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IT IS MY HONOR TO CALL TO ORDER
[I. Call to Order]
THE GLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING FOR TUESDAY, UH, FEBRUARY 7TH OF OUR TWO O'CLOCK BUSINESS SESSION.UM, WE'LL START THIS MEETING AS WE DO EACH MEETING WITH AN INVOCATION.
TODAY, WE ARE HONORED TO BE LED BY A PASTOR DIXON FROM SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH, FOLLOWED BY, UH, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY OUR VICE CHAIR OF WATERS.
UH, PLEASE STAND IF YOU'RE ABLE.
[II. Invocation]
FATHER GOD, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST TO COME BEFORE YOU AND LIFT UP OUR REQUEST TO YOU.AND TODAY, IN A SPECIAL WAY, WE'RE MINDFUL OF THE ENCOURAGEMENT GIVEN FROM THE APOSTLE PAUL TO TO GIVE PRAYERS, PETITIONS AND THANKSGIVINGS ON BEHALF OF ALL MEN FOR KINGS AND ALL WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY, SO THAT WE MAY LEAD A TRANQUIL AND QUIET LIFE IN ALL GODLINESS AND DIGNITY.
THIS BEING GOOD AND ACCEPTABLE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD, OUR SAVIOR, WHO DESIRES ALL MEN TO BE SAVED AND TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH.
AND SO, LORD, WE PRAY FOR YOUR BLESSING OVER THIS BODY, OVER THIS BOARD, OVER EVERYONE HERE.
WE PRAY FOR YOUR BLESSING ALSO IN PROTECTION FOR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, AND ALL OF THOSE WHO SERVE US SO FAITHFULLY IN THIS AREA AND REGION.
AND WE ASK LORD, FOR YOUR WILL AND WAY TO PERSEVERE AND TO TRIUMPH IN ALL THAT WE SAY AND DO SO THAT LORD, WE MAY LEAD THAT QUIET AND PEACEFUL LIFE, WHICH IS PLEASING AND HONORABLE TO YOU, LORD, PRESIDE OVER THIS MEETING.
AND LORD DIRECT, AS YOU WILL AND MAY ALL BE DONE FOR YOUR GLORY, WE PRAY IN JESUS' NAME.
[III. Pledge of Allegiance]
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PASTOR DICKON, VICE SHARE OURS.UM, WE'RE GONNA START OUR, OUR MEETING WITH SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL.
UM, AND WE ARE GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION,
[IV. Presentation of Resolution Recognizing Wanda Tormey Upon Her Retirement]
UH, RECOGNIZING, UH, WANDA TOMI FOR HER RETIREMENT, WHICH WILL BE EFFECTIVE MARCH 1ST.SO MR. CARPENTER'S GONNA GO DO THAT PRESENTATION.
UH, YOU'RE GONNA COME UP FRONT AND MS. MSK, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA READ IT FOR US.
WHEREAS IT IS THE DESIRE OF THE GUC COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO GIVE WILL DESERVED ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND RECOGNITION TO MS. WANDA TOY, WHO HAS RENDERED EXEMPLARY SERVICE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, COUNTY STAFF, AND CITIZENS OF GLAND COUNTY.
AND WHEREAS WANDA TOMI ANNOUNCED HER RETIREMENT AS DIRECTOR OF PURCHASING FOR GLAND COUNTY AFTER MORE THAN 30 YEARS OF DILIGENCE SERVICE.
AND WHEREAS WANDA TORME BEGAN HER TENURE WITH GLAND COUNTY ON NOVEMBER 9TH, 1992 AND WAS PROMOTED TO DIRECTOR OF PURCHASING IN AUGUST OF 2012.
AND WHEREAS WANDA TORME THROUGH HARD WORK AND DETERMINATION CONTINUED TO PROGRESS THROUGH THE PURCHASING CERTIFICATIONS, EVENTUALLY OBTAINING THE DESIGNATION OF VIRGINIA CONTRACTING OFFICER FROM THE VIRGINIA INSTITUTE OF PROCUREMENT.
AND WHEREAS WANDA TORME HAS EXTENSIVE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF GLAND COUNTY'S PROCUREMENT HISTORY AND HAS CONTINUOUSLY PROVIDED OUTSTANDING CUSTOMER SERVICE TO THE EMPLOYEES, VENDORS, CONTRACTORS, AND CITIZENS OF GUC LAND.
AND WHEREAS THE COUNTY OF GLAND IS JUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF WANDA TOY'S, MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS, ACHIEVEMENTS, AND COUNTLESS CONTRIBUTIONS
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TO THE INTEGRITY AND HIGH LEVEL OF GLAND COUNTY'S PUBLIC PURCHASING PROCESS.AND WHEREAS WANDA TOBY'S EXPERTISE INITIATIVE AND WILLINGNESS TO TAKE ON LARGE CHALLENGES IS A TESTAMENT TO HER ABILITY TO LEAD AND INSPIRE EFFECTIVELY.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE GUC COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HEREBY COMMENDS, RECOGNIZES, APPRECIATES AND SINCERELY THANKS MS. WANDA TOY FOR HER HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO GUC COUNTY AND OFFERS HER THEIR BEST WISHES BOARD, I MOVE TO THE BOARD.
WITH THAT, I WILL MOVE TO THE BOARD APPROVED RESOLUTION OF RECOGNITION OF MS. WANDA TOY UPON HER RETIREMENT FROM GUCCI COUNTY.
DISCUSSION,
THIS REPRESENTS 30 YEARS OF EDUCATION WITH G COUNTY, AND I HAVE SAVED EVERYONE FOR 30 YEARS.
I HAND THEM OVER TO YOU,
UM, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY IN THIS CAPACITY ALSO.
UM, IT HAS BEEN SUCH AN HONOR AND I'M NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER AND YOU GUYS KNOW THAT.
SO THANKS FOR NEVER PUTTING ME ON THE SPOT IN THE 30 YEARS EXCEPT ONCE.
UM, AND, AND IT WAS MY HONOR TO SERVE THE COUNTY IN MANY DIFFERENT ROLES FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.
UM, I AM GOING TO THANK BECKY DIXON FOR TAKING THE CHANCE ON ME FOR THE DIRECTOR POSITION IN 2012.
NOT MANY PEOPLE GET A CALL AT LUNCH WHILE I'M IN FLORIDA VISITING MY DAUGHTER AND OFFERED ME A POSITION AS A PURCHASING DIRECTOR IF I WAS INTERESTED.
MY DAUGHTER GOES, MOM, WHO DOES THAT? BECKY DIXON DOES THAT.
RIGHT? SO IT WAS JUST AMAZING.
UM, I MADE A PROMISE TO HER IN THE COUNTY AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO DO.
AND I WANNA THANK THE BOARD AND ADMINISTRATION AND ALL MY COWORKERS AND MY BOSSES FOR THE SUPPORT THAT YOU PROVIDE AND TRUST YOU PROVIDED ME.
THESE BADGES REPRESENT EVERY SINGLE TRAINING CONFERENCE, EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU ALLOWED ME FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.
THIS PROVES TO ME HOW MUCH YOU HAVE AND WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO INVEST IN OUR EMPLOYEES.
THIS IS A STATEMENT IN ITSELF AND PROVES THAT GLAND COUNTY SUPPORTS ITS EMPLOYEES, NOT ONLY IN A WORK WAY, BUT IN PROFESSIONAL WAYS.
YOU ALSO SUPPORTED ME THROUGH MANY CANCER WALKS, MANY CORPORATE RUN EVENTS, CHRISTMAS MOTHER PROGRAMS, THE PRESIDENCY AT THE CAPITAL AREA PURCHASING ASSOCIATION, THE REPRESENTATION AT THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENTAL PURCHASING, AND MANY ROLES WITH THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTAL PURCHASING.
IT HAS BEEN SO REWARDING TO WORK WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT I'VE BEEN WITH.
UM, BUT THERE'RE, I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY TIMES THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS SO EASY.
BUT I WANNA ESPECIALLY THANK PUBLIC UTILITIES.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHAT A GREAT GROUP OF OFFICERS WE HAVE AND THE CONTINUOUS SUPPORT WITH THEM.
GENERAL SERVICES THEY DO SO MUCH THAT WE DON'T EVEN TOUCH BASE ON, BUT THE PLACE RUNS BECAUSE OF GENERAL SERVICES AND FIRE RESCUE.
YES, MY HEART'S A LITTLE BIASED TO EDDIE AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO.
AND CARLA, JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR STICKING THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT RANTS WITH ME, CUZ YOU KNOW, THERE WERE MANY HERE LATELY.
I'M SO HONORED AGAIN TO HAVE REPRESENTED GLAND COUNTY ALL OF THESE YEARS.
IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, IT'S HARD TO LEAVE A JOB THAT YOU LOVE.
I HONESTLY LOVE WHAT I DO AND THE PEOPLE THAT BECAME FAMILY.
AND NOW THE LOVE OF MY LIFE, MY NEW CHAPTER IS WAITING.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE A PART OF THIS.
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THANK YOU.ALL RIGHT, NOW, UH, FOR MY COMMENTS, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UH, VERY IMPORTANT MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE
[V. Chair's Comments]
COMING UP WITH THE, THE JOINT, UH, TOWN HALL MEETINGS WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE SCHOOL BOARD.UH, DISTRICTS FOUR AND FIVE ARE GOING TO MEET WEDNESDAY, MARCH 8TH AT SIX 30 AT THE RESIDENCE INN AT THE NOTCH.
UH, DISTRICT ONE WILL MEET THURSDAY, MARCH 23RD AT SIX 30 AT BURT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND DISTRICTS TWO AND THREE WILL MEET THURSDAY, MARCH 30TH AT CENTRAL HIGH AT THE EDUCATIONAL CENTER THERE.
JUST REALLY WANNA INVITE EVERYBODY TO COME OUT.
UH, WE HAD OUR FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING PRIOR TO THIS, AND THE CITIZEN, UH, DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, OUR TAX RATES AND WHAT IT, WHAT, WHAT IT REALLY MEAN TO HAVE A FLAT TAX RATE.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
SO PLEASE COME OUT AND, AND GIVE YOUR, UH, THOUGHTS SO WE CAN HEAR, UH, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
I'LL TURN OVER TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMENTS, UH, MEMBER OF THE BOARD, JUST ONE ITEM TO REMIND YOU OF.
[VI. County Administrator's Comments]
UH, THURSDAY, UH, THE 10TH WILL BE THE, UH, GROUNDBREAKING FOR OUR NEW GUCCI ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.UH, 10 O'CLOCK THAT MOR I'M SORRY.
THIS IS COMING THURSDAY THE NINTH, UH, 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, UH, OUT THERE AT THE LOCATION OF THE NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO, UH, THEY'RE ENCOURAGING THAT EVERYBODY PARK AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND SHUTTLES WILL BE RUNNING.
UM, GET A SHUTTLE, GET THERE AND SEE THE NEXT CHAPTER IN GUCCI COUNTY.
DO WE HAVE ANY REQUESTS TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEMS AND OR ANY DELETIONS CHANGES IN THE ORDER OF PRESENTATION? NOT SEEING NONE.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
THIS IS A TIME FOR CITIZENS TO COME AND ADDRESS THE
[VII. Citizen Comment]
BOARD ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA.UH, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND IF YOU COULD KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES, PLEASE.
UH, 2164 PROPHET ROAD, MANNEQUIN, SABBATH, VIRGINIA 23 103.
UM, AS MOST OF YOU ALL KNOW, UM, I GET A LOT OF CALLS, UM, FROM MY NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY, IN FACT SEE THOSE YELLOW SIGNS BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THOSE YELLOW SIGNS MEAN.
MOST OF THEM ALSO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS.
UH, FOR REZONING, THANKS TO JOANNE HUNTER, UM, BACK IN, UH, THE JANUARY 21ST, 2019.
FROM THAT MEETING, UM, UH, OUR SMALL GROUP OF FIVE OF US, UH, HAVE TAKEN ON THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR TRYING TO EDUCATE, UM, THE CITIZENS IN A WAY SO THAT THEY CAN FULLY PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UH, SIX STAFF MEMBERS FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE.
UM, OVER TWO, UH, UH, ONE A C U P, UM, THAT WAS IN IS, THAT'S LOCATED IN MY COMMUNITY THAT A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS, UH, THINK IT'S THAT I, I CAN GET THE ANSWERS TO THEIR QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M THANKFUL THAT THEY THINK I'M SO CONFIDENT.
UH, BUT I CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT LISA HERE, WHO, WHO WHO SETS UP MEETINGS FOR, UH, FOR MEETINGS, UH, FOR, UH, NEIGHBORS.
ALSO, JAMIE SHERRY BACK THERE.
ANITA BARNES HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL AT MAKING SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD, UM, WHAT THE ORDINANCES ARE FOR THESE DIFFERENT CUS OR ZONING.
UM, SHE'S SENT ME, UM, ARTICLE 21, SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO GO ONLINE AND FIND IT IN YEAH.
UH, ALSO, JONATHAN WARLEY, WHO, UH, IN FACT, UM, PRINTED THE MAPS SO THAT, SO THAT WE COULD SEE EXACTLY WHERE THE C U P IS LOCATED FOR THE NEIGHBORS.
SO I KNOW MY TIME IS, IS RIGHT.
I, I HOPE I'VE, UM, HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THAT TONIGHT, UM, IS YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT, UH, DOING AWAY WITH OUR REVISING COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
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WILL LISTEN TO THE, THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE, HAVE TAKEN THE LEAD FROM ME.ANYONE ELSE FOR CITIZEN COMING? JONATHAN LYLE 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
UM, I JUST NEED TO TELL WANDA THAT SHE HELPED ME PROCURE MY TWO MOST FAVORITE RUNNING SHIRTS WHEN THE CORPORATE FIVE MILER WAS BEING DONE.
THE CAMO GREEN GUC LAND AND IN THE, WHAT I'LL CALL PENGUIN BLUE, UH, GLAND SHIRT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY EXTRAS FLOATING AROUND, BUT I WOULD, UH, DEARLY LIKE TO HELP CLEAN OUT HER OFFICE AND GET THOSE IF THEY ARE THERE.
CAUSE THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD RUNNING SHIRTS.
UM, I'M NOW GONNA TRANSITION TO, UM, CHAIRMAN OF THE MONICA SOIL WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
UM, I WANNA LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED AND EXECUTED AN MOU WITH THE CAPITAL REGION LAND CONSERVANCY.
AND WHAT THIS ALLOWS MONICAN TO DO IS TO CO HOLD CONSERVATION EASEMENTS OF, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS IN PALA GUC, THE MONICAN DISTRICT THAT WANNA PUT THEIR LAND IN FOREVER CONSERVATION.
UH, IT ALLOWS THEM TO, UM, GET SOME ASSISTANCE FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE SHOULD THERE EVER BE A CHALLENGE TO THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS REQUESTS FROM CITIZENS SAYING, CAN YOU HELP US KEEP GOON RURAL BY PUTTING OUR LAND INTO CONSERVATION EASEMENTS? SO THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT IS BEEN AVAILABLE, BUT BY PUTTING A LOCAL FACE ON THIS, UM, WE BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS HERE IN GUC LAND PTAN ARE GONNA BE BETTER SERVED BECAUSE THEIR LAND WILL BE ABLE TO STAY RURAL OPEN AND AGRICULTURAL, UH, FOR FOREVER.
I GUESS IT'S A PERMANENT CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
I ALSO WANNA LET YOU KNOW, AND I BELIEVE, UH, I'VE REACHED OUT TO MS. BEST KWI ON THIS, BUT, UH, THE CONSERVATION DISTRICTS ARE DIVIDED INTO AREAS, UH, GUC, I'M SORRY, POWELL MONKIN IS IN AREA THREE, AND WE WILL BE MEETING AT THE AGRICULTURAL CENTER ON DOGTOWN ROAD IN MAY.
UH, POST MR. CARPENTER, MR. SPOONER, ALL OF Y'ALL ARE INVITED TO COME AND PARTICIPATE.
YOU CAN STAY AS, AS LITTLE AMOUNT OF TIME OR AS LONG AS YOU WANT, AND, AND SEE WHAT KIND OF CONSERVATION EFFORTS DIFFERENT DISTRICTS ARE DOING.
UH, THERE'LL BE PROBABLY 17 DIFFERENT COUNTIES REPRESENTED, AND WE WILL EXPECT TO HAVE MAYBE 70 PEOPLE PARTICIPATING, SOME FROM DCR.
UH, THE LAST THING I WOULD MENTION, AND NOW I'M SWITCHING BACK TO JONATHAN LAO CITIZEN, DO I STILL HAVE TIME OR IS YELLOW MEAN? I'M DONE.
I WOULD JUST MENTION, AND I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THIS TO MR. CARPENTER, BUT I DID TRY TO FIND SOME OF THE COUNTY RESOURCES ON THE WEBSITE.
UH, BOTH THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR AS WELL AS THE NEW DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE STAFF DIRECTORY DIDN'T ALLOW ME TO DO THAT.
SO I, I'M NOT SURE EVERY WEBSITE IS A OPPORTUNITY FOR ONGOING HYGIENE.
UH, IF, IF WE COULD PUT SOME EFFORT INTO THAT.
SO I'M NOT HAVING TO CALL MS. K BEST K WHIZ ALL THE TIME SAYING, CAN YOU CONNECT ME WITH, UH, I THINK SHE'D APPRECIATE IT.
SO I'M REALLY DOING THIS FOR HER
SO THAT'S WHY I WENT OVER LISA.
ANYONE ELSE FOR SUSAN? COMMENT.
SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE.
UH, BOARD YOU HAD A HAD A LOT OF READING TO DO OVER THE WEEKEND.
[VIII. Approval of Action Minutes]
THE, WE HAD OUR WORK SESSION MEETING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 13TH, THE REGULAR MEETING FROM JANUARY 3RD, AND THEN OUR JOINT WORK SESSION JANUARY 11TH.UH, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE, OR IF THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? I'M AS CHAIR.
I MOVE APPROVAL OF ALL THREE MEETING MINUTES.
CAN I GET A SECOND SECTION? OKAY.
WE HAVE A, UH, UH, A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR, OUR REPORTS.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE MR. WYNN,
[IX. Reports]
OUR PARTNER FROM VDOT, IT'S CHAIRMAN MEMBER[1. 5638: VDOT - February 2022]
MARSHALL WYN WITH VDOT.UH, THIS PAST MONTH WE HAD 147 WORK ORDERS COMPLETED, UH, 168 WORK ORDERS, BACKLOG OF WORK ORDERS.
WE HAD AND HAD FOUR CALL OUTS.
BEEN DOING THE SAME TYPE OF MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, POTHOLE REPAIR, SHOULDER REPAIR PIPE, UH, CLEAN OUT
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AND REPLACEMENT, UH, DITCHING TRASH AND SIGN MAINTENANCE.UM, WE'RE STILL, UH, TRACKING ON THE, UH, WESTVIEW ROAD STUDY.
HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING BACK FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEERING.
THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A SPEED LIMIT STUDY ON THAT.
AS SOON AS I GET THAT, I'LL FORWARD THAT ON.
AND, UH, THE FAIRGROUND STUDY, AS I UNDERSTAND, WAS, UH, COMPLETED, AND WE'LL HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT IN THE COMING WEEKS.
SO, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
WHERE DID, UH, MS. LASETTE, UH, THANK YOU MR. WYNN.
I'VE NOTICED TODAY WHEN I WAS DRIVING IN ON ROUTE SIX WEST OF LEAKS MILL, UH, THERE'S MOWING GOING ON AND WHERE THEY'RE MOWING, WHICH WAS A LITTLE INTERESTING THIS TIME OF YEAR, BUT AT ANY RATE WHERE THEY'RE MOWING, THEY JUST, IT APPARENTLY THERE WERE JUST TRASH ALONG THE ROAD AND IT'S ALL BEING CUT.
ARE WE GONNA GO BACK AND TAKE CARE OF THAT TRASH? OH, YEAH.
GO OUT THERE RIGHT AFTER THIS MEETING.
LOOKS LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE SOME NEW FOLKS JOINING US.
UH, SO WE HAVE OUR INTRODUCTION OF OUR NEW COUNTY STAFF.
[2. 5622: Introduction of New County Staff]
GOOD AFTERNOON, BOARD CHAIR AND OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, SHETA DYSON, HR DIRECTOR.UM, SO I DO HAVE THE PLEASURE OF INTRODUCING NEW COUNTY EMPLOYEES FOR JANUARY AND GET THIS COUNTY ADMINISTRATION IS PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE NEW HIRES FOR JANUARY FOR THE FOLLOWING DEPARTMENTS, COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT GENERAL SERVICES, AND I'LL ASK THE NEW EMPLOYEES AS I CALL YOUR NAME.
IF YOU WILL, PLEASE STAND ON JANUARY 3RD, 2020.
JACOB BIDEN JOINED FACILITY MANAGEMENT AS THE FACILITIES TECHNICIAN ONE.
IN THIS ROLE, HE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PERFORMING ROUTINE BUILDING MAINTENANCE FOR COUNTY BUILDINGS.
MR. BIDEN COMES TO GUC COUNTY WITH OVER 10 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD.
NEXT, WE HAVE ON JANUARY 3RD, 2023, COURTNEY BROWNING JOINED THE OFFICE OF THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE AS A DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE ONE.
IN THIS ROLE, MS. BROWNING WILL PROVIDE CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR RESIDENTS AND WILL ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH COUNTY AND STATE REGULATIONS.
AND THESE ARE NEW HIRES, AND WE WANNA WELCOME THEM IN.
NOW WE HAVE OUR FIRE AND RESCUE REPORT, CHIEF FERGUSON.
[3. 5627: Fire Rescue Report - January]
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, EDDIE FERGUSON, FIRE RESCUE CHIEF.UH, CERTAINLY, UM, WE PROVIDED THE WRITTEN REPORT AS NORMAL, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, UH, QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE RELATIVE TO IT.
I DID WANNA, UH, JUST MENTION SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE, UH, THAT REPORT, AS WELL AS A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE WE SUBMITTED THAT.
UM, FIRE RESCUE COMPLETED, UH, 2022 WITH A RECORD NUMBER OF, UH, INCIDENTS 4,397.
THAT'S A 15%, UH, INCREASE OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
AND OF COURSE, OUR AMBULANCE TRANSPORT NUMBERS WERE, WERE UP, UH, OVER THE PREVIOUS YEARS.
JUST WANNA, UM, CAUTION EVERYONE.
UH, IT IS THE, THE COOLER SEASON, AND WE'VE HAD SOME, DEFINITELY HAD SOME COLD SNAPS.
AND, UH, JUST, UM, REMIND EVERYONE THAT WHEN THE WINTER WEATHER IS UPON US, WE HAVE, UM, HEAT HOME HEATING, UH, SYSTEMS, AND JUST MAKE SURE YOUR HOME HEATING SYSTEM IS IN GOOD ORDER.
UH, WE DO SEE AN INCREASE IN, UH, HOUSE FIRE IS USUALLY THIS TIME OF THE YEAR.
AND IF ANYONE IS USING, UH, SPACE HEATERS, MAKE SURE THERE'S AT LEAST THREE FEET OF DISTANCE, UH, BETWEEN THEM AND ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, THAT'S FLAMMABLE, COMBUSTIBLE.
UM, AND OF COURSE, IF YOU BURN WOOD, UH, MAKE SURE THAT YOU, UH, HAVE YOUR CHIMNEY CLEAN.
ANYONE THAT, UH, NEEDS A WORKING SMOKE ALARM, WE CERTAINLY HAVE THEIRS AVAILABLE AT NO COST BY CONTACTING FIRE RESCUE ADMINISTRATION OR THE NEAREST FIRE STATION.
AND THEN IF, UH, YOU HAVE A HOME BURNING OF FOSSIL FUEL TYPE APPLIANCE, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE A CARBON MONOXIDE, UH, ALARM.
LOOKING BACK IN DECEMBER, UH, WHEN IT GOT SO COLD AROUND CHRISTMAS, WE DID HAVE A FEW, UH, HOUSE FIRES.
UM, THE WATER RESCUE TEAM WAS BUSY DURING THAT SAME TIME.
UH, IT WAS JUST WEATHER WAS COLD ENOUGH, LONG ENOUGH TO GET, UH, A GLAZE OF ICE OVER ALL THE PONDS AND LAKES.
AND WE HAD, UH, SEVERAL, UH, ANIMAL RESCUES, ICE RESCUES.
THANKFULLY THERE WERE NO, UH, PEOPLE INVOLVED.
AND WE DID SOME PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS TO TRY TO KEEP, UH, FOLKS OFF THE ICE.
RARELY IS THE ICE EVER THICK ENOUGH FOR TO
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SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF, UH, AN ANIMAL, LET ALONE A, A PERSON.UH, JANUARY WAS A DIFFERENT THEME.
UH, WE SEEMED TO HAVE A NUMBER OF TRUCK ACCIDENTS IN 64, AS WELL AS, UM, A PAINT SPILL ALONG THE DITCH ON 5 22, UH, NEAR POORHOUSE ROAD.
ALL ALL OF THESE WERE HAZMAT INCIDENTS WHERE WE HAD DIESEL FUEL SPILLAGE, AND WE WORKED IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UH, VM AND DQ AND THE CLEANUP CONTRACTORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE ALL, UH, CLEANED UP, UH, LIKE THEY SHOULD BE TO KEEP THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, SAFE AND HEALTHY.
I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT, UH, THAT FIRE RESCUE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD NEWS, ACTUALLY, IT'S REALLY GOOD NEWS FOR THE COUNTY.
UH, LETTER CAME TO MR. CARPENTER, UH, ON THE 30TH OF JANUARY FROM ISO INSURANCE SERVICE OFFICE.
AND IF YOU ALL RECALL, WE UNDERWENT A REVIEW.
UM, WE REQUESTED A REVIEW, AND WE UNDERWENT A REVIEW BACK IN OCTOBER.
UH, AND WE DID MOVE UP IN OUR PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASSIFICATION, WHICH IS, UH, REALLY GOOD FOR, UH, THE COUNTY OF, OF GLAND FIRE RESCUE, AND ALL THE CITIZENS WHO, UH, PURCHASED, UH, HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE, SO BUSINESSES.
AND SO, MR. CARPENTER HAD ASKED ME, UH, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT THAT REPORT, UH, INDICATED AND WHAT THIS REALLY MEANS FOR THE COUNTY.
UH, ISO OR ISO SOMETIMES IS REFERRED TO AS INSURANCE SERVICE OFFICE, AND IT EVALUATES FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND FIRE SUPPRESSION CAPABILITIES OF THE COMMUNITY.
IT ONLY EVALUATES STRUCTURE FIRES, RESPONSES TO STRUCTURE FIRES, AND IS NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT OR CONSIDER EMS CAPABILITIES.
IT'S VERY MUCH, UM, A STRUCTURE FIRE TYPE OF, UM, SURVEY.
ISO COLLECTS AND EVALUATES INFORMATION FROM COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND RATES THEM ON THEIR STRUCTURE FIRE SUPPRESSION CAPABILITIES.
THEY ASSIGN A PUBLIC CLASSIFI PROTECTION CLASSIFICATION.
IT'S A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, 10 BEING THE VERY BEST, AND THEN NINE WOULD BE, UM, BE ON THE LOWER END OF THE SCALE, OR 10 WOULD BE ON THE VERY END OF THE SCALE.
THE SURVEYS ARE CONDUCTED WHENEVER A LOCALITY WOULD REQUEST IT, OR IF THERE'S A NOTABLE CHANGE, UH, FOR THE GOOD OR MAYBE NOT SO GOOD.
UH, ISO CAN COME IN AT ANY TIME AND, UH, AND DO A, AND DO A NEW, UH, SURVEY.
TYPICALLY, IT'S READ AROUND THE FIVE YEAR MARK.
THE COMMUNITY'S INVESTMENT IN FIRE MITIGATION IS A PROVEN AND RELIABLE PREDICTOR OF FIRE LOSSES.
ACCORDING TO ISO, STATISTICAL DATA ON INSURANCE LOSSES BEARS OUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EXCELLENT FIRE PROTECTION AS MEASURED BY THE PUBLIC CLASSIFICATION PROGRAM.
NOW, INSURANCE COMPANIES, UH, USE PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASSIFICATIONS TO ESTABLISH INFORMATION ON MARKETING UNDERWRITING, AND TO HELP ESTABLISH FAIR PREMIUMS. SO HOMEOWNERS AND COMMERCIAL FIRE INSURANCE IN GENERAL, THE PRICE OF FIRE INSURANCE IN THE COMMUNITY WITH A PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASSIFICATION GRADE IS SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN IN THE COMMUNITY WITH A POOR GRADE, ASSUMING THAT ALL FACTORS ARE EQUAL.
SO, I S O IS THAT INDEPENDENT, UH, REVIEW.
AND ACTUALLY, WE CONTACTED VERA RISK, AND THAT'S HOW WE GAINED ACCESS TO THE ISO UM, INSPECTOR WHO CAME IN.
AND AGAIN, IT'S A CLASSIFICATION OF ONE TO NINE, ONE TO 10.
THEY LOOK AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, IT'S 50 POINTS FOR, UH, HOW WELL YOUR FIRE FIRE DEPARTMENT PERFORMS ON STRUCTURE FIRES.
EVERYTHING FROM YOUR FIRE ENGINES TO, UH, YOUR DEPLOYMENT MODEL TO NUMBER OF PERSONNEL ON THE SCENE TO TRAINING OF YOUR PERSONNEL.
EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION RECEIVES 10 POINTS, UH, INCLUDES, UH, EMERGENCY REPORTING, TELECOMMUNICATORS AND DISPATCHING SYSTEMS. AND THEN YOU GET INTO WATER SUPPLY.
AND WATER SUPPLY INCLUDES INSPECTION AND FLOW TESTS IN THE FIRE HYDRANTS, ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY OPERATIONS, AND A CAREFUL EVALUATION OF THE AMOUNT AVAILABLE WATER COMPARED WITH THE AMOUNT NEEDED.
AND SO, AGAIN, IT'S EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, 10 POINTS, FIRE DEPARTMENT'S, 50 POINTS, AND WATER SUPPLY OF 40 POINTS.
AND THEN THERE'S A DIVERGENCE SCORE.
AND THIS WAS A LITTLE DIFFICULT, UH, FOR ME TO GET MY HEAD AROUND, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT'S CAPABILITY AND YOUR WATER SUPPLY CAPABILITY, THEY GET A DIVERGENCE SCORE.
AND THAT DEDUCTS FROM YOUR OVERALL SCORE.
THERE'S, UH, SOME EXTRA CREDIT POINTS.
THE AREA IS COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION, UM, AND THAT IS BASICALLY FIRE PREVENTION AND FIRE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
IF YOU DO WELL AT FIRE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND HAVE A GOOD COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION PROGRAM TEACHING THE SCHOOLS, UH, EDUCATION PROGRAMS, THEN YOU STAND THE ABILITY TO PICK UP AS MUCH, MUCH AS 5.5 POINTS THERE.
WE WORKED ON THIS ABOUT ALL YEAR, AND I HAVE TO COMMEND, UH, EVERYONE ON THE TEAM.
UH, IT WAS A HEAVY LIFT FOR FIRE RESCUE, BUT WE DIDN'T DO IT ALONE.
WE HAD, UH, MANY PEOPLE, UH, AT THE, AT THE TABLE DOING THIS.
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WE DECIDED THAT WE WANTED TO UNDERGO A PRE-EVALUATION ASSESSMENT TO GET READY FOR THE REAL ASSESSMENT.THIS CAME, HOLLY RECOMMENDED TO US BY OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN ORDER TO GET OUR, OUR INFORMATION IN ORDER TO BE PREPARED WHEN THE, UH, THE ASSESSOR CAME IN.
SO WE ACTUALLY HIRED A CONSULTING FIRM, DYNAMICS CONSULTING IN JANUARY OF 22.
ON APRIL THE 12TH, WE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING.
AND AT THE TABLE WAS, UH, THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC UTILITIES, GIS BUILDING INSPECTIONS, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION.
AND SO FROM THAT MEETING, WE STARTED COLLECTING DATA ON MAY 17TH, THE CONSULTANTS VISITED THE COUNTY.
THEY TOOK A TOUR OF THE COUNTY.
THEY LOOKED AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTY.
THEY TOURED THE FIRE STATIONS, THEY REVIEWED OUR FIRE SUPPRESSION, UH, CAPABILITIES, AS WELL AS WITNESSED OUR ABILITY TO HAUL WATER FOR RURAL WATER SUPPLY OPERATION, A TANKER SHUTTLE.
BY THE END OF THE, IN JUNE, WE HAD A REPORT FROM THE CONSULTING FIRM WAS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, THE INDICATIONS WHERE WE WERE DOING VERY WELL, THEY THOUGHT WE STOOD A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE IMPROVE OUR CLASSIFICATION.
UM, AND THEN THEY MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON, ON HOW, HOW WE COULD GET THERE.
SO WE MADE THE PHONE CALL AT THAT POINT WITH MR. UH, CARPENTER'S PERMISSION, WE MADE THE PHONE CALL TO VERISK AND REQUESTED AN OFFICIAL REVIEW ON OCTOBER THE 25TH.
UH, THE REVIEW OCCURRED IN FIRE RISK ADMINISTRATION.
IT TOOK FROM ABOUT EIGHT 30 TO THREE 30.
ALL THE SAME PLAYERS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER WERE THERE, AND WE UNDERWENT THE ACTUAL REVIEW.
THE INSPECTOR INDICATED THAT, UM, IT MAY TAKE AS MUCH AS SIX MONTHS TO ACTUALLY GET INFORMATION FROM THIS REVIEW.
SO ON JANUARY THE 30TH, WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT OUR PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASSIFICATION HAD HAD IMPROVED TO A FOUR SLASH FOUR X.
AND WE BASICALLY RECEIVED, UM, 66, ALMOST 67 POINTS OUT OF A TOTAL OF 105 POINTS, UH, AND MOVED UP FROM WHERE WE WERE IN 2017.
SO LET ME EXPLAIN THIS CLASSIFICATION.
SO BASICALLY YOU'VE HEARD OVER THE YEARS, UM, FIVE MILE DISTANCES FROM THE, FROM THE FIRE STATION.
AND IF YOUR PROPERTY IS WITHIN FIVE MILES OF THE NEAREST FIRE STATION, AND YOU ARE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF A CREDIBLE WATER SUPPLY, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE CREDIBLE WATER SUPPLIES ARE USUALLY LIMITED TO COUNTY FIRE HYDRANTS, THOSE THAT ARE PRESSURIZED SUPPLIED BY THE WATER SYSTEM, THEN YOU CAN RECEIVE A FOUR ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, 10, 1 BEING THE BEST AND 10 BEING THE WORST.
HOWEVER, IF YOUR PROPERTY IS WITHIN FIVE MILES OF THE FIRE STATION, BUT FURTHER THAN A THOUSAND FEET FROM A CREDIBLE WATER SUPPLY, THEN YOU WOULD ACTUALLY QUALIFY TO BE A FOUR X.
AND IN PREVIOUS YEARS, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A FOUR SLASH NINE.
SO ALL OF THIS REALLY, IT'S DETERMINED BY YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY.
WE CAN'T STAND HERE AND TELL YOU THAT INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL ACTUALLY, UM, GIVE A DISCOUNT.
THEY MAY GIVE A DISCOUNT, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY LOOK AT.
UH, AND THIS TAKES EFFECT ON MAY 1ST OF THIS YEAR.
UH, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT IT TAKES TYPICALLY ABOUT SIX MONTHS AFTER THIS TAKES EFFECT FOR THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY TO KIND OF CATCH UP TO THE NEW, THE NEW SCHOOL, THE NEW RATING.
THE GOOD NEWS IS, UM, WE ALWAYS ARE WORKING TOWARDS CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT, AND WE'RE ONLY 3.03 POINTS AWAY FROM A CLASS THREE.
AND SOME OF THE AREAS THAT FIRE RESCUE DETERMINE THAT WE COULD DO BETTER AT IS OUR DEPLOYMENT MODEL.
OUR NUMBERS, UH, PERSONNEL NUMBERS, FIREFIGHTER NUMBERS ON STRUCTURE FIRES, UH, IS DOWN COMPARED TO WHERE WE WERE IN 2017.
AND THIS SORT OF, SO THE WORKFORCE HAS, HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
IN ADDITION, UM, PERSONNEL NUMBERS ARE, ARE DOWN COMPARED TO WHAT THEY WERE IN 2017.
AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO BETTER WITH, UH, TRAINING, GET MORE POINTS IN TRAINING.
UH, WE GOT ABOUT 28 POINTS OF THE TOTAL 50 POINTS AVAILABLE FOR FIRE.
I'M HAPPY TO SAY THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER, UM, ALMOST GOT THE FULL 10 POINTS.
IT WAS JUST A SMIDGE AWAY FROM GETTING THE FULL 10 POINTS.
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE SHERIFF AND THE MAJOR AND THE ECC FOR, FOR THE GOOD WORK THEY DO.
AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT, UH, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC UTILITIES RECEIVED, UH, 28 OUT OF 40 POINTS.
AND THEN YOU GET THAT DIVERGENT SCORE.
UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF, UM, HOW IT, HOW IT ENDED UP.
UM, I'LL, I JUST, I'LL TELL YOU THAT WE, WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT ALONE, UH, WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO, UH, HAVE THE RIGHT RESOURCES TO BE PREPARED FOR IT, AS WELL AS ALL THE COUNTY DEPARTMENTS THAT I MENTIONED.
AND HOPEFULLY, UM, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL ALL TRANSLATE TO SOMETHING GOOD FOR OUR CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES.
AND AS A FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE THREE TO TRY TO GET THERE.
SO ONCE WE MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, TAKE A LOOK, WE'LL GET MORE STAFFING ON DUTY, MORE
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CAREER POSITIONS ADDED, UM, THEN WE CERTAINLY WILL, UH, LOOK AND WE COULD REQUEST ANOTHER REVIEW AT ANY TIME.SO I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR THAT AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, ANYBODY HAD ABOUT ISO BOARD.
AND I THANK, THANK OUR STAFF, SOME OF WHICH ARE IN THE AUDIENCE AND ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
MR. LUKINS, NO, REAL, REAL QUICKLY.
YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU ANSWERED IT RIGHT AT THE END WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST THREE POINTS AWAY.
I WAS WONDERING HOW, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA WAIT ANOTHER FIVE YEARS TO TRY, SO MAY, MAYBE YOU SAID AT ANY TIME WE CAN COME BACK.
UH, WE'VE GOTTA GET OUR NUMBERS, UH, OF PERSONNEL RESPONDING, THE STRUCTURE FIRES UP.
UM, WE'VE GOTTA GET OUR CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS, UM, MORE TRAINING AS WELL AS, UM, AS WELL AS THAT DEPLOYMENT MODEL.
OKAY? AND, AND KEEP IN MIND, KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS ONLY ONE MEASUREMENT.
IT DOES NOT AT ALL CONSIDER ANYTHING RELATIVE TO EMS. AND WE KNOW ABOUT 70% OF WHAT WE DO AND ANY OTHER DEVELOPED FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GONNA BE MAIN, IS GONNA BE MOSTLY EMS CALLS.
AND SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT IN PERSPECTIVE.
IT EVALUATES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND PARTICULARLY AIR ABILITY TO HANDLE ONLY STRUCTURE.
FIRES, DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CAR FIRES, FOREST FIRES, UH, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY, UH, LOOKS AT.
SO PROPERTY LOSSES, MR. YOUR, YOUR REPORT SAYS EMS CALLS ACCOUNT FOR APPROXIMATELY 75% OF THE ANNUAL COST.
THANK YOU FOR THE, I SO REPORT CUZ YOUR REPORT IN THE PACKET JUST SAYS YOU'RE STILL WAITING ON THE RESULTS, SO, RIGHT.
WE HEARD WE'D HEARD THAT A FEW.
THEY CAME, THAT'S EXCITING NEWS.
BUT THAT, THAT ISO MENTIONED IN HERE IS ALSO IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH THAT TALKS ABOUT YOU'RE DEVELOPING A MASTER PLAN.
WE ARE, I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
AND YOU, YOU OUTLINED IN THE REPORT 10 YEAR PLAN THAT ANSWERS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHERE IS THE ORGANIZATION, WHERE DOES IT NEED TO GO? HOW DOES IT, HOW DO WE GET THERE? UM, WHAT'S THE TIMING ON ON YOU STARTING TO, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION.
WE HAD, WE HAD AN EXTREMELY BUSY FALL WITH ISO AND EMS INSPECTION AND FIRE SHOW.
SO WE INTENTIONALLY, UH, STARTED THE MASTER PLAN AFTER THE FIRST YEAR.
AND SO WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED THE MASTER PLAN AND WE HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH THE DOMINIC'S, UH, CONSULTING GROUP.
AND SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY HELPING CONDUCT THE MASTER PLAN.
SO THE MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN KICKED OFF AND IT WILL BASICALLY BE A ROADMAP FOR FIRE RESCUE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
A STRATEGIC PLAN, IT'LL EMPHASIZE, UH, WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHERE WE NEED TO GO AND HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY GET THERE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE WILL BE ALL LEVELS OF ENGAGEMENT, UH, IN THE MASTER PLAN, FULL TRANSPARENCY, SOMETHING THAT ORIGINATED AN IDEA CONCEPT THAT YOU ALL EMBRACED, THAT ORIGINATED WITHIN FIRE RESCUE ADMINISTRATION.
WE WANT TO BE THE BEST WE CAN BE AND WE WANNA BE FULLY TRANSPARENT.
AND SO LOOKING AT THIS, THERE WILL BE, UH, CITIZEN SURVEYS THAT WILL BE INTERNAL STAKEHOLDER SURVEYS.
AND THEN FIRE RESCUE IS ACTUALLY CONDUCTING ITS OWN SERIES OF TOWN HALLS FOR OUR MEMBERS IN ORDER TO GET THEM, UH, FACETIME WITH THE CONSULTANTS.
AND THE CONSULTANTS HAVE REQUESTED TO SPEAK WITH EACH OF YOU, UH, FOR 30 TO MINUTES TO AN HOUR.
AND THEY'RE GONNA BE IN TOWN, UH, BLESS YOU.
THEY'RE GONNA BE IN TOWN ON MARCH, UM, THE 29TH AND 30TH.
AND I KNOW Y'ALL SCHEDULES ARE VERY BUSY, BUT I THINK IT'S, UH, IMPORTANT THAT THEY HEAR FROM YOU AND AS TO WHAT YOUR, YOUR FOCUS ON FIRE RESCUE.
BUT THIS SHOULD BE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE SHOULD HAVE THAT PRODUCT, MR. LUMPKINS, BY THE END OF THE BUDGET YEAR, JUNE, AND, OKAY.
THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD INFORM YOUR, WE WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO GET THE BUDGET AT LEAST THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET DONE.
WELL, SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD SEEM TO VERY MUCH INFORM YOUR BUDGET.
IN FACT, THE, UH, CONSULTANT, UH, SAID, UH, CHIEF FERGUSON, ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANNA DO THIS MASTER PLAN IN THE FALL? GET AHEAD OF YOUR BUDGET? AND WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH.
WE HAD TOO, TOO MUCH ALREADY ON OUR CALENDARS AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER BUDGET.
AND SO I THINK, UH, THE MASTER PLAN WILL BE, UH, POSITIONED IN, IN A GOOD PLACE TO GIVE, UM, MORE, UH, LOOK INTO THE NEXT BUDGET, THE FY 25 REQUEST.
UH, CERTAINLY, UM, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF OPINIONS ABOUT THERE ABOUT HOW, HOW YOU SERVE AND HOW THE DEPARTMENT OPERATES.
AND, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY PEOPLE CAN GIVE YOU THEIR OPINIONS AND OBVIOUSLY WE, WE ARE IN A POSITION TO, TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS TOO.
BUT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN.
IT'S EXCITING TO KNOW IT'LL BE DONE THIS SUMMER.
UM, ARE THERE ANY ESTIMATES OR ON THE IMPACT THAT THE PROPOSED, UH, WEST CREEK STATION WOULD HAVE ON THIS SCORE AND THIS REVIEW? THERE ARE, WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THERE IN WRITING ABOUT IT, BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THE WEST CREEK FIRE STATION, UH, HAS POTENTIAL TO, TO REDUCE RESPONSE TIMES AS WELL AS PLACE MORE FIREFIGHTERS ON THE FIRE GROUND.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT N F P A RECOMMENDS, UH, 15 FIREFIGHTERS
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FOR A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE FIRE, 28 OR SO FOR A BUSINESS, AND THEN 42 OR 43 FOR AN APARTMENT FIRE.WE HAD AN APARTMENT FIRE, UH, BACK IN DECEMBER AND WITH AIR PERSONNEL AND THE NUMBERS AT HENRICO COUNTY SENT MUTUAL AID.
WE HAD 41 PEOPLE ON THAT SCENE.
SO THERE, THERE'S NUMBERS ARE SPOT ON.
SO THE WEST CREEK FIRE STATION HAS, UH, EVERY POTENTIAL TO MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT, UH, IN, IN SOME OF THESE NUMBERS THAT WE WERE, THAT WE SEE AS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE NEXT, UH, NEXT EVALUATION.
THANK YOU CHAIR, MR. PETERSON.
AND, UH, AND THEN JUST TO FOLLOW ON THAT, INCREASING FACILITIES AND WHATNOT, UM, THE VOLUNTEER BOARDS MAKING A SIGNIFICANT REINVESTMENT YES.
IN THE FACILITIES FOR ALL OF OUR STATIONS.
DID DID THAT COME INTO PLAY AT ALL? THE UPGRADING OUR FACILITIES AND WELL, THEY, THEY LOOKED AT ALL THAT.
THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THE SAME GROUP DOES MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLANS.
UM, BUT THIS, THE ISO IS VERY MUCH A STRICT SET OF ASSESSMENT INDICATORS, UH, THAT ONLY LOOK AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ABILITY TO RESPOND AND HANDLE STRUCTURE FIRES.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY LOOKED AT
SO THEY WERE, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT IT.
THEY GOT A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS, BUT
UM, CUZ THAT TO ME IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WELL, I THINK, THINK YOU HIT IT.
THE, THE MASTER PLAN WILL TAKE ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
I EITHER REASON THEY WANT TO TALK TO, TO THE LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS, SURVEYS FROM THE CITIZENS, SURVEYS FROM THE MEMBERS, THE VOLUNTEERS, THE CAREER STAFF, UM, OKAY.
I THINK WE ARE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD BECAUSE OF THEIR EXPERIENCE OF ISO.
THEY COME INTO THE MASTER PLAN ALREADY KNOWING A, A, A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THE COUNTY.
AND NOW THEY NEED TO EXPAND THAT TO THE OTHER 75% OF WHAT WE DO, WHICH IS EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY, UM, DO VERY WELL WITH OUR DELIVERY OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES.
SO, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET, UH, A GOOD PRODUCT OUT OF THAT THAT WILL MAKE SOME REALLY GOOD SUGGESTIONS, UM, AND HOW WE CAN KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
WELL THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS, THANK YOU, SIR.
YOU AND YOUR TEAM JUST DO SO MUCH FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND I DON'T WANNA GET STUCK ON THE ONE THING THAT WAS SORT OF THE NEGATIVE.
COULD YOU JUST SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO, IT SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE TO ME CUZ SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, WE'VE PUT SIG I MEAN, VERY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN PERSONNEL RIGHT FROM 2017.
SO FOR OUR SCORE TO GO DOWN, CAN YOU JUST TALK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT? ABSOLUTELY.
I, I'D BE GLAD TO, GLAD TO DO THAT.
YOU GOTTA THINK, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THIS.
UH, BASED ON THE PERIOD OF TIME WE WERE EVALUATED ON, WE CAME THROUGH A PANDEMIC.
UH, OUR NUMBERS ON, ON SCENES WERE, WERE GENERALLY LOWER, LOWER PARTICIPATION.
UH, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU BASED ON OUR REVIEW IN 2017 WHILE WE DID MOVE UP, OVERALL, THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION MOVED UP.
SOME THINGS ACTUALLY FLIPPED IN 2017.
IF YOU LOOKED AT STRUCTURE FIRE DATA, YOU'D HAVE MORE VOLUNTEER PERSONNEL ON THE SCENE.
AND IF YOU'RE A CAREER PERSONNEL IN 2022 REVIEW, YOU SEE MORE CAREER PERSONNEL ON THE SCENE AND FEWER VOLUNTEERS ON THE SCENE.
AND WE LEARNED, AND, AND I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS, I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS, BUT THIS IS JUST THE FACTS OF THE REVIEW.
WHEN THEY LOOKED AT OUR PERSONNEL, THEY TOOK OUR VOLUNTEER NUMBERS AND DIVIDED 'EM BY THREE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY COME UP WITH, UM, THE AMOUNT OF PERSONNEL.
AND THEY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT RESPONDING FROM HOME IN LONGER RESPONSE TIMES.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S FAIR AND I ABSOLUTELY, UH, WOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT HAD YOU NOT ASKED, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY LOOKED AT.
SO, SO I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE CALLS ARE INCREASING, THE BOARD HAS MADE A TREMENDOUS INVESTMENT IN FIRE RESCUE.
WE'VE MOVED UP A CLASS A PUBLIC CLASSIFICATION SCORE.
UM, BUT THAT IS SOME OF WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH, LOOKING BACK IN TIME WITH THE PANDEMIC, OUR NUMBERS, UH, THEY WORKED THAT DATA EVERY WAY THEY COULD.
UH, HE LOST ME VERY EARLY ON INTO ALL THE CALCULATORS, BUT HE ASSURED US THAT HE WAS GONNA TRY TO GET US THE ABSOLUTE BEST SCORE AND COME OUT OF THAT.
UM, BUT THE ONE THING WE WANNA DO IS WE WANNA EARN THE SCORE.
AND I WOULD RATHER NOT BE A THREE, I'D RATHER BE A FOUR.
IF WE COULD DO SOME THINGS TO MAKE THAT THREE A MORE SOLID FOUNDATION FOR A THREE.
BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE, WE'LL LEARN IT AND WE'LL WORK TOGETHER, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE MISLED BY THAT.
AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND, IT ONLY EVALUATES FIRE, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES IS THE MAJORITY OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO COLLECTIVELY IT'S A LOT GOING ON FOR FIRE RESCUE AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THESE DAYS.
SO, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF.
OKAY, UH, MOVING ON BOARD THE NEXT TO THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORT AND
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ARE IN YOUR PACKETS.UH, PLEASE DIRECT THE APPROPRIATE STAFF IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE FOR US, WE HAVE OUR BROADBAND REPORT.
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GOOD AFTERNOON, PAUL DRUMRIGHT, COMMUNITY AFFAIRS MANAGER.AND, UH, CHIEF FERGUSON'S GONNA BE A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW, BUT I DO HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS FOR YOU AS WELL.
UM, GOING BACK JUST TO TALK ABOUT AND REFRESH WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR BROADBAND AND FOR OUR CITIZENS WHO MAY BE LISTENING OR WATCHING LATER, ANY CITIZEN WHO LIVES IN THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA ELECTRIC CO-OP TERRITORY CAN GET BROADBAND TODAY.
IT IS AVAILABLE THROUGH FIREFLY FIBER BROADBAND.
GO CALL THEM, VISIT THEIR WEBSITE REGISTER.
UH, IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN THOSE AREAS AND YOU LIVE IN THE OTHER AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, MAKE SURE YOU PRE-REGISTER SO THAT YOU GET NOTIFIED ABOUT SERVICE.
UM, SO WHEN THEY ARE IN YOUR AREA THAT YOU CAN GET HOOKED UP WITH SERVICE.
UH, MOVING THROUGH THE CO-OPS, UH, TO RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC CO-OP, THEY ARE CONTINUING TO MAKE PROGRESS AND THEY ARE BUILDING THEIR FIBER RIGHT NOW AND THEIR, THEY'RE SERVICE TERRITORY IN THE COUNTY.
AND SO THEY'RE STILL ON TRACK FOR A CONNECTION, STARTING CONNECTIONS IN SPRING OF 2023.
SO THOSE CITIZENS SHOULD BE SEEING WORK GOING ON NOW FOR THE MIDDLE MILE FIBER.
THEN, UH, WHEN THEY START DOING CONNECTIONS, THAT'LL BE THE LAST MILE FIBER TO THEIR, UH, HOME.
UM, BUT, SO MAKE SURE IF YOU'RE A RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC CO-OP CUSTOMER, MAKE SURE YOU ALSO CONTACT FIREFLY AND GET ON THE LIST SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE IN THE AREA YOU CAN GET HOOKED UP.
UH, MOVING ALONG TO THE DOMINION ENERGY COMPONENT OF IT, DOMINION ENERGY IS CONTINUING TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THEIR PIECE OF THE BROADBAND PROJECT AND BUILDING, UH, OF PLANNING FOR THE MIDDLE MILE.
UH, HAPPY TO REPORT IN, IN, IT WAS IN THE PACKET THAT SET YOUR SEAT AND ALSO SUBMITTED EARLIER, UM, THAT THEY HAVE REMAINING 35.62 MILES LEFT TO DO A DESIGN QUALITY CONTROL ON.
SO THEY'VE COMPLETED 72.67 MILES OF DESIGN THAT IS BEING RELEASED, UH, BEEN APPROVED AND, UH, READY TO MOVE INTO CONSTRUCTION.
WHEN THEY GET TO THAT COMPONENT.
THEY HAVE SIX PROJECTS AND 11.7 MILES STILL REMAINING IN EASEMENT RESEARCH AND ACQUISITION.
THAT'S OUT OF, OF A TOTAL OF 60 PROJECTS IN 108 MILES.
SO THEY GOT SIX PROJECTS AND 11.7 MILES LEFT TO FINISH UP THAT ARE IN EASEMENT AND ACQUISITION, UM, BEFORE THEY CAN GET INTO CONSTRUCTION.
SO, UH, WHERE DOES THAT PUT US? THEY ARE ON TRACK TO HAVE THEIR CONSTRUCTION GOAL.
THEIR GOAL WHEN THEY CAME TO PRESENT WITH TO US WAS FIVE TO SIX MONTHS.
UH, SO WE'RE ABOUT FOUR MONTHS OR SO AWAY FROM CONSTRUCTION, STARTING ON THE MIDDLE MILE FIBER BY DOMINION ENERGY.
AND THAT ONCE THEY GET THAT COMPONENT DONE, FIREFLY IS ABLE TO COME IN AND BUILD THEIR COMPONENT OF THE LAST MILE TO, UH, CITIZENS IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS A LARGE CHUNK OF THE WESTERN END OF THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS THE CHUNK OVER, UH, IN CROZIER, UH, THAT RUNS UP, UH, UH, CARDWELL ROAD.
UM, I HAVE GOTTEN SOME CONFIRMATION THAT DOMINION IN FIREFI HAD BEEN TALKING AND THEY HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT OF WHERE THEY'RE GONNA START.
SO THEY PLAN TO START WORKING IN, UH, SOUTH CENTRAL AREA OF THE COUNTY, OF THE CENTRAL AREA OF THE COUNTY FIRST ON THEIR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND THEN BE BUILDING OUT FROM THAT.
AGAIN, THEIR COMMITMENT IS TO START IN THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS.
IT MAY BE SOONER IF THEY KEEP HITTING THESE NUMBERS, UH, BUT FOUR MONTHS IS WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US.
AND THEN THEY HAVE, THEY REMAIN COMMITTED TO HAVING ALL THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE WORK DONE BY THE END OF 2023 AND HAVE EVERYTHING TURNED OVER TO FIREFLY.
STUFF WILL BE TURNED OVER TO FIREFLY AS IT GETS FINISHED.
SO SOME OF THAT STUFF WILL GET TURNED OVER BEFORE THE END OF 2023, BUT RIGHT NOW THEIR GUARANTEE IS EVERYTHING WILL GET TURNED OVER AT THE END OF 2023.
AND THEN FIREFLY WILL START THEIR PROCESS AND START WORKING ON DOING THE, THE LAST MILE AND START CONNECTIONS AND GOING THROUGH THAT.
AND THEN AS THEY GET CLOSER TO ALL THAT, WE'LL HAVE MORE TIMEFRAMES FROM FIREFLY ON WHEN THOSE AREAS WILL HAVE A START, CONNECTION START DATE.
UM, WITH THAT, UH, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FIREFLY PROJECT.
OUR, UH, OTHER PROJECT IN THE, UH, UH, CARDWELL CROZIER AREA WITH, UH, PORT 80 INTERNET IS COMING TO A CLOSE.
UM, WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT AREA AND TRY TO GET ANYBODY ELSE WE CAN GET, UH, SIGN UP.
UM, BUT SO THAT, THAT PROJECT IS WRAPPING UP, BUT FIREFLY WILL BE COMING INTO THAT AREA AND BUILDING JUST ADJACENT TO IT.
SO THERE, UH, WE HAVE CONNECTIONS
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GOING ON.UM, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON ANY OF THE PROJECTS.
WRIGHT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT DOMINION IS DOING, AND I KNOW THEY'RE DOING EASEMENT WORK NOW CAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THE TRUCKS OUT, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TIMELINE THAT YOU JUST, UH, OUTLAYED, THAT IS THE RISE AREA AND THE RECONNECT, SO, SO THE RECONNECT AREA, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
THE RECONNECT AREA IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE COMPLETELY BY FIREFLY.
SO THAT IS A A U S D A GRANT AND RIGHT, SO IN THAT GRANT, THEY SCOPE THAT TO BE DONE UNDERGROUND FIBER BY FIREFLY.
SO THAT RIGHT NOW IN, IN THAT COMPONENT DOES FALL INTO SOME OF THAT AREA ADJACENT TO WHERE THE DOMINION ENERGY AREA IS.
THAT'S A KIND OF, IT'S, YOU LOOK AT A MAP, IT'S A WEIRD PUZZLE BECAUSE THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES AND METHODS THAT WE'VE HAD TO GO ABOUT DOING IT, UM, THEY ARE ON TRACK FOR RIGHT NOW, A SUMMER START OF SUMMER CONNECTIONS.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN, UH, LAYING, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THE DESIGN WORK, IT SHOWS RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE STILL IN DATA COLLECTION, BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT PROJECT.
AND SO THEY'RE SHOWING A, UH, SUMMER START OF CONNECTIONS THAT'S GONNA BE EASIER AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING THAT PROJECT COMPLETELY.
THEIR CONTRACTORS FIREFLIES, AND THEY HAVE OVER A HUNDRED SOME CONTRACTORS WORKING ON THIS ENTIRE RISE PROJECT.
AND SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME IN AND GET THAT DONE.
AND THAT IS, UM, STRAIGHT GRANT FUNDS FROM THE, UH, U S D A AND, AND THAT IS THE RECONNECT PROGRAM? YES.
I JUST WANNA BE SURE I'M CLEAR.
AND IT'S SI FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM JUST, UH, JUST FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE, UM, RAPPAHANNOCK AREA, SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING UNDERGROUND WORK.
UH, SO IT WOULD GO DEPENDING ON WHERE RAPPAHANNOCK HAS THEIR NETWORK.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
SO IF IT'S UNDERGROUND, THEY'LL BE UNDERGROUND.
IF IT'S ABOVEGROUND, THEY MAY BE ABOVE GROUND.
BUT SO THE RAPPAHANNOCK IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE DOMINION, WHICH IS RAPPAHANNOCK IS HAVING THE MIDDLE MILE FIBER, THEY'RE GONNA OWN IT, LEASE THAT TO FIREFLY, RIGHT.
AND THEN FIREFLY WILL BUILD THE LAST MILE COMPONENT TO THE HOMES.
AND IF YOU MIND ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION.
SO THE, UM, SEC WE DON'T KNOW YET.
I KNOW YOU SAID, UH, APRIL ESTIMATED, UM, AND I GUESS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY STILL TRYING DECIDE HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY WANT, YOU KNOW YEAH.
THEY HAVEN'T, AND WE'LL GET INTO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY LATER, BUT THEY, THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED WHO THOSE PEOPLE MAY BE EXACTLY.
AND, AND HOW MANY MORE THEY WANNA BE ON THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HOLDS ANY OF THIS UP.
WELL, THE S E C DECISION ON THE RATES DOESN'T HOLD THIS UP.
IT IT, IT DOES NOT HOLD IT UP WHATSOEVER.
SO, SO FOR EVERYBODY'S JUST A REFRESHER ON THAT, UH, AS PART OF THE PROJECT AND, AND DOMINION'S COMPONENT TO IT IS THEY'RE GONNA FILE WITH THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION TO GET, UH, A RATE PUT ONTO THE RATE PAYER'S BILL TO RECOUP SOME OF THE COSTS BECAUSE THAT MIDDLE MILE FIBER IS, WHILE IT'S BEING DONE TO BENEFIT OUR PROJECT, IT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST REASON IS TO BENEFIT DOMINION ENERGY AS A COMPANY TO OPERATE THEIR ELECTRICAL NETWORK.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA RECOUP SOME OF THAT COST FOR BUILDING THAT, AND THEN THAT ALLOWS THEM TO ALSO LEASE IT AT A VERY LOW COST TO FIREFLY, WHICH IS THEN ABLE TO DO THE LAST MILE AND THEN TO OFFER SERVICE TO CITIZENS AT A VERY LOW COST.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY, THEY'LL FILE RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, IT PROJECTING APRIL MAY CHANGE DEPENDING ON EVERYTHING, BUT IT DOES NOT HOLD UP CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROJECT WHATSOEVER.
ALL IT MEANS IS THE LONGER IT, UH, IT MAY BE THAT DOMINION WILL BE ON THE HOOK ONCE S E C APPROVES, UH, ADDING A RATE, IF THEY DO APPROVE A RATE, THEN THE RATE PAYROLL WILL HELP MAKE BACK UP THE INVESTMENT THAT DOMINION HAS IS MAKING.
IF THE S ECC RULES THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT, THEN IT IS ON THE, UH, SHAREHOLDERS OF DOMINION TO COVER THE COST.
UM, SO, BUT THAT WILL NOT STOP OUR PROJECT FROM MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEY'VE BEEN CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING ON THAT, THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA SIT AND WAIT.
I'D JUST LIKE THAT YOU WOULD, YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. DRUMRIGHT? THANK YOU, PAUL.
UM, OUR LAST ITEM, UH, OF REPORTS IS THE BOARD
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REPORTS.AND THIS IS, UH, FOR THOSE OF US THAT SERVE ON DIFFERENT BOARDS, UM, IN, WHETHER IN THE REGION OR WITH THE COUNTY.
ANYTHING, SIR? WELL, I, I USUALLY PREPARE MY BOARD REPORT DURING THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING, BUT TODAY I WAS TOTALLY FOCUSED ON THAT MEETING.
SO
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FROM THE, FROM THE TPO, UM, PUT DOWN TENTATIVE DATE, MARCH 17TH, UH, IN THE MORNING FOR, UM, 10 REAL TENTATIVE, BUT WE'LL GET SOMETHING OUT SOON, UM, FOR THE TRANSPORTATION FORM.AND, UH, WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THE CHAMBER RVA, UM, HOPING TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD SHORT PROGRAM.
UM, THE CHAMBER HAS A VISIT TO KANSAS CITY IN MAY, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO SOME THINGS TO LAUNCH THEM TO GO OUT THERE WITH GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, TO BRING BACK SOME INFORMATION.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BROADEN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, POLICY MAKERS.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN, UH, FOCUSED AND SO, AND, AND IT MAY BE AT MAIN STREET STATION TOO.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TENTATIVE VENUE, HOPEFUL VENUE AND, AND TENTATIVE DATE, UM, FOR THAT TRANSPORTATION FORM.
SO CVT AND OTHERS, UH, WE HOPE TO GET SOME, AT LEAST SOME LEADERSHIP.
AND THEN I HAVE A SCHEDULED MEETING WITH THE CHAIR OF THE CBTA AND THE CHAIR OF PLAN RVA COMING UP, UH, NEXT WEEK, I THINK, TO JUST CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS OF HOW, YOU KNOW, THE THREE BODIES CAN CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER AND COORDINATE.
SO, UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
WE SHOULD, WE'VE TALKED, I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE ABOUT THE COST OVERRUNS AND HOW, HOW THE TPO IS LOOKING AT, UH, SOME METHODOLOGY THAT'S BEFORE OUR ATTACK, OUR ATTACK, UM, AND, AND OUR TRANSPORTATION TEAM HERE, UH, LOOKING FOR SOME ENGAGED PARTICIPATION FROM OUR ADMINISTRATION AND, AND IN THE TAC LEVEL SO THAT WE CAN TAKE SOME GOOD THINGS TO THE TPO.
WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING, UH, QUICK SUMMARY IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT PROJECTS, PARTICULARLY OLDER PROJECTS, THE COST OVERRUNS ARE, YOU KNOW, IN INSANELY HIGH.
AND SO BOARD MEMBERS ARE ASKING QUESTIONS, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CAUSE OF THOSE? AND, AND SO WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED SOME OPTIONS AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT TRYING TO DECIDE AHEAD OF TIME, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME IS SOMETIMES IF WE TAKE PROJECTS ON EARLIER, IF THE TPO EMBRACES A PROJECT EARLY IN ITS PLANNING THAT SOMETIMES WE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAPS AND AND DIAGRAMS, YOU CAN TEND TO HAVE OVERRUNS WHEN, YOU KNOW, A PROJECT HASN'T BEEN PLANNED OUT.
UH, YOU KNOW, TO A, TO A GREAT EXTENT.
SO LOTS OF MOVING PARTS, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'VE, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE SINCE THE CBTA CAME, CAME AROUND A FEW YEARS AGO, YOU'RE SEEING BOARD MEMBERS AND AND RICHMOND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MUCH MORE ENGAGED IN TRANSPORTATION.
AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA END UP YIELDING GOOD THINGS FOR OUR REGION AS, AS THESE THESE BODIES CONTIN CONTINUE TO STAY ENGAGED IN OUR TRANSPORTATION, REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.
MR. WATERS, ANYTHING MR. PETERSON? YEAH, MR. CHAIR, JUST REAL QUICKLY, UM, THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE DID MEET AND WE, UH, HELD OUR ELECTIONS, OUR REORGANIZATION MEETING, AND, UH, I WAS REELECTED CHAIR FOR ANOTHER SESSION, AND, UH, VICE CHAIR WAS, UH, SUPERVISOR OF OTTERS WAS ELECTED THE VICE CHAIR.
UH, GOING FORWARD, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, SECOND QUARTER PROJECTIONS AND REPRO PROJECTIONS.
AND I WON'T GO INTO DETAILS BECAUSE IT'S ON OUR AGENDA UNDER NEW BUSINESS, AND SO WE CAN KIND OF COVER THAT.
UH, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, ECONOMIC OUTLOOK AND BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT GOING FORWARD AS WE START TO FORMULATE OUR THOUGHTS ON THE, UH, THE UPCOMING BUDGET SESSION.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR.
UM, FROM A CVT A PERSPECTIVE, UH, WE DID NOT HAVE, WE DID NOT MEET LAST TIME, ALTHOUGH, UH, CHAIR, CHAIR, KEVIN CARROLL FROM CHESTERFIELD COUNTY AND MYSELF DID A PRESENTATION TO THE, UH, ROTARY, THE GUTEN ROTARY CLUB.
UH, THAT WAS, UH, WELL, VERY WELL RECEIVED.
AND WE WERE, WERE WORKING TO GET MR. CARROLL HERE FOR OUR EVENING MEETING, UH, IN MARCH, TO GIVE THAT PRESENTATION TO KIND OF GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF HOW THE CBTA WORKS AND HOW GIN HAS, HAS REALLY BENEFITED FROM THAT.
UM, ALSO, UH, I THINK MR. CARPENTER AND I, FROM A PLAN RVA PERSPECTIVE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S, UM, BECAME REALLY CLEAR TO ME WHEN, UM, GETTING INTO PLANNING, ESPECIALLY FROM THE REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE, IS A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE, UH, FOLKS AT WARFARE PLAN RVA ARE URBAN PLANNERS.
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND RURAL PLANNING.
AND I'VE KIND OF BEEN LOBBYING FOR, FOR THAT TO CHANGE.
AND, UH, TO THE DIRECTOR'S CREDIT, SHE HAS KIND AHEAD AND, AND HIRED A PART-TIME, UH, STAFF MEMBER THAT'S GOING TO FOCUS ON RURAL PLANNING, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT.
MR. CARPENTER, MR. CARPENTER AND I HAVE SORT OF VOLUNTEERED TO BE THE ONE OF THE FIRST ONES TO BENEFIT FROM THAT.
UM, PUSHING FOR THAT CUZ UH, THEY JUST DON'T GET IT.
UM, LET'S, UH, GO AHEAD AND, UH, WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, MR. CARPENTER, IF YOU COULD PLEASE READ
[X. Consent Agenda]
EACH ITEM BOARD, THEN WE'LL DISCUSS.WE WANT TO TAKE THEM AS A SLATE OR BREAK THEM UP.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, YOU HAVE TWO ITEMS ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON.
ITEM 56 14 IS A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING AND APPROPRIATING $31,341 FROM THE FOREST SUSTAINABILITY FUND AWARD FROM
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THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY TO SUPPORT PROJECTS RELATED TO OUTDOOR RECREATION AND AUTHORIZING COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE AWARD RELATED DOCUMENTS.THE SECOND ITEM, 55 57, IS A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING APPROPRIATING 1,185,000 FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS, I'M SORRY, FROM THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT AND JOBS ACT GRANT AWARD FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY FOR THE PURCHASE OF THREE ELECTRIC SCHOOL BUSES AND AUTHORIZING COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE GRANT-RELATED DOCUMENTS.
THANK YOU, MR. CARPENTER, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? BOARD? MS. LAS FLAT.
UM, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, THIS HAS TO BE A MOTION OR JUST REQUEST.
I JUST, I JUST REQUEST THAT WE, UH, SPLIT THESE TWO ITEMS AND CONSIDER THEM SEPARATELY.
I MOVE THAT, UH, WE APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE AS PRESENTED SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? BOARD? SEE NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AND WE'RE ONTO THE SECOND, UH, AGENDA ITEM FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE, THE GRANT FOR THE ELECTRONIC BUSES MS. LAST CLA.
UM, SO I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR, FOR MR. I
[2. 5557: Resolution accepting and appropriating a $1,185,000 federal Infrastructure,]
MEAN, DR.RELEY, IF YOU HAVE, OR, OR MS. WHITE, WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO DR.
RAIL HAD HE APOLOGY ADVISED HE HAD TO STEP OUT TO TAKE A CALL.
AND I HAVE, UH, ROSIE, OUR WHITE YES.
UH, TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, WHEN THIS WAS FIRST, UM, PRESENTED TO US, I WAS VERY DUBIOUS.
I SAT DOWN WAS IT'S HOLLOMAN OR HO HOLMAN HOLMAN.
I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE DUBIOUS THE MORE I'M LOOKING AT IT AGAIN.
SO IF YOU JUST HELP ME WALK THROUGH THIS AND I'M GONNA TRY AND MAKE IT AS QUICK AS I POSSIBLY CAN.
UH, SO FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT A GRANT.
IT WORKS SIMILAR TO A GRANT, BUT YOU HAVE TO PUT THE MONEY UP FRONT FIRST.
SO, UH, UH, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, THE FINANCING OF THIS.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME THE DATE THAT YOU WERE NOTIFIED THAT YOUR APPLICATION HAD BEEN ACCEPTED? YES, MA'AM.
WE WERE NOTIFIED ON OCTOBER 25TH, 2022.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SIX MONTH WINDOW, SO WE'RE STILL WELL WITHIN THAT, UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ITEMS IN THIS PROGRAM IS WE HAVE TO SCRAP OLDER BUSES.
AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, IT, IT BREAKS MY HEART.
I HATE DESTROYING SOMETHING THAT STILL WORKS.
BUT THIS IS PART OF THE PROGRAM.
SO IF WE GET THREE ELECTRIC BUSES, WE HAVE TO DESTROY THREE DIESEL BUSES NOW.
SO I WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT FOR JUST A MINUTE.
SO THIS, YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO CREATE A THREE INCH DIAMETER OR A LARGER HOLE IN THE ENGINE BLOCK AND ALSO, UH, CRUSH ONE OF THE CHASSIS RAILS.
SO, I MEAN, THIS ABSOLUTELY DESTROYS THE BUS, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO ANYTHING.
ANYTIME THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE EPA IS INVOLVED IN SOMETHING.
THERE'S SOMETHING CRAZY LIKE THIS.
SO THERE ARE THREE BUSES THAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA SCRAP.
CAN YOU GIMME THE YEARS OF THOSE BUSES? YEP.
UM, AND ARE, ARE THESE BUSES CURRENTLY IN USE? NO.
SO, UH, ONE OF THE GUIDELINES WAS THAT, UM, THEY HAD TO, WE HAD TO SHOW THAT THEY WERE USED THREE DAYS OR MORE ON AVERAGE A WEEK FOR LIKE THE 20 TO 21, UM, CALENDAR YEAR.
SO ROSIE, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO F IT'S HARD TO READ
SO YOU'RE, YOU MEET THE GUIDELINES THERE AND THEY'RE NOT BEING USED NOW AT ALL? NO.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY NOT IN SERVICE.
SO IF YOU REPLACE IT WITH THESE THREE, AND I'LL GET INTO IT IN JUST A MINUTE, THAT I THINK IT CHANGES YOUR CIP P BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE THREE BUSES THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY NEW, THAT YOU'RE NOT REPLACING OLD BUSES.
I MEAN, YOU ARE REPLACING OLD BUSES, BUT INOPERABLE BUSES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
OKAY, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE C I P, UM, SO ON THE COST, SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A PURCHASE ORDER, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE SCHOOL BOARD APPROVED ONE, UH, WHAT THE NUMBER IS? 1 MILLION, 1 65?
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YES.AND THAT IS FOR THE COST OF THE THREE BUSES? CORRECT.
WE APPROVED OVER THAT AMOUNT BECAUSE WE HAVE OPTIONS ON THE BUSES.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I, OKAY, GOOD.
I WANTED TO GET, GET INTO THAT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA CLAIM, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, THE 1 MILLION 1 65 NUMBER OUT OF THE REBATE PROGRAM.
WE ARE CLAIMING $1,185,000 TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE AWARDED, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO OF THAT, UM, 1,125,000 IS TOWARDS THE THREE BUSES AT $375,000 EACH.
THE BUSES WE ARE PURCHASING WILL COST MORE THAN THAT.
UM, OUR, OUR APPROVAL WAS THAT THERE WAS, UM, ABOUT A $13,608 SURPLUS ON TOP OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE CHOSE ON THOSE FOR LOCAL TO GET 'EM UP TO LIKE QUOTE, LOCAL STANDARD OR WE WANT TO SAY MA'AM, SAVE LIKE THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO THE THREE BUSES ARE, SO THE 1 MILLION 1 65, 824 DOES INCLUDE THE UPGRADES THAT WE'RE GONNA DO TO THE BUSES, RIGHT? THE ADDING THE OPTIONS THAT, THAT ARE, ARE LOCAL OPTIONS? YES, MA'AM.
SO THAT, OKAY, THEN THAT LEAVES YOU LIKE $19,000, UM, TO BE APPLIED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IT, IT IS, IT IS $20,000 THAT IS USED JUST UNDER FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
RIGHT? SO FOR EACH OF THE THREE BUSES, WE GET $20,000 GOING TOWARDS STRUCTURE.
SO $1,125,000 IS GOING TOWARDS THE BUS PURCHASE.
AND 60,000 IS GOING TOWARDS THE INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT WE CAN CHARGE THOSE BUSES.
SO NOW, NOW YOU'VE MADE ME MORE CONFUSED.
UH, SO THE 1 MILLION 1 65 A 24 IS FOR SCHOOL BUSES ONLY.
SO OUT OF THE 1 65, SO YOU, SO, SO WE'VE GOT $20,000 LEFT OVER OUT OF THE REBATE PROGRAM BECAUSE 1 MILLION, 180 5 MINUS ONE ONE 1 MILLION, 1 65 IS 19,700.
SO THAT $20,000 IS GONNA GO TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE? YES.
SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE THEN IS, IS THE DOMINION DEAL.
SO DOMINION IS A HUNDRED AND LOOKS LIKE 114,000, MINUS 20.
I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS OUR COST LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 40 GRAND.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE IS NUMBER ONE, WHERE'S THE 1 MILLION 180 5 COMING FROM? IF WE APPROPRIATE IT? DOES IT COME OUT OF YOUR C I P OR IS THAT MONEY COMING FROM IT? IT IS.
ONCE YOU APPROPRIATE THIS, IT WILL GO, WE WILL HAVE REVENUE AND EXPENSES IN OUR FEDERAL GRANT FUND.
SO WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU THE 1 MILLION 180 5.
WE WILL GET THAT FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY.
AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A, A PURCHASE ORDER BEFORE YOU CAN GET YOUR REBATE.
SO AS SOON AS YOU APPROPRIATE, WE'LL HAVE PERMISSION TO FINALIZE THE PURCHASE ORDER AND PUT THE ORDER IN.
IT'LL TAKE 18 MONTHS BEFORE WE HAVE TO PAY THAT BILL, BECAUSE THAT'S THE LEAD TIME ON THESE ELECTRIC BUSES.
THE SAME WITH THE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE HAVE $60,000 THAT WE WILL GIVE TO DOMINION TO ORDER THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND SO THOSE TWO PURCHASE ORDERS WILL BE GIVEN TO, UM, EPA.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE HAD A SIX MONTH WINDOW.
SO BY APRIL, MID-APRIL, WE HAVE TO HAVE GIVEN THEM THOSE TWO PURCHASE ORDERS TO SAY THAT WE ARE ACCEPTING THEIR AWARD.
WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DEADLINE.
YOU HAVE TO DO THAT IN SIX MONTHS, RIGHT? WITHIN SIX MONTHS, YES, MA'AM.
SO, SO NOW, SO RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR IN A CIP P FOR BUSES.
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AND THEN IN YEAR 25, NOW, THE, THE NEW ONE MAY, MAY UP IT A LITTLE, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR FOR THREE YEARS AND GOES TO 1 25.SO ARE YOU PLANT, HAVE YOU BOUGHT A BUS IN 22 FISCAL YEAR 22? YES, MA'AM.
AND THEN FISCAL YEAR 23, WHICH WOULD BE ENDING THIS JUNE, HAVE YOU BOUGHT A, UH, HAVE YOU PURCHASED A BUS FOR THAT MONEY? YES.
SO WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THE REST OF THE MONEY? SO IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET, WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR TWO BUSES.
SO THE CIP P DOES NOT COVER ALL OF OUR BUS DEMAND.
WE HAVE THREE BUSES WE NEED EVERY YEAR.
AND SO WE BUY ONE OUTTA THE CIP P AND TWO OUT OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET.
SO, SO YOU DON'T PUT ALL YOUR BUSES IN THE C I P? NO, MA'AM.
WHAT? IT'S SHARE EXPENSIVE BY SOME QUESTION.
SO YOU WOULD MAYBE DELAY ANOTHER BUS TO, TO COVER THIS, MAYBE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, $150,000? YES, MA'AM.
THAT, AND, AND THAT'S HOW WE INFORMED OUR BOARD THAT THE OPTIONAL EXPENSES, UM, THAT WE NEED FOR THIS AND THE ANY, ANYWAYS, THE OVERAGE IS GOING TO COME UNDER THE COST OF A SCHOOL BUS, A DIESEL BUS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GIVE UP ONE SCHOOL BUS? YES, MA'AM.
OUT OF THIS YEAR'S OPERATING BUDGET OUTTA THE 23 MM-HMM.
UM, AND I GUESS DOWN THE ROAD I GET, WELL, THESE, LIKE 15 YEAR BATTERY LIFE KIND OF MM-HMM.
UM, I GUESS AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE NOW, BUT 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW, INSTEAD OF A HUNDRED HUNDRED 25,000, I PUT 400,000 RIGHT.
AND I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADJUST YOUR, UH, BUDGET AS WELL AS OUR CIP P WE HAVE COULD YOU START REPLACING THESE? WE HAVE 15 YEARS TO MAKE A DECISION OKAY.
AS TO HOW WE WILL, UM, BUILD OUR FLEET.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CHARGING STATION.
THEY'RE GONNA INSTALL, THEY'RE GONNA MAINTAIN IT.
IT'S EIGHT FOR EIGHT CHARGING STATIONS.
SO WHEN WE'VE GOT THREE BUSES YES, MA'AM.
SO, AND DOMINION'S TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE USING, YOU KNOW, 60% OF IT DOMINION.
UM, THE, THE TWO CHARGING STATIONS THEY PUT IN CAN HANDLE EIGHT BUSES.
THAT IS, WE DON'T HAVE TO, THAT, THAT IS THEIR, UM, STANDARD PROCESS.
THAT, THAT'S THEIR DECISION TO PUT IN ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE TO COVER RIGHT ACROSS KINDA LIKE THEIR MINIMUM MAYBE.
AND I THINK GETTING TOWARDS THE END HERE, SO THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE VEHICLES, I CAN SEE OF THEM DEFINITELY BEING DIFFERENT.
SO WHAT, WHAT PLANS DO WE HAVE ON TRAINING? UM, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE GRANT CAN BE USED FOR TRAINING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE MANUFACTURER OFFERS TRAINING.
SO, SUNNY MERRIMAN, UM, THEY'RE GONNA TRAIN OUR PERSONNEL INCLUDING, UM, FIRST RESPONDERS AS WELL.
SO BOTTOM LINE IS, YOU GUYS THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.
C C CAN YOU TELL ME WHY IN A FEW WORDS? YEAH, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR DRIVER RETENTION.
WE HAVE UPDATED, UM, TECHNOLOGY.
WE ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, WE'RE, WE'RE INCURRING ALL THESE FUEL PRICES GOING UP.
UM, LESS OF THE FUMES ON OUR SCHOOL BUSES WHERE WE CURRENTLY IDLE.
UM, SO NO FUMES ARE GOING INTO OUR SCHOOL BUILDINGS, SO A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR DRIVERS AND OUR CHILDREN.
FUMES FROM OUTSIDE, YOU MEAN? FROM CURRENTLY IDLING WITH DIESEL BUSES.
I I HAD THE SAME QUESTION AT THE VERY END.
WHY? I MEAN, THE, THE SCHOOL BOARD'S COMING TO SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL BOARD ARE COMING TO US WITH A REQUEST.
WHEN I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, I REMEMBER WE WERE PLANNING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A BUS.
UM, WHAT IS THE NUMBER YOU'RE PLUGGING IN RIGHT NOW FOR ONE DIESEL BUS? 125,000.
SO WE'RE NOW SPENDING CLOSE TO 400 CORRECT.
AND I THINK YOUR ANSWER, MA'AM, AS TO THE REASONS TO DO IT, UH,
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WELL, AT LEAST ON THE FUMES AND THAT SORT OF THING.AND THE EIGHT CHARGING STATIONS TELLS ME THAT YOU'RE GOING DOWN A PATH THAT IS, IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SAID IN TERMS OF WE HAVE 15 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT OUR FLEET.
I DON'T THINK YOU, YOU WOULDN'T DO THIS.
WELL, YOU'RE ONLY DOING THIS BECAUSE THE MONEY IS THERE OR THERE'S, THERE'S A VISION TO MOVE TO ELECTRIC BUSES.
I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT'S THE CASE.
SO IF THERE'S A VISION TO MOVE TO ELECTRIC BUSES, GOT TO, AND MAYBE NOT OVER THIS, OVER THIS DECISION TODAY.
I MEAN, THE BOARD, THIS BOARD NEEDS TO DECIDE, BUT, BUT GOOD GRIEF, YOU'RE SPENDING A WHOLE LOT MORE PER THESE BUSES.
AND, UM, WHAT'S THE FUEL SAVINGS? HAVE YOU PROJECTED FUEL SAVINGS FROM ADDING THREE BUSES TO A FLEET OF HOW MANY ACTIVE BUSES WE HAVE? SORRY.
SO OUR CURRENT DIESEL IS ABOUT, UM, SEVEN, UM, DIESEL GALLONS CONSUMED IS ABOUT 2000, CURRENTLY AVERAGE FOUR THREE BUSES.
AND SO YOU'RE GETTING READY TO TELL ME THE CONSUMPTION.
YOU, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BACK IN DO, OH, I'M SORRY.
DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER? DO YOU KNOW? I DO NOT.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THREE BUSES IS GOING TO SAVE YOU IN FUEL COSTS? I DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
SO IT LOOKS ABOUT 8,000 PER YEAR? YES.
83 BUSES IS GONNA SAVE $8,000 A YEAR.
AND A, THAT'S ABOVE THE COST OF THE ELECTRICITY.
THAT'S INCLUDING THAT IT TAKES A NEW ACCOUNT, WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA COST TO CHARGE THEM.
YES, WE HAD, WELL, THE COST, I THOUGHT WE'RE GETTING THAT FREE, AREN'T WE? WHERE AM I? OH, JUST THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
SO THE CHARGE US THE ELECTRICITY, WE, WE DON'T GET THE FREE ELECTRIC.
SO ELECTRIC FUEL SAVINGS, 5,300.
THE ELECTRIC FUEL SAVINGS, 5,300 A BUS.
THAT'S THE SAVINGS THAT WILL GET PERFORMING PER BUS.
SO NOT EVEN TAKING TIME, VALUE OF MONEY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I TOOK 50 50, 300 TIMES 15, SORRY.
I MEAN THE, IF I COULD PLEASE, THAT'S WHY I SAID TIME VALUE OF MONEY HOPING
BUT, UM, DIESEL BUS, 1 25, ELECTRIC BUS.
HOW MUCH? 3 75? NO, I'M JUST 200,000 OR, OR YEAH.
SO IF OVER 15 OR 20 YEAR REPLACEMENT CYCLE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING MORE THAN 10 MILLION MORE THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE AT OUR CIP P IS THAT, THAT'S SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.
AND WE'RE SAVING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF FUEL.
WHAT ALONG FISHING AROUND HERE FOR IS THE BIG PICTURE, FISCAL IMPACT OF THE COUNTY OVER THE LONGER POLE AND WHAT PRESSURES THAT'S GONNA PUT ON OUR FUTURE BUDGETS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE NUMBERS EVEN CLOSE.
200,000 A BUS, 50 BUSES 10 MILLION.
WE GOT 55 BUSES, NOT 50, AND WE GOT, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN 200 PER BUS.
SO IT'S REALLY MORE 11, 12 MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS, UM, TO REPLACE AN INCREMENTAL ADDITIONAL COST TO REPLACE OUR FLEET IS THAT WE DO NOT, WE DO NOT THINK THESE ELECTRIC BUSES ARE A VIABLE OPTION FOR OUR COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED RANGE.
SO WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT REPLACING OUR WHOLE FLEET WITH ELECTRIC BUSES.
WE ARE LOOKING AT REPLACING SOME OF OUR FLEET WITH ELECTRIC BUSES BECAUSE THESE BUSES CAN BE CENTRALIZED AND HAVE SHORTER ROUTES.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE TRYING THREE BUSES BECAUSE IT'S A MINIMAL COST FOR US RIGHT NOW.
UM, IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO, TO SEE IF ELECTRIC BUSES WILL WORK IN THIS COUNTY.
THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL INSIGHT, BECAUSE IT GOES TO YOUR QUESTION, ARE WE DOING THIS CUZ THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE OR ARE WE DOING THIS LONGER TERM TO UPGRADE THE WHOLE FLEET? AND THAT 10, 12 MILLION INCREMENTAL INCREASE OVER WHAT THE OTHER COSTS ARE, UH, IS, IS A PRETTY, PRETTY SIZABLE, UH, EXPENDITURE IF IT'S JUST BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY THERE AND EXPERIMENTAL, THAT'S MAYBE
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A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY.SO THAT'S WHY I THINK WE WERE PROBING TO FIND OUT WHERE OTHER SCHOOLS ARE ON THIS.
IS IT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE, AGAIN, LONGER TERM WE'RE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST OPPORTUNISTIC IN ITS LOW HANGING FRUIT? I MEAN, AM I MAKING MYSELF CLEAR? AM I, THERE ARE MANY, MANY SCHOOL DIVISIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE APPLIED FOR THIS GRANT FUNDING.
THEY HAVE ASKED FOR ELECTRIC BUSES IN OUR FLEET, AND WE ARE SOMEWHAT RESPONSIVE TO OUR STUDENT BODY TO SHOW THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE ENVIRONMENT SAFER FOR THEM.
BUT IT IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION FOR OUR WHOLE FLEET.
BUT WE CAN SHOW THAT, THAT WE ARE AWARE THEIR CONCERNS WITH THESE BUSES, THESE THREE BUSES.
MR. VAERS, UM, CAN YOU J GIVE ME A LITTLE EXPLANATION ON THE ONE, THE $1.185 MILLION MM-HMM.
NUMBER IS THAT YOU APPLIED FOR THE GRANT? THEY'RE LOOKING AT OUR DISTRICT SIZE.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT VARIOUS ELEMENTS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DECIDED WE GET FOR THREE BUSES OR, I MEAN, IT'S A FORMULA IN, IN MANY WAY.
AND IT, IT IS WHAT WE APPLIED FOR, WE APPLIED FOR THREE BUSES BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE COULD MANAGE THREE BUSES IN THE CENTRAL PART OF THIS COUNTY TO SEE IF IT WOULD WORK.
WE COULD HAVE APPLIED FOR UP TO 25, 25 PTAN TO THE SOUTH OF US.
UM, WE, WE APPLIED FOR WHAT WE THOUGHT WE COULD HANDLE AS WE DETERMINE IF THIS WAS A VIABLE OPTION FOR US.
LET'S, SO, SO PTAN IS GONNA PUT A BULLET IN THE HEAD OF 25 BUSES.
I MEAN, THAT'S YEP, THAT'S 2020.
UM, SO BUT YOU'RE SAYING THE THREE BUSES THAT YOU'RE GONNA DISABLE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT IN, THEY, THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN CORRECT.
BUT THEY, BUT THEY'VE BEEN ON THE ROAD RECENTLY ENOUGH TO QUALIFY? THAT'S RIGHT.
WHEN, WHEN WE SELL A BUS AT THAT AGE, THE BEST WE'RE GETTING IS $2,000.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, WE PUT THESE BUSES UP FOR AUCTION EVERY YEAR.
SO SOMEBODY WILL GIVE US 2000.
THAT'S BETTER THAN, THAT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING BETTER.
UM, ONE IS, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE CIP P THAT THERE'S ONE BUS ON THE COUNTY SIDE OF THE CIP P AND THEN MM-HMM.
WITH, WITH THESE THREE, WOULD THAT MILLION ONE GO TO OFFSET SOME ON EACH SIDE OF THAT LEDGER OR JUST ALL ON THE SCHOOL SIDE OF THAT LEDGER? WE ARE NOT TAKING TWO BUSES OUT OF OUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.
WE ARE RETAINING THE TWO BUSES.
I BELIEVE THE CURRENT CIP P HAS A BUS OUT FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO BY MY ASK THAT JUST GONNA ACCOMMODATE GROWTH IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO YOU'RE GONNA ADD BUSES.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE NOT TAKING ANY OUT OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, OPERATING BUDGET AND USING THIS MONEY TO REPLACE IT.
YOU'RE STILL GONNA SPEND MONEY ON THE SCHOOL BUDGET TO ADD ADDITIONAL.
WE, WE HAVE $250,000 OF OUR FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET GOING TOWARDS TWO MORE BUSES.
WE ARE NOT USING THIS AS A REPLACEMENT AT THIS POINT.
AND IF YOU WERE TO REPLACE THREE OF YOURS, MAYBE ONE OF THOSE, ONE OF THOSE FALLS ON OUR SIDE OF THE LEDGER.
IS THAT THE WAY THAT WORKS? NEVERMIND, YOU DON'T NEED TO ASK, ASK THAT.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD REAL QUICK WAS, UM, UH, IF CHIEF EDDIE WOULDN'T MIND COMING FORWARD, YOU MENTIONED THERE'D BE SOME TRAINING FOR THE, UH, FIRE RESCUE FOLKS, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST COMING FORWARD REAL QUICK.
UM, YEAH, MY QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE ALONG THE LINES OF, IN HIS, IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, WHAT WOULD THE DIFFERENCES BE THAT HE, IN HIS RESPONSE TO A DIESEL VERSUS AN ELECTRIC BUS, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE PREPARED TO DISCUSS AT THIS POINT, CHIEF OR, YES, SIR.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO, TO SHARE THE INFORMATION.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, FIRE SUPPRESSION TACTICS ARE FOREVER EVOLVING OR ELECTRICAL ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
UM, THERE ARE, UH, BLANKETS THAT, UH, ARE ABLE TO BE PURCHASED.
I WAS TALKING TO A SALESPERSON LAST NIGHT ABOUT, UM, BLANKETS THAT STRETCH OVER TOP OF A ELECTRIC CAR THAT, UH, SMOTHER THE FIRE, UH,
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AS WELL AS, UM, OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION.UH, BUT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT, UM, WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS OF, UH, THE ELECTRICAL HAZARD THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT, AS WELL AS, UM, IT TAKES COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF WATER TO EXTINGUISH, UH, AN ELECTRIC, UH, CAR.
I DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE, PER SE WITH AN ELECTRIC BUS.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE BATTERY BANKS WOULD PROBABLY BE LARGER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IN A CAR.
UH, AS WELL AS, UM, WHAT WE HAVE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT IF WE GO ON 64 OR WE DEAL WITH AN ELECTRIC CAR, THEN IN SOME CASES, UH, PROVIDED THERE'S NO LIFE SAFETY HAZARD INVOLVED, IT MAY BE, UH, MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE TO LET THE FIRE BURN BECAUSE THE RUNOFF ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, THE BATTERIES, UH, CAN, COULD BE HAZARDOUS, HAZARDOUS TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO ALL THESE THINGS BEING SAID, ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE, UM, ON THE RISE AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE SEEN FIRES IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN THE COUNTY, UH, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN MORE THE HYBRID VEHICLES THAT OPERATE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, A COMBINATION OF, OF GAS AND, AND ALSO ELECTRIC.
I WILL ALSO TELL YOU AND CHIEF WATKINS CAN, UM, CAN CERTAINLY VERIFY, UM, WE HAVE PASSES, UH, AT THE VIRGINIA FIRE RESCUE CONFERENCE COMING AT THE END OF THE MONTH TO VIEW, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST ELECTRIC FIRE ENGINES.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, UH, TO SEE WHAT WE CAN LEARN ABOUT IT.
NOW, WHAT WE HEAR ABOUT THE FIRE ENGINES, YOU KNOW, IS ONE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU BUILD A FIRE STATION, YOU HAVE ELECTRIC FIRE ENGINES, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TO RUN THE RIGHT ELECTRICAL SERVICE TO THE FIRE STATION TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE CONDUIT UNDER YOUR BAY FLOORS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THE FIRE INDUSTRY TURNING THIS, UH, CORNER THAT FAST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME FOLKS WHO PRESENT ON ELECTRIC FIRE ENGINES TALK ABOUT FIRE ENGINES ARE ON THE SCENE FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME.
SO THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT A GENERATOR ON THE FIRE ENGINE IN CHARGE OF BATTERIES WHILE YOU'RE ON THE FIRE SCENE.
SO I, I, I DON'T KNOW, I I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLE FIRES IS, UH, SOMETHING I THINK EVERY FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT IS, UH, IS LOOKING AT TRYING TO PREPARE FOR.
AND I HAD HEARD THAT, UM, I WANNA SAY MAYBE NORTHERN VIRGINIA FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD JUST PURCHASED ONE OF THESE BLANKETS, UH, AT THE PRICE OF A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS TO, TO USE TO DEAL WITH, UH, ELECTRIC CARS, PASSENGER VEHICLES ON FIRE.
SO I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON THE BUS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UH, BUT HOPEFULLY I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION REGARDING FIRE, TAXI, CHIEF WATKINS, ANYTHING.
YOU'VE PROBABLY HAD MORE, UM, TRAINING ON THE, THE MATTER THAN I HAVE, SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO, UH, DEPRIVE HIM OF ANSWER.
DEPUTY CHIEF WATKINS, UM, THE REGIONAL OPERATIONS GROUP HAS COME UP WITH SOME, SOME IDEAS ON HOW TO MANAGE IT.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE NOT DEALT WITH THE VOLUME OF, UH, VEHICLE FIRES THAT ELECTRIC VEHICLE FIRES THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, CALIFORNIA HAS.
UM, THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF WATER THAT'LL BE NEEDED TO SUPPRESS IT AND IT CAN BURN FOR WEEKS IF IT'S ON FIRE.
UM, THE ONE VEHICLE, WE, THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE, WE HAD HAD TO TAKE SPECIAL PRECAUTIONS TO HAVE IT TOWED AWAY WHEN, WHEN THAT INCIDENT OCCURRED.
SO, BUT THE, THE LESSON FOR, FOR THAT ONE WAS A HYBRID THAT WAS ABLE TO BE EXTINGUISHED RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
THE CHALLENGES, ALL ELECTRICS ARE SEVERAL THOUSAND GALLONS.
I, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A DEVELOPING EDGE AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE TO DRAW ON YET, BUT ALL I WANTED WAS THE WHATEVER THE MOST CURRENT THINKING IS, AND YOU'VE SHARED THAT WITH ME, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UH, IN PRIOR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE FIRE HAZARD, I BELIEVE I UNDERSTOOD THAT, UM, IF, UH, ONE OF THESE BUSES DID HAVE A FIRE, A BATTERY FIRE, WE MORE THAN LIKELY WOULD NOT HAVE THE WATER TO PUT IT OUT AND BE A TOTAL LOSS.
RAYLEY, UM, WE HAVE CHECKED WITH OUR, UH, INSURANCE CARRIER AND THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE A $400,000 BUS, UH, IF THERE IS A FIRE.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT, UH, CHIEF THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR BEGIN WITHOUT? IT'S HARD TO KNOW.
I KNOW WE'RE SPECULATING AS TO WHERE IT IS, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME AND, AND ALL THAT.
AND AS THE CHIEF ALLUDED, THIS IS AN INVOLVING CHIEF, I'M SORRY, CHIEF
AS A CHIEF FERGUSON STATE, THIS IS AN EVOLVING AREA OF FIRE SUPPRESSION.
UM, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, NEW ARTICLES AND THINGS THAT COME OUT WITH IT.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE CONFERENCES RIGHT THIS MONTH AND TRY TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT.
UM, UH, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE BATTERY CELLS BURN DIFFERENTLY AND THEY HAVE WHAT'S, THEY CAN HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THERMAL RUNAWAY.
AND ONCE THEY HIT ACHIEVE THERMAL RUNAWAY, THAT'S WHERE YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL EXTINGUISHING IT.
SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, YOUTUBE AND OTHER PLACES CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLES OF THAT PRETTY EASILY.
NOW AGAIN, A BUS IS A DIFFERENT NO, IT ABS NO, IT ABSOLUTELY ISN'T.
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HAS CHILDREN ON IT.MOST OF THE ONES THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE TESLA FIRES.
UM, AS JUST GENERAL COMMENT, MAKE, MAKE GENERAL COMMENTS, OR DO I JUST HAVE TO QUESTION THIS REEKS OF A 10 FOIL HAT EPA POLICY, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE.
I I DON'T WANNA TURN DOWN 1.2 MILLION TO REPLACE THREE VEHICLES ON OUR FLEET.
I MEAN, THIS IS, UM, I SEE THIS AS THE EPA TRYING TO GET SCHOOL DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, COMMITTED TO AN ELECTRIC PROGRAM AND PHASING OUT ALL DIESEL.
UM, DOESN'T WORK FOR US, BUT IT IS $1.2 MILLION.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T WORK FOR US AS A FULL FLEET, BUT IT IS $1.2 MILLION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT I DON'T THINK IT, I DON'T SEE THE MERIT I OF CHANGING OUR DISTRICT'S VEHICLES.
I THINK Y'ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
YOU, YOU HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IN THE COMMENTS AND, UM, THIS IS A TOTAL ENVIRONMENTALIST AGENDA ITEM THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH THROUGH.
UM, BUT I'LL TAKE THEIR MONEY.
UM, CAN I TAKE A MOTION? CAN I, UM, ASK ABOUT THE, I I APOLOGIZE.
I DID NOT FOLLOW THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW THE MONEY GETS THE, THIS MONEY IS, WE WE'RE APPROPRIATING IT, BUT I I'M STILL NOT CLEAR ON WHERE ARE WE SENDING IT SOMEWHERE FOR 18 MONTHS? DO WE HAVE TO SIT ON IT? H HOW, BECAUSE IT, IT'S NOT A GRANT.
THEY'RE NOT GIVING US THE MONEY OR THEY'RE NOT.
IT'S GIVING US US, THE BUSS A NO, BUT TYPICALLY A REBATE, YOU GOTTA BUY IT FIRST AND THEN THEY PAY YOU BACK.
SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SIT ON THAT MONEY OURSELVES AND EARN INTEREST.
ACTUALLY, THE COUNTY DOES BECAUSE NONE OF OUR ACCOUNTS, OUR FUNDS ACTUALLY GIVE US MONEY BACK.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE EARNING THE INTEREST ON THAT 1.2 MILLION UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY THE BILL.
SO WHAT ACCOUNT IS THAT 1.2 MILLION COMING FROM? THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I'M MISSING.
SO WHEN WE SUBMIT THE PURCHASE ORDER BY APRIL MM-HMM.
WE, WE ARE NOW, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY HANDING AN INVOICE TO EPA AND THEY WILL BE PAYING US THROUGH WHATEVER PROCESS THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO.
WE'LL SEE THAT 1.2 MILLION COMING TO US.
WE'LL DEPOSIT IN OUR FEDERAL FUND AND IT'LL SIT THERE UNTIL WE HAVE TO PAY THE BILL.
BUT WHAT I'M STILL MISSING IS, YEAH, WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE LINE ITEM GONNA SHIFT FOR THIS 1.2 MILLION? MR. CARPENTER, DO YOU KNOW? YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, MR. CHAIR.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS, WE SUBMIT THE PURCHASE ORDER VEHICLES ARRIVE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE MONEY FROM THE FED YET.
WHAT DO WE DO? THE, THERE IS NO WAY WE WILL GET THE BUSES BEFORE EPA PROCESSES THE PAYMENT BECAUSE THE BOSSES TAKE 18 MONTHS.
I DIDN'T ANSWER IF IT WAS A WAY, I ASKED WHAT HAPPENS IF IT DOES HAPPEN WRITING, YOU KNOW, SEE, I MEAN, THAT'S THE SQUEEZE.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE COUNTING ON TIMELY SPEEDY REIMBURSEMENT BY THE, FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO, TO YOU BASICALLY ADDRESS THE, THE QUESTION FROM THE COUNTY GENERAL FUND.
ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHERE THE FUNDS WOULD, WOULD AT LEAST BE ATTRIBUTED TO.
UM, IN THE EVENT THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD TO WRITE A CHECK FOR THE MONEY, THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD COME FROM.
THAT'S WHAT I SUSPECTED MR. CARPENTER.
SO, SO WHY, WHY I NOTICED WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT NOT BEING A GRANT, UNLESS I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING OLD, THAT THE PACKET I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME ON PAGE 99, IT'S FULL OF GRANT LANGUAGE.
IT'S, IT'S, THE RESOLUTION IS FOR US, UH, DRAFT MOTION.
I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE AND AMEND, DID NOT GET A RESOLUTION EXCEPT APPROPRIATING THE GRANT AWARD AND AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR EXECUTE RELATED DOCUMENTS.
THAT THING IS REPLETE WITH THE WORD GRANT.
WHY ARE WE SAYING IT'S NOT A GRANT? NOT A GRANT.
I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT THEN WE SHOULDN'T, THEN WE NEED SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES WHAT? THERE'S A RESOLUTION WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT? WE DO THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDK FEDERAL DECIDES HOW TO NAME A PROGRAM.
THEY HAVE NAMED THIS PROGRAM A REBATE PROGRAM.
IT IS ACTING LIKE A GRANT PROGRAMS ATTACHED
UH, WE'RE BECOMING MORE RELIANT ON, UH, UNRELIABLE GRID IF, UH, POWER GOES, GOES DOWN IN THE COUNTY.
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UH, BACKUP POWER GENERATORS FOR OUR SCHOOLS TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON, KEEP THE SCHOOLS OPEN, KEEP THE HEAT GOING.THAT, UM, WOULD THERE BE A SIMILAR THING CONTEMPLATED HERE SO THAT IF THE SCHOOLS ARE OPEN, BUT THE POWER GRID IS DOWN, THAT THESE BUSES WOULD'VE BACKUP? WE COULD RUN 'EM OFF DIESEL POWER? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING?
NEVERMIND, I WITHDRAW THE QUESTION.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE NOT SPECK THE GENERATOR AT THE NEW GES WHERE THESE BUSES WILL BE LOCATED TO ALSO RUN THE TRANSFORMER FOR THESE ELECTRIC CHARGERS.
YOU THOUGHT OF EVERYTHING, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE DEFER THIS ITEM TO NEXT MONTH.
IS THERE IMPLICATIONS WITH A DEFERRAL? I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A WINDOW WITH IT.
APRIL IS THE DROP DEAD DATE, IS THAT RIGHT? OUR, OUR CONCERN IS THAT, UM, IT IS 18 MON MONTHS TO GET THESE BUSES.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE FALLING NOW BEHIND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ORDERED BUSES BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE ARE ONLY LIMITED MANUFACTURING FACILITIES.
SO THE LONGER WE DELAY THE, THE BETTER THE CHANCE IS THAT, THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE AN 18 MONTH DELIVERY, BUT WE'LL HAVE A 20 MONTH DELIVERY.
AND WE HAVE TWO YEARS TO GET THESE BUSES FUNCTIONAL.
SO, UM, THAT PUTS US AT OCTOBER.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE SITTING RIGHT ON THE LINE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THOSE BUSES OPERATIONAL, UM, BY THE END OF THE GRANT PERIOD.
IF THEY'RE NOT OPERATIONAL BY THE END OF THE GRANT PERIOD, WHAT HAPPENS? WE'RE IN DEFAULT OF THE TERMS OF THE GRANT, WHICH MEANS WE DON'T GET THE REIMBURSEMENT.
I DON'T, I'M JUST, WE, WE ALREADY HAVE RECEIVED THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THE BUS AT THAT POINT, THEN WE HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK.
WE, THAT'S WHY THERE'S MANY QUESTIONS, BUT YEAH, BECAUSE THIS IS SUPPLY CHAIN MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
MAY I AMEND MY MOTION WITH, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOME BUDGET MEETINGS, RIGHT? FEBRUARY 21ST.
SO I, IF I MAY AMEND IT TO, TO OUR NEXT MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO, I THINK WE NEED SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
DESCRIBE EXACTLY HOW THIS PROGRAM WORKS, JUST SO ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE HEARING TODAY.
IF WE CAN GET THOSE RESOLVED, THE SCHOOL BOARD COMES TO US WITH A REQUEST, I GENERALLY WANT TO SUPPORT THAT REQUEST.
WE JUST HAVE THESE QUESTIONS AND WE CERTAINLY NEED TO KNOW IF WE'RE IN DEFAULT AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE RISKS OF US BEING ON THE HOOK FOR SOMETHING IF WE DON'T GET THE BUS IN TIME OR WE DON'T GET THE BUS OPERATIONAL IN TIME.
SO I THINK, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD ENOUGH QUESTIONS, SO I, I DON'T WANNA DEFER IT TOO LONG, BUT OUR NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 21ST.
SO I'M, UH, IF I MAY AMEND MY MOTION THAT I DEFER THIS MATTER TO OUR, I ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT 21ST.
SO I WAS UNDER THE INCORRECT ASSUMPTION THAT ONE OF THE BENEFITS THIS WAS, WELL, WE WERE REPLACING THESE THREE BUSES WITH OTHER THREE BUSES THAT WE PLANNED FOR AND WE'RE NOT.
UM, AND WE'RE TYING UP 1.2 MILLION, UH, FROM OUR GENERAL FUND FOR 18 MONTHS.
UM, FOR NEW TECHNOLOGY, I'M USUALLY AN EARLY ADAPTER, BUT NOT WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE BEING AN EARLY ADAPTER.
SO, UM, IT, I GUESS, I GUESS MY QUESTION TO THE BOARD FOR THE MOTION THAT'S PENDING FOR THE DEFERRAL IS ANYTHING ON MATERIAL CHANGE THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE YOUR MIND, UM, IN TWO WEEKS FROM NOW? IF THESE QUESTIONS GET ANSWERED, THAT'S MY COMMENT.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD ATTEMPT TO ANSWER IT FOR MYSELF.
UH, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT I DO HAVE PRIMARILY AROUND HOW IT'S FUNDED AND HOW THE MONEY WORKS.
UM, IF WE DON'T DEFER IT, THEN I'M MOST LIKELY GONNA VOTE NO.
SO I'D RATHER TAKE THE TIME AND TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT RATHER THAN JUST WHOLESALE SAYING NO, THANKS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MS. LAS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, MS. FURS? ALL RIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DEFERRING THIS ITEM UNTIL OUR NEXT, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING PLEASE SIGNIFY SAYING AYE.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S TAKE, UM, A 10 MINUTE, I KNOW WE'VE GOT A HARD STOP AT 4 45.
UM, WE WILL BE BACK HERE WITH BIG HAND DOWN TO 10.
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IT JUST MAKES ME ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, THANK YOU FOR BEING BACK IN A TIMELY FASHION.UM, WE WERE ARE GONNA MOVE INTO OUR NEW BUSINESS AND WE ARE GONNA HAVE A VERY HOT TOPIC,
[XI. New Business]
WHICH IS A PRESENTATION OF OUR 2023 REASSESSMENT REPORT.[1. 5623: Presentation of 2023 Reassessment Report]
GOOD AFTERNOON.I'M CHRISTIE HESS, THE ASSISTANT ASSESSOR, AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE 2023 REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT REPORT.
SO THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE OFFICE, UH, WE, THE ASSESSMENTS ARE MADE AS OF JANUARY 1ST OF EVERY YEAR.
UH, THE NOTICES WERE MAILED THIS YEAR ON THE 13TH OF JANUARY.
PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE UNTIL NEXT WEDNESDAY TO FILE AN APPEAL.
THEIR ASSESSMENT AS OF THIS MORNING, WE'VE RECEIVED 51 APPEALS.
EIGHT OF THOSE ARE COMMERCIAL.
LAST YEAR, JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAD ABOUT 105 TOTAL APPEALS.
SO I THINK FOR ABOUT, I GUESS ANOTHER WEEK, I THINK WE'RE DOING PRETTY WELL.
SO THE SUMMARY OF THE 2023 VALUE CHANGES ARE, WE HAVE THE TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE, WHICH IS NOT INCLUDING LAND USE AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS 9.6% OF THE, UH, WE HAD 7.84 BILLION TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE, 230 MILLION IS NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS 3.3% OF THE OVERALL VALUE INCREASE.
NEW CONSTRUCTION CONSISTS OF 18% COMMERCIAL, 82% RESIDENTIAL.
AND THE TCS D FAIR MARKET VALUES ARE 2.03 BILLION.
THE LAND USE ASSESSMENTS ARE 734 MILLION.
SO THE ASSESSMENT APPEAL PROCESS, THE FIRST IS AN INFORMAL APPEAL.
IT'S WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER CONTACTS OUR OFFICE.
BETWEEN JANUARY 15TH AND FEBRUARY 15TH, WE WOULD REVIEW THE PROPERTY CHARACTERISTICS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
WE CONDUCT AN INTERIOR FIELD INSPECTION.
AND, AND THEN IN THE OFFICE, WE WOULD REVIEW OUR SALES AND THE EQUALIZATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE EQUAL WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
THEN THEY'RE NOTIFIED BY A RESULTS LETTER OF THE OUTCOME.
SO THE SECOND IS THE FORMAL APPEAL.
IF THEY'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE OUTCOME OF, FROM OUR APPEAL, THEY'VE GOT 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THAT LETTER TO APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
AND WE WOULD MAIL THOSE FORMS OUT TO THEM WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY CALL US.
THE THIRD OPTION, UH, AFTER THAT WOULD BE THE CIRCUIT COURT.
THEY WOULD NEED TO, UH, FILE A CASE WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT IF THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
SO THIS CHART SHOWS YOU THE TOTAL TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUES.
IT'S RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
SO IT SHOWS YOU THE 7.84 BILLION IS WHERE WE ARE NOW.
THE REAL ESTATE ASSIST VALUES, UH, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION WE HAVE THE TCSD IS 142 MILLION AND THE REGULAR COUNTY IS 88 MILLION.
SO THE DIFFERENCE IS, UH, THE REASON WHY IT'S SO HIGH THIS YEAR IS WE ADDED TWO BUILDINGS FOR AVERY POINT, AND THE REST OF IT WAS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.
LAST YEAR WAS TUCKAHOE PINES, THE INDEPENDENT LIVING, AND THEN RESIDENTIAL IS WHY IT WAS HIGHER LAST YEAR AS WELL.
SO THIS IS A PIE GRAPH THAT SHOWS THE ASSESSED VALUATION.
IT'S BASED ON RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL PERCENTAGES.
SO THIS YEAR WE HAD 17.95% OF THAT IS COMMERCIAL.
THIS YEAR, 82.05 IS RESIDENTIAL, AND LAST
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YEAR WAS 81.84.AND THEN THIS IS JUST A, UH, CHART REFLECTING IT IS THE SAME INFORMATION AS A PIE CHART, BUT I THINK BEFORE YOU WANTED TO SEE A, A LONGER HISTORY THAN JUST THE, THE TWO YEARS.
AND SO THIS IS SHOWING THAT HISTORY.
SO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUE, WE PICKED UP JUST ANOTHER CHART SHOWING YOU THE DIFFERENCES IN THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU PAUSE AND EXPLAIN THAT THE DIFFERENT JUST IS? OH, THE DEL OKAY.
THAT'S THE TOTAL DELTA BETWEEN THE TWO.
NEXT IS THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
SO WE'VE GOT 2.034 BILLION IN THE SERVICE DISTRICT THIS YEAR, WHICH IS FROM, 7% OF THAT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND 11.23% IS FROM THE, UH, REASSESSMENT.
THE GROWTH WAS ABOUT 18%, A LITTLE BIT MORE.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
THESE VALUES, UH, THAT THE COUNTY USES WERE DEVELOPED BY SLEE A, WHICH IS THE STATE LAND EVALUATION AND ADVISORY COUNCIL.
SO IT'S MEMBERS ARE THE TAX COMMISSIONER, THE DEAN OF VIRGINIA TECH, COMMISSIONER OF AGRICULTURE AND CONSUMER SERVICES, THE STATE FORESTER, AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND RECREATION.
SO THEY USE THE OLYMPIC AVERAGE BASED ON A FIVE YEAR CENSUS, UH, FROM NAS, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL AGRICULTURAL STATISTIC SERVICE.
UH, AND THAT'S FOR THE AGRICULTURE PART.
AND TIMBER DATA SUBMITTED FROM SAWMILLS, OUR LOCAL FORESTERS, CHUCK WRIGHT.
AND, UH, THE, THE ASSESSOR, MRS. DAVIS, CURRENTLY SERVES ON THE LAND USE VALUE COMMITTEE FOR THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF ASSESSING OFFICERS.
SO THIS CHART IS THE, THE DEFERRED AMOUNT FOR LAND USE THE ASSESSMENTS IN MILLION 734 MILLION.
AND SO THAT EQUATES TO 3.89 MILLION IN DEFERRED REVENUE.
SO THAT'S, UH, THE TAX REVENUE THE COUNTY WILL NOT COLLECT BECAUSE OF THE LAND USE VALUES AND THE LAND USE ASSESSMENT DEFERMENT INCREASES WHEN MARKET LAND VALUES INCREASE.
SO IN SUMMARY, THE JANUARY, 2023 REASSESSMENT VALUE CHANGE OF 9.6% IS DIFFERENT FROM OUR NOVEMBER, 2022 FORECAST, WHICH, UH, WE WERE THINKING EIGHT TO 10%.
UH, THE INCREASES DUE TO THE INCREASED COSTS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THE LACK OF IMPROVED PROPERTIES.
IT, THIS IS A SELLER'S MARKET STILL.
AND OUR 2022, OUR 2024 REVENUE PROJECTION ASSUMES AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE OF FOUR TO 5%.
THANK YOU FOR, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR THIS INFORMATION ON PAGE 11, TALKING ABOUT THE LAND USE YES.
SO THE INCREASE, IS THAT AN INCREASE IN ASSESSED VALUE OR IS IT MORE LAND THAT'S IN LAND USE? IT'S NOT MORE LAND NECESSARILY.
I THINK, UH, THAT WITH A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR SO AN ACRE, ABOUT A HUNDRED DOLLARS AN ACRE ON AVERAGE.
SO IT'S, SO JUST IF YOU, UM, HELP ME OUT HERE JUST A MINUTE.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND I COULD BE WRONG, IS THAT THE DIFFERENT LAND USE THE CROPS, THE FORESTRY HAVE A DIFFERENT RATE YES.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT I THINK IS SET IN LIKE A RANGE AND WE SELECT A RANGE.
WE SELECT A NUMBER WITHIN THE RANGE.
IS THAT HOW WE DO IT? UH, IT'S NOT A RANGE.
AND SO WE, WE JUST, WE DON'T COME UP WITH OUR OWN NUMBERS.
WE USE WHAT THEIR NUMBERS ARE.
SO IT'S LIKE A SET AMOUNT, SO 400 AN ACRE, 500, WHATEVER IT IS MM-HMM.
AND SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE FOR THE DIFFERENT LAND USE CLASSIFICATIONS? I DON'T, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I THINK, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M JUST CURIOUS IN CASE I GET ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
YOU DON'T PUT THEM OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD TOO.
I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY ON SOME WEBSITE, SOME GOVERNMENT THING SOMEWHERE, BUT IT'S EASIER TO YOU.
I DON'T KNOW HOW EASY THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW EASY THAT WOULD BE TO FIND, BUT WE'VE GOT IT IN THE OFFICE SO WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU.
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RATES WENT UP AND THEN THE MARKET VALUES WENT UP AND THAT CAUSES THE LAND USE VALUES TO GO UP AS WELL, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME PROPERTIES HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE HOME SITE THAT, THAT THEY'RE BEING TAXED AT? YES.BUT THAT ONE AC ON THE ACRES, ACRES OR WHATEVER.
OR, OR PARCELS THAT HAVE, UH, ACREAGE THAT IS NOT QUALIFYING.
SO THEY MAY HAVE A HUNDRED ACRES AND ONLY 80 AC ACRES OF IT IS, IS IN LAND USE.
SO 3.89 MILLION IN DEFERRED, UM, REVENUE TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE LAND USE PROGRAM.
SO HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO LAST YEAR? I'M THINKING IT'S HIGHER, MAYBE BECAUSE THE VALUES ARE UP.
DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER LAST, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER.
SO IT'S UP JUST A, JUST A LITTLE BIT.
REAL QUICKLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU OR THE TREASURER HAS THIS INFORMATION.
CAN WE LOOK AT A TREND OF ROLLBACK TAXES? I GUESS SOME THINGS ARE COMING OUT OF LAND USE.
DO, DO WE HAVE A TREND OR AN IDEA OF, OF, UH, AS THE COUNTY GROWS, ARE, ARE THINGS COMING OUT OF ROLL? ARE THINGS COMING OUTTA LAND USE AND ROLLBACK TAXES? UM, ARE, ARE WE SEEING ANY MONEY COMING IN ON THAT? WELL, BASED ON THE PHONE CALLS I GET
WELL, AND AGAIN, AGAIN, THIS IS ONE THAT MAYBE YOU CAN GET BACK TO US LATER.
I'M JUST YEAH, WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU BECAUSE, UM, NOT ALL PROPERTY THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED IS IN BEEN IN THE LAND USE PROGRAM AB ABSOLUTELY.
AND SO, BUT, BUT SOME ARE, AND OCCASIONALLY WE'LL HAVE HAVE THOSE, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT AS MANY AS YOU THINK.
AND WE ALSO HAVE NEW, NEW PARCELS GOING INTO THE PROGRAM.
SO I THINK IT MAY BE A BETTER WASH.
AND, AND LET ME JUST SAY THIS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ROLLBACK.
A PERSON MAY HAVE PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE PROGRAM AND THEN THEY DECIDE THAT, UM, UH, OH, WELL I WANNA BUILD A HOUSE.
WELL, THEN THERE'S ROLLBACK ON THAT ONE ACRE, RIGHT? SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE IN ALL THOSE ROLLBACK, UH, ROLLBACK COUNTS.
AND WE, AND WE TAKE THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY STATE LAW.
WE TAKE THE FIVE YEAR ROLLBACK, FIVE YEARS PLUS CURRENT PLUS CURRENT.
THE FIVE YEARS IS ON THE, ON THE ROLLBACK.
DO SOME, I JUST HAPPENED TO DEAL WITH THIS IN ANOTHER COUNTY.
UM, DO, DO SOME PEOPLE MISS THE DEADLINE, DO THE RENEWAL AND, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, DON'T YOU HAVE TO PERIODICALLY SUBMIT AND, YOU KNOW, CONFIRM YOU'RE STILL IN, YOU'RE STILL IN LAND USE? YES.
WE HAVE THE RE-VALIDATION PROGRAM THAT GOES, UH, THAT GOES OUT EVERY YEAR.
UH, PEOPLE HAVE UNTIL NOVEMBER ONE TO GET IT IN.
UM, IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY DON'T, DO WE HAVE A PRETTY STRICT ORDER? YEAH.
WELL WHAT WE DO IS WE TRY TO WORK WITH THEM.
UH, THERE'S A, FROM NOVEMBER 1ST TO LIKE DECEMBER 5TH, WE CHARGE YOU AN ADDITIONAL $25 IF YOU'RE LATE PER PARCEL.
AND THEN IF YOU DON'T GET IT IN BY THEN, WE SEND YOU A LETTER.
WE SEND THE LETTERS OUT AND IF WE DON'T GET IT BY THE END OF THE, THE YEAR IT IS, THERE'S NO ROLLBACK.
BUT IT'S OUT OF THE PROGRAM FOR 2024.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, APPLICATION SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE REMOVED OR YOUR, YOUR NOTICE, YOUR REASSESSMENT NOTICE WILL NOT REFLECT THE LAND USE VALUE KIND OF.
IT'S RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE.
AND THEN IF YOU SEE IT'S NOT THERE, THEN YOU'RE OUT OF IT.
AND OCCASIONALLY, I MEAN, IT'S SURPRISING HOW MANY PEOPLE EVERY NOW AND THEN, AND WE USUALLY GET ONE TO FIVE PROPERTIES A YEAR WHERE THEY DON'T, UH, DO THE RE-VALIDATION.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS USUALLY SOME KIND OF A BUILDER WHO IS PLANNING ON, UM, DEVELOPING IT OR, UM, UH, GOSH, I MEAN, OUR FRIEND FROM BERMUDA THIS YEAR DID NOT REVALIDATE.
UH, WE TRY TO WATCH FOR HIM, BUT HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T REVALIDATE.
SO HE'S BEEN REMOVED FROM THE PROGRAM.
UH, IF YOU, IF YOU GO OUT AND FIND IT'S NOT, IT'S NO LONGER IN THE PROGRAM.
WE'LL, CAN WE, CAN WE STILL, WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET THE ROLLBACK TAX? NO, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY PUT IN PLACE FOR THE RE-VALIDATION FOR THE, FOR THE COUNTY.
HE CAN RE HE CAN ENROLL IN IT FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT HE'LL MISS A YEAR.
WELL THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT LITTLE SIDEBAR EDUCATION.
UM, I HAD ASKED TO SEE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE LOOK AT, UM, WHEN WE GET THE ASSESSMENTS, WE HAVE TO REPORT BACK AND COMPARE THEM TO ACTUAL SALES.
AND YOU'LL SEE MORE OF THAT IN THIS PRESENTATION.
OKAY, THEN I WILL HOLD MY REMARK.
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WHERE IS THIS THING? LOOK AT THE MOUSE.REDUCE TWO MANY GADGETS UP HERE.
SO THERE'S PART TWO AND SLIDE CHAIN FROM THE BEGINNING.
WHERE IS IT AT? AT THAT TOP HERE DOES, OH, I'M SORRY.
AND IF I DON'T ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU TWO HAVE FOR THAT, THEN BY ALL MEANS.
BUT WHAT I WANTED TO DO, BECAUSE THIS IS 20 YEARS, OUR ASSESSMENT OFFICE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR 20 YEARS, AND I JUST WANTED TO TAKE YOU A LITTLE BIT THROUGH THE HISTORY OF IT.
NOT TAKE A LOT OF TIME, BUT JUST, JUST KIND OF SEE THE ACCOMPLISH ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF WHERE UH, WE WERE, WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
SO, UH, ALRIGHT, SO HERE WE GO.
I DO WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, WE DID HAVE A MISSION STATEMENT.
OUR MISSION IS TO ANNUALLY MAKE EQUITABLE ASSESSMENTS AS MARKET VALUE FOR GLAND COUNTY THROUGH TEAMWORK, WHILE ENCOURAGING CITIZENS PARTICIPATION IN THE PROCESS TO PRODUCE AN ASSESSMENT ROLE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE CODE AND TO PROVIDE ACCURATE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC, ALL IN A COURTEOUS AND EFFICIENT AND PROFESSIONAL MANNER.
AND LOOKING BACK, OUR OFFICE WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2003.
2005 IS WHEN WE STARTED THE BIENNIAL, UH, REASSESSMENT CYCLE WHERE THE RE AND ALSO IS WHEN WE STARTED POSTING IT ON THE WEB, UH, WE MADE PROVISIONS TO ADOPT FOR THE ASSESSMENT TAXATION OF SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE BUILDINGS STARTING IN 2005.
AND WHAT THAT IS, IS THE PROBATION OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, THAT WE ALLOW THAT WE CAN PICK UP NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IN TWO, 2007, WE PURCHASED OUR NEW CAMA, UH, SYSTEM FROM PATRIOT PROPERTIES CALLED CS PRO.
UH, IT TOOK A TWO YEAR CONVERSION TIME AND WHAT CAMA STANDS FOR IS A COMPUTER ASSISTED MASS APPRAISAL SYSTEM.
AND SO IT, IT HELPS US WITH, UH, DOING OUR WORK.
CAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THIS A LONG TIME AND IT TAKES A LOT LONGER TO DO IT MANUALLY.
AND THEN IN 2010 IS WHEN THEY STARTED THE ACTUAL, THE ANNUAL REASSESSMENT CYCLE FOR, UH, A YEARLY CYCLE.
UM, IN 2012, THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE WOULD INHERIT THE LAND USE PROGRAM IN 2014, UH, WE INTEGRATED LDO, WHICH, UH, IS THE BURNING BUILDING PERMIT SOFTWARE.
UH, SO THEY WOULD INTEGRATE INTO THE, UH, ASSESS SPRO ON A DAILY RUN, PREVIOUSLY A MANUAL PROCESS.
AND IN 2015 WE SET UP NUMEROUS MICROSOFT ACCESS DATABASES TO ASSIST IN GROUPING MARKET AREAS, NEW CONSTRUCTION, PROBATION AND MAR UH, CLEARING UP DATA, WHICH IS STILL AN ONGOING PROCESS.
IN 2016, WE BEGAN DELINEATING IN MARKET AREAS, UH, IN 2017 PREPARED FOR ASSESS PRO UPGRADE, WHICH INCLUDED MASSIVE, UH, MASSIVE CLEANUP AND CONSOLIDATION OF CODES DURING THE REASSESSMENT CYCLE.
AND THEN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, UH, WE'VE BEEN IMPLEMENTING UH, ASSESS, PRO UPGRADE, UH, THIS UP GLASS UPGRADE, WHICH REALLY WAS AN UPGRADE.
IT WAS LIKE A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROGRAM.
UM, AND SO WE HAD TO LEARN THAT.
AND THEN WE HAD, UH, WE HAD HIRED US THREE NEW PEOPLE AND THEY WERE NOT NEW STAFF, THEY WERE NOT NEW POSITIONS.
THEY WERE REPLACEMENTS AND I WASN'T BROW BEATING THEM
IT WAS A MATTER THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE WAS LEAVING FOR A JOB IN, UH, ATLANTA, ONE, UH, LEFT BECAUSE OF HER HUSBAND'S ILLNESS AND ONE DECIDED TO GO BACK IN SELLING REAL ESTATE.
SO THAT HAPPENED WITHIN LIKE A SIX WEEK PERIOD OF TIME.
AND SO THAT WAS A ROUGH YEAR,
BUT 2019 TO NOW, WE'VE BEGUN DEVELOPING LAND SCHEDULES AND THE CAMERA SYSTEM.
EACH PARCEL MUST BE TOUCHED WITH NEW CODES AND THE TASKS THAT WILL TAKE FIVE TO SIX YEARS TO GET FULLY IMPLEMENTED.
UH, WE STARTED IN THE WEST END OF THE COUNTY MOVING EAST.
AND IT REALLY IS, I'LL TELL YOU ONCE WE CAN GET THIS IN PLACE, IT REALLY HELPS YOU MAKE THE SYSTEM WORK FOR YOU.
AND SO YOU'RE WORKING SMARTER AND NOT HARDER, YOU KNOW, SO WE NEED THIS AS WE'RE GROWING AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, WE MONITOR MARKET AREAS FOR CHANGES.
UH, WE REVIEW COST TABLES FOR BUILDING YARD ITEMS WITH THE MARSHAL SWIFT NATIONAL COST MANUAL.
THEN WITH THE REVIEW, UH, THEN WE REVIEW THIS AGAINST THE LOCAL COST MARKET AREA.
SO WE GET WHAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED FROM THIS MARSHALL SWIFT MANUAL.
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WE ALSO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION WHAT OUR MARKET IS DOING LOCALLY.UM, WE SET UP COSTS AND DEPRECIATION TABLES FOR SINGLE WIDE AND DOUBLE WIDE HOMES BECAUSE IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
NOW I'M GONNA BE SHOWING YOU SOME SLIDES HERE BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT SUS PRO IS MORE THAN JUST A WAREHOUSE FOR DATA.
UM, IT ALLOWS US TO REVIEW DATA IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND UTILIZE STATISTICAL TESTING.
A LOT OF, SOME OF THESE CHARTS WHO, IF YOU GET THE MONTHLY, UH, REPORT, YOU WILL NOTICE THIS IS ONE OF THEM WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSFERS NUMBER OF TRANSFERS PER YEAR AND HOW MANY OF 'EM ARE RESIDENTIAL AND ONE OF, HOW MANY OF 'EM ARE COMMERCIAL.
THEN WE, WE ALSO, UH, FOR OR WATCH THE FORECLOSURES.
THIS HAS BEEN THE FORECLOSURES WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, NOT MANY.
THEN THE QUALIFIED SALES, THESE ARE QUALIFIED SALES THAT WE DO IN THE FIELD, UM, AND THE COUNT BY PRICE RANGE.
AND IN THE FIRST TWO, THREE YEARS, UM, WE HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN BY FIVE CATEGORIES.
THIS LAST YEAR, BECAUSE I HAD, I REALLY HAD TO EXPAND IT BECAUSE THE UM, THE GREEN LINE, WHICH WAS THE 500 TO 800 WAS GETTING SKEWED OVER 500.
IT WAS GETTING SKEWED WITH ALL THE OTHERS OVER A MILLION.
SO WE BROKE IT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE SO WE COULD SEE WHERE OUR GROWTH IS.
AND SO IN THIS GREEN COLUMN OF 2 62, IT WAS TALKING ABOUT OUR 500 TO 800,000 HOMES OR DOLLAR HOMES AS SALES.
THAT, UH, WAS OUR BIGGEST GROWTH AREA.
AND THAT FOLLOWS THROUGH WITH WHAT THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA REAL ESTATE MLS WAS SHOWING ABOUT THE LOCAL MARKET.
UM, FOR THIS YEAR TO DATE INFORMATION FOR GOLAN, OUR MEDIAN PRICE WAS 550.
AND YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT IT IS YOU SEE WHERE THE INCREASE PLUS 17 PLUS 13%, THAT'S OVER LAST YEAR'S MEDIAN AND LAST YEAR'S AVERAGE SALE PRICE.
UH, BUT AS YOU LOOK AT HENRICO HANOVER, NONE OF 'EM HAVE THE, THE HIGH MEDIAN PRICES AS GUC DOES.
AND IN FACT, WHEN YOU, UH, LOOK AT THE WHOLE LIST THAT THEY HAVE OUT THERE, WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE UNTIL WE GET UP TO LOUDOUN COUNTY
KIND OF INTERESTING I THOUGHT.
SO AS OUR PROCESS, AND PLEASE, I HOPE THAT THIS DOESN'T GET A LITTLE BORING FOR YOU, BUT THIS PART OF THIS PROCESS, UM, THE SALES ARE REVIEWED FOR ACCURACY BY RESEARCH AND FIELD INSPECTIONS AND SAMPLED FOR STATISTICAL TESTING.
THE ASSESSMENT SALES RATIO, WHICH MEASURES THE, THE MEASURES VALUE LEVELS AND DETERMINES THE EC, THE QUALITY OF THE REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT PERFORMANCE.
AND THAT'S, UH, TAKING THE ASSESSMENT DIVIDED BY THE SALE PRICE.
THERE'S ALSO THE COEFFICIENT OF DISPERSION, WHICH HELPS TO MEASURE THE ASSESSMENT UNIFORMITY.
AND BELOW IN THAT CHART TELLS YOU LIKE THE IDA AO, WHICH IS THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF ASSESSING OFFICERS.
THIS IS THEIR GUIDELINE FOR WHICH ALSO OUR STATE, UH, HAS ADOPTED AS WELL AND THE CODE, BUT TALKS ABOUT OUR ASSESSMENT LEVEL.
OUR ASSESSMENT SALES RATIO NEEDS TO BE 90 TO ONE 10.
AND THEN OUR COEFFICIENT DISPERSION, WHICH IS OUR MEASURE OF UNIFORMITY, NEEDS TO BE, UH, BELOW 15%.
AND SO IN DOING SO, THEY ALL TALKS ABOUT IN THE STATE CODE WHERE THE VIRGINIA LOCALITIES ARE EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN ASSESSMENT RATIOS, NO LOWER THAN 70 OR HIGHER THAN 130 TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONSTITUTION OF STATUTORY MANDATES.
SO SOME OTHER AREAS, CUZ WE LOOK AT IT ALL DIFFERENT WAYS, LIKE HERE IS THE RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL SALES.
OUR RATIOS ARE ACCEPTABLE ASSESSMENT TO SALES RATIO FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL, YOU SEE IT'S 97.6.
THE COMMERCIAL'S JUST A TAD, IT OVER 1.015.
THE C O D OR COEFFICIENT OF DISPERSION, UH, IS, UH, JUST ALMOST FIVE AND THEN 11, WHICH IS BOTH ACCEPTABLE.
THEN YOU HAVE, WHERE YOU LOOK AT IT BY DISTRICT, UH, PUT BIRD LICKING HOLD OVER, AND THE TCS D WE ALL RANGE IN THAT 98 TO 97%.
UH, FOR THE ASSESSMENT SALES RATIO, UH, THE ACCEPTABLE C O D IS STILL LESS THAN 15 ON FOR EACH ONE.
THEN WE LOOK AT MY PROPERTY CLASS.
THE PROPERTY CLASS IS THE CLASS CODES THAT THE STATE GIVES US TO.
UM, IT'S HOW WE REPORT, UH, SOME OF OUR DATA IN, AND LIKE THE FIRST ONE IS SINGLE FAMILY WITH UTILITIES, THAT'S NUMBER 10.
SINGLE FAMILY WITH WATER OR WELL IN SEPTIC, MULTIFAMILY, UM, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AGRICULTURE, THAT'S 20 TO 99 ACRES.
AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR AGRICULTURE IS, WHICH IS A HUNDRED PLUS ACRES.
AND SO IN THOSE RATIOS, ASSESSMENT RATIOS,
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WE, WE MONITOR THIS SO THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING WHERE WE'RE INCREASING ONE SIDE MORE THAN THE OTHER.OKAY? AND IT'S THE SAME WAY WITH THE CO D BELOW.
IT HELPS THEM MAINTAIN, WE WATCH HOW OUR SALES ARE CLUSTERING AND HOW UNIFORM WE ARE.
NOW, THE STATE, THIS IS, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, TALKING ABOUT OUR STATE RATIOS, AND THEY'RE USUALLY BEHIND THE FEW, A COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND, UM, YOU'LL SEE HERE IN 16, 17, 18, 19, THEY'RE 95, 96, AND THEN 2020 IS 92.
BUT WHAT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, WHEN YOU GO LOOK AT THESE REPORTS, IF EVER YOU GO ONLINE AND LOOK AT THEM, UH, THE ASSESSOR WE TAKE FOR THE ONE, ONE SAY, IN THIS CASE, THE 1 11 20 20 ASSESSMENT ARE BASED ON SALES THAT OCCURRED IN 2019.
CAUSE WE'RE HISTORIANS, THE STATE USES THEIR RATIO STUDY USING THE 1 1 21 ASSESSMENT AND TAKES IT USING THE 2020, UH, SALES.
SO IN A SENSE, YOU KNOW, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE ALWAYS A LITTLE BEHIND AND YEARS YOU HAVE BIG INCREASES, THE MORE THAT WILL DECREASE THAT, THAT RATIO.
SO, UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE 2021 ASSESSMENT INCREASED, IT WAS 8.4.
SO WITH THAT, IT BRINGS A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED, BUT THAT INCLUDES ANY KIND OF GROWTH THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.
SOME GOALS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR OFFICE IS TO COMPLETE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF CODING AND SCHEDULING, UH, OF OUR LAND RATES AND ASSESS PRO, UM, UPON WHENEVER THIS HAPPENS, WHEN THE, UPON PURCHASE OF EAGLEVIEW PICTOMETRY SOFTWARE, BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THE SKETCH AND SPEC FEATURE THAT ALLOWS US TO CHECK FOR STRUCTURES THAT MAY NOT NORMALLY BE SEEN.
AND THEN, UH, STAY CURRENT ON THOSE CHANGES.
BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT ONLY THOSE, BUT JUST, UH, AS WE'RE DOING THE LAND RATES, WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE IN THE FIELD AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE BELIEVE IT.
THIS IS A GOOD CHECK TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT ALL YOUR INFORMATION CLEAN AND DIDN'T REMAIN CLEAN, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT EVERYTHING PICKED UP.
AND THEN CROSS TRAINING LIKE CHRISTIE AND I WERE JUST DOING.
SO IN CONCLUSION, OUR OFFICE HAS OVER 85 YEARS OF TAX ASSESSMENT EXPERIENCE.
EACH EMPLOYEE'S CONSIDERED A PRACTICING EXPERT IN WHAT THEY DO, AND IS EXPECTED TO BE NOTHING LESS THAN PROFESSIONAL.
OUR STAFF'S GUIDING PRINCIPLE WILL ALWAYS BE IN HIGH PROFICIENCY, EXEMPLARY CONDUCT, AND THE POSITIVE ATTITUDE.
I AM SO FORTUNATE TO WORK WITH SUCH A WONDERFUL GROUP OF PEOPLE,
SO ANY QUESTIONS, MR. SPOONER? SURE.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE A, A FEW, BUT I, THIS WAS GREAT.
THIS WAS, I WAS REALLY HOPING TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BILLS GO OUT, HOWS ARE GOING ON? PEOPLE ARE LIKE, HOW IS IT STILL GOING UP? MM-HMM.
AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE GET ACCUSED ALL THE TIME OF RAISING TAXES BECAUSE WE'RE MONKEYING WITH THE ASSESSMENTS.
WHAT CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 13, MAYBE I THINK IT WAS 13 OR 12 THAT YOU HAD THE PERCENTAGES.
SO WHAT YOU JUST SHOWED US THOUGH, I THINK IS IN CRITICAL FOR OUR CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND.
SO WHAT YOU'LL DO, IN FACT, IS YOU WILL TAKE, YOU HAVE YOUR ASSESSMENTS, AND THEN YOU TAKE ALL OF THE HOMES THAT HAVE SOLD AND FIND OUT, OKAY, IF IT'S, IF, IF IT'S AN ASSESSED $500,000, DID IT SELL AT $500,000? AND YOU LOOK AT HOW CLOSE YOU ARE TO THAT.
AND WITH, WITH THESE, WE'RE AT 90 AND WE, AND YOU CUT THAT DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO YOU'LL LOOK AT, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT EVERYBODY.
ARE WE CLOSE WITHIN JUST THE PRICE RANGE? AND THEN YOU LOOK, WELL, JUST BECAUSE A HOUSE, YOU KNOW, A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IN DISTRICT ONE THAT MIGHT SELL DIFFERENT THAN IN DISTRICT FIVE.
SO THEN YOU LOOK AT THE AREAS TOO.
SO YOU LOOK AT DIF SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TO, TO VALIDATE YOUR ASSESSMENT.
AND YOU'RE WITHIN 3% ACCORDING TO THIS CHART OF, OF ALL, ALL OF OTHERS.
SO WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, I COULD NEVER SELL MY HOUSE FOR WHAT YOU TAKE IT'S SUCCESS FOR, UH, YEAH, YOU CAN.
AND THAT THIS IS ALL BASED ON WHAT HAS ACTUALLY SOLD.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TIME WHEN WE HAVE ASSESSMENT PERIOD THAT IF, IF THERE IS SOMETHING COMPLETELY, UM, WRONG ON THE INSIDE, I MEAN, WE CAN'T GET ON THE INSIDE.
WE ASSESS 'EM FROM THE OUTSIDE.
IF WE GO INTO TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AND THEY GO INSIDE AND THEY'VE NOT, THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF DEFER MAINTENANCE.
YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH IN LIFE.
AND SO, UM, AND SO YOU, OKAY, ALL RIGHT.
IT'S NO LONGER, IT, IT HAS A DEPRECIATION, MAYBE ADDITIONAL DEPRECIATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OR SOMETHING, ANOTHER THAT'S WHAT THIS, UH, APPEAL PERIOD.
OR, UM, IF PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW, MAYBE THEY'RE JUST CLUELESS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE AREA.
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KNOW THAT, UM, I KNOW CHRISTIE, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT A FEW MINUTES AGO.A PERSON THAT HAD CALLED IN AND SHE JUST DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE MARKET WAS, UH, THAT HOT IN HER AREA AND JUST NEEDED A LITTLE INFORMATION.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THOSE.
I MEAN, CHRISTIE IS PROBABLY THE BEST AT THAT.
SHE CAN REALLY, SHE TALKS THEM AND JUST WORKS WITH THEM AND, AND HELPS THEM TO UNDERSTAND.
AND, UM, UH, AND WE REALLY, UM, WE'VE NOT HAD, UM, A LOT OF CALLS, SO TO SPEAK.
WELL, THIS IS VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT WE YES, OUR ASSESSMENTS ARE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE MARKET IS SAYING.
AND I THINK NEXT WE HAVE OUR SECOND QUARTER PROJECTIONS.
[2. 5625: FY2023 Second Quarter Projection]
YOU GOT IT IN AIA? YEAH.IT'S KINDA HARDER TO SEE THAT WAY.
I DIDN'T PUT IT ON A POWERPOINT CAUSE I FIGURED YOU'D BE POWER POINTED OUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN READ THIS THOUGH, BUT I'LL JUST, I'LL BE BRIEF
WHERE IS THE RIGHT NEXT TO THE HAND THERE? THE LITTLE ARROW ON THE SIDE.
LOWER, LOWER, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN THERE.
WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? I AM OKAY.
OKAY, NOW WE'RE TALKING, NOW YOU'RE COOKING WITH GAS.
I'LL JUST FOCUS ON THE, THE BIG NUMBERS THOUGH.
SO THIS IS MORE INFORMATION THAN I USUALLY PUT UP HERE FOR PROJECTIONS, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT GIVEN THAT WE HAD RETURNED 6 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUND AT THE END OF FY 22, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE BLUE COLUMN.
UM, WE RETURNED 6.25 MILLION, WHICH WAS GREAT.
UM, FY 23, I'M STILL, UH, I'M NOT AS OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'LL RETURN THAT MUCH, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THEM SIDE BY SIDE TO SEE WHERE THE DIFFERENCES LIE.
BUT FOR NOW, I'LL JUST FOCUS ON F Y 23.
I'M THINKING WE'RE, UM, BY JUNE 30, WE'RE GONNA BE 5 MILLION AHEAD OF WHERE WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR REVENUE.
AND THAT IS MOSTLY DUE TO OUR LOW REVENUE PROJECTIONS FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY.
AS OF THE END OF DECEMBER, WE HAVE COLLECTED, UM, 70 SOME PERCENT OF OUR PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT IN FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE, I MEAN, YOU, YOU PUT A BUDGET TOGETHER 18 MONTHS IN ADVANCE.
UM, SO WE'VE DID BUDGET VERY CONSERVATIVELY THERE, BUT IT, IT'S LOOKING LIKE ASSESSED VALUES HAVE GONE UP FROM WHERE WE PREDICTED.
ALTHOUGH THE SECOND HALF, UM, THIS REVENUE PROJECTION DOES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SECOND HALF THE INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING FROM THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE IS A DECLINE IN ASSESSED VALUES.
AND ALSO THE MAJOR, THE $1 BILLION INCREASE IN VALUE THAT MARIANNE JUST TALKED ABOUT IN REAL ESTATE, THAT'S FACTORED IN AS WELL.
SO WE'RE LOOKING GOOD ON REVENUE.
AND AS FAR AS EXPENDITURES ARE CONCERNED, UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE COME IN RIGHT AROUND TARGET.
UM, I'M EXPECTING OUR DEPARTMENTS TO TURN IN AROUND TWO TO 3 MILLION, UM, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU AN OPERATIONAL SURPLUS OF ABOUT $8 MILLION.
AND AFTER OUR TRANSFERS TO CIP P AND OUR OTHER SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, WE'RE LOOKING AT A RETURN OF 1.8 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUND.
NOW, I'M COMING BACK AGAIN IN MAY WITH MORE UPDATED INFORMATION, AND I THINK IF THIS LOOKS ANY DIFFERENT, IT'LL BE A ROS OR PICTURE.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY CONSERVATIVE AT 50% THROUGH THE YEAR.
SO ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, BOARD MR. PETERSON? NO.
THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
UM, I, I JUST RUNNING THE RISK OF BEING REDUNDANT HERE JUST TO, UM, THIS BUDGET YEAR TO DATE THROUGH THE FIRST HALF OF THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, UM, IS, IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, OF BUDGETING ABOUT HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE.
IT'S, IT'S STRUCTURALLY BALANCED AND THAT OUR RECURRING REVENUES COVER OUR RECURRING EXPENSES, AND THERE'S ENOUGH LEFTOVER TO COVER WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE OUR RECURRING CIP P MAINTENANCE EXPENSES, WHERE WE'RE MAINTAINING THE VALUE OF THE COUNTY ASSETS AND NOT ALLOWING THEM TO DEPRECIATE OR LIQUIDATE OVER TIME.
SO YOU'RE MAINTAINING YOUR ASSET BASE AND THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY LEFT OVER AFTER THAT TO MAINTAIN YOUR RESERVES AS A PERCENT OF THE BUDGET.
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RESERVES ARE NOT DECLINING AS A PERCENT OF THE BUDGET.SO WE'RE STAYING AS FINANCIALLY HEALTHY, SO WE'RE COVERING OUR RECURRING EXPENSES, WE'RE MAINTAINING OUR ASSETS, AND WE'RE MAINTAINING OUR RESERVE POSITION AS A PERCENT OF THE OVERALL BUDGET.
SO, YES, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR.
NEXT WE HAVE OUR LEGISLATIVE UPDATE WITH MR. DRUMRIGHT.
[3. 5616: 2023 General Assembly Legislative Update]
GOOD AFTERNOON, PAUL DRUMRIGHT, COMMUNITY AFFAIRS MANAGER, AND I'M HAPPY TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE ACTIVITY DOWN AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.UH, LET ME JUST GET THIS PULLED UP, MOVE ALONG.
WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON, UH, A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON THE SESSION, OUR LEGISLATIVE REQUEST, AND THEN SOME BILLS OF INTEREST IN POLICY POSITIONS.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW YOU HAVE A DINNER COMMITMENT, SO WE CAN'T GO THROUGH ALL 2,227 BILLS.
UH, I KNOW YOU APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL.
UH, LIKE TO WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY CROSSOVER DAY.
UM, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND, TODAY IS THE DAY ALL BILLS HAVE TO GET OUT OF THEIR HOUSE AND OVER TO THE OTHER HOUSE, OR ELSE THEY TURN INTO PUMPKINS.
UH, SO RIGHT NOW, UH, THERE ARE FOLKS DOWNTOWN HAVING A BUSIER DAY THAN YOU, UH, MOVING THROUGH.
WE HAD, UH, FIVE LEGISLATIVE REQUESTS.
UH, I HAVE 'EM UP HERE ON THE SCREEN.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE 'EM AGAIN, SO I'M NOT GONNA READ THROUGH THESE REAL QUICK.
UM, THE FIRST ONE WAS ABOUT ALLOWING US TO HOLD, UH, LOCALITIES HOLD A, UH, REFERENDUM TO DECIDE IF RETAIL MARIJUANA STORES SHOULD BE PERMITTED IN THEIR LOCALITY.
UH, THIS IS A REQUEST THAT WE HAD FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, WE HAD NO SPECIFIC REQUEST CORRESPONDING, NO SPECIFIC CORRESPONDING LEGISLATION RELATED TO THIS REQUEST.
THERE IS SOME MARIJUANA LEGISLATION THAT WE ARE GONNA TOUCH ON AT THE VERY BACK OF THIS PRESENTATION.
BUT FOR THIS, UH, THERE WAS NOTHING MATCHING OUR REQUEST, UH, MOVING FORWARD ONTO THE NEXT ONE WAS THE REQUIREMENT OF VERIFICATION OF SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS FOR VOTER REGISTRATION.
UH, WE DID HAVE ONE BILL THAT WAS CARRIED, UH, SENATOR PEAKS, UH, SB 9 65.
UNFORTUNATELY, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE, UH, SENATE PRIVILEGES IN ELECTION CHOSE TO, UH, LET THAT DIE IN COMMITTEE.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, MOVING ON TO OUR THIRD REQUEST RELATED TO PROMULGATING RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR VOTER ID REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT WAS ALSO TO PROVIDE EQUIPMENT AND, AND FUNDING AND EVERYTHING RELATED TO THAT SO THAT REGISTRARS COULD ISSUE IDS TO FOLKS WHO DID NOT HAVE THOSE.
UH, THERE WERE, UH, FOUR BILLS, UH, DELEGATE WEAR CARRIED.
ONE HB 1444, UM, AND THEN SENATOR PEAK, SB 9 68 DELEGATE WEARS BILL DID MAKE IT OUT OF THE HOUSE.
IT IS OVER IN THE SENATE, BUT IF YOU READ DOWN THERE LOOKING AT THE SENATE BILLS, THE SENATE BILLS GOT LEFT IN SENATE, UH, PRIVILEGE AS AN ELECTION COMMITTEE.
SO IF WE FOLLOW THAT, MORE THAN LIKELY DELEGATE WEARS BILL IS GONNA TURN INTO A PUMPKIN, BUT WHO KNOWS DOWN THERE AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
MOVING ON TO NUMBER FOUR, THAT WAS RELATING TO OUR REIMBURSEMENT LOCALITIES FOR THE COST OF CONDUCTING ABSENTEE VOTING.
UH, THERE WAS ONE BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT WAS IN THE, UH, UH, RECOMMENDED BUDGET, UH, AMENDMENTS FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT WAS FROM, UH, SENATOR CHASE, ITEM 89, NUMBER TWO S.
UH, AND THAT WAS INCLUDING, UH, FUNDING A $500,000 OF NON-GENERAL FUND DOLLARS EACH YEAR FOR A NUMBER OF ELECTION RELATED EXPENSES.
I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE GOING ANYWHERE ANYTIME SOON.
HER LEGISLATION THAT IT WAS CORRESPONDING TO DID NOT MAKE IT OUT OF THE HOUSE OR MAKE IT OUT OF THE SENATE.
UH, SO MOVING ALONG, THAT TAKES US ON TURN NUMBER FIVE, REQUEST A STUDY OF THE COMPENSATION BOARD FUNDING FOR THE OFFICES OF CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE WERE ASKING THE, UM, A RESOLUTION TO BE PASSED SO THAT J LAR C COULD STUDY FUNDING OF THE COMPENSATION BOARD AND LOCALITIES, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, BECAUSE, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT IT HASN'T BEEN STUDIED IN A NUMBER OF YEARS, UH, IN LIKE WE'RE TALKING 2030 AND THAT.
SO IT'S ABOUT TIME THAT WE LOOK AT THAT.
AGAIN, DELEGATE WARE DID CARRY A BILL FOR US, UH, HOUSE RULES SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDED LAYING IT ON THE TABLE.
BUT THAT IS ALSO, THEY ARE SENDING A LETTER TO J LARC REQUESTING THAT J LARC CONSIDER THAT AS A STUDY, AS THEY LOOK AT THEIR ITEMS WHEN THEY PUT TOGETHER THEIR, UH, WORK PLAN.
UM, I HAVE BEEN CAUTIONED THOUGH THAT THAT USUALLY DOES NOT GO ANYWHERE, UM, BUT AT LEAST THERE IS A LETTER GOING THERE.
SO WE HAVE SOMETHING MOVING SOMEWHAT FORWARD.
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SO WE'RE OUT OF OUR LEGISLATIVE REQUEST INTO SOME BILLS OF INTEREST.THE FIRST ONE RE RELATES TO THE SALES AND USE TAX AGRICULTURE EXEMPTIONS.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME, UH, BUSINESS HERE IN GUCCI COUNTY, GREENSVILLE GROWERS THAT HAS BEEN TALKING WITH US AND HAVE BEEN PURSUING LEGISLATION TO, UH, GET SOME, UH, RELIEF RELATED TO SOME OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION AND, UH, UH, EQUIPMENT.
SO FOR THEIR FACILITIES, UH, WHEN THEY PLAN TO BUILD A NEW FUTURE FACILITY.
SO THIS IS THE CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENTAL AGRICULTURE, UH, INDUSTRY.
AND SO THERE WERE A COUPLE BILLS RELATED TO THAT.
UM, THERE WAS A GOVERNOR'S BILL BOTH IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE, AS WELL AS THEN ONE THAT WAS CARRIED ON BEHALF OF GREENSVILLE GROWERS IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.
UH, THE TWO GOVERNOR'S BILL WAS HB 1563, AND THAT MOVED FORWARD.
THE BILL THAT WAS BEING CARRIED SPECIFICALLY FOR GREENSVILLE GROWERS DID NOT THE, UH, DELEGATE ROBINSON'S BILL, UH, SENATOR PEAK'S BILL RELATED TO IT GOT WRAPPED INTO THE GOVERNOR'S BILL, SB 1240.
SO THOSE BILLS ARE MOVED FORWARD, AND THEY'LL BE GOING OVER TO THE OTHER HOUSES.
AND SINCE THEY CAME, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WILL BE A SUCCESS.
SO IT ACCOMPLISHED MOST OF WHAT GREENSVILLE GROWERS ONCE UNFORTUNATELY DOES NOT, NOT HAVE THE RETROACTIVITY TO GO BACK AND COVER THE COST THAT, UH, GREENSVILLE GROWERS HAS TO PAY FOR WHEN THEY BUILT THEIR INITIAL FACILITY.
DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION IS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH MAKING IT RETROACTIVE AND, UH, I WOULD SAY GET THE WIND, GET OFF THE FIELD.
UM, SO IT'S GREAT TO SEE, AT LEAST IT'S MOVING FORWARD.
UH, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY IT CONTINUES THAT SUCCESS.
UH, MOVING INTO, THERE WERE SOME BILLS OF PUBLIC NOTICE.
UM, THAT FIRST ONE HAS BEEN REFERRED BACK TO HOUSE, CITIES AND TOWN, UH, HOUSE COUNTIES, CITIES AND TOWNS.
UH, THAT WAS A SPECIFIC RELATED TO LAND USE PLANS AND ZONING.
NOTICE THE OTHER TWO, HB 2161 AND SB 1151 ARE A LOT BROADER, BUT THEY WERE MEANT TO HELP DO A STANDARDIZATION OF NOTICES AND, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR AN ACTION.
AND THAT THAT WAS DONE BY DIVERSE WORK GROUP THAT HAD BEEN CONVENED FROM PRIOR LEGISLATION.
AND SO THOSE HAVE BOTH MOVED FORWARD, AND THEY ARE, UH, MOVING ON TO THE OTHER HOUSES.
UH, THERE IS, UH, TWO BILLS RELATED TO, UH, TRANSPORTATION THAT I BELIEVE THAT IS VERY, UH, UH, IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTY AND THAT WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN.
UH, HAPPY TO REPORT BOTH THESE BILLS.
HB 2302 AND SB 1106 ARE MOVING FORWARD.
THERE WERE SOME SUBSTITUTE LANGUAGE IN THERE, BUT THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD.
AND AS OF WHAT I SAW, UH, TODAY, I, I KNOW THE SENATE HAS MOVED, HAS BEEN APPROVED, AND OUT THE HOUSE, HAD NOT VOTED ON IT LAST I LOOKED, UM, BUT THEY HAVE TILL MIDNIGHT TONIGHT.
UH, THERE WERE TWO BROADBAND BILLS.
THESE ARE REALLY FOCUSED, RELATED TO RAILROADS, AND SO REALLY DO NOT IMPACT US AS THAT MUCH.
BUT I DID WANT TO GRA, UH, INCORPORATE THESE AND HAVE THOSE FOR THE BOARD.
SO THIS IS RELATED TO, UH, THERE'S BEEN AN ISSUE OF TRYING TO GET BROADBAND FIBER OPTIC UNDERNEATH RAILROAD, UH, EASEMENTS.
AND THAT HAS BEEN A MAJOR ISSUE THAT HOLDING IT UP.
FORTUNATELY FOR US, OUR RAILROAD IS MAINLY ALONG THE RIVER, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANYTHING REALLY AFFECTING US.
BUT THESE BILL, BOTH THESE BILLS ARE MOVING FORWARD AND HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT BEHIND THEM MOVING INTO OUR MARIJUANA.
SO I'VE INCLUDED A NUMBER OF BILLS HERE ON THE SCREEN.
UH, REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, ONE IN PARTICULAR, OR TWO IN PARTICULAR ON THE FIRST SLIDE.
AND THAT IS HB 1464 IN HB 1750.
THOSE ARE THE TWO BILLS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE CREATING A RETAIL FRAMEWORK BETWEEN THAT RETAIL, UH, MARIJUANA MARKET FRAMEWORK.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, BOTH THOSE HOUSE BILLS GOT KILLED IN COMMITTEE, SO THEY DID NOT, THEY'VE NOT MADE IT OUT OF THE GEN OUT OF THE HOUSE.
THERE IS A COMPANION BILL IN THE SENATE, SB 1133, UH, SENATOR EVANS BILL, WHICH WOULD BE DOING SIMILAR, UM, SETTING UP THAT RETAIL FRAMEWORK FOR MARIJUANA AND ALLOWING RETAIL SALES THAT BILL IS MOVING OUT OF THE SENATE.
BUT IF YOU JUST SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN THE HOUSE, MORE THAN LIKELY SAME THING'S GONNA HAPPEN TO HIS BILL.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR WHERE BOTH HOUSES DID NOT AGREE AND BASICALLY CAME TO A STANDSTILL ON THAT.
UM, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WATCH THAT AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES.
AND WITH THAT, UH, REMIND EVERYBODY THAT ADJOURNMENT OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS FEBRUARY 25TH, AND THEN THE RECONVENE SESSION IS APRIL 12TH.
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TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR, UH, DIS THANK YOU MR. DRUMRIGHT.WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY? UM, THE JOINT RESOLUTION ABOUT THE COMP BOARD, THAT ONE THERE WAS AN SJ 2 39.
DID YOU? BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID.
DID THAT JUST, SO I I I I DID NOT MENTION THAT ONE.
WHERE IS THAT? SJ? YOU HAD IT ON YOUR SLIDE.
YEAH, THAT, THAT ONE JUST, UH, I INCLUDED THAT IN THERE BECAUSE IT WAS RELATED TO IT, BUT IT WAS REALLY ASKING THE COMP BOARD TO TAKE THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE COUNTY SQUARE MILES IT SQUARE MILES, YEAH.
INTO THEIR CALCULATION WHEN THEY'RE DOING FOR SHERIFFS.
I, I HAD TO LOOK IT UP WHEN I SAW IT CAUSE I DIDN'T PICK UP.
SO DID YOU, DID YOU KNOW THAT THAT ONE WAS MOVING? THAT ONE WAS MOVING FORWARD.
BUT THAT REALLY IS NOT GONNA ACCOMPLISH AS WHAT WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO GET DONE, WHICH IS GOING THROUGH AND GIVING REALISTIC CALCULATIONS OF HOW MANY, UH, BODIES, HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS FOR THE COMMISSIONER REVENUES OFFICE, THE COMMONWEALTHS ATTORNEY OFFICE, THE TREASURER, AND ALL THAT, AND THE FUNDING OF THAT, WHICH THEY HAVEN'T LOOKED AT AT THAT, AND I BELIEVE ABOUT 25, 30 YEARS.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY GET THE NUMBER OF WHAT THEY SHOULD BE FUNDING, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE HAPPY WITH THE ANSWER.
THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU, MR. DRUMRIGHT.
OKAY, FOLKS, I THINK WE'RE UP TO THE LAST THING ON OUR, UM, OUR BUSINESS AGENDA, WHICH IS APPOINTMENTS.
AND WE HAVE TWO REAPPOINTMENTS, UM,
[4. 5628: Appointments - February 2023]
UH, FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY REAPPOINTING, UH, MS. LISA DEON DEN FROM DISTRICT TWO, UM, TO A NEW FOUR YEAR TERM.AND, UH, THE RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, REAPPOINTING, UH, MR. LARRY PROFIT FROM DISTRICT THREE TO A TWO YEAR TERM, TERM SUB BOARD.
I MOVE THAT THE G COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE APPOINTMENTS THAT'S PRESENTED.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SO YOU CAN FOLLOW US SAYING AYE.
SO THANKS TO THESE CITIZENS FOR BEING WILLING TO SERVE AND SHARE THEIR TALENTS WITH THE COUNTY.
WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 6:00 PM
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OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, UH, HAD AN EXCELLENT DINNER.I SEE A LOT OF THE FOLKS FROM THE GLE CLASS AND ENJOYED MEETING SOME OF YOU AND, UH, BREAKING BREAD AND SOME AMAZING, UM, I'D NEVER HAD SWEET POTATO PIE BEFORE, SO GO FIGURE.
AND IF THAT'S THE BO THAT WAS A GOOD SWEET POTATO PIE.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, A COUPLE, A COUPLE THINGS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
SO WE WILL START OFF WITH OUR CITIZEN COMMENT.
THIS IS FOR FOLKS TO COME AND APPROACH THE BOARD ABOUT MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA
[XIV. Citizen Comment]
THIS, THIS EVENING.SO YOU, IF YOU COULD PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON ON THE B ON THE BASE TO TURN IT, UH, ON.
AND IT'LL, IT'LL BE GREEN LIKE, LIKE MINE IS.
UM, AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND KEEP YOUR, PLEASE TRY TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
I'LL OPEN THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
UM, JONATHAN LY 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
UM, AND I, I WANNA COME AND COMPLIMENT STAFF ON THE WORK THEY'RE DOING SO FAR AS THE SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITY ORDINANCE AND POLICY IS, UH, I'VE ALREADY SEEN SEVERAL ITERATIONS AND, AND MR. CASH, UM, HAS TRULY BEEN, UH, A TREMENDOUS ASSET IN THAT PROCESS.
BUT I'VE DECIDED I'M NEVER GOING TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE POINT THAT IS CURRENTLY DRAFTED.
THE POLICY MANDATES SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITIES GO INTO AGRICULTURAL LAND.
IT ELIMINATES THE POSSIBILITY FOR THOSE TO GO ON ANY OTHER TYPE OF LAND.
I, I JUST, AND I HAVE FAILED, I APOLOGIZE AND NOT FORWARDING THE ARTICLE, BUT THERE WAS A LOCALITY IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE STATE THAT JUST APPROVED THE SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITY ON A RECLAIMED MINE.
NOW IN GOLAND, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUARRIES.
WE HAVE A TRASH FACILITY THAT AT SOME TIME WILL BE FILLED UP AND ENCLOSED OR, OR MOTHBALLED.
AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE IF THEY HAVE AN ORDINANCE AND A POLICY, MAYBE 10 YEARS, MAYBE 15 YEARS FROM NOW.
I HOPE, UH, AND SOLAR CAN CONTINUE TO BE A VIABLE RESOURCE, BUT TO ELIMINATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITIES ON DORMANT MINES OR RECLAIMED, UM, TRASH FACILITIES, WHAT WE CALL BROWN SPACE, UH, I, I THINK IS SHORT-SIGHTED.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT AS THE PROCESS CONTINUES, THERE WILL BE A REVISITATION TO MANDATING OR EXCLUDING ALL OTHER LAND TYPES EXCEPT AGRICULTURAL MANDATING THAT SOLAR COLLECTION FACILITIES AND GUC AND GO ON AGRICULTURAL LAND AS A CONSERVATION DIRECTOR, AS A FARM BUREAU DIRECTOR, DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME.
I'M NOT SAYING DON'T ALLOW 'EM, BUT I'M NOT SAYING SPECIFICALLY MANDATE THAT THEY GO THERE.
SO I OWE MISS BEWI 30 SECONDS, SO I'LL SIT DOWN.
THANK YOU, MR. LYLE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD.
ANY CITIZEN COMMENT? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
WE ARE UP TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE EVENING.
[XV. Public Hearings]
WHO DO I HAVE PRESENT? OH, MR. YOU'RE UP.MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MY NAME IS CRYSTAL TUS AND I AM YOUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
[1. 5457: District 3 - RZ-2022-00003 Application by Truett Real Estate Investments,]
THE, I JUST LOVE THIS CLERK.IT'S THE THING I LOVE MOST IN LIFE IS CLICKER.
SO BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT FOR YOUR
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REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION, YOU HAVE A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO OUR EXISTING ZONE ZONING ORDINANCE.SORRY, I WASN'T THINKING WE'D MOVE THIS FAST.
UM, I THINK WE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT NEED TO BE DEFERRED, SO, SO I'M SORRY, I WAS GOING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS TO BE DEFERRED.
UM, THE FIRST IS FOR DISTRICT FOUR.
IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE NUMBER OR NO, THAT'S FINE.
UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN APPLICANT, CAPITAL BROAD LLC.
THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT THEIR APPLICATION AND THE REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION BY YOU ALL BE DEFERRED UNTIL NEXT MONTH.
LET'S DO, LET'S DO TRUIT FIRST.
I MOVE THAT WE DEFER APPLICATION RZ 2020 203 APPLICATION BY TRUWIT REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS LLC, AND THE DEFERRAL REQUEST IS TO THE JULY 3RD, 2023.
SO I MOVE TO DEFER THAT CASE TO OUR JULY 3RD MEETING.
JUST ONE QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MA'AM.
STAFF HAS NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
DOESN'T CREATE ANY PROBLEMS FOR STAFF? NO, MA'AM.
UM, IN FACT, THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO US BEING PROACTIVE, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE TIMING IT CORRECTLY WITH OUR SMALL AREA PLANS OKAY.
AS WELL AS THE FAIRGROUND ROAD STUDY.
AND THIS, THIS HAS AS A RESULT A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT.
THIS WAS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT LAST WEEK.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL, VOTE.
AND OUR SECOND ONE IS THE APPLICATION BY CAPITAL BROAD LLC.
MS. HUNTERS? YEAH, THEY'RE REQUESTING A DEFERRAL.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? OH, OH, SORRY.
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN THERE, UH, CAPITAL BROAD LLC IS REQUESTING A DEFERRAL UNTIL YOUR MARCH 7TH BOARD MEETING.
I MOVE, UM, TO DEFER THE APPLICATION BY CAPITAL BROAD LLC REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR UNHOSTED SHORT TERM RENTAL AND PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE UNTIL OUR MARCH 7TH, 2023 MEETING.
ANY DISCUSSION? BOARD, UM, POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR, I MAY NOT HAVE BEEN LISTENING PROPERLY, BUT I JUST WANNA BE SURE.
THE FIRST CASE, UH, THE 0 0 0 3 WAS DEFERRED TILL JULY 3RD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THIS ONE'S BEING DEFERRED TO MARCH 7TH, CORRECT? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL VOTE.
NOW, NOW WE GET TO THE PART WHERE YOU CALL ME UP HERE.
WE'LL GET INTO THE, THE ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT YOU ALL THIS EVENING.
I WILL PULL UP THE PRESENTATION.
SO BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION, I'LL RESTATE IT AGAIN.
YOU HAVE A PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD APPLY TO PRE-APP APPLICATIONS AND APPLICATIONS TO REVISE THE COMMUNITY MEETING REQUIREMENT.
AS YOU ALL MAY RECALL, THIS HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION THAT HAS OCCURRED
[3. 5617: Countywide – ZOA-2022-00006 – Amendment to Zoning Ordinance Sec.]
INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY FOR SOME WHILE, JUST ON THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF ONE, CREATING AN EFFICIENT APPLICATION PROCESS, UM, OF REALIZING WHEN SOME FOLKS ARE READY TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION.ONE OF THE NECESSARY STEPS WE CURRENTLY HAVE PER CODE IS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A COMMUNITY MEETING AT TIMES THAT CREATES UNNECESSARY, UNNECESSARY DELAYS BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO TIME STAFF AVAILABILITY, SCHEDULING THAT.
ALSO ON THE OTHER END, WE HAVE SOME VERY MINOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, MINOR REZONING APPLICATIONS, OR ESPECIALLY CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS THAT COME BEFORE YOU ALL WITH RENEWALS THAT HAVE NO VIOLATIONS, UM, THAT DO REQUIRE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY PER CODE REQUIRED ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS THE CODE REQUIREMENT REQUIRES IT FOR ANY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, ANY REZONING APPLICATION REGARDLESS.
UM, DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UM, SCOPE,
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UM, OR PROPOSED USE.SO WHAT IS PROPOSED BEFORE YOU ALL AS FAR AS A ZONING AMENDMENT LANGUAGES, TO REMOVE THE CODE REQUIREMENT AND INSTEAD HAVE IT REPLACED WITH A ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY WORDING, WHERE THEN STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPERATIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY THAT THEN WOULD OUTLINE CRITERIA FOR HOW AND WHEN COMMUNITY MEETINGS WOULD BE TRIGGERED BASED ON AN APPLICATION.
SO THEN THE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY WOULD NOT REQUIRE A BOARD OF SUPERVISOR ADOPTION.
IT WOULD MAKE IT AN OPERATIONAL POLICY RATHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS A BLANKET CODE REQUIREMENT.
SO THE POLICY, UM, AT A HIGH LEVEL, UH, IN RE REVIEWING WHAT STAFF FELT BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE SEEN IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND WHAT WE KNOW TO BE TRUE HERE.
CUZ THERE IS VALUE IN COMMUNITY MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR LARGER PROJECTS AND CERTAIN NEVER BEFORE.
UM, APPLIED FOR USES IS LOOKING FOR A COMPLIANCE WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO IF SOMETHING'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED A COMMUNITY MEETING.
EXCEPTIONS TO ORDINANCE STANDARDS BEING SOUGHT, UM, IF THERE'S A HIGH LEVEL OF TRAFFIC IMPACT BASED ON A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STUDY THAT GETS DONE, UM, WHICH THOSE ARE ALWAYS DONE BEFORE A COMMUNITY MEETING.
ACCESS MANAGEMENT COMPLIANCE, COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND WASTEWATER AND WATER USAGE.
SO THEN WE'VE ALSO OUTLINED FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS REGARDLESS OF FINDINGS WOULD REQUIRE A COMMUNITY MEETING REZONING OTHER THAN A DOWN ZONING, A NEW CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN RESIDENTIAL OR AGRICULTURAL OR A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S STILL A VERY HIGH THRESHOLD FOR WHAT IS REQUIRING A COMMUNITY MEETING.
IT'S NOT A VERY EASY CIRCUMVENT THE PROCESS.
WE'RE STILL CREATING A HIGH THRESHOLD FOR REQUIRING AND FOSTERING COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND THE DIALOGUE BETWEEN CITIZENS AND AN APPLICANT AS WELL AS STAFF BEING ABLE TO HEAR COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
UM, SO AGAIN, JUST FOCUSING ON THE AMENDMENT, THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT MINIMIZES BUFFERS WOULD ALSO TRIGGER COMMUNITY MEETINGS, EXPANDS THE USE BY MORE THAN 25%.
ANY MAJOR CHANGE TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN OR INCREASE INTENSITY USE THAT MAY CREATE COMPATIBILITY OR MITIGATION CONCERNS.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE IS WE CAN ALSO, WE HAVE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE, WE ALSO HAVE A PROVISION THAT A BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEMBER OR ANY PLANNING COMMISSIONER CAN ALSO REQUEST A COMMUNITY MEETING BE HELD.
UM, WE RECOGNIZE THAT YOU ALL, UM, BEING ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THOSE THAT ARE APPOINTED OFTEN AT TIMES ARE IN TUNE AND GET CALLS DIRECTLY.
SO YOU MAY BE THE FIRST TO HEAR A CONCERN BEFORE WE DO.
OBVIOUSLY HAVING THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, REQUEST A COMMUNITY MEETING.
AND WE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS FOR ANY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT RENEWAL, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, ANY SIZE IF THEY HAD A HISTORY OF C U P VIOLATIONS OR COMPLAINTS.
UM, AGAIN, WITH REGARDS TO ZONING ACTION SIGNS UPON RECEIPT OF A COMPLETE APPLICATION, STAFF WILL STILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE.
WE WILL, WILL PLACE THE SIGNS OUT AT SAID PROPERTY THAT ADVERTISE THE NOTICE OF REZONING.
UM, IF A COMMUNITY MEETING IS REQUIRED, THOSE SIGNS WILL ALSO GET POSTED PRIOR TWO WEEKS TO THE SCHEDULED COMMUNITY MEETING AS WELL.
SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ONE, EMPHASIZE THAT WE WILL STILL POST REZONING SIGNS REGARDLESS OF IF THERE'S BEING A COMMUNITY MEETING OR NOT, WHETHER THERE IS A COMMUNITY MEETING OR NOT.
AND THIS ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED.
THERE STILL IS A PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS THAT IS NOT CIRCUMVENTED IN THAT ALL REZONING, ALL CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATIONS HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY HAVE TO COME THROUGH YOU ALL AS A BOARD.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS CREATE A THRESHOLD WHERE WE ASSESS WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING REQUIREMENT, BEING MINDFUL OF STAFF BANDWIDTH, BEING BUSINESS FRIENDLY, AND ALSO RECOGNIZING THE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY WE NOW HAVE WITH ENERGOV OUR PERMITTING SOFTWARE.
SO WITH THAT, I BELIEVE THAT IS THE END.
UM, I WILL ALSO MENTION THAT AT THE JANUARY 5TH PLANNING COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION DID VOTE, UH, UNANIMOUS.
I FEEL IT'S MONDAY UNANIMOUSLY WITH A FIVE OH VOTE TO ADOPT OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL RATHER.
UM, BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? I DO MS. LASETTE.
SO, UM, MS. ANNIS, WOULD YOU GO BACK TO PAGE THREE? UM, I'VE GOT A SURPRISINGLY LARGE NUMBER OF COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THIS, UM, ZONING, ORDINANCE, AMENDMENT.
UM, AND A LOT HAS TO DO WITH, I I I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND I'VE BEEN IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TRYING TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS WHERE WE HAVE VERY LOW IMPACT, UM,
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ZONING CHANGES OR CS FOR THAT MATTER, THAT WE REALLY HAVE NO ONE COME TO THE MEETINGS AND STILL IT'S TAKEN STAFF TIME AND ALL THAT.SO HERE, HERE ARE THE COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT I'M GETTING.
SO, UM, THE REQUEST OF A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER OR PLANNING COMMISSIONER MM-HMM.
SO IF THERE'S NO COMMUNITY MEETING MM-HMM.
SO WHEN THE APPLICATION IS FILED, WE OBVIOUSLY GO THROUGH THE EFFORT OF SETTING THE AGENDAS FOR BOTH OF THOSE MEETINGS.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH YOU ALL OF WHAT WILL BE ON PLANNING COMMISSION'S AGENDA, WHAT WILL BE BEFORE YOU ALL.
USUALLY THAT'S A MONTH TO TWO MONTHS IN ADVANCE.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY AT THAT TIME TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.
UM, I WILL ALSO SAY THAT WE STILL HAVE THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS BECAUSE THERE'S PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR EACH REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
ONCE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND AGAIN AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING OF COURSE.
ON PAGE THREE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE RULE, AND IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVAL, UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO CHANGE THE RULES? HOW WOULD THE PUBLIC FIND OUT ABOUT IT? CORRECT.
HOW WOULD WE FIND OUT ABOUT IT? HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION AND I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT CUZ I DIDN'T COVER IT IN MY PRESENTATION.
SO LIKE ALL ADMINISTRATIVE POLICIES WITHIN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE, LIKE YOUR PRE-APPLICATION CHECKLIST, WHICH IS A ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY, THOSE ARE SIGNED AND APPROVED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
UM, THEY GO THROUGH AN ANNUAL REVIEW PROCESS.
WHETHER THAT MEANS YOU CHANGE IT OR NOT, IT'S JUST EACH YEAR TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
IS IT STILL WORKING? ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, ANYTIME WE CHANGE AN ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE PUBLICLY POST IT, MEANING ON THE WEBSITE, PUTTING IT ON THE BULLETIN BOARD IN THE HALLWAY, MAKING HARD COPIES AVAILABLE.
AND WE HAD EVEN TALKED THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND I PUTTING IN THE POLICY, IF YOU ALL ADOPT THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT THIS EVENING, THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF 15 DAY NOTICE PERIOD BEFORE ANY CHANGE WOULD GO IN EFFECT OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY JUST BECAUSE IT CAN IMPACT SOMEONE'S APPLICATION PROCESS.
SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE CHANGED, FOR INSTANCE, UM, TRYING TO EXEMPT C U P RENEWALS EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A VIOLATION THAT MAYBE IT WAS JUST ALL C P RENEWALS.
WERE JUST GONNA DECIDE IF YOUR PROPERTY'S OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET IN OPERATION, YOU GOTTA DO A COMMUNITY MEETING.
WE WOULD PUT OUT AMPLE NOTICE FOR THAT IF THERE WAS A CHANGE TO THE POLICY THAT WAS SUBSTANTIVE.
SIMILAR TO, UM, HOW ANY OTHER OPERATIONAL POLICY OCCURS, JUST LIKE WE DID, UM, WITH ENERGOV.
THERE WERE PUBLIC NOTICES THAT WENT OUT, UM, THAT THE BUSINESS PROCESS WAS CHANGING, THAT PAYMENTS WERE GOING TO BE ACCEPTED ONLINE, THAT ALL PLAN REVIEW, UH, OR PLAN SUBMITTALS RATHER HAD TO BE SUBMITTED ELECTRONICALLY THAT WERE NO LONGER TAKING PAPER COPIES.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF COMMUNICATING THAT EFFECTIVELY WITH THE BUSINESS.
AND I MAY NOT HAVE GIVEN YOU THE BEST EXAMPLE, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED.
AND WE DO HAVE A DRAFT POLICY THAT YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE IN YOUR, AT YOUR DIOCESE SEAT.
AND, AND, BUT, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HOW'S THE PUBLIC KNOW? SO WE WOULD HAVE THE POLICY ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT'S WEBSITE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT PUBLICLY POSTED.
WE'LL HAVE IT ALSO, THERE'S A BULLETIN BOARD IN THE HALLWAY THAT IS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND IT HAS PERTINENT INFORMATION.
FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU BRING YOUR APPLICATION IN AFTER A CERTAIN TIME OF DAY, IT DOESN'T GET STAMPED AS RECEIVED THAT DAY.
WE PLAN ON MAKING THAT THIS POLICY POSTED THERE AND OR IF THERE'S CHANGES IN THE FUTURE, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT.
WHAT I WILL SAY IS, AS I MENTIONED, WE SET A VERY HIGH THRESHOLD FOR ANY WAY WHERE THERE WOULD BE AN APPLICATION THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A COMMUNITY MEETING.
AS I SAID, STAFF FINDS VALUE IN IT.
IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIND THAT SPOT WHERE WE RECOGNIZE THERE WERE A LOT OF VERY SMALL APPLICATIONS FOR NOT TOTALLY GET IT.
AND THEN THAT HELD UP SCHEDULING THOSE FOR THINGS THAT REALLY NEEDED A COMMUNITY MEETING, PUSHING THINGS OUT.
MY CONCERN IS WHERE, HOW, HOW ARE WE COMMUNICATING? ARE WE GIVING UP TRANSPARENCY, YOU KNOW, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, SO LET'S, LET'S FINISH AND SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT.
MR. WATER, UM, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION THAT FOLLOWS UP ON, UH, SUPERVISOR LA'S COMMENTS.
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I, FIRST OFF, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFULNESS.I DO THINK, UH, WE NEED STREAMLINED, UH, GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO GOOD ENOUGH OVERSIGHT.
UM, AND I, AND I DON'T THINK, I THINK Y'ALL ARE DOING IT WITH THAT IN MIND.
UM, COULD WE MAKE THAT TIME PERIOD THOUGH? N NO, NO.
ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY CHANGE CAN OCCUR BETWEEN BOARD MEETINGS.
SO WE ALWAYS HAVE A INTERVENING BOARD MEETING WHERE WE HAVE SOME OVERSIGHT AND HAVE THE ABILITY AND IT, I MEAN, AND SO I I WILL SAY JUST UM, THAT IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE BECAUSE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY DOES NOT REQUIRE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR ADOPTION OR APPROVAL GENERALLY CUZ IT IS OPERATIONAL IN NATURE, JUST LIKE OUR PRE-APPLICATION CHECKLIST IS.
UM, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY EXTEND THE TIME WINDOW WHERE WE WOULD PUT A NOTICE OUT THAT IT'S CHANGING IN 30, 45 OR 60 DAYS.
WE CAN DO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WANNA GIVE US DIRECT GUIDANCE ON.
BUT IT IS THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF DEPARTMENTAL STAFF.
TALK TO ME ABOUT THE LETTER THAT WOULD, THAT GOES OUT, UM, TO MS. LAS.
I I I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CHANGE IN THE POLICY THAT THE SURROUNDING, UM, LANDOWNERS WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED OF THE ZONING.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DID NOT PUT THAT IN BUT SO AS I MENTIONED, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIGN STILL BEING POSTED AT ANY REZONING PROPERTY PER CODE REQUIREMENT AND ANY PART OF OUR STANDARD REZONING, WHETHER THERE'S A COMMUNITY MEETING OR NOT, POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE, WE STILL REQUIRE THE MAILING TO GO OUT TO ANY AND ALL ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT BORDER, THAT POTENTIALLY REZONE PROPERTY.
CAN THAT LETTER, IF THE DECISION IS MADE BY STAFF THAT A CAN THAT LETTER SAY SOME OF THE GUYS THAT A COMMUNITY MEETING IS NOT BEING RECOMMENDED AT THIS TIME, IF THERE ARE CONCERNS, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR SUPERVISOR.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE'RE LETTING THE LANDOWNERS KNOW AND WE'RE SAYING IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, LET US KNOW AND WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO SCHEDULE.
WE CAN HAVE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT CLARIFIES THAT PER ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY.
HOWEVER, YOU CAN CONTACT, UM, YOUR, YOUR SUPERVISOR OR PLANNING COMMISSIONER MEMBER.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT STAFF WILL ALSO CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
IT'S JUST WHAT WILL REQUIRE A COMMUNITY MEETING.
SO WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ADD A LITTLE BLURB IN THE FORM LETTER THAT GOES OUT.
ANY OTHER, MR. WILKINS? I HAVE A LOT TO, TO SAY ABOUT THIS, BUT MAYBE WE'LL WAIT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
CUZ WE, WE DID GET A FLURRY OF EMAILS AND COMMUNICATIONS ON THIS IN THE LAST FEW DAYS.
BUT LET ME ASK THIS, UH, THE ZONING ACTION SIGN THE SLIDE THAT YOU HAVE UP THERE NOW.
THAT ZONING ACTION REQUIREMENT, IS THAT BY ORDINANCE OR IS THAT BY POLICY? THAT, UH, POLICY IS, IT'S CURRENTLY, IT'S CURRENTLY POLICY THAT, THAT THE ZONING ACTION SIGN GOES UP.
THERE IS NOTHING IN STATE CODE THAT REQUIRES US TO POST THE SIGN.
WE DO THAT AS AN EXTRA AND ABOVE DUE DILIGENCE TO INFORM THE PUBLIC ORDINANCE.
NOTHING IN OUR ORDINANCES OR AN ORDINANCE POLICIES.
IS IT ORDINANCE OR STATE CODE? MS. MCGEE? THERE IS NEITHER A STATE CODE NOR COUNTY CODE OR LAW REQUIRING THE SIGN IS CD POLICY THAT DOES THAT? YES.
SO OPERATIONALLY WE ARE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WITH OUR TRANS TRANSPARENCY EFFORTS.
WHAT IS REQUIRED THOUGH IS THE FORM LETTER THAT DOES GO OUT TO DIRECTLY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
MS. LAS, I THINK THAT'S ONE WORK.
STAY ON THAT, STAY ON THAT SLIDE.
SO IT SAYS, IF A COMMUNITY MEETING IS REQUESTED, EXCUSE ME, REQUIRED, IF I READ IT RIGHT, UH, SIGNS MUST BE POSTED.
SO WHEN THERE'S NO COMMUNITY MEETING REQUIRED, WE'RE WE'RE STILL GONNA POST SIGNS.
I DO BELIEVE THAT LANGUAGE IS, SO POST A LITTLE SIGN THAT SAYS WHEN THE COMMUNITY MEETING IS, SO THERE'S THE REZONING SIGN AND THEN THERE'S A SIGN THAT THEN CLARIFIES THE DATE OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
I'M POSTING SIGNS WHETHER THERE'S A COMMUNITY MEETING OR NOT.
SORRY, I'M SITTING OVER THERE TRYING TO PIPE IN
SO CURRENTLY THE WAY WE DO IT, WE HAVE ONE SIGN, IT'S A ZONING ACTION SIGN.
AND THE SLIDE IS A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR.
UH, SO THE WAY THE POLICY IS WRITTEN NOW, UM, IF AN APPLICATION COMES IN, WE, BASED ON OUR POLICY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHETHER THERE'LL BE A COMMUNITY MEETING OR NOT A COMMUNITY MEETING.
SO WE WILL POST IT AS SOON AS WE IDENTIFY THAT IT'S COMPLETE MEANING THEY HAVE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT HAS ENOUGH TO GO FORWARD WITH THE COMMUNITY IF IT'S REQUIRED.
UM, EITHER WAY IT WILL GET BOTH GET POSTED AT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME, LIKE THEY WILL BE POSTED RIGHT THEN.
HOWEVER, UM, THE SIGN WON'T, THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING UNTIL TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT SIGN IS POSTED AND THE LETTERS ARE SENT OUT.
SO SOON AS WE GET A COMPLETE APPLICATION, WE'RE POSTING ALL, UM, POP PROPERTIES.
IT JUST MAY DELAY THEM THE TWO WEEKS FOR THEIR, UM,
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IT WILL DELAY 'EM FOR THE TWO WEEKS, WHICH IS CURRENT.IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT POLICY OF THE TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO A COMMUNITY MEETING, HAVING THE SIGN POSTED.
MS. LASETTE, IF I MAY, THE, UM, WHAT THIS IS INTENT IS TO SAY IS WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE YOUR SIGNS ARE OUT THERE FOR TWO WEEKS SO PEOPLE KNOW.
NO
I IT MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN JUST A LITTLE MUDDLED ON, ON THE, OKAY.
SO WE WILL MOVE INTO THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, SIMILAR TO CITIZEN COMMENT.
UM, IF YOU PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, UH, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND PLEASE TRY TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS MARK GOIN, 24 76 HILL STREAM DRIVE.
ROCKVILLE, YOU MAY HAVE EXPLAINED THIS, BUT I JUST DIDN'T GET A CLARIFICATION ON WHO MAKES THE FINAL DETERMINATION ON WHETHER THE MEETING IS REQUIRED OR NOT.
MR. GO, WHO'S, CAN YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THE BOARD? YES, I'M SORRY.
UM, WHO SIGNS OFF ON THE BOTTOM LINE? UM, AND IS THAT DECISION CHALLENGABLE? I THINK CHARLIE, YOU MIGHT HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP, UM, FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME IS AN OLD SAYING TRUST BUT VERIFIED.
SO, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE THAT CLARIFIED PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING, JONATHAN LY 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK QUICKLY CUZ I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES NOW.
IF THIS WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING, I'D HAVE MORE TIME AND IT COULD ALSO BE INTERACTIVE.
BUT THE WAY THIS POLICY WORKS NOW, I GET THREE MINUTES TO COME UP BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAKE MY COMMENTS, HOPE THEY REGISTERED, NOT ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AND WE'RE DONE.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DEFEAT THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU CAN COME BACK IN MORE THAN A YEAR.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE SEEN THIS.
THIS MAY COME AS A SPOILER ALERT.
I SHOW UP FOR SOME OF THESE MEETINGS ON OCCASION.
I AM HERE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'VE SEEN THIS NOW FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME 10 MINUTES AGO, AND I'M BEING ASKED TO SAY, YEAH, OR DID SUPERVISORS DO THAT? I SHARED WITH YOU IN MY COMMENTS EARLIER THAT I HAVE VERY LITTLE CONFIDENCE IN THE BIGGER POLICY MAKING OR BUREAUCRACY.
I ASKED YOU NOT TO GET ME STARTED ON WATERWAYS OF THE UNITED STATES.
WHAT IS A PERENNIAL SPRING STREAM? WHAT ISN'T? WHAT IS WATER? WHAT ISN'T WATER? THAT IS, ARE ALL DECISIONS MADE BY STAFF, NOT BY LEGISLATORS.
AND TO ABROGATE THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO STAFF, WHICH WAS JUST ASKED, WHO DECIDES WHEN DID THEY DECIDE? AND HOW HAS THAT CHANGED AND HOW OFTEN HAS IT CHANGED? I'VE TOLD MR. CARPENTER AND THE STAFF, I HAVE HUGE CONFIDENCE IN THE FOLKS WE HAVE HERE TODAY.
BUT THIS'LL BE A CHANGE THAT'LL BE IN PLACE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
WHO ARE WE GONNA HAVE HERE MAKING THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS.
SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO VOTE NO, PLEASE VOTE TO DEFER.
IT NEEDS MORE TIME TO DEFINE SOME OF THESE DETAILS IN HERE.
AND I PROMISE YOU I WILL PUT THE TIME IN TO LEARN.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF A EFFICIENT GOVERNMENT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THIS HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SEEING THIS 10 MINUTES AGO FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, AND YOU'VE GOTTEN THE EMAILS, PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING ASKED HERE.
PLEASE VOTE NOW OR VOTE TO DEFER.
OH, IT'S ON, UH, JOHN SHUNNING THREE 30 RY FIELD ROAD, EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
UM, LIKE JOHN, THIS WAS THE FIRST I'D HEARD ABOUT THIS PROCESS, UH, THIS, UH, CHANGE.
UH, WE NEEDED A COMMUNITY MEETING TO TALK ABOUT REMOVING THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
UM, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THE SUPER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WANTS THE MONTH OR TWO MONTHS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE PRESERVING FOR YOU TO DECIDE AND LOOK AT THINGS AND, UH, COME UP WITH WHETHER, UH, HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT.
SO OF THE CITIZENS AND YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THAT AN OBJECTIVE SET OF
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CRITERIA FOR NOT HAVING A COMMUNITY MEETING IS IT'S ACCEPTABLE.I JUST HEARD ABOUT THAT BEING IN THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT.
BUT IT'S GOT TO BE OBJECTIVE AND IT'S GOT TO BE A YES OR A NO.
AND WHEN IN DOUBT HAVE THE STUPID COMMUNITY MEETING AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY THAT AREN AS DUTIFUL ABOUT COMING TO THE MEETINGS AS, AS OTHERS ARE.
AND IT'S GREAT TO BE FAT, DUMB AND HAPPY AND LIVING IN GLAND COUNTY, UH, I THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE, UH, PROCEDURES TO PUSH INFORMATION TO THOSE THAT MAY BE AFFECTED BY ZONING CHANGES OR DIFFERENT, UH, UM, BUILDING CHANGES.
SO, UH, PLEASE, UH, VOTE TO DEFER THIS TONIGHT UNTIL IT'S, UH, BETTER DEFERRING.
MY NAME IS PAUL COSTELLO, 2111 MANNEQUIN SABBA, UH, SYCAMORE CREEK AND MIN SABBATH.
UM, LIKE JONATHAN AND AND OTHERS THAT HAVE SPOKE TONIGHT, UM, I RECOMMEND YOU DENY THIS.
I THINK WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN EXPLORE AND ACHIEVE EFFICIENCIES, OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES, VERY SENSITIVE TO STAFF TIME.
I KNOW THAT THEY SPEND A LOT OF TIMES IN THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND I EMPATHIZE WITH THAT.
BUT I THINK TO HAVE THIS AND UNDER NOT UNDERSTAND IT, SEE IT REALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME, UM, I THINK IT DOES UNDERMINE TRANSPARENCY.
I ALSO THINK IT UNDERMINES THE CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.
JONATHAN MADE AN EXCELLENT POINT TO ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES AT A PLANNING COMMISSION AND ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES AT A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING TO EXPRESS CONCERNS.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO YOU, IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE CITIZENS.
THERE IS NO CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT PROCESS UNDER THE CURRENT PROCESSES.
WHAT THE CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT PROCESS REALLY ENTAILS NOW IS A COMMUNITY MEETING WHERE YOU CAN SIT AND HAVE INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION TO JUST TO HAVE YOU ALL LISTEN BUT NOT HAVE TO RESPOND AND NOT ENGAGE IN DIALOGUE AND DISCOURSE, I THINK REALLY UNDERMINES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB IN CONTINUING TO EVOLVE, UH, WITH TRANSPARENCY AND WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR CONCERNS, UH, TO BE THOUGHTFUL, TO SEEK REC, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK THERE ARE IS MIDDLE GROUND IN A LOT OF THESE SITUATIONS.
UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO OFFER TO YOU NOW THAT THE CURRENT PROCESS OF GETTING A LETTER TO ONLY ADJOINING NOT NEIGHBORHOODS, TO ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
SOMETIMES THOSE NEIGHBORS GET LETTERS, THEY REACH OUT TO THEIR OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO ARE NOT TECHNICALLY ADJOINING, BUT COULD BE IMPACTED BY A C U P ACTION OR A REZONING ACTION.
SO I THINK THE YELLOW SIGNS OF SOME THINGS THAT HAVE EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS THAT HAVE HELPED, BUT I WOULD ALSO SUBMIT THEY FALL FAR SHORT OF, OF COMMUNICATION.
AND I THINK WE DO NEED TO TAKE FURTHER STEPS TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE BETTER COMMUNICATE, MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF ISSUES, AND AT THE SAME TIME ACHIEVE EFFICIENCIES THAT ARE SENSITIVE TO STAFF'S TIME.
SO I AGAIN REQUEST THAT YOU DENY TONIGHT'S APPLICATION OR AT A MINIMUM DEFERRED UNTIL WE CAN REALLY THINK THIS DUE WITH SOME MORE TIME.
ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE? MR. LUKINS? MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I MOVE THAT WE DEFER THIS, UM, MATTER AND I'M, I WANT A LITTLE GUIDANCE FROM MR. CARPENTER.
SHOULD WE LOOK AT MARCH OR APRIL? UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT, UH, AGENDA LOAD AND ALSO TIME FOR, UM, STAFF TO BUDGET MS. LUM CAN APRIL WILL BE DOING THE BUDGET.
UM, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WISHES TO KIND OF MULL OVER, I WOULD SUGGEST WE CAN GO TO MAY MAYBE WITH IT.
THE BOARD HAS A SECOND MEETING IN APRIL SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR ANY, UH, ZONING HEARINGS.
YOU HAVE YOUR REGULAR APRIL MEETING, YOU HAVE ONLY YOUR BUDGET HEARING, BUT THEN YOU HAVE YOUR APRIL EIGHT 18 MEETING, WHICH IS DESIGNED FOR OKAY.
PLANNING ZONING STUFF IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S MY MOTION TO MOVE THE DEFER THIS MATTER TO APRIL 18TH SECOND.
AND I'M READY TO, I'M SORRY TO, TO THANK YOU.
I'M READY TO DISCUSS, UH, UH, QUICKLY.
I I WAS NOT, AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF THE EMAILS TOO, AND, AND I WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS.
WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION, BUT WE'VE JUMPED TO THE OTHER EXTREME WITH THIS.
AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND STA MS. S I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING THE CASE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MOVING ALL OF THIS DECISION TO PURELY OPERATIONAL.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT READY TO TAKE THAT OUT OF REALLY THE CITIZEN'S HANDS BY TAKING IT OUT OF THE REPRESENTATIVE'S HANDS.
WE'RE NOT READY TO, TO HAND LIKE MR. LYLE, MR. LYLE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING,
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WE'RE PUTTING ALL THESE THINGS IN IN STAFF'S HANDS.WE KNOW STAFF WILL DO, RIGHT? WE KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THAT WHERE WE WANT TO GET RID OF COMMUNITY MEETING, COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
BUT I THINK AS WE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, I I DON'T, I'M, I'M NOT INCLINED TO, YOU KNOW, REZONING CASES.
THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS THAT SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC AND THEY SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC BY ORDINANCE SO THAT IF WE EVER CHANGE THAT, THERE'LL BE PUBLIC INPUT TO SAY, OKAY, YOU'RE TAKING THIS TYPE OF CASE OUT OF AUTOMATIC COMMUNITY MEETING BECAUSE THE POINT HAS BEEN WELL MADE.
COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE THE PLACE, UM, WHERE CITIZENS HAVE REASONABLE INPUT AND, AND INTERACTIVE INPUT.
BUT IT'S ALSO PLACES WHERE THE APPLICANT, UH, CAN LEARN A LOT AND, AND PREPARE TO PUT THEIR APPLICATION IN, IN A MANNER THAT ADDRESSES COMMUNITY CONCERNS.
NOW, NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE MERITS OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND WE KNOW STAFF GETS IT AND IS TRYING TO LINE UP THE POLICY WITH WHAT WE WANT, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S WISE FOR THIS BOARD TO HAND IT ALL OVER TO STAFF.
AND SO FOR THAT REASON, LET, LET'S COME BACK WITH TAKING OFF THE TYPES OF MEETINGS.
THE ONES THAT WE, THIS WHOLE THING STARTED WITH IS THE C U P RENEWALS WHERE THERE'VE BEEN NO PROBLEMS AND, AND WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A PAIN FOR THE APPLICANT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO I THINK, I THINK WITH JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS WE CAN, WE CAN HAMMER OUT SOME THINGS THAT SHOULD STAY MANDATORY UNDER CODE.
AND, AND THEN WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE PUSH TO THE OPERATIONAL COMPONENT OF, OF STAFF? THAT'S, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL, VOTE.
I'M SORRY, MR. ROBERT, I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT I WANNA MAKE IS I DO WANNA STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF US HAVING COMPETENT AND SKILLED STAFF AND ALSO PUTTING SOME TRUST IN THEM.
AND THAT GOES A LONG WAY IN KEEPING COMPETENT AND SKILLED STAFF.
I DO THINK THERE WAS THOUGHTFULNESS PUT INTO THIS, AND IT IS NOT, IN MY OPINION, TAKING AWAY FROM TRANSPARENCY, ESPECIALLY THE PROVISION.
IF YOU SEE THAT SIGN AND HAVE OPPOSITION, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL YOUR SUPERVISOR.
AND WE CAN, I MEAN, I, I, I WOULD, I NEVER COULD IMAGINE A SITUATION WHERE I'D GET, IF I EVEN GOT ONE EMAIL, ONE CALL AND SAID, HERE ARE THE REASONS I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROJECT, WHY I WOULDN'T IMMEDIATELY REACH OUT TO THE STAFF AND SAY, WE NEED THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
SO I DO, I DO WANT US TO GET, I WANT US TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN MAKE OUR STAFF FEEL APPRECIATED, TRUSTED.
AND I DON'T THINK THIS STRIPS TRANSPARENCY OUT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE TABLE TO DEFER TO THE APRIL 18TH, 18TH MEETING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I HAVE ONE QUESTION JUST FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.
UM, IN PREPARATION FOR COMING BACK, UM, IN APRIL, I BELIEVE IS SORRY, IN APRIL.
UM, JUST SO THAT MR. CARPENTER AND MYSELF, UM, ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS FOR YOU ALL BASED ON TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, THE IDEA IS TO COME UP WITH A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT THAT LEAVES IN LEGAL LANGUAGE THAT HAS AUTOMATIC TRIGGERS OF COMMUNITY MEETING AND THEN SOME PIECES THAT PERHAPS LEAVE SOMETHING AT STAFF DISCRETION OR JUST COMPLETELY OUTLINES EVERYTHING.
CUZ RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST VERY BLANKET LANGUAGE.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS VERY CLEAR SO THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS, WHETHER IT BE BY, MOSTLY BY ORDINANCE, THAT IS, IT TAKES SORT OF THE SUBJECTIVITY OUT OF IT.
AND PRETTY MUCH ANYBODY KNOWS WHETHER A MEETING IS GOING TO BE MANDATED.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL WEIGH IN QUICKLY.
AND, AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT, THIS IS NOT ABOUT QUESTIONING STAFF AT ALL.
YOU, YOU DID, YOU, YOU'RE PUT TOGETHER EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO HEAD, I THINK TAKE YOUR POLICY MM-HMM.
IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE ONES THAT YOU'VE LISTED IN POLICY, THERE ARE ALWAYS MEETINGS.
IF YOU HAVE AREAS THAT ARE HYBRID, TALK TO US IN THE TWO BY TWO MEETINGS ABOUT LEAVING SOME THINGS HYBRID.
THEN PUT THE CATEGORY IN POLICY THAT NO
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MEETING UNLESS STAFF OR SOMEBODY, A BOARD MEMBER OR SOMEBODY REQUESTS.I THINK JUST PULL SOME OF THOSE MUST-HAVES BACK INTO THE CODIFICATION.
WE JUST DIDN'T WANNA END UP WITH ANOTHER DEFERRAL.
WE WANNA GET IT RIGHT THE SECOND TIME.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK YOU ALL.
WE'LL WORK WITH MS. MCGEE, MR. CARPENTER AND I TO GET IT RIGHT.
WE'VE GOT OUR SECOND CASE, I GUESS REALLY OUR FOURTH, UM, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING COUNTY CODE APPENDIX B FOR SUBDIVISIONS.
[4. 5618: Countywide – ZOA-2022-00007 – Ordinance amending County Code]
AND WHERE'D THE CLICKER GO? I THINK I STOLE IT ONE MOMENT.I PACKED IT UP WHEN I LEFT CUZ I WANTED TO TAKE IT WITH ME.
UH, THIS IS OUR SECOND PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE OR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THIS EVENING.
UM, IT'S AN AMENDMENT THAT IS PURELY A MATTER, UM, OF CLEANING UP CODE LANGUAGE.
WE HAD DUPLICATIVE LANGUAGE, WHICH MEANS WE HAD SOME ACCESS MANAGEMENT LANGUAGE THAT APPEARED TWICE IN COUNTY CODE IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.
ONE IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THEN AGAIN IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, IS A HOUSEKEEPING MATTER.
THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE, ACCESS MANAGEMENT LANGUAGE CURRENTLY EXISTS IN BOTH ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ACCESS MANAGEMENT WAS MOVED INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE DURING THAT REWRITE.
THAT WAS DONE NOT TOO LONG AGO, BUT IT STILL RESIDES IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO THE REMOVAL WAS TO OCCUR WITH HER SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REWRITE, WHICH HAS NOT YET BEEN COMPLETED.
SO A AS AN EFFORT TO KIND OF, UM, EAT THE ELEPHANT ONE BITE AT A TIME, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, ASK FOR APPROVAL IN THIS HOUSEKEEPING MEASURE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS AT THEIR JANUARY 5TH MEETING WITH A FIVE OH VOTE.
ANY QUESTIONS? BOARD ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST US? PLEASE, UH, COME UP, GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS IN THREE MINUTES.
SCENE NONE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BOARD.
MR. JUDGE, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, UM, THIS REALLY IS JUST ELIMINATING A REDUNDANCY.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT REPEALING ARTICLE 10, ACCESS MANAGEMENT IN ITS ENTIRETY AS THIS SECTION HAS BEEN MOVED TO ARTICLE 23 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
MS. LASETTE, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL VOTE.
MR. HARRIS TO YOU MS. MCGEE? YES.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE LAST PUBLIC
[5. 5609: Countywide Ordinance amending County Code Secs. 2-26 (Official electoral]
HEARING BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, UH, HAS TO DO WITH AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO YOUR ELECTORAL MAP AND THE DESCRIPTION OF YOUR ELECTION, UH, DISTRICTS AND PRECINCTS.I HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD NOW OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
UM, THIS HAS TO DO WITH CLEANING UP 10 PARCELS BETWEEN GUC AND COUNTY AND LOUISA COUNTY THAT WERE NOT CORRECTED IN THE BIG 2019 BOUNDARY REVISION THAT WAS DONE AND ADOPTED AND INCORPORATED.
UM, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE HAD A BOUNDARY LINE AGREEMENT APPROVED BY BOTH BOARDS.
THIS IS NOW SIMPLY CHANGING OUR ELECTION DISTRICT AND PRECINCT ORDINANCES PLUS ADOPTING OUR NEW MAP, UM, TO IMPLEMENT THOSE CHANGES.
AND AGAIN, IT IMPACTS, THESE CHANGES ACTUALLY IMPACT FEWER THAN 10.
CUZ THERE WERE NOT VERY MANY, UH, PARCELS THAT WERE AT A DISTRICT LINE OR PRECINCT LINE.
BUT THIS IS THE, UH, FINAL PROCEDURAL STEP BEFORE THE BOARD IMPLEMENT THOSE CHANGES.
AND SHOULD THE BOARD ACT FAVORABLY ON THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TONIGHT, THEN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE VIRGINIA VOTING RIGHTS ACT, THIS, UH, WOULD BE SENT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TO OBTAIN A CERTIFICATE OF NO OBJECTION, BUT WE DO EXPECT THE ENTIRE PROCESS TO BE COMPLETE IN TIME FOR THE PRIMARIES AND CANDIDATES FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
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WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.DO I HAVE A MOTION CONVERSATION? DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE GLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COUNTY CODE TO COMPLY WITH THE RECENT CHANGES TO THE GLAND LOUISA BOUNDARY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, ROLL CALL VOTE.
MS. B, THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO GET OUR BORDERS STRAIGHT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH.
WELL G CAN YOU CAME TO A QUICK ONE THIS TIME? THIS IS PROBABLY THE QUICKEST ONE IN TWO YEARS.
UM, I WILL BE ADJOURNING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS UNTIL OUR FEBRUARY 21ST 2:00 PM BOARD BUDGET SESSION MEETING IN ROOM TWO 50.
AND THEN OUR MARCH 7TH, 2023 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS 2:00 PM REGULAR MEETING WITH 6:00 PM PUBLIC HEARINGS.