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IT'S MY HONOR TO CALL, UH, TO ORDER THE UC COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION WORKSHOP ON SEPTEMBER 5TH.
I'LL TURN OVER TO OUR GURU OF GURU OF ALL THINGS TRANSPORTATION, MR. AUSTIN.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M REALLY DESERVING OF THAT YET, BUT, UM, AWESOME.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE, UM, CHIMING IN.
SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'LL MOVE INTO THE AGENDA.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA REVIEW CURRENT EFFORTS, ONE OF WHICH, UH, BEAT O'S GONNA GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON A PROJECT THAT'S SLATED TO GET UNDERWAY, I THINK RELATIVELY SHORTLY ON, ON ROUTE 2 88.
AND THAT'LL BE ONE OF, ONE OF OUR CURRENT EFFORTS.
UH, TALK QUICKLY ABOUT A FUTURE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF RAIL AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR D R P T GRANT OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, POTENTIAL TRANSIT IN THE COUNTY.
UH, PLANNED FALL 2023 FUNDING APPLICATIONS, AS WELL AS HAVE A QUICK DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD ABOUT POTENTIAL SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS.
I KNOW IT'S THE PRE-APPLICATION CYCLE OPENS UP IN FEBRUARY.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A WAYS AWAY, BUT IT IS ONLY IN FEBRUARY.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT FAR OUT.
UM, AND THEN TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS ON, ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY FOR US.
AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT FUTURE TOPICS IN ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
SO, DIVING INTO OUR CURRENT EFFORTS, UH, THE FAIRGROUND ROAD ROUNDABOUT, THE PROJECT IS APPROACHING CLOSEOUT.
UH, I KNOW THE CONTRACTOR'S WORKING WITH VDOT ON ADDRESSING A COUPLE ISSUES TO GET THE STUB ROAD OPEN AND EFFECT COMPLETE THE PROJECT.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERNS FROM THE SERVICE STATION ADJACENT THAT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH TO GET SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES, I THINK TAKEN CARE OF, AS WELL AS JUST SOME FINAL PUNCH LIST ITEMS. UH, REALLY ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE COORDINATION WITH VDOT ON WHAT WE WANNA DO IN THE CENTER.
UH, PART OF THAT IS MOWING THE GRASS THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.
AND THEN WHAT DO WE WANT TO PUT THERE? I, I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE'LL WANT TO HAVE ONCE THAT PROJECT CLOSES OUT.
UH, KIND OF A SECOND PART TO THAT DEVELOPMENT IS THE FAIRGROUND ROAD EXTENSION PROJECT.
A RE KICKOFF MEETING WAS HELD ON THE 10TH OF AUGUST BETWEEN VON AND STAFF TO JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS AND, AND WHAT WE EXPECT THIS PROJECT TO LOOK, LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD.
OUT OF THAT, A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 16TH AT FIVE 30.
IT'S GONNA BE HERE AT THE, UH, COUNTY COMPLEX IN THE BOARDROOM.
AND CURRENTLY WE'RE ANTICIPATING A EARLY 2028 COMPLETION DATE.
SO THAT'LL PUT US INTO CONSTRUCTION LATE 2026.
SO IT'S A 12 TO 18 MONTH CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME IS WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING.
UH, THE ASHLAND ROAD I 64 INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, IT'S, UH, OBVIOUSLY A VERY PUBLIC PROJECT THAT'S BEEN UNDERWAY NOW IT'S, IT'S OUR NUMBER ONE TRANSPORTATION PRIORITIES.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THAT REALLY GETTING SOME POSITIVE TRACTION.
THE INTERCHANGE ACCESS REPORT, I A R, WHICH I'VE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, UH, IT, IT DID KICK OFF IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
IT IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT TO BE COMPLETED AND SENT TO THE, THE, THE FEDS FOR CONCURRENCE OR OR COMMENT, UH, IN FEBRUARY OF 2024.
THAT WILL REALLY NAIL DOWN THE DESIGN.
WE'RE GONNA GET 10% DESIGN OUT OF THAT REPORT.
SO WE'RE REALLY GONNA KNOW THE FOOTPRINT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS FINALIZING EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF IMPROVEMENT.
ALTHOUGH I THINK IT'S ALL ERRORS ARE POINTING TO A DIVERGENT TIME AND INTERCHANGES HAS BEEN DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.
IT'S JUST REALLY FINALIZING THAT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ON BOARD.
CONSTRUCTION IS SCHEDULED TO START FOR THAT PROJECT IN JUNE OF 2028.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, A KEY MILESTONE DATE TO KEEP THAT CONSTRUCTION ON SCHEDULE IS APRIL, 2025.
IT'S A PHASE CALLED SCOPING THROUGH VDOT THAT AT THAT POINT, REALLY ALL OF THE UNKNOWNS ARE KNOWN.
EVERYTHING IS KIND OF FINALIZED ABOUT THAT PROJECT AND THAT TIME IS OKAY.
WHAT MODIFICATIONS NEED TO BE MADE TO THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE.
SO ANY PROJECT THAT WE HAVE THROUGH OUR PARTNERS WITH VDOT HAVE THAT SCOPING DATE, WHICH IS REALLY KEY FOR ANY PROJECT.
UM, AND, AND ONE THING TO NOTE ON HERE AS WELL IS THAT THE STANDARD PROJECT, PROJECT AGREEMENT OR SPA IS SCHEDULED TO BE APPROVED BY BOTH THE C B T A AND THE C T B IN SEPTEMBER AND NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR, RESPECTIVELY, WHICH WILL OFFICIALLY ALLOW THOSE FUNDS TO BE ALLOCATED AND SPENT BY
SO WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF POSITIVE
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TRACTION ON OUR BIGGEST PROJECT.AND CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES.
SO, UH, THE ENGINEERING IS 10% CORRECT? IS AND SO THAT'S STANDARD? YES.
SO THE I A R WILL GIVE US THAT 10%.
SO WE'RE REALLY GONNA KNOW THE FOOTPRINT.
WE'RE REALLY GONNA KNOW THE LEVEL OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS TO GO THROUGH THAT PHASE OF THE ENGINEERING.
'CAUSE THAT'LL HAVE TO BE A, A WHAT'S CALLED A NEPA REPORT, NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY ACT.
UH, WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS.
THE I A R IS THAT FIRST STEP IN THAT ONCE YOU KNOW THE FOOTPRINT, YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW MANY, UM, IF THERE'S ANY ENDANGERED SPECIES IN THE FOOTPRINT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED TO HAVE ANY MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS FROM THAT STANDPOINT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE MOSTLY WITHIN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING NEEDING A LARGE CHUNK OF PRIVATE LAND TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT.
SO I, ALL OF THOSE UNKNOWNS SHOULD BE RELATIVELY KNOWN.
ARE THERE ANY POTENTIAL, JUST OUTSIDE OF NORMAL DEVELOPMENT, DESIGN, ALL THOSE THINGS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER POTENTIAL DELAYS THAT COULD CROP UP THAT WE DON'T EXPECT AT THIS POINT? I WOULD SAY THERE COULD BE A MILLION.
UM, WE, WE WON'T REALLY KNOW UNTIL WE GET FURTHER ALONG INTO SOME OF THE DESIGN.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S MAJOR UTILITIES WE HAVE UNDER INTERSTATE 64, SO IT'S COORDINATING WITH THAT.
IT'S A 16 INCH WATERLINE BOARD UNDER THE INTERSTATE.
SO HOW DO WE GO ABOUT AVOIDING THAT OR IMPACTING IT AND, AND DO WE MOVE IT? THOSE ARE, I THINK, BEYOND THE 10% ENGINEERING.
OKAY, LET'S START DOING A LOT OF THE FIELD SURVEY.
LET'S START IDENTIFYING A LOT OF THESE UNKNOWNS.
AND AT THAT POINT WE'LL EITHER SEE, HEY, HERE'S A MAJOR HURDLE WE HAVE TO CROSS, OR, HEY, WE MAY BE THIS, THIS MAY BE A FAIRLY SIMPLE DESIGN.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BUT, BUT WELL THAT, AND I WAS ALSO GOING TO, UH, PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED THAT IF, IF THERE WERE DELAYS, IF THEY DRAGGED WITH THOSE IMPACT, THIS TIMING.
PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TIMELINES ARE REALLY NOT CONNECTED TO THIS AT ALL.
SO ONE OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS THAT'S UNDERWAY IS THE HOCKEY ROTARY ALIGNMENT.
UM, WE HAVE NOTED THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL SIGNAL REMOVAL THAT WAS CALLED OUT FOR IN THE SMART SCALE APPLICATION AT THE INTERSECTION OF BROAD STREET AND EXISTING POCKET SLASH ST.
UM, ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS THAT WE'VE COMMUNICATED WITH THE VDOT TEAM THUS FAR IS THAT WE NEED TO UNDERTAKE THAT, THAT FULL LEVEL OF SIGNAL ANALYSIS IMMEDIATELY TO REALLY GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IS IT REALLY WARRANTED TO GO AWAY? WHAT ARE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE TRUE DATA AROUND THAT SIGNAL TO MAKE SURE IF THE DATA RECOMMENDS FOR IT TO STAY, WE CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION PUBLICLY.
BUT IF THE DATA DOES POINT TO A POTENTIAL REMOVAL, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO, TO LEAVE IT.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S THE DESIRE OF, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THE PUBLIC AND THE BOARD.
UM, SO STAFF HAS BEEN COMMUNICATING THOSE CONCERNS EVERY TIME WE HEAR THEM WITH THE TEAM WITH, WITH VDOT THROUGH THAT PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE HEARD.
A KICKOFF MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS, UH, TOMORROW ACTUALLY, WE'RE GONNA START HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS AND, AND WE'LL BE SURE TO BRING UP THE SIGNAL PIECE.
UM, AGAIN, IN THAT, AND WE'VE NOTED THUS FAR THAT THE SIGNAL ANALYSIS HAS TO BE THAT FIRST STEP TO REALLY JUST GET TO THE BOTTOM OF, OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THAT INTERSECTION IF ALL GOES WELL WITH THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A MAY, 2028, UH, SCHEDULED, UH, CONSTRUCTION START DATE.
UH, AND AGAIN, I REFERENCED EARLIER THAT KEY MILESTONE DATE THAT KIND OF FIRMS UP THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE IS THE SCOPING DATE.
THIS PROJECT HAS AN OCTOBER 20, 24 SCOPING DATE SO THAT, AGAIN, WE'LL KNOW ALL OF OUR UNKNOWNS.
WE'LL REALLY KIND OF NAIL DOWN EXACTLY WHAT THIS PROJECT LOOKS LIKE, EXACTLY HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE TO CONSTRUCT AND SO ON.
UM, AND THEN OUR LAST CURRENT EFFORT IS THE ROUTE 2 88 HARD SHOULDER RUNNING LANE.
UH, FOR THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO VDOT, UH, WHILE I PULL UP THEIR PRESENTATION, UM, WHILE WE WORK TO PULL THAT UP.
ONE THING I WILL NOTE WITH THE FAIRGROUND ROAD EXTENSION AND, UM, MR. SPOON HERE, I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'VE TOUCHED ON PREVIOUSLY.
WE ARE WORKING AS STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMING UP WITH A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, LOOKING AT, UM, AS WE WORK TO DEVELOP, UM, ALONG THE ROADSIDE WITH BUSINESS RECRUITMENT RETENTION, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COURTHOUSE, UM, PLANS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY THE FARMER'S MARKET AND HAVING AN ASSESSMENT.
SO, UM, AUSTIN, MYSELF AND MS. WORLEY HAVE BEEN, UM, WORKING ON AN REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS TO GO OUT TO OUR, UM, ON-CALL ENGINEERING FIRMS TO, UM, SUBMIT A PROPOSAL FOR THAT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME VISUALS AND A PLAN FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YEAH, I'M GONNA GIVE A LITTLE SHARE A SHORT PRESENTATION OF BACKGROUND OF THIS PROJECT AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO ROB ALEXANDER.
SO, UH, THERE WAS A STAR STUDY DONE IN 2018 AND CONGESTION AND SAFETY IN THE FACILITY OF 2 88 ON JAMES RIVER BRIDGE DURING PEAK HOURS THAT THE PROBLEM WAS WITH PEAK HOURS.
THE INNOVATIVE, UH, SOLUTION WAS RECOMMENDED TO NON A HARSH OVER RUNNING, USE THE RIGHT SHOULDER AS A TRAVEL LANE, AS TRAFFIC DEMAND DICTATE.
TWO BROAD TWO PROJECTS WERE, UH, RECOMMENDED 2 88 NORTHBOUND
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BETWEEN ROUTE SEVEN 11 AND ROUTE SIX.AND THE O WAS ROUTE 2 88 SOUTHBOUND BETWEEN WEST CREEK PARKWAY AND ROUTE SEVEN 11.
OTHER, UH, HARD SHOULDER SYSTEMS IN VIRGINIA ARE ONCE US I 2 64, VIRGINIA BEACH, I 4 95 AND NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
MAJOR MILESTONES, PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, CITIZEN INFORMATION MEETING C I M.
WE HAVE ONE PLAN FOR SEPTEMBER 13TH AT JAMES RIVER HIGH SCHOOL.
PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE DONE LATE SUMMER 2024, RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT AWAY.
AUTHORIZATION IN EARLY WINTER OF 2024 ADVERTISEMENT WILL BE FOLLOWED 2025 AND BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN EARLY SPRING OF 2026.
TOTAL, UH, FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT IS, UH, 39 AND A HALF MILLION.
THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE C B T A, I'M SURE Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
AND INNOVATIVE TRANSPORTATION TECHNOLOGY FUNDS I T T L.
WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO ROB ALEXANDER.
REAL QUICK, UH, IF YOU HAVE A HARD SHOULDER, DON'T YOU STILL HAVE A BOTTLENECK EVENTUALLY? IS THAT, IS THAT GONNA BE DISCUSSED? OKAY.
THE INNOVATION, THE INNOVATION, IS THAT 8 MILLION, IS THAT BEYOND THE NUMBERS ASSOCIATED? 39 AND A HALF MILLION, BUT THAT'S THE TOTAL.
BUT IT'S EITHER THE EIGHT OR 10 WAS THE, I I JUST REMEMBER HEARING THE EIGHT WAS THE INNOVATION, THE I T T F.
I'M OUR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS DIRECTOR FOR THIS PART OF THE STATE, AND MY JOB IS TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS GONNA WORK.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, I'LL FIELD THE QUESTIONS AS BEST I CAN.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE TO HELP ME, UH, IF I'M, UH, IF I GET LOST.
BUT THIS PROJECT IS IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION ONLY.
UH, AS MARSHALL SAID, THE, THE STARS STUDY LOOKED AT BOTH NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND AND IDENTIFIED AT MS CHOKE POINTS.
BUT THIS PROJECT, UH, WAS ADVANCED IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION BETWEEN SEVEN 11 AND ROUTE SIX.
SO WHAT IS A HARD SHOULDER RUNNING PROJECT? UH, THIS PROJECT ESTABLISHES SHIFTS THE LANE LINES ON THE MAIN LINES SUCH THAT THE, THE RIGHT LANE CAN BECOME A PART-TIME USE SHOULDER.
SO AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, OR IN CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MEANT FROM A TRAFFIC CONGESTION STANDPOINT, THAT THIRD LANE CAN BE OPENED UP AND WILL MOVE TRAFFIC MORE SO THAN IT WOULD IF, YOU KNOW, WITH ONLY TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC.
UM, SOMETIMES YOU HEAR THE USE OF PART-TIME SHOULDER USE THAT, THAT ACRONYM IS USED QUITE A BIT IN THIS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
WE ARE TRYING TO STICK WITH HARD SHOULDER RUNNING AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
SO YOU'LL SEE H S R MOSTLY IN THESE PRESENTATIONS.
UM, THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT, IT WILL CUT TRAFFIC, UH, THE, THE AMOUNT OF TRAVEL TIME BETWEEN MIDLOTHIAN AND UH, AND ROUTE SIX IN HALF BY HAVING THIS OVER.
AND THIS IS USED IN 2025 TRAFFIC VOLUMES.
UH, AND GIVEN THAT THIRD LANE AGAIN REDUCES IN ROUGHLY IN HALF, ALSO WITHOUT, WITH REDUCING THE CONGESTION, WE REDUCING CRASHES.
SO A 57% REDUCTION IN CRASHES IS PROJECTED AS PART OF THIS, UH, AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE ALL GO TO THE BRIDGE.
THE BRIDGE IS THE, UH, IS THE SOURCE OF, OF QUESTION ON THIS PROJECT.
SO I PUT THIS GRAPHIC TOGETHER TO SHOW, UM, THESE ARE TWO BRIDGES ON THE JAMES RIVER IN RICHMOND.
UH, UH, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS INTERSTATE 95, JUST, UH, ACROSS THE JAMES SOUTHBOUND.
AND THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS, IS OBVIOUSLY 2 88 NORTHBOUND.
BOTH OF THOSE BRIDGES ARE 39 FEET FROM PARAPET TO PARAPET OR FROM RAIL TO RAIL, AS WE LIKE TO SAY.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME.
UH, AND THERE'S THREE LANES GOING ACROSS NINE FIVE IN RICHMOND AND HAVE BEEN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S NOT MUCH SHOULDER, AND THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT YOU, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH SHOULDER, BUT AGAIN, THE 1 0 9 IN RICHMOND IS, IS THERE FULL TIME, 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
SO YOU SEE HOW THE LANE LINES SHIFT TO THE LEFT.
UH, THAT GIVES US A FULL 11 FOOT SHOULDER ON THE RIGHT.
UH, AND THAT'S, THAT, THAT OBVIOUSLY STAYS IN PLACE FULL TIME AND THAT RIGHT SHOULDER WILL BE OPEN AND CLOSED BASED ON AS CONDITIONS CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY.
AND AS CONDITIONS WARRANT THE, UH, THE OPENING, UH, I WON'T GO INTO THIS SIDE A GREAT DEAL, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF TECHNOLOGY THAT MAKES THIS HAPPEN.
WE HAVE CAMERA COVERAGE, WE HAVE SIDE MESSAGE BOARDS, WE HAVE DETECTORS, WE HAVE LOTS OF TECHNOLOGY THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS, UH, WITH THIS PROJECT.
UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS MUCH AS, AS LITTLE AS YOU LIKE.
BUT THE KEY PIECE HERE THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT ARE THE, WHAT WE CALL LANE USE CONTROL SIGNALS ARE OVER EACH, OVER THE SHOULDER IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
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SO YOU HAVE EITHER A RED X WHEN THAT SHOULDER'S CLOSED OR A GREEN ARROW WHEN IT IS OPEN.ALL OF THAT TECHNOLOGY, ALL THAT INFORMATION FEEDS BACK TO OUR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS CENTER IN CHESTER.
UH, IT'S IN SOUTH CHESTERFIELD REALLY, BUT THIS IS A JOINT USE FACILITY.
STATE POLICE AND VDOT ARE IN THE SAME ROOM.
WE, UH, UH, WE DO ALL THE DISPATCHING FOR CRASHES IN THE RICHMOND AREA, UH, AT, AT THE LOCATION.
ALL VDOT RESPONSE STATE POLICE RESPONSE IS COORDINATED.
AND THIS, THIS PROJECT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS WILL BE THE CONTROL CENTER FOR, FOR THAT WHOLE HARD SHOULDER RUNNING, UH, MODES OF OPERATION IN NORMAL, UH, AS IT IS TODAY WHEN THE RIGHT SHOULDER IS CLO, WHAT WE CALL CLOSED, UH, IT WILL HAVE A RED X AND THERE'S NO TRAFFIC IN THAT LANE.
SO THERE'S A WIDER RIGHT SHOULDER THAN IT IS TODAY.
UH, AND THAT'S THERE FOR THE MOST OF THE DAY DURING WHEN THE, UH, WHEN THAT SHOULDER OPENS UP, UH, THE GREEN ARROW COMES ON AND TRAFFIC CAN USE THE SHOULDER.
THE LAST, UH, BULLET THAT I WANTED TO BRING OUT IS SOMETHING OUR COMMISSIONER IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT IS THE DYNAMIC ASPECT OF IT.
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AT A CERTAIN TIME OF DAY, LET'S SAY SIX 30 TO NINE 30 EVERY DAY.
IT CAN CHANGE OVER TIME AND IT CAN BE OPENED MIDDAY IF, IF THE CONDITIONS WARRANT WORKING WITH LOCAL POLICE AND FIRE AND RESCUE.
IF THEY SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT A CRASH IN THE VICINITY, WE NEED TO OPEN THAT LANE.
WE CAN DO SO ON THE FLY FROM OUR TRAFFIC OPERATION CENTER.
CAN WE, CAN THE LANE BE CLOSED FOR FIREARM AND RESCUE SPECIFICALLY? LIKE THEY, THEY CAN SAY WE'RE GOING TO A CALL.
ABSOLUTELY CLOSE IT, AND IT'S ONLY GONNA BE ABSOLUTELY I'LL, I'LL TALK, I'LL SHOW ONE MORE GRAPHIC IN A MINUTE THAT SHOWS A LITTLE BIT HOW WE, SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT AND HOW WE'VE INCORPORATED THAT INTO THE PROJECT TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
BUT WE'VE HAD A VARIETY OF STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS THUS FAR.
WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THE CITIZEN INFORMATION MEETING YET.
UH, MARSHALL SAID WE THE CITIZEN INFORMATION MEETINGS NEXT WEEK.
UM, BUT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH, UH, WHAT WE CALL A CONCEPT OF OPERATIONS.
SO WE'VE DOCUMENTED HOW THIS WILL WORK.
UH, WE'VE GOTTEN, UH, INCIDENT AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE INPUT BOTH FROM GLAND, FROM PALATAN COUNTY, FROM THE VIRGINIA STATE POLICE, FROM D I MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS STAFF.
UH, WE TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT WEATHER OPERATIONS, WHEN IT'S RAINING, WHEN IT'S, UH, WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THIS? SO ALL OF THAT IS FED INTO THIS CONCEPT OF OPERATIONS AND HOW THE PROJECT WILL, WILL MOVE FORWARD FROM HERE.
UH, SO HERE'S SOME OF THE KEY INPUT THAT WE DID GET FROM STAKEHOLDERS.
WE'VE ALL AGREED, AND IT'S, IF THERE'S A CHANCE OF HEAVY RAIN, IF THERE'S ANY WINTER WEATHER, IT WILL NOT, IT WILL NOT BE OPEN.
UH, IT WILL STAY AS ITS NORMAL TWO LANE BRIDGE AS IT IS TODAY.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BRIDGE RAIL.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY, UH, CONSIDERATIONS AND KEY CONCERNS THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM GUT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, SO WE HAVE, UH, OUR, OUR BRIDGE ENGINEERS LOOKING CLOSELY AND EVALUATING THE RAIL AS PART OF OUR DESIGN PROCESS.
UM, ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION AND, AND WE, UH, WE AGREED WITH THAT WAS TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT WHEN THE SHIELD THE RUNNING IS OPEN.
SO WE WILL HAVE CHANGEABLE SIGNS ON THE ON FOR THE LIFE OF THE, FOR THE DURATION OF THE PROJECT.
SO WHEN SHIELD THE RUNNING IS OPEN, THE SPEED LIMIT WILL BE REDUCED TO 55 MILES AN HOUR.
UH, THE GRAPHIC THERE ON THE RIGHT IS IN SEATTLE.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THOSE THAT HAVE THE CHANGEABLE MESSAGE SIGNS ON THE RIGHT, UH, ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT STRUCTURE WITH THAT, WITH THIS MESS, WITH THE SPEED LIMIT THAT CAN CHANGE AND BE ADJUSTED AS NEEDED, UH, WE WILL NOT BE ALLOWING TRUCKS ON THE RIGHT SHOULDER.
THERE'LL BE POSTED AS SUCTION, NO TRUCKS TO USE THE RIGHT SHOULDER.
UH, WE'RE PAVING THE CROSSOVERS ON EITHER END OF THE BRIDGE.
AGAIN, THIS IS A REQUEST FROM, UH, LOCAL FIRE AND POLICE TO, UH, FOR THEIR BETTER ACCESS TO THE SCENE TO HAVE, UH, HAVE PAVED CROSSOVERS.
ANOTHER REQUEST FROM, UH, FROM UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS GLAND ON THIS CASE WAS TO HAVE, UH, LANE CONTROL SIGNALS OVER EACH LANE ON THE BRIDGE SO THAT WHEN THERE'S A CRASH, UH, THAT WE COULD OPEN AND CLOSE THE SHOULDER LANE AND GIVE TRAFFIC AN ALERT AS TO WHERE THAT CRASH IS LOCATED.
SO THAT'S AGAIN, BEEN INCORPORATED INTO, INTO OUR DESIGN PROCESS.
AND THE LAST THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS, I THINK PALATAN SUGGESTED THIS WAS TO HAVE SOME MESSAGE BOARDS ON SEVEN 11 BEFORE YOU GET INTO THE HARD SHOULDER RUNNING A PORTION OF THE PROJECT SO THE MOTORISTS CAN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO, WHETHER IT'S OPEN OR CLOSED.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS AGAIN, ANOTHER GOOD IDEA.
SO WE ADDED THAT INTO THE PROJECT.
SO WITH THAT, HERE'S A VARIETY OF POINTS OF CONTACT, UH, MYSELF AT THE BOTTOM, WE GOT OUR PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM.
UH, SCOTT'S HERE REPRESENTING THE PROJECT.
SCOTT CHAPMAN'S REPRESENTING THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM.
AND I'LL BE GLAD TO, UH, FIELD ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'VE GOT.
COMMAND CENTER, CAN WE IMPOSE SIGNIFICANT FINES LIKE IN A WORK ZONE AUTOMATICALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO SKIRT THE, UH, SAFETY CONCERNS WE'VE GOT IN PLACE.
THERE'S VIRGINIA CODE CURRENTLY DOES NOT ALLOW US TO DO AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT FOR THAT, FOR THIS SCENARIO.
UM, THAT MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT THAT'S BEEN, AGAIN, A, A COMMENT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF TIMES
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IS HOW MANY VIOLATORS WILL WE HAVE USING THE RIGHT SHOULDER WHEN THE LANE IS CLOSED? AND CAN THE POLICE SAFELY ENFORCE THAT? ALL VALID COMMENTS, ALL VALID QUESTIONS.WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER, ON THE OTHER PROJECTS IN THE STATE THAT IS NOT A PREPONDERANCE OF TOM, THAT THAT IS HAPPENING.
THAT IS, THAT IS SELDOM AND THERE'S ENOUGH AWARENESS OR POLICE EN ENFORCE ENFORCEMENT THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING A GREAT DEAL.
IF WE GET TO THE POINT THAT THAT IS HAPPENING A GREAT DEAL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TALK WITH THE STATE POLICE, UH, AND SEE WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS SO TO CLEAR.
IF IT'S, IF A IF A STATE TROOPER SAW AN INFRACTION, THEY COULD PULL SOMEBODY.
WE JUST CAN'T DO IT FROM THE COMMAND.
NOW WHERE ARE THEY GOING? ALRIGHT, SO THE THIRD LANE WOULD DROP INTO THE, INTO THE EXIT AT, UH, AT ROUTE SIX AT PATERSON AVENUE, AT PATTERSON ROAD.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE CLEARLY MARKED AT THIS.
IF YOU ARE IN THIS LANE, THIS IS GONNA BE TAKING YOU SIX.
SO THE SIGNS OVERHEAD WILL BE CHANGING, THE GREEN SIGNS TO SAY THIS IS AN EXIT ONLY LANE.
AND, UH, AND THAT, AND THAT WAS WHERE THEY WOULD DROP.
AND AGAIN, STUDIES HAVE SHOWN AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND, AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS BEING PROPOSED TO END WHERE IT IS THAT THE TRAFFIC AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN ONLY SEVEN 11 AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GETTING OFF AT ROUTE SIX ROUGHLY BALANCES ITSELF OUT.
SO THAT THIS, THIS WOULD WORK.
SO IF YOU, YOU'VE GOT THREE LANES NOW.
ONE IS THE, WAS THE SHOULDER, NOBODY'S TURNING RIGHT FROM THE, THAT SECOND LANE.
AND, AND THE, THIS IS NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT LOGIC BEHIND IT, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE PART OF THE LOGIC BEHIND THOSE, THE END POINT IS YOU'VE GOT 64 GOING BOTH WAYS, ALLEVIATING A LOT OF POTENTIAL BACKUPS PRIOR TO THAT PATTERSON AVENUE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
2 88 IS HOW OLD, HOW OLD? WHEN WAS THAT PUT? ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO OR SO.
UH, MID NINETIES I THINK WAS THE FIRST SEGMENTS NORTH, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE NOW 20 YEARS.
SO IT WENT FROM ZERO TO GRIDLOCK IN 20 YEARS.
UH, WHAT'S THE NEXT 20 YEARS? I PLAYED FOR 2 88.
UH, I KNOW IF I DO THE MOVE AND I GO TO 2 95 AND 2 88, I JUST GO TO MOVE AROUND RICHMOND.
IT'S SIX LANES DIVIDED ON THE EAST SIDE, FOUR MAIN DIVIDED ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND SO YOU GET THIS KIND OF THING.
WHAT IS A 20 YEAR PLAN? THAT'S TO, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I'M NOT GOING, THIS IS NOT THE END ALL, BE ALL.
THIS IS, UH, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS A STOP GAP MEASURE THAT IS GONNA BE GOOD FOR 15, 20 YEARS MAYBE.
UM, AGAIN, THERE'S TRAFFIC PLANNERS THAT ARE STUDYING HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS INCREASING.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THE PANDEMIC AND HOW TRAFFIC IS RECOVERING FROM THE PANDEMIC.
UM, AND WE'VE STUDIED THIS AFTER THE PANDEMIC AND HOW, HOW TRAFFIC VOLUMES ARE CHANGING AGAIN AND FEEL VERY CONFIDENT.
THIS IS A GOOD STOP GAP PROJECT FOR, FOR TRADING.
IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT IT'S NOT ONE AND DONE.
NO, AND THIS IS AN EVOLVING, UH, AND I KNOW WHEN THAT FAST TRACKS PROJECTS, IT STILL TAKES A LITTLE WHILE.
AND IF I'M LOOKING 20 YEARS OUT, THAT MAY BE YOUR FAST TRACK.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING ON THIS.
KEEP THIS PERCOLATING ON THE STOVE AND NOT JUST UNDERSTAND, SERVE, APPRECIATE THAT.
CAN I SEE THE BUSY SLIDE OR, YEAH.
SO, UM, I WAS CURIOUS WHEN Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT THE 2 64 VIRGINIA BEACH AND 4 9 5, AND WHEN THIS, WE FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS AND THE INNOVATIVE, I DID HEAR EIGHT TO $10 MILLION FROM THE INNOVATIVE.
IT WAS LIKE, HEY, THIS IS EXCITING.
THIS FIRST ARY A LOT, LOT OF MONEY IN, UH, INNOVATION, LIKE, UH, I GUESS TECHNOLOGY.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS NEW AND IMPROVED AND DIFFERENT AND BETTER HERE? IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE BUILDING ON 2 64 AND 4 9 5? WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S NEW AND FANCIER? AND I SAW THAT BOTTOM RIGHT.
FIBER OPTIC COMMUNICATION TO SUPPORT NEW DEVICES.
TELLS ME YOU'RE THINKING AHEAD TO, SO WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE FUTURISTIC, WHAT IS NEW AND GREAT WITH THIS AND FUTURISTIC ABOUT, ABOUT THIS? THE, THE PART THAT, THAT WE REALLY ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT, AND AGAIN, I I MENTIONED EARLIER OUR COMMISSIONER IS INTERESTED IS THE DYNAMIC PORTION.
WE WILL HAVE MORE SENSORS HERE TO MONITOR TRAFFIC REAL TIME AND CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS TRAFFIC DEMANDS DICTATE.
SO IT'S NOT HARD FAST EVERY SINGLE DAY.
IT'S FROM TIME A TO TIME B MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
AND THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD IN, IN NORTHERN.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEWER, THE NEWER PORTION OF IT.
NOW WE'VE GOT, THE TECHNOLOGY IS DIFFERENT THAT THE, THE DETECTION TECHNOLOGY TECHNOLOGY'S NEWER, UH, WHERE WE'RE DOING SOME
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WEATHER TECHNOLOGY WITH THIS AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T RUN THIS DURING WINTER WEATHER OR IN THE, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENT.UH, SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RAIN GAUGES, THERE'S, THERE'S PAVEMENT DETECTION, UM, SURFACE DETECTION, THAT TYPE OF THING.
IT'S, AGAIN, DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY DO IN OTHER, IN THE OTHER PROJECT.
SO WHAT IS THE FUTURE? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, YOU SPEND TIME SUPPORTING NEW DEVICES.
WHAT, WHAT? SO THE FIBER OPTIC, WE WILL BE BUILDING FIBER OPTIC INTO THE PROJECT FOR THE LENGTH OF THE PROJECT.
UH, SO ALL THE DEVICES WILL CONNECT INTO THAT FIBER OPTIC AND WE HAVE TO, WHAT WE CALL HOME RUN IT, THE, THE COMMUNICATIONS BACK TO OUR TRAFFIC CENTER IN, IN COLONIAL HEIGHTS.
UH, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THROUGH A LEASED CIRCUIT OF, I'M GIVING YOU SOME DETAILS HERE, BUT A LEASE CIRCUIT, UH, BACK TO OUR TRAFFIC CENTER TODAY AT, AT THE BEGINNING IN THE FUTURE, WE ARE BRINGING FIBER OPTIC COMMUNICATIONS OUT I 64 THROUGH GO THROUGH HAND, UH, ENRICO AND TO GLAND.
WE WILL BE TYING INTO THAT WITH THE FIBER THAT'S INSTALLED ON THIS PROJECT.
AGAIN, TO CUT OUT THE LEASE SERVICES AND HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS BACK TO OUR TRAFFIC CENTER.
UM, HAS IT BEEN DISCUSSED OR STUDIED HOW MORE AUTOMATED VEHICLES WILL ALLEVIATE WHAT MR. PETERSON WAS TALKING ABOUT IN, IN THAT, OKAY, WE TALK ABOUT EXPANSION AS A POTENTIAL 20 YEAR PLAN, BUT SMARTER MOVEMENT IS ALSO A GOOD 20, YOU KNOW, 30 YEAR PLAN.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, IS THERE ANYWHERE WITH ENOUGH VOLUME OF THOSE TO BE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE REAL DATA OR ARE WE JUST STILL IN, UH, FORECASTING MODE? WE'RE STILL VERY MUCH IN THE FORECASTING MODE WITH, WITH AUTOMATIC, UM, AUTOMATED VEHICLES, CONNECTED VEHICLES.
BUT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING NOW HAS THAT VISION IN MIND.
THAT, THAT TALKING ABOUT THE FIBER OPTIC COMMUNICATIONS, ALL OF THAT ALLOWS THAT LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN CONTROL CENTER AND VEHICLE IN THE FUTURE, WHICH YOU DO IS YOUR CARS CAN DRIVE CLOSER TOGETHER.
UH, YOU REDUCE HEADWAY, YOU REDUCE CRASHES WITH, UH, WITH AUTOMATED BRAKING AND ET CETERA.
UH, ALL OF THAT, AS YOU SQUEEZE MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH, YOU'RE ABLE TO GET LONGER, UM, SERVICE LIFE OUT OF A PROJECT THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, WHICH IS THE FUTURE WE HOPE.
BUT THAT'S, WE CAN'T, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE YOUR AUTOMATED VEHICLES ARE GONNA HAVE LESS THAN ONE CAR LENGTH FOR 10 MILES AN HOUR.
WE'LL SEE
IF YOU HAD A GUARANTEED SPEED, I THINK YOU TRADE OFF THE DISTANCE.
YEAH, BETWEEN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE HAVE QUICK QUESTION.
SO THIS IS THE NORTHBOUND YES.
WHERE ARE WE ON THE SOUTHBOUND? ALRIGHT, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION CONVERSATION ACTUALLY LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
Y'ALL DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
ALRIGHT, SO BEFORE WE GET INTO, UH, WITH, WITH WHAT, UH, MS. LASEK BROUGHT UP ON, YOU KNOW, FINDING FUNDING FOR OTHER PROJECTS THAT MAY BE RELATED TO THAT ONE WE'LL DISCUSS QUICKLY A, A FUTURE POTENTIAL D R P T GRANT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, TRANSIT AND MICRO TRANSITS HAVE BEEN ON THE TABLE FOR GOOSENECK COUNTY FOR SOME TIME.
IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT HIGH LEVELS.
THAT'S SOME INTERMEDIATE LEVELS, BUT IT HASN'T REALLY GAINED A LOT OF TRACTION.
UM, THE FULL ON G R T C ROUTE TO SHELTERING ARMS IS IN THE G R T C F Y 24 PRIORITY PLAN.
IT WAS ALSO IN THEIR FY 23 PRIORITY PLAN.
SO IT REMAINED UNFUNDED, THUS MAKING IT TO THE F Y 24 PLAN.
UM, THEY DO INTEND ON TRYING TO FIND FUNDS TO GET THAT ROUTE EX FUNDS.
I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT HAPPENED.
UM, THEY DO INTEND ON, ON SEARCHING FOR THE FUNDS TO GET THAT ROUTE EXTENDED TO SHELTERING ARMS. 'CAUSE I DO KNOW THOSE BUSINESSES ARE WANTING THAT, THAT SERVICE EXTENDED TO THEM.
UM, BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET.
DO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR? THEY ARE WILLING TO BUILD A BUS STOP FOR FULL LINE SERVICE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TOLD IS COMING.
THEY BE THE THE BUSINESSES, THE SHELTERING ARMS, THE OTHER MEDICAL OFFICES IN THAT AREA? WHAT, WHAT, LET ME, LEMME REPHRASE.
WHAT I'M ASKING IS, THE BUSINESSES FROM MY UNDERSTANDING HAVE SAID WE WILL, WE WILL FUND THE, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT G R T C'S NOT LOOKING FOR FUNDS TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAS SAID, WE WILL BUILD.
SO ON THE G R T T, ON THE G R T C
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SIDE, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.UM, IN TALKING WITH THEM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NEEDED IS AN ADDITIONAL BUS ADDITIONAL DRIVER, RIGHT.
AND UM, THEN OPTIMIZING THEIR EXISTING ROUTES BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE A NEW ROUTE.
IT WOULD BE TAGGING ONTO AN EXISTING ROUTE.
SO THERE'S THAT LOGISTICAL PIECE THAT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH.
BUT YES, ALL OF THE PARTNERS THAT STAND TO BENEFIT FROM THAT EXTENSION OF THE LINE HAVE BEEN VERY ENGAGED AND WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE.
OKAY, WELL, G R T C UNDERSTANDS IT.
'CAUSE I JUST DON'T, I'M SAYING G R T C SAID, OH, WE, WE CAN DO THIS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO BUILD THE BUS.
I, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I HOPE THEY'RE PURSUING WHAT THEY NEED TO PURSUE AND NOT BEYOND WHAT MAYBE THEY NEED TO PURSUE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH G R T C THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR'S WILLING TO COMMIT OR POTENTIALLY COMMIT TO A PROJECT IF THERE'S OTHER FUNDING ALLOCATED TO IT.
I E IF G R T C FINDS FUNDING FOR LOGISTICS AND A NEW DRIVER OR A NEW BUS, WHATEVER OTHER FUNDING THEY MAY NEED THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR SAYS WE'LL BUILD THE STOP.
YOU KNOW, MAY MAYBE THAT'S AN AGREEMENT THAT WELL JUST MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FOLKS ALONG PRIVATE SECTOR HAVE SAID.
AT LEAST I HAVEN'T ASKED THEM IN THE LAST YEAR PLUS, BUT ORIGINALLY OKAY, THEY'RE STILL ON BOARD WITH THAT.
ARMS, UM, WELL, AND TWO, OUR G R T C ALREADY COMES TO THAT SHOPPING CENTER WHERE WEGMANS CORRECT.
SO THEY NEED ANOTHER BUS TO COME FROM THERE TO CHILDREN IN ARMS. THAT, THAT'S BEEN THE CONVERSATION IS THAT THERE'S FUNDS NEEDED FOR, AND I THINK A BIG PIECE OF IT IS HOW THE EXTENSION OF THAT ROUTE AND THE TIMING, HOW DOES THAT INTERACT WITH THE SCHEDULE FOR THE STOPS THAT THAT SAME BUS WILL BE GOING ON.
IT MIGHT NOT BE, THEY NEED A NEW BUS TO GO TO SHELTERING ARMS, FORMAL ALDI, BUT IT'S, DO THEY NEED A NEW BUS TO BACKFILL? I KNOW IT, IT IS NOT THAT FAR.
BUT WHAT IS THAT FIVE MINUTE, WHAT DOES THAT FIVE TO 10 MINUTE GAP CREATE ELSEWHERE IN THE SYSTEM? I THINK THAT'S MAYBE WHERE THAT CONVERSATION'S COMING FROM.
IT'S ALSO NO LONGER ALDI, BUT WHICH IS WEIRD.
BUT I KNOW SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE STRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE A BUS LINE ENDS AND YOU KNOW, WHERE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ENDS FOR SAFETY AND FOR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS IS DOES THE STUDY WE'VE ALREADY DONE GO INTO THAT? OR HAS THAT BEEN DONE? WHAT? AND AND ARE THOSE VALID? I KNOW, I MEAN, I MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS A HOT BUTTON ISSUE 10 YEARS AGO AND NO LONGER IS IN THE TRANSPORTATION SPACE, BUT I, I KNOW THAT IS A CONSIDERATION.
SO I THINK PART OF HOW WE ANSWER THAT IS THE SECOND HALF OF THIS SLIDE REALLY THE, THE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH G R P T THAT TALKS ABOUT THERE, THERE'S A GRANT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT TECHNICAL STUDY AND CREATE A GOLAND SPECIFIC PLAN RATHER THAN A REGIONAL CENTRAL VIRGINIA PLAN.
SO WE WOULD LOOK AT GOLAND COUNTY IF WE DECIDE TO PURSUE THIS, WE WOULD LOOK AT OUR BORDERS AND SAY, LOOK AT OUR POPULACE AND WHERE ARE THE NEEDS IF THEIR R N E, HOW ARE THEY BEST SERVED AND WHAT TYPES OF USES? IT COULD BE A G R T C, IT COULD BE OTHER PROVIDERS SUCH AS CAT, WHICH IS THE CHARLOTTESVILLE AREA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.
AND THERE'S ALSO A JAUNT, WHICH IS A, A PRIVATE COMPANY I BELIEVE THAT DOES TRANSPORTATION.
AND, AND THERE'S A FEW OTHER USERS OUT THERE THAT CAN PROVIDE TRANSIT.
SO IT'S, IF WE WANTED TO PURSUE THIS, IT'S LOOKING AT, AGAIN, IT'S VERY GLAND CENTRIC.
IT'S NOT HOW DO WE FIT INTO THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION OR, OR TRANSIT PLAN.
IT'S, IT'S OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR THAT.
I AND I'M THINKING WHERE THE EXACT AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, REHABILITATION HOSPITAL IS GONNA HAVE PEOPLE'S CARS FOR MANY, MANY HOURS IF NOT DAYS.
WE HAVE AN AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY THERE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SPACE THAT IS UNIQUE TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
WELL, THERE'S ALSO THE, THE THOUGHT OF OUR MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR, AND AGAIN, THESE ANSWERS WOULD COME OUT OF A STUDY.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR A SPECIFIC COMMUTER ROUTE FROM A, A PART OF CENTRAL VIRGINIA TO SOME OF THESE MAJOR EMPLOYERS? YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE GETTING ANSWERED AS A PART OF ANY STUDY.
SO, UM, THE, THE, UH, MICRO TRANSIT STUDY PHASE TWO, AND I'M PROBABLY BEHIND
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SO I WAS GONNA BRING THIS UP AND TIE IT INTO LIKE, LET'S MAKE SURE IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE PARALLEL TRACKS GOING ON HERE AND LET'S MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT LIKE DYSFUNCTIONAL.
LIKE WE'RE PURSUING TWO PARALLEL TRACKS THAT AREN'T QUITE PARALLEL AND WE'RE REALLY NOT GETTING, GETTING ANYWHERE.
BECAUSE I'LL READ, I'LL READ THIS AS THE AGENDA ITEMS OF
BUT, UM, WE ARE, WE ARE IN PHASE TWO.
PHASE ONE IS WASHINGTON PARK SANEL FROM NORTH CHESTER FIELD.
UH, PHASE TWO OF THE STUDY IS FOCUSED ON REFINING THE RECOMMENDED PILOT ZONES AND DEVELOPING, DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FOR F Y 24.
AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, SOME CONTINUED CONSULTATION WITH THE RURAL LOCALITIES.
AND THEN THIS HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST LITTLE LESS THAN A YEAR, INDICATES THAT THERE IS A DESIRE FOR FURTHER COORDINATION TO PROVIDE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO UNDERSTANDING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION NEEDS IN THE OUTLYING AREAS OF THE REGION BEYOND MICROT TRANSIT SERVICES.
AND THEN THERE'S SAYING THE REQUESTED ACTIONS, A MOTION TO DIRECT T TO REVIEW THE RURAL LOCALITY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION NEEDS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FURTHER ACTIONS.
SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE WE OUGHT TO REALLY BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT AND WORKING WITH NEW KENAN AND CHARLES CITY.
THAT'S COMING DOWN THE, THE PIPELINE TAG.
SO WE'RE REFERRING TO T AND YOU GUYS, SO THAT'S GOING ON.
I MEAN, I'D SAY GO FOR THE D R P T GRANT IF THAT'S, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ASKING US SHOULD WE, BUT, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT DOING BOTH THESE MAKES SENSE AND THAT'S REALLY MEETING OUR GOALS.
AND I THINK WE CAN HAVE AN IMPACT OF T THE G R T C AND, AND CCB T A I THINK THEY KNOW THAT THE RURAL LOCALITIES ARE, ARE GR ERGO THIS THING POPS UP ON OUR AGENDA WITH THE REQUEST.
T I I AND IT SEEMS TO ME, I MEAN MAYBE D R P T AND OUR LOCAL SPECIFIC THING IS FINE, BUT I, I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS TAC RECOMMENDATION.
MAYBE WE CAN, MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, AT ANOTHER TIME.
BUT IN THE MEETING IS WHAT FRIDAY, RIGHT? THURSDAY DAY TOMORROW.
UH, BUT, BUT DIRECTING T TO LOOK AT THIS TAC CAN'T REALLY HELP US MUCH WITHOUT DOING A STUDY.
CAN THEY, ARE THEY GONNA HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO STUDIES? THE STUDIES ARE GONNA GIVE THEM DATA ABOUT GOON SPECIFIC.
THIS WOULD BE SPECIFIC AND WHO'S DOING THE STUDY? WE DON'T HAVE IT WOULD STILL BETC.
AND SO, I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE A CHALLENGE THAT THE LIKELIHOOD THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THE LEVEL OF, UM, SERVICE OR ANY KIND OF SERVICE VALUE INFORMATION FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR DISTRICT, FOR INSTANCE, MS. LAS COLLETTE FROM G R T C BASED, TECHNICALLY I'M BACK TO TAC.
THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO ASK TAC TO REVIEW THIS AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ROLE, THE FAR REACHING LY SEVEN AND HOW ARE GONNA DO THAT WITHOUT, WITHOUT, HOW ARE THEY GOING DO THAT WITHOUT A STUDY? SO, SO I, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS D R P T STUDY, BUT MIGHT THAT'S HOW GONNA HELP US.
MIGHT, MIGHT WE BE AT, WELL I DON'T WITH THE DETAILS CREATE, HE SAYS CREATE A UCHIN SPECIFIC STUDY.
DO YOU THINK WE HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING SOME G D R P T FUNDS IF PEAN GLAND, CHARLES CITY, NEW KEN, ALL SOUGHT TO DO THIS THING, TO LOOK AT RURAL LOCALITIES IN THE RICHMOND REGION? LIKE, MIGHT, MIGHT THAT I DON'T KNOW, BE A WAY TO GET THE GRANT
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PC'S NOT INTERESTED IN THAT.WELL THIS IS D R I'M ASKING FOR D R.
SO D R P T HAS A SPECIFIC PROGRAM THAT THEY DO FOR RURAL TRANSPORTATION.
SO IT'S DESIGNED TO BE ONE OFF LOCALITY STUDIES AND THEY OVERSEE ALL THE FEDERAL PASS THROUGH FUNDS FOR RURAL TRANSPORTATION.
SO THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY STEP THAT'S NEEDED.
AND WITH DOING A RURAL TRANSPORTATION STUDY THAT WE DRIVE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO WEAVE IN THINGS BEYOND JUST MICRO TRANSPORTATION, RIGHT? REALLY TRYING TO TAKE A DEEPER AND CLOSER LOOK AT THE EXTENSION OF THE SERVICE TO SHELTERING ARMS. UM, AND IDENTIFYING THAT IN MORE DETAIL OR LOOKING AT, IS IT JUST THE WESTERN AND EASTERN END OF THE COUNTY OR IS THERE A NEED FOR CONNECTIVITY FROM COURTHOUSE TO PALATAN? RIGHT? JUST LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS WHERE WE DRIVE THAT CONVERSATION.
AND I THINK THE KEY DIFFERENCE, SO THIS I BELIEVE IS COMING OUT OF A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH THE DIRECTOR OF JAUNT MM-HMM.
SO JOHN OPERATES RURAL TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS FOR SEVEN JURISDICTIONS.
EVERY SINGLE ONE IS DIFFERENT.
MOST OF THE, MOST OF IT GETS PAID THROUGH THESE FUNDS.
SO JOHN'S RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT WE APPLY FOR THESE FUNDS SO THAT, AND THEY ARE, THEY'RE DOING A STUDY THAT THEY'VE INCLUDED US, THEN WE'LL JUST BEGIN THIS MONTH'S.
THAT'S A, THIS MONTH OR OCTOBER VERY SOON.
BUT THEY GOT, I FORGET, IS IT VIRGINIA TECH? SO VIRGINIA TECH.
SO THEY'VE INCLUDED US TO DO SOME SCOPING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT SERVICES THEY COULD RECOMMEND FOR US.
AND THEN THIS SORT OF GIVES US FUNDS TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
I THINK THE KEY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE G R T C MICRO STUDY AND THIS STUDY THAT WE WOULD, UH, DO THROUGH D R P T IS THE G R T C MICRO STUDY IS ONLY CAN G R T C HELP US? AND THE ANSWER TODAY HAS BEEN NO, NO.
SO THE D R P D STUDY IS WE HAVE EIGHT PROVIDERS AT OUR SERVICE.
WHICH ONES CAN HELP US? WHICH ONES, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO GET INTO THE COUNTY AND PARTNER WITH IS G R T C? THE SENSE MAKE SENSE ON THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY, PROBABLY IF THERE'S A FULL LINE SERVICE, THE WEST END OF THE COUNTY IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A DIFFERENT PROVIDER.
BUT THE G R T C STUDY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA RECOMMEND ANYBODY ELSE.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE, THEY, THEY WANNA MAKE MONEY, UM, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANNA PUSH SERVICE TO ANY OTHER PROVIDER.
SO I THINK THE D R P T GRANT GIVES US THOSE OTHER OPTIONS, BUT I DO HAVE TO INJECT THIS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT SOLUTIONS.
WHAT ABOUT PRIVATE SOLUTIONS? AND, AND I, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IF, IF, CAN WE PROFFER, IF WE HAVE A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING COMING INTO THE COUNTY, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A TRANSPORTATION SOLUTION TO THE COUNTY LINE IN DISTRICT ONE TO GET TO THE OFFICE AS PART OF THAT.
CAN WE FIND, WELL, OKAY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO HEAR WHAT, THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE I DON'T THINK NO IS AN APPROPRIATE ANSWER.
I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO PASS IT.
THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE JUST TAKING OUR MONEY.
IF WE SAY, OH YEAH, WE'RE JUST GOING THE GOVERNMENT ROUTE, THEY ARE SAVING MONEY AND YOU KNOW, GETTING MORE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, IF THEY CAN GET SOMEBODY TO A P C P, IF THEY CAN GET SOMEBODY TO A, UH, HEART DOCTOR, IF THEY CAN GET SOMEBODY TO ALL THESE THINGS SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE OF TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, THEY ARE SAVING DRASTIC AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS IF WE COME AT IT STRICTLY FROM ONE ANGLE AND NOT LOOKING AT IT FROM A PRIVATE SECTOR, UH, STANDPOINT, WE'RE JUST FEEDING THE BEAST.
AND, AND I JOHN IS PRIVATE SECTOR, ISN'T IT? MM-HMM.
THEY, THEY DO FUNCTION OFF OF SUB, THEY GET ALL THE MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT TAXPAYERS, THEY GET ALL THEIR MONEY.
AND LEMME STEP BACK FROM TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE.
IS IS THERE ANY, I THINK IT SPEAKS VOLUMES THAT JOHN HAS SEVEN DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY DO 'EM ALL VERY DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK THAT THAT MAKES THE CASE RIGHT THERE THAT IT DOES.
WE SHOULDN'T PRE-JUDGE ANY OF THIS STUFF.
BUT, BUT I DO THINK, DO WE KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY TO SAY THAT, AND I THINK YOU SAID A MOMENT AGO, MAYBE THE EAST AND WEST ARE REALLY, THEY ARE DIFFERENT, BUT DO WE KNOW ENOUGH TO SAY THAT THERE'S NO POINT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CONNECT TO OUR BIGGER SYSTEM? I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT.
AGAIN, THERE'S THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THAT WITH THIS STUDY BECAUSE YOU CAN LOOK AT PARTNERING OR CONNECTING TO THE CHARLOTTESVILLE AREA TRANSPORTATION NETWORK AND TO THE G R T C NETWORK AND GETTING JUST MORE DATA-DRIVEN INFORMATION.
AND ALSO CHARLIE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT BUT OUR CRITICISM, I'M SORRY, JUST LOOKING AT WHEN ONE OF THE CRITICISMS IN, IN, DOWN IN PALATAN WHEN THEY DREW THAT CIRCLE AND, AND THIS PILOT ONE, LIKE, AND I ASKED THE QUESTION AT THE MEETING, CAN YOU LEAK? CAN THE DRIVERS ARE STAY INSIDE THAT CIRCLE? YEAH.
SO I GUESS I'M STRUGGLING WITH ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T
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CONNECT MAKES, MAKES ME WONDER, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE, SO THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT I'VE SEEN THAT THEY HAVE CONNECTIONS, BUT IT'S MORE SORT OF THE CALL FOR A RIDES AND THEY'RE TAKING THEM TO THE DIRECT PLACE.SO IT SMALL VANS, TWO, THREE PEOPLE'S REALLY THE ON DEMAND SIDE.
IF YOU WATCH WHAT GUCCI CARES DOES, I MEAN THAT'S, THEY THEY KNOW A LOT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.
I MEAN, THEY DRIVE THE WHEELS OFF THOSE BUSES, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S A HUGE NEED AND THEY'RE GETTING PEOPLE, THE DOCTOR'S VISITS OUTSIDE LIKE HANOVER DASH, I THINK HANOVER DASH HAS TWEAKED THEIR MODEL A LOT AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXPANDING.
THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR CHARTER, I THINK THERE'S LET 'EM GO ALL THE WAY TO MCGUIRE HOSPITAL, BUT THEY'RE EXPANDING TO DO THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
SO I MEAN THERE, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME MODELS OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TRIED AND CHANGE.
AND I THINK HANOVER, ASH JOHN SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE PROBLEMS. UM, I MEAN, MR. MEAN, WELL COURTNEY, WE WON'T NEED TO HIRE DRIVERS BECAUSE NOBODY'LL ANYWAY, BUT
DON'T FORCE SOMETHING LOOKING FOR LOOK TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, ANY REGULATIONS AND COSTS AND PROPER, UH, THEY'RE NOT VERY BIG FACTS PRIVATE SECTOR.
SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY GO IN HANOVER AND THEY GO ACROSS RIVER, THEY'LL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND THAT'S THE, THE NOTION OF REGULATIONS AND COST.
JUST CHASING THE PRIVATE SECTOR AWAY.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, THE PARCEL SOLUTION, NOW IF WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH, UH, THE GLAND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SOLUTION, NEED TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT ACRONYM, ACRONYM BECAUSE GLAND RURAL TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEES ALREADY BEEN TAKEN G O TC.
UM, UM, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA SOLVE AT THIS MEETING, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SERIES OF DISCUSSIONS ON THIS COULD BE A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH AS OPPOSED TO ONE SIZE FITS ALL.
WE NEED A STUDY TO COME UP WITH WHAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO SOLVE AND THEN DESIGN THE MOST EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE, UH, SOLUTION TO KIND OF PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.
SO, AND AGAIN, GOVERNMENT GENERAL OPERATES IN A BREAK EVEN SCENARIO.
YOU TRY TO MAKE TRYING TO LOSE BREAK EVEN.
SO LET'S GET PART OF THE SOLUTION AS WELL.
AND THIS IS A, UM, STEP ONE IN THAT DIRECTION.
WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT? IT'S GONNA BE IN THE RANGE, WHAT? 50 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND? NO, THEY SAID 50 TO 75,000 IS GENERALLY WITH THESE STUDIES RUN LOCALITIES.
SO IF HALF OF THAT WOULD BE, HALF OF THAT WOULD BE OUR COMMITMENT.
I, I DO WANT ONE MOMENT FOR REBUTTAL.
MR. PETERSON IS OVER 50% OF THE COMMONWEALTH'S BUDGET.
I MEAN THIS IS NOT, I I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PRIVATE SECTOR NEEDS TO BEAR ALL THESE COSTS, BUT THE TAXPAYERS ARE CURRENTLY BEARING THIS TO THE TUNE OF HALF OF THEIR, UH, MONEY THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE COMMONWEALTH.
SO THIS IS NOT AN ANTI-CAPITALISM COMMENT IS LET'S MAKE THE MOST SENSE.
MY ONLY THING IF IT'S A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT NOW POPS AND WE'RE THE JURISDICTION, THAT'S ALL.
SO IF EVERYBODY'S DOING IT FINE, I'M NOT FAN.
SO JUST FROM THE TIMING PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE ONE HOUR TO GO AND LIKE TWO OR THREE MORE TOPICS, UM, I THINK WE'LL BE ALRIGHT.
BUT YEAH, IT IS A 50 50 SPLIT, 50 TO SEVEN FIVE K THAT WE CAN EXPECT APPLICATION DEADLINES DECEMBER 1ST.
I I WOULD ANTICIPATE THIS PROBABLY BEING A OCTOBER REVIEW WITH THE BOARD JUST TO TALK ABOUT COST AND, AND ASK FOR THAT, UH, TRANSFER EITHER OCTOBER, NOVEMBER AND WHEN YOU COME, NOT THE TRANSFER UNLESS FOR OKAY.
AND AUSTIN, IF, IF THE, IF THE TPO O PASSES THIS AND LANDS T MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, JUST KEEP US, LET, MAKE SURE WE GET ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, YOU GET INFORMATION FROM US OR WHATEVER YOU NEED TO, TO HELP DRIVE, UM, THIS, UH, TACK RURAL LOCALITY, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION NEEDS STUFF THAT YOU'RE DOING.
IT'S A GOOD PARALLEL PATH THAT WE'RE GOING UNDER WITH THIS AND THAT I, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO FIND OUT THE ANSWERS TO, TO WHAT WE NEED.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE SOME EARLY, ONE THING WAS TO JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT AUDI IS NOT CLOSING, ALDI IS CLOSING.
THIS ANYONE HEARD? IS IT I'M SORRY.
WHERE? OH, THE AL THE ALDI ACROSS THE STREET.
SO FROM THAT I'LL MOVE INSIDE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
SO THERE'S REALLY FOUR UPCOMING BOTH THIS FALL AND, AND IN THE SPRING OF 2024 WE'RE LOOKING AT REVENUE SHARING.
TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES ARE TAP, UH, CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY FUNDING IS THIS FALL.
AND THEN SMART SCALES WHAT'S GONNA BE POPPING UP IN THE SPRING.
SO REVENUE SHARING APPLICATION.
WHAT STAFF SUBMITTED THUS FAR IS FOR THE OLDVILLE I 64 WESTBOUND ROUNDABOUT TO FINALIZE THAT PROJECT.
IT'S ONE THAT WE RECEIVED AFTER WE APPLIED FOR FEDERAL GRANT MONEY.
WE WERE ABLE, WE SUCCESSFULLY GOT THAT THROUGH THE UM, COMMUNITY PROJECT FUNDING PROGRAM THROUGH THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
OUR REVENUE SHARE APPLICATION WILL BE FOR $3.3 MILLION, WHICH IS A
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50 50 SPLIT.UH, SO IT'LL BE 1.6, $1.7 MILLION, WHICH STATUTES ALREADY KIND OF EARMARKED CERTAIN FUNDS FOR THAT.
PLUS WE HAVE THE, THE LOCAL MATCH REQUIRED FOR THE FEDERAL GRANT.
UM, AND THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT IS 8.3 MILLION.
THE, THE SIZE OF OUR ASK, THE FACT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR A ROUNDABOUT THAT'S ON AN INTERSTATE SYSTEM THAT BACKS UP CONSIDERABLY IN THE P AND P.
WE STAND A CHANCE OF THIS BEING A VERY SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION TO RELIEVE THAT CONGESTION ON I 64.
UM, AND HERE'S A SKETCH OF IT.
ONE DIFFERENCE THAT FROM THIS ROUNDABOUT OR THE ONE AT 5 22 AND TWO 50 THAT WILL LIKELY BE ON THIS PROJECT AS IT MOVES FORWARD IS GETTING MY WORK HERE, IS THERE WILL BE A RIGHT SLIP LANE THAT THOSE FOLKS GO HEADING RIGHT TO GO TO THE EXXON RIGHT THERE OFF THE OLDVILLE EXIT.
WON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO ENTER THE ROUNDABOUT.
THEY'LL JUST GO THROUGH A SLIP, A SLIP LANE AND ACCELERATE OFF THE OLDVILLE ROAD.
I WANTED TO POINT OUT FOR THE BOARD HERE.
SO THERE'LL BE A RIGHT TURN LANE ESSENTIALLY THAT IF YOU'RE GOING RIGHT HEADING TO HANOVER COUNTY OR TO THE EXXON RIGHT OFF THE INTERSTATE, YOU WANT ACTUALLY HAVE TO ENTER THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO REALLY IT'S ONLY THE FOLKS THAT ARE HEADING TO BRONX STREET.
YOU GET OFF HERE RIGHT NOW, YOU JUST EITHER STOP AT THE STOP SIGN HERE AND MAKE A LEFT OR RIGHT.
UM, IF YOU'RE HEADING RIGHT, YOU JUST GO IN THE SLICK LANE AND AVOID THE ROUNDABOUT ALTOGETHER.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE KEY DIFFERENCE I WANTED TO POINT OUT FOR THE BOARD'S KNOWLEDGE, IT SHOULD MAKE IT FUNCTION A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENTLY FOR THOSE RIGHT.
OR WESTBOUND AND TO ALLEVIATE ANY BACKUP ON THE RAMP.
UNTIL THE PERSON REALIZES THEY REALLY WANTED TO, THEY'RE ALREADY TURNING AROUND.
SO TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES IS ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE THIS FALL.
BUT THE STAFF IS CURRENTLY SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION FOR, WE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE.
UH, IT'S THE COURTHOUSE CONNECTIVITY PHASE ONE APPROACH, WHICH IS SIDEWALK FROM REMAR TO GOOSE CARES.
THERE'S CURRENTLY ZERO SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE OF ROUTE SIX RIGHT HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE.
IT'S ABOUT 2,500 LINEAR FEET IN THE SIDEWALK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE INSTALLING.
UM, THE GOAL OF THE COURTHOUSE SMALL AREA PLAN WAS TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF CONNECTIVITY.
THIS IS KIND OF PHASE ONE OF THAT.
THIS IS A LAP PROJECT, RIGHT? IT WILL BE, YES.
THAT IS, I'VE GOT THE ACRONYM DOWN AND THIS IS EXCITING
SO IT'S BOTH A TAPPING AND YOU IN CHARGE AUSTIN? UH, THAT'S THE PLAN.
UH, SO YEAH, VDOT HAS REQUESTED OUR, UH, SUPPORTED OUR REQUEST TO ADMINISTER THIS PROJECT LOCALLY, WHICH MEANS WE WILL HOPEFULLY AVOID SOME OF THE BACK AND FORTH WE HAD ON A COUPLE OTHER PROJECTS WITH
SO THIS WILL BE OUR FIRST ONE.
VDOT IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
KIND OF START SMALL AND YOU KNOW, WORK OUR WAY UP TO TURN LANE PROJECTS AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND SO ON.
BUT IT'S KIND OF STEP ONE AND US MANAGING SOME OF OUR OWN PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE.
THE, THE COST IS MORE THAN JUST THE ACTUAL CONCRETE.
IT'S ALSO DESIGNED RIGHT OF WAY CONSIDERATIONS.
UH, MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE TO MOVE A POWER POLE THAT STILL BE DETERMINED.
UM, THAT'S ANTICIPATING EVEN ACQUISITIONS.
'CAUSE THERE WILL BE SOME UM, SHOULD BE NO FEE SIMPLE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, BUT THERE WILL LIKELY BE SOME EASEMENTS FOR CREATING AND EVERYBODY ALONG THAT, UH, LENGTH OF THAT 2,500 FEET IS GONNA BE GETTING A NEW DRIVEWAY.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING MEETS A D A ACCESSIBILITY.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS BEYOND JUST POURING SIDEWALK.
THAT'S STILL HALF THE PRICE OF THE FALL ON TRAIL.
IT IS EVERYTHING COMPARED TO FALL ON TRAIL.
WHICH IS DIRT, RIGHT? UH, IT IS A CURRENT OF $1.3 MILLION REQUEST AND IT IS A SPLIT 80 20 BETWEEN STATE AND LOCAL.
MUCH LIKE WE DID THE EASTERN TRAIL PROJECT.
THAT WAS AN 80 20 SPLIT BEFORE WE DECIDED TO FOREGO TO TAP A GRANT ON THAT PROJECT.
AND THIS IS JUST A SKETCH OF IT.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING SIDEWALK FROM CURRENTLY THE CG 12 THAT'S AT THE SIGNAL RIGHT HERE AT REED MARSH DRIVE.
IT'S GONNA EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO TIE TO THE BRAND NEW SIDEWALK OCCUPATIONAL CARES.
WE WILL BE REPLACING THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THAT CHURCH THAT'S CURRENTLY FOR SALE.
UM, THERE'S KIND OF DEFUNCT SIDEWALK IN THAT WE ANTICIPATE NEEDING TO REPLACE THAT AND VDA TOLD US IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PART OF THE SCOPE 'CAUSE IT'S FALLING APART.
WE HAVE TO CREATE THAT ACCESSIBILITY FROM THE, FROM ONE TERMINUS TO THE OTHER.
SO WE ADDED A RIVER YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE BYPASS.
SO THE LIBRARY RIGHT HERE, YOU WOULD WALK ON THE SIDEWALK HERE AND THEN JUMPED TO THIS PART OF THE PAGE AND THERE'S TWO PAGES ON ONE VISUAL.
THAT'S HOW THE EXHIBIT WAS SET UP.
IS YOUR MANAGEMENT EXPERTISE THAT, UH, IS GONNA GUIDE THIS THROUGH THE PROCESS, IS THAT A SOFT DOLLAR CONTRIBUTION OR IS PART OF YOUR SALARY ABSORBED BY THE PROJECT
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THIS WE COUNT MATCH.I DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN'T THINK THAT'S TOO MANY CUPS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, WE CAN USE LOCAL FUNDS FOR, WE CAN REIMBURSE OURSELVES ANY PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
WE CAN BILL PROJECT MANAGEMENT DOLLARS TO THE PROJECT OUT OF THAT 20% MATCH COVERED.
SO, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL THIRD PARTY ASSISTANCE OR IF WE DECIDE TO BILL YOU COULD ALSO USE CCBT.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, TRACK AUSTIN'S HOURS AND JUST HAVE THEM.
THIS IS A QUESTION PERTAINS TO THIS PROJECT, BUT I ALSO HEARD YOU SAY THIS ISN'T GETTING OUR TOE OF THE WATER.
WE GONNA DO MORE AND MORE CORRECT JUST AS WE GO.
IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET COMPENSATED FOR YOUR TIME, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS NOT FREE.
IF IT'S NOT SOFT CONTRIBUTION, WHATEVER, IT'S SOME KIND OF CREDIT FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS.
UH, SO THE C B T APPLICATIONS OPEN UP, ACTUALLY THEY'RE OPEN NOW.
THEY CLOSED ON SEPTEMBER 29TH.
UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH ONE OF OUR ON-CALL CONSULTANTS TO PULL TOGETHER, UH, TWO OF THE SCENARIOS SPECIFICALLY.
TWO OF THEM WERE, UM, UH, I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A MINUTE.
BUT ONE OF 'EM IS THE, UH, FAIRGROUND ROAD MAIN ROAD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT DIRECTION OF THE BOARD.
NEWBERRY'S, UH, PROVIDING ANALYSIS OF TWO SCENARIOS, BOTH THE TURN LANE SCENARIO AND THE SINGLE LANE
THEY'RE JUST DOING A LITTLE BIT OF, OF A DEEPER DIVE INTO THAT, PROVIDING JUST SOME ADDITIONAL JUSTIFICATION FOR BOTH PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, SHOWING THE BENEFIT AND SO ON.
UM, STAFF WILL SHARE BOTH OF THOSE SCENARIOS AND ANALYSIS WITH THE BOARD.
UH, ONCE WE RECEIVE IT SCHEDULED TO BE RECEIVED ON SEPTEMBER 16TH.
UM, THE DECISION FROM THE BOARD WILL BE CRUCIAL BECAUSE APPLICATIONS ARE DUE BY 5:00 PM ON THE 29TH OF THIS MONTH.
SO WHEN WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, WE'LL WANT TO HAVE A CLEAR ANSWER KIND OF COMING OUT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHICH PROJECT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVING FORWARD.
WHEN WE GONNA MAKE YOU DO THAT, IT WOULD BE TWO BY TWOS.
UM, THE 16TH IS THAT FRIDAY BEFORE TWO TWOS.
UM, AND COST SENTIMENTS FOR BOTH PROJECTS ARE STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
SO I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE ON, ON THAT FRONT, BUT HERE IS A BLOW UP OF WHAT BERRY'S PULLED TOGETHER FOR THE CONCEPT HERE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPANSION ON THE CONCEPT THAT WAS IN THAT FAIR ON CORRIDOR STUDY.
THE, THE FOOTPRINT HAS EXPANDED A LITTLE BIT TO MEET GEOMETRY AND ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT'S A LEFT TURN LANE ON FAIRGROUND ROAD TO TURN ONTO, ONTO MAIDENS BOTH DIRECTIONS.
AND THEN A RIGHT TURN LANE, DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE FOR THE NORTHBOUND MAINTENANCE APPROACH.
FOLKS COMING FROM THE RIVER WILL BE ABLE TO TURN RIGHT AND NOT BE HELD UP BY SOMEBODY TRYING TO TURN LEFT.
AND THEN AREN'T THEY ALSO ENGINEERING THIS TO BE ABLE TO, IF FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD WE WANTED TO LOOK, IF, LET'S SAY IT'S STAGE ONE, TWO, WE GOT TWO A ROUNDABOUT.
ARE THEY BUILDING THIS TWO SPECS SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMO MAKE THE ROUNDABOUT IN THE FUTURE? ROUNDABOUT IS SUCH A, A TRICKY PROJECT THAT IF THEY WERE TO BUILD THIS TODAY, IF, IF THIS WERE OUT THERE TODAY, THAT LIKELY GETS ALL RIPPED UP, ESPECIALLY AT THE INTERSECTION ITSELF.
ONE THING WE WOULD WANT LOOK AT IS WHICHEVER PROJECT HAS THE GREATER RIGHT, RIGHT OF WAY FOOTPRINT, WE WOULD WANT TO PURSUE TOTAL RIGHT OF WEIGHT RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO BACK TO PROPERTY THERE TWICE EASEMENTS.
THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO THE MAXIMUM NOW, UM, WE WOULD WANNA PURSUE THAT, BUT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE PAVEMENT WOULD BE THE SAME, BUT IT'S ALL GONNA GET COMPLETELY RIPPED UP AND AND DAMAGED BY CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO ENGINEER IT, SO TO SPEAK, TO JUST TO WRAP THE ROUND AWAY.
THAT'S THAT, THAT'S THE BIG PIECE.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE CONCEPT THAT THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD TAKE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SMALLER FOOTPRINT RIGHT AWAY.
CONSIDERATIONS WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME FOR BOTH WHEN YOU, THEY'RE CURRENTLY TABULATING ALL THAT TO GET FINAL NUMBERS, BUT IT'S, IT WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE ABOUT THE SAME, UH, FOR, FOR BOTH.
THIS ONE WOULD BE SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THE ONE RIGHT HERE.
UH, IT WOULD BE, THIS ONE WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO THE ONE AT 5 22 AND TWO 50, WHICH IS JUST THE HAIR BIGGER THAN THE ONE WE HAD INSTALLED HERE.
WHY? UH, IT WAS RIGHT AWAY CONSIDERATIONS, THE BUSINESS, BUSINESS ON THE CORNER, THAT WOULD'VE TAKEN MORE OF THE PARKING LOT TO PUT A LITTLE BIT, AND I'M NOT TALKING, IT'S TWICE THE SIZE.
IT'S JUST A FEW FEET BIGGER, UH, IN, IN CIRCUMFERENCE.
SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGER IT'S, THE MORE LAND YOU'RE TAKING.
SO SMALLER, WE TAKE THIS LAND, THE, THE SMALLER ONES WE ARE PURSUING CURRENTLY THE BIGGER VERSION OF THE TWO.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT BY DOUBLING OR ANYTHING JUST TO FACILITATE TRACTOR TRAILERS ALSO, BECAUSE THIS IS A HEAVY, WE DIDN'T BUILD A BIGGER ONE DOWN.
WE BUILT A SMALLER BECAUSE OF TAYLORS.
SO WE BUILT A SMALLER VERSION BECAUSE OF TAYLORS AND, AND, AND RIGHT OF WAY WAS VERY TIGHT IN THAT VICINITY.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THE ENTIRE BALL FIELD, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE THAT, UH, STAY FOR, FOR A PARKS AND REC FACILITY.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE FOLKS LIVING ON EACH CORNER.
THERE'S A VET AT, AT ONE OF THE CORNERS.
SO THERE ARE OWNERS OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
THERE'S NOT VACANT LAND, BUT THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE SO TO SPEAK.
THAT WOULD BE IN THE WAY OF THE, THE LARGER FOOTPRINT.
SO WE WOULD PURSUE THE LARGER AND THE MORE EXPENSIVE FOOTPRINT NOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE CONVERSATIONS THAT GOES SMALLER LATER.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE? CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE WOULD LIKE TO BE THE SAME DISRUPTION.
THIS FOOTPRINT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LONGER ON FAIRGROUND ROAD BECAUSE OF
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REQUIRED TRANSITIONS AT 45 MILES AN HOUR.UM, SO IT'S, BOTH OF THEM ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE THAT 15 TO 18 MONTH TIMEFRAME THAT WAS EXPECTED HERE.
I THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH ROAD PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY AT A BUSY INTERSECTION WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO TAKE PLACE.
IS IT A
THAT'S A PLAN THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER AS PART OF ANY CONSTRUCTION PLAN THAT V NINE DOES.
IT'S A MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC PLAN AND IT SHOWS EXACTLY WHERE EACH SIGN IS GONNA GO AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE PROJECT.
AND, AND BECAUSE WE'RE, I MEAN THIS WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT DETOURS DEPENDING ON WHEN PEOPLE SAW WELL, THE GOAL WOULD BE NOT TO HAVE A CLOSURE.
THE GOAL WOULD BE TO FACILITATE TRAFFIC THROUGH THIS.
'CAUSE I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT HEADACHES THAT CAUSED ON FAIRGROUND ROAD.
SO I I CAN'T SAY IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT ANY CONSTRUCTION HERE, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE THE GOAL IS TO NOT HAVE ANY CLOSURES ON, ON RI ROADS.
I'M NOT SEEKING TO LOCALLY ADMINIS THIS ONE ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT
UH, OUR, OUR SECOND ONE AND THIS LAST COLLETTE, ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS WAS THE SOUTHBOUND OR SHOULDER RUNNING LANE.
SO WE, WE ARE GONNA PURSUE THIS AS A C P T APPLICATION.
IT WAS A FAILED SMART SCALE APPLICATION IN ROUND FIVE.
UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE SHEER COST AND THE LACK OF LEVERAGE DOLLARS.
UH, THE COST IS JUST SHY OF $60 MILLION FOR, AND THAT INCLUDES ALL THE TECHNOLOGY AND EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S TURNKEY OPERATIONS OF 60 MILLION.
UM, WITH THIS, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ASKING THE C B T A FOR THE FULL AMOUNT.
WE'RE GONNA START HERE AND TRY TO COMPILE AS MANY POTS OF MONEY TOGETHER AS WE CAN FOR A $60 MILLION ASK.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET IT FROM ONE PLACE.
UM, SO WE'RE, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH CCB T A STAFF AT VDOT AS WELL.
SO, BUT THE STAFF'S THOUGHT IS THAT 10 TO $15 MILLION RANGE.
WE THINK WE CAN BE COMPETITIVE IN C B T A AND THAT PUTS US ON THE RIGHT TRACK FOR OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THIS IS JUST A SNIPPET OF IT, HAVING THE PRESENTATION BEFORE, I DIDN'T FIND A BETTER EXAMPLE, BUT I THINK THE PRESENTATION BEFORE KIND OF HELPED AS FAR AS WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE.
IT'S GONNA BE THE EXACT SAME SETUP, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 2 88.
ANOTHER ONE OF OUR CCBT APPLICATIONS IS ANOTHER ROUTE 2 88 PROJECT.
IT'S GONNA BE THE SOUTHBOUND ON
UH, THE COST ESTIMATE IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE IN THAT 30 TO $40 MILLION RANGE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS WILL BE A LEVERAGING APPLICATION WHERE WE'RE GONNA SEEK THAT 10 TO $15 MARK AND THEN WE WILL AGAIN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH C B T A STAFF AND, AND VDOT TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHAT OTHER POTS OF MONEY SHOULD WE BE AFTER FOR THIS PROJECT? UM, BOTH THE PARTIAL SHOULDER RUNNING LAND AND THIS PROJECT, AND ACTUALLY THE NEXT PROJECT, THEY'RE ALL HIGHLIGHTED IN THE GATE AND INTERCHANGE REPORT.
SO THE GATE AND IR THAT, THAT
SO IT KIND OF SPEAKS TO REGIONALISM BOTH AS PROJECT BENEFITS, THE REGION AS A WHOLE.
SO I SAW, I SAW THAT SECOND APPEARANCE OF THAT BULLET GATE AND INTERCHANGE REPORT.
WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR US? DOES THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GATE AND ROAD CHANGE REPORT SAYS, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT WHAT IT SAYS GIVES SUPPORTS THE SCORING BETTER.
SO MUCH LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH I 64 AND ASHLAND ROAD, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE I A R, THAT'S WHAT HENRICO COUNTY HAD TO DO TO JUSTIFY THEIR INTERCHANGE ON THE GATE AND ROAD OVERPASS.
UM, BUT IN THE COMPANY WITH THAT PROJECT, THEY ALSO HAVE A MYRIAD OF IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT REPORT AS A WHOLE.
SO, AND WHAT ENRICO COUNTY'S DOING CURRENTLY IS THEY'VE SUBMITTED THAT REPORT AS A STACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYING FIND MONEY FOR ANYTHING IN HERE.
AND THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.
NOW, WE SUBMITTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THAT APPLICATION TO SECRETARY BUTTIGIEG.
UM, SO ONE OF THESE, THE PROJECTS ON ROUTE 2 88 COULD ALSO BE FUNDED THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
UM, THAT'S A HENRICO COUNTY ASK FOR A PROJECT IN GOLAND.
SO IT'S, IT'S THESE, THE, AND THE NEXT PROJECT'S ALSO ON 2 88.
THE, THE 3 2 88 PROJECTS WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE GATON IR.
SO THEY BENEFIT BOTH GOLAND COUNTY EMPIRICALLY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA DELAYS AND CONGESTION.
LIN BUILD A PROJECT THAT RELIEVES IT AND, BUT IT ALSO IMPACTS CITIZENS AND, AND COMMUTERS FROM OTHER COUNTIES.
WASN'T THIS THE PROJECT THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED? WE STRIPPED THE FUNDING FROM THIS PROJECT, THE FULLY FUNDED ED, BUT IT WAS ONLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE 16 OR 19.
IT WAS THE C D T A ESTIMATES AS A PART OF THAT ROUND WERE FLAWED SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, THE, I I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THEY WERE PROBABLY 50% OF WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
UH, AS YOU RECALL, WHEN WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS AT THE TIME, WE WERE ONLY PURSUING THE SINGLE LANE D D I AND THAT WAS ALSO FULLY FUNDED AT THE TIME TO A 16, 17 MILLION BILL.
WHEN I TALKED TO FOLKS AT VDOT, THEY WERE ESTIMATING IT WAS A 30 TO $35 MILLION PROJECT.
SO INHERENTLY THE CCB T A HAS THE LAST ROUND WERE FLAWED.
THAT HAS SINCE BEEN KIND OF UPDATED IN THE GUIDELINES.
UM, SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS MM-HMM.
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A C B T A IS, HEY, WE WANT $10 MILLION FOR A 50 MILLION PROJECT REMAINING FUNDS TO BE DETERMINED.
SMART SCALE IS ONE OF THE ONES WHERE YOU HAVE TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHERE ALL OF OUR MONEY IS.
HERE'S THE FUNDING RESOLUTIONS, HERE'S ALL THE PAPERWORK THAT SHOWS WE HAVE 40 MILLION TO ASK TO SUPPORT OUR 10 MILLION ASK.
C B T A IS ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS IN FUNDING THE PROJECT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE REST OF THE MONEY FOUND, SO TO SPEAK.
YOU'RE JUST SAYING WE NEED 10 WHILE WE PURSUE EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THAT WAS THE SAME THING WITH THE LAST ROUND OF CBT A FUNDING AS WELL.
THIS IS JUST A QUICK EXHIBIT, JUST SHOWING IT'S A, A FULL THREE LEVEL LINE.
MY COMMENT ABOUT AUTOMATED VEHICLES CAME, I'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT SECRETARY OF TIGIE.
UM, TO MAKE THOSE NUMBERS LOOK SMALLER THAN 60 MILLION, 70 MILLION MM-HMM.
BUT WE RECOMMEND A LESS EXPENSIVE ALTERNATIVE AND JUST GO
JUST TRYING TO ORIENT THEIR PERSPECTIVE A LITTLE BIT AS OPPOSED TO TEN'S A LOT SIXTIES, NOT STARTER.
IT IS A CHALLENGE CHASING MONEY.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
UM, AND OUR FOURTH AND, AND FINAL C B T A APPLICATION, WHICH WE HAVE FOUR SLOTS, SO WE ARE FILLING THEM ALL, IS ANOTHER ROUTE 2 88 PROJECT, BUT IT'S ALSO AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO 50.
IT'S, IT'S A VARIETY OF IMPROVEMENTS ON BROAD STREET IN BOTH GLAND AND INCO COUNTY.
IT'S SOME REALIGNMENT OF THE OFF RAMPS.
IT'S SOME WIDENING OF BROAD STREET INTO RECO COUNTY.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF IMPROVEMENTS ON WOODFORD'S PARKWAY.
AND I'VE GOT SOME OF THE, UH, EXHIBITS ON A LATER SLIDE.
UH, THE COST ESTIMATE FOR THESE, UH, CAME FROM SMART SCALE AT AT RIGHT AT $31 MILLION.
AGAIN, THIS WILL BE A LEVERAGE ASK WHEN WE SUBMIT.
IT'S NOT THE FINAL TIME WHEN WE ASK FOR THAT NUMBER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE WITH VDOT AND C E T A STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ASKING FOR THE RIGHT AMOUNT 'CAUSE WE WANNA BE SUCCESSFUL.
UM, AND AGAIN, THIS WAS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED AS PART OF THE GATE PRI OR GATE REPORT.
SO MONEY COULD COME FROM HENRICO LOOKING FOR MONEY.
MONEY COULD COME FROM US LOOKING FOR MONEY.
SO THAT'S THE HOPE HERE IS THAT WE HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT ANGLES TO, TO FULLY FUND ALL THREE.
I THINK YOU'VE CONFIRMED THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO, THE HONDA DEALERSHIP IS AWARE OF ALL THIS.
THEY, THEY HAVE A PART OF THEIR CONCEPT PLAN SUFFICIENT RIGHT AWAY TO BUILD THESE IMPROVEMENTS OR PROFIT TO DEDICATE SUCH RIGHT AWAY.
UM, AND COST ESTIMATE, THAT'S FULL COST ESTIMATE COME FROM CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT IS A SMART SCALE COST ESTIMATE, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE MOST CONSERVATIVE OF ALL COST ESTIMATE DOES CORRECT.
THIS IS THE FULL COST ESTIMATE OF THE PROJECT.
WHO DID THE GATE REPORT? IT WAS DONE BY HECO COUNTY AS TO SUPPORT THEIR, UH, INTERCHANGE AT GATE ROAD, WHICH TURNS OUT GONNA BE A DIVERGENT DIAMOND INTERCHANGE, UM, AT THE GATE ROAD OVERPASS JUST PAST, UH, 2 9 5.
AND NOT SPARED OUR SISTER COUNTY THERE, BUT THEY, THAT'S ALL TO BE THAT STANDARDS AND OH YES.
THERE'S NO REASON ABOUT, UM, SO, SO, SO THE YES, 64, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE DDI.
I THAT'S WHAT IS APPROVED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? YES.
SO WE WOULD'VE BACK TO BACK INTERCHANGES BE POTENTIAL DDIS ASSUMING THE FEDS APPROVE OUR FOOTPRINT, WHICH I, I DON'T KNOW IT EXIST ANYWHERE ELSE.
IT'S GONNA BE A SUBSTANTIAL PROJECT.
THE REPORT'S ACTUALLY VERY DETAILED.
IT'S, IT'S GOT A LOT OF INTERESTING IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, TWO EXHIBITS I'M HIGHLIGHTING HERE ARE THE ACTUAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE RAMPS THEMSELVES ON TWO EIGHT.
UM, WILL THAT BE BEFORE WILL THE DATING D D I BE BEFORE OURS OR THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE FUNDING YET, SO WE, OURS WILL BE POTENTIALLY, UM, WE DID IT A LITTLE BIT.
NOT NOBODY DID IT BACKWARDS PER SE, BUT WE DID IT OPPOSITE.
THEY SOUGHT FEDERAL APPROVAL THEN THE MONEY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING FOR NOW.
WE SOUGHT THE MONEY AND NOW WE'RE SEEKING FEDERAL APPROVAL JUST TO BUTTON EVERYTHING UP.
UM, BUT I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY SECOND MOVE OR BENEFITS OR, OR DO WE FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE THAT'S, I I'D LOVE TO SEE ONE IN PLACE WHILE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON OURS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
WE'LL GO TO, I MEAN GO TO ZIONS.
UM, SO THE TWO EXHIBITS I'VE GOT FOR THE 2 88 BROAD STREET IMPROVEMENTS, UM, UH, JUST SPECIFICALLY INVOLVE THE, THE, THE OFF RAMPS AND THE RECONFIGURATION.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S GONNA BE SIDEWALK INSTALLED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BROAD, BUT THE OFF RAMP,
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THIS IS THE SOUTHBOUND 2 88 TO BROAD STREET OFF RAMP.UM, ONE OF THE KEY PIECES HERE IS THAT THE OFF RAMP'S CURRENTLY SINGLE LANE AND IT'S JUST AN ACCELERATION LANE THAT, THAT RAMPS THIS DIRECTION.
IT WOULD BE REVISED TO A DOUBLE RIGHT TURN LANE THAT WOULD COME TO A REVISED SIGNAL AT THE INTER, AT THE, UH, INTERSECTION OF THE RAMPS AND, AND BROAD STREET.
THERE'S CURRENTLY A SIGNAL THERE, BUT, UH, HEADS AND ARMS WOULD BE ADDED TO SIGNALIZE THAT RIGHT TURN LANE.
THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS THE OTHER ROUTE 2 88 AND OBVIOUSLY SOME ERRORS.
THE SCALE DIDN'T DO RIGHT ON UH, SCALE UP HERE, BUT WE WOULD BE CREATING GAPS FOR THESE FOLKS ON, UH, NORTHBOUND 2 88 TO HIT BROAD STREET FREE.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM ON 2 88 BROAD IN THAT AREA IS 2 88 BACKS UP.
'CAUSE THEY CAN'T GET ONTO BROAD STREET FREE AND CLEAR 'CAUSE OF THE CONGESTION ON BROAD.
SO BY SIGNALIZING, THE OTHER ONE YOU'RE CREATING GAPS SUFFICIENT FOR THESE FOLKS TO JUST RUN OFF OF 2 88 RIGHT ONTO BROAD STREET WITHOUT A PROBLEM.
AND WE'RE DOUBLING THE CAPACITY HERE FROM ONE OFF LANE, ONE OFF RAMP LANE TO TWO OFF RAMP LANES.
OTHER THAN THAT, THIS PROJECT JUST CONSISTS OF, IT'S SOME ADDITIONAL LEFT TURN LANES ON WILKES RIDGE.
SO THAT'LL GO FROM A SINGLE LEFT TURN LANE TO A DUAL ONTO THE WESTBOUND BROAD AND THEN WIDENING ABROAD FROM
SO THIS IS THE MAJOR PART OF THE IMPROVEMENT.
SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE FOR THE BOARD.
GOING BACK TO MY EARLIER QUESTION.
THIS IS ALL ON GOLAND PROPERTY.
BUT IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHAT, I MEAN I, BUT I KNOW IT BENEFITS IN RIKO TRAFFIC FLOW INCREDIBLY.
HOW, HOW IS THAT DETERMINED? IS THAT THE DETERMINATION? SO THESE, UH, THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY CAME OUT OF, YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT THE THE STARS, WHICH, UH, I FORGET WHAT EXACTLY WHAT IT STANDS FOR, BUT IT'S AFFORDABLE PROJECTS THAT CAN BENEFIT, UM, TRANSPORTATION.
AND THIS ONE, THE STARS WAS SPECIFICALLY A ROUTE 2 88 AND ROUTE TWO 50 STAR STUDY.
AND IT WENT FROM, I BELIEVE ASHLAND ROAD TO THE FAR EAST, UH, BROAD STREET 64 INTERCHANGE.
AND IT WENT FROM THE MIDLOTHIAN TURNPIKE TO 64 ON 2 88.
SO THAT WAS MORE OF A REGIONAL STUDY THAT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
SO KIND OF MOVE INTO POTENTIAL SMART SCALE AROUND SIX APPLICATIONS.
STAFF'S INTENT RIGHT NOW WOULD BE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE, THE 3, 2, 8 PROJECTS.
AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF PART OF THE CONVERSATION WITH, HEY, WE'RE ASKING FOR 10 TO 15 MILLION, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE.
WE WOULD THEN WANT TO SEE THOSE INTO SMART SCALE IF THAT'S THE BEST PATH FORWARD WITH THEM.
THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS IT SITS SMART SCALE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A WAYS OFF.
UH, PRE-APP IS OPEN IN FEBRUARY.
THIS ISN'T THE LAST TIME WE'LL TALK ABOUT SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
THIS CONVERSATION MAY CHANGE, BUT RIGHT NOW I, I, I WOULD SEE THAT AS THE PLAN AND THE BEST PATH FORWARD TO GET THOSE THREE PROJECTS FUNDED.
UM, AND THEN OUR FOURTH ONE WE'RE ALLOWED FOR, SO WE'LL USE ALL FOUR SLOTS, WOULD BE ACTUALLY ROAD WIDENING THE FOUR LANES FROM PROJECT ROCKY'S IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NEW INTERCHANGE.
UM, REASON WHY THAT'S NOT A C B T A APPLICATION IS THE I A R AND THAT 10% DESIGN IS A FAR ENOUGH ALONG FOR US TO KNOW THE FOOTPRINT OF THOSE INTERCHANGES, WHICH WOULD IMPACT THE COST OF ANY ACCIDENT ROAD WIDENING.
SO THIS IS NOT WIDENING FROM TWO 50 TO THE INTERCHANGE? CORRECT.
IT WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN I 64 AND PROJECT ROCKET'S FRONTAGE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE PROFFERED TO DO.
AND THE REASONING WITH THAT IS THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE MAJOR CONGESTION.
SO WE WANT TO START THERE FOR CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS ON ASHLAND ROAD AND THEN WORK NORTH.
ONCE WE KIND OF, I SAY SOLVE THOSE CAPACITY CONGESTION ISSUES, THEN WE START ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
'CAUSE THERE REALLY DOESN'T EXIST A MAJOR CAPACITY PROBLEM ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 64 ON ASHLAND ROAD TO DATE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE LAST TIME WE'LL TALK ABOUT SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS MOVING FORWARD, BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT STAFF'S GONNA PURSUE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH VDOT AND, AND OTHER STAFF.
SO WHAT OTHER SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS ARE WE NOT PURSUING? SO I'LL FLIP TO THIS LINE REAL QUICK JUST TO SHOW THAT NUMBER ONE, THIS ISN'T CONSISTENT.
THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD IN THE PAST, BUT AS FAR AS OTHER SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS WE'RE NOT PURSUING, UM, WE HADN'T REALLY PEGGED ON OTHER PROJECTS BEING READY, SO TO SPEAK FOR SMART SCALE.
BECAUSE FRANKLY WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL.
UM, ACTUALLY WE'RE D D I, OILVILLE AND HOCKETT ROAD ARE THREE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HAD.
WE'VE ASKED FOR MONEY FOR SOME TIME.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE ON THOSE PROJECTS.
AND THEY'RE ALL ASSUMING OILVILLE GOES WELL, THEY'RE ALL FULLY FUNDED AND THEY WILL START MOVING FORWARD AND START GAINING A LOT OF POSITIVE TRACTION.
SAME THING WITH THE EXPANSION PROJECT.
SO WE'RE AT A PHASE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE ON THESE FOUR SMART SCALE PROJECTS, 2 88 PLUS NATIONAL ROAD.
THEN IT, THE CONVERSATION SHIFTS TO WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS, ARE THERE WE THAT WE NEED TO GATHER DATA ON TO MAKE THEM READY.
SO RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT KIND OF EMPTYING THE BACKLOG, SO TO SPEAK, WITH PROJECTS WE HAVE DATA ON, AND THEN FINDING PROJECTS TO GET DATA FOR GROUND SEVEN OF SMART SCALE.
SO THAT'S EXACTLY MY QUESTION.
SO BY, IF THESE ARE THE FOUR MM-HMM.
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ANYTHING? I DON'T KNOW.WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PROJECT THAT WOULD BE, WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S READY FOR SMART SCALE IN FEBRUARY.
UM, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REALLY IDENTIFY THOSE FUTURE PROJECTS.
ONE THAT COMES TO MIND WOULD BE A THREE TRUCK ROAD RECONNECTION, WHICH WE START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS IS THE PLAN IS WE START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH A REVENUE SHARE AND OR C B T A APPLICATION IN THE FALL OF 2025 TO START THAT FOR 2026 SMART SCALE.
AND, AND THAT, THAT'S ONE THAT COMES TO MIND IMMEDIATELY.
WE DO HAVE A LITTLE DUE DILIGENCE ON, UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT'S ABOUT FINDING PROJECTS THAT MAYBE AREN'T ON THIS LIST YET AND GETTING THE DATA ON 'EM.
UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S READY FOR SMART SCALE THAT WE'RE NOT PURSUING BECAUSE OF THESE FOUR.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA KNOW.
WHAT, WHAT AM I GIVING UP BY DOING THIS? NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PRODUCTS READY.
AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS LIST AS PRESENTED BACK IN, THAT'S WHAT, UM, EARLIER IN THE YEAR, JUST THROUGH THIS PRIORITIES LIKE WE DID.
UM, AND UM, AS WE PROMISED, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS LIKE A GROCERY STORE LIST.
WE'RE CHECKING IT OFF AND WE'RE SUBMITTING ON CYCLE AND WITH WHAT FITS.
SO BEFORE YOU ALL GOES, WELL, 2025 WILL BE OUT PROCESS
SO THE THREE, THE THREE TPO O ONES UP THERE.
UM, AND THAT JUST REMINDED ME, UM, WHERE IS IT? ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE THREE PROJECTS? WOULD THEY BE ONES THAT WE WOULD TRY TO SLIDE UNDER IF THE T P O AND THE C B T A ADOPT THE EVERY, EVERY YEAR SOMEBODY GETS A ONE ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC COUNT REQUIREMENT? SO THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR C B T A.
I DON'T RECALL ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH T P O HAVING THE, THE SAME WILD CARD, SO TO SPEAK AS PART, PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
UM, I KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THE CCB T A ADOPTED AS PART OF THE, AND THAT'S SO THAT ADOPT THAT IS ADOPTED.
THE CCB T A ON THE CCBT, THE MAINS ROAD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS IS OUR WILD CARD.
UM, THE WHAT, THE MAINS ROAD, THE FAIRGROUND MAIDENS ROAD INTERSECTION, THAT'S DOESN'T MEET ANY OTHER RULES.
AND AS FAR AS CBTA IS CONCERNED, UM, SO REALLY WE'RE, WE'RE FORTUNATE WE WERE ABLE TO GET THOSE GUIDELINES REVISED OR ELSE WE KIND OF, WE HAVE A PROJECT WITH NOWHERE
UM, SO LIKE THE CARDWELL ROLL, HOW, HOW'S THAT SOME? I I POINTED THAT ONE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT THAT A COUPLE TIMES RECENTLY SAID, FEEL LIKE THAT INTERSECTION, I TEND TO AGREE.
HOW, HOW, WHAT MECHANISM DOES THAT GET UNDER TPO O? SO IT WOULD BE UNDER T P O BECAUSE IT'S ON BROAD STREET.
IT, IT'S ELIGIBLE BECAUSE IT'S ON A CORRIDOR STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH IS TWO 50.
IT'S ALSO ELIGIBLE FOR C B T A FUNDS.
UM, THE WAY THIS KIND OF BROKE DOWN WITH C B T A GOING TO EVERY OTHER YEAR, UM, WE WOULD TPOS EVERY FALL.
SO WE'RE ALSO RAMPING UP FOR, UM, FOR THOSE APP WE HAD THOSE APPLICATIONS LAST ROUND, WE'RE PREPARING FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF T P O APPLICATIONS.
I SEE FAIR ROAD CCB T A UP IN THE, IN YOUR UPPER GROUP.
THEN THE SECOND APPEARANCE OF THAT SAME FAIRGROUNDS ROAD MAINTENANCE IS, IS T P O RIGHT BELOW THAT? CORRECT.
SO THAT WAS WHAT'S THIS WAS BUILT WHEN STAFF WAS UNSURE OF WHAT THIS WAS GONNA COST.
YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, HE'S STILL UP FOR CONVERSATION WITH THE LEVERAGING PIECE.
THE THOUGHT RIGHT NOW IS WE WOULD GO FOR FULL FUNDING THROUGH CCB T A IF THE COST ESTIMATE COMES BACK AND IT'S, OH MY GOD, IT'S $12 MILLION.
SO WHATS, WHAT'S THE MECHANISM TO GET INTO T P O UH, FUNDING FOR, FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS TO MAKE? 'CAUSE IT EXISTS ON A, UH, COLLECTOR IN ARTERIAL ROAD.
SO THEREFORE FAIRGROUNDS ROAD MAKES IT UP AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC COUNT REQUIREMENTS.
T P O FALLS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SEVERAL RULES THAN, THAN CCB T A.
IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME LEVEL OF SCRUTINY.
UM, I THINK THIS IS WORTHWHILE SPENDING LEAST TWO, THREE MINUTES OF OUR REMAINING TIME HERE.
UM, WE'VE TALKED AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT POCKETS OF MONEY AND ELIGIBILITY TO PUT YOUR HAND IN THAT POCKET AND COME UP WITH SOME CASH.
AS I SAY TO A BOARD MEMBER, THAT'S KIND OF YOUR BAIL WAY.
CAN YOU GIVE US GUIDANCE? AND WE'RE A SHERMAN TO TAKE US UP THE MOUNTAIN, BUT AS I COMMIT THIS, I COMMIT THIS AS, YOU KNOW, A BOARD MEMBER, REPRESENTATIVE, CITIZENS, AND I SAID THIS FLORIDA, KEEP BRINGING THIS BELL IS I START WITH THE, THE SHERIFFS LIST OF THE TOP 10 MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS.
WHERE ARE THE ACCIDENTS? WHERE ARE PEOPLE GETTING HURT? WHERE ARE THE PROPERTY DAMAGE? AND ARE WE ALLOCATING TIME, EFFORT, ENERGY, AND MONEY TOWARD REMOVING THE TOP ONE? SO EVERY REST CAN MOVE UP ON A LIST OF REMOVING THE TOP ONE.
ACTUALLY FOCUS ON PUBLIC SAFETY AS ONE'S ONE LENS.
RIGHT? DIFFERENT GLASSES PUT ON.
IF YOU LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY, HOW WE DO IT.
THE SECOND THING IS I LOOK AT THE COUNTY AND I SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT SOME NORTH SOUTH BRONX, 2 88 POCKET PARAGRAPHS, 2 88, BIG, BIG MONEY.
SO WE GOT A LOT ATTENTION PARAGRAPHS.
WE JUST DID A STUDY AND IT SPIT OUT ABOUT A HUNDRED DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE FROM LINE SIDE TO ADDITIONAL SIDE.
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AND WHERE DID THAT GO? I DON'T, AND THEN OF COURSE,BUT THE TARGETS IS, ARE FAILING.
SO WHAT COME OUT THIS IS WE'VE GOT SOME NORTH SOUTH CHALLENGES OUT.
ALL OUR COLLECTORS ARE CONNECTORS AND WE'VE GOT FAILING INTERSECTIONS AND WE'VE GOT PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES.
SO AS I COME BACK, KEEP TRAFFIC MOVING, KEEP IT SAFELY MOVING, PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THE CONNECTORS AND COLLECTORS AND THINGS THAT KEEP THE NETWORK MOVING, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE GROWTH PRESSURES WE HAD COVERED PHONE.
SO HOW THAT VIEW OF THE WORLD, MY VIEW OF THE WORLD INTERSECTS WITH YOUR NECESSARILY VIEW OF THE WORLD, WHICH IS ELIGIBILITY POCKET.
SO, SO THAT WE CAN, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE TO WORK THROUGH THAT MAZE TO GET TO WHAT WE REALLY NEED FOR THE DOWN.
YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? MM-HMM.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE DO ALL OF THIS, HOW MUCH OF OUR CHALLENGES HAVE BEEN SOLVED, RIGHT? HOW MUCH OF OUR PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED? HOW MUCH THE PUBLIC SAFETY IS BETTER OFF? THOSE KIND OF THINGS IF WE DO ALL THIS WELL IN BUILDING THIS LIST, WHEN I PRESENTED IT BACK IN JUNE TO YOU GUYS IN THE WORKSHOP THEN, UM, THE BACKGROUND CALCULATIONS, SO TO SPEAK, UH, THAT WENT INTO BUILDING THIS LIST.
PART OF THAT REVIEW WAS FIRE RESPONSE TIMES, IT WAS TRAFFIC SAFETY.
YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THESE INTERSECTIONS, THE INTERSECTION PROJECTS SHOWING UP ON SOME OF THE FREQUENT FLYERS ON THE, THE SHERIFF'S INCIDENT REPORT LIST.
SO IT IS BUILDING THIS LIST VERY MUCH TAKES INTO ACCOUNT AND AS WE'LL BUILD THE SOUNDS OF 26, 27, 28.
PART OF THAT OVERLAP IS GONNA BE, OKAY, WHERE ARE OUR HOTSPOTS, SO TO SPEAK, ON, ON
UM, SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY MEASURING THIS LIST AGAINST THAT CRITERIA AS WELL.
WELL THAT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BETTER THAT IT'S NOT TRANSPARENT.
IT'S A THIRD DIMENSION, BUT IT'S UNDERLYING AND IT FEEDS INTO THIS.
TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLY.
AND THAT'S ALL MY POINT WAS TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST FOCUSING BASED ON ELIGIBILITY AND AVAILABILITY, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACTUALLY MOVE THE BALL DOWN FIELD THAT WE'RE ELECTED FOR, WHICH IS PUBLIC SAFETY, KEEP THINGS MOVING.
PART OF THAT ELIGIBILITY QUESTION IS REASON COMES WITH THOSE NUMBERS THAT GET THAT DATA FEEDS INTO THEIR SCORES.
SO FOR US TO PASS SUCCESSFUL APPLICATIONS, WE HAVE TO DO THAT RESEARCH ON WHAT IS THE SAFETY, WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INVOLVED, WHAT IS THE, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC COUNT.
SO I FEEL LIKE THE MECHANISM ITSELF SORT OF FORCES US TO HAVE TO DO THAT TO SOME DEGREE.
WELL, YOU BROUGHT UP THE FAIRGROUND ROAD CORE DOOR WIDE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE AS PART OF THAT STUDY.
VDOT JUST KIND OF REOPENED WHAT'S CALLED THE H SIX PROGRAM.
IT'S HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
IT USED TO BE MORE SPOT IMPROVEMENTS.
NOW THEY'VE OPENED IT UP BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE WHERE IT'S CORRIDOR WIDE SEGMENT IMPROVEMENTS, YOUR RUMBLE STRIPS, YOUR STRIPING, YOUR, YOUR TREE CLEARING, GETTING CLEAR ZONES AND SO ON.
SO WE'VE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS CRYSTAL AND I HAVE WITH VDOT ABOUT REOPENING THAT STUDY SAYING WHAT FITS IN H I AS PART OF THAT TO GET CORRIDOR WIDE IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS SOME OF THESE SPOT IMPROVEMENTS WHERE WE CHASE DOWN SPECIFIC POSSIBLE.
OKAY, SO MAYBE TO HELP ME, TWO OR THREE PICTURES ON ONE PAGE TO HELP ME WOULD BE TO SAY, HERE'S THE PARAGRAPH STUDY.
HERE'S THE A HUNDRED THINGS THEY'VE RECOMMENDED.
IF WE DO THIS, IT CHECKS OFF THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS.
WE GOT HUGE PROBLEMS. IF WE DO THIS, IT CHECKS OFF THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS.
H ROAD FAILS BROAD STREET, IT FAILS DOWN AT SIX MM-HMM.
AND THEN THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE COME OUTTA THAT STUDY DON'T APPEAR HERE YET.
FIXING H AT SIX, IF WE DO ALL THIS, IT CHECKS OFF POCKET RIGHT AT BROAD STREET AT SIX SO THAT YOU CAN CIRCLE BACK AND SAY, OKAY, RATHER THAN HIDE THE DATA, HIDE THE UNDERLYING STUDIES, HIDE THE, WHAT'S THE OUTCOME AND THE OUTCOME IS FAIRGROUND ROAD WILL FIX 75% OF THE ISSUES.
UH, TWO 80, YOU KNOW, 80% OF ISSUES, POCKET ROAD OR FAILING INTERSECTIONS, PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, E M S AND FIRE WILL BE ABLE TO GO OVER THAT BRIDGE AND SET SPOT SO THAT IT CHECKS OFF FIRE SAFETY ISSUES.
THE SHERIFF'S TOP 10 MOST THE FAIRGROUND ROAD STUDY.
IF WE CAN SHOW HOW THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY IS GONNA, THAT CLOSING THAT LOOP WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW IF CITIZENS WOULD FIND TO HELP THEM, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T TRY TO REPRESENT THEIR INTEREST TO SHOW HOW THIS DOES THOSE THINGS.
AND SO THAT WHEN WE GET IN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND SAY, WHAT ABOUT FAIRGROUND ROAD ISSUES? AND OUR PLAN IS TO ADDRESS MOST OF THAT.
SO IT WOULD HELP US FOR REZONINGS AND HELP US FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
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APPROVALS.UH, AND THEN OF COURSE THE SPEED IS NOT EVEN THERE YET.
THERE MAY BE VALUE AS WELL AS JUST HAVING A BRIEF REFRESHER BULLET EACH TIME SINCE THIS DOES BECOME PUBLIC RECORD OF JUST HOW THESE PROJECT PRIORITIES ARE IDENTIFIED.
JUST TALKING THROUGH THE CRITERIA THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING A NOTE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE TABLE, YOU KNOW, THE CRITERIA THAT'S FACTORED IN, UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ACCURATELY IDENTIFYING THE PERCENTAGE OF THE ISSUE THAT IT WILL ADDRESS SOMETIMES BEFORE THE PROJECT'S, UM, GONE THROUGH ITS SCOPING PERIOD, OR ITS PRELIMINARY DESIGN CAN BE CHALLENGING.
'CAUSE YOU CAN THEORIZE AND IT'S ONLY BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC COUNT AT ONE MOMENT IN TIME.
SO YEAH, I DON'T WANNA GET DOWN THAT LEVEL, YOU KNOW, UH, WAITING TIME AT A RED LIGHT OR TURN, YOU KNOW, NO, IT'S JUST THIS ADDRESSES THAT ISSUE OR NOT AND IT'S KIND YOU.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ON FUTURE.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL PRESENTATIONS IF WE DO ALL THAT, IT MOVES THE NEEDLE, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT SPENDING MONEY TO SPEND MONEY.
WE'RE SPENDING MONEY AND ACTUALLY MAKING ENTS AND IT'S THAT MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
THAT I THINK IS THE PIECE VERBATIM.
I THINK SOME OF THE DISCUSSION REAL QUICKLY, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT MORE THREE, I I THINK SOME I YIELD BACK THE REST OF MY TIME.
UM, I THINK, I THINK YOU TOUCH ON, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
I THINK AT THE BOARD LEVEL AGAIN, 'CAUSE I CAN GET IN THE WEEDS AND, AND, BUT WE SOMETIMES HAVE TO SIT ON THESE BOARDS AND, AND GET IN THE WEEDS SOMETIMES JUST, UM, JUST AS I'M FINDING OUT BECOME, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE ENGAGED AND, AND MORE VALUABLE I THINK TO THE POLICY BOARD IF, IF I KNOW THE WEEDS.
BUT I THINK THE ISSUES THAT YOU, THIS BOARD SHOULD HAVE A PHILOSOPHY, PUBLIC SAFETY, TRANSPORTATION MOVING, BUT I SOMETIMES FIND MYSELF SPEAKING UP BECAUSE I'VE SEEN, UH, BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID, DOES IT CHECK THE ISSUE? WE OUGHT TO, AS A BOARD AGREE ON WHAT THOSE ISSUES ARE.
BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU LOOK AT, YOU LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT MY TIME ON THE TPO, YOU KNOW, LIKE 32 OUT 33 OF THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE MULTIMODAL THINGS GOT FUNDED.
AND, AND YOU SEE THE, THE REGION IS DOING THOSE THINGS THAT, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SAYING THOSE ARE THE THINGS THEY WANT TO FUND.
NOW, OF COURSE, WE'VE RUN INTO A PROBLEM.
A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE ALTERNATIVE MULTIMODAL THINGS ARE COMMUTERS AND NOT FOR RECREATIONAL.
SO, SO WE HAVE THAT REALITY OUT HERE, BUT I I I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE SO THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS, HEY, SOMETIMES WE'RE MAYBE SPENDING OR PURSUING THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT SAY YOU WANT SIDEWALKS OUT THERE OR WHY DO YOU WANT THAT WHEN WE HAVE OTHER INTERSECTIONS THAT NEED MORE SAFETY ISSUES PROJECTED.
BUT I, I AGREE, BUT I THINK WE AS A BOARD NEED TO REALIZE THE FUNDING MECHANISMS, THE THINGS THAT ARE DRIVING THEIR OUT OF OUR CONTROL AND WHERE THE INCENTIVES ARE THAT IT WOULD GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO KNOW LIKE, HEY, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOSING OUR MIND.
WE'RE NOT CHASING THIS JUST TO PUT A SIDEWALK HERE.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE BIG STEAM OF THINGS.
THIS IS WHAT'S GETTING FUNDED AND WE, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO APPLY FOR THAT AS WELL.
EVEN THOUGH IF YOU LOOK AT A STEP BACK, YOU SAY YOU'RE JUST SPENDING MONEY OVER THERE JUST TO BE SPENDING MONEY BECAUSE MANY PLENTY OF PEOPLE SAY, OH, HERE IS A GREATER NEED.
YOU WANNA DEVELOP CONSENSUS OR OTHER PRIORITIES.
AND WHEN THEY SEE A SIDEWALK GO IN AND SAY, THAT'S NOT OUR TOP PRIORITY, BUT THE FUNDING WAS AVAILABLE SO WE CAN TAKE A PASS ON THE SIDEWALK OR DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO, TO ADDRESS THE ACCIDENTS AND THE INCIDENTS.
WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING ARE LIFESTYLE ORIENTED.
THEY'RE NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU SAID YOU'RE COMMITTED TO SAFETY FIRST, BUT YOU, YOU SPENT MONEY.
WELL, WE DID BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE PILE OF MONEY THAT'S GOING THROUGH IT.
AND THEY FUND THOSE, THEY FUND THE ALTERNATIVES.
SPEAKING OF WHICH, REAL QUICKLY, THE, AND I'LL JUST BRING THE SURVEY'S.
ATTENTION, ATTENTION ON TPO O ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM OF DAY AFTER TOMORROW IS THAT IF, IF IT PASSES OUR, OUR SIDEWALK PROJECT BY THE STREET, WE'LL GET ENDORSED.
WE'LL BE, WE WILL BE SUPPORTED BY THE TPO O THERE'S A, THERE'S A BUNCH OF 'EM ACROSS, ACROSS THE REGION AND GLAND'S COURTHOUSE, VILLAGE SIDEWALK IS ON THE AGENDA TO BE, UM, SUPPORTED BY THE TPO O YEAH.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FROM THE M P O, WHICH IS OUR, OUR T P O.
UM, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? I JUST SAID ONE THING BECAUSE I, ON THINGS LIKE THIS, I THINK IT'S THE CONSOLIDATION OF INFORMATION THAT MAKES, MAKES IT DIGESTIBLE, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, I WOULD ALMOST, I WANNA DEFER TO OUR STAFF.
I WOULD ALMOST RATHER SEE WITH THOSE PROJECTS, THESE ARE THE THREE BULLETS OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET THE FUNDING, HOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE BEST USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
HOW ARE WE GONNA MAKE THE BEST USE OF, UH, COMMONWEALTH DOLLARS? BECAUSE
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THEN WE'RE LEANING ON THE EXPERTISE.WE HAVE BULLET POINTS THAT WE CAN THEN GO JU YOU KNOW, GO LOOK BACK TO.
AND, BUT, BUT WE'RE NOT PUTTING SO MUCH DETAIL OUT THERE THAT CAN BE PICKED APART AND, YOU KNOW, UH, EVALUATED IN 25 DIFFERENT WAYS, A THOUSAND WAYS.
SO I WOULD ALMOST RATHER, YOU KNOW, LET'S RELY ON THE EXPERTISE AND LET'S JUST GET TO THE, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY TO THE POINT, WHAT IS GETTING FAIRGROUNDS ROAD MAIDEN'S INTERSECTION APPROVED OVER ASHLEY ROAD WIPING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, SADLY, THESE SCORES ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE OUT OF BUTLAND COUNTY'S CONTROL.
AND, AND I, I WANT THE, I I DO WANT OUR STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF OUR RESOURCES.
WE GONNA LOOK TO STAFF TO GUIDE US THROUGH THE SHERPA.
UH, PERHAPS ONE WAY TO GO THAT I'M GETTING DOWN TO GRANULARITY AND CAUSING A LOT OF WORK FOR FOLKS, EVERY BOARD ACTION WE TAKE IN THE OTHER ROOM, UM, WE HAVE FIVE STRATEGIC GOALS AND WE CHECK OFF WHICH ONES IT MEET.
IF WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE TRANSPORTATION PRIORITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE RESCUE, SHERIFF, KEEPING TRAFFIC MOVING, FLOWING, INCONVENIENCE, WHATEVER, AND JUST CHECK WHICH ONES EACH OF THESE, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD, AND I, I'LL TALK ABOUT IT REAL QUICKLY ON THIS SLIDE AS WELL.
THAT THE SECOND MAIN BULLET SUBLET UNDER THAT THE RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT FOR REVENUE SHARING CAP APPLICATIONS.
IS THERE A WAY TO WORK THOSE EVERY TIME WE HAVE TO COME TO THE BOARD AND SAY, STAFF SEEKING THIS MONEY, I NEED THE BOARD TO ENDORSE THIS.
IT ALSO, IT MEETS THE COUNTY STRATEGIC GOALS, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO A TRANSPORTATION STRATEGIC GOAL PIECE OF THAT, THAT, HEY, WE'RE SPECIFICALLY IN OCTOBER, YOU'LL SEE THE REVENUE SHARING HALF APPLICATION RESOLUTIONS AND SUPPORT.
WELL, WHAT DOES OLDVILLE ROAD ROUND ABOUT A 64 DO? OR THERE'S THREE STRATEGIC GOALS OR FOUR, DOES IT MEET NONE OF THEM? ONE OF THEM, THREE OF 'EM, FOUR OF 'EM.
YOU KNOW, SEE THAT, I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT, AUSTIN, BECAUSE IT STARTS WITH OUR STRATEGIC GOALS FOR THE KIDS AND THEN FLOWS THROUGH YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SEEK THIS FUNDING BECAUSE WE'RE ELIGIBLE AND THE MONEY'S THERE AND IF WE GET IT, IT WILL ADDRESS THESE TRANSPORTATION PRIORITIES LIKE THE WAY CLOSE THAT.
AND THAT COULD BE ON EVERYTHING THAT 'CAUSE MOST FUNDING A, UH, AVENUES, UH, ESPECIALLY STATE AND FEDERAL DOLLARS REQUIRE FOR SUPERVISOR'S APPROVAL.
IT'S, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO SAY THOSE THINGS KIND OF PUBLICLY.
UM, SEE YEAH, THE NEXT STEPS, THIS WILL BE THE LAST SLIDE FOR YOU.
FAIRMONT ROAD EXTENSION PROJECTS.
ONE THING WE HAVE TO DO, AND I'M, I'M WORKING WITH ONE ON CALLING
UM, WE HAVE TO DO A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
PLATT, WE DID IT WITH THE ROUNDABOUT TO TRANSFER THE PLAN FROM THE SCHOOLS TO THE COUNTY BEFORE IT GO TO V O.
'CAUSE THERE'S SOME OBSCURE STATE CODE.
SCHOOLS CAN'T GO STRAIGHT TO V O, SO IT'S GOTTA GO.
WE HAVE TO BE THE INTERMEDIARY.
SO THAT'LL BE BEFORE THE BOARD AT SOME POINT, OR AT LEAST, UH, MR. CARPENTER FOR APPROVAL, UM, TO DO THAT LAND SWAP.
UH, OCTOBER B O S ITEMS. I DID TALK ABOUT THE RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT THERE.
UH, AND AGAIN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS IN, IN TWO BY TWOS, BUT WE'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO ONE OF OUR ON CALLS AND WAITING TO HEAR BACK ABOUT JUST GETTING ASSISTANCE THROUGH THE SMART SCALE PROCESS, SPECIFICALLY THE ACTION ROAD WINDING PROJECT, IF THAT'S WHAT WE DO WANT TO PURSUE.
WE HAVE TO GET CONCEPTS, WE HAVE TO GET COST ESTIMATES AND, AND, AND WORK UP ALL THE DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT PROJECT, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
SO WE KNOW THAT THERE, THERE'S A NEED IN THAT AREA, BUT WE HAVE TO FINE TUNE SOME OF THOSE CONCEPTS.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE STEADILY ADVANCING THE EASTERN TRAIL PHASE ONE PLAN.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, UH, A CONCEPT PLAN FOR PHASE ONE TO KIND OF ALL COME BACK TO AN AGREEMENT THAT WHERE PHASE ONE SHOULD BE, WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE AND SO ON.
SO, MR. PETER, I KNOW PROJECT YOU WANT SEE DONE, IT'S, IT'S STILL MOVING FORWARD.
IT'S, IT'S TRUING THROUGH THE MUD, BUT IT IS FOR PROGRESS MEETING WITH, UM, THE VESTED STAKEHOLDERS.
UM, ON TOMORROW, IS IT TOMORROW? I BELIEVE IT IS TOMORROW.
AND THIS WILL BE OUR SECOND ONE JUST REALLY IRONING OUT THE VISION FOR THE CONCEPT OF ALIGNMENT.
AND THEN WITH THAT, UM, FUTURE TOPICS.
AND WE ALWAYS HAVE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH VDOT TO DISCUSS PROJECTS AND ONGOING EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.
EVERY TIME WE GET FUNDING APPLICATION UPDATES, WE'LL BE SHARING THAT WITH THE BOARD ONGOING TRANSPORTATION PRIORITY UPDATES.
MR. PETERSON, YOU ALLUDED TO IT, THAT WE'RE ALWAYS ONE STUDY AWAY FROM NEW PRIORITIES JUMPING TO THE TOP OF THE LIST.
UM, THAT, THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
AND ONE OF THE THING I'LL POINT OUT THAT I'LL GO INTO DETAIL LATER ON, EITHER AT A TWO BY TWO OR A WORKSHOP IS SMART SCALE IS POTENTIALLY CHANGING SOME OF THEIR GUIDELINES ON SCORING.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORWARD LOOKING THAN CURRENT LOOKING, WHICH IS GOOD.
THEY RESCORED UNDER THE POTENTIALLY REVISED GUIDELINES, THE ACTION ROAD PROJECT, AND WOULD'VE SCORED EVEN THOUGH WITH THE COST LIKE SECOND IN THE DISTRICT DOES THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE BEEN FORWARD LOOKING.
UM, SO I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD CHANGES HAPPENING IN SMART SCALE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL ON THAT, BUT WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION.
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ABOUT IT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.THAT WITH THAT ALSO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DIDN'T SEE A, THERE, WE TALKED A COUPLE YEARS AGO ABOUT THE BRIDGES THAT OUR FIRE, UH, EQUIPMENT CAN'T TRAVERSE.
SO I DIDN'T SEE ANY ROAD, ROAD.
SO, SO THE PATH FORWARD FOR THOSE RIGHT NOW IS S G R, WHICH IS STATE OF GOOD REPLACEMENT.
UM, STATE OF GOOD REPAIR, EXCUSE ME.
UM, LIGHT HOLE ROAD IS THE ONLY ONE CURRENTLY ELIGIBLE FOR THAT PIPELINE BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY ONE OF THOSE FIVE OR SO BRIDGES THAT ARE DEEMED STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
UM, THEY'RE, I'M STILL WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM ON, ON THE ACTUAL RESULTS OF THE S G R FUNDING CYCLE.
IF IT'S UNSUCCESSFUL, THEY'RE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CAN WE NOT FIND IT IN THEIR BUDGET TO REPLACE IT BECAUSE IT IS STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
THEY CERTAINLY NEVER WANT TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE IN THEIR INVENTORY.
SO I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TRACTION ON THAT PROJECT.
AND THEN WE, WE'LL, KIND OF SLOWLY AS WE'LL DO WITH DURING PREDICTION PROJECTS, YOU WOULD'VE LOST THE LIST AND, AND WE'LL KIND OF GO ONE BY ONE AND HOPEFULLY GET 'EM ALL DONE IN A DECENT TERM I WOULD SAY.
BUT, BUT THEY'RE CERTAINLY STILL ON THE RADAR.
ANYTHING ELSE BOARD? ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, I WILL ADJOURN US TO OUR 4:00 PM THIS IS MEETING.