Feb 15, 2024 Planning Commission Meeting 02-15-2024

FOR LEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND INVOCATION,

MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A QUORUM.

WILL EVERYONE PLEASE RISE

[A. Determination of Quorum]

[2. Pledge of Allegiance]

PLEASE BOW OUR HEADS.

DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, PLEASE GUIDE

[3. Invocation - Led By Mr. Brewer]

THIS COMMISSION TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS DURING OUR MEETING THIS EVENING.

PLEASE WATCH OVER OUR FAMILIES, FRIENDS, AND OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM THAT HELP MAKE OUR FREEDOM POSSIBLE.

AND YOUR NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN.

HOW WAS RECEIVED A COPY OF THE MINUTES IN THE JANUARY MEETING OF ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS?

[4. Approval of Minutes]

A MOTION FOR MOTION APPROVE.

I'LL MAKE, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE

[A. Minutes of Jan 18, 2024 6:30 PM]

THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.

I SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SO BY SAYING AYE A.

ANYTHING IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

WE WILL NOW OPEN THE MEETING UP FOR A CITIZEN'S COMMENT PERIOD.

[5. Citizen Comment Period]

SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.

WE ASK THAT YOU WAIT UNTIL THAT ITEM IS CALLED SEEING NONE TO CLOSE THE CITIZEN.

COMMENT.

[6. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions, or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings]

DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, ADDITIONS, DIRECTIONS, ANY CHANGES? NO, SIR.

NO REQUEST TO DEFER ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES TO THE ORDER OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS? OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM TONIGHT IS IN DISTRICT ONE CU 20 24 3.

[7. Public Hearing Items]

[1. District 1 - CU-2024-00003 Application by Goochland County Public Schools requesting a conditional use permit (CUP) for an electronic message board on 9.98 acres at Byrd Elementary School located at 2704 Hadensville Fife Road on Tax Map No. 17-1-0-82-0. The applicant seeks two special exceptions to the electronic message board standards in County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-416: to allow messages to change more frequently than once per minute, and to allow the sign to turn on at 6:00 a.m. The CUP would consolidate existing CUP(s) approved for the property. The property is zoned Agricultural, General (A-1). The CUP is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-416, and special exceptions are requested under 15.416.B of the County Zoning Ordinance. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as County/State/Institutional.]

A APPLICATION BY, BY GLAND COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS REQUEST PERMIT CUP FOR AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD ON 9.98 ACRES AT BYRD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, LOCATED AT 27 0 4 HAYDENVILLE FIFE ROAD ON TAX MAP NUMBER 17 1 0 82 0.

THE APPLICANT SEEKS TWO SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TO THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD STANDARDS AND COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 4 16 TO ALLOW MESSAGES TO CHANGE MORE FREQUENTLY THAN ONCE PER MINUTE AND TO ALLOW THE SIGN TO TURN ON AT 6:00 AM THE CUP WOULD CONSOLIDATE EXISTING C PS APPROVED FOR THE PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL A ONE.

THE CUP IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 4 16.

AND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS ARE REQUESTED UNDER 15,416 B OF THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS COUNTY STATE INSTITUTIONAL.

THANK YOU, MS. PARKER.

MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

THE FIRST TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS I WILL BE PRESENTING ARE BOTH APPLICATIONS FROM GLAND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, BOTH, UM, REQUESTING ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGNS.

UH, FORGIVE ME, THE APPLIC UH, THE PRESENTATIONS WILL BE SOMEWHAT REDUNDANT, BUT I DO, UH, HOPE THAT YOU DO ENTERTAIN EACH APPLICATION INDIVIDUALLY.

SO OUR FIRST APPLICATION IS FOR A REQUEST FOR AN ELEC ELECTRIC MESSAGE, BOARD SIGN AT BYRD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

UM, THAT'S LOCATED ON HAYDENVILLE FIFE.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FIRST, IT'S LOCATED IN THE FAR WESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.

UH, THE AERIAL PHOTO TO THE RIGHT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT.

UH, THERE'S THE SCHOOL WITH THE RED, THE HAYDENVILLE FIFE RUNS NORTH SOUTH AT THIS POINT, UH, ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF MILE AND A QUARTER TO ROUTE SIX.

OH, LET ME GO BACK REAL QUICK.

UM, JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THE CONTEXT.

THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, UH, PHOTO LATER IN THE, UM, IN THE PRESENTATION.

BUT AS YOU CAN SAY, THE

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THE SURROUNDING IS MOSTLY FARMLAND AND, UH, RESIDENTIAL LOTS, LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL.

THE, UH, UH, ZONING, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY IS AGRICULTURAL, UH, GENERAL, AS IS ALL OF THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING IT.

UH, THE SCHOOL ITSELF, IT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS DESIGNATED AS PUBLIC COUNTY OWNED AND INSTITUTIONAL, WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF OUR PUBLIC PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AREA SURROUNDING IT IS IDENTIFIED AS, UM, MOSTLY AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.

SO, AS I MENTIONED, AND MS. PARKER MENTIONED THEY ARE REQUESTING AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN.

UH, THERE ARE TWO SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS THAT THEY ARE ASKING TO IN THE ORDINANCE, AND I WILL GO THROUGH THOSE IN DETAIL IN A MOMENT.

UM, THE SIGN LOCATION, I DID WANNA BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION.

THIS IS JUST, UH, EXHIBIT B.

IT SHOWS WHERE THE EXISTING SIGN IS AND IT IS GOING TO BE A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT EXACT SIGN.

SO THE CODE HAS, UM, SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGNS THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO IF THEY DID NOT ASK FOR THE EXCEPTION.

SO ALL THE, ALL THE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE EXCEPTION LIST, THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO DO.

I'M GONNA GO TO, UM, AND IN A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL OF WHAT CONSIDERATIONS SHOULD BE TAKEN.

THESE ARE ALL LISTED IN THE CODE AS THE COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY THE BOARD WHEN MAKING THESE DECISIONS.

SO, UM, THE THERE, THE GENERAL REG, THEIR GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING DISPLAY AND BRIGHTNESS CONTROL.

LEMME GET TO THE RIGHT, MY, MY SLIDE.

I CAN READ IT BETTER.

UH, SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, ONE THROUGH SEVEN.

I'M ACTUALLY GONNA GO THROUGH THEM IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES.

I'M NOT GONNA READ 'EM TWICE.

SO, UH, THE FIRST THING THAT, UH, IS SUGGESTS THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS THE PROPORTION OF THE SIGN FACE.

UM, ON THE RIGHT IS, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE SIGN WILL LOOK LIKE.

UM, AND, UH, IT IS APPROXIMATELY 60% OF THE, UH, THE, THE FACE OF THE SIGN.

AND THERE WILL BE VARIED COLORS.

THOSE ARE ALSO SOMETHING YOU SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

THE LOCATION AND CHARACTER.

SO THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF A PICTURE.

YOU CAN SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, UM, HOUSES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, UH, THE CLOSEST BEING 325 FEET.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S ONE ACTUALLY 500 FEET.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO ONE AT 625 FEET IN CONNECTION WITH THE SIGN.

UH, THERE IS NO LANDSCAPING PROPOSED FOR THIS APPLICATION.

OTHER CONSIDERATIONS SHOULD BE THE ACTUAL ROAD NETWORK ITSELF.

UM, SO HAYDENVILLE FIFE IS A TWO LANE ROAD.

IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A MAJOR COLLECTOR, AND THE SPEED LIMIT IS 45 MILES AN HOUR.

THE TWO EXCEPTIONS, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THOSE NOW.

UH, THE FIRST ONE IS A CODE REQUIREMENT THAT MESSAGES STAY, UM, DO NOT CHANGE, UM, EXCEPT FOR ONCE EVERY MINUTE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT THE SIGN CHANGES ONCE EVERY 15 SECONDS.

UH, THEY STATE THAT THIS IS SO THAT IT, UM, PROVIDES FOR BETTER EFFICIENCY AND MESSAGING FOR THOSE COMING AND GOING TO THE SCHOOL.

THE SEC SECOND EXCEPTION IS TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT REQUIRES AN AUTOMATIC DIMMER AND IT FOR IT TO BE TURNED OFF THE SIGN TO BE COMPLETELY TURNED OFF BETWEEN 11:00 PM UM, OR AS LATE AS THE BUSINESS IS OPEN.

AND SUNRISE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A SCHOOL, SO IT WOULD BE CLOSING WHEN SCHOOL OPERATIONS ARE OVER OR 11 O'CLOCK AT THE LATEST.

THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT, UM, THEY COULD TURN THE SIGN ON AS EARLY AS 6:00 AM.

UH, SOMETIMES DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, UM, THERE ARE ACTIVITIES OCCURRING AT THE SCHOOL AS EARLY AS 6:00 AM AND SOMETIMES IT'S DARK.

SO THEY WERE HOPING TO HAVE THE SIGN ON FOR THAT.

THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD BACK IN JANUARY.

UH, THERE WAS ONE CITIZEN THAT CAME AND WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION.

WE HAVE RECEIVED NO OTHER CORRESPONDENCE.

UM, SO AS, UM, MS. PARKER MENTIONED, THERE IS A, UM, THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO, UH, UM, UH, COMBINED FORMER, UH, ANY PARCEL THAT ANY OTHER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT'S ON THAT PARCEL TO KIND OF COM COMPILE IT INTO ONE.

UH, THERE WAS ONE OTHER, UH, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON THIS PROPERTY FOR A, UH, MOBILE CLASSROOM.

AND I BELIEVE I HAVE IT CIRCLED RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THIS CEP ACTIVITY.

IT WOULD CONTINUE TO GO, UM, UH, THE CONDITIONS I HAVE AT THE END, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THEM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF ANYTHING WAS DONE, THEY WERE JUST MADE STANDARD, BUT NO CHANGE TO THE ACTIVITY OR REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN FOR THE, UM, ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN, UM, THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF, UH, THIS IS A SUMMARY.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT, UM, THE USE IS ALLOWED, UM,

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AS A MESSAGE BOARD SIGN, THE LOCA, UM, THE APPEARANCE BE SIMILAR TO EXHIBIT A, WHICH WAS SHOWN IN THE PRESENTATION SITE PLAN.

THE LOCATION WOULD BE WHERE THAT REPLACEMENT WAS IDENTIFIED IN EXHIBIT B.

TRANSFER OR LEASE IS ONE OF OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS.

SO IF, UM, FOR SOME REASON THE SCHOOL WERE TO CHANGE AND BECOME, UM, ANOTHER USE OR ANOTHER, UH, SCHOOL, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO NOTIFY THE COUNTY AND THEN GIVE NOTIFICATION TO WHOEVER THE NEW LEASE OR OWNER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE CONDITIONS EXIST IF YOU WERE TO GRANT THE EXCEPTIONS.

UH, 15 SECONDS, UM, IS WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR EACH CHANGE.

AND, UH, BRIGHTNESS FOR IT TO BE 6:00 AM.

UM, THE NEXT PRESENTATION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU ACTUALLY HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.

I'M GONNA GO INTO JUST A VERY QUICK SUMMARY, AND THIS MAY HELP YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION.

ALL OF THIS WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT I REALIZED THAT I WENT QUICKER ON THIS ONE.

THINKING THIS ONE WAS SECOND.

I APOLOGIZE.

UM, SO BACK IN 2020, UM, GLAND COUNTY ADOPTED A COMPLETE REWRITE OF THE ORDINANCE OF ZONING ORDINANCE.

AND PART OF THAT PROCESS, THEY DID INCLUDE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGNS.

SINCE 2020, WE DO HAVE FOUR, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

THERE ARE FIVE IN THE COUNTY.

ONE IS AT, UH, REYNOLDS COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

UM, EACH OF THE OTHERS, UM, DID REQUEST, UM, UH, ALL BUT ONE REQUESTED SOME SORT OF EXCEPTION ON, UH, THE MESSAGE BOARD CHANGING.

UM, THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS APPROVED WAS, UM, SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH.

AND THAT WAS APPROVED WITH A 15 SECOND MESSAGE CHANGE.

THE, UM, SECOND ONE, THE NEXT ONES THAT WERE RECRUIT APPROVED WERE RANDOLPH, UM, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE HIGH SCHOOL MIDDLE SCHOOL.

THEY CAME IN AT THE SAME TIME.

UM, THEY ASKED FOR, THEY GOT APPROVED FOR 15 SECONDS ON BOTH OF THOSE.

UH, OTHER EXCEPTIONS FOR THOSE ALSO INCLUDED.

UM, THE, UM, THE, THE, THEY REQUESTED A SEVEN O'CLOCK, UM, START TIME FOR THE, FOR THE LIGHTS FOR BOTH OF THOSE.

AND THEN FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEY ACTUALLY, UH, REQUESTED A DOUBLE-SIDED SIGN THAT HAD DIFFERENT MESSAGES ON IT BECAUSE, UH, ONE WAS FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, ONE WAS FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL.

THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED.

UH, WE ALSO HAD A SIGN FROM TOMMY'S CAR WASH ON BROAD STREET ROAD, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE ONE MINUTE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT ASK FOR ANY EXCEPTIONS.

THAT'S A, UH, QUICK VERSION OF WHAT HAPPENED.

UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTION.

UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE SCHOOLS ARE HERE AS WELL.

JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, IF SOMEONE WAS PASSING THE SCHOOL AT 45 MILES AN HOUR, WHICH IS THE SPEED LIMIT? MM-HMM.

, HOW MANY SIGN CHANGES COULD THEY SEE FROM THE TIME THEY CAME WITHIN THE EYESIGHT OF A NORMAL PERSON UNTIL THEY PASS BY? THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER, UH, QUESTION FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT.

I KNOW THAT I DID DO AN EVALUATION, UH, FOR SALEM BA UH, BAPTIST CHURCH BECAUSE THERE WAS A TOPOGRAPHY CHANGE.

I DID NOT DO THAT FOR THIS.

'CAUSE THERE'S REALLY THE SAME PROPERTY TOPOGRAPHY YEAH.

FOR THIS ONE.

SO I, I I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT EXACTLY.

I COULD GET MY MATH CALCULATOR OUT AND DO A LITTLE BIT WHILE YOU TALK TO THE APPLICANT IF YOU'D LIKE.

WELL, DID THE A YEAH.

THEN, LEMME SEE.

SO AS YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOLS ARE IN A NAME.

OH, OH, THIS IS DEBBIE WHITE.

I'M THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AND CAPITAL PROJECTS MANAGER FOR GLAND COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

SO, UM, THE, WE ARE EXPECTING THE SIGNS TO OPERATE VERY SIMILARLY TO WHAT'S HAPPENED IN FRONT OF, UM, THE GLIN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL.

UM, WE HAVE DURING, UM, PICKUP AND DROP OFF TIMES THERE, THERE IS A 25 MILE PER HOUR.

SO PEOPLE WILL SLOW DOWN.

WE DON'T EXPECT, UM, AT 45 MILES PER HOUR, JUST LIKE WE DON'T EXPECT AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT SIGN, BUT ONE, ONE IMAGE AS THEY GO BY AT THAT SPEED.

SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CAPTURE THE FAM, THE PARENTS, UM, THE GUARDIANS THAT ARE, UM, PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF THEIR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO SEE A, A SIGN CHANGE, UM, IF WE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO CONVEY TWO DIFFERENT MESSAGES.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE LESS ACTIVITY, UNLIKE THE MIDDLE HIGH SCHOOL WITH SPORTS EVERY DAY.

UH, WHAT KIND OF MESSAGES WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE NEEDING A 15 SECOND CHANGE AND WHY SO FREQUENTLY? UM, IF THEY'RE TRYING TO, IF THEY'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE TWO MESSAGES, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY MIGHT WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, BOOK SELL, BOOK BOOK FAIR IS OPEN.

AND THEN A SECOND MESSAGE SAYING, UM, UH, NO SCHOOL ON FEBRUARY 16TH.

SO THEY MIGHT BE TRYING TO CONVEY TWO MESSAGES WHILE THE PARENTS ARE, ARE PULLING INTO THE AREA INSTEAD OF JUST ONE.

UM, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS HAVE LESS OF A MESSAGE CHANGE

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UM, DIFFERENT, LOTS OF DIFFERENT EVENTS GOING ON.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING HERE.

QUESTION? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. SHERRY? YES, SIR.

UM, IS THE, ARE THE EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED, UH, AT BYRD? UM, YOU, YOU STATED EARLIER, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE THE SAME AS RANDOLPH.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THERE IS ONE DIFFERENCE.

UH, THEY ARE REQUESTING AN EARLIER SIGN TURN ON.

THEY WERE APPROVED FOR AN ASKED FOR SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR, UM, BOTH THE HIGH SCHOOL, MIDDLE AND BIRD.

UM, THIS APPLICATION CAME IN WITH SIX AND THE, UH, INTERVAL, THE 15 SECOND INTERVAL IS, IS APPROVED.

THOSE ARE ALL CONSISTENT.

WHAT TIME DOES SCHOOL START? THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

WE HAVE SCHOOLS STARTING AS EARLY AS SEVEN 30.

STAFF START ARRIVING AT SEVEN.

UM, THE TEACHING STAFF, BUT WE HAVE, UM, CUSTODIANS AND CAFETERIA WORKERS ARRIVING FAIRLY EARLY.

SO, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A NAME ON THE SIGN, IT IS OUR SIGNAGE.

SO THE ELECTRONIC SIGN WILL ACTUALLY SAY BIRD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

WE HAVE, UM, MILK DELIVERIES COMING IN VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING.

SO WE WERE, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO GET THAT NAME UP FAIRLY EARLY.

SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT ALL THE, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY, ALL OF 'EM HAVE GOT AN EXCEPTION TO THE ONE MINUTE.

I CAN EX MAYBE THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE CHECKED.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT THAT IS A VERY GOOD POINT.

SO, UM, SO WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE 2020 REWRITE? I, UM, I HEAR THIS THROUGH, UH, HISTORY.

I WAS NOT HERE DURING THE REWRITE, BUT I HAVE REPORTED ON ALL OF THE, UM, PREVIOUS CASES.

UM, THERE WAS SOME BENCHMARKING THAT WAS DONE AND THE ATTEMPT WAS TO LA THEY LANDED ON ONE MINUTE.

YOU KNOW, THE, IT VARIED FROM VARIOUS LOCATIONS TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, 15, 10, 15 SECONDS TO A MINUTE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, SOME NEVER GET TO CHANGE.

AND, UM, IT, IT WAS A COMBINATION OF, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLANNING STAFF AND LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT ACTUALLY LANDED ON THAT ONE MINUTE.

BUT I DO AGREE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, MAYBE WE WOULD WANNA REVISIT.

I THINK IT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT AS CRITICAL FOR SCHOOLS BECAUSE THE SPEED LIMIT IS WHAT, 25 MILES AN HOUR DURING AS OPPOSED TO TWO 50 WHILE YOU'RE GOING 55 OR 60.

APPLICATION BY GLAND COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CUP FOR AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD ON 104.35 ACRES AT FUTURE GLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, LOCATED AT 2000 BULLDOG WAY ON TAX MAP NUMBER 42 11 0 3 T.

YOU TRY TO CHANGE EVERY, I MEAN, YOU COULD CAUSE ALL KINDS OF ACCIDENTS, BUT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO READ THE SIGN.

SO MAYBE IT OUGHT TO BE ADJUSTED BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE SPEED LIMIT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

WE'RE HERE TO VOTE ON THIS ONE.

I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONDITION OR USE PERMIT CE 2024.

THE SECOND.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? SO YOU CAN FIND BY SAYING, AYE AYE.

MOTION CARRIED.

THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A FIVE OH VOTE.

THIS CASE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON APRIL 16TH, 2024, WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS IN DISTRICT TWO CU 20 24 4

[2. District 2 - CU-2024-00004 Application by Goochland County Public Schools requesting a conditional use permit (CUP) for an electronic message board on 104.35 acres at (future) Goochland Elementary School located at 2000 Bulldog Way on Tax Map No. 42-11-0-3-T. The applicant seeks two special exceptions to the electronic message board standards in County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-416: to allow messages to change more frequently than once per minute, and to allow the sign to turn on at 6:00 a.m. The CUP would consolidate existing CUP(s) approved for the property. The property is zoned Agricultural, Limited (A-2). The CUP is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-416, and special exceptions are requested under 15.416.B of the County Zoning Ordinance. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as County/State/Institutional.]

THE APPLICANT SEEKS TWO SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TO THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD STANDARDS AND COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 4 16 TO ALLOW MESSAGES TO CHANGE MORE FREQUENTLY THAN ONCE PER MINUTE AND TO ALLOW THE SIGN TO TURN ON AT 6:00 AM THIS CUP WOULD CONSOLIDATE EXISTING CS APPROVED FOR THE PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURE LIMITED A TWO.

THE CUP IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15,004 16 AND SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS ARE REQUESTED UNDER 15,416 B OF THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS COUNTY STATE INSTITUTIONAL.

THANK YOU, MS. PARKER.

GENTLEMEN, FOR THE RECORD, I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

THE SECOND APPLICATION, UH, THAT I'M PRESENTING TO YOU IS ALSO FROM, UH, GLAND, UH, COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, THE REQUEST FOR THE NEW GES, THE, UH, GLIN HIGH SCHOOL, I

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MEAN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

UH, THIS IS ALSO A REQUEST FOR THE TWO EXCEPTIONS.

THIS IS ON A MUCH LARGER PIECE OF PROPERTY.

AND I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT WHY IN A MOMENT, OVER A HUNDRED ACRES.

SO, UH, THE, UM, SCHOOL IS LOCATED, UM, HERE IN THE, IN THE GLAND COURTHOUSE.

UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE, UM, AERIAL TO THE RIGHT, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

SO IT IS, UM, SHOWN AS A BLANK ON OUR, OUR PARCELS.

'CAUSE THERE HAS NOT BEEN A, A FLYOVER RECENT ENOUGH TO SHOW IT.

BUT YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE HIGH SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOL LOCATED ON THE SAME PROPERTY EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A ROAD RUNNING THROUGH IT THAT IS THE SAME PROPERTY.

WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL, UH, SMALLER LOT.

IT'S A, UM, THAT WOULDN'T GO AS FAR AS SMALL LOT, BUT, UM, THIS IS HOLLAND HILLS SUBDIVISION.

AND THEN, UH, SOME BUSINESS AS, UH, THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND, UM, SOME OTHER LARGER LOT, UM, RESIDENTIAL.

SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING MAP, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE.

YOU HAVE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL OVER HERE, WHICH IS THE SUBDIVISION, HOLLAND HILLS.

UH, THE PARCEL ITSELF IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED.

UM, THERE'S SOME BUSINESS, UM, LOCATIONS RIGHT HERE.

UH, THOSE ARE CURRENTLY VACANT.

THAT IS WHERE, UM, THE EXTENSION FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS ROAD WILL GO.

UM, AND THEN, UM, THE, ONCE AGAIN, THE, UM, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS THE, UM, SCHOOL AS, UH, PUBLIC AS, UH, THEY DO FOR ALL OF THEM.

SO THIS IS THE PRESENTATION I MEANT TO SHOW YOU FIRST IN, IN, UH, IN THE ATTEMPT TO, UH, NOT BE REPETITIVE, BUT, SO, UH, JUST TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE ONCE AGAIN, UH, FOUR HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

FIVE, IF YOU INCLUDE, UH, WE HAVE FIVE.

IF YOU INCLUDE THE, UM, THE COLLEGE, UH, THOSE ARE ALL THE SECONDS.

15 15, 15.

AND THEN TOMMY'S HAD ASKED FOR NONE.

SO THEY GOT ONE MINUTE, WHICH IS THE, THE STANDARD.

SO FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THIS IS A SITE PLAN.

OH, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT ONE, IS IT? THAT'S NOT EVEN THE RIGHT ONE.

I TO BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU IN A SECOND.

I'LL DOUBLE BACK.

UM, MY APOLOGIES.

OOPS, I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY.

UH, COMPLEX IS SHOWN ON THERE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE SIGN LOCATION ON THIS, UH, ON THIS SLIDE.

SO THIS IS THE SIGN LOCATION.

UM, AND THEN THIS IS ALSO THE PROXIMITY TO THE, UM, THE RESIDENCE.

I'LL, WE'LL GO BACK TO THAT AFTER I TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONSIDERATIONS.

UM, SO SAME CONSIDERATIONS AS LAST TIME.

YOU HAVE THE PROPORTION OF THE SIGN FACE.

UH, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 20%.

UH, COLORS WILL ALSO BE VARIED.

UM, GENERAL CHARACTER I HAD MENTIONED.

THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, UM, THAT ARE BEHIND THE AREA.

UH, THERE WILL BE THE PARKING LOT LOCATED AND THEN THE SCHOOL.

AND SO THERE WILL BE SOME DISTANCE, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME THINGS ACTUALLY, UH, IT WON'T BE NECESSARILY FACING THE, UH, THOSE SCHOOLS, I MEAN THE RESIDENCES, UM, MOSTLY LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY ON AND FARMLAND ON THE OTHER SIDE.

UH, THE TWO CLOSEST HOUSES ARE APPROXIMATELY 725 AND 775 FEET.

SO A LITTLE BIT FARTHER.

UH, NO LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED FOR THIS SIGN.

UM, THE SPEED LIMIT ON BULLDOG WAY, AGAIN, IT'S TWO LANES.

ITS SPEED LIMIT IS 40 DURING, UH, REGULAR HOURS.

I THINK AS MS. WHITE, UH, REFERENCES TO DROPS DOWN TO 25 BECAUSE IT IS A SCHOOL ZONE AND IT IS CLASSIFIED AS A LOCAL ROAD.

UH, THE TWO EXCEPTIONS THEY ARE REQUESTING.

THE FIRST ONE IS 15 SECONDS.

UM, UH, INSTEAD OF THE ONE MINUTE STANDARD, UH, SAME REASONING AND THE, UH, TURN ON TO BE AT 6:00 AM INSTEAD OF AT SUNRISE.

AND AGAIN, CLOSING AT BUSINESS OR UM, TURNING OFF AT BUSINESS OR 11 O'CLOCK.

SO THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING ALSO HELD ON JANUARY 3RD THAT WAS HERE AT THE BUILDING.

AND, UM, THERE WAS NO ATTENDEES FROM THE COMMUNITY.

UH, STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO, UM, THIS REQUEST.

SO AS WE SAID, THERE IS AN EFFORT TO COMBINE ALL THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ONTO ONE.

THERE ARE SEVERAL ON THIS OVERALL LARGER SITE.

UM, AT THE TOP YOU'LL SEE THE LOCATION OF THE, UM, FUTURE SCHOOL.

THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, I BELIEVE IT WAS 2021.

UM, THAT DOES ALLOW FOR A SCHOOL.

UM, THEY REQUIRED TO GET A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT AND A LIGHTING PLAN.

THEY'VE DONE ALL OF THOSE THINGS 'CAUSE IT'S NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

UH, THE CELL TOWER, UM, IS, THE LOCATION IS RIGHT THERE TOWARDS THE WOODS.

UM, CELL TOWER, 199 FEET MAXIMUM.

THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THE FEDERAL RULES.

UH, THERE'S A FENCED AREA AND A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT IDENTIFIES WHERE IT IS.

AND THEN THE GLAND COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL COMPLEX.

UM, THEY GOT AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD SIGN APPROVED, UH, TWO YEARS AGO.

THE,

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UH, THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT, UH, PRIOR TO A, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BEING REQUIRED FOR A SCHOOL, WHICH WE HAVE NOW.

SO THERE IS NO CUP FOR THAT.

SO SAME, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME EXACT, UH, CONDITIONS ARE RECOMMENDED TO THE COMMISSION.

UH, THERE USED TO BE AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE, BOARD SIGN, UH, SIMILAR APPEARANCE TO THE, UM, EXHIBIT THAT WAS SHOWN AS EXHIBIT A.

UH, THE SITE PLAN, THE LOCATION OF THE, UM, OF THE SIGN, THE SAME STANDARD LEASE OR LEASE OR TRANSFER IF IT GOES.

BUT THE COUNTY HAS TO KNOW AS WELL AS THE NEW LEASE OR OWNER.

AND THEN LASTLY, IF YOU APPROVE THE EXCEPTIONS, UM, IT WOULD BE 15 SECONDS INSTEAD OF ONE FOR THE FREQUENCY OF THE DISPLAY AND THE BRIGHTNESS TO BE ALLOWED TO TURN ON AT 6:00 AM OR EARLIER, WHICHEVER IS THE SUNRISE.

SO THAT IS THE, THIS VERSION OF THAT PRESENTATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

I, THIS SIGN IS, I DO, UM, THIS SIGN IS A LOT SMALLER THAN THE OTHER ONE.

THE OTHER ONE I THINK WAS 60% OF THE AREA.

THE OTHER ONE WAS 60, THIS ONE WAS 20%, I BELIEVE.

LEMME GO BACK TO THE REDUCTION IN SIZE.

UM, I THINK IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT MODEL THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE MS. WHITE CAN ANSWER FOR YOU AS WELL.

LEMME GO BACK TO THE SIGN.

I JUST WASN'T SURE IF IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE VILLAGE COURTYARD COURTHOUSE.

SO, UM, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE SIGN AND, UM, IT IS ACTUALLY DOWN SORT OF A, UH, THE, THE SLOPE CHANGES.

AND SO THERE'S QUITE A, THERE'S A BIG BASE BASE TO THE SIGN, A CONCRETE BASE WITH SOME, UM, STONE BRICKWORK, UM, ABOVE IT.

THAT'S THAT SORT OF DARKER L AND THEN IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE, THIS TOP WHERE THE ELECTRONIC PORTION IS, THAT'S ABOUT EXACTLY THE SAME AS AT BIRD.

SO IT'S REALLY SORT OF HOW THAT SLIPPING INTO THE SIGN ITSELF, THE, THE MONUMENT PART OF IT.

AND A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHERE IT'S LOCATED.

IT IS ON A DOWNWARD SLOPE.

AND SO WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT BASE WAS, UM, SECURE BEFORE WE PUT AN ELECTRONIC SIGN ON IT.

IT'S JUST A LARGER SIGN, RIGHT? IT STILL FITS THE REQUIREMENTS.

IT CAN'T BE ABOVE 10 FEET TALL, YOU KNOW, UH, ON THE, THE THE GROUND LEVEL.

GROUND LEVEL.

IT'S THE RATIO, RIGHT? MM-HMM, .

UM, THE, THE SIGN WOULD HAVE TO MEET OUR ORDINANCE LEVEL AND, AND IT DOES ACCOMMODATE FOR THE, UM, THE SLOPE IN OUR ORDINANCE.

ONE APPLICATION BY RIVER RUN MANOR, LLC REQUESTING RENEWAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C-U-P-K-C-U 20 19 11 FOR A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE ON 61.302 ACRES LOCATED AT 24 21 RIVER ROAD WEST ON TAX MAP NUMBERS 54 5 0 9 0 AND 54 3 0 C3.

IS THAT IT ALL UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, SIR? ENOUGH CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT BOARD.

I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU 2 0 2 4 DASH 0 0 0 0 4 FOR ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD AT 2000 BULLDOG WAY SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.

SECOND, ALL THE FAVOR BY SAYING AYE AYE.

MOTION.

THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A FIVE OH VOTE.

THIS CASE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON APRIL 16TH, 2024, WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

OUR NEXT ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS DISTRICT THREE CU 2024.

[3. District 3 - CU-2024-00001 Application by River Run Manor, LLC requesting renewal of conditional use permit (CUP) case CU-2019-00011 for a public assembly place on 61.302 acres located at 2421 River Road West on Tax Map Nos. 54-5-0-9-0 and 54-3-0-C-3. The property is zoned Agricultural, Limited (A-2). The CUP is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-112 in accordance with Sec. 15-290. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as a Rural Enhancement Area.]

THE PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TWO.

THE CUP IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 1 12, AND ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15 2 90.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS A RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.

THANK YOU MS. PARKER.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, AS MS. PARKER SAID, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONS PERMIT.

IT IS A REQUEST FOR A RENEWAL OF A CONDITIONS PERMIT FOR A PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UM, JUST EAST OF THE GHI COURTHOUSE VILLAGE.

UM, LOOKING AT THE, UH, ARROW PHOTO, YOU SEE THAT THE AREA DOES REFLECTS, UH, UH, A RURAL LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, AND IT DOES BACK UP TO THE JAMES RIVER OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREAS IN THE CONFERENCE OF LAND AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ALL SURROUNDING PROPERTIES IS OWNED AGRICULTURALLY.

UM, FOR MANY YEARS THIS PROPERTY WAS A RESIDENCE.

UM, IN 2019, THE APPLICANTS DID GET A, AN APPROVAL FOR A CEP FOR A PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.

UH, THEY DO RESIDE ON, ON SITE.

UM, THE LOWER LEVELS OF THE BUILDING, UH, INCLUDE BALLROOMS AND SUITES AND LOUNGE AND AREAS AND

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SO FORTH, AREAS THAT ARE USED FOR, UM, THE PUBLIC SUB ACTIVITY.

AND THEN THEY LIVE ON UPPER FLOORS.

JUST A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF THE SITE.

IT IS A GORGEOUS FACILITY, GORGEOUS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

UM, LOOKS LIKE A WONDERFUL PLACE TO HAVE A PLACE OF PUBLIC AND FAMILY AND TO HOST SPECIAL EVENTS.

UM, LOOKING AT THE, UH, UH, IT'S KIND OF ZOOMING IN ON THE SITE PLAN.

UH, THE MAIN HOUSE IS ABOUT 22,000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, THERE IS A POOL HOUSE THAT INCLUDES A POOL AND SORT OF A TENNIS AREA THAT CAN BE USED FOR ASSEMBLY ACTIVITIES.

UM, AND THERE IS A PARKING AREA AND AN OVERFLOW PARKING AREA, UM, BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE STRUCTURES AND RIVER ROAD WEST.

UM, THIS IS JUST A REFLECTION OF THE POD PLANS.

AND THIS JUST SORT OF, UH, HIGHLIGHTS.

UM, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE ON THE ARROW PHOTO, INCLUDING THE, THE MAIN HOUSE, THE, UM, THE POOL HOUSE, THE TENS COURT AREA, THE PARKING AREA, AND THE OVERFLOW PARKING AREA.

UH, JUST, UH, UH, SOME OF THE MEASUREMENTS KIND OF SHOW YOU WHERE THIS IS IN, IN, UM, PROPORTION, SOME OF THE CLOSEST DWELLINGS AND LANDMARKS.

UM, IT IS ABOUT 2000 FEET SOUTH OF RIVER ROAD WEST.

UH, THE CLOSEST DWELLINGS ARE ABOUT 707 30 FEET AWAY.

AND THOSE ARE IN RIVER CLIFF SUBDIVISION.

UM, THIS PARCEL IS ACTUALLY A PART OF RIVER CLIFF SUBDIVISION.

UM, AND THAT IS ABOUT A THOUSAND A FEET TO THE OTHER BANK OF THE JAMES RIVER.

UM, WITH THE CUP APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT DID REQUEST, UH, A NUMBER OF CHANGES TO THE CUP CONDITIONS.

UH, THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE PLANT OR TO THE BUILDINGS.

UM, BUT THEY DID REQUEST, UM, SOME CHANGES TO THE CUP CONDITIONS.

I HAVE THOSE LISTED HERE.

THEY DID WANT TO INCREASE, UH, THE, THE CAP ON THE NUMBER OF GUESTS.

UH, THEY WANTED TO INCREASE THE, THE NUMBER OF ACT CP ACTIVITIES THEY COULD HAVE.

UH, THEY DID WANT EXTEND HOURS OF OPERATION FOR ONE HOUR ON, UH, FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS FOR INDOOR ACTIVITIES.

UM, THEY DID HAVE A RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER OF TIMES THEY COULD HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND OUTDOORS.

THEY WANTED TO REMOVE THAT, THEY WANTED TO HAVE FIREWORKS, AND THEY ALSO WANTED TO EXTEND THEIR APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR RENEWAL PERIOD.

UM, WHEN WE GET TO THE CUP CONDITIONS, I WILL HIGHLIGHT, UM, THESE REQUESTS AND YOU'LL SEE THE RECOMMENDATION, THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS THAT ARE COMING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HOW THEY ADDRESS, UM, THESE, UH, THESE REQUESTED CHANGES.

UH, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD IN DECEMBER.

THERE WERE EIGHT ATTENDEES THERE INCLUDING, UH, COMMISSIONER MEYERS, UM, THE APPLICANTS.

UM, THEY DID GO VERY SPECIFICALLY OVER THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES.

UM, THEY'RE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT WITH THE COMMUNITY.

UM, GENERALLY THE, UM, THE ATTENDEES EXPRESS THE SUPPORT, UM, FOR THE RENEWAL.

IN FACT, SEVERAL OF 'EM EXPRESSED STRONG SUPPORT FOR IT.

NO ONE REALLY EXPRESSED ANY OPPOSITION TO THEM CONTINUING THEIR USE.

SOME PEOPLE DID HAVE SOME CONCERNS.

THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IDEA OF HAVING FIREWORKS HERE.

THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT ONE PERSON REQUESTED A FIVE YEAR RENEWAL, ANOTHER FIVE RENEWAL RATHER THAN A 10 YEAR RENEWAL.

UM, BUT EXCEPT FOR SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE THAT, GENERALLY THE, THE ATTENDEES WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION.

UM, JUST A, I'LL SHOW YOU THIS CHART.

I WON'T NECESSARILY GO OVER IT WITH DETAIL, BUT WE CAN REFER BACK TO IT.

UH, JUST SO THE COMMISSION KNOWS THAT IT HERE.

AND IT DOES SORT OF, UM, UH, LOOK, UM, AT SOME OF THE, THE RIVER RUN, IT LOOKS AT THE 2019 IONS, WHICH ARE THE CURRENT CONDITIONS THAT THEY OPERATE UNDER.

UM, YOU WILL SEE, UM, NEXT TO THAT WHERE THE, THE CHANGES, I REALLY DIDN'T HIGH THE CHANGES, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE, UH, SOME, SOME OF THE CHANGES, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WERE TO RECOMMEND THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE, THAT YOU'LL SEE IN A MOMENT.

UM, IT ALSO COMPARES IT TO DOVER HALL, BANDITS RIDGE RUNNING MAYOR AMPS INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL.

UM, ONE THING TO NOTE, ONE, UH, ONE SIMILARITY THAT ALL THESE UM, VENUES HAVE IS THEY'VE ALL COME BEFORE THE BOARD TWICE.

UM, AND THIS IS, THIS IS RIVER MANNERS THE SECOND TIME.

UM, SO, UH, AND, AND NO TWO VENUES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.

UM, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ACREAGES.

UM, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT FACILITIES ON SITE.

UM, THEY HAVE THEIR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN THE COUNTY.

SO, UM, A LOT OF THE CUP CONDITIONS, THEY'LL DRAIN.

THEY'LL ADDRESS THE SAME, UM, THE SAME ITEMS, BUT HOW THEY OPERATE, HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY CAN HAVE.

YOU KNOW, AS WE GET INTO THE SPECIFICS, THEY CAN VARY, UM, FROM APPLICATION TO APPLICATION.

BUT LIKE I SAID, I'LL GO ON THROUGH THERE, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY REFER BACK TO THAT IF THAT HELPS THE COMMISSION, UM, IN THEIR CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION.

UM, AS WE MOVE INTO THE CUP CONDITIONS, UM, UM, I'LL, I'LL STOP.

I'LL, UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, UH, SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT THAT WERE, ARE REFLECT CH SPECIFIC CHANGES THAT THEY HAD REQUESTED.

UH, THE FIRST CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.

UH, THE SECOND ONE WOULD TIE THEM TO THE POD PLAN THAT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER.

UM, THE THIRD ONE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE 75 PARKING SPACES.

UM, THEY DID HAVE A PARKING WAIVER TO ALLOW 'EM TO HAVE GRAVEL PARKING.

IT WOULD ALLOW THAT TO CONTINUE.

UM, THEIR ACCESS ROAD HAS

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TO MEET FIRE RESCUE AND DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.

THEY WOULD CONTINUE WITH THAT.

UM, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT ONE DETACHED SIGN.

UM, AND THE SEVENTH ONE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN FOR ANY PERMANENTLY INSTALLED EXTERIOR LIGHTING.

UM, AS WE GET INTO EIGHT AND NINE, I'LL SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE CHANGES.

UM, THEY DO HAVE A BUILDING CAPACITY LIMIT OF 299 PEOPLE AND THAT ALSO CORRESPONDS WITH THE CUP LIMIT.

UM, THEY REQUESTED TO GO MORE THAN 299.

UM, WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, IS THAT IS TO KEEP THE CUP AT 2 99.

THE COUNTY CODE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS, UM, A, A, A OWNER OF, OR A PROPERTY THAT HAS A CUP TO GET A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT FOR LARGER EVENTS.

UM, AND THAT WOULD REALLY BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS THAT WOULD, THAT THERE'S REALLY, IT DOESN'T CAP THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, IT DOESN'T CAP THE NUMBER OF TIMES THEY COULD DO IT.

THEY SIMPLY WOULD UTILIZE THE SPECIAL EVENT PROCESS THAT'S IN THE COUNTY CODE, UM, TO, TO HAVE LARGER EVENTS TO HOST LARGER EVENTS THAN 299 PEOPLE.

I MEAN, STAFF'S POSITION OF THAT ALL DOES OFFER THE APPLICANT MORE FLEXIBILITY, BUT ALSO ALLOWS THE COUNTY AGENCIES, ESPECIALLY THE PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES, BUILDING INSPECTIONS, FIRE RESCUE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF KNOW WHEN A LARGER EVENT IS GONNA TAKE PLACE.

UM, UM, AT A VENUE IN THIS CASE AT RIVER RUN MANOR.

UM, AS FAR AS THE EVENT LIMIT, PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE 40 PRIMARY EVENTS.

UM, WHAT THIS, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IS COMING FOR YOU NOW? IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE WOULD SEE WITH OTHER APPLICATIONS.

IT BASICALLY, FOR, UM, EVENTS, FEWER THAN 50 ATTENDEES, THEY COULD HAVE ONE PER DAY.

SO THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE SEVEN PER WEEK.

UM, EVENTS WITH 50 OR MORE ATTENDEES, THEY COULD HAVE TWO PER WEEK.

AND AS YOU MAY RECALL, FOR THESE FOR, FOR LIKE A WEDDING, WE WILL ALLOW THEM TYPICALLY TO ALSO HOLD SOME ACCESSORY EVENTS.

SO LIKE WE, IF THEY HAVE A WEDDING, THEY COULD HAVE LIKE A REHEARSAL DINNER AND MAYBE A, UM, A, A A A LUNCHEON THE NEXT DAY AND WE WOULD ALL COUNT THOSE AS ONE EVENT.

SO HERE THEY COULD HAVE THE TWO PRIMARY EVENTS.

EACH PRIMARY EVENT COULD HAVE TWO ACCESSORY EVENTS, SO THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM REALLY TO HAVE 13 EVENTS PER WEEK.

SO THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OVER THE 40.

UM, AND THAT IS, UH, AND I MENTIONED EARLIER THEY, THEY DID GET APPROVAL BEFORE.

UM, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN GENERATING ANY COMPLAINTS, UM, FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

UM, SO IT IS NORMAL FOR US TO OFFER, UM, TO AFFORD THESE VENUES ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY ONCE THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED THEY CAN COMPLY WITH THEIR CEP.

UM, AS FAR AS EVENT HOURS THEY'VE REQUESTED ONE MINOR CHANGE AND THAT WAS TO ALLOW TO EXTEND THE HOURS FOR INDOOR EVENTS ONLY FOR FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.

AND AGAIN, SEEMS TO BE A FAIRLY INSIGNIFICANT REQUEST.

AND THAT WOULD BE FOR INDOOR EVENTS ONLY.

THEY HAVE EXCLUDED, UH, SEVERAL HOLIDAYS, UM, AMPLIFIED NOISE.

UM, THE RESTRICTION THAT WAS ON THEM CURRENTLY OR PREVIOUSLY WAS ACTUALLY PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN OTHER, UM, VENUES HAVE HAD.

THEY WERE LIMITED TO HAVING OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC SIX TIMES PER YEAR.

UM, THIS WOULD REMOVE THAT LIMIT OF SIX AND IT WOULD BRING THEM INTO A CONDITION THAT'S MORE CONSISTENT.

NOT ALL VENUES HAVE THE SAME CONDITION, BUT WE GENERALLY WILL ALLOW THEM TO HAVE AMPLIFIED MUSIC AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN A STRUCTURE THAT THE, A TENT WITH FLAPS OR A BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THIS DOES OFFER THEM SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY AND, AND OFFERING, UM, OUTDOOR AMPLIFI MUSIC, THE UNIFORM SECURITY, THAT'S THE SAME CONDITION WE'RE CARRYING FORWARD.

UH, ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION CONSISTENT WITH, UM, UM, WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE FOR VENUE.

UM, THE ONE, UH, FIREWORKS THEY HAVE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED TO UTILIZE TO, TO HAVE FIREWORKS HERE.

UM, THE, THE BOARD HAS PRETTY CONSISTENTLY SUPPORTED NOT HAVING FIREWORKS AT THESE VENUES.

UM, SO THIS COMES BEFORE THE PLAN COMMISSION WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO CONTINUE THAT PROHIBITION ON FIREWORKS.

UM, AT THIS VENUE FACILITY, UH, STAFF'S MAIN CONCERN IS, I MENTIONED EARLIER THIS VENUE, LIKE MANY OTHER VENUES, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN GENERATING COMPLAINTS.

UM, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY COME UP FOR RENEWAL, THE, THEY'RE GENERALLY MORE SUPPORTIVE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE JUST A CONCERN THAT INTRODUCING FIREWORKS IS GONNA ENTRIES IMPACT THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S JUST THE MAIN REASON FOR, UM, NOT SUPPORTING FIREWORKS.

THEY SUBMITTED THE TRAFFICKING IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHICH DEMONSTRATED THEY WEREN'T CREATING ANY UNSAFE OR CAPACITY ISSUES THERE.

UH, THE RESTRICTION ON DISCHARGING FIREARMS FOR CUP ACTIVITIES AND THEN THE ANNUAL NOTICE AND UM, IS SORT OF TYPICAL AND THE TRANSFER LEASE IS THE TYPICAL, UM, CONDITION THAT YOU WOULD SEE.

AND AS FAR AS THE EXPIRATION

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DATE, UM, THEY DID REQUEST THE, A 10 YEAR RENEWAL.

UM, TYPICALLY A RENEWAL WOULD COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR 10 YEAR RENEWAL.

SO THAT WAS, UM, UH, A GOOD ONE TO PROVIDE.

BUT I THINK THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

CAN WE REVIEW THE PARKING SITUATION PLEASE? I THINK YOU SAID THERE WERE 75 CURRENT SPACES.

YEAH, CORRECT.

'CAUSE THE DAY YES.

ARRIVED FOR A PER VEHICLE, YOU WOULD STILL BE WAY, WAY SHORT OF HANDLING 7 75.

WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE, ONE, ONE THING THAT HAPPENS, AND I, AND WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT RIVER END MARINE SPECIFICALLY, BUT WHEN WE HAVE THESE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS, THAT DOES ALLOW CONSIDERATION OF THINGS LIKE, UM, UM, UH, HAVING, YOU KNOW, HAVING A TRAILERS OR SOMETHING OR BUSES BRING PEOPLE OR, UM, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY, UM, TO, FROM ANOTHER LOCATION, UM, TO HAVE A REMOTE PARKING AREA AND JUST TO INCLUDE THOSE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

UM, THEY DO HAVE AN OVERFLOW PARKING AREA, SO THEY, SO THEY COULD, UM, USE AN OVERFLOW PARKING AREA, BUT THE, THE, THE IDEA OF AN OVERFLOW PARKING AREA IS, IT SHOULD NOT BE USED VERY OFTEN.

IT SHOULD ONLY BE THERE USED OCCASIONALLY.

BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT 75 SPACES IS SORT OF BASED ON, YOU KNOW, TO ACCOMMODATE THE 2 99 CAPACITY THAT THEY HAVE TODAY.

WHERE, WHERE WOULD THAT OVER, WHERE WOULD THE OTHER PARKING TAKE PLACE IN THAT AREA? WELL THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN, THERE'S NO PLAN THAT I'M AWARE OF.

UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HANDLE THAT PARKING, IF THEY WERE TO OBTAIN A SPECIAL IMPLEMENT THAT WOULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN TO ADDRESS PARKING FOR THE SUBJECT EVENT.

THAT GENERALLY WHEN WE DO THE RENEWALS, I'M SORRY, GENERALLY WHEN WE DO THE RENEWALS, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE EXISTING WHEN WE EXTEND THEM FOR 10 YEARS, WE'RE NOT DOING A LOT OF CHANGES INSIDE OF THE RENEWAL.

THIS ONE, WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME PRETTY SERIOUS CHANGES WITH TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE.

AND, UM, TO GO TO 10 YEARS, WE'RE ASKING FOR A BIG CHANGE AND THEN GO INTO 10 YEARS ALSO.

MM-HMM, , I, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO OFFER A LITTLE ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY.

UM, I WOULD SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, A A GOOD ONE WOULD BE NUMBER OF EVENTS.

HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THEY'RE RESTRICTED TO MAYBE ONE OF TWO EVENTS PER WEEK, MAYBE IN A RENEWAL, THEY'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A FEW MORE EVENTS.

SO I, I WOULD SAY IT'S NORMAL TO TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT AND THEY, AND IT GENERALLY DOES OFFER THEM A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY.

UM, OKAY.

HAVE THERE BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THE COMMUNITY? THIS IS NOT GENERATING ANY COMPLAINTS THAT I'M AWARE OF.

AS A COURTESY TO HELP ALLEVIATE ANY CONCERNS AND HEAR INFORMATION FROM OUR NEIGHBORS.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? JUST SHOW ME HOW THESE, SO THERE'S, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA LOOK AT? I THINK SHE'S GOT ONE SHE'S PULLING UP.

HI YOU ALL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US.

THANKS TOM.

UM, I'M KIM MOODY, 2 4, 2 1 RIVER ROAD WEST AND, OKAY, PERFECT.

UM, JUST A COUPLE QUICK THINGS TO FOLLOW WHAT TOM WAS SAYING, UM, AND ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT COME UP FOR YOU.

ALL.

WE DO REQUIRE ANY EVENTS ON OUR PROPERTY, OVER 120 GUESTS.

THEY BUST THEM IN.

SO WHILE WE DO DEFINITELY NEED TO ENTERTAIN PARKING FOR A LARGER NUMBER, IT'S LESS OF A CONCERN BECAUSE CONTRACTUALLY THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE CHARTER BUSES.

THAT'S HOW WE KEEP EVERYBODY SO SAFE.

UM, ADDITIONALLY SPEAKING, ONE OF THE REASONS JUST TO SHED A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT ON THE FLEXIBILITY WE'RE WE WERE ASKING FOR, INSTEAD OF IT BEING SO SPECIFIC TO, UM, HOW MANY PER DAY OR HOW MANY PER WEEK, WE JUST ASK FOR THE GENERAL NUMBER BECAUSE WEATHER IN VIRGINIA HAS A BIG CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO RENT WEDDINGS.

SO SPRING AND FALL ARE REALLY BUSY TIMES OF THE YEAR.

UM, CURRENTLY WE ARE RECEIVING, UH, INQUIRIES FOR AS FAR OUT AS 2027.

SO A 10 YEAR RENEWAL IS WHAT WE THOUGHT WE HAD TO ASK FOR UNTIL WE RECENTLY FOUND OUT ANOTHER VENUE IN GLAND RECEIVED A 15 YEAR RENEWAL.

UM, SO JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH LUXURY WEDDINGS, THESE BRIDES ARE BOOKING OUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS PRETTY CONSISTENTLY.

UM, WE DID DO THE MEETING IN PERSON AT THE PROPERTY IN DECEMBER INVITING ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS.

HOWEVER, A COUPLE DAYS AFTERWARDS, UH, WE DID HAVE AID IN ATTENDANCE.

WE DID FIND OUT THAT THE POSTAL SERVICE, UM, FAILED US A LITTLE BIT EVEN THOUGH WE SENT OUR, UM, LETTERS OUT THREE WEEKS IN ADVANCE.

SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS DID NOT RECEIVE THOSE.

SO WE ADDITIONALLY, JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO HOSTED AN ZOOM CALL

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SO THAT'S SORT OF HOW WE CAME UP WITH WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR.

UM, SO LONG STORY SHORT, WE'VE BEEN A WEDDING PLANNING COMPANY AND HAVE WORKED TOGETHER THE PAST 20 YEARS.

UM, WE HAVE MANAGED MY WEDDING PLANNING BUSINESS, KIM MOODY, DESIGNED SUCCESSFULLY THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE TIME, INCLUDING WHAT WE'VE DONE AS A PLANNING COMPANY, AS WELL AS WHAT WE'VE DONE AT RIVER RUN.

WE'RE AT OVER 1400 WEDDINGS, SO WE, WE DO, WE HAVE SEEN A THING OR TWO.

UM, MANY OF THOSE WERE ACTUALLY IN GLAND LONG BEFORE RIVER RUN EXISTED.

I'VE WORKED AT TUCKAHOE A LOT.

I'VE WORKED AT DOVER MANY TIMES.

I'VE WORKED AT LOTS OF PRIVATE ESTATES, UM, THE MEADOWS, ET CETERA.

SO WE HAVE, AS A COMPANY, TRANSITIONED INTO, UM, MANAGING THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S OUR FULL-TIME COMMITMENT NOW.

UM, AND SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO DO THAT.

RIVER RUNS AVERAGE CLIENT BUDGET IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 80 AND 120,000, UM, DOLLARS.

THEY HAVE VERY HIGH EXPECTATIONS AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.

SO WE HAVE TO RUN A PRETTY TIGHT SHIP, WHICH IS ONE REASON FOR THE BUSES, UM, BEING SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT.

WE'VE GOT OVER 205 STAR REVIEWS ON GOOGLE, WEDDING WIRE, THE KNOT, FACEBOOK, ET CETERA.

UM, NO COMPLAINTS SO FAR.

SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL ALWAYS KEEP THAT UP.

UM, A FEW OTHER QUICK THINGS JUST FOR GLIN, I WANTED TO MENTION, WE FREQUENTLY FILL THE RESIDENTS IN, WHICH AS Y'ALL KNOW, IS IN GLAND COUNTY.

WE ALL BENEFIT FROM THE LODGING TAXES THERE.

SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING.

THEY ARE NUMBER ONE REFERRAL PARTNER WHEN IT COMES TO LODGING.

UM, WE ALSO BRING A LOT OF TOURISM TO GLAND AND IT'S GOOD TOURISM THE SINGLE DAY OR JUST THE WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY'RE OUT AND THEY'RE BACK TO THEIR WORLD IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND MARYLAND OR WHEREVER THEY'RE FROM.

SO, UM, WE'RE FILLING THE RESTAURANTS, WE'RE DOING OUR PART WITH THE WINERIES, THE CRIES, THE DISTILLERIES, THE LOCAL SHOPS, THE, THE RETAIL BUSINESSES, ET CETERA.

UM, AND RIVER RUN HAS A PRIVATE ONE LABEL THROUGH ELK ISLAND WINERY, SO SUPPORTING THAT AG TOURISM ARM AS WELL.

UM, AT THE VERY BEGINNING, 2019 WHEN WE WERE LAST IN FRONT OF YOU ALL, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF UPS AND DOWNS SINCE IN GLOBAL PANDEMIC.

UM, QUITE A PROCESS WITH THE, UM, WITH THE BUILDING CONVERSION TO MAKE IT INTO A MIXED USE FACILITY.

AND WE'VE RUN THE INTERNET SIX OR SEVEN MILES FROM CROZIER ALL THE WAY TO MAIDEN.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD BE A HELPFUL THING TO THE BOARD, UM, OF SUPERVISORS AS THEY MAKE THIS CONSIDERATION FROM YOU ALL.

UM, WE WANNA BREEZE THROUGH SOME OF THE NEXT SLIDES 'CAUSE TOM HAS COVERED A LOT OF IT ALREADY, BUT ANDREW JUST WAS GONNA GO OVER, UM, THE CHART A LITTLE BIT QUICKLY.

WHICH BUTTON IS NEXT? I GOT IT.

UM, I'M ANDREW MOODY, OF COURSE.

UH, 2 4 2 1 RIVER ROAD WEST.

UH, I CREATED A VERY, OR WE CREATED A, A SIMILAR SLIDE JUST TO SHOW WHAT WE APPLIED FOR IN OUR APPLICATION, WHAT OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS ARE, AND SOME OF THE, UH, CONDITIONS THAT WE, UH, WANTED TO DISCUSS.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN WE FIRST CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD, WE WERE, UM, NOT KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY OR WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ESTABLISHED REPUTATION.

SO WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND RESTRICTIONS BEING PLACED UPON A FIRST TIME, UH, APPLICANT FOR A A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

UM, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE BACK HERE.

WE'RE UP FOR OUR RENEWAL AND WE ARE ASKING FOR SOME OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS TO BE RELAXED SO THAT WE CAN OPERATE IN A MORE, UH, EQUITABLE, EQUITABLE MANNER AS OTHER VENUES IN THE COUNTY.

UM, WE DISCUSSED THE NUMBER LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF GUESTS AND UH, I PUT PARKING RIGHT BELOW THAT, AS YOU COULD SEE TO KIND OF COMPARE WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WE HAVE IN PARKING.

AND, AND KIM MENTIONED THE CHARTER TRANSPORTATION, BUT WE, WE JUST ASKED FOR 700 ON OUR APPLICATION.

WE CERTAINLY, UH, WE SAID THAT WE'RE TOTALLY FINE KEEPING THAT A LITTLE BIT LOWER AT 500.

UM, AND OF COURSE KEEPING THE 2 99 INDOORS DUE TO THE FIRE SAFETY.

UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE COMPARISON TO OTHER VENUES, UH, DOVER HALL HAS 400, THEY HAVE 63 PARKING SPOTS FOR THEIR 400 THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED.

UH, AND ADAMS INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL IS ALLOWED 700 AND THEY HAVE 53 PARKING SPACES.

UM, AND THEY BOTH HAVE 2 99 INDOOR LIMITS ON THEIR, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.

SO I, I'M JUST WANTED TO SHOW UP A COMPARISON OF WHY WE'RE ASKING WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

UM, AND WE ALSO, THE, WE DID THE 75 REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.

WE ALSO HAVE THAT OVERFLOW AND IT'S ON, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE THE SECOND OR THIRD SLIDE WHERE IT WAS LIKE A LITTLE DOTTED END DRAWING OF THE OVERFLOW PARKING.

AND SO WE DO HAVE THAT THERE AND IT'S ABOUT ABOUT 40 ADDITIONAL SPACES.

UM, SO WE HAVE QUITE A FEW EXTRA PARKING SPOTS.

UM, AS FAR AS LIMIT ON THE CUP ACTIVITIES GO THE AMOUNT, UM, AGAIN, WE JUST REQUESTED ONE PER DAY

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TO BE IN COMPARISON.

TO BE FAIR WITH BANDITS RIDGE, THEY'RE ALLOWED ONE PER DAY.

UM, WE, WE SAW WHAT THE COUNTY RECOMMENDED IN THEIR STAFF REPORT AND WE ARE OKAY WITH LIMITING US TO LESS THAN ONE PER DAY.

UM, BUT INSTEAD OF IT BEING THE 50 GUESTS, WE ASK FOR IT TO BE 80 80 GUESTS BECAUSE WE CONSIDER THAT AN INTIMATE WEDDING.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WEEKDAY WEDDINGS THAT ARE INTIMATE WEDDINGS THAT HAVE LESS THAN 80 GUESTS.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE REQUESTED 80 INSTEAD OF 50 AND THEN ONE 50 TOTAL IN INSTEAD OF TWO PER WEEK.

BECAUSE THERE ARE, AS KIM MENTIONED, THERE ARE HEAVY TIMES OF THE YEAR SUCH AS APRIL AND MAY, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, WHERE WE COULD HAVE A WEEKEND WHERE IT'S THREE IN A WEEKEND, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF HOW, UH, THE DEMAND FOR THOSE DATES.

UM, AND THERE MAY BE AN ENTIRE MONTH WHERE WE DON'T HAVE AN EVENT IN THE SUMMER.

SO THAT'S WHY WE, INSTEAD OF IT BEING LIMITED TO AN AMOUNT PER WEEK, WE WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF IT WAS JUST A TOTAL AMOUNT OVERALL.

UM, THE LESS, ONE OF THE LAST THINGS IS, UH, THIS WAS JUST BROUGHT UP EARLIER TODAY, SO I APOLOGIZE.

IT WASN'T IN OUR APPLICATION OR IN THE STAFF REPORT.

IT WAS JUST BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION TODAY THAT ANOTHER, UH, VENUE WHICH IS RUNNING MAYOR, THEY APPLIED FOR THEIR, OR THEY, WHEN THEY RENEWED THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEY REQUESTED 15 YEARS.

AND THE BOARD GRANTED THAT WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT THAT WAS AN OPTION WHEN WE APPLIED.

WE WERE TOLD 10 IS WHAT THE STANDARD IS.

THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT EVERYBODY DOES.

UM, SO WE DID NOT KNOW UNTIL, UH, WE FOUND OUT EARLIER TODAY.

SO WE ARE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT REQUEST ON HOW LONG.

AND JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT KIM SAID, THE PEOPLE ARE BOOKING YEARS AND YEARS OUT AND THIS IS A LONG, A VERY LONG PROCESS.

WE FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION BACK IN LATE SEPTEMBER, TURNED IT IN IN OCTOBER, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO EVERY FIVE TO 10 YEARS.

UM, WE, WE ARE A VERY ESTABLISHED BUSINESS.

IF THERE ARE COMPLAINTS AGAINST US, WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE WHAT WE'RE DOING.

UM, BUT WE WOULD NOT, LIKE, WE PREFER TO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS MORE TIMES THAN WE NEED TO.

UM, AND SO I THINK TOM TOUCHED ON THE OTHER, UH, EVENT, THE OTHER, UH, THE OTHER REQUEST THAT WE HAD MADE AND WE'RE WE'RE FINE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THOSE.

UH, THERE WAS ONE MINOR CHANGE I TALKED TO TOM ABOUT, UM, WAS THE LIGHTING PLAN THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A, UM, APPROVAL FOR ALL TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT LIGHTING ON THE FACILITY.

UM, TOM AND I SPOKE ABOUT HE WAS HOPING WE COULD MAKE A CLARIFICATION ON THAT IF THE, IF YOU ALL ARE AGREEABLE TEMPORARY THERE, UM, ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT SHOWS LIKE SOME BISTRO LIGHTING, UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GETS PUT IN LIKE EVERY WEEKEND THEY JUST HANG THE BISTRO LIGHTING LIKE ON TEMPORARY POLES.

I CAN'T IMAGINE HAVING TO SUBMIT A PERMIT EVERY WEEK FOR TEMPORARY BISTRO LIKE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS BASICALLY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO NOTE THAT CHANGE IN THE WAY THAT IT'S WORDED AS TEMPORARY COULD, SHOULD BE DEFINED, UM, TO, TO NOT INCLUDE BISTRO CHRISTMAS LIGHTS AND THAT THAT'S OUR SUGGESTION AND THAT LIGHTING SEPARATE.

AND THEN, UM, AND JUST TO KIND OF BREEZE THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICKLY, WE KNEW FIREWORKS WAS GONNA BE THE THING THAT CAUSED THE MOST CONTENTION.

WE'D BEEN WARNED ABOUT THAT, UM, FIVE YEARS AGO AND WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT WHY UNTIL RECENTLY.

BUT NOW WE'VE LEARNED.

UM, AND SO WE'VE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS QUITE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MANY OF THESE POINTS.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THIS SLIDE CAME FROM.

UM, WE HAD MR. DAVIES, THE FIRE MARSHAL OUT FOR A SITE VISIT.

WE'VE, UM, HE MET WITH OUR RECOMMENDED CONTRACTOR, BRANDON, WHO'S THE ONLY PERSON THAT WOULD BE LAUNCHING ON THE FACILITY.

UM, WE, EACH TIME THERE WOULD BE A FIREWORKS DISPLAY REQUEST FROM ONE OF OUR CLIENTS, IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE TYPICAL GLAND COUNTY PERMITS.

UM, IF WEATHER OR DRY TEMPERATURE OR DRY, UM, CONDITIONS DID NOT ALLOW FOR IT, CERTAINLY MR. DAVIES WOULD DECLINE THE PERMIT AND THE THE EVENT WOULD NOT HAVE IT.

UM, LENGTH OF SHOW IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT.

IT ALWAYS WOULD BE UNDER FIVE MINUTES WITH EVENTS, PEOPLE'S ATTENTION SPANS ARE ABOUT 90 SECONDS.

UM, THEY'VE ALSO BEEN DRINKING, THEY WANNA GET BACK TO THE DANCE FLOOR.

UM, IN THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION WE HAVE A LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY, ONLY ONE SPOT THAT'S CONSIDERED A SAFE LAUNCH SITE AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE WHERE THE GUESTS WOULD VIEW IT FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS NOT GONNA BE IDEAL FOR MOST OF OUR PEOPLE BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DO THE RECEPTIONS IN THE LOWER BALLROOM, WHICH IS ON THE RIVERSIDE AND THERE'S NO SAFE LAUNCH SITE ON THE RIVERSIDE.

SO THAT FURTHER IS GONNA DETER PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO DO THIS BECAUSE THEIR EVENTS WOULD HAVE TO END EARLIER OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHUFFLE 150 PEOPLE UPSTAIRS AND OUT THE FRONT DOOR FOR 90 SECONDS AND THEN BACK IN.

SO I JUST, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING, UM, VERY POPULAR IN GENERAL.

BUT WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT LEAVE US AND GO TO OTHER VENUES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE FIREWORKS.

AND OBVIOUSLY EVERY RENTAL REALLY COUNTS WHEN YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE LIKE WE DO.

SO WE DON'T WANNA BE THE ONES THAT ARE DETERRING

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THAT.

UM, WE HAVE PUT IN THERE THAT IT WOULD ALWAYS BE COMPLETED BEFORE NINE OR BEFORE 10:00 PM BUT RECOMMENDED BY NINE 30.

UM, AND THEN THE SHELL SIZE WAS BASED ON THE SAFE LAUNCH LOCATION.

SO JUST TO KIND OF GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS.

AND THEN WE DID HAVE BRANDON FROM SIGNATURE SPARKS WHO IS ONE OF OUR, UM, DJ UH, REFERRAL PARTNERS.

HE WORKS AT THE VENUE IN A DJ CAPACITY, BUT ALSO HAS A, UM, HE'S A LICENSED POWER TECHNICS.

SO HE HAS A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE THAT MAY BE HELPFUL FOR YOU ALL JUST TO KIND OF REVIEW A FEW DIFFERENT COMPONENTS ABOUT IT.

SO THE, THE MAP IS UP HERE AND THEN BRANDON IF YOU WANNA ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND KIND OF GO THROUGH IT.

SO THE VIEWING AUDIENCE AREA IS NOTED THERE.

SO JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST OF ALL.

UH, GOOD EVENING TO Y'ALL.

I WANTED DISPEL A COUPLE ISSUES, UH, OR MISCONCEPTIONS.

THE FIREWORKS THAT YOU GUYS ARE USED TO SEEING, 4TH OF JULY, NEW YEAR'S EVE, THOSE ARE CALLED 1.3 G FIREWORKS.

THOSE ARE CALLED DISPLAY FIREWORKS.

THEY'RE HUGE, THEY'RE VERY BIG.

WE WILL NOT BE USING THOSE HERE.

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM AND THOSE ARE VERY DANGEROUS.

WHAT I USE ARE CALLED 1.4 G, ALSO KNOWN AS CLASS B FIREWORKS THAT ARE CONSUMER PROFESSIONAL FIREWORKS.

SO THE SAME THING THAT YOU MIGHT BUY ON THE ROADSIDE.

ALL THE DIFFERENCE IS I'M A PROFESSIONAL IN THE, I WON'T SET MYSELF ON FIRE .

I DO OWN TWO LICENSES IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.

I AM A LEGAL PROFESSIONAL.

THIS IS WHAT WE DO.

THE SHELL SIZE THAT WE SHOOT ARE VERY SMALL.

NOW WE NOTICED SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WERE WORRIED ABOUT, UM, THEIR PETS AND LIVESTOCK.

WELL IF YOU LOOK SORRY ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU LOOK THAT GREEN LINE IS WHERE THE FIREWORK SOUNDS ARE.

ONE THAT I FORGOT TO PUT IN WAS A THUNDERSTORM.

THUNDERSTORMS GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 180 DECIMALS.

NOW WE CANNOT CONTROL THE FREQUENCY OF WIND OR WHERE THUNDERSTORMS HAPPEN, BUT BEING BORN AND RAISED IN VIRGINIA, I KNOW WE HAVE LOTS OF THUNDERSTORMS AND YOU GUYS GET THEM PRETTY BAD IN GLAND.

SO THE ONE THING ABOUT US HAVING FIREWORKS THERE WE CAN CONTROL AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW AND PREPARE THEM AHEAD OF TIME.

I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF SHOTGUN BLASTS IN GLIN.

'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE VERY BIG DEER HERE 'CAUSE I'VE HUNTED THEM OVER THE YEARS.

UM, A POLICE SIREN, WE'VE HEARD ONE EARLIER.

UM, THESE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE BEING MUCH LOUDER NOW.

THESE DECIMAL LEVELS ARE FROM, IF WE WERE STANDING RIGHT ON TOP OF THE FIREWORKS, THE FURTHER YOU GO AWAY, THE LESS THE DECIMALS ARE.

SO THE EQUIVALENT, I WOULD SAY TO THE NEIGHBOR WITH THE HOW FAR THE NEIGHBORS ARE, IT'D BE MAYBE A SMALL CALIBER PISTOL GOING OFF.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'D HEAR.

THEY WON'T SEE LARGE BLOOMING DISPLAYS IN THE SKY.

THE, THE FIREWORKS I SHOOT WILL GO MAYBE 135 TO 150 FEET TOPS IN THE AIR.

THEY'RE VERY SMALL IN STATURE.

LIKE I SAID, THE MAXIMUM SIZE THAT I'D BE USING WILL BE ONE AND A HALF INCHES FOR SAFETY REASONS.

AND BECAUSE THAT'S THE AREA GRANTED.

AND FOR THREE MINUTES.

FOR THREE MINUTES.

BUT I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT CHEAP.

SO MOST PEOPLE GET A COUPLE MINUTES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF LICENSING AND INSURANCE.

THERE'S A LOT OF INSURANCE.

SO WE DO, I DO THIS AS A PART OF MY BUSINESS.

SO IT'S NOT CHEAP AT ALL TO DO THIS.

SO MOST PEOPLE KEEP IT AROUND A TWO MINUTE, WHICH IS CALLED MY FINALE.

SO IT USUALLY LASTS ABOUT A MINUTE AND A HALF TO TWO MINUTES AND THEN IT'S OVER.

SO MY SETUP TIME IS A LOT.

BASICALLY I SET UP FOR TWO HOURS TO FIRE A MINUTE AND A HALF.

SO THE TOTAL FIREWORKS DISPLAY AT , EXCUSE ME SIR, TOTAL DISPLAY ONES? TOTAL DISPLAY WOULD BE OVER AND DONE WITH THE LONGEST DISPLAY? I WOULD DO, WOULD BE FIVE MINUTES, BUT NORMALLY A FINALE USUALLY LASTS ABOUT A MINUTE AND 20 TO TWO MINUTES.

SO IT'S OVER AND DONE WITH.

SO THAT'S FROM START TO FINISH, EXCUSE ME.

AND WHAT TIME OF, OF, OF, OF, OF DAY FIREWORKS? THE FIREWORK SHOWS NORMALLY WOULD BE THE ONCE, UH, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF YEAR, UH, THE TIME OF YEAR, BUT ONCE IT GOT GOT DARK ENOUGH SO THEY WOULD BE VISIBLE FOR THE BRIDE IN THE GROOMS. SO THAT'D BE, SO IT'D BE A LITTLE LATER IN THE SPRING.

IN THE SUMMER.

BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD CAP THE TIME BECAUSE ONE, WE UNDERSTAND NEIGHBORS LIKE TO GO TO SLEEP.

SO WE DON'T WANNA WAKE ANYBODY UP, ALTHOUGH THE SOUND WON'T CARRY THAT FAR.

WE DON'T WANT TO, TO, WE WANNA BE RESPECTFUL AND RESPONSIBLE TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

14:00 PM BEFORE 10:00 PM DEFINITELY GOT IT.

, THAT'S A RULE OF THUMB.

ALWAYS BEFORE 10.

THAT'S A RULE OF THUMB NO MATTER WHAT TIME OF THE, WHAT TIME OF THE YEAR.

ALWAYS BEFORE 10 O'CLOCK.

WE HAVE, UH, MADE A COUPLE OF, THERE WE GO.

SO YOU'RE ASKING US TODAY TO DROP FROM 700 TO 500.

CORRECT?

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WE, UM, ALRIGHT.

THOSE ARE THE, YOUR UPDATED REQUESTS.

SO WHERE IT SAYS UPDATED REQUESTS IS WHAT WE WERE, HAVE LOWERED OUR REQUESTS TO.

UM, AND THE ONLY, THOSE ARE THE THREE DIFFERENCES ON OUR, WHAT OUR APPLICATION SAID.

SORRY, I'M NOT IN FRONT OF THE MARK.

BUT THE, UH, LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF GUESTS AND THEN ALSO THE LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITIES WE'RE ASKING FOR TO BE 80 INSTEAD OF 50.

AND THEN ALSO INSTEAD OF TWO PER WEEK, JUST ONE 50.

EVEN ON THE ONES THAT ARE OVER 50 GUESTS, WELL, I GUESS THAT SHOULD SAY OVER 80 GUESTS.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE ON THE RENEWAL PERIOD.

LENGTH TO 15 YEARS.

THOSE ARE THE THREE CHANGES THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.

, WHAT'S THE LIGHTING? THE, THE LIGHTING WAS MAYBE JUST THE DEFINITION THAT MAY NEED BE DEFINED IN THE ACTUAL CUP BEFORE IT'S VOTED ON.

JUST HOW DEFINING TEMPORARY, WHICH TEMPORARY WOULD NOT INCLUDE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS OR BISTRO LIGHTS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE LANGUAGE IN THAT TO BE UPDATED.

UH, CLARIFY, CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR ME.

YOU, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE AMOUNT OF EVENTS YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE MORE PER WEEK DURING THE SPRING AND SUMMER AND MAYBE NOT HAVE, I MEAN SPRING AND FALL, UH, FALL AND NOT HAVE ANY AT ALL IN THE SUMMER, BUT YOU WANT A TOTAL OF, I FORGET WHERE IT, IT SAYS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT THE SAME TOTAL, BUT YOU WANT TO FIT IT INTO A SMALLER PERIOD OF TIME.

SO JUST SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 2024, WE HAD A WEDDING ON, I THINK WE HAD TWO IN JANUARY, WE HAVE ONE REHEARSAL DINNER OKAY.

THIS MONTH.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER WEDDING UNTIL MARCH 9TH.

SO THEY GO PRETTY HEAVILY FROM MID-MARCH TO LATE JUNE, MID-JUNE.

UM, AND THEN AGAIN STARTING UP IN AUGUST.

AND THEY PRETTY MUCH STOP ALTOGETHER THE WEEK BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

SO.

AND WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM YOU WOULD HAVE PER WEEK IN, IN MY OPINION, OR KIM WOULD SPEAK BETTER TO THIS BECAUSE OF HER WEDDING PLANNING EXPERIENCE, BUT I, I WOULD SAY THREE TYPICALLY WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT WOULD BE OVER 80 GUESTS IS IF THEY, IF IT WAS A FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, BACK TO BACK ON A VERY POPULAR, UH, MONTH.

IS THAT YEAH.

THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK.

WE, I DON'T THINK WE'D WANT TO TAKE MORE THAN THREE PER WEEK.

WE'RE NOT A BIG ENOUGH COMPANY FOR THAT.

TOM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

DID WE APPROVE THE 15 YEAR THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR DID THE BOARD MAKE THAT CHANGE? THE BOARD? NO, THE, UH, BOARD DID THEY, UH, UM, THEY HAD REQUESTS FOR 15 YEAR RENEWAL RATHER THAN THE 10.

THE BOARD GRANTED 15 YEAR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.

I NOW OPEN IT UP FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.

NEITHER ONE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

WANNA DEFINE, UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS? UM, YEAH.

THE LIGHTING AND ADJUSTMENTS WE, YEAH.

AND THE LIGHTING MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, STAFF CAN HELP DEFINE IF, IF TO INCLUDE THE BISTRO CHRISTMAS LIGHTING.

WOULD WE HAVE TO PUT SOME NO, ACTUALLY FESTIVE, THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE EXCLUDES FESTIVE LIGHTING LIKE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS.

AND IF IT'S, WHAT I ENVISION THE STRING LIGHTS THAT ARE SORT OF LIKE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS, THOSE ARE NOT INCLUDED.

UH, THOSE ARE EXCLUDED FROM REQUIRING A LIGHTING LIGHTING PLAN.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH CORRECT, CORRECT.

TOM WARN ON THEIR PRESENTATION, THEY SHOWED WHERE THEY WERE HAVING THE FIREWORKS, AND ON YOUR PRESENTATION YOU SHOWED OVERFLOW PARKING.

THEY SEEMED TO BE REALLY CLOSE TOGETHER.

I'M, I'M SORRY, MR. , ON THEIR PRESENTATION, THEY HAD SHOWED WHERE THE FIREWORKS WOULD BE.

THE, THE, THE, IT'S WHERE THEY APPROVED LAUNCH POINT OR WHATEVER THEY CALL IT.

AND IT IS RIGHT ON TOP OF WHERE THE OVERFLOW PARKING IS.

OVERFLOW PARKING IS, YES.

IS THAT NORMAL? I MEAN, I GUESS, I MEAN, NO ONE HAS, FIRE MARSHAL TOOK THAT OVERFLOW PARKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN, I MEAN, I WOULD DEFER TO THE FIRE MARSHAL, BUT I THINK HE SIMPLY FOUND A, A LOCATION ON THEIR SITE WHERE THEY COULD OPERATE THE FIREWORKS.

I MEAN, .

DOWN TO, UM, THE OVERFLOW PARKING AND SOME OF THE REGULAR PARKING ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE FALLOUT ZONE.

DOUG DAVIES.

FIRE MARSHAL GLAND COUNTY.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE SITE THAT WE NARROWED

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THEY HAVE TO HAVE A HUNDRED FEET FOR EVERY INCH OF SHELL.

SO THEY NEED A 150 FEET OF FALLOUT ZONE.

SO WHERE WE'RE SETTING UP AT IT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THE OVERFLOW AND THE REGULAR PARKING.

AND WE DISCUSSED HOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO BLOCK THAT OFF AND NOT ALLOW ANY VEHICLES IN THAT AREA.

THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED THEN WE DID DISCUSS THAT ISSUE ON MY SITE VISIT.

WE DON'T HAVE, OR WE HAVEN'T ALLOWED FIREWORKS IN ANY OTHER NO, SIR.

I'M, I HAVE NOT.

IN 12 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, I HAVE NOT ISSUED A FIREWORKS PERMIT FOR ANY EVENT VENUE FOR A WEDDING OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT.

AND A PERMIT HAS TO BE ISSUED FOR EVERY EVENT.

A FIREWORKS PERMIT DOES HAVE TO BE ISSUED BY ME, UH, FOR EVERY FIREWORKS EVENT.

AND IF THERE WERE ISSUES WITH NOT COMPLYING, THEN THE PERMIT WOULD CEASE TO BE ISSUED.

CORRECT? I WOULD NOT ISSUE THE PERMIT IF CONDITIONS WERE SUCH THAT IT WOULD NOT BE SAFE.

UH, IF THEY DID NOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AND THE FALLOUT ZONE, IF THEY TRIED TO LAUNCH SHELLS LARGER THAN IS ALLOWED, THAT PERMIT WOULD BE DENIED.

WOULD FUTURE PERMITS BE DENIED ALSO ON THAT? OR IF ONCE THEY CAME BACK IT WOULD BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

WE HAVE TO READ THROUGH, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE STAFF ON EACH OF THE CONDITIONS AND THEN MOTION ON EXCEPTIONS.

I WOULD RECOMMEND STAFF AND GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THE CONDITIONS.

IS THAT MS? YEAH.

JACKSON TAKE.

LET'S TAKE OUR, TAKE HER ON WITH COMMISSION.

UH, GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I, I, MS. JACKSON.

UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I, I THINK I'LL NEED SOME HELP, UM, WITH THE CUP CONDITIONS, UM, AND STAFF.

MAYBE WE CAN, UH, BRING UP THE, UH, EXCEPTIONS.

I BELIEVE IT STARTS WITH NUMBER NINE ACCORDING TO MY NOTES.

UM, AND I, I WOULD, I GUESS, FIRST OF ALL, I GUESS SHOULD I, SHOULD I GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION? MM-HMM.

NOW AND WE GO THROUGH, IS THAT, IS THAT OKAY MS. JACKSON? YES.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT, THAT WE APPROVE AND THEN WE, WE CAN READ THE MOTION.

UH, I I GUESS AT THE END, UH, WITH INCLUDING, UH, CUP CONDITION NINE, I BELIEVE THE NEXT ONE IS 10.

OH, CORRECT.

NINE WILL CHANGE TO WHAT? NINE WILL CHANGE TO, UH, THE SPECIAL REQUIRING THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT UNDER COUNTY CODE.

THERE ARE MAXIMUM 500 AS AS PRESENTED.

WE CAN ADD AS WITH A MAXIMUM OF 500.

MR. CHAR, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHERE ARE YOU MAKING THE 500 CHANGE? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT SAYS 2 99, RIGHT? IT'S ANOTHER, THE ONE WHERE IT SAYS 700 WILL GO TO 500.

IS THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE? LET'S, WELL, THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS DON'T SAY 700, ARE YOU? CORRECT.

ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANNA HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 500 GUESTS PRESENT PER, PER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST? YES.

AND YOU, SO NINE WOULD BE ALTERED TO, WE WOULD ACCEPT NINE AS IN IS AN AS.

SO YOU WANNA CHANGE THE 2 99 TO 500 CORRECT.

AND REMOVE THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT? YES.

COMMISSIONERS? YES.

I'M READ A MAXIMUM OF 500, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ELIMINATE THE, UH, REVIEW END.

MS. SHERRY JUMPED IN IF YOU NEED .

IT STILL HAS THE LIMIT OF 2 99 INSIDE THE BUILDING, CORRECT? THAT IS TRUE.

SO THEY'RE STILL GOVERNED BY THE 2 99 INTERIOR.

I SAY, UH, CONDITION NUMBER 10, PLEASE.

WHAT'S GOING ON? AND THE APPLICANT? YES.

AND CONDITION, UH, NUMBER 10 WOULD BE, UH, REMOVED TO 150 EVENTS PER YEAR.

OVER 80 ATTENDEES ON NUMBER OR DAY OF THE WEEK.

I'M SORRY? THIS IS B UH, 10 B, CORRECT? YES.

WHAT ABOUT IT? SORRY.

UH, IT, IT THEY WANTED 80 INSTEAD OF 50.

C MS. JACKSON, IS THAT YEAH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT OVERALL IN THEIR REQUEST WAS 150, UH, EVENTS PER YEAR OVER 80 GUESTS.

SO IT WOULDN'T READ CLEARLY AS A, B OR

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OR, OR WE COULD JUST LEAVE A EVENTS WITH FEWER THAN 80 ATTENDEES SHALL BE LIMITED TO ONE PER DAY AND WE COULD CHANGE B TWO EVENTS WITH 80 OR MORE PRIMARY EVENT SHALL BE LIMITED TO 150 PER YEAR.

OR DO YOU WANNA SAY, DO YOU WANNA SAY THE THREE PER WEEK OR JUST 150 PER YEAR? I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO LIMIT TO THREE PER WEEK INSTEAD OF SAYING A, WE ARE REALLY GETTING CLOUDY HERE.

I MEAN IT'S, UH, WELL, HOW MANY? THREE THREE PER WEEK CAN YOU PUT A SLIDE UP AND HAVE WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO? THEY WANTED TO HAVE, UM, 80 ATTENDEES, ONE PER DAY AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE, UM, 150 EVENTS AT MORE THAN 150, MORE THAN EIGHT, MORE THAN 80.

MORE THAN 80, 150 PRIMARY EVENTS PER YEAR.

THEY DIDN'T CALL THEM PRIMARY EVENTS.

YOU JUST SAID 150 EVENTS AT MORE THAN 50.

MORE THAN 80, MORE THAN 50.

MORE THAN 80, RIGHT.

VERSUS 50.

AND LIMIT THAT TO, TO THREE PER WEEK.

AND 150 PER YEAR.

NOT TO EXCEED 150 PER YEAR, NOT TO EXCEED PER WEEK.

THERE THEIRS WAS LIKE 230 EVENTS PER YEAR.

80 PLUS 152.

THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING.

WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP, FOR THE EVENT FREQUENCY, WE WOULD KEEP A AND CHANGE IT FROM 50 TO 80.

FOR B WE WOULD SAY EVENTS WITH 80 OR MORE ATTENDEES.

LET'S GET RID OF PRIMARY EVENT, I THINK SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE PER WEEK.

NOT TO EXCEED 150 PER YEAR.

AND THEN I THINK WE WOULD GET RID OF C IS THE APPLICANT.

HERE, I THINK WE GOT, ALL RIGHT.

I THINK WE GOT 10.

CONDITION NUMBER 11, PLEASE.

UM, AND THEIR REQUEST OF THE, UH, EXPANDED HOURS OF 11, THAT REFLECTS THEIR REQUEST FOR THE IN INDOOR ONLY, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

, WE'RE, WE'RE APPROVING THAT.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS YES.

ON 11 AND WE GO TO 13, PLEASE BACK UP.

ONE.

WE HAD THE AMPLIFIED MUSIC.

13.

AND UM, AND THAT REFLECTS THEIR REQUEST.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.

AND THEN, UH, 16 I BELIEVE WAS THE FIREWORKS REQUEST AND I RECOMMEND WE LEAVE THAT AS IT IS.

I THINK WE, ONCE WE LEFT THAT HOUSE UNDER BARN, EVERYBODY'S GONNA WANT TO, AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT BE INVOLVED IN TRYING TO REGULATE FIREWORKS IN THE COUNTY.

ARE WE MAKING A VOTE? THE, SO I GUESS FIREWORKS WERE, WERE SHARED WITH THE, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY.

IS THAT CORRECT? AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, I MEAN, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS SO INCLINED, WE DID PREPARE SOME LANGUAGE.

IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS INCLINED TO SUPPORT FIREWORKS, WE COULD SHOW THAT TO THE COMMISSION IF THAT'S DESIRABLE.

NO, I THINK WE'LL LET THEM DO IT.

WE'LL HAVE TO LET EVERYBODY ELSE COME AND APPLY FOR, OKAY, HERE WE ARE.

EVERYBODY, BOTH OF THOSE.

TOM, WOULD YOU GO OVER THAT PLEASE? UM, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WERE DECLINED, UM, ONE, A CONDITION COULD BE ADDED.

THE FIREWORKS MAY BE ALLOWED WITH APPROVAL OF PERMIT PERMIT, UH, APPROVED BY THE FIRE OFFICIAL AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATION GRANTED PURSU TO SECTION SIX 70, UM, AND, AND OTHERS OF THE UCHIN COUNTY CODE.

AND IF SO, THE APPLICANT MUST COMPLY WITH ALL CONDITIONS OF THE PERMIT.

UM, SHELL, SHELL SHALL BE LIMITED TO A DIAMETER 1.62 INCHES.

UM, FURTHERMORE, THE COMMISSION CAN LIMIT THE NUMBER OF TIMES THEY HAVE FIREWORKS THAT'S NOT HERE.

THAT WOULD BE THE, UM, THAT MIGHT BE AN ADDENDUM TO THIS COMMISSION ON THAT.

GIVING IT TO THE COUNTY TO REGULATE OUTSIDE OF THE CEP.

SAY THAT AGAIN? GIVING THE PARTICULARS TO THE COUNTY TO REGULATE IT.

WE STILL HAVE TO GET THE PERMIT WITH MR. DAVIES AND HAVE THE DISPLAY OF FIREWORKS.

YEAH, BUT THEY'RE ASKING FOR 15 YEAR APPROVAL AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE FIRST FIREWORK SHOW.

IT'D BE KIND OF HARD STOMACH.

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I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO END DATE TO COUNTY WITH REQUEST FOR FIREWORKS IF WE APPROVE THIS.

OF ALL THESE OTHER VE ARE, ARE FIREWORKS ALLOWED IN THE COUNTY ON, ON PRIVATE PROPERTIES? I MEAN, THEY'RE ALLOWED YES.

WITH A FIRE FIREWORKS PERMIT.

THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE THAN YOU OR I WANTING TO HAVE A FIREWORK SHOW AT OUR HOUSE.

I MEAN, I, I I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE REQUEST OF FIREWORK.

I MEAN, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAS HAD NOT REQUEST, HAS NOT HAD REQUESTS FOR FIREWORKS.

THINK THE BOY SCOUTS HAVE DONE IT BEFORE.

HAVE YOU HAD ANY REQUESTS FOR FROM FILE? TOM AND TOM, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO GO BACK TO YOUR SLIDE WITH THE OTHER EVENT VENUES BE TO SEE IF THAT THAT WAS A CONDITION ON THERE.

QUESTION HAVE, HAVE, DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS A YEAR FOR FIREWORKS? WE DO GET APPLICATIONS FOR FIREWORKS.

UM, GENERALLY IT'S FOR 4TH OF JULY.

UM, HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATIONS, IT'S SPECIAL EVENTS USUALLY.

UM, WE DO COUNTY PROFIT COUNTY SPONSORS TO THAT.

NOT ALL OF THEM.

WE DO HAVE SOME THAT ARE, ARE PRIVATE, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO, IT'S NOT A CHEAP VENTURE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PYRO TECHNICIAN THAT'S CERTIFIED BY THE STATE, BY STATE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.

THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL THE CRITERIA FOR FIREWORKS.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S POCKET MONEY TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN.

UM, FOR EVENT VENUES LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, DOVER HALL, UM, ADAM SCHOOL, ANY, ANY OF THOSE OTHER VENUES, WE HAVE NOT ISSUED ANY FIREWORKS PERMITS FOR THOSE VENUES.

YOU HAVE NOT HAVE NOT, IN YOUR OPINION IS THIS, IS THIS LOCATION SAFE TO UNIONS POWER TECHNIQUES? IT'S TIGHT.

IT COULD BE DONE.

AND WE'VE DISCUSSED HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN SAFELY.

UM, BUT IT IS A TIGHT LOCATION.

UM, I MEAN, WE CAN, I CAN SAY YES, WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN SAFELY.

UH, BUT WITH FIREWORKS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BE A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT EVERY SHOOT'S GONNA BE PERFECT.

I'VE SEEN FAILURES AND EVENTS AND, UH, SO I, I CAN'T SIT HERE AND TELL YOU THAT YES, EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU LIGHT A FIREWORK OFF, IT'S GONNA BE SAFE.

IT'S GONNA BE PERFECT.

OKAY, SO WHAT LEAVE IT? I WOULD SAY YEAH, AMEND FOR PROVISION.

I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE HIM BE ABLE TO DO IT, BUT I DON'T WANT LET HIM, I DON'T WANT TO NOT HAVE A SAY ON IT FOR 15 YEARS.

I DON'T WANNA LIMIT ANY BUSINESS TO PRIORITIZE.

IS THERE, UH, MS. UH, STAFF, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THERE A WAY TO EXCLUDE FIREWORKS EITHER BEING PROHIBITED OR PERMITTED, UM, AND THEN IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND I GUESS THAT WOULD JUST BE BY, AND THEN IT WOULD, I GUESS IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE SHAKE OUT LOUD PROHIBITED.

YEAH, I THINK, I'M SORRY.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YEAH, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT MUDDIES THE WATER EVEN FURTHER.

I THINK WE, WE SHOULD, FOR THE TIME BEING, I THINK IT SHOULD BE PROHIBITED TO HAVE FIREWORKS WITH ALL THE OTHER CHANGES THAT WERE, WERE GRANTED.

THE BOARD CAN CHANGE IT.

THE BOARD? YEAH.

THE BOARD, THE BOARD CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE IT.

SO YOU'VE GOTTA APPROVE AS AMENDED.

AS AMENDED WITH THE HAVE TO HEAR THIS.

WE GOT TO 16, WE GOT TO 16.

SO FAR STAFF, STAFF WOULD OFFER ONE CHANGE IF TO, TO INCORPORATE THESE CHANGES INTO, CAN YOU GO TO 16, TODD? THANK YOU JACKSON.

UM, FOR THEIR SITE PLAN, UM, OUR STANDARD LANGUAGE WHEN WE HAVE A NEW APPLICATION IS THAT THEY SHOULDN'T, LIKE IN, IN, IN THIS CASE SPECIFICALLY THE CAPACITY, UM, THEY SHOULD NOT, UM, BE ALLOWED TO EXPAND THEIR CAPACITY ABOVE 2 99 UNTIL THEY GET REVISED POD AND ANY OTHER PERMITTING THAT IS NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT NUMBER.

SO YOU JUMPED BACK TO, DID WE JUMP BACK TO NINE WOULD BE, SOUNDS LIKE IT.

CAN YOU GO TO NINE PLEASE? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TO NINE.

ADDRESSING NINE.

WAS THAT THE STAFF COMMENT ON? WELL, NO, THIS, THIS IS A NEW, I MEAN THIS IS A REFLECTION OF THE, IN INCREASING THE CAPACITY FROM TWO NINE TO 500.

WE, THE OLD POD WOULD NOT BE VALID.

THEY WOULD NEED TO UPDATE THAT POD AND ANY OTHER PERMITTING THAT IS NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT LARGER NUMBER.

SO WE CAN ADD LANGUAGE WITH UPDATED AND

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APPROVED POD.

SO NOW WE'RE BACK AT NINE.

CAN YOU GO TO NUMBER NINE, PLEASE? WE'RE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE THE, THE CAP.

THE, THEY ALREADY, THEY ALREADY CHANGED IT TO 500.

BUT NOW YOU'VE SAID THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OPERATE, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HOLD, INCREASE THEIR CAPACITY FROM 2 99 TO 500 UNTIL THEIR PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT AND ANY OTHER PERMITTING IS APPROVED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT HIGHER CAPACITY, EVEN IF IT'S OUTDOOR.

I MEAN THEY, AS LONG AS THEIR CAPACITY LIMITS 2 99, THEY HAVE, THEY COULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEIR PD IS APPROVED FOR.

BUT, AND THEIR BILL PLANNING COMMISSION IS MAKING A MOTION TO CHANGE IT TO 500.

CORRECT? RIGHT.

THANK YOU MS. JACKSON EXPIRATION.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE NUMBER NINE, LET'S SAY A MAXIMUM OF 500 GUESTS MAY BE PRESENT AT ANY CUP ACTIVITY PROVIDED ANY EVENT OVER 299 SHALL NOT OCCUR UNTIL A REVISED POD IS APPROVED.

IS THAT WHAT THAT'S EXACTLY WAS RECOMMENDING? MM-HMM.

CAN YOU, UM, PLEASE GO TO CONDITION 19 OR THANKS? YEAH, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE STAY WITH 10 FOR THE TIME BEING AS THE MAJORITY OF THE OTHER, UH, FACILITIES HAVE, CONSIDERING ALL THE OTHER, UH, EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE BEEN THAT HAD BEEN, UH, PRESENTED.

I SUPPORT THAT.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE, UM, AS AMENDED AND THE AMENDMENTS ARE ONLY TO CONDITION NINE.

THE LIMIT ON GUESS TO THE 500, THE CONDITION WE JUST READ PROVIDED EVENTS EXCEEDING 299 GUESS SHALL NOT OCCUR UNTIL A PLANNER OF DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED.

AND THEN 10 EVENT FREQUENCY WILL BE HOW WE READ IT EARLIER.

THERE WERE MM-HMM NO CHANGES TO THE LIGHTING THAT WAS ADDRESSED OR THE FIREWORKS OR THE EXPIRATION.

MR. JACKSON, CAN I ASK FOR SOME CLARITY JUST REAL QUICK? YES.

THE POD REFERENCE YOU HAVE THAT, UM, I THINK MR. COLEMAN WAS TRYING TO AMEND CONDITION TWO THAT SAYS THAT THEY MUST COMPLY TO THE EXISTING POD.

UM, WE WERE HOPING TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO BE, UH, UNTIL, UM, NO ADDITIONAL, UH, THE AMENDMENTS CANNOT BE MOVED FORWARD TILL A NEW POD HAS BEEN.

UM, HOWEVER WE DO IT, THE CHP ACTIVITIES CANNOT OCCUR UNTIL A-A-P-O-D HAS BEEN, UM, APPROVED.

UM, ALSO NUMBER THREE LOCKS THEM IN AT 75 PARKING SPACES, UH, WITH THE INCREASE IN, UM, ALLOWED GUESTS BY.

UM, THEN THAT WOULD ALSO PROBABLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE POD.

SO I, I WOULD SAY MAYBE STRIKE, UM, 13 OR I MEAN NOT 13 THREE OR SOMEHOW SAY THAT, THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE INCREASED AND WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT BETWEEN TIMES, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT THE ULTIMATE THING WOULD BE.

BUT AS IT STANDS NOW, THEY'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE 75 SPACES.

THAT'S PROBABLY OKAY.

I'M, I'M THINKING .

SO FOR THREE AND FOUR CONDITIONS, THREE AND FOUR, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THEY CAN PROCEED AS THEY'RE OPERATING NOW FOR EVENTS UP TO 299 PEOPLE.

SO WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO ADD A SECOND SENTENCE TO EACH THREE.

I'M SORRY, NOT THREE AND FOUR.

TWO AND THREE CONDITIONS.

TWO AND THREE UNTIL POD IS APPROVED TO REFLECT THE INCREASE FOR EVENTS.

I THINK 500 THEY PART, WELL, THEY COULD ONLY GO UP TO FIVE.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO YEAH.

SO TWO SITE PLAN IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE COP ACTIVITY UP TO 299 GUESS SHALL CONFORM TO THE SITE OR, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THEY'LL GET A WHOLE NEW POD TO COVER OVER, BUT THEY STILL NEED TO KEEP OPERATING HOW THEY ARE.

THERE'S NO, NO INTENT TO STOP THEM ING ANY EVENTS EXCEEDING 299 GUESS.

UM,

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HELP ME OUT.

, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PARKING? I'M, I'M ON NUMBER TWO, LIKE A SECOND SENTENCE FOR TO, SO, UM, SOME OF THE, THE PAST, AND I KIND OF WAS STUMBLING WHEN I WAS SAYING IT, BUT IT BASICALLY CAN GO BACK TO JUST OUR STANDARD THAT, UM, NO, UM, CU UM, CUP ACTIVITIES, UM, APPROVED IN ADDITION TO, OR LIKE THE, AS AMENDED OR EXCEEDING TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE TWO YEAH.

MAYBE EXCEEDING 2 9 99.

'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S, THEY'RE LOCKED IN SOD.

THAT'S GOOD.

THAT WOULD BE THE, THE FIRST SENTENCE WOULD STAY FOR ACTIVITIES UP TO 299 AND THEN NO CUP ACTIVITY FOR GUESTS EXCEEDING 299 SHALL OCCUR UNTIL, THAT'S OUR STANDARD, OUR NEW POD MM-HMM.

AND OTHER PERMITS.

OUR STANDARD ONE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE IN FULL HERE, UM, BUT THEY CAN KEEP OPERATING AS THEY ARE, BUT IN ORDER TO GO ABOVE 2 99, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A NEW POD APPROVED.

WHAT FOR PARKING PURPOSES? YEAH.

AND ANYTHING ELSE? AND I THINK WE WOULD ADD THE SAME SENTENCE TO NUMBER THREE.

FOR, FOR NUMBER THREE YOU COULD SAY YOU COULD ADD A SENTENCE OR AS APPROVED WITH A REVIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

WELL, WE SAY A MINIMUM THAT'S MINIMUM OF SEVEN FIVE.

SO IT COULD STAY A MINIMUM OF 75, BUT IT COULD BE MORE THE PD THAT'S GOOD POINT.

THAT IS A GOOD POINT.

IT WAS MORE PARKING THAN THE OTHER FACILITIES.

BUT YEAH.

AND THEY SAID THEY CONTRACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE BUST IN MM-HMM.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS COULD BE CLARIFIED BETWEEN HERE AND THE BOARD.

UM, WE, WE COULD ACTUALLY WORK THE NUMBERS AND, OKAY.

IF WE CAPTURE THE INTENT OF THE COMMISSION, WE CAN WORDSMITH IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT, UM, A MOTION HERE WITH AMENDMENTS TO CONDITION TWO FOR THE SITE PLAN FOR A NEW SITE PLAN FOR EVENTS OVER 299 AND WE'LL GET THAT LANGUAGE ADDED BEFORE THIS GOES TO THE BOARD.

AND FOR THE LIMIT ON GUESTS TO INCREASE TO THE 500 THAT WAS CONDITION NINE.

AND THEN FOR THE EVENT FREQUENCY ON CONDITION 10, THOSE THREE EDITS.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE, UH, MOTION AGAIN? I THINK, I THINK WE GOT IT APPROVED AS AMENDED.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, AS AMENDED.

I MOVE TO THE COMMISSION, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU 2 2 4 0 0 0 0 1 FOR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACED AT 24 21 RIVER ROAD WEST, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS THAT, UH, MRS. JACKSON, UH, MENTIONED AND WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF TO CLARIFY, UM, PRIOR TO THE MEETING OF THE BOARD.

SECOND.

THIS IS 10 YEARS.

10 YEARS TO, TO RESTATE THAT.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

ONE APPLICATION BY SYDNEY AND SYDNEY DEVELOPMENTS LLC REQUESTING TO REZONE 55.414 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS TO ALLOW FOR A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AT THE INTERSECTION OF GREENBRIAR BRANCH DRIVE AND GLEBE ROAD ON TAX BUMP NUMBERS 43 26 1 43 26, 2 43 26, 3 43 26, 4 43, 26 5 AND 43 26 6.

MOTION CARRIED.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

MS. JACKSON AMENDMENTS THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A FIVE OH VOTE.

THIS CASE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON MARCH 5TH, 2024 WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THIS APPLICATION WILL BE HEARD ON MARCH 5TH DUE TO THE STATUS OF THE APPLICATION WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DATE CHANGED.

OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS IN DISTRICT THREE, RZ 2024.

[4. District 3 - RZ-2024-00001 Application by Sidney & Sidney Developments, LLC requesting to rezone 55.414 acres from Agricultural, Limited (A-2) to Residential Limited (R-1) with proffered conditions, to allow for a residential subdivision at the intersection of Greenbriar Branch Drive and Glebe Road on Tax Map Nos. 43-26-0-1-0, 43-26-0-2-0, 43-26-0-3-0, 43-26-0-4-0, 43-26-0-5-0, and 43-26-0-6-0. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Single Family Residential.]

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THANK YOU, MS. MARKER.

UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS RAY CASH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

UH, AS REFERENCED, WE DO HAVE A REZONING REQUEST, UH, BEFORE YOU FOR, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THE PROPOSED ZONING IS FOR RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE, UM, WHICH DOES, UM, AND THEN THE CONFERENCE PLAN DESIGNATE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT.

UM, THE VICINITY MAP, AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS LOCATED, UM, GENERALLY, UH, CLOSE TO WHERE WE ARE.

I COULDN'T THROW A ROCK THAT FAR, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.

UM, THE GREEN BAY RANCH, UM, DRIVE IS WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND THE AERIAL PHOTOS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE AREAS GENERALLY UNDEVELOPED.

THERE IS A GLEE ROAD THAT IS, DOES SHOW TO BE THERE.

IT'S NOT, IT'S A UNIMPROVED RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, THE CURRENT PROPERTY IS ZONED A TWO GENERALLY AROUND.

UM, THE UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT CAME FORWARD, UM, LAST YEAR FOR

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THE COURTHOUSE AREA, YOU END UP WITH NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL THAT'S LOCATED TO THE WEST.

THIS AREA IS NOW DESIGNATED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

UM, AND SURROUNDING AREA THEN IS ALSO THE INSTITUTIONAL USES OF, UM, GOVERNMENT FACILITIES AS WELL AS JAY SERGEANT REYNOLDS OR WHATEVER REYNOLDS COLLEGE NOW.

UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES MAKE THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

UH, THAT TRANSLATES TO A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED USES AT LESS THAN TWO UNITS AN ACRE.

UM, THAT PROVIDES THIS PROPOSAL DOES PROVIDE FOR LOTS AND DENSITY AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLAN.

UM, THERE'S ANOTHER, UM, PART OF THE PLAN THAT REALLY RECOMMENDS FUTURE TRAILS WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS.

UH, GENERALLY THE CREEK BEHIND THE COURT, UM, EXISTING OLD COURTHOUSE AREA ALONG THAT CREEK LINE, THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED AN EASEMENT, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AND CONNECTIONS TO THEIR INTERNAL TRAIL.

UH, JASON NEARBY PROPERTY IS GENERALLY THE SAME AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND AS I MENTIONED, EXCEPT FOR THE AREA THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK, THAT'S NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.

UM, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD BACK IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR.

UM, COMMENTS REALLY PROVIDED, UH, RELATED TO IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES, IMPACTS ON ROADS, CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY, LAND CLEARING, UM, INTEREST IN WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING WAS OFFERED.

UM, CONCERN ABOUT PUBLIC WATER WASTEWATER AND OF COURSE THAT IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING WELLS.

THE RESULTS THERE IS AN ONSITE, UH, ON SITE, UH, GRAVES.

UM, SO THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT PROTECTION OF THAT.

AND, UH, ESTIMATED VALUE OF NEW HOMES.

WE HAVE SEEN, UH, RECEIVED 12 MESSAGES RELATED TO THIS CASE.

UH, SITTING COMMENTS ARE GENERALLY WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THERE IS CONCERN.

UH, I WOULD SAY THE PRIMARY CONCERN REALLY COMES IN PUBLIC WATER AND WASTEWATER AND THE IMPACT ON ADJACENT UM, WELLS.

UM, AS I TALK ABOUT THROUGH THE PROFFERS, WE'LL ADDRESS HOW SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

UM, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S GREENBRIAR BRANCH DRIVE UP IN THIS CORNER HERE.

UM, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN, UH, IT'S BEEN CLEARED UP THAT THERE IS THIS LITTLE TRIANGLE HERE DOESN'T REALLY, UM, EXIST.

UM, THERE'S BEEN VACATION.

SO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY DOES HAVE FULL ACCESS HUB CARS, GLEE ROAD, GLEE ROAD, UM, AS I MENTIONED IS SORT OF AN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, UM, UNIMPROVED.

AND SO WITH THE PROPOSAL THEY WILL BE BUILDING A FULL ROAD WITH CUL-DE-SACS AND THE LIKE.

UM, THERE IS PROPOSED HERE GENERALLY THE FIRE ASSIST TURN THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED ANYTIME WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT.

ACTUALLY IT'S UP HERE, RIGHT? UM, THERE'S ALSO, THIS IS THE UM, GRAVE SITE HERE AS PROPOSED.

THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE THE COMMON AREA AND A PARKING SPACE, UM, THAT WE TYPICALLY ASK FOR AT ANY OTHER TYPE OF CASE.

IT'S A REQUIREMENT.

UM, BMPS THERE IS THE WALKING TRAIL THAT'S GENERALLY BACK HERE IN THE AREA THAT'S REALLY FLOODPLAIN, UM, AND UH, AREAS WITH SOME SLOPE.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT A LOT OF THAT OPEN SPACE IS REALLY ENCUMBERED FOR THAT TYPE OF FEATURE.

UM, AND THEN THAT'S ALSO MAKES AN AMENITY THAT PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY UTILIZE FOR WALKING TRAILS AND THE LIKE, THERE IS A, UM, KEY PROFFER THAT CAME FORWARD WITH THIS.

UM, IN THE EVALUATION OF THIS CASE, UM, IT WOULD BE A, THAT THIS INCREASED IN DENSITY DID RAISE TO A LEVEL THAT IT WOULD'VE WARRANTED A UM, TURN LANE ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD THAT HAS BEEN PROFFERED BY THE APPLICANT.

AND THAT IS A LEFT TURN LANE, NOT A RIGHT TURN LANE.

ONLY A LEFT TURN LANE WAS WARRANTED AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED THAT IMPROVEMENT.

SO, UM, AS WE'VE SEEN WITH A LOT OF CASES, UM, RECENTLY, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED ELEVATIONS SO PEOPLE GET A GOOD FEEL OF WHAT THE HOUSES, UM, LOOK LIKE OR PROPOSE TO LOOK LIKE.

HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE MEANING OF COURSE WITH THIS CASE BECAUSE THERE IS ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT'S RELATED TO THAT.

SO THERE IS A MINIMUM FINISHED FLOOR, UM, OF 1600 FOR ONE STORY, 1900 FOR TWO STORY.

UM, THERE IS A VARIATION IN DESIGN TO PREVENT IDENTICAL UNIT SIDE BY SIDE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D ASSESS AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT.

WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU HAVE BUILT HERE? WHAT'S BUILT HERE? UM, COLORS, MATERIAL VARIATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD BE EVALUATED JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE MONOTONY AND DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT.

UM, ESPECIALLY OF A SMALLER NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU DON'T WANT EVERYTHING TO BE THE SAME.

UH, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO MIX IT UP SOMETIMES IN A SMALLER NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.

THERE IS, UM, ROOF MATERIALS AND UH, A PROVISION THAT VISIBLE FOUNDATIONS SHOULD BE BRICK STONERS AND UM, STONE VENEER.

UM, OTHERWISE FOR THE PROFFERS THERE IS A PROVISION THAT IT'S LIMITED TO THE 20 LOTS YOU SEE THERE.

UM, THIS AREA IS LOCATED ON GREENBRIAR BRANCH DRIVE, WHICH IS REALLY A ONE WAY WIN, A ONE WAY, ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT, UH, LOCAL ROAD.

UM, SO THERE IS, IT'S SUBJECT TO

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THE LIMITATIONS OF A MAXIMUM OF 49 LOTS.

UM, THERE I THINK, UH, THERE'S A TOTAL OF 23, UH, LOTS AVAILABLE.

THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO 20 ON THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH IS UM, WHAT STAFF WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND FIRE AS WELL.

UM, THEY PROFIT A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

THERE IS A PROVISION FOR PRESERVATION OF THE CEMETERY ON SITE.

ALSO THE PROVISION OF ACCESS.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS LOOKED FOR IN EVERY CASE.

IT'S ALSO A CODE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE, UM, PRESERVATION OF SUCH FACILITIES.

UM, LEFT TURN LANE ON FAIR GROUND ROAD, UH, ELEVATION AS WE MENTIONED, THERE IS A CONSTRUCTION HOUR LIMITATION OF 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.

UM, AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS, HAS OFFERED THE FULL CASH PROFFER.

UM, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT KIND OF ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT OF THE POTENTIAL THE WATER AND SEWER TYPE OF, UM, IMPACTS THERE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT THE LINE WOULD HAVE TO COME, UH, DIFFERENT FROM DIFFERENT AREAS THAT ALSO IS CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, EASEMENTS THAT THEY'RE CROSSING.

UM, I KNOW DURING THE DISCUSSIONS AND EVALUATION OF THIS, THERE'S ALSO CONCERN ABOUT, UM, FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE OF RUNNING THE LINE, YOU'RE ONLY SERVING 20 LOTS AND THE IMPACT OF THAT, UM, ASSESSMENT AS FAR AS THE QUALITY OF THAT LINE.

AND YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE LINE LOCATION AND RUNNING OF THAT, YOU'D ALSO WANNA ENCOURAGE IT BE RUN IN A CERTAIN WAY THAT YOU ENCOURAGE MULTIPLE USERS AND THE LIKE.

UM, BUT I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CAPACITY AS WELL FOR THIS TYPE OF, UM, BRINGING THE LINES DOWN THERE.

UM, THE APPLICANT AND THE COUNTY OF HAD DID NOT MOVE FORWARD, UM, REALLY TO PROCEED TO START DOING THOSE FURTHER EVALUATIONS ON, UM, CAPACITY AND THE LIKE AT THIS POINT.

UM, SO STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I'LL TRY MY BEST.

WHAT'S THE AVERAGE LOCK SIZE? OH, I CAN'T REMEMBER TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.

I THINK IT'S AT LEAST TWO ACRE OR TWO AC AND A HALF ACRE AND ACRE AND A HALF AC.

AND SO R ONE REQUIRES SB LEAST OVER AN ACRE HALF WITHOUT HAVING PUBLIC UTILITIES.

THE LAST STATEMENT YOU MADE ABOUT THE WATER, THE COUNTY WATER TO SERVE 20 OF WATER QUALITY.

AND THAT WOULD NOT BE, WELL WHAT YOU END UP IS YOU'D HAVE A LINE AT THE END OF A LONG RUN AND YOU'D ONLY HAVE LIMITED USE OF THAT FACILITY.

SO IT'S WATER THAT DOESN'T GET TURNED OVER.

IT'S NOT REALLY A COMMON ISSUE THAT, THAT YOU CAN DEAL WITH.

YOU KNOW, FOR THAT ALSO THE EVALUATION SHOULD THAT WE ACTUALLY GET THE WATER CAPACITY, BUT ALSO THE SYSTEM WOULD GO AWAY.

WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE FIRE HYDRANT.

SO IT'S A LOT OF OTHER TYPE PRESSURE THINGS YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN THAT OCCURS, UM, FOR THAT.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT CAN BE ADDRESSED.

THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN RUN THE WATER.

THERE'S DIFFERENT WAY YOU'D HAVE YOU SORT OF CREATE A LOOP AND THINGS LIKE THIS.

NOW EVERYBODY'S STARTING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT OF HIS EXPERTISE HERE.

UM, BUT TYPICALLY IF YOU HAVE A LINE, IT'S SORT OF, SORT OF AT THE END, UM, WITH A LOT, NOT A LOT OF STIRRING.

UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS LET'S SAY THREE HOUSES SHOW UP AND IT'S ANOTHER TWO OR THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT THAT OCCURS.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CONSIDERATION.

THAT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE.

'CAUSE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THEY CAN ADDRESS THAT OR ENCOURAGE THAT.

YOU CAN ADD MORE PROPERTIES TO THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND I'VE ASKED, UM, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE TO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

'CAUSE THEY'VE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN FULLY.

YES SIR.

I'M NOT SURE WHETHER YOU SEE IT OR NOT, THAT THERE, THERE IS A PLAN TO BRING PUBLIC WATER TO THE THERE.

NO, THERE IS NOT A PLAN FOR PUBLIC WATER AND SARAH, RIGHT? YEAH, THERE HAD BEEN DISCUSSIONS BUT UH, NEVER PROCEEDED FURTHER BEYOND THAT.

SO NO WATER, NO SEAL, UH, WELL THERE'S WELL AND SEPTIC.

WELL TIC IT'S A DIFFERENT VERSION.

IT'S NOT THE PUBLIC KIND.

THE KIND OF DARK YELLOW THAT WOULD BE OPEN SPACE.

ANY QUESTION? NO, THANK YOU.

MM-HMM .

I WANNA BRING UP THEIR APPLICATION.

APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL.

AFTERNOON.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME WITH SHEM HOLMES.

UM, MIGHT HAVE TO ASK FOR A LITTLE GRACE.

MY, UH, COLLEAGUE WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO PRESENT HAD AN UNEXPECTED DEATH.

UH, SO MYSELF AND OUR ENGINEER STANDING IN FOR HIM.

SO WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN ON A SHORT NOTICE.

LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK THIS FANCY THING.

THERE WE GO.

SHERM HOLMES HAS BEEN AROUND, UH, SINCE 2001.

WE ARE A SMALL TO MEDIUM SIZED BUILDER.

WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT THAT.

UH, WE'RE IN MOST OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES.

UH, THIS IS KIND OF IN OUR WHEELHOUSE TO KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 20 TO 40 LOT NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THIS FITS RIGHT IN WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.

GREENBRIER STATES, HOW DO YOU GET THAT LITTLE RED THING THERE? THAT'S, THERE WE GO.

UM, SO WE'RE COMING IN ON THE SECTION TWO DOWN HERE AND THEN THE BACK TO THE LEFT SIDE OVER THERE WHERE YOU SEE

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HAVE NO INTENTIONS ON MESSING WITH ANY OF THAT.

THAT'S GONNA STAY THE RURAL TREE SECTION OVER THERE.

WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING THERE THAT THE, UM, THE PATH WILL ACTUALLY BE COMING THROUGH THAT, THAT I'LL SHOW YOU IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS.

LEMME COME BACK UP HERE.

SO, AS HE MENTIONED, TOTAL LOT NUMBERS, 20 LOT SIZE ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF.

UM, IN MOST ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN THAT RURAL NATURAL CHARACTER.

WE HAVE NO DESIRE TO COME IN HERE AND CLEAR CUT AND JUST TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN.

WE WANNA KEEP IT AS WHAT THE WAY IT IS NOW, THE BEST WE CAN, UH, WITH THE DRAIN FIELDS IN THE HOMES, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO PUT THOSE IN, BUT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, WE WANNA LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.

UM, THE ACTIVE, UH, ACTIVATE THE OPEN SPACE AND WALKING TRAILS WOULD BE KIND OF UP IN THIS AREA WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT.

UM, AND I'LL SHOW YOU MORE OF THAT ON A SLIDE IN A FEW MOMENTS.

WE OF COURSE WILL, UM, DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO GIVE ACCESS TO THAT, TO DEED, GIVE EASEMENTS, WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO WHEN THAT COMES THROUGH, WE'LL CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS WHAT HE WAS JUST SPEAKING ABOUT A MOMENT AGO.

LET ME GO AHEAD TO THIS SLIDE.

THIS IS THE ONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

IF YOU SEE KIND OF THE GREEN LINE, YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, I'M SURE COMING UP.

THIS WOULD BE THE PORTION ON OUR SIDE HERE.

UM, NO BIG SURPRISE TO ANYONE.

I THINK THE, THE, THE COOL PART ABOUT THAT, THAT WE THINK AT LEAST IS THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY WALK FROM REED MARSH, UM, ALL THE WAY DOWN ON MAIN STREET THERE UP TO HICKORY, UM, AND, AND ON AROUND IT COME UP TO THE TOP SIDE THERE WITHOUT EVER TOUCHING A ROADWAY, WHICH IS KIND OF NEAT.

UM, BUT AGAIN, ON THIS PIECE HERE, WHATEVER'S REQUIRED OF US, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO STEP IN AND OFFER EASEMENTS AND DEEDS ON THAT PARCEL.

AND THEN I WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF STUFF GOING ON IN THE FRONT UP THERE ON FAIRGROUND ROAD.

WE WANNA DO OUR PART.

UM, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, WE WANNA OFFER, UM, TO WIDEN THAT FRONT SECTION.

AND AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, A LEFT TURN LANE TO COME INTO THAT SECTION, UM, AND POTENTIALLY HAVE THE THREE LANES GOING UP THERE, UM, ALONG THE FRONT OF THE ROAD.

AND THEN ON THE HOUSE SIZES, THIS IS SOME ELEVATIONS.

UM, TYPICALLY THE PRICE IN THIS RANGE FOR THOSE UM, HOUSES WOULD BE 5 75 TO 700.

THAT COULD VARY A LITTLE BIT.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, ACCORDING TO THE PROFFERS THAT WE HAVE IN THERE, IT'D BE THE BRICK AND DIFFERENT VARYING FOUNDATIONS.

AS HE MENTIONED EARLIER.

WE HAVE NO DESIRE FOR ANY HOME TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

I WANNA MAKE IT KIND OF LOOK, UH, UNIQUE.

AND SO I GUESS WE'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS.

THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT A CEMETERY.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT? SHOULD I GO? HOW DO YOU GO BACK? WE GOTTA GET ONE OF THESE.

AND BY THE WAY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FIREWORKS COMING UP.

WOW.

GOD BLESS Y'ALL.

UM, LET'S SEE.

I FEEL LIKE I NEED SOME NOW THOUGH.

ALL RIGHT, COME ON.

SO THERE WE GO.

RIGHT IN THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S, THERE WE GO.

YOU CAN TELL I'M NOT THE TECHNOLOGY GUY, RIGHT? HERE'S THE CEMETERY.

YEP.

UM, THERE'S SOME COMMON AREA SPACE THERE.

WE WOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE OR TWO PARKING SPACES ALLOTTED FOR THAT.

UM, SO YOU COULD PARK ALONG THE SIDE THERE AND IT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE FOR THAT.

AND THE HOA WOULD BE, UH, MAINTAINING THAT GOING FORWARD.

THERE'S GONNA BE NO CHANGE TO THAT.

WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT.

IT'S GONNA STAY EXACTLY THE WAY.

IT'S PERFECT.

THAT WE WOULD'VE TO, THEY'D HAVE TO GET THE, WITH THEIR ENGINEER TO DETERMINE THAT.

YES SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTION? YOU ALL DID LOOK INTO DOING, BRINGING COUNTY WATER IN THERE? WE DID.

THAT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR THE ENGINEER.

WE, UH, WE LOOKED THEM AT A GREAT DEAL ACTUALLY, SIR ANDREW BROWNING, YOUNG BLOOD TO AND ASSOCIATES REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

SO YEAH, WE HAD INITIALLY THE, THE PLAN WAS TO BRING PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.

SEWER IS ACROSS COURTHOUSE CREEK AND COURTHOUSE COMMONS IN THAT SUBDIVISION.

IT RUNS ALONG THE, PROBABLY THE, THE FLOODPLAIN ON THE OUTSIDE OF, OR THE, YOU KNOW, JUST OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING THAT ACROSS COURTHOUSE CREEK, BUT IT'S RIGHT CURRENTLY IT'S WITHIN, UM, THE OPEN SPACE OF COURTHOUSE COMMONS AND THE, THE DEVELOPER OF COURTHOUSE COMMONS STILL OWNS THE OPEN SPACE.

SO THE HOA DOESN'T OWN IT, THE DEVELOPER OWNS IT.

WE'D HAVE TO GET AN EASEMENT FROM THE DEVELOPER WHO WOULD NOT WORK WITH US TO GIVE US AN EASEMENT TO CONNECT IT SO WE COULD NOT GET PUBLIC SEWER.

UH, PUBLIC WATER IS IN THE NORTHERN NORTH LINE OF FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.

SO UP ON TOP OF THE BANK OF, OF FAIRGROUNDS ROAD IN THAT AREA IS WHERE THE WATER LINE IS LOCATED.

UH, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS OF BRINGING THAT INTO THE SITE COUNTY STAFF.

UH, YOU KNOW, I ASKED PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE ENOUGH CAPACITY AND PRESSURE FOR THIS AND THE OTHER SUBDIVISION ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD THAT WE WERE WORKING ON? WE SO, YOU KNOW, WENT TO YOU GUYS PRIOR.

'CAUSE WE HAD SOME CHALLENGES WITH PRESSURE AND FLOW THERE.

UH, HIS RESPONSE IS HE DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS ENOUGH CAPACITY OR PRESSURE AND

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BUT UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, UH, WOULD PREFER THAT WE DID NOT CONNECT TO PUBLIC WATER DUE TO THE LENGTH OF THE EXTENSION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS FEW HOUSES.

IT WAS A BURDEN TO THE COUNTY TO MAINTAIN AND UPKEEP THE WATER FOR THOSE FEW HOUSES.

AND THE WATER COMES ALL THE WAY FROM THE WOMEN'S PRISON, COMES UP, SIX GOES DOWN, FAIRGROUNDS AND COME, I MEAN, UH, DOWN, YOU KNOW, 5 22 BACK DOWN FAIRGROUNDS.

SO WE'RE AT THE VERY END OF THE, OF THE WATER.

SO AS YOU GET TO THE VERY END OF THE LINE, YOU START RUNNING OUT OF PRESSURE AND IN CAPACITY.

AND SO THIS WOULD BE A EXTENSION OF A LONGER END, END THIS SUBDIVISION TO ANOTHER DEAD END.

SO THAT, THAT WAS, I THINK THAT IS THE CONCERN.

MAYBE THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THAT WOULD BE TO LOOP BACK INTO COURTHOUSE COMMONS AND YOU'D HAVE TO GET AN EASEMENT AND TRY TO TAKE IT BACK ACROSS THE CREEK.

AND IT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO DO IT.

IF YOU HAD A LOOP LIKE THAT.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BENEFIT THE OTHER PEOPLE IN, IN GREENBRIER? I MEAN YOU, THEY IT COULD, THEY COULD EXTEND IT FURTHER IN, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PROBABLY GREATLY HELP THE PRESSURE.

BUT YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH AND CROSS COURTHOUSE CREEK, GO UNDER THE CREEK AND GO BACK INTO COURTHOUSE COMMONS AND MAKE A LOOP.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GIVE EASEMENTS FOR THAT IF THE COUNTY EVER WANTED.

I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE A SUBSTANTIAL COST AND BURDEN TO TRY TO DO THAT.

I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE COUNTY'S MODEL IS ON THE WATER, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD, WOULD HELP PRESSURE IN ALL OF IT TO GET THAT LOOP, AT LEAST THE REDUNDANCY IN WATER TURNOVER.

SO IT, YOU KNOW, THE WATER'S, UH, IS NOT, DOESN'T BECOME STAGNANT IN THE LINES IT DOES TO SOME OF THE, TO TAIL ENDS OF THE LINES AND THEY HAVE TO FLUSH IT JUST TO KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, FROM BECOMING STAGNANT.

UM, SO, SO FROM, FROM YOU ALL'S STANDPOINT, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING IS, IS WHAT WORKS, WORKS ECONOMICALLY FOR YOU ALL AND FOR THE COUNTY AT THIS POINT? ABSOLUTELY.

WE, WE WENT TO THE COUNTY FIRST AND THAT THEY WERE, THAT'S THE WAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW IT, UH, RESOLVED INITIALLY.

I THINK THEY WERE HOPING TO GET MORE DENSITY HERE AND HAVE A DENSER PRODUCT WITH WATER AND SEWER.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE, AS THESE, UH, ISSUES CAME FORWARD, WE, THIS IS WHERE WE LANDED.

AND SO I THINK OUR, I THINK THE PROFFERS SHOW 20 LOTS, BUT WE, OUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS ONLY 19 LOTS.

THAT'S REALLY ALL WE COULD GET ON THERE AND WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DRAIN FIELD AND HOUSE LIGHTS.

AND SO IF YOU BACK INTO AN AVERAGE LOT, SO SOMEBODY ASKED THAT IT'S, I THINK IT WAS 1.68 ACRES IS WHAT I JUST CALCULATED IS THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE.

BUT THERE ARE SOME, THE MINIMUM IS ONE AND A HALF.

THERE ARE SOME LOTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, ONE AND A HALF ACRES.

IS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT GONNA HAVE ANY ISSUE PERMITTING MORE WELLS IN AN AREA WHERE THEY'RE SENDING WELLS ARE DRYING OUT? OBVIOUSLY WE RECEIVED A BUNCH OF EMAILS.

AND THAT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE, RIGHT? THAT'S ALWAYS COMES EVERY, ANY PROJECT THAT I HAVE THAT COMES UP WITH, WITH WELLS, THE ISSUE OF GROUNDWATER AND WELLS DRYING UP COMES UP.

AND QUITE HONESTLY, IT'S A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER BECAUSE I HAVEN'T FOUND ANYBODY THAT'S BEEN ABLE TO TELL ME HOW MUCH WATER IS DOWN THERE.

UH, I, I SPOKE TO A LOCAL, WELL DRILLER, I WON'T MENTION HIS NAME, AND HE'S, UH, DRILL WELLS HERE AND IN CLIFTON AND ASKED DID THEY HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, FINDING WATER? AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, SOME WELLS ARE DEEPER THAN OTHERS, SOME ARE SHALLOW, SOME ARE DEEP, SOME GOT MORE WATER, SOME GOT LESS WATER.

I EVEN ASKED HIM ABOUT FINDING, YOU KNOW, WATER AND HOW, WHAT THEY DID, IF THEY DID ANYTHING SPECIAL TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, FIND, UH, AQUIFERS.

THERE'S SOME, THERE IS A, THERE IS SOME PRACTICE YOU CAN DO.

THEY, THEY TRY TO LOOK FOR THE FRACTURES AND THEY USE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR AND OTHER THINGS TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHERE THERE ARE VOIDS IN THE ROCK.

AND WHERE THERE, WHERE THERE ARE THE VOID AREAS IS TYPICALLY WHERE THE WATER WOULD BE.

SO BASICALLY IT'S SAY, YOU KNOW, MR WELL DRILL OR DRILL HERE, YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE LIKELY TO HIT WATER.

BUT EVEN STILL, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WATER IS THERE AND, AND IT CHANGES.

GEOLOGY MAY CHANGE.

IF THERE'S A EARTHQUAKE OR SOMETHING THAT CHANGES THE ROCKS MOVE, IT CHANGES THE AQUIFER.

SO IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH THING TO FIGURE, UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY ACRE AND A HALF, TWO ACRE LOT SIZES IS COMMON.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF IN THE AREAS THAT ARE THAT SIZE WITH WELL AND SEPTIC AND YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS I KNOW WHY THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES.

BUT I KNOW THAT PEOPLE DRILL WELLS AND DON'T HIT WATER OR, OR HAVE ISSUES WITH, WITH WELL WATER.

THANKS MR. YES SIR.

UM, THERE'S A VERY, VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT HOUSES IN THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES ARE PROBABLY ACCESSING THE SAME AQUA.

THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

THE ONE THING IS FOR SURE, THE MORE PEOPLE ACCESSING THAT AQUIFER, THE THE QUICKER THE WATER'S GOING TO RUN OUT.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

, NO ONE KNOWS WHEN THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, RIGHT? YES SIR.

I WOULD AGREE.

YEAH, I WOULD AGREE TO THAT.

SO, SO THEY, SO I CAN SEE THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN, RIGHT? I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, REGARDING THE SOIL I GUESS HAVE, HAVE THERE BEEN PRELIMINARY SOIL TESTS PERFORMED? WE HAVE, WE HAVE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY SOIL WORK.

UM, I THINK IT'LL BE A MIX OF SOME ALTERNATIVE AND CONVENTIONAL SYSTEMS

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IN HERE.

BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THIS SIZE, IF WE CAN'T FIND A SUITABLE SITE WHEN WE GO TO DESIGN, THEN WE DON'T GET A LOT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'LL WORK FOR SEPTIC SYSTEM.

WE GOTTA GO TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND IF WE CAN'T GET IT APPROVED, THEN THEY JUST WON'T BE ABLE TO BUILD ON THAT LOT MOOT POINT ACTUALLY.

'CAUSE YOU CAN'T GET COUNTY WATER.

I WILL SAY ONE OTHER THING, I, I LOOKED AT, UH, UH, THE INTERSECTION YOU CAN GET ON VDOT SITE AND THEY HAVE LIKE CRASH DATA FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT ROADS IN THE COUNTY.

SO I LOOKED AT THE INTERSECTION OF GREENBRIAR BRANCH, I THINK IT IS IN, IN FAIRGROUNDS AND IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS IT SHOWED TWO ACCIDENTS AND ONE WAS A, A REAR END COLLISION AND THE OTHER WAS A SIDE SWIPE.

UH, BOTH GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION.

SO WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO TURN LEFT AND THE CAR GOING BY US RUNNING INTO 'EM OR HITTING THEM GOING BY.

SO THAT LEFT TURN LANE WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO THAT INTERSECTION.

IT WAS ALSO PART OF THE FAIRGROUND ROAD STUDY THAT WAS DONE RECOMMENDED THAT LEFT TURN LANE.

SO I, I DO THINK THAT WILL BE A BENEFIT TO THAT ENTRANCE.

UH, AS THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, WHAT KIND OF INSURANCE CAN YOU GIVE THE LOT OWNERS THAT WHEN THE LAST GUY BILLS, IT TAPS INTO HIS AQUIFER THAT IT DOESN'T, THAT HE HAS WATER OR THAT IT DOESN'T HURT THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE SUB DEVELOPMENT? I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S NO GUARANTEES, BUT STILL, UH, THIS IS NOT A DUE DILIGENCE OR SORT OF THE SITUATION.

I MEAN, YOU, YOU EITHER GOT IT OR YOU DON'T HAVE IT.

SO AGAIN, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE A LOT IF WE DIDN'T GET A WELL.

AND SO, I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE ANY INSURANCE.

UH, JUST SPEAKING TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE IN WESTERN GOLAND, THE LOTS ARE 20 ACRES AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF MY, I, THE, THE ONE I JUST DROVE DEAL FROM MY HOUSE DRILLED WAS 300 FEET AND I GOT LIKE 30 GALLONS A MINUTE.

I LIVED IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NEXT DOOR AT THAT.

AND I SOLD THAT HOUSE AND MOVED IN THAT HOUSE.

I, I WAS LIKE 600 FEET AND I HAD TWO GALLONS A MINUTE.

SO IT, IT IS, I DON'T KNOW THAT AS AN INSURANCE YOU CAN MAKE EXACTLY AN EXACT SCIENCE ON THAT UNFORTUNATELY.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

'CAUSE MY WELL IS 30 FEET FROM MY NEIGHBOR'S.

WELL AND I WAS THERE FIRST AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS. I GOT PLENTY OF WATER, BUT I KNOW THE AREAS IN THE COUNTY THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE WATER AND IT GETS TO BE A REAL PROBLEM AND IT GETS TO BE A FINANCIAL BURDEN TOO.

I MEAN YOUR PROPERTY'S WORTHLESS IF YOU DON'T HAVE WATER.

AND THERE, THERE ARE SEPARATIONS NOW ON BETWEEN WELLS AND DRAIN FIELDS AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORING LOTS, YOU KNOW WHERE THE HOUSE WILL BE PLACED AND WHERE THE DRAIN FIELD IS AND WHERE THE WELL IS.

THERE'S SEPARATIONS WE HAVE TO MEET AND GOING FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN AS WELL.

IF I'M BUYING A 700,000 PIECE OF PROPERTY IN A HOUSE, IF I'VE BOUGHT IT AND MOVED IN AND I DON'T HAVE WATER, I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND, BUT HE SAID HE CAN'T BUILD ON IT IF THERE'S NO WATER.

IF THEY CAN'T FIND WATER AND TO MEET THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S REQUIREMENT FOR THE, FOR THE FLOW AND WHAT THEY NEED FOR THE THE HOUSE, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET A OCCUPANCY PERMIT FOR IT.

SO YOU DRILL THE, FOR YOU BUILD .

I DON'T THINK THEY ALWAYS DO THAT.

I DIDN'T DRILL BEFORE I BUILDED MY LAST HOUSE I DRILLED AFTERWARDS AND TOOK A CHANCE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO YEAH.

YOU'RE QUITE COMMITTED AT THAT POINT.

RIGHT? WE WERE GONNA KEEP DRILLING OR KEEP GOING DEEPER.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK, THANK YOU.

WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR THE UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND I CAN READ THE NOTES LIGHT SO IT'S FLASHING.

YOU NEED TO CLOSE DOWN YOUR STEAL.

YOU WANT ME TO READ THE NOTES MR. KUCHAR? YEAH.

HAVE TO BE FILLED AND DIRT MOVES.

UM, SO CITIZENS ARE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO COMMENT ON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. WHEN YOU DO COME TO THE FRONT, YOU'LL WANNA STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

WHEN THE GREEN LIGHT COMES ON, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

WHEN THE YELLOW LIGHT COMES ON, YOU'LL HAVE 60 SECONDS REMAINING.

AND WHEN THE YELLOW LIGHT FLASHES CONTINUOUSLY, YOU'LL HAVE 30 SECONDS REMAINING.

WHEN THE RED LIGHT BLINKS, YOUR TIME WILL BE UP TRAFFIC.

OKAY, COME ON UP, DON'T RUSH.

MY NAME IS WARREN BRITTS.

I LIVE AT 25 25 BUCKNELL LANE.

UM, TWO OF THE LOCKS.

PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC.

OH, TWO OF THE LOTS PEOPLE AT HOME ARE WATCHING.

OH, OKAY.

UM, ANYWAY, MY NAME'S WARREN BRITS.

I LIVE AT 25 25 BUCKNELL LANE, TWO OF THE LOTS, UH, JOINED ONTO MY PROPERTY.

UM, THAT'S LOT.

43 26 0 3 OH AND 43, 26 0 4 OH IF, AND I QUESTIONED THIS AT A ZONING HEARING ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS OF THE TERRAIN ON THOSE LOTS.

I'VE ACTUALLY SENT A THING IN EARLIER IN THE WEEK SHOWING THE ELEVATIONS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THESE LOTS, IT'S ALL GULLIES AND HILLS.

THIS IS WHERE THE ROAD GOES.

IT'S A BIG RAVINE.

IT'LL TOTALLY

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SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PRESERVE THE FOREST AND LOTS TO PUT THE ROAD TO GET TREES THERE.

PLUS I HAVE A HOLDING POND ON EXHIBIT NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE IN THE CORNER, THIS HOLDING POND RIGHT HERE.

CRANES ALL THE WAY THROUGH, WHICH IS WHERE THEY PLAN ON BUILDING HOMES.

AND I WAS WHEN OUR SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE AS LANDOWNERS TO MAINTAIN THIS POND.

WELL IF THEY PUT A ROAD HERE AND COVER THAT, HOW IS THE DIRT GONNA SEEP OUT AND MAINTAIN THE PROPER WATER FLOW THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY AND ME AS A HOMEOWNER TO PROVIDE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE HILL GOING IN THE PROPERTY COMING OFF OF GLEAVE ROAD AT THE TOTAL HILL, THESE ARE TWO FOOT CONTOUR LINES.

IT'S STRAIGHT UP.

I DON'T EVEN THINK IF YOU GOT OFF GLEE ROAD YOU COULD WALK UP THE HILL.

SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF EARTH MOVING, A LOT OF TREES CLEARED.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WATER FLOW SEPTIC.

YOU GET RAINS LIKE WE'VE HAD JANUARY, DECEMBER.

SEPTIC FIELDS DON'T PERK REAL WELL.

YOU GOT ONE AND A HALF ACRE LOTS, IT'S GONNA BE REAL TIGHT TO HAVE WATER FLOW THAT'S SAFE WITHOUT IT GOING INTO THE STREAMS. THANK YOU.

COME UP, FOLLOW UP.

MY NAME IS SUSAN HECKLE.

I LIVE AT 25 25 BUCKNELL LANE AS WELL.

UM, I WANNA SPEAK TO THE CEMETERY.

UM, I WROTE A LETTER REGARDING MY CONCERNS AND FACTUAL INFORMATIONS REGARDING THAT CEMETERY.

UM, THERE'S ONLY ONE HEADSTONE.

UM, IT'S ADELAIDE MORRIS.

SHE WAS BURIED IN 1924.

THE REST ARE ONLY HEADSTONES, WHICH ARE ROCKS AND FOOT STONES.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS ARE IN THAT GRAVEYARD, BUT YOU WOULD NOT KNOW THAT GRAVEYARD'S THERE UNLESS YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S LOCATED.

UM, AND PRESERVING IT BY HAVING A BENCH AND ACCESS IS NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT A SIX FOOT FENCE BE PLACED AROUND THAT SO NO ONE CAN ENTER IT.

I'VE SEEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF RICHMOND WHERE UM, A SLAVE, SOME AS TERRY HAS BEEN DISRESPECTED AND STONES HAVE BEEN RE REMOVED.

AND THESE CITIZENS BELONG TO UCHIN COUNTY IN 1872.

UM, AND SO YOU CAN READ MY LETTER IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD LIKE, UM, THE BUILDERS TO PUT A FENCE AROUND IT TO PROTECT IT SO THEN NO ONE COULD GET IN.

IT IS THE, UH, PERIMETER OF THE CEMETERY CLEARLY DE NO IT IS NOT.

YOU GO, IT'S NOT DELINEATE DE YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY ALL THE GUYS I DO.

NO, I DO NOT.

BUT I CAN TAKE YOU AND SHOW YOU.

THERE MAY BE OTHERS THAT DON'T HAVE A HEADSTONE.

HMM.

THERE MAY BE OTHERS THAT DON'T HAVE A HEADSTONE.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

SOME OF THEM DO NOT HAVE FOOT STONES.

IT'S SACRED GROUND TO ME AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED.

THERE HAS TO BE LEFT OPEN FOR FOLKS TO VISIT.

NO ONE HAS VISITED.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH DESCENDANTS WHO DO NOT KNOW THAT THE GRAVEYARD IS THERE.

BUT I KNOW THAT THE GRAVEYARD'S THERE BECAUSE WE FOUND IT, AND UCHIN COUNTY KNOWS THE GRAVEYARDS THERE.

UM, BUT IF YOU DON'T PROTECT IT, PEOPLE WILL GO IN AND BE STOMPING ON GRAVES.

AND THAT CEMETERY IS ON THE APPLICANT'S LAND.

REAGAN DAVIDSON, 1895 GREENBRIER BRANCH DRIVE.

I, UH, I AM IN APPRECIATIVE OF THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.

I THINK THEY'RE GREAT FOR THIS.

HOWEVER, UM, I DO CONSTRUCTION FOR A LIVING.

THIS IS HOW I MAKE MY LIVING TOO BUILDING HOUSES.

BUT AS OF THE FOUR YEARS I'VE LIVED THERE, I'VE LOST WATER.

MY WELL HAS GONE DRY FOUR OR FIVE TIMES, MOST RECENTLY IN THE PAST MONTH, WHERE I HAD PROFESSIONALS COME OUT AND TELL ME I NEED TO DRILL A $20,000 SECONDARY.

WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO COME IN AND ROB OUR EXISTING RESOURCES TO BUILD MORE IF THE COUNTY IS UNABLE TO PROVIDE THE ADEQUATE RESOURCES, SUCH AS A WATER LINE THAT'S IN THE FACILITY VICINITY TO

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COVER THIS.

UM, WHICH WOULD ALSO HELP WITH FIRE AND RESCUE AND ALL THAT AS WELL.

UM, AND I ALSO DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE STORM WATER RETENTION BASINS TO STORE WATER FOR FIRE HYDRANTS, FOR DRY HYDRANTS, BECAUSE IT'LL INCREASE THE RISK OF PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL.

KIDS PLAYING IN IT, PEOPLE GETTING HURT, AS WELL AS IF YOU HAVE A DRY SEASON, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND WATER TO FILL THESE BASINS AND WHICH PUTS MORE TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD OF GREENBRIER BRANCH.

UM, I WAS AT THE COUNTY OR THE HEARING, NOT HEARING OR PUBLIC COMMENTS OR WHATEVER.

AND, UM, THERE WAS ALSO, I QUESTIONED THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CURRENT ROAD BECAUSE IT IS NOT SET UP TO HANDLE THAT KIND OF CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT RIGHT NOW.

IT WILL FAIL.

UM, I SAY THIS AS A BUILDER WHO HAS FAILED ROADS BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION, SO I SEE IT.

UM, AND THEY HAD NO PLAN ON RECONSTRUCTING THE EXISTING ROAD IF IT'S DAMAGED.

UM, BUT HOWEVER, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE WATER.

AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO ALLOW THE REZONING WITHOUT THE WATER LINE AND ROBBING US OF OUR RESOURCE THAT IS ALREADY IN LIMITED SUPPLY.

THANK YOU GUYS.

THANK IS YOUR CURRENT WELL, A BOARD WELL OR A DRILLED WELL DRILL? IT IS A DRILL, YES.

AND IT RECOVERS AT LIKE A QUARTER INCH PER MINUTE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL GALLON PER MINUTE ON YOUR WELL, WHEN IT WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED? I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE HOUSE.

I'M A SECOND OR THIRD OWNER ON THE HOUSE, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SIT THERE AND THROW $20,000 AT A HOMEOWNER TO START DRILLING WELLS, I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SECOND MORTGAGE MATERIAL THERE.

THAT'S BIG PROBLEMS. THANKS GUYS.

HELLO, MY NAME IS KAYLEE BOWENS.

I LIVE AT 9 2 3 NEWSOM COURT.

I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE HILL COMMUNITY THAT BUTTS UP WITH THE PROPERTY.

UM, I'M HERE REPRESENTING SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS ON NEWSOM COURT, AND WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WOODS BEHIND OUR HOUSE.

UM, NUMBER ONE, JUST THE FACT THAT THE TREES AND VEGETATION WILL BE REDUCED WILL GREATLY INCREASE THE CHANCES OF FLOODS.

AND, UM, RIGHT NOW FROM THE RAIN THAT WE'VE HAD, MY BACKYARD ALREADY HAS PUDDLES OF WATER IN IT.

MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD HAS PUDDLES OF WATER.

WE PAY FOR FLOOD INSURANCE IN, IN THAT AREA.

UM, AND I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT WITH, UM, THE DEFORESTATION, WE WILL HAVE NOTHING TO HOLD ONTO SOIL COVER.

UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EAST SIDE OF COURTHOUSE CREEK, IT IS BASICALLY A SWAMP.

IF YOU WALK BEHIND MY FENCE, YOU CAN GET MAYBE 10 FEET FROM MY FENCE BEFORE YOU START SINKING INTO THE MUD OUT THERE.

AND THEN ON THE WEST SIDE OF COURTHOUSE CREEK, AS THE OTHER GENTLEMAN MENTIONED, IT'S A VERY STEEP TERRAIN.

UM, LOOKING AT THE MAP FROM EARLIER, I'M REALLY NOT SURE HOW THE COUNTY WILL BE ABLE TO PUT THEIR WALKING TRAIL BASED ON WHERE THE HOUSES WILL BE, BECAUSE THAT AREA WHERE OUR, THE FUTURE WALKING TRAIL IS GOING TO BE, IT'S A MOUNTAIN.

I MEAN, IT'S, YOU, YOU WOULD GET WINDED WALKING UP IT.

SO I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THOSE PLANS WILL HAPPEN.

UM, IN ADDITION WITH THE WATER FLOW, IF COURTHOUSE CREEK FLOODS, ALL OF THAT SETTLEMENT WILL EVENTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE JAMES RIVER, WHICH WE PULL OUR WATER FROM.

UM, TO SPEAK TO THAT GENTLEMAN'S POINT, I LIVE IN VILLAGE HILL, AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOES OWN THE WATER RIGHTS.

UM, THE DEVELOPER GAVE US THE LAND BACK MAYBE A MONTH AGO, TWO MONTHS AGO, I THINK IT WAS IN JANUARY.

UM, I'M ALSO MEANT, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC ON FAIRGROUNDS, UM, AND THE FACT THAT THE, THAT AREA IS WETLANDS.

UM, SO I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT NATURE AND THE ANIMALS AND WHAT THAT TO ME IS WHAT GLAND MAKES GLAND.

UM, SO WE ALREADY HAVE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY.

THAT AREA IS VERY SMALL TO BEGIN WITH, AND IF WE TEAR IT OUT, UM, WE'RE JUST REALLY HURTING OUR GREEN SPACES IN GLAND.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

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UH, MY NAME IS ROBERT O'NEILL AND I LIVE AT 1844 GREENBRIER BRANCH DRIVE.

UM, FROM THE LOCATION WHERE THIS BUILDING IS BEING PROPOSED, WE'RE ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE TO THE EAST.

UM, MY HOUSE IS THE ONLY HOUSE THAT BACKED UP TO THE CLIFTON SUBDIVISION THAT WAS BUILT OFF OF MAIDENS ROAD.

AND WHEN THEY PUT IN THE CLIFTON SUBDIVISION, WE HAD THIS VERY PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE AQUIFER BEING ROBBED OF WATER OR HAVING SEPTIC ISSUES.

IMMEDIATELY AFTER CLIFTON WAS PUT IN, WE HAD TO HAVE ABOUT $10,000 WORTH OF WORK DONE ON OUR WELL WELL SYSTEM BECAUSE WE WERE PULLING SEDIMENT INTO THE WELL FOLLOWING THE EARTHQUAKE THAT WE HAD OUT HERE IN GLAND.

IF Y'ALL REMEMBER THAT SEVERAL YEARS BACK, THE FELLOW THAT LIVES BEHIND ME WHO DRILLED HIS WELL CLOSER TO MINE, HAS HAD TO GO BACK AND HAVE HIS SEPTIC REDONE THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.

HE'S GOT AN ENGINEERED SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPING UPHILL TO GET HIS STUFF TO PERK.

WELL, THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND US.

UM, I RECALL WHEN I FIRST MOVED OUT HERE IN 2001, I BELIEVE WE WERE OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE DISTRICT, UM, AREA THAT WAS DESIGNATED AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TWO, UH, ACRES OR MORE PER LOT.

NOW THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SECTION IS THE GREENBRIER, UH, BRANCH TWO SECTION OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WAS CREATED AND DESIGNATED WELL BEFORE THE VILLAGE PLAN, I GUESS EVEN EXISTED.

BUT NOW, UH, IT IS BEEN ALLOWED TO BRING IN A PROPOSAL, UH, WITH THIS DEVELOPER FOR A A ACRE AND A HALF LOTS.

SO IT WAS, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS EVER INTENDED WHEN GREENBRIER BRANCH WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE SMALLER LOTS THAN WHAT'S IN GREENBRIER BRANCH.

UH, THE FIRST PHASE WHERE WE LIVE IN IT, SO IT SORT OF DIMINISHED.

WE WERE DISAPPOINTED WHEN WE SAW SOME OF THE SIZES OF THE HOUSES.

UH, I ACTUALLY HAVE THE SMALLEST HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO Y'ALL KEEP PULLING THOSE PROPERTY VALUES UP, BUT THE PROPERTIES THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING ARE 500 TO 750 SQUARE FEET LESS THAN THE REST OF THE HOMES THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SOMETIMES AS MUCH AS A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET LESS.

SO I'M GLAD I GOT MINE WHEN I GOT IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO STAY THERE AND HAVE WATER FOR THE REST OF MY TIME.

AND I'M CONCERNED THAT I'M GONNA BE LIKE THE GENTLEMAN JUST SPOKE AGAIN.

I'M HAVE TO VISIT WITH THE WELL GUY AGAIN TO GET ANOTHER WELL DRILLED IF I, IF I LOSE, UH, WATER OUT OF THE BACK.

AND JUST DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THIS.

THERE WAS ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS BOXED IN BY THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN CLIFTON THAT WAS LANDLOCKED.

AND THERE WAS SOME, I GUESS SOME PROFFERS MADE AND SOME DEALS CUT TO ALLOW THEM TO SELL THAT, I GUESS THIS 20 ACRE PIECE OF LANDLOCKED LAND AND PUT FIVE OR SIX MORE HOMES BACK IN THERE.

SO THAT AQUIFER, EVERYBODY ASSUMED THAT IT WAS NEVER GONNA BE PULLED FROM, UH, BACK IN THERE BY AN ADDITIONAL FIVE OR 10 HOUSES.

BUT NOW WE'VE GOT FIVE OR 10 THAT WERE ALREADY PUT IN THERE AND WE'RE ASKING FOR 20 MORE.

AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS ARE GONNA BE AT A DEFICIT FOR WATER.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? UH, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, I WANT YOU SITTING THE FRONT RIGHT THAT WAY YOU CAN.

THROUGH DISTURBING THE SOIL.

SPEED IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

HELLO, MY NAME'S EUGENE BRYCE.

I LIVE AT 1896 GREENBRIAR BRANCH DRIVE.

UM, I HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME CONCERNS AS THE REST OF MY NEIGHBORS WITH THE WATER TABLE.

I ALSO HAVE ANCESTRAL TIES TO THE ACTUAL CEMETERY THAT'S ON THE LOT.

UM, GREAT, GREAT GRANDPARENTS ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOW GREENBRIAR ESTATES AND EVENTUALLY SOLD OFF SOME PIECES OF IT.

AND I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO MOVE BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON SOME ANCESTRAL PROPERTY AND BUILD A HOME AND LIVE IN GOLAND.

UM, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO AFFECT US.

THE WATER TABLE WILL CHANGE.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH WATER IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY.

ADDING 20 MORE HOMES IS GONNA CREATE A BIGGER PROBLEM.

20 MORE CARS, MORE TRAFFIC, YOU NAME IT.

THERE'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS A PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD.

THERE'S SMALL CHILDREN ON THIS ROAD.

THERE'S ALWAYS, UH, PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT THAT ARE NON-RESIDENTS ALREADY, SO I DON'T SEE THIS PROBLEM GETTING ANY BETTER.

THIS WILL ONLY GET WORSE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE.

UM, AS A RESIDENT, I'M AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS, UM, BUT MY ANCESTRAL TIES WITH THE CEMETERY.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE PROTECTED.

UM, IT DATES BACK, AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, HEADSTONES.

SO THE FEW THAT YOU SEE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO LOCATE, THAT'S THE ONES THAT YOU CAN FIND.

HOW WOULD YOU FIND THE REST OF THEM? THROUGH EXCAVATION, THROUGH DIGGING UP

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IT'S NO TELLING WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND.

UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

MY NAME'S SCOTT MCINNIS.

I LIVE AT 1874 GREENBRIER BRANCH DRIVE.

UM, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE BEEN HERE A WHILE.

I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN LISTENING TO US, SO I'LL KEEP MY COMMENTS SHORT.

MAINLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE ECHO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID.

I'M ACTUALLY IN A UNIQUE POSITION BECAUSE AS LIKE MR. BRITS, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SLIDE IS, BUT I AM GOING TO BUTT UP TO AT LEAST THREE, POSSIBLY FOUR OF THE PROPOSED LOTS.

UM, I'LL KEEP MY COMMENT SPECIFIC TO THE, WELL, I HAD TO TAKE MY WELL OVER 600 FEET TO BE A FUNCTIONAL.

WELL, YOU PUT THREE, FOUR, POSSIBLY EVEN FIVE DEPENDING ON HOW THAT COURT, THAT, UH, COURTYARD COMES OUT, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA LEACH OUT, WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO TO MY WATER, WHAT THAT'S GONNA PUT IN MY WATER, WHAT THAT'S GONNA PUT DOWN INTO THE WATER TABLE, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO TO, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TO THE TRAFFIC, AS EUGENE SAID, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, THAT ROAD'S GETTING BUSIER AND BUSIER, BUT NO HOMES ARE ON IT.

I THINK THIS IS ONLY GOING TO INCREASE THAT TRAFFIC.

I HAVE THREE CHILDREN ON MY OWN, ALL YOUNG, ALL WANNA GET DOWN ON THAT ROAD.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S DANGEROUS AS IT IS.

20 MORE HOMES.

I COULD NOT IMAGINE.

FAIRGROUND ROADS, AGAIN, THIS 20 PLUS, THE 40 THAT'S GOING IN ACROSS THE ROAD UP FROM THE ANIMAL SHELTER, REED MARSH TWO IS ALREADY STARTED.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT PROPOSED MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT OVER ON SCOTTS LANE.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW VDOT KEEPS COMING BACK.

OH, FAIRGROUND CAN TAKE IT, FAIRGROUND CAN TAKE IT, BUT AT SOME POINT THERE'S GONNA BE A BREAKING POINT AND I DON'T THINK THESE 20 HOUSES SHOULD BE PART OF THAT.

UM, AND AGAIN, I JUST WANNA REITERATE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS ALREADY SAID.

WE HAVE EXTREME, EXTREME CONCERNS ABOUT OUR WATER, SO I'LL BE LEFT WITH NOTHING.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

HELLO, SEAN SUTTON, 1864 AT GREENBRIAR BRANCH.

THANKS FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO, UH, COMMENT ON THE WELL WATER AS WELL.

I PURCHASED MY HOME WITH TWO WELLS ON THE PROPERTY.

I WAS LUCKY, UH, THE FIRST, WELL, THE ORIGINAL, WELL, THAT PUMP IS AT 280 FEET.

IT'S A VERY POOR PERFORMING.

WELL, SOMEONE WHO OWNED A HOME PRIOR TO ME DUG A SECOND WELL AT 420 FEET.

AND THE PUMP IN THAT ONE IS AT 380.

BOTH OF THOSE WELLS WILL RUN DRY.

WE DO ALTERNATE THEM.

IT'S JUST MY WIFE AND I AND, UH, ANY SIGNIFICANT USE ON THOSE WELLS, THEY WILL DRY TODAY.

I, I SWITCHED THEM.

BUT WE DO HAVE ONGOING WATER PROBLEMS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME SPECIFICS ON MY PARTICULAR SITUATION.

HOPE YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY GALLONS PER MINUTE YOU 1.25.

HOW DID YOU ON THE FRONT? WELL, THAT'S THE BETTER.

WELL, OF THE TWO, THE BACK WELL, IS POOR PERFORMING THAN THAT.

THE THREE 80 CORRECT.

IS LESS THAN 1.2.

ANYONE ELSE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS? UH, THANK YOU ANDREW BROWNING AGAIN.

UM, I'LL TRY TO ADDRESS, UH, TOUCH ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS.

UH, THE CEMETERY, WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED A BOUNDARY SURVEY YET.

WE HAVE PULLED SOME RESEARCH AND SOME DS AND PLATS.

IT DOES SHOW UP PLATTED ON A PLAT THAT THE CEMETERY'S THERE.

WE KNOW IT'S LOCATED THERE.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DETERMINE THE LIMITS OF THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER INSTANCES THAT I'VE COME ACROSS THIS, WE'VE DONE IT IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.

WE'VE HAD SOME GUYS COME OUT WITH GROUND PENETRATING RADAR AND THEY TRY TO DETERMINE WHERE IT'S BEEN EXCAVATED.

IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD GUYS COME OUT AND LIKE TAKE A, UH, MINI EXCAVATOR AND JUST SKIM OFF THE LAYER OF LEAVES AND STUFF.

AND YOU CAN TELL WHERE THE SOIL HAS BEEN DISTURBED.

BUT WE WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT, UH, CEMETERY WILL BE.

AND WE'RE GONNA COMMIT TO A PROFIT FOR THAT.

WE WILL PUT UP A FOUR FOOT ORNAMENTAL FENCE AROUND THAT CEMETERY.

UH, THE ONE LADY HAD SOME GREAT INFORMATION ABOUT THE, WHO WAS BURIED THERE.

YOU KNOW, WE MAYBE EVEN GET SOME INFORMATION AND PUT A NAME TO IT OR SOMETHING.

THE NAME, THE CEMETERY, AGAIN, IT'S GONNA BE IN COMMON AREA.

WE'LL HAVE, UH, ACCESS TO IT FROM THE ROAD AND SOME PARKING SPACES.

UM, SO WE HAVE, THERE IS SOME WETLANDS ON SITE.

WE, MOST OF THEM ARE LOCATED ALONG COURTHOUSE

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CREEK.

NONE OF THE LOTS WILL BE IN THE FLOODPLAIN OR THE WETLANDS ALONG COURTHOUSE CREEK.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER DRAINAGE DITCHES.

THE, UH, THE ONE GENTLEMAN SPOKE, I THINK THERE'S A PERMANENT BASIN IN THE BACK OF CLIFTON THAT DRAINS THROUGH A CHANNEL THAT GOES THROUGH THIS SITE.

UH, I THINK THE WAY THAT WE HAD IT PRELIMINARY LAID OUT, THAT KIND OF IS IN THE, IN THE FRONT OF SOME LOTS.

SO THE DRIVEWAYS WILL HAVE TO CROSS THAT DRAINAGE WAY OR THAT THEY'LL HAVE A CULVERT TO GET TO THE HOUSE WILL BE ON THE HILL ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FILL IN THAT CHANNEL.

IT'LL BE A CHANNEL THERE THAT I'M SURE IS PROBABLY JURISDICTIONAL BY THE ARMY CORPS.

SO WE MAY HAVE TO GET SOME PERMITS TO PUT DRIVEWAY CULVERTS IN, BUT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GO IN AND JUST BLOW OUT THAT WHOLE STREAM THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET A PERMIT FROM THE DEQ OR ARMY CORPS OR BE ABLE TO PAY THE MITIGATION IF, EVEN IF WE WERE TO GET A PERMIT FOR THAT.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.

WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO MEET STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR SITE.

OUR PRELIMINARY PLAN OR, OR CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWED A FEW AREAS WHERE WE WERE PROPOSING STORMWATER BASINS.

UM, THE WAY THE RULES ARE, YOU WANNA BRING THAT BACK UP, RIGHT? THE WAY THE RULES ARE NOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO REDUCE THE ACTUAL RUNOFF THAT LEAVES THE SITE TODAY BY 20 20%.

SO WHEN WE DO OUR STORMWATER ANALYSIS AND CALCULATIONS, IT'LL ACTUALLY BE 20% LESS RUNOFF COMING OFF THE SITE AFTER DEVELOPMENT THAN IT IS NOW.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THE RULES ARE WRITTEN AND THAT'S THE REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE TO MEET THROUGH THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT.

UM, WE DON'T WANNA PUT IN 19 HOUSES THAT DON'T HAVE WATER EITHER.

SO WE WANT TO COMMIT TO, WE CAN EXTEND THE PUBLIC WATER IF IT WORKS.

UM, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO CROSS COURTHOUSE CREEK AND MAKE A LOOP BACK THROUGH THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE MAY NEED EASEMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF BEYOND THEIR CONTROL.

BUT I THINK WE CAN EXTEND THE WATER TO THIS SITE, UH, PROVIDED THE COUNTY WILL LET US, AND IT, AND IT WORKS, UH, GUESSING BASED OFF OF THE OTHER STUFF.

I KNOW IF WE CAN GET PRESSURE OVER THE HILL, IT PROBABLY WORKS.

I MEAN, IT'S SOME PRESSURE.

YOU GOT A TANK HERE AND SO THERE'S SOME ELEVATION COMING OFF, YOU KNOW, GREENBRIER BRANCH AND THEN GET UP OVER THE HILL IN GLEBE.

IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT, WE PROBABLY, PROBABLY THE PRESSURES WORK.

UM, BUT AGAIN, SO I, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS WE CAN COMMIT TO PUBLIC WATER, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO A LOT OF CALCULATIONS WITH THE COUNTY BETWEEN NOW AND THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ACTUALLY WORKS AND WE CAN FEASIBLY DO IT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? STILL WOULD GO TO SEPTIC.

STILL SEPTIC.

WE CAN'T GET TO THE SEWER.

BUT, SO IT'D BE PUBLIC WATER AND SEPTIC.

AND MY GUYS, I WAS TEXTING THEM WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE.

WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY STUFF.

IT IT'S DECENT SOIL.

THERE MAY BE A COUPLE LOTS THAT'LL BE ALTERNATIVE.

UM, NOT CONVENTIONAL DRAIN FIELDS, BUT MOST OF THE SOILS ARE, ARE DECENT ENOUGH FOR CONVENTIONAL SYSTEMS. SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED THE TOPOGRAPHY AND IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT.

AND SO IT, IT'S SOME, I MEAN, IT'S NO DIFFERENT IN MY OPINION THAN THE OTHER SECTION OF GREENBRIAR OR SOME OF THE CLIFTON.

IT, IT, LOOK, IT'S EXAGGERATED ON PAPER.

IT LOOKS WORSE.

UM, IT'S NOT AS STEEP FOR HILL, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND SO, BUT IT, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE OTHER SECTIONS OF, OF GREENBRIAR AND YOU KNOW, SOME LOTS WILL BE BASEMENT LOTS AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH IT.

BUT IT IS SOME, SOME TOPOGRAPHY.

I, I WOULD AGREE.

SO AS THE APPLICANT, YOU'RE, I GUESS YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROFFERING, I GUESS A, A LEFT TURN LANE HELP AND PUBLIC WATER.

IF YES, WE WOULD, WE CAN ADD A PROFFER FOR PUBLIC WATER AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I GUESS WE'RE GONNA WORK REALLY HARD BETWEEN NOW AND THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN REALLY ACHIEVE THAT.

SO I GUESS AT THIS POINT, UM, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, IF THE APPLICANT AGREES IS, UM, WE'D ADD A NEW PROFFER 14 THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE PROVISION, UM, TO SAY THE LOT SHALL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER, RIGHT? AND THEN THAT WAY THAT WOULD BE GOING FORWARD TO THE BOARD.

IF THEY DON'T, IF IT CAN'T WORK OUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THE PROFFER WOULD ALREADY BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT IT BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER.

UM, THE OTHER CONDITION WOULD BE FOR THE CEMETERY, UM, I GUESS THE WORDING JUST TO PLAY, I'D HAVE TO WORK A LITTLE BIT, BUT ALL STREET PARKING FOR THE CEMETERY SHALL BE PROVIDED AND A FOUR FOOT ORNAMENTAL FENCE BE PROVIDED AROUND THE CEMETERY PERIMETER, PERIMETER OF THE CEMETERY.

IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. BRYCE MIGHT BE THE BEST ONE TO WORK WITH.

ABSOLUTELY.

HE MAY BE HELPFUL TO SHOW US SOME LIMITS OF IT.

UM, THAT WORK.

CALLIE? YEAH, I, GO AHEAD.

MS. JACKSON.

YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY PROVIDE AN AND MAINTAINED PROVIDED AND MAINTAINED.

MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.

YEP.

ARE WE SAYING WE'RE NOT DOING WELLS AT ALL NOW? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S OUR INTENTION IS TO DO PUBLIC WATER.

I THINK THE, UM, NOT FEASIBLE.

THE, THE, THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME TO MIND.

WELL, THE, THE TOPOLOGY SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T FIX THINGS AFTER

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THE FACT.

I THINK OF CREEK MORE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER.

IT, IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M SURE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WISHES IT WAS CREEK LESS INSTEAD OF CREEK MORE.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT COMES TO MIND IS, IS THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD OR AN AREA WITHIN, UM, WITHIN CROSIER WHERE THE COUNTY HAD TO STEP IN AND PROVIDE, UH, WATER, UH, BECAUSE OF CONTAMINATION AND, AND, AND NO WATER.

RIGHT? UM, OR NOT GOOD WATER.

SO, UM, THE, THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE IS, IS I, I SEE THAT ALMOST NEEDED AS, AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD EXISTS TODAY.

AND IN THE, THE, THE COMMON THAT THE MOST COMMON THEME HERE IS THAT IS THE WATER ISSUE, UM, AMONGST ALL EVERYBODY THAT HAS HAS SPOKEN.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU.

I THINK THEY'VE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS THAT, UH, THAT ON THE EMAILS WE'VE GOTTEN, UM, WHICH IS BETTER THAN WE NORMALLY GET.

UM, I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING RZ 20 24 0 0 0 0 1 4 55 0.44 ACRES ON TAX MAPS.

NUMBERS FOUR THREE DASH 26 DASH ZERO DASH ONE DASH 0 4 3 DASH 26 DASH ZERO DASH TWO DASH 0 4 3 DASH 26 DASH ZERO DASH THREE DASH 0 4 3 2 6 DASH ZERO DASH FOUR DASH 0 4 3 DASH 26 DASH ZERO DASH FIVE DASH ZERO.

AND 4 3 2 6 DASH ZERO DASH SIX DASH ZERO FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED.

A TWO TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WAS PROFFERED CONDITIONS.

THIS IS AS AMENDED, RIGHT AS AMENDED, CORRECT? YES SIR.

AND JUST FOR CLARITY, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT AMENDED HIS PROFFERS, THERE WILL BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CEMETERY TO ADD THE FOREFOOT OR AN MENTAL FENCE THAT'S PROFFERED.

NUMBER EIGHT WILL BE INSTALLED AND MAINTAINED AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE CEMETERY AND A NEW PROFFER.

NUMBER 14, ALL LOTS SHALL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER.

YES, I SECOND THAT AND MOVED AND SECONDED.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE A.

THERE'S A MINIMUM FAR THAT'S EXPECTED.

OPPOSED THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A FIVE OH VOTE.

THIS CASE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON APRIL 16TH, 2024, WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AS AMENDED FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

OUR FINAL ITEM TONIGHT IS COUNTYWIDE ZOA 2023.

THEY'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION.

AND THE HALLWAY WHERE MY PROPERTY, WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTES BREAK SO WE CAN, I CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT NOW.

WE HAVE A PROBABLY VACATION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'LL TAKE A TWO MINUTE RECESS.

GET REORGANIZED.

10 MINUTES.

TWO MINUTES.

[5. Countywide - ZOA-2023-00002 Application by Kerry Brian Hutcherson, Esq. requesting to amend County Zoning Ordinance Secs. 15-233,15-243,15-253,15-264 and 15-273 (District Standards) to remove maximum floor area ratio (FAR) requirements in the Business, Neighborhood (B-N), Business, General (B-1), Commercial Interchange (B-3), Industrial, Limited (M-1), and Industrial, General (M-2) zoning disticts]

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SECTION 15, 2 33.

2 43.

2 53, 2 64 AND 2 73.

DISTRICT STANDARDS TO REMOVE MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO FAR REQUIREMENTS IN THE BUSINESS NEIGHBORHOOD B IN BUSINESS GENERAL B ONE COMMERCIAL INTERCHANGE, B THREE INDUSTRIAL LIMITED, M1 AND INDUSTRIAL GENERAL M TWO ZONING DISTRICTS.

THANK YOU MS. BARKER.

UH, AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS RAY CASH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS, UH, UM, APPLICANT INITIATED, UM, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT THAT'S COMING BEFORE YOU AS REFERENCED.

UH, THE PROPOSAL IS TO REMOVE THE MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO FROM, UH, THE FOLLOWING DISTRICTS TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS BN, WHICH CURRENTLY HAS AN FAR OF 0.25 BUSINESS, GENERAL B ONE, UH, COMMERCIAL INTERCHANGE, UH, DISTRICT, WHICH IS B THREE INDUSTRIAL LIMIT M1 AND INDUSTRIAL GENERAL M TWO, UM, DOES NOT IMPACT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PARK MAXIMUM FAR FOR MULTIFAMILY.

THAT'S LOCATED INSIDE OF M1, WHICH REALLY WAS BASIS OF WEST CREEK.

UM, IT ALSO WOULD NOT REQUIRE REMOVE THE FAR REQUIREMENT FOR MPUD AND RPUD.

UM, THEY DO HAVE A RATIO FOR COMMERCIAL USES ON A LOT AND THEY'RE NOT AFFECTED BY THIS AMENDMENT.

UM, THE STAFF HAS RECEIVED TWO EMAILS IN OPPOSITION.

UM, COMMENTS INCLUDE IMPACT OF CHANGE ON AREAS ADJACENT TO B ONE AND PARKSIDE VILLAGE.

IMPACT ON THE ROLE OF CHARACTER.

UM, CONCERN THAT THE NEED OF CHANGE IS FOR A DEVELOPER DRIVEN NOT VERSUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

UM, CONCERN FOR UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE CHANGE, UH, TO EVALUATION.

UM, SO WHAT IS FLOOR AREA RATIO? UM, IT'S REALLY A, A TOOL THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

IT'S DETERMINED BY THE VOLUME OF GROWTH FLOOR AREA OF THE STRUCTURE BY THE AREA OF THE LOT.

NOW DIFFERENT LOCALITIES HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF HOW YOU DETERMINE WHAT'S SORT OF DEDUCTED FROM CONSIDERATION OF GROSS FLOOR AREA.

OURS CURRENTLY TALKS ABOUT IT SHOULD BE THE INSIDE PERIMETER, BUT YOU EXCLUDE VENT SHAFT COURTS, UM, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, THE INTENT IS REALLY TO IMAGINE THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT YOUR HOU OF THAT HOUSE OR THAT BUILDING TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND THEN THERE'S A FORMULA BY WHICH YOU DETERMINE FAR.

SO AGAIN, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF FLOOR ARRAY RATIO? WELL, IT CAN BE A ZONING TOOL THAT'S UTILIZED IN REGULATING THE SIZE OF BUILDINGS ON AN INDIVIDUAL A LOT.

UM, TYPICALLY IT'S UTILIZED IN REALLY BROADER PLANNING GOALS FOR SPECIAL DISTRICTS OR AREAS WHERE YOU ANTICIPATE, UM, REGULATE AND ALSO ENCOURAGE IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES THE BULK OF DEVELOPABLE DENSITY.

UM, SO IT'S TYPICALLY NOT STANDARD IN EUCLIDEAN ZONING, WHICH WE EXPERIENCE HERE, WHICH IS YOUR STANDARD, UM, ZONING OF SEPARATION BETWEEN USES, UM, AND DIFFERENT USE TYPES.

IT'S MORE OFTEN IT'S INFORMED BASED CODES, INCENTIVE ZONING OR PERFORMANCE ZONING OR AREAS WE HAVE A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT CODE OR FOR A SPECIFIC AREA, UM, USUALLY INTENDED FOR HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.

SO A MINIMUM FAR IS OFTEN USED TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT TO BE AT A CERTAIN STAGE.

AND WHY DO THAT? WELL, FOR THESE AREAS THAT THEY'RE UTILIZED IN TYPICALLY IS NOT BROADER ZONING DISTRICTS ACROSS THE COUNTY OR IN RURAL OR SUBURBAN AREAS.

TYPICALLY, FAR COMES IN AS AN AREA.

THERE'S BEEN HEAVY INVESTMENT BY LOCALITY OR AN AREA.

THIS IS WHERE YOU ANTICIPATE OR ENCOURAGE GROWTH.

AND SO AN FAR USUALLY COMES IN AT A STAGE WHERE YOU SAY

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UM, AS WE TALK ABOUT A COUPLE LOCALITIES AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL WE'LL SHOW THAT.

UM, SO REALLY IT'S INTENDED TO CONSECRATE GROWTH IN YOUR GROWTH DEVELOPMENT AREAS.

FOR INSTANCE, WHERE MPED OR PD OR RPED ARE, THOSE ARE DESIGNATED AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE GROWTH.

UM, THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF ORDINANCE.

IT'S REALLY THE FIGURES THAT USE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT REALLY DESCRIBES OR SHOWS HOW YOU DETERMINE IF THEY ARE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S INTENDED TO BE THE BUILDING HERE.

UM, THE ONE AND A HALF ACRE LOT, IF YOU DO THE CALCULATIONS OF THE BUILDING DIVIDED BY UM, AC A LOT, YOU GET A 0.4 FAR.

UM, SAME SCENARIO WOULD WORK IF YOU DID TWO STORIES, AS LONG AS IT'S THE SAME BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND YOU COME FORWARD AND YOU GET A 0.4 FAR.

AND SO YOU SEE THE LITTLE FIGURES THERE.

AND I NEVER LIKED THESE FAR UH, DETERMINATIONS OR FIGURES BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS O IS JUST SLIDING FORWARD, SLIDING BACK ON THE LOT AS, AS YOU SEE THERE ON THE LOWER CORNER.

THAT DOESN'T MATCH THE REALITY OF WHAT MOST EUCLIDEAN OR STANDARD, UM, BULK ZONING DOES.

SO AS A STANDALONE TOOL, LET'S SAY WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SETBACKS OR ANYTHING OR BUILDINGS HEIGHTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, A STANDALONE EFFORT OR FAR ENCOURAGES, IT CAN RESTRICT OR ENCOURAGE DEPENDING ON HOW YOU USE IT.

THE DENSITY ON A PROPERTY, ITS USEFULNESS AS A TOOL IS REALLY BASED UPON WHAT OTHER REGULATIONS YOU HAVE.

SO HAVING FAR OF TWO IN THIS PICTURE HERE IN THE RED, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE RED.

I'LL MAKE IT RED, CIRCLING AROUND A COUPLE TIMES, UM, OF HAVING FR TWO AND NO OTHER REGULATION BASICALLY LEARNS TO, LEADS TO THE BUILDING, TAKES UP THE WHOLE LOT.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAN GO BASE 'CAUSE YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GET, YOU DON'T HAVE OTHER CONCERNS OR REQUIREMENTS.

AND THAT'S WHAT OFTEN HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HEAVY URBAN ENVIRONMENTS OR AREAS WHERE YOU GO, HEY, LET'S JUST PUT ON WHAT WE WANT.

UM, IF YOU HAVE AN FAR OF TWO AND YOU HAVE LIKE AN OPEN SPACE OR A LARGE SETBACK FRONTAGE TYPE OF REQUIREMENT, YOU LEAD TO THE BLUE SCENARIO.

SO AGAIN, THE CONCEPT IS, UM, WITH FAR IT ENCOURAGES UPWARD MOVEMENT OF THERE A LOWER FAR TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE A LOWER DENSITY.

THE BENEFIT IN CERTAIN ENVIRONMENTS WITH THE HIGHER FAR IS NOT JUST THE RETURN OF OF, OF DENSITY OR INVESTMENT FOR THE AREA.

IT ALSO IS YOU'RE ENCOURAGED ELEVATION.

AND SO IF YOU ENCOURAGE ELEVATION, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, FOR OPEN SPACE AND OTHER TYPES OF, UM, THINGS THAT COME FORWARD.

SO FLUOR AIR RATIO IS HOW WE REGULATE HERE IN GOLAND.

IN ADDITION TO THE FAR, WE HAVE WHAT'S VERY TRADITIONAL AND WHAT'S IN, UM, MOST ORDINANCES OUTSIDE OF THOSE SPECIALIZED DISTRICTS IS YOU COVER THE LOT LOCATION.

IT COVERS A LOT THROUGH THINGS LIKE SETBACKS, WHICH ARE THE RED ARROWS HERE, UM, BUFFERS, WHICH WOULD BE THE GREEN ARROW.

THAT USUALLY HAPPENS ANYTIME WE'RE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND ONSITE PARKING, WHICH IS YELLOW.

AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SUBURBAN LOCALITY AND RURAL LOCALITY LIKE WE ARE, PARKING IS BECOMES THE DRIVING FORCE BETWEEN WHAT CAN REALLY GO ON OUR PROPERTY.

WE HAVE VERY SUBURBAN RULES FOR, FOR PARKING HERE.

UM, AND SO THAT TYPE OF PARKING TAKES UP A LOT OF SPACE ON THE LOT, UH, BETWEEN THE PARKING AND DRIVES AND ENTRANCES, PLUS OUR OTHER SETBACKS AND BUFFERS.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE A BUILDING HEIGHT LIMITATION, UM, HERE AND YOU'RE TALKING BEING WE'RE 35, UM, 30, 35 FEET IN OUR LIGHTER COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.

UM, YOU CAN HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO UP TO, UM, I THINK IT'S 80 AND THEN A HUNDRED IN THE, UM, INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.

AND B THREE, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR PROPERTY THAT'S DESIGNATED AROUND THE INTERCHANGES.

AND SPECIFICALLY AT 2 88, 64 IN OILVILLE, THOSE CAN GO UP TO A HUNDRED.

'CAUSE THOSE PROPERTIES WERE DETERMINED TO BE, THOSE ARE THE AREAS WHERE WE EXPECT HOTELS AND THINGS TO COME.

UM, THERE'S ALSO A PROVISION IN CERTAIN THOSE DISTRICTS, YOU CAN HAVE GREATER HEIGHTS TO MOVE IF, IF YOU MOVE THE SETBACKS AROUND.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE THE REGULATIONS IN PLACE THAT MANAGES THE RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER LOTS AND WHAT IT, HOW THE BUILDING'S LOCATED ON A LOT.

SO STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALREADY WERE AWARE OF THIS AND RESEARCHED THINGS OVER THE YEARS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE ASKED TO DO IS DO PERFORM ANOTHER BENCHMARKING EXERCISE JUST TO LOOK WITH, SEE ARE PEOPLE USING FAR? SO CUMBERLAND, LOUISA WHO ARE RURAL LOCALITIES, UM, UH, AS WELL, UM, HENRICO AND CHESTERFIELD.

NONE OF THOSE DO.

PALATAN DOES HAVE IT REFERENCED IN THEIR ORDINANCE, BUT IT ONLY TALKS ABOUT SEEING IT ON A PLAN.

IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A MINIMUM MAXIMUM OR ANY TYPE OF STANDARDS RELATED TO THAT.

LAN DOES USE THAT, BUT THEY USE IT AS A MINIMUM POINT F UH, ONLY IN THEIR PUDS.

AND, AND IT'S A 0.4 COMMERCIAL

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FAR, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT OUR CURRENT FAR FOR B ONE, THAT'S THEIR MINIMUM FOR THEIR INTENSE DISTRICT, WHICH IS THEIR INTENDED, UM, URBANIZED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS.

UM, CITY OF RICHMOND, LIKE MOST LIKE LARGE URBAN LOCAL URBAN LOCALITIES, SO MOSTLY CITIES.

ALSO SOME OF THE, THE LARGER INTENSE PLACES, A LITTLE BIT LIKE FAIRFAX AND THINGS, UM, HAVE THESE FFR THAT THEY USE IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS.

SO RICHMOND HAS FOUR OF THEM.

UM, FOR INSTANCE, THE B FOURS WE REFERENCE HERE AS A COMMERCIAL, UM, HAS AS A B FOUR COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL IS THE ONLY THING THAT HAS AN FAR REGULATION.

AND THAT'S SIX, NOT 0.4, NOT 0.6, IT'S SIX AND NONE FOR A COMMERCIAL.

AND AGAIN, SO THAT'S HOW THE TOOLS ARE UTILIZED IS THAT YOU USE FAR WHERE YOU THINK YOU NEED THAT TO ENCOURAGE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE PRESERVED IT IN THE NM PUD IN OUR PD D.

SO THOSE COULD BE EVALUATED AS WE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON THOSE CODES IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, COMING OUT OF THE COURTHOUSE WE KNOW WE NEED TO EVALUATE.

AND WE'D ALSO, IF WE DID CENTERVILLE COMING FORWARD, EVALUATE THOSE SO THAT FAR IS UTILIZED AS A TOOL IN THOSE, BECAUSE THOSE DISTRICTS DO NOT HAVE STANDARD SETBACKS.

THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WORKS OUT AS YOU DO THE, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

FOR INSTANCE IN OUR PED, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE SMALL LOTS THERE 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE LIMITATIONS ON SETBACKS.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, THERE IS A, THE APPLICANT THAT'S GONNA BE COMING FOR YOU, CARRIE HUTCHERSON, UM, ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE HAS BEEN UM, PART OF, YOU KNOW, EXTRA, WHICH WAS THE CASE THAT CAME BACK A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, UM, BEFORE THIS, THIS BODY AND WAS APPROVED.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED AS AN OVERALL PACKAGE A PROJECT.

AND SO WHAT'S HERE IS YOU HAVE THE BUFFERS AROUND THE SIDE.

WE HAD ALL THESE AGREEMENTS OF SIDEWALKS AND IMPROVEMENTS AND THIS IS A CASE THAT WAS WELL NEGOTIATED WITH THE, WITH THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND TO WORK THIS OUT.

SO AS YOU CALCULATE THE FULL SPACES, UM, THIS IS A THREE STORY BUILDING HERE, WHICH IS THE STORAGE BUILDING.

UM, BETWEEN THAT CALCULATIONS COME OUT, RUN THE WHOLE FORMULA COME DOWN, IT'S A 0.399.

SO IT'S 0.4, UM, COLLECTIVELY AT THEY ARE.

SO ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HERE ON THIS LOT IS THINGS WE LOOK FOR.

WE HAVE THE REQUIRED PARKING THAT'S NECESSARY FOR IT.

WE HAVE SETBACKS, WE HAVE BUFFERS THAT ARE IMPORTANT ALONG A ROAD THAT GOES INSIDE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ALSO HAVE THE PROTECTIONS ON THE SIDE OF ENVIRONMENTAL AS WELL AS BUFFERS.

AND SO IT MET THE POINT, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE 0.4 BECAUSE THIS IS THE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THAT.

SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THE APPLICANT RECOGNIZING THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN A PROJECT TYPE THING, NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE A LEASING OR CONDO OR WHATEVER, CERTAIN CORPORATES, CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WANNA OWN THE PROPERTY FOR THAT.

WE VIEW IT AS A PROJECT THAT FOR ITS UM, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE ACCESS CONNECTIONS.

THEY HAVE A SHARED ACCESS HERE WE HAVE AN OVERRIDING ZONING CASE THAT CAUSES AND RECOMMEND THAT REGULATES THE CONDITIONS AND ENFORCEMENT.

SO IF THE CLIENT WANTS TO SUBDIVIDE HERE, EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS HAD TO MEET 0.4.

OKAY? AND SO WHEN I DID THIS, THEY WERE NICE ENOUGH TO SEND ME WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE AT ONE POINT AND I DID SOME QUICK FIVE 30 IN THE EVENING TYPE OF MATH .

SO YOU COME OUT WITH THE STORAGE, UH, THE STORAGE USE ITSELF, WHICH WOULD BE THE CENTER PARCEL COMES ABOUT 0.76.

THE OFFICE USE COMES DOWN TO 0.08.

THAT'S HERE AT THE BACK.

SO THAT'S GOT A LOT OF THE, LIKE THE WET AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN THE RETAIL USE UP ON THE ROAD, THAT'S THE 0.15.

SO TWO OF THE THREE USERS EXCEED THE FAR BASED UPON OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS.

HOWEVER, NOTHING'S DIFFERENT WITH THESE THAN THE, WHAT THE ORIGINAL PROJECT WAS.

WE STILL ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS THROUGH OUR ORDINANCE.

EACH OF THOSE WILL ACCOMMODATE SETBACKS.

WHEN YOU DO THE PROPERTY DIVISION.

THERE'S CERTAIN CONSEQUENCES THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO INCLUDE MEETING OUR EXISTING STANDARDS, UM, FOR EACH OF THE ZONING DISTRICT.

AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE GOAL OF WHAT FER IS INTENDED TO DO.

AND WHEN STAFF, AND TO BE HONEST, WHEN THE APPLICANT CAME FORWARD AND SAID WE'D LIKE TO REMOVE, UM, B ONE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FAR FROM THE B ONE, THEY SAID IT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT FOR US TO REMOVE IT FROM UH, ONE BASE, DISTRICT DISTRICT AND NOT, UM, DO IT IN ALL DISTRICTS.

SO WE REQUESTED THAT THEY AMEND THEIR APPLICATION TO COVER THE DISTRICTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH ARE BASE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, UM, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

UM, SO THAT THERE WASN'T ONE CLEAR DISTINCTION, UM, THERE WAS NOTHING DIFFERENT TO THE B ONE FAR AS THERE WAS TO THE OTHER AREAS AS FAR AS IMPACTS, SETBACKS AND REQUIREMENTS.

UM,

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SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, I'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT THERE.

FAR IS SOMETHING YOU DON'T REALLY COME ACROSS EVERY DAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT INCIDENT WHERE IT'S COME FORWARD AND WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION WITH PEOPLE.

IT IMPACTS WHAT THEIR POTENTIAL INVESTMENT WOULD BE OR THEIR INTEREST IN COMING HERE.

UM, I WOULD SAY THAT UM, WE HAVE TALKED TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

THEY WOULD SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT, UM, AS WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT OR SOME FORM OF THAT THAT, THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER.

UM, I KNEW THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

HOW LONG HAVE Y'ALL BEEN USING? FAR? SO IT WAS IN PLACE WHEN I GOT HERE.

THIS IS THE 2020 20 20 20 ORDINANCE AMENDMENT CAME INTO PLACE.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE DON'T KNOW THE, THE ORIGIN OF IT.

I SUSPECT POTENTIALLY IF WHEN PART OF THE RPD AND MPD MADE YOU THINK THAT FAR IS THERE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS ITS ROLE, IT'S JUST WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

IT'S HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMPARABLE PROBLEMS WITH IT UP UNTIL NOW? UM, THE ONLY THING WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH WAS, WAS THIS.

NOW WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE, THEIR INITIAL BLUFFS, WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO PROPOSE AND WE SAID, OH, WE GOT THE FAR.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE CLOSE THAT YOU'VE HAD TO BUY A LITTLE PIECE OR CUT A LITTLE PIECE BACK, UM, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE HAVE HAD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROSPECTS IN THE PROBABLY ANY EARLY STAGES HAD THE ISSUE WITH THAT.

DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT IT FELL THROUGH.

THERE COULD HAVE BEEN OTHER THINGS THAT WE WORKED OUT AND STUFF, BUT IT HAS BEEN A NOTICE THAT IN, IN CERTAIN CONVERSATIONS THAT IT'S INFECTED, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND NOT TO SAY THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE WORKED OUT SOME OTHER SCENARIO WITH HIM.

ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO GOING BACK TO YOUR FIRST SLIDE THAT, THAT SHOWED THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AS ONE PIECE, IS THAT THE WAY YOU GENERALLY WOULD REVIEW IT? UM, SO LIKE FOR THIS HERE? YEAH.

UM, WHEN IT COMES INTO ZONING, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EVALUATING.

AND THIS ONE HAPPENED TO BE I THINK ONE PIECE AT THE TIME OF ZONING, UM, FOR THAT.

UM, JUST 'CAUSE ORIGINALLY THAT HAD BEEN A SHOPPING CENTER OR ZONING IF Y'ALL RECALL FOR THAT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WAY TO EVALUATE IT.

YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY HONESTLY, WHEN I FIRST HAD HAD THIS, LOOKED AT THIS AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, I'M LIKE, OH, THAT'S NO BIG DEAL.

'CAUSE I KIND OF LOOKED AT IT AS THE PROJECT.

BUT THIS WHOLE PIECE OVER HERE DOES IT.

BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR ORDINANCE SAYS AND ORDINANCE LOOKS AT IT IN THE VARIATION OF, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL PARCEL.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES A DISTINCTION IS WHEN YOU BREAK DOWN THAT PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S PART OF WHEN YOU HAVE TO ALSO SEE A, IT'S NOT REALLY RELATED TO THE PROPERTY, IT'S THE, IN THIS MIXED USE DISTRICT, THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OR A MAXIMUM OF THIS A FAR.

AND SO THAT WAY YOU HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITH INDIVIDUAL SITES.

AND, AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL PIECES, I GUESS THE MEANING STARTS TO DISAPPEAR.

'CAUSE COLLECTIVELY THE SITES UNDER 0.4 AND SO AS ORIGINAL PIECE.

UM, BUT IT'S REALLY THE WAY THE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE IS JUST SET UP.

IT DOESN'T LOOK AT AN OVERALL PROJECT.

WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IT'S MORE OF A PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS SET UP THAN WITH FAR 'CAUSE THIS, THIS WOULD NEED IT.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST IF IT DID IT THIS WAY.

WELL, WELL, RIGHT.

THE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE GOES BY AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY AS 0.4.

UM, SO THEN IT COMES DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS YOU COULD BREAK THAT DOWN.

UM, PART OF THAT COULD BE IF WE DON'T GO FORWARD WITH US, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT CAN EVALUATE THAT YOU LOOK AT, AT AN INDIVIDUAL ZONING CASE.

UM, THAT GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED 'CAUSE CHANGING PIECES COME AND GO, PEOPLE REZONE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT THAT'S THE WAY TO LOOK AT IT TOO, IS JUST WHAT'S CONSIDERED A PROJECT OR WHAT'S CONSIDERED ZONING.

SO THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO BREAK THAT DOWN.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT OR, OR A CU MASTER PLAN.

UM, WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REALLY A MASTER PLAN, IT GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED.

SO WE'RE SORT OF ADDRESSING A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST WITH THE EXCEPTION TO THIS ONE PARTICULAR PROJECT.

UM, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT WE, IT'S, IT HAPPENS FOR THIS ONE.

NOW, WE DO RECOGNIZE THE POTENTIAL FOR IMPACT IN AREAS, ESPECIALLY IN THE, THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY WHERE WE HAVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARCELS AS WE COME FORWARD.

AND THEN IN INDUSTRIAL IS ANOTHER AREA WHERE OF, OF KIND OF LARGER CONCERN BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN MORE INTEREST IN TALLER AND BIGGER USES ON THE, THE COME IN.

OTHER WAS, IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THIS, IF YOU TAKE IT AWAY, YOUR SECOND DEVELOPMENT PLAN LOOKS MM-HMM AS AN EXCEPTION AND DO IT ON A PERCEPTION BASIS EVERY DOING ALL OVER THEM COUNTYWIDE.

MY CONCERN IS IF YOU CHANGE IT COUNTYWIDE MM-HMM, , IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW.

MM-HMM .

AND IF YOU JUST ALLOW 'EM TO COME IN, JUST LIKE WE HAVE CONDITIONAL USE PROGRAM, SO COME IN AND SAY, HEY, THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT MEETS THIS,

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RIGHT? IT IS EXCEPTION.

SO CURRENTLY THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW US TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT.

IT'S NOT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S SET UP FOR EITHER ADMINISTRATIVELY OR FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDERATION.

UM, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE DOING A STRAIGHT REZONING, IT'S NOT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S THE ABILITY.

UM, IT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY MAKE IT A CONDITIONAL USE EXCEPT THAT YOU COULD BE ASKING FOR DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT OF REDUCTION OF FAR.

SO WE'D HAVE TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDER TO ALLOW FOR THAT TO ALLOW CONDITIONAL USE.

UM, YEAH, I I THINK PART OF THE PROCESS IS THAT I'D NOW THINK OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT.

YOU COULD MAKE IT AS, UM, THAT YOU'D HAVE TO REQUEST THE EXCEPTION TO THE FAR.

UM, DOESN'T NECESSARILY BE CONDITIONAL USE, BUT IT WOULD BE EXCEPTION, THIS EXCEPTION REQUEST AND THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE, WE'D HAVE TO SORT OF BACK OUR WAY INTO IT.

UM, AND THEN IT COMES DOWN TO DISCUSSION IS DO YOU WANT US, DO WE NEED TO DEVELOP CRITERIA ABOUT WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE OR, OR WHATEVER.

SO I MEAN THAT'S AGAIN, UM, THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN OPTION TO EX EXPLORE, UM, FOR THAT.

AND I THINK THE APPLICANT, OF COURSE, ON THEY, THEY UNDERSTAND THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO, TO TAKE A BITE AT THE APPLE OR TRY TO FIX THIS.

SO, UM, I GUESS OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT REQUIREMENTS IF IT OR FAR COULD SATISFY IT WOULDN'T BE TAKEN CARE OF BY SETBACK AND BUILDING HEIGHT.

UM, I WILL SAY THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE IS THAT WE'VE ALREADY SORT OF ADDRESSED WHAT WE THOUGHT THE CONCERN, WHICH IS TRADITIONAL CONCERNS.

YOU DON'T WANT IT TOO CLOSE TO YOUR NEIGHBOR.

YOU WANNA, YOU DON'T WANT IT TOO TALL.

UM, AND THAT'S TRADITIONALLY WHAT WE, EVERY TIME WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS, THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, NO ONE EVEN IT DOESN'T COME UP TO QUESTION THE FAR UNTIL IT'S A PROBLEM.

AND BECAUSE LITERALLY WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE COME ACROSS SOMETHING UN UNIQUE IS BECAUSE SETBACKS, SETBACKS AND BUILDING HEIGHT ARE REALLY IN MOST TRADITIONAL ZONING THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SUBURBAN ZONING, YOU GET A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHEN YOU GET INTO INTENSE, UH, INTERIOR AREAS OR SOMETHING.

BUT YEAH, THOSE ARE THE MOST THINGS THAT OUR CODES DESIGNED TO ADDRESS.

AND OUR PEER CODES, OUR PEER LOCALITIES, THEIR CODES ARE SET UP TO ADDRESS.

I DON'T WANNA BE TOO CLOSE TO MY NEIGHBOR OR I DON'T LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT USE TOO CLOSE TO ME.

AND, UM, AND SO THERE, I I BELIEVE OUR ORDINANCES ARE REALLY SET UP IN THAT AREA TO FOCUS ON THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

SO FAR IS A LITTLE FAR IS A LITTLE UNIQUE AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE, YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL IT'S IN YOUR FACE.

IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HAS ITS PURPOSE.

IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM THAT WE'VE BEEN UTILIZING IT THAT WAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

NOW THE REAL APPLICANT, HUH? SO NOW THE OTHER APPLICANT, , IF THAT'S OKAY, UM, WHAT'S YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE? UH, CAN WE JUST START THERE? SURE, YEAH.

THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE REALLY MORE ON THIS LIKE SUBURBAN OR EX-URBAN SCALE.

HI, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

I'M KERRY HUTCHERSON, I'M THE APPLICANT.

I'M A LAND USE ATTORNEY, ALSO HAVE A MASTER'S IN LAND USE PLANNING.

SO KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT THIS STUFF.

I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR MY WHOLE CAREER, NEARLY 20 YEARS.

UM, I, I DO HAVE A CLIENT, THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS EXTRA ADDICT DEVELOPMENT WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS.

BUT THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, I DECIDE I WOULD BE THE APPLICANT BECAUSE I COULD SEE THE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY IN GENERAL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS WELL AS CERTAINLY I I WILL AT SOME POINT HAVE OTHER CLIENTS WHO WILL BE INTERESTED IN THIS.

AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE MORE WE TALKED WITH STAFF, UM, I SAY WE, BECAUSE ANDREW BROWNING WITH YOUNGBLOOD TYLER HAS ALSO BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT MORE WE TALKED WITH STAFF, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THIS WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HELP GLIN, UM, TRY TO GET MORE IN STEP WITH ITS PEERS.

AS, AS MR. CASH WAS EXPLAINING, YOU CAN SEE GLAND'S REALLY AN OUTLIER IN THE WAY THAT IT HAS USED THIS FLOOR AREA RATIO TOOL IN ITS ZONING ORDINANCE.

AND, UM, AS WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE EXTRA ATTIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, IT CAME TO LIGHT THAT THE WAY THAT THE GLAND STAFF WERE APPLYING THE FLOOR AREA RATIO REQUIREMENT ON A PER PARCEL BASIS RATHER THAN A PROJECT AS A WHOLE WAS GOING TO CREATE PROBLEMS. NOT JUST FOR THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, PARTICULARLY

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UH, AND I THINK IT PROBABLY EVERYONE IN THE ROOM WOULD AGREE WITH ME THAT GLAND DOESN'T WANT TO BECOME SUPER URBAN.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF ITS IDENTITY IS IT'S STILL A RURAL COUNTY FOR THE MOST PART.

SO, UM, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO TOOL, AS MR. CASH HAS EXPLAINED MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE SEE IT, IT'S USED IN, YOU KNOW, HIGHLY DENSE DEVELOPMENTS.

AND, UH, FOR THE TYPE OF PROJECT WE HAVE HERE WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ENOUGH LAND WHERE YOU CAN DO A MULTI-USER BUT NOT LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

APPLYING THE FLOOR AREA RATIO REQUIREMENT ON A PER PARCEL BASIS REALLY MAKES IT TOUGH FOR THE PROJECT TO BE FEASIBLE.

THIS IS 'CAUSE THE DEVELOPER USUALLY COMES IN EITHER ACQUIRING ONE SINGLE TRACT OF LAND LIKE THIS ONE OR SEVERAL TRACKS OF LAND AND CONSOLIDATES THEM AND SAYS, OKAY, WE'VE GOT MY, THIS IS MY ZONING CASE.

I WANNA PUT TOGETHER THESE, THIS PIECE OF LAND, I'M GONNA REZONE IT AND WE'RE GONNA MASTER PLAN IT.

WE'LL PROFFER A CONCEPT PLAN JUST LIKE WHAT WAS DONE IN THIS CASE WE'RE IN A MASTER PLANET AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR FIRST PRIMARY IDENTIFIED END USER THAT'LL BE AN ANCHOR.

SO IN THIS CASE IT WAS THE SELF STORAGE USER.

AND THAT ONE'S TYPICALLY GOING TO BE THE USER THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MOST SPACE.

IT'S GONNA BE THE, THE BIGGEST ATTRACTOR.

AND THEN THERE WILL BE SECONDARY USERS THAT'LL COME IN LATER AS THE DEVELOPMENT STARTS TO GENERATE SOME INTEREST FROM CUSTOMERS.

UM, AND OFTEN AS THE LIFE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PROGRESSES, UH, FOLKS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT SAY, WELL, I'D LIKE TO BUY MY OWN PARCEL HERE AND OWN THAT SEPARATELY.

I DON'T WANT TO BE A TENANT OF A SHOPPING CENTER.

I DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN A COMMERCIAL CONDO STRUCTURE.

UM, THESE DAYS WE FIND THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, UH, A LOT OF TIMES FOR THE END USERS AND FOR LENDERS, THE COMMERCIAL CONDO STRUCTURE DOESN'T WORK REAL WELL FOR FOLKS.

UM, THE TENANT LANDLORD SITUATION DOESN'T WORK REAL WELL.

PEOPLE A LOT OF TIMES WANT TO OWN THEIR OWN PARCEL IN A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

IF WE WERE TO DO THAT HERE, , AS MR. CASH SHOWED YOU, WE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD WORK IF YOU APPLIED THAT FLOOR AREA RATIO REQUIREMENT ON A PER PARCEL BASIS.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE ORIGINAL CONVERSATION STARTED.

AND, UH, ANDREW BROWNIE AND I, OUR FIRST SUGGESTION WAS, WELL, LET'S BE SURGICAL ABOUT THIS AND TAKE A BABY STEP.

WE'LL JUST APPLY IT TO THE B ONE ZONING DISTRICT 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE WE HAVE HERE.

AND LET'S JUST CHANGE THE ORDINANCE SO THAT IT SPECIFIES THAT FLOOR AREA RATIO IS APPLIED ON A PER PROJECT BASIS WHERE THE PROJECT IS DEFINED BY WHATEVER YOU HAVE IN YOUR MASTER PLAN THAT'S APPROVED AT TIME OF ZONING.

SO THAT HELP, BECAUSE THEN EVERYBODY AT TIME OF ZONING WOULD KNOW, THIS IS THE PROJECT, THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA BE INCLUDED.

AND THIS IS THE GENERAL CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE HAVE.

UM, WE, WE LIKED THAT MOVING FORWARD.

THE STAFF LIKED IT AS WELL, BUT THE MORE THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT, HE SAID, WELL DAMN, MAYBE WE DON'T REALLY EVEN NEED TO HAVE THE FLOOR AREA RATIO REQUIREMENT IN THESE ZONING DISTRICTS AT ALL.

IT'S REALLY ONLY SERVING A USEFUL PURPOSE AND DOING MORE THAN SETBACKS, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, BUFFERS, BUILDING HEIGHTS RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE SECTIONS WOULD DO ON THEIR OWN.

UH, THE FAR IS REALLY ONLY ADDING VALUE IN THE RPUD AND THE MPUD DISTRICTS.

SO THAT'S WHY I, WE CHANGED AT, AGAIN, MR. CASH TOLD YOU THEY ASKED ME TO DO THIS, I CHANGED THE, THE APPLICATION SO THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, A REMOVAL OF THE FAR REQUIREMENT FROM ALL THE NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS OTHER THAN THAT MP OR I'M SORRY, YES, THE RPU AND NPOD UH, DISTRICTS.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S SORT OF THE, THE LONG HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT TO HERE AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME IN LISTENING TO THAT EXPLANATION.

I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF A MYSTERIOUS SUBJECT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE AND SO I'M SURE THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS STILL.

I THINK THIS COMMISSION HAS JUST ASKED A LOT OF REALLY GREAT QUESTIONS OF MR. CASH AND I THINK HIS ANSWERS WERE VERY HELPFUL.

UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ANOTHER POINT JUST TO EMPHASIZE

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AND, AND MR. CASH STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, SETBACKS AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS REALLY DO A TON IN TERMS OF, UH, DICTATING WHAT GOES INTO A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARKING THAT IS GROUPED GENERALLY WITH THESE THREE BUILDINGS, YOU GOT THE FEWEST PARKING SPACES NEXT TO THE STORAGE USE.

AND THAT SHOULD MAKE SENSE FOR MOST PEOPLE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T NEED A WHOLE LOT OF PARKING FOR THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME IN THERE ONE TIME, STORE THEIR STUFF AND THEN GO AWAY.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME BACK TO THAT STORAGE UNIT VERY OFTEN.

WHEREAS FOR THE OFFICE, WELL THERE ARE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUTTA THERE EVERY DAY, THEY NEED MORE PARKING.

RETAIL, SAME THING IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MASTER PLAN THIS SITE AND ALLOCATE THE PARKING IN THOSE WAYS AND THEN LEAVE MORE ROOM IN THE INSTANCE OF THE, UH, HOLD ON A SECOND.

LET, LET ME SHOW YOU WITH THESE, OOPS, I MIGHT HAVE MESSED THIS UP.

I WAS LOOKING FOR THE EXAMPLE WHERE WE HAVE AHA, HERE WE GO.

THE, UM, THE PLANNED PARCEL DIVISION LINES HERE.

BUT IF WE WERE TO HAVE, UH, TO APPLY THIS FAR REQUIREMENT TO SAY THE, UH, THE PARCEL IN THE MIDDLE THERE WITH THAT STORAGE FACILITY ON IT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T NEED A WHOLE BUNCH OF PARKING, BUT IF WE HAVE TO REDUCE THAT FLOOR AREA TO MEET THE FAR REQUIREMENT, NOW THAT PARCEL'S JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF WASTED SPACE, UM, THAT COULD BE USED FOR PARKING ON THE OTHER PLACES THAT REALLY NEED IT.

UM, SO YOU CAN KINDA SEE HOW THE EXISTING RESTRICTIONS, MR. MYERS HAD A REALLY GOOD QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT THOSE EXISTING RESTRICTIONS OTHER THAN THAN FAR, UM, ISN'T DOING ENOUGH TO ACHIEVE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THE COUNTY WANTS? AND I THINK MR. CASH BASICALLY SAID, WELL, EXCEPT FOR IN THE RPUD AND MPUD DISTRICTS, IT REALLY ISN'T DOING ANYTHING FOR US.

UM, SO I HOPE THAT HELPS EXPLAIN THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND ALSO EXPLAINS MY ENROLL, MY INVOLVEMENT IN THIS, AND I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF UNUSUAL, IT'S NOT TOO OFTEN THAT A COUNTY-WIDE ZONING ORDINANCE LIKE THIS GETS BROUGHT FORWARD BY, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE APPLICANT AND NOT THE COUNTY ITSELF.

UM, BUT THIS EXPLAINS SOME OF THE BACKGROUND.

IT REALLY CAME OUT OF JUST CONVERSATION WITH STAFF AND THE MORE WE GOT TALKING WITH IT, THE STAFF SAID THEY REALLY SUPPORTED THIS AND WANTED US TO BRING IT FORWARD.

SO HERE WE ARE AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

AND ANDREW BROWNING'S HERE AS WELL.

I'M SURE HE CAN GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY ON DESIGN STUFF FOR CIVIL ENGINEERING THAT I CAN'T HANDLE.

WE MIGHT NEED YOUR HELP AFTERWARDS IF, IF THIS IS APPROVED IN THESE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS.

UH, IS THERE A DISADVANTAGE TO IT OR THIS, I, I REALLY THINK BECAUSE OF, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DISADVANTAGE IN THE SENSE THAT THE OTHER RESTRICTIONS THAT HAVE SO MUCH CONTROL OVER HOW A DEVELOPMENT CAN BE LAID OUT, LIKE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SETBACKS, BUILDING HEIGHT, ALL OF THAT, THEY'RE NOT GOING AWAY.

SO REMOVING FAR IN THIS CASE ISN'T GOING TO AFFECT THAT.

AND, AND REALLY I THINK NOW ANDREW COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I COULD, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANYTHING THAT REMOVING FAR FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS CONCEPT PLAN, UM, WOULD DO THAT WOULD CHANGE ANY OF THE WAY THE LAYOUT WAS DICTATED.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT, THIS LAYOUT IS THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE TO MEET IN THIS COUNTY.

AND IT ALSO WAS, IT WAS SITE SPECIFIC TOO.

OF COURSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES NEARBY AND ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTRANCES AND HOW THEY LINE UP THAT SORT OF THING.

OF COURSE THOSE THINGS WILL DICTATE HOW THE LAYOUT HAS TO, HAS TO GO AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, FAR REALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT CAME INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT UNTIL VERY LATE IN THE PROCESS.

AND UH, I MEAN I THINK MR. CASH COULD PROBABLY CONFIRM YEAH.

AFTER THE PROCESS, THIS THING, IT WAS ALL MASTER PLANNED WITHOUT EVER ANYBODY EVER EVEN CONSIDERING DOES IT MEET FAR.

UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.

EXACTLY.

WHERE IS THIS SITE? IT IS ON POUNCE TRACK OVER NEXT TO, UH, BERE OF BAPTIST CHURCH, THAT AREA.

AND YOU KNOW PARKSIDE VILLAGE? YEAH.

PARKSIDE VILLAGE.

MM-HMM, , WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE IT'S SEVEN 11 NOW, BUT USED TO BE CALLED

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SHUCK.

ALL SHUCKS, ALL SHUCKS.

I MISSED THAT PLACE WHEN IT WAS ALL SHUCKS.

SO ANYWAY, THAT, YEAH, THAT'S THE AREA I LOVE DOWN THE ROAD IN, IN HANOVER FROM HERE.

SO I DRIVE BY IT ALL THE TIME.

OKAY, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR, UH, ALL THE COMMENT PERIOD.

ONE AT A TIME, ONE AT A TIME.

I'M ONE, UH, LARRY BARKER, 2170 MANNEQUIN ROAD.

I'M SEATING MY TIME TO ROB HERE.

FIVE LINDA MOORE, 2164 PROFIT ROAD.

I'M SEATING MY SIGN TO ROB.

I'M BETTY KNUCKLES AND I LIVE AT 2140 MANNEQUIN ROAD AND I'M SEATING MY TIME TO MR. WILLIAMSON.

MICHELLE WILLIAMSON 2, 2 6 2 WHEATLAND DRIVE SEATING MY TITAN TO HIM EVEN THOUGH I AM THE BETTER HALF , THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

HERE WE GO.

RESTRICTED ON THE MOUNTAIN.

10 MINUTES AWAY.

OKAY, GOOD.

THANK, THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS ROB WILLIAMS AND I LIVE AT 2 2, 6 2 WHEATLAND DRIVE.

MANNEQUIN.

SABOT.

HAVE YOU EVER WALKED UP TO YOUR TOOLBOX, NOTICED A SPECIAL TOOL, THOUGHT THAT SOMETIMES I DON'T NEED THIS, AND YOU THROW IT IN THE TRASH? 'CAUSE YOU HAVEN'T USED IT IN A WHILE? I'LL BET NOT.

KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MINDS WHILE, WHILE WE DISCUSS THIS ISSUE.

NOW WHY ARE WE HERE? IF I WAS THE SALESMAN TRYING TO, I'D HAVE SAID EVERYTHING HE SAID, BUT I LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

GLAND IS DIFFERENT, TRYING TO MAINTAIN RURAL HERITAGE, ET CETERA.

THIS ZONING CHANGE LOOKS LIKE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, INITIATIVE.

BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHERE E ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS, HAS LOST MANY, UH, VALUABLE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS BECAUSE OF FLOOR AREA RACE.

YET IN THE RECENT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RETREAT LISTED MANY CHALLENGES TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THE FLOOR AREA RATIO WAS NOT ONE OF THEM.

LET'S CONCENTRATE ON THE ONES THAT WERE LISTED.

OR IS IT BECAUSE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN SWAPPED WITH TOO MANY COMMERCIAL REZONINGS WHERE FLOOR AREA RATIO HAS BEEN A DEAL BREAKER AND WASTED VALUABLE TIME? THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

OR IS IT BECAUSE THERE'S ONE DEVELOPER WITH ONE PROPERTY, WITH ONE SPECIFIC ISSUE OF THEIR OWN MAKING IT MOST LIKELY WILL NOT OCCUR AGAIN IN ANOTHER PROJECT 'CAUSE OF MISTAKE WAS MADE.

NOW THAT'S A BINGO.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

THE IRONY HERE IS FLOOR A RATIO WAS NOT AN ISSUE IN THE REZONING OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

AS YOU SAW, IT'S 3.99 FLOOR.

A RATIO WAS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE CUP FOR THE MINI STORAGE THAT WAS APPROVED TOO.

THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS NOT IN PROPORTION.

WHAT THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM.

HE PLANS TO HAVE TO HELP ALLEVIATE THIS HARDSHIP.

'CAUSE THE REMEDY TO THIS ISSUE THAT HE HAS LOOKS LIKE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVE AND THAT THAT'S, THEY DON'T MATCH.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT DEVELOPER NEEDS TO CARVE OUT A MINI STORAGE, WILL NEED A NEWS ZONING ACTION TO DIVIDE THE LOT.

SO THE MINI STORAGE OPERATOR CAN BUY CARVED OUT PIECE VICE LEASING IT.

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWN IN ADVANCE.

THEY SHOULD NOT GET TO THIS POINT IN THE PROJECT AND REALIZE THAT THE MINI STORAGE WANTS TO OWN THE PROPERTY THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING.

PLANNING RULES DICTATE THERE ARE ONLY TWO REMEDIES, IN THIS CASE, A VARIANCE OR AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.

AND HE DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR A VARIANCE.

YOU CAN'T GET A VARIANCE WHEN YOU'VE CREATED THE PROBLEM AND YOU'LL GAIN BY FINANCIAL BENEFIT GETTING A VARIANCE.

BUT TONIGHT THEY'RE ASKING TO GET THAT RELIEF VIA AN AMENDMENT THAT SETS A BAD PRECEDENT IN.

IN MY OPINION, THIS APPROACH WILL BE RISKING COSTLY TO THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE IN THE LONG RUN AND OPENS A PANDORA'S BOX OF FEW SURE ISSUES.

IF YOU HAVEN'T RECOGNIZED THAT BY NOW, THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES COULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT COMMERCIAL ZONING IN HAYDENVILLE, GEORGIA'S TAVERN, FEIST, CROFTS ROADS, SANDY HOOK, CROZIER, OILVILLE.

IT'LL DEFINITELY IMPACT DISTRICT TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE WATER AND SEWER.

NOW, I'M NOT SAYING A DEVELOPER DOESN'T DESERVE TO PURSUE A REMEDY IN THIS, IN HIS DILEMMA, BUT TRASHING A TOOL LIKE FLOOR AREA RATIO AND ALL BUSINESSES COMMERCIAL ORDINANCES COUNTYWIDE IS EXCESSIVE, OVERKILL AND UNWISE.

THE MOST OBVIOUS REMEDY WOULD BE COSTLY TO THE DEVELOPER.

AND THAT IS REDUCE THE SCOPE OF THE PLAN, CARVE OUT ENOUGH LAND AND SATISFY THE FLOOR AREA RATIO FOR THE TENANT THAT

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THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO OFFER WHAT THEY THINK IS A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL REMEDY OF REMOVING FAR AS LOGICAL AND REASONABLE.

BUT IN GLAND'S CASE, THAT THAT IS NOT TRUE.

WE'RE UNIQUE.

WE'RE NOT LIKE FLUA WHO HAS A MINIMUM TRYING TO GET URBANIZATION IN A CERTAIN COMMERCIAL ZONE.

FLOOR AREA RATIO IS BASICALLY SIMPLE BUT OFTEN MISUNDERSTOOD.

ORDINANCE LIMITS ARE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS LIKE HEIGHT, BUFFER, SETBACKS, PARKING AND FLOOR AREA RATIO.

THERE'S ONLY ONE ON ONE STATES DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE MEASURABLE.

YOU EITHER MEET 'EM OR YOU DON'T.

AND YOU KNOW THAT GOING INTO A PROJECT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE THERE TO PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY AND PROTECT NATURAL FEATURES LIKE OUR RURAL CHARACTER.

AND IT'S BEEN SAID TONIGHT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE REGULATIONS TO CONTROL THE SIZE OF BUILDINGS.

WE HAVE HEIGHTENED LIMITS ON HOW TALL BUFFER SETBACKS AND PARKING WILL DICTATE HOW BIG A FOOTPRINT YOU'LL ACTUALLY END UP WITH AND AS.

AND IN THE SUMMARY AND IN THE PRESENTATION FLOOR AREA, AREA RATIO IS SAID TO BE REDUNDANT AND THEREFORE UNNECESSARY.

I DISAGREE.

WE HAVE THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT, WHICH IS GONNA BE HEAVILY IN INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA IS GONNA BE AFFECTED.

AND JUST LEAVE IT AT THOSE TWO ITEMS. IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER AREAS I'VE MENTIONED IN THE COUNTY FLOOR AREA RATIO CONTROLS THE SIZE OF BUILDINGS IS TRUE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, FLOOR AREA RATIO ENSURES THE BULK, THE BULK DENSITY INSIDE THE BUILDINGS ARE IN PROPORTION WITH THE LOT THE AREA AND IN PROPORTION WITH THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

HEIGHT LIMITS.

HEIGHT LIMITS HOW TALL, BUT FAILS TO LIMIT HOW MUCH IS INSIDE.

REMEMBER HEIGHT AND B THREE IS A HUNDRED FEET.

M1 AND TWO IS 60 AND 80 FEET DEPENDING ON FIRE PROTECTION.

THAT POTENTIALLY IS A LOT OF MULTI-LEVEL ON THE INSIDES OF THOSE BUILDINGS.

FLOOR AREA RATIO LIMITS ARE SPECIFIC AND DEPENDING ON WHAT ORDINANCE AREA THEY ARE IN.

AND THAT'S WHY EACH SEPARATE ORDINANCE HAS SEPARATE LIMITS.

POINT TWO FIVE, 0.4, 0.5 0.6.

AVERY POINT WAS BUILT WITHIN THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

BOND SECOURS.

AND WE KNOW WHAT PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH THOSE TWO AREAS ON FIRE AND RESCUE.

RESIDENCE INN WAS BUILT AT CAPITAL ONE WAS BUILT WITHIN THOSE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEY'RE HUGE.

IMAGINE IF YOU TAKE AWAY FLOOR AREA RATIO, THAT COULD BE AS MUCH AS DOUBLED IN SOME CASES.

SO WHY, WHY, WHY ARE THESE LIMITS IMPORTANT? WELL, IF YOU THINK ABOUT AN ACRE, IT'S 208 FEET BY 208 FEET.

B ONE IS 0.4 OR ABOUT 130 FEET BY 130 FEET.

THAT'S A PRETTY BIG FOOTPRINT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S 0.4 B THREE IS 0.6, THAT'S 160 FEET PER 160 FEET IN AN ACRE.

SO THE THE B ONE FOOTPRINT IS ABOUT 17,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE B THREE FOOTPRINT AT 0.6 IS ABOUT 25,600.

IF YOU REMOVE THE FAR LIMITS FROM B ONE, THAT 17,000 CAN BE DOUBLED OR TRIPLED UP TO 35 FEET BECAUSE YOU TAKE IT.

AND IF YOU GO TO A SECOND LEVEL, YOU HAVE TO HALF IT UNDER FAR.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, YOU CAN DOUBLE THE WHOLE THING.

B THREE IS 25,600 AND CAN BE DOUBLED.

DOUBLED AGAIN.

DOUBLED A THIRD TIME UP TO A HUNDRED FEET.

THAT'S ALMOST SKYSCRAPER TERRITORY FOR GLAND.

I'M SURE YOU KNOW THE COUNTY POPULATION IS 26,000 PEOPLE AND EVERY 260 PEOPLE IS EQUAL TO 1% OF THE POPULATION.

SO SMALL IMPACTS IN POPULATION IMPACT THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

THE TYPE OF BUSINESS AND INTERIOR LAYOUTS DETERMINES THE TOTAL NUMBER OF WORKERS, VENDORS, CUSTOMERS THAT WILL OCCUPY THE BUILDINGS ON ANY GIVEN DAY.

THE LARGER THE PROJECT, THE LARGER THE PEOPLE.

STATISTICALLY, MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE WORKING IN THESE BUILDINGS WILL NOT LIVE IN GLAND.

THEY WILL COMMUTE HERE AFFECTING TRAFFIC, FIRE, RESCUE, AND POLICE JUST LIKE RESIDENTS.

NOW, NO OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SPECIFICALLY LIMITS THE BULK AND INTERIOR AND TOTAL SIZE.

AND DOING, DOING THIS LIMIT HELPS MAINTAIN A RURAL CHARACTER CHARM AND HERITAGE.

DO YOU THINK REMOVING FAR LIMITS WILL INVITE DEVELOPERS TO KEEP BRINGING PROJECTS THAT ARE RIGHT SIZED IN SCOPE AND BULK BEFORE STAFF? OBVIOUSLY NOT.

DO OVERLY LARGE BUILDINGS ENHANCE RURAL CHARACTER AND HERITAGE? NO.

DOES THE AMENDMENT SATISFY A NEED OF THE COUNTY OR ITS CITIZENS? IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE HELP IN SOME CASES, BUT OVERALL IT'S, IT DOESN'T SATISFY A NEED.

DOES THE MINUTE SATISFY CREATING A CONVENIENCE? QUITE THE OPPOSITE.

IT IS A GOOD ZONING PRACTICE TO REMOVE

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TOOLS FROM YOUR TOOLBOX.

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY THEY'RE THERE.

I THINK YOU WOULD KNOW THAT BEFORE YOU TRY TO THROW ONE AWAY.

MATTER OF FACT, THIS AMENDMENT WILL MAKE PLANNING, STAFF PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS JOBS HARDER, NOT EASIER.

THERE'LL BE AN ENDLESS PARADE OF OVERSIZED BUILDINGS AND WHAT WILL BE YOUR TOOL TO CONTROL THEM.

IN CONCLUSION, I SAID THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO PURSUE A REMEDY, BUT LET'S KEEP OUR TOOLS INTACT.

HOW ABOUT DETERMINE WHAT HIS REAL FLOOR AREA RATIO IS? IT LOOKS LIKE WE SAW THAT IN, IN HIS LAYOUT.

DETERMINE THAT IMPACT AND FIX B ONE FAR ONLY IF THAT'S WHAT YOU DETERMINE NEEDS TO BE FIXED.

AN ECONOMIC DEVELOP INITIATIVE COUNTYWIDE SHOULD HAVE, IT SHOULD BE ITS OWN AMENDMENT, COME BEFORE YOU WITH THE PROPER JUSTIFICATIONS AND VOTE ON IT UP OR DOWN FOR THAT REASON.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT COMES DOWN TO WHO'S GONNA BEAR THE COST OF THIS CHANGE.

THE DEVELOPER'S GONNA BE BENEFIT FINANCIALLY BECAUSE HE CAN KEEP HIS ORIGINAL PLAN, HE CAN GET HIS TENANT, AND IT'S A COUNTY THAT'S GONNA PAY THE PRICE COUNTYWIDE BECAUSE WE CHOSE NOT TO STICK TO KEEPING OUR TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX.

FOR THOSE REASONS THAT I'VE STATED, PLEASE CONSIDER DENY THIS AMENDMENT AND DIRECT A DEVELOPER TO MODIFY HIS CARVE OUT AND FIX HIS OWN PROBLEM OR DEFER IN DIRECT PROPER B ONE EVALUATION AND FIX B ONE ONLY.

THAT'S A PROPORTIONAL RESPONSE TO A SMALL PROBLEM.

MY NAME IS PAUL COSTELLO AND I LIVE AT 2 0 1 1 SYCAMORE CREEK DRIVE IN MANNEQUIN SABO.

AND I'M HERE TONIGHT REPRESENTING MY NEIGHBORS WHO CANNOT BE HERE.

UM, AS MR. WILLIAMSON EXPLAINED, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IS A TOOL THAT HELPS PRESENT THE CLEAREST PICTURE OF SITE DEVELOPMENT.

IN PRACTICE.

FLOOR RATIOS AFFECT VOLUME, SHAPE AND SPACING OF BILLION OF BUILDINGS ON A SPECIFIC SITE.

THE LARGER THE FAR, THE LARGER THE BUILDING CAN BE.

UNDERSTANDING FLOOR AREA RATIO IS A BASIC REQUIREMENT FOR SITE DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THERE IS A MASTER PLAN OR NOT.

ZONING CODES IDENTIFY WHAT THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IS FOR VARIOUS DISTRICTS, DEPENDING ON THE DISTRICT SPECIFIC PROPERTY CONDITIONS AND PROPOSED BUILDING USES.

FOR INSTANCE, THE SITE ZONED AS B ONE COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT FLOOR RATIO THAN A SITE ZONED M1.

AS MR. WILLIAMSON POINTED OUT, GZ CAN USE ITS FLOOR AREA RATIO TOOL TO HELP ACHIEVE THE DESIRED INTENSITY OF USE FOR A SITE.

REMOVING THE FAR ORDINANCE WILL DIMINISH THE COUNTY'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION TO AN APPLICANT WHO WISHES TO PURSUE A COMMERCIAL PROJECT.

INTENSITY OF LAND DEVELOPMENT WILL DETERMINE THE CHARACTER OF GLAND IN THE LOAD ON COUNTY SERVICES.

THEREFORE, IT IS NECESSARY TO HAVE A FAR ORDINANCE TO HELP GUIDE DESIRABLE LIMITS OF BUILDING INTENSITY.

ORDINANCES AND ZONING REGS SHOULD NOT BE VIEWED AS AN IMPEDIMENT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT RATHER AS USEFUL TOOLS TO ATTRACT THE DESIRED SCALE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT'S RIGHT FOR GLAND COUNTY.

OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO CONSIDER IF A REQUEST FOR POTENTIALLY LARGE SCALE BULKY BUILDINGS SHOULD BE APPROVED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OR NOT.

COMPLETE ELIMINATION OF THIS COUNTYWIDE ORDINANCE WOULD UNDERMINE THIS IMPORTANT DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

REMOVING A COUNTYWIDE ORDINANCE AS A WAY TO RESPOND TO EXTRA ATTIC'S DESIRE FOR A BIGGER BULKIER BUILDING SEEMS EXTREME AND UNNECESSARY.

THERE ARE SIMPLE WAYS AS BEEN DISCUSSED THAT THIS COULD BE ADDRESSED.

IN SUMMARY, THE APPLICANT AND PLANNING STAFF HAVE FAILED TO PROVIDE A CLEAR AND RELEVANT RATIONALE AS TO WHY GLAND SHOULD DELETE ITS COUNTYWIDE FLOOR AREA RATIO ORDINANCE.

PLEASE DENY THIS REQUEST.

IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE IT MAKES SENSE TO LET THEM COMBINE A WHOLE PROJECT, VARIOUS PARCELS INTO ONE REQUIREMENT.

GOOD NIGHT EVERYBODY.

IT'S BEDTIME.

WE'RE ALL STARVING.

SO I'M ONLY GONNA SAY A COUPLE THINGS.

UM, IN ALL HONESTY, I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THIS MEETING LATE THIS AFTERNOON.

ADDRESS IS, OH, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? I FORGOT MY NAME, NAME AND ADDRESS.

ALL RIGHT.

IT'S CARLY NINO.

I'M AT 1510 OAK GROVE DRIVE.

OKAY, I'LL RESTART.

SORRY ABOUT THAT GUYS.

UM, SO TODAY'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE PUT ANY THOUGHT INTO THIS PIECE OF REGULATION, THE MAXIMUM AREA, FLOOR, AREA RATIO.

BUT IN FIVE MINUTES I WAS ABLE TO PULL UP THE CODE AND IT'S TRULY THE THIRD LITTLE PART ON THE PRINCIPAL AREA USE AND RESTRICTIONS, UM, RIGHT AFTER MINIMUM LOT AREA AND MINIMUM LOT FRONTAGE.

I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME THAT THE GUYS THAT DO THIS FOR A LIVING DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT WHEN IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP.

UM, AND OFF THE BAT, THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MY MIND IS THAT GOOSE LIMB WANTS TO MAINTAIN A VILLAGE.

LOOK, IT MAY NOT,

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BUT WHEN YOU VISUALIZE THAT, YOU CAN SEE IT DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH GLAND'S DESIRE TO MAINTAIN THAT LOOK, YOU'RE KILLING GREEN SPACE IN BETWEEN THOSE BUILDINGS.

MY INITIAL THOUGHT BEFORE I STARTED LISTENING TO THE APPLICANT SPEAK WAS, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU ABANDON THE LOT LINES? TURN IT INTO ONE PARCEL.

WELL, I LEARNED THE REASON WHY THEY DON'T WANNA DO THAT IS 'CAUSE THEY WANNA SELL OFF THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS TO THE TENANTS.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD ABANDON A CODE SO THAT, UM, A ONE OFF OR EVERY NOW AND THEN, UM, DEVELOPER COULD DO THAT.

I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO THEM TO BE ABLE TO SELL OFF THE PARCELS.

UM, BUT I ALSO HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT THE COUNTY CREATED A ZONE, A CODE INCLUDED THIS, PUT ALL THIS WORK INTO IT AND HADN'T THOUGHT IT THROUGH.

I JUST, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD THROW THAT AWAY ON ONE APPLICATION, UM, WITHOUT ENOUGH DATA TO EVEN KNOW.

AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT MINIMUM LAW AREA SETBACKS.

THOSE THINGS ARE NOT GONNA FULLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT GOLAND WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE VILLAGE.

LOOK.

UM, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ALMOST LIKE AN AIR RAID.

LIKE THERE'S DROPPING A BIG BOMB ON YOU GUYS.

LIKE JUST GET RID OF IT COMPLETELY.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE SHOULD DO IT.

I THINK TAKING AN INDIVIDUALIZED APPROACH IS GONNA MEET THE COUNTY'S GOALS BETTER OVERALL, WHETHER THEY'RE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR PART OF THE VILLAGE PLAN TO LOOK MORE LIKE HOW WE WANT IT TO LOOK VERSUS BEING BIG CONGLOMERATES OF BUILDINGS TOGETHER THAT ARE TREATED AS A ONE PARCEL WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT.

I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS THAT THE APPLICANTS CAN GO ABOUT THAT, UM, THAT MIGHT BE MORE TIME CONSUMING FOR THEM, BUT BETTER FOR THE COUNTY.

MY NAME'S STEVE LEVITT.

I LIVE AT, UH, 70 36 BEN HALL CIRCLE.

I'VE SPENT PROBABLY TWO HOURS TALKING WITH JA UH, WITH MS. SHERRY AND MR. CASH REGARDING THIS ISSUE.

AND FUNDAMENTALLY, I I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHY DOES SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN GOOCHLAND, HE DOES NOT REPRESENT ANY LANDOWNER AND HE A HE'S, HE, HE'S, HE DOESN'T HAVE A STANDING TO COME INTO GLAND AND SAY, LET, I THINK GLAND SHOULD CHANGE ITS RULES THAT THAT JUST, IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IN A COURT OF LAW, HE WOULDN'T HAVE STANDING.

BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE WHEN THIS, WHEN THIS, UM, PARCEL WAS ZONED PURCHASED BY MR. FARMER, THEY PLANNED TO PUT THE EXTRA ATTIC AND TYLER, UH, TYLER YOUNG, AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT ANOTHER ONE UP THERE.

AND THEN THEY DECIDE, OKAY, WELL WE WANNA BUY THE LOTS AND, AND SUBDIVIDE IT.

AND IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT IN THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT ANYTHING.

AND I THINK DOING A COUNTYWIDE MASSIVE CHANGE IN THE, IN THE ZONING THE ORDINANCE IS, IS OUT OF ORDER.

UM, THERE OUGHT TO BE ANOTHER WAY WHICH THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH THEIR GOALS, GETTING A VARIANCE OR, OR COMING TO SOME OTHER ARRANGEMENT WHERE WE DO IT FOR JUST THIS ONE PARCEL, IF THAT'S WHAT THE TENANTS AND THE OR THE OWNERS WANT TO DO.

BUT TO CHANGE EVERYTHING, I THINK IS, IS WAY OUTTA LINE.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, THE PARCELS ON THE, UH, JOHNSON ROAD, ASHLAND ROAD SECTION OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE, WHICH HAVE BEEN, UH, APPROVED.

THERE'S WITH SECTION FIVE OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE, THEN THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT TO PUT SOME OTHER, UH, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL TYPE PAR PARCELS THERE.

AND IF YOU STRIP AWAY SOME OF THE ZONING AND THE REQUIREMENTS, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA GO THERE AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

YOU NEED THOSE TOOLS TO RESTRICT THE CONTROL AND GUIDE THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND I WOULD, UH, I I WOULD ASK THAT YOU, UH, DO NOT PASS THIS, UH, THIS REQUEST.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

AND I THINK THAT ANOTHER SOLUTION FOR THEIR PROBLEM NEEDS TO, NEEDS TO BE ARRIVED AT.

THIS IS NOT THE SOLUTION TO GUT, UH, GUT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY'S BEEN USING ACROSS MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE TYPES OF, OF ZONING.

GLAND AND TO FACILITATE HIGH QUALITY GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.

MARGARET LEVITT, 70 36 BEN HALL CIRCLE.

AS AN ENGAGED CITIZEN OF GLAND, I WAS PLEASED TO LEARN BY VIEWING THE VIDEO FROM THE RETREAT HELD IN JANUARY, THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROTECTING THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS OF

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GIVEN THIS RESPONSIBILITY, I AM SKEPTICAL AND CONCERNED WITH THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO ELIMINATE THE FLOOR AREA RA RATIO ZONING TOOL COUNTYWIDE.

WHILE CITIZENS ARE BEING TOLD THE ELIMINATION OF THE ZONING TOOL TOOL WILL HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT, WHY SPEND ALL THIS TIME AND MONEY TO DO SO? I WOULD SUGGEST YOU, AS OUR REPRESENTATIVE SHOULD BE GUARDED WHEN IT COMES TO ELIMINATING A ZONING TOOL THAT IS USED TO, AND I QUOTE, PLAN FOR AND REGULATE THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPABLE DENSITY.

AS ZONING GUARDRAILS ARE ELIMINATED, CITIZENS HAVE FOUND THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE CAN BE SEVERELY IMPACTED.

FOR INSTANCE, THE CITY OF RICHMOND HAS DONE AWAY WITH REQUIRING A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES BASED ON THE SIZE OF A BUILDING, CREATING A NIGHTMARE FOR RESIDENTS LIVING AROUND WEST HAMPTON BAKERY AT LIBYAN PATTERSON, WHERE DEVELOPERS ARE SEEKING TO ERECT A FOUR STORY BUILDING WITH NO VIABLE PLANS FOR PARKING.

AS I WATCH DEVELOPMENT IN HENRICO, STRUCTURES ARE BUILT WITH NO OR MINIMAL BUFFERS RIGHT NEXT TO MAJOR ROADWAYS PRESENTING A VERY REAL SAFETY CONCERN AND IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.

AS A CITIZEN LIVING IN PARKSIDE VILLAGE, LOCATED IN DISTRICT FOUR, I UNDERSTAND ALL TOO WELL, WE ARE IN THE BULLSEYE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

I'M EAGER TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY FOR A SENSIBLE AND BALANCED APPROACH TO SUCH GROWTH.

AND TO THAT END, I DO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU DENY THIS APPLICATION.

SO SOME COMMENTS OFF THE CUFF.

UM, IF YOU WANNA BRING THINGS BACK TO GLAND PARKING AT THE MEDICAL BUILDING, I BELIEVE VIRGINIA UROLOGY IS LOCATED THERE ON BROAD STREET.

THEY HAVEN'T EVEN LEASED OUT ALL THOSE PARCELS.

PARKING IS ALREADY AN ISSUE.

THEY'RE PARKING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOW I WONDER THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PARCEL NEAR PARKSIDE, WHICH YOU ALL SHOULD UNDERSTAND AND REMEMBER, THE CITIZENS OF PARKSIDE VILLAGE WORKED WITH COMMITTEES WITH THE APPLICANT.

AND I FEEL THAT THEY WORKED WITH US IN A DISINGENUOUS MANNER BECAUSE I WONDER WHAT ARE THEIR REAL PLANS FOR THAT PARCEL? IT'S VERY INVASIVE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE, WE, IT IS ACCESSED THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY, NOT OFF POUNCEY TRACK.

SO THE REASON WE WERE AMENABLE TEXTURE ATTIC WAS LOW TRAFFIC.

SO WHAT'S GONNA CHANGE IN THE FUTURE? JUST LIKE WITH THE, UH, WEDDING VENUE, THEY COME IN HERE WITH ONE APPLICATION, CITIZENS HAD NO INPUT WITH THE CHANGES THAT YOU MADE, WHICH WERE SIGNIFICANT.

SO I WANTED TO START OFF THE NEW YEAR POSITIVELY WORKING TO BETTER THE COUNTY.

AND I'M FRUSTRATED BECAUSE CITIZENS ARE KIND OF LEFT OUT THE PROCESS AND THEY'RE DEALT WITH IN A DISINGENUOUS MANNER.

AND THEN WE COULD CARVE UP THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS AND THEY COULD SELL THOSE OUT.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING.

ANDREW BROWNING.

9 2 3 STONE CASTLE DRIVE.

I GUESS I CALLED ALL THIS PROBLEM.

UM, SO I'VE BEEN PRACTICING ENGINEERING IN GLAND COUNTY FOR 20 YEARS AT LEAST.

AND THE FAR HAS BEEN IN THE ORDINANCE AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER.

AND SO MOST OF THE TIME IT WAS JUST A NUMBER WE PUT ON THE COVER OF THE PLAN AND IT WAS NEVER AN ISSUE.

AND SO, UM, THIS IS THE ONLY INSTANCE THAT I'VE EVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT, HONESTLY.

AND SO WE DID KNOW IT WAS THERE.

WE DID KNOW WE HAD TO MEET IT.

THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER IS 0.399 THAT WENT IN WITH HIS ZONING.

WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW IS HOW IT WAS INTERPRETED.

AND SO I, I INTERPRETED IT AS MR. CASH INTERPRETED THAT IT WOULD GO WITH THAT SITE.

AND SO WE COULD, YOU KNOW, COME IN AND SUBDIVIDE COMMERCIALLY.

AND AS LONG AS WE MET IT AS A WHOLE, IT MET THE FAR.

AND SO I, I ASKED RAY THAT QUESTION AND HE THOUGHT, AS I THOUGHT, BUT THEN AS WE DOVE INTO IT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ORDINANCE REALLY SAYS.

AND SO AGAIN, WE, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS CARVE OUT THOSE THREE PARCELS AND HAVE THREE SEPARATE OWNERS.

UM, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PULL THE WOOL OVER ANYBODY'S EYES.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THE PLAN.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING DISINGENUOUS.

UH, IT JUST, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE CAME OUT, THIS IS HOW IT CAME ABOUT.

UM, NOT TRYING TO, UH, BE DISRESPECTFUL COMPARING US TO HENRI, TO HANOVER COUNTY, BUT IN HANOVER COUNTY, WE DID SOMETHING RECENTLY LIKE THIS AND THEY WOULD LOOK AT THAT AS A WHOLE.

AND THEN THE WHOLE COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION OR THE PARCEL MEETS ALL THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, BUFFERS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

AND THEN YOU CAN GO IN INTERNALLY AND CARVE OUT LOT LINES HOWEVER YOU SEE FIT AND THOSE, AND YOU CAN SELL THOSE PARCELS AND THEY CAN BE RIGHT ALONG A BUILDING.

THE BUILDING SETBACKS AREN'T, DO NOT HAVE TO BE MET FROM THE INTERNAL PARCEL LINES.

UH, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE WOULD DO THE OVERALL

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WHERE I SEE THAT COULD BE IN LIKE, MAYBE LIKE WHERE TOWN AND COUNTRY IS AND ROCCO'S AND TAYLOR'S, IF THAT WERE ONE AND THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND INDIVIDUALLY SELL SOME OF THOSE OUT, THEY COULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FAR REQUIREMENTS DEPENDING ON HOW THEY PARCELED THEM.

UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW THAT WAS THERE.

I GUESS WE MISINTERPRETED IT.

UH, THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE ASKING FOR THE CHANGE.

AND IT WAS NOT OUR IDEA TO CHANGE ALL OF THE ORDINANCE AND ALL THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE MPUD, I MEAN THE M1, M TWO, B ONE, B TWO.

WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE INTERPRETATION WAS ON THIS ONE.

IS THERE AN EXCEPTION PROCESS? CAN WE JUST CHANGE IT FOR B ONE? AND THEN WE, THE COUNTY SUGGESTED WE MAKE THE OTHER CHANGES.

SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY, THAT THAT'S HOW THIS AROSE AND THAT WAS HOW IT BECAME.

AND I GUESS IT TURNED IN A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WE'RE PRACTICAL PROBLEM SOLVERS.

ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC.

THE A WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.

I'LL, I'LL TRY AND MAKE THIS REALLY SHORT.

I KNOW WE ALL WANT TO GO HOME.

UH, UM, I DID WANT TO JUST REITERATE, AND ACTUALLY I'M GONNA CORRECT ANDREW FOR A SECOND.

UH, I THINK THAT THE ORDINANCE IS, IS STILL AMBIGUOUS AS TO ACTUALLY HOW FAR IS TO BE APPLIED.

IT DOES NOT SAY PER PARCEL.

IT DOES NOT SAY PER PROJECT.

THAT'S REALLY THE PROBLEM.

AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TO RESPOND TO ANYBODY WHO THOUGHT ANYBODY SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS A MILE AWAY, UH, YOU'RE THE, THE PLANNING STAFF HERE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW OR AGREE.

UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT, IT WAS A FORESEEABLE ISSUE THAT THE DEVELOPER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PLAN AROUND.

UM, IN FACT, IT WAS JUST THE OPPOSITE.

THE DEVELOPER TRIED TO PLAN AROUND IT AND, AND THOUGHT IT THE REQUIREMENT WAS BEING MET.

UM, THE OTHER THING I WANNA SAY, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT FOCUSING ON HOW THIS IS AT A PROPOSED AMENDMENT COMING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY OR A SINGLE DEVELOPER.

JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A SINGLE INSTANCE THAT GIVES RISE TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOOKING AT MAKING A CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE THAT COMES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT'S PRO-DEVELOPMENT NECESSARILY.

AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT JUST ABOUT EVERY CHANGE THAT'S EVER MADE TO ORDINANCES COMES FROM SOME SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.

AT SOME POINT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO JUST SIT AROUND DREAMING UP NEW THINGS UNLESS THERE'S A PRACTICAL PROBLEM.

SO WE SEE A PROBLEM, WE TRY TO SOLVE IT.

THAT'S REALLY ALL THIS WAS.

WE WERE WORKING WITH THE STAFF TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

AS I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING, THERE ARE OTHER POSSIBILITIES HERE THAT MIGHT NOT BE AS EXPANSIVE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE FEEDBACK WE'RE HEARING PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXPANSIVENESS OF THIS AMENDMENT.

I'M FINE AS THE APPLICANT WITH LOOKING AT WAYS TO SCALE IT BACK.

AS I SAID, I WAS LOOKING AT JUST APPLYING THIS TO, UM, REALLY CLARIFYING HOW FAR IS APPLIED ON A PER PROJECT BASIS VERSUS PER PARCEL.

UM, THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUE FOR ME AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

ALSO, AS MR. CASH POINTED OUT, ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO JUST ALLOW THERE TO BE A WAY TO ASK FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE FAR.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT CURRENTLY IN THE COUNTY ORDINANCE.

SO YEAH, I'M OPEN TO TALKING ABOUT OTHER OPTIONS AND UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACTLY THIS WAY AND MY EXPERIENCE, USUALLY WHEN THE COUNTY STAFF RECOMMENDS A CERTAIN PATH, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO FOLLOW WHAT THE COUNTY STAFF RECOMMENDS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID HERE.

WELL, THANK YOU.

GOING IN AND CHANGING ALL THESE OTHER AREAS, UH, YOU, YOU CREATE ISSUES AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE YET UNTIL THEY COME UP.

IN RESPONSE TO THAT, WE ARE HERE ONLY DEALING WITH THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT TO THE COUNTYWIDE ORDINANCE.

WE'RE NOT REALLY DEALING WITH A SPECIFIC APPLICATION.

WE'RE DEALING WITH A COUNTYWIDE ORDINANCE.

AND UNLESS YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW THIS, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT AS IT'S PRESENTED DEALING WITH ALL, ALL THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

UM, I WANNA THANK THE CITIZENS WHO SPOKE TONIGHT.

I THINK THEY WERE VERY ARTICULATE.

THEY HAD REALLY DONE THEIR RESEARCH.

UM, AND IT JUST SHOWS TO ME HOW MUCH THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY.

UM, I THINK THEY PRESENTED A LOT OF INFORMATION, UH, AND REALLY DISSECTED THIS MORE FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT, AND I WON'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD, BUT FROM WHAT THE BOARD KNEW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO DO, UH, THEY REALLY, UH, CARVED IT UP WELL.

UH, AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, UH, I DON'T LIKE VOTING ON STUFF WHEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW.

AND YEAH, ONCE YOU START

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AND THEN A LOT OF TIMES BY THEN IT'S TOO LATE.

SO, UH, IT IS MY FEELING THAT, UH, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, COUNTYWIDE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED SHOULD BE, UH, DENIED.

AND WHAT ELSE? DISCUSSION, I GUESS MR. CAN, CAN YOU, THIS CAN'T BE SOLVED.

WE, WE, SO I'M NOT, NOT NECESSARILY THINKING ABOUT THEIR PROBLEM, BUT THE, WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO, BEING AS THOMAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT.

IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY OF GETTING AROUND THIS ISSUE OTHER THAN THE COUNTY DOING THE COUNTYWIDE CASE BASIS? YEAH.

UH, UH, AGAIN, THAT WOULD ALSO INVOLVE A CODE AMENDMENT.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT DOWN.

WE COULD DO THE, THE PROJECT BASIS.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT WHEN WE, WHEN YOUR BASE DISTRICTS EASY TO DO THAT IN OUR PUD AND PUD.

UM, THERE'S A WAY ALSO YOU CAN JUST BUILD IN THE EXCEPTION, UM, REALLY COMES DOWN TO IS, UM, AND THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE WITH PLANNING COMMISSIONER OR THE BOARD AND, AND AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT, UM, IS TO SAY, HOW, IS THERE A CRITERIA WE WANT? IS THERE A WAY THAT WE SHOULD DO THIS? DOES IT NEED TO COME THROUGH A ZONING PROCESS? UM, IF IT'S ALREADY A BASE ZONING, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY THAT, UM, WE CAN JUST BUILD IN AN EXCEPTION UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES? SO THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS TO TAKE IT DOWN.

I'D BE HAPPIER FROM THE COMMISSION.

WHICH ONE YOU, YOU'D KIND OF BE COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, TO DO THAT? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNFORTUNATE.

IT'S THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS KIND OF SET UP.

YOU CERTAINLY HAVE CERTAIN STANDARDS IN THERE.

WE JUST DON'T REALLY HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO WORK OUT.

NOW THAT'S NOT ALWAYS A BAD THING.

UH, AGAIN, YOU WANNA HAVE STANDARDS, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE, THIS IS, I AGREE, I AGREE WITH EVERYONE HERE.

THIS IS OUR EXPECTATIONS.

UM, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT MAYBE IT'S A GOOD WAY WE CAN BUILD IN, UM, AN EXCEPTION PROCESS.

AND, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, IF, I DON'T KNOW IF I ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WERE, THEY WANNA DEFER THAT WE COULD AMEND THE REQUEST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO COME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, FOR THAT.

BUT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, GET UP TO Y'ALL.

I GUESS I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS IF, YOU KNOW THE, THE, THE, THE CASE AS IT STANDS CHANGING THE, THE ENTIRE SOMETHING COUNTYWIDE.

, IF WE'RE ADDRESSING THE, THE APPLICANT'S OTHER PROJECT THAT AS A WHOLE FITS AND DUE TO THE DIVISION, IT, IT DOESN'T WHERE TWO OR WELL EXCEED THE, THE FAR RIGHT AND THE ONE IS JUST OVER MM-HMM.

, I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE, WE, WE HEAR THAT AT, AT A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT CASE.

, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WOULD BE THE EXCEPTION.

OR WHATEVER METHOD STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WORK WITH TO COME BACK.

SO CERTAIN PROJECTS AND AS PRESENTED TO US, LIKE MR. ROCK, CHARLIE'S THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL BASED ON WHAT IT, WHAT IT IS.

BUT I MEAN, YEAH, I WOULD OPPORTUNITY, I MEAN I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THIS IS RAISED ISSUES MM-HMM.

AND, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED, BUT IT CAN'T BE ADDRESSED WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON RIGHT NOW.

NOW I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE THE COUNTY TO, TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND, UH, I MEAN WE HAVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR ALMOST ALL OF OUR PROJECTS AND I THINK A WAY TO DIAL OUT ON A SPECIFIC PROJECT AND A CERTAIN DISTRICT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A WAY TO DO THAT AND NOT HAVE TO AFFECT EVERYTHING COUNTYWIDE ALL THE TIME.

A BUILDING WITH A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT.

I FULLY, IT'S DEFINITELY UNDERSTANDS MR. MM-HMM.

, THE FAR REQUIREMENT BE MORE OF A PROBLEM FOR A, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROJECT OR A COMMERCIAL PROJECT.

UM, TRUTHFULLY, UH, WE DON'T APPLY 'EM IN OUR RESIDENTIAL YES THOUGHT.

BUT, UM, UH, AGAIN, YEAH, THE SAME REGULATIONS AND RESIDENTIAL HEIGHT, SETBACKS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE JUST DON'T APPLY THAT.

UM, WHAT COMES IN THERE IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT USE ON THE LOT OF MULTIFAMILY.

NOW FAR IS USED A LOT OF TIMES IN INTENSE DISTRICTS AND IN FACT WE REFERENCE FAR AND OUR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY.

UM, SO IT'S UTILIZED IN BOTH WAYS.

UM, OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T DO THAT.

IT DISTINGUISHES BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL FOR THAT.

I'M STILL TRYING TO RECONCILE IN MY MIND, UM, WHAT THE REAL USE OF IT.

AND I HATE TO BELIEVE IT.

THIS IS THIS BIG, 'CAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO HOME AND , BUT FOR MY OWN INFORMATION, LET'S CONSIDER A 10,000

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NOW, OR, OR TWO BUILDINGS BOTH WITH 10,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT, BOTH 30 FEET HIGH.

OKAY? ONE OF THEM HAS ONE FLOOR, THE OTHER ONE HAS THREE FLOORS RIGHT NOW, THE ONE WITH ONE FLOORS WOULD ONLY BE USEFUL IN SAY A MANUFACTURING PLANT WHERE YOU NEED OVERHEAD CRANES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? SO YOU NEED A HIGH CEILING, RIGHT? MM-HMM, .

BUT THE THREE STORE BUILDING WOULD MORE LIKELY BE A RESIDENTIAL, SOMETHING LIKE APARTMENT COMPLEX, RIGHT? OR AN OFFICE, EVEN IF YOU WANT COMMERCIAL SCENARIO, RIGHT? RIGHT.

MM-HMM, .

SO THE IMPACT OR BULK ON THE LAND IS THE SAME.

AND SO, BUT, BUT YOU GET THE FLOOR AREAS DISTINCTION.

BUT ONE OF THEM WOULD HAVE A, WOULD HAVE AN FAR THREE TIMES AS HIGH AS THE OTHER ONE.

AND, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF BASED ON, AND, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU COME INTO IS PARKING, SETBACKS, EVERYTHING ELSE GOES IN THERE.

THE BUILDING ITSELF IS THE SAME.

SO YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE SCENARIOS THAT CAME UP TONIGHT, WELL, YOU HAVE 10,000.

OKAY, IF THAT 10, 30,000 RIGHT.

AND 30,000 OF A USER THAT'S OFFICE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR WHATEVER ELSE.

AND I'VE PROVIDED THOSE EXAMPLES AROUND HERE, YOU END UP HAVING, YOU GOTTA PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING, YOU GOTTA DO ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THE, THE MORE TO LIMIT WHAT THE AVAIL, THE USEFULNESS OF THAT LOT IS.

SO THOSE TOOLS ARE ALREADY THERE.

VERSUS FAR.

NOW AGAIN, THAT'S, WHICH IS FARI HAVE SEEN IT IN ORDINANCES, YOU KNOW, BROAD, LIKE, NOT, NOT COUNTIES, NOT RURAL COUNTIES.

IT'S OVER.

AND WHEN YOU GET INTO TYPICALLY STUFF LIKE URBAN AREAS AND STUFF, BECAUSE THAT'S A TOOL THAT YOU CAN START CALCULATING, UM, HOW MANY UNITS YOU ANTICIPATE.

I ALWAYS WONDER HOW YOU REALLY DO THAT BECAUSE THOSE UNITS GET SMALLER AND SMALLER, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET INTO SUBURBAN TYPE AREAS.

BUT THAT WAS THE CONCEPT.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A BUILDING, YOU THINK OF ITS FORM.

AND I WOULD SAY A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU GET INTO FORM-BASED CODE AND THOSE TYPE THINGS, AND EVEN LIKE WE THINK OF OUR, UM, DESIGN DISTRICTS, I'M NOT SO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE BUILDING AS LONG AS IT LOOKS RIGHT.

THAT'S FORM-BASED CODE.

UM, INCENTIVE ZONING IS, YOU KNOW, THE MORE YOU PUT IN THAT BUILDING, THE OTHER TYPES SET, UM, OFFSETS YOU CAN GET, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GIVE US MORE, RATHER IF YOU GIVE US MORE OPEN SPACE, YOU CAN GO TALLER.

THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ZONING PLAYS AND THOSE WHERE FAR PAYS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A ROLE, UM, VERSUS BASE DISTRICT.

SO AGAIN, IT'S, I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO PERSPECTIVE.

I THINK THE BUILDING SIZE IS ONE THING.

WHAT'S INSIDE OF IT AFFECTS PARKING.

THE BUILDING SIZE BASIS.

IT COULD BE, IT CAN'T BE ABOVE 30 FEET.

WE'RE NOT GONNA LET YOU GO TO 40 FEET JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING A DIFFERENT USE.

SO YEAH, THERE, THERE'S, AND AGAIN, THERE'S ALWAYS DIFFERENT WAYS CAN SKIN THE CAT AND WE CAN ALWAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, COME BACK.

UM, UH, IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE APPLICANT.

THERE IS A, THERE IS A CONCERN THAT THEY DO HAVE.

I DO RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THE PERCEPTION IS, IS THAT WE'RE TAKING A BIGGER SWING TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

UM, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WITH EVERY APPLICATION, WE'RE NOT SETTING PEOPLE UP TO COME THROUGH A ADDITIONAL PROCESS THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO.

AND IT'S HARD TO DO ON A BASE REZONING, BUT THAT'S HOW WE'D HAVE TO WORK TO MAKE SURE WE DO THAT.

IF, IF, IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD OR IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING, MAY, MAY I JUST SAY ONE THING THAT MAY HELP MR. RACKER, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT IF YOU WANTED TO WITHDRAW, I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY THAT WE'VE REACHED AT THAT POINT, BUT IF A DEFERRAL WOULD HELP AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH ME AND THE STAFF MORE ABOUT THIS AND A WAY THAT WE COULD AMEND THE CASE, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO, TO TALK ABOUT IT AND LOOK AT ANOTHER OPTION THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE SURGICAL HERE.

AND I'M, I'M JUST OFFERING THAT UP.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK PEOPLE HAVE RAISED THEIR, THEIR QUESTIONS AND THEIR CONCERNS.

AND AS I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IT WASN'T MY INTENTION TO MAKE THIS AS BROAD REACHING AS IT HAS, UM, UH, BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE YOU.

BUT AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST IT.

I REALLY THOUGHT THAT WE HAD, UH, WE HAD SUPPORTIVE STAFF AND IT SEEMED LIKE THIS WAS WORTH GIVING IT A SHOT.

I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT OTHER OPTIONS AND IF DEFERRING WOULD HELP YOU, I'M OPEN TO IT, BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A COMMITMENT THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA WORK TOGETHER, TALK ABOUT IT, AND REALLY TRY TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

OTHERWISE YOU MAY

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AS WELL NOT DEFER IT.

WELL, DENYING IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T COME BACK AND CAN, THAT YOU CAN'T.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND, AND YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE EVERYBODY'S COMING FROM.

SO I THINK IT GIVES YOU A CLEAR ROAD.

MAYBE NOT AN EASY ROAD OR MAYBE A BUMPY ROAD.

YES SIR.

A ROAD TO GO.

I DO.

I I APPRECIATE THAT.

I DO THINK WE COULD CHANGE IT, YOU KNOW, TO AT LEAST IS TO ADDRESS WHAT, WHAT I THINK THE BIG CONCERN IN IS, WHICH IS REALLY JUST AN INTERPRETATION AND APPLICATION CONCERN.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY EASY FIX THAT COULD BE VERY SURGICAL AND ADDRESS SO MANY OF THE WHAT IFS THAT PEOPLE HAVE RAISED.

UM, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I MENTIONED THE DEFERRAL, THAT WE COULD PROBABLY WORK THAT OUT IN A MONTH.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU GUYS MAKE THE DECISIONS.

SO , I'M, I'M JUST OFFERING IT UP IN AN EFFORT TO BE COOPERATIVE AND TRY TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY.

YOU HAVE THE MOTION.

UH, OKAY, I'LL GIVE YOU A BREAK.

I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER RECOMMEND DEFERRAL TO THE APRIL MEETING OF ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 0 8 20 23 0 0 0 2 TO REMOVE MAXIMUM FLOOR AIR RATIO AND BNB ONE, B THREE, M1 AND M TWO ZONING TO THE APRIL MEETING.

WHY NOT MARCH? GIVE HIM TWO MONTHS.

YOU WON'T BE HERE.

SECOND, HAVE CONVERSATIONS.

I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, TO, TO TAKE A COUPLE STABS.

UM, IF, IF, IF FROM STAFF.

I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE.

I MEAN, IF, IF POSSIBLE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER TIMELINE.

SO WE HAVE TIME TO MAKE SURE WE WAS THAT A MOTION TO DO THAT AND OKAY.

AND SECOND, ALL FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

I'M GONNA LEAVE MY BUSINESS CARD HERE.

MEETING ADJOURNED.

MR. CHARLIE, WE HAVE OTHER, OTHER BUSINESS.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

ALRIGHT, OPEN IT BACK OUT.

WE'LL PUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK UP FOR ADDIT.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

HEY, WHAT ARE WE DOING? CLICK ON THE HAMMER.

WE DIDN'T FINISH MEETING'S BACK TO ORDER.

STOP, STOP, STOP.

WE DIDN'T FINISH OUR MEETING.

WE FINISHED IT.

WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE MEETING.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A, UM, PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.

MR. COSTELLO WAS STILL, WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING.

SO WE UH, INADVERTENTLY CLOSE THE MEETING TOO SOON, SO I'LL OPEN IT BACK UP AGAIN.

WE, WE ARE AT OTHER BUSINESS.

WE DO HAVE A DIRECTOR UPDATE THAT MS. SHERRY'S GONNA PROVIDE.

THANK MR. CHAIRMAN.

SORRY.

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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'M

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SORRY.

THIS IS NOT A NORMAL THING THAT WE HAVE.

THIS IS ONLY OUR SECOND TIME OF DOING THE DIRECTOR UPDATE.

I'LL MAKE IT VERY QUICK.

I KNOW EVERYONE'S REALLY TIRED.

THIS IS TAKING PLACE IN, UM, UM, AS UH, KIND OF A REPLACEMENT OF OUR PRE-MEETING THAT USED TO HAVE.

SIR, COULD YOU TAKE YOUR CONVERSATION OUTSIDE? THERE'S, SORRY, THERE'S CHAOS.

UM, SO WE HAVE ON THE, ON THE, UM, ON THE SCREEN I HAVE WHAT I'M ABOUT TO READ.

LAST YEAR I KIND OF, I MEAN LAST YEAR, LAST UM, MONTH I READ IT.

AND THIS IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF FOLKS AT HOME.

JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL A QUICK UPDATE.

AT THE FEBRUARY 6TH MEETING, THERE WAS NO PUBLIC HEARING, SO I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT ON THAT ONE.

UM, COMING UP IN MARCH, WE DO HAVE THREE APPLICATIONS.

UH, WE HAVE, UM, CHARLES SUTTON, UH, THIS IS IN DISTRICT ONE.

IT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE, UM, A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS A ONE TWO RR FOR AN ADDITIONAL LOT.

WE HAVE AN APPLICATION IN DISTRICT THREE FOR, UH, CHRIS GERMAINE.

HE IS GOING TO BE REQUESTING TO HAVE AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP.

THIS IS IN THE, UM, THE OILVILLE BUSINESS DISTRICT.

AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE ANOTHER REQUEST FROM A TWO TO RR TO RE TO RE TO REQUEST ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY LOT THAT'S IN DISTRICT THREE.

UM, WE DO HAVE TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS COMING UP IN DISTRICT FIVE.

UM, THE GARNETS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED FAMILY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.

UM, THAT WILL BE LOCATED AT ONSITE AT FIF, UH, 50, UH, 5 1 1 RIVERGATE DRIVE.

AND THAT'S, UM, GONNA BE FEBRUARY 22ND AT 6:00 PM UH, THE OTHER ONE WE HAVE TO ANNOUNCE TONIGHT IS IN DISTRICT THREE MOUNT BERNARD VENUES.

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THE ADDRESS FOR THIS MEETING IS ON THE LOCATION OF THE, UH, THE SITE THAT IS BEING REQUESTED.

IT'S 2371 RIVER ROAD WEST, AND THAT MEETING WILL BE ON MARCH 19TH AT 6:00 PM THANK YOU.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

MEETING ADJOURNED AGAIN.