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LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
CALL THE, UH, MEETING OF THE GOWIN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TOGETHER.
[1. Call to order]
YES, SIR.MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
[A. Determination of a Quorum]
UM, AND MR. MYERS DOES WISH TO ATTEND TONIGHT'S MEETING BY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION OR VIRTUALLY.UM, SECTION TWO 10 OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION BYLAWS ALLOWS PARTICIPATION BY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION.
UPON APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR, I WAS MADE AWARE OF MR. MYERS' INABILITY TO ATTEND THIS MEETING BECAUSE OF A PERSONAL MATTER.
MR. MYERS, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE FOR THE RECORD THE REASON YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THIS EVENING IN PERSON IN YOUR CURRENT LOCATION? IS HE THERE? OH, THERE YOU GO, SIR.
COULD YOU HEAR ME, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
UH, I NEED YOU TO TELL ME, UH, UH, WHY YOU ARE RIGHT NOW, YOUR LOCATION AND WHY YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING.
I AM ON A FAMILY VACATION IN THE OUTER BANKS OF NORTH CAROLINA THAT WAS SCHEDULED PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING DATE BEING SET.
WE CAN HEAR YOU IN THE MEETING ROOM.
AND ACCORDINGLY, HAVING A PHYSICAL QUORUM AND BEING THIS, THE FIRST REQUEST FOR VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE FOR MR. MYERS' CALENDAR YEAR, APPROVE HIS REQUEST TO ATTEND TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA OF PINETT FROM THE OTO BANKS OF NORTH CAROLINA BY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS.
WILL EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE INVOCATION,
[2. Pledge of Allegiance]
ALL OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION HONOR GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.[3. Invocation - Led by Mr. Pituck]
YOU FOR ENABLING US TO GATHER HERE TODAY.THANK YOU FOR THIS BODY OF PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE ORDAINED TO RULE THIS GREAT COUNTY.
NOW, AS WE GO ABOUT DOING THE BUSINESS SET FORTH TODAY, HELP US TO KEEP YOU FIRST IN EVERYTHING THAT WE SAY AND DO BLESS ALL WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY WITH THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM, AND UNDERSTANDING, SO THAT WE MAY PROSPER UNDER THEIR LEADERSHIP.
MOST OF ALL, BIND US TOGETHER IN THE SPIRIT OF LOVE, WHICH SURPASSES ALL THINGS.
I'LL NOW OPEN THE, UH, MEETING FOR THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
[4. Citizen Comment Period]
NOT ON OUR AGENDA, ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE, UH, SMALL AREA PLAN.HEARING NONE TO CLOSE THE COMMENT PERIOD.
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UH, ARE THERE ANY REQUESTS TO DEFER? NO, SIR.[5. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings]
ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES TO THE ORDER OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM TONIGHT IS RESOLUTION, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND CERTIFICATION OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN IS
[6. Public Hearing Item]
A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE GLAND COUNTY 2035[1. Resolution recommending approval and certification of Comprehensive Plan Amendment. The Centerville Small Area Plan is a proposed amendment to the Goochland County 2035 Comprehensive Plan. The Centerville Plan is intended to update, modify, and supplement all chapters in the 2035 Plan, as well as to modify the 2040 Major Thoroughfare Plan, and the Parks, Recreation and Facilities 2020-2023 Amended Master Plan.]
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.THE CENTERVILLE PLAN IS INTENDED TO UPDATE, MODIFY, AND SUPPLEMENT ALL CHAPTERS IN THE 2035 PLAN, AS WELL AS TO MODIFY THE 2040 MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE PARKS, RECREATION AND FACILITIES 2020 THROUGH 2023 AMENDED MASTER PLAN.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHARLEY AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS CRYSTAL NIDA, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR GLAND COUNTY.
BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT, YOU WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM TIMMONS GROUP, UM, SPECIFICALLY CHUCK RAP ON THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN AND THE PROPOSED COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS.
UM, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH QUITE A PROCESS WITH THIS.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAD A JUNE 15TH JOINT WORK SESSION WITH YOU ALL AS A BODY AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD THROUGH THE OPEN HOUSE THAT WAS HELD IN MAY, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY WITH YOU ALL AS A BODY, UM, AND ADDRESSING THOSE, UM, FROM THE DEFERRAL THAT WAS HAD.
WE'VE WORKED TO ADDRESS THOSE IN THIS PROPOSED DOCUMENT THAT YOU WILL HAVE BEFORE YOU ALL FOR TONIGHT.
UM, SO MR. RAP WILL PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE PLAN AS A WHOLE AND SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHTING THE ADJUSTMENTS AND CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, UM, AND DISCUSSED AS OF JUNE 15TH, 2023.
SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHUCK RAPP.
GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UH, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BACK HERE BEFORE YOU AGAIN THIS EVENING.
AND AS, AS SHE MENTIONED, MY NAME IS CHUCK RAP.
I'M A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER WITH TIMMONS GROUP, UH, AND IS, AS WE'VE MET SEVERAL TIMES TALKING ABOUT THIS PLAN, UH, AGAIN, WE'LL, WE WILL GO OVER SOME OF THE, UM, AN OVERVIEW OF THE PLAN AND, AND, AND SOME OF THESE CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE SINCE.
SO, UH, SOME OF THE ELEMENTS ARE, ARE SIMILAR, BUT AS THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WE, UH, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS.
ONCE AGAIN, I'M GONNA SAY AT A HIGH LEVEL, AND REALLY FOCUS ON THE CHANGES THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, JUST TO TO BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE TIMELINE, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE UPDATED THIS TIMELINE TO REFLECT, UH, THE ADDITIONAL MONTHS, PAST COUPLE MONTHS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS.
UH, IT DOES SHOW THAT WHEN WE HAD OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ALSO RECOGNIZES THAT WE HAD THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE PLAN, DID GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, DID GET, YOU KNOW, BEFORE Y'ALL, AS WELL AS THE, THE BOARD WAS ADOPTED.
UM, AND THEN WE HAD THE JOINT, UH, WORK SESSION WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND Y'ALL.
AND THEN HERE WE ARE AGAIN THIS EVENING AND ALSO SHOWS FUTURE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH THE BOARD SUPERVISORS ON THIS PLAN IN AUGUST.
SO, AGAIN, JUST A QUICK RECAP AS TO HOW WE USE SMALL AREA PLANS.
THIS IS REALLY THIS GUIDING DOCUMENT, THIS VISION, UH, THAT THEN SETS THE STAGE FOR, FOR MORE DETAILED WORK IN THE FUTURE.
THIS IS A 10 TO 20 YEAR TIMEFRAME.
IT GUIDES FUTURE REZONING APPLICATIONS.
UM, THAT'S A MUCH MORE DETAILED STEP THAT USUALLY COMES AFTER THAT, BUT THIS SETS THE STAGE FOR THAT AND, AND IDENTIFIES THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
SO THIS REALLY FOCUSES ON, UH, THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, DESIRED CHARACTER, DESIRED FORM, AND TRIES TO ALIGN, UH, DEVELOPMENT WITH CAPITAL INVESTMENTS WITH THE, WITH THE COUNTY, UM, JUST TO KEEP PACE WITH GROWTH, UH, AND TRIES TO CREATE EFFICIENT USE OF LAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO, UH, JUST KIND OF BREEZE THROUGH THIS INTRODUCTION CHAPTER.
THIS WAS ADOPTED WITH THE LAST PLANE AS WELL, AND, AND STATE, NOTHING HAS FULLY CHANGED HERE, UM, AT ALL, BUT JUST AGAIN, WE HAVE PAID JUST FOR REGIONAL CONTEXT, UH, FOR TRANSPORTATION PATTERNS FOR COMMUTING IN AND OUTTA THE COUNTY IN RELATION TO THESE TWO AREAS.
UH, WE HAVE THE, THE MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, PARTICULARLY AROUND CENTERVILLE IS CERTAINLY IMPORTANT, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE PLANNING THAT WE DID HERE.
AND THEN JUST THIS IDEA OF BRINGING FORTH THE COMMUNITY GOALS THAT WERE EXPRESSED FROM THE COMM, THE INPUT THAT THAT, UH, WAS GIVEN PRIOR TO US, UH, JOINING WITH THE COUNTY TO, TO BRING THESE PLANS FORWARD, TO FOCUS ON SMALL BUSINESS, ON BUILT FORM, ON WALKABLE PUBLIC SPACES AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
AND HOPEFULLY THE PLAN REFLECTS THAT AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS US.
SO, I'LL DIVE INTO THE CENTERVILLE PLAN, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS TONIGHT.
UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED, UH, AND AS A HIGH LEVEL HERE.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THEM IMPLEMENTED AS WE TALK THROUGH THE PAGES OF THE PLAN.
SO ON JUNE 15TH, WE HAD THE JOINT WORK SESSION WITH YOUR, YOURSELVES AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND DISCUSS, UH, A LOT OF THE INPUT THAT WAS HEARD AND WHAT WE PROPOSED TO DO TO TRY AND ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE REMOVED THE MIXED USE TRANSITION DESIGNATION, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF BROAD STREET, AND WE HAVE NOW EXPANDED THE MIXED USE CORE TO THAT SOUTH SIDE OF BROAD STREET.
WE'VE TRIED TO EXPAND SOME OF THE PLACEMAKING DETAILS OF THE MIXED USE CORE TO REALLY EMPHASIZE THE NEED FOR THOSE AS THAT WAS THE STRONGEST DESIRE OF THE, THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE'VE CREATED NEW TRANSITION ZONE PAGES THAT, THAT TRIED TO IDENTIFY, UH, WAYS TO MITIGATE THE, THE HIGHER INTENSITY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT UP AGAINST LOWER INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT,
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AND APPLIED SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT COULD BE USED TO, TO HOPEFULLY MITIGATE THAT.WE'VE ADJUSTED SOME OF THE TRANSPORTATION, A GREENWAY MAPPING, JUST SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE MAPS.
WE'VE ADDED LANGUAGE FOR APPROPRIATELY SCALED LODGING IN THE MIXED USE CORE TO, TO HOPEFULLY ADDRESS CONCERNS OVER THE SIZE AND CHARACTER OF WHAT LODGING MIGHT BE IF IT WERE TO BE IN THAT MIXED USE AREA, AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE FOR PARKING IN THAT MIXED USE CORE.
UH, WE'VE ADDED LANGUAGE FOR THE, TO THE FUTURE STUDY AREA TO THE SOUTH, UH, EAST OF THE, OF THE, UH, SMALL AREA PLAN BOUNDARY TO, TO HOPEFULLY EXPAND ON THAT.
AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED A PAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS HERE IN GLAND COUNTY TO PROVIDE SOME CLARITY AS TO THIS IS REALLY JUST A VISION DOCUMENT AND ALL THE STEPS THAT WOULD HAVE TO TAKE PLACE IF A, IF A PROPOSAL WERE TO COME BEFORE THE, THE COUNTY AFTER TO GO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD AS WELL.
THERE'S ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL CONCERNS, WHICH WE'VE HEARD, UH, OVER THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS, AS WELL AS IN PUBLIC HEARINGS AND, AND FROM, FROM FEEDBACK FROM STAFF.
UH, AND, AND A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, WAYS THAT WE'RE GONNA, THAT, THAT WE RECOMMEND THIS BEING ADDRESSED IN A MORE DETAILED MANNER AND FUTURE WORK.
UM, WE PROVIDE SOME GENERAL, UH, PARAMETERS FOR DENSITY IN THIS PLAN, BUT REALLY THE SPECIFICS ON DENSITY ARE MORE OF A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT UPDATE THAT WE RECOMMEND, UH, AS A FUTURE NEXT STEP, SIMILAR TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
WE PROVIDE SOME HIGH LEVEL THINGS ABOUT BUILDING FORM AND SOME STREET, UH, TYPICAL SECTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE CODIFIED INTO ZONING, TEXT AMENDMENTS, AND ALSO WE RECOMMEND AS A PATTERN BOOK OR DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WOULD COME AS A NEXT STEP TO FURTHER SOME OF THAT.
SIMILARLY, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.
YOU'LL SEE SOME THINGS IN HERE ABOUT BUILDING MASSING.
UH, WE'RE REALLY LOOK TALKING ABOUT BUILDING RELATIONSHIP TO STREETS AND HEIGHTS AND GENERAL, GENERAL SIZES OF BUILDINGS VERSUS SOME OF THE DETAIL ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT WOULD COME THROUGH A PATTERN IN BOOK, UH, AS WELL, OR, UH, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS COMING FORWARD.
IF YOU HAVE A P U D COME FORWARD, YOU'RE OFTEN GONNA HAVE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT REALLY SPELL SOME OF THAT OUT.
UH, THERE'S TRANSPORTATION CONCERNS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS AND ALIGNMENTS THAT ARE IN THIS PLAN, UM, AND THE END THAT THAT OFTEN FOLLOWS THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO IF A DEVELOPMENT COMES FORWARD, THERE'S TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, THOSE WILL BE VETTED THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS.
UH, AS WELL AS IF YOU HAVE A FUNDED PROJECT, YOU'RE GONNA GET INTO SPECIFIC ENGINEERING DESIGN OF EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT RIGHT HERE.
WE TRY TO KEEP THINGS AT A HIGH LEVEL IN THIS PLAN AND RECOMMEND SOME, SOME GENERAL GUIDELINES THAT THEN COULD HOPEFULLY FEED INTO THE MORE SPECIFIC DESIGN OF THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY, THOSE PROJECTS HAD TO BE FUNDED THROUGH THE M T P OR THE C I P WITH THE COUNTY IN A SIMILAR WAY.
UH, PARKS AND RECREATION, PUBLIC SPACES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, AGAIN, WE PROVIDE A HIGH LEVEL SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT.
THE COUNTY SHOULD PURSUE SOME OF THOSE IDEAS, BUT THOSE WOULD THEN NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH THE PARKS MASTER PLAN OR SPECIFIC STUDIES FOR MAYBE A PLAZA OR A PARK AND, AND THEN FUND IT THROUGH THE C I P AS WELL.
SO A LOT OF THIS STUFF YOU'LL SEE IN HERE TRIES TO MAINTAIN THIS IDEA OF HIGH LEVEL OF GUIDANCE, OF SUGGESTING.
SO SOME ELEMENTS THAT WOULD THEN NEED TO BE VETTED MUCH FURTHER, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY'RE IN THIS DOCUMENT TO PROVIDE THAT GUIDANCE AS, AS THE COUNTY WORKS THROUGH SOME OF THOSE MORE SPECIFIC IMPLEMENTATION METHODS.
SO, BACK TO OUR VISION, UH, VISION STATEMENTS AND ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE HERE, SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE, WE FOCUS ON PLACEMAKING ON PROMOTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE ACCESS TO OUTDOOR RECREATION, AND PROTECT SOME NATURAL RESOURCES AS WELL AS RECOGNIZING THIS IS A GROWTH AREA WITHIN THE COUNTY.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO ABSORB SOME OF THE GROWTH AND PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER O O OF THE REMAINDER OF THE COUNTY.
THIS IS JUST A MAP THAT WE'VE HAD IN HERE.
NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED ON HERE OTHER THAN EMPHASIZING THAT FUTURE STUDY HERE THAT YOU DO SEE TO THE, TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THIS.
UH, AND AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE THAT CALLS THAT OUT IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SECTION WITH A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICS.
WE HAVE, AGAIN, OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS MAP, UH, THAT JUST SHOWS THE EXISTING LAYOUT OF, OF THE, OF THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK WITHIN THE SMALL AREA.
BOUNDARY SHOWS, ART, TEAL STREETS, LOCAL STREETS, COLLECTOR STREETS, SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN WE GET INTO THE DIFFERENT, UH, TYPICAL SECTIONS FOR HOW THOSE STREETS MAY BE IMPLEMENTED OVER TIME.
RECOMMENDING THINGS LIKE SIDEWALKS, TREELINE STREETS, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THEM.
AND THERE'S DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT CAPACITIES FOR EACH OF THESE STREETS.
SO YOU HAVE LOCAL STREETS, COLLECTOR STREETS, WHICH ARE MORE OF THE, PROVIDE THAT SECONDARY NETWORK, UH, THAT CAN REALLY PROVIDE THE INTERCONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE SMALL AREA PLAN BOUNDARY TO HELP ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND PROVIDE SOME OTHER MEANS TO GETTING AROUND.
THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY PROMOTE THAT MULTIMODAL COMPONENT OF BIKE LANES AND SIDEWALKS.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, A GUIDANCE ELEMENT HERE WHERE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IMPLEMENTED MUCH MORE DETAILED STANDARDS IN A ZONING ORDINANCE BY PUTTING IT IN HERE.
IT, IT PROVIDES THAT GUIDANCE FOR WHEN THOSE COME FORWARD.
SIMILAR TO ARTERIAL STREETS, UM, YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR HIGH CAPACITY ROADS.
THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE EXISTING, NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING NEW THERE AS WELL.
THEN ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE HAD ALWAYS HEARD THAT WE CERTAINLY, UH, FELT A NEED TO ADDRESS WAS THE IDEA OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ACROSS BROAD STREET.
YOU'VE GOT FOUR LANES, YOU'VE GOT THE TURN LANE, UM, AND AS THIS AREA DENSIFIES, THERE'S, THERE'S CERTAINLY, THERE'S GONNA BE A NEED TO, TO ENSURE SAFE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ACROSS THAT ROAD.
SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A MID-BLOCK CROSSING.
IT'S A COMMON IMPLEMENTATION METHOD THAT VDOT CERTAINLY SUPPORTS, AND IT PROVIDES A, A REFUGE ISLAND IN THE CENTER THERE.
SO YOU'RE ONLY CROSSING TWO LANES AT A TIME.
YOU MAY HAVE SIGNAGE FOR THAT CROSSWALK, YOU MAY HAVE FLASHING BEACONS.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS TO MAKE THAT SAFE, BUT I JUST WANNA AT LEAST GET IT IN HERE SO THAT AS THE NEED ARISES
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AND OPPORTUNITIES COME, THE COUNTY CAN PURSUE THAT AT THE RIGHT TIME.THE OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WAS WAYS TO, TO TRY AND, UH, CREATE SOME, SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO, TO THE, TO THE APPEARANCE AND THE CHARACTER OF BROAD STREET.
SO WHAT WE SEE HERE IN THIS IMAGE IS THE SIDEWALK PULLED BACK OFF OF THE CURB.
SO YOU HAVE THE SIX FOOT, UH, BUFFER STRIP THAT VDOT RECOMMENDS FOR STREET TREES TO PROVIDE A LITTLE SEPARATION FOR THE PEDESTRIAN THAT MIGHT BE ON BROAD STREET.
AND YOU SEE SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ALSO ON THE SIDE.
WE'VE GOT, UH, A HORSE FENCE PROPOSED HERE TO KIND OF BRING SOME OF THE RURAL EQUESTRIAN NATURE OF GLAND COUNTY, UH, AND TRY AND KIND OF EMPHASIZE THAT, THAT SENSE OF PLACE HERE AND TIE IT BACK TO, TO THE REMAINDER OF THE COUNTY.
SIMILAR AS BEFORE, WE HAVE GREENWAYS, WE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES.
WE HAVE PAVE PATHS, TRAILS, AND BOARDWALKS, AND WE GET INTO SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE AS TO WHERE YOU SHOULD IMPLEMENT EACH ONE.
SO WE PROVIDE THIS MENU OF OPTIONS TO, TO FIT THE RIGHT, UH, SCENARIO TO BASED ON THE, THE, THE, THE CONDITIONS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT PRESENTS ITSELF.
AND THEN HERE IS, UH, AN UPDATED TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, UH, INCORPORATES ALL OF THE PROPOSED STREETS, UH, GREENWAYS, MULTI-USE PASS SIDEWALKS THAT ARE PART OF EITHER THE COUNTY'S APPROVED PLANS OR, UH, OR APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY ON IN THE PIPELINE HERE AS WELL.
WE DID DO A COUPLE OF MODIFICATIONS HERE.
MAINLY, WE JUST CLIPPED EVERYTHING SO THAT IT JUST AS RESTRICTED TO THE BOUNDARY OF THE SMALL AREA PLAN ON THIS MAP.
UH, PREVIOUSLY WE'RE SHOWING SOME THINGS EXPANDING BEYOND IT THAT DID STILL ALIGN WITH THE COUNTY'S PLANS, BUT WE WANNA REALLY FOCUS IT JUST ON THIS PLAN AREA BOUNDARY.
THERE'S SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE GREENWAY AS WELL THAT'S, UH, ALIGNED EXACTLY WHAT THE COUNTY HAS ADOPTED SO FAR.
AGAIN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A HEAVY NEED FOR, UH, PARKS IN THIS AREA, OR PUBLIC SPACES AS WELL.
SO WE'VE DONE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO MAYBE A PUBLIC PLAZA IN THE, IN THE MIXED USE CORE, AS WELL AS SOME POTENTIAL PARK LOCATIONS ALONG, UH, GREENWAY CORRIDORS THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED OVER TIME WHEN THOSE OPPORTUNITIES PRESENT THEMSELVES.
I ALSO WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNTY TO, AGAIN, TO PURSUE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
THINGS LIKE THE MANNEQUIN MARKET FOR A FARMER'S MARKET, MORE OF A, MAKE SURE THAT'S A PERMANENT, UH, LOCATION WITHIN THE, THE, THE SMALL AREA PLAN BOUNDARY, UH, AS WELL AS PURSUING THINGS LIKE ACTIVE RECREATION, PASSIVE RECREATION, UH, WITH MAYBE LOCAL SPORTS PROVIDERS OR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, NON-PROFITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHEN, WHEN OPPORTUNITIES, UH, PRESENT THEMSELVES AS WELL TO, TO REALLY MAYBE FIND OTHER WAYS IN CREATIVE, UH, METHODS FOR IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THAT OUTDOOR RECREATION AND PARK SPACE THAT THAT WAS CERTAINLY, UH, REQUESTED.
SO LAND USE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY ALL HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
IT'S WHAT, WHAT EVERYBODY'S INTERESTED IN.
SO THIS IS THE UPDATED LAND USE MAP BASED ON, UH, THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD WITH, WITH YOURSELVES AND THE, AND THE BOARD, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
UM, AND SO YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT WE DO HAVE THAT MIXED USE CORE EXTENDING TO THE SOUTH, UH, OF BROAD STREET AS WELL, REPLACING WHAT WAS THE MIXED USE TRANSITION ZONE.
AND WHAT WE REALLY TRY TO DO HERE IS FOCUS THE IDEA OF HIGHER INTENSITIES AT THE CORE AND ALONG THE PRIMARY ROADWAYS THROUGHOUT, UH, THE SMALL AREA PLAN BOUNDARIES.
SO ON ASHLAND ROAD, ON ON BROAD STREET, ON MANNEQUIN ROAD, WHAT WHAT WE REALLY TRY TO DO IS, IS CAPITALIZE ON THAT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND YOU WANT, I, I WOULD CERTAINLY RECOMMEND, UH, ENSURING THAT WE HAVE SIMILAR LAND USES ON EITHER SIDE OF A MAJOR ROADWAY LIKE THAT.
SO YOU HAVE A COMPLETE CORRIDOR, RATHER THAN USING A ROAD AS A, AS A TRANSITION ZONE, IT, IT THAT CAN, UM, THAT WAY YOU REALLY TRANSITION OUT FROM THOSE CORRIDORS.
AND SO YOU'LL HEAR WITH LOWER INTENSITIES AS YOU TRANSITION TO THE RURAL AREA.
SO WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE 64 WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY TRANSITIONING TO, TO MORE OF A, OF A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY TOWARDS THE EDGE, YOU'LL SEE THAT REFLECTED AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
SO WITH THE MIXED USE CORE, AGAIN, HERE'S THE UPDATED MAP THAT SHOWS THAT, AGAIN, TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF BROAD STREET AS WELL.
UM, AND WE'RE SHOWING TWO DIFFERENT SIZES OF BUILDINGS HERE, THE THREE STORY BUILDING OR A TWO STORY BUILDING, BOTH WITHIN THE RECOMMENDED RANGES THAT, THAT WE WERE, UH, RECOMMENDING.
WE HAVE PRIMARY USES THAT ARE SUGGESTED HERE.
AND ONE THING I'LL SAY ABOUT THESE PRIMARY USES, UH, THIS IS AGAIN, A VERY HIGH LEVEL DOCUMENT.
SO THESE USES HERE ARE RETAIL SERVICE OFFICE AT A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL THAN YOU'RE TYPICALLY GONNA SEE IN A ZONING ORDINANCE.
A ZONING ORDINANCE IS GONNA DIVE TO MUCH MORE SPECIFICS WITH WHAT TYPE OF RETAIL, WHAT TYPE OF SERVICE.
WHEREAS IN A, IN A LAND USE DOCUMENT, WE WANT TO KEEP IT AT A HIGH LEVEL.
AND THEN THAT PROVIDES SOME GUIDANCE AS YOU WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE DETAILS IN FUTURE ZONING, TEXT AMENDMENTS.
UH, SO THE IMAGE THAT YOU HAVE HERE SHOWS THAT RELATIONSHIP OF A LARGER SETBACK ON BROAD STREET ON THE LEFT AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, UH, CLOSER TO THE MAP THERE, YOU HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP OF THE INTERNAL ROAD NETWORK TRYING TO ACTIVATE THAT PEDESTRIAN SCALE ON THAT AND CREATE THAT.
SO SOME ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY THERE, UM, RATHER THAN SEEING MAYBE THE BACK OF BUILDINGS OR DUMPSTERS TRYING TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME, UH, SOME ENGAGEMENT ON THAT SIDE AS WELL.
UH, WE ALSO ADDED SOME STUFF HERE IN THE MIXED USE CORE JUST TO TRY AND EMPHASIZE SOME OF THAT PLACE MAKING SOME OF THAT ACTIVE SPACES ON, ON THE INTERNAL ROADWAY NETWORKS AS I MENTIONED THERE.
SO HERE'S A CONCEPT AGAIN, JUST FOR A SMALL LITTLE SEATING AREA, A PLAZA, MAYBE A FOUNTAIN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO CREATE, CREATE SOME ELEMENTS, UH, TO GATHER AROUND AND, AND CREATE SOME, SOME ACTIVITY.
AND WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLE IMAGES HERE OF HOW YOU CAN HAVE THOSE HIGHER STANDARDS IN YOUR
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DESIGN, UH, GUIDELINES OR YOUR PATTERN BOOK OR ZONING ORDINANCE AS THINGS MOVE FORWARD TO CREATE SOME OF THOSE MAYBE BRICK LINE STREETS, SMALL SEATING AREAS, SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT'S OFTEN ABOVE AND BEYOND THE, THE BARE MINIMUM THAT YOU SEE THROUGH A, A TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT.UH, THE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL, NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED HERE.
THIS IS THOSE AREAS CLOSE TO THE INTERCHANGES WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING BUSINESSES ALREADY.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE WHERE THINGS ARE MORE ORIENTED TOWARDS GOODS AND SERVICES.
YOU'RE DRIVING TO THOSE OFTEN, SO YOU CAN HAVE LARGER SETBACKS, MAYBE SOME LARGER BUILDINGS WHERE YOU DO ALREADY HAVE SOME LARGER BUILDINGS AS WELL OUT THERE.
SO AGAIN, NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED ON THOSE.
UH, YOU JUST KEPT THOSE AS THEY WERE.
UH, WE DID ADD SOME INFORMATION HERE TO THAT FUTURE STUDY AREA TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THIS, UH, BOUNDARY AS WELL.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON CREATING THAT BUSINESS PLAN, MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN, THAT THE COUNTY CAN ATTRACT, UH, THE RIGHT SECTORS THERE AND THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN KEEP UP WITH, WITH WHAT THAT DEMAND IS AND HAVE MORE OF A TARGETED FOCUS, UH, THE IDEA OF, OF JOB CREATION AND EVERYTHING IN THAT AREA.
SO THEN WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, AND THIS IS THAT IDEA OF TRANSITIONING.
SO PARTICULARLY, UH, UP TO THE NORTH OF NEAR 64 THERE, WE WANT THAT TRANSITION OF, OF INTENSITIES, AS I MENTIONED, WHERE YOU HAVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY, THE INTERSTATE, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA TRANSITION TO MORE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS THE TWO TO FOUR UNITS AN ACRE.
AND THAT JUST ALIGNS WITH WHAT IT, WHAT IT PREVIOUSLY WAS AS WELL, TRYING TO CREATE THAT WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING TOWARDS THE STREET, UM, SIDEWALKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN THAT'S A GOOD TRANSITION TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT IS ON YOUR WAY OUT TO THE, TO THE EDGE OF THE BOUNDARY WHERE YOU CAN HAVE YOUR LARGER HOME SITES, NOTHING LESS THAN TWO UNITS AN ACRE, AND THEN IT'S A GOOD TRANSITION FROM THAT MORE INTENSE, UH, CORE ON OUT TO THE BOUNDARY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING TYPES.
UH, WE WENT IN AND JUST EDITED THOSE TO REMOVE THE REFERENCE TO THE MIXED USE TRANSITION.
AND NOW WE HAVE THE MIXED USE CORE, UH, IN PLACE OF THAT.
NOTHING REALLY HAS CHANGED OTHER THAN THAT.
ON THOSE, UM, ONE OF THE, THE MAIN THING THAT WE DID ADD, TRYING TO RESPOND TO MANY OF THE COMMENTS, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ADJACENCY OF, OF THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TO SOME OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, PARTICULARLY SOME OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO WE'VE ADDED A COUPLE PAGES INTO THIS ABOUT TRANSITION ZONES.
AND SO HERE WE HAVE A MAP THAT HIGHLIGHTS WHERE THOSE TRANSITION ZONES COULD BE.
THERE CERTAINLY COULD BE MORE OF THEM.
UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS CERTAINLY SOME OF THE OBVIOUS ONES WHERE YOU HAVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY, YOU HAVE MIXED USE PROPERTY, AND YOU HAVE WHAT WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL EXISTING OR PROPOSED ADJACENT TO IT.
AND SO THE IDEA THERE IS TO THEN MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF WHAT THAT MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT MIGHT BE AND ENSURE SOME COMPATIBILITY OVER TIME.
SO WE'VE ADDED SOME, SOME ILLUSTRATIONS IN THERE AS WE FOR TRANSITION EXAMPLES.
UH, THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST, BUT IT IS SOME OF THE MORE COMMON ELEMENTS THAT YOU SEE.
AND, AND SO WE HAVE HERE AT THE TOP YOU HAVE AN ENHANCED LANDSCAPE BUFFER, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE IN A ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD TAKE THIS AND, AND IMPLEMENT IT INTO A ZONING ORDINANCE AS A SPECIFICALLY WHAT THAT IS.
BUT THE IDEA OF ADDITIONAL VEGETATION TO PROVIDE THAT SCREEN, THAT HEAVIER SCREEN SO THAT, SO THAT, THAT, THAT MORE INTENSE USE IS, IS MITIGATED.
YOU'LL ALSO HAVE THINGS LIKE A BUILDING HEIGHT STEP BACK WHERE YOU CAN CREATE, UH, A LOWER BUILDING HEIGHT WHEN IT'S ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO MITIGATE THAT VISUAL IMPACT AS WELL, UH, AS WELL.
AND THEN ALSO A THIRD ONE IS AN INCREASED BUILDING, STEPBACK OR STEPBACK, SO PUSHING THAT BUILDING FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
SO THOSE ARE THREE OPTIONS THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED.
THEY COULD BE, YOU COULD BE A COMBINATION OF ANY OF THOSE.
THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS BASED ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF A SITE.
MAYBE THERE'S, THERE'S A PARTICULAR STREAM OR SOME TOPOGRAPHY CHALLENGES.
SO THIS ISN'T MEANT TO BE EXHAUSTED, BUT THESE ARE THREE VERY COMMON ONES THAT ARE IMPLEMENTED REGULARLY, UH, THAT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNTY TO CONSIDER WHEN A DEVELOPMENT COMES FORWARD IN ONE OF THESE MIXED USE OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ZONES WHERE IT'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WAS TRY TO OUTLINE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY STAFF HERE TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT DOES THIS DO IF WE ADOPT THIS LAND USE MAP? DOES, THIS IS JUST AS OPEN THE FLOOD GATES FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT HERE WAS THAT, THAT, THAT YOU STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW A PROCESS.
AND SO IF A REZONING IS PROPOSED, STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THROUGH MEETINGS WITH STAFF, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A PRE-APPLICATION PROCESS.
THERE'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING WITH Y'ALL AS A COMMISSION, A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE BOARD.
THERE'S A LONG PROCESS BEFORE, UH, WHERE THERE WOULD BE PUBLIC INPUT AND THERE'D BE OPPORTUNITIES TO REFINE SOME OF THOSE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS, UH, BASED ON THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF EACH SITE AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES IN THE LAND.
USE REGULATORY CONTROLS, AGAIN, SO THIS, THIS IS A GUIDE IN HERE, AND SO I WANNA REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT THIS CHART IS IN HERE AT A HIGH LEVEL TO PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE FOR STAFF, UH, HERE AT THE COUNTY TO TAKE THE NEXT STEPS TOWARDS IMPLEMENTING THE ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES OR THINGS LIKE OVERLAYS OR THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THESE ELEMENTS IN THIS PLAN, UM, SO THAT IT PROVIDES THAT FOUNDATION, THAT FRAMEWORK SO THAT THERE IS A STARTING PLACE.
AND SO WHERE WE'RE SAYING HERE MAYBE A TWO, THREE STORY BUILDING IN THE MIXED USE CORE, THAT DOESN'T SPELL OUT EXACTLY HOW HIGH THAT BUILDING SHOULD BE.
SO AS YOU WORK THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT'S GONNA GET INTO THE EXACT FEET.
UM, OR THINGS LIKE SETBACKS OR AS I MENTIONED, THE USES
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WHERE WHEN WE JUST SAY RETAIL HERE OR SERVICE, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF THAT CAN GO UNDERNEATH THAT.AND THAT'S WHERE THE ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATES, WE'LL DIVE INTO THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT THOSE ARE.
AND WE TALK ABOUT THINGS ABOUT WHERE SHOULD PARKING BE RELEGATED.
UM, HOWEVER THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS GONNA TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC SETBACKS AND WITS AND ALL THE DETAILS AS TO HOW TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
WE, AGAIN, WE TRY TO STAY AT A HIGH LEVEL WITH THIS AND JUST TALK ABOUT GENERAL BUILDING FORM AND GENERAL LOCATIONS OF THINGS SO THAT THERE IS AT LEAST THAT FOUNDATION THAT'S BEEN ENDORSED BY Y'ALL AS THE COMMISSION, AS THE BOARD, AND HOPEFULLY THE, THE COMMUNITY TO MOVE THOSE THINGS FORWARD IN A WAY THAT EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT ON.
UH, AS WAS BEFORE, WE HAVE, UH, PRIORITY PROJECTS, AND I'LL JUST EMPHASIZE HERE, WHEN YOU SEE PRIORITY ONE, TWO, AND THREE, IT'S NOT THAT ONE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN NUMBER THREE.
THESE ARE JUST THREE PRIORITIES IN EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE PRIOR SECTIONS OF THIS PLAN.
AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BRING THEM ALL TOGETHER SO THAT STAFF AND THE, AND THE BOARD HERE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO IDENTIFY THEM.
AND WHEN OPPORTUNITIES COME FOR FUNDING OR MAYBE DEVELOPMENT COMES FORWARD OR THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE OF THESE, YOU HAVE A A QUICK REFERENCE.
THIS IS AN ADOPTED PLAN, MAYBE IT GETS YOU SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING THROUGH A GRANT APPLICATION.
UH, BUT BY HAVING IT IN HERE, IT, IT IDENTIFIES IT AS A POTENTIAL PROJECT THAT IT HELPS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IN A WAY THAT YOU CAN HOPEFULLY CHECK SOME OF THESE OFF OVER TIME.
AND THE LAST JUST, UH, UH, MENTION AGAIN, WE HAVE A, A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED WITH THE BOARD ON AUGUST 7TH IN A COUPLE WEEKS, UH, GO OVER THIS PLAN ELEMENTS AS WELL, SO THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON THAT.
UH, AND HOPEFULLY CARRY FORWARD WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION, UH, MAY OR MAY NOT COME OUTTA PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
WITH THAT, I WILL PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS.
BOARD, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN BRIEFLY HOW THIS PLAN DIFFERS FROM THE PREVIOUS PLANS FROM THE ONE, UH, PAST PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE HAD? OUR CURRENT PLAN? UH, I WOULD DEFER TO STAFF ON THAT ONE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE OWNERS OF THOSE.
SO, MR. ROCK AND CHARLIE, TO BE CLEAR, ARE YOU, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE PRIOR CONSULTANT WORK AND PLANS OR THE PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY, UM, FROM TIMMONS BEFORE YOU ALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING, EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE A SLIDE, UM, FOR THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN THAT WE CAN TALK THROUGH.
UM, MS. SHERRY, IF YOU CAN, ASHLEY CAN DO IT TOO.
WE DO HAVE A SLIDE, SO WE CAN TALK THROUGH THAT MAP.
AND I WILL LET, UM, MR. COLEMAN TALK THROUGH THIS.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN, UM, SOME CITIZEN QUESTIONS AND WE'VE WORKED TO HAVE SOME CITIZEN MEETINGS ON THIS AS WELL.
MAYORS COMMISSION, TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER.
UM, YEAH, IN LOOKING AT THE, THE, WHAT THIS COMP PLAN ALLOWS, IT DOES YOU SEE A LOT OF RED FOR COMMERCIAL AND SORT OF THE, THE YELLOW AND THE, THE, THE ORANGES COLORS ARE FOR RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT YOU SEE DIFFERENT WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REALLY MORE OF DISCUSSING MIXED USE AND MIXED USE, UH, THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN SORT OF WHEN, IN LISTENING TO THE, TO THE CITIZENS AND, AND LOOKING AT OUR, THE, THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD PROJECTS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE, UH, THE CAR DEALERSHIPS AND THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND THINGS, WHICH MIGHT BE GOOD PROJECTS FOR THE COUNTY'S ECONOMIC BASE, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY REFLECT THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S REALLY CONTINUATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, WEST FROM HENRICO COUNTY.
AND THE IDEA WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TO PROVIDE SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND CERTAINLY MIXED USE.
YOU COULD, YOU WERE, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM, UM, FROM THE CONSULTANT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH MIXED USE AND THAT IS SEEN AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIFFERENTIATE FROM THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ACTUALLY TO OFFER A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT REALLY IS A REAL BIG CHANGE FROM WHAT THE PREVIOUS, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DID.
AND IT ALSO, IN DOING THAT, IT TALKS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU'RE SEEING THINGS LIKE, UH, BUILDING HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS, AND SORT OF, UM, UM, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE LANDSCAPING AND, AND SORT OF THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS.
A LOT OF THAT'S NOT REALLY INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT CONCERT PLAN.
SO IT IS, UM, TAKING THE, THE, THE CONFERENCE PLAN ALL, UH, INTRODUCING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO OFFERING SOME MORE SPECIFICITY ON THE, THE TYPE AND STYLE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE DEVELOPMENT WE WANT TO SEE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS.
ALRIGHT, MR. MYERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS? SORRY, MR. ROCK.
HARLEY, JUST TO ECHO THAT, ONE OF THE POSITIVES THAT WE'VE SEEN WITH MIXED USE, UM, DESIGNATIONS AND HAVING A MIXED USE CORE, UM, ONE, WE HAVE LESS DESIGNATIONS THAN THIS PREVIOUS COMP PLAN, UM, OR THE CURRENT COMP PLAN HAS, BUT MIXED USE ALSO OFFERS MORE,
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UM, LONG-TERM REGULATORY CONTROLS AND TIGHTER AND HIGHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS PROJECTS AND PROPOSALS COME FORWARD TO THE COUNTY.THAT IS, UM, ONE THING THAT WE HAVE SEEN AND WE WANT TO HOPE AND CONTINUE TO FOSTER TO HAVE THAT DIVERSIFIED, UM, BUSINESS COMMUNITY AS WELL AS DIVERSIFIED HOUSING OPTIONS TO CREATE THAT VILLAGE LOOK AND FEEL AND HAVE A DESTINATION TO, YOU KNOW, STAY, PLAY, WORK, SHOP, ALL OF THAT IN AN AREA.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? NO, UH, NO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, NOT AT THIS POINT.
OKAY, Y'ALL FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR.
WELL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
UH, WE WILL ASK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA SPEAK, SIT IN THE FRONT ROW SO THAT YOU DON'T WASTE A LOT OF TIME MOVING OUT, MOVING AROUND.
UH, MS. PARK WILL EXPLAIN THE LIGHTING SYSTEM OF HOW MUCH TIME YOU GENERALLY HAVE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, THE FRONT ROW HAS BEEN RESERVED FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK.
CITIZENS ARE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO COMMENT ON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN THE GREEN LIGHT COMES ON, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
WHEN THE YELLOW LIGHT COMES ON, YOU HAVE 60 SECONDS REMAINING.
AND WHEN THE YELLOW LIGHT FLASHES CONTINUOUSLY, YOU WILL HAVE 30 SECONDS REMAINING.
AND WHEN THE RED LIGHT BLINKS, YOUR TIME IS UP.
WOULD I OPENLY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
AND PLEASE, UH, TRY NOT TO, TRY TO, NOT TO BE REDUNDANT.
UH, ONCE SOMEBODY HAS MADE A STATEMENT, UH, WE HAVE THAT ON RECORD AND WE DON'T NEED TO HEAR THE SAME THING FOUR OR FIVE TIMES.
THANK YOU, MR. ROCK, CHARLIE AND MR. MYERS.
TARA, UH, JONATHAN LYLE, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
AND, UH, I HAVE, UH, GOT A FRIEND.
SO SANDRA WARWICK, 3 6 7, UH, SWINBURN ROAD, MANNEQUIN SABOT.
I SEE MY TIME TO MR. UH, MR. LYLE HERE? YES.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEAT MY TIE TO JOHN LYLE.
DUSTIN, USE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
12 THREE CHOP ROAD MANNEQUIN AVENUE.
I'M SORRY, SIR, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT FOR ME? YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? DUSTIN GRIFFEY, 5 12 3 CHOP ROAD, MANNEQUIN, SABBATH, VIRGINIA.
AND, AND IF POSSIBLE, FOLKS, IF YOU CAN COME TO THE MICROPHONE TO DO THAT, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS ON OUR LIVE STREAM, BUT WE'VE GOT MR. MEYERS WHO'S ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR IS THROUGH WHAT COMES THROUGH THAT MICROPHONE.
SO IF POSSIBLE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
IF YOU'D COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, UH, WE GOT YOU, WE GOT YOU.
BUT, UH, FOR OTHERS IF WE COULD DO THAT, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE BACK TO JONATHAN LYLE, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
UH, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT WITH SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS AND, AND REALLY RESIDENTS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTY TO HELP GIVE WHAT, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ASKED FOR.
AND THAT IS FEEDBACK AND RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, HOW TO MAKE THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE SMALL AREA PLAN, UH, REFLECTIVE OF WHAT FOLKS HERE IN GOLAND WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, HOW GOOSE UCHIN WOULD GROW GRACEFULLY.
AND AS PART OF THAT PROCESS TONIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT SIX SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS, UH, AND CHANGES THAT WHEN ADOPTED WILL IMPROVE, UH, THE CURRENT DRAFT PLAN.
UH, WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING AND I'VE GOT NO RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO MAKE IT BETTER.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TONIGHT.
THESE ARE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I THINK THEY CAN LEAD TO A WIN-WIN WIN.
UH, THERE'S NOT A DESIRE TO THROW THE DRAFT PLAN OUT, BUT, UH, TO IMPROVE IT.
UH, CURRENTLY, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE 2035 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, VIRGINIA LAW REQUIRES THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS THE COUNTY LOOK AT THE PLAN.
IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO CHANGE IT, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO REVIEW IT.
UH, ACTUALLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD SAY, WE KINDA LIKE WHAT WE GOT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES.
UH, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I THINK IS, UH, GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.
HOWEVER, THE CHANGES ARE MADE IN THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR THE 35 20 35 COMP PLAN.
UH, THERE ARE FIVE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
I THINK NUMBER FOUR IS A PARTICULAR INTEREST, AND THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT EXCEED THE COUNTY'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE NEEDED SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, I'LL, YOU KNOW, TELL A STORY ON MYSELF.
IN PRIVATE INDUSTRY, I'VE BEEN PART OF OVER EXPANSION.
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THAT WAS NOT GOOD FOR OUR CURRENT CLIENTS AND IT WASN'T GOOD FOR THE NEW CLIENTS THAT WE BROUGHT ON.SO THESE SIX AMENDMENTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR SPOKEN TO TONIGHT ARE INTENDED TO KEEP OUR GROWTH IN A GRACEFUL MODE AND NOT TOO, TOO AGGRESSIVE.
NOW PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I DON'T WANT TOO SHORT PUMP GOOSE ONE.
AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
BUT THIS AERIAL SHOT, UH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS TO BE TOO TERRIBLY CHALLENGED TO SEE WHERE SHORT BUMP ENDS IN GLAND BEGINS.
UH, IF, IF WE WANNA SEE VISUALLY, UH, THE SIX AMENDMENTS, I SHOULD SAY ARE INTENDED TO KEEP 15% OF GLAND DEVELOPING, AND IT'S 85% IN A RURAL AND OPEN AREA.
UH, THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN HAS GOT A LOT OF WORK IN IT.
UH, NOBODY IS SAYING THROW IT OUT, IT'S NOT ANY GOOD.
BUT YOU ARE GONNA SEE, UH, SOME VERY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY'RE GONNA EMPHASIZE GUIDANCE.
THE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN, I BELIEVE ALREADY ARE HERE.
TRUST ME, PEOPLE WILL ADDRESS THEM ALL.
BUT THE QUICK SUMMARY IS THESE ARE SPECIFICS.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE BELIEVE IS GONNA MAKE IT BETTER.
AND THEIR GUIDANCE, AS I SAID, THEY AREN'T SPECIFICS.
THEY AREN'T COMING IN AND SAYING SQUARE FOOTAGE OR SETBACKS OR SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.
AND I ALSO MIGHT SAY THAT NONE OF THESE AMENDMENTS WOULD PRECLUDE A LANDOWNER OR DEVELOPER FOR BRINGING FORWARD A REQUEST FOR REZONING OR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
BUT THEY DO PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND I THINK THE CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY AS WELL AS DEVELOPERS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT FITS WITH THE VISION FOR GOIN COUNTY AND HOW CAN WE GROW GRACEFULLY AND AVOID BECOMING SHORT PUMP BEST.
SO AGAIN, WHAT ARE TONIGHT'S AMENDMENTS SUPPOSED TO DO? KEEP SHORT PUMP AND SHORT PUMP AND KEEP GOOSE AND GOON.
WHAT DOES SHORT PUMP DENSITY LOOK LIKE? WELL, A HALF MILE FROM THE COUNTY LINE, UH, YOU CAN FIND THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT DENSITIES ARE A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HIGHER DENSITY.
THIS IS NOT WHAT I'M HEARING PEOPLE SAY.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE GOLIN BECOME PARTICULARLY THE CORE VILLAGE OF CENTERVILLE.
HOW MUCH DENSITY IS TOO MUCH? I CAN'T SAY WHAT IS TOO MUCH, BUT I CAN SAY THIS IS NOT WHAT I'M HEARING PEOPLE SAY THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN GOOSE.
AND LET'S CONSIDER JUST ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS.
UH, IT, IT DIRECTS THAT LODGING BE PUT IN THE B THREE INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL AREAS AND NEAR THE INTERCHANGES, UH, UH, FOR THE INTERSTATES.
UH, WITHOUT AN AMENDMENT, WITHOUT THAT AMENDMENT, A DEVELOPER MIGHT FEEL LIKE, WELL, GUIDANCE SAYS WE CAN PUT HOTELS IN CENTERVILLE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE ACME STOVE, RIGHT BETWEEN THE TOURIST BANK IN THE, UH, SHELL STATION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS ROOM WOULD BE FILLED WITH? PEOPLE SAYING, YEAH, LET'S PUT A FAIRFIELD IN RIGHT THERE BETWEEN TRUIST AND THE SHELL STATION.
DO YOU THINK THAT THEY WOULD THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD IDEA,
SO SURPRISE, I'M NOT USING ALL THE BORROWED TIME I NEEDED, BUT WHAT WE ARE HEARING IS GONNA BE FROM CITIZENS THAT SAY THAT THESE SIX AMENDMENTS, THESE SPECIFIC ACTION ITEMS WILL MAKE THE DRAFT PLAN BETTER.
AND THAT WHEN YOU SEND THIS ON WITH A RECOMMENDATION, MAYBE TO DENY, MAYBE TO IMPLEMENT, BUT IT WILL MAKE IT A BETTER ONE.
AND I THINK THE POOR SUPERVISORS WILL APPRECIATE THAT KIND OF FEEDBACK.
I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, IF YOU HAD ANY, I'D ANSWER 'EM.
DO YOU HAVE COPIES OF, DO YOU REMEMBER? UH, YOU WILL, YES.
MY NAME IS MARILEE FIORE, I'M A RESIDENT OF GLAND COUNTY AND I LIVE AT 1921 HOUND SOUL LANE IN THE PARK AT SADDLE CREEK IN MANNEQUIN SABBATH.
I'M, I'M ROBERT PARKER, 1333 HOUNSLOW DRIVE, MANNEQUIN SABO.
I'D LIKE TO EXCEED MY TIME TO MAYOR LEE.
I'M AN ELECTED MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE H O A AT THE PARK AT SADDLE CREEK, AND I'VE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE BOARD TO PRESENT THIS STATEMENT.
THE PARK AT SADDLE CREEK IS A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD OF 102 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AVERAGING IN VALUE BETWEEN 650 AND $710,000.
THE ESTIMATED, ESTIMATED TOTAL REAL
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ESTATE TAXES, BOTH GU GLAND COUNTY REAL ESTATE TAX AND TUCKAHOE CREEK, A VALOREM TAX PAID BY SADDLE CREEK RESIDENTS IS OVER $600,000 PER YEAR.THE H O A BOARD AND MANY OF OUR H O A MEMBERS HAVE REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED THE PROPOSED PLAN FOR CENTERVILLE.
WE APPRECIATE THE ENERGY AND EFFORT THE COUNTY HAS TAKEN TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE OF CENTERVILLE AND TO PROVIDE PRE PROFESSIONAL INSIGHT AND TO MEET WITH US AS CITIZENS AND HEAR OUR CONCERNS.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT CHANGE IS INEVITABLE AND THOUGHTFUL CHANGE IS ESSENTIAL.
WE ARE IN GENERAL AGREEMENT WITH MANY OF THE IDEAS PRESENTED IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
NUMBER ONE, WE FEEL THE MAJORITY OF COMMERCIAL MIXED USE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PORTIONS OF THIS PLAN ARE WELL PLACED NORTH OF BROAD STREET ROAD, SOUTH OF BROAD STREET ROAD.
WE BELIEVE THE VISION OF NEIGHBORHOOD, RESIDENTIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS APPROPRIATE.
WE RECOGNIZE LAND USE BORDERING THE SOUTH SIDE OF BROAD STREET ROAD NOW IS COMMERCIAL.
HOWEVER, WE ARE NOT SURE IT SHOULD BE MIXED USE CORE.
WE FEEL THAT MIXED USE CORE IS A FAILED CONCEPT FOR SMALL COMMUNITY AREAS LIKE OURS, PARTICULARLY WITH CLOSE BY SHORT PUMP, PROVIDING SO MANY MORE OPTIONS FOR MIXED USE.
WE DO APPRECIATE AND FEEL VITAL THE ALREADY EXISTING ESTABLISHED TREE BUFFER BETWEEN OUR PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND SPECIFICALLY THE HOMES ON HOUNSLOW DRIVE AND THE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BROAD STREET.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A GREAT, GREAT TREE BUFFER AND WE DON'T WANNA LOSE THIS BUFFER WITH MIXED USE CORE COMING IN.
IT IS EVIDENT THAT THE RELOCATION OF HOCKET ROAD TO DIRECT CON TO DIRECTLY CONNECT WITH ASHLAND ROAD ROUTE 6 23 HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR SOME TIME BASED UPON THE ALREADY EXISTING ROAD OPENING THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED ON THE SOUTH CURB LINE OF BROAD STREET ROAD.
THIS MAKES SOME SENSE, HOWEVER, WE QUESTION WHAT HAPPENS TO THE EXISTING HOCKETT ROAD, BROAD STREET ROAD INTERSECTION AND THE ACCESS TO BIG BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
WILL THE MEDIAN STAY OPEN ON BROAD STREET OR WILL IT BE CLOSED, UH, IMPACTING ACCESS TO SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES? AND FINALLY, WE ALSO SEE IN THE PLAN, THE ADDITIONAL ROAD CONCEPT PROPOSED SUGGESTING A PARALLEL ROAD BEHIND COMMERCIAL MIXED USE AREAS SOUTH OF BROAD STREET.
THIS ROAD WOULD CONNECT HOCKET ROAD AND ESSENTIALLY ASHLAND ROAD AND 6 23 WITH MANNEQUIN ROAD RUNNING RIGHT BEHIND AND THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE FEEL THIS IS A NEEDLESS DUPLICATION OF EAST WEST ROADING WHEN THE HOCKET AND ASHLAND ASHLAND ROAD CONNECTION WILL PROVIDE MULTIPLE DIRECTION OPTIONS FOR MOTORISTS.
WHY INCREASE TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR SLEEPY NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN SO MANY VE VEHICLES USING THAT CONNECTION WOULD ONLY BE SEEKING A QUICK SHORTCUT RATHER THAN ACCESSING THE FINAL DESTINATION OF THE PARK AT SADDLE CREEK? THIS IN INCREASED TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT SEEMS TO BE A SHORTSIGHTED VISION BY SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT LIVE IN OUR PEACEFUL COMMUNITY.
IT IS A COMMUNITY WHERE MANY OF US, MOSTLY SENIOR CITIZENS, MORE THAN FREQUENTLY, WALK PETS AND STROLL VISITING WITH OTHER RESIDENTS.
WE HAVE LOTS OF PEDESTRIANS IN THE PARK AT SADDLE CREEK.
HEAVY TRAFFIC AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE A MISMATCH AND NOT CONSISTENT.
OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS ALARMED AND CONCERNED ABOUT OUR PRIVACY, OUR SAFETY AND SECURITY.
SHOULD SADDLE CREEK PARKWAY BE EXTENDED THROUGH TO HOCKETT ROAD, WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL DEFER, VOTE UPON THIS OR CHANGE THIS OR VOTE AGAINST IT.
AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
UH, GREG KLI, 2 0 2 8 SYCAMORE CREEK DRIVE, MANNEQUIN SABOT.
UH, I'VE BEEN A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY SINCE 1999.
UM, BOTH OF 'EM WENT TO BENEDICTINE.
UM, SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY LONG MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HERE.
UM, APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THE COUNTY HAS PUT INTO DEVELOPING THIS PLAN AND THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
UH, MY JOB TONIGHT IS TO SHARE SOME OF THE VIEWS OF THE SYCAMORE CREEK COMMUNITY, UH, AS WELL AS MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING, UH, THE TREATMENT OF SYCAMORE CREEK GOLF COURSE.
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AND EXCUSE A MINUTE.Y'ALL MIND NOT DOING THAT WHILE THE SPEAKER'S SPEAKING? WE'RE DISTRACTING.
YOU'RE BLOCKING THE, AND I CAN'T EVEN SEE PEOPLE.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, MY, MY PLAN HERE IS TO SHARE SOME OF THE VIEWS OF THE SYCAMORE CREEK, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND THE CONCERNS AROUND THE RECLASSIFICATION OF THE, THE GOLF COURSE, UH, LAND, AS WELL AS THE EXPANSION OF THE, THE CORE, UH, BEYOND, UH, THE PROPERTY IN SATTER WHITE'S OVERLAPPING WITH THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF.
AND TWO OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE SOUTH OF BROAD STREET THAT HAVE BEEN ALSO ADDED TO THE MIXED CORE THAT TODAY ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GOLF COURSE AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, A PLACE TO GO FOR A WALK AT NIGHT, AND THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE DIVOTS OUT OF OUR BACKYARD DURING THE DAY.
SO IT'S A GOOD SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP.
UM, IN ADDITION, UM, I'M SORRY.
SO LOOKING AT THE RECLASSIFICATIONS AS WELL AS THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME.
IT WAS KIND OF AN INCONSISTENCY OF MAINTAINING AND PRESERVING THE OPEN SPACE AND THE NEED TO RECLASSIFY THE GOLF COURSE TO, UH, MIXED USE, UH, IN VILLAGE CORE, UM, AS WELL AS THE NEED TO RETAIN WATERWAYS, WHICH CUT CONSISTENT, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT THROUGH THE GOLF COURSE.
UM, WITHIN SYCAMORE CREEK, UH, GOLF COURSE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT STAND OUT.
IT'S A, UH, IT'S A PROPRIETARY, A BUSINESS THAT SUPPORTS THE COMMUNITY.
UH, THERE'S 200, 250 PEOPLE THAT USE UTILIZE THE GOLF COURSE ON A DAILY BASIS.
THAT PROVIDES A LOT OF EMPLOYMENT FOR HIGH SCHOOL KIDS, AS WELL AS SOME SENIORS WHO WIVES WANT THEM TO GET OUTTA THE HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO ENGAGE IT'S REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY.
UM, AND JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE, THE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHOLE NUMBER TWO THAT IS NOW INCLUDED IN THE CORE IS NOT A SINGLE PARCEL.
THAT PARCEL WRAPS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE COMMUNITY, THOUGH THERE'S 51 ACRES THERE, INCLUDED IN THAT PAR, UH, THAT LAND PARCEL.
UH, THERE'S THREE OR FOUR SEPTIC TANK OR, UH, DRAIN FIELD EASEMENTS INTO THAT GOLF COURSE, UH, AREA.
PART OF IT FALLS WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
THERE'S A CEMETERY WITHIN THE WOODS, UH, BETWEEN HOLE NUMBER TWO AND, UM, AND SATTER WHITES.
AND THEN THE, THE AREA NEXT TO SATTER WHITES.
THE MANNEQUIN VILLAGE IS AN AREA WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN 2007 THROUGH 2009, DEFINING PROFFERS WITH THE COUNTY, WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO PRESERVE THE TREE LINE AND BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT WOULD GO IN THERE.
OUR CONCERN IS THAT THE REDEFINITION OF THAT PROPERTY AS PART OF THE CORE, MIGHT PUT A JEOPARDY OF THOSE PROFFERS AND ELIMINATE THAT TREE BUFFER.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THAT WE AMEND THE, THE, UM, THE CENTERVILLE PLAN AND THE USE MAPS TO REMOVE SYCAMORE CREEK FROM THE MIXED USE CORE AND RETAIN THE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE, THE PLAN FOR RECREATIONAL OPEN SPACE.
AND THERE'S TWO TAX PARCELS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
47 DASH ONE DASH EIGHT DASH AND 47 DASH ONE DASH DASH 42 DASH A FURTHER.
WE RECOMMEND THAT THE SMALL VILLAGE PLAN EXCLUDE THE TWO LOTS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SYCAMORE CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, FOUR SEVEN DASH ZERO DASH DASH AND FOUR SEVEN, UH, 47 DASH ONE DASH ZERO DASH THREE ONE DASH ZERO.
UH, THAT'S CURRENTLY PLANNED FOR MIXED USE CORE.
WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY KEEP IT AS SINGLE USE, UM, RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.
YOU WANNA GO AGAIN? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
HELLO, MIKE LUSCOMB, TWO 20 BROAD STREET ROAD.
I LIVE, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE SYCAMORE CREEK GOLF COURSE BETWEEN HOLES FOUR AND FIVE, I COULD BE BRIEF.
UM, LOOKING AT THE COUNTY MAP, WE HAVE WHAT I SEE AS FIVE PUBLIC PARKS.
THEY'RE ALL, I BELIEVE IN DISTRICT THREE OF THE COUNTY FIVE PUBLIC PARKS.
WE'RE TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT DISTRICT FOUR AND FIVE, AND IN DISTRICT FOUR AND FIVE WE HAVE FIVE GOLF COURSES.
OF THE FIVE GOLF COURSES, ONLY ONE IS PUBLIC.
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ALL THAT, UH, SPACE, OPEN SPACE, PUBLIC USE SPACE, YOU HAVE ONE PUBLIC GOLF COURSE IN OUR AREA, UH, WHERE ALL THE INTENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMING IN.NOW, IF WE LOOK FIVE MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT'S BECOMING 10 MINUTES WITH TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN SHORT PUMP, WE'VE GOT ALL THE INTENSITY, WHICH IS AN INTERESTING WORD.
I THINK THAT'S BEING USED A LOT.
IT'S REALLY THE REASON PEOPLE COME, COME TO GOOCHLAND IS TO ESCAPE THE INTENSITY.
BUT ANYWAY, WE'VE GOT ALL THE INTENSITY OF, WE'RE THE MOST OVER RETAIL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, AND RICHMOND IS ONE OF THE MOST OVER RETAIL CITIES IN THE COUNTRY.
WE'VE GOT ALL THAT FIVE, 10 MINUTES AWAY AND WE'VE GOT A PLETHORA OF NEW MULTI MULTIFAMILY HOUSING RIGHT THERE.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE, AND I WOULD BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THE FOLKS HERE TONIGHT HAVE IS SINCE ALL THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN INVESTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IN THE SMALL AREA PLAN, WHAT PUBLIC NEED HAS CHANGED? WHAT'S CHANGED? WHAT'S DRIVING THE NEED TO MAKE THESE LAND USE DE DESIGNATION CHANGES? THAT'S THE OPEN QUESTION IN MY MIND.
SORRY, YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IT IN ORDER.
SORRY, THAT, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
MY NAME'S CHAD LAWSON RESIDE AT 2001 SYCAMORE CREEK DRIVE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO FIRST START OFF BY ASKING, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION, WOULD ANY OF YOU LIKE TO WAKE UP ONE DAY AND FIND A LONG JOHN SILVERS AND YOUR BACKYARD? I MEAN, WHO'S ACTUALLY KEEPING THOSE PLACES OPEN ANYMORE? RIGHT.
UM, WELL THIS IS HONESTLY THE, THE FIGHT THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOW BEING FACED WITH.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE RE UM, NOW RESIDED, UM, IN, IN OUR NEW HOME, UH, SINCE NOVEMBER 15TH OF LAST YEAR.
UM, AND, AND WE ARE ACTUALLY THE FIRST HOUSE, UH, OFF OF BROAD STREET ON THE RIGHT AFTER YOU PASSED OUTTER WHITES.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING THERE FOR EIGHT MONTHS, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, HAD AN OVERWHELMING, UM, LOVE OF THE AREA IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE FELT LIKE WE'D FINALLY MADE IT OUT OF THE CONGESTED SUBURBAN AREA TO LEARN THAT WE'RE POTENTIALLY GOING TO LOSE THAT.
AGAIN, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 20, 30 PLUS YEARS, AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW THEY FEEL.
THE FUTURE PLAN DOESN'T REALLY ALLOW, UH, FOR A BUFFER FOR THE COMMERCIAL MIXED USE SPACE, AND WHICH ULTIMATELY BACKS UP 25 FEET FROM MY BACKYARD.
I WOULD HAVE SERIOUS, UM, HOME SAFETY CONCERNS, UH, FOR MY FAMILY.
SHOULD A GAS STATION OR A HOTEL PARKING LOT BE IN THE DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT OF MY HOME AND 25 FEET, UH, AWAY, UH, WE HAVE A ROW OF SCARCELY THICK PINE TREES AND LELAND CYPRESS TREES THAT ARE 25 YEARS OLD THAT HONESTLY NEED TO BE TAKEN DOWN.
UH, AND THAT WOULD LEAVE NO BUFFER, UH, BETWEEN ME AND A, YOU KNOW, A THREE STORY MOTEL, YOU KNOW, PARKING LOT AND OR THEIR DUMPSTERS.
SO BEYOND THAT, THE ENTRANCE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALSO A DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT IN OUR FRONT DOOR, AND WE HAVE THE SAME, UH, SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, SAFETY CONCERNS, UH, WITH LACK OF THE PROPOSED BUFFER ON WHAT THAT WOULD NOW BE, UM, WHICH IS NOW REALLY FARMLAND AND RURAL AREA FOR WHAT IS NOW A VERY SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
I LIKE TO SAY ALSO THAT I'M NOT AGAINST CONSTRUCTION.
MY PROFESSION, UH, IN CONSTRUCTION DEPENDS ON IT.
HOWEVER, THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ACTUALLY GREAT ABOUT CENTERVILLE AND GLAND, THAT IT'S NOT WEST BROAD VILLAGE AND IT'S NOT SHORT PUMP.
UM, YOU HAVE ALL WITNESSED THE CONSTANT TURNOVER OF NUMEROUS BUSINESSES IN WEST BROAD VILLAGE.
MORE SHOPPING MALLS IS, UH, A SHORT TERM ECONOMY BUILDER.
AND IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OUTLOOK, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST EVERYTHING IS ACTUALLY BOUGHT ONLINE ANYWHERE.
SO THE FOCUS REALLY SHOULD BE ON PROVING EXISTING AMENITIES AND BUSINESSES WITH THE INPUT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE PLAN OF FUTURE, UH, MENTIONS AN EMPHASIS TO ALLOW PERMANENT PARKS AND RECREATION AREAS.
I, I WOULD LOVE TO JUMP ON THAT.
I'D REQUEST THAT THE EXISTING SMORE CREEK GOLF COURSE REMAIN AS THE COURSE, UH, AND, AND OR AS A PARK, UH, AS THAT NATURAL BUFFER.
UM, FURTHERMORE, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER HAND, CONTINUOUS RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION COULD LEAD TO AN INCREASE OF REAL ESTATE, UH, YOU KNOW, TAXES ON THE WHOLE COUNTY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, BOARD IS BASICALLY TURNING THE SYCAMORE CREEK, UM, SHOULD THEY, YOU KNOW, WAIVER THAT DECISION, UH, INTO AN ISLAND SURROUNDED, UH, YOU KNOW, FULL OF BUSINESSES AND MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.
UH, WE MOVED TO THE COUNTY TO GET AWAY WITH THAT AND RAISED FOR OUR FAMILY AND THE LAND, UH, VALUES FOR THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD.
SO, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY SIGNIFICANTLY DROP, UH, SHOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, SYCAMORE NOT, UH, REMAIN.
UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, UH, I KINDA YIELD TO THE REST OF THE, UM, REITERATING NOTES THAT GREG ZI JUST MENTIONED.
UM, AND RESPECTFULLY, UH, REQUEST THE COMMITTEE CONCERN, UM, TAKE THESE, UH, CONSIDERATIONS UNDER ACCOUNT AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALLS TIME, CONSIDERATION, AND UNDERSTANDING.
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IS ROB WILLIAMSON.I LIVE AT 2 2 6 2 WHEATLAND DRIVE.
I LIVE AT 2 2 6 2 WHEATLAND DRIVE AND I'M GIVING MY MINUTES TO HIM.
MY NAME IS PAT HINDI, I LIVE AT 2337 WHEATLAND DRIVE, AND I SEE TO MR. WILLIAMS MY THREE-WAY MINUTES.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE, UH, LAND USE MAP, PAGE 16 IN THE NEW PLAN.
THAT IS YOUR PACKAGE, PAGE 23.
THAT SHOWS THE, UH, MAP WITH THE, UH, GOLD COLORING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BROAD STREET AND THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, AND THEN THE MATRIX THAT ADJOINS THAT PAGE IN THE DESCRIPTION OF, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, THE TWO TO FOUR UNITS PER ACRE DENSITY.
ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THE CURRENT, UH, AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS PLAN AND THE PREVIOUS COMP PLAN IS THE GOLD AREA IS YELLOW MEDIUM DENSITY.
ALSO IN THE COMP PLAN, THERE'S A PROVISION AND A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT SAYS, USE THE 2035 PLAN TO DETERMINE APPROPRIATE DENSITY.
SO WHEN IT'S SUPERSEDED THAT PLAN WILL BE USED TO DO PROPER DENSITIES.
SO LEMME START WITH A QUESTION.
TUCKAHOE BRIDGE SOUTH HAS R P U D ZONING AND IS ALMOST BUILT OUT WITH 49 HOMES, NOT 122 HOMES AS ALLOWED BY R P U D ORDINANCE.
SO WHY IS THAT? BUT BEFORE I GIVE, GIVE AN ANSWER, I WANNA RECOMMEND THAT THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN TO PAGE 16, YOUR PACKAGE.
PAGE 23, CHANGE THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD GOLD BACK TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL YELLOW FOR TUCKO BRIDGE NORTH AND THE ADJOINING 136 ACRE PARCEL AND REALIGN THOSE WITH THE DENSITIES IN THE CURRENT COMP PLAN, LAND USE MAP.
AND YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THE FOUR, UH, TAX PARCELS THAT ARE AFFECTED.
THE REASON I MAKE THIS REQUEST IS, IS WITHOUT THIS AMENDMENT.
THE NEW RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, DESIGNATION OPENS A PANDORA'S BOX OF ISSUES WITH CREATING NEW ZONING ORDINANCES THAT NEED, THAT ARE NEEDED TO EXECUTE THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN.
THIS WILL RESULT IN STAFF PENDING SPENDING COUNTLESS HOURS, DRAWING UP NEW ORDINANCES, WHICH ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED, AND THEN PRE PROCESSING REZONING REQUESTS AND PLAN DEVELOPMENTS FOR THE LISTED PARCELS.
A LOT OF WORK BY STAFF AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WENT INTO TUCKO BRIDGE, R P U D ZONING IN IS CURRENT FORM TO ENSURE IT COMPLIED WITH THE CURRENT COMP PLANS MEDIUM DENSITY.
THE REASONS FOR THIS WERE MANY NO SUBURBAN DENSITIES.
WERE NORTH OF BROAD STREET AND WEST OF THE GOLF COURSE.
TAPERING DOWN DENSITIES IS A REQUIREMENT IN THE COMP PLAN ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY WHERE IT BUTTS UP AGAINST FARMLANDS AND TRAFFIC ISSUES ON ROCKVILLE ROAD AND WHERE IT INTERSECTS.
ASHLAND ROADS WERE MANY, JUST TO NAME A FEW.
NOW, IMAGINE THE LIST OF PARCELS IN TUCKO BRIDGE NORTH BEING DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BY THIS NEW PLAN THAT SAY UP TO FOUR DWELLINGS PER ACRE.
AND KEEP IN MIND, THE TOTAL TUCKO BRIDGE PROJECT CURRENTLY IS 98 TOTAL HOMES ON 98 ACRES.
WITH THE NEW DESIGNATION, NORTHSIDE ALONE WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR 196 HOMES, FOUR TIMES 49, ALMOST TWICE THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED DENSITY.
FURTHERMORE, THE ADJOINING 136 ACRES WILL HAVE POSSIBLY 544 HOMES.
THAT'S A TOTAL OF 740 HOMES ON LESS THAN A ONE MILE STRETCH OF ROCKVILLE ROAD ALONE.
NOW, I'VE HEARD, UH, COUNTY LEADERSHIP SAY THAT, UH, REPEATEDLY THAT A APPROVING THIS SMALL AREA PLAN DOESN'T, DOESN'T REALLY MEAN MUCH BECAUSE THEY CAN IMPLEMENT, UH, THE POWER TO SIMPLY APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE REQUESTS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, REALLY WITH NO TECHNICAL JUSTIFICATION, BUT TAKING EACH, UH, REQUEST ONE-ON-ONE AND MAKING A DECISION EACH TIME.
THEY ALSO QUOTE TALKING POINTS TO REMEMBER THAT THE SMALL AREA OF PLAN DOES NOT INSTANTLY CHANGE ZONING ORDINANCES AND THE ORDINANCES ARE THE LEGALLY BINDING REQUIREMENTS.
THOSE STATEMENTS IN THE TALKING POINTS ARE TRUE.
HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THEY'RE DISINGENUOUS AT BEST.
THE FULL TRUTH PAINTS A DIFFERENT STORY.
WHAT IT OMITS, IN MY OPINION, THERE WILL BE TREMENDOUS PRESSURE BY DEVELOPER LANDOWNERS TO GET NEW ZONING ORDINANCES WRITTEN AND APPROVED WITH MAXIMUM DENSITIES AS STATED IN THE NEW SMALL AREA PLAN UP TO AND INCLUDE POSSIBLE LEGAL ACTION IF THEY'RE DENIED.
THAT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY IN MY, IN MY OPINION, GETTING THESE TAX PARCELS CHANGED TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATED ON THE NEW PLAN.
SO IF THE, IF THE MAXIMUM URBAN DENSITY WAS NOT DESIRED, THEN THERE WAS NO NEED TO
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CHANGE THEM TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.SO WHY DID THEY DO IT? IT SEEMS PRETTY OBVIOUS TO ME THE STAFF DIDN'T DO IT ON THEIR OWN.
IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, $740 MILLION HOMES IS A TREMENDOUS MOTIVATOR.
$740 MILLION CAN BUY THE BEST LEGAL TEAM TO SWAMP THIS COUNTY'S SMALL LEGAL AND PLANNING STAFFS, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO SEE.
WHY WOULDN'T YOU PREVENT THAT IF YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO AMEND THE THE PLAN? NOW, LET ME ANSWER THE QUESTION.
TUCKO BRIDGE WAS APPROVED WITH 49 HOMES ON NORTH SIDE AND 49 HOMES ON THE SOUTH ON 90, UH, 98 ACRES, AND IT WAS APPROVED AS R P U D ONE ACRE AVERAGE.
IF I USE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE ORDINANCES ARE LEGALLY BINDING AND THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T MEAN MUCH, THEN TUCKAHOE BRIDGE SHOULD BE THE TWO AND A HALF HOMES PER ACRE AT 245 UNITS, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE COMP PLAN'S.
LITTLE MEDIUM DENSITY DETAIL WAS USED CONFIDENTLY BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS LIMITING DENSITY AND ENSURING THE PROJECT COMPLIED WITH THE 2035 COMP PLANS.
MEDIUM, ONE HOME PER ACRE AVERAGE THOE BRIDGE SOUTH UNRAVELS THE NOTION THAT THE COMP PLAN IS MEANINGLESS AND THE DETAILS DON'T MATTER.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, DEVELOPERS AND LANDOWNERS HAVE NOT PRESENTED IN PUBLIC A COMPELLING ARGUMENT AS TO WHY A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE LISTED TAX PARCELS IS A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY CITIZENS AND RESOLVES AN EXISTING NEED.
PLEASE IMPLEMENT THE REQUESTED AMENDMENT, CHANGE AND PROTECT THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE, THE CURRENT CITIZENS, THE WESTERN TRANSITIONAL AREAS, AND ROCKVILLE ROAD.
LINDA MOORE, 2164 PROFIT ROAD AND JAMES 1210 BROAD STREET ROAD, OILVILLE, AND I RELEASED MY TIME TO HER.
UM, THERE IS A PACKAGE OF INFORMATION THAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO STAY FOCUSED ON WHAT I AM ASKING.
UM, I RECOMMEND AMENDING THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN.
UM, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, OF, IN WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THE MATRIX THAT, UH, IN REMOVING, UM, UH, USE AND DENSITY HEIGHTS, MAJOR MASKING IN STREET RELATIONSHIPS AND PARKING DESCRIPTIONS.
UH, THESE ARE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCES EXPLICITLY.
I ALSO RECOMMEND, UM, UH, THAT ON ON PAGE 27, THE, UH, UH, LAND USE REGULATORY CONTROLS ALSO REMOVES, UM, UH, UH, USES AND DENSITY DESCRIPTIONS, UM, AS THEY TOO ARE ALSO IN THE, UH, IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE DISTRICTS SPECIFICALLY.
UM, BACK IN, UH, 2019, UM, JOANNE HUNTER HELPED OUR CITIZENS UNDERSTAND THE ZONING, UM, IN, IN, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING IN THERE, SHE USED FOUR SPECIFIC PAGES THAT, UH, UH, TO EXPLAIN WHAT A COMP PLAN IS.
UP UNTIL THAT TIME, MOST CITIZENS SAY, WHAT IS A COMP PLAN? THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS.
UP, UP ON YOUR SCREEN IS JUST THREE OF THE, UM, PAGES.
UM, THE MOST PREVALENT ONE IS THE, THE, THE PURPOSE FOR IT.
AND IT HAS, UH, UNDER IT, UH, ZONING ORDINANCES, UH, SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS, UH, UM, PROGRAMS, AND OTHER OF THE PLANS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO, UM, CHANGE, UM, THROUGH THE COMP PLAN.
UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A GUIDE, UH, AND EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THAT, BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, PROVIDES THE LEGAL BASIS FOR LAND USE DECISIONS, BUT IT DOES NOT REGULATE LAND USE.
SO THERE IS THEREIN THE FACT THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GENERAL
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IN NATURE, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING GENERAL IN NATURE.UH, WHEN YOU ADD THESE SPECIFIC THINGS, IT'S GONNA BE AN ONGOING BATTLE BETWEEN WHAT THE DEVELOPERS THINK THAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO, AND WHAT WE IN THE COMMUNITY THINK IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST, WHICH IS SAFE FOR US.
I PLEASE, UM, AT LEAST DO THAT.
THE, UH, SIX AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU, UH, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE, UM, GIVEN YOU, UM, JUST MINIMAL CHANGES THAT WOULD MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE REST OF US CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, NOT BE CONTINUALLY GOING TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND BEING AT ODDS WHEN A DEVELOPER FEELS THAT HE'S GOT THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT IS IN THE COMP PLAN, IT SAYS HE CAN HAVE THIS USE THIS USE AND THAT USE MR. ROCK.
CHARLIE, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE BEEN, UH, THROUGH THE COMP PLAN, UH, 2035, YOU, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THE REWRITE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCES IN 2019.
IT TOOK US BETWEEN 2009, UH, UH, 2015 APPROVAL OF THE COMP PLAN ALL THE WAY TO IT, UH, FINALLY GETTING THE ZONING ORDINANCES REWRITTEN.
AND IN, DURING THAT TIME, WE HAD A LOT OF OF STRUGGLES WITH DEVELOPERS.
UM, HE, UM, ROB REFERENCED, UM, TUCKAHOE CREEK, UH, I MEAN, I MEAN TUCKAHOE BRIDGE.
UM, MANNEQUIN TOWN TOOK FOUR YEARS, FOUR YEARS TO GET THEM TO COMPLY WITH THE COMP LAND AND THE ZONING ORDINANCES STANDARDS.
WE DON'T WANNA SEE THE STANDARDS LOWERED FOR, UH, IT, IT JUST DEFEATS THE PURPOSE.
DO YOU WANT TO GO? NO, YOU GO AHEAD.
Y'ALL ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SOME STUFF.
I'M, I'M CHARLIE REMER AT 2 0 1 5 SYCAMORE CREEK DRIVE.
I'M SEATING MY TIME DE PAUL DOUG KNAPP.
2 3 3 7 WHEATLAND DRIVE, MANNEQUIN SABOT.
AND I WILL C MY THREE MINUTES TO PAUL COSTELLO.
AND ASHLEY'S PASSING OUT SOME DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE REFERRED TO SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THESE SIX AMENDMENTS.
UM, MY NAME IS PAUL COSTELLO AND I LIVE AT 2011 SWELL CREEK DRIVE MANNEQUIN SABBATH.
THE COMMUNITY VISION FOR THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE CORE FOCUSES ON SMALLER SCALE DEVELOPMENT, PROMOTING LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND PRESERVING OPEN SPACE.
IT MAKES SENSE TO ENHANCE MOBILITY STREETS SCAPES HAVE SLOWER SPEED LIMITS AND MAKE IT SAFER ACROSS BROAD STREET WITHIN THE CORE VILLAGE AREA.
WE ALSO SEE BENEFITS OF CONCENTRATING LARGER SCALE DEVELOPMENT EAST OF ROUTE 2 88 IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND LIMITING LODGING, HOTELS, MOTELS, AND OTHER AUTOCENTRIC B THREE USES TO MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
HOWEVER, THE PROPOSAL AND USE MAP AND LONG-TERM VISION SHOWN ON PACKET PAGE 23 DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THIS WELL-DOCUMENTED COMMUNITY VISION.
INSTEAD, THE PROPOSED LAND USE MAP THAT WAS FIRST PRESENTED ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS AGO, MORE THAN DOUBLES THE SIZE OF THE VILLAGE CORE.
IT ALSO PROPOSES EXTENSIVE BUILD OUT OF LARGE SCALE URBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE HENRICO LINE AND EXTENDING BEYOND MANNEQUIN ROAD.
THE PROPOSED PLAN ELIMINATES RECREATIONAL AREAS AND DOES NOT CONSIDER IMPORTANT PLANNING ASSUMPTIONS.
TONIGHT WE'RE ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE PROPOSED PLAN THAT RELATE TO SPECIFIC SECTIONS OF THE LAND USE MAP AND DESCRIPTIONS.
TO SUMMARIZE ON THE ONE PAGE HANDOUT THAT ASHLEY JUST PASSED OUT, YOU HAVE SEEN THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED LETTERS, JONATHAN SHARED, UH, SOME IMPORTANT INSIGHT ABOUT NOT EXCEEDING COUNTY RESOURCES AND EMPHASIZED THAT COMMUNITY NEEDS SHOULD DRIVE THESE LAND USE DECISIONS.
MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RAISED SIMILAR INQUIRIES AT THE JUNE 15TH JOINT WORK SESSION.
UNFORTUNATELY, STAFFED DODGE DRAW QUESTIONS WITH INCOMPLETE AND MISLEADING INFORMATION.
THE PROPOSED VILLAGE CORE AND MIXED USE EXPANSION IS NOT THOUGHTFUL, TRANSPARENT, OR RESPONSIVE
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TO COMMUNITY NEEDS AND INPUT.PLEASE RETAIN THE VILLAGE CORE'S, WESTERN AND NORTHERN BOUNDARIES AS CURRENTLY SHOWN IN THE 2035 COMP PLAN AND DO NOT EXPAND THE VILLAGE CORE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS.
WEST AND NORTH OF MANNEQUIN ROAD CONSULTANTS HIGHLIGHTED THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING OPEN SPACE AND PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
PACKET PAGE 22 RECOMMENDS THAT STEPS SHOULD BE TAKEN TO ENHANCE PUBLIC A ACCESS TO RECREATION.
YET THE PROPOSED LAND USE MAP ON PAGE PACKET 23 CONTRADICTS THIS RECOMMENDATION BY CHANGING THE SYCAMORE CREEK GOLF COURSE TO MIXED USE.
YOU HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT THE SYCAMORE CREEK, UH, IS A WELL-ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD OF LARGE LOTS IN PRIVATE WELLS AND SEPTIC.
THE ADJOINING 51 ACRE GOLF COURSE PARCEL THAT SURROUNDS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES BEING PROPOSED FOR MIXED USE IS NOT PART OF THE TUCK HILL CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
NOR DOES THE PROPOSED MIXED USE CONSIDER TOPOGRAPHY CHALLENGES, FLOODPLAINS, SEPTIC EASEMENTS, AND NATURAL BUFFERS, BUFFERS THAT PROTECT PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS.
PLEASE RETAIN THE SYCAMORE CREEK GOLF COURSE LAND USE DESIGNATION AS RECREATIONAL OPEN SPACE AND RETAIN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE TWO PARCELS ACROSS FROM THE ENTRANCE OF SYCAMORE CREEK DRIVE.
AS CURRENTLY SHOWN IN THE 2035 COMP PLAN, ROB PROVIDED AN EXCELLENT RECAP OF HOW THE PROPOSED FOUR DRAWING PER ACRE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATIONS OPENS UP A PANDORA'S BOX OF ISSUES, INCLUDING PROVIDING AN EYE-OPENING EXAMPLE OF HOW THE PROPOSED DESIGNATIONS FOR TUCKAHOE CREEK TUCKAHOE BRIDGE NORTH AND THE ADJOINING 136 ACRE PROPERTY COULD TURN INTO 740 NEW HOMES.
PLEASE RETAIN THE SINGLE FAMILY LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE TUCKAHOE BRIDGE NORTH AND FOR ADJOINING PARCELS AS CURRENTLY SHOWN IN THE 2035 COMP PLAN.
LARRY'S GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT A NUMBER OF IMPORTANT SAFETY CONCERNS, AND LINDA JUST EXPLAINED ABOUT HOW ZONING ORDINANCES ARE THE IMPLEMENTATION TOOL FOR LAND USES UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE NEGATIVE OUTCOMES ARE NUMEROUS.
IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE ZONING AREAS COULD EVENTUALLY LOOK LIKE, WE RISK DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS ON OUR COMMUNITY.
FOR INSTANCE, A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT WENT INTO OUR CURRENT M P U D AND OUR P U D MODELS.
NO USES ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT USES AND DESIGNS ARE DEFINED IN THE P U D MASTER PLAN.
IT'S CONCERNING THAT THE PROPOSED PLAN RECOMMENDS THAT EXISTING P U D DISTRICTS UPDATED TO REDUCE MINIMUM ACREAGE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
PLEASE REMOVE THE USE AND DENSITY HEIGHTS, BUILDING MASSING SETBACKS, AND PARKING DESCRIPTIONS FROM THE SMALL AREA PLAN.
THESE DESCRIPTIONS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN ZONING ORDINANCES, NOT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOCUMENT.
IN SUMMARY, CONSULTANTS HAVE UNDERSCORED THE IMPORTANCE OF PLACEMAKING, BUT PLACEMAKING IS NOT ABOUT BENCHES, FENCES AND FOUNTAINS.
PLACEMAKING IS ABOUT OUR IDENTITIES AND VALUES.
IT'S ABOUT BALANCED GROWTH AND CONSERVATION.
PLACEMAKING IS ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FUTURE DECISIONMAKING ADOPT.
OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD INCREASE COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND LEAD TO MORE SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY-CENTERED DEVELOPMENT.
IT'LL ALSO IMPROVE LEVELS OF CONFIDENCE AND TRUST THAT HAVE ERODED DURING THIS PLANNING PROCESS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
I LIVE AT 1 2 6 6 9 FAWN LANE.
BELLEVUE GARDENS THE TARGET OF THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN YOU COME ACROSS THAT LINE PAST 2 88, NO ONE'S SPOKEN OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU KNOW HOW VALUABLE OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS.
SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HERE TONIGHT ARE LITERALLY SOME OF THE BEST NEIGHBORS YOU COULD EVER HAVE.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD RANGES IN VALUE FROM 350,000 TO WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY'S PAID A DIME WORTH OF ATTENTION.
YOU'VE GOT NEW ROWS GOING TO THE RIGHT.
YOU'VE GOT RED NEW ROADS GOING TO THE LEFT.
YOU'VE GOT 'EM COMING FROM EVERY WHICH WAY IN THIS BUFFER ZONE THAT YOU'VE CREATED AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
LOOKS TO ME LIKE LESS DISTANCE THAN IT IS BETWEEN YOU AND I AND I.
YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE TRAFFIC GOING ZINGING PAST YOUR BACK DOOR, AROUND YOUR SIDES.
WE ASKED NUMBER ONE TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF ROADS YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE.
SOMEONE ELSE SPOKE OF THAT EARLIER.
NO ONE'S MADE MENTION OF GETTING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO GET A CURRENT STUDY OF THE TRAFFIC, AS WELL AS TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE NOISE LEVEL.
ARE THEY GONNA HAVE THOSE NOISE BUFFER PANELS THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT UP THERE WITH 2 88? YOU TAKE DOWN MORE OF THE TREES, YOU GET MORE OF THE NOISE.
IF YOU GET OFF A 2 88 AND YOU START TO LOOK TO YOUR RIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA FIND SHORT PUMP AND EVERYTHING THAT SHORT PUMP BRINGS THAT CAME WITH THAT EARLIER PICTURE.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? WOULDN'T YOU LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE A COMMUNITY CENTER, A LIBRARY,
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A PARK? NOBODY'S TALKED ABOUT MAKING THE FIRST STATEMENT ABOUT GLIN RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS THE FIRST THING YOU SEE, NOT A BUNCH OF CAR DEALERSHIPS AND FAST FOOD JOINTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WILL CREATE ALL THE PROBLEMS WE'VE SPOKEN OF.BUT BELIEVE ME, BELLEVUE GARDENS HAS THE RIGHT NAME.
I AM MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
I LIVE AT 1530 OAK GROVE DRIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF OAK GROVE ESTATES.
AND I'M HERE WITH, UH, LOTS, LOTS OF MY NEIGHBORS, UH, TO COMMENT SPECIFICALLY ON THE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF OAK GROVE.
WE ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF, UH, 10 HOMES LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF BROAD STREET, RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF CENTERVILLE.
JONATHAN LYLE EARLIER HAD A PICTURE OF THE SHELL STATION.
Y'ALL MIGHT REMEMBER THAT WE ARE RIGHT BEHIND THERE.
THE, UH, AND WE WERE CHARTERED IN 1986.
WE'VE BEEN THERE QUITE A WHILE.
THE GROUP OF US THIS EVENING WANT TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE IMPACT OF THE VILLAGE PLAN ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YOU WILL SEE ON YOUR SCREEN UP THERE THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU, UH, WITH SIGNATURES OF MANY, MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
YOU ALSO HAVE A HANDOUT AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT'S IN THERE.
UH, IT'S THE, IT'S THIS MOTION ITSELF IS THE COVER.
THEN WE HAVE THE RED LINE, UH, A RED LINE MARKUP OF PAGES NINE AND 12.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A SUMMARY DOCUMENT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING THE ARGUMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, UH, PROPOSAL.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE SEVEN LETTERS, UH, VERY INTERESTED EFFORT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO, TO GET SOME ACTION.
AND SO WE, YOU'LL SEE SEVEN LETTERS IN THE EMAILS AND LETTERS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS VERY SUBJECT.
NOW, THE MOTION ITSELF, I'LL JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT IT.
I'M NOT GONNA READ THAT TO YOU.
IT DEALS WITH, UH, THREE TOPICS THAT IMPACT OAK GROVE ESTATES.
ONE IS THE COLLECTOR CORRECTOR ROAD, I THINK, UH, SADDLE CREEK EARLIER MENTIONED THE SAME CONCERN THAT WE HAVE.
AND THE THE SECOND IS THE GREENWAY THAT'S PROPOSED AND, AND THE THIRD RELATES TO A LACK OF A BUFFER BETWEEN US AND, UH, BROAD STREET.
SO I WANTED TO, UH, STOP HERE AND LET A COUPLE OF MY FOLKS SPEAK.
I LIVE AT OAK GROVE ESTATES AS WELL.
AND I'M GONNA SEED MY THREE MINUTES TO CARLY NINO.
I LIVE AT 1510 OAK GROVE DRIVE.
UM, AND I DIDN'T ASK FOR EXTRA TIME, BUT I'VE BEEN GRANTED IT.
SO LET'S SEE WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH HERE.
UM, A LOT OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT BY OTHERS ARE SOME OF THE SAME THINGS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
UM, WHAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS MOST CONCERNED WITH OFF THE BAT IS THE PROPOSED GREENWAY THAT RUNS, UM, BETWEEN HOCKET TO HERMITAGE.
I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY HAS THOUGHT THROUGH THIS, BUT THAT PROPOSED GREENWAY IS ENTIRELY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, IT RUNS ALONG ABOUT A QUARTER MILE OF MY PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY.
UM, IT RUNS ALONG THE BEHIND THE PARK AT CENTERVILLE.
AND SOME OF THE EMAILS AND LETTERS THAT WAYNE, UH, MENTIONED ARE FROM OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT ALSO RUNS ALONG BEHIND CAROL'S PROPERTY, WHO HAS A HORSE FARM THERE, UM, AND OTHER PROPERTIES OVER LIKE TO, UM, GAINES, THRIFTY LANE.
AND WE WENT THIS WEEKEND CANVASSING AROUND AND TALKED TO EVERYBODY, AND EVERYBODY WE COULD GET AHOLD OF IS ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO A PATH ACROSS THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I THINK, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF VALID POINTS AND CONCERNS BEING MADE ABOUT THE PLAN, BUT AS FAR AS I'M AWARE AND THAT I CAN TELL, THIS IS THE ONLY PART OF THE PLAN THAT INTENDS TO ENCROACH ENTIRELY UPON PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THOSE LANDOWNERS.
UM, I KNOW THAT THIS PLAN IS, UH, HYPOTHETICAL, BUT A HYPOTHESIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TESTED.
UM, SO REALLY THIS GREENWAY IS NOT HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE NONE OF US AGREE TO IT.
NO ONE WHO HAS A PRIVATE PROPERTY ALONG THAT GREENWAY, UM, WANTS THAT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
AND IT TRULY IS IN OUR BACKYARD.
YOU CAN SEE OUR HOUSES, YOU CAN SEE OUR PORCHES, UM, FROM THAT GREENWAY.
SO IF IT WEREN'T PRIVATE PROPERTY AND YOU COULD WALK IT ENTIRELY, YOU WOULD JUST FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TRESPASSING BECAUSE YOU WELL, RIGHT NOW ARE.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT REMOVED EVEN FROM THIS HYPOTHETICAL PLAN BECAUSE IT, THIS IS A PUBLIC PLAN AND IT LOOKS LIKE A PERMISSION TO COME ONTO THOSE PROPERTIES.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE REASONS WHY WE WOULDN'T WANNA PUBLIC PATH ABUTTING OUR PROPERTY ARE FAIRLY CLEAR.
BUT, UM, PRIVACY BEING ONE, SAFETY
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NOISE, UM, LEGAL LIABILITY.I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN, NO MATTER HOW MUCH INSURANCE AND HOW MUCH INDEMNIFICATION THE COUNTY WANTED TO TRY AND GIVE YOU, UH, YOU'RE GONNA GET WRANGLED IN SOME LAWSUITS WHEN A CHILD WANDERS ONTO YOUR PROPERTY AND HOPS ONTO YOUR BACKHOE OR INTO YOUR POOL.
PEOPLE WITH PETS ARE GONNA BE ON THE PATH.
YOU KNOW, TEENAGERS ARE GONNA RIDE ATVS THROUGH THERE.
I JUST SEE A LOT OF LEGAL RISK AND WE HAVE LARGE PROPERTIES, OUR PROPERTIES 10 ACRES, AND THE PATH RUNS REALLY ABOUT A QUARTER MILE, THE PROPOSED PATH.
UM, THERE WOULD BE NO REAL WAY WE COULD FENCE THAT OR OTHERWISE SECTION OFF OUR PROPERTY, NOR COULD ANY OF OUR OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO ARE HERE.
UM, I HAVE, I THINK THAT WAYNE HAS INCLUDED 'EM.
I'LL JUST READ THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UM, CONTACTED ME OR SPOKEN WITH ME, UH, ALSO AGAINST THE GREENWAY, UM, CAROL AND FRANK STRAUSS AT THREE 50 POND VIEW LANE, LET'S SEE, ART AND GALE ROYALS AT 1651.
CENTERVILLE PARK LANE THOMAS AND DIANE GILBRIDE AT 1643.
DOUG AND RENEE HUDSON AT 1631 CENTERVILLE PARK LANE, JOE VILSACK AND MEGAN MCKENZIE AT 1645 CENTERVILLE PARK LANE.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS JUST FROM ONE WEEKEND OF US GOING OUT TRYING TO GET PEOPLE'S EYES ON THIS, AND EVERYONE WE SPOKE TO DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS WAS ON ANY PLAN ANYWHERE, UM, WERE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO IT.
AND, UM, IN ADDITION TO WETLANDS SAFETY CONCERNS, UM, LEGAL CONCERNS, THERE WAS ALSO, UM, MANY PEOPLE AT CENTERVILLE PARK SAID, EAGLE PROMISE, THERE COULD NEVER BE ANY DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT BEHIND US BECAUSE IT'S WETLANDS.
UM, AND IT IS A, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE A PROTECTED AREA FOR WILDLIFE.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC PATH, WHICH I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE REMOVED, EVEN FROM WHAT, UM, IS ALWAYS WE'RE REMINDED TO BE A HYPOTHETICAL, UM, YOU KNOW, 30,000 FOOT VIEW DOCUMENT.
UM, OUR OTHER TWO CONCERNS WERE THE COLLECTOR STREET.
THIS WOULD REALLY AFFECT OUR STREET.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A DIRECT DEEDED EASEMENT TO BROAD STREET, WHICH WE DON'T INTEND TO, TO SEED.
AND IT WOULD JUST CREATE PEOPLE COMING OFF OF BROAD STREET TO TRY AND ZOOM THROUGH AND BEAT AND BEAT LIGHTS.
AND IT WOULD CREATE A SAFETY RISK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ALSO, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE BUFFER, THE PROPERTIES THAT ABUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT ARE NOW, UM, BEING PROPOSED TO BE MIXED USE CORE ARE CURRENTLY AGRICULTURAL AND HAVE BEEN.
SO THAT'S A HUGE JUMP, AND WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT THE TWO PARCELS THAT ABUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD REMAIN AGRICULTURAL.
HELLO, MY NAME IS KYLIE MCGINNIS.
I JUST WANNA STICK WITH THE GROUP.
UM, YOU HEARD FROM MY NEIGHBORS.
WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR MANY, MANY TIMES.
UM, I CAN COLLECTIVELY SAY THAT, I MEAN, 90% OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM ALL HAVE BEEN VOICING THEIR SAME CONCERNS EACH TIME.
UM, I TRULY DO FEEL AS THOUGH I'VE BEEN UP HERE BEFORE AND YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE THINGS WE WANT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO LISTEN TO ALL OF US AT THE SAME TIME AND TO DO AND MAKE EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAPPY.
BUT THE SAME THINGS ARE BEING BROUGHT UP EACH AND EVERY TIME.
UM, WE SHOULD ASK THAT YOU LISTEN.
WE DO DEFER THIS PLAN AND WE, YOU KNOW, THE GREENWAY, LIKE I HAVE YOUNG KIDS.
UH, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS FILLED WITH YOUNG KIDS.
YOU KNOW, THEIR SAFETY IS MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
THE SAFETY OF, UM, THE OTHER GENTLEMAN'S AND THE WOMEN WHO ARE SPEAKING THEIR KIDS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE MY DATA IN FRONT OF YOU TO PRESENT.
I HAVE MY NEIGHBORS TO DO THAT.
I'M THE MORE EMOTIONALITY, UM, HAD A ROUGH WEEK.
AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO HEAR THAT OUR VOICES ARE ACTUALLY BEING HEARD, OUR KIDS AND OUR FUTURES IN THIS COUNTY.
THE CONCERNS THAT WE VOICE ARE BEING LISTENED TO AND BEING TAKEN ACCOUNTED FOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY.
JUST PLEASE LISTEN TO US AND MAKE CHOICES AND DECISIONS BASED ON OUR NEEDS AND NOT THE EGO OF OUR COUNTY.
UH, GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M AT 1991 MANNEQUIN ROAD, WHICH IS SYCAMORE CREEK GOLF COURSE.
UH, I'M GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN EVERYTHING YOU'VE HEARD THIS EVENING.
UH, I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT IN SUPPORT OF THE PLAN THAT, UH, HAS BEEN PRESENTED.
WHEN WE BUILT SYCAMORE CREEK 33 YEARS AGO, THE COUNTY KNEW, AND WE KNEW THAT THE GOLF COURSE WOULD NEVER LAST FOREVER.
IT'S INEV INEVITABLE THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE GOLF COURSE
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WILL BE GONE.ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NO PLANS WHATSOEVER OF DOING ANYTHING WITH THE GOLF COURSE AT THIS TIME, THIS PLAN GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY IF THAT SHOULD ARISE DOWN THE ROAD OF AN OPTION THAT WE CAN TAKE.
UH, WHEN WE BUILT THE GOLF COURSE, WE MADE A, A COMMITMENT TO THE COUNTY THAT ONCE HOUSES WERE BUILT ON THE WEST SIDE OF MANNEQUIN ROAD, THAT WE WOULD NEVER SELL THAT 51 ACRES TO BE DEVELOPED.
UH, OUR COMMITMENT STILL STANDS ON THAT TODAY.
AND WHAT WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF DOING IS IF THE DAY COMES WHEN THE GOLF COURSE IS NO LONGER THERE AND THAT PROPERTY IS SOLD, WE WOULD LIKE TO DONATE THE 50 ACRES TO THE COUNTY TO MAKE A PARK, MAKE TRAILS, WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU DEEM NECESSARY TO PRESERVE, UH, THE HOMES THAT ARE AROUND THAT GOLF COURSE.
SO THAT, UH, I MEAN, I I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IF I HAD A HOUSE THERE AND IT WAS ON A GOLF COURSE, I WOULDN'T WANT DEVELOPMENT GOING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF A FAIRWAY IN MY BACKYARD.
UM, SO WITH THE THOUGHT OF HARMING THOSE PEOPLE, UH, AS I SAID, WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION TO DONATE ALL THAT LAND TO THE COUNTY.
AND, UH, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT SYCAMORE CREEK.
THEY WANT SYCAMORE CREEK TO BE THERE, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
WE ENJOY, UH, THE PUBLIC LOVING OUR, OUR GOLF COURSE.
BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE, THE FINANCIAL NEEDS OF KEEPING THAT GOLF COURSE GOING WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE MET BY US.
AND THERE'LL HAVE TO BE AN OPTION FOR THAT GOLF COURSE.
AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS PLAN IS ACCEPTED TO GIVE US THAT OPPORTUNITY DOWN THE ROAD TO DO, UH, SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
HELLO, MY NAME IS LARRY BARKER.
I LIVE AT 2170 MANNEQUIN ROAD OF STONES THROW FROM ALL THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AS I WAS READING THROUGH MATERIAL I RECEIVED AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING REGARDING TO CHANGES TO CENTERVILLE VILLAGE, SMALL AREA PLAN THREE SENTENCES CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.
JONATHAN TOUCHED ON ONE IS ABOUT THE 2035 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ENSURING THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT EXCEED THE COUNTY'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE NEEDED SERVICES.
I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE FIRE RESCUE SINCE I'VE WALKED THAT WALK.
AND I, I KNOW THE NEEDED SERVICES AND HOW IT AFFECTS THE WHOLE COUNTY.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO FIRE RESCUE STATIONS IN THE EAST END OF THE COUNTIES.
BETWEEN 2017 AND 2022, COMPANY ONE SAW AN INCREASE OF 68% IN CALL VOLUME IN 2022 ALONE, 262 TIMES.
OTHER COMPANIES HAD TO, UH, GO INTO COMPANY ONE'S TERRITORY TO COVER COMPANY ONE'S CALL OR ASSIST IN A CALL, WHICH MEANS THAT THE COUNTY, THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, WHEREVER THAT CAME FROM, IS WITHOUT A A UNIT.
UM, DURING THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME OF 2017 TO 2022, COMPANY THREE SAW A 55% INCREASE IN CALL VOLUME.
SAME THING, ANOTHER COMPANY HAD TO COME IN AND RESPOND WITH COMPANY THREE OR TAKE COMPANY THREE'S CALL, WHICH MEANS, AGAIN, THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY IS LOSING THEIR UNIT.
UH, CURRENTLY THERE IS A MINIMUM OF TWO PERSON PAID CREW AT EACH STATION WITH SOMETIMES A VOLUNTEER WHICH MAKES THREE, TWO IS A MINIMUM CREW TO GET ANY APPARAT APPARATUS AT THE STATION.
EACH STATION CAN ONLY ONE RUN ONE CALL AT A TIME.
SO IF THE CALL COMES IN AND ANOTHER CALL COMES IN, THEN ANOTHER STATION'S GOTTA COVER THAT CALL.
IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION ON ROCKVILLE ROAD, INCLUDING TUCKO BRIDGE AND LAND TO THE WEST, MIXED USE CORE WEST OF MANNEQUIN ROAD, UH, MIXED USE CORE OF SYCAMORE CREEK GOLF COURSE COMES TO FRUITION, THEN CURRENT FIRE RESCUE CAPACITY, INCLUDING PROPOSED NEW FIRE STATION AT WEST CREEK, WILL NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE PROJECTED DEMAND.
THE CURRENT FIRE RESCUE CURRENT PLANS DEAL WITH DEVELOPMENT ALREADY IN PLACE OR APPROVED AND NOT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE.
NOT APPROVED NEW PLANNING AND NEW FIRE RESCUE STATIONS WILL NEED TO BE ADDED TO, TO NOTE, THERE'S TWO ENTITIES IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY THAT, UH, SHELTER IN ARMS AND EVERY POINT THAT ARE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT ARE GONNA GENERATE SEVEN 50 CALLS A YEAR.
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SO, UM, AND PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE, THIS GENTLEMAN JUST TALKED ABOUT THE 51 ACRES ON THE SIDE OF, BEHIND THE SIDE OF THE WEIGHT.SO I DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THAT.
BUT, UM, THE DEVELOPING THE PACE OF DEVELOPING THE DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT AFFECTS EVERYBODY.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY LIVES THAT LIVES IN GOODS AND DEPENDS ON FIRE RESCUE WHEN THEY CALL A NINE ONE ONE CALL.
SO I'M, I'M I'M ASKING THAT THE, THE DENSITY BE THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED BE ACCEPTED AND THAT THE DENSITY BE KEPT AT THE ONE ACRE PER HOUSE INSTEAD OF THE TWO TO FOUR ACRES PER HOUSE.
AND THAT SYCAMORE CREEK GOLF COURSE I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.
I ALWAYS KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AT SOME POINT IN TIME DEVELOPED, BUT IT ALSO, THE DENSITY OF IT IS GOING TO ADD TO THE FIRE RESCUE SITUATION.
MY NAME IS ROBERT PRATT, 1991 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
I'M ALSO PART OF SYCAMORE CREEK GOLF COURSE.
AND WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS 32 YEARS, ALMOST 33 YEARS THERE.
AND WE HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH COMING TOWARDS US AND THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT THE STAFF PUT INTO THIS, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE, AND AS JOHN SAID, MR. RICHIE, GOLF COURSES DON'T LAST FOREVER.
AND US GIVING THE 50 ACRES ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF MANNEQUIN ROAD AS A PARK TO THE COUNTY WOULD BE OUR GIFT.
AND, UH, I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR LISTENING AND THANK STAFF FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE BECAUSE I, WE TOTALLY, I TOTALLY ENDORSE THE COMP PLAN AS IT'S BEEN STATED.
I'M NOT GONNA READ MY WHOLE LIST.
I'M AT 1346 HOUNDS LOW DRIVE, AND I APPRECIATE THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, UH, PROVIDING SOME BACKGROUND.
UM, WHAT MY CONCERN IS, AND I'VE GOT A LONGER LIST, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GO OVER ALL THAT, UH, 'CAUSE A LOT OF IT'S ALREADY BEEN HIT.
BUT, UH, THAT THE PLAN IS, IS SET FORTH AS A MODEL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
AND ONE WOULD EXPECT THAT FUTURE, FUTURE ORDINANCES WILL BE, UH, BUILT WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK.
SO, UM, THE CONCERN IS THAT THIS WILL BECOME, AS SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER, THE NEW OUTSIDE BOUNDARIES FOR WHAT MIGHT BE EXPECTED IN DEVELOPMENT.
SO AS OPPOSED TO BEING RESTRICTIVE, THEY'RE GONNA BE OPENING UP, UH, THE FLOODGATES, UH, MORE SO THAN WE WOULD EXPECT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED EXCEPT ONCE TONIGHT, AND I SEE WE MIGHT HAVE A SPEAKER ON THAT, IS WE ALREADY HAVE MANNEQUIN TOWN APPROVED AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED.
UM, WHAT IMPACT DOES THIS NEW PROPOSED PLAN HAVE ON THAT DEVELOPMENT? WILL THAT BE RESUBMITTED NOW AS ANOTHER, UH, TO EXPAND IT FURTHER THAN IT MIGHT'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE EXPANDED BEFORE? UH, OR, UH, SOMETHING ELSE? SO, UH, THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF SADDLE CREEK PARKWAY TO HOCKETT ROAD.
UM, THAT, UH, WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED WOULD HAPPEN AT SOME POINT.
ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE PLAN IT TALKS ABOUT, THOUGH, IS THAT DEVELOPMENT ALONG THOSE, UH, TYPES OF ROADS, IF IT'S, UH, COMMERCIAL WOULD BE WITH NO BUFFERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WOULD I EXPECT TO HAVE THAT ROAD EXTENDED WITH A SHOP SITTING UP NEXT TO IT SINCE THAT HAS A SIDEWALK ON THAT PARTICULAR SIDE OF THE ROAD OR NOT? AND AGAIN, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WE CONCERN ABOUT THE, UH, TURNING IT INTO A THOROUGHFARE.
IT'S NOT ANYTHING LIKE THE PLAZA DRIVE AREA, WHICH IS ALL COMMERCIAL.
UH, THERE'S VERY LITTLE FOOT TRAFFIC OVER THERE, BUT AS A LADY TALKED FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING, UH, AND PETS AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT WAS, UH, REALLY A FEW COMMENTS.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO ANY, I'LL JUST EMAIL IT IN.
GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
I LIVE AT 4 41 RIVER GATE DRIVE
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IN RICHMOND.GUTEN, UH, JUST WANNA MAKE A, A SMALL STATEMENT.
UM, I AND MY INVESTORS SUPPORT THE CENTERVILLE PLAN AS YOU LAID IT OUT.
I KNOW I'M IN A TOUGH SITUATION WITH ALL THE RESIDENTS HERE, NOT, UH, NOT LIKING THE PLAN.
UM, I, WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY 10 ACRES, UM, UH, RIGHT BEHIND
SO I COULD, I COULD DEVELOP THAT BY RIGHT.
UH, BUT I THINK THIS NEW PLAN WOULD, WOULD MAKE IT BETTER, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, UH, TO THE, UH, TO THE PLAN.
UM, EVERY TIME WE LOOK TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, UM, THE MARKET CAME BACK AND SAID, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH ROOFTOPS.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE LIVING HERE TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES.
SO I THINK THIS PROVIDES, THIS NEW PLAN PROVIDES THAT, WHICH WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UH, SO ONCE AGAIN, I SUPPORT THE PLAN AND, UH, AND I THANK THE COUNTY FOR, UH, GETTING ALL THE CONSULTANTS AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE PLANNING FOLKS INVOLVED AND PUTTING, PUTTING A, A GOOD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I LIVE AT 1505 MANNEQUIN ROAD, AND I ALSO WORK IN CENTERVILLE.
AND I'VE ALSO PARTICIPATED IN MANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THESE PEOPLE LIVE IN, UM, INCLUDING THE PARK AT SADDLE CREEK AND THE PARK AT MANNEQUIN AND READER'S BRANCH AND A FEW OTHERS.
AND, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WHAT WAS KEY WAS, UM, WE HAD A COMP PLAN AND WE HAD COMMUNICATION, AND WE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
AND I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE SPEAKING, WELL, WHAT IF THIS HAPPENS? WHAT IF THAT HAPPENS? AND WHAT WAS REALLY COOL IS I HEARD MY SAY, WELL, WE'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU GUYS A PARK.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE COMMUNICATION.
SO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ACTUALLY OWN PROPERTY, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN CENTERVILLE, SOUTH ABROAD, AND A FEW OTHERS WHO'VE SPOKEN NORTH ABROAD, SUPPORT THE PLAN.
THIS IS A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
IT'S A PLAN THAT WOULD PROBABLY ACCOMMODATE AN AMAZON OR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING IN THE FUTURE TO BE NEAR AN AMAZON.
THIS PLAN DOESN'T REZONE PROPERTY, IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYONE'S PROPERTY, BUT ALLOWS US TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND DISCUSS AND BRING PEOPLE IN FOR BETTER DEVELOPMENTS.
OUR ORDINANCE, OUR ORDINANCES FOR ZONING ARE VERY OLD, AND THEY DO NOT EXIST ABOVE TWO AND A HALF UNITS TO THE ACRE AND M P U D.
AND THIS WILL REQUIRE ORDINANCES TO BE CREATED.
AND THEN THERE IS A SEVEN PART PROCESS THAT TIMON BROUGHT UP THAT WILL REQUIRE A PRE-APP, A PUBLIC MEETING, AN APPLICATION, A TRAFFIC STUDY, AND A LOT MORE VETTING.
BUT BEFORE THAT, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE BUFFERS.
YOU MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND YOU PROVIDE BUFFERS.
SO OAK GROVE, WE'LL MEET WITH YOU, WE'LL TALK TO YOU AND WE'LL DISCUSS BUFFERS, SADDLE CREEK, WE'LL TALK TO YOU.
BUT CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY.
WE JUST WANT TO GET THIS PLAN PUT FORWARD, AND WE WANT TO BE A PROGRESSIVE COUNTY THAT CAN ACCEPT PROGRESSIVE TYPE OF OPPORTUNITIES.
AND WE ALSO WANT TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME OUT HERE LIKE WE'VE ALLOWED EVERYONE ELSE TO COME.
I'M, UH, I'M DAVE HARDAWAY FROM OUT IN GUMP SPRINGS, BUT I GREW UP ON ROCKVILLE ROAD.
UH, I GOT FAMILY ON ROCKVILLE ROAD.
I HAD FRIENDS ON ROCKVILLE ROAD, AND THE ONLY THING I HEARD WAS ABOUT, UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM PRUITTS TO 750 UNITS THEY WERE GONNA PUT IN.
UH, AND THEY GONNA BE COMING OUT ON ROCKVILLE ROAD.
AND ROCKVILLE ROAD IS A VERY, VERY NARROW ROAD, UH, AND IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, A LOT MORE TRAFFIC, A LOT MORE ACCIDENTS, FATAL ACCIDENTS, UH, THAT ROAD.
YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW VDOT, THEY DON'T ACT UNTIL SO MANY DEATHS ON THE ROAD.
I SAY, WELL, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT.
THEY SHOULD BE PLANNING IT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.
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SHOULD PLAN THINGS OUT A LITTLE BETTER.I THINK, UH, WEST CREEK WAS WELL PLANNED.
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A 30 YEAR PLAN IN GSOM COUNTY? AND I MEAN, WHAT I SEE IS THE DOG CHASING HIS TAIL.
YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL SAYING, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY, WE DON'T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO, UH, EDUCATE THESE KIDS.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMES IN AND SAY, WELL, WE'LL BRING MORE RESIDENTS IN AND WE'LL BRING IN MORE REVENUE FOR THE SCHOOL.
AND THEN THE SCHOOL GETS BIGGER AND ASKS FOR MORE MONEY.
AND IT'S, IT'S A DOG CHASING HIS TAIL AND THERE'S NO PLAN.
YOU'RE JUST CHASING YOUR TAIL.
SO I THINK WE ARE LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, UH, MAYBE 30 YEARS FUTURE AND SEE WHERE WE, WHERE ARE WE TRYING TO GO? AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
MR. HARDAWAY, CAN I GET YOUR ADDRESS? IT'S, UH, 35 30 CROSS STREET ROAD.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? HI, PATRICK GREGORY, 1903 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
I'D LIKE TO VOICE SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED PLAN.
UH, THREE THINGS ABOUT IT IN PARTICULAR.
I LIKE, I THINK THE FIVE LAND USE CATEGORIES RESPECTS THE COMMUNITY'S DISTINCT NEEDS, BUT NOT SO MANY IS TO CREATE FRAGMENTATION.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF A PROPOSED CORRIDOR, SPECIFICALLY THE SAME USES ON NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF BROAD STREET.
IT PRESERVES THE SPIRIT OF THE EXISTING COMP PLAN AND CONTAINS COMMERCIAL USES.
AND FINALLY, THE PROPERTIES THAT BORDER DIFFERENT USES, THEY CLEARLY NEED RECOGNITION AND SPECIAL TREATMENT.
AND THE PROPOSED PLAN, ALONG WITH THE P O D PROCESS, ALLOWS ROOM FOR FLEXIBILITY AND ENSURES THAT THE VOICES OF THOSE SENSITIVE PROPERTIES ARE HEARD.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? I KNEW I'D GET SOMEBODY
UH, MY NAME IS STEVEN SHORROCK.
I LIVE AT 12 2 0 1 BREMNER RIDGE CIRCLE.
AND UH, I'M OPPOSED TO THE APPROVAL OF THE PLAN.
LAST TIME I SPOKE TO YOU, I SPOKE ABOUT THE ROADS, NEIGHBORHOODS, AND PARKS.
IN FACT, MOST OF WHAT I GOT TO SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID BY SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE HERE.
READERS BRANCH IN THE PARK AT CENTERVILLE DO NOT WANT THE PATH.
YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD QUITE A BIT FROM OAK GROVE.
WE AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY SAID PRETTY MUCH SO I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR THAT.
UM, THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID FOR BELLEVUE GARDENS.
I, AGAIN, I SPOKE ABOUT THAT LAST TIME.
I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA SPEAK ABOUT THAT AND THEY STILL MAY COME UP HERE, BUT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEING TOTALLY BRACKETED BY COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
AND WHEN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CREATED, IT WAS ALL THOUGHT TO BE AGRICULTURE.
THIS IS WAY BEFORE THE 2015 PLAN WAS EVER PUT IN PLACE.
UM, AGAIN, SO MUCH TO SKIP OVER.
UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, IN PARTICULAR, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ROCKVILLE ROAD AND YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT THE 740 HOUSES THERE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE AREA.
WHAT WE NEED IS A PHASED PLAN.
THIS IS TOO MUCH, TOO MUCH DENSITY.
YOU'VE JUST HEARD, UH, TWO GENTLEMEN AGO TALK ABOUT, UM, HOW DANGEROUS ROCKVILLE ROAD IS.
WE DON'T NEED GUARANTEED GRIDLOCK.
HOW ARE Y'ALL THIS EVENING? MY NAME'S ADAM MCINERNEY.
I LIVE AT 12 6 60 PAMELA LANE.
UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE FAIRLY WELL GRIDLOCKED IN AND BASICALLY EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THIS PLAN.
UM, AND I REALIZE AT THIS POINT THERE'S REALLY NO GOING BACK.
AT SOME POINT, COMMERCIALS COMING TO ME THAT, AND IT IS WHAT IT IS, UH, COMING DOWN THREE CHOPPED ROAD.
YOU KNOW, I WALK MY DOG THERE FOR, I DON'T KNOW, THE LAST SEVEN YEARS UNTIL HE PASSED LAST YEAR.
IT'S 90 ACRES OF NOTHING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FIELD.
THERE ARE THREE HOUSES ON ONE SIDE, FIVE ON THE OTHER.
AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO STAY THAT WAY FOR FOREVER.
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I AM NOT OBLIVIOUS TO THAT FACT.UM, BUT WE LOOK AT THE GROWTH OF THIS AREA, THE CENTERVILLE PLAN IS A LOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD SOMEBODY FROM, UH, FROM CENTERVILLE FIRE RESCUE COME UP.
I DO THE SAME THING FOR HANOVER.
WE ACTUALLY RESPOND INTO YOUR COUNTY ON THE REGULAR.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO, WELL, YOU HAVE TOO MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE TO KEEP UP WITH THE, THE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED.
IT WILL BE THAT WAY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UM, I'M 15, 18 YEARS IN NOW TO MY COUNTY.
AND WE ARE NO FURTHER AHEAD IN CATCHING UP THAN YOU ALL WILL EVER BE.
I CAN SEE THAT FUTURE FOR EVERYONE.
UM, BUT THE, THE GROWTH HELPS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO DENYING THAT YOU NEED THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES TO SUPPORT ACTUALLY GROWING A COUNTY.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GROW A COUNTY, YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO IT RESPONSIBLY AND HAVE SOME BUSINESS TO SUPPORT IT.
'CAUSE IT PAYS BETTER THAN RESIDENTIAL.
UM, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, I THINK AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT YOU NEED TO DO IT REASONABLY SLOWLY.
AND THEN YOU ALSO NEED TO BRING THINGS TO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, PURPORTEDLY HELPING HERE.
UM, IF WE'RE GONNA BRING RESIDENTIAL OUT HERE, IT SEEMS ODD THAT THERE'S NOT A SINGLE SCHOOL ANYWHERE ON THAT PLAN IN THE EAST END OF THIS COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, I DRIVE 15 MINUTES EVERY DAY TO TAKE MY KID TO SCHOOL.
IT'S 25 TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
YOU KNOW, MY KIDS WILL BE LONG SINCE OUT OF THAT, UH, PROGRAM BY THE TIME ANYTHING GETS BUILT.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING SERVICES AND INDUSTRY AND EVERYTHING ELSE OVER HERE, YOU PROBABLY OUGHT TO BRING SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY BENEFITS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
ANYONE ELSE? BLUE THAT I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
AND I'M GOING TO HAVE A 10 MINUTE RECESS BREAK AND THEN WE'LL PICK UP AFTER THAT RECESS.
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WILL CALL THE MEETING BACK TO WARN.PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS ANYTIME.
JOHN MYERS, ARE YOU STILL THERE? HE'S EATING
UH, WE'LL NOW HAVE THE, UH, SINCE WE FINISHED THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL HAVE THE COUNTY, UH, OR STAFF, UH, RESPOND TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD.
AGAIN, MEMBERS COMMISSION, TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER,
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UH, MR. CHAR, I WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK TO THAT QUESTION YOU ASKED ME EARLIER ABOUT WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS PLAN.UM, IN THE PAST WHEN THE COUNTY DID LAND USE PLANNING, THEY DID REALLY DID IT AT THE COUNTYWIDE LEVEL.
SO IF YOU SAW A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION IN CENTERVILLE, IT WAS THE SAME COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION IN COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
SAME COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION IN HAYESVILLE.
AND REALLY WHAT THIS IS, IS AN EFFORT TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WITH THE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S TAKEN PLACE IN CENTERVILLE AND THE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE BEING PROXIMITY TO SHORT PUMP AND RIKO.
UM, THE, THE, THE COUNTY NEEDS TO, AND IS TAKING A LOOK AT CENTERVILLE.
AND WE NEED NEW TOOLS TO FACILITATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE MENTIONED HERE TONIGHT THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC FACILITIES, WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC PARKS.
WE DON'T HAVE A MIXTURE OF HOUSING TYPES.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE THESE THINGS INTO CENTERVILLE, WE NEED DIFFERENT TOOLS TO DO THAT.
AND PART OF WHAT THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING EFFORT IS, A CENTERVILLE VILLAGE PLAN IS, IS TO INTRODUCE NEW, NEW TOOLS.
AND AS MANY PEOP MANY PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THIS EVENING, UM, THERE ARE THE, THIS IS NOT, THERE ARE NO ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS HERE TONIGHT.
WHAT THIS, UM, CON, WHAT THIS VILLAGE PLAN IS DOING, IT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION.
IT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE MORE DIRECTION THAN OUR CURRENT CONFERENCE PLAN OFFERS.
UM, THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THOSE PUBLIC SPACES IS TO, IS TO INTRODUCE THAT MIXTURE OF HOUSING TYPES, IS TO HAVE THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHETHER IT'S ORIENTATION OF BUILDINGS.
WE HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT OF THAT NOW WITH THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, BUT THAT REALLY MOSTLY JUST DEALS WITH AESTHETICS AND WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE WE'RE GOING FURTHER THAN THAT, UM, IN TALKING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING AND THINGS.
SO THIS, UH, THIS, THIS EFFORT, THIS VILLAGE PLAN IS DIFFERENT AND IT IS INTENDED TO ACCOMPLISH DIFFERENT THINGS AND PROVIDE MORE DIRECTION THAN THE CURRENT CONFERENCE PLAN OFFERS.
WELL, ANYBODY FROM TIMMONS WANT TO RESPOND TO IN THE COMMENTS? UH, SURE.
MEMBERS OF COMMISSIONER, I'LL JUST SAY, UM, THERE, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GREAT COMMENTS THIS EVENING, AND I, I TOTALLY RECOGNIZE THE CONCERNS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, UH, OUTPACING THE INFRASTRUCTURE HERE.
UM, BUT I WILL SAY THAT'S WHY WE ADDED THAT ELEMENT IN THERE TO TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN VIRGINIA IS SET UP TO ENSURE THAT AS GOVERNMENT PROS COME FORWARD, FORWARD, UH, YOU DO TRAFFIC STUDY, AS I STATED EARLIER BY GENTLEMEN, YOU DO, YOU DO TRAFFIC STUDIES IF IT'S A REZONING, YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE PROFFERS TO TRY AND MITIGATE THAT IMPACT.
IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL FIRE AND RESCUE, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL SCHOOLS, UH, NEEDED.
THAT'S PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AS A REZONING COMES FORWARD TO ENSURE THAT A DOMAN DOESN'T GET APPROVED, THAT THEN PUTS ALL OF THE BURDEN ON THE COUNTY.
SO THE, THE SYSTEM IN VIRGINIA IS SET UP TO TRY AND KEEP PACE TOGETHER WITH DEVELOPMENT.
ALL THIS DOES, THIS PLAN DOES, IS REALLY IDENTIFY WHAT MIGHT BE WANTED, WHAT TYPE OF FORM OR PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT IS WANTED, WHERE IT'S THAT YOU'LL HAVE A GUIDEBOOK TO FOLLOW.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY AS THOSE THINGS COME FORWARD, INFRASTRUCTURE ALSO CATCHES UP TO IT.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WANNA SAY, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT TAKING OUT THINGS LIKE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE PATTERN BOOKS AND, AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HEIGHT AND BUILDING FORM OF PARKING.
AS I MENTIONED IN MY PRESENTATION, WE KEPT IT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.
IT DOESN'T GET INTO SPECIFIC SETBACKS, IT DOESN'T GET INTO NUMBER OF PARKING SIZE OF PARKING, BUT I THINK THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO HAVE IN THIS PLAN SO THAT IT DOES HELP STAFF FIGURE OUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
AND IT SAYS, YES, Y'ALL DO WANNA LOOK AT PARKING, AND YOU DO THINK THAT PARKING SHOULD MAYBE BE ON THE SIDE, IN THE BACK OF BUILDINGS, IN, IN YOUR MIXED USE CORE VERSUS ALONG THE MAJOR ROADS.
UM, SO TAKING IT OUT OF THERE REALLY, REALLY TAKES AWAY THE TOOLS THAT THE STAFF WILL NEED TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
AND LAST, I'LL SAY THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE GREENWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'LL JUST SAY AT THIS LEVEL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A HIGH NEED THAT, THAT WAS EXPRESSED BY THE COMMUNITY FOR PARKS AND RECREATION ACCESS TO OUTDOOR RECREATION.
HERE, AS I STATED, PEOPLE ARE USING THE GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS CERTAINLY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, AND AS THE, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS CAME FORWARD.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS, UH, ASIDE FROM JUST IDENTIFYING PARCELS FOR THE COUNTY TO ORDER TO, TO PURCHASE FOR, FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO WE LOOKED AT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT MOST PLACES DO IS IMPLEMENT GREENWAY CORRIDORS ALONG STREAMS. UM, AND SO THAT'S ABOUT AS FAR AS WE TOOK IT.
WE DIDN'T PUT ANY SPECIFIC ALIGNMENT OUT THERE.
WE JUST SAID THERE'S A STREAM CORRIDOR HERE, YOU TYPICALLY CAN'T DEVELOP ALONG A STREAM CORRIDOR.
SO WE THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD LOOK INTO A POTENTIAL GREENWAY ALONG THAT, THAT THAT ALIGNMENT AS IT SAYS IN THE DOCUMENT THERE, THAT IT'S A CONCEPTUAL ALIGNMENT SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS IT WORKS THROUGH ITS PROCESS.
SO THINGS LIKE THAT, ROADS, SIDEWALKS, GREENWAYS WILL CERTAINLY CHANGE AS THE COUNTY IDENTIFIES A PROJECT MOVES IT FORWARD.
IT MAY NOT BE ON THAT PROPERTY.
IT MAY TOTALLY, OFTENTIMES GREENWAYS MAY, MAY FOLLOW A CORRIDOR AND THEN JUMP TO THE STREET FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND THEN COME BACK WHEREVER IT TAKES PLACE, WHATEVER WORKS.
AND, AND IS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT, THAT IT IMPACTS.
SO BY PUTTING IT ON THESE PLANTS IS IN NO WAY SAYING THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA GO AND INVITING FOLKS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THERE ISN'T NO GREENWAY TRAIL.
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IT'S JUST PUTTING IT IN THERE.AND WHAT IT ALSO DOES IS IDENTIFY A POTENTIAL FOR FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COUNTY.
AND BY PUTTING IT IN THIS PLAN, IT ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO PURSUE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY COME FORWARD.
OR IF A DEVELOPMENT COMES FORWARD AND SAY, WE WOULD LOVE SOME KIND OF A PUBLIC AMENITY THERE, A PARK, A GREENWAY, IT PROVIDES THAT, THAT FOUNDATION FOR Y'ALL TO ASK FOR THAT.
UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD TO SAY.
IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
AND I OPEN IT UP FOR THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
DO THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
I THINK, UM, I I THINK YOU PRETTY MUCH ANSWERED THE GREENWAY QUESTION, BUT I WANT TO RETOUCH BACK ON IT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, NOBODY HAS TAKEN ANYBODY'S PROPERTY WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION TO CREATE A GREENWAY.
THERE'S NO INTENT TO TAKE OR SPEAK FOR ANYONE'S PROPERTY.
WHAT YOU HAVE ARE SOME CONCEPTUAL LINES WHERE THE COUNTY IS SHOWING WHERE THEY LIKE, WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING RUN EAST TO WEST OR NORTH TO SOUTH FOR ROADS, FOR TRAILS.
AND AGAIN, HAVING THAT PROPOSED HYPOTHETICAL LAYOUT SHOWN ON A PLAN HELPS US TO GO FOR FUNDING, WHETHER IT IS FROM DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION RECREATION, WHETHER IT IS FROM, UM, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OR DEPARTMENT OF RAILS.
UM, D P R T, I ALWAYS GET THE ACRONYM WRONG WHEN I SAY IT OUT LOUD.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT HELPS SECURE THE FUNDING BECAUSE NUMBER ONE QUESTION THAT YOU USUALLY GET ASKED WHEN YOU SUBMIT APPLICATIONS FOR FUNDING IS, IS IT REFLECTED IN A PLAN OF SOME FORM MM-HMM.
WHAT I'M SEEING DRAWING ON HERE IS IT'S FAIRLY WIDE.
I KNOW IT WAS SAID THAT IT WAS, IT LOOKED VERY SMALL, BUT IT'S WIDER THAN 64.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ASKING FROM THE SURROUNDING LANDOWNERS? IS IT COMING FROM THE IT'S JUST CONCEPTUAL AND IT'S AN IDEA OR, OR THAT IS, UM, CONCEPTUAL AND IT WOULD COME ON, UM, A POTENTIAL FUTURE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE THAT WITHIN THEIR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT? THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF OF THEIR PROJECT.
AND THE, THE IN EXCESS OF 700 HOUSES OFF OF ROCKVILLE ROAD, UM, IT'S LIMITED TO AMOUNT OF ACCESS POINTS ONTO ROCKVILLE ROAD.
RIGHT? IT'S NOT LIMITED BECAUSE OF ZONING.
DIDN'T, DIDN'T, HE? I WILL DEFER TO STAFF.
I MEAN, YEAH, THERE, THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT WOULD, WOULD BE TAKEN CONSIDERATION.
THERE'S A LIMITED NUMBER OF ACCESS IF THERE'S ANY FLOODPLAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
SO ONCE YOU GET INTO THE DESIGN, WHATEVER YOUR STARTING NUMBER IS, THAT NUMBER'S GONNA BE LESS.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT MATH WENT INTO THAT EQUATION, BUT RIGHT.
WHATEVER NUMBER YOU START WITH, IT'LL GET LESS AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.
AND, AND IT IS, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL DONE BY VDOT AND, AND BY THE APPLICATION PROCESS NOT CORRECT.
THAT GOES THROUGH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT STAFF AND VDOT WORK TO REVIEW AND APPROVE TO DETERMINE IMPROVEMENTS OR, UM, IF STATUS QUO MAINTAINS.
IS THERE AN APPLICATION FOR THAT PROPERTY? WE DO NOT HAVE AN APPLICATION SUBMITTED AT THIS TIME.
SO IT'S JUST IF MAYBE THERE'S, IF I KNOW PREVIOUSLY IN THE PAST THERE WAS A HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED FOR THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, IT DID NOT COME TO FRUITION.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN, UM, LOTS OF DESIRE AT TIMES FROM VARIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS IN, IN AND AROUND CENTERVILLE AS WELL AS OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY TO COME FORWARD WITH PROJECTS THAT THEY TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT, AND THEY ACTUALLY NEVER PULL AN APPLICATION OR SOMETIMES THAT APPLICATION COMES TWO YEARS LATER.
MR. MYERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YES, I DO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, AMONG THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES.
AMONG THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE VERY BEGINNINGS OF THESE DISCUSSIONS WERE FIRST DENSITY, UM, PEOPLE ARE REALLY NERVOUS ABOUT FOUR PLUS UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, ANOTHER ONE IS PROXIMITY TO, UM, FUTURE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS OF THEIR HOMES, UH, TRAFFIC AND NOISE AND A FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICE.
AND, UM, AMONG THE NEWER ONES IS NO ONE REALLY WANTS TO COLLECT A ROAD SOUTH OF TWO 50.
UM, AND THE, AND THE, I THINK WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE GREENWAY OF TICKET PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT THE GREENWAY, I THINK THAT'S, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT AND, UM, APPARENTLY THEY DON'T LIKE THE, UM, THE PROPOSED NEW DESIGNATION FOR SYCAMORE CREEK.
BUT, UM, A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT HAS BEEN SPENT BY STAFF ON THIS,
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UM, ON THIS, UH, MODIFICATION TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.AND IF WE, IF WE ADOPTED ALL OF THE SUGGESTIONS MADE BY, UH, OUR FELLOW CITIZENS, THEN, UM, YOU'D HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE, WHOLE LOT MORE OF THEM WHEN IT REACHES THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TO FIND A HALF A MEDIUM HERE.
WE ARE NEVER GONNA PLEASE ALL OF OUR CITIZENS.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S A SHAME BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE ALL GOOSE AND RESIDENTS TO BE HAPPY AND HAPPY, UH, WITH WHERE THEY ARE LIVING.
BUT, UM, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PLAN AND WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT.
SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK WE ARE ON, WE ARE REALLY ON THE WAY.
UM, WHAT DO YOU GENTLEMEN THINK ABOUT SOME OF THEIR PROPOSALS FROM THE, FROM THE RESIDENTS? THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG ASK.
THERE'S A LOT, THERE WAS A LOT OF, A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF SPEAKERS.
UM, I THINK THE PLAN HAS BEEN A, A CULMINATION OF A LOT OF HARD WORK FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UM, CERTAINLY WITH THE, UH, CONSULTANT AND OUR STAFF AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, ET CETERA.
AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, UH, SINCE FEBRUARY OF 22.
AND I THINK WE'VE COME A LONG WAY FROM THAT.
AND, UH, HERE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UH, WE DENIED APPROVAL SO THAT WE COULD COME BACK AND IMPROVE IT, WHICH I THINK THAT WE HAVE IN A GREAT WAY.
SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, I, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMMISSION, RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND CERTIFICATION OF THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN AS PRESENTED.
I'LL SECOND THAT IT'S, UH, BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT.
UH, IT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED THAT WE APPROVE IT, AND I'D LIKE TO DO THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENT.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION REGARDING SYCAMORE CREEK AND, UH, THE AREA WEST OF MANNEQUIN ROAD.
AND, UH, MR. COSTELLO, UH, PRESENTED, UH, SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE PLAN REGARDING THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS.
IT WAS FIVE ITEMS ON THAT LIST, AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, UH, RECOMMEND THAT THE, UH, UH, AMENDMENTS INCLUDE, UH, THOSE FIVE SUGGESTIONS, UH, FROM THEM.
I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE REASONABLE AND, UH, UH, THEY KEEP THE CORE, UH, BASICALLY WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
I, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITEMS HAVE COME UP TONIGHT AND IT'S, IT'S HARD TO ADDRESS ALL OF 'EM, BUT I THINK IF WE CAN, UH, SETTLE ON TWO OR THREE OF 'EM AND I GET THOSE OUTTA THE WAY, I THINK WE'LL GO A LONG WAY.
UH, AND, UH, SO THAT'S MY, UH, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
IF THAT'S WHICH TWO TO THREE, DO YOU WANT TO APPROVE ALL OF THEM? ALL, ALL FIVE OF THOSE? ALL OF THEM.
UM, IF, IF I MAY CLARIFY WITH YOU, MR. ROCK, CHARLIE, THAT'S THE NUMBER, THE FIRST NUMBER ONE THROUGH FIVE, THE ONES THAT, UH, UNDER THE FIRST TITLE THAT WAS PRESENTED? YES, SIR.
AND, AND NOT THE SECOND NUMBER ONE DOWN BELOW.
JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S COMING UP, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, SINCE YOU MADE THE, THE MOTION.
AND, UH, I WILL, UH, GIVE MY, UH, APPROVAL TO IT SUBJECT TO, UH, MR. MYERS HAS TO SAY, MR. CARTER IS, IS THE WAY TO DO THAT IS FOR, SO ARE WE SAYING WE ARE ADDING THESE TO THE MOTION, OR ARE WE ADDING IT AS A SUGGESTION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M COMFORTABLE ADDING IT TO THE MOTION.
THE, THE, MY UNDERSTANDING OF MR. ROCKET, CHARLIE'S WAS THAT THIS WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE APPROVAL MOTION.
SO THAT THE MOTION, NOT A SUGGESTION.
THAT, THAT HE WOULD HAVE THE APPROVAL MOTION BE, UH, THE COMP PLAN, RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AS AMENDED BY THESE FIVE, UH, ITEMS AS HIS REQUEST, AND THAT HAS AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AGREED TO BY THE TWO OF YOU.
IF IT IS NOT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, THEN YOU COULD HAVE A, UM, MOTION GOING TO MY PROCESS.
UM, UH, YOU COULD HAVE A MOTION ON, YOU COULD HAVE A
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VOTE ON THE, UM, AMENDMENT, UH, BEFORE OR OF MOTION ON THE, OR VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION.PARDON ME? I'M NOT COMFORTABLE ADDING ALL FIVE.
AS, AS FOR THE AMENDMENT, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CAN TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION.
RECOMMEND THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR THEM TO TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION.
YES, BUT I'M NOT GONNA AMEND MY MOTION.
UH, MR. MYERS, WILL WE DO A ROLL CALL SO WE CAN COUNT EVERYBODY ABSOLUTELY.
AND, AND CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
WOULD YOU MIND DOING THAT PART, MS. MCGEE? YES.
YOU'RE VOTING ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION MADE BY, BY MR. UCK TO APPROVE, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE COMP PLAN AS PRESENTED.
AND THAT'S THE MOTION FOR THE ROLL CALL VOTE BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A THREE ONE VOTE.
THIS CASE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON AUGUST 7TH, 2023 WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS? THERE IS NO OLD BUSINESS AND NO OTHER
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BUSINESS.