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I USED TO HAVE THAT IN THIS ROOM.
UH, WELCOME EVERYBODY TO OUR 1:00 PM UH, WORK SESSION.
WHERE, WHERE WE DISCUSSING TRANSPORTATION.
SO JUST SO FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE ARE AWARE, UM, WE, UH, WE HAD TO MOVE OUR, WE HAD TRANSPORTATION BOARD SCHEDULED FOR THIS AF FOR THIS MORNING, HAVE TO BE MOVED THIS AFTERNOON COMBINED WITH THIS MEETING.
SO THE FIRST PROBABLY HOUR AND 15 MINUTES OF THIS MEETING, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION RELATED ITEMS, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO THE CIP P.
SO IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THE CIP P STUFF AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO STEP OUT BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S ROADS, UM, FEEL FREE TO DO SO.
SO I'LL GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE AND WE'LL ALL LOOK THE OTHER WAY AWAY FROM THE DOORS, SO WE WON'T SEE YOU SNEAKS OUT BACK.
IF NOT, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD.
WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLY FULL AGENDA TODAY.
UM, I'M GUESSING MR. PETERSON IS MAYBE STUCK ON ROUTE SIX, BUT, UM, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD, UH, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO FORWARD? OKAY.
UM, SO YEAH, THIS IS A TRANSPORTATION WORKSHOP, KIND OF TYING IN THE CIP P UH, NARRATIVE AS FAR AS TRANSPORTATION PRIORITY MOVING FORWARD.
UM, THE ORIGINAL AGENDA FOR THIS MORNING'S PRESENTATION WAS A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
I, IN THE SAKE OF TIME, I'LL, I'LL, I WON'T TOUCH ON THERE, INCLUDED IN COPIES OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT SOME CURRENT EFFORTS AND STAFFS UNDERTAKING AS WELL AS THE SMART SCALE RESULTS.
UH, FROM THE ROUND OF STATE FUNDING, WE HAD FOUR APPLICATIONS.
UH, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL WITH GETTING ONE OF THE FULLY FUNDED.
UM, BUT REALLY THE BULK OF THE PRESENTATION IS WHAT'S FOLDED UP THERE THAT I WANT FOCUS TODAY ON, TO MAKE SURE WE GET TO, TO THAT PART IS THE TRANSPORTATION C I P OVERVIEW FRAMEWORK FOR SMALL PROJECTS, AND THEN THE WORKSHOP FORM LOOKING FORWARD.
UM, AND THEN IDEALLY, IF WE HAVE TIME AT THE END, I WANT TO DO A QUICK FOLLOW UP ON THE FAIR ROAD STUDY AND KIND OF A FOLLOW UP ON THE WASTING UTILIZE.
PLEASE, OFFICER, JUST HOP IN THERE KIND.
SO WE STARTED DOING THESE, UM, WE WERE DOING A LITTLE BIT MORE FREQUENTLY NOW AS THE FUNDING SOURCES HAVE BECOME MORE AVAILABLE, AS WE HAVE A TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR THAT CAN ACTUALLY, UH, PULL THESE WORKSHOPS TOGETHER.
AND IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US AS THE BOARD AND CITIZENS OBSERVING TO SEE WHERE, WHERE WE ARE FOCUSING CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE, HOW DIFFICULT ALL FUNDING SOURCES OPTIONS ARE, HOW YOU HAVE TO SORT OF NAVIGATE THIS.
THERE'S AN ART AND A SCIENCE TO IT, WHICH WE'RE REALLY GROWING INTO DOING REALLY WELL.
SO THANK YOU AND YOUR, I GUESS, YOUR TEAM OF ONE-ISH CALLING, CALLING YOUR FRIENDS.
UH, BUT WE APPRECIATE THAT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS SESSION TODAY.
UM, SO TRANSPORTATION, C P OVERVIEW, UM, OUR DECEMBER WORKSHOP REVIEWED FUNDING SOURCES FOR VARIOUS TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
THE, THE GOAL OF THE NEXT SET OF SLIDES IS TO REALLY REVIEW THE PROJECTS THAT WERE LISTED PLUS ADDITIONAL PROJECTS, BUT THE ONES THAT WERE LISTED IN THE 2035 C P FROM A FEW YEARS AGO AS FAR AS ELIGIBILITY FOR THE VARIOUS FUNDING SOURCES, UH, REVIEW SOME RECOMMENDED PRIORITIES.
AND KIND OF THE OVERARCHING THEME OF THE CIP P OVERVIEW IS THAT FUNDING PRIORITIES NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE AND, AND SHALL BE AND SHOULD BE FLEXIBLE CAUSE PRIORITIES ARE CHANGING.
UH, ACTUALLY DDI WAS ACCOUNTING PRIORITY AND HAS BEEN JUST SOME TIME.
BUT WITH PROJECT ROCK, THE DEVELOPMENTAL GROWTH WE'RE SEEING ALONG THE NATIONAL CORRIDOR, IT BECAME PRIORITY NUMBER ONE OVERNIGHT.
SO THINGS LIKE THAT WE'RE ABLE, WE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SHIFT OUR FOCUS, UH, TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTY AS WE SEE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO WE, WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE WE STAY FLEXIBLE.
UM, SO I'M GONNA LOOK AT A COUPLE THINGS.
LIKE I MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, THE CIP P ELIGIBILITY, UH, IT'S GONNA KIND OF LEAD US INTO A PROPOSED GULA APPLICATION PLAN.
IT'S IT'S THOUGHTS FOR THE NEXT THREE OR SO YEARS ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS SHOULD GO INTO THE VARIOUS, UH, PUBLIC CAUSE FOR, FOR APPLICATIONS.
UH, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT I'M DUBBING THE GULA LOCAL SIX YEAR PLAN AS A WAY TO TRACK LOCAL DOLLARS, CBTA OR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS AND COORDINATION WITH SOME OF THOSE APPLICATIONS, OR ALSO AS PART OF SOME OF THE SMALL PROJECTS, WHICH WE'LL TOUCH ON LATER.
UM, AND SOME OF THE SOURCES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS IS FEDERAL SOURCES THROUGH THE I I J A AND THEN STATE AND REGIONAL SOURCES.
ONE THING YOU'LL NOTE ON THE CHART IN JUST A, IN A FEW SLIDES IS, UH, WE DON'T SHOW ELIGIBILITY FOR THE FEDERAL RESOURCES IN THAT THE FEDERAL GRANT OPPORTUNITIES ARE VERY MUCH A ONE-OFF OPPORTUNITY.
THEY, THEY CONTINUE TO POP UP OUT OF THE WOODWORK.
ANY AND ALL PROJECTS ARE IN THEORY ELIGIBLE FOR THE I A J A.
SO STAFF'S ALWAYS PURSUING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AS A ONE-OFF, KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THE PROPOSED APPLICATION PLAN, WHICH I'LL TOUCH ON, UM, METHODOLOGY THAT THAT STAFF TOOK FOR DETERMINING PRIORITIES ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE ELIGIBILITY IS REVIEWING THE ORIGINAL TRANSPORTATION
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CIP P VERSUS CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES.SO DO THE OLD PRIORITIES MATCH WITH WHAT'S CURRENTLY NEEDED IN THE COUNTY, UH, REVIEWING GROWTH PATTERNS IN THE COUNTY? WHERE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE'RE SEEING, UH, THE PROJECTS COME IN IN THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY FOR SURE, BUT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY SEEING A LOT OF GROWTH ALONG THE FAIRGROUND CORRIDOR IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA.
UNDERTOOK A REVIEW OF THE RECENT STUDIES AND TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UH, SUBMITTALS WITH VARIOUS RE ZONING PROJECTS, BUT THEN ALSO LOOKING AT THE ROUND TWO 50 STAR STUDY AND THE ROUTE 2 88 STAR STUDY, WHICH ARE STUDIES THAT
UH, AND THEN ALSO TAKING A LOOK AT THE FAIRGROUND ROAD CORRIDOR STUDY THAT WAS JUST UNDERWAY AND, UH, RECEIVED BY THE BOARD ON THE SEVENTH.
ALSO LOOKED AT THE ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN AND MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT WERE DONE IN 2015 AND 2018 RESPECTIVELY TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF VARIOUS PROJECTS AND, AND HOW THOSE PRIORITIES FROM THOSE PLANS ALIGN WITH, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES THAT WE'RE SEEING.
AND A KEY DETERMINATION IS THE, WE SELECTED PROJECTS BASED ON NOT ONLY THE CRITERIA LISTED ABOVE AND WHERE THEY CAME FROM, BUT IF IT'S WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR.
SO THE PROJECT MAY BE FIFTH AS FAR AS TOTAL PRIORITY, BUT IT'S THE ONLY ONE ELIGIBLE FOR A CERTAIN POT.
OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S GONNA BE THE FIRST ONE, AND IT MAY LOOK LIKE IT'S JUMPING THE, THE LINE, BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY ONE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT PARTICULAR SOURCE OF MINE.
COULD YOU JUST, YOU DON'T MIND MR. CHAIR, CHAIR, JUST REAL QUICK.
I'M GONNA ACTUALLY SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THIS IS A WORKSHOP, SO THERE'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CHAIR.
THIS IS FOR A CHANCE FOR US TO GET TOGETHER AND IT'S REALLY A WORKING SESSION, SO IT SHOULD BE INTERACTIVE FREE FALL.
UM, FOR ME, SOMETHING MISSING, AND MAYBE IT'S EMBEDDED AND IT'S THERE, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE IT, UM, IS PUBLIC SAFETY.
WHAT I SAY IS, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC, MOVING ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT, WHAT I DON'T SAY IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES SHOULD BE PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO, SO FOR INSTANCE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT KEEPS THE LIST OF ALL THE TRAFFIC INCIDENTS AND THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS IN THE COUNTY, AND THERE'S A TOP 20 OR 30, AND WE SHOULD AT LEAST MM-HMM.
AND MAYBE IT'S NOT DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES, MAYBE IT'S NOT, TRAFFIC'S NOT MOVING, MAYBE IT'S PEOPLE OR PROPERTY DAMAGED LIFE.
I THINK TO, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, IT IS MADE INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT WHERE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE SEE NEEDS HAPPEN TO COINCIDE WITH SOME OF THE HIGH INCIDENT AREAS.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT I WENT AROUND ABOUT THE P MANNEQUIN INTERSECTION.
IT'S ON, UH, IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE YOU STEPPED INTO THE ROOM, I THINK.
JUST, SORRY, THE WORDS YOU JUST USED IS THERE MAYBE HAPPENED TO BE A CORRELATION OR COINCIDENTAL? I'D LIKE IT TO BE A CONSCIOUS, I THINK MR. REED IS SAYING WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS, WE TALK ABOUT HOW OUR METHODOLOGY IS MOVING FORWARD, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT ONE OF THE FIRST BULLET SAYS PUBLIC SAFETY IS STATE ACCOUNT.
NO, INCLUDES FIRE RESCUE RESPONSE TIME, BRIDGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN AS WELL.
IF THEY HAVE TO GO AROUND A BRIDGE, IT'S NOT FOR, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE CONSCIOUS, DELIBERATE AS OPPOSED TO WE THINK IT'S IN THERE.
UM, SO FIRST GRAPHIC, I'LL SHOW YOU A C I P ELIGIBILITY.
SO THIS IS A QUICK RUN THROUGH, AGAIN, NOT OF THE FEDERAL SOURCE, THE I A J A, BUT THE STATE AND REGIONAL SOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US.
THE LIST THAT'S ON THE, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS NOT ONLY PROJECTS FROM THE 2035 CIP P BUT IT'S ALSO PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF RECENT, UM, STUDIES.
AND TO THE POINT ABOUT FIRE RESCUE RESPONSE, THE LIGHT BULB BRIDGE REPLACEMENT IS ONE THAT WAS MADE AN IMMEDIATE PRIORITY BECAUSE VIDE HAS NOW DEEMED THAT TO BE STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
SO IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR STATE FUNDS.
SO THAT'S ONE SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECT, THAT AGAIN, IT WAS KIND OF BAKED IN AND IT WAS CONSCIOUS IN MY MIND, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T, UH, CONSCIOUS ON THE PRESENTATION.
UM, SO THIS IS A, JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE ELIGIBILITY AS A WHOLE.
A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A LOT OF POTS OF MONEY, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHERE, WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
UH, AND THIS DOES INCORPORATE SOME OF THE CBTA CHANGES THAT WE'RE HOPING TO SEE FINALIZED AT THE FULL AUTHORITY MEETING VERY SHORTLY AS FAR AS THE ADDITIONAL GUIDELINES FOR, FOR OTHER PROJECTS.
UM, SO WE WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE IN THAT A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR, FOR QUITE A FEW POTS OF MONEY WITH CAN I ASK
ON THIS, I SEE EVERYTHING'S CBTA IS CHECKED.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE HAVE, IF WHAT YOU JUST SAID HAPPENS, IF IT GETS APPROVED, THEN THERE'S GONNA BE ONE WE CAN SUBMIT ONE EACH, CORRECT.
ONE THAT JUST, DO ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS MEET FIT UNDER THE CBTA CHECK MARK? CAUSE IT'S CALLED REGIONAL.
NO PROJECT THAT WE HAVE OTHER THAN THOSE ON SCRAP 2 88
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MEET THE CURRENT CBTA GUIDE.SO 20,000 VEHICLES PER DAY, OR THE 64 INTERCHANGES DUE BECAUSE THEY'RE FOUR DOORS STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE AND THINGS ON ROUTE TWO 50.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ROAD IN THE COUNTY THAT HAS 20,000 VEHICLES PER DAY, EXCEPT BROAD STREET AT THE COUNTY LINE AND ROUTE SIX AT THE COUNTY LINE.
SO, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S, THERE'S A BUNCH OF, BUT MAYBE EXCEPT FOR THAT, UH, NO, THE ROUTE THREE 80 BRIDGE STREET SHOP, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE THIRD ONE ON THERE THAT'S NOT ELIGIBLE AS REGIONAL.
IS IT THE ROUTE TWO THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE UNDER THE CAVEAT, UNDER THE NEW CRITERIA AS THE INELIGIBLE PROJECT? WELL THEN WHAT THE POINT IS, OF ALL THOSE THINGS, WE HAVE TO PICK ONE.
SO, SO WHAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IS IF WE HAD CVT A LOCAL FUNDS CBT REGIONAL, AND EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REGIONAL THAT SHOWS US LIKE, WOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR US REGIONAL.
WELL, AND THE INTENT WITH ALL THE CHECKS ON CBTA IS THAT WITH THE GUIDELINES POTENTIALLY CHANGING, RIGHT.
USING THE PROPOSED GUIDELINES THAT ARE GONNA BE BEFORE THE FULL AUTHORITY, EVERYTHING IS ELIGIBLE UNDER THE NEW GUIDELINES BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE A, THE CURRENT GUIDELINES ARE GONNA REMAIN IN PLACE AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A OTHER PROJECT.
ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY RULE WILL BE IS WITHIN YOUR COUNTY.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE, EVERY COUNTY WILL GET MINIMUM ONE PROJECT TO SUBMIT, WHICH INHERENTLY MAKES ALL OF OUR PROJECTS ELIGIBLE.
SO THIS JUST LEADS ANOTHER QUESTION.
THAT NEW CRITERIA'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
UH, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD COMPROMISE, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT CHANGING THE, THE DEFINITION OF REGIONAL ORDER REALLY GETTING INTO A COMPLEX, UH, FORMULA THAT PROBABLY UNWORKABLE THESE THINGS.
WE, WE HAVE TO PICK ONE, PUT IT ON THE CBT LIST, BUT IT'S GOING TO GET SCORED RELATIVE TO THEY SCORE GET SCORED, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THEY STILL BE SCORED IN THE SAME METHODOLOGY.
SO WE HAVE TO PICK SOMETHING THAT, AND IT'S USING THAT APPLICATION SLOT INTENTIONALLY AND, AND PUTTING A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO WHICH ONE MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THE FIRST ROUND, SECOND ROUND, THIRD ROUND.
IT'S FINDING THAT PRIORITY PROJECT TO SLIDE INTO THAT.
AND IT COMPETES WITH OTHER, WITH THE OTHER, OTHER JURISDICTIONS PROJECTS.
IT WILL COMPETE WITH THE SAME POOL OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE, IF IT WERE NORMALLY ELIGIBLE.
DO YOU WANT TO GET CRUSHED BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC COUNTS? THE, THE THOUGHT AT T IS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE OF A LOWER COST BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE OF THE RURAL PROJECTS, SMALL INTERSECTION TYPE PROJECTS.
SO THE LOWER COST, IT'S A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS.
JUST LIKE SMART SCALE, YOUR BENEFIT MAY BE A LITTLE LOWER, BUT YOUR COST MAY BE 10 TIMES LESS.
THEREFORE YOUR BENEFIT COST WILL BE VERY COMPETITIVE.
UM, SO IS THERE ANY, UM, MYTHOLOGY TO THE ORDER OF THESE, WHICH IS, THIS IS JUST AS THEY WERE LISTED ON THE OLD CIP P THIS IS NOT IN ANY ORDER PRIOR.
AND SO ANY PROJECTS WE MAY HAVE, UH, THAT WE CANNOT IDENTIFY FUNDING FOR WOULD NOT BE ON THIS LIST.
SO O OTHER BRIDGES, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE RIVER BRIDGE CULVERT REPLACEMENT IS NOT ON THIS LIST BECAUSE THERE'S CURRENTLY NOT ANY IDENTIFIED POT OF MONEY FOR THAT PROJECT.
SO HOW DO WE IDENTIFY, CAUSE WE HAVE OTHER BRIDGES THAT ARE FIRE RESCUE VEHICLES, CAN I TRAVEL? AND THEY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND, RIGHT? SO HOW ARE WE ADDRESSING THOSE? SO CURRENTLY THEY, THE PATH THAT WE'RE TAKING WITH THEM ARE, THEY NEED TO HIT THE, THE CHECKBOX OF BEING STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SGR FUNDS.
WE HAVE FIVE TOTAL WEIGHT LIMIT BRIDGES IN THE COUNTY.
THREE OF THEM DRAMATICALLY IMPACT FIRE RESPONSE TIMES.
OF THE THREE WHITE HALLS ARE ONLY ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE STATE POT AS IT STANDS TODAY.
THE ONLY OTHER AVENUE TO FUND THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE OTHER TWO WOULD BE LOCAL DOLLARS, WHETHER IT BE CBTA LOCAL OR FEDERAL FUND.
BUT THAT'S ANSWERING MY QUESTION.
WELL, LET ME, CAN I JUMP ON THERE? UM, BECAUSE THAT KIND OF GOES CONTRARY TO WHAT I WAS THINKING BEFORE.
BECAUSE ALL OF OUR PROJECTS SHOULD, ARE ELIGIBLE FOR CBT LOCAL FUNDS.
SO THAT'S WHY I DO THINK MAYBE CALLING OUT CBTA LOCAL VERSUS KNOWING THE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOW THE ONES THAT ARE ONLY AVAILABLE LOCAL.
THAT WAY WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE ALL, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE WE'RE ACCOUNTED FOR OUR ACCOUNT.
DOES THAT HELP SUSAN? WELL, YES.
I MEAN, EVEN IF WE CANNOT, OKAY.
EVEN IF WE CANNOT IDENTIFY, WE'RE NOT STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT OR WHATEVER MM-HMM.
UH, FIVE, UH, SIX FUNDING SOURCES UP TOP.
BUT SO HOW, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, SO WE JUST DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH THEM.
THAT'S, THEY'RE VERY MUCH A NEED.
IT'S BEING ABLE TO BALANCE THOSE NEEDS VERSUS THE CONGESTION NEEDS WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY.
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NO, I, NO, I GET IT.I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY NECESSARILY, I'M NOT SAYING THE PRIORITY.
ALL I'M SAYING IS WHY ARE WE NOT LISTING 'EM? MAYBE THERE'S NO FUNDING SOURCE AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS WHAT I'M SUGGESTING BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO KEEP THEIR EYES ON THIS ABSOLUTELY.
BUT I THINK TO YOUR QUESTION, THERE'S A FUNDING SOURCE FOR ANY OF 'EM BECAUSE WE HAVE LOCAL DOLLARS.
DO WE EVER SEE OURSELVES BEING ABLE TO FULLY FUND A PROJECT WITH LOCAL DOLLARS? WE'RE DOING BULL OUT WAY.
SO I THINK TO YOUR POINT, YEAH, I THINK IT, THIS IS PRESENTATIONAL ONLY FROM A, HEY, TRYING TO EXPLAIN HIS FUNDING SOURCES.
I DO BELIEVE THOUGH, AS MOVE FROM THE WORKING PERSPECTIVE, ABSOLUTELY PAID BENEFICIAL TO HAVE AN EXPANDED LIST.
AND IF THERE'S SOME FIVE PROJECTS THAT HAVE NO ELIGIBILITY, THEN IT, YOU KNOW, IT MAYBE MADE SENSE TO SHOW THOSE AT FIVE OR SO.
WELL, WE WOULD HAVE TO, BUT LIKE MR SAID, IN THE CIP P OR SOMETHING ELSE, WE'D HAVE TO PUMP, WE KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT.
WE GOTTA FIND DIFFERENT WAY TO FUND IT.
SO BASE SALES, IF IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NOT ON THIS SLIDE, IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT COUNTING PRIORITIES.
THERE'S NOT THE INTENT AS FAR AS WHAT THIS IS SHOWING.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT FORGOTTEN.
IT'S JUST THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE.
AND THAT WAS THE INTENT BEHIND THIS.
UM, APOLOGI, PLEASE, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I JUST WANNA BE SURE WE'RE NOT, UM, NO, ABSOLUTELY GOT, THOSE ARE PROJECTS AND BRILES BRIDGE IS A PROJECT THAT'S VERY MUCH A PRIORITY.
UM, AND ALONG WITH THE OTHER TWO WAY BRIDGES.
AND THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS LIST IS INCORPORATED THE, UH, FAIR ROAD STUDY.
AND THEN THE PARKWAY FIFTH DOWN, JUST ABOUT THE DOUBLE LINE THERE.
WHAT IS THAT PROJECT? CAUSE THEY JUST REPAINT THE RELINED AND DID THAT EARLIER.
SO LOOKING BACK AT THE CIP P DESCRIPTION, IT'S A, UH, SHOULDER WIDENING IN SOME PLACES.
UH, SO ADDING FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES IN CERTAIN AREAS.
CREEK PARKWAY, THEY JUST PAV THAT THIS, THIS LIST DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN VIDO MAY HAVE COME BACK WITH MAINTENANCE PAVING AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I WANNA GET THROUGH THAT FAR DOWN THE WEEDS.
THIS IS HELPFUL TO SEE THE, THE POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES.
SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, REORGANIZATION OF THESE BY, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED BILLION HUNDRED, JUST WISH WISHLIST AND THE ONES FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND COULD ACTUALLY PULL THE TRADE ON, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME REALITY CHECK AND AS PART OF IT.
AND THEN ALSO IF YOU CAN DO MAYBE ONE FOR ASTERISK OR IN RED THAT ARE PUBLIC SAFETY IN NATURE AS OPPOSED TO JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN LOOK AT IT.
THIS IS THE SCATTER PLOT SAYS HERE'S THE FUNDING AND HERE'S ALL THE PROJECTS, WHICH IS PERFECT LATER ON.
LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT LENS.
SO WITH THIS ELIGIBILITY STAFF CREATED A PROPOSED APPLICATION PLAN LOOKING AT THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
SO THIS IS 20 23, 20 24, 20 25.
AGAIN, KEEP KEEPING IN MIND THAT EVERY YEAR THERE'S DIFFERENT POTS OF MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE.
SMART SCALES EVERY OTHER YEAR.
CBTA IS NOW GOING TO EVERY OTHER YEAR.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU MAY NOT SEE CERTAIN FUNDING POTS IN CERTAIN YEARS.
UM, SO THIS IS STAFF'S CURRENT PROPOSED PRIORITY LIST, IF YOU WILL, FOR, FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS FOR APPLICATION SLOT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY I'M, I'M NOT EXPECTING THERE TO BE, UH, POTENTIAL CHANGES COME OUT OF THE WORKSHOP TO LIKE, RIGHT, RIGHT THIS SECOND.
BUT I, I WANTED TO GET IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, UH, ANYTHING THAT POPS OUT IMMEDIATELY.
JUST WANTED TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
AND I'M WILLING TO TALK ABOUT ANY PROJECT ON HERE AS FAR AS WHY
GOT SOME FAIRGROUND ROAD STUFF IN HERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S AT THE END OF THIS SECTION.
SO HOW DO YOU HAVE TWO FAIR? ARE YOU FAIR ROAD NAMES IN HAW TOWN? YOU HAVE THEM IN THE SAME YEAR WITH TP? HOW, HOW, HOW DOES THAT, HOW'S THAT POSSIBLE WITH NEW CRITERIA'S? JUST GOING TO BE, UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET REGIONAL, SO THE TPO DOESN'T FOLLOW THE SAME DEFINITION AS CBTA.
TPOS GOT A FEW MORE ELIGIBLE ROADWAYS THAN CBTA DOES.
THEY HAVE TO BE ON, UM, ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS.
SO THOSE PROJECTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR TPO, NOT TRADITIONALLY CBTA, BUT THE NEW CBTA ONE-OFF.
IS WHY THE ROUNDABOUT IS HERE.
SO THE THOUGHT WITH THE ROUNDABOUT PROJECT IS NOT KNOWING THE COST TODAY OF WHAT THE PROJECT MAY BE, BECAUSE I KNOW THE PLANNING LEVEL COST ESTIMATE IN THE FAIR ROUND CORRIDOR STUDY, I'LL, I'LL SAY IT'S NOT ACCURATE BECAUSE I KNOW THE ROUNDABOUT RIGHT HERE WAS SIX AND A HALF MILLION.
THEY WERE SAYING THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD BE THREE, THREE AND A HALF MILLION.
I JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT AN ACCURATE COST.
SO ASSUMING IT'S SIX TO 7 MILLION, IF IT'S NOT FULLY FUNDED THROUGH CBT, MAYBE WE ASK FOR THREE OR FOUR.
WE ASK FOR, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY THROUGH TBG, WHICH IS WHAT THE, THE FUNDS THE TPO MANAGES.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FUNDS AVAILABLE THROUGH THAT YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT.
SO IT'S GETTING A PIECE THERE AND A PIECE THROUGH, UH, THE CBTA AND THEN IF WE NEED ANY, I DID WANNA PLUG IT INTO SMART SCALE AS A AS NEEDED APPLICATION.
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AND AGAIN, IF CBTA FULLY FUNDS IT UPFRONT, THEN AGAIN PART ABOUT BEING FLEXIBLE IS NOW SLIDING IN A NEW PRIORITY.CAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING FULLY FUNDED AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO APPLY AND IN THREE DIFFERENT PLACES.
AND IF ONE GETS APPROVED, WE CAN RESHUFFLE THE DECK CORRECT LATER.
IF, IF WE APPLY FOR, SAY THE COST HAS TO BEEN SIX AND A HALF MILLION JUST FOR A ROUND NUMBER FOR CBT, IF WE ONLY GET AWARDED FOUR, WELL THEN WE GO THROUGH WITH EITHER THE TPO OR THE SMART SCALE APPLICATION BECAUSE WE NEED AN EXTRA TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
WHEN DOES THE NEXT SMART SCALE OPEN UP? SMART SCALE PRE-APPLICATION WILL OPEN UP THIS FOLLOWING SPRING.
SO IT WILL BE APRIL 1ST ISH OF 2024 WILL BE THE PRE-APPLICATION PHASE FOR SMART SCALE.
CBTA OPENS UP THIS FALL FOR AN APPLICATION CYCLE.
UM, TPOS GOING THROUGH THEIR CURRENT APPLICATION CYCLE, WHICH IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE ANY TPO LISTED FOR 2023.
WE HAVE POCKET ROAD IN CURRENT TP IN TPO FUNDING.
WE THAT PROJECT WITH THE SHEER AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TIED TO THAT THROUGH THE TPO, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER ONE READY TO APPLY AND DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS MORE OR LESS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITH THE TB ONE COST AND OUR PROJECT KIND OF BEING AT THE FOREFRONT.
THIS IS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL PROPOSED.
SO TAP COURTHOUSE, SIDEWALKS, TAP, WHY IS THAT OUT 2025? IS THAT, IS THAT JUST WHEN THOSE TAP, THAT'S THE NEXT CYCLE.
THERE'S A CYCLE FOR THIS YEAR, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE'LL GET, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO A PRE-APPLICATION WORKSHOP FOR BOTH REVENUE SHARE AND TAP.
AND I DON'T KNOW TO THE LEVEL WE'LL NEED DUE DILIGENCE ON THE COURTHOUSE SIDEWALK PROJECT TO DO SOME INFILL.
IT MIGHT NOT BE A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE.
AND AGAIN, IT SLIDES UP TO THE 2023 SLIDE, BUT CURRENTLY THE NEXT SLOT WOULD BE 2025.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ALL THAT DUE DILIGENCE, 30,000 FEET AGAIN.
AND IN MY MIND, I'M PICTURING A MAP OF THE COUNTY ON OUR PRIMARY ROADWAYS AND INTERSECTIONS AND I'M PICTURING COLOR CODED RED, YELLOW, GREEN, RED.
WE GOT TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, YELLOW ONES BORDERLINE AND GREEN.
AND THEN SUPERIMPOSING THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS, 10 20 INTERSECTIONS.
AND THEN I'M THINKING, OKAY, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
AND IF WE DO ALL OF THIS FOR THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS AND FULLY IMPLEMENT, HOW DOES THE RED LINES AND RED INTERSECTIONS DONE AT MAP CHANGE? YOU KNOW, HAVE WE, ARE WE REALLY ADDRESSING THE MOST NEEDS IF WE FULLY IMPLEMENTED IT? OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S AVAILABLE MONEY TO DO THIS AND THAT? AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY WE ARE ADDRESSING THOSE NEEDS IN THAT SOME OF THE PROJECTS, THE ROUTE 2 88 PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY WERE OUT OF STUDIES THAT SHOWED THESE SOLID RED LINES OF MAJOR CONGESTION ISSUES.
SO WE'RE SOLVING SOME OF THOSE.
THE ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH CAME OUT, LOOKED AT TWO 50 FROM, I THINK, UH, MANNEQUIN ROAD IN CENTERVILLE TO THE COUNTY LINE.
IT SHOWED THAT CONGESTION BOTH AT THE TIME IN 2015 PLUS THE OUT YEARS ASSUMING GROWTH RATES AND SUCH.
UM, SO IT'S TAKING THOSE PROJECTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED IN THE VARIOUS STUDIES WHEN THEY WERE RECOMMENDED TO TAKE FROM RED TO GREEN OR RED Y OVER Y'ALL OVER THE GREEN.
THINK MAYBE, I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING IS FOR THE FUTURE IS IF WE HAD SOME SORT OF VISUAL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WORKING WITH VDOT ON, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THEIR MAP OF WHERE THINGS ARE AND LINKING EITHER OURS TO THEIRS SHOW'S AN WAY TO GO, OH, MAKING SOME REALLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE HERE.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, MOVING PEOPLE QUICKER AND SAFER THROUGH THE COUNTY.
SO I I WILL SAY INHERENTLY THAT IS WHERE THESE PROJECTS ARE COMING FROM FOR THE MOST PART.
I, I DON'T THINK THIS LIST NOT BEING HERE FOR THE FULL DEVELOPMENT OF IT PROJECTS WEREN'T JUST PULLED OUT OF THIN AIR.
THEY DID DEVELOP OUT SOME PLAN THAT SHOWED RED TO GREEN, YELLOW TO GREEN AND, AND, AND PROJECTS TO THE LIGHT THAT WOULD SOLVE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING THE NEEDLE AND WE'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, RUNNING HARD AND SPENDING MONEY.
THE GOAL HERE IS NOT TO SPEND MONEY FOR THE SAKE OF SPENDING MONEY.
IT'S TO SPEND MONEY TO AFFECT BETTER CHANGE FOR TRANSPORTATION OF THE COUNTY.
WE'RE NOT SPENDING IT JUST CUZ IT'S AVAILABLE.
THAT, THAT'S NOT THE GOAL HERE EITHER.
I JUST WANT TO BACK UP FOR A SECOND.
WE'RE REALLY DOING THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF OUR ENTIRE AND I THINK SOME SORT OF GIS VISUAL AID THAT MAYBE WE CAN PULL TOGETHER OVER BEFORE AND AFTER NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS IS YEAH, BEFORE WE DO ALL THIS, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
IF WE, IF WE DO ALL THIS PLAN, FULLY IMPLEMENT, WE AGGRESSIVELY, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN, THIS IS WHERE IT'LL TAKE.
AND, AND ONE THING, AND I SKIPPED OVER THE CURRENT EFFORTS PART OF THE PRESENTATION JUST FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.
IF WE HAVE TIME, I'D LOVE TO GET IN INTO IT AT THE END.
BUT ONE OF THE CURRENT EFFORTS THAT WE'RE UNDERTAKING THAT I THINK WE CAN TIE THAT DIRECTLY INTO IS PROJECT WEBPAGES.
AS FAR AS PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWEAR DESIGNED.
WE'RE GONNA HOPEFULLY HAVE WEBPAGES FOR THOSE BEFORE TOO LONG.
I LIKE IT IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW EVERYTHING GOES.
UM, IT'S MAYBE HAVING ONE THAT
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HAS A MAP OF THIS, THIS MAP THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO.IT'S WHERE THE APPLICATIONS ARE WITHIN THE COUNTY, NOT ONLY THE UNDERWAY PROJECTS.
AND THEN SHOWING HOW THEY ACTUALLY IMPACT THINGS.
I MEAN, REPEAT THIS, KEEP MOVING HERE.
BUT IN MY TOWN HALLS INITIALLY MM-HMM.
I DUNNO IF ANYBODY TO NAME THOSE RIGHT NOW, BUT ONE OF THEM PERSISTENTLY EVERY YEAR WAS AT THE TOP WAS TO ABROAD RIGHT BEFORE THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND WE TRAFFIC CAMPS, THOSE ACCIDENTS AND PROPERTY DAMAGE AND LOSS OF LIFE POTENTIALLY TO GO TO B I'D SAY THIS IS NUMBER ONE IN OUR LIST.
IT'S THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
YOU'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE CARNAGE HERE.
AND THEY DID, THEY PUT ON TOP OF THE LIST AND ACCELERATED AND GOT IT DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND THOSE LIGHTS THAT WERE SAVE, I DUNNO HOW MUCH IN TERMS OF PROPERTY DAMAGE IN JULY AND WHATNOT.
AND SO, SO THAT, AND SO THEN MY NEXT TOWN TABLE WILL SHOW, OKAY, THAT WAS THERE, WE'VE REMOVED THE TOP TWO OR THREE FOR THE LIST, THE REST OF 'EM MOVED UP.
RIGHT? AND NOW WE'RE GONNA KEEP WORKING ON THOSE AND TAKE THOSE OFF.
AND, AND THAT WAY YOU CAN SHOW SOME REAL PROGRESS TOWARDS DEDICATING OUR RESOURCES AND TIME AND MONEY TOWARDS SAVING LIVES AND PROPERTY.
AND NOT ONLY JUST KEEPING THINGS MOVING AND NOT HAVING, BUT, BUT, UH, SAME LIVES.
AND THAT'S THE SAME TAMPA, BAHAMAS.
SO THESE YEARS, 23, 24, THOSE COUNT YEARS OR FISCAL YEARS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CALENDAR YEARS, COUNTY YEARS.
SO HOW DID WE GET, SO THIS IS CIP P CIP P PROJECTS FROM THE 2035 CIP P AND ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME ABOUT SINCE THEN AND WHETHER IT BE A STUDY FAIR CORRIDOR STUDY OR A ROUND TWO 50 OR ROUND EIGHT STUDY.
SO HOW DID WE GET THE FAIR ROAD MAINTENANCE ROUNDABOUT IN THIS YEAR'S CIP P SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MISNOMER THAT THE TRANSPORTATION CIP P ISN'T A TRUE CIP P BECAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY COUNTY DOLLARS ATTACHED TO IT CURRENTLY.
UM, IT'S, BUT HOW DID, I GUESS YOU'RE ASKING WHY DID, I'M ASKING HOW WE GOT THESE PRIORITIES.
CAUSE THIS, WE HAVEN'T LOOKED, IT, IT HAD BEEN VERY CLEAR AS STAFF THAT FAIRGROUNDS ROADS A ROAD THAT NEEDS SOME WORK, SOME, SOME IMPROVEMENTS UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDOR.
SO FOR THAT REASON, ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE STUDY WAS A ROUNDABOUT STAFF THROUGH ALL THE ANALYSIS, THAT WHOLE STUDY.
I MEAN, REMEMBER WE JUST ACCEPTED IT.
WE'VE NOT APPROVED THAT STUFF.
WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS, TO PUT STUFF IN FRONT OF US TO REACT TO.
THIS, I MEAN, I'M QUESTIONING THE PRIORITIES HERE.
SO, OKAY, THIS LAST PART, IF I MAY, AND THIS MAY NOT HELP OR MAY HELP OR MAY NOT.
UM, IF THE BOARD SELECTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF, UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS APPLICATIONS FROM THE SAFETY STUDY THAT WAS DONE FOR FAIRGROUND ROAD, THEY WOULD FALL BEST UNDER THESE PROGRAMS. AND SO AUSTIN WAS JUST TRYING TO VISUAL GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CIP P IT, IT'S NOT SET IN STONE.
IT'S JUST IF IF THEY WEREN'T MOVE, MOVE FORWARD, IT WOULD NEED TO BE IN THE NEXT YEAR TO TWO YEARS BECAUSE THAT'S THE FUNDING CYCLES WHERE THEY BEST FIT.
WELL, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IN 23 DO FUNDING MAYBE LADY, IS THIS LIKE YOUR PROPOSED LIST? YES.
THIS IS NOT AND THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CIP P CORRECT? CORRECT.
IF WE WERE TRYING TO BE STRATEGIC AND UM, SO THAT'S HIGHEST LIKELIHOOD OF A SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION BASED ON DATA.
AND HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN CALLED A TRANSPORTATION CIP.
P THE, IF THE NOMENCLATURE IS MISLEADING, THEN IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE CHANGED BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT IN OUR BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR.
WELL, NOT NOTICE, BUT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE LOCAL MONEY THAT'S IN THE MIX, RIGHT.
SO AUSTIN, BASED ON, SO I THINK YOU MADE UP A GREAT POINT THIS LAST, BUT WHICH IS BASED ON THE THE, WE HAVE THE, UH, SJ SGR, CBT AND REVENUE SHARE, LOCAL OF THOSE MM-HMM
WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE 23 APPLICATIONS.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THESE ARE WHAT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO AFTER FOR, FROM AN APPLICATION PERSPECTIVE IN 2020 THIS YEAR AND THIS YEAR, CERTAINLY NOTICE THAT NEEDS REMAIN TODAY.
UH, THE CPTA A'S DEADLINE FOR APPLICATIONS HASN'T BEEN SET IN STONE, BUT IT'S THE FALL TIMEFRAME.
MY ASSUMPTION WILL BE SEPTEMBER OCTOBER TIMEFRAME.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THE DECISION NEEDS TO HAPPEN WELL IN ADVANCE OF THAT, THE 2 88 PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY ARE, ARE PEGGED FOR CBTA FUNDS BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN LISTED IN THE CBTA FUNDING SCENARIOS IN THE PAST.
UH, THE HARD SHOW RUNNING LANE, THE SOUTHBOUND HARD RUNNING LANE IS A PROJECT THAT HAD CBT FUNDS ATTACHED TO IT.
TPO TOOK IT THROUGH SMART SCALE, WHICH WAS UNSUCCESSFUL.
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UM, AND THE AUXILIARY LANE IS THE PROJECT THAT WE ROBBED THE FUNDS FROM TO HELP FUND THE ACTUAL DDI MAKE THAT MORE COMPETITIVE.SO THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THOSE IS THEY WERE ALREADY PRIORITIES.
SO WE NEED TO THEN COMPETE AND CONTINUE TO COMPETE FOR THOSE AND GET THOSE PROJECTS FULLY FUNDED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS CALENDAR NOT FISCAL, CORRECT.
SO THIS YEAR, SO THAT'LL BE THE 24TH FISCAL YEAR BE THE CALENDAR YEAR.
THE, THE APPLICATION CYCLES GO BY CALENDAR YEAR, NOT FISCAL YEAR.
SO, SO THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE THOUGHT BEHIND.
SO THAT, SO THEN THESE PROJECTS SHOULD BE ON CIP P THAT WE'RE APPROVING GETTING READY TO APPROVE WITH THE YEAH.
THOSE PRODUCTS HAVE NO LOCAL, WELL THE ONE THAT'S, SO WOULD WE TYPICALLY, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO FUND THESE NOT TO LOCAL DOLLARS, WOULD THEY GO ON OUR CIP P AS BUDGETED ITEM? I THINK THAT WOULD ONLY BE THE CASE IF WE'RE BRINGING DOLLARS TO IT.
IF WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING FOR, HUH? TO LOCAL? TO THE LOCAL.
SO THE, THE LOCAL FUNDS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED THERE.
AND AGAIN, APOLOGIES FOR THE CONFUS, THE CPBC LOCAL FUNDS AND OR PROPER FUNDS.
SO IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE BUDGETED FOR.
THAT CONVERSATION HASN'T HAPPENED YET.
THAT ACTUALLY WAS CONVERSATION FOR LATER.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REVENUE SHARE.
UM, I'VE GOT SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT PROJECT.
SO IT WAS A REVENUE SHARE AT THE 2019 ESTIMATE OF 4.4 MILLION.
UH, THE CURRENT ESTIMATE IS 6.86 MILLION WITH ADDITIONAL MONIES THE COUNTY HAD ALREADY KICKED IN.
THE TOTAL DELTA IS 1.15 MILLION.
SO, SO HE WAS JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.
WE WANT, DO WE WANT TO COMPLETE THE, COMPLETE IT WITH AN ADDITIONAL ONE FILE? CORRECT.
ONE FIVE OF CBT LOCAL AND OR PROFIT FUNDS FROM THE CENTRAL DISTRICT.
SO, SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY WHAT ON THIS LIST WOULD BE IN OUR CA SO THIS IS ALL OFF BUDGET.
THIS IS LIKE, YEAH, I DON'T USE THE WORD IN THIS ROOM, BUT, UM, SO THIS IS SAYING, HEY, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CARVING OFF ANY OF THE REVENUES THAT WE ARE GENERATING IN THE COUNTY FOR THIS.
WE'RE COUNTING ON REVENUES FROM OTHER REVENUE STREAMS. YEAH, BUT THE CIP P I THOUGHT THE CIP P DID IN UM, ACCOUNT FOR MULTIPLE REVENUE SOURCES, NOT JUST THAT'S RIGHT.
I'M NOT STATING, I'M ASKING HOW WE WOULD'VE HANDLED IN THE PAST, LIKE THE 2035 TRANSPORTATION C I P THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER, I DON'T BELIEVE WAS OFFICIALLY ADOPTED AS PART OF THE CIP P THE SPREADSHEET WAS PUT TOGETHER SHOWING THE REVENUES COMING FROM GRANTS AND THOSE TYPES OF SOURCES.
BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WAS A PART OF THE ADOPTED COUNTYWIDE CIP P BECAUSE IT CAME FROM NON TAX REVENUE.
NONE OF THESE PROJECTS WOULD BE LIKE OUR BOTTOM LINE.
LOCAL WELL CHECKS THAT THE COUNTY WILL WRITE WHETHER THEY'RE REIMBURSED THROUGH BRANDS ARE OUTSIDE FUNDS.
THAT'S IF THE COUNTY WON'T DIRECTLY FAVOR THIS, THAT WON'T BE OKAY.
AND AGAIN, APOLOGIES FOR ANY CONFUSION ON THE TERM LOCAL, IT'S CBTA LOCAL AND OR PROFFER FUNDS THAT WE FUNDED OTHER PROJECTS THROUGH ANYWAY THAT WEREN'T A PART OF A C AND SO AT WHAT POINT, HOW WOULD THESE PROJECTS APPROVED TO GO FORWARD TO EVEN MAKE APPLICATION? SO THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY.
WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS OKAY, GOOD.
YEAH, THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
THIS IS JUST STARTING THAT PROCESS.
WHICH IS WHY I WANTED TO GO OUT.
I ORIGINALLY WAS GONNA GO OUT SIX YEARS.
IT STARTED TO GET TOO LONG OF A LIST AND TWO LITTLE CONVOLUTED IN THE OUT YEARS.
CAUSE THAT'S A TYPICAL VDO PROCESS.
I DID HALF OF THAT BECAUSE OUR, THIS ACCOMMODATES A LOT OF THE CURRENT NEEDS AS LISTED IN THE 2035 LIST AND THE PROJECTS THAT CAME OUT OF VARIOUS STUDIES.
SO YOU PICKED UP, SO THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOMETHING THAT'S FIVE OR SIX YEARS OUT THAT COULD BE MOVED SOONER.
IF WE GET A PROJECT, ROCKY, ROCKY TYPE PROJECT IN ANOTHER PART OF THE COUNTY THAT CHANGES THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION OVERNIGHT, THEN THAT MAY JUMP, A NEW PROJECT COMES OUT OF THAT AND IT JUMPS THE LINE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT BEHIND THIS TOO.
SO I THINK I KIND OF FELT LIKE WE'RE SETTING THIS UP.
WE HAVE SOMETHING TO REACT TO RATHER THAN WHEN WE GET TO START FROM SCRATCH.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SO EVEN A, YOU KNOW, A LOCAL, ANOTHER LOCAL PROJECT LIKE A, I DUNNO STUDY OR WHATEVER, THAT'S NOT IN HERE, RIGHT? SPEED IS ALMOST UNDERWAY.
UM, BUT THERE'S NO MONEY, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT WILL BE DONE THROUGH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS A PLANNING STUDY.
AND THEN THERE MAY BE VERY WELL SOME TRANSPORTATION RECOMMENDATIONS AS A RESULT.
AND IF SOMETHING COMES OUT OF THE SPEED OF WHEN THAT'S COMPLETE, THEN IF IT WARRANTS JUMPING THE LINE, THEN IT IT, IT WILL JUMP THE LINE IF THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY SUGGESTS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M ANTICIPATING COMING OUTTA SPEED UP.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY, AROUND ALL THESE PIECES, PARTS.
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WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT NONE OF THIS IS TIED TO THE BUDGET, BUDGET TO STAND STANDALONE.THIS IS STANDALONE MAKES YOU FEEL A LITTLE UNEASY.
SINCE I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE MUCH MORE COORDINATION THAN TWO STANDALONE PLANS.
NOW I GET THE CIP P IS HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR THIS? WHERE'S OUR MONEY COMING FROM? AND WE NEED TO MAINTAIN COUNTY FACILITIES.
BUT IF THERE'S LARGE PROJECTS GOING ON IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE NOT IN THE CIP THAT PERHAPS ARE INTERDEPENDENT WITH THE CIP, SOMEHOW WE NEED TO BRAINSTORM AND THINK ABOUT HOW TO BRING THOSE TWO CLOSER TOGETHER SO THEY'RE COORDINATED AND I EXACTLY HOW I'M ASSIGN, BUT I'D LIKE TO NOT HAVE THEM BE COMPLET.
THAT WAS MY, WHAT I WROTE SEEING THIS PLUS ALL THE PROJECTS WITH THE FUNDING SOURCE CIP P SO WE KNOW EVERYTHING'S ACCOUNTED FOR.
WE KNOW WHERE WE BELIEVE MONEY'S COMING FROM AT THE TIME.
JUST SO FOR, FOR OUR NEXT, HAVING THAT FOR OUR NEXT SESSION I THINK WOULD BE SUPER.
WHAT WHAT IS OUR ROLE AS BOARD SUPERVISOR DRIVERS? WHAT'S OUR ROLE IN TRANSPORTATION? YOU SAID THE QUIET PART.
KIND OF GOES TO THAT CONNECTING THE PIECES THAT YOU DESCRIBED BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH.
UM, WE'RE NOT LIKE A CHESTERFIELD AND WITH LOTS OF LOCAL PROJECTS, LOTS OF MONEY, BUT WE HAVE A ROLE FOR TRANSPORTATION THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THREE YEARS AGO.
UM, SO WHAT WAS OUR ROLE BEFORE TO HELP VDOT WITH PRIORITIES TO GIVE THEM OUR INPUT.
DID WE, DID WE DICTATE ANYTHING? DID WE DICTATE ANYTHING TO VDOT OR DID WE JUST PARTNER WITH THEM AND TELL THEM OUR DESIRES? AND, AND WE DID A LOT OF THE DICTATING MORE SIDE BY SIDE RELATIONSHIP WITH STILL WITH THE SMART SCALE PROCESS.
WERE ACTUALLY VERY SUCCESSFUL IN VERY SMART SCALE YEARS WITH GETTING THE CURRENT LIGHT AT 64 AND ASHLAND'S.
UM, UH, THE LIGHT AT 2 88 IN BROAD, I BELIEVE WAS THE SMART SCALE LOCATION.
SO, SO WE WE TO DO WITH SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS EVEN BEFORE ENTIRE DEPENDENT ON, ON TELLING US.
SO IF YOU HAVE ME TO TAKE A STATIC ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, I THINK OUR ROLE IS TO HEAR THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, HELP WITH PRIORITIZATIONS ON THOSE BASED ON THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE COUNTY.
AND THEN ESPECIALLY AS THESE ARE REGIONAL TO ADVOCATE FOR OUR PROJECTS IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR REGIONAL PROCESS.
AND TO BE, AND TO REMOVE ROADBLOCKS THAT COME UP, IE.
SO PROVIDE AIR COVER FOR STAFF.
WHAT'S MISSING IN THERE IS DEPLOYMENT OF LOCAL CBT $8.
CAUSE LOCAL CBTA $8 WOULD COME THROUGH RECOGNITION OF STUFF.
WE SAID OKAY, WE ARE PLANNING ON PUSHING THROUGH THE FAIR GROUND OR TO UH, ROUTE SIX, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT MONEY AND WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ON BULLDOG WAY.
SO WE SAID STAFF LIKE, HERE'S STAFF GIVES US THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO MAKE EDUCATED DECISIONS, WE MAKE THE DECISIONS AND THEN WE ADVOCATE FOR THEM.
WELL THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE THAT'S OUR MOST.
AND SO THIS KIND OF GOES TO THE ROLE OF THE BOARD SUPERVISORS VERSUS STAFF.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GET THE GU MONTH AND SAY, OKAY, DO WE WANT TO PUT STREET LIGHTS ON THIS PROJECT? OR YOU WELL THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
DO WANNA GET TOGETHER? YES SIR.
DO WE WANT HAVE, DO WE WANNA HAVE A TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE THAT'S TWO OF BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF THAT MEET ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS TO BE ABLE TO ADVOCATE AND HELP STAFF WITH THESE PRIORITIZATION DISCUSSIONS? I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT JUST ON A TABLE, IT'S ON A PAPER BECAUSE THIS, THIS, THIS IS THE THING THAT I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW IT FOLDS OUT IS HOW DO, HOW, HOW BEST TO DEPLOY OUR CBT MONEY.
BECAUSE THE MORE WE GET INTO THIS, THE MORE, THE MORE CONVOLUTED IT.
IT'S HOW, HOW, HOW, HOW DO WE WISELY? WELL SO THE CBTA LOCAL DOLLARS, THE NEXT SLIDE WAS ACTUALLY, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE SPENT AS FAR AS CBTA AND OR LOCAL REVENUE DOLLARS, UM, ON A TRANSPORTATION PROJECT IN ACCOUNT.
UM, THIS IS BASED OFF THE SIX YEAR PLANS OF FY 23 THROUGH FY 28.
AND AGAIN THE, THE NEXT SLIDE KIND OF TOUCH ON EXACTLY HOW THIS CONVERSATION JUST WENT.
UM, ASKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD AS FAR AS THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH CBT A FUNDS SPECIFICALLY.
UM, SO THE GOAL HERE IS FY 25 THROUGH 28 IS CURRENTLY BLANK CUZ WE HAVE NO FUNDS OBLIGATED IN THOSE FISCAL YEARS.
BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL, WE NEED TO DO DUE DILIGENCE STUDIES.
ANY PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING WE MAY NEED TO DO TO MAKE THE APPLICATION SUCCESSFUL.
FILLING THIS CHART MAKES THE APPLICATION PLAN SUCCESSFUL.
SO IT LEADS RIGHT INTO THE CONVERSATION OF, AND UM, THIS IS A RECAP OF THE CIP P BUT IT LEADS INTO FRAMEWORK FOR SMALL PROJECTS, WHICH IS CBT LOCAL FUNDS IS AN ENTIRELY NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR
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DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS.THERE'S A SMALL ONE-OFF PROJECT, BUT ALSO SUPPORT PROJECTS.
ONE THING STAFF WANTS TO DISCUSS, AND AGAIN PRETTY MUCH HOW THAT CONVERSATION JUST WENT IS FLEXIBILITY AS FAR AS WHAT'S EVEN AN, AN OPTION FOR THE BOARD RELATIONSHIP WITH STAFF FOR CBT LOCAL FUNDS.
AND I THINK EVEN TWO SLIDES FURTHER, IT'S HOW DOES THIS LOOK? A WHOLE BOARD WORKSHOP.
IS THERE A POTENTIAL FOR SUBCOMMITTEE? AGAIN, WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP? IT'S, IT'S THAT EXACT CONVERSATION THAT JUST TOOK PLACE.
SO THIS CHART JUST SHOWS IS CBTA A ONLY, THIS IS CBTA A AND PROPER LOCAL MONEY.
OKAY, SO THIS THAT WE SPENT ON TRANSPORTATION PROJECT, THIS IS, THIS IS ACTUAL TRANSPORTATION DOLLAR.
EITHER C RETAIL, LOCAL OR TAX REVENUES OR OR PROPER DOLLARS.
AND THAT'S THE INTENT BEHIND THIS.
IS TO TRACK OUR MONEY TO ADVANCE THESE PROJECTS.
HOWEVER THIS LIST LOOKS SIX DAYS FROM NOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.
ADVANCING THOSE REQUIRES US TO PLAN AND BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT OUR APPROACH TO THE LOWER MODELS AND JUST REFRESH MY, WE'RE AT ABOUT WHAT 1.3 MILLION LOCAL PER YEAR IN THE CBTA FUNDS.
SO NO, WE GET APPROXIMATELY 200 K A MONTH ON AVERAGE.
SO THAT'S ABOUT 2.4 MILLION TWO PER YEAR.
SO 2.4 MILLION A YEAR FROM, SO THIS IS MONEY ACTUALLY SPENT, THIS IS MONEY IN Y 23.
WE'VE CUT CHECKS FOR FY 24 IS THE PLANNED OBLIGATION FOR BULLDOG WAY.
SO THE FAIR, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, THE UM, YEAH FAIRGROUND ROAD EXTENSION, THAT IS ALL PLEDGE ALL LOCAL MONIES SPENT.
THAT'S THE TOTAL CHECKS THAT HAVE BEEN CUT BY THE COUNTY TO DATE JUST NORTH OF 1.9 MILLION.
BUT WE PLEDGED TO WHATEVER THAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT PLEDGED AND SPENT BY THE COUNTY ON THE ROUNDABOUT.
THE REST OF THOSE DOLLARS SHE EXTENSION EXTENS.
UM, SO THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE EXTENSION PROJECT.
UM, THE AND I I'M HAPPY TO ADD THIS TO THE LIST.
THE COUNTY TOTAL TOTAL HAS ABOUT 3.9 MILLION PLEDGED TO THE EXTENSION PROJECT.
SO THAT DOESN'T BELONG ON THIS LIST.
IT SHOULD HAVE MADE THE LIST AND I APOLOGIZE, IT SHOULD BE IN HERE.
IT'S NOT CURRENTLY PROGRAMMED FOR A FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY I DIDN'T PUT IT ON HERE.
UM, CUZ IT'S KIND OF AN UNKNOWN CUZ IT'S NOT FULLY FUNDED YET.
BUT WE HAVE PLEDGED THE MONEY.
IT'S JUST NOT TIED FOR ALL THE MONEY WE NEED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN THOUGH.
WHICH MAKES, THAT'S QUESTION WHY IT'S EVEN ON OUR LIST.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD ADD.
WE HAVE PRIOR FUNDING SO THE PURPLE BOXES GET FILLED UP AND THEN WE AS A BOARD DECIDE, OKAY, DID WE WANT TO, HOW ARE WE DOING THAT? GET THAT PAPER FOR, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE ADVISED WE DIDN'T PLEDGE ANYTHING TO OVER EXCHANGE.
THE COUNTY HAS NO LOCAL DOLLARS.
THERE'S NO LOCAL DOLLARS TO UM, UM, THE ROAD.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO LOCAL DOLLAR TIED TO THAT PROJECT EITHER.
SO THERE'S NO THAT SHE CAN THINK OF ACTUALLY LOCAL DOLLARS PLAN FIX UP THAT OTHER THAN THE EXTENSION PROJECT.
THIS IS AN ENCOMPASSING LIST OF LOCAL DOLLAR TIED TO TRANSPORTATION SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, 2000, 10,015 TIMEFRAME.
THIS IS JUST REALLY FROM THE ROUNDABOUT ONWARD.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW MAYBE IT WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THIS CAUSE IT'S SORT OF LIKE NOT A COLUMN, MAYBE IT SHOULD JUST BE A COLUMN FOR MOUNT PLEDGE OR SOMETHING.
JUST SO PLACE WE PLEDGED IT, IT'S JUST NOT TIED TO A FISCAL.
MAYBE JUST ANOTHER COLUMN OR SOMETHING.
AND THAT HELPS US PLAN ALSO ABOUT AND ARE THESE THE KIND OF DOLLARS WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR LOCAL MATCH TO TRY AND ABSOLUTELY ENHANCE OUR CHANCES ON SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE INTENT BEHIND THIS IS THE REVENUE SHARE PROJECTS ON HERE.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE OLDVILLE ROAD ENTERTAIN REVENUES REVENUE SHARE SLASH LOCAL FOR THAT PROJECT SPECIFICALLY THE INTENT IS WE HAVE ABOUT 600,000 THROUGH CBT REGIONAL FUNDS USE THAT 600,000 MATCHING AND REVENUE SHARE.
THAT GETS US ALMOST ABOUT 50% OF THE 2.3 MILLION GAP THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON THE PROJECT.
AND THEN POTENTIALLY FUNDING IT WITH CBTA AND OR PROPER DOLLARS ACCORDINGLY.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, SO LIKE REVENUE SHARE IS A ONE FOR ONE MATCH IS 50% UP TO 10 MILLION.
UM, TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES, IT'S AN 80 20 MATCH.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH AND START TRYING TO STRATEGIZE TAPS, IS THAT WHAT YOU YEAH, TAP TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE PROGRAM.
80% IS FULLY FUNDED, 20% GETS FUNDED BY THE LOCALITY OF PROJECT COST AND SMART SCALES FULLY FUNDED STATE OF GOOD REPAIR.
IT VARIES, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT AS WE TRY TO STRATEGIZE THEN WE'RE KNOWING, OKAY, WHERE DO WE REALLY GET THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE DIRECT
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LOCAL PROFFER AND CBTA DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING UNDER DIRECT CONTROL WHERE WE CAN LEVERAGE IT BEST.WHETHER THAT'S STUDIES, WHETHER THAT'S, UM, MATCHING DOLLARS.
MM-HMM
SO THE I FOR AN OILVILLE ROAD EXCHANGE? YES.
IS THAT THE ROUNDABOUT AT I 64 WAS.
SO I THOUGHT WE HAD JUST SAID THAT THERE WAS NO LOCAL DOLLARS ATTACHED TO THAT.
WERE THEY, WERE THEY CBT $8 AT $600 IN YOUR REFERENCE CBTA REGION CBTA.
SO THOSE CBT REGION WHERE, SO WHAT IS IT, WHEN ARE WE READY TO LIKE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT PROJECT? WE'VE GOT SOME APPLICATIONS IN THAT AREA NOW.
WE'VE GOT TRAFFIC BACKING UP BY THE 64.
SO THAT PROJECT MAKING RIGHT TURNS AND TURNING AROUND THE GAS STATION.
SO THAT PROJECT SPECIFICALLY, I'VE GOT A QUICK STEPPING ABOUT IT.
SO IT, THE CURRENT TOTAL COST ESTIMATE, 7.51 MILLION FROM SMART SCALE.
CAUSE IT WAS A SMART SCALE APPLICATION PROJECT STATUS.
WE HAVE $606,000 IN CBT REGIONAL FUNDS WE HAVE RECEIVED.
AND WE'RE WORKING TO OBLIGATE THE FUNDS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OMNIBUS BILL THAT ASSIGNED IN DECEMBER.
WE HAVE $4 MILLION THROUGH THAT.
SO 2.91 MILLION FUNDING SHORTFALL.
THE THEORY IS POTENTIALLY, AGAIN, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION ENTIRELY UP TO THE BOARD AND HOW THINGS SHAKE OUT IS TO TAKE THE 606, GET A FREE MATCH ESSENTIALLY THROUGH REVENUE SHARE.
WE'RE DOUBLING OUR CBTA REGIONAL FUNDS THERE AND THEN WORKING POTENTIALLY WITH LOCAL FUNDS, CBTA AND OR PROPER DOLLARS TO FUND THE REMAINING GAP.
SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUICK, DO YOU HAVE, I'M SORRY, BRING IT ON THIS SPRING A SECOND, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE, THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS? THEY HAVE OFFICIALLY BEEN AWARDED BECAUSE THE BILL WAS SIGNED BACK IN DECEMBER.
I'M WAITING ON, AND I ACTUALLY GOT, UH, SOME CORRESPONDENCE WITH REPRESENTATIVE BAMBERGER'S OFFICE WHO, WHO WE WENT THROUGH AND WE WERE IN DISTRICT SEVEN TO GET THE PROJECT, UH, IN THE BILL.
UM, HER STAFF REACHED OUT, I BELIEVE LAST WEEK.
AND THE FUNDS, BECAUSE THEIR FEDERAL WON'T FLOW DIRECTLY TO UGLAND COUNTY, THEY WILL FLOW TO V I.
SO WE ARE WORKING ON WAITING ON THAT PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.
ONCE THAT HAPPENS, WE'RE GONNA ACCORDING THE FIDO ACCORDINGLY TO GET THE FUNDS OBLIGATED TO SERVE FISCAL YEARS AND SO ON.
AND DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANY TIME CONSTRAINTS? LIKE DO WE HAVE TO USE THEM IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME? LIKE SOME OF THESE FOR FOLKS, WE'RE REALLY GETTING TO FIGURE OUT THIS TRANSPORTATION STUFF.
SO WHERE WE WERE THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO HERE, LIGHT YEARS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MORE CONFUSED,
BUT SOME OF THESE THINGS LIKE CBTA OR SMARTCAP, IF YOU DON'T FULLY FUND THE PROJECT, THEN IT'S NOT REALLY GONNA BE ELIGIBLE.
SO DO WE KNOW TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD IF WE'RE APPLYING FOR LIKE REVENUE SHARE MM-HMM
IT WAS WILL THE FUNDS BE OBLIGATED BY THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 23 OBLIGATED IN THEIR DEFINITION IS ASSIGNED TO FISCAL, ASSIGNED TO A PROJECT ASSIGNED TO FISCAL YEARS AND COORDINATED THROUGH PI.
SO THAT WILL BE DONE AS FAR NOT READING ALL THE FINE PRINT OF THE FEDERAL BILL.
IT'S, THAT IS THE ONLY TIME CONSTRAINT I'M AWARE OF ON THE FEDERAL DOLLARS IS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ASSIGNED TO THE PROJECT ON THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND THEN HOW LONG WILL VDOT LET IT JUST SIT THERE WHILE WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE REST OF THE FUNDING? IT WILL GO THROUGH THE NORMAL SIX YEAR VDOT SIX YEAR PLAN LIFE CYCLE, WHICH IS IF WE, IF WE GO THROUGH, UH, A FEW ROUNDS, SAY WE DECIDE EITHER NOT TO DO THE REVENUE SHARE OR WE DO IT AND THE GAPS TOO LARGE FOR LOCAL FUNDS TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE WE HAVE TO PURSUE, SAY CBTA, MORE CBTA A FUNDS, WE'LL JUST KEEP SWAPPING THE FUNDS BACK FISCAL YEARS UNTIL WE'RE ABLE, WE JUST HAVE TO SHOW A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO KEEP THAT PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
SO I'M ASK A REAL DUMB QUESTION.
WE STEP TO GO SMART SCALE SCALE FOR, UH, THE OLD ROUNDABOUT? NO, IT WAS THIS PASSED ROUNDS APPLICATION.
IDEALLY WE DO NOT HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THAT.
CAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE THE COST GO BACK UP.
AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO SEVEN AND HALF MEDIA WAS GOING THROUGH THE SMART SCALE PROCESS.
THAT'S A VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.
SO WITH THAT, AGAIN, THE, THE THEME OF THE THE TRANSPORTATION FUNDING IS FLEXIBILITY.
THE PRIORITIES ARE GONNA SHIFT CONSISTENTLY.
UM, SO PROJECT ORDER MAY CHANGE AND NEW PROJECTS MAY JUMP TO LINE AND WANTED TO TOUCH ON THIS AGAIN REAL QUICK IS THE THEORY ABOUT SMALL PROJECTS.
THERE'S REALLY TWO TYPES OF SMALL PROJECTS THAT STAFF SEES.
IT'S ONE OFF PROJECTS, WHICH ARE, ARE TURN LANES, UH, RUMBLE STRIPS, SIDEWALK PROJECTS, TRAILS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND THEN YOUR SUPPORT PROJECTS, WHICH ARE STUDIES, ANALYSIS, UM, ANY SURVEY, ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION.
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UM, CBT LOCAL FUNDS OBVIOUSLY GIVE US A WHOLE NEW OPPORTUNITY TO FUND THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS, WHETHER THEY BE ONE OFF OR SUPPORT PROJECTS.UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THE BOARD HAS IN MIND OR, OR HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON FLEXIBILITY THAT TO ACCOMMODATE THE SUPPORT PROJECT SPECIFICALLY.
THE, THE EXAMPLE I'LL USE IS FOR ONE OF OUR SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS FOR ROAD, WE HAPPEN TO HIT THE TIMING, RIGHT? BUT WE NEEDED AN EXTRA SMALL STUDY DONE THAT BTA REQUESTED AT THE 11TH HOUR.
IT HAPPENED TO WORK OUT THAT I WAS ABLE TO GET IT ON A TWO BY TWO AGENDA, GET THE $4,000 ALLOCATED FROM CBT LOCAL AND WAS ABLE TO GET RK AND K THE PO OPEN PRIOR TO WHEN WE NEEDED TO STUDY.
THEY ALSO IN GOOD PHASE MOVED FORWARD WITH IT BEFORE THE FUNDING WAS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE.
BUT IN, IN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, THE REAL SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR THE SUPPORT ANALYSIS BECAUSE THROUGH THE SMART SCALE PROCESS,
SO I I JUST WANTED TO SOLICIT SOME DISCUSSION AND, AND FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD ON ANY FLEXIBILITY THAT MAY EXIST.
THERE IS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAS FLEXIBILITY TO, TO GO BUDGET.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT DOESN'T APPLY TO CBT LOCAL FUNDS.
SO I DON'T SHOULD AT THIS BOARD SHOULDN'T BE MAKING THOUSAND DECISIONS.
I WAS GONNA SAY, YOUR HONOR, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, CAN WE GIVE THAT AUTHORITY AS CAN, CAN WE JUST VOTE AS A BOARD GIVEN AUTHORITY UP TO WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER IN YOUR MIND? IT'S RIGHT.
DOES IT PARALLEL THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S CURRENT THRESHOLD? I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IT WOULD, I I WOULD NEED TO LOOK BACK AND AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S A TYPICAL COST OR AN AVERAGE COST OF THAT LAST MINUTE SUPPORT PROJECT.
THE, THE SUPPORT PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW WE NEED THAT ARE GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE A 50 75,000 STUDY.
WE'LL KNOW THAT HEADING INTO SMART SCALE HEADING INTO CPTA.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
BUT IT'S THE, THE FOUR, FIVE, $10,000 PROJECTS THAT MAY REQUIRE THAT, THAT QUICK PIVOT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE THRESHOLD MAY BE.
SO, SO WHAT I THINK FROM THIS, WHAT WE'RE HEARING, I THINK YOU ASKED A QUESTION, RIGHT? YEAH.
HEY, WOULD WE SUPPORT THIS OR WOULD WE, WE HECK NOW IT'S A HUNDRED BUCKS TO BRING IT TO US.
WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS THERE'S APPETITE FOR IT.
I WOULD RECOMMEND MAYBE STAFF COMES BACK WITH A PROPOSAL OF WHAT ABSOLUTELY A PROCEDURE COULD LOOK LIKE THAT WE COULD REACT TO.
THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO KEEP PULLING TOGETHER LIKE THIS EVERY QUARTER TO DO THIS? OR CAN WE DO WHAT I THINK WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT? AND I ASK FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, TO LAUNCHES TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE THAT CAN MEET MORE FREQUENTLY AND THAT LEADS IN THE YEAH, THE WORKSHOP FORM MOVING FORWARD IS, DOES THE BOARD LET GO AHEAD.
TO THAT POINT, I I DON'T WANT GO AHEAD GET IT.
I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO LIKE YOU TO ADD NOT JUST WHAT YOU THINK THE DOLLAR THRESHOLD IS, BUT PLEASE ADD, DON'T, DON'T COMPUTE IT, BUT SAY THESE ARE THE HOURS OF RESOURCES THAT WE'RE CONSUMING
THAT'S 3.4 HOURS OF FIVE SUPERVISORS COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, ALL THESE, I MEAN, YOUR BEST ESTIMATE TO WHAT IT WOULD TAKE, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE CONSUMING RIGHT NOW, WE CAN FIGURE OUT IN OUR MINDS, OR WE CAN GO DEEPER AND DO THE DOLLAR THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW BETTER HOW MANY PEOPLE WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GET TO FORMALLY APPROVE THESE THINGS NOW.
AND, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE JUST, CUZ WE, WE LOOK AT A HARD DOLLAR NUMBER OF 5,000 AND IN REALITY IT'S 20,000.
WILL WE CONSUME TRUE RESOURCES? THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
THE MEASURE, SO I DON'T WANT THANK YOU ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT PLEASE PUT THE RESOURCE ON FRONT.
WE'LL DEFINITELY DO A A PRETTY NEAT JOB.
ONE THING THAT MAY BE HELPFUL TOO, FOR YOU ALL AS A BOARD TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD AS WE TALK STRATEGY IS ALSO LOOKING AT IS THEIR APPETITE, OR AS WE GROW THE PROGRAM, GIVEN THE COMPLEX TRANSPORTATION NEEDS THAT EMERGE, UM, ANY DIRECT LOCAL DOLLARS AND WITHIN THE ACTUAL BUDGET, YOU KNOW, IF THAT THEN BECOMES THE PRIMARY FOR SOME SMALL SUPPORTIVE STUDIES AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU'RE USING CBTA LOCAL, IF IT'S MAINLY JUST THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL WORK ITSELF OCCURRING LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE APPLICATION MATCH.
BUT THOSE ARE THINGS TO THINK THROUGH AS WELL.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO SKIN THE CAD.
RIGHT? UM, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT IS LIKE, I THINK, I THINK HOW WE MIGHT USE CD CBT, IT DEPEND ON HOW THE TPO VOTES
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NEXT MONTH ON THE RECOMMENDATION COMING FROM TACT ON HOW TO MANAGE COST OVER, BECAUSE I THINK ONE, ONE SOLUTION WITH ONE SOLUTION PUT IN SITUATION WHERE WE'D HAVE TO PROBABLY END UP HAVING TO USE LOCAL DOLLARS TO DO MORE PLANNING.UM, AND, BUT THEN, THEN THAT'S ON THE T SIDE.
IS CBTA GONNA DO SOME THINGS THAT WILL HELP SMALLER JURISDICTIONS ON THE PLANNING? DO THEY, WILL THEY MAYBE IMPLEMENT SOME, SOME INTENTIONAL WAYS TO HELP SMALLER JURISDICTIONS DO PLANNING OR WHATEVER.
SO THERE'S SO MANY MOVING PARTS.
UM, AND SO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT, NEIL, YOU WERE TIPPING YOUR HAND THERE, YOU THINK, COULD WE DO THIS MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN ALL FIVE OF US GETTING TOGETHER ONCE A QUARTER? AND I THINK SO.
BUT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE NEW, NEW BOARD MEMBERS NEXT TIME AROUND.
AND WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE ON CBTA.
WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE ON TPO, AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE PROJECTS SCATTERED THROUGH ALL THE COUNTY.
UM, IT'S, I I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
I KNOW YES, MAYBE A SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD BE GOOD FOR EFFICIENCY, BUT, BUT WE ALL, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE ON CBTA.
I'M ON TPO AND I DON'T, I'M STILL LEARNING ALL THE PIECES OF TPO AND I'M SEEING HOW IT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT WHAT CBTA IS DOING IS HOW THOSE, AND MAYBE IT'S A HYBRID APPROACH THAT IT'S STILL EVERY QUARTER, BUT IT'S TWO SUBCOMMITTEES, TWO WORKSHOPS.
I, I JUST WAS THINKING ABOUT IDEAS, JUST BRAINSTORM MYSELF AS, AS, AS STAFF.
IT'S, I I WANTED TO JUST SOLICIT FEEDBACK NUMBER ONE ON, ON THE WORKSHOP FORMAT AND SUCH.
AND DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THE FULL BOARD FORMAT EVERY QUARTER OR, OR IS IT CHANGE EITHER? I THINK, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY LIKE THIS WHOLE THING, IT'S GONNA CONSTANTLY CHANGE.
I THINK I FEEL LIKE IT CHANGES.
I THINK THIS HAS BEEN SUPER HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE KICKING OFF GETTING MORE INTO TRANSPORTATION.
HOWEVER, I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S MY PHRASE, GETTING EIGHT TO GRADE.
SO IF WE CAN HAVE A SMALLER SUBSTITUTE THAT CAN DO SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE QUESTIONS YESTERDAY, HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF BRING IT TO THE FULL BOARD AT REASONABLE TIMES AROUND THE, SO THAT WE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PREPARED TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, HERE'S THAT LIST OF ALL THE PROJECTS, PROS AND CONS OF PUTTING IT HERE.
AND THEN THE BOARD CAN REALLY WRAP TO GO, YES, WE'RE SETTING THE PRIORITIES FOR THE, FOR THE YEAR, UM, OF THOSE PRACTICE.
MR. CHAIR, GO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD, YOU MAY WANNA LEAST KICK AROUND SOME OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD OCCUR.
A COUPLE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WHO CORRECT, MAKE REPRESENTATIVES, UH, YOU KNOW, ON OUR OTHER TRANSPORTATION THINGS COULD MEET WITH STAFF MORE REGULARLY WITHOUT FORMING AN OFFICIAL SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH THEN, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWS ALL THE FO RULES AND PUBLIC MEETINGS, NOT PRIVATE DISCUSSIONS.
YOU MAY WANT TO STEP NEXT TO THAT INFORMAL ABILITY TO MEET GOOD STAFF.
WITHOUT FORMING A, A OFFICIAL COMMITTEE FORM SUBCOMMITTEE HAS SO LITTLE POWER.
THAT'S VERY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THE ONE THING THAT'S, IT'S GOT ME A LITTLE, AN EASY I GUESS YOU SHOULD SAY IS THE PRIORITIES.
I'M JUST NOT, I'M JUST NOT SURE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY A SMALL, IF WE COULD WORK ON FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET THAT IN A FORMAT FOR THE FULL BOARD TO GO, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT CAME, OR, OR HERE WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PRIORITIZE THIS ONE THROUGH TE COME UP WITH A WAY TO ACTUALLY DO THAT.
WELL, I DID WANNA THROW SOMETHING TOGETHER AGAIN TO SOLICIT DISCUSSION.
I MEAN THIS IS WHERE, I MEAN THIS IS WHERE, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, THE FAIR FAIRGROUND ROAD EXTENSION, WE'VE ALREADY GOT MONEY IN THE GAME, WE NEED MORE MONEY.
RIGHT? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? DOES THIS, YOU KNOW, HAVE, WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS RIGHT? IN THAT JUST, THERE'S ONE EX JUST ONE EXAMPLE.
UH, JUST FOLLOWING ON, EVERYTHING WAS JUST SAID.
WE GOT PLAN, RVA, CBTA AND OUR TPO FOLKS THE 10 METERS REGULARLY.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A BLACK BELT, THIS STUFF, YOU MAYBE GET A BROWN BELT AND MAYBE YOUR STAFF HAS BLACK BELTS AND THIS STUFF TO KNOW WHAT ALL THOSE INITIALS MEAN, KNOW WHAT ALL THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE.
AND, AND I WOULDN'T THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN THE FOLKS THAT GO TO THOSE MEETINGS PICK UP NEW INFORMATION, THERE'S CERTAINLY OUGHT TO BE SOME KIND OF BACK CONNECTED WITH STAFF.
SO THERE'S INFORMATION SHARING THERE, COORDINATION THERE, DRAFTING THIS KIND OF STUFF THERE.
AND THEN WE HAVE MONTHLY BOARD MEETING WHERE IF THERE'S A DECISION MADE BY THE BOARD IN A PUBLIC SETTING ON THE PRIORITIES, WE HAVE 12, THE THIRTIES TO BRING THAT FORWARD FROM THAT INFORMATION SHARING GROUP AND THEN SAY BROADER BOARD, WHAT DO YOU THINK? THIS IS WHAT THE EXPERTS AND THIS STUFF, CAUSE I, MAYBE I HAVE A WIND
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BELT, WHATEVER, WANT FIX YOUR ROAD CLOSED.AND, UH, BUT ANYWAY, SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH.
AND I, I DO THINK, I THINK, MR YOU TOUCHED ON THIS EARLIER, THAT WHETHER IT'S THE INTENT OF THE REGION OR NOT, I THINK CBT AND TPO ARE GONNA BECOME SOMEWHAT INTERTWINED WITH COST OVERRUN, SPECIFICALLY HOW WE MANAGE THAT ASPECT OF REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION FUNDING.
AND MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE FOR BOTH REPRESENTATIVES TO BE ON THE STANDING INFORMAL WELL, WELL BEFORE TO COME REACT TO WHAT YOU SAID, KEN.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BRING BACK THE PROCESSES TO BETTER UNDERSTAND OKAY.
AND WORK WITH STAFF, FIGURE OUT, OKAY, HERE'S HOW WE CAN BE MORE SUCCESSFUL.
AND WE STILL HAVE TO COME BACK, LIKE YOU SAID, IN NEEDS TO, TO REALIZE, OKAY, HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S OUR GAME PLAN, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THIS.
SIMILARLY, I YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
AND IT MAKES SENSE, LIKE TARA SAID, TO HAVE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE TPO, THE POLICY BOARD AT THE TPO.
YOU SPEAK TO CBTA, BUT I'VE SEEN THE POLICY BOARD AT THE TPO WAS VERY DIFFERENT WHEN I STARTED, WHEN I GOT ON ON THIS BOARD AND I WAS OUR REPRESENTATIVE.
YOU JUST KIND OF PAID ATTENTION TO WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH AND YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, YEP, YEP, YEP, YEP.
BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE MORE INVOLVEMENT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, EVERYBODY'S SITTING UP AT THESE MEETINGS AND THE, AND WE'RE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THE POLICY BOARD WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE CONTEND TO AT LEAST FIND OUT ME BEING CHAIR OF IT, I SOMETIMES DIVE IN AND ASK QUESTIONS AND I CAN SEE THE ROOM IS MUCH MORE ENGAGED THAN IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO.
BUT THE BIGGER COUNTIES HAVE A VERY ACTIVE, AND YOU ARE, AS I SAYING, YOU'RE NOT ACTIVE, BUT THEY HAVE A LONG TIME INVOLVEMENT INT YOU KNOW, THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEES.
AND THERE'S T FOR BOTH CBTA AND TACK FOR, FOR TPO.
AND THE MESSAGE I'M GETTING FROM TPO STAFF IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO LEAN ON YOUR T PERSON IN AUSTIN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO.
SO THAT, AND, AND THE ACTION HAS TO COME FROM TACK.
AND THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH THAT THIS LAST MONTH WITH, YOU KNOW, THE MEETING WE HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE AND IT'S BEEN KICKING DOWN THE ROAD.
AND I TOLD THE GROUP, YOU, YOU KNOW, I SAID, WE GOTTA TELL TACK TO GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION NEXT MONTH.
AND THAT, SO WE'RE KIND OF FACING THE SAME THING.
I THINK AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE HAVE TO GET OUR TRANSPORTATION TEAM TO COME TO US WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
CUZ THE SAME THING'S HAPPENING ON THE TPO POLICY BOARD, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THEY CAN'T, WE CAN'T GET THE BLACK BELTS AND WE CAN'T GET INTO THE WEEDS.
SO TO TARA'S POINT, I THINK THAT, AND YOU AND I ARE STARTING TO DO THAT MORE LIKE WE'VE GOT TO AFTER YOU HAD YOU HAD YOUR TECH COMMITTEE THIS MORNING MM-HMM.
AND I'M GONNA HAVE A HANDY ON WHAT'S COMING FROM TACK TO THE TPO NEXT MONTH.
AND, AND I THINK THE SAME ANALOGOUS THING HAS TO HAPPEN FOR US.
SO, CAUSE ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT THIS BOARD IS WITH A MUTUAL TRUST AND RESPECT, WE CAN DEVELOP POCKETS OF EXPERTISE AND LET FOLKS RUN WITH AND NOT HAVE TO HAVE ALL FIVE OF US GO DO EVERYTHING ALL TOGETHER.
SO I THINK WE DID WANT TO TOUCH ON THE FAIRGROUNDS ROAD PLEASE A LITTLE BIT.
SEE THAT'S THE WRAP UP AND WE'VE GOT 10 MINUTES.
SO THIS IS A, A QUICK LITTLE FOLLOW UP TO THE FAIRGROUNDS REPORTER STUDY THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD ON THE 7TH OF MARCH.
UM, BOARD DID PASS A MOTION TO RECEIVE THE STUDY.
UH, THE STUDY WILL ALLOW STAFF TO COORDINATE WITH VDOT ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE STUDY, THE SHORT, MID, AND LONG TERM IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, THE, THE SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENTS ARE OF THE CHEAP IMPROVEMENTS, SO TO SPEAK.
IT'S, IT'S SIGNAGE, STRIPING, TREE TRIMMING, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES THAT ARE QUICK, EASY, SAFETY DRIVEN PROJECTS THAT, THAT CAN BE HANDLED IN AND IMMEDIATELY IMPROVE.
THE CORRIDOR STAFF WILL BEGIN TO PRIORITIZE THE MIDTERM IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS YOUR RUMBLE STRIPS, YOUR SHOULDER WINDING, ET CETERA.
ANYTHING THAT VDOT CAN'T DO IN THEIR CURRENT MAINTENANCE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE TO FIND A FUNDING SOURCE FOR.
AND, UH, WORK AGAIN IN THE LIST, THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD IS WORKING, THROWING IN THOSE PRIORITIES AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, WE'RE BEGINNING TO PRIORITIZE AND ALREADY HAVE STARTED TO PRIORITIZE THE LONG TERM IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
SO IT'S FINDING THE RIGHT APPLICATION AND A FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR EACH PROJECT.
TWO THINGS IN THE STUDY THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON VERY BRIEFLY TODAY THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, UH, BOTH CITIZEN AND BOARD CONCERNS WERE THE GROWTH RATE AND CRASH DATA.
UH, THE, THE GROWTH RATE IS MORE OR LESS SUBJECTIVE.
IT'S, IT'S A RATE THAT IS DERIVED FROM THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL.
IT'S INTENT IS TO NOT FOLLOW POPULATION GROWTH TO A T IT'S A VEHICLE'S, IT'S A VEHICLE GROWTH ON THE ROAD.
SO IF THE COUNTY, WHICH HAS SEEN 5.6% GROWTH IN THE LAST YEAR, IT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY, UH, CORRELATE TO A 5.6% INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE GONNA
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BE ON A GIVEN ROAD.IF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I'M SORRY.
UH, THIS WAS THE BIG HANG OF THE BOARD MEETING MM-HMM.
ARE WE GONNA MOVE THIS AT ALL? I DIDN'T, I I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE GONNA MOVE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE V DODGES IN A STANDARD OR EVEN NATIONAL STANDARD.
THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL IS THE REGIONAL BIBLE, SO TO SPEAK.
THE GOSPEL OF BIRTH RATES AND REGIONAL IS CENTRAL, CENTRAL AND, AND, AND THE STATE.
UM, SPECIFICALLY REGIONAL, KIND OF TAKING A KIND A 50,000 FOOT VIEW, BUT A 10,000 FOOT VIEW OF, OF KIND OF THE LANDSCAPE REGIONALLY.
THE, THE TDM THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL IS WHAT'S USED.
IT SUGGESTS IN CENTRAL VIRGINIA A 0.6% GROWTH RATE ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, ORIGINALLY THE FAIR CORRIDOR STUDY ONLY HAD A 1% GROWTH RATE.
IN TALKING WITH THE CONSULTANTS IN VIDO STAFF'S GOAL WAS TO INCORPORATE, TO THE BEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, THE VILLAGE PLANS, KNOWING THEY WEREN'T PUBLIC AND NOT KNOWING FULLY WHAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THEM.
WE DID MAKE THE DECISION TO CONSERVATIVELY BUMP INTO AT 1.5% APPROPRIATE.
UM, HISTORICALLY IN THE EAST END OF THE COUNTIES WHERE WE'RE GONNA SEE OUR HIGHEST GROWTH RATES ON RECENT TIAS, WE'VE ONLY SEEN A MAX 2.5% TRAVEL GROWTH RATE.
AGAIN, THAT IS THE VEHICLES THAT ARE ON A ROAD.
SO I, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS TO BE CONFUSED WITH POPULATION GROWTH RATE BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO, UH, DISTINCT, UH, RATES.
THIS ISN'T THE ACTUAL GROWTH RATE.
I, I MEAN I JUST WANT TO LIKE, WE NEED THAT EXPERTISE FROM YOU AND FROM THE PEOPLE INTERACTING WITH THESE STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES.
AND IT'S, WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE SEE THAT AND THEY GROW IRATE JUST FOR THAT VERY REASON.
OH, POPULATION'S GROWING WAY MORE.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE.
AND, AND I'D ALMOST LIKE TO FRAME DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS SO THAT WE'RE SAYING, LOOK, WE NEED TO BE IN A FUNNEL NOT WAY UP IN HERE.
AND AND PART OF THAT IS THE, THE WELDED COOPER PROJECTION.
IT'S A, A FACILITY THROUGH UVA THAT PROJECTS, UH, POPULATION FOR THE ENTIRE REGION.
THE, UH, COUNTY HAS GROWN 5.06% SINCE 2017 TO NOW WHEN THE LAST WORLD IN COOPER NUMBERS WERE DONE BASED ON THE 2020 CENSUS.
SO THAT'S THREE YEARS OF ROUGHLY THE SAME 5%.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE BAKED INTO THE 0.6% THAT THE TDM RECOMMENDS 0.6% I THINK IS WAY TOO LOW FOR THIS COUNTY.
I THINK THIS COUNTY IS SEEING GROWTH THAT IS HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE IN CENTRAL VIRGINIA EITHER.
I THINK IT'S PLAINLY OBVIOUS, BUT CAN WE CAN'T GET IT.
WELL, AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION YESTERDAY MM-HMM.
THAT'S EVEN THAT JUST TO SAY THE TRAFFIC RATE IS THIS, IT'S GOING TO THIS WHETHER AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, INCREASE OF X PERCENTAGE OF VEHICLES OR, OR WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I I, IT IT, IT'S NOT, WHEN YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS EVERY DAY, IT GETS, UM, SO I, I DID WANT TO POINT OUT SPECIFICALLY THAT THE, THE POPULATION NUMBERS ARE CURRENTLY BAKED INTO THAT.
SO IT, AND IT'S THE, THE LAST BULLET IS THAT THIS, THIS IS THE MODEL THAT'S USED REGIONALLY.
SO FOR OUR STUDY TO BE TAKEN, QUITE FRANKLY, SERIOUSLY, IF WE WERE TO THROW IN A 5%, WE'D HAVE TO JUSTIFY 5% THE SAME WAY.
UM, IF WE WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH A SMART SCALE APPLICATION FOR THE ROUNDABOUT, JUST TO, TO PICK ON THAT ONE WITH A 5% GROWTH RATE, I, I WOULD ENVISION VDOT SAYING ABSOLUTELY NOT, THIS STUDY'S NOT GONNA BE WARRANTED.
THAT THAT IMPROVEMENT'S NOT WARRANTED IF YOU DON'T HAVE A 5% GROWTH RATE.
SO I THINK VDO WOULD KICK IT BACK IF WE HAD A GROWTH RATE ACTUALLY MATCH COUNTY RATE.
KEN AND I CAN GIVE YOU EXAMPLES OF WHEN YOU SEE A FINANCIAL PROJECTION MODEL MM-HMM.
YOU'RE LIKE, THAT'S NOT YOU WISH.
YOU WISH AND YOU WISH YOU COULD BASE YOUR VALUE ON THAT.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BASE A FINANCIAL PROJECTION MODEL.
AND, AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S TOUGH FOR US TO SWALLOW CUZ OF THE GROWTH WE ARE HAVING, RIGHT.
BUT WE NEED TO REALIZE I DON'T WANT US FIGHT LOSING BATTLES THIS COUNTY.
WELL, AND AND THAT'S WHY THE COUNTY STAFF, WE PUSHED FOR INSTEAD OF 1%, 1.5% BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE WITHIN THE BOUNDS THAT WERE ALLOWED.
AGAIN, I, I WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN V I OR THE CONSULTANTS ACCEPTING A FOUR, FIVE, 6% GROWTH RATE TO MATCH THE COUNTY GROWTH RATE.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS TOUCHED ON WAS THE CRASH DATA.
UH, CRASH DATA THAT WAS USED IN THE STUDY.
AND ALL STUDIES THAT WE'LL SEE FOR ANY PROJECT THAT WILL EVER SUBMIT FOR ANY KIND OF FUNDING USES THE DMV CRASH DATA, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE, UH, SHERIFF'S
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DEPARTMENT CRASH DATA.UH, AS NOTED IN THE, UH, PRESENTATIONS FROM THE SEVENTH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT RECORDED 66 CRASHES IN 2022.
DMV ONLY HAS A RECORD OF APPROXIMATELY 28 CRASHES IN THE SAME TIMEFRAME.
SO THERE'S AN INHERENT DISCONNECT THERE.
HOWEVER, THE MODEL WE HAVE TO USE FOR FUNDING APPLICATIONS IS THE DMV CRASH DATA FOR SMART SCALE, ET CETERA.
UH, FOR THE NATIONAL ROAD DDI TO SHOW THAT WE ONLY HAVE, AND I'M SURE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS HIGHER NUMBERS, WE SHOWED WE HAVE 15 WRECKS OVER THE COURSE OF FROM 20, WHAT WAS THE DATE OF PERSONAL 2020 TO NOW.
2020 TO NOW WE ONLY HAVE 15 WRECKS IN AND AROUND THAT INTERCHANGE.
THAT'S ACCORDING TO DMV THAT MADE OUR APPLICATION VERY COMPETITIVE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT STUDIES LIKE THAT HAVE TO USE ARE THOSE TYPES OF DATA.
IT DOESN'T HELP US TO CORRECT THE PROBLEMS OF FAIRGROUND RECORDS AND PETERSON'S POINT EARLIER, IT'S ABOUT STAFF USING THE UNOFFICIAL UNREPORTED NUMBERS RIGHT.
TO GUIDE THE PRIORITIES THAT MAY NOT BE PROPERLY REFLECTED IN THE STUDIES, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT IT'S USING THOSE LOCAL NUMBERS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF TO BETTER ALIGN OUR PRIORITIES.
YOU KNOW, THEY ALSO DIDN'T LOOK AT FAIR GROUND AND DICKINSON.
AND ONCE THE, ONCE THE ROUNDABOUT IS IN, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A NATURAL BREAK, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN GET IN AND OUT OF DICKON ROAD CAUSE TRAFFIC STOPS AT, AT SANDY HOOK RIGHT NOW.
I I HAD A CONVERSATION TOGETHER.
WOULDN'T BE A TIME YOU COULD GET OUTTA DICKENSON.
I I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH BEAT NOT ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION AFTER YOU HAD MADE THAT COMMENT THAT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A TEMPORARY CONDITION, IT DIDN'T WARRANT STUDYING IT AS IF IT WAS A PERMANENT CONDITION.
WHAT'S A TEMPORARY CONDITION? THE, THE DETOUR? NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DETOUR.
I'M TALKING ABOUT ONCE THE ROUNDABOUT IS IN ALL THAT TRAFFIC IS GONNA FLOW AUTOMATICALLY.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A, A NATURAL STOP LIKE THERE IS RIGHT NOW THAT YOU CAN GET IN AND OUT OF DICKENSON ROAD IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW BECAUSE TRAFFIC DOES STOP RIGHT HERE.
NATURALLY CARS ARE COME, GET, GOT STOPPED THEN I THEN I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR CONCERN ABOUT HAVING DICKON.
I'M NOT SAYING WELL, BUT IT'S NOT TEMPORARY.
ONCE THE ROUND AND, AND, AND THEN I MISUNDERSTOOD.
I I TOOK IT AS YOUR CONCERN WAS ABOUT DICKINSON DURING THE DETOUR BECAUSE DICKINSON WILL BE A MESS DURING THE DETOUR.
NO, NO, I'VE GOT, OKAY, THEN, THEN I'M MISUNDERSTOOD.
SO KEEP IN MIND, UH, THE RENTALS PROPERTY IS PART OF THE COURT OF EITHER COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S GOING WHATEVER IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT THERE.
UH, SO IT'S JUST GONNA COMBAT AND DOES, DIDN'T EVEN LOOK AT THAT.
SO I I I, I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS ON THIS AND UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AS THE STUDY GOES, AND TO BE COMPETITIVE, IT'S, THE NUMBERS WE HAVE TO USE ARE THE DMV ONES.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ARBITRARILY CHANGE, BUT IT IS USING THE LOCAL DATA TO MAKE THOSE PRIORITIES AS FAR AS, OKAY, DMV'S CRASH DATA MAY NOT SAY THIS INTERSECTION'S HIGHER THAN DICKINSON AND FAIRGROUNDS FOR EXAMPLE, BUT WE KNOW THAT DICKINSON AND FAIRGROUNDS IS A PROBLEM.
SO WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY PURSUE THAT ONE OVER THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS.
AUSTIN, WHY, WHY IS ARE THE NUMBERS FROM DMV COUNTY SHERIFF? SO, SO DMV UH, ONLY, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DOLLAR FIGURE, BUT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ONLY, UM, FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
WHAT WAS THE TOTAL, THE ACCIDENT.
HUNDRED OR MORE THAN MS. PORT WOULD BE OR ANY INJURY IN THE ACCIDENT.
SO THAT MAKES THIS OFFICE THAT THEN DMV BE HIGHER? NO, TO THE DMP THEY REPORT NON-REPORTABLE THIS SHERIFF'S OFFICE NON-REPORTABLE ACCIDENTS.
BUT IF IT WAS OVER $1,500 OR AN INJURY, DMV DOES GET, SO THERE'S THIS, THESE 28 ACCIDENTS ARE SUBSET OF THAT 66.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOESN'T NOT PART WITH SOMEBODY.
DMV'S NOT GONNA KNOW ABOUT IT.
BUT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WILL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT REPORTED EVERYTHING AND GIVE US A BETTER CHANCE?
AND TO THAT END, YOU HAVE QUESTION.
IT WAS JUST, I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THOSE COUPLE.
GROUND EXTENSION, FAIR GROUND BURN EXTENSION.
WHAT'S OUR DEADLINE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER WE, SO I, I TALKED TO BDOT ABOUT THE PHRASING THAT WAS USED AT THE, UH, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OR THE EXECUTIVE MEETING, WHICH WAS CRITICAL DECISION.
CRITICAL DECISION IS A VDOT INTERNAL TERMINOLOGY.
THERE'S NOT A DECISION NEEDED BY JULY ONE OR ELSE FUNDING GOES AWAY.
IT'S, HEY, IT'S FOR VDOT TO BE REMINDED THEMSELVES TO POKE US AS A COUNTY TO GET THAT PROJECT FULLY FUNDED AND OFF THE BOOKS.
IN REALITY, IF WE DON'T COME UP WITH THE ADDITIONAL $1 MILLION IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, I WOULD SEE VDOT HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH US ABOUT PROGRAMMING THE FUNDING ELSEWHERE.
BUT I SO, SO GOOD CONTEXT FOR THOSE THAT WEREN'T, THERE WAS A MEETING THAT WE HAD AND VDOT BROUGHT THE FACT THAT THOSE FUNDS HAVE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS OR THEIR MATCHING FUNDS AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.
CAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA USE THEM, THEY'RE GONNA GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.
SO THAT THERE'S, THERE'S CURRENTLY NOT A DROP DEAD DATE, BUT THEY, THEY WOULD START HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH US PROBABLY STARTING IN SIX MONTHS
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AND THEN A YEAR ABOUT OUR, OUR SERIES.I THINK WE'RE OUT OF THE SIDE.
CAUSE WE'RE, AND SUSAN NOW WOULD JUST TELL YOU, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
ALL THAT LAND ON THAT EXTENSION, WE CAN COVER THIS GAP BY SELLING, SELLING THE COUNTY LAND ALONG THAT, WHICH IS THE PLAN COUNTY.
NOT LOT OF IT, A LOT OF IT I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING WE SURE WE SHOULDN'T.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PRIORITIZED, UH, WITH OTHER PRODUCTS.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S, THERE'S SOME WHAT WE, WE KIND HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE THE VILLAGE.
I SORT OF WAIT, SEE THE VILLAGE PLAN.
BUT I, BUT I THINK WE KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA GO AS FAR AS THAT GOES BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THAT LAND AND WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER ROADS WE WANT TO BUILD IN THE VILLAGE AND STUFF TOO.
SO I WANNA SEE HOW IT ALL, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
BUT I, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THAT A PRIORITY TO MAKE A DECISION, UM, BY THE END OF THE YEAR OR SOMETHING.
SOONER THAN LIKE A DECISION SUMMER TIMEFRAME.
AGAIN, THERE'S NO DROP DEAD DATE, BUT WE DID, WE DID TELL 'EM, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU GIVE US TILL JULY TO MAKE IT MORE OR LESS DEFINITIVE? IT, IT'D BE EASIER IF WE COULD REDIRECT THEIR SHARE OF REVENUE SHARE.
BUT WE CAN'T GOES BACK TO THE STATE BUCKET TO, SO ANY, ANY OTHER JURISDICTION IN THE DISTRICT AND THE MONEY WE, WE PLEDGE WOULD COME BACK TO US.
YEAH, WELL WE, I WOULD ACTUALLY SPEND IT CORRECT.
BE SITTING IN ANOTHER BUCKET ON SIDE 9 MILLION.
WE COULD GO, WE COULD PUT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THEORY.
SO I GUESS WE SHOULD ONE, I SAW IT AS THE GENERAL DIRECTION IS VILLAGE STUDY.
WE'LL KIND OF SEE HOW THAT COMES OUT AND THEN WE WILL MAYBE HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON THE EXTENSION.
IMAGINE FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO THAT MIXING BOLT IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO WHAT I KIND OF HEARD TAKE AWAYS FOR, FOR, FOR ME AT LEAST WAS UM, WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON GETTING, PULLING THE C I P DATA AND THE, THE DATA FOR THE, UM, OUR POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES AND OUR, OUR APPROACH TOGETHER.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE LOOKING AT, UH, HOW TO BETTER UTILIZE THE RESOURCES, UH, FROM THE BOARD TO HELP INFORM STAFFS SO THAT WE CAN NEXT STEP COME WITH AND HAD A GOOD SESSION OF ACTUAL PRIORITIZATION TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE, THESE ARE THE PRIORITIES AS WE SEE THEM AND BUILD OUT A PLAN.
SO SOME SORT OF VISUAL LIKE THAT I THINK WOULD BE ASPIRATIONAL.
ALSO WORKING ON SOME SORT OF VISUAL FOR THE COUNTY SATURDAY SOMEBODY SAID, SO I HEARD YOU GUYS ARE LIKE A YEAR BEHIND ON THE ROUNDABOUT AND YOU GUYS COMPLETELY UNDERESTIMATED THE FAIRGROUNDS ROAD EXTENSION.
LIKE NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS ARE TRUE AT ALL.
BUT, UM, PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE SEEING CONSTRUCTION IN THE COUNTY.
THEY'RE ONLY MORE FOLKS LIKE YOU CAN GO ON WEF WEBSITE AND SHOW THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HEAD OF SET AND THEY'RE SHOCKED TO HEAR THAT.
UH, LET'S TAKE A, DID ANYBODY HEAR ANYTHING ELSE TAKE AWAY PERSPECTIVE OR DID I GET IT ALL SHOCK? WELL THAT I GOTTA TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS.
WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT BIG C I P BUDGET STUFF.
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YOU GO TO, YOU STILL TALKING MINUTE.SO THE BRACKET'S SUPPOSED TO BE FILLED OUT BY NOW.
CAN WE FILL THE BRACKETS? WHERE ARE WE OUT UNTIL THURSDAY? UNTIL THURSDAY.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO BACK TO SESSION.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT OUR, OUR C I P.
UM, THIS PRESENTATION IS GONNA FOCUS ON JUST THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.
UM, I ALSO HAVE GIVEN YOU ALL THE 11 BY 17, WHICH INCLUDES 25 YEARS, BUT SO FAR DOWN THE ROAD.
SO HARD TO PREDICT COSTS AND NEEDS THAT WE'LL JUST FOCUS ON FIVE YEARS TODAY.
SO IN CONSIDERING WHICH PROJECTS TO PRIORITIZE HERE, WE LOOKED
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AT, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE PAID FOR MAINTENANCE AND UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, ALL OF OUR IT SYSTEM UPGRADES AND SERVER REFRESHES OUT OF OUR CIP P.SO WE HAD TO LOOK AT THE LIFECYCLE OF THE DIFFERENT FACILITIES AND METER OPERATING SYSTEMS OF EQUIPMENT, UM, HOW MUCH TO FUND EACH OF THOSE POTS.
UH, WE ALSO HAD TO TAKE INFLATION INTO ACCOUNT, UM, BY USING THE CPI.
AND AGAIN, UM, THE FARTHER OUT YOU GO, YOU CAN ONLY PREDICT WHETHER INFLATION'S GONNA STAY AS HIGH AS IT IS NOW OR RETURN TO NORMAL LEVELS.
THINK WE WENT ON THE CONSERVATIVE END AND KEPT IT HIGH.
UM, AND WE EVALUATED ALTERNATIVES TO MAINTAINING EXISTING STRUCTURES VERSUS BUILDING EVERYTHING NEW.
UM, WE JUST DON'T HAVE A MONEY STREAM AVAILABLE UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, SO ASIDE FROM THE ABILITY TO CASH FUND CERTAIN PROJECTS, THAT'S ALWAYS THE GOAL, UM, IF WE'VE GOT IT THERE.
BUT WE DO HAVE THE COURTHOUSE BEING PAID FOR IN FY 26, 20 8 MILLION PROJECT WILL LIKELY BE MORE, BUT WE'RE STICKING WITH 28 FOR NOW.
UM, WE HOPE TO BORROW WITHIN OUR DEBT CAPACITY WHAT WE WILL BORROW WITHIN OUR DEBT CAPACITY TO FOLLOW OUR MODELS AND, UM, MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT TAX RATE.
WE, THE GOAL IS TO NOT HAVE TO RAISE TAXES TO FUND ANY OF THESE PROJECTS.
UM, AND TO MAKE MR. PETERSON VERY HAPPY WITH THIS PRESENTATION.
WE KNOW WE ARE VERY AWARE OF THE, THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO KEEP OUR ASSIGNED AND UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE LEVEL.
THOSE NEED TO GROW AS OUR BOTTOM LINE BUDGET EXPENSES GROW.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE, WHILE I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THE PROJECTS THAT ARE REQUESTED BY DEPARTMENTS, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE LEVELS THAT WE NEED TO OKAY.
UM, THIS IS A LOOK AT WHAT'S BEING ADOPTED WITH THE 2024 BUDGET.
IT'S 76% TO EDUCATION AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE FUNDING TO, UM, THAT'S 15 MILLION OF THAT FIRE RESCUE DOES INCLUDE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME EXPENSIVE APPARATUSES BUT ALSO ANOTHER MILLION TOWARDS THE, UM, WESTBURY FIRE STATION.
AND AS FOR THE FIVE YEAR, THAT LOOKS A LITTLE, UM, A LITTLE MORE CLOSE TO WHAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING.
UM, THE COURTHOUSE IS INCLUDED HERE TO COME UP TO THAT 22% JUDICIAL, UM, FOR 118 MILLION IN FIVE YEARS.
BEFORE I GET INTO EACH DEPARTMENT, I WAS GONNA GO THROUGH THE PROJECTS BY DEPARTMENT, BUT I'VE GOT BOTH FACILITIES AND PARKS AND REC HERE THAT NEED TO GET OUT A LITTLE BIT EARLY.
SO I'D LOVE TO NOT START WITH EDUCATION CUZ THEIRS IS THE BIGGEST AND PROBABLY THE LONGEST.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND,
IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? AND I'LL LET SCOTT TAKE IT OVER HERE.
SCOTT FOSTER, DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES.
SO THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING LIFECYCLE THAT COVERS ROOFTOP UNITS.
UM, THIS BUILDING HAS MULTIPLE LEVELS OF ROOTS AND SEVERAL OF THE ROOTS ARE BEYOND 20 TO 25 YEARS OLD.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT LIFE CYCLE IS IN YEAR 26.
DON'T WANT ME TO GO LINE BY LINE.
IS THAT THE GAME PLAN HERE OR I DON'T WANT SAY, HIT THE HIGH POINTS.
IS THERE ANY, I MEAN ANYONE IN PARTICULAR WANT ME TO DISCUSS OR, OR ANY QUESTIONS TELL ABOUT THE LIBRARY? THE LIBRARY THAT IS 285,000, THAT'S PROFFER MONEY THAT WE RECEIVED FOR LIBRARY EXPANSION.
I HAVE MET WITH MR. SHELEY AND GOTTEN AN ESTIMATE ON ADDING ON PHYSICAL SPACE TO IT.
AND IT WASN'T THE DIRECTION HE FELT THE LIBRARY SHOULD GO.
HE'S LOOKING AT SIMILAR TO A RED BOX.
IT'S A BOOK VENDING TYPE SITUATION FOR THERE OR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE PCS.
IT'S THE RED, THE ABOVE THE 2 85 WAS COUNTY FUNDED, BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S PROPER MONEY AND IT'S ONLY FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE LIBRARY IS WHY IT HASN'T BEEN SPENT OR BEEN NO REAL MOMENTUM ON THAT.
WE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION A COUPLE TIMES, THERE'S SOME MINOR INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED THAT, UH, REAL SIGNIFICANT LACK OF CAMERAS AROUND THE COMPLEX.
I SEE WE'VE GOT 50,000 OPPOSE EACH TIME.
IS THERE A PLAN TO GET US TO SORT OF A BASELINE TO WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT ADEQUATE COVERAGE? YES.
WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUALLY FINDING HOLES IN OUR COVERAGE AND WE'RE CONTINUALLY TRYING TO UPGRADE CAMERAS.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING WITH OUR CAMERA VENDOR DOMINION LOT NEXT WEDNESDAY TO GO OVER THAT AND TO GO OVER WHERE I KNOW ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE REGISTRAR HAS DETERMINED HE NEEDS ONE THAT SHINES ON WHERE THE VOTING MACHINES ARE KEPT.
SO CAN TRACK WHO GOES IN AND OUT OF THERE.
THAT'S THE SPOT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF.
BUT OUT AT THE CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, IT'S LACKING
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CAMERAS OUT THERE.THAT WHOLE COMPLEX DOWN ON THE, THE ADMIN, I MEAN THE, UM, COURTHOUSE COMPLEX.
WE HAVE SOME AREAS, AND I KNOW THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS SOME AREAS THEY'D LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL CAMERAS.
BUT DO YOU FEEL THIS 50,000 SPREAD OVER TIME IS REPRESENTED WHAT WE NEED TO GET US SORT OF A BASELINE OR SHOULD OVER TIME IT'LL GET US, IF WE WANT TO GET THERE QUICKER, THEN YES, MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT INCREASING THAT IN THE UM, 24, 25 POTENTIALLY TO GET US THERE, DEPENDING ON HOW BIG OF A HIT WE WANT TO TAKE.
BUT THAT'S NOT ONLY CAMERAS, THAT'S NOT ONLY CAMERAS, THAT'S ANY DOOR SECURITY OR ACCESS CONTROL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THAT IS CORRECT I THINK.
IF THIS QUESTION, WHAT'S THE COLOR CODE? THE EVERYTHING IN PINK IS A LIFECYCLE MAINTENANCE TYPE OKAY.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT'S FUNDED.
I MEAN A LOT OF THIS IS FUNDED FROM GENERAL FUND, BUT THIS IS WHAT'S A RECURRING GENERAL FUND EXPENSE.
SO A MILLION FOR THE EAST END MINI COMMUNITIES.
WHAT, WHAT THAT OUT, OUT YEARS? IS THAT THE FIRST TIME THAT'S BEEN IN OUR FIVE YEARS? I THINK THAT'S BEEN IN THERE IN THE PAST.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE IT'S A PLACEHOLDER BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S A NEED FOR A, UM, EAST END CONVENIENCE CENTER AT SOME POINT OR, OR WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR THAT.
SO, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THAT FOR IDENTIFICATION OF LAND, ACTUAL LAND ACQUISITION? YES.
AND, AND THAT SITE WOULD BE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THAT SITE IS NOT A SITE THAT TAKES BRUSH, IT WOULD BE COMPACTOR SITTING ON TOP OF PAVEMENT KIND OF LOUISA HAS SOMETHING SIMILAR AND JUST, UM, SOME RECYCLING ON TOP.
IT WOULD BE A ONE MAN OPERATION, A LITTLE SMALL BUILDING FORM WITH A RESTROOM.
IT WOULD NOT BE A LARGE, MAINLY BE RECYCLING HOUSEHOLD TRASH, NO BRUSH, NOTHING LIKE THAT.
AND YES, WE HAVE NOT ACQUIRED LAND OR, OR ANYTHING FROM THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S A PLACEHOLDER AT THIS POINT.
AND I HAVEN'T EVEN ANSWERED IF I WOULD'VE READ THIS LINE BELOW, BUT ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND CAMPUS SECURITY AT $200,000, IS THAT POTENTIALLY, IS THAT SOMETHING DIFFERENT? A ATION OF COMPLEX RENOVATION? THE VERY LAST LINE.
AND I CAN LET CARLOS SPEAK TO THAT.
THAT WAS ADDED IN ADDITIONAL, I BELIEVE.
YEAH, THIS WAS A SUGGESTION FROM MR. CARPENTER TO, AND I THINK IT WILL AID THOSE 50 THOUSANDS EACH YEAR, BUT IT'S, IT INCLUDES THE SAME TYPE OF SECURITY BUT TO THIS BUILDING.
BUT THAT'S PROBABLY ON THE HIGH SIDE.
WELL I THINK WE'VE, WE HAD A WORK SESSION ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHEN WE HAD PROTESTORS IN THE AREA.
WE WERE WORKING ON A PLAN WE COULD, WE, UH, THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE BUTTONED UP.
AND IF YOU PUT A BUG IN HIS EAR ABOUT THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
WE WORKED WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AFTER THOSE, UM, DEMONSTRATIONS AND PROTESTS AND THEY FOUND SOME HOLES OR SEVERAL HOLES AND A LOT OF THOSE WE'RE CURRENTLY TRYING TO ADDRESS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME CAMERAS THAT ARE ON ORDER AND THE CAMERA'S SUBJECT TO THAT CHIP THAT A LOT OF STUFF WAS.
SO WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR NINE, 10 MONTHS FROM CAMERA IN SOME SITUATIONS.
SO THE LAST LINE IS THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING HERE.
THE LINE ABOVE IT, UH, IN SECURITY IS ANYTHING BUT HERE, CORRECT? YES MA'AM.
UM, ZIP REPLACEMENT, UH, FURTHER DOWN.
I'M GUESSING VEHICLE WAS FIVE YEARS NOW ACROSS MORE THAN TODAY.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I DON'T, IT MAY BE ON A SUBSEQUENT SLIDE, SO A STUPID QUESTION.
BUT, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE ABANDON OF FACILITY, THE, UH, THE OLD GES AND YES SIR, THAT'S UNDER ADMINISTRATION COMPLEX RENOVATION FY 28, 600 50,000 WAS PUT THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER TO RENOVATE THE OLD G G UM GS.
BUT AT THIS POINT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE PLAN OF WHO'S POTENTIALLY MOVING IN THERE OR WHAT RENOVATIONS ARE TAKING PLACE.
AND THEN THE MILLION FROM CONVENIENCE CENTER, WE'VE GOT, UH, TWO CONVENIENCE CENTERS NOW AND FROM THE EAST END THEY'RE NOT.
YES, WE ROUTINELY GET QUESTIONS AND COMPLAINTS OR REQUEST TO HAVE ONE DOWN THAT THAT AREAS OKAY.
UH, THE GENERAL SERVICES RELOCATION, THAT WASN'T CONTEMPLATED TO BE THE GS THAT WAS, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SET UP BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL, UM, NEW COURTHOUSE DESIGN REQUIRED US TO RELOCATE AND THAT WAS OUR RELOCATION.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING BACK AS A WHOLE AT WHERE THAT NEW COURTHOUSE IS GONNA GO AND THIS POTENTIAL, WE MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE TO RELOCATE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY ENGAGE WITH THE FIRM TO DECIDE BEST SPOT FOR THE NEW COURT THAT'S COMING UP IN THE FUTURE.
WE MAY THAT MAY BE ABLE JUST GO BACK AND PUT POND POTENTIALLY.
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THANK YOU.ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? MR. FOSTER? ONE, ONE OTHER THING.
SO, UH, THE COUNTY OWNS COPY HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE WHERE EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA NEED FOR PART OF THE COURTHOUSE COMPLEX.
RIGHT? AND SO PART OF THAT IS THAT THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME DEMOLITION WORK DONE.
IS THAT THE KIND OF THING THAT'S TO PLAY HERE? DOES THAT JUST COME OUTTA OPERATING FUNDS? THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND AGAIN, I, UNTIL WE, I THINK WE HAVE A FINAL DESIGN ON WHERE THE NEW COURT WOULD GO.
SOME BUILDINGS MIGHT NOT THAT ORIGINALLY THOUGHT WE NEEDED DEMOLITION THAT THE, THE TWO PROPERTIES WE PURCHASED ON THE FRONT, THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE AND THE SERVICE CENTER.
THEY, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE NEW COURT SITS, I THINK IT'S POTENTIAL THAT THEY MAY GET RENOVATED OR REPURPOSED OR THEY MAY GET THAT'S KIND OF STILL, BUT THAT THERE'S NOT MONEY SET ASIDE IN THIS RIGHT HERE TO DEMOLISH OR TO RENOVATE.
IF THAT, IF THAT'S ANSWERING THE QUESTION WELL, DEPENDING ON LINDA, DEPENDING, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE COURTHOUSE, I MEAN THAT WHOLE AREA IS GONNA HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT, RIGHT? YES MA'AM.
SO ONE WAY WHETHER'S I'M THE SAME.
I THINK AT THAT POINT WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA HOW MUCH WE NEED TO PUT IN GOING FORWARD.
AND THE FIVE YEAR C REAL QUICK, UM, WERE THERE THINGS THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WANTED OR NEEDED THAT DID NOT MAKE THIS LIST? NO, THIS, THIS IS A GOOD LIST.
UM, THE ONLY I GUESS, AND I UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET HAS TO BALANCE, BUT THE CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL WE'VE REQUESTED A LITTLE MORE IN THAT AND I UNDERSTAND IT HAS THE BALANCE, BUT UM, THEY'RE OUT OF PARKING ON ANY PRO PROGRAM DAY RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A LITTLE MORE TO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL PARKING OUT THERE.
AND ALSO TO, WE REALIZE WE DON'T HAVE ANY REAL 88 ACCESS TO THE NEW BALL FIELDS WE'VE CREATED TO TRY TO ADDRESS HOPEFULLY THE HUNDRED WE CAN AT LEAST ADDRESS SOME PARKING AND THE ADA PORTION OF IT.
THAT'S WHY IT SAYS ADA ONLY, BUT ADDITIONAL FUNDING THERE COULD CERTAINLY BE USED IF THAT WAS AVAILABLE OUT AT THE COMPLEX.
OTHER, OTHER THAN THAT, THIS IS THE FULL SCOPE OF YES SIR.
AND THEN WE DON'T NEED TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT IF, IF WE ONLY HAVE SIX NAMES, 6.6, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU TALKING ABOUT IF YOU HAD TO, RIGHT? YES SIR.
YOU DON'T NEED TELL US BUT YES SIR.
JUST KEEPING ON THE CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL THEME.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT A BIG OUTLAY IN 34 CAUSE A LOT OF THAT BUILDING STILL NEEDS TO BE RENOVATED.
IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF WE COULD LOOK, IF WE COULD SORT OF GET OUR WAY THERE.
IT'S SUCH A POPULAR COMPLEX AND IT'S SUCH A GREAT, UH, BLUE CITIZENS LOVE IT.
AND YOU KNOW, WE HAD, WE'VE GOT THAT ROOM SITTING THERE.
IS THERE A WAY TO LIKE BREAK THAT UP TO MAYBE BRING IT, SEND THAT NEW PIECE MEAL? RIGHT.
AND MS. KROMER CAN SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT ON FULL PROGRAM DAYS, I BELIEVE THERE IS NO PARKING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO TO ADD, TO RENOVATE AND TO TRY TO ADD MORE PROGRAMS, WE REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS WHERE WE'RE GONNA PARK EVERYWHERE.
DON'T WANT TO BE RUDE, BUT, UH, MY SON'S GRADUATING FROM THE FIRE ACADEMY.
SO WE'LL JUMP TO PARKS AND REC, BUT I DO WANT TO, BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, EXPLAIN, UM, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT JUST THE FY 24, WE DID CUT A FEW PROJECTS, NOT NECESSARILY MUCH FROM SCOTT'S BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE MOST OF IT IS, UM, RECURRING AND IT'S JUST MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN MM-HMM.
BUT AS WE GO, UH, THERE, WELL THERE WILL BE OTHER THAT YOU'LL SEE OR WE CAN TALK TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT DID HAVE REQUESTS.
UM, MOST OF THOSE WERE JUST PUSHED BACK BY 25 OR PUSHED FURTHER.
AND I'LL LET JESSICA COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT HER FEW PROJECTS THAT SHE HAS NOT MUCH TO SPEAK OF.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOT A TIME IN HERE, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR PARKS AND REC.
BUT, UM, BUT I DID WANT TO DISCUSS ESPECIALLY NEXT YEAR'S PROJECT, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD AN ONGOING PROJECT UP HERE AT THIS ION SPORTS COMPLEX.
WE'RE JUST DOING SOME FIELD REHAB UP THERE.
AND THIS 22,000 IS TO COMPLETE THAT.
THE BALL FIELD RENOVATION THERE.
UM, THE GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING THEIR BEST FOR THE, ITS
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DES DESPERATELY NEEDS TO BE RENOVATED THIS WHAT CHANGE OVER FROM THE DIRT FIELD TO A GRASS FIELD ADDRESSING IRRIGATION ISSUES.UM, DO SOME LASER GRADING TO FIX ANY SAFETY ISSUES WE HAVE AT THAT FACILITY AS WELL.
UH, SO THAT IS WHAT THE BALL FIELD MAINTENANCE IS FOR, FOR DO WE NOT HAVE ANY PARKS AND REC DOLLARS ASSIGNED FOR COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AND CENTERVILLE VILLAGE PLANS SPECIFICALLY ALLOCATED TO THE PLANS THEMSELVES? YEAH.
I DO FORESEE THAT AT ONCE THE PLANS ARE COMPLETED, THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS BASED ON WORKING TO CARRY OUT SOME OF THE IMPLEMENTATION, UM, STEPS OR RECOMMENDATIONS, WHETHER THAT'S BASED ON CONNECTIVITY FOR SIDEWALKS, BIKES, WHETHER IT'S IMPROVING EXISTING TRAILS, UM, AS THE COURTHOUSE AREA PRIMARILY HAS OUR TRAIL NETWORK.
I'M, I'M THINKING IS A, YOU KNOW, ENHANCING THE ATTRACTIVENESS CORRECT.
OF CORRECT THOSE AS UM, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
SO PARK THAT UNDER YOUR, THAT IS SO KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
SO A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS ARE VERY INTERTWINED WITH WHAT GENERAL SERVICES DOES.
SO I BELIEVE THAT HE HAD THAT LISTED UNDER HIS BUDGET.
BUT WE HAVE, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE LOCAL, UH, FRIENDS, VISION PARKS, THEY'RE WORKING TO RAISE SOME MONEY DIRECTLY TOWARDS SKATE PARK RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.
AND MR. LUMPKINS, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WAS REQUESTED BUT WE DID NOT INCLUDE IN FY 24.
UM, IF, IF THEY CAN COME, IF SCOTT CAN COME TO A, UM, A HAPPY MEDIUM ON PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY DO NEED TO FINISH PHASE ONE TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, BUT I DON'T THINK THE DECISION WAS MADE TO GO TO PHASE TWO AND SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY.
UM, JUST CAUSE THAT THAT WAS ON CHINA.
HE'S STILL WORKING ON HIS OWN.
HE, IF HE TO, UM, THE UM, ELEPHANT, UM, PREVIOUSLY FUNDED DOES HAVE A FISCAL YEAR ATTACHED TO IT.
SO THIS IS, SO THAT MAY BE MORE OF AN, SO THAT PROJECT HAS ACTUALLY MOVED TO TRANSPORTATION LIKE THREE YEARS AGO.
UM, SO THE 1.004 MILLIONS UP THERE NOW IS FUNDING THAT THE COUNTY HAD ASSIGNED BOTH PROPER FUNDS AND, AND SIMILAR TYPE FUNDS.
WHEN WE HAD TO TAP OUT APPLIC DATA THAT WAS IN WITH VDOT OVERSIGHT, THAT PROJECT'S BEEN REMOVED FROM VDO OVERSIGHT.
THAT PROJECT CURRENTLY STANDS IN A DECISION FOR STAFF TO FINALIZE SOME ALIGNMENT TO BETTER, I THINK MEET THE COMP, THE COMP PLAN GOALS AND CONNECTIVITY WITH THE TRAILS FOR THEM ITSELF.
UM, THE, THE GOAL IS TO NOT INCLUDE THE FY 20 700,000 SHE HAS UP THERE, BUT THE MONEY WE CURRENTLY HAVE IS ALL WE WANT TO SPEND ON THE PROJECT.
AND IDEALLY WE ALLOCATE, UM, THE ONE, THE $1 MILLION WE HAVE CALL THE ACTUAL NUMBER SOMEWHERE BUT LESS THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND BEEN SPENT.
SO WE HAVE OVER $950,000 IN CASH IN ENHANCED SITTING ON THAT PROJECT THAT WE CAN USE FOR CONSTRUCTION.
UM, AT MY RECENT TOWN HALL, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS ASKED, UH, IF WE HAD JUST ABANDONED THAT PROJECT.
CAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF VISITOR PROGRESS AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PHASING IT.
I KNOW EVENTUALLY THEY GO FROM ROUTE SIX ALL UP TO BROAD.
IT TAKES QUITE A WHILE TO GET THERE.
AND I KNOW WE HAD TO GET EASEMENTS THROUGH ALL THE PROPERTIES BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND I KNOW WE HAD FUNDING ISSUES AND WHAT SHOULD WE MANAGE OURSELVES AND SHOULD BE THAT.
SO IF HE COULD LET ME KNOW HOW I SHOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT COMES UP OF DID WE ABANDON IT AND WHERE DOES IT STAND?
WE AS ACCOUNTING HAVE NOT ABANDONED IT.
IT'S VERY, IDEALLY WE HAVE PLANNED APPROVAL BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS FOR CONSTRUCTION EARLY 2024 AND CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEXT EASEMENT.
EASEMENTS STILL HAVE TO BE DONE.
THAT'S THE ALIGNMENT MAY OR MAY NOT BE CHANGING.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THAT PART OUT AS WELL.
SO THE TOTAL PROJECT IS, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE OR SIX MILES.
HOW MANY MILES HAVE, GIVE OR TAKE ABOUT SIX, FIVE TO SIX MILES.
THIS WHY THE CITIZENS ARE GOING STOP.
THE CURRENT PHASE ONE IS A MILE AND A HALF AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED.
UM, AND THE PRICE TAG IS APPROXIMATELY THAT $1 MILLION PRICE TAG.
SO WHEN A MILLION RUNS OUT AND WE'RE A THIRD OF THE WAY THERE, THEN WHAT IT'S ABOUT FINDING MORE SOURCES OF FUNDS THROUGH TRANSPORTATION, FUNDING SOURCES, POTENTIALLY
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TRANSPORTATION AND ALTERNATIVES THAT WE FUNDED, TRIED TO FUND THE FIRST PHASE WITH.UM, SO IT'S FINDING THE, PRIORITIZING THOSE FUNDS FOR THAT ASPECT.
IT'S, SO WE REALLY ONLY HAVE THE FUNDING FOR A THIRD OF IT.
WE HAVEN'T CONSTRUCTED ANY OF IT YET.
WELL, WE'LL LEAVE A BASKET BY THE DOOR ON YOUR WAY OUT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE WHY CITIZENS ARE SCRATCHING THE HEAD A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BIDS THAT PHASE ONE CONSTRUCTION WE THINK MAY OR MAY NOT START IN FISCAL 25.
SO THE PLAN IS TO GET SOLICITED BIDS, UH, MID FISCAL YEAR 24, IDEALLY THAT IT'S VERY MUCH CONTINGENT ON EASEMENTS.
WE HAVE VERBAL AGREEMENTS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS FOR EASEMENTS BASED OFF THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT.
UM, WE HAVE CONTRACTED WITH AND PAUSED THE CONSULTANT OF THE SURVEYOR TO DRAW UPSET EASEMENTS.
UM, THEY'RE READY TO DO SO IF THE ALIGNMENT DOES NOT CHANGE.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE PROCESS COURT, COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM, WELL LIKE TO, I LIKE TO UNDERPROMISE AND OVER DELIVER.
SO HOW DO I UNDERPROMISE ON THIS ONE? IT'S GONNA BE FIVE YEARS.
I WON'T DRILL ANY DEEP ON THIS.
I REALLY JUST WANTED A GENERAL UPDATE SO I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION FROM THE TOWN HALLS.
I HAVE THE ANSWER, I THINK I NEED THIS POINT, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE REST OF IT LATER.
UH, YOU'LL BACK THE REST OF MY TIME.
IS THAT THE FIRST LOCALLY ADMINISTERED PROJECT WE'RE DOING? IT WAS GOING TO BE THE FIRST LOCALLY ADMINISTERED PROJECT OF OVERSIGHT.
UH, WE'VE REMOVED BI OVERSIGHT, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY LOCALLY ADMINISTERED PROJECTS.
DOES THAT STILL COUNT? WE GOT DASHBOARDS THEN, OR WE ARE FOR ONE BECAUSE WE REMOVED FEDERAL FUNDING AND WAS TIED TO THE PROJECT.
SO DOES THAT STILL GO ON OUR DASHBOARD? IS THAT CORRECT? WE, WE ARE OVER ONE ON THE DASHBOARD.
THE LAST THING, THE CITIZENS ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND THEY CAN'T WAIT JUST TO THROW THAT IN THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN TOLD TIME AND AGAIN, IT'S COMING.
SO ANYTHING ELSE? ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SPRING REGISTRATION GOING FANTASTIC.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE TO EDUCATION? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL START THERE.
SO A LOT OF THIS DISCUSSION HAPPENED IN THE PUBLIC.
YOU WERE ALL HERE, UM, REVOLVING AROUND THE 15 MILLION IN FUNDING FOR HOUSTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UM, A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY REQUESTED IN 24 WERE PUSHED BACK, UM, TO FUTURE YEARS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, FY 26 IS REALLY LARGE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, UM, REALLY PRIORITIZE AND WORK CLOSELY WITH THE SCHOOLS ON ALL OF THE COSTS THAT WERE PUT IN FY 26.
BUT WHAT FY 24 PROPOSES IS THE 15 MILLION, SOME HVAC, UH, ADDITIONS TO VIC HIGH SCHOOL, UM, SOME ROUTINE MAINTENANCE UPGRADES TO RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY AND UM, THE SAME WITH THIRD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THOSE ARE OLD BUILDINGS AND I THINK THIS WAS THE HVAC UPGRADE, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I'LL LET MR. RAYLEY COME UP AND SPEAK TO THIS.
YEAH, THIS, WHAT YOU SEE IN F 5 24, UH, FOR MR. CARPENTER'S RECOMMENDATION IS ALIGNED.
WHAT I SHARED WITH YOU LAST WEEK AND WAS PRIORITIZED.
I THINK WE WERE TOGETHER IN JANUARY, UH, 3.5 MILLION AT SLAND HIGH SCHOOL WHERE THAT FACILITY IS NOW 20 YEARS OLD AND WE HAVE 1400 STUDENTS AND STAFF THAT OCCUPY THAT SPACE.
AND SO WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT REPLACEMENTS OF H V A C THAT THAT NEED TO BE DONE FOR LIFECYCLE AND THEN BURN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THAT IS ELECTRICAL SWITCH GEAR THAT IS ORIGINAL TO THE SCHOOL.
SO AGAIN, FROM A LIFE SAFETY STANDPOINT, IMPORTANCE REPLACING THAT ELECTRICAL SWITCH GEAR.
SO HOW DO WE GO FROM 5 MILLION, 4 MILLION? HOW IS THAT FUNDED? THAT'S ON THE SEVEN SLIDE.
FY 26 IS OUR OUTLIER HERE WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, LIKE I SAID, WORK CLOSELY WITH THE SCHOOLS.
THEY'RE THE BULK OF OUR FY 26 REQUEST.
UM, AND FIGURE OUT PRIORITIES.
I KNOW WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING GIN ELEMENTARY, IF YOU HAD ALTERNATIVES FOR HIGH SCHOOLS, WHAT DID AND DIDN'T NEED TO HAPPEN? UM, THIS, THIS WOULD BE THE PIE OF THE SKY PLAN, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING SO MUCH FUNDING FOR GIN ELEMENTARY, WE CAN OPT TO DO THIS AT HIGH SCHOOL.
SO ALL OF THOSE ORIGINAL FIGURES ARE STILL INCLUDED IN THE 20 MILLION.
I DON'T THINK FINAL DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE ON
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DOWN BREAKS, WE'LL CALL THEM.BUT UM, YEAH, FY 26 FOR EDUCATION.
SO WHAT I DID IN PREPARING THE FIVE YEAR IS FY 24 IS FULLY BALANCED.
FY 25 THROUGH 28 INCLUDES ALL REQUESTS FROM DEPARTMENTS, WHICH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FY 26, WE CAN GET THERE.
AND AT 26, 20 0.23776, THAT NUMBER, THAT'S NOT ONE PROJECT, RIGHT? THAT'S COLLECTION PROJECTS MOSTLY GOOD HIGH SCHOOL RENOVATIONS.
BUT IT'S, I MEAN DR IS, I GUESS WHAT'S BEHIND THAT 20 MILLION 2 37 68 IS A COMBINATION OF TWO THINGS.
AT GUC HIGH SCHOOL IT'S 17 MILLION 543, 945 FOR THIS 30,000 SQUARE FOOT CTE EDITION.
AND IT'S 2.7 MILLION FOR INTERIOR RENOVATIONS, FINE ARTS SPACES, MUSIC SPACES, AND UH, JUST SOME OTHER RENOVATIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE 2000.
SO MAJORITY IT REALLY IS RELOCATION OF TANK.
NO RENOVATION MIGHT BE BETTER TERM MAINTENANCE.
IS THAT FAIR? WELL, ACTUALLY YEAH.
OH, I THAT'S JUST, THAT'S YOUR RECURRING RECURRING.
I JUST, SO THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY, IT'S NOT AS IF WE DIDN'T DO THE ADDITIONS YOU WOULD LOSE, YOU KNOW, OR IF WE DID DO THE ADDITIONS, YOU WOULD LOSE THE ABOVE LINE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN NO RENOVATIONS LINE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1.2 MILLION AND SOME ADDITIONAL H V C.
SO OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AT THAT COMPLEX, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FACE APPROPRIATELY BASED UPON AGENT EQUIPMENT AND NEED.
SO IS THIS, IS THIS COLOR CODED LIKE THE OTHER ONES? IT'S NOT.
SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING TO MY FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN I HAVE WOULD, WOULD WE, I I DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT IMPROVING SOMETHING.
I'D ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA HOW TO FUND.
AGAIN, I, I KNOW THAT THE, THAT IT'S, IT'S, BUT USUALLY WE HAVE, OH, WE'RE GONNA ISSUE BONDS OR WE HAVE SOME SORT OF PLAN.
ESPECIALLY WE'LL HAVE A NEW BOARD IN 2026.
THEY GO, OH BY THE WAY, HERE YOU GO.
TYPICALLY IN THE PAST WE APPROPRIATE, WE PLAN FOR SECOND YEAR.
WE'VE MADE AT LEAST A FAITH EFFORT ATTEMPT TO BALANCE THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF A FIVE YEAR PLAN.
BUT FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE THAT MIGHT COME AROUND THE CORNER IN SIX OR SEVEN OR EIGHT.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME HERE RECENTLY WITH A NEW COURTHOUSE, NEW GS YES.
FINANCE TRUCK THROUGH THE SNAKE, WHATEVER ANALOGY YOU WANNA USES.
UH, BUT YEAH, THE GES COURTHOUSE, A COUPLE OF FIREHOUSES AND RELOCATION.
THESE ARE MAJOR, MAJOR PROJECTS THAT TAKEN ON IT.
SO THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE SOME, SOME THOUGHT GIVEN THE SMOOTHING OUT SOME, BUT WE DON'T APPROPRIATE FIVE YEARS.
AND THEN WE KNOW THINGS CHANGE YEAR OVER YEAR.
BUT ANOTHER YEAR MORE INFORMATION AND HOW WE GOT THERE, WHAT WE FIND, WHAT THE ARE, HOW MUCH RESOURCES WE HAVE 26 IN JUNE, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.
SO WE DON'T TRY TOO HARD, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE SOME IDEA.
SO NOW WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME FUNDS IN CONDITION TO COVER PUBLIC SAFETY AND SOME FOR SCHOOLS.
UH, AND, AND SO THERE IS SOME CAPACITY THERE.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT UH, AS OUR BUDGET AND INFLATION INCREASES OUR BUDGET, THE GEO BONDS THAT WE DID ISSUE ARE A FIXED PAYMENT FOR 20 YEARS.
NO FLOATING RATE, FIXED PAYMENT FOR 20 YEARS WILL SHRINK AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET AS THE BUDGET GROWS.
SO IF THE BUDGET INFLATION GROWS AT EIGHT TO 10%, THAT CREATES SOME UNUSED CAPACITY AS A PERCENT OF OUR BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE BONDS PERHAPS TO BRING IN ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER SOME OF THIS.
UM, SO I WOULD FOCUS ON THE APPROPRIATION HERE AND THE PLAN HERE AND HAVE SOME IDEA THAT
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IN THE FUTURE WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK FOR SOURCES OR USES THAT MAY HELP US OVERCOME SOME OF THIS.BUT YOU'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A NUMBER THAT YOU CAN'T FUND THREE YEARS.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE LOVED TO BRING UP A COMPLETELY BALANCED FIVE YEARS.
I KNOW THAT'S THE GOAL, BUT WE DO HAVE SO MANY LARGE PROJECTS.
I JUST FELT LIKE WHO ARE VIC AND I TO DECIDE THIS GOES, LET'S KEEP THIS ONE.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN THEY'RE ALL NEEDS FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
SO, UM, I ESPECIALLY THIS 20 MILLION, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT IN FRONT OF YOU AS A REQUEST BY THE SCHOOLS AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
AND THEN I NOTE, I GUESS I'M GUESSING IT WOULDN'T SHOW UP ON C P CAUSE I'M LOOKING THROUGH FAR, WE HAVE A, A LARGE NEED TO, ASSUMING FIRE STATION GETS APPROVED, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR 24 STAFF AND WHAT YEAR IS THAT CHIEF? SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, FY 25 IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, BUT IF IT'S ALL BE COORDINATED WITH WHEN THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE IN, THAT WOULD SHOW OPERATIONS, RIGHT? NOW'S NOT, I'M JUST TRYING TO, CUZ THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER ADDING TO, I I THOUGHT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 26, WHICH FOR ME I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WORKED.
LUCKILY WE DO HAVE IN THE FIRE RESCUE, UM, ORDER FOR FIRE.
CAUSE WHEN WE DO GO TO STAFF THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE APPARATUS.
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? JUST SO IT'S ON RECORD.
WE COULDN'T GET TO THE CTE NOW OR EARLIER CUZ I THINK THAT'S, WE'RE I JUSTM SUCH A FAN? I THINK THE COUNTRY NEEDS IT MORE THAN ANYTHING.
AND MR. SPOONER, THERE'S SOME CALCULUS IN THAT BECAUSE OF THE PRIORITY THAT C HAS PLACED ON CTE THAT WE HAVE LEFT THAT THERE FOR CONSIDERATION.
MANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE PART OF THE BOND HAVE BEEN PUSHED OUT SEVERAL MORE YEARS.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, AUXILIARY GYMNASIUMS AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IMPACTED BECAUSE OF THE PRIORITY OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT'S PLACED ON CTE.
UH, THIS TIME LAST YEAR WAS AN FY 25 REQUEST, BUT DID PUSH IT BACK TO FY 26 JUST CAUSE OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT, A VARIETY OF OTHER FACTORS THAT WE'RE, THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED PUBLICLY.
UH, I WILL SAY BEFORE WE LEAVE THAT THE NEW GEES PROJECT IS REALLY ON A VERY POSITIVE TRAJECTORY RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS TAKEN AN ACTION LAST WEEK AND WE'LL TAKE ACTION AGAIN TONIGHT TO REDUCE THE OVERALL CONTRACT WITH SHAKY AS A RESULT OF DIRECT PURCHASE PROGRAMMING.
AND THEN WE HAD SOME ALLOWANCES THAT WERE BUILT INTO THE SITE PREP.
UH, AND WE ONLY TAPPED IN WITH $5,000 OF THOSE ALLOWANCES.
AND WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT'S LEFT IN THOSE ALLOWANCES.
SO ALTHOUGH WE HAD SOME CHALLENGES ON THE FRONT END WITH THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPING THAT SITE, WE HAVE NOT RUN INTO ROCK.
WE HAVE NOT RUN INTO SOILS THAT ARE CONCERNING TO US.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE IN A VERY POSITIVE PLACE RIGHT NOW WITH CURRENT LEVEL CONSTRUCTION BACK.
JUST TO ADD ONTO MR. SPIN'S COMMENTS, UM, DOES THE CTE EXPANSION FACTOR IN ENHANCEMENTS, MODERNIZATION? I MEAN, LIKE REALLY PRODUCING GRADUATES WHO ARE AT THE LATE AT THE FOREFRONT WITH A NEW FACILITY AND DOING THOSE THINGS? YEAH.
THE VISION THAT WE HAD IN 2017 WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN VISION.
WHEN 2025 DESIGN HAPPENS, I BELIEVE.
OKAY, RIGHT NOW IT'S PRICED AT A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT EDITION.
WE HAVEN'T PROGRAMMED THE SPACE INSIDE BECAUSE OF CHANGES THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE WORKFORCE IN FUTURE YEARS.
COME BACK TO, I MEAN, I SHARE YOUR UNEASINESS WITH HOW THE NUMBERS ROOF REALLY BIG.
A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, THIS CHART LOOKED LIKE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THAT THE 40 MILLION THAT'S IN THE PURPLE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT WAS 15, HAD 15 COVERED MOST OF THAT 20 A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
AND SO THE 15 GOT MOVED FROM THE 20 OVER TO THE GREEN, LEAVING THAT 20 STILL STARING AT US.
BUT WE ALL FEEL IT'S SO IMPORTANT WE ABANDON THE PROPERTY, BUT WE'VE GOT SOMETHING DOWN WE'VE GOTTA WRESTLE WITH.
AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT CAN WE TAKE SOME THAT 2015, UM, BY NOW YOU'RE JUST SHOWING THE 15 AND THE 20 AND IT LEAVES US IN A VERY, YOU KNOW, UNEASY PLACE.
BUT, UM, BUT AGAIN, WE DIDN'T WANNA ABANDON AND WE ALSO DIDN'T WANNA ABANDON GP.
WELL, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS SHOWING AS WE GO THROUGH THESES, WE SEE WHAT'S, WHAT WE SAID IN THIS ROOM A FEW MONTHS AGO.
WE'RE GOING TO BE SAT, WE'RE GONNA BE
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SACRIFICING.BUT THAT'S WHAT THE CITIZEN SAID.
WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED A MILLION MORE DOLLARS TOWARDS THE COURTHOUSE, ANDY, 24.
SO WE'VE PREVIOUSLY FUNDED THE LOCAL DOLLARS ONE AND HALF MILLION.
WE'RE GONNA GIVE ANOTHER MILLION THIS YEAR.
AND THIS FEES A LITTLE BIT FOR THE STUDIES THAT ARE GOING ON.
UM, FY 26 IS WHEN WE'RE SHOWING THE BORROWING OF THE FUNDS AND THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION FROM THE BEGINNING, THOSE LARGER PAYMENTS COMING OUT.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THE ONE AND A HALF MILLION THAT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY FUNDED PLUS THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IN TOTAL 28 MILLION.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE ALL KNOW IT'S PROBABLY GONNA COST HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR.
UM, CAN YOU JUST REFRESH EVERYBODY AS A UNUSED UNSEND AMOUNTS? YES.
FOR PUBLIC, PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS PART OF AND OR THE SCHOOLS.
WE HAD A 96 MILLION AUTHORIZATION OF THE REFERENDUM.
AND IT WAS BROKEN DOWN BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND SCHOOLS.
WE HAD 40.8 ISSUED TO THE SCHOOLS AND 8.2 ISSUED A PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO 40 ISSUED IN SCHOOLS OUT OF 50.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHY NO, WE ONLY, NO, I'M SORRY.
I THINK YOUR WAS YOUR QUESTION.
WAS YOUR QUESTION HOW MUCH WE'VE BORROWED? CAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY ONLY ONLY ACCESSED 50 MILLION.
I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS WITH ME.
THE 96 WAS A PART VALUE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE LEFT.
AND THEN WED 50, RIGHT, WHICH IS BROKEN DOWN ROUGHLY 42 8.
AND OUT THAT 96, THE BREAKDOWN OF SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC SAFETY FROM THE ORIGINAL AUTHORIZATION WAS 60 AND 36.
SO 60 OF THE BOMB REFERENCE FOR, FOR SCHOOLS FOR EDUCATION.
AND OUT OF THAT 60, YOU'VE ONLY ISSUED 42.
SO THERE'S ROUGHLY 18 LEFT TO ISSUE.
WHICH COULD BE AVAILABLE TO COVER THAT 20.
SO THERE'S WHERE THE LINE SHOW BY 20 AND ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE ISSUED EIGHT OUT THE 36 MM-HMM.
AND PLUS OR MINUS PREMIUM NOT BE AVAILABLE SHORTFALL ON.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE EIGHT THAT WAS ISSUED ALREADY FOR THE, UH, FIRE STATION THAT MAY BE CROSSED ON THERE TOO MILLION OR TWO DEPENDING.
UM, AND WE DO STILL HAVE JUST SHORT OF A MILLION FROM OUR PREMIUM TO PUSH TOWARDS THAT, THAT PREMIUM REALLY OUT THERE.
A MILLION OF MAYBE CLOSE, BUT THERE'S A MILLION.
SO THAT EIGHT MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER LITTLE LESS THAN A MILLION.
THERE MAY ANOTHER ROLE OVERRUN OVER THAT.
BUT BOTTOM LINE IS WE'VE GOT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING FROM ALL THOSE PROJECTS AT LEAST IDENTIFIED AS LONG AS COST OF PROJECTS DON'T COME UP, AS LONG AS INTEREST RATES DON'T SKY UP.
AND WE'VE BEEN SMART BY PUTTING LOCAL DOLLARS IN SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE THE PROJECT EVEN BEGAN.
YEAH, THAT, THAT'S GOOD ADVICE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON JUDICIAL? I JUST HAVE ONE REAL QUICK ONE ON THE COURTHOUSE.
IT IS THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE COURTHOUSE BUILDING, BUT THAT DOES ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING.
THE, UM, THE OTHER PLANNING FOR THE TEARING DOWN BUILDINGS, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT GO INTO THE DECISION, AT LEAST WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW.
AND TWO OR THREE YEARS OUT OF 26, WHEN IF PUSH COMES TO SHOVE THERE MAY OR PHASE THAT PRODUCT IN OR NOT, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH AVAILABLE COST CONSTRUCTION IS THAT KINDA THING.
ANYWAY, HERE'S, HERE'S TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION, BUT UM, I KNOW IT'S A FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE PROJECT WITH A LOT OF RELOCATION, A LOT OF, THERE'S LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES AND PARTS TO LAND ACQUISITION.
SO SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BLEED OVER INTO ANOTHER YEAR IF WE NEEDED SOME TIME OR SPACE.
TARA, WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, I NEED TO KNOW WHAT TARA THINKING.
I JUST MAY HAVE BEEN UNDER MIS APPREHENSION,
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BUT I THINK WHEN WE HAD A NUMBER THAT IT, IT WASN'T PARTICULARLY DETAILED.I DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WAS A NUMBER FOR DEMOLITION AND A NUMBER PER SITE AND A NUMBER PER GRADING.
ALL OF THIS IS THE NUMBER, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INCLUDE THIS IS ALL THERE IS TO SPEND.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S AN ESTIMATE THAT INCLUDED ALL OF THAT.
SO I JUST, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, I MEAN IT'S CLEAR THAT'S WHAT THERE IS TO SPEND, BUT I THINK IF YOU WERE LEFT TO THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT'S A DETAILED NUMBER OF ALL THE COMPONENT PARTS.
CAUSE IT IS A COUPLE YEARS OUT, SO IT'S NOT RIGHT.
AND IT'S BEEN, I MEAN WE HAD TO DO THE REFERENDUM AND COME UP WITH A NUMBER SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
SO IT IS A, A GENERIC NUMBER OF AN AMOUNT, BUT IT'S NOT COMPOSED OF KNOWLEDGEABLE EXPENSES.
WE HOPE IT ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID.
SO WHAT SHE SAID, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PIECES, EACH PIECE HASN'T BEEN COSTED OUT THERE.
YOU DO KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF PIECES THAT COULD OR COULD NOT BE PUT.
I ALSO WANNA ADD THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD, UM, WHITE STATION STATION EIGHT AS AN FYI 24 FUNDED PROJECT.
UM, WE PUT IT ON, WE TOOK IT OFF, WE PUT IT ON, WE TOOK IT OFF
UM, IT COULD BE IF, UM, WE'RE RE-LOOKING AT OUR REVENUES RIGHT NOW FOR GENERAL OPERATING FUND.
UM, I THINK OUR INITIAL PROJECTION WAS LOWER THAN WHAT THE ECONOMY IS LOOKING LIKE NOW.
SO WE'RE REEVALUATING THOSE, IF THAT'S A PROJECT THAT WE DO WANT TO FUND.
UM, I DID WANNA MENTION THAT, AND EDDIE CAN GET MORE DETAIL, BUT THE OWNER OF THE PARCEL TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THAT PIECE ON THE MAP WHERE DOGTOWN ROAD AND WHITE HALL ROAD CONNECT, WHERE THE STATION EIGHT WOULD BE, UM, HAS OFFERED THE COUNTY FIRST BID TO THE PIECE OF LAND.
THEY'RE SELLING IT, UH, RIGHT UNDER MARKET, RIGHT AT MARKET VALUE, WHICH IS UNDER $200,000.
IF THAT'S A PURCHASE THAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO MAKE, I THINK NOW WOULD GIVE A TIME TO JUMP ON IT, WHETHER WE DO THE TEMPORARY STATION OR JUST WAIT UNTIL WE BUILD THE BIG, THE BIG STATION IN F Y 29.
SO THAT'S THE PROPERTY WHERE, AT THE CORNER.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE PROPERTY THAT, UH, WOULD BE THE SOUTH ON DOGTOWN ROAD, UH, BROOK HOUSE THAT, THAT JOINS IT ON DOGTOWN ROAD TO THE SOUTH.
WE HAVE TWO PARCELS SOUTHEAST.
RIGHT? WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO, RIGHT? WE HAVE TWO PARCELS.
UH, PRESENTLY WE HAVE THE PARCEL THAT CONTAINS THE BRICK RANCHER AND THEN WE HAVE A PARCEL THAT WE PURCHASE FROM DR.
AND THEY, THE TWO PARCELS CONNECT, BUT THEY DON'T SQUARE UP.
AND THEN TO THE DOWN DOG TOWN, THE ROAD, UM, WE WERE APPROACHED BY THE PROPERTY ON PROPERTY STOPPED BY FIRE RESCUE ADMINISTRATION IN THE FAMILY.
THEY WERE LOOKING TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND HAD ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH WEED TO OFFICE SO THAT HE WOULD BE AWARE OF THAT.
UH, ONE, ONE REASON THAT THAT COULD BE A GOOD IDEA IS WE, YOU'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOME STUDIES ON THE PROPERTY.
WE, WE ENGAGED TIMS, UH, LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD DO SOMETHING TEMPORARY ON THE PROPERTY MM-HMM.
UH, SOME OF THE ROAD IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGED AND WE HAVE, UH, TWO INTERSECTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO BE, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT.
ONE IS DOG TOWN AND WHITE AND THE OTHER IS 5 22 AND WHITE.
AND SO SOME FOLKS THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AT THE INTERSECTION OF WHITE HALL IN 5 22.
HOWEVER, I THINK THAT'S A MAJOR INTERSECTION AND THEY WOULD BE EVEN MORE, UM, LIVE STRIKE SITE TYPE RESTRICTIONS.
SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE FIRE STATION, UH, MAY HAVE TO EXIT OUT TO, UH, DOG KEN ON ROAD IN ORDER TO AVOID THE HILL AND ALSO THEIR CHIEF, THE GREATEST DISTANCE FROM ONE OF THE TWO INTERSECTIONS.
I'M, UNLESS THE TWO INTERSECTIONS.
SO I I DON'T REALLY KNOW FIRMLY THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I WAS SURPRISED WHEN THE STOPPED FIVE ADMIN IN TO SELL THAT, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU WENT, THAT PROPERTY.
THE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FIGURED OUT WITH DOING ANYTHING TEMPORARY AT THE PROPERTY, IF WE WERE TO CONSTRUC A METAL BUILDING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT TO A GARAGE, A FIRE ENGINE, AND IS, IT'S DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW TO POSITION THAT BUILDING SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE IN THE WAY OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THE NEW FIRE STATION ACCORDING TO TENANTS.
THEY, THEY'RE WILLING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT.
BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE IF, IF WE DID ANYTHING TEMPORARY, WE USE THE HOUSE AS LIVING QUARTERS, A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE, THE
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GARAGE OF FIRE ENGINE, AN AMBULANCE, UH, BUT NOT TO IMPEDE THE CON CONSTRUCTION SITE FOR THE NEW FIRE STATION.WE WANTED TO TEAR THAT DOWN AND DIS OPERATIONS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, THE PROPERTY OFFER JUST KIND OF CAME OUR WAY.
UM, SO AS CAR HAS INDICATED, UH, CHANNELED UP TO SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SO GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU THINK WOULD BE A SMART PURCHASE FOR NOW, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT FIREHOUSE IN AL UNTIL, WHAT IS IT, 32, 35? ACTUALLY IT WAS, IT'S BEEN SHOWING UP IN, UH, FY 28.
BUT IT'S NOT ON THIS ONE HERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S Y'ALL'S CHOICE AS TO HOW YOU WANNA DO THAT.
IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN PROVIDE THE BOARD THE, UH, THE INFORMATION ON THE INFORMATION WE COLLECTED WHEN WE WERE CONTACTED ON THE PROPERTY, TAKE A LOOK AT IT, ACREAGE AND SO FORTH OF THE, UH, AREA VIEW OF IT.
IS THERE, IS THERE A LINE ITEM IN HERE? WE HAVE THE MOST CREEK STATION.
WE DON'T HAVE EIGHT JUST FOR THE TEMPORARY STRUCTURE.
IS THAT, I FEEL LIKE IF WE LEAVE, I WANT, I'D LIKE TO, WE, WE HAD IT PLANNED THEN STUFF HAPPENED AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO IT NOW.
BUT I'D LIKE TO, UH, I WOULD OBVIOUSLY PREFER TO HAVE IT ON THERE TO PHASE ONE, DISTRICT TWO.
THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDS AT THIS MEETING.
WE HAVE A LOT OF UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY.
SHE CAN, AND YOU JUST MEAN TO FRONT LOAD KIND OF LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS TO START PUTTING LOCAL FUNDING INTO THAT LINE FOR WHEN WE DO THE WELL OR TO SAY LIKE, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TARGET HAVING A TEMPORARY METAL BUILDING THERE.
UH, JUST THAT WHAT SHE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT IT CREATES AN ISSUE POSSIBLY IS THAT WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN.
UH, THE 9 MILLION WAS SHOWING UP PREVIOUSLY IN LAST YEAR'S CIP 9 MILLION SHOWED UP IN FY 28 FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TIMMONS, UH, SEEMED TO BELIEVE THEY COULD MAKE IT WORK, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE IN THE WAY THAT WE THOUGHT IT COULD WORK.
THE METAL BUILDING WOULD BE FURTHER FROM THE, FROM THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE TODAY.
UM, AND IT'LL BE VERY CLOSE TO THAT PROPERTY LINE THAT ADJOINS THIS OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I, I DON'T KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PRECIPITATED THE, UH, THE CONTACT THE CITIZEN MADE COULD BE THAT THE TIME OF THEIR PERSONAL SITUATION SEEN FOLKS ON THE PROPERTY LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY.
UH, THEY APPROACHED, PURCHASED THE COUNTY AND JUST SAID, HEY, IF YOU WERE FACILITY AT ASSESSMENT VALUE, COULD WE, COULD WE PICK THIS UP AT A TWO BY TWO IN A FUTURE MEETING? IF IT MAKES SENSE? UM, ABSOLUTELY WE SHOULD, I'LL FORWARD YOU THE, UH, PRELIMINARY INFORMATION WE HAVE.
THEN BACK TO YOUR POINT THOUGH, SHOULD WE PUT SOMETHING SOMEWHERE FOR COMPANY EIGHT SOMETHING? RIGHT.
THE TEMPORARY, I MEAN HUNDRED MEAN, I DUNNO.
WE KNOW WE'RE GOING DO SOMETHING THERE.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT, WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT ON THE CIP P WORKED VERY HARD TO, TO GET WHERE WE ARE.
I KNOW, BUT WE ALSO HAVE CITIZENS WHO HAVE AN EXPECTATION CAUSE THERE'S A SIGN UP AND THEY'RE EXPECTING A FIRE STATION LIGHT RULE.
UM, AND ANOTHER EXTRA THOUGHT TO GO WITH THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS IT WAS PULLED FROM FY 24, ASIDE FROM THE REASONS EDDIE SAID IS BECAUSE IT ALSO NEEDS TO COME WITH STAFFING.
SO IT'S A LOT OF ADDITIONAL COSTS ASIDE FROM THE, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
NOT TO SAY WE CAN'T INCLUDE IT.
UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY START, WE COULD DO NOTHING ELSE BUT, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, SHOW SOME MONEY.
IT'S, I IT'S LONGER TERM'S WORD.
I MEAN WE USED THAT WORD EARLIER.
AND IT MAY BE THERE'S SOME RENOVATIONS TO THE HOUSE THAT MIGHT BE DONE OR MAYBE THERE'S, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY, THEY MADE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE A PRETTY, UH, COMPREHENSIVE REPORT THAT THEY PREPARE FOR US, RIGHT, TIM? POSSIBLY RE STATION TWO.
BECAUSE IT'S GOT 80 DEGREES ON THE RIVER INSTEAD.
BUT, BUT THAT RELOCATION, UM, PRESUMABLY RELOCATION WOULD COME WITH
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A WHOLE FIVE STAFFING.SO ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY THE PRESENT, UH, FY 23, CIP P DOES HAVE $400,000 IN THE FILL LAND ACQUISITION FOR CROZIER FIRE STATION TWO, SOMEWHERE DOWN CARDWELL ROAD.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S A PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY PURSUING.
I KNOW THERE'S, UH, A LOCAL REAL ESTATE, UH, AGENT THERE AT THE CROS AREA.
WHO KNOWS THE FOLKS ALONG CARDWELL ROAD WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO PICK THAT UP AND SEE WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT THAT MONEY IS, IS IN THIS YEAR'S, UH, CIP P AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S BEEN DIRECTED.
UM, ADDING SEVEN AND EIGHT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE.
THERE'S A LOT OF STAFF AND FULL-TIME CAREER FIREFIGHTERS.
UM, RELOCATING TOO DOESN'T COME HAVE KINDA DEMAND WITH IT.
SO I LEAVE IT TO YOU TO DECIDE WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE AND WHAT STATIONS? WELL, LET'S SEE.
UM, FIRE STATION TWO EN CROZIER.
I KNOW IT GETS CONFUSING WITH DISTRICT TWO.
I'LL CALL, I'LL START CALLING DISTRICT TWO.
SANDY HOOK THE FIRE STATION TWO ENCLOSURE THAT THE LAND WERE PURCHASED THIS YEAR.
THE ACTUAL MONEY FOR THE FIRE STATION REBUILD ISN'T SHOWING UP UNTIL, UM, FY 30.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT, UH, SO THIS IS NOT SHOWING THE NEW ER, SO THAT'S WHAT SEE IT ON HERE, RIGHT? SO, SO WHAT THIS IS WOULD BE ACTUALLY, UM, STATIONS THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE ONES THAT, THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
AND THAT IS, THESE STATIONS ARE IN OUR 25 YEAR C I P AND HAVE BEEN FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
THERE'S A MATTHEWS ROAD FIRE STATION THERE AT MATTHEWS AND WHITE HALL IN THE VICINITY OF THAT LOCATION AS WELL AS, UH, SOMETHING IN THE, THE OILVILLE AREA.
WE FULLY EXPECT THE OILVILLE AREA TO DEVELOP AND REQUIRE CLOSER SERVICES.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE ONE THAT'S THE FURTHEST OUT IS THE ROCK CASTLE, UH, FIRE STATION, WHICH, WHICH YOU ALL IS A VERY RURAL IN THE COUNTY, PROBABLY BE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME INTERNET TO CHANGE EVERYTHING.
BUT THE, THE LAND $400,000 FOR LAND ACQUISITION ISN'T THIS, THIS YEAR'S, UH, THE FY 23 C P.
SO POSSIBLY, YEAH, POSSIBLY THAT COULD BE CARRY OVER.
IF, UH, IF WE DIDN'T FIND IT'D BE, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU WANT TO USE THAT TO BUILD A FACILITY AT, AT WHITE HALL? WELL, UM, I THINK, I THINK IT'S ALL MAPPED OUT AND IT, IT'S ONE NEED IS IS AS GREAT AS THE OTHER.
UM, YOU FIGURED THERE, BUT YOUR BUT YOUR CARD WERE ON ROAD WAS FURTHER DOWN THAN, THAN, UH, SANDY HOOK.
AND THAT WAS EXACTLY, UH, MR. CARPENTER'S POINT WHEN HE SAW THAT HE THOUGHT MAYBE THAT POINT A THOUSAND COULD, COULD BE USED TO, TO ASSIST WITH SOME OTHER PROJECT THAT'S UPON US AS OPPOSED TO, I THINK THE TIMING OF, UH, OF LAND.
IT'S JUST SIMPLY GONNA BE CENTER AROUND TIME.
AND IF YOU FIND THE RIGHT PIECE OF LAND, THE RIGHT, UH, SELLER AND, AND FOR THE RIGHT AMOUNT.
BUT, BUT YOU SAID WE'RE NOT REALLY ACTIVELY NOT SURE HOW ACTIVELY NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
NO MORE THAN THE WORD OF MOUTH THAT'S OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, UNION MEMBERS ARE AWARE, BUT THERE'S NO, UM, THERE'S NO BROKER OR, OR THERE'S NO REAL ESTATE GROUP THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT'S ACTIVELY PURSUING PROPERLY.
YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, I'M JUST MR. JEFF, JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE, BUT, UM, RATHER THAN DIVE TOO DEEP INTO YOUR CURRENT PLAN, I BELIEVE YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PLAN.
WE HAVE TO GIVE BIRTH TO THAT.
THAT'S 200,000 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, AND IF I'M PUTTING TWO AND TWO TOGETHER, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT PARCEL IS STRATEGIC.
I MEAN, FROM WHAT YOU SAID THAT IT WOULD APPEAR, IT IS BASED ON WHAT WE DO TODAY.
PROPERTY, I THINK COUNTY ADMINISTRATION MAKE THE OFFER CLOSE IT, DO ALL THAT.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A MOTOR OR ANYTHING WE DO TO APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS.
COULD THEY MAKE AN OFFER TO GET A POSITION ON IT SO THAT AN OFFER CAN BE MADE WITHOUT BOARD ACTION WITHOUT FIVE MEMBER OF ACTION? OKAY, SIR.
I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD ON IN TERMS OF SOMEBODY WANTING, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SIT ON IT FOR TWO BOARD MEETINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I'LL MAKE SURE I SEND THAT TO YOU AT CONCLUSION AS WELL AS THE, UH, TENANT REPORT AND, AND IDEALLY IF THAT PURCHASE WOUNDS
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UP SAVING US MONEY BECAUSE OF ENGINEERING AND, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT HAVING TO BE HUGE IN OUR DECISION.THE TWO INTERSECTIONS IS KIND WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION REQUIRED, WHICH MEANS IS THE, THE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE OTHER.
AS FAR AS THE, UH, FIRE RESCUE CFP BEYOND THE LARGE, UH, BUILDING PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, THE MONEY THAT FOR MONEY IN RC P IS WITHIN, WITH APPARATUS AND BACK TO THE BUILDING PROJECT.
SO CAUSE OF INFLATION AND CAUSE OF THE, UH, THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, WE'VE BECOME TO REALIZE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NUMEROUS INCLUDE APPARATUS.
AND SO ONCE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD, NOW WE KNOW IT PROBABLY IS, IS UNDERFUNDED TO INCLUDE APPARATUS.
SO WE HAVE THE APPARATUS AND THEIR CIP P TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS, UH, FIRE STATION SEVEN AND EIGHT AS WELL AS, UH, THE AGING PLEA OF APPARATUS.
AND I'LL START WITH, UH, THE AMBULANCES.
UH, WE USUALLY MAINTAIN A PLEA OF NOT 10 AMBULANCES.
WE ONE OUT CAUSE OF AGE AND MAINTENANCE COSTS.
WE'RE HOPING TO GET THAT BACK UP TO 10, 10 AMBULANCES.
BUT EVEN WITH THE NEW AMBULANCES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED RECENTLY, WHICH HAVE REALLY MADE A HUGE IMPACT, THE AVERAGE MILEAGE PER VEHICLE PER AMBULANCE IS STILL 90,000 MILES.
AND THE AVERAGE AGE PER VEHICLE IS JUST STILL UNDER JUST FIVE YEARS OLD.
AND SO LOOKING AT THE WEST CREEK STATION, WE NEED AN AMBULANCE IN POTENTIALLY SANDY HOOK AND WE REPLACEMENT UNITS AND WE HAVE, UH, ONE AMBULANCE, UH, IN THE CIP PER YEAR.
THE SAME THING CAN BE SAID, UH, ABOUT FIRES.
AND OF COURSE THE FIRE ENGINE IS, UH, IS IS QUITE A BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE, THAN THE AMBULANCE IS.
AND WE HAVE A 12% INFLATION FACTOR THAT GOES FROM YEAR TO YEAR BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE BEING TOLD BASED ON TODAY'S INFLATION NUMBERS.
AND IF THAT CHANGES FOR THE BETTER, THEN WE TWO, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
UM, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, LOOKING AT OUR FIRE ENGINES.
UM, WE HAVE ONE FIRE ENGINE THAT WAS PURCHASED NEW IN 2001 AND WE HAVE FIVE THAT WILL PURCHASE NEW IN 2006 AND ANOTHER IN 2008.
AND WE DO HAVE A FIRE ENGINE THAT WE ARE RECEIVING, UH, NEXT MONTH THAT WILL COVER ONE OF THOSE FIRE ENGINES THAT WAS, UH, REPLACED, THAT WAS BROUGHT NEW IN 2006.
AND WE DON'T PLAN TO GET RID OF ANY FIRE ENGINES CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A RESERVE FLEET WHEN WE FIND OURSELVES QUITE OFTEN, UH, STRAINED BECAUSE, UH, TOO MANY ENGINES ARE IN THE SHOP AT ONE TIME BEYOND CONTROL.
AND SO THAT'S OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THE ENGINES.
WE HAVE HAVE A COUPLE OF RESERVE ENGINES AND SO WE HAVE, UH, THE FIRE ENGINES, UH, IN THERE GOING FORWARD.
THERE ARE TANKERS, UH, FIRE TANKERS, UH, IN, IN THE BUDGET AS WELL.
UH, ALL BUT ONE OF OUR TANKERS WILL PURCHASE NEW IN 2002, UH, TANKER IS THE, UM, PROBABLY OF, OF THE VEHICLES IN THE FIRE SERVICE IN GENERAL.
THE TANKER IS, IS THE ONE THAT CARRIES THE MOST LOAD OF WATER, UH, AND ALSO CAN BE THE MOST DANGEROUS CAUSE OF BRAKES AND SUSPENSION AND SO FORTH.
SO WE DID PURCHASE ONE NEW TANKER EXCEPT STATION FIVE.
WE HAVE ANOTHER NEW TANKER ON ORDER THAT WE SHOULD GET IN THE SUMMER OF 24.
AND THIS WOULD ADDRESS, UH, TWO OF THE, OF THE REMAINING, UH, FOUR TANKERS THAT ALSO WERE PURCHASED IN 2000, UH, TWO.
UH, BEYOND THAT IN THE CIP P UH, SOME THINGS THAT, THAT WE, WE NO LONGER HAVE IN THERE.
WE DON'T, WE NO LONGER HAVE THE FIRE LIFE SAFETY HOUSE.
UH, THAT WAS A ROUGHLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ITEM FOR FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY EDUCATION FOR THE CHILDREN.
UH, WE'LL LOOK FOR OTHER WAYS TO FUND THAT, UH, POSSIBLY GRANTS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT HELP WITH WITH THAT.
AND THE OTHER IS, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN VERY, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD TO US AT THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER.
AND THEN WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE AND FORWARD WITH THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER THINKING THAT WHAT'S, UM, WHAT'S BEEN AWARDED AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
WE GET THAT BACK CONDITION THE NEXT HOWEVER MANY YEARS IT ENDS UP BEING BEFORE FIRE AND CLASSROOMS AND THE WHOLE YES, SIR.
THE, OUR CLASSROOM IS ON ORDER.
IT'LL BE BE HERE IN APRIL AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SECURING THE FIRE STRUCTURE.
FIRMED UP, BEEN THROUGH MANY LEVELS OF APPROVAL OF RED TAPE IN THE STATE THAT WE ARE GOOD ON THE THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT DAY HERE.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO, UM, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ITEMS YOU SEE, I SEE IT, I SEE A LADDER REPLACEMENT IN 2033 DOES SAY, BUT I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE, IS IT STATION ONE? IS IT NOT? BUT THAT'S CONSIDERABLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A, UH, ENGINE REPLACEMENT.
BUT, UM, DO WE, IS THAT CONTENT? WOULD WE NEED ONE AT WEST CREEK? THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TO.
UH, I THINK WE NEED ONE IN THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY.
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THAT THE LADDER POSITIONED AT FIRE STATION ONE IN MANNEQUIN CAN SERVE THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY.WE PLAN TO OPERATE WITH THE SECOND LADDER, UH, IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA.
WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A LADDER IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA SINCE 1993.
AND THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE ON ORDER AND WE'LL RECEIVE A LADDER IN AUGUST OF 2024 THAT REPLACED THE 1993 LADDER TRUCK TO THE COURTHOUSE.
SO THAT WENT IN A PREVIOUS BUDGET.
IT WAS ORDERED, UH, LAST APRIL, LAST MAY.
AND SO THE THOUGHT IS IS THAT LOOKING AT ALL THE, OUT TO FY 33 AT THAT POINT, IF WE, IF THE ECONOMY'S GOOD AND THE COUNTY'S FINANCIAL POSITION IS GOOD, WE COULD REPLACE, UM, ONE OR THE OTHER.
BUT WE WOULD ACTUALLY GET, GAIN A RESERVE LADDER TRUCK AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
BUT I, I DON'T SEE, UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS INSTRUCTED IN THE WESTERN COUNTY THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF TODAY, I FEEL LIKE THE TWO LADDERS WILL, WILL SERVE COUNTY WELL FOR ANY HAVE QUESTIONS.
THAT'S OUR PROPERTY MADE FOR EDUCATION.
WE'D LIKE TO THANK MRS CA, WHO'S AN EXTRAORDINARY JOB WITH THIS.
WE HAVE THIRD, HOW WE DOING ON TIME? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE FUNDING SITUATION, HOW THAT DISCUSSION GOES.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THROUGH.
UM, WE'VE GOT IT SHERIFF, WHICH IS VERY SMALL, AND UTILITIES IF WE WANT KEEP ROLLING THE WAY WE'RE PLEASE.
UM, ALL OF IT IS ROUTINE, UM, UPKEEP.
UM, THERE'S REALLY NO NEW EXCITING PROJECTS.
RANDY HAD REQUESTED A FEW THAT GOT NIXED, UNFORTUNATELY, I WON'T SAY NIX, I'LL SAY PUSHED OUT.
UM, BUT YEAH, I'LL LET HIM GO WITH THIS ONE.
I GOT, AS WAS INSTRUCTED, KEEP A LEAN.
SO REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT 24 WAS THE NETWORK EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT UPGRADE LINE ITEM.
WE WENT TO 1 75 AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE WERE NOTIFIED BY CISCO THAT TWO OF OUR CORE ROUTERS, THE BRANDS OF OUR NETWORK, THE ONE HERE TO ADMIN AND ONE ATCC ARE IN THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE REALLY, IF WE DON'T REPLACE THEM, WE CAN'T GET, THAT'S EVERYTHING ELSE, LIKE SHE SAID, GOT PUSHED OUT TO TREE WAS A REQUEST THAT CAME FROM THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE ORIGINALLY.
AND THEN YOU GUYS GOT INVOLVED IN SOME OTHER COUNTY DEPARTMENTS, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE.
WE HAD A VENDOR IN AND WE WERE GONNA ASK LOOKING THIS YEAR, BUT WE PUSH IT OUTTA HERE TRYING TO KEEP, IT'S UH, IT'S WHERE THEY, THEY COME IN AND THEY FLY TO THE COUNTY TO GET IMAGERY AND WE GET THAT FROM THE STATE THROUGH CERTAIN COSTS FOR FREE OR CERTAIN LEVEL FOR FREE.
AND THEN WE PAY SOME UPGRADES AND THAT'S IN THERE TOO.
BUT OPTOMETRY DOES WHAT'S CALLED A SITE VIEW, LIKE FAMILIAR WITH GOOGLE STREET VIEW.
IT WOULD HAVE A LOT APPLICATION FOR THE COUNTY.
AS FOR THE ASSESSMENT I HAVE, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE.
WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP RECURRING FEES.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY OF THESE CISCO ROUTERS DO WE HAVE? KEY PART YOU HAVE TWO.
WE HAVE TWO MAIN WITH WHAT WE CALL OUR CORE ROUTERS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER SWITCHES AND SMALLER ROUTERS IN ALL NETWORK SITES.
BUT OUR TWO MAIN ONE ARE FOR, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE BIG ROUTERS THAT TAKE UP MULTIPLE, UH, RACKSPACE THAT HAVE, UH, BLADES.
AND LIKE I SAID, THEY, THEY HAVE SOME REDUNDANCY IN 'EM AND HAVE REDUNDANT POWER SUPPLIES AND WE KEEP SPARE BLADES AROUND.
BUT, BUT YOU, YOU HAVE TWO MAIN ONES.
AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE END OF LIFE.
WE HAVE OVER 70 OR 80 SWITCHES AND ROUTERS AROUND THE COUNTY, TONY.
BUT NONE ARE, NONE ARE GONNA TOUCH THE AMOUNT OF COST THAT THESE TWO, BUT THESE TWO DO.
WE KEEP THE 25,000 PER YEAR TO REPLACE THE SMALLER SWITCHES AND ROUTERS AS THEY BECOME IN THE LIFE OR THEY BREAK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR A NEW ROUTER? HOW MANY, HOW MANY YEARS DO THEY, WE'VE GOTTEN, I LOOKED IT UP BEFORE IT CAME TO THIS MEETING THAT, THAT THOSE TWO ROUTERS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE NINE YEARS AGO.SO THIS WILL BE THE 10TH YEAR AND THAT'S ABOUT THE LIFE CYCLE THAT CISCO WILL DO SUB ON BEFORE THEY SAY THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING ON ANYMORE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA KEEP MAINTENANCE ON, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO FIRM UPGRADES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I GUESS IS YOUR 25,000 A YEAR IN THE FUTURE, DOES THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT YOUR ANTICIPATED ANTICIPATING END OF LIFE OF SOME OF THESE OTHER ROUTERS? I DON'T KNOW THAT I PUT IN FY 34 THAT WE MAY NEED TO REPLACE THE TWO QUARTER ROUTERS AGAIN, BUT, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL THE OTHERS BECAUSE THE SMALLER ONES HAVE END OF LIFE TOO.
BUT THAT 25 COVERS COVERS EVERYTHING.
BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LOTER THAN, SO NOW WE WERE LOOKING OUT TO WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, UM, UH, A NEW ACCOUNTING SYSTEM FOR TREASURER.
UH, DOES THAT ANY OF THAT GO INTO YOUR BUDGET? THAT'S A DIFFERENT LINE.
BUT I'M NOT SURE WHERE, I THINK IT WOULD COME OUTTA YOUR BUDGET.
MAY BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE EITHER.
I DON'T SEE IT UNLESS IT'S IN OPERATING, WHICH IT SHOULDN'T BE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I MEAN I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUITE SURE.
I KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THE PROJECT, BUT MAYBE WE HAVE IT.
WE'RE WE STILL HAVE IT QUITE STORED IN MAYBE OR WE PUT THE
UM, WE HAVE TEAM BETWEEN MYSELF, UM, REVENUE TREASURER, WE'VE GOTTA NARROWED DOWN, WE GOTS BACK.
THAT WAS BACK IN ON THE STREET.
WE'VE BEEN EVALUATING THOSE BIDS.
WE'VE GOTTEN MARRIED DOWN TO ONE VENDOR NOW.
WE'VE HAD FOUR PEOPLE RESPOND.
UM, WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO CIP P WHEN WE SWITCHED TO TYLER MUNIS AND WE CAME AWAY UNDER BUDGET THEN.
AND THAT MONEY IS STILL SITTING IN THAT LINE FOR NEW SOFTWARE.
WE'RE DEPARTMENT IS THAT IT'S IN RANDY'S BUDGET, BUT IT'S A PREEXISTING LINE THAT ROLLS FOR YEAR TO YEAR.
DID TALK ABOUT THAT A A WHILE AGO.
SO, SO, SO YOU DOWN TO ONE, ASSUMING EVERYBODY AGREES, UH, THEN WE'LL SIGN CONTRACT WITH THEM AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BY APRIL 15TH, I BELIEVE.
BASED ON 20 DAYS FROM WHEN WE GOT THE HAVE 15TH, THEN WE START TALKING UNLESS WE AGREE AND WE'LL THEN START WAR.
IS THAT LIKE A TWO YEAR PROJECT DO YOU THINK? OR, I MEAN JUST, I'M, I'M, I SEND 12 TO 18 MONTHS.
SHERIFF'S OFFICE, MAJOR EAST WANTS TO COME UP AND TALK, BUT IF THERE'S VERY LITTLE ASIDE THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT, THERE IS A BIG PROJECT OF A MOBILE COMMAND POST, WHICH WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, UM, EMERGENCIES WHERE THEY NEED TO BE OUT ABOUT 5,000 NEXT YEAR.
THAT WOULD BE A PART OF WEST CREEK, WOULD IT NOT? OR SEPARATE? IT'S GONNA BE, I'M A TRAILER.
BUT, SO RIGHT NOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE A, A HORSE TRAILER WE USE FOR THAT.
AND UH, WE FOUND, UM, ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO THAT WORK THAT, SO WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING A LARGER VEHICLE FOR, FOR US AS WELL AS FIRE RESCUE USE MAJOR OPERATIONS.
I THINK THIS TALK REALLY KIND OF TOOK OFF.
WE HAD TO PROTEST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, TWO YEARS AGO THAT WE NEEDED SOMEWHERE TO, TO OPERATE FROM.
THAT'S NOT ALWAYS IN THE SAME LOCATION WITH THE EOC OR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UM, SO THIS KIND TOOK FORM WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, GOING THAT ROUTE.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THIS GLOBAL AND FIXED CURRENT, IS THERE, WHEN HE IS BEING IDENTIFIED IN THE FUTURE FOR FIXED PRESENCE WITH, UH, THE FIREHOUSE, THE DISCUSSION IS WHEN THE WEST STREET FIRE STATION, I KNOW WE'RE STILL WORKING, BE A JOINT VENTURE WITH FIRE RESCUE TO, TO BUILD SOME SORT OF PUBLIC SAFETY WING ON THERE FOR, FOR US TO WORK OUT OF.
UM, BUT AGAIN, AS WE ALWAYS SAY, OUR OUR GUYS WORK OUT THEIR, THEIR CAR IS THEIR OFFICE AND THEY CARRY EVERYTHING THEY NEED IN THEIR CAR TO WHEN THEY RESPOND TO IT TO A HOUSE, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BRING THEIR OFFICE TO YOUR HOUSE CALL HELP.
BUT WE DO WANT TO HAVE A LOCATION THAT
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WHERE SOMEBODY CAN COME AND, AND, UH, MEET AN OFFICER FOR, UH, FOR A CHAT OR, OR UH, INTERVIEW OR WHATEVER MAKES SENSE, FILL PAPERWORK RESTROOM.BUT IS THAT GONNA THERE BUD? SHE'S GOOD NEIGHBORS.
THAT'S THE SHERIFF CHIEF CONVERSATION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME FOR OUT.
I MEAN REALLY WE JUST NEED SPACE.
AS LONG AS WE HAVE SPACE OCCUPY INSIDE THE BUILDING AND WE KIND OF ALREADY SHARE SOME SPACE IN COMPANY SIX AND IN OUR CONNECTION WE'VE SEEN IT OFF ONE OR LESS.
SO I THINK FOR THE, UH, THE ONE DOWN WEST STREET, WE MIGHT DO A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH SEE BUILT OUT YET, BUT, AND THINK ABOUT FUEL YOU, THIS CONVERSATION WILL BE ANY QUESTIONS GOT VEHICLES, UM, HAS DONE THE INFLATION FACTOR EXCEPT FOR GENERAL SERVICES.
I SAW THE SAME THING MR. PETERSON BROUGHT UP.
UNLESS YOU ARE BUYING THOSE VEHICLES.
UM, THERE IS DISCUSSION, UM, WITH SCOTT AND MR. CARPENTER.
I HAVEN'T SAT IN ON THIS YET, BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE.
UM, IF WE GET DOWN THE ROAD WITH THIS, THEY'RE LOOKING AT LEASING VEHICLES, WHICH MAY COME WITH A CALL SAVINGS.
I MEAN THERE WILL STILL BE INFLATION.
WELL, WE'LL NEED TO BUILD THAT IN IF YOU'RE BUYING THE SAME NUMBER.
CAUSE I WAS WATCHING TO SEE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS, KNOWS HOW THAT, JUST TO BE CONSISTENT.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT BALANCED IN THOSE OUT YEARS, BUT DON WE ALL BE CONSISTENT AND IN CASE ANYBODY IS LISTENING TO THIS, BESIDES YOU ALL, CAUSE YOU ALL KNOW THIS, UTILITIES IS NOT GENERAL FUND MONEY.
THIS IS, THEY RAISE THEIR OWN MONEY, THEY FUND THEIR OWN PROJECTS AND I'LL LET MATT SPEAK ON THOSE.
WELL, THE, UH, THE HIGHLIGHT OF OUR C I P IS OBVIOUSLY NEXT YEAR IS FULLY FUNDED ALREADY.
SO, UM,
UM, WE PUSHED TWO PROJECTS WE HAD FOR FOUR AND FIVE.
SO, UH, JUST WAITING FOR SOME OF OUR, UH, CASH FLOWS TO CATCH UP.
WHAT FUNDS OUR, OUR CIP P FUND IS CONNECTION FEES.
SO AS PEOPLE CONNECT TO THE SYSTEM, DEVELOPERS OR WHOEVER PAID CONNECTION FEES DOES GO DIRECTLY TO OUR CIP FUND.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM.
EVERY YEAR WE TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT THIS.
UH, THE MAJORITY OF THESE PROJECTS COME FROM OUR MASTER PLAN.
UH, SO NEXT YEAR WE'LL START THE, UH, SECOND UPDATE OF THE MASTER PLAN.
SO DON'T BE SURPRISED THAT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS GET JUGGLED AS SOME OF THE NEEDS.
UH, WE KIND OF GET SWITCHED AROUND, UH, AS THE COUNTY'S GROWN IN THE PAST, UH, FEW YEARS SINCE OUR LAST BASKET PLAN UPDATE.
SO, UH, BUT THAT'S CURRENTLY WHERE WE STAND.
I GUESS I'LL THANKS THE, UH, UPGRADE TO THE W THAT'S THE, UH, CORRECTIONS FACILITY, UH, UH, SEWER TREATMENT.
THAT, THAT'S A GRAVITY SEWER LIVE THAT GOES DOWN TO CORRECTIONS FACILITY.
OKAY, LET ME BACK UP A SECOND.
UM, IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS AROUND SOME FAIRLY SIZABLE NUMBERS THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO UPGRADE OUR CAPACITY AND THE NUTRIENT ADDITIONS AND TO THAT SURGE TREATMENT PLANT SO THAT WE COULD UPGRADE OUR CAPACITY AND WE COULD USE, AND THOSE WERE SOME FAIRLY LESS SIZEABLE NUMBERS.
THOSE FIVE, 10 MILLION, THOSE AREN'T ANYWHERE HERE OBVIOUSLY.
UH, ARE, IS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT OF THE FUTURE OR CAUSE THEY'RE SEPARATELY CONSIDERED FROM THIS OR WHAT? I MEAN, WHERE ARE THOSE? SO THAT'S KIND OF TWOFOLD.
SOME OF THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS DONE.
UH, I BELIEVE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ER FROM LIKE IN 2016, UH, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT TIMEFRAME.
SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS WERE USING, UH, ANTICIPATED SEWER DEMANDS, UH, THAT WERE EVENTUALLY CLAWED BACK A LITTLE BIT WITH ANOTHER MASTER PLAN UPDATE AS THE SERVICE AREA OF THE COURTHOUSE GOT BETTER DEFINED.
UH, SO THE PROJECTED DEMANDS, UH, THAT WAS BEING DONE IN THAT PR AND JUST CLARIFY, THE PR IS A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT, UM, ARE NO LONGER BEING PLANNED FOR, UH, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A MORE DEFINED SERVICE AREA.
NOW WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW
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THE COURTHOUSE AREA AREAS GROWING.UM, SO THAT'S, UH, ONE REASON, UH, THOSE NUMBERS WILL CALL BACK A LITTLE BIT.
UH, BECAUSE THOSE ANTICIPATED FUTURE DEMANDS WERE REDUCED, UH, WE DETERMINED WE COULD, UH, GENERALLY SERVE THE COURTHOUSE AT LEAST END THE UTILITY MASTER PLAN PLANNING PERIOD, UH, BY THE CAPACITY, UH, THE POTENTIAL FULL BUILDOUT CAPACITY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE CURRENTLY UNDERTAKING PHASE ONE.
UH, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S WHAT WAS FUNDED, UH, IN A PREVIOUS YEAR.
UM, FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT WAS RIGHT AROUND 2 MILLION.
THAT'S ALREADY BEEN, UH, UH, UH, APPROPRIATED TO PART OF CORRECTIONS.
THEY'VE GOT THAT PROJECT UNDERWAY.
UH, PHASE ONE WILL INCREASE OUR CAPACITY FROM 136,000 GALLONS A DAY TO 180,000 GALLONS A DAY.
SO, SO PHASE TWO IS ESSENTIALLY OUTFITTING ANOTHER REACTOR AND THAT'S A MUCH LESS COST, UH, BECAUSE PHASE ONE IS REALLY BUILDING THE FOUNDATION FOR PHASE TWO, WHICH IS THE MORE EXPENSIVE PART.
SO, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A COST FOR PHASE TWO YET, BUT IT SHOULD BE LESS THAN SEVEN FIGURES.
UH, SO, BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW, PHASE TWO BECAUSE OF, OF PERMITTING LIMITATIONS WITH WASTEWATER, UH, THE DSE DOESN'T CURRENTLY WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH PHASE TWO CAUSE THE CAPACITY'S JUST NOT GETTING NEEDED.
BUT WHAT IT IS NEEDED, UH, THE, THE PHASE ONE IS BEING DESIGNED, IT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW TO WHERE ALL THEY'LL NEED TO DO IS BRING EQUIPMENT OUT TO.
SO THAT THOSE ST KINDA NUMBERS ARE, THEY WENT AWAY A COUPLE YEARS.
AND THEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AS WELL, BUT SINCE WE ARE ALMOST TOTALLY RELIANT ON THAT TREATMENT PLAN, WE DON'T HAVE OUR OWN.
THEN THEY EVER, FOR WHATEVER REASON DECIDED TO CLOSE THAT PRISON.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT PASSING.
SO WE HAVE SOME AGREEMENTS, WE NEED SOME AGREEMENTS WITH THEM.
WE HAVE SEVERAL MO WITH THE D AND WE'VE WORKED THAT LANGUAGE IN WHERE WE'LL HAVE BASICALLY PRICE THE PURPOSE ASSETS.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK I SUPPOSED TO END AT THREE, CORRECT? YES, WE JUST THREE 30.
LOOKING AT FUNDING THESE PROJECTS.
IT'S BALANCED, FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
WE GOT A LOT OF DEBT, UH, EVERYTHING.
THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES THAT GO INTO FUNDING FY 24, BUT EVERYTHING IS LISTED DOWN HERE.
THE BIG PIECE IS THE GES FUNDING.
UM, WE'VE HAD, WE LOOKED REALLY HARD AT PRIOR YEAR C I P PROJECTS THAT WERE FUNDED AND SOME CAME IN UNDER BUDGET, SOME NEVER HAPPENED.
WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP BEFORE UNDER 81,000 WE CAN PUT TOWARDS THESE BIG PROJECTS.
UM, NOW 25 THROUGH 28, IF YOU FOCUS ON THAT GENERAL FUND TRANSFER LINE 12,000,025 AND 27 AND THEN 14,000,028, WE HAVE TYPICALLY BEEN GIVING ABOUT 5 MILLION, FIVE TO 6 MILLION A YEAR.
UM, SO THAT IS A LITTLE HIGHER.
BUT ALSO OUR REVENUES ARE, WE'RE PROJECTING A LOT HIGHER REVENUES THAN FY 24.
UM, ALL THIS TO SAY WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR GRANTS, WE NEED TO USE OUR PROFFERS WHERE WE CAN ON CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT'S NOT ALLOCATED DOWN BELOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THOSE FIGURES JUST YET.
UM, ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVE WILL LOWER OUR GENERAL, GENERAL FUND TRANSFER.
BUT UM, YEAH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE DO QUARTERLY PROJECTIONS WITH THOSE.
WE LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE WITHIN OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES AND WE TAKE THIS CIP P PLAN YEAR BY YEAR WITH FUNDING AND WE WOULD NEVER PUT A PLAN THAT YOU ARE, UM, EXPECTED TO APPROVE, LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, WITH A $12 MILLION, UM, TRANSFER FOR GENERAL FUND.
BUT, UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE WILL REQUIRE THAT.
I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH OTHER FUNDING JUST LIKE WE DID FOR FY 24, ALL OF THIS.
SO, SO 5.9 MILLION FUND RESERVE RESERVES, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE LAST YEARS? YES.
AND I HAVE PUT TOGETHER, I KNOW THIS MIGHT MAKE EVERYONE A LITTLE UNEASY, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO TOUCH ON, UM, SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT
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FY 25 THROUGH 28, THAT DOES REQUIRE 64 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND RESERVES.BUT UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY DO RETURN A PRETTY HEFTY SURPLUS EACH YEAR.
I'M PREDICTING OVER 5 MILLION FOR FY 23 THAT WILL DUMP BACK INTO GENERAL FUND.
OUR LAST THREE YEARS WERE AN FY 22, A LITTLE OVER 6 MILLION.
BEFORE THAT WAS 3.4 MILLION AND 2.4 MILLION.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, WE'RE GONNA KEEP ALL OF OUR POLICIES IN MIND AND WE MAY HAVE TO CUT SOME OF THESE YEAR BY YEAR AND REPRIORITIZE RE-LOOK AT EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD WHAT WE'RE DOING AND KEEP OUR GENERAL FUND RESERVES AT A HEALTHY LEVEL.
UM, SO IN LOOKING AT THE 28 MILLION THAT WE NEED TO BORROW, I DO THINK WE'RE GONNA STAY BELOW OUR DEBT POLICY, OUR DEBT RATIO POLICY.
UM, THE GREEN IS SHOWING THE, THIS INCLUDES THE GEO BONDS.
THIS IS SHOWING THE DEBT WE HAVE OUTSTANDING CURRENTLY THAT'S PAID FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THE ORANGE WOULD INCLUDE, UM, THE NEW DEBT.
BUT OF COURSE THIS IS FROM A, THIS IS FROM AN AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE THAT WE RAN OURSELVES.
IT'S ASSUMING A 7% BORROW RATE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BORROWING RATE WILL BE.
UM, IT'S ASSUMING A SEMI-ANNUAL, UH, PAYMENT OF INTEREST ONCE A YEAR PRINCIPLE OVER 20 YEARS.
AND WHAT THAT DOES IS PUT US IN FY 27, WHICH WOULD BE THAT FIRST INITIAL PRINCIPLE PAYMENT.
IT PUTS US RIGHT UP UNDER OUR 10% GOAL.
ASSUMING WE NEEDED TO BORROW ADDITIONAL DEBT, WE DO STILL HAVE A LITTLE RING FOR THAT SMIDGE A SMIDGEN FOR THE SCHOOL PROJECTS POSSIBLY OR ANY OTHER LARGE PROJECTS THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO BORROW FOR.
IS POLICY, IS POLICY EFFECTIVELY THE AAA RATING OR HOW DO WE, I MEAN IT SEEMS, GIVEN WHERE WE PROJECT REVENUES TO GO, IT, IT FEELS LIKE THE ABSOLUTE DOLLAR AMOUNTS IN THE GRAPH THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER ARE NOT BLEEDING OR YOU KNOW, THE COFFERS SO TO SPEAK.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM A LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE WHAT, UH, THOUGHTS TO MAINTAIN AAA ALL ARE AND WHERE, WHERE THOSE BARRIERS ARE.
UM, THOSE ARE ALL GREAT QUESTIONS I'M TRYING TO ANSWER SUNDAY HERE.
UM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I THINK VIRGINIA HAS MOREA THAN ANY STATE BECAUSE VIRGINIA'S A STATE IS FOR, IF THE STATE'S NOT TRIPLE A, IT'S HARD FOR COUNTY TO GET.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE STATE KEEPS THAT TRIPLE A, BUT, BUT WITHIN VIRGINIA, SOME OFA LIKE FAIRFAX WITH BILLION DOLLAR SCHOOL BUDGET AND ANOTHER BILLION DOLLAR GOVERNMENT BUDGET, UM, THEY PAY FOR TWO OR THREE SCHOOLS OUT, UH, COINS AND THE CUSHION.
WHEREAS A COUNTY LIKE OURS OF YOUR SCHOOL IS A MAJOR 20 YEAR UNDERTAKE.
SO NOMINAL DOLLARS MAY BE THE SAME.
I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING IS THE LARGER YOU ARE, THE BIGGER YOUR BUDGET IS.
ANY ONE FACILITY STRUCTURE VEHICLE IS THE SMALLER YOU ARE, THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF YOUR BUDGET YOU NEED BECAUSE TO GET THOSE NOMINAL DOLLARS TO COVER AN ADMIN BUILDING OR A SCHOOL OR, SO, WE HAVE TARGETS SET FOR RESERVES THAT ARE LARGER THAN A FAIRFAX AS A PERCENT OF BUDGET, NOT LARGER IN DOLLAR CURVES, BUT, AND WE HAVE MORE CONSERVATIVE DEBT AS A PERCENT OF OUR BUDGET THAN SOME OF THOSE OTHER LARGER AND TRIPLES WOULD BE.
SO TO YOUR, YOUR QUESTION IS, IS THIS GOOD FOR AAA? YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHO WE ARE AS OPPOSED TO JUST GENERALLY.
BUT, BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHO WE ARE, I FEEL REASONABLY COMFORTABLE AND THE AGENCIES HAVE ALREADY SEEN THESE KIND OF GRAPHS FOR US AND HAVE SAID THAT'S FINE WITH US TRIPLE A, GIVING YOUR SIZE, GIVING YOUR RESERVES, GIVING EVERYTHING ELSE.
NOW MENTIONED EARLIER THAT AS THE BUDGET GROWS, OUR FIXED RATE GEO BONDS WILL SHRINK AS A PERCENTAGE.
SO THOSE, UH, YELLOW AND AND RED LINES WOULD START TO MOVE HIGHER OR SAID ANOTHER WAY THOSE GREEN LINES WOULD BE LOWER AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET AS THE BUDGET GROWS AND THOSE FIXED PAYMENTS DON'T.
SO WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT A SMIDGEN FOUR YEARS OUT, DEPENDING ON THE GROWTH OF OUR BUDGET, THERE COULD BE TWO SMIDGENS OR THREE SMIDGE, A LITTLE MORE ROOM THAN TECHNICAL TERM IS.
UM, BUT THIS WOULD MAINTAIN THE, THE, IF YOUR QUESTION IS WHAT IF WE GO THROUGH THE YELLOW AND THE RED, YOU KNOW, THEN START TO GET MORE THE DANGERS.
BUT, BUT AS LONG AS WE STAY WITHIN THE GUARD RAILS, UM, THE HAVE ALREADY SEEN US AND PLUS THIS AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS WORKS, THIS IS GOOD.
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WE, THE PLAN WE APPRECIATE, AND I'LL ALSO ADD, I KNOW WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE AAA STANDARDS, BUT BG OR THE G F O A, WHICH IS THE ACCOUNTING GUIDELINES FOR UM, COUNTIES, THEY RECOMMENDED 25% OR ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 25% UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.AND THAT'S WHAT THEY CONSIDER THEIR RATEY DAY.
NOW BUCHIN DOES HAVE A REVENUE STABILIZATION FUND.
WE KEEP A HIGH AMOUNT IN OUR ASSIGNED FUND BALANCE, BUT UM, JUST TO KEEP US SAFE, WE WANNA HAVE 25% OF OUR, UM, GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES ALWAYS AVAILABLE AND UNASSIGNED TO BE USED IN ANY CRISIS SITUATION.
SO I MEAN, WE ARE WELL ABOVE THAT EVERY YEAR BECAUSE WE KEEP, UM, WE KEEP A, A GREAT HIGH AMOUNT IN RESERVES AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE SO SMALL, THE PERCENTAGE OF OUR BUDGET NEEDS TO BE VERY HIGH.
G FFO A UH, JUST LIKE RETAIL, UH, FINANCIAL ADVISORS, THEY RECOMMEND TWO MONTHS SALARY.
SO YOU CAN LOOK FOR A JOB AND FINALLY TWO MONTHS, WELL TWO MONTHS OUTTA 12, TWO OVER 12 IS ABOUT 15% PLUS OR MINUS 1%.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY COME UP WITH THE GF.
Y SAYS COUNTIES SHOULD HAVE TWO MONTHS OF REVENUES TOO, WHICH IS ABOUT 15% OF YOUR BUDGET.
SO THAT'S OUR RESERVES, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, GOOD PRACTICE AS OPPOSED TO EXCELLENT PRACTICE.
AND IT'S FOR COUNTIES THAT ARE MUCH BIGGER THAN US.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, THEY, THEY'VE SEEN EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE NOW AND THEY FLUSH THAT AND SAID, YES, THIS IS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN YOU'RE WORKS.
THAT CHART JUST MAKES ME WONDER WHAT IS THE GROWTH RATE IN DENOMINATOR OF YOUR GREEN? THE GREEN MARS? WHAT'S THE GROWTH RATE, UM, OF YOUR GF OF YOUR GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES? 3%.
I MEAN IN OUR FY 24 BUDGET, IT'S A LOT HIGHER THAN THAT.
NINE AND A HALF, BUT NOT EVERY YEAR.
SO I MEAN THIS DOES ASSUME A LOWER, A LOWER GROWTH RATE.
SO THAT THAT'S GONNA ULTIMATELY GIVE US ROOM THE HISTORIES IN THE GUIDE, THAT'S GONNA 10% THREE YEARS.
AND THE OTHER, AND THAT'S VERY CONSERVATIVE, PERCENT INTEREST IS CONSERVATIVE.
SO THIS IS CONSERVATIVE EVERY WHICH WAY YOU SLICE IT.
WE ISSUED THE 15 MILLION OUTTA THE 96, WHICH IS OVER HALF THE, SO TALKING ABOUT THE MARGIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE I CORRECT.
SO THIS, THIS DOESN'T SHOW THE FUTURE CIP P PROJECTS.
WHAT, WHAT? THIS IS TELEVIS AT 2027, WE CAN ONLY TO STAY WITH OUR 10% TARGET, WE CAN ONLY BORROW ABOUT 0.7%.
WELL THIS IS, THIS GRANT ASSUMES THAT WE TAKE OUT THAT 28 MILLION LOAN IN FY 26 AND COMBINE HOUSE.
SO COMBINING THAT NEW DEBT WITH OUR CURRENT DEBT, THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD FALL STILL BELOW OUR POLICY.
AND IN FY 27, YOU'D STILL HAVE THAT LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM TO BORROW ADDITIONAL DEBT IF, BUT IT DOESN'T.
CTE PROGRAM? NO, THIS IS JUST MONEY.
WELL IT'S REALLY LIKE ABOVE DEBT.
HOW MUCH ROOM DO YOU HAVE TO BORROW IF THAT'S WHAT THE FUNDING SOURCES.
AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING DONE WELL NOT TO CASH FUND LOT.
IF YOU SEE IN 20 21, 22, THE FIRST THREE LEFT, YOU SEE THEY WERE PAYING OFF THE HIGH SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOL YEAR LOAN WAS SPIKES WHO DID REAL GOOD ON THE BOARD IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THEN WE START THEN, SO THEN IT TAKES DOWN LITTLE BIT PAYING OFF THE MOTOR ROLL FOR ANOTHER THE COURTHOUSE PILE.
AND THEN WE SAID, OKAY, HAD ENOUGH.
WE NEED TO DIGEST FOR A WHILE.
SO THEN YOU SEE WE STARTED PAYING OFF SOME PRINCIPAL, PAYING OUT ON THE DEBT THAT WE ISSUED EACH YEAR.
COUNTY ASSETS GROW, BUDGET GROW TO HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO BORROW FOR ANOTHER SCHOOL OR WHATEVER.
DOWN AT WE SAID WE GOT SOME ROOM HERE, DO SOMETHING.
UM, BUT WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT IT.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
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THANK YOU ALL.I WISH IT WAS BALANCED, BUT THAT ONE OFF, WE TALKED ABOUT THE 20 MILLION.
OH WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT 18 MILLION LEFT TOMORROW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YES.
SO EFFECTIVELY WE'VE GOT WITHIN JUST SOME YEAR AND YEAR, THE FUNDS HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED.
IR RESPONSIBLE, WE DUNNO, ANYBODY'S COMING FROM.
THIS IS, WE CAN ALWAYS VOTE FOR MORE PREMIUM THAN WE DO BORROW TO PUT US ABOVE.
SO I WANNA MOVE INTO THE CITIZEN CABINET PERIOD, HAVE A COUPLE CITIZENS HERE, OUR THIRD AGENDA ITEM, SO TO SPEAK.
YES, MR. SIMON AND LISA, IF YOU PUT THE SLIDES UP.
I WANT, I WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, THE SAFETY STUDY DID NOT, UH, TALK ABOUT THE, UH, SOME OF THE QUICK SAFETY FIXES.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT MAIN'S ROAD, WHICH WAS JUST TWO, UH, GREAT YELLOW STRIPES PUT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MAIN'S ROAD, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED ON FAIRGROUND ROAD WHERE THE PASSING LANES ARE, THAT WOULD'VE SOLVED SOME PROBLEMS. AND SOME OF THE SAFETY FIXES ALSO I'LL SUGGEST INVOLVE THE SPEED.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT NORFOLK SOUTHERN, UH, THEY, THEY COLLECT DATA ABOUT EVERY 13.9 MILES.
IF YOU LOOK AT DELTA, UH, DEPENDING UPON WHAT FLIGHT THEY DO, THEY, THEY COLLECT DATA OUT EVERY FOUR MILLISECONDS OVER AND THERE'S 10,000 FLIGHTS.
IT'S NOT THE FDA, IT'S MADE FLIGHTS SAFER.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS A SITUATION WHERE DATA OVER TIME BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT.
TODAY'S WORLD, WHICH I'LL REEMPHASIZE DATA COLLECTION IS TRIVIAL.
THERE'S DEVICES OUT THERE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THIS AND FOUR INCHES DEEP THAT WILL GIVE YOU A COMPLETE DATA HISTORY INCLUDING SIZE OF VEHICLES, SPEED OF VEHICLE IN BOTH LANES ON ROADS.
I SUGGEST OUR TRANSPORTATION MANAGER SHOULD BE EMPOWERED TO COLLECT THAT TYPE OF DATA ON ROADS AND AREAS OF INTEREST.
CUZ HOW CAN YOU DECIDE WHERE DEVELOPMENTS ARE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM? THAT'S, ESPECIALLY WITH GROWTH RATES THAT ARE ASSUMED OF A MANUAL AND THEN UPGRADED TO 1.5%.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REALITY AND BASIS.
AND THAT'S REALLY HOW I'LL SAY ENGINEERS LOOK AT IT AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY IN FINANCE WHO MIGHT RUN A BANK INTO GROUND BECAUSE OF HTM TO F UH, LET'S SAY THE AVAILABLE FOR SALE RATIO.
RIGHT? IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST LUDICROUS.
UM, THE ACCIDENT RATES ARE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE FR 300 MANUAL, WHICH JUST TALKED ABOUT THE REPORTABILITY, THOSE RATES ARE IMPORTANT FOR GOLAND COUNTY, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF 'EM ARE NOT PASSED ON.
AND SOME OF THOSE, WHAT YOU'LL FIND IN A 300 F FR 300 MANUAL IS THE FACT THAT NOT EVERYTHING OVER 1500 IS REPORTED BECAUSE ESTIMATES ARE PUT FORTH AND THEN IT'S 3000, 4,000, 5,000 LATER AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS NOT COVERED IN IT.
AND YOU ALSO FIND OUT TALKING TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REPORTS THAT ARE NEVER FILED BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED WITHIN THE COUNTY.
AND PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THOSE, UH, SOME OF THOSE ACCIDENTS, UM, AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK TO DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'RE APPROVING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING ALL UP AND DOWN THIS AREA AND NONE OF THIS DATA IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT EVEN WITH THE TIAS THAT ARE DONE.
I I, I'M SORRY, IT'S JUST NOT ACCURATE.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY, AND I'LL PUT THIS FORTH BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, TO PULL THE COUNTY OUT OF
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MR. SLOAN.
ANYONE ELSE, MR. TO SPEAK? YEAH, UH, I WILL, UH, I WANNA SAY THANKS.
I MEAN, YOU MADE SEVERAL REFERENCES THAT THIS BUDGET IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING NEXT YEAR'S BOARD WILL ALSO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
AND, AND THE, THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT IS BEING SPENT RIGHT NOW, UH, IS GOING TO HELP.
CAUSE THERE WILL BE BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE NEVER RIDDEN THIS BRONCO BEFORE.
I MEAN, SO IT WILL BE THEIR FIRST RODEO IN A LOT OF WAYS.
BUT I ALSO HAVE BROUGHT TO MIND THAT ALL OF THESE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM THE TAXPAYER AND JUST IN MY SIDEWALK CONVERSATIONS, PEOPLE ARE SAYING, MY TAXES ARE GOING UP.
THE RATE ISN'T, BUT MY TAXES ARE.
AND SO I APPRECIATE THE, WHAT I'LL CALL FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU ARE SHOWING AND THAT IT'S NOT
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WHAT CAN WE SPEND THIS ALL ON, BUT HOW CAN WE SPEND THIS PRUDENTLY? AND I'M NOT EVEN GONNA USE THE WORD SPEND, BUT I'M GONNA USE THE WORD INVEST CUZ YOU ARE INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY, OUR COUNTY.AND, AND I JUST PERSONALLY APPRECIATE THAT FAIR VERY MUCH.
UH, YOU GUYS ARE SETTING A HIGH BAR FOR WHOEVER FOLLOWS YOU ON THE BOARD OR STAY ON THE BOARD.
UM, AND, AND SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
BUT IT IS TAXPAYER MONEY AND UH, THE RATES STAYING THE SAME, BUT TAXES ARE GOING UP AND, AND PEOPLE ARE COMMENTING ON THAT.
SO, UH, I THINK YOU'RE AWARE CUZ IF I'M GETTING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT YOUR PHONE CALLS ARE LIKE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMING MR. WA.
I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING TO OUR TUESDAY, APRIL 4TH BOARD OF SUPERVISED MEETING AT 2:00 PM AND ON TUESDAY 18TH, 4:00 PM COUNTY BUDGET.
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT WE ALSO HAVE THE DISTRICT ONE TOWN HALL, THURSDAY, MARCH 23RD AT SIX 30 AND THE DISTRICT TWO AND THREE, MARCH 30TH AT SIX 30.