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I WILL CALL TO ORDER THIS, UH, PUBLIC MEETING, C**N COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TRANSPORTATION WORKSHOP, UH, FOR 1:00 PM ON JULY 2ND, 2 20 24.
UM, WE HAVE ALL OUR SUPERVISORS IN ATTENDANCE AND I WILL HAND THIS MEETING OVER TO MR. JOSH LESLIE.
SO I'M SUBSTITUTE TODAY FOR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, UM, CARPENTER, WHO IS OUTSTATE, SO GETS HIS RISK NOT BEING IN ATTENDANCE.
UH, HE WILL NOT NEED YOU FOR THIS EVENING AS WELL, SO I'M GETTING PREPPED FOR THAT.
UH, PLEASE EXCUSE ANY, UH, SMOOTHNESS OR LACK OF SMOOTHNESS AS WE GO FORWARD.
VERY EASY TOPIC OF CONVERSATION TODAY.
HOWEVER, I HAVE A VERY ABLE, AWESOME ONGOING TRANSPORTATION MANAGER WHO'S GONNA PRESENT THE MATERIAL FOR YOU.
AND HE HAS A BRIEFING, UH, WITH OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS.
I'LL SET UP AGENDA TOPICS FOR YOU.
OH, AND I WILL NOTE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE AN AGENDA PRINTED.
ALRIGHT, THANK, UM, MR. GILLESPIE SAID WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION WORKSHOP AND SOME, UH, LOOKING AT THE AGENDA.
TAKE A LOOK AT CURRENT STUDIES AND PROJECTS.
UM, GONNA DISCUSS AT A HIGH LEVEL TO THE FINAL OF BLOCK 25
SPECIFICALLY CALLING OUT ONE ADDITIONAL FUNDED PROJECT THAT WE WERE MADE AWARE OF RECENTLY, THE COURTHOUSE WITH SIDEWALK PROJECT.
UM, GONNA DISCUSS THE GLAND TRANSPORTATION PROJECT PRIORITY UPDATE AND WHERE WE STAND WITH DEVELOPING A TRANSPORTATION, CFP.
AND WITH THAT, AS, AS WE LOOK TO BUILD PRIORITIES, DO WANT TO PULL OUT ROCKVILLE ROAD.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT ROCKVILLE ROAD AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS AROUND THAT CORRIDOR.
SO DO HAVE, UM, IT'S THE SPECIFIC CONVERSATION AROUND THAT.
AND THEN DID WANT TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION AND SOLICIT SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY AND A POTENTIAL BONDING OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY SEEKING TO GO THROUGH.
WITH THAT, WE'LL JUMP INTO CURRENT STUDIES AND PROJECTS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE THAT ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, SO I ACTUALLY WROTE INTERCHANGE IS THE COUNTY'S NUMBER ONE TRANSPORTATION PRIORITY AND HAS BEEN FOR SOME TIME NOW.
UM, THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING IS SET TO KICK OFF ONCE THE INTERCHANGE ACCESS REPORT IS CONCLUDED.
HOWEVER, AHEAD OF THAT, THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED FIELD SURVEY, SO THEY'RE ALREADY GATHERING DATA ON EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE FIELD TODAY.
THE NEXT STEP FOR THAT INTERCHANGE ACCESS REPORT IS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR SECOND ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT NOW.
AND THERE THERE IS AN ONLINE SURVEY THAT IS OPEN ACTUALLY STARTING TODAY, THIS MORNING, AND IT WILL RUN THROUGH THE 15TH OF THIS MONTH.
WE'VE ALREADY SHARED THAT ON THE COUNTY SOCIAL MEDIA, IT'S ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
IT'S ALSO ON FEED ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THEIR WEBSITE AS WELL.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO A GOAL OF SUBMITTING THE ACTUAL IAR DOCUMENT ITSELF TO THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION AND LATE AUGUST, EARLY SEPTEMBER FOR FINAL CONCURRENCE ON THE FINAL DESIGN OF WHAT THE INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENT WILL BE.
AND CONSTRUCTION ON THE INTERCHANGE ITSELF IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO BE MIDDLE OF 2028 AND EYEBALLING AND COMPLETION LATE 2031 IS WHERE THE CURRENT SCHEDULE IS.
SO MOVING ON TO THE HOCKEY ROAD REALIGNMENT, UH, RECENTLY ACTUALLY JUST HELD A VDOT LOCATION, PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO WE'VE DISCUSSED THE, UH, POSSIBLE ALIGNMENTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THIS, UH, ROAD PROJECT.
UH, WE, I PRESENTED TWO POSSIBLE ALIGNMENTS FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT.
THE ONE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS OPTION ONE, WHICH HAS A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT JUST NORTH OF HOLLY LANE, SOUTH OF THAT EMERGENCY VET.
AND HAVING A ROAD GO THROUGH THAT EXISTING FARM FIELD CONNECTING TO WHERE 6 23 ASLAND ROAD HIT, UH, ROUTE TWO 50.
BROAD STREET ROAD CONSTRUCTION IS SCHEDULED TO START, UH, MAY OF 2028 ON THIS PROJECT, REGARDLESS OF WHICH ALIGNMENT IS CHOSEN.
AND THEN FOR, UH, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE THE MEETING, OPTION TWO IS ON THE SCREEN AS WELL WHERE THE ROUNDABOUT IS NORTH OF THAT EMERGENCY VET JUST SOUTH BROAD STREET, TRYING TO FIT IN AGAIN, A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT WITH NECESSARY ALIGNMENTS TO THE BUSINESS DRIVEWAYS AND THEN HAVING THE, THE ROAD RUN THROUGH THAT FIELD AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED AT THE PUBLIC OR TO THE PUBLIC AT THE, UH, JUNE 11TH PUBLIC HEARING.
DIDN'T THE VDOT MANAGER SAY WE CAN'T DO OPTION TWO? AND IT WAS JUST THERE? 'CAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO SHOW TWO.
IT'S ONE THAT WOULD REQUIRE MORE EXCEPTIONS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAN OPTION ONE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S STILL CONSTRUCTABLE IF THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS ARE BRAND.
I CERTIFY TO SAY WE CAN'T DO THIS, BUT WE'RE REQUIRED TO SHOW TWO, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE MULTIPLE OPTIONS, BUT THIS ONE DOESN'T REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT MORE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS TO, TO THE STANDARD.
SO THE OLDVILLE ROAD I BEFORE WESTBOUND, BRANCH ROUNDABOUT IS ANOTHER, UH, PROJECT THAT'S UNDERWAY.
UH, THE PROJECT WAS OFFICIALLY AWARDED FUNDS BY THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD ON JUNE 18TH, UH, COMBINED WITH JUNE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ACTION.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS NOW FULLY FUNDED, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO.
PROJECT DESIGN HAS BEEN AND STILL IS VERY MUCH UNDERWAY BECAUSE
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WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO MEET THIS DEADLINE OF OCTOBER, 2026 'CAUSE OF THE FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT ARE ON, WE DO HAVE THAT CONSTRUCTION HARD DEADLINE OF EXPENDING THOSE DOLLARS BY THAT DATE.AND WE WERE VERY MUCH ON TRACK FOR THAT.
UM, THEN THE FAIRGROUND ROAD EXTENSION PROJECT, WHICH WOULD GO FROM THE ROUNDABOUT OUT TO ROUND SIX RIGHT HERE NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
UH, DESIGN CONTINUES TO PROGRESS.
NO REAL UPDATES TO PROVIDE ON THAT, BUT CONSTRUCTION IS SCHEDULE TO START SOMETIME OF 2026.
SO WITH THAT, AS WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FORWARD TO FINDING MORE MONEY FOR PROJECTS WE HAVE IN THE QUEUE THAT WE WANT TO GET DONE, UH, SMART SCALE ROUND SIX, WHICH IS THE BIG POT OF FUNDS THAT WE USE, STATE AND FEDERAL AND, UH, SOME LOCAL DOLLARS TO LEVERAGE THE SMART SCALE DOLLARS.
UM, ON THE BOARD'S AGENDA FOR THIS AFTERNOON IS A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT.
THOSE PROJECTS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED THROUGH SMART SCALE, IS THE LOCALITY BOARD MUST, UH, PASS A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECTS YOU WISH TO ASK FOR BANK FOR.
AND THE FOUR WE'RE SEEKING THIS YEAR ARE THE FAIR GROUND ROAD, MAINES ROAD ROUNDABOUT, WHICH WILL BE A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AND THEN THREE PROJECTS ON ROUTE 2 88.
ONE HAD THE TWO 50 INTERCHANGE, A MYRIAD OF IMPROVEMENTS.
ROUTE 2 88 SOUTHBOUND AUXILIARY LANE.
ADDING A THIRD LANE FROM BROAD STREET ROAD TO TALKING ABOUT THREE PARKWAY ON SOUTHBOUND ROUTE 2 88.
SO THAT'D BE THREE LANES FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE SOUTHBOUND PARTIAL RUNNING LANE, WHICH IS THE SISTER PROJECT TO THE NORTHBOUND PARTIAL RUNNING LANE FROM ROUTE SEVEN 11 AND PALATAN TO ROUTE SIX WEST CREEK INTERCHANGES.
UM, THE NORTHBOUND IS FULLY FUNDED AND DESIGN IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY FOR THAT.
WE'RE JUST SEEKING MONEY NOW FOR THE, LIKE I SAID, THE SISTER PROJECT IS SOUTHBOUND ITERATION OF THAT, UH, DESIGN OPTION OVER THE JANUARY INITIAL PROJECT.
SCORING ON THESE AND ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED IS EXPECTED FEBRUARY OF 2025, WHICH IS A TYPICAL TIMEFRAME THAT WE DO SEE.
AND THEN THE FINAL FUNDING DECISION IS MADE BY THE CTV FOR SMART SCALE IN JUNE OF 2025.
SO THAT'S WHEN EVERY DOLLAR WILL BE OFFICIALLY.
AND THE LAST, UH, STUDY WE'VE GOT UNDERWAY NOW IS THE WEST CREEK AREA TRANSPORTATION ACCESS STUDY.
WE HAVE A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN WITH CERTAIN ROADS CALLED OUT FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
WHAT THIS STUDY IS LOOKING TO DO IS TEST THEM AND BREAK THEM TO SEE IF ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED, IF WE DEVELOP FURTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR IF THEY'RE SUFFICIENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE ULTIMATELY WANT TO DECIDE.
UM, WE JUST GOT THROUGH THE PUBLIC, UH, SURVEY PORTION OF THAT PROJECT AND IT RESULTED IN ALMOST A THOUSAND PARTICIPANTS, WHICH IS FANTASTIC.
SO A LOT OF GOOD PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON THAT.
UH, A WORKING GROUP, MYSELF INCLUDED, MET ON THE 26TH TO DISCUSSED EXISTING CONDITIONS AND RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY.
SOME OF THE TOP ISSUES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WERE CONGESTION, SAFETY, SPEEDING, AND THEN ALSO PROPER FUTURE PLANNING.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CONTINUALLY CALLED OUT, MAKING SURE WE PLANTED COORDINATED.
UH, I WILL NOTE THAT ROUTE TWO EIGHT IS ONE OF THE KEY AREAS WHERE CONGESTION WAS, UH, A MAJOR CONCERN FOR THE CONSTITUENTS.
BUT WE DO HAVE NOT ONLY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY UNDER DESIGN, BUT ONES THAT WE'RE SEEKING FUNDING FOR.
THERE'S ALREADY QUITE A FEW IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'LL HOPE TO SOLVE.
A LOT OF THAT CONGESTION AND, AND SAFETY CONCERNS ON ROUTE TWO EIGHT.
A LOT OF THOSE ARE ALREADY IN QUEUE AND WE HOPE TO HAVE THIS STUDY COMPLETED SUMMER OF 2025.
WHO IS WORKING? SO THE WORKING GROUP CONSISTED OF MYSELF AND OP REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL AS A CONSULTANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON OUR CURRENT STUDIES AND PROJECT BEFORE I MOVE ON? ALRIGHT, SO I'LL JUMP INTO THE FY 25 TO FY 30, WHO'S BEEN SIX YEAR PLAN.
UM, I'VE PUT THIS ON THE SCREEN EVERY, UH, TIME.
WE HAVE A WORKSHOP NOT TO GO THROUGH LINE BY LINE, UH, BLOCK BY BLOCK.
BUT JUST AS A CONVERSATIONAL PIECE TO, I ALWAYS LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY $140 MILLION WORTH OF BACK TRANSPORTATION FUNDS, WHETHER IT'S PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY, PROJECTS WE'RE SEEKING FUNDING FOR LEVERAGE KNOWLEDGE WE ALREADY HAVE FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
BUT WE HAVE CURRENTLY $140 MILLION LEVERAGE IN SOME WAY FOR TRANSPORTATION IN THE COUNTY, WHICH I THINK IS REMARKABLE.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I DO WANT TO CALL OUT THE, THE LAST LINE, THE LAST PROJECT ON THE SPREADSHEET IS THE COURTHOUSE SIDEWALK IS, UM, ACTUALLY RIGHT OUTSIDE THE WINDOW.
IT'S ADDING A SIDEWALK FROM FREE MARSHALL LANE HERE AT THE SIGNAL TO GLAND CARES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ROUTE SIX, WHERE WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANY SIDEWALK.
AND WITH THAT PROJECT, UH, STAFF PRESENTED TO THE BOARD IN THE TRANSPORTATION WORKSHOP IN MARCH THAT THIS PROJECT WAS NOT LIKELY TO RECEIVE ANY FUNDS BECAUSE IT DID SCORE VERY POORLY THROUGH THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES OR TA PROGRAM.
HOWEVER, THE CTP DID DECIDE TO FUND ALL OF THOSE APPLICATIONS IN THE RICHMOND DISTRICT.
SO WITH THAT, WE NOW HAVE THE FUNDS, UH, THE FEDERAL LEVERAGE FUNDS, BUT THEY DO REQUIRE LOCAL MATCH.
OUR REQUIRED MATCH FOR THAT PROJECT IS 535,000 $109, AND THAT EQUALS A TOTAL PROJECT ESTIMATE OF 1.69 MILLION TO COVER THAT $535,000.
UH, MATCH REQUIREMENT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE FUNDS BE APPROPRIATED FROM THE EAST END TRAILS, WHICH HAS APPROXIMATELY $960,000 IN ITS, UH, CIP ACCOUNT.
NOW, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND TRANSFERRING THAT ENTIRE AMOUNT
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AS CONSTRUCTION IS NOT CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO, TO START ON THAT PROJECT UNTIL EARLY 2028.SO WE WANT TO PROVIDE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CONTINGENCY INFLATION THINGS THAT MAY COME UP AS WE GO THROUGH PLAN, REVIEW AND DESIGN.
UM, AND THEN, YES, SO I REALLY DO HAVE TROUBLE WITH PRONOUNS AND EXACTLY WHAT IS NOT SCHEDULED TO BEGIN 20 EAST SENT TRAILS.
NO CONSTRUCTION OF THE COURTHOUSE SIDEWALK.
UM, AND THEN AT EASTERN TRAILS IS STILL DETERMINED TO BE A PRIORITY WITH THE PRIORITY UPDATE THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.
UM, THE EAST END PROFFERS, WHICH WE CONTINUALLY GET FUNDS THROUGH, UH, RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, CAN BE USED TO REPLACE THE FUNDS THAT ARE TRANSFERRED OUT HERE.
IS THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS ON THIS? YEAH, IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET A, A BREAKDOWN OF THE COSTS FOR THIS PRODUCT? I CAN PROVIDE A DETAIL.
I KNOW THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE, BUT FOR LESS ABOUT, FOR WHAT? ABOUT A QUARTER MILE OF SIDEWALK HERE.
IT'S RIGHT ABOUT ONE HALF MILE.
AND THE ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW IS THE S 1.7 MILLION.
UM, IT, IT DOES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BUILD IT.
THAT WAS MY FIRST REACTION AS BUNDLE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY PROJECTS ARE, THE PRICE TAGS HAVE NOT COME DOWN RECENTLY.
YEAH, I'VE GOT A, UM, A COPY OF THE DETAIL COST S I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT.
WHAT ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS? ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT, UM, THE GOLAND TRANSPORTATION PROJECT, WE'RE ALREADY UPDATES.
THE NEXT THING WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS LOOKING AT BUILDING A TRANSPORTATION CIP AND AND MAKING SURE THAT WE LOOK AT THE RIGHT PROJECTS IN THE RIGHT TIME FRAME.
UH, STAFF DID CONTRACT WITH RK AND K TO ASSIST IN DEVELOPING A
THE FIRST STEP IN THAT FRAMEWORK IS TO DEVELOP CRITERIA FOR THIS PRIORITIZATION.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA USE TO GRADE THE PROJECTS AND, AND RANK 'EM? UH, WE'RE GONNA CREATE RANKING CATEGORIES AND ASSIGN DIFFERENT WEIGHTS TO THOSE CATEGORIES.
UH, RK AND K DID PRESENT THOSE DRAFT CATEGORIES AND WAYS FOR CONSIDERATION, WHICH I THE SCREEN HERE IN JUST A SECOND.
AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR BOARD FEEDBACK AND INPUT ON THOSE, UH, CRITERIA.
SO HERE'S THE CRITERIA THAT I MENTIONED.
THE BULK OF IT IS OFF OF HOW DOES IT SCORE, ESSENTIALLY WHAT DOES IT DO? WHAT'S THE BENEFIT THE PROJECT GIVES THE COUNTY AND THE CITIZENS.
SO THAT'LL BE 80% OF THE BULK SCORE.
AND THAT'S BROKEN DOWN FURTHER BY SAFETY CONGESTION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACCESS, AS WELL AS BY TRANSIT ACCESSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT SIDEWALKS, TRAILS, PROJECTS OF THAT NATURE.
THE REST OF THAT, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT WILL BE COST, COST EFFECTIVENESS, ESSENTIALLY A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF THOSE PROJECTS WHERE WE GET THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
AND THEN 5% IS PROJECT READINESS.
THE WAY WE'RE REALLY GOING TO FRAME THIS IN THE LANGUAGE AND IN THE, UM, IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT, IT'S ALMOST BONUS POINTS WHERE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE DONE ON A PROJECT.
WE SHOULD GO AND FINISH THAT PROJECT AND ASSIGN IT A FEW BONUS POINTS TO GET THAT HIGHER ON THE LIST IF IT'S EVEN NECESSARY.
SO WE CAN GO AND FINISH THE PROJECT OUT.
SO I'LL STOP HERE FOR ANY INITIAL COMMENTS, UH, QUESTIONS ON THESE CRITERIA.
ARE WE MISSING SOMETHING OR GRADES? RIGHT? WHO, WHO ARE ASSIGNING GRADES?
SO THIS WILL BE AS WE DEVELOP, UH, THE PROJECT LIST, WE'RE GOING TO FURTHER DEFINE LIKELY IT'S GONNA BE PULLED FROM SMART SCALE CRITERIA.
IT'S GONNA BE VERY SIMILAR TO THAT.
SO THE CRITERIA THAT ARE USED TO DEFINE SAFETY V HAS A PORTAL CALLED VRAN, WHICH IS HOW THEY ASSIGN SAFETY NEEDS TO EACH COUNTY AND SO ON.
AND, AND HOW THEY BECOME AWARE OF SAFETY NEEDS TO JUDGE NEEDS.
I THINK THAT WILL BE A MAJOR TOOL WITH THAT AS WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT PROJECTS, WHETHER IT BE PROJECTS ON BROAD STREET AND ASHLAND ROAD, ICB 4 2 88.
SO, UM, BUT IT'LL BE FURTHER DEVELOPED AS WE GET THE FRAMEWORK AS WELL.
AS FAR AS THE SPECIFICS SET OF FUNDING AVAILABLE, THAT IS PART OF THE PROJECT READINESS.
IT'S PART OF WHAT, WHAT FUNDING POT ARE THINGS ELIGIBLE FOR? BECAUSE WE DON'T, IT MIGHT BE THE EIGHTH RANKED PROJECT, BUT IT MAY BE THE ONLY ONE ELIGIBLE FOR A CERTAIN POT OF MONEY.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA WAIT TILL WE GET DOWN TO IT.
IT'S GONNA JUMP TO THE TOP AS FAR AS THE ELIGIBILITY FOR THAT SPECIFIC POT MONEY.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? CAN YOU DEFINE THE WHITE HEAD TRANSIT ACCESSIBILITY AND HOW WE WANT THAT THERE? SO WE WANTED TO LOOK AT PROJECTS LIKE THE COURTHOUSE, SIDEWALK AND EASTERN TRAILS.
IF WE WANT TO SEEK FUNDING FOR THOSE, HAVE A WAY TO TO GRADE THEM.
AND IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE TOUGH TO GRADE THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS AGAINST HIGHWAY PROJECTS 'CAUSE THE BENEFIT WILL BE CONSIDERABLY LESS.
BUT WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY IN THE VILLAGES.
UM, POTENTIAL BIKE TRAILS OR BIKE PATHS THAT WE WANNA PUT ON ROTOR OFF ROAD FACILITIES.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO KEEP SOME MECHANISM TO GRADE THOSE PROJECTS AND WHEN THEY,
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SO YOU COULD GET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE BIKE HEAD, 10% ZERO BECAUSE THAT THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY HAS ZERO SAFETY.I'M GONNA FOLLOW YOUR, ALRIGHT.
SAFETY'S 30% OF THE SCORING RIGHT IS PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY ZERO.
I MEAN THERE'S NO, PEOPLE AREN'T HOPEFULLY GONNA BE BUMPING INTO EACH OTHER CREATING INTERPERSONAL ACCIDENTS AND THERE'S NO CONGESTION.
THERE'S NO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACCESS.
THEY'LL SCORE A HUNDRED PERCENT BY THAT.
WELL THE WAY THESE CRITERIA WILL PULL, AND LIKE I SAID, LIKELY IT'S GONNA BE VERY PARALLEL TO WHAT SMART SCALE WOULD USE 'CAUSE IT'S A VERY IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS AND THESE SPECIFIC CRITERIA.
BUT TAKE A SIDEWALK PROJECT, IF WE WERE TO GO THROUGH SMART SCALE, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA PULL A SAFETY SCORE BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING FOLKS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE DRIVE ON A SIDEWALK IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE, INSTEAD OF DRIVING THE FOOD LINE, THEY MAY BE LITTLE WALK.
SO THAT'S GOING TO ADD TO A SAFETY SCORE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE POTENTIALLY REMOVING A DRIVER FROM THE ROAD AND CREATING PEDESTRIAN.
IF YOU'RE REMOVING A DRIVER AND ADDING A BIKER, THAT'S GOING TO BE SAFER FOR THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC BECAUSE THERE'S ONE LESS VEHICLE ON THE ROAD AND IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA ADD IN THE, UM, THE BIKE ASPECT.
I MEAN BIKES GET HIT BY CARS ALL THE TIME.
SO, UH, AND WHO DEFINES WHAT CONGESTION DO WE USE? THE FAILING INTERSECTION? LIKE IT'S A D LEVEL, C LEVEL.
IT'S GONNA BE VERY SIMILAR TO THAT CRITERIA.
AGAIN, IT'S VERY SMART SCALE BASED.
SO THE CRITERIA THAT THEY USE IS VERY LEVEL OF SERVICE ORIENTED.
AND THEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHO DEFINES WHAT IT'S GONNA BE? ROADS THAT ACCESS, LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHAT WE, OR WHAT LAND BASED AND LAND AREAS WE HAVE CALLED OUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA.
WHAT PROJECTS WILL EXPAND ACCESS TO THOSE LANDS? CREATE ACCESS TO THOSE LANDS, PROVIDE MORE ACCESSIBILITY TO THOSE LANDS.
THAT'LL BE BAKED INTO THAT SCORES.
SHOULD THERE BE A, SO I THIS GOOD JOB ON THIS, SHOULD THERE BE SOMETHING THAT, MAYBE IT'S IN A COST COST EFFECTNESS, BUT THAT AROUND POTENTIAL FUNDING.
SO THERE'S CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT WE SHOULD BRING HIGHER BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THERE ARE MORE APPLICABLE FUNDING SOURCES.
THAT PROJECT IS MORE LIKELY TO GET FUNDED.
SO SHOULD WE INCLUDE SOME SORT OF MECHANISM LIKE THAT IN OUR SCORE? SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT I THINK MR. WINTER ASKED EARLIER, WHERE THAT'S ALSO BASED INTO THE PROJECT READINESS WHERE IF IT'S OUR EIGHTH OR 10TH RANKED PROJECT JUST BASED ON SCORE, BUT IF'S THE ONLY ONE ELIGIBLE FOR A CERTAIN POT OF MONEY, IT'S GONNA JUMP THE LINE AND GO IN FOR THAT POT OF MONEY NOW RATHER THAN WAITING WHEN IT'S TURNED TO COME TO TO BE NUMBER ONE.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT, IT DOES.
AND I WOULD POTENTIALLY ARGUE THAT PROJECT READINESS SHOULD BE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE.
YEAH, I CAN'T AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, BECAUSE I REALLY THINK WE'RE GONNA, WHAT WE CONVEY TO THE CITIZENS IS GONNA BE NEED BE FOCUSED ON WHO IS GENERATING WHAT, WHO OR WHAT SYSTEM IS GENERATING THE SCORES AND HOW THEY'RE COMING ABOUT.
BECAUSE THIS IS, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE CRITERIA ARE SUBJECTIVE, UM, TO, AND VERY TO A VERY WIDE DEGREE BETWEEN PEOPLE, RIGHT? UH, AND SO I THINK VDOT IS, IS MUCH MORE THEY TAKE, THEY STRIP THE EMOTION OUT OF IT AND THEY, I THINK THEY HAVE TO TO CREATE VALID SCORING AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UH, JUDGE ON AN APPLE, APPLE BASIS.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOUR A CITIZEN IS NOT IMMERSED IN IT.
IT'S GONNA BE TOTALLY CONFUSED.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT WE WILL BE THE FIRST COUNTY IN THIS REGION TO HAVE A SPEC SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR OUR COUNTY
UM, TALKING TO V THEY ASK ONCE WE PERFECT THIS, LET THEM KNOW
UM, BECAUSE IT'S A TOOL THAT DOESN'T REALLY, RIGHT? IT IS OUR PROPRIETARY, WE ARE SOFTWARE LICENSE AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE GOAL WAS TO SEND OUT AND BE THE FIRST ONE TO HAVE A GRADING SYSTEM.
BUT WE WANT TO PULL FROM EXISTING CRITERIA THAT'S OUT THERE.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S VERY SMART SCALE LADEN BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIG POT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE THAT ACCEPTS THE MOST TYPES OF PROJECTS.
BUT ONE THING I WILL LIKE OUR KK PROVIDE IS A BREAKDOWN, THE DETAILED NARRATIVE AS TO WHAT EACH CRITERIA IS BASED OFF OF.
I THINK THAT WILL HELP AS WELL.
AND THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE A PART OF THE FRAMEWORK.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY JUST A FEW BULLET POINTS ON THE SCREEN FOR, FOR DISCUSSION, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A PART OF THE NARRATIVE.
SHOULD SOME OF OUR, SHOULD WE CONSIDER IN OUR SMART CRITERIA THE ABILITY OF A PROJECT TO BE LOCALLY ADMINISTERED VERSUS BEING NOT ADMINISTERED?
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THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE PART OF IT.AND YOU MENTIONED PROJECT READINESS MAYBE SHOULD INCREASE FROM 5%.
UM, I CERTAIN THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS A PART OF THAT.
WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN TAKE IT ON AS A LOCALLY ADMINISTERED PROJECT OR NOT, I THINK THAT FREES UP SOME TIME IN THE QUEUE OR GET THAT DONE SOONER THAN IT IS ADMINISTERED.
I COULD SEE SOMETHING LIKE, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, 15% SUBSETS FUNDING.
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I'M JUST THINKING THAT WOULD BE A SUBSET OF FUNDING READINESS, BUT A VERY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, COST, COST EFFECTIVENESS AND FUNDING WITHOUT THOSE INTERTWINED.
SO PROJECT READY SHOULD BE COMBINED.
MAYBE IT GETS LUMP 20%, UH, CATEGORY OR SOMETHING.
BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY KUDOS YOU ALL FOR DEVELOPING THIS.
BEING FIRST IS ONE THING, BUT JUST GETTING IT DONE, GETTING IT GOING.
AUSTIN, CAN I CLARIFY THOUGH, IS THIS, IS THIS A CRITERIA TO PRESENT PROJECTS TO THE BOARD SO THAT THE BOARD'S THEN CHOICE TO ALTER ANY OF THEM? YES, IN ORDER IS STILL THEIR CHOICE.
IT'S THIS TOOL WILL ALLOW STAFF TO PROVIDE A BETTER RECOMMENDATION AND THE RIGHT RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION.
WHENEVER WE CHASE A DOLLAR, UM, FOR EVERY SINGLE POT OF MONEY IT REQUIRES BOARD ACTION, BOARD RESOLUTION, SUPPORT OR DECISION, UM, WHICH KIND OF LEADS INTO THE PRIORITY LISTS WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND THEN EARLY INTO NEXT YEAR TO TO TO THE BOARD.
AS WE JUMP UP BETWEEN THE SLIDES, IS IT IN YOUR OPINION THAT THIS WILL PROVIDE GREATER TRANSPARENCY TO THE CITIZENS IN THAT WE CAN NOT PERFECTLY RIGHT, BUT STRIVE TO PROVIDE A MORE APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON PROJECT TO PROJECTS ON THESE CRITERIA? I THINK IT HELPS ANSWER THE WHY THAT COMES ABOUT A LOT.
IT'S WHY DID THIS PROJECT COME AHEAD OF THIS OTHER PROJECT? WHY DID WE FOCUS ON NATIONAL ROAD INSTEAD OF FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, ET CETERA.
I THINK THAT WILL HELP FURTHER THAT CONVERSATION, BUT IT'S ALSO, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE LIST CAN BE, WELL I THINK PROJECT NUMBER 30 IS THE ABSOLUTE UTMOST IMPORTANCE OF THE COUNTY.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA GO AND CHASE NUMBER 30 AND IGNORE ONE THROUGH FOUR AND THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
THIS IS NOT CERTAIN A LIST THAT'S INTENDED TO BE SET IN STONE, IT'S FLU.
AND I, I MENTION ALL THE TIME THAT NUMBER ONE LAND USE CASE AWAY FROM A NEW PRIORITY.
THAT ALSO IS A BIG PART OF IT THAT WE MIGHT NOT KNOW OF A PRIORITY PROJECT UNTIL THE LAND USE CASE COMES UP AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW IT'S, OH, WE'VE NOW FOUND OUT ABOUT A PROBLEM THAT WASN'T ON THE LIST LY.
SO WITH THE TIMELINE, UH, WELL BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT, SO SOUNDS LIKE I'LL HAVE, I'LL HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CONSULTANT ABOUT POTENTIALLY COMBINING THE LAST TWO CATEGORIES AND MAYBE FLESHING OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITY LOCAL ADMINISTER PROJECTS.
SO I WILL CERTAINLY DO MY HOMEWORK ON THAT.
I DO THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UH, SO THE TIMELINE FOR THIS, UH, THIS SUMMER THROUGH THE FALL OF THIS YEAR, WE'RE GONNA WORK TO GET THESE APPROVED CRITERIA SET IN STONE AND THEN START RANKING THE PROJECTS.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY PROVIDED ALL OF THE CURRENT IDENTIFIED PROJECTS THAT WE ARE AWARE OF, WHICH I THINK TOTAL AROUND 30 WITHIN THE COUNTY.
UM, WE'RE GONNA USE THOSE CRITERIA, LIKE I MENTIONED, TO RANK THEM.
AND THEN IN THE DECEMBER WORKSHOP THE GOAL IS THEN TO PRESENT A DRAFT PRIORITY LIST FOR CONVERSATION AND WE CAN SHUFFLE, MOVE THEM AROUND AND JUST PRESENT THE INITIAL FINDINGS AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO IT AND ANY TWEAKS THAT ARE NEEDED AT THAT POINT.
UM, THE PLAN IS TO PRESENT A FINAL PRIORITY LIST OF THE BOARD IN MARCH OF NEXT YEAR, WHICH ACTUALLY SETS US UP PERFECTLY FOR FALL OF 2025 APPLICATIONS FOR FUNDING.
'CAUSE THE FIRST POT NEXT YEAR WILL BE CBTA THAT WILL BE OPEN FOR APPLICATIONS SO THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE A LIST AND THEN BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE TOP PROJECTS FOR THAT, UH, EACH POOL IN THE FALL OF 25 AND, AND ROLL RIGHT INTO IT.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE, WE'RE VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO.
I THINK THE TIMING WORKS OUT PERFECTLY.
THIS DOES NOT AFFECT THE LIST THAT YOU FIRST SHARED WITH US, CORRECT? THAT IS, YOU MENTIONED THE SMART SCALE LIST.
YOU MENTIONED THE SMART SCALE LIST.
YEAH, SO THE SMART SCALE LIST IS, IS OUTSIDE OF THIS.
ESSENTIALLY THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED TO BE RELEASED.
EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT FUNDED.
ALRIGHT, SO OFFICER BEFORE YOU GO TO THE ROCK ROAD.
I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT GOING BACK TO ONE OF OUR FIRST SLIDES ABOUT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK BUT, UM, THE ASHLAND ROAD SURVEY THAT
THERE ARE A LOT OF LANDOWNERS THAT THIS INTERCHANGE IS GOING TO AFFECT, BUT THE TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS THERE, THE ACCESSIBILITY TO THEIR, TO THEIR LAND.
SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE, UH, FOLKS, UH, THAT ARE WATCHING THE REALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE SURVEY SO THAT WE GIVE THE BEST PROJECT ALL.
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UH, I THINK THERE, THERE MAY BE A NEED TO HAVE TO PUT FORTH A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PDO AND COUNTY AND THE BOARD SUPERVISORS.UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT AUTHORITIES WE HAVE, UM, VERSUS WHAT THEY IN CHARGE OF AND WHAT THEY HAVE AUTHORITY OVER AND KNOW WE, WE CAN TRY TO DISPAR AND INFLUENCE AND WHATEVER, BUT SOMETHING WE DISTINCT MANDATE OR WILL DO NOT.
AND I, I THINK OUR CITIZENS NEED TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THE PROJECT PRIORITY I THERE BEFORE I MOVE ON.
ALRIGHT, SO AS WE DISCUSSED PRIORITIES, UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT ROCKVILLE ROAD AND THEN ONCE YOU HAVE A DEDICATED SLIDE TO THAT.
SO LATELY, UM, STAFF AND I KNOW THE BOARD HAS RECEIVED A LOT OF EMAILS REGARDING ROCKVILLE ROAD HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH THE EXISTING CORRIDOR IS ENTRANCE OF TUCK BRIDGE TWO OR UH, SECTION TWO.
SO WHAT I NOTICED IN THE EMAILS WAS REALLY THREE CONSISTENT THEMES, UH, REQUESTS FOR A SAFETY STUDY BE PERFORMED.
UH, REQUEST FOR MODIFICATIONS TO ROCKVILLE ROAD SPECIFICALLY.
ONE IN PARTICULAR IS LOWERING THE HILL AT THE ENTRANCE TO TECHNICAL BRIDGE ON THE DEVELOPER AND THEN ADD ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY COME OUT OF A SAFETY STUDY TO THE PRIORITY LIST.
UM, STAFF HAS ALREADY ACTUALLY REQUESTED ME TO PERFORM A SAFETY STUDY.
UH, DO NOTE THAT THE LAST ONE WAS DONE IN 2016 AND HAD CERTAIN RECOMMENDATIONS.
SOME OF THAT LOOKED LIKE THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED IN THE FIELD.
UH, AND WE DID REQUEST VO FOCUS ON THREE PARTICULAR ISSUES, UH, LINE OF SIGHT ISSUES WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY.
WE KNOW THAT, UH, PROVIDES ITS CHALLENGES OUT THERE, THE SPEEDING ON ROCKVILLE ROAD AS WELL AS SPECIFICALLY THE ENTRANCE AT FRONT OF BRIDGE.
SO WE ARE EXPECTING VDOT TAKING A DEEPER LOOK AT THOSE THREE SPECIFIC ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO ROCK FORWARD.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE SIGNAGE, CORRECT.
SO PART THAT WE, WE WOULD EXPECT MUCH LIKE IN THE 2016 STUDY, ANY RECOMMENDATION BE, IF ANY UPDATED SIGNAGE NEEDED FOR SAFETY SIGNAGE.
HOW LONG DOES, SO WE ASKED, WE HAVE ASKED, WE HAVE THAT.
OKAY, WE HAVE ASKED AND IN SIX MONTHS THE TIMELINE I WAS GIVEN IS APPROXIMATELY THREE MONTHS.
THREE MONTHS TO GET A RESPONSE OR TO, TO GET A STUDY.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE A COMPLETED STUDY IN HAND IN THE OCTOBER TIME.
HOW MUCH DOES THAT STUDY COST? UH, V DOTS DOING, WE AN IN-HOUSE WITH TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, SO WE'LL BE FREE OF CHARGE.
I'M GLAD YOU POINTED THIS OUT ON YOUR, UM, BULLETS, BUT I DO THINK ONE AREA WHERE WE GET BOARD TO DISCUSS, BECAUSE IT IT DID IS SEPARATE FROM VDOT IS THE SPEEDING ISSUE.
I KNOW THIS REPORTS COME UP CONSIDERABLY WITH MANNEQUIN ROAD AND POCKET ROAD AND UM, A LOT OF THIS CAN ONLY BE ENGINEERED AWAY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
UM, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, A A USER
UM, AND IT, IT MIGHT REACH A POINT, I MEAN THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE, UM, OUR DECISIONS ON TRANSPORTATION ARE DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND, UH, TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO ALLOCATE THE BEST DOLLARS AND BEST RESOURCES.
SO I GUESS IT'S, IT'S BEEN A CONSTANT THEME AND WE CAN DO ALL THE STUDIES IN THE WORLD, BUT WE SEE CONSISTENCY IN THE DRIVERS OF OUR COMMUNITY VIOLATING THAT SPECIFIC ONE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS OTHER NEEDS, USE OTHER NEEDS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
AND UM, SO I JUST BRING THAT UP TO THE BOARD 'CAUSE I, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM THE BOARD BE VALUABLE STRESS TO OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND REALLY CRACKING DOWN INTO THOSE THING.
'CAUSE YOU SOME OF THESE AREAS TOO, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO REALIZE THESE ARE MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS, THESE ARE PLACES WHERE INDIVIDUALS FROM OTHER COUNTIES ARE UTILIZING OUR RESOURCES.
UM, THESE AREN'T HUGE ONLY PROBLEMS. AND IF THE, UM, THE PERSON IS COMING IN ON A DAILY BASIS, THEY MIGHT NOT APPRECIATE USUALLY QUITE THE SAME WAY ITS RESIDENTS DO.
UM, AS IT RELATES TO SPEEDING.
AND UM, I KNOW THAT'S A COMBINATION OF FAIRGROUNDS, BUT IN MY DISTRICT IT'S A COMMON ISSUE ON, UM, WEST STREET AVENUE, THE WEST CREEK AREA LIKE AUSTIN.
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KNOW THIS THE PUBLIC, UH, MEETING, UH, BUT FOR THOSE WHO, WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE FACT THAT WE ARE IN FACT DOING A STUDY THROUGHAND SO IT SEEMS TO BE WELL COMMUNICATE TO THE CONCERNED CITIZENS.
THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING, THE STUDY IS UNDERWAY AND UM, I MEAN WHAT IS THE FOLLOW UP IF THE STUDY INDICATES CERTAIN THINGS AND BE NOT NORMALLY COMP COMPELLED TO TAKE ACTION AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT OR, SO ONCE, IF CERTAIN THINGS ARE IDENTIFIED THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED ON THE CORRIDOR, WE THEN LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS.
IF IT'S SIGNAGE, TYPICALLY SOMETHING THAT VDOT CAN UNDERTAKE PRETTY QUICKLY.
IF IT'S SOMETHING MORE THAT HAS TO DO WITH ROAD CONSTRUCTION ITSELF, THEN IT'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT FUNDING, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST AND WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET THE MONEY, ET CETERA.
AND THEN IT'S FEED OUT AND ADMINISTERING, IT'S THE COUNTY GOOD ADMINISTER.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT HAPPEN WITH THE, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT COME OUT OF IT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO STAY ON TOP OF.
MUCH LIKE THE FAIRGROUND CORRIDOR STUDY THAT WE DID A LOT OF THE SIGNAGE, UH, THROUGH SOME RECENT REZONINGS WE'RE GETTING SOME STRIPING AND SOME SIGNAGE, UM, ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION OUT OF THE STUDY.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION AS WELL IS, IS HAVING SOME DEVELOPERS PUT THINGS IN AS REZONINGS MAY GET APPROVED ON ANY CORRIDOR IS GETTING IMPROVEMENTS DONE THAT WERE RECOMMENDED OUT OF ANY STUDY.
SO THAT'S PART OF THOSE AS WELL.
I JUST SAY COMMUNICATE IN SOME FASHION MOVING FORWARD.
ANYTHING ELSE? SIMILAR CONVERSATION ON
ALRIGHT, I'LL MOVE ON TO THE CDTA AND POTENTIAL BONDING OPPORTUNITY.
UM, I DO WANT TO SEEK SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS AS WELL.
UM, SO THE CBTA IS CONSIDERING A BOND OF UP TO $300 MILLION TO FUND REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AT THE JUNE CBTA ATTACK WITH THE TECHNICAL ADVISOR COMMITTEE MEETING.
UH, BOND ISSUANCE WAS DISCUSSED.
THE ATTACK, UH, WHICH I I I DO SIT ON IS TO CREATE A CALL FOR PROJECTS TO SOLICIT PROJECTS FROM LOCALITIES.
THE CRITERIA FOR THAT PROJECT SELECTION IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED, PREPARED MUCH UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
IF BONDING IS APPROVED BY THE FULL BODY, BY THE CBTA, WE'RE LOOKING IN THE 2025 TIMEFRAME IS AT LEAST THE, THE TIMEFRAME THAT I WAS TOLD IN THATT MEETING IN JUNE.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WITH CBTA AND VARIOUS CLOSED MEETINGS.
SO I I THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE FOR, UH, ON THE YOUTUBE CHANNEL UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, IF BONDING IS ULTIMATELY APPROVED, WE DO HAVE A PROJECT THAT DOES MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONE THAT CHECKS A LOT OF BOXES ON SCORING WELL, BUT IT'S REACH OUT ROAD RECONNECTION UNDER ROUTE 2 88.
WE COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANY BOND OPPORTUNITY AND SEEK FUNDS TO BETTER, UH, SET THAT PROJECT UP FOR SUCCESS OF THE FUTURE.
BUT THE BONDING CONVERSATION HAS SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
HOW MANY YEARS OF THE BOND BEFORE, HOW MUCH OF THE AVAILABLE FUNDING STREAM WOULD WE USE FOR THE BONDING? HOW MUCH WOULD REMAIN FOR FUTURE PROJECTS? AND IF UNABLE TO PAY THE BOND, DOES THAT HAVE ANY IMPLICATIONS ON GOOSE ONES AAA BOND RATING? I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A TOPIC AS WELL, SO JUST KIND OF WANTED TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND, AND SOLICIT MORE QUESTIONS AS FAR AS WHEN AT THE STAFF LEVEL WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BONDING AND THEN I KNOW AT THE FULL BODY LEVEL, MR.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY THERE'S A DECISION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANNA OPEN IT UP TO, TO THE BOARD AT THIS POINT.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, JUST EVERYONE KNOW WHAT CBTA MEANS.
I MORE I LEARN ABOUT IT THE MORE I'M IMPRESSED WITH IT.
AND I THANK YOU FOR BEING ON THAT TECHNICAL ADVISOR COMMITTEE BECAUSE I THINK THAT HAS HELPED GLAND IN THE PAST AND CONTINUE TO DO SOMETHING.
DOES EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT CBTA IS? I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A WONDERFUL MECHANISM FOR FUNDING, UH, PARTICULARLY HELPFUL TO A SMALLER COUNTY LIKE GUCCI ON THAT COMPARED ORIGINALLY AND CHESAPEAKE.
SO COULD YOU, JUST REAL QUICKLY, WHY, WHY DON'T I JUMP IN WITH WHAT I THINK THE QUESTION IN MY HEAD IS THAT I'D LOVE, I HAVE QUESTION TO PUT THIS OTHER TOPIC.
SO LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, RIGHT.
SO CVTA WAS LAUNCHED BECAUSE THERE WERE TWO OTHER AUTHORITIES WITHIN THE STATE THAT WE WERE COMPETING AGAINST RUBY SMART SCALE PROJECTS.
SO IN ORDER TO TO BE MORE COMPETITIVE WITH THE STATE LEVEL FUNDS, UM, EIGHT NEW TAXES WERE PUT IN PLACE.
SO 1% SALES TAX AND 7 CENTS ON EVERY GALLON OF GASOLINE, WHICH TO ME, YOU KNOW, I I'M NOT THRILLED ABOUT NEW TAX, I FIGURED, BUT WE HAVE BENEFITED TO THE TWO OF ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS FOR OUR 2 MILLION THAT WE'VE CONTRIBUTED.
SO I'LL TAKE THE, I'M NOT A FINANCE GUY, BUT I'LL TAKE THAT PAY OFF ANY DAY.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE PROBABLY WON'T SEE MUCH MORE
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BECAUSE THERE'S VERY FEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO HAVE REGIONAL PROJECTS.MOST OF THE THINGS WE TOUCH REGIONALLY ON ARE 2 88, 64 HAVE ALREADY BEEN, THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN FUNDED.
UM, SO RATHER THAN SPEND THE MONEY THAT IS COMING IN WITH THESE REVENUES CT SAYING NOW, HEY, WE NEED TO BORROW MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE NEED MORE MONEY BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE TAXES ARE ENOUGH.
SO THEY'RE WANTING TO BORROW A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY SO THAT WE'LL HAVE TO START INCURRING DEBT PAYMENTS.
AND THAT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THE, SO THOSE PROJECTS WILL TAKE AWAY THE AVAILABLE FUNDS FOR OTHER REGIONAL PROJECTS, BUT AGAIN, BALANCES, PRAGMATICALLY SPEAKING GOODS ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET A LOT OF THOSE FUNDS ANYWAY.
THIS FIRST ROLLED OUT, I GREW THIS SHORT STRAW TO THROUGH GET CBTA.
WE JUST THOUGHT WE'D BE A DONOR COUNTY THE ENTIRE TIME.
UM, AND WE'VE BEEN VERY, THE REGION HAS REALLY SEEN, UM, FIT TO HELP SUPPORT US.
BUT I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, ESPECIALLY THE OTHER SMALLER LOCATIONS, NEW CAMP PALATAN, GOLAND, UM, CHARLES CITY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SEEING THE BENEFIT THAT A RICHMOND IS PUSHING FOR OR CHESTERFIELD'S PUSHING FOR.
CHESTERFIELD WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO EXTEND TO, UH, WHOLE PARKWAY.
SO YOU'RE TALKING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
UH, SO THE QUESTION THAT I'D LIKE TO WALK AWAY WITH IS WHAT DOES THIS BOARD BELIEVE? SHOULD THE BOARD BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS? UH, AND AS ME REPRESENTING YOU ON THAT BOARD, I WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
SO, UM, JUST AGAIN, TO ME THIS IS MORE OF A PHILOSOPHICAL IDEOLOGICAL AND WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY, WE'RE PRETTY TIGHT WITH PURSE STRINGS AROUND HERE AND I THINK WE WE'RE BETTER FOR IT.
SO THAT'S THAT GOOD ENOUGH HISTORY.
AND, AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ROLE AS A-C-B-T-A.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN A MAJOR PART OF IT HELPED.
WOULD WE BE LIABLE FOR THE, IF, IF A BOND IS ISSUED, ARE WE LIABLE IF WE DON'T HAVE A PROJECT THAT IS UNDER THAT $300 MILLION AMOUNT? I, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU TALK TO SOME PEOPLE, SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT.
IT WOULD NOT AFFECT OUR BOND RATING.
I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH MR. PETERSON ABOUT THIS.
I SENT HIM SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS WHEN THIS WAS BEING KICKED AROUND LAST YEAR.
UM, HE DOES MAKE HOW THERE'S OTHERS THAT BELIEVE THAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY, IF WE'RE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING AND IT COMPLETELY GOES SOUTH, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL SHIPS SINK TOGETHER AND WE'RE, WE'RE ON THAT SHIFT.
I'LL POINT OUT FOR INSTANCE, THAT WHEN THE TCSD BOND ISSUANCE WAS FIRST APPROVED, IT'S A REVENUE BOND.
AND SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PAID FROM THE TAX REVENUES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURRED WITHIN THE TCSD, BUT IT ALSO IS BACKED BY A MORAL OBLIGATION OF THE COUNTY.
AND THERE WAS CERTAINLY A TIME WHEN THE, THE DEBT SERVICE WAS GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN ANY TAXES THAT WERE COMING IN FROM THE DISTRICT.
AND THE IDEA OF A MORAL OBLIGATION IS NOT THAT WE DO HAVE TO OPEN UP OUR PAYCHECK AND START PAYING, BUT THE BOARD MAY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC VOTE TO SAY YES OR NO, WE WOULD NOT FUND.
AND I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT A MORAL OBLIGATION AND A REVENUE BOND.
THESE PRESUMABLY WOULD SIMILARLY BE REVENUE BONDS THAT BONDS DESIGNED TO BE FUNDED FROM THE TAXES THAT ARE, THAT ARE GATHERED.
BUT IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME AND I'M NO BOND EXPERT, THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME BACKING BEYOND THE TAXES.
AND THAT FIRST STEP BACKING BEYOND TAXES IS USUALLY IMMORAL OBLIGATION.
A FURTHER STEP WOULD BE AN ACTUAL FISCAL OBLIGATION.
AND I, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT GO TO THAT IN THE BOND CASES I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A HUGE ALSO IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, DOES THIS THREATEN AT ALL THIS THE TAX RATE? WELL, IF, IF, YEAH, IF YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO PAY IT, WHICH IS BEYOND MORAL OBLIGATIONS ON AN ACTUAL FISCAL OBLIGATION, THEN POTENTIALLY YES, IN ORDER TO MEET A NEED, WE'D HAVE TO FIND A FEDERAL ISSUE SOMEWHERE.
BUT I, AGAIN, I CAN'T SAY THAT IT'S GONNA GET TO A FISCAL OBLIGATION AND I KNOW NOTHING FROM WHAT THE C BT IS KIND PROPOS JUST A GENERAL ANSWER ABOUT REVENUE BONDS AND HOW I'VE SEEN THEM STRUCTURED.
I JUST THINK IT'S MERIT AND REGIONAL COOPERATION.
OBVIOUSLY AS A RESULT OF OUR COOPERATING WITH THE SENIOR D, WE HAVE BEEN TREMENDOUSLY MM-HMM,
MY, MY UNDERSTANDING, IF THE CBTA
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CHOOSES TO ISSUE THE BOND WE ALONG FOR THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A FIVE FOUR VOTE AND HE WILL AFFORD NO, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE PART OF THE CBTA STILL HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT.SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA BE CBTA EXCEPT FOR THE BONDS IS WE'RE GONNA BE COMMITTED.
AND AGAIN, TO ITERATE YOUR COMMENT, THE REGIONALISM HAS BEEN HUGELY BENEFICIAL.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT MAY BE A LITTLE DISCRETIONARY STUFF.
HOW ALL THOSE LET US PARTICIPATE SO FORTH.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF US BORROWING MONEY POTENTIALLY PAY FOR SOMEBODY ELSE'S ROADS.
I THINK IT'S A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF JUST LIABILITY.
BECAUSE IF IT'S PRO LIABILITY, THEN THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT STORY.
I MEAN, I, IF THEY CAN PAY, IF THEY PAY, I MEAN, I JUST, THAT'S IT'S, AND ADDITIONALLY TOO, I THINK WHAT THE PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT $300 MILLION IN THE SPACE LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S NOT NEARLY THE SCALE THAT MOST CITIZENS BELIEVE, BUT IT COULD BE A GATEWAY DRUG.
DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MUCH IT'S NOT BACK HOUSE? UM, BUT I, I DO KNOW THAT THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE DISCUSSING THE FULL AUTHORITY, BUT TAPPING THE REVENUE TO 10% TO, TO PULL A BOND.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT I'VE HEARD.
I'VE NOT HEARD A DIFFERENT ONE.
UM, BUT NOT MR. YOUR POINT IS THAT JUST THE CAMEL'S NOSE AND THEN OFF THE GO CORRECT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, I'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO TO KIND OF REALLY UNDERSTAND THE LIABILITY THAT WE WOULD HAVE, BUT IN GENERAL, THE SUPPORTING OUR PARTNERS IN THE REGION IS, IS A GOOD THING.
I WOULD SAY I WOULD, AS LONG AS WE DON'T, I DON'T LIKE CHECK, UH, BECAME PAY
SHOULD THE LIABILITIES BE UNDERSTOOD AND SHOULD THE JUSTIFICATION BE ADEQUATE? WE ARE A WILLING PARTNER.
I I MEAN I, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A, 'CAUSE I GO BACK TO CONSIDERING WE HAVEN'T BEEN PUSHED FOR GIVE US, GIVE US A INDICATION, GIVE US THIS YET.
ANYBODY WHO'S GOT BANKING BACKGROUND AND YOU CO-SIGN A LOAN AND THE OTHER GUYS CAN'T PAY, THEY DON'T CARE.
OH, IF YOU CAN, THEY'RE COMING FOR YOU.
WHOEVER CAN PAY KEEP THIS POCKET.
THAT, THAT'S THE, UM, WORKSHOP OPEN UP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS BEFORE I OPEN IT FOR SUSAN? COMMENTS ASK YOU HAVE, YEAH.
YOU, YOU SAID THE THREE CHOPPED TUNNEL.
WHAT I WAS TO CALL IT, UM, WAS DECIDED TO BE A GOOD ONE BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT SCORE WELL ANYWHERE ELSE.
BUT WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE THAT REGARDLESS OF HOW IT'S SCORED FOR SMART SCALE STILL MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE'D RATHER DO, SUCH AS ANOTHER INTERCHANGE ON 2 88 WEST GREEN OR SOMETHING THAT ALSO WOULD HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR US TO, SO I'M STILL, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M, I'M NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH ON THE THREE CHOPPED TUNNEL TO GET EXCITED BY.
IT'S LIKE WHY WOULD WE WANT A TIE ONE TO THREE CHILD? AND, AND THERE MAY BE GREAT REASONS, I JUST DON'T KNOW YET.
BUT I CAN THINK OF OTHER THINGS SUCH AS AN INTERCHANGE AT 2 88 IN WEST CREEK AND IT'S LIKE, OH, I GET THAT.
UM, SO HOW, HOW IT SAID STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND VERSUS RECOMMENDING WHAT, WHAT WAS NUMBER TWO? WHAT WAS NUMBER THREE? WHAT WAS NUMBER FOUR LIKE THIS? SO I'LL START OFF BY SAYING THE, THE CRITERIA FOR PROJECTS ELECTION WILL INCLUDE NUMBERS TO BE DETERMINED, BUT IT WOULD BE A HIGH NUMBER OF FOUR FOR PROJECT COST PROJECTS OVER X DOLLARS WILL BE ONLY, WILL BE THE ONLY PROJECTS CONSIDERED.
THEY DON'T WANT TO EAT UP $300 MILLION, INVEST IN NUMBER BONDED WITH A BUNCH OF 10 MILLION PROJECTS THEY WANT.
THE, THE PURPOSE THAT I'VE BEEN AND HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT TAC IS LARGE SCALE REGIONAL PROJECTS FOR WHILE THOSE CBTS ENTERTAINING BONDING OUTBUILDING.
SO WITH THAT, THE FLOOR THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE ATTACK IN JUNE WAS APPROXIMATELY 30 MILLION.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST CRITERIA THAT I HAD TO GO THROUGH.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE MANY PROJECTS THAT COST OVER 30, $35 MILLION.
UM, THE SOUTHBOUND PARTIAL SOLAR RUNNING LANE PROJECT THAT WE'RE SEEKING THROUGH SMART SCALE CURRENTLY IS 52 TO 57 MILLION
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QUALIFY.THE FREE JOB ROAD CONNECTION IS IN THAT 40 TO 50 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS RANGE.
BUT TIME ON OUR FREEWAY, IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CHEAP.
I IT IS REFERRED TO AS THE THREE CHILD BROKER CONNECTION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE, I'M WORKING ON, I DO.
SO THAT'S, THERE WILL BE A LARGE COST ASSOCIATED WITH ANY CONSTRUCTION TUNNELING ABOUT 2 88.
UM, WE HAVE THE ACTUAL INTERCHANGE, WHICH IS FUNDED.
UH, IT'S TO THE TUNE OF 75, 70 $6 MILLION.
AND JUST THE INTERCHANGE WHERE PLEASE, UH, ACTUALLY, SO I'M JUST RUNNING THROUGH THE YES.
I'M JUST RUNNING THROUGH THE BIG TICKET, THE VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECTS.
OTHER THAN THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LARGE POOL OF EXPENSIVE PROJECTS.
YOU MENTIONED A POTENTIAL INTERCHANGE AT 2 88 BETWEEN
I WON'T FLIP BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT WEST CREEK AREA ACCESS PLAN ULTIMATELY DETERMINING.
DO WE STILL NEED THAT? UM, I, IF THE BOND IS ISSUED IN 2025, WE MAY NOT HAVE THAT ANSWER.
BY THE TIME WE, THE CALL FOR PROJECTS IS, IS PUT OUT.
SO LOOKING THROUGH EVERYTHING, THE HARD SHOULDER RUNNING LINE HAS A VERY HIGH BENEFIT BUT ALSO A VERY HIGH COST FOR SMART SCALE, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY WHY IT'S NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL TO DATE.
WE HOPE THIS DIFFERENT THIS YEAR AS ALWAYS, BUT IT'S GOT A VERY HIGH COST.
AND THIS CAREER PROJECT, IT MAKES LIST, IT'S NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED AS AN OFFICIAL PROJECT AT, UH,
THAT MEANS HE'LL BE, WELL THAT MEANS HE'LL BE WITH US FOREVER.
SO
SO WENT THROUGH THE PARTIAL RING IS A VERY HIGH BENEFIT.
THERE'S A SISTER PROJECT ALREADY UNDERWAY.
SO I THINK THERE'S OTHER AVENUES TO GET FUNDING FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, GIVEN IT'S HIGH BENEFIT, THE FREE CHOP ROAD TUNNEL OR RECONNECTION.
THE ROAD CURRENTLY SERVES I THINK FOUR FIVE HOMES TODAY.
IT'S A DEAD END ROAD AT 2 88 WITH A CUL-DE-SAC.
IT'S ONLY SPECULATIVE PROJECT BENEFIT THAT YOU WOULD GET BY OPENING UP ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE INTENT BEHIND THAT PROJECT IS TO OPEN UP THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA THERE.
UM, AND THAT AREA IS BEHIND WISE CHOICE, BEHIND WISE CHOICE NORTH OF BRIDGE.
OUT BETWEEN THAT AND 64, THERE'S SOME CONGESTION MANAGEMENT, THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL REROUTING OF TRAFFIC ON FROM BROAD STREET ONTO FREE CHOPS TO GET TO THE ACCIDENT FOR INTERCHANGE.
BUT THAT BENEFIT'S ALSO UNKNOWN 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A SHORTCUT FOR FOLKS TO AVOID THE LIGHT OF ASH ROAD AT THE WELLS FARGO.
SO THE, THE BENEFITS ARE KIND OF SPECULATIVE.
SO BECAUSE IT WON'T SCORE WELL, WE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COST BENEFITS ALWAYS A FRACTION.
IF WE LOWER THE DENOMINATOR AND BRING THAT COST WAY DOWN, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BETTER SUCCESS WITH THE LOW BENEFIT GETTING FUNDED ELSEWHERE.
SO PRAGMATICALLY SPEAKING, I HAVE THIS SPIDEY SENSE THAT THAT $300 ALREADY SPENT THE 3 MILLION.
LIKE, SO I'M LIKE, I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW MUCH AN EXERCISE WE WANNA GO THROUGH OR SOMETHING, BUT LIKE THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, WAIT, WAIT, NOT THAT GIVE US A PROJECT POSSIBLY VERTICAL SORT OF LIKE THEY GOTTA HANDLE THESE TWO SO THEY CAN FIND
GO BACK TO THE SLIDE ON THE, UH, CRITERIA.
ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL JUST POINT THIS SETUP UP IS, UH,
NO, 30 SECONDS AHEAD, 30 SECONDS AGO AHEAD.
UM, THEY'LL COME BACK TO YOU ALL THAT.
UH, THAT 10% THAT WOULD BE GREATER THAN THE PROJECT READINESS.
CORRECT? I THINK UNLESS WE, I THINK WE'RE GONNA RETOOL THAT CATEGORY AND, AND IF I WAS A BETTMAN, I THINK THE PROJECT READINESS AND COST THE BECK ARE LIKELY TO BE CONFINED INTO SOME OVERALL READINESS CATEGORY AND BENEFIT CATEGORY.
I I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO KNOW WHERE I GOING? THERE WE GO.
UM, YOU USED A PHRASE THAT I THINK CAN NEVER REPEAT.
NOW IT'S, THIS RANKING IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE NEXT PROJECT THAT COMES INTO QUEUE OR SOME, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
REMIND, REMIND ME WHAT, HOW YOU PHRASE THE PHRASE I USE FREQUENTLY, WHICH MAYBE YOU REFERRING TO AS WE ALWAYS ONE LAND USE CASE AWAY FROM IT.
I I WOULD SAY THE SAME APPLIES TO TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AND, AND JUST I'M GLAD I I BRING IT UP AGAIN BECAUSE, AND I'M GLAD MR. WINFORD VOTES THIS SLIDE THAT, THAT DEMONSTRATES THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS SLIDE.
THAT MUCH MORE IS IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOME, THIS MIGHT BE PERFECT, BUT SOME SCALE
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WE CAN LIVE WITH THAT HELPS US IN OUR RANKING JUDGMENT.HOWEVER WE SAY THAT GETS US, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MEANS WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THIS BIG POOL AND REEVALUATE THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE THE NEXT PROJECT CAME UP.
I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE THE PART OF OUR ONGOING, BUT WE'LL BE BETTER PREPARED BECAUSE WE CAN SAY THIS IS KIND OF IN THIS VERY THOROUGH ANALYSIS.
THIS IS WHERE IT THUMB UP, THIS HELPS US.
SO MORE, I THINK I SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT GIVES THAT MUCH MORE PRE TO THIS, UH, STUDY THAT'S BEING DONE.
HOW FAR BACK CAN WE GET WITH QUESTIONS? WHOLE 10 MINUTES, THE WHOLE PRESENT
THERE, THERE'S A CONVERSATION OF TAKING THAT ENTIRE SONG YES.
AND PUTTING IT TOWARDS THE SIDEWALKS, WHICH THEN WOULD ZERO THAT OUT.
BUT PROPER COULD REPLENISH THAT.
HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GET BACK TO 932 OR 906? SORRY.
SO I DON'T HAVE THE CURRENT TOTAL AMOUNT, BUT END PROFFERS ARE REPLENISHED QUITE FREQUENTLY AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE, TODAY THERE EXISTS SOME THAT WOULD, YOU COULD REPLENISH THAT BEFORE ACTION IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE VERY QUICKLY.
UM, RIGHT NOW EASTERN TRAILS IS KIND OF AN HOLY PATTERN OF PERPETUAL HOLDING PATTERN.
SO I THINK IF, IF IT STILL NEEDED TO BE A PRIORITY, THAT $960,000 COULD BE BACKFILL PRETTY, PRETTY QUICKLY.
AS CHARLIE KNOWS, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF COUNTY SERVICES IN EASTERN AVENUE.
WE DON'T HAVE A BAR, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A HORSESHOE THERE.
SO I'M A LITTLE SEE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT MONDAY AND AND MOVE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S STILL WARRANTED.
ARE WE LIKE SAYING ABANDONED SHIP, IT'S, WE'RE NEVER GONNA DO THE EAST END TRAILS OR THERE WOULD BE RESOURCES I HERE THERE COULD BE RESOURCES AND THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW.
IT'S BEEN A PROJECT ABOUT 2015 POINT 17 TIMEFRAME WHEN IT CAME AROUND, UH, FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT.
IT'S A TRAIL SYSTEM CONNECT, BROAD STREET, ROUTE SIX ALONG TUCK OAK CREEK, UH, AND THE WETLANDS WITH UH,
UM, WE RAN INTO SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, REGARDING EASEMENTS, RIGHTS OF WAY ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD WITH LIABILITY WITH THE TRAIL BEING LOCATOR ON THE PROPERTY WAS A BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.
ULTIMATELY THOSE CONVERSATIONS DIDN'T AMOUNT TO ANY AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE EASEMENTS ANNUAL RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT'S, THE DESIGN WAS VERY MUCH FAR ALONG.
BUT THE PROPERTY ACQUISITION WAS WHERE WE HAD, SO WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE CONVERSATION WAS HELD? I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK.
IT'S BEEN WITHIN THE LAST 12 MONTHS, BUT ON THE LATTER HALF OF THAT, SO NINE OR SEVEN MONTHS AGO.
I KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN KICKING THIS CAN EITHER WE PUNTED FOREVER OR WE DO THE DAY ON TRAIL
YOU TAKE IT OFF THE LIST AND JUST SAID, WE ALREADY WE GONNA DO IT.
WHICH I OPTION OR, OR GET SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
SO THE GOAL, THE, THE INTENT OF IT WAS, IS TO BE MAINTAINED BY US, PARTS OF IT.
SO WE CAN'T USE JUST THE SEWER LINE IF WE'RE USING A LARGE PORTION OF THAT, THAT LOOKS PLAN, THE CURRENT EASEMENTS DON'T ALLOW FOR OTHER FACILITIES.
SO WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER EASEMENT ON TOP OF THAT SEWER EASEMENT.
UM, PLUS A LARGE PORTION OF THE TRAILS TO AVOID THE FLOOD PLAIN IN CERTAIN CONSERVATION AREAS HAS TO GO AROUND THE SEWER EASEMENT AND, AND BE OUTSIDE THE SEWER EASEMENT.
SO IT'S ENCUMBERING ADDITIONAL LANDS THAT MAYBE WEREN'T DISCUSSED ORIGINALLY WITH THE PROPERTY.
IS IS THERE AN, I MEAN, JUST OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING WARRANTED? I MEAN IF IF NOBODY WANTS TO PURSUE IT, THEN GOSH, YOU KNOW, WHY HAVE STAFF TAKE UP TIME MONITORING IT? BUT IN THEORY IT MAKES SENSE TO ME, PARTICULARLY SINCE IT'S SOMEWHAT PIGGYBACKING THE SEWER LINE.
UM, SO TO GET A TWO FOR THERE, YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE, WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION DO TO WALK ALONGSIDE THE SEWER LINE.
EVEN IF WE'RE NOT FIXING IT, JUST ENJOY IT.
SO IT IT, CHARLIE, I MEAN WELL, I MEAN I THINK IT'S A WARRANT BUT IT FALLS UNDER THAT YOU DEAL AND I DON'T, I JUST DON'T, WITH THE PRIVATE LAND OWNERSHIP ISSUES THAT COME ABOUT WITH THE EASEMENTS, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT GUP COUNTY FACES VERY OFTEN IS HOW DO WE ADDRESS THESE PUBLIC NEEDS.
DR USED TO CALL IT STRATEGIC ABANDONMENT.
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I MEAN IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD ABANDON.I MEAN WE ALL MAKE A DETERMINATION.
INSTEAD OF FUNDING IT AND NOT DOING ANYTHING AND PULLING FUNDING AWAY AND FUNDING IT'S SORT OF A BOOK.
I MEAN SURVIVAL OR NOT, WHICH WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT TODAY.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE GENESIS SETTLEMENT TO BEGIN WITH.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE CRITERIA THAT CAUSED IT TO BE ESTABLISHED? THE GRANT PLACE, YOU KNOW.
A GRANT THAT, YEAH, ACTUALLY SINCE I WAS HERE IN 2017 THAT THE PROJECT CAME FIRST.
WELL I DO THINK I, I AGREE WITH MR. LYLE.
I GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK, FOLKS THAT LIVE IN EAST PART OF THE COUNTY THAT YOU WON'T DO ANYTHING BUT ON THE RIGHT FOR EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE THERE IS NOTHING HERE FOR, I DON'T THINK THEY MAY PAY A OF TAXES AT THINK IT'S A GREAT QUALITY OF LIFE.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S MY REACTION.
BUT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO MAKE WITH THAT.
COULD WE ADD TO MAYBE THAT'S UPCOMING TWO, JUST BECAUSE I MANAGED BEST WITH DEADLINES.
I MEAN, COULD WE MAKE, THIS IS JULY NOW, OCTOBER 1ST.
CAN WE DO A STAKE IN IT OR, OR PURSUE IT DECISION? CAN WE GO BACK? WE DO A WHITE PAPER BASICALLY.
YOU NEED TO CHARACTERIZE WHAT THE ISSUE ISSUE IS.
BUT IN TERMS OF DOING IT BY OCTOBER, WE DO THAT SOONER THAN THAT.
THAT'S ONE OF THOSE, PART OF THAT'S THE HISTORICAL NARRATIVE RIGHT? IN THE BACKGROUND.
AND PART OF IT'S THE OPPOSITE JUSTIFICATION AND THE WARRANTS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AS AUSTIN SAID HERE, THAT LANGUAGE SAYS PROPERTIES CAN BE USED.
AND THE REALITY IS THAT THERE ARE ALREADY SOME PROPERTIES AVAILABLE THAT WOULD REPLENISH IT.
TODAY, WE WANT FORWARD WITH IT.
SO I'M NOT LOOKING TO MAKE WORK FOR STAFF, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO YOU NOW, IF, IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, LET'S GET RID OF IT.
IF IT DOES, LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN.
NO, SUBSTANTIAL WAS A GRANT, AND I RECALL THE GRANT WAS ONLY $250,000 AND FEEDBACK.
I WAS GONNA SAY, IT'S LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TAKES SOMETHING THAT'S DESIGNATED AND SPEND FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
THE 950,000 IS, WAS MATCHED FOR THAT 250,000 PLUS ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION FEES.
AND TOTAL ESTIMATE FOR THIS WAS APPROXIMATELY 1.5 MILLION.
WHAT YEAR? 1.5 MILLION IN WHAT YEAR?
SO IT'S A THREE POINT LOOKING OUT.
SO IF WE WERE TO RE-LOOK AT THAT ESTIMATE, THAT WOULD MAY BE DIFFERENT.
AUSTIN, WAS THAT ONLY PHASE ONE THOUGH? THAT WAS PHASE ONE, WHICH WAS ONLY A MILE AND A HALF YEAH.
OF THE TRAIL THAT WAS TO RUN FROM THE EMERGENCY CENTER THAT, OR THE FORMER HCA EMERGENCY CENTER.
THE ST OF TUCK ABOUT CREEK PARKWAY, UM, THROUGH THE DUCKS, UNLIMITED EASEMENT THROUGH THE FLOODPLAIN SEWER LINE AND COMING DOWN TO HARWOOD, THAT WAS GONNA BE THE, MADE A CONCRETE SIDEWALK AND DO IT FASTER AND MORE EXPENSIVE.
REALLY? IT WAS 10 FOOT OF ASPH.
BECAUSE WE ASKED AS WELL, BECAUSE WE ASKED FOR FEDERAL DOLLARS AND WE GONNA DIP IT INTO SOME OF THE HISTORY.
UM, BECAUSE WE ASKED FOR SOME FEDERAL DOLLARS, IT HAD TO MEET ALL ADA A REQUIREMENTS, SO THEREFORE HARD SURFACED WITH, UM, AND SO ON BETTER.
BUT THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS CRUSHING ONE ON THE UTILITY EASEMENTS.
TO WHAT EXTENT ARE SOME OF THE OLD PLANS GONNA OPEN THAT AREA UP? AND BY THE WAY, I WAS DELAYED THE SEA.
IT'S, I COULD AN ACTIVE DROVE IN THAT OTHER DAY, THOSE PARKING LOT FULL.
AND THE PRIVATE PRACTICE OPERATING AREA, UH, THE WEST CREEK AREA ACCESS PLAN, WHICH IS THIS ONE'S, UH, IS LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY THAT AREA WITHIN THAT SITE.
SO WE'LL SEE WHAT ROADS, AGAIN, WE HAVE CERTAIN MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLANS ALREADY OR PLANNED ROADS IN THAT AREA, THE WEST GREEN AREA FROM, YOU KNOW, ROUTE SIX ABROAD.
AND, UM, DO WE GET INTO THE COUNTY LINE? BUT ARE THEY ENOUGH? DO WE NEED MORE? DID THEY NEED, DO WE NEED THE INTERCHANGE THAT'S BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY INTEGRATING WITH SIS? YES.
IT'LL BE INTEGRATED WITH S THE AREAS OVERLAP ONLY WITH THE INTERCHANGE WITH WE PARKWAY.
OTHER THAN THAT, THE AREA ARE SEPARATE, BUT THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL CERTAINLY SPEAK TO ONE ANOTHER.
WE, THE LAST THING WE WANTED TO, TO STAFF IT FROM THE COUNTY IS TO PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT'S DIRECT CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER STUDY.
ANY, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL SUPERVISORS, THE BOARD QUESTIONS OF OKAY.
WITH THAT, I WILL, UH, OPEN UP DECISION COMMENT, HEARING ROUGH ROUGHLY THREE MINUTES.
I I WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE, UH, FORMAL, UH, RULES, BUT WHERE YOU LIKE SMALL AUDIENCE, BUT ALSO IMPORTANT TO GET THROUGH
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THE SENATE COURT.DO WE NEED ADDRESSES? YEAH, IT'S JUST PUBLIC MEETING.
SO PROTOCOL IN SOME LINDA MOORE 2164 PROFIT ROAD MANNEQUIN SEVEN IN DISTRICT FOUR,
I KNOW THERE'S OTHER PROFIT ROADS, BUT THE ONE I LIVE ON IS IN DISTRICT FOUR.
UH, I AM WITH A GROUP THAT JUST BEGAN IN DECEMBER, UH, OF, UH, 11TH.
UM, OUR GROUP IS TRYING TO FIND PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS TO THE ISSUE.
WE WERE, UH, WE ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO INCREASE THE, UM, PRIORITY LIST FOR ROCKVILLE ROAD.
UM, MOST OF US HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE 2015 TO UNDERSTAND THE COMP PLAN VERY WELL AND, AND LIVED THROUGH MR. WILKIN'S, UM, ACQUISITION.
AND WE SUCCESSFULLY GOT TUCKAHOE BRIDGE TO COMPLY WITH THE COMP PLAN, WHICH WAS NOT AS EASY AS ANYBODY WOULD THINK.
THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS MANNEQUIN ROADSIDE, UH, ROAD IS, IS PRETTY DECENT BEYOND DECENT, UM, WHERE IT HAS A HAS ENOUGH ROOM FOR YOU TO GET FIVE, BUT ROCKVILLE ROAD IS A DIFFERENT BEAST.
OKAY? IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT BEAST.
THEY KNEW THAT COMING IN, THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE THAT WAY.
THERE'S PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON ROCKVILLE ROAD, GO TO CHURCH WITH ME.
THEY'VE BEEN HERE IN THE COUNTY ALL THEIR LIVES.
THEIR FAMILIES HAVE BEEN HERE.
THEY SEE ALL THE, ALL THE CROSSES THAT ARE ON THAT ROAD THAT REPRESENTS A FAMILY MEMBER.
OKAY? THEIR BROTHERS, THEIR SISTERS, THEIR CHILDREN.
UM, THE, THE PROBLEM IS NOT EXACTLY WITH THE SPEED AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD THINK.
IT'S LINE OF SIGHT, OKAY? I DON'T KNOW HOW WE THEY MISSED IT, BUT, UM, WHEN THE FIRE AND RESCUE TELLS ME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH GETTING IN AND OUT OF THERE, WE NEED TO LISTEN.
UM, THAT, THAT WE KNEW THERE WAS A PROBLEM.
WE HAVE WORKED, YOU KNOW, WITH IT.
AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING ABSOLUTELY FRUSTRATED, BEYOND FRUSTRATED, ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON ROCKVILLE ROAD.
AND I DON'T AGREE THAT IT'S, IT'S JUST THE HANOVER PEOPLE WHO ARE ACCESSING THAT ROAD.
THERE'S A LOT MORE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ARE COMING FROM GLAND, YOU KNOW.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE WORKING WITH MAKING SURE THAT VO GIVES US THE ACTUAL, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, SPECS FOR THAT.
SO WE DON'T RUN INTO FINDING OUT, OOPS, WE FIND OUT THAT IT DOESN'T MEET THE, THE LINE SITE REQUIREMENTS AND GET INTO A CATCH 22 WHERE EVERYBODY IS, UH, IT'S NOT MY FAULT, IT'S NOT MY FAULT.
I REALLY DO NOT THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON ROCKFIELD ROAD TO, TO KEEP ON HAVING THEIR, UM, LIVELIHOOD CHALLENGED, YOU KNOW, ON A DAILY BASIS.
THOSE PEOPLE DON'T DESERVE TO, TO HAVE THAT.
UM, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGH FIELD, MOVING IN WITH A, UM, THEY, THEY'VE TAPED IT DOWN TO 137 USING TUCKAHOE BRIDGES ENTRANCE TO GET IN THERE.
THOSE 49 PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THEIR, THEIR, UH, ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE USED IN THAT WAY.
THEY, THEY WERE TOLD IT'S GONNA BE 49
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HOMES USING THAT ENTRANCE.SO WE NEED TO PUT PUBLIC SAFETY FIRST.
UM, IN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ONLY, UH, ASSIGN A 30% RATING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT, UH, THAT SHOULD BE WHERE WE'RE AT.
WHERE IF, IF THE ROAD IS NOT SAFE FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO GET AN ANSWER, THE CALL, THERE'S A REAL PROBLEM.
THEY'VE BEEN HAPPENING ALL THIS TIME.
AND WHEN WE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A SIGN, SAYING NO LEFT HAND TURNS, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE HAVEN'T EVEN MOVED IN THERE YET.
AND WE'RE HAVING ALL THESE LEVEL OF ACCIDENTS.
I KNOW MY THREE MINUTES IS UP.
I WILL, UM, I DO, UH, APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING IN FOR THE STUDY.
UM, AS FAR AS COMMUNICATING WITH THE CITIZENS, THERE ARE MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO GET ON, UH, TO PASS THIS WORD ON.
UM, I BELONG TO SEVERAL GROUPS THAT CIRCULATE INFORMATION ABOUT EVERYTHING.
UH, SO, UH, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME.
I'LL CUT AND PASTE AND I'LL GET IT OUT.
YES, MS. UM, MARGARET LEVIT, 1736 BEN HILL CIRCLE.
SINCE MOVING TO VIEW TWO IN 2015, I HAVE TAKEN AN ACTIVE INTEREST IN MY COMMUNITY.
I STRONGLY VOICED MY OPPOSITION TO PROJECT ROCKY AND THE 1,851 TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT WOULD CLOG ASHLAND ROAD DAILY.
I ADVOCATED AGAINST CRESCENT COMMUNITIES, NOT BECAUSE I'M OPPOSED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RATHER BECAUSE THE TIA IGNORED THE ANTICIPATED 1,851 TRACTOR TRAILERS ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPROVAL OF PROJECT ROCKY.
ADDITIONALLY, THE COUNTY WAS QUICK TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS TO TRANSPORTATION STANDARDS AS IT PERTAINS TO DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO ENTRANCES TO THE PARCEL, AS WELL AS FOR A TAPER RATHER THAN A TURN LANE INTO THE PARCEL.
BY DEFINITION, THIS WILL IMPEDE TRAFFIC FLOW AND WILL MOST CERTAINLY RESULT IN ACCIDENTS.
WHAT BRINGS ME HERE TODAY IS THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF AN ALREADY APPROVED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TUCKAHOE BRIDGE NORTH AND THE ENTRANCE OFF ROCKVILLE ROAD.
THERE IS NO DOUBT THERE WILL BE ACCIDENTS GIVEN THE DESIGN OF THE ENTRANCE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, ROCKVILLE ROAD IS A WINDING HILLY TWO LANE ROAD WITH A SPEED LIMIT OF 45 MILES PER HOUR.
THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SERIOUS EVEN FATAL ACCIDENTS ALONG THIS ROAD.
I ASK IF THIS AREA WAS PROPERLY STUDIED, HOW DO YOU GET TO ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION AND HAVE SUCH A DANGEROUS SITUATION? I HEARD FROM STAFF THAT EO IS REACTIVE, NOT PROACTIVE.
THIS IS SOMETHING I CANNOT ACCEPT.
LEADERSHIP SHOULD INSIST FROM STAFF OBJECTIVE INFORMATION FROM WHICH THEY CAN ASSESS THE PROS AND CONS OF AN APPLICATION AND CAN EXTRAPOLATE HOW AN APPLICATION WILL BE IMPLEMENTED RATHER THAN ACCEPTING.
SO-CALLED FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN SKEWED TO A PARTICULAR RESULT, AS WITH PROJECT ROCKY AND PRESENT COMMUNITIES.
IN VIEWING THE RETREAT HELD EARLIER THIS YEAR, SAFETY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS OF GLAND WERE ESPOUSED TO BE PRIORITIES OF THE COUNTY.
WHILE WORDS MATTER, I'M MORE INCLINED TO FOCUS ON ACTIONS.
SO I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO ONE, MAKE REASSESSING THE TUCKAHOE BRIDGE NORTH ENTRANCE OFF ROCK RAILROAD, A TOP PRIORITY AND TWO, TO RECONSIDER REMOVING AND RELAXING ZONING ORDINANCES WHEN I WOULD ARGUE THEY ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER AS THE COUNTY IS POSTURED FOR GROWTH.
VINCE LUM, 2 0 5 2 MAINES ROAD, MAINES, VIRGINIA.
UM, GENTLEMAN, HONORABLE ELECTED MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR AUSTIN COUNCIL SECRETARY.
I, UH, I WAS NOT INTENDING TO SPEAK ON THE CBTP UH, BOND OFFERING, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TAKE A VERY STRONG
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LOOK AT THAT.ANY TYPE OF, UH, OBLIGATION THAT MIGHT RESULT IN, 'CAUSE IT WILL DEFINITELY AFFECT A BOND RATING.
AND YOU CAN GO INTO THE CRITERIA IT'S USED FOR THAT, BUT AT LEAST ONE OF THE THREE, IF NOT ALL, THREE OF THREE, THAT IS AN ISSUE POTENTIALLY DEPENDING UPON THE CONSTRAINTS OF WHAT IS OFFERED IN THOSE BONDS.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE STATE INTERCEPT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IS PART OF, THAT WAS PART OF THE TUCKO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT AS A, UH, MINOR EXAMPLE BEYOND THE MORAL OBLIGATION.
AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM FOR THIS COUNTY, NOT FROM A BOND RATING STANDPOINT, LET ALONE, UH, ONLY, BUT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED TO THE REVENUE OF THIS COUNTY.
IT WOULD'VE GONE, UH, INTO FUNDING THINGS THAT WERE BEING FUNDED BY THAT TIME IN THE COMMONWEALTH.
I'LL SUGGEST IT, UM, AS, AS BROUGHT UP A SLIPPERY SLOPE, OR PERHAPS EVEN WORSE, TO GET ENGAGED IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITHOUT VERY CLOSE SCRUTINY OF IT.
AND, UM, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER BOND ISSUANCES AROUND, UH, THE OTHER PLAYERS WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THREE CFRS.
IF YOU LOOK AT AN EIGHT CFR, IT'S NOT BROUGHT IN ON TIME.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A COMPONENT OF THIS.
UH, SECOND THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS, UH, UH, THE CONCEPT OF DATA-DRIVEN DECISIONS.
AND I THINK, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, PROBABLY ONE OF THE SAFEST TRANSPORTATIONS INDUSTRIES OUT THERE, IT'S THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY.
AIRLINE INDUSTRY RECEIVES TERABYTES OF DATA FROM EVERY FLIGHT THAT ALL 10,000 EVERY DAY IN THE AIRLINE BUSINESS.
THAT SAME PRINCIPLE SHOULD BE APPLIED HERE.
UH, WHERE WE HAVE DISCREET, UH, TIAS AND OTHER TYPES OF STUDIES, WE SHOULD HAVE ONLINE REALTIME INFORMATION'S PROVIDED, NOT ONLY TO STAFF, BECAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT FOR, UH, SUBMITTALS AND OTHER TYPES OF APPROACHES TO, UH, VDOT, BUT ALSO FOR THE CITIZENS.
SO CITIZENS ARE AWARE OF WHAT THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC CONDITIONS ARE.
AND FULL DISCLOSURE, I'VE BEEN, UH, AS ONE WELL KNOW, UH, FOLLOWING FAIR GROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE AND, UH, THE ACCIDENT RATE LAST YEAR ACTUALLY WENT DOWN.
AND PART OF THAT IS DUE TO THE TRAFFIC.
IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SAFER BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS TO DRIVE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER.
SO, UH, THE NUMBERS ARE, I'LL SUGGEST WAY ABOVE WHAT WAS PROJECTED BY VDOT, BUT THE ACCIDENT RATE IS FAR LOWER THAN, UH, STATISTICALLY THAN, THAN WHAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
AND THE LAST THING, UH, UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO A MUSIC EVENT, UH, TONIGHT, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE AT THE MEETING, BUT I WILL SUGGEST THAT YOU STRONGLY, UH, VIEW WHAT IS PROPOSED IN TERMS OF CHANGE OF ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
I'VE JUST LOST MY WHOLE SCREEN.
UH, BUT THAT ORDINANCE, UH, HAS A PRONOUNCED EFFECT ON THE SAFETY OF THIS COUNTY.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TURN LANES OR ANYTHING ELSE, I THINK IT'S GETTING LESS RESTRICTIVE AND I, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE COUNTY BEING MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT VDOT IS.
AND, UH, IN ENABLING THE SUPERVISORS YOU ALL TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BASED ON THE PROCESS OF WAVERING.
AND I THINK WE HAVE SOME VERY GOOD DEVELOPERS IN THIS COUNTY, UM, THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND CAN WORK WITH STAFF.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD JUST FALL BACK THE VDOT STANDARDS SINCE WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BY THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, LOUISE THOMPSON, 1930
UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING FORD'S DOING.
YOU GUYS ARE DOING A TREMENDOUS JOB.
STAFF IS DOING A VERY GOOD JOB, AND I APPRECIATE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP THAT I'VE, AS A CITIZEN, NOT AN ENGINEER, NOT A REAL PROFESSIONAL, HAVE ASKED THESE QUESTIONS.
AND THE STAFF HAS BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT, UM, ANSWERING THAT.
UM, I, AS A CITIZEN AND, AND WE ARE INVOLVED IN CONSTRUCTION, SO WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF, A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE, BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE I'M SO UNEDUCATED IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS AND HOW TO FIND OUT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS CHANGING AND WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND MS. MOORE IS EXTREMELY ACTIVE AND I THINK PEOPLE TEND TO GET ACTIVE WHEN IT'S IN THEIR BACKYARD AND THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
BUT FOR A CITIZEN WHO DOES WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND OUT, EVEN TO LOOK AT CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE COMING UP, WHICH I THINK MAY BE ON YOUR MEETING TONIGHT.
I'M SCRAMBLING LIKE CRAZY TRYING TO GO, WHAT'S CHANGING? WHAT'S CHANGING? TRYING TO FIND IT ON THE WEBSITE.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A SIMPLER WAY FOR PEOPLE TO PULL UP INFORMATION AND PULL UP CHANGES AND MAYBE SOMEBODY JUST NEEDS TO EDUCATE ME, BUT UNLESS YOU ARE TOTALLY INVOLVED IN FOLLOWING EVERY MEETING AND GOING TO EVERY MEETING,
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IT'S REALLY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.I APPRECIATE ALL YOU GUYS DO, BUT I WISH THERE WAS AN EASIER WAY TO, TO FOLLOW THINGS.
SEEING NONE, I WILL, UM, DO WE NEED TO SEEK CONNECTION? NO, SORRY.
UH, WE WILL ADJOURN, UH, THE BOARD SUPERVISORS, UH, TO ITS AFTERNOON REGULAR MEETING AT 3:30 PM IN BOARD MEETING ROOM 2 25.
UH, WE THANK ALL THOSE FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, VIA OUR STREAMING OR, UH, VIA OUR, UH, WHO, WHO ARE IN HERE, IN PERSON.