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WE WILL CALL THE AUGUST MEETING OF THE GOIN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
[1. Call To Order]
PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION[2. Pledge of Allegiance]
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.AND TWO, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR HOLY FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU GUIDE US IN OUR DELIBERATIONS TONIGHT
[3. Invocation - Led By Mr. Rockecharlie]
TO REMEMBER THAT WE ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE AND WE FOLLOW ALL THE GUIDELINES BY THE COUNTY THROUGH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR ZONING ORDINANCES.UH, WE THANK ALL THOSE WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, UH, DISCUSSION THAT IS THE VERY ESSENCE OF A FREE DEMOCRACY.
AND, UH, WE HOPE EVERYONE, UH, ARRIVES HOME SAFELY IN THE RAIN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, ADDITIONS, CHANGES, POSTPONEMENTS? UM, DID YOU WANNA OPEN IT UP FOR CITIZEN COMMENT? APPROVE THE MINUTES FIRST.
UH, EVERYONE HAS A COPY OF THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS? CORRECTIONS, MOTION TO APPROVE? I SECONDED.
[4. Approval of Minutes]
AND SECONDED.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SECONDED BY SAYING AYE.
ANY CITIZENS HERE WANNA MAKE A COMMENT OR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT?
[5. Citizen Comment Period]
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.WE DO HAVE ONE REQUEST, UM, TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
[6. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions, or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings]
UM, THAT'S CORRECT.UM, THE REQUEST WOULD BE UNDER A PUBLIC HEARING, ITEMS EIGHT, THAT CASES FOUR AND FIVE ON THE AGENDA ITEM IS BEING DISTRICT FIVE RC 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 0 0 1 0 AND C 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 0 0 1.
UM, BE MOVED TO THE, UM, FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OF THE NIGHT.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? ANY COMMENT? MOTION TO APPROVE.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THOSE FAVOR.
WE DO HAVE ONE ACTION ITEM BEFORE THE COMMISSION TONIGHT.
UM, IT WILL NOT COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
IT DOES REQUIRE A MOTION AND A VOTE.
THIS IS FOR TENTATIVE PLATT REVIEW DISTRICT FOUR M A J T 20 22 7
[7. Tentative Plat Review]
MOSAIC AT WEST CREEK APPLICATION BY H H H HUNT MOSAIC, L L C, REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REVISED TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION PLATT FOR A 497 LOT SUBDIVISION.THE TENTATIVE PLATT IS REQUIRED BY ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION TWO OF THE COUNTY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
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THANK YOU, MS. PARKER.GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS RAY CASH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I, AS MS. PARKER SAID, THIS IS AN ADJUSTED TENTATIVE PLATT REVIEW.
UM, THIS IS A PLATT THAT'S BEEN FOR THE BEFORE THE COMMISSION SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE IN DIFFERENT FORMS. UH, THE TOTAL MOSAIC ACREAGE, 207.839 ACRES.
IT'S LOCATED INSIDE OF OUR PRIME ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT AREA.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE ON THE SCREEN IS GENERALLY THIS IS THE MOSAIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN RECORDED ALSO EXTENDS A LITTLE FURTHER.
THE AREA THAT'S UNDER REVISION TONIGHT IS SPECIFICALLY THIS AREA OUTLINED IN RED THAT'S CURRENTLY VACANT.
UM, IS PROPOSED SECTION SEVEN OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, HERE IS THE PROPOSED, UH, FIRST SHEET OF THE TENTATIVE PLAT, WHICH REALLY GIVES YOU THE OVERALL, UM, REVIEW OF, UH, MOSAIC ITSELF.
UM, THE AREA OUTLINED IN THE CIRCLE IN YELLOW IS THE AREA THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE AMENDED.
AND I'LL GO AND ZOOM IN ON THE NEXT PART TO REALLY EXPLAIN WHAT THE PURPOSE IS OF THIS AMENDMENT.
IN THE UPPER, UM, CORNER, UH, TOP CORNER IS A AREA THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO BE THE CONNECTION FROM THE SECTION OF DEVELOPMENT BACK OUT TO MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD.
UM, THE APPLICANT AT THE TIME OF ACTUALLY TRYING TO CONSTRUCT IT ENCOUNTERED SOME REAL TOP, UH, GEOGRAPHIC
PRIMARILY A LOT OF ROCK IN THE AREA.
UM, THERE ARE HOMES ALREADY DEVELOPED DIRECTLY ADJACENT OF THAT FACE ON MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD.
UM, THEIR REQUEST WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO ELIMINATE THIS ENTRANCE, UM, AND ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT, THE LOTS TO ACCESS VIA THE INTERNAL STREETS HERE, AND THEN REVISE THE LAYOUT ACCORDINGLY.
UM, THE, FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE, THE IDEA IS WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THAT AREA ACCOMMODATED FOR THE AREA.
NOW BASICALLY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADJUST THE OPEN SPACE OF THE SEC OF TWO SECTION TWO B AND REVISE THE OPEN SPACE.
HERE I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT COMPARED TO WHAT IT IS HERE BEFORE YOU.
THE OTHER ITEM THAT WOULD AFFECT OTHER TYPE OF PROPERTIES IS ACTUALLY THERE IS THE REVISED STUB ROAD LOCATION THAT GOES TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, UM, TOWARDS THE WEST.
HOW, YOU KNOW, THE STU ROAD LOCATION GOES TO A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LOCATION, BUT IT ACTUALLY GOES TO THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNS BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
UM, IT SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS OF VDOT AS WELL AS, UM, THE COUNTY'S PREFERENCE FOR STU ROAD CONNECTIONS.
SO THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT, AGAIN, THE AREA CIRCLE IN YELLOW WAS PRIMARILY WHERE IT WAS ON THE PREVIOUS TENANT FLAT.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE WAS IN THE RED CIRCLE THERE WAS THE ROAD COMING OFF MISS A CREEK BOULEVARD AND THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE STUB ROAD.
IT DID STILL PREVIOUSLY CONNECT, UM, INTERNALLY TO THE OTHER, UM, SECTION OF THE SUBDIVISION.
SO BACK ORIGINALLY, THIS PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED IN MARCH OF 2018.
UM, LATER THE, UH, THE APPLICANTS, UH, CAME FORWARD AND ASKED FOR AMEND, UM, ZONING CONDITION AND REALLY THAT RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF LOTS OF BALANCE BETWEEN TOWNHOUSE LOTS AND SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
THIS SECTION UNDER REVIEW TONIGHT IS A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION SECTION, UM, DETACHED, NOT ATTACHED.
UM, THE TENTATIVE PLAZA PRE PREVIOUSLY WERE FOR 476 LOTS AND IN JUNE OF 20 19, 491 LOTS.
UH, THE ONE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UM, IT'S FOR 470, I'M SORRY, 497 LOTS.
UH, THE PROFFERED OVERALL DENSITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IS 500 AGE RESTRICTED UNITS, WHICH, SO WE'RE STILL WITHIN COMPLIANCE OF ALLOWED LOTS.
UM, AS I OUT, UH, LAID OUT BEFORE, REALLY THERE'S A REASON FOR THIS CHANGE NECESSITATE BY SOMEWHAT, SOMEWHAT WHAT'S BEEN ENCOUNTERED ON THE SITE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
UM, THE RE RECONFIGURED LAYOUT ALSO RELOCATE THE STUB ROAD, ELIMINATING ROAD AND REVISE THE STUB ROAD LOCATION.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE FEEL REALLY NEEDS TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UH, TO EVALUATE THE, UM, CHANGE IN THE TENTATIVE LAYOUT.
STAFF DOES CONSIDER THAT THE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
IT ALSO MEETS SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
SO STAFF HAS RE RECOMMEND CERTAIN CONDITIONS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE ZONING PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THOSE ARE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IF YOU WOULD LIKE, STAFF COULD GO THROUGH THOSE CONDITIONS, BUT GENERALLY YOU'RE REGARDING THE, AS WE TYPICALLY DO WITH CONDITIONS, DEVELOP THE, UM, ENSURE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TAKES PLACE IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR ORDINANCES.
ONE THING IS TO ENSURE ALSO THAT THAT SUB ROAD LOCATION IS CONVERTED TO OPEN SPACE, UM, EVENTUALLY, UH, AS THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS.
SO OF COURSE STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AS WELL.
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MR. CASH, YOU SAID THAT THE, UH, NEW LOCATION OF STU ROAD IS ON THE SAME OWNED IS BY THE SAME OWNER, BUT THE LOT, RIGHT? IT'S TWO, UM, SIDE BY STONE PARCELS OWNED BY THE SAME INDIVIDUALS.UM, THE LOCATION WOULD SEEMINGLY BY ITS LOCATION BE ABLE TO STILL SERVE EITHER PARCEL STILL HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF JUST TAKING THIS AWAY.
IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT AWAY THAT DON'T HAVE, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS PLANNED ON CONNECT THAT WAY.
THE HOWEVER THE ACCESS, THE WAY THE ACCESS IS DONE STILL DOES COMPLY WITH OUR REQUIREMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD PREFER TO MAINTAIN THE ACCESS WE RECOGNIZE BY THE EXISTING DEVELOPED LOTS AROUND IT AS WELL AS WHAT HAS BEEN ENCOUNTERED, WHICH WOULD CAUSE A VERY AWKWARD ROAD SITUATION.
UM, WE SU WE SUPPORT, UM, STAFF SUPPORTERS OF THE CHANGE.
WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN THE UTILITY, UM, MORTAR AND SEWER, UM, PIPE, LOCATIONS AND EASEMENTS THROUGH THERE AS WELL.
FIRE AND RESCUE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE YES SIR CAPACITY.
RIGHT? THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE CHANGE.
A QUESTION, DOES THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? NO.
MY NAME'S JONATHAN RAD WITH H H HUNT.
UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF REPORT AND BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, UH, ON THIS FOR QUITE A, QUITE A LONG TIME, UH, SINCE WE ENCOUNTERED THE ROCK ISSUES ON THE SITE.
SO WE APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT THEY'VE PUT INTO IT AND HELPING US THROUGH THE SITUATION SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE, UH, COMMUNITY AS WE, UH, CLOSE IT OUT.
IS THIS THE LAST SECTION THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO DEVELOP? WE HAVE ONE MORE SMALLER SECTION, WHICH I THINK IS AROUND 30 HOMES THAT WE'LL PROBABLY START DEVELOPING LATER THIS YEAR.
SO YOU'RE STAYING UNDER YOUR OR AT YOUR NUMBER? YES, SIR.
WE'LL BE UNDER OUR, UM, TOTAL DENSITY CAP FOR THE PROJECT.
ANY, UH, COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS? MOTION.
I MOVE, I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED OR REVISE REVISED TENTATIVE PLAN.
PLATT, M A J T 2 22 0 0 0 0 7 FOR MOSAIC AT WEST CREEK, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS PRESENTED A SECOND.
ALL IF FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
APPROVED THE MOTION TO APPROVE PASSES ON A FOUR OH VOTE.
ALL RIGHT, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND WHILE I CHANGE AROUND OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. YEAH, WE'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE.
UH, THESE TWO CASES WE WILL BE HEARING ARE COMPANION CASES.
STAFF WILL BE MAKING A COMBINED PRESENTATION.
EACH ITEM WILL REQUIRE A SEPARATE MOTION AND VOTE.
DISTRICT FIVE, RZ 20 23 10 APPLICATION BY HERMITAGE COUNTRY CLUB INCORPORATED REQUESTING
[4. District 5 - RZ-2023-00010 - Application by Hermitage County Club, Incorporated requesting rezoning]
REZONING OF A 3.813 ACRE PORTION OF 9.574 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL GENERAL R THREE TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO WITH CRAWFORD CONDITIONS AT THREE QUAIL RUN DRIVE ON TAX MAP NUMBER 58 21 C NINE ZERO.THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.
THE COMPANION CASE CU 20 23 11 APPLICATION BY HERMITAGE COUNTRY CLUB INCORPORATED REQUESTING
[5. District 5 - CU-2023-00011 - Application by Hermitage Country Club Incorporated requesting an amendment to Conditional Use Permit (CUP)]
AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, C U P K C U 19 71 2 FOR GOLF COURSE DRIVING RANGE AND COUNTRY CLUB TO ADD A 3.813 ACRE PORTION OF 9.574 ACRES AT THREE QUAIL RUN DRIVE ON TAX MAP NUMBER 58 21 C NINE ZERO.THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL GENERAL R THREE, BUT IN COMPANION CASE, RZ 2310.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE PROPERTY BE REZONED TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TWO WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
THE C U P IS REQUIRED IN THE AG AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO DISTRICT BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 1 12.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.
AGAIN, UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS RAY HATCH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES, THE DESCRIPTION INSIDE THE, THE AD MAY BE MORE, UM, LONGER THAN, UH, WHAT WILLIE HAS PROPOSED HERE.
UM, AS SHE MENTIONED, THERE IS TWO CASES.
UH, FIRST IS THE REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL GENERAL R THREE TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO.
AND THEN THE SECOND IS TO AMEND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THAT'S REALLY RELATED TO THE ADJACENT HERMITAGE GOLF COURSE.
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THE COUNTY IS GENERALLY, UH, EASTERN CENTRAL PART OF THE COUNTY.UM, WHAT I'VE OUTLINED HERE IN THE AERIAL, IF YOU CAN SEE THE AREA OUTLINED IN YELLOW, THAT IS THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING REZONED.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A LOT AS WE'LL SEE IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
INSIDE THE BROAD RUN SUBDIVISION, THE REMAINDER OF THE LOT, SO YOU SEE THE YELLOW AGAIN HERE, THE REMAINDER OF THE LOT IS, WOULD STILL BE VIABLE AND BUILDABLE AND NEEDS TO BE.
ONCE THIS ZONING IS TAKEN PLACE, IT WOULD BE SPLIT AND ADDED TO THE COUNTRY CLUB, UH, PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE PROFFERS AND CONDITIONS.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS AREA IS RULE ENHANCEMENT.
UH, THERE'S A COUPLE PODS OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE SURROUNDED, UM, BY THE GOLF COURSE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
SO THE FIRST REZONING REQUEST IS TO ASK FOR A REZONING OF A PORTION OF THE 9.571 ACRE, A PORTION OF 3.813 ACRES.
THE INTENT OF THIS BY THE APPLICANT IS TO ADD THE REZONED PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO THE HERMITAGE COUNTRY CLUB FOR GOLF COURSE USE.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROFFERED, UM, SPECIFIC PROVISIONS AND THAT RELATES TO THE PARCEL PLATT AND CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WE'LL SHOW IN A SECOND.
THEY'VE ALSO LIMITED AND EXCLUDED OTHER A TWO USES FOR THE PROPERTY, SAYING THAT THE PROPERTY WE'VE ONLY USED AS, UH, A PART OF A DRIVING RANGE LANDING AREA OR A CHAMPIONSHIP TEE BOX FOR THE GOLF COURSE.
UM, SO THAT ENSURES OVER THE LONG TERM, UM, THAT IT WILL STAY EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
THEY'RE ALSO OFFERING LIMITED IMPROVEMENTS PERMITTED ON SITE.
THIS WAS THE CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'VE TAKEN A DONE A PROFFER TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE REALLY NOT GONNA DEVELOP THE PROPERTY OR PUT A LOT OF STRUCTURES ON IT, LIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THEY'RE ADDITIONALLY PROVIDING A 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE NORTHEASTERN PROPERTY LINE THAT'LL BE ADJACENT TO THE REMAINING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OF, OF BROAD RUN SUBDIVISION.
SO BEFORE YOU ON THE LEFT IS THE PLAT THAT WAS SUBMITTED IS EXHIBIT A.
I'VE OUTLINED IN RED HERE, REALLY THE 50 FOOT BUFFER AS SEEN IT WOULD SEPARATE THE AREA, UM, BETWEEN, FROM THE EX, THE REMAINING RESIDENTIAL PARCELS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY IT ALSO SERVES AS A GOOD LITTLE EXTRA PROTECTION FOR ANY TYPE OF, UM, BALLS THAT MAY COME IN THE AREA OR A TYPE OF ACTIVITY.
UM, WE FURTHER CONDITION THAT PROFFER IN THE CONDITIONAL USE CASE.
I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT ON THE OVERALL SORT OF SITE LAYOUT FOR HOW THIS OPERATES.
THIS UPPER AREA HERE, THIS STRANGE POLYGON, IS THE AREA THAT'S UNDER REVIEW.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DR, IT'S FOR A DRIVING RANGE SO THAT TYPICALLY THE BALLS WOULD BE LANDED BACK THERE.
THERE'S ALSO REFERENCE IN THE PROFFERS, THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO PUT OTHER TYPES OF NETTING OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF FEATURE UP TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, UM, PROTECTING THE HOUSES AND KEEPING THE BALLS FROM GOING IN THAT BUFFER ALL THE TIME.
MOVING ON TO THE CONDITIONAL USE, UH, PORTION, UM, THAT'S BEING PRESENTED THAT CASE TONIGHT.
THERE WAS A PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON THIS PROPERTY BACK IN 1971.
THIS IS BACK WHEN CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS WOULD BE HEARD BY THIS BOARD OF ZONING, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
UM, AND THAT WAS FOR A GOLF COURSE AND COUNTRY CLUB USE ON THE PROPERTY.
THE C A P INCLUDED A VARIETY OF CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE OPERATION, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GOLF COURSE, COUNTRY CLUB.
UM, THOSE CONDITIONS WILL REMAIN, UM, COMING FORWARD TONIGHT.
UM, THOSE WERE REALLY ABOUT NEED TO CONNECT TO A ROAD HERE.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW YOU GET YOUR WATER AND THAT YOU'RE UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE VARIOUS STATE AUTHORITIES, WHICH THEY WOULD BE TODAY AS WELL.
UH, THERE WAS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY, WHICH WE USED FOR DRIVING RANGE LANDING OR CHAMPIONSHIP TEE BOX FOR THE GOLF COURSE AREA.
AND I'LL SAY THAT WE WANT TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY.
UM, SO ALL THE EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, CONDITIONS WILL REMAIN.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR TWO NEW CONDITIONS AND THAT'S RELATING TO THE PRESERVATION, MAINTENANCE AND PERMITTED ACTIVITY WITHIN THE 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE NORTHEASTERN PROPERTY.
IT GOES ALONG WITH THE, ITS CIRCUM COMPANION TO THE PROFFER THAT THEY'VE PRESENTED.
IT JUST GIVES US THE ABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT VISIBLE SCREEN STAYS MAINTAINED.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE REQUIREMENT THAT THIS NEW PROPERTY BE GIVEN OVER OR ADDED TO THE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY.
UM, WHICH THAT WAY IT'S EASILY MAINTAINED UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP MANAGEMENT AND, UH, EASILY WE CAN TIE THE TWO CONDITIONAL USES, TOGE THE CONDITIONAL USE TOGETHER IN A CONDITIONAL USE ACTIVITY.
SO OF COURSE, STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR THE QUE.
ANY QUESTIONS? AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE, UH, MR. CASH WHO CURRENTLY OWNS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY? UM, I BELIEVE CURRENTLY IT'S MR. UM, I, I, IT'S, UH, IT'S RIGHT ON THE TIP OF MY TONGUE CURRENT IN IT.
SORRY, IT'S RIGHT ON THE TIP OF MY TONGUE AS WELL.
MR. NO, UH, MR. BRAND SOLD IT.
I WAS THINKING MR. BRAN, SO IT, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UM, IT SAYS NOT, NOT MR. BRATT, IT WAS MR. BRATT.
IT'S NOT HIS NOW LEMME PULL THE PLATT.
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WHO? JERRY'S LONDON.AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS BASICALLY AN EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING DRIVING RANGE, RIGHT? ADDING MOORE? YES.
AND AN ADAM MOORE AREA, UM, FOR A LANDING AREA.
IS THE APPLICANT WANT TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? MY NAME IS ROSS.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WANTED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, UH, DIRECTLY FROM THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE.
WHAT'S THE YARDAGE, TOTAL YARDAGE THAT WAS INDICATED ON THE, ON THE PLAN.
I, I DON'T KNOW REALLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO EXTEND IT TO ABOUT 350 YARDS.
ALRIGHT, WELL WITHIN YOUR RANGE.
DO THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? SO NONE OUR CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE? MS. JACKSON SHOULD BE, UH, SHOULD BE MOTION ON THIS INDIVIDUALLY OR, OR HERE.
UM, SO YOU JUST HAD THE ONE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN THE TWO MOTIONS AND THE REZONING WOULD COME FIRST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GIVES IT THE ZONING TO ALLOW THE C U P I MOVE THE COMMISSION APPROVAL.
THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING RZ 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 1 0 FOR A 3.1 3.813 ACRE PORTION OF 9.74 ACRES ON THREE QUAIL RUN DRIVE FROM REGISTER RESIDENTIAL GENERAL R THREE TO AGRICULTURAL LIMI LIMITED A TWO WITH PROPER CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
DO WE HAVE, OH, WHO IS THE SECOND? MYSELF.
THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A FOUR OH VOTE.
THIS CASE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023 WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
OUR NEXT, OH, AND THEN WE NEED OUR CONDITIONAL USE MOTION AND VOTE FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE COMPANION.
DO WE, DO WE NEED TO HEAR IT IN INDIVIDUALLY? I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
I GUESS YOU JUST TO MAKE SURE.
I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU 2 0 2 3 0 0 0 1 1 FOR GOLF COURSE DRIVING RANGE AND COUNTRY CLUB AT THREE QUA QUAIL RUN DRIVE, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
WHAT'S NEXT? OUR NEXT ITEM IS DISTRICT ONE C U 20 23 9.
[1. District 1 - CU-2023-00009 - Application by Lindsey and Casey Davenport requesting a Conditional Use Permit (CUP)]
AND CASEY DAVENPORT REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, C U P FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT ON 8.05 ACRES AT 5 4 2 5 RIVER ROAD WEST ON TAX MAP NUMBER 26 2 0 2 F.THE PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL A ONE.
THE C U P IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 1 0 2 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15 285 A.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.
MEMBERS COMMISSION TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, AS MS. PARKER SAID, UH, THIS APPLICATION IS A, A CONDITION, CONDITION USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT.
UM, THIS IS LOCATED IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
UM, LOOKING AT THE AERO PHOTO, THE AREA DOES SORT OF REFLECT A LOW DENSITY RURAL RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURALLY.
UM, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES EITHER SHARE THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING AND SOME OF THEM ARE ZONED OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, THIS APPLICATION IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA LAND USE DESIGNATION.
UH, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD IN JUNE,
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UH, ONE PROPERTY, ONE ADJACENT PROPERTY UNDER ATTENDED AND EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THE C U P.JUST A QUICK, UH, SUMMARY OF THE APPLICATION.
IT IS ABOUT AN 80 ACRE PARCEL.
UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING ABOUT 1600 SQUARE FOOT, UH, DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS, UH, CONSTRUCTED IN 2018.
UH, THEY ARE REQUESTING TO, UH, CONSTRUCT A ABOUT AN EIGHT TO 900 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED DWELLING.
UH, THEY'D INDICATED THAT, UH, ONE OF THEIR PARENTS WILL BE RESIDING IN THE DWELLING.
UM, THEY ALSO SAID THEY MAY USE IT AS THEIR PRIVATE OFFICE.
UH, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT AND WOULD NOT REQUIRE A C E P APPROVAL.
UM, THE CONDITIONS YOU'LL SEE WITH THIS, THERE'S THE SIMILAR TO THESE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS.
THE FIRST ONE WOULD ALLOW THE DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT.
UH, THE SECOND ONE WOULD REQUIRE THAT A RESIDENT OF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING RESIDE IN THE DWELLING.
UH, THE THIRD ONE WOULD, WOULD PROHIBIT THE SEPARATE RENTAL OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE DWELLING OF THE FOURTH ONE WOULD REQUIRE THE CARBON MONOXIDE AND SMOKE DETECTORS.
A FIFTH ONE WOULD REQUIRE, UH, MAINTAINING EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THE, TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UH, THE NUMBER SIX WOULD BE FOR, UH, FIVE YEAR APPROVAL.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS OUR STANDARD, UH, TRANSFER OF PROPERTY, UH, TO NOTIFY THE, THE COUNTY IN CASE THE THE PROPERTY'S TRANSFERRED.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? NO, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AM I ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? NONE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO I AIR A MOTION OR ANY DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE BOARD MEMBERS? I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU 2 0 2 3 DASH NINE FOR DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT AT 5 4 2 5 RIVER ROAD WEST, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A FOUR OH VOTE.
THIS CASE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023, WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS IN DISTRICT THREE CU 20 23 8.
APPLICATION BY WILLIAM AND ASHLEY HINES REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, C U P FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT ON 3.16 ACRES AT 24 86.
LOG CABIN ROAD ON TAX MAP NUMBER 43 20 0 9 0.
THE PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TWO.
THE C U P IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 1 12.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15 2 85 A, THE APPLICANTS ARE SEEKING AN EXCEPTION TO SECTION 15 2 85, A TWO REQUIRING ONLY PERSONS RELATED TO A RESIDENT OF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING TO RESIDE IN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING.
A THREE PROHIBITING RENTAL OF THE SECOND DWELLING SEPARATELY FROM THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT.
AGAIN, TOM COMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER.
UM, AS MS. PARKER SAID, THIS IS A VERY QUEST FOR CONDITION USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY HOUSING UNIT.
AND THEY ARE REQUESTING TWO EXCEPTIONS FOR THE USE STANDARDS AS THEY APPLY TO THE DETACHED ACCESSORY HOUSING UNITS.
I'LL GO INTO THAT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
UH, THIS IS CENTRALLY LOCATED JUST OUTSIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
UM, SEE FROM THE ARROW PHOTO THAT THIS IS LOCATED IN A, A RURAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, JUST OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.
AND IT DOES REFLECT SORT OF A LOW DENSITY RURAL RESIDENTIAL CHARACTERISTIC.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ALL SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED AGRICULTURALLY AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED AS A RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN.
UM, THIS IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH RURAL ENHANCEMENT LAND USE.
UH, DESIGNATION OF THE CONFERENCE PLAN DOES SUPPORT STRATEGIES TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR VARIED HOUSING TYPES.
UM, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD IN JUNE.
UH, THE ATTENDEES HAD NO CONCERNS AND EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THE APPLICATION.
THIS IS ABOUT A THREE ACRE PARCEL.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, OR THE, THE, THE MAIN PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, UH, THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING IS ABOUT 2,700 SQUARE FEET IN, IN SIZE.
AND THE APPLICANTS HAVE INDICATE, HAVE IN INDICATED THEIR INTENTION TO CONTINUE LIVING IN THAT PRINCIPAL DWELLING.
UH, THERE IS A DETACHED STRUCTURE.
UM, IT'S SHOWN IN THE ARROW PHOTO THERE.
UM, IT'S ABOUT 1600 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
UH, THE DOWNSTAIRS IS UNFINISHED, ABOUT 800 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
UH, THE UPSTAIRS, THE LIVING SPACE UPSTAIRS IS ABOUT 1800, ABOUT 800 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
IT INCLUDES TWO BEDROOMS, A FULL BATH, A KITCHEN, AND A LIVING ROOM.
UH, THE UPSTAIRS WAS APPROVED FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT IN 1997, AND IT WAS FORMERLY USED AS
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THE HOME OFFICE FOR THE OWNER'S SMALL BUSINESS UNTIL THE RETIREMENT IN 2021.UH, SO THERE IS NO NEW CONSTRUCTION PLANNED.
UM, IF THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, THERE IS A WAIVER REQUEST FROM THE USE STANDARDS.
UH, TYPICALLY WHEN THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION COMES BEFORE THE PLAN COMMISSION, IT IS FOR A DETESTED ACCESSORY UNIT FOR A FAMILY MEMBER.
UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEEKING TWO WAIVERS.
UM, THEY ARE SEEKING, UH, A WAIVER FROM THE REQUIREMENT THAT ONLY PERSONS RELATED TO A RESIDENT OF THE PRINCIPAL'S DWELLING CAN RESIDE IN, IN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING, OR ONLY SOMEONE RELATED TO THE RESIDENT OF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING CAN RESIDE IN ASSESSOR DWELLING.
AND THEY'RE ALSO REQUESTING A WAIVER, UM, FROM THEIR PROHIBITION OF RENTAL OF THE SECOND DWELLING, UH, SEPARATELY FROM THE MAIN HOUSE.
UH, THERE IS ONE, UH, LIMITATION THAT IT WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
UM, THE, THE SEPTIC DRAIN FIELD ON THE SITE SERVES BOTH STRUCTURES, AND IT DOES HAVE A CAPACITY LIMIT OF SIX PEOPLE.
UH, THEREFORE THE, THE AGGREGATE, THE TOTAL OCCUPANCY OF THE SITE WILL BE LIMITED, STRICTLY LIMITED TO THAT SIX.
UM, SO WITH THE CONDITIONS, A COUPLE OF THESE ARE FAMILIAR TO THE PLAN COMMISSION, AND I'LL TAKE A SECOND TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS THAT, UM, THAT ARE MORE UNIQUE TO THIS APPLICATION.
UH, THE FIRST ONE WOULD ALLOW THE ACHED ACCESSORY HOUSING UNIT ON THE PROPERTY.
THE SECOND ONE WOULD, UH, REQUIRE THE CARBON MONOXIDE AND THE SMOKE DETECTOR.
UM, THE THIRD ONE WOULD ALLOW THE, UH, MAINTENANCE OF THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS, UH, TO THE ACCESSORY, UM, LIVING UNIT.
UH, NUMBER FOUR, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE IS A, A, AN OVERNIGHT OCCUPANCY LIMIT.
AND SO NUMBER FOUR WOULD LIMIT THEM TO SIX PEOPLE UNTIL SUCH TIME IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY WERE TO EXPAND THE DRAIN FIELD, THEY COULD EXPAND IT UP TO 10 PEOPLE.
UM, NUMBER FIVE IS THE, THE USE STANDARD EXCEPTIONS THAT I MENTIONED.
SO THIS, IF THIS, UH, C E P IS GRANTED WITH THESE CONDITIONS, NUMBER FIVE INCLUDES THOSE TWO WAIVERS OR THOSE TWO EXCEPTIONS, UH, THAT I WENT OVER A MOMENT AGO.
AND AGAIN, UH, IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A, A FIVE YEAR APPROVAL TO SEPTEMBER, 2028.
AND THEN OUR STANDARD, UH, CONDITION, UH, REGULATING THE TRANSFER OR OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
BE HAPPY TO, UH, TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTION.
HAVE, HAVE WE ALLOW THOSE TWO EXCEPTIONS BEFORE IN THESE CASES? I'M SORRY? HAVE THEY HAVE THOSE EXCEPTIONS? THOSE TWO EXCEPTIONS BEEN ALLOWED BEFORE.
UH, THERE WE'RE, THERE'S ONE OTHER DWELLING UNIT IN THE COURTHOUSE THAT'S COMPARABLE TO THIS AND IT WORKS WELL.
HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT ONE APPROVED? UM, THAT HAS COME FOR ONE RENEWAL WAS, UM, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THE DATES, BUT THERE WAS AN APPROVAL IN THE PAST AND IT DID COME FORWARD WITH A RENEWAL, UM, I THINK TWO YEARS AGO AND IT WAS RENEWED.
UH, DO YOU KNOW WHY, WHY THESE REQUIREMENTS WERE PUT IN THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONER USE PERMIT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF? YEAH, I MEAN, ACTUALLY THE, WHEN A PART OF THE ORDINANCE REWRITE THAT WE DID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UM, THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO SORT OF, UM, EXPAND, UM, HOUSING THE VARIETY OF THE, THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE HOUSING.
SO THE IDEA WAS TO PUT CONDITIONS IN THE CODE TO ALLOW FAMILY HOUSING UNITS.
SO WHILE THEY, THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY ADDED TO THE CODE.
IN FACT, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO AN ATTACHED UNIT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET A, A JUST USE PERMIT.
BUT WITH THAT, THEY ALSO DID SPECIFICALLY PUT IN A WAIVER PROVISION SAYING WITH THE C U P APPROVAL, UM, THAT SOMEONE COULD REQUEST WAIVER FROM THESE USE STANDARDS.
AND THAT'S THE APPLICATION YOU SEE BEFORE YOU.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? UM, YES.
I'D JUST LIKE TO INTRODUCE, PLEASE COME UP AND GIVE YOU A NAME AND ADDRESS.
Y'ALL COULD PROBABLY HEAR ME ANYWAY.
UM, I'M ASHLEY HINES AND I'M HERE TONIGHT WITH MY HUSBAND WILLIAM HINES, SITTING IN THE BACK RIGHT CORNER THERE.
UM, WE RESIDE AT 24 86 LOG CABIN ROAD SINCE OUR RETIREMENT IN 21, JUST HE AND I ARE LIVING THERE.
THERE'S NO ONE ELSE LIVING IN THE MAIN RESIDENCE, SO WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A STRESS ON ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.
AND THEN WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION AND UNDERSTAND THE CONDITIONS.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK CLOSE? THE PUBLIC COMMENT? UM, THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, WELL,
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THE STATUTE WAS PUT THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR A REASON, UH, I GUESS THE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TO RESTRICT, UH, I GUESS, UM, A A LOT OF, UH, RENTAL PROPERTY IN, YOU KNOW, IN IN, IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND ET CETERA.UM, I CAN STRICTLY SYMPATHIZE WITH THE, UH, WITH, WITH THE APPLICANT.
BUT WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS WE'RE GONNA SET UP, THIS WILL SET A PRECEDENT.
I'M SURPRISED THAT THE LAST WAIVER DIDN'T.
UM, AND YOU'RE GONNA, AND YOU'RE GONNA, FUTURE CASES ARE GONNA SAY, WELL, YOU APPROVED THAT ONE.
WHY CAN'T YOU APPROVE MINE? I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
YEAH, I, I MEAN, I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE FACT THAT THEY'VE GOT A FACILITY THAT'S SORT OF VACANT, BUT, UH, UH, THE ORDINANCE IS PRETTY CLEAR, UH, ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
UM, AND, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN THE OTHER ONE WAS APPROVED.
NO, THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER THAT'S MENTIONED.
THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER I DON'T ONE OTHER ONE.
YEAH, SO I'M, I JUST THINK IT'S A, UH, ONCE YOU START, YOU KNOW, LETTING THE COW AT THE BARN AND YOU'RE LETTING A LOT OF THEM OUT AND, UH, UH, I THINK THIS IS A, ONE OF THOSE ISSUES WHERE IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF STICK WITH WHAT THE, THE CODE REQUIRES AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ZONING.
MAY I MAKE ONE FURTHER COMMENT? YOU, ANYBODY? IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT HEAR ANYTHING FROM THE APPLICANT.
THE ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T MENTION, AND I I DO UNDERSTAND Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION.
I DO, THE OTHER THING I DIDN'T MENTION, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IN THIS DAY AND TIME, THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME THAT THIS SITUATION WOULD COME UP.
UM, MY HUSBAND AND I DID HAVE OUR OWN BUSINESS.
WE HAD OUR PERMIT FOR OUR BUSINESS IN GOLAN.
UNFORTUNATELY WE RETIRED WITH ONLY SOCIAL SECURITY.
AND WHAT HE AND I DRAW TOGETHER WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO CONTINUE LIVING IN OUR HOME IN GLAND.
AND OUR HOPE IS TO LIVE AND DIE THERE, SO TO SPEAK.
OF COURSE, ONE DAY WE MAY END UP IN THE OLD FOLKS HOME, WE REALIZE THAT, BUT FOR THE NEXT FORESEEABLE FUTURE, AND WE THINK IN LONG TERM AS THREE TO FIVE YEARS ANYWAY, EVEN AT OUR AGE OF 70, 72, THAT WE WOULD BE REMAINING HERE AND WE'D LIKE TO STAY IN GOOCHLAND.
IT'S A FIVE YEAR, IS IT A FIVE YEAR? FIVE YEAR? UH, YEAH.
THIS IS, THIS IS A FIVE YEAR APPLICATION.
I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.
UM, BUT IT'S A 34 LOT SUBDIVISION AND, AND OVER HALF OF 'EM HAVE TO DRIVE BY TO SIGN THE, UH, ZONING REQUEST SIGN TO GET IN THERE.
IF THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORS DOING IT, I THINK THEY WOULD CERTAINLY BE HERE TO, UH, BE IN OPPOSITION.
UM, ALWAYS, WE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR A SINGLE PERSON OR WHO, WHO COULD BE A TEACHER OR A RESCUE MEMBER OR A SHERIFF DEPARTMENT OR, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
SO I MEAN, IT, IT'S, UH, IT SERVES A PURPOSE.
I MEAN, IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT IN, IN SOME SUBDIVISION, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS A, I GUESS THIS IS ABOUT A 35 OR A 40 YEAR OLD SUBDIVISION.
AND, AND NO ONE IS HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION AGAINST IT.
UM, DO YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION? WE DID FOR YEARS WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE.
BUT THAT WAS AS SOON AS WE HAD THE ROAD SURFACED THAT WAS DISSOLVED.
I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS THAT, THAT, BUT I MEAN, EVERY CASE WOULD COME BEFORE, UM, PLANNING, COMMISSIONING, AND SUPERVISORS.
UM, THAT'S THE NICE THING ABOUT IT BEING A C U P.
I, I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU DASH 2023 DASH 0 0 0 0 8 FOR DE A DETACHED ACCESSORY HOUSING UNIT AT 2 4 8 6
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LOG CABIN ROAD, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.I'LL SECOND IT SINCE THIS IS A FIVE YEAR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, I THINK I'LL, UH, I'LL VOTE FOR IT.
WELL, I'M GLAD THE REST OF YOU GONNA VOTE FOR IT.
THIS JUST ON THE PRINCIPLE I'M GONNA BOARD AGAINST.
I'M, I'M CERTAINLY, I'M CERTAINLY GLAD IT'S, UM, MOST OF YOU ARE FOR IT.
MR. MYERS BEG WHAT? JUST A ROLL CALL.
THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A THREE ONE VOTE.
THIS CASE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023, WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS DI DISTRICT THREE RZ 20 23 7 APPLICATION BY INGRID E VETTER REQUESTING REZONING OF 10 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL
[3. District 3 - RZ-2023-00007 - Application by Ingrid E. Vetter requesting rezoning of 10 acres]
LIMITED, A TWO TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS TO CREATE ONE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL LOT AT 1600 BEAVER DAM CREEK ROAD ON TAX MAP NUMBER 55 18 0 13.THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT.
YOU WILL ALSO FIND ON THE DAAS, UM, IN, IN, UH, REVISED PROFFERS.
AND THOSE REVISED PROFFERS WILL REQUIRE A WAIVER OF THE DEADLINE.
DO I HEAR I, UH, APPROVAL FOR A WAIVER? YOU'RE WELCOME TO WAIT TILL AFTER THE CASE IF YOU LIKE.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, LET'S DO IT NOW SO WE CAN GET THAT.
SO WE CAN, I I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, WE, UH, APPROVE, UH, THE, UH, THE WAIVER OF TIME LIMIT FOR THE PROPERS AS PRESENTED.
ALL IN FAVOR? SECOND FIVE BY SAYING AYE.
THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE VOTE ON THE CONDITION, JUST THE TIME ON IT.
FOR CONSIDERATION, THANK YOU AGAIN.
THE MEMBERS'S COMMISSION, TOM COH, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, AS MS. PARKER SAID, THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION OF 10 ACRES.
THEY'RE REQUESTING REZONING FROM AN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO CREATE A NEW, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING LOT.
UH, THIS IS SORT OF LOCATED CENTRALLY IN THE COUNTY.
UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN THE DEERFIELD SUBDIVISION.
AND LOOKING AT THE ARROW PHOTO, AGAIN, THIS IS LOCATED IN A LOW DENSITY SORT OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONE AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED, SHARE THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ALL SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ALSO SHARE THAT ROLE ENHANCEMENT DESIGNATION, ROLE ENHANCEMENT AREA DESIGNATION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, THIS APPLICATION IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE ROLE ENHANCEMENT AREA LAND USE DESIGNATION.
UH, THERE WAS A COMM COMMUNITY MEETING IN JUNE.
THERE WERE SIX ATTENDEES, INCLUDING PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, UCK AND MYERS.
UM, THE ATTENDEES EXPRESSED NO CONCERN AT THAT TIME AND CONVEYED THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS REQUEST.
UM, SINCE SUBSEQUENT TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, STAFF HAS RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE.
WE'VE RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT AND THREE LETTERS HAVE EXPRESSED OPPOSITION.
UH, GENERALLY THE OPPOSITION LETTERS HAVE OBJECTED TO THE CREATING OF AN ADDITIONAL LOT, UM, THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
UM, AGAIN, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CREATE ONE NEW VACANT FOUR ACRE LOT.
UM, THE INTENT IS TO SELL A SIX ACRE PARCEL THAT HAS THE HOUSE ON IT.
AND TO RETAIN THE, THE APPLICANT INDICATED THEY WOULD RETAIN THE VACANT FOUR ACRE LOT, UH, FOR THEIR PERSONAL USE.
UM, THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT THE SIX ACRES IS REQUIRED TO KEEP THE DWELLING AND THE DASK GARAGE, THE DRAIN FIELD, THE DRIVEWAY, AND, UH, ALL IN THE SAME LOT.
UM, THERE IS AN EASEMENT FOR THE NEW LOT TO MAINTAIN ACCESS TO BEAVER DAM ROAD WITH THE, THE CREATION OF ONE NEW LOT.
UM, THERE IS NO CAPITAL IMPACT MODEL IMPACT, SO THERE'S NO CASH PROFFER ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
AND WHAT YOU HAVE FOR YOU ON THE SCREEN, UM, WOULD BE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT'S COMMIT THAT'S SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.
UM, IT SHOWS THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THE, THE DRIVEWAY AND THE, THE, THE, THE, THE FARMHOUSE OR THE GARAGE AND ITS PROXIMITY TO BEAVER DAM CREEK ROAD.
UM, ALSO SHOW THAT, UH, IT THE, THE, THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY ABOUT BLAKELY ROAD, WHICH IS A PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, ONE OF THE CHANGES THEY MADE TO THE PROFFERS THAT YOU WAIVED THE TIME LIMITS ON EARLIER WAS TO PROHIBIT ACCESS TO THAT PRIVATE ROAD AGAIN.
UM, THE WOULD BE ABLE TO CREATE TWO NEW LOTS.
THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE WOULD BE ABOUT FIVE ACRES FOR THE TWO LOTS.
THERE WAS ONE, UH, COMPARABLE REZONING APPROVED IN DEERFIELD IN 2005 TO CREATE
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A NEW BUILDING LOT.UM, THAT CREATED TWO BUILDING LOTS THAT WERE ABOUT FOUR ACRES IN SIZE.
BUT THOSE WERE 2005 RULES, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT THAN, UM, THAN UM, THE 2 20, 23 RULES FOR OUR, OUR ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, THE ADJOINING AND NEARBY PROPERTIES ARE ALL IN EITHER THE DEERFIELD OR THE HILLCREST SUBDIVISIONS.
THEY RANGE IN SIZE FROM ABOUT 2.1 TO 10.4 ACRES.
UM, THE MEDIAN AND REALLY THE PLURALITY OF THE LOTS ARE ABOUT FIVE ACRES IN SIZE.
UM, AGAIN, THE, THE, UM, THE PROFFERS THAT, UH, ARE IN CONSIDERATION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THEY DID PROFFER TO LIMIT THE SUBDIVISION TO TWO LOTS.
UM, THE PROPERTY WE'D BE GENERALLY, UH, DEVELOP GENERALLY, AS YOU SAW IN THE EXCEPTION PLAN, THEY REVIEWED EARLIER AND AGAIN, THAT THEY ADDED THAT CONDITION THAT, UM, ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WOULD BE PROVIDED FOR BE BEDA CREEK ROAD AND THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO BLAKELY ROAD.
AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? I DON'T HAVE REALLY TOO MUCH TO ADD QUESTION.
MY NAME IS INGRID E VETER, AND, UM, I'M JUST ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO DO THIS.
UM, AND I KNOW I HAVE SOME OP UH, OPPOSITION FROM TWO NEIGHBORS, BUT I, I DON'T, I'M NOT ASKING TO DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.
I'D LIKE TO KEEP THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR MY GRANDDAUGHTER.
AND, UH, MRS. VEDER, I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT REQUEST.
IS, IS THE INTENT FOR A FAMILY SUBDIVISION, EXCUSE ME, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS, IS THE INTENT FOR A FAMILY SUBDIVISION FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS? UH, UH, YES.
HAVE YOU OWNED A PROPERTY LAW? PARDON ME? HAVE YOU BEEN THERE A LONG TIME? MY HUSBAND BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 1979.
AND I, YEAH, UH, IF THAT'S CONSIDERED A LONG TIME,
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
ALL ENOUGH FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I AM ONE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS OPPOSED TO IT.
I LIVE AT 1552 BEAVER DAM CREEK ROAD.
I RETIRED FROM MARKEL CORPORATION LAST YEAR.
AND, UM, MY WIFE AND I HAVE COMPLETELY RENOVATED OUR PROPERTY FROM WHAT WAS AN ABANDONED, UM, 10 ACRE ESTATE BY MISS, UM, CHRISTIE, WHO OWNED IT.
THEN SHE DIED IN HER ESTATE, SOLD IT TO US.
IT WAS OVERGROWN, FIVE FOOT TALL WEEDS.
IT WAS COMPLETELY DILAPIDATED HOUSE.
AND WE SPENT TWO YEARS PRACTICALLY REBUILDING AND RE RENOVATING THE PLACE TO MAKE IT EXCEPTIONAL GARDEN THAT IT IS.
MY WIFE PROMISED THE SON OF THE DECEASED THAT SHE WOULD MAKE IT A GARDEN CENTER AGAIN, LIKE HER DECEASED, UH, MOTHER HAD MADE IT.
SHE WAS A MASTER GARDENER IN GLAND.
AND WE HAVE PLANTED HUNDREDS OF BOXWOODS, HUNDREDS OF PEIS, HUNDREDS OF TREES ALL OVER, AND WE'VE CREATED AN ORCHARD AND A HUGE GARDEN.
AND, UM, IT'S JUST WE LIKE BEING IN OUR YARD AND OUR GARDEN, ENJOYING OUR TIME THERE.
UM, I'VE LIVED IN GOOCHLAND, IN HAYDENVILLE, SANDY HOOK, AND NOW CROSIER.
AND THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST SERENE, BEAUTIFUL PLACE WE'VE HAD.
UM, I WAS A RECREATION COMMISSIONER IN 2001 AND, UM, IT'S JUST HARD FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHY WHEN THERE'S A FAMILY, UM, WAY TO BREAK UP A PROPERTY AND SPLIT IT.
UM, IT HASN'T BEEN TAKEN, IT'S BEING REZONED.
UM, THE LAST TIME A REZONING TOOK PLACE AND A LOT WAS SPLIT ON BEAVER DAM CREEK ROAD.
UM, THERE WAS, UM, AN INCREASE OF NOISE, TRAFFIC, A T ATVS, GOLF CARTS,
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MINI BIKES, MOTORCYCLES, TRAIL BIKES UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.SOMEHOW I BECAME THE BAD GUY BY CALLING THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AFTER CALLING VDOT AND ASKING THEM TO PUT A NO AT T V SIGN ON BEAVER DAM CREEK ROAD.
VDOT TOLD ME, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT YOU CAN'T RIDE ATVS ON THE ROAD, SO THEY DON'T PUT SIGNS UP FOR IT.
SO THAT'S WHEN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CAME AND STEPPED IN AND THEY DID THEIR DUTY.
AND, AND THE, THE DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD STOPPED.
THEN, UM, AFTER THAT THIRD TIME WE HAD CALLED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THE AT T V DRIVERS, THE MINI BIKE DRIVERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE DECIDED TO HAVE A PROTEST PARADE FOR OUR BENEFIT, RIDING UP AND DOWN BACK AND FORTH WITH 20 OR SO ATVS, MOTORCYCLES, ANTIQUE CARS, ALL KINDS OF STUFF LIKE THUMBING THEIR NOSE AT US.
WE WERE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WOW, WHAT IS GOING ON? IT'S OKAY TO SCOFF AT THE LAW, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.
SO YOU ASK, WHY AM I TELLING YOU ALL THIS? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, MS. VEDER IS A VERY NICE LADY.
SHE HAS A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE DOG AND FOR SOME REASON SHE ALLOWED THIS GROUP OF A T V PEOPLE TO CREATE A TRAIL THROUGH HER PROPERTY.
THEN NOW CIRCUM CIRCUMVENT OUR WHOLE PROPERTY GOES AROUND IT.
IF YOU PULL UP THAT MAP AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE OUR PROPERTY IS.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, ON MOTHER'S DAY THIS YEAR, SOMEBODY PULLED IN AND STARTED DRIVING THEIR A T V AROUND THE HOUSE IN THE TRAIL DOWN BEAVER DAM CREEK ROAD ALL DAY.
SORRY, YOUR TIME WAS UP, SO, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TIME WITH THEM.
THOSE ARE LOTS OF THE REASONS I'VE GOT MORE, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
MY NAME'S FARLEY FITZGERALD AND I LIVE AT 1600 BEAVER DAM CREEK ROAD, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
UM, MY HUSBAND MIKE STREET IS ALSO HERE TONIGHT, AND INGRID BETTER IS A DEAR NEIGHBOR, DEAR FRIEND.
BUT WE ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, WE SENT A LETTER, UM, WE CAN ADD, UM, MORE DETAILS, UM, IF NEEDED, BUT THE PRIMARY REASONS FOR PRIVACY, UM, THE SUBDIVISION WITH BACK RIGHT UP TO OUR PROPERTY, UM, PRECEDENT IS ANOTHER CONCERN WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ALSO I BELIEVE, IS IT A COVENANT? I'M NOT QUITE SURE OF THE CORRECT TERM, BUT IT ACTUALLY PREVENTS ANY SUBDIVISION OF PROPERTIES IN DEERFIELD AS WELL.
SO WE RESPECTFULLY WANNA PUT IT IN THE RECORD TONIGHT THAT WE ARE OPPOSED TO IT.
ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING, THOMASINA.
I LIVE ON 1575 BEAVER DAM CREEK ROAD ACROSS FROM MY SISTER-IN-LAW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT BLOCK THAT GENTLEMAN LIVES ON, BUT IT ISN'T THE BLOCK I LIVE ON.
UM, I'VE OWNED THAT PROPERTY SINCE 1980.
I'VE MOVED ON THAT PROPERTY IN 1990.
WHEN I BOUGHT IT INITIALLY WAS 15 ACRES.
UM, MR. AND MRS. HAM, UH, BOUGHT THREE OF THOSE ACRES, SO IT WAS SUBDIVIDED IN 1980.
I STILL OWN THE 12 ACRES THAT ARE LEFT, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT SUBDIVISION HAS HAPPENED THERE BACK IN 1980.
ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? LADIES, ARE YOU SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE CASE? YES, SIR.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING.
MY HUSBAND ROBERT HAM IS HERE ALSO.
WE LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET NEXT TO TOM ZAR.
UM, OUR PROPERTY IS ALMOST EXACTLY ACROSS, UM, INGRID FEATHERS IN PROPERTY.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE 1980.
UM, THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A T V PROBLEMS. UM, THE ORIGINAL OWNER, UH, KEITH VEDER, GAVE ME PERMISSION TO RIDE MY HORSE THROUGH THERE.
UM, I DID NOT MAKE A TRAIL AND RIDE MY HORSE THROUGH THERE, BUT I DO NOT SEE HOW THAT CONFLICTS WITH HER PLAN TO, THEY WOULD, WHICH WOULD NOT INCLUDE ALLOWING NATE VS.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK HER.
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PLAN DOES NOT INVOLVE INCLUDING, UH, PERMISSION FOR ATVS TO GO THROUGH THERE.I HAVE HAD TROUBLE WITH THEM SINCE, UH, WE BUILT AND HAD HORSES AND ATVS CAME AND SCARED MY HORSES AND, AND, UH, RUINED SOME TRAILS THAT I HAD BEEN GIVEN PERMISSION TO USE, UM, AT THE END OF THE DEAD END OF THE ROAD.
AND, UM, I DID NOT RECEIVE MUCH HELP FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
UM, I I DIDN'T ASK THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, ACTUALLY, I DIDN'T EXPECT HELP, BUT, UM, THERE HAVE A, THE, THOSE ATVS HAVE LEFT.
UM, THEY'RE NOT, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I THINK MAYBE, UH, I DON'T EXPECT THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A PROBLEM NOW BECAUSE I'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, I WALK DAILY AND I'VE NOT ENCOUNTERED ANY.
AND SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM.
UM, I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF INGRID VET'S PROPOSAL.
UM, THE NEWEST NEIGHBOR I WAS FAMILIAR WITH, HIS PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT TO INGRID'S AND THE PREVIOUS TENANT, UH, SHE HAD A GARDEN.
UH, SHE KEPT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
UM, SHE KEPT, SHE TOOK CARE OF IT AND NOW MOST OF IT IS GROWN UP WILD.
UM, I, I HAPPY TO HAVE ORCHARDS THERE.
UH, I, UM, I'M REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT THE OPPOSITIONAL ARGUMENT IF YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET MORE CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHETHER THE ATVS WOULD CONTINUE, IF THAT'S THE MAJOR OBJECTION.
UM, BUT I AM IN SUPPORT OF ANY, UM, TYPE OF DIVISION OR REZONING THAT INGRID WOULD LIKE TO DO.
I, WE HAVE 29 ACRES AND WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION.
MS. HAM, CAN YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS? OH, I'M SORRY.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK NOW? CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
JUST ONE LAST YEAH, YOU CAN REBUTT IT.
I THINK IF YOU WERE EVER TO VISIT BEAVER DAM CREEK ROAD, THERE MIGHT BE ONE DAY WHERE SOMEBODY TAKES A BICYCLE UP THE ROAD, BUT BY FAR IT IS A VERY QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
VERY QUIET, AND IT'S NOWHERE NEAR A CIRCUS.
AND I THINK WE CAN ALL LIVE RESPECTFULLY AND, AND PEACEFULLY THERE BECAUSE IT IS PEACEFUL.
YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, I DON'T SEE HOW ONE ADDITIONAL HOME ON FOUR OR FIVE ACRES OF LAND IS GOING TO, UH, AFFECT ANYBODY'S PRIVACY, PEACE, AND TRANQUILITY OR PROPERTY RIGHTS.
UM, AND I DIDN'T SEE A THING IN HERE ABOUT, UM, THE APPLICANT ALLOWING, UH, ATVS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, I HAVE BASICALLY A QUESTION FOR OUR ATTORNEY.
IT SEEMS TO BE AN INDICATION THAT THE COVENANTS FOR THE SUB DEVELOPMENT PROHIBIT THE SUB, THE SUBDIVIDING.
SO IS THAT A MUTE POINT FOR US? I THINK SO BECAUSE I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS HAS ANY PROFFERS ON IT.
UM, IT'S AN OLDER RE SUBDIVISION, I THINK MAYBE EIGHTIES, LATE EIGHTIES.
SO YEAH, WE DON'T, THE COVENANTS DON'T AFFECT, THEY DON'T BIND TO THE COUNTY.
IF THERE WAS A PROFFER THAT SAID NO, LOTS COULD BE FURTHER SUBDIVIDED, WE'D BE BOUND BY THAT.
BUT THERE ARE NO PROS ON THIS PROPERTY.
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ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING RZ 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 0 0 0 7 FOR 10 ACRES AT 1600 BEAVER DAM CREEK ROAD FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PROPER CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A FOUR OH VOTE.
THIS CASE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023, WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
OUR NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE AGAIN, COMPANION CASES.
STAFF WILL BE MAKING A COMBINED PRESENTATION AND EACH ITEM WILL REQUIRE A SEPARATE MOTION AND VOTE.
DISTRICT FOUR, RZ 20 23 8 APPLICATION BY SP REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS, L L C
[6. District 4 - RZ-2023-00008 - Application by SP Real Estate Holdings LLC requesting proffer amendments to rezoning case RZ-2015-00004]
REQUESTING PROFFER AMENDMENTS TO REZONING CASE RZ 20 15 4 TO INCLUDE AUTOMOBILE SALES AND AUTOMOBILE REPAIR AS PERMITTED USES.AND TO REPLACE THE PREVIOUSLY PROFFERED CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND RELATED PROFFERS FOR 6.93 ACRES AT 1 2 5 0 1 BROAD STREET ROAD ON TAX MAP NUMBER 59 3 2 F P SEVEN.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED BUSINESS GENERAL B ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA'S PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND COMPANION CU 20 23 10 APPLICATION BY SP REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS, L L C REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, C
[7. District 4 - CU-2023-00010 - Application by SP Real Estate Holdings LLC requesting a Conditional Use Permit (CUP)]
U P FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES AND AUTOMOBILE REPAIR ON 6.93 ACRES AT 1 2 5 0 1 BROAD STREET ROAD TAX MAP 59 3 2 F P SEVEN.THE PROPERTY IS ZONED BUSINESS GENERAL B ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS, BUT IN COMPANION CASE, RZ 20 23 8.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING PROFFER AMENDMENTS TO ALLOW AUTOMOBILE SALES AND AUTOMOBILE REPAIR AS PERMITTED USES.
THE C U P IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE 15,242.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MS. JACKSON.
I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
AS MS. PARKER SAID, WE DO HAVE TWO COMPANION CASES.
THE, UH, UH, THERE IS A PROFFER AMENDMENT TO A REZONING CASE THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2015 THAT WAS FOR A MEMORY CARE FACILITY AND ASSOCIATED USES.
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO AMEND THE PROVERBS TO ALLOW, IN ADDITION TO THE, WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2015 TO ADD A CAR DEALERSHIP AS A PERMITTED USE.
AS MS. PARKER SAID, UH, C U P IS REQUIRED IN THE B ONE DISTRICT FOR THE, FOR THE CAR USE.
UM, AND I WILL BE MAKING THIS PRESENTATION COLLECTIVELY.
UM, BASICALLY GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE THING AT ONE TIME, THEN DISCUSSING THE PROFFERS AND THEN DISCUSSING THE CONDITIONS.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON BROAD STREET ROAD.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY, UH, JUST SHY OF SEVEN ACRES.
IT'S, UH, PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE CENTERVILLE OVERLAY DISTRICT AS WELL IN THE, AS WELL AS IN THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA PER THE COMP PLAN.
SO ON THE VICINITY MAP, AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE RED CIRCLE IS, IT IS ACTUALLY THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS THE FARTHEST EAST SOUTH ABROAD THAT YOU CAN GET IN GLAND COUNTY.
ON THE OTHER SIDE IS, UH, UM, HENRICO COUNTY.
YOU CAN SORT OF SEE FROM THE AERIAL HERE IS THE, UM, THE COUNTY LINE AND THE PROPERTY IS IN RED.
THERE IS A SQUARE BOX IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS WHERE THE CENTERVILLE BOOSTER STATION IS.
UM, THE AERIAL IS A LITTLE BIT OUTDATED.
THERE'S, UH, PLENTY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED ALONG BROAD STREET.
AS I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE, THE ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY IS B ONE.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE PROFFERS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WERE PLACED BACK IN 2015.
I'M GONNA GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AS WE GO FORWARD.
ACROSS THE STREET THERE IS M TWO.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UM, UH, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE, UM, OPENED IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO.
AND THEN ON THE WESTERN SIDE YOU HAVE M ONE, WHICH IS, UM, ACTUALLY MOST OF THAT IS FLOODPLAIN.
AND I MENTIONED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE'S THAT BLUE SQUARE THAT IS ACTUALLY, UM, THE, UM, IT'S PUBLIC INSTITUTIONAL THAT IS THE BOOSTER STATION.
UM, IT IS PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS THE, UH, DESIGNATION AND ACROSS THE STREET IS COMMERCIAL.
SO AS I MENTIONED, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IT, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO A, UH, CAR
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DEALERSHIP.UM, THEY ARE EXISTING PROFFERS, UM, BASED ON THE, UM, THE OWN CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY WANT TO RETAIN THAT AS AN OPTION TO ALSO HAVE THE MEMORY CARRIER.
IF FOR SOME REASON THE, UM, CAR DEALERSHIP DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD, SO THAT'S WHY THIS CASE IS PRES BEING PRESENTED AS IT IS.
AND THEN, UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THE CAR DEALERSHIP WOULD NEED A C U P.
I MENTIONED THE THREE, UH, DESIGNATIONS IN THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, TALKS ABOUT, UM, HAVING A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE, UH, COUNTY'S TAX BASE, UM, RETENTION OF CORPORATE INVESTMENT AND AN ATTRACTION JOB GENERATING AND, UM, EXPAND THE DIVERSITY.
SO BASED ON ALL OF THAT, THIS APPLIC THESE APPLICATIONS ARE GENERALLY IN, GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING BACK IN JANUARY, APPROXIMATELY 11 PEOPLE ATTENDED.
UH, THERE WERE LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
UH, THEY INCLUDED VEHICLES ENTERING AND EXITING ON BROAD STREET ROAD AT THAT LOCATION, EXCUSE ME, THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT TO LITTLE TUCKAHOE CREEK, WHICH I HAD MENTIONED IS, UH, JUST WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, MEETING THE REGULATIONS OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, APPEARANCE OF THE PARKING DECK.
AND, UH, ACTUALLY NOBODY ACTUALLY EXPRESSED OPPOSITION AT THE MEETING.
AND ONE PERSON ACTUALLY, UM, STATED THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATIONS.
STAFF HAS RECEIVED TWO EMAILS STATING CONCERNS.
UM, ONE REFERENCED THE HEIGHT OF THE PARKING DECK, UM, AS FAR AS LIKE HOW IT'S DEPICTED IN THE ELEVATION AND QUESTION THAT I WILL GET WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, PROPERLY BEING, UM, BROUGHT FORWARD TO, UM, TO YOU AND THE BOARD.
UM, THEN ONE, THERE WAS ONE QUESTION, UM, ONE QUESTIONING THE, THE RESULTS OF THE, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
SO GOING BACK TO 2015, UM, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS RIGHT HERE, AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A SECOND.
UM, THEY DID APPROVE FOR A MEMORY CARE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE GREEN, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT ACTUALLY SAYS MEMORY CARE.
IT ACTUALLY GIVES SPECIFICS TO THE, UM, THE MEMORY CARE.
IT DOES HA ALSO LIFTS A NUMBER OF OTHER, UM, USES THAT ARE SOMEWHAT SI SIMILAR.
UH, MEDICAL CLINIC BANKS AND MONEY LENDING INSTITUTIONS.
THAT'S KIND OF VEERS OFF OF IT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UH, CHILD AND ADULT DAYCARE CENTERS, UM, HOMES FOR THE AGED AND THEN NURSING HOMES AND OTHER, UM, FACILITIES FOR ASSISTED LIVING.
UM, SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY, AS I'D MENTIONED, THE THE CURRENT OWNER WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN THAT.
I THINK THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES, UM, DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CAR DEALERSHIP, BUT YOU KNOW, TO ACCOMMODATE EITHER WAY.
AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY APPROVED.
THAT'S WHY IT IS PLACED THE WAY IT IS.
UM, SO THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS PROFFERED BACK IN 2015.
AND THAT ALSO IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS REQUEST.
SO THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS, UM, AS FAR AS THE CAR DEALERSHIP GOES.
SO THEY WILL BE PRESENTING TWO DIFFERENT, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS AN IF THIS, THEN THAT KIND OF A SITUATION.
AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS ON THIS.
THE RED THAT IS ON THAT AND THE BOXES.
UH, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY HAVE PARKING ALONG THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ON, UM, CLOSE TO BROAD STREET ROAD.
WE HAVE THE, THE COUNTY BOOSTER STATION.
UM, UP FRONT THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF PADS.
THEY HAVE SIX PADS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR, UH, CAR DISPLAY, VEHICLE DISPLAY.
UM, WE HAVE THE SHOWROOM RIGHT HERE.
AND THIS RIGHT HERE IS A THREE STORY PARKING DECK.
UM, I DID WANT TO POINT OUT, 'CAUSE WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS, OOPS, EXCUSE ME.
IN THE FUTURE PART OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT THE DRIVE AISLE, THERE IS A DRIVE AISLE THAT GOES DOWN.
UM, THE, THE PROPERTY LINE, THIS AREA IS HENRICO COUNTY.
THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS.
THERE IS A DRIVE AISLE THAT GOES RIGHT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND I'LL DISCUSS THAT IN MORE DETAIL IN A SECOND.
SO THIS KIND OF JUST GIVES YOU A BETTER SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THAT ARROW WAS THAT THE, UM, EXCUSE ME, WHAT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN WAS BASICALLY AN ENGINEER DRAWING.
THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
UH, THESE ARE THERE FOR IMAGE REFERENCE ONLY.
THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROFFERING.
UM, SO YOU HAVE, THESE ARE THE AREA THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT WHERE THE DISPLAY WOULD BE.
SO THIS WOULD BE BROAD STREET ROAD PARKING, YOU KNOW, ALONG THIS AREA.
DISPLAY, THAT WOULD BE THE SHOWROOM.
AND THEN THE, UM, VEHICLE, UH, SERVICE AREA AND THEN THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND THIS IS WHERE THEY QUESTION WHETHER THIS WAS TWO STORIES OR THREE, UH, THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD WHEN THEY COME UP.
SO I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY.
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IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGING SITE AS FAR AS THE TOPOGRAPHY GOES, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE.SO WE'VE GOT THE BOOSTER STATION RIGHT HERE, AND THEN THE DRIVE AISLE TO THE BOOSTER STATION COMES IN RIGHT HERE.
FLOOD PAN FLOODPLAIN TAKES OF THE BACK PART.
AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS ALL FLOODPLAIN BACK HERE.
UM, THIS BLUE LINE IS A UTILITY EASEMENT THAT BASICALLY CUTS THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND SO ON UTILITY EASEMENTS, THERE IS NO CONSTRUCTION THAT'S ALLOWED ON THAT.
UH, SO THAT BASICALLY LEAVES THIS AREA OF THE SITE THAT IS CONSTRUCTABLE.
SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, I WAS GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE DRIVE AISLE.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN 2015, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWS THE DRIVE AISLE, SO IT'S ALREADY PERMITTED IN THAT LOCATION.
AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON, UH, THE CAR DEALERSHIP THAT THEY'RE THE SECOND USE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN THE SAME LOCATION I'D MENTIONED.
IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A UNIQUE SITE.
THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT DOES ALLOW THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO, UM, UH, MAKE, UM, ACCOMMODATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, FROM DEVIATIONS FROM THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT OF 30 FEET, WHICH IS, UH, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING, UH, BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE AS WELL AS THE, THE SITE AREA THAT I SHOWED YOU.
THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROVABLE.
THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACT.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS PUTTING IT IN A FORM OF A PROFFER BEING THE, UM, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN JUST TO ENSURE THAT IF THEY ARE APPROVED, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND, UM, AND GET THAT APPROVAL RATHER THAN GETTING APPROVED AND THEN GOING TO SITE PLAN.
AND I AND ME SAYING, NO, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT, FOR WHATEVER REASON IN THESE DRAWINGS.
IS THE ORIENTATION ON HERE THE SAME AS NORTH? YEP, THEY ARE THE SAME NORTH, MM-HMM.
SO LET ME, LET ME GO AHEAD AND POINT THAT FOR YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT MR. MYERS, UH, THIS IS BROAD STREET AND THIS IS BROAD STREET.
SO WE'VE GOT BROAD STREET ROAD, BROAD STREET ON THIS DRAWING IS GOING MM-HMM.
NORTH, YEAH, THE NORTH AND YEAH, NORTH, SOUTH AND THEN WEST IS, UH, OKAY, ON THE TOP PART OF THE SCREEN.
EAST IS, UM, HEADING TOWARDS HENRICO.
UM, SO, SO THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING I WANTED TO POINT OUT BECAUSE THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THIS WOULD IN FACT, UM, GRANT HIM THAT AUTHORITY, UM, GRANT HIM THE ABILITY TO BUILD THE, UM, THE UM, DRY VILE WITHIN THE BUFFER.
SO, UM, I DID WANNA ALSO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE, UM, PROPERTY, THE ENTIRE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
JUST AS A VERY QUICK OVERVIEW AND, UM, UH, LOOKING AT WHAT THE ELEVATIONS ARE AS WELL AS THE SITE PLAN, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS WITHIN THE APPLICATION THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY STAFF IF IT CAME, UH, CAME, UH, CAME TOWARDS US.
SO WE, UM, ACTUALLY SUGGESTED THAT THEY DID NOT, UM, PROFFER THE ELEVATIONS BECAUSE, UH, THE BUILDING DESIGN, THE BUILDING MATERIALS, UM, ON THE SITE PLAN, THE PARKING AREA, AND, UM, ORIENTATIONS OF THE BAY DOORS, THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UM, AND SO, SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANTED THEM TO ACTUALLY PROFFER.
UM, THAT WAS JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW.
WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN THEN, UM, THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT FROM LOOKING AT THE, UH, TOPO.
IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS A RELATIVELY STEEP SITE, BUT WHAT I CAN LOOK AT THE TOPO AND ALSO REMEMBER, SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF EXCAVATING DONE AND WHICH WHICHEVER THE TWO BUILDINGS THEY PUT HERE ARE GOING TO BE RELATIVELY LOW CORRESPONDING TO THE ADJOINING APARTMENTS IN HENRICO.
UH, SO THAT, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME CONSIDERATION IN HERE FOR, UH, NOT ONLY WHAT THE PEOPLE IN THOSE APARTMENTS VIEW AND THE LIGHTING AND UH, ROOF STRUCTURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE BUT HOURS OF OPERATION THAT I CAN SEE THERE, THERE.
AND WHEN, WHEN I GET TO THE CONDITIONS FOR THE, UM, FOR THE, THAT THAT THE COUNTY IMPOSES FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT IS ACTUALLY ADDRESSED, THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM HOURS OF OPERATION THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE IN YOUR APARTMENT UP HIGH LOOKING DOWN ON THIS.
AND, UM, DARK SKY REALLY DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU BECAUSE THE WHOLE AREA'S GONNA BE LIT UP.
UM, I CAN, UH, LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THEY DID PROVIDE SOME, SOME DRAWINGS WITHIN AND I INCLUDED THEM IN THE, UM, PRESENTATION.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DESCRIBE THAT FOR YOU.
HOW FAR IS THIS FROM THE EXISTING AUDI DEALERSHIP? UM, ACROSS THE STREET.
IT'S ACROSS THE STREET, NOT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, I THINK DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET OR THE RETAIL, BUT A LITTLE FARTHER WEST TOWARDS
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2 88.THAT'S WHERE THE AUDI DEALERSHIP IS.
ISN'T IT UNUSUAL TO HAVE TWO OF THESE REQUESTS FOR THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY? I MEAN, THIS IS A LITTLE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
I DID RUN THIS THROUGH, UM, LEGAL, UM, I, I THINK WE KNOW THE INTENT OF THE, UM, APPLICANT.
UM, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT WHEN THEY COME UP.
BUT I THINK THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO ENSURE THAT AT LEAST WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH AND HAD TO PROVE IS POSSIBLE, IT JUST DID NOT MOVE FORWARD LAST TIME.
I GUESS THEY THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE STILL SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BACK TO THE UM, NO, WE'RE NOT HERE TO CHANGE THE PROFFERS ON THE NURSING HOME, NO.
AND, AND THIS IS STRICTLY FOR THE NO, NO, THERE ARE NO, WHEN, WHEN WE GET TO THE PRO THE PROFFER, UM, SUMMARY, I'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WERE, THAT ALL THE USES THAT I SHOWED YOU, UM, IN THE 2015.
THOSE ARE PART OF THE APPLICATION, THOSE PROFFERS AS WELL AS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
OKAY, WELL I DON'T SEE, I DON'T HAVE THOSE PROFITS TILL YOU GET TO 'EM, BUT YEAH, I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT THE PROFITS, IF, IF THEY'RE GONNA RELY ON THE, THE NURSING HOME PROFFERS IN CONJUNCTION WITH NEW PROFITS, THAT THE OLD PROFITS ARE APPLICABLE TO THIS.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS, SO HAVE A WHOLE NEW SET OF NEW PROFITS.
AND NOT, AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN JUST A FEW MINUTES WHEN I GET DOWN TO, UH, THOSE SLIDES.
LET'S SEE, DID I ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT? YOU ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT.
UM, SO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TRAFFIC.
UM, SO THERE WAS A, UM, A TRANSPORTATION STUDY DONE, UH, THE T I A, UM, AND WHAT IT RECOMMENDED IS THAT THERE WAS WIDENING AT BOTH, OOPS, EXCUSE ME, AT BOTH OF THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCES.
ONE HERE, THIS IS ACTUALLY TO THE WEST AND THIS IS TO THE EAST.
SO HENRICO COUNTY IS LIKE RIGHT HERE.
UM, THEY WERE, THEY, THEY WERE RECOMMENDED TO HAVE THOSE, UM, WIDENED.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THAT.
UM, THEY'VE ALSO AGREED TO PROFFERING A RIGHT TURN LANE, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT GREEN LINE IS, THAT GREEN ARROW IS POINTING WHERE THAT IS ON THE, ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THE NORTHERN OOP, NOT NORTHERN, EXCUSE ME, I JUST SAID IT MYSELF.
THE, THE WESTERN, UM, ENTRANCE HAS AN IN AND AN OUT.
SO THIS IS TWO-WAY TRAFFIC THAT GOES IN HERE.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMPROVING THAT TO DO THE TWO, WHEREAS AT THE SOUTH, UH, SEE NOW I GOT ME DOING IT
UM, SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I DID WANNA NOTE THAT BOTH OF THE ENTRANCES, BOTH THE WEST AND THE EAST, DO NOT MEET SPACING REQUIREMENTS TO THE LIGHT THAT'S JUST OVER THE LINE IN HENRICO.
UM, WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, WE SUGGESTED THAT THEY MOVE AHEAD AND, AND GET THOSE APPROVED PRIOR TO MOVING FORWARD.
UM, VDOT HAS APPROVED BOTH OF THOSE WAIVERS.
SO WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY VDOT.
SO NOW MR. UH, ROCK CHARLIE, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE PROFFERS.
UM, I DO HAVE THE FULL PROFFERS AT THE END OF THE, OF THE PRESENTATION, SO I'D BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THEM IN MORE DETAIL.
UM, SO PROFFERS, SO NOW I'M GOING FOR THE PROFFERS.
THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
UM, THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS FOR BOTH DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE, THE, UM, MEMORY CARE FACILITY AS ONE, AS WELL AS THE ONE THAT HAS THE, UH, CAR DEALERSHIP.
SO BOTH OF THOSE ARE MOVING FORWARD ALONG WITH A COMBINATION OF BOTH OF THE PROFFERS, UM, I MEAN BOTH OF THE USES, ALL THE USES THAT WERE, WERE STATED IN THE, UM, THAT ONE SLIDE WHERE I WENT DOWN AND I READ MEMORY CARE BANK, UM MM-HMM
ALL THE ONES THAT ARE LISTED THERE ARE IN THEIR PROFFERS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY'RE ALSO PROFFERING A CAR DEALERSHIP.
SO ALL OF THOSE ARE LISTED IN ONE LUMP SUM AND BOTH CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO IF ONE'S DONE, THEY USE THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
IF THE OTHER'S DONE, THEY USE THE OTHER CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THEY'VE ALSO, UM, PROFFERED EXTERIOR MATERIALS.
AND IN THE STAFF REPORT I MENTIONED, I MENTIONED IT HERE AGAIN ON THE, UM, SCREEN STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT, UM, THIS PROFFER IS NOT ACCEPTED.
UM, SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT ARE MENTIONED IN THE, IN, THOSE DO NOT MEET THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, SO WE FIGURED THAT THAT'S PROBABLY A MOOT POINT TO HAVE THEM IN.
UM, AND, AND TALKING WITH THE APPLICANT TODAY, UM, I BELIEVE THEY WILL BE MAKING, UM, THE OFFER TO, TO DELETE THAT, BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THEM TO, TO DISCUSS.
UM, THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER ONES THAT ARE JUST SORT OF, UH, YOUR RUN OF THE MILL BASIC, UH, COMMERCIAL ONES, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE DETAILS LIMITING LIKE NEW STREAMERS AND THINGS THAT YOU SOMETIMES SEE AT CAR DEALERSHIPS.
UH, SCREENING OF H V A C AND DUMPSTERS, WHICH IS REALLY ACTUALLY PART OF
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THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE TURN LANE AND THEN THE REDUCTION OF THE BUFFER.
AND AS I MENTIONED, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD NORMALLY DO ADMINISTRATIVELY, I THINK THEY WERE JUST BEING CAUTIOUS THAT WE, THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I WAS OUT SICK THAT DAY AND SOMEBODY MADE ANOTHER CALL,
UM, AND ADDITION TO THAT, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S APPROVED IN 2015 AND COULD BE CONSTRUCTED TODAY.
SO THOSE ARE THE PROFFER SUMMARY.
NOW FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY ACTUALLY IMPOSES, AND THIS ONLY APPLIES TO THE CAR DEALERSHIP.
UM, SO BASED ON, UM, THE USE BEING A CAR DEALERSHIP THAT WOULD BE APPROVED WITH THIS, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF IT WAS APPROVED ALONG WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UH, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR MUST BE IN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING.
VEHICLE DISPLAY IS LIMITED TO THE SIX SPOTS THAT I MENTIONED, UM, EARLIER ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND I ALSO SHOW, SHOWED YOU ON THE DRAWING, UM, AS WELL AS IN THE SHOWROOM.
UH, NO C O C U P ACTIVITY WOULD, UH, BE ALLOWED UNTIL A P O D WAS APPROVED.
AND IN ORDER TO GET A P O D APPROVED, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UM, APPROVAL OF YOUR, UM, C O A, WHICH IS THE CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL, WHICH MEANS YOU COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN OVERLAY DISTRICT, OR THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS GRANTED YOU PERMISSION TO DEVIATE.
UM, GENERALLY CONFORMANCE WITH, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS HAS, UH, UH, EXHIBIT A HERE IT'S ACTUALLY EXHIBIT A AND B AS STATED IN THERE.
UM, LIMITED THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
CHARLIE, WE DID, UM, TALK WITH THE APPLICANT IN 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM IS, UM, IS ACCEPTABLE TO THEM.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY IS IMPOSING.
THEY SAID THAT THAT WOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH THEIR BUSINESS.
UH, SO YOU CAN'T LEAVE LIKE PARTS, CAR PARTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OUTSIDE, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, SCREENING OF VEHICLES, WAITING, REPAIR, UM, THE REPAIR, UM, CONDITION IS ACTUALLY STATED THAT THIS IS A CAR DEALERSHIP WITH REPAIR SECONDARY, SO IT'S NOT REALLY A CAR, IT'S NOT REALLY A MAINTENANCE PLACE THAT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO COME AND, YOU KNOW, GET THEIR WARRANTY, UM, WARRANTY WORK DONE, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
UM, THEY ARE PROVIDING FENCING AROUND THE BOOSTER STATION AS WELL AS SOME LANDSCAPING.
UM, THE WAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO HAVE, UH, IT LOOK GOOD.
IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A UTILITY BUILDING, SO THERE'S NOTHING REALLY THAT AESTHETIC ABOUT IT.
BUT, UH, NOR TO SCREEN IT FROM THEIR GUESTS, BUT ALSO TO, TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SECURITY BECAUSE AS IT IS NOW, NOBODY WALKS THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CUSTOMERS AND THEY MIGHT BE WANDERING, WAITING FOR THEIR CAR.
SO IT, UM, THEY HAVE ALSO, UM, BEEN PART OF THIS DISCUSSION AND THEY'VE AGREED TO PUT A FENCE GATE AS WELL AS SOME LANDSCAPING, UM, AROUND THE, UH, BOOSTER STATION.
UM, THEY WILL ALSO, UM, ALL LIGHTING AND SIGN REGULATIONS WOULD NEED TO BE FOLLOWED AND THEN THE STANDARD, UH, TRANSFER RELEASE.
SO, UM, IF THEY WERE TO SELL OR LEASE THE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO NOTIFY THE COUNTY AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT THAT THESE, UM, CONDITIONS AND PROFFERS, UM, APPLY.
UM, THE COMMISSION MAY HOLD ONE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AS YOU DID WITH, WITH HERMITAGE, UM, ONE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, I MEAN MAY HOLD ONE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT HAVE APPLICATIONS HEARD AND VOTED ON, I MEAN, VOTED ON SEPARATELY WITH THE REZONING GOING FIRST.
UM, KELLY TOLD ME TO SAY THAT
WE ALSO DO HAVE THE APPLICANT IN ATTENDANCE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE THANK YOU.
I'LL COME BACK TO, I THINK SHE'S OPENING UP.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS MIKE ROTHERMELL, I'M COUNSEL FOR THE APPLICANT.
I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF SPOTS VEIN IN RICHMOND.
UH, PLEASURE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, WANNA INTRODUCE WHO'S WITH ME, UH, JOEY WONG.
UM, IT WOULD WOULD BE THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE DEALERSHIP.
UH, I'M GONNA HAVE HIM JUST COME UP AND MAKE A FEW COMMENTS WHEN I'M DONE.
BILL KEMPEL IS WITH RAINIER CONSTRUCTION.
UH, BILL WOULD BE THE PROJECT MANAGER.
UH, HE CAN SPEAK TO ANY SORT OF SITE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TONIGHT.
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SITE, THE LAYOUT, THE BUILDINGS, UH, BILL'S, BILL, OTHER DEALERSHIPS.
UH, AND CARL REN IS WITH GROVE SLADE, UM, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SO HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE, UM, SORT OF ARDUOUS PROCESS THAT, UH, MY CLIENT HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH WITH VDOT.
UM, THIS IS A, A, A VERY CHALLENGING SITE.
UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT, UH, EMPLOYEE, WHICH EMPLOYEE FROM THE COUNTY, UM, COINED THIS TERM, BUT THEY CALLED IT SORT OF AN ORPHAN.
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YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS THE LOAN PARCEL, UH, EAST OF TUCKAHOE CREEK, UH, STILL WITHIN GLAND COUNTY.UM, AND SO IT SORT OF SITS BY ITSELF DOWN THERE, UH, IN BETWEEN THE CREEK AND, AND THE BORDER WITH ENRICO COUNTY.
AND SO WE STARTED, UH, MEETING WITH THE COUNTY ALMOST A YEAR AGO.
WE HAD OUR FIRST, UH, MEETING WITH JAMIE AND STAFF IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.
UH, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE INTERVENING TIME PERIOD HAS NOT, UM, BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SITTING AROUND.
WE, MY CLIENT'S BEEN WORKING QUITE A BIT.
UH, THEY'VE GONE, UH, A LONG WAY DOWN THE ROAD IN SORT OF, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN WITH THE ANTICIPATION THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THE BOARD HOPEFULLY, UH, UH, GRANTS THIS REQUEST.
UM, WE'VE ALS ALSO STARTED WORKING ON SITE DESIGN CIVIL DRAWINGS BECAUSE THIS, THIS SITE IS VERY CHALLENGING.
UM, PART OF THEN, AND HOPEFULLY THIS CLEARS UP SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE TWO CONCEPTUAL PLANS THAT WERE PROFFERED.
UM, THE, THE PRIOR REZONING, UH, IN 2015, UM, UH, WAS APPROVED, BUT THE SITE NEVER WENT FORWARD.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS INVOLVED IN THAT, UH, PARTICULAR, UH, PROPOSAL.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE SITE WAS TOO CHALLENGING TO DESIGN.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE USE WAS APPROVED, UM, AND, AND, UH, LOOKED AT FAVORABLY.
BUT WHEN THE CIVIL ENGINEERS GOT IN THERE AND STARTED DESIGNING THE SITE AND FIGURING OUT WHERE THEY NEEDED TO, TO SORT OF RUN UTILITY LINES AND HOW THEY WOULD DESIGN THE SITE, THAT THE NUMBERS DIDN'T MAKE SENSE, AT LEAST AT THAT TIME.
UM, THE CONCERN ON THE PART OF THE OWNER, I REPRESENT THE CONTRACT PURCHASER AND APPLICANT IN THIS CASE.
THE CONCERN ON THE PART OF THE OWNER WAS IF, IF, IF WE ONLY PROFFER, UH, IF WE GET ALL THE, THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED USES OUT AND WE ONLY, UH, ALLOW AN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP, WE GET APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD, UH, UH, HYPOTHETICALLY AND WE MOVE FORWARD.
THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, DOESN'T APPROVE THE CHANGES THAT THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE NEED AND OR SITE PLAN FALLS APART, THEN THERE'S ESSENTIALLY NO APPROVED USES ON THIS SITE.
UH, AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT CONCERN.
MY CLIENT HAS NO INTENTION, UM, OF MOVING FORWARD WITH ANYTHING BUT AN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP.
UM, THAT THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE WORKED TOWARDS, UH, AND, AND REALLY, UM, DESIGNED FOR THE PAST YEAR BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS POINT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHY IS, WHY DID HE WORK SO HARD IN THIS SITE? UM, IT'S A GOOD SITE LOCATION WISE.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE AUDI, THE, UH, AUDI DEALERSHIP RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, YOU HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OF OTHER AUTOMOTIVE USES, I THINK A CAR WASH, UH, AND OIL CHANGE PLACE.
UM, WE'VE KEPT THE SITE EAST OF 2 88.
YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS COMMISSION AND THE BOARD HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN LOOKING AT THE VILLAGE PLANS AND WHAT YOU WANT, UM, CENTERVILLE TO LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND, AND, AND WE UNDERSTOOD WHEN WE CAME IN THAT, UH, AT LEAST STAFF, THE ADMINISTRATION WAS KIND OF HOPING AND LOOKING FOR AUTO DEALERSHIPS TO, TO STAY EAST OF 2 88.
UM, AND SO, SO WE'VE DONE THAT AND WE'VE TAKEN A SITE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S GOT A LOT OF QUIRKS AND A LOT OF CHALLENGES AND REALLY PUT IN A USE, WE BELIEVE THAT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE THAT COULD POSSIBLY GO IN THIS SITE.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, $30 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS THAT, THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN HERE.
I THINK, UM, AND JOEY CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 60 EMPLOYEES PROBABLY, UM, IT, IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE TO, TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE ON THIS SITE THAT, THAT WOULD SORT OF MAKE THAT INVESTMENT AND, AND BRING THOSE, UH, BRING THAT EMPLOYMENT, UH, AND BRING THE TAXES THAT THIS PARTICULAR USE WOULD, UM, WOULD BRING.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I'LL JUST, I'LL ASK JOEY TO, TO COME UP.
UH, HE, HE JUST WANTS TO MAKE A COUPLE BRIEF REMARKS, UH, BUT THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE.
UH, MY NAME IS JOEY HUANG, AND, UM, I KNOW YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW ME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK INTRODUCTION.
I GRADUATED FROM DENTAL SCHOOL AT OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.
I'M A CAR DEALER NOW FOR 25 YEARS.
THIS WOULD BE MY FOURTH HONDA DEALERSHIP.
UM, I'VE GROWN WITH HONDA AND OTHER MANUFACTURERS BY BEING SOME OF THE BEST DEALERS IN THE COUNTRY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I SHARE THAT STORY WITH YOU BECAUSE THIS PROCESS HAS TAKEN SOME TIME.
IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT TOUGH, RIGHT? NOT ONLY IS THE FACILITY OR THE GROUNDS HARD TO BUILD ON, BUT THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN TOUGHER.
BUT WHAT I'LL HAVE TO SAY IS THIS, AFTER SITTING HERE NEAR A YEAR, IS THAT, I UNDERSTAND IT'S BECAUSE YOU CARE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHO I AM.
YOU DON'T GO FROM BEING A DENTIST TO BEING A CAR DEALER UNLESS
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YOU WORK WITH YOUR HEART AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I SIT IN FRONT OF YOU TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT IF WE ARE ABLE TO BUILD A DEALERSHIP HERE, IT WILL BE THE BEST DEALERSHIP FOR YOU.
I'M GONNA BE A WONDERFUL HONDA DEALERSHIP, A WONDERFUL PERSON IN YOUR COMMUNITY, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
MR. WONG, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? UH, 6 5 4 6 CHESWICK LANE, HUDSON, OHIO.
YOUR, YOU LIVE IN OHIO? MM-HMM.
DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I WOULD RESERVE JUST A COUPLE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL IN CASE WE NEED THAT ADDRESS, THE SCREENING FOR THE, UH, QUESTION.
WELL, I GUESS I CANNOT, MY CONCERN IS THE FACT, THE WAY THIS TOPOGRAPHY IS, YOU COULD BE SO LOW.
HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA SCREEN, UH, FROM THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE IN THE OPPOSITE COUNTY? UH, AND WE DO CARE ABOUT 'EM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE APARTMENTS, UH, LOOKING DOWN ON ROOFTOPS OF AIR CONDITIONING, EQUIPMENT, FANS, EXHAUST.
UH, I'VE DESIGNED A COUPLE OF DEALERSHIPS AND I KNOW ALL THE STUFF THAT GOES UP A ON THE ROOF TO MAKE THOSE THINGS WORK.
UH, AND ALSO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIGHTING THAT PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR APARTMENTS.
UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THEIR APARTMENTS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THEY SLEEP.
AND, UH, THEY PROBABLY HAVE BALCONIES THAT LOOK AT IT OVER THE AREA.
AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, IT MAY MEET THE, THE DARK SKY THAT WE HAVE, BASICALLY FROM GROUND LEVEL.
BUT WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU'RE, AND I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS THE TOP OF THE, THE UPPER FLOOR OF THESE APARTMENTS IS PROBABLY 30 OR 40 FEET ABOVE THE ROOF ROOF OF THE, THIS, THESE BUILDINGS.
I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT'S GONE.
YEAH, SO I, I, I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL LET MR. KEEL ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT.
I I'LL MAKE SOME GENERAL COMMENTS ON THIS.
UH, 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STAFF ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THOSE, UM, ADJACENT, UM, RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THERE ARE I THINK THREE OR MAYBE FOUR STORIES.
UM, AND SO THE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER USE GOES ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE, UM, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROFFERED TO THE COUNTY AND OR TOLD THE COUNTY THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE CAN, UH, ALONG THE BORDER AS FAR AS SCREENING.
MOST OF THAT WOULD BE FROM STREET LEVEL, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU'RE PARKING THERE OR YOU'RE WALKING, YOU WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THE SCREENING WOULD BE THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T ERECT 30 FOOT HIGH BUFFERS THERE.
UM, AND I GUESS THE, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, AND, AND BILL CAN ADD TO THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALREADY SORT OF GONE TO GREAT LENGTH IN WORKING WITH THE ARCHITECTS TO, TO COME UP WITH CERTAIN MATERIALS AND, AND, AND OTHER WAYS, UM, TO, TO MAKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING DECK AND THE BUILDING AS ATTRACTIVE AS THEY CAN.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE GONE TO, TO GREAT LENGTHS TO, TO SORT OF ADDRESS THOSE.
UM, NOT, NOT WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE TO, TO MR. WONG, UH, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD.
UH, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD ADD? NO, ACTUALLY YOU HIT A LOT OF IT.
UH, A LOT OF IT, AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, BEING THAT WE ARE LOWER, WOULD YOU SPEAK, WOULD YOU SPEAK INTO MIKE? I'M SORRY, OF COURSE.
BILL KEMP WITH RENEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, AS MIKE HAD MENTIONED, A LOT OF THE CHALLENGES, NO MATTER WHAT FACILITIES IS GONNA BE PLACED HERE, UM, IS GONNA BE JUST THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE, UH, ALWAYS LOWER THAN THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
I THINK SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES TO THAT WE HAVE FOR THOSE PROPERTIES IS THEY ALL ARE FACING TO THE NORTH, SO A LOT OF THEIR WINDOWS ARE, WILL NOT BE FACING, UH, TO THE WEST.
UH, BUT TO, TO TAKE CARE OF SOME CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE STAFF, UH, OVER THE LAST YEAR ARE, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE A RETAINING WALL BETWEEN THE PROPERTY, UM, ALONG WITH A, UH, SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THAT, AGAIN FOR SCREENING, UH, FROM HEIGHT LEVEL, UH, AS, AND THEN TO MAKE IT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING OR LOOKING AT DIFFERENT MATERIALS TO TRY TO SCREEN THE GARAGE, UH, WITH SOME PERFORATED METAL PANELS ON THAT EASTERN HALF.
UH, MOST OF THE REST OF THE BUILDING WILL BE A, A GOOD LOOKING BUILDING WITH COMBINATION OF, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, UH, METAL PANELS AND CONCRETE, UH, AS FAR AS LIGHTING A LOT, ALMOST ALL THE LIGHTING WILL BE DOWN.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY REALLY UP LIGHTING, SO, UM, WE WOULD JUST HAVE FILTRATION, YOU KNOW, COMING DOWN.
UM, I MEAN, WE, WE REALLY THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, AND NOW THE SITE DICTATES THAT YOU NEED A, YOU NEED A GARAGE IN THIS CASE.
BUT WE ALSO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AESTHETICALLY THAT'S PROBABLY MORE APPEALING THAN A SEA OF CARS.
UH, AND THAT THAT GARAGE, UM, IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT.
WHAT, $10 MILLION? YEAH, IT'S ABOUT 10 MILLION COST PROBABLY FOR THE GARAGE.
AND I GUESS THE, THE OTHER THING
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I WOULD POINT OUT HERE, UM, THE, AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE REASON, ONE OF THE REASONS THIS SITE IS SO CHALLENGING, UM, AND I GUESS IF I CAN HERE, SO YOU'VE GOT THE COUNTY'S PUMP STATION UP HERE, UM, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THIS HENRICO COUNTY SEWER LINE.I'M NOT VERY GOOD WITH THE POINTER, BUT IT SORT OF RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY HERE.
UM, IT'S THAT, YOU KNOW, YELLOW LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE MIDDLE.
UM, SO HENRICO COUNTY HAS AN EASEMENT FOR THEIR SEWER LINE THAT SORT OF BISECTS THIS PROPERTY, SO IT REALLY RESTRICTS WHERE YOU CAN PUT THE BUILDINGS.
UM, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF, UM, WHY WE'VE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, DESIGN THE SITE THE WAY IT HAS BEEN.
UM, SO THAT, TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS TO, TO OUR, TO OUR SOUTH THAT WE DON'T WANNA DISTURB.
ALSO, NONE OF THE, NONE OF THE RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE HERE REALLY SHOW THE SITE AS IT IS WITH THE, THE APARTMENTS, THE SLOPE OF THE HILL, AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE ELEVATIONS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE IF, IF YOU, YEAH.
SO, UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN, I DIDN'T THROW THE CROSS ELEVATIONS IN THIS.
DO YOU HAVE THE I DO HAVE, DO YOU HAVE THE CROSS ELEVATIONS CROSS PRESENTATION OR THE, WE HAVE SOME CROSS SECTIONS SHOWING THAT ELEVATION CHALLENGE, AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER.
THEY'RE IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR YOU, BUT HERE THEY'RE, MAYBE Y'ALL CAN DESCRIBE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
DO, DO YOU WANNA WALK? YEAH, SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO WORK THIS.
UH, AS YOU CAN VISUALLY SEE ON YOUR RIGHT HAND SIDE TOP BUTTON, THAT'S THE POINTER.
AS YOU CAN VISUALLY SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, HERE'S THE DEFINING LINE WITH HENRICO GLAND COUNTY.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, IS THAT OPPOSITE? IT LOOKS BACKWARDS TO ME.
SO WE HAVE THE PARKING DECK HERE AND THEN THE, THE BUILDINGS, UM, THE APARTMENTS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, AND SO WE HAVE A RETAINING WALL WITH A SCREENING THAT YOU CAN SEE WITH VEHICLES WOULD BE SITTING HERE.
THE SCREENING WOULD BE HIGHER THAN WHAT THE VEHICLES WOULD BE.
AND THEN A VIEW LOOKING THROUGH THAT CROSS SECTION FROM HENRICO LOOKING INTO GUCCI AND AT THE, AT THE BUILDING, UM, WOULD BE THE VIEW, UM, FROM THE RESIDENCE OVER THERE.
WELL, THE SCREEN WALL DOESN'T DO MUCH GOOD FOR THE APARTMENTS THOUGH.
MR.
I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH.
I GUESS THE, THE OTHER THING I'D POINT OUT IS THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT, THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT IN HENRICO COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS, HAS COMMERCIAL IN THE FRONT, UM, THAT, THAT WAS ALL, YOU KNOW, APPROVED AS PART OF THAT.
SO THE, THE RESIDENTIAL THAT IS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF RIGHT THERE OFF OF BROAD STREET, UM, IS PART OF THEIR SORT OF MIXED USE PHILOSOPHY OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, MIXED IN AMONGST, UM, THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, UH, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN FOR THE ADJACENT HIGH RISES, UM, BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO.
A CALL ON THE LEFT IS IN HENRICO.
AND THE, THE WALL OF YOUR POCKET IS, IS THAT GONNA BE A SOLID WALL? YES, YES.
SO THERE WON'T BE ANY OPENINGS IN IT FOR VENTILATION OR ANYTHING.
OH, THE BUILDING? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
THE PARKING GARAGE WILL, WILL NOT BE SOLID.
IS THAT GONNA BE ALL THAT? WELL, THIS, THIS SECTION THAT'S ALLOWED BY OUR OVERLAY.
THIS, THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE THAT'S, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH C O A.
SO THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE WOULD BE, UH, IS PROPOSED TO BE A PERFORATED PANEL TO NOT SEE THE VEHICLES WITHIN THE PARKING STRUCTURE.
THAT'S ACTUALLY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A SOLID WALL BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND THEN NEWEST RENDITIONS THAT TAKE THIS BACK BEHIND SERVICE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THERE'LL BE LESS PERFORATED PANELS, UM, ON THE DESIGN THAT'S GOING INTO FOR C O A APPROVAL LATER.
I DUNNO, THAT'S BE, THAT PROBABLY WON'T BE APPROVED MATTER.
ANY QUESTION? YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
JUST A, A TECHNICALITY, WE WE ARE HAPPY TO, UM, WITHDRAW THAT PROFFER.
UM, REGARDING THE ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS, I THINK STAFF ASKED THAT WE WITHDRAW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY WANTED TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT.
UM, IN THE MATERIALS THAT WE HOPE TO USE, WE RECOGNIZE SOME OF THOSE NEED TO GO THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING.
BUT IF STAFF, UM, WANTS US TO WITHDRAW,
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I THINK IT'S PROFIT NUMBER FOUR, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.ALRIGHT, I'LL IT UP FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, MY NAME IS LARRY PAID 1614 GENITAL ROAD.
UH, I CURRENTLY OWN SEVEN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS IN RICHMOND AND ONE OF 'EM IS THE AUDI DEALERSHIP DOWN THE STREET.
AND WHAT I HAVE COMPILED IS THE AMOUNT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC, CUSTOMER TRAFFIC DELIVERIES, TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT WE ENCOUNTER DURING NORMAL BUSINESS DAYS.
AND AS A RESIDENT OF 34 YEARS AND THE OWNER OF THE IY PROPERTY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, THE AMOUNT OF U-TURNS THAT TRACTOR TRAILERS ARE GONNA MAKE TO TRY TO GET BACK TO 64.
UM, THE APPLICANT BEING A NEW HONDA DEALER WILL BE GIVEN EXTRA PRODUCT FOR OPENING A NEW DEALERSHIP.
SO I THINK HIS NUMBERS MIGHT EXCEED OURS, BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT THE PRE COVID NUMBERS.
I THINK HIS DEALERSHIP WILL BE SIMILAR IN SIZE AND VOLUME AND IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
U P S TRUCKS, FEDEX TRUCKS, STOCK ORDER TRUCKS, WE GET A, A MONTHLY, A DAILY STOCK ORDER.
UM, AND, UM, LEMME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME.
WELL, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN IN YES SIR.
NOT BE AT A CONTROLLED INTERSECTION.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA CREATE A PROBLEM THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO FIX.
DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
I, I, IF I MAY BRIEFLY JUST CALL, UM, CARL HOL GRUB, HE'S OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
JUST TO ADDRESS, UM, MR. PAGE'S CONCERNS.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M CARL REN WITH GROVE SLADE AND ASSOCIATES.
WE'RE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FIRM ON THE PROJECT.
UH, ADDRESS IS 49 51 LAKE BROOK DRIVE, GLEN ALLEN.
SO, UH, WE, WE DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE TRIP POTENTIAL OF THE PROJECT OF THE DEALERSHIP IS BASED ON INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER, UH, TRIP RATES, WHICH ARE, ARE PUBLISHED AND, UM, USED AROUND THE COUNTRY.
UH, THEY'RE BASED ON TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AT EXISTING DEALERSHIPS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
UM, SO WHAT WE DO IS WE PLUG IN THE SIZE OF THE DEALERSHIP AND IT, UM, THAT THE TRIP RATES PREDICT HOW MANY VEHICLES WILL BE IN AND OUT ON A DAILY BASIS AND ALSO DURING THE PEAK HOURS, THE MORNING AND THE PEAK HOURS.
AND THOSE TRIP RATES INCLUDE ALL VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES, CUSTOMERS, DELIVERY TRUCKS, UH, THE MAILMAN, EVERYTHING.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR TRAFFIC STUDY'S BEEN BASED ON AND WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH VDOT.
UH, VDOT HAS APPROVED THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
VDOT HAS APPROVED THE ACCESS PLAN THAT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER WITH THE, THE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT ENTRANCE ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE EAST DRIVEWAY BEING RIGHT IN ONLY, UH, THE DRIVEWAYS ARE DESIGNED FOR LARGE TRUCKS TO GET IN AND OUT SAFELY.
UH, THE CIVIL ENGINEERS RUN, UH, PROGRAM CALLED AUTO TURN, UH, WHICH RUNS THE, UH, VEHICLE PATH OF THE WB 67, YOU KNOW, THE LARGE TRUCK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRUCK CAN COMPLETELY GET IN AND OUT OF BOTH OR IN AND OUT OF THE WEST DRIVEWAY AND INTO THE EAST DRIVEWAY, UM, SAFELY WITHIN THE CURB AND THEY CAN GET BACK OUT ONTO, UH, WEST BROAD WITHOUT INTERRUPTING TRAFFIC.
UH, IN TERMS OF U-TURNS, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE, THE INBOUND TRUCKS WOULD COME IN FROM 2 88 AND MAKE THE RIGHT TURN IN.
UM, IF THEY TURN RIGHT OUT, THEY CAN EASILY GET, YOU KNOW, ONCE JUST TRAVEL THROUGH SHORT PUMP TO GET TO THE INTERCHANGE TO GET BACK TO 64, 2 95 WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING WITHOUT MAKING A U-TURN.
SO I THINK, UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY IN RESPONSE TO THAT.
IF THERE ANY OTHER TRAFFIC QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
UH, I ASSUME YOU HAVEN'T SEEN HIS TRAFFIC COUNT NUMBERS NOT UNTIL JUST NOW DEALERSHIP, SO CORRECT.
ANY QUESTIONS MOST DEALERSHIPS HAVE, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS, A TEST DRIVE ROUTE, YOU KNOW, UM MM-HMM.
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I MEAN, THE ONLY WAY OUT OF THE DEALERSHIP REALLY IS A RIGHT TO HEAD EAST TOWARDS HENRICO COUNTY, CORRECT? YEAH.AND THE REASON THE, THE EAST DRIVEWAY IS RIGHT IN ONLY, UM, VDOT DID NOT WANT US TO HAVE THE RIGHT TURN OUT BECAUSE THAT WAS, IT WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT BON SECOUR.
UM, THE FEAR WAS THAT PEOPLE EXITING AT THE EAST DRIVEWAY WOULD, WOULD KINDA SHOOT ACROSS TO MAKE THE U-TURN AT BON SECOUR.
THAT'S WHY ALL THE OUTBOUND TRIPS ARE BACK AT THE WEST DRIVEWAY, SO THERE'S MORE ROOM TO EXIT THE PROPERTY AND GET OVER TO MAKE A U-TURN OR TURN LEFT IF YOU NEED TO OR JUST CONTINUE DOWN.
I MEAN, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MEDIUM BREAKS AND TRAFFIC SIGNALS ALONG WEST BROAD WHERE U-TURNS CAN BE MADE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AT BON SECOR, YOU CAN DO IT AT, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
YOU CAN GO DOWN TO THE WEGMANS, MAKE A U-TURN.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE TEST DRIVE ROUTE, I MEAN, I CAN'T, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT.
THERE'LL BE DIFFERENT ROUTES THAT PEOPLE WILL TAKE ON TEST DRIVES.
UM, BUT THE SITE IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE FROM, FROM THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION, BUT WESTBOUND IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE, UH, FROM, YEAH, SO FROM THE WEST, MOST DRIVERS WOULD, WOULD PROBABLY COME DOWN TO WILKES RIDGE AND MAKE A U-TURN AT THAT LIGHT TO GET BACK OVER.
UM, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THIS IS RELATIVELY LOW TRAFFIC GENERATOR IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS.
UH, IN THE AM PEAK WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT 60 VEHICLES PER HOUR, AND THAT'S, THAT'S COMBINED IN AND OUT.
SO IT'S, THAT'S ABOUT ONE CAR, ONE VEHICLE PER MINUTE EITHER ENTERING OR EXITING THE SITE.
AND THE P M P HOUR, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
IT'S ABOUT 80 CARS IN AN HOUR, 80 CARS IN 60 MINUTES.
SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, THIS WILL NOT GENERATE A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC TURNING IN AND OUT, ESPECIALLY FOR A PROJECT THIS SIZE COMPARED TO THE ALREADY APPROVED USAGE, IT'S GONNA GENERATE A FAIR AMOUNT MORE THAN THOSE THEN THE MEMORY CARE FACILITY.
UM, MOST LIKELY, I, I HAVEN'T RUN THAT COMPARISON, SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK EXACTLY TO IT, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE THAN A MEMORY CARE FACILITY, BUT NOT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE, BUT A LOT MORE TRUCK TRAFFIC VERSUS A MEMORY CARE UNIT.
YEAH, A A MEMORY CARE UNIT PROBABLY GENERATES ZERO TRUCK TRAFFIC, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO REQUIREMENTS, I BELIEVE A DEALERSHIP LIKE THIS, AND MAYBE JOEY CAN SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT I IT'S PROBABLY ONE TO TWO TRUCKS PER DAY OF DELIVERIES, I WOULD IMAGINE.
SO, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ALL GONNA HAPPEN DURING THE PEAK TRAVEL TIMES.
I MEAN, THEY CAN, THE DELIVERIES CAN BE MADE DURING OFF PEAK TIMES, MIDDLE OF THE DAY WHEN TRAFFIC IS LIGHTER.
AND WE, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH VDOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ACCESS POINTS ARE WIDE ENOUGH THAT THE CURB RADII, SORRY, THE CURB RADII ARE LARGE ENOUGH SO THAT THE TRUCKS CAN, UM, ESPECIALLY AT THE WEST DRIVEWAY THAT A TRUCK CAN TURN OUT, MAKE THE RIGHT TURN OUT AND GO INTO THE OUTSIDE LANE WITHOUT ENCROACHING INTO THE MIDDLE LANE AT ALL.
THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR BIG CONCERNS AND, AND WE'VE DESIGNED IT TO, UH, TO DO THAT.
AND OF COURSE ONSITE, THE TRUCK CAN GET WHEREVER IT NEEDS TO GO, BUT UNLESS THE TRUCK IS COMING FROM THE WEST HEADING EAST, THEY HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN IN ORDER TO GET INTO THE TRUE, UM, FACILITY.
THAT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY UNLIKELY SCENARIO.
I IMAGINE THE DRIVERS WILL BE ROUTED TO, YOU KNOW, APPROACH FROM 2 88 AND, AND MAKE THE U-TURN, YOU KNOW, FROM WHEREVER THEY'RE COMING FROM REGIONALLY, TAKE 2 88 TO BROAD STREET, TAKE THE EXIT SO THEY CAN TURN RIGHT IN WITHOUT MAKING A U-TURN AND WHEN THEY LEAVE, RIGHT, THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN, NOT NECESSARILY THEY COULD TURN RIGHT OUT AND GET DOWN TO THE 64 ER CHANGE WITHOUT MAKING A U-TURN.
OR THEY COULD MAKE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD MAKE A STANDARD LEFT TURN AT WEGMANS ROUTE BACK AROUND THROUGH THAT AND THEN TURN RIGHT OUT AT BON SECOR.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS TO DO IT WITHOUT MAKING A U-TURN.
AND AGAIN, AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OR TWO TRUCKS PER DAY, SO IT WON'T BE A FREQUENT OCCURRENCE.
WHEN YOU SAY, UH, TRUCKS, ARE YOU JUST TALKING ABOUT CARRIERS OR, YES, SIR.
YEAH, THEY CAN CARRY, YOU KNOW, 6, 7, 8 CARS AT A TIME.
AND OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY.
I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
I GUESS YOU, IT IT, IT'S BEEN STATED THAT THE, THE, THE SITE IS, HAS A LOT OF DIFFICULTY.
WHY THE SITE? IT, IT'S A GOOD SITE.
I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, LIKE I SAID, THE,
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THE, UM, YOU'VE GOT A DEALERSHIP RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.YOU'VE GOT AUTOMOTIVE, UH, OTHER AUTOMOTIVE USES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROXIMITY TO 2 88, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE FUTURE GATE ROAD INTERCHANGE MAYBE.
UM, UH, SO IT'S, IT'S A GOOD SITE AND IT, IT, IT MEETS THE COUNTY'S CRITERIA.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS, YOU KNOW, STAY EAST OF 2 88, UM, IF YOU WANNA DO AN AUTO DEALERSHIP AND THERE AREN'T TOO MANY SITES LEFT EAST OF 2 88.
UM, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, THERE'S REASONS WHY, UH, MY CLIENT'S GONE THROUGH THE EFFORT FOR THIS SITE.
I, I THINK IT'S A, A TOUGH SITE TO MAKE THIS THIS THING FIT INTO I'M MUCH WHETHER THEY'VE SEEN THE, UH, MEMBER CARE UNIT THERE THAT WE VOTED ON A FEW YEARS AGO AND THEY'RE WANTING TO KEEP MEMBER CARE AS AN OPTION.
UH, WHAT'S GOING TO DETERMINE WHEN YOU PULL THE TRIGGER ON THIS VERSUS GOING TO THE MEMORY CARE? WELL, SO WE, UM, MY CLIENT'S WORKING ON, UM, BOTH, UM, THE ARCHITECTURALS THAT THEY WILL NEED TO SUBMIT AND OUR PLAN IS TO ACTUALLY, UM, TRY TO SUBMIT THOSE IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS SO THAT IF, IF IN FACT THE BOARD APPROVES, UM, THE, THE APPLICATIONS THAT, UM, WE WOULD GO VERY SOON THEREAFTER TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THEY'RE ALSO WORKING ON CIVIL DRAWINGS AS WELL.
UH, NOW I WILL SAY, UM, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH, UM, SITE ISSUES WITH NOT JUST, UM, UH, MS. SHERRY AND HER STAFF, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE COUNTY, UM, WORKING ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT SITE ISSUES.
UM, SO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY, UM, IF AS LONG AS WE GET, UM, AS LONG AS MY CLIENT GETS, UH, THE APPROVAL THIS C O A, UM, UH, FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL, I MEAN, HE'S, HE'S LOCKED IN.
HE'S, HE'S ALREADY, HE'S ALREADY INVESTED QUITE A BIT ON THIS SITE.
HE, HE'S REALLY ANXIOUS FOR MOVING FORWARD.
SO WE, WE HAVE ZONING, WE HAVE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND WE HAVE SITE PLAN, ALL OF WHICH WE'RE WORKING ON SORT OF SIMULTANEOUSLY, CONCURRENTLY, SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY MOVE THIS FORWARD.
CAN I MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT? CAN I SPEAK AGAIN? UH, IF YOU WISH.
UM, THE NUMBERS THAT I PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU ARE EXTRAORDINARILY BUSY.
UM, PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SAY THAT WAY, BUT, UH, I CAN'T SAY THAT THEY, THIS IS GONNA BE A LOAD TRAFFIC PROJECT AND IF I'M DRIVING A TRACTOR TRAILER AND YESTERDAY AT WEST BROAD HONDA, WE GOT TWO TRACTOR TRAILER LOADS AND ONE CAR CAME OFF OF EACH TRACTOR TRAILER.
IF I'M TAKING A RIGHT AND THEN I GOTTA DRIVE THROUGH SHORT PUMP AT CHRISTMAS TIME TO GET BACK ON 64, I'M GONNA MAKE A U-TURN WHERE THE QUICKEST WAY BACK TO THE INTERSTATE TO DELIVER THE REST OF MY PRODUCT.
ALRIGHT, I'LL CLOSE THE COMMENT PERIOD.
WHAT THE BOARD WISHES I HAVE, HAVE A QUESTION FOR STATE.
YOU ALL SAY IT DOES NEED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO HAVE ALL, SORRY.
THE, IT DOES, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES SPECIFY THAT AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS, SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE ECONOMIC PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DESIGNATION, UH, THAT WAS PLACED THERE WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS PART OF WEST CREEK.
SO, UM, IN PART OF THE REZONING AND ALSO WITH THE AREA OF THE NOTCH, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE RETAIL IN THERE.
THERE'S DIFFERENT BREWERIES AND THINGS WITHIN THAT, UM, AREA ALREADY.
SO IT'S GENERALLY CONSISTENT IS HOW IT'S STATED.
I MEAN, THE ORIGINAL DESIGNATION WAS FOR PROB, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIMILAR TO UH, WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR WEST CREEK.
AND I WENT THROUGH THOSE IN THE PRESENTATION, JOB GENERATING INVESTMENT, UM, COULD ATTRACT OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES.
SO IN IN IN GENERAL IT IS CONSISTENT WITH IT.
UH, THE STATEMENT WAS MADE AT THE, UH, CENTERVILLE VILLAGE PLAN.
OF COURSE IT HADN'T BEEN APPROVED YET.
SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY PROHIBIT DEALERSHIPS.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT 'EM YEAH.
AS, I MEAN AS WE KNOW, MR. PAGE IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
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AREA HAS A, A NUMBER OF RETAIL AND, AND, AND IT'S, IT'S, AND I THINK THE APPLICANT EVEN STATED WHEN WE MET BACK IN, UM, SEPTEMBER, IT PRETTY MUCH IS IN OUR CURRENT POLICY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DISCOURAGE CAR DEALERSHIPS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 2 88.THIS SIDE IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED, IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE ANYWHERE.
IT'S JUST SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION WE'VE BEEN GIVEN.
WELL, IT'S A TOUGH SIGHT, ESPECIALLY BUDDING RIGHT UP TO, UH, HENRICO COUNTY AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ALONG THAT.
IF YOU, IF THIS WAS IN GOLAND AND WE HAD RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT CLOSE TO IT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A HARD SALE.
I THINK MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH IT IS INGRESS OR, OR EGRESS, YOU KNOW, AND INGRESS WITH, WITH TRUCK TRAFFIC IT'S RIGHT.
WOULD DICTATE WHAT WE DO HERE IN GLAND COUNTY.
YEAH, THEY COULD DO THE SAME THING TO US.
WELL, TRUST ME, THEY'LL DO IT IF THEY, IF IT'S CONVENIENT TO THEM.
WELL, I LIKE BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, MR. D I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
GENTLEMEN, BEFORE WE GO, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT.
SO JUST A REMINDER, WE'RE GONNA TAKE TWO SEPARATE VOTES, THE REZONING FIRST, AND IF I UNDERSTOOD THE APPLICANT CORRECTLY ON THE REZONING CASE, THE HAD, UM, OFFERED TO REMOVE PROFFER NUMBER FOUR.
THIS IS ON PAGE 1 29 OF YOUR PACKET.
SO IF THERE WAS AN APPROVAL MOTION, IT WOULD BE AS AMENDED IF YOU WERE ACCEPTING, UM, THE REMOVAL OF PROPER NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE ONE FOR THE BUILDING MATERIALS, WHICH STAFF HAD COMMENTED.
UM, WOULDN'T IT BE APPROPRIATE? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO GO TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR.
I MOVE TO COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PRO AMENDMENT RZ 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 0 0 8 AT 12,000 5 0 1 BROAD STREET ROAD AS PRESENTERS IS REMOVED.
IS THERE A SECOND? CAN IT BE RECOMMENDED AS PRESENTED OR IT HAS TO BE WITH THE AMENDMENT? WELL, IF YOU WANT TO, UM, ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S OFFER TO REMOVE PROFFER NUMBER FOUR, THEN WE WOULD SAY AS AMENDED.
LET ME, OKAY, LET ME, UM, REPHRASE THIS.
I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PROPER AMENDMENT RZ 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 0 0 0 8 AT 12,000 5 0 1 BROAD STREET ROAD AS AMENDED.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
THIS, IT BEEN RECOMMENDED AND SECONDED THAT THE FIRST CASE BE APPROVED WITH THE DELETION OF THE ONE PROFFER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? WANT TO A ROLL CALL? VOTE.
MS. JACKSON, WE HAVE A TIE VOTE, GENTLEMEN FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION BYLAWS AND RULES OF PROCEDURE ITEM 2.6 0.4 TIE VOTE.
THE FIRST TIE VOTE ON ANY MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY AN ITEM WILL RESULT IN NO ACTION HAVING BEEN TAKEN ON THE ITEM.
AND ANOTHER MOTION IS IN ORDER.
HOWEVER, IF NO OTHER MOTION IS PASSED ON THE ITEM, THE ITEM WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE DEFERRED TO THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND A SECOND VOTE.
IF ANOTHER TY VOTE OCCURS AT THE SECOND MEETING, THAT WOULD BE NEXT MONTH.
AND IF IT REQUIRES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, A TYPO WOULD BE REPORTED.
BUT FOR TONIGHT, ANOTHER MOTION WOULD BE AN ORDER.
IF, IF YOU THINK ANOTHER MOTION WOULD PASS, OTHERWISE IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY, UM, BE SCHEDULED FOR, WHAT MONTH ARE WE IN? IT'S SEPTEMBER.
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SEPTEMBER.IS THAT CORRECT? SEPTEMBER 7TH.
DO YOU HEARING ANOTHER MOTION? WE WISH WE'RE VOTING ON THE, THE FIRST REZONING.
AND WE DON'T VOTE ON THE SECOND ONE IF THE FIRST ONE DOESN'T PASS RIGHT? WE COULD, WE WE SHOULD VOTE.
WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT AS WELL.
YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, YEAH, THEY ARE COMPLIMENTARY, UM, AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I THINK YOU WOULD TAKE A VOTE ON BOTH, RIGHT? GOOD QUESTION.
DID YOU MEAN IN THE SAME NIGHT? YEAH.
IF THE REZONING ISN'T MOVING FORWARD.
WE DO NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE SECOND CASE.
I ASSUME IT WOULD BE THE SAME VOTE, BUT WE, WE, WE, WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THE MOTION SO WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER, BUT WE'RE STILL ON THE FIRST CASE.
MR. COLEMAN SAID YOU COULD MOVE TO DEFER THE C U P INSTEAD OF TAKING A VOTE DEPENDING ON HOW THE FIRST ONE TURNS OUT, TO, TO JUST KEEP THEM LINED UP TOGETHER.
DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION FOR THE REZONING OR ARE WE STAYING WITH THE TIE FOR NOW? WELL, SO IF WE HAD A MOTION TO DEFER TO WHAT? ON, ON THIS VOTE, WHAT DOES THAT DO? I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE HAVE A TIE VOTE WE'RE THEY'LL BE KICKING THE CAN FOR A MONTH AND MR. PUCK WILL BE, UH, BACK.
UH, WE NEED A MOTION TO DEFER OR YES.
I MOVE TO THE COMMISSION DEFER CONSIDERATION OF CON OF THIS IS FOR THE, THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
YEAH, THIS IS FOR THEY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
TO DEFER CONSIDERATION OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PERMIT CU DASH 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 1 0 FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES AND AUTOMOBILE REPAIR AT 12 5 0 1 BROAD STREET ROAD TO THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION DATE.
I'D LIKE TO JUST CLARIFY THAT WE'RE DONE WITH THE REZONING CASE.
THERE WAS NO FURTHER MOTION AND THAT ENDED IN A TIE VOTE AND IT WILL BE DEFERRED TO SEPTEMBER.
SO NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO DEFER THAT ALSO TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
I'LL SECOND THAT ON THE CONDITION OF THESE PERMIT DEFERRAL.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? WE'RE GONNA DO A ROLL CALL.
ON THE MOTION TO DEFER MR. DUKE.
THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND DE DEFERRAL PASSES ON A FOUR OH VOTE.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS? YES, SIR.
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DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR THOSE, UH, IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, AND FOR THE COMMISSION, I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED THIS AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, OUR PRE-MEETING, UH, THE, UH, CENTERVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN WILL BE HEARD AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THIS UPCOMING MONDAY AT 6:00 PM THE LOCATION OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE THIS, UM, THIS ROOM.AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO, UH, ANNOUNCE THAT.
WILL THERE BE ANY REVISIONS TO IT BASED ON THE CITIZENS' COMMENTS WE'VE HAD? UM, THE SAME PLAN THAT WAS, UM, BROUGHT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, ANY DISCUSSION THAT, UM, CAME FROM THE COMMUNITY.
NO FURTHER BUSINESS MEETING ADJOURNED? NO, THAT'S A
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TOUGH CASE.THE THING IS, WHAT OTHER PROJECT CAN YOU DO AND WHO WILLING TO PUT THE MONEY.