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RIGHT.GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
IT IS MY PLEASURE TO CALL TO ORDER THE JUNE 6TH GUCCI COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TRANSPORTATION WORKSHOP.
UH, WITH THAT WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET RIGHT INTO IT.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME CITIZENS HERE.
THIS IS BEING, UH, BROADCAST LIVE, AND WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF TO, UH, WALK US THROUGH OUR WORK WE TODAY.
SO THE PRESENTATION TODAY IS ABOUT 10 OR 15 MINUTES, FRANKLY, SUBSTANCE.
AND THEN IT'S, I WANNA OPEN IT UP FOR THE REMAINING 16 TO 90 MINUTES OF CONVERSATION, DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, I GUESS WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WILL THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION WORKSHOP PRESENTATION.
UM, THE AGENDA OF THE ITEMS WE'RE GONNA COVER TODAY ARE CURRENT EFFORTS THAT WERE STAFFED UNDERTAKING, UH, FINAL SMART SCALE RESULTS.
NOW, BIG CONSENSUS SCENARIO FOR SMART SCALE HAS BEEN, UH, FINALIZED BY THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD, PROJECT PRIORITIZATION, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED PRIORITIES, TAKING THAT METHODOLOGY AND, AND LOOKING AT OUR PRIORITIES AND COMING UP WITH A, A LIST OF APPLICATIONS MOVING FORWARD.
UM, A DRAFT GLAND COUNTY SIX YEAR PLAN, LOOKING AT ALL POSSIBLE FUNDING AVENUES THAT WE HAVE ON PROJECTS.
UM, TRACKING ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THOSE DOLLARS, AND PUTTING IT INTO KIND OF A COMPREHENSIVE SPREADSHEET FOR STAFF TO TRACK.
AND THEN ALSO IT, IT'LL HELP THE CONVERSATIONS MOVING FORWARD AS WE LOOK AT FUNDING PROJECTS, FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, DIFFERENT, UM, FUNDING MECHANISMS AND SO ON.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, AT THE VERY END, UH, ONCE WE KIND OF GET THROUGH THIS 10 OR 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION, OPENING UP FOR THAT, FOR THE REMAINING OF THE WORKSHOP TO, TO BE QUESTIONED AND DISCUSSION.
SO, CURRENT EFFORTS, UM, NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST IS THE FAIR NUMBER OF BROWN BALLOT.
SO WE'RE VERY PLEASED THAT IT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, BY THE 4TH OF JULY.
THAT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED TO US BY VDI CONSISTENTLY OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
SO IT IS TWO, TWO TO THREE MONTHS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
CRYSTAL IS, IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE WAS OCTOBER COMPLETION, SO JULY 4TH IS CERTAINLY WAY AHEAD OF THAT.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S IN COORDINATION WITH A LOT OF POSITIVE CONVERSATIONS THE STAFF'S HAD WITH VDI PROJECT MANAGERS AND, UM, DISTRICT STAFF.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, AND SO WHEN YOU SAY OPEN, YOU MEAN FAIRGROUND ROAD IS OPEN TO IT THAT OPENS, IT WILL BE COMPLETELY OPEN.
THE CONTRACT WILL BE OFFSITE, SO IT WILL BE COMPLETELY, IT WILL NO LONGER BE IN INSTRUCTIONS ZONE.
HOW ARE WE PUSHING THAT OUT TO THE PHONE? OUR WEBSITE, WE, OUR MESSAGE WE'RE, WE'RE WAITING FOR FINAL DATES.
THE, THE NEXT FEW STEPS ARE, ONCE THE FINAL PAVING IS COMPLETE, WHICH I THINK IS ANTICIPATED TO BE THIS WEEK AND EARLY NEXT WEEK, THERE HAS TO BE AN INSPECTION FOR VDOT TO GO OVER ANY KIND OF LAST MINUTE ITEMS. ONCE THAT INSPECTION DATE IS KNOWN, THEN WE CAN KIND OF START WHITTLING DOWN DOING THE MASK TO FIND THAT OPENING DATE.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING HOW TO USE A ROUNDABOUT VIDEO, UM, SOME PROMOS ON, YOU KNOW, UM, MAKING SURE WE'RE CONTINUALLY PUTTING OUT WHEN IT OPENS.
AND VDOT WILL ALSO HAVE, UM, REMOVE THE SIGNAGE FOR DETOURS AND OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
SO AS SOON, SOON AS IT'S FULLY ON PROBATIONAL, THOSE DETOUR ROUTE SIGNS WILL BE REMOVED.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN.
YEAH, WE'RE VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
SO, SO I JUST WANNA TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO THANK STAFF.
THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGER CATION PROJECTS WE'VE DONE IN RECENT YEARS.
UM, IT DID NOT COME WITHOUT THESE CHALLENGES, INCLUDING BEING TOLD THAT WE'VE BEEN CLOSED FOR SIX MONTHS WHEN WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE TWO MONTHS STAFF ENGAGED IMMEDIATELY, HAD BACKUP PLANS IN PLACE, UM, AND JUST CONTINUED TO MONITOR.
I JUST APPRECIATE THE STAFF, UH, EFFORTS THIS, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO MEET.
I WAS WILLING TO RESPOND TO LOT OF TODAY'S, A LOT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS TO REBUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP.
UM, SECOND, ONE OF THE SECOND INITIATIVES THAT STAFF'S, UH, FINALLY DONE WITH IS THE TRANSPORTATION PROJECT WEBPAGES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PUT TOGETHER.
IT PROVIDES A LOT OF, UH, INFORMATION ON OUR UPCOMING UNDERWAY AND RECENTLY COMPLETED PROJECTS.
THOSE ARE THE THREE CATEGORIES OF WEBPAGE, UM, FILES, PROJECTS UNDER, IT'S GOT NARRATIVE SCHEDULES.
IT'S GOT SOME PICTURES THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FAIRGROUND ROUNDABOUT HAS UP TO DATE PICTURES ON, ON THAT FROM, FROM SOME OF THE DRUG ACTIVITY THAT PARKS AND REC WAS DOING IN THE AREA.
UM, AS WELL AS STATS CONTACT INFORMATION.
AND THEN ALSO IF THERE'S ANY APPLICABLE LINKS TO FEED OUT WEBPAGES, WE HAVE THOSE AS WELL.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW I'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE CALLS ABOUT SOME UPCOMING PROJECTS, JUST, HEY, IS THAT REALLY WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE? SO I KNOW THE CITIZENS ARE STARTING TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AS, AS KIND OF A PRIORITY TO, TO HELP GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE IS TRYING TO GET THE CORRECT INFORMATION OUT.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION ON THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR VIC.
CAN WE GET THAT ON THE MOBILE APP? IT SHOULD BE ON THE MOBILE APP.
CUZ THERE IS A BUTTON ON THE HOMEPAGE FOR THE COUNTY WEBSITE, JUST IF WE DO FOR ELECTION DISTRICTS.
BUT WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE IT'S THERE.
IS IT ON, DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT WOULD BE UNDER, IT SHOULD BE WITHIN YOUR FIRST, UM, TOGGLES, BUT WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK.
CAUSE WE ACTUALLY JUST HAD A TEAM MEETING ABOUT THAT.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH US THAT'S A
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KEY PRIORITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS.UM, THE ACTUAL WROTE DIVERSION DIAMOND, SOME OTHER FANTASTIC MOVES IS THAT IT WILL RECEIVE FULL FUNDING THROUGH SMART SCALE.
IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT IT WILL, IN THE CONSENSUS SCENARIO, IT WILL RECEIVE APPROXIMATELY 42.2 MILLION, UH, TO FULLY FUND THE PROJECT TO THE TUNE OF APPROXIMATELY 76 MILLION
WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
THAT IS AN INTERCHANGE THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR SOME TIME.
IT WILL CONTINUE TO GET WORSE WITH A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES THAT WE'VE SEEN THERE.
AND A LOT OF THOSE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES ARE NOW KIND OF CONTINGENT ON OF, OF FIXING THAT INTERCHANGE TO REALLY SEE THE FULL GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES IN THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING TO START OF THE VDOT.
WE WERE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A, TO REALLY, I THINK, FOSTER AND, AND CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS AND FORM A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR CTB REP, UH, MR. CARLOS BROWN, WHO, UM, THIS IS HIS LAST TERM ON THE CTB.
SO WE'RE HOPEFUL WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR CTB REP MOVING FORWARD.
BUT WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. BROWN AND, UM, LED TO HIM DECIDING TO FUND OUR PROJECT.
WHEN DOES HIS TERM IN JUNE 30TH THOUSAND? BELIEVE SO, YES.
UM, SO WITH THAT PROJECT, UH, THE FIRST STEP IN PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING ACTUALLY KICKED OFF IN, IN MARCH BEFORE FUNDING WAS EVEN AWARDED.
UH, VNA KIND OF FELT, READ THE T LEAVES, SO TO SPEAK, THAT THE INTERCHANGE ACCESS REPORT IS THAT FIRST STEP IN THE ENGINEERING PROCESS.
IT, IT LOOKS AT THE CORRIDOR WITHIN THAT INTERCHANGE AREA AND ANALYZES EXISTING INTERSECTIONS.
WHAT THAT INTERCHANGE IS ACTUALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE REALLY STARTS FINE TUNING THE GEOMETRY, WHERE THE SIGNALS ARE GONNA BE, WHAT'S THE ROAD GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHERE'S THAT SECOND BRIDGE GONNA BE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY UNDERWAY.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING COMPLETION OF THAT IN AND AROUND THE MARCH OF 2024 TIMEFRAME.
AND WITH THAT, ONE OF THE BIG KEY, UH, DELIVERABLES FROM THAT IAR IS SOMETHING IACTUALLY DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA GET UNTIL AFTER THE SCOPING MEETING WAS OVER IS 10% CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE DDI.
I, SO WE'RE REALLY GONNA HAVE A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION ON ADJACENT INTERSECTIONS.
WHAT DOES ROAD LOOK LIKE, REACH OUT, LOOK LIKE.
SO I THINK WE'RE, THIS IN AND OF ITSELF IS A BIG STEP ANYWAYS, BUT THEN TO GET THE FULL FUNDING, IS IT, IT MOVES THE COUNTY MILES HEAD WHERE WE WERE TWO, TWO MONTHS AGO.
UM, REGARDING THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BEING PROFFERED FROM THE APPLICANT WAS A TURN SIGNAL EASTBOUND.
UH, I'VE SEEN THAT THIS ISN'T DONE UNTIL 24.
WE WERE HOPING THAT THE, WHEN, WHEN CAN THAT WORK START TO KICK OFF? SO THEY JUST GOT THEIR SJR SO THE APPROVALS FOR THOSE SIGNALS AT BOTH THE SITE ENTRANCE FOR ROCKY AND THEN ALSO AT THE EASTBOUNDS 64 AND NATIONAL ROAD RAMPS, THE PAPERWORK WAS ALL APPROVED.
SO NOW IT'S A MATTER OF GETTING, WHICH WAS A HUGE DEAL.
THAT SAT ON A DESK FOR QUITE A WHILE.
IT, IT TOOK A WHILE TO FIND THOSE PAPERS AND OFFICE.
WELL, OH, SO THEY WANTED FEDERAL AGENCIES TO GET INVOLVED.
SO AGAIN, GREAT EXAMPLE OF OUR WORKING RELATIONSHIP.
UM, SO WITH THAT, THE ONLY THING REMAINING ON THOSE IS THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS GETTING APPROVED, WHICH THEY ARE GETTING READY TO RESUBMIT THOSE PARTICULAR PLANS TO STAFF AND VDOT.
UM, I BELIEVE NEXT WEEK WAS THEIR INTENTION TO RESUBMIT THOSE PLANS, UH, FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN.
SO THE DDI I ITSELF WILL COME AFTER WHAT WE'VE HEARD THUS FAR, WILL COME AFTER THE OPENING OF THAT FACILITY AND THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE SIGNALS.
SO THEY WOULD THEN BE REMOVED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DDI.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST A STOP.
AND, AND THAT'S GONNA BE INTENT THE WHOLE TIME, RIGHT? EXACTLY.
IT'S A, SO STOPLIGHT,
IS THIS THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE TODAY?
IT'S VERY MUCH STILL UNDERWAY.
PHASE ONE, STILL UNDER DESIGN.
WE, UM, WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE IMPACTED STAKEHOLDERS TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL CHANGE OF THE ALIGNMENT TO FRANKLY ACTUALLY MEET THE GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE ALIGNMENT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.
AND WE APPLIED FOR FUNDING, DIDN'T MEET THE GOAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND PROVIDED ZERO, REALLY ZERO CONNECTIVITY RIGHT.
SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING NOW WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT THE TRAIL WOULD RUN THROUGH IT VERY PRODUCTIVE.
WE HAD VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING LAST WEEK WITH SOME OF THE CORE STAKEHOLDERS, UM, WITH SOME TENTATIVE DATES SET FOR LATER THIS MONTH OR VERY EARLY JULY TO THEN DISCUSS, UM, THE EXACT LOCATIONS OF EASEMENTS AND THE FINAL ALIGNMENT.
SO PROGRESS, PROGRESS, PROGRESS.
SO THE FINAL SMART SCALE RESULTS,
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AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THE CONSENSUS SMART SCALE SCENARIO WAS ANNOUNCED ON FIRST BY THE CTB.UH, THE RICHMOND DISTRICT HAS 21 PROJECTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING THROUGH THAT SCENARIO TO THE TOTAL OF 244.2 MILLION.
THE RICHMOND DISTRICT, WHILE NOT HAVING THE MOST NUMBER OF, MOST NUMBER OF PROJECTS, HAS THE MOST NUMBER OF DOLLARS THROUGH SMART SCALE THIS ROUTE.
SO RICHMOND DISTRICT IS REALLY INLAND COUNTY INCLUDED.
WE'RE GETTING A CHUNK OF THAT MONEY NOW IS VERY SUCCESSFUL THROUGH THIS ROUND OF SMART SCALE.
UM, WE SUBMITTED FOUR APPLICATIONS, THE MAXIMUM ALLOTTED FOR OUR COUNTY, TWO OF WHICH WERE SUCCESSFUL.
HONDA ROAD REALIGNMENT IS STILL SLATED TO RECEIVE THAT $1.1 MILLION TO FULLY FUND THE PROJECT.
AND ASHLEY ROAD VDI IS RECOMMENDED, LIKE I SAID, TO RECEIVE $42.2 MILLION, WHICH WILL FULLY FUND THAT PROJECT.
THOSE FUNDS ARE APPROVED AS PART OF THE SMART SCALE PROCESS, BUT DON'T GET OFFICIALLY PROGRAMMED UNTIL THE CTB FINALIZED THE SIX YEAR PLAN, WHICH HAPPENS, I BELIEVE JUNE, UH, 21ST.
SO I'LL MOVE INTO PROJECT PRIORITIZATION.
UM, SO WE TOUCHED ON THIS LAST TIME, BUT STAFF HAS A METHODOLOGY, CREATED A METHODOLOGY FOR RANKING OUR TRANSPORTATION NEEDS IN THE COUNTY.
THE, THE PROJECT LIST WE'VE HAD FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES.
SO SOME OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED ARE REVIEWING THESE FIRST RESPONDERS, UH, A VRAN NEED, WHICH IS WHERE VDOT AND THE STATE IDENTIFY A ROAD IN THE COUNTY.
THEY CONCUR THAT THIS IS A NEED FOR YOU.
THERE'S VARIOUS CATEGORIES, BUT WHETHER IT'S SAFETY, BIKE P, CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS AND SO ON.
THEY IDENTIFY THAT AREA AS A NEED.
UM, WANTED TO PULL OUT SPECIFICALLY SAFETY NEEDS BECAUSE THOSE ARE MORE IMPORTANT OF ANY REALLY OF THE NEEDS IN IN VRES.
UM, REVIEWING ANY RECENT STUDIES AND, AND TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UM, TWO STUDIES RECENTLY ARE THE FAIRGROUND ROAD STUDY, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, I KNOW THEY'RE NOT FINAL, BUT PENDING FINALIZATION OF THE SMALL AREA PLANS.
ANY ROAD PROJECTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT COME OUT OF THOSE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALSO KEEPING OUR EYE ON.
UM, REVIEWING PAST MAJOR TRANSPORTATION PLANS LIKE THE ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND ONE OF THE KEY DETERMINATIONS IS SELECTING THE PROJECTS BASED ON THE FUNDING SOURCE ELIGIBILITY.
THAT ONE'S SEPARATED ON THE BOTTOM.
THE NEXT CHART YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT ONE BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I WOULD SAY EMPIRICAL.
SO THE, THE TOP FIVE OR SIX BULLETS ARE MORE YOUR EMPIRICAL BASED ITEMS, WHICH IS WHAT I'M GONNA FLIP TO IT IN, IN THE NEXT CHART.
BEFORE GET TOO FAR, AND MAYBE THIS IS THE PLANNING SEAT FOR A FURTHER CONVERSATION, BUT, OKAY.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRO PROJECT PRIORITIZATION, UH, MR. LUMPKINS AND I WERE AT THE, THE, THE COMBINED, UH, MEETING LAST WEEK, WHICH, WHICH SECRETARY MILLER AND SOME OF THE SECRETARY MILLER'S COMMENTS WERE VERY ENCOURAGING IN THAT THEY REALIZED THE SMART SCALE IS AN IMPERFECT SYSTEM.
IT WAS DECENT, IT COULD BE IMPROVED UPON.
THE QUESTION WOULD BE WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE CATEGORIES FOR SMART SCALE AND HOW THEY'RE WEIGHTED.
I THINK IT PUTS US AT DISADVANTAGE, WHICH IS HARD TO SAY WHEN WE JUST NEWS
UM, BUT IS I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD HELP TO INFLUENCE ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES TO SMART SCALE AS IT COMES UP.
AND HOW DO WE PLUG IN, HOW CAN THE BOARD GIVE AIR COVER OR SUPPORT TO E EQUIP STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT? SO ONE OF THE FIRST WAYS WE'VE ENGAGED IN THAT IS AFTER EVERY ROUND OF SMART SCALE, THEY SENT OUT A HOW WE DO SURVEY ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT IT IS.
AND TALKING TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW, MINE INCLUDED, SCATHING RESPONSES AS FAR AS HOW THEY, HOW THEY PRIORITIZE HIGHWAY PROJECTS VERSUS LIKE PET RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A REGIONAL DISSENT, IF YOU WILL, AS FAR AS SMART SCALE GOES.
UM, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EMPIRICAL DATA, WHEN YOU TAKE THE PERCENTAGES AND THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, A BIG PART OF THAT, LIKE THAT FACILITIES ARE GENERALLY CHEAPER THAN YOUR MAJOR HIGHWAY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
IT'S, IS THAT THE RIGHT AVENUE FOR FUNDING THOSE PROJECTS? SHOULD SMART SCALE LOOK AT THE MORE EXPENSIVE LEVERAGE APPLICATIONS FOR AN INTERCHANGE FOR A NEW HIGHWAY AND SO ON? YES.
WELL, AND I THINK, AND I THINK THAT THERE'S GAPS IN THE, THE WAITING OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA OPEN UP AND WE, WE LACK, YOU SEE IT ALL THE TIME, THE LACK OF SITE READINESS.
UH, THEY HAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION THAT I'D LOVE STAFF TO SEE, UM, FROM THAT MEETING TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY INDUSTRIES ARE CHOOSING TO GO WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
AND INFRASTRUCTURE IS A BIG PART OF THAT, SPECIFICALLY ROADWAYS.
SO, UM, BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO AGAIN, BE A BIG PLAYER, BE A SMALL COUNTY, BUT A BIG PLAYER IN DRIVING THOSE DECISIONS.
UM, SO THE, UM, TRANSPORTATION FUNDING VIA SMART SCALE WAS CREATED BY THE GENERAL OF THAT MECHANISM
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MM-HMM.SO THE, THE CATEGORIES THEMSELVES ARE A PART OF SMART SCALE, BUT EACH REGION OF VIRGINIA WAITS EACH ONE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT IS DONE AT THE, I BELIEVE AT THE VDI SLASH STATE LEVEL AT OBE.
UM, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THOSE KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVELY.
WHICH CAN BE CHALLENGING CAUSE THE, THE PLAYING FIELD KEEPS CHANGING CHANGED.
SO, AND THEN PART OF THAT LANDSCAPE IS ALSO HOW DOES CHANGING IT IMPACT OUR STANDING? DO WE, DO WE BECOME MORE, DO WE GAIN AN ADVANTAGE OR DO WE JUST MOVE UP WITH EVERYBODY ELSE? RIGHT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING'S RIGHT.
UM, OKAY, SO, SO THIS CHART, LIKE I SAID, I EXCLUDED THE FUNDING, UH, WHAT'S IT ELIGIBLE FOR EACH FUNDING CATEGORY BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT REALLY COMPARABLE SO TO SPEAK.
SO THE OTHER CATEGORIES ON HERE, AND, AND THIS IS RANKED IN ORDER OF PRIORITY BASED OFF THE FORMULA THAT ISN'T INCLUDED ON THE SCREEN.
UM, BUT THE PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE HERE REALLY THAT ARE THE PRIORITIES ARE SAFETY NEEDS.
THEY'VE BEEN RECOMMENDED IN PREVIOUS STUDIES.
UM, THE ONE OUTLIER THAT IS NOTED AS A NEED IS THE WHITEHAWK BRIDGE REPLACEMENT CONCEPT.
IT ONLY STORES FOR THE FIRST RESPONDER BARRIER, CUZ THAT'S, UM, IT'S NOT IDENTIFIED AS A STATE NEED, SO TO SPEAK.
CAUSE IT'S ON WHITEHAT ROAD, WHICH IS A FAIR WHITE ROAD, WHICH IS A, A FAIRLY MINOR ROAD.
IT'S NOT IN A DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA.
AND SO ON, JUST TAKE A STEP BACK.
THIS IS A LIST OF, SO WHAT IS, DOES THIS INCLUDE, WHAT DOES THIS LIST INCLUDE? DOES IT INCLUDE SMART APPLICATIONS? INCLUDE IN THE PAST THIS, CAUSE WE KNOW WE WANT TO DO THIS LIST IS AN ALL ENCOMPASS CAME BACK FROM THE, UM, SO, SO THIS LIST IS AN ALL ENCOMPASSING LIST OF TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT THE COUNTY'S HAD AS A LIST FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
WENT THROUGH THOSE FIVE CRITERIA.
AND DID IT THIS INCLUDE STUDIES ARE CURRENT UNDERWAY AS FAR AS THE LIKE TRANSCRIPT, LIKE THE COURTHOUSE AREA STUDIES, LIKE THE SECOND ONE? YES, IT DOES.
AND THEN WE'VE ASSIGNED WEIGHTED VALUES.
SO YOU KNOW, 10% FOR FIRST RESPONDENT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S POTENTIALLY STILL NOT ON THE LIST.
WE KNOW IS A FAST FOLLOWER MM-HMM.
SO THIS IS MEANT TO BE ALL-ENCOMPASSING OF VERY CLOSE TO BE DONE STUDIES.
UM, CERTAINLY THIS LIST IS NOT FINAL AS WE DO MORE STUDIES AND GET MORE TIAS WITH DEVELOPMENT, UM, SOMETHING COULD PLUG IN AND JUMP TO NUMBER ONE TOMORROW.
UM, BUT THIS IS AGAIN, KIND OF IN A EMPIRIC LIST IN ORDER FROM TOP TO BOTTOM OF HOW THOSE WAITING CRITERIA SPIT OUT ARE WHAT THE FORMULA SEES IS OUR COUNTY PRIORITIES.
NOW HAVING SAID THAT, WHAT I DIDN'T INCLUDE, LIKE I SAID, WAS THE FUNDING SCENARIO.
SO IT CHANGES A LITTLE BIT CUZ NOT EVERYTHING IS ELIGIBLE IN THIS ORDER BEFORE THAT.
SO THE SAFETY TO ME, WELL MAYBE I, OKAY.
MAYBE I SEE WHY YOU SPLIT IT OUT.
SO THE FIRST RESPONDER BARRIER IS A SAFETY ISSUE IN MY MIND BECAUSE THAT TIRE TRUCK GETS MY HOUSE.
SO IT'S SPLIT OUT IN THAT THE SAFETY NEED IS A, IT, IT IT'S A, IT'S SURFACE CRASH DATA.
IT'S ADT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SURFACE SAFETY DATA.
IT'S THE FIRST RESPONDER BARRIER IS INCLUDED BECAUSE IF THEY IDENTIFIED A INTERSECTION A STREET AS, HEY, WE CAN'T USE THIS FACILITY TO GET WHERE WE NEED TO GO, I E WHITE HAUL AND THE OTHER WEIGHT LIMIT BRIDGES IN THE COUNTY, UM, THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD GET CHECKED OFF.
AND I MEAN AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO GET THE OTHER WEIGHT LIMITED BRIDGES CORRECT.
CAUSE THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST AS BAD.
AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE RESPONDING TIME RESPONSE TIME.
SO WITH THAT, THE, SO WITH THIS LIST, ROCK CASTLE AND THE OTHER, SO, UM, MONT THE PAVING PROJECT, THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER PAVING AND OR MAINTENANCE PROJECTS.
THIS IS THINGS THAT WE WOULD PURSUE FUNDING FOR IN FUNDING APPLICATIONS LIKE THIS.
SO THIS, SO THEN THIS IS NOT THE COMPREHENSIVE LIST.
THE COMPREHENSIVE LIST WOULD INCLUDE ALL THAT YOU DOING.
I LEFT THOSE ITEMS TO JUST BE NOD.
SO THEY'VE GOT THEIR SIX YEAR PLAN.
WE, WE WOULD HAVE OUR SIX YEAR PLAN THAT WOULDN'T INCLUDE THOSE MAINTENANCE ITEMS. GOTCHA.
SO, SO THIS IS INTENDED TO BE JUST SHY OF A CIP P IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE AIMING FOR.
SO WHICH LIST IS THE CONCRETE BRIDGE?
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH BEAT ON TO IDENTIFY, TO MAKE SURE IT IS ONCE AGAIN A
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RECOMMENDED SOLUTION THROUGH A WEST CREEK ACCESS.THE WEST CREEK INTERCHANGE ACCESS REPORT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING NOW IS KIND OF DEVOLVED INTO A OVERALL WEST CREEK CAMPUS, IF YOU WILL ACCESS, UH, STUDY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
NOT ONLY THAT PARTICULAR BRIDGE, IF THAT DOES POP OUT, UM, BUT SOME OTHER POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS THAT WE MAY NOT KNOW EXIST YET.
YEAH, I SAID THE CORPORATE PARKWAY EXTENSION BRIDGE, THE, UH,
A LOT OF DIFFERENT LARGE PROJECTS IN THERE.
SO THAT STUDY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST HAD A MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO ON THE SCOPING DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE EXCITED AND HOPEFULLY KICKS OFF VERY SHORTLY.
UM, THAT WILL KIND OF GIVE US SOME, UH, I WOULD SAY FINAL ANSWERS IN THE WEST CREEK AREA AS FAR AS THAT INNER COUNTY POSSIBLE CONNECTIVITY AS WELL AS WILSHIRE CONNECTIVITY.
WE PAID FOR A STUDY ABOUT FOUR YEARS, MAYBE LONGER.
AND THAT'S THE EXACT SAME STUDY I'M REFERENCING NOW.
SO THAT'S, WE HAVEN'T OUTLAYED ANY MORE DOLLARS.
THAT STUDY'S JUST BEEN DELAYED TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S NOW TAKING OFF BECAUSE WE HAD TO, THE PROPOSAL TO PUT AN INTERCHANGE THERE WITH NO ROAD TO CONNECT TO VDO WAS KIND OF LIKE, WE CAN'T REALLY STUDY THAT.
SO IT WAS, OKAY, WHAT DO WE DO? YOU PAID US, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH YOUR MONEY? WE'VE DEVOLVED INTO A MORE OF A COMPREHENSIVE ACCESS REVIEW OF THE WEST CREEK AREA FROM, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT BROAD TO TUCKAHOE CREEK PARKWAY HAW, THE 2 88 IN THE COUNTY LINE AREA.
IT SURE COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN, YOU KNOW, UM, TRANSPORTATION NEEDS AND I THINK SO.
I THINK SO FOR THE WHOLE, THAT WHOLE AREA.
THAT WHOLE AREA, THE PRESSURES ARE GONNA BUILD ON, THE PRESSURES ARE GONNA BUILD ON SIX AND ALL THAT.
THE TRAFFIC PRESSURE, TRAFFIC PRESSURE, PRESSURE OFF.
SO I THINK WE'RE GETTING ALL REALLY FREE END OF THAT COUNTY.
WE'RE GETTING THE CENTERVILLE AREA, WE'RE GETTING THIS WEST CREEK KIND OF MIDDLE AREA.
AND THEN EVENTUALLY THE SPEEDER COMPLETES THAT WILL BE REALLY THE, THE ENTIRE EASTERN END OF THE COUNTY FROM AN ACCESS STANDPOINT KIND OF REVIEWED.
CAN, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT, WHAT VRAN IS LIKE 30% HIGH SCHOOL? CAN YOU, AND I'M SORRY IF YOU SAID THIS EARLIER, EARLIER STARTING THE PRESENTATION, BUT WHAT DOES A VRAN NEED? CAN YOU GIMME VRAN NEED IS V NINE AND O'S PORTAL OF, HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE ACRONYM STANDS FOR, BUT IT INTERMODAL PLANNING IT, IT IT IS THE, UM, OR YOU HOW VRAN CORRECT.
YEAH, VRAN, UM, IT, IT'S THE STATE'S COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF ALL IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF, OKAY.
THEY SEE THIS ROAD AS A NEED BASED ON DATA.
THEY SEE THIS ROAD AS A NEED, VARIOUS NEEDS BASED ON DATA.
UM, IT CERTAINLY, IT LOOKS AT THINGS LIKE INTERCHANGES FOR SAFETY NEEDS, URBAN DEVELOPMENT AREAS, WHICH THE COUNTY HAS QUITE A FEW OF.
UM, ALL ROADS WITHIN URBAN DEVELOPMENT AREAS ARE AUTOMATICALLY CONSIDERED NEEDS ON VRAN.
SO THEY AUTOMATICALLY CHECK THAT BOX.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S THE STATE ALMOST CONCURRING WITH LOCALITY SAYING WE AGREE THAT THIS IS A NEED.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THE STATE'S INDEPENDENT CONCURRENCES OF SUPPORTING FOR OUR PRIORITIES.
HAVING VRAN CONCURRENCE, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO HAVE THAT TO, TO GET STATE AND OR FEDERAL FUNDING.
SO, WELL I'M THINKING A LOT OF THINGS MADE THE V SO VRAN HAS A PRETTY BIG LIST.
DO THEY, DO THEY PRIOR WITHIN THEIR LIST, DO THEY PRIORITIZE? THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T.
IT IS JUST A COMPREHENSIVE PROJECT LIST OF THIS ROAD.
THEY DON'T TELL ME HOW TO FIX IT.
AND THEY DON'T TELL YOU HOW, WHAT THAT NEED IS RELATIVE TO OTHER NEEDS THAT THEY WOULD DONE.
IS IT JUST CLEAR, IS THERE A SLIGHTLY DARKER LINE ON THE FLOOR FLYING DOWN? IT'S AND WHAT'S THE THAT IT, IT'S JUST HOW THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET CAME TO THE POWERPOINT.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL IT FROZEN PAINT, RIGHT? CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE LOWER HAS ALL THE SAME FOUR XS.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THINK IT'S JUST THE HOW, HOW, HOW IT VISUALLY CAME IN WITH THE PROBLEM PIXELS.
SO THE WILKES RIDGE BACK TO THAT WIL CREEK WILKES RIDGE PARKWAY EXTENSION, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA SCORE WELL BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE VRAN AND IT'S JUST IN A GROWTH AREA.
WELL, AND IT'S WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT DO YOU DO? WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THAT? LIKE, IT'S NOT VRAN.
WE KNOW IT'S, WELL, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY OPEN SOME THINGS UP.
IT'S, IT'S NOT CURRENT ON VRAN BECAUSE IT'S NOT A ROAD.
SO IF THE ROADS HAVE TO EXIST TO BE ON VRAN, UM, SO THE FUTURE PLANNED ROADS AREN'T GONNA HIT THAT BOX.
BUT THEN AGAIN, THEY WOULDN'T NEED THAT FOR FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE DISTINCTION KIND OF GETS MADE THERE.
SO, AND THAT'S WHY THE STUDIES GO TO HELP THAT AS WELL.
SO ALL THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE TO E CHAN X, THEY'RE EXISTING ROADS MM-HMM.
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CORRECT.SWA, YOU DIDN'T SAID THAT THIS WAS YOUR KIND OF EMPIRICAL WAY TO LOOK AT THESE.
IS THERE A NEED FOR US TO REACT AT THIS POINT TO THE ORDER OR, SO THE REACTION REALLY COMES FROM STACK'S RECOMMENDED PRIORITIES, WHICH TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THAT KEY DETERMINATION POINT OF AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT OTHER SLIDE WITH THE FUNDING CYCLES.
THAT WITH THE OTHER LIST, THIS IS WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS AS WHAT WE SHOULD PURSUE FOR FUNDING FOR PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
AND THIS IS REALLY WHERE THE BULK OF THE DISCUSSION IS, I'M HOPING SURROUNDS WITH THIS WORKSHOP.
UM, WITH THAT, I'LL REAL QUICK, UM, WE CAN, THE, THE GOAL OF THE WORKSHOP WAS TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THIS AT THE END SO I CAN FLIP THROUGH OKAY.
UM, THE REST OF THE INFORMATION, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD.
JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GET THE PRESENTATION IS ONLY, I THINK THROUGH WE'LL GET YOU.
UM, BUT ADEQUATE GLANCE, THIS IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR FUNDING OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
UM, WITH THAT, ONE THING I WILL POINT OUT IS THE WHITE HALL ROAD BRIDGE REPLACEMENT IS NOTED FOR AN SGR THIS YEAR.
V I IS ACTUALLY ALREADY UNDERTAKEN THAT ON OUR BEHALF.
IT IS, UH, PENDING SCORES SOMETIME THIS MONTH.
SO WE SHOULD FIND OUT IF IT'S LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET THE MONEY THROUGH THAT PROGRAM THIS MONTH.
UM, THERE'S CERTAINLY NO GUARANTEES, BUT SOMETIMES PROJECTS TAKE MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS, BUT ONCE IT'S IN THE SYSTEM, VDOT KNOWS IT'S A NEED, KNOWS THE COUNTY WANTS IT, AND MONEY DOES OCCASIONALLY FALL FROM THE SKY IT HAS BEFORE FOR US.
SO, SO THE FACT THAT VDOT PUT IT IN AS OPPOSED TO US PUTTING IT IN IS THAT, IS THERE ANY SIGNIFICANCE IN THAT? THERE'S NOT, UH, VDOT HAS KIND OF TAKEN OVER A LOT OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR LOCALITIES, FOR SGR, FOR BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECTS STANDARD BECAUSE IT'S SO NICHE.
BECAUSE BRIDGES AREN'T SOMETHING THAT LOCALITIES, I DON'T THINK OTHER THAN HAVE RIGHT.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS DEDICATED TO BRIDGES.
SO I THINK THEY JUST KIND OF WANNA KEEP THAT ALL, ALL IN HOUSE, BUT THEY'RE COMPETING STATEWIDE FOR FUNDING.
CAUSE IT IS A SPECIALTY THING.
SO IT'S A COMPETITION STATEMENT.
IT'S NOT A DISTRICT BUCKET MONEY.
WE, FOR THIS IS A COMPETITION CROP.
ONE NICE THING THOUGH IS IT DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST YOUR ABILITY TO SUBMIT APPLICATIONS.
RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT OUR, IF YOU CORRECT THERE, SO THESE PROJECTS ARE LISTED UP AS PROPERTIES OF AS OF TODAY.
UM, SOMETHING COULD CERTAINLY CHANGE TOMORROW.
SOMETHING COULD CHANGE NEXT WEEK WITH A NEW REZONING APPLICATION, A NEW T A NEW STUDY.
UM, WHEN WE GET SPEED OF WEST CREEK, UH, ALL THESE SMALL AREA PLANS, SOMETHING COULD CERTAINLY POP OUT OF ONE OF THOSE.
UM, THE WHOLE GOAL HERE IS TO REMAIN COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY FLEXIBLE.
AND THAT EVEN AS A PROJECT, HEY, WE MAY HAVE A PROJECT LISTED IN 2025, WELL IT'S ACTUALLY TURNS OUT TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR SOMETHING IN 2024.
WELL, LET'S BUMP SOMETHING IN 2024.
SO IT'S TO REMAIN COMPLETELY FLEXIBLE AND THAT'S, THAT'S GOAL THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
UM, SO WITH THAT, THE GLAND'S SIX YEAR PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER AS KIND OF A CIP P LIGHT.
IT'S, IT'S EVERYTHING BUT A CIP P.
SO THIS IS EVERY PROJECT THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR COMPETITIVE FUNDS AND HAS THE FUNDS LAID OUT.
I WILL POINT OUT THE ACTION WHERE DDI I CHOSE IS NOT TO BE FULLY FUNDED.
THAT'S BECAUSE VDI IS NOT PROGRAMMED WITH THOSE FUNDS YET.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY FALL, UH, DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO JUST PUT THEM WHERE I THOUGHT THEY MAY FALL.
SO THAT WILL BE UPDATED AGAINST, THIS IS THE DRAFT PLAN PENDING THE ADOPTION OF THE CTBS UPCOMING SIX YEAR PLAN.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS AS WE GO THROUGH THE DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS LATER, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT FUNDING BREAKS DOWN FOR EACH OF THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND THEN SOME OF THE FUTURE TOPICS.
UM, ONE THING THAT I WANNA POINT OUT IS, IS I THINK MAYBE BECOME A PRIORITY IS THE VDO S LOCALLY ADMINISTERED PROJECT PROGRAM, UH, LAP PROGRAM WHERE WE ARE, I THINK AS A COUNTY GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE, WE MAY BE READY TO LOCALLY ADMINISTER A FEW SMALL PROJECTS AND THEN MOVE UP.
UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF POSITIVE MOMENTUM TOWARDS THAT FRONT.
UH, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN SIX MONTHS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW WHERE WE'RE UNDERTAKING OUR FIRST PROJECT, BUT MAKING SURE THAT THE BOARD'S AWARE OF ALL OF WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
I KNOW OUR FIRST PROJECT WAS THE EAST DAY TRAIL PROJECT.
I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF LEARNING THAT WAS KIND OF DONE ON OH YEAH.
SO, SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BECOME ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES MOVING FORWARD.
HOW, HOW DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF, WE CAN KIND OF CONTROL SOME OF THE COST ESTIMATES A LITTLE BIT WHERE VDO T'S CONTINGENCIES ARE PER VDO.
IF WE DON'T FEEL A PROJECT WARRANTS A 30% CONTINGENCY FACTOR FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT ONE ON THERE.
IT'S, IT'S OUR DISCRETION ON COST ESTIMATES SCHEDULE, UM, SCHEDULE AS WELL.
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SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO CONTRACTOR SELECTION, UH, YOU CAN DO A LOT MORE WITH, UM, UH, SWAM KIND OF, YOU KNOW, YOUR SMALL WOMEN AND MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES, UM, WITH YOUR BIDDING PROCESS, YOU KNOW, FOR SMALL, UM, JOBS AS WELL.UM, AND TYPICALLY WITH LOCALITIES, UH, GREAT OPPORTUNITIES, YOUR TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE PROJECTS LIKE A STREET SKATE, UM, CURB CUTS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO YOUR, YOUR SMALLER FOOTPRINTS ARE GOOD STARTS.
SO NOT THAT THIS IS BY ANY MEANS A PROJECT THAT HAS A FULL GREEN LIGHT, BUT UM, AS WE SAW IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE PLAN, THERE WAS SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR CURB CUTS OR A ROAD DIET WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING IN A, YOU KNOW, ONE BLOCK PIECE WHERE THAT'S, THAT'S A SMALL FOOTPRINT, UM, WORKING WITHIN YOUR ALREADY RIGHT OF WAY.
YOU'RE NOT DOING RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
DOESN'T MEAN WE WOULD BRING ON A PROJECT MANAGER.
WHAT DO YOU SEE US GETTING THE POINT WHERE YOU WOULD'VE A FULL-TIME PROJECT MANAGER? OR ARE WE CONTRACTING THAT OUT? YOU COULD CONTRACT OUT AT FIRST, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GET TO WHERE YOU HAD ONE AND, UM, BUILD THE PROJECTS AND TALK ABOUT, I MEAN, IS THAT, DO YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADING IN TERMS? WELL THAT'S PART OF WHAT, WHAT STAFF'S GONNA BE REVIEWING AS PART OF THIS AND WE BRING IT TO THE BOARD AS PART OF A WORKSHOP.
WE'LL BE KIND OF HAVING A LOT OF THAT CONVERSATION.
MAYBE THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION OF WE THINK THIS PROJECT'S THE BEST ONE TO START WITH.
WE'RE GONNA CONTRACT IT OUT, OR WE'RE GONNA DO IT IN HOUSE AND HERE'S HOW THE PROCESS IS GONNA GO.
HERE'S WHAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF.
SO I I, I WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE WHAT WE, WE BRING TO YOU.
UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE TEMPLATE THAT THE BOARD AND STAFF WOULD BE AWARE OF MOVING FORWARD FOR PROJECTS.
SO WITH THAT, UM, QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION ON THE, UM, YEAH.
THE OTHER FUTURE TOPICS ARE CBTA LOCAL FUND ALLOWANCE, SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THAT WE'RE HOPING TO BRING IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
THE, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO HAVE A THRESHOLD IS, I I THINK THE WRONG WORD, BUT IT WILL ALLOWANCE TO USE CBT LOCAL FUNDS FOR VERY SMALL AMOUNTS IN CONJUNCTION WITH PROJECTS TO NOT ALWAYS HAVE TO COME TO THE BOARD.
UH, UH, BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST WORKSHOP I HAD TO COME TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL ON $4,000 TO FINISH THE H ROAD SMART SCALE APPLICATION.
UM, FORTUNATELY THE TIMING, IT'S ALL WORKED OUT, BUT $4,000 IS SOMETHING THE STAFF FIELD WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO, TO ALLOCATE IN THAT REGARD.
WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE TECHNICALITIES OF ALL OF THAT, BUT WE'LL HAVE ALL THAT IRON DOWN WHEN WE DO BREAK A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
CBTA SCORING, CBTA SCORING AND TPO SCORING ARE GONNA BE TWO ITEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA BREAK FORWARD JUST CONSISTENTLY AS APPLICATION CYCLES GO.
UH, CBTA OPENS UP FOR, UH, APPLICATIONS THIS FALL AND TPOS NEW APPLICATION CYCLE, UH, RECENTLY CLOSED.
AND SO HAS THE TPO ADOPTED THE, OR WELL, IT'S A CBTA THAT WE CAN TAKE.
IT'S A C ON THE CBTA SIDE TO FUND ONE PROJECT THAT WE JUST PICK.
WE CAN SAY THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR, THOSE RULES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
THOSE THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO THAT.
WHICH I WAS TRYING TO READ WHICH ONE OF THOSE.
SO THAT ONE IS THE FAIRGROUND ROAD.
IT IS NOT ELIGIBLE TRADITIONALLY FOR CBT A BUT THAT WAS, THAT'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, THE ONE OFF THE WILDCARD GOTCHA PROJECT.
SO THAT ONE AND WHERE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COSTS OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVE A PLANNING COST ESTIMATE FROM THE FAIR NUMBER OF STUDY.
HOWEVER, PLANNING COST ESTIMATES ARE NOTORIOUSLY LOW.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT NUMBER IS? IT WAS TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, BUT THE ONE RIGHT HERE WAS FIVE AND A HALF.
THAT'LL GIVE US A STARTING POINT.
AND WE HAVE MORE, WE HAVE MORE LAND ACQUISITION PROBABLY UP AT THE OTHER INTERSECTION.
THERE WOULD BE NOT FREE RIGHT OF WAY.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME ENCUMBERED RIGHT OF WAY HERE ON, UH, AT, AT TAYLOR'S AND SUCH, BUT I KNOW SOME OF THAT RIGHT AWAYS ALSO DONATED.
SO THAT WAS A COST SAVING ON FAIR ROUNDABOUT RIGHT HERE.
SO I THOUGHT ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT SEEMED A LITTLE BIT MORE FAVORABLE COSTWISE AND JUST FROM A WAS JUST DIFFERENT TURN LANESS THERE NOT NECESSARILY FULL ROUNDABOUT.
SO THE TURN LANES, IT IS, IT IS STAFF AND VIDOS OPINION THAT THE TURN LANES DON'T ACTUALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM, THE INTERSECTION IS FAILED BECAUSE OF THE MAIDEN ROAD APPROACHES.
PUTTING TURN LANES ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD DOES NOTHING TO GET TRAFFIC OFF OF MA ROAD.
SO NO, I DON'T, BUT SO IT, IT IS A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT DOES IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION TO A, THE NS DEGREE, BUT IT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF AND VDO STAFF, ALTHOUGH THINK IS WORTH PURSUING.
SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THIS LIST.
ANYTHING ELSE IN THE PRESENTATION? YOU MENTIONED THE CCP YOU'RE SCORING THIS FALL, THE APPLICATION CYCLE OPENS UP THIS FALL.
SO SCORING WOULD BE THIS 23 ARE REALLY THIS FALL MM-HMM.
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SO FOR INSTANCE, 2 88 ADDITIONAL LANES YES.WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE SCORED IN THE SPRING OF 24 AND THEN FUNDS WOULD BE ALLOCATED IN 2024.
AND THEN, UM, PROJECTS WOULD THEN GET AGREEMENTS AND, AND START MOVING FORWARD 2024.
SO THE 23 IS REALLY FOR FALL APPLICATION.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION PRIORITY TABLE MORE THAN ANYTHING.
IT IS ABOUT, SAY WE'RE GETTING MONEY THIS YEAR, CORRECT? NO SIR.
THIS YEAR WE'RE APPLY FOR FUTURE FUNDING TO MAYBE DO IT LATER.
THE UH, I 64 OILVILLE, WILL THAT GET US TO A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED? THIS WILL YES.
THAT'S THE REGISTER PIECE THAT WE YES.
IN CONVERSATIONS WITH VDOT THAT WE'RE ROUNDABOUT IT'S RELATIVELY LOW ASK THROUGH REVENUE SHARE.
WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT'S GONNA GET, UH, FULLY FUNDED THROUGH MR YOU APPOINTED TO LOCAL IS LOCAL TO FAIR ROAD SECTION THAT WILL BE FOR CORRECT.
ALL ON ROAD THINGS ARE FLOW FROM THE STUDY.
SO THE HAW TOWN, UH, TURN LANES STUFF THAT, THAT WAS IN THE RECOMMENDATION? YES.
SO WE SOUTHBOUND THAT'S THE AUXILIARY HARSH THE RUNNING THING.
IS THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY, WE HOLD IT THIS TIME OR JUST NO GAP? WE PULLED THE, UH, THIS WAS THE PROJECT THAT HAD FUNDING THAT WE STOOD FOR THE DDI.
WHICH WE REALLY, CAUSE THAT'S A BIG ONE FOR RIGHT.
SO WITH THAT WE DID COMMIT THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO PURSUE FUNDING FOR THE AUXILIARY LANE.
UM, THE 2 88 SOUTHBOUND HARD SHOULDER RUNNING LANE IS, IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE COMPANION TO THE NORTHBOUND HARD SHOULDER RUNNING LANE THAT IS, UH, GONNA BE FULLY FUNDED NOT THROUGH SMART SCALE.
NOW IT'S, I THINK GONNA BE THROUGH THE BUDGET, THE STATE BUDGET.
UM, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE FULLY FUNDED.
UM, SO THAT'S A PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BE UNDERWAY.
THE THE ROUND 2 88 STAR STUDY THAT WAS SERVED 2018, THE SOUTHBOUND HARSH RUNNING LANE PROVIDES SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO THE 2 88 CORRIDOR COUNTY.
THE DELAYS WE CERTAINLY WERE SEEING WHEN FOLKS WERE BACK WORK FULL-TIME, UH, FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
UM, WITH THOSE COMPANIES OPENING BACK UP PRETTY CONSISTENTLY, AT LEAST ON A HYBRID SCHEDULE.
WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THOSE DELAYS AGAIN IN THE WEST CREEK AREA ON 2 88.
UM, SO STAFF THINKS IT'S A PROJECT THAT WE REALLY WANT TO FORWARD WITH AND IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PROJECT, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE IT BOTH HERE.
THE INTENT FOR THE CBT APPLICATION IS FOR LEVERAGING FUNDS AND THEN APPLY FOR SMART SCALE IN 2024.
S ONLY THREE DIFFERENT PLACES.
AND SO THE REASON, IF YOU SEE A PROJECT IN MULTIPLE PLACES, IT'S, WE GOING TO ASK FOR LEVERAGING FUNDS HERE, USE IT FOR SMART SCALE.
SO WE'VE MAY ASK FOR BACK 30% OF THE FUNDS OF THE COST ESTIMATE HERE, ASK FOR THE REMAINDER HERE.
IF FOR SOME REASON WE'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL, WE MAY EXPLORE ONE OF THESE TWO OPTIONS.
REVENUE SHARE AND OR CBTA COMBINATION OF THE TWO TO FINISH OFF THE PROJECT.
OUR ROADMAP SO THAT MS. MCGEE, MCGEE APOLOGIZE.
IT'S OUR ROADMAP AND STRATEGY FOR KIND OF HOW WE'RE LAYING OUT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT AVENUES TO PURSUE.
WHEN YOU WERE, WHEN I, WHEN I, YOU WERE JUST ANSWERING THAT, WHERE DO YOU, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA DECIDE, YOU KNOW, THAT 30% IS WHAT WE WANT TO APPLY FOR CBG.
THAT'S THE AMOUNT WE WANNA LEVERAGE.
HOW, HOW DO YOU GET AN SENSE OF, PART OF THAT'S A TRADE SECRET? MAYBE NO.
PART OF THAT IS AS WE WORK TO GET THE APPLICATION STRAIGHT, PART OF THAT IS SUBMITTING AN UPDATED COST ESTIMATING WORKBOOK WITH THE THE VDOT WORKBOOK.
SO EVERYTHING'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE VDOT SYSTEM NOW.
IF COST ESTIMATE JUMPS, OKAY, MAYBE FULL FUNDING AT $25 MILLION.
LET'S SAY IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN CBTA CAN GIVE TO ONE PARTICULAR PROJECT NEXT ROUND.
LET'S SHOOT FOR 10, 12, MAYBE CBT HAS A SWEET SPOT NOW THAT IT'S STARTING TO GET OUT OF ITS INFANCY STAGE AND THEN WE SHOOT FOR THAT.
MAYBE IT'S JUST SHY BEING A GUARANTEE, BUT LET'S SAY WE GET THAT MONEY THEN WE KNOW WE CAN ROLL THAT INTO SMART SCALE.
AND SMART SCALE WE KNOW HAS A SWEET SPOT OF FIVE TO 12, SEVEN TO 12 MILLION.
PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING IN THAT RANGE WILL GET FUNDED IN TRADITIONAL SMART SCALE ROUNDS MOVING FORWARD IT MAY CHANGE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN HISTORICALLY.
SO YOU ALSO GAUGE THAT, THAT IF YOU HAVE A 20 MILLION PROJECT, 10 AND 10, SO YOU, YOU KIND OF, BUT IT'S ALL DEPENDENT ON THE UPDATED COST ESTIMATE.
UH, REMIND ME AGAIN, WHICH OF THE 2 88 PROJECTS, UH, MONEY WAS UH, DIVERTED TO THE DIAMOND, THE OF LANE.
SO THAT'S A FULL EXTRA LANE, RIGHT? TRADITIONAL
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LANE FROM BROAD STREET, TAHOE CREEK PARKWAY.NOT, YEAH, NOT THE HARD UH, CORRECT.
SO OUR SHOULDER RUNNING LANE, THE SOUTHBOUND WILL BE FROM WEST CREEK PARKWAY TO ROUTE 7-ELEVEN
RIGHT? CAUSE IT GOES THERE ACROSS ROAD, ACROSS THE BRIDGE BRIDGE.
IT'S THE WAY TO ADD A LANE WITHOUT ADDING A LANE.
DO WE, DO WE KNOW IF PLAN R DA SUBMITTED THAT LAST PROMPT, DO WE KNOW IF THEIR PLAN CONTINUING TO SUBMIT IT? AND THOSE WILL BE CONTINUING CONVERSATIONS.
I THINK THEY DID SUBMIT IT LAST TIME.
IT WOULD BE STAFF'S INTENT RIGHT NOW TO TAKE IT ON, ASSUMING THEY WON'T.
BUT IF THEY DO, AGAIN BEING FLEXIBLE, IT FREES UP A SLIDE.
WHAT CAN WE SLIDE IN, WHAT NOW'S ELIGIBLE AND SO ON.
SO THOSE ARE JUST CONTINUING CONVERSATIONS.
DID, DID WE HAVE, THIS IS SHIFTING AWAY FROM THAT, BUT THE, THE ADDITIONAL INTERCHANGE ON 2 88 JUST MM-HMM.
WHERE, WHERE IS THAT? SO THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE FOR THAT, UH, MS. LAS BROUGHT UP, WE STARTED FUNDING THAT ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO.
UM, THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE ORIGINALLY A INTERCHANGE ACCESS REPORT, MUCH LIKE WE'RE DOING FOR THE D D I.
FOR THE NEW INTERCHANGE ON 2 88.
HOWEVER, THAT NEW INTERCHANGE WOULD CONNECT TO NOTHING.
SO YOU CAN'T STUDY AN INTERCHANGE TO CONNECT TO NOTHING.
SO WE'VE, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY CUT HIM A CHECK, WE'VE DECIDED, OH OKAY, THIS IS A A, I REMEMBER YOU GOING OVER THIS.
SO, SO THAT'S WHERE IT IS NOW WE'RE DOING THAT MAJOR KIND OF WEST CREEK ACCESS WITH THE SAME MONEY INSTEAD DOING A, A FINITE INTERCHANGE, WHICH I THINK IS THE RIGHT STEP.
AN INTERCHANGE IS LIKELY TO STILL BE A RECOMMENDATION OUT OF THAT STUDY AND VARIOUS OTHER CONNECTION POINTS.
UM, BUT NOT HAVING A BRIDGE TO CONNECT TO IS KIND OF HARD TO STUDY.
JUST COORDINATING DIFFERENT PARTIES.
I KNOW WE HAVEN'T STARTED SPEED YET, BUT WE GOT TWO THAT AREA, AND I KNOW WE HAVEN'T POPULATED THIS FROM ANYTHING YET CAUSE THE STUDY HASN'T TOLD US, BUT THERE ARE TWO PROBLEMATIC AND THIS IS A TWO YEAR AND AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO PUT WHERE RIVER ROAD COMES PATERSON.
IT'S KINDA A FIVE INTERSECTION WITH THE COUNTRY ABOVE AND STONE.
AND IT COMES IN ON AN ANGLE WITH VERY LIMITED VISIBILITY.
YOU'VE GOTTA CLOSE YOUR EYES ACROSS HIGHWAY TRAFFIC MILES VISIBILITY.
SO IT DOESN'T WARRANT ANYTHING.
NOW THE TRAFFIC COUNTS AND INCIDENT RATES PROBABLY DON'T RISE TO THAT LEVEL YET.
THERE BEEN CENTER STREET AND IF ANY DEVELOPMENT OCCURS THAT'S, WE KNOW THAT'S COMING.
THAT'S REALIGNMENT AT THE BY CORRECT SIDEWAY BY SUNSET.
THAT'S OTHER THE WHERE TRAFFIC FROM 88 SPILLS OVER ON, TURN THE PARKWAY THERE DOWN THE, AND TRY TO CUT BACK AND UH, PASS SOME OF THAT STOP TRAFFIC.
THERE'S BEEN FIVE 30 CARS STACKED UP.
THAT'S NO WAY LANES, IF YOU HAVE A TENANT DRIVE YOU WAITS FOR TO BE VERY SAFE.
THEY COULDN'T TURN STACK UP 15.
SO WE ALREADY THAT ALREADY CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, NOT ALL DAY.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT DEAD CENTER SPEED, BUT IT'S ANY DEVELOPMENT SPEEDING AREA THOUSANDS.
NOW AGAIN, WE, WE'VE GOT TWO INTERSECTIONS.
NOW THAT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH FORESIGHT TO SEE THAT THOSE ARE GONNA SHOW UP ON VERY SOON AND YET HAVEN'T GOT A THREE YEAR.
SO I DUNNO EXACTLY HOW TO WORK THAT INTO THIS CONVERSATION.
BUT WE DON DISCOVERED AND UH, WE OUGHT TO ACCOUNT FOR SOME FASHION AND SAY THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE SOME.
SO I THINK, SO PART OF THAT IS AS WE GET NEW PROJECTS, IT'S GOING THROUGH THIS AND THEN SEEING, HEY, IF IT JUMPS TO THE TOP, THEN ABSOLUTELY IT'S GONNA BUMP SOMETHING ON THIS LIST.
THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION INTERNALLY AND
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IT IT'LL BE POTENTIALLY A FUTURE WORKSHOP ITEM OR, OR A TWO BY TWO ITEM TO SAY, HEY LOOK, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD.WE'RE BUMPING THIS TPO APPLICATION FOR EXAMPLE AND WE'RE GONNA USE POCKET AND ROUTE SIX INSTEAD BECAUSE THERE'S A CLEAR ABSOLUTE NEED THAT'S GOT A GRADE OF AN F OR BELOW IF IT COULD GO THAT FAR.
AND IT IS JUST, IT'S NOT GOOD AND WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES AND SO ON.
SO I THINK THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE YOU SAID, I NEED THE DATA TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION NOW RATHER THAN JUST ARBITRARILY PICKING INTERSECTIONS.
YOU KNOW, THROWING A DART ON A MAP.
UM, SO IT'S PREMATURE TO RAISE THE IDEA THAT WE GOT STUFF COMING AROUND THE CORNER.
WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR IT COME AROUND THE CORNER BEFORE WE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IF IT'S SAYING IT'S PREMATURE, BUT IT IS BASED OFF THE DATA WE HAVE NOW.
THIS IS THE LIST THAT STAFF CAN RECOMMEND TO COMPILE.
BUT AS NEW DEVELOPMENT, LIKE I SAID, WE COULD GET A T SUBMITTED TOMORROW THAT MAY CHANGE THIS ENTIRE LIST.
I MEAN, UH, I I GO BACK TO THE DDIS BEEN A PRIORITY FOR SOME TIME, BUT ONE REZONING APPLICATION MADE A PRIORITY NUMBER ONE THROUGH 10 OVERNIGHT.
SO IT'S, EVERYTHING'S ONE STUDY AWAY FROM BEING PRIORITY NUMBER ONE.
SO THERE'S A LIVING BREATHING DOCUMENT.
I JUST FIRED THAT WARNING SHOT THAT PEOPLE LAWS.
WOULD IT BE, WOULD IT BE UM, POSSIBLE TO JUST HAVE A LIST OF FUTURE IMPACTED AREAS FOR US TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME, SOME INDICATION THAT THESE ARE INTERSECTIONS, THESE ARE STRETCHES OF ROAD, THESE ARE THINGS THAT FUTURE AREAS WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE AN ISSUE ONE DAY.
SO THEY'RE THERE LIKE, LIKE, LIKE KEN IS SAYING, IT'S, THERE'S ON, IT'S IT'S IN OUR, OUR HORIZON NOW BECAUSE WE'VE IDENTIFIED IT AND THEN PEOPLE CAN ADD TO IT AS AGAIN A SUBDIVISION COMES IN, ADDS 200 CARS A DAY AND SUDDENLY BOOM WE PUT A NEW NEW INTERSECTION ON IT.
WELL THAT'S CERTAINLY A LIST THAT WE CAN COMPILE KIND OF CALLING IT KNOWN AREAS OF CONCERN THAT WE THEN HAVE A LIST OF PROBLEMATIC INTERSECTIONS OR STRETCHES OF ROAD AND THEN HEY GOT, WE GOT A T THAT LINES UP WITH A KNOWN AREA.
OKAY, NOW IT'S A PROJECT A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE THAN WE MM-HMM.
AND THING I WAS GONNA SAY IS AS WE WORK TO KICK OFF SPEED OF, ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE CAN WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING, YOU KNOW, OUR SELECTED CONSULTANTS VERY AWARE OF THOSE TWO AREAS AND IF THEY CAN CONCENTRATE SOME EARLY ANALYSES THERE, UM, EVEN IF IT'S PRELIMINARY, THAT CAN ALSO HELP GUIDE THINGS.
CUZ AGAIN, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY A FEW MONTHS AWAY FROM KICKING THAT OFF IF NOT SOONER.
LET'S, BUT OVERALL, UM, ONE STAFF DOES REQUEST FROM THE BOARD IS A GENERAL CONCURRENCE WITH THE 2023 APPLICATION OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE BOARD OR FOR STAFF AS FAR AS CBTA TAP AND THAT REVENUE SHARE SLASH MOBILE FOR THE INTERCHANGE, UM, BEFORE CBTA APPLICATIONS, UH, ROUTE 2 88 WEST BROAD STREET IMPROVEMENTS AS A FOLLOW UP FROM THE SMART APPLICATION.
IT WAS INDICATED IN ROUTE 2 88 STAR STUDY, ROUTE TWO 50 STAR STUDY.
UH, THE MOST RECENT GATE, UH, IAR THAT DIRECTOR SUBMITTED TO THE FEDS FOR REVIEW.
UM, TWO OTHER ROUTE TWO 80 IMPROVEMENTS WE DISCUSSED AS WELL AS THAT FAIR CRIME ROAD REMAINS WERE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, ANY THOUGHTS ON THOSE FOUR CBT A APPLICATIONS? AND AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF TO BE DETERMINED AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR MONETARILY.
CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE UPDATED COST ESTIMATE ON ALL OF THOSE ISSUES.
WHAT IS CBTA AND HOW THE TPO WE'RE SO LIMITED IN WHAT WE DO FOR REVENUE SHARING AND CBTA THAT WE'RE KIND BASED ON THE CRITERIA.
SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF DICTATED OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL THAT IS PART OF IT.
THE ONE GOOD THING IS THAT WE DO HAVE THAT ONE WILD CAR.
NOW THE ONE WHICH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE ROUNDABOUT IT'S SO DO YOU NEED, I'M SORRY, BUT CBTA DO THEY HAVE, ARE WE APPLYING FOR FUNDING FOR THE PROJECTS OR ARE SOME OF THESE JUST LIKE, UH, WE WERE APPLYING FOR FUNDING FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT, BUT, BUT, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY PE WORK YET.
SO ARE WE APPLYING FOR FUNDING FOR PE? NO, WE'RE APPLYING FOR FUNDING FOR THE FULL PROJECT.
SO HOW, BUT THAT PERCENTAGE IS TO BE DETERMINED BASED ON THE COST ESTIMATES.
HOW MUCH IS GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR CBTA? SO THE BOND THAT THEY GIVE US WOULD FIRST BE USED FOR PRELIMINARY ENGINE.
UH, OR IT COULD BE USED AT ANY STAGE FOR THE PROJECT.
THE CBTA REGION THAT WE HAVE ON THE VILLE ROUNDABOUT IS, UM, $606,000 ALLOCATED IN F I 28.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE USED FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA NEED IT AT SOME POINT.
UH, BUT THERE'S NO CAVEAT AS FAR AS IT MUST BE SPENT ON PE RIGHT? WHERE CONSTRUCTION, THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
SO WE COULD DO PE OURSELF IF WE WANTED START A PRODUCT GOING CORRECT, WE COULD PAY FOR A PRELIMINARY INTERVIEW REPORT OURSELF AND
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NOT HAVE TO WAIT FOR CBTA TO DECIDE TO DO SO.IN THEORY, YOU WOULD WORK WITH VDOT TO, YOU KNOW, INITIATE YOUR WORKBOOK COST ESTIMATE, SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION, AND IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO DO 10% DESIGN, UM, YOU COULD INITIATE THAT TO BETTER REFINE COST AND HAVE A COMPETITIVE APPLICATION.
OR YOU COULD JUST APPLY FOR FULL FUNDING.
WELL I GUESS I'M ASKING THE WAY THE TPO THE STUFF WE'VE ADOPTED RECENTLY TO TRY TO MANAGE COST OVERRUNS.
WHILE IT WASN'T WHAT I THOUGHT, WHAT I GUESSED WE WOULD'VE ADOPTED WOULD'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO BE FURTHER ALONG IN PD BEFORE WE'LL EMBRACE IT.
BUT DOES CBTA HAVE ANYTHING COMPARABLE TO THAT? CUZ I WOULD THINK IF I'M CBTA LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS MONEY ON, WELL I I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THAT PROJECT IS REASON THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT'S GONNA COST.
WE'RE OVER HERE, THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE.
CBTA IS VERY SIMILAR GUIDELINES NOW WITH THE TPO WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE VDO PROCESS.
SO EVERYTHING'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE VDO COST ESTIMATING WORKBOOK PROCESS.
SO THEY DID ADOPT THE SAME THING AS THE TPO COR.
SO, SO WE, HOW IF, IF WE HAVE A PROJECT, WE THINK IT'S GONNA COST 5 MILLION MM-HMM
IF ANOTHER APPLICANT COMES ALONG FOR CBT MONEY AND THEY HAVE 5 MILLION PROJECT, BUT THEY HAVE DONE THE ENGINEERING WORK AND CAN SHOW CBT, WE'RE, WE'RE 10% IN ON, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT PLANNING, ISN'T THAT GOING TO BE EXPONENTIALLY BETTER APPLICATION THAN THE OTHER ONE? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE FIRST BLUSH OF CBT WHEN THEY RELEASED THE, UM, WHEN PLAN RBA AND CBTA STAFF RELEASED THE THE SCORES, IT'S, IT'S ALL EMPIRICAL MUCH LIKE SMART SCALE AND THEN IT GOES TO TACK FOR REVIEWING RECOMMENDATIONS AND I THINK THAT'S WHEN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WOULD LIKELY BE HAD.
BUT WHEN THE SCORES ARE RELEASED, IT'S THE BLACK BOX.
IT'S PROJECTS ARE SPIT IN COST ESTIMATES, BENEFITS AND SO ON ALL THE DATA AND IT SPITS OUT THE SCORE REGARDLESS OF STANDING AND, AND SO ON'S HOW MUCH YOU'RE ASKING FOR AND WHAT'S THE BENEFIT YOU, YOU WOULD THINK IT SHOULD, WELL YOU WE'RE WALKING RIGHT INTO THE DISASTER COST OF OPEN.
I THOUGHT YOU'RE GONNA FIX THAT
I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IS UM, OFTEN IS SAYING THOUGH AT THE T LEVEL, YOU KNOW, THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF FROM ALL OF THE MEMBER LOCALITIES WHERE THEN THEY, THEY DISCUSS AT A TECHNICAL PIECE OF, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A REALISTIC COST ESTIMATE? IS THIS A HIGHLY COMPLEX PROJECT? IS IT ACHIEVABLE WITHIN THE TIME WINDOW WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET PROJECTS DONE WITHIN A FOUR AND SIX YEAR TIME WINDOW? NOT THAT THEY'RE TAKING 10 YEARS.
THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WHERE THEN THAT MOVES IT AWAY FROM JUST THAT BLACK BOX OF, YOU KNOW, SOME BLANKET SCORING.
UM, AND THEN THEY DEVELOPED SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I DO THINK AT THAT POINT WHERE YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT VESTED IN YOUR PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING THAT COULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE, UM, INFLUENCE AT THAT POINT.
YEAH, I MEAN YOU SAID THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT I JUST, YOU SAID THAT'LL HAPPEN.
ATT BUTT HAS A PILE ATTACK IS THE SAME, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE ON THE TPO TAX.
VERY THE EXACT, YOU YOU GUYS, WE, WE CAN'T EXPECT ALL THE TECH PEOPLE TO DIG INTO THE LEVEL THAT I WOULD THINK NEEDS TO BE DUG INTO.
YOU HAVE A PILE OF PROJECTS IN YOU GOT, YOU GOT YOUR DAY JOBS AND, AND YOU'RE ONT MESSING WITH THIS.
UM, HOW ARE YOU? I JUST SEE PROBLEMS ON THE HORIZON.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE KING KING SAID, LEADERSHIP AT RT CBT NEEDS TO GET TOGETHER AND SAY, OKAY, WE NEED TO AGREE ON WHAT, WHAT LEVEL OF ESTIMATIONS ARE WE GONNA REQUIRE FOR YOU, US TO CONSIDER HOW WE DON'T GIVING YOU MONEY? BECAUSE, BECAUSE CAN AND THEN, THEN THIS IS A, THIS IS AN INCENTIVE.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE JOKINGLY SAYING ON TBO A YEAR AGO, OH WELL I'M JUST GONNA SLIDE THIS APPLICATION IN EXACTLY AND HERE IT IS, THIS IS A 5 MILLION DEAL BUT I KNOW THAT IT COMES IN 5 MILLION, I'LL FALL OVER.
WELL, SO IT'S COMING IN AT 10 TO, TO COMBAT THAT.
ONE THING WITH THE TBO TECH, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADOPTED THROUGH THE POLICY BOARD WAS UM, IF YOU, EVERYBODY HAS TO SUBMIT THE V COST THAT SUBMITTING WORKBOOK, WHICH IS A VALIDATED ESTIMATE THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING THROUGH APPLES TO APPLES.
IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DO THAT AND SUBMIT YOUR OWN ESTIMATE AND YOU NEED MORE MONEY CANNOT COME BACK TO THE TBO.
SO I THINK WHAT AUSTIN MAY BE SAYING IS THAT WHILE WE DON'T HAVE STUDIES THE WORKBOOK ACCESS, SO THIS WORKBOOK IS GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT DOES VARY AS DETAILED AN ESTIMATE AS YOU CAN DO AT A HIGH, ON A HIGH LEVEL CONCEPT.
IT GOES AS DETAILED AS YOU COULD POSSIBLY GET WITH CONTINGENCIES LEFT AND RIGHT.
VERY, VERY HIGH CONTINGENCY AT THIS LEVEL.
EVERY PROJECT WOULD LIKELY HAVE A 30% CONTINGENCY.
UM, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT WORKBOOK IS SET UP.
BUT IT'S THE TPO SPECIFICALLY.
IF SOMEBODY CHOOSES NOT TO USE THE VDOT WORKBOOK AND SUBMIT IT'S THEIR OWN 5 MILLION ESTIMATE ON A 20 MILLION
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PROJECT, WELL YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK TO THE TPO FOR THE REST OF MONEY.THAT'S HARD PROBLEMS. INTERESTING.
THE, THE, IS THERE A COST TO RUNNING THROUGH THE WORKBOOK? NO, IT'S A, IT'S FREE.
I MEAN, BUT WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IS THAT ALL IN THE WORKBOOK? JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS.
IT, IT HAS SPACES TO APPLY, UH, ACREAGE AND THEN ALSO FAIR MARKET VALUE TO THAT ACREAGE.
UH, BUT THAT'S DATA THAT HAS TO BE INPUT.
A LOT OF, OF TIMES THE SMALLER LOCALITIES WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE RELYING ON A LOT OF OUR CONSULTANTS TO BE DOING A LOT OF THIS WORK FOR US, UM, FOR THE CDT.
SO THERE IS SOME COSTS, WE'LL HAVE SOME COSTS TO PUTTING TOGETHER AN APPLICATION.
THERE WILL BE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FOUR CDT APPLICATIONS.
I'VE PRELIMINARY REACHED OUT TO ONE OF OUR ON CALLS JUST, HEY, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN DOING THIS? I MET WITH THEM, SENT 'EM ALL THE DATA.
I'M STILL WAITING ON A COST TO PULL TOGETHER.
FOUR COST, COST ESTIMATING WORKBOOKS OR CONCEPT SKETCHES, UPDATED CONCEPT SKETCHES AND ANY NARRATIVES WE MAY NEED AS PART OF THAT APPLICATION PROCESS.
IT'S MUCH LIKE ANY OF THE OTHER APPLICATION PROCESSES.
WE GET CONSULTS SMART SCALE, RIGHT? SURE.
ONE WE DON'T NEED ONE FOR IS REVENUE SHARE.
CAUSE THE APPLICATION IS SO COMPLETE, HAVING GONE THROUGH SO MANY ROUNDS OF FUNDING THAT VDOT SAID WE DON'T REALLY NEED ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, THAT ACTUALLY GOT AN EMAIL TODAY.
THE PRE-APPLICATION FOR REVENUE SHARE FOR THAT ROUNDABOUT IS SHE HAD VERY MINOR COMMENTS.
IT'S, UH, WE SHOULD GO RIGHT INTO THE FINAL APPLICATION STAGE AND WE SHOULDN'T NEED ANY OTHER EXPENDITURES ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
BUT THE 2 88 PROJECTS, HASN'T A LOT OF WORK BEEN DONE ON BOTH AS WELL? THEY HAVE, BUT WE'RE SEEING THAT AND DON'T LET MY HEAD OFF, BUT THE ESTIMATES FROM SMART SCALE ARE STILL GOING UP.
THE ESTIMATE FOR THE OIL GO ROUNDABOUT RECEIVING SMART SCALE AS PART OF REVENUE SHARE HAS GONE UP FROM SMART SCALE.
SO
AND UH, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU HOW RECENT TRENDS ARE IN TERMS OF COST ESTIMATES VERSUS INFLATION.
IS THAT STILL DRIVING MY, MY LAST FEW CONVERSATIONS ARE THE NEXT FIVE YEARS NUMBERS IN THERE? I MEAN, HOW REAL ARE THOSE NUMBERS? RIGHT.
I MEAN, BACK TO MY, MY LAST FEW CONVERSATIONS WOULD BE NOT THAT THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE STEADILY SEEING COST ESTIMATES BE, EXCUSE ME, THE BIDS BE CLOSER TO COST ESTIMATES, BUT THEY'RE STILL ABOVE COST ESTIMATES.
UM, BUT THEY'RE SLOWLY REACHING THAT, THAT SEGREGATION.
WHAT WE'VE GOT THERE NOW MAY COME DOWN, WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS ACTUALLY CLOSE TO WHERE IT ACTUALLY IS GONNA BE AS OPPOSED TO IN THE PAST SCHOOL, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL FOR IS, WHAT WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL FOR IS A PROJECT LIKE THE DDI THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY, THE 80% OF THAT PROJECT, LET'S SAY IS IN CONSTRUCTION.
THE COST, 80% OF THAT COST AT LEAST IS IN CONSTRUCTION IF NOT MORE, THAT BY THE TIME WE GET THERE, 20 27, 20 26 TIMEFRAME, WHEN WE START THAT PROCESS, THAT THINGS HAVE THEN COME DOWN AND RESETTLED.
SO THE, THE CONTINGENCIES THEY'VE PUT IN MORE THAN A COVER BY THAT POINT, WHAT THE COSTS MAY BE.
IS THAT A, AM I MAKING SENSE?
THE RUNAWAY IS MINIMIZING THEM RUNAWAY COSTS.
SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A NORMALIZATION OF COST FOR NOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S STILL HIGHER THAN WHAT IT WAS TWO, THREE YEARS AGO.
SO IT'S STARTING TO NORMALIZE AND BALANCE OUT AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME PROJECTS COME IN UNDER THEIR ESTIMATE, NOT SUBSTANTIALLY, BUT IN UNDER THE ESTIMATE.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THE WAY VDOT IS NOW DOING THEIR WORKBOOK, THEY'RE BUILDING CONTINGENCY INTO EACH PHASE.
SO IF YOU'RE ONLY SAVING 10%, THERE WAS A 30% CONTINGENCY, BUT THAT IS A BETTER INDICATOR THAN WHERE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, 12 MONTHS AGO.
WHERE EACH TIME YOU WENT BACK AND UPDATED YOUR WORKBOOK, ADD ANOTHER 10%.
WE STILL IN THAT MODE OR NO, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A LITTLE MORE OF A NORMALIZATION STILL HIGHER THAN IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO, BUT YES.
UH, THREE YEARS AGO THE 30% CONTINGENCY WAS PROVING THE ONLY INADEQUATE.
THE THIRD PERCENT CONTINGENCY MIGHT BE EATEN UP, BUT NOT MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
AND KNOW IN THE FUTURE MAYBE, UH, SO WE START TO GET BACK CONTINGENCIES ARE ACTUALLY ADEQUATE.
I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, IS YOU FUND IT AND THEN IT'S NOT BUILT FOR YEARS.
WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE, WHERE THE TROUBLE STARTS.
THEY'RE FUNDED BY, THEY'RE NOT BUILT AND 20, $22, NOT 20, $28.
THAT'S, WELL, AND THAT'S A LOT OF THE EXERCISES NOW
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THAT SMART SCALE'S GONE TO WITH THIS NEW WORKBOOKIT LOOKS AT IT AND, OKAY, YOU'RE OUT HERE FOR CONSTRUCTION IS 2029, WHAT IS THAT INFLATION FACTOR? THEY'RE STEADILY IMPLYING 8%, 11% IN SOME CASES INFLATION ACROSS THE PROJECT SLICE BAND TO, TO HOPEFULLY CAPTURE EVERYTHING.
NOW THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL EITHER, BUT IT'S, THEY HAVE BEEN VERY UNFORTUNATELY REACTIVE.
BUT TO THE DEGREE THAT THEY CAN BE PROACTIVE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO BE SO OVERLY CAUTIOUS ON THIS, ON THE WORKBOOK NOW, I'M HOPING THERE'S ACTUALLY A CORRECTION LATER THAT THE CONTINGENCIES START COMING BACK DOWN BECAUSE THE MARKET'S GONNA KIND OF STABLE BACK, STABILIZE BACK OUT WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
HEADLINE INFLATION HIT DOUBLE BRIEFLY, BUT THE FIFTH IS TOO, THEY'RE GONNA GET, THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE SOME INFLATION, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE 10%.
BUT THIS COMES BACK TO OUR CIP P, WHICH IS A 25 YEAR BOOK.
NUMBERS OF YEAR FIVE, YEAR 20, 23 NUMBERS.
SO, AND, AND ONE GOOD THING IS, AUSTIN NOTED THE WORKBOOK IS ACCESSIBLE TO, YOU KNOW, EACH LOCALITY'S TRANSPORTATION MANAGER.
SO WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND UPDATE, YOU KNOW, ANNUALLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, AS YOU KNOW, CLIMATE CHANGES.
UM, SO TO BE FINANCIALLY UPDATE SOME OF THOSE OUTLIER YEARS, UM, WITH PROJECT ESTIMATES AS WELL.
AND THE OTHER THING I WILL SAY IS VDOT HAS GOTTEN REACTIVE IN SOME GOOD WAYS AS WELL AS, UM, REALLY STARTING TO PUT THRESHOLDS AND REQUIREMENTS ON LOCALITIES TO EXECUTE PROJECTS TIMELY.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THAT YOU CAN GET THE FUNDING AND TAKE SEVEN, 10 YEARS TO REALLY START TO HAVE MOVEMENT.
THEY'RE PUTTING MUCH MORE STRINGENT TIME LIMITS ON UTILIZATION OF FUNDS AND COMPLETION CLOSE OUT OF PROJECTS, WHICH THEN ALSO HELPS REIGN IN SOME OF THE COSTS WHERE THEN THEY STILL HAVE MONEY TO FUND OTHER PROJECTS.
CAUSE THAT WAS THE OTHER CHALLENGE THEY WERE SEEING.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE MONEY UNTIL THE LATEST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE FUSION OF DOLLARS TO PROGRAM A LOT OF NEW PROJECTS.
GOING FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I THINK HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD TO KNOW ON A WHATEVER PERIODIC BASIS.
SO SAY THE TRENDS, THE ACTUALS ARE, ARE ACTUALLY HITTING AND OVER OR NOT.
CAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, BIG PICTURE.
IT TELLS US WHETHER WE'RE KID OURSELVES OR WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL OR REALISTIC OR STANDS A CHANCE TO BE, TO BE, IT WOULD HELP US KNOW BIG PICTURE BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENT.
ARE WE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT'S REASONABLY STABLE, WE CAN TRUST THESE NUMBERS OR ARE WE IN AN ENVIRONMENT? AND YOUR POINT ABOUT GOING FORWARD, THINGS YOU KNOW, MAY CHANGE OVER TIME IF YOU CAN JUST, JUST KEEP THE CODE UP TO, TO DATE ON THOSE CHANGES AS THEY OCCUR.
DEFINITELY JUST HELPFUL FOR THE BACKGROUND.
IS THIS A GUESS OR IS THIS A CALCULATED, UH, CALCULATED SMART SCALE? WHEN IS NEXT SMART SCALE? IT OPENS UP 2024.
SO FUNDING WOULD BE JUNE OF 2025.
I HEARD YOU EARLY ON TALK ABOUT THE SMART SCALE ITSELF AND YOU SAID YOU, YOU AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAD PUSHED BACK ON WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU TO SAY WAS SUCH A HIGH FOCUS.
THE WAITING ON, IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE FOCUS ON LIKE PET, IT WAS HOW IT SCORES THEM JUST BASED ON THE WES AND THE FACT THAT STICKING OUT HIGHWAY.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR HOWEVER MANY, SOME SCALE CYCLES HAVE BEEN, AND THAT'S BEEN A AMOUNT A PROBLEM.
AND I, WHEN I FIRST WAS STARTING TO GO ON BOARD, WE'RE STARTING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
LIKE WE HAVE TO PUT IN APPLICATION FOR ONE OF THOSE ALTERNATIVE MULTI MOBILE ONES BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, I THINK IT'S THE LAST TIME AROUND 33 OR 34 APPLICATIONS WERE FUNDED AND THE THE THIRD, FOURTH ONE DIDN'T GET IT BECAUSE IT JUST WAS SO UN UNDEVELOPED ALONG THE JAMES RIVER TRAIL OR SOMETHING.
IT JUST WASN'T EVEN MUCH OF A PLAN.
AND THEY, I THINK THEY WOULD'VE FUNDED IF THEY COULD'VE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO, TO DO IT.
BUT IT WAS SO, SO I'VE ALWAYS SAID LET ONE OF OUR APPLICATIONS BE FOR A, A MULTIMODAL OR A BIKE PET BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE FIGHTING THE TIDE TO GET THEM TO CHANGE THAT.
UM, I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S GOING.
THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S JUST, JUST THE WAY IT IS.
AND I, I WAS IN SAN DIEGO THE LAST FEW DAYS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY HOW YOU DO THIS STUFF IN YOUR ROUTE AND YOU START LOOKING AROUND AND SEEING THINGS THAT YOU WOULD'VE SEEN AND LIKE HOW, HOW DO WE SEPARATE THE BIKES? AND I'M LOOK AT ALL AND, AND LOOKING AT EVERYTHING I CAN ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ONE THING I'LL, IT'S THERE THEY'RE REALLY SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY AND CUTTING LANES VERSUS RURAL.
BUT BUT THEY'RE DOING THAT IN, IN RICHMOND.
THEY'RE, AND YOU GO DOWN TO NORFOLK, IT'S THE SAME THING.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, BUT THEY'RE FUNDING THESE THINGS.
SO WE'RE, I'M NOT SAYING BUILD THAT, WE BUILD
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TRAILS OF NOWHERE, BUT, BUT THEN IF WE HAVE A TRAIL, IF WE HAVE A VILLAGE, WE HAVE THE EAST END RIGHT ADDRESS, WE HAVE THE COURTHOUSE WHERE OUR DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS THAT WE OUGHT TO, LIKE YOU HAVE COURT COURTHOUSE SIDEWALKS IN THE STREET, SKI AS T COULD THAT NOT BE TAP SLASH CBTA SLASH SMARTCAP? WELL, I, WELL, SO THAT PROJECT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, AGAIN, PENDING THE FINAL IZATION OF THE COURTHOUSE PLAN BY THE BOARD ON THE 12TH.UM, THAT'S A PROJECT THAT WE'RE VERY PRELIMINARY TALKING.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY OPEN NOW OPEN ON THE FIRST, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT? HOW MANY PHASES DID WE BREAK THAT PROJECT INTO AND SO ON.
UM, ONE THING I'LL I'LL SAY ABOUT THE SMART SCALE IS REGARDS TO BIKE PET IS THERE'S THAT CRITERIA IN THERE AT THE VERY END OF THE SCORECARD CALLED LAND USE, WHICH DOESN'T ACTUALLY SAY WHAT IT DOES.
IT'S A FACTOR OF POPULATION DENSITY.
EVEN IN THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY, WE DON'T SCORE ON POPULATION DENSITY.
SO EVEN BI PET FACILITIES, THE BI PET FACILITIES THAT DO SCORE WELL ARE IN THE CITY RECREATIONAL, BUT ALSO COMMUT BIKE FACILIT, THE MATHEMATICS REGIONAL.
WE DON'T, THAT'S, I DO REMEMBER THAT.
THAT'S LIKE, CAN THEY HELP SOMEBODY GET TO WORK AND, AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.
SO THAT IS WHERE WE WILL, I GUESS INHERENTLY ALWAYS, UNLESS THE COUNTY MAKES A BIG SHIFT, BE AT A DISADVANTAGE AS THE POPULATION DENSITY.
THAT'S, THAT'S USE YOUR TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE.
THAT'S A PERFECT, UM, POINT THAT, THAT'S GOOD.
SO I GUESS I WOULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE RESULTS AND, AND MAYBE THE RURAL COUNTIES DIDN'T EVEN APPLY FOR ANY OF 'EM.
BUT, BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF, IF WE WERE MM-HMM.
BUT THE SMALL COUNTIES AND OR TOWNS THAT APPLY FOR THESE BIKE FACILITIES WERE ON EITHER THE FALL LINE TRAIL OR THE APPT TRAIL.
TWO REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT RECREATIONAL AND COMMUTER TRAIL FACILITIES.
SO THE END TRAILS ARE, I WOULD SAY REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT SO TO SPEAK.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT IDENTIFIED AS A MAJOR TRAIL SYSTEM THAT PLANT R'S GOTTEN BEHIND TODAY.
SOMETHING LIKE IN FRANKLIN COUNTY, I, NOT FRANKLIN TOWN DOWN IN, WERE THERE ANY, WELL, THINGS ARE WAITED IN DIFFERENT REGIONS IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.
THIS IS DISTRICT, THAT'S WHY THIS IS RICHMOND DISTRICT.
IT WAS TOWARDS EMP ANYWAY, WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT.
BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF, IF, IF, IF WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE WANT TO FUND, WE OUGHT NOT DISMISS SMART SCALE.
BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD, BECAUSE THERE'S CRITERIA THAT COMPONENT US COMING SOUTH, THE, THE LAST CATEGORY, UNLESS THEY ACCIDENT ALTOGETHER IS A FACTOR OF THAT DENSITY.
AND WE JUST DON'T, EVEN IN OUR MOST POPULOUS PART OF THE COUNTY, WE DON'T HAVE DENSITY RIGHT.
YOU WOULD HAVE MORE LIKELIHOOD WITH YOUR TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES OR DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION RECREATION TYPE FUNDS OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, UM, STATE FEDERAL ED FUNDS.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S DONE JACKSON RIVER TRAILS.
SO AS FAR AS OUR AGENDA FOR THIS, WHERE ARE WE WITH WHAT YOU NEED TO GET FROM US AND OR ARE WE, I'VE, I BELIEVE I'VE RECEIVED OCCURRENCE.
I'LL, I'LL CHECK ONE MORE TIME.
THIS YEAR'S THE ONE THAT I ASKED MR. CARPENT TALK ABOUT, BUT ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD, FROM TRANSPORTATION THAT JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RICHMOND REGION IS, UH, ALL ON BOARD THE TPO AND CBTA ON WORK WORKS.
IS THAT STATEWIDE HAPPENS STATEWIDE? I I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE OTHER NPOS THE OTHER LIKE GREATER NPO OR THE UH, YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM.
UM, I WOULD HEDGE MY BEDS AND SAY PROBABLY BECAUSE IT IS APPLES TO APPLES.
I MEAN, WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT THE ONLY DISTRICT OR OR REGION HAVING COST AS MANY ISSUES.
YOU CAN PROBABLY FIND OUT, WE'LL FIND OUT, COME BACK IF THEY'RE NOT MM-HMM.
IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT INFLUENCED BY HOW THE OTHER, AND IT IS ON MONEY.
IT'S MONEY THAT'S THAT'S COLLECTED IN THIS REGION.
BUT THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING WE'D BE WILLING TO FIND OUT.
CAUSE I THINK, I'M JUST CURIOUS, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT A STATEWIDE AND IF THEY'RE NOT, MAYBE THEY HAVE A PERFECT SYSTEM THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN CONSIDERED YET.
SO MR. CARPENTER GOT SOME GOOD NEWS.
WE TRANSPORTATION, I THOUGHT WE STARTED WITH GOOD NEWS AND, AND THIS LAST OF COURSE YOU TALK ABOUT IT'S OUR MONEY CBTA AND, UH, WE WERE AT THE, UH, REGIONAL, UM, OR JOINT MEETING AND, UH, REQUEST.
THEY'RE DISCUSSING REGIONALISM QUITE A BIT IN G RTC.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'VE APPROVED A, A PILOT TO, UM, LOOK AT RUNNING LINES THERE TO, UM, SHELTERING ARMS AND JUST KIND WHAT CAN YOU UPDATE US ABOUT? ANYTHING THAT, THAT YOU MAY KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE FOR THAT AS WELL.
UM, THE LAST UPDATE THATS RECEIVED ON GRTC LINES IN THE COUNTY WAS THAT IT WAS, UH, A FY 24
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PRIORITY FOR G RTC TO EXTEND THE LINE TO SHELTERING ARMS, BUT IT WAS YET UNFUNDED.UM, THAT BEING SAID, IT WAS A PRIORITY FOR FY 23.
UM, THEY'RE CARRYING IT OVER INTO FY 24.
SO THEY'RE, AND IT WAS LISTED AT THE TOP OF THEIR LIST.
SO IT'S, IT'S THEIR NUMBER ONE UNFUNDED PRIORITY MOVING INTO FY 24 TO EXTEND THAT LINE.
I BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT TOURNAMENT, THIS IS THE ALLEY AND HENRY, UM, AND THEN IT WAS, I BELIEVE AND AT THE SHELTER.
SO WHAT'S UNFUNDED ABOUT IT? JUST A BUS AND A DRIVER OPERATORS BECAUSE YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
BECAUSE SHELTERING ARMS BOTH EXISTS, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND WHEN I WENT TO SEE, WHEN I COME BOARD AND LIFTED THE SHELTERING ARMS, THEY WERE ALL ABOUT, I THINK THIS WAS AROUND WHEN I WAS CHAIR AND THE LEADERS THERE WERE ALL ABOUT WE, WE AND THE OTHERS AROUND HERE AGREEING TO BUILD A NICE BUS STOP.
SO I HOPE THE UNFUNDED, OH, WE'RE WAITING FOR A BUS STOP.
THEY'VE GOT THE BUS STOP, THEY, THE BUS STOP ALONG THE ROUTE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY GETTING THE DRIVER, HAVING THE ROUTE SCHEDULE AND ALL THAT.
NO, I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF PULL UP, WE JUST NEED TO HAVE AN INTENTIONAL CONVERSATION AT G AND SOMETHING WHICH, WHICH I'VE CONCLUDED I NEED TO DO IS I NEED TO START GOING TO THEIR MEETINGS.
SO I'M GONNA START ATTENDING THEIR MEETINGS AS IS A, UM, NOT AD HOC, BUT IS A, UM, EX EX, I WAS GONNA SAY THE FACTOR EX
TELL 'EM TO TAKE THAT PILE MONEY THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT YEAR TWO OR WHATEVER, BRING IT FORWARD.
I MEAN, THEY DO KNOW WE DON'T NEED A PLANE FOR OUR PILOT.
BUT I, I THINK IF WE, YOU KNOW, YES, I THINK THERE'S REASON THAT WE CAN, AND WE, I MEAN WE, 15% OF THE TAX WE DO COL COLLECT GOES THERE.
SO THERE IS, I THINK IT'S 90,000 A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S ALL I GOT.
YOU BROUGHT UP G RTC WHILE WE'RE DOING WITH THE, UM, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT, SMALL AREAS? YES.
THE MICRO WE GOT, WE GOT PUSHED BACK ON THAT SO WE'RE NOT EVEN IN THIS FIRST ROUND.
IF, UM, THERE'S ANY, UM, OUTCOMES WITH PHASE ONE THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, ADVANCE A PHASE TWO, BUT THE THING PHASE ONE WAS RIDICULOUS.
THE THING WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND, THE THING WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IS CBTA NEEDS TO APPROVE THESE THINGS.
I MEAN CERTAINLY I THOUGHT WE SHOULD SIT DOWN AND TALK TO G RTC AND I KNOW DAVID WILLIAMS WHO IN FIRST PHASE IS NOT HAPPY ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING DOWN THERE.
AND I KNOW HE'S BEEN WANTING TO GET THIS RURAL LOCALITIES TOGETHER AND TALK TO G RTC ABOUT GENERAL, BUT IT DAWNED ON ME AFTER TALKING AROUND THAT CBT IS, HAS TO APPROVE ALL OF THESE THINGS.
SO, SO THAT MIGHT BE, THAT'S WHERE WE HOUR AND HAVE A C WELL THEY HAVE TO APPROVE IT, BUT THE MONEY, SEE, GTC HAS ALLOCATED THE MONEY.
I DON'T, I HEARD FROM JUST AFIELD AND SOME OTHER SUPERVISORS TOLD ME THAT CBTA HAS TO, HAS TO APPROVE THE SPENDING THAT THEY'RE DOING ALRIGHT.
AND, AND THEN IT'S NOT AT ALL LIKE, HERE'S YOUR MONEY, GO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
THAT'S NOT AT ALL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S G RTC G RTC MONEY AND A G RTC BOARD SPENDING THEIR OWN MONEY, WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I IT'S THE, THE 15% WE CONTRIBUTE, WE HAVE GOTCHA.
GOTCHA, GOTCHA, GOTCHA, GOTCHA.
I THINK G RTCS DOING ALL THIS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE RURAL COMMUNITY BECAUSE, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROBABLY THINKING THE WORLD.
WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING FOR THE RURALS CUZ YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAID, THEY DON'T WANT.
BUT, BUT THAT 15% DOESN'T NEED TO GO THROUGH CBTA.
AND THAT'S OUR PLACE TO SAY HOW, HOW WOULD THEY, SO THEY COULD DO IT WITHOUT THE CP CBT MONEY FUNDS.
IF THEY DIDN'T NEED THEY, IF THEY DID IT ALL THEIR OWN MONEY.
BUT I GOT CHANCE THAT HAVE YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
WE'RE ADJOURNED TO OUR 2:00 PM BUSINESS MEETING.