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DO YOU BEEN GOING TO THE GYM? SHE GETS DONE MEAN IT'S FINE.
YOU WANNA SIT HERE? AND I'M IN THERE.
IT'S COLD, BUT WE DO NORMALLY YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WE'LL CALL THE MEETING OF THE GKM COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
[1. Call to Order]
TOGETHER.MS. PARKER, DO WE HAVE A FORM? YES, SIR.
WILL EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE IN THE VOCATION,
[2. Pledge of Allegiance]
UNITED STATES OF[3. Invocation - Led by Mr. Myers]
GRACIOUS, PLEASE RISE FOR INVOCATION.GRACIOUS GOD, WE COME BEFORE YOU HELPING LIFT THRONE WITH THANKS AND PRAISE FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR US AS WE ADDRESS THIS BUSINESS FOR THE GOOD CITIZENS OF GLAND COUNTY.
WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL GIVE US THE GUIDANCE AND THE WISDOM TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR ALL THIS WE ASK IN YOUR NAME.
[4. Citizen Comment Period]
CITIZENS COMMENTS FOR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA CLOSE THE CITIZEN.
UH, ARE THERE ANY REQUESTS TO DEFER ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS? NO, SIR.
[5. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions, or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings]
OKAY.OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS RESOLUTION, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND CERTIFICATION
[6. Public Hearing Item]
OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE GUC COUNTY 2035 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE CENTERVILLE PLAN IS INTENDED TO UPDATE, MODIFY, AND SUPPLEMENT ALL CHAPTERS IN THE 2035 PLAN, AS WELL AS TO MODIFY THE 2040 MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE PARKS, RECREATION AND FACILITIES 20 20 20 23 AMENDED MASTER PLAN.
I'M CRYSTAL
UM, BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT, YOU'RE GOING PRESENTATION FOR THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN.
SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA PROVIDE A STAFF OVERVIEW.
THERE WILL BE A PRESENTATION FROM TIM'S GROUP ON THE PROPOSED PLAN, AND THEN THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND TALK THROUGH THE PURPOSE OF THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN.
THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE GLAND COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT GOES THROUGH 20 20 35.
THIS PROPOSED PLAN COULD BE USED TO GUIDE ZONING IN THE FUTURE FOR GROWTH.
IT DOES NOT CHANGE EXISTING ZONING.
IT DOES NOT CHANGE CONCURRENT DESIGNS, GUIDELINES, OR OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
HOWEVER, IT MAY BE USED AS A TOOL TO FACILITATE FUTURE CODE AND REGULATORY CHANGES, OR AS A VI GUIDING VISION DOCUMENT.
UM, I ALSO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT WE'VE MADE AN EFFORT TO SHOW WHAT THE PLAN WILL AND WON'T DO, AND THERE'S FIVE THINGS TO SORT OF CALL OUT, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL.
IT'S NOT CHANGING EXISTING ZONING.
IF THIS PLAN MOVES FORWARD, IT DOES NOT CHANGE CURRENT DESIGN GUIDELINES OR OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
IT'S USED AS A OPPORTUNITY TO FACILITATE FUTURE REGULATORY CHANGES.
SO WHAT IS OUR GOAL WITH THIS PLAN, AS WELL AS OUR OVERALL SMALL PLANNING PROCESS TO INTENTIONALLY HIGHLIGHT OUR CORE VALUES.
AND BY, BY DOING THAT, WE'VE FOCUSED ON USING PUBLIC INPUT TO CREATE PUBLIC VALUE AND HAVING SOMETHING THAT IS OF MEANING AND OF PURPOSE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO IN DOING THAT, WE WANNA BE REFLECTIVE AND REPRESENTATIVE OF GLAND'S DESIRE TO FURTHER ITS HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE MEASURE MEASURES, SORRY, SUCH AS PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, OPEN PUBLIC SPACES, RURAL PRESERVATION, BUILDING FORUM AND CHARACTER, AS WELL AS RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION OF BUSINESSES.
AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR CENTERVILLE AREA.
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AND WHERE HAVE WE BEEN IN THIS PROCESS? AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'VE BEEN OVER THIS A FEW TIMES, BUT IT'S BEEN AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS.WE BEGAN IN FEBRUARY, 2022 WITH A KICKOFF.
WE'VE HAD A TOTAL OF FIVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS OR OPEN HOUSES FOR EACH PLAN.
WE'VE HAD ROUND TABLES IN THE SPRING OF 2022, A FOUR MONTH COMMUNITY-WIDE SURVEY.
WE HAD SOME DRAFT PLANS THAT WERE INITIALLY RELEASED THAT WERE NOT REFLECTIVE OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME PROPERTY OWNER AND STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WITH EACH AREA.
UM, AND ON THOSE DRAFT PLANS, WE'VE ALSO HAD A JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WORKSHOP.
WE HAD AN ONLINE COMMENT PERIOD THAT HAD OVER 700 COMMENTS THAT RAN THROUGH THE END OF FEBRUARY AND IN LATE FEBRUARY, BASED ON ALL OF THAT AND THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED, WE TOOK A STEP BACK TO FIGURE OUT HOW COULD WE BETTER HIGHLIGHT THE INPUT, ESPECIALLY THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE INPUT AND THE VALUES WE RECEIVED THROUGH ALL OF THOSE VARIOUS, UM, CHANNELS.
AND AS A RESULT, YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AN UPDATED PROPOSED PLAN THAT'S BEEN MADE PUBLIC.
SO I JUST WANNA TOUCH ON AGAIN, WHERE HAVE WE BEEN ON IN, SORRY, MY MOUTH'S DRIED.
WHERE HAVE WE BEEN IN THIS SMALL PLANNING PROCESS? SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD FOCUSED ON WAS TRANSPORTATION AS AN OPPORTUNITY.
AND THE PRIOR CENTERVILLE CONNECTIVITY PROPOSAL WAS VERY, UM, VERY CUMBERSOME IN THAT IT ACTUALLY FOCUSED A LOT ON THEORETICALS, UM, POTENTIAL IMAGINATIVE ROADS.
IT WASN'T REALLY ROOTED BASED IN EXISTING COUNTY FRAMEWORKS SUCH AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.
THE MAJOR THROUGH FAIR PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2018 WITH, UM, WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH VDOT.
SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT WAS THE PRIOR TRANSPORTATION CONNECTIVITY PROPOSAL.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE CURRENT CONNECTIVITY PROPOSAL, WHICH REFLECTS EXISTING FRAMEWORK DOCUMENTS, UM, THAT WE HAVE FROM OUR MASTER PARKS AND RECREATION PLAN TO OUR MAJOR THROUGH FAIR PLAN AND OR ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY, UM, ON THE RADAR THROUGH PROPOSED PLANS OF DEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ACTUALLY PROCEEDING.
SO AGAIN, WE WANTED TO BE VERY REALISTIC, ATTAINABLE, SOMETHING THAT'S MEASURABLE AND ACHIEVABLE.
WHERE HAVE WE BEEN WITH OUR LAND USE? NOT TO GIVE EVERYONE PTSD, BUT WE STARTED WITH A MAP THAT WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHERE WE ARE NOW.
THE PREVIOUS LAND USE PROPOSAL HAD SEVERAL ADDITIONAL LAND USE CATEGORIES WITH MUCH MORE DETAILED DENSITIES, BUT OFTEN PROVIDED INCOMPLETE GUIDANCE, CREATING A SPORADIC VISION FOR THE PLAN AREA.
AND AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE A VISION FOR FUTURE GROWTH THAT'S THOUGHTFUL AND INTENTIONAL.
ADDITIONALLY, THE CATEGORIES THAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAD OFTEN DID NOT APPROPRIATE RELATE TO THE CONTEXT OF SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS OR REALISTIC MARKET INTEREST IN A PARTICULAR AREA.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TRIED TO FOCUS ON WITH OUR PAIRED DOWN SIX LAND USE, UH, PROPOSED CATEGORIES WAS HAVING APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSITION ZONES, REALIZING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE SOME EXISTING RESIDENTIAL POCKETS.
WE ALREADY HAVE SOME EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREAS, SOME EXISTING MIXED USE AREAS.
AND HOW DOES THAT ALL BLEND AND MELD TOGETHER OVER TIME, POTENTIALLY? SO THIS NEW LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS MORE FLEXIBLE IN ITS LAND USE APPROACHES.
IT ALLOWS THE PLAN, AS I MENTIONED, TO GROW OVER TIME THROUGH FUTURE ACTIONS SUCH AS ZONING, INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTS, DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND FUTURE ORDINANCE UPDATES, WHICH WILL HELP KEEP THIS PLAN RELEVANT AND MORE RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO JUST LOOKING AHEAD NEXT STEPS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING FOR THE CENTERVILLE AREA PLAN ON JUNE 15TH, UM, AT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AT 6:00 PM THAT IS FOR THE CENTERVILLE PLAN, IF ADOPTED STAFF WILL WORK IN THE COMING MONTHS TO DEVELOP PROPOSED ZONING, ORDINANCE, AMENDMENTS AND DESIGN GUIDELINES, REFLECTIVE OF THE SMALL AREA PLANS.
THERE'S ALSO ONE SLATED FOR COURTHOUSE VILLAGE JUNE 12TH AT 6:00 PM AS WELL.
WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WILL TURN OVER, UH, THE PODIUM TO TIM'S GROUP FOR MORE ON THE PROPOSED PLAN AND ITS CONTENT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M A SENIOR, UH, PROJECT MANAGER WITH TIM'S GROUP.
AND I'M EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS DRAFT PLAN TO YOU AND SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PROCESS AND HOW WE GOT HERE.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, WE'LL TALK A BIT ABOUT OUR PROJECT OBJECTIVE, WHERE WE STARTED WITH WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO ACHIEVE, UH, OUR INTRODUCTION TO SMALL AREA PLANS THAT WE DEVELOPED, UH, THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN IN MORE DETAIL.
AND THEN, THEN, UH, WE'LL BREAK FOR QUESTIONS.
AS WAS MENTIONED, THIS IS A LONG PROCESS, A TIMELINE THAT THAT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR IN THE MAKING.
UM, STARTED WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT, COMMUNITY SURVEYS, ROUND TABLES, PRESENTATIONS, COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
UH, AND THEN WE CAME IN IN, IN MARCH OR SO, OR LATE FEBRUARY, EARLY MARCH, UH, AND I'LL SAY WE SPENT ABOUT THE FIRST SIX MONTHS REALLY TRYING TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THAT INPUT, WATCHING THE VIDEOS, SPEAKING WITH STAFF, TRYING TO GET OUR HEAD AROUND EVERYTHING THAT WAS,
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UH, GIVEN BY THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS THEIR FEEDBACK ON THE PLANS AND WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR HOPES WERE, WHAT THE DIRECTION OF THESE PLANS.AND, AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AT A HIGH LEVEL AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS AS YOU WORK THROUGH THIS.
AND SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT OUR APPROACH, OUR, OUR INTENTION WAS TO HAVE A, A VERY DEFINED STRUCTURE TO THIS PLAN.
SO, SO SPECIFIC CHAPTERS THAT THEY HIT ON THE, THE BASIC TOPICS.
BUT I REALLY WANNA START OFF WITH ARTICULATING, UH, WHAT WHAT WE FELT WAS THE VISION FROM THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT WE READ THROUGH.
UH, AND THEN WE DISCUSSED, UH, WITH COUNTY STAFF AND TRYING, TRYING TO ARTICULATE THAT VISION.
SO HOPEFULLY IT WAS THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR ALL OF THE ELEMENTS IN THESE PLANS.
UH, WANTED TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLAN WAS EASY TO NAVIGATE.
WE HAD CLEAR GRAPHICS, CONSISTENT MAPPING, UH, AND TRY AND REMOVE SOME OF THE HEAVY TEXT AND TURN THOSE IN INTO THINGS THAT WERE EASY TO DIGEST.
UH, SO, SO THE MESSAGES CAME ACROSS, UH, STRAIGHTAWAY WERE EASY TO FOLLOW.
AND LAST, WE WANNA REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS RELEVANT AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.
UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE THINGS WERE REALISTIC, THE, THE, THE IMAGES THAT WERE IN THIS PLAN REFLECTED ACTUAL THINGS HERE IN GLAND COUNTY OR THINGS THAT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
UM, AND WERE UP AT AN APPROPRIATE SCALE.
HOW, HOW ARE THESE PLANS SUPPOSED TO BE USED WITH ANY LONG RANGE PLAN? THIS IS A 2010 TO 20 YEAR VISION.
UH, AND SO YOU WANT TO THINK LONG TERM.
HOW, HOW WILL WILL AN AREA EVOLVE OVER TIME? UM, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS OFTEN A TOOL FOR YOU, ESPECIALLY ALL AS THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER TO REFER BACK TO, UH, AS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS COME FORTH.
IT IS NOT CHANGE EXISTING ZONING.
UH, IT DOES NOT CHANGE ANY REGULATIONS ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST THAT, THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY THAT ROADMAP, THAT GUIDE TO, TO FALL BACK ON SO THAT YOU, YOU HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY, UH, OF WORK, UH, THAT'S IN AGREEMENT.
WE REALLY FOCUS ON DES DESIRED CHARACTER AND FORM OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT HERE OF NATURAL PROTECTION, OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, TO HELP GUIDE THESE PLANS AND REALLY HOPE TO ALIGN THAT WITH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT THE COUNTY HA HAS A, HAS A, A ROADMAP FOR WHEN TO IMPLEMENT CERTAIN IM IMPROVEMENTS AND ENSURE THAT IT KEEPS PACE WITH DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME.
SO WITH OUR INTRODUCTION CHAPTER, UH, WE REALLY WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME, SOME REGIONAL CONTEXT AS WE START OUT THIS.
SO WE, WE HAVE HERE, UH, JUST ORIENTATION TO GLAND COUNTY AS A WHOLE.
UH, SOME OF THE MAJOR CORRIDORS REALLY ESTABLISHED THAT REGIONAL CONTEXT RELATIONSHIP TO RICHMOND AND, AND CHARLOTTESVILLE, UH, AND SOME OF THE MAJOR CORRIDORS THAT RUN THROUGH THAT, AS WELL AS WHERE THE, THE, THE CURRENT, UM, TWO VILLAGES ARE THAT WE LOOKED AT, UH, FOR THESE PLANS ALSO HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON TRANSPORTATION PATTERNS.
THESE ARE REALLY JUST COMMUTING PATTERNS, UH, THROUGH THE COUNTY, NOT SPECIFIC TO EACH VILLAGE AREA, BUT IT DOES SH GIVE YOU, UH, AN OVERVIEW AS TO, SO WHERE ARE FOLKS COMING AND GOING AS, AS THEY WORK THROUGH THE COUNTY.
UM, MAYBE OUR COMMUNITY OF JOBS OR PLACES OF, UH, THEIR HOUSING OR THINGS LIKE THAT LOOKED AT EMPLOYMENT.
SO, UH, SOME OF THE MAJOR EMPLOYERS IN THE AREA, AND CERTAINLY THERE'S A LOT AROUND CENTERVILLE, SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYMENT CENTERVILLE, WHEREAS IN COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, UH, WHICH WE SPOKE ABOUT A FEW NIGHTS AGO, THERE'S A LOT MUCH MORE PUBLIC SECTOR FOCUS WITH SOME OF THAT EMPLOYMENT THERE.
AND THEN ONE OF THE LAST THINGS WE WANTED TO REALLY ARTICULATE SOME OF THE COMMUNITY GOALS THAT WE HEARD THROUGH THE INITIAL INPUT ROUNDS, UH, OF A NEED TO, TO PROMOTE SMALL BUSINESSES, UH, TO, TO FOCUS ON THE BUILT FORM, ENSURING THAT BUILDINGS AND AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WAS WHAT WAS CONTEXTUALLY APPROPRIATE TO THE EXISTING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY HERE.
UH, A STRONG DESIRE, ESPECIALLY IN, IN THE CENTER REVEAL PLAN WAS TO, TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE WALKABLE PUBLIC SPACES, UH, ACCESSED OUTDOOR RECREATION AND FIND WAYS TO, TO INCORPORATE, UH, SOME OF THE, THE UNIQUE ELEMENTS OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND PRESERVE THAT OVER TIME WITHIN THE, THE SMALL AREA PLAN.
SO WITH THAT, WE'LL START INTO THE, THE, THIS PLAN.
I WANNA START OFF BY JUST, UH, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE, WE FELT WE REALLY HEARD WHEN WE DID THAT FIRST INITIAL DIVE THROUGH ALL OF THE PUBLIC INPUT.
AND, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT HOW WE HOPE TO ADDRESS THAT WITHIN THESE PLANS.
SO ONE WAS THE, THE REOCCURRING THEME WAS REALLY A FOCUS ON THE HEIGHT, THE SIZE, UH, LANDSCAPING ASSOCIATED WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT IT, THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE.
SO YOU'LL SEE ALL THROUGHOUT THESE PLANS, WE HAVE AN EMPHASIS ON BUILDING FORM ON SCALE AND RELATIONSHIP TO THE STREETS.
UH, WE REALLY TRIED TO, TO, I, WE PROVIDE SOME STREET SECTIONS AND THINGS, SO TO HOPEFULLY ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS ON SOME OF THE INTERNAL ROADS AND, AND GET THAT FACING RELATIONSHIP TO IMPROVE THAT PEDESTRIAN REALM.
UH, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO RECOMMENDED SOME ZONING, TEXT AMENDMENTS AND DESIGN GUIDELINES TO FURTHER THAT IDEA.
UH, AND REALLY ENSURE WHEN YOU GET INTO THINGS LIKE, UH, ARTICULATION AND SPECIFIC ELEMENTS OF BUILDINGS AND, AND SO THOSE SPECIFIC LANDSCAPING, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'LL TAKE ADDITIONAL WORK AND ZONING, TEXT AMENDMENTS TO GET THERE.
THERE'S A STRONG DESIRE, PARTICULARLY IN CENTERVILLE FOR, FOR PLACEMAKING AND PRESERVATION OF THAT COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
SO WE'VE TRIED TO IDENTIFY SOME WAYS, UH, THROUGH ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE FEATURES ALONG PRIMARY ROADWAYS OR KEY INTERSECTIONS TO HOPEFULLY INCORPORATE SOME PLACEMAKING ELEMENTS.
UH, WE'LL GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PLAN THIS EVENING.
UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR A SMALL BUSINESS, THAT, THAT'S ONE WHERE WE REALLY EMPHASIZE BUILDING FORMS SCALE, UH, WITH SMALLER BUILDINGS ON THE MIXED USE CORE.
TRYING, TRYING TO, TO, TO FURTHER THAT, UH, IN TRANSITION ZONES AS YOU GET OUT OF IT, TO CREATE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, FOR, FOR SMALL BUSINESS LOCAL BUSINESSES TO, TO HOPEFULLY LOCATE THERE.
UH, AS WELL AS WE'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT THE COUNTY DEVELOP A STRATEGIC BUSINESS PLAN TO REALLY TARGET THOSE INDUSTRIES AND DEVELOP INCENTIVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MOVE THAT IDEA FORWARD.
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I MENTION, THERE'S A STRONG DESIRE FOR PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE RECREATION AND COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES.SO WE'VE, UH, WE'VE LOOKED AT GREENWAYS POTENTIAL CORRIDORS, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRAILS THAT YOU COULD HAVE.
WE'VE EMPHASIZED THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES, WHETHER THOSE ARE PUBLIC, PRIVATE OR, UH, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
UM, AND ALSO I TRIED TO IDENTIFY ELEMENTS OF PUBLIC PLAZA SPACE IN THAT MIXED USE CORE, SO THAT THAT ALSO CREATES, THAT, THAT ACC ACCESS, PUBLIC ACCESS, THAT RECREATION, AS WELL AS SOME PLACEMAKING ELEMENTS.
UH, ANOTHER THEME WE HEARD WAS, UH, WE WOULD READ THROUGH IS SINGLE FAMILY HOME DESIRE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING OPTIONS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE.
SO YOU'LL SEE WE, WE GET INTO THE DIFFERENT HOUSING, UH, OPTIONS AND WHICH ONES ARE APPROPRIATE AND DIFFERENT LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, UH, HOPEFULLY TO, TO PROMOTE ADDITIONAL HOUSING PRICE POINTS, UH, FOR HOME OWNERSHIP THROUGHOUT THE, THE VILLAGE AREA OR THE, THE SMALL AREA PLAN.
UH, AND THEN WE REALLY RESTRICTED MULTI-FAMILY.
THERE'S THAT, THERE'S A STRONG CONCERN ABOUT LARGE SCALE MULTI-FAMILY COMING INTO TO CENTERVILLE.
AND SO WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO RESTRICT THAT TO THE MIXED USE DESIGNATIONS WITH A LOT OF GUIDELINES ON SIZE AND FORM OF THOSE BUILDINGS TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE, UH, APPROPRIATE, UM, IN, IN TERMS OF SCALE, UH, AND REFLECT THE, THE COMMUNITY'S DESIRES THROUGH THEIR INPUT FOOT.
SO, AGAIN, KIND OF HITTING IT AS, AS I MENTIONED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PLAN, WE TALK ABOUT VISION ELEMENTS, SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AND HERE WE, WE HERE WHERE WE COME RIGHT UP FRONT AND TALK ABOUT PLACEMAKING AND EMPHASIS ON PLACEMAKING, ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, ACCESS TO OUTDOOR RECREATION, UH, AND RESOURCE PROTECTION.
AND SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THOSE THEMES THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THIS PLAN, HOPEFULLY TO RESPOND TO A LOT OF THE INPUT THAT WAS HEARD, UH, THROUGH THIS REVISED, UH, APPROACH.
SO THIS IS JUST OUR DRAFT MAP.
UH, I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP CAUSE IT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE PREVIOUS DRAFTS.
AND THE IDEA HERE, WHICH CREATES SOMETHING CLEARLY LEGIBLE THAT'S EASY TO NAVIGATE, YOU SEE THE MAJOR ROADS WITH, WITH, UH, BROAD STREET AND ASHLAND ROAD HIGHLIGHTED, UM, BROUGHT THE BROADVIEW SHOPPING CENTER AND SOME OF THE FIRE AND RESCUE FACILITIES.
SO YOU CAN HOPEFULLY ORIENT YOURSELF QUICKLY A AS FOLKS READ THROUGH THIS MAP AND, AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS ARE WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING THROUGH IT.
SO WE'LL BUILD ON THIS MAP WITH THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE PLAN WITH TRANSPORTATION.
UH, OUR INITIAL TASK WAS REALLY JUST TO TAKE AN INVENTORY OF THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF ROAD SYSTEMS THROUGH THE VDOT CLASSIFICATIONS OF ARTERIAL STREETS, COLLECTOR STREETS, LOCAL STREETS, AND A FULL INVENTORY OF WHERE SIDEWALKS WERE.
AND THAT ALLOWS US TO PLAN FOR, FOR, FOR WHAT THE, THE COUNTY HAS PLANNED WITH A TRANSPORTATION PLAN, AS WELL AS IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS AND INTERCONNECTIVITY.
SO WITH LOCAL STREETS, UH, THESE ARE, THESE ARE EXISTING LOCAL STREETS OR APPROVED LOCAL STREETS, UH, OR PLAN THROUGH AN ADOPTED, UH, PLAN THAT THE COUNTY ALREADY HAS.
UH, THESE ARE YOUR LOWER CAPACITY STREETS.
ONE THING WE DID WAS MAKE SURE WE INCORPORATED A STREET SECTION HERE THAT SHOWS SIDEWALKS, UH, SO THAT AS DEVELOPMENTS COME FORTH, UH, TO, TO THE COMMISSION AND THE BOARD HERE, YOU CAN ENSURE THAT YOU'RE, UH, ASKING FOR SIDEWALKS OR HAVING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO, TO, TO GET THOSE SIDEWALKS AS A REQUIREMENT IN THE FUTURE.
COLLECTOR STREETS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, WE THINK, UH, IN THE CENTERVILLE AREA FOR THESE COLLECTOR STREETS TO SERVE TO FURTHER THAT TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
UM, THE, THESE ARE, ARE MEDIUM CAPACITY STREETS SO THAT THEY OFTEN CONNECT POINT A TO POINT B, UM, AS A WAY TO GET OFF OF THE MAJOR ARTERIAL ROADS.
UH, AND THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR, FOR SOME OF THE, THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION COMPONENTS AS YOU'RE MOVING, MOVING FOLKS FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER TO INCORPORATE THINGS LIKE BIKE LANES AND SIDEWALKS.
AND THIS IS WHERE YOU MIGHT GET INTO THE, THE TREE LINE STREETS, UH, TO KIND OF REALLY CREATE AGAIN, UH, SOME OF THAT PLACEMAKING ELEMENT, SO SOME, UH, AESTHETICS ALONG THOSE ROADS AND REALLY CREATE, CREATE SOME, UH, UH, A SENSE OF PLACE AS AS, AS THOSE, UH, AREAS DEVELOPED.
THE LAST, WE HAVE TWO MAJOR ARTERIAL STREETS, UH, ASHLAND ROAD, UH, BROAD STREET, REALLY ABOUT MOVING TRAFFIC, UH, A LOT.
THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THOSE ROADS, AND SO WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
UM, AND THIS IS WHERE, WHERE WE WE'RE, AGAIN, SHOWING SIDEWALKS.
THERE'S SOME, CERTAINLY SOME MISSING LINKS ON SIDEWALKS, ON THOSE ROADS.
AND, AND DUE TO THE HIGH SPEEDS ON THAT, WE ALSO OFTEN RECOMMEND MULTI-USE PATHS ON THOSE ROADS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A 10 FOOT PAVED PATH FOR BIKERS OR JOGGERS OR WALKERS, PEDESTRIANS, AND, AND OFTEN, UH, TRY TO SEPARATE THEM WITH A, WITH A LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
RIGHT NOW THE SIDEWALKS ARE WHERE THEY ARE, THEY'RE ADJACENT TO THE ROADWAY.
SO CREATING THAT LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER CREATES A BIT MORE OF A, OF A BETTER USER EXPERIENCE.
UM, AND SO THEN AGAIN, BACK TO THIS PLACEMAKING IDEA AND HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE SOME COMMUNITY CHARACTER BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT THERE WAS GIVEN FROM THE PREVIOUS DRAFTS.
THIS IS, UH, JUST, JUST A, A CONCEPT THAT WE DEVELOPED FOR BROAD STREETE, HOW YOU COULD CREATE SOME CONNECTION.
BROAD STREETE IS CERTAINLY A HEAVY DIVIDE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SMALL AREA PLAN AREA.
UM, SO WE WANTED TO CREATE SOME, AN IDEA AS TO HOW, UH, A PEDESTRIAN COULD SAFELY CROSS THIS STREET.
SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A MID-BLOCK CROSSING HERE.
SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE INCORPORATED, UH, WERE SOME ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, UM, TO, TO INCORPORATE MAY MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE ALONG ONE SPOT, UH, ON BROADTREE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S SOME HORSE FENCE.
AND SO WE TRIED TO INCORPORATE SOME FENCING AND SOME ADDITIONAL SHRUB PLANTINGS TO TRY AND STREET TREES TO TRY AND AGAIN, CREATE SOME OF THAT CHARACTER, UH, AND BRING THAT FORTH, UH, TO REALLY KIND OF SOFTEN THE, THE HARD ASPECT OF THAT MAJOR ARTERIAL ROAD.
GREENWAYS, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S A STRONG DESIRE TO, TO SEE, UH, ACCESS TO OUTDOOR RECREATION.
SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED DIFFERENT TYPES OF GREENWAY PATHS FOR THE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS THAT THEY MIGHT BE APPLICABLE.
UM, AND TRIED TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE MAJOR CORRIDORS, UH, WHETHER IT BE A LONG A, A PLANNED OR EXISTING ROADWAY
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OR, OR A STREAM CORRIDOR WHERE YOU CAN IMPLEMENT GREENWAYS AND PROVIDE THAT FURTHER CONNECTIVITY IN SOME EASY ACCESS TO OUTDOOR RECREATION THAT WAY.SO WE BRING ALL THAT TOGETHER INTO A, A COMPREHENSIVE MAP PIER THAT SHOWS THE, THE, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STREETS, THE GREENWAYS, THE MULTIUSE PASS, AND THE SIDEWALKS, AGAIN, AS, AS THIS GUIDE FOR THE COUNTY, UH, TO LOOK BACK TO A AS, UH, DECISIONS ARE MADE, UH, FOR, FOR CAPITAL INVESTMENTS, UH, AS WELL AS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS.
SO THAT HOPEFULLY IT, IT ALIGNS WITH, WITH THAT VISION OVER TIME.
UM, ALSO IN RESPONSE TO A LOT, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS FOR, FOR ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR RECREATION, I BELIEVE WHEN WE HAD A WORK SESSION WITH Y'ALL AS A COMMISSION IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED AS WELL WAS A NEED FOR PARK SPACE, PUBLIC PARK SPACE.
SO, UH, NOT HIGH HIGHLIGHTING ANY SPECIFIC AREA HERE, BUT JUST RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S SOME, SOME, SOME GREAT FLOODPLAIN OPPORTUNITIES WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE GREENWAY TRAILS IN THE FUTURE.
AND THOSE ARE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPLORE POTENTIAL PARKS, UH, ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, ESPECIALLY WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY.
SO QUICK ACCESS, WAY WAYS TO TIE INTO SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THERE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF BROAD STREET, UH, IN THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER THERE, IT'S WHERE, WHERE WE THOUGHT MAYBE YOU COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME UNDERUTILIZED, UH, VACANT LAND AND CREATE, CREATE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL PLAZA THERE WHERE YOU COULD MAYBE HAVE SOME OUTDOOR SEATINGS, SOME WALKING PAST, MAYBE SOME PLAYGROUNDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU COULD HAVE KINDA THAT COMMUNITY CENTERED GATHERING SPACE, UH, TO, TO CREATE THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
UH, AND THAT PLACEMAKING ELEMENT ONCE AGAIN COMING THROUGH IN THIS IDEA.
ALSO WANNA JUST ENCOURAGE THE COUNTY TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, UH, FOR THINGS LIKE A FARMER'S MARKET OR FOR ACTIVE RECREATION OR FOR PASSIVE RECREATION.
AS THOSE OPPORTUNITIES COME, COME FORTH, UH, WE, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THE, THE, THE COUNTY TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND CONTINUE OPEN UP SOME OF THOSE DIALOGUES TO SEE IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE LAND USE IS PROBABLY WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, OUR, OUR GOAL HERE WAS TO, TO, TO TRY AND SIMPLIFY THINGS A BIT, UH, MAKE THEM CLEAR, UH, EASIER GUIDE TO FOLLOW, UH, AND, AND RESPOND TO A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK.
AND SO I'LL GET INTO EACH ONE AND HOPEFULLY, UH, IT, IT DOES ADDRESS SOME OF, SOME OF THE, THE CONCERNS, UH, THAT WERE EXPRESSED.
SO THE MIXED USE CORE, THIS IS ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF BROAD STREET, UM, WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING COMMERCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY.
AND SO THIS IS OUR IDEA OF A WALK BELL TOWN CENTER.
AND BY, BY INCORPORATING A MIXTURE OF USES THERE, HOPEFULLY THAT THAT'S ACHIEVABLE.
AND SO WE HAVE SOME DIAGRAMS THAT THAT SHOW, UH, THESE AREN'T MEANT TO BE ARCHITECTURAL DIAGRAMS OF EXACT BUILDING FORMS. THOSE WOULD COME IN FUTURE DESIGN GUIDELINE WORK, UH, AND QUARTER OVERLAY WORK, UH, THROUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ACTUALLY CODIFY THEM.
UH, BUT THIS HERE IS REALLY JUST TO SHOW THIS RELATIONSHIP OF BUILDINGS TO THE ROADWAYS.
SO THE, THE, THE DIAGRAM ON THE LEFT SHOWS THE LARGE SETBACK.
YOU CAN EVEN SEE THAT THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT I MENTIONED, A FEW SLIDES EARLIER ALONG BROAD STREET WHERE YOU HAVE A LARGER SETBACK, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE HIGH SPEEDS OF THAT ROAD.
BUT ON THE REVERSE SIDE, WHERE YOU HAVE AN INTERNAL ROAD, THAT'S WHERE YOU WANNA ENCOURAGE SOME OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR, UH, MAKE IT MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN REALM, WHICH IS ONE OF SOME OF THE COMBATS THAT COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD, UH, THAT WE READ THROUGH, IS TO ORIENT THAT BUILDING ACTUALLY TO THAT INTERNAL ROAD, HAVE SIDEWALKS, MAYBE HAVE A BUILDING ENTRANCE THERE, UM, SO THAT RIGHT NOW YOU'RE KIND OF LIKE IN THE BACK OF A BUILDING AND HOPEFULLY THAT CAN ACTIVATE THAT SPACE AND, AND CREATE SOMETHING UNIQUE, UH, WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU HAVE A LITTLE SLOWER SPEEDS AND SOME OF THAT MORE CONNECTIVITY.
AND WHEN YOU COMBINE THAT WITH, WITH SOME OTHER ELEMENTS, UH, YOU CAN REALLY CREATE KIND OF THAT MIXED USE CORE.
AND SO ALSO WANNA TALK ABOUT THE USES, UH, MIXED USE CORE, THE PRIMARY USES THAT WE LIST, UH, RETAIL SERVICE, OFFICE LODGING, AND SMALL SCALE RESIDENTIAL, UM, TO REALLY KIND OF SUPPORT THAT, THAT MIXED USE ELEMENT HERE OF THREE-STORY UP TO THREE-STORY BUILDINGS.
SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE TO BE A THREE-STORY, THEY COULD BE LOWER THAN THAT.
UM, BUT I FELT THAT THAT MATCHES SOME OF THE, UH, EXISTING FORM THAT'S OUT THERE.
AND SOME OF THE, THE, THE, THE PROPOSED FORM THAT THAT'S BEEN COMING FORTH, UH, RECENTLY HERE, THIS IS, UH, JUST ACKNOWLEDGING IN, IN THAT, UH, IN THAT CENTRAL AREA THERE.
UM, TALKING ABOUT THE MIXED USE COR, WE WANNA JUST PROVIDE A CONCEPT.
SO THE IMAGE, UH, THE KIND OF PLANNED VIEW DIAGRAM THERE SHOWS THE LARGE SETBACK ON BROAD STREET, UM, SHOWS THAT THAT PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED BACK OF THE BUILDING ON THE INTERNAL STREET WITH SIDEWALKS, STREET TREES, UH, THEN THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON, ON THAT, UH, AVAILABLE CORNER THERE.
YOU MIGHT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME PLACEMAKING ELEMENTS, WHETHER IT BE A SMALL FOUNTAIN OR A SMALL LITTLE PLAZA, JUST A SMALL LITTLE SEATING AREA, SOME LANDSCAPING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HELP CREATE SOME OF THOSE PLACEMAKING ELEMENTS AS THE DEVELOPMENT MIGHT COME FORWARD.
UH, IN, IN COOPERATION WITH THIS PLAN, MIXED USE TRANSITION.
SO THIS IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF BROAD STREET.
UH, WE WANTED TO ALSO HAVE A MIXED USE ELEMENT HERE, BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT BROAD STREET IS, IS A PRETTY, UH, MAJOR DIVIDE THROUGH HERE.
AND, AND THIS IS TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO, TO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS.
UH, WE HAVE A SIMILAR APPROACH WITH THE LARGER SETBACK ON BROAD STREET, UH, AND TRYING TO, TO REALLY ORIENT BUILDINGS TOWARDS, UH, OUR REAR INTERNAL STREET ON THERE WHERE THEY COULD CONNECT TO THE EXISTING NA RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE SOUTH.
UH, AND SO VERY EXACT, PRETTY MUCH THE EXACT SAME USES HERE.
YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL, UH, OR RETAIL SERVICE OFFICE AND SMALL SCALE RESIDENTIAL.
BUT THE ONE THING THAT WE DID DO HERE WAS RECOMMEND THE BUILDINGS TO BE SLIGHTLY SMALLER IN SCALE.
SO TWO STORE UP TO TWO STORIES.
AND THAT WAS TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WHERE FOLKS WANTED SMALL SCALE BUILDINGS, THERE A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT LARGE SCALE BUILDINGS THAT DIDN'T FIT CONTEXTUALLY, SO THAT'S WHAT, WHAT DROVE THAT SLIGHTLY,
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UH, SMALLER HEIGHT, BUT REALLY THE SAME, SAME USES AND THE SAME APPROACH TOWARDS THE, THE MIXED USE CORE JUST TO THE NORTH MIXED USE COMMERCIAL.THIS IS, UH, WHERE WE HAVE THE INTERCHANGE, THERE'S A LOT OF USES THERE ALREADY, A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AUTOCENTRIC USES.
SO BY THAT WE, WE PLACES WHERE FOLKS ARE GETTING THEIR CAR, THEY'RE EITHER COMING OFF THE, THE INTERSTATES AT THE INTERCHANGE OR THEY'RE DRIVING TO IT, UH, TO ACCESS GOODS AND SERVICES.
SO, UH, THIS IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE SOME LARGER BUILDINGS, UM, JUST BY NATURE WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE.
SO WHERE YOU DO HAVE A LARGER BUILDING, WE WOULD WANT TO RECOMMEND LARGER SETBACKS.
UH, AND SO HERE WE HAVE AGAIN, USES IN THIS MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AREA OF RETAIL AND SERVICE LODGING, ENTERTAINMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, UH, TO FURTHER SOME OF THE PATTERNS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING IN THAT AREA.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPERTIES, THERE'S SOME LARGE, UH, TRACKS OF LAND.
UH, THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THIS, THESE WOULD BE EMPLOYMENT FOCUSED AREAS, UH, HIGH CONCENTRATION OF JOBS, AND SO WE WANTED TO BRING THAT FORWARD FROM PREVIOUS COUNTY PLANNING EFFORTS.
UH, THIS IS WHERE WE RECOMMEND THE COUNTY DEVELOP A, A STRATEGIC BUSINESS PLAN TO, TO IDENTIFY THOSE TARGET INDUSTRIES AND EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND INCENTIVE INCENTIVES AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO, TO BRING THOSE, UH, TO REALLY CAPITALIZE ON THAT OPPORTUNITY THERE.
UH, AS WELL AS SOME OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE SURROUNDING REGION RIGHT AROUND THERE.
UM, NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, IT, IT, THIS IS KIND OF THIS IDEA OF TRANSITIONING AWAY FROM THE MIXED USE CORE.
SO THIS IS WHERE, UH, OUR FIRST RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY WHERE YOU MAY HAVE, UH, MORE OF A VARIETY OF HOME TYPES, SLIGHTLY SMALLER LOTS, UH, MORE OF THE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT CAN CONNECT INTO THAT MIXED USE CORE OR, OR THE MIXED USE TRANSITIONAL THAT ARE JUST ADJACENT TO IT.
UM, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE STREET, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN AS YOU RADIATE OUT TOWARDS THE EDGES OF THE, THE SMALL AREA PLAN, YOU HAVE YOUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE, WITH THE CURRENT COMP PLAN, UH, DESIGNATIONS OF THESE LARGER HOME SITES, LARGER SETBACKS AS YOU TRANSITION TO THE RURAL AREA, JUST BEYOND, UH, THE SMALL AREA PLAN BOUNDARY.
WITH THAT, WE ALSO, UH, TRIED TO CREATE THESE, UH, DIAGRAMS FOR THE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES, TOWNHOMES, DUPLEXES, SINGLE FAMILY CLUSTER, UM, THE TOWN HOME TOWN.
AND AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY TO THE LARGER LOTS THAT'S WORKING YOUR WAY OUTSIDE OF THE SMALL AREA PLAN.
AND SO WE RELATE THESE BACK TO THE DIFFERENT, UH, LAND USE DESIGNATIONS SO THAT THERE IS, AGAIN, THAT GUIDE AS DEVELOPMENTS COME FORTH AS TO WHERE THEY ARE, IF THEY'RE APPROPRIATE IN THOSE PARTICULAR, UH, DESIGNATIONS.
WE ALSO IDENTIFIED SOME LAND USE REGULATORY CONTROLS.
SO WE HAVE AN INTENT, A CHART HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE INTENT OF EACH OF EACH, UH, LAND USE DESIGNATION.
WE LIST THE PRIMARY AND THE SECONDARY USES FOR THEM, UH, AND THEN HOW IT RELATES TO THE EXISTING ZONING THAT THE COUNTY HAS, RECOGNIZING THAT SOME OF THE, THE ZONING CATEGORIES MAY NEED TO BE AMENDED, PARTICULARLY SOME OF THE MIXED USE CATEGORIES TO REALLY PROMOTE THAT SMALL SCALE INFIELD DEVELOPMENT.
IN SOME OF THOSE MIXED USE AREAS, UH, THERE MAY BE SOME MODIFICATIONS NEEDED.
SO WE ALSO EMPHASIZE, UH, THE IDEA, UH, OF IMPROVING SOME OF THE ENTRANCE, QUARTER OVERLAYS AND DESIGN STANDARDS TO REALLY START TO GET INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS AND THAT LANDSCAPING TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT AS, AS, AS THIS PLAN CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD, AND YOU GET AN IMPLEMENTATION THAT THAT, THAT IT DOES END UP MEETING THE, THE, THE PARTICULAR STYLE OF BUILDING AND ARCHITECTURE, UH, THAT'S DESIRED BY THE COMMUNITY.
UH, AND THEN THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD COME WITH THAT.
UH, WITH, WITHIN EACH CHAPTER THERE IS MULTIPLE PRIORITIES THAT HAVE BEEN LISTED.
SO AT THE END WE BRING THAT ALL TOGETHER, UH, AND KIND OF LIST IT SO THAT THE COUNTY HAS A, A QUICK ROADMAP, A GUIDE TO LOOK AT ALL THESE, UH, DIFFERENT PRIORITIES AND CAN IMPLEMENT THEM OVER TIME AS, AS OPPORTUNITIES BECOME AVAILABLE, UM, IF THEY'RE BROKEN DOWN BY CATEGORY.
UH, AND HOPEFULLY IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR THESE TO BE IMPLEMENTED OVER TIME SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THESE START TO, TO WORK THEIR WAY AND SEE SOME OF THIS COME TO LIFE.
UM, TO WRAP THAT UP, REALLY, UH, UH, AS I, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED THE BOARD IN, UH, MID-JUNE, SO WE'LL BE BACK FOR THAT, UM, PETTING ADDITIONAL WORK AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE.
EXISTING FACILITIES, UH, ALONG TWO 50, UH, FIT INTO THE PLAN.
UM, SOME OF WHOM MAY NOT HAVE ANY, UM, IMMEDIATE PLANS TO VACATE BECAUSE, UH, RIGHT THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TWO 50, UM, THERE'S AN AUTO DEALER BANK AND A GAS STATION.
UH, AND ON THE NORTH SIDE YOU HAVE SOME FAST FOOD PLACES.
YOU HAVE THE BROADVIEW SHOPPING CENTER MM-HMM.
SO, SO FOR INSTANCE, MANNEQUIN TOWN ALREADY BEING APPROVED IS WHAT LED US, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S A LOT OF THOSE IMAGES THAT WE LOOKED THROUGH WERE THREE STORY, KIND OF THE, THE MUL MIXED USE, UH, FEEL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE REALLY WENT WITH THE, THE, UH, THE, THE THREE STORY APPROACH THERE, RECOGNIZING THAT THAT MAYBE SHOULD BE MORE, A LITTLE MORE INTENSIVE, UH, AS FAR AS BUILDING HEIGHT AND BUILDING FORM TO MATCH WHAT'S APPROVED SO THAT IT ALL, ALL ALL TIES TOGETHER.
UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AS YOU MENTIONED THERE, THERE IS A LOT OF ONE STORY COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW WITH THE GAS STATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, YOU ALSO HAVE SOME TOPOGRAPHY CHANGES AS IT DROPS OFF THE ROAD.
AND SO WE WANTED TO, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, AS IT TRANSITIONS SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS BEHIND IT
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DIDN'T FEEL AS IF THEY WERE STARING UP AT A LARGE SCALE BUILDING.UM, BUT WANTED TO ALSO ALSO RECO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ALREADY THERE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY, WHY, WHY IT WAS KEPT WITH THAT MIXED USE DESIGNATION.
JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UH, YOU DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT BEHIND IT.
UH, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DROPPED IT DOWN ONE STORY WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UH, IN THE FUTURE, IF A PROPOSAL CAME FORWARD, IT WOULD HAVE TO EXACTLY MEET THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS AGAIN, A GUIDE, UH, AND THE UNIQUE DEVELOPMENTS COULD COME FORTH AND BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT, BUT IT'S JUST REALLY THIS, THIS, TRYING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CONTEXT OF WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
I, ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT A WEEK AGO WITH A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS, UM, AND I KNOW THAT PROBABLY HASN'T BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THESE PLANS YET.
BUT IS THERE INTENTION TO INCORPORATE THOSE COMMENTS IN HERE, EITHER BY ADDENDUM OR ATTACHMENT TO IT? HOW, HOW, HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST PUBLIC MEETING? CORRECT.
SO WHAT I, WHAT I, WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS WE WANT JUST CERTAINLY GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS THE COMMISSION.
UM, THESE, THESE, THESE PLANS HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED AS THEY ARE MM-HMM.
SO, UH, BASED ON, ON MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S BEST TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GET THE FEEDBACK.
AND THEN IF THE BOARD DIRECTS, UH, SPECIFIC CHANGES, THAT'S THE TIME TO, TO DO THAT.
BUT WE ALSO WANT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BEFORE WE START MAKING CHANGES SO THAT WE CAN PREVENT GOING BACK AND FORTH, UH, GET A FULL, UH, ALL, ALL THE COMMENTS THAT ARE, THEY'RE APPLICABLE, THAT WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE THE, THE FULL PICTURE.
I WILL SAY WE HAVE, WE CERTAINLY HAVE DOCUMENTED THE COMMENTS THAT WERE HEARD, UH, AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS OF BOTH OF THEM.
SO WE, WE DO HAVE THAT FOR REFERENCE AND WE'RE RECORDING COMMENTS FROM TONIGHT AS WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY.
AND, AND THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TIMMONS PRESENTING TO YOU AND THE BOARD, THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, WHICH OF COURSE IS APPROPRIATE, BUT THE COMMENTS WOULD NEVER BECOME A PART OF THE COMP PLAN.
UM, AND AS, UM, WAS, WAS ONCE THESE ARE ADVERTISED, THERE ARE SOME LEGAL REQUIREMENTS ABOUT STAYING WITHIN CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF WHAT YOU'VE ADVERTISED OR YOU SIMPLY HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE IF THE CHANGES ARE, AND THE NATURE THAT WOULD, WOULD LEND ITSELF TO REQUIRING RE ADVERTISEMENT.
SO IT'S NOT THAT YOU COULDN'T MAKE CHANGES, BUT CERTAIN CHANGES MAY NOT BE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S ADVERTISED.
SO YOU, INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO DO THEM IN THAT MEETING, YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE TO SAY, WE WANNA MAKE THESE CHANGES, THEN ADVERTISE IN A WAY THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES RE AND HELP AND HOLD ANOTHER MEETING.
ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, I, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE SOUTH BROAD.
I, I HAVE A HARD TIME KIND OF WITH THE TRANSITION ISSUE MM-HMM.
FOR THAT REASON, I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THAT SIDE TO HAVE THE SAME DESIGNATION AS NORTH BROAD.
IT'S A FAIR, FAIR STATEMENT, I THINK.
WE'LL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, WE HAVE A SET OF RESERVE SEATS IN THE FRONT, FIRST TWO ROWS.
SO PEOPLE WHO WANNA SPEAK, I ASK YOU AS THOSE WHO GET VACATED TO SAVE TIME, SOMEBODY MOVES UP IN THAT POSITION.
UH, MS. PARKER, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LIGHTS? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, THE FRONT ROW HAS BEEN RESERVED FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK.
CITIZENS ARE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO COMMENT ON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN THE GREEN LIGHT COMES ON.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
WHEN THE YELLOW LIGHT COMES ON, YOU HAVE 60 SECONDS REMAINING.
AND WHEN THE YELLOW LIGHT FLASHES CONTINUOUSLY, YOU'LL HAVE 30 SECONDS REMAINING.
WHEN THE RED LIGHT BLINKS, YOUR TIME IS UP.
MY NAME IS, I ALSO ASK THAT, UH, YOU PLEASE TRY NOT TO BE RED.
UM, NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANNA SPEAK TONIGHT AND WE DON'T PARTICULARLY WANT TO HEAR THE SAME THING
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I LIVE AT 1505 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
I'M HERE NOT ON MY OWN RECORD.
I AM HERE REPRESENTING THE APPROXIMATELY 80 ACRES SOUTH OF BROAD STREET THAT YOU GUYS HAD JUST MENTIONED.
UM, THAT 80 ACRES, UH, IS CURRENTLY ZONED.
THE MAJORITY OF IT IS BUSINESS.
WE HAVE MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS, WE HAVE A GYM.
UM, JAMES RIVER LEASING IS ONE OF THE OWNERS AND KIUS AS THE OTHER.
JAMES RIVER LEASING WAS, UH, THE LARGEST EMPLOYER IN CENTERVILLE.
THEY HAVE THEIR GYM ON THE SOUTH SIDE ABROAD.
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BUILDING.WE HAD ALWAYS DETERMINED TO CREATE THAT BUFFER THAT THE PEOPLE, UH, TO THE SOUTH, THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS WE HAVE OAK GROVE AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, THE PARK AT CENTERVILLE.
WE HAVE A 200 FOOT WOODED AREA, UH, THAT WOULD BUFFER THAT ALONG THE CREEK AND ALONG, UM, THE SEWER LINE.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT A FEW THINGS AND THEN I KNOW THERE'S A LOT TO SAY, BUT, UM, THE PROPERTY SOUTH ABROAD HAS BEEN ZONED B ONE SINCE 1969.
IT'S THE HEART OF CENTERVILLE.
UH, THESE PROPERTIES SOUTH ABROAD WERE IMPLEMENT IN PROVIDING THE ORIGINAL EASEMENTS TO THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT AND TO THE WIDENING OF BROAD STREET TO LIMIT THE USES SOUTH ABROAD AND INCREASE THE OPPORTUNITIES NORTH NEEDS MORE EXPLANATION.
EXPANDING THE CORE IS REASONABLE, BUT REMOVING PROPERTY FROM WITHIN THE CORE WITHOUT A CONVERSATION IS NOT.
THE T C S D GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES AVAILABLE THAT ARE GOOD FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND BRING THEIR BUSINESSES TO NOT MINIMAL.
AND THEN FINALLY, AS MR. RAFF SAID, THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MIXED USE AND MIXED JUICE TRANSITION.
THE HEIGHT IS A BIG ONE AND THE HEIGHT BASICALLY LIMITS YOU TO LAYING OUT TOWN HOMES.
YOU CAN ONLY FIT UP TO SIX TOWN HOMES PER ACRE BASED ON A ONE OR TWO STORY, UH, ELEVATION.
AND SO BASED ON THAT, THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY WILL HAVE TO COME WAY DOWN BASED ON ITS CURRENT ASSESSMENT.
AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YOU CAN DO A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN DO A THREE STORY, WHICH IS WAY, WAY, WAY FAR BACK OFF OF ROCKE HILL ROAD, BUT WE CAN ONLY DO TWO STORY ON BROAD.
SO I ASK AND I REQUEST, AND I HUMBLY BEG YOU TO PLEASE PUT THE AREA SOUTH OF ROD BETWEEN MANNEQUIN AND HOCKETT BACK IN THE CORE AND ALLOW US ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT EXIST.
AND THEN YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT CAN BE BUILT THERE.
THANK YOU MR. MY NAME'S WESLEY BURTON.
UH, I LIVE OFF OF ROCKFORD ROAD AND ROCKVILLE ROAD IS GETTING MORE AND MORE CONGESTED FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF CENTERVILLE.
YOU'VE GOT THE ROCKVILLE INDUSTRIAL CENTER, YOU GOT THOSE VEHICLES COMING DOWN TRYING TO GET ON 64.
THERE'S A YIELD THAT WAS CHANGED.
NOW THIS PROBABLY IS A V DOT ISSUE, BUT IT'S A MAIN ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S AN ARTERY.
AND TO GET ON I 64 TO GO EAST, THERE'S A YIELD SIGN AND I HAVE TO STOP WHILE ALL THESE VEHICLES FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PARK TRY TO GET ONTO 64.
CAUSE IT SAYS YIELD CARS BEHIND ME ARE HONKING HORNS BECAUSE THEY'RE ON ASHLAND ROAD SITTING WAITING FOR ME TO GO AND WAIT FOR THESE OTHER VEHICLES TO GET ONTO I 64.
THE SECOND THING IS, IS THAT FROM THE MAP THAT I HAD LOOKED AT AND I DOWNLOADED THE PLANS FOR BOTH COURTHOUSE AND FOR, UM, CENTERVILLE, THAT BEING OFF ICE, UH, ROCKFORD ROAD CLOSE TO I 64 AND ASHLAND ROAD, I SAID THERE WAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A LOT OF COMMERCIAL OR MAYBE RESIDENTIAL SPACE WHERE IT USED TO BE FIELD DAY OF THE PAST AND ALSO CONNECTING THREE CHOPPED ROAD FROM BROAD STREET, AND THERE'S PLANS ON GOING UNDER 2 88 CONTINUING ONTO ASHLAND ROAD AT ROCKVILLE ROAD, WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC IS THAT GONNA PROPOSE? THERE IS ONLY A STOP SIGN RIGHT NOW, AND DURING RUSH HOUR TIMES, THERE ARE MANY, MANY CARS THAT ARE TRYING TO GET ON ASHLAND ROAD AND THEY CANNOT IN A ORDERLY FASHION BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC.
OH, DO YOU WANNA KEEP GOING? NO, NO.
DID I JUST PAY FOR THE LIGHTS? UM, HI, I'M KY EILEEN MCGINNIS AND I LIVE IN OAK GROVE ESTATES.
UM, AND AS MR. GAZER SAID, UM, IT IS THE AREA RIGHT ABOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE HEART OF MANNEQUIN.
IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE MOVED TO THIS AREA.
WE LOVE IT SO MUCH AND I LOVE LIVING HERE.
UM, I HAVE MANY CONCERNS, UM, WITH
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THE NEW PLANS, BUT I ALSO LOVE AND VALUE THE BENEFITS OF GROWTH.I JUST THINK THAT IT IS VERY RESPECTABLE TO DO IT MODESTLY, AND I WANNA SEE THIS AREA BECOME SOMEPLACE THAT EVERYBODY CAN ENJOY.
UM, I HUMBLY BEG YOU NOT TO APPROVE THREE STORIES ON THIS SIDE ABROAD.
I UNDERSTAND, AS I JUST MENTIONED, THE BENEFIT OF GROWTH AND THE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN AND KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF WHERE WE ARE NOW AND WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, TAKING AWAY THOSE VIEWS AND CREATING THE SPACE FOR EXTRA TRAFFIC AND OTHER CHAINS COMING IN.
UM, AND THERE'S ALREADY PATHWAYS THAT ARE BEING, YOU KNOW, UH, PUT IN FRONT OF YOU TO BE BUILT RIGHT BEHIND MY ENTIRE BACKYARD FOR MY YOUNG KIDS ARE GONNA HAVE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE ACCESSING US FROM ALL DIRECTIONS.
AND THE REASON WE MOVE TO WHERE WE ARE IS FOR THE PRIVACY AND THE RURAL LOVE THAT THIS AREA HAS.
NOW, IF WE REALLY WANTED TO BE AWAY FROM ALL OF IT, WE COULD HAVE MOVED FURTHER IN, BUT WE AREN'T THERE.
AND AGAIN, WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ALL OF THIS ACCESS.
HOWEVER, WE JUST WANT IT DONE RESPECTFULLY AND MODESTLY AND TO MAINTAIN THAT INTEGRITY.
SO IT'S REALLY ALL I HAD TO SAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LAY THAT OUT THERE.
HI, MY NAME IS CHRISTINE CARTER.
UM, A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT 2 88 AND BROAD STREET.
I'VE MET WITH YOU GUYS BEFORE TO TALK ABOUT THE GOLAND GOODWILL.
UM, I WAS AT ALL THE OTHER MEETINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE THE SLICE OF THE PIE THAT EVERYONE KEEPS RUNNING BY.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE LAST MEETING, AS I EXPRESSED AS I HAVE AT EVERY MEETING IS THE TRAFFIC.
AS A YOUNG LADY JUST EXPRESSED HERSELF, I LEARNED FROM TOM COLEMAN THAT THE LAST TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE IN 2021.
NOW I'M SURE ALL OF YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO ALL OF US IN 2021.
AND I KNOW PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WERE SITTING AT HOME AND COULDN'T DRIVE.
ISN'T THAT A PERFECT TIME TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY AND PRESENT IT TO YOU THAT WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS, WE'VE GOT IT ALL UNDER HAND.
NO, SIR, THEY DO NOT HAVE IT IN HAND.
WHAT YOU NEED IS A CURRENT TRAFFIC STUDY BEFORE ANYONE PRESENTS A PLAN TO YOU AND TRIES TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE, OH, WE'VE GOT IT ALL FIGURED OUT.
THERE'S NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER.
I EVEN SUGGESTED TO TOM COLEMAN THAT HE GET A CUP OF COFFEE AND GO TO THAT CHURCH RIGHT THERE AT 2 88 IN BROAD AND DRINK HIS MORNING COFFEE AND COUNT THEM WITH A LITTLE COUNTER.
AND THEN TELL ME IF IT MATCHES WHAT HE SAW IN 2021.
WE HAVE NEIGHBORS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WERE IN ACCIDENTS, SERIOUS ACCIDENTS, AND EVEN ONE DIED.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE RIGHT THERE AT 2 88 IN BROAD, THERE IS A WREATH AS A MARKER, AND I'M A MEMBER OF THAT LADY THAT WAS GONE.
SO I BEG UP ALL OF YOU TO ASK FOR A STUDY THAT IS CURRENT BEFORE ANY DECISIONS ARE MADE.
I LIVE IN WHEATLAND, UH, WHEATLAND DRIVE, AND I WAS GONNA GIVE MY THREE MINUTES TO MY HUSBAND.
OKAY, IF I COULD, I'VE THE, UH, COLOR CODED MAP PUT UP PLEASE AND MAYBE WANNA LOOK AT THE MATRIX THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
I LIVE AT 2262 WHEATLAND DRIVE, MANNEQUIN SABBA.
AND THIS PICTURE, I THINK IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.
THE SMALL AREA PLANT IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME, IN MY OPINION.
FIRST, THE HILL STUDIO AND THE TIMMONS VERSIONS RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM ALL THREE, UH, MIXED USES AND REMAIN ON THE TWO RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE GOLDEN TAN.
I ASKED WHY THIS WAS DONE, AND THEY SAID BECAUSE THE, UH, DOCUMENT HERE IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE AND THE DENSITY VALUES SHOULD BE IN THE ORDINANCE.
WELL, IF THAT'S TRUE, AND FOR CONSISTENCY, THE NUMBER ONE THROUGH FOUR FOR GOLD AND LESS THAN TWO FOR RESIDENTIAL SHOULD BE REMOVED ALSO.
THAT'S BECAUSE COLORS ARE CONCEPTS, NUMBERS ARE NOT, THEY'RE REAL, AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOOK AT 'EM AND THEY SEE ONE TO FOUR, THEY'RE GONNA CHOOSE FOUR ALSO.
UH, IN THIS, YOU'LL NOTICE THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER IS GOLD.
CURRENTLY IN THE COMP PLAN, THIS AREA, UH, HAS BEEN ADDED AS BASICALLY A SUBURBAN DENSITY PRIOR TO THIS.
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THE ONLY, UH, SUBURBAN DENSITY NORTH OF BROAD STREET IS BELLEVUE GARDENS.OKAY, SO THIS DENSITY IN UPPER LEFT HAND CORNERS WRONG FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE IS IT SHOWS TUCKO BRIDGE IS TAN AND GOLD.
WELL, IT'S BEEN APPROVED AS MEDIUM DENSITY ONE, ONE, UH, AVERAGE UNIT PER ACRE.
AND THAT, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S R P U D, IT'S STILL A MEN MINIMUM, UH, DENSITY.
AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT MOVES RESIDENTIAL DENSITY TO THIS AREA THAT'S HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT R P U D.
THE SECOND IS THAT IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER THAT, UH, IS ADJACENT TO FARMLAND AND I 64, IT'S 136 ACRES.
CURRENTLY IT'S IN, IT'S, IT'S, UH, MEDIUM DENSITY JUST LIKE TUCKO BRIDGE WAS.
AND UNDER THIS, IT'S, IT'S, UH, DESIGNATED, UH, THE GOLD, WHICH IS THE HIGHER DENSITY.
THIS IS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN.
PROVISION FOR DENSITY SHOULD BE TAPERED FROM THE CORE TO FARMLAND THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE BOUNDARIES.
THIS PUTS R P U D MINIMUM DENSITY, UH, RIGHT UP AGAINST FARMLAND THERE ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY.
SO THAT THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING ACCORDING TO THE COMP PLAN.
NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, AND I KNOW IT'S A CONCEPT, BUT EACH ONE OF THESE LISTED FUTURE USES HAVE TOWN HOMES AND MULTI-FAMILY, UH, UNITS LISTED IN EVERY SINGLE ONE.
I FIND IT IRONIC THAT TALK ABOUT SMALL SUBDIVISION WHEN EVERY SINGLE ONE, UH, INCLUDES TOWN HOMES AND, AND MULTI, UH, FAMILY UNITS.
EVEN THE GRAY HAS TOWN HOMES, OR I'M SORRY, MULTI U MULTI-FAMILY USES AS A SECONDARY FOR THE OTHERS IS PRIMARY.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, WHEN YOU LOOK AT RED, YOU SHOULD THINK OF HUNDREDS OF THREE STORY TOWN HOMES AND MULTI-FAMILY UNITS NORTH ABROAD FROM THE SYCAMORE CREEK SUBDIVISION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BELLEVUE GARDENS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT PINK, YOU SHOULD THINK FOUR STORY TOWN HOMES AND MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT GOLD, YOU SHOULD LOOK, YOU SHOULD THINK THREE STORY TOWN HOMES AND MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.
IF YOU THINK READERS BRANCH HAS HOMES PACKED INTO IT AT 2.5, WAITING UNTIL IT GETS GREATER THAN THE CURRENT M P U D OF GREATER THAN SIX.
ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORANGE, THAT ALSO INCLUDES TWO STORY TOWN HOMES AND MULTI-FAMILY.
I, I JUST FIND IT IRONIC THAT THEY MENTIONED DOWNSIZING, RESIDENTIAL, AND ALL OF THEM INCLUDE TOWN HOMES AND MULTI MULTI-UNITS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HUNDREDS OF TOWN HOMES, MANY THREE AND FOUR STORY.
SO YOU CAN THINK OF WEGMANS AND SHORT PUMP.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT POTENTIALLY IS IN OUR FUTURE.
IF THIS DOCUMENT IS USED AS A GUIDE TO DRIVE REQUESTS TO CHANGE ZONING, AND WHEN IT COMES BEFORE YOU, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT TOWN HOMES AND MULTI-FAMILY UNITS ARE IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE ZONES.
SO IT'LL, IT'LL GET PUSHED THROUGH AND THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL THEN STRUGGLE ALSO WITH ALL THESE TOWN HOMES.
BUT THE COMP PLAN SAYS IT'S A PRIMARY USE, SO IT'S GOOD TO GO.
SO, SO I HOPE I'VE MADE MY POINT ON EACH ONE OF THESE COLOR DESTINATIONS THAT INCLUDE TOWN HOMES AND MULTI-FAMILY UNITS IS JUST TOO, TOO MANY TOWN HOMES, TOO MANY PEOPLE, TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, TOO MANY TWO, THREE AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS IN CENTERVILLE, IN GOLAND.
THAT THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF WHAT ALL THE PUBLIC CONCERN AND FEEDBACK HAS BEEN AT ALL OF THESE MEETINGS.
SO, SO I CAN ONLY REQUEST THAT YOU REMOVE THE TOWN HOMES AND MIXED USE TRANSITION AND FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND DETERMINE IF CORE AND COMMERCIAL SHOULD HAVE TOWN HOMES.
SO IF THE ISSUES THAT ARE EXPRESSED HERE TONIGHT ARE NOT RESOLVED, THEN CENTERVILLE WILL BE NO DIFFERENT THAN SHORT PALM.
SO PLEASE DEFER THIS ITEM UNTIL THESE DETAILS ARE FIXED.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE DEVELOPED A ROAD
I, UH, MY WIFE AND I MARRIAGE, HOWEVER MOVED HERE FROM ENRICO COUNTY BECAUSE WE GOT SCARED OF SHORT.
WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? I'M SORRY.
IT'S, UH, ONE RED FOX ROAD MANNEQUIN SABA.
UM, LET ME EXPLAIN FIRST OF ALL TO YOU THAT WHEN WE MOVED HERE, IT'S INTERESTING.
WE WERE TOLD ABOUT THE VILLAGE CONCEPT, THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
WE UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY NEEDS TO DEVELOP COMPACTED AREAS, ECONOMIC, RESIDENTIAL TO BUILD THE REAL ESTATE TAX BASE, PROVIDE SERVICE.
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BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN A HALF MILE OF BROAD STREET, NORTH OR SOUTH DON'T CONSIDER THEMSELVES.YET, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS MAP, AND THIS IS MY BIGGEST THING TO SHOW YOU HOW THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH THESE DESIGNS AND PROPOSALS, IS THEY HAVE, I REALLY QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT ANYBODY WITH TIMMONS HAS DRIVEN DOWN ALL OF MINUTE ROAD AND HERMITAGE ROAD, BECAUSE I LOOKED AT IT AND THE SIDE, THE SIDEWALK IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF MANNEQUIN ROAD JUST DRIVING OVER HERE AND I LIVE LITERALLY THREE MILES FROM BROAD STREET, OKAY? THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS GOING FROM HALF OF MANNEQUIN ROAD ACROSS BROAD STREET ALL THE WAY TO HERMITAGE ROAD, THEN DOWN HERMITAGE ROAD.
OKAY, LET ME POINT OUT TO THE COUNTY IF YOU WANNA RECOMMEND THIS.
OUR ROADS AND RURAL AREAS DRAIN INTO GUTTERS.
THOSE GUTTERS ARE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA END UP HAVING TO PUT YOUR SIDEWALKS FROM MY STRETCH FROM THREE MILES TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.
THAT WILL INVOLVE PROBABLY AROUND 35 MAILBOXES, 20 TELEPHONE OR ELECTRIC POLES, A WHOLE BUNCH OF ELECTRICAL AND CABLE TV BOXES, AND THEN FRANKLY, PROBABLY HUNDREDS, MAYBE CLOSE TO A THOUSAND TREES WHEN YOU INCLUDE HERMITAGE BECAUSE THOSE TREES HAVE GROWN UP OVER THAT.
NOW, I DARE SAY I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER IN SHORT PUMP WALKING ON ALL THESE SIDEWALKS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THREE, FIVE MILES AWAY FROM THE CORE IS GOING TO CREATE WALKABILITY, BUT IT'S NOT GOOD PLANNING AND IT'S A WASTE OF THE COUNTY'S MONEY.
I'D RATHER PUT IT INTO OUR SERVICES, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS OR WHATEVER, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.
BUT I'LL ALSO TELL YOU WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS MORE AND HEARD SOME, LITERALLY WHAT YOU'VE GOT IS A COOKIE PLATE.
I LOVE THE PICTURE AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL THESE BEAUTIFUL WHITE HOME WITH WHITE FENCES.
I LIVE IN AN AREA WITH HORSE FARMS, VINEYARDS, ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO SIX ACRES, MAYBE SOME MORE.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S, THAT'S GREAT IN THE PICTURE THAT THEY START WITH, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS.
THERE'S SOME DECEPTION THERE AS WELL.
SO I REALLY QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT YOU'VE GOTTEN A COOKIE PUT.
BUT SOMETHING'S WRONG WHEN YOU'VE GOT PROPOSALS IN RURAL AREAS OF FARMS IN THE STATES OF THAT SIZE THAT ARE GONNA REQUIRE THAT MUCH TO PUT SIDEWALKS THAT WILL NEVER BE USED.
MY NAME IS JOSETTE COSTELLO AND I LIVE ON SYCAMORE CREEK DRIVE IN MANNEQUIN SABBA.
MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT WITH CHURCH AND OTHER PRIOR COMMITMENTS.
HOW MANY OF YOU REMEMBER THE FARM THAT USED TO BE WHERE THE SHORT PUMP VILLAGE NOW SITS? I USED TO ENJOY SEEING THE COWS GRAZING IN THE FIELDS ON MY WAY HOME WHEN I LIVED IN SHORT PUMP 20 YEARS AGO.
NOW IT'S FULL OF PARKING DECKS, COMMERCIAL SPACES, APARTMENTS, AND TOWNHOUSES.
WHEN WILL THIS LAND RETURN TO BEING AN OPEN SPACE? NOT IN OUR LIFETIMES AND PROBABLY NEVER FOREVER BURDENED WITH FRANCHISES, BLACKTOPS AND NOISE.
THESE DECISIONS THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING TONIGHT HAVE PERMANENT CONSEQUENCES.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THIS RIGHT AND PRESERVE WHAT MAKES THE CENTERVILLE AND MANNEQUIN SABBA AREAS UNIQUE OPEN VIEWS OF ROLLING HILLS, WETLANDS, AND RECREATION.
COMMUNITY NEEDS SHOULD DRIVE THESE DECISIONS AND NOT THE DESIRES OF DEVELOPERS, MANY OF WHOM DON'T LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
MY FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS WHO COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT ALSO OPPOSE THE CHANGES TO THE OPEN SPACE RECREATION DESIGNATION FROM THE 2035 COMP PLAN AND NEWLY PROPOSED WESTWARD EXPANSION OF MIXED USES ZONES.
THESE NEW CHANGES DO NOT CONSIDER COMMUNITY INPUT OR OUR VALUES.
I ASK THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELP TO PRESERVE THE CHARM AND THE CHARACTER THAT WE CURRENTLY ENJOY.
PLEASE VOTE TO DENY OR DEFER THE PROPOSED PLAN.
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GOOD EVENING.I LIVE IN BELLEVUE GARDENS, 12 6 61 FAWN LANE.
AIR NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT IS GOING TO BE THE MOST IMPACTED BY THESE PLANS BECAUSE THE LARGEST SPAN OF BROAD STREET IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, STARTING BY THE FLOOR TRADER GOING DOWN THE MILL ROAD.
I MYSELF MOVED FROM SHORT PUMP AFTER LIVING THERE MY WHOLE LIFE LAST YEAR, THINKING I WAS MOVING TO THE PROMISED LAND IN GLAND.
NOW I'M FINDING OUT IT'S NOT QUITE LIKE THAT.
WITH ALL THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING YOU'RE THINKING OF.
MY HOUSE IS ONLY ONE BLOCK OFF OF BROAD STREET.
I PAID $825,000 FOR THIS PIECE OF PARADISE THAT I WOULD'VE PAID $600,000 FOR IN SHORT PUMP SO THAT I COULD SEE THE STARS AND THE WOODS AND BE AWAY FROM THE SIDEWALKS THEY WERE PUTTING IN SHORT PUMP.
BUT MY BIGGEST HU MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE.
WHEN THE WOODS ARE TAKEN DOWN THAT FACE, BROAD STREET, IT'S GONNA CAUSE SUCH A RUNOFF THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.
WHEN IT RAINS, MY DRIVEWAY TURNS INTO A RIVER.
WHEN I DIG A HOLE TO PLANT A PLANT, THE WATER TABLE IS SO HIGH IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE HOLE FILLS UP WITH WATER.
MY BACKYARD HALFWAY BACK IS LIKE THE WETLANDS AND THERE'S A CREEK THAT RUNS THE BACK PART OF MY PROPERTY.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DROWNING BACK THERE, LIKE IN A FLOOD PLANE BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY OF THE WOODS ARE GONNA BE TAKEN AWAY.
SO IF SOMEONE CAN GET ME, UH, THE PLANS FOR THE ENVIRONMENTALLY, WHAT PEOPLE SAID THAT IT WAS OKAY TO DO THESE KIND OF PLANS AND TAKE AWAY THE DENSITY OF THE WOODS, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME.
I GUESS EVERYONE ELSE IS BROKEN.
I LIVE AT 1510 OAK GROVE IN OAK GROVE ESTATES.
UM, WHICH AS I UNDERSTAND IT WAS THE FIRST HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN OAK GROVE ESTATES.
UM, I STAY IN SOLIDARITY WITH MOST OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAS BEEN SAID.
UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES, THERE'S SCHOOL ISSUES, UM, AND JUST THE CHARACTER OF WHERE WE LIVE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A PUB THAT FELT LIKE HOME.
IT CHANGES WHEN YOU CROSS THE HENRICO LINE DE GLAND, THE SKY CHANGES.
THE SUNSETS ARE BEAUTIFUL, EVEN AT THE FOOD LINE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, UM, IT'S A TRUE THING THOUGH.
UM, LIKE KY EILEEN SAID, WHERE WE LIVE IS JUST REALLY SPECIAL, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW FAMILIES WHERE WE LIVE.
IN FACT, MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORS COULDN'T COME BECAUSE WE'RE YOUNG MOMS. OKAY? NOT SO YOUNG.
OUR KIDS ARE YOUNG AND WE HAD 'EM A LITTLE LATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, HOME WITH THE BABIES AT 40, IT'S AN, IT'S, HEY, IT'S 2023.
BUT, UM, WE'RE YOUNG AND WE, WE UNDERSTAND GROWTH.
WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR, UM, TAX REVENUE FOR CHANGE.
I'M NOT STANDING UP HERE SAYING NEVER CHANGE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, LET'S MAKE IT SPECIAL.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT LITERALLY LOOKS LIKE EVERY OTHER ONE ON THE PLANET.
WE CAN DO SOMETHING REALLY NEAT.
WE CAN HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A BOUTIQUE MOTEL, FOR EXAMPLE, OR HOTEL WHERE PEOPLE WANNA COME.
WE DON'T WANNA BE IN COMPETITION WITH SHORT PUMP.
I KNOW I LOOK LIKE I'M ON A STARBUCKS.
I WOULD LOVE A LOCAL COFFEE SHOP.
I'D LOVE, UM, I MEAN, HEY, I'M, WHAT ABOUT CROWDFUNDING? SOME STUFF THAT OUR COMMUNITY WOULD REALLY LIKE, LEARNING ABOUT SCC REGULATIONS.
WE GOT SOME THINGS TO WORK ON, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE WE COULD REALLY HAVE OUR COMMUNITY INVOLVED.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR DEVELOPMENT AND FOR, UM, WANTING TO MAKE THE MOST OF, OF THE LAND THAT THE DEVELOPERS OWNED.
BUT WE'VE ALSO PAID A LOT OF MONEY TO LIVE HERE, AND WE HAVE, BECAUSE IT'S SPECIAL.
UM, I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING JUST REALLY DIFFERENT, REALLY NEAT, AND JUST, I, I KEEP GOING BACK TO SPECIAL BUT CHARMING.
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AN ARCHITECT BACKGROUND.WE'LL BRING IT IN AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, BUT I HOPE THAT, WE'LL, THAT WE'LL CONSIDER THAT INSTEAD OF JUST GOING AND, AND I, I KNOW THAT THE INTENT OF THE TIMMONS GROUP WAS NICE TO CREATE THIS, BUT IT'S NOT HITTING HOME FOR ME.
AND WE NEED IT TO HIT HOME CUZ THIS IS HOME.
MY NAME IS PAUL COSTELLO AND I LIVE AT 2011 SYCAMORE CREEK DRIVE IN MANNEQUIN SABBA, THE SYCAMORE CREEK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IN A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS ARE OPPOSED TO THE SANDOVAL VILLAGE LAND USE MAP.
SHOWN ON PAGE 31 OF REVIEW MEETING PACKAGE, IT'S ON YOUR SCREEN.
STAFF INFORMED US LAST WEEK THAT SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WERE MADE RECENTLY MADE TO THE LAND USE MAP WITHOUT ANY COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT OR LANDHOLDER INVOLVEMENT.
GIVEN THAT WE'VE JUST HAD A FEW DAYS TO RESPOND, WE ARE PRIORITIZING OUR TIME TONIGHT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO A FEW OF THESE SURPRISING CHANGES.
SPECIFICALLY, CORE VILLAGE BORDERS WERE EXPANDED WESTWARD TO THE POINT THAT THERE IS NO LONGER A TRANSITION AREA BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND MIXED VIEWS.
LARGE AREAS OF RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE WERE ALSO REMOVED.
THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FROM THE 2035 COMP PLAN AND OUR COUNTER TO THE CORE OBJECTIVES AND SHARED UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'VE BEEN COLLECTIVELY WORKING ON SINCE THE START OF THIS PLANNING PROCESS.
THERE WAS CLEARLY A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY ABOUT HOW SOME PARCELS WERE JUST RECENTLY CHANGED TO MIXED USE THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY OUTSIDE OF THE CORE VILLAGE BOUNDARIES AND THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
WE RECOMMEND THAT NEEDED TRANSITION SPACE BE ADDED BACK INTO THE LAND MAP BETWEEN MIXED USE AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
PROTECT TO PROTECT THE USE AND ENJOYMENT OF OUR PROPERTY.
ASHLEY JUST HANDED OUT A COPY OF THE EMAIL THAT WE HAD DISTRIBUTED IN ADVANCE OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
IT SUMMARIZES OUR SPECIFIC CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE ARE ALSO OPPOSED TO HIGH INTENSITY USES SUCH AS LODGING IN THE CENTRAL VILLAGE AREA.
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW LODGING WAS INSERTED INTO THE NEWLY DEFINED LAND USE DESCRIPTIONS WHO APPROVED AND FACILITATED THIS PROPOSED CHANGE AND WHAT AUTHORITY COMMUNITY RESIDENTS DO NOT WANT FRANCHISE HOTELS OFF MANNEQUIN ROAD AND SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE VILLAGE.
HOTELS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO HIGH INTENSITY MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
FURTHER THOUGHT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO SIMPLIFY MIXED USE IN THE CENTRAL VILLAGE AREA.
WE RECOMMEND COMBINING THE TWO ZONES BEING PROPOSED IN THE DRAFT PLAN INTO A SINGLE LESS INTENSE MIXED USE VILLAGE CENTER ZONE.
THIS WILL PROVIDE DESIGN, CONTINUITY, AND EQUITABLE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN THE CENTRAL VILLAGE AREA ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF BROAD STREET.
IN SUMMARY, THIS LAND USE MAP IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PAGE IN THE COMP PLAN.
IF WE DON'T TAKE THE TIME NECESSARY TO GET THE FOUNDATION RIGHT, THEN THIS PLAN WILL FAIL.
ONE WEEK REVIEW PERIOD WITH NO ABILITY TO INCORPORATE COMMUNITY INPUT IS EXTREMELY DISMISSIVE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO RAMP THROUGH CHANGES THAT WOULD DIMINISH OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
THIS APPROACH ERODES CONFIDENCE AND TRUST.
PLEASE VOTE TO DENY OR AT A MINIMUM TO DEFER THE PROPOSED DRAFT PLAN AS IT IS CURRENTLY BEING PRESENTED.
I LIVE ON, UH, 2,201 BREMNER RIDGE CIRCLE.
AND I SPOKE TO PAUL PRIOR TO THIS AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID.
SO I'M GONNA SAVE US ALL A FEW MINUTES BY NOT REPEATING IT AS YOU MADE A PREVIOUS, UM, REQUEST, UH, FOR THE READERS BRANCH AND THE PARK.
AT CENTERVILLE COMMUNITIES, WE DO NOT WANT A PUBLIC PATH DIRECTLY ADJOINING OUR BACKYARDS FOR READERS BRANCH.
THE HOMEOWNERS DO NOT WANT A PATH THAT BISECTS OUR COMMUNITY.
WE'D BE THE ONLY ONES TO HAVE IT BISECTED IF PEOPLE BUY A HOME KNOWING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PATH BEHIND THEIR HOUSE.
I'VE LIVED IN AREAS LIKE THAT AND THEY'RE REALLY A VERY POSITIVE THING.
BUT, UH, NOT WHEN PEOPLE PURCHASE THEIR HOUSE THINKING THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PRIVACY, THINKING THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A CREEK BEHIND THEIR HOUSE AND SUDDENLY IT'S A, UH, IT'S A THROUGHWAY FOR BICYCLES, UM, FOR SADDLE CREEK PARKWAY AND HOCKETT ROAD.
UM, THE, THAT PLAN IS AN IMPROVEMENT IN A LOT OF WAYS.
YOU GOT RID OF THE, UM, THE MISMATCH BETWEEN THE HOCKETT ROAD ALIGNMENT AND WHAT'S AND WHAT SADDLE CREEK WAS GONNA GO.
THE, THE PREVIOUS PLAN HAD A TRAFFIC CIRCLE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FLOODPLAIN
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OF READERS, OF READERS BRANCH.BUT, UM, QUESTION IS, HOW MANY TRAFFIC LANES ARE GOING TO BE ON SADDLE CREEK PARKWAY? UH, IT APPEARS THAT SADDLE.
THAT'LL HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL FOOTAGE ON SLIDE 46.
YOU SAY THAT IT'S GO, IT'S GONNA BE A COLLECTOR AND THAT WOULD IMPLY CLICKER STREET.
THAT WOULD IMPLY ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION WITH PARKING ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREET.
SLIDE 56 SAYS THAT'LL, IT WOULD BE FOUR LANES WITH A MEDIAN.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT CLARIFIED.
UM, THEN THERE'S WHIPPER WILL ROAD WHEN THE READERS BRANCH COMMUNITY HAD A RO.
WHEN THE READERS BRANCH C HAS A ROAD OPEN TO BROAD STREET THROUGH ROAD A, THEN THE WHIPPER WILL ROACH RETURNED TO BEING A QUIET COUNTRY LANE.
AND I SAY, PLEASE LEAVE THOSE PEOPLE IN PEACE.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET TO BELLEVUE GARDENS, BUT, UH, FOR THE PARKS, AS I SEE THE THING STARTING TO BLINK, UM, IT'S GREAT THAT YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF PARKS SOUTH OF BROAD STREET, BUT FOR NORTH OF BROAD STREET, WHAT YOU REALLY HAVE IS JUST A COUPLE OF PARK BENCHES AND MAYBE WE WILL QUOTE, EXPLORE RE PARTNERSHIPS WITH BOGIES.
BUT THE PLAN REDEFINES THE BOGIES AREA AS MIXED USE CORE.
IT IS NOT GONNA REMAIN THE WAY IT IS OR BE IMPROVED.
ALSO, THE PLAN REDEFINES THE SYCAMORE CREEK GOLF COURSE AS MIXED USE CORE THAT HAS, THAT'S GONNA BE GOING AWAY NORTH OF BROAD STREET IS WHERE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WILL LIVE.
NORTH IS WHERE THE OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF LAND IS.
NORTH IS WHERE THERE ARE ZERO REAL PARKS ENVISIONED.
WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES OF THE BOARD? EXCUSE ME, YOUR TOWN? I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY SOME SAY THAT IT'S TO PRIORI, SUMMARIZE, PRIORITIZE THE, UM, THE AMOUNT OF TAXABLE LAND, BUT IT SHOULD BE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE LIVING HERE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS ETTE MARTIN.
I ALSO LIVE IN BELLEVUE GARDENS.
I'M AT, UH, 12 6 82 PAMELA LANE.
UH, I JUST HAVE A FEW COMMENTS FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
UM, I WON'T BEAT YOU TO DEATH ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, BUT IT IS HORRIBLE ON BROAD STREET FOR US TRYING TO GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE HAVE TO MAKE A LEFT TO GO TOWARDS SHORE PUMP TO GET ANYWHERE TO THE INTERSTATE OR ANYWHERE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER TRAFFIC, LIKE BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING TRAFFIC LIGHTS AT 2 88.
THERE'S ALREADY MEDICAL BUILDINGS PLANNED TO GO IN ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY'VE JUST BUILT ONE ON OUR EXISTING CORNER.
THERE'S THREE AREAS THAT THE THREE PINK AREAS AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE OWNED BY A CAR DEALERSHIP ALREADY.
UM, THE COMMENTS FROM TIMMONS IS THAT THOSE WERE SUGGESTED TO BE CAR DEALERS, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A CHANCE TO FIGHT THAT WHEN IT SEEMS TO BE ALREADY AGREED UPON BEFORE WE GET A CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT.
UM, THERE WAS A 2035 PLAN THAT SHOWED A BUFFER AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT APPEARS TO BE GONE.
SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE ANYONE IS PROTECTING MY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THIS COMMERCIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT GOING IN AND CLOSING US IN.
UM, AND I, I THINK MOSTLY YOU'VE HEARD THE REST.
MY NAME IS GEORGE ENGLAND AND I LIVE AT 1 26 56 FAWN LANE IN BELLEVUE GARDENS.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT THERE FOR 35 YEARS.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE WHAT, UH, JUST YOUNG LADY SAID ABOUT THE BUFFER THAT WAS ON THE COMP PLAN ON MAP FOUR THAT SURROUNDS BELLEVUE GARDENS.
IT HAS NOW BEEN DELETED ON MAP FIVE AND SAYS ON THE PARAGRAPH, AND I WAS JUST WANTING, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK WHY THAT WAS DELETED.
UM, ALSO ON THIS SAME PAGE HERE IN THE PARAGRAPH IT SAYS WITHIN THE CENTERVILLE AREA, IT WOULD REMOVE THESE LAND USE CATEGORIES, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS ONE OF THEM.
AND THEN IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH IT SAYS IT'S GOING TO ADD SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT.
YOU'RE GONNA DELETE IT, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO ADD IT BACK.
UM, THE, THERE IS NO CURRENT DEVELOPMENT TO BE MADE IN BELLEVUE GARDENS.
THERE'S LIKE TWO VACANT LOTS LEFT IN THE AREA,
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AND IT IS, UM, PUT UP AS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IF YOU HAD ONE VACANT LOT THERE, YOU COULD PUT MULTIFAMILY IN THERE.AND THERE'S ALREADY, UM, LESS THAN TWO HOUSES PER ACRE, WHICH MEETS THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CRITERIA HERE.
IF YOU OPEN THAT UP TO SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO GO FOR REZONING AND THEY TRY TO PUT THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT GOING, UM, BILLUE GARDENS TO BE SINGLE RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE NOW.
I LIVE AT 2164 PROFIT ROAD MANNEQUIN SEVEN.
I HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH MY WRITTEN COMMENTS.
SO I AM JUST GOING TO, UM, SPEAK TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE FIVE THINGS THAT ARE, UH, FOUND, UH, IN ABOUT THE PLAN.
UM, IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE EXISTING ZONING, UM, DESIGNATIONS, UH, ON THE APOSTLE OR ASSOCIATED.
UM, SO YOU ARE GOING TO LAND UP HAVING TO GET MORE AND MORE, UM, REZONING REQUEST, UM, AND DOWN THEN YOU NOT, YOU ALREADY HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 67, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS CURRENTLY THAT ARE IN CENTERVILLE EX ALREADY.
ARE YOU PROPOSING TO ADD SIX MORE? SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
UM, WHAT ALSO DOES NOT MAKE, UH, SENSE TO ME IS THE EXAMPLES OF USES, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT I COULD WORK WITHIN, COULD WORK FOR.
WHO IS WHAT I WANNA KNOW WHO, WHO, WHO ARE THESE USERS GONNA WORK FOR? I HEAR ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TALKED BEHIND US WHO HAVE SAID THAT IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEIR COMMUNITY IN THEIR NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN THERE 25 TO 50 YEARS.
WE ARE RIGHT OFF MANNEQUIN ROAD.
WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED, WE APPROVED MANNEQUIN TOWN AND WE'VE APPROVED, UH, UH, UH, UH, TUCKAHOE BRIDGE.
UM, AND THEY WENT WITHIN THE COMP PLAN.
CHANGING THE COMP PLAN MEANS WE HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING IS A DOMINO EFFECT.
I PLEASE HOPE YOU DEFER OR, UH, DENY THIS.
GOOD EVENING PLANNING MEMBERS.
I LIVE AT 93 0 2 BELFORT ROAD, RICHMOND, VIRGINIA.
OWNED PROPERTY ON BROAD STREET ON THE SOUTH SIDE RIGHT BESIDE MR. GEEZER'S PARCEL.
AND I CONCUR WITH OUR PLANNING MEMBER COMMISSION THAT THE SOUTH SIDE NEEDS TO BE TREATED THE SAME AS THE NORTH SIDE.
UH, YOU MAY NOT REMEMBER, BUT THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAME TO US, THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN THAT COMMUNITY BACK IN 2000 AND SAID, THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNATED A VILLAGE, A GROWTH AREA, MAJOR GROWTH AREA.
THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HAVE IT IS IF YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO STROKE A CHECK AND MORTGAGE YOUR PROPERTIES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE DENSE USE IN THE BEAUTIFUL SUBDIVISIONS BEHIND US.
AT THAT TIME, I THINK YOU COULD GET A FIVE ACRE LOT.
AND SO WE, WE AGREED AND SAID, WE WILL PAY TIME AND A HALF ON OUR TAXES.
AT THAT TIME, THE BILL WAS 60 MILLION THAT WE AGREED TO BE BOUND FOR.
I HAVE TO PAY THAT ON MY PROPERTY.
THE LAST TIME I LOOKED THAT BILL HAD GROWN TO 90 MILLION.
AND THE CONTRACT THAT WE MADE WAS, IF WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS WARDEN SEWER, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
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I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT.I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, THAT MR. G HAS REALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN WITH THE PARK RS BRANCH, THE THE ONE DIRECTLY BEHIND US ARE BEAUTIFUL.
AND BACK THEN THEIR OTHER GSON MEMBERS WOULD COME AND SAY, WE DON'T WANT THESE PEOPLE.
WE DON'T WANT ALL THESE PEOPLE.
WE WANT TO KEEP THINGS JUST LIKE THEY ARE.
WELL, I LOVE HAVING THOSE SUBDIVISIONS.
SO I I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE FAIR AND MAKE THE SOUTH SIDE THE SAME AS AS THE NORTH SIDE.
IF YOU LIMIT US TO TWO STORIES, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPETE AND CREATE THE BEAUTIFUL VILLAGE THAT MR. GAY AND I HAVE BEEN COMING TO THIS PLANNING, UH, MEMBERS AND THE BOARD FOR 25 YEARS AND SAYING, WE WANT TO CREATE THOSE SMALL SHOPS.
WE WANT TO CREATE A SMALL VILLAGE WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK TO.
AND IF YOU DON'T ALLOW US THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES AS THE MIXED USE COAL, WE, WE WERE IN THE COAL.
WE FINANCED IT, THE WAR AND SUE, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT FAIR.
IT'S NOT GONNA ALLOW US TO CREATE THE BEST USE.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT BIG BUILDINGS THERE.
WE DON'T WANT BIG COMMERCIAL WALMARTS AND THAT SORT OF THING, WHICH IS WHERE WE WERE.
AND SO MR. GAZE AND I HAVE BEEN BEGGING FOR THIS FOR 20 YEARS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS AND PLEASE TREAT US THE SAME AS A MIXED USE COURSE SO WE CAN PROVIDE A MUCH NICER PRODUCT FOR THE SUBDIVISIONS BEHIND US.
MY NAME IS MARGARET BZ AND I LIVE AT, UH, 1201 HAWK WALL DRIVE.
I ACTUALLY LIVE FURTHER OUT, BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE STORIES ON ONE SIDE AND TWO STORIES ON THE OTHER, WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE 'EM ALL TWO STORY.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE STORY? I MEAN, GUC IS UNIQUE.
AND YOU'RE GONNA BLOW THIS BY LETTING THIS THING GO OUT OF PROPORTION.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S GONNA AFFECT ME IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU'RE COMING OUT MY WAY NEXT.
SEEING NO ONE ELSE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
DOES UH, STAFF OR MR. TIMMONS WANNA RESPOND TO SOME OF THESE COMMENTS? YEAH.
UH, AUSTIN GOING, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGER FOR THE COUNTY.
UH, FOUR THINGS I'LL TOUCH ON REAL QUICK.
SO THE THREE CHOPPED INTERSECTION CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
SO THE THREE CHOPPED INTERSECTION WITH, AS ASHLEY ROAD WILL REMAIN AS IS THE PLAN IS TO CONNECT IT UNDER 2 88 AND EVENTUALLY THAT WILL CONNECT TO THE LIGHT AT WAWA.
SO THAT'S THE ULTIMATE PLAN FOR THREE, FOR THREE CHOP ROAD.
UM, 2021 BEING THE LAST TRAFFIC STUDY THAT IS THE LAST TIME VDOT HAS CO UH, CONDUCTED TRAFFIC COUNTS.
THAT'S THE LAST PUBLICLY AVAILABLE DATA.
THEY'RE ALWAYS CONDUCTING THOSE TRAFFIC COUNTS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
THEY HAVE NOT RELEASED THE 2022 DATA YET.
UM, STUDIES ARE PERFORMED WITH EVERY SINGLE REZONING CASE THAT IS, ESPECIALLY IN THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE.
AND WE ARE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY UNDERTAKING, AND I HAD A MEETING WITH VDOT TODAY FOR AN ACCESS PLAN FOR THE AREA, KIND OF IN THE GOLD, UH, EASTER READERS BRANCH BETWEEN THAT AND 2 88 FOR KIND OF A NORTHERN WEST CREEK ACCESS.
IT'S, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN UNDER UN UNDERWAY FOR SOME TIME WITH THE, WITH WITH VDOT.
ONE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS, UH, ABOUT REMOVING SOME OF THE TREES.
UM, EACH PROJECT DOES HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS JUST BY STATE LAW AND BY COUNTY CODE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS KIND OF LOOKED AT AS A PROJECT BY PROJECT COMES UP RATHER THAN AT THIS BROAD LEVEL.
IT'S STAFF'S INTENT AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE INTENT FOR IT THAT TO UH, REMAIN A TWO-LANE ROAD, NOT, NOT A FOUR-LANE ROAD, AND PARKING ON THAT ROAD IS KIND OF GONNA BE DETERMINED AS DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES ALONG THAT.
THE STAFF WANT HAVE ANY OTHER RESPONSES? NO.
WELL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
I'LL START, UM, JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE LIST HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, MR. MR. GAER WAS STATING ABOUT THE NORTH SOUTH, HAVING THE DESIGNATIONS BE THE SAME.
UH, THEN WE HAD, UH, SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT ROCKVILLE ROAD.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S A DIVERGENT
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INTERCHANGE THAT'S IN THE PLANS FOR THAT THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED BY VDOT.UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T ACCELERATE THAT ANY FASTER.
ONE THING ON THE DIVERSION DIAMOND TODAY, IT DID BECOME FULLY FUNDED.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN A LOT, I'VE, I'M PROBABLY THE YOUNGEST MEMBER ON THE COMMISSION HERE, BUT CARTER AND I THINK ARE THE, THE LIFERS HERE IN GLAND.
AND I'VE SEEN, I REMEMBER BEFORE I PLAYED GOLF AT OAK HILL COUNTRY CLUB, UH, GROWING UP.
AND I REMEMBER BEFORE SYCAMORE CREEK WAS BUILT, BEFORE SOMERSET NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT ON FAIRGROUND ROAD.
I REMEMBER THE FIRST TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
UM, CENTERVILLE IS A BEAUTIFUL AREA.
UM, I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT, IT WILL HAVE PRESSURE BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS.
IT'S PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S NOT THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, IT'S NOT FAIRGROUND ROAD.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOME MORE DUE DILIGENCE THAT CAN BE DONE ON THIS PLAN.
UM, FROM THE FEEDBACK I'VE RECEIVED FROM CITIZENS, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A, A, A DEFERRAL.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD START.
I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN QUITE A BIT OF TIME PUT INTO THIS.
UM, I THINK THE ORIGINAL PLAN, UH, THE ORIGINAL CONSULTANT THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT THROUGH EVERYBODY, A CURVE BALL HERE, STAFF, UH, ESPECIALLY.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.
MR. DUKE, DO YOU HAVE ANY YEAH, I, ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION.
I'VE ACTUALLY GOT SOME QUESTIONS FOR, FOR TRAFFIC.
UM, THE, THE, THE ROADS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THIS PLAN, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN PROPOSED A LONG TIME OR THEY, THEY'VE JUST COME ABOUT IN THE PLAN.
SO THE PROPOSED ROADS IN THE PLAN AS YOU SEE IT OUT, WHERE'S A LITTLE CLICKER ON ME FEET TO THAT, UH, UH, RUNWAY WAY, LET ME PULL THAT UP JUST FOR REFERENCE REAL QUICK BACK.
ACTUALLY HELP ME OUT, BUT I'LL, I'LL, UH, TOUCH ON THAT REAL QUICK.
THAT THE, UH, PROPOSED ROSE THAT ARE ON THE MAP THAT YOU SEE, THERE ARE CURRENTLY ROADS THAT ARE IN THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
SO THERE'S NO NEW PROPOSED ROADS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE, IN THE, UH, 2040 MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND, AND, AND THEY'VE JUST COME ABOUT, UM, UM, THEY'RE WHERE THESE THAT SAY THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED TO MAKE THINGS FLOW AS POPULATION INCREASES, CORRECT? CORRECT.
ESPECIALLY IN THAT THREE TYPE ROAD AREA WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE ROADS ARE CROSSING EXISTING FIELDS, RIGHT.
IT'S, UH, I MEAN, THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF PROPERTIES, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF, UH, YEAH.
IN 2018 WHEN THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS, WAS UNDERWAY AND, AND, AND WHEN THAT WAS FINALIZED, I THINK THE CONSULTANT AT THE TIME WAS KIMLEY HORN.
THEY DID THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE HERE'S WHERE THE CONNECTION SHOULD BE, HERE'S WHERE YOUR MAJOR INTERSECTION SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE.
AND THAT RESULTED IN, IN THE LINE OF WORK YOU DO SEE ON THE SCREEN NOW.
AND THESE ARE, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A PLAN THAT THAT IS BEING PRESENTED TODAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE YEARS TO, TO GET TO THAT POINT.
AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS WILL BE PUBLICLY FUNDED.
SOME OF THEM ARE, AS DEVELOPMENT COMES ALONG, UH, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA BE ONE FULLY, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I FULLY AGREE THAT THE, A ZONING ON, UH, BOTH SIDES OF TWO 50 OUGHT TO BE THE SAME.
AND, BUT, UH, THE PROBLEM IS I JUST DON'T SEE IF THERE'S ENOUGH LAND FOR A DECENT TRANSITION INTO THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL SECTIONS.
I THINK THE OVERWHELMING
I GUESS WE'RE, SEEMS LIKE WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOB IF WE DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.
UM, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH KEEPING SOUTH ABROAD AND NORTH BROAD THE SAME, UM, DESIGNATION.
AND WITHOUT THAT, I WOULD HAVE HAVE TO VOTE TO DENY THIS.
UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN GOING ON A LONG TIME.
UH, THE, THE FIRST CONSULTANT, UH, HAD COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND WE LISTENED TO ALL THAT.
AND, UH, THEY EVENTUALLY GOT, UH, REPLACED BY TIM'S GROUP.
UH, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO, AT THIS LEVEL, PLEASE EVERYBODY, AND THESE ARE NOT DETAILS.
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WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH CHANGES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.WE HAVE TO GO TO CHANGES IN THE ZONING ORDINANCES.
AND AT THAT TIME, A LOT OF THIS MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE.
UH, WE ALWAYS REQUIRE TRAFFIC STUDIES, UH, MOSTLY DONE WHEN WE DO, UH, RESIDENCES AND SUB DEVELOPMENTS.
SO THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE DONE.
UH, BUT, UH, I THINK THE AWESOME AREAS THAT, UH, WE AGREE THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND PUT DOWN IN HERE, UH, KNOWING THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, A LOT OF THAT'S GONNA CHANGE IN NOVEMBER.
THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM ARE NOT RUNNING FOR REELECTION, AND I DON'T WANT ALL THE WORK THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE PUT IN ON THIS TO GO BY THE WAYSIDE AND GET LOST IN THE SHUFFLE.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SUFFICIENT JUST TO SORT OF A, ATTACH IT AS AN ADDENDUM.
I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, UH, UH, REDONE, UH, CLEANING UP SOME OF THE, UH, UH, MISCONCEPTIONS AND ALSO THE, UH, UH, WHAT THE, UH, CITIZENS HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T EVERYBODY AGREE ON EVERYTHING, AND A LOT OF IT WON'T COME OUT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET A, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM A PARTICULAR DEVELOPER.
UH, WELL, IT'S A ONE STORY, TWO STORY, THREE STORY BUILDING WILL DEPEND ON WHAT THE, UH, DEVELOPER ECONOMICALLY SEES FIT.
UH, BUT ALLOWING THEM FLEXIBILITY, UH, INTO DEVELOPING THEIR LANDS.
UH, WE'RE NOT HERE TO TELL SOMEBODY WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO.
UH, SOMEBODY, A PERSON HAS A RIGHT TO DO WITH THEIR LAND, WHAT THEY WANT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCES.
UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WE DEFINITELY WOULD NOT ALLOW, BUT I DO THINK THIS IS A, A TREMENDOUS START AND A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.
UH, AND, UH, I KIND OF AGREE WITH, UH, MY COHORT THAT IT BE, I, I DON'T WANT NECESSARILY DENY THIS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, UH, DEFERRED TO THE POINT THAT WE CAN KIND OF CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND BE MORE RESPONSIVE TO WHAT, UH, YOU ALL THE CITIZENS WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA A WANT.
UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
UH, IT'S Y'ALL'S PROPERTY, UH, Y'ALL'S HOMES, Y'ALL'S INVESTMENT.
UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, IMPORTANT FOR US TO, UH, TO SHOW THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT AND, UH, TRY TO AT LEAST COME TO, UH, A MUTUAL AGREEMENT ON, UH, MOST OF THE ITEMS WE PROBABLY WON'T GET TO A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UH, NOTHING IS A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, BUT, UH, I THINK WE COULD GET A LOT CLOSER SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF, UH, UH, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND NEW PEOPLE COMING IN WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
NOT EVERYBODY DOES DUE DILIGENCE WHEN THEY MOVE INTO A COMMUNITY.
UH, WE HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME THAT, UH, WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS GONNA BE BEHIND ME, OR I DIDN'T KNOW THEY GONNA WIDEN THIS ROAD, OR I DIDN'T KNOW THIS OR THAT.
UH, AND THE COMMON RESPONSE IS, WELL, IT SHOWS UP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WELL, IF YOU DON'T LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, YOU'RE DEPENDING ON, UH, A REAL ESTATE AGENT OR SOMEBODY ELSE, NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST REAL ESTATE AGENTS, BUT, UH,
UH, BELLEVUE GARDENS, I THINK IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
THERE'S SORT OF A LITTLE ISOLATED ISLAND IN THE MIDST OF ALL THIS OTHER DEVELOPMENT WORK.
UH, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN BUFFERS, WHICH MAYBE SHOULD.
THEY PROBABLY NEEDED MORE BUFFERS.
WE'VE GOT SOME DEVELOPMENTS COMING UP, BUT, UH, I HAVE, UH, VERY LITTLE BUFFERS.
UH, 15 FOOT BUFFER TO ME IS NOT A BUFFER.
UH, 15 FEET IS FROM, UH, ASHLEY.
UH, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON THIS, UH, NOT DELAY IT TOO MUCH LONGER, BUT, UH, AT LEAST TRY TO GET IT, UH, GET IT RIGHT.
SO I'M SORT OF IN FAVOR OF, UH, UH, AT LEAST DEFERRING IT, UH, FOR WHATEVER TIME THE COMMISSION MOTION TO DEFER.
UH, THE, YOUR MOTION TO DEFER SHOULD IDENTIFY, UH, A DATE OR WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A REGULAR MEETING OR A TIME PERIOD FOR A SPECIAL MEETING, TRYING TO CATCH STAFF SIZE OUT THERE AS WELL.
WE CONSULT WITH STAFF ON THAT.
SO, UM, SO, UM, THERE, THERE CURRENTLY IS, WE DID HAVE THESE SCHEDULED MEETINGS COMING UP FOR THE, FOR THE BOARD IN DIRECTION OF THIS.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THAT'S TO RECONSIDER THAT YOU HAD SPECIAL MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR BOTH OF THESE.
HOWEVER, FOR YOU, UM, YOUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS OF COURSE YOUR, YOUR STANDARD MEETING FOR JUNE.
UM, IF WE HAVE TO CONSULT ADVERTISING AND THE THINGS FOR ANY CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HOW MUCH TIME CONSIDERATION DO YOU THINK IS NEEDED FOR US TO EVALUATE OR DO CHANGE ON THE PLAN WOULD BE A CONCERN AS WELL.
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CAN'T BE USEDI WILL ALSO NOTE THAT, UM, THE CHANGES, ANYTHING THAT IS PERCEIVED AS MORE INTENSIVE ALSO HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC NOTICE PERIOD AND COME BACK THROUGH THIS SAME PROCESS.
SO THEN WE DO NEED TO CHANGE, UM, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SPECIAL CALLED MEETING NOTICES AS WELL.
UM, AND ADDITIONALLY THEN WE WILL NEED TO AMEND OUR SCOPE WITH TIM'S GROUP, UH, WITH THE CONSENT OF THE BOARD AND IDENTIFY FUNDS TO DO SO.
WOULD TWO MONTHS BE SUFFICIENT? JULY, THAT WOULD BE, I, I CAN'T DEFINITIVELY PROVIDE AN ANSWER.
CAN WE AT LEAST START WITH THAT? IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST JULY.
THAT'S REALLY ONLY LIKE A REALLY, LIKE ONLY A MONTH OR A WEEK.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM STAFF IS THAT JULY ISN'T REALLY TWO MONTHS AWAY IN TERMS OF ADVERTISING AND SO FORTH IN AUGUST.
WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING OR, AND YOU, OR Y'ALL GONNA TAKE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT, INCORPORATE IN THE DOCUMENT AND REVIEW IT AND THEN REPRESENT IT AS A, OUR MEETING OR AS ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING? WELL, I THINK THERE'S TWO WAYS TO DO IT, UM, AS YOU MENTIONED.
SO I WOULD ALSO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO, UM, CONTACT OUR BOARD MEMBERS, UH, AND SEE WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES IS AS WELL.
UM, SO THEN WE HAVE A PREFERENCE, UM, FROM BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE BOARD IF THERE IS TO BE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AGAIN.
UM, AGAIN, YOU DO GET INTO SCHEDULING DIFFICULTIES WITH 4TH OF JULY COMING UP, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE SUMMER YOU HAVE LABOR DAY.
WE ALSO HAVE QUITE A FEW, UM, ALREADY IDENTIFIED AND SCHEDULED WORK PLAN PROJECTS THAT THEN THIS WILL, UM, BEGIN TO PUSH OUT.
AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN AT THIS SINCE FEBRUARY OF 2022, SO I'M JUST LAYING OUT FACTS.
UM, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR YOU TO SAY WHAT SPITBALLING IT HERE, BUT, UM, YOU COULD, UH, PERHAPS SAY THAT, UM, THIS IS SET ON YOUR, UM, WORK SESSION AGENDA, SAY FOR YOUR REGULAR AUGUST MEETING AT WHICH TIME THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING WOULD GET SCHEDULED.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE'D FIGURE OUT WHEN THAT NEXT SPECIALLY CALLED MEETING IS GOING TO BE, OR YOU COULD SAY TO A ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETING IN THE MONTH OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S AUGUST OR WHATEVER ELSE, THOSE WOULD BE TWO.
BUT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TIME TO, ONCE WE DIGEST IT AND THE STAFF RED REDO IT FOR THEM TO GIVE THEIR INPUT BACK AND THAT KIND OF HAVE TO DELAY IT AGAIN.
AND, AND SO I DON'T MEAN TO SUGGEST WHEN I'M JUST TELLING YOU HOW, SO YOUR TWO CHOICES THAT I'M SEEING ARE, UH, ADVISED THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS BEING DEFERRED RIGHT NOW TO A WORK SESSION IN A CERTAIN MONTH, AT WHICH TIME YOU'RE GOING TO SCHEDULE A, THE SPECIALLY CALLED MEETING OR THAT YOU'RE BEING, YOU'RE DEFERRING IT TO WHATEVER MONTH AT A SPECIALLY CALLED MEETING.
SO THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND, WE DON'T KNOW THE DATE TODAY, BUT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND THAT ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETING WOULD BE IT TO AUGUST.
LET'S DO, DO WE NEED TO SPEAK WITH TIM? RIGHT.
I WILL ALSO SAY THAT A FACTOR IN HERE WE'RE ALSO FORGETTING, AND I I DON'T, AGAIN, MEAN TO OVERSTEP IS OUR CONSULTANTS ALSO HAVE A WORK SCHEDULE AND OTHER CLIENTS, QUITE A FEW CLIENTS.
SO I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE TOO THAT THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY AND ABILITY THEN TO TAKE THIS PROJECT ON FOR AN EXISTING TWO MONTHS.
UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT WE CAN ALSO DO THIS.
AS I MENTIONED, I WILL, UM, CONSULT WITH THE BOARD, BUT WE CAN TAKE ALL THE FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY MEETING OR OPEN HOUSE THAT WE HAD WORK TO INCORPORATE THAT AND THEN HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MEETING, OR THERE'S THE ABILITY THAT THEN WE ACTUALLY JUST HAVE ANOTHER ROUND OF MEETINGS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, UM, JUST LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION ON THAT.
BUT WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALSO BE ABLE TO FIT WITHIN THE EXISTING, UH, THINGS IN THE QUEUE WITH, UH, TIM'S GROUP BECAUSE THEY WERE ON THE HOOK THROUGH MID-JUNE WITH THEIR CONTRACT.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO BE DOING A CONTRACT EXTENSION.
AND AGAIN, I'M JUST LAYING THAT OUT THERE.
SO AUGUST MAY, IT MAY GET BUMPED OUT.
WELL, I WOULD THINK AUGUST WOULD BE REASONABLE, AND I THINK IF THEY TAKE WHAT CAME UP AT THE LAST COMMUNITY MEETING WE HAD AND TONIGHT'S MEETING AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE PLAN, UH, I DON'T SEE ANY, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING REAL MAJOR OTHER THAN DOCUMENTED IT INTO THE PLAN SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT IT IS.
SO, UH, UH, I WOULD THINK SOMETIME IN AUGUST,
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UH, WOULD BE, UH, IT'D BE SUFFICIENT.UH, I KNOW Y'ALL WANNA GO ON VACATION, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS, SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN AT THE PRESENTATION ON JUST GO PLAN LAST WEEK WAS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL PLAN.
UM, IT, IT'S NOT MEANT TO TO BE, IT ALLOWS THE PLANNING AND THE BOARD TO HAVE SOME DISCRETION AS TO WHAT'S WHERE.
UM, SO, SO I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT TO DO, BUT IT IS NOT, THIS IS NOT WRITTEN, WRITTEN IN STONE THAT THIS IS WHAT HAS TO BE AWARE.
IT IS UP TO THE, THE DEVELOPER TO PRESENT SOMETHING AND, AND MM-HMM.
SO IS IF WE TAKE TWO MORE MONTHS AND WORK ON IT AND WE COME UP WITH A HIGH LEVEL PLAN, IT'S JUST GONNA BE THE EXACT ANOTHER HIGH LEVEL PLAN THAT THE SAME THING, THE BOARD PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD WILL STILL HAVE DISCRETION AS TO WHAT'S THERE.
SO IT IS MOVING IT TWO MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING, UH, SOMETHING OTHER THAN VERBIAGE IN THIS FLAME.
SO, UM, I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN OUR STAFF.
THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, BUT THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO PRESENT A PLAN THAT DOES BOTH OF THOSE RIGHT.
AND CERTAINLY ANYTHING THAT'S COME, WE COME UP WITH, IT'S ALWAYS SUBJECT TO REVIEW.
UH, SAME WAY WE DO ZONING, UH, UH, WE APPROVE IT, WE DON'T APPROVE IT, WE EXTEND IT, WE CHANGE IT.
SO IT'S NOTHING ETCHING CONCRETE, BUT I THINK HAVING A BETTER PLAN, UH, IS A LOT MORE WORKABLE THAN ONE THAT, UH, NOBODY REALLY LIKES AND NOBODY WANTS.
SO, UH, AGAIN, PER PERHAPS THANK YOU, SIR.
UNLIKE MOST OF YOUR ZONING CASES, UM, UH, THIS DOES INVOLVE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD SCHEDULE, IT, IT INVOLVES MONEY TO SUPPORT OUR CON IT IT MIGHT BEHOOVE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, LET'S PUT IT ON THE JULY WORK PROGRAM, AT WHICH TIME WE WILL HAVE HYPED GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD.
WE'LL KNOW TIM'S SCHEDULE, WE'LL KNOW STAFF'S SCHEDULE, AND WE WILL SET A PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND REIFY EVERYTHING.
EVERYONE'S ON VACATION, BUT AT LEAST IT WILL BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT STAFF GETS THE CHANCE TO GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION.
UNLIKE A TYPICAL REZONING, WHERE'RE TYPICALLY THE APPLICANTS IN FRONT OF YOU AND THEY CAN CONSULT REAL QUICK AND GO, YES, WE CAN DO THAT.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MOVING PARTS.
AND SO IF YOU, AGAIN, JUST SAY, CAN WE SET THIS FOR A WORK SCHEDULE DATE? AT WHICH TIME WE WILL HAVE ALL THE FEEDBACK? HOW LONG DOES STAFF NEED? WHEN IS TIM'S OKAY? WHAT IS THE BOARD OKAY WITH? DID WE FIND THE MONEY FOR THE CONTRACT? THEN WE'LL SET THE DATE WORK SESSION IN JULY, AND THEN PUBLIC HEARING TO BE, TO BE DETERMINED AS CORRECT, ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO, YOU KNOW, STAFF WILL GIVE YOU OPTIONS.
THEY'LL KNOW THE ROOM AVAILABILITY AND, AND, AND, AND THE CAPABILITIES.
IS THAT A BETTER WAY TO GO? YES.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO A WORK SESSION IN JULY AND ULTIMATELY LOOKING FOR AN AUGUST DOESN'T TO GET THE CORRECT INFORMATION TO MAKE YOU HAVE A GOOD DECISION.
WHETHER THAT'S AUGUST OR A DIFFERENT, I CAN'T SAY I DON'T CARE YOUR MOTION.
WE JUST HAVE TO SET THE MOTION TO ESTABLISH THE WORK SESSION IN JULY WORK SESSION.
IN THAT TIME, WE WOULD SET THE PUBLIC HEARING IN AUGUST OR AT A LATER DATE.
CAN YOU, UH, UH, READ THE REVISED MOTION BY
THE, UM, MOTION IS FOR DEFERRAL OF THIS ITEM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S WORK SESSION IN JULY, UH, WITH THE, UM, EXPECTATION.
AT THAT TIME, A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE SCHEDULED, ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PLAN.
DO A ROLL CALL VOTE WAS, WAS THAT, WHO WAS THE, DID THE MOTION AND THE SECONDER BOTH AGREE TO THAT? VOTED ON IT YET? YES, BUT I, I NEED THE MOTION.
I SECOND MR. AND THEY'RE BOTH IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT REVISION TO THE MOTION.
THAT'S ALL WE NEED FOR ROLL CALL.
THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND DEFERRAL
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TO THE JULY MEETING PASSES ON A FIVE OH VOTE.MS. PARK, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE SCHEDULE? THERE'S NO OLD BUSINESS, NO OTHER BUSINESS MEETING ADJOURNED.
[7. Old Business - None]
[8. Other Business - None]
[9. Adjournment]
NO SURPRISES TOO.