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SO MR. AUER, WHEN IT COMES UP TO REPORTS, THE BEAT OUT'S GONNA COME FORWARD TO SAY THAT I REPORT IS IN YOUR PACKET.
ALL OF THE STAFF WILL BE UNDER SHALE.
WE WANNA BE DONE AND KIND OF ROLL THROUGH TO GET IT READY FOR THREE.
YOU WANT ONE? ALL THREE PROBABLY THAT WAY.
JUST DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW THE COURT LIKE TO TWO MEETINGS? HMM.
IT IS MY HONOR TO CALL TO ORDER THE AUGUST 1ST MEETING OF THE GUTTA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, WE'LL START EACH MEETING AS WE ALWAYS DO WITH AN INVOCATION.
AND TODAY WE ARE, UH, BLESSED TO HAVE DR.
BARTON FROM OAKLAND BAPTIST CHURCH AND MR. WATERS WILL LEAD
[I. Call to Order]
US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.OUR FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME OF GATHERING TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY HERE IN GLAND COUNTY.
AND FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR SETTING ASIDE THESE MEN AND WOMEN TO SERVE IN THESE IMPORTANT ROLES.
AND WE PRAY FOR THEM AN EXTRA MEASURE
[II. Invocation]
OF WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT TONIGHT, UH, TODAY AS THEY, UH, MAKE DECISIONS AND, UH, SEEK THE BEST DIRECTIONS POSSIBLE FOR THIS COUNTY.FATHER, WE JUST THANK YOU FOR EVERY PROVISION THAT YOU MAKE IN OUR LIVES EVERY DAY.
WE ARE GRATEFUL CHILDREN BEFORE YOU.
BLESS AND GOD, IN THIS TIME TODAY, MAY YOU BE GLORIFIED.
IN YOUR PRECIOUS NAME, WE DO PRAY.
[III. Pledge of Allegiance]
THANK YOU.ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE RIGHT INTO THE CHAIR'S COMMENTS.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO INVITE EVERYONE OUT TONIGHT.
TONIGHT WE ARE HAVING OUR, UH, SHERIFF'S NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET TOGETHER WITH OUR, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND DO SOME FELLOWSHIP AND, AND, AND LEARN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THEY
[IV. Chair's Comments]
DO.AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE OF THE, THAT WE HAVE OUR FARMER'S MARKET GOING ON EACH TUESDAY NIGHT IN THE SUMMER.
SO PLEASE GET OUT AND SUPPORT THOSE VENDORS AND, AND, UH, FARMERS, UH, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO DO IN OUR AG COMMUNITY.
UH, AND MR. COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS, THE BOARD, JUST ONE ITEM.
THE, UH, NIGHT AT TUCKER, WE UN HAD TO CANCEL 'CAUSE OF HEAT ON FRIDAY.
UH, SO STAFF IS TRYING TO RESCHEDULE WITH A GOAL OF HAVING IT SOMETIME LATER IN AUGUST.
BOARD, DO WE HAVE ANY REQUESTS TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEMS OR DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES IN THE ORDER OF PRESENTATION
[V. County Administrator's Comments]
HERE? NONE ON THE LEFT.NOW I WILL OPEN UP THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
[VI. Requests to Postpone Agenda Items and Additions, Deletions or Changes in the Order of Presentation]
FOR CITIZENS TO APPROACH, UH, THE BOARD ON ISSUES THAT ARE, UH, NOT IN FRONT OF US TODAY OR THIS EVENING.UH, SO PLEASE COME FORTH, GIVE US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND PLEASE TRY TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
[VII. Citizen Comment]
OKAY.UM, LINDA MOORE, 2164 PROFIT ROAD, MANNEQUIN SABOT, VIRGINIA.
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UM, MEMBERS OF THE UCHIN, UH, COUNTY BOARD SUPERVISOR, JIM AND SAU AND, AND MR. CARPENTER.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST OF ALL THANK MR. CARPENTER FOR COMING OVER TO MY HOUSE, UM, TO, UH, HAVE A MEETING WITH 12 OF MY, UM, NEIGHBORS WHO, UH, ARE ALONG A MANNEQUIN ROAD.
UH, IT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO THEM.
UM, OUR AGENDA HIGHLIGHTED OUR OPPOSITION TO THREE BASIC THINGS.
UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT, UM, WE WERE ASKED TO PUT OUR AMENDMENTS, UM, IN WRITING, UH, WHICH WERE, UH, UH, DRAFT WAS SENT BY MR. COSTELLO.
UM, WITH THE APPROVAL OF EVERYBODY ON OUR TEAM, UM, WE WERE UNSU UNSUCCESSFUL IN GETTING IT INTO THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, BUT WE HAD PLANNED TO PRESENT AS A GROUP, UM, WHICH MEANT THAT WE WERE ALL GOING TO LINE UP AND HOPEFULLY GET OUR CONCERNS ONE BY ONE SO THAT WE, IT IT WOULD BE A GOOD FLOW.
UM, THAT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN EITHER.
AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, THE BEST LAID PLANS OF MENTAL MOUSE, UM, IS OKAY.
UM, WE JUST WILL, WE, WE ARE ASKING THAT, UM, FOR THE UPCOMING SEVENTH, IF WE COULD POSSIBLY BE ACCOMMODATED THAT WE WERE PRESENTING AS A GROUP TO NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, BE OUT OF LINE, UH, WITH IT.
UM, WE, WE ALL HAVE OUR, UH, TALKING POINTS AND EVERYTHING, AND IT'S MR. NEIL.
UM, IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU TO, IF YOU FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE AN EASIER ROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE GONNA HAVE OUR PRESENTATION INTO LISA, UM, AT BEFORE THE YEAR TIME.
SO WE WILL NOT HAVE OUR MAPS, UM, ANYWHERE NEAR THERE.
UM, IT WAS A FIASCO AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT WE NEED OUR MAPS AND EVERYTHING SO THAT WE ARE TALKING TO IT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I HOPE YOU WILL ACCOMMODATE THAT REQUEST.
TAKING AN ADVISEMENT AND DO KNOW THAT THOSE, THOSE POINTS HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO THE BOARD AND WE HAVE REVIEWED THEM.
I'M TOM
MY NAME IS ANN MAYFIELD ROCKA CHARLIE, AND I'VE LIVED AT 5 5 8 WOODSON COURT FOR 26 YEARS.
FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS, I'VE WATCHED THE SMALL VILLAGE PLAN IN CENTERVILLE ON UNFOLD.
I'VE WATCHED SOME VERY SMART, HARDWORKING CITIZENS TRY TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS.
THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BRING THEIR WISHES AND THEIR VISION TO THIS BOARD, TO EVERY BOARD PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THE STAFF, THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT.
THEY'VE MET WITH THE COUNTY STAFF, THEY'VE MET WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, THEY'VE MET WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHY ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS HELD? IF FEW REQUESTS OF THE TAXPAYERS ARE INCORPORATED INTO THEIR VISION OF THEIR HOME PLACE, WHY IGNORE THE PEOPLE IN THE PROCESS? THE DEFINITION OF A VILLAGE READS AS FOLLOWS.
A VILLAGE IS A SMALL COMMUNITY IN RURAL AREA WITH FIXED BROWN BOUNDARIES.
AND A LOCAL GOVERNMENT, MAYBE THIS CURRENT PROJECT SHOULD BE GIVEN APPROVAL TO BE CALLED A SMALL CITY MOTELS, MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS.
AND MANY BUSINESSES SURE WOULD MAKE THIS PLAN QUALIFY FOR THE SMALL CITY STATUS.
I'VE HEARD THAT THIS COUNTY WANTS THE, THIS PROJECT DONE.
NO, YOU MUST GET THIS PROJECT DONE CORRECTLY.
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IF THE COUNTY IS SPENDING ALMOST $200,000 OF CITIZENS' MONEY TO DEVELOP THIS PROJECT, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE INPUT OF EVERYONE BE CONSIDERED THIS QUA.THIS PROJECT IS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR CITIZENS, NOT BRICKS AND MORTAR.
I'M AWARE AND APPALLED THAT A, THAT A SUPERVISOR WHO MET WITH CITIZENS TOLD THEM HE DIDN'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS BLANKETY BLANK.
THAT COMMENT IS INAPPROPRIATE.
THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS OF THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS COUNTY.
IT'S TIME THAT WE ALL RECOGNIZE THE HOURS THAT THE CITIZENS, THE CITIZENS HAVE PUT INTO FINE TUNING THIS PROJECT.
THEY ARE A PART OF THIS PROCESS.
ON NOVEMBER 19TH, 1863, A SMARTER MAN THAN MYSELF SAID IT CORRECTLY, THIS NATION UNDER GOD SHALL HAVE A NEW BIRTH OF FREEDOM.
AND THAT GOVERNMENT IS OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE.
I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH ONE MORE THOUGHT.
I HEAR A VOICE CRYING OUT IN THE WILDERNESS OF GLAND COUNTY.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? IT MEANS THAT SOMEONE IS POINTING OUT THE DANGERS IN A SITUATION, THE TRUTH ABOUT IT, BUT NO ONE'S PAYING ATTENTION.
PLEASE DON'T LET YOU BE THE GOVERNING BODY OF GLAND COUNTY THAT DOESN'T HEAR WHEN YOU VOTE ON THIS PLAN FOR THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE PLAN.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION, AND I DO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THANK YOU, MR. ROCK CHARLIE, APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
JONATHAN LYLE, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD CHAIRMAN OF THE MONACAN SOIL WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT, AND A, UH, GLAND FARM BUREAU DIRECTOR AT MY COMMENTS ON MY OWN.
UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU FOLKS AN UPDATE.
AND WE STILL SO APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT THE COUNTY GIVES.
I LOOK FORWARD AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HER PARTICIPATION.
SHE BRINGS GREAT INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY TO MONICA, AND WE HOPE VICE VERSA.
SHE BRINGS THE MESSAGE BACK FROM MONICA TO YOU.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DID RECEIVE OUR DISBURSEMENT.
FIRST DISBURSEMENT LETTER FROM, UH, D C R MONICA WILL HAVE A MILLION $900,000 IN COST SHARE MONEY TO PUT INTO PRACTICE WITH FARMERS IN PAAN AND GLAND COUNTY.
UH, ALL THE ASSISTANCE WE CAN GET IN PUBLICIZING THAT WILL BE APPRECIATED.
UH, WE WANT TO DO ALL WE CAN FOR OUR AG COMMUNITY.
UH, TO THAT POINT, ONE OF OUR, UH, ASSOCIATE DIRECTORS, UH, KEN CARTER, WHO, UH, IS A N R C S RETIRED DIRECTOR, IS WORKING WITH GREENS WELL.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, THEY ARE EXPANDING AND THEY PRODUCE A LOT OF STEMS AND, UH, ROOTS THAT ARE NOT REALLY PART OF THEIR PRODUCT.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO EITHER MULCH IT OR TURN IT INTO SOME KIND OF SOIL AMENDMENT.
SO, UH, WE WANT TO HELP GREENS, WELL EXPAND, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PAYING SOMEBODY TO TAKE THIS OFF.
AND IT'S NOT UNLIKE THE COUNTY HAS FOUND A WAY TO GET PAID FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE OUR TRASH AWAY.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS A WIN-WIN WHERE, UH, THE BYPRODUCT OF GREENS WELL CAN ACTUALLY BE USED ALSO IN THE AGRICULTURE COMMUNITY.
UH, I MENTIONED EARLIER WE HAVE TWO NEW DIRECTORS COMING ON BOARD NEXT YEAR.
KATE ANDERSON AND SANDY BRINLEY FROM PELOTON COUNTY.
AFTER OUR, UH, MEETING ON THE 21ST THIS MONTH, WE'RE GONNA ORGANIZE A FIELD TRIP AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE EVERYBODY, UH, HERE ON THE BOARD AND STAFF WHO MIGHT LIKE TO GO TO FOUR L RANCH AS WELL AS, UH, TO THE STATE FARM.
UH, I GUESS WE CAN STILL CALL IT THAT, THE CORRECTION CENTER THERE ON SIX.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CONSERVATION PRACTICES THAT ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED.
IT WOULD GIVE FOLKS A CHANCE TO SEE THE TYPE OF WORK THAT, UH, GLAND OR I SHOULD SAY MONICA IS DOING HERE IN GLAND FOR, UH, FOLKS.
UH, I WILL MENTION ALSO FOR FARM BUREAU, OUR ANNUAL MEETING IS ON THE 18TH.
UH, HG MEETS, WHO YOU FOLKS APPROVED IS BRINGING THEIR OPERATION UP ONLINE AND WILL BE OUR FUTURE SPEAKER.
TONIGHT, MR. GOTTWALD WILL BRING US UP TO DATE AS TO WHERE HE IS AND HOW SOON WE MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, GLIN BEEF BEING PROCESSED THERE.
UH, THE LAST THING I'LL MENTION, AND THIS IS A, UH, A COOPERATIVE EXTENSION, UH, PROGRAM, BUT THE WELL WATER TESTING, UH, WILL TAKE PLACE IN SEPTEMBER.
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DISTRIBUTED ON THE 11TH, AND THE ACTUAL WATER SAMPLES WILL BE COLLECTED ON THE 13TH.UH, IN YEARS PAST 30% OF THE WATER SAMPLES SHALL SHOW SOME WHOOF, SHOW SOME SEMBLANCE OF BACTERIAL PRESENCE.
SO FOR $65, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A BETTER DEAL ON GETTING YOUR WELL WATER TESTED.
AND THE SIGNUP IS AVAILABLE ONLINE THROUGH THE, UH, COOPERATIVE EXTENSION AND, UH OH.
AND THEN FINALLY AGAIN, ON THE 12TH, UH, WITH PARKS AND RECREATION, THERE IS THE VIRGINIA FARM EXPO.
AND, UH, VISITS TO SEVEN OF GLAND'S FARMS CAN BE, UH, ENJOYED.
THANK YOU, MR. WELL, ANYONE ELSE FOR CITIZEN COMMENT? SEEING NONE, I'LL, I'M GONNA GO, GO AHEAD AND CLOSE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
BOARD NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR JULY 3RD MINUTES.
[VIII. Approval of Action Minutes]
A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM.I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR SUBTRACT CORRECTIONS? ANY OTHER SHUNS? OKAY, MS. SCOTT.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE APPROVAL OF OUR JULY 3RD MEETING.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO OUR REPORTS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS A LITTLE QUICKER THAN USUAL.
AS YOU'VE PROBABLY HAVE SEEN ON THE AGENDA OF THE BOARD, UH, IS GONNA MOVE INTO THE CLOSED SESSION.
[IX. Reports]
UH, WE ARE GONNA ASK, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVES COME FORWARD AND BOARD, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BASED ON WHAT YOU SAW IN THE, IN YOUR BOARD PACKET, FEEL FREE TO ASK.BUT, UM, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK VDOT TO COME FORWARD.
THERE'S ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE.
[1. 5792: VDOT - July 2023]
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. CARPENTER, MARSHALL, WIN WITH VDOT.UM, BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE THE, UH, JULY MAINTENANCE REPORT.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW YOU CAN ASK ME.
WE'VE GOT A, A DATE TENTATIVE TO START BASED ON WEATHER, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
ALRIGHT, NEXT BOARD WE HAVE THE FIRE AND RESCUE REPORT.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF OR CHIEF? DID YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ANYTHING? WE ARE RUNNING AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
SIR, SIR, I KNOW YOU'RE ON A TIGHT SCHEDULE.
I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF
[2. 5782: Fire Rescue Report - August]
YOU, UH, HAVE ANY REGARDING WHAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET.SO SORRY TO BREAK THE MOMENTUM HERE.
UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE, THE NUMBERS YOU PROVIDED IN THE, UH, REPORT HAVE BY STATION? YES, MA'AM.
SO IT, IT LOOKED LIKE TO ME THAT THERE WAS A DISPARITY, AND I'M PROBABLY NOT LOOKING AT IT RIGHT.
UH, SAYS I HAVE TO FIND THE PAGE, UH, THAT IT WAS ON, BUT YOU WERE SHOWING, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE SEVEN STATION.
IT LOOKED LIKE EACH STATION WAS SHOWING THE NUMBER OF CALLS, FIRE AND E M S AND THEN THE NEXT SET OF CHARTS.
UM, DIDN'T SEEM TO MATCH UP WITH THAT.
I I NOTICED A DISCREPANCY, UH, LOOKING AT THE CHART, UH, AFTER THE DATA WAS PULLED AND SUBMITTED, THAT UH, IT HAD SOME, SOME FLAWS, PARTICULARLY IN THE MUTUAL AID CALLS AS WELL.
AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THOSE AND I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU TO AN ANSWER ON THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT'S CORRECT TO SUBMIT A CORRECT DOCUMENT.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE MUTUAL AID WAS EVEN THIS TIME.
AND THAT'S, UH, ACTUALLY THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN 21 CASES WHERE WE GAVE MUTUAL AID IN 16 WHERE WE RECEIVED IT.
AND SO THAT WAS THE, UH, INSTEAD 1414.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE, UH, THE DA DATA POINTS THAT I HAD NOTICED, UH, IN REVIEWING THE REPORT AND IT DIDN'T CATCH IT BEFORE IT WAS SUBMITTED INTO THE PACKET.
UH, BUT 21 GIVEN AND 16, WHICH IS ABOUT RIGHT.
WE TYPICALLY GIVE MORE MUTUAL AID THAN WE USUALLY RECEIVE BECAUSE OF 64, MAINLY BECAUSE OF 64 IN LOUISA COUNTY.
AND, AND THE LAST QUESTION IS, UM, I GUESS IT'S COMPANY EIGHT HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE GETTING A FAIR NUMBER OF CALLS OUTTA THAT, SO THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING.
THEY ARE, UH, SANDY HOOK, UH, OF COURSE WE'VE BEEN STAFFING THE AMBULANCE THERE AT SANDY HOOK, UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM SEVEN IN THE MORNING TO SEVEN AT NIGHT.
UH, AND THEY'RE RUNNING, UH, ONE OR TWO CALLS A DAY DEPENDING ON, UH, HOW BUSY THE COUNTY IS.
I'LL TELL YOU THAT IT'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN RESPONSE TIMES.
UH, IN THE SANDY HOOK IMMEDIATE AREA.
IT HAS, BUT ALSO, UM, IN THE AREAS SUCH AS, UH, 64 TOWARDS HAYDENVILLE AND IT'S KEPT US, UH, ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS IT IS KEPT US FROM GOING N UUA, NO UNITS BEING AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE HAD THAT SEVENTH AMBULANCE IN THE SYSTEM.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING BUSY DAYS, UH, SOME DAYS, YOU KNOW.
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A DAY.UH, AND HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL RESOURCE, UH, GIVES US ONE MORE ON THE BENCH, UH RIGHT.
PARTICULARLY WHEN ALL THESE CALLS ARE OCCURRING IN THE EASTERN END.
A LOT OF THESE RESOURCES MOVE EAST AS YOU KNOW.
SO IT'S A GREAT THING AND I APPRECIATE YOU SUPPORT AND THAT'S MOVING AROUND, RIGHT? IT DOES.
AND, UH, WE'LL TALK WITH YOU MORE ABOUT SANDY HOOK, UH, HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT BOARD.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE CHIEF? THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF.
UM, NOW WE ARE GONNA MOVE INTO THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW COUNTY STAFF, WHICH IS ALWAYS EXCITING.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE TO THE MICROPHONE
[3. 5779: Introduction of New County Staff]
OUR DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES, MS. DYSON.SO ON TIME CRUNCH DAY, WE WOULD HAVE EIGHT NEW HIRES, BUT
GOOD AFTERNOON TO BOARD CHAIR AND OTHER MEMBERS.
SO I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF INTRODUCING EIGHT NEW HIRES ALL FROM FIRE.
SO THEY HAD A, A VERY BUSY MONTH IN JULY.
UM, I DID DO A PRESENTATION, BUT I'LL JUST CALL THE NAMES.
I BELIEVE ALL OF THEM ARE HERE TODAY.
UM, SO AS I CALL YOU, NAME, IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND.
UM, FIRST WE HAVE JACOB BRANCH, BRIAN LER, RAVEN MCCARTER, MICHAEL MCGUIRE, CHRISTOPHER KNUCKLES, AND MICHAEL WHOOPIN.
THIS GROUP WERE AMONG OVER A HUNDRED INSPIRING APPLICA APPLICANTS HOPE TO JOIN THE GOOCHLAND FIRE AND RESCUE TEAM.
THIS GROUP WAS SIX SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED AN INTENSE RECRUITMENT PROCESS, WHICH INCLUDED A PHYSICAL AGILITY TEST, WRITTEN ASSESSMENTS, AND PANEL INTERVIEWS.
THIS CLASS OF RECRUITS WILL LEARN THE BASIC ATTENDANCE OF SUPPRESSION OF EMERGENCY, MEDICAL AND EMERGENCY SERVICES WHILE ATTENDING THE FIRE TRAINING ACADEMY.
UPON SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF THE ACADEMY, THEY WILL BE RECLASSIFIED AS A FIREFIGHTER.
UM, NEXT WE HAVE CHRISTOPHER GEORGE, WHO JOINED THE FIRE AND RESCUE TEAM AS A FIRE E M S B L S.
UM, HE HAS OVER 12 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD AND HAS WORKED IN OTHER LOCALITIES SUCH AS LOUISA COUNTY SPOTSYLVANIA AS A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC, AND MOST RECENTLY WAS EMPLOYED WITH G M R AMERICAN MEDICAL RESPONSE, WHERE HE SERVED AS A PARAMEDIC.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE LISA BROWN, WHO JOINED FIRE AND RESCUE TEAM AS A RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION COORDINATOR, MANAGING THE FEMUR SAFER GRANT.
UM, MS. BROWN WORKED OVER 30 YEARS IN A COMMUNITY AS A EDUCATOR AND LEADER, STRIVING TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF OTHERS THROUGH SERVICE AND POSITIVE GUIDANCE.
SHE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN A FIRE RESCUE FOR OVER 30 YEARS IN SERVING MULTIPLE LOCALITIES.
SHE JOINED GOOCHLAND FIRE RESCUE AT FIFE STATION IN APRIL, 2018 TO CONTINUE HER SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
DURING THE USE OF SERVICE, SHE WORKED AS A, UM, FOR THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF FIRE PROGRAMS AS AN AREA MANAGER AND WAS MOST RECENTLY EMPLOYED WITH POWER 10 PUBLIC SCHOOLS AS AN INSTRUCTOR FOR STEM COACH.
UM, AFTER HER YEARS OF SERVICE WITH GLAND COUNTY, SHE SERVED AS AN EDUCATOR.
UM, SHE CERTIFIER, SHE'S A CERTIFIED FIREFIGHTER, FIRE INSTRUCTOR AND E M T, UM, AND IS CONTINUING TO SERVE IN THE CAPACITY OF A VOLUNTEER MEMBER.
UM, SHE'S ALSO ACTIVE WITH THE VIRGINIA STATE FIREFIGHTER ASSOCIATION AND THE NATIONAL VOLUNTEER FOR FIRE COUNCIL.
AND SHE JUST RECENTLY RETURNED FROM OKLAHOMA WHERE SHE ATTENDED A TRAINING FOR, UM, VOLUNTEER RESPONDERS, HEALTH, SAFETY AND RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION.
UM, THESE ARE OUR NEW STAFF OF FIRE AND YOU'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYWHERE, MS. DYSON.
DO WE HAVE SOME MORE HERE THEN? YEAH, I SEE TWO MORE, BUT, UM, SORRY, I STARTED IN MAY.
SO HE'S HERE FOR THE SUPPORT AND I'M A VOLUNTEER AT THE MOMENT.
WHO Y'ALL HAD ME NERVOUS FOR? SECOND, BRAD, I WAS A VOLUNTEER AT, UH, CROZIER COMPANY TOO.
HE'S A PART OF THE, UH, FIRE RESCUE ACADEMY THAT'S GOING ON AND HE'S TAKING E M T WITH THE, UH, GROUP OF YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN THAT YOU SEE THERE.
UM, THE NEXT TWO REPORTS ARE IN YOUR PACKET FOR YOUR REVIEW FOR FROM PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AND THE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE FROM OUR, OUR TREASURER AND ALSO
[4. 5770: Planning and Development Activity]
THE, WE HAVE, UH, MR. DRUMRIGHT IS HERE.UH, YOU DO HAVE THE BROADBAND REPORT IN YOUR PACKET, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR MR. DRUMRIGHT, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT,
[5. 5778: AP Report July 2023]
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, THE FULL REPORT'S IN THE PACKET.[6. 5781: August 1st Broadband Report]
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE REGARDING THAT.UM, SO MR. DRUMRIGHT CVE CUSTOMERS, MY UNDERSTANDING WERE GETTING, UH, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY CUSTOMERS OF CVEC, GETTING THE FIREFLY BROADBAND FIRST.
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YES, MA'AM.ARE ALL GOOCHLAND CVEC CUSTOMERS CONNECTED? THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE CONNECTED, SO, SO THEY CAN GET SERVICE.
THERE MAY BE STILL SOME FOLKS WHO ARE, DIDN'T OPT IN OR WHATEVER, DIDN'T OPT IN YET.
I KNOW THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR LIST, SO I, YOU KNOW, SO EVERYBODY WHO'S A CVE C CUSTOMER SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET CONNECTED.
IF WE HAVE SOME CITIZENS WHO ARE HAVING ISSUES THAT ARE CVE C CUSTOMERS, I ENCOURAGE 'EM TO REACH OUT TO CVEC, BUT ALSO LET US KNOW AND WE WILL MAKE SURE WE CAN ESCALATE THAT UP TO FIREFLY AND, UM, GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
BUT EVERYBODY IN THE CVEC TERRITORY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET CONNECTED.
BOARD, ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. DRUMRIGHT? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
BOARD, NOW IT'S TIME FOR THE, OUR BOARD REPORTS FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS, EXCUSE
[7. Board Reports]
ME, ANY UPDATES ON ANY OF THE COMMITTEES FOR WHICH THEY SERVE THE COUNTY? MR. PETERSON, I KNOW YOU WERE A LITTLE BIT BUSY EARLIER TODAY.UM, AS SOME FOLKS HERE KNOW, THE, UH, FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, MET, UH, IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
AND WE DISCUSSED A NUM WIDE RANGE OF, UH, WIDE RANGE OF SUBJECTS, INCLUDING, UH, WE KICKED OFF THE AUDIT FOR THE 2023 FISCAL YEAR END, UM, UH, FISCAL YEAR THAT ENDED JUNE 30TH OF THIS YEAR.
UH, THAT AUDIT'S DUE TO THE STATE BY THE END OF NOVEMBER.
AND, UH, UH, SO WE DID HAVE A KICKOFF AND, UH, AND STARTED THAT PROCESS.
WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE 2023 FISCAL YEAR FINANCIAL RESULTS FOR THE YEAR ENDED, UH, JUNE 30TH.
AND THAT WILL BE PRESENTED LATER ON IN, IN THIS MEETING UNDER ITEM NUMBER 11, NEW BUSINESS.
UH, SO THIS BOARD WILL RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT.
UH, WE ALSO DISCUSSED, UH, POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE FINANCIAL POLICIES FOR THE COUNTY.
AND AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD TO THIS BOARD RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS TO THOSE FINANCIAL POLICIES.
WE ALSO REVISITED THE, UH, 25 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
THERE AGAIN, WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE BRINGING SOME, UH, RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THAT PLAN FORWARD TO THIS, UH, GROUP, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AND THE LAST THING, WE, UH, REVISITED THE TUCKO CREEK SERVICE, UH, DISTRICT T C S D DEBT OBLIGATIONS.
UH, AND REVIEWED OUR POSITION WHERE WE STAND ON THOSE.
AND, UH, THERE'S REALLY NO RECOMMENDED CHANGES AT THIS TIME.
SO THAT'S MY REPORT, MR. CHAIR.
ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? ANY UPDATES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE? UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE LAST, UH, CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY MEETING, WE DID ELECT OUR NEW, UH, CHAIRMAN WHO IS, UH, MAYOR STONEY AND THE VICE CHAIR, UM, IS MR. JOHN HODGES FROM ASHLAND COUNTY, ASHLAND CITY, ASHLAND TOWN, ASHLAND, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S
UM, SO BE, IT'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE THAT, THAT THAT'D BE THE THIRD, UM, GROUP OF LEADERS IN THAT.
AND I THINK THEY'VE GOT SOME IDEAS ABOUT DOING SOME BIG THINGS.
WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR CONSENT AGENDA BOARD.
WE'LL ASK, UH, AS ALWAYS, ASK MR. CARPENTER TO GO THROUGH
[X. Consent Agenda]
EACH OF THE ITEMS AND THEN TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE INDIVID INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A GROUP.UH, MR. CARPENTER, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DO YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS AFTERNOON FOR ITEMS AND YOUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 57 69, WHICH IS A RESOLUTION REQUESTING THAT VDOT ACCEPT ROADS IN THE GRAND RIDGE SECTION TWO SUBDIVISION.
UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADS ARE COMPLETE.
UH, VDOT HAS NOTIFIED THAT THE CERTAIN STREETS ARE READY TO BE ACCEPTED INTO THE STATE'S SECONDARY ROAD SYSTEM FOR MAINTENANCE.
UPON THE BOARDS AT OPTION OF THE RESOLUTION, THE ROADS REQUESTED TO BE ACCEPTED ARE DETAILED IN A MAP THAT IS ATTACHED.
ITEM NUMBER 57 75 IS A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS 2023 MEETING SCHEDULE TO REFLECT THAT AFTERNOON.
MEETINGS FOR SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, AND DECEMBER WILL ONLY BE HELD IF NEEDED AND WILL START AT 2:00 PM OR LATER.
UH, THE BOARD ESTABLISHED ITS REGULAR MEETING DATES AND TIMES AT ITS ANNUAL MEETING IN JANUARY AND MADE A REVISION TO IT IN MARCH.
IN ORDER TO MAKE BETTER USE OF THE TIME OF STAFF AND BOARD MEMBERS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE BOARD REVISE ITS SCHEDULE TO ALLOW AFTERNOON MEETINGS TO START LATER IN THE AFTERNOON IF THERE'S A LIGHT AFTERNOON AGENDA.
ACCORDINGLY, THE ATTACHED MEETING SCHEDULE REFLECTS THAT AFTERNOON MEETINGS FOR SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER WOULD ONLY BE HELD IF NEEDED AND WOULD START AT 2:00 PM OR LATER WITH SPECIFIC TIMES BEING SET AND PUBLICIZED AT LEAST SEVEN DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING.
ITEM NUMBER 3 57 80 IS A RESOLUTION AMENDING FISCAL YEAR 2024 GUC COUNTY BUDGET TRANSFERRING AND APPROPRIATING $34,000 FROM THE C UH, CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY FUND TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND FOR THE C V T A APPLICATION ASSISTANCE.
UH, UCHIN COUNTY HAS ALLOWED FOUR APPLICATION SLOTS THROUGH ITS MEMBERSHIP AND C V T A AS PART OF THE UPCOMING APPLICATION CYCLE.
STAFF IS WORKING WITH DEBERRY ASSOCIATES TO PROVIDE ANALYSIS AND PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING TO SUPPORT THOSE APPLICATIONS.
THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS WOULD BE SUBMITTED FOR FUNDING AND CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS FAIRGROUNDS ROAD MAIDEN ROAD INTERSECTION
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IMPROVEMENTS, ROUTE 2 88, SOUTHBOUND AUXILIARY LANE, ROUTE 2 88, SOUTHBOUND HARD SHOULDER RUNNING LANE, AND ROUTE 2 88 WEST BROAD STREET IMPROVEMENTS.AND BERRY WOULD ALSO PROVIDE ANALYSIS TO RECOMMEND WHAT TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AT THE FAIRGROUNDS ROAD MAIDEN ROAD INTERSECTION.
THERE IS A COST OF $34,000 TO APPLY FOR THESE GRANTS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS USING THE LOCAL FUNDS TO COVER THAT.
THE FINAL ITEM NUMBER 57 83 IS AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE A LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR COMMUNITY GARDEN AT THE CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL.
NOW THIS IS A RENEWAL OF A PREVIOUS AGREEMENT THAT OUTLINES DEDICATED SPACE FOR A COMMUNITY GARDEN LOCATED AT CENTRAL HIGH AND OPERATED BY THE SHRINE OF THE BLACK MADONNA SANCTUARY.
THE AGREEMENT IS A TWO YEAR AGREEMENT WITH AN AUTOMATIC TWO YEAR RENEWAL.
THE LICENSE ALLOWS FOR DEDICATED OUTDOOR SPACE TO BE USED FOR THE COMMUNITY GARDEN.
THE LICENSEE IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ALL LABOR EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS NEEDED TO PLANT TO MAINTAIN THE GARDEN.
THE COMMUNITY GARDEN USE ALIGNS WITH VISION AND BUSINESS PLAN FOR THE CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL CULTURAL AND EDUCATION COMPLEX.
THE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN EXECUTED ON BEHALF OF THE SHRINE OF THE BLACK MADONNA SANCTUARY, AND IT HAS BEEN APPROVED AS TO LEGAL FORM BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
MR. CHAIR, THOSE ARE THE FOUR ITEMS. THANK YOU, MR. CARPENTER.
BOARD QUESTIONS OR MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS PRESENTED.
ANY DISCUSSION? YES, QUESTION.
UM, IT'S JUST, THERE WAS A STATEMENT MADE IN THE C V T A, UH, RESOLUTION OR SUMMARY OF INFORMATION THAT C B T A LOCAL FUNDS CURRENT BALANCE IS 5.7 MILLION.
I'M JUST WONDERING IS, IS THAT JUST A BALANCE IN THE ACCOUNT OR IS ANY OF THAT ENCUMBERED? DO WE, IF WE KNOW AND I CAN, I CAN GET THAT INTO, I CAN, I CAN GET THAT FIELDED LATER.
I I ALSO HAD A, A COMMENT ON THAT ONE.
UM, IT, WE USE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, GOVERNMENT TERMS UP HERE.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LEARNED, ESPECIALLY WITH THE C BTA A, IS HAVING GOOD ESTIMATES FOR WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO COST, UH, HELPS YOU SCORE HIGHER, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WANT TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY COMING IN WILLY-NILLY THROWING SOME SORT OF, UH, NUMBER OUT THERE AND THEN THAT PROJECT GETS APPROVED AND IT COSTS A LOT MORE, OR THEY'VE TAKEN UP FUNDS THAT IT NORMALLY WOULDN'T.
SO, UH, IT DOES COST TO DO THESE, THESE, UM, THESE STUDIES.
HOWEVER, THIS ONE IS OF, I THINK, OF SIGNIFICANT IMPORTANCE AS, UH, WE AS A BOARD HAVE HEARD THE IMPORTANCE OF IMPROVEMENTS ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
SO THIS IS, I THINK WE'RE ONE MONTH OR TWO AWAY FROM A PROJECT THAT WAS JUST APPROVED.
AND WE ARE CONTINUING WITH OUR COMMITMENT THAT WE MADE TO ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IMPROVEMENTS ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
WITH THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, UH, APPROVING THE CONSENT TO AGENDA ITEMS, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
NOW WE'LL MOVE INTO THE LAST ITEM FOR OUR BUSINESS MEETING BEFORE WE MOVE INTO CLOSED SESSION.
UM, THIS IS A YEAR END FUND BALANCE PROJECTION AND A PROPOSED ASSIGNMENT.
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GOOD AFTERNOON.I'M GONNA PULL THIS UP IF I CAN.
DO I HAVE CONTROL OF THE MOUSE? OH, YOU'RE DOING IT.
[1. 5773: Presentation - FY2023 Year End Fund Balance Projection and Fund Balance Assignments]
IT IS.I HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS TO REPORT TODAY.
I'M, UM, GOING TO PRESENT THE FOURTH YEAR, FOURTH QUARTER PROJECTIONS.
THESE ARE, UM, WHAT WE PRE WHAT WE PREDICT THAT THE BALANCE RETURNING TO THE GENERAL FUND WILL BE AS OF JUNE 30.
HOWEVER, THE REASON THESE ARE STILL PREDICTIONS IS BECAUSE OF A 60 DAY ACCRUAL PERIOD THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH.
BUT WE'LL BE PUTTING BOTH REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES BACK TO FISCAL YEAR 23 UNTIL THE END OF AUGUST.
SO THE POINT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, BEING AUGUST 1ST, WE ARE THINKING, UM, WE WILL COME IN $12 MILLION OVER OUR REVENUE BUDGET.
THAT IS DUE TO, UM, AN EXCESS OF REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES THAT WE'VE COLLECTED THIS YEAR.
OUR, UM, RETURN WAS MUCH HIGHER THAN WE BUDGETED, AND WE HAD A GREAT YEAR FOR INTEREST.
OUR INTEREST RATE WAS MUCH HIGHER THAN WE THOUGHT.
UM, OUR DEPARTMENTS, I'M PREDICTING, SHOULD BE RETURNING ABOUT $4.4 MILLION.
THIS IS PRETTY VARIABLE 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE A MONTH OF ACCRUALS TO GO.
UM, BUT THIS IS TYPICAL FOR WHAT WE SEE YEAR TO YEAR.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AN OPERATING RETURN OF ABOUT 17 MILLION.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE USE OPERATING FUNDS TO FUND OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS.
WE ALSO USE OUR OPERATING FUNDS FROM GENERAL FUND TO FUND OUR C S A, UM, CASES, WHICH THOSE TWO TOTAL A LITTLE OVER $7 MILLION.
SO AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE, WE'RE THINKING $9.9 MILLION WILL RETURN TO THE GENERAL
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FUND BACK INTO OUR FUND BALANCE.UM, YOU'LL SEE AT THE BOTTOM WHERE, UH, AND WE'LL GO INTO THIS AFTER WE FINISH WITH THIS SHEET, BUT WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE THESE FUNDS.
YOU KNOW, IF 9.9 MILLION RETURNS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE $57.5 MILLION SITTING IN OUR BANK ACCOUNT.
IN OUR GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE, WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE THESE INTO DIFFERENT POTS.
WHAT WE WANNA SET ASIDE VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE OR UNASSIGNED TO SPEND ON OPERATING.
UM, AND THE WAY THAT THEY'VE BEEN ALLOCATED KEEPS US WITHIN OUR TARGET DEBT POLICY, OUR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE POLICY, AND OUR, UM, REVENUE STABILIZATION POLICY.
SO HERE'S A GENERAL OVERALL LOOK, AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, WE CAN SEE, UM, HOW VIC AND I HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT WE, UM, THANK YOU LISA, HOW WE DESIGNATE THESE POTS OF MONEY.
UM, AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU HOW IT WAS ALLOCATED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR COMPARED TO HOW IT'S ALLOCATED AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
SO WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE? UM, WE'RE KEEPING EVERYTHING PRETTY LEVEL.
THE, THE BULK OF THE CHANGES HAS BEEN TO SET ASIDE A LOT MORE MONEY FOR UPCOMING C I P PROJECTS.
'CAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE A FIRE STATION AND A COURTHOUSE AMONG MANY OTHER REPLACEMENT ITEMS THAT WE BUY OUT OF C I P.
WE'VE GOT SOME BIG COSTS COMING UP.
SO WE ARE PUTTING, WE'VE GONE FROM HOLDING 3 MILLION ASIDE AT THE END OF LAST YEAR TO HOLDING 8 MILLION ASIDE AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 23.
AND WE'VE ALSO PUT AN EXTRA MILLION DOLLARS TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION.
THIS SAYS STUDIES, WE CAN MAKE THAT TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS IN GENERAL, UM, BUT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF BIG NEEDS IN OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE A $700,000 INCREASE TO THE UNASSIGNED.
SO AT THIS POINT, THIS IS JUST RECOMMENDATIONS.
I WILL BRING THIS BACK AT THE END OF OCTOBER OR BEGINNING OF OCTOBER AND HAVE AN OFFICIAL SIGN OFF FROM THE BOARD ON HOW YOU WANT THIS PRESENTED IN OUR AUDIT REPORT.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YEAH, MR. CHAIR, MAYBE BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION JUST TO REVIEW, UM, UM, COUNTY'S IN GREAT FINANCIAL SHAPE AND WE ARE DOING VERY WELL ON OPERATING BASIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, AS SHOWN INDICATED BY THEM, THE SURPLUS.
UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DO KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT SOME EXPENSES THAT LOOM LARGE OUT IN THE OUTER YEARS.
SO EFFECTIVELY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TAKING THE VAST MAJORITY AND VIRTUALLY THE ENTIRE SURPLUS AND SETTING ASIDE FOR FUTURE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES.
UM, SO IT'LL BE THERE IF NEEDED, UH, IN THE FUTURE TO COVER THE, AT LEAST A PORTION OF THOSE COSTS.
SO, SO WITH THAT, I BELIEVE WE'VE GOTTA RECOMMEND, UM, TO THE BOARD THE APPROVAL OF THESE PRELIMINARY ALLOCATIONS OF THE ESTIMATED SURPLUS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023.
UM, AND OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO FURTHER REVIEW ONCE THE NUMBERS ARE FINALIZED.
THIS DOES COME TO THIS BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE.
SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND SINCE THIS IS COMING OUT OF COMMITTEE, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A SECOND, BUT IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I'LL ASK A QUESTION.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE VOTE WE'RE ABOUT TO TAKE? UM, IF YOU HAD ANY DRASTIC CHANGES THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE, I COULD REALLOCATE THAT.
AND OUR AUDITORS COME I THE THIRD WEEK OF SEPTEMBER, AND WE HAVE TO PRESENT THEM WITH A SCHEDULE OF HOW WE WANNA ALLOCATE OUR FUNDS.
AND THIS WOULDN'T COME BACK TO YOU UNTIL AFTER THE AUDITORS HAVE BEEN HERE.
SO IF YOU SEE ANY BIG CHANGES YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO GIVE THEM, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR.
YOU JUST WANT, YOU WANT KIND OF A BOARD SIGN OFF SO YOU DON'T GET SIDE SWIPED BY THE AUDITORS LATER? WELL, OR NO, IF YOU SAID, I DON'T THINK 8 MILLION IS ENOUGH, I THINK WE NEED TO HOLD 20 MILLION ASIDE FOR FUTURE C I P, THEN THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR.
I MEAN, 20 MILLION MIGHT PUT US OUT OF OUR POLICY RANGES, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
UM, AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, THE AGENDA, JUNE 30, UH, WE HAVE SURPLUS FUNDS AND AS PART OF OUR ANNUAL AUDIT, WE SUBMIT TO THE STATE, WE NEED TO INDICATE WHERE THOSE FUNDS ARE BEING ALLOCATED, HOW THEY'RE BEING USED ASSIGNED UNASSIGNED, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THOSE FUNDS.
SO THIS MOTION THEN WOULD BE TO TIME TIMING IS IT NEEDS, IT NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED BEFORE, BEFORE WE GET FINAL NUMBERS.
WE NEED TO SUBMIT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS BOARD
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SIGN OFF BEFORE WE GET FINAL NUMBERS.THERE'LL BE A SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE OR A SECOND CHANCE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.
SO, BUT THIS IS THE BEST THINKING AS OF AS OF NOW.
AND I'M SORRY I MISSED THE AUDIT MEETING, BUT I, I GET IT.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU COMMENTED THAT MOST OF THIS IS GOING TO CAPITAL.
I SEE IT, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 5 MILLION, UM, INCREASE ON THE, ON THE FUTURE C I P PROJECTS.
AGAIN, WE'RE ON A TIGHT TIMEFRAME, BUT HAVE YOU ALLOCATED THAT AMONG THE KNOWN C HAVE YOU ALLOCATED THAT 8 MILLION THAT YOU'RE NOW HOLDING? DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HOW YOU'RE ALLOCATING THAT AMONG THE KNOWN FUTURE C I P PROJECTS? NO.
AFTER F Y 24, YOU'LL ALSO SEE AN INCREASE WHERE IT'S KIND OF MIDDLE OF THE PACK F Y 24 CAPITAL PROJECTS LAST YEAR.
IT'S ALL CONDENSED, THE 4.4 MILLION.
UM, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE F Y 24 AND THE 23 PROPOSED AMOUNT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY COMMITTED TO FOR F Y 24.
THE 8 MILLION THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, THE 4.4 IS WHAT WE'VE COMMITTED TO.
4.4 WAS LAST YEAR'S ABOUT THE 3.9 PLUS THE 4.4, SO THAT'S ABOUT $8 MILLION.
UM, THAT'S ANOTHER DRASTIC INCREASE.
THAT'S ANOTHER 4 MILLION THAT WE'VE COMMITTED.
THOSE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED TO PROJECTS.
THE 8 MILLION THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THOSE ARE JUST WHATEVER WE FORESEE PAST F Y 24 THAT WE WANNA HOLD MONEY ASIDE FOR WHEN WE GET TO OCTOBER.
WILL, WILL THERE BE ANY MORE GRANULAR DETAIL TO THAT? YES, SIR.
THERE WILL, WE CAN, YEAH, WE CAN MAKE IT AS DETAILED AS WE WANT.
AND AGAIN, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, BY ASSIGNING FUNDS, IT'S AVAILABLE FOR REASSIGNMENT.
IT'S NOT RESTRICTED, IT'S JUST EARMARKED GENERALLY FOR THESE PROJECTS.
UH, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE NEEDS IN THE FUTURE AND WE'RE NOT KNOW, MAYBE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE NEEDS IN YEAR THREE OR FOUR ARE, BUT WE WANNA SET SOME MONEY ASIDE JUST 'CAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE NEEDS.
BUT THIS IS AVAILABLE FOR REASSIGNMENT.
IT'S NOT BEING, UH, APPROPRIATED AT ALL.
IT'S, UH, JUST BEING EARMARKED OR, WELL, WELL, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT VAST FLEXIBILITY YOU JUST DESCRIBED WAS SORT OF THE GENESIS OF MY QUESTION.
LIKE WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE VOTE? BUT, BUT I GET IT.
IT, IT COULD ALL GO TO UNSIGN AND THEN FIGURE IT OUT LATER, BUT THE IDEA WAS WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME NEEDS, SO LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY.
MR. PETERSON, I, I'VE GOT SOME LOOKS FROM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU PLEASE MAKE A MOTION, MR. SURE.
MR. MAKE SURE WE'RE MR. CHAIR.
UH, UH, I MOVE THAT THE GUTZON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE JUNE 30TH, 2023 PRELIMINARY FUND BALANCE ASSIGNMENTS AS PRESENTED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO, UM, BOARD, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE INTO CLOSED SESSION.
[XII. Closed Meeting & Certification: Motion to convene a Closed Meeting, as permitted by Virginia Code § 2.2-3711(A)(1)]
I MOVE THAT WE MOVE INTO CLOSED SESSION.IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT, UNFORTUNATELY.
THEY, THEY DON'T WANT, WE'LL GO.
I'LL, I'LL GO IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 2.2 3 7 11 A ONE, I MOVE THAT THE GLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE MEETING FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING THE PERFORMANCE AND DUTIES OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
IN DISCUSSION, ROLL CALL VOTE.
WE ARE IN CLOSED SESSION, THANK YOU'S.
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MEETING OF THE GMAN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.THANKS FOR EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE ACCOMMODATION ON OUR SCHEDULE.
WE ARE PLEASED TO PUSH THIS BACK A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE COULD SUPPORT THE DEPUTIES AND THE SHERIFF'S NIGHT OUT.
AND IT WAS A ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC EVENT.
JUST ONE OF THE GREAT EXAMPLES OF WHY THIS IS SUCH A GREAT COMMUNITY.
UM, OUR FIRST ITEM IN BUSINESS IS OUR CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
UH, THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, UH, PRIOR TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS IS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE
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NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR, BUT IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND ADDRESS, UM, ANY ISSUES THAT ARE GERMANE TO GLAND COUNTY.SO I, WHEN I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I WOULD ASK IF YOU, UH, WISH TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
PLEASE COME UP, UH, MAKE SURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON THE, THE MICROPHONE, WHICH IS ON, ON THE BASE OF THE MICROPHONE.
AND, UH, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND TRY TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AT THAT.
I'LL OPEN THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
COULD YOU PLEASE TURN THE MIC ON RIGHT, RIGHT DOWN THE BOTTOM ON THE BASE.
MY NAME'S STEVE LEVITT AND I LIVE AT 70 36 BEN HALL CIRCLE.
I'VE BECOME VERY DISILLUSIONED OVER THE MANNER IN WHICH THE GLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION OPERATE.
IT SEEMS THAT THE FEELINGS EXPRESSED BY CITIZENS DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE SUMMARILY DISCOUNTED.
I HAVE STOOD BEFORE THIS BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT CITIZENS SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
DURING THE PROJECT, ROCKY DELIBERATIONS I DEVELOPED IN PRESENTED A DETAILED ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS.
MY RESEARCH WAS SUPPORTED BY AN EXPERT IN AIR QUALITY FROM V C U AS WELL AS TWO PHYSICIANS, A NURSE, AND AN EDUCATOR.
IT HAD NOT BEEN REVIEWED BY THE BOARD COUNTY STAFF OR THE APPLICANT.
WITH SUCH COMPELLING NEW DATA POINTING TO POTENTIAL HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT, ANY REASONABLE PERSON WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO EXAMINE IT AND TO UNDERSTAND IT.
PRIOR TO VOTING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
THE CONCERNS RAISED BY MYSELF AND FIVE EXPERTS WERE SUMMARILY DISMISSED AND THE PROPOSAL WAS PASSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT ANY COST.
THE SAME MENTALITY WAS REITERATED LAST MONTH WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO RECOMMEND A ZONING REQUEST, WHICH WILL COME BEFORE THIS BOARD TONIGHT.
THE REQUEST WAS OPPOSED BY THE CITIZENS OF DISTRICT FOUR WHO EXPRESSED VALID CONCERNS.
THE DISTRICT FOUR COMMISSIONER, HOWEVER, VOTED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
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THE MEETING, I APPROACHED THIS COMMISSIONER AND ASKED HIM WHY IN EVERY INSTANCE WHERE THE CITIZENS HE REPRESENTS OPPOSE SOMETHING, HE VOTES TO APPROVE IT.HIS RESPONSE WAS VERY TELLING.
IT FITS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
EVALUATING A PROPOSAL WHICH FITS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT IT'S A GOOD FIT FOR THE COUNTY AND THE CITIZENS WHO MUST LIVE WITH IT.
DISREGARDING CITIZEN CONCERNS IS IRRESPONSIBLE.
THERE'S A COMMENT FLOATING AROUND THE INTERNET REGARDING GLAND'S LEADERSHIP.
IT SAYS, AND I QUOTE, SOMEONE SEEMS TO HAVE DECIDED THAT THE COUNTY WILL BE RULED, NOT GOVERNED.
I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT TO YOU AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE LOST YOUR WAY BY PRIORITIZING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ABOVE THE CITIZENS YOU REPRESENT.
LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS, TAKE THEM IN.
CONSIDER THAT WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASPECTS.
ANYONE, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO COME FORTH AND SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING? YES, MY NAME'S TERRY PITTS.
I LIVE AT 30 13 PITT DRIVE DOWN IN GLAND COURTHOUSE.
I'VE BEEN LIVING IN GLAND COURTHOUSE OFF AND ON SINCE 1965.
THE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE HAS BEEN HORRENDOUS TO GO THROUGH THAT PAST THE SPEED LIMIT OVER 35.
MATTER OF FACT, I HAD A GREAT DAY.
I USED TO HAVE ACROSS THE FIELD RIGHT THERE AND GOT HIT IN DAYLIGHT HOURS BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE GOING TOO FAST AND KI GOT KILLED.
SAME THING, FEEL ON EACH SIDE GOT HIT.
IF YOU CAN'T SEE A A DEER, YOU SHOULDN'T BE DRIVING ON THE HIGHWAY.
AND I IMPLORE Y'ALL TO EITHER HAVE RADAR SET UP LIKE ARIZONA, THEY'VE GOT AUTOMATIC RADAR THAT SETS UP ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD TO CATCH WHOEVER SPEEDS THROUGH THE COUNTY.
PLUS THAT'LL HELP Y'ALL RAISE SOME MONEY IF SOMEBODY SPEEDS
BUT, BUT YEAH, Y'ALL NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PEOPLE SPEEDING THROUGH THERE.
UM, ONE OF THESE DAYS A CHILD'S GONNA COME DOWN ONE OF THOSE THINGS AND GET HIT BY A CAR AND Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, FEEL SORRY ABOUT Y'ALL DIDN'T CHANGE IT DOWN MAYBE TO 25 MILES AN HOUR.
A LOT OF TOWNS I'VE GONE THROUGH THE SPEED LIMITS.
SO, BUT ANYWAYS, I GOT OTHER THINGS, BUT I AIN'T GONNA HOLD Y'ALL UP TONIGHT, SO, ALRIGHT, THANKS A LOT.
ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE COMMENTS.
WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING BOARD ON THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED
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A DEFERRAL.SO, BOARD, DO I HAVE A MOTION?
[1. 5772: District 4 - RZ-2023-00006 Application by Andrew Raymond Moore Applicant has requested a deferral.]
NO.YOU WANNA AT LEAST ANNOUNCE THE CASE AND SURE.
IT'S THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR DISTRICT FOUR REZONING 2023 DASH 0 0 0 6.
UM, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD DEFER CONSIDERATION OF REZONING CASE RZ 20 23 0 0 0 6 FOR 16.05.
NINE ACRES ON TAX MAP NUMBER 46 DASH ONE DASH ZERO ONE DASH A FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, ALSO KNOWN AS A TWO TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS R ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023.
MS. ETTE, WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THE DEFERRAL REQUEST? GOOD EVENING.
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, CRYSTAL NIDA, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IN SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY MEETING AS WELL AS, UM, FEEDBACK OBTAINED THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY ARE ASSESSING THEIR PROPOSED APPLICATION AND LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES, UM, BASED ON CONCERNS, UM, CITED FOR DENSITY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? VOTE YES.
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MR. SS BOHA? YES.ITEM'S BEEN DEFERRED ONTO OUR SECOND, UM, OUR ITEM, WHICH I BELIEVE OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, MS. MCGEE, WILL BE TAKING
[2. 5763: Countywide - Ordinance amending County Code Chapter 13 (Taxation)]
US THROUGH.MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BEFORE YOU.
TONIGHT IS A PROPOSAL TO AMEND YOUR, UH, GLAND COUNTY CODE IN THE TAXATION CHAPTER ARTICLE ONE IN ORDER TO, UM, REQUIRE THAT CERTAIN TAX EXEMPT ENTITIES FILE AN APPLICATION EVERY THREE YEARS TO RETAIN THE TAX EXEMPT STATUS FOR THEIR REAL PROPERTY OR VEHICLES IN GULA COUNTY.
LEMME START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
THIS PROJECT, UH, HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT THE PAST TWO YEARS.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE OFFICE OF THE REAL ESTATE ASSESSOR, MARYANNE DAVIS, WHO'S PRESENT AS WELL AS THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUES OFFICE, WHO OVERSEES PERSONAL PROPERTY.
AND WE STARTED OFF JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE SOURCE OF TAX EXEMPTIONS FOR REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY AND INTO THE COUNTY.
MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT EVERY NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION IS EXEMPT FROM ALL TAXES, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE IDENTIFIED BY THE I R S AS A C THREE ORGANIZATION.
I R S ISSUES AN EXEMPTION THAT IS VALID AS TO INCOME TAXES, BUT IT IS NOT NECESSARILY APPLIED TO OTHER TYPES OF TAXES IN VIRGINIA, ONLY CERTAIN CATEGORIES OF NONPROFIT ENTITIES CAN BE EXEMPT FROM REAL PROPERTY AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.
THE VIRGINIA CONSTITUTION IDENTIFIES CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, NONPROFIT CEMETERIES, AND THEN A CATEGORY OTHER RELIGIOUS, CHARITABLE AND BENEVOLENT ORGANIZATIONS AS TAX EXEMPT.
OVER THE YEARS, THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS IDENTIFIED CATEGORIES OF ENTITIES THAT THEY BELIEVE FALL WITHIN THAT OTHER RELIGIOUS, CHARITABLE, AND BENEVOLENT ORGANIZATIONS.
UM, AND THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE YMCAS, UH, HOSPITALS, BOY SCOUTS, VOLUNTEER FIRE, AND E M S AND MANY OTHER CATEGORIES.
IN ADDITION, THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY OVER THE COURSE OF 20 YEARS, GRANTED A THOUSAND INDIVIDUAL DESIGNATIONS OF TAX EXEMPTION TO INDIVIDUALLY NAMED ORGANIZATIONS.
AND ONE OF THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT'S BENEFITED FROM THAT IS GLAND CARES.
GLAND CARES HAS A DESIGNATION FROM THE JUNIOR GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
SO IN VIRGINIA, YOU HAVE TO BE IN A CATEGORY AND OR HAVE RECEIVED A DESIGNATION FROM THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR EXEMPTION FROM REAL OR UM, PERSONAL PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE OTHER CAVEAT IS, UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, THE PROPERTY THAT CAN BE EXEMPT HAS TO BE ACTIVELY AND EXCLUSIVELY IN USE BY YOU FOR YOUR NONPROFIT PURPOSE.
SO THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE THAT HAS TO COME INTO PLAY.
GLAND HAS NOT TAXED, UM, ELIGIBLE TAX EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS, THEIR REAL PROPERTY OR PERSONAL PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE COUNTY.
THE ASSESSOR, MS. DAVIS, HAS, UH, ACCOUNTS FOR 74 NONPROFIT ENTITIES WITH REAL ESTATE VALUED AT $248 MILLION, UM, THAT SHE HAS NOT TAXED.
UH, IN GLAND COUNTY, THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE HAS ACCOUNTS FOR 45 TAX EXEMPT ENTITIES.
SOME OF THOSE, MANY OF THOSE MAY BE SOME OF THE SAME ENTITIES THAT THE COMMISSION THAT THE ASSESSOR HAS.
AND SHE'S GOT VEHICLES VALUED AT $912,000 THAT HAVE BEEN CARRIED AS TAX EXEMPT.
WE INTEND TO CONTINUE TO CARRY THESE AS TAX EXEMPT.
TODAY'S ACTION IS SIMPLY TO COLLECT THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION TO ALLOW THE COUNTY TO DEMONSTRATE TO ITSELF, TO ANY TAXPAYERS THE ENTITLEMENT TO THOSE EXEMPTIONS.
AND I LIKEN WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT TO THE COUNTY'S OTHER TAX RELIEF PROGRAMS. IF YOU OWN PROPERTY THAT HAS A TAX, UH, RELIEF FROM LAND USE, YOU FILE AN ANNUAL APPLICATION.
IF YOUR PROPERTY IS, UM, EXEMPT FROM THE ELDERLY OR DISABLED TAX RELIEF, AN ANNUAL APPLICATION AS REQUIRED.
AND EVEN OUR VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS WHO GET TAX RELIEF ON THEIR VEHICLES ARE REQUIRED TO ANNUALLY BE CERTIFIED THAT THEY ARE ELIGIBLE.
SO ALL OF THOSE ALREADY HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS JUST TO COLLECT THE INFORMATION AND SO THAT YOU CAN SHOW TO YOUR CITIZENS.
WE GRANT EXEMPTIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE APPROPRIATE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEEDED, THEY'RE APPROPRIATE UNDER THE LAW.
AND THIS IS JUST TRYING TO BRING THE NONPROFIT TAX IN LINE WITH THESE OTHER PROGRAMS. UM, IT SUPPORTS THE COUNTY VALUE OF BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
SO IN COMING UP WITH THIS ORDINANCE, WE HELD A STAKEHOLDER MEETING IN MAY.
WE HAD GOOD TURNOUT, PRETTY MUCH FILLED THIS ROOM, AND THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE AND THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND I, UM, HANDED OUT A DRAFT APPLICATION.
UH, WE HAD MODELED OVER MANY OTHER APPLICATIONS IN OTHER LOCALITIES AND TOOK FEEDBACK FROM THE FOLKS WHO IT, IT WOULD IMPACT WHO RUN THESE NON-PROFITS, WHO ASSIST WITH THEM.
AND WE GOT A LOT OF REALLY GREAT FEEDBACK.
LIKE, EIGHT PAGES IS TOO LONG, IT'S ONEROUS.
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FROM BOY SCOUTS SAID, PLEASE DON'T ASK ME TO LIST EVERY SINGLE ITEM OF PERSONAL PROPERTY, EVERY PADDLE, EVERY KAYAK, AND EVERY, YOU KNOW, LIFE PRESERVER.WE LISTENED TO THOSE CONCERNS AND WE MADE CHANGES AND WE MODIFIED WHAT WE WERE WORKING ON SO THAT WE WOULD SIMPLIFY IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO.
WHILE WE WANNA HAVE THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION, WE DON'T WANNA HAVE AN ONEROUS BURDEN ON OUR NONPROFITS WHO ARE HERE TO DO GOOD FOR GLAND COUNTY RESIDENTS.
IN RESPONSE TO THOSE CONCERNED, OUR APPLICATION BECAME MUCH SIMPLER.
IT NOW HAS ONE PAGE OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE NON, THE EXEMPTIONS, ONE PAGE WHERE YOU SIGN AND CERTIFY, AND TWO PAGES YOU'RE ASKED TO COMPLETE WITH INFORMATION.
WE ALSO CREATED A FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, PAIGE, BASED ON THE QUESTIONS WE HEARD FROM OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND CONVERSATIONS SINCE THEN.
AND WE POSTED BOTH OF THOSE TO OUR WEBSITE.
AND THEN WE SENT THEM OUT IN EARLY JULY TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAD GIVEN US THEIR EMAILS FROM THE MEETING AND SAID, HERE ARE THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE.
WE'RE STILL OPEN TO YOUR FEEDBACK.
AND SINCE THEN WE'VE TALKED TO MATTER, SPOKE WITH PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS AND HEAR THEIR CONCERNS, AND WE CONTINUE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THEIR CONCERNS.
I SPOKE WITH A RESIDENT, UH, JUST LAST WEEK AND MADE A CHANGE TO THE APPLICATION TODAY BEFORE IT WAS, UH, PREPARED TO POTENTIAL, UM, UH, BEING A FINAL DOCUMENT.
SO SHOULD THE ORDINANCE PASS TONIGHT THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO BE RESPONSIVE? IN FACT, IT, WE WOULD, UH, WE HAVE PLANNED AN APPLICATION WORKSHOP IN MID-AUGUST TO AGAIN, MEET WITH STAKEHOLDERS, HELP THEM THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO BEFORE YOU, TONIGHT IS AN ORDINANCE THAT IF YOU WERE TO PASS IT WOULD REQUIRE THOSE APPROXIMATELY 75, MAYBE THERE'S 80 ENTITIES THAT ARE QUALIFIED NONPROFITS UNDER VIRGINIA TAX LAW TO COMPLETE THIS SHORTER APPLICATION.
IT GIVES THEM TILL THE END OF THIS YEAR TO DO SO.
OR ALSO TELLS THEM THAT THEY CAN COME IN AND GET HELP FROM US OR AN APPLICATION PRO WORKSHOP.
THEY CAN COME IN AND HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENT.
AND IF THEY WILL FILE EARLIER THAN THAT, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE MORE TIME TO SORT OF CONSIDER, BECAUSE THIS IS THE YEAR WE WOULD GET A BUNCH OF INFORMATION FROM THOSE ENTITIES THREE YEARS FROM NOW, BECAUSE THIS APPLICATION HAS ALLOWED, THIS ORDINANCE HAS ALLOWED UNDER STATE LAW, UM, YOU, UH, IS AN EVERY THREE YEAR.
THE FOLKS THAT FILE THIS YEAR WOULD SIMPLY BE ASKED IN A FORM REPORT ANY CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
AND MANY OF OUR NONPROFITS WON'T HAVE HAD ANY CHANGES TO HOW THEY USE THEIR PROPERTY OR WHAT THEY OWN IN GLAND COUNTY.
SO IT'LL BECOME SIGNIFICANTLY EASIER, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT FOR THEM.
UM, I'VE CHANGED THE ORDINANCE SEND THE, SINCE THE COUNTY'S REQUEST TO SET LAST MONTH TO AGAIN, LIMIT AND MAKE MORE CLEAR THE NARROWNESS OF ITS SCOPE.
IF YOU ARE AN ENTITY THAT'S EN, UH, ELIGIBLE UNDER THE VIRGINIA CODE FOR THAT REAL ESTATE OR PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION, IT TELLS YOU ONLY IF YOU OWN REAL PROPERTY OR YOUR GARAGE VEHICLES IN THIS COUNTY DO YOU NEED TO COMPLETE THIS.
UM, IT'S NOT EVERY NONPROFIT, UM, THE OTHER NONPROFITS ALREADY HAVE, CAN HAVE EXEMPT PERSONAL PROPERTY WITHOUT COMPLETING THIS APPLICATION.
UM, BUT I'VE NARROWED IT IN THAT WAY SINCE YOU SAW IT AT YOUR LAST MEETING.
AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE AND TO BE, UH, AS LIGHT A TOUCH OF THE HAND OF GOVERNMENT THAT I CAN, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE FOR GLAND COUNTY.
ANY QUESTIONS BOARD FOR MS. MCGEE AT THIS TIME? I'M SORRY.
I WASN'T, BUT I'LL SEND MY LETTERS ON.
I'LL ASK THE, THE CODE SECTION THAT WE, I SEE WE'RE ADDING 13.2 13 DASH 3.2 13.
UM, IT SAYS WITHIN 60 DAYS PRIOR TO THE TAX YEAR, FORCE AND EXEMPTION IS SOUGHT.
UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE CON ARE THERE CONSEQUENCES IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T SUBMIT THE APPLICATION TIMELY, YOU JUST, YOU LOSE THE EXEMPTION FOR THE, FOR THE YEAR OR FOR THREE YEARS OR THE, THE, UM, IN OPERATIONALLY, UH, THIS WILL BE HANDLED BY THE ASSESSORS IN THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUES OFFICE, THE WAY THEY HANDLE OTHER APPLICATIONS.
IF, UH, FOR INSTANCE, A LAND USE APPLICATION IS LATE, I KNOW THAT THE FIRST THING THAT OUR REAL ESTATE ASSESSOR DOES IS TRY AND CONTACT THE INDIVIDUALS AND FIND OUT, REACH OUT SPECIFICALLY TO FIND OUT IS THERE PROBLEMS, IS THERE A REASON THEY HAVEN'T? AND TO GRANT PEOPLE WHO HAVE A REAL ISSUE.
FOR INSTANCE, AGAIN, FOR LAND USE, RECENTLY THERE'S PROPERTY TIED UP WITH THE HEIRS OF AN ESTATE.
SO WE TRY FIRST TO WORK WITH PEOPLE, FIND OUT WHAT THE SITUATION IS, GIVE THEM MORE INFORMATION.
SHOULD HOWEVER SOMEONE SIMPLY FAIL OR BE UNWILLING TO FILE IT, THEN I THINK WE MIGHT TAKE THE APPROACH THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE EXEMPT THAT YEAR, BUT THEY COULD FILE IT AT ANY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS FROM NOW, RIGHT? THEY COULD WALK IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, MONTH.
THEY COULD WALK IN NEXT YEAR AND FILE IT.
SO, BUT THE SENTENCE DOES SAY AN APPLICATION FORM FURNISHED BY THE ASSESSOR OR THE COMMISSIONER MUST BE COMPLETED AND FILED WITHIN 60 DAYS PRIOR TO THE TAX YEAR.
BUT THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOU THE OFFICES FROM WORKING WITH FOLKS.
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THEY DO WITH THE OTHER PROCESSES NOW.I'M NOT A WORDSMITH HERE, BUT, UM, WHEN I JUST HEARD MY COLLEAGUE, UM, FILED WITHIN A 60 DAY PERIOD, DO THEY HAVE TO FILE DURING THAT 60 DAY PERIOD OR PRIOR TO 60 DAYS BEFORE THE STATE LAW? IT, THAT LANGUAGE ABOUT THE TIMING IS FROM THE STATE, STATE LAW.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT APPLICATIONS BEFORE THE END OF THE 60 DAYS BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY COMPRESSED TIMEFRAME FOR US TO DO THE VERY FIRST ONE.
BUT THEY ALSO, SO THIS IS STATE LAW LANGUAGE, WE'RE GONNA ACCEPT IT EARLIER, BUT THEY ALSO ARE, ARE PERFECTLY LEGALLY PERMITTED TO WAIT AND FILE DECEMBER 31ST.
SO I'M INTERPRETING IT PROPERLY TO READ THAT THEY NEED TO FILE DURING THAT 60 DAY PERIOD AS OPPOSED TO NO LATER THAN 60 DAYS PRIOR.
YOU ARE READING IT THAT IT IS, THE STATE LAW IS WRITTEN TO GET THOSE APPLICATIONS IN, IN SAY, THE MONTHS OF NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.
AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE'RE PLANNING TO SEND OUT APPLICATIONS SHOULD YOU ACT FAVORABLY ON THIS AS EARLY AS TOMORROW, AND TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO SUBMIT THEM TO US, SAY BY THE END OF OCTOBER, SO THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THEM IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
BUT SHOULD THEY WAIT TILL DECEMBER 31ST, THEY'RE STILL ELIGIBLE FOR THAT TO BE CONSIDERED FOR AN EXEMPTION STARTING IN 2024.
SO THIS PROPOSES THAT WE COMPORT WITH STATE LAW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. WHEAT? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU'LL JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I RESIDE AT 1980 HAWK TOWN ROAD IN MAIDENS.
I ALSO HAPPEN TO BE THE TRUSTEE OF DOVER BAPTIST CHURCH IN MANNEQUIN CONSTITUTED IN 1773.
I AM HERE TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS WITH THIS PRO PROPOSAL TO CREATE THE APPLICATION PROCESS, WHICH INCLUDES CHURCHES SHOWING THE OWNERSHIP AND USAGE OF THE PROPERTY AS A REQUIREMENT FOR RETENTION OF TAX EXEMPT STATUS.
UM, TITLE 58 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA PROVIDES TAX EXEMPTION FOR REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNED FOR CHURCHES OR RELIGIOUS BODIES AND EXCLUSIVELY KEYWORD OCCUPIED OR USED FOR RELIGIOUS WORSHIP OR THE RESIDENTS OF THE MINISTER OF ANY CHURCH OR RELIGIOUS BODY IN SUCH ADDITIONAL ADJACENT LAND, REASONABLY NECESSARY FOR THE CONVENIENT USE OF ANY SUCH PROPERTY.
DURING THE MAY Q AND A HELD WITH VARIOUS NONPROFIT GROUPS IN THE COUNTY, I EXPRESSED SEVERAL CONCERNS, WHICH I APPRECIATE, UH, BEING HEARD ABOUT THE ONEROUS THAT WAS ME EIGHT PAGE DRAFT APPLICATION.
UM, AND SO I DO APPRECIATE THE SHORTENED UH, APPLICATION.
HOWEVER, I DO STILL HAVE CONCERNS WITH A CHURCH'S RELIGIOUS RULES OR PRACTICES POTENTIALLY BEING SUBJECT TO VERIFICATION BY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
SECTION ONE OF THE APPLICATION, THOUGH IT HAS BEEN MODIFIED SOMEWHAT, UM, REQUIRES BYLAWS, ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION.
WHILE THIS REQUIREMENT MAY NOT BE A, A CONCERN FOR SOME ENTITIES, UH, A CHURCH'S BYLAWS OFTEN INCLUDE THE FELLOWSHIP'S STATEMENT OF FAITH, WHICH OUTLINES BIBLICAL STANDARDS FOR LIVING.
THESE DOCUMENTS HOLD A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW, WHICH IS INCONSISTENT AND IN CONFLICT WITH TODAY'S CULTURE AND WHAT IS EVEN LEGALLY ALLOWED TODAY.
A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL SHOULD NOT BE THE ARBITER OF WHETHER A CHURCH'S REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY RETAINS TAX EXEMPT STATUS, ESPECIALLY IF THAT GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL'S VIEWS ARE IN CONFLICT WITH THE CHURCHES.
I DID HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SPEAKING WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY RECENTLY AND SHARED.
SHE SHARED A RECENT CASE THAT ADDRESSED THE USE OF A CHURCH'S PARSONAGE.
IN THAT CASE, THE JUDGE GRANTED THE PUBLIC ENTITY'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT FINDING THAT THE CHURCH'S PARSONAGE WAS NOT TAX EXEMPT BECAUSE THE YOUTH MINISTERS WERE NOT THE MINISTER OF THE CHURCH AS REQUIRED UNDER VIRGINIA CODE 58 1 36 0 6, THOUGH THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES DECLINED THE HEAR PARTICULAR CASE, JUSTICE GOR ISSUED A DISSENT FROM THE DENIAL OF THE WRIT TO QUOTE THE JUSTICE.
THE CITY HAS ARGUED THAT THE CHURCH IS NOT ENTITLED TO A TAX CREDIT BECAUSE IT MISUNDERSTANDS WHO QUALIFIES AS A MINISTER IN ITS OWN FAITH TRADITION.
TO DEVELOP THIS ARGUMENT, THE CITY CONDUCTED EXTENSIVE DISCOVERY INTO THE CHURCH'S PRACTICES AND IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME, I'M JUST GONNA FINISH WITH A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FROM THE JUSTICE.
THE FRAMERS OF OUR CONSTITUTION WERE ACUTELY AWARE HOW GOVERNMENTS IN EUROPE HAD SOUGHT TO CONTROL AND MANIPULATE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES IN CHURCHES.
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THAT AMERICA WE BE DIFFERENT.THIS CASE MAY BE SMALL, BUT ONE CAN HOPE THAT THE ERROR HERE IS SO OBVIOUS THAT IT UN THAT IS UNLIKELY TO BE REPEATED ANYTIME SOON.
THE BUREAUCRATIC EFFORTS TO SUBJECT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS TO VER VERIFICATION HAVE NO PLACE IN A FREE COUNTRY.
AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE AND RESPECT THE COUNTY'S NEED TO DOCUMENT PROPERTY AND ITS TAX EXEMPT STATUS, ASKING A CHURCH TO TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTS A COMP PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF PROPERTY OR EVEN PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS SEEMS LIKE A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
IF YOU CAN WRAP IT UP, PLEASE.
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.
FINALLY, THE GENERAL INSTRUCTIONS INDICATE THAT STAFF MAY DO FIELD VERIFICATION INSPECTIONS OF YOUR PROPERTY.
AND SO I DO INVITE ALL OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND EVERYONE HERE TO COME TO DOVER.
WE ARE HAVING A REVIVAL BEGINNING THIS THURSDAY, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU THERE.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? JONATHAN LYLE, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD ROAD.
UM, I ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH THE, UH, COUNTY ATTORNEY AND, UH, I WAS GETTING PHONE CALLS, UH, I MEAN A CONSERVATION DIRECTOR GETTING PHONE CALLS ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS KIND OF SURPRISING, BUT, UH, MS. MCGEE WAS VERY RECEPTIVE AND I APPRECIATE HOW IT HAS BEEN SKINNY DOWN TO WHERE IT IS REAL PROPERTY AND VEHICLES.
AND, AND MY HOPE IS THAT A LETTER FROM THE I R S THAT SAYS THIS IS A 5 0 1 C THREE OR OTHER STATE RECOGNIZED DOCUMENT PLUS A LIST OF THOSE REAL PROPERTIES OR VEHICLES THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO SEE TAXED.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE BENEFIT IS WE'RE NOT TAXING IT.
NOW, TELL US THE REAL PROPERTY AND THE VEHICLES YOU DON'T WANT US TO TAX.
AND IF YOU CAN MAKE IT THAT SIMPLE, HERE ARE THE VEHICLES WE DON'T WANT YOU TO TAX.
HERE'S OUR LETTER FROM THE I R S OR WHATEVER AUTHORIZED IN, UM, ORGANIZATION SAYS YOU ARE TAX EXEMPT.
THAT MAKES IT A WHOLE LOT EASIER.
SO I DO UNDERSTAND IN LAND USE EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT YOUR REAL PROPERTY THAT IS IN LAND USE TO BENEFIT FROM THE TAX RATES FOR LAND USE.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I I'M GONNA HAVE TO READ THIS 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA HAVE IT MEMORIZED, BUT JAMES MADISON SAID, THIS POWER OVER THE PURSE MAY IN FACT BE REGARDED AS THE MOST COMPLETE AND EFFECTUAL WEAPON WITH WHICH ANY CONSTITUTION CAN ARM THE PEOPLE'S IMMEDIATE REPRESENTATIVES.
SO THE POWER OF THE PURSE, THE ABILITY TO TAX IS PROBABLY THE MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON ANY GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION CAN HAVE.
I HAVE A LOT OF TRUST IN THIS BOARD THAT YOU WILL USE THIS VERY SPARINGLY AND MAKE IT AS ABSOLUTELY SIMPLE AS CAN BE FOR THOSE ORGANIZATIONS DOING GREAT WORK IN THE COUNTY, THE NOT-FOR-PROFITS TO NOT GET TAXED ON THEIR REAL PROPERTY AND THEIR VEHICLES.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? OKAY.
MS. MCGEE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANYTHING YOU HEARD? UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO.
I APPRECIATE, UM, BOTH MS. ROE AND MR. LAU, UM, TALKING AND, AND THERE ARE FOLKS THAT I WAS ABLE TO, UM, SPEAK WITH.
IN FACT, AS MS. RO KNOWS, I SENT HER ALL THE INFORMATION.
'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE PARSONAGE CASE.
UM, BUT THE, BUT BASED ON THAT CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH HER ON BEHALF OF DOBER BAPTIST, MY I, UM, CHANGED THE APPLICATION EVEN TODAY.
SO THAT IN THE USED TO SAY, SEND US YOUR, YOUR GOVERNING DOCUMENTS, YOUR BYLAWS AND, UM, ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION THE APPLICATION TODAY.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT I PROVIDED HER THE COPY OF IT JUST NOW WHEN WE SPOKE, SAYS, PROVIDE THE COPIES OF YOUR PUBLICLY FILED GOVERNING DOCUMENTS, AND THEN THERE'S AN ASTERISK.
AND THAT ASTERISK SAYS, IF YOUR ORGANIZATION DOESN'T HAVE PUBLICLY FILED GOVERNING DOCUMENTS, THEN CONTACT THE DEPARTMENT OF REAL ESTATE TO OBTAIN AN ADDITIONAL FORM TO COMPLETE.
BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE A WAY FOR US TO HAVE THEM CERTIFY THEIR ENTITLEMENT TO IT WITHOUT PROVIDING US ALL OF THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
AND SO AS SOON AS SHE EXPRESSED TO ME HER CONCERN THAT SOME CHURCHES DON'T HAVE PUBLIC, I MADE THAT CHANGE TO THE APPLICATION.
AND SO INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PROVIDE US A DOCUMENT THAT THEY CONSIDER FAITH, PERSONAL AND STATEMENT OF THEIR BELIEF, INSTEAD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THEM, UM, BE ABLE TO CERTIFY TO THE INFORMATION THAT THAT WOULD TAKE THE PLACE OF.
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THAT JUST TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE, UM, TO THOSE THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS.UH, THIS APPLICATION PROCESS IS, UM, IN, UM, UM, WE DIDN'T DO A BENCHMARKING ACROSS ALL OF THE COMMONWEALTH, BUT IN AT LEAST A DOZEN DIFFERENT, UH, PLACES THAT WE CHECKED ANYWHERE FROM THE FOLKS AROUND US, LIKE HENRICO, CHESTERFIELD, THE CITY OF RICHMOND TO LOUISA COUNTY AND COPA COUNTY.
IT'S NOT JUST THE FAIRFAX AND LOUDOUN'S WHO ALSO HAVE IT, BUT ALSO DONE OUT IN THE CITY OF ROANOKE COUNTY.
WE DIDN'T EVER TRY TO CHECK ALL 95 LOCALITIES, BUT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING FOR APPLICATIONS AND PROCESSES AND ORDINANCES, WE WENT OUT IN SEARCH OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD WE FIND.
SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO SOMETHING CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER TAX EXEMPTIONS, AND WE ARE DOING IT IN A WAY, TRYING TO BE JUST AS RESPECTFUL AS WE CAN TO THE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS OF THEIR WORKLOAD AND OF THEIR PRIVACY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. MCGEE? MS. LASETTE? UM, I JUST HAVE ONE, MS. MCGEE.
SO IF AN ORGANIZATION IS, UH, HAS AN I R S LETTER 5 0 1 C THREE DESIGNATION, THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY THAT, THAT'S FOR INCOME TAX, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
SO THAT'S ALL THAT THAT DESIGNATION APPLIES TO.
WELL, WE WILL TAKE THAT AS EVIDENCE THAT THEY OUGHT TO BE TAX EXEMPT.
LIKE AT, AT THAT WE, WE ASK IF YOU HAVE A LETTER OF DETERMINATION, CHECK THIS BOX AND SEND IT TO US.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR ABILITY TO BE TAX EXEMPT.
THEN WE JUST, AS LONG AS YOU'RE IN ONE OF THE CATEGORIES.
YOU DO STILL HAVE TO BE AT CHURCH OR A Y M C A OR ONE OF THE CATEGORIES.
AND THEN ALL WE ASK IS, UM, A PICTURE, A SKETCH, ANYTHING OF YOUR PROPERTY.
JUST SHOW US THAT YOU'RE USING THAT FOR YOUR NONPROFIT PURPOSES.
AND AGAIN, IT STARTED OFF AS LIKE, GIVE US A SURVEY.
PRINT OFF A G I S PHOTO OF IT, DRAW ON IT AND JUST SHOW US.
WE HAVE OUR CHURCH AND OUR PARKING, AND WE HAVE A PLAYGROUND, AND THIS FIVE ACRES IS FOR OUR NON-PROFIT.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND, AND I'M, I'M HAVING SOME FLASHBACKS TO JANUARY, 2015 WHEN I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD TAKING THE CHAIRMANSHIP FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND WE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT HOMESCHOOL EXEMPTIONS AND, AND THE INTRUSIVENESS OF THIS GOVERNING BODY INTO WHAT, WHAT THE ENTITY IS OR SOMEBODY'S RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
IF I UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD THE CON A CONCERN EXPRESSED IS IT, IS IT THAT WE'RE PUTTING OURSELVES IN A POSITION TO START QUESTIONING WHAT'S A CHURCH OR WHAT'S A RELIGIOUS BODY IF, IF, UM, BECAUSE THE CODE THAT THE STATE CODE THAT YOU CITED, I MEAN, AND THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I WAS GOING AT EARLIER, MY EARLIER QUESTION.
THE PROPERTY IS EXEMPT WHETHER THE THE STATE CODE SAYS SHALL BE EXEMPT.
SO IT'S EXEMPT WHETHER THEY PUT IN AN APPLICATION OR NOT.
IT'S, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE THAT EXEMPTION.
IS IT NOT? I MEAN, IF THEY'RE A RELIGIOUS CHURCH OR RELIGIOUS BODY, UM, THEIR PROPERTY'S EXEMPT.
THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE DOCUMENT THAT FACT FOR OUR, FOR OUR INTERPRETATION? Y YES.
AND AGAIN, THE CHURCH OF RELIGIOUS BODY IS EXEMPT.
AND THEN AS YOU READ IT, IT TALKS ABOUT BEING ACTIVELY IN USE FOR THEIR NONPROFIT PURPOSE.
AND THEN THE RESIDENTS FOR THE MINISTER.
AGAIN, WE ALL THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY SIMPLE UNTIL THIS CASE THAT CAME OUTTA THE CITY OF FREDERICKSBURG, THAT, THAT I SHARED WITH MS. RAO, WHERE THEY MADE A DIFFERENT DETERMINATION AND DUG INTO WHO WAS OR WAS NOT A MINISTER.
THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING WE WERE AWARE OF.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO DIG UP.
BUT BEING A CHURCH AND THEN MAKING THE PROPERTY IN USE FOR YOUR NONPROFIT PURPOSE, THE, THOSE ARE LIKE THE ONLY THINGS YOU HAVE TO, TO DO.
SO THAT, THAT'S ALL WE'RE, BUT OF COURSE, I GUESS THE CONCERN OF THE SPEAKERS IS IF WE WANTED TO, WE COULD START GETTING INTO INTERPRETATION OF ARE YOU A CHURCH OR, OR EVEN MORE DIFFICULT, ARE YOU A RELIGIOUS BODY? BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHERS, CHURCH AND RELIGIOUS BODIES.
SO IS THAT A CONCERN? I MEAN, STATE LAW, THE STATE LAW DEFINE THESE THINGS.
WE, WE, WE, THERE'S NO SLIPPERY SLOPE OF WHETHER YOU'RE A RELIGIOUS BODY OR CHURCH OR NOT.
DO, DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS THAT THERE'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE OF US DETERMINING WHETHER YOU'RE A CHURCH, WHETHER YOU'RE A RELIGIOUS BODY? WELL, UM, I, I WILL SAY OF COURSE, THAT WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T START OFF TRYING TO DIVE INTO THESE ISSUES.
IT'S ONLY BEEN AS WE LEARNED ABOUT THE CONCERNS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, THE DOCUMENTS THAT DOVER BAPTIST CHURCH OR ANOTHER CHURCH MIGHT HAVE THAT STATE TALK ABOUT THEIR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE.
I JUST LEARNED ON FRIDAY OR THURSDAY, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT, THEY PREFER NOT TO MAKE THEM PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.
SO WE HAD THOUGHT UP TO THURSDAY THAT IF YOU JUST GIVE US YOUR BYLAWS, WE'RE SET.
'CAUSE IT STATES YOUR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES AND SO FORTH.
THEN AFTER THE CONCERN RAISED, WE'VE TAKEN A STEP BACK AND SAID, WELL, IF YOU DON'T WANNA PROVIDE US YOUR BYLAWS, THEN I THINK WE'RE GONNA END UP JUST HAVING YOU CERTIFY.
I HEREBY CERTIFY THE ORGANIZATION AS A CHURCH OR A RELIGIOUS BODY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE'RE RIGHT.
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ON THAT AS THE EXACT ANSWER, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS.WE WANT, BEFORE THURSDAY, I THOUGHT WE WOULD GET A DOCUMENT THAT HAD THEIR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ANYWAY.
NOW THAT I'M LEARNING, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
WE MOST DEFINITELY ARE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE AND NOT BE DOWN IN THEIR BUSINESS, NOT BE MAKING THOSE DETERMINATIONS.
AND I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS GOING TO BE CERTIFY THAT YOU REP THIS ORGANIZATION AS A CHURCH OR A RELIGIOUS BODY.
SO LAST, LAST QUESTION ON THAT POINT, SHOULD WE MAYBE WAIT AND PUT WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AS THE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A BEHIND THE SCENES POLICY DECISION YOU'RE WORKING ON IN TERMS OF HOW POLICY WISE, HOW WE'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT AN ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO PASS.
IS THERE ANY THOUGHT OF MAYBE CAPTURING THIS POLICY RIGHT IN THE ORDINANCE? WHAT YOU JUST, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, BECAUSE THEN IT'S, THEN IT'S A BIT MORE BINDING AND YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, BECAUSE POLICY COULD BE CHANGED WITHOUT OUR INPUT, WITHOUT REPRESENTATIVE INPUT.
BUT IF WE JUST CAPTURE RIGHT IN WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING NOW, IS THE SOFTENING OF SOME OF THESE REQUIREMENTS TO ACKNOWLEDGE OR THE DIALING BACK MAYBE, UM, I'M, I'M SORT OF THINKING OUT LOUD.
HAVE YOU CONTEMPLATED MAYBE WE COULD PUT SOME OF THESE THINGS INTO STATUTE TO MAYBE, UM, PUT IT ON THE MORE SOLID FOOTING OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TO, TO ASK, YOU KNOW, TO GET A DETERMINATION.
I MEAN, THAT'S A LEVEL OF OPERATIONAL DETAIL THE BOARD IS NOT USUALLY IN, AND OUR ORDINANCES DON'T USUALLY HAVE, I MEAN, THIS IS THE TYPE OF THING THAT, AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE APPLICATION AND WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT IT.
WELL, UM, THE CHANGE THAT WE DID ALREADY MAKE WAS TO NOT HAVE THEM FILE THESE PUBLICLY, YOU KNOW, GOVERNING DOCUMENTS.
UH, BUT THAT IN TERMS OF THAT, THE CHANGE YOU MADE POLICY WISE, RIGHT.
IN AN APPLICATION THAT'S AVAILABLE, IT'S ON THE, THIS ONE ISN'T YET ON THE WEBSITE, BUT IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, YOU COULD PUT A LOT IN ORDINANCES THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT ALL YOUR, YOU KNOW, MARYANNE'S DETERMINING WHETHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES ARE APPROPRIATELY IN LAND USE.
AND SHE'S GOT 2000 OF THOSE AND SHE'S MAKING JUDGMENT CALLS WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE AND WITHIN THAT STATE LAW.
COULD YOU PUT THAT FOR A BOARD? YOU, YOU COULD, UM, WELL, I GUESS, I GUESS WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, I GUESS SOME PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTANDABLY PERCEIVE THAT A JUDGMENT OF WHETHER YOU'RE A RELIGIOUS BODY OR NOT, OR A CHURCH OR NOT, IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT MAYBE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER JUDGMENTS WE, WE TASK TASKED WITH.
AND ON THE FLY, I'M NOT SURE I'D COME UP WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT I'M, I'M NOT SURE THEY DON'T ALREADY EXIST.
I MEAN, OUR, OUR SPECIAL EVENTS ORDINANCE HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A SPONTANEOUS IN, IN REACTION TO, UM, UH, AN EVENT THAT'S OCCURRING IN THE NEWS.
WELL, THAT'S UP TO THE SHERIFF AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO CONSIDER.
AND THOSE ARE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, WHICH ARE SIMILARLY IMPORTANT.
BUT THOSE ARE DETERMINED WITHIN THOSE APPLICATIONS AND POLICIES AS OPPOSED TO WITHIN THE ORDINANCE.
BUT CERTAINLY IT COULD BE DONE.
UM, I'LL GIVE MS. MCGEE A MINUTE TO DIGEST
UM, COULD YOU WALK ME THROUGH HOW IT WORKS TODAY? UM, DO I JUST WALK IN AND SAY, I'M TAX EXEMPT, DON'T TAX ME.
HOW, HOW DOES IT WORK TODAY? UM, TODAY, THE ASSESSOR, UM, WHEN SHE TOOK OVER THE OFFICE, UH, OVER SEVEN, MAYBE 10 YEARS AGO NOW, UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT WERE CARRIED AS TAX EXEMPT.
SHE HAS CONTINUED TO CARRY THEM AS TAX EXEMPT OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST TWO YEARS.
OUR OFFICE MET WITH HER AND WITH THE, UM, COMMISSIONER, THOUGH, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND, TO HELP THEM IDENTIFY, IS IT TAX EXEMPT BECAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION? IS IT TAX EXEMPT UNDER A DESIGNATION, ONE OF THOSE THOUSAND ISSUED BY THE, UH, GENERAL ASSEMBLY? IS IT TAX EXEMPT? BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE CATEGORIES.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS IMPROVING THEIR DATA TO KEY IT TO THE RIGHT LEGAL.
UM, AND SO WE DO THINK THAT WE HAVE THE ENTITIES IDENTIFIED UNDER THE RIGHT CATEGORIES, AND NONE OF THAT CAUSED US TO GO, WHOA, THAT PEOPLE, THOSE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE EXEMPT.
WE FOUND THEIR CATEGORIES AND LISTED THEM.
THE LAST PIECE OF THIS THOUGH, IS WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A, ANYTHING THAT PROVES THAT THAT ENTITY IS IN FACT, YOU KNOW, BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA, WE JUST, WE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SHOW THE USE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
THE ONE THING THAT COULD BE A CHANGE, UM, IN, IN THE HANDBOOK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CARRIED THIS STUFF AS TAX EXEMPT, IS IF YOU HAVE A PIECE OF VACANT PROPERTY THAT YOU ARE NOT USING FOR YOUR NONPROFIT PURPOSE, THAT THAT COULD BE A CHALLENGE.
'CAUSE THE LAW WOULD SAY THAT SHOULDN'T BE TAX EXEMPT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S THAT MUCH VACANT PROPERTY, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME, ON THE PERSONAL PROPERTY SIDE, OUR COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE ACTUALLY HAS ACCESS TO D M V RECORDS, AND AS I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN LIMITED TO ONLY VEHICLES.
IN FACT, THE APPLICATION TODAY SAYS, IDENTIFY A VEHICLE ONLY IF YOU'RE BEING TAXED ON IT, BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T NEED TITLES.
SHE ACTUALLY HAS ACCESS TO THAT HERSELF AND KNOWS THAT SHE CAN CARRY
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THEM TAX EXEMPT.SHE WILL HAVE THE RECORDS OF THE ENTITY, AGAIN, PROVEN.
BUT IN SITUATIONS WHERE THE COMMISSIONER HAS HAD TAX ON A VEHICLE, SOMETIMES IT'S BECAUSE THEY TITLED IT IN THE NAME OF THEIR ORGANIZATION AND THEIR PASTOR.
AND SO SHE SORT OF JUST GIVES 'EM A CALL AND PULLS 'EM IN AND GOES, YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR TITLE.
YOU NEED THAT TO ONLY BE IN THE ORGANIZATION.
I CAN'T CARRY IT AS TAX EXEMPT IF YOU'VE GOT YOUR PASTOR'S NAME ON IT.
SO THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT AND THEY FIX THAT.
SO ON THE COMMISSIONER'S SIDE, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER.
I WILL SAY THOUGH, THIS ALSO IS GOING TO HAVE BOTH THE, THE COMMISSIONER AND THE ASSESSOR HAVE THE SHARED INFORMATION ABOUT THE ORGANIZATIONS.
LIKE TODAY, I CAN'T ACTUALLY TELL YOU EXACTLY WHICH ONES HAVE VEHICLES AND WHICH ONES HAVE REAL PROPERTY AND HOW MUCH THEY OVERLAP.
BUT WE WILL HAVE THIS SHARED DATABASE, THE, THESE APPLICATIONS ARE BEING STORED ON THE COUNTY DRIVE THAT, UM, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS CAN USE SO THAT THEY'LL, WE KNOW THEY'RE BEING TREATED THE SAME FOR BOTH REAL ESTATE AND THEIR VEHICLES.
SO IF I HAD A FRIEND AND HE WALKED INTO THE ASSESSOR AND SAID, I'M A CHURCH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CATEGORIES, DON'T TAX ME, IS THAT ALL IT TAKES, UM, TODAY MM-HMM.
AND I, UM, AGAIN, EXACTLY WHAT SHE WOULD ASK FOR TODAY.
I CAN'T SAY MARYANNE DOES HAVE, UH, MARYANNE DAVIS, OUR ASSESSOR DOES HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT SHE HAS ASKED SOMEONE TO FILE IN THE, IN THE PAST, FOR INSTANCE, SHELTERING ARMS IS A VERY BIG, UH, UH, NONPROFIT HOSPITAL IN GLAND COUNTY.
AND AT THE TIME, VERY COMPLEX, UH, OWNERSHIP VERY, YOU KNOW, UH, SO FORTH.
SHE DID HAVE THEM FILE AN APPLICATION, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T REQUIRED UNDER ORDINANCE TO HELP HER ANALYZE EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT BE TAXED, WHAT WAS IN USE FOR THEIR NONPROFIT PURPOSE AND A PORTION THAT WASN'T.
SO SHE HAS ASKED FOR DOCUMENTS AND INFORMATION, EVEN WITHOUT A, A REQUIRED APPLICATION IN THE PAST.
BUT SINCE SHE'S ONLY DONE THAT FOR A NEW GUY WHO WALKED IN, SHE STILL HAS PROBABLY 70 PROPERTIES SHE'S CARRYING, WHERE IF YOU GO, OH, WHY IS THAT TAX EXEMPT? SHE GOES, I DON'T, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANYTHING IN MY FILES TO SHOW YOU.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DID IDENTIFY A CATEGORY THAT THIS ENTITY FITS IN.
YOU CAN SEE THE LINE OF QUESTIONING IS, UM, SHOULD THERE BE ANY EVIDENCE OR, OR NO EVIDENCE OR, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT SHOULD THAT BE AND WHAT LEVEL, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT THE LEVEL IS OF, BUT SHOULD THERE BE SOMETHING TO VERIFY AS OPPOSED TO JUST AN ASSERTION? SO I, WE'RE STRUGGLING FOR WHAT'S THE RIGHT AMOUNT.
AND BECAUSE I THINK AS A SOCIETY, I THINK TAXABLE ENTITIES ARE WILLING TO SUBSIDIZE THESE TAX EXEMPTS BECAUSE OF THE, THE NATURE OF THEIR BUSINESSES.
UM, GUT AND CARES, FOR INSTANCE.
SO IN ORDER TO BE GOOD STEWARDS, IT'S JUST WHAT LEVEL IS THE RIGHT LEVEL WITHOUT BEING TOO INVASIVE.
SO THAT'S THE LINE OF QUESTIONING.
SO MS. ME, I, I GUESS I'M STUCK ON, I THINK WHERE MR. LYLE WAS GOING.
I'M SORRY MR. LUMPKINS IS GOING ON.
THAT WE, WE WERE ASKED TO APPROVE THAT MAYBE YOU, MAYBE THE PROCESSES, WHICH YOU CAN HELP ME WITH, WE'RE ASKED TO APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, BUT WE DON'T, AND I, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PACKET.
I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE APPLICATION, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
SO WE'RE ASKED TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE THAT NOT ONLY DON'T WE KNOW HOW IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE IMPLEMENTED, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME, AND MAYBE THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN CLEAR IT UP, HOW IF THERE WERE CONCERNS FROM STANCES, HOW DO THOSE GET ADDRESSED? UM, AND I DO REALIZE THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS, AND WE DON'T GET INTO DETAILS FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, THIS ONE DOES SEEM A LITTLE UNIQUE FOR ME.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THAT.
NO, I, I MEAN, I'VE PRESENTED THIS ORDINANCE IN THIS, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE SAME WAY I DID THE, THE SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT, WHICH HAS AN APPLICATION PROCESS, WHICH AFTER YOU GUYS ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE THAT HAD DIFFERENT CRITERIA, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND I WORKED TOGETHER TO REVISE THE APPLICATION.
SO WE DIDN'T PRESENT IT TO YOU, YOU, BUT WE CERTAINLY REVISED IT CONSISTENTLY.
I, I HAVE A COPY OF THE APPLICATION AND, AND I DIDN'T INTEND TO WITHHOLD IT FROM YOU, BUT NO, IN THE PAST HASN'T BEEN THE TYPE OF THING I'VE SHARED.
AND I'M HAPPY TO DO SO AS I, AS YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SAID EVEN EARLIER, I WAS MAKING CHANGES TO IT TODAY IN RESPONSE TO CONCERNS BECAUSE WE, WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE.
WE ONLY WANNA ASK FOR WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO JUST MEET BOTH NEEDS.
THE TRANSPARENCY OF TAXPAYERS ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, $248 MILLION IN PROPERTY TO NOT BE TAXED, BUT NOT TO BE TOO INVASIVE OR TOO ONEROUS.
SO CERTAINLY I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THE APPLICATION.
I HAVE COPIES HERE FOR THE BOARD AND MAYBE SOMETHING YOU GUYS WANT MORE TIME TO, TO, UH, WORK ON OR LOOK AT, WHICH SHOULD ALSO BE FINE.
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IF FOLKS FEEL THEY'RE BEING TOO INVASIVE, BUT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO IT, IS THERE AN APPEAL? IS THERE AN APPEAL MECHANISM FOR DETERMINATION? UM, THERE ISN'T ONE, UM, ENGENDERED WITHIN, SAY, THE STATE LAW AUTHORITY.THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A, A REQUIREMENT, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD END UP, PROBABLY THE APPEAL WOULD BE THROUGH LITIGATION INNOCENCE.
AND THAT, AGAIN, THAT ASSUMES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ASSESSOR WHO ALREADY HANDLES THOUSANDS OF APPLICATIONS EVERY YEAR AND WORKS WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING THEM, TRIES TO HELP THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A BOOM, THE DOOR SHUT, AND YOU'RE DONE.
NOT SUGGESTING WE DON'T NO, BUT, BUT I'M JUST, JUST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
WHAT WE GET TO ADOPT OR, OR WORDS AND ORDINANCES AND RIGHT.
THE IMPLEMENTATION IS GOING TO BE DONE BY PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW NOW, BUT IN YEARS FROM NOW, WE WON'T KNOW.
SO THAT THEY, I THINK WE WANNA GET A FRAMEWORK IN PLACE, RIGHT.
THAT, THAT WILL SUPPORT THE CONCERNS OF FREEDOM.
AND, AND, AND THAT, SO SIMILAR TO YOUR SPECIAL EVENT AND SOME OTHER PERMIT TYPE ORDINANCES, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE SEE APPEAL PROCESSES IS USUALLY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
IT, IT USUALLY SPELLS OUT FOR YOU WHERE YOU'RE GONNA APPEAL IT.
MOST OF THE REST OF YOU, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S TO THE CIRCUIT COURT, PROBABLY.
WELL, UH, AND MR. CHAIR DON'T, I MEAN, YOU HAVE AN APPEAL PROCESS FOR YOUR ASSESSMENT IF YOU'RE YEP.
IF YOUR HOUSE IS ASSESSED AT A LEVEL YOU DON'T THINK'S FAIR, THERE'S AN APPEAL PROCESS.
THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER, UH, ASSESSMENT APPEAL PRO.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT MECHANISM IN PLACE IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS.
MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DOVETAIL ON THAT AS WELL, JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE A SECOND BITE AND SAY, LOOK, THAT I GOT THIS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT.
WHERE CAN I GO TO FIRST? SOME, SOME ADDRESS MM-HMM.
SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, I, I'M GLAD THIS CASE CAME ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, BECAUSE I THINK IT CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES THE THOUGHTFULNESS AND THE THOROUGHNESS OF OUR STAFF AND THE ADMINISTRATION IN GOING THROUGH AND TRYING TO ANSWER THE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, DO THINGS UP UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE SOMETIMES.
AND I KNOW THAT TOO OFTEN WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT ENOUGH.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A POINT OF REFERENCING THAT, ESPECIALLY, UH, MS. MCGEE'S, UH, THE THANK YOU, MR. POTTERS, PLEASE.
UM, IF I MAY JUST INCLUDE BRIDGET CARRINGTON FROM THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE AND, AND MARYANNE DAVIS.
'CAUSE WE, THIS HAS BEEN A TEAM, AND I MAY BE THE FACE, BUT A LOT OF THE HARD WORK COMES FROM MY TEAMMATES.
WHAT YOU, YOU, YOU MADE REFERENCE A MOMENT AGO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME TREPIDATION UP HERE, AND YOU SAID WE COULD DO SOMETHING.
WHAT, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? UM, A DEFERRAL AND, AND IT COULD COME BACK.
SHOULD THE JUROR BOARD CHOOSE TO DEFER THE ACTION TONIGHT? IT, AGAIN, IF YOU KEEP IN MIND, THE LEGAL DEADLINE IS DECEMBER 31ST.
SO IT WAS OUR GOAL TO HIT THIS EARLY, TO GET A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT, AND THEN TO PROVIDE PEOPLE A LONG TIME TO GET THEIR INFORMATION TOGETHER TO TALK TO US.
SO, DELAYING THIS, IF YOU CHOOSE TO, TO THE NEXT MEETING, WOULD STILL BE SUFFICIENT TIME TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO MEET WITH PEOPLE.
AND MY REQUEST WOULD SIMPLY BE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE IT EVIDENT TO THE, OUR TEAM WHAT SORTS OF THINGS THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE, SO THAT YOU'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
UM, SHOULD HEARING IT AT AN, AT A NEXT MEETING, AND MS. MCGEE, THAT, THAT DECEMBER DATE, IS THAT BECAUSE IT ALIGNS WITH WHEN THE TAX BILLS GO OUT, UM, IT ALIGNS WITH THE STATE LAW.
THE STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT 60 DAY, THAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, CRAZY 60 DAY LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE.
THAT IS THE STATE LAW PERMISSION FOR THIS? WE COULD, SO CAN, IS THAT DATE MOVABLE? COULD WE MOVE THAT TO JANUARY? NO, NO, SIR.
MY STATE LAW AUTHORITY IS ONLY 60 DAYS PRIOR.
THE 60 DAYS PRIOR TO THE END OF THIS IS WRONG.
SO, UM, I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS APPEAL PROCESS.
MR. PETERSON AND SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED IT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE INTO, UM, YOUR ORDINANCE? YEAH.
IT, IT, IT WOULD BE, UM, OUR DESIRE TO HAVE THAT APPEAL PROCESS AND THAT YOU COULD CHOOSE SOMETHING LIKE AT GLEN COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR GOING TO THE BOARD, UH, A SUPERVISORS, WE WOULD BE LIMITING THE POWER OURSELVES.
AND THEREFORE, I THINK WITHIN WHAT WE'RE ENTITLED TO DO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED STATE LAW AUTHORITY TO TAKE A BIG AUTHORITY THAT WE HAVE AND SAY WE'D LIKE SOME OVERSIGHT.
SO I BELIEVE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN AN ORDINANCE.
I, I WOULD, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THING I WOULD REQUEST IF WE DEFER THIS, THAT WE COME BACK WITH SOME MECHANISM TO AN EASY PROCESS, UH, RATHER
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THAN GOING TO CIRCUIT COURT OR WHATEVER MM-HMM.WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, ESPECIALLY AT THE BEGINNING, BUT REALLY ANYTIME, SO MS. ME, THAT'S MY FEEDBACK.
LET ME ASK A QUESTION ABOUT DEFERRAL.
IS IT BE, IF WE WERE TO NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, IF THE CHANGES WERE MADE, COULD THIS BE HEARD AT OUR AUGUST 7TH MEETING SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE AN ENTIRE MONTH? UM, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF, I GUESS IT, ONE, IT, I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE A BETTER PROCESS TO ALLOW THE TEAM TIME TO PROCESS YOUR REMARKS AND COME BACK WITH SOMETHING.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO LET OUR STAKEHOLDERS KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA CHOOSE SOMETHING WORK AND THEN HAVE THEM GO, YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR US.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD FAIR ENOUGH.
BUT WE'VE TRIED TO BE VERY, SO I'D LIKE TO LET THEM KNOW.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU ADOPTED THIS IN SEPTEMBER, WE'RE PREPARED TO BE READY TO SEND THE APPLICATIONS OUT THE NEXT DAY, WHICH IS STILL THREE MONTHS BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
BOARD, DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR COMMENT? OH, SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD DEFER TO SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023.
THIS ORDINANCE ADDING COUNTY CODE SECTION 13 DASH 3.2 TO REQUIRE AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR TAX EXEMPTIONS FOR THE REAL PROPERTY AND VEHICLES IN THE COUNTY OWNED BY CERTAIN ELIGIBLE TAX EXEMPT ENTITIES.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
MOTION TO SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, SO WE'RE DEFERRING IT UNTIL OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING? YES.
AND THAT WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE NEW INFORMATION.
SO IT'S NOT, SO THE PUBLIC WILL GET TO SPEAK ON THE NEW INFORMATION THAT WE YES, MA'AM.
JUST WANNA BE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THAT.
SO THE, A VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE IS MO A VOTE TO DEFER MR. CARPENTER? MR. PETERSON? YES.
[3. 5767: Ordinance granting conditional use permit CU-2023-00005 - Application by Benedictine Society of Virginia and The Benedictine Schools of Richmond.]
AND WE HAVE MRS. MS. SINUS.SO, ALL RIGHT, I'LL DO MY BETS.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. CARPENTER, UH, THIS FIRST CASE BEFORE US TONIGHT, UH, WAS THE DEFERRAL.
UH, FIRST CASE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A CONDITIONALLY USE PERMIT REQUEST OF AN EXISTING CASE, C U 2 0 1 1 0 0 0 4 A.
UM, THE INTENT IS TO REVISE THE MASTER PLAN AND ADD ADDITIONAL ACREAGE TO ACCOMMODATE A REQUIRED BUFFER.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR BENEDICTINE, UM, SCHOOL.
UM, MOST OF US KNOW WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY ALONG RIVER ROAD, THE EXACT AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
OF COURSE, AS WE KNOW, THAT'S ST.
GERTRUDE'S IS ACTUALLY UP, UM, IN BUILT.
THE ADDITION, UM, THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS GENERALLY AROUND THE AREA THAT WAS FORMERLY TENNIS COURTS.
THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES CALL FOR SEMI-PUBLIC ON ONE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE MAIN AREA FOR THE SCHOOL.
THERE'S ALSO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WHERE THE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS ARE LOCATED.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I MEAN, THE ZONING AREA FOR THIS AREA IS A TWO.
SO THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING BACK IN MAY.
WE HAD SIX CITIZENS IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, THE CONCERNS WERE REALLY ABOUT THE, TALKING ABOUT THE, THE USE OF THE AREA AND THE POTENTIAL EXPANSION OF THE SCHOOL AND TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN, THERE WAS RECEIVED ONE EMAIL IN OPPOSITION PRIOR TO, UH, THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, WHICH HAD THAT SAME CONCERN.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION ON A FIVE OH VOTE.
SO THE EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, IS REALLY FOR THE SCHOOL.
UM, IF THE BOARD RE UH, REMEMBERS THIS HAD BEEN APPROVED PREVIOUSLY, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT THAT CAME FORWARD IN REGARDS TO THE SCHOOL EDITION.
THERE WAS ALSO SOME AMENDMENTS RELATED TO THINGS LIKE WATER USAGE AND THE LIKE FOR THE SITE.
THE SPECIFIC REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE AMEND THE C E P DAD PORTIONS OF AN ADJOINING PROPERTY, UM, TO RELA THE CO RELOCATE THE BUFFER AND ALLOW FOR A SOFTBALL FIELD EXPANSION.
THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN THAT THEY HAD, THERE WAS A, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ITEMS IN IT, POTENTIALLY DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
UM, AFTER LOOKING AT THEIR SITE, THEY REALIZED NEED THAT THEY WANTED POTENTIAL TO RELOCATE SOFTBALL FIELD.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE RELOCATION WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A TIGHT AREA.
AND SO WHAT IT DID IS IT INTRUDED TO THE EXISTING CONDITION, 25 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE
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EASTERN PROPERTY LINE.IN ADDITION, THE SOFTBALL FIELD ITSELF ENCROACHED INTO REQUIRED SETBACKS.
UM, THIS IS THE REVISED, UH, MASTER PLAN.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE SOFTBALL FIELD IS GENERALLY THIS LOCATION.
UM, THIS IS, UM, EXACTLY EXISTING PARKING.
AGAIN, THERE WAS FORMERLY TENNIS COURTS THERE.
PART OF THIS REVISED LAYOUT ALSO DEALS WITH SORT OF THE RELOCATION OF THE ROAD AND SOME SIDEWALK, UM, AMENITIES AS WELL.
THIS IS A ZOOMED OUT, ZOOMED IN VIEW OF THE SOFTBALL FIELD ITSELF.
UM, THIS BUMP OUT HERE TO THE BOTTOM IS THE PORTION OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO TAKE TO, UM, ADD TO THE SCHOOL SITE.
THOSE PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY OWNED BY BENEDICTINE.
UM, AND SO IT'S REALLY THEIR OWN, THEIR PROPERTY.
WE'RE ADDING IT FOR THE MASTER PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLY WITH THE PREVIOUS BUFFER CONDITION BECAUSE THAT HAD BEEN A CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A GOOD SCREEN OR TRANSITION BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ADJACENT.
SO, AS MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT DOES OWN THE PROPERTY.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE AND PROPOSING IS A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT AND A BUFFER RELOCATION.
AND WE FEEL THAT, UM, STAFF CAME FORWARD AND WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT.
WE FEEL THIS MEETS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE ZONING CASE AND THE CONDITIONAL USE.
UM, THERE WILL BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLETE A REVISED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I KNOW IS IN THE WORKS.
UM, AND WE'VE ONLY ADDED TWO CONDITIONS, UM, MODIFICATIONS FROM THE PREVIOUS C U P APPROVAL.
SO REALLY ARE FOR CONDITION ONE, WE'RE AMENDING THE CONDITION TO ADDRESS THE NEW CASE THAT CAME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
AND ALSO PROVIDING FOR CONDITION NINE AND CONDITION, UM, TO ADDRESS THE BUFFER AND HOW THAT RELATES TO THE EXISTING CONDITION 12.
AND ADDITIONALLY REQUIRING THE RECORDATION OF PLATS THAT ACCOMPLISH THE PROPERTY LINE CHANGES LIKE WE WOULD WITH ANY OTHER TYPE OF APPLICATION.
SO STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH THE PRESENTATION.
ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS? JUST QUICKLY, MR. CASH.
UM, SO THE PACKET SAYS APPROVAL OF THIS C U P SUPERSEDES THE CONDITIONS STATED IN CU 93 10 C U 2011 C U 2011.
BUT THE LIST THAT WE HAVE IN HERE, 'CAUSE THE LAST SLIDE YOU JUST WENT, I WAS TRYING MM-HMM.
WE COULD BRING 'EM UP AS WELL, BUT THE IDEA IS WE BASICALLY CARRY FORWARD ALL THOSE CONDITIONS INTO THIS NEW CASE SO THAT IT COULD FOLLOW, AND THOSE, THOSE CONDITIONS ARE CARRIED FORWARD WITH THE EXCEPTIONS.
SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS LIST, I'M, YOU, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THIS, THIS LIST IN OUR PACKET IS THE SAME CONDITIONS THAT EXISTED WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF WHAT YOU JUST CORRECT? YES, SIR.
NOW, DID, WHEN DID BENEDICTINE OWN ALL OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE MAP? DID THEY, DID THEY ACQUIRE ANY PROPERTY SINCE THESE OTHER CONDITIONS? UM, THAT I, THAT MYSELF, I'M NOT AWARE OF.
I KNOW THAT THEY'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR SOME TIME.
WHAT I, WHAT I'M GETTING AT A RESIDENCE ON IT.
FACT, ALL THIS IS HAPPENING WITHIN THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY, THEY JUST, THEY'RE JUST CHANGING A, A SETBACK THAT WAS ALREADY BETWEEN THEIR, THAT THAT WAS BETWEEN THEIR TWO PROPERTIES, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY'RE SEPARATE PARCELS FOR WHERE THE SCHOOL SITE WAS.
UM, AND AF THERE WAS LATER REQUIRED THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY WHEN THAT OCCURRED, UM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY PART OF THAT PEMBROKE, UM, SUBDIVISION AREA.
UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, AND THE APPLICANT COULD SPEAK TO THAT.
I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE RESIDENTS IS THERE IS ACTUALLY, UM, FOR MR. GRAPE GRAPES WHO OF COURSE IS, UM, AND FOR THE HEAD, THE SCHOOL.
I GUESS WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT IF, IF I HAVE A REQUIRED SETBACK AND THEN I OWN, I END UP OWNING THE PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT SETBACK, IT'S, IS THERE AN EASIER PROCESS THAN GOING THROUGH ALL THIS TO, WELL, TO DEAL WITH A CHANGE MM-HMM.
UM, AND SO IT'S NOT ONLY THE SETBACKS THAT HAS TO BE MET, WHICH NEEDS TO COME FROM PROPERTY LINES, BUT ALSO, UM, TO SATISFY THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.
WELL, THANK, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE BRING UP THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP? THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I LIVE AT 3 2 2 RIVERSIDE COURT IN GLAND COUNTY, UH, WHICH IS JUST ADJACENT TO THE BENEDICTINE SCHOOLS OF RICHMOND, UH, CAMPUS IN, UH, IN A PROPERTY THAT, UH, THE SCHOOL OWNS AND WE PAY TAXES ON, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT USED FOR SCHOOL USE.
UM, WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING THE
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RIGHT THING, OR AT LEAST THE WAY THINGS ARE RIGHT NOW.THE, UH, THANK YOU RAY, UH, MR. CASH FOR PRESENTATION.
UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR SEEING, UH, ME AND THE SCHOOLS.
UH, AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU A NUMBER OF TIMES IN THE PAST FOR, UH, FROM THAT ADDITIONAL, OR EXCUSE ME, ORIGINAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, IN 2011, UH, TWEAKS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS MASTER PLAN ON, UM, UH, A FEW OCCASIONS.
UH, I'LL, I'LL DESCRIBE KIND OF WHY ARE WE DOING THIS.
UM, SO WE, AS MR. CASH POINTED OUT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO, BROUGHT ST.
GERTRUDE HIGH SCHOOL ONTO THE CAMPUS OF THE BANKING SCHOOLS OF RICHMOND.
BUT WE STILL, NOW THAT WE'RE PROVIDING ATHLETIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOYS AND GIRLS, WE NEED THE, THE ATHLETIC FACILITIES THAT ST.
GERTRUDE, UH, UTILIZE TO, TO FACILITATE ALL THOSE OPERATIONS.
SO THAT'S WHERE OUR STUDENTS DRIVE EVERY DAY, UH, 2 88 64, 2 95, 95.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO GET THEM OFF THAT ROUTE.
SO REALLY IN THE END, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE TO TRY AND GET EVERYBODY, UM, YOU KNOW, ON CAMPUS AND, AND NOT DRIVING ACROSS, UH, RICHMOND TO PLAY SOFTBALL.
UM, OUR, OUR PROPOSAL HERE, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, G I S MAP THERE, UM, JUST FOR THIS IS A MORE CURRENT, UH, IMAGE, UH, THAN THE ONE THAT, UH, STAFF HAD, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
GERTRUDE HIGH SCHOOL, UH, UH, FINISHED CONSTRUCTION SITE, UH, THE HOUSE THAT, UH, I LIVE IN, AND WE PAY TAXES ON, UM, THE, UH, OPEN LOT.
UM, THIS OPEN LOT IS THE ONE, UM, UH, THAT MR. LUMPKINS WAS ASKING ABOUT.
I BELIEVE, UH, THIS IS ALSO OWNED BY THE SCHOOL, AND WE PAY TAXES ON, UH, BECAUSE IT IS NOT USED FOR SCHOOL PURPOSES AS AN OPEN FIELD LOT.
UH, SO WE OWN MULTIPLE PROPERTIES.
UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, THAT TREE LINE THERE, AND I REFER TO THIS AS THE PREEXISTING VEGETATION BUFFER.
SO YOU SEE WHERE THAT GREEN LINE IS.
IT'S A LONG STRING OF WOODS RIGHT THERE.
WHEN THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS GRANTED IN 2011, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT, THE PROPERTY LINE WAS NOT STAKED AT THAT TIME BY THE SCHOOL, NOR BY THE COUNTY OR ANYONE.
THESE TREES EXISTED AT THAT TIME.
AND AS MR. CASH POINTED OUT, UH, COMPLYING WITH THE INTENT OF THAT, UM, UH, THAT LANGUAGE FOR THE CONDITION RELATED TO, TO BUFFER IN THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THE INTENT WAS TO SCREEN THE PEMBROKE FARM COMMUNITY FROM THE OPERATIONS OF, OF THE SCHOOL.
AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES IS WE'VE COMPLIED WITH THAT INTENT FROM 2011 TO THE CURRENT DAY, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO, UH, WITH THIS, UH, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, UH, PRE-EXISTING TENNIS COURTS.
SO IN 2011, AND UP TILL, UH, JUST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THERE WERE SIX TENNIS COURTS ON THAT SITE, A TENNIS COMPLEX THAT, UM, THE HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS COULD COMPETE ON.
IF, IF ANY TENNIS PLAYERS HERE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SIX COURTS TO RUN A HIGH SCHOOL, UH, TENNIS COMPETITION, ANY LESS THAN THAT.
YOU, YOU CAN'T HOST A, A MATCH.
UM, AND THEN, SO THAT SAME LOCATION IS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THE SOFTBALL FIELD TO GO.
WHY? BECAUSE AS MR. CASH CORRECTLY POINTED OUT, THAT ROAD YOU SEE THERE ON THAT DIAGRAM HAD TO BE RESHAPED FOR THE TRAFFIC FLOW PATTERN, UH, TO MAKE A, A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO WE LOST TWO TENNIS COURTS IN THE PROCESS.
SO HAVING FOUR DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF, OF THAT TYPE OF A, A PROGRAM.
SO WE WERE LEFT WITH THIS BIG EMPTY PIECE OF DIRT, AND IT ALMOST PERFECTLY FITS A SOFTBALL FIELD.
UH, SAME IMAGE THAT, UH, MR. CASH SHOWED, UM, PRE-EXISTING.
UH, THE, THE SECOND BULLET HERE, I THINK IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.
UH, THIS PLAN WILL HAVE ZERO IMPACT TO THE CURRENT VEGETATION BUFFER.
AND WE DID WORK WITH COUNTY STAFF ON A COUPLE OF PROPOSALS.
THE FIRST ONE DID HAVE SOME IMPACT, RIGHT? SO WE WERE GONNA GRADE INTO THE, THE BUFFER AND THEN REPLANT TREES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER LOTS OF DISCUSSION, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN, UH, THAT MAYBE NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE CONCERN THAT WE'D BE CUTTING DOWN, YOU KNOW, 40, 50, I DON'T KNOW, 80 YEAR MATURE TREES, AND REPLACING THEM WITH THINGS WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME TO, TO GROW BACK.
SO WE'VE EXPENDED CONSIDERABLY MORE MONEY USING A RETAINING WALLS PROGRAM TO HOLD THE FIELD SO THAT WE COULD PRESERVE ALL OF THAT VEGETATION, UH, AS IT WAS IN 2011, AND PROBABLY HAS BEEN SINCE, UH, THAT THE, A SCHOOL WAS PLACED IN THAT PROPERTY IN 1965.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY A, A PROPERTY LINE ADJUSTMENT, UH, WITH OUR OWN PROPERTY, AS MR. LUMPKIN SAID, THAT ALLOWS ALL THIS TO TO HAPPEN, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WAS THERE, WHAT'S THERE NOW, UH, AND THEN WHAT'S PROPOSED, RIGHT? SO, AND THE DATES ARE ON THOSE IMAGES THERE
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WHEN THOSE WERE, WERE TAKEN, UH, USING A DRONE, RIGHT? AND SO YOU SEE THE OLD TENNIS COMPLEX DURING THE ST.GERTRUDE, UH, PROJECT IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, PARKING OF CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES, WE CONVERTED PART OF IT TO A PARKING LOT.
IT WAS, UH, SINCE THEN DEMOLISHED AND THE TENNIS COURTS, THE FOUR THAT REMAINED, UH, YOU COULD SEE HOW THE ROAD WAS RESHAPED.
AND, UH, SO IT'S A BIG EMPTY DIRT LOT RIGHT NOW.
UM, THAT RED LINE, BY THE WAY, UH, THAT IS THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, SO AGAIN, REALLY THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT CALLED FOR THAT 25 FOOT, UH, BUFFER, UH, WE WERE IN THE SCHOOL, UH, AGAIN, NOT KNOWING IT, I'M NOT SURE COUNTY KNEW IT EITHER, WASN'T A NON-COMPLIANCE STATUS WHEN THOSE CONDITIONS WERE, WERE PUT IN THE, THE TENNIS COURTS WERE LITERALLY RIGHT ON THE, THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, NOT, UH, WELL WITHIN THAT, THAT 25 FEET.
SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, TO DO SOMETHING NEW.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO REPLACE, UH, ONE ATHLETIC FACILITY WITH ANOTHER, UH, NON IMPERVIOUS ATHLETIC FACILITY.
SO IN MANY WAYS, WE'RE ACTUALLY IMPROVING THE CONDITIONS, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF STORM WATER RETENTION AND, AND THOSE THINGS.
UM, THIS IS THE EXACT, UH, LANGUAGE THAT WAS, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT REFERS TO THAT, UH, BUFFER, UH, THERE.
AND YOU'LL SEE THE 25 FEET ALONG OUR EASTERN PROPERTY LINE, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S REFERENCED.
UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, FURTHER, UH, DOWN THE WAY, UH, CERTAINLY IT'S WITHIN THE, THE STAFF AND COUNTY'S ABILITY TO APPROVE MINOR REDUCTIONS THAT DON'T REDUCE THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUFFER.
UH, AND AGAIN, THE PLAN WE'RE USING WITH RETAINING WALLS PRESERVES THE INTEGRITY OF THE, THE BUFFER.
UM, WHY IS THIS BENEFICIAL? UM, FOR, FOR ALL THE REASONS I, I STATED SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, THE POWER LINES WILL BE MOVED, UH, BELOW GROUND AND IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY, PROBABLY LOTS OF PARTS OF THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE GET A BIG STORM TREE LIMB FALLS IN THE POWER LINE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY CAN LOSE POWER.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY IMPROVING CONDITIONS IN THAT WAY ALSO FOR THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY.
UM, NO INCREASED LIGHT POLLUTION.
THERE ARE NO LIGHTS IN THIS ATHLETIC FIELD PLAN.
UM, AND PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, A BIG BENEFIT THAT'S NOT REALIZED NOW, BUT IT WOULD BE IF, IF THIS WOULDN'T WORK.
OUR, OUR OTHER OPTION IS TO PUT THIS SOFTBALL FIELD, UH, IN THE, THE SPACE THAT YOU ALL REZONED FOR US, UH, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, UM, WHICH IS ALSO IN THE PEMBROKE FARM COMMUNITY, UH, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A BALL GAME, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S BA WHETHER IT'S BASEBALL OR SOFTBALL, THERE ARE FOUL BALLS.
AND I DON'T CARE WHAT KIND OF FENCING YOU HAVE, UNLESS YOU'RE PLAYING IN AN INDOOR FACILITY, FOUL BALLS.
FIND A WAY TO ESCAPE THOSE, THOSE FIELDS, THEY'RE GONNA END UP SOMEWHERE.
I'D RATHER THEM END UP IN MY BACKYARD THAN END UP ON, ON PEMBROKE LANE.
AND SO IN THIS LOCATION, UH, WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE ALSO IMPROVED SOME, SOME TRAFFIC AND, AND JUST NUISANCE, UH, CONDITIONS WITH, WITH THIS LOCATION.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.
ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, THANK YOU.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
JONATHAN LOBB 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
I SPOKE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN FAVOR OF THIS, AND I HAVEN'T CHANGED MY MIND.
YOU'RE ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO USE THEIR PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISH TO COMMENT IN FAVOR OF OREGON AGAINSTS THE CASE.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DID YOU WANT TO REBUT MR. LYLE'S
BOARD, ANY, UH, DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, MOTIONS? YEP.
UH, MR. CHAIR, YOU'RE PLEASE PREPARED TO ENTERTAIN, TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UM, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD GRANT CU 2023, NUMBER FIVE, TO REVISE THE MASTER PLAN AND INCREASE THE ACREAGE TO ACCOMMODATE A REQUIRED BUFFER AT 1 2 8 2 9 RIVER ROAD, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
ALL RIGHT, WE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME THIS, SO WE GOT FOURTH CASE OF THE EVENING, UH, MRUS.
[4. 5766: District 4 - CU-2023-00002 Application by West Broad RE, LLC]
THERE YOU.[06:10:10]
THIS ONE? YEAH, IT'S DON'T PULL FROM CURRENT SLIDE.WHERE, UM, WHICH ONE IS THIS? I CAN'T, DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? I CAN DO IT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR, MR. VADERS AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS CRYSTAL NIUS, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
AND BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT FOR, I BELIEVE THIS IS YOUR FOURTH PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING, UM, YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FROM, UM, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, WEST BROAD R E L L C, ALSO KNOWN AS TOMMY'S CAR WASH.
UM, IT IS IN THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE, UM, ON BROAD STREET ROAD.
IT'S ALSO IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT IN OUR DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA, AS WELL AS OUR T C S D, JUST FROM THE COMP PLAN.
THE CURRENT ZONING OF THIS SITE IS INDUSTRIAL GENERAL M TWO, AND IT'S ON A LOT THAT IS A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE IN SIZE.
THE REQUEST THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE IS FOR AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD.
SO AGAIN, JUST TO ORIENT YOU ALL, IT'S UM, RIGHT NEAR 2 88 AND JOHN WILKES RIDGE PARKWAY, IF I SAID THAT RIGHT.
AND ALSO JUST TO NOTE AGAIN, THAT IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED M TWO.
IT'S BEEN IN OPERATION SINCE 2020 AS A CAR WASH.
THIS IS THE COMP PLAN AND OUR ZONING MAP.
OUR CURRENT ZONING IS M TWO, WHICH IS GENERAL INDUSTRIAL.
AND OUR COMP PLAN DESIGNATES THIS DESIGNATES THIS AREA'S COMMERCIAL PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD FOR THIS APPLICATION.
ONE CITIZEN AND ONE COMMISSIONER WERE IN ATTENDANCE.
THERE WERE NO COMMENTS FROM THE ATTENDEE.
IT WAS HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY A FIVE OH VOTE.
AT THE JULY MEETING, ONE CITIZEN DID SPEAK IN SUPPORT.
UM, BASED ON THE FACT THAT THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT, THERE ARE SOME AMENDMENTS, UM, THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
SO THE EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE PERMITTED A CAR WASH.
UM, ALL OF THOSE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT YOU ALL PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN 2020 WILL REMAIN INTACT.
AGAIN, THEY'RE SEEKING THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE EXISTING STATIC MONUMENT SIGN THAT THEY HAVE ON THE SIDE OF ROUTE TWO 50.
UM, ALSO KNOWN AS BROAD STREET ROAD WITH A ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD.
UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CURRENTLY IN THIS VICINITY.
UM, HOWEVER NEW CONDITIONS ARE BEING ADDED TO ADDRESS THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN AND DESIGN.
UM, OUR APPLICANT IN THIS INSTANCE HAS NOT REQUESTED ANY EXEMPTIONS TO THE COUNTY STANDARDS.
UM, AS PROVIDED IN OUR SIGN ORDINANCE FOR THE ELECTRONIC SIGN USAGE SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, WE PROHIBIT, UM, ANY KIND OF MOVING ANIMATION, THE SIGN CANNOT BE LIT 24 7.
UM, THE SIGN CAN ONLY CHANGE ITS IMAGE OR ITS MESSAGE EVERY MINUTE.
UM, SO JUST HERE ON THIS CONCEPTUAL, THAT RED BOX DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, IT'S SMALL.
I CAN WORK THE POINT OR TWO, A LITTLE RED DOT NEAR THE RED BOX.
THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THEIR CURRENT STATIC SIGN.
AND THEN THE BLUE BOX IS WHERE THEY WILL HAVE THE GENERALLY INSTALLED, UM, NEW SIGN.
SO IT'LL ACTUALLY BE FURTHER SET BACK ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD.
SO IT WILL NOT PRESENT A LINE OF SITE ISSUE OR ANY KIND OF VISUAL DISTRACTION FOR DRIVERS.
UM, HERE IS A MOCKUP OF THE PROPOSED ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD.
AND JUST A LITTLE OVERVIEW OF STAFF'S COMMENTS.
AGAIN, CURRENTLY THEY HAVE A STATIC SIGN.
THEY ARE SEEKING AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD.
THERE'S NO EXEMPTIONS BEING SOUGHT BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, THEY'VE PROPOSED AN 11 MILLIMETER PIXEL PITCH SIGN, WHICH PROVIDES HIGH RESOLUTION AT THE VIEWING DISTANCE FOR THE SIGN.
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IT'S TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE ROUTE TWO 50 CENTERVILLE OVERLAY DISTRICT.UM, ONE THING I DO WANNA NOTE, UM, AS THIS IS THE OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR YOU ALL, UM, JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE, THE NEXT NEAREST ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN IS AT GLAND SALEM'S BAPTIST CHURCH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE DO HAVE A FULL LIST OF ALL OF THE CONDITIONS.
UM, AGAIN, PRIMARILY IT'S FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT REGULATES OUR SIGNS AS FAR AS MOVEMENT, DARK AT NIGHT.
AND AGAIN, ALL OF THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS FOR THE CAR WASH, UM, THAT APPLIED IN 2020 WILL STILL REMAIN AND CARRY OVER.
UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
BOARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR STAFF? JUST YEAH, I DO.
MRS. IT'S JUST FOR CONFIRMATION.
MS. A, UM, THIS ESSENTIALLY HAS WAWA AND UNITED RENTALS AS ITS NEIGHBORS.
SO SIGNAGE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS NEW IN THIS AREA.
THERE ARE LARGE SIGNS, THEY'RE JUST NOT ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGNS, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THERE ARE LARGE SIGNS IN THE VICINITY AND OTHER MAJOR COMMERCIAL OUTFITS.
THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD.
AND, AND ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT LIGHT FROM THE DRIVE SHACK WITHIN A SEVERAL HUNDRED YARDS.
SO THIS WOULD NOT BE LIGHT POLLUTION, SO TO SPEAK, CORRECT? NO.
UM, ALL OUTDOOR LIGHTING HAS TO COMPLY WITH COUNTY LIGHTING ORDINANCES.
SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, DRIVE SHACK DOES COMPLY WITH COUNTY LIGHTING, LIGHTING ORDINANCE AS FAR AS DARK SKY COMPLIANT WITH LIGHT POLLUTION.
ANYONE ELSE AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES.
I'M WITH TALLEY SIGN OUT OF RICHMOND, VIRGINIA.
UM, THERE ONE WAS ONE LITTLE ERROR ON THE PRESENTATION.
TO THE OVERHEAD SITE PLAN RIGHT THERE.
SO THE EXISTING SIGN IS THAT BLUE ONE AND WE'RE NOT REPLACING THE ENTIRE SIGN.
UM, IT WAS BUILT TO HAVE A E M C, SO IN PLACE OF THE E M C OR IF WE DIDN'T GET THE E M C, IT JUST SAYS CAR WASH AND THOSE LETTERS WILL BE REMOVED AND THE E M C BOARD WILL BE, UM, INSTALLED IN ITS PLACE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? NO.
SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY QUESTIONS? MOTION, MR. BOS? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVE CU 20 DASH 2023 DASH 0 0 2 TO ALLOW AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN AT 1504 LITTLE TUCKAHOE COURTS SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
BOARD, HOW ARE WE DOING? WE GO ONTO TO THE NEXT CASE? OR DO WE NEED TO NEED 10 MINUTES? ONE MORE.
MS. ANAI, MS. STILL ROLLING ON TO NUMBER FIVE.
[5. 5771: District 3 - CU-2023-00004 Application by Amy Norris]
NEXT, UM, YOU ALL, THIS IS THE TROUBLE WHEN WE MAKE 'EM ALL ONE PRESENTATION, YOU GET ALL THE FILLER CONTENT OR THE, UH, BACKUP SLIDES.UM, SO THEN UP NEXT WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PER, UM, APPLICATION REQUEST FROM MS. AMY NORRIS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR AN ADULT DAYCARE.
UM, AND THE PROPOSED LOCATION HERE IS IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AREA, ACTUALLY AT 29 13 RIVER ROAD WEST.
UM, BETTER KNOWN AS, UM, THE SHOPPING CENTER WHERE BELLA CECILIA IS.
UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS IN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE AREA IN A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER.
IT'S A DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA PER THE SMALL AREA PLAN.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY LOCATED PER THE SMALL AREA PLAN
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IN THE VILLAGE CORE.SO, JUST AGAIN, TO ORIENT FOLKS, IT IS DIRECTLY OFF OF ROUTE SIX OR RIVER ROAD WEST.
UM, HERE IS AN AERIAL MAP AS WELL.
JUST TO ORIENT, UM, EVERYONE TO THE LOCATION.
IT'S, UH, ANOTHER GREAT WAY TO DESCRIBE IT IS IT'S NEARLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR COURTHOUSE LAWN.
SO LOOKING AT OUR ZONING MAP AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT PER THE ZONING, IT IS BUSINESS GENERAL CURRENTLY.
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR IT TO BE THE VILLAGE CORE, WHICH IS A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL AND, UM, RETAIL OFFICE SERVICE INDUSTRY USES WHILE WORKING TO PRESERVE A HISTORIC FEEL.
SO, AGAIN, JUST TOUCHING ON THAT, THIS APPLICATION IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE SMALL AREA VILLAGE PLAN, THE VILLAGE CORE LAND USE DESIGNATION, AND I TOUCHED ON THAT EARLIER, BUT I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
WITHIN THE VILLAGE CORE, UM, THE INTENT IS TO HAVE A VIBRANT MIXED USE VILLAGE THAT HAS PRESERVED HISTORIC FABRIC AND NEW INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS APPROPRIATELY SCALED TO HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, USE AND DENSITY, PRIMARY RETAIL SERVICE OFFICE, LODGING, RESIDENTIAL.
UM, ONE THING THAT I WILL SAY IS, UM, THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPOSED APPLICATION, UM, ONE ALREADY HAS A SPECIFIC LOOK AND FEEL AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR OR THE LOOK AND FEEL.
IT'S REALLY THE INSIDE FUNCTIONALITY.
UM, ONE THING I WILL ALSO NOTE IS WITHIN THE ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY, THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME MEDICAL OFFICE SPACE, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
AND PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS MEDICAL OFFICE FACILITIES OR MEDICAL OFFICE.
MEDICAL SERVICES MIGHT BE A BETTER TERM, UM, OF A DIALYSIS CENTER.
AND THERE WAS SOME, UM, MEDICAL SERVICES.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD, UM, OF MAY 11TH, 2023.
A FEW QUESTIONS WERE ASKED JUST ABOUT OVERALL BUSINESS PLANS, BUT AGAIN, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT THIS IS POTENTIALLY A NICHE AND A SERVICE NEED OVERALL, ATTENDEES WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND NO ONE REALLY EXPRESSED ANY, UM, CONCERN OR OPPOSITION.
THIS WAS HEARD AT THE JULY 6TH PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS ON A FIVE OH VOTE, AND ONE CITIZEN SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
UM, SO AGAIN, JUST A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ORIENTING YOU ALL.
I MENTIONED THAT IT'S BEHIND BELLA CECILIA, AND IT DOES, THE PROPOSED APPLICATION DOES PLAN TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE THE ENTIRE LOWER LEVEL OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, SO THAT REALLY IS CREATING A, UM, NEEDED USE FOR A MUCH NEEDED, UM, LIFE INTO A SPACE THAT HAS BEEN EMPTY FOR SOME TIME.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS ACTUALLY WILL BE, UM, SERVING 25 CLIENTS AND AS I MENTIONED, UM, PROVIDING SOME LIFE INTO A SPACE THAT'S BEEN SITTING EMPTY.
IT WILL EMPLOY, UM, AS IT STANDS NOW, ROUGHLY SIX PEOPLE.
AND IT'S ALSO JUST IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE REFERENCE ADULT DAYCARE, IT WILL BE LICENSED BY THE STATE.
AND, UM, OVERSIGHT IS PROVIDED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES.
AND IT'S TIGHTLY REGULATED AS FAR AS FACILITY RULES, REGULATIONS, NOT ANYTHING THAT THE COUNTY OVERSEES, BUT AGAIN, DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES AS FAR AS STATE ENTITY.
UM, THERE'S SOME C U P CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE, UM, PROPOSED AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO, AND THIS IS FOR A STANDARD FIVE YEAR C U P.
UM, AND AGAIN, I DO WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT MEDICAL OFFICE SPACE AS WELL, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR STAFF? OKAY.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD THEY LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD? YES, SIR.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS A PRESENTATION.
I THINK I CAN GET, I THINK I'M GETTING PRETTY, OH, YEAH, I, I'M WORKING MAGIC ALL OVER TONIGHT.
I'M A LIFETIME RESIDENT HERE AT GLAND COUNTY.
UM, AS SHE STATED THE MICROPHONE, I GET A BIT CLOSER.
YOU CAN JUST, YOU CAN JUST BRING IT DOWN.
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CARE, SOCIAL CARE, HELPING 'EM WITH THEIR, UM, ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING.THIS IS JUST EXPLAINING ME TO AMY, WHO I AM A LIFETIME RESIDENT HERE.
AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE, UM, I HAVE A BACHELOR'S IN HEALTHCARE MANAGEMENT AND I RECENTLY GOT MY MASTER'S IN HEALTHCARE ADMINISTRATION.
I'M A CARING MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY WHOSE GOAL IS TO PROVIDE CARE FOR AGENTS, ADULTS.
I HAVE A THING FOR THEM, UM, AS SHE TOLD YOU, THAT WAS MY WHOLE BOTTOM LYNDON'S HOME IS THE NAME.
A BREADTH OF HOPE IS WHAT MY MISSION IS TO GIVE TO FAMILIES AND CAREGIVERS.
WE WILL BE, WE WILL HAVE, UM, STAFF, OF COURSE, UM, TO PROVIDED MEALS A DAY, SOCIAL ACTIVITIES DROP OFF, PICK UP, AND A WHOLE LOT MORE DEPENDING ON THE NEED OF THAT INDIVIDUAL.
MY PURPOSE IS TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY A PLACE THAT THEIR AGING COMMUNITY CAN COME OR THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY CAN COME.
I'M GONNA SERVICE AGING ADULTS 65 PLUS OR 18 YEARS PLUS AN ADULT IS AN ADULT.
UM, BUT I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT'S REQUIRING TOTAL CARE.
IT'S JUST A PLACE THAT THEY HAVE SUPERVISION AND HELP WITH THEIR ACTIVITIES, THAT THEY LIVE IN A WAY TO KEEP THEM HOME AND INDEPENDENT AS LONG AS YOU CAN.
MY VISION IS TO PROVIDE A BREATH OF HOPE TO THE FAMILY AND THE ADULTS IS CARING FOR THEM.
MY MISSION IS TO NURTURE AND ENGAGE THE TREE OF LIFE ONE AGENT, ADULT AT A TIME.
AND THEN THIS IS JUST SOME PICTURES OF WHAT THE INSIDE OF LYNDON'S HOME WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND THAT'S THE OUTSIDE, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY CARE OFFICE ALSO.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LYNDON'S HOME RIGHT NOW.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. NORRIS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
LINDA MOORE, 2164 PROFIT ROAD, VNI AND SBOT.
I AM ECSTATIC WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR AGING, UH, SENIORS, UM, AND INDIVIDUALS WITH, UM, DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES OR DISABILITIES.
AS YOU KNOW, UM, BEING A PRIMARY CAREGIVER IS A GRUELING TASK SOMETIMES.
UM, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME WAY TO RELIEVE THE ONGOING STRESS SHE IS OFFER.
AMY IS OFFERING A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY IN A CARING SETTING, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE IT AND WELCOME HER TO NEW BUSINESS.
ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
STAFF OR ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OH, SURE.
UM, JUST ONE COMMENT I WOULD MAKE, UM, IS SINCE C O MEDICARE AND MEDICAID FRAUD WITH ELDERLY AND DISABLED, IT'S GONE RAMPANT.
SO THIS HAS A DISTINCT TAXPAYER BENEFIT TO ALL OF US IN ADDITION TO THE CAREGIVING THAT IT PROVIDES.
SO IT'S, UH, A WIN-WIN FROM A, UM, CARE FOR ADULTS AS WELL AS CARE FOR OUR TAXPAYERS, UM, MONEY.
THANK YOU MR. S, MR. LUMPKINS? YEP.
YOU CAN STAY THERE AND I'LL JUST, UH, ARE YOU LEASING THE PROPERTY? YES.
SO, SO, UH, CHRISTIE, MAYBE FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
UM, THIS IS, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS, THIS ONLY APPLIES TO THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON CU TURN OUT FOR ADULT TAKE CARE CENTER ON 1.837 ACRES AT 29 13 ON WESTBROOK SUBJECT.
JUST READING THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE IMPOSING ALL THESE CONDITIONS ON THE ENTIRE 1.837 ACRES.
AND I, BUT I BELIEVE THERE ARE OTHER BUSINESSES THERE ON THAT SAME PROPERTY.
UM, THERE ARE, UH, THESE, UM, WE DID TALK TO PLANNING STAFF ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF JUST HAVING THIS REFERRED TO SAY THE, THE DOWNSTAIRS, WHICH IS THE SECTION THAT IT'S INTENDED TO BE IN.
BUT THESE CONDITIONS ONLY APPLY FOR ANY SPACE ON THAT PROPERTY BEING USED IN AS AN ADULT DAYCARE CENTER.
SO THE REST OF THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO THE PIZZA PLACE OR THE CONSIGN, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, PENCE IS, THIS IS ONLY FOR WHEREVER YOU'RE DOING ADULT DAYCARE ON THAT PROPERTY.
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ALL THE BUSINESSES ON THE FRONT SHUT DOWN OR, OR, OR THE OWNER DOESN'T RENEW THEIR LEASES, WE HAVE THEN THIS HAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO PUT AN ADULT DAYCARE CENTER IN THAT ENTIRE BUILDING? THAT'S CORRECT.ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOTICE THAT IT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT AND CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL.
SO THERE IS, WHICH WAS MY NEXT QUESTION, IT SAID IT SHALL CONFORM TO SOMETHING IN 2007 TWO TWO A C O A, WHAT DOES C O A STAND FOR? CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL CERTIFICATE.
CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL IN 2007, AND THEN A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT ALSO FROM 2007.
UM, UM, THOSE ARE PLANNING DOCUMENTS.
THEY'RE NOT, UM, ON FILE A PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
BUT I GUESS YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THAT PROVISION I CAN, I CAN PROCEED WITH THIS KNOWING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS FEEDBACK'S COMING FROM.
UM, THAT, THAT THERE'S IN MYS IN MY SCENARIO CHAIR, I'M MOVING.
UM, IN, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS, EVEN THOUGH THIS C U P APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, THAT P O D PROVISION IN THERE IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW ANY MORE OF THAT PROPERTY TO BE USED FOR A DAYCARE CENTER? UM, THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY TRUE.
THE, BECAUSE WE ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT CONDITION THAT IT CAN BE, UH, THOSE, BOTH THE C O A, WHICH YOU GET BECAUSE IT'S AN OVERLAY DISTRICT, YOU GET THAT FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND ALSO THE P O D, WHICH IS A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT APPROVED BY COUNTY STAFF.
IT ALSO SAYS, OR ANY AMENDMENTS HEREINAFTER APPROVED.
SO THEY COULD CHANGE THAT, THOSE DOCUMENTS TO ALLOW THIS ENTIRE STRUCTURE TO BE USED AS A ADULT DAYCARE.
BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO, THAT'S SUBJECT TO BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVAL? NO, SIR.
THE P O D IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL ON BEHALF OF PLANNING STAFF, AND THE C O A IS THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH DOES HAVE AN APPEAL PROCESS TO THIS BOARD.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN I, I THINK I, I HAVE WITH THIS.
BUT THEN THE OTHER THING IS PRIOR, AND I, AND I LOOKED THROUGH THE PAPERS AND I SEE THAT THE OWNER OF COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, L L C, THE OWNER DID, DID I AUTHORIZE MS. NORRIS TO PROCEED WITH THIS.
BUT AGAIN, THE TRANSFER OR LEASE SAYS PRIOR TO, TO THE TRANSFER OR LEASE OF THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY OWNERS SHALL NOTIFY IN WRITING DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA.
SO AGAIN, I, I WORRY THAT THAT LANGUAGE IS PRETTY BROAD.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD EVER INTERPRET IT IN THE WAY THAT IT COULD BE INTERPRETED, BUT AGAIN, IT'S BROADER THAN WHAT I THINK IS NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE.
MR. LUMPKINS, UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, AND ONE THING THAT I WILL STATE IS, UM, FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY AND USE, THERE IS RETROFITTING THAT IS REQUIRED, WHICH THEN, UM, REQUIRES A BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH THEN ALSO REQUIRES ZONING AS WELL AS ZONING COMPLIANCE AND A, UM, ZONING CERTIFICATION.
SO AGAIN, IT WOULD NOT BE, UM, A SCENARIO WHERE OVERNIGHT ALL OF A SUDDEN, UM, WE'RE SEEING A, UH, WHOLESALE, YOU KNOW, QUARTER BLOCK, UM, YOU KNOW, FACILITY BEING, UH, DEVELOPED.
AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA GO THROUGH THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UM, YOU ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IS LEASING THE REAR PORTION.
THERE'S OTHER TENANTS AT THIS TIME.
I MEAN, THIS IS A FIVE YEAR C U P.
WELL, YOU, YOU SAID IT GOES THROUGH A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
I'M USED TO SEEING THESE CONDITIONS THAT SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT SAY THAT THIS, THIS IS, NOW THIS ONLY THING THIS SAYS IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH EXISTING P O D ON FILE, BUT THEY DO HAVE A NO, A NEW PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
THEY WILL BE PULLING BUILDING PERMITS, MY APOLOGIES.
AND FROM THAT, THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH BUILDING CODE AS WELL AS ZONING.
AND, UM, THERE WILL BE ZONING COMPLIANCE THAT GOES WITH THAT.
MS. ANUS IN THE PACKET, IT HAS CURRENT EXISTING LAYOUTS AND PROPOSED LAYOUTS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN, UM, ENSURE THAT IT'S, IT'S JUST THE OFFICE, JUST THE SPACE THAT WE ARE? UM, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING IT IS, YES, SIR.
UM, WE CAN LOOK AT AND, UH, WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO HAVE THEM SUBMIT A, UM, PROPOSED LAYOUT SO THAT IT DOES, UM, UH, REFERENCE AND ONLY COMPRISE THE ENTIRE LOWER LEVEL.
AND IT DOES REFERENCE THAT, THAT THAT PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT'S ALREADY ON FILE.
THERE'S AN EXISTING PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE ENTIRE, UM, COMMERCIAL CENTER.
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UM, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S TENANTS THAT CHANGE, UM, AND GO THROUGH THE LEASING PROCESS WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER.UM, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF, UM, SERVICE PROVIDERS IN THAT LOWER LEVEL.
AND THERE WAS DIALYSIS, THERE WAS MEDICAL OFFICE SPACE.
UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME SUBLETTING OF JUST GENERAL OFFICE USE, AND THE APPLICANT HAS THE RIGHT IN THE, IN THE LOWER HALF OF THIS TO DO MEDICAL OFFICES, WHICH ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
SO WHATEVER PORTION OF THE LOWER, YOU KNOW, THAT SHE MAY BE RENTING, COULD BE MEDICAL OFFICES, COULD BE ADULT DAYCARE.
THESE CONDITIONS APPLY ONLY IF A USE FOR ADULT DAYCARE IS IN AND ONLY TO THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
THAT IS WHERE THE ADULT DAYCARE IS.
IT'S A, IT'S A SMALLER SECTION ONLY WHERE THE USE IS.
UH, UNDER THE CONDITIONS AS WRITTEN.
AND THE BOARD COULD CHANGE THE CONDITIONS TO LIMIT IT.
IT COULD EXPAND TO THE ENTIRE 1.83 ACRES UNDER AS WRITTEN.
I MEAN, JUST TO FOLLOW THAT LOGIC, IF LET'S SAY THEY OPEN THE BUSINESS, IT'S WILDLY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND FOR THESE KIND OF SERVICES, AND THEY DO WANNA EXPAND AND ADD SOME SQUARE FEET, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'D WANT THEM TO GO BACK THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS FOR? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'D VIEW AS A GOOD THING? OH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF THEY'RE, I, I, I WISH THEM THE BEST, BUT, UH, AND I THINK THERE'S A NEED, AND I, I KNOW THEY'LL DO WELL IF, IF, IF, UH, SHE RUNS A GOOD BUSINESS, IT'LL DO WELL.
I'M NOT TRYING TO IMPOSE MORE BURDENS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE APPROVING UNDERSTAND.
AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.
UH, AND USUALLY THIS, THE APPLICANT USUALLY IS THE OWNER AND IT TRANSFERS WITH THE OWNER WHEN THE OWNER TRANSFERS THE PROPERTY.
IN THIS CASE, IF THE LEASE IS NOT RENEWED, UM, THIS PERMISSION, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT STILL REMAINS WITH THE PROPERTY.
AND IF AND WHEN THE PROPERTY IS SOLD WITH TRANSFER WITH THAT PROPERTY, WITH NOTICE TO THE COUNTY AND NOTICE TO THE RIGHT, OR IF IT'S LEASED TO A DIFFERENT PERSON OR ENTITY, ALSO THE LEASE IS TRANSFERRED.
WELL, WE, THESE, EVERY TIME WE APPROVE A C A P HERE IN THE COUNTY, IT IS, IT'S PART OF OUR ORDINANCE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
IT'S NEVER LIMITED TO WHO'S STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU.
THE APPLICANT IS NOT ALWAYS THE PROPERTY OWNER.
YOU GET CONTRACT PURCHASERS SURE.
AND FOLKS LIKE THIS WHO WANT TO OPERATE A BUSINESS PURSUANT TO A LEASE.
I WOULDN'T SAY THAT APPLICANTS ARE REGULARLY PROPERTY OWNERS.
THEY'RE ONE OF THE MANY WHO COULD, COULD BE YOUR APPLICANT.
SO THIS IS COMING TO US BECAUSE ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY IS NOT A CURRENT USE AND IT'S NOT A BUY RIGHT USE.
SO THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER USES OF, SO WE'VE GOT A RESTAURANT THERE NOW.
WE'VE GOT, WE REHAB FACILITY, WE HAVE A LITTLE RETAIL BUSINESS.
ALL THOSE STILL REMAIN BY RIGHT.
AND THEN THIS CONDITIONAL USE, SO THIS JUST ADDS TO THE POTENTIAL USES FOR THE BUILDING.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE OTHER USES ARE BY RIGHT.
BUT LET ME SLIDE MY GAZE OVER TO YEP.
I'M GETTING NODS FROM PLANNING STAFF.
ALL THOSE OTHER USES ARE BY, RIGHT.
IS THAT THE BULLPEN OVER THERE NOW?
WE COULD ALSO CALL IT THE THINK TANK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MOTION? I, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MOVE WITH, UH, LET ME LOOK AT THE, UH, CONDITIONAL.
I, I WOULD ASK, SINCE THIS IS A C U P, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF SHE WOULD CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT TO THE USE.
AN ADULT DAYCARE CENTER MAY BE OPERATED ON THE PROPERTY ON THE LOWER SECTION OF THE BUILDING.
I JUST WONDER WHAT, WHAT ITEM IS THAT? THAT'S GONNA BE USE NUMBER ONE, AN ADULT DAYCARE.
IT SAYS RIGHT NOW ADULT DAYCARE CENTER MAY BE OPERATED ON THE PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THESE CONDITIONS.
MS. NORRIS, COULD YOU COME FORWARD? SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE WAY THAT THE PAPERWORK IS WRITTEN NOW, UH, FROM HOW IT'S BEEN PROPOSED TO US, SAYS THAT ONCE THIS IS APPROVED, THE ENTIRE BUILDING UPSTAIRS AND DOWNSTAIRS CAN BE USED AS AN ADULT, UM, DAYCARE CENTER.
AS YOU'RE ASKING, WHAT MR. LUMPKINS IS, IS ASKING IS, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO, UH, CHANGING YOUR, UH, PROFFER TO SAY, UH, THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO THE LOWER LEVEL AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
CAN I ASK THE QUESTION? YES, YES, YES, PLEASE.
SO MY QUESTION, MOVE CLOSER TO THE MIC.
SO MY QUESTION IS, I'M ONLY LEASING THE SUITE K, WHICH IS THE LOWER LEVEL.
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CORRECT? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WHAT YOU NEEDED TO SAY.IT'S ONLY ONE SIDE OF SUITE K THAT'S GONNA BE USED FOR THE ADULT DAYCARE, AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA BE DO FOR MY WHOLE LEASE DURATION.
AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IF, IF IT APPROVED AS IT WAS BROUGHT TO US BY STAFF MM-HMM.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IS, IS POSSIBLE, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH US KEEPING IT JUST TO THAT AREA THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON CURRENTLY? YES.
AND, AND, AND SO MS. MCGEE, WILL YOU HELP US, AN ADULT DAYCARE CENTER MAYBE OPERATED ON THE PROPERTY? MS. NORRIS IS, YOU'RE ONLY USING SUITE K.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE TO SEE WHAT SUITE K IS, BUT IF WE JUST SAY THE ADULT DAYCARE CENTER MAY BE OPERATED IN THE WHOLE LOWER LEVEL, WILL THAT COVER YOU AND MAYBE A LITTLE MORE, WHICH IS FINE.
SO YOU, YOU'RE NOT, ARE YOU LEASING THE ENTIRE LOWER LEVEL? LOWER LEVEL? THE ENTIRE LOWER LEVEL.
THEN, THEN WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT SO THAT YOU CAN, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, THAT YOU CAN ADULT OPERATE AN ADULT DAYCARE CENTER IN THE ENTIRE LOWER LEVEL, WILL THAT, THAT'LL MEET YOUR NEEDS.
YOUR, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED MY HELP, MR. LUKINS.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD SAY.
TO ADD, UM, AN ADULT DAYCARE CENTER MAY BE OPERATED ON THE LOWER LEVEL OF THE CURRENT IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S RIGHTS TO BUILD MORE, MORE ON, DO YOU THINK CURRENT BUILDING ON THE LOWER LEVEL OF THE CURRENT BUILDING? THERE YOU GO.
SO YOU HONOR, SO, SO I, I MOVE THAT THE UCHIN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY MS. NORRIS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN ADULT DAYCARE CENTER.
UM, CASE NUMBER 20 23 4 WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS.
AND MS. MCGEE, WOULD YOU THAT CONDITION ONE READ AN ADULT DAYCARE CENTER MAY BE OPERATED ON THE LOWER LEVEL OF THE CURRENT BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THESE CONDITIONS? THANK YOU.
BOARD, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, SIR? MR. CHAIR? I JUST GOTTA WEIGH IN AGAIN HERE.
UM, UH, IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE USE? YES.
IS THERE APPROPRIATE LOCATION? YES.
DO WE NEED TO CONFINE THE SUCCESS TO THE SUITE? K I, THAT'S WHERE YOU LOSE ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, NOW I'VE SAID MY PIECE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE? NOPE.
I, I AGREE WITH SUPERVISOR PETERSON.
UM, BUT ALSO DON'T WANNA HOLD UP THIS PROCESS AND WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, MS. NORRIS GETS WHAT SHE'S REQUESTING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, ROLL CALL.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE, UH, 10 MINUTES, UH, RECESS.
SO, UH, PLEASE COME BACK WITH A BIG HAND ON THE 10.
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10 SECONDS.WE ARE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT ALONG.
THERE'S SIXTH CASE, UM, IN DISTRICT THREE, MS. SINUS
[6. 5705: District 3 - RZ-2023-00001 Application by I-64 Industrial, LLC]
BACKED BY POPULAR DEMAND.UM, SO YES, THIS IS YOUR SIXTH CASE THIS EVENING.
IT'S A REZONING REQUEST FOR, UM, AN I 64 INDUSTRIAL L L C.
UM, SO AGAIN, I JUST WANNA GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS.
THIS APPLICANT ACTUALLY APPROACHED OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE LAST SUMMER, UM, IN 2022 TO DISCUSS THE NEED THAT THEY SAW FOR INDUSTRIAL SPACE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE SMALLER USERS AND POTENTIAL LOCATIONS THAT THERE MAY BE FOR THIS TYPE OF USE WITHIN THE COUNTY.
UM, SO AGAIN, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS PROPOSED APPLICATION IS 84 ACRES JUST OFF OF THE OILVILLE EXIT NEAR PONY FARM ROAD.
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SO IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THAT EXIT OF PONY FARM ROAD IN OILVILLE.UM, ONE THING I'LL ALSO SAY IS THIS CASE IS A LITTLE UNIQUE.
UM, IT ALSO HAS A, UM, CASE RUNNING CONCURRENTLY IN HANOVER COUNTY AS WELL AT THIS MOMENT, UM, WHICH IS GOING THROUGH THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THIS LOCATION IS IN THE OILVILLE OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT REFLECTED IN SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS PROPOSED IN WORKING WITH THE APPLICATION APPLICANT ON THE APPLICATION.
SO AGAIN, JUST ORIENTING FOLKS.
UM, THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS OFF OF INTERSTATE 64 AT THE OILVILLE EXIT NEAR PONY FARM ROAD.
HERE IS AN AERIAL MAP DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN, UM, OF WHERE IT IS LOCATED CURRENTLY.
UM, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES NEARBY ARE INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL AND SOME RESIDENTIAL WITH EXISTING ZONING.
UM, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS WITH THE ZONING AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARDS TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHILE IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED A TWO, THIS PROPERTY, OUR COMP PLAN, UM, ADDED THE OILVILLE VILLAGE IN 1991 TO OUR COMP PLAN.
THE MAPS, UM, ALSO DESIGNATED THAT AREA AS INDUSTRIAL.
AT THAT TIME, IT REMAINED INDUSTRIAL UNTIL THE 1997 COMP PLAN UPDATE.
IT WAS THEN CHANGED TO RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN IN 2003, AND THEN BACK IN 2008, IT WAS CHANGED BACK TO INDUSTRIAL.
AND IT HAS BEEN INDUSTRIAL IN THE COMP PLAN SINCE 2008.
SO THIS PROPERTY HAS GONE THROUGH SOME MULTIPLE ITERATIONS WITH, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME KIND OF CONTEXT ON THAT.
UM, THE ADJACENT ZONING HISTORY, AGAIN ACROSS, UM, THE PROPERTY M ONE, UM, THAT WAS ADOPTED WITH THE ORIGINAL ZONING MAPS IN 1969.
THERE'S OILVILLE BUSINESS PARK, UM, THAT WAS REZONED IN 1988, SO THAT'S A LONGSTANDING BUSINESS PARK.
UM, AND AGAIN, UM, THAT THERE IS A B ONE ON OILVILLE ROAD RUNNING TO I 64.
AND SO, UM, THAT WAS ADOPTED WITH THE ORIGINAL ZONING MAPS IN 1969 AS WELL.
SO REALLY, UH, WHAT WE'RE JUST SEEING IS A, UH, NEW APPLICATION COMING FORWARD IN OUR MODERN TIME OF HOW WE HANDLE LAND USE AND GOING THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS, MAKING SURE WE HAVE CONDITIONS, MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES, UM, AND THAT THINGS FIT WITH OUR COMP PLAN AS WELL AS WITH ADJACENT USES.
UM, SO AGAIN, LITTLE BIT ON, UM, THE CURRENT COMP PLAN.
THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF INDUSTRIAL, THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES THAT WE TALK ABOUT IN THE COMP PLAN.
UM, FOR INDUSTRIAL, AGAIN, THEY TALK ABOUT, UM, DIRECT DEVELOPMENT TO DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS, OR I 64 INTERCHANGES.
AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS LOCATED RIGHT NEAR AN INTERSTATE INTERCHANGE.
IT'S ACTUALLY A HALF MILE FROM THE I 64 INTERCHANGE.
UM, ALSO ONE OF OUR SPECIFIC STRATEGIES IS TO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND EXPANSION, PROMOTE HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE DESIGNS THAT OCCURS THROUGH OUR OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH THIS, UM, SITE IS IN, UM, ENCOURAGING LANDSCAPING THAT ENHANCES DEVELOPMENT, DISCOURAGING PROLIFERATION, PROLIFERATION OF SIGNS.
UM, MR. SPOONER, I KNOW YOU'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT, AND TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH NEIGHBORING USES, USES, WHICH IS SOMETHING I'VE ALREADY TOUCHED ON.
UM, JUST WHAT OUR ADJACENT NEARBY USES AND ENCOURAGE INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN USES OR AT LEAST MAKING SURE WE'RE HAVING CONNECTIVITY TO OTHER PARCELS AND OTHER PROPERTIES NEARBY, UM, SO THAT WE DON'T LANDLOCK SOMEONE.
SO TOUCHING ON THAT, UH, BUILDING, UH, I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT, AS I MENTIONED, HAD REACHED OUT TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE.
THIS PROPOSED APPLICATION ALSO, UM, COINCIDES WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.
UM, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT IN THAT IT ENCOURAGES INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT NEAR OUR INTERCHANGES AND IT DIRECTS GROWTH TO AREAS WITH EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND BY THAT I MEAN IN THIS INSTANCE, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE WATER AND SEWER ASPECT, IT'S THE ROAD NETWORK AND THAT INTER INTERCHANGE CONNECTIVITY PIECE.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE REACHED OUT TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF TO ASSESS THEIR THOUGHTS AND THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD ADDRESS THAT NEED THAT I, THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER FOR SMALL LOT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT, NOT EVERYONE NEEDS A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, SOME INDUSTRIAL OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UM, OR, UH, WAREHOUSING, UM, OPERATIONS.
YEAH, 20,000 FEET, 13,000 FEET SQUARE FEET IN OPERATIONS.
SO GOLAND COWING HAS ACTUALLY BEEN UNABLE TO PLACE FIVE PROJECTS IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
AND THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS ESSENTIAL FOR OUR SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE WORKING TO SPAN, EXPAND, OR LOCATE WITHIN THE COUNTY.
AND AGAIN, THAT FALLS IN LINE WITH OUR
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RETENTION EFFORTS.SO THIS APPLICATION WAS HEARD AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON MARCH 2ND.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A THREE ONE VOTE.
NINE CITIZEN SPOKE IN OPPOSITION.
UM, THERE WAS A WIDE ARRAY OF CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD, UM, GOING FROM TRAFFIC PROPERTY VALUES, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONNECTIVITY, UTILITIES, TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, HOURS OF OPERATION BUFFERS, AND THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
ONE THING I WILL NOTE ON THE UTILITIES CONCERN THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS TO ADDRESS IS, WHILE THERE IS NOT PUBLIC UTILITIES AT THE SITE, THE APPLICANT IS PROFFERING A 30,000 GALLON CISTERN, WHICH THEN WILL HELP WITH FIRE SUPPRESSION AND IT CAN ACTUALLY BE USED BY FIRE RESCUE TO SERVE ADJOINING OR ADJACENT LOTS IN THAT NEED.
UM, AND AGAIN, JUST THE HISTORY ON THIS GLAND COUNTY HAS DEFERRED THIS THREE TIMES.
ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS IS THAT, THAT OUR INTENT HAS BEEN FOR THIS TO RUN CONCURRENT WITH HANOVER COUNTY.
UM, THE INDUSTRIAL PARK GOOD PORTION IS IN KUCHIN.
SO THE THEORY WAS TO LET THEM RUN CONCURRENT AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO ALLOW THAT, UM, TO OCCUR.
SO AGAIN, IT WAS DEFERRED JUNE 6TH, IT WAS DEFERRED JULY 3RD, AND IT WAS DEFERRED AUGUST TO AUGUST 1ST.
NOW, UM, BY GLAND COUNTY, HANOVER COUNTY'S PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD IT ON JULY 20TH.
THEY ACTUALLY HELD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING AND DETERMINED THEY WOULD DEFER FOR 30 DAYS, AT WHICH TIME THEN THEIR INTENT IS TO COME BACK AND VOTE ON THE MATTER.
THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, NOT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THEY WOULD DEFER FOR 30 DAYS AND THEN RECONVENE AND VOTE.
WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING BACK ON JANUARY 26TH, 2023.
THERE WERE 20 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE, UM, AND THEY WERE FROM GLAND AS WELL AS HANOVER COUNTY.
UM, NO OUTRIGHT OPPOSITION WAS EXPRESSED AT THAT TIME.
REALLY WHAT WE SAW WAS A LOT OF FOLKS WANTING TO COME LEARN AND OBTAIN INFORMATION, FIGURING OUT WHAT WAS COMING, WHAT WAS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE GOING ON.
UM, WE DID SEE SOME CONCERNS RAISED, YOU KNOW, JUST IN GENERAL WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, WHAT ARE THE DAYS OF THE WEEK AND HOURS OF OPERATION? UM, YOU'LL NOTE, UM, LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION WE TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT STAFF, UM, HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET AN EXACT WINDOW ON.
UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, NOISE WAS ALSO NOTED IN TRUCK TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION OF PONY FARM AND OILVILLE ROADS.
UM, THERE WAS A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DONE, AND I'LL GET INTO THAT LATER AS WELL.
WE'VE RECEIVED SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INPUT SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY JUST LAST MONTH.
UM, 25 EMAILS IN OPPOSITION, RAISING SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT PERMITTED USES, OPPOSING THE USE HOURS OF OPERATION.
AND WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED 17 EMAILS IN SUPPORT FROM SMALL BUSINESS SUPPORTING THE NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UM, IN TOTAL, THIS INDUSTRIAL PARK WILL COMPRISE 14 LOTS.
UM, THE AVERAGE LOT WILL BE ABOUT THREE ACRES.
UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A 50 FOOT BUFFER ON THE EASTERN AND WESTERN BOUNDARIES.
UM, A 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON PONY FARM ROAD, WHICH THEN DOES FALL INTO THE OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS.
AND I DID MENTION THAT 30,000 GALLON CISTERN AND AN EASEMENT, AN ACCESS EASEMENT, UM, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY BE AT LOT ONE.
AND I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M TOO FAR AWAY TO ACTUALLY VISIBLY SEE, WHICH IS LOT ONE.
MR. PETERSON, IF YOU WOULD OBLIGE.
UM, RIGHT BEHIND A LOT ONE, THERE WILL BE AN ACCESS EASEMENT PROVIDED TO THE A TWO PROPERTY THAT IS THERE WHERE THERE IS A RESIDENCE AND AN EXISTING AGRICULTURAL USES OCCURRING.
UM, SO THAT AGREEMENT HAS BEEN WORKED OUT WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND THERE WILL BE AN ACCESS EASEMENT.
I WILL ALSO SAY THAT ALL OPEN AREAS THAT ARE LISTED HERE, AS WELL AS THE ACCESS EASEMENT WILL BE MAINTAINED BY A BUSINESS OWNER'S ASSOCIATION SO THAT AS BUSINESSES COME INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT, JUST LIKE WE HAVE HOAS THAT MAINTAIN, UM, OPEN SPACE OR OTHER THINGS WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT, THE BUSINESS OWNER'S ASSOCIATION WILL DO THE SAME.
SO JUST WANNA GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF A SUMMARY ON THE PROFFERS.
UM, THEY ARE, UM, LIMITING USES.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NOT AN HOURS OF OPERATION YET TO FIND INTENSE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT.
UM, AGAIN, AS THIS IS THE OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR OILVILLE, EAST AND WEST BOUNDARIES OF THE SITE HAVE A PROPOSED 50 FOOT BUFFER.
THEY ARE PROFFERING THEIR CONCEPTUAL, UM, THEY'RE PROFFERING THAT ACCESS EASEMENT I REFERENCED, AS WELL AS PROFFERING THAT 30,000 GALLON CISTERN TANK.
AND THEY'RE PROFFERING THAT THE COMMON AREAS, INCLUDING EASEMENTS, WILL BE MAINTAINED BY A BUSINESS ASSOCIATION.
IN ADDITION, THEY'RE PROFFERING THINGS SUCH AS WE OFTEN SEE SCREENING
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OF ALL OUTDOOR STORAGE AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE LIMITED TO A THREE LOTS WHOSE PRINCIPAL USE IS OUTDOOR STORAGE.UM, THEY'RE PROFFERING, UM, A RIGHT TURN LANE WITH REQUEST TO WAVE THE LEFT TURN LANE.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, UH, DIVED INTO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UM, AND A 20 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION.
INTERIOR ROADS WILL BE BUILT TO STATE STANDARDS AND JUST AGAIN, SOME OF THE PROFFERS CONTINUED ABOUT WHAT WILL NOT BE PERMITTED.
AIRPORT ANIMAL SHELTER, ASPHALT, CONCRETE PLANT, CAR WASH, COMPOSTING FACILITY, RESTAURANT DEBRIS, JUNK STORAGE, MATERIAL RECOVERY FACILITY, SAND AND GRAVEL, PIT QUARRY MINING, COMMERCIAL SAWMILL, PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, BUT NOT INCLUDING PRIVATE EVENTS, OTHERWISE PERMITTED A GAS STATION, PETROLEUM STORAGE.
UM, BUT THAT WILL NOT APPLY TO SAY, A BUSINESS THAT HAS A PRIVATE TANK FOR FLEET FUELING TRUCK TERMINAL RETAIL, BUT NOT INCLUDING AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO AN OTHERWISE PERMITTED USE IN A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE KENNEL.
SO THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE THING THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IS JUST THE TRANSPORTATION AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE PROXIMITY TO THE INTERCHANGE.
UM, SO WITH REGARDS TO ACCESS MANAGEMENT, THIS LOCATION IS, UH, MENTIONED IN OUR MAJOR THROUGH FAN, SORRY, MY MOUTH'S DRY.
OUR MAJOR THROUGH FAIR PLAN IDENTIFIES PONY FARM ROAD AS A MINOR COLLECTOR ROAD.
SO BASED ON THAT PER COUNTY CODE RIGHT AND TURN RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES ARE REQUIRED.
THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DONE RECOMMENDS A RIGHT TURN LANE BUT NOT A LEFT TURN LANE.
THE LEFT TURN LANE WAS NOT WARRANTED PER VDOT.
UM, AND WHEN WE DID THE ANALYSES THAT WE RECEIVED AND WHEN WE REVIEWED IT, UM, OUR TRANSPORTATION MANAGER CONCURRED THAT THE MAJORITY OF VEHICLES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE TRAVELING TO THIS SITE FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES WOULD BE ACCESSING THE SITE FROM INTERSTATE 64.
THE ACTUAL VEHICLES PER DAY COUNT THAT WE RECEIVED WAS 818 VEHICLES.
UM, AND AGAIN, I WANNA ALSO EMPHASIZE THAT PONY FARM FARM ROAD INTERSECTION AS IT STANDS NOW IN THE MORNING, IS RATED AS AN A INTERSECTION IN THE AFTERNOON.
CURRENTLY IT IS RATED AS A B INTERSECTION.
SO COUNTY STAFF, UM, YOU, YOU MAY BE ASKING WHY WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE INTERSECTION IS CONSIDERED AN OFFSITE IMPROVEMENT CONSTRUCTION OF THE TURN LANE WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO OBTAIN RIGHT AWAY FROM AT LEAST TWO UNAFFILIATED PROPERTIES.
AND THREE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT DOES NOT DEGRADE THE INTERSECTION LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO IT'S NOT IMPACTING THAT IN ANY ADVERSE WAY.
UM, IF THEIR TRAFFIC WAS PROJECTED TO BE MORE INTENSE AND WOULD DEGRADE THE INTERSECTION'S LEVEL OF SERVICE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ASK THEM TO MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS BY CONTRIBUTING THE TURN LANE.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH THIS PROJECT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
OKAY, MS. UH, AN I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
ONE, WOULD YOU GO BACK TO, UM, THE USES, UM, IT SOUNDED LIKE, UM, WE ARE PROHIBITING, OKAY, WE'RE PROHIBITING SOME USES THAT ACCORDING TO THE M ONE ZONING CLASSIFICATION ARE ALLOWED BY A C U P.
SO EVEN IF SOMEONE WANTED TO GO THROUGH A C U P PROCESS TO DO ONE OF THESE USES, WE'RE SAYING NO BECAUSE THEY'RE PROFFERING, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THESE.
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE MOVED TO HAVE SOME PROFFERED PROHIBITED USES IS AT THIS TIME THERE'S NOT DEFINITIVE END USERS AND THERE'S NOT A DEFINITIVE HOURS OF OPERATIONS SET.
SO THE GOAL THEN WAS TO, WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS REZONING, WAS TO MINIMIZE POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
SO ONE OF THE C U P USES IN THE M TWO CLASSIFICATIONS IS CLASSIFICATION IS PETROLEUM STORAGE.
THAT IS NOT SHOWN AS ONE THAT IS PROHIBITED HERE.
IS THERE A REASON WHY, UM, MS. LAS, I I MAY HAVE GLOSSED OVER IT.
PETROLEUM STORAGE IS PROHIBITED, HOWEVER SMALL PRIVATE TAKES I GOT YOU FOR FLEET FUEL.
SORRY, I MISSED IT CAN BE ALLOWED.
SINCE I DIDN'T DO WELL ON THAT, LET'S TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION
SO THE OILVILLE INTERCHANGE AT SOME POINT IS SCHEDULED TO BE A ROUNDABOUT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
AND THAT PROJECT IS FULLY FUNDED? YES, MA'AM.
GLAND COUNTY HAS, AS PART OF ITS C I P A ROUNDABOUT PLAN FOR THE OILVILLE EXIT DUE TO TRAFFIC QUEUING.
THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT'S DRIVING IT.
THE COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS RECEIVED 4 MILLION
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OF THAT FUNDING THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE PROJECT THROUGH FEDERAL EARMARKING.AND WE DO PLAN TO APPLY FOR REVENUE SHARING FUNDS IN THE FALL TO MEET OUR 20% MATCH OF THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENT AS WELL AS OBTAINING THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING NEEDED FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH IS $8 MILLION.
SO WE HAVE 50% OF THE FUNDS CASH IN HAND RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT WOULD COME FROM THE C B T A, NO REVENUE SHARING.
SO, UM, REVENUE SHARING, THE WAY THE STATE'S REVENUE SHARING FUNDS WORK IS IT'S 50 50 MATCH.
AND SO NOW TALKING ABOUT THE TURN LANES, UM, INTO, OFF, I GUESS OILVILLE ROAD INTO PONY FARM ROAD.
AND WE'RE SAYING THAT THOSE ARE NOT WARRANTED BECAUSE OF THE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC.
IS THAT I WANNA UNDERSTAND? CORRECT.
AND, UM, EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE OUR TRANSPORTATION MANAGER'S ON VACATION, I'LL, I'LL, I KNOW I'LL PINCH HIM LATER.
UM, 70% OF THE TRAFFIC WHEN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS DONE WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY BE ACCESSING THE SITE THROUGH INTERSTATE 64.
THERE WAS 20% THAT WAS ESTIMATED TO THEN BE COMING FROM OILVILLE ROAD IN OF ITSELF.
AND THEN ROUGHLY 10% WOULD DIRECTLY ACCESS FROM PONY FARM ROAD.
CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION AND PIGGYBACK? YES.
AND MAYBE I DIDN'T ANSWER WHERE THIS LEFT TURN LANE, I'M CONFUSED WHERE IT WOULD BE.
IS THE TURN LANE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FACILITY SO COMING DOWN PONY FARM TO THE LEFT? OR IS IT VILLE ROAD TURNING IN? RIGHT, SO I, I GUESS WHAT I'M CONFUSED IS THAT YOU, YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU COMMENTED THAT WAS AN OFFSITE TURN LANE? YES.
IF IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FACILITY, HOW'S IT AN OFFSITE TURN LANE? SO WHERE THE TURN LANE WOULD ACTUALLY BE OCCURRING IS NOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SITE.
THAT'S WHERE, WHERE, WHERE'S THE LEFT TURN LANE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? I AM AGAIN, I'M, YOU SEE IT ON THE SCREEN? I, I WILL DEFER TO STAFF BECAUSE THIS IS TOO FAR AWAY ON THE SCREEN FOR ME TO C MS. SHERRY CALLING FRIEND.
UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION.
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT, UH, ISSUES HERE.
THE ONE THAT IS, UM, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER FOR IS ON PONY FARM HEADING INTO THE, UM, INTO THE SITE ITSELF.
THAT IS NOT AN OFFSITE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, WAS NOT WARRANTED, UH, IN, IN THE, UM, IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND AS MS. EZ MENTIONED, A MAJORITY OF THE, UM, TRAFFIC GOING TO THIS SITE WILL BE FROM EITHER OILVILLE CUTTING FROM HANOVER OR FROM I 64.
THE OFFSITE ONE IS ACTUALLY THE INTERSECTION THAT IS ACTUALLY AT PONY FARM AND, UM, OILVILLE ROADS.
LET'S, LET'S KEEP GOING ON THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THAT, UH, TURN LANE OFF OF OILVILLE ROAD ONTO PONY FARM.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT, NO, IT'S PONY FARM ROAD INTO THE, INTO THE FACILITY.
SO COMING DOWN AND MAKING, BUT THERE ARE TWO RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND THEN THE RIGHT ONE IS STILL GOING IN? YES, MA'AM.
THEY ARE PUTTING IN A RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OFF OILVILLE ROAD TO PONY FOUR, BUT THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER FOR COMING DOWN HERE TO TURN IN HERE.
MS. WORLEY, COULD I GET, COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION? UM, I WONDERED IF YOU COULD DISCUSS OUR INABILITY AS A COUNTY TO PLACE PROJECTS OF THIS TYPE, UH, IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS AND JUST ANY MORE DETAIL YOU CAN PROVIDE WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, FOR THE RECORD, I'M SARAH WORLEY, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR GLAND COUNTY.
UM, I WOULD SAY OVER THE LAST, UM, TWO YEARS I'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF AVAILABLE INDUSTRIAL SPACE IN GLAND.
IT SEEMS WHEN THINGS COME IN THE MARKET, THEY GO REALLY FAST TO COME OFF THE MARKET.
THEY'RE EITHER BEING TAKEN UP BY EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT ARE EXPANDING OR NEW BUSINESSES COMING IN.
UM, SO WHAT THIS IS DOING, IT'S LIMITING SOME OF OUR, UM, SMALLER BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE IN THE COUNTY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND.
UM, I'VE WORKED WITH SEVERAL PROJECTS TRYING TO PLACE THEM, UM, IN THE COUNTY AND TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM HERE, THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD ALLOW, UM, THE SMALL LOT DEVELOPMENT WOULD ALLOW SOME OF OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES LOTS TO BE ABLE TO COME ON.
WE'RE LOOKING LIKE 12,000 SQUARE FEET AND LESS SPACE HERE.
AND YOU, YOU KIND OF ANSWERED THIS, BUT I'LL STILL ASK THE QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.
AND SO YOU WOULD SAY THAT A NUMBER OF THESE, IF NOT ALL OF THEM, ARE GROWING BUSINESSES LOOKING TO EXPAND AND EITHER COME INTO OUR COUNTY OR HAVE A REASON TO STAY WITH THEIR OPERATIONS IN THE COUNTY, CORRECT? YES.
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ANYTHING ELSE? THE STAFF BEFORE THE APPLICANT? I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I HAVE A QUESTION.SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS THAT I THINK THE ZONING, HE HAD A LITTLE ZONING MAP EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS IN RED.
UM, ARE THERE, SO OILVILLE PARK IS TO THE RIGHT, RIGHT? YES SIR.
AND THAT IS ZONED M ONE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THAT'S M ONE OR M TWO? IT'S M TWO ISN'T IT? IT'S M TWO.
AND, UH, ARE THERE, ARE THERE PROFFERS ON, ON THE, ARE THERE HOURS OF OPERATION RESTRICTIONS? NO, SIR.
THAT WAS, UM, REZONED IN 1988, BUT THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME HOURS OF LOCATION.
THERE'S NO H O A LIKE THE, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TALKING ABOUT.
THERE'S NO BUSINESS OWNERS ASSOCIATION OR BUSINESS OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
SO, AND I THINK IN THE, IN THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SAID THE M ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, UM, SUBJECT PARCEL THAT IS, HAS NO PROFFERS.
SO THEY CAN DO, AND THAT'S M ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THAT'S M ONE ACROSS THE STREET AND THE ORIGINAL ZONING, UM, DATES BACK TO 1969 WITH THE ZONING ESTABLISHMENT OF, UM, ZONING REGULATIONS.
AND THERE'S NO PROFFERS YOU, I I THINK OILVILLE IS M ONE I I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP AND I THINK MR. SPOON, HOWARD'S IT'S M ONE? YES, IT'S M ONE ACROSS THE STREET.
AND IT'S M OILVILLE IS ALSO M ONE? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S NO PROFFERS NO, THEY COULD, THEY COULD RIGHT NOW DO EVERYTHING BY RIGHT.
THEY COULD DO EVERYTHING BY RIGHT.
INCLUDING ANY AND ALL OF THOSE PROHIBITED USES THAT THIS APPLICANT IS PROFFERING TO NOT DO.
I THOUGHT THIS IS AN M TWO APPLICATION.
I THOUGHT THAT LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU PUT UP THERE WAS THINGS THAT YOU TOOK OUT OF M TWO, NOT OUT OF M ONE.
I THOUGHT YOU MENTIONED M TWO.
MR. LUMPKINS, UH, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS IS THAT ALL M ONE, UM, USES ARE ALLOWED IN M TWO.
SO IT, IT, IT, THERE ARE SOME IN M ONE THAT ARE NOT, IT'S CALLED OUT IN M TWO, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT, IT DOES.
ARE THEY PARALLEL IN TERMS OF C U P VERSUS BY RIGHT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE WAY, UM, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS, IF SOMETHING IS, UM, A C U P IN, UM, THE M ONE, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN M TWO, THE WAY IT'S IN INTERPRETED.
SO, SO THAT LIST YOU SHOWED US THOUGH, IS ALL OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROFFERING TO NOT DO, WHICH WOULD BE PERMITTED IN M TWO.
DID YOU ALL LOOK AT THE M ONE LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY COULD DO BY YES.
AND, AND CAN YOU ASK YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT WHAT YOU JUST, I I'M NOT SURE WE'RE COMMUNICATING THE, THE SAME INFORMATION.
SO YOU SAID ANYTHING THAT IS BY C U P IN M ONE? CORRECT.
AND YOU'RE ASKING IF IT'S ALLOWED IN M WELL, I'M TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND THE BIG PICTURE.
AND I, I WISHED IF I, I WOULD'VE PULLED UP THE, THE CHART OF THE USES MM-HMM.
AND, AND LET ME BACK UP AN EVEN FURTHER.
THE, THE GENESIS OF MY QUESTIONS ARE WE, WE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE'RE HEARING YOU SAID WE WANNA TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC.
TRAFFIC IS SOMETHING WE'VE HEARD.
I'VE HEARD WE'VE GOTTEN LOTS OF EMAILS.
UH, AND MS. WORLEY RESPONDED TO MR. MR. VOS, THERE'S A NEED, THERE'S A CLEAR NEED.
I THINK THEY WENT, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, THEY, THEY WILL FILL IT OUT PRETTY QUICKLY.
IT, IT, IT'S, I SUSPECT BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAINLY A DEMAND AND THIS FITS OUR PLAN, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS WHERE IS THIS LITTLE AREA GOING? WE'VE GOT JUST REALLY ONE M ONE IN THE OILVILLE AND THEN AN M ONE THAT'S WIDE OPEN CAN DO ANYTHING BY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
CAN I, I WISH THIS WAS BLOWN OUT A LITTLE FURTHER, BUT WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WHAT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALL FOR THESE PARCELS GOING CLOSER TO THE INTERSTATE? SO, UM, FROM WHERE THE B ONE IS, THAT CONTINUES DOWN TO THE INTERSTATE, IF I RECALL.
AND SO BEYOND, BEYOND THAT, YOU CAN SEE IT'S AGRICULTURE MM-HMM.
ARE, ARE THESE, THESE LANDS ALONG THERE? ARE THEY THINGS THAT THE COUNTY AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS,
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ARE WE LOOKING TO COMMERCIALIZE INDUSTRIALIZED IF YOU LOOK BETWEEN THERE IN THE INTERSTATE? YEAH.SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP THAT IS, UH, TO THE LEFT, IT SHOWS SOME OF THOSE AGRICULTURALS AS COMMERCIAL IN, UH, IN DESIGNATION.
BUT IT ALSO SHOWS SOME, UM, SOME FLEXIBLE RESIDENTIAL, I BELIEVE IS WHAT THAT ORANGE IS.
SORRY, I, I WISH I HAD THAT UP.
WHAT IS THE RED, UH, IT'S COMMERCIAL SO IT'S NOT INDUSTRIAL.
IT IS, YOU KNOW, FOR RETAIL AND OTHER COMMERCIAL ALLOWANCES.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
'CAUSE I'M BUSY LOOKING AND I, IS THE COMP PLAN AVAILABLE ON OUR G I SS? CAN YOU OVERLAY A COMP PLAN ON THE G I S? I DON'T THINK SO.
NOT CURRENTLY, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
UM, I GOT IT IN MY PRESENTATION IF YOU WANT THERE.
YOU WANT, OKAY, SO I DON'T WANNA REPEAT MS. LAS ETTES.
SO I SEE EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH ALL THE PARCELS THAT ARE OVER HERE TO THE RIGHT THAT ARE THE A A TWO TO THE NORTH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT FAVORABLY FOR INDUSTRIAL PER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND BASED ON, UM, THE COUNTY'S GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF TRYING TO LOCATE GROWTH, UM, OR BUSINESSES NEAR INTERSTATE INTERCHANGES.
SO, AND, AND I GUESS I'M, I'M DOING A FEW MORE QUESTIONS EARLIER ON, THAT'S NOT NORMAL, BUT THIS CASE IS, WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH AS YOU POINT OUT WITH THE DEFERRALS, AND SO I'VE SPENT A LITTLE MORE TIME, I'VE, I'VE BEEN ASKED TO, TO GO TO THE SITE.
I I'VE, I'VE BEEN TO, BEEN TO THE SITE.
I'VE DRIVEN LOUISVILLE PARK, I'VE DRIVEN AROUND HERE AND, AND TALKED TO LANDOWNERS AND, AND, AND I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF MESSAGES THERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS FAVORABLE ECONOMICALLY, BUT THERE ARE, THE CONCERNS THAT FOLKS HAVE ARE NOISE AND TRAFFIC AND IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO GET TRAFFIC.
AND, AND I'VE TALKED TO YOU ALL ABOUT CONNECTIVITY IN SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY EFFORT BEEN MADE TO BUILD SOME CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN OILVILLE AND THIS AND THIS PROPOSED, UM, THE PARCEL THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR REZONING? ARE YOU REFERENCING THE OILVILLE BUSINESS PARK? THE OILVILLE BUSINESS PARK? RIGHT.
UM, I WILL LET MISS SHERRY ANSWER THAT, THAT THIS IS HER CASE.
UM, MR. LEMKIN, UM, THE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE CONNECTIVITY, UH, WERE IN PART BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBOR, BUT, UM, STAFF DID LOOK AT THAT AS A POSSIBILITY, BUT OF, BECAUSE OF COURSE WE ALWAYS WANT TO HAVE, UM, THINGS CONNECTED OFF THE MAIN ROAD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THE, UM, THE SITUATION IS THAT AS YOU SEE FROM THE, UM, THE, THE BUILDINGS ON THE BUSINESS PARK, THAT ALL OF THOSE LOTS ARE ALREADY TAKEN.
SO THERE, THERE REALLY ISN'T, UH, ACCESS TO IT TO, TO ACTUALLY GET TO, UM, THE, THE PARK.
AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, ALSO CONSIDERED, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS ACHIEVABLE.
WELL, I, I I THINK YOU'LL FIND OUT IF YOU GO BACK TO GO BACK TO THAT, I, I THINK THE OWNER OF THIS PARCEL, IT'S A VACANT LOT AND IT'S FOR SALE THAT I, I'M, I'M POINTING IT, IT'S A VACANT LOT AND IT'S FOR SALE.
SO ACCORDING TO THE COMP PLAN, THIS PARCEL HERE, THE CARTER'S PARCEL IS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO, BUT EVENTUALLY IF THEY WERE TO WANT TO SELL, WE WOULD BE LOOKING.
SO I I I JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS CASE FOR A WHILE.
IF WE CAN BUILD CONNECTIVITY HERE AND PULL OFF TRAFFIC, IF THIS EVER, MAYBE NEVER, BUT IF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD HAVING THIS CONNECTING WOULD BE SOMETHING WORTH PURSUING.
AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO.
SO, UM, TO PULL, TO PULL TRAFFIC HERE IN CONTEMPLATION OF THIS GOING AND IS, IS I, AM I CORRECT SAYING THAT ANYTIME WE CAN PULL TRAFFIC OFF OF MAIN ROAD ABSOLUTELY.
AND THE INTERIOR, THAT'S A GOOD THING? ABSOLUTELY.
BUT I DON'T SEE THAT DOING THAT.
SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE'D BE DOING.
SO WE'VE PULLING IT OFF OF FROM ASHTON, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT OUT ON OILVILLE, WE'RE ASKING TO GO BACK BY AROUND RESIDENCE AND THEN COME BACK THROUGH INDUSTRIAL PARK TO COME BACK OUT ONTO THE SAME ROAD.
I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT FOLLOWING, I GUESS, AND I'M JUST SAYING WE WOULD HAVE CONNECTIVITY THIS WAY.
YOU COULD COME IN THIS WAY, FOLKS HERE COULD GO.
AND, AND THEN AGAIN, WHAT I'M THINKING IS REALLY THIS PARCEL IN THE FUTURE, AND I KNOW I SAW THE PAPERWORK, THERE'S, WE'VE ACCOMMODATED AN APPLICANT HAS DONE SOME THINGS TO MAKE SURE THESE FOLKS ACCESS TO THEIR FIELDS CAN BE HAD WITHOUT ANOTHER ENTRANCE.
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IS THIS PART OF THE CURRENT APPLICATION OR IS THIS I I'M NOT SURE.WELL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL WRAP IT UP.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION, BUT I I I'M LOOKING AT IT AS WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE IN MORE INTENSE GROWTH AREAS, I THINK WE WOULD DO WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE THINKING AHEAD AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CONNECTIVITY THAT, I MEAN, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT I THINK AS WE GET MORE TRAFFIC, AND WE'RE, AND TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN, PULLING TRAFFIC AND, AND HAVING THINGS CONNECTED OFF OF THE MAIN ROAD.
AND AGAIN, I, I THINK THIS, IF IT'S DONE THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT, IT WOULD ALSO OPEN UP A PARCEL THAT IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR INDUSTRIAL.
IF IT IS EVER SOLD, IT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER ENTRANCE HERE.
IF, IF, IF THERE'S NO, IF THEY BUILD ALL THE LOTS HERE, THEY BUILD ALL THE LOTS HERE, THEN THIS PARCEL IS GOING TO BE DIMINISHED BECAUSE, BUT WE CAN GET ACCESS RIGHT, RIGHT HERE, THE FUTURE FOR THAT PARCEL OPENS UP.
I I THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERATION.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SEPARATE HOAS, YOU CAN HAVE SEPARATE SECURITY, YOU'RE CAN HAVE SEPARATE CONDITIONS, UH, ON EACH OF THOSE THAT MAY COME INTO PLAY.
BUT I THINK AGAIN, WE ARE WE GETTING BEYOND THE, THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US? UH, WELL, I, I, I JUST, AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
WE, WE LOOK AT, BUT IF WE KEEP LOOKING AT THINGS IN A, IN A VACUUM, LIKE, OKAY, ONE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? THIS IM PARCEL AND WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT IMPACTS DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK WE'RE KIND OF CREATING THE PROBLEMS THAT WE, WE WILL, WE WOULD LIKE TO AVOID IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO SO.
SO THAT'S THE REASON I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR MONTHS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE TWO PARKS.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE APPLICANT'S CASE.
I'M, I'M GOING TO, I I JUST AM CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A WAY THAT WE COULD ADDRESS TRAFFIC.
THE, UM, LAST THING I WANT TO COMMENT IS THE BOARD ACTION REQUESTED TODAY, IT READS, THE BOARD HAS REQUESTED, AND, AND MS. OAS, YOU, YOU ADDRESSED THIS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU SAID WHAT HAPPENED IN HANOVER.
I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU DID, BUT THE BOARD HAS REQUESTED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER REZONING APPLICATION RZ 2000.
THE CASE WAS PREVIOUSLY BEFORE DEFERRED BY THIS BOARD ON THE THREE DAYS TO ENSURE A VOTE WAS TAKEN BY THE HANOVER PLANNING COMMISSION PRIOR TO BEING HEARD BY THE GLAND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE, THE HANOVER PLANNING COMMISSION DEFERRED IT AGAIN.
SO OUR PURPOSE STILL EXISTS IF WE WANT THE PLAN TO GET PLA THE STATED PURPOSE HERE STILL EXISTS IF WE WANNA GET PAST THE HANOVER PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.
AND I SAW AN EMAIL FROM THE APPLICANT RECENTLY THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE READY TO ROLL AHEAD BECAUSE EVEN IF HANOVER NEVER APPROVES IT, THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THE GLAND SIDE.
I I, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE, MY COLLEAGUE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER OVER IN HANOVER, BUT I, BUT I HOPE TO AND PLAN TO, UM, AGAIN, I THINK IF WE HAVE A NEED IN GLAND AND WE HAVE THESE OTHER SIX OR SEVEN LOTS TO THE BACK, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO ENCOURAGE HANOVER'S APPROVAL, UM, WE SHOULD DO AS A BOARD.
BECAUSE ONCE WE APPROVE THIS, WE'RE DONE.
AND THEN, AND HANOVER CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SAID AT THE HANOVER PLANNING COMMISSION, I UNDERSTAND AT THE LAST ONE WAS THEY WERE CONCERNED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS WAS SAID, MAYBE IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THROWN OUT, BUT THEY SAID THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND, AND, UH, ACCESS ON THE GLAND SIDE.
I'M, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY THAT WAS SAID, BUT I LOOKED AT THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS IF THAT IS FOR WHATEVER REASON, A CONCERN ON HANOVER'S SIDE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT HERE.
SO, MR. LUMPKINS, IF I MAY, SO YOU TOUCHED ON A COUPLE OF POINTS AND I I DID NOT WANT TO INTERRUPT.
SO ONE THING I'LL SAY IS WITH THE CONNECTIVITY ONE, I KNOW THAT AS A COUNTY GOAL, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME OF OUR RECENT PLANNING PROCESSES, HOW DO WE REALLY LOOK AT, FROM A TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE, ALLEVIATING TRAFFIC ON SOME OF OUR MAIN THREE FARES AND SOME OF OUR FREQUENTLY TRAVELED AREAS.
UM, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE ENCOUNTERED HERE AND HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT AND I'M SURE THEY'D BE HAPPY TO GET UP AND ALSO ADDRESS THIS, IS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO LOOK AT CONNECTIVITY TO AN ALREADY EXISTING AND OPERATING BUSINESS PARK THAT HAS DIFFERENT USES AND IS WELL ESTABLISHED WAS A CHALLENGE AND THEN DID ACQUIRE, UM, YOU KNOW, ACQUISITION OF EXISTING PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT ALSO IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL AND THE COUNTY DOES HAVE THAT NEED FOR THE INDUSTRIAL SPACE.
SO THAT'S ONE PIECE WHERE WE DID LOOK AT THAT AND WE WORKED ON ACCESS, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT FOR OTHER PROPERTIES
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BEHIND.AS WE MENTIONED, THAT'S ZONED AGRICULTURAL FOR THE ACCESS EASEMENT.
THE OTHER PIECE IS, UM, TOUCHING ON THE OUTREACH WITH HANOVER.
STAFF'S BEEN WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE HANOVER STAFF FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO TRANSPORTATION TO EVEN OUR PLANNING STAFF HAVING REGULAR OUTREACH AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, ASKING FOR THEIR INPUT WITH WHERE THINGS STAND WITH, UM, THEIR LEADERSHIP AS WELL AS THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
UM, AND ON THAT NOTE, WITH THE PC DEFERRAL THAT THEY RECEIVED IN HANOVER COUNTY, THAT WAS FOR 30 DAYS, THEY DID HOLD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING, AND THE INTENT IS FROM, UM, FROM WHAT THEIR DEPUTY HAS RELAYED TO STAFF, UM, AND I SAY THAT IS THEIR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAS RELAYED TO STAFF, IS THAT WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES MEET AGAIN IN 30 DAYS TO RECONVENE, UM, AND CONSIDER THIS CASE, THEY ARE NOT INTENDING TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN, UM, WHICH IS THEIR PURVIEW UNDER, YOU KNOW, STATE CODE AND STATUTE AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, SO THEY WILL BE VOTING IN 30 DAYS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT VOTE'S GONNA BE.
CORRECT? WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE VOTE WILL BE, UM, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
OUR PLANNING COMMISSION DID A RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON A THREE ONE VOTE.
UM, I WILL ALSO SAY THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT'S HERE TO ANSWER THE CONNECTIVITY PIECE IN ANY FURTHER DETAIL THAT YOU MIGHT LIKE.
AS IT RELATES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT OUR THOUGHTS WERE IN PUTTING THAT PLAN TOGETHER AS IT, UH, WITH INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, THE PROXIMITY OF THIS PROJECT 2 64 IS A GREAT VALUE TO HOPEFULLY ELIMINATING TRAFFIC CONCERNS IN THE NEAR TERM UNTIL INTERCONNECTIVITY, WHICH IS ALSO A LONG RANGE GOAL OCCURS.
IS THAT CORRECT? TO ASSUME THAT AND SAY THAT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
TO ASSUME, AGAIN, THIS IS A HALF MILE TO INTERSTATE 64 AND 70% OF THE TRAFFIC PER THE T I A, UM, INDICATED TRAFFIC WOULD COME FROM INTERSTATE 64 DIRECTLY.
AFTER 40 MINUTES, I THINK WE'RE READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
I'M JUST GONNA GET TO THE END OF MINE AND I'LL PULL THE DOORS UP AND LEFT.
WHICH ONE ARE YOU? OH, THERE, THERE'S, YES.
I NEED TO GET MY EYES INSPECTED.
I INSPECTED WHATEVER SLIDESHOW FROM BEGINNING.
UH, MEMBERS, THE BOARD, UH, ANDY COLLIN HERE ON BEHALF OF, UH, THE APPLICANT, I 64 INDUSTRIAL L L C.
I'VE GOT A SLIDE THAT SHOWS THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, SO I'M, I'M GONNA GET TO IT IN RATHER QUICK FORM, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO KIND OF PUT THIS IN A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE WITH, UH, ABOUT 40 ACRES IN, IN GOLAND COUNTY WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO PONY FARM, AS WE KNOW.
BUT THE HANOVER SIDE IS ABOUT 44 ACRES.
IT'S ALMOST SPLIT DIRECTLY IN HALF, UH, BY THE PROPERTY.
AND THE HANOVER SIDE IS LANDLOCKED, BUT THE REALITY IS THIS IS ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND HAS BEEN, JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE A JURISDICTIONAL LINE RUNNING THROUGH IT ARTIFICIALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, UH, WITH A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES, POLICIES, AND ORDINANCES IN HANOVER THAN THEY HAVE IN GLAND.
THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO MAKE THEM PARALLEL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WHICH HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A, A DIFFICULT SITUATION AND A CHALLENGE AT TIMES.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, AS YOU KNOW, UH, WE'VE ALREADY COVERED IT QUITE WELL REGARDING PROXIMITY TO, UH, 64 IN THE INTERCHANGE, AS WELL AS, UH, THE OILVILLE BUSINESS PARK.
GONNA RUN THROUGH THESE REAL QUICK, AND THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, MR. TOMPKINS, THAT REALLY LOOKS AT THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IT'S NOT ONLY AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, UH, FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT ALSO AS YOU HEAD TOWARDS THE INTERCHANGE, UH, ON 64, THAT IT'S ALL ALONG A, A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT'S PROVIDED FOR, UH, IN THIS AREA.
WE THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY BENEFITING THE ENTIRETY OF THE AREA.
AND AS WELL, UH, AS WE ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE PROPERTY ADJACENT BETWEEN OUR, OUR PROPERTY AND OILVILLE.
THE, UH, THE CARTER'S PROPERTY IS ALSO INDUSTRIAL AND ACROSS THE STREET AS BEEN TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT, UM, AND ALSO THE TIMING FROM THE STANDPOINT OF BEING DESIGNATED SINCE, UH, 1991.
I WILL SAY THAT, AND I'VE GOT A COPY OF THE PROFFERS FOR THE OILVILLE BUSINESS PARK, IF YOU WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM THERE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, DONE IN, IN 1988, I THINK IT WAS.
IT'S ONLY SIX PROFFERS THAT, UM, AND, AND DON'T HAVE AN OWNER'S ASSOCIATION REALLY DEAL WITH, UH, THE HEIGHT OF, UH, HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WE HAVE, AS WELL AS TAKING OUT SOME OF THE USES AND MAKING THE PUBLIC ROAD PUBLIC AND BUILT TO V OUT STANDARDS.
IT'S REALLY PRETTY, UH, THIN FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
UH, BUT IT'S DONE VERY WELL, AND IT'S DONE EXACTLY THE WAY THAT YOU WANT, UH, A GOOD BUSINESS PARK, UH, TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP.
UM, I WAS GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT, BUT REALLY, UH, THE STAFF HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL POINT OUT, I DON'T HAVE THE FANCY GRAPHICS THAT A
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LOT OF FOLKS HAVE.I JUST USE COLORS AND ARROWS, AND, UH, THAT BLUE IS WHERE THE, UH, PROPERTY, THE JURISDICTIONAL LINE IS, UH, BETWEEN THE HANOVER AND GOOCHLAND.
AND THEN AS YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT IS THE RED, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE RED RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE SITE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, UH, ALSO DOING RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION THAT WASN'T MENTIONED.
THE YELLOW IS THE, UH, THE OVERLAY AND THE ENHANCED STANDARDS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING FOR.
I PUT A RED CIRCLE AROUND THE CISTERN THAT WAS MENTIONED, THE 30,000 GALLON, AGAIN, THAT WAS, THAT'S GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO AND, AND, AND, UH, MANAGED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO USE NOT ONLY FOR THIS SITE, BUT FOR OTHER SITES IN THE AREA AS WELL.
UM, I THINK IT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT BENEFIT.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS, UH, TO DETAIL A LITTLE BIT, I THINK GOES RIGHT INTO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, UM, AROUND THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY.
IN ADDITION TO THE 30 FOOT BUFFER WITH THE BI ON, UH, PONY FARM ROAD, WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING THAT SAME BI AND A 50 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE, UH, EDGES OF THE PROPERTY ON THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDE.
UH, WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED FOR A CONNECTIVITY FOR A 60 FOOT, 60 FOOT WIDE ACCESS, UH, TO THE CARTER PROPERTY.
THAT, AGAIN, IF AND WHEN IT EVER GETS DEVELOPED FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN ITS CURRENT USE, HE COULD USE IT AT ANY TIME.
WE'VE COME TO A PRIVATE AGREEMENT, IF IT WERE TO BE DEVELOPED FOR INDUSTRIAL PURPOSES, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ACCESS.
IT WOULD NOT NEED ANOTHER ACCESS ON PONY FARM, JUST LIKE WE DON'T, WE HAVE ONE ACCESS TO SERVE OUR ENTIRETY.
AND THE WHOLE INTENT WAS TO PROVIDE FOR GETTING ACCESS OFF OF PONY FARM AND CREATING A CO COMBINED ACCESS, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT THEIR INTENT WAS.
AND, AND THE COUNTY AND I, WE'VE KIND OF BEAT IT TO DEATH A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S A HECK OF A LOT EASIER TO BE ABLE TO, UH, FIND, UH, A CONNECTION AND BE ABLE TO CREATE THAT CONNECTION WITH UNDEVELOPED LAND AND PUT IT IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE WITH RESPECT TO, AND AS I GO BACK TO THE, THE SITE, UM, I THINK I'VE GOT THE, UH, THE RED CLICKER HERE.
I THINK THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING ABLE TO, HERE'S THE LINE BETWEEN HANOVER AND GOOSE LINE AND THE, THE LAST, UH, LOT THAT WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT ACCESSING.
WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT A B M P IN THIS AREA BECAUSE IT IS A LOW AREA, IT'S VERY HARD FROM A TOPOGRAPHIC STANDPOINT PHYSICALLY.
NOW, ENGINEERING WISE, IT'S EASY FOR ME TO SPEND EVERYBODY'S MONEY AND PUT A PIECE OF A LINE ON A PIECE OF PAPER, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING HAVING TO CROSS A WETLANDS AREA BECAUSE IT IS A LOW AREA, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PUTTING OUR B N P.
THE OTHER, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU, UH, FOR, FOR THOSE LISTENING IN THE B N P STANDPOINT, UH, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE, STORMWATER FACILITY, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO, AS, YOU KNOW, COLLECT ALL OF OUR STORMWATER AND WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF STORMWATER FACILITIES WE'RE PROVIDING FOR ACCESS TO THEM, UH, WITH, FROM OUR SITE.
BUT THAT'S THE REASON IT'S THERE IS BECAUSE THAT'S A LOW POINT IN THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S WHERE THE WATER'S GOING TO BE FLOWING FOR US.
AND THE CONCERN IS THAT IF WE HAVE A ROAD GOING THROUGH THERE, WE HAVE TO MANAGE STORMWATER SOMEHOW.
WE STILL HAVE TO CAPTURE IT ON OUR SITE, THAT IT JUST ADDS COSTS.
NOT THAT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DO IT, NOT THAT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO TALK TO THEM.
THERE'S ALSO, FROM A MARKETING STANDPOINT, A CONCERN, AS WE'VE ALREADY SAID ABOUT AN EXISTING PARK WITH FEWER COVENANTS, THEY'RE ALREADY SOLD LOTS.
IT'S ONE THING I QUITE FRANKLY KNOW FOR A FACT THAT WHEN, UH, ANY OTHER PROPERTY GETS ZONED INDUSTRIAL, THEY'RE GONNA BE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARDS WE ARE, IF NOT EVEN HIGHER.
SO WE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE USES AND WHAT WOULD BE THE STANDARDS FROM AN ASSOCIATION STANDPOINT.
WE JUST HAVEN'T INVESTIGATED THAT BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, UH, WE DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS A VACANT LOT OUT THERE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS PHYSICALLY.
BUT THAT'S THE CONCERN WE HAVE WITH PROVIDING THAT ADDITIONAL ACCESS.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE ARE ACCESSING PONY FARM ROAD, WANT TO NOT NECESSARILY ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON PONY FARM ROAD OTHER THAN THAT ONE POINT OF ACCESS THAT WE HAVE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROVIDING IT FOR, UH, THAT PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR.
SO, UM, I, I HAD GONE THROUGH ALL THE, UH, PROFFERED CONDITIONS AND I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF SLIDES THAT WE CAN ADDRESS.
I WILL SAY THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR M TWO WITH RESPECT TO THE, A COUPLE OF THE USES THAT WE WANTED, PARTICULARLY OUTSOURCE OUTDOOR STORAGE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE PROFFERED OUT SOME OF THE M ONE USES.
WE HAVEN'T JUST PROFFERED OUT M TWO USES.
WE PROFFERED OUT WHAT WE CONSIDERED TO BE NOXIOUS USES.
A LOT OF FOLKS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT RETAIL.
YOU COULD HAVE A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IN THE M ONE WITH A DRIVE THROUGH.
WE'VE PROFFERED OUT RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL OTHER THAN AS ACCESSORY.
YOU KNOW, THE IDEA BEING THAT IF IT'S A, UH, A FACILITY THAT DOES INSTALLS CABINETS, YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO BE ABLE TO SELL CABINETS AND HAVE A SHOWROOM AS LONG AS IT'S ACCESSORY TO IT.
AND I THINK, AGAIN, FROM OUR, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE REALLY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO, UH, UH, RESPOND TO THE COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THEY HAD.
I KNOW THERE'S STILL A LOT OF CONCERN THAT, UH, FOLKS HAD WITH RESPECT TO THEIR PROPERTY VALUES, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR INDUSTRIAL.
THE REALITY IS WE'RE NEXT TO AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
WE'RE ACROSS FROM AN UNCONDITIONED M ONE.
UM, AND, AND THE REAL REALITY IS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY TOUCHED ON IS THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S INTENDED TO ENHANCE BUSINESSES.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF OTHER PARCELS IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE FOR LARGE SCALE AND MORE INTENSIVE INDUSTRIAL USES.
THERE'S A REAL NEED FOR INCLUDING THE DEVELOPERS STUMBLED ACROSS THIS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, FOR THEIR BUSINESSES, TO HAVE SMALL BUSINESSES IN A BUSINESS PARK THAT'S WELL MAINTAINED.
IT'S GONNA BE CONTROLLED BY AN OWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
AND FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE REALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE AS WE PRESENTED IT TONIGHT, WE'RE CONTI WE'LL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT, AND AS WE HEARD TONIGHT, TO TALK TO THE ADJACENT OWNERS ON THE VILLE BUSINESS PARK, BUT WE THINK WE'VE SATISFIED THAT INTERCONNECTIVITY WITH THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR THAT WOULD NOT HAVE TO ACCESS PONY FARM ROAD.
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HANOVER, I, I TRULY BELIEVE, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, NOT SAID TO ME BY ANYONE.I BELIEVE HANOVER'S WAITING FOR GLAND TO REZONE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE FEELING A LOT OF, UH, PRESSURE BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTY IS IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR AGRICULTURE.
I HAD TO ACTUALLY, WE HAD TO DELAY IN ORDER FOR ME TO MAKE APPLICATION FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
SO THEY'RE NOW GOING TO PROVIDE FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO INDUSTRIAL TO ALLOW FOR A BUSINESS INDUSTRIAL TECHNICALLY TO ALLOW FOR THIS TO BE REZONED TO INDUSTRIAL.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THEY'D PREFER GLAND ACT TO SAY, WELL, NOT ONLY IS IT IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL.
AND WE WILL, AS YOU SAID, MR. LUMPKINS, BE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
IF HANOVER CONTINUES TO KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD IN GLAND COUNTY AND WE CAN BUILD IT, UH, WITH A CUL-DE-SAC, NOT GOING ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE, BUT STOPPING.
AND WE THINK THAT ONCE THIS GETS ZONED, THAT'S GOING TO ENCOURAGE THE COUNTY OF HANOVER TO YOUR POINT, DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO HELP ENCOURAGE THEM TO ZONE THIS FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME, MR. VARS? GO, UH, THANK YOU, MR. COLEMAN.
UM, AS I SEE THE MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE THE GOOCHLAND SIDE IS THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE OR MAIN ENTRY POINT.
WE CAN'T ACCESS IT OTHERWISE I DO NOT, I, I DON'T HAVE EXPERTISE IN THE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL REAL ESTATE SIDE, BUT I WOULD THINK CLOSER ACCESS TO THE ENTRY POINT, MAIN ENTRY POINT AND THOROUGHFARE INCREASES PROPERTY VALUES HIGHER ON THE GLAND SIDE.
WHICH IS GREATER TAX REVENUE ON THE GLAND SIDE FOR THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE.
AND THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT TOO WITH THE, UH, OTHER PROPERTY, UM, WHICH I CAN PULL UP THE OTHER MAP WITH THE CARTER PROPERTY, IT'S PROXIMITY TO THE INTERSECTION.
IT'S GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME, NOT THAT THEY CAN'T GET AN ACCESS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS, BUT THIS ACTUALLY RELIEVES THAT BY PROVIDING THIS ACCESS.
AND THAT ADDS VALUE, I THINK, TO THEIR PROPERTY.
AND I THINK IT WAS LOCATED SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW FOR A FRONTAGE WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE ACCESS, BUT ALSO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT OTHER LOTS IN THERE FOR THE EXACT SAME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
YOU EDUCATED ME SOME SO THAT, SO THAT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UM, YOU HAVE THREE PLACES? 4, 4, 4 PLACES.
WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PONDS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT? YEAH.
YEAH, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT 'EM IN THERE AND IN THE FRONT, AND THEN WE'VE GOT 'EM BACK IN THE, IN THE HANOVER SIDE AS WELL.
BUT THIS IS THE, THE, SO, SO, SO, AND, AND I'LL ASK OUR, OUR LAWYER AND YOUR LAWYER OBVIOUSLY FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT IF HANOVER DOESN'T APPROVE IT, YOU JUST MENTIONED JUST NOW YOU'D PUT A CULDESAC AT THE END.
WOULD YOU HAVE TO COME? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT BOARD INVOLVEMENT? THAT IT, COUPLE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I'M THINKING IF HANOVER, IF HANOVER SAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TOO, THE BACKS OF THESE LOTS ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE FOLKS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TURKEY CREEK, RIGHT? AND YOU, YOU NEEDED TO PULL THEM IN A LITTLE BIT OR DO SOME BUFFER WORK ON THAT SIDE TO GET THROUGH HANOVER.
DOES THAT IMPACT THE GLAND APPROVAL AND THE GLAND? UM, WELL, I, I CAN SPEAK CERTAINLY FROM OUR STANDPOINT, OUR INTENT WHEN WE DRAFTED THE PROFFER, WHICH IS OUR PROFFER THAT WE'VE PUT IN THERE, WE'D ACTUALLY PUT IN THE PROFFER REGARDING THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THAT IT IS A GENERALLY CONFORMED IN APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF STREETS AND VEGETATION.
WE WOULD PUT IN WHAT'S WHAT WE CALLED A TEMPORARY CUL-DE-SAC SO THAT THE CUL-DE-SAC WOULD BE PLACED AT THE HANOVER COUNTY GLAND COUNTY LINE, BUT IT COULD BE REMOVED ONCE HANOVER GETS REZONED.
SO WE COULD EXTEND THAT ROAD WHEN THE TIME COMES, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON TO DO, QUITE FRANKLY.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE BENEFITED BY THE FACT FROM A STORMWATER STANDPOINT.
THE, THE HIGH POINT IS THE COUNTY JURISDICTIONAL LINES.
AND SO HANOVER STORMWATER'S DEALT COMPLETELY IN HANOVER AND GLAND IS DEALT COMPLETELY IN GLAND.
THE THE, THE WATER DOESN'T CROSS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT'S JUST A, A, A CORK OF NATURE, I GUESS, FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
SO IT GETS, OUR ENGINEERS PRETTY EXCITED WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT IT.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I KNOW ABOUT IT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN TEMPORARILY, LIKE YOU PHASE PROJECTS ALL THE TIME, WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD PHASE THIS PROJECT.
NOW IT'S UP TO INTERPRETATION, BUT THAT'S THE WAY WE INTENDED THE DRAFT OF THE PROFFER THAT WE HAVE IS PROFFER NUMBER ONE.
WERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, I'M SORRY.
JUST ON BEHALF OF, UH, MY OFFICER CD WHO I'VE BEEN PEERING AROUND THE CORNER AT, IT MAY NOT BE CLEAR THAT STOPPING SHORT OF HANOVER IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT, UM, PLANNING STAFF WOULD BE MAKING THAT DETERMINATION AND, AND I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN YET.
WE HAVEN'T HAD, WE HAVEN'T, YEAH.
AND THEY HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT, BUT THE APPLICANT I'M SURE COULD ALSO PROFFER IN HERE, RIGHT? IN HIS PROFFER.
IT'LL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UM, BUT IT MAY ALSO STOP SHORT OF THE HANOVER LINE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE A COUPLE OF WORDS HE COULD THROW INTO THAT PROFFER.
THAT WOULD THEN SORT OF REQUIRE PLANNING STAFF TO FIND THAT IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT HE'S PROFFERING WHEN IT COMES IN.
OR WE COULD INCLUDE PHASING LANGUAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, OF
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SOME SORT THAT WOULD SAY THAT WE COULD PHASE IT SO THAT THE ROAD COULD BE EXTENDED TO THE PROP, THE COUNTY LINE.ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH, SO WHILE, WHILE THIS IS UP, IF YOU DON'T MIND LEAVING THAT SLIDE, IF I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, I SEE IT'S A 60 FOOT AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT EARLIER, BUT THAT 60 FOOT WIDE IS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT COMES IN, IT'S SOME RIGHT, RIGHT ANGLE TURN GOING TOWARD TOWARDS THE CARTER PROPERTY.
I CAN ACTUALLY, I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A, A BETTER ONE THAT I HIGHLIGHTED THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE, THAT IT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED SO THAT IT, UM, WHERE, WHERE IT'S LOCATED TO HAVE THE DISTANCE FROM PONY FARM ROAD AS WELL AS BE ABLE TO HAVE A NICE ENTRYWAY TO BE ABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE CARTER PIECE.
WE USE IT CURRENTLY AS WELL AS DEVELOP.
SO JUST IF YOU DON'T MIND KEEPING UP, LEMME JUST DIRECT STEP BECAUSE I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT STAN DOES, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT, AND WOULD, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU SAY THAT MEETS THE NEEDS IF THE CARTER PARCEL IS, IS EVER DEVELOPED, WOULD THAT MEET THE, WOULD THAT MEET THE ROAD ACCESS NEEDS FOR, UM, THE, UH, ENVISIONED POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CARTER PARCEL? DID Y'ALL LOOK AT IT WITH THAT PERSPECTIVE? 'CAUSE I KNOW THE FOCUS WAS TO JUST TO GET, TO GET ACCESS TO THE LAND FOR, BUT, BUT IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IF THE CARTER PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED, YOU'RE LIKE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BACKPEDAL AND SAY, OH NO, THIS IS, THIS ISN'T ADEQUATE OR SOME, SOMETHING ABOUT THAT ACCESS DOESN'T WORK.
UM, TO BE FRANK WITH YOU, MR. LUMPKINS, IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT OR INTENT OF THAT LAND IS.
UM, THE 50 FOOT, BUT THE COMP, EXCUSE ME, BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONSIDER A SIMILAR TO USE WHAT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF IT.
UM, TYPICALLY YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A 62 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, UM, FOR A TWO-LANE ROAD.
I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT, RIGHT HERE.
SO THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOUR LANES AND THEN A, A SMALL SHOULDER.
SO YOU JUST SAY, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S FOR A MAJOR ROAD.
I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE AN ACCESS ROAD, WHICH WOULD THEN, UM, BE DETERMINED BASED ON WHATEVER DEFINITIVE END USE COMES IN.
BUT AGAIN, AGAIN, I'M JUST ASKING YOU, FIGURING A USE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S GONNA BE, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, WHAT'S GONNA BE ON BOTH SIDES OF IT? THAT'S WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M GETTING AT, I WAS JUST, IF I MAY, WE WERE JUST CHECK CHECKING WITH, UH, MR. MILLS, WHO'S THE ENGINEER.
THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, 60 FOOT WIDE IS, UH, ALL THAT'S NECESSARY FOR ACCESS MANAGEMENT FOR A PUBLIC ROAD TO BE BUILT AND DEDICATED.
WHICH IF, AGAIN, I I, I REALLY FEEL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE PLAYING WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT IF IT GOT DEVELOPED SIMILAR TO OURS, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC ROAD.
AND THAT WAS THE INTENT THAT THIS WAS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW FOR THIS TO BE A PUB BUILT AS A PUBLIC ROAD TO BRING IT INTO THIS PROPERTY.
SO THEY, THEY COULD DO THE SAME THING WE'RE DOING, WHICH IS TO SELL LOTS IF THEY NEED TO ON PUBLIC ROAD FRONTAGE, WHICH WOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO THEY WOULD NOT NEED, WHAT I'M GETTING AT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO BY, BY DO THE WAY YOU'VE STRUCTURED THIS, YOU YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.
YOU'RE THE PEOPLE THAT EITHER BUILD OR LEASE OR WHATEVER YOUR PLANS ARE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING ON THAT EASEMENT.
THAT WOULD PREVENT THE, FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS GIVING ADEQUATE PUBLIC ROAD ACCESS IN THE FUTURE.
WE'VE GOT A PRIVATE AGREEMENT WITH, UH, WITH THAT LANDOWNER, AND THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T NEED TO USE IT FOR ANY PURPOSE.
IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE UP TO THAT LANDOWNER TO BUILD AND DEVELOP IT, EITHER AS A PRIVATE ROAD OR A PUBLIC ROAD, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE USING THEIR PROPERTY FOR.
SO, BUT WE CAN'T, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING OTHERWISE TO PROHIBIT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
BUT THEY CAN USE IT THE SECOND THEY START REZONING OR DO DOING IT USING THEIR PROPERTY FOR ANY PURPOSE.
DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO YOUR SLIDE? 'CAUSE IT WAS THE AERIAL, LIKE THE GOOGLE MAPS KIND OF THING WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, THIS ONE? NO, NO, NOT, UH, ACTUALLY SHOWED THE, UM, YOU HAD A BIG, BIG PICTURE OF, THERE YOU GO.
SO YOUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PIECE IS RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ONES THAT YOU HAD ON THE OTHER MEMBER YES, SIR.
AT THAT POINT, RIGHT, SIR? YEP.
THAT'S JUST, AND AS, AS WE, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT STAND, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, UH, HAVING TO PUT THE, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OF THE B M P AT THAT LOCATION.
AT THIS POINT I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, IF WE DO HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE WANTING TO DONATE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO OTHER FOLKS, YOU CAN GIVE UP THE TWO MINUTES.
UH, SO PLEASE, UH, YOU GUYS SAW HOW WE DID THIS.
SO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IF, LIKE, IF MULTIPLE PEOPLE ARE GONNA SPEAK YOU, CAN YOU, YOU CAN COME DOWN AND SIT ON THE FRONT ROW.
THIS WAY WE CAN KIND OF MOVE THROUGH FOLKS RATHER HAVING TO CRAWL OVER PEOPLE AND STUFF.
HI, UM, I'M AARON DAWSON AT 1 1 4 0 4 BRICK VIEW LANE.
AND I WANNA CLARIFY ONE OF THE LEFT TURN CONCERNS.
IT'S FROM OILVILLE ROAD ONTO PONY FARM ROAD.
SO THAT IS A SEPARATE LEFT TURN CONCERN.
UM, AND THEN THE TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF 64, AS YOU KNOW, OR MAY NOT KNOW, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IT BACKS UP ONTO THE INTERSTATE AND DURING RUSH HOUR AND, UM, 40 HOMES WERE JUST APPROVED OFF OF FAIRGROUND, I BELIEVE.
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SO HOW ARE THOSE PEOPLE GONNA GET TO THEIR HOMES OFF OF FAIRGROUND? THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA USE THAT EXIT.SO THAT'S MORE TRAFFIC OFF OF THAT EXIT.
SO I, I WANNA KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE ABOUT THIS.
YOU'RE GROWING, GROWING, GROWING, I GET THAT.
BUT WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE FOR THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE AREA? UM, AND THAT'S ALL.
I LIVE AT THE SAME ADDRESS, SIR.
UM, THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE IN PARTICULAR, I MEAN, I, I'VE GOT ALL KIND OF NOTES AND I, I THINK MOST OF 'EM ARE POINTLESS, BUT I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY IT CONTINUES TO BE SAID.
WE DON'T NEED A LEFT-HAND TURN LANE OFF OF OILVILLE TO PONY FARM BECAUSE WE ALREADY NEED A LEFT-HAND TURN LANE OFF OF OILVILLE TO PONY FARM.
VDOT HAS SAID WE NEED A LEFT-HAND TURN LANE.
THE APPLICANT STUDY SAYS WE NEED A LEFT-HAND TURN LANE AND THEN THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE OFF OF PONY FARM INTO THE SITE THAT'S BASED ON TODAY.
AND LIKE YOU GUYS SHARED EARLIER, THEY CAN DEVELOP THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET.
THE 150 ACRES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF US IS NOW OWNED BY THE SAME INDIVIDUAL COULD DEVELOP THAT AS WELL.
SO ARE WE GONNA KEEP NEGLECTING THE CITIZEN SAFETY? UM, I WOULD JUST ASK YOU GUYS TO ADDRESS THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA APPROVE IT.
HELLO, MY NAME IS BETH BERRY HILL AND I LIVE AT, UH, 1 9 2 1 4 HOLLY COURT LANE OFF OF SIX 17, WHICH IS DIRECTLY OFF OF ORVILLE ROAD.
SO, AS I SAID, YES, WE DEFINITELY NEED A LEFT HAND TURN LANE.
AS I WAS COMING HERE TONIGHT COMING FROM, UH, SIX 17 AND SIX 17 AND I'M PASSING, UH, PONY FARM.
THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE AND SOME GUY ALMOST PULLS OUT.
THERE'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE COMING HOME.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.
AND I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA PULL OUT IN FRONT OF ME 'CAUSE HE REALLY COULD NOT SEE ME BECAUSE IT WAS ANOTHER CAR IN, IN FRONT OF HIM.
SO, UM, ALSO EARLIER IT WAS SAID THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON PONY FARM.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY NEED, BUT WE NEED A GREAT BIG 64 INTERCHANGE TURNAROUND BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC UP THERE, UH, JUST A HALF A MILE AWAY.
SO WHY IS THERE SO MUCH TRAFFIC UP THERE? BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH ON PONY FARM.
I'VE LIVED OUT THERE 34 YEARS.
I USED TO HAVE TO STAND AT THE END WHEN MY KIDS GOT ON THE BUS.
PEOPLE ARE DOING 65 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THAT ROAD.
AND I COME HOME, I'M PASSING 18 WHEELERS.
THERE IS A TON OF TRAFFIC OUT THERE, A TON.
AND IT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND AS I'M LISTENING TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH HAVING THE, UH, CONCERN AND VISION TO THINK ABOUT GOING FORWARD.
WHAT, WHAT'S A COMMUNITY GONNA LOOK LIKE? UM, BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SEEMS TO BE LOST IN THIS WHOLE THING.
NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALLOWED TO COME UP HERE AND SAY WHAT WE WANNA SAY AND, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE PROCESS.
BUT REALLY IT'S LIKE, WE'RE GOING AHEAD WITH THIS.
WE'RE ALL ABOUT ECONOMIC, INDUSTRIAL, YOU KNOW, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO, SO THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COUNTRY ARE IN THE COUNTRY FOR A REASON.
UH, DUSTIN SMITH, 2380 RIVER ROAD WEST.
UM, I'M ALSO A PROPERTY OWNER IN THE ADJACENT OILVILLE INDUSTRIAL PARK.
AND, UH, I HAD A LOT TO SAY, BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH BEEN SAID.
I WANT TO COME BACK HERE AND SAY, WE DON'T HAVE, LIKE, IF YOU'RE A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN GLAND, THERE'S NOWHERE, NOWHERE FOR YOU TO GO.
YOU'RE PRICED OUTTA A SHORT PUMP.
YOU CAN'T GO TO LANIER, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO MIDPOINT.
'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE A LOCAL CUSTOMER BASE, THEY'RE NOT COMING THERE.
THERE'S NO SPACE LEFT FOR ALL OF US.
IT TOOK ME THREE YEARS TO FIND A PROPERTY AND I FINALLY FOUND IT IN OILVILLE.
BUT I WAS TO THE POINT WHERE I WAS GONNA CLOSE.
LIKE, I JUST COULDN'T FIND A SPACE.
I COULDN'T FIND A SPACE TO BE.
SO WHILE I HEAR ALL THE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA DISCOUNT THEM, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, GLAND'S ABOUT GROWING GRACEFULLY.
I THINK WE CAN DO THAT AND DO THIS.
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THANK YOU.CALL AT, UH, TWENTY FIVE THIRTY SIX TURKEY CREEK DUSTIN'S NEIGHBOR.
LOVE THE LOVE WHAT THE COUNTY'S DOING, AND THERE'S JUST, YEAH, SAFE, NOT ENOUGH SPACE.
ANYONE ELSE? AND WE HAVE MS. WORLEY YES, IN THE CAPACITY OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
SECRETARY, GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS SARAH WORLEY.
I'M THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR GLAND COUNTY.
I AM ALSO THE SECRETARY FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF GLAND.
AND I'M HERE ON THEIR BEHALF TO READ AND TO THE RECORD A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
PLEASE ACCEPT THIS LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT ON PONY FARM ROAD, AS FILED IN REZONING CASE RZ 20 23 1.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL AID IN FULFILLING A NEED FOR INDUSTRIAL SPACE IN GLAND COUNTY.
THERE IS A LACK OF AVAILABLE INDUSTRIAL SPACE IN THE COUNTY, WHICH IS LIMITING OUR ABILITY TO GROW GLAND'S ECONOMY.
AS YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF THE GLIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY IS TO FACILITATE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL GROWTH IN THE COUNTY.
IN KEEPING WITH THE MISSION OF THE GLIN E D A, WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT IN THIS LOCATION IN 2021, THE GLIN E D A FUNDED A STUDY TO ANALYZE WHAT TYPES OF EXISTING AND EMERGING INDUSTRIES GLAND SHOULD RECRUIT AND PROMOTE DUE THE DUE TO THE COUNTY'S PRIME LOCATION.
AND FOUR INTERCHANGES ON I 64, CONSTRUCTION, LOGISTICS AND MANUFACTURING WERE IDENTIFIED AS TARGETED INDUSTRIES.
FURTHERMORE, DUE, DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY TO EXISTING INDUSTRIAL PARKS AND INTERSTATE 64, THE COUNTY HAS DESIGNATED THIS AREA FOR INDUSTRIAL.
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS SUCH, REZONING OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURAL TO INDUSTRIAL IS IN KEEPING WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, STRATEGIC PLAN, AND GLAND'S TARGETED INDUSTRIES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF THIS IMPORTANT PROJECT.
SINCERELY, BENJAMIN J STALLONE II, CHAIR OF GLAND E D A.
ANY OTHER FOLKS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO ANYTHING THEY HURT? JUST, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK POINTS.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, UH, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT LEFT TURN LANES.
ONE THING I I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, WITH, THAT I DIDN'T MENTION BEFORE WAS WITH RESPECT TO HANOVER, AGAIN, DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING, THE CONCERN WAS THAT THAT LEFT TURN FROM OILVILLE ONTO PONY FARM, THAT WAS THE ONE CONCERN.
THE CONCERN WAS THAT IT'S ENTIRELY IN GLAND, NOT IN HANOVER.
AND THEY WANTED A STATEMENT FROM GLAND.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
AS SOON AS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER GETS BACK FROM VACATION TO PROVIDE THAT TO THEM, TO SAY THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRING IT, THEY BEING GLAND COUNTY STAFF AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, THEY ALSO WANTED TO HEAR FROM VDOT, WHICH WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT ONE OR THE OTHER.
UM, AND THAT WAS REALLY THE, THE QUESTION ON THE DEFERRAL FROM, UH, AND THAT, AND THAT ULTIMATELY IS, AND I KNOW IT'S A CONCERN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF FRUSTRATION BY FOLKS THAT CURRENTLY THAT LEFT TURN MOVEMENT, IT WARRANTS WITHOUT US WARRANTS THAT LEFT TURN.
AND, BUT IT STILL FUNCTIONS AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE A AND B, IT'S VERY RARE, RIGHT, THAT YOU NEED A LEFT TURN LANE, BUT YOU'RE STILL FUNCTIONING AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE AT A AND B.
WE ACTUALLY DID OUR REVISED OUR TRAFFIC STUDY TO NOT ONLY ADD TRUCK TRAFFIC TO ADD TWICE AS MUCH TRUCK TRAFFIC AT THE AS WE WOULD OTHERWISE ANTICIPATE PER THE I T E CODE.
AND IT STILL DIDN'T DISRUPT THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
IT'S STILL FUNCTIONING AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE A AND B AND THE COUNTY IS, UM, COMMITTED TO THE COUNTY OF GLAND AND THE STAFF ARE COMMITTED TO PRIORITIZING THAT IN ADDITION TO THE ROUNDABOUT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN AS ALREADY BEEN DESCRIBED AT THE INTERCHANGE, BUT PRIORITIZING THAT LEFT TURN MOVEMENT AND GETTING FUNDING FOR THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'LL HELP RESOLVE A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES OTHERWISE, THAT AGAIN, CURRENTLY EXISTS.
SO, UH, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE, UH, ADJACENT LANDOWNER TO GET ACCESS.
THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THAT MORE THAN JUST, UH, WHAT WE CAN FUNCTION TONIGHT.
UM, AND A LOT OF IT'LL DEPEND UPON WHAT THEIR AGREEMENTS ARE.
THAT'S WHY WE, WITH THE CARR FAMILY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM OVER THE COURSE OF THAT.
UM, WE WOULD, UH, LIKE TO GO FORWARD TONIGHT, WE THINK IT'S GONNA HELP WITH THE HANOVER SIDE.
WE FEEL VERY POSITIVE OF THAT.
WE'LL WORK WITH THE STAFF, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, BE ABLE TO PREFER TO HAVE A PROFFER THAT ALLOWS FOR PHASING OR AN UNDERSTANDING OF PHASING OF THAT ACCESS ROAD AT THIS POINT.
WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
UM, BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR MOTION? MS. LAST COLLETTE.
SO I AM STILL CONFUSED ABOUT THE LEFT TURN LANE FROM OILVILLE TO PONY FARM.
HOW IS IT, AND AGAIN, I'M SHOWING MAYBE SOME IGNORANCE HERE.
HOW IS IT THAT THAT INTERSECTION CAN BE AN AB LEVEL OF SERVICE AND STILL HAVE A TURN
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LANE WARRANTED? I NEED THAT EXPLAINED TO ME.UM, IT'S JUST BECAUSE THE EXISTING TRAFFIC COUNT AND THE QUEUING AS YOU SEE DURING THE PM WITH, UM, WHERE FOLKS ARE COMING FROM.
AND ONE THING I WILL SAY IS, ALTHOUGH THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT LEFT TURN LANE, UM, AND WE DID COVER AND TALK THROUGH HOW THAT WAS CONSIDERED AN OFFSITE IMPROVEMENT REQUIRING THAT LEFT TURN LANE ALSO, UM, WHEN STAFF REVIEWED THIS WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH PRIOR, UM, COUNTY PRACTICE AND POLICY WITH THEN REQUIRING THAT OFFSITE IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT IMPACTING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE BASED ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
SO PIGGYBACK, WHICH TURN LANE ARE WE ASKING THE WAIVER FOR LEFT TURN LANE FROM PONY FARM INTO THE INDUSTRIAL PRO PRO? YES SIR.
SO THE OTHER TURN LANE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, OILVILLE AND IN THERE? YES.
AND I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CONVERSATIONS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THAT'S NEWS TO ME FROM THE APPLICANT.
THE ONLY IMPROVEMENTS WE ARE MAKING ARE THE ROUNDABOUT AT THE INTERCHANGE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I THINK THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE SAID SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND THEN MR. N, WHILE YOU'RE THERE, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING? YOU KNOW, THERE IS A QUESTION IN MY MIND OF IF, IF THIS WERE TO GET APPROVED TONIGHT AND THEN DECLINED IN HANOVER, THE QUESTION OF COMING BACK TO US WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT OR, OR WHAT IS STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING OF THAT? 'CAUSE I THINK THERE MAY, WE MAY HAVE, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF THERE ARE ALIGNED.
UM, I WILL LET THE CASE MANAGER, UM, COME AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT, THAT WAS INFORMATION RECENTLY FLOATED TO US AS WELL.
SO SHERRY, THE QUESTION IS, WE, WE HAVE A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT IN FRONT OF US, A WHOLE HALF OF THAT PROJECT GOES AWAY.
IT WOULD SEEM ODD THAT WE WOULD BE OKAY GOING FORWARD WITH THE SAME PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT.
STAFF HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY REVIEW IT AND VET IT THROUGH OUR, UM, OTHER AGENCIES, THE SITE, UM, AS PROPOSED.
WE ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY LOOK INTO IT.
SO I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU AS PROPOSED, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, STAFF IS COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH WITHOUT REVIEWING.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR? YES.
IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY HAVE A DIFFERENT PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT BASED ON WHAT WE SAW TONIGHT IN THE EVENT THAT IT DID NOT PASS THROUGH HANOVER.
JUST TO CLARIFY MR CHAIRMAN, THAT THE DOCUMENTS ACTUALLY ATTACHED HERE IS YOUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN 'CAUSE YOUR PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? YES.
COMES LATER JUST TO CLARIFY AND THEN HOW, HOW BINDING IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN? BECAUSE I'D HATE TO MAKE SOMEBODY GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS, HOWEVER, IF THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES IT SHOULD COME BACK BEFORE US.
I MEAN ONCE YOU CAN READ THE LANGUAGE ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN PROFFER AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SAY IT'LL BE AN EXACT, IT SAYS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF STREETS, VEGETATION BUFFERS, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLANS, UM, GENERAL CONFORMANCE WOULD GENERALLY CONFORM.
WOULD, WOULD THAT INCLUDE LOT SIZES? IT WOULD INCLUDE GENERAL, UM, OVERALL LOT NUMBERS, UM, AND GENERALIZED LOCATION OF ACCESS ROAD.
UM, GENERALIZED LOCATION OF YOUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PONDS.
THANK YOU PETERSON? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR.
UM, JUST TO FOLLOW ALONG ON THAT, UM, I'LL WAIT FOR MS. MCGEE TO, IF I'M DIGESTING, UM, THERE WAS SOME, I THOUGHT I HEARD SOME EARLIER DISCUSSION THAT, UM, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY TO EITHER DO THE ENTIRE THING OR PULL UP SHORT, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IN THAT DESCRIPTION SOMEHOW THAT IT CAPTURES, UM, NOT JUST A STUB, BUT BUT AN ACTUAL TURNAROUND FOR FIRE RESCUE TO BE ABLE TO GO IN THERE AND, AND PUBLIC SAFETY TO DO THEIR TURNAROUND AS OPPOSED TO JUST A STUB.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL THAT GETS CAPTURED IN, IS IT IN THE P O D OR THE YEAH, I MEAN RIGHT NOW THE RISK THAT THE APPLICANT RUNS, IF THEY ASK YOU TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT AS WRITTEN AND THEN THEY CHOOSE TO PUT A ROUNDABOUT AT THE COUNTY LINE AND NOT DO THE HANOVER, THE RISK THEY RUN IS THAT PLANNING STAFF SAYS THAT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
MY SUGGESTION TO THE APPLICANT WAS IF YOU HAVE AN INTENTION TO DO THAT AND THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THIS BOARD, YOU COULD MODIFY YOUR PROFFER TO SAY, I'M GONNA BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
IF I BUILD ALL MY LOTS, IF I BUILD ONLY IN GLAND, THEN X AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT X IS.
MR. CONLIN SAID SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'D BUILD A TEMPORARY TURNAROUND AT THE COUNTY LINE OR SOMETHING.
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I'M JUST SAYING IF HE WANTS TO IMPROVE, IF HE WANTS TO LOWER HIS RISK, THAT STAFF WILL FIND SOMETHING ONLY IN GLAND, NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH HIS CONCEPT PLAN.HE COULD AMEND HIS PROFFER TO PUT BEFORE YOU A PROFFER THAT SAYS WE ALL DID THIS AT H H HUNT, THEY HAD THREE CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
I'LL BEIT WE'LL BUILDING COMPLIANCE WITH ONE OF THESE CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
AND MY SUGGESTION WAS IF MR. CONNELL WANTS TO LOWER THAT RISK OF WHETHER STAFF WOULD FIND IT IN COMPLIANCE, HE COULD AMEND HIS PROFFER TO TO HAVE IT BE IN THAT CASE IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND THEN YOU GUYS VOTING YES OR NO ON IT WOULD WOULD BE ON THAT PROFFER.
IF I MR. CHAIRMAN YEAH, PLEASE.
AND, AND CERTAINLY I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO AMEND IF THAT, IF, IF THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, AN ANTICIPATION OF THIS ISSUE.
UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE'VE PROVIDED THAT AGAIN, THE STAFF HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO VET.
UH, BUT IT ACTUALLY LITERALLY TAKES OFF THE, UM, UH, THE HANDOVER SIDE BECAUSE REMEMBER THAT CONCEPT PLAN, WHILE SHOWING HANOVER IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE PROFFER CONDITIONS IN GLAND BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE HANOVER SIDE, WE THOUGHT IT'D BE EASIER TO SHOW THE CUL-DE-SAC AND IT ACTUALLY SHOWS ON THERE A TEMPORARY CUL-DE-SAC, UH, FOR IF, IF AND WHEN HANOVER GETS ZONED AT SOME POINT EITHER SOON OR IF FARTHER IN THE FUTURE, IT COULD BE EXTENDED IN THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND CUL-DE-SAC.
THAT'S PART OF THE VDOT STANDARDS IN ORDER TO DEDICATE, THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE THAT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
BUT WE'VE GOT THIS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO, AT THIS POINT, IF WE HAVE TO FORMALLY DO THIS, I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THIS PLAN, WHICH AGAIN HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE STAFF AND WE CAN PROVIDE IT TO THEM, WOULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE IF UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE HANOVER PROPERTY GETS REZONED AND DEVELOPED, THE REALITY IS THAT WE COULD ALWAYS PHASE THIS AND BUILD, EVEN IF BOTH PROPERTIES WERE ZONED TODAY, WE COULD BUILD THE GOOCHLAND SIDE AND STOP THE CUL-DE-SAC AT THAT POINT.
AND I THINK WE'D STILL BE IN COMPLIANCE.
BUT TO CLARIFY, WE'D LIKE TO DO IT AT THIS WAY.
THIS IS VERY HELPFUL SPEAKING.
SO I, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MR. CONLIN, IS THAT YOU WOULD REVISE YOUR PROFFER ONE TO IDENTIFY THIS AS ANOTHER CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
ONE BEING THE ONE THAT WE'VE ALREADY PROMISED THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT.
AND THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE TO IDENTIFY THIS AS AN ALTERNATIVE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THAT ONE COULD BE CONSTRUCTED AND THOSE SHOW ON THERE AS A TEMPORARY CUL-DE-SAC.
I CAN ALWAYS, ALWAYS IDENTIFY THAT LANGUAGE.
BUT IT'S ALREADY ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
AND, AND WHILE YOU'RE SAYING TEMPORARY, I MEAN IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT, BUT WE LAWYERS ARE PAID TO LOOK AHEAD TO WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, UM, YOU SAY TEMPORARY, BUT IF IT DIDN'T GET APPROVED IN HANOVER, IT WOULD THEN IT BE PERMANENT.
THIS WOULD THAT WOULD BE PERMANENT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE EXACTLY.
SO, UM, AND THEN WHAT OTHER COMMENT THAT, THAT MR. CONLIN MADE? AND KEEP IN MIND YOUR STAFF HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS.
AND HIS OTHER COMMENT WAS THE HANOVER PROPERTIES AREN'T SUBJECT TO THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS HERE.
AND, AND THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT AND AND STAFF IN MY OFFICE WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT ABOUT LET'S, LET'S TRY AND MAKE THEM ALL CONSISTENT PROFFERS THAT'S NOT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
SO IT IS ACCURATE THAT WHILE HE, IF HE BUILDS A HANOVER, IT HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT INCLUDES THE HANOVER PROPERTIES, THE WHATEVER PROFFERS ARE ON HANOVER ARE NOT BEFORE YOU.
AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW CONSISTENT THEY WOULD BE TO THE ONES THAT ARE BEFORE YOU FOR THE GOOCHLAND PROPERTIES.
JUST TO LAYER THAT IN MR. GUTEN.
AND THAT WAS, UM, ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF MY QUESTION.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND JUST SHADE OR DARK OUT THE HANOVER, HER SIDE AND SAY, THAT DOESN'T, ISN'T BINDING BY THIS, I END UP WITH A STRAIGHT STUB INSTEAD OF A CUL-DE-SAC.
RIGHT? INTRODUCING THIS, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THIS TO BE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT HAS NOT BEEN VETTED BY STAFF, BUT THE ULTIMATE P O D THAT WOULD FLOW FROM THIS WOULD BE VETTED BY STAFF.
IT WOULD'VE TO COMPLY WITH PUBLIC SAFETY AND STAFF, UH, ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
AND I, I WILL COMMIT TO YOU LITERALLY THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME IN THE GOLAND SIDE, OTHER THAN THAT TEMPORARY SLASH PERMANENT CUL-DE-SAC, UH, THAT'S IN THERE.
OTHERWISE THE BUFFERS, THE ACCESS POINTS, THE, UH, EVERYTHING IS EXACTLY THE SAME.
UH, R K K LITERALLY JUST THREW THE LINE AND CLEARED IT OFF ON HANOVER SIDE AND THOUSAND SECOND.
HOW ABOUT THE FIRE? HOW ABOUT THE FIRE COMPONENT? WHEN, WHEN YOU KNOCK OUT A BUNCH OF THOSE PROPERTIES ON THE HANOVER SIDE, ARE YOU CHANGING THE FIRE COMPONENT? UH, SO AND, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING I WANTED TO TOUCH ON.
UM, MR. CONLAN MENTIONED THAT THIS WOULD MEET STATE STANDARDS.
UM, THE STATE FOLLOWS CHAPTER FIVE OF FIRE CODE, ESPECIALLY VDOT, UM, HAS DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR FIRE ACCESS ROADS AND UM, ESPECIALLY WITH STUBS THEN THE COUNTY IS WORKING TO MOVE TOWARDS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON ACCESS MANAGEMENT, UM, AND WE FOLLOW APPENDIX D.
UM, AND AGAIN, JUST, UH, MAYBE MAKING SURE THAT THEN WE HAVE A CAVEAT IN THERE THAT THEN IT WOULD MEET THAT STUB TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT, UM, UH, ACCESS REQUIREMENTS PER APPENDIX D JUST SO THAT FROM A FIRE RESCUE STANDPOINT IF SOMETHING OCCURS.
UM, WE JUST HAVE THAT SINCE STAFF HAS NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
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TO, UH, REVIEW THIS, UH, CONCEPTUAL AS PRESENTED TO YOU ALL.OKAY, MS. LASETTE? UM, I THINK I GOT MY, OKAY.
MR. SS, UM, MR. COLLIN, I JUST WANT YOU TO REITERATE, IF, IF THIS, UH, PATH PLAN WERE APPROVED, THE TOPOGRAPHY DOES NOT CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL ISSUES.
I MEAN NO, UH, WITH WATER DRAINAGE, RUNOFF, ANYTHING LIKE THAT AGAIN? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS BECAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, PREVIOUSLY GLAND STORM WATER IS HANDLED ALL IN GLAND IN ANY CASE.
AND FROM A TOPOGRAPHICAL STANDPOINT, WE CAN PUT THIS CUL-DE-SAC IN.
UM, AT THAT POINT IT WILL STAY THERE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE HANOVER WOULD GET DEVELOPED.
THIS PROPERTY'S OWNED BY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER.
WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE HANOVER PIECE.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE ZONED AGRICULTURE AT THIS POINT.
SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE EITHER.
SO IT'LL GO RIGHT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
OH, AND I GUESS ONE, ONE FINAL QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD ANSWER THIS.
THAT STUB ROAD, UH, THAT ENDS IN THE CUL, OH, WHATEVER WE CALL IT, THE ROAD THAT ENDS IN THE CULDESAC, THE CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, COULD WE, THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING ON THAT ROAD, WOULD THERE, OR COULD WE SET CONDITIONS THAT THAT NOT BE ALLOWED IN ORDER TO PERMIT? BECAUSE IN THEORY, EACH PROPERTY OWNER COULD DESIGN THEIR SPACE TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING, SO THEY NEVER ARE ON THAT ROAD.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT CERTAINLY WAS THE INTENT.
I DON'T THINK, UH, IS THAT WIDE ENOUGH TO EVEN PARK ON? I'LL ASK MR. MILLS TO, YOU KNOW, DON, YOU COME ON UP.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR HIM TO DO THAT THING.
UM, I'M, I'M MALACHI MILLS WITH ARC K AND K WITH WORKING WITH THE CLIENT AND DOING THE ENGINEERING ON, ON, ON ALL OF THIS.
UM, TO ANSWER YOUR, UH, QUESTION, MR. S UM, AND I GOTTA THINK ABOUT IT 'CAUSE I WANT, I'M MAKE SURE IT'S RIGHT, THE 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
I MEAN, WE, WE HAVEN'T, WE, WE, WE CERTAINLY DON'T EXPECT ANY PARKING ON IT 'CAUSE IT, IT'S A WIDER ROAD.
'CAUSE WE DO EXPECT TRUCKS WITH TRAILERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT, LET'S SEE, SIX FOOT RIGHT AWAY, ROADSIDE DITCH, UH, IF WE MAKE A 32 FEET WIDE IN PAVEMENT, IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE SIGNED FIRE LANE, NO PARKING.
I THINK I I THE DESIGN RIGHT NOW IS 30 FEET WIDE.
MR. DAVIES, YOU WOULD, PRO CHIEF WOULD PROBABLY SAY I GOTTA HAVE NO PARKING FIRE LANE SIDES ON BOTH SIDES.
SO THAT'S, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK TECHNICALLY, I MEAN THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE NUANCE IN THERE, BUT THERE, THERE'S NO INTENT TO PART HAVE ANY ROADSIDE BECAUSE IT'S THE PUBLIC ROAD THAT'D BE V AT GLAND FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD CONTROL THAT.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO ADD TO CONDITIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM.
WE'D HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE RULES.
BOARD DID, DID I, MR. CONLIN, DID I, DID I SEE, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER ALL THE THINGS I'VE LOOKED AT OVER THE MONTHS.
DID YOU HAVE THE TANK THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION? UM, 30,000.
CAN I GO BACK TO MY, UH, THE LARGER PLAT THAT, UH, I CIRCLED IT THERE.
IT'S A RED CIRCLE THAT'S JUST BELOW THE BLUE CIRCLE.
THAT'S A 30,000 GALLON SYSTEM.
RED, THERE'S, THERE'S RED CIRCLE.
GOT RED CIRCLE, BLUE CIRCLE BETWEEN THE BLUE CIRCLE.
IT'S A, IT'S MORE OF A MAROON.
SO THAT'S IN RED OUTTA COLORS.
YOU, YOU HAVE THAT SAME SIZE TANK.
EVEN IF YOU LOSE ALL THOSE OTHER LOTS, YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THAT TANK THAT'S IN GOLAND.
UNDER PROFFERED CONDITIONS, THERE'S NO IF, ANDS OR BUTS ON THAT ONE.
WE'VE COMMITTED THAT UNDER THE PROFFERS THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND THAT'S AGAIN IN THE GOLAND PROPERTY AND THAT'S ON THE OTHER MAP AS WELL.
AND, AND THE LOSS OF THE LOTS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WANNA RE RESIZE THAT WHEN YOU LOSE SOME OF THE LOTS? NO SIR.
BOARD, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE MR. CONLAND? DID YOU WANT TO GIVE US THE LANGUAGE, UM, ON THAT AMENDED PROFFER ONE? UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE THINK IT'S OKAY, UH, I WAS GOING TO, UH, ON THE PROFFER ONE WOULD THE PROPER SHALL GENERALLY CONFORM TO THE, I WAS GONNA PLACE WITH APP PARENTHESIS A THE CONCEPT PLAN JUST AS IT'S WRITTEN, UH, LAST REVIVES DECEMBER 14TH, 20 2022, ATTACHED TO THE STATEMENT PROPERTIES EXHIBIT A, UH, OR PARENTHESES B AND THEN RECITE THE EXACT SAME, UH, TITLE THAT WE HAD OTHERWISE, JUST LIKE WE HAVE THERE AND, AND LABEL IT AS EXHIBIT B, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
BOARD, UM, UH, FOR CASE NUMBER
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RZ 2 MILLION 2 3 0 0 1 APPLICATION BY I 64 INDUSTRIAL L L C REQUESTING A REZONING OF 39.8 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TWO TO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL M TWO WITH PR COMMISSIONS AS AMENDED.SECOND DISCUSSION, MS. LASETTE.
OKAY, SO THE PLAN B I GUESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE HANOVER DOES NOT APPROVE IT AND WE ONLY HAVE THE GLAND SIDE.
WE'RE SAYING THAT, UM, STAFF HAS NOT LOOKED AT THIS PLAN, BUT THEY WILL LOOK AT THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'VE NOT LOOKED AT THE CONCEPTUAL, SO STILL THE STAFF WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS.
AND WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT IT'S, IT IS IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE WOULD'VE HAD ANYWAY.
IS THAT OUR UNDERSTANDING? YES.
UM, WE'VE HEARD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE TURN LANE, AND WE UNDERSTAND IT'S WARRANTED, AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO GET LOST IN THIS DISCUSSION.
UH, WE HAVE HAD CONCERNS OVER PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENTS ON ASHTON ROAD, AND OF COURSE WE PURSUED THE D D I AND THAT'S BEEN FUNDED.
WE'VE HAD, UH, A RECENT APPROVAL ON FAIRGROUNDS, WHICH WAS MENTIONED, AND WE'VE, UM, TODAY ACTUALLY TAKING SOME ACTION TO DO SOME INITIAL IMPROVEMENTS ON FAIRGROUNDS.
AND THAT'S RISEN TO OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, ON OUR RADAR SCREEN.
UM, AND IT'S GETTING DUE ATTENTION.
AND, AND I KIND OF WANT THIS TO BE THE SAME WAY THAT IF WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING HERE, WE'VE HEARD CONCERNS WE NEED TO UNDERTAKE TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY WHERE IT'S WARRANTED.
MR. LUMPKINS, UH, I, THIS AMENDMENT THAT WE JUST AGREED TO OR WE WE'RE CONTEMPLATING, UH, I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING.
I MEAN, WE WERE, WE WERE SYNCING OURSELVES UP AND COORDINATING WITH HANOVER PRETTY WELL RIGHT UP UNTIL NOW.
WE JUST ARE KIND OF THROWING IN THE TOWEL ON THAT COORDINATION WITH HANOVER.
IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE THAT.
I THINK IF, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TURKEY CREEK, UM, THAT'S A HANOVER ISSUE.
BUT, UM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A BETTER PROJECT WITH THE HANDOVER SIDE.
THIS WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PROJECT WITH THE HANDOVER SIDE APPROVED.
UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND SOMEBODY HAS TO JUMP FIRST, I GUESS.
UM, I'M, I'M DISAPPOINTED WE DIDN'T FIGURE OUT SOMETHING MORE ON CONNECTIVITY.
MAYBE IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, MAYBE WHAT, UH, THE ACCESS TO THE CARTER PROPERTY IS GOING TO GIVE US THAT NEEDED ACCESS MAYBE TO THE FUTURE.
MAYBE WE CAN PULL MORE TRAFFIC OFF OF PONY FARM ROAD MAYBE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I, I KNOW THERE'S A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, WE, WE DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME REALLY LOOKING AT THE EXACT LOCATION.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED MR. CONLAND TO BRING UP THAT AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH.
AND, UH, WHEN I WALKED IT, I, I, I WAS THINKING THERE WERE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO CONNECT AND, AND, UM, UH, MR. SMITH IS THE, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY MR. SMITH IS THE ONE WHO SPOKE, IS THE ONE WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY OVER IN OILVILLE.
AND THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR, UM, COMMUNICATING WITH ME, UM, RECENTLY WHEN I'VE TRACKED YOU DOWN TO TALK ABOUT YOUR INTEREST IN THIS.
UM, YEAH, I APPRECIATE ALL STAFF HAS DONE.
I I DO THINK THERE'S SOME MISSED OPPORTUNITIES, BUT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
UM, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN THIS APPLICATION AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER APPLICATIONS GOING ON.
UM, AND, AND THIS IS COMPLICATED BY THE HANOVER PIECE.
IT, IT, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE NOT SEEN BEFORE AND IT RAISES LOTS OF QUESTIONS, BUT I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S EFFORTS.
I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THIS IS, IT MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND UH, IT'S RIGHT OFF THE INTERSTATE.
UH, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM M ONE WITHOUT PROFFERS.
UH, SO YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S MAKES IT, UH, REALLY UNFORTUNATE FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LIVES NEAR THERE.
BUT, UH, IT'S CERTAINLY CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT UPON WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, SO I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION HERE SOON.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MR. WATERS? OKAY.
I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION.
UM, SO I'LL, I'LL CHIME IN HERE.
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ARE ALL TOUGH, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, YOU'VE GOT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS TO SHOW THINGS WITH PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS.I, I'LL TELL YOU, I WAS VERY CLEAR WHEN I RAN FOR OFFICE, THERE WERE, THERE WERE A FEW BIG THINGS THAT I SAID THAT I WAS, FOR ONE OF 'EM WAS SMALL BUSINESS, BEING A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER MYSELF, AND ANOTHER ONE WAS MAINTAINING THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THIS COUNTY.
AND PEOPLE OFTEN WONDER HOW WE DO THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT DON'T WANT THE COMMERCIAL SAY, WE'LL BUILD MORE HOUSES TO GET THROUGH.
OTHER PEOPLE SAY, UH, WELL DO MORE COMMERCIAL.
IF YOU WERE IN OUR FINANCE AND AUDIT MEETING, UM, TODAY, WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
'CAUSE IT WAS ACTUALLY FASCINATING.
UM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, WE, WE ARE AT ABOUT 80% RESIDENTIAL AND 20% COMMERCIAL.
AND THE BOARD AT THAT TIME HAD MADE A COMMITMENT TO MOVE TOWARDS A 70 30.
SO ONE OF THE REASONS YOU HELP KEEP IT RURAL AND MAINTAINED IS THERE'S TWO REAL STRATEGIES THAT WE UTILIZE.
WE KEEP THE GROWTH IN THE TARGETED AREAS, COURTHOUSE, CENTERVILLE.
WE ALSO LOOK TO GROW THE COMMERCIAL.
SO RIGHT NOW, TODAY WE'RE AT ABOUT A 75, 25 SPLIT.
IF I'M REALLY ASKED TO KEEP IT RURAL WHILE KEEPING REVENUES AND KEEPING TAXES, LOWS, AND BRINGING SERVICES, THERE'S, THERE'S NO SECRET FORMULA FOR THIS.
HOWEVER, THIS GETS US TOWARDS THAT GOAL.
SO THIS GOES EXACTLY ONTO THE KEY PLATFORMS THAT I RAN ON, WHICH WAS BRING BUSINESSES AND KEEP IT RURAL, UM, FOR ALL THE OTHER REASONS WE'VE HEARD.
UM, AND THE AMOUNT OF, I'VE NEVER GOTTEN AS MUCH, UM, INTEREST IN A PROJECT POSITIVELY AS I HAVE FOR THIS ONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS ON THIS, I, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GOOD, UH, GOOD PROJECT FOR GLAND.
SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE COMMENT.
UM, JUST BECAUSE IN RECENT WEEKS AND MONTHS, WE'VE BEEN TOLD AS A BOARD AND STAFF, NUMEROUS TIMES WE PUT ECONOMIC AND COMMERCIAL INTEREST AHEAD OF CITIZENS.
BUT TO MR. SPOONER'S POINT, WE HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET WITH A SIGNIFICANT SURPLUS.
WE HAVE THE LOWEST TAXES, REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY IN THE REGION.
THESE, I BELIEVE, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS ECONOMIC INTERESTS THAT BENEFIT OUR CITIZENS GREATLY.
AND IT'S A, IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE MANAGING THESE, BUT IT'S NOT WITH ZERO FORESIGHT AND ZERO CONSIDERATION.
IT, IT IS GIVING HUGE BENEFITS IN THE LONG RUN TO OUR CITIZENS.
AND, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD POSITIVE BUSINESS COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THEY CALL, UH, BOARD MEMBERS DIRECTLY, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A LIST, BUT IT'S DOZENS IF NOT MANY MORE CALLS.
ONE ANOTHER COMMENT I DID WANNA MAKE, UM, I WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROPONENTS OF ALIGNING WITH HANOVER COUNTY.
AND AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, I, WHILE IT, I MAY, WOULD IT BE A BETTER PROJECT? MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE IT WOULDN'T.
HOWEVER, AT SOME POINT WE CAN'T LET OUR FUTURE BE DETERMINED BY ANOTHER LOCALITY, BUT THE FOLKS IN HANOVER ARE GREAT FRIENDS OF OURS.
THEY, THEY ARE AWESOME NEIGHBORS.
HOWEVER, I THINK AT THIS POINT, AFTER THREE DEFERRALS, THIS BOARD HAS AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE A DECISION.
AND, UM, WHILE I, I HOPE, UH, HANOVER WILL HELP COMPLETE THIS PROJECT, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT GOOCHLAND, AND THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT WHERE, AGAIN, I WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROPONENTS OF, HEY, LET'S GO LOCKSTEP.
BUT WHEN THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS, POTENTIALLY WHY I FEEL LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO MOVE FORWARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
EVERYONE TAKE FIVE MINUTES, SEVEN MINUTES.
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READY? THAT'S HER.ALRIGHT, FOLKS, WE GO AHEAD AND TRY AND GET STARTED.
ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING BACK
[7. 5768: District 4 - RZ-2023-00004 Application by Crescent Acquisitions, LLC]
AND LET'S, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR SEVENTH AND FINAL CASE OF THE EVENING, BACKED BY POPULAR DEMAND.UM, SO GOOD EVENING AGAIN, SUPERVISORS, CRYSTAL NIUS, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
BEFORE YOU ALL, YOU HAVE YOUR LAST CASE OF THE EVENING.
NUMBER SEVEN, LUCKY NUMBER FOR SOME.
UM, UM, IT IS A REZONING APPLICATION BY CRESCENT ACQUISITIONS, L L C, ALSO KNOWN AS CRESCENT COMMUNITIES.
UM, CURRENTLY THE APPLICATION, UM, IS FOR A PARCEL THAT IS ZONED A TWO AGRICULTURAL, THEY ARE SEEKING TO REZONE TO AN M TWO LIMITED, UM, INDUSTRIAL, UM, FOR INDUSTRIAL SPECULATIVE SPEC BUILDING SPACE, WHICH MEANS, YOU KNOW, BUILDING A FACILITY OR FACILITIES ON A PARCEL, UM, WITH THE INTENT THAT THEN, UM,
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AS THE MARKET FORCES DICTATE, UM, INDUSTRIAL USERS, END USERS WOULD THEN OCCUPY THE SPACE, UM, TO REALLY INCLUDE THINGS ALONG THE LINES OF MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSING, AND DISTRIBUTION USE, ALL WHICH FIT WITHIN THE COUNTY'S EXISTING, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.UM, THE PARCEL THAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS NOW IS ABOUT 28.94 ACRES.
UM, SPECIFICALLY AS FAR AS, SORRY, THE PORTION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP FOR SPECULATIVE, UM, USE IS 28.94 ACRES.
THE TOTAL PARCEL IS 43.84 ACRES.
UM, THIS IS LOCATED ON THE ASHLAND ROAD CORRIDOR ADJACENT TO THE LANIER LINEAR, SORRY, LINEAR INDUSTRIAL PARK.
UM, AND JUST WITH REGARDS TO OUR COMP PLAN, CURRENTLY CALLS FOR FLEXIBLE LAND USE.
AND AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS IN A DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA WITHIN OUR TUCKAHOE SERVICE CREEK DISTRICT, AND IT IS THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT LAND USE MAP.
AND I'LL TOUCH ON ALL OF THAT AGAIN LATER.
SO JUST, UM, ORIENTING EVERYONE AGAIN TO, UM, THE LOCATION.
UH, IT IS ON THE ASHLAND ROAD CORRIDOR OFF OF INTERSTATE 64.
SO AGAIN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR COMP PLAN AND WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF OUR MORE, UM, HEAVY COMMERCIAL GROWTH, HAVING THAT NEAR OUR INTERCHANGES AND WHERE THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING COMMERCIAL, UM, ENTITIES, UM, WHICH IS WHERE THIS APPLICATION IS PROPOSING, APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO GO.
UM, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE AN AERIAL PHOTO MAP.
THE ACTUAL PARCEL HAS LIKE A LITTLE INTERESTING SHAPE.
THIS KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA CHARACTERIZE THAT AS.
BUT THIS HERE IN THE WHITE DOTTED LINE OUTLINE IS ACTUALLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE INDUSTRIAL SPECULATIVE SPACE, UM, CONSTRUCTION SITE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, UM, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO LINEAR INDUSTRIAL PARK.
AND THEN LUX STONE CORPORATION IS ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, I WILL REFERENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL, UM, HOMES THAT ARE NEARBY.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UM, SOME RESIDENTS 325 FEET UP THE ROAD.
UM, PARKSIDE VILLAGE IS ALSO WITHIN THIS CORRIDOR, BUT AGAIN, THERE ARE, UM, SOME MAJOR INDUSTRIAL OUTFITS.
UM, ONE THING THAT I WILL NOTE TOO IS WITH THEIR REZONING AND WITH, UM, THEIR PROPOSAL, AS YOU WILL WILL SEE TONIGHT, THEY ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSING AND, UM, PROFFERING LIGHTER USES THAN LANIER ACTUALLY HAS AND OPERATES WITH CURRENTLY TODAY.
SO A LITTLE ON OUR BACKSTORY, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THE COMP PLAN AND OUR ZONING MAP, AGAIN, THIS OPPORTUNITY AS FAR AS, UM, THE NEED PRESENTED ITSELF TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, UM, COMING IN, UM, AS A NEED FOR SPECULATIVE SPACE, THE COUNTY IS SEVERELY LACKING IN INDUSTRIAL SPACE THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE LIGHT TO MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL USE FOR SPEC BUILDINGS.
WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO TURN AWAY PROSPECTS, UM, AWAY DUE TO THE LACK OF AVAILABLE SPACE.
AND AGAIN, SPECULATIVE SPACE IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE, UM, STATE'S PRIMARY, UM, SORRY, IT'S BEEN A LONG, IT'S ONE OF THE STATE'S PRIMARY STRATEGIC GOALS FOR, UM, THE VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP, V E D P, UM, HOW WE HAVE, UM, PAD READY AND SPECULATIVE, UM, CONSTRUCTED SHELL BUILDING SITES.
AND IT'S ALSO ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S PRIORITIES AS WE TALK ABOUT, UM, VIRGINIA REMAINING A PREMIER, UM, STATE AND LOCATION FOR A BUSINESS RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A NEED WITHIN OUR COUNTY, UM, TO RECRUIT BUSINESSES AS WELL AS RETAIN GROWING BUSINESSES.
UM, I I WILL ALSO TOUCH ON THE FACT THAT WHILE THERE ARE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS WE'VE RECEIVED ON THE SPEC SPACE PIECE, BEFORE I DIVE INTO ALL THIS, UM, IF THERE WERE KNOWN END USERS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, TYPICALLY, UM, ENTITIES AND DEVELOPMENT FIRMS DO DISCLOSE THAT SIMPLY FOR THE FACT THAT THE STATE IN OF ITSELF LIKES TO HAVE THOSE JOB NUMBERS, LIKES TO T THOSE JOB NUMBERS, LIKES TO BE ABLE TO DO THE VICTORY LAP AS DO LOCALITIES.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIED END USERS, SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE WITH WHAT THE EXACT END USE MAY BE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING EXAMPLES OF PRIOR DEVELOPMENTS AND WHAT HAS ULTIMATELY GONE INTO THAT.
BUT AGAIN, IT, IT'S NOT DONE, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO, UH, NOT DISCLOSE ANYTHING.
UM, IT'S JUST TYPICALLY, UH, SPEC BUILDINGS ARE NOW PART OF, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS, UM, KIND OF TOOLBOX AND SOMETHING THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS REALLY DOING AS, UM, INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
SO, UM, JUST TOUCHING ON THIS, WHERE THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY LOCATED ON THE ZONING MAP, YOU WILL NOTE THAT IT IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT, IT IS M TWO.
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PLAN, THERE IS, UH, THE INTENT THAT IT WOULD BE, GOSH, I'M SORRY, IT HAS BEEN A LONG NIGHT ON THE COMP PLAN.ON THE COMP PLAN IT WOULD BE M ONE AND THEN THERE'S RED COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS STILL THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL, UM, COMPONENT AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, JUST TALKING THROUGH THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PIECE, THE 2035 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY IS FLEXIBLE, WHICH CALLS FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL OFFICE TYPE USES THAT NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE COUNTY THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THE COUNTY'S INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR.
AGAIN, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW IN, UM, LONG STANDING AND, UM, WELL-REGARDED INDUSTRIAL OUTFITS IN THAT CORRIDOR.
THIS IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA AND THE T C S D.
THEY WILL BE COMING INTO THE T C SS D AND PAYING THE FULL AD VALOREM DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF INTERSTATE 64 AND THE PROXIMITY OF OTHER HIGH INTENSITY ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE ASHLAND ROAD CORRIDOR.
THIS IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO AGAIN, I HAVE ALREADY TOUCHED ON A LOT OF THIS, BUT AGAIN, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S TRYING TO AGGREGATE OUR MAJOR DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH, ESPECIALLY ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE NEAR OUR INTERCHANGES, WHICH, UM, THIS APPLICANT AND THAT'S WHERE THEIR LOCATION IS PROPOSED TO BE.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD FOR CRESCENT COMMUNITIES ON MARCH 21ST, 2020 360.
PEOPLE WERE IN ATTENDANCE CONCERNS WERE OVERWHELMINGLY CENTERED ON TRAFFIC, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THE ASHLAND ROAD CORRIDOR.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT'S BEEN A NUMBER ONE TRANSPORTATION PRIORITY FOR THE COUNTY FOR QUITE SOME TIME UP UNTIL WE WERE RECENTLY FULLY FUNDED FOR THE DIVERGENT DIAMOND INTERCHANGE ON ASHLAND ROAD.
UM, PUBLIC SAFETY WAS, UM, AN INQUIRY THAT WE ALSO HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON, YOU KNOW, WOULD THAT BE DELAYED? UM, AND JUST OVERALL ACCESSIBILITY AND OTHER CONCERNS JUST ON THE IMPACT TO ADJACENT RESIDENTS.
UM, THE LACK OF BUFFERING TRAFFIC IMPACTS NOISE AND LIGHT.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID HEAR THIS APPLICATION AT ITS JULY 6TH PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A THREE TWO VOTE.
THREE CITIZENS SPOKE IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST, NOTING CONCERNS WITH TRAFFIC NOISE AND BUFFERS.
UM, AND I WILL NOTE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ARE CENTERED AROUND NOT HAVING FURTHER DEVELOPMENT UNTIL THE ACTUAL DIVERSION DIAMOND INTERCHANGE, UM, IS IMPLEMENTED.
SO, GOING BACK AGAIN TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO I TOUCHED ON IT EARLIER, BUT I'LL REINFORCE IT AGAIN.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH ENCOURAGES THE INDUSTRIAL GROWTH NEAR OUR INTERCHANGES AND OUR DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS.
UM, THIS FITS THE, UM, TARGETED INDUSTRIES THAT THE COUNTY HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT OF WHAT FITS.
I WILL SAY THAT THESE TARGETED INDUSTRIES FOR MANUFACTURING, DISTRIBUTION AND LOGISTICS, UM, THE REASON THAT THERE ARE TARGET INDUSTRY FOR THE COUNTY IS WHERE WE'RE LOCATED WITH REGARDS TO, UM, OUR INTERSTATE CONNECTIVITY.
UM, AND IT REALLY PUTS YOU WITHIN 500 MILES OF, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE EAST COAST AND THE MIDWEST.
UM, AND THEN ALSO OUR WORKFORCE.
WE HAVE A STRONG WORKFORCE HERE WITHIN THE, UM, IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
ONE, NOT JUST WITH THE COUNTY, BUT THE GREATER RICHMOND REGION AND THAT OVERALL ACCESSIBILITY TO WORKFORCE.
UM, SO ALSO WE'VE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE TOUCHED ON THIS, BUT TO ACTUALLY QUANTIFY IT, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS LOST SEVEN PROJECTS IN THE LAST YEAR DUE TO LACK OF AVAILABLE SPACE OF THIS NATURE THAT IS THAT LARGER SPECULATIVE SPACE THAT HAS THAT FLEXIBILITY.
AND V E D P, VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP HAS WORKED 99 PROJECTS IN THE LAST YEAR THAT REQUIRED BUILDINGS OF 150,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
SO IT'S TRYING TO FIND THAT NICHE MARKET, RIGHT? AND NONE OF THESE PROJECTS CONSIDERED GLAND COUNTY DUE TO LACK OF AVAILABLE SPACE.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE MISSING OUT ON OPPORTUNITY FOR CAPITAL INVESTMENT EMPLOYMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PREVAILING WAGE JOBS THAT ARE, ARE WELL ABOVE THAT.
AND ALSO TOO, YOU KNOW, AS WE HAVE INVESTMENT INTO OUR TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT, I ALSO DON'T THINK WE TOUCH ON THIS ENOUGH THAT THE MORE INVESTMENT WE HAVE INTO THAT SERVICE DISTRICT, THE MORE IT HELPS OUR LOCALITY REIGN IN THAT LOOMING DEBT AND BRING IT DOWN AS FAR AS THE YEARS THAT REMAIN IN, UM, SERVICE AS FAR AS AD VALOREM THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE PAYING.
SO, AGAIN, JUST WANNA STRESS THAT.
SO JUST SOME DETAILS ABOUT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL.
AGAIN, THEY'RE SEEKING TO REZONE TO DEVELOP THAT SPECULATIVE SPEC INDUSTRIAL USE TO INCLUDE LIGHT TO MEDIUM MANUFACTURING WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION USE.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT LIGHT TO MEDIUM MANUFACTURING, THAT'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT CLEAN MANUFACTURING, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, UM, IN THEIR PROPOSAL OR IN THEIR PRIOR PROJECTS, THERE'S NOTHING THAT INVOLVES SMOKE STACKS OR OUTSIDE
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PRODUCTION OR ANYTHING.EVERYTHING IS WITHIN THE BUILDING.
AGAIN, THE SPEC BUILDING, BUT IT'S DESIGNED TO BE CONTAINED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE END USERS THAT, UM, CRESCENT ACQUISITIONS HAS PUT IN IN PRIOR DEVELOPMENTS, THEY ARE WITHIN THE, UM, BUILDINGS.
AND SO AGAIN, UM, THE INTENT IS THAT THEY WILL ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT, UM, TWO BUILDINGS, UM, TOTALING ABOUT 335,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, WHICH WILL ALSO HAVE PARKING AND LOADING DOCKS AS WELL.
THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THERE ARE BUFFERS, UM, THAT WILL BE 30 FOOT BUFFERS, UM, TWO TREE SAFE OR PRESERVATION AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING.
SO AGAIN, THIS SITE, UM, IF THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED AND THE DEVELOPMENT MOVES FORWARD, UM, PART OF, UH, THEIR COMMITMENT IS THEY'RE NOT GONNA JUST STRAIGHT CLEAR CUT THAT SITE, RIGHT.
UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A STORMWATER POND RIGHT OF WAY 62 FEET FROM THE CENTER LINE OF ASHLAND ROAD, WHICH DOES HELP TO FIT THE COUNTY'S LONG-TERM GOAL OF, UM, AS WE WORK TO SEE, UM, THE INCREASED TRAFFIC OR OUR EXPANSION OF COMMERCIAL OR OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THAT CORRIDOR, OUR GOALS OF EVENTUALLY LOOKING AT HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO SEEK THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG ASHLAND ROAD, WHETHER THAT'S A WIDENING OF THE ROAD, WHETHER THAT'S SHOULDER IMPROVEMENTS, OTHER THINGS.
SO THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS IMPORTANT.
UM, THERE'S TURN LANES AS WELL AS TRAILER STORAGE AREA.
SO WITH REGARDS TO TRANSPORTATION, UM, THE TRAFFIC TO IMPACT ANALYSIS ACCOUNTED FOR PROJECT ROCKY TRAFFIC AND EXPECTED IMPACTS, UM, THEY WILL INSTALL LEFT TURN LANE AT BOTH ENTRANCES, BUT IT DOES NOT RECOMMEND A RIGHT TURN LANE AT EITHER ENTRANCE.
AND THAT WAS THROUGH THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE.
THEY ARE PROFFERING SOME SPECIFIC TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, A LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES AT BOTH ENTRANCES SIGNAL.
THEY ARE ALSO GOING TO BE DOING A SIGNAL TIMING STUDY FOR THE SIGNAL AT POUNCEY TRACK, ASHLAND ROAD INTERSECTION.
UM, AND SO WHAT THAT'S REALLY LOOKING AT IS HOW THAT TRAFFIC BACKS UP OR QUEUES, UM, AT AM AND PM HOURS AND JUST THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
UM, AND, AND THAT WILL NOT ONLY HELP GLAND, IT'LL ALSO HELP HENRICO AND HANOVER AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT, THAT, THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR IS USED BY A MULTITUDE OF JURISDICTIONS JUST AS A, UM, UH, MAJOR THROUGH FARE ONCE COMPLETED THAT, UM, SIGNAL TIMING STUDY, THE COUNTY WILL REVIEW THAT AND SUBMIT IT TO VDOT FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S OUR THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, RETIMING WILL BE SOMETHING THAT IS RECOMMENDED AND WARRANTED AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH VDOT TO THEN GET THAT SIGNAL RETIMING DONE.
AND SO ONTO AGAIN, UM, THE MAJOR TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS CITED AS, YOU KNOW, A CONCERN NOT HAVING THAT IN PLACE AND KIND OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AS A COUNTY FOR OUR NUMBER ONE TRANSPORTATION, UM, UH, PRIORITY.
SO THE DIVERGENT DIAMOND INTERCHANGE WAS FULLY FUNDED, UM, AS OF JUNE THROUGH THE SMART SCALE PROGRAM WITH $42 MILLION APPROPRIATED TO IT.
IT ALSO HAS C V T A, UM, REGIONAL FUNDS WITH IT AS WELL, AND THE COUNTY'S ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING 400,000 LOCAL DOLLARS.
SO IT'S NOT A BAD DEAL TECHNICALLY WHEN YOU THINK OF THE LOCAL DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF COUNTY COFFER.
UM, THE ASHLAND ROAD D D I SCHEDULE HAS ACTUALLY BUMPED UP 18 MONTHS PER MEETING THAT I, MYSELF AND OUR TRANSPORTATION MANAGER HAD WITH OUR VDOT STAFF AT THE ASHLAND RESIDENCY ON THE SEC SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN ON JULY 13TH.
UM, SO BY SAYING THAT, I JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE SOME OF THE MAJOR MILESTONES THAT ARE NOW MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DIVERGENT DIAMOND INTERCHANGE, THE STANDARD PROJECT AGREEMENT, UM, WHICH IS KIND OF YOUR, UH, PROJECT DOCUMENT OF WHO DOES WHAT, WHO, HOW, AND WHEN THAT VDOT ENTERS INTO IS BEING PREPARED BY VDOT.
NOW, THAT WILL ACTUALLY GO TO CVTS TAC, THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF STAFF FROM OTHER LOCALITIES THIS MONTH.
AND THEN THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, IT WILL ALSO GO TO THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD, THE C T B FOR ACTION TO THEN ALLOW FOR AUTHORIZATION OF THOSE FULL PE FUNDS, UM, IN EITHER OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER.
AND WHY I WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT IS WE CURRENTLY HAVE UPFRONT IN FY UM, 24 5 $0.3 MILLION IN THE SMART SCALE SIX YEAR PLAN THAT WE CAN START DRAWING DOWN, RIGHT? SO VDOT FUNDS IN A SIX YEAR KIND OF LAYOUT.
SO THERE, THERE'S MONEY NOT ALL THE WAY IN YEAR SIX, THERE'S MONEY.
SO WE CAN START DOING THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AND THE NECESSARY WORK AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER AFFILIATED FUNCTIONS.
UM, THE INTERCHANGE ACCESS REPORT, WHICH IS A PRELIMINARY STEP TO REALLY GETTING YOUR, YOU KNOW, FEET, UM, WET WITH THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, UM, IS EVALUATING THE CONDITIONS WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR AND DESIGN NEEDS.
FOR INSTANCE, IF WE GO TO DESIGN BUILD OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO A FULL, UM, DESIGN AND ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED, IT WILL ACTUALLY YIELD
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A 10% DESIGN.THIS IS A FEDERAL HIGHWAY REQUIREMENT, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY NOW EXPECTING COMPLETION OF THE INTERCHANGE ACCESS REPORT JANUARY OF 2024.
UM, THE SCOPING FOR THIS PROJECT IS, UM, GOING TO BE COMPLETED IN APRIL OF 2024.
WE'LL FINISH THE INTERCHANGE ACCESS REPORT IN JANUARY, APRIL.
VDOT WILL COMPLETE ITS SCOPING, AND THE SCOPING IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, AND THAT, THAT IS WHEN VDOT SETS ALL OF ITS MAJOR MILESTONES, RIGHT? THE PROJECT'S SCHEDULES DETERMINE WHEN THE PROJECT'S GONNA GO OUT TO BID, WHEN THE SHOVELS ARE SUPPOSED TO GO, SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE GROUND WHEN THE SHOVELS ARE SUPPOSED TO COME OUT OF THE GROUND.
UM, SO THAT'S, UM, WILL BE COMING IN APRIL OF 2024, SO THAT'S REALLY NOT THAT FAR AWAY.
UM, AND OUR PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING IS SLATED TO OFFICIALLY COMMENCE, UM, EARLY TO MID 2024.
UM, SO JUST WANTED TO COVER THAT.
UM, AND SO THERE'S ALSO SOME INTERIM IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY VDOT FOR THE ASHLAND ROAD CORRIDOR.
WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THE FULL CONSTRUCTION OF THE DIVERGENT DIAMOND INTERCHANGE, THERE'S GONNA BE A SIGNAL IN ASHTON ROAD AND I 64 EASTBOUND RAMPS, AND THERE'LL ALSO BE A DEDICATED LANE TO WESTBOUND, UM, I 64 RAMP, SO THAT THAT'LL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT CONGESTION.
AND AGAIN, IT'LL ALSO HELP WITH SOME OF THAT SPEEDING AND BETTER QUEUING OF TRAFFIC.
SO WANNA GO OVER SOME OF THE PROFFERS.
SO AGAIN, THEY'RE GONNA PROFFER THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THEY'RE GONNA PROFFER THAT NATURAL PRESERVATION AREA, UM, THAT I TALKED ABOUT, THE TREE SAVE AREA AND LANDSCAPING, AND A FENCE ON THE NORTHERN PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS TO INCLUDE THE RIGHT OF WAY, DEDICATION OF THE 62 FEET THAT I MENTIONED FROM THE CENTER LINE OF ASHLAND ROAD, UM, TURN LANES AS REQUIRED AT PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHILE WE'RE SAYING TURN LANES AS REQUIRED AT PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD AND IS FULLY FLESHED OUT, UM, WE MAY FIND THAT MAYBE IT'S JUST, UM, A TAPER THAT'S NEEDED.
YOU KNOW, JUST AGAIN, THAT'S SEMANTICS THAT GET INTO EMPIRICAL CALCULATIONS THAT ARE FULLY FLESHED OUT THROUGH DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UM, A SIGNAL TIMING STUDY THAT WILL BE DONE, UM, FOR THAT INTERSECTION OF ASHLAND AND PCY TRACK ROADS.
AND JUST AT THIS TIME, THE STAFF'S COMMENTS ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
I TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER THIS EVENING WITH THE OTHER CA A DIFFERENT CASE.
UM, THAT'S A BEST PRACTICE THAT WE TRY TO STRIVE FOR AS A PLANNER, UM, IN OUR PLANNING EFFORTS.
UM, HOWEVER, THIS SITE WILL BE SERVED BY A PRIVATE DRIVE, SO THERE IS NOT DIRECT ACCESS WITHIN THE PROPOSAL PROVIDED TO ADJACENT SITES.
I WILL SAY THOUGH THAT THE ADJACENT SITE THAT IS OWNED, UM, I BELIEVE IT IS AGRICULTURAL, UM, THE OWNER OF THAT SITE DID NOT INDICATE THEIR DESIRE OR WANT, PER SE, FOR AN ACCESS EASEMENT OR ACCESS.
AND THEY AT DID SAY THAT THEIR INTENT WAS NOT TO HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THEIR PROPERTY.
BUT AGAIN, WE DID, UM, LOOK INTO THAT AVENUE AND ASK.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THEY ARE, UM, PROFFERING SOME PROHIBITED USES BECAUSE THIS IS A SPEC BUILDING SPACE AND THE IDEA OF PROFFERING SOME PROHIBITED USES, UM, OUT OF THEIR INDUSTRIAL CAPACITY IS REALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT AN OVERLY NOXIOUS DEVELOPMENT.
RIGHT? SO NO AIRPORT, NO ASPHALT MIXING PLANT, UM, NO COMPOSTING FACILITY, DE DEBRIS, LANDFILL JUNK STORAGE, UM, PETROLEUM STORAGE, PUBLIC ASSEMBLY USES SAND AND GRAVEL PIT OR QUARRY.
I MEAN, THERE'S ONE JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE MARKET DEMAND WOULD REALLY NECESSITATE THAT ANIMAL SHELTER, GAS STATION, KENNEL, TAXI SERVICE AND LIMOUSINE SERVICE, AND A VETERINARIAN HOSPITAL.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF BEFORE YOU CALL UP THE APPLICANT? MS. LASLOW? UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO, UH, MS. ES ON, ON SLIDE 64, UM, IT, I THINK IT'S SHOWING 2025 AND YOU'RE SAYING 2024 PRES SCOPING TO BE COMPLETED APRIL, 2025? YES, MA'AM.
THAT, UH, PRES SCOPING WILL BE COMPLETED APRIL 11TH, 2024.
THAT IS A TYPO ON THE SLIDE AND I DO APOLOGIZE.
APRIL 11TH, 2024 WAS THE EXACT DATE I WAS PROVIDED.
CAN YOU GIVE US A TIME?
I'M JUST HAPPY WE GOT A MONTH AND A YEAR, BUT I'M JUST GRACIOUS FOR THE DATE AS WELL.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S FABULOUS.
ONE OF THE PROJECTS IN, ITS SEPARATE, I GUESS FROM THE DIVINE, UH, THE DIAMOND IS MOVING THE PARK AND RIDE TO THE SOUTH SIDE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A BUNCH OF TIMES AND SO CAN YOU, THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US, UM, THAT'S GONNA HELP THAT INTERSECTION SOME I I DO BELIEVE.
UM, DO WE HAVE, TELL ME AGAIN WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS, MA'AM? YES, MA'AM.
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THE HICKORY HAVEN PARK AND RIDE, UM, IS FULLY FUNDED NOW AT $7.1 MILLION.UM, THIS WILL BE FULLY BUILT OUT DOUBLING THE CURRENT CAPACITY TO OVER 200 PLUS SPACES.
SO ONE THAT WILL ALLEVIATE, UM, SOME OVERALL TRAFFIC AND HOPEFULLY COMMUTER TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT'S A PARK AND RIDE AND ALSO TWO, UM, THERE'S THE ABILITY FOR FOLKS TO PARK THERE AND SERVE A VARIETY OF NEEDS.
UM, THE SCOPING FOR THAT PROJECT IS SET TO BEGIN AUGUST SLASH SEPTEMBER OF 2023, SO IT ISN'T ACTIVELY UNDERWAY.
SO THAT SCOPING, AS I MENTIONED, THAT'S WHERE VDOT STARTS BEGINNING, UM, IRONING OUT AND IDENTIFYING THE DATES FOR ALL OF THEIR MILESTONES.
SO WE WILL KNOW, UM, MORE IN SEPTEMBER, ALL THOSE CRITICAL PATH MILESTONES, BUT IT'S FULLY FUNDED.
SO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS 43 ACRES ISH? YES.
UM, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING 28 ISH OF THAT, THE REMAINING 15 OR SO ACRES IS NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THAT WOULD REMAINS THE SAME ZONING NOT CHANGING THE ZONING? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN THERE, WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK HERE FOR THAT PIECE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
AND UM, AGAIN, THAT IS A CHALLENGING SHAPE.
WE GOT A LITTLE FLORIDA HERE IN GLAND.
YEAH, IT FEELS LIKE IT THESE DAYS TOO.
UM, MS. AN ICE, COULD YOU GO TO SLIDE 60 I THINK? OH, WE HAVE NUMBERS ON SOME AND NOW THEY'RE NOT ON YEAH, THIS ONE.
UM, OKAY, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
UM, IN THE LAST PRESENTATION WE SAID WE LOST FIVE IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
THIS SAYS SEVEN IN THE LAST YEAR.
STILL THE SAME SAMPLE SET? UH, NO SIR.
THESE ARE DIFFERENT SAMPLE SETS.
THE LAST PRESENTATION WAS FOCUSED ON A SMALLER, MORE SPECIALIZED SPACE FOR INDUSTRIAL.
THIS IS LOOKING AT YOUR LARGER SPECULATIVE OR JUST LARGER INDUSTRIAL OUTFIT SPACES.
SO THAT'S ADDED TYPICALLY AT A LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE THRESHOLD.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 150,000 SQUARE FEET, A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET UP.
SO IT'S ADDITIVE, IT'S NOT A SUBSET OF A CORRECT.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, AND THIS MR. SPOONER MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, ADD SOME DETAIL GIVEN HIS WORK ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE.
UM, COULD YOU GIVE US A LITTLE MORE COLOR AND DETAIL ON HOW MUCH COOPERATION WE GOT FROM TRANSPORTATION? UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S THE RIGHT TERM.
TRANSPORTATION AGENCIES THAT WE PARTNER WITH AND WE WORK SO CLOSELY WITH AND SPEND TONS OF TIME DOING THAT WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE EVEN DONE A LITTLE BIT OVER THE LAST 10 MONTHS, BUT I KNOW MR. SAUER HAS DONE COUNTLESS HOURS OF IT.
UM, SO WHAT I WILL SAY IS THERE HAS BEEN, UM, A LOT OF EFFORT WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH VDOT, OUR ASHLAND RESIDENCY AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT OFFICE AND EVEN CENTRAL OFFICE AND THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD REPRESENTATIVE, UM, MR. BROWN WHO JUST ROTATED OFF AND REALLY TRYING TO CREATE A PATH FORWARD FOR THE DIVERGENT DIAMOND INTERCHANGE BECAUSE NOT ONLY HAS IT BEEN OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY BECAUSE OF PROJECT ROCKY, IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN A NEEDED PRIORITY SINCE 2018.
THERE'S BEEN STUDIES THAT IDENTIFIED THAT INTERCHANGE NEEDING A MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT SINCE 2018.
AND I WILL ALSO SAY WHEN WE WORKED TO IDENTIFY THE IMPACT OR THE NEED OR INVESTMENT, UM, COMING INTO THAT CORRIDOR, THAT ALSO NECESSITATES THIS LEVEL OF IMPROVEMENT.
WE CAPTURED, UM, THE POTENTIAL, UM, IMPACT OF CRESCENT COMMUNITIES IN THAT.
SO IT WASN'T JUST THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT STANDALONE OF PROJECT ROCKY, IT WAS CRESCENT COMMUNITIES AND WHAT THAT MAY ENTAIL, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT THAT IS AN EMERGING INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR WITH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OVER 200 EXISTING BUSINESSES AND, UM, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE REGULARLY FIELDS QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, INTERESTED FOLKS ABOUT THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, AND SO IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THE CRESCENT PROJECT IS A TIPPING POINT IN THE VDOT THE, THE MASSIVE FUNDING WE GOT FOR THE DIVERGENT DIAMOND AND I MEAN, AND MOVED EVERY, WE GOT IT MOVED FORWARD 18 MONTHS DUE TO THE INCREASED NEED, CORRECT? I I WOULDN'T SAY THAT.
I WOULD SAY IT WAS AN AGGREGATE NEED OF OVERALL INVESTMENT OVERALL, UM, TRIPS THAT WOULD BE GENERATED AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS UNDEVELOPED INDUSTRIAL LAND AND THE EXISTING 200
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BUSINESSES.I I THINK WHAT IT DID WAS TO HIGHLIGHT THE, THE FEELING THAT THIS IS AN, AN A CORRIDOR THAT IS GOING TO DEVELOP AND THAT WE NEED TO DEVELOP SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
SO AFTER OUR EARLIER EXPERIENCE WITH M ONE M TWO AND USES AND ALL THAT, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, PROHIBITED USES.
CAN THE APPLICANT, UM, PUT AN AUTOMOBILE STORAGE LOT ON THIS PROPERTY? I'LL DEFER TO OUR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
MS. SHERRY AND I, I DON'T MEAN I, I'LL LET ME, I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP, BUT THAT IS A PERMITTED USE IN M ONE BY, RIGHT.
SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT PLAN AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT'S NOT IN THE LIST OF PROHIBITED USES.
SO I, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT'S A POTENTIAL USE IF WE APPROVE THIS APPLICATION.
SO, UM, SINCE IT IS NOT A PROHIBITED USE, POTENTIALLY IT COULD BE, UM, THERE IS, UM, RESTRICTED BY THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS WELL.
UM, DOES THAT HELP AT ALL? WELL, I WAS LOOKING AT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, AND AGAIN, NOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCOPE OF HOW THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO THE, UM, AREA THAT IS SHOWN, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS LIKE OVERFLOW TRUCKS AND TRAILERS ON THE BACK PART OF THE, OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO THAT DOESN'T IMPLY LIKE OUTDOOR STORAGE OF, UM, OF VEHICLES.
SO I THINK BASED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD NOT BE LIKELY, IT, IT WOULDN'T, WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
IF I MAY, THE TRUCK STORAGE AREA THAT IS REFERENCED IN THE CONCEPTUAL, THAT'S FOR, UM, VEHICLES THAT MAY HAVE TO PARK OVERNIGHT OR SHORT TERM AS THEY'RE LOADING OR UNLOADING.
IT'S NOT DESIGNATED TO BE A LONG TERM STORAGE FACILITY.
UM, A LOT FOR SALES OR REPAIRS OR DISARRAY, UM, TRUCKS, VEHICLES.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES STAFF, IF IT'S A PERMITTED USE IN M ONE AND THEY DIDN'T EXCLUDE IT, YOU'RE SAYING YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THIS APPLICATION IS THE CONCEPT PLAN WOULD PREVENT IT, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
SO IT'S A TRAILER STORAGE AREA FOR THOSE, UM, TRUCKS THAT MAY HAVE HALLS AND OTHER THINGS.
SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT EVEN SO MUCH, UM, THE VEHICLE ITSELF, IT'S THOSE TRAILERS, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU, UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT INTENDED THIS AS A 24 7 OPERATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT MAY, UM, ARRIVE AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S GOTTA SIT IN THE STORAGE AREA TILL EMPLOYEES ARRIVE IN THE MORNING AND THEN THEY CAN WORK TO UNLOAD IT.
I THINK WE'RE READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IF THERE'D LIKE TO PRESENT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH WILLIAM MULLEN APPEARING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, CRESCENT ACQUISITIONS, L L C, UH, KNOWN, UH, COLLOQUIALLY AS CRESCENT COMMUNITIES.
AND I'M JOINED BY, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF CRESCENT, BRIAN LYTHE, WHO'S WITH US THIS EVENING, AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES OF KIMBERLY HORN, WHO ARE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.
AND TO THE EXTENT, UH, IT WOULD BE THE BOARD'S PLEASURE TO MORE DEEPLY EXPLORE THE T I A THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND ITS RECOMMENDATIONS, IT'D BE, UH, UH, WE CERTAINLY WILL MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO GET THOSE DETAILED QUESTIONS UH, ANSWERED.
UM, I WILL, UH, MOVE QUICKLY NOTING THE LATE HOUR OF THE EVENING AND BE SURE NOT TO, UH, REPEAT ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HEARD FROM THAT VERY DETAILED AND THOROUGH PRESENTATION BY STAFF, WHICH WE APPRECIATE.
UM, BUT I DO WANNA AMPLIFY A FEW CONCEPTS THAT THEY ALLUDED TO.
UH, CRESCENT BROUGHT THIS PROJECT TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT ILLUSTRATES WHERE IT WANTS TO DEVELOP ITS COMMERCIAL BASE.
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ASSET TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF UCHIN THAT'S LOOKING TO DRIVE INVESTMENT HERE.
THEY LOOK TO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS THE GUIDE, AS THE BLUEPRINT THAT OFFERS INSIGHT AS TO WHAT AREAS OF THE COUNTY ARE PRIME FOR GROWTH.
AND THAT ALSO HAS VERY IMPORTANT IMPLICATIONS FOR THE TAXPAYER BECAUSE TYPICALLY AND VERY SMARTLY, THE COUNTY HAS LOOKED AT ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DEVELOPED IT IN WAYS THAT FOCUS INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT IN THOSE AREAS, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE GROWTH GOING IN PLACES THAT THEN REQUIRE PUBLIC INVESTMENTS AT TAX DOLLAR, AT THE PUBLIC'S TAX EXPENSE TO THEN, UH, CONSTRUCT THE,
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UH, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED TO SERVE THAT GROWTH AND THAT DEVELOPMENT.AND SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE FIRST START FOR ANY GROUP LIKE CRESCENT THAT'S LOOKING TO TRY AND INCREASE, UH, TO USE A TERM THAT WAS MADE IN THE STAFF PRESENTATION TO ADD ANOTHER TOOL IN THE COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLBOX.
AND SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT CRESCENT IS SEEKING TO DO HERE IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, THAT THE IMPLICATIONS FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED.
BUT I DO WANNA AMPLIFY TOO THAT WERE MENTIONED, THE DIVERGING DIAMOND INTERCHANGE AT I 64, CLEARLY ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL PRIORITIES OF THE COUNTY.
UM, AND THE REASON THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS APPLICATION IS BECAUSE WE WERE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, REVIEWING DEPARTMENTS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF FILING AN APPLICATION BEFORE THE FULL FUNDING ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE.
BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HELD BACK AND DID NOT ALLOW A PROJECT PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL THE PUBLIC HAD CONFIDENCE THAT THAT FUNDING WAS IN PLACE.
AND THAT HELP WAS ON THE WAY FOR THIS QUARTER, BECAUSE WHILE IT MAY BE IDENTIFIED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF THERE IS AN ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THESE KINDS OF INVESTMENTS, THEN WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A VERY JUSTIFIABLE REASON TO EXPRESS SOME CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S A MISALIGNMENT BETWEEN THOSE THINGS.
WE'VE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH THE COUNTY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, WE CAN HELP ALIGN THE TIMING OF THIS PROJECT WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE COMING.
AND AS YOU HEARD FROM THE DETAIL PRESENTED BY YOUR STAFF, THERE ARE ALREADY, UH, PROCESSES IN PLACE TO BEGIN TO IMPLEMENT THE PLANNING FOR THAT MAJOR IMPROVEMENT AS WELL AS OTHER IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS QUARTER THAT ARE BEING DRIVEN BY PROJECT ROCKY.
AND I'LL ALSO NOTE AS AN ASIDE THAT, UH, KIMLEY HORNE, WHICH WORKED ON THIS PROJECT AND THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS WAS ALSO THE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER ON THAT PROJECT, WHICH WE DIDN'T INTENTIONALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THAT TRAFFIC DATA.
AND WE'RE PROJECTING WHAT THE ENTIRE IMPACT ON THIS CORRIDOR WOULD BE, NOT JUST FROM THIS PROJECT, BUT FROM ALL APPROVED PROJECTS, UH, THAT ARE COMING FORWARD TO LOOK AT THE CONCEPT PLAN.
THIS IS SLIGHTLY, UH, BLOWN UP A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN WHAT YOU RECEIVED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
AND SO I'LL PAUSE HERE FOR AMENDMENT TO HIGHLIGHT THE AREAS THAT WERE DESCRIBED.
UM, THE PROFFERS, AS WERE INDICATED TO YOU IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, ARE OUR MEANS, THE APPLICANT'S MEANS OF TRYING TO MITIGATE THE POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND SO THE REASON THAT WE PICKED THE PROFFERS THAT WE DID ARE BASED ON THE UNIQUE CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE AND THE UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PROPOSED HERE.
THOSE ARE ALL VERY INTENTIONAL AND TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE SPECIFICALLY OUR PROFFERS LIMIT USES THAT ARE INCONSISTENT WITH, UH, ADJACENT USES IN THE AREA.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN PROMISED IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN HERE.
THE REASON THAT WE SOUGHT M TWO IS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE ABILITY FOR THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, BUT WE DIDN'T NEED ANY OF THE OTHER INTENSE USES THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ALLOWED BY THE TABLE OF USES.
SO WE SPECIFICALLY PROFFERED THEM OUT.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE NO INTENT OF PUTTING IN A, UH, CAR STORAGE LOT, AND I WAS PLEASED WITH THE RESPONSE FROM STAFF THAT THEY VIEW OUR PROFFER OF THE CONCEPT PLAN, UH, TO PROHIBIT THAT USE.
THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT AND, AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING THE ANSWER.
UM, SIMILARLY, A SECOND CATEGORY OF PROFFERS HAS TO DO WITH ENHANCED BUFFER REQUIREMENTS.
YOU'LL SEE THE, UH, TREE PRESERVATION AREA THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE STAFF REPORT AT, UH, THE LOWER PORTION OF THE PLAN, AS WELL AS AT THE FAR LEFT THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE AREAS THAT ARE, UH, CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL USE AS WELL AS THE B M P, UH, AT THE LOW POINT OF THE PROPERTY AT THE, UH, WHAT'S THE TOP PORTION OF THE PLAN ON YOUR SCREEN, UH, AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL AREA THAT HAS ENHANCED LANDSCAPING BEYOND THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT WOULD BE SET FORTH IN THE CODE.
AND FINALLY, UH, THE PLAN CALLS FOR ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE EVEN BEYOND WHAT WAS, UH, CALLED FOR AS WARRANTED IN THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS PREPARED AND REVIEWED BY STAFF AND THAT WE'VE, UH, DISCUSSED WITH, UH, THE ENGINEERING EXPERTS AT THE COUNTY.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT THOSE, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL HELP TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT THAT THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE ON, UH, ACCESS MANAGEMENT AT THIS SITE.
A QUESTION WAS RAISED IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT ACCESS.
THIS IS A VERY, VERY NARROW SITE, AND IN ORDER TO GET THE BUILDING SIZE THAT WE NEED, WE AREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE FULL ACCESS, PUBLIC ACCESS IN A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT WOULD ALLOW ACCESS TO PROPERTIES TO THE REAR.
UM, FORTUNATELY THAT PROPERTY ENTER IS NOT LOOKING FOR INTERCONNECTIVITY HERE, AND SO IT APPEARS TO BE A MOOT POINT, BUT WE WANTED TO OFFER ADDITIONAL CONTEXT FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION, UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS A PRIORITY THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED IN OTHER CONTEXTS.
UM, THE PROPOSED USE HAS BEEN MENTIONED, BUT, UH, JUST FOR THE BOARD'S UNDERSTANDING, TWO BUILDINGS HERE, WHILE THEY ARE OF SIGNIFICANT SCALE, THEY ARE FLEXIBLE, MEANING THAT YOU COULD HAVE ONE LARGE TENANT TAKE THE ENTIRETY OF THE BUILDING OR YOU COULD HAVE A SERIES OF SMALLER TENANTS TAKE THE BUILDING.
IT'S ONE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE A RANGE OF ECONOMIC USES, A RANGE OF BUSINESS TYPES AND EXISTING RESIDENTS, BUSINESS
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RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS FUTURE, UH, COMMERCIAL USERS WHO WANNA MAKE GLAND THEIR HOME BUT DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO DUE TO LIMITED AVAILABILITY.2075 TRUCK DOCKS ARE SHOWN ON THE, UH, PLAN 53 TRUCK TRAILER PARKING SPACES AND WELL OVER 300 EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACES CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE.
UM, WE MENTIONED THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
THESE ARE SOME RENDERINGS OF SIMILAR FACILITIES THAT, UH, CRESCENT HAS DONE ELSEWHERE IN THEIR FOOTPRINT JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA OF THE ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY AND WHAT THE COUNTY CAN EXPECT IN THIS LOCATION.
AND THEN FINALLY, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE THIS IS POSITIONED AS SPECULATIVE SPACE THAT'S DONE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET DEMANDS.
THE SPEED TO DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT COMMERCIAL USERS ARE LOOKING FOR.
THEY WILL NOT COME TO A COUNTY UNLESS THEY KNOW THAT IT'S READY.
THIS DECISION BY THE BOARD TONIGHT IS A VERY IMPORTANT PREREQUISITE TO GETTING THE USERS THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT, THE THE TAX DOLLARS AND COMMERCIAL REVENUE THAT THE COUNTY IS LOOKING FOR, AS WAS DESCRIBED BY MR. SPOON HOWER DURING AN EARLIER PRESENTATION.
UM, AND THESE ARE THE USERS THAT CRESCENT IS LOOKING TO BRING TO THIS SITE IN ORDER TO HELP DO THAT.
THESE ARE ILLUSTRATIVE, THERE ARE NOT, UH, LETTERS OF INTENT OR ANY LEASE SIGNED BY ANY OF THESE, BUT THEY JUST OFFER SOME COLOR AND CONTEXT FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND SO THAT YOU MAY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AT THIS SITE.
AND THEN FINALLY, YOU HEARD A BIT DURING THE STAFF PRESENTATION, BUT I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I EMBELLISH THE ECONOMIC IMPACT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT IS ALL ABOUT.
UH, APPROXIMATELY $60 MILLION IN, UH, INVESTMENT IS PREDICTED, UH, 40 MILLION FOR THE SITE IN THE SHELL, AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL 20 MILLION FOR THE TENANT FIT UP, REDUCING THAT TO WHAT'S THE UPSIDE FOR THE COUNTY THAT'S CLOSE TO $200,000 IN, UH, ANNUALLY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR THE TUCKO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
WE KNOW THAT THAT'S A PRIORITY FOR THE FISCAL HEALTH OF THE COUNTY, AND WE'RE PLEASED THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT 'CAUSE OF ITS LOCATION IN THIS CORRIDOR WILL HELP SUPPORT THOSE OBJECTIVES.
AN ADDITIONAL 318,000 FOR THE GENERAL FUND ANNUALLY, UH, BUILDING PERMITS AND CONNECTION FEES WITH OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND, UH, NO INCENTIVES ARE REQUESTED.
IF WE WERE BRINGING TO YOU A TENANT AND PROMISING A CERTAIN NUMBER OF JOBS, THEN WE'D PROBABLY BE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM ABOUT WHAT COULD BE ARRANGED TO HELP PROVIDE SOME INCENTIVES HERE.
BUT THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A SPECULATIVE DEVELOPMENT AND AS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AT POSITIONS THE COUNTY FOR YOUR ECONOMIC EXPANSION GOALS AS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED.
SO I'LL PAUSE THERE AND WELCOME YOUR QUESTIONS.
UH, AND AS I'VE MENTIONED, UH, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM HERE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL EXPERTISE IF REQUIRED.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, THANK YOU.
FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I LIVE AT 7 2 2 3 SHEFIELD AVENUE, GLEN ALLEN.
AND I WANNA GIVE MY TIME TO STEVE LEVITT, PLEASE.
MY NAME IS STEVE LEVITT AND I STILL LIVE AT 70 36 BEN HALL CIRCLE.
UM, I STAND BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, VERY DISCOURAGED BECAUSE I FEEL THAT YOU'RE GONNA APPROVE THIS PROPOSAL REGARDLESS OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WOULD HOWEVER, LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW WHY I BELIEVE IT SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED AND THEN PIVOT WITH A SUGGESTION IF I MAY.
THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION EVERYONE SHOULD BE ASKING IS, WHAT WILL THIS PROJECT DO TO TRAFFIC KIMLEY HORN'S ANALYSIS PROJECTS A LINEAR TRAFFIC GROWTH OF 2% PER ANNUM AT 1,801 TRIPS PER DAY FROM CRESCENT COMMUNITIES, AND THEY'D HAVE YOU BELIEVE IT'S INCONSEQUENTIAL IT.
2019 VDOT ESTIMATED THAT THE DAILY TRAFFIC VOLUME FROM THE HANOVER LINE TO I 64 WAS 7,000 VEHICLES.
UM, 1,801 TRIPS PER DAY GENERATED BY CRESCENT COMMUNITIES REPRESENTS A NEARLY 25% INCREASE IN TODAY'S TRAFFIC.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ADD THE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY ROCKY KIMLEY? HORNE WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN ROCKY INTO ACCOUNT, HOWEVER, NOWHERE IN THEIR T I A ARE THEY INDICATING A TRAFFIC VOLUME ON ASHLAND ROAD OF 17,328 TRIPS PER DAY AS THEY PROJECTED FOR ROCKY ADDING CRESCENT TRAFFIC, YOU'LL HAVE A ROUGHLY 250% INCREASE OVER TODAY'S TRAFFIC.
UCHIN SECURED FUNDING FOR THE, UH, THE DIVERGENT DIAMOND.
THIS IS PROJECTED TO IMPROVE THE FLOW, HOWEVER, THE D D I AND OTHER PLANNED TRAFFIC MITIGATION WILL ALL OCCUR SOUTH OF ROCKY.
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PROJECT IS NORTH OF ROCKY, ASKING VDOT TO RE-STUDY OR FOR THEM TO STUDY THE RETIMING OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL LIGHT AT ASHLAND PCY TRACK WILL DO LITTLE TO MITIGATE A 250% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT FOR YEARS, AND THE RESPONSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, OH, THAT'S IN HANOVER.
UH, I QUESTIONED THE WISDOM OF THE APPLICANT PLACING TWO ENTRANCES OFF ASHLAND ROAD.
THE ESTABLISHED ENTRANCE SPACING ON SUCH A ROAD IS 660 FEET.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES PLACING TWO ENTRANCES 475 FEET APART.
THERE SIMPLY ISN'T ENOUGH SPACE SOUTHBOUND, YOU'LL HAVE ONE RIGHT TURN LANE AND A TAPERED LANE, WHICH BY ITS VERY NATURE, WILL OBSTRUCT TRAFFIC.
IT'S A DESIGNED INTERMITTENT TRAFFIC IMPEDIMENT.
THESE TRAFFIC ISSUES HAVE VERY REAL CONSEQUENCES TO THE RESIDENCE OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
THE MORE TRAFFIC YOU CREATE, THE SLOWER THE RESPONSE TIMES WILL BE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, ESPECIALLY WHEN ROCKY IS OPERATIONAL.
REDIRECTING PARKSIDE VILLAGE, UH, PARKSIDE FIRE AND RESCUE CALLS TO HANOVER AND HENRICO AS CHIEF FERGUSON HAS PROPOSED, WILL ADD PRECIOUS MINUTES TO RESPONSE TIMES.
AS TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO INCREASE NORTHBOUND ON ASHLAND ROAD, PARKSIDE IS EXPERIENCING A SIGNIFICANT UPTICK IN COMMERCIAL AND PASSENGER CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC TO AVOID THE LIGHT AT ASHLAND AND POUNCY TRACK.
IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, THE CUT TRA CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC WILL MOST DEFINITELY INCREASE.
WE'RE FRUSTRATED AS A COMMUNITY.
THE COUNTY WORKS SO EFFECTIVELY WITH VDOT TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS TO FACILITATE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
HOWEVER, THE COUNTY IS UNWILLING TO PROVIDE THE SAME ASSISTANCE TO ITS RESIDENTS TO SOLVE THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS CREATED AS A BYPRODUCT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR A NO THROUGH TRAFFIC SIGNS AT THE ENTRANCE IS TO PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING THIS FOR YEARS.
CRESCENT COMMUNITIES IS NOT INTERESTED IN THE COMMUNITY OR ITS NEIGHBORS.
I SPOKE WITH MR. LLOYD AND REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT ADD A NO LEFT TURN PROFFER TO THE TRAFFIC EXITING THE FACILITY.
AS THE DEVELOPERS OF ROCKY HAVE AGREED TO DO THIS WOULD PROTECT PARKSIDE FROM AN ONSLAUGHT OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, THEY REFUSED.
ADDITIONALLY, THEY'VE LANDLOCKED THE PARCEL DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPOSED SITE, REFUSING TO PROVIDE ENTRANCE AND EGRESS.
THEY MAY GENERATE TAX REVENUES, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
ALTHOUGH I'M OPPOSED TO THIS PROPOSAL, I BELIEVE, AS I STATED BEFORE, YOU'RE GONNA APPROVE IT.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS PROPOSAL, I SUGGEST THAT THE COUNTY LEASE SOME SPACE FROM THE APPLICANT TO CREATE A HYBRID COUNTY SEAT STATION, A RESCUE SQUAD, ALONG WITH A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY IN THIS SPACE TO RESPOND TO EMERGENCY EMERGENCY SERVICE CALLS.
THIS WILL ELIMINATE THE NEED TO RELY ON OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO HANDLE EMERGENCY CALLS ONCE ROCKY IS OPERATIONAL.
ADDITIONALLY, PUT SOME ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF IN THERE TO HANDLE BASIC COUNTY FUNCTIONS LIKE PAYING TAXES OR ISSUING PERMITS.
THIS WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEMS I'VE ITERATED, BUT IT WILL MOST LIKELY SAVE LIVES.
MARGARET LEVITT, 70 36 BEN HALL CIRCLE.
HONESTLY, I DID NOT PLAN ON SPEAKING TONIGHT BECAUSE I'M JUST SO DISCOURAGED WITH THE COUNTY, BUT I HEARD THINGS THAT WERE NOT ACCURATE AND I HAVE TO POINT THEM OUT TO YOUR ATTENTION SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND OUR FRUSTRATION BECAUSE WE ARE NOT BEING DEALT WITH IN AN OPEN, HONEST, AND TRANSPARENT MANNER.
AND IT DOES AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY GREATLY.
FIRST OF ALL, WE WERE, WE HEARD WHEN THIS WAS BEING PRESENTED THAT THE PROPERTY WAS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO LANIER.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A HOME BETWEEN THERE.
THE FELLOW CAME TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND TOLD THE APPLICANT, YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOCK ON MY DOOR.
IT'S NOT DIRECTLY NEXT TO LANIER.
THE REASON WE WERE TOLD THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAD TO CONNECT TO ASHLAND ROAD WAS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, THEN THE COUNTY TELLS US, WELL, THE FIRE CHIEF AND SHERIFF AGREED WITH ROCKY, THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE
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HANOVER OR HENRICO RESPOND TO US.WELL, WE'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF BEING ANGRY.
YES, BECAUSE I PAY MY TAXES TO GOOCHLAND.
NOT ONLY THE PRECIOUS MINUTES LOST WITH THAT, WE HAVE SEEN WHAT THIS KIND OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE.
WE HAVE BEEN IN LUCA LOCALITIES WITH THESE RUSTY PODS ON TRACTOR TRAILERS.
WE ARE GONNA BE THE ARMPIT OF THE COUNTY.
I HATE TO PHRASE IT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY HOW I FEEL.
AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES.
UH, THE, THE, UH, IT WON'T BE OVERLY NOXIOUS, OVERLY NOXIOUS.
WELL, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, IT'S CALLED, UM, DPMS, THE PARTICULATE MATTER.
THAT'S WHAT WE WILL BE BREATHING WHEN WE TAKE OUR WALKS, HAVING TO TRY AND AVOID THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.
WE CAN'T GET CROSSWALKS, WE CAN'T GET A FOUR-WAY STOP.
WE CAN'T GET NO THROUGH TRAFFIC.
WE ARE NOT CONSIDERED AT ALL EXCEPT FOR OUR TAX DOLLARS TO PAY FOR AN VALOREM TAX THAT WE ARE NO LONGER ENTITLED TO SEE A REPORT ABOUT NOT TRANSPARENT, NOT OPEN.
AND THUS WHAT'S GOING AROUND ON THE INTERNET THAT WE ARE BEING RULED AND NOT GOVERNED.
THIS IS WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.
I HAVE MORE TO SAY, BUT MY TIME IS UP.
PAUL ANDERSON, 74 66 BRANDIS STREET.
UM, MY COMMENTS HAVE PERTAINED PRIMARILY TO THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT ARE GONNA BE CREATED.
I APPRECIATE THE DOUBLE DIAMOND INTERCHANGE THAT VDOT IS GOING TO PUT IN AT I 64, HOWEVER, THAT IS MANY YEARS IN OUR FUTURE BEFORE THAT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETED.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASED TRAFFIC ON ASHLAND ROAD, WHICH IS GONNA DRAMATICALLY IMPACT ACCESS AND ALSO EMERGENCY SERVICES RESPONSES.
UM, THE COMPLETION DATE OF THAT IS WAS ORIGINALLY 2030.
UH, I UNDERSTAND IT HAS BEEN MOVED UP.
UH, THAT'S ASSUMING, AND I'M A RELATIVELY NEW RESIDENT IN VIRGINIA, SO I DO NOT HAVE A HISTORY TO KNOW HOW ACCURATE VDO T'S TIMEFRAMES ARE.
I KNOW IN MARYLAND WHERE I LIVED, UH, IF IT SAID IT WAS GONNA BE COMPLETED IN 2030, YOU COULD COUNT ON 2035.
UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS RAISED, AND, UH, MR. LUMPKINS RAISED IT ABOUT, UH, PARKING LOTS, UH, FOR THIS FACILITY, YES, THERE IS GOING TO BE, UH, VEHICLE STORAGE.
IT'S GONNA BE CALLED ASHLAND ROAD
I AM NOT AGAINST THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT, I'M NOT AGAINST PROPER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES, BUT YOU NEED TO PLAN IT PROPERLY AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE OR AT LEAST REALLY, REALLY CLOSE TO BEING IN PLACE.
AND THAT'S ONE THING I REALLY HOPE YOU ALL WILL CONSIDER, NOT ONLY WITH THIS PROJECT AND WITH PROJECT ROCKY, BUT THERE ARE OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY FOR SALE ON ASHLAND ROAD IN THAT SAME AREA.
AND IF THOSE ARE SOLD AND WANT TO BE DEVELOPED, YOU CAN ADD THAT TRAFFIC IN TOO.
AND IF WE KEEP ADDING ALL THESE PROJECTS, THE TRAFFIC'S GONNA ADD UP.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A CUTOFF SOMEWHERE.
JONATHAN LYLE, 1521 MANNEQUIN ROAD.
UH, I, I HAVE, UH, SPOKEN TO THIS BOARD A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE LAST 12 YEARS.
AND EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES UP THAT INVOLVES ASHTON ROAD, I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
'CAUSE I SPOKE AGAINST THAT REZONING.
UH, IT IS NOT A GOOD LOCATION FOR, UM, RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE ASHLAND ROAD IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SEE INDUSTRIAL AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S, UH, PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HOW MANY TIMES TONIGHT IF WE HEARD THIS, IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? UH, SO I THINK
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WHAT I APPRECIATE IS THE BOARD IS TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST OF A CHALLENGING SITUATION.BUT I DO WANT TO SEE THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS BEST AS IT CAN BE, IS FOLLOWED THAT WE PUT OUR BUSINESS IN INDUSTRIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE ENVISIONED IT TO BE.
AND THAT, UM, WE DON'T PUT RESIDENTIAL IN AREAS THAT WE'RE THINKING WE WANT TO HAVE BUSINESS IN DEVELOPMENT.
I WISH I HAD BEEN MORE ARTICULATE WHEN THE BOARD WAS CONSIDERING REZONING FOR PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
UM, BUT FOR TONIGHT, I DO THINK THAT THIS FITS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S TO THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY.
AND I DO KNOW TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE ON ASHLAND ROAD, UH, FOR SOME TIME UNTIL THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER OTHER THAN TIME IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS, BUT THIS IS A PROJECT I THINK WILL WELL SUIT THE COUNTY AND, UH, I HOPE YOU DO APPROVE IT.
I KNOW IT'S LATE AND I'M SORRY.
I'M GONNA BE A BIT REPETITIVE.
UM, GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS SARAH WORLEY AND I AM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR GLAND COUNTY.
I AM ALSO THE SECRETARY FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF GLAND, AND I'M HERE ON THEIR BEHALF TO READ INTO THE RECORD A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
PLEASE ACCEPT THIS LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT ON ASHLAND ROAD AS FILED IN REZONING CASE RZ 20 23 4.
THE PROJECT WILL AID IN FULFILLING A NEED FOR INDUSTRIAL SPACE IN GLAND COUNTY.
THERE IS A LACK OF AVAILABLE INDUSTRIAL SPACE IN THE COUNTY, WHICH IS LIMITING OUR ABILITY TO GROW GLAND'S ECONOMY.
AS YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF THE GLAND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY IS TO FACILITATE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL GROWTH IN THE COUNTY.
IN KEEPING WITH THIS MISSION OF THE GLAND, E D A, WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT IN THIS LOCATION.
IN 2021, THE GLIN E D A FUNDED A STUDY TO ANALYZE THE TYPES AND NEEDS OF EXISTING EMERGING, EMERGING INDUSTRIES IN GLAND DUE TO THE COUNTY'S PRIME LOCATION.
AND FOUR, INTERCHANGES ON 64, LOGISTICS AND MANUFACTURING WERE IDENTIFIED AS TARGETED INDUSTRIES.
FURTHERMORE, THE COUNTY HAS DESIGNATED ASHLAND ROAD CORRIDOR AS ITS INDUSTRIAL GROWTH AREA.
AS SUCH, REZONING OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURAL TO INDUSTRIAL, AS IN KEEPING WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, STRATEGIC PLAN, AND GLAND'S TARGETED INDUSTRIES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF THIS VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT.
SINCERELY, BENJAMIN J SALO III, CHAIR OF THE GLIN, E D A.
ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK? WISHING TO SPEAK? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS OR COMMENTS THAT THEY HEARD.
VERY BRIEFLY, UM, ONE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE.
I, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT MR. LEVITT.
I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH HIM A NUMBER OF TIMES, AND HE BROUGHT A LEVEL OF DETAILED ANALYSIS OF A REZONING CASE THAT'S UNCOMMON FOR, UH, A CITIZEN OF A COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, AND THEN I WANT TO COMPLIMENT HIS WILLINGNESS TO, TO OFFER SOME CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK.
AND ONE OF THE CONSTRUCTIVE IDEAS THAT HE OFFERED WAS, UH, TO LIMIT LEFT HAND TURNS.
AND THE REASON THAT WE ULTIMATELY DECLINED THAT REQUEST WAS BECAUSE MANY OF THE LEFT-HAND TURNS ARE GONNA BE MADE BY EMPLOYEES WHO ARE WORKING AT THEIR PLACE OF WORK AND WANNA RETURN TO THEIR RESIDENCE, WHICH MAY BE IN GLAND OR IT MAY BE IN HANOVER.
AND SO TO DEPRIVE THEM OF THE ABILITY TO TURN LEFT, WE BELIEVE WOULD LIMIT THE ABILITY OF, OF THEM TO FREELY ACCESS, UH, THEIR PLACE OF WORK, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE WITH THIS PROPERTY.
UM, BUT WE, WE STILL APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE NOTION OF CREATING A, A CONSTRUCTIVE, UM, UH, SUGGESTION FOR HOW A NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT EMBRACE, UH, THIS PROJECT, UM, WAS A COMMENT THAT WAS ALSO MENTIONED, UH, RELATED TO THE ADJACENT USES.
I BELIEVE, UM, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE A RESIDENCE THAT'S NOTED HERE.
UM, FOR THE RECORD THAT WAS NOT THE RESIDENCE, UM, OF THE GENTLEMAN WHO APPEARED AND OFFERED SOME FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING.
INSTEAD, HE LIVES IN THE RESIDENCE TO THE NORTH.
UM, SO ABOVE THE PLAN, UH, IF YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PLAN WHERE IT SAYS Y W L HOLDINGS, L L C, THAT IS, UM, THAT PROPERTY LINE IS CONTIGUOUS WITH THE INDUSTRIAL PARK.
SO AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO, UM, CLEAR UP FOR THE RECORD THAT, UH, UH, THIS IS CONTIGUOUS WITH EXISTING INDUSTRIAL USES.
UM, WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
MR. LLOYD, BEFORE YOU, SO JUST PIGGYBACKING ON THAT REAL QUICK.
SO YOU HAVE, IT SEEMS LIKE TWO DIFFERENT USES TO THE NORTH.
YOU'VE GOT THE TRUCKS TO THE SOUTH, YOU'VE GOT THE CARS.
I WOULD IMAGINE ALL CUT THROUGHS ARE NOT FAVORABLE TO PARKSIDE.
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I IMAGINE TRUCKS WOULD BE A LOT WORSE.IS THERE ANY WAY TO PRO TO ALLOW TO BASE IT SO THE TRUCKS CAN, WOULD GO SOUTH AND BUT ALLOW THE, THE SOUTH ENTRANCE TO TURN LEFT? SO THAT DOES PRESENT SOME CHALLENGES.
ALTHOUGH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC IS ANTICIPATED TO GO SOUTH, THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS THAT'LL BE ENTERING THIS SITE ARE IN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE VERY DIFFERENT THAN PROJECT ROCKY.
AND SO BY TRYING TO LIMIT ALL OF THE TRUCK ACCESS GOING NORTH FROM ROCKY, I THINK THAT WAS A RECOGNITION OF WHAT THE, THE DELUGE OF TRUCKS COMING FROM THAT PROPERTY COULD CREATE.
WHEREAS IN THIS LOCATION WE'RE LOOKING AT EVEN DURING PEAK HOURS, DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE USE AND WHEN THE TRUCKS WOULD BE USING IT, UM, IT'S MUCH LESS LIKELY THAT, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE THE SIGNIFICANT, UH, VOLUME THAT WAS PREDICTED IN, IN THAT CASE.
UM, HOWEVER, IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, IF THAT'S A, A MAJOR ISSUE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, PERHAPS THE APPLICANT CAN REEXAMINE.
YEAH, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE AS PROJECT ROBBERY HAS PROGRESSED, AND I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO LUX STONE, I'VE TALKED TO, THAT'S SORT OF THE, THE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE HAPPEN IS TO TRY TO PROTECT PARKSIDE AS MUCH AS WE CAN FROM THAT, THAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC.
SO I, I THINK IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO HELP TO SHOW THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE OUR NEIGHBORS OR OUR CITIZENS.
UM, MR. LLOYD, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND ADMINISTRATOR OR STAFF MIGHT SHUT IT DOWN, BUT WOULD, UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE WILLING TO CONSIDER THE PLACEMENT AND THE FUNDING OF MULTIPLE, UM, NO.
THROUGH TRAFFIC SIGNS AT PARKSIDE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AT LEAST ADDRESSING A PRIMARY CONCERN? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE PUT IN A PROFFER, BUT I DO WANNA ASK MR. VADER'S.
I, I BELIEVE THEY'RE VDOT CONTROLLED.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT OUR, IT'S NOT JUST AS SIMPLE PUTTING UP A SIGN VDOT ASKED THE CONTROL OF FLOW TRAFFIC, BUT I DO THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO.
I HAD NOT HEARD ABOUT THE NO THROUGH TRAFFIC ISSUE BEFORE, BUT OKAY.
I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AS A SEPARATE ITEM.
SIGNS,
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO JOKE.
MS. LASETTE, I YOU COMPLETED MR. SS.
SO THERE WERE A COUPLE COMMENTS MADE BY, UM, BY CITIZENS.
I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK OVER, UH, ONE OF THEM WAS TWO ENTRANCES TO THIS PROPERTY.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH,
UM, I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, KIMBERLY HORN TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION OF THE VEHICLE SPACING OR THE ACCESS SPACING.
OMAR KANAN WITH KIMLEY HORNE ASSOCIATES, UH, THE ACCESS SPACING BETWEEN THE PROJECT DRIVEWAYS AND BETWEEN THE PROJECT DRIVEWAYS AND THE ADJACENT DRIVEWAYS MEETS V ACCESS MANAGEMENT SPACING REQUIREMENTS.
AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE? IT'S 470 OR FOUR 80 FEET AT THIS LOCATION.
AND THAT THIS IS VDOT STANDARDS? CORRECT.
SO WAIT, YOU MAY WANNA STAY UP HERE.
DO YOU HAVE OTHER TRAFFIC? OKAY, OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TRAFFIC? UM, LET'S SEE.
UM, BECAUSE I HAD ONE REAL QUICK, IF I COULD JUST, YEAH, GO AHEAD AND DO A TRAFFIC.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO THE COMMENT THAT, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, ROAD VOLUME WAS 17,320 VEHICLES, UH, TRIPS.
BUT THAT, THAT WAS NOT IN THE REPORT.
CAN YOU TALK TO THAT PLEASE? THE, THE PROJECT ROCKY TRAFFIC WAS INCLUDED IN OUR ANALYSIS.
UH, THE 17,000, UH, NUMBER THEY'RE REFERENCING, I BELIEVE WOULD BE THE TOTAL DAILY TRAFFIC.
BUT WHEN WE PREPARE ANALYSIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PEAK MORNING AND THE PEAK AFTERNOONS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE HOUR IN THE MORNING AND ONE HOUR IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO, UM, THE, THE COMMENT WAS MADE ABOUT A HOME, AND I THINK WE STARTED TO ADDRESS IT, BUT NOT COMPLETELY A HOME BETWEEN THIS PROJECT AND LANIER.
AND SO WHERE ARE THE HOMES AROUND THIS PROJECT? YES, MA'AM.
UM, UH, I DID BRIEFLY STATE THAT THERE WAS A HOME, UM, WITHIN 65 FEET OF THIS PROPOSED PROJECT.
AND THAT IS IN STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
I'M GETTING REALLY GOOD AT THIS.
SO, UM, THE CLOSEST RESIDENCE, THE FIRST ONE, UM, AND YOU'LL SEE A,
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UM, LET ME USE THE POINTER TWO.I'M GETTING FANCY LAID OUT OR SEE, I'VE GOT MY SECOND WIND.
UM, THE FIRST RESIDENCE, NUMBER ONE THERE, UP IN THE CHART HERE, IT INDICATES THAT'S 65 FEET.
NUMBER TWO, THERE IS A SECOND RESIDENCE THAT IS 325 FEET.
AND AGAIN, LINEAR INDUSTRIAL PARK.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AERIAL MAP, UM, IT IS ADJACENT BASED ON THE AERIAL, UH, PHOTO MAP.
SO THERE ARE NO, THERE ARE NO HOMES BETWEEN THIS PROJECT AND LANIER, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING? CORRECT.
THE HOMES ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE? YES, MA'AM.
UM, I, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
THANK YOU FOR YES, THERE IS THAT SMALL HOME.
SO HOW CLOSE IS THAT HOME? UM, I'M NOT SURE.
I WILL DEFER TO STAFF ON THAT ONE.
UM, THAT IMMEDIATELY IS ON THE LEFT CORNER.
UH, AGAIN, THAT'S NESTLED BETWEEN, UM, LINEAR AND THE FRONT ROAD.
I'M AFRAID I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A MEASUREMENT FOR THAT ONE.
BUT BASED ON, UM, THE, THE DISTANCES FROM THE OTHER, IT LOOKS APPROXIMATELY, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN, BETWEEN THOSE TWO, THE ONE AND TWO.
I'M AFRAID I DID NOT MEASURE THAT.
MR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU YES, SIR.
PERMIT ME TO RESPOND TO ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED EARLIER? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, AFTER CONFERRING WITH MY CLIENT, THEY HAVE INDICATED, UH, A DESIRE TO AMEND THE PROFFER TO ADD A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY INSTALL SIGNAGE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT ANY LARGE TRUCKS FROM TURNING LEFT ON ASHLAND ROAD.
OKAY, THAT'S, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOT THAT MS. MCGEE WORKING ON IT.
IS THAT, WOULD WE, WOULD WE MAKE, WOULD WE MAKE THAT AN AXLE TYPE STIPULATION? NO TRUCKS OVER LENGTH.
THANK, JUST AS HOWEVER WE CAN DO IT, THE CLEANEST, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THE TOTAL LENGTH CUT OFF? UH, DO WE NEED? YES, SIR.
UH, I WOULD SAY MOST, MOST TRAILERS STICK WITH A 53 FEET GAP.
WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT ANY VEHICLE WITH A LENGTH GREATER THAN 40 FEET BE PROHIBITED FROM A LEFT HAND TURN BY INSTALLATION OF APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE.
AND CAN YOU, UM, DESCRIBE FOR ME WHAT ENTRANCE OR EXIT THAT IS? SO I CAN GRAB IT? IT WOULD BE THE NORTHERN EXIT, WHICH IS THE EXIT THAT, UH, IS FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
BOARD, DO WE, UM, HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, MOTION, MR. VADERS? I'VE JUST GOT THREE QUICK COMMENTS.
I, I DO WANT TO REITERATE FOR THE RECORD THAT BUILDING WITHIN OUR COMP PLAN AND ENHANCING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BENEFITS ALL CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY.
IT IS, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
I HOPE WE CAN OVER TIME, BUT CONT, YOU KNOW, WORK TO ADDRESS THEM.
I WISH SIGNAGE WERE SOMETHING WE COULD DO IMMEDIATELY.
I MEAN, THAT IS A PITY IN MY MIND, BUT, UM, SO THAT IS ONE POINT.
UM, SECONDLY, I DO WANT TO STRESS, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT THAT WE AREN'T TRANSPARENT IN DESCRIBING OUR WORKINGS WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
AND WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS HAVE TO BE RESPECTED ACROSS THIS COUNTY.
THAT IS AN IMPORTANT THING FOR OUR REPUTATION AND US WORKING WITH ANY RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND A BIG PORTION OF THAT IS CONFIDENTIALITY.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RESPECT THOSE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF INDIVIDUALS AND MAINTAIN CONFIDENCE UNTIL THEY HAVE A PRE-APPLICATION.
THEY GO THROUGH THE COMMUNITY MEETING PROCESS, THEY GO THROUGH ALL THESE STEPS IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
AND I THINK WE CAN DO STRONG, THOROUGH DUE DILIGENCE IF WE HAVE STRONG RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO DO THAT IS TO HAVE TRUST WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND BE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH THEM AND GET THE PROFFERS THAT TRY AND ALLEVIATE THESE CONCERNS.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, KIND OF ADDING ONTO THE BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY IS THIS COMING INTO THE T C S D AND PAYING THE FULL AD VALOREM AND INCREASING THE TAX REVENUE MEANINGFULLY? UH, WHEN WE, ON ITS OWN, IT'S VALUABLE, BUT WHEN WE INCLUDE WITH ROCKY, OUR POTENTIAL TO PAY DOWN
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THE A VALOREM MUCH, MUCH SOONER GOES, UH, IT SHORTENS THAT TIMEFRAME, UH, AND IT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT, WHICH WOULD GREATLY BENEFIT THE INDIVIDUALS IN THIS FOOTPRINT.SO, UM, WE, I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH.
YOU GET THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BENEFITS WITH THE REAL ESTATE PROPERTY AND THE PERSONAL PROPERTY.
THIS WILL GREATLY BENEFIT OUR PAY DOWN IN THE T C S D AND THE AVALOR, UH, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING THE VALOREM TAX AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU, MR. MS. CHAIR, IF I COULD, I THINK YOU'RE ADULT.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS, UH, RELATED TO, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIRE RESCUE AND I, WE DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES HERE OF RESCUE OF FIRE SAFETY AND RESCUE.
W W WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO PERHAPS HAVE ONE OF THEM COME UP TO ADDRESS, CAN THEY ADEQUATELY SERVE PARKSIDE, UH, AND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS MIGHT BE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ON PUBLIC SAFETY? IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD, UH, SURE.
WE COULD DO, UM, SINCE WE HAVE THE, THE CHIEF CHIEF GOT ALL DRESSED UP AND CAME OUT HERE TO, TO SIT THROUGH THIS, SO THANK YOU.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
UM, PARKSIDE VILLAGE IS CERTAINLY ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY'RE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF GLAND COUNTY AND FIRE RESCUE IS ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO SERVING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND NEVER ONCE HAVE I SAID THAT THAT WOULD BE TURF TO HANOVER COUNTY OR HENRICO COUNTY.
WE DO MUTUAL AID WITH HANOVER AND ENRICO.
WE HAVE GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM, AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO ALWAYS CALLING THE RESOURCES THAT WE NEED TO MITIGATE THE EMERGENCY.
UH, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY CONCERNED ABOUT PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
UH, HAVE, UH, MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE TRAFFIC ON ASHLAND ROAD IS CONCERNING TO ME.
UH, CERTAINLY, UM, THE DIVERS DIAMOND WILL HELP THAT TO A GREAT EXTENT, BUT WE, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, FIRE RESCUE HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON ASHLAND ROAD IS VERY CONCERNING WHEN TRAVELING TO EMERGENCIES NORTH OF I 64.
UH, IT DIDN'T START, UH, JUST RECENTLY.
IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A GOOD WHILE AND IT'S GOTTEN A LOT WORSE.
BUT TO BE CLEAR, GLAND COUNTY FIRE RESCUE SERVES PARKSIDE VILLAGE, NOT HANOVER COUNTY AND NOT HENRICO COUNTY.
WE HAVE MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS WITH BOTH JURISDICTIONS AND WE WORK VERY WELL TOGETHER.
AND WHEN WE CALL AND THEY CAN, THEY COME TO HELP US AND WE DO THE SAME FOR THEM.
AND WE'RE ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO ALL OUR CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY.
AND WE'VE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT AND CLEAR ON THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HAD ON ASHLAND ROAD, AND WE DO HAVE THOSE CONCERNS.
CHIEF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WHILE YOU'RE HERE, I WAS GONNA ASK THIS AND I DIDN'T WANNA CALL YOU UP, BUT NOW YOU'RE HERE.
SO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, RIGHT, AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE, UM, THE OCCUPANCIES AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'VE GOT AN IDEA FROM THE, THE LIST.
ANY CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE FOR THIS, THIS PROJECT ADDS TO THE OVERALL VOLUME OF TRAFFIC ON ASHLAND ROAD.
UH, THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE.
UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, ASHLAND ROAD IS PROBLEMATIC IN GENERAL WITH WITHOUT THE PROJECT, BUT IT DOES ADD TO THE OVERALL TRAFFIC VOLUME ON ASHLAND ROAD.
UH, FROM A STANDPOINT OF HOW THE PROJECT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AND BUILT.
IT'LL HAVE TO BE BUILT TO STATE, UM, BUILDING CODE AS WELL AS THE STATE FIRE PREVENTION CODE.
UH, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT, UH, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, UH, OF WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN SHOWN TO THIS POINT.
AND WE'VE PROVIDED OUR COMMENTS, UH, BUT OUR COMMENTS ON MY COMMENTS ARE PRIMARILY DUE TO THE SAFETY OF ASHLAND ROAD.
AND I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT I THINK ASHLAND ROAD IS VERY PROBLEMATIC.
UH, AND I'VE SAID THAT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
UM, AND IT'S THAT WAY WITH OR WITHOUT THIS PROJECT.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
UH, I KNOW I'M REPEATING THINGS THAT WE ALL KNOW, UH, BUT I CERTAINLY DO NOT WANNA BE IN A SITUATION WHERE I HAVEN'T SAID THAT ON PUBLIC RECORD.
AND WE DO SERVE THE RESIDENTS, UH, ALL THE WAY TO THE COUNTY LINE.
WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE ONLY TIME YOU REACH OUT AND ASK FOR MUTUAL AID IS IF IT WOULD SHORTEN THE RESPONSE TIME THAT YOU'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO PICK UP SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY END UP EXTENDING THE RESPONSE TIME OR MAKING IT WORSE? YOU'RE ONLY ENGAGING THEM IF IT CAN GET THERE FASTER ON SITE TO HELP FOLKS? WE HAVE THE SAME SIX FIRE STATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE THE 1950S AND THE 19 EARLY 1960S.
WE'RE ACTIVELY PURSUING TRYING TO ADD ANOTHER FIRE STATION TO EAST END OF THE COUNTY, THE WEST CREEK AND ANOTHER IN SANDY HOOK.
AND WE, WE NEVER LET A COUNTY LINE STAND IN THE WAY OF DOING WHAT'S RIGHT FOR AN EMERGENCY.
EMERGENCIES DON'T KNOW, COUNTY LINES AND FIRES BURN THE SAME AND PEOPLE WILL GET SICK AND HAVE CARDIAC ARREST THE SAME WAY WE WILL ALWAYS CONTACT AND CALL FOR THE CLOSEST HELP,
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UH, AND NEVER LET A COUNTY LINE STAND IN THE WAY.UH, AND, AND HONESTLY, UH, THE WAY THAT MUTUAL AID, IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC MUTUAL AID, IT IS NOT AUTOMATIC.
IT IS A MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT THAT WHEN WE HAVE A NEED, WE MAKE THE REQUEST, IT GOES THROUGH OUR E C C TO THEIR E C C, AND, AND USUALLY A COMMAND OFFICER ON THE OTHER SIDE HAS TO APPROVE THAT, AND THAT ADDS TIME TO THAT REQUEST.
UH, AND IF THEY CAN PROVIDE THE MUTUAL AID, MOST OF THE TIME, THE OTHER JURISDICTION WILL, SOMETIMES WE GET THE, GET THE WORD BACK.
UH, WE ARE IN A SAME SITUATION WHEN WE GET REQUESTED FOR MUTUAL AID, MOST OF THE TIME WE CAN PROVIDE IT.
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN OUR RESOURCES ARE ALREADY TAXED AND ON OTHER CALLS, AND WE HAVE TOO MANY UNITS, UH, BUSY THAT WE HAVE TO DENY THE ABILITY TO HELP ANOTHER JURISDICTION.
IT'S NOT OFTEN, BUT IT DOES HELP DOES HAPPEN.
BUT WE ARE ALWAYS COMMITTED TO CALLING THE, UH, THE NEAREST HELP.
MY STANDING RULE IS ON ANY TYPE OF WORKING INCIDENT, LIKE A STRUCTURE FIRE THAT'S NORTH OF INTERSTATE 64 IN THE CENTERVILLE AREA FROM OILVILLE ALL THE WAY TO THE PONCY TRACK AREA.
THEN IT'S MY STANDARD PRACTICE TO PUT A REQUEST IN FOR MUTUAL AID FROM HANOVER COUNTY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FIRE STATION IN ROCKVILLE.
AND AGAIN, IT MAY BE, IF THEY'RE NOT THE CLOSEST UNIT, THEY CERTAINLY MAY BE THE SECOND CLOSEST UNIT.
WE DON'T LET THESE COUNTY LINES STAND IN THE WAY OF, UH, THE WAY WE HANDLE EMERGENCIES.
WE'RE THERE FOR THE CITIZENS AND THE EMERGENCIES.
YOU WANT ME TO GO? WE NEED YOU IN THE COUNTY, BUT I DON'T NEED YOU FOR THIS QUESTION.
UM, SO NO, I WOULD JUST MAKE AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT WITH UNDERSTANDING THAT I MENTIONED THE POTENTIAL BENEFITS OF PAYING DOWN THE T C S D SOONER, BUT AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT.
AND AS I'VE LEARNED IN, IN A, YOU KNOW, DRINKING FROM A FIRE HOSE OVER THE LAST 10 MONTHS IN THIS ROLE, UM, IT IS, OH, NO PUN INTENDED.
UM, UM, AS I'VE LEARNED, WE'VE GOT, UH, IT'S NOT CHEAP TO ADD FIRE AND RESCUE AND SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT STATIONS, BUT IF WE ARE ADDING THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT AND SEEING SUBSTANTIAL WAYS IN WHICH TO PAY DOWN DEBT AND KEEP OUR FINANCES AS A COUNTY IN THE INCREDIBLY SOUND POSITION IT IS RIGHT NOW, IT ALLOWS US TO FORECAST ALL THESE DEBT PAYMENTS.
IF WE HAVE TO DO THOSE TYPES OF TRADE-OFFS AND SAY FIRE STATION TAKES PRECEDENCE CLOSER TO PARKSIDE, CLOSER TO THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE NEAR TERM, AND T C S D MAYBE IS OUT THERE ANOTHER COUPLE YEARS, WELL, WE WILL HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, MUCH GREATER FLEXIBILITY IF WE DON'T ADD TO TOP LINE REVENUE.
WE HAVE CONSIDERABLE CONSTRAINTS WITH CAPEX NEEDS FOR THE COUNTY, CA CAPITAL EXPENDITURE NEEDS FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
AND WITH FIRE STATIONS RUNNING NORTH OF $10 MILLION AND APPARATI BEING EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MATERIAL COSTS THAT WE NEED TO BE PREPARED TO, UH, FUND AS A COUNTY TO MAINTAIN PRUDENT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
ANY THOUGHTS ON A MOTION? UM, BOARD MEMBERS, I DO HAVE, UH, AGREED LANGUAGE, EVEN A SIGNATURE FROM THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THAT PROFFER THAT THEY ARE, UM, VOLUNTARILY ADDING TO THEIR CASE TONIGHT THAT, UH, AS PROFFER C ONE LITTLE FOUR, IT WOULD SAY SIGNAGE, SIGNAGE PROHIBITING A LEFT TURN MOVEMENT BY VEHICLES 40 FEET IN LENGTH OR GREATER, LEAVING THE NORTHERN EXIT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS SAID IN THAT WAY BECAUSE IT FOLLOWS AN INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
SO THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
I THINK IT ADDRESSES WHAT THEY WERE OFFERING AND I'M, I'M SATISFIED WITH IT LEGALLY.
UM, SO I WANNA MAKE THAT AWARE THAT IF SOMEONE WAS INTENDING TO INCLUDE THAT PROFFER, THEY WOULD MAKE THAT AS AMENDED.
UM, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVE REZONING RZ 20 23 4 FOR 28.94 ACRES ON 22.12 ASHLAND ROAD FROM A TWO TWO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL M TWO WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS, AND THE AMENDMENTS JUST READ INTO THE RECORD BY, UM, MS. MCGEE.
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SECOND DISCUSSION, MR. LUMPKINS? OH, NO, MS. CELEST? NO.UM, SO I DID WANT TO SORT OF ANSWER MR. VADER'S QUESTION FROM EARLIER BEFORE, WHEN WE SAT UP HERE LAST YEAR, OR WAS IT EARLIER THIS YEAR? AND WE APPROVED THE PROJECT, ROCKY.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAID WAS THIS WAS NOT, WE DIDN'T GET ACROSS THE GOAL LINE.
AND I CAME UP IN THE MORNING, TALKED TO STAFF AND SAID JUST THAT THING.
WHEN WE LEFT THAT MEETING, I HAD $16 MILLION FOR A DOUBLE DIVERGENT DIAMOND.
TODAY, ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS LATER, WE HAVE THE FULL FUNDING.
WE'VE PULLED THAT IN 18 MONTHS.
WE MADE A COMMITMENT THAT WE WERE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO ALIGN THESE PROJECTS.
IS IT GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL? I HOPE.
THINGS ARE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK.
UH, I I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF BLOWING UP THE ENTRANCE TO MY COUNTY.
THAT IS NOT WHAT
UM, BUT I, I THINK THIS RECENT HISTORY OF HOW THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE, WHICH WE'RE TOLD WAS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE.
WE ACTUALLY HAD TO GO TO ALL THE OTHER LOCALITIES TO HAVE $19 MILLION TAKEN OFF A PROJECT THAT WAS GONNA BE BENEFIT, MOSTLY HENRICO.
AND THEY ALL AGREED BECAUSE THIS PROJECT WAS SO IMPORTANT.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I I THINK THE REGION SEEING THAT INTERCHANGE GETTING FIXED IS GOOD FOR THE REGION.
AND INDICATIONS ARE, UH, FROM THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION, THE, UH, COMMISSIONER, THE SECRETARY OF COMMERCE, AND THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, WHO I'VE MET WITH CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT INTERSECTION FOR NOT JUST THE REGION, BUT FOR VIRGINIA AS A WHOLE, BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO THE PORTS, UM, AND PROXIMITY TO THE, THE ABILITY TO MOVE GOODS AND MAKE US A, UH, A A STATE THAT IS VIABLE, UH, AND COMPETING WITH THE CAROLINAS OF THE WORLD.
SO, UM, I JUST WANNA BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I, I DON'T, I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO THIS, WE TRY, WE, WE MEAN WHAT WE SAY AND WE ARE TRYING TO BRING THIS IN LINE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND WE'RE WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
UM, I WILL BE ADJOURNING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING TO OUR MONDAY, AUGUST 7TH, 6:00 PM PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN.
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SEPTEMBER 5TH AFTERNOON TRANSPORTATION WORK SESSION AT TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 5TH AFTERNOON, REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING, ALL IN THIS OFFICE AND ALL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.THE WAY WE DID IT WORKED OUT FINE.
HOW ARE THINGS AT WILLIAMS MULLIN? EXCELLENT.
HAS BROOKS, HAS BROOKE'S HAWK RETIRED? HE'S MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
IS HE RETIRED WHERE YOU LIVE? OH, HE'S IN THE OFFICE TOO.
WE SHARE A WALL OF THE OFFICE.
OH, NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR AT THE OFFICE.
IS HE STILL IN LEADERSHIP? THANKS.
HAS HE KIND OF STEPPED OUT OF THAT A LITTLE BIT? HE'S NOT DIRECTLY LEADING THE SECTION.