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GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE JUNE MEETING[1. Call To Order]
OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR OCHIN COUNTY.MS. MORGAN, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? YES, SIR.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE IMPLICATION?
[2. Pledge of Allegiance]
I CLOSE TO THE ACT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE TRIAL.OH LORD, OUR GOD, WE OFFER, WE COME TO OFFER UP A WORD OF THANKS FOR YOUR GOODNESS AND YOUR MERCY AS WE COME TOGETHER TO PROMOTE THE WELLBEING OF THE PEOPLE OF GLAND.
[3. Invocation - Led By Mr. Kemmerly]
AS THE PRODUCTS WE CREATE.PLEASE LORD, GIVE US THE BLESSING THAT OUR WORDS AND OUR ACTIONS ARE ONE, AND THAT WE ARE ABLE TO LISTEN TO EACH OTHER.
AND IN SO DOING, WE SHALL WITH GOOD HEART, WALK HAND IN HAND, FACE THE FUTURE, AND CONTINUE TO GIVE US THE WISDOM AND THE COURAGE THAT WE ALL NEED.
[4. Approval of Minutes]
OKAY, UM, REGARDING APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE LAST MEETING, ANY CHANGES OR COMMENTS, OR I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE MAY 16TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.[A. Minutes of May 16, 2024 6:00 PM]
AYE.ANY OPPOSED? APPROVE THE MINUTES PASSED.
UM, I, I'M GONNA OPEN UP TO THE CI CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD,
[5. Citizen Comment Period]
AND THAT IS, ANYBODY WANTS TO GET UP AND SAY SOMETHING, BUT NOT, NOT WITH THE BUSINESS THAT WE HAD IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT.[6. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions, or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings]
HEARING, WE HAVE NO REQUEST TO DEFER ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES TO THE, I'M SORRY.NO REQUEST TO DEFER ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES TO THE ORDER OF PUBLIC HEARINGS.
CASE ONE, NUMBER ONE, DISTRICT ONE CU 24 20 24 13.
APPLICATION BY JAMES MEYERS REQUESTING
[1. District 1 - CU-2024-00013 Application by James Myers requesting to renew conditional use permit (CUP) case CU-2003-00013 for a detached accessory family housing unit on 3.564 acres at 4964 Shannon Road on Tax Map No. 4-2-0-17-0. The property is zoned Agricultural, General (A-1). The CUP is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-102 in accordance with Sec. 15-285.A. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Rural Enhancement Area.]
TO RENEW CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C-U-P-K-C 2003 13 FOR DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT ON 3.564 ACRES AT 4 9 6 4 SHANNON ROAD ON TAX MAP NUMBER 4 2 0 17 0.THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL A ONE.
THE CUP IS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15,102 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15 285 A.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RULE ENHANCEMENT AREA.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS BEN ELLIS AND I'M PRESENTING, UH, THIS, OH, EXCUSE ME, MY APOLOGIES.
MY NAME'S BEN ELLIS, UH, FOR THE RECORD.
AND I'M A PLANNER WITH THE COUNTY.
UH, WE'LL PRESENTING THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA BEFORE, USE AN APPLICATION BY JAMES MYERS TO RENEW HIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTY.
UM, THE PROPERTY CONTAINS PRINCIPAL DWELLING, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING, AND SEVERAL GARAGES AND SHEDS, AND THE PROPERTY EXHIBITS A RURAL RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
THE PROPERTY AND THESE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED AGRICULTURE GENERAL A ONE, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.
THE CUP FOR AN ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2003.
AFTER ITS INITIAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD, THE CUP WAS RENEWED FOR 15 YEARS.
WITH THIS RENEWAL APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE OPERATIONS OR FACILITIES.
HOWEVER, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED CHANGES IN THE LANGUAGE TO REFLECT THE COUNTY'S STANDARD CONDITIONS FOR THIS CUP USE.
UH, BEFORE USE, THE APPLICANT'S CONCEPTUAL PLAN IN GREEN IS THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING, AND IN RED IS THE ACCESSORY DWELLING.
GIVEN THESE IMPOSED CONDITIONS, THIS PROPOSAL'S GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ON APRIL 22ND, THE APPLICANT HOSTED A COMMUNITY MEETING.
SIX CITIZENS WERE IN ATTENDANCE, AND THE CITIZENS WERE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE
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RENEWAL.STAFF RECOMMENDS THE, UH, THE STANDARD CONDITIONS FOR THIS USE.
UM, THAT BEING THAT THE USE SHALL BE AN ATTACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT, THAT THE USE, UH, SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE FAMILY OF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING RESIDENCE.
THAT IT SHALL NOT BE RENTED SEPARATELY.
THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE CARBON MONOXIDE AND SMOKE DETECTORS AND THE ACCESSORY DWELLING AND THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL, UH, PROVIDE EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THE DWELLING STAFF RECOMMENDS A 15 YEAR EXPIRATION PERIOD.
AND LASTLY, WE HAVE INCLUDED OUR STANDARD TRANSFER AND LEAVES, UH, LANGUAGE.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS HAS, I'M SORRY.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS HAS, UH, BEEN AN ACTIVE, UH, ACCESSORY USE OF DWELLING AND FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS? YES, SIR.
AND HAVE THERE BEEN ANY INCIDENTS? NO, SIR.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, IMPROVEMENTS OR NEED TO BE IMPROVEMENTS FOR IN TERMS OF THE ROAD OR THE ACCESS? UM, STAFF VISITED THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD ON SITE, UH, STAFF VISITED AT THAT TIME PERIOD.
AND, UM, NO, I, UH, DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ANY IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED AT THIS TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? GIMME A MINUTE.
UH, AND WE'VE HAD IT FOR LIKE 20 YEARS, AND MY GOAL IS I'M 77 NOW, AND I KNOW IN TIME I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF MYSELF, BUT THE LITTLE HOUSE WILL WORK GREAT FOR ME.
MY FAMILY COULD TAKE MY MAJOR HOUSE AND I COULD SPEND THE REST OF MY YEARS THERE INSTEAD OF MY NURSING HOME.
THAT'S, UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.
GROUP PUBLIC HEARING, I'M SORRY.
UM, OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
SO LET'S, UM, I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU 2 0 2 4 0 0 0 1 3 FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT AT 4 9 6 4 SHANNON ROAD.
SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED MOTION IS PASSED.
THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASSES ON A FIVE ZERO VOTE.
THIS CASE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON AUGUST THE SIXTH, 2024, WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISTRICT FOUR CU 20 24 11
[2. District 4 - CU-2024-00011 Application by Kevin and Deborah Roderick requesting a conditional use permit (CUP) for a detached accessory family housing unit on 4.636 acres at 494 Broad Street Road on Tax Map No. 46-43-0-2-0. The property is zoned Agricultural, Limited (A-2). The CUP is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-112 in accordance with Sec. 15-285.A. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Rural Enhancement Area.]
APPLICATION BY KEVIN AND DEBORAH RODERICK REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, CUP FOR DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT ON 4.636 ACRES AT 4 9 4 BROAD STREET ROAD ON TAX MAP 46 43 0 2 0.THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED A TWO.
THE CUP IS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15 112 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15 285 A.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS A RULE ENHANCEMENT AREA.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, UM, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS BEN ELLIS AGAIN AND, UM, BEFORE USE AN APPLICATION BY KEVIN AND DEBORAH RODERICK, UH, FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST WEST OF CENTERVILLE VILLAGE.
UH, THE AERIAL IMAGERY SHOWS SOME CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY ON THE SITE.
THE APPLICANTS ARE CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTING A DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY AS THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BY RIGHT.
THE PROPERTY OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO AND THE RULE, AND IN THE COMMU IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.
THE PROPERTY WAS CREATED IN 2018 OUT OF
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A LARGER PROPERTY OUTLINED IN BLUE.THE PROPERTY SHARES ACCESS TO THE BROAD STREET ROAD THROUGH AN EASEMENT ON THE NEIGHBORING PARCEL, UH, BEFORE YOU IS THE APPLICANT'S CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
MY APOLOGIES LOCATED RIGHT HERE IS THAT EASEMENT.
THE APPLICANTS ARE CONSTRUCTING THE DETACH GARAGE WITH AN ACCESSORY DWELLING AS THEY MADE BY RIGHT CONSTRUCTED A LOAN.
THIS WILL BE CONSIDERED A FAM SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
THE APPLICANT'S WILL BE, UH, CONSTRUCT THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING UPON APPROVAL OF THIS CUP GIVEN THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS.
THIS PROPOSAL'S GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE APPLICANT'S HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING ON APRIL 23RD.
THREE CITIZENS ATTENDED, INCLUDING COMM.
IN ADDITION, COMMISSIONER COSBY, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF THE USAGE OF THE DWELLING CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
CITIZENS WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE STANDARD, UH, CONDITIONS FOR THIS USE.
THAT BEING THAT THIS USE IS A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT, THAT IT BE LIMITED TO ONLY THE FAMILY OF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING UNIT RESIDENCE.
THAT IT SHALL NOT BE RENTED SEPARATELY.
THAT THE APPLICANTS WILL PROVIDE A WORKING CARBON MONOXIDE AND SMOKE DETECTORS AND THE DWELLING, AND THAT THE APPLICANTS WILL PROVIDE EMERGENCY ACCESS TO SUCH DWELLING, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS A FIVE YEAR, UH, EXPIRATION PERIOD.
AND LASTLY, STAFF HAS INCLUDED, THERE ARE STANDARD TRANSFER AND LEASE LANGUAGE AND, UM, BE WILLING TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME WHEN WE DO THESE SORT OF THINGS.
IS FIVE YEARS ALWAYS THE RECOMMENDED? INITIALLY, YES.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND I, AND I APOLOGIZE, I WAS THERE, I WAS AT THE MEETING, BUT IT WAS A WHILE AGO.
SO THE GARAGE UNIT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR ALREADY BUILT.
UH, BUILDING PERMIT HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THAT BUILDING.
UM, IT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED THOUGH.
SO NO ONE CURRENTLY IS LIVING ON THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT COMPLETED IN THE, UM, IN THE LARGER RESIDENCE.
IT'S NOT, HAS NOT BEEN ISSUED A BUILDING PERMIT 'CAUSE REQUIRES THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
NOBODY IS RESIDING ON THE PROPERTY.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING FOR THE RECORD.
UM, MY NAME IS KEVIN RODERICK.
THANK YOU MR. ELLIS AND, UH, THROUGH THE MISSION FOR HEARING US OUT.
IT'S 6 6 8 3 FOXTON ROAD, MANASSAS, VIRGINIA.
AND, UH, IN 2001, MY WIFE AND I CAME DOWN TO RICHMOND IN SEARCH OF, UH, A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO PERHAPS RETIRE TO.
WE FELL IN LOVE WITH GLAND COUNTY, ENDED UP BUYING THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
AND, UM, OUR INTENT WAS TO BUILD OUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND THEN AT SOME FUTURE POINT BUILD, UM, A SHOP AND A, A, A ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UNFORTUNATELY IN TWO, UH, FOR, UH, HER PARENTS OR MY PARENTS, UH, WHO AT THE TIME WERE STILL LIVING IN, UM, 2022, MY FATHER-IN-LAW PASSED AWAY.
AND, UH, THAT KINDA SHIFTED OUR PRIORITIES A LITTLE BIT AND WE DECIDED TO PROCEED WITH THE SHOP AND THE, UH, UH, THE, THE IN-LAW SUITE.
UH, AND MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, UM, SOLD HER HOME IN, UM, UH, APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
AND SHE'S MO LIVING WITH US CURRENTLY.
AND THE PLAN IS THAT IN, UH, SEPTEMBER WHEN THE PROPERTY IS THE, THE BUILDING IS COMPLETE, THAT SHE WOULD MOVE IN AND THAT WOULD BE HER PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
AT THAT TIME, WE WOULD, UPON APPROVAL OF THE COP, WE WOULD, UH, BEGIN CONSTRUCTION OF OUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'LL NOW OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
OKAY, NOW LET'S, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I MOVE WITH THE COMMISSION, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU 2020 4 0 0 0 1 1 FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY, UH,
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FAMILY HOUSING UNIT AT 4 9 4 BROAD STREET ROAD, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.ANY OPPOSED? MOTION IS PASSED.
THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PASS IS ON A FIVE ZERO VOTE.
THIS CASE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON AUGUST THE SIXTH WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISTRICT ONE CU 20 24 12 APPLICATION BY PLEASANT GROVE FARM, LLC REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, CUP FOR AN UNHOSTED, SHORT-TERM
[3. District 1 - CU-2024-00012 Application by Pleasant Grove Farm, LLC requesting a conditional use permit (CUP) for an unhosted short-term rental and public assembly place, and for a paved parking waiver, on 103.92 acres at 4615 Old Fredericksburg Road on Tax Map No. 6-1-0-62-0. The property is zoned Agricultural, General (A-1). The CUP is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-102 in accordance with Secs. 15-285.G and 15-290. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Rural Enhancement Area.]
RENTAL AND PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE.AND FOR A PAVED PARKING WAIVER ON 103.92 ACRES AT 4 6 1 5 OLD FREDERICKSBURG ROAD ON TAX MAP NUMBER 6 1 0 62 0.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL A ONE.
THE CUP IS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 15 1 0 2 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15 2 80 5G AND 15 2 90.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RULE ENHANCEMENT AREA.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, TOM COLEMAN, PRINCIPLE PLANNER, AS MS. MORTON INDICATED, THIS NEXT APPLICATION IS A CONDITION APPLICATION SEEKING TWO USES, A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE AND AN UNHOSTED SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THIS IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHWESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ABOUT A MILE, SORT OF WEST NORTHWEST OF THE I 64 OS FREDERICKSBURG ROAD INTERCHANGE.
UM, THAT'S THE INTERCHANGE THAT HAS THE C**N DRIVE-IN THEATER, UM, ON ONE QUADRANT, UM, BETWEEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE INTERCHANGE INCLUDES A MIDPOINT INDUSTRIAL PARK AND A SITE THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE HG MEATS PROCESSING FACILITY.
UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DOES HAVE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, RURAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, TO THE NORTH, AND ONE THAT SORT OF WRAPS AROUND TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH HAYDENVILLE FARMS. UM, AND LOOK AT THEIR PHOTO, SORT OF SEE THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DOES INCLUDE SOME CLEARED AREAS THAT, UH, REALLY LEND IT TO FARMING.
AND THERE ARE ALSO SOME FORCED USES TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, BUT GENERALLY THE AREA DOES REFLECT SORT OF A RURAL RESIDENTIAL SORT OF RURAL CHARACTER LOOKED AT.
SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURALLY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALSO ZONED AGRICULTURALLY.
AND LOOKING AT THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN MAP, YOU DO SEE SOME INDUSTRIAL ZONING, UM, BETWEEN SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THE INTERSTATE THAT'S RELATED TO THE MIDPOINT INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND THAT'S ALSO REFLECTED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED AS OF RURAL, RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREAS, BUT THERE ARE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOME INDUSTRIAL THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH MIDPOINT INDUSTRIAL PARK AND SOME UNDEVELOPED COMMERCIAL AREA.
UM, AGAIN, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE INTERCHANGE.
LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, UM, THE PREDOMINANT FEATURE IS THE, THE MAIN HOUSE.
IT'S, UH, UH, I WILL, THE TWO DWELLINGS ARE BOTH CONSTRUCTED IN THE 18 HUNDREDS.
UM, THIS MAIN HOUSE IS ABOUT 4,900 SQUARE FEET.
UH, IT DOES INCLUDE A LARGE OUTDOOR PORCH AND PATIO AREA AND A FIRE PIT, UH, TO THE REAR OF THE SITE.
UM, ALSO IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE HOUSE, THERE'S THAT, UH, SORT OF A BARN WORKSHOPS, A TWO STORY STRUCTURE.
IT'S ABOUT 1400 SQUARE FEET AND IT'S SORT OF A SHED LOCATED BEHIND THAT.
AND, UH, AS WE GET INTO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE WILL BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
UM, AND RIGHT BEHIND THESE STRUCTURES, UH, THERE'S A GUEST HOUSE THAT'S LOCATED MORE TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN PIECE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S ABOUT 1100 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE APPLICANTS INDICATED THAT AS PART OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, UM, OF THE MAIN HOUSE, THAT THEY WOULD, UH, STAY IN THE GUEST HOUSE WHILE GUESTS ARE LODGING IN THE MAIN HOUSE.
UM, WHAT IS, UH, WE DON'T HAVE PICTURES OF ARE THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY FACILITIES.
UH, IN THE SHORT TERM, THEY DO INTEND TO HAVE TENTS, UM, AS THEY START THEIR OPERATIONS.
BUT THE LONG TERM PLAN IS TO CONSTRUCT AN OPEN SORT OF TIMBER FRAME STRUCTURE OR PAVILION THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 2,400 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AND HAVE AN OCCUPANCY OF ABOUT 150.
SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF USE YOUR IMAGINATION FOR THOSE ITEMS. UM, LOOK AT THE ACCEPTABLE PLAN.
UM, WHAT I'VE TRIED TO DO IS HIGHLIGHT AND READ SOME OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
THAT'S WHERE THE MAIN HOUSE IS LOCATED.
UM, THERE IS THE, THAT BARN IT SHOWED YOU SHOWED EARLIER.
AND THEN THE, THE GUEST HOUSE LOCATED FOR FURTHER SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN SORT OF IN BLUE WOULD BE SORT OF THE IMPACTED SITE.
THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS, UH, THAT DO HAVE THAT AREA.
THEY WOULD START OUT FOR TENTS BUT EVENLY EVENTUALLY, UM, THEY WOULD CONSTRUCT A PAVILION IN THAT AREA AND THEN AN AREA WHERE THEY'RE PARKING AND THEIR OVERFLOW PARKING WOULD BE LOCATED.
UM, AND, UH, AND OPERATING THEIR PUBLIC USE.
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PUT FORTH AS THEIR OPERATIONS, THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE A MAX OF 200 GUESTS.UM, THEY WANTED TO HAVE 34 EVENTS PER YEAR.
RECOGNIZING THAT SOME OF THOSE EVENTS MIGHT HAVE A SECONDARY KIND OF SESSION USE, LIKE MAYBE SOMEBODY HAS A WEDDING, THEY MIGHT ALSO HAVE A REHEARSAL PARTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THEY'LL, I'LL GO OVER THAT AGAIN IN MORE DETAIL WITH THE CP CONDITIONS.
UM, BUT THEY DID WANNA BASICALLY HAVE LIKE ABOUT 150 EVENTS OR LESS, ABOUT 32 TIMES PER YEAR, BUT TWICE A YEAR.
THEY DID WANT TO GO ABOVE 150 AND GO TO THAT 200.
AND AGAIN, THAT'LL BE REFLECTED IN THE CONDITIONS.
UH, EXCEPTIONAL PLAN DID SHOW THAT LOCATION FOR THE SHIN TENTS IN THE SHORT TERM AND THE FUTURE PAVILION.
UH, THEY WANTED TO PROVIDE ABOUT 50, UH, PARKING SPACES, UH, PREFERABLY GRAVEL AT THEIR INITIAL STARTUP.
UH, NINE TO 11 WOULD BE THEIR OPERATIONS AND ALL OF THE SERVICES, THE FOOD SERVICE, ENTERTAINMENT, PORTA POTTIES, ET CETERA, WOULD BE, UH, BROUGHT TO THE SITE AND REMOVED FROM THE SITE FOR EACH EVENT.
AS FAR AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AS ALLUDED TO EARLIER, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A CEP FOR A HOSTED SHORT-TERM RENTAL, BUT THEIR INTENT IS TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE UNHOSTED SHORT-TERM RENTAL AT THE MAIN HOUSE.
AND, UH, WITH WITHOUT APPROVAL, THEY, THEY COULD, UH, RESIDE OR THEY INDICATED THEY, THEY WOULD STAY IN THE, THAT, UH, THAT GUEST HOUSE IN VE OF THE PROPERTY.
WHEN GUESTS ARE STAYING IN THE MAIN HOUSE.
UM, THEY ALSO HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY WANT TO OPERATE A NUMBER OF FARM RELATED ACTIVITIES, AGRIBUSINESS OR AGRI AGRITOURISM.
THINGS LIKE PICK YOUR OWN FARM OPERATION.
YOU KNOW, THEY, UH, SOME EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES, SO THEY DO PLAN ON THERE OTHER BEING OTHER ACTIVITIES ON SITE, BUT THOSE ARE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT AND DON'T REQUIRE A REDUCED USE PERMIT.
UM, AND THEY'VE ALSO, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME PONDS WITH DOCKS ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE STALLING SOME WALKING TRAILS AND BIKE TRAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AGAIN, THOSE TYPES OF USES WOULD NOT REQUIRE, UM, CUP.
JUST A, A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE CLOSEST DWELLINGS.
AGAIN, YOU CAN KINDA SEE WHERE SOME OF THE, THE, UH, FAIR AMOUNT OF THE PROPERTY IS CLEARED AND WOODLAND ITSELF TO THE FARMING AND FARM RELATED ACTIVITIES.
UM, THE CLOSEST STRUCTURES ARE ACTUALLY TO THE NORTH, UH, UH, OF ACROSS FREDERICKSBURG ROAD ABOUT 900 FEET.
AND THEN, UH, IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST, ABOUT 700 FEET DUE WEST OF THEIR ACTIVITY AREA.
UM, ABOUT 1500 TO THE SOUTH AND THEN ABOUT 1100, UM, TO THE EAST.
UM, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING IN APRIL.
THERE WERE 12 ATTENDEES, INCLUDING SUPERVISORS, CHRISTIE AND LYLE.
UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT THAT MEETING, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT'S PLANS ON HOW THEY WANT, HOW THEY PLAN TO MARKET THE PROPERTY, THE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES THEY PLANNED FOR THE PROPERTY.
POTENTIAL GROUNDWATER IMPACTS THE LOCATIONS OF THOSE TRAILS I MENTIONED EARLIER, AND THE POSSIBILITY OF MOTORIZED VEHICLES ON THE TRAILS, HOSTING MULTIPLE EVENTS AT ONCE.
UM, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THERE WAS THE POTENTIAL NOISE ABOUT SHOOTING AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
THE APPLICANT DID TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR MAYBE DOING A FIRE RANGE, MAYBE FOR DOING A DAY CAMP, BUT THEY ULTIMATELY DID NOT INCLUDE THOSE IN THEIR APPLICATIONS.
SO YOU'LL SEE A REFERENCE TO THAT IN THE COMMUNITY MEETING, BUT IT'S NOT A PART OF THE APPLICATION.
UH, WE'LL SAY THAT THE, THE ATTENDEES AT THE MEETING WERE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION.
AS WE GET INTO THE CEP CONDITIONS, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS.
I WON'T, UM, READ THROUGH MOST OF THEM, BUT WE'LL TOUCH BASE ON THEM.
UM, THE FIRST ONE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE INTERNAL ACCESS, UM, THAT MEETS THE, THE GUCCI FIRE RESCUE AND, AND DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.
THE SECOND ONE WOULD PROHIBIT PARKING ON OLD FREDERICKSBURG ROAD.
THE THIRD ONE WOULD PROHIBIT FIREWORKS.
THE FOURTH WOULD PREVENT HUNTING OR FIREARMS BY GUESTS.
UH, FIFTH ONE IS OUR STANDARD CONDITION REGARDING THE TRANSFER OR LEASE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE LAST ONE IS THE EXPIRATION DATE OF AUGUST, UH, 2029.
UH, WE GET TO THE NEXT SET OF CONDITIONS.
THESE REALLY APPLY MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE.
UH, NUMBER SEVEN DOES ALLOW THAT PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, UM, ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, NUMBER EIGHT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO GENERATE ADHERE THAT EXCEPT PLAN SHOWED YOU EARLIER.
UH, NUMBER NINE WOULD RE ANY WOULD REQUIRE ANY NEW STRUCTURES TO SORT OF RETAIN OR, UM, EXHIBIT A RULE OR FARM CHARACTER, OR RESEMBLE ONE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT ON SITE NUMBER 10 THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO GET ALL OF THEIR NECESSARY APPROVALS BEFORE OPERATING THE PUBLIC PLACE.
A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE ACTIVITY, UM, NUMBER 11 WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF 38 PARKING SPACES AND TO PROVIDE OVERFLOW PARKING.
UH, THEY ARE REQUIRING A, ARE REQUESTING A, A PAVED PARKING WAIVER.
SO NUMBER 12 WOULD GIVE THEM A PAVED PARKING WAIVER EXCEPT FOR HANDICAPPED PARKING.
HANDICAPPED PARKING MUST BE PAVED.
UM, NUMBER 13 WOULD LIMIT THEM TO AN ANNUAL OF 34, THE PUBLIC SEMI PLACE ACTIVITIES PER YEAR.
UH, NUMBER 14, IT WOULD GENERALLY LIMIT THEM TO 150 PEOPLE PER ACTIVITY, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO TWICE A YEAR TO GO BETWEEN 150 AND 200 UM, ATTENDEES AT AN EVENT, UH, THE
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HOURS OF OPERATION IT'S FRIDAY AND SATURDAY WOULD BE NINE TO 11, UH, WITH SOUND OR AMPLIFIED SOUND.UM, SUNDAY WOULD BE 11 TO 10 WITH THE AMPLIFIED SOUND CEASING AT NINE O'CLOCK.
AND THEN THERE WOULD BE NO EVENTS HELD MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
UH, GENERALLY THE AMPLIFIED SOUND OUTDOORS, UM, IT, IT COULD BE THEY COULD HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND INSIDE A STRUCTURE OR INSIDE A TENT OR SOMETHING THAT HAS FLAPS ON IT.
BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE ONLY AMPLIFIED SOUND THAT COULD HAVE OUTDOORS WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH A WEDDING.
UM, THE NUMBER 17 REGARDING TENTS THE APPLICANT DID INTEND, UH, DID STATE THEIR INTENT TO HAVE TENTS IN THEIR EARLY OPERATIONS.
UH, THIS WOULD REQUIRE THOSE TENTS IF THEY'RE INSTALLED TO BE TAKEN DOWN WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF THE EVENTS.
CONCLUSION, UH, EVERY TEAM WOULD LIMIT THEM TO ONE SIGN.
NUMBER 19, IF THEY INSTALL ANY OUTDOOR LIGHTING, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET A LIGHTING PLAN FOR THAT.
UH, NUMBER 20 IS OUR STANDARD CONDITION REGARDING UNIFORM SECURITY, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THESE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE, UH, LOCATIONS.
UH, NUMBER 21, AGAIN, STANDARD CONDITION AS IT RELATES TO, UH, SERVING ENSUING ALCOHOL AS IT RELATES TO THOSE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, UH, ACTIVITIES.
UH, NUMBER 22 WOULD REQUIRE THE ANNUAL NOTICE NOW AS MOVING TO THE NEXT SET.
THESE ARE MORE GEARED TOWARDS THE SHORT TERM RENTAL UNHOSTED, UM, PART OF THE CEP, UH, THE FIRST ONE, NUMBER 23 WOULD ALLOW THE, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL TO TAKE PLACE.
UH, NUMBER 24 WOULD LIMIT THEIR MAXIMUM, MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY TO 10 PEOPLE.
UH, NUMBER 25 WOULD REQUIRE THE CARBON MONOXIDE AND MO AND THE SMOKE DETECTOR TO BE INSTALLED.
UM, AGAIN, THE THE 26, UH, WOULD LIMIT THEIR, UH, OUT AMPLIFIED SOUND AND, AND REALLY ALLOW NO OUTDOOR MUSIC AFTER 10 O'CLOCK.
UH, NUMBER 27 DOES REQUIRE THEM TO INSTALL NO TRESPASSING SIGNS, UM, TO, UH, MAKE SURE THEIR GUESTS ARE AWARE OF THEIR PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.
AND, UH, NUMBER 28 WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO PROVIDE NOTICE TO THEIR GUESTS OF FOUR SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT WE, THAT ARE, WE'VE MENTIONED THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE LIMIT OF 10 PEOPLE.
THE NO AMPLIFIED SOUND OUTDOORS, AND NO MUSIC AT ALL OUTDOORS AFTER 10 O'CLOCK.
UH, OBSERVING THE NO TRESPASSING SIGNS AND THE NO HUNTING OR DISCHARGING OF FIREARMS ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO YOU SAY THERE'S SURFACE WATER PONDS ON THE PROPERTY.
IS THERE, UH, ANY RESTRICTIONS? UH, ARE THEY UNDER ANY RESTRICTIONS OR, OR OBLIGATIONS TO FENCE THAT OR SOMEHOW, I MEAN, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THAT.
I MEAN, MAYBE IF THE APPLICANT HAS ANY MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND THE GUESTS THAT, THAT GO TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, THERE WILL BE SIGNS THERE THAT, THAT ALLOW THEM TO KNOW WHERE THE NEXT PROPERTY STARTS.
I'M SORRY, THE IF RELATES TO THE SIGNS, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YEAH, NO, NO TRESPASSING SIGNS.
THOSE ARE INTENDED TO KEEP GUESTS ON THAT ON THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? ON THAT PROPERTY, YEAH.
'CAUSE TYPICALLY WITH THE STR, THOSE MIGHT BE UNS WITH THE UNHOSTED, THEY WOULD BE UNSUPERVISED, AND THAT'S JUST TO, TO TRY TO KEEP, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STAY ON THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU HAD MENTION OF POSSIBLE MOTORIZED, UM, TRAVEL AROUND THE, THE, THE TRAILS MAYBE? UM, YEAH, I COULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MORE WHAT THEIR VISION IS FOR THE PROPERTY AND WHAT THEIR VISION IS FOR THOSE BIKE TRAILS ON THE PROPERTY.
BECAUSE THOSE WOULD NOT BE REGULATED BY THE CEP, SO THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
WHAT IS CONSIDERED, UM, HOW LONG IS IT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL? SHORT TERM RENTAL? IS IT 30 DAYS? 30 DAYS OR LESS? SO ARE THEY MARKETING THIS AS AIRBNB? I MEAN, I, THEY, I THINK THEY'D INDICATED IT WOULD BE ON LIKE VRBO OR AIRBNB AND THEY CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD PLAN TO MARKET THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE, THE EVENT THAT'S GOING ON, THIS PEOPLE COULD BE THERE OUTSIDE OF THE EVENT THAT'S HAPPENING.
COULD, I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE CP IS CONCERNED, THEY'RE SEPARATE USES AND THEY COULD OCCUR AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, YOU MENTIONED THEIR INTENT WAS TO STAY IN THE GUEST HOUSE IF THE MAIN HOUSE WAS BEING OCCUPIED.
IS THAT, I'M SORRY, YOU MENTIONED THAT THEIR INTENT WAS TO STAY IN THE GUEST HOUSE, THE MAIN HOUSE WAS BEING OCCUPIED? YES.
WHEN THE, WHEN THE, UM, WHAT'S REGULATED THOUGH, WHEN PEOPLE ARE STAYING IN THE MAIN HOUSE? YEAH.
THEY DO HAVE THE EXISTING GUEST HOUSE THEY COULD STAY IN.
BUT IT'S NOT BEING REGULATED BY THE CP.
IT STILL, IT WOULD STILL BE, UM, FOR, IT'S STILL STILL CONSIDERED UNHOSTED, SO BEING ON THE PROPERTY DOES NOT CONSTITUTE HOSTED.
SO AS FAR AS THE HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY, JUST SO I CAN CLARIFY, IT WAS ALL, THEY WANT THE WAIVER ON THAT, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PAVED EXCEPT FOR THE HANDICAP
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SPACES.THEY, UM, THE, OUR REQUIREMENTS THAT ANY PARKING, I THINK IS OVER 25, HAS TO BE PAVED.
SO A LOT OF TIMES FOR THESE KIND OF THE RURAL ACTIVITIES ACTUALLY PAVING IT IS LESS RURAL IN CHARACTER.
SO THERE IS THIS SPECIFIC PROVISION TO ALLOW THEM TO ASK FOR A WAIVER.
SO THAT WAIVER IS INCLUDED IN THIS REQUEST EXCEPT FOR HANDICAPPED PARKING.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS TO BE PAVED.
AND WHAT IS THE CURRENT, UM, I GUESS FLOOR BASE OF THE TENT? IS IT DIRT? UH, THE, WHAT IS THE BASE OF THE TENT? IS THERE, UM, IS IT POURED CONCRETE, IS IT DIRT? OR WHAT IS I I WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
BECAUSE WE, WE HAVEN'T, AS FAR AS THE CEP CONCERNED, WE HAVEN'T DUG INTO THAT.
CERTAINLY WHEN THEY PROVIDE THEIR SITE PLANS AND THEIR BILLING PLANS, WE'RE GONNA GET MORE DETAIL ON THAT, BUT THEY MAY HAVE SOME MORE INSIGHT ON THAT.
WHAT THEIR VISION FOR THAT IS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GO BACK, I DUNNO HOW FAR YOU HAVE TO GO BACK IN TERMS OF THE SCREEN.
IT SHOWED THE PARKING, IT SAID 38 SPACES.
SO ADDITIONAL PARKING COULD, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT SCREEN WHERE IT SHOWED THE PARKING, I THINK IN BLUE, WHERE WOULD THE ADDITIONAL PARKING BE THAT YOU, I THINK GO BACK ONE.
UM, WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SHOW THE OVERFLOW PARKING ON HERE OR THAT'S NOT HERE.
TYPICALLY THE OVERFLOW PARKING IS GONNA BE VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE PARKING BECAUSE THIS, THEY'RE GONNA SHARE THE SAME ACCESS.
SO THE IDEA WITH THE OVERFLOW PARKING IS, IT COULD BE GRASS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE IDEA IS THAT IT'S ONLY GONNA BE USED OCCASIONALLY.
UM, I THINK SORT OF THE VISION WITH THIS PROPERTY IS THE, THE 38 SPACES IS THE CODE REQUIREMENT FOR 38, UH, 30 SPACES FOR 150 PEOPLE.
AND SO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT 150 TO 200, THAT MIGHT BE TWO, UH, EVENTS WHERE THEY MIGHT USE THEIR AIRFLOW PARKING.
BUT I MEAN, IT USUALLY ABUTS THE PARKING AREA.
IT'S USUALLY IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? YOU BOTH MUST SPEAK.
WELL, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT IMAGE TO ANSWER MR. CROSBY'S? THE
MY WIFE THE ONE WHO REALLY SHOULD BE SPEAKING, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE WORD PARKING, THE, THE GRAVEL PAVED PARKING IS ON ONE SIDE AND THE OVERFLOWS ON THE OTHER.
UM, DO YOU NOT WANT, DID YOU NOT WANNA SAY MORE OR, OH, I'M GONNA SPEAK AFTER HER.
UM, YOU CAN, SO HE CAN HAVE THE LAST WORD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
4 6 1 5 OLD FREDERICKSBURG ROAD, MINERAL, VIRGINIA.
UM, IT WAS A PLEASURE TO RECITE THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE AND TO PARTICIPATE IN A PRAYER IN THE PLEDGE.
WE SAID WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND WE'RE HERE TODAY ENJOYING SOME OF THAT LIBERTY OF USING LAND IN A WAY THAT WE SEE IS BENEFICIAL TO OUR FAMILY AND TO THE PUBLIC.
WHEN WE CAME TO THE PROPERTY LAST FALL, THE MASSES WHO OWN THE PROPERTY GENEROUSLY HAVE GIVEN US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING WITH THIS LAND.
UM, THE FAMILY FRIENDSHIP GOES BACK A LITTLE WAYS AND, UM, THEY USED TO RIDE DIRT BIKES TOGETHER.
AND SO THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, LUCK THAT BROUGHT US HERE.
AND, UM, THIS, I'M HERE FOR OUR VISION.
MY HUSBAND WILL DO IT WITH THE NUTS AND BOLTS IN A MINUTE.
BUT, UM, IT'S NOT WITHOUT EMOTION THAT I COME TODAY BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT CHILDREN ESPECIALLY NEED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE OUTSIDE.
ADULTS HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AT THEIR WILL.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH FREE AGENTS IN SEEKING WHAT YOU WANT.
CHILDREN DON'T ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS TO RESOURCES.
UM, I SEE THIS FARM AS A FARM.
I KNOW WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT A CUP FOR EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT WE SEE IT AS A PLACE WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE BY.
I DON'T WANT THEM TO SAY, OH, THAT'S WHERE SHELL AND MARK LIVE.
I WANT THEM TO DRIVE BY THE FARM AND SAY, THAT'S WHERE WE PICKED BERRIES, OR THAT'S WHERE MY CHICKENS LIVE.
OR SOMETHING THAT MAKES THIS THEIR FARM.
I WANT TO INVITE SCHOOL GROUPS, FIELD TRIPS, PEOPLE, UH, FAMILIES, HOMESCHOOLERS, EVERYBODY WHO STAYS IN THE HOME.
WE ENCOURAGE THEM, PLEASE GO OUT, SEE THE FOREST, WALK THROUGH, LISTEN TO THE STREAMS, SIT BY THE LAKE.
WE WANT THIS TO BE AN IMMERSIVE EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE WHO COMES IN AN AGRICULTURAL SETTING.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY THIS OFF BY SELLING
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CORN TO LIVE THE VISION OF HAVING PEOPLE HAVE A RURAL EXPERIENCE AND HAVE THIS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN AGRICULTURE.AND THAT'S WHERE THE EVENTS COME IN.
THEY PROVIDE THE INCOME THAT ALLOWS US TO HAVE CHICKENS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, SO AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS, HATS OFF TO TOM.
HE'S BEEN VERY PATIENT AS I'VE ASKED A ZILLION QUESTIONS ON WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE CAN'T DO AND HOW WE CAN DO, AND HE'S CALLED ME A DREAMER.
HE COULD,
UM, BUT THAT IS PART OF THE CREATIVE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
AND AS WE, AS MY HUSBAND EXPLAINS A FEW THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, UM, I WANT, I WANT IN THE FOREFRONT OF THIS DISCUSSION TO BE OUR GOAL TO MAKE THIS AGRICULTURE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
WHEN YOU'RE A HUGE OPERATION, YOU'RE BUSY FARMING ALL THE TIME, AND IT'S HARD TO CATER TO INDIVIDUALS.
AND SO THIS ISN'T A RARE OPPORTUNITY.
I KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PLACES, BUT IT'S STILL, THE RATIO PUBLIC TO FARM ACCESS IS PRETTY LOW.
AND TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSE BETWEEN CHARLOTTESVILLE AND RICHMOND IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE.
WE'RE JUST ONE MINUTE OFF THE INTERSTATE.
IT'S SO EASY FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO US AND TO HAVE A GOOD EXPERIENCE.
AND THAT FARM EXPERIENCE IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
SO FROM AT THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MY HUSBAND.
THE, UM, MY NAME IS MARK MCCONNELL.
UH, 46 15 OLD FREDERICKSBURG ROAD.
UM, TO, SO THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT MOTORIZED ON THE TRAILS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT.
IT'S A SINGLE TRACK, ACTUALLY.
UM, WE'RE ABOUT A MILE INTO IT.
WE HAD A, A, UH, TRAIL DESIGNER FROM CHARLOTTESVILLE WHO DOES ALL OF ALMAR COUNTY'S WORK COME AND DO A LOW IMPACT TRAIL.
SO TO KEEP EROSION DOWN, 'CAUSE I GUESS THAT CAN BE BAD FOR THE EROSION.
BUT ANYWAY, HE CAME AND OUT, LAID OUT THE TRAIL AND WE'RE, WE'RE ABOUT A MILE INTO IT RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S THE THING WE DO WHEN WE ARE CAUGHT UP ON OUR CHORES, WHICH, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ONLY A MILE INTO IT.
UM, WAS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION, TOM, THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED BY US? THERE WAS THE PARKING, THE TRAIL.
SO, UM, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, IF WE HAD A TON OF MONEY, I WOULD BUILD A BEAUTIFUL TIMBER FRAME.
I WOULD BUILD A BEAUTIFUL TIMBER FRAME PAVILION OUT THERE.
AND SO THE ONLY THING WE CAN REALLY DO IS LEVEL OFF A PLACE AND PROBABLY PLANT GRASS.
AND, UM, AND WHAT WE WERE ADVISED TO DO, UM, IS TO PUT 21 AS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH STONES, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A STONE THAT HAS FINES IN IT, SO IT'S A REALLY HARD SURFACE AND THEN SCARIFY SCARIFY IT AND PLANT GRASS.
SO YOU REALLY HAVE A REALLY SOLID SURFACE UNDER THE GRASS.
AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO ACTUALLY BUILD A PAVILION, WE'LL SCRAPE THE GRASS OFF AND POUR THE CONCRETE THERE.
AND IT WOULD BE LOCATED, UM, BEHIND, UH, EXACTLY WHERE IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE HANDICAP PARKING, UH,
11 YEARS AGO I RENOVATED THIS HOUSE FOR CRAIG MASSEY.
UH, LIKE SHERELL SAID, WE GO BACK, WE WERE PROBABLY 12 YEARS OLD WHEN WE USED TO RIDE THOSE DIRT BIKES.
AND, UM, AS WE LAID OUT THE EQUIPMENT SHED AND THE, AND THE WHAT WAS A BASKETBALL COURT, WHICH WILL NOW BE THE PARKING, UM, IT WAS ALL DESIGNED TO NOT BE SEEN FROM THE MAIN HOUSE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING RIGHT THERE.
IT'S ALSO PRETTY FAR FROM ALL OF THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORING, UM, PROPERTIES.
SO, UM, WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS WE GOT THIS DOCUMENT, THE SAME ONE THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT 48 HOURS AGO.
AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO PRO, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT YOU APPROVE AN AMENDED.
WHAT WOULD, HOW WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT WOULD BE AN AMENDED, UM, APPLICATION? BECAUSE THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT I THINK WE COULD IMPROVE, UM, BY SORT OF BEST PRACTICES.
AND SO I HAVE THE AMENDED LANGUAGE HERE.
I'M GONNA HAND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY AND WALK YOU THROUGH THEM, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
IS THAT OKAY? IS THAT I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT IS.
WHAT, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
SO THEN IN, I WAS SAYING IT'S UP, UP TO THE CHAIR'S DISCRETION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING, TOM? OKAY.
HOW MANY THINGS YOU GOT? UM, THERE WERE 28 CONDITIONS AND WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE THAT WE'D LIKE TO AMEND.
WHO, WHO GETS THE OFFICIAL RECORD?
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YOU, YOU CLERK DOWN THERE AS WELL? YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU CAN DO ONE, WHAT WE HAVE ENOUGH, UM, WE CAN SHARE.SO, UM, MOST OF THESE ARE JUST SORT OF BEST PRACTICES THINGS.
UM, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, CLARIFY.
UM, THE WAY THAT THE, UM, THAT NUMBER ONE IS WRITTEN, UM, IT'S PRETTY UNCLEAR ABOUT WHAT ROADS ARE GONNA NEED TO BE IMPROVED.
AND, UM, JUST TO, UM, BRING THIS UP VERY, INITIALLY, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS SINCE JANUARY 4TH.
UM, WE WANTED TO HAVE A HALF A DOZEN LITTLE PRIMITIVE CAMPING SPOTS IN THE BACK.
YOU KNOW, JUST A CLEAR SPOT FOR SOMEBODY TO PUT A TENT ON.
AND THEN WE FOUND OUT THAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PUT A 20 FOOT WIDE, 80,000 POUND ROAD BACK TO THOSE CAMPSITES.
AND WE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
SO WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE INTENT AND THE INTENT IS FOR FIRE SERVICE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET AS CLOSE TO WHERE ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY, A FIRE OR A HEART ATTACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE WOULD LIKE, AND THAT'S, WE WOULD LIKE IT TO JUST DEFER TO THE VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE, WHICH SAYS IT NEEDS TO GO FROM A PUBLICLY PAVED ROAD, 20 FEET WIDE, 80,000 POUNDS TO WHERE A BUILDING HAS BEEN BUILT.
SO WHERE WE'RE GONNA BUILD THIS PAVILION AND WHERE WE'RE GONNA BUILD THIS FACILITY.
SO WE WOULD LIKE THE AMENDED LANGUAGE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, INTERNAL ACCESS TO NEWLY CONSTRUCTED BUILDINGS FOR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED AND MAINTAINED PER THE VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PROTECTION CODE.
SO, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY WHICH, WHICH ROADS WE HAVE TO IMPROVE.
AND THERE'S NO LIMIT ON WHAT ROADS WE HAVE TO IMPROVE.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ONE CLARIFICATION AND YOU CAN THROW IT OUT IF YOU WANT TO, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE CLEARER.
UM, YOU WANT US TO GO ONE BY ONE? THAT'S UP TO YOU.
I, I DON'T THINK STAFF HAS SEEN THESE BEFORE.
SO IT'S, THEY HAVEN'T
STAFF MIGHT HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO, I'M NOT SURE WE CAN DO IT JUSTICE LIKE THIS.
'CAUSE WE'LL BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
GOING THROUGH AS MANY AS YOU HAVE ON, WELL, LET ME THEN JUST WALK YOU THROUGH THEM AND THEN, AND, UM, I HATE TO DO THAT TO YOU, BUT I KNOW IT'S BEEN FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS.
WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO SEE THIS, BUT LET ME, IF, IF I, IF IT'S, IF WE CAN, UM, I'LL JUST RUN YOU THROUGH THE OTHER THINGS WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE.
UM, THE, UM, REQUIRING US TO HAVE OUR FUTURE PAVILION LOOK LIKE THE OTHER BUILDINGS, EVEN THE TIMBER FRAME PAVILION, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
SO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT THAT TO BE STRUCK.
UM, WE, UM, WE'RE GONNA WORK REALLY HARD.
SHELL DIDN'T MENTION THIS, BUT WE GO WALKING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS TWO DAYS A WEEK.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND WE WANT THEM TO BE HAPPY.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO RESTRICT OUR IMPACT ON THEM BY THE CUP AND BECAUSE WE'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IF WE'RE RESTRICTING OUR IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS, THEN WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT ON A TUESDAY? YOU KNOW, WHY ARE ALL OF THE EVENTS CLUMPED ON THE WEEKENDS NOW? SURE.
I WOULD SAY, WELL, TOM HAS TO GET UP AND GO TO WORK.
WELL YEAH, BUT IF WE DO OUR JOB AND DON'T LET NOISE ESCAPE OUR PROPERTY, TOM CAN GO TO SLEEP.
SO, AND THAT, THAT'S TWO OF THESE, UH, THE NEXT TWO CONDITIONS, UM, NUMBER 16 AND UH, NUMBER 26, UM, IT'S, UH, AS I MENTIONED, I'M A, I'M AN ARCHITECT.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 46 YEARS AND, UM, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY ADMIRABLE THE WAY THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, WELL IF YOU HAVE TENT FLAPS AND YOU CAN HAVE ME, THAT'S HARD TO MEASURE.
YOU KNOW, IF UM, IF THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET SAY IT'S TOO LOUD, THEN IT'S TOO LOUD.
BUT HOW LOUD IS THAT? SO WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS FOR $200 YOU CAN BUY A DECIBEL METER AND SOLVE ALL OF THE CONFLICTS.
THE IDEA IS THAT WHEN YOU GET TO THE EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY, IT'S AS QUIET AS THE LIBRARY.
WHETHER WE HAVE TENTS, FLAPS A BUILDING, YOU KNOW, AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
I DO THINK SUBWAY WARFARES ARE RIDICULOUS.
SO, BUT WE, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE SOUND CONTROL BE CHANGED TO HOW LOUD IS IT? AND IT'S SUPER EASY TO MEASURE AND BEST PRACTICES SORT OF ALL OVER CITIES IS YOU TAKE A DECIBEL METER OUT THERE AND THEN THE NEIGHBORS AND THE PLANNING STAFF AND YOU GUYS, WE ALL KNOW THAT'S TOO LOUD.
SO IT'S A TRICKY THING THOUGH BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WEATHER, WIND CONDITIONS, ET CETERA.
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YOU CAN TRAVEL FARTHER.IT IT, BUT THE THING IS THOUGH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO STAND THERE ON THE ROAD FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS LIKE A THOUSAND FEET AWAY AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THE WIND IS BLOWING AND IT'S TOO LOUD.
AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING, WELL WE HAVE FLAPS ON OUR TENT.
SO ANYWAY, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS WE TALKED WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AT LENGTH.
UM, WE HAD A, WE HAD THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT TOM WAS AT AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS JUST TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE HAYDENVILLE FARMS THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GOES AROUND US, WHICH BY THE WAY WAS SOLD OFF FROM THIS PROPERTY IN 1967.
UM, WE DIDN'T GET TO MEET ALL OF THEM.
SO WE HAD ALL THOSE PEOPLE OVER TOO.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE OF GUESTS, PARTICULARLY ON OUR TRAIL WANDERING ONTO THEIR SITE.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT NO TRESPASSING SIGNS AND THEY THOUGHT THAT WE COULD PROBABLY JUST HAVE LIKE APPALACHIAN TRAIL BLAZES ON THE TREES AND INFORM THEM, DON'T GO BEYOND THE BLUE BLAZES SOMETHING OTHER SO THAT NOBODY HAS TO LOOK AT A BUNCH OF NO TRESPASSING SIGNS.
SO THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER.
WE WERE HOPING NOT TO DEFER 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA PUSH US BACK A MONTH.
UM, THEY, THEY SOUND SENSIBLE.
IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, COMMON SENSE IS A GOOD THING.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PASS THESE.
WELL, I, I THINK I'D LIKE TO GET, I WOULD LIKE TO GET INPUT, LIKE SAY FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT DO THEY THINK ABOUT THIS FIRST CHANGE.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET INPUT ON.
AND MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE, WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE PASS THIS AS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED OR WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE DEFER AND CONSIDER THE, UH, A CHANGED APPLICATION BETWEEN OUR, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT.
I MEAN, THINK ABOUT CAN YOU LIVE WITH THESE RESTRICTIONS FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS AND THEN, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE UP FOR RENEWAL.
WELL THEY, I I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY WAIT BECAUSE IF WE HAVE AN OPEN AIR PAVILION, BUT IT, BUT STILL THE MUSIC IS QUIET ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO, UM, UM, WE KNOW YOU WANT IT WOULD DELAY US.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ARE VERY SENSIBLE IN THE DISCIPLINES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
UM, BUT I MEAN, THE FIRST ONE THIS GUY HAD SAID, UM, WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE FIRE TRIP MARSHALL RIGHT.
AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN VOTE ON THAT AS A PART OF THIS COPI ALSO AM QUESTIONING NOW IT WENT FROM MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, NO EVENTS AND NOW IT'S MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
YEAH, WHY NOT? WELL, AND THAT'S FINE.
HOWEVER, I, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY MEETING AND YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT WAS PRESENT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE, THAT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED.
MAYBE THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS.
THIS IS THE PLANNING THAT IT'S NOT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I, NO, THE REAL QUESTION IS CAN WE WAIT ANOTHER MONTH? I BET WE CAN, BUT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT OTHER MONTH IS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE INTER INTERACTION AND DIALOGUE, WE'LL END UP IN THE SAME POSITION WHERE WELL, AND AND IN TRUTH IT MIGHT BE, I I I'M, YEAH, IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN THERE MIGHT BE A NEW, UH, COMMUNITY MEETING REQUIRED.
IT MIGHT ACTUALLY PUSH IT BACK THREE MONTHS.
WHAT, WHAT DOES IT DO? WHAT DOES IT HELP TOM HELP? WHAT DOES IT DO IF WE PREFER, I THINK THE CONCERNS STAFF HAS IS THAT NEITHER STAFF NOR THE COMMISSION HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THESE.
SO WE'D WANT TO DEFER THE, THE, THE REQUEST TO CONSIDER THESE CHANGES.
UM, I MEAN SOME OF THEM ARE PROBLEMATIC, LIKE USING DECIBELS, WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THAT.
IT'S, IT'S JUST PROBLEMATIC FOR US TO DO.
UH, IT'S NOT ONE OF OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS.
AND SO, I MEAN, I THINK TO CONSIDER THIS, WE WOULD RECOMMEND DEFERRING, UM, TO NEXT MONTH.
IN OTHER WORDS, COULD THIS COME BACK UP NEXT MONTH IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD OR, YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
IF, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF, IF THE PLAN COMMISSION DEFERS IT, THEN IT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THE JULY MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IS THERE NOT A NEED FOR A NEW PUBLIC MEETING FOR, SO IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DEFERS IT, IT WOULD BE DEFERRING IT TO ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING.
ANOTHER, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING.
I'M SORRY I USED THE WRONG WAY.
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UM, I'M SORRY TO THE STAFF.JUST ALL OF THIS COME UP HERE.
WE HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THESE ONCE WE REALLY DIVE INTO IT.
IF IT IS SOMETHING SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED THEN WAS DISCUSSED ORIGINALLY AT THE PLANNING AT THE, AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR IT.
UM, JUST AT QUICK GLANCE, IT'S MORE OF A STAFF AND, AND ALL THE OTHER, UM, AGENCIES REALLY GETTING A CHANCE TO, TO VET THEIR REQUEST.
'CAUSE IT REALLY IS THEM REQUESTING THAT WE AMEND THE COUNTY'S UM, CONDITIONS.
SO JUST IF WE DON'T DO THIS TONIGHT MM-HMM.
UM, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A DEFERRAL SO THAT STAFF CAN EVALUATE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE WOULD DECIDE AND TALK WITH THE APPLICANT WHETHER OR NOT ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING WOULD BE NECESSARY.
AS THEY MENTIONED, HOURS OF OPERATION WERE NOT SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT AT THE MEETING, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, TO, TO VET THROUGH OUR, OUR PROCESSES.
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT CS? ABSOLUTELY.
THE FIRST ISSUE, CUP IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, IT'S, IT'S GOT SOME PARAMETERS AND THEN, UM, AS IT GETS RENEWED AND NO COMPLAINTS, THEY'VE BEEN GREAT CITIZENS, WHATEVER.
IT KIND OF EXPANDS A LITTLE BIT.
IS THE FIRST CUP TYPICALLY THIS FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY? IT, IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE INITIAL REQUEST IS AND WE KIND OF TAKE IT FROM THERE.
THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE WERE AWARE OF THAT THEY HAD A CONCERN WITH UNTIL TONIGHT.
SO I MEAN, IT MAY ACTUALLY BE VIABLE, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT ON THE, ON THE FLY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THANK YOU MR. KIMBERLY FOR GIVING US THE OPTION.
BUT I THINK WE'D LIKE TO DEFER AND LET, LET THESE GUYS THE, I THINK THAT MAYBE THERE'S SOME PROCESS, UM, OPPORTUNITIES HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE GOT ALL OF THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU GOT TWO DAYS AGO, SO WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO SAY, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHAT ABOUT THIS? AND, AND LIKE AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION, BUT WE NEVER SAID IT WOULD ONLY BE ON THE WEEKENDS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I DO THINK LET'S DEFER.
BECAUSE, UM, I THINK THAT IT'LL, IT'LL END UP WITH A BETTER CUP, YOU KNOW, MORE ENFORCEABLE, CLEARER FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.
IF I MAY, SINCE THE APPLICANT IS, IS OFFERING A DEFERRAL, UM, WE COULD JUST RECOGNIZE THAT NOT HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND NOT HAVE TO VOTE TO DEFER OURSELVES.
WE, WE CAN RECOGNIZE IT AS AN APPLICANT DEFERRAL.
I MEAN IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T WANT YOU, YOU CAN TAKE, YOU CAN TAKE A MOTION TO DEFER, BUT IT'S GONNA BE RECOGNIZED AS AN APPLICANT DEFERRAL, WHICH MEANS THE TIMEFRAMES AREN'T GONNA, AREN'T GONNA, ARE GONNA BE TOLD, TOLD D-O-L-L-E-D AS FAR AS HAVING TO ACT ON IT, BUT IT WILL LIKELY COME BACK NEXT MONTH.
UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SINCE THE APPLICANT IS DEFERRING.
AND DO WE USUALLY TAKE A MOTION, UM, MS. PARKER WHEN TO, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE APPLICANT DEFERRAL? OKAY, SO A MOTION WOULD BE IN ORDER TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE APPLICANT'S DEFERRAL.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT IT'S AN APPLICANT DEFERRAL.
NO, THERE'S NOTHING TO READ BECAUSE YEAH, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST RECOGNIZING IT.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION IS PASSED OR DEFERRED.
THE APPLICANT FOR CASE CU 2 0 2 4 0 0 0 1 2 PLEASANT GROVE HAS REQUESTED A DEFERRAL TO THE JULY 18TH, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THE REQUEST REQUIRES A MOTION AND WELL DID THE VOTE.
CASE 20 24 0 0 0 1 2 PLEASANT GROVE IS DEFERRED TO JULY 18TH, 2024.
[4. District 5 - RZ-2024-00006 Application by Tuckahoe Lands, LLC requesting a proffer amendment to rezoning case RZ-2022-00004 for a left turn lane waiver on 14.298 acres at 12310 River Road on Tax Map Nos. 64-1-0-75-0 and 64-1-0-75-A. The property is zoned Residential, Limited (R-1) with proffered conditions. The left turn lane is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-360. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Single Family Residential, Medium Density.]
APPLICATION BY TUCKAHOE LANDS LLC REQUESTING A PR PROFFER AMENDMENT TO REZONING CASE RZ 20 22 4 FOR A LEFT TURN LANE WAIVER ON 14.298 ACRES AT 1 2 3 1 0 RIVER ROAD ON TAX MAP NUMBERS 64 1 75 AND 64 1 0 75 A.THE PROPERTY IS ZONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
THE LEFT LANE, LEFT TURN LANE IS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 3 6 0.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL
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MEDIUM DENSITY.UH, GOOD EVENING MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOR THE RECORD.
I'M ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS, UH, MS. MORGAN STATING THIS IS IN DISTRICT FIVE.
THAT IS A REZONING, BUT IT'S A PROFFER AMENDMENT.
SOMETHING A LITTLE UNUSUAL, BUT IT'S UM, REQUESTING SPECIFICALLY A LEFT TURN WAIVER.
UM, IT'S LOCATED AS, UH, WAS MENTIONED ON RIVER ROAD.
UH, THIS, UH, WAS ORIGINALLY WE'LL TALK ABOUT AS WE GO THROUGH, AS REZONED A COUPLE YEARS, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UM, THIS IS LOCATED GENERALLY IN THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY, UM, AS SET ALONG RIVER ROAD.
UM, THE PROPERTY IN THE AREA, YOU CAN SEE IT CURRENTLY SHOWS IT'S UNDEVELOPED.
THERE'S SOME HOUSES ADJACENT TWO HERE.
UM, IT DOES SHOW AS TWO PROPERTIES.
THE INTENT OF COURSE WAS TOGETHER AS ONE.
UH, THE ZONING MAP DOES CAUSE IT SHOW THIS AS RESIDENTIAL.
UM, R ONE LIMITED AND UH, THERE IS AGRICULTURAL, UM, GENERALLY ON THE SCREEN DIRECTLY ADJACENT.
ONE OF THE HOUSES HERE IS STILL AGRICULTURAL, A LITTLE PORTION OVER HERE.
UM, SO THAT'S GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA OF THE R ONE.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES THAT DESIGNATE THIS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY.
UM, THIS IS WHAT'S DETERMINED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE, UH, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH PROVIDES FOR ONE UNIT, UM, LOTS ON AVERAGE, LOT LOTS, AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF ONE ACRE.
BUT THIS ONE, UM, IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED RECENTLY.
UM, THIS WAS THE EXHIBIT THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE PREVIOUS PLAN.
UM, IT DOES SHOW 14 LOTS, UH, GENERALLY AN ACCESS HERE.
UM, AS YOU NOTICE ON THIS PLAN HERE, THERE DOES SHOW A, UM, A RIGHT TURN.
THERE WAS A SPECIFIC PROFFER CONDITION.
NUMBER 12 RELATED TO, UH, THE TAPER, OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS SITE.
THERE WAS ALSO ARCHITECTURAL UM, PROVISIONS.
IN ADDITION TO THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THERE'S A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER GENERALLY ALONG, UH, RIVER ROAD.
THERE'S ALSO 15 FOOT, UM, PERIMETER BUFFERS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE CASE.
SO WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS REALLY TO AMEND PROFIT 12 TO OBTAIN A WAIVER RELATED TO THE LEFT TURN REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT'S BEING OFFERED UP FROM THE APPLICANT TONIGHT.
UM, THE ORIGINAL CASE WAS APPROVED FOR 14 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED LOTS.
PROFFERS INCLUDED A CONCEPTUAL PLAN OF THE SAID BUFFERS ROAD, DEDICATION, CASH PROFFER, AND A RIGHT TURN LANE PRIOR TO THE HEARING.
UM, BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, LAST YEAR, THE APPLICANT DID WITHDRAW THE UM, WAIVER FOR A LEFT TURN.
IT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY IN THE CASE.
UM, SO BY DEFAULT IT WOULD GO TO THE REQUIREMENT OF A LEFT TURN LANE THAT'S PROVIDED.
15,360 B ONE PROVIDES FOR SUBDIVISIONS, MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS, WHICH IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS DEFINED AS FIVE OR MORE LOTS.
UM, THAT ACCESS ONTO AN ARTERIAL COLLECTOR ROAD.
THERE IS A PROVISION IN THAT SAME SECTION OF THE CODE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THROUGH EITHER A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR A REZONING PERMIT MAY SEEK A WAIVER TO THE TURN LANE REQUIREMENTS.
I'M SORRY, MAY GRANT A, UM, WAIVER TO THE TURN LANE REQUIREMENTS.
THERE ARE CERTAIN FACTORS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN DOING SO.
UM, THEY'RE LISTED UP HERE ON THE SCREEN, BUT THINGS YOU WOULD THINK THAT ARE RELATED TO WHY YOU WOULD NEED A TURN LANE SITE DISTANCE GRADE CHANGES, UM, REAR END CRASHES IN THE AREA TRAFFIC VOLUME AND THE LIKE.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THIS REQUEST.
UM, IN APRIL 10TH OF THIS YEAR, 10 CITIZENS DID ATTEND AS WELL AS UH, VICE CHAIR.
AND MEMBER LYLE AND PLAINTIFF COMMISSIONER COSBY.
THE COMMENTS ORIGINALLY RELATED TO THE ISSUE SAFETY NEED OF, UH, FOR THE LEFT TURN LANE, LEFT TURN AMONG DETERMINING FACTORS IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
UM, AND THAT FOUR UH, EMAILS OF OPPOSITION WERE RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE HEARING AT THE REQUEST OF THE, THE BOARD STAFF, UM, WENT OUT AND DID SITE VISITS FOR THIS.
UM, I'VE VISITED THE SITE, UM, ALSO COUNTY ENGINEER AND AND OUR TRANSPORTATION MANAGER.
UM, AUSTIN GOY VISITED THE SITE MOST RECENTLY.
WE DID THIS ON UH, TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY.
UH, THE PEAK HOUR VISIT ON SIX 18, UH, WAS DONE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEAK HOURS NOW.
WHEN YOU THINK OF TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THE THING YOU DETERMINE DIFFERENT PEAK HOURS, THE EVENING PACK, PEAK HOUR IS OFTEN THE MOST BUSY FOR ONE.
AND SO, UM, VISITED SITE DREAM FOUR AND SIX ON TUESDAY.
UM, IN ADDITION, UM, HE PERFORMED THREE TURN LANE MOVEMENTS AT DIFFERENT TIMES, UH, TO BASICALLY ASSESS THE MOVEMENT, HOW IT OCCURS, WHAT'S THE DELAY, UM, IF THERE'S ANY BACKING UP BEHIND HIS MOVEMENT FOR THE LEFT TURN LANE, NONE WAS FOUND.
UM, FOR THIS SITUATION, I'LL SHOW YOU IN THIS UPCOMING MAP WE HAD TO USE REALLY A THROUGH, UH, WHERE THE ONGOING SEWER
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UM, PROJECT IS OCCURRING.UM, THERE IS A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE THAT IS LOCATED HERE.
THIS IS THE SEWER PROJECT WHERE THE, UM, UTILITIES DEPARTMENT IS DOING AN UPGRADE TO THE EXISTING SYSTEM.
UM, THERE IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THE PHOTOS IN A MOMENT THAT SERVE THE EXISTING HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY HERE.
AND THEN THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE NEW PROPOSED ENTRANCE FOR THE APPLICANT IS OVER HERE.
GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO THIS IS STANDING INSIDE THE, UM, EXISTING UH, DRIVEWAY TO THE HOUSE, TAKING PICTURES LOOKING EAST.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE BARRICADES, UH, RELATED TO THE UM, CONSTRUCTION SITE.
UM, FOR THE UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S GOING ONGOING, IT'S PRETTY GOOD VISUAL DISTANCE, UM, FOR THE AREA.
UM, THIS IS ALSO LOOKING WEST.
I ACTUALLY MOVED OUT TO THE ROADWAY SO YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOU SAW THE ZONING SIDE IN THERE.
IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHT AREA, PRETTY GOOD VISIBILITY GOING WEST AS WELL.
SO ANOTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT IS FOR A TURN LANE IS REALLY INTERSECTION.
JUST SITE DISTANCE INTERSECTION SITE DISTANCE.
UM, SO WE DID THE ON ONSITE, UM, OBSERVATION OF THAT.
WE ALSO EVALUATE THE PROPOSED DISTANCES, SITE DISTANCES BASED UPON SOME GOOGLE EARTH MEASUREMENTS.
AND, AND APPARENTLY, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING THAT AS WE LOOK AT SITE DISTANCE WEST, YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT 2200 FEET POTENTIAL.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT APPROXIMATELY SITE DISTANCE EAST, ABOUT 1200 FEET.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD AND, AND MORE THAN ADEQUATE AND SITE DISTANCE.
UH, THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA.
AND THIS IS REALLY THINKING EAST OF 2 88 ALONG RIVER ROAD.
UM, THERE ARE FIVE MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS WITHIN THOSE.
IT'S A MIXED BAG ABOUT TURN LANES.
UH, WEST OAK AT 89 AND RANDOLPH SQUARE AT 148 DO HAVE LEFT TURN LANES PROVIDED.
UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SHOWN HERE ON THIS MAP IN RED.
I WENT IN AND HIGHLIGHTED THE TWO THAT, UM, THAT DO HAVE LEFT TURN LANES.
UH, THEY KIND OF FRAME THIS AREA.
IF YOU ALSO NOTICE FROM THE AREA, IF YOU NOTICE FROM WEST CREEK UP TO GENERALLY WHERE YOU GET TO RANDOLPH SQUARE, IN PARTICULAR THE TUCKO LANDS AREA THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED.
IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHT STRETCH OF ROAD, SO THAT'S WHY IT PROMOTES A, UM, PRETTY GOOD VISIBILITY AND STOPPING DISTANCE.
SO THEN THE OTHER THING THAT'S EVALUATED IS TRAFFIC GENERATION.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S RESULTING FROM THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT? THAT'S ALL THE PART OF THE THINGS WE ASSESSED WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS ORIGINALLY TO DETERMINE WHAT ITS IMPACTS ARE ON THE ROADWAY.
SO GENERALLY FOR A PM PEAK HOUR, THE 14 HOMES WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 18 TRIPS.
AND YOU'RE TALKING AGAIN, UH, IN THOSE PEAK HOURS.
UM, IF YOU BREAK THOSE DOWN, UH, YOU ALSO CONSIDER, UM, IT'S NOT ALL 18 AT ONCE.
YOU, AND THEY'RE NOT, IT'S HARD TO TELL, WHICH IS THE ENTER AND EXIT 'CAUSE IT, IT INCLUDES BOTH.
SO WHAT, UH, THE ANALYSIS AND CONSIDERATION IS THAT STAFF EVALUATED THAT? LET'S CONSIDER THAT OF THOSE 1812 WOULD BE TRIPS THAT ARE ENTERING INTO DEVELOPMENT DURING THE PEAK HOUR.
UM, AND THEN ASSUME FURTHER THAT ALL THOSE 12 TRIPS ARE ENTERING FROM THE WEST, REQUIRING THE LEFT TURN LANE.
UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S A HIGHER ANALYSIS, A LITTLE BIT OF WORST CASE SCENARIO.
UM, THE VDOT ALSO MANUAL ALSO STATES REGULATION REGARDING TWO TURN LANES.
BASICALLY YOU DETERMINE WHERE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ARE HIGH ENOUGH TO WARRANT THEM.
UH, THAT'S THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR UNSIGNED INTERSECTIONS.
UH, BASED ON THE AVAILABLE DA DATA, THE VOLUMES AT THIS POINT DO NOT WARRANT A LEFT TURN LANE OR IN THE EVENT THE HORIZON THAT WE TYPICALLY LOOK FOR TO ANALYZE IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO FURTHER, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE TILE, THE ANALYSIS, AND THINK ABOUT THOSE QUESTIONS THAT, UM, I SAID THE FACTORS THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT OR THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU CONSIDERATION, THOSE AREN'T THE ONLY ONES YOU'RE LIMITED TO.
UM, REALLY IT'S A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, SO WE DON'T EXPECT HIGH TRACK TRUCK TRAFFIC, TRAILER TRAFFIC OR BUSES.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ONLY 14 HOMES, YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING A LOT OF HIGH NON-RES, NON-TYPICAL AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC.
THERE IS A CONCEPT PLAN THAT DOES PROVIDE IN ADEQUATE INTERNAL SITE DISTANCE.
THERE'S THREE PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA THAT GENERALLY GO THROUGH LING RIVER ROAD.
SCHOOL DAY ENDS, ACCORDING TO THEIR WEBSITE, BETWEEN TWO AND THREE PROBABLY HOURS OF FOUR TO FIVE, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, ONE 30 TO TWO 30 IS WHEN THEY GET OUT OF SCHOOL.
THEY CYCLE THROUGH THE AREA DURING THE TIME OF THE PEAK TRAFFIC.
UM, THE PIECE POSTED SPEED LIMIT IS 40 MILES, FIVE MILES AN HOUR.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE AN AVAILABLE SPEED STUDY, BUT WE DIDN'T OB WE DID ABSORB TRAFFIC GENERALLY IN THE AREA OF BAY, THE SPEED LIMIT PLUS OR MINUS FIVE.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A RESIDENTIAL TYPE ROAD LIKE THIS WHERE YOU HAD FREQUENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, YOU ALSO HAVE A COUPLE PLACES WHERE
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THERE'S INDIVIDUAL PARCELS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS.UM, PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT IS A, AND DRIVERS ANTICIPATE THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING TURN MOVEMENTS.
WHEN YOU'RE INTO A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, YOU EXPECT PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO, FOR THEIR DRIVEWAYS, YOU'RE EXPECTING PEOPLE TO TURN TO GO INTO THEIR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT'S ANTICIPATED WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING.
UM, AGAIN, THE OBSERVATIONS WE LOOKED AT, UH, APPARENTLY DISTANCE AND ROADWAY GEOMETRY DID NOT APPEAR TO IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT STABILITY FOR A SAFE ENTRANCE.
IT'S ALSO CLASSIFIED AS A COLLECTOR ROAD.
A COLLECTOR ROAD IS INTENDED TO ACCESS RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND SO TURN MOVEMENTS ARE EXPECTED AS PART OF THAT AND PART OF THE EVALUATION WHEN VDOT, UM, LOOKS AT THE TURN LANE, UH, EVALUATIONS.
AND AGAIN, I JUST PUT THE LAYOUT OF EVERYTHING WE DISCUSSED ONE MORE TIME BEFORE THAT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS.
AGAIN, WE WERE ASKED TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND, AND PUT FORWARD AT LEAST PROVIDE INFORMATION TO YOU.
I KNOW THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, RAY, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
UH, SO THE SPEED LIMIT IS 45 MM-HMM.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? DOES THE STAFF HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS WAIVER? HMM.
UM, AUSTIN GOEN COUNTY ENGINEER FOR THE RECORD.
UM, BASED ON THE ANALYSIS AND THE SITE OBSERVATIONS, LOOKING AT BOTH VDOT STANDARDS AND THE COUNTY CODE AND THE STANDARDS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT, UM, IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT THE SAFETY AND OPERATIONS ON RIVER ROAD AND THE ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE COMPROMISED IF THE WAIVER'S APPROVED.
THAT'S, THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT THE ANALYSIS POINTED TO.
ALRIGHT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? UH, TYPICALLY STAFF DOESN'T PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMISSIONER OR THE BOARD, UH, BUT JUST PROVIDING, UH, THE, THE RESULTS OF THE ANALYSIS.
UH, AND SO THERE ARE NO VDOT REQUIREMENTS FOR A LEFT TURN LANE? CORRECT.
ALRIGHT, SO IT'S, BUT IT IS WITHIN, WITHIN THE, THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE OR, OR WHATEVER CORRECT.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, 15 DASH 360 REQUIRES LEFT TURN LANES FOR ALL SUBDIVISIONS OF FIVE LOTS OR MORE.
YET THERE ARE PLACES THAT DO NOT DO THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THAT STEMS FROM THE, THAT REQUIREMENT USED TO BE IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
WE JUST DID A DEEP DIVE ON THIS SO IT'S FRESH IN MY MEMORY.
UM, AND HISTORICALLY THE COUNTY RELIED ON THE VDOT WARRANTS FOR TURN LANE DETERMINATION, BUT THAT WAS CHANGED IN 2020 TO THE CURRENT STANDARD.
SO THOSE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, THOSE FIVE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WERE PRIOR TO CORRECT.
AND AT THE TIME OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION, THEY DID NOT APPEAR TO WARRANT TURN LANES AT THAT TIME.
BUT THE COUNTY HAS, HAS AN ORDINANCE OF FIVE HOMES OR MORE, WHICH SEEMS RESTRICTIVE.
BUT THAT IS AN ORDINANCE, CORRECT? THE COUNTY? CORRECT.
SO THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT THAT WAS PUT IN IN 2020.
UM, WE HAVE HAD TWO, UH, WAIVER REQUESTS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD SINCE THEN.
UM, UH, BOTH WERE APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
I THINK PART OF THAT WAS THE CONSIDERATION, UM, PREVIOUSLY THAT THE BOARD JUST WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE AN APPLICATION THAT CAME IN, UM, TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S OTHER FACTORS BEYOND JUST THE STRAIGHT WARRANT OF VDOT THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE FACTORS WE PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, TO YOU IN OUR PRESENTATION.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SITE DISTANCE.
UM, APPROXIMATELY TWO, 200 FEET AND APPROXIMATELY 1300 FEET.
CORRECT? UM, IS THERE, HOW DO I WANNA SAY THAT? IS THERE A BEST PRACTICE OR DO, DO EITHER OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, THAT 0.24 MM-HMM.
SO THE STANDARD SITE DISTANCE THAT'S REQUIRED, UM, THROUGH THE VDOT ANALYSIS IS ACTUALLY 500 FEET FOR A 45 MILE AN HOUR ROAD.
I THINK THE ISSUE, ONE OF THE ISSUES I HAVE IS THE FACT THAT IT SAYS 45, BUT EVERY TIME I'M ON RIVER ROAD IS EVERYBODY'S GOING MORE THAN 45.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT STUDENT DRIVERS, PEOPLE DRIVING MM-HMM.
UM, THE STAFF LOOK WELL, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT, UH, JUST THE FUTURE SAFETY? I MEAN, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THOSE SCHOOLS ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S GONNA OBVIOUSLY BE STUDENTS, MORE STUDENTS, MORE STUDENTS ON TOP OF THOSE STUDENTS, MORE YOUNGER DRIVERS.
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YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THINGS THAT'S GONNA CHANGE WITHIN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GOING TO KIDS WHO LIVE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS GONNA START DRIVING.
MAYBE THERE'S GONNA BE OLDER DRIVERS.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE.
SO HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THOSE FACTORS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY TO LOOK AT THINGS IN 2024, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO LOOK AHEAD OF WHAT WILL BE IN PLACE OR HOW WOULD RIVER ROAD LOOK IN 2034 MM-HMM.
SO THE APPLICANT AS A PART OF THEIR ORIGINAL REZONING CASE PROVIDED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OR A TIA, WHICH PROJECTED OUT TO WHAT'S CALLED A BUILD YEAR, WHICH THEY ASSUMED AT THAT POINT TO BE 2025, WHICH IS WHEN THEY EXPECT TO BE FULLY BUILT OUT.
UM, AT THAT POINT THEY'VE ADDED IN TO NOT ONLY BACKGROUND TRAFFIC, EXISTING TRAFFIC, BUT ADDED IN A, A, A GROWTH RATE FOR THE AREA, WHICH IS, WHICH IS KIND OF DETERMINED OVER THE REGIONAL SCALE.
UM, AT THAT POINT THEY APPLIED THE NECESSARY GROWTH RATE PLUS THEIR TRIPS AND THEY STILL DID NOT AT THAT TIME, PROJECTING OUT THREE YEARS OR SO.
UH, THEY DID NOT TRIP THE VDOT TURN LANE WARRANTS WITH THAT DATA EITHER WAS THERE OR HAS THERE EVER BEEN A STUDY THAT SHOWS HOW MUCH TRAFFIC'S COMING WEST DURING PEAK HOURS VERSUS EAST? THERE IS INFORMATION THAT SHOWS THAT WE DID NOT DIVE INTO THAT LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY FOR THIS ANALYSIS AS FAR AS THE DIRECTIONAL FACTOR.
COULD I ASK, RAY, COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION? UM, HOW MANY BY RIGHTS ARE ON THIS PROPERTY? UM, REALLY KIND OF DEPENDS.
THE CLAIM POTENTIALLY THAT WOULD BE UP TO 10.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S, UM, THE NOW IS SINCE IT'S BEEN ZONED, YOU'RE LIMITED TO WHAT'S IN THE PROFFERED CASE WITHOUT COMING BACK THROUGH ZONING.
SO IT'S A R ONE ZONE PROPERTY.
UM, SO IT CAN DO WHATEVER AN R ONE WOULD ALLOW.
SO THE SCENARIOS OF OF BUY RATE, PREVIOUS SCENARIOS KIND OF GO AROUND AT ONE TIME, THE APPLICANT SHOWED A POTENTIAL FOR 12 THAT ALSO PREDATED THE ZONING.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVALUATION, IT WOULD DEPEND ON, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOCKED INTO, THEY NEED TO DEVELOP THE WAY THE PROFFER STATE AND THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND, UH, REZONE, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE PROPERTY BACK DOWN.
SO AT THIS POINT, BUT AT THAT POINT THEN NONE OF THESE PROFFERS WOULD BE REPLACED? THAT WOULD, YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO BASE.
I MEAN, IF THE STILL THE NUMBER, IF THE NUMBER EXCEEDED FIVE LOTS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED, THEY WOULD, WE'D STILL BE BACK AT THE LEFT TURN LANE PROVISION AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WHAT WAS PRESENTED LAST YEAR WHERE THE DEVELOPER SHOWED A POTENTIAL OF UP TO 12 LOTS, THAT'S BACK WHEN IT WAS LAST SPLIT ZONED R ONE AND A ONE, UH, I MEAN A TWO RATHER.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A SPECIFIC CONFIGURATION THAT CHAD, CHAD TO, TO MEET.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO REALLY THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS NOW WITH THE ZONING THAT CURRENTLY HAS KIND OF GO OUT THE WINDOW.
UM, IF IT STAYED R ONE, YOU KNOW, IF, LET'S SAY THE PROFFERS DISAPPEARED AND WENT BACK TO R ONE AND IT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY, WHATEVER OUR STANDARDS ARE FOR THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ACRE AND A HALF LOTS THAT DON'T HAVE WATER AND SEWER, UM, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T DO THE CALCULATION ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY COME AROUND ABOUT 10 TO 12 LOTS.
THE APPLICANT WENT TO SPEAK, I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT A POWERPOINT FOR GOOD EVENING.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MY NAME IS ANDY CONLIN HERE ON BEHALF OF TUCKAHOE LANDS, UH, TO PRESENT TO YOU.
UM, AND, AND TRY NOT TO, UH, UM, REPEAT A LOT OF WHAT, UH, UM, MR. CASH YOU PROVIDED AND THANK YOU TO MR. CASH FOR THAT REPORT.
UH, AS HE STATED, THIS IS ABOUT 14 ACRES AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE MARKED HERE, UH, BOTH THE IMMEDIATELY ADJOINING SUBDIVISIONS BEING RIVERGATE AND WICKHAM.
GLEN, I DID GET, UH, IN MY PRESENTATION, UH, I THINK I'LL HAVE NUMBERS THAT ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DETERMINED AS, AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL ZONING, THAT WE COULD GET 12 LOTS.
WE, IN THE ORIGINAL ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR, WE ONLY ASKED FOR 14 LOTS.
WE ORIGINALLY HAD ASKED FOR 17 LOTS.
WE PULLED THAT BACK DOWN, UH, TO THE 14 LOTS BASED ON SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND THAT WAS ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF OUR APPROVAL REQUEST.
WE VERY ORIGINALLY HAD ASKED FOR, UM, NO WAIVERS, OR EXCUSE ME, WAIVERS ON BOTH THE RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANE.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE EITHER ONE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T JUSTIFIED PURSUANT TO VDOT WARRANTS AND DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY.
IT WAS CLEAR THAT WE COULD PUT IN, AND WE'VE ALWAYS STATED WE COULD ALWAYS MEET THE V OUT REQUIREMENT FOR THE RIGHT TURN LANE.
AND WE SAID WE'D GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT IN.
IT WAS THE LEFT TURN LANE THAT WE ORIGINALLY CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TWICE, UH, HAD RETAINED THAT WAIVER REQUEST.
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THAT TIME WHEN WE APPROACHED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE SECOND TIME, ONE OF THE SUPERVISORS HAD ASKED, HAVE YOU DONE THE ENGINEERING? CAN YOU FIT THE LEFT TURN LANE IN? AND THE ANSWER WAS, WE HAD NOT DONE THE ENGINEERING SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MEET THE WARRANTS, IT DIDN'T MEET THE VDOT WARRANTS.IT WAS, UH, AT THAT POINT 14 LOTS.
UH, IT WAS, AND I'LL GO OVER SOME OF THE OTHER TRAFFIC STUDY PROVISIONS, UH, AND THE REQUEST SAID, WOULD YOU WITHDRAW THAT LEFT TURN WAIVER REQUEST AND DO THE ENGINEERING AND FIND OUT IF YOU CAN MAKE IT FIT AND MEET VDOT REQUIREMENTS? SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY, UH, WE WITHDREW THAT AT THAT TIME, NOT THAT WE COULDN'T MEET OTHERWISE, THE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN THE CODE OR MEET THE STANDARDS BY VDOT WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT TIME AND WE COULDN'T, UH, ACCURATELY PROJECT THAT TO THE, UH, UH, TO THE SUPERVISOR.
SO THIS IS THE LAYOUT THAT WAS APPROVED.
UH, THE, AGAIN, THE 14 LOTS, HERE'S THE COLOR RENDERING THAT SHOWS THAT.
AND REALLY WE COULD HAVE DONE 12 LOTS, BUT WE DID THE 14 LOTS, UH, FOR THE TWO ADDITIONAL LOTS AND PROVIDED THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS, INCLUDING THE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER.
AND WE ALSO PROFFERED THE RIGHT TURN, UH, LANE MEETING VDOT STANDARDS AS REQUIRED, AS WELL AS BUFFERS AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BEHIND AND THE BACK AND THE LEFT AND ON THE TOP NEXT TO RIVERGATE IN WICKHAM GLEN AND OF COURSE, PUBLIC WATER, WATER AND SEWER.
WE HAD A NUMBER OF PROFFERED CONDITIONS, AGAIN, WHICH ARE NOT AT ISSUE HERE.
THE ONLY QUESTION IS THE ONLY THING WE'RE ASKING FOR, WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT BASED ON THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU SAW THAT WE COULD APPLY FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, IT WAS THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS OF THE COUNTY STAFF, THEY ASKED AND, UH, HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO A PROFFER AMENDMENT, NOT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE ASKED FOR THE PROFFER AMENDMENT.
THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOING IS ADDING IN THIS REQUEST FOR THE WAIVER AT THAT TIME.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TRICK ANYONE.
I SAW SOME EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE SAYING THAT, UH, WE WERE TRYING TO CONFUSE THE SITUATION.
I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY SIMPLE REQUEST.
WE CAN'T FIT THE LEFT TURN LANE IN.
AND I'M GONNA GO OVER THE REASONS FOR WHY WE DO MEET THE COUNTY STANDARDS FOR THIS, UH, PARTICULAR REQUEST.
WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED THERE, BUT THE, SOMEHOW OR OTHER, THIS DOESN'T SHOW, DOES IT SHOW UP THERE? UM, YOU CAN SEE BOTH.
WELL, THAT OTHER ONE WAS A RIGHT TURN, UH, MANEUVER THAT, UH, DIDN'T SHOW UP.
UH, THAT, UH, SHOWS THE SAME TYPE OF CHART WHERE THE RIGHT TURN WARRANTS NOR THE LEFT TURN WARRANTS ARE ACTUALLY, UH, MET.
THIS WAS ACTUALLY BASED ON 17 LOTS.
AS I SAID, WE ORIGINALLY APPLIED FOR 17 LOTS AND THAT'S WHERE OUR TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS REFERENCED BY MR. GORINGS WAS, UM, WAS BASED ON THE OTHER THING THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS ABLE TO SHOW, AGAIN, BASED ON 17 LOTS.
THEY DID AN ANALYSIS OF A NUMBER OF INTERSECTIONS, BUT MOST PARTICULARLY, UH, AT THIS ONE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, ON THE UPPER RIGHT, UH, WAS THE ONE FOR THE, UH, WICKHAM GLEN AND RIVER ROAD INTERSECTION.
AND THE SECOND ON THE BOTTOM LEFT IS THE, UH, UH, AT OUR SUBDIVISION, AGAIN DESIGNATED AS A 17 LOT SUBDIVISION.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE LESS, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCES HERE, UH, WHICH ARE PRETTY NOMINAL WITH RESPECT TO WICKHAM GLEN DRIVE IN OUR ENTRANCE WAY, WHICH SHOWS BOTH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE BEING LEVEL OF SERVICE A AND LEVEL OF SERVICE B, WHICH ARE CRITICAL, BUT ALSO SHOWING THE SECOND DELAY AT BOTH THOSE INTERSECTIONS AT THE AM AND PM PEAK, UH, BEING ALMOST IDENTICAL, UH, BETWEEN THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS.
I THINK THOSE ARE, IT'S VERY RELEVANT TO THE SITUATION TO SHOW HOW WILL THIS FUNCTION IS THAT IT WILL FUNCTION ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE WICKHAM GLEN, AND YOU CAN SEE AS, AS WELL WITH RESPECT TO THE QUEUES.
THOSE ARE LENGTHS, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, UNDER WICKHAM GLEN, THE, UH, EASTBOUND LEFT AND THROUGH IS A FIVE FOOT QUEUE LENGTH.
THAT'S WHERE SOMEONE HAS TO WAIT FOR, UH, FOR ABOUT FIVE, FIVE FEET ON THE QUEUE BEFORE GOING.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE SOUTHBOUND, UH, LEFT, RIGHT TURN MOVEMENT, IT'S 39 FEET, UM, WITH A CAR LENGTH BEING, WITH THE SPACING BEING ABOUT 25 FEET.
SO THAT'S ABOUT A CAR AND A HALF LENGTH.
WE'RE ALMOST EXACTLY, AGAIN THE SAME, UH, WITH RESPECT TO OUR ENTRANCEWAY, BOTH WITH THAT EASTBOUND LEFT THROUGH MOVEMENT AND THE LEFT AND RIGHT THROUGH MOVEMENT.
THE ACTUAL SUMMARY AT THE END OF THE DAY OF THE STUDY WAS THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AT THESE INTERSECTIONS, INCLUDING AT OUR INTERSECTION, IS GOING TO RESULT IN A ONE 10TH OF A SECOND DELAY GREATER THAN WE HAVE TODAY.
UH, THAT YOU SEE, AND THIS IS BASED ON A 2025, UM, BASED ON THE ANALYSIS AS MR. GOS HAD DESCRIBED.
UH, AND IT INCLUDES OUR ENTRANCE AT RIVER ROAD.
UM, WE ALSO SENT TO YOU, AND I DON'T HAVE IT UP HERE AS THE CRASH DATA THAT WAS DETERMINED BY VDOT THAT SHOWED, UH, BETWEEN, UH, RIVERGATE AND RANDOLPH SQUARE FROM MARCH, OR EXCUSE ME, MAY OF 2016 TO MARCH OF 20, 24, 8 YEARS.
IT SHOWED FIVE ACCIDENTS IN THIS, IN THIS SPECIFIC CORRIDOR, UM, IN WHICH TIME PERIOD.
THEY ALSO HAVE HAD ALL THESE OTHER, UM, SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE SURROUNDING US.
HERE'S THE CROSS SECTION FOR BOTH THE RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES.
UH, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OBVIOUSLY IS THE RIGHT TURN LANE.
UH, I'VE GOT THE ENTRANCE MARKED WITH THE BLUE, UH, ARROW HEADING UP.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE UPPER LEFT, THAT'S WHERE OUR WESTERN PROPERTY LINE IS.
AND THIS IS, I'M GONNA DIVE INTO THIS JUST A LITTLE DEEPER ON BOTH SIDES, BUT, UH, IN ORDER TO MEET THE VDOT STANDARDS, WE'D HAVE TO NOT ONLY GO TO THE ADJOINING LANDOWNER, BUT THE LANDOWNER BEYOND THEM AS WELL.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE UH, UH, RIGHT CROSS SECTION DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR WHATEVER REASON.
BUT, UH, UM, THE LEFT CROSS, UH, THE LEFT THE CROSS SECTION FOR THE LEFT TURN LANE, YOU CAN SEE HERE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
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THIS IS NOT JUST A, A QUESTION OF BEING ABLE TO PUT IN, UH, SPECIFICALLY ASPHALT AND JUST WIDEN IT AND EXTEND IT.UH, THERE'S A, WHEN YOU PUT IN ASPHALT, YOU HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR STORM WATER.
SO WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE DITCH AND THE STORM WATER FLOWS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TWO MAJOR UTILITY LINES, INCLUDING POWER LINES THAT ARE, UH, IN HERE AS WELL AS A GAS LINE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED AS WELL.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT BASED ON THE ENGINEERING WHY WE COULDN'T JUST MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
UH, A WEEK BEFORE THE ZONING APPLICATION WAS CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE HAD TO GO IN AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THIS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TAPER WOULD BE, BUT ALSO WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE BY PUTTING IN THAT ADDITIONAL, UM, TURN LANE, UH, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THIS LEFT TURN.
AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE, UH, AS OPPOSITION WAS SAID THAT WE COULD HAVE JUST DESIGNED THIS AND JUST MOVE IT OVER AND FIT THIS LEFT TURN LANE IN.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT WE HAVE, AND I THINK IF I CAN GO FORWARD, YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRANCE TO WICKHAM GLEN.
UH, THAT'S JUST TO THE, UM, ONTO THE RIGHT.
NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE TO KEEP MAINTAIN THAT SITE DI OR NOT ONLY THE SITE DISTANCE, BUT ALSO MAINTAIN THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE VDOT REQUIRED DISTANCES BETWEEN ACCESS POINTS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S JUST A MATTER OF JUST SLIDING IT OVER.
THAT DISTANCE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE LEFT TURN LANE FAR EXCEEDS WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE RIGHT TURN LANE.
SO WE COULDN'T FIT BOTH OF THE, AND MEET PHYSICALLY THE RIGHT TURN LANE AND THE LEFT TURN LANE AND STILL MEET THE VDOT REQUIREMENTS FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
AND WHILE I'VE GOT RIVERGATE AT 64 LOTS, I THINK IT WAS, I THINK HE SHOWED IT AT 63 LOTS AND WICKHAM GLEN AT 22 LOTS.
I THINK MR. CASH HAD, WERE PRETTY CLOSE.
WE'RE ASKING FOR 14 LOTS AT THIS.
AND ACROSS THE STREET AT, UH, LOWER TUCKO IS 110 LOTS.
NONE OF THOSE MOST IMMEDIATELY ADJOINING, UH, SUBDIVISIONS HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE OFF OF RIVER ROAD AND IT WORKS FOR THEM AND IT WORKS ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT, UH, WITH THESE 14 LOTS THAT WE'VE SHOWN THAT IT MEETS, UH, DOES NOT MEET THE VDOT WARRANTS FOR THE THE TURN LANE.
WE'RE TALKING ONE 10TH OF A SECOND IN 2025 TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE FOR BACKGROUND TRAFFIC AS WELL AS THE EXISTING TRAFFIC THAT'S ON THE ROAD.
AND OUR TRAFFIC, UH, WE'VE ALREADY SHOWN FROM A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT STANDPOINT, HAVING FIVE ACCIDENTS IN THIS CORRIDOR IN EIGHT YEARS AND WE LITERALLY CANNOT FIT THE LEFT TURN LANE.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THESE EXEC, UH, THESE EXACT SAME SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA THAT DON'T HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE.
AND FINALLY, I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT IT DOES IN FACT HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE, BUT IT ALSO HAS IN THE ORDINANCE A SPECIFIC PROVISION TO ALLOW FOR A WAIVER IF YOU MEET THE STANDARDS.
I THINK YOU HEARD STAFF BOTH IN LOOKING AT A MORE TECHNICAL STANDPOINT UNDER CURRENT CONDITIONS, THAT WE DO MEET THE STANDARDS THAT ARE SET FORTH IN THE CODE.
AND WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED FOR MEETING THE STANDARDS, SPECIFICALLY BEING WHAT'S IN THE EXISTING AREA, THAT IT'S A SAFE MOVEMENT AND THAT IT DOESN'T CAUSE A DELAY.
UH, OTHERWISE, IF WE CAN'T GET THIS IN, IF WE LITERALLY CAN'T, UH, ARE REQUIRED TO PUT IN THIS LEFT TURN LANE, WE CAN'T MEET THE ORDINANCE, WHICH MEANS WE CAN'T DO THE DEVELOPMENT WHETHER BY RIGHT OR BY, BY THE FACT THAT IT WAS ZONED, WHETHER WE WERE BY RIGHT WITH THE 12 LOTS, WE'D STILL HAVE TO MEET THIS ORDINANCE.
AND THEN THAT MEANS THAT THIS LAND, WHICH IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR RESIDENTIAL, COULD NOT BE BUILT AT THAT POINT.
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW, UH, THE STAFF'S OPINION WITH RESPECT TO THE FACTS OF NOT CAUSING A DELAY OR CAUSING AN UNSAFE, UM, MANEUVER AND ASK FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
ALRIGHT, AS AS YOU'VE STATED, UH, THIS WOULD NOT MEET THE ORDINANCE.
NOW YOU SAY IT MEETS THE STANDARD AND BY THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE STANDARDS FOR THE WAIVER, WHICH IS ALSO IN THE ORDINANCE.
THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR A WAIVER OF THE TURN LANE REQUIREMENTS IF YOU MEET THOSE SPECIFIC STANDARDS, TALKING ABOUT SITE DISTANCE AND GRADE CHANGES, FREQUENCY OF CRASHES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC AND THE SPEED LIMIT.
I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD OUR TRAFFIC STUDY DONE.
I MEAN, FOR 14 LOTS AT THE TIME, 17 LOTS.
IT'S PRETTY UNUSUAL TO DO THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, BUT WE DID AT THAT TIME.
AND OF COURSE STAFF HAS DONE THEIR OWN JUST MOST RECENTLY WITHIN THE LAST WEEK.
SO WE BELIEVE WE HAVE MET THE STANDARDS THAT ARE SET IN THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR A WAIVER IN SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE IT'S A BLANKET REQUIREMENT.
BUT THERE HAS TO BE AN EXCEPTION IN THERE, WHICH THEY, WHICH THE ORDINANCE DOES PROVIDE FOR WHICH WE THINK WE'VE MET FAR AND ABOVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
AND I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, UM, TO SPEAK AND COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I LIVE AT 3 25 WICKHAM GLEN DRIVE.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF OUR COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
AS YOU'VE SEEN, WICKHAM GLEN IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE PLAN LOCKHART GREEN DEVELOPMENT.
WE FILED WRITTEN COMMENTS AS I HOPE YOU'VE SEEN REQUESTING THE WAIVER REQUEST BE DENIED.
I WON'T REPEAT THOSE COMMENTS HERE, BUT I WOULD POINT OUT THAT IT'S
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A GOOD THING THAT THE STAFF CAME AND LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THEY CAME SCHOOLS OUT, SO THEY DID NOT SEE THE KIDS DRIVING UP AND DOWN THIS ROAD.
THEY DID NOT NOTE THAT THE KIDS THAT ARE DRIVING UP AND DOWN THIS ROAD ARE NOT DOING IT DURING THE SCHOOL DAY.
THEY'RE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO ATHLETIC FIELDS LONG AFTER THE TIME THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT.
I WANNA MAKE ONE LARGER POINT THOUGH.
IF THE COUNTY WERE TO, TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER HERE WHAT HE'S LOOKING FOR, IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS, AS A DEVELOPER DOING A SPECIAL FAVOR FOR THE DEVELOPER TO HELP HIM MASK HIS OWN CARELESSNESS IN AGREEING TO PUT THE LEFT TURN LANE IN IN ORDER TO GET THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVAL.
THE COUNTY CERTAINLY DOES NOT WANT TO CREATE A PRECEDENT LIKE THAT.
IT WOULD UNDERMINE THE VERY CONCEPT OF HAVING AN EFFECTIVE PLANNING PROCESS.
THE COUNTY ALSO WOULDN'T WANT TO GAIN A REPUTATION FOR HELPING OUT FAST TALKING DEVELOPERS WHO'VE BEEN CARELESS OR WHO WANT TO CUT CORNERS AFTER GAINING AN APPROVAL, MAYBE JUST SO THEY CAN SAVE SOME MONEY.
RATHER, THE COUNTY SHOULD INSIST THAT DEVELOPERS CARE PLAY CAREFULLY BY THE RULES IN PLACE AT THE TIME THAT THEY SEEK THE APPROVAL FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENTS.
THAT REQUIRES A DENIAL OF THIS WAIVER REQUEST.
AND IT'S PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT HERE WHEN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION WOULD BE DIMINISHED ROAD SAFETY ALONG THE RIVER ROAD CORRIDOR.
SO WE BELIEVE THE WAIVER REQUEST SHOULD BE DENIED AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY OF THOSE, BUT I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS.
I'M TED LINHART, UH, 1 3 2 8 2 KELSTON COURT IN THE RIVERGATE SUBDIVISION.
UM, I'M HERE WITH TWO HEADS ON MY OWN, BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST IS THE, UM, STATEMENT FROM THE RIVERGATE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS, CATEGORICALLY OPPOSED AGAIN TO THIS, UH, WAIVER REQUEST.
UM, A COUPLE OF JUST COMMENTS AND, AND OUR POSITION IN RIVER GATE HAS BEEN PUT IN AN EMAIL AND SENT TO ALL OF YOU ALL THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN REFLECT ON, NOT LIKE GEORGE.
I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU TO REFLECT ON ALL THE FACTS AND ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON NOW FOR YEARS WHILE WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT.
YOU HAVE LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT, UM, AND TURNED IT DOWN PREVIOUSLY.
UM, AND SUPERVISORS OVERRULED YOUR OPINION ON THIS.
UM, THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE, UH, IN A VACUUM.
UH, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE BUFFERS, THE EGRESS, THE SIDE ROAD ISSUES, THE SETBACK ISSUES, UM, THE, UM, LOT SIZE ISSUES AND THE IMPACT ON THE, UM, ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE ISSUE FOR YOU TODAY IS THIS IS AN ECONOMIC ISSUE PUT UP AGAINST A SAFETY ISSUE.
WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS UNDER, EXCEPT UNDER UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR CONTROL.
SEVERAL THINGS IN THE THINGS IN THE SLIDES WERE MISLEADING.
YEAH, RIVERGATE AND SOME OF THE OTHERS ORGANIZATION, OTHER SUBDIVISIONS DON'T HAVE LEFT TURN LANES 'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T MANDATED IN 1998.
SO THAT LIST OF YESES AND NOS NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TODAY TO WHETHER THEY WERE REQUIRED OR NOT.
NOW WE CAN DEBATE WHETHER IT'S FIVE OR 12 OR 14, BUT THE LAW IS THE LAW.
IF WE'RE GONNA TREAT EVERYBODY EQUITABLY TO DO THIS, WE SHOULDN'T BE GIVING A DEVELOPER A BACK DOOR SO HE COULD MAKE MONEY ON HIS PROJECT 'CAUSE HE'S MISCALCULATED IT.
UH, HOW MUCH SETBACK HE COULD HAVE AND HOW MANY HOUSES HE COULD EAT, AND HOW SMALL THE LOTS COULD BECOME TO MAKE HIS NUMBERS WORK.
HE, IT SHOULDN'T BE COMING TO YOU ALL TO HELP HIM MAKE THAT.
WHEN WE'VE GOT THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS GOING TO THREE SCHOOLS UP AND DOWN RIVER ROAD.
YOU ALL KNOW THE AREA I'VE LIVED ON THAT ROAD FOR 55 YEARS CAN CITE THE NUMBER OF NEAR COLLISIONS, WHICH WERE NOT ON YOUR CHART THAT WE'VE HAD ON RIVER ROAD, WHERE PEOPLE SLAMMED ON BRAKES, KIDS, PERHAPS NOT AS ATTENTIVE AS THEY SHOULD BE.
ALL THE ATHLETIC FIELDS THAT ARE OUT THERE OFF BLAIR ROAD.
NOW, THE THREE SCHOOLS, THE EXPANSION OF BENEDICTINE, ALL OF THIS PLAYS INTO THIS NO LEFT HAND TURN.
BUT I DO WANT YOU TO BE AWARE THAT WE REMAIN CATEGORICALLY OPPOSED TO THIS FOR THE SIMPLE REASON.
RIVER ROAD IS UNSAFE ENOUGH WITHOUT YOU ALL DEVIATING FROM THE RULES.
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EVENING.I LIVE AT 3 2 3 WICKHAM GLEN, I JUST WANT TO ECHO ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS.
UH, AND SPEAKING PERSONALLY, IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT THEY'VE DONE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAYING THE PEAK TRAFFIC HOURS AT BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX, BUT I URGE YOU TO COME OUT IN THE MORNING.
IT IS DANGEROUS TO PULL OUT OF THESE, UH, THESE DEVELOPMENTS NOW IN THE MORNING.
THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC, KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL, ALL THESE CONSTRUCTION, UH, VEHICLES, ALL THESE WORK VEHICLES COMING INTO SERVICE, THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
I MOVED IN 2009, 2010 TO WICKHAM GLEN AND IT WAS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN YOU COULD BASICALLY PULL OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH, YOU KNOW, BLINDERS ON.
AND 90, 90% OF THE 99% OF THE TIME YOU'D BE FINE.
NOW YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO WAIT AND SOMETIMES YOU'RE CUTTING IT VERY CLOSE JUST 'CAUSE YOU HAVE LINES OF TRAFFIC.
IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PULL OUTTA THESE.
SO ABSOLUTELY, I THINK IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
AND YOU KNOW, NOW, YOU KNOW, RIVER ROAD ISN'T GETTING LESS BUSY.
THERE ARE MORE DEVELOPMENTS, THE MORE KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL, MORE KIDS USING THESE FIELDS.
AGAIN, A HUNDRED PERCENT I THINK IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
SO I THINK THE DEVELOPER JUST NEEDS TO FIGURE IT OUT.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD COMPROMISE ON THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA LIVE IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TRAVELING DOWN RIVER ROAD.
ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE THE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? OTHER QUESTION I'VE, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
WAS THERE ANY OTHER OPPOSITION MADE BY ANYONE ELSE IN OTHER HOAS THAT DO NOT ADJOIN THIS PROPERTY? UM, IT'S MY BELIEF THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCI THEN COME WAS, UH, RIVER, UH, RIVERGATE AND I BELIEVE ALSO WICKHAM GLEN DID AS WELL.
UM, BUT NOTHING FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA, AT LEAST FOR, FOR THIS CASE.
I KNOW THERE WAS CONCERN DURING THE ORIGINAL CASE FROM, UM, AS PEOPLE SPOKE FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA.
WELL, I I'VE SAID BEFORE, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, I THINK IN TERMS OF, UM, JUST THE SAFETY ISSUE, NOT JUST IN 2024, BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, AS A BOARD AND AS CITIZENS, UM, AND EVEN AS STAFF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS WHAT, HOW ARE THINGS GONNA LOOK, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW? UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IF ANYTHING, IT'S GONNA CHANGE AND IT'S GOING, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA GET WORSE.
IT NEVER GETS, IT NEVER GETS BETTER.
UM, THERE'S ALWAYS MORE PEOPLE, ALWAYS MORE CARS, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, AND THERE'S ALWAYS MORE SITUATIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE READ THROUGH THIS, I'VE HEARD, I'VE READ THROUGH, UH, CITIZEN EMAILS.
I'VE, I WAS AT THE MEETING, UH, MYSELF WHERE THINGS WERE QUITE HEATED, UM, YOU KNOW, PER THE PASSION, UH, OF THE RESIDENTS IN, UH, RIVERGATE AND THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, UM, AGAINST US.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE HEARD WHAT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ATTORNEY SAID FOR THE CLIENT AS WELL.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, I NEVER HEARD ANYBODY SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE LOOKED AT, OR MAYBE WE SHOULD BACK UP AND SEE WHETHER SOMEHOW WE COULD DO A LEFT, LEFT, UH, LEFT TURNING LANE.
UM, IT, IT JUST SEEMED TO BE, WELL, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE JUST CAN'T DO IT.
AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHY IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, I KEEP HEARING THE WORD WE, YOU KNOW, WE DID A DEEP DIVE INTO THESE THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW COME THERE WAS NOT A DEEP DIVE, IF YOU WILL, INTO TO CAN WE REALLY DO A LEFT TURNING LANE? UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.
AND SO I, AGAIN, MY MAJOR CONCERN, UH, WITH RIVER ROAD AND, AND A LOT OF THE OTHER ROADS IN, IN, UH, GLAND COUNTY THAT ARE SMALLER ROADS.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE MAJOR LARGE THOROUGHFARES.
I LIVE ON A SMALLER ROAD THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH 100% YELLOW LINE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
I MEAN, I THINK JUST ONE LITTLE STRETCH HAS THE LITTLE, THE DASHES, UH, WHERE YOU CAN PASS US.
BUT EVEN THAT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS WITH THE, THE TREE OVERHANGS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND DEER POPPING OUT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT TAKES PLACE.
SO MY, MY POSITION IS, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL OF SAFETY, UM, NOT ONLY IN 2024, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE OR WHERE WE WILL BE IN THE NEXT FIVE, SEVEN, OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
I THINK OUR TRAFFIC, UH, EXPERTS SAID THAT THEY DID
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LOOK AT THAT AND THERE WASN'T A GREAT GROWTH THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING TRAFFIC FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.SO THE ANALYSIS THEY PROVIDED, AGAIN WITH THEIR ORIGINAL RE ARIZONA CASE LOOKED OUT TO 2025, WHICH IS NOW NEXT YEAR.
RIGHT? SO HOW ABOUT PAST 25? THEY DID NOT PROVIDE ANALYSIS PAST 2025.
BUT ON THE APPLICANT SIDE, ALL THE OTHER METRICS ARE MET, RIGHT? VDOT DOES NOT WARRANT THIS, RIGHT?
VDOT DOES NOT WARRANT THE LEFT TURN LANE IN THIS CASE.
AND TRAFFIC, I MEAN, SEVEN 14 HOUSES, I MEAN, NOT A LOT.
WELL, I, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THAT POINT, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THE COUNTY HAS RECENTLY SAID THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN FIVE HOUSES, YOU NEED A LEFT TURN LANE.
SO, UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO A PLACE FOR AN ORDINANCE, FOR A WAIVER IF HE MAKE, ALWAYS, IF HE MEETS ALL OF THESE OTHER METRICS.
SO IN, IN, IN PEAK HOURS, THE ESTIMATE IS THAT THERE'S 18 CARS TURNING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE P AND PEAK, IT'S ESTIMATED THAT THERE WILL BE, AND LEMME MAKE SURE I GET THE NUMBERS RIGHT HERE.
UM, 18 TOTAL TRIPS IN AND OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND BASED ON THE DATA THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND THE MANUALS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, 63% OF THOSE WILL ENTER THE SUBDIVISION AT THE PM TIME COMING HOME FROM WORK.
AND THAT IS ULTIMATELY 12 TOTAL TRIPS.
SPREAD OUT OVER A TWO HOUR PERIOD.
SO 12 TOTAL TRIPS GOING IN, BUT THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY TURNING LEFT IN THERE.
THAT'S IT FOR THE POINT OF THIS ANALYSIS.
WE ASSUMED ALL 12 WILL TURN LEFT INTO OKAY.
THE SUBDIVISION TO PROVIDE A WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR OUR PURPOSES WHEN WE LOOK, WHEN WE TOOK A LOOK AT IT, OKAY.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T TRAVEL RIVER ROAD AS MUCH AS MAYBE OTHERS DO.
I'M ON FAIRGROUNDS TWO, THREE TIMES A DAY AND I CAN TELL YOU THE SAFEST PLACES ON FAIRGROUNDS OR WHERE THERE'S A LEFT HAND TURN LANE.
UM, I'VE GONE TO, UM, THE ATHLETIC FIELDS AT, UM, ON BLAIR ROAD, AND YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 50 KIDS SITTING THERE PLAYING SOCCER.
THERE'S HUNDREDS OF THEM AND THERE'S BUSES AND IT'S JUST JAM PACKED.
UM, AND I HAVE TO IMAGINE THAT MOST OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE USING THAT RIVER ROAD AREA.
UM, I THINK IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN.
I DO, I THINK ABOUT FUTURE GROWTH.
IF WE, IF WE WOULD'VE THOUGHT A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, FAIRGROUND WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE, BUILT OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
THINK OF ALL THE ACCIDENTS THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.
UM, I DO, I I WORRY ABOUT THE SAFETY OF IT.
UM, MR. UCK, I JUST NOTICED WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO LET'S DO THAT JUST FOR THE MINUTES.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING MR. GORDON.
I, I THINK THE APPLICANT'S PROVED HIS CASE.
I THINK THAT, UM, THE SIGHT LINES ARE GOOD.
THE, THE TRAFFIC IS REASONABLE.
VDOT DOES NOT DEMANDING THIS, AND HE HAS A RIGHT TO ASK FOR A WAIVER.
SO THEREFORE I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PROFFER AMENDMENT RZ 2 0 2 4 0 0 0 6 AT 12 3 10 RIVER ROAD AS PRESENTED.
CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? VOTE FOR CLARITY.
THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL IS DEFEATED? YES.
DO YOU DO WANNA SAY THAT IT WILL BE MOVING TO THE BOARD'S AGENDA? THIS CASE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON AUGUST 6TH, 2024, WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION PER SECTION 2.6 0.3 OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
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RULES OF PROCEDURE.ANY OLD BUSINESS? NO OLD BUSINESS.
OTHER BUSINESS IS DIRECTOR UPDATE.
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[9. Other Business-Director Update]
GOOD EVENING.UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, WE HAVE A VERY ACTIVE, UH, CASELOAD.
UM, I WAS GONNA GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE AS TO WHAT'S TO COME.
SO THERE ARE SEVERAL, UM, CASES AND ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON JULY 2ND.
IN DISTRICT ONE, WE HAVE BANDITS RIDGE, WHICH IS A, UM, A CURRENTLY HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC PLACE OF ASSEMBLY.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO AMEND THEIR, THEIR CUP TO ADD A WINERY AND INCREASE THE NUMBER OF EVENTS PER DAY AND TO ALLOW, ALLOW OUTDOOR MUSIC UNTIL 7:00 PM.
ALSO IN DISTRICT ONE, WE HAVE, UH, UM, MR. HEMOC, WHO IS REQUESTING A CUP FOR A GUNSMITH SHOP.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, HE HAS REMOVED HIS OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGE, UH, THAT THIS IS WHAT WAS HEARD AT, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST MONTH.
UH, MR. DANDRIDGE, UH, IN DISTRICT TWO, HE IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SMALL CONTRACTOR BUILDING STORAGE BUILDING.
UH, THIS IS THE REQUEST TO REZONE IN DISTRICT FOUR A PROPERTY FROM R THREE TO B THREE FOR AN OFFICE BUILDING.
WE ALSO HAVE ACCESS MANAGEMENT.
THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UH, THAT IS A COUNTYWIDE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
AND THIS WOULD REVISE THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
A PORTION OF BOTH OF THOSE, UM, AS IT PERTAINS TO ROAD REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN, UH, THE STORMWATER AND ENS, UM, THAT IS ON THE SCREEN.
THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT THE STATE HAS MANDATED THAT, UM, LOCALITIES COMBINED, UH, TWO SEPARATE PERMITS INTO ONE PERMIT.
UH, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THIS IS NOT IN THE ZONING OR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO THIS WILL BE GOING DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD, BUT I DID WANNA BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION SINCE IT DOES RELATE TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THEN LOOKING AHEAD FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JULY 18TH, UH, THERE ARE ALSO SEVERAL, UH, CASES AS WELL AS ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
UH, THAT WILL BE BEFORE YOU AT A PUBLIC HEARING IN DISTRICT TWO.
UH, FLEMING, UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SMALL CONTRACTOR STORAGE BUILDING.
UM, MS. THURSTON AND DISTRICT THREE WILL BE REQUESTING A RENEWAL OF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNHOSTED, UH, LUCK COMPANY IN DISTRICT FOUR.
THEY'RE REQUESTING A CUP, UH, FOR OVERBURDENED PLACEMENT AND STONE CRUSHING FACILITIES.
THIS IS A SUBDIVISION ACCEPTANCE.
SO THIS WILL BE, UH, A ACTION ITEM BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WILL NOT GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, HE IS REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION, UH, TO HAVE A ROAD REQUIREMENT OF A PUBLIC ROAD BE, UH, PRIVATE ROAD.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A CONSIDERATION OF A COUNTYWIDE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR FLOOR AREA RATIO.
THAT'S WHAT THE FAR IS ON THE SCREEN.
UH, THIS IS A CONSIDERATION TO REMOVE THE, UH, FLOOR AREA RATIO FROM INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, A FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, AS WELL AS AN ADOPTION OF THE FLOODPLAIN MAPS.
THIS IS A, UH, PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT, UM, UH, HAVE BEEN, HAS BEEN VETTED THROUGH BOTH THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND ALSO WE INCLUDED, UM, UH, NUMEROUS OPPORTUNITIES FOR CITIZENS WHO ARE IMPACTED BY THE, UM, FLOODPLAIN TO PARTICIPATE.
UM, THAT WILL BE BEFORE YOU, UH, NEXT MONTH.
AND THEN, OH, IT'S NOT WORKING FOR SOME REASON.
CAN, CAN YOU ALL ADVANCE ME TO THE NEXT SCREEN? WHEN YOU SAY ADOPT FIRM MAP, WHAT IS FARM? SO, I'M SORRY.
UM, SO THAT'S THE FLOOD INSURANCE, UH, RATE MAPS.
SO, UM, JUST FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC'S NOTICE, UH, FOR THOSE WHO ARE, ARE STILL IN THE AUDIENCE ARE LISTING FROM HOME, THE SHORT VERSION OF IT IS, IS THAT GLAND COUNTY, SINCE 2008, HAS PARTICIPATED IN A FEDERAL PROCESS THAT, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZES THAT, UM, OUR FLOODPLAINS AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT PUBLISHES MAPS TO, TO LET PEOPLE KNOW AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABLE TO GET SOME FEDERALLY FUNDED, UM, FLOOD INSURANCE AS A RESULT OF IT.
UM, SO WHAT IS, UM, WE DO HAVE ONE COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, COMING UP AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA TRY AND GET IT ON THE SCREEN SO THOSE AT HOME CAN ACTUALLY READ IT AS WELL.
BUT, UH, TC ENERGY, WHICH IS, UM, COLUMBIA GAS, THEY HAVE A TRANSMISSION, UH, STATION HERE IN THE COUNTY THAT'S LOCATED IN DISTRICT THREE.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO AMEND THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO
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ADD AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING, UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THEIR ORIGINAL CEP.ANY KIND OF EXPANSION NEEDS TO GO BEFORE, UM, UH, BEFORE YOU AND THE BOARD, THIS IS GOING TO BE ON THE 10TH, I THINK IT SAYS THE SIXTH THERE.
IT IS ACTUALLY ON THE 10TH OF, UH, JULY.
UH, THAT WILL BE AT 6:00 PM AND THAT'S AT ST.
MATTHEW'S UNITED METHODIST, UH, CHURCH.
SO ACTUALLY NOBODY SEES THE SCREEN BECAUSE, UH, FOR JULY STUFF UP.
YES, THAT IS, RIGHT NOW THAT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE.
AGAIN, WE DO HAVE A VERY ACTIVE, UM, CASELOAD, PRE-APPLICATION CASELOAD, SO THERE WILL BE MORE I'M SURE COMING.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
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OH, NICE.EVERYBODY GOT YOUR BUSINESS CARDS? I KNOW, RIGHT? PROMISE YOU.
I'M GONNA GIVE 'EM OUT TO EVERYONE I KNOW.
OH GOSH, LADIES, TAKES UP YOUR TIME.
I, THAT'S THE FIRST DO WHAT? WE DID A RECOMMENDATION.
YOU MAY TOMORROW, RIGHT? I HOPE SO.
YOU ON, YOU'RE ON THE ARE YOU ON BOARD? HE HAD I WHY? YEAH.
I, I HE WAS, YEAH, I'M NOT SURE.
LIKE, I'M HOPING, HOPING TO MAKE OH, OKAY.
IS THAT ALRIGHT? ENJOY YOUR SUMMER.
REALLY? OH, IT'S PSYCHOS PSYCHOLOGISTS.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE CRAZY OF THE SEVENTIES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COOL.
HOW ARE YOU GETTING? ABSOLUTELY.
WE WERE ASKED TO GIVE THE ANALYSIS YOU'LL GIVE.