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GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.[I. 9:00 AM, Call to Order]
EARLIER THAN MAUR USED TO SEE EACH OTHER, BUT GOOD TO SEE YOU.UH, IT IS MY HONOR TO CALL TOGETHER THE, UH, DECEMBER 12TH 9:00 AM UH, WORK SESSION FOR TRANSPORTATION.
VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC FOR OUR CITIZENS, IF
[II. Transportation Work Session]
ANY CASE WE HEAR TRANSPORTATION AND NOISE.[1. 5918: Transportation Work Session, 9 AM]
TIME I'LL TURN IT OVER TO AUSTIN GOEN AND LEAD US THROUGH TODAY'S JUDGE.UH, IT IS A SHORTER PRESENTATION THAN SOME OF THE ONES I KNOW WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
TRANSPORTATION CAN BE VERY, UM, DENSE.
A VERY DENSE TOPIC AS YOU MENTIONED.
IT DOES COME UP, I FEEL LIKE IN JUST ABOUT EVERY MAJOR REZONING CASE NOWADAYS.
UM,
BUT I DO WANT TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
I KNOW, UM, MR. LYLE, YOU'RE GONNA BE KIND OF SHEPHERDING A LOT OF THIS MOVING FORWARD, JUST BEING ON THE BOARD AND, AND HAVING A LOT OF INPUT ON TRANSPORTATION.
SO IF YOU WANT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS A BOARD MEMBER ELECT AS FAR AS WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON, SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND IF ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ELECT, UH, WE POP IN OR FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS, I'LL CERTAINLY WANNA GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM AS WELL.
BUT I'LL JUMP INTO THE, UM, JUMP INTO THE PRESENTATION HERE.
SO, THE AGENDA IS, AS I MENTIONED, IT IS A SHORTER ONE THAN WE HAVE HAD IN WORKSHOPS PAST.
UH, AS ALWAYS, WE ARE GONNA LOOK OVER OUR CURRENT EFFORTS AND KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN THE COUNTY AND PROVIDE SOME, SOME UPDATES THERE.
PROVIDES THE CURRENT AND THE DUE BOARD AN UPDATE ON THE OSELIN SIX YEAR PLAN.
VDOT HAS A SIX YEAR PLAN, UH, THAT THEY LOOK AT PROJECTS AS A WHOLE, BUT I KIND OF DO A DEEPER DIVE ON OUR END FOR THE LARGER PROJECTS AND, AND LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC FUNDING POTS.
WHAT DOLLARS DO WE HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH WITH EACH PROJECT? UM, GO AND TO FILL IN THAT SIX YEAR PLAN, TALK ABOUT THE GOOSE LINE APPLICATION PLAN AND HOW WE ARE LOOKING AT FUTURE APPLICATIONS.
AND THEN ALSO DISCUSS SOME OUT YEARS OF, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT 20 26, 20 27 AS WE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, TOUCHING ON KIND OF COLLABORATION AND PARTNERS WHO WE WORK WITH IN THE REGION FOR, UM, EVERYBODY'S KIND OF REVIEWING KNOWLEDGE THERE AS FAR AS HOW WE GET THESE APPLICATIONS MOVING FORWARD, WHAT ARE THE REGIONAL BODIES THAT WE ACTUALLY WORK WITH AND, AND AS WELL AS, UH, WORKING WITH VDOT.
AND THEN, AS ALWAYS, WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME FUTURE TOPICS I'VE PLANNED, BUT THEN ALSO WANT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM FROM THE BOARD.
SO, JUMPING INTO OUR CURRENT EFFORTS, UM, THE BIGGEST ONE AS ALWAYS IS THE ACTUAL ROAD INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THE, IT'S BEEN OUR NUMBER ONE TRANSPORTATION PRIORITY.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS FUNDED THROUGH SMART SCALE.
THE IAR OR THE INTERCHANGE ACCESS REPORT HAS, UH, AND IT'S WELL UNDERWAY, UM, KICKED OFF IN MARCH OF 2023.
I ACTUALLY HAVE AN UPDATE MEETING WITH VDOT ON THE 20TH THIS MONTH TO FIGURE OUT THEY'RE GOING TO OFFICIALLY WHAT'S BEING DONE, A REVEAL OF THE INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENT TO DATE.
EVERYBODY'S RUNNING WITH THE ASSUMPTION'S GOING TO BE A DIVERGENT DIAMOND, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN FUNDED, BUT THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND ARE GONNA GONNA REVEAL THE OFFICIAL DESIGNATION OF WHAT THAT INTERCHANGE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
SO, AGAIN, EVERYBODY'S ASSUMING IT'S NOT, IT'S GONNA REMAIN UNCHANGED.
I'VE NOT GOTTEN ANY UNOFFICIAL WORDS, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, BUT THAT WILL BE THE OFFICIAL REVEAL AS WELL AS SOME UPDATES FROM THEM ON THE REST OF THE CORRIDOR, BECAUSE WE'RE STUDYING NATIONAL ROAD FROM BROAD STREET TO, I BELIEVE IT'S LANIER ON THE NORTHERN END OF 64.
SO WE'RE DOING A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE CORRIDOR REVIEW, AND I'M HOPING AS WELL WITH THAT DECEMBER 20TH MEETING THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SOME INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE REST OF THE CORRIDOR AS WE LOOK AT GROWTH IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THE PRELIMINARY, EXCUSE ME, WHEN DID YOU, I'M SORRY.
YES, WHEN DID YOU SAY WE'LL GET THE FINAL ON THE DESIGN.
SO THE DESIGN WILL BE REVEALED ON THE 20TH OF THIS MONTH.
SO HOPEFULLY IT'S AN EARLY PERSON PRESENT THAT WE'RE GONNA, IT'S STILL GONNA BE THE DDI, BUT REGARDLESS, WE'LL KNOW OFFICIALLY WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
AND THEN WE'LL START WORKING ON THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, WHICH IS SLATED TO KICKOFFS IN JANUARY.
THAT'LL BE ACTUALLY STARTING TO DESIGN THE INTERCHANGE.
SO WHATEVER THE STUDY OFFICIALLY RECOMMENDS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO FHWA, UM, WE CAN ACTUALLY START DESIGNING THAT PARTICULAR, UM, INTERCHANGE IN JANUARY.
AND THEN AS WE MOVE THROUGH ALL OF THIS, IT'S A VERY LARGE PROJECT, JUST SHY OF $80 MILLION IN TOTAL COST.
UM, WE ARE EXPECTED TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION IN JUNE OF 2028, WHICH CERTAINLY A WAYS AWAY.
IT'S, IT'S ALMOST FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AWAY NOW.
UH, BUT I DO THINK IT'LL BE HERE BEFORE WE KNOW IT.
JUST, AND IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED.
SO I KNOW WE'RE, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH VDOT ON GETTING THAT TIMELINE EXPEDITED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THROUGH WHATEVER MEANS WE CAN.
UM, BUT IT IS A, IT IS A LARGE UNDERTAKING FOR, FOR A PROJECT, UM, FER ROAD EXTENSION.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF INTERESTING TIMING.
I, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE'RE GONNA GO PUBLIC WITH THE INFORMATION THAT, UM, PROJECT ROCKY HAS BEEN CANCELED.
UM, UH, THE, THE END USER HAS DECIDED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT BASED ON A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS.
THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE SCOPE OF THE BUILDING, ECONOMIC TIMES, ET CETERA.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP NOW IS BECAUSE THE NUMBER ONE
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QUESTION BECOMES, WELL, WHAT DOES THIS DO TO OUR FUNDING FOR THE DEI? AND WHAT WE ARE TOLD IS IT DOESN'T AFFECT IT AT ALL.WHAT IT MAY POTENTIALLY AFFECT IF I WAS TO HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL, THIS IS JUST MY, UH, JUST SORT OF KNOWN CCBT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE PUSHING VERY HARD TO HAVE THIS IN DUE TO THAT END USER AND THE WHAT IT WAS GONNA DO TO THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, BUT SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO KEEP OUR EYES ON THAT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T SLIP BECAUSE, UM, I DO HAVE A MEETING WITH PAM AND TONY THIS WEEK, UM, TO TALK AND, UM, TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S POTENTIALLY WHAT THEY'RE POTENTIALLY GONNA BE DOING MOVING FORWARD SINCE THEY WERE DEVELOPER.
THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE, SO WHAT, WE'LL SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THAT BALL FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE.
IT IS THERE, IT'S BEEN VOTED ON RIGHT NOW.
THE ONLY THING THAT COULD REALLY CHANGE IS WHEN IT HAPPENS.
AND TO, TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, I HAD A HYPOTHETICAL CONVERSATION WITH VDOT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, JUST BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT, OBVIOUSLY WHEN PROJECT ROCKIES REZONING APPLICATION CAME THROUGH, THEIR CONSTRUCTION YEAR WAS NEXT YEAR WAS 20 24, 20 25 TIMEFRAME.
AS WE KEPT SEEING THAT PROBABLY BECOME LESS AND LESS LIKELY, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT THE FUNDING AND THE REZONINGS ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S ALL THAT WAS USED FOR.
THE SCORING TIMING WAS NOT A FACTOR.
EVEN IF THEY DID COME IN 2035, THE REZONING STILL IS IN EFFECT, THAT TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THEY DID IS ACTUALLY WHAT HELPED US ALSO GET THE DDI, SO THAT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS STILL VALID AND VERY MUCH PART OF THE SCORING AND THE FUNDING.
SO IT WASN'T CONVERSATION I KNOW WE HAD HAD EARLY ON.
UM, SO IF YOU JUST PAUSE AFTER EACH OF THESE SEGMENTS.
JUST TO SEE IF ANYTHING QUESTION'S.
AND IF YOU DON'T MIND ANOTHER QUESTION, WE TALK ABOUT THE CORRIDOR STUDY.
SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE ROADS AND, UH, NO, NOT OFF OF ASHLAND.
WHEN IS THAT GOING TO, THAT KIND OF STUFF GONNA BE ADDRESSED? SO MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN INITIALLY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT ROAD AND OTHER ROADS, ROCKVILLE ROAD, UH, PLAZA DRIVE, YOU KNOW, ON THE DECEMBER 20TH MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT IF THAT, TO WHAT LEVEL WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE CORRIDOR.
I KNOW IT'S MAINLY GONNA FOCUS AROUND THE ACTUAL INTERCHANGE DESIGN ITSELF, BUT CERTAINLY THE REPORT THAT I, UM, INDICATED THE APRIL, 2024 TIMEFRAME, THAT REPORT IS GONNA BE SUBMITTED TO FHWA AT THAT TIME.
AND THAT'S GONNA INCLUDE THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE OUT YEAR.
I THINK WE PROJECT OUT TO 20 44, 20 45 IN THIS IAR.
SO THAT WILL LOOK AT, OKAY, THE BENNINGTON ROAD INTERSECTION.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT, THE ROCKVILLE ROAD INTERSECTION AS WE LOOK FORWARD, WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN THERE? SO IT'S GONNA, THE FULL REPORT'S GONNA HAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EACH INTERSECTION.
AND WHEN WILL IT ANTICIPATE IT TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY? SO WE'RE HOPING APRIL OF 2024.
AND THEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S GOTTA HAVE THEIR REVIEW PROCESS.
I WOULD EXPECT IF EVERYTHING IS, IS KIND OF TEED UP FOR THEM TO APPROVE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROVAL EARLY TO MIDSUMMER FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, THE GOOD THING IS IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT DESIGN.
IT IS, UM, FORTUNATELY, THE, THE IAR PROCESS IS VERY FORMALIZED AND THERE ARE SET TIMELINES THAT THEY HAVE TO RESPOND AND VDO T'S GOTTA RESPOND AND SO ON.
SO THAT'S AT LEAST A GOOD THING.
WE'RE NOT JUST SENDING INTO A BLACK BOX OF REVIEW TIMING.
UM, IT, IT, WE, WE DO HAVE TO HOLD THEM TO CERTAIN REVIEW TIMELINES.
AND VDOT IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON IRS HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE BACK AND FORTH THAT WE'VE SEEN BOTH WITH, UM, THE GATE AND IR PANCO COUNTY JUST WENT THROUGH FOR THE GATE AND ROAD INTERCHANGE THAT THEY WANNA DO, UM, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ONES.
SO WE ARE, UM, WE WOULD EXPECT IF EVERYTHING IS CORRECT WHEN WE SUBMIT IT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EARLY TO, TO MIDSUMMER APPROVAL BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THAT IT'S OFFICIAL, THAT THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ACTUAL ROAD.
BUT I'M HOPING THAT WE'RE GONNA GET SOME INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON NATIONAL CORRIDOR OUTSIDE THE INTERCHANGE NEXT WEEK.
SO I CAN START TO, AND POTENTIALLY HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEW BOARD ABOUT WHAT DO THESE VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS LOOK LIKE, OR AT LEAST RECOMMENDED IT TO LOOK LIKE COMING OUT OF THAT STUDY.
SO ASSUMING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT APPROVES, WE HAVE A PORTION OF THE FUNDING IN PLACE, THE FUNDING IS 100% SECURED FOR THIS PROJECT.
IT'S JUST SHY OF, I THINK $76 MILLION IS, IS WHERE WE'RE AT FOR THE TOTAL INTERCHANGE PROJECT.
ONE THING THAT WE'RE HOPING TO COME OUT OF THE STUDY, LET'S JUST FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, SAY THERE'S A SIGNAL RECOMMENDED AT ROCKVILLE ROAD THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS, HEY, THERE'S NO OTHER IMPROVEMENT FOR THIS INTERSECTION IN ROCKVILLE AND ASHLAND, BUT WE'RE GONNA NEED A TRAFFIC SIGNAL BY THE YEAR 2045.
WE THEN TAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND START LOOKING FOR NEW MONEY FOR THAT PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING WE GET SOME GOOD PROJECTS OUT OF THIS STUDY THAT WE CAN THEN USE IN SMART SCALE REVENUE SHARE AND, AND OTHER POSITIVE MONEY THAT WE CAN THEN START PULLING SOME APPLICATIONS TOGETHER.
UM, WHAT IS, YOU USE THE TON CORRIDOR.
DOES THAT GO FROM UH, TWO 50 ALL THE WAY DOWN? MY NEXT QUESTION,
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THERE.BUT THE SOUTHERN END IS, IS ASHLAND, OR EXCUSE ME, IS ON BROAD STREET WHEN AND SO WHEN THE CORRIDOR IS NORTH AND SOUTH.
SO THEY'RE MOVING THE, UH, PARKING RIDE.
I JUST, BECAUSE THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
SO I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THAT ONE ON THE SLIDE.
I DO HAVE A, UM, JUST KIND OF GENERAL UPDATE ON THAT.
THE ESTIMATE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE BETWEEN SEVEN OR SO MILLION DOLLARS, UH, JUST NORTH OF $7 MILLION WAS GOING TO ORIGINALLY DOUBLE THE CAPACITY.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE EXISTING PARK AND RIDE, WHILE SMALL HAS ABOUT 110, 112 SOME SPACES.
UM, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU PARK.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT EXACTLY A WELL DESIGNED OR, OR DELINEATED PARKING LOT.
UM, THE THOUGHT IS NOW BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING ACROSS THE BOARD WITH PROJECTS AND, AND COST INCREASES THAT WE'RE GONNA PHASE THE PARKING RIDE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO, THERE'S GONNA BE WHAT'S CALLED A BID OPTION.
SO THE CONTRACTOR CAN SUBMIT FOR, HEY, FOR $5 MILLION I CAN BUILD PHASE ONE, WHICH WOULD BE REPLACING IN KIND.
SO IF WE HAVE 110 SPACES, THEY'RE GONNA PUT 110 SPACES BACK, IT'S GONNA HAVE LIGHTING, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, IT'S GONNA BE BUILT TO TODAY'S STANDARDS AND THEN HAVE AN OPTION IN THE CONTRACT FOR, OKAY, WELL IF I GO OVER THE BUDGET BY THIS AMOUNT, I COULD DO THE WHOLE PROJECT, WHICH AMOUNTS TO I BELIEVE 225 TOTAL SPACES.
BUT THAT PROJECT IS INDEPENDENT OF THE DDI.
THAT IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE, JUST HAS NOTHING TO DO AND SEPARATELY FUNDED.
THAT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY COMPLETELY FUNDED OUTSIDE OF GLAND'S, MEANS WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
UH, THE STATE CAME IN AND PICKED OUR PARKING AND RIDE AND ANOTHER ONE IN THE STATE TO FUND SEPARATELY FROM ANY INTERCHANGE PROJECTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND, AND WE HAVE A SENSE OF A TIMELINE ON THAT.
SO THE CONSTRUCTION IS SLATED TO BEGIN IN THE 2026 TIMEFRAME BECAUSE THEY, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT DONE PRIOR TO THE INTERCHANGE STARTING CONSTRUCTION
BECAUSE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS USE THE EXISTING PARKING RIDE AS KIND OF A STAGING AREA.
IT'S A PERFECT SPOT FOR THE CREWS TO PARK IN THE MORNING FOR THEIR VEHICLES TO BE OUT OF THE WAY.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHER PARKING LOT, SO TO SPEAK, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION CREWS OR FOR THE TRAILERS OR FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH CONSTRUCTION.
I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE, BUT, UH, JUST CURIOUS, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS FOR CHARGING STATIONS? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, IT'S, THERE ARE NO CURRENT PLANS FOR THAT AND THE PARKING LOT, JUST CURIOUS.
UM, STILL A TWO LANE DDI NO, IT'S GONNA BE A FULL BLOWN, OR AT A NEW BRIDGE.
SO IT'S GONNA BE FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC EVERY TWO IN EACH DIRECTION.
SO THERE'LL BE TWO LANES IN EACH AND THEN BETWEEN NOW AND ASSUMING, I'M SORRY, ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THEY COME BACK WITH, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
THAT IS THE RUNNING ASSUMPTION.
THAT'S WHAT WE ASK FOR MEASURES WERE DIRECTLY TIED TO THE ROCKET RE ZONING.
SO THE TEMPORARY MEASURES TO DATE WILL BE NOT INSTALLED UNLESS ANOTHER DEVELOPER PURCHASES THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY AND ADVISED BY THOSE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES.
SO FOR THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, WE JUST GOTTA LIVE WITH WHAT WE GOT NOW TO DATE, IT WILL REMAIN AS IS UNTIL WE DO FULLY BUILD THE, THE INTERCHANGE.
UM, THEY HAVE APPROVED THE TWO STAFF WAREHOUSES SOMEWHERE ADJACENT TO CORRECT.
HAVE, HAVE TO DO NAMES FOR IT.
IS THAT NOT FACTOR INTO THE NEED FOR STABILIZATION OR ANYTHING SUCH AS THAT? NO.
SO AS PART OF THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, THEY TOOK INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE IT, IT STILL IS APPROVED, UH, ROCKY'S TEMPORARY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THEY DID NOT PROPOSE ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND ROCKY'S TEMPORARY PROFIT IMPROVEMENTS.
WHO IS THAT? UH, THE CRESCENT GROUP.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YES, SIR.
UM, SO, SO NO, THEY, THEY DID NOT PROPOSE ANY ADDITIONAL TEMPORARY SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON ASHLEY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL, ASHLEY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD FUND? WE CHOSE TO, IS THAT AN OPTION? IT CERTAINLY IS AN OPTION WE CAN DISCUSS WITH VDOT S UM, THE, THE HARD PART ABOUT HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WILL BE WE HAVE A FUNDED INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENT.
TO WHAT DEGREE WILL THEY CONSIDER MAINTAINING OPERATING AND, AND POTENTIALLY PARTIALLY FUNDING A TEMPORARY SIGNAL.
UM, WHEREAS IF IT'S COMING THROUGH PRIVATE MEANS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER'S WILLING TO PAY FOR SOMETHING, AND IT IS, IT IS WARRANTED TODAY, UM, FOR THAT SIGNAL.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY WERE ABLE TO GET IT APPROVED BY VDOT FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THAT TEMPORARY SIGNAL HAS TO BE WARRANTED.
AND IT IS, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A FIX, WILL VDO BE WILLING TO SPEND THE MONEY? WILL THE STATE BE WILLING TO KICK IN ANY FUNDS FOR THAT? I
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IT IS ISN'T A, UM, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN DISCUSS WITH, WITH VDOT.I THINK IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA DO AS WE MOVE AS PEN AND TONY FIGURES OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO MOVING FORWARD.
YOU HAVE THE EXPERTISE IN WORKING WITH VDOT, MANAGING THEM.
UM, AT WHAT POINT DO WE HAVE TOO MANY REQUESTS FOR LITTLE THINGS WHEN WE'VE GOTTEN SUCH A BIG WIN? LIKE THE DDI, UH, AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE I I INTENTIONALLY DRIVE ASHLAND ROAD PROBABLY FOUR TIMES A WEEK IN PERSPECTIVE.
LIKE IT RAISES A LOT OF CONCERN.
BUT IF YOU COMPARE IT THROUGHOUT THE COMMONWEALTH, ESPECIALLY OUR NORTHERN, UM, COUNTIES AND JURISDICTIONS, IT, WE HAVE TO SAY THIS IS 30 MINUTES IN THE MORNING, 30 MINUTES IN THE EVENING AT 10:00 AM YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH THERE STRAIGHT THROUGH AND IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I, WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS VDOT GOING, OH MY GOSH, WE JUST GAVE THEM $75 MILLION AND YOU KNOW, YET HERE IS THE NEXT REQUEST FOR A SIGNAL.
HERE'S THE NEXT REQUEST FOR MORE SIGNAGE.
HERE'S THE NEXT REQUEST FOR THIS LITTLE THING.
VERSUS, YOU KNOW, TONING IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, BEING GRATEFUL FOR WHAT WE'RE RECEIVING AND, AND MOVING FORWARD.
SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
AND THAT'S IN THE SAME LIGHT THAT I, MY THOUGHTS CAME THAT WE'RE, AT THE TIME WHEN ROCKY CAME THROUGH THE DDI WAS A HOPEFULLY TO BE FUNDED PROJECT.
SO WE HAD THEM PROPOSE AND IT WAS WARRANTED THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE MADE THEM, UH, PROFFER ANYTHING THAT, UM, OR THEY OFFERED TO PROFFER ANYTHING THAT, UM, WAS BEYOND WHAT THE TRAFFIC WARRANTED OUT THERE.
UM, THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT DOES GET TRICKY WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR TEMPORARY MEASURES ON SOMETHING THAT WILL BE FIXED.
I WILL SAY IT, THE, THE QUEUING AND THE DELAYS ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN THE, IN THE AM AND THE PMP WHERE THE TRAFFIC STUDY BY SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR ANTICIPATES IT BEING OVER A MILE BACK UP HEADING SOUTH ON ASHLAND ROAD.
UH, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE PURSUING A, A FULL FIX NOW INSTEAD OF KIND OF PIECE MAILING IT AS ORIGINALLY INTENDED WAS A SINGLE LANE DDI ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION TO KIND OF BRIDGE THE GAP TILL WE CAN FULLY FUND.
UH, BEFORE WE COULD FULLY FUND A FULL NEW BRIDGE WITH A FOUR LANE DDI.
WELL, WITH ALL THE INDUSTRIAL TRAFFIC ON ASHLAND ROAD, VDOT AGREED THAT IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO A STOP GAPP MEASURE.
'CAUSE WHEN THAT OPENED, IT WAS GONNA BE FAILING BY THE TIME WE ACTUALLY BUILT IT IN THE SAME TIMEFRAME.
SO WHY, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND SEEK THE OTHER 40 MILLION NOW AND BUILD A NEW BRIDGE AND GET THE WHOLE INTERCHANGE PHASE.
BUT THE, THE POSITIVE OUT OF THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION, IT DOES SEEM LIKE WE HAVE A LOT, BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, SEVERAL OF OUR PROJECTS ARE VDOT REQUESTED.
SO THE 2 88 HARD SHOULDER RUNNING LIGHTS, THAT WASN'T ANYTHING GUCH WANTED, BUT VDOT WANTED TO USE THOSE TECHNOLOGY FUNDS.
SO YES, WE DO HAVE A LOT GOING ON.
IT'S NOT ALL JUST PUSHED BY G***H LINK.
SO I THINK WE'RE, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE ADDING TO APPROPRIATE FOR US TO GO AFTER THE SIGNAL.
I THINK THE STATE AND FED GET INVOLVED WHEN THE, UH, EXIT BACKS UP ONTO THE INTERSTATE WHERE YOU'VE GOT A PARKING LOT ON THE INTERSTATE WHERE PEOPLE GOING SEVEN.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THEM TO SAY, YEAH, THAT'S A SAFETY ADDRESS.
AND, AND JUST FOR, 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE, THE SINGLE WE NEEDED, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED BEFORE ROCKY WAS EVEN MENTIONED, UM, BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED TRAINING.
SO WE, UM,
SO WE JUST NEED TO KEEP OUR EYE.
SO IS THAT A CON, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A CONVERSATION.
YOU WANT ME TO AT LEAST INITIALLY BROACH WITH THE FOLKS THAT I TALKED TO? LET'S TALK TO, LET'S WORK, LET'S SEE WHAT, WHAT THE, THE DEVELOPERS OKAY.
WE, WE'LL COORDINATE TOGETHER.
SO THE NEXT PROJECT WE HAVE GOING ON IS A
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE ROUNDABOUT IS NOT QUITE YET CLOSED OUT.
THE, THE STUB ROAD TO THE BACK OF TAYLOR'S IS STILL, UH, STILL REMAINS CLOSED VIA US WORKING ON BUTTONING UP A COUPLE ISSUES.
AND I KNOW THAT WILL BE, UM, OPEN HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS FOR A SAFE FOR TRAFFIC.
ALTHOUGH ALL THEY COULD ACCESS AT THIS POINT IS THE BACK OF TAYLOR'S.
UH, BUT THE FAIRGROUND ROAD EXTENSION PROJECT IS CONTINUING THAT ROAD STUB ALL THE WAY TO ROUTE SIX.
I MENTIONED IT BEFORE, IT WILL POP OUT ON ROUTE SIX JUST WEST OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK ENTRANCE.
SO IT'LL BE ON THE HIGH SCHOOL SIDE OF THAT MOBILE HOME PARK ENTRANCE IS WHERE THAT WILL, UM, WILL COME OUT AND IT WILL BE A LEFT AND, UH, I BELIEVE A RIGHT TURN LANE INSTALLED AS WELL.
I KNOW DEFINITIVELY THERE WILL BE A LEFT TURN LANE, UM, INSTALLED ON ROUTE SIX FOR, FOR THE EXTENSION PROJECT.
WE DID HOLD, WE DID, UM, HAVE A DESIGN PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 16TH HERE IN THREE 50.
UM, THE TURNOUT WAS, WAS SMALL, BUT IT WAS KIND OF EXPECTED BY VDOT.
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I'LL SAY NON-CONTROVERSIAL PROJECTS, THE PUBLIC TYPICALLY DOESN'T EVER TURN OUT IN, IN GREAT NUMBERS.I THINK THERE WERE SEVEN OR 10 CITIZENS THAT DID SHOW UP IT, WHICH EQUAL THE AMOUNT OF TOTAL STAFF BETWEEN VDOT AND THE COUNTY THAT WAS THERE.
BUT I THINK IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE.
WE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH VDOT ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND OTHERS.
UM, THE DESIGN WILL NOW, BECAUSE THE BOARD WILL APPROVE, UH, THE FUNDING FOR THE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK WILL LIFESTYLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ROAD TO KIND OF PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY THERE.
AND SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD ABOUT FARMER'S MARKET AND PROMOTING SOME OF THAT BUSINESS GROWTH ALONG THAT NEW ROAD.
UM, AND CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT IS SCHEDULED TO START IN IN 2026.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE EXTENSION PROJECT? NO, I I DO.
SO WE JUST APPROVED THE SIDEWALKS CORRECT.
SO NOW ON THE EXTENSION, THE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
SO THAT TAKES YOU, THE SIDEWALKS WOULD TAKE YOU FROM ROUTE SIX AROUND THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO ENVISION, UM, HOW THAT WORKS WITH PEDESTRIANS TRYING TO CROSS IN A ROUNDABOUT.
UH, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
I THINK OF A TRAFFIC LIGHT, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT THE PUSH BUTTON, YOU STOP THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN WALK THROUGH.
HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH A ROUNDABOUT? SO THE ROUNDABOUT AS IS INSTALLER RIGHT NOW DOES HAVE FOUR CROSSWALKS, ONE ON EACH LEG.
OH, WELL THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE.
UM, BUT IT IS, BUT HOW DO YOU STOP TRAFFIC? IT WILL BE UP TO THE DRIVERS TO FOLLOW STATE LAW AND YIELD TO PEDESTRIANS THAT ARE IN CROSSWALKS.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW UNSIGNED CROSSWALKS OPERATE ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH.
UM, THE DRIVERS HAVE TO YIELD TO, TO PEDESTRIAN.
THEY GIVE, THEY GIVE YOU REFLECTIVE VEST AND SEND YOU OUT THERE
IS THERE A SIGN? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A SIGN FOR THAT.
UM, I MEAN THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I PRE PRESUME WE CAN ASK FOR.
THAT THE YIELD TO PEDESTRIAN AND CROSSWALK SIGNS.
I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK WHAT SIGNAGE IS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO ENVISION HOW IT REALLY WORKS.
'CAUSE THE WHOLE IDEA OF A ROUNDABOUT IS YOU KEEP MOVING, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO I'M, WE HAVE, I'M HERE RUN THIS WAY AND THERE'S SOMEBODY BACK HERE TRYING TO CROSS MM-HMM.
I'M JUST TRYING TO ENVISION HOW IT ACTUALLY, THE HOPE IS EVERYBODY WILL FOLLOW THE LAW AND YIELD TO THE APPROPRIATE PARTY.
I'D LIKE TO THINK EVERYBODY'S GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S ALWAYS GONNA FOLLOW THE LAW.
BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY THE HOPE TARA IN, IN, IN THAT ALWAYS THE PERFECT SCENARIO.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO ANYTHING, IT'S JUST THAT IT'S JUST A CONUNDRUM TO ME.
IT'S JUST TRYING TO ENVISION HOW IT ACTUALLY DOES WORK.
UNDERSTAND ROUNDABOUTS INSTALL, ESPECIALLY MAYBE A LOT.
I SAID LIKE KIDS HIGH SCHOOLERS, YOU KNOW, SPRINTING ACROSS THERE, WHATEVER.
UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT THE EXTENSION, BUT YES.
YOU MENTIONED THE, THE ROUNDABOUT AND COMPLETION.
UPON WE, WE'D SPOKEN QUITE DELIBERATELY ABOUT UPON COMPLETION, GETTING IT SO THE COUNTY CAN MAINTAIN YES.
AND FIGURE OUT WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN THERE.
IS THAT STILL MOVING FORWARD OR IS THAT, IS STILL IT HAS POSITIVE MOMENTUM.
IT'S ON A HOLDING PATTERN AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE WE CAN'T FILE A PERMIT TO DO ANY KIND OF LANDSCAPING OR MAINTENANCE.
WE HAVE TO REQUEST TO DO MAINTENANCE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL THE PRODUCT'S SUFFICIENTLY CLOSED.
BUT WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO ONCE WE HAVE THAT PERMIT SO WE CAN BE FIGURING OUT DO WE WANT CITIZENS ENGAGED IN DESIGNING WHAT THAT IS? DO WE WANT, DO WE WANT, UH, IS IT JUST GONNA BE COUNTY STAFF OF HOW WHAT WE JUST LIKE, WE, WE COULD BE WORKING TO KNOW WHAT WE WANT THERE PRIOR TO THAT.
SO TODAY WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO GO IN THERE.
I'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF SOLICIT UNSOLICITED CALLS ABOUT WHAT SHOULD GO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS, SOME MAYBE NOT SO GREAT IDEAS.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE, I CERTAINLY WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US PRIOR TO CLOSE OUT TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME OF THOSE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS.
WE'RE JUST GET THE PLAN TO GET TO THE PLAN.
THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE MY, WERE THE ROUNDABOUT AT 5 22 AND TWO 50 IS LANDSCAPED.
WHO PAID FOR THAT AND WHO MAINTAINS THAT? SO I CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION AS FAR AS WHO PAID FOR IT.
MY ASSUMPTION IS IT WAS PARTIALLY PAID LIKELY BY THE STATE AND LOUISA COUNTY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT PROJECT IS FULLY FUNDED.
UM, I KNOW THAT TO ME THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.
IT'S GOT SOME LOW, SLOW LOW STUFF.
THEY DON'T WANT LOW DON'T, THEY DON'T WANT LOW STA THEY WANT HIGHER STUFF.
YOU SAY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, DO TELL DISTRACTING VDOT WANTS IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROUNDABOUT YOU TO LOOK LEFT, NOT STRAIGHT.
TYPICALLY AT AN INTERSECTION YOU LOOK ALL FOUR WAYS.
BUT IN A ROUNDABOUT, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO LOOK THAT THAT'S WHERE TRAFFIC'S COMING FROM.
SO TO MAKE YOU LOOK LEFT, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROUNDABOUT SOMETHING TO BLOCK YOUR SITE FROM LOOKING FORWARD, WHICH SOUNDS REALLY COUNTERINTUITIVE.
AND NORMALLY YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING IN THE WAY AT ANY INTERSECTION EVER
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NOT THAT THEY'RE GONNA MANDATE WE PUT A 13 FOOT TALL STATUE OF, OF SOMEBODY OR, OR WHATEVER IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.I MEAN, MANDY'S WILLING,
UM, BUT THEY WOULD PREFER IF WE, THEY WOULDN'T SAY NO IF WE WERE TO COME IN AND SAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT A LARGE FLOWERING TREE IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GONNA BLOCK SIGHT DIRECTLY AHEAD.
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S NOT WHERE YOUR CONFLICT IS COMING FROM.
IT'S ACTUALLY COMING FROM THE LEFT.
I I, I JUST DON'T, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE A PROJECT BIGGER THAN IT'S RIGHT.
AND I, I CERTAINLY WANT ALL THIS ELABORATE.
IT NEEDS TO BE SIMPLE AND EASY TO MAINTAIN.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT.
WE DON'T HAVE IRRIGATION INSTALLED IN THE CENTER, SO IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE EXACTLY WHO'S GONNA DO ALL THIS.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING HAVING IRRIGATION FOR IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
AS FAR AS LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE ONE IN LOUISA COUNTY AT 5 22, AND I'M HAPPY TO CONFIRM THIS, THAT LOUISA AND OR COMMUNITY GROUP MAINTAIN IT BECAUSE VDOT IS NOT IN THE HABIT OF MAINTAINING LANDSCAPING, I BELIEVE.
UM, THERE'S EITHER A PRIVATE GROUP OR THE COUNTY'S PARTIALLY INVOLVED AS FAR AS THE CENTERVILLE LANDSCAPING.
UM, I WOULD ANTICIPATE IT BEING A SIMILAR ARRANGEMENT, WHETHER IT'S COUNT, PARTIALLY COUNTY MAINTAIN, YOU CAN CEMENTED OVER AND THERE'S NO MAINTENANCE.
WHAT WAS THAT YOU CAN CEMENTED OVER AND IT'S NO MAINTENANCE.
WE GOTTA NIX THESE BIG PROJECTS AND THESE A WHOLE COMMITTEE.
IT'S A SIMPLE LITTLE TINY, YOU GOT IT OUT.
QUICK QUESTION ON THE EXTENSION.
YOU'VE GOT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT ARE WE GONNA CREATE? ARE WE GONNA LIGHT THAT UP LIKE TOWN VILLAGE JUDGE? SO IT IS GONNA HAVE A SIMILAR STREET LIGHTS, BOTH THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE COURTHOUSE, WHAT I CALL COURTHOUSE PROPER ON ROUTE SIX, FIVE TWENTY TWO.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENCOURAGE SOME, UH, VILLAGE TYPE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S THE INTENT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DID HAVE SOME INITIAL CONCEPTS OF WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS FORM OF FEEL.
UM, IT WAS VERY VILLAGE CENTRIC, SIMILAR STYLES TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
VERY BRICK, VERY, I'LL ALMOST CALL FORMAL WHERE IT'S, THAT'S HOW THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE FEELS.
IS THAT BAKED INTO THE VILLAGE PLAN AS WE HAVE IT NOW? TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
I KNOW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS WORKING ON KIND OF FURTHERING THOSE CONCEPTS ON THE EXTENSION TO INCLUDE THAT.
AND, AND I THINK, AND I KNOW MR I THINK YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN TO, TO THAT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO FURTHER THAT CONVERSATION AS FAR AS WHAT DO WE WANT THERE AND GETTING A BUSINESS STRATEGY SO TO SPEAK, AS FAR AS WHAT TO ATTRACT TO THAT AREA.
WHAT MAKES SENSE TO BRING TO A SETTING SUCH AS THAT AND TO KIND OF INCORPORATE WHAT WE WANT AND TALKS ABOUT THE FARMER'S MARKET AND SO ON.
WHAT BUSINESSES ARE COMPLIMENTARY TO THAT USE.
SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY MUCH UNDERWAY WITH COMMERCIAL.
THERE WAS A STUDY DONE WITH, UM, A VIDEO THAT WE CAN SEND YOU THE LINK TO THAT SHOWS SORT OF A HIGH LEVEL AND KIND OF SORT OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING THAT PETER HAD.
IT'S KIND OF EXCITING YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW ABOUT ALL THIS LEARNING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE, UH, EXCEPTION? ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT ONE WE'VE GOT GOING ON IS THE H ROTARY ALIGNMENT.
UM, THE FIRST MAJOR PIECE OF THAT I KNOW THAT CAME UP QUITE FREQUENTLY AND EARLY, UH, WAS THE EXISTING SIGNAL AT HAWKIN AND ST.
AND I KNOW I TOUCHED ON IT THE LAST FOUR SUPERVISORS PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WANTED TO MENTION IT AGAIN, THAT IN THE APPLICATION FUNDING AND IN THE INITIAL CONCEPTS, IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT THAT SIGNAL WOULD LIKELY NEED TO BE REMOVED AT EXISTING HAWK AT ST.
MATTHEW'S BROAD STREET UNDER FURTHER REVIEW AND, AND DOING A ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS WITH VDOT.
IT IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE LIKELY WAITING ON THE OFFICIAL WORD, BUT THAT SIGNAL WILL LIKELY REMAIN AND IT'S ANTICIPATED TO REMAIN.
SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'RE WAITING KIND OF ON THE OFFICIAL FINDINGS.
WE'RE WAITING ON GETTING THE, THE SIGN OFF.
BUT IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, THE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THAT ANALYSIS AS A PART OF THE PROJECT, IT'S ALL BUT DONE AT THIS POINT.
SO THE ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DONE, IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH THE PROPER APPROVAL CHANNELS, BUT WE CERTAINLY ANTICIPATE NOW THAT SIGNAL IS EXPECTED TO, SINCE WE HAVE SOME OF OUR PROSPECTIVE BOARD MEMBERS HERE.
CAN YOU STEP BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THE ROAD REALIGNMENT PROJECT IS JUST TO, YOU KNOW, BRING EVERYBODY A LITTLE TO SPEED.
SO THE, THE HOCKEY ROTARY REALIGNMENT, WE'RE PUTTING A, A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT ON EXISTING POCKET ROAD JUST NORTH OF HOLLY LANE AND SOUTH OF THE EMERGENCY BED.
AND WE'RE BRINGING THE, WHAT WE'RE CALLING NEW HO ROAD, AT LEAST CONCEPTUALLY NOW.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE NAMED ASHLAND ROAD, UM, THROUGH THE EMPTY FIELD THAT THE, THE PRUITTS ZONE AND BRING IT TO THE SIGNAL AT THE WELLS FARGO.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A FOUR-LEGGED INTERSECTION.
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THAT ROAD.SO AT 2010 WHEN BROAD STREET WAS WIDE IN 2011, THAT TIMEFRAME.
SO WE'RE FINALLY GONNA UTILIZE THE, UH, AND THEN THE SIGNAL POLE'S WAITING ON IT.
IT, IT'S WAITING ON SIGNAL HEADS.
IT'S BEEN INSTALLED SINCE THEN.
SO IT'S, UM, WE'RE FINALLY HOPEFULLY GONNA BE UTILIZING THAT, UH, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE NOW PRUITTS ARE AWARE IT WAS, HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS, HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WHAT WAS THAT? THE VDO HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY? NOT YET.
THAT IS A PHASE, UH, THAT WILL HOPEFULLY BE OCCURRING THE NEXT YEAR OR SO.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE INITIAL DESIGN AND ONCE WE GET TO ABOUT 30% DESIGN, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LANDOWNERS.
I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE BUILDINGS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE, UH, REMOVED.
UM, THE THREE LITTLE BUILDINGS ON POCKET ROAD JUST NORTH OF HOLLY LANE, I BELIEVE TWO, AT LEAST TWO OF THEM ARE GONNA BE IMPACTED.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL THE APPROPRIATE LANDOWNERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON POCKET ROAD? UH, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO THE TIMING OF THIS.
SO YES, THESE ARE ALL KIND OF ESTIMATES AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OCK ROAD REALIGNMENT BEING IN 28 MM-HMM.
SO I'M THINKING ABOUT TRAFFIC AND I'M TRAVELING THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR.
I'M GOING THROUGH TWO MAJOR CONSTRUCTION ZONES AT THE SAME TIME.
IS THERE ANY THOUGHT ABOUT HOW YOU STAGE THIS STUFF IN? I I, I SEE THAT BEING LIKE PRETTY MESSY.
IT ACTUALLY ROAD WILL LIKELY SEE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS.
NOT ONLY FROM OUR PROJECTS AND I WOULD ANTICIPATE COMING OUT OF THE STUDY, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA WANT TO PURSUE ON ASHLAND ROAD, BUT ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DIAMOND RIGHT.
GOING ON AT THE SAME CONSTRUCTION AS HOT.
SO WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS YET AS FAR AS, AND I THINK REALLY THAT'S A FACTOR OF WE CHASED MONEY FOR BOTH PROJECTS AT THE EXACT SAME TIME AND THEY WERE FULLY FUNDED IN THE EXACT SAME FISCAL YEAR.
SO THEY WERE GONNA FOLLOW THE SAME SCHEDULE.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOTHING THAT WAS, OH HEY I HAVE AN IDEA.
LET'S LET'S DO MAJOR CONSTRUCTION ON BOTH INTERACTION ROAD.
UM, THAT COULD BE A CONVERSATION WE'LL HAVE WITH THEM AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DO KEEP SMOOTH OPERATIONS.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO PHASE OR MARRY THE TWO PROJECTS, SO TO SPEAK, SO WE MAINTAIN TRAFFIC FLOW.
YEAH, I THINK I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.
I THINK IT'S GOOD BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF NON-PUBLIC.
IF YOU HAVE A WHOLE BRIDGE THAT YOU HAVE TO BUILD THAT DOESN'T IMPACT TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROUNDABOUT THAT DOESN'T IMPACT TRAFFIC.
SO AS LONG AS YOU COORDINATE THOSE TWO THAT WHEN YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING CURRENT ROADS, YOU COULD BE WORKING ON.
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S A GOOD POINT TO COORDINATE THOSE SO YOU'RE NOT RUNNING OUR CITIZENS THROUGH TWO MAJOR CONSTRUCTION ZONE IN THE SAME, AND THAT'S A CONVERSATION I'LL MAKE SURE TO HAVE WITH VDOT THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT, WHILE A LOT OF THE PROJECT STAFF ON VDOT SIDE ARE, ARE SIMILAR BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS, WE DON'T WANT BOTH OF 'EM TO BECOME SILOED THAT HEY, WE'RE GONNA COMPLETELY WORST CASE SCENARIO SHUT DOWN ASHLAND AND ABROAD TO DO THIS AND THEN ALSO SHUT DOWN THE INTERCHANGE.
WELL THEN OUR CITIZENS HAVE NOWHERE WHERE TO GO.
SO WE, THAT'S ALL NO, I UNDERSTAND.
WE'RE I THINK ONE OF THE LESSONS LEARNED OUT OF THE ROUNDABOUT WAS EMERGENCY SERVICES AND COORDINATING WITH THEM.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING A HARD LOOK AT THROUGH ANY PROJECT, WHETHER THERE'S MAJOR DETOURS INVOLVED CLOSURES, FLAGGING OPERATIONS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE EMERGENCY SERVICES IS VERY MUCH IN THE LOOP ON THAT AND A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR OPERATIONS STAY, STAY VERY MUCH INTACT.
FOLLOWING UP ON NEIL'S QUESTION, IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT A LOT OF THE HOCKEY ROAD REALIGNMENT CONSTRUCTION IS OFF THE EXISTING THOROUGH.
BUT THAT'S JUST A CONSISTENT MESSAGE I WOULD THINK.
NO, THAT, AND TO MR. SPOONER'S POINT EARLIER THAT THE DDI THE BRIDGE IS GONNA TAKE, THAT'S GONNA BE UP BRUNT OF THE INITIAL TRAFFIC AND FRANKLY BUILDING THAT FIRST, THAT'S THE CURRENT, THAT THOUGHT AND AND CONCEPT ON TIMING IS BUILDING THE BRIDGE FIRST WILL ALSO ALLOW FOR SOME MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN MOVE THE PEOPLE AS YOU NEED TO BACK AND FORTH, RIGHT? YEAH.
BETWEEN THE TWO BRIDGES YOU CAN ALTERNATE.
SO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, BUT THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'LL MAKE SURE TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TWO PROJECTS SEEMS TO BE ON THE RIGHT THERE.
SO THE, UM, THE VILLE ROAD I 64 WESTBOUND RAMP ROUNDABOUT IS ANOTHER ONE OF OUR PROJECTS THAT GLAND COUNTY IS GONNA SEE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION, PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
AND, AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S GONNA BE SOMEWHAT MAJOR CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE ARE PUTTING A SIGNAL LANE ROUNDABOUT THE TOP OF THE WESTBOUND OFF RAMP AT OLDVILLE ROAD, UM, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED BECAUSE IN THE PMP, THE TRAFFIC QUEUING ON THE 64 IS DANGEROUS.
UH, HAVING GROWN UP OFF THAT EXIT, I AM SHOCKED TO DATE HOW NOBODY'S GOTTEN KILLED AND, AND REAR ENDED AT 75 MILES AN HOUR, 80 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WORKED WITH BOTH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GETTING A GRANT THROUGH THE, UM, COMMUNITY PROJECT PROGRAM.
UH, I FORGET THE FULL NAME OF IT NOW.
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ABLE TO SECURE $4 MILLION FOR THAT THROUGH THE US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE, WHICH IS GREAT.UM, AND THEN WE ARE CURRENTLY TRACKING THE REST OF THAT THROUGH REVENUE SHARING, WHICH IS A 50 50 SPLIT.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING BEING ON THE HOOK FOR ANOTHER 1.2 ISH MILLION DOLLARS, $1.1 MILLION TO FINISH OUT THAT PROJECT.
UM, I'LL, I'LL TOUCH ON THE FUNDING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, IN, IN A FEW SLIDES, BUT THE DESIGN IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT FULLY FUNDED ON THAT.
'CAUSE THE FEDERAL DOLLARS HAVE TO BE SPENT OR EARMARKED AND ALLOCATED BY OCTOBER OF 2026.
SO VDOT WAS NOT GOING TO WAIT ON US SECURING THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
IF WE GET TO A POINT WHERE THERE'S NO FUNDING AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH FULL DESIGN, WE'LL UM, PUNT THAT AND KICK THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD, SO TO SPEAK, UM, AND TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THAT POINT.
BUT BECAUSE THE FEDERAL FUNDS HAVE THAT TIMELINE BEAT ON AND AND COUNTY STAFF, WE AGREED TO JUST MOVE FORWARD DESIGN AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS AT A DATE.
BUT WE, WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT IT'S GONNA BE A SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION BECAUSE OF OUR RELATIVE LOW ASK OF JUST NORTH OF A MILLION DOLLARS THROUGH REVENUE SHARE.
YOU USED THE TERM IT'S GONNA BE SINGLE ASK YOU SAID NO, IT'S GONNA BE A SINGLE LANE.
UM, YEAH, SO, AND WE ARE VERY MUCH CURRENTLY ON TRACK AND A BIG PIECE OF THAT CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE IS THERE'S NO RIGHT OF WAY PHASE BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE IS ALREADY SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE AT THE INTERCHANGE.
UM, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING ANY RIGHT AWAY NEEDS THERE.
SO THAT ACTUALLY SAVES ABOUT 12 OR SO MONTHS, UH, OFF THAT PROCESS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON OLDVILLE? NOPE.
DON'T EXPECT OF THIS ENTIRE THING TO BE ABSORBED.
I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A A, A FEW PIECES OF THIS.
SO THIS IS THE
SO THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING MAINTENANCE RELATED OR, OR ANY, DOESN'T INCLUDE EVERY PROJECT THAT, UH, V O'S GOT IN THEIR SIX YEAR PLAN.
THEY'RE TRACKING KIND OF THE SMALLER PROJECTS, SOME OF THE OLDER PROJECTS.
UM, I'M NOT TRACKING THINGS LIKE STUDIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS KIND OF THE BIG TICKET ITEM, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, THE ONE KEY THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, SCOTT WORK HERE, UM, IS UCHIN COUNTY'S GOT OVER OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OF ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS TO DATE, WHICH IS I THINK OUTSTANDING.
IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, THEY ARE IN AND AROUND THAT SAME NUMBER, A HUNDRED OR SO MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
WE'RE A QUARTER OF THE SIZE OF A LOT OF THOSE COUNTIES AND KNOW WE'RE A LOT SMALLER THAN A LOT OF THOSE COUNTIES.
SO THE, THE EMPHASIS THAT THE BOARD HAS PUT IN YEARS PAST AND TO DATE ON TRANSPORTATION I THINK IS HOW WE GOT HERE.
UM, I HOPE WE CONTINUE TO FILL UP THIS SPREADSHEET.
UH, YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES.
THERE'S 12 OR SO 15 FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE HAVE TO NAVIGATE FOR EACH PROJECT, WHICH IS VERY COMPLICATED, BUT IT'S, UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS IN THE PAST.
I REALLY, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO VISUALLY PROVIDE AN UPDATE FOR THE BOARD AND KIND OF WHERE PROJECTS ARE FUNDING-WISE, WHERE THE ESTIMATES ARE.
UM, THE ONLY ONE THAT REMAINS UNFUNDED IS THE OVER ROAD INTERCHANGE I JUST MENTIONED.
WE ARE CHASING THE REST OF THOSE DOLLARS CURRENTLY, UM, HOPING THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION, BUT TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT THAT WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AND I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE THAT, THAT THAT TREND.
SO THESE ARE COMMITTED FUNDS? CORRECT.
THESE ARE COMMITTED FUNDS, EITHER, EITHER LOCALLY, STATE OR FEDERALLY.
GO BACK TO A MINUTE AGO YOU SAID, UH, YOU, YOU ALL DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE YOU HAD FEDERAL FUNDING, UH, FOR THAT PROJECT AND THEN WE WOULD COME UP WITH A 1.1 MILLION AND 1.2 MILLION.
YOU FELT A LEVEL OF COMFORT IN THAT, THAT YOU COULD GET IT AT THE TIME.
AND SO WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ON THAT AND IS THAT SOMETHING THE BOARD GETS INVOLVED IN? I MEAN, WE JUST TRUST YOU TO COME UP WITH THAT MONEY AND WE WILL WRITE A BLANK CHECK SO THE, SO THE BOARD WOULD ENDORSE, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT DECISION.
SO AS PART OF ANY APPLICATION, WHETHER IT'S, I'LL GO THROUGH A REVIEW OF THE POS, REVENUE SHARE, TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES, SMART SCALE, ANY FUNDING POT, STATE, FEDERAL DOLLARS, WE NEED BOARD CONCURRENT SO TO SPEAK, A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE APPLICATION.
THE BOARD DID PROVIDE THAT FOR THE REVENUE SHARE APPLICATION AND PART OF THAT WAS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE HAVE THE MONEY.
CURRENTLY WE'RE PROCEEDING WITH DESIGN, YET WE'RE STILL SEEKING THIS ADDITIONAL 1.1, $1.2 MILLION MOVING FORWARD.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, NO, BUT THAT IS UNUSUAL.
I MEAN, THAT IS, USUALLY VDOT WON'T GET US TO APPROVE NEW PROJECT UNLESS IT'S EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE.
THE, THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT FEDERAL TIMING REQUIREMENT.
SO IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH VDOT REVENUE SHARE THAT PARTICULAR POT OF MONEY, THERE'S A SWEET SPOT FOR EVERY POT WHERE YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ASKED IS IN THAT SWEET SPOT, YOU'RE MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO GET THE FUNDS AND ROUNDABOUTS ARE ALSO THE FLAVOR OF THE MONTH, SO TO SPEAK, WITH SAFETY SCORES AND, AND WHERE PROJECTS ARE.
WE SEE A LOT OF ROUNDABOUTS GETTING FUNDED.
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THE ROUNDABOUT FOR SO MANY, BUT I GUESS I DON'T LIKE CHANGE, BUT I, THEY'RE GREAT.I SAT THERE AT THIS ONE, TWO WEEKS AGO.
I SAW A FULL SIZE TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCK NEGOTIATE AROUND THAT THING AND I SAID, I DON'T THINK HE'S GONNA MAKE IT, BUT HE DID.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, THAT BOS WELL OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND ALL RIGHT, SO, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU, IT REALLY WORKED.
JUST TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT OF HOW THIS HISTORY AND HOW THIS CAME ABOUT.
I THINK IT WAS MAYBE THURSDAY OR FRIDAY AFTERNOON WE HAD A CALL FROM OUR, OUR, OUR DELEGATE IN CONGRESS SAYING, HEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROJECTS YOU WANT FUNDED? AND WE HAD LIKE 24 HOURS TO GET IT TOGETHER.
LUCKILY AUSTIN'S HERE AND HE HAS A LIST AND KNOWS WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE.
SENT IT OFF, IT GOT COMPLETELY LEFT OFF THE FIRST ROUND AND THEN IT GOT PICKED UP IN THE SECOND ROUND AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU MONEY BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE.
SO THEN THEY CHANGED THE RULES AND WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS A PROJECT MATCH.
SO IT WAS EITHER WE LOSE THE 4 MILLION AND SORT OF HEDGE OUR BETTS THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH THE 1.2.
AND EVEN IF WE DON'T GET THE REVENUE SHARE, THEN THAT THIS BOARD GETS INVOLVED TO SAY, OKAY, WELL WE'VE GOT CBTA LOCAL FUNDS THAT WE CAN USE TOWARDS IF THERE'S OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, WHICH GIVES ME A QUESTION FOR AUSTIN, BUT WHAT CAN THE BOARD BE DOING? I KNOW WITH, UM, THE DDI, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND YOUR TEAM DID A GREAT JOB.
WE GOT LETTERS FROM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR LEADERS, OUR CONGRESS FOLKS, BUSINESS OWNERS IN SUPPORT.
DO YOU KNOW IF THE REVENUE SHARE, THERE'S A PUBLIC INPUT, UM, LIKE A PRIORITIZATION THAT UM, WE SHOULD OR COULD BE ENGAGING BUSINESSES, CITIZENS.
SO IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME PROCESS AS SMART SCALE SMART SCALE'S, ITS OWN BEAST SO TO SPEAK, WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF INPUT.
I ACTUALLY FOUND OUT YESTERDAY THAT BOTH REVENUE SHARING AND THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES PROGRAM FUNDING TIMELINES ARE THE EXACT SAME.
WE'LL FIND OUT THE INITIAL SCORING AND FUNDING SCENARIOS IN, IN THE FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME.
SO WE'RE EXPECTING SOME TIME IN FEBRUARY TO FIND OUT IF WE SCORED WELL OR NOT.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE STILL IS THAT TIME BETWEEN FEBRUARY AND JUNE WHEN VDOT RELEASES THEIR DRAFT SIX YEAR PLAN, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE DOLLARS FOR THE PROJECTS THAT WERE SUCCESSFUL THROUGH THESE POTS.
UM, THAT IN THAT TIMEFRAME, FEBRUARY, JUNE, WE CERTAINLY COULD CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS MUCH LIKE WE DID THROUGH SMART SCALE.
UM, I AM CONFIDENT THAT IT WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION, BUT YOU DO NEVER KNOW.
I KNOW WE WERE READY WITH BACHELOR ROAD PIECE BECAUSE WE WERE ASKING FOR $42 MILLION THROUGH SMART SCALE AND PROBABLY DIDN'T THINK AT LEAST EMPIRICALLY IT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO WE KNEW WE KIND OF HAD TO HAVE THAT READY.
BUT I THINK IT'S, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A GOOD IDEA TO BE PREPARED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND THE OTHER COMMENT I MAKE IS GOING BACK TO YOUR POINT AUSTIN, ABOUT THE 103 MILLION.
SO IT'S CHARLIE'S KIND OF COMMENT EARLIER AND FOR, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT FOR OUR BOARD TO REALIZE THE, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH VDOT GOING FORWARD.
AND THERE'S TWO, TWO FACTORS OF THIS.
UM, WE, UH, SINCE AUSTIN'S COME ON BOARD, WE'VE MADE LEAPS AND BOUNDS IN TRANSPORTATION.
AUSTIN'S POSITION WASN'T FUNDED UNTIL 2021 WHEN THERE WAS ONE PREDECESSOR BEFOREHAND, I THINK IT WAS 20 19, 20 IT CAME BACK IN COVID.
SO THE POINT IS, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CONSIDERING IS ADMINISTERING OUR OWN PROJECTS.
SO THE SIDEBAR PROJECT OVER HERE IS OUR FIRST ATTEMPT AT THAT.
RIGHT? BUT IF WE'RE NOT ADMINISTERING OUR PROJECTS, EVEN IF WE ARE, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH VDOT IS CRITICAL.
WHEN I GOT ON THE BOARD BECAUSE OF SOME SUBDIVISIONS WHERE PEOPLE BACKED OUT, WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO BUILD ROADS BECAUSE OF COST OVERRUNS.
THE RELATIONSHIP WAS, LET'S SAY, 'CAUSE WE'RE ON CAMERA STRAINED AT BEST.
UM, WE'VE WORKED REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HARD TO GET IT TO.
I THINK WE'VE GOT A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH VA ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO OTHER LOCALITIES.
SO IT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL FOR US AS A BOARD TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE.
SO WE HAVE OUR MEETINGS WITH, WE HAVE QUARTERLY MEETING WITH VAT NOW THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE.
SO WE GET TOGETHER, WE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT ATTENDANCE AND SUPPORT OF THOSE TO SHOW THAT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD CUSTOMERS IS GONNA BE CRITICAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS JUST ON THESE PROJECTS AS A WHOLE? ALSO THAT, UM, WE JUST LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE HERE.
SO YOU GOT 103 I A HUNDRED THREE SEVENTY SIX IS THE BIG ONE, DBI AND THE REST OF THEM ARE, UH, TOTAL MILK AROUND 25 LATER SEVEN PLUS OR MINUS.
BUT FOR THE NEW BOARD AND FOR US, THE FUNDING SOURCES, IF I LOOK AT THE FUNDING SOURCES, THE TOP ONE GENERAL FUND IS LOCAL, THE BOTTOM ONE, CBT LOCAL IS LOCAL.
SO THE COUNTY'S TAKEN IN ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION OUTTA A HUNDRED, 400, 3 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS.
SO WE'RE GETTING PRETTY GOOD LEVERAGE ON OUR DOLLAR.
UM, AGAIN, THE VAST MAJORITY IS GOING THAT ONE PROJECT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AROUND THAT AND WE'RE STILL GETTING OUR LOCAL CONTRIBUTIONS FAIRLY MODEST IN AGAIN, KUDOS TO TO AUSTIN FOR BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, ACCESS ALL THOSE OTHER MONEY THAT ARE OUTSIDE OUR JURISDICTION.
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YEAH, WE ARE HOPING AND AND THE NEXT SLIDE I'LL KIND OF, I'M HOPING TO FILL IN THIS SPREADSHEET, MAYBE NOT THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE THIS'S QUITE A FEW ROWS, BUT HOUSTON COUNTY'S I THINK GONNA HAVE A LOT OF TRANSPORTATION CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS.AND THAT'S CERTAINLY, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PRIORITIES.
THE BIG TICKET ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PRIORITIES FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, H ASHLAND ROAD OILVILLE, UM, THE FAIRGROUND EXTENSION PROJECT.
WE'RE SLOWLY KNOCKING SOME OF THESE OFF AND WE'RE ACTUALLY AT A POINT WHERE THE CONSULTANT BROUGHT ON BOARD FOR SMART SCALE IS HELPING US.
AND I'LL FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE NOW KIND OF THIS IS LOOKING FORWARD FOR OUR FUTURE APPLICATIONS OR PLANNED APPLICATIONS, BUT THE CONSULTANT WE HAVE ON BOARD FOR THE SMART SCALE APPLICATION ASSISTANCE IS ALSO LOOKING AT, I'VE GIVEN THEM OUR PRIORITY LIST THAT I'M KIND OF HAVE INTERNALLY OLD CIP LISTS THAT WE HAVE FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AND SAYING WHERE, WHAT PROJECTS ARE GOOD FITS FOR WHAT FUNDING POTS.
SO WE'RE ALMOST GONNA REVAMP OUR PRIORITY LIST, GETTING A THIRD PARTY TO TAKE A LOOK AT MY VERSION OF THE PRIORITY LIST TO SEE AM I ON TRACK HERE, WHAT CORRECTIONS NEED TO BE MADE AND SO ON.
BUT WE ARE AT A GOOD POINT WITH A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF BIG TICKET ITEMS, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO DO THE WORK TO THEN BACKFILL AND DO A LOT MORE DUE DILIGENCE ON THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
THREE SHOP ROAD RECONNECTION IS ONE OF OUR LAST ONE UNQUOTE BIG TICKET ITEMS THAT IT'S GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO.
SO THE THREE SHOP ROAD RECONNECTION IS REALLY, IT'S JUST THAT WHERE 2 88 WAS BUILT AND DISCONNECTED.
THREE CHOS IN OPPOSITE SHORT, UM, IN THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY, UH, WHERE DRIVE SHACK IS.
SO THREE CHOPPED ROAD USED TO IT CURRENTLY CUL-DE-SACS COMING OFF OF ASHLAND ROAD ALL THE WAY TO 2 88.
IT USED TO GO THROUGH THERE, GO WHERE DRIVE SHACK IS AND COME TO IN AND AROUND THE AREA WHERE THE SIGNAL AT WAWA IS.
THAT'S ABOUT WHERE THREE CHOP ROAD USED TO END.
UM, SO WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO TUNNEL UNDER 2 88 AS AS CUMBERSOME AS THAT SOUNDS AND IT SOUNDS EXPENSIVE AND IT IS
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE REALLY ANTICIPATING AND LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING.
I KNOW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS ASKING WHEN CAN WE GET THAT FUNDED BECAUSE THAT OPENS UP A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES AND CURRENTLY PLAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
UM, SO, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT THE CONSULTANT REALLY AT.
YES, WE BROUGHT THEM ON BOARD TO HELP US WITH SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS TO DO A LOT OF THAT DUE DILIGENCE.
BUT I'M MORE EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE OUTLOOK BECAUSE I'VE PLANNED ON APPLICATIONS THROUGH 2025.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE 2023 CYCLE.
THE NEXT ONES THAT I'VE CIRCLED ARE THE 2024 CYCLE WHERE I'VE PLANNED ON HAVING, UM, THESE APPLICATIONS READY FOR THOSE TWO POTS, WHICH ARE THE ONLY TWO POTS NEXT YEAR.
BUT THEN WHEN WE GET TO 20 26, 20 27, 20 28 IS WE START BUILDING THIS OUT ONE YEAR AT A TIME.
THAT'S WHAT I'M EXPECTING TO GET BACK FROM THAT CONSULTANT IS WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHAT PROJECTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR WHAT POTS? WE'VE GOT SMALLER PROJECTS LIKE HARDWELL ROAD AND BROAD, THAT'S BEEN A PRIORITY FOR SOME TIME THAT I DON'T, I HAVE A FEELING I KNOW WHAT POTS IT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR, BUT WHAT'S THE TRUE COST OF THAT? WHAT IS WITH ALL THE THINGS THE COST HAVE GONE THROUGH RECENTLY.
SO HOPING TO GET SOME REALLY GOOD DATA BACK FROM OUR CONSULTANT ON THAT.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL START FILLING THIS OUT AND INSTEAD OF A THREE YEAR CYCLE, WE'LL HAVE A SIX YEAR PLAN OR A FIVE YEAR OUTLOOK ON, ON APPLICATIONS FOR THE FUTURE.
YOU GOT A COUPLE OF ACRONYMS UP THERE? MAYBE SOME OF THE NEW FOLKS IN THE CAN GO THROUGH ALL THE ACRONYMS. ABSOLUTELY.
UM, SO SGR IS CALLED THE STATE OF GOOD REPAIR.
IT IS A MOSTLY BRIDGE RELATED FUNDING PROGRAM.
UM, IT IS ONE THAT USED TO HAVE AN APPLICATION CYCLE BUT ACTUALLY DOESN'T ANYMORE.
WHAT VDOT DOES IS THEY LOOK AT ALL THE BRIDGES IN THE COMMONWEALTH OR OR BY DISTRICT AND THEY DETERMINE WHICH ONES ARE THROUGH AN INSPECTION PROCESS.
UM, STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT IS THE PHRASE I BELIEVE THAT'S, THAT'S USED.
WE HAVE ONE STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT BRIDGE IN THE COUNTY.
IT'S WHITEHALL ROAD, UM, OVER WHITEHALL CREEK.
AND VDOT DID SUBMIT THAT FOR FUNDING.
UM, 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY NOW PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH BRIDGES GO INTO THE FUNDING PROGRAM.
THEY HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH US AND WE DID SAY WE WOULD LIKE WHITEHALL ROAD TO BE SUBMITTED PLEASE.
SO NOW WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT OTHER AVENUES TO GET THAT FUNDED BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO FIRE RESPONSE TIMES 'CAUSE OF THE WEIGHT LIMIT ON THAT BRIDGE.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
THAT'S YOUR PROCESS OF DECIDING THESE PROJECTS AND PRIORITIZING THEM AND MM-HMM.
I'M SURE IT'S MULTIFACETED BASED ON FUNDING AND
IT'S GOT SOME OF THE ACRONYMS, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.
UM, THE THREE REGIONAL BODIES ON TOP PLAN RVA ARE RTBO OR THE RICHMOND REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION.
AND THEN CBTA HAVE TWO DOCUMENTS, SO TO SPEAK, THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
SO THOSE ARE PLANNING LEVEL DOCUMENTS THAT SAY TRANSPORTATION
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PRIORITIES MOVING FORWARD.IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WE WERE, UM, VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN, AND MR. LUMPKINS WAS INVOLVED IN THROUGH THE RTPO WITH THEIR LONG PLAN.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY GETTING READY TO REWRITE THAT, EVEN THOUGH WE JUST FINISHED.
ONCE YOU FINISH, YOU START REWRITING IT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA, WE CERTAINLY WANNA BE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THAT AGAIN.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
WE HAVE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS THAT DICTATE AND, AND RECOMMEND VARIOUS TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
UM, THE HOCK ROAD REALIGNMENT, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDATION YEARS AGO, SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND THOSE ARE THE, THE TYPES OF DOCUMENTS WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE TO PROVE WE NEED THE PROJECT.
WE CAN'T SAY VDOT, I'D SURE LIKE $5 MILLION TO, TO PUT A SIGNAL HERE.
THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, WHY? WHERE'S YOUR NEED? WHERE'S THE DATA? WHERE'S YOUR STUDY? RIGHT.
SO WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO DO THOSE STUDIES.
THERE'S BROAD REGIONAL STUDIES THAT HAVE PUBLIC INPUT OPTIONS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE LOCAL STUDIES, LIKE I MENTIONED, THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE COMP PLAN WHERE THOSE, UM, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MORE GRANULAR, GMAN COUNTY SPECIFIC AND, AND DO GET A LOT OF THAT CITIZEN FEEDBACK.
SO TO KIND OF, TO MAKE IT REAL FOR ON OUR SIDE OF THE TABLE, YOU'RE GONNA GET INPUT FROM CITIZENS AND YOU'RE GONNA GET STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
STAFF'S GONNA LOOK AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK WE CAN GO AFTER.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BOARD HELPS STAFF PRIORITIZE, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT THE ORDER OF THE LIST IS.
AND UM, BUT IT REALLY COMES HEAVILY WITH THE STAFF, UH, INPUT AND CONSIDER PROCESS CAN EXPLAIN, WELL, WE CAN GO FOR THIS, BUT IT'S, HERE'S WHY WE DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA SCORE WELL.
SO THERE'S INFLUENCE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT COMES UP TO BOARD TO DECIDE WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE.
YEAH, AND JUST TO DOVETAIL ON THAT, UM, ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS OR ONE OF THE, UH, WAYS FOR ME ANYWAY, TO FIGURE OUT PRIORITIES IS TO GO TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, GET, ENLIST THE ACCIDENTS AND SEE WHERE THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS ARE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT TOP 10 LIST AND TRY TO ADDRESS THE TOP ONE SO THAT IT GOES AWAY.
THEN EVERYTHING MOVES UP AND SEE YOU'RE ADDRESSING YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS NUMBER ONE.
THE SECOND ONE IS INCONVENIENCE.
2 88 BACKS UP FOR MILES AND MILES AND THAT'S NOBODY'S, YOU KNOW, BEST FRIEND.
SO IT, IT VDOT DOES LIKE TO KEEP TRAFFIC MOVING ALSO.
SO THERE'S PUBLIC SAFETY AND THEN THERE'S THE GRIDLOCK ASPECTS.
ALSO, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASPECT OF IT SEEMS TO ME, BECAUSE HELP ME WITH THIS FREE TOP EXTENSION, IT OPENS UP 500 ACRES OF VDOT, HELP ME WITH THIS.
VDOT WILL WILL NOT APPROVE FUNDS.
THEY, THEY DO IN CERTAIN POTS.
SMART SCALES, VERY FULL THINKING MORE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER POTS.
REVENUE SHARE IS REALLY SIMPLE.
IT'S MOST OF THE TIME THE PROJECTS ARE, UNLESS IT'S EXORBITANTLY EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THERE'S A $10 MILLION CAP ON REVENUE SHARE.
UM, IF YOU ACT THE CASH, IF YOU HAVE YOUR 50%, CHANCES ARE THEY'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THEIR 50%.
SO YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH, THAT'S ALMOST A SPEND ON WHATEVER YOU WANT, KIND OF POT SMART SCALE IS VERY FUTURE.
YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE SO NOW FUTURE LOOKING AND LOOKING AT FUTURE CONGESTION, FUTURE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL.
SO THAT IS ALL THE VARIOUS POTS KIND OF LOOK AT DIFFERENT THINGS.
TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES IS JUST THAT.
IT'S LOOKING AT BIKE, PET FACILITIES, RECREATIONAL TRANSPORTATION, FACILITIES LIKE TRAILS, BIKEWAYS, UM, SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THOSE ARE VERY NICHE PROJECTS THAT AREN'T GONNA HAVE THE SAME BENEFITS FOR EVEN CONGESTION OR ACCIDENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S ABOUT FILLING GAPS ON SIDEWALKS OR PROVIDING RECREATION.
AND SO MUCH OF THAT IS, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, WHO'S AT THE TOP, THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, RIGHT? SO PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, ALL BY PATHS, WALKING TRAILS, CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, VERY, VERY FOCUSED.
SAFETY'S NUMBER ONE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS NUMBER TWO.
OUR GOVERNOR DOESN'T LIKE TO KEEP LOSING NORTH CAROLINA.
AND WE DO HAVE TO KEEP REGIONAL.
UM, OKAY, SO I JUST LOVE THE IDEA THAT Y'ALL, Y'ALL, THE STAFF COMES TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE DON'T ON ZONING CASES.
SO I THINK YOU HEARD IS THAT, THAT THE NEED FOR PROJECTS AND THE WARRANT OF PROJECTS IS GONNA BE STAFFED, BUT THEN THE PRIORITIZATION IS WHERE THE BOARD HAS REAL IMPACT AND WOULD OF COURSE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THINGS, HOW'S IMPACTING YOUR CITIZENS, WHETHER THAT'S BY DATA OR, OR WHAT PEOPLE ARE TELLING THEM.
RIGHT? WE HAD A LOT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WORKSHOPS THAT KIND OF HOW WE GOT HERE.
THAT STAFF CAME FORWARD WITH A LIST, AND I BELIEVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS.
AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION AS FAR AS WHAT PROJECTS MAKE SENSE, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES.
BUT THEN I THINK MR. SPIN TOUCHED ON A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS ALSO WHAT PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE FOR WHAT POT OF MONEY.
SO IF WHAT'S THEIR TIMEFRAME? YEAH.
SO IF WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S PRIORITY NUMBER ONE, TAKE ASHLAND ROAD, IT'S A 76 MILLION PROJECT.
WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH REVENUE SHARE.
IT'S NOT A TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE.
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'CAUSE IT'S NOT BIKE, IT'S NOT A BIKE PATH.BUT ONE, IT'S SMART SCALE OR WE SOMEHOW COME UP WITH $80 MILLION ON OUR OWN AND WRITE A CHECK.
UM, SO WHEN YOU TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL, IT CHANGES THIS BECAUSE THE, WHEN ROUTE 2 88 SOUTHBOUND AUXILIARY LANE, WHICH IS NEAR THE BOTTOM HERE FOR REVENUE SHARE AND CBTA, IT'S GONNA BE EXPENSIVE.
ANYTHING ON ROUTE TWO 80 EIGHT'S GONNA BE EXPENSIVE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNIFICANT CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND SO ON.
UM, ARE THE ROUTE 2 88 PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, LESS IMPORTANT THAN, UH, WINDING OR DOING
BUT IT'S ABOUT WHAT POT IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR AND HOW THEY FALL.
'CAUSE NOT EVERY POT'S, EVERY YEAR, CBTA IS EVERY OTHER YEAR SMART SCALES EVERY OTHER YEAR.
UM, TPO IS ONE OF THE FEW THAT IS EVERY YEAR.
SO IS THE PROTECTIVE BENEFIT TIMES OF PROBABILITY OF SUCCESS
IT'S NOT GONNA GET OBSCURED OR LOST.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M ALWAYS NOT TWEAKING OR CHANGING THE PRIORITY LIST.
BUT THE, I I'VE USED THIS PHRASE BEFORE AND IT CAME UP A LOT WITH, UM, BOTH THE PROJECT ROCKY REZONING AND THEN, UH, THROUGH A COUPLE OTHER CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD RECENTLY WITH SOME DEVELOPERS THAT WERE ALWAYS ONE REZONING CASE AWAY FROM HAVING A NEW TRANSPORTATION PRIORITY.
IF THE D BOROUGH, DDI WAS A PRIORITY, BUT IT BECAME THE ONLY PRIORITY ONCE PROJECT ROCKY WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
AND THAT WAS KIND OF PART OF THE CONVERSATION THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESSES, WE HAVE TO FOCUS ALL OF OUR EFFORTS ON GETTING THIS ONE PROJECT FUNDED.
AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THAT.
UM, THAT BECAME, WE PRETTY MUCH, WE DIDN'T KICK EVERYTHING ELSE ASIDE, BUT THAT WAS A LOT OF THE FOCUS.
I KNOW STAFF, MYSELF INCLUDED, SPENT QUITE A LOT OF TIME ON HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CTP MEMBER AND, AND PULLING ALL THE DATA THAT HE REQUESTED TOGETHER TO GET THAT FUNDING.
IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT RIGID IN THAT WE KNOW WHAT OUR PRIORITY LISTS ARE, BUT LIKE WE ARE ONE REZONING CASE OR ONE MAJOR REALLY INCIDENT FROM CHANGING THE NARRATIVE AND SAYING, HEY, LOOK, ALL OF A SUDDEN, CARDWELL BROUGHT TOP OF THE LIST BECAUSE WE'VE HAD 30 ACCIDENTS THIS YEAR, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON IT'S NOW A COMPLETELY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
WELL, THAT'S ON THE LIST, BUT IT COULD BE NUMBER EIGHT.
BUT WE'RE ALWAYS ONE INSTANCE OR ONE SCENARIO FROM CHANGING THE LIST KIND OF OVERNIGHT, SO TO SPEAK.
WELL, I DON'T SEE THE
IT'S, IT'S A PRIORITY THAT, UH, THE DOOR'S NOT CLOSED ON THAT.
UM, THAT IS ONE THING THAT I KEEP HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH MADONNA ON, AND IT'S NOT CLOSED.
YOU SAID A BRIDGE, BRIDGE THAT PROJECT WANNA EXPLAIN THAT PROJECT GOLAND.
SO GLAND COUNTY'S HAD A LONG GLAND COUNTY'S HAD A LONG PLAN TO, AND THIS WAS CONCEPTUALIZE I THINK EVEN WHEN 2 88 WAS DESIGNED THAT RIDGEFIELD PARKWAY AND HENRICO COUNTY WERE AT DEAD ENDS AT TUCKAHOE CREEK WOULD CONNECT TO TUCKAHOE CREEK PARKWAY.
TUCKO CREEK PARKWAY WAS WHEN IT WAS FIRST DESIGNED RIDGEFIELD PARKWAY.
IT WAS AN EXTENSION OF RIDGEFIELD PARKWAY.
UM, THAT'S WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE NAMED LOOKING AT THE 1995 LANDS.
I THINK THAT TIMMONS DID, UM, AS A PART OF THE KINLOCK DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE WERE VARIOUS THINGS THAT LED TO US NOT MAKING THAT CONNECTION, UH, MOSTLY POLITICAL.
AND THAT BOARD MEMBER'S NO LONGER WITH IN ARCO COUNTY, SHE DECIDED TO RETIRE.
UM, THAT I'M HOPING THERE'S SOME NEW CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD THERE, BECAUSE IT IS, I BELIEVE IN EVERYBODY'S BEST INTEREST.
I KNOW VDOT WANTS IT TO HAPPEN.
GOLAND COUNTY WANTS IT TO HAPPEN.
IT OPENS UP A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR US.
UM, THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS SAYING RIGHT NOW WANTS IT TO HAPPEN.
THEY HAVEN'T SAID THAT THEY'VE GONE THAT FAR, BUT A LOT OF THE HURDLES ARE SLOWLY GETTING REMOVED TO THAT, I THINK.
RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S THE EMERGENCY ROOM IN GLAND THAT COULD VERY WELL BECOME A FULL-BLOWN HOSPITAL IF THE NEED WAS THERE.
AND JUST ACROSS THAT GAP, IS IT FOUR OR FIVE NURSING HOMES? AND WHEN THEY HAVE CARDIOVASCULAR EVENTS OR STROKE OUTS, THEY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO GET TO THAT EMERGENCY ROOM.
IT'S A HALF AN HOUR VERSUS TWO MINUTES.
YOU COULD SAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF LIVES POTENTIALLY FROM THAT, THAT HOSPITAL WOULD PROBABLY IN SHORT ORDER APPEAR IF THERE WAS THAT KIND OF A NEED.
THAT'S PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION.
WE HAVE DONE SURVEYS IN THE PAST.
UM, IT TURNS OUT CITIZENS ON BOTH SIDES WOULD LIKE IT.
IT TURNS OUT THE BUSINESSES ON BOTH SIDES WOULD LIKE IT.
IT TURNS OUT THE POLITICIANS ON ONE SIDE WOULD LIKE IT AND BE, THAT WILL NOT BUILD A BRIDGE BETWEEN TWO JURISDICTIONS UNLESS BOTH JURISDICTIONS ARE ON BOARD.
AND IT'S, TO ADD TO THE COMPLEXITY OF IT IS VDOT WON'T BUILD A BRIDGE BECAUSE IT'S BETWEEN TWO JURISDICTIONS, BUT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE HENRICO COUNTY MAINTAINS THE ROAD ROADS.
SO RIDGEFIELD PARKWAY'S NOT A VDOT MAINTAINED ROAD, IT'S NOT A VDOT FACILITY, IT'S AN ENRICO COUNTY FACILITY.
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AND IT WILL BE COMPLEX.IT IS NOT GONNA BE A SIMPLE PROJECT BY ANY MEANS.
THERE'S, WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA BUILD A BRIDGE AND WALK AWAY.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF SIGNAL RETIS, THERE'S IMPACTS TO RIDGEFIELD PARKWAY, PUMP ROAD, LAUDERDALE, ALL OF THOSE ROADS IN ENRICO.
NOW, IN THE MEANTIME, A LOT OF THAT TRAFFIC THAT HAS TO GO OUT AND AROUND IS BEING DUMPED ON BROAD AND SIX.
AND THERE'S REQUESTS FROM THOSE JURISDICTIONS TO WIDEN THOSE ROADS TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AS FAR AS IF YOU BUILD THE BRIDGE, FIX IT.
THERE HAVE BEEN, THAT'S SOME LOGIC.
NOW YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS STUDIES CONDUCTED BY BO DOWN IN HENRICO COUNTY THAT RECOMMEND THAT CONNECTION.
UM, TO DATE IT HAS NOT HAPPENED.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY IT HASN'T, BUT I THINK THE DOOR'S NOT SHUT.
AND IT'S CERTAINLY BOOST THE COUNTY WANT A DESIRE.
WE HAVE FOUR OUT OF FIVE NEW IN ENRICO.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN SOME TURNOVER ON BOARDS THAT'S PROBABLY A PREREQUISITE TO THIS.
I WAS CHAIR OF THE PDC, WHICH IS NOW PLAN RVA, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND THERE WAS SOME MONEY FOUR YEARS OUT TO DO A STUDY TO SEE IF IT MADE SENSE.
AND THE MOTION WAS MADE BY ONE OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO REMOVE THAT MONEY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW IF IT MADE SENSE.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN WANT THE STUDY.
AND THEY SAID, IF YOU BUILD IT, IT'S GONNA BE A HIGH ARCHING BRIDGE.
UNLIKE THE ROUTE SIX BRIDGE OVER TUCKO CREEK, WHICH IS PERFECTLY FLAT.
AND THEY SAID, BUT IF YOU BUILD IT, 40,000 VEHICLES WILL USE THAT THING.
IT'LL JUST BE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THE CITIZENS WANT THAT BRIDGE? IS THAT, YOU KNOW,
SORRY, WE, WE PERSONALLY, WHEN THEY SAID NO, WE FUNDED IT, WE DID THE STUDY AND LIKE I SAID, RECOS FUNDED THEIR OWN STUDIES THAT ALSO RECOMMEND THIS.
A BROAD STREET CORRIDOR STUDY RECOMMENDED IT A, THE GATE ROAD INTERCHANGE STUDY RECOMMENDED IT.
AND SOME OF THE 10, SOME OF THE 10,000 RELATIONSHIP WE NEED TO DEVELOP.
UH, PART OF THE 10,000 PEOPLE WHO GO TO WORK IN WEST CREEK, MOST OF THE CAP WATER OR CARMAX WOULD LIVE ACROSS THAT AND COULD GO HOME FIVE MINUTES FOR LUNCH AND COME BACK INSTEAD OF GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND YOUR WHOLE LUNCH HOURS ON THE, THE IS SPENT ON THE ROAD.
SO THE BUSINESSES THERE WOULD, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, THAT'S ENOUGH FOR THAT.
UM, JUST AS LONG AS WE KEEP IT ON THE LIST, IT IS ON THE PRIORITY LIST, BUT IT IS NOT, UM, IT'S KIND OF IN THE GRAY OUT AREA THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANYTHING ON PRINT.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S ON THE LIST, BUT IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO BE REALISTIC ANY, AT LEAST ANYTIME CURRENTLY.
UM, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW IT, THERE COULD BE NEW SENTIMENT TOMORROW WITH NEW BOARD MEMBERS GETTING SWORN IN ENRICO COUNTY AND BOOM, WE HAVE A NEW PRIORITY.
SO LIKE I SAID, WE'RE ALWAYS KIND OF ONE THING AWAY.
ONE ONE DOMINO FROM FALLING, FROM HAVING A NEW TRANSPORTATION PRIORITY.
SO, UM, SO BACK TO THIS SLIDE.
UM, WE HAVE THE REGIONAL BODIES UP TOP THAT I MENTIONED, AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE FORM AT LEAST REGIONALLY PRIORITIES.
AND THEN WE GOT EACH COUNTY AND CITY HAS THEIR OWN PRIORITIES WITHIN THAT, THAT HELP BUILD A REGIONAL PLAN.
UM, A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS HAVE TO BE IN THESE REGIONAL DOCUMENTS TO GET FEDERAL DOLLARS, STATE DOLLARS AND SO ON.
UM, WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING WITH CONSULTANTS.
I MENTIONED ONE THAT WE HAVE ON BOARD, ONE OF OUR ON CALLS FOR THE SMART SCALE APPLICATION ASSISTANCE AND THEN ALSO DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE FOR, UM, FOR THOSE FUTURE APPLICATIONS.
KIND OF FIGURING OUT WHAT'S GONNA BE ELIGIBLE FOR FOR EACH POT.
UM, WE ALSO USE THEM TIME AND TIME, UH, TIME AND AGAIN FOR STUDIES, UM, WHETHER WE NEED A FAIR GROUND CORRIDOR STUDY.
WHILE THAT WAS DONE THROUGH VDOT, THEY UTILIZED A CONSULTANT.
WE'RE GONNA, I HAD PROPOSED TO THE BOARD TO UTILIZE A CONSULTANT TO, TO LOOK AT SOME SIDEWALKS.
WE'RE GONNA PUNT THAT FOR NOW.
BUT UM, ANYTIME WE NEED A STUDY DONE, WE'RE GONNA IMMEDIATE ATTORNEY CONSULTANT.
SO WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH 'EM.
AND THEN V DDOT, MRS, YOU DID TOUCH ON IT, THAT I DO FEEL WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH
WE ARE WORKING ON MEETING WITH THEM MONTHLY TO DISCUSS MAINTENANCE ITEMS. WE MEET QUARTERLY TO DISCUSS BIG PICTURE THINGS AND I'M ALWAYS ABLE TO JUST CALL UP, UH, ANY ONE OF THE FOLKS AT THE ACTUAL RESIDENCY, WHICH IS OUR RESIDENCY RESPONSIBLE FOR GOLAND COUNTY TO, TO CALL UP AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT ANY PROJECT.
I ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT, UH, BOTH H ROAD AND OLDVILLE YESTERDAY, JUST PICKING UP THE PHONE.
AND CALLED PHILLIP, WHO'S BEEN ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING.
UM, AND THEN A BIG THING THAT VDOT DOES OFFER EVERY LOCALITY, AND WE HAVE UTILIZED THIS A LOT IN THE PAST AND I CERTAINLY HOPE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT, IS WHAT'S CALLED PRES SCOPING.
YOU CAN SUBMIT, HEY, WE'RE GONNA SUBMIT THIS APPLICATION FOR SMART SCALE.
WELL NOW WOULD BE THE TIME BECAUSE THE APPLICATIONS DON'T OPEN UNTIL NEXT YEAR TO SUBMIT WHAT'S CALLED A PRES SCOPING APPLICATION.
SO YOU LOOK AT, THEY LOOK AT ELIGIBILITY AND YOU KNOW, OH, IF YOU SHORTEN THE SCOPE AND BRING THE COST DOWN, YOU THINK YOU'D BE IN THE SWEET SPOT.
SO BEFORE YOU DO A LOT OF THE HARD WORK AND GET THESE ESTIMATES AND CONCEPT DRAWINGS, IT'S, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING, BROAD, 10,000 FOOT LEVEL BEFORE WE GET DOWN TO 5,000 OR 2000 FOOT LEVEL, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH VDOT TO DETERMINE IS THIS A GOOD APPLICATION? ARE WE WASTING OUR TIME? SHOULD WE CHANGE THE SCOPE TO GET EXTRA POINTS
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HERE AND HERE? OR DO WE SHAVE THE SCOPE TO SAVE SOME MONEY TO BE ABLE TO SCORE WELL? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LIKE, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE UTILIZED IN THE PAST.WE DO HOPE TO CONTINUE TO UTILIZE WITH THEM.
BUT AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO THE WORK RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH BOTH THE ACTUAL RESIDENCY FOLKS, BUT ALSO AT THE DISTRICT AND THEIR PLANNING STAFF.
'CAUSE ALL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAPPENED WITH THE PLANNING STAFF.
AND WE HAVE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT UPCOMING SMART SCALE, UM, THE ROUTE 2 88 PROJECTS THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO SUBMIT, UM, IN 2024, THE 3 2 88 PROJECTS.
AND THEN WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT WIDENING NOW THAT, UM, IT'S OFFICIAL PROJECT ROCKY'S, UM, HIT AND PAUSE.
SO WE MAY HAVE TO FIND A FOURTH APPLICATION FOR THAT.
BUT UM, THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION WITH VDOT.
SO I ANTICIPATE HAVING A LOT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND THEN REALLY, UH, FUTURE TOPICS.
I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES WHERE VDOT CAN COME IN AND EDUCATE NOT ONLY MYSELF BUT THE BOARD.
ONE THING I THINK WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IS HOPEFULLY WHERE SMART SCALE GETS UNDERWAY, VDOT HAS WHAT'S CALLED ERAN.
IT'S A PORTAL THAT VDOT USES THAT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED NEEDS ACROSS THE STATE.
AND IF WE DON'T HIT ONE OF THOSE NEEDS, SO TO SPEAK, UM, THE PROJECT ISN'T GONNA BE ELIGIBLE FOR LIKE A SMART SCALE OR ANY OF YOUR MAJOR FUNDING PODS.
SO EDUCATING, COMING IN AND HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE BOARD AND AND MYSELF ABOUT VRAN AND WHAT THE NEEDS ARE IN THE COUNTY.
ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS THAT WE WOULD HAVE? WE THINK WE HAVE A NEED HERE, BUT IT'S NOT REPRESENTED.
SO WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN A BIG PIECE THAT I WAS HOPING TO TOUCH ON TODAY TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, BUT I NEED SOME MORE TIME TO REALLY DIGEST AND AND TALK TO MY COUNTERPARTS IN OTHER COUNTIES IS SMART SCALE CHANGE.
THE INITIAL FEEDBACK IS THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND CONGESTION.
THE INITIAL RUN THROUGH, THEY TOOK ROUND FIVE, WHICH WAS THIS LAST ROUND, AND USED THE NEW CRITERIA AND APPLIED IT TO SEE WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED.
AND DID A WHAT IF THERE'S A CHANCE WE COULD'VE GONE FOUR FOR FOUR, IF WE'D USED THE NEW SCORING IN ROUND FIVE, WE COULD'VE GOTTEN FOUR PROJECT WE GOT PICKED UP ON THE ECONOMICS, RIGHT? SO RIGHT.
IT'S REALLY PICKING UP ON THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THEN FUTURE CONGESTION WHERE ASHLAND ROAD WOULD'VE SCORED EMPIRICALLY INSTEAD OF HAVING TO HAVE ALL THE POLITICAL CONVERSATIONS IN IN THE BACK ROOM, WE WOULD'VE SCORED UP FRONT UPFRONT TO GET THE MONEY OR 2 88 PROJECTS WE'RE EXPECTING NOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE LARGE ASKS 'CAUSE THEY'RE EXPENSES BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND FUTURE CONGESTION OUTLOOKS.
SO WE'RE MAYBE THAT DOES PUT THE BRIDGE HIGHER.
THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE THE WHOLE HENRICO COUNTY CONVERSATION.
UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M SAYING YOU'RE THAT HURDLE SAYING, BUT I CERTAINLY, UM, AGREE WITH THAT.
SO STAFF'S GONNA HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT WORKSHOP BE ABLE TO, AS WE TALK ABOUT SMART SCALE AND THAT GETS UNDERWAY, REALLY BE ABLE TO GIVE A DETAILED ANALYSIS, SO TO SPEAK, OF WHAT, UM, WHAT THAT NEW SCORING CRITERIA MEANS FOR US.
AND THAT POPS IN THE NEXT ROUND.
SO THAT'LL BE ROUND SIX, WHICH IS 2024.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, SEEING WHAT THAT IS.
AND THEN ALSO JUST CONTINUING APPLICATION SCORING AND FUNDING SCENARIO.
SO MENTIONED WE'LL HAVE AN IDEA FOR REVENUE SHARING TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES IN FEBRUARY.
SO I'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH THEM, KIND OF WHERE WE STAND ON THAT.
BUT THEN AS WE ALL GO THROUGH CCBT A SCORING, UH, TPO SCORING, JUST TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WHENEVER WE DO GET THOSE, UM, NEWS ITEMS FROM THOSE BODIES.
AND THEN AS ALWAYS, ANYTHING THE BOARD WANTS TO DISCUSS MOVING FORWARD.
UM, I HAVE TWO NEW BOARD MEMBERS HERE, BOARD MEMBERS ELECT.
I'M HAPPY TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON ANYTHING YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM ME IN THE FUTURE.
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO, UM, DISCUSS.
I HAVE THAT, THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT I SOLICIT.
I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO THAT WHITEHALL ROAD BRIDGE.
SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE 'CAUSE WE CAN'T GET THESE HEAVY TO MOVE AND ASK TO LIGHTEN UP ON HIS TRUCKS
AT WHAT POINT DO WE, DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY STEP IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT TAKES A LITTLE, THAT BUMPS IT UP ON PRIORITY.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF, WE HAVE PLENTY OF WEIGHT LIMITED BRIDGES IN THE COUNTY.
THAT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE, RIGHT.
THEY'RE CALLING STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO ROUTE AROUND.
IT'S, I WANNA SAY THERE'S ANDREW BRIDGES CHIEF KNOW ABOUT THE WORM.
SIR, I APPRECIATE, UH, THE DISCUSSION ON THIS.
THERE ARE THREE BRIDGES THAT FIRE RESCUE CAN'T CROSS WITH THE FIRE.
THERE'S ONE ON WHITEHALL ROAD THAT ACTUALLY IS RATED THE BEST OF THE THREE 15 TONS.
THERE'S ONE ON, UM, OLD COLUMBIA ROAD 13 TIMES.
AND THERE'S ONE ON HASKINS ROAD FOR 13 TONS.
AND WE'VE BEEN, UH, LOOKING AT THIS, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
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LAS COLLETTE WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THIS TYPE OF THING.AND WHEN WE RAN THE NUMBERS, UM, 20 21 20 20, IT AFFECTED ABOUT 400 HOMES, 400 RESIDENTS.
I'M SURE THAT NUMBER MAY HAVE GONE UP SOME.
NOW CHIEF, HOW, WHAT'S THE WEIGHT, UH, ON AN ENGINE? SO A FIRE ENGINE, UH, IS ABOUT 30 TONS AND A LADDER TRUCK, UH, WITH BE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, UM, SEVEN, 5,000 POUNDS UP TO 40 TONS.
AND THEIR TANKERS ARE HEAVIER THAN OUR ENGINES.
AND SO IT ADDS ABOUT THREE TO FIVE MINUTES OF RESPONSE TIME TO GET TO A HOME.
AND ALSO, UH, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, THE COMPOUNDED EFFECT OF THAT.
BECAUSE IF A DRY HYDRANT IS, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BRIDGE AND WE'RE GOING TO GET WATER FOR A RURAL WATER SUPPLY THAT IS ADDING, ADDING, UH, TIME THERE AND THE WORK AROUND ROUTES, UM, IN SOME CASES AREN'T AS GOOD AS THE PRIMARY ROUTE.
LIKE WHITEHALL ROAD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR OPINION OF HOW GOOD OF A ROAD YOU THINK THAT IS.
IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BETTER SECONDARY ROADS IN COUNTY.
BUT THE WORKAROUND ROADS ARE NOT, NOT AS GOOD.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CHALLENGE.
IT'S ALREADY, BUT THE PIECE THAT'S ALREADY ON EXTENDED RESPONSE TIME GOALS BASED ON LOCATION.
SO IT'S RESPONSE TIME NEAR WHITEHALL.
WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
IF, UM, IF THERE'S A HOUSE FIRE, UH, UH, ON WHITEHALL AND THE UNITS, UH, FROM COMPANY SIX COMING ACROSS, UM, SOMETIMES THEY WOULD GO FOREST GROVE, BUT THEY MAY HAVE TO DO THAT 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T CROSS THAT BRIDGE.
OR THE UNITS COMING FROM THE COURTHOUSE BRINGING ADDITIONAL HELP HAVE TO TAKE AN ALTERATIVE ROUTE.
THE ONE THAT, UM, THE TWO THAT CONCERNED ME EQUALLY AS MUCH IS THAT, OH, COLUMBIA BRIDGE.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, OLD COLUMBIA BRIDGE, THIS HAPPENED YESTERDAY MORNING WHERE WE HAD AN INCIDENT, IT WAS A MINOR INCIDENT, IT WASN'T ANYTHING MAJOR AND IT WAS ON ELK ISLAND.
UH, IT WAS ON COLUMBIA ROAD NEAR ELK ISLAND ROAD.
AND SO UNITS HAD TO GO UP SIX, COME BACK IN THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE THE ADDRESS WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BRIDGE.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET, UM, WE HAD SMOKING A HOUSE OVER OFF OF, UH, HASKINS ROAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE COMING FROM COMPANY FOUR AND YOU'RE GOING TO HASKINS ROAD AND YOU CAN'T CROSS THAT BRIDGE, YOU'VE GOTTA GO AROUND 45.
IT COME BACK AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, ST.
PAUL'S CHURCH OR COMPANY FIVE'S GOTTA GO ROCK CASTLE ROAD AND COME IN THREE SQUARE.
AND SO THEIR MAJOR ISSUES IN MY OPINION IS FIRE CHIEF.
UM, THAT PREVENT US FROM GETTING TO EMERGENCIES AND THE QUICKEST RESPONSE ROUTE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY FALL INTO THE LIST OF PROJECTS AND THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT, UM, WE HAD GIS RUN MAPS AND PLOT HOMES AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND IT'S A CONSTANT STRUGGLE, UM, TO KEEP OUR PERSONNEL INFORMED OF THOSE, UM, THOSE WEIGHTS.
AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS IN THE MIDDLE OF AN EMERGENCY AS TO WHETHER THEY CAN CROSS THOSE BRIDGES THAT THEY CAN.
AND I'LL TELL YOU, UM, THIS CAME UP BEFORE AND YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE SCHOOLS, BUT KNOW SCHOOL BUSES CAN TEND TO 16 TONS.
YOU KNOW THAT SOME OF THE SCHOOL BUSES, I GUESS ARE KIND OF RIGHT ON THE, THE EDGE OF SOME OF THOSE BRIDGES IS WHAT I THINK I KNOW, WHICH YOU'D HAVE TO ASK THE SCHOOL SHOW THAT AMBULANCES ARE ABOUT EIGHT TONS.
SO WE DO CROSS 'EM WITH THE AMBULANCES WITHOUT ANY, UH, PROBLEMS. BUT, UM, MOST ALL OF OUR FIRE ENGINE, ALL OF OUR FIRE ENGINE EXCLUDING THE BRUSH TRUCKS, UH, ARE NOT LEGALLY SUPPOSED TO CROSS THOSE BRIDGES.
THOSE TWO OH, COLUMBIA AND HASTON ARE NOT ON ANY OF OUR LISTS.
BRIDGES WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THOSE.
BRIDGES ARE TRICKY BECAUSE THEY, WHICH IS A PROBLEM MM-HMM.
IT'S THE SAFETY SCORE WOULD BE LOW BECAUSE SAFETY IN THIS CASE IS LOOKING AT INCIDENTS, ACCIDENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE DON'T SCORE WELL WITH BRIDGES.
THERE'S LIMITED FUNDING PODS, SGR, THE STATE OF GO REPAIRS ONE SPECIFICALLY FOR BRIDGES.
BUT IT HAS TO BE WHAT'S CONSIDERED STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF STEP UP FROM STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT, UH, I FORGET THE THE PHRASE, BUT MOST OF THE BRIDGES WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE WEIGHT LIMITED FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
SO THEY'RE ALMOST STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT, WHICH IS BAD AS FAR AS THE BRIDGES HEALTH, BUT GOOD FOR FUNDING.
UM, IT DOESN'T MEAN THE BRIDGE IS GETTING READY TO FALL DOWN.
IT JUST HAS DETERIORATED TO A POINT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
UM, IT'S WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILLS THAT HAVE PASSED IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THERE'S ALWAYS NEW OPPORTUNITIES COMING FORWARD AND WE CONTINUALLY TALK TO
BUT BRIDGES ARE JUST A, A TRICKY SCENARIO WHERE UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE JUST NOT ELIGIBLE FOR A LOT OF PODS UNLESS THEY'RE IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
WE WHITEHALL SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH VDOT ABOUT PROVIDING AN ESTIMATE.
ARE THERE OTHER WAYS TO GO ABOUT THIS? IF WE DO A 50 50 SPLIT FOR REVENUE SHARE, AS I MENTIONED, REVENUE
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SHARES PRETTY MUCH, IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY AND IT'S A LOW COST, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET THE OTHER HALF OF THE MONEY FOR THE STATE.WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST IS FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE A RIDDLE'S BRIDGE WHERE THE NAME IS A LITTLE INTERESTING, BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A BRIDGE CROSSING.
IT'S SEVERAL CULVERTS IN LINE THAT IS ALSO, I BELIEVE WEIGHT LIMITED AND IT FLOODS CO CONSISTENTLY.
UM, SO IT'S NOT VERY EFFECTIVE AS A BRIDGE OR A DRAINAGE STRUCTURE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
IT'S NOT CALLED BRIDGE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A GOOD AT
WE, UM, WE'VE DONE STUDIES TO SHOW WHAT THE RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE TO BE ABOVE THOSE FLOODING LINES.
AND IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY EXPENSIVE, UM, TO REPLACE THOSE THREE OR FOUR CULVERTS, LARGE CULVERTS.
WE'RE TALKING A 60 FOOT BRIDGE.
I DON'T WANNA BEGIN TO THINK WHAT THAT'S GONNA COST.
IT'S GONNA BE POURED CONCRETE LIKE EVERY NEW BRIDGE IS NOW.
UM, SO THAT IS, UNFORTUNATELY WITH BRIDGES, THEY'RE JUST VERY TRICKY.
IT'S, IT'S TRYING TO CONTINUOUSLY TRACK BOTH WHAT'S COMING OUTTA THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INFRASTRUCTURE BILLS, BDOS EVEN HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING TRACK OF THE DIFFERENT BRAND, SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS TO PROTECT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
I JUST, I MEAN I CAN SEE A, A AWFUL 60 FOOT BRIDGE GOING NOWHERE.
I MEAN, YOU GOTTA TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES INTO THE SGR SCORING.
AS I MENTIONED, THE WHITE OAK ROAD BRIDGE DID NOT SCORE WELL ENOUGH TO RECEIVE FUNDING THROUGH THAT PROGRAM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL GOES INTO THAT SCORING.
UM, AS FAR AS IF IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT DENSITY OF POPULATION OR IF IT'S JUST SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THEY'RE ONLY LOOKING AT AUTOMOBILES NOT FIRE.
SO THEY LOOK AT THE BRIDGE AS A WHOLE WHEN THEY DO THE INSPECTION REPORTS, UM, THEY DO INCLUDE THE ANALYSIS OF, UM, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES THAT COULD GO ACROSS IT.
AND THE WEIGHT LIMIT BRIDGES WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY ARE ALL OLDER.
THEY'RE JUST BUILT WITH EIGHT BY EIGHTS AND 10 BY TENS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY CONSIST OF.
THERE'S VERY LITTLE CONCRETE STRUCTURES THAT ARE WEIGHT LIMITED IN THE COUNTY.
UH, WHITEVILLE ROAD HAS, I THINK THREE OR FOUR BRIDGES AND INCLUDING THAT ONE.
BUT THE OTHERS ARE NEWER, THEY'RE CONCRETE, THEY'RE BUILT, THEY'RE NICE, THEY HAVE NO, NO WEIGHT LIMIT ISSUES.
UM, THE FIRE RESPONSE TIME, I OF, THERE'S THE THREE PRIORITY ONES.
I THINK OVERALL WE HAVE ABOUT EIGHT OR 10 TOTAL WEIGHT LIMIT TIMBER BRIDGES LEFT IN THE COUNTY.
SOME OF THEM ARE ON ROADS THAT ARE SO INFREQUENTLY TRAVELED.
WE PROBABLY WILL, WE'LL GET TO THEM AT SOME POINT, BUT IT, IT WILL BE SOME TIME.
I THINK ONE OF 'EM IS ACTUALLY ON AGON.
UM, IT'S LIKE AN EIGHT OR A 10 TON BRIDGE.
UM, SO WE ARE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YEAH, SO SOME OF 'EM ARE, SOME OF 'EM CAN GET LIGHT AND WE'RE NOT THE ONLY COUNTY STRUGGLING WITH THIS, BUT THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE.
BDOS EVEN HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING TRACK OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILLS.
AND THAT WAS PASSED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, TWO OR SO YEARS AGO NOW.
THERE'S STILL THINGS COMING OUT OF THAT AS WE LEARN WHAT THE BILL REALLY CONSISTED OF.
SO WE'RE ON, IT SOUNDS LIKE OF THE EIGHT OR 10, THERE'S REALLY THREE THAT ARE CRITICAL FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THOSE ARE THE THREE WE SHARE.
ONE OF WHICH IS DETERIORATED ENOUGH TO QUALIFY FOR MONEY.
HOW MUCH WOULD THE OTHER TWO HAVE TO DETERIORATE, QUALIFY FOR MONEY? SO THEY ARE, DON'T PUT UP ANY CAMERAS WITHDRAW QUESTION YOU GONNA DO THAT AT NIGHT OR
SO I WILL SAY THAT THE BRIDGES THAT ARE WITH, UM, THE PHRASE I BELIEVE IS THAT THEY'RE CUSP BRIDGES.
SO THEY'RE JUST ACUS ONCE THEY HIT THAT POINT.
THEY ARE INSPECTED ACTUALLY ANNUALLY TO DETERMINE.
AND THE MOST RECENT INSPECTION IS WHERE WHITEHALL DID DEGRADE ENOUGH TO BECOME STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT, THUS MAKING IT ELIGIBLE.
UM, BUT I'VE CONTINUALLY SHARED WITH VDOT FOLKS IN ASHLAND THAT IT'S A PRIORITY AND THERE WAS AN INITIAL THOUGHT THAT MAYBE THEY COULD PAY FOR IT OUT OF STATE FORCES.
THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR POT OF MONEY AND DO IT ALMOST AS A MAINTENANCE PROJECT.
BUT I THINK THE, THE SCOPE OF REBUILDING IT, 'CAUSE THEY WON'T REBUILD IT IN KIND, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE WEIGHT LIMITED, IT'S NOT GONNA BE WOOD, IT'S GONNA BE A CONCRETE BRIDGE WITH NO WEIGHT LIMIT RESTRICTIONS ON IT OR VEHICLE RESTRICTIONS.
THE COST BECAME TOO PROHIBITIVE FOR THEM TO DO IT OUT OF A MAINTENANCE DOLLAR, SO TO SPEAK OUT OF, OUT, OUT OF THEIR BUDGET FOR THAT.
SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT THEY ARE TRI.
ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT ARE THE OTHER FACTORS THAT THAT COME INTO PLAY? I MEAN WHEN YOU SAID THEY EVALUATE NOT JUST THE WEIGHT, I MEAN I'VE HEARD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT A COUPLE TIMES CONSIDERATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE SCORING CRITERIA IS THAT SGR USES TO GRADE THE BRIDGES.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE INSPECTION REPORTS LOOK AT SUBGRADE GRADE, WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE EROSION, UM, AT THE PAVING CONDITION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN THAT CREATES THE INSPECTION GRADE OF EITHER STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT CUSP OR GOOD FAIR AND SO ON.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SCORING CRITERIA THAT THEY DIDN'T TAKE THAT BRIDGE REPORT, PUT IT INTO THIS SCORING SYSTEM AND IT SPITS OUT A NUMBER AND WE DIDN'T GET THE FUNDING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT TO THAT POINT.
I KNOW AT FARM BUREAU WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ARE FREQUENT
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CONVERSATION.AND UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE RESOURCES AVAILABLE THROUGH USDA THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE FARMING COMMUNITY BECAUSE THOSE COMBINES ARE WAY IN EXCESS OF 13 HOMES.
AND UH, YOU MENTIONED ELK ISLAND, THE OFFICES ON THAT AND THEY'VE GOT ISSUES DOWN THERE AS TO HOW THEY CAN GET CERTAIN, EQUIP IT, IT'S OUTSIDE THE BOX THOUGHT.
UH, BUT USDA AMAZED SOMETIMES WITH WHAT THEY CONSIDER GERMAN AGRICULTURE AND WHAT THEY WANNA FUND.
I DUNNO IF THOSE MIGHT BE A, IT'S CERTAINLY A CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT DEGREE MAYBE THAT'S BEEN UTILIZED BEFORE.
BUT, UM, THE MONEY THAT WE WOULD SHIP TRACK DOWN WOULD, DEPENDING ON THE PROGRAM, UM, NEED TO BE KIND OF APPROVED, SO TO SPEAK BY VDOT.
'CAUSE IF THEY'RE GONNA BE MANAGING THE PROJECTS, THEY'RE GONNA BE THE ONE RECEIVING THE FUNDS OR GETTING REIMBURSED FROM THE FUNDS.
SO CAN VDOT ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE USDA OR OTHER END OF ENTITY
BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'RE EXPLORING.
THE WHITEHALL ROAD BRIDGE SPECIFICALLY, I LIVE RIGHT AT THE BRIDGE, SO I'D LOVE TO GET THAT ONE REPLACED.
AND BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A NIGHTMARE ANYWAY.
BUT IT, UM, I'D LOVE TO GET THAT ONE DONE 'CAUSE I SURE WANT FIRE CHIEF AND HIS CREW TO BE ABLE TO GET TO MY HOUSE.
UM, PAY FOR, IF YOU LIKE,
UM, CAN, CAN WE INCLUDE THAT? YOU MENTIONED THAT SYSTEM THAT THEY WERE TRAFFIC, VRAN VRAN.
UM, IS THERE ANY EDUCATION AVAILABLE REGARDING WHAT IT MEANS FOR COUNTY OF SELF-MANAGED PRODUCTS AND WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE? IF WE COULD LOOK INTO MAYBE THAT I CAN HAVE 'EM COME AND TALK ABOUT THE, WHAT'S WHAT'S CALLED THE LOCALLY ADMINISTERED PROGRAM.
IT'S THE LAP, UM, AND KIND OF GIVE A BRIEF SYNOPSIS ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM.
IF IT'S WORTH, I MEAN, LOOK AT IT IF IT'S WORTH WORTHWHILE.
I THINK IT'S, AND I'M, I'M ALWAYS HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PLANNING STAFF ABOUT EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.
VRAN IS ONE THAT THEY HAVE DONE BEFORE FOR OTHER LOCALITIES.
AND THAT, THAT'S THE FIRST ONE THAT IMMEDIATELY COMES TO MIND.
BUT I DEFINITELY THINK THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST TWO THINGS.
AND THIS IS REALLY, BOTH OF THESE ARE THE INCOMING BOARD TO HELP THEM DO THEIR JOB GOING FORWARD.
BUT YOU MENTIONED ONLY ONE APPROVAL AWAY FROM A MAJOR RESHUFFLE.
YOU'VE GOT THE SPEED COMING AND THAT'S ABOUT 3001 12 ACRES, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF 2 88 6 PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA IN ANY ADDITIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY THOUSANDS OF ACRES.
UH, IT'S GONNA PUT SOME PRESSURE ON SOME OF THE WEAK, WEAK SPOTS.
IT'S A FIVE-WAY INTERSECTION AND IT'S NOT A 90 DEGREE SMALL ANGLES.
SO ANY MAJOR INCREASE IN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN THAT AREA IS GONNA PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THAT INTERSECTION.
THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEAS, BUT A SECOND ONE IS HOCKET, THE SOUTHERN TERMINUS WHERE IT TEES AT SIX, THAT'S A FAILING INTERSECTION ALREADY.
ANY ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF ACRES ON POCKET THAT CREATES ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
MAY NEED A TERMINUS, MAY NEED TO, MAY OR MAY NOT NEED A LIGHT, MAY OR MAY NOT NEED TURN LANES MAY, IT'S JUST, IT'S GONNA NEED SOMETHING TO, TO RIGHT.
THE NORTHERN TERMINUS AT BROAD, WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT THE REALIGNMENT.
SO THE REALIGNMENT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO SIX? NO, THAT REALIGNMENT JUST ALL CONCENTRATED RIGHT THERE.
IT'LL SOLVE THE NORTHERN TERMINUS T AT BROAD, BUT IT DOES NOTHING FOR THE SUB AT SIX WHERE IT'S T AND I'VE DRIVEN BY THERE WHEN CAPTAIN ONE LIFTS OUT AND THERE'S AS MANY AS 25 OR 30 CARS BACKED UP ON POCKET BECAUSE THE LEAD CAR IS TRYING TO TURN LEFT ACROSS A FOUR LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY OF 60 MILE AN HOUR TRAFFIC.
AND THEY'RE WAITING FOR A TINY LITTLE BREAK WHERE THEY CROSS THEIR FINGERS, JAM THE GAS AND CLOSE THEIR EYES AND HOPE THEY MAKE IT.
AND THAT UNTIL THAT SPOT OPENS UP ALL THE RIGHT TURN LANE TRAFFIC IS ALL BACKED UP.
SO ADDING A RIGHT TURN LANE WOULD GET HALF OF THAT TRAFFIC THROUGH SOME.
ANYWAY, YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS YOU'VE GOT FAILING PLACES NOW AND WITH 3000 ACRES AROUND THAT, SOME OF IT NORTHEAST, SOME NORTHWEST, SOME SOUTHEAST IT, IT, IT COULD ONE APPROVAL OF SOME MASTER PLAN.
UH, SMALL AREA PLAN LIKE WE DO WITH CVILLE IN SPEEDA COULD REARRANGE A LOT OF THE PRIORITIES.
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UM, SO SPEEDA HASN'T HAPPENED YET.THE SOUTHERN PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA STUDY HASN'T HAPPENED YET.
IT'D BE SIMILAR TO THE SMALL AREA STUDIES EXCEPT TO NOT A SMALL AREA.
AND SO JUST BE AWARE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD PUT PRESSURE ON PRIORITIES FOR THE TRANSPORTATION.
SECOND THING, THIS IS REALLY MORE, UH, BENEFICIAL I THINK IS WHAT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR ME EARLY ON WAS THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN WHERE THEY BROUGHT IN A CONSULTANT, PLOTTED OUT THE COUNTY, PUT ALL THE PRIMARY ROADS ON IT, ALL THE SECONDARIES, ALL THE COLLECTOR ROADS, ALL THE MAIN ROADS, NOT THE LITTLE TINY ONES.
AND THEY SAID, OKAY, HERE'S RED, YELLOW AND GREEN.
YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC MOVES, YOU KNOW, HERE AND HERE'S YOUR RED FAILING PLACES.
AND WE PUT SOME ROUNDABOUTS IN SOME OF THOSE REDS AND GOT CLEANED THAT UP.
THE BIGGEST BRIGHTEST RED WAS AT 2 88 AND BROAD WHERE THERE WERE NO LIGHTS THERE WHEN YOU COME OFF, ANY ACCIDENTS HAPPEN ROUTINELY.
SO THEY FIXED BOTH OF THOSE AND TOOK THOSE REDS OFF.
BUT WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS CONSULTANT CAME IN AND SAID, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
10 YEARS GIVEN YOUR COMP PLAN, HERE'S WHERE WE'LL BE 20 YEARS FROM NOW, GIVEN YOUR COMP PLAN, HERE'S WHERE WE'LL BE.
SAID A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW, YOU'LL NEED BROAD TO BE FOUR LANES ALL THE WAY OUT TO CHARLOTTESVILLE.
WE SAID STUCK, YOU WENT TOO FAR.
BUT SO THROTTLE BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT FOR ME IT WAS HELPFUL TO SEE THAT OVER TIME, 5, 10, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW HAVE THE GREENS TURNED YELLOW AND TURNED RED AND YOU KNEW WHERE THE GROWTH WOULD PUT YOUR PRESSURE.
SO YOU COULD ANTICIPATE SOME OF THAT A LITTLE BIT.
SO RE YOU KNOW, RESURRECTING THAT MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE MULTI-YEAR LOOK TO SEE WHERE THE GREENS TURNED YELLOW YELLOWS TURNED RED OVER TIME.
HERE'S WHERE YOUR PROBLEMS ARE GONNA BE SO YOU KNOW WHERE TO DELEGATE YOUR RESOURCES.
UM, NOW THAT MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS NOW PROBABLY DUE FOR AN UPDATE AT SOME POINT, BUT THE SUBORDINATE PLANS SHOULD PROBABLY NOT BE UPDATED UNTIL WE UPDATE THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, WHICH IS THE UMBRELLA PLAN.
THEN THESE SUBORDINATED PLANS, THE THE FIRE RESCUE MASTER PLAN, THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLANS, ALL THE SUBORDINATE PLANS, ALL THOSE GEARS NEED TO MESH.
SO YOU START WITH THE UMBRELLA AND, AND THE STRATEGIC DIRECTION AND VISION AND CORE VALUES AND ALL THAT.
AND THEN YOU KIND OF DEVELOP THESE PLANS UNDERNEATH THAT.
AND THE IDEA BEHIND ALL OF THIS IS TO IDENTIFY THE DESIRED LEVEL OF SERVICE LOS AND THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND IDENTIFY ANY GAPS IN ANY OF THE SERVICES.
PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, PUBLIC EDUCATION, UH, FIRE RESCUE, THOROUGHFARE, PLAN ROADS, IDENTIFY THE GAPS THAT CLOSE THOSE GAPS, BUT THEN PROJECT INTO THE FUTURE WHERE THE DEMAND FOR EACH OF THOSE SERVICES IS GONNA GO AND PLAN TO DEVELOP THE COUNTY IN SUCH A WAY SO THAT THOSE GAPS DON'T, UH, DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE.
WE DON'T EXPAND IN THE FUTURE.
SO IDENTIFY GAPS TODAY, CLOSE THE GAPS.
BUILD OUT A PLAN THAT SAYS WE'RE GONNA BUILD ALONG SERVICES ALONG WITH THE DEMAND FOR SERVICES.
SO LEVEL OF SERVICE DOESN'T DETERIORATE.
AND THAT'S RESPONSE TIMES BY SHERIFF RESPONSE TIMES BY FIRE AND RESCUE SEATS, YOU KNOW, UH, TRAILERS AND THE SCHOOLS TO FOR THE OVERFLOW.
I MEAN ALL OF THAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF IF YOU PLAN PROPERLY.
SO, BUT ALL THAT STARTS WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN GOES INTO THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLANS.
ONE OF THOSE PLANS THAT FOR ME WAS VERY HELPFUL TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE TO SAY WHERE
YOU SAY STRATEGIC, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTYWIDE COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN.
WHICH NEEDS TO BE UPDATED LAST, FINAL 2018.
VIC GAVE US A COPY, COPIES OF THAT AND I READ IT.
THAT'S THAT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS WE DID.
YOU GOTTA START SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
BIG PICTURE, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE REFERRING TO A STRATEGIC PLAN POST ROAD.
WELL THAT'S MAJOR THOROUGH PLAN IS A SUBORDINATE PLAN TO THAT OVERARCHING PLAN THAT THE BOARD SETS THE DIRECTION FOR THE COUNTY BASED ON CITIZEN.
HOW OLD IS THAT? THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS DONE AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, THE THOUGHT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH WITH THE CARPENTER AND AND PLANNING STAFF IS REGIONALLY THE LONG RANGE PLAN THAT TPO HAS IS UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
WE SHOULD REALLY BE ON A SIMILAR CYCLE, NOT NECESSARILY IN THE SAME YEAR, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NOW WORKING THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN REWRITE INTO THE WORK PLAN.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS FIVE YEARS OLD TODAY, 2023.
UM, IT'S ABOUT TO BE SIX YEARS OLD.
SO WORK THAT INTO A PLAN MOVING FORWARD TO UPDATE IT BUT THEN CONTINUALLY KEEP THAT IN THE WORK PLAN FOR COUNTY STAFF AND TO EITHER BRING SOMEBODY ON OR, OR DO IT INTERNALLY ONE DAY AND AND UPDATE IT.
BECAUSE IF THE REGIONAL PLAN'S GETTING UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS, BUT WE'RE ONLY DOING OURS EVERY EIGHT OR 10 YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE OUT ON NEW PRIORITIES WE MAY NOT KNOW EXIST.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THE OVERALL BROAD REVIEW OF THE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION MASK.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CERTAINLY LOOKING AT MOVING FORWARD.
THE COMPREHENSIVE LEAD USE PLAN IS REQUIRED BY STATE CODE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, TO BE LOOKED AT EVERY FIVE YEARS AND
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YOU CAN DO MARGINAL UPDATES OR A WHOLESALE UPDATE, BUT THETHE, THE REGIONAL, UH, TRANSPORTATION PLANS DONE EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO OUR 2018 AND 20, THAT'S 5, 6, 7 YEARS.
THE REASON WE DIDN'T DO IT THIS YEAR IS IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR US TO DO IT JUST ON THE WAY OUT THE DOOR.
SO IT'S A LITTLE DATED OR LONGER TOO.
TAKE IT ALL DOWN TO THE NEW GUYS CAN
OF COURSE YOU SAW THE UH, CHECK MARK GETTING DONE.
THEY DIDN'T GET TO NO, WE THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO DO THAT IN THIS CASE FOR YOU TO FRESHEN UP THE PLAN WITH YOUR VISION AND, AND SET THE COURSE FOR THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, AND UH, TAKE A FRESH SET OF BIAS AND THINK IMPROVE ON WHAT WE DID.
JUST REMEMBER YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T, YOUR VISION IS IMPORTANT.
NOBODY HAS MY CELL NUMBER
BUT NO, AND OF COURSE AGAIN, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE BOARD TO COME IN AND PUT THEIR FINGER AND NOT BE HAVE A LEGACY THAT, AND YOU KNOW, AS YOU ALL KNOW, NO PREVIOUS BOARD CAN BIND SUBSEQUENT BOARDS ON ANYTHING.
BUT UH, BUT ANYWAY THAT, SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS AS FAR AS ROADS GO, THAT MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, MULTI-YEAR OUTLOOK WAS HELPFUL FOR ME IN TERMS OF HELPING SET AT LEAST THE BACKDROP AND THEN YOU SUPERPOSE THE SHERIFF'S LIST AND THE ACCESS AND ALL, BUT, BUT AT LEAST YOU KIND OF KNOW GENERALLY WHERE THE THINGS ARE HEADING.
SO, AND WE SHOULD UPDATE THAT MORE FREQUENTLY.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO WE CERTAINLY WAS, THOSE ARE TWO THINGS I HAD THE SPEED OF, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE SET THE PART AND THEN THE WELFARE NEW DATA.
DO WE HAVE A LIST OF ACRONYMS ANYWHERE?
YEAH, TRANSPORTATION IS THE ALPHABET.
SO I MISSED ABOUT 90 SECONDS OF WHAT YOU SAID KEN, APOLOGIES.
BUT, UM, H ROAD, I MEAN ONE THING THAT IN MY MIND STICKS OUT A LOT OF IT BEING IN MY DISTRICT IS THE TOPOGRAPHY JUST LIKE FAIR, JUST LIKE FAIRGROUNDS ROAD DOESN'T ALLOW IT IN CERTAIN AREAS.
NOW LUCKILY THE FLOW AND YOU KNOW, IN, IN MY INTERPRETATION THE JUST SHEER VOLUME MIGHT NOT WARRANT FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC AND IT'S HOW DO WE ADDRESS IT IN THE KEY SPOTS? YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT H ROAD AND I THINK A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE GET THE BIGGEST ISSUES COULD BE ADDRESSED WITH CREATIVE ACTIONS ON PATTERSON AND RIVER, UH, PAT, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THE YEAH.
THE SPOT WHERE IT OFFICIALLY CHANGES NAMES, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
UM, AND I'VE SEEN GOOD EXAMPLES.
YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT IT AND GO, OKAY, HOW DO WE, WHERE HAVE I SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND HIGHWAY ONE THAT IN NORTH CAROLINA AND SAL OF HERE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SITUATIONS WHERE, OKAY, I NEED GAS.
I'M GETTING OFF AND HAVING TO TAKE A LEFT TURN TO GET BACK TO THE DIRECTION I WANT TO GO.
THEY ACTUALLY ON THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE HAVE EXTENDED THEIR, UM, U-TURN LANE, SO TO SPEAK TO AND THEN PUT A LIGHT AT A VERY STRATEGIC POINT.
WE DON'T NEED IT WHERE HOPE CHURCH IS 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT THE LIGHT AND SO THAT HELPS RESOLVE A LOT OF THAT TRAFFIC.
BUT IF I'M THINKING OF HOT ROAD SPECIFICALLY, I THINK A LOT OF THAT SOLUTION MIGHT BE ON, ON PATTERSON RIVER AND, AND BEING, YOU KNOW, CREATIVE WITH ONE SIGNAL AND A, YOU KNOW, ON HIGHWAY ONE HAS MANY EXAMPLES OF IT IS IT IS A SIGNAL FOR A U-TURN LANE SPECIFICALLY AND IT JUST GETS YOU OUT OF A MAJOR CONGESTION BECAUSE WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF I'M THINKING OF IT CORRECTLY, IT'S 20 FOOT DROPS THAT IS A JUST A DIFFICULT UM RIGHT.
THE LINE OF SIGHT IS AN ISSUE.
UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT HOCKET, UH, WHEN LAST TIME I TALKED TO VIDA, UM, BETWEEN PATTERSON AND TWO 50 MM-HMM
THE TERMINUS FAIL MISERABLY AND BACK UP TRAFFIC BIG TIME.
SO YEAH, THE FIXES ARE NOT WIDENING POCKET.
WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE SOUTHERN TERMINUS ON PATTERSON, A LOT OF TIMES CAB ONE AND CARMAX AND WEST STREET LETS OUT TWO 80 EIGHT'S A PARKING LOT.
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GO DOWN H THEY'LL EVEN GO OVER TO HERMITAGE.THEY'LL GO DOWN TO A FLIPPY FLIP AND GET ON THE SOUTH ONE AND SAVE THEMSELVES 10 CARS.
SO THE JUMP ACROSS H JUMPING ACROSS TO GO LEFT ON PATTERSON, YOU'VE GOT THIS FLIPPY FLIPPY TRAFFIC DOING THE U-TURNS ALL THE TIME.
IS THAT THE OFFICIAL TRANSPORTATION? YEAH, IT'S NOT, DOES EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OKAY, GOOD.
EXACTLY HOW YOU GET TURN, UM, PAT THAT TURN ANYWAY.
UM, BUT BUT THAT IS SO YOU'RE TRYING TO TURN LEFT WHILE THESE OTHER CARS ARE JUST NONSTOP WAITING TO TURN LEFT IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, AND AND SOME PLACES THE ISLAND IS WIDE ENOUGH THAT IF YOU MAKE THE JUMP ON HALF OF IT AND WAIT, BUT SOME OF IT'S SO SKINNY YOU END UP HANGING OVER ON BOTH SIDES RIGHT.
IN THE FAST LANES ON BOTH SIDES.
AND THAT'S, SO ANYWAY, TO, TO YOUR POINT, SOMEBODY AT SOME POINT IS GONNA NEED TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY AND SAY WELL WATER SOLUTION HERE, WHAT I FEEL LIKE IN RECO COUNTY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONCRETE ISLAND THAT'S THREE AND A HALF FEET WIDE AND THEN YOU HIT THE
SO THIS, THAT'S THE EXAMPLE I THINK WE'RE THINKING OF.
DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER AN EXTENSION OF THAT SKINNIER ROUTE TO, TO PROVIDE SOME SOLUTIONS? AGAIN, IT'S GOING CALL QUESTION A LOT OF THIS AND IT'LL BE A COMPREHENSIVE SOLUTION.
YOU MIGHT NOT GET GREEN IN THE MIDDLE BUT YOU STILL HAVE GREG GREEN.
WE ACTUALLY FLOATED THE IDEA FOR JUST A SECOND THAT COMING WEST ON PATTERSON TO GET ON 2 88 SOUTH YOU DO THE CLOVER LEAF BUT THE CLOVER LEAF, WHEN YOU COME AROUND THE CLOVER LEAF, THERE'S AN ACCELERATION LANE THAT'S ABOUT 12 FEET LONG.
SO YOU'RE COMING IN AT 20, 20 MILES AN HOUR, RUN A REALLY TIGHT CLOVERLEAF AND THEN YOU'RE FORCED INTO 70 MILE AN HOUR TRAFFIC AT 20 MILES AN HOUR AND THAT BACKS UP EVERYTHING.
SO THEY FLOATED THE IDEA OF POSSIBLY THEY CAME AND SAID, WELL HOW ABOUT IF WE JUST CLOSE THAT CLOVERLEAF AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT 20 MILE HOUR TRAFFIC MOVEMENT AND EVERYTHING WOULD FLOW.
AND WE SAID, WELL GEEZ WOULD LET EVERYBODY COMING WEST ON PAT CAN'T GET ON 2 88 WITHOUT DOING A FLIPPY FLIPPY AND DOING IT.
I MEAN THAT JUST CREATES MORE PROBLEMS TO SOLVE A THING, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT HARD RUNNING LANE, TAKING THAT ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
SO THE ACCELERATION LANE EFFECTIVELY BECOMES A, THEY'RE EIGHT TIMES A QUARTER MILE OR HALF MILE LONG, WHICH IS MUCH BETTER YOU UP TO SPEED FROM 2060 BEFORE YOU MOVE IN.
SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE THE COMPLEXITIES.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOFT HERE NOW, BUT I WANTED TO JUST RAISE IT AS THAT SPEED IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THEN ALSO THIS NATIONAL PLAN THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR FOLKS TO SEE WHERE THE PRESSURES ARE COMING OVER THE MEDIUM, THE LONGER TERM.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I IMPACT THE REST OF MY TIME.
ANYBODY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE UP THAT ONE OF THEM MEANINGFUL TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE EXISTING ONE TO UPDATE THE MAJOR
I WOULD PROBABLY SAY, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE, WHAT WE GOT.
SO YOU GOTTA START WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN FIRST.
GO COMP PLAN, MAJOR THOROUGH PLAN, FIRE, RESCUE PLAN.
WELL YOU GOTTA, YEAH, UPDATE THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
WE CAN GET TO THE SHOW, WE'LL GET THERE, BUT EVERY ONE OF THOSE UPDATES IS GONNA TAKE TIME,
ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YEAH, DON'T, NO, NO SPECIAL MEETINGS MAN.
THREE DAYS? WHAT? OH YOU TWO? OKAY.
I DON'T FEEL, THINK TO FEEL WELCOME.
YOU, HE ONLY GETS THREE MINUTES.
WHAT KIND OF FOOD? I DON'T SEE BAGELS.
CREAM CHEESE OR PEANUT CHOCOLATE.
UH, BOARD, WE ARE ADJOURNED TO OUR TUESDAY, JANUARY 2ND, 2024 MEETING.
UM, AND THE TIME FOR THAT MEETING WILL BE SET SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.