[A. CALL TO ORDER & DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
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I CALLED, UH, CALLED THE ORDER OF THE MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR MONDAY, OCTOBER 30TH.
UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, UH, AND I HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THIS WITH MY FELLOW MEMBER, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS AS CHAIR DANDRIDGE DID LAST TIME.
I WOULD RECOGNIZE FIRST, I GUESS ROLL CALL, UM, PATIENCE.
UH, CHAIR ANDREWS NOTED IT WAS PROBABLY A GOOD PRACTICE TO GO AHEAD AND IMPROVE OUR MINUTES OR REVIEW OUR MINUTES BEFORE, UM, GET INTO THE OTHER BUSINESS OF THE MEETING.
[C. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – May 8, 2023]
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE AGENDA TO SHOW TO REFLECT THAT.UM, I'VE REVIEWED MINUTES, I HAVE NO CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT MINUTES WERE PREPARED ON MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES ESTIMATED.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR SAY A, A AYE MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, OUR SECOND ITEM OF BUSINESS
[B. SCHEDULED APPLICATION:]
IS, UM, REVIEW OF C OA 2 23 0 0 1 1.[District 4 COA-2023-00011 – Application by SP Real Estate Holdings, LLC requesting a Certificate of Approval (COA) to consider design and parking exceptions for an automobile dealership on Tax Map No. 59-3-2-F-P7. The property is located at 12501 Broad Street Road on the south line of Broad Street Road at the Goochland County Border with Henrico County, and within the Centerville Village Overlay District. The property is zoned B-1 (Business, General), with proffered conditions. The COA is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-435.]
ASSUME MR. CASH WILL BE MAKING A PRESENTATION.AND WANNA NOTE FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE RECEIVED, UH, SOME COMMENTS FROM, UM, NEIGHBORING COUNTY AND, UH, NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS TODAY, MRS. PARKER, THAT WAS RECEIVED THIS AFTERNOON OR TODAY I RECEIVED TWO ITEMS. IS THAT ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT YOU RECEIVED? YES, SIR.
AND FOR THE RECORD, HAS THAT BEEN FORWARDED TO THE APPLICANT? YES.
UM, THIS, UH, I'LL START OUT A LITTLE BIT TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THE COA PROCESS AND DESIGN REVIEW COMM, UH, PROCESS, RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE, UM, SOME PEOPLE HERE FOR THEIR FIRST TIME.
UM, JUST TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH IT, UM, FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, IT'S LIKE A STAFF ALSO DOES WITH CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL.
UM, THERE ARE ITEMS THAT WE'RE EXPECTED TO CONSIDER WITH ANY APPLICATION.
UM, FIRST IS THE STRUCTURE OR BUILDING CLASS WITH THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR, THE BUILDING CENTER, THEY OVERLAY OF THIS CASE CENTER BILL.
UM, THAT EXTERIOR WALLS HAVE THE SAME OR ARCHITECTURALLY HARMONIOUS MATERIALS, COLOR, TEXTURE, AND TREATMENT.
UM, ALSO THE COMBINATION OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, UH, OF THE IMPROVEMENT ARE GENERALLY IN LINE WITH THE MASS DIMENSION, COLOR LIGHTING, LANDSCAPE ON AND HEIGHT, ALL CONFORMED TO THE ACCEPTED ARCHITECTURAL PRINCIPLES, PERMANENT BUILDINGS, AND REFLECT THE CHARACTER OF THE CORRIDOR OR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
IN ADDITION, UM, NO BUILDING CAN BE DESIGNED TO SERVE PRIMARILY AS AN ADVERTISEMENT OR A COMMERCIAL DISPLAY, AND DOES NOT EXHIBIT EXTERIOR CHARACTERISTICS LIKE THE DETERIORATE RAPIDLY BE A TEMPORARY OR SHORT TERM ARCHITECTURAL AESTHETIC.
ACCEPTABILITY OR OTHERWISE CONSTITUTE A REASONABLE FORESEEABLE DETRIMENT TO THE ATTRACTIVENESS AND STABILITY OF THE DEBT INSURANCE COURT OR DISTRICT.
UH, IN ADDITION, DURING THE UH, DRC UM, PROCESS, YOU CONSIDER APPLICATIONS THAT ARE APPEALED BY AN APPLICANT OR REFERRED BY STAFF.
IN THIS CASE IT WAS REFERRED BY STAFF.
YOU MAY APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION OR APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS REQUIRED FOR COMPLIANCE, INCLUDING CONDITIONS THAT DELEGATE APPROVAL AUTHORITY TO STAFF.
YOU MAY ALSO RECOMMEND SUGGESTIONS, SUGGESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT TO ASSIST IN ANY RESUBMITTAL IF NECESSARY.
AND WE WILL REQUIRE APPLICANT SUBMIT PLANS TO REFLECT ANY CHANGES OR CONDITIONS IMPOSED BY YOU TONIGHT.
THERE'S A STATEMENT GENERALLY ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR YOU IN ORDER TO ALLOW, ALLOW FOR REASONABLE EXPANSION OF EXISTING STRUCTURES AND ALLOW THE FLEXIBILITY IN THE APPLICATION OF DESIGN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS APPLICABLE THE OVERLAY, THE DRC MAY GRANT REASONABLE DEVIATIONS FROM THE DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE SITE'S TOPOGRAPHY CONFIGURATION OR OTHER UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES PREVENT FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
IN SUCH CASES, THE COMMITTEE MAY IMPOSE CONDITIONS OF ACCOMPLISH THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE.
AND REALLY THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
SO TONIGHT BEFORE YOU IS SP REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS, LLC, UM, OPERATING AS HONDA IS THE BUSINESS PROPOSED.
IT'S LOCATED IN CENTERVILLE VILLAGE AND BROAD STREET.
IT IS DIRECTLY ON THE BORDER OF HENRICO IN BEACHLAND COUNTY.
THE SCOPE OF THE APPLICATION WE WILL TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS THAT THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THEIR ORIGINAL CO O APPLICATION, UM, THAT THEY SUBMIT TO THE COUNTY, UM, THAT WERE ALLOWED TO BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
THAT INCLUDES SITE LIGHTING, SIGNAGE, AND BASE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS ARE REQUIRED TO THE FOLLOWING.
THE FIRST WOULD BE ARCHITECTURE, WHICH IS REALLY THE BUILDING CHARACTER IN THE CODE BUILDING MATERIALS, ROOF TREATMENT, PARKING, FENCING, AND BAY DOORS.
AND WE'LL START, WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THE REQUESTS SEPARATELY.
AGAIN, THE LOCATION FOR THIS IS CENTERVILLE.
THIS IS THE BORDER OF HENRICO COUNTY AND
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GLAND COUNTY RIGHT HERE.THIS IS THE, UM, COUNTY'S BOOSTER STATION.
THAT'S THAT LITTLE SQUARE IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY.
DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET IS M ONE PROPERTY AND THAT ACTUALLY YOU HAVE, UM, TOMMY'S CAR WASH HERE AND
AND YOU HAVE WAWA LOCATED HERE.
AND THIS PROPERTY AROUND HERE, THIS IS MOSTLY, UH, WETLANDS OR ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES.
THIS IS THE GENERALLY WEST CREEK AREA.
SO ON THE LOWER LEFT, THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS BEEN NICE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE US A GOOD OVERVIEW OF WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING IS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT OVER HERE ON THE HENRICO SIDE.
THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS, UM, PRETTY RESTRICTED.
THERE ARE, UM, CERTAIN FEATURES ON THE PROPERTY THAT DO AFFECT ITS BUILDABILITY, UH, AND THE YELLOW BOX IS THE COUNTY BOOSTER STATION RIGHT HERE.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A FLOODPLAIN AND SOME TOPOGRAPHY THAT RUNS ALONG THIS WAY.
AND THERE'S ALSO A MAJOR UTILITY EASEMENT, UM, THAT ACTUALLY SERVES BOTH GLAND AND HENRICO COUNTY.
THIS IS, UH, GENERALLY THE AREA THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR TTS BEING IN TRANSFER OF, UM, UTILITIES BETWEEN THE TWO LOCALITIES.
UM, I HAVE PROVIDED ON HERE JUST, JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE.
UH, IT'S SORT OF NOW SOUTHEAST AND WEST BECAUSE I MAY REFER TO THE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, UM, BY THE LAYOUT PLAN BY ITS LENGTH INSTEAD OF SHOWING NORTH SOUTH, UM, IT'S BEEN, UH, ROTATED.
SO ACTUALLY NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, WHICH MAKES IT A LOT EASIER.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE LAYOUT THAT'S PROPOSED.
THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF REQUIRED BUFFER.
BOOSTER STATION IS THIS AREA RIGHT HERE AS A REFERENCE TO FLOODPLAINS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE UTILITY EASEMENT THAT RUNS DOWN THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING TO INCLUDE BACK HERE IN THE REAR THERE'S A PARKING DECK.
UM, THE APPLICANT CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THIS IS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING SERVICE AREA, UH, SERVICE AREA, THE DOORS.
I'VE ALSO INCLUDED THE PACKET, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THIS IS STANDARD BUFFER HERE ALONG THE FRONT.
AND OTHER ELEMENTS I'LL TALK ABOUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
SO THE FIRST REQUEST IS A MODIFICATION, THE SECTION 15 4 4 7 28 1, WHICH IS REALLY CHARACTER AND INCLUDES SEVERAL D PHENOMENON.
UM, GENERALLY IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT CENTERVILLE AREA LOOKS LIKE, WHICH IS REALLY PICTURE TREES, LIMITED HEIGHT PORCHES, PEOPLE, THOSE COLUMNS AND SMALLER SKILLED WINDOWS.
UM, ANYTIME WHAT THEY TALK ABOUT AND WHAT SHOULD BE PROVIDED IN THE PLANT, A BUILDING SHOULD INCORPORATE THOSE FEATURES.
IT SHOULD ALSO HAVE BUILDING MATERIALS AND PATTERNS THAT COMPLIMENT THE AREA'S CHARACTER IN TERMS OF COLOR, SCALE, AND TEXTURE.
AND A BUILDING SHALL HAVE A UNIFIED APPEARANCE I SIMILAR MATERIALS AND OR COLORS AROUND, UM, AROUND FEDERAL BUILDING ITSELF.
SO FOR THE MODIFICATION, THE SUBSECTION B OF THAT, WHICH REALLY TALKS ABOUT UM, TYPE OF DESIGNS, S UH, SMALL WINDOWS, UM, THERE ARE ORDINANCE, UM, THERE REQUIREMENTS AS REFERENCED HERE.
AND THERE IS A CHARACTER THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ESTABLISHED IN PART OF THE VILLAGE, ESPECIALLY IN THE, UM, WESTERN VILLAGE AREAS.
SO TOP HERE IS UNITED BANK, WHICH IS, UM, GENERALLY ABOUT MANNEQUIN ROAD.
THIS IS, UH, IS THAT BROAD MILL, UM, OFFICE PARK, WHICH IS, UM, RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED.
AND THIS IS OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE LOCATED RIGHT IN FRONT OF WHERE MANNEQUIN TOWN WILL BE LOCATED.
SO IT'S THE CENTER OF THE VILLAGE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SORT TYPICAL TRADITIONAL VILLAGE STYLE, AT LEAST FOR UM, CENTERVILLE AND THE COURTHOUSE AND MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE RESIDENTIAL AND CHARACTER AND DESIGN.
SO THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE ELEVATIONS HERE.
UM, AS NOTED, THERE IS A LARGE GLASS AREA IN THE FRONT HERE.
UM, THERE'S NO GENERALLY NO OR LITTLE WINDOWS HERE TO THE SIDE.
IT'S A FLAT ROOF WITHOUT ELEMENTS.
UM, SO IT'S MISSING COMMON FORM OR CHARACTERISTICS WITH THE CENTER BUILT TRADITIONAL VILLAGE.
AND SO THE DESIGN WOULD NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UM, IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE CHAIR, I'LL CONTINUE ON WITH ROBERT REQUEST AND WE'LL BE FORWARD.
SO THE NEXT MODIFICATION, WHICH IS ALL PART OF THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR CHARACTER, IS TO REALLY LOOK AT BUILDING MATERIALS IN CHARACTER.
AS REFERENCED BEFORE, YOU SHOULD HAVE, UM, COLORS TURN AND THE BUILDING SHOULD BE AND BUILDING MATERIALS, PATTERNS AND COLOR, UM, SHOULD BE GENERALLY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE OVERLAY.
UH, THE OVERLAY PRIMARILY HAS BRICK STONER CEMENTENTIOUS SIDE
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IN THE LAST WITH THE MATERIAL PERFORMANCE OF THE CODE.COLORS ARE MOST COMMONLY EARTH TONES OF BRICK, RED, TAN, BROWN, OR GRAYS.
UM, SMALLER MATERIAL PATTERNS ARE OFTEN EITHER BRICK FORMS OR SIMULATED BRICK OR SIDING WITH SIMILAR TEXTURES AND FORMS. UM, MATERIAL CHANGES OR ARCHITECTURAL RELIEF, UM, ARE OFTEN PROVIDES A BREAKUP BUILDING MASS, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH 15 4 4 7 B TWO.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES HERE.
SOME OF THE, WE JUST SHOWED HERE'S THE UNITED BUILDING HAS SOME MATERIALS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE IN COLORS, BUT ALSO HAS SOME BREAKUP IN THE MASS.
UM, HERE'S THE RESIDENCE INN, WHICH HAS THE COLORS AS WE ANTICIPATED.
UM, IT DOES HAVE A FLAT ROOF, AS DOES CHICK-FIL-A THEY HAVE BEEN ASSEMBLE, UM, FLAT ROOFS APPROVED IN THE OVERLAY, BUT THE BUILDING MASS HAS BEEN BROKEN UP IN IT'S FORM OR IT'S MASS.
SO AGAIN, THE APPLICANT, UH, FOOT SIDES ARE GLASS EXTENDED WITH BLUE OR WHITE, UM, WITH GRAY TO THE REAR ON THE PARKING DECK AREA, WHICH IS SOME METAL GRID FORMS ARE USED TO TRY TO SHIELD SOME OF THE PARKING AREA.
THERE IS LARGE BLACK BLOCK PATTERN DESIGNED IN THE SQUARES HERE FOR THE, UM, THE SIDES.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, COLOR PATTERNS ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE TRADITIONAL CENTERVILLE VILLAGE COLORS, MATERIALS, AND TEXTURE.
UM, AND THE FORM ITSELF IS INCONSISTENT WITH OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE OVERLAY.
AND DESIGNING COLORS WOULD NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AS WELL.
REQUEST TWO IS MODIFICATIONS TO THE BUILDING MATERIALS PERMITTED, UM, IN THE OVERLAY.
UM, WHAT I'VE TAKEN HERE IS THE CHART, UM, GENERALLY FROM THE ORDINANCE, WHICH SHOWS THE MATERIALS THAT ARE ALLOWED, UM, BRICKSTONE,
UM, THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE CONCRETE PANELS, UM, PRINCIPALLY GLASS ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, GLASS IS ONLY PERMITTED AS AN ACCESS, I MEAN ACCENT.
UM, METAL PANELS, PERFORATED METAL PANELS AS I MENTIONED BACK ON THE BACK PART OF THE PARKING DECK AND SPRAYED CONCRETE NEAR AND, AND A PORTION.
UM, THE TRIM IS GENERALLY METAL, METAL PANELS.
UH, THERE'S ALSO SOME METAL PANELS THAT USE SOME SMALL AREAS OF THE BUILDING FACADE ITSELF, AND THERE'S FLAT WITH, WITH LINER AND CONCRETE OF COURSE ON THE PARKING DECK.
UM, SO GENERALLY MISS THE MATERIALS THAT ARE PROVIDED THE APPLICANT ARE INCONSISTENT.
THAT'S CASH ON THE METAL PANELS YOU TALKED ABOUT FOR THE TREND.
UM, ARE THOSE, THOSE BLUE SECTIONS? IS THAT A METAL? RIGHT, THAT'S, UH, BLUE.
YOU ALSO SAID THAT'S A, BACK BY THE PARKING GARAGE, THERE WAS A SECTION THAT LOOKED LIKE A MOSAIC, JENNY, THAT IT WASN'T IN COLOR, BUT THAT IS ALSO METAL, RIGHT? SO THESE ARE PERFORATED METAL PANELS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S PROVIDED ON THE PARKING DECK HERE.
IT'S, UH, GENERALLY LIKE A GRAYISH BROWN COLOR OF THE, AND THE INTENT OF THAT IS TO HELP SCREEN, UH, THE PARKING DECK FROM THE
WHAT IS THE MATERIAL ON THE OVERHANG? UM, IN FRONT OF THE, THE BLUE METAL ON THE ROOF.
SO THIS HERE, I BELIEVE THAT'S METAL PANEL METAL AS WELL.
YEAH, IT'S A WHITE METAL PANEL AND THE BLUE RIGHT BEHIND THAT, THE BLUE METAL PARTS PART OF THE BODY OF THE SHOWROOM GOING FURTHER TO THE LEFT ON THAT IS ALSO WHITE METAL PANEL.
AND THEN IT TRANSITIONS FROM THERE BACK TO METAL PANEL TO PRECAST THAT'S PAINTED BY MATCH.
SO THE LARGER ONES BACK AS WE START GOING BACK ARE THE PRECAST CONCRETE RIGHT BEHIND THE STAIR TOWER FROM THAT POINT BACK, THE PRE OKAY PANELS, I THINK I'M HEARING THAT IT'S METAL ONTO THE STAIR TOWER WITH THE WHITE FINISH JUST HAD METAL BACK.
AND THEN, AND THEN IT TURNS INTO PRECAST CONCRETE.
AND WAS THE COLOR OF THE PRECAST CONCRETE? IT'S A WHITE.
UM, GET SAY, AS WE JUST DISCUSSED, I WAS WANTED TO POINT THEM OUT, BUT I'M GLAD WE DID THAT TOGETHER, UH, TO MAKE IT WORK.
BUT, UH, YEAH, THEY CLARIFIED EXACTLY WHERE I ANTICIPATED SOME OF THE METAL PANELS TO BE.
UM, AGAIN, UH, THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE TO BE IMPROVED BY YOU.
UM, MY REQUEST THREE IS MY LOCATION TO 15 404 7 84.
AND THIS IS RELATED TO ROOF TREATMENT.
UM, AS NOTED IN MY STAFF REPORT, THE ORDINANCE IS A LITTLE BIT INCONSISTENT ABOUT ROOF TREATMENT IN ONE PLACE.
IT TELLS YOU THOU SHALT NOT, AND OTHER PART IT SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S, IT'S DISCOURAGED AND WHERE IT'S PRACTICAL NOT TO HAVE.
SO, UM, IF YOU DO USE IT, UM, PERIOD, FOOTBALL SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, UM, DISCREET ROOF TYPE EQUIPMENT.
AS WE WERE COMING FORWARD WITH THIS APPLICATION IS SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE, UM, CONTRADICTORY WITHIN THE ORDINANCE.
I FELT IT APPROPRIATE THAT THE COMMITTEE COULD ALSO CONSIDER THAT.
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IT DOES REFERENCE, AGAIN, SCREEN ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT FOR THIS.THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN HERE THERE'S A, A PARAPET WALL THAT WILL GO UP AND SCREEN THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT AS WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE BEFORE.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S INCONSISTENT IS EXACTLY HOW OUR CARS TREATED ON A ROOFTOP TYPE SCALE.
UM, AS NOTED, THEY HAVE SCREENED IT ON THE ENRICO SIDE, UM, TO THE EAST, UM, BUT TO THE WEST, UM, I THINK IT'S JUST SOME TYPE OF WIRE AND TYPE OF CONTRAPTION THERE.
SO THERE'S NO SCREENING FOR THAT.
UM, AGAIN, AS WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS, THAT WOULD'VE TO BE GRAIN UP MODIFICATION, UM, THROUGH YOU.
UM, THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF PROOF FLAT ROOF WITHIN THE OVERLAY AS I REFERENCE.
UM, THERE'S THE, UH, MCDONALD'S AND TYPICALLY WITH A LOT OF THE, UM, OVER RELAY PROVISIONS WHERE WE HAVE FLAT RAYS, WE HAVE SOME SORT OF CORNES, OTHER TYPE OF FEATURES.
AND THIS IS RESIDENCE INN UP HERE.
THIS IS THE ROOF OF MCDONALD'S AND THE TACO BELL.
THEY'RE LOCATED IN BROADVIEW SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, THIS IS THE AUDI BUILDING HERE.
THEY DO HAVE A FLAT ROOF AND UM, THEIR'S IS HERE.
UM, SO AGAIN, IT HAS BEEN A COMMON TYPE OF ELEMENT WITHIN THE OVERLAY THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
MODIFICATION REQUEST FOUR RELATES TO PARKING.
UM, YOU CAN, THE INTENT OF THE OVERLAY IS TO REALLY BREAK UP A MASSIVE PARKING, UM, ESPECIALLY HOW IT RELATES TO THE STREET.
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THAT CAN OCCUR.
UM, YOU SHOULD HAVE NO MORE THAN DOUBLE ROAD PARKING ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE, IN THIS CASE, BROAD STREET ROAD, UM, THE CHEVY PARKING, UM, AERIAL ON ALL SIDES FRONT REAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING OR UTILIZE A LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT PRACTICE WITHIN THE PARKING AREAS TO ADDRESS, UM, SHOULD BE ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES.
UM, WHAT KIND OF, WHAT EXAMPLES OF LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT PRACTICES HAVE WE SEEN? WE HAVE ACTUALLY, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY OF THOSE THAT HAVE SOUGHT EXCEPTION THROUGH UTILIZING THAT IN THE OVERLAY.
THERE ARE EXAMPLES, UM, ONE ADVANCE AUTO, WHAT THE ADVANCED AUTO HAS, THE KIND OF ENHANCED LANDSCAPE AROUND IT.
THAT'S, UM, LID UH, YEAH, THOSE THAT, IT WASN'T DONE TO SAFETY EXCEPTIONS TO THE PARKING DESIGN, BUT WE DO HAVE THE, UM, GREEN GARDEN CIRCLE IMPACT DESIGN THERE.
UM, SO TYPICALLY WITH THAT IT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE, UM, OUS PAVERS, UM, COULD BE, UH, SOME TYPE OF BLOCK THAT'S, UM, USED.
BASICALLY THE IS IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF FILTRATION TO THE PARKING, EXACTLY HOW THAT WOULD ADDRESS SORT OF THE CONCERN ABOUT SEPARATION OR, UM, SHALLOW PARKING RATHER THAN THE SEA OF PARKING.
UM, IT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T SEEM TO MATCH UP, BUT THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT HASN'T PROPOSED TO, TO MEET IT THROUGH THOSE STANDARDS.
THEY HAVE DONE AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO, TO SATISFY THAT BY MOVING THE PARKING AROUND.
UM, SO FOR THIS BEING AN AWKWARD SITE HERE, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE GREEN AREA UP HERE IS THE AREA THAT EXCEEDS DOUBLE ROAD PARKING PERMITTED.
THEY DID PROFFER A LIMITATION IN THE ZONING CASE TO LIMIT THEIR FIRST 100 FEET, WHICH IS OH GREAT.
JUST GENERALLY ALONG THIS LINE HERE TO BE USED FOR CUSTOMER PARKING RATHER THAN INVENTORY OR, OR SHOW THE DISPLAY.
UM, THE RED AREA, THE BOARD DID APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S ALSO SHOWN HERE AS WELL TO HAVE, UM, SOME SIX SPACES THAT WOULD BE USED FOR REALLY DISPLAY OPPORTUNITIES, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, BRING THE VEHICLE UP SO CUSTOMERS CAN SEE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THEY DID ADDITIONALLY HAVE ADDITIONAL SIX SPACES THAT ARE LOCATED GENERALLY IN FRONT HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE TWO CARS THERE THAT WOULD GO ACROSS.
UM, THE APPLICANT DOESN'T PROVIDE PARKING TO THE EAST.
UM, THIS AREA IS REALLY A NECESSARY, UH, ALLEY.
I MEAN ACCESS AROUND THE BUILDING HERE, UM, WITH THE SITE THAT'S, UH, VERY TIGHT CONSTRAINED.
THAT AREA ALSO IS NEEDED FOR FIRE ACCESS, UH, TO GET AROUND THE BUILDING.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE THREE LEVEL PARKING DECK AND THAT'S PRIMARILY TO WILL SERVE AS INVENTORY STORAGE FOR THEM.
SO NOT TYPICAL FOR AN AUTO DEALERSHIP WHERE THERE'S INATED LOTS OF, UM, SPACES OR LOTS OF PARKING AREA WITH DISPLAY OF VEHICLES.
THEY INSTEAD DUE TO THE CONSTRAINTS OF USE OF PARKING DECK.
UM, IN CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT, WE HAVE DISCUSSED, UM, THE CONCERN ABOUT THE PARKING HERE.
WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO OFFER, UM, HIGHER GROWING SHRUBS THAN WHAT'S THERE.
THE CURRENTLY INCAP PLAN, UM, CALLS FOR CARISSA HOLLY'S, WHICH ARE PRETTY SHORT GROWING AND LONG, LONG GROWING.
UM, WE'VE ASKED FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANTS WERE BE WORKING ON A, JUST A LANDSCAPE,
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UM, POSITION FOR THAT.SOMETHING THAT GROWS TALLER, IT'S ABOUT THREE TO FOUR FEET, UH, COULD BE BEING MAINTAINED AT THAT HEIGHT.
UM, AS MENTIONED, THE SITE IS VERY CONSTRAINED.
PARKING TO THE EAST IS LIMITED AND THE PARKING DECK ADDRESSES THE LACK OF, UM, SITE PARKING FOR THE USE.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE'D BE ASKING THE COMMITTEE TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATION OR CONDITION, THE APPROVAL PARKING EXAMPLES, EXAMPLES IN THE OVERLAY.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL IN THE OVERLAY THAT PARKING HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED AT GREATER THAN DOUBLE ROAD.
UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE DESIGN, UH, THAT THE UPDATED, UM, STANDARDS THAT CAME IN SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UH, THE RESIDENCE END UP IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER.
AS YOU CAN SEE THEIR PARKING IS ONE UP AGAINST THE RAMP AND ROADWAY.
THIS RIGHT HERE THAT COMES DOWN ACROSS THAT IS ACTUALLY ANOTHER PARCEL, UM, THAT'S IN FRONT OF THEM.
UH, AGAIN, THE MCDONALD'S AND TACO BELL ON THE LOWER LEFT AUDI UP IN THE FRONT, WHICH REMOVE THEIR PARKING AND THAT WAS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION FOR THEIR SITE DESIGN TO HAVE NO PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO LOCATED DOWN THE SIDES HERE.
NEXT MODIFICATION IS TOO FENCING.
UH, SO THE MODIFICATION HERE IS NEEDED BECAUSE THERE'S NO CHANGING OR WIND PRIVACY FENCE FENCING IS ALLOWED IN THE AIRWAY.
UM, FENCING HAS TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE.
DURABLE LOAD MAINTENANCE, UM, MATERIALS.
UM, TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS, UM, SORT OF COMPOSITE, SOME SORT OF COMPOSITE, UM, FING, I MEAN, UH, FENCING OR VINYL FENCING THAT WE'VE APPROVED.
UM, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, THE FENCING THAT'S PROPOSED IS TO BE GENERALLY AROUND THE AREA OF BOOSTER STATION.
AND APPLICANT PROPOSES TO USE CHAINY BLACK VINYL COATED FENCING.
UM, AND THEY PROVIDE ALSO A ROW OF SIX FOOT MINIMUM HEIGHT EVERGREENS ALONG THE NON GATE AREAS FOR THE BOOSTER STATION.
DOES IT SHOW WHERE THE GATE WOULD BE? UM, SO THE GATE WILL BE UP HERE GENERALLY WHERE THIS RED ARROW IS UP HERE ON THE TOP.
AS YOU CAN SEE THIS, OUR EXISTING ACCESS IS THERE, THE COUNTIES AND IT'S BEING INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE APPLICANT'S ACCESS THAT BE
AND WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED IS TO DO, UM, SOME SIX FOOT EVERGREEN TREES THAT WOULD, UH, GO ALONG THIS PERIMETER HERE.
THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT TO BOTH HIDE THE, THE BOOSTER STATION AND UM, TO ALSO SOFTEN THE, THE IMPACT OF THE FENCE AND THE BOOSTER STATION.
UM, WE HAVE ASKED, THE COUNTY IS ACTUALLY, AND THE APPLICANT I THINK ARE BOTH INTERESTED IN DEFENSE AROUND THE BOOSTER STATION SO THAT WE PREVENT ACCESS IN THERE FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND FOR UM, STAFF PERSPECTIVE, THE EVERGREENS ALSO SERVE THE SCREW, UM, SCREEN AT YOU OF ER STATION FROM PEOPLE COMING ONTO TO THE PROPERTY.
I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT I COULDN'T READ THE LITTLE TINY PICTURES.
BUT HOW HIGH IS THE FENCE INTENDED TO BE? UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T RECALL IS A EIGHT, EIGHT EIGHT FOOT FENCE, UM, THERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE GATE AREA THAT WE NEED, UM, TO GET INTO THE ER SOLUTIONS.
SO A TIME OF PLANNING THE FENCE BE
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, THE SIX REQUEST IS RELATED TO STORAGE AND EQUIPMENT.
UM, INTERESTINGLY THE ORDINANCE REFERS TO THIS AREA OF STORAGE EQUIPMENT, BUT REALLY TALKS ABOUT IN SECTION B IS BAY DOORS AND LOADING AREAS.
UM, THE BAY DOORS HAVE TO BE ORIENTED SO THE DOORS DO NOT BASE BROAD STREET ROAD, UM, THAT CAN BE ACCESSED FROM THE STRUCTURE SIDE OR REAR.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL HAS THREE BAY DOORS FACING BROAD STREET ROAD, UM, RECENT APPROVALS FOR EXCEPTION REQUIRED LANDSCAPING IN ADDITION TO SOME STONE WALLS, UM, THAT IT WAS APPROVED IN APPROVED IN RECENT YEARS.
UM, HERE AGAIN IS THE DISPLAY.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT UH, THE BUILDING HAS A SLIGHT SLIGHTLY ANGLED, UM, ORIENTATION TOWARDS BROAD STREET.
THE BAY DOORS ARE IN THIS INSET PART OF THE ELEVATION AND HERE IS SHOWN RIGHT THERE.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE PERSPECTIVE THAT WOULD BE PRESENT FROM, UH, BROAD STREET ROAD.
UM, SO WE HAVE HAD EXAMPLES IN RECENT YEARS.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS ONE THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE AND THAT'S AUDI DEALERSHIP.
WHERE'S MOVED TO THE SIDE? THE BAY ORIENTATION IS LIMITED FROM BROAD STREET ROAD, NOT FROM OTHER ROADS.
UM, AND THE LENE ACROSS THE STREET WAS APPROVED WITH, UM, A SERIES OF LOW WALLS THAT WERE ATTENDED FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES TO BLOCK THE VISIBILITY INTO THE SITE.
UM, AND ADDITIONALLY LANDSCAPING.
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AND I JUST SEND THEM THAT RECENT PICTURE I TOOK OUT THERE.UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE PRESENTATION FOR THIS.
THERE ARE SIX DIFFERENT REQUESTS, UM, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AND OF COURSE ASK READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ACTUALLY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THESE? TAKE THESE IN ORDER? YEAH, LET'S DO THAT.
SO BEFORE THAT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WRITING PLAN.
I ASSUME IT'S A PHOTO METRIC, BUT IT'S A BIT HARD TO READ.
UM, YOU OR THE APPLICANT HAVE A PHOTO METRIC THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING WE CAN PUT ON THE SCREEN AND READ A LITTLE, UM, MIGHT BE ABLE TO, LEMME SEE.
THESE ARE HARD TO READ UNDER THE BEST OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT MAKES IT EVEN SMALLER WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A SMALL COPY OF THAT.
RIGHT? I CAN ONLY ZOOM IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.
WHY, WHY DON'T WE START AT THE 12 O'CLOCK POSITION ON BROAD STREET, SO THE NORTHERNMOST CENTER MIDPOINT AND GO CLOCKWISE.
WHERE DID YOU LIKE TO START? JUST KIND OF THE MID, MORE OF THE FRONTAGE ON FOSTER ROAD.
SO I'M SEEING THIRTEENS IN THE PARKING AREA, 1.1, 2.7, 1.1 AT THE STREET 0.01.
SO GENERALLY IT MAY AT THE PROPERTY GOES PAST THE CAN'T BE PAST HALF, BUT HANDLE AT THE PROPERTY AND THEN I'D LIKE TO COME TO THE READY, COME TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER, GO AROUND EASTERN PROPERTY.
SO THE COME DOWN TOWARDS THE PLEASE THREE MM-HMM.
THERE'S SLIGHTLY BELOW THE TOPOGRAPHY, THERE'S A TABLE WALL ON THE SIDE OF THE, AND THE LIGHTS ALONG THAT ARE LOWER LEVEL TWO.
IT'S NOT BRINGING LIGHT ATION ACROSS THE PROPERTY.
SO THEN THE LIGHTS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE ARE ON THE OPEN DECK? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEY ARE CUT OFF IN A WAY THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOT SPILLING OVER MUCH BEYOND CORRECT.
THE SIDE OF THE BARN? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE ADJUSTED TO THE HEIGHT OF THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
WHEREAS THE HEIGHT GENERAL, SO GENERALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE G GS, UM, THEY'RE FOUND, I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY I'M, IT WAS ABOUT EIGHT FEET FROM REMEMBER.
AND THEN AS THEY PROGRESSED THE WEST, NATURALLY THEY GET A LITTLE TALLER.
YOU MOVE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY HEIGHT.
BACK TO THE WHICH WAY? JUST BACK IN THE STREET IF YOU WANT.
GET CLOSER, I IMAGINE DRAWING THEM
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ON PAPER.DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE PHOTO METRICS? UH, NO.
WELL OF, FIRST WE'LL REASSESS, WE'LL REASSESS, UM, ALL THESE MENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS THE BUILDING, UM, THE BUILDING MOUNTED ONE.
UM, FOR THAT TO MAKE SURE THEY WORK.
AND, UM, SO IT'S APPARENT AND IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE TWO LIGHTING, UH, POLE HEIGHTS ON THE DECK.
SO FOR US ORIGINALLY ACTUALLY, UM, WE HAD APPROVED THE EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE, THE DECK PARKING FROM BEFORE.
AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THEY'D BEEN, HAD IT THE SECOND TIME WHEN I HAD, UH, WHERE WE LOOKED AT TOGETHER.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE CONFINED TO DOING WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.
THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT LIGHT CAST TOWARDS HECO.
UM, BUT THIS, THOSE ARE THE TYPE, UM, BUILDING THAT WOULD LIGHTING THAT WOULD BE APPROVED OF THIS AREA.
AND ON THE EAST SIDE BY WHERE THE TOWNHOMES ARE OF THE, THERE'S LIGHTING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, BUT IT GENERALLY THERE'S, THERE'S STILL A DOWNLIGHT DOWN LID, AN ANGLE DOWN, I GUESS THEY'RE ON THE SIDE.
AND THEY'RE GENERALLY LOWER THEN AND THEY'RE ON ALL NIGHT.
UM, THE WAY THE, THEY'LL BE ON A TIMER.
SO FOR THIS, FOR THE LIGHTING, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO, UM, BRING IT DOWN AT CERTAIN TIMES.
SO THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE NOT AT 17 AND A HALF FEET.
KEEP IN MIND WE'RE ABOUT SIX PEOPLE OVER NEXT, NEXT DOOR AS WELL.
AND WE HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE ON TOP OF A RETAINING WALL.
SO GENERALLY WOULD BE AT A LOW LEVEL.
THIS, THIS IS A SECURITY LIGHT, IT'S ON A TIMER, WHICH I ASSUME IS AT NIGHT.
AND SO WE GO ABOUT 10 TO SIX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I, THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING IN THE SITE PLAN FOR ME TO FOLLOW.
I, I TRIED TO ZOOM IN ON THE MATERIAL I HAD.
AND WAY DO I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT THIS WAY AS WELL TO, TO BE ABLE TO READ THOSE NUMBERS WE'RE ALREADY HARD TO READ.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT CAME UP, I, I BELIEVE DURING, IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, LIGHTING ON THE DECK.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE, UH, THE APPLICANT MAKING EFFORTS ADDRESS THAT EARLY ON.
THANK YOU, MR. UM, NOW IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR APPLICANT PRESENTATION? YES.
UM, RAY, DO YOU MIND? UH, NO, I'LL BRING YOU OVER THE, UM, IT WORKS.
JUST SO LET ME, LET ME BEGIN BY MAKING AN INTRODUCTION.
SO, UH, MY NAME'S MIKE, ER, I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH RESPONSE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
OUR CLIENT, JOEY WONG, IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, JOEY'S MADE, UM, MANY TRIPS DOWN HERE, HAS MET WITH EVERYBODY.
UM, WHEN ME TO EXPRESS HIS REGRET, UM, HE HAD A, UM, A PREVIOUS COMMITMENT THIS, WHEN THIS MEETING WAS SET.
SO, UM, HE, SORRY, HE WASN'T
BILL KIMMEL, UH, IS WITH RAINIER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, BILL HAS, UM, UH, AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND IN BUILDING, UM, AUTO AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS, UM, BOTH WITH THIS CLIENT AND OTHER CLIENTS.
UM, DAVE COLBY IS WITH AL ARCHITECTS.
UM, DAVE, UH, SIMILARLY HAS LOTS OF EXPERIENCE WITH AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS, UM, HONDA, AUDI, UM, OTHERS AS WELL.
SO, UM, I I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE THAT WE'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD, STRONG TEAM, UM, THAT OUR CLIENT HAS PUT TOGETHER HERE.
AND I, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA DIG INTO THE WEEDS ON SOME OF THIS STUFF.
THESE GUYS ARE REALLY GOOD AT, AT, UM, AT EXPLAINING EVERYTHING.
AND, UH, WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IF, UM, UH, THE TWO MEMBERS OF THE, UM, COMMITTEE FOLLOWED THE ZONING CASE OR FOLLOWED THIS, THIS PARTICULAR MATTER, BUT I THINK IT'S UNDERSTAND, IT'S, IT'S UM, IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE BACKGROUND AND PUT SOME OF THIS IN CONTEXT.
UM, WE'RE NOT COMING IN HERE JUST ASKING FOR EXCEPTIONS 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, WE DON'T WANT TO MEET THE STANDARDS.
UM, AND SO WHAT I, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS JUST GIVE A QUICK BACKGROUND ON SOME OF THE THINGS.
WE, WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS CASE FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
UM, WE, IN FACT, IT'S OVER A YEAR.
WE CAME IN SEPTEMBER OF 22 AND THAT WITH JANIE AND RAY, UM, TO, TO LAY OUT, UM, SOME OF THE ISSUES AND, AND TALK ABOUT THE SITE AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED AS PART OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL APPLICATION IS
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REALLY, UM, THE PRODUCT THAT, THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER AFTER RECEIVING A LOT OF INPUT FROM DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM COUNTY STAFF, UH, WE MET WITH EACH, UM, EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, SEPARATELY TO, TO GO THROUGH NOT JUST CONCEPTUALLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THOUGHT THAT WE, WE SHOWED THEM OUR ARCHITECTURALS, UM, AND, AND WE APPRECIATED.WE, WE, UM, JAMIE AND RAY, YOU KNOW, DID A GOOD JOB OF VERY EARLY ON TELLING US, HEY, THIS SITE'S TOUGH.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, WE HAD, WE APPROVED A, A USE HERE YEARS AGO, UM, FOR THE MEMORY CARE FACILITY.
UM, I HAD NEVER DEVELOPED BECAUSE THE SITE IS REALLY CHALLENGING.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE JUST A LITTLE BIT, UM, UH, OF CONTEXT AS, AND, AND THESE ARE THE SAME, UM, UH, DIAGRAMS THAT, UH, RAY USED.
BUT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
SO WE ARE ACTUALLY NOT JUST EAST OF ROUTE 2 88, WE'RE ACTUALLY EAST OF TUCKAHOE CREEK HERE.
SO WE'RE ONE OF THE ONLY PROPERTIES THAT'S REALLY EAST OF TUCKAHOE CREEK BETWEEN, UH, THE CREEK AND THE COUNTY LINE.
SO WHEN WE FIRST, UM, CAME IN TO TALK ABOUT A HONDA DEALERSHIP, THERE WERE SOME OTHER, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS SELLERS THAT HAD APPROACHED OUR CLIENT, UM, WEST OF 2 88 OFFERING SOME LAND.
AND CANDIDLY, IT WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH EASIER TO BUILD, BUILD ON SOME OF THOSE SITES.
BUT THE COUNTY WAS VERY, YOU KNOW, VERY SPECIFIC RIGHT FROM THE GET GO.
WE DON'T WANT AN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP WEST OF 2 88, THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UM, WE VIEW THAT DIFFERENTLY AND WE WANT TO PROTECT THAT AREA.
SO, UM, SO THIS, THIS SITE'S ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE FEW SITES REMAINING EAST OF 2 88.
UM, SO, SO WHEN, SO WE, WE FOCUSED ON THIS SITE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS JUST SORT OF SHOWS THE OTHER USES AROUND US, UM, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THE, THE STAR SORT OF SHOWS WHERE THE HONDA DEALERSHIP, YOU KNOW, IS PROPOSED FOR RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.
WE HAVE THE VALVOLINE AND TOMMY'S CAR WASH, WAWA CHICK-FIL-A AUDI, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE EXCEPTIONS THAT, THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, TONIGHT HAVE BEEN GRANTED TO OTHERS.
WE FEEL, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE USERS EAST OF 2 88, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF NATIONAL REGIONAL TYPE OF USERS, UM, THAT HAVE THEIR PROTOTYPE, UM, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURES, BUILDINGS, UM, AND, AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME PHOTOS OF SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS IF WE NEED TO GET TO THAT.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT AUDI AND YOU LOOK AT TOMMY'S CAR WASH AND
SO WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEED TO MEET.
UM, AND WE THINK WE FIT, WE THINK WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING HERE FITS REALLY WELL, UM, WITH WHAT IS EAST OF TWO 80.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THIS SORT OF ABOUT THE MANNEQUIN PROPER, BUT, UM, WE THINK THIS IS A, A GOOD USE FOR, FOR THIS SITE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, AND RAY, RAY DID THIS, BUT WE, WE CREATED A DIAGRAM THAT THAT SHOWS IN MORE COLOR THAT THE RESTRICTIONS HERE.
SO SHANNON IN ORANGE IS THE COUNTY'S PUMP STATION.
UM, AND I GUESS, IS THAT A BP BACK THERE? YEAH, UM, EXISTING STORMWATER FACILITY.
AND THEN REALLY WHAT MAKES THIS, AND, AND WE GOT SORT OF FLOODPLAIN AND UNUSABLE SPACE BACK HERE.
WHAT MAKES THIS SITE THE MOST DIFFICULT THOUGH IS THIS HENRICO COUNTY SEWER EASEMENT THAT RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T LOCATE ANY PART OF THE BUILDING, ANY PERMANENT IMPROVEMENT, UM, WITHIN THAT EASEMENT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S AN EASEMENT THAT'S OWNED BY HENRICO.
IT'S ONE OF THEIR SANITARY SEWER TRUNK LINES THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT THAT, THAT RESTRICTS WHAT WE CAN DO, HOW WE CAN MOVE THE, THE BUILDING AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PARKING CAN GO.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF HIGHLIGHT THAT.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA ZIP THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE.
THIS, THIS IS THE, THE LAYOUT PLAN, UM, JUST SHOWING THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE BUILDING.
SO THEN WE'RE GETTING INTO THE ARCHITECTURALS AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO, AND WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THESE.
HOWEVER, THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO, IF YOU WANT TO GET THROUGH EACH OF THE, UM, SIX ITEMS THAT, THAT, UM, RAY HAS LISTED INDIVIDUALLY.
BUT I'LL JUST DO A QUICK RUN THROUGH.
UM, SO WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER ELEVATIONS, UM, THAT, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE THE RESULT OF INPUT FROM VARIOUS FOLKS, UM, COUNTY STAFF, UM, WE'VE TALKED TO THE SUPERVISORS.
WE ALSO HAD TO TALK TO, UM, TO WEST CREEK, UM, GET THEIR INPUT ON THIS.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WAS UNIFORM AND UH, BUT ALSO PROVIDE SOME
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ARCHITECTURAL STYLING.AND, UM, AND I'M NOT GONNA TALK TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE DAVE WILL PROBABLY SAY I'M BUTCHERING THE PRESENTATION.
HE'S THE ARCHITECT
BUT SO WE'VE PUT TOGETHER ELEVATIONS THOUGH FOR, FOR EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH AND DISCUSS.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOWING, UH, WHERE WE ARE IN RELATION TO, TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
ONE THING I JUST WANT TO NOTE WITH REGARD TO THE STANLEY MARTIN TOWN HOMES NEXT TO US.
SO NOW, UM, GATEWAY SQUARE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE NAME OF THAT, IS SORT OF CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER HENRICO URBAN EXCUSE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK OF GREENGATE, WHERE YOU THINK OF WEST BROAD VILLAGE, UM, IT'S GOT HIGH RISE RESIDENTIAL REALLY NESTLED IN AMONGST OTHER COMMERCIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO YOU'VE GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENCES HERE AND IN THE BACK, AND THEN YOU HAVE A FRONT, UM, THAT IS NON-RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK MAYBE THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN OR CONCEPT PLAN SHOULD SOME COMMERCIAL.
I THINK SOME OF THAT IS NOW MEDICAL OFFICE, UH, BUT IT'S NON-RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AND SO WHAT THE, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SORT OF NOTE FROM THIS IS THERE WAS A LOT OF, NOW WE, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANY INDIVIDUALS EXPRESSING CONCERN THAT WE WE'RE UN WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT ENRICO COUNTY HAS SENT A LETTER IN, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, UM, THIS PROPERTY IN THIS DRY VILE, YOU KNOW, IN THE REDUCED BUFFER WAS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAD ACCEPTED BACK IN 2015 WHEN THAT MEMORY CARE FACILITY, UM, CAME IN.
BECAUSE THE, THE WAY THE SITE IS LAID OUT, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO PUT THE STRUCTURE IN THIS AREA AND YOU NEED CIRCULATION AROUND IT.
UM, AND SO, SO THAT, THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2015 AND WE HAD TO COME IN AND REQUEST FOR A PROFFER AMENDMENT TO CUP, UH, BECAUSE ALL THE DEAL DEALERSHIP IS, IS A CONDITIONAL USE UNDER DEAL.
UM, AND SO THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN ZONED BEING ONE WE NEEDED A, A PROFFER AMENDMENT TO, TO ADD AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO NOTE IN THE NOTE IN THIS DIAGRAM, SO THE, THE FRONT, UM, SET OF TOWN HOMES FACE NORTH AND SOUTH, SO YOU HAVE I GUESS TWO UNITS, ONE UNIT ON EACH SET OF BUILDINGS, ONE UNIT HERE AND ONE UNIT HERE THAT HAVE A COUPLE WINDOWS FACING, UM, TO THE WEST.
THE, THE UNITS THAT ARE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WE WE BELIEVE SORT OF SET BACK BEHIND WHERE THE PARKING STRUCTURE WILL BE AND A LOT OF THESE UNITS WILL ACTUALLY LOOK INTO UNDISTURBED AREA VACUUM.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO WHILE THERE IS SOME VISIBILITY, YOU KNOW, OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF VISIBILITY OF ALL THE COMMERCIAL USES ALONG BROAD STREET AS WELL.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THIS WAS A RENDERING THAT HAW, UM, HAD PUT TOGETHER, UM, SHOWING THIS LOOKING FROM, UM, THE NORTHEAST, RIGHT, NORTHEAST, SOUTHEAST, RIGHT.
LOOKING TO THE RAISED, TALKING TO THE NORTHWEST.
YEAH, LOOKING FROM THE SOUTHEAST, THE NORTHWEST, RIGHT.
AND, AND SO YOU'LL SEE, UM, OBVIOUSLY HERE'S THE, THE PARKING STRUCTURE, THE, UM, COUNTIES PUMP STATION BACK HERE.
UM, ONE THING, AND WE'LL GET TO THIS WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE FENCING, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE APPLICANT IS, IS WILLING TO PUT UP VINYL FENCING, UM, IF THAT'S WHAT THE REVIEW COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, UM, WANTS TO DO.
WE, WE PROPOSED CHAIN LINK FROM THE STANDPOINT OF SECURITY.
WE TALKED TO PUBLIC UTILITIES.
UM, THEY EXPRESSED, YOU KNOW, CONCERN ABOUT, UM, SECURITY FOR THIS SITE.
SO WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT A CHAIN LINK, UH, FINAL CODED, YOU KNOW, SO IT WOULD BE A BLACK FENCE IS STRONGER FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT.
AND WE'RE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, PROPOSING TO SCREEN THAT WITH, UM, WITH LANDSCAPING AND WITH, UH, EVERGREEN SHRUBS.
UM, BUT THE GATE AND, AND BILL CAN TALK ABOUT THIS, WE JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS A BETTER, UM, ALTERNATIVE TO USE.
UM, I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THESE QUICKLY HERE.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS FROM THE NORTHEAST, UM, SORT OF LOOKING, UM, JUST TO FEEL RENDERING THIS, THIS NEXT ONE HERE.
SO THIS WAS AS, THIS WAS A YEAR LONG PROCESS SORT OF GETTING THROUGH ZONING AND SOME OF THE, THE, THE RENDERINGS THAT, THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, PUT TOGETHER AT THE VERY EARLY ONSET OF THIS, UM, APPLICATION, TALK ABOUT THE ZONING APPLICATION WERE JUST SORT OF TO SHOW THE BUILDING.
THEY DIDN'T INCORPORATE THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY, UM, SOME OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO THIS SHOWS THAT THERE WILL BE SOME NATURAL BUFFERING, UM, YOU KNOW, AND AND SCREENING THAT OCCURS SIMPLY DUE TO THE, THE ELEVATION CHANGE IN THE TOPOGRAPHY, UH, OF THE SITE.
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THE, THIS PROPERTY IS SORT OF RAISED FROM BROAD STREET, SO THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPHILL HERE UNLESS YOU KNOW, SORT OF A BURN TYPE EFFECT.UM, SO WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT VIEW ARE YOU GONNA HAVE OF THE PARKING AREAS, WHAT VIEW ARE YOU GONNA HAVE OF THE BAY DOORS.
UM, SO HERE'S JUST A SORT OF ANOTHER, UM, VIEW FROM FROM STREET LEVEL.
UM, WE'VE INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME SIGNAGE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE REVIEWING THAT TONIGHT, BUT WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF.
I THINK WE, WE HAD PROPOSED SOME SIGNAGE THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE INITIALLY.
UM, AND SO WE WENT BACK AND REVISED THAT AND, AND UM, PUT SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE, UM, ACCEPTED AND WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO JUST AN EXAMPLE THAT DAVE HAS, UM, BROUGHT A BOARD WITH HIM AND WE WILL WALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE, UM, SOME OF THESE SPECIFIC, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPOSALS AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS, THE COLORS INVOLVED, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE, WHY HE USED THOSE, UM, UH, DAVE CAN CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPING BILL WILL BE THE ONE WE, WE'VE TRIED TO ENHANCE.
UH, WE'VE DONE SOME THINGS OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THE COUNTY REQUIRES.
WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO SWAP OUT CERTAIN TYPES OF SHRUBS.
UM, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO DISCUSS THOSE.
THE, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER A PRETTY ROBUST, UM, LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THESE JUST SORT OF GET INTO THE WEEDS.
I DON'T THINK LIGHTING IS TECHNICALLY PART OF THIS REVIEW TONIGHT, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT UM, YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A, A, A PROPOSAL THAT MEETS, UM, THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOCATING IN.
UM, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY READY TO, TO DIG IN ON THESE THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF ONES THAT WE COULD ADDRESS PRETTY QUICKLY, LIKE THE BAY DOORS AND THE FENCING, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO UM, YOU KNOW, TACKLE THEM HOWEVER THE TWO OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT LANDSCAPE PLAN, THAT SHEET 29, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO SHEET 31 I GUESS, BUT 29 IS UM, I CAN SEE SOME, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL GRADING TO THE WEST SIDE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND I SEE THE GRADING TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
I'M HAVING A, UH, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU ALL COULD, YOU BUILT, COULD DESCRIBE BETWEEN THE TWO ENTRANCES OR THE TWO ACCESS POINTS, UM, DESCRIBE THE AMOUNT OF GRADING THAT IS EXPECTED, UM, WITH THE NATURAL BURNING THAT'S THERE OR THE BURNING THAT'S IN PLACE.
HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE AMOUNT OF MOVING THAT'S GOING ON? I DON'T SEE A LOT OF GRADING LINES ON THIS
UM, WELL GENERALLY WE'RE GONNA BE COMING UP INTO THE SITE OFF THE OFF OF BROAD STREET COMING IN THAT WEST ENTRANCE.
UM, SO THERE WILL BE SOME GRADING OVERALL.
UM, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN, I THINK GRADING AT THAT POINT'S LIKE A 1 67.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A GRADING PLAN ACTUALLY I DID NOT SEE IN THE SUBMITTAL GRADING.
DO HAVE SOME, SOME, UH, I GUESS BUFFALO.
YEAH, SO GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ABOUT AT 1 67 OR SO COMING INTO GRADE AS YOU'RE COMING UP UP TO THE DEALERSHIP, YOU'RE GETTING TO ABOUT 180 2 IN THIS AREA.
AND THEN YOU'RE GENERALLY COMING BACK DOWN AND I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT 1 77 OR SO ON THIS.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN RAY, THERE, THERE ARE SOME GRADE LINES THAT YOU START TO SEE.
I'D HAVE TO LEAVE THE PRESENTATION.
WE CAN GO, I MEAN I CAN PULL, THAT'S FINE ALONG HERE THAT SHOWS, BUT WHAT I'M SEEING IF, IF I CAN, WE'RE TRYING TO, HERE, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP A LOT OF THIS NATURAL GRADE AND BE AS NATURAL AS WE CAN COMING IN THIS AND REALLY LEVELING OFF OUR SITE.
SO WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME RETAINING WALLS IN THE BUILDING RIGHT ON THIS BACKSIDE AND TRYING TO CREATE A POSITIVE DRAINAGE AS WE, AS WE, UH, BRING OUR STORM SEWER FROM NORTH TO SOUTH DOWN TO THE SPREADER.
SO YEAH, YOU CAN START TO SEE THERE, 180 2 JUMPED ONTO 1 79, 1 78 STREET LEVEL HERE AND IF YOU CAN PAN IN TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE, RIGHT.
SO ONE I'M SAYING IS THAT GRADING AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AROUND THE WEST ENTRANCE AND THE EAST EXIT AND, AND NOT A LOT OF GRADING BETWEEN THOSE POINTS.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S TO WORK BACK TO GRADING.
WE'RE ESTABLISHING NOT ON THE SITE AREA.
YEAH, WE'RE ESTABLISHING A GRADE THE SITE AND MAKING SURE IT WORKS WORKING OUT OF THE SITE.
SO IS IT CORRECT THAT MOST OF THE GRADE AT THE ROAD FRONTAGE WILL REMAIN OUTSIDE OF THOSE ENTRANCE AREAS AND LOOKS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE? YES.
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UM, QUICKLY NOTE ALSO, THIS IS THE, UH, PRIMARY UTILITY, UM, A VOLVO.VOLVO RIGHT HERE, WHICH NOT DISTURBED, WHICH IS INTERESTING 'CAUSE THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A POTENTIAL LANE RECONFIGURATION THERE.
SO WE ARE WIDENING THIS ENTRANCE, RIGHT.
AND PUTTING THIS TURN LANE IN LET'S THAT ROAD ACTUALLY, UM, DECELS BACK INTO THIS LANE.
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT TO CREATE OUR TURN LANE IN MM-HMM
AND SO WE ARE GENERALLY WIDENING THIS AREA RIGHT.
COMING IN AND THEN MAINTAINING IT AS WE GET PAST THE ENTRANCE PARKING BACK TO THE PUMP HOUSE.
IS THIS A BALANCE SITE OR ARE YOU BRINGING IN DIRT TAKING OUT THERE? UM, NO, I HAVEN'T LOOKED, I HAVEN'T DONE A FULL GRADING ON IT HONESTLY.
I MEAN THEY'VE DONE THE GRADING, BUT I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE GRADING PLAN AT THAT TO THAT LEVEL AT THIS POINT.
SO THE REASON I ASK IS IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE ADDITIONAL BURING ON TOP OF THE BUR, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE WITHIN YOUR GRADING? POSSIBLY.
WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF IT, BUT WE GET PRETTY STEEP.
WE GET PRETTY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TELL THE GRAY LINE'S KIND OF DRAWING CLOSE TOGETHER, SO WE GET A LITTLE STEEP RIGHT THERE.
UM, AND THEN ON THE ENTRANCE IT'S THREE BAYS CORRECT? INTO THE SERVICE RECEPTION AREA? YES.
AND IS THAT A THROUGH, IS THAT A THROUGH BAY PASSAGE OR IS IT, DO THOSE CARS BACK OUT? UH, IT'LL BE, UM, GENERALLY IT'S INTENDED TO BE A THROUGH BAY INTO THE SERVICE.
SO THEY'LL COME IN AND GENERALLY COME INTO SERVICE HERE OR THEY CAN COME OUT HERE.
OKAY, SO THE ONE LANE CAN TRANSIT THROUGH AND THE OTHER'S TRANSIT IN.
THAT LANE TRANSITS THROUGH THESE TWO TRANSIT IN THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT AREA RIGHT THERE ALSO IS, UH, THAT MEANS IN SERVICE DRIVE.
SO THAT'S WHERE CUSTOMERS DRIVE THEIR CAR IN THE BUILDING GREETED.
IT'S REALLY A CONTINUATION OF THE SHOWROOM KIND OF SERVICE DRIVE DEALERSHIP.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY COMMON.
SO THAT SPACE IS NOT A GARAGE FUNCTION WHERE THERE'S TOOLS, YOU KNOW, LIFTS, ANY OF THAT STUFF IS GOING ON WHERE YOU'RE GREETED AND RECEIVED.
YEAH, IT'S A NICE SPACE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S GOT I THINK TOP FLOORS AND CEILINGS AND LIGHTS AND, AND GENERALLY SPEAKING IT'S APPROXIMATELY 'CAUSE OR A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACKS, ACTUALLY 120 FEET SETBACK HERE.
IT'S GENERALLY SITTING ABOUT 160, 180 FEET BACK FROM ROADWAY.
I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THE ONE 20 FOOT SETBACK RIGHT HERE? IT'S A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK, BUT THE DOG ONE 20 IS THAT, WELL THAT AIN'T, THAT RIGHT? THERE IS HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK, THAT DASH LINE THAT SORT OF PROCEEDS UP THERE.
SO THE BUILDING, I THINK PART OF IT'S, SO THAT'S THE HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK AND BILL CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT FROM VDOT HAS HAS, UM, IDENTIFIED A POSSIBLE EXPANSION OF BROAD STREET IN THE FUTURE.
UM, SO WE HAVE ACCOMMODATED THAT ALREADY.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT IF IT DOES, WE WILL MEET THE SETBACK WHEN IT OCCURS.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE PUSHED IT BACK FORWARD.
WE FELT AT LEAST THE BUILDING NEEDED TO SET BACK AT THIS POINT IN THE EVENT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT BECOMES A REALITY IN THE FUTURE, THE BUILDING'S ALREADY BACK.
SO THEY'VE INCORPORATED THE RIGHT OF WAY WE ANTICIPATE.
SO THOSE ARE THE CLARIFY QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK.
UM, SO THE, ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF TREES THERE, WHICH CLEARLY ARE NOT GONNA BE THERE, RIGHT? UNLESS THEY'RE ON THE RYAN PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY BUFFERING THERE IN TERMS OF VIEW.
WE'LL HAVE A NINE, WE'LL HAVE A, WE'LL HAVE A RETAINING WALL THAT TAPERS FROM NINE FOOT THE NORTHERN END DOWN TO ABOUT THREE OR FOUR FOOT AT THE SOUTHERN END.
IT VARIES A LITTLE BIT THROUGH THERE.
IT'S A CON, IT'LL BE A CONCRETE RETAINING WALL AND IT'LL HAVE A SIX FOOT, WE'RE PROPOSING A SIX FOOT VINYL PRIVACY FENCE ON TOP OF THAT TO CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.
UM, BUT ONCE WE GET BEYOND THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE BUILDING, UM, WHERE THE WETLANDS IS AT, ALL OF THAT FURTHER TO THE SOUTH WILL REMAIN, ALL THE TREES WILL REMAIN.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WE'RE STARTING TO TRY TO PLANT SOME TREES WHERE WE CAN ON THIS BACKSIDE OVER HERE JUST, AND I BELIEVE THE PROFFER SAYS THAT POSS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO IF POSSIBLE WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ON THE FENCES.
THE UM, I THINK IN ONE OF THE, THE REFERENCE FROM HENRICO WAS REGARDING, UM, THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK, UM, FIVE FOOT ABILITY FOR S KIND OF LIMITED, BUT THAT'S WHAT HE DID PROPER.
THE, UH, VINYL PANTS ABOVE HIGHER H OF THE
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CHARACTER.WOULD IT LIKE ME TO RETURN TO THE REQUEST? UH, ANYTHING WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO LOOK AT? PROBABLY THE PRESENTATION BULLET POINTS, IF YOU DON'T MIND WOULD BE QUESTION AND UH, WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS EACH ONE.
I CAN GO BACK TO EACH HEADING OR JUST, UH, YEAH, FOR EACH HEADING IF YOU'LL THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, THIS IS ACTING ON THIS AND WE CLEARLY WE'RE NOT REHEARSED SO WE GET TO GO AHEAD, START.
UM, SO I THINK ON THE, UM, THE NEXT NEAREST CAR DEALERSHIP WE HAVE, WHICH IS THE AUDI PEOPLE WOULD GENERALLY CONSIDER THAT ARCHITECTURAL SUCCESS SET A LOT OF THE, NOT ONLY THE TONE FOR CONSISTENCY IN THE AREA, BUT ALSO, UM, CREATED SOME NEW ELEMENTS INCLUDING THE STONEWALL FEATURES THAT WE SEE DOWN THE ROAD THAT ALLOW SOME, BY MY CALCULATION, THE, THE ROUGH AMOUNT OF GLASS TREATMENT ON THE AUDI DEALERSHIP IS ABOUT, UH, 40%, MAYBE AS MUCH AS 50% OF THAT FACADE HERE, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF A FACADE.
UM, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY QUITE DIFFERENT.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT THINGS THAT MIGHT BE EASY, EASY GIVES OR CONVERSATIONS.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD BE INTERESTED, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN APPROACHING GLASS NOT BEING THE PREDOMINANT MATERIAL.
SO IN RESPONSE TO THAT, I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT TOO.
SO ON THE FACADE OF THIS BUILDING, I THINK THERE'S LIKE FIVE HUGE AREAS OF GLASS.
SO YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE WHOLE FRONT IS GLASS AND THEN I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DRIVING BAYS ARE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TOO.
UM, WHEREAS THE AUDI, I THINK HAD THREE MAYBE AT THE FRONT AND THEN IT WRAPS AROUND THE SIDE.
UM, BUT THE ENTIRE FRONT IS NOT GLASS.
UM, AND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM AS BIG IN, IN TERMS OF WIDTH WITH ALL THE GLASS ON THE FRONT.
YEAH, I MEAN MY, MY TAKE ON THAT, IF I WERE TO CHARACTERIZE THE STYLE WOULD BE THIS IS MORE INDUSTRIAL STYLE.
CERTAINLY COMMERCIAL WITH MORE INDUSTRIAL STYLE WIND IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AUDI IS PRETTY UNCOMMON.
IT'S NOT UNIQUE NECESSARILY, BUT, BUT THE WRAP OVER, UM, OVER THE WINDOW BUILDING WALL MATERIAL IS INTERESTING.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT BREAKS UP THAT EXPANSIVE GLASS IS THAT THE GLASS DOESN'T RISE ALL THE WAY TO THE CORNER LINE.
AND THERE'S NO PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU SEE GREEN SPACE AND TRUCKS, WHICH IS NICE.
IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN THE FIELD OVERALL APPEAL.
YEAH, I, I KNOW CAR DEALERS LIKE, LIKE WHAT THEY LIKE TO HAVE THEIR STANDARD LOOK THINGS TO CONSIDER IS, UM, THE, THE FRONT OF OUR BUILDING HAS A VERY LARGE CANTILEVER AWNING OVER IT.
THIS BLUE ELEMENT THAT'S COMING OVER, WHICH CREATES SOME LEVEL OF COVER, UM, WALK UNDERNEATH THE IT, UH, IT'S, I WHEN LOOKING AT THE CODE AND TRYING TO FIND SOME SIMILARITIES OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TO WHAT IN THE ZONING TEXT, THERE'S SOME TALK ABOUT, UM, COVERED AREAS AND PIECE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK I READ'S SOMEWHERE IN THE CODE.
SO IT, IT'S NOT EXACTLY LIKE THE PORCHES IN THE ULA, I KNOW IT'S NOT THE SAME LEVEL OF SCALE OF WHEN THAT STUFF IS, BUT THERE IS SOME DEPTH THAT IS BEING ACHIEVED WITH THIS DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
UM, ANOTHER THING ABOUT THAT IS ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THAT, SEE THE BLUE, UM, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE OF THE EXTERIOR.
SO THERE'S THE BLUE, UM, ACCENT MATERIAL AND THEN IN FRONT OF THAT THERE ARE LOUVERS BEYOND THAT THE, UM, THERE'S THREE OR FOUR OF THOSE WHITE BANDS THAT PROJECT EVEN FURTHER OUT, WHICH GET EVEN MORE COVER OVER THAT AREA.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS IN TOTAL, UM, I I MEAN THERE'S NOT, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ABOUT THE 50% OF THE ELEVATION, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OTHER AREAS OF THE BUILDING THAT THAT WOULD BALANCE OUT AS WELL.
UM, JUST BESIDE THE, THE EAST SIDE, THE SERVICE DRIVE
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HAS A BIT MORE, UM, SOLID WALL IN IT AS WELL.UM, I MEAN ONE OF THE THINGS JUST, JUST FROM A STEPPING BACK, JUST ENTIRELY ON THIS PROJECT, THIS TYPE OF DESIGN IS REALLY, UM, KIND OF ABOVE AND BEYOND, UH, WHAT IS A NORMAL CAR DEALERSHIP.
JUST WE DO A TON OF CAR DEALERSHIPS.
UM, WE DOING CAR DEALERSHIPS IN OUR OFFICE BEFORE THERE WERE EVEN PROTOTYPES.
SO IT'S BEEN LIKE 30 YEARS MARK THAT WE'RE IN.
AND THE FACT THAT THIS BUILDING HAS A, A TWO STORY SHOWROOM THAT'S A UNIQUE FEATURE THAT NOT ALL, UM, NOT ALL CAR DEALERSHIPS HAVE THREE BAY SERVICE RECEPTION.
THERE'S A LOT OF SERVICE RECEPTION, WHICH IS SPEAKING TO THE SERVICE AND WHAT THEY DO FOR THE COMMUNITY ABOVE THE SERVICE DRIVE.
THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOUNGE UP THERE, SO THERE'S A CANOPY THE AREA, SO YOU CAN GO OUTSIDE AND ACTUALLY OCCUPY THE ROOF ON TOP OF THAT SERVICE DRIVE, WHICH AGAIN IS KIND OF A UNIQUE FEATURE YOU DON'T REALLY SEE VERY OFTEN.
UM, AND THEN THE PARKING STRUCTURE BEHIND IT IS, UM, I MEAN THAT'S, UH, OF ALL OF THE DEALERSHIPS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU GET A PARKING STRUCTURE INVOLVED, IT'S VERY, VERY RARE.
I'D SAY THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OUT OF A HUNDRED HAVE SOME KIND OF A PARKING STRUCTURE ELEMENT THAT'S BUILT INTO IT.
UM, SO I, I SAY ALL THAT MAINLY 'CAUSE JUST THE, THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT AND THE COMMITMENT THAT, THAT JOEY HAS TO THIS AREA IS, THIS IS A, THIS IS A BIG DEAL AND THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY, UM, UH, BIG COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND RAY, I DON'T, CAN YOU, UM, ARE YOU ABLE OR OUR PRESENTATION, UM, 'CAUSE I, I DO WANT TO JUST ADDRESS THE AUDI, UH, DEALERSHIP AND SO, UM, DAVE PUT THIS TOGETHER.
SO THE, SO THE VARIOUS AUDI DEALERSHIPS HERE, SO I THINK THE ONE IN THE TOP RIGHT IS, IS RICHMOND.
UM, AND YOU'LL YOU'LL SORT OF SEE, I MEAN THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN LOOK TO THEM AND EVERY, EVERY MANUFACTURER IS THE SAME, RIGHT? UM, SO WE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE CERTAIN LOOKS THAT, THAT THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN, ESPECIALLY WITH NEW DEALERSHIPS.
SO I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE SOME, A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY WITH SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURALS MM-HMM,
THE, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO JUST SAY ABOUT THE PARKING DECK, WHICH I DIDN'T COVER, UM, YOU KNOW, IN MY INITIAL PRESENTATION, SO THAT, UM, AND BILL COULDN'T CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IN THIS, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY AN EIGHT TO 10 MILLION, UM, ITEM.
AND THAT IS NOT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, OUR CLIENT MAY CHOOSE TO DO, UM, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT IN TALKING WITH FOLKS, UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE NEWS WE'VE HAD WITH, WITH VARIOUS FOLKS THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED AS A POSITIVE, THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED AS, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE A SEA OF CARS.
YOU KNOW, MAKE THE, MAKE THE PARKING BAD WORK AS GOOD AS YOU CAN.
UM, SO WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP ALL THIS CONSISTENT.
UM, WE'VE TRIED TO, TO USE, UM, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS MATERIALS, GLASS, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET INTO, 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE ITEMS, SOME OF THESE CATEGORIES THAT RAISE OUT ON OVERLAP, RIGHT? UM, THE CHARACTER AND THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE, ARE, UH, ALLOWABLE BY, RIGHT? AS FAR AS BUILDING MATERIALS LIKE THE ETHOS AND THE CEMENTITIOUS SIGHTING.
AND WE ACTUALLY DID THINK WHAT WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD IS ACTUALLY BETTER THAN WHAT COULD BE DO, COULD BE DONE BY BRIGHT IN SOME RESPECTS.
AND, AND DAVE CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, PUT INTO AS FAR AS THE DESIGN OF WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, THE, THE PATH, THE, UH, PANELING AND THE, THE PRECAST IS GOING TO BE.
AND, AND THERE ARE, THERE'S THE ABILITY TO MAKE SOME VARIATIONS IN THAT.
BUT WITH REGARD TO THE, TO THE FACADE, THE FRONT FACADE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF ROOM TO JUST FROM A, FROM A CORPORATE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, BRAND STANDPOINT.
AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IN THE NOTE IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT COMPLIMENTS THE AREA, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
UM, WHEN, WHEN THAT, WHEN WE, I WERE LOOKING AT THE DESIGN OF THAT, HOW TO STORE THAT IS A LOT OF GLASS ON, ON THE FRONT FACADE.
AND TO ME, I DIDN'T, FROM A BALANCE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S FELT LIKE WE'RE IN THE SAME BALLPARK WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING.
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WE'RE, AND I RESPECT IT, BUT I, I WOULD SAY, AS I DID JUST NUMERICALLY, I BELIEVE THE AUDI IS ABOUT 60% NON GLAZED AND 40% GLAZED.SO THAT'S, THAT'S TWICE AS MUCH.
'CAUSE THEY'VE GOT ALL, THEY'VE GOT ALL THE, WHATEVER THE OTHER MATERIAL IS ON THE LEFT AND ACROSS THE TOP OF IT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF IT.
WHEREAS THIS ONE IS ALL GLASS ALL ACROSS THE FRONT.
UM, AND IT'S MORE PANELS, YOU KNOW, MORE SECTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IN TERMS OF TOTAL LENGTH, BUT IT'S A LOT OF BLAST ALL IN ONE BIG PLANE.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT, WHEN WE LOOKED AT, UM, NATALIE AND TOMMY'S AND STAFF WAS WORKING WITH THEM, THE APPROACH WAS TAKEN TO MITIGATE THE STREET BEHOLD.
AND PART OF THAT WAS DONE WITH THE MITIGATION OF THE PROGRAM AND THE ELEVATION WAS THERE AND PART OF THAT WAS DONE INTRODUCING THE SEATING WALLS AND THE LANDSCAPING.
UH, YOU STILL SEE ABOVE THEM, AROUND THEM AND THROUGH THEM TO SOME DEGREE.
BUT IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK HERE, AND WE'RE NOT TAKING KIND OF A FIREHOUSE, TOMMY'S BRICK, BRICK BUILDING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMPLETELY GLASS PRODUCT.
AND SO MY INTEREST WOULD BE REDUCING THE GLASS, UH, THIS IS CENTERVILLE AND NOT A CORPORATE FOOT LOCATION.
AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT MOVEMENT WILL BE MADE THERE AND ALSO WHAT WILL BE DOWN AT THE STREET LEVEL AND AT THE, AT THE EDGE OF THE TOP OF THE BURN.
AGAIN, REALIZING THAT YOU HAVE A DOUBLE HEIGHT CEILING.
SO I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SECOND FLOOR, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF THAT ANYWAY, JUST NOT THE, NOT THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE AND THE DRIVER'S SCALE REALLY.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST KIND OF CHARACTER TREATMENT THAT I WOULD'VE IS YEAH, THE SAME CONCERN WITH THAT.
AND YOU COMBINE THAT WITH THE FACT THAT THERE'S THE PARKING IN THE FRONT, WHICH LIMITS HOW MUCH YOU CAN BUFFER THE VIEW.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, UM, THE BAYS ALSO AT THE FRONT, WHICH I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS DO, BUT LIKE VALVOLINE AND CAR WASH, I MEAN, THEIR BUSINESS IS GETTING CARS THROUGH THEIR BUSINESS INTO THE BUILDING.
UM, IT'S THEIR PRIMARY PURPOSE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF ORANGES AND APPLES, IF YOU WILL.
UM, WHEREAS THE BAYS AND THE CAR DEALERSHIP, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THE MAIN THING.
I'D SAY IT'S EQUALLY SERVICE AS IT IS, AS IT IS SELLING THE VEHICLES.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY.
AND I THINK THE TOP TOPOGRAPHY, UM, MARRIES WELL WITH HOW FAR WE'RE SET BACK AND THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE'RE ABOVE STREET LEVEL AND THE TREES AND THE LANDSCAPE WE'RE GONNA PUT IN FRONT WITH THE, I THINK WE'RE, WE MADE A SUGGESTION.
BUFORD HOLLYS, UH, IS THAT RIGHT? THE BUFORD COURSE.
AND UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SET IN THERE AS A MINIMUM OF THREE FOOT TALL, UH, ALONG WITH SOME SIX AND EIGHT FOOT TREES IN FRONT OF IT THAT THEY'LL HELP BUFFER IN SHAPES OF THAT VIEW.
I LIKE THAT THE BAYS ARE AT LEAST SENT BACK THAT, THAT'S A GOOD STEP.
UM, I THINK IT'S KIND OF THE COMBINATION OF THE MASSIVE GLASS FRONT AND THE BAYS AND THE PARKING.
IT, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY, NOW I'M LOOKING AT IT, YOUR COMMENTS HERE, THERE'S PROBABLY A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
BUT I THINK STILL WORK WITH, SO EVEN ON THIS IMAGE, IF WE WERE TO TAKE THIS BLUE LINE OR THIS BLUE LINE AND PULL IT DOWN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT DIMENSION IS, BUT IT PULLS IT DOWN.
MAYBE IT'S PULLING IT DOWN TO EVEN THIS LINE RIGHT HERE, SO THAT YOU HAVE A BIT MORE OF A FOREHEAD OF THE BUILDING, A LITTLE BIT MORE WALL, SO TO SPEAK, AND LOWER THE HEIGHT OF THE GLASS.
THAT WOULD BE THE, THE WAY WE WOULD ATTACK THAT IS LOWERING THAT GLUE TO AN APPROPRIATE LEVEL AND HAVING SOLID WALL.
SO YOU HAVE SOME OTHER FACADE THERE ABOVE THE GLASS.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS RIGHT, RIGHT WHERE, RIGHT WHERE THE BACK OF THAT BLUE IS RIGHT THERE, THAT WOULD BEGIN A WALL, BASICALLY LIKE WHAT THIS IS RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS WALL WOULD WRAP AROUND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND YOU WOULD LOWER THE BLUE DOWN UNDERNEATH OF THAT.
THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF A PLAY THAT WE CAN MASSAGE THAT A LITTLE BIT TO, TO SEE IF THAT WOULD PRODUCE IT.
AND MAYBE EVEN ON THE SIDEWALLS WHERE THE GLASS IS RETURNING, UM, LOOKING AT PRODUCING THAT AS WELL.
BUT I, I THINK THAT THE KEY THING THAT OF THE LOOK IS THE OPENNESS AND THAT ELEMENT THAT, THAT ACCENT BLUE ELEMENT AND HAVING TRANSPARENCY AND OPENNESS IN THE
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SHOWROOM FROM BELOW THAT LINE.I, I DON'T, WELL, I, I KNOW THAT'S WAS ALL, WELL, I KNOW OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHAT IT'S DOING, BUT I THINK, BUT THAT KIND OF REFLECTS WITH WHAT WE'RE AFTER, WHICH IS THE CHARACTER.
WOULD YOU MIND IF, I THINK, IS IT OKAY IF I ASK THE BIG QUESTION ADVOCATE? UM, WELL, I, BECAUSE ONE OF THE, LOOKING BACK AT THE APPROVAL PART OF THAT WAS TO TRY TO, THE REASON IS SHAPE AND SORT OF DRAFT WELL IS TO LIMIT THE GLASS MATERIAL IN THE SIDE, BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE THEY TALK THAT IN REFERENCES.
THE, FOR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THAT ALLEY IS PARTICULAR FOR THAT IS THERE SOME, UM, ADDITIONAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO POTENTIALLY FOR IF YOU'RE A CLIENT THAT WOULD MINIMIZE THE GLASS BUT STILL KIND OF GET THE PRESENCE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, SO I, I DIDN'T KNOW PART, UM, THAT CASE DID HAVE SPECIFIC PERCENTAGES ABOUT DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND USED IN PARTS OF THE BUILDING.
UM, JUST 'CAUSE IT STARTED OFF WITH GLASS AS LOCKED.
UM, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN ELEMENT THAT MAY BE VISIBLE.
I MEAN THE, THE GLASS IS BROKEN UP WITH THIS.
UM, THAT'S THE SPRAY APPLIED CONCRETE, SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE, BUT THERE ARE SOME COLUMNS IN THERE THAT BREAK THAT UP.
SO THERE'S THESE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX VERTICAL DARKER ELEMENTS THAT BREAK THE GLASS UP.
UM, I MEAN IT'S POSSIBLE WE COULD LOOK AT MAYBE WIDENING THOSE A BIT.
UH, 'CAUSE THOSE ACT AS ALMOST COLUMNS EXHIBIT AND THE WAY THAT RENDERING'S LOOKING FROM HERE, I CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT FEELS LIKE IT'S JUST ALL GLASS.
UM, SO I THINK WE COULD CLARIFY THAT A BIT MORE.
UM, BUT, OR YOU DESCRIBING IT AS A DARK BLACK, WHAT COLOR ARE YOU DESCRIBING? IT? IT'S THIS THING RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS LIKE, UM, IT'S LIKE A DARK GRAY.
IT'S A DARK GRAY ACCENT MATERIAL.
THE GLASS MOSS ARE GONNA BE A BLACK MUL AS WELL.
SO IT'S LIKE A THICKER ELEMENT IN THERE.
AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE, ARE THESE PIECES YEP.
SAW STILL'S NOT ENOUGH TO COMFORTABLE WITH THE AMOUNT OF GLASS ON THE, DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT WIDE? I'M JUST LOOKING AT HOW, WHY THE BUILDING IS AND HOW SMALL THE SPACE APPEARS TO BE AROUND IT.
PARTICULARLY ON THE EAST SIDE.
THANK GOODNESS I DON'T LIVE IN THOSE TOWNS, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE THERE'S NO BUFFER THERE.
I'M JUST LIKE, I MEAN, I DUNNO, I DUNNO HOW BIG THE SHOWROOM IS OR JUST, DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT BIG? DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT MUCH GLASS ON THE TOP? WE'RE RESTRICTED.
UH, I KNOW ONE OF OUR DRAWINGS IS THE FLOOR PLANS.
WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT THE PLAN LOOKS LIKE, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE HONDA IS TO HAVE, UM, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CAPACITY IN THE SHOWROOM.
UM, SO THERE'S, I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE OR SIX CARS THAT ARE LINED UP INSIDE THE SHOWROOM THAT FACE DIRECTLY OUT.
THAT'S A MINIMUM THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE.
UM, SO THAT DIMENSION KIND OF DRIVES HOW WIDE THE BUILDING CAN BE.
SO I DON'T THINK THE THE WIDTH WOULD CHANGE.
UM, I, I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S SOME MISOGYNY.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M EXPLAINING IT WELL ENOUGH RIGHT NOW.
PAINT THE PICTURE FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, NO, I THINK, I THINK WE GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IT IT NEEDS SOME MASSAGE.
WE REALLY, YEAH, YOU DRAW THAT DOWN AND I, IF IT'S ABOUT 10 FOOT BAND TO MEASURE DOWN, BUT WIDEN THOSE SEPARATION COLUMNS A LITTLE BIT TO REALLY BRING SOME OF THE DENSITY, THE GLASS OUT OR MAYBE SOME SOMETHING.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE DECREASE GLASS ON THE FRONT.
UM, TAKE SOMETHING SOMEWHAT LIKE A RAIN SCREEN, BUT THEN, THEN LU EVEN SORT OF LIKE IMPLIED LU, INSTEAD OF BEING, UM, A FLAT PROJECTOR PROJECTION OUT TO WHERE, AS YOU SAID, KIND OF THE HEAD OR FOREHEAD DOWN, UM, I THINK IT BEGAN TO MAKE THAT EVER TURN DOWN.
THEN THAT BEGINS TO OBSCURE SOME OF THAT.
AND THAT'S, AGAIN, THE AUDI LOOK AT IT FROM THE OTHER END.
YOU SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE GLASS END LIKE NO RESPECT, BUT IF YOU TAKE IT FROM THE OTHER END, YOU SEE MORE WALL.
AND I THINK THAT IF THIS IS RETURNED, YOU GET A LITTLE MORE COVERAGE OF THE GLASS AREA.
YOU STILL HAVE A GLASS AND YOU STILL HAVE A LU THAT ALLOWS THE PASSAGE LIGHT TO GO INTO THE SHOWROOM AREA.
BUT THERE WHETHER THE FINS OR THIS, YOU
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KNOW, THIS KIND OF ORIENTATION, YOU DO GET SOME COVERAGE.AGAIN, YOU KIND OF TAKE RAIN SCREENING APPROACH OF SOME KIND OF A, A WALL.
IT'S NOT A WALL IN FRONT OF YOUR GLASS.
UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT TO BEGIN TO ACHIEVE THIS IDEA OF RETAINING SOME GLASS BEEPING UP THE THICKNESS OF THOSE MEDIA COLUMNS.
BUT THAT BEGINS TO MAKE THE GLASS RECEDE VISUALLY TO NOT BEING THE PREDOMINANT MATERIAL.
IT MAY STILL BE THE PREDOMINANT MATERIAL OR VERY CLOSE TO 51%, BUT IT TAKES IT DOWN VISUALLY.
UM, EVEN TOMMY'S CARWASH, WHICH IS A LOT OF GLASS, PL GLASS, UM, ALSO HAS A LOT OF OTHER ELEMENTS.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ASK TO YOU TO BRING BACK SOME ALTERNATIVES.
I WOULDN'T SAY JUST ONE, BUT SOME ALTERNATIVES THAT SHOW A REDUCTION IN THE BLAZING TO MATERIALS THAT ARE OTHERWISE ALLOWED IN THE DISTRICT.
UM, ANY OTHER, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, THAT PLEASE? CHARACTER? YEAH.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR BULLET POINTS PLEASE? WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THIS IS GONNA GET TO ONE OF YOUR OTHERS IN YOUR, UH, YOUR POINTS ABOUT THE UNIFIED CHARACTER AND THE UNIFIED APPEARANCE.
UM, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT WINDOWS ON THE EAST SIDE, ALTHOUGH WE COULD CERTAINLY CREATE SOME FALSE WINDOWS THAT, THAT MIGHT RELIEVE THAT SIDE.
UM, BUT I'M NOT VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WINDOWS ON THE SIDE.
AGAIN, MAYBE SOME WINDOWS, I DUNNO WHAT THEY'RE FOR BECAUSE IT'S NOT A FALSE WINDOW.
IT'S JUST A, JUST A A I MEAN, YOU COULD CREATE, I GUESS YOU CREATE SOME NICHES OR, UH, SOME BLINDS THAT ARE IN THERE THAT, THAT GIVE SOME RELIEF TO THOSE CONCRETE PANELS.
SO YOU PUT SOME VARIETY OF, UH, TEXTURES ON THAT SIDE WALL ON THE EAST.
I'M CONCERNED THAT BETWEEN THE BAYS AND WHAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, THAT, THAT, THAT RENDERING, WHICH WE ACTUALLY DON'T SEE VERY MUCH OF IN ANY OF THESE VIEWS, IS THE VIEW THAT PEOPLE SEE GOLAND.
IT'S THE LAST THING THEY SEE IS THEY LEAVE CENTERVILLE AND THEY'RE INTO THE GREATER SHO PUMP, UH, AREA.
AND, YOU KNOW, COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY, IT'S GATEWAY AND LEAVING COMMUNITY GATEWAY, IT SAYS, THANK YOU FOR VISITING HUGE ONE.
AND IF THE LAST THING WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS KIND OF UP A, A BIG BLANK WALL BEHIND THE BAY, UH, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A LITTLE MORE, UH, ARTICULATION ON THIS.
WHERE IS SO HERE AND HERE AND THEN TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS BEGINS TO BE VISIBLE FROM BROAD STREET ROAD, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PRETTY UNRELIEVED.
I KNOW THAT IT WILL BE, BUT YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT A RENDERING WALL WITH THE TREES.
AND THAT'S ABOUT 300 FEET BACK FROM THE ROAD AT THAT POINT, FROM THAT ACCESS DRIVE.
AND WHAT'S THE ELEVATION AT THIS POINT? 28 FEET, 20 FEET, 20, 28 FEET TO THE TOP OF THE DECK.
AND THE TOP OF THE ROOF, THE, THE MAIN SHOWROOM IS ONLY 30 FEET.
AND YOU'VE DONE THIS IN SKETCHUP OR ANOTHER TYPE OF RENDERING? IF WE COULD SEE THAT VIEW? THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PACKET LIKE THAT.
SO JUST THE VIEW FROM THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST, SOUTH SOUTHEAST.
WE DIDN'T HAVE IT IN THE PACKET.
NO, I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT BECAUSE IF THAT COULD BE RULED OUT, THEN IT'S AN ISSUE.
SO FOR BOTH SIDES, YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE MONOTONY, LIKE KIND OF JUST BREAKING UP THE CORRECT, CORRECT, CORRECT.
AND ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE, I'M MORE CONCERNED, I, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IT FROM BROAD STREET ROAD THAN I'M FROM THE NEIGHBOR BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A NEIGHBOR WHO'S PRACTICALLY UNDEVELOPABLE.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO THE BACK, THEN, THEN, THEN WE, UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT UN I WANNA TALK ABOUT UNIFIED CHARACTER AND I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT A UNIFIED CHARACTER OF DESIGN.
AND, AND MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS GONNA BE, UM, WINDOWS.
SO AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, UH, ON THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION ON THIS ELEVATION, UM, THERE ARE AREAS OF OPEN WALL AND THERE THERE'S NO SCREENING.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO VENEER WALL, THERE'S NO, NO, I KNOW YOU HAVE A GRILL OR A WIRE MESH AT SOME POINT.
UM, BUT I WOULD WANT TO SEE THOSE MORE UNIFIED.
AND I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT WITH PRECAST
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PANELS.WITH A
UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL PARKING DECK, UM, KIND OF ENHANCEMENTS OF A LIVING WALL OR AGAIN, SOME SORT OF A WALL WITH A, WITH A, A MATERIAL THERE INSTEAD OF JUST
THERE'S ALSO THIS HOUSE, I MEAN, THERE ARE VIEWS FROM THOSE TOWN HOMES, ESPECIALLY AS YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTH INTO THAT BUILDING.
RESPECTFULLY, WHEN THEY LOOK TOO WEST, THEY DON'T SEE IT VERY MUCH, BUT WHEN THEY LOOK JUST IMMEDIATELY OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEY'RE GONNA SEE IT.
WELL, THE OTHER HOMES ARE GONNA SEE THE SIDE OF THE WALL.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE PRECAST CONCRETE, WHICH IS GONNA BE KIND OF A MONOLITHIC WHITE WALL IN FRONT OF THE, I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING THE, UH, PERCENTAGE OF OPENNESS OF THE BUILDING, UM, FOR VEHICLES BEING PARKED IN THERE.
AND S AND THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D BE OPEN TO, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING WHATEVER SCREEN MAYBE COME TO CONCLUSION ON IT.
WE'RE SHOWING THE WEST SIDE CONTINUING ALONG THAT BACK SOUTH SIDE POSSIBILITY.
YEAH, I WOULD, I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE RAC MATERIAL, BUT YEAH, I, I CERTAINLY WOULD.
I, THERE ARE MANY EXCELLENT PARKING GARAGE ENHANCEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT WITH THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS THAT ALLOW SOME SCREENING, WHETHER THAT'S JUST UP TO A THREE OR FOUR FOOT KNEE WALL TYPE LEVEL OR FULLY WIRED OR SOME VERSION OF A PLANTED AREA.
PEOPLE ARE, DO THAT IN GREAT SUCCESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT AN OPEN SECTION THE BACK OF THE WALL.
PARTICULARLY FOR THE, THE TOWN PARK FIELD.
BACKSIDE ON THE EAST ELEVATION.
UM, I, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY WITH THE WHITE WALL EITHER.
I DUNNO IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO BE DONE ABOUT THAT, OF WHICH THERE ISN'T.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT THE GLASS AND THEN YOU'VE GOT WHITE.
SO IT'S NOT CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY AROUND, WHICH DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE, BUT IT'S HELPFUL IF THEY ARE.
YOU CAN BE CONSISTENT WITH KIND OF THE CHARACTER OF IT FROM ALL ANGLES, WHICH IT REALLY ISN'T RIGHT NOW.
CONSTRUCTABILITY WISE, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON HERE.
SO ONE OF THEM IS A PRECAST STRUCTURE, WHICH IS REALLY THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND THEN THE OTHER HALF OF THAT FORWARD TO THE SHOWROOM IS A CONVENTIONAL STEEL, UM, CONSTRUCTION SYSTEM.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE ARE WAYS TO LET THEM COME CORRECTLY.
UM, BUT CAN YOU, CAN YOU ELABORATE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ON YOUR LAST POINT YOU JUST MADE? WELL, I, I'M JUST, I MEAN I'VE, I'VE, I'VE LOOKED AT, AT THE SITE WHERE THE TOWN HALLS ARE, AND OBVIOUSLY THE DRAWINGS OF HOW CLOSE IT'S GOING TO BE TO THOSE TOWN HOMES, UM, WITHOUT, THERE REALLY ISN'T ROOM FOR TREES AND SHRUBS AND STUFF TO BUFFER IT.
UM, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A LESS THAN IDEAL VIEW FOR THEM, WHICH IS OKAY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE LUCKY IF WE GET TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, BUT OUR MAIN CONCERN IS THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF IT, WHICH THE PRECAST CONCRETE DOESN'T REALLY FIT IN WITH THE SMALL TOWN CHARACTER.
THE AUDI'S GOT PRECAST CONCRETE WALLS AROUND THEIR BUILDING.
I MEAN, IF THOSE ARE CONCRETE, THERE'S TEXTURE TO YEAH, THEY'VE GOT SOME TEXTURE.
WE'VE GOT SOME REVEALS CUT IN THE SIDE OF THE BAR, CREATE SOME, SOME LOOKS, SOME CHARACTER.
BUT IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT AUDI USE ON THERE THOUGH.
THEY, THEY HAVE A FLUTED, UM, CONCRETE PANEL.
SO THERE'S DIFFERENT EFFECTS THAT THE GLIDER.
IF THERE BES IN THAT, UM, OR YEAH, THAT JUST, THAT, THAT HAS A LOT OF DEPTH AND TEXTURE TO IT SO IT DOESN'T LOOK AS MONOLITHIC.
THAT'S A METAL, THAT'S A METAL SITE THAT'S ON TOP OF THAT.
IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE BACKSIDE.
SO THE BACKSIDE WHERE THE SERVICE IS AT IS ALL PRECAST CONCRETE WALLS.
AND, BUT IT'S GRAY TO MATCH THE FRONT TO AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME FLEXIBILITY AND YOU DON'T WANT THE TO GO TO A GRAY, THAT'S AN OPTION.
MAYBE SOMETHING MORE OF AN EARTH TONE AS OPPOSED TO GLARING LIGHT.
YEAH, LIKE
THEY EVENTUALLY CAME BACK AND MODIFIED THAT FOR THE LANDSCAPE.
A DATA LANDSCAPE, GREEN WALL POTENTIAL POTENTIAL SESSION.
TO CHANGE FROM THE WHITE TO MAYBE MORE OF A GRAY OR GRAY OR SOMETHING COULD BE WARMED UP A LITTLE WARMED UP AS WELL.
AND THE BAY DOORS, WHAT WILL THOSE LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED? SO WE SEE IN THE PICTURES OF THE AUDI, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE.
BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT REALLY SHOWS.
THEY LOOK JUST LIKE THOSE VERY SIMILAR, THEY'LL PROBABLY VERY SIMILAR.
THAT'S PRETTY DOORS ALREADY HAVE A SIMILAR, THEY
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HAVE A NINE INCH TALL GLASS.THOSE ARE HIGH SPEED DOORS AND YOU ROLL UP THE DOOR SITS UP.
I'M SORRY, I MISSED WHAT YOU SAID.
I GUESS ABOUT, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL COLOR ALTERATION OR SOMETHING, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? WARM UP OR ALONG THE SIDES? YEAH.
I MEAN, LET'S SEE SOME OPTIONS RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A, A VERY DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE OPEN WALL PLUS THE, YOU KNOW, GOT THE FREE CAST AND THEN THE METAL SCREENS AND THEN OPEN SECTION.
THOSE ARE THREE DIFFERENT, THREE DIFFERENT CHARACTERS GOING ON.
UM, I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S A SAND LIKE A BE SAND OR A LIGHT GRAY OR WHATEVER, I WOULD BE FAIRLY, I WOULDN'T WANNA SPECIFY.
WE'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE THAT.
I THINK THE, AS FAR AS THE ROOF, UM, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.
I'M NOT SUPER CONCERNED WITH IT BECAUSE I KNOW FLAT ROOFS ARE QUITE COMMON IN THIS KIND OF A BUILDING.
AND IT, FROM WHAT I READ, THINGS ARE SCREENED YES.
IN TERMS OF THE UTILITIES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE STAIRS, THE BACK, AND I GUESS THIS IS SORT OF THE OUTDOOR AREA.
I MEAN MY ONLY COMMENT ON THE ROOF IS THAT MANY OF THE BUILDINGS IN CENTERVILLE THROUGH WEST WESTERN SHORE BUMP, UH, SOME ARE VERY HIGH STYLE LIKE THE HOSPITAL BUILDING DOWN THE ROAD.
SOME LIKE THE ALDI AND THE CVS ARE SOMEWHAT TRADITIONAL IN, THEY'RE BUILDING MATERIALS WITH, UH, SIMULATED STONE BRICK CORNICE.
UM, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THOSE HAVE PICTURE ROOTS.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT SORT OF FRONT FACING WORD SYSTEM, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CREATE A CORNES, UH, YOU'VE GOT KIND OF A RACEWAY GOING ON WITH THAT BLUE HEADER.
UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ON AESTHETIC THAT IS MORE, UM, CREATES A CAP OR A CORNES TO THAT UPPER WALL SO IT'S NOT JUST A FLAT RUN FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP.
AGAIN, I WOULDN'T PRESCRIBE IT, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING SOMETHING THAT MATCHES WITH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO ON THE FRONT FACADE AS IT WORKS ITS WAY AROUND.
YOU HAVE A MODERN STYLE HERE, SO IT'S DENNIS AND A MODERN STYLE, NOT JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR AND YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE, I KNOW THIS, YOU'RE OUT THERE, BUT, UM, WE, I KNOW OR SORT OF TOUCH WHERE THOSE ERS ARE IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, MOVING THOSE DOWN, THE FOREHEAD THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WOULD BE A PRECAST PANEL.
WELL, THAT'S A WHITE ACM PANEL RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHAT'S FLANKING OUT BEYOND THE BLUE TO THE RIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S WHITE METAL PANEL.
SO THAT WHITE ACM PANEL IS OFFICIALLY WOULD WRAPPED ACROSS THE FRONT.
THAT'S THE FOREHEAD SOLID AS A HEADER AND THAT YES.
AND THAT WOULD JUST DROP DOWN THAT WHATEVER THAT, YOU KNOW, DISTANCE FEELS LIKE COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, ACROSS, PLAY AROUND A LITTLE BIT THAT DOWN.
AND THAT WOULD CREATE, YOU KNOW, NOT SAYING CORN, BUT CREATE THAT PEER ACROSS THE TOP OF THAT, ALL AROUND THE THREE SIDES.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE LOOKED AT TOMMY'S AS, UH, SOMETHING HAD TO BE ESSENTIALLY MITIGATED, RIGHT? SO THERE, THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN THE FRONT FACADE ALL, SO WE ENDED UP WITH A TREATMENT ALONG THE ROADSIDE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO
SO WE MAY GET TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS A LOT OF THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND CHARACTER, BUT REALLY WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA SAY EITHER A BI OR SOME LOW WALL MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
AND WE DO HAVE AN INTERESTING CHARACTER WITH THAT LOW WALL THAT'S OUT THERE.
IT STARTS TO, IT STARTS TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE COMING IN HORSE COUNTRY AND THAT YOU'RE IN THE COUNTRYSIDE EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE HERE.
AND SO THERE IS, THERE IS SORT OF HAPPEN.
WHAT ABOUT THE PARKING? I THINK THAT WAS SO, SO I ASSUME WE PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSED THAT, THE COLOR POTENTIAL, THE BESIDES MATERIALS.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE ADDRESSED EACH OF THOSE.
UM, WE, WE JUST THAT, UM, PARKING,
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SO I GUESS IN, UM, RAY IN YOUR RIGHT UP THE, UM, THERE'S THE ADDITIONAL PARKING OVER ON THE SIDE, NOT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.IS NOT BEHIND THE BUILDING CLOSER THAN THE FRONT FACADE SETBACK.
AND THEN I GUESS YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT MAKING THAT ONLY BE CUSTOMER PARKING AS OPPOSED TO VEHICLE DISPLAY, BUT IT WOULD STILL PLAN TO BE PARKING.
SO THEY WOULDN'T BE PARKING IN THE PARKING? NO, IT'S MOSTLY FOR INVENTORY.
PRIMARILY THROUGH THROW AND I THERE, BUT, UM, I'VE SEEN SOME REALLY WELL DONE, COVERED PARKING WITH SOLAR PANELS AND IT'S PART OF AN LIP STRATEGY.
AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED IF YOU WOULD ASK, CONDUCT YOUR CLIENT TO ESSENTIALLY IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD CONSIDER A STRUCTURAL ELEMENT INTO THE AREA BEYOND THE SECOND ROW PARKING THAT CREATES THE NON PERFORMANCE OF THE CODE.
SO ESSENTIALLY COVERED PARKING HERE, IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE STRUCTURES AT A TIME OR HOWEVER IT'S DONE.
UM, I'VE SEEN IT IN SUNNY PLACES ALL OVER THE PLACE AND I'VE SEEN IT IN THE MOUNTAINS A LOT.
YOU GET, YOU GET A STRUCTURAL ELEMENT THERE.
SO WHAT I'LL ASK YOU TO DO IS GET SERVICE PARKING THAT YOU INTRODUCE A STRUCTURAL ALMOND WHERE IT'S NOT JUST A FIELD OF PARKING.
SO JUST ANY TYPE OF COVERED PARKING THERE, SOLAR PANELS ON TOP, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT.
THAT'S, IT'S HONESTLY, IT'S THE WAY OF THE FUTURE.
IT'S A, IT'S A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE TO DO THAT ON MANY STORAGE FACILITIES BECAUSE IT'S ESSENTIALLY, IT'S PRIME REAL ESTATE JUST USING IT.
UM, BUT WHETHER IT HAS A SOLAR PANEL OR NOT, IT HAS SOME ARCHITECTURAL ARCHITECTURAL CHARGERS THERE FOR THE CUSTOMERS HAVE TO CHARGE BOTH
AND AGAIN, I WOULD BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE YOU CAN GET TO A 50% GOAL IF THAT PARKING STRUCTURE IS MORE THE BACK, WELL THAT WOULD BE FOR DISPLAY MODELS, CUSTOMERS PARKING AT THE FRONT, PRESUMING THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A BANK OF CARS AT THE VERY FRONT.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, JUST AN OPINION.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE REALITY OF IT IS USUALLY THE CARS THAT A CAR DEALERSHIP THAT ARE NEW AND FOR SALE ARE NICER THAN THE CARS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM THE CUSTOMERS THAT REPRESENT A RANGE OF MODELS.
'CAUSE THERE'S JUST A, THERE'S A MORE CONSISTENT THEME IN THE NEWER CARS THAN THERE IS IN 20 YEARS WORTH OF CARS BEING SERVICED.
SO HAVING CUSTOMER PARKING ALONG THE FRONT, I DON'T, IS NECESSARILY AN ENHANCED AESTHETIC.
SO, BUT TO COMPLY WITH THE, THE STANDARDS OF THE CODE, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT SOMETHING STRUCTURAL BEYOND YOUR SECOND VOTE.
I'M NOT REALLY FOLLOWING THIS DISCUSSION.
SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE CODE.
FORGIVE THE LAWYER FOR HAVING TO ARGUE THAT OR ANYTHING.
UM, I DON'T SEE THERE BEING A PROHIBITION OF THE DOUBLE ROAD PARKING WHERE THE, THE ORDINANCE READS, UM, THAT THE, UM, GOAL IS TO BREAK UP PARKING AREAS WITHIN DEVELOPMENT BY BUILDING ONE OR MORE OF THE CONCEPTS.
SO ONE OF THE THREE THINGS THAT THEY, THEY HIGHLIGHT HERE IS NO MORE THAN THE DOUBLE ROAD PARKING THE STREET.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE INTERPRETED THIS, WE HAVE MORE THAN THE DOUBLE ROW ALONG THE STREET FRONT JUST FINE.
BUT YOU KNOW, NUMBER TWO SAYS DISTRIBUTE PARKING AREA, ALL SIDES FRONT, REAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON JUST WAY THE CODE IS, IS, UM, IS WRITTEN HERE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THIS CASE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TRIED TO DISTRIBUTE THE PARKING, WE JUST DON'T HAVE A SEAT OF PARKING IN FRONT OR IN BACK.
WE HAVE SOME PARKING IN THE FRONT.
WE HAVE SOME PARKING ON THE SIDE, WE HAVE SOME PARKING IN THE REAR.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH FLEXIBILITY.
WE CAN'T RECONFIGURE THE PARKING 'CAUSE OF THE WAY THE SITE IS LAID OUT IN ORDER TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COUNTY HAS.
UM, THERE JUST ISN'T ANY OTHER WAY TO CONFIGURE THE PARKING.
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I'M, I'M NOT REALLY SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO NEED HERE BECAUSE THE, THE DOUBLE ROAD PARKING IS NOT NECESSARILY EXPRESS PROHIBITION.UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, SO THIS IS A, UM, 41,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, RIGHT? IS IT MEETING THE MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS OR EXCEEDING THE PARKING STANDARDS? IT'S SLIGHTLY OVERHEAD.
WE HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN YOU SAY HOW'S CALCULATED BETWEEN INVENTORY CUSTOMERS? SO INVENTORY, NO, IT'S NOT INVENTORY.
INVENTORY THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INVENTORY.
IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH REQUIRED PARKING AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE SERVICE.
BETWEEN THAT AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE, UM, STANDARD PARKING FOR THE DONNA DEALERSHIP GIVING UP SERVICE, CORRECT.
UM, THEN LOT LOOK, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE IT SETTLED OUT.
UM, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT OF COURSE I THINK THERE'S A CONDITION WILL DOUBLE CHECKING OF COURSE TIME THE BALANCE WORKS OUT FOR SERVICE AND, UM, AND CUSTOMER WORK.
UM, PART OF THAT AS A REMINDER THEY DID PROPER THAT NOTHING, ALL THIS THIS WAY WOULD BE CUSTOMER AVAILABILITY.
SO THE DISPLAY IS LIMITED REALLY BACK TO THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHATEVER WE HAVE IN THE, THE PARKING DECK.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE MITIGATION FACTOR, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, STAFFS RECOMMENDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING OR HIGHER LANDSCAPING UP THERE.
IT'S REALLY TO PLAY OFF OF THAT.
UM, PART OF THAT REALLY IS YOU, YOU REALLY DON'T WANT, LET'S SEE IF HEADLIGHTS AND YOU DON'T WANT A MASSIVE PARKING, THAT IS WHAT THE ANTENNA PROPER IS.
I THINK, I THINK THE NATURAL SCREEN OF THE LANDSCAPING IS NO.
WHICH IF YOU LOOK, WE DO HAVE A HEDGING ALL THE WAY ALONG THERE ACROSS TREES.
AND, AND I GUESS THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THE, THE PARKING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SORT OF LOOKED AT, UM, ADDRESSING THIS THROUGH LANDSCAPING.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU ALL WANT TO SEE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE AND WE'RE APT TO LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT RECONFIGURING THE PARKING, TRYING TO DO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ASKED TO PROFFER THE CONCEPT, SO WE START REDOING THE SITE WE GOTTA GO BACK THROUGH.
I MEAN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT.
UM, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO SORT OF ADDRESS THIS IN OTHER WAYS.
UM, MAYBE THE WAY, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER FOLKS HAVE DOING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
SO IF YOU WERE TO PROPOSE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING WOULD BE ALONG ROAD FRONTAGE OR WOULD IT BE INTERNAL AND HAVE YOU WORKED THROUGH THAT? UM, I MEAN IT'S OVER FOR DISCUSSION, RIGHT.
I, I THINK THE LETTER OF LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS IS BY THE, YOU DO THE FORMULA.
WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 1,620 SQUARE FEET RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE ALREADY PROVIDING 4,350 SQUARE FEET OF THE LANDSCAPE AREA AROUND THIS FACILITY.
SO IF YOU WANT US TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL, IT'S OVER FOR DISCUSSION, UM, ON WHAT MAKES SENSE TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
RAY, DIDN'T YOU HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT? WE, WE, UH, WE'VE TALKED, UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT IS REALLY HERE'S THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
SO EACH OF THESE ISLANDS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE TREE ISLANDS.
UM, THERE IS THE PERIMETER, SO THERE'S DIFFERENT LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE CODE FOR THIS IS THE TYPICAL CENTERVILLE BUFFER, WHICH REALLY IS A, IT'S A PRETTY DE MINIS BUFFER, UM, FOR THAT, UM, PART OF THE DISCUSSION, UM, AS A, A MITIGATING FACTOR, LIKE I SAID, WAS TO, TO REALLY TRY TO RAISE UP THE SHRUBBERY SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND GROWING AND IT BE MAINTAINED AT A HIGHER HEIGHT THAN WHAT IT WAS INITIAL, UM, PROPOSED.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD HELP MITIGATE SORT OF IMPACT OF THE PROPER THAT ALONG WITH THE ELEVATION FOR THAT.
SO THAT WAS REALLY, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AT ONE POINT TO AT LEAST ADDRESS THE DIFFERENT SPECIES AND SOMETHING THAT GOES TALLER.
UM, YOU KNOW, BARBARA HOLLY WAS ONE THAT WAS THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT.
THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE, UM, FOR THAT TO DO THAT.
AND POTENTIALLY AS YOU NOTICE, AS YOU KNOW, AS YOU MENTIONED MR. GILLESPIE, THIS IS AN AREA THAT IS GONNA BE GRADED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF DEPTH FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE BUFFER WITH THE STANDARD TREES AND THE THINGS WE LIKE, SO
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THAT WE SAW THE HEDGE OPPORTUNITY AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UM, SERVE AS A MITIGATING FACTOR.UM, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THIS AS SOMETHING, AS A CODE PROVISION THAT WE HAD TO ADDRESS.
AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY DOESN'T REALLY HAVE AN ODD OPPORTUNITY FOR MARKING WORK.
WE'VE ALSO ADDRESSED THAT, THAT CORNER OF AS YOU'RE COMING IN THAT NORTHEAST CORNER AS WELL, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
BUT I THINK WE'VE SEEN OTHER CONDITIONS IN PARTICULAR FOR THE DAYS.
UM, THE PARKING'S BEEN A DIFFERENT STORY, BUT WE'RE TAKING FOR THE DAYS SINCE WE'VE HAD
UM, YOU KNOW, ONLY, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION FOR BOTH, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY AREA THAT'S OF A CONCERN FOR THE WALL IS TO PICK UP IN THIS CORNER.
BUT MOST OF THE, THE UNIT VEGETATION AND THINGS ARE UP HERE REALLY AT THE PERIMETER, RIGHT.
WHERE THE CUSTOMER PARKING, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PUT A WALL OVER RUBY ACROSS THE EASEMENT.
THEY LET YOU DO THE SHRUBS AND STUFF WALL.
SO MAYBE ON SOME OF THOSE RADIUSES THOUGH, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME WALLS IN THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PUT IT FRONT OR BEHIND THE THREE OR FOUR FOOT HEDGING, IT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
I THINK MOST OF THOSE WALLS ARE NOT TWO, THREE FEET TALL.
THAT'S WHICH IS ABOUT ACTUALLY LOWER MAYBE THAN OUR HEDGES.
SO MAYBE WE CAN INTRODUCE SOMETHING SAW IN FRONT OR ON SOME OF THE CURVATURE OF THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
I MIGHT BE SOME POSSIBILITY TO PICK SOMETHING UP THERE.
BRING THAT ELEMENT, UH, INTO THE SITE.
I THINK YOU'RE TOTALLY ONTO IT THERE.
UH, YEAH, BURFORD HOLLY CAN BE SIX FEET TALL AND IDEALLY THEY'RE MAINTAIN THREE TO FIVE FEET HERE.
DOESN'T REALLY DO VERY MUCH FOR PEOPLE ON THE ROAD SIDE OF THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD, UM, THE THREE ISLANDS THAT ARE THE BEGINNING OF THE, THE DOUBLE ROW THAT ARE OPEN ON THE NORTH SIDE, YOU TAKE THE POINTER TO YOUR LEFT, TO YOUR LEFT, TO YOUR LEFT, TO YOUR LEFT THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LIGHT IN ONE OF THOSE ARE LIGHT POLE ARE STANDARD, BUT YEAH, THERE'S A LIGHT POLE OVER HERE.
ARE THOSE INTERIOR ISLANDS ABLE TO BE LANDSCAPED ON BOTH ENDS? THEY'RE INTERIOR ISLANDS.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? CAN THEY BE LANDSCAPED ON BOTH SIDES? THEY'RE LANDSCAPED 50%.
SO CAN THEY BE LANDSCAPED ON BOTH SIDES? UM, I THINK IT'S, YEAH, I DON'T YOU SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT? I WOULDN'T SEE AN ISSUE TO HAVE A MORE LANDSCAPING LIGHT.
IS THAT THE LIGHT? THE, WELL, YOU CAN SEE A LIGHT ON THE, THE, ON THE THERE REALLY HAS LIGHTS YEAH.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE THE CENTER LIGHTS.
YEAH, WE DO HAVE SOME LIGHTS, OTHER LIGHTS HERE.
WE'RE THE CENTER THOUGH, SO WE COULD PUT SOMETHING LOW.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THOSE TREES ARE? I CAN'T REMEMBER.
I CAN TELL YOU TYPICALLY THEY'RE LARGE GROWING ON, IF YOU'VE GOT SMALLER GROWINGS, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE LONDON PLAIN TREES.
OKAY, SO AN ORNAMENTAL, LIKE A CRE BARREL FOR RED TO GO ON THE SIDE.
SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THE WALLS TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CAN BE INSERTED AROUND YOUR ENTRANCES AGAIN AS A SOMEWHAT NEW DECORATIVE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.
BUT THE ONES IN PLACE THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED HAVE, UH, REPETITION TO THEM THAT HAS SOME KIND OF RHYTHM.
AND ALSO THEY CAN BE USED AS LOW SEATING WALLS.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY HAVE A PURPOSE AND A USE, I THINK THAT MAKES THEM MORE VALUABLE.
AND THAT MAY NOT BE, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT NECESSARILY AS TO THAT AS SOME OF OTHER, SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK HERE, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMES FROM THE APARTMENTS TO GREENGATE.
SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN AREA THAT IS PEDESTRIAN IN ITS NATURE.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, IT'S DEALERSHIP, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WALK IT AND THERE WILL BE MORE TIME.
SO AS THOSE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OPEN UP ON YOUR PROPERTY, NEXT SCHOOL OR YOUR NEIGHBOR, UM, MORE AND MORE RETAIL AND SERVICES DOWN PLACE.
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SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THIS AREA.SO ADDITIONAL TREE TREES IN THE ISLAND.
UM, AND WHICH DID YOU RECOMMEND? I MEAN, I WOULD THINK A CRAIG MYRTLE OR A RED BUD, SOMETHING UNDER STORY.
WE HAVE RECOMMENDED TREES SPECIES.
SO JUST PULL OFF THE GOUCHE AND RECOMMENDED SMALL SPECIES STORY.
UM, AND THEN YOU MENTIONED REFERENCE THE LANDSCAPE AND, AND WALLS.
THE STONE WALLS NEAR THE ENTRANCES.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY SERVE A PURPOSE,
SO, UH, I, I THINK THE ONES THAT WE'VE HAD DONE WERE A GOOD IDEA AND I THINK THEY WERE, WELL I THINK THE EXTENSION OF THAT IDEA HAS BEEN REALLY WELL EXECUTED.
SO I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE THEM FORTUITOUSLY ADDED JUST BECAUSE YOU LIKE SOME PITCH THEM.
UM, BUT I THINK IF YOU DO IT WELL, THAT, THAT ADDS BATTLE.
ONLY IF IT ADDS SOMETHING TO MAKE IT MORE SO GENERALLY AT THE ENTRANCE.
THE ENTRANCE WEIGHS AND PERHAPS SUPPLEMENTING, I GUESS KEY LOCATIONS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT? OR? I WOULD EXPECT THE DESIGNERS TO, TO RESPOND TO THEIR PARTICULAR CONTEXT.
SO THIS WILL ALL BE IN, IN LIEU OF THE CANOPY.
THE CANOPY AT THE KIND OF THE HEAD OF THE GLASS? NO, THE PARKING SOLAR STRUCTURE PIECE.
UH, IF WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE ADDRESSED PARKING, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEY BRING BACK TO US.
UM, TO BE CLEAR, THE ONLY PLACE THE BLACK FINAL CO IS IS AROUND THE BOOSTER STATION.
SO THE OTHER FENCE THAT YOU SHOW IS, IS FINAL AND IT'S IN RIGHT BOUNDARY.
JUST FELT MORE DURABLE, EASIER TO MAINTAIN, ESPECIALLY WITH THE HEDGE ROADS THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT THE EVER UP IN FRONT OF THEM.
WHERE'S THE FENCE ON THE HE SIDE? UM, ON THE TOP OF THAT REC RETAIN.
OH, ON THE TOP OF THE RECTANGLE.
AND THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING SOME THAT'S EXTERIOR OF THE CHAIN, CORRECT? TWO SIDES.
SO THERE, THESE ARE A SIX FOOT, ACTUALLY I THINK BURFORD HOLS IS THE YEAH, SO IT'S FULL.
UM, RES WERE CALLED OUT AS UM, I THINK THESE ARE LELAND CYRUS.
SO WE HAVE APPROVED EVERGREEN.
THAT WOULD BE, SO THERE PROBABLY WAS LELAND QUESTION FOR YOU.
WHEN PEOPLE KEEP FENCING LIKE THAT AROUND SOME STRUCTURE TO HIDE IT, UM, IS IT NORMALLY, I THINK WE SAID THIS GONNA BE EIGHT FEET HIGH.
SIX TO EIGHT FAR TO THINK ABOUT, I MEAN HAVE WE HAD, I MEAN EIGHT FEET ALL DAY HIGH.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY.
THERE'S NO FENCING AROUND IT CURRENTLY.
ACROSS THE SITE IS CURRENTLY RECESSED BY ITSELF.
UM, THE CONCERN CAME ABOUT IS NOW THIS IS, UH, VALUE INFRASTRUCTURE, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S NOW OPEN, UM, TO PUBLIC VIEW ALSO, UM, FROM THE CLIENT'S PERSPECTIVE, I SAY
UM, SO THE MAIN THING THAT THE COUNTY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS JUST ACCESS TO THE SITE.
UM, FROM THE UTILITY STANDPOINT, UM, FOR US PLANNING AND UM, THE ORDINANCE SIZE CONCERNED ABOUT AESTHETICS FOR SUCH A SITE.
I MEAN STANDARD LAKE FENCES ARE SIX TO SEVEN FEET TALL.
THERE WAS A HIGH REQUIREMENT FROM THEM.
STAFF, STAFF WILL VERIFY WHAT WANTS REGARDLESS OF THAT MATERIAL THAT WAS PART OF THE PROFFER.
WHATEVER WAS UM, BUT APPROVED HAS TO BE VETTED THROUGH UTILITIES.
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ENOUGH OF DETERRENT FOR SURE.THE RAZOR WIRE AESTHETIC IS REALLY NICE.
WHAT IS THE VISUAL, WHAT IS IT INTERIOR IS, IS STAFF AWARE OF ANY STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PONDS WITHIN THIS DESIGN CORRIDOR DESIGN AREA THAT HAS FENCING ROUTE AND GULA IN THIS, IN THIS PARTICULAR SIMILAR AREA? YES.
UM, THERE IS ONE
IT'S A CAST ALUMINUM BASICALLY.
HAS THE LOOK OF ROD IRON'S REALLY CAST RIGHT.
AND IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S ALSO WELL PLANTED VEGETATE.
AND IT'S CLOSER INTO THEIR KIND OF USE AREAS.
I'D EXPECT THAT KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS.
UM, YEAH, I I MAYBE NOT THEIR SITE, BUT YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROPOSED GOLF ANYTHING.
SO BASICALLY IF IT'S, IT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THE CHICK-FIL-A UM, AREA.
I COULD, I CAN GET THERE IF YOU NEED THIS TO.
WHILE MR. CASH BRING THAT UP, WOULD, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO AN ALTERNATIVE? I MEAN IT'S A CAST ALUMINUM, IT'S NOT AS OPPOSED TO VINYL OR JAMES I, AS LONG AS WE CAN GET A NICE THING, YOU KNOW, THAT'D BE INTEREST TO SEE IT WORK.
'CAUSE WE'RE PROVIDING YOU I THINK A 20 FOOT WIDE OPENING.
SO AS LONG AS THEY CAN BE DURABLE ENOUGH OUT THAT MATERIAL TO WITHSTAND, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE CYCLES OF OPENINGS OVER THE YEARS WITHOUT YOU KNOW IT AND BREAK IT DOWN.
I GUESS THAT WAS A LOT OF THE CONCERN.
THE CAST ALUMINUM LOOK HAS A NICE LOOK TO IT.
THAT'S WHAT AROUND WHERE I'M, THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE AND IT'S, IT'S LIKE A CHAIN.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH PIPING AND TUBING TO GIVE THE REINFORCEMENT SO SAG OVER TIME.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD ASK AND POIT THAT THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER MATERIAL AND BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR GREEN LANDSCAPING IS GONNA BE YOUR PRIMARY UH, SCREEN ANYWAY.
THE FENCING IS JUST A PISTOL DETERRENT, SO SURE I GET THAT.
THERE'S ALWAYS THE LIGHT PVC BUT THE
WE'LL DRAW ATTENTION TO THAT AREA.
UM, THAT IS LARGE BP STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE.
BUT I CAN GET TO THE ROAD VERSION OF THAT.
LET'S SEE YOU LEVEL OR WELL I CAN GET A, YEAH I'D TO ABOUT THIS FOR A LONGER ROAD FURNITURE MORE PROMINENT.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SOME COLUMNS OR THINGS OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE THE FENCE SOME CHARACTER.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NO ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER THAT REALLY RESPONDING TO, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
JUST THAT THE SCREENING IS GONNA BE GOOD.
I MEAN TO BE HONEST, CAST IS A MORE MATERIAL SO.
YEAH, WE CAN ASSUMING SO THAT WAS SLIGHTLY BELOW GRADE EVEN AND RIGHT.
IT'S SORT OF JUST PAST THE TO IT'S THERE.
UM, PRETTY MUCH PLAYING WITH A COMBINATION WAX MORTARS.
AND WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THE LOWER HEIGHT WOULD HAVE TO BE SIX FOOT? I THINK UTILITIES HAS THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
I MEAN I'M OKAY WITH THE LOWER HEIGHT.
I THINK IT, I THINK IF IT'S BACK PLANTED OR EVEN BEFORE PLANTED WITH, WITH MATERIALS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE HOLLY'S AND STICKERS ABOVE THEM.
UM, PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA WANT GO THROUGH.
I THINK THEY WERE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TURN AS WELL.
JUST SOMEONE JUST CASUALLY JUST WALKING.
WHAT IS THIS? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT,
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SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STORMWATER POND.IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PUMPHOUSE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PUMPHOUSE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USING THIS STORMWATER POND FENCING AS THE MODEL AROUND THE OKAY.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SNOW WATER, THE PLACE OF CHAIN LINK, WHICH IS NOT PERMIT.
SO, SO THIS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ALUMINUM IS PERMITTED, WE WOULDN'T NEED EXCEPTION FOR THAT.
IF WE DECIDE TO WORK OUT PUBLIC UTILITIES IS OKAY.
DISCUSSION WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN.
IF THEY'RE NOT OKAY WITH IT, THEN YOU CAN ELEVATE IT.
YOU CAN GO SIX FEET AND THEN THAT MAY SOLVE THEIR, SOLVE THEIR, UH, CONCERN IF IT ADDRESSES THEIR CONCERN LEVEL.
WELL I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS THE DOORS.
WAS THERE, UM, THERE WAS MENTION OF THE SCREENING FOR THE DUMPSTER.
I DUNNO SOME REASON I HAVE THAT LINKED WITH THE PAPERWORK, BUT, UM, KNOW IF THAT WAS AN ISSUE OR NOT.
YEAH, WELL THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, THEY DID GIVE YOU A BETTER DETAIL OF THAT.
I CAN, WHEN WE SHOW YOU, IF THEY DON'T MIND, IT'S IN, SO THERE IT IS.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THE SCREENING WILL BE FOR THE DUMPSTER AREA WILL BE THE PRECAST, UM, KIND OF MATCH THE SAME PANEL.
SO THAT COLOR AND THEN THE ON GATE, WHICH IS UM, UH, MANUFACTURED MATERIAL.
THIS IS RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT AUDIO, HOW HAS AS WELL.
IT'S PRETTY COMMON NOW IN THE AREA.
UM, BUT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS THE, ALRIGHT, SO YOU, YOU WERE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING ADDITIONAL FIVE EVERGREEN SPECIMENS.
WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE SPECIES? SI THINK IT'S SOME SORT OF POLY LANDSCAPE.
IN ADDITION TO CHANGING THOSE TO THE BUFORD HUH? IN ADDITION TO CHANGING THE HEADROW TO RIGHT, THE BUFORD RIGHT.
A TALLER FOUR FOOT OR SO SOMETHING.
CARISSA'S EVENTUALLY GETS THE THREE FEET, BUT I DON'T THINK I'LL EVER HAVE THAT.
SOMETHING THAT GETS THERE QUICKER.
BURFORD IS, AND IT'S MORE COMMONLY USED RIGHT IN THE AREA.
SO THAT MAKES SENSE TO CHANGE SUBSTANCE FURNACE.
I WOULD JUST ASK, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR ROADSIDE UH, LAYOUT FOR STONE WALLS, YOU LOOK AT THIS SECTION AND WHETHER IT'S THREE EVERGREENS, FIVE EVERGREENS, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF POWER AND EYES ON THE STREET AND PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO SEE INTO AND THROUGH PROPERTIES AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO SCREEN IT, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SEE A BIG GREEN WALL ON BROAD STREET ROAD.
I THINK THAT'S ANTI UH, ANTITHETICAL TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH OUR URBAN CHARACTER AND THE STREET CHARACTER.
SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING A VERY SENSITIVE TREATMENT, THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE WALL AND GREENERY.
UM, AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S 2, 3, 5, WHATEVER THAT WALL, I THINK A LITTLE BETTER THAN JUST GREEN WALL.
YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, UM, IF YOU I DID THAT, DID I? I'M SORRY.
YOU, I CHANGED THE UH, THE VIEWS OF UN JUST THE ZOOM.
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UM, YEAH, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS SCHOOLSO WE DID, WE'LL LOOK AT INTO IT FURTHER, UM, TO YOUR POINT.
BUT WE DID TAKE THAT CONSIDERATION.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS SANITARY LINE IS RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE.
SO WE COULDN'T, WE, WE WERE GONNA PUT, ACTUALLY WE'RE, WE'RE CONTEMPLATING PUTTING A WALL RIGHT HERE, UHHUH IN FRONT, BUT WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE TREES BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, EASEMENT CONSTRAINT THAT WE HAVE WITH THAT SEWER LINE GOING RIGHT THERE.
AND, AND THEN OUR PINCH POINT, YOU KNOW THAT SEWER LINE AS IT COMES THROUGH IS RIGHT IN OUR CORNER.
SO WE CAN'T PUSH THE BUILDING REALLY IN EITHER DIRECTION.
I, I THINK AS, AS WE WORK THROUGH THE LAYOUT FOR THAT, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THAT PROBABLY CATCH THE LEADS AT DIFFERENT ANGLES.
IF YOU RECALL, IT'S KIND OF A MM-HMM.
UM, THE SORT OF DECEPTIVE, THE WAY THE PROPERTY COMES UP.
SO IF WE UTILIZE THE WALLS IT'S, AND, AND THE COMBINATION OF LANDSCAPING, WE'LL PROBABLY THERE'S POTENTIAL WE COULD LOOK TO MITIGATE THAT VIEW.
BECAUSE THE STRAIGHT ON VIEW IS KIND OF DECEPTIVE FOR THIS BECAUSE IF YOU'RE STRAIGHT ACROSS WHERE THIS THE SAME IS YOUR VS.
AND YOU'RE LOWER ON YOUR WESTERN EDGE WHEN YOU'RE HIGHER AS YOU COME TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME PLAY IN THERE WE CAN DO WITH SOME OF THE WALLS.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT THAT FOR SURE.
OKAYAND KEEP IN MIND TOO, AGAIN, IT SAID BEFORE IT SITS BACK ABOUT WHAT, 160 FEET OR SO.
UM, SO I WOULD ASK IF A PROJECTION COULD BE CONSIDERED HERE IN THAT PROJECTION.
LIKE A, IT'S A PROTECTION OR MOVERS EITHER WAY.
BUT THAT DOES THE SAME DOING A LIGHT CAST, SHADOW CAST ALL THE FACADE OF THE BE AWARDS.
SO IT'S GONNA ACTUALLY ALSO KIND OF MINIMIZE THOSE BAYS.
ANY FOLLOW? YEAH, WE GO TO THE ELEVATIONS, THE BUILDING WHO'S, WHO'S WHO.
THERE'S, THERE'S AN EYEBROW ELEMENT THAT GOES ABOVE THAT RIGHT NOW.
PROJECTS PROBABLY A COUPLE FEET FROM THE FACE.
SO THERE'S A SHADOW LINE THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE RIGHT THERE.
OH, I SEE A LITTLE BIT OF IT UP HERE.
IS THAT THREE FEET OR MORE OR? I THINK IT'S A COUPLE FEET.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE OTHER THINGS? IMPACT EVERYTHING A LOT MORE.
UM, OTHER WE THOUGHT JUDGING ABOUT WHAT WE TREATED IN THE PAST, THIS IS ONE THAT WOULD PROBABLY EASILY ADDRESS.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROMINENT RIGHT FRONT.
AND, AND SO IT MIGHT BE GET MORE ADVANTAGE FROM THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, 'CAUSE IT IS SET BACK AND UM, I WILL NOTE THAT THE OTHER TWO, THREE CASES WITH USING THE BALL KIND
UM, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, HOW IT MATCHES UP WITH YOUR SIGN WITH ALREADY GOT BASE THERE.
SO THEY'RE TYPICALLY WE WANTED TO MATCH MATERIALS ON.
MAYBE SOME, MAYBE SOME, WE HAVE TO DO SOME SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS TO OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, DOESN'T, MOST OF STUFFS ALREADY APPROVED.
MAKE SURE MAKE ELEMENTS MATCH UP TO WHAT YOU DO.
SO, SO THE ONE ITEM WE'VE REALLY NOT ADDRESSED IS THE WHITE BLUE, WHICH IS A PREDOMINANT COLOR SCHEME, WHICH ARE NOT COLORS.
AND WE'VE KIND OF ADDRESSED IT FOR THE SIDE, BUT NOT, WELL I MEAN WE'VE GOT GLASS IN FRONT, BUT THEN THERE'S THERE'S STILL THE WHITE ON THE FRONT OF THE BAY DOORS AND ON THE WESTERN SIDE.
SO, SO I WOULD ASK AS YOU PUT TOGETHER YOUR KIND OF OVERALL PACKAGE AND YOUR, YOUR NARRATIVE OR HOW YOU CAN DESCRIBE THAT, UM, CONSIDER THE MITIGATION THAT YOU'RE DOING TO, TO MINIMIZE THE, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SEEING THAT YET, I WOULD SAY THAT'S UNRESOLVED ISSUE.
SO I, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CAR DEALER ISSUE.
I KNOW IN, IN ALOR COUNTY, IN CHARLOTTESVILLE
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SUBARU, THEY REALLY WANTED A BLUE BUILDING AND, AND THEY HAD TO FIND A LOT ON WHAT THEY GOT.SO THEY ENDED UP ASSIMILATED STONE IN THE BASE.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY MAY, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO VERBALLY ADDRESS THAT PACKAGE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS HERE.
THEN IT, I MEAN ALSO IF YOU, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CHARACTERISTIC WITH THE CENTRAL CHARACTER, UM, THAT WOULD APPLY ALL WAY AROUND IT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE, THE ONE SIDE THE TOWN HOMES ARE LOOKING AT BUT THE WHOLE THING, THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL.
SO THE WHOLE THING SHOULD BE CONSISTENT PICTURE.
THERE'S SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, STEEL GRAYS, PURE GRAYS, SOMETHING THAT WORKS IN YOUR WHITE GREEN COLOR SCHEME.
YOU INTRODUCING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT, I THINK THAT IT HELPS DOWN THE WHITES AND STILL GET WHAT YOU'RE GOING PROTOTYPE BUT DOESN'T COLORS I EVERYBODY CONVERSATION.
I'M VERY INTERESTED IN OUR NEXT CONVERSATION.
WE'RE GOING INTO THE HOLIDAY PERIOD, SO NOVEMBER BECOMES A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SCHEDULE FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THAT'S, I KNOW THAT CLIENT IS, APPLICANT IS INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD, UM, AS, AS SOON AS THEY CAN.
SO WE'LL BE CONTACTING, I ARRANGE FOR DATES.
I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW TIME OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
TURNAROUND WOULD BE TO COMMENTS.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THIS FOR AROUND TWO WEEKS IS GONNA BE FAST.
THREE IS PROBABLY MORE REALISTIC.
THERE'S MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF GET AN UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE WALK.
IDEALLY WE'D TO TRY TO, YOU TRY TO GET TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE 20TH, BUT WE GOTTA HAVE SOME OTHER CONVERSATIONS TO SEE IF THAT'S REALISTIC.
SO, UM, IF I CAN ASK THE QUESTION, I WE'RE HERE LATE.
UM, IF, IF THE TWO OF YOU WOULD BE AGREEABLE, I WOULD LOVE TO JUST HAVE LIKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS TO, TO JUST CHAT WITH THESE GUYS TO, 'CAUSE I WANT TO, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE REALISTIC ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME.
UM, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA OVER PROMISE WHAT WE CAN DO.
UM, WOULD YOU ALL BE AGREEABLE JUST 10 MINUTES ALLOWING US TO SORT OF YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
BEFORE YOU DO THAT,
AND AGAIN, THAT'S DEPENDENT ON OUR CHAIR.
WEEK OF THANKSGIVING IS, IS A VERY DIFFICULT WEEK FOR COVERAGE.
IF YOU'RE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE DOWN, THAT CAN MEAN A LOT.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S WEEK AFTER THAT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD JUST SAY GENERALLY I WOULD BE FOR FIRST OR SECOND DECEMBER.
AND THE OTHER THING I WANNA DO WITH THEM QUICKLY, AND WE CAN DO IT IN 10 MINUTES, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE SAME LISTS.
UM, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING.
BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE COME BACK, I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO SORT OF AGREE AT THAT TIME.
WE, I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO PUSH OUT.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE'RE BEING TRANSPARENT AND I'LL JUST ADD A IN AND I HAVEN'T DISCUSSED WITH MY STAFF, SO I'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO TALKING WITH THEM TOO.
ANY, ALL, I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE WANTING THEM TO COME BACK BUT IF THERE IS ANY, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE CASE.
SO I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT TWO OF YOU COULDN'T ACT, TWO OF YOU CAN'T ACT TONIGHT.
SO IF YOU THINK THERE'S A WAY TO YES.
YOU KNOW, WRITE THINGS THAT STAFF COULD APPROVE IT WITH CERTAIN PERCENTAGES OR CONDITIONS, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS THAT.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SMALL TURNS FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING THAT, THAT NEED TO BE ILLUSTRATED.
JUST DIDN'T WANT IT TO GO UNSTATED.
BUT THE MEANTIME, THAT WILL WORK OUT BEST TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE SORT OF REACHING WE SO THE NEXT MEETING.
HEY WARREN, CAN WE PAUSE? CAN WE TAKE A 10 MINUTE PAUSE? UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO.
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I THINK WE'RE ON MS. PARKER SHOWING 8 57, EXCUSE ME, 7 52.I'D BE HOME A LITTLE AFTER EIGHT, SO THAT WAS ON MY BRAIN.
WE DID NOT, UH, TECHNICALLY GAVEL INTO RECESS, SO WE JUST TOOK A 10 MINUTE RECESS.
UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, CERTAIN OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS.
WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO BE, UM, AS FORTHCOMING, AS TRANSPARENT AS WE CAN ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SET THE, IF THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO, I GUESS TECHNICALLY DEFER THE MATTER.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO SET IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO IF IT'S THAT FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ASK THAT EVERY, UM, GET SET.
WE WANTED TO JUST SORT OF SUMMARIZE OUR NOTES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
UM, AND SO I'M GONNA JUST QUICKLY RUN THROUGH BILL AND DAVE, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL JUMP IN WITH SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, UM, THE FENCING, I THINK I, UM, THE COMMITTEE, UH, TELL US THAT YOU REALLY FINE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, VINYL, CAST ALUMINUM, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER PUBLIC WORK OR, UM, PUBLIC UTILITIES, UM, IS OKAY WITH ON THAT.
UM, SO WE WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH PUBLIC UTILITIES.
THE ROOF, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY ISSUES WITH THE, UH, WITH THE FLAT ROOF.
UM, THE, THE MAJOR, THE TWO SORT OF BIG TAKEAWAYS THAT WE HAD, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO SORT OF LOOK AT, MAYBE PRESENT SOME OPTIONS ARE WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND THAT WOULD ADDRESS, THAT WOULD HELP ADDRESS THE PARKING ISSUE AS WELL AS THE MAJORS.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, JUST SORT OF REVISITING THE FRONTAGE, UH, THE LANDSCAPE OF THE FRONTAGE, TRYING TO INCORPORATE SOME WALLS, UM, NEAR THE ENTRANCES, MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, PLANTINGS WITHIN INTERIOR LANDSCAPE ITEMS AS WELL.
THE C CREEK, THE RED BOATS, I MEAN INTERIOR ISLANDS.
UM, WOULD THERE IS IS THE COMMITTEE, WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO CONTINUE ADVANCING THIS AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UM, IS THE COMMITTEE AGREEABLE TO, TO SORT OF DELEGATING THAT ISSUE TO STAFF SOMEWHAT? UM, I THINK THEY'VE HEARD YOUR COMMENTS.
CAN WE WORK WITH THEM TO, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO SORT OF REDUCE THE, THE NUMBER OF, UH, SORT OF UNRESOLVED ISSUES.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT, WELL, LET ME MOVE FORWARD.
WE'VE GOT THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK ON, AND THEN WE TOOK THE BIG, UM, SORT OF, UH, ITEM THAT MOST COMMENTS WERE REALLY ON THE BUILDING APPEARANCE.
UM, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT REDUCING THE GLASS AND THE FRONT FACADE, UH, THE FRONT ELEVATION, UH, HAVING A MORE UNIFIED SORT OF LOOK AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
UM, SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE SORT OF THE SIDE AND THE BACK ELEVATIONS, TONING DOWN THE WHITE, MAYBE INCORPORATING, UM, UM, MR. SHERRY SAID THE, UH, STEEL GRAY OR P GRAY MM-HMM.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GONNA SORT OF FOCUS THIS OF OUR EFFORTS THAT I THINK WE WANT TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST, UM, OR NEED TO BE.
AND THE, THE, THE BIG CHALLENGE FOR US IN THAT PARTICULAR REQUEST IS GOING TO BE HOW MUCH WE CAN REDUCE THE GLASS ON THE FRONT.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT REALISTIC FOR US, THE HONDA REQUIREMENTS THAT WE GET TO THE SAME PERCENTAGE.
IF THAT WAS, UM, WE WILL, I THINK WORK ON WHAT WE CAN, UM, TO BREAK THAT UP AND TO SORT OF MITIGATE AND INCORPORATE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS AND REQUESTS.
UM, BUT WE JUST NEED TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST AND SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET MAYBE TO THOSE PERCENTAGE BECAUSE, AND, AND WE WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO NOW.
IT'S NOT JUST BILL, DAVE AND I GOING BACK AND DRAWING THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA GO BACK AND TALK TO VARIOUS PARTIES, UM, UH, TO SORT OF GET SIGN OFF ON THIS.
UM, AND SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE CAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE, AND, AND WE WERE HONEST WITH THE BOARD WHEN WE, WHEN WE MET WITH THEM AND, AND TALKED TO THEM AND PRESENTED THE ARCHITECTURALS, YOU KNOW, THAT SOME OF THIS IS JUST SORT OF CORPORATE MANDATES, UM, UH, AND REQUIREMENTS
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THAT, THAT OUR CLIENT HAS TO MEET.UM, SO, BUT ANY OTHER, DID YOU GUYS WANT ANY FURTHER CLARIFICATION? SOME OF THE BUILDING COMMENTS? UM, THE CONSISTENCY.
CONSISTENCY AROUND THE BUILDING.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WE WROTE AND HEARD SOME DIFFERENT THINGS RELATED TO THAT SCREENING, WHAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE.
BUT, UM, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A MORE MONOLITHIC ELEMENT TO THE PARKING STRUCTURE THAT IT STILL COULD BE OPEN.
IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SCREENING THAT'S MORE CONSISTENT AROUND THE THREE SIDES OF THAT STRUCTURE.
IS THAT ACCURATE OR WERE YOU LOOKING FOR MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, SOLID WALL KIND OF, I DON'T THINK HAS TO BE A SOLID WALL.
I THERE'S OPTIONS THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU COULD DO.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT PARTICULARLY IF YOU MODIFY THE WHITE AROUND THE BUILDING AND SAY IF YOU WENT WITH AN EARTH TONE THAT KIND OF BLENDED WITH WHATEVER THE SCREENING MATERIAL IS, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY LOOK BETTER AND LESS, LESS LIKE THERE'S A CHANGE FROM ONE SECTION OF THE BUILDING TO THE NEXT BUILDING.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY WE HAVE, YOU HAVE THREE TYPES OF WALL RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE FOUR REALLY GLAZED WALL, A SOLID WALL, THE PERFORATED MESH WE WOULD CALL THAT.
AND THEN TRULY JUST OPEN, YEAH, THERE'S SOME SECTIONS THAT ARE JUST OPEN.
THAT'S FOUR VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.
AND SO NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE AUDI, YOU KNOW, IS THE IDEAL, UM, ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPT, BUT THERE'S A BLEND OF TWO MATERIALS THERE.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO MORE THAN ONE MATERIAL IN A WALL SECTION, UM, WHETHER YOU KIND OF HAVE A BASE AND WINDOW AND A CAP OR THAT KIND OF ORGANIZATION OR NOT.
AND ONE THING THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO ME ABOUT YOUR, YOUR FRONT GLAZING AS IT GOES FROM LARGER TO SMALLER, WHICH IS KIND OF YOUR, UH, IT GOES THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
IT GOES FROM SMALLER TO LARGER.
SO IT OPENS TO THE SKY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK VERY INTENTIONAL ON THE PART OF YOUR CLIENT.
SO IF THERE ARE WAYS TO BREAK UP THE MONOTONY IN THE SIDES OF REAR, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
UM, WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU LOOK AT THE, THE WALLS AND IF THERE ARE SOME FALSE ELEMENTS EVEN THEN WE BREAK THAT UP.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF WAYS TO DO THAT.
YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HANG A WIRE SECTION THAT'S JUST A, A DECORATIVE WIRE SECTION AND IT, IT KIND OF HAS THE SIZE OF A WINDOW.
DID I, DID I MISS ANYTHING? THE ONLY THING THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT YOU SAID THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE ROOF, BUT, UM, MR. LESKI HAD TALKED IT UP ON THE FRONT IF THERE WAS SOME POSSIBILITY OF CORNICE OR SOMETHING TO GIVE IT SOME ARCHITECTURAL APPEAL SO THAT IT WOULD NOT JUST A FLAT ROOF BUT NOTHING DRESSING IT UP ON THE TOP.
I HAD LIKE A HEADER OR SOMETHING FOR YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
IT'S UM, MAYBE SOME OF THAT'S IN YOUR, WELL, YES, SEE A LOOK.
I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OPTIONS PRESENTED.
AND YOU KNOW, CORNICES CAN BE ALL SORTS OF THINGS.
WE GET A FAIRLY FLAT SECTION IN THE METAL.
UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE A PROJECTING, PROJECTING SECTION OVER THE BETA WARS AND PROJECTION SECTION OVER YOUR FRONT SIDE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CLASSICAL FOR US, BUT SOMETHING WORDS RACE COURSE OR SOMETHING GIVES WHEN WE ADDRESS THAT TOPIC RIGHT THERE.
THIS COMMENT'S GONNA GET BLENDED IN THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION.
AND AGAIN, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANCE FOR DIALOGUE TODAY.
AND, AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT THIS IS A NON-TRADITIONAL BUILDING TYPE AND, AND SOME NON-TRADITIONAL BUILDING MATERIALS, WHICH MAKE IT VERY HARD TO FIT INTO TRADITIONAL DESIGN STATEMENTS OR DESIGN STANDARD FOR TRADITIONAL STYLES AND MATERIALS.
SO RECOGNIZE THAT'S A CHALLENGE TO DO THAT.
LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING NEW FIRST OR SECOND WEEK OF DECEMBER.
I WILL SAY THE, THE MONDAY OF THE FOURTH, I HAVE A BOARD MEETING.
SO MONDAY DOES NOT WORK FOR ME.
THAT'S THE ONLY DAY THAT WE'RE AVAILABLE.
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PROBABLY HAVE TO MOVE TO THE SECOND.UH, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY THAT WEEK.
IS THAT BE 11TH THEN? YES, THAT'S FINE.
DANDRIDGE DO THE MATERIALS CAN BE OFFICIALLY RESUBMITTED.
UM, NEED SOME TIME INTEREST UP THE DEADLINE, UM, AS LET WE TALK ABOUT STAGES OF THAT AND LIKE, BECAUSE WE COULD PROBABLY ADDRESS TO Y LIKE YOU WANT TRY TO APPROACH EVERYTHING OUT THERE.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE YOU'VE GOT THE LANDSCAPING TAKE THINGS TAKEN CARE OF, SPLIT IT UP.
UM, FOR SOMETHING I WOULD NEED AT LEAST TWO FULL WEEKS BEFORE THAT.
UM, JUST TO GET THE STAFF REPORT.
WELL, THE STAFF REPORT, DEPENDING ON WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK IT IS, IT'S MONDAY, IT WOULD COME OUT FRIDAY BEFORE OR IS IT WE WOULD DO THE WEEK BEFORE.
SO WE WOULD THE PACKET OUT THE RIGHT.
YOU TWO WEEKS TO WORK PRIOR TO THE, INCLUDING ME AT DIFFERENT STAGES SO I CAN MAKE SURE THINGS ARE ON TRACK.
UM, START PACKAGING, START PACKAGING COURSE.
WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOME TIMING TO TO TO EACH'S A COUPLE THINGS EACH YEAH.
IT KIND GOES BACK TO WHAT MIKE ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS WE DELEGATED OR NOT, NOT STRAIGHT IN ONE AREA TO WORK THROUGH THE OTHERS.
I GUESS IT REALLY DEPENDS ON I GUESS THE ANSWER TO THAT.
BUT, UM, WHAT WE WILL TALK INTERNALLY AND START SETTING UP SOME DATES OF START KNOCKING SOME OF THESE THINGS OFF AND GETTING IT OVER TO YOU IN A TIMELY FASHION AHEAD OF THAT.
OBVIOUSLY THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL BE ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT, THAT COMES OUT.
YEAH, THAT'S I THE LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT.
SOME OF THAT LITTLE STUFF THAT GETTING IT, WE'LL GET SOME DATES NOT GONNA OVER.
I MEAN, IS IT POSSIBLE, AND I DON'T TAKE THIS TOO FAR, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE, UM, THAT YOU TO, TO SOME OF THIS, UM, JUST SO WE CAN SORT OF HAVE A LITTLE MORE, UM, FOCUS WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO, FOR INSTANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE LANDSCAPING, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION, THE COMMITTEE CAN DO IS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
UM, AND IF YOU CAN IT'S FINE, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE REQUEST IS TO INCORPORATE SOME WALLS AND ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS AND, AND SOME PLANTINGS ON THE INTERIOR.
UM, I MEAN IS THAT, I THINK WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, SO WE COULD TAKE SOMETHING OFF THE LIST AND JUST WORK WITH YOU ALL? WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
WE, WE DID THAT FOR, UM, SOME OF THE CASES THAT WE HEARD FOR ACROSS THE STREET.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD TO HAVE CERTAIN, THERE WERE CERTAIN LANGUAGE THAT WE USED IN THE MOTION, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO FEES, YOU KNOW, BE APPROVED AND THEN THAT THEY BASICALLY LEFT IT TO STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND REVIEW.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH DOING THAT OR IF THERE'S A REALLY, AS FAR AS THE FENCE, I, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, PRESUMING THAT YOU GET APPROVAL FROM UTILITIES, IF YOU'RE DOING UM, SOMETHING LIKE THE CASTLE ALUMINUM OR LESS ATTRACTIVE PCI MEAN PERSONALLY ATTRACTIVE, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY SAY IN IT.
UM,
UM, AND IT IS APPROVED THROUGH BY THE UTILITY THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME UP.
WELL, I GUESS IF WE WERE TO DO VINYL THOUGH, THAT DOESN'T REALLY NEED, CORRECT.
SO YOU SAYING, SO WE CAN JUST REMOVE THAT I GUESS.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMMITTING NOW TO FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M NOT, THAT IS CORRECT UNFOR.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I I WOULD WANT TO SEE
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THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR THE CHARACTER.SO THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO THE COMMITTEE.
THE BUILDING MATERIALS GONNA BE INCLUDED IN THAT.
THE ROOF TREATMENT COULD HAVE SOME ALTERATIONS AND REALLY ALL OF THOSE ARE COMING BACK.
MM-HMM,
MY THOUGHT WAS THE PARKING IN THE DOORS.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT MITIGATING THAT THROUGH THE LANDSCAPING AND THROUGH THE FEATURES THAT I JUST SORT OF ENUMERATED.
UH, I GUESS THAT WAS MY QUESTION, WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD ADDRESS THAT TO ME.
I'LL TAKE THE FIRST ORDER IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO THE, THE MINI DOORS ARE GONNA TIE TO SOME, COULD TIE INTO AN ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO I WOULD WANNA SEE THAT TOGETHER.
UM, THERE'S SOME PROJECTION WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, IF THAT WERE CHANGED, IF THAT STATED TWO, THEN IT'S THE SAME.
IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT WE CHANGE OR IS THAT THE EXTENT? I THINK THE CONCERN WITH THE BAY DOORS IS THEY'RE FACING THE FACING BROAD STREET.
I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? SO WE'RE A SHADOW LINE.
IT WOULD BE EXTENDED IF THE PROJECTION THAT'S TRUE.
THAT COULD BE PART OF THE IMPROVE.
NO, I FOLLOW, I FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW.
ARE WE SAYING IF WE MAKE IT A THREE FOOT PROJECTION CORRECT? WE TAKE IT OFF THE LIST? YEAH, I WOULD BE, I WOULD ACCEPT THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AGREE WITH ON THAT.
BUT YES, JUST FOR THE, JUST FOR THE, THERE BE AN ADDITIONAL PROJECTION, ONE FOOT, ONE FOOT SHADOW CAST, BUT YEAH.
AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING.
AND WE DID, WE DID DELEGATE THE STAFF OR ASK STAFF TO, TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE APPLICANTS ON, AND THOSE SITES HAD LESS COMPLICATED VIEW LINES IN SOME WAYS 'CAUSE THEY WERE OPEN.
UM, BUT I COULD, I, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK STAFF AS WE DID THERE TO DEAL WITH IT TO A LEVEL OF COMFORT AND THEY, THEY FELT THEY NEEDED TO COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TO BRING IT BACK BECAUSE THAT, THAT I THINK WAS THE ACTUAL
UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, THIS IS LANDSCAPING AND POTENTIAL WALL, UM, ELEMENTS.
SO PERIMETER LANDSCAPING, INTERIOR PARKING, LOT, LANDSCAPING, THE WALL.
SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF ADDRESSING THE BIRTH AND EXTENSION CORRECT.
AS WELL AS THE, THE MAJOR WORK LOCATION.
SO ON THE BE WARS, I, I WOULD JUST ASK IF, IF THAT'S A POTENTIAL TREATMENT WHERE THAT COULD BE EXTENDED, THE CANTILEVER DISTANCE CAN EXTENDED OR ALTER IN SOME WAY ON ITS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THEN I THINK THAT'S A MITIGATING FACTOR.
AND SO WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH WAS ADDITIONAL ROADSIDE MITIGATION.
SO IN THIS CASE I WOULD ASK, WE'LL DO THIS IN THE FORM OF AN OFFICIAL MOTION TO VOTE.
I WOULD ASK STAFF TO WORK TO THE LEVEL, UM, FOR ROADSIDE BUFFERING, ROADSIDE LOW WALLS AND INTERIOR LANDSCAPING TO POINT WHERE THEY FELT MITIGATION TO BE ACHIEVED.
AND IF NOT, PLEASE BRING BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
IF NOT, THAT'S HOW WE APPROACH THAT.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HOPEFULLY TAKE THAT OFF THE LIST BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
I MEAN OUR STAFF'S FANTASTIC AND I THINK THEY'VE WORKED PRETTY CLOSELY WITH YOU FOR A WHILE.
YOU HAD THE CLIENT AND SO YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS KIND OF THE END RESULT OF THAT.
SO I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK BEST WE CAN.
WHAT AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SURE.
WE JUST WANNA BE PRODUCTIVE OVER THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX WEEKS AND CHECK THINGS OFF OF THIS.
I MEAN YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH ROOM ON YOUR SITE, SO YOUR SITE THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA FIND SOME HIDDEN SPACES HERE AND THERE AND INSERT SOME FEATURES AND THAT'S THAT BUILDING THINGS ARE A LITTLE, DO YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'M PROBABLY SURE I'M CLEAR EXACTLY WHAT THE PIECES OF IT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO RECAP? SURE.
WOULD YOU LIKE A RECAP AS ASKING IF YOU WANTED TO RECAP
SO I GUESS, UH, THE MOTION WOULD INCLUDE, UM, UH, THE APPLICANT WORKING WITH STAFF, UH, TO ADDRESS, UM, PARKING AND BAY, UH, INTERIOR PARKING AND THE BAY DOOR ISSUES, UH, TO INCLUDE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUFFER WALLS, AND POTENTIALLY
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THE, UM, INTERIOR LANDSCAPING.UM, AND FOR THERE BE AN ADDITIONAL, UM, PROJECTION IF THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL PROJECTION OF ONE AND A HALF FEET TOTAL, THREE FEET.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? WHATEVER WOULD BE A FOOT.
IF IT IS, UH, IN WORKING WITH STAFF, IF, IF WE CAN ACHIEVE THESE THINGS, THOSE WOULD BE, UM, APPROVABLE.
IF NOT WE WOULD BRING THOSE BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS I HAVE.
IS THERE ANYMORE? UM, AND THEN THE OTHER IS THE, YEAH, THE DEFENSE HAS BEEN REMOVED.
AND THEN JUST LASTLY THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ITEMS NOT RESOLVED.
THIS BROUGHT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING.
SAY WHAT SHE SAID
[D. OTHER BUSINESS]
ALRIGHT.UM, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY TABLING THE OTHER ITEMS UNTIL DECEMBER MEETING.
[E. ADJOURNMENT]
MOVE MAY ADJOURN.