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READY THEN I GUESS[A. CALL TO ORDER & DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
TO START ROLLING.WARREN, WHY DON'T YOU LET US KNOW WHEN YOU ARE READY.
UH, LEMME MAKE SURE IT'S, AND THEN, UM, CHAIR DANDRIDGE CAN CALL THE FIVE 15 MEETING TO ORDER.
SO SINCE WE'RE ALL FAMILY HERE, I'M ASK Y'ALL A REAL STUPID QUESTION.
ANYTHING PARTICULAR I SAY TO CALL THE MEETING WHAT?
WE'RE RECORDING, MEETING, SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER.
THIS IS HOW BECAME THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT IN NO RUSH WE, NO, WE'RE GOOD.
I CALLED THE DECEMBER 12TH, 2023 SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER DECEMBER 11TH.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID DECEMBER 11TH.
DO YOU WANNA ASK FOR A QUORUM? I THINK.
SO THE STAFF IS GONNA PRESENT THE AMENDED BYLAWS.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
SO SHOULD I ASK THAT? YEAH, YOU'RE FINE.
WE JUST KIND OF THREW YOU IN IT.
SO DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? YES WE DO.
I'M KELLY JACKSON WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
WE, UM, DRAFTED SOME PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE'S BYLAWS.
UM, WE, WE DIDN'T DO IT EARLIER THIS YEAR, UM, 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE A NEED FOR IT.
BUT SITUATION HAS AROSE WHERE WE DO NEED, WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE REMOTE PARTICIPATION BY A MEMBER IN CASE SOMEONE GETS SICK OR IS OUT OF TOWN, OR, UM, HAS SOME KIND OF FAMILY EMERGENCY.
AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO THAT IS IF YOU HAVE AN ADOPTED POLICY IN PLACE FIRST.
AND WE DO HAVE THIS IN OUR BYLAWS OR RULES OF PROCEDURE AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS LEVEL AND ALSO AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL.
I THINK THEY'VE BEEN USED MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE VERY SPARINGLY.
SO IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE PACKET, THE RED BLIND VERSION IS MOSTLY ON PAGE THREE.
OF COURSE THERE'S SOME NUMBERING, UM, RENUMBERING ISSUES.
BUT ALL OF PAGE THREE, WHICH IS THE NEW ARTICLE FOUR, IS THE REMOTE PARTICIPATION POLICY UNDER STATE LAW.
SO THERE'S, UM, YOU COULD ONLY HAVE UP TO ONE COMMITTEE MEMBER, SINCE YOU'RE A THREE MEMBER COMMITTEE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW ONE PERSON TO ATTEND REMOTELY.
SO IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO DO IT ANY TIME AFTER THIS MEETING TO ALLOW ONE MEMBER, AS LONG AS TWO MEMBERS ARE STILL PHYSICALLY PRESENT AT THE MEETING LOCATION.
UM, AND IT CAN BE, I WON'T GO INTO THESE TOO MUCH IN DEPTH, BUT A PERSONAL MATTER AND IT SAYS WHAT THAT IS.
UM, AND THAT ONE IS LIMITED UNDER STATE CODE TO 25% OF THE MEETINGS OF THE COMMITTEE, OR TWO MEETINGS PER CALENDAR YEAR OR 25%, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
I DIDN'T DO THE MATH, BUT WE DON'T MEET VERY MUCH.
SO WE'RE, WE HAVE THREE CURRENT MEETINGS.
WE HAVE THE, UM, ANNUAL, THE ANNUAL, AND THEN TWO OF THESE.
SO, SO IT MIGHT, DEPENDING ON THE YEAR, IT MIGHT BE THE 25%, IT MIGHT BE THE TWO BASICALLY.
UM, Y'ALL PROBABLY CAN GET AT LEAST ONE BE SAFE.
AND THEN AT THE TWO MARK WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO QUESTION WHETHER THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
UM, AND OTHER THAN THE PERSONAL MATTER, YOU COULD ALSO DO IT FOR A MEDICAL CONDITION, LIKE IF YOU'RE SICK OR A FAMILY MEMBER'S SICK, UH, OR IF YOU HAVE A PERMANENT DISABILITY OR A TEMPORARY DISABILITY.
AND THAT ONE ACTUALLY DOESN'T HAVE A LIMIT.
SO IT'S THE PERSON PERSONAL MATTERS THAT HAVE A LIMIT.
SO I THINK UNDER STATE LAW THAT SOMEONE, IF THEY HAVE A PERMANENT DISABILITY, LIKE YOU COULDN'T PREVENT THEM FROM BEING ON A BOARD AND THAT WOULD BE OKAY FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY.
SO, AND THEN, AND THEN THERE'S A PROCEDURE.
YOU HAVE TO NOTIFY THE CHAIR THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A PERSONAL MATTER OR A MEDICAL CONDITION.
AND EITHER WE COULD TRY TO GET AN ALTERNATE OR WE CAN USE THIS POLICY AT THE CHAIR'S DISCRETION.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, A QUORUM HAS TO BE PHYSICALLY ASSEMBLED AND WE HAVE TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR THE VOICE OF THE MEMBER PARTICIPATING REMOTELY TO BE HEARD AT THE PRIMARY MEETING LOCATION.
SO THOSE ARE THE STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE PUT IN THE CODE CONSISTENT WITH OUR OTHER BOARDS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
OTHERWISE, THERE'S ALSO A DRAFT MOTION THERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
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IS RIGHT.I MOVE TO SUSPEND THE COMMITTEE'S BYLAWS AND RULES AND PROCEDURES AS ALLOWED BY ARTICLE SIX AND TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS TO THE COMMITTEE'S BYLAWS AND RULES AND PROCEDURES AS PRESENTED BY STAFF, WHICH WILL ALLOW MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE IN MEETINGS REMOTELY UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW.
THE NAME BEEN CHURCH LAW MORE SO THEN.
ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND THEN NO OTHER BUSINESS THEN WE'RE ADJOURNED FOR THIS SESSION, WARREN, UNTIL FIVE 30.
DID YOU, WERE YOU ABLE TO LOG IN? HUH? THAT BUTTON DOWN, BUT IT'S NOT GOING.
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UH, UH CAN YOU LET HIM IN START? HE'S UM, NO, WE HAVE TO SOME SURE.
WE WANNA TEST BEFORE? YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD.
JOSH, CAN YOU HEAR US? HEY WARREN, DID YOU TURN OFF LIKE THE VOLUME OVER THERE IN BETWEEN? 'CAUSE WE CAN'T HEAR MR. GILKEY IS THERE.
TYPE IN THE CHAT OR LIKE I'LL TEXT HIM.
THIS HAPPENED TO BE, IS IT ZOOM OR DOWNSTAIRS? THIS ONE.
ARE YOU CHATTING WITH THEM? I CANNOT HEAR YOU.
UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
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IMAGE WITH THE, UM, LIVE VIDEO FEED FROM COUNTY OF LIN HAS A MUTED MICROPHONE.AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER ONE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM THAT'S A STATIC IMAGE AND IT ALSO HAS A MUTED MICROPHONE.
CAN WE, ALRIGHT, NOW CAN YOU HEAR US PICKY JOHN? YES, SIR.
OR YOU MUTE? HOW YOU FEELING? OKAY.
OH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT FEELING GREAT.
WE APPRECIATE YOU NOT BEING HERE IN PERSON.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE STEPPED OUT.
ARE WE GOOD? WE GOOD? I THINK SO.
I HEAR ABOUT CALL TO ORDER THE MONDAY, DECEMBER 11TH, 2023 IS OUR REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UH, MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE A CALL? YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A FORUM.
UM, APPROVAL OF NOTICE, THEN WE'RE GONNA, UM, NOTE THAT THERE'S A, UM, REMOTE PARTICIPANT.
NOTING THERE'S A REMOTE PARTICIPANT, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMMITTEE'S REMOTE PARTICIPATION POLICY IS SET FORTH IN ARTICLE FOUR OF THE BYLAWS AND RULES OF PROCEDURE, WHICH WERE AMENDED PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
THE COMMITTEE HAS ARRANGED FOR THE VOICE OF VICE CHAIR JOSH EPSTEIN TO TO BE HEARD DURING THIS MEETING AT WHICH A QUORUM OF THE COMMITTEE IS PHYSICALLY PRESENT.
IN ADDITION, THE MEETING MINUTES WILL REFLECT THAT DUE TO A MEDICAL CONDITION, VICE CHAIR JOSH S
LET'S MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T LOSE MR. LESKI.
GO TO WHERE'S MY PART? PARTICIPANTS? PARTICIPANTS? HE STILL THERE? OH, HE'S STILL THERE.
CAN YOU HEAR US MR. GILLESPIE? HE'S CAN HE UNMUTE HIMSELF? I'M SORRY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU COULD HEAR US BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
THERE WAS A SLIGHT INTERRUPTION.
I NOW, OH, AND SO MOVING INTO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
NO, WE'RE MOVING INTO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
[B. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – October 30, 2023]
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 30TH, 2023.IF THE MOTION PASSES ON THREE OH VOTE.
[C. SCHEDULED APPLICATION: District 4 COA-2023-00011 – Application by SP Real Estate Holdings, LLC requesting a Certificate of Approval (COA) to consider design and parking exceptions for an automobile dealership on Tax Map No. 59-3-2-F-P7. The property is located at 12501 Broad Street Road on the south line of Broad Street Road at the Goochland County Border with Henrico County, and within the Centerville Village Overlay District. The property is zoned B-1 (Business, General), with proffered conditions. The COA is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-435.]
DISTRICT FOUR COA 20 23 11.APPLICATION BY SP REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS, LLC REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO CONSIDER DESIGN AND PARKING EXCEPTIONS FOR AN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP ON TAX MAP 59 3 2 FP SEVEN.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 12 5 0 1 BROAD STREET ROAD ON THE SOUTH LINE OF BROAD STREET ROAD AT THE GLAND COUNTY BORDER WITHIN HENRICO COUNTY AND WITHIN THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE, OVERLAND DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED B ONE BUSINESS GENERAL WITH PR CONDITIONS.
THE COA IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 4 35.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, I'M RAY CASH, I'M ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I SHOULD NOTE THAT I SHARED ON, UH, TWO, UH, CONCERNED COMMENTS, UH, ONE I SENT TO YOU THIS AFTERNOON, THAT IT'S REGARDING THE LIGHTING BLAME FOR, UH, THE DECK.
UM, THE OTHER IS IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM THE COUNTY OF
UM, SHOULD THAT COMMITTEE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS EITHER JUST TO WALK THROUGH, JUST LEMME KNOW.
UM, WE, UH, WE'LL GO OVER QUICKLY AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH LAST WEEK.
JUST, UM, WHAT THE COMMITTEE, UM, CAN DO FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, AGAIN, IS TO, FOR ANY CERTIFICATE APPROVAL, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THE COMMITTEE SHOULD CONSIDER, UM, WITH THAT.
AND THAT SHOULD BE THE DESIGN FOR THE INSURANCE CORRIDOR OR VILLAGE CENTER OVERLAY.
UM, CONSIDERATION OF WALLS THAT HAVE THE SAME ARCHITECTURALLY HARMONIOUS MATERIALS, COLOR, TEXTURE AND TREATMENT.
A COMBINATION OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS FOR THE STRUCTURE COULD INCLUDE LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, ROOF TRIP TREATMENT, UM, OR OTHER CHARACTER APPLICABLE TO THE CORRIDOR.
AND, UH, THE STRUCTURE AND DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING SHOULD NOT, UH, BE DESIGNED TO SERVE AS AN ADVERTISEMENT OR A COMMERCIAL DISPLAY OR EXHIBIT.
UH, EXTERIOR CHARACTERISTICS LIKELY DETERIORATE RAPIDLY OR TO BE TEMPORARY, UM, OR SHORT TERM ARCHITECTURAL AESTHETIC APPLICABILITY OR ACCEPTABILITY RATHER OR OTHERWISE CONSTITUTE A REASONABLE
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FORESEEABLE DETRIMENT TO THE ATTRACTIVENESS OR STABILITY OF THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.UM, YOU CONSIDER APPLICATIONS THAT ARE APPEALED BY THE APPLICANT'S STAFF.
YOU MAY APPROVE THE APPLICATION OR DENY IT WITH CONDITIONS.
UM, EITHER WAY, REGARD REQUIRED FOR COMPLIANCE AND INCLUDING CONDITIONS TO DELEGATE APPROVAL OF THE
UM, YOU MAY ALSO RECOMMEND SUGGESTIONS.
DO ANYTHING THAT YOU SEEN SUBMITTED TONIGHT, UH, WE WILL REQUIRE APPLICANTS TO RESUBMIT PLANS TO ADDRESS ANY CHANGES OR CONDITIONS IMPOSED BY THE COMMITTEE TONIGHT.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS YOU MAY GRANT REASONABLE, UM, COMMITTEE, I MEAN DEVIATIONS FROM THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT THE SITE'S TOPOGRAPHY, CONFIGURATION, OR OTHER UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES PREVENT FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND TO DO SO, YOU MAY IMPOSE CONDITIONS TO ACCOMPLISH THE PURPOSE, UM, OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE.
SO THIS CASE OF THIS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UH, WAS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE BACK IN OCTOBER, ON OCTOBER 30TH.
UH, THE COMMITTEE DID TAKE SOME ACTION AS WELL AS DELEGATED, UH, SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO WORK OUT TOGETHER.
MM-HMM,
THEY'RE COMING BACK BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ITEMS IN YELLOW.
UM, WE WORKED OUT, UM, CONDITIONS AND SOME REQUIREMENTS WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UM, I'LL JUST SHOW YOU WHAT WAS COME FORWARD FROM THE APPLICANT, JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT WHAT'S BEEN WORKED OUT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND STAFF AS WE GO FORWARD.
UH, THIS CASE IS ON THE BORDER OF HENRICO IN HOUSTON COUNTY, UM, IN THE, THE FAR EASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
UH, THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE COUNTY'S BOOSTER STATION THAT'S ON THE SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS IN ONE, UH, ZONED AREA THAT'S REALLY PART OF, UM, UH, IT'S ANYWAY, PART OF, UH, BUS CREEK AND ACROSS THE STREET ARE A COUPLE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
ALSO
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS PROPERTY IS PRETTY CONSTRAINED.
THERE IS A UTILITY EASEMENT THAT IS SHARED BETWEEN, UM, GLAND AND ENRICO THAT REALLY BISECTS THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS FLOODPLAIN UP IN THE UPPER PORTION.
THIS IS THE, THE COUNTY BOOSTER STATION THAT'S HERE.
THAT'S ESSENTIAL FOR MOVING, UH, UTILITIES INTO OUR, OUR COUNTY HERE.
UM, A LITTLE BIT OF SLIPPING, UH, UM, UH, TOPOGRAPHY FOR THIS SITE.
AND IF YOU LOOK IN THIS PICTURE HERE, AS YOU CAN NOTICE THERE IS IN HENRICO COUNTY A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES SOME, UH, TOWNHOUSE APARTMENTS AND SOME WILL BE UP ON THE FRONT, WILL BE SOME COMMERCIAL AND OTHER TYPE OF SERVICE USES ON FRONT OF BROAD STREET.
AS I GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, I'LL REFER OFF INTO, UM, EAST AND WEST MOST LIKELY.
UM, THE ORIENTATION OF THIS WILL, UM, BE FACING, UH, NORTH IS THIS WAY.
SO WEST IS BACK TOWARDS THE INTERIOR OF THE COUNTY AND EAST IS TOWARDS RACO.
SOUTH IS BACK TOWARDS THE BUTLAND'S AREA.
THAT'S PART OF THE WEST CREEK, UH, DEVELOPMENT, SOME FLOOD PLANNING.
UM, THIS WILL BE IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT'S BEEN UPDATED BY THE APPLICANT.
WE'LL WALK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE GET TO THAT PORTION, UM, THAT THE COMMITTEE HAD CONCERN WITH LAST MONTH.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE MODIFICATION REQUEST.
I'LL JUST GO THROUGH EACH OF THEM AND AT THE END WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UM, UH, THE, THE COMMITTEE'S, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, APPROVALS, DENIALS, SORT OF LIKE, UM, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AS WE PROCEED THROUGH, PLEASE INTERRUPT ME AND LEMME KNOW.
SO FIRST ONE IS MODIFICATION IN THE SECTION 15 4 4 7 81, WHICH IS CHARACTER.
UM, AND IT HAS PROVISIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING DESIGN AND WHAT IT SHOULD INCORPORATE.
AND THESE ARE PART OF WHAT WE CONSIDER THE TRADITIONAL VILLAGES.
THE CENTER OF COURTHOUSE, UM, SHOULD HAVE PITCH ROOFS LIMITED, HIGH PORCHES CAPABLE AS COLUMNS AND SMALLER SCALED WINDOWS.
UM, BUILDING MATERIALS SHOULD BE CON SHOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THOSE IN THE AREA ALREADY FOR TERMS OF COLOR, SCALE AND TEXTURE.
AND SHOULD ALL BUILDINGS ON SITE SHOULD HAVE A UNIFIED APPEARANCE SIMILAR TO BUILDING MATERIALS AND COLORS.
UM, THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES FOR DESIGN, UM, VILLAGE, SIMPLY FIT ROOF.
LIKE WE SAID IN DESIGN, YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE MORE OF SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE RESIDENTIAL IN CHARACTER AND FORM.
BUT I'LL SAY BUILDING MATERIALS TYPICALLY OF MORE STONE BRICK, UM, A SMALLER TRADITIONAL TYPE OF SCALED WINDOWS.
UM, FOR PROJECTS, AGAIN, KEEP IN WITH THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
UH, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, THESE ARE THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTALS.
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A LARGE, UM, FRONT CLASS AREA.AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, NO WINDOWS ON THE SIDES.
THERE'S A FLAT ROOF WITHOUT ELEMENTS.
THERE WAS METAL GRID SCREENING, UM, BACK HERE ALONG THE DECK.
AND THAT WAS REALLY TO ATTEMPT TO SORT OF SCREEN THE VIEW OF THE PARKING AND THE DECK FROM ENRICO COUNTY.
UM, THERE, THERE'S ALSO METAL WIRE GRIDS THAT ACTUALLY FORM THE SAFETY SECURITY BARRIER ALONG THE ROOF LINE OF THE PARKING DECK AND INTERNALLY AND THE RAMP.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME OPTIONS.
UM, SO PROPOSED OPTIONS THAT ARE UPDATED FROM THESE DESIGNS.
AND WE WOULD ASK THE COMMITTEE TO APPROVE THOSE AND, UH, WHAT OPTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE.
SO OPTION ONE, UH, UPDATE ELEVATIONS.
THEY REDUCED, REDUCED THE GLASS PERCENTAGE ALONG THE FRONT.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED A GOOD DIAGRAM TO SHOW US THOSE.
UM, THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY, UH, WINDOWS ON THE SIDES EXCEPT UP HERE AT THE FRONT.
AND WITH THE, UM, SERVICE AREA.
NOW IT DOES HAVE A FLAT ROOF WITH A GOOD WHITE PARAPET.
UM, ADDITION TO THIS TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTACT, THEY HAVE TO ELEVATE ELEVATED THE WALLS, UM, FOR THE PARKING DECK AREA, UM, TO INCLUDE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S THE METAL GRID OR METAL WIRE IS GONE.
ALSO, THE METAL GRID SCREENING.
UM, THIS IS A HIGHER WALL ELEVATION.
IT GIVES US MORE OF A FORM THAT'S MORE STANDARD TO A TYPE OF BUILDING DESIGN, UM, RATHER THAN, UH, LOOKING LIKE A TRADITIONAL OPEN DECK.
SO IN PROPOSED, UM, ELEVATIONS TWO REALLY EVERYTHING'S PRETTY SIMILAR FOR THAT.
THE, UM, DIFFERENCES ON THIS AND THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION, WHICH I DON'T HAVE HERE, BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER IMAGE OF THAT.
UM, SO INCLUDES SORT OF A WINDOW FORM FOR THIS THAT REALLY GIVES THE APPEARANCE OF MORE KEEPING WITH MORE OF AN OFFICE STRUCTURE AND THE LIKE.
UM, ON BOTH OF THESE ELEVATIONS, THEY DO, UM, HAVE VARYING SHADES OF DIFFERENT COLORS OF THE MATERIAL.
UM, FOR THAT IT SAYS A LITTLE BIT MORE BREAKUP IN THE MASS OF THE BUILDING DESIGN.
UH, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE GRID HAS BEEN MOVED.
THIS DOES HAVE, AGAIN, THE ELEVATED WALL FORMS, UH, FOR THE PARKING NECK DIFFERENCE WITH THIS.
OPTION TWO IS IT DOES HAVE MORE OF A, UH, BUILDING FORM THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT.
UM, AND OUR NEIGHBORING, THE COUNTY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF
SO HERE, UM, IS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FOR THE GLASS FACADE.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF PROVIDING, UM, A DISTINCTION IN WHAT THE ORIGINAL PERCENTAGE WAS.
UH, 57% OF THIS FRONT FACADE WAS GLASS BEFORE.
THIS HAS BEEN REDUCED TO ABOUT 48% IN BOTH OF THE ELEVATION MODELS, WHICH ARE REALLY, UM, PRETTY MUCH UNIFORM THE SAME.
THEY HAVE LOWERED THE HEADER, UM, ON THE TOP WHERE WE'RE CREATING MORE OF A HEADER FORM.
IF YOU NOTICE THAT THAT WAS ALL GLASS BEFORE.
UM, AND IF YOU CAN REALLY SEE THE, UM, EXISTING SCREENING FOR THE, UM, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THAT IS UP ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.
UM, PART OF THE CONVERSATION THE APPLICANT COULD SHOW THIS AS WELL WITH THEM WAS REALLY NOTICING SORT OF THE VIEW SHED OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THIS ELEVATED PORTION, UM, OF THE SHOWROOM HERE TO LOOK DOWN.
LOWERING THE HEADER HEADER MUCH FURTHER REALLY DESTROYED SIGHT LINES AND PREVENT SOME OF THE OPENNESS OF, OF THE FORM.
UM, THE COLUMNS, AS YOU NOTICE, ARE WIDER IN THIS PROPOSAL THAN YOU WERE IN THE ORIGINAL.
AND YOU HAVE MORE OF THIS, UM, FORM HERE THAT PROVIDES IT.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S JUST GLASS ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, SO IT'S A LITTLE CLOSER THAN SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM THE COMMITTEE LAST MONTH.
SO THE SECOND PART OF THIS, UM, MODIFICATION ONE IS REALLY TO BUILDING MATERIALS AND CHARACTER.
UM, BUILDINGS ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE COMPLIMENTARY, UM, COMPLIMENTARY TO THE VILLAGE OVERLAY IN TERMS OF SCALE, COLOR AND TEXTURE.
UM, TYPICALLY WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
TYPICALLY IN THE AREA IT'S BRICK STONE AND SOME CEMENTITIOUS SIDING.
UH, COLORS ARE MOST COMMONLY EARTH TONES OF TAN BRICK, UM, BROWN OR GRAY.
UM, TYPICALLY HAS SIMILAR OR SMALLER RATHER MATERIAL PATTERNS.
TYPICALLY MORE TRADITIONAL BRICK FORMS AND STONE FORMS. UM, ALSO WE EXPECT TO HAVE ARCHITECTURAL RELIEF TO BREAK UP BUILDING MASS WHEN THAT OCCURS.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME IMAGES HERE OF OTHER, UM, BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEEN APPROVED WITHIN THE OVERLAY.
UM, DIFFERING MATERIALS IN THIS EXAMPLE, BREAKING UP THE BUILDING MASS.
UM, BUT MORE OF A, A GRAYSTONE FORM.
THIS IS MORE OF THE, YOU KNOW, TAN TO BROWNS.
UM, AND THE CHICK-FIL-A HAS RECENTLY, UM, BUILT HAS THE TAN COLORS.
SO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, UH, THE SIDES WERE, WERE GENERALLY GLASS ACCENTING WITH BLUE, UM, OR WHITE ON THE FRONT WITH, UH, A GREAT GRID HERE ON THE, THE BACK
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OF THE BUILDING FACING EAST LARGE BLOCK PATTERN DESIGN.AS YOU CAN SEE, MATERIALS ARE, ARE LARGE SORT OF PRE PRECAST CONCRETE AND PRECAST METAL FORMS, UH, WHICH IS REALLY INCONSISTENT IN ITS COLOR AND MATERIALS AND TEXTURE, UM, WITH THE REST OF THE OVERLAY.
UM, THE, I'M SORRY, THE COMMITTEE LAST TIME OF COURSE HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT AS WELL.
STAFF, UM, AND ASKED SOME UPDATES FROM THE DEVELOPER TO INCLUDE BREAKING UP THE MASS OF THE SAW A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT REDUCTION IN GLASS, BUT ALSO A CHANGE IN COLOR FROM THE WHITE TO, UM, WERE OF THE OTHER FORMS THAT ARE SUBMITTED THAT ARE COMMON WITHIN THE
SO, UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE THERE STILL HAS THE GLASS ACCENT HERE ON THE FRONT.
HOWEVER, UM, WITH, AS WE MENTIONED, PLACING THE GRAY.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE LIGHT ROOF LINE ALONG ABOVE THAT HAS SORT OF REDUCED THE IMPACT OF THE GLASS.
THERE IS NOW AN OVERHANG THAT EXTENDS FORWARD.
UM, IN BOTH OPTIONS, THERE IS A MIXING OF, UM, COLOR PATTERNS WITH THE COM, WITH THE STANDARD BEING A GRAY WITH VARYING SHADES OF GRAY.
UM, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE ARE, UM, CHANGES IN THE, THE ELEVATION HERE WITH ELEVATED WALLS.
UM, SO IT BECOMES MORE OF A FORM BUILDING, WHICH IS MORE CONSISTENT WHAT WE'D EXPECT WITHIN THE AIR RELAY.
THIS IS OUR FIRST PARKING DECK WITHIN THE AIR RELAY.
UM, BUT THAT THE EXPECTATION OF STAFF.
UM, IS THAT A, WHERE A DECK COMES IN, IT SHOULD HAVE, SHOULD LOOK MORE LIKE A BUILDING THAN A STANDALONE, UM, MORE COMMERCIALIZED DECK.
THIS HAS A BUILDING FORM, WHICH IT MAKES A LOT MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE AIRPLANE.
THE OPTIONS, AS WE WERE TALK AS WE'VE WALKED THROUGH, THIS IS OPTION ONE, THE TWO, THERE'S SOME VARYING DISTINCTIONS.
I GUESS THE, THE LARGEST DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO IS HOW THE DECK ITSELF IS TREATED.
UM, AGAIN, ELEVATED WALLS REPLACE THE SORT OF METAL SAFETY WIRES THAT WENT ACROSS HERE.
UM, THERE IS A VARIANCE SHADE OF GRAY ON THE ELEVATIONS.
UM, THERE IS ON THIS SIDE THE SAME TYPE OF CONCEPT.
YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATED WALLS HERE.
UM, SAME, SO YOU DON'T SEE THE WIRE OF THE GRID.
THIS IS THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION, WHICH GOES BACK TOWARDS THE, UH, WETLANDS AND, UH, FLOOD PLAIN AREA.
UM, THAT ELEVATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
THAT'S ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
OPTION TWO IS PRETTY SIMILAR IN, IN SOME OF ITS FORMS, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PAINT PATTERN.
UM, AS FAR AS THE SHADING ON THIS SIDE ALSO, THIS IS THE SIDE THAT HAS THE WINDOW FORMS, UM, WHICH
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PROVIDES HERE.
UM, AND ALSO THE PATTERN ON THE OTHER SIDE IS, IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE OPTION ONE YOU JUST SAW WITH THE ELEVATOR BALLS ALONG THE DECK AND ALONG THE TOP.
AND THEN THIS IS THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION, WHICH WOULD MATCH THAT OF THE EASTERN ELEVATION.
UM, PART OF THIS WAS THE DAY DOORS WE'LL TALK ABOUT ON THIS WESTERN ELEVATION, AND THAT WAS A DIFFERENT EXCEPTION THAT WE'LL WE'LL TALK ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON, DENISE? OKAY, RAY, THIS IS JOSH.
UH, MS. CASH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE MATERIAL USED IN OPTION TWO, WHERE THE WINDOWS IS THAT GLAZED WITH GLASS? IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, BLUE AND GRAY.
I THINK I COULD LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER EXACTLY WHAT I THINK WE GOT GLASS MATERIAL.
SOME OF THESE ARE OPEN FORMS, IF I UNDERSTAND.
UM, THIS IS DAVE CALDY ARCH, ALL ARCHITECTS, THE, UM, THE INTENT IN THE DRAWINGS RIGHT NOW IS TO PROVIDE GLASS, UM, WHEN THERE'S A CONDITION SPACE BEHIND IT.
SO WHERE YOU SEE THE BLUE, UM, THAT'S THE SERVICE CENTER BACK IN THERE.
UM, BUT THE OTHER AREAS OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE MORE OF A MO MO WITH OPENNESS.
UM, BEING A PARKING STRUCTURE, WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OPENNESS OUTSIDE AIR.
UM, THAT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, THIS OPTION IN PARTICULAR JUST ADDS MORE DETAIL FOR, UM, KIND OF BREAKING UP THOSE OPENINGS A BIT MORE.
SO PROVIDES THE VISUAL APPEAL OR DESIGN THAT IS IN THE, THAT ONLY PORTIONS ARE RIGHT? THIS CLASS? YES.
I I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS CLASS.
I HAD ACTUALLY HAD THE SAME QUESTION.
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ON OPTION TWO, I MEAN, THAT BACK SECTION IS A LOT LONGER THAN IT IS IN OPTION ONE.AND OPTION ONE THE, THERE'S ONLY LIKE FOUR BAYS OF GARAGE AND THEN MM-HMM,
SO THERE'S, AND I GUESS THIS PORTION UP HERE IS WHERE THE, THE SERVICE AREA IS.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S IT'S, IT'S THE SURFACE AREA.
EVEN ON THE LAYER ABOVE THE, WHERE THE BLUE GLAZE GLASS IS, OR NO, NO, NO.
THE OTHER OPTION, UM, IT'S STILL A PARKING DECK UP THERE.
YOU CAN HAVE SOME AREA OF IT BE ENCLOSED.
UM, BUT AS WE WERE PLAYING AROUND WITH THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN, IT FELT STRANGE TO BE WRAPPING SOME OF THOSE HORIZONTAL OPENINGS OVER THE SERVICE TO YOUR QUESTION.
WITH OPTION ONE, BUT WHEN YOU PULL IT OVER AS OPTION TWO HAS YEAH.
IT MADE SENSE TO PULL IT OVER TWO REALLY IS MORE VENTILATION FOR THE GARAGE.
THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'D LIKE ENOUGH TO, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO ASK AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOW HEIGHT.
SO HOW FAR ABOVE THE PARKING DECK IS THE SILL OF THE WINDOW? WHAT'S THE HEIGHT ABOVE THE FLOOR LEVEL? IT'S 42 INCHES GUARDRAIL HEIGHT.
THAT'S WHERE THE SILL WOULD BEGIN.
AND THEN, UM, THIS IS A PRECAST STRUCTURE.
SO THE, UM, THE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE FLOOR IS QUITE THICK.
UM, IT HAS THESE DOUBLE T CONCRETE UNITS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET THICK.
SO THE BANDS THEMSELVES ARE ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT FEET TALL.
AND THEN BELOW THAT FLOOR DECK ABOUT ANOTHER ROUGHLY THREE OR FOUR FEET.
AND WITH THOSE OPENINGS, WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THEY'RE GONNA SCREEN HEADLIGHTS? UH, A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THE WALL STRUCTURE ITSELF ABOUT 42.
ABOVE THE, ABOVE THE, THE DECK? YES.
AND THAT'S HIGHER THAN IT WAS BEFORE, RIGHT? OR WELL, NO, I MEAN, BEFORE WE HAD THE CABLE RAIL, IT WAS THE CABLE.
SO IT WAS REALLY, THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY WALL.
SO THE CABLE RAIL, THE TOP OF IT WOULD'VE BEEN FOUR, TWO MINUTES ALL OPEN, RIGHT? YES.
SO YOU SEE HEADLIGHTS AND THIS BECAUSE OF THE, ALL THE WALLS HERE, YOU WANT, YOU SHOULDN'T SEE ON THE HEADLIGHTS.
WELL, UNLESS YOU PARK A, THIS RAISED PICKUP TRUCK, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TROUBLE IN THAT DECK.
AND THE, AND THE WALL ON THE TOP LEVEL IS ALSO 42 INCHES? SAME THING? YES.
AND THEN, SO, AND HOW HIGH ARE THE LIGHTS ON THE TOP LEVEL? YOU WERE ABOUT, UM, EIGHT FEET AND 10 FEET.
UM, THAT, I GUESS THE EIGHTS TOWARDS THE RIGHT SIDE, 10 TOWARDS EIGHT'S, ABOUT EIGHT'S, ABOUT THE MIDDLE.
WE CAN PULL UP THAT LIGHT PLAN LATER.
BUT ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING DECK, WHERE THE EIGHTS END, WE, WE TRIED TO DO A, A VISUAL OF THAT TOO, TO MAKE SURE THAT NO LIGHT PENETRATES BEYOND THE WALL.
SO WE CREATED THE WALL HEIGHT ON THE PERIMETER GARAGE.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIGHT DOESN'T GO BEYOND IT.
SO WE KEPT THE, THOSE LIKE EIGHT FOOT, AND THEN AS THEY GOT CLOSER TO THE WEST SIDE, THEY GOT UP TO 10 FEET, SO TALLEST.
SO THERE'S ONLY TWO ROWS ON THE, ON THE PARKING THERE.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT INFORMATION.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA SHOW THIS LATER, BUT IT SEEMED THAT THE LIGHTING WAS NOT ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE DECK.
IT'S ONLY IN THE CENTER AND IN THE WEST.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT, I SENT A, I DID FIND AN ERROR IN THAT, UM, THE VERY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JOSH, IT'S THE SAME AS IT WAS THE FIRST TIME.
FOR SOME REASON, WHEN WE RESENT IT WITH THE UPDATED LANDSCAPE DRAWINGS, UH, THAT LAYER WAS PULLED OFF.
I THINK I SENT THAT TO RAY, WHAT, FRIDAY RAY, RIGHT? THE UPDATED DRAWING.
AND I, I, I SHARED THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE THIS AFTERNOON, THE UPDATED PAGE.
SO WE DO HAVE A ROW OF LIGHTS ON THE WESTERN HALF, JOSH ON THE WESTERN, BUT NOT ON THE EASTERN.
ON THE EASTERN WE HAVE WALL PACKS.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS, UM, IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORING LOCALITY MENTIONING THE POTENTIAL FOR LIGHT SPILL OVER TO THE EAST, IF THERE'S NO POLE MOUNTED LIGHTS ON THE EASTERN PORTION, UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MUCH LESS OPPORTUNITY FOR OVERHEAD LIGHT SPILL.
AND JOSH, JUST TO CLARIFY, THOSE LIGHTS ARE NOT VERY TALL THAT ARE ON TOP OF THE ROOF.
I MEAN, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE EIGHT FEET TALL, 10 FEET TALL.
I MEAN, IF YOU WERE DOING A NORMAL PARKING LOT, I MEAN, YOU WOULD HAVE MUCH TALLER LIGHTS.
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ARE MORE, MORE POLES IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAN WE WOULD HAVE IF WE HAD TALLER POLES.'CAUSE THE SHORTER THE POLE, THE, THE LIGHT DOESN'T GO QUITE AS FAR.
AND I GUESS EXPLAINING FURTHER, OR ON THE SUBJECT OF, OF THE LIGHTING, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIGHTING DESIGN AND THE, IN THE, IN THE, UM, SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE LIGHTS, THE INTENT ARE FOR THESE LIGHTS TO BE DIM FROM A, FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT AFTER HOURS, THESE WOULD BE DIMMED DOWN TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF LESS THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IT WOULD ONLY, UM, COME UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH OCCUPIED SENSOR SENSORS IN A SECURITY SITUATION.
SO THERE WASN'T INTENT TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MAINTAIN LOWER LEVELS, UM, DUST WILL ON, AND THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE OVERLAY, UM, THAT THOSE LIGHTS BE DEMOABLE, UM, TURNED DOWN AFTER WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED.
UM, AND ALSO THAT THEY CAN ACT OR COME ON FOR SECURITY REASONS FOR THAT.
I, I, I APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE INTENT AND WHAT'S BEEN, UH, PRESENTED.
THE COMMENT WAS THAT THE LIGHT, UM, WAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT WAS THAT THE LIGHT WOULD BE CONTAINED WITHIN THE AREA OF BEING LIT.
SO JUST AGAIN, ALSO FOR THE RECORD TO KIND OF GET THIS INTO OUR PROCEEDINGS, WHAT IS THE ELEVATION OF THE WALL HEIGHT ABOVE THE DECK AT THE, UH, TOP LEVEL? THAT WAS NOT REAL.
IT WAS A LITTLE HARD FOR ME TO READ IN OUR PACKET.
HOW FAR ABOVE THE ROOF, ABOVE THE ROOF DECK DOES THAT WALL WALL GET ELEVATED? IS IT SIX FEET, FOUR AND A HALF FEET? WHAT IS THE HEIGHT? I THINK YOU'RE STILL 42.
SO IT'S 42 INCHES, THREE AND A HALF FEET, 42 INCHES.
UM, REQUEST TWO WAS REGARDING BUILDING MATERIALS.
AS WE'VE SORT OF TALKED ABOUT AND DANCED AROUND ALREADY AND THIS DISCUSSION, UM, THERE ARE THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS OR MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS THAT IS LOOKED FOR IN THE OVERLAY.
UM, I WOULD NOTE THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, TRIM AND, AND LIKE GLASS CAN ONLY BE USED AS AN ACCENT, UM, MATERIAL.
UM, THE ROOF, OF COURSE, THIS WAS SET UP TO BE DESIGNED FOR A PITCHED ROOF ENVIRONMENT.
SO OF COURSE THERE'S MATERIALS THAT ARE UTILIZED.
UM, ARE THOSE YOU'D EXPECT TO HAVE WITH A PITCHED ROOF DESIGN.
UM, THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE THE CONCRETE PANELS, GLASS METAL PANELS, AND SPRAYED CONCRETE VENEER ON THE COLUMNS.
UM, TRIM WOULD BE SOME, UH, METAL POP PANELS AND FLAT ROOF WITH LINER.
AND OF COURSE, THE CONCRETE OF THE PARKING DECK.
UM, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, STAFF IS JUST LABELED WHERE THERE'S MATERIALS WERE.
UM, THE METAL GRID, WHICH IS NO LONGER IN THE PROPOSALS TOWARD THE REAR CONCRETE PANELS, METAL PANELS, AND THEN THE GLASS WITH OF COURSE, THE LINER.
UM, THE MATERIALS ARE GENERALLY THE SAME.
THERE'S BEEN MODIFIED IN FORM AND PROVISION HERE.
UM, CONCRETE PANELS, AGAIN, METAL PANEL GLASS WITH A LINER, UM, ON EACH OF THESE ELEVATIONS, UH, THE PATTERN IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
A LITTLE BIT SMALLER FORMS IN DIFFERENT PLACES AND THE BREAKING UP OF BUILDING MASS.
UM, HOWEVER, THESE COULD CAST CONCRETE PANELS.
UM, UH, METAL PAN, SEE THE METAL GRIDS DISAPPEAR.
UM, OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE COMMITTEE FOR THE USE OF THESE MATERIALS.
CAN YOU GO BACK THERE FOR ONE SECOND? MM-HMM.
I'M JUST TRYING TO TOUCH ON THE THINGS THAT WE GOT FROM HENRICO.
UM, IN THIS NUMBER THREE, HE TALKS ABOUT CHANGES BEING PROPOSED TO THE COLOR PALETTE DESIGN, UM, AND MENTIONS ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING COULD BE ACHIEVED.
UM, HE'S ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIGHTING FROM THE OPENINGS OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE.
I THINK WE KIND OF COVERED THAT, BUT HE DOESN'T GIVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON THE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DONE TO BREAK IT UP MORE.
ALTHOUGH OPTION TWO DOES SEEM TO BREAK IT UP A LOT WITH THE WINDOWS.
I DUNNO, MR. OR MR. GILLESPIE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON
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THAT? UM, I SHARED THE SAME INTEREST IN HEARING A, YOU KNOW, A, A SUGGESTION IN THAT COMMENT AND NOT RECEIVING ONE.UM, WE HAD TALKED IN THE MEETING IN OCTOBER ABOUT SOME, UM, BLINDS, BASICALLY SOME BLIND WINDOWS.
UM, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO CORRELATE THESE STYLES, YOU KNOW, WITH
SO I, I'VE, I I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND PLAY MY HAND HERE.
I MEAN, I PREFER THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL AND OPTION TWO, AND HAVING HEARD THE RESPONSE TO COMMENTS SO FAR, THIS SCREENING THAT'S GONNA BE PROVIDED UP TO THREE AND A HALF FEET ABOVE THE FLOOR DECK LEVEL, UH, CUTTING OFF MOST OF THE HEADLIGHT FROM THE VIEW.
UM, AND THEN THE AMBIENT LIGHT CAN BE MONITORED IN THE EVENING TO A, A DIMM LEVEL.
AND I ASSUME THAT WOULD BE A RELATIVELY DIM LEVEL FROM THE CEILING LIGHTS IN THE PARKING DECK AREAS? THAT IS CORRECT, JUDGE.
I WOULD, I WOULD ASK, UM, SINCE WE HAVE IT IN VIEW HERE IN THE ISOMETRIC, WHAT, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL PROPOSED FOR THE ENCLOSURE AROUND THE, UM, EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF, I BELIEVE FOR, FOR THIS AREA HERE? YEAH.
UM, I BELIEVE CAST CONCRETE, THAT'S NOT PRETTY CAST OUT THERE.
THERE'S A, I CAN GET TO THIS ELEVATION.
YEAH, I THINK WE LISTED THAT AS A, UM, UH, CITYSCAPES.
SKID SCAP SCREENING MATERIAL'S.
SO THE CITYSCAPE SYSTEM IS A, UM, IT'S A MORE OF A LIGHTWEIGHT PANEL SYSTEM, HAS A METAL FRAME AND, UM, THE PANELS INSIDE CAN SLIDE AND OPEN.
THAT'S HOW YOU GET INTO THE AREA.
IT'S, YEAH, I'VE SEEN THAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S A PLASTIC MATERIAL, ULTIMATELY A PLASTIC WALL PANELING MATERIAL.
UM, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN THE DRAWINGS CURRENTLY.
AND WHAT IS THE HEIGHT? WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE FRAME? WELL, WE WOULD MATCH THE HEIGHT OF THE FRAME TO THE HEIGHT OF THE EQUIPMENT ONCE WE FIGURE OUT EXACTLY, YEAH.
IS THERE'D BE A CONDITION HAS BE SCREENED.
YEAH, IT WOULD BE AT OR JUST ABOVE, SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE HEIGHT OF ANY EQUIPMENT THAT'S ON THE ROOF.
THESE ACTUALLY HANG OFF OF THAT EQUIPMENT.
SO IT'LL BE TALL, IT'LL BE AS TALL OR TALLER.
THE EQUIPMENT'S ON, AND WE PRESUME THAT'S A SIX TO EIGHT FOOT RANGE.
UH, THEY WILL, THEY SHOULDN'T BE THAT TALL.
THEY, THEY WOULD BE SOMEWHERE FOUR OR FIVE FEET OFF THE ROOF.
YEAH, IT TOOK OVER TO YOU HEIGHT.
UM, THE NEXT, UH, ITEM THAT WAS STILL BEFORE THE DRC TO CONSIDER WAS MODIFICATION RELATED TO THE ROOF TREATMENT.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, ROOF TREATMENT IS TYPICALLY IN THE
NUMEROUS FLAT, UM, FINISHED ROOF DESIGN BALCONIES TO MIXED UP.
UM, FLAT ROOFS ARE PERMITTED OR, BUT THEY'RE DISCOURAGED.
UM, WHEN WE HAVE AN APPLICATION COMING FORWARD, UH, WE ASK STILL THAT THE, THE SIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THAT AS PART OF THE BUILDING DESIGN ITSELF.
UM, A PARAPET WALL, IF A FLAT ROOF IS USED, PARAPET WALL SHOULD BE USED TO THE EXTENT, UM, NECESSARY TO SCREEN ROOF TYPE EQUIPMENT, I'LL SAY IN THIS APP.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE AN INTERESTING APPLICATION WHERE YOU HAVE A PARKING DECK, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE SCREENING ELEMENT, UM, FOR THAT, THAT
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SO THE COMMITTEE LAST MONTH APPROVED TO DESIGN STAFF HAD ALSO RECOMMENDED ORIGINALLY THAT THERE BE HIGHER GROWING SHRUBS ALONG THE ROCK STREET FRONTAGE VIEW OF THE PARKING.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE THAT.
THEY'VE UPDATED THE, UM, SHRUB MATERIAL TO BE A SPECIES OR TWO SPECIES THAT ACTUALLY, UM, CAN BE MAINTAINED AT A HIGHER HEIGHT.
UH, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS REALLY A SMALLER GROWING SHRUB THAT WOULD, UM, TAKE SO LONG WHILE TO GET TO THE HEIGHT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR.
UM, IN THE CONVERSATIONS, THEY WERE ALSO ASKED BY THE COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE AREA, UM, SPECIFICALLY THESE BAYS, UM, I'M SORRY, THESE PARKING ISLANDS.
AND THEY'VE ALSO, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY'VE EXTENDED THE WALLS UP ON THE PARKING AREAS FOR THE PARKING DECK TO MINIMIZE THE USE THAT IMPACT.
UM, ADDITIONALLY PART OF THE SCREENING RELATED TO THE BAY DOORS, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A SERIES OF FLOW WALLS WITHIN THIS, UH, WITHIN THIS PLAN THAT ALSO FURTHER SORT OF SHIELD THAT THE MASSIVE PARKING THAT'S REALLY IN THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING.
AND SO STAFF IS ACCEPTING OF THE LANDSCAPE CHANGE RELATED TO PARKING.
AT PREVIOUS MEETING, UH, THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY HAD
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PROPOSED A VINYL COATED CHAIN LINK FENCE, WHICH IS NOT A PERMITTED MATERIAL.AND THE OVERLAY, UH, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMITTEE LAST TIME, THE APPLICANT WHILE WE WERE HERE IN THE MEETING, AGREED TO DO A, UM, CAST, I'M SORRY, BLACK CAST ALUMINUM FENCE.
AND THEY HAVE ALSO WORKED WITH STAFF, UM, THE PLANNING AND UH, UTILITY STAFF TO GET CORRECT AND IT'LL BE UP TO A KING FOOT, UM, FENCE FOR THAT.
AND SO NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE COMMITTEE.
THIS ALSO DOES HAVE LANDSCAPING ACROSS THE FRONT OF IT, AS WE TALKED ABOUT.
IF I MAY ADD, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE SOME ADDITIONAL SCREEN.
WE ADDED SOME LANDSCAPING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE DRIVE, RIGHT? OH, WELL, THAT'S RIGHT.
YEAH, THAT'S GOOD TO POINT THAT OUT.
UM, THIS ARE GONNA BE SOME EVERGREEN TREES THAT GOES ALONG.
THIS IS WHERE THE FENCE IS GONNA BE.
UM, THIS AREA HERE, LANDSCAPING, THE MISSIZED TIME BUILT BILL CAUGHT THAT FOR AND ADDED, ADDED FORCE.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IS MODIFICATION FOR STORAGE AND EQUIPMENT.
AND REALLY THIS RELATED TO THE BAY DOORS.
UM, THOSE SHOULD NOT BE FACED TOWARDS BROAD STREET ROAD AND THE BAY PROPOSAL.
THERE ARE THREE BAY DOORS, UM, FACING BROAD STREET ROAD, UM, WHICH WILL REQUIRE MODIFICATION.
WE'VE HAD SOME PREVIOUS EXAMPLES IN THE OVERLAY TO INCLUDE
UM, THE ALLEY DEALERSHIP DID NOT.
THEIRS WERE SIDELOADED, UM, GARAGE ACCESS COMING ON THE SIDE STREET RATHER THAN GARAGE STREET.
UM, THE COMMITTEE DID ASK THAT THEY'D HAD SOME, UM, MITIGATING WALLS AND LANDSCAPING SOME OF THE OTHER APPLICATIONS.
THEY'VE ALSO, UM, COMMITTEE ALSO LOOKED TO HAVE AN OVERHANG OVER THE BAY DOORS.
THE STAFF WAS TO APPROVE THOSE PLANS WORKING THE APPLICANT.
SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS MODIFIED FOR THEIR SERIES OF LOW WALLS WITHIN THE BUFFER.
THEY'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL EVERGREEN TREES THROUGH HERE.
UM, THERE ARE TALLER GROWING SHRUBS THAT ARE, WE TALKED ABOUT PROVIDED WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, THE, THE VIEW IS PARTIALLY SCREENED OR OBSCURED FROM THE EAST, OF COURSE, AND THEY'VE ADDED THIS OVERHANG OVER TOP OF THE BIG DOORS.
UM, AGAIN, AS PREVIOUS SLIDES SHOWED, THEY ADDRESSED THE WALLS AND THE LANDSCAPING.
I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER IMAGE OF THAT AS WELL TO SHOW THE WALLS.
SO HERE'S THE STONE WALL SECTION.
THEY HAVE, UM, WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE FOUND THE CORRECT MATERIAL THAT MATCHES WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET AND THE OTHER APPROVALS.
SO WE'LL BE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, NEIGHBORS IN THE OVERLAY.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPING, UH, SHOWS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT ELEVATED ABOVE BROAD STREET ROAD.
UM, THE WALLS IS A LITTLE BIT CHIN IN HERE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTING WITH THE GREEN AIRINGS THERE.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT PORCH UTILITIES CAN'T REALLY PLACE A WALL ACROSS FROM THAT, ACROSS THAT THE HOLLOW, THAT AREA IS OFFSET WITH THE EVERGREEN TREES, UM, THAT ADDRESS THE MITIGATION OR THE VIEW OF THE, OF THE BAYS.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'VE REACHED THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
I'M SORRY, THOUGHT TO GO OVER.
I'D ALSO ABOUT TO SHOW THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED THE PREVIOUS CONCERNS THAT THE COMMITTEE DID HAVE.
AND OF COURSE, STAFF BILL FOR QUESTIONS.
ANY COMMENTS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR US OR WHATEVER? UH, HAVEN'T SEND ME YET.
DID YOU SEND ME AN UPDATED PRESENTATION? YEAH.
WE WERE GOING TO, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE FORMAL INTRODUCTIONS THAT WE CAN GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW MR. DANIEL WASN'T HERE LAST TIME.
I'M THE ATTORNEY, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND, UM, WITH ME TODAY, JOEY WONG WOULD BE THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE HONDA DEALERSHIP.
AND I'M GONNA ASK JOEY TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIMSELF.
HE WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE THE FIRST MEETING.
UM, BILL KIMMEL IS WITH RAINIER CONSTRUCTION.
UH, BILL HAS DONE A NUMBER OF OTHER DEALERSHIPS, BOTH FOR JOEY AND OTHERS.
SO HE'S, UM, VERY EXPERIENCED AT BUILDING AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS.
DAVE ALBY, UM, IS WITH
AND THEN MATT HAMILTON'S DOWN ON THE END DOWN THERE.
HE'S THE REAL ESTATE BROKERS WITH CBRE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS.
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YOU KNOW, WE, UM, WE APPRECIATE THE, THE AMOUNT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTFULNESS THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS, BOTH ON THE STAFF'S PART AS WELL AS, UM, THIS COMMITTEE.YOU KNOW, WE, WE BROUGHT WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A GOOD, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATION THE LAST TIME AS FAR AS ARCHITECTURALS AND ELEVATIONS.
AND YET Y'ALL HAVE VERY, VERY DETAILED COMMENTS AND, AND QUESTIONS THAT REALLY GOT US TO, TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
AND FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN SITTING ON GROUP CALLS REALLY FOR A YEAR NOW, BUT, UM, FOR THE LAST MONTH FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, REALLY, REALLY SPECIFIC DETAILS REGARDING LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING.
AND, AND WE, WE, ONE OF THE LAST CALLS WE SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY A BETTER PRODUCT NOW.
UM, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE WAY IT TURNED OUT.
AND, AND FRANKLY, UM, IT TOOK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND, AND COMMENTS FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO, TO GET US TO FOCUS ON A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, THAT DIDN'T JUMP OUT AT US INITIALLY, BUT WE THINK WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A REALLY GOOD STRONG, YOU KNOW, OFFERING AT THIS POINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, UH, GOING AT THIS NOW FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND THREE OR FOUR MONTHS.
WE FIRST MET WITH JV AND, AND RAY AND STAFF.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF TRIPS DOWN HERE.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN TO BECOME REGULARS DOWN AT BELLA, CECILIA.
UM, SO JOEY AND, AND, UM, BILL AND, UM, DAVE, ALL, UH, OF WHOM ARE FROM OHIO HAVE REALLY GOTTEN TO LIKE GOOSE ONE.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY WERE FIRST LOOKING AT THE SITE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK IS SHORT, RIGHT? UM, BUT THEN WHEN THEY CAME OUT HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST MANY, MANY TRIPS OUT HERE, UM, THEY REALLY GOT TO FEEL WHAT GLAND IS ABOUT AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, MOST FOLKS ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ARE OUT HERE.
AND IT'S, IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A, IT'S A LONG PROCESS, BUT A GOOD PROCESS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INTERACTION ALONG EVERY STEP OF THE WAY HERE, PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THE STAFF, WITH THE BOARD.
UM, AND SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS, WHILE IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS, WE, WE'VE GOTTEN A REALLY GOOD, UM, END RESULT HERE.
UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER, YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE STILL SOME SPECIFIC COMMENTS.
I WAS, WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO IS JUST ALLOW, UM, JOEY TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN HIMSELF BECAUSE HE'S GOT A, A, HE'S GOT A REAL GOOD STORY AND, AND, AND A GOOD TRACK RECORD.
YOU KNOW, I, I'VE MADE THE POINT TO, UM, UH, TO OTHER, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE WERE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE WERE BEFORE THE BOARD REPRESENTING A LOT OF DEVELOPERS.
YOU KNOW, I SOMETIMES COME IN AND SORT OF MAKE THE PRESENTATION AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PERSON DEVELOPING THE SITE DEVELOPS IT AND THEN GETS OUT, RIGHT? THEY, THEY PUT IT TOGETHER AND THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE TO STAND BEHIND WITH WHAT THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING JOEY AS THE, THE LONG-TERM USER OF THIS SITE.
SO HE, HE, UM, HE'S INVESTED IN THIS, NOT JUST, NOT JUST AT THE BEGINNING, UH, BUT THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, THROUGH THE, UH, AS LONG AS THAT, UH, DEALERSHIP IS THERE.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SORT OF DO IS HAVE HIM JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT HIMSELF AND, AND TALK ABOUT HIS HISTORY WITH HONDA.
BECAUSE WE MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING.
WHEN YOU HAVE, UM, SORT OF NATIONAL USERS LIKE CHICK-FIL-A LIKE TOMMY'S, UM, YOU'LL OFTEN SEE THAT THEY HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS THAT THEY, THEY WON'T SWITCH FROM.
AND, AND I, I NOTICED THAT WITH SOME OF MY OTHER, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL CLIENTS.
YOU KNOW, YOU ASK THEM TO CHANGE THE ARCHITECTURALS AND IT'S MOVING HEAVEN AND EARTH, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THEY HAVE SORT OF A BRAND THAT THEY WANT TO KEEP.
AND, UM, WE, WE KNEW THAT HONDA HAS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE GLASS AND OTHER THINGS.
AND, AND JOEY WAS ABLE TO GO BACK AND SELL SOME OF THESE CHANGES TO THEM AND, AND GET THEM TO, TO BUY OFF OF THESE THINGS.
SO I JUST WANT HIM TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIMSELF.
UM, I KNOW I WAS JUST GONNA HAVE DAVE, TO THE EXTENT YOU WANTED TO SORT OF WALK THROUGH THE CHANGES, UH, THAT WE MADE AND JUST SORT OF EXPLAIN THEM.
RAY DID A REALLY THOROUGH JOB OF, OF DOING THAT.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY A RESULT OF THE FACT THAT RAY HAS GOTTEN TO KNOW BILL AND DAVE REALLY WELL UP
SO I GUESS WITH THAT, UM, I'LL ASK JOEY TO JUST GO BACK PERFECT TEXT MICHAEL.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GLAD TO BE HERE AGAIN.
HONESTLY, I DO REMEMBER THE FIRST TRIP THAT WE CAME UP HERE AND WE WERE IN THIS ROOM
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AND, UH, MEET JAMIE, MEET RAY AND EVERYBODY.YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN AN AMAZING YEAR AND A HALF OR A YEAR AND A FEW MONTHS.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, LET ME SAY THIS, IT'S BEEN A GREAT PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY QUICK STORY IS, YOU KNOW, I GREW UP IN A SMALL RURAL MARKET IN OHIO.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY FATHER EARNED US CITIZENSHIP BY PRACTICING MEDICINE IN A RURAL MARKET.
SO BACK IN THE 1970S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE US UH, THE UNITED STATES NEEDED SPECIALISTS.
MY FATHER'S AN FROM GYNECOLOGISTS IN RURAL MARKETS BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR SPECIALISTS WANT TO GO TOWARD THE METRO MARKETS.
SO I GREW UP IN, UH, IN A TOWN CALLED VILLE, OHIO.
AND, UM, AND REALLY IT TAUGHT ME A LOT.
REALLY TAUGHT ME ABOUT DOING BUSINESS IN MY OWN TOWN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING RESPECT FROM ANY DIFFERENT DIVERSITIES, FROM AFRICAN AMERICANS TO ASIANS TO CAUCASIANS, BUT ALSO FROM THE FARMER TO THE DOCTOR.
IT REALLY GAVE YOU AN AMAZING UPBRINGING.
AND I BRING THIS UP A LOT BECAUSE IT IS WHO I AM TODAY.
YOU KNOW, MY FATHER WANTED US ALL TO BE DOCTORS.
SO I HAVE A YOUNGER BROTHER AND A YOUNGER SISTER.
AND, AND WHY? 'CAUSE THEY WANTED US TO BE EDUCATED AND RESPECTED IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
SO I DID GRADUATE FROM DENTAL SCHOOL AT OHIO STATE, BUT HONESTLY, I'M DOING WHAT I LOVE.
UM, I WAS A CAR FANATIC AS A KID, AND I SOLD CARS FOR SUMMER JOBS WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE AND DID IT ALL THE WAY FOR, UH, MA USED CAR BUYER THROUGH COLLEGE AND THROUGH DENTAL SCHOOL.
UM, ABOUT TWO MONTHS OUT OF MY, UH, GRADUATING DENTAL SCHOOL, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY A NEW CAR STORE.
MY DAD, WHO DELIVERED THE CHEVY DEALERS, THREE GIRLS, HIS CHEVY DEALER WAS PASSING ME FROM PANCREATIC CANCER.
AND HE BROUGHT UP TO MY FATHER TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW YOUR SON'S A LITTLE CARBON ADDICT.
WHY DON'T YOU FIRE THE OCEAN? AND THAT'S REALLY HOW I GOT MY START.
AND MY, IT, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO IT.
MY DAD BROUGHT IT HOME AS A FAMILY JOKE AND THOUGHT THAT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, AND FOR ME, I'M BEGGING MY DAD TO GIVE ME THE CHANCE.
OF COURSE, IT WAS NO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M THE OLDEST OF THREE.
MY BROTHER'S A PHYSICIAN, MY LITTLE SISTER'S A PHYSICIAN, AND HE'S LIKE, LOOK, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE A BAD EXAMPLE TO OUR FAMILY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT? I, I WENT TO MR. ABERNATHY BEHIND HIS BACK, ENDED UP BUYING THE STORE, THE STORE.
BUT WHAT YOU DON'T REALIZE AS A KID IS, YOU KNOW, HERE, MY DAD HAD TO SIGN PERSONALLY FOR IT.
MY DAD HAD TO SIGN PERSONALLY FOR IT AT THE BANK.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WHEN IT ALL LINED UP, THAT WAS 24 YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, TODAY, UM, YOU KNOW, MY DEALERSHIP GROUP HAS NINE DEALERSHIPS, UH, FOUR OF 'EM BEING HONDA DEALERSHIPS, THREE HYUNDAI, TOYOTA, SUBARU, KIA, AND GENESIS.
UM, AROUND 700 EMPLOYEES NOW TODAY, UM, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SAY, HOW DID YOU GET TO WHERE YOU'RE AT? IT'S 'CAUSE GOD'S BLESSED ME WITH AMAZING PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I EVEN SHARED THIS WITH THESE GUYS AT DINNER TODAY, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE GONNA MEET.
YOU KNOW, IF WE COME THROUGH THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, I END UP MEETING MATT AT CBRE AND, AND ONE AN AMAZING CHRISTIAN MAN.
AND HE REFERS ME TO AN ATTORNEY AND, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE GONNA GET.
AND I GET THIS GUY WHO'S A, A GENTLEMAN, WELL-SPOKEN AND, AND REALLY THE RIGHT DEMEANOR FOR, FOR US AND AND FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO CREATE FRIENDSHIP THIS YEAR IN THREE OR FOUR MONTHS.
BUT WHAT I'VE SHARED WITH YOU IS THIS IS MY PATH TO BECOMING WHERE I'M HERE TODAY.
UM, SOMEHOW I'VE HAD THIS ABILITY TO STAY WITH WHAT I BELIEVED IN AND WHAT I WANTED TO DO EARLY IN MY CAREER.
I WANTED TO BE ON DEALER, STARTING PROBABLY BACK IN 2003 AND FOUR, I CONTINUED TO INTERVIEW WITH HONDA AND SHOW THEM WHAT I COULD DO.
AND IN 2014, THEY ALLOWED ME TO BECOME A HONDA DEALER.
THEY HIRED ME AS A CONTRACTOR IN AKRON, OHIO TO TAKE OVER ANOTHER HONDA DEALERSHIP.
AND THIS STORE ENDED UP GOING FROM, CALL IT MIDDLE OF THE PACK TO TOP 100 IN THE COUNTRY.
THERE'S BEEN AN EIGHT TIME PRESENCE AWARD DEALERSHIP FOR A HONDA MOTOR COMPANY.
AFTER THAT, THEY WERE KIND OF LIKE, HEY, WHO ARE YOU KID? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? SO I ENDED UP GETTING MY SECOND HONDA OPPORTUNITY ON THE WEST SIDE OF CLEVELAND.
AND THAT STORE TOO BECAME A PRESENCE AWARD DEALERSHIP.
AND I'VE CONTINUED TO STAY THAT PATH.
WE NOW HAVE A STORE IN NEW YORK THAT IS, UM, A TOP 100 DEALERSHIP FOR HONDA AS WELL.
WHEN HONDA WANTED TO ADD THIS POINT HERE IN VIRGINIA, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE APPLIED FOR IT AND A LOT OF GREAT DEALERS IN THE AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE FROM OUTSIDE THE MARKET AREA, BUT THROUGH THE WHOLE INTERVIEW PROCESS AT HONDA GIFTS, IT'S JUST ABOUT A YEAR LONG.
WE INTERVIEWED 20 PEOPLE, WAS FROM 20 TO 10, 10 TO FIVE,
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AND FIVE TO THREE.AND I STILL REMEMBER PEOPLE AT THE NATIONAL SIDE OF HONDA SAYING TO ME, SO DON'T BE DISAPPOINTING IF YOU DON'T GET IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD APPLICANTS, BUT WE'RE ROOTING FOR YOU.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, HONDA END UP GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT AND THIS GREAT RELATIONSHIP I HAVE WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ABLE TO SEE SOME OF THESE CHANGES HAPPEN.
AND, AND, AND HONESTLY, THEY, THEY MADE JOKES TO ME LIKE, JOE, ALL OF OUR HONDA DEALERSHIPS ARE WHITE AND THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE THE SAME BLUE STRIPE ON IT.
BUT HERE, THIS IS A SPECIAL COMMUNITY THAT I'M WORKING WITH.
AND HERE WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME CHANGES.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THESE ARE GOOD CHANGES.
AND UM, AND HERE WE ARE MADE SOME AMAZING CHANGES TO THIS BUILDING THAT I DO THINK ARE VERY FUL AND DO FIT THE COMMUNITY MUCH BETTER.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW MUCH MORE WE CAN BEND FROM THEM TO BE HONEST, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THEY'RE, THEY WORK WITH US.
AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH MAIN MANUFACTURERS FROM HYUNDAI TO BILL KNOWS.
WE JUST FINISHED A NEW HYUNDAI STORE.
AND, AND I'M NOT LYING TO YOU WHEN I TELL YOU THIS, WHEN THEY WALKED IN THE STORE, THE TINTS ONE COLOR DIFFERENT FROM THE LEFT SIDE TINT, IT MADE US FROST, ALL THOSE WINDOWS.
IT'S THEIR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.
IT'S TYPICALLY HOW THEY SAY IT.
YOU KNOW, HERE, IT'S BEEN A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WE'VE HAD WITH HONDA AND THEY'RE EXCITED FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, AN AMAZING DEALERSHIP HERE.
AND, UH, WE'RE EXCITED, EXCITED TO BE PART OF GO.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN MICHAEL TALKS ABOUT TOO, ABOUT WHY IT'S WHO WE ARE, I CAN TELL YOU THIS, OUR FOUR SONS, 16, 21, 26, AND 30, AND, UH, MY 30 AND MY 26-YEAR-OLD ARE IN THE BUSINESS ALREADY.
MY 21 YEAR OLDS AT NORTHWOOD UNIVERSITY, WHICH IS NOT A OUT OF COLLEGE.
THESE BOYS ARE READY TO COME INTO BUSINESS WITH ME.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I HOPE TO BE DOING THIS.
HE, SCOTT WILLING UNTIL THIRD, YOU KNOW, 30 MORE YEARS, HOWEVER MANY MORE YEARS HE LETS ME DO IT.
BUT I KNOW THIS, THAT WE'RE GONNA DO AN AMAZING JOB FOR YOU.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A GREAT REPUTATION.
WE'RE STAND BEHIND OUR, AND I'LL FINISH WITH THIS, THIS COMMUNITY MEETING WE HAD HERE WAS GREAT.
YOU KNOW, I HAD PEOPLE WHO EMAILED ME THAT SAID, HEY, I CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU GUYS TO OPEN.
AND PEOPLE WHO CAME, UM, AND SAID, HEY, I'M READY TO BUY MY NEXT HONDA FROM YOU GUYS.
AND, UH, I CAN'T WAIT FOR OUR GRAND OPENING.
SO MY QUICK STORY, SORRY ABOUT
SO IF Y'ALL WANT TO HEAR FROM DAVE AND HAVE HIM SORT OF WALK THROUGH, I RAY MAY HAVE COVERED, UM, WHAT, WHAT YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS, BUT, UM, WE'LL SORT OF FOLLOW THE COMMITTEE'S LEAD ON HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED HERE.
I THINK I, MOST OF IT'S PRETTY CLEAR FROM WHAT MR. CASH WENT OVER AND I THINK IT IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
UM, I HAVE TO ASK, UM, MR. GILLESPIE WHAT HIS THOUGHTS ARE ON THE FRONT.
THAT'S, I THINK BIG DIFFERENCES WERE MADE ON THE SIDES.
I'LL TRY TO GET THAT ELEVATION CHANGE.
RAY, IF HE COULD PULL OUT THE FRONT ELEVATIONS.
DAVE, MAYBE YOU CAN WALK THROUGH.
DOES THAT WORK? SO, UM, I'LL JUST DO A, A VERY QUICK BRIEF SUMMARY.
OF THE COMMENTS FROM LAST TIME TO WHERE WE'RE NOW.
SO ONE, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, WAS THE AMOUNT OF GLASS, UM, FROM THE BUILDING.
UH, ANOTHER ONE WAS THE COLOR OF THE BUILDING, THE MORE OF THE FIRST TONE FEEL.
UH, ANOTHER ONE WAS THE MORE UNIFIED APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING AND THE, HOW THE PARKING STRUCTURE SCREENING WAS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS, UH, AROUND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
A COUPLE OTHER THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, BUT, UM, IF ANY POINTS ON THAT GIVE YOU ANALYSIS, YOU'RE, OH, UM, YEAH, WE'LL GO THIS FAR.
SO, UM, THE EXERCISE THAT WE WENT THROUGH, UM, BETWEEN THE ELEVATIONS WAS, THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT WE HAD, UM, IN OUR LAST MEETING, AND IT WAS THAT LAST, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF 50%, AND IF IT WAS OVER 50%, IT WASN'T TODAY ACCENT MATERIAL, THE WAY WE WERE INTERPRETING
SO, UM, IN THIS EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE SHOVELING IS THAT THE GLASS PERCENT OF THE TOTAL ELEVATION THAT FACED BROAD IS LESS
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THAN 50.PREVIOUSLY WE WERE AT 57 AND IT WAS A LOT OF GLASS.
TINY GLASS WAS REALLY HIGH, UM, OBVIOUSLY FROM WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE.
THERE'S THAT FOREHEAD THAT WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IN THE FOUR.
UM, IT'S BEEN INTRODUCED TO THE BUILDING.
WE BEEFED UP THE THICKNESS OF THE INTERMEDIATE BREAKS IN THE GLASS UP A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, WHAT IS THE, WHAT WERE, WHAT WAS THE WIDTH BEFORE AND WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THOSE NOW? OR THE, IN THE TWO OPTIONS? IT'S, UM, I WANNA SAY IT'S LIKE TWO FEET WIDE NOW.
AND PREVIOUSLY IT WAS LIKE A FOOT, ROUGHLY MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WE, WE, WE FELT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE THIS DRAWING RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS TALKING ABOUT THE VISUAL WHEN YOU'RE ON THE SECOND FLOOR INSIDE THIS BUILDING.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, THE PART, PART OF THE REASON WHY, UM, WE'RE HALL IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS BECAUSE OF THE SITE CONSTRAINTS.
IF, IF THE SITE WAS LARGER, WE, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING A SECOND FLOOR REALLY AT ALL.
WE WOULDN'T BE DOING THE PARKING STRUCTURE.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A REALLY COSTLY ITEM TO DO.
SO BECAUSE WE'RE, WE HAVE A SMALLER SITE TO WORK WITH, WE HAVE TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
AND SO ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THIS IS A, AN IMAGE OF A PERSON, FIVE FOOT, SIX EYE LEVEL.
AND WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU'RE ON THAT SECOND BALCONY LEVEL LOOKING OUT, AND WE, WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE WHERE WE HAVE LOWERED THIS FOREHEAD COMPONENT TO A PIECE THAT'S LOWER THAN WHERE THIS EYE SIGHT LINE IS.
AND IT'S NOT A GOOD, IT'S NOT, YOU'RE BLOCKING THE VIEW OUT OF THE BUILDING AT THAT POINT.
YOU'RE ONLY ABLE TO REALLY LOOK AT THE PARKING LOT WHEN YOU'RE SITTING UP ON THAT SECOND FLOOR.
UM, IT, IT REALLY IS A KIND OF A, I'M SPEAKING AS AN ARCHITECT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, KNOW POETIC FOR JUST A MOMENT, BUT
YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE INSIDE OF A HELMET ALMOST WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE THE SPACE.
UM, SO WE, WE HAVE FELT THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT HEIGHT SO THAT WHEN YOU ARE STANDING THERE, THAT YOU CAN STILL SEE STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BUILDING AND YOU'RE NOT BLOCKED BY, YOU KNOW, ADVISOR.
THE OTHER THING I THINK THAT THIS DRAWING SHOWS YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE IS THIS, UM, PROJECTED CANOPY, WHICH WE DIDN'T, RIGHT.
THE BLUE AND THE WHITE LEVELS.
THIS IS COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING FAIRLY DEEP, UM, THE OFF OF THIS, BUT IT'S ROUGHLY PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 FEET FROM THE FACE OF GLASS TO WHERE THIS, UM, COMES OUT.
SO THERE'S A VERY LARGE OVERHANG.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE BRI ON YOUR HAT COMING OUT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
AND I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AND JOSH, YOU HAD THIS, UM, COMMENT RELATED TO THIS AWNING RIGHT HERE ABOUT BRINGING THAT OUT THREE FEET SO THAT THE SHADOW LINE FROM THAT CANOPY WOULD ESSENTIALLY HIDE THE, UM, THE DOORS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE SHADOWS A BIT MORE.
THIS IS A NORTH FACING ELEVATION, SO IT WILL HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SHADOWS MOST OF THE TIME.
BUT THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE RIGHT NOW IS THAT, UM, THERE IS KIND OF A, A, A BROOM, A HAT BROOM TO THIS THING THAT IS FURTHER MAKING THE GLASS BE SET BACK FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, REGULAR ELEVATION THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE, THERE SHADOW LINE AS WELL.
THERE'S A BIGGER SHADOW AS WELL.
ACROSS THE GLASS IS AN OPTION ONE AND TWO, THE SMALLER TOP PART IS THAT I, I THOUGHT THAT THE, THE NEW PARAPET WAS THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS THE REST OF THE ROOF.
SO WAS THAT THE SCREENING OR IS THAT ANOTHER, OR IS THAT THE PARAPET AND I RIGHT HERE? NO, RIGHT ABOVE IT.
THIS THING? YEAH, THAT'S THE SCREENING AROUND THE OH, MECHANICAL UNITS.
IF YOU LOOK AT ELEVATION, BUT THAT PER LEVEL IS THE SAME AROUND THAT'S, YOU'RE SEEING THE GARAGE.
SO IF YOU'RE AT THAT EYE LEVEL, YOU'LL SEE THE SCREENING AS WELL.
THE SCREENING IN HERE WOULD BE A GRAY WOULD BE.
AND AS JOEY KIND OF, UM, TALKED ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH HONDA, THEN, UH, A HANDFUL OF, WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT WE CAN RESUBMIT CHANGE THIS AND THAT.
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HONDA HAS BEEN VERY, UM, ACCOMMODATING AS FAR AS MEETING AND BEING ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.BUT TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, IT WAS LIKE, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY AS FAR AS WE CAN KIND OF PUSH THE PROTOTYPE, UH, LANGUAGE WITH HONDA.
THEY FELT THAT GOING FROM THIS UPPER VIEW DOWN TO THIS WAS A, UM, A COMPROMISE EVEN IN THEIR, IN THEIR LENS.
SO I KNOW THAT'S A RELATIVE COMMENT TO A DEGREE, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT IN THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE THEY, UM, THEY ULTIMATELY NEED TO APPROVE IT AS WELL.
BUT I WILL JUST SAY, UM, JUST KIND OF ECHOING A LITTLE BIT.
I DON'T HAVE A, I GO TO SOME OF THE 3D VIEWS, BUT, UM, UM, I THINK THEY'RE, DO YOU NEED Y'ALL SEE THEM? I THINK THEY'RE OKAY.
THAT'S, THIS IS, BUT UM, THE PRODUCT IS BETTER.
I THINK THAT, UM, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THIS COMMITTEE HAS MADE THE BUILDING A BETTER BUILDING ULTIMATELY.
UM, AND QUITE HONESTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE THESE REZONING COMMUTES IS THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE CARE ABOUT WHAT THE FINAL PRODUCT WOULD BE LIKE, IT'S NOT ABOUT JUST CHECKING BOXES.
UM, IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE CHARACTER, EVERYTHING TIES IN.
SO I, I HOPE THAT THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY, UM, ZONING COMMITTEES ARE IMPORTANT, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING.
AND I'D SAY THAT'S A KUDOS TO YOU GUYS.
BUT WE ALL AGREED THAT ONCE WE GOT DONE, WE SAID, WOW, THIS REALLY DOES LOOK AND FEEL BETTER.
IT'S BEEN, THE DESIGN HAS BEEN ELEVATED.
UM, YOU WANT, UM, SURE YOU WANNA DO THE CITIZEN COMMENT, RIGHT? UH, YEAH, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, UM, OR WHATEVER, UH, I KNOW THAT WE DID HAVE A CITIZEN MINUTE EMAIL THAT'S HERE.
YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIM AS WELL.
IT'S UP TO IS STAFF COMFORTABLE WITH THE PERCENTAGE OF GLASS ON THE FRONT NOW? UM, LIKE THERE'S NOT EXACT BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THAT IS.
I MEAN, THE ORDINANCE DOES PROVIDE THAT.
A GLASS SHOULD MAYBE BE AN ACCENT.
UM, IT'S
I THINK WHEN WE LOOKED BACK AT, WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED WITH THE AUDI DEALERSHIP, UM, THAT REDUCTION.
UH, SO WHAT THEY HAD WAS APPROVAL, UH, NO MORE THAN 30% OF A BUILDING, MORE, 35% OF A FACADE COULD BE A CERTAIN, UM, MATERIAL.
UM, IT'S WHAT THEIR, THEIR BREAKDOWN WAS FOR THEIR FRONT FACADE OF THAT BUILDING.
UM, AND YOU SEE THEY HAD A SIMILAR PROVISION WHERE THEY BROUGHT THE HEADER DOWN, UM, FOR THIS, AGAIN, THEIR BUILDING WAS, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BUILDING ORIENTATION AS FAR AS WHAT THEY, WHERE LAYOUT WAS CLOSER TO THE ROADS.
THEY'VE GOT THE BAY DOORS ON SIDE.
SO WE HAVE ABOUT SEVEN, ABOUT A SEVEN FOOT ELEVATION FROM THE ROAD AND WHERE, YOU KNOW, OUR ELEVATION'S GONNA BE IN THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT I JUST REMEMBERED THERE WAS A PERCENTAGE ON LOCATION, UM, FOR THAT THERE IS A, THERE'S A BREAKDOWN WHAT EACH ONE ENDED UP BEING.
UM, BUT UM, THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION.
SO YOU COME OUT ABOUT 35% SORT OF THE MAXIMUM OF THAT, OF THAT FACADE TO BE THAT.
IF NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN OPEN UP FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
UH, MY NAME IS PAUL COSTELLO AND, UM, HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THIS IS EVOLVING TO BE A BETTER PART AND, UH, WELCOME YOU TO, TO
YOU, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE, THE DESIGN VIEW COMMITTEE, UM, AND THE THOROUGHNESS AND THOUGHTFULNESS INTO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CONTINUE TO BE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT, RAY, COULD YOU BRING UP THE WEST VIEW
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ELEVATION? CAN YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS? THAT'S, SORRY.IT'S, UH, SYCAMORE CREEK DRIVE IN MIN SABO, UM, THE WEST LOOKING AT IT FROM THE WEST VIEW, LIKE AFTER, FROM THE LAST, UM, FELL UFF PLACE, BUT THAT'S THE OLD ONE.
THAT'S JUST, SO THEY JUST COUPLE UNDERSTAND THE BASICS.
THE, WHAT IS THE ELEVATION FROM THE GROUND TO THE TOP OF THE 42 INCH WALL ON THE TOP DECK, ROUGHLY THE, I'M GUESSING 45, 50 FEET.
IT'S 32 FEET, 32 FEET, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
I ONLY, I HAVE, I HAVE TO MENTION HERE IT MATCHES THE SHOWING.
YEAH, IT'S 32 FEET TO THE, TO THE TOP OF THAT 42 INCH WALL TWO.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, ON THE WEST SIDE, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S 10 FOOT HOLES LIGHTING POLE THAT ALIGN, THAT FOLLOW ON THAT LEFT SIDE? YES.
BUT THAT WILL, THE, THE LIGHTING POLE HEIGHT WILL COME OFF OF THE DECK HEIGHT, WHICH IS THAT 28 EIGHTH.
SO IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY 35 FEET, 38, YEAH, 38 FEET, 35 FEET, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
UM, AND THEN YOU ALSO SAID THAT ON THE EASTERN SIDE YOU DO WALL PACKS.
WHAT YOU SAID, WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHY THE WALL, WHY, WHY WOULDN'T YOU HAVE UNIFORMITY OF WALL PACKS AROUND THE ENTIRE UPPER DECK? LIKE WHAT'S THE RATIONALE OF HAVING LIGHT POLES ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT WALL PACKS ON THE, ON THE EASTERN SIDE.
UM, SO THIS DRAWING STARTS TO SHOW IT TO YOU A LITTLE BIT.
THESE ARE THOSE POLES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE HERE THAT THESE ARE TALLER, TWO FEET TALLER THAN THOSE THESE POLES ARE TO ILLUMINATE THE PARKING ON THE ROOF.
UM, I MEAN THIS, THIS IS INVENTORY PARKING.
SO WHEN CUSTOMERS ARE LIKE, THIS TIME OF YEAR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE OUTSIDE, IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK AND IT'S LIKE, YEAH, IT'S HARD OUT HERE AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
SO YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT INVENTORY UP THERE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THESE POLES ARE ON TOP OF THE ROOF TO ELIMINATE THAT PART OF THEM.
WHAT WE DID WAS IS WE CAN EVEN TELL HERE WITH THE WINE THE LIGHT THAT COMES OUT OF THESE, UM, OUT OF THE, UH, THE FIXTURE ITSELF COMES OUT IN A ANGLE.
SO THIS LIGHT OVER HERE IS GONNA SPILL OUT TO A VALVE OVER HERE.
IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY DARK ON THE SIDE.
SO THE ALL DARK, I ASSUME THEY'RE ALL DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING RIGHT HERE? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, SO HERE'S MY, MY CONCERN WITH THAT FOUNDATION IS IF YOU'RE COMING FROM, SAY YOU'RE HEADING EAST, SO THIS, YOU COME UNDER THE 2 88 OVERPASS, YOU'RE PRETTY HIGH AT THAT POINT.
I MEAN, JUST THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND, YOU, YOU'RE ALREADY UP PROBABLY 30 FEET HIGHER THAN YOU WOULD BE AT THIS LOCATION AS YOU OR AT THAT COUNTING LINE.
AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 38 FOOT OR WHATEVER LIGHTS THAT'S ALONG THE ENTIRE STRING OF LIGHTS, I'M CONCERNED THAT I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND HOW IT WOULDN'T BE A VERY PROMINENT FEATURE UP UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, DEMO AND ALL THAT, BUT AT THIS TIME OF NIGHT, IF YOU, YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS THE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD A, A COMMERCIAL PARKING STRUCTURE, A VERY BIG SCALE STRUCTURE WITHIN THE OVAL INDUSTRY.
AND I THINK IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT TOPOGRAPHY, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO EXPERIENCE AS YOU ARE APPROACHING THIS FROM GO, SO YOU'RE COMING FROM A VERY DARK AREA AND YOU'RE SEEING THIS, THIS THING OFF OF THE DISTANCE ON THE HORIZON AS YOU GO UNDER 2 88, I, I THINK THAT MAYBE MORE NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED TO, TO MITIGATE THE LIGHTING EFFECT AND THE, UM, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE SEEN.
YOU MAY BE ON THE DECK, THE LIGHT MAY BE ON THE DECK, BUT IT'S HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND, IS THERE A BOX AROUND THE LIGHTS? I JUST THINK SOME MORE DIALOGUE OR DISCUSSION TO GET SOME CLARITY AS TO HOW CAN YOUR GOAL, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR GOAL AND I I THANK YOU FOR YOUR, THE OBJECTIVE OF THIS IS TO HOW YOU CAN REALLY CONTAIN THE LIGHT, GIVEN AGAIN, THE DEPART COMING FROM THE WEST, HEADING EAST, GIVING THE 38 FOOT HEIGHT OF, OF THESE LIGHT POLES.
AND YOU ARE ALMOST GONNA BE LOOKING, YOU TOP DOWN.
AND THEN AS YOU COME DOWN THE, YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING BOTTOM UP.
SO AS YOU COME INTO LIKE WHERE THE ENTRANCE TO, UH, WILKES CREEK GOING INTO THE, UH, UH, RESIDENCE END AREA, NOW YOU'RE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL, YOU'RE KIND OF COMING UP AGAIN, AND NOW YOU CAN BE LOOKING AT THOSE DECK LIGHTS FROM AN UPWARD PERSPECTIVE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF A 42 INCH WALL MITIGATES THE ISSUE, NOR DO I FULLY UNDERSTAND
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HOW THE, THE LIGHTING IS CONFIGURED AT IT'S 'CAUSE IT'S SO HIGH, IT'S SO MUCH HIGHER ABOVE THAT 42 INCH WALL.AND I APPRECIATE THE 42 INCH WALL.
I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD CHANGE FROM THE CABLES THAT YOU HAD AT THE LAST OPTION.
SO I WON'T SAY MORE, BUT THAT'S REALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE VIDEO IS ADDRESSING A NUMBER OF OTHER CONCERNS AND I WON'T TAKE TIME FOR TONIGHT TO REHASH THEM.
I THINK YOU'RE HONING IN ON OTHER CONCERNS AND CONSIDERATIONS AS I COMPILE WITH THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
BUT THIS ONE, I DON'T, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE I FULLY UNDERSTAND HOW, HOW YOU'RE ADDRESSING IT.
SO CAN WE GET, CAN WE GET A VIEW, UH, JUST TO KIND OF HELP SHOW THIS A LITTLE BIT, JUST PEOPLE, IT'S, I SAW IT IN THERE.
SO THAT'S A VIEW FROM, UH, ROAD RIGHT NOW LOOKING AT THE SITE, THERE'S A LOT OF LARGE TREES THAT ARE IN THIS RAVINE AREA.
UM, AND WE, WE DID THIS VIEW PREDOMINANTLY TO SHOW THAT, AND THIS ACTUALLY, BY THE WAY, THIS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BROAD, SO YOU WOULD NEVER REALLY EVEN HAVE THIS VIEW BECAUSE YOU'RE CLOSER, YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING.
BUT WE'VE, WE WANTED TO SHOW THIS ONE JUST BECAUSE THIS IS ON THE STREET, AND YES, IF YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD BE SEEING LOOKING AT THE DEALERSHIP.
BUT THERE'S A, UM, QUITE A BIT OF, UH, TREES, THE
AND THEN THE LIGHTING IS WHAT YOU SEE.
I GUESS THE, WELL, THE CURRENT EXAMPLE WAS YOU WENT TO THE CAPITAL ONE PARKING DESK, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF THE VALLAY DISTRICT, AND YOU WENT INTO THE MOSAIC NEIGHBORHOOD AT THIS TIME OF YEAR AND YOU LOOKED AT THE PARKING DECK OF CAPITAL ONE WITHOUT LEAVES ON IT.
IT'S EXTREMELY, UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S OUTSIDE THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE EFFECT YOU GET.
AND I THINK JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE, THE, THE SIZE OF THE HILL, THE DIFFERENCE IN, IN THE TOP OF THE HILL TO THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL AND THEN COMING UP AGAIN WITHOUT THOSE LEAGUES AT THIS TIME OF YEAR, IT'S GONNA BE A, IT'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY VISIBLE THAT YEAH, I WAS JUST SAY JUST WE HAVE TOPOGRAPHY.
WE ALSO HAVE TOPOGRAPHY WORKING FOR US AS WELL.
SO, UM, YES, WE ARE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER LEVEL, BUT AS YOU'RE COMING UP, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE HEIGHT OF THE TREES EVEN IF WE'RE NOT FULL.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE DEPTH OF THE PROPERTY.
OUR, OUR, THEIR GARAGE STARTS ABOUT 250 FEET BACK FROM THE ROAD, SO WE'RE NOT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROAD.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF, OF TOPOGRAPHY AND SOME DEPTH OF, OF OUR NARROW SITE, UH, WORKING IN OUR FAVOR IN THOSE CONDITIONS AS WELL.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF, IF THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, YEAH, IT'S UNUSUAL THAT WE HAVE BACK FORTH COMMENT.
HE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE HIS COMMENT AND THAT HE SAID HE WAS FINISHED AND SO NOW THAT THAT PERIOD IS OVER.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, I DIDN'T WANT TO, NOT TO CUT OFF QUESTION FOLLOW UP.
BACK TO APPLICANT RESPONSE, I GUESS.
YEAH, NO, I, I'LL JUST MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS TO ADD ONTO WHAT BILL AND DAVE SAID.
YOU KNOW, I I, WE DEAL WITH THIS A LOT IN ZONING WHERE THEY'RE COMPETING INTERESTS AND THINGS, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE'LL HAVE CERTAIN PROJECTS AND, AND PLANNING WILL WANT TONS OF LANDSCAPING AND SHRUBBERY RIGHT AT THE BUILDING OR OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, AND THEN THE POLICE WILL COME IN AND SAY, WELL, WAIT A SECOND.
THAT'S ALL THESE PUSHES OR PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO HIDE BEHIND AS EMPLOYEES ARE COMING OUT LATE AT NIGHT.
SO YOU HAVE THESE SORT OF COMPETING, UM, UH, INTERESTS BETWEEN VARIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTIES AND AGENCIES INVOLVED IN REVIEWING IT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE WITH RESPECT TO THE LIGHTING, WHICH WE'RE TALK, TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, AT THE LAST MEETING WE WENT AND, AND MR. GILESPI ASKED SOME REALLY THOUGHTFUL QUESTIONS.
WE GOT REALLY INTO THE DETAIL OF THE PHOTOMETRICS, UM, OF, OF THIS PLAN.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO LIGHT THE, UM, LIGHT THE DECK FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST THE VISIBILITY STANDPOINT TO SEE WHAT'S UP THERE.
THE LIGHTS ARE DEMOABLE AT NIGHT.
UH, WE'VE TRIED TO SORT OF COMPETE THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM ALL, UH, WE TRY TO BALANCE THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM ALL SORTS OF SIDES HERE.
UM, THE COMMUNITY, THE STAFF, HONDA.
UM, AND WE THINK WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN A, A PRETTY GOOD, UM, COMPROMISE HERE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I, WHEN I THINK OF, UH, THE COMMENTS HERE COMING SORT OF FROM 2 88, WHICH YOU'LL SEE FROM THE OVERPASS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND, AND WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAME IN HERE INITIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOLD, HEY, BETWEEN THE COUNTY LINE AND 2 88 IS REALLY WHERE WE WANT TO SEE THIS, THESE TYPES OF USES.
UM, AND SO WE, WE FOCUSED ON THIS SITE AND I THINK OF SOME OF THE OTHER USES WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE COMING FROM, AND I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS COMING FROM CENTERVILLE OR WHAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER CENTERVILLE, UM,
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MORE TOWARD THE SHORT PUMP AREA IN THE COUNTY LINE.YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT DRIVE SHACK, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING MORE VISIBLE THAN DRIVE SHACK EVERY TIME I COME UP 2 88, UM, YOU KNOW, TO TO 64 AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE OTHER COMMERCIAL USES.
WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE SORT OF TUCKED IN HERE.
I I, AND I, I DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE FULL PRESENTATION THAT I MADE AT THE, AT THE FIRST MEETING BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH IT BEFORE.
UM, BUT THIS, THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS SORT OF AN ISLAND OF ON ITS OWN, UM, ON THAT SIDE OF BROAD STREET.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE A VERY SORT OF BIG NATURAL AREA NEXT TO US WITH TUCKAHOE CREEK.
AND SO WE'VE GOT OUR ONE SMALL CONSTRAINED PARCEL AND THEN AN AREA THAT LIKELY WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE OF TUCKAHOE CREEK, UM, BEFORE YOU GET TO, TO WEST CREEK.
AND SO, UM, AND, AND NOT TO MENTION THE, THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, IN HENRICO RIGHT NEXT TO US IS HIGHER THAN WE ARE.
UM, SO YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT FACTORS PLAYING IN, UH, TO THIS.
SO, SO WE FEEL LIKE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT WAS PUT INTO THE LIGHTING PLAN.
UH, IN FACT, EVERY PLAN THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED HAS, HAS, UM, HAS GONE THROUGH A, A RIGOROUS SORT OF BACK AND FORTH.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I WILL ALSO SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, DAVE, DAVE MADE THE COMMENT THAT, UM, WE REALLY FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT, UM, A, A, A, A GOOD PRODUCT HERE.
UM, BUT, AND WE'VE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES, ALL OF WHICH HAVE, UM, A FAIR AMOUNT OF COSTS INVOLVED TOO.
UM, SO, AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE THIS HAS NOT BEEN, UM, I WOULD JUST SAY MOST, MOST OF, MOST OF MY CLIENTS WOULD'VE BOGGED HEAVEN YET AT MOST OF THESE CHANGES.
AND JOEY, UM, REALLY HASN'T, YOU KNOW, UM, HASN'T HESITATED WITH SAYING THAT THAT'S A BETTER PRODUCT, LET'S DO IT.
UH, BUT I THINK FROM, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE LIGHTING, UM, I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE SORT OF GENERAL COMMENTS AND I, I REALLY THINK WE FIT INTO TO WHERE WE'RE LOCATED HERE AND, AND THE OTHER USES AROUND THIS.
UM, AND THE LEVEL DETAIL THAT HAS GONE INTO THE, TO THE LIGHTING, YOU'VE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES AND I, AND I AGREE, I THINK IT DOES LOOK A LOT BETTER.
UM, AND I THINK THE HIGHER WALLS IN THE GARAGE HELP WITH THE LIGHTING.
UM, SO THAT SEEMS TO BE MUCH, YOU KNOW, MUCH LESS OF A POTENTIAL ISSUE LIKE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN ENRICO IN THOSE TOWN HOMES.
UM, AND BEING DARK SKY COMPLIANT IS IMPORTANT.
THE ONLY PART REALLY THAT STILL GIVES ME SOME CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT THE GLASS IS STILL A PRETTY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF THE, THAT IT'S DEFINITELY, I WILL SAY ONE THING, IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT FROM WHAT HONDA MAR COMPANY HAS DONE.
IF YOU'VE SEEN ALL THE DESIGNS BEFORE THIS YEAR, WE USED TO HAVE THIS BIG OIL CAN METAL LUON STRUCTURE IN FRONT OF IT, AND, AND THEY CHANGED THAT, RIGHT? THEY THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD BE MORE, YOU KNOW, FITTING AND MORE UP TO DATE.
AND SO YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE CHANGED, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE ON THE EAST COAST, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THAT OIL CAN FOR ALL OF US, IT'S PROMINENT BIG AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A BIG ARGUMENT THAT THEY REALLY WANTED TO KEEP.
SO IF THERE IS A POSITIVE, THIS IS A BRAND NEW DESIGN BUILDING FROM HONDA, UM, DESIGNED OUTTA CALIFORNIA WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT THOUGHTS IN MIND.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE GONE ONE EXTRA STEP HERE OF REDUCING THE GLASS.
UM, IT WAS A BIG STEP FOR THAT TOO, AND I THINK IT REALLY DOES REALLY LOOK GOOD.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AND IT'S A DIFFERENT ELEVATION THAT, AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D ADD TO THAT IS LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOW DEALERSHIP, I'M NOT SURE YOU REALLY CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE, THE AUDI GLASS IS AN ACCENT, EITHER, IT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY LESS FROM A PERCENTAGE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO, WHEREAS AUDI JUST HAS THIS SORT OF HUGE AREA OF GLASS THAT THEY'VE SORT OF WRAPPED WITH, WE'VE TRIED TO BREAK IT UP A LITTLE MORE, RIGHT? WE'VE TRIED TO INCREASE THE, THE WIDTH OF THE COLUMNS AND, AND DAVE'S DONE A GOOD JOB OF SORT OF GIVING MORE OF SORT OF A, A HEADER AND, UM, SORT OF DIFFERENT, UM, COLORS AND, AND TEXTURE.
AND SO SORT OF BREAK UP THE FRONT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, IT IS ALSO BILL AND MADE A GOOD POINT AS FAR AS YOU, YOU OFTEN, UM, DON'T THINK ABOUT HOW THE BUILDING IS ORIENTED AND HOW THE SUN'S GOING TO IMPACT THAT ON, ON, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN USES IN THIS CASE FACING NORTH MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE SUN'S
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GONNA, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT RISING TO RIKUS OR MOVE BEHIND US AND, AND SET, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS CENTERVILLE, AND SO THAT SUN'S ALWAYS GONNA BE BEHIND THE BUILDING, WHICH IS GONNA CAST SOME SHADOWS, WHICH IS GOING TO, I THINK, MAKE A DIFFERENCE OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.UM, SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD I GUESS, SORT OF SUGGEST AND ASK THE COMMITTEE TO, TO SORT OF LOOK AT THIS IN LIGHT OF THE OTHER AUTO DEALERSHIP THAT IS HERE AND THAT IS AUDI.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T PERSONALLY, AND MAYBE THE ARCHITECT CAN, CAN BETTER ARTICULATE THIS THAN ME, THAT I DON'T CONSIDER THEIR GLASS AND ACCENT EITHER.
IT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY LESS PERCENTAGE WISE, BUT I THINK, UH, I THINK I ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I, WELL, I I THINK WE SORT OF HAVE MORE, UM, SORT OF MORE INTEREST ARCHITECTURALLY ON THE FRONTAGE.
THE VARIATION IN DEPTH, WHICH IS GOOD.
WHEREAS AUDI'S BUILDING IS STILL MONOLITHIC.
IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE DIFFERENT MATERIALS, BUT I THINK IT WAS 30% CLASS.
UM, WELL, BUT IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT 'CAUSE THEY, IT WASN'T CONSIDERED AN ACCENT EITHER.
THAT WAS PART OF THE MATERIAL CONSIDERATION THEY HAD COME THROUGH, UM, THAT THEY, THEY LIMITED TO 35% ON A FACADE THAT VARIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AND THAT WAS SORT OF THE CONDITION UNIQUE TO THAT SITE.
UM, PART OF THE APPROVAL WAS THEY WORKED OUT FOR HOW THEY MODIFY BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKING FOR MODIFICATIONS TO DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND THAT'S HOW IT'S ADDRESSED IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.
AND SINCE IT'S THERE, EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH IT, DRIVEN PAST IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY WITH THE HILL, THE LOCATION OF WHERE IT'S AT, AND THE FACT THAT THIS THING HAS THAT HAT ROOM ON IT THAT AUDI DOESN'T HAVE.
AUDI IS A BOX THAT HAS JUST GLASS IN THAT BOX PLAIN.
THIS BUILDING HAS, UM, QUITE FRANKLY SOME EXPENSIVE CANTILEVERING HORIZONTAL STRUCTURE THAT'S, UM, GOING IN FRONT OF THE GLASS, WHICH WILL ADD, IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WITH THIS CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING.
WHEN YOU LOOK STRAIGHT ON IT AND YOU LOOK AT IT, YES, YOU SEE THAT, BUT THERE'S THIS, WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING THE SPACE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF CANOPY THAT'S OUT IN FRONT OF THAT THING.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A COMMENT OR TWO.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, TO, TO THE OWNER AND TO THE OWNER'S TEAM, A VERY COMPETENT, UH, DESIGN BUILD TEAM AND IS REPRESENTATIVE, UM, GOOD JOB WORKING WITH STAFF AND WITH YOUR CORPORATE PARTNER TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'VE MADE THE CHANGES MOSTLY TO THE SITE PLAN LAYOUT THAT MITIGATES MANY OF THE ARCHITECTURAL EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, COMPLIMENTS TO EVERYBODY FOR WORKING WELL TOGETHER AND, AND TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME TO GET TO THIS MEETING IN DECEMBER.
UH, WHICH WE SAW IN OCTOBER WAS GONNA BE MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE WEEKS TO, TO BE ABLE TO PULL THIS TOGETHER.
SO COMPLIMENTS DO YOU ALL FOR DOING THAT AT, UM, I'M, I'M SATISFIED WITH THE GLASS FACADE FOR THE REASONS BEING DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW.
UM, OR THE PRE PREDO, THE, UM, THE, THE PERCENTAGE OF GLASS BEING REVEALED OR CONCEALED BY SOME OF THE ARTICULATIONS THAT ARE, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED ONTO THE BUILDING FACADE.
UM, I DO PREFER OPTION TWO FOR THE ADDITIONAL DETAILS FOR THE WINDOWS OR, UM, OPEN WINDOW SET APPEARANCE OF WINDOWS IN THE OPEN SECTION ON THE EASTERN ELEVATION.
I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE ELEVATED DECK AND THE VIEWS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, LOOKING DOWN ON A PARKING DECK AND AN OPEN PARKING DECK AND THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT LAST TIME.
UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN, UM, A DISCUSSION ABOUT ELEVATING THE WALL TO FOUR AND A HALF FEET INSTEAD OF THREE AND A HALF FEET, UM, FOR THE PAIR PUT ON THE SECTION AROUND THE EASTERN END.
AND IF THAT WRAPS AROUND THE SOUTH AND WEST TO MAKE IT WHOLE, UM, BE INTERESTED IN SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT, IT IS A DIFFICULT VIEW TO OBSCURE.
AS YOU SAID, THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE LOOKING DOWN AT THIS SITE, SO IT, IT IS WHAT IT IS, WHETHER IT'S AN OPEN PARKING LOT OR WHETHER IT'S AN OPEN PARKING DECK.
AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS AGAIN, UM, MR. UH, COSTELLO APPRECIATE YOUR CORRESPONDENCE AND BEING HERE IN PERSON.
I, I BELIEVE THAT THE LONG VIEW FROM THE ROAD, UH, IT IS, IT IS A SITE THAT'S ELEVATED ABOUT 15 TO 20 FEET ABOVE, UH, UH, TUCKAHOE
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CREEK.AND WHEN YOU GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION, UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY A LITTLE BIT OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LONG VIEW.
UM, NOT FROM 2 88, YOU KNOW, BUT MORE LOCAL TO THAT.
AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE DARK SKY LIGHTING WITH THE REFLECTOR CUTOFFS IS GONNA ACHIEVE THAT TOGETHER WITH THE EXISTING TREES ALONG THE BLOOD PLAIN AREA.
UM, THAT'LL BE PRESERVED AND, UM, OBSCURE THAT VIEW.
UM, BUT TO ALSO ADDRESSING THINGS FOR THE RECORD, UH, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED TWICE BY OUR NEIGHBORS IN HENRICO THAT THE FIVE FOOT AREA ON THE EASTERN SIDE IS INADEQUATE TO, UM, UM, PLACE A TIE DOWN TIRES, GIMME A TIEBACK FOR THE RETAINING WALL.
AND I WAS CURIOUS IF THE, UH, CONTRACTOR COULD ADDRESS HOW HE'S GONNA ESTABLISH THIS TIEBACK IN THAT FIVE FOOT AREA.
UM, UM, YEAH, I CAN ADDRESS THAT.
JOSH, YOU WE DO THAT NOW OR YOU WANT TO KEEP AFTER YOUR NO, IF YOU COULD, I THINK THAT'S AN EASY ONE.
IF YOU COULD JUST TELL US HOW YOU'RE GONNA DO IT.
YEAH, I THINK WE ADDRESSED THIS LAST TIME, BUT OUR INTENT IS FOR THIS, THIS, UH, RETAINING WALL WILL BE A CAST IN PLACE RETAINING WALL, WHICH MEANS THERE WILL NOT BE A REQUIREMENT FOR ANY TIE DOWNS.
WE'LL HAVE A DEEPER FOOTING THAT PROJECTS MORE TOWARDS OUR BUILDING TOWARDS THE, TO THE WEST THAN IT IS TO THE EAST.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S PART OF THE RECORD.
THIS MEETING, IT IS TRANSMITTED TO HENRICO.
SO MR. CHAIR, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
SHOULD DO WE NEED TO VOTE INDIVIDUALLY ON THE EXCEPTIONS OR AS A HOME? UM, OH, YOU MEAN FOR EACH ONE? YEAH, EACH, EACH THING.
CAN WE ALSO SPECIFY THE OPTIONS? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THE OPTION COVERS ALL THREE
DEPENDS ON THE MOTION, RIGHT? DEPENDS ON THE MOTION, BUT, BUT WE'D BE, WE'D WANT TO BE SURE OF WHICH OPTION OF ARCHITECTURAL ARCHITECTURE WAS APPROVED, UM, FOR THAT.
AND, AND FOR EACH OF THESE, OPTION ONE, IF YOU CHOSE OPTION ONE OR TWO FOR ANY OF THESE THREE, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THOSE ARE SEPARATE MOTIONS.
OR WE CAN DO IT COLLECTIVELY AS ONE MOTION.
DO YOU APPROVE THE THREE, UH, MODIFICATIONS? YEAH, YOU CAN MAKE IT ALL TOGETHER IN YOUR MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE.
I GUESS BEFORE WE DO THAT, I NEED TO POINT BACK TO JOSH AND ASK TO, WE GOING TO VOTE ON GOING FROM THREE AND A HALF TO FOUR HALF.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO OFFER.
UM, OTHERWISE, YEAH, WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS THAT.
UM, SINCE JOSH BROUGHT IT UP, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED GOING FROM A THREE AND A HALF FOOT WALL TO A FOUR AND A HALF WALL? UH, JOSH, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THE, JUST THE COMMENT IN GENERAL? UM, SO IF, IF YOU RAISE THAT WALL UP A FOOT HIGHER, WHAT ARE, WE'RE STILL SCREENING THE CARS IN THEIR HEADLIGHTS TO THEIR WHOLE EXTENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE IT'S GONNA SCREEN OTHER THAN CLOSING THE OPENINGS INTO THE, UM, TO THE GARAGE BOARD.
UM, I THINK HE WAS, JOSH WERE YOU TALKING ME JUST ABOUT THE TOP LEVEL? I, I I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ROOF LEVEL UNDER YES, I WAS AT JUST AT THE TOP LEVEL.
AND, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO PUT UP BASICALLY A LOURED SECTION OF A SCREENING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE VIEW FROM THE, THE VIEW FROM THE TOWN HOMES INTO THIS PROPERTY IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
UM, THE SUPERVISOR IN THIS PORTION OF HENRICO COUNTY ACTUALLY LIVES IN THE TOWN HOMES ONE PROJECT OVER AT GREENGATE.
UM, SO HE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE CONCERNS OF CONSTITUENTS LOOKING DOWN ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AT THE, UH, HAMPTON BEND.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REAL CONCERN.
UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, I THINK THE, ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS TO CONTROL BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON THE SPOT WHERE YOU'RE BEING LOOKED DOWN ON.
UM, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE BY RAISING THE PARAPET WALL, THREE AND A HALF FEET, FOUR AND A HALF FEET, NOT A BIT, NOT A, I WOULDN'T THINK A VERY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, BUT IT HELPS WITH LIGHT SPILLOVER AND TO SOME DEGREE SOME OF THE GLIN GLARE THAT'S GONNA COME OFF WINDSHIELDS.
UM, AGAIN, WITHOUT PUTTING UP SOME SORT OF SCREEN DEVICE, I'M, HEY JOHN, UH, THIS IS JOEY JUAN, YOU KNOW, HERE, I'M, I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE RIGHT.
UM, SO LET, LEMME SAY IT THAT WAY.
LET IT BE IF WE PUT, UH, LIKE WE SAID, SOME PLASTIC, UH, OR SOME KIND OF, UH, MATERIAL ON TOP OF THAT THREE AND A HALF FEET, OR IF WE RAISE THE WALL WALL, I'M LOOKING AT BILL WHILE HE'S SHAKING HIS HEAD YES.
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I'M TRYING TO READ MIND RIGHT NOW.BUT YEAH, HIS STRUCTURALLY GOODS UP.
WHAT CAN YOU DO STRUCTURALLY ALSO? YEAH, I'LL KEEP IN MIND ALSO THAT THERE'S CARS PARKED HEAD IN AGAINST THIS WALL.
YOU KNOW, THE ONE GOOD THING, JOSH, WHEN I DRIVE OVER THERE, YOU HAVE THE WINDOWS OF THAT BUILD OF THE BUILDING TEND TO FACE NORTH AND SOUTH.
AND, UH, THE FAR BACK CONDOMINIUMS DO HAVE A BACK PATIO ON 'EM, UM, THAT, THAT DO NOT SIT UP AS HIGH.
THEY'RE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, SO THAT MAY HELP AS WELL.
AND I, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WILL BE MUCH ISSUES WITH PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENTS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE STANDING ON THE ROOF LOOKING DOWN AT THE APARTMENTS.
UM, I MEAN THIS IS A CAR INVENTORY LOT THAT IS, I MEAN, IT'S THE PRODUCT UP THERE.
THIS IS A CONVENTIONAL PARKING STRUCTURE THAT HAS PEOPLE COMING AND GOING IN THAT REGARD.
UM, AND THE FACT THAT THE CARS ARE PARKED UP AGAINST THE WALL, I MEAN, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT EVEN A WALKING AREA, YOU KNOW, ON THAT BACKSIDE.
UM, SO, UM, I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE AND THE VIEWS LOOKING DOWN, THAT SHOULD BE VERY, VERY AMENABLE.
I MEAN, YES, YOU'LL POTENTIALLY SEE SOMEBODY EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WHEN THEY'RE PARKING OR LOOKING AT A VEHICLE.
I MEAN, AGAIN, THE CONCERN IS LOOKING, LOOKING IN, NOT LOOKING OUT.
UM, SO THAT'S THE, THE SCREEN.
DID YOU GET A, A LITTLE ADDITIONAL LIGHT, UM, LIGHT BLOCKAGE BY HAVING A LITTLE EXTRA HEIGHT FROM THE GROUND LEVEL? SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DELEGATE TO STAFF TO WORK WITH THEM ON.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK, IS THAT SOMETHING WE STAFF ON? RIGHT? TO BE CLEAR AND, AND FOR EACH OF YOU COLLECTIVELY UNDERSTAND IF ONE STAFF TO WORK THAT WORK WITH IT, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO WE'RE LOOKING PROBABLY ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL FOOT OF HEIGHT TO BE ACCOMPLISHED EITHER THROUGH RAISING OF THE, THE EXISTING, UH, I GUESS CONCRETE, UH, WALL THERE OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF ALTERNATIVE.
I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED SHUTTERY, BUT I CAN ENVISION SOME OTHER TYPE OF LOU OR OR MATERIAL OR SOMETHING UP ALONG THAT TOP EDGE.
THE BALL IS PROBABLY THE TOP LINE, BUT TO GIVE THEM SOME ALTERNATIVES, JOSH, WOULD THAT BE OKAY? CORRECT.
SO REALLY THEY'RE 42 INCHES NOW.
LIKE, SHOULD GO UP TO SAY FOUR AND A HALF.
IS THAT 54 INCHES OR SO? RIGHT, THAT'S FOUR AND A HALF.
UM, SO IF, IF RIGHT, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, THAT STAFF WILL, IF YOU WOULD DELEGATE THAT FOR STAFF AND WE'D BE ABLE TO WORK THAT OUT, THAT WOULD BE ON THE EASTERN WALL, UM, JUST THE EASTERN WALL, CORRECT? JOSH? JUST THE I'M FINE WITH JUST THE EASTERN WALL.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO, I MOVED THAT WE DELEGATE, UM, WORKING WITH THE BUILDER AND OWNER ON THE HEIGHT OF THE EASTERN WALL, UM, OR WHEREVER DESIGN WE END UP.
AND IT'S ONLY THE, THE ROOF PARKING LEVEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRUE.
BRINGS IN THE HEIGHT ABOUT WHAT COMING UP THE
SO I GUESS, SO I GUESS THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS.
SO WE'LL NEED YOU TO MAKE A MOTION ON WHAT'S ON THE FLOOR NOW, I GUESS IS THE, THE HOW TO DEAL WITH THE WALL HEIGHT.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHICH OPTION YOU'RE THINKING, CORRECT? WE HAVE TO AND THEN TO FILL 1, 2, 1 THROUGH THREE.
WELL, ONE, WELL TWO AND THREE ARE ACCEPTABLE.
SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO PUT, WRAP IT ALL INTO ONE, IS THAT SAME? SO LIKE OPTION, WHICHEVER GOOD.
UM, THAT YOU'RE GOOD WITH, YOU KNOW, FOR NUMBER TWO, THREE, AND THEN ADD THAT EXTRA.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF EITHER OF YOU HAD A A, A, I KNOW WHAT MR. GILLESPIE SAID AS FAR AS WHICH OPTION.
SO IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE, YOU WANNA AGREE OR, OR OFFER SOMETHING DIFFERENT? I AGREE.
I, I THINK OPTION TWO LOOKS A LOT BETTER BECAUSE THE BACK OF IT REALLY DOESN'T LOOK SO PARKING GARAGE.
UM, BECAUSE HONESTLY THE METAL SCREENING WAS CREATIVE BUT NOT REALLY IN CHARACTER.
SO, UM, KNOWING THAT JOSH DOES TOO, THEN I WOULD MOVE THAT WE WOULD PROVE OPTION
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TWO, INCLUDING, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE REQUESTS ONE THROUGH THREE 'CAUSE THOSE ARE NOT APPROVED WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THEY WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO RAISE THE EASTERN WALL ON THE ROOF PARKING DECK.ANYTHING ELSE? OTHER BUSINESS? WE HAVE NO
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OTHER BUSINESS.AND THE LAST ITEM IS ADJOURNMENT.
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THANK JOSH.