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[1. Call To Order]
FEBRUARY 2ND.AND THIS IS THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR GLAND COUNTY.
MS. PARKER, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION.
[2. Pledge of Allegiance]
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC, A NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY TO JUSTICE FOR ALL.DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, PLEASE GUIDE THIS
[3. Invocation - Led By Mr. Brewer]
COMMISSION TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS DURING OUR MEETING TONIGHT.PLEASE WATCH OVER OUR FAMILIES, FRIENDS, AND OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM THAT HELP MAKE OUR FREEDOM POSSIBLE.
UM, MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING.
[4. Approval of Minutes]
SO MOVED, MOVED AND SECONDED.LET'S OPEN IT UP TO CITIZEN COMMENT PLEASE FOR ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK,
[5. Citizen Comment Period]
UH, ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.WE'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
UM, IN TERMS OF REQUEST TO DEFER
[6. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions, or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings]
ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES TO THE ORDER OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, STAFF HAS REQUESTED A DEFERRAL OF Z O A 20 22 2 AMENDMENT TO ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALLOW ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES, THEY REQUEST DEFERRAL TO THE APRIL 6TH, 2023 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.THIS REQUEST REQUIRES A MOTION AND A VOTE.
MOTION AND SECOND TO DEFER TILL APRIL.
C O A 20 22 2 IS DEFERRED TO THE APRIL 6TH, 2023 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM TONIGHT IS IN DISTRICT FIVE, RZ 20 22 4, APPLICATION
[7. Public Hearing Items]
BY TUCKAHOE LANDS LLC REQUESTING A REZONING OF 14.298 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TWO AND RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS TO ALLOW 17 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AT 12 310 RIVER ROAD ON TAX MAP NUMBER 64 1 0 75 AND 64 1 0 75 A.THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY.
I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING.
THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE A PROPERTY APPROXIMATELY 14 ACRES IN SIZE FROM A TWO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED AND R ONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED TO R ONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED WITH PROFFERS.
THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE, UH, COUNTIES, SPECIFICALLY ON RIVER ROAD.
THIS IS A ZONING MAP FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE TWO PROPERTIES IN RED ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION.
IT SHOWS A SPLIT ZONE OF AGRICULTURAL, UH, LIMITED AND, UM, RESIDENTIAL LIMITED THE LINES ON.
UM, THE MAP HERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE GOT FROM OUR GIS.
IT IS NOT, UM, ACCURATE TO THE
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POINT WHERE IT ACTUALLY SHOWS WHAT, UM, THEY ARE ACTUALLY REZONING A PORTION OF THAT SQUARE THAT'S, OR THAT RECTANGULAR THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE THAT IS ALSO ZONED A TWO.SO, WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE REZONING, UH, BOTH PARCELS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROP, THESE PROPERTIES AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY, MEANING AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF ONE ACRE IS RECOMMENDED.
SO HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN RED, THAT IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THERE ARE TWO, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS RIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT.
UH, THE TWO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP, THE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE TO THE LEFT ARE, UM, UH, INDIVIDUAL, UH, LOTS.
UH, THE AREA SURROUNDING THE PROPERTIES ARE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS.
THERE ARE SOME OTHER LARGE LOTS RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA.
AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET IS ST.
SO A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE APPLICATION.
UH, THEY ARE REQUESTING THIS REZONING IN ORDER TO CREATE A 17 LOT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION.
IT WILL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
THE REQUEST IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGNATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, THE UH, PLAN CALLS FOR AN AVERAGE ONE ACRE LOT SIZE.
UH, THIS REQUEST IS FOR 0.58 ACRES.
UH, THERE IS A BUFFER ALONG RIVER ROAD THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE UM, HUNDRED PLUS FOOT POLICY FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, IN ADDITION, THERE IS, UH, SOME INCONSISTENCIES ON THE LOCATION OF THE BUFFER ON THE SITE PLAN AS WELL AS IN THE, UM, IN THE ACTUAL PROFFERS.
AND LASTLY, UH, THEY ARE REQUESTING TURN LANE WAIVERS FROM BOTH RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES.
SO THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, I KIND OF REFERENCE THE AREA, UM, RE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS.
SO JUST FOR REFERENCE, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE, UM, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED.
SO THE YELLOW IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, I MENTIONED THE TWO INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE DIRECTLY NEXT TO IT THAT ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE REZONING, NOR IS, OR ARE THEY PART OF ANY OF THE EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS.
SO YOU HAVE RIVERGATE SUBDIVISION IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE, OF THE MAP IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, TO THE OTHER SIDE YOU HAVE WICKHAM GLEN, THEN YOU HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF RIVER ROAD, LOWER TUCKAHOE.
SO THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS PROFFERED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
IT SHOWS, UM, THE ENTRANCE OFF OF, UM, RIVER ROAD WITH TWO STREETS THAT ARE CUL-DE-SACS.
UM, IT SHOWS THE HUNDRED, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, THE 81 FOOT BUFFER ALONG RIVER ROAD.
AND THEN, UM, TO, UM, WHICH MY, THIS WAS ACTUALLY WORKING.
WELL, UM, AS YOU SEE AT THE END OF THAT BUFFER, THERE IS A 20 FOOT BUFFER THAT IS BEHIND THAT INDIVIDUAL LOT THAT'S NEXT TO THE OPEN SPACE.
UM, THE RETENTION OPEN SPACE, THEY HAVE ALSO, UM, INCLUDED THE 20% OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND THAT DOES MAKE UP A PORTION OF THE, UM, THE BUFFER OR THE ENTRANCE WAY.
UH, THAT WOULD BE, I GUESS, TO THE WEST OF THE ENTRANCE.
SO THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 180 FEET IS WHAT THAT LOCATION IS.
SO THE, THE, UM, 81 IS THE LANDSCAPED AREA AND THEN ABOUT 180.
UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ENTRANCE, ADDITIONAL PROFFERS, UH, THAT THEY HAVE OFFERED.
WE HAVE, AGAIN, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THE THINGS THAT I JUST, UH, DESCRIBED.
THEY'VE PROFFERED ELEVATIONS ALONG WITH BUILDING MATERIALS, A CA A CASH PROFFER OF 9,000 THOUSAND $180, UH, DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, THEY HAVE STATED THAT THE ROADS WILL, OR THEY'VE COMMITTED TO THE ROADS BEING PUBLIC AND ENTERED INTO THE VDOT SYSTEM.
ALL HOA ALL OPEN SPACE WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE HOA.
UH, NONE OF THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS WILL BE PART OF THE FLOOD PLAIN, SO THERE WON'T BE ANY FLOOD PLAYED IN THOSE LOTS.
THEY'LL BE SIDING AN IRRIGATION OF LOTS ON ENTRANCE SIGN FEATURE, AND UTILITIES WILL BE UNDERGROUND.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE IS, AS PART OF THE PROFFERS, THEY ARE ASKING FOR THE WAIVER TO THE TURN LANES.
SO HERE YOU HAVE, UM, SOME EXAMPLES.
THEY HAVE MORE EXAMPLES, BUT I, I JUST PICKED TWO OF THAT.
WERE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT LOOKING.
UM, THE ELEVATIONS THAT THEY'VE COMMITTED, THAT THE HOMES WILL BE SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE, UM, THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 3,200 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA.
AND AS I MENTIONED, SOME BUILDING MATERIALS.
MOVING ON TO THE BUFFER ALONG RIVER ROAD.
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FOOT BUFFER.AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE, UM, THE LOWER EXHIBIT.
IT HAS, UH, A OVAL SURROUNDING WHERE THAT WOULD BE LOCATED.
IT IS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT INCLUDES A BERM AND THAT IS DEPICTED IN THE TOP PORTION OF THE, UM, OF THE, OF THE SCREEN.
THE, THE CIRCLE ON THE TOP IMAGE IS WHERE IT SHOWS THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
I HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE'S INCONSISTENCIES AS FAR AS THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
THE ACTUAL WRITTEN PROFFERS SAY THAT IT IS THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHAT THEY ARE DEDICATING.
SO TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS NECESSARY, IF ANY ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WERE TO BE DONE, UH, THE ISSUE WITH IT BEING AT THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY IS AT 81 FEET, IF THEY WERE TO DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS, IT WOULD DIMINISH THAT, UM, UH, AMOUNT OF, UH, BUFFER THAT WOULD BE THERE, OR IT FITS AT THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY OR THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY IT WOULD IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARITY ON THAT AREA.
SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE A HUNDRED OR A HUNDRED PLUS BUFFER INCLUDE RIVERGATE, WICKHAM, GLEN, RANDOLPH SQUARE, AND WEST OAK.
LOWER TUCKAHOE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS, UM, HAS, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL IS BUILT SO THAT THE BACK END OF THE HOUSE IS, THE REAR OF THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY FACE, UM, RIVER ROAD.
SO THERE IS NO, UM, BUFFER THAT IS, IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
SO THEY ARE REQUE, UH, THEY ARE PROVIDING A 20 FOOT BUFFER ALONG ONE OF THE LOTS.
UM, IT'S THE LOTS THAT IS CIRCLED IN RED THAT SHOWS THE, UM, 20 FOOT BUFFER.
UM, THAT DOES NOT ABUT TO ANY, UM, RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S THE, THE, ACTUALLY THE OPENING, THE OPEN AREA, UM, ENTERING INTO WICKHAM GLEN TO THE, UM, TO THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
MY NORTHEAST AND WEST ARE TOTALLY WRONG CUZ WE'RE LOOKING AT IT ONE WAY AND IT'S NOT THE WAY IT REALLY SHOULD BE.
UM, THE AREA, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LOTS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS OPEN SPACE.
SO IT DOES, THERE IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT.
BUT THE, THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT A BUFFER THAT IS PART OF THE OPEN SPACE.
SO THE COUNTY CODE REQUIRES ANY MAJOR SUBDIVISION AND THAT'S DEFINED BY FIVE OR MORE LOTS TO INSTALL RIGHT AND TURN RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES.
UH, THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR A WAIVER THROUGH THE REZONING APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT DID DO A STUDY AND THE STUDY, UH, DID NOT WARRANT TURN LANES.
SO THAT IS BASED ON VDOT STANDARDS.
THE COUNTY HAS HIGHER STANDARDS, WHICH IS WHY THE, UM, UH, THEY, THEY'RE REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE TO DO IT.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AT MINIMUM DO A, UM, RIGHT LANE ENTRANCE INTO THE SUBDIVISION.
THIS WOULD PROVIDE FOR ADDED SAFETY, UM, YOU KNOW, AS CARS ARE MOVING AND WOULD GET THEM OFF THE ROAD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO GET INTO THE, THE SUBDIVISION SAFELY, WHICH WOULD ALSO KEEP THE LANE MOVING.
THIS ALSO WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH AREA DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, RANDOLPH SQUARE HAS A RIGHT AND A LEFT TURN LANE ON RIVER ROAD.
WICKHAM GLEN HAS A RIGHT TURN LANE.
RIVERGATE HAS A RIGHT TURN LANE AND WEST OAK HAS A RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANE ON RIVER ROAD.
THEY ARE ALSO PROFFERING, UM, THE CASH PROFFER OF $9,810.
AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL.
SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS REQUEST IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY FOR SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IS AN AVERAGE OF ONE ACRE.
THE AVERAGE ACRE, AVERAGE LOT SIZE THEY ARE PROPOSING FOR THIS APPLICATION IS 0.58 ACRE.
SO JUST FOR CONTEXT IN THE AIR IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, RIVERGATE, WHICH IS UH, ZONED R ONE IS HAS AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF 3.5 ACRES.
WICKHAM GLEN ALSO, UH, R ONE 1.6 ACRES AVERAGE LOWER TUCKAHOE, 1.5 ACRE AVERAGE.
AND THAT'S ALSO R ONE RANDOLPH SQUARE, WHICH IS AN R P U D, WHICH ACTUALLY DOES ALLOW FOR HIGHER DENSITY.
THEIR, UM, AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS 0.90 OF AN ACRE.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD, UH, LAST FEBRUARY, 2020 2, 36.
NOTABLE CONCERNS INCLUDED THE SIZE OF THE LOTS, UH, THE BUFFER ON RIVER ROAD, UH, THE BUFFERS, UH, TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS AND THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSES TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS.
WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED THREE EMAILS, UH, CONCERNS FROM THE EMAILS INCLUDED.
LACK OF A PERIMETER BUFFER, NO TURN LANES, THE LOT SIZES, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT BEING OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING, UH, DEVELOPMENTS, POTENTIAL STORM RO, WATER RUNOFF, LIGHT POLLUTION, TREE REMOVAL, AND THE LACK OF SIDEWALKS.
THERE ARE OUTSTANDING CONCERNS WITH THE APPLICATION THAT IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE BUFFER
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ALONG R RIVER ROAD, BOTH THE 81 FEET AS WELL AS THE INCONSISTENCY WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.AND LASTLY, UM, THEM PROVIDING NO TURN LANES.
THAT CONCLUDES MY APPLICATION.
I MEAN, NOT MY APPLICATION, MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
THE, UM, THE SUBDIVISION, THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION IS ON, UM, WAS IT THE 14 POINT? YES SIR.
HOWEVER, YOU, UM, YOU SAID IT'S 0.5 ACRES, SO I'M ASSUMING THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THE GREEN SPACE AND WHATEVER.
YEAH, SO IT'S ACTUALLY INSTEAD OF DENSITY, THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REFERENCES, UM, AVERAGE LOT SIZE MM-HMM.
SO I LITERALLY TOOK WHAT THEY PROVIDED, ADDED 'EM UP AND DIVIDED IT AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAME UP WITH.
I ASSUME SINCE THIS IS NOT IN THE, UH, TUCKO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT, THAT THIS, THE WAR IN SIOUX IS COMING FROM PENN RECO? UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY A, UM, I GUESS IT WAS PART OF THE, ORIGINALLY THE JAMES RIVER, UM, WATER SYSTEM, I BELIEVE IS WHAT IT'S CALLED.
AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO CORRECT ME ON THAT.
BUT, UM, THEY ARE ACTUALLY USING COUNTY WATER IS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO GLAND COUNTY WILL GET REVENUE FROM THIS OR RIKKA, UH, GLAND COUNTY GUCH, UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS MENTIONED SIDEWALKS.
ARE THERE SIDEWALKS FROM THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ON? NO, THAT WAS JUST RIVER ROAD.
NO, THAT WAS JUST AN INDIVIDUAL COMMENT THAT SOMEBODY MADE IN.
WHAT ARE THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE USE AS COMPARISON WITH THE LOT SIZE, UH, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE TOTAL LOTS AND LIKE WICKHAM GLEN? YEAH, COULD YOU PUT THAT SLIDE UP AGAIN? I ROUGH ID, DID I HAVE THAT SLIDE? CUZ OTHERWISE I HAVE IT SOMEPLACE ELSE.
YEAH, THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE.
OKAY, SO DID YOU WANT TO KNOW THE NUMBER OF LOTS? YEAH.
APPROX THE NUMBER OF LOTS, CORRECT? YES MA'AM.
I ACTUALLY HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
IF YOU FORGIVE ME FOR GOING TO THE VERY END OF MY PRESENTATION, I CAN READ THOSE OFF CUZ I DID NOT.
SO AT THE BOTTOM YOU'LL SEE THE, UM, SO RANDOLPH SQUARE HAS 152 LOTS, WICKHAM GLEN 23, UM, RIVER GATE, UH, 70 67 AND 160 AND LOWER TUCK.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I BENCHMARKED.
WHAT WAS THE APPROXIMATE TIMELINE OF WICKHAM GLEN'S, UH, BUILD FROM WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DEVELOPED, WHEN THEY'RE BUILT OUT? UM, SUBDIVIDED I'M, I'M AFRAID I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER.
I DID LOOK UP LOWER TACO, BUT I DIDN'T, I JUST KIND OF WENT LONG TIME AGO.
SO I, I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT AS, AS THE TURN LANE.
THEY, THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO BUILD THAT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE, ONE OF THE OTHER, UM, DEVELOPMENTS HAS A, OR TWO OF THEM HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE.
THAT'S, SO THAT WOULD BE HEADING, UH, WEST ON RIVER ROAD, THAT, THAT WOULD BE HEADING WEST FOR THEM.
SO JUST A RIGHT TURN, KIND OF THE RIGHT ONLY KIND OF THING.
MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UH, MY NAME IS ANDY KAMLAN HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
WANNA MAKE SURE THIS WORKS THERE? IT DOES.
UH, UH, WHO'S THE ENGINEER, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THIS? UH, JAMIE, OF COURSE DID A, A, A FABULOUS JOB OF GOING OVER THE DETAILS OF THE SITE.
ONLY THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE IS, AS YOU TRAVEL WEST OR TO OUR LEFT ON RIVER ROAD, AS YOU HEAD TOWARDS BLAIR ROAD, I AM GOING TO REFERENCE THAT AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
BUT ALSO YOU CAN SEE WEST OAK, WHICH IS RIGHT BEFORE BLAIR ROAD, WHICH WAS ALSO, WHICH WAS LEFT OUT OF THE, UH, STAFF ANALYSIS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, UH, 0.3, I THINK IT'S 0.38.
OF COURSE, I HAVE THAT IN MY PRESENTATION.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A THIRD OF AN ACRE, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT AS WE ZOOM INTO THE SITE ITSELF SPECIFICALLY, IS THE 14.3 ACRES THAT WE HAVE.
AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO TO TONIGHT IS JUST IN ADDITION TO DESCRIBING THE PROJECT TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT THE STAFF HAD WITH RESPECT TO THE COMP PLAN OR THE DENSITY WITH RESPECT TO THE TURN LANE AND THE TRAFFIC.
AND OF COURSE, WITH RESPECT TO THE BUFFERS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE PROPERTY TODAY IS ZONED R ONE.
WE'RE ASKING FOR R ONE, BUT TWO, ALMOST TWO-THIRDS OF THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY ZONED R ONE WITHOUT CONDITIONS, WITHOUT ANY PROFFERS AT ALL.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO INCLUDE
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THAT R ONE AND PUT PROFFERS ON THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT.SO WE'RE GONNA REZONE TO A TWO R ONE AS WELL AS THE R ONE.
WE'RE ZONING TO R ONE WITH PROFFERS.
I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, FOCUS ON THAT AS MS. SHERRY HAS POINTED OUT.
THE COMP PLAN CALLS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY, AND CLEARLY, UM, WITH RESPECT TO AN AVERAGE OF ONE ACRE.
BUT THE COMP PLAN OBVIOUSLY IS, IS A GUIDE AND IT'S A GUIDE FOR THE ENTIRETY AR ENTIRE AREA.
AS YOU CAN SEE, ALMOST, UH, THE ENTIRE AREA OTHER THAN THE CHURCH IS DESIGNATED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOOKING FOR AN AVERAGE OVERALL OF ONE ACRES.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE STANDPOINT, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE COMP PLAN SUGGESTS THAT AVERAGE LOT SIZE.
BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO GIVES FURTHER DIRECTION WITH RESPECT TO RIVER ROAD COMMUNITIES, IDENTIFYING INFILL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS VERY RARE, LIMITED POTENTIAL.
SO DEVELOPMENT SHOULD INCLUDE, BE DEVELOPMENT FOR IN CHARACTER WITH THE EXISTING QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING LAND USES.
NOW REMEMBER, WE'RE ALREADY R ONE BY RIGHT? WE COULD DEVELOP THE R ONE PIECE WITHOUT ANY PROFFERS, WITHOUT ANY RECOGNITION OF BEING IN CHARACTER OR COMPLIMENTING THE EXISTING LAND USES.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO QUICKLY, UH, TO START WITH IS THE, UH, IS A COMPARISON OF THE VARIOUS LOTS IN THE AREA AND THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS.
KEEP IT SIMPLE FOR ME BECAUSE, UH, PRESENTING IT WITH COLORS, BUT AS YOU LOOK AT THE COLORS AND THE LEGEND ON THE, ON THE TOP, YOU'LL SEE YELLOW AND ORANGE, WHICH ARE RANDOLPH SQUARE IN THE TOP AND WEST OAK ON THE BOTTOM PRIMARILY, THOSE ARE LOTS THAT ARE LESS THAN 15,000 SQUARE FEET ARE THE ORANGE AND LOTS THAT ARE 15 TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET ARE THE YELLOW.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A NUMBER OF THOSE BOTH IN RANDOLPH SQUARE IN THE AREA AND TO THE, UH, TO THE WEST AT, UH, FOR WEST OAK.
THE PURPLE AND RED, OBVIOUSLY FOR RIVERGATE AND LOWER TUCKAHOE ARE, UH, UM, ARE ARE LARGER LOTS THAT ARE THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE TO A GREATER THAN AN ACRE.
THE GREEN ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN BETWEEN.
YOU CAN SEE A SMATTERING OF GREEN THROUGHOUT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS IN BETWEEN, WHICH IS 24,000 TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW, THE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, WE'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY, I APOLOGIZE.
DO YOU KNOW HOW WE GO BACK THIS WAY? I APOLOGIZE, IS TO RECOGNIZE, UH, THE, THE CODE ITSELF WITH PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER AND MR. ROCKET.
CHARLIE, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY WAS UNDER THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC UTILITY STUDY IN 2004, WAS ABLE TO HOOK UP TO THE RIVERGATE PUMP STATION THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL FOR THE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER FOR THE COUNTY.
BUT BECAUSE THAT WAS ABANDONED IN, UH, 2019, WE'RE NOW HOOKING TO THE TUCKO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
SO WE ARE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
SO BY RIGHT, WE HAVE THE 24,000 SQUARE FEET THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DEVELOP UNDER, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE BIDE.
THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS MAP IS THAT THE STAFF REPORT REDUCED, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, REFERENCED THE RIVERGATE AT THREE AND A HALF ACRES AND LOWER TUCKAHOE AT AN ACRE AND A HALF, UH, AVERAGE.
LOTS, THE, THAT NUMBER'S A LITTLE SKEWED WITH LOWER TUCKAHOE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF LOTS THAT ARE 15 ACRES, ONE THAT'S 40 ACRES.
THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE ACTUALLY DROPS QUITE A BIT WHEN YOU TAKE THOSE OUT, BUT THEY'RE PART OF THE OTHERWISE AVERAGE.
BUT THE CONCERN LIES IN NOT INCLUDING WEST OAK, WHICH AS I REFERENCE HAS AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE AT 0.39 ACRES.
WEST OAK, WHICH IS JUST BELOW US AND IS ADJACENT TO RIVERGATE AS WE ARE AS WELL, WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE FRONTAGE AND WE'RE MORE, UH, SITUATED TOWARDS RIVER ROAD.
BUT WE'RE STILL, FROM A STANDPOINT OF LOOKING AT COMPARISONS IN THE AREA, YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW, WHICH IS MUCH LOWER THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AT UNDER 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR 24 TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, AT THIS POINT THAT THERE IS CONSISTENCY THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR, BUT WE ALSO HAVE CONSISTENCY WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE ZONING ITSELF, WHICH I DID WANNA ADDRESS AS WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, GOES, GO BACK TO THE ZONING MAP FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I, I REALLY DO WANT TO STRESS FROM, FROM WHAT WE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT ALMOST TWO THIRDS OF THE SITE, THE FRONT PART OF THE SITE IS ALREADY ZONED R ONE.
IT'S A LITTLE OVER EIGHT ACRES.
AND REALLY THE ONLY REASON WE'RE HERE IS TO ZONE THE A TWO.
BUT WE INCLUDED THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY, AS I SAID, INTO THE ZONING CASE ITSELF.
BUT WE COULD DEVELOP THAT FRONT PIECE WITHOUT ANY PROFFERS, WITH NO MINIMUM HOUSE SIZE, NO MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS, NO CASH PROFFER OF $9,800 AND NO BUFFER REQUIREMENT.
WE COULD DEVELOP THAT R ONE AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SOME ATTORNEY MATH, WHICH IS REALLY BAD, BUT WHEN WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER EIGHT POINT, LET'S SAY 0.2 ACRES, WE CAN GET ABOUT 24,000.
WE CAN GET A MINIMUM 24,000 SQUARE FEET FOR MY BRAND.
I'M GONNA DO, UH, A HALF ACRE LOTS.
SO EIGHT TIMES, UH, TWO IS 16 LOTS TAKE A LOT AWAY BECAUSE I GOT A ROUND UP BECAUSE OF THE HALF ACRE DIFFERENCE.
TAKE A LOT AWAY FOR ROADS, TAKE A LOT AWAY FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL AREA, I STILL HAVE ABOUT 11 OR 12 LOTS.
THAT BACK PIECE THAT'S A TWO IS SIX ACRES.
IF WE MET THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REZONE IT, THOSE SIX ACRES WOULD EQUAL ONE ACRE LOTS WOULD GIVE ME SIX LOTS.
I'M STILL LOOKING AT 17 OR 18 LOTS.
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IF I DEVELOPED THE FRONT PIECE BY RIGHT WITHOUT ANY PROFFERS AT ALL, WITHOUT A CASH PROFFER AND WITHOUT ANY ASSURANCES OF QUALITY STANDARDS.I DO THINK THAT'S SIGNIFICANT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF LOOKING AT THE CON COMP PLAN.
AND I FIND IT UNFORTUNATE THAT AS A STAFF REPORT INFERS A STRAIGHT LINE SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AN AVERAGE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRETY OF THE AREA WITH A NUMBER OF SMALLER LOT SUBDIVISIONS, WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MOST ADJACENT, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE SMALLER, BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TRYING TO ENCOURAGE NOT JUST LOT SIZES, BUT COMPLIMENTARY DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE OFFERING THROUGH THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS AS WELL AS PAYING THE CASH PROFFER.
AND I WOULD AGREE SPECIFICALLY WITH THAT ANALYSIS, IF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WAS ZONED A TWO, IF WE WERE ALL ZONED A TWO AND I HAD TO COME TO THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET REZONED, I WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO I THINK, MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FULLY FROM THAT STANDPOINT, FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT.
BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A BUY RIGHT UNDER R ONE, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL LOTS.
AND THERE HAS TO BE, I THINK, A RECOGNITION WITHIN THE ANALYSIS TO SAY THAT NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE A BUY RIGHT USE, BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR COMPLIMENTARY DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE FOR IN OUR SITUATION.
AND MS. SHERRY HAS ALREADY PROVIDED FOR, I THINK, A GOOD SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE FOR, WHICH INCLUDES THE LOT DEVELOPMENT WITH A NUMBER OF PROFFERS THAT INCLUDE THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE UP THERE, INCLUDING THE BUFFERS, WHICH I'LL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND.
AND THE RIGHT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION ON RIVER ROAD, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, 35 FEET ON CENTER, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO DEDICATE, WHICH INCLUDES ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO 12 FEET OF DEDICATION ALONG THE FRONTAGE NECESSARY TO MAKE THAT FIVE FEET.
MS. SHERRY ALSO REFERENCED, UH, A NUMBER OF THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE'VE CRAWFORD AS WELL, AND WE'VE PROFFERED THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO PROVIDE FOR THE ONE ACCESS ROAD ON RIVER ROAD, UH, ONE ACCESS POINT ON RIVER ROAD, WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE TRAFFIC.
WE'RE KIND OF CAUGHT BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
RIVER ROAD IS MAINTAINED AND OWNED BY VDOT.
THEY WILL ALLOW A TURN LANE ONLY IF YOU MEET THEIR WARRANTS.
AND BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO ACCEPT IT, WE CAN'T JUST BUILD A TURN LANE AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT.
THEY HAVE TO AGREE TO ACCEPT IT.
WE COULD PROFFER IT AND VDOT COULD SAY NO.
AND THEN WHERE WOULD WE BE? WE COULD GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN AND THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, AND VDOT COULD REQUIRE IT AT THAT TIME, AND WE'D HAVE TO BUILD IT IN ORDER TO USE VDOT ROAD I E RIVER ROAD.
BUT AT THIS POINT WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME PROFFERING IT BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THE FULL TRANSPORTATION IMPACT ANALYSIS, YOU CAN SEE THE TRIP GENERATION UP THERE IN THE TOP WHERE THE PEAK HOUR TOTALS ARE 17 IN THE AM AND 19 IN THE PM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 17 LOTS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 17 CARS OVER THE COURSE OF AN HOUR AND 19 IN THE PM.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, IN THE SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS, THEY TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS.
ONE IS THAT AT THE DELAY FOR THE INTERSECTION APPROACHES IS ONE-TENTH OF A SECOND.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A ONE-TENTH DELAY BECAUSE OF THE 17 LOTS.
AND THEY USE BLAIR ROAD AND R RIVER ROAD AS AN EXAMPLE AT THE INTERSECTION.
IT CAUSES ABOUT A 16 FOOT INCREASE OR A HALF A CAR LENGTH INCREASE IN THE PM PEAK HOUR BASED ON THE COUNTY, OR EXCUSE ME, VDOT WARRANTS FOR BOTH THE RIGHT TURN WARRANTS AND THE LEFT TURN WARRANTS.
WE CAN DEMAND VDOT ACCEPT THE TURN LANE ALL DAY LONG, BUT UNTIL WE MEET THEIR WARRANTS, THEY WON'T ACCEPT IT.
AND IF THEY WON'T ACCEPT IT, WE CAN BUILD IT, BUT IT WON'T BE MAINTAINED BY VDOT AND IT WILL DO NOTHING AT THAT POINT.
AND WE HAVE TO ALLOW, THEY WON'T LET US CONNECT IT TO RIVER ROAD.
THAT'S JUST PART OF THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
IF VDOT REQUIRES IT DURING THE SITE PLAN, WE OR SUBDIVISION, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
THEY, THEY WILL REQUIRE IT IF IT MEETS THE WARRANTS, BUT WE JUST DON'T MEET THE WARRANTS AT THIS POINT.
AND WHILE MAYBE COUNTY POLICY, WE CAN'T FORCE VDOT TO ACCEPT IT.
MS. SHERRY COVERED, UH, THE BUFFERS AS WELL, WHICH INCLUDES 180 FEET ON THE BOTTOM THERE ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS THE, UH, THE COMMON AREA.
UM, THAT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL AREA.
SHE ALSO COVERED THE, UH, 20 FEET THAT'S UP ON THE TOP ON THE EAST, UH, UH, THE EAST SIDE.
THE REASON WE PUT THAT IS AS YOU'RE TRAVELING WEST ON RIVER ROAD, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LOT 15 AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, TO BE ABLE TO BUFFER THAT LOT 15 AS YOU'RE TRAVELING DOWN RIVER ROAD, SO YOU DON'T SEE, UH, PAST THE WICKHAM GLEN ENTRANCEWAY INTO THE LOT SIZE AND LOTS.
AND WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT WE ALSO PROVIDE FOR THIS BUFFER THAT'S A LONG RIVER ROAD AND IT'S, UM, AGAIN, NOT REQUIRED OTHER THAN POLICY.
AND IF WE'RE NOT REZONING THAT FRONT, IF WE'RE DEVELOPING A BUY, RIGHT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUILD THIS BUFFER.
THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS AND, AND WE APOLOGIZE REGARDING THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, THE INTENT OF THAT EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH I DON'T THINK THE, UH, CLICKERS, UH, IS WORKING HERE, IS THAT THAT IS LITERALLY THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY AND WE'RE FIVE TO 12 FEET INSIDE OF THAT.
THAT WAS NOT MEANT TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE BUFFER TO THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE IS A GAP THERE IS WHAT WE'RE SHOWING.
IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC, IT'S A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
AND THAT'S WHY I PROFFERED SPECIFICALLY IN PROFFER NUMBER EIGHT, THAT THE BUFFER, THE 81 FOOT BUFFER WILL START FROM THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'S WHAT CONTROLS, WE COULD CERTAINLY CHANGE THIS TO SAY BUFFER.
AND YOU KNOW, THE ARROW SHOWS,
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AND I UNDERSTAND THE CON UM, THE CONFUSION THAT'S CAUSED BY THIS IS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO LIST THAT AS, UH, ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY NOT EXISTING, YOU KNOW, NOT SHOW THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WE CAN CHANGE THAT, UH, FROM THE STANDPOINT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PROFFER SAYS.AND WE'RE PROVIDING FOR AN EIGHT FOOT BERM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, NOT A, NOT A SMALL FEAT TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT EIGHT FOOT BERM ON THERE AND YOU COULD PUT THE LANDSCAPING AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST EFFECTIVE.
AGAIN, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, UH, UH, LOWER TUCK HILL ACROSS THE ROAD DOES NOT HAVE THAT A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER AND WE'RE PROVIDING FOR AN 81 FOOT BUFFER AND ASKING FOR THAT, JUST BEING ABLE TO FIT THE, UH, THE LOTS THEMSELVES AND HOW THAT WILL ALL FIT IN.
WE THINK THAT'S JUST AS EFFECTIVE IF NOT MORE EFFECTIVE THAN A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER TO HAVE A MUCH MORE DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I'M HAPPY TO GO OVER ANYTHING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE THINK THIS IS A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT FITS IN WITHIN THE STANDARDS OF THE AREA THAT CALLS FOR WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE CALLS FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR, NOT JUST FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE BIRO USE AND MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE, AND WHAT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED IN THE AREA AS FAR AS QUALITY STANDARDS GO.
I'D APPRECIATE, UH, A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, HAVE WE, AS, AS UCHIN TO, TO YOUR RECOLLECTION, ARE DEVELOPER PROFFER LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANE IN VITA NOT ACCEPT THAT? NO.
TE TRADITIONALLY, AS FAR AS I KNOW, UM, THEY WILL SUPPORT THE COUNTY WITH OUR STANDARDS AS LONG AS IT MEETS BY BDOT STANDARDS.
AND THEN, UM, WITH MOST OF THE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PAST 10 YEARS OR 12 YEARS, UM, WE'VE, WE STRONGLY RECOMMENDED LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS A LEFT TURN LANE WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED, WHICH IS WHERE I, WE ARE AGREEING THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE OKAY.
SOMETHING THAT, UM, WOULD BE NOT AS NECESSARY, BUT THE RIGHT TURN LANE IS, IS CRITICAL.
UM, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT IS ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES PER PERSON AND, UM, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH STAN ANDERSON AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF COMB GLEN'S HOA.
THEY'VE RETAINED ME TO, UM, PRESENT TO YOU THE ASSOCIATION'S OPPOSITION OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, AND YOU HAVE HEARD A LOT ALREADY.
UM, AND THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT.
I THINK THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS FROM WICKING GLEN AND EL ELSEWHERE THAT WILL, WILL, UM, HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU THEIR CONCERNS.
BUT I WANTED TO POINT OUT THREE MAIN THINGS AND AND FRANKLY MOST OF THEM ARE, ARE, ARE ALREADY IDENTIFIED IN STAFF'S, UM, REPORT.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THEM A BIT.
UM, AND THE FIRST IS THE, THE, THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT.
AND YOU'VE HEARD THAT, THAT CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LAND IS GONNA BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT? AND THAT'S FINE AND IT DOESN'T NEED ANY KIND OF APPROVALS FROM YOU.
BUT WHAT'S BEING ASKED TONIGHT OF YOU IS A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS 17 HOMES ON HALF ACRE LOTS.
AND WHEN WE WENT THROUGH STAFF'S REPORT, ONE OF THEM IS BEHIND YOU.
YOU COULD SEE THAT IN EACH INSTANCE THE IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, ARE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO YOU IN THIS APPLICATION.
UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE COMPLAN STATES THAT THIS IS SINGLE FAMILY MEDIUM, WHICH IS ONE ACRE AVERAGE LOT SIZE.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT A LOT OF THE LOTS IN THE AREA EXCEED THAT AVERAGE.
UM, AND THIS IS DRAMATICALLY BELOW THAT AVERAGE.
UM, BUT WAS, IT WAS ALSO POINTED OUT IN THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION THAT THE COMPLAN HAS ANOTHER SALIENT PROVISION, UM, WHICH IS THE STATEMENT ABOUT RIVER ROAD'S COMMUNITIES.
UM, AND IT SAYS THAT THERE IS A LIMITED POTENTIAL LIMITED FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, ANY DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING INFILL DEVELOPMENT, SHOULD BE IN CHARACTER WITH EXISTING HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, COMPLEMENTING EXISTING LAND USES AND DEMONSTRATE MINIMAL IMPACTS ON EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING IS THAT THIS APPLICATION IS NOT IN CHARACTER WITH THE EXISTING HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA AND THAT IT WILL HAVE SUBSTANTIAL IMPACTS ON, ON, UH, EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, THE FIRST AREA WHERE THAT, WHERE, WHERE THAT WILL HAPPEN, UM, IS WITH THE BUFFER AND THE ROADWAY.
THE BUFFERS SMALLER THAN THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA.
UM, 100 FEET IS WHAT COUNTY POLICY
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DICTATES THIS IS 81 FEET.IF THE CONCEPT PLAN IS SYNCED UP WITH THE PROFFERS SO THAT IT'S FROM THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S STILL SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER BY, YOU KNOW, 20%, UM, THAN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA.
SO THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, OBVIOUSLY THE LOT SIZE NOT CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEN THE WAIVER OF THE TURN LANE, AGAIN, ALL THE, ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE.
WICKHAM GLEN, WHO I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF, HAS A RIGHT TURN LANE.
A WAIVER OF THAT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO THEM BECAUSE IT WOULD PRESENT A SAFETY CONCERN.
UM, THE LAST BIG POINT THAT I REALLY WANNA STRESS, UM, WITH MY REMAINING TIME IS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T REALLY ADDRESSED IN THE UM, STAFF REPORT, UM, BUT IS IMPORTANT FOR WICKHAM GLENN IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE TOPOGRAPHY AND HISTORICAL STRUCTURES IN THIS AREA, IS STORM WATER.
IN THE MAP YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A SERIES OF OLD FARM PONDS THAT START ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THEN CONNECT TO WICKHAM GLEN AND MOVE ON VIA CONNECTING STREAMS. AND WICKHAM GLEN HAS CONTROL OF ITS POND.
IT HAS IT ROUTINELY MONITORED, IT HAS INVESTED MONEY IN MAINTAINING IT, BUT IT IS NOT CAPABLE OF HANDLING INCREASED RUNOFF.
INCREASED RUNOFF INTO THAT POND COULD CAUSE A SYSTEMIC FAILURE OF THAT POND.
IN FACT, WILHAM GLEN IS CURRENTLY SPEAKING WITH A STORMWATER ENGINEER TO HAVE A REPORT PREPARED TO THAT EFFECT.
OBVIOUSLY DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UH, RESTRICTIONS WILL BE PLACED ON STORMWATER RUNOFF, BUT ANY FAILURE OF THOSE MEASURES OR ANY RUNOFF DURING CONSTRUCTION IN PARTICULAR, UM, COULD CAUSE A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE TO WICKHAM GLEN'S SYSTEM.
AND THAT OBVIOUSLY IS A MAJOR IMPACT TO AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEREFORE, IN ADDITION TO BEING COSTLY FOR WILHAM, GLENN IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO TO RECAP, UM, WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD RECOMMEND DENIAL THIS APPLICATION.
IT'S TOO DENSE IF THEY CAN DEVELOP BY, RIGHT, THEY CAN DEVELOP BY RIGHT.
BUT THIS APPLICATION CALLS FOR TOO MANY HOMES ON TOO LITTLE LAND WITH LOTS THAT ARE TOO SMALL UNDER THE COMPLAN, THAT DENSITY REQUIRED A VARI VARIOUS NUMBER OF RESTRICTIONS AND CHANGES.
THE BUFFERS TOO SMALL, THERE'S NO TURN LANE.
THAT'S ALL A RESULT OF THE DENSITY.
AND THE LAST IS THE STORM WATER IMPACT, AND THAT'S A REAL DAMAGE TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA AT RIVERGATE.
YOU NEED THE EXACT ADDRESS, 1 32 90 KENNEWICK COURT.
AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THEIR PRIVILEGE TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU TODAY.
AND ALSO THANK THE BUILDER FOR HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS TIME LAST YEAR TO, UH, AT WHICH, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS, THE 35 CAME OUT.
I'M NOT VOICING ANY NEW CONCERNS TONIGHT THAN WHAT WE DID AT THAT TIME.
UM, BUT WE STILL DON'T FEEL LIKE, UH, NUMBER OF THESE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE, UM, SORRY.
FIRST OF ALL, UM, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO AVOID DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
WE JUST, UH, FEEL STRONGLY THAT AS I DO, MANY NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE EMAILED ME AND AND TALKED TO ME IN PERSON FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE POPULATION DENSITY IN THE AREA THAT WE NEED TO.
THE OFFSET ON RIVER ROAD NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER AREAS.
AND, UH, WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL, UM, CONCERN ABOUT, UM, WELL ALONG THOSE LINES.
THE LOT SIZES NEED TO BE LARGER.
UM, BUT OUR, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ISSUE IN THAT WE HAVE A, A FAIRLY GOOD SI, A 40 ACRE, I BELIEVE LAKE AT RIVERGATE.
UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH DCR TO GET OUR CERTIFICATION.
IT WAS OUR TURN THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR NUMBER CAME UP AND WE'RE WORKING IN THAT.
AND THE IN, IN THE COURSE OF GOING, WORKING WITH OUR ENGINEERS AND SO FORTH.
UM, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, ANYTHING UPSTREAM FROM US, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR DAM.
M HAS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT.
SO THIS HAS A POTENTIAL OF INCREASING IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD.
THE, THE IMPACT ON OUR DAM STRUCTURE AND WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO TO MAINTAIN THIS, THE STRUCTURE OF OUR DM.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THIS ONE, THE, THAT BACK AREA, THE A TWO SECTION IS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND A COUPLE OF OUR RESIDENCES AND RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR LAKE.
AND SO WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, UH, RESIDENTS, ANIMALS, WHATEVER, COMING THROUGH THE WOODS AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING ACCIDENTS IN OUR LAKE AND NOW WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR 'EM.
SO WE HAD ALSO, IN ADDITION TO, UM, SOME KIND OF BUFFER BETWEEN THOSE, OUR PROPERTY AND THEIR PROPERTY, WE ALSO ASK FOR
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A, A FENCE OR SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE THAT KEEPS, UM, THAT, THAT PROTECTS PEOPLE FROM WANDERING INTO OUR LAKE AND THEN PRESENTING AN ADDITIONAL LIABILITY FOR OUR, FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.THANK YOU CHAIRMAN BOARD NEMERS, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
UM, SADLY IT SEEMS THE PROMOTERS HAVE TAKEN VERY LITTLE NOTICE OF THE, UH, OPINIONS EXPRESSED BY THEIR POTENTIAL NEIGHBORS AT THE MEETING LAST FEBRUARY.
AND IN FACT, YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER TWO APPLICATIONS AT ONCE, UM, THE ONE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU AND THE ONE THAT'S THREATENED.
SO YOU ASK HIM TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THE TWO AND, BUT YET YOU HAVE NO FORMAL APPLICATION ON BEHALF OF THE OTHER ONE.
UM, SO I I SO CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? NO, I'M JUST COMING TO THAT.
UM, I'M LONG RETIRED FROM A KOREA IN LA LAND USE PLANNING IN THE UK.
MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 70 WEST SQUARE DRIVE, WHICH IS ON RANDOLPH SQUARE.
AND THIS EVENING I'VE BEEN DEDICATED BY THE BOARD OF THE RANDOLPH SQUARE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION.
AND IT'S 159 MEMBERS, NOT 152 HOMEMAKERS THERE.
UH, TO RE REINVIGORATE, UH, AN OPINION, WE EXPRESSED A LE IN A LETTER LAST APRIL, WHICH WAS NOT MENTIONED.
UM, IN, IN THE LIST OF REPRESENTATIONS, UH, OUR BOARD PUT IN A, A FIERCE OBJECTION TO THE PRESENT PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU, BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN CHANGED SINCE LAST FEBRUARY.
OF COURSE, IT ILL BEHOVES, UH, THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN A SETTLED COMMUNITY, UH, TO RESIST OTHERS COMING TO ENJOY A COMFORTABLE LIFESTYLE OUT HERE IN THE COUNTY.
RATHER, OUR ASSOCIATION, THIS IS THE THIRD ASSOCIATION NOW IS UNHAPPY AND INDEED OBJECTS FIERCELY TO WHAT WE THINK IS AN OVER WINNING SCALE LAYOUT OF THE PROPOSED SO-CALLED LOCKOUT LOCKHART GLEN, THERE'S NOT MUCH GLEN EVIDENT.
RATHER, WE FEAR THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A HIGH DENSITY INTRUSION INTO THE ESTABLISHED AMBIENCE OF RIVER ROAD FROM THE CREEK TO BLAIR ROAD.
RECENT NEW BUILDING AS UH, THE COUNTY HAVE MADE VERY CLEAR, HAVE BEEN SET BACK IN LINE WITH THE, THE COUNTY'S TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND ITS MORE RECENT LAND USE PLAN.
NOW THAT SET, SET BACK IS NOT EVIDENT IN THIS APPLICATION AND THE DEVELOPMENT SHOWS NO RESPECT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN GENERAL.
NOW ZILLOW LISTED THIS SITE AT 1,439,000 AND STRESSED.
NOW OUR HOME PLOT ON RANDOLPH SQUARE HAS JUST BEEN VALUED BY THE COUNTY AT A QUARTER OF A MILLION THAT'S 17 HOUSES WOULD REPRESENT A CAPITAL GAIN OF AT LEAST TWO AND THREE QUARTERS MILLION MINUS TAX THAT COULD ARISE.
JUST BE THROUGH PUSHING THIS PAPERWORK THROUGH THE COUNTY.
SIR, YOUR THREE MINUTES IS UP.
OKAY, WELL, UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WE DO OBJECT PARTICULARLY TO THE, THE, THE LACK OF A, A, A PROPER BUFFER, UM, CUZ THESE IS YOUR SINGLE TREES AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE INTO THE BACK OF THAT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I LIVE AT 13 2 53 BARWICK LANE IN RIVERGATE, AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE BOARD THERE.
UH, OUR GOAL IS TO HELP CREATE A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME AS THIS ACREAGE CAN PRODUCE A VERY ATTRACTIVE ADDITION TO THE RIVER ROAD CORRIDOR.
HOWEVER, WE OBJECT TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AS PROPOSED.
UH, THIS IS BASICALLY INSERTING A LITTLE BIT OF HENRICO COUNTY SHORT PUMP AS AN ISLAND BETWEEN OUR FRIENDS AT WICKHAM GLEN AND RIVERGATE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE MAPS, IT IS AN ISLAND, IT'S A LITTLE TINY CIRCLE RIGHT BETWEEN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
OUR RESIDENTS SELECTED RIVERGATE AND WICKHAM GLEN AND GLAND COUNTY BECAUSE OF ITS SERENA NATURAL SETTING, ALONG WITH THE PROVI PRIVACY PROVIDED BY LARGER HOME, LOTS LESS TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY OF A RURAL AREA.
AS THOSE CHARACTERISTICS DREW US TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE INTEREST IN PROMOTING THE SAME IDEALS FOR
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THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, FOCUSING ON SAFETY, PRIVACY, AND MAINTAINING THE EXISTING SERENITY OF THE AREA.A FOUNDATION OF THIS CHARACTER IS BASED ON LARGE HOME LOTS.
UH, YOU'VE SEEN THE LOT SIZES SO YOU KNOW HOW IT COMPARES.
WE CAN KEEP ON BEATING ON THAT.
UH, THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOES HAVE AN EXISTING POND.
THAT IS, I THINK THE PLAN IS TO ENLARGE THAT POND.
UH, SINCE RIVERGATE AND WICKHAM GLAND BOTH LIVE LIE BELOW THE PRO COMMUNITY PROPOSED COMMUNITY SITE, WE WOULD LIKE VERIFICATION FROM THE VIRGINIA DCR THAT A CERTIFICATION OF THE DAM HAS BEEN COMPLETED, ALONG WITH THE SUPPORTING INUNDATION STUDIES AND ENGINEERING FOR RUNOFF AND FAILURE OF RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THE STORMWATER RUNOFF THAT'S BEEN REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES TONIGHT.
RIVERGATE HAS ITS OWN LAKE, UH, BEING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD.
FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, WE REQUEST THAT THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD ERECT DEFENSE BUILT TO RIVERGATE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS TO PREVENT NEW RESIDENTS FROM PASSING THROUGH EXISTING RIVERGATE HOMEOWNERS YARDS AND POTENTIALLY ENTERING THE LAKE.
UH, THAT COULD LEAD TO A DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCE AND LIABILITY TO RIVERGATE.
WE ALSO REQUEST THAT A BORDER OF NATURAL SPACE BE MAINTAINED FOR A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO MAINTAIN A DEGREE OF PRIVACY FROM THE EXISTING HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE FOUR OR FIVE NEW NEIGHBORS THAT WILL ABUT ONE SPECIFIC LOT.
FINALLY, AND REDUNDANTLY, WE BELIEVE THE CURRENT ZONING IS ADEQUATE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE DEVELOPED ON MUCH LARGER LOTS AND TO FIT IN WITH THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA.
I LIVE AT 1 32 90 KENWOOD COURT IN GOLAND COUNTY.
UH, I TOO WAS A SURPRISE A LITTLE BIT WHEN, UH, THE PROPOSAL THE GENTLEMAN WAS SPEAKING AND HE SAID, WELL, WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE THERE'S A SECTION OF LAND AND IT'S ALREADY ZONED, BUT IF I AM, I'M, I'M NOT A LAWYER.
SO, UH, ONE ACRE LOTS IS ONE ACRE LOTS.
UH, IT WASN'T LEGISLATED TO BE, UH, AN AVERAGE TO COME OUT AT ONE ACRE.
UH, AND YOU DID THAT TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF GLAND COUNTY, WHICH I DO BELIEVE WILL COME UNDER ATTACK UPRIVER ROAD.
IF YOU ALLOW A SMALLER LOTS, IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
YOU THINK, WELL EACH, EACH PROJECT'S GOTTA COME UP.
THEY WILL HAVE TO DO PROPOSALS AND WHATEVER.
BUT THEN THEY COME IN AND THEY THOUGHT, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
THEY JUST DE DEVELOPED 14.92 ACRES AND THEY PUT 17 HOMES ON IT AND IT WAS 0.58.
HOW CAN YOU STAND? WELL, WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE IT'S OUR ONE.
NO, THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU DECIDE.
YOU DECIDE WHETHER THIS GOES ON.
AND THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I WOULD THINK EITHER VOTES IT OR, OR DOESN'T.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THEN WE EITHER HAVE TO VOTE PEOPLE IN OR VOTE PEOPLE OUT.
IT, IT JUST, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
UH, BUT I WAS SURPRISED WHEN THEY, WELL THEN HAVE THEM JUST, IF THEY DEVELOPED THE EIGHT ACRES, THEN WE HAVE A BUFFER BETWEEN RIVERGATE AND THE EIGHT ACRES.
CAUSE THAT STAYS A TWO, THEY COULDN'T GET IT REZONED.
SO, UH, I BELIEVE THE POWER RESIDES RIGHT HERE, NOT IN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
I WAS SURPRISED ALSO THAT FROM THE PRIOR MEETING LAST YEAR, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT IT WOULD'VE BEEN A LITTLE MORE LIKE CONTACT BETWEEN YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORS.
IT, IT WASN'T, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BUY SOME LAND AND WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE WANT WITH IT.
AND SO OUR OPINIONS MAY OR MAY NOT MATTER.
UH, I BELIEVE THE RIGHT TURN LANE HAS TO BE PUT IN BECAUSE NOT THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE BEFORE.
BUT WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN TO RIVER ROAD THAT SHOPPING CENTER'S GONNA OPEN.
THERE ARE MORE STOPLIGHTS ON PATTERSON.
PEOPLE ARE NOW USING THIS TO GET AROUND THE SPOTLIGHT.
UH, THE, UH, STOPLIGHTS, UH, I DO IT MYSELF SOMETIMES COME DOWN GATON.
I COME, COME OUT RIVER ROAD, BUT I HAVE, WE HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE TO GO INTO RIVERGATE.
THAT IS THE CHARACTER THAT IS RIVER ROAD RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE RIGHT TURNS BELOW IT.
THERE'S A RIGHT TURN ABOVE IT.
SO TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GET WORSE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW KNOW THAT GUTEN COUNTY'S A PRETTY NICE PLACE TO LIVE.
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PRETTY EXPENSIVE DIRT WHERE WE LIVE.UH, I LIVE AT 13,282, UH, KELSTON COURT IN RIVERGATE.
AND I'M THE PAST, UH, CHAIR OF THE HOA THERE.
UM, I MAKE THIS VERY, VERY, VERY SIMPLE.
UH, ALTHOUGH I, I'VE GOT A SMILE AT MR. CONLAN MAY, UH, ANDY, HE'S A GOOD FRIEND, UH, WHEN WE'RE NOT ACROSS THE TABLE AGAINST EACH OTHER, BUT THE IDEA OF BUILDING, OF APPROVING, HAVING YOU APPROVE SMALLER LOTS TO HELP BRING DOWN THE AVERAGE TO ONE ACRE BY APPROVING SOME, SOME LESS THAN HALF ACRES TO COMPLIMENT WICKHAM GLEN AND RIVERGATE, THREE AND A HALF AND SO FORTH MAKES I I DIDN'T STUDY THE NEW MATH.
I'M THAT OLD, THAT OLD, BUT I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT HOLDS WATER.
WE, UM, WICKHAM GLEN AND RIVERGATE, UH, PUT VERY LITTLE DEMANDS ON THIS COUNTY.
WE HAVE VERY LITTLE CHIL, VERY FEW CHILDREN ATTENDING PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
WE IRRIGATE WITH OUR OWN WELLS.
UM, WE DO A NUMBER OF THINGS TO TRY TO MAKE OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE COUNTY, UH, WORTH WHAT WE GET OUT OF IT.
AND WHAT WE GET OUT OF IT IS, WAS JUST SAID, PEACE, QUIET, SECURITY, SOME DISTANCE FROM EACH OTHER.
LOVELY, LOVELY HOMES AND ALL BUILT RELYING ON YOU GENTLEMEN AND YOUR PREDECESSORS COMMITMENT TO US THAT IF WE EACH SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE, THINK OF THAT A MILLION DOLLARS IN GLAND COUNTY TO BUILD NEW HOMES.
THAT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND YOUR MINIMUM ACREAGE AND THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO, YOU WOULD DO.
THE CONCEPT THAT WE'RE NOW TRYING TO FIND A WAY OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO MODIFY THAT.
I THINK IT, IT, I TRY TO FIND THE NICEST WORD POSSIBLE DISTURBING TO ME AND THE OTHER PEOPLE, ALL OF WHOM WHO WILL BE WILLING TO SPEAK AGAINST US TONIGHT BECAUSE WE, WE ARE ALL HERE BECAUSE WE RELIED ON YOU.
AND, AND I KNOW MANY OF YOU PERSONALLY AND I KNOW THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT, BUT UH, I THINK ANDY'S MADE A WONDERFUL CASE.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T OBJECT TO ACRE PLUS HOMES BEING BUILT THERE ON THE AVAILABLE LAND.
I DO FEEL LIKE HE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
AND IF YOU MEET ALL THE SETBACKS, WE WELCOME THEM.
BUT MODIFICATIONS TO BRING DOWN THE PROPERTY VALUE OF RIVERGATE WIN, WICKHAM GLEN AND THE OTHERS OF US THAT ARE OUT THERE, IT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE TO US AND I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER THAT.
THIS IS WHERE YOU LIVE AND AT, AT 1 23 40 RIVER ROAD.
CAN YOU KINDA SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT PLEASE FOR US? YES.
AND WE'RE AT 1 23 40 RIVER ROAD AND THIS IS MY WIFE TINA LOCKHART AND WE ARE THE LANDOWNERS.
SO, UM, MY NAME, I'M MARRIED TO LYNN LOCKHART, BUT I GO BY CHRISTINA R MARRO AND I LIVE AT 1 23 40 RIVER ROAD.
WE LIVE IN THE LOT IN THE FRONT OF A ROAD IN BETWEEN RIVERGATE AND THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING OUR PROPOSAL AND THANK YOU TO ALL CANADIANS.
UM, I WROTE NOTES CUZ I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE THE BOARD PLANNING COMMISSION AND OUR NEIGHBORS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE SALE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY FOR 50 YEARS.
HIS FATHER OWNED IT FOR 25 AND THEN MY HUSBAND TOOK IT OVER AND HE'S OWNED IT FOR 30 YEARS.
SO IN THIS CASE, BOTH MY HUSBAND AND I I RAISING CHILDREN ON CARDWELL ROAD IN GLAND COUNTY SINCE THE EIGHTIES.
UH, WE ARE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS IN GOODWIN COUNTY.
WE HAVE WATCHED PATIENTLY OVER THE YEARS WHILE ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AND WELCOMED WITHOUT ONE COMPLAINT, THE DEVELOPMENT OF SURROUNDING OUR PROPERTY, WE'RE
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SOMEWHAT SURPRISED THAT THERE IS ANY OPPOSITION TO THE PLAN TO DEVELOP OUR LAND AS MANY OF YOUR LIVING IN THE, THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE BUILT WITHOUT ANY COMPLAINT FROM MY HUSBAND AND HIS FAMILY.FURTHER, WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE OFFERS ON THIS LAND AND WE MADE AN EXCELLENT CHOICE.
THE EXPERTISE OF TUCKAHOE LANDS LLC CAN BE SHOWN IN THE QUALITY CUSTOM BUILDING IN THE RIVER ROAD AREA, WHICH WE CAN BE OBSERVED ONE MILE EAST ON RIVER ROAD IN RIVER LAKE COLONY.
THEY ALSO HAVE EXPERIENCE IN EXPERTISE IN SUBDIVISIONS IN KINLOCK, WHICH IS IN GUIN IN THE MANNEQUIN AREA.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO UNDERSTAND CLEARLY THAT THE SALE OF OUR PROPERTY IS OUR RETIREMENT.
IT IS AN ASSET THAT WILL SUPPORT US IN OUR GOLDEN YEARS.
OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE HERE TONIGHT MAY HAVE ASSETS OF STOCKS AND IRAS.
HOWEVER, OUR MAIN ASSET IS THE SALE OF THIS LAND, WHICH WE HAVE MAINTAINED AND PAID OUR TAXES AND WE FEEL IS OUR RIGHT WITHIN YOUR CONFINES.
OF COURSE, YOUR YOUR TIME IS UP, MA'AM, TO SELL AND DEVELOP THIS LAND.
HOW YOU DOING? MY NAME IS SHANNON BROWNING.
I LIVE AT 317 WICKHAM GLEN DRIVE.
I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT IN OPPOSITION TO LOCK OUR GREEN ZONING REQUEST.
UM, I HAVE NUMEROUS CONCERNS AND I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT THE ONES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPEATED, BUT I AM GONNA EMPHASIZE A COUPLE.
UM, FIRST OFF, WITH A BUFFER, WICKHAM GLEN, WHEN IT WAS PROFFERED AND BUILT, MAINTAINED A 300 FOOT BUFFER OFF OF RIVER ROAD AND ALSO MAINTAINED 50 FOOT BUFFERS ALONG THE EASTERN, NORTHERN AND WESTERN PROPERTY LINES.
THAT WAS PROFFERED IN WHEN THE SUBDIVISION WAS DEVELOPED.
AND I BELIEVE YOU HAD ASKED THE YEAR, I THINK THAT WAS LIKE 2005, 2006 ROUGHLY.
OTHER THING I WANNA POINT OUT IS THE DENSITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG WITH THE AMOUNT OF INCREASED IMPERVIOUS AREA, WILL LEAD TO INCREASED RUNOFF RATES AND PROLONGED CONCENTRATED FLOWS THAT WOULD ADVERSELY IMPACT THE WETLANDS STREAMS AND DOWNSTREAM PONDS ON OUR PROPERTY.
AND THE ONES BOOK DOWNSTREAM FROM US, THE BOOKHAM GLEN HOMES ASSOCIATION POND WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED SOME 50 YEARS AGO AS A FARM POND.
THE DAM EMBANKMENT, PRIMARY SPILLWAY AND OUTFALL ARE ALL ORIGINAL AND HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED TO MEET TODAY'S STATE STORMWATER DESIGN STANDARDS, NOR WERE THEY REQUIRED TO DO SO WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT BACK IN OH 5 0 6.
ANY INCREASE IN FLOW RATES OR DURATION COULD HAVE DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS ON THE WETLANDS STREAM POND AND DAM EMBANKMENT AS WELL AS THE NATURAL WILDLIFE THAT LIVED IN AND AROUND THE POND.
WE HAVE WORKED HARD AND SPENT A CONSERV AMOUNT OF MONEY TO KEEP OUR POND HEALTHY AND ATTRACTIVE FOR BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND THE WILDLIFE TO LIVE AROUND IT.
MY CONCERNS ARE NOT JUST FOR THE COMPLETED DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO THE POTENTIAL HAZARDS THAT MAY OCCUR DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE OF THE PROJECT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENOTING 14 ACRES TO BUILD ROADS, POND HOMES, INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT IS NOT ALL, ALL UNUSUAL FOR THE TEMPORARY EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL MEASURES TO FAIL DURING CONSTRUCTION FROM LARGE STORM EVENTS THAT SEEM TO BE OCCURRING MORE OFTEN THESE DAYS, ALLOWING THE SILT FENCE TO FAIL JUST ONCE OR SEDIMENT TRAP BEING OVERWHELMED DURING AN INTENSE STORM EVENT WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO AN AMOUNT, ALLOW UNUSUAL AMOUNTS OF SILT TO RUN OFF THE PROPERTY AND DAMAGE TO DESTROY THE WETLANDS AND DOWNSTREAM PONDS THAT DRAIN THE TUCKAHOE CREEK.
FOR THESE REASONS AND OTHERS, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THE REZONING REQUEST AS PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION 3 25 WICKHAM GLEN DRIVE, MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF WICKHAM GLEN.
AND I WANT TO JUST UNDERSCORE A COUPLE THINGS THAT YOU'VE HEARD ALREADY, UM, IMPACT ON WICKHAM GLEN, BUT THINK ALSO WHAT KIND OF A PRECEDENT THIS WOULD SET OR A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS TO BE ALLOWED.
WE HAVE RANDOLPH SQUARE, WHICH IS SET BACK HUNDREDS OF YARDS.
WICKHAM GLEN SET BACK AT LEAST A HUNDRED YARDS.
AND HERE'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE RIGHT ON THE ROAD, CREATING AN IMPACT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING AND ENTERING AN IMPORTANT GATEWAY INTO WICKHAM, INTO GOODLAND COUNTY.
WHAT THEY WOULD SEE IS DENSITY THAT'S EVEN GREATER THAN WHAT'S IN HENRICO COUNTY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS.
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CITIZENS OF THE AREA DO NOT WANT.WE MOVE TO THE AREA BECAUSE IT'S RURAL.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPEAKS TO THAT AND WE'D ASK YOU TO PLEASE OBSERVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE'RE NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND, JUST PROPER DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT DENSITY, BUFFERS AND THE WATER RUNOFF, WHICH IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO US AND WHICH REALLY COULD CAUSE A CATASTROPHIC PROBLEM TO OUR POND.
SO PLEASE CONSIDER IF THIS WERE APPROVED, WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO THE REST OF THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY AND WE THINK IT WOULD BE A DISASTER.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, JUST TO RESPOND TO THE SPECIFICS, UH, ONE THING WE DIDN'T BRING UP THAT WAS RAISED WITH REGARDING THE STORMWATER, AS YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THROUGH A SUBDIVISION PROCESS IS ONCE YOU GET ALL YOUR ENGINEERING AS TO YOUR EXACT LOT SIZES AND DIMENSIONS AND TOPOGRAPHY AND STORMWATER RUNOFF, AND YOU DESIGN YOUR STORMWATER FACILITIES BASED ON THAT AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT DURING THE ZONING CASE.
YOU DO THAT DURING THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS AND THE COUNTY AND THE STATE HAVE STANDARDS AND PROCESSES TO GO THROUGH.
UH, ABSOLUTELY THE REQUIREMENT OF PART TWO B OF THE VIRGINIA STORMWATER MANAGEMENT STANDARDS IS THAT WE MUST HAVE NO INCREASE IN THE STORMWATER RATE WITH RESPECT TO PRE-DEVELOPMENT VERSUS POST-DEVELOPMENT.
IN OTHER WORDS, OUR POST-DEVELOPMENT RATE CAN'T EXCEED THAT OF OUR POST-DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE CAPTURING AND WILL CAPTURE EVERY DROP OF WATER ON OUR SITE, AND WE'RE USING THE EXISTING FARM POND, WHICH WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO.
AND IT'S PROBABLY, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, STORMWATER, VIRGINIA STORMWATER MANAGEMENT STANDARDS IS, IS SUGGESTED AND USING THAT IN ORDER TO RETAIN AND ALLOW FOR THE WATER TO RUN OFF AT A NO GREATER RATE THAN A DOSE TODAY.
SO THE ANTICIPATION, THE EXPECTATION AND THE LAW IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
AND, AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF DOWNSTREAM, BUT WE HAVE TO, AND WE'LL MEET, AND THE COUNTY OBVIOUSLY HAS, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE VERY GOOD AT THEIR JOB, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S REQUIRED AND ENDURING CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS, UH, AFTERWARDS FROM THE ASSOCIATION.
QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S, IT'S A, A BETTER MAINTAINED FACILITY, UH, AFTER DEVELOPMENT THAN AS A FARM POND BECAUSE IT IS REGULATED AND IT WILL BE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSES OF HOLDING STORMWATER.
YOU HEARD A NUMBER OF ITEMS REGARDING DENSITY AND IT ALWAYS IS A RISK, UH, IN THESE SITUATIONS TO BRING UP BUY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT'S NOT DEEMED AS A THREAT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN REGARDING, UH, MY NEW MATH FROM THAT STANDPOINT, BUT I DO WANNA KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE A LITTLE BIT.
WE, I'VE HEARD TERMS OF HIGH DENSITY INTRUSION, THAT AWFUL TERM WE HEAR QUITE A BIT.
SHORT PUMP, UH, SUBSTANTIAL IMPACTS AND A DISASTER.
IF YOU READ YOUR STAFF REPORT, 14 LOTS WOULD MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S NOT ONE ACRE MINIMUMS, IT'S AN AVERAGE OF ONE ACRE.
I'M A LITTLE BIT DISAGREEMENT, WHICH WE DISAGREE A LOT WITH STAFF HERE AND THERE.
JUST FROM INTERPRETATION, AGAIN, THE COMP PLANS OF INTERPRETATION.
IT'S AN AVERAGE NOT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT AVERAGING ONE ACRE LOTS, BUT IN THE AREA WITH LARGE LOTS, WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS INCLUDING, UH, WEST OAK AND RANDOLPH SQUARES AS FAR AS LOT SIZES GO.
AND WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT ALSO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOESN'T LOOK JUST AT LOT SIZES, BUT AGAIN, IT'S AN AVERAGE OF LOT SIZE.
SO WE'RE TALKING A DIFFERENCE OF THREE LOTS.
I DON'T THINK THAT RE RESULTS IN A DISASTER, SUBSTANTIAL IMPACTS AND A HIGH DENSITY INTRUSION INTO THE AREA.
WE JUST NEED TO KEEP THINGS FROM THAT STANDPOINT IN PERSPECTIVE.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT IS BECAUSE OF OUR BUY RIGHT USES, BUT ALSO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF BEING ABLE TO PUT IN NOT ONLY THE CASH PROFITS, WHICH BENEFITS THE COUNTY AND THE AREA, BUT ALSO THE QUALITY STANDARDS.
AND FINALLY, I'LL REFERENCE THE, UH, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE REFERENCE TO THE TRAFFIC.
UH, AND THE T I A DOES ACCOMMODATE, OF COURSE FOR THE, UH, SURROUNDING, UH, TRAFFIC FROM OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, THE ANTICIPATED GROWTH, THOSE ARE ALL TAKEN CARE OF IN THE SCOPING MEETING AS WELL.
UM, THE RIGHT TURN LANE, IF IT HAS TO BE PUT IN, CAN BE ACCOMMODATED FOR, AND WE STILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN THE 81 FOOT.
THERE'S A DEDICATION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE'D HAVE TO PUT IN.
WE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR THAT.
UH, WE JUST DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR 17 LOTS.
AND THEN FINALLY, WITH RESPECT TO THE BUFFER, I WOULD JUST REMIND YOU THAT IT'S A POLICY, UH, FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT A REQUIREMENT ACROSS THE STREET, THERE IS NO BUFFER FROM, UH, REQUIRED ON THAT STANDPOINT.
WHILE THE LOTS ARE SET BACK IN THE REAR LOTS.
IT'S ALSO FOR OUR REAR LOTS AND I THINK AN EIGHT FOOT BERM ON A 3 0 1 SLOPE WITH NOT JUST SOME MINUSCULE PLANTINGS WE'VE PROVIDED FOR A VERY SUBSTANTIAL PLANTINGS ALL ALONG THE BUFFER AND ON THE BERM ON THE EIGHT FOOT BERM TO BE ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE FOR A, A SUBSTANTIAL, UH, THOROUGHFARE WAY AND THOROUGHFARE BUFFER AS YOU'RE GOING DOWN RIVER ROAD, THAT QUITE FRANKLY WOULD BE MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN JUST HAVING A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER.
AND WE'LL HIDE, UH, THAT AREA AND PROVIDE THE, WHAT THE POLICY IS FOR.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND ASK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
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YOU.I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAN.
SO ONE, WEST OAK WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE CITY, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT ADJACENT TO IT.
YEAH, THE, SO WEST OAK DID APPEAR, I BELIEVE, IN THE RIGHT TURN LANE ANALYSIS.
I JUST TOOK A RIDE UP, UM, RIVER, UH, ROAD AND I JUST JOTTED DOWN WHAT, WHAT WAS ON THERE AND CHECKED IT ON THE AERIAL.
SO THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON IT WAS ON REFERENCED IN THE, UH, THE DRIVING.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WAS JUST IN, IN REFERENCE TO THE ADJACENT THAT THE LIGHT SIZE IN WEST OAK IS SMALLER THAN THIS, I BELIEVE IT IS.
I THINK SHE SAID THANK, I KNOW, I KNOW, UH, UM, MR. CONLAND IN WEST OAK CRAIG 0.35, THAT'S WHAT MR. CONLAN HAD REFERENCED.
UM, WITH, WITH WHAT THEY, THE ZONE CURRENT ZONING, THEY, HOW MANY LOTS CAN THEY GET? WELL, SO, UM, MR. CONLAN DID REFERENCE THAT THEY COULD GET LOTS ON THE R ONE SIDE BY RIGHT.
UM, THE, THE NUMBERS THAT I THREW AROUND IN THE, UH, THE, UH, STAFF REPORT, EVEN REFERENCING THE 14, THAT WAS KIND OF TAKING OUT ALL THE, UM, THE ROAD SIZES AND, AND THE REQUIRED, UM, BUFFERING AROUND.
SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE EXACT ANSWER TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, ROUGHLY THAT THAT'S WHAT I SAID IN REFERENCE TO LIKE, BASED ON JUST SHEER DENSITY.
AND, AND THE STAFF REPORT THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WITH THE A TWO, I DID NOT DO THAT CALCULATION.
THAT CAUSE OF THE 14 ACRES? CORRECT.
NORMALLY THE AVERAGE WHEN WE DO LOT SIZES IS NOT THE AVERAGE OVER A LOW COW.
IT'S AN AVERAGE OVER THAT PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION.
SO IT'S INTERESTING, UM, THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE READS AND PROBABLY MOST OF THE, UM, MORE RECENT, UH, REZONINGS ARE IN THE R P U D DISTRICT WHERE WE DO TALK ABOUT DENSITY OF 2.5 ACRES.
SO SINCE THIS PORTION OF THE COUNTY AND THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T REQUIRE A DENSITY COMPARISON, THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THE DISTRICT LANGUAGE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AVERAGE LOT SIZE.
SO LITERALLY, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, I TOOK ALL THE LOTS, ADDED THEM UP, DIVIDED FOR ALL THE ONES THAT WERE IN THE AREA.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERY SINGLE LOT WAS THAT SIZE.
THEY, THEY WERE VARIED TO EQUAL THAT.
SO YOU DID AVERAGE TO LOW COW TO GET TO ONE ACRE.
WELL, WAS THE STATUTE STILL THE SAME AT THE TIME? THIS OTHER SUBDIVISION WITH THE POINT, WHAT WAS IT? POINT WEST OAK 0.35 ACRES WAS, WAS BUILT.
SO I'M GONNA BE HONEST, I HAVE NOT SPENT A LOT OF TIME STUDYING WEST OAK.
UM, I DID NOT DO MANY STATISTICS FOR THAT.
WE DID HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE, I MEAN A, A REWRITE OF THE CO UM, ZONING ORDINANCE IN 2020.
SO I'M WILLING TO BET THERE WERE SOME CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WOULD'VE BEEN THE SAME THOUGH.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERING WHAT MIGHT BE A BAD EXAMPLE RATHER THAN A GOOD EXAMPLE, BECAUSE I THINK 0.35 EAGLES IN THAT PART OF THE, IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY IS, IS A BAD EXAMPLE.
IF IF THERE WAS NO TURN LANE PUT IN, THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THERE WOULD BE MORE BUFFER THERE WOULD GO.
NO, IT, IT SHOULD NOT IMPACT THE WAY THEIR PROFFERS READ WHAT MR. CONLAN JUST SAID STATED.
SO, AND I, I KNOW MR. CONLAN SAID THAT IT, THE 80 FOOT BUFFER WAS WITH THE TURN LANE BEING PUT IN.
YEAH, HE SAID THAT THEY, THEY COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT IS WHAT I HEARD.
WELL, SINCE THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT, I GUESS I'LL GO FIRST.
EVERY TIME WE HAVE ONE OF THESE, IT'S ALWAYS THE, THE SAME THING.
UH, EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO TWEAK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THIS WAY OR THAT WAY TO, TO SUIT THEIR FINANCIAL NEEDS.
BUT WE DO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT'S WAS APPROVED BY THE, THIS BOARD APPROVED BY BASICALLY THE CITIZENS WHO HAD INPUT INTO THE PLAN AND WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE IN THEIR PARTICULAR AREAS.
UM, THE INCREASE IN HOUSING ON THIS IS A BASICALLY ALMOST A 20% INCREASE, UH, IN THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT NORMALLY WOULD BE ALLOWED.
UM, AND JUST BECAUSE PART OF IT COULD BE DEVELOPED UNDER THE PLAN AND GET A DIFFERENT NUMBER, UH, THAT'S SORT OF, TO ME KIND OF IRRELEVANT.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES I THINK WITH THIS,
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UH, THE SETBACK OFF OF, UH, RIVER ROAD, UH, THE NUMBER OF LOTS, UM, THIS RIGHT LEFT TURN LANE, THE BUFFERS, UH, AND THERE'S AN ALSO I THINK A 20 FOOT BUFFER ON THE BACK AND SIDE OF IT, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM TO BE MUCH OF A BUFFER AT ALL.UM, I MEAN, 20 FEET IS FROM HERE TO OVER THERE, SO THAT'S, THAT DOESN'T DO MUCH.
UM, UH, AND I, I, I THINK WE REALLY DO TRY MOST OF THE TIME JUST TRY TO STICK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UH, SOMETIMES THERE, THERE ARE REASONS TO VARY FOR IT, UH, BUT UH, IT'S THERE FOR A REASON.
UM, AND I DON'T, THIS END OF THE COUNTY, UH, IS THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA, BUT, UH, WE WANT THAT GROWTH TO BE OPEN.
THE CENTERVILLE CARTER AND IN THAT AREA AND THESE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UH, UH, IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE HIGH DENSITY AREAS LIKE, UH, UH, SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS OVER CLOSE, CLOSER TO CENTERVILLE.
UH, SO I THINK I HAVE SOME, SOME ISSUES WITH IT.
AND I THINK, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE STAFF IS RIGHT IN SOME OF THEIR, UH, PROBLEMS WITH IT.
UH, AND THE, THE CITIZENS, UH, UH, HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR IN WHAT THEIR FEELINGS ARE.
AND, UH, UH, I THINK I'M, UH, GENERALLY OPPOSED TO IT BASED ON, UH, A BUNCH OF THESE ISSUES THAT, UH, NOT ONLY THE CITIZENS HAVE BROUGHT UP, BUT ALSO THE STAFF HAS BROUGHT UP.
AND THERE MAY BE A WAY OF WORKING THOSE OUT, BUT, UH, THAT'S NOT UP FOR US TO DO.
WELL, I TEND TO AGREE WITH TOM BECAUSE, AND I REALIZE THAT THEY DEVELOPED NEEDS WHO WILL MAXIMIZE HIS INVESTMENT AND BUILD WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO BUY, WHO WANT TO COME TO GOLAND.
BUT, UM, OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY IN HERE AND IN GOLAND.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE DO STRETCH THE, THE LIMITS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT'S IS THEREFORE IS THERE FOR A REASON.
I REALIZE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GUIDE MORE THAN IT IS ANYTHING, UH, SOLID.
BUT, UM, WE NEED TO ADHERE TO IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND, UM, I I THINK, UM, SQUEEZING 14, I MEAN 17 HOUSES ON 14 ACRES IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY IS JUST, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.
WHAT IF WE MADE IT 14? IT'S NOT UP TO US.
I'M IN A SOMEWHAT OF AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
I'M USUALLY FOR, FOR, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT.
BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING A LITTLE EXTRA FAR PAST THE LINE.
WE'VE DRAWN THAT IF THERE WERE SOME COMPROMISE THAN I THINK IT WOULD GO A LITTLE EASIER, UH, BE A LITTLE EASIER TO SWALLOW.
UM, WITH THE COMPROMISE OF LESS LOTS, THEY COULD ADDRESS BUFFERS AND TURN LANES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD, WOULD MAKE IT A LOT MORE DIGESTIBLE.
UM, SO I, I AM IN AN AGREEMENT ALSO WITH, WITH THAT I CAN'T, DON'T WANT TO, CAN'T SUPPORT THAT MUCH OUTSIDE OF THE LINE THAT WE'VE ALREADY GROWN.
IS THERE A MOTION I SHALL MOVE.
CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL VOTE JUST FOR CLARITY, MR. DUKE? AYE.
THE MO MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL PASSES ON A FIVE OH VOTE.
THIS CASE WILL BE HEARD BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON MARCH 7TH, 2023 WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
DO WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS? NO OLD BUSINESS, NO OTHER BUSINESS.
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MOTION TO ADJOURN.[9. Other Business - None]
WE ARE ADJOURNED.