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THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WORKING, HUH? OKAY, SO MARK THIS MOVE FORWARD BACKWARDS, BACKWARDS THERE.
OH, YOU JUST HOLD IT DOWN OR JUST, YEAH, THAT TOP ONE CRATES.
CAN SEE IT, IT'LL SHOW UP ON THE SCREENS INTERNALLY.
HOW ARE YOU DOING SIR? YOU DOING? I'M DOING ALRIGHT.
SORRY I DIDN'T HAVE AN DOOR, BUT, UH, YEAH, PEOPLE FROM TOWN.
I'M ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TONIGHT.
ANYWAY, THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO, UM, HEAR A PRESENTATION ABOUT OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE UPDATE.
UH, IT'S MR. MARK WHITE, WHO'S ACTUALLY OUR CONSULTANT ON THE PROJECT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST PUTTING THE SIGNUP SHEETS IN THE BACK.
IF YOU COULD SIGN, UH, THOSE SHEETS ON THEIR WAY OUT, UH, LITTLE INFORMATION SO WE CAN KEEP YOU UP TO DATE ON THE PROJECT.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, TO ASK QUESTIONS REALLY, BUT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS, UM, AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A ZONING ORDINANCE OR OTHER TYPE OF POLICIES THAT WE'VE MET WITH DIFFERENT MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT.
DIFFERENT, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS ABOUT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT.
I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MR. WINFREY HERE AS WELL, UM, TO HEAR ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OVER TIME WE'LL BE WORKING ON OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, UM, THROUGH NEXT YEAR.
SO WE HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE THE RESULTS, UM, AND, AND THE THE DIFFERENT DRAFTS THAT COME FORWARD.
UM, SO THIS IS NOT YOUR ONLY TIME TO WEIGH IN ON THE PROJECT.
UH, YOU'LL GET IN LATER DATES AND, UH, AND MARK WILL SORT OF UPDATE YOU A LITTLE BIT ON THAT PROCESS THAT'S INTENDED TO COME FORWARD AS WE GO FORWARD.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO MARK TO LET HIM DO HIS PRESENTATION.
UM, AS RAY MENTIONED, I'M MARK WHITE.
I'M WITH A FIRM CALLED WHITE AND SMITH, LLC.
WE DO CODE UPDATES FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, AND INCLUDING IN VIRGINIA, UM, OFTEN ZONING UPDATES OR WHAT'S CALLED UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATES THAT COMBINE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION.
BUT FOR GLAND COUNTY, WE'VE BEEN BROUGHT IN TO UPDATE THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES.
MANY OF YOU, SOME OF YOU'VE BEEN AROUND AND BEEN ACTIVE WITH, UH, LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT IN GLAND COUNTY FOR A LONG TIME.
AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT THE ORDINANCE HASN'T BEEN UPDATED COMPREHENSIVELY SINCE 1979, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
AND SO IT'S ABOUT TIME, I THINK, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WITH THE UPDATED ZONING ORDINANCE IN 2020 THAT WE GET, UH, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE UP TO DATE IN AND IN ALIGNMENT, UM, WITH THE REST OF THE, THE COUNTY'S LAND USE, UM, UH, DOCUMENTS AND, AND POLICIES.
SO TONIGHT I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
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WHAT THIS PROJECT IS, AN OVERVIEW OF OUR, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR, OUR TIMELINE, UH, FOR THIS, UH, SO THAT YOU KNOW WHERE THIS FITS IN WITH THE PROJECT SO THAT YOU KNOW WHEN TO WEIGH IN AND, AND SUBMIT COMMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.UM, I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT AND HOW IT WORKS AND THE OVERALL CONTEXT OF DEVELOPMENT HERE IN GOWIN COUNTY.
I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT CURRENT ISSUES WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AS WE SEE THEM, AND WE'RE VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS.
SO I'M ANTICIPATING THAT I'LL LEARN MORE ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TONIGHT FROM, FROM ALL OF YOU.
UM, IF YOU HAVE, UH, INPUT ON THAT AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH FURTHER PUBLIC OUTREACH, UM, PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND AND SO FORTH.
AND THEN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NEXT STEPS.
AND THEN I'LL, WE WILL JUST OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AND OPEN DISCUSSION.
AND BY THE WAY, IF I'M TALKING, IF THERE'S SOMETHING I SAID YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND OR SOMETHING YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON IMMEDIATELY, AND, AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, IF I DON'T SAY SOMETHING RIGHT AWAY, I'M AFRAID I'LL FORGET AND NOT GET IT OUT THERE.
FEEL FREE TO RAISE YOUR HANDS AND, AND LET ME KNOW AND WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS IT THEN.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE PROJECT, WELL, THIS ISN'T SHOWING UP.
UM, THE, UH, GETTING HELP AT, UH, LET'S SEE, THE POLL EVERYWHERE ISN'T SHOWING UP.
WE'LL JUST DO A, WE'LL JUST DO A, MAYBE A SHOW OF HANDS THEN.
UM, HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD CONSIDER YOURSELF EXTREMELY FAMILIAR WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORBIT? LIKE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE DETAILS, HOW IT WORKS.
MAYBE YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL PROCESS, MAYBE YOU GOT YOURSELF FAMILIAR WITH THE ORDINANCE 'CAUSE SOMETHING WAS GOING ON DOWN THE STREET, YOU WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT IT OR COMMENT ON IT.
ANYBODY REALLY FAMILIAR? ANYBODY SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE? LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW TO FIND IT ONLINE, ET CETERA.
MAYBE YOU'VE HEARD THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TITLE IN CONVERSATIONS OR YOU SORT OF KNOW WHAT A PLAT IS, BUT YOU'RE NOT REAL FAMILIAR, ANYBODY LIKE THAT.
HOW MANY OF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A SUB THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS AT ALL? YOU'RE JUST LEARNING.
I APPRECIATE YOU LEARNING ABOUT IT TOO, 'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
HOW MANY OF YOU JUST WANDERED IN TONIGHT WONDERING WHAT WAS GOING ON? YOU MIGHT BE IN THE WRONG MEETING.
MAYBE YOU THOUGHT THERE WAS FREE FOOD OR SOMETHING.
ANYBODY LIKE THAT?
ALRIGHT, WELL I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY TAKING TIME.
I WAS TALKING TO, TO LINDA EARLIER AND HER INVOLVEMENT WITH LAND USE IN THE COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO TAKE TIME TO INVOLVE THEMSELVES, TO LET YOUR VOICES MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD ABOUT WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WITH, WITH DEVELOPMENT HERE IN THE COUNTY THAT'S GONNA MAKE THIS WHOLE PROCESS GO BETTER.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE PROJECT, WHAT IT IS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND IT STARTS WITH SOME OF THE GENERAL OBJECTIVES OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
ONE IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW AND, UM, AS SOME OF YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, VIRGINIA'S WHAT'S CALLED A DILLON'S RULE STATE.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS COUNTIES ARE CALLED CREATURES OF THE STATE AND COUNTIES CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS THEY HAVE AUTHORITY FROM THE STATE TO DO SO.
AND THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, IT'S ENTITLED 15.2.
IF YOU'RE, YOU REALLY GOT TIME, YOU REALLY WANT TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE ON THIS.
AND ONE OF THE DIVISIONS THERE REGULATE TALKS ABOUT WHAT COUNTIES CAN AND CANNOT DO WHEN THEY REGULATE SUBDIVISION PLAQUES.
I'VE PROBABLY READ THE THING FIVE OR SIX TIMES AND I STILL FIND STUFF IN THERE THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WAS IN THERE BEFORE.
UM, AND IF YOU READ IT, I PROMISE YOU, WHEN YOU'RE DONE, YOU'LL NEED TO TAKE A BREAK.
YOU KNOW, SIT DOWN, WATCH TV, GO FOR A JOG, DO WHATEVER IT IS YOU ENJOY DOING.
'CAUSE IT'S VERY, VERY COMPLICATED.
AND, UM, AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.
AND IN FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS TODAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE WRITTEN SO LONG AGO.
A LOT OF 'EM MAKE REFERENCES TO STATUTES THAT START WITH 15.1, TITLE 15.1, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE IN THE VIRGINIA CODE.
IT'S ALL BEEN REPLACED BY 15.2.
SO IF, UH, IF YOU'VE HAD THE FUN EXPERIENCE OF TRYING TO KEEP TRACK WITH ALL THE CHANGES
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IN VIRGINIA LAW THAT OCCUR EVERY YEAR, UM, YOU'LL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.SO WE AT LEAST YOU WANT TO GET THOSE REFERENCES UP TO DATE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW, CONSISTENT WITH COURT CASES THAT INTERPRET STATE LAW AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ONLY REGULATING WHAT WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE, UM, IN GLAND COUNTY.
UM, THE OTHER ONE IS, THE NEXT ONE IS UPDATE THE ORDINANCE TO REFLECT CA CURRENT COUNTY PRACTICES.
AND SOMETIMES THERE'S WAYS THAT THE COUNTY DOES THINGS THAT EMERGE OVER TIME IN RESPONSE TO MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WAS AMBIGUOUS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE ROOM FOR IT, ET CETERA.
CURRENT COUNTY POLICIES, UH, LIKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING HAS TO FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, OR THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT AND INTEGRATE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, AND SO THAT REFLECTS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES.
AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, UM, THE, THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH ALL OF THAT AS WELL.
WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH BEST PRACTICES AND, AND GOOD LAND USE PLANNING.
SO THAT GOLAND COUNTY, TO THE EXTENT THAT, UM, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PURVIEW OF SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES, THINGS LIKE STREETS, WHICH HAVE TO FOLLOW THE VDOT STANDARDS UNLESS THEY HAVE PRIVATE STREETS AND ET CETERA, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OUTCOMES THAT THE COUNTY WANTS AND THAT ALL OF YOU WANTS.
'CAUSE THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC, LISTEN TO THE MARKETPLACE AND ET CETERA.
UM, THIRD, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE ORDINANCE IS USER FRIENDLY.
UM, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU READ THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WANTS AND YOU UNDERSTAND IT, YOU ARE 10 TIMES SMARTER THAN I AM.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFICULT READ.
THAT'S A LOT OF IT ARE LONG PARAGRAPHS THAT YOU'VE GOTTA READ TWO OR THREE TIMES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS.
WE'RE GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME WHEN WE REWRITE THIS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT USING THE PASSIVE VOICE.
WE'VE BROKEN UP THESE LONG PARAGRAPHS IN THE SUB PARAGRAPHS OR BULLET POINTS.
WE HAVE SEVERAL URBAN DESIGNERS IN OUR FIRM.
THEY ARE ARCHITECTS THAT DO GRAPHICS AND THEY CAN ILLUSTRATE WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
I, I DO A LOT OF FLOW CHARTING AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND OR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES ARE VERY PROCESS ORIENTED.
AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FLOW CHARTED THINGS SO PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THE PROCESS BEGINS AND WHERE IT ENDS AND WHAT HAPPENS IN BETWEEN.
THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR APPLICANTS.
SOMEBODY GOING TO THE PERMIT COUNTER TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO I GET A MINOR PLAT DONE, UM, TO SOMEBODY IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO, YOU KNOW, HAS GOTTEN ONLINE OR HAS GOTTEN WIND OF AN APPLICATION DOWN THE STREET FROM THEM, AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT WAS FILED AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT WAS APPROVED AND HOW AND WHAT COMES NEXT.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE OTHER THAN LAND USE ATTORNEYS AND CONSULTING ENGINEERS CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S STILL GONNA BE A TECHNICAL DOCUMENT, BUT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TO TRY TO BREAK THAT DOWN IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT.
UM, WE WANT IT TO BE INTERNALLY CONSISTENT AS WELL WITH OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY CODE.
LIKE THE, THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW IS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF UPDATING WHAT IT CALLS, THEY'RE CALLING IT ACCESS MANAGEMENT, UM, THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, AND A LOT OF THESE AMENDMENTS ARE TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS, NOT THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, BUT THEY SPEAK TO HOW STREETS ARE DESIGNED AND HOW MANY ACCESS POINTS A SUBDIVISION CAN HAVE AND WHERE THEY PUT THEM AND SO FORTH.
BUT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SUBDIVIDES AS WELL.
AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE SAY IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS THE SAME THING WE'RE SAYING IN THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND IS THE SAME THING WE'RE SAYING IN THE PARTS OF THE COUNTY CODE THAT REGULATE UTILITIES AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE ALL SEE SPEAKING FROM THE SAME CHOIR SHEET AND SOMEBODY'S NOT READING SOMETHING IN ONE PART OF THE COUNTY CODE AND IT SAYS ONE THING AND, BUT IN ANOTHER PART OF THE COUNTY CODE IT SAYS SOMETHING ELSE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S INTERNALLY CONSISTENT.
AND, UH, FINALLY, AND THIS IS BY FAR NOT THE LEAST IMPORTANT THING, IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HAS PUBLIC SUPPORT THAT, UH, FOLKS WHO ARE REGULATED BY THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE KNOW ABOUT IT AND SUPPORT IT.
THAT FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTY, UM, THE COUNTY RESIDENTS ARE, ARE SATISFIED THAT THIS PROMOTES THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT YOU WANT TO SEE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS, IN RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTY
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AND, YOU KNOW, AREAS WHERE YOU MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PACE AND THE PATTERN AND QUALITY OF, OF GROWTH IN THE COUNTY.SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE ALL THAT'S, UH, FULFILLED AS WELL.
SO HERE'S OUR PROJECT MILESTONES.
WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE GONNA START OUT WITH A DIAGNOSTIC.
AND YOU SEE THAT FIRST BULLET POINT.
IT SAYS DOCUMENT REVIEW AND ORIENTATION AND THEN PUBLIC OUTREACH.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
WE'VE BEEN AS CONSULTANTS, READING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS, TALKING WITH THE STAFF WHO WORK WITH IT EVERY DAY.
WE TALKED WITH APPLICANTS WHO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO TRY TO SUSS OUT WHAT ALL THE ISSUES ARE, THINGS THAT NEED TO BE IRONED OUT AND SO FORTH TO IDENTIFY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE OR SUB AND HOW IT WORKS.
AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC TO GET YOUR, YOUR VIEWPOINT AS, AS RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY.
AND THEN OUR FIRST WRITTEN, UM, DELIVERABLE TO THE COUNTY IS GONNA BE AN ANALYSIS OF OUR INDEPENDENT REVIEW, WHAT WE HEARD, UM, FROM FOLKS FAMILIAR WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE OR THE COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO JUST HAVE CONCERNS, UM, REPORTING BACK ON ON THEIR ISSUES WITH THE ORDINANCE.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE CALL AN ANNOTATED OUTLINE.
IT'S GONNA SHOW YOU HOW WE RECOMMEND RESTRUCTURING AND REORGANIZE ANY ORDINANCE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN FIND THE INFORMATION THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO GONNA HAVE A CORRESPONDENCE TABLE.
SO IF WE HAVE, IF WE RECOMMEND OKAY, PUTTING A SECTION SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE ORDINANCE, WE'RE GONNA CITE TO THE SECTION WHERE IT CURRENTLY, UH, RESIDES TODAY IN THE ORDINANCE WITH A SHORT SUMMARY.
SO IF WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO SOMETHING FOR PROPOSING TO CHANGE DIRECTION, THAT WOULD TELL YOU IF YOU'RE INTERESTED ENOUGH TO, TO FOLLOW ALONG, UH, WHERE YOU CAN GO TO READ THE, THE CURRENT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE AND GET A SENSE OF THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND SOMETIMES IT, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA SAY IT WILL STAY THE SAME, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO CHANGE, SOMETIMES IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REORGANIZED, SOMETIMES REWRITTEN.
SO THAT'S MORE COMPREHENSIBLE, BUT WE WON'T, UH, CHANGE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR.
LINDA, YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? THAT IS A QUESTION.
IS IT, IS IT ALSO GONNA REFERENCE WHAT PART OF THE CODE JUNIOR, UM, UH, IT REFERS TO.
LINDA WAS ASKING WHETHER THAT ANNOTATED OUTLINE WILL REFERENCE THE, THE SECTION OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA WE'RE REFERRING TO.
I WASN'T PLANNING TO, BUT IF YOU THINK THAT WOULD HELP, WE CAN LOOK AT ADDING, TELL ME.
OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, AND YEAH, IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA THAT AFFECTS IT, THEN WE'LL WE'LL LIST THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE PHASE TWO OF OUR PROJECT IS DRAFTING, UM, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
IT'S NOT THE LONGEST PART OF THE COUNTY CODE.
ZONING ORDINANCE IS MUCH LONGER, BUT IT'S STILL A LOT TO DIGEST.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA DO SUCCESSIVE DRAFTS.
SO YOU'LL SEE A, AN INITIAL DRAFT WHEN IT COMES OUT.
UM, IF THERE ARE THINGS IN THE INITIAL DRAFT THAT CONCERN YOU, UM, DON'T WORRY, WE PLEASE COMMENT.
WE HAVE A PA THERE'S A WEBPAGE NOW ON THE COUNTY'S, UH, WEBSITE FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO IF YOU, YEAH, IF YOU GOOGLE GWIN COUNTY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE UPDATE, IT SHOULD TAKE YOU TO THAT.
AND WHEN WE COME OUT WITH DRAFTS, THERE'LL BE WAYS YOU CAN COMMENT AND LET US KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CONCERNS YOU.
UM, WHAT I LIKE EVEN BETTER IS IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE DID RIGHT, YOU NEED TO SAY KEEP GOING.
BUT WE WERE, WE DO WELCOME COMMENTS AND WE DO WELCOME CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM BECAUSE WE WANT, OUR, OUR OBJECTIVE IS WE WANT TO GET THIS ALL RIGHT BEFORE IT LANDS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DESK.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO GET GOOD CONSENSUS TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ON THIS.
SO WHILE WE'RE DRAFTING, WE'LL GET STAFF REVIEW AND COMMENTS, WE'LL GET PUBLIC REVIEWING COMMENTS, AND WE'LL TURN AROUND SECOND DRAFTS AND SO FORTH.
AND, UM, THEN THE FINAL STEP IS ADOPTION AND FINALIZATION.
WE'LL HAVE A COMPLETE DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE.
UH, WE'LL HAVE WORKSHOPS OR WORK SESSIONS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THOSE ARE ALL OPEN MEETINGS SO ANYONE CAN SHOW UP AND, UM, KEEP TRACK OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, THEN WE, ONCE WE GET ALL THEIR COMMENTS, WE PUT THE FINAL DRAFT TOGETHER AND THEN IT'S ADOPTED.
AND OF COURSE, THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC MEETING WITH PUBLIC COMMENT IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEY SUBMIT A RECOMMENDATION, THEN IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, ALSO AT A PUBLIC MEETING.
SO MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS FOR YOU ALL, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO LET US KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AS WE GO ALONG.
UM, SO I'M GONNA TALK NOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CURRENT SUBDIVISION
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ORDINANCE.SOME OF YOU'RE EXPERTS AT IT ALREADY.
UH, SOME OF YOU HAVE JUST BARELY GOTTEN INTO IT.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT IT IS, UH, WHAT IT IS NOT, AND KIND OF HOW IT RELATES TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY CODE, OTHER PARTS OF COUNTY POLICY AND THE WAY COUNTY DOES THINGS.
BUT, AND BASICALLY AS THE GRAPHIC, THIS, THIS VERY SIMPLE, OOPS, LEMME GO BACK.
THIS, THIS VERY SIMPLE GRAPHIC UP HERE SHOWS YOU A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IN, IN ESSENCE IS, UM, REGULATES WHEN YOU TAKE, UH, ONE PARCEL OF LAND LIKE THIS AND YOU DIVIDE IT INTO TWO PARCELS, USUALLY CALLED LOTS, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHEN YOU, THAT WAY YOU CAN SELL RIGHT NOW, UM, TO DO THIS, IN THE PAST, IF YOU WANTED TO SELL THIS INTO TWO LOTS, YOU'D HAVE TO GO HIRE A SURVEY TO WRITE OUT THIS REALLY COMPLICATED MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION AND ET CETERA.
IT WAS HARD TO TRACK LAND RECORDS AND WHO OWNED WHAT.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT WAS BACK IN THE 17 HUNDREDS AND WHATNOT.
AND YOU'D HAVE TO GO OUT AND SEE WHERE THAT CHERRY TREE IS ON WHICH CORNER TO FIGURE OUT WHICH PARTS OF THE LOT, YOU KNOW.
WELL, NOWADAYS, IN MODERN TIMES, YOU GO THROUGH THE PLATTING PROCESS.
AND SO YOU DIVIDE THIS INTO MORE THAN TWO LOTS.
YOU GO THROUGH THE PLATTING PROCESS AND AFTER YOU COMPLETE THAT PROCESS, YOU RECORD YOUR SUBDIVISION PLOT AND THEN YOU CAN SELL YOUR LOTS.
EVERYTHING I JUST TOLD YOU IS A DRAMATIC OVERSIMPLIFICATION OF HOW IT ALL WORKS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE, THE NUANCES OF ALL THIS.
BUT BASICALLY WHEN YOU'RE TAKING A PARCEL OF LAND, YOU'RE SPLITTING IT UP SO YOU CAN SELL IT AND DEVELOP IT.
UM, THAT'S WHEN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE COMES INTO PLAY.
UM, SO IT, IT, IT INTER RELATES TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTY CODE HERE.
I KNOW THAT THESE WERE, THIS IS ALL REAL TINY, THE TEXT HERE.
UM, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP, IF YOU GO, IF YOU, IF YOU GOOGLE MUNI CODE LIBRARY AND YOU GO TO VIRGINIA, YOU GO TO GLAND COUNTY, YOU OPEN UP THE GLAND COUNTY CODE.
APPENDIX B OF THE COUNTY CODE IS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
ONE THING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHEN APPENDIX A USED TO BE THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND THEN IN 2020 WHEN THE COUNTY UPDATED COMPREHENSIVELY UPDATED THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THEY MADE THE ZONING ORDINANCE CHAPTER 15, I THINK WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY MAKE THE ZONE SUBJECT ORDINANCE CHAPTER 16.
IT JUST IS MORE LOGICAL, FOLLOWS IN SEQUENCE, ET CETERA.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF INTERRELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY CODE.
THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE OF WHICH IS THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE A ONE AND A TWO DISTRICTS, THOSE ARE THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS.
THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW ONLY ALLOWS WHAT'S CALLED MINOR SUBDIVISIONS AND FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS.
IT DOESN'T ALLOW MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS, UM, WHICH ARE, IF YOU ARE MORE OR MORE THAN FIVE LOTS, I BELIEVE IS THAT RIGHT RAY? UM, FIVE OR MORE.
UM, SO IT DOESN'T ALLOW THOSE, UM, IN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS YOU FIND THAT THAT RULE IS NOT IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
THAT RULE IS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S AN INTERRELATIONSHIP HERE.
YOU HAVE TO TURN TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT A MINOR AND MAJOR SUBDIVISION IS AND ALL THESE OTHER PROCEDURES YOU GO THROUGH.
SO THEY'RE INTERRELATIONSHIPS WITH ZONING.
THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF, LIKE, IF I WANNA DO A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, I GUESS IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY, THERE ARE SUBDIVISION RULES IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO WE NEED TO SORT ALL THAT OUT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S GOOD RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THEM.
THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY ORDINANCE.
ONE IMPORTANT PART IS THE STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE HAS SOME RULES ABOUT HOW YOU DESIGN STREETS AND HOW YOU DO ACCESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, THAT ARE GERMANE TO PLATTING.
UH, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE, WHICH IS CHAPTER FIVE OF THE COUNTY CODE, UM, THE BUILDING CODE HAS A SECTION ON ADDRESSING.
SO WHEN SOMEBODY RECORDS THEIR PLAT AND THEY GO THROUGH THE COUNTY'S PROCESS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS TO GET RECORDED IN THE COUNTY'S GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM OR GIS.
UM, AND SO THERE'S THAT RELATIONSHIP THERE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSES GET ASSIGNED AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THERE'S THAT RELATIONSHIP THERE.
AND THEN FINALLY, CHAPTER TWO, THE ORDINANCE ADMINISTRATION, I, I BRING UP BECAUSE, UM, THAT'S WHERE THE COUNTY SETS UP THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS MENTIONED IN THAT CHAPTER.
AND IT ALSO TALK TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND OTHER COUNTY OFFICIALS DO, SOME OF WHICH RELATE TO SUBDIVISION PLAT PROCESSES AND SOME OF WHICH DON'T.
BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS.
AND OF COURSE THEN THERE'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS LIKE THE CONSTITUTION FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN THE COUNTY IS THE WAY I ALWAYS THINK OF IT.
SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE PLAN.
AND BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES,
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UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT THE COUNTY SAID THEY WANT TO HAPPEN IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.UM, SO SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES GOVERN THE DIVISION OF LAND.
UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, THEY PROVIDE FOR RELIABLE OWNERSHIP RECORDS SO WE CAN TRACK WHEN SALES ARE MADE, WHO OWNS PROPERTY.
IT'S JUST MORE CONVENIENT TO REFER TO LOT, LOT TWO AND, YOU KNOW, OAK ESTATES, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO SOME LONG MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION, UM, ESTABLISHES THAT THE PROCESS.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK TONIGHT ABOUT TENTATIVE PLATS AND FINAL PLATS AND MINOR PLATS AND, UH, THE BY RIGHTS SPLITS.
IT MAKE, IT'S DESIGNED TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT ADEQUATE SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE SET UP REGULATIONS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S THE ROADS, WATER, AND SEWER, IF YOU'RE IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, ARE ADEQUATE THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, THE SEPTIC AND WELLS OR WHATEVER, IF YOU'RE IN THE, THE, THE MORE RURAL PARTS OF THE COUNTY, UM, WHICH IS MOST OF THE COUNTY ARE ADEQUATE AND ET CETERA, ARE PROVIDED.
AND THAT THERE'S BONDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THE SUBDIVIDED SAID THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE IS ACTUALLY FOLLOWED THROUGH ON.
UM, IT CAN PROVIDE FOR LARGER SUBDIVISIONS FOR THE PHASING OF DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME.
AND IT CAN ALSO PRESERVE NATURAL RESOURCES.
THERE'S A COUNTY, THERE'S AN ENTIRE CHAPTER OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN THAT TALKS ABOUT NATURAL RESOURCES.
THAT'S SOMETHING IF, YOU KNOW, IF I MOVE TO THIS COUNTY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD DRAW ME HERE.
YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF WOODLANDS AND, AND PLACES LIKE THAT.
AND I'M SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HEAR VALUE ABOUT THE COUNTY.
HERE'S SOME THINGS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE DOES NOT DO.
UM, AND WE DON'T REGULATE LOT SIZE THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND THE VIRGINIA SUPREME COURT HAS EVEN WEIGHED IN ON THIS THAT, AND IT HAS SAID YOU CAN'T USE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AS A WAY TO CONTROL ZONING.
YOU DO THAT THROUGH CHAPTER 15 OF THE GOODWIN COUNTY CODE, NOT THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO WHEN SOMEBODY FILES A PLAT, THEIR LOT SIZE HAS TO FOLLOW WHAT'S IN, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
NOW THERE'S A, A PROCESS WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LATER WHERE YOU CAN DO SOME THINGS BY RIGHT, IF YOUR LOTS ARE LARGER.
UM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE CAN'T REGULATE ZONING THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
THEY HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE.
THEY DON'T REGULATE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
SO, YOU KNOW, TRASH ON PROPERTY, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS ARE REGULATED SEPARATELY, ADDRESSED SEPARATELY.
IT DOESN'T REZONE LAND, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN'T USE THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO, UM, CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF, OF PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS ALREADY IN PLACE AND, AND WAS UPDATED A FEW YEARS AGO.
UM, SO I'M GONNA BRIEFLY DISCUSS SOME OF THE TYPICAL STANDARDS WE HAVE IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
AND THE FIRST ONE IS ROADS AND, AND STREETS.
AND SO PRIVATE ROADS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE COUNTY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, PUBLIC ROADS IN VIRGINIA HAVE TO CONFORM TO THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OR VDOT STANDARDS.
THEY HAVE A, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS.
IT'S, UM, VERY DETAILED DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HOW YOU DESIGN SUBDIVISION STREETS.
WHEN SOMEBODY GOES THROUGH THE PLATING PROCESS, UM, THEY DEDICATE THE, THE ROADS TO THE COUNTY AND THEN THE COUNTY TURNS AROUND AND DEDICATES THEM TO, TO VDOT.
NOW, IF YOU DO PRIVATE ROADS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET AROUND THAT IS IF YOU AGREE AS THE SUBDIVIDED OR THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA MAINTAIN.
ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GONNA MAINTAIN THOSE ROADS AT THEIR EXPENSE, NOT AT THE PUBLIC EXPENSE.
UM, THIS IS COMMON WITH THINGS LIKE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND, UH, IN SOME PLACES MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA, UH, WHERE THEY HAVE PRIVATE ROADS.
AND IF YOU DO THAT IN THE COUNTY, YOU HAVE TO MEET THE VDOT STANDARDS.
IF YOU HAVE AT LEAST, UH, FIVE LOTS, UM, YOU HAVE TO DESIGNATE THOSE STREETS AS PRIVATE SO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY BUYS A LOT, THEY KNOW THEY'RE PRIVATE, THEY KNOW THEY'RE ON THE HOOK FOR PAYING TO MAINTAIN THOSE STREETS AND ET CETERA.
AND THEY'RE INDEPENDENTLY INSPECTED AND AND CERTIFIED SO THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, AN ENGINEER CAN CERTIFY THEY COMPLY WITH THOSE STANDARDS.
UM, SEVEN OR MORE LOTS IN THE COUNTY REQUIRE PUBLIC ROADS, UH, REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS FOR THE BASE MATERIALS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE BASE MATERIALS IN TWO LAYERS OF ASPHALT AND, UM, UH, LOT BUILDING PERMITS ARE PHASED WITH THE INSTALLATION OF THE, OF THE ROAD SURFACE.
SO YOU CAN'T START PULLING BUILDING PERMITS IN UNTIL THE ROADS ARE IN WHERE YOU NEED THEM.
UM, FOR ACCESS AND ROADS, UH, LOCAL STREETS,
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UM, THERE'S A TIE IN TO HOW MANY LOTS YOU HAVE BEFORE.UM, YOU KNOW, STREETS HAVE TO BE DESIGNED A CERTAIN WAY AND HAVE TO BE PUBLIC.
UM, STREET DESIGN AND TYPE, AGAIN, ARE TIED TO THE NUMBER OF LOTS AND STUFF.
STREETS ARE REQUIRED TO UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES.
THAT'S, SO STREETS HAVE SOME MINIMUM LEVEL OF CONNECTIVITY, UM, SO THAT THEY WORK WELL.
YOU DON'T JUST HAVE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, AND THEN YOU GOTTA DRIVE THREE AND A HALF MILES TO GO 400 FEET.
SO AT SOME MINIMUM LEVEL OF CONNECTIVITY, YOU STILL HAVE, YOU USED TO HAVE CUL-DE-SACS AND YOU CAN STILL HAVE CLOSE OFFS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT THERE HAVE TO BE SUB STREETS.
UM, AND HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, LOTS LOT DESIGN SHAPE AND LAYOUT, UM, ARE REGULATED BY THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
OF COURSE, MINIMUM LOT SIZE, MINIMUM FRAUD ENGINE, ET CETERA, ARE REGULATED BY, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UM, FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR DEDICATION OF ROADS, UH, HOW YOU DEDICATE THEM, UM, HOW YOU MAINTAIN THEM, HOW YOU PROVIDE SECURITY.
UM, WE CAN ALSO ENFORCE BY BUILDING PERMIT PHASING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, IN SOME COMMUNITIES YOU CAN DO IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S SHOWN IN A SUBDIVISION PLAT IS ACTUALLY PROVIDED.
UM, AND HERE ARE THE MAJOR CATEGORIES OF SUBDIVISIONS.
UM, IN THE COUNTY, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE AT LEAST, UH, FIVE LOTS IN THE COUNTY ARE CLASSIFIED AS A MAJOR SUBDIVISION.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE LESS THAN FIVE LOTS, YOU'RE A MINOR SUBDIVISION.
AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? WELL, MINOR SUBDIVISION IS REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY, IT'S REVIEWED BY STAFF.
UM, THE OTHER TYPE OF MINOR IS A FAMILY SUBDIVISION.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE VIRGINIA CODE.
THE VIRGINIA, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES COUNTIES TO HAVE PROVISIONS IN THEIR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES, UH, FOR TRANSFERS OF LOTS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE IMMEDIATE FAMILY.
AND THAT'S DEFINED IN THE VIRGINIA CODE IS DEFINED IN THE COUNTIES SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
AND THEN THE THIRD TYPE OF, UH, THE THIRD TYPE OF MINOR SUBDIVISION IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE BUY RIGHT SPLIT.
HAS ANYBODY EVER OPENED UP THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IN GOODMAN COUNTY AND TRIED TO FIND THE PROVISIONS FOR A BUY RIGHT SPLIT? HAVE YOU, DID YOU FIND THEM? YEAH.
NOW, DID YOU FIND 'EM? LINDA, LINDA FOUND THEM.
WELL I DID A WORD SEARCH AND I COULD NOT FIND A REFERENCE TO BUYRIGHT FOOT.
WHAT'S THAT? THAT THERE IS THE PARENT TRACK.
YES, THE, YOU WON'T FIND SOME, YOU WON'T FIND A PROCESS IN THE COUNTY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT'S TITLED BY RIGHTS SPLIT.
YOU'LL HEAR A LOT OF TALK AT PUBLIC MEETINGS ABOUT BY RIGHTS SPLITS AND ALL THAT.
BUT PARENT THAT'S RIGHT, IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE COUNTY'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY'S DEFINITION OF PARENT TRACT AND IT'S DEFINITION OF SUBDIVISION, 'CAUSE THE SUBDIVISION SAYS IT EXEMPTS, UM, FROM FULL SUBDIVISION REVIEW.
WHAT IS IT? THE FIRST TWO 20 ACRE TRACTS AND THEN ALL THE REST OF THE 40, YOU CAN DO ALL THE 40 ACRE TRACKS YOU WANT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH FULL SUBDIVISION REVIEW.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THIS BUYRIGHT SPLIT CONCEPT COMES IN.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TOO, IS MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GETTING RID OF IT OR ANYTHING, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN SOMEBODY LOOKS FOR THAT IN THE COUNTY CODE, THEY KNOW WHERE TO FIND IT.
THE PROCESS IS SPELLED OUT, THE STANDARDS ARE SPELLED OUT AND ET CETERA.
SIRER, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH.
OR COMMENT? WELL, SINCE WE'RE ON THAT, I JUST WANTED TO, I WAS CURIOUS ONE, WHO DEFINED THE, OR WHERE IS IT DEFINED THAT A MINOR SUBDIVISION IS LESS THAN FIVE? 'CAUSE I ASK THAT BECAUSE IN IF YOU, IN THIS COUNTY, IF YOU HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE AND HAVE A 20 ACRE RESIDUAL, YOU COULD HAVE FOUR BY RIGHT SPLITS OFF OF THAT AND HAVE FIVE TOTAL LOTS.
THAT WOULD BE BY RIGHT SPLIT, BUT THEN BY THAT DEFINITION WOULD CONSIDER YOU A MAJOR SUBGROUP.
SO THE TWO SEEM TO, TO CONTRADICT EACH OTHER.
SO IF, IF YOU ARE UNDER FIVE, THIS SAYS MINOR, BUT RACK SPLIT, IF YOU HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S CALL IT 30 ACRES AND YOU CAN PUT FOUR, TWO ACRE TRACKS AND THEN HAVE A, WHAT'S THAT 22 ACRE RESIDUAL LEFT, THAT LEAVES YOU WITH FIVE LOTS THAT NOW YOU'RE SET TO BE A MAJOR SUBDIVISION.
SO I GOT QUICKLY TRY TO ANSWER THAT.
UM, SO PART OF THAT IS, IS WHAT WE'RE KIND OF ADDRESSING HERE.
SO PART OF THAT, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF HOW THAT DIVISION IS CURRENT, IT'S NOT LOGICAL ABOUT HOW MATCHED UP WITH PROCESSES.
SO THE WAY IT REALLY IS THE PROVISION, IT SAYS THOSE LOTS WOULDN'T COUNT TOWARDS
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YOUR, IF YOU HAVE YOUR TWENTIES AND FORTIES, UM, DON'T COUNT TOWARDS YOUR MAJOR SUB DIVISION PROVISIONS.HOWEVER, IT DOES SAY IT DOES COUNT TOWARDS YOUR ACCESS MANAGEMENT OR ROAD DESIGN STANDARDS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THOSE THINGS, YOU REALLY ARE MOVING OUT OF WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A MINOR TYPE OF PROCESS.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO REQUIRE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS OR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, THAT'S REALLY, YOU'VE MOVED INTO A MAJOR CATEGORY.
SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IT'S NICE TO HAVE THAT MINOR PROCESS FOR THE FOUR OR THE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS IS WHEN YOU START, THE NUMBERS START TO INCREASE.
THERE'S OTHER STANDARDS THAT NEED TO BE MET IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO PERHAPS THE MINOR PROCESS DOESN'T KIND OF ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT ANYMORE.
YEAH, IT IT'S, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT OUR CONCERN IS, A LITTLE CONFUSION ABOUT THAT PROCESS REALLY WORKS AND HOW IT MATCHES UP WITH OTHER REGULATIONS, NOT JUST IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, BUT OTHER REGULATING ORDINANCES IN THE COUNTY.
AND, AND NOT TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE THERE.
MM-HMM,
IFC, APPENDIX D UM, AND ONCE YOU GET OVER THE TWO LOTS, SO THEN THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE, SINCE YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE HIGHER ROAD STANDARD THAT YOU SAID, DOES THAT NOW MAKE THAT A MAJOR SUBDIVISION INSTEAD OF A MINOR AS THIS DEFINITION LEADS TO? UH, YEAH, WELL THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT.
LIKE WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS BE APPROPRIATE? SO BY NUMBER WISE IT WOULD BE MAJOR.
DO WE NEED ANOTHER INTERM MARITY PROCESS OR SOME OTHER WAY TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THOSE? UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF BEEN OF CONCERN 'CAUSE THE WAY THE CONTRADICTIONS ARE EXACTLY IN THE ORDINANCE AND THE LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE MORE THAN TWO ACCESS, IT'S NOT JUST OUR STANDARDS KICK IN WHEN YOU START HAVING MULTIPLE LOTS ACCESS IN THE WAY, THERE'S VDOT STANDARDS FOR ACCESS TO THE ROAD AND, AND OTHER TYPE THINGS THAT KICK IN.
AND YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS WAS SET UP WITH JUST THE, THE, REALLY THE FOUR CONCEPT IN MINE, I BELIEVE, UM, IT DIDN'T KIND OF TAKE INTO ACCOUNT VERY WELL OTHER ORDINANCES OR OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE EVOLVED OR OTHER REGULATIONS THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE COME ABOUT OVER TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SORT OF EVALUATE THAT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST PROCESS FOR THAT.
HOW DO YOU ACCOMMODATE FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED.
SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE THIS AS, AS YOU STATED, WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT HERE TO ADDRESS THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
IS THIS GONNA HAVE TO THEN CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF THAT IN SOME CAPACITY? UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE EVALUATING.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THAT STAGE, WE'RE KIND OF EVALUATING WHAT'S THE CONTEXT, UM, WHAT ARE SOME POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT WITH ANY ANSWERS.
UM, BUT YEAH, THOSE, THOSE ARE KIND OF THINGS THAT ARE SORT OF, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A CONSIDERATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF SIT, OKAY, WELL THAT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE.
HOW DOES THAT FUNCTION? WHAT'S THE WORK, WHAT'S THE RIGHT PROCESS OR OTHER TYPE OF SOLUTIONS? UM, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN HERE THAT WILL WE'LL SORT OF BE EVALUATING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS AND LET MARK AND, YOU KNOW, HIS TEAM SORT OF TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND OF COURSE WE'LL BE WORKING BACK THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AND OVER IT.
'CAUSE THAT ILLUSTRATES THE WAY THAT THE CODE CAN BE KIND OF CONFUSING.
THE ORDINANCE CAN KIND OF BE CONFUSING AND SOMETIMES IT'S INTERNALLY CONSISTENT, SOMETIMES IT JUST SEEMS TO BE, AND IT JUST NEEDS SOME EXPLANATION.
'CAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PROCESS AND THE STANDARDS.
SO PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT, YEAH, MAYBE YOU'VE GOT A MINOR SUBDIVISION PROCESS, BUT THE STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE APPENDIX D MAY REQUIRE SOMETHING WITH YOUR STREETS.
THAT'S NORMALLY YOU'D EXPECT OF THE MAJOR SUBDIVISION BECAUSE YOU DID SOMETHING.
MAYBE YOU'RE STILL SUBJECT TO JUST ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW, BUT NOW THIS KICKS IN.
SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO SORT OUT AND ALL THOSE LITTLE TECHNICALITIES AS WE, AS WE, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
UM, AND SO HERE'S A GENERAL DIS OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS, UH, FOR, FOR PLAT REVIEW.
AND THIS IS THE PROCESS YOU WOULD FOLLOW IF YOU ARE A MAJOR SUBDIVISION.
AND SO YOU WOULD FILE, IF YOU HAVE AT LEAST 50 LOTS, AND THAT'S BY STATE CODE, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA DENIES COUNTIES THE AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE PRELIMINARY PLATS.
AND HERE IN GLAND COUNTY, WE CALL THEM TENTATIVE PLATS.
UM, IN THE STATE CODE, THEY'RE CALLED PRELIMINARY PLATS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USUALLY CALLED.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING AS PART OF THIS IS TO UPDATE OUR TERMINOLOGY AS WELL.
UM, WE CAN REQUIRE PRELIMINARY PLATS FOR 50 OR MORE LOTS.
UM, BUT IF YOU ARE A MAJOR SUBDIVISION, THEN YOU, YOU GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FOR APPROVAL.
AND IF YOU HAVE 50 OR MORE LOTS, THEN YOU ARE, YOU FILE WHAT'S CALLED A TENTATIVE
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PLAT.AND WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWS IT, IT CAN ATTACH CONDITIONS TO APPROVAL AND ET CETERA.
AND FOR A PROJECT THAT BIG, IT MAY ALSO BE ATTACHED AND ASSOCIATED WITH A REZONING CASE, IN WHICH CASE THERE MAY BE PROFFERS.
AND THAT'S WHAT A DEVELOPER WOULD OFFER, LIKE AS IMPROVEMENTS OR DESIGN OR SOMETHING.
UM, AS PART OF THE REZONING PROCESS, WHICH IS A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM ONE ZONING DISTRICT CATEGORY TO ANOTHER.
UM, AND TYPICALLY THE, YEAH, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WOULD BE KIND OF THE ONE OF THE LAST STEPS IN THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT THEY GO THROUGH.
BUT IF YOU'RE 50 OR MORE, YOU HAVE TO GET A TENTATIVE AND, UM, YOU'RE WELCOME TO FILE A TENTATIVE IF YOU'RE UNDER THAT.
BUT WE, WE, WE DON'T REQUIRE IT AND CANNOT REQUIRE IT.
UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, THE NEXT STEP IS WHAT'S CALLED CONSTRUCTION PLANS, AND THAT'S THE DETAILED ENGINEERING.
AND HERE IN GOLAND COUNTY, WE CALL THAT A LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT AND A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT OR A POD.
SO IF YOU HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT A POD, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S AGAIN, THE DETAILED ENGINEERING, HOW THE STREETS ARE DESIGNED, ET CETERA.
THAT'S HOW THEY CONSTRUCT THEIR AND, AND ATTACH A VALUE FIGURE TO THE REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS FOR PURPOSES OF BONDING AND ET CETERA.
AND SO THEN THAT'S DONE, AND THEN THAT'S REVIEWED AND INSPECTED.
AND THEN WHEN THAT'S DONE, THE SUBDIVIDED GOES TO WHAT'S CALLED FINAL PLAT, AND THEN FINAL PLATT'S ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED, I BELIEVE, IN THE COUNTY.
AND WHEN YOUR FINAL PLATT'S APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT YOU TAKE TO THE COURTHOUSE AND RECORD.
AND SO YOU RECORD IT AND THEN IT'S THAT 50 OR A HUNDRED ACRE UNDIVIDED PARCEL YOU USED TO HAVE NOW IS A, A BUNCH OF LOTS.
AND IT'LL SAY LOT ONE OF OAKLAND ESTATES OR OKA ESTATES OR SOMETHING.
UM, LOT TWO, LOT THREE AS OPPOSED TO JUST A BIG UNDIVIDED 50 ACRE LOT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE SUBDIVIDED CAN NOW SELL.
NOW THEY CAN START SELLING, UH, LOTS OFF OF THAT AND START DEVELOPING IT.
UM, AND THEN AFTER ALL THAT'S APPROVED, SUBDIVIDES CAN CHANGE THINGS OCCASIONALLY.
SOMETIMES A A PLAID IS SUBDIVIDED, THERE'S NO MARKET OR THE MARKET GOES SOUTH, OR FOR VARIOUS ARY REASONS, THEY DON'T GO FORWARD.
MAYBE THERE'S ENOUGH TIME THAT'S GONE BY THAT'S BEEN REZONED.
NOW SOMETHING THAT'S RESIDENTIAL OR USED TO BE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S COMMERCIAL.
IF YOU'RE ON THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND, UM, THOSE LOT LINES DON'T MATCH ANYMORE AND YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SHOWING PAPER STREETS THAT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO IF THAT HAPPENS, THERE'S STATE PROCESSES FOR WHAT'S CALLED A, A PLAT VACATION WHERE YOU CAN GO IN AND YOU CAN WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN, YOU WIPE OFF THE LOT LINES, YOU WIPE OFF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND EVERYTHING, AND NOW YOU CAN SUBDIVIDE A LOT ALL OVER AGAIN.
AND SO THERE'S PROVISIONS FOR THAT AS WELL.
THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN THOSE TWO CAN BE KIND OF A GRAY AREA SOMETIMES, BUT THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN AFTER A SUBDIVISION OCCURS AND USUALLY LONG AFTER IT OCCURS.
MOST SUBDIVISIONS WHERE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, THOSE ARE GONNA HAPPEN FAIRLY QUICK.
IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY RARE HERE IN GOLAND COUNTY THAT THEY JUST DON'T GET BILLED ON FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, SO WITH, WITH SOME OF THE OLDER PLATS NOW FOR 50 WATTS OR MORE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS STUFF YOU MOSTLY SEE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE COUNTY THAT HAS WATER AND SEWER.
IT'S THE MORE, YOU KNOW, THE MORE, UM, THE MOST POPULATED A PART OF GLAND COUNTY.
UM, TH THIS IS THE TENTATIVE PLAT PROCESS.
FIRST YOU FILE AN APPLICATION, THEN YOU, UH, YOU GO THROUGH STAFF REVIEW AND THAT HAPPENS 21 TO 30, 30 DAYS IS THE COUNTY'S GOAL.
UH, STATE LAW GIVES, GIVES US 60 TO 90 DAYS.
UM, THEY SUBMIT REVIEW COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANT.
THERE'S SOME BACK AND FORTH APPLICANT MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THEIR APPLICATION.
UM, THEY REVISE THE PLA IT GOES THROUGH THE PLAN REVIEW TEAM FOR STAFF REVIEW.
SO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT COUNTY DEPARTMENTS, THEN YOU HAVE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, YOU HAVE VDOT, THEY ALL WEIGH IN ON, ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PLAT.
UM, AND THEN ONCE ALL THAT'S READY, THE, UH, APPLICANTS MADE ANY CHANGES, UM, OR INDICATED THAT THEY WANT TO SEEK A WAIVER OR SOMETHING, UH, FROM, FROM SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEN THEY SCHEDULE IT FOR PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION.
SO THEY SUBMIT A STAFF REPORT, IT GOES TO
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THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH THEN REVIEWS THE APPLICATION AND APPROVES IT.SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A TENTATIVE PLAT, UM, IN THE COUNTY.
UM, IT SHOWS YOU A DESCRIPTION OF THE OPEN SPACE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, THE, THE AREA SURROUNDING BY GREEN.
WHAT IS THAT RAY? THAT AREA? THAT WAS A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.
YEAH, THAT'S A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION, UH, BETWEEN THE, THE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, ONCE IT'S APPROVED.
UM, THE NEXT STEP OF COURSE IS CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
YOU GOT THE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT THAT DEALS WITH THINGS LIKE GRADING, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UM, IF THERE'S WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY OR OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES, IT WOULD DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, THE OTHER IS CALLED PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH DEALS WITH THE SUBDIVISION LAYOUT, CONSTRUCTION DETAILS, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, ET CETERA.
AND APPLICANTS IN GLAND COUNTY CAN COMBINE THEIR WHAT LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR LDP AND THEIR PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, POD.
SO THEY COULD SUBMIT ONE DOCUMENT THAT COVERS ALL OF THIS.
AND A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, MOST COMMUNITIES I WORK WITH, IT'S JUST CALLED CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
UM, AND SO WE'RE ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST IN TERMS OF UPDATING OUR TERMINOLOGY AS WELL AS CALLING THIS CONSTRUCTION PLANS AS WELL.
UM, JUST SO IT'S CLEARER TO PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT MARKS OFF SOME ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES ON A PROPERTY.
UM, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE, PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, SAME PORTION OF A SUBDIVISION.
SO THIS SHOWS YOU, IT SHOWS YOU THE SPECIFIC DETAILS OF LOT WIDTH, LOT DEPTH, UM, THE STREET WIDTH, HOW THE STREETS ARE DESIGNED AND ET CETERA.
UM, AND THEN, THEN THERE'S THE FINAL PLAT PROCESS, WHICH STARTS AGAIN WITH THE APPLICATION TYPICALLY FILLED OUT BY A SURVEYOR OR AN ENGINEER THAT'S SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY.
UM, THE STAFF MAKES ITS COMMENTS ON IT.
SO THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW BEFORE WITH THE TENTATIVE, UM, APPLICANT REVISES THE PLAT STAFF REVIEWS IT AGAIN, THEN THEY GO THROUGH THE LDP AND POD PROCESS.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A MINOR PLA WITH NO INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE POD, BUT THAT'S THE PROCESS.
AND THEN ONCE ALL THAT'S IN ORDER, UM, THE, UM, THE PLATS OFFICER THEN APPROVES YOUR, YOUR FINAL PLAT AND IS READY TO RECORD.
SO THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF THAT PROCESS AND HOW IT'S FLOW CHARTED OUT.
SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A FINAL PLAT.
THERE'S SOME REQUIRED CERTIFICATIONS ON THE LEFT, UM, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER DETAILS ABOUT THE PROPERTY, UM, CIRCLED IN RED.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF ONE, UM, THAT'S BEEN FILED AND RECORDED IN GLAND COUNTY.
UM, AND HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE, A SAMPLE OF WHAT'S RECORDED.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THOSE REALLY MESSY DETAILS THAT YOU SAW WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
PURPOSE OF THE FINAL PLAN IS TO GIVE YOU THE BOUNDARIES AND, UM, THE ACTUAL BOUNDARIES OF THE LOTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE SO LIMITED.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT'S, UH, AT THE COURTHOUSE? YOU FIND THAT THE COURTHOUSE IS, IS THE THAT THE ADDRESSES AND EVERYTHING ON THE, ON THE FINAL FLAT? UM, I DON'T THINK THEY, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT'S FILED AT THE RECORD ROOM.
THAT'S WHAT'S RECORDED AT THE COURTHOUSE.
BUT WHAT IS THE FINAL ONE THAT GOES TO THE COURT HOUSE, RIGHT? YES, IT IS.
AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS PUT THE ADDRESSES THOUGH ON THE LOT RIGHT.
ONCE IT COMES BACK HERE, THEN YOU'RE GIVEN THE ADDRESS, THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT.
BUT YEAH, BUT THIS, THIS WOULD HAVE ALL THE T THIS IS BECOMES THE OFFICIAL DIVISION OF LAND
I'M SORRY, I, NO, WE'RE LIVE STREAMING, SO, SO I'LL TRY TO, TRY TO BE, AND SO THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT WHAT WE SEE ON THE SCREEN IN THE LAST TWO SLIDES.
SO THE F THE FIRST SLIDE YOU SAW IS REALLY THE SORT OF THE COVER PAGE THAT HAS ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY, WHO THE SUBDIVIDES ARE, THE TAX IDS, ACREAGE AND STUFF.
AND UM, THE SECOND PAGE IS WHEN YOU START THROUGH THESE PLATS AND TYPICALLY THESE LARGER SUBDIVISION, YOU COULD HAVE FOUR OR FIVE PAGES OF JUST THE LOTS.
SO THIS SHOWS THE LOTS SIZE, THE LOT DIMENSIONS, LOT NUMBERS, ROAD NAMES, ROAD DIMENSIONS.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT GETS RECORDED WITH THE, WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE, AS YOU SAID.
UM, PART OF THAT PROCESS, ONCE IT'S BEEN RECORDED, COMES BACK AND IT'S WORKED THROUGH OUR GIS SYSTEM WHERE IT'S PUT BACK INTO OUR MAPPING AND THE, AND ALSO THE, THE COUNTY TAX MAPS.
AND FROM THERE WE GET THE TAX ID NUMBERS FOR THE NEW LOTS AND WE GET THE NEW ADDRESSES FOR
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THE NEW LOTS AS IT COMES, AS IT'LL COME UP.SO THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PROCESS ALSO.
THIS IS WHAT OTHER SURVEYORS WILL USE AS THEIR BASIS TO GO OUT THERE TO START THE NEXT STAGE.
WHEN YOU COME IN AND APPLY FOR YOUR BUILDING, YOUR BUILDING PERMIT.
THIS IS YOUR ESTABLISHED REPORTED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THEY START SELLING THE LAWS.
SO THAT'S GOT THE ADDRESS ON IT.
SO, UH, UNDER STATE LAW, YOU'RE NOT BE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO TRANSFER A PROPERTY WITHOUT IT BEING RECORDED.
UM, SO THERE'S OFTEN OUT THERE PEOPLE ARE MAYBE SELLING BEFORE, UM, FOR A FUTURE OUT THERE, BUT CANNOT BE SOLD OFFICIALLY UNTIL THE, UM, THE LOT'S BEEN RECORDED, UM, AND, AND RECEIVED ADDRESSING FROM THE COUNTY.
SO I'M GONNA TALK NOW ABOUT SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY ISSUES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING STARTED.
UH, WE'VE DONE OUR INITIAL REVIEW AS CONSULTANTS, WE'VE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEIR THOUGHTS.
UM, THE FOLKS INVOLVED IN JUST PROCESSING SUBDIVISION PLATS ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS.
AND, YOU KNOW, MY INITIAL REVIEW, I MEAN, EVEN BEFORE WE WERE HIRED TO DO THIS, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S A BUY RIGHT SPLIT? WHERE DO I FIND THAT IN THE ORDINANCE? YOU KNOW, HOW, WHERE'S THE PROCESS FOR IT WRITTEN OUT? SO THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT ONE, AS WE, AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, WE JUST NEED A GENERAL UPDATE TO ALL OF THIS.
UM, AGAIN, THIS ORDINANCE HASN'T BEEN COMPREHENSIVELY UPDATED SINCE, UM, 19 79, 36 YEARS AGO.
UM, I LIKE TO SAY WHEN I WAS 36 YEARS OLD, I PROBABLY COULD HAVE USED A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE AND I'M SURE YOUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE DOES AS WELL.
UM, SO JUST EVERYTHING IS MUNDANE AS CURRENT REFERENCES TO THE CODE OF VIRGINIA TO JUST HOW THE COUNTY DOES THINGS NOWADAYS AND THE COUNTY'S CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS AND ET CETERA.
THE SECOND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING COMPLIES WITH THE STATE CODE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE READ THAT PART OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, YOU'LL KNOW IT'S VERY DETAILED.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING CHECKED OFF AND WE'RE FULLY AND COMPLIANT WITH STATE LAW.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 2015.
IT'S BEEN UPDATED IN A FEW PLACES.
THERE'S THE 2040, UM, TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT'S CHAPTER FIVE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE'S THE UTILITIES, WHICH IS CHAPTER SIX OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, OR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PART OF IT.
ONE WAS DONE IN 2018, I THINK ANOTHER ONE A LITTLE LATER.
UM, AND SO THOSE ARE TWO MORE UPTODATE PARTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT THE SUBDIVISION REGULATION AS A WHOLE WAS WRITTEN LONG BEFORE THE COUNTY'S CURRENT, UM, POLICIES FOR DEVELOPMENT WERE PUT INTO PLACE.
SO WE MAKE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN ALIGNMENT STILL.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE ROAD AND ACCESS.
AND THE COUNTY'S CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW WITH THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT, UM, AND HAVE MET, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE HAD A COUPLE OF HEARINGS AND PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALREADY.
A LOT OF THAT WILL CARRY FORWARD.
UM, AND WE'LL TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THAT AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD AS WELL, UM, TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING CROSS REFERENCES CORRECTLY, THAT IT'S INTERNALLY CONSISTENT AND AND SO FORTH.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'VE BUILT THE STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE INTO THIS 'CAUSE THERE'S REQUIREMENTS IN IT.
AND APPENDIX D AS THE GENTLEMAN THERE MENTIONED, UM, HE MENTIONED THE INTERNATIONAL, HE SAID THE IFC INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, WHICH IS WHAT THE STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE IS, IS, UM, BASED ON, UM, SO THAT APPLIES.
YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW IT FROM READING THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE POINT TO THAT.
ONE THING I USUALLY ADD TO MY ORDINANCES TOO IS A HYPERLINK.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ONLINE, YOU'RE SEARCHING THE CODE, YOU SEE STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE, APPENDIX D, UM, THERE'LL BE A HIGHLIGHT THERE THAT YOU CAN CLICK AND IT'LL TAKE YOU RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET ONLINE AND SEARCH IT AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT THING.
UM, SO THAT SHOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR FOLKS TO USE AND TO UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
WHILE WE'RE, WHILE WE'RE BACK TALKING ABOUT THAT, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, IS THAT, OR IS THE APPENDIX D LAW IN, IN VIRGINIA, IS IT STATE LAW? UM, AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION 'CAUSE AT THE VERY TOP OF IT, UM, OF THE APPENDIX, IT SAYS, UH, THAT THE DS ARE NOT MANDATORY UNLESS, UM, MANDATED BY LOCAL JURISDICTIONS AND ORDINANCES.
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QUESTION IS, YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT TERM? YEAH.THAT MAY NOT BE HERE, BUT IS THAT MANDATED BY THE STATE LEVEL? UM, IT IS NOT MANDATED BY THE STATE, HOWEVER, IT HAS BEEN ADOPTED IN GLAND COUNTY.
SO WHAT IT SAYS, THE APPENDIX D IS, NOT EVERY PLACE IN THE STATE MAY FOLLOW THIS, BUT IF THEY'VE ADOPTED IT, THE, THESE ARE WHAT THEY'VE ADOPTED.
AND SO IF YOU GO INTO OUR FIRE PREVENTION CODE, WHICH, UM, MR. WHITE MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS APPENDIX D IN IT, OUR ACTUAL CHAPTER FIVE GLAND COUNTY CODE ALSO THEN HAS, HEY, IN APPENDIX D, WHICH WE'VE ADOPTED, UM, ONE WE'VE ADOPTED IT, AND TWO, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO WHAT'S AN APPENDIX D.
SO THAT'S HOW THAT SECTION OF CHAPTER FIVE RELATES BACK TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
BUT YOU PROBABLY DON'T STUMBLE INTO THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THIS TYPE OF HYPERLINK AND MAKING SURE WE'VE GOT GOOD CONNECTION TO THAT, UM, WOULD BE PART OF THE UPDATE.
WHO, WHO ADOPTED IT? THE GOIN COUNTY BOARD.
IT'S, IT'S AN ORDINANCE, RIGHT? SO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SAID THIS IS GONNA BE WHAT WE USE 100%.
WHEN, I MEAN, WHEN THEY ADOPTED IT, LIKE ANY OTHER PART, NOW I SAY THEY, IT WAS THE BOARD, I DON'T RECALL.
I I WASN'T HERE WHEN THEY ADOPTED IT, SO I KNOW IT WAS PROBABLY AT LEAST AGAIN, HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO.
SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN, BUT YES, IT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COUNTY AS AN ORDINANCE.
A NEXT ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, HOW WE ADDRESS NON-RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
NOW I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, GUTZON COUNTY IS PREDOMINANTLY RURAL AND IS GOING TO STAY THAT WAY.
UM, YOU'RE GETTING, YOU HAVE DO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THERE IS AT LEAST ONE LARGE BUSINESS PARK IN THE COUNTY.
SO THERE IS SOME COMMERCIAL IT HAPPENS.
UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY IN THE EASTERN PARTS OF THE COUNTY, UM, THAT WE SPEAK TO WHAT THE PROCESS IS, WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE AND ET CETERA.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU READ MOST SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES IN GLAND COUNTY IS NO DIFFERENT.
IT READS LIKE IT'S WRITTEN FOR YOUR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED SUBDIVISION, WHICH YOU KNOW IT AND IT'S WRITTEN THAT WAY 'CAUSE THAT'S MOST OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS COUNTY WITH SUBDIVISION RE UNDER THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
BUT THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF OF COMMERCIAL.
WE JUST WANT TO KNOW IF WE GET A AN APPLICATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT IN THE COUNTY.
LINDA, MAINLY FOR, UM, MIXED, UH, UH, MPUD UM, UH, DIVISIONS, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S MIXED USE.
WELL, MPUD WOULD PROBABLY BE THE WAY YOU GET MIXED USE IF YOU WANT IT IN THE COUNTY.
BUT THAT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT'S THE WAY YOU WOULD TYPICALLY DO IT.
IF I WANTED TO BUILD A, DEVELOP A, A MIXED USE COMMUNITY, I WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT ZONING PROCESS TO GET THERE.
UM, BUT SOMETIMES THEY HAVE DIFFERENT STREET STANDARDS AND NEED DIFFERENT STREET STANDARDS AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'RE WRITING SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'RE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMES OUR WAY, WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT SUBDIVISION STANDARDS IN PLACE TO, TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH.
BUT, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT MIGHT OCCUR, YOU KNOW, WE DO KNOW THE FOOD LION SHOPPING CENTER OVER HERE.
THEY, THEY HAVE OUT PARCELS, RIGHT? THEY HAVE THE PLACE WHERE HARDEE'S IS, AND OFTEN JUST IN A REGULAR STRIP SHOPPING CENTER, THERE'S A SUBDIVISION THEY WANT TO DO.
'CAUSE THEY WANT THAT OUT PARCEL TO BE SEPARATE SO THAT HARDEE'S CAN BUY IT.
SO THERE IS THAT PART OF COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RESIDENTIAL.
IT MIGHT BE A STRIP SHOPPING CENTER THAT WANTS TO DIVIDE ITS OUT PARCELS.
SO THAT WOULD BE A, AN EXAMPLE OF A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL PIECE GOING THROUGH SUBDIVISION IF THANK YOU.
ON THE PROCESS SIDE OF THINGS, UM, ONE THING WE WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS ARE UP TO DATE.
THAT THEY'RE INTEGRATED WITH THE COUNTY'S GIS THEIR GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM AND THEIR MAPPING SYSTEM.
AND SO THAT OVER TIME IT JUST BECOMES MORE COST EFFECTIVE WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, NOT AS EXPENSIVE BECAUSE WE'VE DIGITIZED THINGS AND SO FORTH.
UM, AND THAT WE'VE SEAMLESSLY INTEGRATED WITH THE ADDRESSING SYSTEM AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION YOU ASKED EARLIER, LINDA, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT RECORDED PLAT, HOW DO YOU GET FROM THERE TO THE ADDRESS TOO? WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT ALL WORKS WELL TOO.
AND THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE TOO.
EMS WOULD HAVE TO KNOW WHERE TO GO IF SOMEBODY'S HAVING A HEART ATTACK OR YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO FIGHT A FIRE OR SOMETHING.
THEY, THEY LOOK FOR THE ADDRESS.
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THAT ALL WORKS WELL TOGETHER.AND THEN THERE'S THE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS IN THE BUY RIGHT SPLITS.
AND SO THOSE ARE TWO PROCESSES TO LOOK AT THE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS.
AGAIN, WE, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR THEM UM, IN THE COUNTY'S REGULATIONS, WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY WORK THE WAY, UM, THE STATE LEGISLATURE INTENDED FOR THEM TO WORK.
AND FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS ARE A WAY FOR SOMEBODY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE A FARMER AND YOU WANNA SPLIT OFF A COUPLE OF TRACKS SO YOUR SON AND YOUR DAUGHTER CAN CONTINUE LIVING ON THE FARM AND CAN CONTINUE FARMING THE PROPERTY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS WAY BACK WHEN.
'CAUSE THIS, THIS IS DONE AROUND THE COUNTRY, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PROPERTIES STAY INTACT.
AND IT'S ALSO, I MEAN, IF YOU JUST, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT A FARMER, I MEAN, THE WAY IT'S EVOLVED TO MAKE SURE THAT MAYBE AN OVERALL TRACT CAN KIND OR AN OVERALL KIND OF SUBDIVISION CAN STAY IN THE FAMILY, PEOPLE CAN LIVE CLOSE TOGETHER.
WE WANT TO, AS MUCH AS WE CAN, MAKE SURE IT COMPLIES WITH THAT INTENT.
WHAT WE DON'T WANT, OR WHAT I'M TOLD BY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MY CLIENTS THAT, THAT THEY DON'T WANNA SEE IS SOMEBODY SPLITS OFF A TRACK FOR THEIR SON OR DAUGHTER AND A MONTH LATER THEY SELL IT OFF TO A DEVELOPER OR SOMETHING.
AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE.
WE REALLY WANT IT, WE WANT TO PROTECT PROPERTY RIGHTS AND PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO DEVELOP, TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC USE THAT THEY EXPECT FROM THEIR PROPERTY.
BUT WE ALSO WANNA RESPECT THE AREA AROUND THEM AND THE COUNTY'S CHARACTER.
THAT, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT, UH, ME AND SOME OF MY FAMILY I HAVING NOW IS WITH THAT.
NOW WHAT HAPPENED IS WE, UH, PRESIDENT OF THAT FAMILY PASSED AWAY AND HE'S, HE HAD 50 ACRES OF LAND AND HE'S SPLIT IT BETWEEN FIVE OF US.
AND IT'S FARM ENFORCEMENT AND IT'S FARM FORCE NOW.
AND THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT TO LEAD IT.
WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF BUILDING ON THAT LAND, BUT WITH THE REGULATIONS THE WAY THEY ARE NOW, THEY'RE TELLING US IT'S A, IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY ALREADY THERE THAT TOUCHES THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S A PAPER RIGHT AWAY.
IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, WHOLE ROAD BUILT.
BUT WITH THE WAY THE REGULATIONS ARE NOW, WE'VE GOTTA SPEND A HUNDRED TO $200,000 TO PUT A ROAD IN.
PLUS IT'S GONNA GO ACROSS OUR HAY FIELD THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DESTROY.
UH, AND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE LAND PERKS.
NOW, THIS IS SECTIONS OF LAND THAT WE'RE NEVER PLANNING ON BUILDING ON NOW.
THEN THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE LAND OCCURS.
I MEAN, WHY DO WE HAVE TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY NOW FOR SOMETHING WE, I MEAN BY THE TIME SOMEBODY BUILDS ON THAT LAND, IT MIGHT BE WATER AND SEWAGE, THE GRAND DE GLAND COUNTY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? RIGHT.
AND OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL ARE WORKING ON THAT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU DEFINITELY SHOULD LOOK INTO BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT THAT INITIALLY WANTED TO DO TO KEEP THAT LAND, THAT FARM TOGETHER.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONE FROM ONE PERSON TO FIVE, WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
AND IT'S JUST MAKING IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO DO THAT WITH THE REGULATIONS THE WAY THEY ARE NOW.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
THAT'S, WE, WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION IS TO HELP FOLKS EXACTLY LIKE YOU.
SO WE'LL, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR, OR COMMENT? OKAY.
FEEL FREE TO KEEP SCRATCHING YOUR HEAD IF YOU WANT.
ARE, ARE YOU GONNA BE LOOKING FOR CONSISTENCY WITH, UH, LIKE DEFINITIONS YES.
SHOW IN SUBDIVISION OR THE SHOW AND ACCESS MANAGEMENT THAT THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE DEFINITIONS OR THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE PORTION AND ALSO RULES OF USAGE AND FOR IF THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN TWO ORDINANCES, WHICH ONE TAKES PRECEDENT? YES, EXACTLY.
THE COMMENT IF EVERYBODY IN HERE IS, ARE WE GONNA LOOK FOR CONSISTENCY AND DEFINITIONS? AND IF THERE HAPPENS TO BE AN INCONSISTENCY, WHICH ONE GOVERNS WHICH ONE TRUMPS THE OTHER ONE? YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I SHOWED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, ALL THE INTERRELATIONSHIPS THAT
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THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE HAS WITH OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY CODE AND WITH ZONING, WE'RE WORKING AROUND ZONING, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN PUT IN PLACE SO WE WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH IT.BUT YEAH, WE ARE SURVEYING AND AUDITING THOSE OTHER DEFINITIONS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE CONSISTENT.
SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND 'CAUSE ON OCCASION YOU COME ACROSS AN ITEM THAT SAYS THE MORE RESTRICTED WILL WILL APPLY.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU SEE IN EVERY ZONING ORDINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT? UM, SO YES, WE WILL, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE, BUT WE WANNA GO THROUGH AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND IDENTIFY THOSE IN ADVANCE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ARGUE ABOUT WHAT'S THE MORE RESTRICTIVE ONE OR SOMETIMES THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE SHOULD APPLY.
SOMETIMES THAT SHOULD BE THE RULE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH, UM, IN THE REGULATIONS.
AND ANOTHER THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS PULL STANDARDS AND PROCESSES OUT OF THE DEFINITIONS.
THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHAT'S CALLED BAD DRAFTING PRACTICE, RIGHT.
AND I DON'T WANT TO CRITICIZE PEOPLE WHO DRAFTED THE ORDINANCE.
I MEAN, THEY MAY HAVE HAD DIRECTIONS TO DO IT THAT WAY, I DON'T KNOW WHY.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THAT BUY RIGHT SPLIT, YOU CAN'T, THE, THE ONLY WAY YOU KNOW HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS IS BY READING THE DEFINITION OF PARENT PARCEL AND THE DEFINITION OF SUBDIVISION.
AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO LOOK THERE, THERE SHOULD BE A SECTION CALLED RIGHT SPLITS AND THESE ARE HOW THEY WORK, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND JUST MAKING SURE THESE ARE ALL IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
AND, UM, AND SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THAT, JUST MAKING SURE WE'VE GOT TRANSPARENCY WITH THAT PROCESS, THE BUY RIGHT SPLIT, IT DOES WHAT THE COUNTY INTENDS FOR IT TO DO AND NO MORE.
UM, AND THAT WE'VE ALSO RESOLVED THE ISSUE WHERE SOMETIMES YOU GET A SMALLER REMAINDER PARCEL THAT MAY HAVE TO REZONE TO ANOTHER DISTRICT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T ALLOW MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS IN THE AG DISTRICTS.
AND SO YOU GET LITTLE SPOTS OF RESIDENTIAL AND YOU GET PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS NOW FOR FAIRLY LARGE TRACKS SOMETIMES.
AND, UM, JUST MAKING SURE THAT, THAT, THAT PROCESS IS WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS IT TO BE.
IT'S SORT OF EVOLVED IN WAYS THAT HAVE BECOME, AT LEAST IN MY MIND AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD AT THE VERY LEAST, CONFUSING.
AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NOT CONFUSING THE PEOPLE, UM, TO USE THAT.
UM, YES, LINDA, UM, ARE YOU GOING TO PLAN ON CHANGING THE, UH, FREE APPLICATION CHECKLIST? WHICH, WHICH NUMBER 14 DEALS WITH PARENT TRACKS? ARE YOU GONNA MORE DEF MAKE A DEFINITE, YOU KNOW, RAY RAY'S GONNA HELP ME OUT.
YEAH, SO THE PRE-APPLICATION PROCESS, THAT'S PART OF THE ZONING PROCESS.
AND SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
SO WE'LL BE UPDATING A FORMS AND THINGS OVER TIME, DEPENDING WHAT THE CHANGES ARE IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO THAT, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.
THAT'S UNDER THE ZONING PROCESS.
WHAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO SAY IS IF WANNA KNOW WHAT A PARENT TRACK IS, THE ONLY WAY THAT I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE CHECKLIST IS, IS IS WHAT FEED ME IN TO.
SO THAT PRE-APPLICATION CHECKLIST THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS PART OF THE ZONING PROCESS FOR PEOPLE.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS TO CHECK FOR BY RIGHTS WHAT'S AVAILABLE ANYWHERE ELSE EXCEPT FOR I HAVE TO GO THROUGH MANY, MANY PAGES TO FIND OUT WHAT THE DEFINITION OF THE PARENT TRACK, RIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE ISSUE WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE.
AND IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT THE AVAILABLE SPLITS ARE WITHOUT FIRST THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND THEN CONTACTING STAFF
SO AGAIN, IT'S PART OF, PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, SO OVER TIME, OTHER, AS WE, ONCE WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WORK ON, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE OTHER FORMS THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED, UM, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT, THAT'S ACROSS MOST OF OUR PROCESSES, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO BE REEVALUATED AND THAT'S SOMETHING STAFF WILL LOOK AT AS AS, AS WE GET TO THE FINAL OF THIS PROCESS.
BUT, BUT THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY IS SORT OF MORE ZONING RELATED.
SO PARENT TRACKS ARE ONLY AVAILABLE IN THE AGRICULTURAL, UM, NO, THAT'S NOT, NO PARENT TRACKS ARE AVAILABLE IN OTHER DISTRICTS AS WELL WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF REGULATION AS FAR AS THE ZONING.
UM, SO YEAH, AGAIN, AND THAT, THAT'S ALL PART OF THE SITUATION, AS YOU SAID, IT'S, YOU JUST ASKED ME A QUESTION THAT'S REALLY UNCLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE
AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT REALLY NEEDS, THIS IS SOMETHING THERE'S, THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAUSE CONFUSION.
THIS ORDINANCE THAT ARE INCONSISTENT WITH ZONING ORDINANCE
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OR WITH STATE CODE, THAT'S ONE OF THE PROCESSES OR PRO OR DEFINITIONS THAT IS PROBABLY LEAST CLEAR, CAUSES A LOT OF PEOPLE CONFUSION AND, AND REQUIRES A WHOLE DIFFERENT TYPE OF SYSTEM.SO THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED TO CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE, LIKE YOU SAID, ALSO MAKING SURE WE'RE ACCOMMODATING IT APPROPRIATELY.
CAN, SO WHEN YOU LOOKING FOR PARENT TRACK OR BUY RIDE SPLITS, IT COMES UP SO THAT YOU CAN EXACTLY FIND IT.
WELL, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE HOW, HOW YOU GET THERE FOR THAT.
AND SO AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SOLUTIONS AT THIS POINT.
WE'RE, WE'RE IDENTIFYING PROBLEMS AND THEN TO WORK THROUGH SOLUTIONS.
THIS WOULD BE A REAL PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WHO ARE IN THE UH, UH, RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA TO, TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PROPERTY, HOW MANY SPLITS ARE AVAILABLE FOR BIG FARMS, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
AND UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS THING.
WE WANNA MAKE THE PROCESS MORE TRANSPARENT FOR PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND AND FIND SOLUTION KNOW SOMETHING I HAVE TO YOU AND, AND, AND SAY, WELL, HOW MANY SPLITS ARE AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, FOR WAS SUCH AND SUCH
AND THAT'S ALSO BY, THAT'S PART OF THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT TYPE OF OPERATION THAT IT HAS IS THAT IT'S HARD TO DETERMINE THAT.
SO IT'S INCON IT'S IT, YOU AS THE A NEIGHBOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE WOULD FIND IT WITHOUT DOING A LOT OF DEED RESEARCH AND, AND OPERATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, IS THAT A PROCESS THAT'S APPROPRIATE WHEN PEOPLE MUST GO THROUGH THAT TYPE OF OPERATION TO DO THINGS? SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'LL EVALUATE AGAIN, HOW THAT FITS AND HOW IT WORKS.
AND YOU KNOW, DEFINITION THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DEPENDENT UPON SPLITS THAT HAVE OCCURRED LONG AGO OR OVER TIME OR HOW THEY OCCURRED.
THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR FOR PEOPLE TO GET ANSWERS EASILY.
UM, I CAN'T SAY THAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD SOLVE THAT, BUT THE BEST, BECAUSE IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY THING, THE OTHERS IS, IT WILL HAVE A PROCESS, OR AT LEAST BETTER DEFINITIONS, COORDINATIONS ABOUT ANY OF OUR PROCESSES OR DIFFERENT LOT OR PROCESS TYPES, UM, IN THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT A LOT CLEARER WITH FLOWCHARTS, OTHER TYPES OF OPERATIONS, YOU KNOW, BUT HOW EXACTLY WE GET THERE AT THIS POINT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
TONIGHT'S REALLY TO KIND OF HEAR BACK ABOUT THINGS AND THEN WE'LL WORK ON SOLUTIONS THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU LATER.
AND SO THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT REALLY POPPED OUT AT US, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR INITIAL REVIEW OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE RELATED DOCUMENTS, UM, TALKING TO STAFF PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE, I IDENTIFIED AS SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES.
AND THE OTHER ONE I MENTIONED WAS DRAFTING, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE THE ORDINANCE IS MORE READABLE.
UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S INTERNALLY CONSISTENT.
YOU KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED EARLIER, JUST SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT THE THRESHOLD IS FOR MINOR PLATS.
'CAUSE IT SAYS, SEEMS TO SAY ONE THING IN ONE PART OF THE ORDINANCE AND ANOTHER THING IN ANOTHER, WE WANNA CLEAR THAT UP IN EXTERNAL, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN ASKED EARLIER, LOOKING AT DEFINITIONS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CODE.
IF THEY'RE DEFINING THE SAME THING, WE EITHER CROSS REFERENCE THAT DEFINITION OR WE ADD TO IT OR SOMETHING.
WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT CONTROLS, IF THERE'S INCONSISTENCIES AND ET CETERA.
SO WANNA MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THIS WORKS AND PLAYS WELL WITH OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN THE COUNTY CODE.
OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN, IN STATE LAW WE WANT, WE'RE ALSO GONNA ADD GRAPHICS, UM, TABLES AND MATRICES.
SOMETIMES YOU COULD TAKE A REALLY LONG PARAGRAPH AND CHOP IT UP INTO A TABLE.
MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE, A LOT MORE READABLE.
WE ADD FLOW CHARTS TO PROCESSES AS WELL SO THAT PEOPLE, AGAIN, KNOW WHO IT APPLIES TO, HOW YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHETHER THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING, WHO MAKES THE DECISION.
AND THIS PROCESS, YOU, THIS APPROVAL YOU JUST GOT, WHAT IS IT AUTHORIZED? IS THERE A NEXT STEP I HAVE TO GO THROUGH, ET CETERA.
SO THOSE ARE USUALLY GOOD VISUAL AIDS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE READING THE ORDINANCE.
UM, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR, OUR SCHEDULE AND THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO ADD OR COMMENTS OR OTHER ISSUES WITH THE ORDINANCE.
UM, BUT THIS IS OUR BASIC PROCESS.
WE'RE THE DIAGNOSTIC PHASE NOW IT'S MAY.
SO WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING OF IT.
WE'RE GONNA DO A WRITTEN REPORT, THE OUTLINE AND ET CETERA.
AND THEN ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA START THE DRAFTING PROCESS.
THAT'S A LOT OF WORK, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.
IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO GET THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT'S CLEAR, EASILY UNDERSTOOD, AND
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ET CETERA.UM, AND IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY CODE THAT INTERFACE WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, RECONCILED, UH, POTENTIAL OR REAL INCONSISTENCIES THROUGHOUT THOSE DOCUMENTS.
AND THEN THE LAST STEP OF COURSE THAT'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR IS THE FORMAL ADOPTION PROCESS.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF TIME BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN WE PUT THE ORDINANCE TOGETHER.
AND THEN ONCE YOU SEE AN INITIAL ORDINANCE, A LOT OF TIME FOR YOU TO, YOU KNOW, REVIEW, COMMENT, LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE HEADED.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, I FEEL LIKE I'VE TALKED WAY TOO LONG.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN SOME GREAT COMMENTS, BUT I WANT TO HEAR MORE.
ANY OTHER ISSUES OR THOUGHTS? YES SIR.
I WAS RAISED IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA BACK IN THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES AND IT WAS A VERY TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY.
I SEE US GETTING AWAY FROM THAT.
AND OUR AVERAGE HOUSE LAST QUARTER WAS $725,000.
THEY ARE CONSISTENTLY ABOUT 200,000 HIGHER THAN ANY SURROUNDING LOCALITY.
DID Y'ALL GET ANY GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNTY MANAGEMENT OF WHETHER WE WANT TO STAY A HIGH RISE, I MEAN A HIGH INCOME BEDROOM COMMUNITY OR GO BACK TO A BIBLE, MULTI INCOME, MULTI EDGE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHILDREN PLAYING LITTLE LEAGUE AND STUFF RIGHT HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA? I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING UNLESS WE TAKE SOME DRASTIC SUBDIVISION CHANGES.
YES, THE SUBDIVISION COULD BE PART OF THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF MINIMIZING OR ELIMINATING UNNECESSARY COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH REVIEWING A SUBDIVISION AS A WAY TO HELP MANAGE HOUSING COSTS.
BUT IT'S A MUCH, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A MUCH, MUCH BIGGER ISSUE THAN JUST THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CAN HELP, BUT IF THE COUNTY WANTS TO TACKLE THAT AND A LOT OF COUNTIES ARE AROUND THE COUNTRY, UM, THAT HOUSING COST ISSUE'S GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF CHANGES TO A LOT OF THINGS.
AND IT'S GOING TO, AND IT'S, IT WOULD ALSO BE CONTROVERSIAL 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY WHO ARE GONNA SAY, WE DON'T WANT SMALLER LOTS AND WE DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THAT KIND OF THING.
WE LIKE OUR LARGE LOTS AND ET CETERA.
SO BE GROWING RIGHT, GROWING FASTEST, GROWING COUNTY IN THE STATE.
I JUST WANT TO SEE IT IN A MORE TOP TO BOTTOM LEVEL THAN WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD THING TO PUT ON THE TABLE THEN.
I, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS 'CAUSE YES, THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH IN THIS REGION.
I MEAN, THE RICHMOND REGION IS GROWING AND WE'RE PART OF THAT REGION, THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, IS IS WHERE MOST OF THE GROWTH IS OCCURRING NOW.
AND YES, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF COUNTIES ARE STRUGGLING WITH THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT MORE HOLISTICALLY, I WOULD THINK THOUGH, THAN WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ALLY, I COME DOWN HERE, I HERE PEOPLE, WE DON'T WANT GROWTH.
WE DON'T WANT THIS, THIS COURTHOUSE AREA.
IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO MULTI-UNIT TOWNHOUSES AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SUBED SUBSIDIZED BY THE COUNTY.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE LIVING HERE.
LIKE MY GRANDCHILDREN, THEY'LL BE GONE IN ANOTHER 10 OR 15 YEARS.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO STAY HERE.
SO THE COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR FOLKS LIVE STREAMING AND, AND PEOPLE WHO MAYBE DIDN'T HEAR IT, THE COMMENT WAS THE COUNTY'S GROWING.
UM, WE'RE GONNA NEED PLACES FOR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS TO LIVE.
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YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE ROOF RIGHT NOW.AND, UM, YEAH, WE NEED TO LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO THAT.
SO MAYBE THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, CAN BE A, A BIG PART OF THAT.
UM, IT PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE THE DRIVER, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HOW THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND CONSIDER WAYS FOR THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO, TO MINIMIZE ANY OF THAT COST INCREASE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR, OR QUESTIONS? NO, I WOULD HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
YOU, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU JUST HAVE YOUR BIRTHDAY.
YOU, YOU'RE ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GOTTA
I LOOKED AT IT WHEN I WAS ON THE PLAN COMMISSION AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT, BUT I'M FOUR MILES IN ROCKCASTLE ROAD, EXTREMELY RURAL FOR YEARS.
STILL DOESN'T HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION.
THE PROPERTY NEXT TO ME BY RIGHT SEVEN BRIGHT UH, CUTS.
IT'S THE ONLY PARCEL I SAW IN THE COUNTY WHILE I WAS ON THE PLAN COMMISSION OR THE EQUITY EQUITABLE.
WHAT IS THIS BOARD OF EQUALIZATION? IS THAT THE ONE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? I WAS ON THE APPEAL FOR IT FOR THE ASSESSMENT YEARS AGO.
IT IS ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH TWO TAX NUMBERS.
SO THEY GOT THE ONE HOUSE WAS ON IT, SO THEY GOT SEVEN CUTS.
DON'T ASK ME WHY, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I'M LOOKING AT SEVEN NEW HOUSES WITHIN SAVE OF MINE.
ONE IS ALREADY OCCUPIED, ONE IS BEING BUILT.
THERE'S FOUR MORE THAT ARE OBSCURED BY TREES THAT I CAN'T SEE, BUT THEY'RE IN SIGHT AND SURROUNDING MY PROPERTY BY RIGHT.
THERE'S PROBABLY 25 CUTS THAT IS NOT KEEPING THIS COUNTY RURAL.
AND I'M GONNA SAY I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE, WE'RE LOOK, TAKING A LOOK AT WITH THE BUY RIGHT SPLIT, WHICH ALLOWS THAT KIND OF THING TO HAPPEN SOMETIMES.
AND THE COMMENT IN CASE PEOPLE DIDN'T HEAR IT WAS, UM, THE GENTLEMAN HERE SAID HE'S GOT, HE LIVES ON A RURAL ROAD, THERE'S NOT EVEN INTERNET SERVICE AND HE'S GOT A A, THERE'S SEVEN CUTS BY RIGHT, RIGHT NEXT TO HIS HOUSE.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS CHANGING THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THAT AREA INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
ANYONE ELSE? WELL, IF THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER COMMENTS, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT TONIGHT.
THIS IS IT IMPORTANT TO THE COUNTY'S FUTURE AND, UH, YOUR INPUT, UH, IS SOMETHING WE, YOU KNOW, I CAN ASSURE YOU WE'RE GONNA CAREFULLY CONSIDER.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP AND, AND FOR YOUR COMMENTS TONIGHT.
AND PLEASE, UH, KEEP GOING TO THE, THE SUBDIVISION REWRITE, UH, WEBSITE.
YOU'LL SEE SOME NEW MATERIAL ON THAT, UH, MIDDLE OF JUNE AT LEAST.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE MORE DOCUMENTS COME YOUR WAY.
EXCUSE ME MA'AM, DO A PRESENTATION BEYOND THE WEBSITE.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT ON THE WEBSITE, RAY? THIS IS, THIS WILL BE POSTED, THIS LAST JUNE WILL BE POSTED ON THERE.
WE COULD ALSO PUT A SLIDE, WE COULD ALSO DO THE SLIDES AS WELL.
YES, THE SLIDE DECK AND THE LIVESTREAM WILL GO ON THE WEBSITE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, WHEN WAS LAST TIME WE GOT A CLAP?
BEFORE YOU EXIT OUT? EXCUSE ME? BEFORE YOU EXIT OUT.
I HAVEN'T, I CAN'T EXIT OUT RIGHT NOW.
CAN YOU BACK, CAN YOU BACK THE SLIDES UP? SURE.