WANNA SEE.
SO IS THERE SOME WALKABILITY COMPONENTS TO THIS? YES.
AND, AND UH, AND AND AGAIN, I'M SORRY WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE LAND USE AND THIS REALLY IS A GOOD QUESTION.
WHERE IT GOES WELL BEYOND THAT, PARTICULARLY IN THE CORE AREA, UM, THAT AREA THAT'S HASHED, THE, THE STREETS AND THE, THE STREETSCAPES AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE AND HOW YOU WALK AND IT, IT'S ALL KIND OF TIED INTO THAT.
AND A LOT OF THAT, ONCE WE AGREE ON THE ZONING AND PROPOSED LAND USES, WE'LL GET FLESHED OUT WITH DESIGN GUIDELINES.
WHEN WE SAY SPECIFIC LOOK AND FEEL, HOW MUCH GREEN YOU IN? WHAT'S THE LOOK AND FEEL OF INFILL BUILDINGS TO COME IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA FOR INSTANCE, LIKE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A VERY UNIQUE LOOK AND FEEL FOR CENTERVILLE.
THE DENSITY WILL DRIVE SOME OF THAT TOO WITHIN THE AMOUNT OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES YOU CAN PUT ON A BUILDING.
SO THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THAT WILL COME INTO PLACE.
UM, THE CONNECTIVITY, THE WALKABILITY, THE REQUIREMENT OF SIDEWALKS OR OPEN OUTDOOR AMENITIES.
I THINK ONE WAY I'VE HEARD THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, JOHN AND I I'VE KIND OF HEARD AND SORT OF I THINK I GRAVITATE TOWARDS OF LIKE WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
IT'S, IT'S, PEOPLE DON'T WANNA LIVE IN THE SUBURBS.
THEY'RE OKAY LIVING IN A SMALL TOWN AND THAT FEEL OF THAT SMALL TOWN COMMUNITY VERSUS EVERY HOUSE LOOKS THE SAME, THREE FIVE STORES AND BEING ABLE TO REALLY KNOW, OKAY, I JUST CAME OUT OF THE SUBURBS TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I'M HOW SOME FOLKS ON OUR PLANE POST, CAN I GET, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP? I JUST, JIMMY DO YOU MIND GOING UP THERE AND DELINEATING WHERE MANNEQUIN ROAD IS? UH, SURE.
THAT'S, WE ARE NOT GOING DEEP INTO ULAM COUNTY.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS OFF OF BROAD STREET VERY MUCH.
IF WE WANT TO HAD ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THIS IS A SPOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE IN THIS COUNTY.
SO I, I JUST, WE, I THINK PEOPLE SEE A BIG AREA AND THEY SEE A LOT OF COLORS AND THEY GO, OH GOSH, THAT'S THE WHOLE COUNTY.
THIS IS SUCH A HALF SQUARE MILE SMALL CORRIDOR OF THE COUNTY AND I, I CAN'T SIT HERE AND CRYSTAL CAN, YEAH, IT'S FIVE SQUARE MILES IS REALLY A HALF SQUARE.
THIS IS TWO AND A HALF, NO, 4.9 MILES AND A FIVE HALF MILE CORE.
WHAT'S THE NINE MILES? IS THAT, THAT'S THE WHOLE ENTIRE AREA SQUARE.
AND THAT CORE WITH THE DASH LINES IS A HALF SQUARE MILE.
SO WHERE YOU SEE THE RED AND THEN THE DOTTED BLACK LINE AROUND IT, THAT'S A HALF SQUARE MILE.
AND, AND MS I'M GONNA QUOTE YES A MEETING WITH YOU.
I HAVE TOLD PEOPLE WHO ARE OPEN TO DEVELOPMENT, YOU STAY IN THE RIGHT CORRIDOR, YOU STAY IN, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN SECTIONS AND YOU, AND COME WITH IDEAS ON HOW YOU ARE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, HOW YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING OUT FOR TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
DON'T, DON'T JUST SAY, HERE'S MY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THAT'S IT.
LIKE I JUST, I THINK WE'VE GOT A COURT, WE'VE GOT TWO PLANS, WE'VE GOT CORRIDORS, WE'VE GOT IDEAS, LET'S DO IT.
LIKE LET'S FIND WAYS TO WORK TOGETHER VERSUS, YOU KNOW, OH YEAH, WE WANT TO BUILD RIGHT UP TO BROAD STREET.
WE WANT TO BUILD SIX STORIES HIGH, WE WANT TO DO THIS AND THAT.
NO, LIKE THE, THE, THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS INTENDED TO GIVE THE MULTI COMMUNITY A GUIDELINE BY WHICH TO GROW IN THE FUTURE.
SO DON'T THIS BACK, THIS OPPOSITION LIKE WE'RE IN A BATTLE AT ALL TIMES IS STUPID.
IT'S A WASTE OF RESOURCES IS A WASTE OF TIME.
LET'S GET LIKE, LET'S FIND A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND LET'S GET THIS DONE.
SO IF, IF, IF THIS IS EVER GONNA HAPPEN, IT JUST, IT
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DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO GO, OH NO, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SO MY, I GO BACK TO MY FIRST POINT.THIS ENDS AT MANNEQUIN ROAD EFFECTIVELY.
I, I YES, I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT IS NOT MUCH FURTHER.
AND IT, AND WE CAN FIND WAYS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN THAT FIT WITHIN WHAT WORKS WITH
I JUST, THAT'S JUST MY BELIEFS AND, AND I WANTED TO PUT THAT OFF.
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS SECTION OF
FOR THE COUNTY WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE BIGGER THAN THAT.
SO I THINK WE AGREE THAT THIS IS WHERE IT'S HAPPENING.
NOT THERE TODAY, THE MOBILE STATION OR EXCELLENT STATIONS BEING TORN DOWN.
WHAT'S GOING IN THERE EXCEPT THAT POINT, I THINK WE LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PLANS AND WE GO, THIS HAS TO BE 85, 15.
I'M JUST THINKING OF THE MESSAGING.
NO, OUR COUNTY IS 85 15 MM-HMM.
LIKE THIS IS DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT.
THIS IS WHERE WE WANT IT NOT IN THE 85%.
WE WANT TO BE AGRICULTURAL AND RURAL AND PRESERVE OUR HERITAGE.
LIKE, LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS I THINK SO MANY PEOPLE WILL HEAR 85, 15 AND THEY GO, NO, NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
IT'S NOT HAPPENING IT RIGHT HERE.
AND I GO, NO, THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE WE WANT OUR COUNTY'S GROWTH.
AND JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND, FIVE 50 PASSED AROUND A LOT.
UH, WHAT WE CAME UP WITH IS JUST KIND A PERFORMING SURGERY CHAINSAW POINT.
BUT IF YOU'RE, BUT IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT COUNTY'S ALMOST 300 SQUARE MILES.
THIS IS FIVE, ROUGHLY 2% DO ANOTHER TWO OF THE COURTHOUSE.
THERE'S FOUR OR 5%, ANOTHER 10% THAT'S WEST CREEK FULLY DEVELOPED.
IF YOU FULLY DEVELOPED THIS VILLAGE IS THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AND ALL WEST CREEK YOU START TO APPROACH THE 12, 13, 14%.
THAT'S IF IT'S FULLY DEVELOPED 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE 85 15 CAN, IF YOU JUST PUT CONCENTRATE DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE FEW AREAS, THE PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT WEST CREEK, A COUPLE OF VILLAGES AND FULLY BUILD IT OUT, YOU'RE STILL AT 85, 15.
I'M ALREADY ACCUSED OF, UH, SPEAKING BAD ABOUT OUR
SO, UM, SO I'LL SAY I I THINK 85 15 IS A PERFECT, LIKE I I AM NOT CRITICIZING 85 15 WHATSOEVER.
BUT I, BUT I I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD
CAUSE I, BUT MR. PETERSON, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MESSAGE THAT MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON BETTER INCORPORATING IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK OUT 10, 15, 20 YEARS AND THERE'S A FULL BUILDOUT WITH THE COURTHOUSE AREA WITHIN INFILL CENTERVILLE, SEEING THE GROWTH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SAID THAT THIS IS A GROWTH AREA, YOU'RE STILL BELOW OR JUST AT THAT 15%, UM, SPEED AND SPEED.
SPEED, SPEED COMING AND SPEED COMING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THAT THRESHOLD AND THAT'S LOOKING OUT FAR INTO THE FUTURE BECAUSE I THINK IF WE GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION AND WE WENT THROUGH, UM, GLAND'S POPULATION INCREASE IT, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE, BUT IT WASN'T ANYTHING THAT WOULD DRIVE PAST THAT 15% IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
IF WE HAVE APPROPRIATE ZONING AND OTHER THINGS, LAND USE GUIDELINES THAT THEN DESIGNATE CONTROLLED GROWTH.
WE, WE DIDN'T ESTABLISH THAT 85 15 IS THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND WE'RE GONNA DIG OUR DEALS AND WE'RE NOT GROW ANYMORE.
WE KNOWS COMING, COMING, WE KNOW BUSINESSES ARE COMING LINES.
IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, PLAY.
AND THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO TRACK FOLKS.
AND SO ALL YOU CAN THEN DO IS GROW GRACEFULLY AND ACC THAT GROWTH AND DIRECT IT AND STEER IT TOWARD WHERE IT BELONGS CAUTIOUSLY.
AND AND PROCEED CAUTIOUSLY AND DO IT DELIBERATELY.
AND IF YOU THEN 20 YEARS FROM NOW FULLY DEVELOP ALL OF THOSE PLANS, YOU'RE STILL 85, 15, YOU, YOU'VE ACCOMMODATED THE GROWTH YOU DIRECTED FOR, IT BELONGS AND YOU STILL HAVE TRAFFIC PATTERNS IN THE SCHOOLS, EVERYTHING SUPPORTED SUPPORT.
SO IT'S ALL CONNECTED AND UH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY ABOUT THOSE PLANS.
UH, CAN WE, CAN YOU TELL ME AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE WHERE, UH, UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE HERE.
CLERKS SEWER THINK STOPS AT MANNEQUIN, RIGHT? YES MA'AM.
UH, IS IT, IS IT AVAILABLE IN THAT ENTIRE, IS THAT ALL TACO CREEK?
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WHAT PART OF THE, I GUESS WHAT PART OF THAT IS TACO CREEK? I GUESS THE QUESTION THE ENTIRE COUNTY IS WITHIN, WITHIN THE DISTRICT.SO EVERYTHING IN HERE IS IN THE DISTRICT WITH THE BOUNDARIES, NOT IN THE DISTRICT, WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES.
THE CENTER, THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE THANK YOU IS WITHIN THE SERVICE DISTRICT.
AND THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE IS SERVED BY D C BUT WE DON'T HAVE UTILITIES RUN PAST MANNEQUIN ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT GRAY AREA? NO.
UM, NOT EVEN REALLY I GUESS IN RIGHT IN THE CENTER THERE.
UM, WHERE'S THAT, WHAT ROAD IS THAT THAT THE VET IS ON AND THAT THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE PLAZA DRIVE.
THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE, SO I GUESS THIS IS ALL PART OF PREDICATED ON GETTING THE WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES TO THESE LOCATIONS TO SUPPORT THE HIGHWAY.
BUT ALL, ALL OF THAT WITH WHERE THERE IS NOT EXISTING UTILITY MAINS RIGHT.
IS WITHIN THE SERVICE DISTRICT.
SO A POTENTIAL PROSPECT OR DEVELOPER COULD THEN THEORY EXTEND AND THEN COME INTO THE SERVICE DISTRICT SAME AS ANYONE ELSE WOULD.
AND TO GET YOU A DEFINIT DEFINITIVE ANSWER WHERE ANY OF THE LINES ARE, I CHECK THE, OUR UTILITIES, AS LONG AS WE KNOW THAT EVERYBODY IS ELIGIBLE TO COME INTO TACO CREEK, THEN REST IS JUST, YOU KNOW, MONEY AND, AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME PROCESSES THAT ANYONE ELSE, SINGLE FAMILY, HOME RESIDENT, WE BUSINESS.
I DID NOT REALIZE BEYOND MANNEQUIN WEST OF MANNEQUIN WAS IN THE DISTRICT.
I THOUGHT HE DID STOP DEFINITIVELY AT MANNEQUIN.
SO THIS IS WHY I I AM NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
SO I'M GONNA CALL MR. PETERSON.
UM, THERE'S TWO OR THREE THINGS WE'RE CONFLATING HERE.
WHAT IS THE EXTREME BOUNDARY? WHAT IS THE PROPERTIES INSIDE THAT BOUNDARY THAT ARE ACTUALLY CHOSEN TO JOIN THE DISTRICT? SO YOU HAVE CHECKER BOARD, EXTERIOR BOUNDARY, YOU HAVE, WE'RE, WE'RE OUT.
AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION BEFORE YOU WERE GOING IS WHERE ARE THE LINES BUILT OUT? WHAT, SO YOU'VE GOT THOSE THREE KINDA OVERLAYS AND WEST THE MANNEQUIN INSIDE THE BOUNDARY IN THE DISTRICT OR NOT? DEPENDS ON WHETHER THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY ORDERS ELECTED TO COME IN OR NOT.
AND THEN IS IT BUILT OUT OR NOT? IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY'RE DEVELOPING EDGES.
MR. SIR, WHEN WE, UM, WHEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR PLANS, I THINK SOMEBODY TOUCHED ON IT BRIEFLY, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC AND PROPOSED FUTURE ROADS I THINK IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO SHOW.
SO WE, WE'VE GOT THE, THE ROCKET REALIGNMENT, WE'VE GOT THE UP UPGRADES TO ASHLAND ROAD.
UM, I, I THINK AS WE, AS WE PROGRESS FORWARD TO GET TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS COMING UP FOR VOTE, BEING ABLE TO SHOW, CAUSE WE, WE TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT, WELL WE HAVE TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE THERE BEFORE WE BRING THE PEOPLE.
AND WE KNOW THAT THAT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO, BUT JUST SORT OF, WE'VE GOT THE ROAD PLANS AND THE ARTERIES.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE YES, HERE'S HOW WE SEE THIS BUILDING OUT BUILT AT THIS TIME.
IT'S, YEAH, THIS JESS AN EXCELLENT POINT.
UM, THIS IS REALLY JUST LAND USE, BUT IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THAT, WHAT ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE? NOW ON OUR MASSIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WE'VE GOT DOTTED ROADS THAT SHOW KIND OF BYWAYS TO KEEP TRAFFIC OFF OF BROAD STREET, RIGHT PARALLEL ROAD IF YOU WANT TO VISIT THREE OR FOUR RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL SHOPS AND YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE TO KEEP GOING UP, GOING BACK AND JUST OUT PARALLEL ROADS AND YOU STARTED SOME OF THAT BEHIND THE TACO BELL AND MCDONALD'S AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THIS DOESN'T HAVE THOSE DOTED ROADS LIKE THAT GREEN IN THE GRAY AREA.
THAT GREEN ROAD THAT, YOU KNOW, BORING UNDER 2 88, OPENING UP ALL OF THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE DOTTED ROADS ARE OUT HERE EITHER.
BUT THAT WOULD, IT'S, IT'S MR. VADER'S POINT.
THAT'S WHEN THE DEVELOPER'S LOOKING, OH, THEY'RE GONNA WANT ME TO PUT A ROAD HERE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S WHY THE DOTTED LINE SHOULD BE ON THERE.
IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDING OF THE BUILDING, IT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER, SEWER, ROADS.
AND TO THAT POINT, WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT IN OUR MESSAGING TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, ARE, UH, GIVING ANY SORT OF APPROVAL.
AND I JUST, I JUST, I'VE BEEN VERY DIRECT AND VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD SAYING, DON'T EVEN COME UNLESS YOU HAVE A PLAN.
LIKE FORGET ABOUT JUST SAYING THIS IS, SORRY, A SOLUTION.
MAYBE IT'S A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT.
DON'T JUST SAY THIS IS MY PLAN.
SAY THIS IS YOUR WORRIES, THIS IS YOUR, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS.
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HERE IS MY SOLUTION AND THEN WE'LL BE CONSIDERATE.AND SO YOU, YOU ARE HITTING ON, ON THE HEAD.
I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD MESSAGING FROM OUR ENTIRE BOARD.
IF, IF PEOPLE ARE, EVERYBODY OUGHT TO KNOW THIS WILL BE IN THE COMP PLAN AND IF THERE'S DOTTED ROADS ON HERE, ACCOMMODATE THIS KIND OF GROWTH.
IF THEY BRING IN A PROPOSAL, IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT DOTTED ROAD ON IT.
IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPLAIN.
UM, IT MAKES IT NFL BATTLE UTILITIES.
WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY PUT THEM, WE ALREADY PUT DEVELOPERS THROUGH ENOUGH COMPLI AND, AND I SAY IN THE MOST POSITIVE WAY POSSIBLE, I WANTED TO GET TO US AND US TO BE VERY POSITIVE IF THEY MET THOSE REQUESTS.
SO THAT'S ALL I ARE WE GETTING WERE YOU YES.
I I DO THINK IT'S PROBABLY WORTH GOING BACK AND OFFICER, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSING COURTHOUSE TO SOME DEGREE.
CAN WE ONE MORE QUESTION? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
SOME OF YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN INQUIRY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DARK ORANGE JUST SOUTH YEAH, THE DARK ORANGE.
I SEE SOME OF THE DARK ORANGE INSIDE THE DOTTED LINE AND SOME OF THE DARK ORANGE OUTSIDE THE DOTTED LINE.
BIG SHOES CUT DARK ORANGE THERE FOR THE DOTTED LINE.
WELL, UM, IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE TRICK WESTERN.
IT'S UM, SOME OF THE LAND OWNERS RIGHT, CERTAINLY.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD FROM, WE'VE HEARD FROM MANY, MANY.
CAN YOU TOUCH ON THAT? UM, WELL AGAIN, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE CONSULTANT HAD PUT TOGETHER.
SO THIS WASN'T THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY STAFF, BUT I THINK WHAT THE, THE INTENT WAS THAT THIS ORANGE PORTION THAT'S WITHIN, UH, THE DOTTED LINE DOES ALLOW FOR SOME, UH, COMMERCIAL.
SO THIS IS WHERE THAT INTENSITY AGAIN, THAT MOVING TOWARDS THAT CORE, UM, I, WE ALSO HEARD A LOT OF LIKE, HOW ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A VILLAGE WITH, YOU KNOW, BROAD STREET ROAD RUNNING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT? SO I, I THINK THAT THEY TOOK THAT AND RAN WITH IT MM-HMM.
BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE THAT AS YOU GET CLOSER TO BROAD STREET.
ONE REASON FOR INCLUDING IT IS EASY TO SEE IS BECAUSE THERE IS A COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENT AS AN ELEMENT TO THE CENTERVILLE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED MIX USE.
SO THERE'S THE COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENT WITH THE LIMITATIONS FOR THE UP TO 12 UNITS AN ACRE WITH OPEN SPACE.
SO AS YOU'RE A BUDDING BROAD STREET, THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD SEE IT, WHERE THERE COULD BE THE COMMERCIAL PIECE, NOT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE COMMERCIAL, THE PULL FLASHLIGHT UP ALL THE WAY BACK HERE THAT YOU WOULD WANT YOUR COMMERCIAL.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA FEEL TOO CONSTRAINED BY THINGS WE WERE DOING TO OURSELVES HERE IN TERMS OF DEFINITIONS OF COMMERCIALS.
I'M GONNA JUST GO BACK THEN IN MY MIND LEVEL.
SO YOU COME UP, YOU COME UP POCKET AND NOW YOU SEE WHERE THE REALIGNMENT IS FOR HOCKEY.
THERE'S A REALIGN GOING TO YOUR LINE FROM WHERE YOU JUST POINTED.
SO THIS IS ASHLEY THERE YOU CORRECT? SORRY.
SO IF YOU STAY WHERE THE LINE REALIGN COMES UP TOWARDS BROAD, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AN EAST, WEST WHITE LINE PARALLEL STREET THERE.
WHICH LOOKS A LITTLE LIKE THE EAST WEST WHITE LINE OFF OF BROAD TO THE NORTH OF THAT.
SO YOU CAN CREATING THOSE BIO WAYS I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SO ON THAT ONE, SOUTH ABROAD, IF YOU HAVE THAT BYWAY TRAVELING EAST TO WEST, NOW YOU'RE RUNNING DOWN THAT DOTTED LINE AND YOU'VE GOT NORTH OF THAT'S IN AND SOUTH OF THAT'S AVENUE AND YOU, YOU'RE GOING DOWN THAT BY LINE.
SO, SO WHY ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD? YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING ANYWAY, I, I'LL I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE.
THE THOUGHT I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, ADVANCE HERE WOULD BE TO CREATE THOSE, GET OFF BROAD STREET IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE SEVERAL STOPS BOTH ON THE DOOR SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND THEN AS YOU GET OFF BROAD STREET, MAKE MULTIPLE STOPS, PROBABLY BOTH SIDES OF THOSE STREETS SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO YOU TO, TO DO YOUR ERRANDS AND WHATNOT, DRIVE CLEAN A SLICE OF PIZZA AND WHATEVER IT IS AND, AND STAY OFFROAD AND DO ALL THAT, UH, REPETITIVE SHOPPING.
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SO AGAIN, ON SOUTH SIDE, MY QUESTION IS TO GIVE WHY WE'RE DOING ONE SIDE OF THAT FIRE BY ROAD'S.LET, I THINK THIS MIGHT SAY THAT AGAIN.
YOU'RE SAYING WHY, WHY, WHY DO THAT OR WHY, WHY DO THAT OR WHY NOT DO THAT? OR ARE YOU SAYING HE'S SAYING WHY IS HALF WRITTEN? OH MAN, I'M SAYING WHY IS THAT WHOLE PIECE WANTED? I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE, I'LL TALK TO YOU LATER
HE WAS TOO BUSY PLAYING WITH THE FLASH.
ALL RIGHT, WELL I'LL, I WILL TALK TO YOU LATER.
YOU GOT THE GONE OFF LOOKING NEW, UH, CALL WASH THERE WITH A ALMOST WASH AND YOU, THAT ALL BEING DEVELOPED GOT ALL RANGE.
YOU GOT THE AUDI ALL THE WAY UP TO 2 88.
DEFINITELY GONNA BE COMMERCIAL.
BOTH SIDES OF THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
WE'VE GOT A COUPLE SPACES AT NIGHT, YOU GOT THE SWAMP AND THERE'S ONLY A FEW LARGE TRACKS LAND ON THERE ARE AVAILABLE FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN COMMERCIAL.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA, WE COULD STIPULATE THAT WE WANT THAT STRETCH ALONG THERE TO EITHER THE COMMERCIAL STRETCH.
CAUSE IT CERTAINLY IS ONCE YOU GET UP ACROSS THE FOOD LINE AND YOU GOT THE AUDIT, YOU GOT THE MCDONALD'S, YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS, THE COMMERCIAL STUFF.
CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT, YOU KNOW THAT HORSE IS OVER THE BARN.
SO THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN PEOPLE TO PROCEED THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IT IS TO CONTROL CONTROLLER ALONG BROAD, BUT THEN GO INTO TO WALK OF, UH, LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE DENSITIES AND SO FORTH.
WE GOT BRADSHAW, THERE'S ANOTHER BUILDING.
UM, THERE'S ONLY A FEW TRACKS OF LAND THERE.
AND I, ON THE OTHER SIDE, I LIKE IT TOWARDS THE, UH, UM, THE, UH, PICKLE PLACE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALREADY COMMERCIALIZED.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO WALK.
YOU DRIVE IN AND IT'S JUST, UH, SPREAD LIMITED ALONG BOTH SIDES OF BROAD AS FAR AS THE WALKING AREA.
SEE LIKE MOST OF THE DENSITY FOR RESIDE RESIDENTIAL PROBABLY BE OFF A HALF A MILE OR WHATEVER.
WHATEVER WORKS SAFE TO BE TO, TO LINE UP WITH THOSE, THOSE ROADS THERE.
BUT I DON'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY COMING IN AND PUTTING UP 50 HOUSES ON BROAD SPRING PLAY WHERE DOWN THAT MOTEL.
SO MUCH OF IT IS, UH, IN THE SWAMP OVER SIDE.
YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION CAME UP, ARE WE TRYING TO LIMITATION DENSITY? YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF IF THE BOUNDARIES OF HOW THE VILLAGE DOESN'T CHANGE, HOW, HOW MUCH SPACE IS EVERYONE ENTITLED TO? I MEAN, HOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN YOU PACK INTO THE SAME SPACE AND STILL HAVE A CERTAIN QUALITY OF LIFE? AND I THINK THIS VILLAGE TO OF FAIRLY A NICE PLACE TO LIVE.
GILLS COMPLETED THE PILL PLAN, YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE.
CAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO MOVE THERE, THEY HAVE KIDS OR, UM, OR WILL HAVE KIDS.
AND EVENTUALLY THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE RIGHT THERE LIVING IN THE CHAIR IN THAT SAME SPACE.
SO I THINK IF YOU WANNA KEEP THE QUALITY OF LIFE, YOU BETTER THINK ABOUT LIMITING THE MYERS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON SENATOR JOHN? I, IT'S, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S MY DISTRICT IS WE'VE GOT TO THINK, I'VE GOTTEN TOO MANY REQUESTS FOR, OH, LET'S RECESS RESIDENTIAL
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A AND OH COMMERCIAL WILL COME TO THE, IF DEVELOPERS COME TO THE TABLE WITH IDEAS THAT ARE COMPREHENSIVE AND WELL THOUGHT OUT, THAT'S GONNA CARRY A LOT OF WEIGHT.AND I, I'M JUST, I'M BEATING A DEAD HORSE, BUT I'M SO TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, WE CAN'T POSSIBLY GO ON BROAD STREET.
GOOD GOD, PEOPLE HAVE BUILT ON BROAD STREET FOR 20 MILES LEADING UP TO MANNEQUIN ROAD.
DON'T, DON'T INSULT INTELLIGENCE.
LIKE IT, IT, IT'S THERE, IT'S HAPPENING.
COMMERCIAL CAN OCCUR ON BROAD STREET AND DON'T JUST TRY AND SAY IT'S GOTTA BE RECESSED AND WE GOTTA BUILD ALL THIS RESIDENTIAL BEFORE WE DO IT.
IT, IT IS, I'M TWO AND A HALF MONTHS IN AND I'M TIRED OF HEARING THE SAME MESSAGE, WHICH IS, OH, JUST LET US BUILD THE RESIDENTIAL FIRST RECESSED BY 500 METERS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND, AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL WILL COME.
NO, IT'S, AND THEN THAT'S FOCUS, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST A COP OUT.
AND I'M SORRY, BUT I, I WANT THIS, I REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE CENTERVILLE PLANE, BUT I DON'T, I'M, I'M TIRED OF HOGWASH AND PEOPLE TELLING ME STUFF THAT I KNOW IS NOT TRUE.
SO JUST COME TO THE TABLE WITH THOUGHTFUL PLANS AND THOUGHTFUL, YOU KNOW, IDEAS.
AND I, AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF RECEPTIVITY.
DON'T JUST SAY, THIS IS THE PLAN WE HAVE CUZ THIS IS OUR IRR AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO.
CUZ YOU, YOU'VE GOT 20% OF THE VOTE WILL BE IMMEDIATELY NO, DON'T DO IT WITHOUT FOLLOW THIS.
MR. SORRY, MAY, MAY I JUST, THIS MIGHT BE A SEGUE TO MOVE TO THE COURTHOUSE, BUT I THINK LOOKING AT THIS MAP, ABOUT A FOURTH OF IT OR MAYBE A FOURTH OR SO, A FIFTH IS THE GRAY AREA, WHICH IS YOU CALLED THAT, UH, CENTERVILLE PRIME BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS COMES TO ECONOMIC, I KNOW WE HAVE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HERE, AND I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, I MEAN I KNOW YOU'VE HAD, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR MONTHS AND YOU ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS AT THE TABLE.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE ASKING OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO BE LOOKING FOR, FOR THAT AREA? I MEAN, DO WE, IS THAT PART OF OUR PLAN? I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THIS WITH PROJECT ROCKY WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, WE TARGET THAT AREA AS A DISTRIBUTION CENTER.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS AND THEN IT COMES OUT AND PEOPLE ARE, PEOPLE COME OUT COMMUNITIES LIKE WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU THINKING AND WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? SO I THINK OUR PLAN SHOULD BE VERY EXPLICIT AND CLEAR TO THE COMMUNITY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IN THAT CRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA.
UM, AND SO IS THAT PART OF THE MIX TARGET INDUSTRIES? YEAH, DEFINITELY.
SARAH WORLEY HAS BEEN PART OF OUR CONVERSATIONS AND I KIND OF TOUCHED OVER IT A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, DELANEY'S DESIGNATION ITSELF DOESN'T CHANGE THE, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND YOU KNOW, THAT WHICH IS GONNA BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT MIGHT BE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE SPELLED OUT BETTER IN THE PLAN.
AND JUST, SARAH, I DON'T WANT TO TALK FOR YOU, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A QUARRY, UM, MORE THE 64 DOWN HERE FOR CLEANER, SOMETHING THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
A CLEAN INDUSTRY TO ATTRACT ANOTHER CLEAN INDUSTRY TO THEM ALSO BE ABLE TO, TO LIVE CLOSE TO RESIDENCES AND YOU KNOW, SO YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT INDUSTRY TYPES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND ALSO WHAT YOU, YOU SEE IS OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE YOU THINK ARE, ARE LOOKING FOR SPACE THAT MIGHT BE CANDIDATES WITH US.
SARAH, DID YOU MIND ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? CAN YOU GIVE US LIKE, SOME EXAMPLES? YEAH, SURE.
UM, I'LL COME UP HERE SO I CAN BE ON THE VIDEO FOR FOLKS WATCHING AT HOME.
I'M SARAH WORLEY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
I, UM, NOT TECHNICALLY PREPARED TO HAVE COMMENTS TODAY, BUT, UM, YEAH, WE, UM, WE DID SPEAK WITH THE CONSULTANTS A LOT ABOUT WHAT OUR TARGET INDUSTRIES ARE.
SO WHAT WE CONSIDER FOR THIS AREA ARE SOME OF THE SAME USES THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER IN WEST CREEK.
SO, UM, HEADQUARTER OPERATIONS RESEARCH, UM, ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, SOME DISTRIBUTION, BECAUSE WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO 64 HERE, BUT IT WOULD BE, UM, NOT HEAVY DISTRIBUTION.
UM, SO SOME OF THE USES THAT WOULD PROVIDE HIGH CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND HIGH JOB GROWTH.
UM, BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ALL ABOUT HAVING AVAILABLE LAND.
UM, IT'S ALSO ABOUT HAVING A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES AND HAVING, UM, PLACES FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES TO LIVE.
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UM, A LOT OF THE PROJECTS AND PROSPECTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF QUESTIONS THEY ARE ASKING.SO BY YOU LOOKING AT CENTERVILLE AS A WHOLE, I THINK YOU ARE GAINING ONE STEP FORWARD AND HELPING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY AS A WHOLE.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT IN PARTICULAR? THANK ALL, THANK YOU.
AND YOU WANNA PUT UP THE COURTHOUSE? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE, I'M VERY, THEY'RE SAYING THAT WE WANT TO LIMIT UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, IT'S LIKE WE'RE JUST SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT YOU TO DEVELOP, BUT YOU CAN'T DEVELOP WHAT YOU NEED TO DEVELOP HERE TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
UM, YOUR, YOUR, IT SEEMS TO ME THE DEVELOPER SHOULD BE THE PERSON THAT DECIDES WHAT HE CAN SELL OR WHAT HE CAN MARKET IN, IN SAID AREA, AND WHETHER IT'S EIGHT UNITS PER PER ACRE, 12.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER BACK UNIT.
THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA COME IN WITH 15 AND THEN THEN COMPROMISE TO 12 OR WHATEVER.
UH, BUT THE DEVELOPER IS TO, AND THE, AND THE LANDOWNER ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT IS MARKETABLE AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE CONSIDERATE OF THEIR LAND OWNERS THAT JOIN THEM.
YOU KNOW, AND LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, ARE WE LIMITING THE LANDOWNER'S POTENTIAL TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR PROPERTY AND THE DEVELOPER'S POTENTIAL TO DO THEIR JOB? IS IT JUST TO BE LIMITING IT OR IS IT, DOES IT MAKE SENSE? I THINK THAT, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THAT A LOT OF TIMES, WELL SAY SOME OF THE TIMES THE LANDOWNER'S THINKING AS FAR FORWARD AS THE SIGNING OF THE CONTRACT AND WE'RE THINKING 30, 40, 50 YEARS AHEAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, I THINK WHAT WE, WE REALLY WANT TO TRY TO AVOID IS WE, WE'VE SEEN WHERE WE'VE PUT RESIDENTIAL, WHERE WE'VE TARGETED COMMERCIAL AND IT'S COME BACK TO BITE US NOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO AN AGREEMENT ON OF OKAY, WHAT SHOULD THIS LOOK LIKE? AND THEN WHILE WE, WELL, YES, THE BUSINESS ARE GONNA COME AND IF MARKET COMP COMPLETELY, I MEAN THE MARKET, JUST IN THE THREE YEARS I WENT ON THE BOARD WENT FROM WE NEED APARTMENTS, WE NEED APARTMENTS, WE NEED APARTMENTS.
OH, NOW WE NOW HOUSES, NOW NEED HOUSES.
NOW WE'RE BACK TO APARTMENTS AGAIN.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING SO QUICKLY.
WE'RE, THERE'S GOING TO BE ALL THESE ARE JUST PLANS.
WE'RE GOING TO BE REACTING TO THE MARKET, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE, THE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO SAY HERE, HERE'S HOW WE SEE THIS DEVELOPING OUT.
UM, AND HELPING FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
NOW OBVIOUSLY THESE AREN'T SET IN STONE AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PLANNING COMMISSIONS THAT PEOPLE COME BE AND SAY, HEY, WELL WE WANNA DO THIS.
SO, UH, BUT I THINK HAVING THE GUIDELINES TO START WITH AS CLOSE TO WHERE WE, OUR, OUR IDEAL AND KNOWING THAT YOU NEVER GONNA GET THE IDEAL, BUT AT LEAST GOOD STARTING POINT.
I THINK YOU ARE PUTTING SOME THINGS IN STONE IF YOU SAY, THIS IS OWNING AREA, IS THIS UNIT FOR DENSITY AND HERE'S HOW YOU BUY MORE.
IF WE DECIDE TO EVEN ADD THAT INCENTIVE FEATURE.
CARTER, YOU'RE SAYING WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER ON IS THE MARKET SHOULD KIND OF DETERMINE THE DENSITY.
UM, AND I KNOW JOHN YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE, BUT I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE.
UM, PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY, THEY LIVE IN SHORT PUMP WHERE THERE'S 2020 DENSITY AND PEOPLE DECIDE TO LIVE THERE.
SO PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE THAT, LIVE THAT WAY.
AND I THINK, I THINK IF YOU DON'T WANT GROWTH IN CENTERVILLE, WE LIMIT IT AT SIX, YOU LIMITED IT AT SIX UNITS PER ACRE AND YOU WON'T HAVE THE GROWTH.
I THINK THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION.
ARE WE TRYING TO SERVE THE DEVELOPERS? ARE WE TRYING TO SERVE THE CITIZENS? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I THINK WE HAVE TO ASK CITIZENS OR AGAINST THIS KIND OF DENSITY, CONSISTENTLY, THE ONES THAT LIVE HERE ALREADY, THE ONES THAT LIVE IN CENTER, BUT THE ONES THAT WANT TO MOVE HERE, THIS DENSITY.
BUT THE ONES THAT WANT TO MOVE HERE WOULD SAY, OR DO WE SERVE THE DEVELOPERS? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
WHO'S THE LAST ONE TO GET ACROSS THE LINE BEFORE WE SHOW? ONE THING I WILL OFFER OUT IS, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON ENCROACHMENT, RIGHT? LIKE, WHAT IS THE VILLAGE COURT? YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT IT TO END AT A LOGICAL PLACE.
WE DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE SCROLL.
UH, THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT.
THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES ON THE BACK END ONCE WE WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE LAND USE, UM, TYPES TO ALSO ADOPT POLICIES FOR COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY SPELL OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS DROPS OFF.
AND ALSO HAVE GREATER PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ORDER JUST OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE AREAS.
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THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT AS WELL, SO THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WERE TO EVER CHANGE, IT GOES THROUGH A, YOU KNOW, PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD CONSIDERATION PROCESS.WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE 4.9 SQUARE MILES AS A WHOLE, IF SOMEONE SAYS, AND NOW IT NEEDS TO BE SIX, WELL THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE CONSIDERATION.
SO YOU, YOU CAN PREVENT SOME OF THAT ENCROACHMENT AND THEN YOU CAN POTENTIALLY LOOK AT THEM WHAT IS APPROPRIATE DENSITY OR IS IT MARKET BASED FOR THOSE OTHER THINGS? MM-HMM.
I'M JUST GONNA POINT EVERYBODY TO THE FIRST TWO BULLET POINTS IS IF WE STAY HONEST OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WE HAVE HEAVILY LANDSCAPE AND BUFFERED, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE, WHETHER THEY'RE COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE SHORT PUMP.
AND, AND, AND WE'RE NOT, I I GO BACK TO IT, WE'RE NOT SAYING IT EXTENDS MUCH MORE THAN A FEW HUNDRED YARDS BEYOND MANNEQUIN ROAD.
AND WE'VE GOT, I I DON'T WANT TO BE THE NOTES TO EVERYTHING.
I WANT TO BE THE, I WANT TO TELL THE COMMUNITY THAT'S TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS, THERE IS A PATH, THERE IS A PLAN, BUT GUESS WHAT? WE'RE GONNA HOLD YOU TO A VERY STRONG STANDARD.
SO JUST LIKE, JUST LOOK AT OUR POLICIES, LOOK AT OUR PLANS AND, AND BE HONEST TO THEM.
AND IF YOU DON'T, THEN I CAN THROW THAT BACK AT YOU A HUNDRED TIMES OVER.
BUT IF YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, TRULY READING WHAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE THESE PUBLIC FORUMS AND WE HAVE SLIDESHOWS AND ALL THIS STUFF.
WE HAVE TO BE TRUE TO OUR WORK.
SO I I'M JUST SAYING THAT ANYBODY IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WHO WANTS TO FIT IN THE CENTERVILLE PLAN BE TRUE TO YOUR WORK BECAUSE THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO.
AND, AND, AND A NO IS VERY EASY WHEN YOU'RE NOT TRUE TO WORK.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE JUST SEEM TO BE SPEAKING TO CLARITY OF, I THINK A CLARITY OF THE PLAN AND, AND GIVE DIRECTION, GIVE DIRECTION TO THE, BUT, BUT WE CAN BE TOTALLY HONEST.
THAT SHORT PUMP DOESN'T HAVE WHAT I, I, I DON'T WANT THE WORDING IN FRONT OF ME, BUT SHORT PUMP DOES NOT HAVE THE WELL LANDSCAPES AND THE BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
WHEN THEY STARTED, I JUST TELL EVERYBODY, ED, WHEN THEY STARTED BUILDING SHORT PUMP, THEY SAID IT WAS GONNA BE WALKABLE.
WELL, IT'S ANYTHING BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, SADLY PEOPLE DO WALK AND SUSAN, THAT'S SUSAN.
THAT'S, THERE'S NO WEAPON THAT THAT'S, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT THEN.
AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE WALKABILITY EARLIER BECAUSE I THINK OF SHORT AS THEY REALLY SOLD IT AS WE'RE GONNA BE WALK ONE, IT'S NOT.
AND SO IF, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN PUT THE PLAN TOGETHER, THAT WOULD BE WALKABLE THEN I I I'VE GOT CONCERNS WITH THIS.
WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY BE IN FOUR LANES, HOW YOU GONNA MAKE THAT? WELL I THINK YOU HAVE TO YOUR HANDS CROSSING FULL LENGTH TRAFFIC.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO LOOK, AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I FOLLOWED UP WHEN KEN'S THING ABOUT THE, THE ROADS GOING THIS WAY, RIGHT? TO GET OFF OF BROAD STREET AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR WALKABILITY TO THE NORTH AND YOU HAVE YOUR WALKABILITY TO THE SOUTH.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE WALKABILITY CROSSING THIS SEGMENTS.
CAN WE PUT THE MAP BACK IN THIS? YEAH.
CUZ I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH, UH, THIS, A LOT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS GUSTON'S GOING THROUGH GROWING PAINTINGS, RIGHT? IT'S MATURATION OF
WE'VE GOT A RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL CENTER IN BOTH VILLAGES RIGHT NOW.
THE LEAK, THE MATURATION IS NOW CONSIDERING PUTTING MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTS IN THE HEART OF THOSE VILLAGES, WHICH WE HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE.
AND THAT'S KINDA THE LEAP IS LIKE, DO WE PUT MULTI-FAMILY OTHER THAN IN THE DOWNTOWN TOWN VILLAGE AREAS? NOW WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION INITIALLY WITH, SO HOW DID WE GET THERE? WE SAID, WELL, COMMERCIAL FIRST, IF YOU TAKE THE SCHOOLS TOTAL PROVIDED BY A NUMBER OF STUDENTS, YOU GET 10, 11, 12,000 A YEAR PER STUDENT.
IF YOU TAKE A $500,000 HOME AT 53 CENTS, THAT'S ABOUT 2,500 A YEAR.
SO TAKE FOUR OF THOSE TO PAY FOR ONE STUDENT.
NOW IF YOU GO TO MULTIFAMILY AND THEY'RE THREE OR 400,000 EACH AND HAVE TWO OR THREE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING.
RIGHT? SO ONE OF THE, THE LEAP OR
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WAYS WE HAD TO DO THIS WAS MANNEQUIN CABINET IS SAYING, ALL RIGHT, HOW DO WE NOT, YOU KNOW, GO BROKE AND MAYBE MAKE IT UP ON VOLUME BY DOING A LOT OF IT AND GO BROKE EVEN FASTER.HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT AND, AND MAKE IT IN TOTAL REVENUE NEUTRAL.
SO IT'S NOT COSTING OR PROFIT.
WE'RE NOT IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY.
WE WE'RE NOT IN BUSINESS TO GO OUT, YOU KNOW, BANKRUPT EITHER.
SO HOW DO YOU DO THAT? ONE OF THE WAYS WAS WE SAID IT, YOU DON'T THAN TWO BEDROOMS IN ANY MULTIFAMILY THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE AN EXTENDED FAMILY OF FIVE OR SIX CHILDREN LIVING WITH YOU THAT COULD OVERWHELM THE SYSTEM.
THE SECOND THING WAS YOU GOTTA HAVE ENOUGH COMMERCIAL CONTROL OFF ENOUGH TAX REVENUE THAT DOES NOT STOP DROPS ANY CHILDREN TO SCHOOL.
SO THAT ALL DROPS DOWN THE COUNTY SIDE AND DOESN'T GET SPLIT WITH THE SCHOOLS AND IN THE AGGREGATE IN THE TOTAL EVEN, AND IT DOESN'T BACK UP.
SO, SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS IS REALLY JUST A, A GIANT MANNEQUIN TOWN, WHICH IS MIXED USE OF SOME ROOFTOPS, SOME COMMERCIALS, SOME RESIDENTIAL, SOME BEDROOMS. HOW DO WE MAKE CENTERVILLE ALL IN SAME PRINCIPLES, PROBABLY NOW THAT WE'RE INTRODUCING MULTI-FAMILY IN THE CENTER OF THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL VILLAGE IN BOTH LOCATIONS.
HOW DO WE DO THAT IN A WAY WHERE THE DENSITY DOESN'T OVERWHELM THE SERVICES EITHER FOR ROADS OR FOR SCHOOLS OR WHOEVER.
AND WE, WE GOT THERE WITH MANNEQUIN TOWNS.
SO TO YOUR POINT, THERE IS A WAY FORWARD, WE CAN GET THERE, WE'VE DONE IT ALREADY, BUT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A LARGER SCALE.
AND THAT WAS SUCH UNITS AS AN ACRE.
AND THAT'S THE MATURATION OF GROWING, GOING THROUGH HOW DO WE DO THIS ON A GRANDER SCALE IN OUR VILLAGES WHERE YOU INTRODUCE MULTIFAMILY, WHAT SIZE, WHAT SCALE, WHAT BEDROOMS, WHAT COMMERCIAL, WHAT MULTIUSE.
THAT'S I THINK WHAT WE'RE WRESTLING WITH HERE.
IT'S NO SMALL TASK AND THAT'S WHY DISCUSSION.
BUT I GUESS I COME DOWN ON, IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY, THE WAY WE DEAL WITH MANNEQUIN, WHICH IS LET'S NOT GO BRO DOING THIS, SO LET'S PROVIDE THE WAY FORWARD.
UM, THAT THE APPLICANT FROM MANNEQUIN TOWN STILL APPLIED AND SAYS, YEAH, I CAN, MY ROI IS STILL THERE AND THE DEMAND FOR THIS IS IS OUT THERE AND IN THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND SO HE WENT FORWARD WITH IT.
IF WE CAN KICK TO THAT POINT WITH THIS, IT'LL STILL BE THE MARKET DEMAND.
THE APPLICANTS WILL STILL COME FORWARD.
WE'LL HAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT, OUR GROWTH, BUT IT'LL BE A WAY THAT DOESN'T BANKRUPT THE EXACTLY.
AND IT'S DONE A SUSTAINABLE BASIS NOW.
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HAVE TO, IN FAIRNESS,[01:36:26]
EVERYBODY, WE GOTTA GET BACK TO WORK.UH, ENJOYED THE, THE RECESS OF CATCHING UP WITH FOLKS.
UM, SO CRYSTAL, WHAT ARE THERE QUESTIONS? I THINK WE TALKED A LOT OF WHAT WE SPOKE ABOUT.
RUNNING CENTERVILLE WILL APPLY TO THE COURTHOUSE, OBVIOUSLY.
OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER, NOT PEOPLE.
UM, SO WELL MAYBE THEY, I DON'T.
UM, SO WHAT, ARE THERE SPECIFIC THINGS ABOUT THIS THAT WE CAN HELP, UH, TO TALK ABOUT? SO ABSOLUTELY.
ANOTHER GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO USE AS A SPRINGBOARD.
ONE THING THAT I THINK IS REALLY WORTH FOCUSING ON IS A LOT OF WHAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE COURTHOUSE FOCUSES MORE ON INFILL, RIGHT? BUT THERE'S A LOT INFILL, THERE'S A LOT THAT'S BEEN BUILT OUT.
THERE'S ONLY BEEN SO MANY EMPTY PARCELS THAT REMAIN.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, I'M GONNA USE A FLASHLIGHT, THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS GOING FROM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO SAY, HOW ABOUT WE DO ONE UNIT PER ACRE, MAYBE 1.5 UNITS PER ACRE, MINIMUM LOT SIZE 1500 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT'S SLIGHT INCREASES IN CERTAIN AREAS.
UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN YOU ACTUALLY SUPPORT BASED ON WHAT'S ALREADY AROUND, RIGHT? THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF LARGE, INDEPENDENTLY OWNED PROPERTIES OR SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE COMING IN.
UM, THE LARGEST DENSITY IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AREA IS THE CORE COMMERCIAL.
AND THAT IS THE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE INSIDE THE CORE, THE RED, CORRECT? THAT'S THE MIXED USE.
BUT WITHIN THE CORE YOU WOULD HAVE COMMERCIAL, SOME OF THE INSTITUTIONAL HIGHER DENSITY AND THE, UH, MORE CLUSTERING OF YOUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR TYPE BUSINESSES, SERVICES AND AMENITIES.
WE'RE NOT ENVISIONING BIG BOX STORES.
WE'RE THINKING MEDICAL OFFICES, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, SMALL RETAIL COFFEE SHOP, THOSE TYPE THINGS.
I MEAN, MARKET WILL DETERMINE THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT FITS WITHIN THAT AREA BASED ON THE SIZE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS FIVE SQUARE MILES AND THE VILLAGE CORE IN OF ITSELF IS 2.5 MILES, TWO, TWO MILES, TWO SQUARE.
SORRY, I'M TALKING TOO MANY NUMBERS TODAY.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T, THAT'S TWO SQUARE MILES.
THE CORE IS TWO SQUARE MILES OUT OF THE TOTAL, FIVE OUT OF THIS IS FIVE, THIS IS TWO SQUARE MILES.
I THINK, CAN I INTERRUPT JUST FOR A SECOND? YES, MA'AM.
SO I THINK WHEN WE PUT THAT TOGETHER, CRYSTAL, UM, THE, AND MR. LUKINS, YOU CAN UH, UH, BACK ME UP ON THIS.
THE COURT DID ACTUALLY GO FAR FURTHER AND FURTHER.
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REALLY ESSENTIALLY THE SAME FOR ALL OF THOSE.THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THE TYPES OF, OF ABUSES, I MEAN, THERE'S AN ALLOWABLE FOR, UH, FOR THIS PORTION, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALONG THIS RED AREA.
IT COULD POSSIBLY BE IN SOME OF THESE OTHERS, WHICH KIND OF GIVES THESE, UM, THE AREA THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DENSE FOR THAT TO HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, AS CRYSTAL SAID, TOWARDS THE, UH, SOUTH ALONG THE HISTORIC, MORE TO SCALE, MORE WALKABLE, UM, MORE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, KIND OF, UH, MORE NEIGHBORHOOD USES.
HERE IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE FOOD BY, WE HAVE THE SORT THAT'S SANDY HOOK ROAD.
SO, UH, THIS, SO WE HAVE ROUTE SIX AND THEN SANDY HOOK, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, AND THEN THE, UM, THE BANK AND, AND WINSTON BATTERY IS STILL JACKSON SHOP.
IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT IN OFF OF, IT ACTUALLY JUST GOES TO THE, THE FLOOD PLAIN AS OPPOS TO, SO YEAH, MORE INTENSIVE USES YOUR CHIPOTLE MAY BE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE AS OPPOSED TO JUST FOLLOW.
SO WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE WHEN YOUR, IN YOUR INITIAL PRESENTATION, YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT THE LITTLE, UH, BLACK DOTTED LINE AREA BEING HISTORICAL AREA, BUT THE LEGEND SAYS VILLAGE CORE.
THE QUESTION I HAD WAS WHY DID WE SHORTEN THE CORE AND NOT EXTEND FURTHER? BUT BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WHAT, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF BEING IN THE VILLAGE CORE? WHAT IS, WHAT IS IT GOING, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? IS THAT AN OVERLAY DISTRICT? WHAT, WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE? YEAH, SOME OF THAT WILL GET FLESHED OUT THROUGH THE OVERLAY OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE JUST RIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE IT.
I MEAN THESE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT AREAS AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE ONE AREA THAT WAS GONNA SUPPOSEDLY BE THE SAME.
CLEARLY WE'RE STARTING WITH DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT AREAS.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THE, SO YOU SEE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE SOUTHERN CORE AND THEN, AND THEN BEHIND THE ADMIN BUILDING CORE.
AND THEN TO THE, I LIKE HOW YOU PHRASED IT EARLIER.
IT'S SORT OF A HISTORIC PIECE OF IT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED THROUGH IN OUR PLANNING EFFORTS IS, UM, TRYING TO WORK THROUGH AND SUPPORT HISTORIC DESIGNATION AS SUITED FOR CERTAIN PROPERTIES.
WHETHER IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OR WE LISTED ON, UH, WORK THROUGH LISTING THINGS THROUGH THE VIRGINIA HISTORIC REGISTRY OR NATIONAL REGISTRY.
ULTIMATELY THERE'S THE OPTION IF THERE'S ENOUGH HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS TO HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BUT HISTORIC DISTRICTS ALSO HAVE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT COME INHERENTLY WITH THOSE AS WELL THAT ARE JUST INHERENT THAT ALSO FOCUS ON PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT YOU SEE THAT CORE.
AND WITHIN THE RED, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 30% OF ACREAGE IN A AREA BEING DEDICATED TO COMMERCIAL USE.
SO IT'S TRYING TO KEEP THAT CORE IN OPEN SPACE CONSIDERATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, MAXIMUM DENSITY OF SIX UNITS AN ACRE AND UP TO EIGHT UNITS AN ACRE.
SO WHAT'S THE BLUE? YEAH, THE BLUE IS PUBLIC AND THE DARK ORANGE IS RPU U D.
SO THAT RED IS BASICALLY SURROUNDING, SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY GONNA GO VERY FAR WITH THAT RED, YOU GOT PUBLIC SURROUNDING IT, ANDD SURROUNDING IT.
SO THE CHORUS IS NOT ONLY GONNA BE ABLE TO GROW YES.
INCREMENTALLY OUTSIDE THAT BOUNDARY.
I MEAN, IT, IT, I MEAN THE MOST OPPORTUNITY IS REALLY UP TO THE NORM APARTMENT.
AND EVEN THEN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY, WELL THE ORANGE ON BOTH SIDES, THAT DARK ORANGE IS ON P D, RIGHT? YES.
SO THOSE ARE PLANAR DEVELOPMENTS.
SO THAT'S NOT COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
SO THAT, UH, THIS ACTUALLY DOES ALLOW FOR THIS DESIGNATION.
SO I GUESS AGAIN, THAT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEIR, I MEAN THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED.
THERE'S SOMETHING OPEN LAND THAT COULD BE STOPPED.
THE DARK ONES ALLOWS FOR COMMERCIAL AND DETAIL.
I DON'T DEVELOPMENT SPEED, BASICALLY.
THE IS SURROUNDED BY BLUE AND DARK PARTS.
LET'S, LET'S GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL, IF YOU GO BACK TO, UM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA LET YOU KNOW IF THIS IS A DRAFT.
UH, THE, UM, THE PROPOSED, UM, EXTENSION OF FAIRGROUNDS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN ZONED ALREADY FOR COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S NOT REPRESENTED ON HERE.
UM, THE PPLICANT, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, CONSULTANT JUST WENT WITH THE ACTUAL LAND USE WHERE WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY CHANGED THAT TO COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IN FACT IT'S ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL.
THAT WOULD BE THE INTERSECTION OFS AND SANDY HOOK THAT'S UP HERE.
LAND'S ALREADY INTERSECTION, THE TWO ROADS THERE, SANDY HOOK AND FAIR, WE'RE RIGHT NOW NOT, NOT THERE.
UM, THREE OF THOSE CORNERS ARE BLUE BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE COUNTY OWNED, BUT LONGER TERM, IF THAT GETS PUNCHED THROUGH THOSE THREE CORNERS WILL PROBABLY BE A PRIME COMMERCIAL AREA.
SO, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S KIND LIMITED THAT THOSE QUARTERS AND THEY DO A LITTLE FOLLOW THROUGH IN THE WEST, BUT COMBINED, WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO CONTROL GROWTH THROUGH, YOU KNOW, DENSITY CAUSE THEY
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CAN'T GO ANYWHERE ANYWAY.BUT AGAIN, BACK TO THE PREVIOUS LINE, IS THAT RED, YOU TAKE THE STASH LINES ALL AROUND, ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? IS THAT WHERE THE MULTI-FAMILY MIXED USE IS GONNA BE FOCUSED? YES.
SO, UM, THE RED DOES ALLOW FOR THE, UM, AS IT SAYS HERE, THE MIXED USE.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT IS, UM, SMALLER THEN OVER THERE.
COMMERCIAL, SOME CARGOS, UH, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
SO, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE LANDING'S DRAWING, UH, I MEAN THE LANDING USE MAP AND THE PLAN, HE DOES GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF YOU WHAT, WHAT THOSE COULD BE AND WHAT THEY COULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT AGAIN, NOT NECESSARILY THAT THOSE GO BACK TO EXACTLY WHAT THE, THE SIXTIES PER ACRES.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF'S WORKING ON, IS TO GIVE YOU ALL VISUAL OF WHAT THIS ACTUALLY COULD LOOK LIKE AS OPPOSED TO THOSE BIG SPRAWLING UH, S IN THE PLANT IF ANYONE'S WATCHING HOME OR CITIZENS ARE THINKING THOSE BIG BLUE PATCHES ARE NOT NECESSARILY OWNED BY THE COUNTY.
COLLECTION'S NOT, IT'S NOT COUNTY THAT WE AND, AND THIS AREA HAVE ALREADY PRETTY MUCH BUILT SO LIKELY STAY CONTROL.
WHAT ABOUT WALKABILITY AND WHAT, WHAT IS THE PLAN? HOW ARE, HOW ARE YOU GOING? I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING THAT AND, AND I KNOW EARLIER, AND I GET JOHN JUST GOES TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE THING.
I THINK WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN WE'RE APPROVING REED MORRIS, THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT, WHY YOU? BUT THEN I START TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS WHEN WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA GET THE
SO I THINK FOLKS, CONSTITUENTS OF MINE AROUND HERE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN, AND I, AND I AM PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT'S A WAY TO BUILD COMMUNITY.
THAT'S THE WAY YOU BUILD A COMMUNITY.
I, I, I'VE JUST SAID I WANNA BE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT CREATING, MEETING PLACES AND ENTERTAIN.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S JUST BETTER.
I MEAN WE WERE JUST COMING OUT OF THIS COVID WHERE WE ISOLATED AND DOING ALL THIS STUFF.
AND IF WE HAVE OUR VILLAGE, IF YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE IN THIS VILLAGE AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MEET PEOPLE AND THAT'S NOW, THAT'S GONNA BE HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THE BUSINESSES.
IF YOU DESCRIBE CRYSTAL COMING UP IS, IS THAT WALKABILITY? SO I'M REALLY, I'VE SEEN THE EARLIER PRESENTATIONS WHEN WE, OUR CONSULTANTS WERE SHOWING THIS, BUT I STILL AM WONDERING HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE? SO ONE, THERE'S AN EXISTING SIDEWALK NETWORK THAT IS RATHER STRONG.
THERE'S ALSO TRAILS THAT DO EXIST IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AREA.
SO IT'S THE IDEA OF WHEN FOLKS CHOOSE TO DEVELOP POTENTIALLY IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA, WORKING TO TIE THAT IN AND HAVE COMPLIMENTARY ACTIVE RECREATIONAL FEATURES.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE CONTINUATION OF THE SIDEWALKS AND OTHER PUBLIC GATHERING SPACES.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UM, WITH SOME OF THESE OTHERS, THE REQUIREMENT OF OPEN SPACE, THAT'S ALSO PRESERVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GATHER WHETHER IT'S A BENCH, WHETHER IT'S JUST A GREEN OPEN SPACE.
AND WE DID LOOK AT TRANSPORTATION COMPONENTS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PARKING IMPROVEMENTS ALONG PATTERSON OR ROUTE SIX RATHER.
BUT REALLY WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO HERE TODAY WAS JUST TO DISCUSS THE LAND USE.
BUT DESIGN GUIDELINES WILL ALSO GET TO THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, WE ALSO REALIZE WE NEED TO WORK ON OUR MAJOR TRUTH AIR PLAN.
THAT'S A FUTURE THING AS WELL.
AND I WILL SAY THAT, UM, THE REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, PLAN RBA IN THE, UM, TPO, THEY'RE ALSO GOING THROUGH A COMPLETE STREETS EFFORT WHERE THEY'RE WORKING ON PLANNING THROUGH THAT AND ASSISTING LOCALITIES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING INTERNALLY.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES TO INCLUDE THAT AND, UH, PROJECTS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WE'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL MODES OF GETTING AROUND WHETHER SOMEONE WANTS TO RIDE A BICYCLE WALK OR RIDE IN A CAR.
WELL, HONESTLY, I, I THINK THE TWO, THIS, THIS IS A GOOD SLIDE BECAUSE THOSE TWO AREAS THAT THEY'RE POINTING TO, THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD DO WALKING THERE, BUT I THINK THE REST OF THE AREAS ARE GONNA BE A LOT EASIER.
WE'VE GOT OUR COUNTY LAND BY THE COURTHOUSE.
WE'VE GOT JAY SERGEANT REYNOLDS, WHO I EXPECT TO BE PARTICIPATING AND WILLING TO WORK WITH US ON THAT.
THEN YOU'VE GOT HIDDEN MARK PARK GOING DOWN FAIRGROUNDS ROAD AND THEN EVEN BEHIND FOOD LION.
I THINK THAT'S RIGHT FOR DEVELOPMENTS OF IT.
SO I THINK, I THINK A LOT OF THAT, MAYBE A THIRD OR TWO THIRDS OF THAT I, IN MY MIND I
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CAN IMAGINE HOW, HOW YOU WOULD DO IT, BUT THEN THE REST OF IT MAYBE WILL COME THROUGH.YEAH, I MEAN SOME OF IT, I MEAN SOME OF IT, THE, THE BONES ARE ALREADY THERE.
YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALKS ARE A LITTLE THIN ON ROCKSIDE, BUT THEY'RE IN EXISTENCE ALREADY.
SO THE, THE THING IS TO BE ABLE TO LINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS THE ROAD DIED, IF THE THAT'S EVER IMPLEMENTED, TO SEE HOW WE CAN INCLUDE BIKES IN THERE AND YOU KNOW, CONTINUE IT UP.
UH, TWO FROM ONE THE CORE TO THE OTHER.
THE BONES ARE PRETTY MUCH ALREADY THERE.
PLAN, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY HAVE IN FRONT OF US NOW, UH, DOES HAVE KIND OF A BIGGER PICTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH UH, YOU KNOW, THE FLOOD PLAIN, THERE COULD BE POTENTIAL LINKAGE BETWEEN TUCKER AND UM, PIN ROCK, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE FLOOD PLAIN.
THOSE ARE PRIVATELY HELPED, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WOULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, NOT US GOING IN AND AND CONDEMNING PROPERTY, BUT YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY HAD AN INTEREST, RICH DEVELOPED THOSE PROPERTIES, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WAS SHOW IN THE COMP PLAN.
AND SO EVENTUALLY WE COULD GET THERE, YOU KNOW, IF WE GOT GRANTS TO GET EASEMENTS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
THOSE WOULD ALL BE ALL POSSIBLE WAYS TO MAKE IT, UH, MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO YEAH, THERE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF A LINKAGE REALLY THAT COMES UP THROUGH AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOLS ARE RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT POSES OPPORTUNITY TO FUTURE AS WELL.
THE D C PROPERTY DOES REALLY KIND OF MAKE IT A LITTLE TRICKIER TO, YOU KNOW, TO INTEGRATE OUR RIVER AMENITIES WITH THE VILLAGE.
YEAH, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE PROPERTY.
AND UM, WE DID ACTUALLY HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE AT, UH, THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION.
WE WERE PUTTING IN TOUCH WITH THE CONTACT PERSON AS WELL AS THE, UM, THE WARDEN AT THE TIME AND THE NEW WARDEN AS WELL.
THEY SAID THAT THE STATE HAS NO INTEREST IN DOING ANYTHING, BUT YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS, THIS IS A 20 YEAR PLAN.
PLANNING COMMISSION READY TO MOVE TO THE VILLAGE OKAY.
WITH THE TENACITIES AND THINGS THAT WE WENT THROUGH IN THE PRESENTATION.
DO WE HAVE THE WATER AND SEWER ACCESS FOR ALL OF WHAT'S ON THERE AT THIS POINT? SO I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH UM, UH, UH, THE PUBLIC UTILITIES DIRECTOR.
HE SAID THAT NOT PUT THE CONSULTANT IN TOUCH WITH THEM.
NOW THAT ALTHOUGH THEY'RE NOT THERE, THERE, THERE COULD BE POSSIBILITY.
THERE'S CAPACITY, THERE'S DEFINITELY CAPACITY AND I BELIEVE IT SURE.
IF IT DOESN'T SHOW ON OUR MASTER PLAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD SHOW IN THE FUTURE AS THEY LOOK AT IT.
CAUSE THEY'RE, THAT HELPS AS A WISHY-WASHY FAN.
CAPACITY IS, WE'VE ALWAYS HEARD CAPACITY IS THERE, BUT WHEN YOU GET WEST, IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE BUILT OUT.
THERE ARE NOT LINES THAT RUN ALL THE WAY TO THE FAR WESTERN END OF IT.
HOWEVER, THERE IS THE CAPACITY TO THEN IF THERE'S PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TO TIE INTO THE MAIN SYSTEM FOR WATER AND SEWER BECAUSE THERE IS, THERE'S AN ABUNDANCE OF CAPACITY HERE, COURTHOUSE AREA IN RELATION TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY UTILIZED.
AND WE DID TALK, UM, IN GREAT DETAIL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOUNDARIES OF AND HOW FAR WEST COAST YOU EVEN MENTIONED ALL THE WAY UP TO JACKSON SHOP.
UM, AND THEN TALKING WITH THE CONSULTANT AND YOU KNOW, EXPRESSING SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE NOW THAT CAN GET THESE, THOSE UTILITIES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEVELOPMENT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR.
AND THERE'S SUCH A, A VAST AMOUNT OF VACANT LAND THERE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RIVER BEING AS A POSSIBLE VIEW.
WE FIGURED THAT WE, IF IT WAS INCLUDED, IT REALLY DOES HAVE THE POSSIBILITY FOR WAY DOWN THE ROAD TO TO TO BE A BEAUTIFUL DEPARTMENT.
ANYBODY ELSE ALL DO WE WANNA TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS WORKS? YES.
REMEMBER THAT? IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
SO NEXT STEPS FOR US, WHAT WE'VE ENVISIONED AS A TEAM WORKING, UH, PLANNING, DEVELOPMENT, UH, TEAM FOLKS MYSELF AND SOME OF THE EFFORTS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH OUR CONSULTANT IS REALLY OVER THE NEXT MONTH WORKING ON FINESSING, MASSAGING THE FOUNDATION OF THE PLAN.
COMING UP WITH BETTER VISUALS THAT REFLECT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES ACTUALLY EIGHT UNITS AN ACRE LOOK LIKE.
MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA BUT WHAT DOES THAT VISUALLY LOOK LIKE WITH POTENTIALLY MORE REAL LIFE, UM, IMAGES OF IT, NOT JUST DRAWINGS OR WHAT DOES 12 UNITS MAKE LOOK LIKE.
AND ALSO DOING THAT COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF WHAT OUR ADJACENT, UM, KNOWN DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE SEE, FOR INSTANCE, UM, GETTING DEFINITIVE ANSWERS FOR UM, GREEN GATE WEST BROAD VILLAGE, THOSE KINDS
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OF THINGS.SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE, BUT COMING BACK TO YOU ALL UM, AS SEPARATE BODIES, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH DOING AN UPDATED PRESENTATION WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH TO TWO MONTHS.
AND THEN FROM THERE WE CAN WORK TO SCHEDULE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS AFTER THAT.
BUT I THINK THEN IT'S GETTING YOU ALL COMFORTABLE WITH TODAY THE FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD.
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HEARING YOU AND REFLECTING THAT AND THE FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY CUZ YOU ALL HAVE HEARD INTO PROVIDING A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF IN THOSE MEETINGS AND THEN WORKING TO SCHEDULE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS SO THAT THEN WE CAN EVEN HAVE A DISCUSSION AT THE PRESENTATION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, WITH BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEMBERS.
DID WE REIN IT IN APPROPRIATELY? DID WE DO SOMETHING THAT WAS COMPLETELY OFF MARK? AND THEN FIGURE OUT, OKAY, ARE WE READY TO PROCEED WITH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BECAUSE OUR GOAL IS TO GET TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO THEN WE ALSO ALLOW THAT ADDITIONAL OPEN FORM TO THEN HEAR THE FINAL FEEDBACK BEFORE THERE'S REALLY ANY FORMAL CONSIDERATION.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL IN THIS ROOM ARE AGREEABLE TO? YES.
FOR US AS STAFF TO WORK ON? YEP.
UM, MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD, UM, MAYBE WE COULD ADDRESS THE THEME HEAD ON SAY AS YOU COME DOWN BROAD STREET, MR 20 PER ONE 16, THAT WAS 15 PER THIS MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX STORIES.
THEN YOU GET THE GO ZONE AND IT'S NOT 20 PER AND SIX AND THE SETBACK IS NOT ZERO, IT'S 500 FEET AND UH, SCALE IS NOT SIX STORIES.
IT, SO THAT YOU GO, JUST GO RIGHT AT THAT HEAD ON AND SAY, YEAH, IF YOU DON'T WANNA BE SHORT, HOW'S THIS OR NOT? SHORT COPY.
CONTRAST AND COMPARE DIRECTLY.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT COMES UP TO, THAT'S WHAT COMES DOWN TO THE EXACTLY.
SO THEN WE'LL PLAN TO DO A PRESENTATION AT EACH OF THE BODY'S MEETINGS IN THE NEXT MEETING.
WHERE THE FOLLOWING, CAN I ASK THE TEAM, YOU KNOW, ALREADY? CAUSE I GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM SOME CITIZENS REGARDING THE, UM, HOW IT WAS PRESENTED TODAY VERSUS HOW WE SEE THE CONSULTANTS DO IT.
THAT THIS WAS, IT'S JUST CAUSE WE'RE MORE USED TO SEEING IT IN FORMATS LIKE THIS, BUT THIS WAS A LOT MORE EASILY DIGESTIBLE MAYBE WITHOUT SOME OF THE, UH, WHAT ARE IT CALLED? THE, THE DRAWINGS AND THINGS THAT WILL ACTUALLY NEVER BE HERE.
SO LIKE, SO PERHAPS I'D LIKE SOME FEEDBACK WHILE WE'RE ALL HERE.
WAS THAT, DOES THAT RING TRUE TO EVERYBODY OR SO DOES THIS PREFER OVER WHAT WE'VE SEEN PRIOR FAR YEAH, THAT UNDERSCORE PERHAPS WHAT WE SAID EARLIER.
DO WE REALLY NEED TO BRAND THESE THINGS? WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT BRANDING HERE.
WHAT TALK ABOUT WE PLAN ON REMOVING THE MARKET AND BRAND PIECE, FOCUSING ON LAND USE GUIDELINES.
I ALSO THINK THE LANDOWNERS NEED TO BE A PART OF THIS.
LIKE, SO ANY PLAN THAT IS JUST FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, POLLYANNISH IS RIDICULOUS.
THEY NEED THE LANDOWNERS NEED TO BE COMING TO THE TABLE TALKING AND WE NEED TO SEE STUFF THAT IS ACT BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE BIGGEST GRIP I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE CENTER BOAT PLAN.
AND I WON'T SPEAK TO THE COURTHOUSE PLAN WAS, OH IT LOOKS NICE.
LIKE, I, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR, OH IT LOOKS NICE.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY IT LOOKS NICE AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO ENHANCE ON IT OR CHANGE IT.
UM, BUT I JUST THINK THAT'S A, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT PIECE.
THE PRIVATE OWNERSHIP, PUBLIC HEARING HEALTH VET SOMEWHAT TOO.
UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF HEALTHY DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH AND DISCUSSION AMONG THE TWO BOARDS.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME CITIZENS HERE.
JUST BEFORE WE MOVE ON THEN, JUST I'M, I'M CLEAR AS WHAT WE PLAN ON FOR A PRESENTATION STYLE, UM, HAVING STAFF PRESENT IN A SIMILAR TYPE FORMAT WHERE WE MIGHT ALSO HIGHLIGHT SOME MORE OF THE CONNECTIVITY AND PUBLIC VALUE THAT'S GAINED AS WELL IN ADDITION TO THE LAND USE.
CAUSE TODAY WAS REALLY ABOUT LAND USE.
LOOKING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THIS IS GONNA COME TO Y'ALL BEFORE IT GETS TO US.
SO ARE Y'ALL, DOES THAT SOUND GOOD TO PLANNING COMMISSION? WE CAN GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS.
ANY, ANY RICK THE UNITS PER ACRE ON THERE
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FROM, SAY, FROM A LANDOWNER STANDPOINT, THE UNITS PER ACRE IS GONNA REFLECT ON THEIR PRICE BECAUSE THE BUILDERS DEVELOPERS ONLY GONNA PAY AN X AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THEY CAN, THEY HAVE TO BUILD ENOUGH UNITS TO OFFSET WHATEVER THAT PRICE IS GONNA BE.SO THAT'S GOING TO, YOU'RE RIGHT SUSAN, THAT'S GONNA INVOLVE THE LANDOWNERS TO A GREAT DEGREE BECAUSE IT'S GOING AFFECT THEM AS FAR AS THE PRICE THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET FOR THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE DEVELOPERS ONLY GONNA PAY FOR WHAT THEY CAN PUT ON THERE.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DENSITIES AND STUFF LIKE IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OR EVEN DOWN IN OUR AREA AND THINGS, SENIOR HOUSING, UH, I OWN A REAL ESTATE COMPANY.
I'VE, I'VE BEEN, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED OR ASKED ME IN GLAND ABOUT SENIOR HOUSING.
THEY, THEY LIKE GUC, THEY'D RATHER THEY LIKE TO BE IN GUC.
UM, THAT WOULD AFFECT AS FAR AS SCHOOLS, IT WOULD AFFECT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS LIKE KEN WAS TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A WASHOUT IF YOU PUT COMMERCIAL AND OFFSETS THE SCHOOL SOME AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AS FAR IT'S WORTH THE MONEY.
SO THAT SENIOR WOULD ALSO BE EFFECTIVE BECAUSE 55 AND OVER COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE KIDS.
SO FOR THE MOST PART, SO THE THING IS THAT TYPE OF HOUSING THAT YOU HAVE FOR THOSE TWO AREAS, IF YOU PUT SENIOR HOUSING MIXED WITH OTHERS, YOU HAVE AN OFFSET THERE.
AND I THINK, UH, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR THEM TO BE AWARE OF THAT UH, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING THAT YOU PUT THERE AS FAR AS LIKE 55 AND OVER IS GOING TO GONNA DICTATE A LOT TOO AS FAR AS PRICE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE WHAT Y'ALL DID TODAY AND I'M AN OUTSIDER LOOKING IN AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMUNICATION WITH PLANNING SUPERVISORS AND THESE LADIES THAT GOT UP THERE ARE WARRIORS TO GET UP THERE AND SAY WHAT THEY SAID,
YEAH, I MADE A BUNCH OF NOTES ON MY PHONE AND DELETE THEM SOMEHOW.
BUT THE ONE NOTE, SOMETHING THAT I HEAR ALL THE TIME, I'M COMING BACK FROM HI ICO, UH, WITH GRACE IN THE CAR IS, OH MY GOD, THE TRAFFIC IS GETTING HORRIBLE.
SO WHATEVER HAPPENS IN CENTERVILLE, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT ANYBODY GOING DEEP INTO GUZMAN, IT DOESN'T JUST AFFECT THAT AREA.
AND ANYBODY GOING DEEP INTO GUZMAN HAS ONLY ONE CHOICE TO COME IN OR MAYBE TWO OR 360 4 BROAD AND ROUTE SIX.
AND WHEN, UH, THIS MORNING MY NIECE WAS COMING ON THE ROAD, THERE WAS A TRACTOR TRAILER YESTERDAY MORNING, THERE WAS A TRACTOR TRAILER, UH, FLIPPED OVER ON 64.
SHE'S LIKE, HOW DO I GET THERE? WELL, YOU GOTTA GET OFF OF BROAD COME THAT WAY.
THERE'S NOT THAT MANY WAYS TO GET OUT HERE.
SO WHATEVER HAPPENS THERE, THE DENSITY, THE TRAFFIC IS A BOTTLENECK FOR EVERYBODY COMING, COMING WEST OF THERE.
AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE THAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT A LOT, WE ALL, I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM LOVES AMERICA, LOVES HOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO BE THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WITH A, A LOT OF ZONING REGULATIONS,
NEW YORK CITY WOULD'VE NEVER BEEN BUILT LIKE, LIKE IT IS.
AND MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD THING.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A GOOD THING.
BUT, BUT SO WE HAVE TO JUST BE CAREFUL AND I THINK, UH, I THINK CHARLIE AND KEN BOTH BROUGHT UP THE INFRASTRUCTURE YOU NEED AND THE, HOW DO YOU DEFINE WHAT COLOR YOUR PROPERTY IS IN? IT'S PROBABLY BETTER TO SAY IT'S GONNA BE SIX UNITS PER ACRE.
IF YOU COME WITH THE RIGHT PLAN AND YOU BRING THE WATER AND YOU BUILD THE ROADS, UH, RATHER THAN HAVING A BUNCH OF, WELL MY PROPERTY CAN HANDLE 10 BECAUSE AS A BOARD YOU GUYS KNOW THAT PEOPLE WILL COME TO YOU AND SAY, BUT THE PROPERTY NEXT TO ME, I CAN BUILD 10 HOUSES, SO WHY CAN'T I DO IT HERE? IT'S THE SAME, BUT AT SOME POINT YOU GOTTA PUT HARD LIMITS ON THE, ON THE BOUNDARIES.
ANYBODY ELSE? AND DEB, JOHN? NOTHING.
I I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EMPHASIS ON THE COMMERCIAL.
WHEN I SAY COMMERCIAL, I'M THINKING M ONE DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN THE COMMENTS MADE, WE PUT RESIDENTIAL IN THE PRIME ECONOMIC LAND AND, AND THAT HAS COME BACK TO HAUNT US.
AND I'M NOT SAYING MOSAIC READERS BRANCH ARE TWO AREAS THAT HAVE WE HAD KEPT THAT PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK WE'D HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY CAUSE THEY'RE CLOSER TO THE INTERCHANGE AS OPPOSED TO RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF WEST CREEK WHERE WE CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE SOMETIMES.
SO AS THIS IS DEVELOPING IN THE COURTHOUSE, I KNOW IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING TIME, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO BALANCE OURSELVES 30% COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, UH, TAX INCOME VERSUS, UH, 70%
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RESIDENTIAL IS, IS SOMETHING I CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE ON THE RADAR AND, AND WORKING TOWARDS.THE MORE WE CAN DO TO BRING THE BUSINESS BASE UP TO WHERE WE'RE BALANCING OUT THAT TAX REVENUE STREAM IS WISDOM AND WILL SERVE US WELL FOR TEACHER.
SO, AND, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, AGRICULTURE'S BUSINESS COWS DON'T CALL 9 1 1 GOATS.
DON'T SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL.
OKAY, I'M GONNA CALL FOUL ON THAT BECAUSE I HAVE HAD TO CALL 9 1 1 TO MOVE COWS AND TO MOVE A GOAT JUST WAY HERE.
WE'RE USING THE WORD VILLAGE AND I THINK WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE DESIGN, WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE A VILLAGE.
THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT IT THAT YOU SPEAKS TO VILLAGE.
THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NOTHING.
IT IT'S JUST DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT.
AND I REALLY THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REALLY SOLID DEFINITION OF WHAT WE MEAN BY VILLAGE.
TO ME, VILLAGE IS A WORLD WORK.
ANYTHING ELSE, MR. CARPENTER? I JUST WANTED TO, UM, THANK AGAIN STAFF FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE, THE EFFORTS WE'RE PUTTING INTO THIS.
I THINK THAT, UM, THE FORMAT HAS, UH, BEEN WELL RECEIVED.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, ENTER THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, TO THEM TO THE BOARDS.
UH, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T REALIZE THE AMOUNT OF BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS STAFF PUT INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND READING THE ROOMS, LOOKING AT FACIAL EXPRESSIONS, BODY LANGUAGE, AND THEY TAKE THAT ALL VERY SERIOUSLY.
AND THEY LEAVE HERE AND SOMETIMES THEY LEAVE A MEETING LIKE THIS AND, AND THEY'RE DEVASTATING BECAUSE THEY JUST GOT A SENSE THAT, THAT WHATEVER THEY DID WASN'T RIGHT.
SOMETIMES THEY LEGAL ELATED BECAUSE THEY, THEY HIT THE MARK AND, AND THEY GOT THAT COMMUNICATED.
I JUST WANT TO AGAIN, THANK STAFF AND THANK THE BOARD FOR GIVING STAFF THIS OPPORTUNITY.
I THINK THAT, UM, IT IS BEEN A GOOD MEETING.
I THINK THAT, UM, THEY, AND WE AS, AS AN ORGANIZATION ARE DOING OUR BEST TO HEAR AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BOARDS AND ARE CITIES WANT AND DELIVERING YOU WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTING.
I THINK YOU'RE GETTING WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE HOPING FOR.
AND AGAIN, UM, TO THE STAFF, UH, CRYSTAL, JAMIE, TOM, AND THE REST OF THE STAFF.
UM, JUST SAYING YOU, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THERE ARE DAYS WHEN Y'ALL ARE HERE EARLY AND WORKING LATE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO DELIVER, UH, WHAT OUR BOARDS AND OUR, OUR CITIZEN WANT.
AND JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR THE MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION.
I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF FOLKS WONDERING LIKE, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF TODAY, BUT IT REALLY, IT IT'S BEEN TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL FOR US AS STAFF BECAUSE THIS WAS NEEDED.
LET, SHOULD DO THIS MORE ADJOURN.
ALL IN FAVOR? HEY, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE PLAINTIFF.
THANK ALL OF YOU JU FOR THIS MEETING ABOUT HOW YOU SERVE THE COMMUNITY IN A VERY TOUGH ROLE.
AND AT THAT I WILL ADJOURN, ADJOURN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO OUR FEBRUARY 7TH, 1230 AUDIT, FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING IN THIS ROOM.
UM, AND THEN TO OUR REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING AT TWO AND PUBLIC HEARING AT AT 15:00 PM ON THE SEVENTH.