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EVENING EVERYONE.UM, OUR CHAIRMAN, WE'VE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HIM BUT, UH, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH HIM.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE A FORUM THIS EVENING WITH TWO OF OUR MEMBERS, MR. COSTELLO AND MS. ARMSTRONG.
SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL, UH, TO ORDER THE JULY 16TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE DESIRE REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UM, AND I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR.
OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
UM, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR, UM, A NOMINATION FOR CHAIR.
I WILL NOMINATE FOR DAN FOR CHAIR, SO YOU'RE NOT HERE TO GET STUCK WITH IT.
AND THEN NEXT WE WILL HAVE, UM, IF WE CAN HAVE AN AUTOMATION FOR VICE CHAIR.
I WILL ATE ALL FOR VICE CHAIR AND A SECOND RIGHT? VOTE
UM, AND THEN OUR BYLAW STATE THAT THE SECRETARY OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MUST BE A STAFF MEMBER.
UM, I AM WILLING TO SERVE IF WE CAN JUST GET A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THAT.
THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
UM, IF EVERYONE'S HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES, WE DO HAVE TWO.
UH, WE HAD A SPECIAL MEETING, UH, FIVE 15 MEETING IN DECEMBER, AND WE ALSO HAD OUR REGULAR DECEMBER 11TH MEETING.
SO, UM, WE WILL NEED A MOTION, UH, AND A VOTE ON EACH ONE OF THE MINUTES.
WE NEED SEPARATE MOTIONS OR TOGETHER TIME MOTION THAT WE, I'LL MAKE MOTION THAT WE WILL APPROVE.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING REVIEW OF DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE BYLAWS.
THAT'S REALLY ONLY THERE IF YOU ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AND HAVE ANY SUGGESTED CHANGES.
WE HAVE RECENTLY UPDATED THEM BACK IN DECEMBER, SO STAFF HAD NO, UH, NO CHANGES TO MAKE I
UM, THEN OUR FIRST SCHEDULED APPLICATION IS COA 20 24 8 APPLICATION BY SP REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS, LLC REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL, UH, COA TO AMEND COA 20 23 11 RELATED TO DESIGN AND PARKING EXCEPTIONS FOR AN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP ON TAX MAP NUMBER 59 3 2 FP SEVEN.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 12 5 0 1 BROAD STREET ROAD ON THE SOUTH LINE OF BROAD STREET ROAD AT THE UCHIN COUNTY BORDER WITHIN REAH COUNTY AND WITHIN THE CENTERVILLE VILLAGE, OVERLAND DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY IS ON B ONE BUSINESS GENERAL WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
THE CO A IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 435.
UH, THIS IS, UH, I JUST RE VICE CHAIR
UM, FOR THE RECORD, I'M RAY CASH, UM, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
I PRESENT THE CASE FOR APPLICANT TONIGHT.
UM, IF YOU RECENTLY JUST READ THE MINUTES, THE MINUTES FOR PRETTY MUCH THIS, THIS CASE.
UH, BEFORE THAT, THERE WAS TWO PREVIOUS, UM, REVIEWS OF THIS CASE, UM, AND OF THE PREVIOUS CASE IN OCTOBER AND DECEMBER.
UM, THE APPLICANT WAS WONDERFUL IN WORKING WITH US AND, UM, AND FROM THE COMMITTEE'S GUIDANCE FOR THE PREVIOUS REVIEW.
UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS AN AMENDMENT RELATED TO THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO DO IT BEGINNING OF THE MEETINGS KIND OF REMIND EVERYONE WHAT THE, THE COMMITTEE, UM, DOES AND SORT OF WHAT THE, THE COMMITTEE WILL CONSIDER.
UM, WHEN WE RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE APPROVAL, UM, WE REVIEW IT, UH, BASED UPON THE EVER LAKE PROVISIONS OF EACH OF THE COURT ENTRANCE CORRIDORS OR THE VILLAGE CENTER.
UM, ALL EXTERIOR WALLS HAVE THE SAME ARTICULATE, HARMONIOUS MATERIALS, COLOR, TEXTURE, AND TREATMENT.
WE LOOK AT THE COMBINATION OF THINGS FOR A BUILDING, IT BE DESIGN LINES, DIMENSION MASS THINGS HERE.
UM, THEY SHOULD CONFORM TO ACCEPTABLE ARCHITECTURAL PRINCIPLES, PERMANENT BUILDINGS REFLECTING THE CHARACTER OF THE CORRIDOR EVERLAND DISTRICT.
WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS AND SO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CHARACTERS FOR 'EM.
UM, AND ALSO THE, ANY DESIGN THAT COMES FORWARD SHOULD BE NOT DESIGNED NOT TO SERVE, NOT DESIGNED TO SERVE PRIMARILY AS AN ADVERTISEMENT.
THINK ABOUT THE HUS WITH
UM, FOR THAT, UH, IT SHOULD NOT BE, UM, THOSE WERE TEMPORARY OR SHORT TERM ARCHITECTURAL AESTHETIC SENSIBILITY.
AND THAT SHOULD BE SEEN TO CONSIDER REASONABLE DETRIMENT FOR TO BE ATTRACTIVENESS.
UM, WHAT THE PROCESS IS, IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE REQUESTED TO CONSIDER APPLICATIONS THAT ARE APPEALED BY THE APPLICANT OR REFERRED BY STAFF.
UH, THE RC MAY APPROVE OR DENY THE
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APPLICATION OR APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS THAT LATER, UM, STAFF WOULD SEEK COMPLIANCE THROUGH FUTURE PLANS.UH, YOU COULD ASSIST AND WE SUBMITTAL AND RECOMMEND SUGGESTIONS.
UH, WE WILL REQUIRE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT PLANS TO REFLECT ANY CHANGES, UM, THAT WERE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IMPOSED TONIGHT.
UH, THIS LAST STATEMENT HERE IS THE ONE THAT REALLY, UH, GUIDES WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR REASONABLE EXPANSION TO EXISTING STRUCTURES TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY.
STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO THE LAKE DISTRICT DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MAY GRANT REASONABLE DEVIATIONS FROM THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
IT DECIDES TOPOGRAPHY CONFIGURATION OR OTHER UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES PREVENT FULL COMPLIANCE OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO AGAIN, THE CASE BEFORE IN SUNNYVILLE VILLAGE, IT TRIED THE ORDER OF PEACHLAND AND HENRICO COUNTY.
THIS WAS ZONED IN 2022 WITH, UM, SORRY, 2023 BEING ONE WITH PROPER CONDITIONS.
SOME OF THIS AFFECTED THE LAYOUT AND DESIGN OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, PORTIONS OF THIS APPLICATION, WE DO ANTICIPATE WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADMINISTRATIVELY FROM THE REVIEW DAYS OR THE DATES UPON PREVIOUS APPROVALS THAT CAME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE.
UM, THE PROPOSED REVISIONS BEFORE YEAR REALLY HAVE MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUS APPROVAL THAT CAME ABOUT IN DECEMBER.
AND THOSE REALLY RELATE TO FOUR CATEGORIES.
ARCHITECTURE, BUILDING MATERIALS, ROOF TREATMENT AND PARKING.
AND IN PART FOR THE PARKING AND DESIGN, THERE IS A LANDSCAPING ELEMENT TO THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, ELEMENTS APPROVED WITH THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
AND UH, ALSO THE PARKING LAB THAT WAS IN CONSIDERATION THAT CAME ABOUT IN THE WAY THE CONDITION AND APPROVAL FOR ARCHITECTURE WAS AS WELL AS PARKING LOT.
AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS ORDER IN, IF YOU NOTICE THIS SQUARE THAT'S IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, THAT ACTUALLY IS THE COUNTY'S UM, UH, BOOSTER STATION.
UM, SO THAT AREA IS NOT COUNTED TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THE SITE, THAT AREA OF PREVIOUS APPROVAL WE'LL TALK ABOUT WAS FENCE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT B ONE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, THIS IS REALLY ORIGINALLY PART OF THE WEST CREEK AREA.
THIS IS, UH, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, REALLY AN INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET.
NOW THE, UM, TOMMY'S AND WAWA.
SO AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S THE BOOSTER STATION ON THE SITE, THE AREA'S CONSTRAINED BY A FLOODPLAIN.
THERE'S ALSO A GIANT UTILITY EASEMENT THAT RUNS DOWN THE CENTER OF IT.
AND THAT'S A UTILITY EASEMENT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO BOTH FOODLAND AND HECO.
SO YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY MESSING WITH THAT.
UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED LAYOUT HERE.
YOU CAN NOTICE THERE'S A COMMERCIAL AND MIXED DEVELOPMENT OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL LAUNDRY FRONTAGE.
THIS IS THE REVISED LAYOUT AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE DISTINCTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THE RENDERINGS AND THE VIEWS AND THINGS THAT ARE IN HERE AND NOT PUT TOGETHER BY STAFF, ALTHOUGH I MAY HAVE MARKED THEM UP SOME.
THESE ARE THE FOUR BY THE APPLICANT.
SO THE PREVIOUS SITE LAYOUT THAT WAS DESIGNED, UM, WE HAD ENTRANCE THAT WE ALL WORKED THROUGH SITE DESIGN AND THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE ABOUT THE ENTRANCE TO THE SITE.
UH, PRINCIPAL ENTRANCE UP HERE, UM, THERE'S A STOPLIGHT THAT'S DOWN HERE, UH, FOR THE END OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THERE WAS NO APPROVALS RELATED TO THE PARKING.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT THROUGH.
AND ALSO HERE'S THE BOOSTER STATION PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
SO THERE WILL BE A SHARED ACCESS, UH, THAT, THAT WE PROVIDE AS WELL TO OUR
UH, PRINCIPAL ELEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN IS THIS LARGE AREA OF A SAY THREE STORY, UH, PARKING GARAGE WAS PART OF THAT ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
UH, LAID UP COMPASS HERE AND SOMETIMES THE IMAGES WILL TWIST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, PRIMARILY KNOW THAT BROAD STREET ROAD IS TO THE NORTH OF, UM, THIS PROPERTY.
UH, WEST IS BACK TOWARDS
UM, THIS AREA, THAT'S THE DOTTED DASH LINES HERE, THAT'S THE AREA THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S CHANGED AND BROUGHT ABOUT, UH, CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THOSE CHANGES.
ITS IMPACT ON THE CURRENT ARCHITECTURE LAYOUT AND THE LENGTH FORWARD.
SO THE MODIFICATION REQUEST, UM, PART OF THIS IS 2 15 4 4 7 8 1, WHICH REALLY RELATES TO THE CHARACTER OF OUR PROPERTY.
UM, IT HAS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS ABOUT WHAT A BUILDING IS SUPPOSED TO BE AND IT SHOULD BE MATCHING TRADITIONAL VILLAGES AND PARTICULAR VILLAGES IN WHICH IS LOCATED IN THIS CASE CENTERVILLE OVERLAY.
UM, WHICH TALKS ABOUT SHOULD HAVE FITS ROOTS, LIMITED HEIGHTS, PEOPLE AS COLUMNS AND SMALLER SCALED WINDOWS, UH, SHOULD
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COMPLIMENT THE CHARACTER IN TERMS OF COLOR, SCALE AND TEXTURE.IT SHOULD HAVE A UNIFIED APPEARANCE, SIMILAR BUILDINGS, UM, AND COLORS ON EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS IN THERE THAT YOU SHOULDN'T ANTICIPATE HOW IT IT RELATES TO THE REST OF THE OVERLAY AND OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA.
UM, IN TERMS OF SCALE, COLOR AND TEXTURE, THESE ARE THINGS WE'VE WORKED OUT IN THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS WITH THE APPLICANT AND JUST HIGHLIGHT THEM AS WE GO THROUGH.
UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE LIKE PRIMARILY IT'S BRICKSTONE OR SEMITIC SIDING.
UM, MOST COMMONLY HAVE EARTH TONES BRIDGE, RED TOWN BROWN OR BRICK.
SMALLER MATERIAL PATTERNS TYPICALLY HAVE SMALLER BRICK PATTERNS, UM, THAT ARE THERE IN OTHER A TOUCH LEAK THAT BREAKS SUB BUILDING MASS.
UM, THERE ARE APPROVED MATERIALS THAT ARE LISTED IN 15 4 7 8 3.
THESE MATERIALS ON THE LEFT ARE WHAT'S LISTED WITHIN THE OVERLAY THAT SHOULD BE USED.
THE APPLICANT DID PROPOSE AND THERE WERE MATERIALS APPROVED AND THE PRE, IN THE PREVIOUS REVIEW RELATED TO USE OF CONCRETE PANELS CLASS OTHER THAN IT'S AN ACCESS MATERIAL, METAL PANELS SPRAY, CONCRETE VENE, JUST A SMALL AREA IN THAT METAL PANELS, FLAT ROOF WITH WINE.
AGAIN, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PITCH ROOFS, BUT THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF FLAT ROOF WITHIN, UH, THE VILLAGE.
UM, AND THEN ORIGINALLY THE CAR KEY, THE CONCRETE ON THE PARKING DECK.
SO THIS IS THE LAYOUT OF THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL.
UH, THE ELEVATIONS WERE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED.
AND THE SECOND, UH, GO ROUND IF THE, IF YOU RECALL THE FINAL DECEMBER HEARING, THE APPLICANT CAME FORWARD WITH TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
THIS IS THE OPTION THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, PART OF THIS WE LABELED THE MATERIALS.
IT'S A FLAT ROOF WITH LINER, WHICH IS ONE OF THE, UM, REQUESTS.
METAL PANELS IS REALLY RELATED TO ACCENT MATERIALS.
THE AREA OF GLASS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE OVERLAY, JUST THAT ACT GLASS RELEASE AND ACCENT MATERIAL.
THIS WAS UNIQUE 'CAUSE IT'S ADDITIONAL GLASS FOR THE AREA.
UM, THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH THE COMMITTEE TO MODIFY HOW MUCH GLASS WAS IN THERE.
IS CONSISTENT TODAY WITH WHAT'S APPROVED.
UM, ADDITIONALLY ELEVATED WALLS.
ELEMENTS WERE PUT HERE TO SORT OF SHIELD THE VIEWS OF THE, UM, OF THE CARS, UM, FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
UM, ALSO THEY CHANGED THE BUILDING FORM TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE A BUILDING WITH THE WINDOW ELEMENTS.
SO WINDOWS, UM, SHAPES OF THAT TO REALLY KEEP IT IN THE FORM THAT IT'S NOT REALLY A PARKING DECK, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A OCCUPIABLE UM, BUILDING.
UH, SO AGAIN, THE PREVIOUS ATION WE ALSO MENTIONED THERE WAS A OVERHANG FOR THE BAY DOORS BECAUSE THEY DO ORIENTED TOWARDS BROAD STREET ROAD, BUT THAT WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY BY THE COMMUNITY WITH THIS ELEMENT, UM, MINIMIZED ACCENT IN THE AREA.
THIS WAS MODIFIED OVER TIME THROUGH THE REVIEWS.
AS I MENTIONED, THE SCALED WALLS FLAT ROOF WITH GRAY LINER WITH THE WHITE PARAPET ON THE FRONT ELEMENT OF THE BUILDING AND ELEVATED WALLS ON THE PARKING PAD.
SO I REALLY HIGHLIGHT THESE TWO AREAS IN THE RED SQUARE 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE CHANGING ARCHITECTURALLY FROM THE BUILDING.
SO REALLY THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE BILL, THE BILLINGS GENERALLY CONFORM TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED MATERIALS, UM, THAT HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY CHANGES OR REQUESTS TO CHANGE THE MATERIALS FROM WHAT'S PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
UM, I'VE SEEN IN THE ELEVATIONS THE SAME AMOUNT OF GLASS THAT WE HAD, WE WORKED OUT BEFORE.
UM, REALLY IT'S BUILDING'S CHOPPED OFF, THE PARKING DECK'S GONE.
UM, UH, THE REASON I ALSO INCLUDED THIS IS THE CONSIDERATION.
UM, NOW WITH THE REMOVAL, THERE IS NO, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA DOESN'T HAVE THE LIGHT, UM, PERIMETER AS THE OTHER AREA.
THIS WAS FORMALLY THE TRANSITIONS OF THE PARKING DECK ON THIS BACK SIDE OF IT HERE.
UM, BUT ANOTHER REASON NOT BRINGING UP IS 'CAUSE THAT IS PARTS.
THE CHANGE WITH ELEVATION IS THAT WITHOUT THE PARKING DECK, THE SHAPE FORM BUILDING AND THE SOUTH ELEVATION HAS CHANGED.
UH, RED SQUARE REALLY IS THE HIGHLIGHT TO NOTICE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING.
UM, THIS IS NOW THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS REALLY, THIS IS A, THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS FACING TOWARDS THE, UM, THE, THE, THE PUBLIC AND FLOODPLAIN AREA THAT'S TO THE SOUTH, UM, OF THE AREA.
UH, AS WE LOOK AGAIN AT THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS
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IS, THIS IS STEERED AWAY FROM VIEWS, UH, ABOVE OTHER PROPERTIES HERE.SO CONSIDERATION OF 15 4 4 7 84 AS I MENTIONED, 15 4, 4 7.
THERE WAS THREE ELEMENTS OF THAT THAT WERE PART OF FOR THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW.
THIS ONE AGAIN, IS ABOUT, UH, RELATED TO THE, THE FIT ROOM EFFECT DESIGN.
UM, THIS IS THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL THAT DID, UM, DO THAT.
THE UM, COLOR SCHEME, AS I'LL MENTION AGAIN, WAS NEGOTIATED, WORKED OUT, UM, WAS CONCERNED EVENTUALLY WITH THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
UH, NOTHING HERE SHOWS ME THAT THEY'RE DEVIATING FROM THE PREVIOUS COLORS THOUGH BEFORE AND TO INCLUDE THE ROOF PARAPET AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
UM, HAS A LIGHT ELEMENT ON THE TOP, UH, AGAIN, JUST TO SHOW THE ELEVATION HOW THIS AREA IS, UH, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, THE OTHER, BUT MAINLY THE PARKING DECK STARTED HERE AND
SO THE NEXT ELEMENT THAT WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY THROUGH THE UM, DRC APPROVALS RELATED TO PARKING.
FURTHER PROVISIONS IN THE ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN A DOUBLE ROAD PARKING ALONG CROSS STREET ROAD.
UM, YOU HAVE TO DISTRIBUTE PARKING IN ALL AREAS OF BUILDING FRONT BACK SIDE.
UM, AND ALSO YOU CAN UTILIZE LITTLE IMPACT DESIGN PRACTICES, UM, FOR THAT.
UH, SO PART OF THE APPROVALS THAT WENT THROUGH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT AS WE GET TO THE NEXT STAGE.
BUT THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE CHANGES TO THE PREVIOUSLY CREATED PLAN, WHICH DOES REQUIRE TO REVIEW THE PARKING CHANGES RESULT PRIMARILY FROM THE REVIEW OF THE PARKING DECK AND CHANGE TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL PLANNINGS AND FENCE, UH, PROPOSALS ALONG INSTRUMENT WHICH ORDERS, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL, UM, OF MARKED IT ALL UP.
PART OF THIS GOES TO BASE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, UH, PROVISIONS THAT CAME FORWARD DURING THE ZONING CASE AND THE PROVISIONS RELATED TO, UM, YOUR APPROVAL.
SO THE GREEN AREA, AGAIN, IT EXCEEDED THE DOUBLE ROAD, UM, PERMITTED AND THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND TO THE SIDE.
UM, THERE WAS A LIMITATION IN THE ZONING CASE THAT BASICALLY SAID YOU COULD NOT DISPLAY INVENTORY WITHIN 100 FEET.
UH, THERE, UM, THERE WAS ALSO A STANDARD BUFFER CONDITION.
UM, AND SO THERE WERE ADDITIONAL PLANNINGS THAT WE WORKED OUT THROUGH THE REVIEW.
THERE'S ALSO, UM, THROUGH THIS REVIEW ALSO WE'LL SHOW THEY ACTUALLY DID LARGER ISLAND, MORE PLANTINGS IN THESE ISLANDS.
THE RED AREA HERE WAS PERMITTED FRONT DISPLAY THROUGH THE BOARD CENTER SUPERVISORS PRO, UH, APPROVAL SIX SPACES, SIX OTHER SPACES ARE UP THERE AS WELL, BUT SIX
UM, ORIGINAL, THERE WAS NO PARKING ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE, THE SITE.
AND WE HAD THE ORIGINAL, UH, PARKING IN THE YELLOW BOX, I MEAN PARKING DECK.
SO BOTH ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION, PART OF THE CONDITIONS THAT CAME FORWARD.
THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOME ELEVATED PLANTINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IF THEY COME FORWARD IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, SEEN THOSE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO WALL LOW WALLS, INCLUDING IN THE BUFFER.
PART OF THAT WAS THE SCREEN BAY DOORS, BUT ALSO SOFTEN THE APPEARANCE OF THE DOUBLE ROAD, UM, OF THE PARKING, TRANSITIONAL PARKING LOT, THE FRONTAGE.
UM, THERE WERE ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS WITHIN THESE ISLANDS HERE THAT WAS PART OF THE, UH, REVIEW APPROVAL, UM, FROM, UH, THE COMMITTEE.
UM, THERE ALSO WE ADDRESSED HOW THIS AREA HERE IS SCREENED, UM, OF THE BOOSTER STATION.
THERE IS A FENCE AREA FOR THIS AND SCREENING FOR THAT.
UM, AGAIN, ON THIS EDGE WE ALSO HAD EXTENDED FOR HEIGHTENED WALLS FROM THAT.
UM, PART OF THAT WAS, UH, DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, ABOUT THE PA OF THE BUILDING OR THE FORM OF THE BUILDING.
THE OTHER PART WAS THERE WAS CONCERN AT THE TIME FROM ENRICO COUNTY REGARDING THE APPEARANCE FROM THEIR RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR USED IN THE RESIDENTIAL THROUGH THERE.
SO THE APPLICANT DID INCLUDE THE ELEVATOR WALLS.
UM, AS WELL AS THAT THERE'S ALSO A PC FENCE THAT WENT ALONG WITH THE EXTERIOR BOUNDARY SITE HERE.
SO, UM, PART OF THIS IS A CONSIDERATION IS THAT WE HAVE CON RECEIVED A LETTER OF CONCERN FROM AN RECO, UM, ABOUT USING OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, PREVIOUSLY THOSE ELEMENTS WERE THERE OF CONCERN THROUGH THAT.
UM, PART OF THE RESTRICTIONS RELATED TO REALLY HOW THE SITE NEEDED TO OPERATE WITH THE, UM, PARKING GARAGE THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.
UM, SO THESE ARE THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL VIEWS THAT CAME FORWARD.
UM, HERE IS BASICALLY LOOKING FROM I GUESS WHERE YOU TALKING THE SOUTHEAST INTO THE SITE.
AND HERE'S LOOKING MORE FROM INTO OF THE SITE.
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SEE FENCE GOES, KNOW THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY AND BOTH OF THE INSTANCES, AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU HAVE THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS HERE.UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY THE SOUTHERN ALL NATION HAS NO VIEW, BUT IT'S A SLIGHTLY DISTORT VIEW, UM, OF THE REAR OF BUILDING.
UH, SO THE PROPOSAL IS AGAIN TO REMOVE THE PARKING DECK.
SO THIS AREA HERE IN YELLOW IS REALLY THE FOCUS OF THIS AREA HERE.
THERE'S INCREASED SITE PARKING AREA.
NOW GROUND LEVEL PARKING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY WITHIN THE DECK.
THERE'S REVISED DUMPSTER LOCATION PREVIOUSLY IT WAS GENERALLY ABOUT THE END OF THE BUILDING HERE.
UM, WE'RE OKAY WITH OUR REVISION AS LONG AS IT STILL NEEDS THE SAME SCREEN PROVISIONS THAT WE SAW BEFORE THAT WERE APPROVED.
AND, AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT THEY'LL, UM, THREE ADDITIONAL ISLANDS ALONG THIS EDGE HERE ARE PROPOSED.
UH, CIRCLE JUST ONE AND BLUE, BUT THEY ALSO, EACH OF THESE ISLANDS WILL HAVE TWO LARGEST DECIDUOUS TREES IN THERE.
CURRENT LANDSCAPING PROPOSAL, THERE'S KOVAS, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ZELCOVAS, THEY'RE REALLY UPSIDE DOWN BASE.
YOU KNOW, THEY BASE THE BASE
UM, THERE IS A CHANGE IN THE FENCING HERE.
THERE WAS PVC FENCE ALL ALONG THE PERIMETER HERE.
NOW THE PROPOSAL IS, UM, THIS PORTION WOULD BE, UH, IN RED.
IT'S TO REALLY BE SIX FOOT TALL, UM, PVC LIGHT FENCE ALONG THE EDGE.
AND THEN THE CHANGE HAS BEEN TO MAKE THIS ALUMINUM FENCE, UM, ALONG THE SOUTHERN EASTERN BOUNDARY HERE FOR THIS PORTION, UH, YOU CAN SEE REALLY WHERE THE ERRORS TALK ABOUT THE TRANSITION OF THIS MARKET.
SO THE STAFF'S COMMENTS IS REALLY, WE, WE ANTICIPATE AND WE'LL REQUIRE A NEW LENGTH, A NEW LIGHTING PLAN, A NEW GATE PLAN AND NEW POV.
UM, THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW FOR THESE, THERE WAS CONCERN PREVIOUSLY FOR LIGHTING ON THE SITE WHEN IT WAS UP ON THE PARKING DECK.
PPLICANT DID HAVE SOME CONDITION LIGHTING PLANS WITH THAT AND WORK WITH US.
UM, WE WILL ANTICIPATE REVIEWING THAT AGAIN THROUGH THIS PROCESS ABOUT, UM, MAKE SURE THE LIGHT'S CONFORMED WITH THAT AND UH, AND UM, MY CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY CAN VERIFY THAT.
SO THEY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE LIGHTING.
YOU ANTICIPATE CARRYING IT FORWARD AND THIS ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW.
UM, AND THE OTHER IS CONCERN WITH TRANSITION ALONG TO EASTERN PROPERTY LINE THAT, UH, DEFENSE SITE CHANGED.
THERE, UH, WAS RECEIVED A LETTER OF CONCERN FROM ENRICO COUNTY.
WAS TO THOSE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE SEEN IT.
UH, IT REQUIRES THAT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT USING TO BE USED FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY INCO COUNTY.
UM, THEY CONSIDERED IN THEIR STATEMENT TO BE SEEN FENCE HELPFUL THAT THEY FELT THERE SHOULD BE BUFFER ALONG THE EASTERN PERIMETER FOR THIS.
UM, AGAIN, SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL BE USED FOR HERE AND THIS FENCE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO BE USED.
UM, THE APPLICANT, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT ONES THAT WE HAVE IN THERE IN THE APPLICATION IF THEY SEE THOSE.
UM, PVC FENCE ALONG THIS PORTION, YOU SEE THE DROP DOWN WHERE IT GOES INTO.
UM, AND THE LIVING ROOM STYLE FENCE.
AND THIS REALLY, THE PROPERTY STARTS TO DROP A LITTLE BIT HERE.
PART OF, UM, A WALL THERE UNDERNEATH THE METAL FENCES WOULD BE UP ON THE TOP.
I WOULD NOTE THAT THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT, UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
AND UM, I MIGHT GO DOWN, UH, THIS IS APPLICANT'S DEPICTION OF THE VIEWS, IF I'M RIGHT.
I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LOOKING, UH, THIS WAY INTO THE SITE UP HERE.
THEY, YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, AGAIN, THE PVC FACTS AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THESE FROM, SO REALLY WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR? A REQUEST IS SINCE, SINCE I MENTIONED THERE ARE CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL FOR THAT, IS THERE WERE CONSIDERATIONS, UM, OF THE EXCEPTIONS THAT WERE GRANTED PREVIOUSLY BASED UPON WHAT THE SITE CONCEPTS WERE THEN WHERE THE ELEMENTS WERE, UM, OF THE ARCHITECTURE, THE BUILDING, OTHER TYPES OF ACTIONS ON THE SITE.
UM, SPECIFICALLY YOU'RE LOOKING TO PROVISIONS TO THOSE THAT SECTION 15 4 4 7, 1 3 4.
THAT'S REALLY THE BUILDING ITSELF.
ARCHITECTURE, BUILDING MATERIALS, ROOF TREATMENT, UM, 2 15 4 4 7 B THREE REALLY RELATES TO, AND I INCLUDED IT AS A PARKING AND, BUT UH, RECOGNIZED THAT PART OF THAT WAS ALL THE CONSIDERATION OF SITE LAYOUT
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AND RELATEDSO IT FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE.
WHEN YOU CONSIDER THESE CHANGES, YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS THE ORDINANCE SAYS, GENERALLY THE ENTIRE SITE AND MEANS ARE CIRCUMSTANCES, SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MAY BE UNIQUE, UM, TRANSITIONS, UH, TOPOGRAPHY AND VARIETY.
SO AGAIN, FOR THAT, THAT IS THE COMPLETION OF MY, UH, PRESENTATION.
YOU ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I THINK YOU'D LIKE TO GO BACK UP.
WAS THE ORIGINAL F APPROVED BY YOU? SO THE ORIGINAL RECALL THE WE, YEAH.
SO THE ORIGINAL, UM, PVC FENCE IN MOST PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
PART OF THAT IS IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN FOR THE SITE.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE, THE BUILDING ELEMENTS IT'S LINKED, IT'S UH, THE EXTENT OF WHAT THE BUILDING EXTENDED ON THE PROPERTY AND THE TIGHTNESS OF THIS TRANSITION AROUND HERE.
UM, IT GIVES SOME ADMINISTRATIVE RELIEF TO THE REQUIRED BUFFER THAT'S THERE.
AND UH, THROUGH THAT, THAT PROCESS, UM, THE PVC FENCE WAS PART OF THAT ELEMENT TO SCREEN THE SCREEN AREA AS BEST YOU COULD.
UM, PART OF IT, IT DID STAND FURTHER UP HERE AND THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON TO THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
SO THAT STAFF APPROVAL THAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH THE C DEFENSES? YEAH, THAT WAS PROBABLY THE ORIGINAL FOR RIGHT.
WAS THAT THE JANUARY, FEBRUARY OR THE ONE PRIOR? THAT WAS THE ONE THAT GOES AT THE DRC HEARING? WELL IT WAS, IT WAS APPROVED AT THE OCTOBER HEARING THE TRANSITION, BUT IT WAS SUBJECT TO THE OTHER CHANGES THAT OCCURRED AT THE SUMMER.
SO EVENTUALLY IT WAS TO DEVELOP THE FINAL PACKAGE.
I WILL MENTION, AND THIS SOMETHING I NEED CLARIFY WITH APPLICANT WHILE WE'RE HERE.
UM, THE ALUMINUM FENCE THAT'S PROPOSED, IT'S SEE AN ELEMENT OF IT IN THERE, BUT THAT'S, IS IT SUMMER TO THE ONE WE ALREADY APPROVED OVER OTHER THING? SO IDENTICAL.
SO THE HEIGHT WOULD BE SMALLER FOR THE PORTION? CORRECT.
SO I CAN PULL IT UP FOR YOU IF YOU RECALL.
IT'S BASICALLY AN ALUMINUM FENCE THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE A ROT IRON FENCE, BLACK.
UM, SO MORE UH, OR MILK THAT WAS GOING RUN THE BOOSTER STATION.
BELIEVE THE BOOSTER STATION WAS LIKE EIGHT FEET TALL.
UM, FOR THIS WE'RE TALKING ARIAN HEIGHT THREE GO FROM SIX DOWN TO THREE.
THAT WAS AN ELEMENT WAS CLEAR PRESENTATION TODAY.
THE SOUTH ELEVATION HAS IT CHANGED? SO PART OF THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO APPROVE.
AS THE BUILDING ITSELF HAS SHAKEN FORM HAS CHANGED FOR NEWS, DOES THAT CHANGE IN THE PREVIOUS RELEASE OR CONSIDERATIONS? SO THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, AND THE STAFF'S NOT MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT DIRECTION FOR YOU.
UH, THE OTHER IS THE PROPERTY IS RELATION NOW WITH THE CHANGE IN BUILDING, WE THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE THAT YOU SEE THE CHANGE IN THE PARKING AND LAYOUT.
IT'LL SIMILAR MUCH DISCUSSION IN THE ORIGINAL
SO JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
MM-HMM,
UM, SO MY TAKEAWAY IS IF YOU HAVE TO REALLY SAY THAT, UM, EITHER PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE DRC, UM, OR THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE RELIEF TO DATE MM-HMM
UM, THESE ARE ALL BASICALLY SOME FORM OF EXCEPTIONS ALREADY GRANTED TO THE ORDINANCE.
WHETHER THEY BE THE OVERLAY DISTRICT OR THESE OTHER REFERENCE NUMBERS THAT YOU INDICATED IN.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND IT'S LIKE A LOT OF UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WIGGLE ROOM IF YOU WILL, THAT'S BEEN, UM, PROVIDED UH, TO FACILITATE WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING SO FAR.
UM, UH, JUST TO GO BACK OVER LOT OF DISCUSSION AND CONCERN ORIGINALLY WAS SAY
UM, I'VE REALLY FOCUSED A LOT ON THE ELEMENTS
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AMONG THE PARKING, UM, DECK.THERE WERE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, AGAIN TO THE
UM, THE GLASS, THE GLASS WAS ALSO A CONSIDERATION.
UM, A LOT OF THAT ACTUALLY WAS A REDUCTION IN THE ORIGINAL BECAUSE GLASS, RIGHT? UM, THERE IS ONE OTHER USE IN THE AREA THAT HAS THE GLASS, THAT'S THE AUDI DEALERSHIP, WHICH HAD SOME, THE RESTRICTIONS ABOUT REDUCTION IN GLASS.
UM, SO THERE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS, THIS CHANGED OVER TIME.
ORIGINALLY THIS WAS MORE ALL, ALL WIRES AND HERE, UM, KNOW THE
UH, SO A LOT OF THIS WAS ALL PREVIOUS TYPE THINGS BEING THAT IT WAS SUCH A PART OF A PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WITH NOW CHANGE IN ELEVATION WAS THAT WAS THAT YOU SHOULD COME BACK AND SEE THAT'S ALL.
THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, I JUST HAPPENED TO, UM, WALK ACROSS YESTERDAY.
I WANT TO KIND OF JUST SEE WHAT IT WAS LIKE AND YOU GET IT, FILL THE ELEVATIONS.
UM, THE ONE THING I NOTICED THAT I COULDN'T TELL FROM THE CALLED THE PACKAGE WHERE THE TOWNHOUSES ARE ON THE LECO SIDE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE TOWNHOUSES, IT DROPS OFF PRETTY CONSIDERABLE.
I MEAN THINKING AT THE FAR END OF THAT, IT PROBABLY 10 MORE FEET AND AS IT AS IT GRADES UP TOWARDS BROAD STREET, IT DOES FLATTEN OUT, BUT THEN IT ACTUALLY BECOMES HIGHER AS YOU GET TO BROAD STREET.
AND SO I'M TRYING TO THINK, THIS LOOKS LIKE A NICE FLAT LOT, BUT IN REALITY IT'S NOT FLAT AT ALL.
RIGHT? AND THERE'S A LITTLE STREAM AND I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, SOME
SO HOW DID STAFF CONSIDER THE TOPOGRAPHY WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, I KNOW WHEN WE HAD THE PARKING GARAGE IT ALMOST TOOK CARE OF THAT.
RIGHT NOW WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN MANY WAYS YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING DOWN FROM HENRICO INTO WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS BEING PROPOSED.
SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT A SIX FOOT FENCE, THAT'S NOT EVEN GONNA COME UP TO THE TOP OF THE, UH, PARKING AREA FOR THESE TOWNHOUSES.
I THAT, THAT, THAT'S PART OF, AGAIN, PART OF THE CONSIDERATION.
IT'S BEFORE YOU FOR THAT, UM, STAFF STILL YOU FELT LIKE ADMINISTRATIVELY WE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE BUFFER, THE SITE THAT'S PART OF THE ZONING THAT WE SHARED WITH THE BOARD FOR THAT, UM, TO COMPENSATE FOR THOSE ELEMENTS.
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION, UM, WITH THEM TO FIND A WAY TO ADD ADDITIONAL CANOPY AS BEST WE CAN INTO THIS AREA.
RECOGNIZING THAT'S ONLY A CERTAIN TIME OF YEAR, UM, SOLUTION FOR THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT, UH, HAS TRIED TO CONSIDER WHAT THE VIEWS ARE AND THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ONES I COULD ALWAYS SHOW YOU THROUGH THE PROPOSAL AND THEY CERTAIN ONES THEY WANT POINT OUT FOR THAT.
UM, AND SO YES OR WE DOING A FULL, UM, SCREENING OF THE PARKING AREA.
I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS SORT OF TO MINIMIZE OR SOFTEN THE ELEMENTS OF REASON TO THAT.
UM, SO WHAT'S SHOWN IS REALLY THE ANTICIPATED TYPE OF CONCEPT FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL IS TO HAVE THESE DOUBLE PARK, THESE DOUBLE ISLANDS WITH TWO LARGE TREES IN THERE WITH UPPER GROWING CANOPY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS WORK OUT WITH THE UM, WITH THE UH, THE PROJECT, UH, PEOPLE, THE DEVELOPER, THE LANDSCAPER, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY OPTIONS WOULD BE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, MAYBE MORE MATURE TREES TO START TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SORT OF GETTING SOMETHING IN THERE QUICKER.
UM, ALSO ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE.
AND ON THESE ISLAND HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT SORT OF THEIR CONCEPT MAIN AS WELL AS THEIR, THE LARGER TREES HERE.
UM, AND THEN THE DOUBLE TREES HERE.
SO AT LEAST FENCE, THIS SORT OF COVERS THESE VIEWS FOR THIS FIRST ELEMENT.
AND THEN THE HOPE WAS AS YOU GO FORWARD WITH HERE, YOU HAVE A SOFTENING DIMINISHED WITH UH, CANOPY.
SO, UM, DAVE CALLED ME ARCHITECT.
UM, WE WALKED WITH A PROPERTY AND KIND OF DID WHAT YOU DID AS WELL, JUST REALLY LOOKING AT THIS SITE.
I THINK THE ONE THING THAT GUYS REALLY EXCITED, AT LEAST THE COMPANY REALLY EXCITED WAS I KNOW THERE WAS OTHER EXCITEMENT.
THERE'S A COUPLE REALLY BIG TREES THAT ARE ON THAT CURRENT PROPERTY EDGE BUFFER.
AND SO WE WERE TRYING REALLY HARD TO KEEP THOSE REALLY TALL TREES AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
HIRED ARBORS COME OUT AND LOOK AT THESE.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS TWO THAT WE SAW, BUT THEY IDENTIFIED THREE AND UM, THEY GAVE US A REPORT AND BASICALLY SAID YOU CAN'T KEEP THESE TREES.
BUT THERE WAS A FOREST AROUND THAT AT SOME POINT
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IN TIME SAID WE TAKE DOWN THE FOREST ON BOTH SIDES AND THEN IT COULD BE STRUCTURALLY HE'S TAKEN WIND LOADS AND HAS REALLY THAT.AND I WAS, UM, PERSONALLY I WAS LIKE, OH MAN, I WANNA KEEP THIS TREES.
SO I CALLED HIM AND HE WAS LIKE, I, I'M IN THE BUSINESS OF KEEPING TREES BUT THESE CAN'T STAY.
UM, SO WHAT THAT DID FOR US IS IT ALLOWED US TO HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THIS BUFFER AND WHERE THOSE ISLANDS AND POCKET TREES ARE.
'CAUSE PREVIOUSLY IT WAS FRAMING TREES THAT WERE EXISTING.
UM, SO WE STRATEGICALLY PLACED THEM ON OUR PROPERTY SIDE AND IT WOULD, UM, MASK AS MUCH OF THE PARKING DECK, UH, AND BUILDING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL USE.
THE OTHER THING WE LEARNED WHEN WE DID THAT WAS THERE'S 10 OR 15 OF THESE OTHER TREES ON THE OW OAK TREES THAT HAVE BEEN PLANTED ON THE, ON THE NEIGHBORS PROPERTY AND WE'RE SHOWING THOSE RENDERS AS WELL.
SO RIGHT WHERE ALL THAT, THAT RED ARROW THAT SAYS PVC FENCE, THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF TREES THAT ARE ON THEIR SIDE AS WELL, WHICH HELPS.
I MEAN THAT'S NOT OBVIOUSLY PART OF WHAT WE'RE UM DOING, BUT IT IS.
YEAH, WE PLAYED OFF THAT TO HELP WITH THE SHADING AS WELL WITH THEIR TREES TO MAKE SURE THERE'S CONTINUOUS SHADING, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS OVER THAT AREA LOOKING THROUGH THERE.
SO RAY, I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN INTERRUPT STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
UH, I THINK IF REQUEST IN TIME WITH LET ADVOCATES DECISION, ABSOLUTELY.
I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE EVERYBODY COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE WEEDS OF IT.
BUT, UM, WHAT'S THE TREES, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S RIGHT THAT MY NAME'S MIKE ROTH.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM.
SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN MY PRIVILEGE TO, TO REPRESENT JOEY FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
THIS, UH, WE WERE TALKING AT DINNER.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT FOR TWO YEARS.
WE MET WITH JAMIE BACK, UM, IN 2022 TO, TO GET THIS PROCESS STARTED.
BUT JOEY UM, JOEY REMINDED US THAT, THAT HE'S BEEN INVOLVED SINCE 2019 OR 2020, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, WITH HONDA BECOMING THE, UM, WINNING THE POINT TO, TO LOCATE THIS DEALERSHIP HERE.
UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA MAKE MY WAY AROUND THE TABLE HERE INTRODUCING EVERYBODY IN THEIR ROLES.
'CAUSE JODY'S REALLY PUT TOGETHER A REALLY GOOD TEAM.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES I'M IN HERE ON BEHALF OF THE FELLOW.
HE DEVELOPS A SITE AND THEN IS OUTTA HERE.
JOEY'S GONNA BE A LONG TIME CORPORATE CITIZEN OF THE COUNTY.
AND SO HE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, HE, HE'S COME DOWN HERE NUMEROUS TIMES.
UM, AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE WHEN, UM, WHEN HONDA CHANGED ITS REQUIREMENTS, UM, AS FAR AS DEAL INVENTORY, WHICH IS WHAT PRECIPITATED THIS CHANGE, UM, AND ALLOWED JOEY TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THE PARKING DEBT, WHICH BY THE WAY WAS THE, THE BIGGEST SOURCE OF COMPLAINT THAT WE GOT FROM, FROM THOSE FOLKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, UM, CAME BACK IN, WE MET WITH JANIE AND RAY AS WELL AS THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO GET THEIR, THEIR FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE, WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE THE FINER POINTS OF, OF DESIGN AND LANDSCAPING.
UM, AND SO AS I MOVE AROUND THE ROOM HERE, I'M JUST GONNA SORT OF TELL YOU WHAT EVERYBODY'S DONE.
UM, ANDREW BOWMAN IS WITH SILVER CORE, LOCAL, LOCAL CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRM.
UM, ANDREW HAS PUT THE, UM, THE CIVIL PLANS TOGETHER.
HE'S ALSO, UH, BEEN PRIMARILY IN CHARGE OF THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, AND THEY'VE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THE LANDSCAPING.
PRIOR TO THE LAST DRC MEETING, WE FOCUSED MOSTLY OBVIOUSLY ON THE FRONTAGE, UH, BACK IN OCTOBER AND DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR SO THAT IT WAS ATTRACTIVE FROM BROAD STREET, UH, AND THAT WE, THE COUNTY WAS, WAS VERY CLEAR AT THE BEGINNING THAT THIS IS THE GATEWAY IN THE GLAND AND THEY WANTED THE SITE TO BE NICE.
UM, AND SO THEY PUT A LOT OF LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT WALLS, TREES, UM, A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT ANDREW WORKED WITH THE COUNTY AND GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THAT.
HE, AND, AND THESE GUYS ARE ALL GONNA TALK ABOUT WHATEVER YOU WANT THEM TO TALK ABOUT AS FAR AS EACH OF THESE ELEMENTS THAT HAVE CHANGED, UH, SINCE, SINCE YOU ALL APPROVED IT IN DECEMBER, BUT DAVE STARTED REFERENCING IT, UM, THAT THEY'VE MET WITH AN ARBORIST.
THEY REALLY, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE VIEW FROM THE EAST AND, AND THE TOWNHOUSES IN HENRICO, I THINK THIS IS SUCH A BETTER, BETTER VIEW SHED OR OR PRODUCT THAN THEY HAD WITH THE BIG PARKING YET.
UM, AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, UH, NEARBY HENRICO DEVELOPMENTS, WHEN YOU THINK OF WESTBOROUGH VILLAGE, WHEN YOU THINK OF GREEN GATE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE'S THE STANLEY MARTIN DEVELOPMENT'S PRETTY SIMILAR IN THAT YOU'VE GOT SORT OF MULTI-STORY TOWN, HOME STYLE RESIDENTIAL
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RIGHT ON TOP OF COMMERCIAL AND BIG PARKING AREAS.UM, AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT GREEN GATE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S HUGE PARKING, PARKING LOTS, RIGHT, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE TOWNHOUSE.
UM, SO WE WERE A LITTLE CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY, BY THE COMPLAINTS OR, OR CONCERNS WITH THIS SITE.
BUT NONETHELESS, THESE GUYS DID A REALLY NICE JOB OF TAKING INVENTORY ON RECO SIDE, SEEING WHAT'S THERE NOW, LOCATING THE ADDITIONAL ISLANDS AND TREES ALONG THAT EASTERN SIDE, UH, BOTH ON THE VERY EDGE AS WELL AS SORT OF, OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVE AISLE TO OFFSET SO THAT THE VIEWS FROM THE HENRICO SIDE.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU SORT OF GET OVER THAT
SO IT WILL PROVIDE QUITE A BIT OF SCREENING WHEN YOU'RE ON GROUND LEVEL ON THE, ON THE HENRI SIDE.
UM, BUT ANDREW CAN ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CIVIL PLANS AND THE LANDSCAPING AND THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED AS WELL.
BILL, UM, KIMEL IS WITH RAINIER CONSTRUCTION, UM, BILL, AND I'LL SAY THIS BOTH FOR HIM AND DAVE.
DAVE LEY IS WITH
THESE GUYS HAVE HAD THE, AN ENVIABLE TASK OF NOT ONLY ADDRESSING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT
BUT HONDA HAS ITS OWN REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A BALANCE BETWEEN TAKING EVERYTHING THAT, THAT THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOT FROM THE COUNTY AND GOING BACK TO HONDA AND SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND GETTING PUSHBACK THERE AND BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH.
AND SO DAVE AND BILL BOTH HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE AUTO DEALERS, UM, INCLUDING HONDA.
SO THEY'VE DONE A REALLY NICE JOB OF SORT OF BALANCING EVERYBODY'S WISHLIST, UM, IN, IN PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD TEAM.
I THOUGHT WHAT MIGHT BE MOST HELPFUL, I THINK PROBABLY DAVE IS, IS BEST TO SORT OF WALK THROUGH THE CHANGES.
YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, THE, THE FENCE.
UM, I THINK THE, THE CHANGE FOR THE FENCE, UM, WAS PRECIPITATED JUST MORE FROM AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE ALUMINUM FENCING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PUMP STATION, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT THE COUNTY WANTED.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE SITE FROM THE FRONT, YOU SEE SORT OF THE ALUMINUM, THE BLACK ALUMINUM ON, ON THOSE SIDES.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT, UM, WE VIEW THIS AS ALL POSITIVE CHANGES.
UM, AND I THINK I STARTED REFERENCING IT, THE, THE CHANGE WAS BROUGHT ABOUT BY HONDA, UM, POST COVID AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OF OTHER DEALERS AS WELL.
I THINK MOST MANUFACTURERS REALIZE WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE SEA OF CARS TO SELL CARS, RIGHT? AND COVID REALLY TAUGHT US THAT, THAT HERE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GAVE A SMALL SUPPLY OF CARS AND THE VEHICLES COME IN, THEY'RE GONNA BE SOLD BEFOREHAND AND THEN, UH, PRESENTED TO THE CUSTOMER, RIGHT? SO THAT BROUGHT ABOUT THE CHANGE, THAT SORT OF DECREASED REQUIREMENT ON THE DEALER, ON THE MANUFACTURER'S PART, WHICH WE VIEWED AS JUST A POSITIVE ALL AROUND BECAUSE OVERWHELMINGLY THE COMPLAINTS WERE THIS BIG PARKING STRUCTURE.
AND I THINK MR. CASTELLO, WE RECALL WHEN YOU WERE IN DECEMBER AND YOUR CONCERN WAS COMING OFF 2 88, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD SEE THAT BIG PARKING DECK AND THE LIGHTS ON TOP.
SO WE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE DELIGHTED THAT, THAT, WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I THOUGHT WHAT WOULD BE BEST HELPFUL IS TO HAVE DAVE SORT OF WALK THROUGH AND JUST EXPLAIN THE CHANGES, THE ELEVATIONS, THE FENCING, LANDSCAPING AND KNOW TO THE EXTENT THERE IN QUESTIONS, WE'VE GOT ALL THE EXPERTS HERE TO, TO ANSWER THANKS.
TELL ME WHICH YOU WANNA LOOK AT OR, UM, PROBABLY STAY HERE.
THERE IS ONE OTHER IMAGE THAT'S, UM, WE TOOK OF, UM, FROM THE PARKING LOT OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE ORIGINAL PACKET, WHICH I DIDN'T SEE IN THIS, BUT YOU SEE IT YELLOW, UH RIGHT SOMEWHERE.
ARE THERE PICTURES? AND THEN THAT'S THE PAGE I ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT THOUGH THE ONE OUT, THE
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PHOTOGRAPHS.SO, UM, WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS ONE IN A MINUTE.
SO THIS ONE'S NOT RELEVANT QUITE, I JUST WANT TO GET IT TEED UP.
SO IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE, UM, WE, AS A PLACEHOLDER PAGE THAT IS, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF THE, I WANNA COME BACK TO THIS AT SOME POINT, WHATEVER PAGE THIS IS.
I THINK THIS HAS THE THINGS, UM, PAGE THAT'S SIX, RIGHT? THAT'S PAGE 10 PAGE.
LOOKS LIKE TO GO BACK TO YOU, UH, GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE OTHER TAB HAVE OPEN.
AND THEN GO, GO FORWARD THE BEGINNING AGAIN.
UM, SO REALLY THE PRIMARY CHANGES IS THAT I RECAP EVERYTHING RIGHT, EXCEPT WE DO GOOD JOB EXPLAINING WHAT ALL PRIMARY CHANGES WERE ON THE BUILDING.
THE PRIMARY THING AGAIN IS THE REMOVAL OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE.
SO THE, THE REMAINING TRUNK OF THE BUILDING, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
SO THE, THE CHANGE THAT IS DIFFERENT AT THIS POINT IS THE CELL PHONE ISSUE IF YOU DON'T SEE IN THIS PARTICULAR DEAL.
SO THAT'S ONE THING WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THAT HAS CHANGED WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY, UM, UH, DISCUSSED.
BUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING IS ALL ESSENTIALLY IDENTICAL DURING NO OTHER CHANGES THAT WERE DONE ANYWHERE ELSE.
UM, WHEN WE STARTED HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE, UM, AND HONESTLY WE, WE, WE ALL FELT LIKE THIS IS THE THING THAT EVERYBODY REALLY HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS ON, SPENT A LOT OF EFFORT ON.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THAT THING AND IT WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ON THAT WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WELL THAT THIS SHOULD BE VERY EASY, LIKE WHEN WE COME BACK AND SHOW LIKE WE'RE TAKING AWAY THE THING THAT SEEMED TO HAVE THE MOST, UM, TENSION TO IT.
UM, BUT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, UM, WHAT WE DID DO IS REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT BUFFER BETWEEN THE PARKING, UH, AREA AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THERE IS A DIFFERENT LEVEL WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF HIT ON IT, IT ALREADY WITH TREES AND ANDREW CAN TALK ABOUT THE TYPES OF TREES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING HOW BIG THEY GET AND HOW THE CANOPIES GROW AND SPREAD AND ALL THAT.
UM, BUT EVEN THE FENCE, LIKE THE EXAMPLE OF THE CHANGE OF THE, UM, FENCE FROM THE PVC TO THE, UM,
ULTIMATELY WE HAD A WHITE PVC FENCE CUTTING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY TO THE GREEN ROAD AND IT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARY.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE A COMMERCIALLY USED, WHICH IS THE DEALERSHIP ADJACENT TO ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USE.
YOU DON'T NEED THAT THINK 100% WHITE SOLID FENCING.
SO IT WAS REALLY, IT WAS REALLY, THAT MODIFICATION WAS SIMPLY AN UPGRADE, UM, AS FAR AS WE WERE, UH, LOOKING AT IT.
DO YOU HAVE THE, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF THE FENCING GOING? DOES IT END WHERE THE SHOWROOM ENDS? NO.
SO IT GOES BACK TO WHERE THAT GOES FURTHER? YEAH.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE FINISHING IT AT THE EDGE OF WHERE THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY STOPS ON THIS SIDE.
SO THERE'S A LINE RIGHT IN HERE AND THAT'S THE POINT RIGHT THERE.
SO THE FENCE GOES FROM THREE FEET AND THEN IT TRANSITIONS UP TO THE SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE.
SO THAT TIES TOGETHER WITH THE TALLER AWAY FENCE.
SO I, I, AND I WASN'T SURE IF I GOT THE ONE PROPERLY, I GUESS IN RELATION TO YOUR BUILDING, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE FENCE, UH,
IT DOESN'T GO THE FULL LENGTH OF THE BUILDING.
IT DOES NOT STOP UP BY WHAT IT SHOWING US.
IT'S THREE QUARTERS AWAY INTO THE BUILDING ELEVATION.
SO, UM, AND, AND WE COULD, WE COULD GO TO THE SITE, PULL OUT THE, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT'S CLOSER.
I WASN'T SURE WHERE THESE LINES, THESE ARE THE RIGHT LINES, BUT I, THERE WAS A B, C HERE THERE.
IT'S PRETTY, YEAH, BECAUSE THE BACK OF OUR BUILDING'S PRETTY CLOSE TO STAYING WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL PIECE OF THE FRONT OF BOTH THE UH, PROPERTY IN HENRICO AS WELL AS OUR PROPERTY HERE.
SO, SO WE COULD, WE COULD FALL UNDER WHILE WE'RE ON THIS ONE.
PROBABLY THE OTHER, THE MAYBE UH, IT SHOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT.
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SO THE LANDSCAPE, THERE YOU GO.I THINK SO YEAH, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, HERE'S THERE WHERE THAT TRANSITION OCCURS.
UM, WHAT WE DID, AND AGAIN JUST ON THE LANDSCAPE, YOU START TO SEE ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS RIGHT HERE.
THESE ARE ALL THOSE EXISTING LITTLE OAKS.
THEY'RE ON THE OTHER PROPERTY.
BIG TREES EVENTUALLY GONNA BE VERY LARGE.
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT ARE PLANTED.
SO WE STRATEGICALLY TARGETED THIS ZONE HERE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE AND THIS SKY TO HELP FRAME IF YOU, AS YOU'RE LOOKING FROM A LOT OF WHAT THESE, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS POTENTIALLY GONNA SEE.
WHAT WE ALSO DID WAS WE ENLARGED THESE ISLANDS.
THESE ISLANDS ORIGINALLY WERE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE TOWN WE GOT FROM UM, OUR STAFF WAS PIECE LITTLE BIT BIGGER SO THAT THERE'S A BETTER CHANCE THAT THE TREES ARE GOING TO SURVIVE.
YOU KNOW, THE HEAT ISLAND, THE PARKING LOTS GET REAL HOT.
SO THESE WERE INCREASED IN SIZE FROM AT LEAST THE DESIGN PROCESS.
UM, AND SO, AND YEAH, THE REST OF THE PERIMETER AND ALL THE, ALL THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR AMOUNT OF PARKING AND ISLANDS, WE'VE CHECKED ALL THOSE BOXES TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CORRECT AND ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF, OF INTERIOR LANDSCAPING FOR THE PROJECT.
BUT THAT REALLY HAS BECOME THE PRIMARY FOCUS FOR, I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY IS THIS, THIS ENTIRE LENGTH HAS BEEN UM, JUST REALLY A LOT OF EFFORT THIS ON IT TO, AND I THINK RICK, YOU CAN SCROLL BACK DOWN TO THE EXISTING PHOTOS OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEXT DOOR.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT HERE, RIGHT IN HERE.
SO THIS THIS TREE LINE, THIS TREE LINE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS OUR PROPERTY RIGHT HERE RELATIVE TO THE PARKING UP HERE.
AND THOSE BIG TREES I WAS TALKING ABOUT ARE ACTUALLY LIKE RIGHT HERE.
AND THOSE WERE THESE TWO BIG GUYS.
SO THOSE WERE THE TWO ONES THAT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP BUT JUST DIDN'T REALLY WORK OUT.
THIS AREA BACK HERE THAT DOES DROP DOWN IS DEEPER INTO THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, WE CAN LOOK AT, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS ISLAND IS RIGHT HERE RELATIVE TO THE LOCATION OF WHERE OUR PROPERTY WOULD BE.
BUT THERE IS AN EXISTING SMALL TABLE THAT'S DOWN.
I WENT OUT THE YESTERDAY WITH THAT ROAD WAS ACROSS BETWEEN THE TOWNHOUSES AND THAT 22 I SAW THE RETAINING WALL AND IT'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL RETAINING WALL.
RIGHT? UM, AND I DIDN'T GET OUT THE MEASURING TAPE OR ANYTHING, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE AT THAT POINT IT WAS PROBABLY A 10 FOOT DROP WALL.
THAT DROP OFF IS OCCURRING THAT ISLAND THAT WE WERE YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF AND THE LEFT OF THAT WHERE, AND THEN IT GETS, IT GETS A LOT, EVEN AS YOU GO FURTHER BACK, IT REALLY GETS STEEP.
AND THAT'S AN AREA WE'RE NOT DEVELOPING.
BUT AT THAT POINT OF WHERE THAT ISLAND IS, THAT WAS WHERE I THOUGHT THE RETAIN WALL WAS IN GENERAL.
AND I SAW THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS CURIOUS WITH THE SIX FOOT FENCE, IT WOULDN'T EVEN COVER A BASE CEMENT RETAIN WALL THAT IT WOULDN'T EVEN REACH THAT HIGH.
ALMOST PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE THAT IN THIS SET, BUT YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT DAVE, WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE TYING BACK BASICALLY TO EXISTING GRADE AT OUR PROPERTY LINE FROM BEHIND THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF OUR PARKING.
WE'VE ELIMINATED OUR RETAINING WALL ON OUR SIDE TO WHERE WE'RE TYING BACK BASICALLY THE ENTIRE BACK HALF OF OUR PROJECT.
WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES TIME BACK MEAN MEANS WE'RE NO.
WE'RE INFILLING YOU GOTTA LEVEL REGRADING IT OUT AND GRADING IT DOWN FROM, FROM EAST TO WEST.
THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT 10 FOOT DROP OFF OUT OF THE PICTURE.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION I, I THINK ORIGINALLY IT'S THIS AREA HERE 'CAUSE IT'S HIGHER TO GET THE CUT IN ACTUALLY COMING DOWN THROUGH HERE.
SO THAT'S PART OF WHERE YOU'LL HAVE YOU LOG THERE THIS BACKSIDE RAISING UP THAT ORIGINALLY THE OTHER THAT I THINK IT'S A GREAT VIEW WHERE YOU SEE THIS THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO SAY IT'S A, YEAH, IT'S AN UP AND DOWN.
IT'S AN UP AND DOWN AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIKE BRING THIS AREA UP THIS SIDE AND WE COME UP INTO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN WE GRADUALLY GO BACK DOWN TO DRAIN OUR STORAGE BACK TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
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SO YOU'RE NO LONGER PUTTING A RETAINING WALL IN? NO, WE ARE.IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THE FULL LENGTH HERE BASICALLY WHERE THE HERE OH OKAY.
ROUGHLY SO THAT THE FENCE GONNA SIT ON TOP OF THE RETAINING WALL.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SITE NEXT TO IT? SO WHAT IS NO, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
SO THE EMPTY LOT THAT'S, THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT FRONT PART RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING'S GOING TO BE BUILT THERE, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT DRIVEWAY IN IS WHERE THE TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ARE.
I, YESTERDAY YOU COULD PUT, YOU COULD DEFINITELY PUT SOMETHING ON THAT SITE THAT'S A COMMERCIAL SITE.
YOU CAN GET SOMETHING ON THERE.
BUT I IMAGINE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'VE, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, WHAT DO YOU THINK GONNA BELONG THERE? UM, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WAS SET IN STONE, BUT I DO THINK IT'S LIKE SOME SORT OF OFFICE BUILDING YOU THE TWO PARCEL ON MEDICAL.
THAT WAS PART OF THE MEDICAL AND ANIMAL MEDICAL AND NOW WE, RIGHT.
IT'S ACTUALLY FAIRLY AT THAT POINT INTO THE, INTO THE DEALERSHIP.
SO, UM, WHY ISN'T THERE ANY LANDSCAPING ON THAT FENCE? FENCE PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL? WE, WE DID HAVE A CONDITION THAT IF THERE WAS ROOM FOR RECALL FOR WHERE THE PC WAS, IF THERE WAS ROOM, THEN WE WOULD EXPECT SOME LANDSCAPE OF SOME SORT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CHANGED, HOW MUCH ROOM IT'S NOT PREVIOUS.
WE HAD LIKE MAYBE FIVE FEET FOR SEPARATION, VERY MINIMAL AND IT WASN'T MUCH THAT WE COULD PUT THERE, UM, FOR THAT FROM A, I THINK FIVE FEET SOMETHING.
RECALL IT'S FIVE FEET BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE TOP OF THE WALL WITH THE FENCE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
SO WE CAN'T PUT A TREE, WE COULD PUT NO, NO IN THE FRONT.
SOMETHING LIKE LOW LINE SHRUBS OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A, IT IT'S A MISSING ELEMENT.
YEAH, I I GUESS SOMETHING IS A LITTLE BIT OF SOFTENING MAY BE MORE DECORATIVE TYPE STUFF I GUESS.
I GUESS WE COULD SEE WHAT HENRICO IS GONNA AND WHAT THEY ANTICIPATE AND I CAN'T IMAGINE IT WILL BE ANYTHING BECAUSE IF THEY DEVELOPED TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP ANY TREES AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE ANYTHING BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL AND A COMMERCIAL USE, UH, FROM A LANDSCAPING ASPECT AS FAR AS THEIR, THEIR NEWEST TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS REQUIREMENTS GO.
I MEAN THE POINT OF THAT FENCE, EXCUSE ME, WAS, I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T QUITE AGREE.
OH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW THE POINT OF THE FENCE, UM, AND THE CHANGE OF IT, WE, WE NEED IT BECAUSE OF THE RETAINING WALL COMPONENT THAT WE HAVE.
THERE IS A SMALL CHANGE IN GRADE AND SO AS FAR AS A BUFFER IS CONCERNED, LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK THAT THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO MAKE THIS MORE ATTRACTIVE FENCE COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, TO THE MAIN ROAD AS OPPOSED WELL IT GIVES VISIBILITY TO THIS BUILDING AS THEY'RE COMING DOWN BROAD STREET FROM THE EAST AS WELL.
SO IT'S AN ADVANTAGE THAT OH YEAH, THERE'S A
FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT COULD THE, THERE'S TRANSITION PULL FORWARD SO THAT THERE'S NOT AS MUCH OF THE INDUSTRIAL PART OF THE BUILDING CHART ALONG WITH POSSIBILITY OF SOME YOU'RE SAYING TAKE THIS AND PULL THIS.
UM, I'M SURE WE COULD FIGURE SOMETHING.
I THINK THE, THE, THE IDEA WITH IT WAS TO TRY TO MAKE THIS FEEL MORE UNIFYING, RIGHT? LIKE THIS IS A YEAH, THIS IS ONE PIECE BOTH OF THESE.
SO ONCE THE COMMERCIAL ON ADDS IN, YOU'RE TRYING NOT, IT FELT STRANGE AS WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS.
WELL IT'S ACTUALLY, I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE THE TRANSITION IS BACK, IT'S PUSHED BACK WHERE WELL, IT'S BACK WHERE THEY'RE PARKING FOR THE HOMES.
LIKE IF IT WERE IN LINE WITH THAT WHERE THE DRIVE COMES IN THERE, RIGHT THERE.
THAT MIGHT MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE TO, TO REALLY CLARIFY BACK HERE.
IT'S RESIDENTIAL, IT'S WEIRD RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S RESIDENTIAL FRONT, BUSINESS FRONT.
IF THAT'S A CONCERN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT AND GET TO.
WE HAVE THE, THE PLANS THAT ARE GONNA COME ON THE, THOSE JOBS AND START TO TRANSITION.
WE CAN TRANSITION THAT WE NEED TO, WE CAN WORK WITH YOU THAT, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND SAME THING IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT UM, LANDSCAPING, THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT ALL OUR, WE REALLY SEE WHAT'S THERE.
I WOULD ADVISE THAT, LIKE WE MENTIONED IT'S
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PROBABLY DRUGS WOULD THING YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SURVIVE THERE.SOME SOMETHING TO SOFTEN IT WOULD BE NICE.
AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'D SAY THAT AND THEN COORDINATE I GUESS PROBABLY WITH WHAT THE PLAN IS THAT RIGHT.
HAS THERE, THEY MAY ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING SORTED IN THE WORKS THAT WE CAN WORK OUT AND ON THEIR BUILDING, I MEAN PRECLUDE FROM SEEING IT ANYWAY.
THING ON THEIR SETBACK AND ONE THEIR BUILDINGS SIT.
WHEN, WHEN THE BUILDING GOES THERE, UM, ON THE FRONT AND THE WILL COMING WESTBOUND ON BROAD STREET, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S A TWO BUILDINGS, IT'S PRETTY SEE EACH OTHER, YOU SEE YOU'RE GONNA SEE THINGS THAT YOU GOING INTO THE DEALERSHIP AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THINGS THAT PETTY EAST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A NICE LANDSCAPE AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, SO HAVING THAT FENCE BY OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE RECO, I THINK THEY JUST HAVE SOME SMALL SHRUBS THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, TIE TO THE FENCE A LITTLE BIT.
LIKE IT WOULD JUST BE A SIMPLE THING TO DO THAT WOULD MAKE IT WITH YOUR GOAL, YOU WANT IT TO ENHANCE THE LOOK.
IT JUST ENHANCES THE LOOK IN A VERY EASY, COST EFFICIENT WAY AND NOT, I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS MATERIAL
SO AGAIN, THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, I GUESS THE FENCE IS PROBABLY JUST TALKING ABOUT HERE, CORRECT.
SO THIS, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS THE FULL MEAN, I CAN SEE WHERE WE WERE ON LANDSCAPE PLANS, BUT THAT WAS, THAT'S CHANGED OPPOSED TO THE TREE AND STUFF HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REALLY PICK OUT, THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF DRUGS THAT GO ALONG THIS LINE.
THEY DON'T JUMP OUT HERE, SO, SO COMPLIMENTARY
AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND AGAIN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FROM, AGAIN, IF, IF THERE WAS ROOM WE WERE GONNA GET SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPE IN THERE THAT TEETH, TREES WOULDN'T BE THERE.
UM, IT WAS PROBABLY IN ALMOST, IT'S BETTER TO SOFTEN THE PC BITS BEFORE, BUT IN THIS SITUATION, UM, IF WE WOULD PROBABLY WORK INTO THE DOWN, SEE HOW IT WORKS AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT FOR THAT KEEP MIND COMING THIS WAY.
THE WALL, I GUESS THE WALL STOPPING AROUND HERE WHERE IT REALLY STARTS TO LEVEL OUT.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT AT, BECAUSE THEN IT STARTS TO DROP.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE WALL STARTS TO GROW AND THE PROPERTY STARTS TO DROP.
OH, CAN I JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR THE RECORD? UM, I MENTIONED THE MEDICAL OFFICE.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT THAT'S TRUE ON THAT SPOT RIGHT THERE.
I HAVE A INFORMATIONAL EARLY PO THAT WAS SENT TO ME AND IT SHOWS LIKE A PARKING AREA IN THAT SITE.
SO I DON'T TAKE THAT WORD FOR, UM, IT COULD BE DEVELOPABLE, BUT DOESN'T WHATEVER POCKET.
BUT I THINK WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHETHER RIGHT.
IS GONNA, I JUST WANTED, I AGREE, BUT I, I SAID SOMETHING, I WON'T TAKE IT BACK.
WELL, THE VETERINARY HOSPITAL, VERY HAPPY AT PARKING.
SO WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THAT ELEMENT IS AND HOW IT WOULD RELATE TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THIS ONE KIND OF SHOWS THAT ON THIS PARKING, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS CHANGED ON, I DON'T KNOW IN TERMS OF TOPICS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALSO RELEVANT TO THIS LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED.
AND WHEN IS THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS
SO IT IS PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION, JUST LIKE WE HAD SOMEONE BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY COMMENT, DID YOU ALL, DID YOU SEE THIS LETTER FROM THE GO? I DID.
THEY, THEY'VE SENT A LETTER PRETTY MUCH BEFORE.
SO WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS? WELL, AGAIN, I MEAN, I THINK I, I TRIED TO ADDRESS THIS BEFORE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT HIM, WRITE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS DOWN BROAD STREET, YOU GO EAST TO WEST AND YOU, YOU GO WEST BROAD VILLAGE, YOU GO TO GREEN GATE, YOU GO TO THE SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THEY HAVE PARKING RIGHT ON TOP OF, OF THE HOMES.
WE, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TRIED TO DO HERE WAS TO SHOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THEY'VE ORIENTED THIS, WE, THIS TEAM HAS PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THE VIEWS FROM HENRICO.
I'M NOT SURE HENRICO PUT A TON OF EFFORT INTO THE VIEWS FROM GUCCI WHEN, WHEN YOU WENT ACROSS THE LINE THE OTHER WAY.
SO I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DO A LOT OF WORK IN RECO ON, YOU KNOW, WE READ THAT, WE READ THAT LETTER.
WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A LOT TO ADDRESS THE
BUT WHEN WE GOT THIS LETTER, I WAS KIND OF LAUGHING BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT ASKING THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT ON THE SIDE THERE, WHERE THERE'S THAT ROW OF PARKING WITH TREES AND SMALL THINGS.
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MAYBE IT WOULD BE A BETTER BUFFER TO HAVE THAT WHOLE ROW TREES AS HE'S SUGGESTING THERE, OR TREES OR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE MORE OF A BUFFER AND MAYBE ALSO GIVE THE TREES A BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVAL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN SMALL ISLANDS.BECAUSE THE, THE TREES THAT THEY HAVE, THEY'RE PRETTY SMALL RIGHT NOW AND THE RIGHT SIDE.
AND WHEN THEY GET BIG, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SCREENING DOWN LOW.
THAT MIGHT BE SCREENING UP HIGH, WHICH WILL BENEFIT THE PARKING AREA.
LIKE IF YOU'RE FAR AWAY LOOKING AT IT, BUT UP CLOSE, IT'S NOT GOING TO DO MUCH SCREENING.
UM, WHEREAS TREES ON ALONG THIS ROW, INSTEAD OF IT'S 20 SPOTS THERE, UM, WE DO A LOT MORE.
AND THEN YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO AWAY WITH THOSE ISLANDS AT THE END.
SO YOU'RE NOT LOSING THAT MANY SPOTS.
YOU'RE GAINING A LOT OF SCREENING.
SO I THINK MY POINT, WE, WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH STAFF, UM, A COUPLE OF, A COUPLE TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE PULLED UP GOOGLE EARTH AND I THINK GREEN GATE'S PROBABLY THE BEST EXAMPLE OF GREEN GATE.
THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION.
WELL, THEY HAVE EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPE.
YOU'VE GOT, YEAH, BUT YOU'VE GOT FOUR STORY TOWN HOMES THAT'S EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPE TO LIKE PROPOSED GREEN GATE THAT COME OUT ON TWO MASSIVE SEAS OF PARKING.
SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GONNA BE CANDID.
I I DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE COMMENTS HERE.
I THINK THAT THIS IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL USE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
SO THEY, THEY, HEAH HAS BEEN IN THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY IS FOR COMMERCIAL.
UM, THEY HAD PREVIOUS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT WERE APPROVED FROM THIS THAT DIDN'T GO FORWARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT A, A TON OF THOUGHT AND, AND UM, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS AND PUBLIC INPUT STAFF INPUT HAS SORT OF GONE INTO THIS.
UM, I THINK THAT THE VIEWS AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE WAY THESE BUILDINGS ARE ORIENTED, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOWN HOMES IN THE FRONT, THERE'S TWO END GATES THAT HAVE WINDOWS LOOKING, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THIS PROPERTY.
YOU HAVE TO MOVE FARTHER BACK TO GET ONE ROW OF HOMES THAT, THAT SORT OF HAS A VIEW ON THE PARKING AREA.
SO THIS IS NOT SORT OF, UH, SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS THAT ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SMALL ROW OF TOWN HOMES HERE.
AND I THINK THAT, THAT WE PUT, UH, JUST A LOT OF EFFORT AND A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO SCREWING THIS IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY.
AND JOANNE, UM, JAMES, I WON'T BE TOO INSULT.
UM, WHAT IS YOUR, UM, RESPONSE TO THE PROGRAM FROM A PLANNER PERSPECTIVE, DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE VALLAY AND TRYING TO DO SOME THINGS THAT YOU ARTICULATED THE SOUND FROM THE GET GO? THE, UH, NO, I WAS GONNA SAY I WOULD HAVE USE THOSE COUPLE MORE TIMES WE DISCUSSED IT, BUT I MEAN, I, IF YOU DON'T HIT MY POINTS, I'LL, I'LL, OH, OKAY.
WELL PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONSIDERATION IS, IS THAT WE DID GO AHEAD, UM, AND ADMINISTRATIVE CURRENTLY TO IT FOR THE BUFFER FOR THIS BECAUSE OF THE SITE TOPOGRAPHY DESIGN AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS ALREADY PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BACK IN 2015.
SO, SO IT WAS ESTABLISHED AS A COMMERCIAL AND IT HAS THE ORIGINAL ROAD WENT ALONG IS ESSENTIAL HERE.
UM, SO BECAUSE THAT PREVIOUS APPROVAL, WHICH WE CAN PULL IT UP TO SHOW YOU, BUT BASICALLY THE BUILDING SAT PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE IT IS AND IT HAD LIKE AN ENTRANCE AND UH, SORT OF A ROAD AND RIGHT ALONG AND LIKE A, UM, BOUNDARY.
UM, SO YOU KNOW THAT OF COURSE THAT PREDATED THE OVERLAY.
SO WHAT WE DID IS TO THIS THE SITE TYPE OF THING WE DID THROUGH THE ACTIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE, 'CAUSE IT WAS THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION SAY, IS HOW DO WE MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS OF THE VIEWS TO THE SET OF POSSIBLE, NOT JUST DIFFERENT CONSIDERATION OF THAT IMPACT ON THAT, BUT ALSO WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE IMPACT OF, OF, WE SAID FOR ANOTHER PROPERTY WITHIN IN HOUSTON COUNTY, MORGAN ARANCO COUNTY.
UM, AND SO PART OF THAT WAS KIND OF THE, THIS LAYOUT AND THE NOT HAVING A BUFFERING LAB WAS SORT OF, LET'S SAY BAKED IN THE SAUCE WHAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE ZONING REVIEW AND THE SITE LAYOUT THAT THE BOARD APPROVED.
UM, SO THINGS AFTER THAT WERE REALLY, HOW DO WE DO THE MINIMIZATION OF VIEW, SOFTEN THE APPEARANCE, HOW DO
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WE MAKE THE AESTHETICS OF THIS PROPERTY BE SOMETHING THAT IS THAT THAT WE WOULD MEET EXPECTATION FORUM, YOU KNOW, I THINK AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS TRIED TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERNS, I THEY'VE BEEN FROM WORKING WITH THAT THEY NOT TENDING TO THE OPTIONS.
I THINK WHAT THE PROBLEM IS IS THEIR VERY LIMITATIONS ABOUT WHERE THAT ROAD BASICALLY WAS APPROVED OF THE WORK IS SO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY AND BY THE TOP OF GRAPHICAL CONCERNS FOR THE DEDUCTIVE DESIGN ITSELF, THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF ROOM LEFT IN THEIR SITE.
AND SORT OF THE CONSTRAINTS FOR THEM TO KIND OF ADDRESS THE OTHER LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS THAT WOULD, I DON'T DISAGREE, MAYBE IN HANDSET, UM, OR PROTECTION.
BUT THINK IN RECO SIDE, AS YOU SEE THE PICTURES THAT PARKING IS, IS PRETTY CLOSE ON THE WEATHER BEING SET BACK.
SO THE POD THAT I HAVE DOES NOT HAVE IT.
UM, I DO KNOW, AND AGAIN, AS RAY SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS PREDATED, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT IN RECORD.
SO THEY, THEY BUILT THE, THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL KNOWING THAT IT WAS A COMMERCIAL SITE AS WELL WITH THE APPROVED, UM, UH, LANDSCAPING OR REMOVED FROM THE PREVIOUS CASE.
UM, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE, THE PART YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FRONT, UM, WAS NOT A MAJOR PART OF OUR DISCUSSION.
OUR MAIN DISCUSSION WAS TRYING TO PROTECT THE, UM,
I MEAN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY FILL THE WALL OF THE HEIGHT OF THE, UM, PARKING VENT, BASICALLY SCREAM IT COMPLETELY.
SO MINIMIZING IT WAS IMPORTANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, 'CAUSE IT WASN'T JUST IN LETTERS.
WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, SOME OF THE STAFF IN, IN HE COUNTY AND SOME OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS WERE LIKE EVEN, YOU KNOW, CONTACT STANLEY MARK AND SEE IF YOU CAN PUT SOME LANDSCAPING ON THEIR SIDE.
SO THEY WERE, THEY, THEY WERE LIKE REALLY UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD VERY LIMITED, UM, OPTIONS ON OUR SITE BASED ON THE SITE.
SO THOSE WERE JUST SOME OF THE, THE STAS TAPE, THEY, WHAT IT'S WORTH.
UM, THEY HAVE A, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE SITTING THERE TALKING WITH THEM, THE TREES THAT WERE ADDED ACTUALLY ARE IMPROVEMENT THAN UH, WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY THINK.
MR. CASTELLO, I ASSUME YOU'RE AWARE THAT THE FACT THAT THERE WOULD ONLY BE FIVE FEET BEFORE THE STARTED ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT WAS DISCUSSED BEFORE THE BOARD AND THE FACT WAS THE CONDITION OF
AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, PART OF MY, MY INQUIRY IS GIVEN YOU HAD THE DIALOGUE WITH MICHAEL, THEY KNEW ABOUT THIS PROJECT BEFORE THEY PUT THE WHATEVER, I'M ASSUMING THEY DID THE RESEARCH.
UM, BUT THEY CONTINUED AS RECENTLY AS JULY 15TH, RIGHT? MONDAY, MONDAY CONTINUING TO ISSUE A LETTER WITH SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY TARGETED.
THEY, THEY WANT TO CONSIDER INCREASED
THEY'RE ALLOW ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE ACROSS THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE SUGGESTING THE REMOVAL OF A ROAD OF UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR AN ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE
AND ALSO I THINK THE POINT THAT STRUCK ME IS KEEPING IN MIND WITH THEIR BUFFER STANDARDS AND NEAR ZONE ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK PUTIN WANTS TO HAVE LOWER DEVELOPMENT CORPORATE STANDARDS.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WANT THESE HAVE, I MEAN PARTICULARLY IN THE OLD DISTRICT, WE WANNA FIRE STUDENTS IN DISTRICT NOT
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME.
AND I GUESS THE TIMING OF IT AS WELL.
IT'S LIKE WHY WAS THIS, WHY IS THIS CONTINUING TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED FORMALLY? AND I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THE, THIS, ITS BEHIND IT AND I DON'T KNOW IF JB CAN EXPLAIN BECAUSE I, I CERTAINLY CAN'T.
BUT IT, IT, WHAT'S CURIOUS TO ME ABOUT IT IS THEY'RE ASKING FOR 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO COMPLY WITH THEIR STANDARDS, BUT THE PROPERTY IN THEIR COUNTY WAS NOT DEVELOPED FOR THAT.
SO HOW IS A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE STANDARD? AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS 'CAUSE IT'S THEIR ORDINANCE, BUT THEIR STANDARD WHEN THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY DON'T APPEAR TO HAVE COMPLIED WITH THAT STANDARD ON THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY DID.
WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT THINKING THAT'S HOW I READ THAT.
I THINK THAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE IN THE AREA OF THE SITE CLOSEST
NOT KEEPING THEIR, I DUNNO THAT SAYING 20 FOOT THE BUFFER STANDARD.
I THINK THEY'RE JUST TRYING CLOSE.
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I'M NOT SURE.I MEAN I'VE BEEN ON SITE AND UM, HECO DOES HAVE VERY ROBUST, UM, UH, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ON THE FRONTAGE OF BROAD STREET.
UM, THEY'RE BASICALLY JUST STREET TREES EVERY A HUNDRED FEET.
OH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS MAKING THE POINT.
I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT, AT SHORT PUMP, THE WHOLE CAR, SHORT PUMP, IT IS EXTREMELY LANDSCAPED.
I MEAN IT IS VERY, VERY DENSELY THAT'S GROWING.
IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO LOOK MORE PARK-LIKE.
AND THEN I THINK WHEN YOU GET TO THIS POINT, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S THE TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, FURTHER EAST ON BROAD STREET BUILD BACK IN SEVENTIES NATIVES.
AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF BROAD STREET, I MEAN WE HAVE KILLED IT ON THE FRONT.
AS FAR AS, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING OTHERWISE, I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT TYING THIS TOGETHER, WE, WE'VE UM, THROUGH THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL AND THE DISCUSSIONS FOR A LANDSCAPE PROCESS, WE DON ONLY, WE REQUIRE ADDITIONAL UPPER GROWING SHRUBS.
WE'VE ALSO PUT IN A LEVEL OF WHICH WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT MAINTAINING THOSE SHRUBS LONG TERM.
AND THAT'S ALL PART OF THE DESIGN THAT WE SORT OF WORK THROUGH DESIGN.
SO WE WILL HAVE A ACTUALLY PRETTY ROBUST PLUS A LOW WALL THROUGH HERE, LIKE THE WALLS.
THIS WILL BE MORE IN CHARACTER WITH WHAT I HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP ENGAGEMENT.
AND IT'LL ALSO EQUIVALENT TO THAT THERE HAVE, WELL, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PICTURE AGAIN JUST 'CAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SOUND FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE THAT WHAT RIKO WAS ASKING IT'S CONSIDERATION.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME STEPS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE JUST REVIEWED DECENTLY, UM, ABOUT WHAT HE'S DONE WITH THE SIX FOOT FENCE OF THESE DIFFERENT TREES.
AND I, I GET YOUR ALARM DIG, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO IS IF I'M IN THE TOWNHOUSES AND I LOOK AT THESE FOUR OR FIVE TREES YOU HAVE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, THE PARKING KIND OF ISLANDS WHERE THOSE TREES OVER TIME YOU WOULD EVENTUALLY BLOCK SOME OF THAT OUT, JUST THE ANGLES.
SO I GET THAT SOME THOUGHT INTO THAT.
UM, THE ONLY, THE ONLY SUGGESTION I WOULD THROW OUT AND MAYBE IN THE SPIRIT OF, OF COUNTY COOPERATION THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU COULD GO BACK TO AND SAY, HEY, WE MADE AN EFFORT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CHANGE THIS TO THE EXTENT YOU WANT AND BUT, BUT HERE'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DONE AND BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE AND SHOW THEM.
AND WHAT I WOULD THINK IN THAT REGARD IS I WOULD, I WOULD START WITH THAT BROAD STREET CORNER WITH THAT BLACK BROAD IRON FENCE.
IT'S A LOW FENCE, IT'S ONLY THREE FEET AND IT SAID WHERE YOU DID SOME WORK, UM, ON THE FRONT PART OF BROAD STREET WITH LOW STROKES, BUT PROBABLY NOT GONNA GO TO THE HIGH THAN THREE FEET.
WELL I SAID IF IF THERE'S ROOM, THEN IT WOULD BE LIKELY IT WOULD BE SOME SORT OF DECORATIVE THAT DOESN'T REALLY PROVIDE SCREENING, BUT WE COULD, NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LAYOUT, WE COULD JUST, YEAH, I WOULD JUST TRYING TO DO SOMETHING MAYBE THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TREES THAT ARE SPECIFIC IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, I WOULD TRY TO MAKE IT A MORE ROBUST, COULD BE JUST SOMETHING BETWEEN THE TREES, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT, UH, SO IT JUST LOOKS A LITTLE BIT NICER.
I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT'S BEEN SAVED BUT NOT HOW TO BUILD A PARKING.
AND I THINK THAT WE DO WANT TO HAVE ROBUST LANDSCAPING, NOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TO THE EXTENT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S STONE WALLS AND STUFF IN THE FRONT, BUT TO HAVE LOW LYING SHRUBS AND DONE IN A NICE WAY WOULD MAYBE HELPS HELP WITH THE HENRICO ISSUE.
UH, YEAH, WE WANT, WE WANT YEAH.
BE GOOD THERE AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN EASY WAY TO DO IT AND IT, IT'S A WIN-WIN.
YOU CAN HAVE A MORE ATTRACTIVE PROPERTY FOR ANOTHER HIGH COST AND IT, I JUST THINK IT, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I UNDERSTAND IT TOO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, HERE, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP, I'M GLAD TO HELP.
UM, I I WILL SAY FIRST STEP IS HERE, NOT HAVING THE PARKING DECK I THINK WAS GONNA BE A LOT BETTER TO THEM TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, NUMBER TWO, IF THERE'S SOME MORE LANDSCAPING WE NEED TO DO THERE, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS IT EVEN AFTER, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE'VE OPENED UP TOO.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT AFTER A BUILDING GOES THERE OR A PARKING STRUCTURE GOES THERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE THE INTEREST OF, UH, HOUSTON COUNTY.
AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW HOW, I DON'T INTERACT WITH THESE FOLKS, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU WORK WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, COHORT AND STUFF, SO DOES THAT HELP? I MEAN, IF YOU CAN GO BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT SURE.
AND IF I COULD JUST SORT OF EXPLAIN ONE MORE THING BECAUSE I THINK JUST TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT, 'CAUSE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THIS DURING THE ZOOM.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS WHEN WE FIRST CAME IN, WHEN JOEY, WHEN WE FIRST HAD THIS MEETING, UM, JOEY WAS SHARING A LOT OF SITES AROUND INCLUDING OTHER SITES IN
AND THAT WAS A HARD NOTE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
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2 88 ESPECIALLY THINGS LIKE THIS.UM, SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP WAS, WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE SITE.
THIS WAS A REALLY, REALLY CHALLENGING SITE.
UM, BILL, BILL AND ANDREW ESPECIALLY WILL TELL YOU BECAUSE OF THAT HUGE SEWER EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE GRAPHIC UP NOW, BUT IT'S SEVERELY DISTRICTS WHERE WE CAN PUT BUILDINGS AND, AND WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CAN.
AND SO THE, THE TIGHTNESS OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF THE SITE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET RID OF THE PARKING DECK, WHICH I THINK WAS A HUGE WIN FOR SO MANY PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T WANT TO SEE IT.
BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM, UM, WITH, WITH WHAT'S LEFT.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THE REQUEST FOR AN ADDITIONAL 20 FOOT BUFFER WHILE IN, IN A VACUUM, IT SEEMS LIKE, HEY, IT'S A SMALL REQUEST YOU'RE SAVING A LOT OF MONEY BY, BY NOT BUILDING A PARKING DECK.
BUT WE CAN'T, WE, WE DO THAT IF WE COULD, BUT THESE GUYS WILL TELL YOU THE SITE DOESN'T ALLOW IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN.
JOEY IS VERY CLEAR AND JUST REITERATED HE'S GONNA DO IT WHATEVER MORE HE CAN AS FAR AS PUTTING ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS IN.
BUT YOU KNOW, MR, I JUST WANTED YOU TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE, THE, THE CONTEXT AND ALL THE BACKGROUND ON THE SITE ITSELF AND SORT OF WHY WE'RE, WHY WE'RE PUSHING BACK SO MUCH ON, YOU KNOW, THE THIS THIS EASTERN EDGE AND WHAT WE CAN DO AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO MAY NOT BE WHAT WE CAN DO GIVEN THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, GIVEN THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE TOPOGRAPHY ALSO PLAYED A ROLE.
I MEAN THE, EVEN AT THE FIVE FOOT SET BACK OF THE SLOPE, THERE WAS LOAD AND NOTHING THEY COULD PLANT THAT LIVE ON THERE.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOME OF MY CONCERNS AT THE FRONT.
BUT IF IT CAN BE ACHIEVED AND ESPECIALLY THEN P WITH THE PVC FENCE GOING ON WAY DOWN THERE BE BASICALLY THINGS DON'T REALLY GROW VERY WELL, YOU GOTTA HAVE DIFFERENT SPACING FROM THAT.
WE ALSO WEREN'T REALLY SURE WHAT TYPE, UNTIL WE REALLY GET INTO FINAL PD APPROVAL AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REMAINDER IS, WHETHER WE REALLY NEED FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION OF THAT A LITTLE BIT EASIER WITH THE, THE ROD IRON.
I MEAN THE ALUMINUM FENCE LOOKS LIKE ROD IRON, UM, AND WHERE YOUR TRANSITION OF YOUR RETAINING WALL IS NOT AS TALL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I COULD DO IS IF, IF YOU WANTED TO SET STAB OR EXPLORE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, UM, WITHIN YOUR BOUNDARIES, THAT FRONT OF THE AREA, CAN I ASK JUST A TOUGH QUESTION AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE A, A CEMENT PATH BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE WHAT I ISN'T THE MAIN WAY TO DRIVE IN AND OUT OF THE BACK PARKING LOT ON THE WEST SIDE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A FIRE, ALLOW FIRE TRUCKS AROUND IT'S FIRE.
IT'S A FIRE LANE, IT'S A FIRE LANE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING 26 FOOT WIDE FIRE LANE ON THE BUILDING THAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS SO MUCH OF WHAT SITE, BECAUSE WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR PREVIOUSLY THAT ACCESS WAS THERE, WE STILL REALLY STILL NEED IT, UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE SITE AND FEEL THE FIRE AND STUFF DIDN'T HAVE TO BE THERE.
AND, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE EASTERN BORDER IS JUST THE ASSUMPTION THAT TO DATE THE SOUTHERN BORDER BACKED UP TO UNDEVELOPABLE LAND.
UM, YEAH, AND PART OF THAT WE COULD EXPLAIN.
SO THE, ORIGINALLY THE PARKING DECK CAME ABOUT RIGHT HERE AT THE END OF THIS, THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE.
UM, AND WE COULD LOOK AT ANOTHER OTHER THING.
THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, IT IS AN AREA THAT I THINK THERE'S UM, THERE'S A TRAIL THAT GOES, PART OF THE HECO SIDE OF IT IS, SO IT IS LIKE A ENVIRON, THERE'S A WETLANDS.
IT NORMALLY DID THE, UH, GATEWAY SQUARE.
THEY PUT IN ALL KINDS OF TRAILS, SO I GUESS HAVE THE CREEK BOARDWALK.
SO I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT.
AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER CLIENT IN ANOTHER AREA, BUT THEY'VE GOT LONG TUCK CREEK, THEY'VE GOT THAT BOARDWALK PROJECT GOING AND BEHIND THE SITE ADJACENT TO US, BASICALLY BEHIND OUR SIDE AND BEHIND THE PUMP HOUSE IS PART OF THAT WHOLE THING.
AND I GUESS THAT S THE NEED FOR ANY TYPE OF BUFFERS ON THE SOUTH AND THE WESTERN SIDE BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY NATURAL BUFFERS ON THE SOUTH AND YOU, BECAUSE OF THE PUMP HOUSE AND THE FLOOD PLAIN, YOU HAVE NATURAL BUFFERS.
AND YOU GET TECHNICAL FOLLOW THE BUFFERING.
UM, WE HAD ONE, IT, IT'S, YOU CAN SEE HOW TREATED IT IS BACK HERE NATURALLY, UM, FOR THE SITE AND THE CELL CARRIER.
SO WE'VE GOT IT COVERED UP AND IT'S A PRETTY NATURAL AREA.
SO THAT IS THE WAY THE PROPERTY COMES DOWN IN AMERICA, DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FEATURES THAT ARE BACK BEHIND IT THAT THEY USED WORK BACK.
THOSE LINES THAT ARE COVERING UP OR ACTUALLY
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YOU SEE THEIR, UM, AND THEN YEAH, SO DISTINCTION IS AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF, SO THAT SOUTHERN ELEVATION HAS CHANGED, UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT.UM, THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT OF COURSE THAT IT, THE WHOLE PARKING DECK CAME HERE.
NOW OF COURSE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS, IS MUCH SHALLOWER.
UM, FOR THAT, UM, IF YOU WERE CONCERNED OR THAT WAS, MAKE SURE WE GET THAT SQUARED AWAY, WHICH YOU'RE IMPROVING.
UM, ORIGINAL SOUTHERN ELEVATION, PART OF THAT WAS THE PARKING DECK AND ALL THE OTHER FEATURES ON TOP OF IT.
UM, BUT NOW WE ARE PROPOSED ELEVATION.
IT DOES HAVE THE MATERIAL VARIATIONS, THE COLOR SCHEME AND THINGS.
SO IT HAS THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WE LOOK FOR THIS BIO APPROVAL OF THIS ELEVATION.
THE GOOD PORTION OF THIS, THERE'S NO PENETRATIONS ON THIS SIDE PIECE.
AND THEN WHERE THE PENETRATIONS ARE, BASICALLY THE AREAS THAT ARE REALLY RETAINING MALL AND STUFF IS ON THE EASTERN SIDE.
UM, AND THEN ON THE WESTERN SIDE, UM, YEAH, WE, WE CARRY CONTINUOUS SIMILAR ELEMENTS ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE ALONG THE BACK AS FAR AS THE REVEALS AND THE COLOR SCHEME AND MAKE IT ALL BLEND.
SO IT, IT'S BASICALLY, AND THEN THE LAWN.
AND WE HAVE THE WALL WOULD'VE THE SAME MATERIALS IN THE HERE, NOBODY'S BACK THERE TO LOOK AT IT PARTICULARLY.
YEAH, THERE'S, IT'S NATURAL TREES WILL PROBABLY BE RIGHT.
THERE, I MEAN THERE'S A SLIGHT ANGLE TO TO THEY'RE GETTING A SIDE ANGLE ONTO THEIR REAR, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT THE NUISANCE FACTOR TO CARE OR ANYTHING.
SORRY, JUST DO MIND, EVERY CASE IS CONSIDERED A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
WE DON'T SET PRECEDENT WITH NOT HAVING TO REQUIRE ANYTHING ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OR ARE WE GOING DOWN THAT ROAD HERE WHERE THE NEXT BEQUEST COMES IN AND THEY SAID, WELL WHAT THE HONDA DEALERSHIP DID.
YOU GET A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXCEPTIONS, ALL KINDS OF LEEWAY.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE SAME THING.
UM, THAT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT A GIVEN FOR BOARD DECISIONS, WHICH ARE TRULY THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION OF A GOVERNING BODY.
UM, THE DRCI HAVEN'T EVER REVIEWED TO DETERMINE TO HAVE THAT SAME LEGISLATIVE POWER.
BUT YOU COME BACK TO WHAT IS HEAVY A LAW, REAL ESTATE LAW, WHICH IS EVERY PIECE OF REAL ESTATE IS DIFFERENT.
AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN FAMILIAR, SOMETIMES IF SOMEBODY REACHES A REAL ESTATE AGREEMENT TO YOU AND SAYS THE SELLER GOES, I I'M GONNA SELL IT TO YOU, THE LAW WOULD RECOGNIZE YOUR RIGHT TO POTENTIALLY FORCE THAT SELLER TO, TO SELL IT TO YOU BECAUSE THAT REAL ESTATE IS UNIQUE.
SOME OTHER PIECE OF REAL ESTATE IS NOT WORTH IT.
NOW THAT RARELY HAPPENS AND THANK GOODNESS, BUT THAT IS THAT OVERARCHING BELIEF ABOUT REAL ESTATE BECAUSE IT IS ALL DIFFERENT AND ALL SEPARATE.
AND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT HERE, AGAIN, YOU'VE BEEN ASKED TO CONSIDER THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE SIZE AND SO FORTH OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND YOU'D SAY, WELL WHEN ARE WE EVER GONNA SEE A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH THIS TOPOGRAPHY, WITH THE WETLANDS, WITH THE BOOSTER STAPLE, WITH THE EASEMENT? ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER IN DECIDING THIS.
SO YES, I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT REAL ESTATE IS UNIQUE.
THIS REAL ESTATE IN PARTICULAR IS SHOWING YOU TOPOGRAPHY SIZE AND OTHER CONFIGURATIONS THAT CAUSE IT TO NEED RELIEF FROM THE DESIGN OF YOUR CAMPAIGN.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CHANGE IT.
THE HAIR'S BREADTH FROM WHAT THE BOARD SAYS.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE THE FULL LEGISLATIVE POWERS.
SO LET ME THINK ABOUT THESE FINAL, THESE VOTES ARE WRITTEN HOW, YOU KNOW, CAN WE REFLECT IN THE VOTE THAT DUE TO THE UNIQUE TOPOGRAPHY, EVERYTHING THAT ERIC JUST SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING THESE EXCEPTIONS TO THE OVERLAY STAND AND THEY CAN BE GIVING US LEEWAY TO THESE THINGS.
SO IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO THIS.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO I RESEARCHED THIS QUITE A BIT.
IT CAME INTO OUR, AND UM, SO THE, IN THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE IS DESIGN COMMITTEE AND TARA, HER CREDIT, UM, STATED IT WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT, I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, BUT IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY IN THE APPLICATION OF THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO DISTRICT, THE DESIRE REVIEW COMMITTEE MAY GRANT REASONABLE DEVIATIONS FROM THE DESIGN STANDARD WITH THE SITE'S TOPOGRAPHY CONFIGURATION AND OTHER UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES PREVENT FULL COMPLIANCE OF REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WERE AND THAT, THAT'S UNDER YOUR POWERS AND DUTIES OF THIS DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SECTION 15 DASH FOUR.
HOW I, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THE ATTORNEY THAT
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WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY IS UNIQUE TO THIS PROPERTY.AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO, TO DESCRIBE SOME OF THE BACKGROUND AND THE CONTEXT OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
AND IT'S MY, IN MY OPINION THAT IF YOU DID WHAT MICAH WAS ASKING AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A 20 FOOT BUFFER IN THE SITE, THAT THE SITE WOULD BE UNDEVELOPABLE AT LEAST THAT BECAUSE IT HAS SO MANY CHALLENGES.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF COST THAT'S GOING INTO THE, TO THE, UM, SITE WORK ON THIS LOCATION.
SO ONLY CERTAIN USES, UM, HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF, OF RECOVERING THAT CAPITAL INVESTMENT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T, I DON'T EXPLAIN ALL THAT TO, TO SORT OF SHOW HOW MUCH JOE'S SPENDING ON THIS, BUT IT'S TO, TO EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE IN HERE ASKING FOR THESE THINGS TO, TO MR. CASTELLO.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THE DECISIONS OF THIS FILE, WHICH THIS IS THE ONE THAT FROM DECEMBER SPEED, IT CAME OUT IN JANUARY, REFLECT THAT STANDARD IN EVERY, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL.
BUT THAT IS WHY ON YOUR STAFF REPORT, IT'S LIKE THE SECOND PARAGRAPH.
THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DECIDING.
SO DECISION THAT PROVES THIS IS DECIDING STANDARDS.
SO, AND I JUST, BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE, BUT HAVING TO VIEW WHAT THE APPROVAL SAYS FROM THE PAST, BUT UNDERSTAND THIS APPROVAL IS SUBJECT TO YOU CAN ONLY FIND, YOU CAN ONLY APPROVE IT THOSE STANDARDS.
BUT I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR STAFF, BUT THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE APPROVAL LETTER.
THAT IS THE STANDARD DECISION.
YEAH, I, I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO ITERATE, YOU KNOW, THAT
UM, AND I THINK TOO, GOING BACK TO LIKE THE MICHAEL LETTER, UM, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THE ADMINISTRATIVE YOU TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE LANDSCAPE CLIENT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, JUST LOOK AT THAT FENCE BEING PUSHED BACK AS A SUGGESTED PUSH FURTHER, UH, TOWARDS BROAD STREET.
YOU KNOW, FIGURING OUT SOME TYPE OF MINIMAL, UM, I DON'T SAY MINIMAL, BUT KIND OF COMPLIMENTARY ROLE ON SOMETHING THAT SURVIVE, THAT WILL SURVIVE.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THE OTHER THING TOO IS IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO HENRICO KIND ALONG WITH THIS.
SAY, HEY WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A MEETING GIVEN CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE THINGS, PUSH THEM A LITTLE BIT, GO BACK TO STANLEY MAR 'CAUSE I WALKED THAT PROPERTY YESTERDAY AND BETWEEN THAT END OF THAT PARKING LOT WHERE THE
AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE IF HEY, WE
UM, 'CAUSE THEIR TREES, IF YOU REMOVE THAT CURRENT, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL WOOD LINE, THE TWO FREE TREES THAT ARE THERE NOW, THEY KIND OF DYING.
IT IT, AS SOON AS THAT BULLDOZER COMES THROUGH, AS SOON AS YOU STOP THE DIRT ON, YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF CALLS, IT'S GOING, YOU NEED TO ANTICIPATE THAT AND HAVE COMMUNICATIONS READY SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND PRETTY QUICKLY BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE MADE ALL THESE STEPS.
IN FACT WE RECOMMENDED THAT IT MIGHT GO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS TO TRY TO MITIGATE IT.
THAT WAS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION THING RIGHT THERE AS WELL.
AND THEY WERE SAYING YOU HAD THE DEVELOPER WORKED WITH
SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS TO MAKE 'EM DO IT, BUT IF THEY'RE GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM THEIR, UH, THEIR CITIZENS OR FROM THE HOMEOWNERS, MIGHT THE HOMEOWNERS A MAY DECIDE, I DUNNO, HOA, BUT THEY MAY DECIDE TO DO THEIR OWN, TAKE THEIR OWN INITIATIVE AND DO SOMETHING REALLY NEEDS PROBABLY MATTER THE DEVELOPER, RIGHT? I GUESS YOU KNOW, THE, THAT PART BY THE PARKING LOT IS THAT'S STILL A CONCERN.
AND HE'S SAYING 20 FEET MAYBE 'CAUSE HE'S LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF THE PARKING SPACES OR SOMETHING.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S 20 FEET, BUT MAYBE THERE'S, MAYBE SOME BUFFER COULD BE ALONG THAT BACK SECTION TO PROVIDE BETTER SCREENING OF THE PARKING LOT THAN JUST THE FENCE AND A FEW TREES THAT ARE SHOWING UP ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WOULD PROVIDE, UM, TO, TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR ON THAT AND GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BUFFER.
UM, AND, AND MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE SO THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS DON'T HATE YOU
UM, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE PARKING AREA TO HAVE SOME, SOME TREES ALONG THAT BACK AREA WHERE THEY'VE GOT THE THREE TREES BUT EXTEND THE WHOLE THING.
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AND MAYBE, MAYBE THEY COULD DO AWAY WITH IT END ISLAND AND HAVE MORE PARKING THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE SCREENING AND MORE ABILITY FOR THOSE TREES TO SURVIVE IF THEY'RE IN A BIGGER AREA THAT'S NOT PAID.UM, AND IT WOULD BE MAYBE SHADED A LITTLE BIT AT THE BOTTOM LINE FENCE, BUT UM, HOPEFULLY THEY CAN SURVIVE.
BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S WORTH LOOKING AT IS SOMETHING THAT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDSCAPED ON THAT SIDE.
I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER HOW BIG THOSE, THOSE THREE ISLANDS ARE ON THE EDGE.
20 FEET FEET, LIKE ONE IN THE CORNER AND IT'S LIKE THREE PARKING SPACES AND THOSE ARE 18 FEET DEEP.
YEAH, 35 THE SIZE OF THE PARKING, SO RIGHT.
SO IF IT'S 18 FEET IT GOES TO THE LENGTH AND ELIMINATE THOSE OTHER FOUR THINGS AND HAVE FEW MORE PARKING.
IS YOUR INTENTION, IS YOUR INTENTION TO TRY AND KEEP THE EXISTING VEGETATION? NO.
WELL I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY EXISTING VEGETATION ONCE YOU'RE BUILDING IN THAT.
BUT TO ADD VEGETATION ALONG FROM, FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WHERE YOU HAVE THAT FIRST ISLAND THAT GETS THE, THE WALL IF YOU WILL, AGAINST THE BORDER AND HAVE IT GO THE WHOLE LENGTH THERE INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING THREE LITTLE ISLANDS.
I THINK THE ONE THING THAT I'M THINKING OF AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS IF WE INCREASE THIS THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND PUSH THAT EDGE OF THE PARKING FURTHER IN, WHAT WE'RE ALSO DOING IS TAKING THOSE FOUR LARGE TREES AND THOSE FOUR ISLAND AND PUSHING THOSE IN ALSO.
WELL I WELL WHAT I'M THINKING IS MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED THOSE.
YEAH, BECAUSE IF YOU HAD PARKING, IF YOU HAD SCREENING THE WHOLE LENGTH ON THIS SIDE, THAT'S A NATURAL AREA, THEN YOU DON'T NEED THOSE OTHER ONES AS A POSSIBILITY.
I DON'T, I WOULD LEAVE IT TO STAFF TO SAY, HEY, YOU'RE CRAZY.
BUT UM, BUT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WHERE YOU RECLAIM SOME SPACES BUT YOU'VE GOT A MUCH MORE CONSISTENT BUFFER FROM THE NEIGHBORS PARKING IN LINE PARKING THERE.
WE MOVE THAT WHOLE LINE THERE.
WE REDEEM THAT PARKING THERE MINIMUM OR MINIMUM TWO.
I THINK WE'RE TALKING MEAN MEAN AS I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR THING, THERE'S A NICE, THERE'S DEPTH TO IT RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE'S NOT ALL THE TREES ARE IN A LINE LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S ALMOST LIKE A BOULEVARD.
AND I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR STAFF, BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WHEN WE MEET WITH YOU ALL, YOU WANNA SEE ISLANDS BREAKING UP THE PARKING SPACES, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE, UH, BOTH DISCUSSING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE A CONSIDERATION, BUT WE CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WASN'T PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE UNDERLYING IT IS THE PART OF THAT WE, WE WE'RE, WE'RE SORT BEING FLEXIBLE TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS PORTION HERE SO WE CAN GET THE TREES UP AGAINST THE UM, UM, ORDER AS WE COULD.
UM, AND I I THINK PART OF THAT IS THE CONSIDERATION IS THAT YEAH,
IT'S FUNNY HOW THE DEPTH ADD TO THAT BECAUSE THESE TREES WITH THEIR HEIGHT AND THE SIGHT LINES THAT THESE PEOPLE WILL EVEN HAVE FROM A HEIGHT ACTUALLY IT'S, IT'S ALMOST BETTER TO HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT LEVELS.
UM, BECAUSE YEAH, ORIGINALLY I, WE WERE SORT OF, WE WERE THINKING THE SAME WAY.
UM, AND IF THE WAY THAT THEY CONSCIOUSLY WOUND THAT UP AND STILL LIKE LOOK AT THAT THROUGH THE P AND LANDSCAPE PROCESS IS TO TRY TO MATCH UP WITH WHAT THE TREES ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL.
UM, THERE'S NO WAY ABOUT THIS SITE, THIS BUILDING SURE.
THAT WE ALREADY HAD AN EXISTING STAND OF, OF TREES THAT HAVE WAS ALREADY LEFT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM,
I, I THINK FOR THIS SITE WITH AS MUCH VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE ALSO LIKE IT CONTROLS AT THE END.
WE KNOW WHEN YOU'RE IN AN AISLE WE KNOW WHERE THE AISLE IS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE AN INTERIOR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT, UM, FOR THIS IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH EVERY OTHER, UM, PARKING AREA THAT COUNTY, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE DISCUSSION WITH THEM ORIGINALLY.
THEY WERE SAYING, HEY WE DON'T JUST GET RID OF THE ISLANDS AND JUST HAVE THIS AND THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH HOW WE TREATED THE AUDI IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR SITE AND OTHERS.
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I MEAN THERE'S WAYS WE COULD LOOK INTO IT AND IF YOU WERE, IF THEY'D HAVE TO ASSESS WHAT THAT DOES TO OTHER ACTIVITY, TO YOUR POINT, WE'VE ALREADY CREATED THAT JUST THOSE FOUR ISLANDS ARE INWOOD INSTEAD OF UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY.SO WE'RE STILL CREATING THAT JUST SAID IT
SORT IT AGAIN, ONCE WE GOT SORT OF GOT RID OF BUFFER REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS, WE'RE KIND OF UM, LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN'T DO TO SCREEN THAT AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE MORE SPACES OR WHATEVER, I WORRY ABOUT REALLY HONEST BECAUSE THERE IS AION FOR 20, 30, 40, 50 FEET.
SO FOUR WILL GO 40 TO 50 FEET AND THE PARACHUTE ONE ARE 35, 40 FORMS. SO IT'S A, IT'S A THOUGHT WELL THOUGHT OUT STAGGERING AS FAR AS HEIGHT GOES AND DISTANCE GOES, LIKE DAVE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE LOOKED AT SIGHT LINES VERY SPECIFICALLY FROM THOSE TOWNHOUSES AND THE ANGLES INTO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
SO YOU HAVE YOUR PROFESSIONAL A UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS KNOW WHAT KIND OF TREES NEEDS TO PUT ON.
YOU'RE NOT RELYING ON STAFF TO SAY PUT THESE TREES AND YOU'RE OKAY.
YOU HAVE SOMEONE GONNA STAFF THAT TREES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IN FACT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I WANTED TO ADD AND SAY UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN APPROPRIATE TREES AND SPACING TO UM, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T BRING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FORWARD TO YOU 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE WANNA EVALUATE YOU'RE OKAY WITH CONCEPT, WE'LL FIGURE OUT EXACT TREAT PATIENTS AND, AND THE LIKE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, WE HAVE AN OFFERED APPROVAL FOR WHAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED SO FAR.
UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS THERE AND ALWAYS BE THE SPECIES TO SEE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE.
WE WANT SOMETHING THAT AS HAS AS HIDING CANDIDATES.
SO THESE WILL BE LARGE DECISIONS AND WE'LL WORK TO SEE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE WITH THAT.
AND PART OF THAT COULD ALSO DEMONSTRATE THE VIEWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR, FOR STAFF THAT BELIEVE CONVEY THE CONCEPT THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IS JUST FROM MEMORY THAT LAST, CURIOUS HOW YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT IT.
ONE OF THE BENEFITS ABOUT HAVING A PARKING GARAGE WAS YOU EMPHASIZE SECURITY.
I JUST RECALL THAT FROM SOMEBODY'S PRESENTATION.
UM, HOW DO YOU CONSIDER THE OPEN PARKING DECK FROM A SECURITY PERSPECTIVE? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I MEAN DO YOU HAVE CAMERAS? I MEAN HOW DO YOU PROTECT YOUR INVENTORY? YEAH.
YOU KNOW SO UM, HOW DO WE PROTECT YOUR INVENTORY WITH IT BEING OPEN RATHER THAN BEING IN A PARKING LOT? UM, YEAH DEFINITELY CAMERAS RIGHT? UM, LIMITED ACCESS TO THE BACKEND OF YOUR PARKING LOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S EASY ACCESS COMING IN OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT TRACKS THESES FOR SURE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, UH, FOR US WITH HONDAS WE DON'T TEND TO HAVE THEFT COMPARED TO OUR GM VEHICLES AND SO FORTH.
'CAUSE OF PARTS RESALE IS NOT THE SAME.
YOU KNOW, CHEVY TRUCKS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF IS OUR CHEVY DEALERSHIP.
WE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS. SO, 'CAUSE THE OTHER CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, I WAS THERE YESTERDAY JUST AS AN OBSERVATION.
UM, I DROVE AROUND THE STANLEY MARTIN THING.
THERE WERE A BUNCH OF KIDS, LITTLE KIDS, THEY WEREN'T TEENAGERS, THEY WERE YOUNG KIDS, 8, 10, 5 ALL RIDING THEIR BIKES.
SO LITTLE KIDS BEING ADVENTUROUS JUST LIKE HEY LET'S GO TO THE NEW HONDA, CHECK THE CARS, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR BIKES.
UM, I COULD JUST ENVISION THAT SO I DIDN'T NO I WHAT YOU WERE DOING I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'LL HELP.
AND AS WE TALKED, THANK YOU FOR THAT THOUGHT.
I DIDN'T THINK OF IT THAT WAY BUT YES.
YEAH, IT STRUCK ME BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN IN A WHILE.
JUST LIKE LITTLE GROUPS OF KIDS RIDING THEIR BIKES.
THERE WAS STILL PARENTS, IT WAS JUST A FREE FOR ALL.
REMIND ME BACK WHEN I WAS A KID BACK IN THE SEVENTIES.
THEY LIVE IN THOSE, WELL ACTUALLY THEY DID.
WHICH MEANS REALLY THERE ARE ADULT EYES AND AT LEAST A THIRD OF THE HOMES LOOKING OUT.
POTENTIALLY IT SHOULD BE WATCHING THEIR KIDS NOT THE HONDA SIDE.
DEPENDS SOME OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED THE PARKING DECK, THERE'S A LOT OF POSITIVES.
UH, I THINK AND OUR LIGHTING DIDN'T CHANGE EITHER.
IT'S STILL SECURE LIGHTING BUT ON LIGHTS AVENUE IF SOMEONE COMES INTO THE SPACE OTHERWISE AND IT'S ALL LIKE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
I REALLY, I ALL, I WE'RE ASSUMING THAT WE'RE PRETTY MUCH SEEING FIXTURES AND EVERYTH.
AND I THINK IN ONE OF THOSE VEINS YOU CAN SEE WE STILL TALK ABOUT SORT OF THE STAGGERED TYPE.
CLIP PULLS AWAY FROM THE ULAR SIDE SO IT'S NOT QUITE,
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I PUT METRO SHOW THAT.SO NO LIGHT, IT'S HARD TO ZOOM IN HERE.
EXFILTRATION ACROSS THE PARKING LINE.
BUT THOSE WERE ALL SEPARATE PLANS, RIGHT.
BEGINNING OF THE MEETING YOU MENTIONED THAT THE LIGHTING, THE LANDSCAPING, SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS WERE NOT DISCUSSED.
WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS THAT.
THEY COME BACK TO THE DC AT SOME POINT.
NO, THOSE ARE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVAL.
UM, YOU KNOW THERE WAS SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC, THE SPECIFIC CONCERN WITH THE ORIGINAL PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE THE HEIGHT CITY SHARE THOSE DURING THAT WITH THE DIRECTION TO MODIFY THOSE.
I ANTICIPATE WITH NOW'S STANDARD PARKING LOT AREA THAT IT WOULD BE OUR TYPICAL REVIEW FOR UM, A LIGHTING PLAN TO INFORM THE RELAYING STANDARDS.
UM, AND ALSO JUST IN CONVERSATION WITH THEM, UH, THE SPIRIT OF THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS INTENDED CONTINUE CARRY FORWARD.
THIS DIDN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE TO BRING THAT TO THE COMMITTEE.
UM, IF THAT'S TYPICAL ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, SMALL
I THINK YOU KNOW FOR WHAT, WHAT DO YOU, HOW DO WE UM, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROPOSED MOTIONS RIGHT? WELL WE ARE JUST THINKING ABOUT PROPOSED MOTION.
SO I THINK WHAT TRYING TO GET THERE IT IT IS ONE MAYBE KIND OF WHAT WE STARTED OUT A FEW MINUTES AGO IS BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE PROPERTY AND ALL OF THINGS WE DISCUSSED.
MM-HMM
I THINK WE SHOULD EXTEND IT AS YOU IDENTIFIED BEYOND THE YEAH.
AND WHAT ABOUT, I MEAN THE THEY FENCE IN THE FRONT IS THE BLACK ALUMINUM, THE PVC FENCE IS WHITE.
THAT'S THE COLOR I GUESS IS THE PHASE, RIGHT? IT'S WHITE.
WE DIDN'T CHANGE IT FOR THE LAST NIGHT.
THAT WAS THE NEW YORKER AND ME IS GOING HOME GRAFFITI.
WELL AND I GUESS AGAIN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE A LITTLE CONFUSING JUST BECAUSE THE, THERE ARE CERTAIN ELEMENTS THAT THEY ALREADY HAD THE APPROVAL FOR AND ALTHOUGH THEY WANT TO EXPLAIN THOSE TO YOU, REALLY WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS APPROVAL OF THE DEVIATION BEING SHOWN HERE.
THE PRINCIPLES, WHICH IS THE, THE BLACK PARKING JACK.
YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH ELEMENT, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFIC FENCE, I THINK THAT THE CHANGE AT LEAST TO EXTEND ALL THE WAY OUT RIGHT NOW, IT, THE REQUEST IS TO SHORTEN IT, WHICH I'M OKAY WITH AND I I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO JUST NOT SHORTEN TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S SHOWN EXACTLY.
JUST COME OUT ANOTHER, KNOW WHAT THAT IS, 20 FEET, 15 FEET, WHATEVER ALIGNED.
SO ALIGN WITH THAT CURVE, THE ROADWAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT'S CLEARLY DELINEATING COMMERCIAL FROM A RESIDENTIAL AND, AND I THINK THE ALUMINUM FENCE, UM, SO LIKE THE THREE OR FOUR FOOT FENCE.
IT'S GONNA MATCH WHAT AROUND AROUND THE PUMP THAT'S THE HIGH PUMP IT STYLE LOOKS.
SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE GONNA STAGGER DOWN FROM THE SIX DOWN.
THE PROBABLY SAY CARRIES THE FOUR AS THREE AND GET DOWN THE DOWN THE SIDE, UM, FOR THAT.
AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD GO TO REALLY TRANSITION WHERE THE RETAINING WALL ITSELF AND ELEVATION STOPS.
UM, BUT I THINK WHAT WAS SUGGESTED, WE WANT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF BUFFER LANDSCAPE.
YOU MEANT, YOU KNOW, SMALL SHRUBS I GUESS IS THE WAY AND SINCE YOU HAD IDENTIFIED THE FRONT PART WHERE YOU HAVE A LARGE OF SMALL SHRUBS ON THE FRONT.
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UM, AND LET THEM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GROW UP MUCH HIGHER THAN THE FENCE AND THEY WERE JUST COMPLIMENTED.
SO THEY WOULDN'T JUST END WITH THOSE THREE, THEY WOULD JUST CONTINUE TO GO RIGHT DOWN.
UM, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO AS FAR AS THEY WOULD'VE WORKED WITH THIS IF THEY TOLD THEM PVC FENCE CLOSER.
AND THE ONLY THING WE TALKED ABOUT AND JUST TO DO IT AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THOSE, THERE'S ONLY A, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TREES, THERE'S WHAT SIX OR EIGHT TREES BEHIND THE PVC FENCE.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE TO PUT SOME TYPE OF SMALLER SHRUBS OR SOMETHING? I THINK JOEY SAID HE'D BE, HE'D
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BE WILLING TO DO SOMETHING THERE ACTUALLY JUST ENHANCE THE COSMETICS OF IT IN THE SPIRIT BEHIND.IT JUST ENHANCES THE LOOK BUT ALSO GO BACK TO HENRICO AND SAY, HEY WE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT, WE ARE NOT DOING WHAT YOU ARE ARE REQUESTING.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BUT WE DO THINK WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE SOME ENHANCEMENTS TO THE, THE JUST THE GENERAL STRIP OF CULTURE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDSCAPED.
I'M TRYING TO THINK BETWEEN THOSE THREE OR WELL THE FENCES ISN'T, THAT STILL ISN'T, THERE ISN'T, ISN'T THE FENCE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE? I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE ROOM ON THAT.
I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ROOM THERE.
THAT'S ONLY A, THAT GREEN SPOT'S NOT PART OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT WOULD BE NICE BUT I THINK WOULD HAVE TO DO IT OR THE DEVELOPER SEND AWAY DIRECTION ON THAT.
WE, I THINK WE MIGHT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF NATURAL.
THEN AND ALSO BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO AS FAR BACK AS IT DID YET.
THIS, THIS LAST BUILDING CAN LOOK OVER THERE BUT THERE SHOULD BE TREES THERE BECAUSE IT'S STILL NATURAL SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE TERRIBLE.
PLUS THERE'S SOME TREES ALL, WE HAVE SOME BACK FROM BACKSIDE TOO.
UM, AND ACTUALLY THE, THE TREES THAT YOU'VE GOT ON THE ENDS OF IT GROWS WOULD HELP THAT LAST BUILDING A LITTLE BIT TOO.
SO THOSE ARE BE THE KIND OF THE MAIN ONES OF FOR HOLD TO GO ON.
AND THEN I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE WAS SUGGESTING TO CONTINUE TO ADMINISTRATIVELY GO BACK WITH STAFF ON THE DETAILS OF THE PLANS AND YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY AND THE AUTHORITY ALREADY TO MOVE THAT FORWARD I GUESS.
ALRIGHT, SO JUST SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THIS SIX FOOT FENCE GETS EXTENDED AND WHERE POSSIBLE FROM THE FRONT BACK TO UM, THE TRANSITION AS MANY SMALLER SHRUBS THAT WOULD FIT INTO THE ON THE SIDE.
UM, IT COULD BE JUST ONE ROW OF THE SAME TYPE OF SHRUBS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
SO THE SMALL TREES OF POSSIBLE PARK COMES OUT AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
SO SO THAT IS WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY WORK WITH STAFF ON PULLING THE FENCE UP AND DOING SOME LANDSCAPING ALONG THE ALUMINUM PART OF THE FENCE.
ARE THERE ANY, UM, SO ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THE SOUTHERN ALLEGATIONS? NO.
DID THAT GIVE YOU REPEAT ON THAT TOPIC? IT DOES, IT DOES ME, I'M SORRY.
AND ALL OF THESE HAVE YOUR PROVISO RIGHT? THAT THEY GONE THROUGH? YES.
AND THEN HE STARTED WITH DUE TO THE UNIQUE OF THE SITE, RIGHT? YES.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE SOUTH ELEMENT SHOULD GOES, WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT THAT BE ACCEPTED 'CAUSE IT FITS WITH THE REST OF THE DESIGN AND THE ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S NOT DETRACTING FROM ANYTHING.
IS THERE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF HAS SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU UH, NO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE REPLACING THE PREVIOUS ELEVATION THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THIS NEW ONE BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT HUGE, IT BASICALLY NEEDS TO BECOME THE APPROVED ELEVATIONS FOR THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? IT HAS EVERYTHING'S THE SAME FIRST GO TO IT.
UM, EXCEPT FOR FROM THE SOUTHERN SIDE SIDE.
SOUTHERN SIDE ELEVATION OF WHAT THEY HAD, UM, PREVIOUSLY HAD APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE WAS ON EASTERN SIDE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO BASICALLY THEY WENT FROM THESE AS YOUR APPROVED ELEVATIONS TO NOW.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE PICTURES.
THE GARAGE DOORS AND THE NEW PICTURES.
I I MAYBE ON THE SCREEN IT LOOKS DIFFERENT, BUT IN THE PICTURES THAT I WAS LOOKING AT THE
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PRINTOUT, THEY DIDN'T LOOK THE SAME.BUT ARE THEY THE SAME? THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED WHICH ONES OKAY.
FROM WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE? LIKE THE, LIKE THE SERVICE ENTRY DOORS? YEAH, THEY'RE NOT OKAY.
IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THE PRINTOUTS.
THE LOCATION IS LIKE THE SAME, I THINK HAVE THE TEXTURING OR WHATEVER YOU USE DIFFERENT WITH A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAT'S NOT YEAH, THEY OF LIKE THE BLUE STRIPS OR SOMETHING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LIKE THIS? YEAH THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S THE SHA JUST IN THE PRESENTATION.
THEY LOOK DIFFERENT FROM THE ONES BEFORE BUT THAT'S FINE.
AND OF COURSE THE MORE THE ONE THAT HAS THE FULL SHIP SOUTHERN ELEVATIONS
SO AGAIN IT'S JUST REPLACE HIS DAYS, HE'S NOW BECOME THE NEW ELEVATIONS.
IS THERE IS THAT ELEMENTS WHAT YOU WANT? I'M JUST GONNA GO BACK WHEN YOU SAID THE BEGINNING, THE REQUEST AROUND ARCHITECTURE, BUILDING MATERIALS, ROOF PARKING, SITE LAYOUT RULES BEFORE, UH RIGHT.
THOSE WERE, SO BASICALLY HAD FOUR CONSIDERATIONS, THREE OF WHICH ARE ALL COMBINED TOGETHER.
WHICH IS THE ONES RELATED TO UM, CHARACTER AND THEN, WHICH IS ALL RELATED TO THE ELEVATIONS.
SO THE ELEVATIONS THE ONLY REALLY CHANGED FROM THAT IS SINCE THERE'S NO PROPOSING MATERIAL CHANGES OR GENERAL CONFIGURATION OTHER THAN THE REMOVAL OF THE PARK AND THE DECK AND THE NEW SOUTHERN AND SAY YOU'VE ADDRESSED ALL THIS FIRST FOUR ELEMENTS OF THREE ELEMENTS OF THE SIGN.
SO REALLY THEY CAME DOWN AS THE PARKING AND TRANSITION.
UM, PART OF THAT WAS 'CAUSE A LOT OF CONSIDERATION WITH THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WAS BASED UPON THE PARKING DECK PROVIDING CERTAIN BLOCK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I FELT LIKE YOU ADDRESSED ALL THE ELEMENT LINES THAT WERE NECESSARY AND ARE THEY IN LINE WITH KIND OF STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE AND YOU WORK ON THIS AND IS THERE YEAH.
SO YOU FOR THIS STAFF WOULD CONSIDER THE CHANGE ELEVATION CONSISTENT THOSE APPROVAL BEFORE A LOT OF DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT COLOR SCHEME AND MATERIALS.
THEY, THEY SATISFIED THAT THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY ONCE YOU CHOP OFF THE BUILDING IS WHAT'S THE BACK OF THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE IT'S CONSISTENT IN MATERIALS AND WE DIDN'T CHANGE THINGS IT T INVOLVED IN THIS FIRST ALONG STAFF HAVE.
BUT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU'VE DONE IN CONCESSIONS.
YOU KNOW, I THINK ALSO NOT SO MUCH LEEWAY STAFF IS PROVIDING, JUST COMING IN AT THIS LATE STAGE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE AND BOTH PARTS, BUT
UM, AND I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CORRIDOR OF BROAD STREET WAS, HAS CHANGED.
I THINK COMPETING CHANGED AND WHAT WAS THE CASE? I'M NOT SURE THAT WOULD BE BE THE CASE IN TERMS OF UM, HOW IT LOOKS.
MICHAEL HAS DONE A GOOD JOB WITH, WITH THEIR SHORT PUMP AND LANDSCAPE AND BUFFERS AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE LOWER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND MICRO SO APPRECIATE WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND WORKING WITH WITH US ON ALL THIS AND UH, I KNOW YOU'RE MAKING A BIG INVESTMENT AND UH, YEAH THAT'S GREAT.
WE'RE EXCITED TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
I'M REALLY EXCITED TO GET STARTED SOON.
IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS BUT YOU KNOW, A GOOD PROCESS TOO.
YEAH, I TOO, I THINK YOU
I THINK IT'S BEEN A GOOD SPIRIT OF COOPERATION WITH ALL OF US, UM, TWO YEARS AGO THAT WE STARTED THIS, TWO YEARS AGO IN SEPTEMBER.
IT'S GOOD TO HEAR IT'S GOOD TO WORK TOGETHER.
AND PART REMOVING THE PARKING DECK, PART OF THAT CONCERN WAS ALL OF US, UH, ESPECIALLY THEIR SIDE STAFF AND THE COMMITTEE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THAT.
IT'S GOOD FOR, FROM THE BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT AND UM, FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT THAT WAS AN ELEMENT THAT WE ALL AS A TEAM, THE COMMITTEE SPEND A YEAR STAFF AND TEAM AND JOEY WORKING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S WHY I WAS VALUED TO COME BACK AGAIN TODAY.
BUT IT'S, THEY HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT RESULTED IN THE COMMITTEE'S ACTION.
WE HAVE A, A GOOD, UM, ENTRY, UH, USER AND UH, VOTING PRODUCER.
I'M NOT TRYING TO MESS UP WITH YOU
SO DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING WITH A FORMAL VOTE? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN RELAY BACK TO US? THAT WE CAN SAY, I THINK THIS IS GOOD.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE CHAIR SO YOU CAN'T MAKE
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A MOTION.THE CHAIR IS THE TYPE OF MOTION.
YOU JUST MAKE SURE YOU GUYS MAKE SURE I GET IT RIGHT.
SO THE EASY MOTION IS, WELL I THINK THE WAY THE MINUTES GO, WE WANT ONE MOTION.
SO PLEASE MAKE A MOTION THAT IT HAS IN OH, OKAY.
UM, OKAY THEN THE MOTION WILL BE THAT UM, THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH STAFF ON ADJUSTING THE FENCE LAYOUT.
IF YOU START WITH THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE WHAT'S BEFORE THE DESIGN COMMITTEE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS AND CONDITIONS.
I THINK THAT MIGHT WORK OUT OKAY.
I STILL GOTTA SAY WHAT WE'RE APPROVING, BUT YOU SAY YOU'RE APPROVING EVERYTHING YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT WITH THE PROVISION THAT YOU'RE, OKAY.
APPROVING AS PRESENTED WITH AND THEN
SO OUR MOTION THEN IS TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED.
UM, WITH THIS, THE APPLICANT WORKING WITH STAFF ON ADJUSTING WHERE THE DEFENSE TRANSITION IS AND THE LANDSCAPE.
UM, WE COULD ADD A, THE DEFENSE STRETCHES AND TO ALIGN WITH THE, THE COMMERCIAL.
DRIVE COMMERCIAL, DRIVE COMMERCIAL, THE COMMERCIAL
THAT'S GOOD THAT THEN WE KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THE LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF YOUR FENCE ON THE SIDE.
UM, MS. FAR IS ANY OLD BUSINESS.
WE HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS AND NO OLD BUSINESS.