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FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, LED BY VICE CHAIRMAN TOM WINFREY.UH, PLEASE STAND AS YOU ARE ABLE.
[II. Invocation: Pastor Bobby Boyd, Victory Christian Church]
ALL RIGHT.HEAVENLY FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR GOOCHLAND AND ALL WHO RESIDE HERE.
I ASK THAT YOU'LL BLESS OUR COUNTY AND DRAW US CLOSER TO YOU.
AND LORD, I LIFT UP THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TODAY AND I ASK THAT YOU GIVE THEM WISDOM FOR THE DECISIONS THAT THEY'LL BE MAKING HERE TODAY.
AND I JUST ASK THAT, UM, YOU'LL BE PRESENT IN THIS, IN THIS ROOM AND IN THE CONVERSATIONS.
WE HONOR THE COUNTRY ALLEGIANCE
[III. Pledge of Allegiance]
TO THE FLAG FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHERE WHICH IT STANDS WITH ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.[IV. Chair's Comments]
UH, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO CHAIR'S, COMMENTS.UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE HAVE HAD A BUSY SUMMER.
UM, NOBODY HAS BEEN, UH, RESTING IT, IT SEEMS LIKE, AND, UH, STAFF AND, UM, ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH, UH, AND WORKING WITH CITIZENS.
AND ALSO A NUMBER OF, UH, SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS, UH, HIGHLIGHTED BY GUCCI ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OPENING TO THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN IT.
WE OPENED IT, I BELIEVE, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO, UH, WITH THE RIBBON CUTTING.
AND I KNOW THE STUDENTS ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE NEW YEAR IN THAT BUILDING.
AND THAT WAS A LOT OF WORK BY SCHOOLS, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND OTHERS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
SO, UM, UH, ALREADY IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A BUSY FALL COMING UP, SO, UM, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT, UH, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, MEETINGS AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, SORRY MEETINGS HERE, BUT ALSO COMMUNITY MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
UM, I WILL TURN IT OVER AS WELL TO, UH, MR. SPOON HOWER, WHO HAD SOME COMMENTS.
UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR, UH, GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, THERE IS GOING TO BE A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN LOUISA, UH, THIS THURSDAY TO DISCUSS, TO VOTE ON THE LOW'S, UH, OR I'M SORRY, THE LOWE'S TRUCK STOP AT GUM SPRING.
AND I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, AS, UH, AS IT IS VERY CLOSE TO MINE AND, UH, AND JONATHAN'S DISTRICT, UM, WHILE IT'S NOT IN GULA COUNTY, IT DOES AFFECT US.
AND I WANTED TO, UH, LET FOLKS KNOW THAT WE HAVE TALKING ABOUT BUSY, THIS IS PROBABLY THE LARGE, ONE OF THE TOP TWO, UM, THINGS THAT I'VE GOTTEN THE MOST OF CALLS ABOUT.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS VERY CLOSELY.
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, MY PEER IN LUISA.
UM, WE'VE BEEN, UH, BRINGING UP ALL THE CONCERNS THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE HAD, UM, AS WELL AS SOME THAT, UM, I'VE PERSONALLY HAD.
UM, I'VE, WE'VE ALSO GONE TO MEETINGS, UM, AND I THINK IN ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS, I, I GOT A LITTLE TOO EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, STATION EIGHT, AND THAT THAT EXCITEMENT WAS TRANSLATED AS I'M A FAN OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, WHILE I'M NOT A FAN OF THIS, THAT PROJECT, I'M ALSO NOT A FAN OF TELLING ANOTHER COMMUNITY WHAT TO DO IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
IF YOU WERE IN OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING LAST MONTH, YOU HAD SEEN, AND I'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL EMAILS ABOUT THE DISCONTENT FROM OUR CITIZENS WHEN HIS SUPERVISOR FROM HENRICO COUNTY CAME TO SPEAK AT OUR MEETING.
SO, UM, THE, THE RE THE RECEPTION I'VE GOTTEN FROM LUISA HAS BEEN FANTASTIC.
UM, THE EXUBERANCE OVER THE FIRE STATION, UH, WAS TRANSLATED AS WE ARE GOING TO DO ALL OF THEIR, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY AND THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
AND, UH, BE REST ASSURED, I'VE SPOKEN WITH CHIEF FERGUSON, I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UM, MR. BARLOW AND, AND LUISA, AND WE WILL BE, UH, IF IT DOES GET APPROVED, WE WILL BE WORKING ON A PLAN.
UH, THAT ENSURES THAT OUR RESPONSE TIMES, I'VE WORKED TOO HARD TO BRING A STATION TO DISTRICT TWO TO LET IT IT NOT BE USED BY OUR CITIZENS.
SO, UM, WE ARE WORKING VERY HARD ON THIS.
UM, THE BOARD HAS BEEN ENGAGED, AND I JUST, UH, WANTED TO THANK, SAY THAT.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, MR. CHAIR.
UM, FINAL COMMENT I'LL MAKE IS JUST SO EVERYONE'S AWARE, SOONER THAN LATER, UH, AT 6:00 PM WE HAVE THE SHERIFF'S NATIONAL NIGHT OUT ON THE COURTHOUSE GREEN.
UM, SO A GREAT EVENT EACH AND EVERY YEAR.
AND, UH, WE WILL ADJOURN FROM THIS MEETING TO THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE SOONER THAN LATER.
YEAH, MR. SPOON, I I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON REGIONAL COOPERATION, AND I THINK IT'S VERY HEALTHY FOR US, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR VIC CARPENTER FOR HIS COMMENTS,
[V. County Administrator's Comments]
MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS THE BOARD, A FEW ITEMS TO SHARE WITH[00:05:01]
YOU AND OUR CITIZENS TONIGHT.THE FIRST IS I WANNA RECOGNIZE OUR FINANCE STAFF.
UCHIN COUNTY, ONCE AGAIN, HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION WITH A DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD.
UH, THIS IS THE NINTH TIME WE'VE RECEIVED THIS AWARD.
WE'VE RECEIVED IT EVERY YEAR SINCE 2018.
THE SIZE OF THE BOOK THEY PUT OUT HAS MORE THAN DOUBLED IN SIZE, SO OVER 500 PAGES IN LENGTH.
THEY SPEND MONTHS COMPILING, PREPARING, REVIEWING THE INFORMATION FROM ALL COUNTY DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES TO ENSURE ITS ACCURACY AND ALIGNMENT WITH COUNTY GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
UH, THE GFOA FOCUSES ON A VERY DETAILED VIEW OF THE COUNTY'S BUDGET TO ENSURE THAT EACH DEPARTMENT'S GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ALIGN WITH THE COUNTY'S OVERARCHING GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
PLUS, TO REVIEW OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN DETAILS AND IMPACTS OF FUTURE OPERATIONAL COSTS.
UH, SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THE FINANCE STAFF.
UM, MS. KAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, SAY ANYTHING? UM, NO, THANK YOU, BUT I APPRECIATE THE SHOUT OUT VERY MUCH.
UM, ALSO, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND CITIZENS, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU'RE AWARE THAT, UH, WE WILL BE, UM, DEALING WITH SOME WEATHER IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
UH, THE REMNANTS OF TROPICAL STORM WILL BE MOVING THROUGH, UH, TOMORROW, THURSDAY IS THE, UH, BIGGEST IMPACT RIGHT NOW.
MOST RECENT REPORT I SAW SAW ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO SIX INCHES OF RAIN, WHICH IS GOOD.
UH, THERE WILL BE SOME WINDS, SO JUST BE AWARE AND BE, UH, COGNIZANT.
OUR FIRE, RESCUE AND PUBLIC SAFETY ARE ON TOP OF IT.
COUNTY OPERATIONS WILL BE, UM, AS NORMAL EXCEPT PARKS AND REC AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT'LL OBVIOUSLY NOT BE ABLE TO, UH, TO DEAL WITH THAT.
SO PLEASE KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE RADAR AND PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
UH, THIS PAST WEEKEND, WE HAD OUR SECOND ANNUAL AG FAIR.
UM, IT MORE THAN TRIPLED IN SIZE FROM THE FIRST ONE WE DID.
AGAIN, OCHIN IS A COUNTY WHERE WE WANT TO KEEP IT RURAL.
WE WANT TO KEEP AGRICULTURE IMPORTANT TO US.
UM, IT WAS GREAT SEEING KIDS OUT THERE, SEEING THE ANIMALS THAT THEY WERE SHOWING.
UM, UH, THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS HAVE GROWN AS WELL AS THE NUMBER OF VENDORS THAT ARE OUT THERE, SO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME OUT NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN FINALLY, AS A REMINDER, UM, WE WILL BE CLOSED ON MONDAY FOR LABOR DAY ON SEPTEMBER THE FIRST.
SO, UM, THAT IS A COUNTY HOLIDAY, BUT THE COUNTY'S, UH, UM, BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEETING WILL STILL BE HELD THE NEXT DAY.
AND MR. CHAIR, THAT'S MY REPORT.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO REQUEST TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEMS AND
[VI. Requests to Postpone Agenda Items and Additions, Deletions or Changes in the Order of Presentation]
ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES IN THE ORDER OF PRESENTATION.ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT? MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WHEN I WOULD ASK SOMETHING FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA TO BE PULLED OR DO THAT LATER.
IF WE COULD PULL OUT NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE, UH, $960,828 FOR THE COURTHOUSE SIDEWALK.
UH, THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION OR AMPLIFICATION I THINK WILL BENEFIT FROM THAT.
ANY, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
UH, SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS, WE WILL MOVE ON TO CITIZEN COMMENTS.
[VII. Citizen Comment]
THE FLOOR TO CITIZEN COMMENTS.CITIZENS ARE REMINDED THAT COMMENTS SHOULD BE ABOUT ITEMS NOT COVERED BY THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEING HELD LATER TONIGHT.
COMMENTS SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL AND NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES IN LENGTH.
SHOULD MULTIPLE CITIZENS WISH TO HAVE A COMMON SPEAKER, THEY MAY, THEY MAY SEAT THEIR TIME IN TWO MINUTE INCREMENTS OF TO A TOTAL ALLOTTED TIME OF 10 MINUTES PER BOARD'S RULES AND PROCEDURES.
SECTION 3.2, A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME INTENDED TO NOT BE MORE THAN AN HOUR IS ALLOCATED FOR CITIZENS COMMENT.
I'M KEITH BURGESS, DISTRICT MANAGER FOR MONICA SOIL WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
WE WILL BE HOSTING A CONSERVATION RESOURCE MEETING ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 27TH AT 5:00 PM IN PAL 10 COUNTY AT THE RESCUE SQUAD RECEPTION HALL, WHERE WE WILL COVER LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL CONSERVATION, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR PRODUCERS.
AND, UH, IF MORE INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE OR SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES ABOUT THAT, WE HAVE RECEIVED OUR VIRGINIA AGRICULTURAL COST SHARE ALLOCATION FOR THIS YEAR.
THIS YEAR WE'VE RECEIVED $2.2 MILLION.
ON THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS, WE'VE SPENT ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT.
THE VIRGINIA AGRICULTURAL COST SHARE PROGRAM OFFERS FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF QUALIFYING AGRICULTURAL BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
THE PROGRAM IS OPEN TO FARMERS AND LANDOWNERS WHO ARE MANAGING MORE THAN FIVE ACRES FOR THE PRODUCTION OF AGRICULTURE.
FOR PRODUCERS THAT DON'T MEET THIS CRITERIA, THERE MAY BE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.
OUR INITIAL, UH, APPLICATION SIGNUP RUNS THROUGH AUGUST 30TH FOR COVER CROPS, BUT WE DO RECEIVE APPLICATIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UM, WE CONTINUE TO BE AT THE GUTEN AGRICULTURAL CENTER AT OFFICE.
WE CONTINUE TO BE THE LEAD ORGANIZATION THERE.
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REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE EXTENSION HAS BEEN RUNNING UNDERSTAFFED FOR A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.WE'RE HOPING THAT'S GONNA BE FILLED.
UH, I THINK THERE ARE INTERVIEWS THIS FRIDAY FOR THE AGRICULTURAL NATURAL RESOURCE AGENT.
UM, BUT POWHATAN COUNTY HAS BEEN ASSISTING FOR A FEW YEARS NOW WITH SOME ADMINISTRATIVE AND MANAGEMENT OF THAT OFFICE.
UH, SO WE'VE BEEN KIND OF FILLING THAT VOID.
THE OTHER BIG THING THAT WE WANT YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT MONICA HAS NO ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY FOR ANYTHING SO FAR AS WATER QUALITY IS CONCERNED.
UH, IF IT'S NOT RELATED TO OUR VIRGINIA AGRICULTURAL COST SHARE PROGRAM.
UH, IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS, WE'VE RECEIVED, RECEIVED SEVERAL COMPLAINTS ABOUT LAND DISTURBANCE AND AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES.
THEY'VE BEEN REFERRED TO THE COUNTY STAFF TO HANDLE THOSE.
SO WE WANT YOU ALL AND THE CITIZENS TO KNOW IF SOMEBODY CALLS WITH A PROBLEM, WE CAN'T STOP THAT.
ALL WE CAN DO IS REFER THEM ON.
UM, THE OTHER THINGS IS WE'VE BEEN IN CONSULTATION WITH CAPITAL REGIONAL LAND CONSERVANCY ON SOME CONSERVATION EASEMENTS IN THE COUNTY.
UH, WE ARE COORDINATING THE AGRICULTURAL SESSION FOR THE UCHIN, UH, EXTENSION LEADERSHIP, UCHIN LEADERSHIP ENTERPRISE, WHICH WILL BE IN OCTOBER.
AND THEN WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED AND, UH, STARTED SCHEDULING ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION FOR THE UCHIN SCHOOLS THIS FALL.
ANY OTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, I WILL NOW CLOSE THE FLOOR.
[VIII. Approval of Action Minutes]
YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 2ND, UH, 1:00 PM MEETING, UH, TRANSPORTATION WORK SESSION.DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SO MOVED.
[1. Minutes of Jul 2, 2024 1:00 PM]
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.ALSO HAVE THE MINUTES FOR THE JULY 2ND REGULAR
[2. Minutes of Jul 2, 2024 3:30 PM]
MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HELD AT 3:30 PM DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? SO MOVED.[IX. Reports]
ASK MR. MARSHALL WYNN TO PRESENT THE VDOT REPORT TO THE BOARD.ALL OTHER REPORTS ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
[1. VDOT - July 2024]
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. CARPENTER, UH, MARSHALL WIND WITH VDOT.UH, THIS PAST MONTH WE'VE HAD, WE HAD 174 WORK ORDERS, UH, COMPLETED 201, UM, HAD 15 CALL OUT AFTER HOUR CALL OUTS.
BEEN DOING REGULAR MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES, UH, POTHOLE AND ASPHALT PATCHING AND REPAIR, PIPE CLEANING AND PIPE REPLACEMENTS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
SHOULDER AND DITCH DITCH CLEANING, TREE, TREE REMOVAL AND BRUSH CLEANUP, SIGN REPLACEMENT.
UM, WE WILL BE STARTING A THIRD CYCLE OF PRIMARY MOWING ON AUGUST 19TH.
OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO GIVE Y'ALL.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
UM, THANK YOU MR. WINFREY, YOUR REPORT.
I HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT, UH, WERE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.
OR ACTUALLY ONE THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, ONE THAT I SAW FOR MYSELF, UM, UH, RIGHT ON ROCK CASTLE ROAD.
THERE'S THAT SECTION FROM 1463 ROSS CASTLE TO WESTVIEW OR THE, THE, IT JUST GROWS RIGHT IN AND PEOPLE, THERE'S REALLY ALMOST DOWN TO ONE LANE.
SO IF WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT, AGAIN, IT'S 1463 ROCK CASTLE TO WESTVIEW.
UH, TO, TO THE BOAT LANDING? YEAH.
AND THEN, UM, I ALSO NOTICED THAT, UH, IF SOMEBODY COULD TAKE A LOOK OUT AT STOKE, UH, OFF OF WOOD CAMP WOOD CAMP OFF OF STOKES STATION, WHILE IT'S BEAUTIFUL THAT ALL THE TREES COME OVER THE ROAD, UM, I COULD BARELY GET MY TRUCK UNDERNEATH.
SO I IMAGINE SOMEBODY HAULING A HORSE, IT'S GONNA BE WHACKING THOSE TREES PRETTY GOOD, WHICH I CAN'T IMAGINE IS GOOD FOR A STRESS OUT HORSE.
UM, HECK I THING, AND I'VE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE BRING THAT UP, SO IF WE COULD, MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT.
IT, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION SATURDAY THAT THERE'S A BRIDGE ON WHITEHALL ROAD.
THAT'S PRETTY DEVASTATING, I GUESS, TO GO OVER.
YEAH, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO PUT A WEDGE ACROSS THAT WHERE IT'S SMOOTHER TO GO ACROSS THE BRIDGE ON WHITEHALL.
DO WE HAVE A ANTICIPATED? PROBABLY BE WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.
ANYONE ELSE? I DO HAVE, UH, JUST ONE QUESTION.
UM, MR. WIND, THE, UH, STORM WE EXPECT YES, TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN, CAN YOU GIVE SOME INTEL INTO WHAT VDO T'S PREPARATIONS ARE? AND WE'RE, WE'RE ACTIVELY PREPARING FOR THE STORM.
UH, WE, WE HAD A STATEWIDE CALL THIS AFTERNOON THAT I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND BECAUSE I'M HERE.
WE HAVE ANOTHER STATEWIDE CALL IN THE MORNING.
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OUR AREA HEADQUARTERS, EVERYBODY'S ON NOTICE.IF IT'S 24, OUR OPERATIONS WILL BE OUT THERE FOR HIGH WATER SIGNS, ANYTHING, TREES DOWN, THAT SORT OF THING.
OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, YOU'RE HEARING THE SAME THING.
I'M HEARING FOUR TO SIX INCHES OF RAIN DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE.
I THINK LAST I HEARD IT WAS IT, IT HAD MOVED FURTHER WEST, THE STORM, AND WE'LL GO GET A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RAIN EAST OF THE BLUE RIDGE, WHICH MEANS THE RIVERS WILL FLOOD.
SO I HEARD ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO SEVEN INCHES, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE EASTERN BLUE RIDGE AND BETWEEN THERE AND CHARLOTTESVILLE.
SO PEOPLE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR ANY OF THOSE, UH, RIVERS, FLOODING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
THAT MEANS BIRD CREEK, THE LICKING HOLE, CREEK, ALL THE CREEKS AROUND THE AREA.
THANK YOU MR. LENNON, UH, IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR PREPAREDNESS AND UH, OKAY.
WILLINGNESS TO HELP OUT IN POTENTIAL EMERGENCY.
ALRIGHT, Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY.
UH, I'LL NOW TURN TO MR. CLIFF HELLER FOR THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW COUNTY STAFF.
[2. Introduction of New County Staff]
YOU.FOLKS DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
WE LITERALLY TRIED THIS A COUPLE MINUTES AGO.
WHAT IN THE WORLD? LEMME GET OUT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
WE'RE GONNA START WITH, UH, FIRE RESCUE.
WE HAVE, UH, 15 TOTAL NEW HIRES FOR THE MONTHS OF JUNE, JULY IN THE COUNTY.
UH, WE HAVE 12 NEW HIRES FOR FIRE RESCUE.
UM, MANY, IN FACT, EVERY ONE OF THEM HAVE SHOWN UP TODAY.
SO, UH, WE'LL START WITH MATTHEW BALES.
YOU ALL WILL STAND AS WE, UH, GO THROUGH Y'ALL.
UM, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TO WORK.
LET'S CHEAT AND USE THE KEYBOARD.
ERIC MEYER, ROYCE BER, NICOLE MURKY.
ANTHONY RICKETTS, KYLE HERSHEY, MATT BROOKS, ETHAN ROWE, TANNER BRADSHAW, LANDON TATE.
AND THAT'S IT FOR A FIRE RESCUE.
UH, THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING IN.
SHE IS IN THE BACK CORNER THERE.
SHE IS JOINING US AS A COMBINATION COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL INSPECTOR.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE HIRED OUR VETERINARY TECHNICIAN, BRIDGET FOSTER.
I DON'T THINK SHE WAS ABLE TO COME TODAY.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, EMILY BROOKS JUST STARTED YESTERDAY AS A DEPUTY CLERK WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT.
SO THANK YOU, UH, FOR YOU GUYS FOR PARTICIPATING IN SHOWING UP.
AND, UH, WELCOME TO THE COUNTY, EVERYONE.
I'M WONDERING WHY ALL THE FIREMEN ARE SMILING IN THE PICTURES, BUT THEY'RE NOT SMILING HERE.
UM, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS HAS, UH, BEEN A, THIS WAS A MAJOR AREA OF FOCUS IN OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS.
AND TO SEE IT COME TO FRUITION IN A WAY LIKE THIS TO, UH, INCREASE OUR STAFF, UM, AND MOST SPECIFICALLY FIRE AND RESCUE IN THIS SITUATION, UH, IS AWESOME TO SEE.
UH, I WILL NOW TURN TO, UH, CHIEF EDDIE FERGUSON FOR THE, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE QUARTERLY REPORT.
[3. Fire Rescue Report - August]
FULL REPORT IS IN YOUR PACKAGE.SO CHIEF, HOW LONG DO THEY HAVE TO WEAR THOSE RECRUIT SHIRTS?
AND THEY'LL BE IN THE TRAINING PROGRAM UNTIL, UH, PROBABLY DECEMBER OR SO.
UM, SOME ARE, UH, ALREADY TRAINED, AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THEM WILL UNDERGO THE, UH, FULL ACADEMY, WHICH WILL BE THE EMT CLASS, FOLLOWED BY THE, THE STATE, UH, VDFP, FIREFIGHTER ONE AND TWO.
SO THEY HAVE A, UH, A FULL CURRICULUM TO, TO GO THROUGH BETWEEN NOW AND, UH, THE, LET'S JUST SAY THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND WE ARE REALLY PROUD OF THEM.
START OFF BY JUST SAYING THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO HAVE, UH, BROUGHT ON 12 NEW CAREER FIREFIGHTER, UH, EMTS.
UH, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT SUPPORT.
AND IT'S, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S BEEN A TIME THAT WE'VE BROUGHT ON QUITE THIS MANY AT ONE TIME.
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THAT.IT HELPS TO, UH, ADDRESS ALL THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE WE SEE IN THE DEPARTMENT.
SO, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, EDDIE FERGUSON, FIRE RESCUE CHIEF, UM, HAS MR. CARPENTER AND MR. UH, VADERS HAVE SAID THE REPORT IS IN THE PACKET, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I'LL PROBABLY, UM, CARRY DOWN A PATH OF, UH, THE RESOUNDING THEME OF A TROPICAL STORM, DEBBIE, I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW, AND THE CITIZENS TO KNOW THAT WE ARE, UH, RAMPING UP FOR THAT.
UH, WE HOPE THE EFFECTS ARE NOT, UH, TOO MUCH, BUT HONESTLY, THE PATH HAS, HAS SHIFTED TO THE WEST AND IT'S PREDICTED, UH, THE CENTER TO COME THROUGH, UM, AN AREA BETWEEN, DESCRIBED BETWEEN CHARLOTTESVILLE AND RICHMOND, MAYBE CLOSER TO CHARLOTTESVILLE.
SO WHAT WE SEE, UH, IN SO FAR FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN WAKEFIELD, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, LIKE DOMINION ENERGY'S, UH, WEATHER FORECASTING, UH, IT DOES LOOK LIKE A, UH, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENT.
AND, UH, WE'RE PREPARED ALSO IF WE GET ANY TYPE OF, UH, TROPICAL, UH, TYPE WINDS.
UH, SO ALL CITIZENS, UH, SHOULD JUST BE LOOKING AHEAD.
THEY SHOULD, UH, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THEIR EMERGENCY KIT, WHICH IS A KIT OF, UH, BASIC ITEMS THAT IS, ALLOWS THEM TO BE READY TO SUSTAIN FOR, FOR THREE DAYS.
SHOULD IT, UH, COME TO THAT? WE HOPE NOT.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT PREDICTED AT THIS POINT TO BE THAT TYPE OF, UH, WEATHER, UH, SITUATION.
BUT I DO WANNA MENTION THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE WORST TIME FOR GLAND WOULD BE THURSDAY NIGHT INTO FRIDAY MORNING, AND MAYBE THROUGH THE MORNING OR FRIDAY.
AND THE, THE WEATHER I JUST SAW, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UH, PRETTY MUCH OUTTA HERE BY SATURDAY MORNING.
UH, SO THAT'S, UH, WHAT WE KNOW AND, AND WHAT, WAITING ON THE, UH, NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TO RELEASE THE LATEST REPORT, UM, THAT WASN'T QUITE OUT BY THE TIME THIS MEETING STARTED.
ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER AND THE PHONE NUMBER AND THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER IS ACTIVE.
UM, AND THE NUMBER IS 8 0 4 5 5 6 5 6 7 8.
AND THAT, IF YOU CALL THAT NUMBER OR A CITIZEN, WERE TO CALL THAT NUMBER NUMBER.
IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN EMERGENCY, BUT THEY HAD SOME TYPE OF WEATHER SITUATION, UM, THEN SOMEONE WILL ANSWER THAT.
UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, ROBERT HILLMAN WILL ANSWER THAT NUMBER.
AND IF IT GETS TO THE POINT THAT WE HAVE TO OPEN UP THE, UH, EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, IT'S ALL SET UP AND READY TO GO.
CITIZENS SHOULD BE ON THE WATCH FOR FLOODING.
UH, DON'T DRIVE ACROSS, UH, FLOOD COVERED WATER COVERED ROADWAYS.
YOU JUST DON'T REALLY KNOW, UH, WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THERE, WHETHER THE ROAD'S BEEN WASHED OUT OR NOT.
UH, IF TREES DO COME DOWN, AND EVEN IF IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT WIND OF IT, WE GET THAT MUCH RAIN.
A LITTLE WIND WILL, WILL BRING DOWN TREES.
AND TREES, UH, CAN BE INTERTANGLED WITH POWER LINES SOMETIMES.
AND THERE'S POWER LINES ARE HIDDEN.
AND SO OF COURSE, ANY POWER LINE THAT'S DOWN IS CONSIDERED TO BE A, A LIVE ELECTRIC LINE.
SO STAY AWAY FROM, FROM THAT AND MAKE THOSE PHONE CALLS, UH, GENERATORS.
UM, GOSH KNOWS IF WE DO LOSE ELECTRICITY IN THE COUNTY, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PAINT THIS, UM, PICTURE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT CERTAINLY IT COULD, UH, JUST BE CAREFUL WITH GENERATORS BECAUSE GENERATORS, UH, ARE COMBUSTIBLE ENGINES.
THEY EMIT CARBON MONOXIDE, UH, IN THE EXHAUST, AND THEY HAVE TO BE SET, UH, A DISTANCE AWAY FROM, FROM YOUR HOUSE.
AND I ALWAYS TURN MINE, IF THE MUFFLER IS FACING TOWARDS THE HOUSE, I TURN THE GENERATOR SO IT PUSHES THE EXHAUST AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.
BUT, UH, EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE SEE SOMEONE THAT HAS RUN A GENERATOR TOO CLOSE TO THEIR HOME, OR SOMETIMES THEY'LL TRY TO PUT IT IN A SHED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH WILL CAUSE UH, CARBON MONOXIDE.
CARBON MONOXIDE IS A POISONOUS COLORLESS, ODORLESS GAS, AND CERTAINLY CAN MAKE, UH, MAKE YOU VERY SICK AND OBVIOUSLY CAN BE LETHAL IN, UM, HIGH AMOUNTS.
SO THAT'S, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THE, UH, TROPICAL WEATHER THAT WE ARE RAMPING UP FOR.
AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO PUSH UPDATES OUT AS THAT INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE.
WE'RE WATCHING IT VERY CLOSELY.
OUR CALL VOLUME FOR THE MOST PART IS ABOUT 15% HIGHER THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.
THIS TIME, UH, CALL CALLS ARE DEFINITELY, UH, BUSY.
UH, AS I HAD MENTIONED, WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE THE NEW RECRUITS AND WE'RE ALSO HAPPY TO BE GRADUATING A REGIONAL VOLUNTEER RECRUIT SCHOOL, UH, TOMORROW NIGHT.
IT'S A REGIONAL ACADEMY THAT'S COMPOSED OF, UH, GLAND HANOVER AND LOUISA FIREFIGHTERS, AND THEY'RE ALL VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS.
UM, AND THEY WILL GRADUATE TOMORROW NIGHT AT 7:00 PM AT GLAND, UH, HIGH SCHOOL.
SO WE'RE LOOKING, LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, UH, GLAND COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF FIRE RESCUE EMERGENCY SERVICES WAS AWARDED AN AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION MISSION LIFELINE AWARD.
IT'S A GOLD STANDARD AWARD, AND BASICALLY IT'S A AWARD THAT BENCHMARKS OUR ABILITY TO DELIVER, UH, CARDIAC, UM, TYPE EMERGENCY CARE, HAVING THE, THE RIGHT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT, THE PERSONNEL ON DUTY, THE QUICK RESPONSE TIMES, UM, AS WELL AS THE WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE HOSPITALS, UH, CONSIDERED THE DEFINITIVE CARE PART OF THAT.
AND WE CERTAINLY COULDN'T DO THAT.
THAT'S A, A TEAMWORK AWARD, AND WE COULD NOT DO THAT WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TO HAVE A RECEIVE THAT.
UH, OUR NEW FIRE TANKER WAS, UH, ON DISPLAY OUT FRONT.
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IT JUST ROLLED INTO THE COUNTY THIS MORNING.UH, IT'S TANKER, UH, 6 66, UH, GO INTO COMPANY SIX.
UH, AND I KNOW THE NUMBER IS, UH, IS CERTAINLY, UM, CAUGHT SOME ATTENTION AND WE'LL, WE PROBABLY WILL MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THAT.
UH, BUT THERE IS A, IS A METHOD TO THE MADNESS.
UH, SIX IS THE GLAND REGIONAL UNIT IDENTIFIER IN THE METRO AREA.
SIX IS THE STATION NUMBER FOR HAYDENVILLE COMPANY SIX.
AND ALL OF OUR TANKERS, ALL OUR TANKER VEHICLES, UH, END IN A SIX.
SO, UM, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY ADJUST THAT, UH, A LITTLE BIT AND I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY GET BETTER RECEPTION FOR THAT.
UM, BUT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, UH, PIECE OF FIRE EQUIPMENT.
IT'S BEEN ON ORDER SINCE, UH, APRIL OF 2022.
IT CARRIES, UH, 2,500 GALLONS OF WATER AND IT'S MUCH NEEDED IN THE RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTY, REPLACING A 2001, UH, TANKER.
THAT HAS ALSO SERVED US WELL OVER THE TIME.
UH, JUST MENTION REAL QUICKLY THAT THE, UH, FIRE TRAINING CENTER CONTINUES TO, UM, SEE IMPROVEMENTS.
OUR LIVE FIRE TRAINING STRUCTURE HAS BEEN, UH, PUT INTO POSITION THERE.
IT'S, UH, THREE CONEX BOX TYPE CONTAINERS.
IT'S PROPANE FIRED, AND WE HAVE, UM, ALREADY SENT THE RECRUIT CLASS THAT'S GRADUATING TOMORROW NIGHT THROUGH IT.
UH, WE ARE HAVING A RIBBON CUTTING FOR THAT PARTICULAR PIECE AT THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER, AND THAT'S RIBBON CUTTING IS GONNA BE ON THURSDAY, AUGUST THE 29TH AT 4:00 PM AND WE HOPE, UM, THE COMMUNITY WILL COME OUT AND, UH, AND JOIN US FOR THAT.
UH, CERTAINLY WE ALWAYS, UH, END ON SAYING THAT VOLUNTEER APPLICATIONS ARE OPEN YEAR ROUND.
WE ALWAYS ARE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEER MEMBERS.
UH, THE TRAINING IS, UH, AT NO COST.
WE MAKE IT AVAILABLE, SO IT'S CONVENIENT.
AND IF ANYONE NEEDS A, UH, SMOKE ALARM, THEN FIRE RESCUE HAS, UH, SMOKE ALARMS THAT WE WILL SMOKE DETECTORS THAT WE'LL BRING OUT AND INSTALL NEAR RESIDENCE AT NO COST.
UH, JUST CALL ANY OF THE FIRE STATIONS OR FIRE RESCUE ADMINISTRATION, UH, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR CHIEF PARTIES? MR. LYLE? I'M SORRY, MR. UH, CHRISTIE.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT FIRE ALARMS THAT ALERT DIRECTLY TO THE FIRE STATION.
WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT? IS INTERNET REQUIRED? WELL, SO AS FAR AS, UM, A FIRE ALARM IN A, A BUSINESS OR A, UM, WELL, THIS, THIS IS RESIDENTIAL.
RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THOSE ALARMS CAN BE TRANSMITTED OUT.
THEY TYPICALLY GO TO A MONITORING SERVICE AND THEN THEY, IN RETURN WOULD CALL THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER WHO WOULD DISPATCH THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT TO GO.
AND WHAT YOU SEE USUALLY IS A, UH, PHONE LINE THAT THAT ALARM WILL, WILL CALL OUT ON.
UH, AND EVEN OUR FIRE STATIONS ALL HAVE FIRE ALARM MONITORING SYSTEMS, AND WE'VE JUST BEEN GOING THROUGH, UH, CONVERTING SOME OF THEIR, UH, OLDER STYLE, UH, PHONE LINES OVER TO VOICEOVER INTERNET PROTOCOL WITH, UH, CELLULAR BACKUP.
SO THAT, THAT'S A WAY THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, CAN STILL CALL THAT ALARM OUT.
AND SO I THINK YOU PROBABLY SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF THOSE, THOSE WAYS, THE WAY THAT'S, UH, THAT'S HOOKED UP TO BE TRANSMITTED OUTSIDE OF THE RESIDENCE TO THE MONITORING COMPANY.
HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
YES, CHIEF, THANKS FOR THE UPDATE AND, AND ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE STORM.
UM, I WENT OUT YESTERDAY AND GOT ALL THE GAS FOR MY GENERATORS AND CHECKED THE CANDLES AND BATTERIES, SO I'M SURE WE WILL BE FINE.
UM, I DID, I HAVE NOTICED, WELL, I SAW IN THE PACKET THAT, UM, THE CREWS HAVE MOVED BACK INTO STATION FIVE INTO THE NEWLY RENOVATED YES, SIR.
BUNKHOUSE AND I SEE A FLURRY OF ACTIVITY, BUT I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC CAN REALLY TELL HOW MUCH IS ACTUALLY GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES.
CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHEN THAT MIGHT BE OPEN AND HOW THAT'S GOING? I WILL, I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROGRESS THERE AT STATION FIVE.
UH, STATION FIVE WAS OPEN NEW IN 1983, AND THE VOLUNTEER ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED HAS, UH, UNDERTAKEN A LARGE, UH, RENOVATION THAT'S BEING FUNDED BY, UH, DONATION MONEY.
AND ALSO, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE PROVIDED, UH, AN INTEREST FREE LOAN FOR THAT.
UH, THIS, THE PROJECT STARTED SHORTLY AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, UH, JANUARY, FEBRUARY.
UH, PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE LIVING AREA WAS, UM, WAS DISASSEMBLED AND PUT BACK TOGETHER.
THE CREWS, UH, LIVED IN A SINGLE WIDE MOBILE HOME OUT IN THE BACKYARD.
UH, THEY DID MOVE JUST PRIOR TO, UH, JULY ONE, I THINK IT WAS.
THAT'S THE SATURDAY BEFORE JULY CAME IN.
UH, THE CREWS, UH, MOVED IN BACK INTO THE MAIN FACILITY AND THE LIVING AREA, UM, IS I, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 99% COMPLETE.
AND THE CONSTRUCTION THERE AT STATION FIVE HAS SHIFTED TO THE APPARATUS SPACE.
UH, THE APPARATUS SPACE, UM, ARE UNDERGOING SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL STEEL ENGINEERING, AND WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN, UH, GLASS BAY DOORS ACROSS THE FRONT.
UH, AND SO WE'LL HAVE, UH, WIDER AND TALLER BAY DOORS
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AS A RESULT OF THIS.AND THE BAYS APPARATUS BAYS WILL BE, UM, BE RENOVATED TOO.
UH, YOU MAY NOTICE THE SMALL ADDITION WAS PUT ON THE, UH, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THAT ADDITION IS A ROOM THAT, UH, ALLOWS THE FIREFIGHTERS TO PUT THEIR PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT IN THERE, KIND OF SEPARATES IT FROM THE, FROM THE APPARATUS BAY SO THAT IT GETS AWAY FROM THE DIESEL, UH, DIESEL EXHAUST THAT WILL ACCUMULATE ON THAT IF IT'S SITTING AROUND IN THE BAY.
BUT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
I THINK, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, WE'RE HOPING THAT ALL THIS IS GONNA BE DONE.
THIS MAY BE AN AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE BY THE END OF, UH, THIS MONTH, BUT I'M GONNA SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY CITIZENS WILL, WILL PROBABLY BE THERE FOR THE, THE NINE 11 MEMORIAL CEREMONY ON SEPTEMBER THE 11TH.
AND HOPEFULLY BY THEN IT'LL BE ALL PUT BACK TOGETHER.
UH, THAT'S IT, THAT'S OUR GOAL.
AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IN, IN THE DESIGN, YOU LOOK SPECIFICALLY TO TRY TO TIE IT INTO THE COURTHOUSE FEEL WE DID THAT REALLY WE DID.
EVEN YOU CAN'T SEE IT ALL FINISHED, BUT YOU CAN RIGHT.
KIND OF SPIEL THAT THE, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE ASSOCIATION AND THEN WAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MARTIN DEAN, THEY DID A, A AMAZING JOB WITH, UH, MAKING SURE THAT IT BLENDED IN, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO, TO ACCOMPLISH DURING THIS RENOVATION.
WE'LL PRACTICALLY HAVE, UH, A BRAND NEW FIRE STATION WHERE THIS HAS DONE WE'LL SERVICE FOR MANY MORE YEARS.
UM, I, I HAD SHARED SOME QUESTIONS WITH YOU EARLIER, SOME OF WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED WITH THE 16% IN CALLS, AND YES SIR, THOSE DO TEND TO BE SKEWING MORE TOWARDS EMS MM-HMM.
AS OPPOSED TO FIRE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, ALL, YOU KNOW, MOST, WELL, I WOULD SAY ANY FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT THAT, UH, IS ENGAGED IN EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES WILL SEE, UH, ANYWHERE FROM 75 TO 80 PLUS PERCENT OF THEIR CALL VOLUME, UH, BEING EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES.
WHAT YOU HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT WITH THAT IS, IS THE TYPE OF, UM, RESOURCES THAT SOME OF THOSE CALLS REQUIRE.
SOME OF THOSE ARE MORE THAN JUST A, UM, A HOUSE CALL OR ONE PATIENT.
SOME ARE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE PATIENTS AND OTHER HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND SOME OF THOSE CALLS ARE ALSO, UM, PRIORITY ONE, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES CALLS, LIKE CARDIAC ARREST, UM, THOSE HIGH ACUITY TYPE PATIENTS THAT WOULD REQUIRE MORE THAN JUST A TWO PERSON CREW TO HANDLE.
BUT YES, SIR, MOST OF THOSE CALLS, UM, WHILE WE SAW AN INCREASE IN ALL, WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN ALL CATEGORIES OF CALLS WITH EXCEPTION.
I THINK THERE WERE TWO OF THOSE, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE.
UH, BUT, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW, ALL CATEGORIES OF CALLS ARE GOING UP.
AND WE'VE HAD SOME, UM, SOME SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS, THOSE IN YOUR BOARD PACKET.
BUT SINCE THAT WAS REPORTED, WE'VE HAD A HOUSE FIRE, UH, FRIDAY EVENING, THERE WAS A LIGHTNING STRIKE IN THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY.
TREMENDOUS SAVINGS, UH, IN THAT HOME.
THE CITIZENS DID EVERYTHING RIGHT.
THEY CALLED EAR EARLY, THEY GOT OUT.
WE HAD A, A FAST RESPONSE TIME AND CAUGHT THE FIRE WHILE IT WAS IN THE ATTIC AND WAS ABLE TO EXTINGUISH IT AND SAVE, SAVE THE HOME.
WHICH KIND OF SEGUES INTO THE NEXT, IN THE REPORT, YOU SAID THAT ONE OF THE HYDRANTS DIDN'T PROVIDE SUFFICIENT PRESSURE, AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS THAT THE SPRINKLER OR THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, SOMETIMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, UH, DROP PRESSURE.
AND YOU ALSO SAID YOU TESTED ALL THE DRY HYDRANTS.
DO WE HAVE A SCHEDULE OF CHECKING THE, I GUESS WHAT I'LL CALL THE TCSD HYDRANTS? THE COUNTY FIRE HYDRANTS? YES, SIR.
WELL, UH, WE DO, UM, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC UTILITIES, UH, HANDLES THAT.
AND, UH, IN FACT, I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, MAKING THAT PROGRAM, UH, EVEN, EVEN BETTER THAN, THAN WHAT IT HAS BEEN.
UH, BUT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A, A STAFF THAT LOOKS AT THE HYDRANTS.
UH, WE ALSO LOOK AT THE FIRE HYDRANTS.
THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT THEM.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, CLOSE WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC UTILITIES WHERE WE CAN REPORT THINGS THAT WE FIND WITH FIRE HYDRANTS.
AND IF THEY CATCH IT FIRST, FOR EXAMPLE, IF A CAR GOES OFF THE ROAD AND HITS A FIRE HYDRANT, THEN THEY'LL REPORT THAT TO US SO THAT WE CAN, UH, UPDATE OUR LIST.
SO WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THAT FIRE HYDRANT TO BE AVAILABLE DURING AN EMERGENCY.
I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING THE BOARD NEEDS TO BE DOING TO PROVIDE THAT, THAT WE KNOW WE'VE GOT WATER PRESSURE? I THINK WE, I THINK, UH, I THINK YOU'VE DONE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE BUDGET THAT WELL, UH, IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE'S, UH, A NEW INITIATIVE WITH, UH, WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC UTILITIES TO DO, TO HAVE A, UM, I GUESS A MORE ELABORATE FIRE HYDRANT MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
AND WE CERTAINLY, UM, YOU MAY RECALL BACK IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF MS. MCGEE, WE CHANGED THE, UH, FIRE HYDRANT COLORS TO SILVER IN THE COUNTY, A BRIGHT REFLECTIVE SILVER, WHICH WILL REPLACE THE TWO-TONE FIRE HYDRANTS, SO THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UH, MORE VISIBLE AND EASIER TO LOCATE AT NIGHTTIME.
AND AS YOU GET MORE FIRE HYDRANTS, UH, AND WE HAVE OVER 638 OF THOSE FIRE HYDRANTS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, THE COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU START TO, UM, TRY TO GET 'EM ALL PAINTED.
IT TAKES MORE TIME WHEN YOU DO THE TWO-TONE PAINT.
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KNOW, WHAT WE SEE IN OUR NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS WITH RIKO AND CHESTERFIELD AND CITY OF RICHMOND.AND SO I THINK THE BRIGHT, REFLECTIVE SILVER WAS THE WAY TO GO.
UM, I, I DON'T MEAN TO PICK AT A SCAB, BUT THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION THAT FIREWORKS PERMITTING IN THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO CREATE SOME STRAIN ON RESOURCES.
HAVE WE HAD ANY STRAIN DUE TO FIREWORK PERMITTING? WELL, SIR, UM, WE, WE HAVE, UH, LOOKED AT THAT CLOSELY AND WE'VE, UH, TRIED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, TIMES THAT WE, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET'S SAY THIS, WE'VE COVERED ALL THE, THE SHOWS, UH, SUCCESSFULLY.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THAT WE'VE, UH, WORKED ON OUR STAFFING TO COVER THOSE SHOWS RIGHT UP TO THE LAST MINUTE.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET, IN SOME CASES, UH, VOLUNTEER MEMBERS ASSISTED US WITH COVERING THOSE.
UM, I THINK WHAT I KNOW IS THAT, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN THREE, THREE SHOWS THAT WE'VE COVERED, UH, WITHOUT INCIDENT AT THE WEDDING VENUE, UH, THAT MIGHT BE, UH, IN QUESTION.
AND WE'VE ALSO COVERED THE GLAND HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION FIREWORK SHOW, AS WELL AS THE COUNTY 4TH OF JULY SHOW.
I BELIEVE THERE'S A SHOW COMING UP, UH, MAYBE LABOR DAY, THAT'S A PRIVATE SHOW AT HERMITAGE, UH, COUNTRY CLUB.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFFING IS PRETTY DYNAMIC AND SO IS OUR, UH, CALL ACTIVITY.
AND SO WHILE WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH THOSE, WE'RE WE'LL CONTINUE TO, TO MONITOR AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN, CAN DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.
BUT THERE ARE SOME DAYS THAT WE HAVE, UH, LESS STAFF ON DUTY THAN WE DO OTHERS.
UH, BUT WE'RE PRETTY RESOURCEFUL AND WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO COVER THAT.
IF THAT'S YOUR WILL AND DESIRE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
WELL, AND, AND PART OF THAT IS ALSO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PERMITTING FEE IS APPROPRIATE.
THAT, THAT WE ARE NOT SUBSIDIZING THAT, THAT IF THERE IS A BONAFIDE COST ASSOCIATED.
SO I, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS GOING ON AND REWRITING THAT, AND OUR, OUR FEE SCHEDULE WILL BE ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE, THE, THE PERMITTING FEE FOR FIREWORKS IS $125.
AND I THINK THERE'S A PROVISION IN THERE, MS. MCGEE, MAY IT CORRECT ME THAT, WHERE IF THE, UH, FIRE MARSHAL'S TIME GOES OVER THREE HOURS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, YEAH, I THINK IT'S THREE HOURS MAYBE.
WELL, MAYBE IT'S FOUR THAT WE COULD, WE CAN CHARGE FOR THAT HOUR.
UH, SO IF THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE US TO DO, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
UH, MOST OF THE FEES THAT I'VE BEEN USED TO SEEING ARE ALWAYS, UH, PART OF THE BUDGET PACKET AND, UH, GET ADOPTED WHEN THE NEW FEE SCHEDULE GOES IN.
AND WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF TIME TO, TO LOOK AT THAT IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE US, UH, INCREASE THE, THE PERMIT FEES.
AND THEN THE, THE LAST QUESTION I WOULD HAVE, AND, AND THIS, UH, SOMEWHAT DOVETAILS ON MR. UH, SPOONER'S, UH, STATION EIGHT.
CAN THIS BOARD BE DOING ANYTHING TO HELP ACCELERATE THE, UM, ERECTION OF THE, UH, I'LL CALL IT EQUIPMENT BARN? I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT WORD WOULD BE FOR IT, BUT, UH, YEAH, I KNOW IT'S ON THE RADAR AND IT JUST SEEMS TO BE PINGING ON THE RADAR.
HOW DO WE MOVE THAT FORWARD? YES, SIR.
IT HAS, UH, IT, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, STATION EIGHT, AND THAT'S SANDY HOOK, UH, STATION.
WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THE, THE DAYLIGHT AMBULANCE OUT OF THERE SINCE THE ROUNDABOUT CONSTRUCTION BACK IN APRIL OF 2023.
AND, UH, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
WE'RE WORKING WITH, UM, TIMMONS AND HBA TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN, CAN FAST TRACK THAT TO GET THAT PROJECT OUT TO BID.
AND I KNOW WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, THE, THE BIG PICTURE OF ALL OF OUR FIRE STATIONS AND NOT JUST STATION EIGHT, BUT WEST CREEK AND, AND JUST WHAT IN CROSIER, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CROSIER, UH, IS IN THE CIP TO BE REBUILT AT SOME POINT SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO WHERE IT IS TODAY, UH, BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE BUILDING AND SOME THINGS THERE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE AT THE SAME TIME.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING, BUT I THINK, UM, I THINK WE'RE DOING ALL WE CAN DO AT OUR LEVELS TO, TO PUSH THAT, UH, AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, AND MAYBE THAT'S A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR QUESTION, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE DOING AS A BOARD TO MOVE IT OFF THE SLOPE METER AND MOVE IT UP TO THE ACCELERATE METER.
THANK YOU, MR. WELL, AND, UH, JUST BEFORE YOU LEAVE MR. FERGUSON, I JUST WANTED TO STRESS, AND IT WAS, IT WAS REFERENCED, UH, THE VOLUNTEER FIRE ASSOCIATION SHOULD BE COMMENDED.
UH, THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE, PARTICULARLY AT STATIONS ONE AND FIVE NOW IS EXCEPTIONAL.
AND, AND THREE ALSO REALLY IS A GREAT WAY TO ATTRACT THE TALENT THAT WE SAW JUST, UH, A FEW MINUTES AGO IN HERE, BEING NOTED, BRINGING ON.
AND, UM, THAT IS A HUGE ASSET TO OUR COUNTY.
AND, UH, IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT, I'M SURE THEY'LL WELCOME YOU.
BUT MAKE SURE TO BRING FOOD TO OUR, UH, VOLUNTEERS AND STAFF, UM, AND THEY'LL GLADLY TAKE IT.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT FOR FIRE RESCUE.
UM, ADDITIONAL REPORTS FROM PLANNING, FINANCE, BROADBAND, AND AGRICULTURE ARE IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS WISH TO REPORT ON ANY REGIONAL BOARDS ON WHICH THEY'RE SERVING?
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UH, THE R-R-T-P-O DID NOT MEET IN AUGUST.UH, SO WE GOT THE WHOLE MONTH OFF, BUT, UH, WE WILL BE BACK IN ACTION IN SEPTEMBER.
ANYONE ELSE? CVTA MEETS THIS FRIDAY AND WE WILL BE HAVING OUR ELECTIONS OF, WHICH IS GONNA BE INTERESTING 'CAUSE THERE'S NO ROTATION, SO THAT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE.
I WILL NOW MOVE ON AND ASK MR. CARPENTER TO SUMMARIZE THE ITEMS UNDER CONSENT, AND THEN WE'LL SEEK A MOTION EITHER AS A GROUP OR TAKEN INDIVIDUALLY ON THAT LIST OF ITEMS. AND NUMBER THREE HAS BEEN PULLED, BUT MR. CARPENTER WILL REFERENCE THAT AND MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS THE BOARD.
WE HAVE, UM, EIGHT ITEMS IN THE
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CONSENT AGENDA.NOW THE FIRST ITEM IS CONSTRUCTION OF ROADS WITHIN PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
SECTION FIVE SUBDIVISION IS COMPLETE.
THE ROADS REQUESTED TO BE ACCEPTED BY VR HUTTON CIRCLE AND ALDER BE STREET A TOTAL DISTANCE OF 0.11 MILES.
THE SECOND ITEM IS CONSTRUCTION OF ROADS WITHIN MOSAIC AT WEST CREEK SUBDIVISION.
THE ROADS REQUESTED TO BE ACCEPTED ARE QUICKSILVER MUSE TESS ARRAY WAY CITRINE RUN AND SARU IN PLACE, TOTAL DISTANCE OF 0.57 MILES.
THE NEXT ITEM, VIRGINIA CODE 2.2 31 15 REQUIRES THAT CERTAIN MEMBERS OF BOARDS AND AUTHORITIES FILE CONFLICT OF INTEREST ACT DISCLOSURE FORMS ANNUALLY WITH THE CLERK TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE SAME LAW STATE LAW PROVIDES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY REQUIRE SIMILAR FILINGS FROM OTHER CITIZENS THAT IT APPOINTS TO LOCAL BOARDS IF IT ADOPTS A POLICY STATING ITS FILING REQUIREMENTS.
ON DECEMBER 7TH, 2021, THE BOARD ADOPTED A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING ITS POLICY OF HAVING CITIZENS IT APPOINTS FILE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FORM.
LAST YEAR DURING THE ANNUAL AUDIT FOR THE COMMUNITY POLICY MANAGEMENT TEAM, THE CPMT, THE AUDITOR FOR THAT ORGANIZATION MISREPRESENTED THE BOARD'S ADOPTED RESOLUTION AND REQUIRED CONFLICT OF INTEREST FORMS TO BE SUBMITTED, NOT JUST FROM THE TWO CITIZENS APPOINTED TO THE CPMT BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT FROM ALL MEMBERS OF THE CPMT, WHICH INCLUDES PERSONS WHO SERVE ON THE CPM T'S REPRESENTATIVES OF A LOCAL AGENCY.
STAFF REQUESTS THE BOARD ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE CPMT, ONLY THE TWO CITIZENS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD, THE PARENT REPRESENTATIVE AND THE PRIVATE PROVIDER REPRESENTATIVE ARE REQUIRED TO FILE A STATEMENT OF ECONOMIC INTEREST ANNUALLY.
THE NEXT ITEM, THE BOARD IS REQUESTED TO AMEND AND APPROPRIATE FUNDS TO THE FISCAL YEAR 25 SCHOOL OPERATING FUND AS FOLLOWS, UH, SCHOOL BOARD IS REQUESTING A BUDGET SUPPLEMENT TOTALING $701,067 AS DESCRIBED BELOW, A NET DECREASE IN LOCAL FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF 49,459 TO THE SCHOOL OPERATING FUND TO REFLECT THE INCREASE OF CELL TOWER RENT AND THE REPLACEMENT OF THE HEAD START PROGRAM GRANT AT BIRD ELEMENTARY, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY FUNDED THROUGH THE CITY OF RICHMOND WITH THE STATE'S VIRGINIA PRESCHOOL INITIATIVE AND A NET INCREASE IN STATE FUNDING AND THE AMOUNT OF 750,526 TO THE SCHOOL OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE ADDITIONAL VIRGINIA PRESCHOOL INITIATIVE, FUNDING ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION TO TEACHERS OVER WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD AND A GROCERY TAX HELD HARMLESS DISTRIBUTION AND A DECREASE IN SALES TAX TO BE RECEIVED.
NO ADDITIONAL COUNTY FUNDS ARE INCLUDED IN THIS REQUEST.
NEXT ITEM, SIDEWALKS THAT ARE BUILT IN MOSAIC SECTION THREE ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND ARE TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
HOWEVER, THESE SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED BY VDOT SUBDIVISION STREET ACCEPTANCE REQUIREMENTS AS A FUNCTION OF PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, VDOT REQUIRES GOIN COUNTY TO ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT WITH VDOT TO ENSURE THE SIDEWALKS WILL BE MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY TO PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY REMAINS ALONG THESE ROADS.
THE NEXT ITEM, THE BOARD IS REQUESTED TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE ATTACHED SPECIAL PROJECT SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH THE C-V-W-M-A, THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA WASTE MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY, ALLOWING FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE COLLECTION EVENT.
THE CURRENT AGREEMENT ALLOWS THE SELECTED VENDORS TO PROVIDE FOR THE COLLECTION AND TRANSPORTATION OF HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE TO A VIRGINIA DEQ APPROVED DISPOSAL FACILITY.
IT'LL PROVIDE BETTER AND MORE CONSISTENT CUSTOMER SERVICE.
THE AGREEMENT INCLUDES UP TO A 5% ANNUAL INCREASE IN THE COST OF SERVICES BEGINNING JULY 1ST, 2025.
BASED ON THE CPI, IT ALLOWS THE VENDORS TO PROVIDE FOR THE COLLECTION AND TRANSPORTATION OF HAZARDOUS HOUSEHOLD WASTE TO A DEQ APPROVED FACILITY THAT'LL PROVIDE BETTER, MORE CONSISTENT CUSTOMER SERVICE.
AGAIN, THIS, THE AGREEMENT ALLOWS, SO ANYWAY, UM,
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SORRY, DID THAT TWICE.UM, THE NEXT ITEM, THE BORDERS REQUESTED TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2024 TO CONSIDER THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, AMENDMENT AND GUIDELINES FOR THE SELECTION, EVALUATION, AND AWARD OF DESIGN, BUILD AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT CONTRACTS.
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS MADE SEVERAL CHANGES TO THEIR PROCUREMENT GUIDELINES, WHICH UCHIN COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE INTO ITS COUNTY CODES.
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CHANGES INCLUDE ALLOWING COOPERATIVE PROCUREMENT TO BE USED TO INSTALL PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, INCREASING THE AUTHORITY FOR JOB ORDER CONTRACTS.
CURRENTLY, THE COUNTY CAN AWARD JOB ORDER CONTRACTS FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS, SO LONG AS THE CONTRACTS REQUIRE SIMILAR EXPERTISE AND ARE LIMITED TO A ONE YEAR TERM.
THE PROPOSED CHANGES IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY RAISES THE MAXIMUM CONTRACT AMOUNT FROM 6 MILLION TO 10 MILLION FOR MULTIPLE CONTRACTS AND FROM 500,000 TO 1 MILLION FOR AN INDIVIDUAL JOB ORDERS REQUIRING OFFERS TO ANY STATE, I'M SORRY, REQUIRING OFFERS TO STATE ANY EXCEPTIONS TO THE COUNTY'S CONTRACT TERMS AND CONDITIONS, INCLUDING LIABILITY PROVISIONS AT THE TIME OF RESPONDING TO AN RFP AND AMENDING PROCEDURES FOR THE COUNTY'S USE OF CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT OR DESIGN BUILD CONTRACTS FOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AS OPPOSED TO THE USUAL DESIGN BID BUILD PROCUREMENT METHOD.
CHANGES INCLUDE NOT BEING ABLE TO CONSIDER A CONTRACTOR'S PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WITH THESE TYPE OF CONTRACTS AS A FACTOR FOR PRE-QUALIFYING CONTRACTORS.
THE 2023 GENERAL ASSEMBLY ALSO AMENDED THIS CODE SECTION TO STATE THAT THE 10% CONTRACT LIMIT FOR WORK THAT CAN BE PERFORMED BY CONSTRUCTION MANAGER DOES NOT APPLY TO INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
SO THIS UPDATE IS ALSO IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
STATE LAW REQUIRES BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ADOPT A POLICY PRIOR TO USING EITHER OF THESE TYPES OF CONTRACTS.
SO PROCUREMENT STAFF IS PROVIDING THIS POLICY TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ADOPT.
SO THESE METHODS COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.
FINALLY, THE BOARD IS REQUESTED TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2024 TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENT STAFF WISHES TO AMEND SEVERAL SECTIONS OF ITS TAX ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE TAX RELIEF TO SMALL BUSINESSES.
THESE AMENDMENTS WILL INCREASE THE MINIMUM TAX ASSESSMENT FROM $2 TO $10 TO ELIMINATE THE TAX BURDEN FOR LOW VALUED PROPERTY AND TO ALLOW FOR EFFICIENCIES IN THE TAX COLLECTION PROCESSES.
ELIMINATE THE $25 FLAT RATE BUSINESS LICENSE TAX OR BUSINESSES WITH GROSS RECEIPTS BETWEEN 10,000 AND 50,000, AND THEN CREATE A $25 FLAT RATE BUSINESS LICENSE FEE FOR GUC BASED CONTRACTORS AND SPECULATIVE BUILDERS AND APPLY THE ALREADY EXISTING RATE OF 10 CENTS PER HUNDRED ON ALL CONTRACTORS AND SPECULATIVE BUILDERS WITH GROSSER STREETS IN THE COUNTY GREATER THAN $25,000 IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE 58 1 DASH 37 15.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.
UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE EIGHT ITEMS ON THE, UH, AGENDA OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MOVED.
UM, DISCUSSION AND, AND DISCUSSION.
UH, HAVE WE PULLED OUT NUMBER THREE? YES.
SO ARE WE DISCUSSING THREE? DO WE NO, NO, NO.
NOT, WE'RE DISCUSSING EVERYTHING ABOUT THREE.
YES, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND YOU DISCUSSION? YES, MR. SPINOFF? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, UH, CALL TO, UH, EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION.
NUMBER NINE ON HERE, WHICH I THINK IT WINDS UP BEING NUMBER EIGHT, BUT, UM, THE, IT, IT, ANYTIME THAT WE CAN MAKE THINGS EASIER ON BUSINESSES AND, AND REDUCE TAX BURDEN, I'M A BIG FAN AND WHILE, YOU KNOW, $25 DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT, WE, I I, THE AMOUNT OF SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COUNTY AT THE, IN THE CRAFT STORES, AND IT DOES AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO I'M VERY EXCITED, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, TO OFFER SOME RELIEF.
ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? OKAY, MR. CARPENTER, IS IT OKAY? UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
UH, NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE.
MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS, THE BOARD, UH, GLAND COUNTY WAS AWARDED 1,000,001.
MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS, THE BOARD GLAND COUNTY WAS AWARDED $1,130,220
[3. Resolution amending the Fiscal Year 2025 Goochland County Budget to transfer and appropriate $960,826 within the County Capital Improvement Program Fund for the Courthouse Sidewalk Phase I project, and authorize contract execution with the Virginia Department of Transportation]
FROM THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES GRANT TO BUILD A PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK NETWORK WITHIN THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE, THE COUNTY MUST PROVIDE A MATCH OF ALMOST $600,000.THE COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS THE FOLLOWING FUNDS AVAILABLE 960,826 THAT IS IN THE EAST END FUND TRAIL TRAILS FUND.
THE FUNDS WERE IDENTIFIED AS AVAILABLE FOR TRANSFER, GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE EAST END TRAIL PROJECT.
TRANSFERRING THESE ALLOWS, THESE FUNDS ALLOWS PREVIOUSLY
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IDENTIFIED FUNDS FOR ONE PEDESTRIAN FACILITY TO BE UTILIZED FOR ANOTHER PEDESTRIAN FACILITY.IN ADDITION, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR NEEDS AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE THE ATTACHED AGREEMENT REFLECTING THE PROJECT COSTS AND REIMBURSEMENT ONCE IT IS APPROVED AT THE LEGAL FORM BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. LAU, I, I'M GONNA MOVE TO APPROVE THAT, BUT I WANNA AMPLIFY WHY I'M MAKING THAT MOTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, MONEY'S FUNGIBLE AND, AND THERE IS, I I THINK A CONCERN THAT BY REALLOCATING WHAT IS REALLY IDLE MONEY, IT'S NOT BEING USED, UH, TO A PROJECT THAT IS ACTIVE MEANS THAT WE'RE GONNA SOMEHOW PUT A STAKE THROUGH OR ABANDONED THE EAST TRAIL, EAST END TRAIL PROJECT.
AND, AND I'M NOT VIEWING IT THAT WAY.
I, UM, HOPE IT'S SEEN THAT I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR MORE COUNTY PRESENCE, MORE RESOURCES FROM THE COUNTY IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
BUT I'M, I'M A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE AND HAVING MONEY JUST SIT DOING NOTHING GOES AGAINST MY NATURE.
AND SO RATHER THAN GO OUT AND TRY TO SCRAMBLE FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS SOMEWHERE ELSE, LET'S USE RESOURCES WE ALREADY HAVE.
STAFF HAS ALSO ADVISED THAT WE COULD REPLENISH THAT $900,000 LITERALLY WITHIN A MONTH, THAT THE PROPER STREAM OF REVENUE IS SUCH THAT IF, IF TOMORROW LIGHT, WELL, I'M NOT GONNA SAY LIGHTNING STRUCK, THAT'S BAD.
UM, IF, IF A MIRACLE HAPPENED, UH, MAYBE NOT A MIRACLE, IF SOMETHING GOOD HAPPENED, UH, WE COULD REALLOCATE OR FUND THE EAST END TRAILS AT $900,000 LEVEL.
SO THIS IS SIMPLY, I THINK, GOOD FISCAL MANAGEMENT.
WE'RE TAKING AN IDLE RESOURCE THAT IN ESSENCE HAS BEEN SITTING IN A JAR ON OUR DRESSER DOING NOTHING.
AND WE'RE GONNA PUT IT TO WORK WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN, AND I'M USING THAT WORD KNOWINGLY, WHEN THE EAST END TRAIL STARTS TO RAMP UP ACTIVITY, IT WILL BE PROPERLY FUNDED.
SO THIS IS NOT TAKING FROM THE EAST END TO DO SOMETHING.
AND WE'RE A COUNTY, WE'RE NOT FIVE LITTLE DISTRICTS, WE'RE A COUNTY.
AND SO THIS IS GONNA BENEFIT EVERYBODY.
BUT I DID WANT TO AMPLIFY THAT THIS IS NOT TAKING SOMETHING AWAY IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IT'S USING RESOURCES WE'VE GOT AND LET'S PUT 'EM TO WORK.
SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION, MR. WINFREY? YEAH, I JUST WANT TO ADD, UH, DURING THE TRANSPORTATION SESSION WE HAD, WHICH IS A PUBLIC, UH, SESSION, I THINK, UM, THAT WAS PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH EXPLAINED, UH, AND MADE VERY CLEAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, EXPLAINED IT FURTHER IN THIS PUBLIC DOCUMENT.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS, IS REITERATING WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ALREADY SAID.
SO YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY REALIZED THAT WE'RE BEING TRANSPARENT ON THAT, I GUESS, ALTHOUGH THAT'S A WORD I DON'T LIKE TO USE.
UM, AND FINALLY, UH, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? NO, NO, I DO.
UNLESS YOU WANNA MR. MR. AUER.
UM, YEAH, THIS ONE'S BEEN A TOUGH ONE FOR ME BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING TO EITHER IMPROVE THE CURRENT SIDEWALK IN THE COURTHOUSE OR AN, WHICH INCLUDES PUTTING COURTHOUSE ON THE SOUTH SIDE AS WELL, UM, SINCE BEFORE IT BECAME MY DISTRICT.
SO I'VE BEEN A BIG FAN OF THIS.
I SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE UTILIZING THE SIDEWALKS ALL THE TIME AND HAVING HAD TO WALK IT ONE WINTER EVENING IN THE DARK IN THE RAIN MYSELF, IT, IT WAS, UH, I I SAW WHAT A CHALLENGE THAT COULD BE.
HOWEVER, UM, A $1.6 MILLION SIDEWALK FOR THE LENGTH THAT IT IS, WAS SOMETHING THAT I COULD NOT STOMACH.
AND I HAD A, A REAL HARD TIME, UM, UH, COMING UP WITH THIS, SO MUCH SO THAT I ASKED OUR TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR, MR. GOWAN, TO PROVIDE US A MORE DETAILED LIST OF WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE.
AND I'M, I'M SHOPPING THAT AROUND, UH, WITH SOME FOLKS TO KIND OF LOOK AT SOME OF THE NUMBERS.
UM, THE THING THAT DREW MY SUPPORT TO THIS IS TWO FACETED.
NUMBER ONE, UH, THAT WHILE I DON'T THINK A $1.6 MILLION SIDEWALK, THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER, I KNOW THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT FOR THE, FOR OUR CONTRIBUTION.
I KNOW THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT FOR THE 530,000.
AND WHILE I'D LIKE TO BE AN ALTRUIST AND THINK, WELL, IF, IF WE FOREGO THE, THE FEDERAL, DO THE FEDERAL DOLLARS, THE, IF WE WOULD, IF WE FORE WENT THE FEDERAL DOLLARS, THEN I'M SURE THEY GO TO SOME GREAT USE AT THIS POINT.
I, I FEEL LIKE WE WOULD BE DOING OUR CITIZENS A DISSERVICE TO TURN DOWN THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS.
THAT BEING SAID, UM, I BELIEVE, UH, UH, MR. CARPENTER, THIS IS AN AMAZING EXAMPLE THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ON OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH OUR, OUR REPRESENTATIVES AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION TO, BECAUSE TO SHOW HOW OUTRAGEOUS THESE OVER COSTS ARE.
UM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT A ROUNDABOUT AND ALL THE FACETS THAT GO INTO THAT, BUT THIS IS A SMALL ENOUGH PROJECT THAT I THINK EVEN A NONT TRANSPORTATION PERSON LIKE MYSELF CAN UNDERSTAND WE, AND
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LOOK AT IT AND GO, THIS, THIS IS CRAZY.UM, THAT IT WOULD COST THIS MUCH.
AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN DRIVE SOME SORT OF CHANGE AND, AND, AND AT LEAST BRING LIGHT TO THESE, THESE TRANSPORTATION COSTS ARE OUT OF CONTROL AND, AND UNNECESSARILY.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO FORM, I, I KNOW I CAN'T GIVE AN A, A CONTINGENT APPROVAL, BUT MAYBE A, A FRIENDLY HANDSHAKE THAT THIS GETS ON.
WE, WE ADD THIS TO OUR, UH, OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA TO, TO DISCUSS WITH OUR DELEGATES.
AND, UM, ONE FINAL THING I WOULD ADD, UNLESS THERE ARE OTHERS, IS, UM, A LOT OF CITIZENS ASK WHEN THINGS GO, UH, I SIT IDLE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING.
HAS THAT BEEN, HAVE WE PUT A STAKE THROUGH THE HEART OF IT? AND OFTENTIMES, I, I WOULD SAY, UH, IT'S A GOOD TO GREAT TYPE OF SITUATION.
WE CAN TAKE THE DOLLARS WE'VE BEEN, UH, APPRO, WE'VE APPROVED IN A BUDGET AND RUN WITH IT.
BUT I THINK OFTENTIMES WE DO AS MR. SPOON, UH, SP, MR. SPOON, HOWER JUST REFERENCED, AND, UM, LOOKING DEEPER, TRYING TO FIND HOW WE CAN DO IT MOST EFFICIENTLY, BUT ALSO, UM, THAT AT THE GREATEST IMPACT TO THE COUNTY.
SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY OFTEN IT'S, UH, JUST GOOD THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE PIVOTS IN TIME BECAUSE DOLLARS ARE FUNGIBLE AND WE WANT TO GIVE OUR CITIZENS, UM, WHAT THEY'VE PUT THEIR TAX DOLLARS TOWARDS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WITH EXECUTABLE PROJECTS.
SO SEEING THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CAN I TAKE THE VOTE FROM SUPERVISORS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
UH, TODAY WE HAVE FOUR APPOINTMENTS TO MAKE.
[XI. New Business]
I GONNA READ.UH, FIRST TO THE GLIN POWHATAN COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD, THE APPOINTMENT OF SANDRA LIBO FOR A THREE YEAR TERM EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1ST, 2024 TO JUNE 30TH, 2027.
WE'LL DO ALL OF THEM AT ONE TIME.
UH, SECOND TO THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, C-B-T-A-T.
STAFF ALTERNATE FOR A REAPPOINTMENT EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JULY 31ST, 2026.
AND AUSTIN GOIN STAFF MEMBER WITH A REAPPOINTMENT EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JULY 31ST, 2026.
AND FINALLY FOR THE RR TPO COMMUNITY TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, MR. AUSTIN GOYIN AS STAFF ALTERNATE WITH THE TERM EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JULY 31ST, 2026 FOR ALL FOUR TOGETHER.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO, MOVE MR. BERNARD.
UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.
I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I, I SEE THAT MR. GOIN FOR THE R-R-T-P-O IS STAFF ALTERNATIVE OR ALTERNATE? UM, WHO, WHO IS OUR STAFF PRIMARY? HE IS, IS IT? OH, HERE WE GO.
UM, THE, THE COMMUNITY TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT I AM THE MEMBER OF.
SO IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TECHNICAL COMMITTEE.
WHY HAVE I NOT MEMORIZED ALL THESE ACRONYMS? I HAVEN'T EITHER.
YOU WERE A DISAPPOINTMENT MR. LAU IN MORE WAYS THAN I CAN LIST.
JUST IN SUPPORT, UH, MR. CARPENTER AND I WENT TO, UM, PLAN RVA.
ACTUALLY, WE WENT WITH THE CVTA DIRECTOR AND, UM, UNSOLICITED, HE HAD A GREAT FEEDBACK, UH, REGARDING MR. GOEN, HIS PARTICIPATION AND WHAT HE BRINGS TO THAT COMMITTEE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW HE IS BEEN TRYING TO GET OFF IT FOR YEARS, BUT I THINK IF WE CAN WRANGLE HIM INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, HE WOULD DO GOOSE IN A LOT OF GOOD.
SEEING THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
WE WILL NOW BREAK IN ORDER TO ATTEND NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AT THE COURTHOUSE GREEN, I INVITE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN US.
WE WILL RECONVENE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS AT 7:00 PM IN THIS ROOM.
[XII. Dinner Break/Recess: 6PM Sheriff’s National Night Out on the Courthouse Green, 2938 River Road West]
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COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.[XIII. 7:00 PM - Chair Calls Meeting Back to Order]
UH, FIRST WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.CITIZENS ARE REMINDED THAT COMMENTS SHOULD BE ABOUT ITEMS NOT
[XIV. Citizen Comment]
COVERED BY THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEING HELD LATER TONIGHT.COMMENT SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL AND NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES IN LENGTH.
SHOULD MULTIPLE CITIZENS WISH TO HAVE A COMMON SPEAKER, THEY MAY CEDE THEIR TIME IN TWO MINUTE INCREMENTS, UP TO A TOTAL ALLOTTED TIME OF 10 MINUTES PER BOARD'S.
RULES OF PROCEDURE SECTION 3.2.
A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME INTENDED FOR NOT MORE, NOT TO BE MORE THAN AN HOUR IS ALLOCATED FOR CITIZEN'S COMMENT, PERIOD.
WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
UM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND, UM, PUSH.
MAKE SURE YOU'VE PUSHED THE GREEN BUTTON, UH, TO ACTIVATE THE SPEAKER.
I WILL OPEN THE CITIZEN COMMENT.
THANK YOU SUPERVISORS FOR, UH, GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
HE, I OWN A PROPERTY HERE IN GUGLIN.
THE PARTS OF MY BACKGROUND, WHICH ARE RELEVANT TONIGHT, I'M A CPA, AN ENGINEER.
I'M AN SM S-M-U-M-B-A GRADUATE, THAT'S A TOP 20 SCHOOL.
I'M A GRADUATE OF SMU OIL AND GAS STRATEGY SCHOOL.
IT'S RECOGNIZED WORLDWIDE, HAVE WORLDWIDE EXPERIENCE IN OIL EXPLORATION PRODUCTION, AND HAVE WORKED AT AND WITH MAJOR OIL COMPANIES IN THE UNITED STATES AND HAVE MY OWN COMPANY NOW, TEXAS TIMBER LAND AND MINERALS, LLC.
MY TOPIC TONIGHT IS PRESERVING GLAND'S, RURAL NATURE VIA DRILL, BABY DRILL.
ALL GLAND THAT I TALK TO DISCUSS ENDLESSLY THE DEFENSE AGAINST URBANIZATION.
MY POINT'S GONNA BE VERY SIMPLE.
AS A PROFESSIONAL AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, CURRENT TECHNIQUES AND EFFORTS TO STOP URBAN SPRAWL FOLLOWING NORTH VIRGIN, NORTHERN VIRGINIA'S APPROACH WILL FAIL.
FOR THE MOST PART, THE TECHNIQUES ARE AGGRESSIVE AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
20 YEARS AGO, GLIN WAS LISTED AS ONE OF THE TOP 10 RICHEST COUNTIES IN AMERICA.
TODAY, WE CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE TOP 100.
WE SAY WE DO NOT WANNA BE LIKE NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
THEN WE USE THE TOOLS TO RESIST URBAN EXPANSION.
THE SAME TOOLS WHICH MADE NORTHERN VIRGINIA THE URBAN MESS.
IT IS, THERE IS JUST ONE WAY TO REDUCE THE EXPANSION OF URBANIZATION IN THE GLAND AND HELP ALL THE PEOPLE HERE AT THE SAME TIME.
IT'S THE RAISE THE PRICE OF LAND IN GLAND TODAY, PEOPLE ARE OFFERING TO BUY LAND IN GLAND.
THE PRICES FAR BELOW GLEN ALLEN, HANOVER, AND FAIRFAX WE'RE ON SALE AND BARGAIN PRICED.
THE LAND HERE SHOULD BE WORTH TWO TIMES THE PRICE OF LAND IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WE ARE NOT NORTHERN VIRGINIA, WE ARE SIMPLY NOT PRICING OUR LAND AT ANYWHERE NEAR THE TRUE UNDERLYING VALUE.
OUR TRUE UNDERLYING VALUE IS BASED ON PROXIMITY, TOPOGRAPHY, TALENT, WORKFORCE ACCESS TO EXCELLENT ROADWAYS, GAS LINES, A HUGE RESERVE OF TIMBER FREIGHT LINES AND, AND THE OIL AND GAS UNDERNEATH US.
MY SUGGESTIONS, FOLLOW, EXPAND THE NATURAL GAS RESIDENTIAL LINES.
IT'LL REDUCE HEATING BILLS BY A FACTOR OF SIX.
INCREASE THE TIMBER STUMPAGE TO GLIN RESIDENTS BY A FACTOR OF FOUR.
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OIL AND GAS UNDER GLIN DUE TO TIME.
I'M JUST GONNA SPEAK TO THE OIL AND GAS.
IT IS SAID THAT THERE'S ENOUGH TO POWER RICHMOND FOR A HUNDRED YEARS.
THEY'RE THE WORDS OF A VIRGINIA SCHOLAR.
WELL PADS WOULD PROVIDE GLIN ENOUGH SEVERANCE TAX TO ELIMINATE, ELIMINATE ALL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAXES, MAKING IT FAR LESS LIKELY THAT RESIDENTS WOULD NEED TO SELL PROPERTY AT BARGAIN PRICES.
IF GLAND COUNCIL LEGISLATED 141 UNITIZED LOCATIONS OF 1,280 ACRES EACH, IT COULD RETAIN A SMALL MINERAL INTEREST AND ALL.
AND REGARDLESS OF WHERE AN ACTUAL WELL WAS HIDDEN, ALL GLAND RESIDENTS WOULD BENEFIT HANDSOMELY.
WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD REALLY SELL A HOME WITH NO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX? AND THEY'RE RECEIVING A HUNDRED TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
WE READ THROUGH THEM AND TAKE THEM CONSIDERATION ADDRESS.
OH, MR. HIN, COULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL? THANK YOU.
UH, MY RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS IS 1602 FAIRWAY CIRCLE GARLAND, TEXAS.
MY PROPERTY HERE IS 34 86 CEDAR PLAINS ROAD.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE GARMAN, 4,003 RURAL VIRGINIA LANE IN HAYDENVILLE.
JUST AS A REMINDER, THAT HUNTING SEASON WILL BE STARTING
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UP AGAIN BEFORE TOO LONG, AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR RESOLUTION TO NOT HAVE HUNTERS WITHIN A HUNDRED YARDS OF OUR PROPERTIES AND OTHER OCCUPIED BUILDINGS.SO I'M BASICALLY JUST A REMINDER THAT WE HAVEN'T RESOLVED THAT ISSUE YET.
SEEING NONE, I WILL NOW CLOSE THE FLOOR.
WE NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE FIRST, UH, WE HAVE SIX ON THE AGENDA.
[XV. Public Hearings - Start at 7:00 PM this evening]
THE FIRST ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, ITEM 6 1 2 7.[1. Ordinance amending County Code Sec. 14-251 (Tuckahoe Creek Service District) to include within the Service District a parcel located at 12693 Pamela Lane, identified as Tax Map No. 48-3-G-2-0]
ORDINANCE AMENDING COUNTY CODE SECTION 14 DASH 2 51 TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT TO INCLUDE WITHIN THE SERVICE DISTRICT.A PARCEL LOCATED AT 12 6 9 3 PAMELA LANE.
WELL SHOOT, HE JUST GAVE MOST OF MY PRESENTATION FOR ME.
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UH, TONIGHT, AS HE JUST STATED, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 2 51, WHICH COVERS THE TAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
SPEAK MIND IN WHICH WE HAVE RECEIVED A APPLICATION TO ADD A PARCEL.
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE TCSD FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT KNOW.
UM, IT WAS FORMED IN 2002 AS A WATER AND SEWER SERVICE DISTRICT TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER SERVICES TO AREAS OF THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY THAT LIE WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
AND TO PROVIDE A MECHANISM FOR DEBT SERVICE.
AS PART OF THE TC ADOPT TCSD ADOPTION, THERE WAS AN AVALOR TAX, UM, ADOPTED FOR THE PARCELS THAT ARE IN THE DISTRICT.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY ABOUT 2,500 PARCELS, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE NOW 'CAUSE WE ARE, WE'RE, UH, RECORDING SUBDIVISIONS ON A REGULAR BASIS HERE.
BUT, UH, AND, UH, SINCE 2002, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF PARCELS.
QUITE A FEW ACTUALLY, THAT HAVE ENTERED THE DISTRICT AND A VERY SMALL NUMBER HAVE EXITED.
UM, TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO ADD A, A PROPERTY OWNED BY DALE AND VICKY RUFFNER OF PAMELA LANE.
THEY'RE, UH, THEY ARE THE OWNERS OF TAX MAP PARCEL 28 3G TWO.
THEY'RE A PART OF THE BELLEVUE GARDEN SUBDIVISION.
THEIR STREET ADDRESS AS IS IN THE PACKAGES 12 6 93 PAMELA LANE.
THEY, UH, HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1952, WHICH SERVES AS THEIR PRI PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THEY HAVE RECENTLY EXPERIENCED A FAILED DRAIN FIELD.
AND THEY GOT, WHAT IS THAT, 70 WHATEVER YEARS OUTTA THAT DRAIN FIELD.
UM, SO THEY HAVE A NEED TO CONNECT TO THE SYSTEM.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE PARCELS HIGHLIGHTED HERE.
THE MANHOLE THAT THEY NEED TO CONNECT TO IS HIGHLIGHTED THERE.
THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR TO THEM, CLOSER TO THE MANHOLE, IS ALREADY IN THE DISTRICT AND IS ALREADY CONNECTED TO THE SEWER SYSTEM.
THE PARCELS TO THE RIGHT OF THEM, THE THREE PARCELS, THE ONE IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR, AND THEN THE TWO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, UH, UNUSED RIGHT OF WAY ARE NOT IN THE DISTRICT AND ARE ALSO ON DRAIN FIELDS.
SO, AS, AS PART OF LOOKING AT THIS PARCEL, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE FAILED DRAIN FIELDS ON THESE OTHER PARCELS THAT AREN'T IN THE DISTRICT.
UM, THE, UH, ROOFERS WILL HAVE TO CONSTRUCT A, A SHORT EXTENSION TO OUR SEWER SYSTEM.
WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM TO, UH, WELL JUST A COUPLE OF MINOR TWEAKS TO OUR, OUR STANDARDS TO ALLOW THEM TO SAVE SOME MONEY ON CONSTRUCTION.
BUT THEY ARE CONSTRUCTING THIS SO THAT IT CAN BE EXTENDED FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD AND POTENTIALLY SERVE THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR OR EVEN THE OTHER TWO DOWN THE STREET.
SO PART OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION MAY QUALIFY FOR, UH, FOR AN OVERSIZED CREDIT AGAINST THEIR CONNECTION FEE.
UM, A AS YOU KNOW, WE PUT, AS WE ADD PARCELS TO THE DISTRICT, WE PUT THEM IN THE LIST IN NUMERICAL ORDER.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THIS ONE WILL LIE WITHIN THE, THE OVERALL, UH, LIST SHOULD YOU APPROVE THE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
AND I GUESS THAT MEANS WE'RE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY THANK YOU, MR. STEVENS.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MR. STEVEN? THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE, THE OVERSIZED CREDIT.
FIRST OFF, I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION TO FOLKS, UH, IN THAT AREA.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S GOTTA BE A PRETTY, PRETTY CRAPPY SITUATION.
UM, SINCE THEY ARE GOING TO BE HELPING US
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OUT AND HELPING, HOW DO WE GET TO A DETERMINATION AND IF WE CAN, UM, HELP WITH THAT OVERSIZED CREDIT? WELL, BASICALLY THE OVERSIZED CREDITS ARE BASED ON THE ADDITIONAL COST OF BUILDING THE LARGER INFRASTRUCTURE.SO THEY EFFECTIVELY NEED A FOUR INCH SEWER LATERAL TO SERVE THEIR PROPERTY.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT EXPENSE AND THE COST OF PUTTING IN THE FOUR INCH LINE IS WHAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR A, FOR A CREDIT.
MR. SPOON HOWER THE OVERSIZED CREDIT'S IN COUNTY ORDINANCE.
WELL, I WASN'T GONNA SAY THAT, BUT IT, IT IS, IT IS WRITTEN IN THE, THE DESCRIPTION OF HOW IT'S APPLIED IS IN THERE.
AND WE FOLLOW IT TO THE LETTER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MR. UH, AND EARLIER CONVERSATIONS, UH, THE TOPIC WAS BROUGHT UP WHETHER THE APPLICANT COULD ACTUALLY DO SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORK OR INSTALLATION WORK THEMSELVES.
IS, IS THAT A VIABLE OPTION WHERE THEY CAN DO THE WORK AND IT WOULD BE TO OUR STANDARDS AND PERHAPS AS WE WITNESSED WITH SIDEWALKS, THERE WOULD NOT BE QUITE AS, UH, MUCH.
IN FACT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO QUOTE, DO IT THEMSELVES.
I MEAN, A CON GO HIRE A CONTRACTOR, I ASSUME, I DON'T KNOW THAT MR. RUFFNER HAS ANY EXCAVATION EQUIPMENT, BUT IF HE DOES, HE'S WELCOME TO USE IT HIMSELF.
BUT, UH, YES, UM, I, I, I SPENT A FEW MINUTES JUST LAYING OUT A, A QUICK DESIGN FOR WHAT THEY NEEDED.
IT WASN'T MUCH NEEDED TO BE PUT INTO IT.
SO THEY KNOW THE ROUTE, THEY KNOW THE DEPTH, THEY KNOW THE SLOPE OF THE PIPE, AND THEY WILL BE HIRING A CONTRACTOR TO PUT IT IN AND PAYING FOR THE WORK.
UH, SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, I'LL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, IS THE APPLICANT HERE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS, SIR? OKAY.
UM, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DO I HAVE A MOTION? UM, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THE BOARD, ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, AMENDING THE COUNTY CODE SECTION 14 DASH 2 51 TO ADD THIS TAX PARCEL TO THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
UH, THANK YOU MR. CARPENTER, WOULD YOU LIKE, OH, DISCUSSION, SIR? ANY? OKAY.
MR. CARPENTER, WOULD YOU TAKE THE ROLE? MS. CHRISTIE? AYE.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM TWO.
[2. Ordinance amending County Code Sec. 14-251 (Tuckahoe Creek Service District) to revise the parcel removal criteria]
ORDINANCE, UH, AMENDING COUNTY CODE SECTION 14 DASH 2 51 TGO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT TO REVISE THE PARCEL REMOVAL CRITERIA, MR. STEVENS.AYE, AGAIN, PRESENT LONG TIME? NO.
SEE, UM, THIS, THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED.
YOU DON'T USUALLY SEE AMENDMENTS TO THIS PART OF OUR, OUR CODE, SO I'M GONNA COVER IT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL PERHAPS, BUT, UH, THIS IS TO ADJUST, MAKE A MINOR ADJUSTMENT TO THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR PARCELS TO EXIT THE TCSD.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY THERE.
SO IN, IN 2019, UM, IT HAD BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A CATCHES CATCH CAN, AS FAR AS PEOPLE LEAVING THE DISTRICT, THERE WERE NO SET STANDARDS FOR LETTING PARCEL, LETTING PEOPLE APPLY AND GET OUT.
UM, SO IN THAT YEAR, THE BOARD AMENDED CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION 14 DASH 2 51, TO, UH, ESTABLISH STANDARD CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING WHETHER PARCELS A GIVEN PARCEL IS ELIGIBLE FOR REMOVAL.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, BUT THE EVERY TWO YEARS ON EVEN NUMBERED YEARS BETWEEN JUNE 1ST AND JULY 1ST IS THE ONLY TIME THAT APPLICANTS ARE ALLOWED TO PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTY REMOVED FROM THE DISTRICT.
THIS YEAR WE RECEIVED ONE APPLICATION, AND DURING MY RESEARCH ON THE PARCEL IN QUESTION, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING KIND OF INTERESTING THAT I HADN'T EXPECTED.
UM, AND IT'S RELATED TO THIS DESIRED ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA THAT, THAT, THAT A PARCEL THAT WILL IS TO BE REMOVED, MUST HAVE BEEN IN THE DISTRICT SINCE ITS INCEPTION OR, OR ACTUALLY MORE ACCURATELY HAD PAID THE A VALOREM TAX SINCE ITS INCEPTION.
THE FIRST YEAR IT WAS, UH, WAS, UH, ASSESSED WAS 2003.
SO THE PORTION OF THE, THE CURRENT PORTION OF THE, UH, OF THE ORDINANCE READS BASICALLY PROP PROPERTY, WHICH ENTERED THE DISTRICT.
THESE ARE INELIGIBLE TO BE RECEIVED PROPERTIES WHICH ENTERED THE DISTRICT AFTER ITS CREATION ON MAY 7TH, 2002, ARE INELIGIBLE FOR REMOVAL.
IT'S RECENTLY COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THIS CRITERION
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DOES NOT FULLY ACHIEVE THE INTENT, WHICH WAS TO ALLOW ANYBODY WHO'D BEEN PAYING THE TAX SINCE ITS INCEPTION TO POTENTIALLY BE REMOVED FOR TAX YEAR 2003, EVERY PARCEL WHICH HAD ENTERED THE TCSD ON OR BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST, 2002 WAS ASSESSED THIS TAX, WHICH ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT THE PARCELS THAT ENTERED BETWEEN MAY 8TH AND DECEMBER 31ST HAVE BORNE THE SAME TAX BURDEN AS THOSE PARCELS THAT WERE ENTERED THE NIGHT THAT THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS PASSED.UM, I'M SORRY, DID I JUST TURN THAT OFF? AS OUTLINED ON NEXT SLIDE, THIS PROPOSED MOR WILL ALLOW US TO APPLY THE EXACT SAME CRITERIA TO EXITING THE TCSD FOR EVERY PARCEL THAT HAS PAID THE ADMIRAL ALARM TAX SINCE 2003.
AND THAT INVOLVES CHANGING THE WORDING IN PART A FOUR OF THAT CODE SECTION FROM REMOVAL OF PARCELS.
THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES OF PROPERTIES ARE INELIGIBLE FOR EXCLUSION FROM THE SERVICE DISTRICT.
WE'RE GONNA CHANGE ITEM ROMAN NUMERAL THREE FROM PROPERTY, WHICH ENTERED THE DISTRICT AFTER ITS CREATION IN MAY 7TH, 2002, TO PROPERTY WHICH ENTERED THE DISTRICT AFTER DECEMBER 31ST, 2002.
I'VE GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARCELS IT MIGHT APPLY TO.
IT'S AT LEAST EIGHT OR NINE, POSSIBLY AS MANY AS, AS MANY AS 15.
WE, WE, UH, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, DON'T HAVE THE GREATEST RECORDS ON EXACTLY WHEN SOME PARCELS ENTERED THE DISTRICT.
BUT IN CHECKING TAX RECORDS, YOU CAN DETERMINE WHETHER A GIVEN PARCEL HAS BEEN ASSESSED THAT TAX SINCE 2003.
SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE AVENUE I WENT TO FIND OUT THAT THE, THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, THE APPLICATION THAT BROUGHT THIS UP WAS, UH, WAS, HAD PAID THE TAX SINCE ITS INCEPTION.
AND SO, ANY QUESTIONS? IT WAS A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED, BUT ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, MR. CHRIST, BY, UH, PEOPLE LEAVING THE TCSD, DOES THAT ADD TAXES TO THE PEOPLE THAT REMAIN? WELL, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT WAS ADOPTED TO ALLOW PARCELS TO POTENTIALLY, 'CAUSE THE BOARD HAS TO DECIDE, THE BOARD CAN DECIDE YES OR NO ON ANY APPLICATION FOR WHATEVER REASON, REALLY.
BUT THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC DEFINITE CRITERIA.
AND ONE OF THEM IS THAT IN ORDER FOR AN APPLICANT TO BE ELIGIBLE TO BE REMOVED, AN EQUAL VALUE IN PROPERTIES TO THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY MUST HAVE ENTERED THE DISTRICT IN THE PREVIOUS TWO CALENDAR YEARS.
SO THAT, THAT'S OKAY, BUT WE, WE HAD A COUPLE OF REALLY LARGE PARCELS JOINED JUST LAST YEAR.
SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF LAND VALUE ENTERED MORE THAN ENOUGH TO COVER THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL THAT'S IN QUESTION.
BUT, BUT TO TRY TO AVOID HAVING THE TAX GO UP OR HAVE PROBLEMS WITH NOT COLLECTING ENOUGH REVENUE, THAT PARTICULAR, UM, CRITERIA WAS ADDED TO THE, IF I MAY, UM, THE PROPERTY IN THE DISTRICT SERVES AS COLLATERAL FOR THE TCSD DEBT.
AND SO BY VIRTUE OF THE BONDS, THE INDENTURE OF TRUST WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WASTE THE ASSETS BY LETTING PROPERTY OUT.
HOWEVER, THE COUNTY IS STILL TRUE TO THAT COMMITMENT TO THE BOND HOLDERS.
SO LONG AS, EXCUSE ME, WE, WE NEVER LET OUT MORE THAN WHO CAME IN AND, AND IN FACT WE LIMIT THAT LOOK BACK PERIOD TO TWO YEARS AND YOU COULD HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS COME IN THREE YEARS AGO, THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP THIS PERSON GO OUT.
WE ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE ASSET THAT SUPPORTS THOSE BONDS IS AN INCREASING VALUE, NOT A DECREASE IN ONE.
SO THAT'S BEEN A PART OF THE REMOVAL CRITERIA SINCE THE INCEPTION AND IT'S, IT IS REQUIRED BY THE INDENTURE.
ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. LAW, UM, AND I, I MAY BE GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD OF US, BUT MOST APPLICATIONS TO LEAVE THE DISTRICT ARE THOSE THAT ARE NOT CONNECTED AND ARE NOT RECEIVING ANY BENEFIT FROM WATER AND SEWER.
IN FACT, THE, YOU NOTICE THAT THE, THE EL THE INELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENT THAT WE'RE, OR, OR HERE THAT WE'RE CHANGING IS NUMBER ROMAN NUMERAL THREE.
THERE ARE OTHERS, THEREFORE, OBVIOUSLY THAT IMPLIES THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE INELIGIBLE TO EXIT ARE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPROVED WITH A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND ARE RECEIVING PUBLIC WATER AND OR SEWER SERVICE.
SO IF YOU'RE ALREADY CONNECTED, YOU'RE NOT GETTING OUT ALSO PROPERTIES FOR WHICH IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, CIP, THERE IS A PLAN TO BRING WATER AND OR SEWER SERVICE NEAR ENOUGH TO THE PARCEL FOR THEM TO CONNECT.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, ANY PARCEL THAT'S ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL USE, SO ONLY RESIDENTIAL PARCELS ARE ALLOWED
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TO EXIT.THAT COMPRISES THE FOUR MAIN CRITERIA.
BUT AGAIN, THE, IT STATES RIGHT IN THE CODE THAT THE BOARD HAS THE ULTIMATE DISCRETION, THEY HAVE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT THEY CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY THEIR DECISION ON A GIVEN APPLICATION WHETHER THEY'RE ALLOWED TO EXIT IT OR NOT.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GOING TO COME UP A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT I THINK TYPICALLY IN THE YEARS WHEN PEOPLE APPLY THAT, THAT PARTICULAR, I THINK IT'S IN SEPTEMBER, THE SEPTEMBER MEETING IS WHEN YOU HEAR THE, THE CASES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPLIED TO LEAVE.
AND WE ONLY HAD ONE THAT THAT APPLIED DURING THE, DURING THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME.
IT, UH, THE ORDINANCE IS BROAD ENOUGH TO ALLOW IT TO BE JUST AFTER SEPTEMBER, BUT BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'LL BE SUFFICIENT TIME TO ADVERTISE IF WE HAVEN'T ALREADY ADVERTISED THAT'S TRUE.
SO, BUT, BUT IT'S EPTEMBER AFTER, I THINK IT HAS TO BE AFTER SEPTEMBER, WHICH I GUESS WE'LL MEAN OCTOBER THIS TIME.
BUT WE DO HAVE ONE APPLICANT WHO WISHES TO LEAVE.
UM, I WON'T GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD 'CAUSE YEAH, WE'RE NOT PRESENTING IT YET, BUT IT, THERE, THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME LEGITIMATE REASONS WHY WE MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER IT AND I'LL PRESENT THOSE WHEN I BRING IT TO YOU IN OCTOBER.
JUST, JUST KIND OF PUTTING A, A BOW ON IT, THEN A PARCEL WILL BE LEAVING THAT IT IS NOT RECEIVING BENEFITS.
HAS NOT RECEIVED BENEFITS EVER AND IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS HAS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RECEIVE BENEFITS BUT HAS BEEN PAYING THE TAX ABSOLUTELY.
SO THEY'VE GOT A PRETTY HEALTHY TRACK RECORD OF PAYING THE TAX, NOT GETTING THE BENEFITS AND NOT PROJECTED YET THE BENEFITS.
AND THIS WOULD ALLOW THOSE PEOPLE ON EVERY EVEN YEAR TO YES SIR.
BETWEEN JULY 1ST, JUNE 1ST AND JULY TO APPLY TO EXIT.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE? YES, SIR.
CAN I CLARIFY? JUST, UH, PLEASE DO, PLEASE.
AND, AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE TIMES PEOPLE GET CONFUSED ABOUT THIS AND THAT IS THE TCSD DID NOT GUARANTEE THAT ALL PROPERTY IN THE DISTRICT WOULD BE CONNECTED.
IT WAS FOR THE BUILDING OF MAINS THAT WOULD ALLOW CONNECTIONS.
AND SO EVERYBODY HAS HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT TO THOSE MAINS.
FOR SOME PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THE DISTANCE THEY MIGHT HAVE TO GO FOR THEM TO PAY TO CONNECT DOESN'T MAKE IT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.
BUT I, I DO WANNA CLARIFY THAT THE BENEFIT TO ALL PROPERTIES IN THE DISTRICT WAS THE BUILDING OF THE MAINS THAT ALLOW A CONNECTION FOR MANY, INCLUDING THIS ONE.
IT'S NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE, BUT WE DON'T SAY THAT THEY DIDN'T GET ANY BENEFIT, UM, BECAUSE THEY COULD CHOOSE TO RUN THE PIPE A MILE TO WHERE THE WATER IS AND, AND GET IT.
IT'S JUST FINANCIALLY THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO THEM.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A DISTRICT THAT PEOPLE PAY FOR.
THERE IS A BENEFIT THERE THEY COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.
THAT HAS BEEN TRUE SINCE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HASN'T, HASN'T HAD ANYTHING THAT MADE IT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO DO SO.
BUT IT, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE REQUIRED UNDER LAW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE OFFERING A BENEFIT WHEN WE'VE BEEN TAXING AND THAT BENEFIT HAS BEEN OFFERED, BUT IN SOME PROPERTIES IT HASN'T MADE SENSE FOR THEM TO TO CONNECT.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UM, SEEING NO MORE, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
I WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, I WILL NOW CLOSE THE FLOOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE THAT.
UH, LET, LET ME FIND IT ON MY SHEET HERE.
UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT, UH, THIS ORDINANCE AMENDING COUNTY CODE SECTION 14 DASH 2 51 TO REVISE THE PARCEL REMOVAL CRITERIA.
ANY DISCUSSION MR. YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK, MR. CHAIRMAN, WANNA MAKE A POINT? UM, MR. STEVENS, YOU'RE A PRETTY BUSY GUY.
UM, AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE STAFF SITTING AROUND WITH NOTHING TO DO, LOOKING FOR THINGS TO DO.
ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE I HELPED APPROVE THE BUDGET AND HELP BUILD IT.
SO THAT BEING SAID, IT COULD HAVE BEEN VERY EASY FOR STAFF TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS HOW THEY INTENDED IT TO GO AND JUST LET IT GO.
THE FOLKS THAT SIT IN THESE SEATS NOW AND THEN HAVE SAT IN THESE SEATS BEFORE DO THE VERY BEST THEY CAN, BUT SOMETIMES THERE ARE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T GET IT RIGHT.
I APPLAUD YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP AS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD FIX TO MAKE BETTER AND THAT IS WHAT GOOD GOVERNMENT IS AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
HOWER, ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION ITEMS OR DISCUSSION? OKAY, MR. CARPENTER, WOULD YOU TAKE THE ROLE? MR. MR. LYLE? AYE.
OKAY, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM THREE.
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UH, FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT[3. District 1 - CU-2024-00013 Application by James Myers requesting to renew conditional use permit (CUP) case CU-2003-00013 for a detached accessory family housing unit on 3.564 acres at 4964 Shannon Road on Tax Map No. 4-2-0-17-0. The property is zoned Agricultural, General (A-1). The CUP is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-102 in accordance with Sec. 15-285.A. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Rural Enhancement Area.]
2024 DASH 0 0 0 1 3.APPLICATION BY JAMES MYERS REQUESTING TO RENEW A CUP CASE CU 2003 DASH 0 0 0 1 3 FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT ON 3.564 ACRES AT 2 9 6 4 SHANNON ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL A ONE.
THE CUP IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 DASH 1 0 2 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15 DASH 2 85 A.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.
MS. JAMIE SHERRY WILL PRESENT.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. CARPENTER.
I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS A REQUEST IN DISTRICT ONE.
AS YOU STATED, IT'S REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY JUST OFF SHANNON HILL ROAD.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, THERE ARE SEVERAL BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY INCLUDING THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING, AND A NUMBER OF STORAGE BUILDINGS.
THE LEFT SCREEN SHOWS THE ZONING MAP.
UH, THE LEFT IMAGE IS, UM, SHOWS THAT THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL, A ONE AS ARE ALL THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND THE OTHER MAP SHOWS, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE DESIGNATION AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA AS ARE THE OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
SO THE DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BACK IN 2003 AFTER ITS FIVE-YEAR INITIAL, UM, EXPIRATION PERIOD.
THE CEP WAS RENEWED FOR 15 YEARS, SO THIS IS THE NEXT ROUND.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE THIRD, UH, RENEWAL.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUESTING ANY CHANGES TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING OR ITS USE.
SO THIS IS A ZOOMED IN AND MARKED UP VERSION OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS IN THE PACKET.
UH, THE STRUCTURE CIRCLED IN GREEN IS THE PRIMARY DWELLING AND THE RED CIRCLE SHOWS THE ACCESSORY DWELLING.
UH, BOTH STRUCTURES ARE ACCE ACCESSED BY THE SAME DRIVEWAY.
AND THE OTHER BUILDING SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN ARE THE STORAGE BUILDINGS THAT I REFERENCED FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE IMPOSED CONDITION.
THIS USE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD BACK IN APRIL WHERE SIX CITIZENS ATTENDED AND WE'RE ALL SUPPORTIVE OF THIS RENEWAL IN AT THE JUNE 20TH PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A FIVE ZERO VOTE AND NO ONE SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, MR. MYERS IS NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE ANYTHING WITH THE CEP, BUT, UH, THE CHANGES ON, UM, IN THE APPLICATION AS WELL, I MEAN IN THE PACKET AS WELL AS ON THE SCREEN ARE STANDARD CONDITIONS.
SO THEY DO DIFFER AND, AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN UPDATED THAT WAY.
CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH THREE ALLOW FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING.
IT LIMITS THE USE TO ONLY FAMILY AND PROHIBITS THE DWELLING FROM BEING RENTED.
FOUR AND FIVE ARE RELATED TO SAFETY, REQUIRING THE ACCESSORY DWELLING TO HAVE A WORKING CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTOR AND SMOKE DETECTOR AND TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING.
NUMBER SIX STATES THAT THERE WILL BE A 15 YEAR EXPIRATION DATE FOR THIS PERMIT, WHICH WOULD EXPIRE IN JULY, 2039.
AND THE LAST NUMBER SEVEN IS, UH, IF THE PROPERTY WERE TO CHANGE HANDS, THE COUNTY MUST BE NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT MUST TELL THE, THE NEW OWNER OR LEASE OF THE CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PERMIT.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND AS I MENTIONED, SO WOULD MR. MYERS.
SHERRY, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD? IF I CAN GET UP AND GET MY OLD DATE FOR YOU,
AND IT WAS MY MOTHER-IN-LAW WAS THERE.
SHE PASSED AWAY, BUT I'M 77 YEARS OLD AND I KNOW I DON'T WANNA GO TO A NURSING HOME OR ANYTHING.
I LIKE TO HAVE IT SO THAT WHEN I GET TO THE POINT WHERE ONE OF MY KIDS TAKE THE MAIN HOUSE, I CAN LIVE IN THAT HOUSE.
'CAUSE I JUST SOON DIE AND GO TO THE NURSING HOME.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR.
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WILL, UH, ANY OTHER, ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. SHERRY? OKAY, MR. MS. SHE, MS. SHERRY? YES SIR.MS I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS, BUT WHAT IF WE WERE TO DENY THIS FOR SOME OTHER CASE? I MEAN, THE STRUCTURE'S ALREADY BUILT, HE'S ALREADY INVESTED THE CAPITAL.
WHAT WOULD BE THAT PROCESS? SO, UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD THEN HAVE TO TURN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING BACK INTO A STORAGE SHED OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE ACTUALLY DEFINES DWELLING IS THAT, UM, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC THAT IT SAYS EITHER, UM, A STOVE OR A HOOKUP FOR A STOVE.
THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN DIFFERENCE.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. OKAY.
I WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
UH, THEY SHOULD ONLY BE ADDRESSED TO THE TOPIC OF THIS HEARING.
SEEING NONE, I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, ANY OTHER FOLLOW UP COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? DO I HAVE A MOTION? YES, I MOVE TO APPROVE BOARD GRANT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU 2024 DASH 0 0 1 3 SUBJECT TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
MR. CARPENTER, WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE? OH, SORRY.
ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, MR. CARPENTER, WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE? MR. CHRISTIE? AYE.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM FOUR.
[4. District 4 - CU-2024-00011 Application by Kevin and Deborah Roderick requesting a conditional use permit (CUP) for a detached accessory family housing unit on 4.636 acres at 494 Broad Street Road on Tax Map No. 46-43-0-2-0. The property is zoned Agricultural, Limited (A-2). The CUP is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-112 in accordance with Sec. 15-285.A. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Rural Enhancement Area.]
6 1 4 2, UH, FOR CONDITIONAL USE, UH, 2 0 2 4 DASH 0 0 0 1 1.APPLICATION BY KEVIN AND DEBORAH RODERICK REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY, FAMILY HOUSING UNIT ON 4.636 ACRES AT 4 9 4 BROAD STREET ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, A TWO.
THE CUP IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 DASH 112 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15 DASH 2 85 A.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.
UH, MS. JAMIE SHERRY WILL PRESENT.
OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS A REQUEST BY KEVIN AND DEBORAH RODERICK FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT.
THE PROPERTY IS IN DISTRICT FOUR.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST WEST OF CENTERVILLE VILLAGE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BROAD STREET ROAD ACROSS FROM SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH.
THE AERIAL SHOWS THE PROPERTY IS VACANT, UH, BUT THERE ARE TWO PROPO OF THE TWO PROPOSED BUILDINGS.
UH, ONE OF THEM IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A LITTLE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION WHAT THAT IS.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED, AS ARE ALL THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA, AS ARE ALL THE PROPERTIES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED IN RED, WAS CREATED IN 2018 THROUGH A SUBDIVISION OF THE, UH, DOTTED BLUE LINES WAS THE ORIGINAL PARCEL.
AND THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY FROM BROAD STREET ROAD IS THAT YELLOW LINE THAT GOES TO, UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWS THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION.
THE PICTURES PRESENTED, UM, REPRESENT WHAT THE BUILDINGS WILL LOOK LIKE.
THE DWELLING CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IS THE ONE ON THE TOP.
THIS, IF THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED, IT WILL BE THE ACCESSORY DWELLING AND THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BUILD THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT IF THIS APPLICATION IS NOT APPROVED, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING OR THE THE DWELLING ON TOP, IT DOES MEET ALL THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR A SINGLE HOUSE.
SO IT COULD BE THE PRIMARY DWELLING WITHOUT A SECONDARY DWELLING AS CONDITIONED.
UH, THIS USE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE WAS A MEETING IN APRIL WHERE COMMUNITY MEETING IN APRIL WHERE THREE CITIZENS ATTENDED.
UH, THEY HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOUSE THAT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS, UM, TELLING THAT THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE AT THE JUNE 20TH PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WITH A FIVE ZERO VOTE.
NO ONE SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS.
I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THEM VERY QUICKLY AGAIN.
UM, SO ONE THROUGH THREE ALLOW FOR THE ACCESSORY DWELLING, UH, LIMITS IT ONLY TO FAMILY AND PROHIBITS, UH, RENTING.
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AND FIVE ARE RELATED TO SAFETY.THEY INCLUDE, UM, REQUIRING CARBON, WORKING, CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTORS AND SMOKE DETECTORS AND TO, UM, PROVIDE EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING.
NUMBER SIX STATES THAT THERE IS A FIVE YEAR EXPIRATION DATE, WHICH WOULD BE JULY 31ST, 2029.
AND NUMBER SEVEN IS THE TRANSFER A LEASE, UM, THAT I HAD ALREADY MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN ATTENDANCE AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COURT? OKAY.
DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A LITTLE COLOR, UH, TO OUR APPLICATION.
MY NAME IS, UH, KEVIN RODERICK.
I CURRENTLY LIVE AT 6 6 8 3 FOXTON ROAD IN MANASSAS, VIRGINIA.
MY WIFE DEBORAH IS HERE, ALONG WITH MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, SUSAN RASMUSON IN 2021.
UM, MY WIFE AND I WERE LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT AND WERE LOOKING FOR A POLICE TO RETIRE.
WE CAME TO TO GLAND, DROVE AROUND, LOOKED AT SOME PROPERTIES, FELL IN LOVE WITH THE PARCEL IN QUESTION, AND WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WITH THE INTENT OF BUILDING OUR FOREVER HOME.
WE FELL IN LOVE WITH OCHIN COUNTY, OR WE STILL ARE
UNFORTUNATELY, MY FATHER-IN-LAW PASSED AWAY IN 2022.
AND, UM, SO YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE SORT OF THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE IN, IN, IN MOST, UH, CASES.
SO, UM, WHAT WE ARE, ARE LOOKING TO DO IS TO GET APPROVAL TO BUILD, UM, THE, THE A DU.
AND, AND THEN AS SOON AS WE GET APPROVAL, THEN WE'LL START CONSTRUCTION.
WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT WITH A, A CONTRACTOR TO BUILD OUR PRIMARY, UH, RESIDENCE.
UH, THEY HOPE TO START NEXT MONTH.
SO, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. RODERICK? THANK YOU.
I WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
THEY SHOULD ONLY BE ADDRESSED TO THE TOPIC OF THIS HEARING, SEEING NO CITIZENS.
I WILL CLOSE THE HEARING ANY FOLLOW, ANY FOLLOW UP COMES FROM THE BOARD.
UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? ALL DO, UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD GRANT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU DASH 2 0 24 DASH 0 0 0 1 1 SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION MR. SPINO? YEAH, MR. CHAIR.
UM, WHILE I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, AS I HAVE BEEN WITH ALL FAMILY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, I, I KIND OF WANT TO GET IT ON THE RECORD AGAIN.
UH, WE, WE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING A FEW YEARS AGO TO, UH, MAKE THIS PROCESS LESS ONEROUS WHILE STILL HAVING THE APPROPRIATE OVERSIGHT.
I THINK THE PATH WE WENT DOWN, UM, WITH COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THE, THAT SOLUTION THAT WAS PROPOSED AT THE TIME SOME OF IN OUR COMMUNITY DID NOT APPRECIATE THAT.
I, I HOPE AS WE LOOK AT OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UM, THAT, THAT WE FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE DON'T, WE MAKE IT LESS ONEROUS FOR FOLKS TO, UH, BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILIES AND TO BE ABLE TO STILL PROTECT THE, THE AREA AROUND THEM AND THEIR, THE NEIGHBORS.
BUT, UM, I'VE NEVER DECLINED ONE OF THESE AND I DON'T EVER SEEN MYSELF DOING IT AGAIN.
AND WHEREVER I COULD REMOVE GOVERNMENT OVER GOVERNMENT OVERREACH.
SO PUTTING YOU ALL ON NOTE, I'M GONNA TRY TO DO IT.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? OKAY, MR. CARPENTER, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE.
SO THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THAT'S TWO BEAUTIFUL PROJECT TO LOSE IT.
UM, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE, APPLICATION 6 0 2 2.
[5. District 3 - RZ-2024-00001 Application by Sidney & Sidney Developments, LLC requesting to rezone 55.414 acres from Agricultural, Limited (A-2) to Residential, Limited (R-1) with proffered conditions, to allow for a residential subdivision at the intersection of Greenbriar Branch Drive and Glebe Road on Tax Map Nos. 43-26-0-1-0, 43-26-0-2-0, 43-26-0-3-0, 43-26-0-4-0, 43-26-0-5-0, and 43-26-0-6-0. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Single Family Residential.]
DASH 0 0 0 0 6 OH, NO, SORRY, EXCUSE ME FOR THAT.AGENDA ITEM FIVE, UM, APPLICATION 6 0 2 2 RZ DASH 2 0 24 DASH 0 0 0 1.
APPLICATION BY SYDNEY AND CINDY DEVELOP SYDNEY DEVELOPMENTS LLC REQUESTING TO REZONE 55.414 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL LIMITED,
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A TWO TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS TO ALLOW FOR A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AT THE INTERSECTION OF GREENBRIER BRANCH DRIVE AND GLEE ROAD.THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
UH, MR. RAY CASH WILL PRESENT.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, THIS APPLICATION BEFORE YOU, UH, TONIGHT HAS, UH, BEEN BEFORE YOU PREVIOUSLY WE'RE, WAS DEFERRED A FEW TIMES.
WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, BRING IT FORWARD TONIGHT.
UM, THE APPLICATION IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT THREE.
THIS IS A REZONING, UH, ALONG THE SOUTH LINE OF GREENBRIER BRANCH DRIVE.
IT IS FOR A RESIDENTIAL R ONE ZONING.
UH, THE CONFERENCE PLAN DOES CALL FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OF LOTS AT LESS THAN TWO UNITS PER ACRE.
SO THIS IS, UH, LOCATED JUST HERE, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, OF THE CREEK FROM THE COURTHOUSE, UH, ALONG GREENBRIAR BRANCH.
AS WE MENTIONED, UH, IT IS THE PARCELS OUTLINED IN RED HERE ON THE SCREEN.
UH, THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS OWNED A TWO AND AS REFERENCED, UH, THE PROPERTY IS, UH, DESIGNATED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THERE IS, UH, JASON ACROSS THE, THE CREEK.
IT'S AN, IT IS ANOTHER AREA THAT'S, UH, RESIDENTIAL, NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL AND UH, THERE'S ALSO THE INSTITUTIONAL WHERE THE, THE, UH, THE REYNOLDS CAMPUS EXIST.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THAT WAS, WAS ADOPTED IN THE COMP, THE COURTHOUSE VILLAGE SMALL AREA PLAN BACK IN 2023 DID MAKE THIS SCENARIO THAT'S CALLED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS, HE HAS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ON LOT INDIVIDUAL LOTS AT A DENSITY OF LESS THAN TWO UNITS AN ACRE.
SO THE PROPOSAL WOULD PRO, UM, PROVIDE FOR DENSITY AND LOTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLAN.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT THERE WOULD BE FUTURE TRAILS WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY, AND THE APPLICANT WILL BE OFFERING EASEMENTS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
UH, ADJACENT, NEARBY PROPERTIES, AS WE MENTIONED, WE'RE SIMILAR TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST AND NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST, AND THAT'S WITHIN THE COURTHOUSE AREA PROPER.
AND THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL HOUSING AT DENSITY OF TWO TO FOUR UNITS AN ACRE.
SO WAY BACK IN JUNE OF, UH, 2023, THERE WAS A, A CITIZEN'S MEETING HELD HERE.
UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACTS THAT YOU'D EXPECT THROUGH A, UM, A TYPICAL RESETTING WE HAVE.
WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTY VALUES, THE IMPACT ON THE ROAD? HOW WOULD THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY, UM, AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS? WHAT TYPE OF HOMES WOULD BE PROVIDED? UM, TRUE INTEREST AND THE LACK OF PUBLIC WATER AND WASTEWATER FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING WELLS.
THERE WAS ALSO CONCERN ABOUT THERE'S AN ONSITE GRAVEYARD.
HOW WAS THAT GONNA BE PROTECTED? AND ALWAYS THE CONCERN HOW IT AFFECTS, UH, THE VALUE OF WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THE NEW HOMES POTENTIALLY.
UH, THERE WAS PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.
EIGHT CITIZENS SPOKE AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT AT THAT TIME.
UM, THE COMMENTS AT THAT TIME WERE THINGS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, PRESERVATION OF THE CEMETERY, UM, POTENTIAL IN TRAFFIC.
THERE IS CONCERN ALSO ABOUT POTENTIAL FLOODING WHEN YOU START CLEARING THE PROPERTY AND THE INTACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY ON NEARBY WELLS AND POTENTIALLY WATER RESOURCES FOR THE AREA.
UM, SO NOW WE LOOK FORWARD TO TODAY.
PRIOR TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING IN APRIL, WE DID RECEIVE A FEW EMAILS AND CALLS IN OPPOSITION TO THE CASE, PRIMARILY WITH CONCERN OF THE IMPACT ON WELLS IN THE AREA AND SEPTIC.
UM, STAFF RECEIVED ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR THIS MEETING RELATED TO THE IMPACT ON THE DEVELOPMENT ON TRAFFIC, THE WOODED AREAS, WILDLIFE, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND, AND THE CONCERN NOW THAT THE APPLICATION DOES NOT PROPOSE SEWER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO LET'S GO BACK AGAIN TO WHAT HAPPENED AT THE PLANET COMMISSION HEARING.
SO THE PLANET, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD.
UH, CITIZENS GOT UP AND SPOKE AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE CAME FORWARD AND OFFERED, UH, TWO CHANGES.
ONE WAS TO AMEND PROFFER EIGHT, WHICH RELATED TO THE PRESERVATION AND PROTECTION OF THE CEMETERY TO PROVIDE FOR AN ORNAMENTAL FENCE FOR THAT.
AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL PROFFER WAS ADDED SPECIFICALLY TO PROVIDE THAT THE LOTS WOULD BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER.
SO THE PLAN OF COMMISSION CAME FORWARD WITH APPROVAL BASED UPON THOSE 14 PROFFERS.
ONE WAS AN AMENDED, ONE WAS NEW AS WE STATED, AND BY VOTE FIVE TO ZERO.
SO SINCE THAT TIME AND SINCE THE DEFERRALS THAT WE HAVE, THE APPLICANT HAS AMENDED THE APPLICATION SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH THAT.
UM, THE PREVIOUS CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWED A LAYOUT OF 19 LOTS.
THE SPECIFIC PROFFER THAT CAME FORWARD DID PROVIDE FOR A MAXIMUM OF 20 LOTS.
UM, ORIGINALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT CAME FORWARD WAS DESIGNED THAT THE LOTS WOULD BE SERVED BY WELL AND SEPTIC.
AND AS WE MENTIONED, UH, BEFORE THE THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE ON THE APPLICATION, THEY DID PROFF FOR PUBLIC ORDER FOR LOTS.
SO WHAT'S BEFORE EACH NIGHT IS A PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL
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PLAN SHOWING ADDITIONAL NUMBER OF LOTS.UM, THE, SO THE REVISED THE LAYOUT TO SAY 23 LOTS INSTEAD OF 20.
UM, THESE LOTS DO CONFORM WITH THE, THE ZONING DISTRICT AND STILL WOULD, UM, COMPLY WITH THE DENSITY, UH, REQUIRED BY THE CONFERENCE AND PLAN.
PROFFERS 1, 5, 8, AND 11 WERE CHANGED ONLY TO ADDRESS THE CHANGE THEY HAD TO ACCOUNT FOR THE UPDATED PLAN DATE AND THEY ALSO HAD TO ACCOUNT FOR THE NUMBER OF LOTS.
IN ADDITION, UM, STAFF, UH, ONCE THIS WAS RECEIVED, UM, WE SHARED IT WITH THE COMMUNITY SO THEY COULD SEE THERE WAS A CHANGE BEFORE TONIGHT SAID THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS OCCURRING.
UM, A LITTLE OTHER BACKGROUND IN THIS CASE IS THERE'S OTHER, UM, ELEMENTS THAT COME FORWARD IN THE PROFFERS AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED TO PROVIDE A LEFT TURN LANE ON FAIRGROUND ROAD.
THIS IS IN KEEPING WITH, UH, THE BOARD REMEMBERS THERE WAS A, A STUDY DONE TO RECOMMEND IMPROVEMENTS ALONG FAIRGROUND.
THIS IS, THIS IS ONE THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED.
UH, THERE ARE ALSO BUILDING RELATED PROFFERS FOR THE PROPERTY TO INCLUDE ELEVATIONS.
A MINIMUM FLOOR AREA REQUIREMENT, UH, VARIATION DESIGN, UH, TO PREVENT IDENTICAL UNITS, UH, TO BE SIDE BY SIDE.
SO GIVE CHARACTER VARIETY TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
ROOF MATERIALS, VISIBLE FOUNDATIONS OF BRICK STONE OR STONE VENEER SORT OF ELEMENTS TO SORT OF INCREASE THE, THE QUALITY OF POTENTIAL PRODUCTS.
SO THESE ARE THE ELEPHANT, THE ELEPHANTS AS WELL, THE ELEVATIONS, UH, THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROPOSED, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND OF COURSE THE THOSE AND THE MATERIALS AND LIKE, THAT'LL BE A EVALUATED TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT BY COUNTY STAFF.
SO, QUICK SUMMARY AGAIN, OF THE PR PROFFERS, THE NEW PROPOSAL DOES SAY A MAXIMUM OF 23 LOTS.
THERE IS A NEW CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UH, THERE IS STILL THE CONDITION RELATED ABOUT PRESERVING THE, THE, UM, UH, CEMETERY ON SITE, THE LEFT TURN LANE ELEVATIONS, THE EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS ABOUT HOW THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD TAKE PACE.
SO THE, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPER A CONSTRUCTION HOUR LIMITATION.
UH, THERE IS THE OPEN SPACE AND TRAIL AMENITY, UM, WHICH WILL COME FORWARD WHEN IT'S DEVELOPED WITH AN EASEMENT TO THE COUNTY.
UM, SO WE CAN INCORPORATE WITHIN OUR TRAIL SYSTEM, SHOULD WE HAVE IT IN THE FUTURE.
LOTS WILL BE ON PUBLIC WATER AND THE APPLICANT IS PAYING THE FULL, UM, CASH PROFFER AND THAT'S IT STAFF'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE AS WELL.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD TO MR. CASH? OKAY.
WOULD THE APPLICANT OR ITS REPRESENTATIVE LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT? I'M SORRY, WE PULL UP YOUR PRESENT.
YOU WANT YOUR PRESENTATION UP OR? YEAH, LET'S PULL IT UP.
I THINK YOU COVERED MOST OF IT, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MIGHT HAVE, MAYBE I THAT'S IN THAT.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, SHRM HOMES AND BY EXTENSION SYDNEY AND SYDNEY DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, I WANNA FIRST START OFF BY THANKING THE STAFF, UH, AND THE BOARD FOR, FOR WORKING WITH US AS LONG AS WE HAVE AND WAYNE AND THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT FOR JUST WORKING THROUGH THE PLAN AS IT'S EVOLVED OVER THE LAST YEAR, UH, IN DEVELOPMENT.
SH RM HOMES IS A LOCAL HANOVER BASED HOME BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.
WE'VE BEEN BUILDING IN RICHMOND FOR OVER 20 YEARS NOW.
UH, WE ARE A BUILDER AND DEVELOPER.
WE SUPPLY LOTS TO OURSELVES AND BUILD SEMI-CUSTOM HOMES IN THE AREA.
UH, WE'VE DONE SEVERAL CUSTOM HOMES AND, AND, UH, PROJECTS IN AND AROUND GOOCHLAND AND ARE EXCITED TO COME IN WITH OUR OWN PROJECT HERE, UH, PARTICULARLY IN THE COURTHOUSE DISTRICT.
UM, I WON'T GET INTO TOO MUCH OF WHAT RAY ALREADY COVERED, UM, BUT THROUGH THE EVOLUTION OF THIS PLAN, WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, LATE INTO 2022, IT STARTED OUT AS A, A DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS ROUGHLY 49 LOTS.
UM, WHICH WAS AT THE TIME, I THINK STILL IN KEEPING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS THAT EVOLVED, AS WE HEARD FROM THE CITIZENS AND WE KIND OF EVALUATED THE PROPERTY MORE THOROUGHLY, WE DETERMINED THAT IT WAS A BETTER FIT AND, AND BETTER U USE OF THE SPACE AND REALLY BETTER CONFORMING PROJECT TO, TO SLIM IT DOWN, UH, TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHICH IS 23 LOTS SERVED BY, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WATER.
UM, IT IS NOT SERVED BY SEWER.
I I'LL TOUCH ON THAT ONLY BECAUSE SEWER IS NOT AVAILABLE TO US.
WE DO NOT CONTROL THE ACCESS TO SEWER.
UH, AND NOT JUST THAT, BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE NOT FEASIBLE TO COST PROHIBITIVE TO BRING THE SEWER THROUGH, UH, GIVEN ITS CONDITION, GIVEN THE FLOODPLAIN THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CROSS IN ORDER TO GET THE SEWER.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, A RENDERING OF THE PLAN.
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I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF IT.OUR OUR INTENT IS VERY MUCH TO KEEP THIS A, UH, A RURAL DEVELOPMENT IN CHARACTER.
THESE ARE, THESE LOTS ARE ACRE, ACRE PLUS, UH, AND WE INTEND TO ONLY CLEAR ON THE LOTS WHERE NEEDED FOR THE HOME SITES AND SEPTIC FIELDS.
UM, AS WE WERE REVIEWING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FIGURING OUT HOW THIS PARCEL REALLY FIT INTO THE GREATER GLAND COURTHOUSE DISTRICT, WE, WE MADE ACCOMMODATIONS TO, TO TRY TO FULFILL THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY ADDING THE WALKING TRAILS, BY PROVIDING EASEMENTS FOR FUTURE CONNECTIVITY, WHETHER IT BE TO REYNOLDS, UH, COLLEGE, IF THAT'S EVER DEVELOPED, AND JUST PROVIDE AN ATMOSPHERE WHERE THIS IS STILL VERY MUCH A RURAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT FEELS, UH, STILL WALKABLE.
THE RESIDENTS HAVE SOME AMENITIES AND, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO LEAVE, YOU KNOW, THE IMMEDIATE PREMISE AND, AND WALK AROUND, WALK THROUGH THE TRAILS.
UH, THOSE WILL BE AVAILABLE TO, YOU KNOW, ANYONE IN THE COURTHOUSE REALLY AS THESE ARE ALL PUBLIC ROADS.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, PREFERRING TO EXTEND IT INTO THE, UM, THE GREENWAY THAT IS PROPOSED AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE'LL ALLOCATE THOSE NECESSARY EASEMENTS AND THEN ALSO DESIGN OUR TRAIL ACCORDINGLY.
UM, YEAH, THIS IS THE, UH, RENDERING OF THE GREENWAY PLAN THAT COMES UP, THE FLOODWAY, WHICH WILL ATTACH TO THIS PROPERTY.
SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO ADD, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL WALKING TRAILS THAT LOOP INTO THE GREENWAY.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE INITIALLY UNCOVERED AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS FAIRGROUND ROAD TRAFFIC.
UM, AND, AND WHAT IS CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING.
AND WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN WORKING WITH, UH, YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT, VDOT, THAT SOLVES A LOT OF THAT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF GREENBRIER BRANCH RIGHT NOW.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA EXPERIENCE THE DIFFICULTY OF THIS INTERSECTION, WHETHER OR NOT WE COME IN.
WE FELT LIKE IT WAS, WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN THAT ALLEVIATED A LOT OF CONCERN BY PROVIDING THAT LEFT HAND TURN LANE.
UH, IT'LL ALSO TIE IN WELL TO WHAT'S HAPPENING UP THE STREET JUST NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY WITH ADDITIONAL FAIRGROUND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND THE SAME WITH WITH THE WATER.
UM, SO JUST GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT, WE DEFERRED A FEW TIMES TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT GLAND COUNTY NEEDED IN TERMS OF THE COURTHOUSE DISTRICT AND, AND WATER SERVICE.
AND, AND WE HAD TO STUDY THE EXISTING UTILITY SERVICE THAT WAS BEING PROVIDED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ADEQUATE.
I DIDN'T WANNA PR SOMETHING THAT WE COULDN'T BUILD AND I, I DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE PROBLEMS THAT WEREN'T THERE, BUT WE DID LEARN A LOT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE UTILITY AND FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE BENEFIT BY PROVIDING ADDITIONAL WATER THROUGH THE CURRENT SECTION OF GREENBRIER BRANCH.
BUT THEN ALSO THROUGH HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL HELPS TO, UM, BASICALLY BETTER, BETTER SERVE THE, THE COMMUNITY BUT ALSO PROVIDES BETTER WATER QUALITY THROUGH THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.
UM, AND IN WORKING WITH SOME ADJACENT DEVELOPERS HAVE COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT REALLY MAKES THAT THAT FEASIBLE.
I'M, I'LL BE HERE FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, I CAN ANSWER THOSE NOW OR WAIT FOR AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, MR.
I, I THINK I SAW ON THE, UH, UH, KEEP GOING.
IS THIS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE? STUB ROADS? I KNOW THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER FAIRGROUND ROAD, WHAT IS COMMONLY CALLED THE TRUIT DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS GOING INTO AN OPEN FIELD OR, UH, I MEAN, ARE YOU OKAY WITH STUB ROADS? YEAH, I, YES.
UM, IN THIS INSTANCE, I, I HAVE NOT DONE ENOUGH FEASIBILITY ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT WILL ACTUALLY BE UTILIZED.
UM, BUT I, I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL PRESERVE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT CAPABILITY FOR THE PARCELS TO THE NORTH OF US, WHETHER IT BE ONE LOT OR TWO OR THREE OR, OR MULTIPLE.
SO I, I'M, I'M FINE WITH WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE.
UM, I'LL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
THEY SHOULD ONLY BE ADDRESSED TO THE TOPIC OF THIS HEARING.
REAGAN DAVIDSON, 1895 GREENBRIER BRANCH DRIVE.
MOST OF Y'ALL HAVE TALKED TO ME SEVERAL TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS AND, UH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS OBVIOUSLY WATER.
AND I THINK THAT THROUGH THE PLANNING AND THE DEVELOPER, THAT THEY HAVE DEFINITELY ACCOMPLISHED A HUGE ASSET TO THE COUNTY WITH THAT.
UM, IT DOES OPEN UP ALL THE, THE ONLY NEGATIVE I REALLY STILL HAVE IS THAT ALL THE TRAFFIC WILL BE COMING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, HE IS GONNA HAVE WALKING TRAILS, BUT THAT DON'T DO
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NOTHING AT MY HOUSE.UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I DO ANTICIPATE HOOKING INTO THE WATER LINE UNDER WHEN THEY CONSTRUCT IT AND, YOU KNOW, WOULD REQUEST THAT MY FEES BE WAIVED BECAUSE I'M SURE I'M GONNA RUN INTO OTHER COSTS ALONG THE FRONT OF MY PROPERTY TO RE UM, MAKE IT SAFE FOR MY KIDS TO NOT ACCIDENTALLY GO OUT INTO THE ROAD.
THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS? UH, SCOTT MCINNIS 1874 GREENBRIAR BRANCH DRIVE.
UM, I'VE SENT MY EMAIL TO YOU EARLIER SO I WON'T GO THROUGH IT STEP BY STEP.
I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT A VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME, I DO THINK AND SHOULD, SHOULD HAVE SEWER ACCESS.
UM, I WOULD ALSO STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE TO ME THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY APPROVED BY THIS BOARD THAT HAVE NOT BEGUN YET.
I WOULD URGE YOU TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY PUMP THE BRAKES AND SEE, YOU KNOW, GET THOSE DEVELOPMENTS UNDERWAY OR FINISHED BEFORE YOU JUST KEEP APPROVING DEVELOPMENTS.
AS THE GENTLEMAN STATED EARLIER.
I MEAN, IT IS JUST ALMOST UNCHECKED.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE GOING INTO SYCAMORE CREEK GOLF COURSE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST WHEN WILL IT STOP? IS, IS REALLY MY QUESTION.
BUT HONESTLY TOO, WITH WITH WITH THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT NOW WITH WATER, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADD SEWER TO THAT AS WELL.
I AM THE BORDERING PROPERTY TO A LARGE PIECE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, SO OBVIOUSLY NOT ALL 23 HOMES, THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEMS WON'T BE UP NEXT TO MINE, BUT A LARGE CHUNK OF IT WILL.
AND I AM, YOU KNOW, HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT MY WELL AND MY AQUIFER AND MY WATER TABLE.
UM, THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY BIGGER POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO REITERATE FROM MY EMAIL.
MY NAME IS, UH, KENNY BAZO AT 9 23 NEWSOM COURT AND I AM ALSO THE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE, UH, VILLAGE HILL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ADJACENT TO THIS LARGE PROPERTY.
UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO EXPRESS CONCERNS JUST AS SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS OVER THOSE FLOODPLAINS BACK THERE.
UM, WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE THE LAST COUPLE YEARS NOT TO HAVE THE WATER COME UP TOO CLOSE TO OUR HOUSES, BUT IT DOES GET RIGHT ON THE BACK EDGE OF OUR PROPERTIES AND COME UP IN, UM, AS FAR AS MY SHED IN THE BACK.
UM, SO WE ARE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD ADD.
THE, THE LESSER NUMBER OF HOUSES DOES MAKE US FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT, BUT OBVIOUSLY DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, UM, WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA BE, UH, CROSSING OUR FINGERS AND MAKING SURE OUR FLOOD INSURANCE IS PAID.
UH, SINCE WE ARE A FEW PROPERTIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN A FLOOD ZONE IN GLAND COUNTY, UM, IT DEFINITELY DOES CONCERN US.
UH, ANOTHER THING I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ASKING, I'M SURE THE DEVELOPER MIGHT SPEAK AGAIN AFTER WE TALK.
HE MENTIONED WATER A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT NEVER WENT INTO DETAIL ABOUT HOW THE PATH WAS GONNA GET THERE.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S ONLY ONE ROUTE, MAYBE MY UNDERSTANDING IS WRONG, AND I THINK THAT ROUTE GOES THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, NO ONE HAS REACHED OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANYONE FROM OUR BOARD ABOUT WHAT THAT CONNECTION MIGHT LOOK LIKE OR CROSSING OVER OUR LAND OR ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF AREAS.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S COMING FROM A DIFFERENT ROUTE OR NOT.
IT KIND OF SEEMED LIKE THAT WAS SKIPPED OVER A LITTLE BIT IN THAT PRESENTATION.
SO I WOULD LOVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON THAT.
ANY OTHER SIZZLE? MY NAME'S WARREN BRITS.
I LIVE AT 25 25 BUCKNELL LANE.
IF YOU PULL UP THE MAT THERE SHOWS FOUR LOTS STACKING UP TO MY PROPERTY FRONT SIDE.
IF YOU WALK THE LAND, I'VE ALREADY PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONTOUR MAPS OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE ARE DITCHES AND GULLY SO DEEP YOU CAN'T CLIMB 'EM.
THE LAND WILL HAVE TO BE TOTALLY CLEARED.
IT WILL NOT REMAIN NATURAL AND RUSTIC LOOKING WHATSOEVER.
IN ORDER TO GET A ROAD IN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FILL A DITCH THAT YOU COULD PUT THIS BUILDING IN.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT STORM WATER.
UM, THEY SAID, OH, WE'LL PUT PIPES IN FOR THE STORM WATER.
WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
WHERE'S THE DRAINAGE GONNA GO? THESE LOCKS ARE NOT FLAT UNLESS THEY TOTALLY DEMOLISH 55 ACRES AND HAUL AND MOVE ALL KINDS OF DIRT IN.
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SO I THINK IT'S A BIT MUCH TO BE PUTTING 23 HOMES IN A VERY RURAL SETTING, AND I HOPE IT'S DONE RIGHT IF APPROVED.BUT I HOPE LIKE OTHERS HAVE SAID, THE COUNTY MIGHT TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AT A LATER TIME AFTER SOME OF THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS BECOME DEVELOPED.
OTHER PEOPLE DID SPEAK AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO ABOUT YOUR CONCERN ABOUT ROADS AND TRAFFIC ON FAIRGROUNDS.
YOU'VE ALSO GOT THE LANDFILL THERE.
YOU'VE GOT THE SPCA, SO IT'S GONNA BE A CROWDED, THERE'S A HILL, THERE'S A CURVE.
UM, WE'LL WAIT AND SEE, BUT I THINK IT'S A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
ANY MORE? CITIZENS? SO I'M SUSAN HECKLE.
I LIVE AT 25 25 BUCKNELL LANE AS WELL.
UM, MY INTEREST AND MY CONCERN ALL ALONG HAS BEEN WITH, UM, AN ENSLAVED CEMETERY THAT IS SHOWN ON THE MAP.
UM, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE.
I HAPPENED TO DO THE GENEALOGY BEHIND IT.
I KNOW, UM, IT'S THE GAVIN FAMILY CEMETERY.
I COULDN'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU WHERE IT BEGINS AND WHERE IT ENDS, BUT I BET THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 18 TO 20 BURIALS IN THERE.
SO I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THAT BE PROTECTED.
UM, I KNOW THAT LAW STATES THAT AN ORNATE CEMETERY FENCE GOES AROUND IT.
UM, I AM IN CONVERSATION WITH THE DESCENDANTS OF THE FAMILY.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S A CEMETERY THAT WOULD WANT TO BE VISITED, BUT I THINK IT'S A CEMETERY THAT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED.
IT HAS BEEN ON THE GIS MAP FOR A LONG TIME.
I JUST HAPPENED TO COME UP WITH A STORY BEHIND IT BECAUSE I HAVE A OLD HOUSE ON OUR PROPERTY THAT I THINK IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE BUILDERS TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, BECAUSE IT'S UNACCEPTABLE TO ME TO HAVE A LITTLE PLOW COME IN AND DIG AROUND.
IT'S SACRED GROUND AND I'D LIKE THAT TO BE PROTECTED.
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA GO ABOUT FINDING THE PERIMETER OF THE CEMETERY.
GOOD EVENING, TESS O'NEILL, 1844 GREENBRIAR BRANCH DRIVE.
AND I AM ACTUALLY THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF GREENBRIER ONE ASSOCIATION.
UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD REGARDING THE, UM, PROVISION OF COUNTY WATER, WILL THERE BE A PROVISION IN PLACE THAT SHOULD THE CURRENT GREENBRIAR ONE DEVELOPMENT NEED ADDITIONAL WATER, WILL WE BE ABLE TO TIE IN TO THE PIPES THAT WILL BE RUN FOR THE, THE CURRENT, UH, FOR THE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT? 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NEAR OR ADJACENT TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WHO ALREADY HAVE WELL PROBLEMS. THANK YOU.
SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING BROUGHT UP? I THINK THERE WERE THREE OR FOUR OPEN QUESTIONS.
WITH REGARD TO THE CEMETERY, UM, WE HAVE EVERY INTENT OF PRESERVING IT.
UM, AND, AND MAKING IT A PLACE THAT IS ABLE TO BE VISITED.
WE'VE PROVIDED OFFSITE TRAFFIC OR OFFSITE PARKING FOR THAT.
WE WILL HAVE TO SURVEY THE ACTUAL GROUNDS TO ENSURE THAT NOTHING IS DISTURBED.
AND, AND THAT WILL ALL FALL UNDER OUR, OUR PURVIEW.
UM, WITH REGARD TO THE, THE SEPTIC, UH, COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AND THE TOPOGRAPHY, THESE LOTS ARE, ARE LARGE ENOUGH THAT PROVIDE ADEQUATE AREA FOR US TO MOVE A SEPTIC AROUND AS NEEDED.
UH, CERTAINLY TO PROTECT THE, THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
AND, AND BECAUSE THAT WE ARE NOT DOING WELLS, UH, ON THE PROPERTY, THERE IS NO DISTANCE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE WATER OR ANY SPECIFIC PLACE, WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT THAT IN RELATION TO A WELL.
SO IT JUST, IT PROVIDES US FLEXIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT THESE, THE, THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE NOT, UH, COMPROMISING ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL PROPERTY.
THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WILL ENFORCE THAT, UH, AS WELL.
AND THEN TO ANSWER THE QUESTION REGARDING THE WATER LINE, WE INTEND TO BRING THE WATER LINE DOWN FROM FAIRGROUND ROAD.
UH, IT IS GONNA BE AN OVERSIZED LINE.
UH, AND IT'LL COME ALL THE WAY DOWN FAIR
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FROM FAIRGROUND DOWN GREENBRIAR BRANCH DRIVE TO GLEBE ROAD TO TIE INTO OUR SUBDIVISION.SO, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE, AND I WON'T SPEAK FOR UTILITY, BUT ANYONE ALONG THAT LINE, UH, OR ANY FUTURE CONNECTIVITY THAT WOULD WANT TO HAPPEN, WOULD BE AVAILABLE AT THAT POINT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? COMMENTS? UH, JUST ONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, AND THIS MAY BE FOR, UH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OR UTILITIES, BUT ARE THERE PROPERTY LINE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ON DRAIN FIELDS FOR SEPTIC? NO.
UH, NOTHING WITHIN, UH, OUR, OUR CODES IN REGARDS TO THE SETBACKS.
SO, SO A SEPARATE DRAIN FIELD COULD GO RIGHT UP TO A PROPERTY LINE.
THEY CAN'T CROSS THE PROPERTY LINE.
NOW THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS, LIKE ADJACENT TO WELLS OR OTHER TYPE THINGS, BUT THAT'S NOT WITHIN ZONING'S UH, PURVIEW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVE ZONING RZ 2 0 2 4 0 0 0 1 WITH PROFIT CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED? DO HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? YES, MR. CHAIR? MR. OW.
YEAH, I JUST WANT, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I HEARD THAT I, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT COULD ADDRESS, UM, THAT THE PUBLIC BROUGHT UP.
UM, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT, THERE WAS A CONCERN BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS MM-HMM.
WE, AS A REQUIREMENT, AND THIS MAY BE BETTER FOR MY ENGINEER, BUT AS A REQUIREMENT OF DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL RUNOFF THAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING.
BUT WE'RE WE'RE BOUND BY THE ARMY CORPS ENGINEERS IN DEQ ON CONTROLLING ANY RUNOFF FROM OUR SITE.
SO WE WILL HAVE SEDIMENT TRAPS AND, AND STORM BASINS PREVENTING ANY WATER FROM FLOWING OFF OF OUR SITE DURING CONSTRUCTION AND EVEN, AND EVEN AFTER CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UH, THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE ABOUT THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE ABILITY TO, UH, ED, I BELIEVE IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU SAID YOU'RE CLEARING JUST ENOUGH FOR THE HOMES IN THE DRAIN FIELDS.
UH, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT PLEASE? YEAH, I MEAN, WE HAVE NOT DONE, UH, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, TOPOGRAPHY SHOWN ON THE, THE, UH, RENDERING HERE.
UH, THESE ARE GONNA BE NOT FLAT LOTS.
UM, WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT WHEN WE STARTED STUDYING THE PROPERTY.
UM, THEY'LL HAVE FOUNDATIONS, SOME OF THEM WILL HAVE BASEMENTS, WE'LL BUILD INTO THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO I, I MEAN, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO ANY SPECIFIC LOT IN THE CLEARING REQUIREMENT, BUT OUR INTENT IS TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE NATURAL FOREST AS POSSIBLE FOR THESE HOMES.
UM, SO I MEAN, AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACRE LOTS.
UM, WE WILL ADHERE TO THE GRAVE THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IN WALKING THE PROPERTY, WE'VE, WE'VE BUILT ON SOME PRETTY, UM, TOPOGRAPHIC PIECES BEFORE AND I CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, A A COUPLE OF LOTS HERE THAT WE MAY NEED TO NAVIGATE, BUT NONE THAT ARE GONNA PREVENT, YOU KNOW, A A BUILDING SITE OR NEED TO, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY CLEAR THE SITE AT ALL.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO BE OUT THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, MR. LAW? UH, YES.
UH, IN, IN LOOKING AT THE MAP AND, AND JUST HEARING THE APPLICANT SAY THAT THE WATER IS GONNA COME UP AS FAR AS GLEE ROAD, BUT I'M LOOKING AT A BUNCH OF HOUSES A LITTLE FURTHER BEYOND GLEE ROAD.
SO WE HAVE PLANS AS, AS A UTILITIES DEPARTMENT TO, TO BRING THAT WATER LINE UP.
I GUESS I'M GONNA CALL IT FURTHER.
DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO YES, THE WATER LINE WILL BE A 12 INCH LINE COMING DOWN GLEE ROAD.
IT'LL TERMINATE AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION.
SO, SO THE HOUSE WITH A VALVE AND A BLOCK RESIDENCE FURTHER DOWN CLE ROAD WOULD HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THAT.
WE CAN'T REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO, I UNDERSTAND THAT CONSTRUCT WATER LINES THAT THEY DON'T NEED, BUT YET IT CAN BE EXTENDED BY ANOTHER, BY WATERLINE EXTENSION PROJECT.
WHETHER THE COUNTY DOES IT OR WHETHER A GROUP OF CITIZENS GET TOGETHER AND DO IT.
IF, IF, AND IF, UH, YOU HAVE NUMEROUS WELL FAILURES OUT THERE IS VERY OFTEN THE CASE THAT YOU FIND THE MONEY TO PUT IT IN YOUR CIP TO GO AHEAD AND DO AN EXTENSION FOR THOSE FOLKS.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT KIND OF BASIC, IS IT IN OUR CIPI GUESS THIS IS ALL NEW.
IT IS IN OUR MASTER PLAN TO HAVE A WATER LINE RUNNING THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF, OF GREENBRIAR TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ALL OF THOSE HOUSES.
AND THE, THE REASON THE WATER LINE'S GOING TO BE 12 INCH COMING DOWN GREEN WIRE AT GREENBRIERS.
SO IT WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SERVE EVERY OTHER HOUSE THAT'S ALREADY BACK THERE.
AND MR. GOVERNOR, PLEASE CORRECT ME.
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NEAR.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? FROM WHAT? YEAH, JUST, I'M SORRY, JUST A CLARIFICATION.
SO YOU WERE COMING DOWN FAIRGROUNDS ROAD TO GLEBE, YOU'RE PASSING SOME HOMES, CORRECT? YES.
SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS LIKE? WHAT DOES THE BOARD NEED TO DO? SOMETHING TO ALLOW THOSE FOLKS? OH, NO, IF THEY, IF THEY WANNA CONNECT, THEY JUST COME IN AND APPLY AND, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, INSTALL A CONNECTION TO THE WATER LINE, INSTALL A METER BOX, PAY THEIR CONNECTION FEE, AND THEN WE COME OUT AND PUT A METER IN.
THAT'S AS LONG AS WATER LINES RUNNING ACROSS IN FRONT OF THEIR, THEIR HOUSE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UH, MR. CARPENTER, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL.
UM, JUST BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX, LET'S TAKE A FOUR TO FIVE MINUTE BREAK FOR THE AUDIENCE AND THE BOARD.
UH, WE WILL RECONVENE AT THE MINUTE, HAND HITTING.
THE THREE ARE JUST THEREABOUTS, THE BIG THREE, BIG HAND, BIG
AT LEAST THEY'LL BE KNOWN FOR SOMETHING GOOD
HEY, MAN, IT'S THE LITTLE THINGS.
HE'S, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER SEEN ANYBODY SO NERVOUS WITH HIM EVEN.
YEAH, REALLY? HE WAS SHAKING BIG TIME
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A YEAR.I HOPE THAT WAS A WELCOME BREAK FOR A FEW MINUTES.
UM, WE WILL NOW RECONVENE AND, UM, MOVE
[6. District 5 - RZ-2024-00006 Application by Tuckahoe Lands, LLC requesting a proffer amendment to rezoning case RZ-2022-00004 for a left turn lane waiver on 14.298 acres at 12310 River Road on Tax Map Nos. 64-1-0-75-0 and 64-1-0-75-A. The property is zoned Residential, Limited (R-1) with proffered conditions. The left turn lane is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-353 (formerly 15-360). The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Single Family Residential, Medium Density.]
ON TO AGENDA ITEM SIX, APPLICATION 6 1 3 0, UM, RZ DASH 20 0 24 0 0 0 6.APPLICATION BY TUCKAHOE LANDS, LLC REQUESTING A PROFFER AMENDMENT TO REZONING CASE RZ DASH 2022 DASH FOUR FOR A LEFT HA, LEFT TURN LANE WAIVER ON 14.298 ACRES AT 12 3 1 RIVER ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS OWNED RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
THE LEFT TURN LANE IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 3 53 15 DASH 360.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY MR. RAY CASH WILL PRESENT.
GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS RAY CASH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS APPLICATION IS IN, UH, DISTRICT FIVE IS A REZONING WITH A PROFFER AMENDMENT SPECIFICALLY FOR A LEFT TURN LANE WAIVER.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS STILL IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM AT THE LAST, UH, ZONING, UH, COMPRISED OF TWO PARCELS OUTLINED IN RED.
UH, THIS AREA, UH, IS DESIGNATED, UM, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY.
UH, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES HAVE SIMILAR ZONING EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, SMALL A TWO PORTION THAT STILL REMAINS.
UH, THIS WAS THE EX CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD, UM, IN JULY OF LAST YEAR.
UH, THAT DOES COMPRISE, UM, YOU HAVE AN AREA OF BUFFERS.
UM, THERE IS A CONDITION RELATED TO TREE PRESERVATION BUFFERING ALONG THERE.
UM, THERE IS A RIGHT TURN LANE, UH, WAIVER, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, UH,
AND THE, UH, THERE WAS, THIS WAS THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT DOES HAVE OPEN SPACE.
THERE WERE OTHER PROFFERS RELATED TO THE, UH, DWELLINGS ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, SPECIFICALLY THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TO AMEND PROFFER 12 OF THAT ZONING CASE TO REQUEST A,
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A WAIVER TO THE LEFT TURN LANE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.THERE ARE NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE APPLICATIONS REQUESTED.
UM, THE ORIGINAL CASE WAS APPROVED FOR 14 LOT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DWELLING.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE WERE SEVERAL PROFFERS RELATED TO THAT APPROVAL.
UH, AS WAS MENTIONED IN THE ADVERTISEMENT, THE LEFT TURN LANE REQUIREMENT IS SPECIFICALLY IN THE CODE.
UM, THIS WAS CHANGED RECENTLY, ACTUALLY, BACK IN JULY, WHICH CHANGED THE NUMBER.
UM, THAT REQUIRES SECTION 53, 53 B TWO PROVIDES THAT WHEN THERE'S A SUBDIVISION OF 10 LOTS OR MORE THAT EXIT ONTO AN ARTERIAL COLLECTOR ROAD, A LEFT TURN LANE IS REQUIRED.
UM, IT ALSO PROVIDES THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REZONING REQUEST TO INCLUDE AN AMENDMENT, WHICH IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
UH, THE BOARD MAY WAIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TURN LANES.
THERE ARE REC, THERE IS RECOMMENDED CRITERIA THAT COMES FORWARD, UH, THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WHEN YOU GRANT A WAIVER SITE DISTANCE, ROAD ALIGNMENT, GRADE CHANGES, FREQUENCY OF REAR END QUEST CRASHES ALONG THE ROADWAY, SPECIFIC TRAFFIC VOLUME, SPEED LIMITS, AND THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS THAT THE RECEIVING ROADWAY.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING SPECIFICALLY RATED TO THIS PROFFER AMENDMENT BACK IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
UH, THE COMMENTS, UH, WERE REALLY RELATED TO THE SAFETY AND THE NEED OF A TURN LANE FOR THIS ROAD ALSO THAT THE TOUGH THE, THE CONSIDERATION OF THE LEFT TURN LANE WAS AMONG THE DETERMINING FACTORS THAT CAME FORWARD.
THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL BEFORE THIS BODY, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THERE WAS A MOTION TO DEFEAT, UH, THIS, UH, REQUEST.
I MEAN, UH, MEASURED TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST AND IT WAS DEFEATED BY A VOTE OF TWO TO THREE.
IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL TO HAVE THAT TETTER SEEMS LIKE A BACKWARD ACTION, BUT IT COMES FORWARD TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOGNITION AND DENIAL.
THREE CITIZENS DID SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST, NOTING THE CONCERNS WITH SAFETY.
UH, THERE IS ALSO, UM, EMAILS, COMMENTS RECEIVED AGAINST THE CASE CONCERNING SAFETY TRAFFIC AND THE LEFT TURN LANE PROVISION THAT WAS CONSIDERING THAT IT WAS A BASIS OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
SO STAFF WAS REQUESTED TO GO VISIT THE SITE.
UM, MOST RECENTLY, UH, THE 6 18 24 6 19, THERE WASN'T AN, UH, A VISIT DURING THE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC TIME WHERE YOU'RE TALKING 4:00 PM TO 6:00 PM UH, SOME TURN LANE MOVEMENTS WERE DUE, WERE DONE.
UH, THERE'S NOT, UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING ENTRANCE IS NOT LOCATED THERE.
SO REALLY A TURN LANE MOVEMENT WAS DONE ACTUALLY, WHERE THE, UH, GLAND DP, UH, USE SEWER, UH, CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN ONGOING INTO THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION INSTRUMENT ENTRANCE.
UH, THERE WAS, UH, THE CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE A DELAY, UH, WHILE TRYING TO MAKE THE LEFT TURN DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A DELAY OR, OR SIGNIFICANT Q VEHICLES BEHIND THE TURNING VEHICLE.
UM, JUST TO HAVE, UH, AN IDEA OF WHERE THE CHARACTER WHERE THIS WAS PERFORMED.
THIS IS THE, UH, DPU IMPROVEMENT FOR WHERE THE SEWER LINE GOES ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY.
AND THERE'S CURRENTLY A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE THERE THAT'S BEEN SERVING THIS PROJECT.
THE, UM, APPROXIMATE, THERE IS AN EXISTING DRIVE ON THE PROPERTY WHERE YOU SEE THE HOUSE HERE AND THAT'S GENERALLY LINED UP BY, WITH THIS OTHER PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THEN OVER HERE IS WHERE THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE NEW ENTRANCE WILL BE FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO THESE ARE PHOTOS WHEN YOU'RE, UH, LOOKING FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS, UH, OF COURSE THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS LABELED LOOKING EAST, UH, FROM, THAT'S FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS LOOKING, UH, WEST OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, JUST MOVED UP A LITTLE BIT, UH, LOOKING WEST FROM THE EXISTING ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY.
SO IT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET AND ALSO PROVIDED IN IN THE PUBLIC PACKET AND SHARED, UH, THE ANALYSIS THAT THAT TRANSPORTATION STAFF, UH, DID AT THE REQUEST TO SEE IN REGARDS TO THE TURN LANE PROVISION FOR THIS, UM, PART OF THE EVALUATION.
YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S THE CHAR, WHAT'S THE CHARACTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE? THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AND IT'S EXPECTED TO NOT HAVE HIGH VOLUME.
THERE'S NOT ANTICIPATE TO BE HIGH BUSES, TRUCKS OR TRAILERS.
UH, DOES HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN THAT SHOWS THERE'S ETIQUETTE, INTERNAL SITE DESIGN.
UM, THERE ARE THREE PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA.
IT'S ANTICIPATE THAT, UH, MISSED THEIR SCHOOL ACTIVITIES WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF PEAK HOURS.
UM, THERE IS NO SPEED DATA AVAILABLE FOR RIVER ROAD, BUT WHEN YOU OBSERVE SPEED TYPICALLY SEEM TO BE WITHIN PLUS OR MILES.
SO THE 45 HOUR SPEED ZONE, WHICH WOULD BE TYPICAL FOR SUCH A ROAD, UM, RIVER ROAD ITSELF, UH, THROUGHOUT ITS LENGTH IS FREQUENTED BY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE THIS TYPE OF ROADWAYS, YOU ANTICIPATE THERE WILL BE LEFT TURNS OR OTHER TURNING MOVEMENTS FOR THE CORRIDOR BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TURNING INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, ABSENT OBSERVATION AND MEASUREMENTS BY OUR VARIETY OF RESOURCES
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DID SHOW THE SITE DISTANCE AND THE ROADWAY GEOMETRY.UM, AND, AND APPEARS THEY DO NOT AFFECT THE ABILITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE A SAFE ENTRANCE.
UH, RIVER ROAD IS CLASSIFIED BY BOTH THE COUNTY AND VDI AS A COLLECTOR.
IT'S A COLLECTOR ROAD THAT'S DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO SERVE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND SO TURNING MOVEMENTS ARE PER OF THE EXPECTATION.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, SOLELY AN AMENDMENT TO A PROFFERED TO REQUEST A TURN LEFT, LEFT HAND TURN LANE WAFER AND STAFF AS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MR. LOVE? SURE.
I I THINK IT STARTED OFF ORIGINALLY, UH, WITH, UM, 17 HOUSES, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED FIVE ZERO TO DENY THAT.
SO IT CAME UP TO THE BOARD AND UH, I GUESS THE BEST PHRASE I CAN USE IS THEY CHEWED ON IT A BIT AND THEN THEY SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THEN IT WAS REVISED FOR 14 HOUSES.
AND ALL OF THIS IS WITH THE TURNING LANE REQUIREMENT? YES, SIR.
AND SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THEN RECOMMENDED FOR ONE TO DIE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
SO IT CAME BACK UP TO THE BOARD AND, UH, THE BOARD THEN LOOKED AT IT AGAIN, STILL WITH THE LEFT HAND TURNING LANE, AND THEN THEY APPROVED IT AFTER DISCUSSION AS TO NEVER A PROFFER TO REMOVE OR REQUEST TO REMOVE THE TURN LANE.
AND SO IT WAS APPROVED FOR ONE BY THE BOARD WITH THE TURN LANE? YES, SIR.
SO WE'VE HAD THE TURN LANE PART OF THIS PROCESS THE ENTIRE TIME, UH, CORRECT.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION REGARDING THE WAIVER, BUT THAT WAS WITHDRAWN BEFORE THE BOARD FINAL ACTION.
AND SO WHAT BRINGS US TODAY, AND PERHAPS THE APPLICANT WILL SHARE THIS IS A DISCOVERY THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THE TURN LANE PUT IN, BUT THEIR PLAN WAS TO PROCEED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH THE TURN LANE UNTIL THEY DISCOVERED THAT IT WAS DIFFICULT OR I'LL EVEN USE THE WORD IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT THE TURN LANE IN.
IS THAT WHERE WE ARE? UH, THAT I, I GUESS YOU'RE, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, THE APPLICANT'S OPINION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE MY MEMORY IS KIND OF OKAY.
SO WE'VE HAD TURN LANE, TURN LANE, TURN LANE, TURN LANE.
AND AS FAR AS CASE ACTION? YES SIR.
SO I GUESS THIS WILL BE AN EDITORIAL COMMENT, BUT I'VE HAD A FRIEND OF MINE SAY UNTIL WE SAY NO, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE PEOPLE COME AND MAKE APPLICATIONS AND THEN ASK TO CHANGE THE APPLICATION ONCE IT'S BEEN APPROVED.
SO I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS AND I'M CERTAINLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT TURN LANE, TURN LANE, TURN LANE, TURN LANE, PLEASE REMOVE THE TURN LANE.
I WOULD JUST SO WE HAVE SOME MM-HMM.
I, I WOULD SAY THAT CHANGE THE REQUEST FOR THE WAIVER SINCE THE APPLICATION WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS COME WITH CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION WITH PLANNING, CORRECT? UH, YES.
IT HAS NOT BEEN MADE AT A WHIM, SO TO SPEAK.
WELL, UM, RIGHT, I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE APPLICANT, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT SO THEY CAN ADDRESS WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WAS IN OBTAINING THE LEFT TURN WAIVER, UM, OR SEEKING OR WHY THEY NEEDED IT, UM, THEIR DIFFICULTY.
UM, BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF AS FAR AS WHAT YOU KNOW AND THE ANALYSIS OF VDOT AS WELL AS, UH, TIA, WHETHER OR NOT IT COULD BE, UH, FEASIBLE TO REMOVE THE INTERNALLY AND STILL PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
THANK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OF MR. CASH? MR. WINFORD.
AND, AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, SPEED DOT DOES NOT REQUIRE A TURN LANE, CORRECT? UM, IT DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD FOR WARRANTS FOR A LEFT TURN LANE FOR THIS PRO PROJECT.
BUT MR. CASH, IT DOES MEET THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENT, CORRECT? UM, THE CURRENT COUNTY ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE THAT DEVELOPMENT OF 10 LOTS OR MORE TO HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE.
WOULD THE APPLICANT OR ITS REPRESENTATIVE WISH TO ADDRESS THE BOARD? MR. CONLAND? I GONNA PRESENT IT ALL.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, MR. CARPENTER AND MS. MCGEE? MY NAME IS ANDY COLLIN ON BEHALF ON FROM RALPH JACKSON ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
HAVE A COUPLE OF REPRESENTATIVES HERE.
UH, TO PUT, UH, A FINER POINT ON THE CONTEXT.
I'M GONNA DISAGREE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT, MR. LYLE, FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
UM, I'M GONNA TAKE A STEP BACK BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD BOTH AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS THAT WERE BREAKING OUR
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PROMISE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED TO PUT IN A LEFT TURN LANE.UH, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT POINT FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT WHILE WE DID ASK FOR A WAIVER, WE WITHDREW THAT BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, WE HEARD FROM MORE THAN ONE BOARD MEMBER THAT SAYS, HAVE YOU DONE THE NECESSARY SURVEY? HAVE YOU DONE THE WORK TO BE ABLE TO ASSURE US THAT YOU CANNOT FIT THE LEFT TURN LANE IN? WE WERE TRYING TO BE HONEST AS WE ALWAYS ARE AND UPFRONT AND SAID, NO, WE HAVEN'T DONE THE ENGINEERING AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THE SURVEY.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT, AND IF RAY, WHILE I'M TALKING, DO YOU MIND PULLING UP MY POWERPOINT? IS THAT ALL RIGHT? UM, I, I GOT, I GOT GOING PRETTY EASY.
THEY STARTED MAKING FUN OF ME, SO I FORGOT TO PUT UP, WELL, THAT'S WHAT, SEE HOW FAR YOU WOULD GO.
UH, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHEN YOU DO THE ENGINEERING FROM A ZONING CASE, YOU DON'T DO A FULL ENGINEERING OF THE PROPERTIES CONSISTENT WITH A SITE PLAN.
UH, IN THIS CASE, WE HAD TO NOT ONLY DO THE SURVEY WORK FOR THE LOCATION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY TO SEE IF THERE WAS ENOUGH WIDTH IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WE DIDN'T KNOW OFFSITE, WHETHER THERE WAS ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH ON RIVER ROAD, BUT WE ALSO HAD TO LOOK, DO THE ENGINEERING OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT TO BE ABLE TO LOCATE WHERE THE ENTRANCE WAS TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHERE THE LEFT TURN LANE WAS.
AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE, UH, A NUMBER OF, UH, EASEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
SO, UH, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE ZONING CASE, WE KNEW AT THAT TIME PER THE ORDINANCE, WE HAD TWO CHOICES.
EITHER PUT IN THE LEFT TURN LANE OR ASK FOR A WAIVER BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY PROVIDES FOR THE ALLOWANCE OF A WAIVER.
AND WE ORIGINALLY HAD STARTED FOR THAT, BUT WE COULDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, ARE YOU SURE IT DOESN'T FIT? WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD, WE'RE NOT SURPRISED BY THE RESULTS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HADN'T DONE THE SURVEY WORK AND WE COULDN'T STAND UP HERE AND SAY IT WON'T FIT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WITHDREW IT AND TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND NOW WE'RE BEING HELD TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD.
IF WE NEVER CAME FORWARD WITH A ZONING CASE AND WE'RE BUILDING IT BY RIGHT FOR 12 LOTS, I'D BE HERE AGAIN TONIGHT BECAUSE WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO ASK FOR THOSE 12 LOTS FOR A WAIVER.
THE ZONING CASE HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO, AND THE CONSIDERATION FOR THE ZONING CASE I WOULD PROFFER TO YOU WAS BASED ON THE ADDITIONAL GUARANTEES THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THAT CASE TO PROVIDE FOR, UM, THE QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE COUNTY, INCLUDING A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BUFFERS ON RIVER ROAD AND PROVIDING FOR THAT SETBACK.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS A CONSIDERATION AND EVERYONE KNEW AT THAT TIME THAT WE WERE EITHER GONNA HAVE TO PUT IT IN AFTER OUR ENGINEERING.
WE DID OUR ENGINEERING IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT AND TOOK IT TO ABOUT DECEMBER.
AND THEN THERE WAS CONSIDERATION FOR AMENDING THE CODE FOR WHAT, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN AMENDED TO NINE, OR I'LL SAY TO 10 OR MORE LOTS.
AND WE THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS GONNA GO TO 20 LOTS SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK FOR THE WAIVER.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE STAFF SINCE THAT TIME TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO AND WHETHER WE COULD FIT IT IN THERE.
AND IT TURNS OUT THERE'S NOT ONLY A DITCH TO SERVE STORM WATER THAT'S OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THERE'S ALSO, UH, UH, A GAS TRUNK LINE AND DOMINION POWER EASEMENT, ALL OF WHICH, WHICH I'LL EXPLAIN IN A SECOND.
I'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE, AND TO THE FINER POINT WHILE WE HAVE TO AMEND THE PROFFER TO ASK FOR THIS WAIVER.
THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOING IS ADDING A PROFFER TO PUT IN THE, THE WAIVER.
WE'RE ACTUALLY AMENDING NOTHING ELSE.
WE'RE STILL PROVIDING FOR ALL THE QUALITY STANDARDS, NONE OF THE OTHER PROFFERS CHANGE.
WE LITERALLY ARE JUST ADDING THIS LANGUAGE THAT THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THIS PROFFER AMENDMENT, THE LEFT TURN WAVE WAIVER IS BEING, UH, APPROVED.
SO THIS IS THE LEFT TURN LANE CROSS SECTION IN THE WORK THAT WE DID.
I'VE GOT HARD COPIES IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE 'EM.
YOU CAN'T READ ON THE SCREEN, BUT I'M ALSO GONNA ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE I THINK IT'LL BE MORE IMPORTANT PARTS, UH, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M POINTING OUT A COUPLE OF ENTRANCE, UH, COUPLE OF ITEMS. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRANCE TO THE RIGHT HERE IN THIS KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CALL IT, THIS PINKISH COLOR, UM, THAT, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S WHERE THE ASPHALT WOULD BE.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY ALL WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WE DID THE SURVEY WORK AND IF IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF PUTTING ASPHALT IN, WE CAN MAKE IT WORK AND WE CAN MAKE IT FIT.
THE PROBLEM BECOMES, AS I SAID, THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S NEEDED TO MOVE THE DITCH AND THE TWO EASEMENTS OUTSIDE OF AND BEYOND IN ORDER TO FIT THAT LEFT TURN LANE.
AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ALL THAT WAS.
WE COULDN'T GUARANTEE WHAT IT WAS AT THE TIME OF THE ZONING AND ONLY WHEN WE DID THE ENGINEERING FOR THE ENTIRE SITE AND THE SURVEY WORK OFFSITE WHERE WE'D BE ABLE TO FIND THAT.
SO THAT CREATED THE NEED TO PUSH THE, UH, ONTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
AND I THINK YOU'VE TALKED, MR. LYLE, YOU'VE TALKED TO THE ADJACENT OWNER.
WE'VE CERTAINLY PROVIDED, UH, INFORMATION FROM THE ADJACENT OWNER THAT SAYS THEY'RE UNWILLING TO, UH, SELL THAT PROPERTY.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO, UH, EMINENT DOMAIN TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY ULTIMATELY WHY THIS IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION AT THE TIME OF THE ZONING, WHICH WE DO NOW, AS MR. CASH HAS POINTED OUT, THE CODE DOES PERMIT A WAIVER.
IT'S APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE FACTORS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERING A WAIVER.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE THINGS THAT, UM, MR. CASSIUS COVERED, BUT I THOUGHT I'D GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE FROM A STANDPOINT OF THE SITE DISTANCE AS THE FIRST, AS THE FIRST FACTOR THAT YOU LOOK INTO, AS WELL AS THE ROAD ALIGNMENT AND GRADE CHANGES PER THE STAFF.
UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE'S ALMOST A HALF A MILE OF SITE DISTANCE WEST AND A QUARTER MILE HEADING EAST.
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SAYS, PURSUANT TO THE SITE, UH, THE STAFF REPORT THAT ROADWAY GEOMETRY DO NOT IMPACT THIS DEVELOPMENT'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENTRANCE AND RIVER ROAD AS A COLLECTOR ROAD PROVIDES ACCESS TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND TURNING MOVEMENTS ARE TO BE EXPECTED.UM, HERE'S THE SAME, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF IT'S NOT SHOWING UP FOR SOME REASON, BUT STILL THE SAME LOCATION AS YOU CAN SEE.
AND APPARENTLY THIS SLIDE FOR SOME REASON'S NOT SHOWING THE SAME PICTURES THAT THEY HAD.
UH, WE CAN ALWAYS PULL THOSE UP, BUT I JUST STOLE THOSE QUITE FRANKLY FROM STAFF, UH, BECAUSE THEY TURNED OUT, TURNED OUT SO WELL.
UM, THE STANDARDS FOR THE WAIVER ALSO INCLUDE A FREQUENCY OF REAR END CRASHES ALONG THE ROADWAY.
ONE IS RIGHT OUT OF THE STAFF REPORT, THEY TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT IS IN ESSENCE, 1.7 MILE, UH, LENGTH OF CORRIDOR AND RIVER ROAD BETWEEN BLAIR ROAD AND THE COUNTY WROTE COUNTY, UH, UH, BOUNDARY LINE TO THE EAST.
AND THEY FOUND IN THE COURSE OF EIGHT YEARS, 19 ACCIDENTS, THREE OF WHICH WHEN YOU GO INTO 'EM, WERE REAR END CRASHES OVER THOSE EIGHT YEARS.
SO 19 ACCIDENTS OVER 1.7 MILES.
UM, AND THEY SAY THAT THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL.
THE TREND FOR THE CORRIDOR DOES NOT LEND ITSELF TO BEING A SAFETY HAZARD.
BUT WE TOOK A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK IN THAT AND WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE ENTRANCEWAYS TO THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISIONS FROM A STANDPOINT OF, UH, LOOKING BETWEEN RIVERGATE AND RANDOLPH SQUARE.
SO RIGHT AROUND OUR RIGHT, RIGHT AROUND OUR, OUR PROPOSED ENTRANCE.
AND WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE, OVER THE COURSE OF EIGHT YEARS, THERE WERE FIVE ACCIDENTS, WHICH INCLUDED ONE REAR END OVER EIGHT YEARS FROM, FROM 2016 TO 2024.
SO IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, FIVE ACCIDENTS, AND THEN OVER 1.7 MILES 19 ACCIDENTS, WHICH INCLUDES THOSE FIVE ACCIDENTS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
SO I THINK WE CERTAINLY, UM, MEET THAT STANDARD FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WASN'T QUITE SURE HOW TO DEAL WITH TRAFFIC VOLUME.
I PULLED THESE NUMBERS OUT OF THE STAFF REPORT, UH, AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE PROVIDED.
NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS RAISED AS A CONCERN AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED IN 2022.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT SINCE THAT TIME FROM THE REZONING STANDPOINT, AS MR. LYLE POINTED OUT, WE STARTED WITH 17 LOTS.
THEY ACTUALLY, UM, DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY BASED ON THE 17 LOTS.
WE NEVER UPDATED IT 'CAUSE WE DROPPED IT TO 14, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD HAVE A LESS OF AN IMPACT.
BUT WE DID PROVIDE TO THE COUNTY A RECENT UPDATE OF THAT TO RE RE, UH, REDO THE NUMBERS BASED ON 14 LOTS.
UH, PART OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY DID TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, ASSUME 2% GROWTH OVER THE COURSE OF EACH YEAR, AN ANNUAL GROWTH RATE.
SO OBVIOUSLY THREE YEARS EQUALS A 6% TOTAL, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY CAME UP WITH THE NUMBERS.
INTERESTINGLY, WE ALSO ASKED OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE VDOT NUMBERS.
UH, THE STAFF REPORT REFERENCES A 2022 NUMBER, UH, SPECIFICALLY WITH RE OR EXCUSE ME, A 2021 NUMBER OF ANNUAL AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS.
SO THAT'S A 4,100 ANNUAL OVER 20 21 4100 TRIPS OVER THE COURSE OF, UH, EACH DAY, OVER THE ENTIRE DAY, UH, IN THE, IN THE TIMEFRAME FROM 2015 TO 2020, IT, IT WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 4,040 300.
SO THAT'S BEEN REMAINED CONSISTENT.
THE ONLY YEAR FROM GOING BACK TO 2000, UH, FIVE, THAT WAS, EXCUSE ME, 2007 TO 2005 WAS, UH, 4,600 IS ACTUALLY HIGHER IN 2005 AND 2007 THAN IT IS.
IT WENT FROM 4,600 DOWN TO 2100 TO 2300, UH, THROUGH 2021.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY RECENT INFORMATION FROM VDOT AFTER 2021.
BUT OVER THE COURSE OF, UH, THOSE 10 YEARS TO 15 YEARS, IT ACTUALLY WENT DOWN ON AN ANNUAL AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS, THE, THE NUMBER OF, UM, TRIPS, AND OBVIOUSLY VDOT AND THE COUNTY HAVE LOOKED AT THE RIVER ROAD.
THE CURRENT TRAFFIC CAN BE ACCOMMODATED, NOT JUST FROM OURS, BUT THE OVERALL TRAFFIC CAN BE ACCOMMODATED BY RIVER ROAD AND THE CURRENT IMPROVEMENTS.
I ALSO POINT OUT THERE'S LIMITED DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY ON RIVER ROAD FROM A STANDPOINT OF ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN JUST SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SCHOOLS, AND WE HEARD THAT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I KNOW WHEN STAFF WENT OUT THERE IN JUNE, OBVIOUSLY SCHOOLS WEREN'T IN SESSION.
OBVIOUSLY SUMMER IS A BIG PART OF THE YEAR AS WELL.
BUT WHEN THE SCHOOL SESSION COMES IN, UH, COMES IN A LOT OF THOSE STUDENTS, AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN OUR STAFF TRAFFIC REPORT THAT WAS DONE, UH, WHILE SCHOOLS WERE IN SESSION, IS THAT A LOT OF THOSE USE BLAIR ROAD AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S A MUCH HEAVIER TRAFFIC, UH, TURNING MOVEMENTS BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT AND COMING IN AND OUTTA BLAIR ROAD.
WE CHECKED WITH COLLEGIATE, WE CHECKED WITH OTHER SCHOOLS, THEY'RE REQUIRING THEIR BUSES.
WE CAN'T REQUIRE PARENTS, WE CAN'T REQUIRE STUDENTS TO NOT THAT ARE DRIVING INDIVIDUALLY, BUT BUSES ARE NOT OUT TO BE ON RIVER ROAD.
AND CERTAINLY FROM A COLLEGIATE STANDPOINT AND FOR OTHER BUSES, UM, FROM THE OTHER SCHOOLS THAT ARE USING BLAIR ROAD TO GO OUT TO PATTERSON AVENUE AND AVOIDING RIVER ROAD.
SO WE FEEL LIKE FROM THAT STANDPOINT, OUR, OUR TRAFFIC STUDY ADDRESSED ALL OF THAT.
IT WAS AFTER COVID HAD ENDED FROM A STANDPOINT OF THE SCHOOLS WERE ALL IN SESSION.
UM, I GUESS COVID STILL HASN'T ENDED, BUT COVID HAD, UH, PEOPLE WERE GETTING BACK TO WORK AND CERTAINLY THE SCHOOLS WERE IN SESSION AT THAT POINT AT THE TIME OF THE STUDY AS IT WAS DONE.
THE SPEED LIMIT IS ANOTHER FACTOR.
UH, RIVER ROAD IS A MAJOR COLLECTOR, HAS A 45 MILE AN HOUR, UH, SPEED LIMIT.
MR. CASH ADDRESSED THAT PER THE STAFF REPORT, UM, THAT IS CONSISTENT AND THAT THEY FOUND THE SPEEDS WERE, UH, CONSISTENT OTHERWISE.
BUT THERE'S NO VDOT INFORMATION TO, UH, UH, ADDRESS FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
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FOR THE RECEIVING ROADWAY, UH, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE BUILT PER COUNTY AND VDOT STANDARDS.WE'RE HAVING PUBLIC ROADS, SO TURNING INTO OUR SITE AND PER THE CONCEPT PLAN, PER THE ENGINEERED PLANS AND THE SITE PLAN THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE FOR IN THE SUBDIVISION PLAN, UM, AND AS I WILL SHOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF, UM, UH, NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE TURNING IN.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE CAN GO OVER ALL THE FACTORS, WE CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE, BUT THE RULE QUESTION BECOMES, IS IT SAFE? AND THAT'S REALLY, I GUESS, WHAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS.
CERTAINLY YOUR STAFF, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU RELY ON, UM, THAT I THINK DO A VERY GOOD JOB, UH, HAVE LOOKED AT THIS.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED FROM THE STAFF REPORT THAT BASED ON THEIR ANALYSIS, THE ENTRANCE, THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE SAFETY AND OPERATIONS ON RIVER ROAD WILL NOT BE COMPROMISED IF A LEFT TURN LANE IS, UH, WAIVER IS APPROVED.
THAT BECOMES THE REAL QUESTION.
BUT WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.
AS I POINTED OUT, WE'VE GOT FIVE ACCIDENTS IN EIGHT YEARS, UM, IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY, 19 IN EIGHT YEARS OVER A 1.7 MILE, UH, RADIUS OR A CORRIDOR.
ALSO, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE THREE MOST CLOSELY SITUATED SUBDIVISION.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY GREATER EVIDENCE OF IS THIS SAFE OTHER THAN LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT THE THREE CLOSEST SUBDIVISIONS TO US DON'T HAVE TURN LANES.
WE'VE GOT 110 HOMES, 67 HOME, AND A 23 HOME SUBDIVISION THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 2004 WITH NO LEFT TURN LANES.
AND THERE'S BEEN FIVE ACCIDENTS OVER EIGHT YEARS IN THE ENTIRETY.
AND THAT INCLUDES ONE REAR END, UH, ACCIDENT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
SO, UM, THESE ARE, YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS STANDPOINT TO, UH, PROVIDE YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE WE ARE, BUT YOU CAN SEE RIVERGATE TO THE LEFT LOCKHART GREEN AS PROPOSED WITH GLEN TO THE RIGHT AND THEN RANDOLPH SQUARE TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT, UH, WHERE THOSE ARE.
AND THEN OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TOOK A LOOK AT, AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STANDPOINT THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE AM THE LEFT TURN MOVEMENT IS 22 AT BLAIR ROAD, WE'RE TALKING AT LOCKHART GREEN IS TWO FOR OURS.
AND WICKHAM GLEN IS ALSO TWO BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 2004, UH, BEING A SAFE TRAFFIC MOVEMENT.
WICKHAM GLEN, THE SAME WITH THE PM LEFT ENTERING.
YOU CAN SEE THE 12 LEFT TURNS IN THE PM PEAK AT BLAIR ROAD, BUT ALSO FOUR IN OUR SITUATION AND FIVE AT WICKHAM.
GLEN, I WOULD ALSO PROPOSE TO YOU THAT IF WE STAND BY THE ORDINANCE AND YOU SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH NINE LOTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE? IF THAT'S ONE OF OUR CHOICES, IF THIS GETS DENIED, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO AND AND TRY TO DETERMINE IF NINE LOTS WOULD WORK.
WE HAVE TO HAVE TO DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS TO SEE IF IT WOULD WORK.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CHANGE OF ONE CAR IN THE AM AND ONE CAR IN THE PM VERSUS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THE 12 LOTS.
I I WOULD CONTEND TO YOU THAT THAT'S REALLY NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM A STANDPOINT OF TRAFFIC SAFETY AND AN IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING, UH, ROAD NETWORK.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE QUESTION OF SAFETY.
I REALIZE VDOT WARRANTS ARE NOT A DETERMINATION AND THE COUNTY GOV IN THE COUNTY ORDINANCE, IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE DETERMINATION IN BRIGHT LINE.
EITHER YOU'RE NINE OR LESS LOTS OR YOU'RE 10 OR MORE.
AND IF YOU'RE 10 OR MORE, YOU'RE BUILDING A LEFT TURN LANE OR ASKING FOR A WAIVER.
VDOT GOES A LITTLE BIT FARTHER THAN THAT WHEN THEY LOOK AT IN THE DETERMINATIONS.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT IN THE, BOTH THE PM AND THE AM WE ARE QUITE A WAYS AWAY FROM, UH, PROVIDING THE NECESSARY WARRANTS IN ORDER TO MEET THE VDOT STANDARDS FOR WHAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER.
AND, UH, IN THE AF REPORT ITSELF, UM, THEY'VE ALSO KNOWN, BUT IN TALKING WITH OUR ENGINEER, HE, HE AGREED WITH THIS STATEMENT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR TURN LANES AT, ON, ON SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS.
I THINK IT'S REALLY, UH, ALSO THAT BASED ON THE BEST AVAILABLE DATA, THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES DO NOT WARRANT A LEFT TURN LANE ACCORDING TO STAFF, BUT CERTAINLY ACCORDING TO VDOT, I'D ALSO POINT OUT THAT BASED ON OUR, UM, CALCULATIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A 40% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC ON RIVER ROAD.
SO ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT A LEFT TURN LANE LANE, UH, REQUIREMENT, IT'S HOW MANY CARS ARE TURNING IN, BUT HOW MANY CARS ARE ALSO OPPOSING YOU.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL TRAFFIC, THEY LOOK AT THE BACKGROUND TRAFFIC, THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, UM, THE ANTICIPATED INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, AND THERE'D HAVE TO BE A 40% INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF CARS ON RIVER ROAD IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR A LEFT TURN LANE.
AND YOU CAN SEE ON THAT SECOND BULLET POINT, RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE 3,382 OPPOSING VEHICLES GENERALLY, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE INCREASED, UH, OVER 535, UH, IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE VDOT WARRANT.
UM, AT THAT POINT, YOU CAN SEE IN THE UPPER, UH, CHART THAT I'VE GOT THERE THAT ALSO THAT, UH, AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHICH IS A COMMON TERM THAT WE USE IN TRAFFIC STUDIES, UM, WE'RE AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE A AND B IN THE AM AND PM, UH, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU'RE HEADED, UH, FROM A STANDPOINT OF, UH, THE LEFT TURN MOON AT THAT INTERSECTION AT OUR, OUR, OUR SUBDIVISION, AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR WICK AND GLEN AND OUR RIVERGATE AS WELL.
AND THEN FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO, I GUESS REMIND THAT, UM, THERE'S A CONCERN THAT, UH, WAS RAISED ABOUT, WELL, GEE, AREN'T YOU JUST SAVING 500 TO $800,000? AND ISN'T THAT JUST GOING INTO THE POCKET? THE REALITY IS THAT GOES INTO THE PRICE OF THE LOT, AND THAT'S WHERE, WHERE WE WOULD GO.
BUT, UH, THE, UH, ACTUAL, UM, REACTION IS THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS BY PAYING THE CASH
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PROFFER PER THE COUNTY POLICY PER STATE LAW.WE'RE DEDICATING THOSE, UH, TO THE CENTER LINE OF RIVER ROAD TO MAKE SURE THAT 35 FEET TO THE CENTER LINE, AND WE'VE COMMITTED TO THAT PROFFER AND CONTINUING TO COMMIT TO THAT WE ARE CONSTRUCTING A RIGHT TURN LANE, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T MEET VDOT WARRANTS BECAUSE WE CAN FIT IT IN AND WE'RE MAKING, UH, MAKING ROOM, UH, ABLE TO MAKE ROOM FOR THAT.
WE'RE STILL CONSTRUCTING THAT RIGHT TURN LANE, UH, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR THAT, UH, SITUATION.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I GUESS WE WOULD, UM, CONTINUE TO ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS REQUEST FOR A WAIVER.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY AN, OBVIOUSLY A NOMINAL DIFFERENCE, AS I POINTED OUT.
WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PERMITTED? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CAR IN THE MORNING, RUSH HOUR, PEAK HOUR, AND A CAR IN THE EVENING PEAK HOUR.
UM, WE ALSO BELIEVE THIS IS A SAFE SITUATION GIVEN STAFFS ANALYSIS, GIVEN THE STANDARD SET FORTH IN THE ORDINANCE, GIVEN THE EMPIRICAL DATA TO SHOW THAT IT IS A SAFE GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN, UH, BY DOES NOT MEET VDOT WARRANTS AND PROBABLY MOST TELLING BY THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC MOVEMENT AT WICKHAM, GLEN RIVERGATE AND RANDOLPH SQUARE, NONE OF WHICH WOULD HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE AND NONE OF WHICH HAVE A SAFETY ISSUE TURNING LEFT INTO THEIR SUBDIVISIONS.
WITH THAT, I WOULD, UH, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND ASK WHO APPROVED THIS REQUEST.
ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? MR. CONLIN? YOU'VE BEEN MOST GRACIOUS WITH YOUR TIME AND I'VE ACTUALLY, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT I'VE ENJOYED OUR CONVERSATION.
YEAH, AND I THINK I'VE SHARED WITH YOU, I'M LOOKING FOR A WAY TO SEE HOW THIS MAKES SENSE AND, AND I'M NOT THERE YET.
UM, AND, AND I AM COMING BACK TO THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT IF YOU COULD BUILD THE TURN LANE, YOU'D BUILD IT.
AND SO IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE WAIVER, SO IT'S PHYSICALLY RIGHT.
COMMIT THE SAFETY, WHICH IS ONE OF MY PRIME MM-HMM.
UH, I THINK IS SHARE IS A SHARE.
I I DON'T WANNA PROJECT ONTO YOU, BUT I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
IT IS A SHARE, IT IS A, A PRIMARY MOTIVATOR HERE.
THE OTHER IS, I I YOU MEAN THE SAFETY, SIR? I JUST WANNA CLARIFY.
YEAH, NO, I JUST DIDN'T, I I WASN'T SURE WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT.
WELL, SOMETIMES I'M NOT SURE
BUT, UM, I, I DID TAKE, UH, JUST BECAUSE I WANTED MORE EXPOSURE TO THE PLANNING PROCESS.
I, I TOOK THE CLASS DOWN AT VCU MM-HMM.
AND ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS I GOT IS IT'S CALLED A PLANNING COMMISSION, NOT A APPROVE, A WAIVER COMMISSION.
AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.
AND THERE IS A HUNDRED ACRES DOWN THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF SIX AND ROUTES AND, AND RIVER ROAD.
THERE'S 30 ACRES DOWN THERE, RIGHT.
TRAFFIC IS NOT GOING TO DIMINISH ON RIVER ROAD.
IT'S GOING TO INCREASE NOW HOW QUICKLY IT INCREASES AND HOW QUICKLY WE GET TO YOUR 583 NUMBER.
I CAN'T SAY MM-HMM,
AND SO WHEN IS THE RIGHT TIME TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ADDRESS SAFETY WHEN YOU NEED THEM? SO WE CAN GO TO VDOT AND SAY, VDOT, WILL YOU PLEASE HELP US? WE NEED MONEY TO IMPROVE SAFETY.
AND MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT IS A LONG CONVERSATION.
AND SO IS THIS THE TIME TO MAKE A DECISION FOR THE FUTURE? NOT JUST TODAY.
MY INCLINATION IS TO SAY YES, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND IT HAS A COST TO IT.
NOW I'M AN OPTIMIST AND I THINK THAT WE'LL GET TO A SOLUTION HERE.
YOU'VE ALREADY SHARED ONE AND THAT WOULD BE NINE LOTS.
I I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S VIABLE THERE.
I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY.
BUT IS IS, THIS DOESN'T KILL IF YOU DON'T GET THE WAIVER, THIS DOES NOT KILL THE PROJECT.
IT JUST CREATES, WE'RE, WE'RE ASSUMING.
BUT AGAIN, UH, I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU, JUST LIKE I COULDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION BEFORE ABOUT WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE ZONING, CAN YOU, CAN YOU ASSURE US THAT THIS WON'T FIT INTO THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY? I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT IT WON'T KILL.
I MEAN, THIS WAS PURCHASED, LAND WAS PURCHASED BASED ON THE ZONING, WHICH WAS APPROVED AT 14 LOTS.
UH, BY THE WAY, UH, THE COUNTY DOESN'T, AND I I DON'T MEAN THIS FACETIOUSLY AND I HOPE YOU TAKE IT THE RIGHT WAY.
THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM ACCEPTING A CASH PROFFER FOR THE FUTURE.
AND YOU WILL BE ACCEPTING THAT RIGHT? FROM THE PAYMENTS THAT ARE MADE FOR THE USE OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO ADDRESS THE IMPACTS THAT WE HAVE.
SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THE FUTURE STANDPOINT, ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR CASH PROFFERS AS WE ASSUME THEY WILL.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S EACH CASE STANDS ON ITS OWN.
WE CERTAINLY WILL FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ADDRESSING OUR IMPACTS.
SO, WELL, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I DON'T, DIDN'T MEAN TO GET ALOY HERE, BUT, UH, I GUESS REALLY MY QUESTION WAS IF THIS WAIVER'S NOT APPROVED, THERE'S STILL A VIABLE, THERE ARE OPTIONS OUT THERE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
IT JUST MIGHT NOT BE AS CURRENTLY PRESENTED.
OH, CERTAINLY WE COULD WAIT UNTIL THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR BECOMES AVAILABLE.
THE COUNTY COULD USE EMINENT DOMAIN.
UM, YOU KNOW, DON'T SAY THOSE WORDS, PLEASE.
WELL, THAT'S, THOSE ARE OPTIONS.
WE WANT TO ADDRESS ALL OPTIONS.
BUT THAT'S NOT AN OPTION THAT THE COUNTY'S WILLING TO DO.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT NOR ARE MOST TOTALITIES.
UH, BUT THE ANSWER IS TOO, THAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFICALLY FOR DEVELOPMENT OF ONE UNIT PER ACRE.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, THAT'S WHAT WE GOT APPROVED FOR.
AND IT'S AN EFFICIENT USE OF THE LAND
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TO ASSURE THAT THERE'S ONE ACCESS POINT TO SERVE 14 LOTS VERSUS MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS ON RIVER ROAD, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT A MORE UNSAFE CONDITION.THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING, AND QUITE FRANKLY, UH, THIS ORDINANCE, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WE WERE HERE FOR WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS, UH, UH, CHANGED TO NINE LOTS.
IT IS STILL PENALIZING SMALLER LOT.
IT'S ENCOURAGING LARGER NUMBER OF LOTS SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE MORE, UH, FRONT FRONTAGE.
AND WE'RE DISCOURAGING, UH, THESE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE MAKING AN INEFFICIENT USE OF THE LAND, INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE ENCOURAGING ME TO GO TO NINE LOTS BY DENYING THIS, WHEN IN FACT THE CONFERENCE PLAN SAYS 14 LOTS AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR.
SO, WELL, I, I GUESS I DID A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN ASK A QUESTION, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, I HAVE ENJOYED OUR CONVERSATION.
IF YOU'VE, I HAVE AS YOU'VE DOMINATING, UH, I'M, I'M, I'M STILL WORKING ON IT.
THERE MAY MORE MAY BE REVEALED.
ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? OKAY, THANK YOU MR. CONLAND.
I WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
UM, THEY SHOULD ONLY BE ADDRESSED AT THE TOPIC OF THIS HEARING.
AND PLEASE, SINCE WE EXPECT A NUMBER OF COMMENTS FOR THIS, IF YOU WILL COME DOWN TO THE FRONT AND BE READY.
UH, AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AS WELL WHEN YOU, UH, COME TO MAKE COMMENTS.
WHERE'S IT GONNA SIT THERE? SOMEONE'S GOTTA GO FIRST.
UH, THE, UH, I HAVE JUST A FEW COMMENTS.
JAMES O'HANLON, O-H-A-N-L-O-N.
WE LIVE UP 4 4 4 RIVERGATE DRIVE.
WE BORDERED THE NORTH PROPERTY AT THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE, UH, BEFORE I GOT IN THE SLING, I WAS DRIVING, UH, THREE GRANDSONS BACK AND FORTH TO SWIM PRACTICE FROM, FROM RIVERGATE ON RIVER ROAD UP TO, UH, REGENCY.
AND I JUST STARTED AN EMPIRICAL STUDY WHERE I'M COUNTING THE CARS THAT'S GOING THE OTHER WAY ARMY WHILE I'M DOING IT.
AND THAT'S ABOUT A FOUR OR FIVE MINUTE DRIVE BEFORE I GET TO THE LIGHT OF AT GASKINS, UH, GATE GASKINS AND GO NORTH.
AND I'VE COUNTED BETWEEN 19 AND 32 VEHICLES IN ABOUT FOUR MINUTES PAST ME GOING THE OTHER WAY.
AND IT'S ALL VARIOUS TIMES DURING A DAY.
AND IT'S IN THE SUMMER WHEN THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SCHOOL, THERE'S NO SCHOOL GOING ON.
SO THE, I THE, I SAW THE, THE, UH, INFORMATION ON THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, I JUST QUESTIONED THAT MY EMPIRICAL STUDY IS A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THAN WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S BEING PRESENTED.
AND THEN THE, THE, UH, ONE OTHER THING I JUST WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, UH, MAYBE SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF, UH, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE REQUIREMENT FOR A LEFT TURN LANE IS NOT ANYTHING NEW IN THIS PLANNING PROCESS.
MATTER OF FACT, WHEN THEY STARTED THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLANNING PROCESS, IT WAS DOWN TO THREE OR FOUR LOTS OR A SMALL NUMBER.
AND THEN RECENTLY WAS IN INCREASED TO 10 LOTS.
AND NOW THEY, THEY HAVE 14 LOTS.
SO THEY WANT AN EXCUSE FOR THAT OR AN EXCLUSION OR FOR THAT.
UH, I QUESTIONED THE PLANNING IN THEIR PROCESS.
THEY, THEY KNEW ALL ALONG THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE.
WHY DIDN'T THEY INCLUDE THAT IN THEIR PLANNING PROCESS AND THEIR LAND AND IN THEIR LAYOFF? AND I THINK THEY DO HAVE LAND TO MAKE THAT LEFT TURN LANE.
THEY HAVE TO JUST GIVE UP A LITTLE BIT OF A FRONT LANE, UH, FROM PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE.
I LIVE IN RIVERGATE AND I WAS JUST TAKING NOTES ON MY PHONE WHILE EVERYONE WAS.
OH, UH, FIVE 11 RIVERGATE DRIVE.
AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO TAKE MY GLASSES OFF BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MY READERS.
UM, DIDN'T THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO YOU ALL TO DENY THE REQUEST INITIALLY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT? WASN'T THAT WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION? MA'AM? THE BOARD IS UNFORTUNATELY NOT ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, SO WE'RE JUST HERE TO OH, LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
WELL I THOUGHT PHIL, I'LL JUST MAKE IT INTO A COMMENT THEN.
I THOUGHT THAT, I HEARD THAT THAT WAS SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS NEVER RECOMMENDED THAT THIS GO THROUGH AND THAT THE BOARD VOTED FOR IT AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO WHEN THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS TALKING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TALKING ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC STUDY, I GUESS I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED AS TO WHY THAT IS SOMETHING HE SEES AS HIS BENEFIT OR THAT
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THEY'RE SOMEHOW, BECAUSE IF THEY WERE MEANING ABOUT THAT, THEN WHY WOULD, AND THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT, WHY DID THEY DIDN'T WANNA DENY EVEN WITH THE LEFT TURN LANE.OR UM, ALSO, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ACCIDENT REPORTS ARE JUST CAR WITH CAR, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S A LOT OF DEER ON RIVER ROAD AND AT NIGHT IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN OUR FAMILY WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF COLLISIONS WITH DEER.
SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I'D THROW THAT OUT THERE AS WELL.
HE ALSO MENTIONED, I THINK IN HIS COMMENTS THAT THE TRAFFIC WAS GOING DOWN AND THEY MEASURED IT FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THAT IN 2020 AND 2021 THAT THE TRAFFIC WAS DECREASING, WHICH I THINK WE ALL CAN THINK THAT THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE WE WERE ALL IN A PANDEMIC SHUTDOWN LOCKDOWN.
SO YEAH, I'M SURE TRAFFIC WAS DRASTICALLY, OH, AM I RUNNING OUTTA TIME? IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? OKAY, SORRY.
I GUESS I'M LASTLY IS, UM, AS A MOTHER, AND I KNOW THERE'S NOT THREE SCHOOLS, THERE'S FOUR NOW 'CAUSE IT'S SAINT GERTRUDES, BENEDICTINE COLLEGIATE AND ST.
CATHERINE'S BOTH HAVE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG DRIVERS, A LOT OF INEXPERIENCED DRIVERS WHO ARE ALSO DRIVING THEIR YOUNGER SIBLINGS.
'CAUSE THE FIRST ONE GETS THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE AND NOW MOM ISN'T PICKING UP AND DRIVING THEM ALL TO THE ATHLETIC FIELD.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVEN THOUGH THE BUSES ARE USING PATTERSON, THE PRIVATE SCHOOL BUSES, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL BUSES WILL NOT BE.
AND THE, THE, THE CARPOOLERS AND THE KIDS WILL ABSOLUTELY BE USING THE RIVER ROAD.
SO PLEASE LIKE, TAKE SAFETY FIRST AND, AND THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
UM, I LIVE AT 3 24 WICKHAM GLEN DRIVE.
UM, I'M A PHYSICIAN, WELL AT LEAST I USED TO BE.
UM, I GREW UP IN A SMALL TOWN IN INDIANA AND WE ALL HAD TO TAKE INDUSTRIAL ARTS AND OUR MACHINE CHOP TEACHER, MR. PIPER, HAD A SIGN ABOVE HIS DESK, DON'T START VAST PROJECTS WITH HALF VAST IDEAS.
AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT THIS ABSOLUTELY IS.
IF THEY DIDN'T DO THE ENGINEERING FIRST AND SPENT ALL THE MONEY MAKING PLANS FOR LOTS AND HOW TO DO IT AND HOW TO MAKE MONEY AND HOW TO PUSH THINGS THROUGH THE BOARD, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF BACKWARDS.
I, I THINK YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST.
YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU CAN DO, YOU DECIDE WHAT THE PROPERTY WILL SUPPORT AND THEN YOU DO IT.
AND WHEN YOU'RE TURNED DOWN, YOU DON'T COME AND SAY, WELL, THE, THE TRAFFIC ISN'T THAT MUCH.
'CAUSE I LIVE THERE AND I KNOW THE TRAFFIC IS THAT MUCH.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN WEST CREEK AND THERE'RE HUGE CONDO BUILDINGS THERE AND THEY COME DOWN BLAIR ROAD AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING RIGHT BY THERE.
SO I, I THINK TO SAY IT, IT IS NOT GONNA WORK.
IT'S NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.
THAT ISN'T WHAT WE SHOULD BE HERE FOR.
WE SHOULD BE HERE FOR WHAT'S RIGHT.
WE HAVE PAST LAWS, WE HAVE REGULATIONS AND WE SHOULD FOLLOW THEM IF THEY STARTED A VAST PROJECT WITH A HALF VAST IDEA.
IT'S TOO BAD THEY GET A LOW GRADE JUST LIKE I WOULD'VE GOTTEN IN MACHINE SHOP.
SO I, I ASK THAT YOU TURN THIS DOWN.
I LIVE, MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 1 3 2 9 6 BECKFORD LANE IN RIVERGATE.
WE'VE BEEN, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS IN GOLAND SINCE OH ONE.
UM, I SERVED ON THE GOMAN COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY FROM 2013 TO 2017.
I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THE COUNTY IN THOSE FOUR YEARS, WORKING WITH THEN BECKY DIXON WHEN SHE WAS COUNTY MANAGER.
UM, I SUPPORT SOUND AND PROPERLY DESIGNED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE GOOD OF ALL.
AND WE LOVE LIVING IN, WE LOVE LIVING IN GOLAND.
MY GOOD FRIEND VIRGIL HASLET SAID HE DISOWNED ME WHEN I LEFT IN RECO, BUT THAT'S TOO BAD 'CAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE THE ACREAGE AND THE WOODS AND THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
UM, ALREADY MENTIONED THE ADDITION OF THE SCHOOLS.
THE LAST TIME I SPOKE HERE WAS THE TURN LANE ISSUE IN TUCKO PINES.
AND I CAME BEFORE YOU AND ASKED THAT A RIGHT HAND TURN BE MANDATED FOR THOSE FOLKS COMING OUTTA THERE ONTO PATTERSON.
MY CONCERN WAS USING THAT EX THE PATTERSON EXIT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY SENIOR CITIZENS.
THE TRAFFIC COMING OFF THE HILL IS PRETTY VOLUMINOUS AND THERE IS NOW A
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RIGHT HAND TURN LANE.THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T ABIDE, ABIDE BY IT, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK MOST PEOPLE DO.
AND SO FAR WE'VE NOT HAD AN INCIDENT.
WHAT I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN WAS A MAJOR CRASH RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR GATE WITH THOSE FOLKS.
AND SO THAT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE THAT WAS DONE CORRECTLY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT MY COMMENTS MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT AS YOU KNOW, THE TURN LANE'S THERE AND IT'S WORKED WELL.
I DO NOT SUPPORT GRANTING THIS WAIVER.
I THINK THE SAFETY ISSUE TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE IS BIG.
AND AS I SAT HERE AND LISTENED TO THE DISCUSSION, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE ENTRANCE TO WICKHAM GLEN AND RIVERGATE IS VERY SHORT.
THIS IS GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL ENTRANCE IN A VERY SHORT DISTANCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MILEAGE IS, BUT I BET IT'S LIKE FOUR TENTHS, THREE TENTHS OF A MILE.
EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO, TO IMPROVE AND MAKE THAT FOR THE FUTURE, I RECOMMEND IT.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS WAIVER.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I'M GEORGE MAHONEY.
I LIVE AT 3 25 WICKHAM GLEN DRIVE.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF THE WICKHAM GLEN COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT I HAVE ONLY A FEW BRIEF COMMENTS.
IN ADDITION TO THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT WE FILED EARLIER, I HAVE TO SAY THAT WE'VE BEEN SURPRISED BY THE CITATIONS TO VDOT AND BY THE FACT THAT THE STAFF SEEMS TO BE IN FAVOR OF GRANTING THIS WAIVER.
A YEAR AGO WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS BEFORE THE BOARD, THE LAST TIME, THE DEVELOPER WAS REQUESTING THE VERY SAME WAIVER THAT HE IS REQUESTING TODAY.
BUT THE STAFF NEVER AGREED TO IT.
THE STAFF NEVER BACKED OFF THE, THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND THE STAFF PREVAILED.
ULTIMATELY, THE BOARD HERE PREVAILED, AND THE DEVELOPER, OF COURSE, AGREED TO THE LEFT TURN LANE.
IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND THE CHANGE IN POSITION FROM A YEAR AGO TO TODAY, EXCEPT MAYBE JUST TO GRANT A SPECIAL FAVOR TO THE DEVELOPER.
AND AS FOR, AS FOR VDOT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, VDOT WAS AGAINST PUTTING A TRAFFIC LIGHT IN FOR THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN WEST BROAD AND 2 88, AND THEN PEOPLE STARTED DYING THERE.
SO IT'S AN OUTCOME THAT'S AN OUTCOME THAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO AVOID HERE.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE THINK ABOUT THAT IN THE LONGER TERM ASPECTS FOR RIVER ROAD.
IT, I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO HEAR MR. CONLAND TALK ABOUT, I THINK HE SAID 2017 TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT WERE HIGHER THAN THE 2022 TRAFFIC COUNTS IN HIS STUDY.
THAT JUST MAKES NO SENSE EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT HIS TRAFFIC STUDY, AS WE'VE NOTED, WAS MADE DURING COVID.
SO WHEN THE COUNTY HAS PASSED ITS OWN SAFETY RULES, ONES THAT ARE MORE STRINGENT THAN WHAT THE VDOT BASELINE IS FOR THE STATE, THAT SENDS A MESSAGE TO THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.
AND SO THE COUNTY SHOULD STICK TO ITS STANDARDS UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING LARGER TO BE GAINED AND THERE'S NOTHING LARGER TO BE GAINED HERE.
SO THERE SHOULD BE A PREFERENCE FOR SAFETY, ESPECIALLY WHEN TEENAGE DRIVERS ARE INVOLVED.
AND THERE ALSO SHOULD BE A PREFERENCE FOR ALIGNING THIS BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD IT RIGHT WHEN IT CONSIDERED THIS ISSUE ON JUNE 20, AND WE ASKED THAT THE BOARD SEND THE RIGHT MESSAGES WITH ITS DECISION TONIGHT AND THAT YOU VOTE AGAINST THE WAIVER.
I AM TED LEONHARDT, 1 3 2 8 2 KEL COURT IN RIVERGATE.
AND I'M SURE WE ALL WANT TO GO HOME.
UH, STATISTICS, TRAFFIC STUDIES MINUTIA, GENTLEMEN AND LADIES, LET'S GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING.
THE LOCKHART FAMILY WHO OWNS THIS LAND AND THE LAND BESIDE IT, DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE FAMILY, BUT THE FAMILY WANTED TO DO A DEVELOPMENT TO BRING WATER AND SEWER TO THEIR PROPERTY AND GET SOME RETURN ON THEIR LAND.
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WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT.THE THING STOPPING THE LEFT TURN LANE FROM BEING BILLED IS THE FACT THEY CAN'T ACQUIRE LAND.
'CAUSE THE OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS WON'T SELL IT TO THEM.
WELL, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THIS ISN'T ANY OF OUR PROBLEM.
AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT YOUR PROBLEM, AL I MAY HAVE MY FACTS WRONG, BUT THE LAND EXISTS.
THEY CAN'T, THE DEVELOPER CANNOT ACQUIRE IT.
I'VE HEARD THIS REFERRED TO AS A HARDSHIP.
WELL, GENTLEMEN, IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
AS I HAVE ADAMANTLY TOLD YOU BEFORE IN MY FIFTH APPEARANCE HERE, THIS BODY'S JOB IS NOT TO ENSURE THAT DEVELOPERS MAKE THEIR DESIRED PROFIT ON THEIR RETURN BY NOT ABIDING BY YOUR RULES AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY, WE'VE ALREADY MODIFIED SETBACKS, DENSITY, LOT SIZES, BUFFER, DEPTH, TURN LANES, GENTLEMEN, I, I SIDE WITH OUR, OUR, UH, SUPERVISOR, MR. LYLE, ON THERE.
SOME POINT IN TIME WE'VE GOT PUT A RAM AROUND, DOWN OUR BACK AND GROW APPENDAGES AND JUST SAY, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT IN A COUNTY THAT HAS A RURAL CHARACTER AND WE'RE GOING TO STOP SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE PROFIT MARGIN.
HE'S DONE A LOT OF WORK FOR ME.
IT'S TIME TO PUT THE FOOT DOWN AND SAY, NO, WE'RE SIMPLY NOT GOING TO DO IT.
BILLS ARE 12 HOUSES AND NOT COME BACK.
ABIDE BY WHAT WE TOLD YOU PREVIOUSLY.
I'M MARK MONAGHAN, 3 0 7 WICKHAM GLEN DRIVE, AND PRESIDENT OF THE WICKHAM GLEN COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE, UM, AND THANK, UH, MR. MAHONEY FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT HE'S DONE IN OUTLINING OUR, UH, OPPOSITION TO THIS WAIVER.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT RANDOLPH SQUARE DOES HAVE A LEFT HAND TURN LANE INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT AS YOU'RE HEADING WEST, JUST AFTER YOU CROSS THE BRIDGE.
UH, JEANIE RIVERS 1 3 2 9 OH KENNEWICK COURT.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE, UH, RIVERGATE, UH, COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE, I'LL BE BRIEF 'CAUSE I'VE SENT YOU A LETTER AND I KNOW MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE, AND YOU'VE HEARD IT ALL TONIGHT.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING NEW OR DIFFERENT EXCEPT THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
THE, THE TRAFFIC ON RIVER ROAD IS TODAY IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS IN 27 AND 2018, AND EVEN 2022.
NOW THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING BACK TO WORK, ALL THE SCHOOLS, THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND THE TRAFFIC IS ONLY GONNA GET WORSE.
WE KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
WE DEVELOP, WE BUILD MORE HOUSES, WE BUILD MORE SCHOOLS, WHATEVER THE, THE, UM, ALL OF THAT CONTINUES TO GROW.
AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MR. LYLE'S CORRECT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND PUT IT IN LATER WHEN YOU REALIZE NOW YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM.
UM, SO, UH, RIVERGATE FULLY, UH, SUPPORTS, UM, DENYING THIS WAIVER.
ANY ADDITIONAL CITIZEN COMMENTS? OKAY, SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE SOMEONE I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY'RE OKAY, SEEING NONE.
UH, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, DOES THE APPLICANT OR HIS, UH, REPRESENTATIVE WISH TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING BROUGHT UP? MR. KAMALA? I TOOK SOME NOTES ON THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO, I'LL GO THROUGH 'EM.
AND I GUESS REVERSE ORDER FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN, UH, UH, MR. LINHART HAD MENTIONED THAT WE'VE MODIFIED TURN LANES, BUFFERS, LOT SIZES, AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY MEETING ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MODIFICATIONS ARE.
THE ONLY ASK THAT WE'RE MAKING, UH, CONTRARY, UH, BUT CONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE IS THE LEFT TURN WAIVER, UH, THAT WE PROVIDED FOR.
I WOULD POINT OUT, AND I GUESS, UM, UH, AND A LITTLE BIT IN RESPONSE TO YOU, MR. LYLE AS WELL, BUT THE COMMENT HAS BEEN MADE ABOUT FINANCIAL AND THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAIVER, UH, STANDARDS, THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE STANDARDS THAT THEY LOOK AT.
AND I KNOW THAT ALL GOES TOWARDS SAFETY, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE, IS THERE OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN LISTED? AND IT'S NOT LISTED.
UH, IS THE DEVELOPER GOING TO MAKE MORE MONEY? THAT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE MONEY.
AND, UH, THAT'S A DETERMINATION THAT, UH, UM, IS NOT A FACTOR.
BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT'S AT, AT PLAY HERE EITHER FROM THAT STANDPOINT, UM, I WOULD, UH, POINT OUT, AND I GUESS IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MY FAULT WITH RESPECT TO THE VDOT AVERAGE ANNUAL AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS.
MY ONLY POINT WAS IN 2005 AND 2007,
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THAT'S WHEN, UH, THEY WERE AVERAGING 4,600 TRIPS A DAY.AND THEN FROM 2015 UP THROUGH UH, TWO, UH, 2021, THEY WERE, UH, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 4,040 300 TRIPS.
SO IT ACTUALLY WAS LARGER IN 2005, WELL BEFORE COVID, AND THEN IT INCREASED IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THAT MY ONLY POINT WAS THAT THE TRIPS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, MEASURE IN OUR TRAFFIC STUDY ARE CONSISTENT WITH VDO T'S ANNUAL AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE LIGHT.
AND I KNOW, UM, FOR FOLKS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THEY LIVE IN AN AREA, I REALIZE THAT IT'S ALWAYS BUSY.
YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC, THERE'S ALWAYS TOO MUCH TRAFFIC NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, UH, FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
UH, BUT WE DO HAVE TO GO ON THE DATA, THE DATA THAT THE COUNTY HAS AND WHAT THEY HAVE OTHERWISE, UM, FROM THE QUESTION OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST LAND FROM, UH, THE STANDPOINT OF ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER.
IT IS ADJACENT LAND THAT WE HAVE TO GET AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET THAT.
AND THE REALITY OF IT IS WHEN WE COME FORWARD FOR ZONING, WE'RE ASKING FOR A USE.
WE'RE NOT ENGINEERING, WE'RE NOT DOING, AND IT'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO TRULY ENGINEER A SITE OF THIS SIZE.
UH, WELL IN EXCESS OF $200,000.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE UNTIL YOU GET THE ZONING TO DO THAT.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO DO, AND WE WERE ASKED AND WE WERE HONEST, AND NOW IT'S BEING HELD AGAINST US.
WE, UH, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, UM, IT'S JUST UNREASONABLE, I THINK, FROM THIS STANDPOINT IN ANY ZONING CASE TO ASK, UH, THE DEVELOPER TO ENGINEER THE ENTIRE SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE PROCESS IN ORDER TO COME BACK, UH, FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
UH, I MENTIONED, AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VERSUS, UH, IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
I I MEANT TO SAY PLANNING STAFF.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PLANNING STAFF IN VDOT, UH, ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, NOT PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA.
GERTRUDE'S, COMES DOWN BLAIR ROAD EVERY DAY AND TURNS ON THERE.
UM, AND THAT THERE ARE YOUNG DRIVERS, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN YOUNG DRIVERS.
AND I THINK THE GREATEST EXAMPLE OF THE SAFETY, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT THOSE FACTORS COME TO, IS THE FACT THAT, UH, WICKHAM, GLENN AND I, AND I PRO, I DID MISSPEAK ABOUT RANDOLPH SQUARE.
I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOWER TUCK OF HILL IS WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID.
UH, BUT THAT, UM, THERE ARE NO LEFT TURN LANE MOVEMENT, LEFT TURN LANE GOING INTO WICKHAM GLEN.
AND IT'S BEEN OPERATING IN A SAFE MANNER SINCE 2004.
AND I REALIZED THAT IT WASN'T REQUIRED AT THE TIME WHEN THEY BUILT IT, BUT IT'S STILL OPERATING SAFELY BECAUSE OF THE SITE DISTANCE THAT'S AVAILABLE BOTH EAST AND WEST FROM A QUARTER TO ALMOST A HALF A MILE.
UM, I BELIEVE I COVERED ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
MAYBE I MISSED A COUPLE, BUT I TRIED TO COVER 'EM ALL IN KIND OF A SUMMARY FORM FOR SOME OF THE REPETITIVE ONES.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME.
DO WE, AT THIS POINT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE TE MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE.
THIS IS, YOU'RE GOING TO, OKAY, YOU DO THAT.
LET'S, I'M GONNA ADDRESS MR. WINFREY'S MOTION.
OH, MR. WINFREY, YOU MAY PROCEED.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVED PROPER AMENDMENT RZ 20 24 0 0 0 6 AS PRESENTED.
UM, YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. UM, UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE COLLEGIALITY OF THIS BOARD AND, AND I AM NEVER GOING TO PUT A SINGLE VOTE ABOVE WHAT I CONSIDER THE TEAMWORK HERE.
UH, BUT, UH, I, I MAYBE NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO THE BOARD 'CAUSE I GOT ON MY SOAPBOX A LITTLE BIT AND I DIDN'T MEAN, WELL, I DID MEAN TO DO THAT 'CAUSE I, THOSE ARE POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE
UM, YOU KNOW, THE STATE DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT WE HAVE RESOURCE OFFICERS IN OUR SCHOOLS, BUT WE DO IT BECAUSE WE THINK THAT'S THE BETTER WAY TO GO.
UM, I, I, UH, AM LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE.
I PROBABLY WON'T BE HERE IN 30 YEARS, BUT TRAFFIC WILL BE, AND THOSE ROADS WILL BE THERE.
AND I THINK THAT DECISIONS WE MAKE TODAY, WE'LL HAVE AN IMPACT.
UM, SO I WOULD'VE PREFERRED TO HAVE MADE A MOTION TO DENY IT, BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, I'M GONNA SPEAK AGAINST IT BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK IT'S IN THE LONG-TERM BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY.
I THINK IT DOES DIMINISH THE SAFETY IN EARLIER CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, THEY HAVE SAID TURNING LANES ALWAYS IMPROVE SAFETY AND ALWAYS IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW.
SO I, I, UM, WANT TO SET A STANDARD THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT IN BELIEVING THAT TURN LANES ARE A GOOD THING.
THAT THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE WAIVERS ARE WARRANTED.
I AM OF THE OPINION, THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
AND, UH, I WILL BE VOTING ACCORDINGLY.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK MR. CHAIR.
OTHER DISCUSSION CHAIRMAN, UM, THAT ON ANYONE? NO, NO.
UM, AND LISTEN, SAFETY IS IMPORTANT TO ME TOO.
UM, AND THIS HAS BEEN A PROCESS
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AND I'VE PAID ATTENTION TO IT EVEN BEFORE I WAS ON AND FORWARD.ONE OF THE THINGS I DIDN'T REALIZE IS I WAS GONNA HAVE TO HAVE EXPERIENCE AS A HIGHWAY ENGINEER, UM, FOR BEING ON THIS BOARD.
AND I ADMIT I DO NOT, BUT I HAVE STUDIED THIS, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS SUBDIVISION WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH LEAST NINE LOTS.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE SAFETY ISSUE HERE, I SAY, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NINE LOTS AND 14 LOTS? AND THAT'S FIVE LOTS.
AND IS THAT GOING TO REALLY AFFECT, UH, THE SAFETY ISSUE TO A SIGNIFICANT DEGREE? AND I, I, I HAVE A HARD TIME THINKING IT DOES.
I I VIEW IT AS A SORT OF A DROP IN THE BUCKET, AND THAT'S MY OPINION, AND THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL.
I DO FEEL THAT THE REAL SAFETY PROBLEM OR SAFETY ISSUE THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED IS THE REST OF THE TRAFFIC IS ON THE ROAD.
NOT THE TRAFFICS IS ADDED BY THIS, THESE 14 LOTS ARE NINE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT IF IN FACT WE HAVE A SAFETY ISSUE, WHICH I'VE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, STATISTIC PROVED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN VERY FEW ACCIDENTS HERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT CAN WE DO TO IMPROVE SAFETY WITH OTHER MEASURES THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, SPEED LIMIT.
YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING OF SPEED BUMPS OR SOMETHING LIKE, AND YOU CAN'T, YOU COULDN'T DO THAT ON RIVER ROAD, I'M SURE.
UM, THE ONE OTHER THING THAT WAS BROUGHT OUT, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO PAY ATTENTION TO, IS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PUT IN A RIGHT TURN LANE.
AND I THINK WITH THAT, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE DRAWING, IT MAKES FOR A VERY NICE, SAFE ENTRANCE INTO THAT SUBDIVISION.
IT'S NOT A DRIVEWAY OFF OF RIVER ROAD.
IT'S A NICE WIDE FORMAL ENTRANCE THAT'S GONNA HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE AND IT'S GONNA BE A SAFE ENTRANCE, I BELIEVE.
UM, THE OTHER THING, AND, AND, AND WE HAD SOME OF OUR STAFF GO OUT AND SPEND TIME AND, AND I'VE DRIVEN IT MYSELF.
IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE SAFEST STRETCH STRETCHES AS FAR AS SITE DISTANCE ON RIVER ROAD.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT, AND THIS WAS EARLY ON, AND I'M NOT AS CLEAR ABOUT WHAT, WHAT, UH, SURVIVED, BUT THERE WERE PROPERS THAT WERE GIVEN, UH, WITH THE 14 LOTS THAT I THINK MAY BE IN JEOPARDY OF DISAPPEARING IF WE GO GO TO NINE LOTS, FOR INSTANCE, A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK OR RIVER ROAD, OTHER BUFFERS AND, AND SETBACKS AND SO FORTH.
AND I REMEMBER AT THE TIME, AND I WASN'T ON THE BOARD THEN WHEN THE BOARD APPROVED THIS, AND THEY, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS 14 LOTS AT THE TIME, AND, AND I SAID, WELL, BY RIGHT, THEY COULD DO 12 LOTS AND THEY WERE GOING FOR 14 WITH PROPERS.
I SAID, IT'S A BETTER DEAL WITH 14 LOTS WITH PROPERS THAN IT WAS WITH 12 FILE, RIGHT? WITHOUT ALL THOSE PROPERTIES.
AND THAT, THAT'S HOW, AND I, AND I KEEP GOING BACK.
SO I'LL SAY THIS HAS BEEN A PROCESS AND YOU KNOW, I COME DOWN TO, I THINK THE SAFETY ISSUE IS NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT WITH 12 MORE LOT OR 14 MORE LOTS ON RIVER ROAD AND WITH AN INCREMENTAL OF FIVE OVER WHAT I THINK IS ULTIMATE WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, BE THE FACT THAT WE, IF WE DENY THIS WAIVER.
SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION.
WE'LL MOVE, WE'LL JUST GO DOWN.
MR. CHRISTIE, FROM, FROM THE COMMENTS I RECEIVED IT, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ASKING THIS DEVELOPER TO FIX ALL OF ROUTE SIX'S PROBLEMS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, A SIX HOME THRESHOLD.
AND THAT I, I FEEL LIKE THAT SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT OF, YOU KNOW, TYRANNICAL TACTICS TO DRIVE, UH, GOVERNMENT WILL, I, I WAS ORIGINALLY AGAINST THIS, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE DEVELOPER HAS EXHAUSTED A LOT OF EFFORT TO TRY AND MAKE THE LEFT TURN LANE WORK.
THEY, THEY FAILED, BUT THEY, AS MR. WINFREY SAID, THEY OFFERED A LOT OF PROFFERS.
I, I DON'T SEE THE IMPACT, YOU KNOW, SETTING OFF THE THRESHOLD OF SAFETY, UH, THAT, SO YEAH, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
MR. FANAU, UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
UH, FIRST OFF BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I APPRECIATE THIS IS KIND OF A NEW MOVE FOR US,
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US KIND OF GOING INTO WHY WE'RE VOTING THE WAY WE ARE, AND I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS TO HEAR THIS.UM, MAN, I'VE GOT A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THIS.
SOME OF IT YOU'RE, I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO KEEP IN MY, IN MY, UH, MY QUIET VOICE.
UM, LEMME TALK ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A MINUTE, A MINUTE, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP QUITE A BIT.
OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONS OPERATE DIFFERENTLY, AND I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE SEEN THAT IN YOUR, IN, UH, YOUR CLASS, MR. L OUR PLANNING COMMISSION SERVES A GREAT FUNCTION.
OUR PLANNING COMMISSION IS WHERE OUR APPLICANTS ARE ABLE TO GO AND TO VET THE PROCESS AND UNDERSTAND WHERE THE APPLICATION IS, IS LOOKING AT.
UM, AND THERE ARE, I CAN'T COUNT HOW MANY TIMES THAT THE BOARD HAS HAD A DIFFERENT DECISION THAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BOTH FOR AND AGAINST.
AND THE, THE, THE, THE ONE OF THE GREAT VALUES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OFFERS IS THAT WE TYPICALLY GET BETTER PROJECTS BY THE TIME THEY COME HERE.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CASE OF THIS TURN, UH, LANE.
UM, IT IS, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU FROM MY SIDE OF THE DAY, I KNOW THIS IS GOING THROUGH, BUT YOUR RECOLLECTION WAS VERY GOOD.
AND IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR FROM, FROM WHAT THE THOUGHTS WERE FROM THAT SIDE, BUT FROM, FROM THE INSIDE BASEBALL, THE WAIVER WAS ALWAYS THERE.
THE WAIVER WAS THERE THE WHOLE TIME UP UNTIL THE FRIDAY BEFORE IN THE AFTERNOON IN MY OFFICE WHEN I GOT THE PHONE CALL AND TALKING ABOUT THE CASE, AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS? AND I, I SAID, YES.
I SAID, I SAID I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE PROJECT IF THERE WAS A TURN LANE, BUT I'LL BE HONEST, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SAFETY.
IF I HAD A, IF I HAD THAT CORRIDOR IN DISTRICT TWO, WE, IT'D BE, IT'D BE A SUPER SPEEDWAY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT TYPE OF CORRIDOR.
UM, AND THE, WHEN THE CASE CAME TO US A FEW DAYS LATER, THERE WAS THE, THE TURN LANE.
SO IF I, I, AGAIN, SAFETY IS MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, BUT THE, MY NUMBER TWO THING IS, IS, UH, UH, UH, MR. WINFREY TALKED ABOUT GETTING ON HIS BOARD AND REALIZING YOU'RE WEAR SOME DIFFERENT HATS.
TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE WINDS UP BEING SOMETHING THAT IS WHY IN MY BELLY WOULD CALL A SUDDEN.
SO IF I CAN GET IN IMPROVED INFRASTRUCTURE AT ANY PROJECT, I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO THAT.
WAS IT A SHOWSTOPPER FOR ME AT THE TIME? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
UM, I WOULD'VE APPROVED THE PROJECT, UM, BECAUSE AT THAT, WHILE I, I FELT IT WAS SAFE AND I STILL FEEL SAFE.
THE DECISIONING FACTOR TO ME WAS, Y'ALL ARE GETTING A BETTER PROJECT BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE HOMES.
THE, THE, WE'RE WE'RE DOING MORE BUFFERS THAN WE NEED TO.
THERE'S MORE OPEN SPACE THAN WAS NEEDED THAT WAS REQUIRED BECAUSE WE, AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS A TWO HOUSE DIFFERENCE.
SO WE'RE THE, THE, THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY, Y'ALL WANTED TO THROW AWAY THIS ENTIRE PROJECT AND ALL THE BENEFITS FOR IT OVER TWO HOUSES.
SO I, I DO FEEL THIS IS A VERY SAFE ROAD.
I WOULD, OF COURSE, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE.
IT'S NOT A SHOWSTOPPER FOR ME.
UM, THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS TWO CITIZENS TODAY SAID, WE'RE DOING THIS FOR A FAVOR TO THE DEVELOPER OR TO INCREASE PROFITS.
UM, THAT IS IGNORANT OF THE FACTS AND IT'S INSULTING.
SO, UM, I'VE NEVER MADE A DECISION BASED ON PROFIT PROFITS.
I, I DON'T EVEN, I DON'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.
UM, I MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COUNTY LONG TERM AND WHAT'S GONNA BENEFIT THE, THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
UM, IF, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS COMMENTS, I'M GONNA MAKE A FEW REAL QUICK.
UM, I JUST POINT TO ONE THING.
'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE ORDINANCE ORDINANCES THAT WE PASSED AND WE HAVE SOME COMING UP.
IT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION IF WE WERE DRAWING A LONG BLACK LINE IN THESE ORDINANCES AND SAYING, THERE'S NO WIGGLE ROOM.
THE ORDINANCES GET PASSED BECAUSE WE PUT WAIVER PROVISIONS IN THEM.
SO THE 10 THAT WE RECENTLY MOVED UP TO, I NEVER WOULD'VE SUPPORTED 10 IF NOT FOR LANGUAGE.
AND I WILL QUOTE IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, IF APPROPRIATE, IF THAT LANGUAGE WAS NOT IN THERE, THAT IS CRITICAL.
I HAVE GONE TO THE SITE, I HAVE NOT ONLY DRIVEN IT, I HAVE WALKED IT.
THAT IS WHAT I THINK CITIZENS WANT OF OUR SUPERVISORS.
THE SITE DISTANCE IS OUTSTANDING.
YOU'D BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND BETTER SITE DISTANCE IN THE AREA.
TRAFFIC VOLUME IS TRAFFIC VOLUME, BUT IT IS NOT, IT IS FAR FROM ANYTHING THAT VDOT WOULD CONSIDER, UH, AS DANGEROUS AND THE ROAD NOT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE IT.
AND THAT DIRECTLY APPLIES TO REAR END CRASHES.
SO THOSE, UM, POINTS THAT WERE LAID OUT, THIS DOES MEET THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR A WAIVER OR AT LEAST
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MAKES A WAIVER JUSTIFIABLE.UM, SO I JUST WANT TO STRESS THAT WE, WE CALL GLIN UNIQUE FOR EXACTLY FOR CASES LIKE THIS.
ALL OF OUR CASES ARE UNIQUE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE RIGHT AS ELECTED OFFICIALS TO THINK THROUGH ALL THE FACTS AS PRESENTED, AND AS WE'VE QUESTIONED AND AS WE'VE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH US TO REACH DECISIONS THAT MAKE SENSE.
UM, IT WOULD BE A, WE COULD USE AI TO DO THIS IF IT WERE BLACK AND WHITE AND THAT WAS IT.
I DO THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA BE AN EXCEPTIONAL PROJECT AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BEAUTIFY RIVER ROAD.
IT'S NOT GOING TO, UM, PUT A STRAIN ON THE AREA OR TRAFFIC OR SAFETY.
AND, UH, SO WE WILL, WITH THAT, I WILL ASK MR. CARPENTER TO TAKE THE ROLE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
I MEAN, I REALLY, EACH OF US UP HERE, I THINK HAS REALLY EXPRESSED HEARTFELT AND INSIGHTFUL.
AND SO, UH, I SO APPRECIATE WORKING WITH YOU GUYS.
UH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS.
I, I TELL MY BROTHER ALL THE TIME, I COULD AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THEN WE'D BOTH BE WRONG.
UH, SO THIS IS AN INCIDENT WHERE I'M NOT GONNA AGREE WITH YOU GUYS, BUT I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION AND, AND ALL THAT'S GONE ON.
AND, UH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
THANK YOU MR. LYLE AND ALL THE SUPERVISORS.
UH, MR. WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
MR. CARPENTER, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE.
AND MR. LYLE, I THANK YOU TOO WITH, UH, US HAVING COMPLETED THE AGENDA, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL ADJOURN AS FOLLOWS, FIRST TO A SATURDAY, AUGUST 24TH, 20 THINKING
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JUST DISAPPEARED.UH, IF YOU COULD JUST HOLD FOR JUST ONE SECOND SO I CAN FINISH THE, UM, COMMENTS.
UH, THE BOARD WILL ADJOURN TO SATURDAY, AUGUST 24TH, 2024 AT 9:00 AM BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY RETREAT AT CENTRAL HIGH, CENTRAL AND EDUCATIONAL CENTER.
UH, 2 7 4 8 DOGWOOD ROAD MEETING IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, SET ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2024.
WE HAVE AN AFTERNOON TRANSPORTATION WORK SESSION, TIME TO BE DETERMINED.
AND FINALLY ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2024, WE HAVE OUR REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING FOR THE BOARD.
AND 6:00 PM WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE MEETING IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND TO ALL THE APPLICANTS.