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ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.UM, SO YEAH, THIS IS THE SEPTEMBER 3RD GOMAN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TRANSPORTATION WORKSHOP.
THE, UM, THE AGENDA FOR TODAY'S, AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF ITEMS IS FAIRLY SHORT.
HOWEVER, I DO EXPECT TO HAVE SOME GOOD CONVERSATION THROUGHOUT THE AGENDA ITSELF.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, AS ALWAYS, FIRST, THE CURRENT STUDIES AND PROJECTS, THINGS THAT ARE UNDERWAY IN THE COUNTY RECAP, ANY UNDERWAY PROJECTS, THE THING WE, THINGS WE EXPECT TO, UH, START CONSTRUCTION HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
TWO OF THOSE THAT ARE MENTIONED
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BRIEFLY IN THE CURRENT STUDIES AND PROJECTS PORTION, BUT WE'LL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT ARE THE NATIONAL ROAD I 64 INTERCHANGE, AS WELL AS THE ROCKVILLE ROAD SAFETY STUDY THAT WAS REQUESTED.UM, AND THEN WE'LL FINISH IT UP WITH THE GLAND TRANSPORTATION PROJECT PRIORITY UPDATE.
LAST WORKSHOP, UH, WE, WE PRESENTED SOME DRAFT SCORING CRITERIA, WEIGHTS, RANKING, UH, CATEGORIES AND SO ON FOR RANKING TRANSPORTATION, UH, PRIORITIES IN THE COUNTY.
SO AS WE WORK TO SET A TRANSPORTATION, CIP, IF YOU WILL, UM, OUR CONSULTANT, RK AND K GAVE US BACK SOME REVISED WEIGHTS AND ALREADY WORKING THROUGH THAT, UH, RANKING PROCESS WITH THESE REVISED WEIGHTS, BUT WANTED TO PRESENT THEM TO THE BOARD FOR, UM, I GUESS A FINAL CONSIDERATION IN ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO THE ACTUAL, UH, CURRENT STUDIES AND PROJECTS.
THE FIRST ONE, UH, TRANSPORTATION PROJECT PRIORITY NUMBER ONE HAS BEEN AND, AND WILL BE UNTIL IT'S COMPLETED, IS THE ACTUAL INTERCHANGE, UH, FIELD SURVEY AND GEOTECHNICAL WARNINGS ARE UNDERWAY.
ONE UPDATE TO THAT, THE GEOTECHNICAL WARNINGS ARE COMPLETE AS OF NOW.
UH, THE ONLY BORINGS THAT ARE NOT DONE AND WILL BE DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR ARE ON THE BRIDGE ITSELF.
UH, THE LAST ROUND OF BORINGS, WE DID SHARE ALL THE INFORMATION ON THE COUNTY SOCIAL MEDIA AS, AS WELL AS NEWS FLASHES OCCURRED AT NIGHT.
SO LITTLE HOPEFULLY, UH, LITTLE IMPACT TO THE TRAVELING PUBLIC FOR THOSE.
WHEN WE DO THE NEW BORINGS ON THE BRIDGE, THE HOPE IS THAT WE WILL DO THOSE AT NIGHT AS WELL TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THE TRAVELING PUBLIC.
FOR THE INTERCHANGE ITSELF, WE HAVE THE INTERCHANGE ACCESS REPORT, OR THE IAR.
IT WAS A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SURVEY, UH, PORTION OF THE STUDY THAT CLOSED IN THE MIDDLE OF JULY.
REALLY WHAT THAT WAS LOOKING AT IS COMPARING THE TWO BEST PERFORMING OPTIONS, UH, WHICH WAS THE DIVERGENT DIAMOND INTERCHANGE, AS WELL AS WHAT'S CALLED AN EXPANDED TRADITIONAL DIAMOND, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME EXACT FOOTPRINT WE HAVE NOW THAT'S CALLED A TRADITIONAL DIAMOND.
BUT INSTEAD OF IT BEING ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION, IT WOULD BE TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
SO COMPARING FROM THE PUBLIC STANDPOINT WHAT EACH OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES LOOKED LIKE, WE HAD, UH, ROUGHLY 450 PARTICIPANTS MAKING ALMOST 3000 UNIQUE RESPONSES WITH LITTLE, ALMOST 350 FREEFORM COMMENTS TALKING TO VENA, THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC FOR A STUDY IN THIS PART OF THE, UH, STATE.
SO WE WERE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF INPUT.
IT DID ULTIMATELY, UM, WITH A SLIGHT EDGE, THE DDI WAS THE FAVORITE FROM THE PUBLIC STANDPOINT, AS WELL AS THE, UH, UM, I LOST THE WORD, UM, FROM, FROM THE DATA STANDPOINT, THE DDI WAS ALSO THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
SO THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE SELECTED AND HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO VDOT CENTRAL OFFICE AND FHWA FOR REVIEW.
SO THAT WILL BE THE ALTERNATIVE THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED FINALLY BY THE, UM, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
IT'S SCHEDULED TO BE APPROVED BY FHWA IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.
UH, THE, THE REPORT DOES DETAIL IMPACTS TO COST AND TO BENNINGTON ROAD, WHICH IS WHAT WE'LL DISCUSS HERE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT, UM, IN CONSTRUCTION, AS ALWAYS, THE SCHEDULED TO START MID OF 2028 AND BEING COMPLETED IN 2031.
ANY QUESTIONS ON INTERCHANGE? I DIDN'T FIND ANY ROCKWOOD.
THE, UH, OH, DID THOSE BORING? I DON'T KNOW THE FINDINGS, I'M JUST KIDDING.
YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THESE STUDIES THAT WE DO.
THESE ARE ACTUALLY PART OF THE PROJECT PROCESS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THESE AREN'T STUDIES THAT WE'RE DOING FOR FEASIBILITY.
THIS IAR IS ACTUALLY STEP ONE IN THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING PHASE OF THE PROJECT.
UM, IT, IT WAS SAID THAT THE DDI WAS THE WINNER AND THE DATA WAS THE WINNER.
AND SO IT WAS SELECTED BY WHOM? IT WAS SELECTED BY THE, UH, WORKING GROUP OF MYSELF AND THE, UM, COUNTERPARTS AT BDOT.
SO I, I DIDN'T REMEMBER VOTING ON THAT, AND I WAS AFRAID I SOUND A BRAIN FREEZE THERE, SO I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
SO THE HOCKEY ROTARY ALIGNMENTS, UM, SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL, THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING HELD ON JUNE 11TH, UH, AT THE DOVER BAPTIST CHURCH.
WITH THAT, UH, V HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THEY MADE AN ERROR WITH PROPERTY OWNER NOTIFICATIONS.
SO THEY, WELL, OR LACK THEREOF, THEY DIDN'T NOTIFY ANY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS OR IMPACT PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THAT ROTARY ALIGNMENT.
SO WITH THAT, THEY POSTED WHAT'S CALLED A WILLINGNESS TO HOLD A SECOND LOCATION PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH MEANS THEY PUT ALL THE INFORMATION OUT AND SOMEBODY JUST CAN CALL UP AND SAY, I REQUEST THAT YOU HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THIS CASE, IT HAS.
UM, SO WE HAVE COUNTY STAFF DID RECEIVE THAT REQUEST.
IT HAS BEEN PASSED ALONG TO THE APPROPRIATE VDOT STAFF, AND THE DATE AND TIME WILL BE SHARED
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ONCE AVAILABLE.SO ANOTHER ONE OF OUR PRIORITY PROJECTS IS THE OILVILLE INTERCHANGE WITH I 64 WESTBOUND.
UM, I DID PUT A PICTURE OF THE MOST RECENT RENDERING, WHICH IS ALSO NOW ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE OF THE SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE INSTALLED.
UH, VDOT HAS POSTED, AGAIN, A WILLINGNESS, WILLINGNESS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE AREN'T REALLY ANY ALIGNMENTS TO CHOOSE FROM.
THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS THAT WOULD DIFFER HERE.
SO WE FELT THE WILLINGNESS WAS THE APPROPRIATE OPTION.
WE HAVE ONLY RECEIVED ONE CITIZEN COMMENT TO DATE THUS FAR.
IT WAS AN EMAIL RECEIVED ON AUGUST 27TH REQUESTING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN LIEU OF A ROUNDABOUT.
THAT EMAIL, I BELIEVE, WAS SHARED WITH THE BOARD, AND, AND I DID SHARE IT WITH VDOT.
UH, BUT I DO WANT TO READ AT LEAST A PORTION OF V O'S RESPONSE TO THAT.
SO THE COMMENT FROM THE CITIZEN WAS, AND I'LL PARAPHRASE, UM, WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC AT PEAK HOURS HEADING SOUTH ON OLDVILLE ROAD FROM THE INTERCHANGE, A TRAFFIC LIGHT WITH AN ADJUSTABLE GREEN LIGHT TO ALLOW THOSE LEFTS ONTO OLDVILLE ROAD, UH, WOULD BE A BETTER SOLUTION.
THE SAME LIGHTS HAVE SERVED ROCKVILLE MAD AND INTERCHANGE FOR YEARS.
SO THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE, THE EMAIL FROM THE CITIZEN.
UM, THE RESPONSE FROM VDOT THAT I DO CONCUR WITH ENTIRELY IS, UM, NUMBER ONE, A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WAS DONE, WHICH ALSO HAS BEEN POSTED TO THE COUNTY WEBSITE THAT THE INTERCHANGE ITSELF DOES NOT WARRANT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL BASED ON TRAFFIC VOLUMES.
AND WHEN TRAFFIC SIGNALS ARE NOT WARRANTED, A ROUNDABOUT IS BEST SUITED TO, UH, BE INSTALLED TO MITIGATE THAT CONGESTION.
UM, AS FOR THE TRUCK VOLUME, THE ROUNDABOUT IS CURRENTLY BEING DESIGNED FOR A TRACTOR TRAILER, AN INTERSTATE TRACTOR TRAILER, UM, KNOWN AS THE WB DASH 67 OR A 67 FOOT LONG TRAILER.
AND THE TRUCK VOLUMES WERE CONSIDERED WHEN THE ANALYSIS WAS COMPLETED.
AND THE, UM, EXHIBIT THAT I'VE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN HERE, THERE'S ANOTHER EXHIBIT AGAIN THAT IS POSTED ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THAT PAGE AS THE, WHAT'S CALLED TURNING MOVEMENTS, OR IT SHOWS A TRACTOR TRAILER NAVIGATING THIS PARTICULAR ROUNDABOUT, AND IT DOES SO WITH VERY LITTLE ISSUE.
IT WILL MOUNT THE TRUCK APRON AS DESIGNED, BUT AN INTERSTATE TRACTOR TRAILER, WHICH IS THE LARGEST DESIGN VEHICLE VDOT, UM, ACCOUNTS FOR, UH, NAVIGATES THIS WITH, WITH RELATIVE EASE.
AND THAT YELLOW, JUST SO THAT THAT YELLOW IS THE APRON YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, THE ORANGE YELLOW COLOR IS THE, IS THAT APRON.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE A LEDGE OR ANYTHING, AND THEY CORRECT.
IT'LL BE MORE THAN ENOUGH WIGGLE ROOM, MUCH LIKE WHAT'S RIGHT HERE.
IT'LL BE THAT MOUNTABLE REALLY FLAT CURB SO THAT WAY TRUCKS CAN ACCESS IT.
I, I HAVE ENJOYED THAT OFF RAMP AT PEAK HOURS AND IT DOES BACK ALL THE WAY FAST.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO WARRANT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL? YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
TRAFFIC BACKED UP ONTO THE INTERSTATE DOESN'T, THE SIMPLEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT IS A RELATIVELY EQUAL VOLUME OF TRAFFIC FROM EACH DIRECTION, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY REALLY ONE DIRECTION THAT'S PEAK, WHICH YOU NOTED IS FROM THE INTERSTATE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHY IT'S NOT WARRANTED, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT TRAFFIC ON VILLE ROAD ITSELF COMING TO AND FROM HANOVER COUNTY IN BROAD STREET, THAT IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE A SIGNAL FOR ONLY ONE DIRECTION.
CAN YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION? REGARDLESS OF WHAT THOSE BACK CORRECT.
ARBITRARY
AND IT'S, THAT SEEMS TO HOLD TRUE IN EVERY SCENARIO.
THE THREE PROJECTS, UH, ON THE SCREEN REAL QUICK, UH, FAIRGROUND ROAD EXTENSION, MUCH LIKE I HAD IN JULY, THERE'S NOT MUCH TO UPDATE THE BOARD ON.
IT'S STILL VERY MUCH UNDERWAY.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE UPDATED PLANS ON AUGUST 22ND.
WE HAVE A, A SLIGHT REVIEW WINDOW THAT'S OPEN NOW THAT, UM, I'M LOOKING THROUGH THE PLANS.
THERE'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING REMARKABLE THAT STANDS OUT AS FAR AS ANY ISSUES.
THE DESIGN JUST CONTINUES AND WE ARE SLATED TO START CONSTRUCTION IN 2026.
UM, INITIAL PROJECT SCORING IS EXPECTED IN FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR WITH FINAL FUNDING DECISIONS IN JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH VDOT TODAY AND, AND LATE LAST WEEK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE APPLICATIONS.
VDOT IS ASKING A FEW QUESTIONS AS THEY PROGRESSED THROUGH THEIR SCREENING.
SO THAT PROCESS IS, IS UNDERWAY AND HAS A LOT OF MOMENTUM.
AND THEN THE WEST CREEK AREA TRANSPORTATION ACCESS STUDY, I DID MENTION THIS IN, IN, IN THE JULY WORKSHOP, THAT IT'S REALLY A STUDY TO TEST OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN ROADS AND DETERMINE IF WE NEED ANY ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON THE CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATIONS.
SO IT'S NOT LOOKING AT ANY LAND USE CHANGES, IT'S JUST IF IT DOES BUILD OUT IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR NOT, IS IS REALLY WHAT THAT'S LOOKING TO DO.
AND WE'RE HOPING THAT STUDY WILL BE COMPLETED IN SUMMER OF 2025.
ANY QUESTIONS? I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THE,
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ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROJECTIONS, NOT CURRENT ZONING IS CORRECT.I MOTION, I BELIEVE IS STILL A TWO.
THE VAST MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL OF THAT LAND IS PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH A LOT OF THAT INTO AREA, BUT IT'S, IT'S BASED ON THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATION.
UM, ONE FINAL PROJECT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT'S STARTING TO GAIN SOME MOMENTUM.
ONE THAT I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IS WHAT I'M DUBBING THE FARMER'S MARKET CROSSWALK.
UM, MET WITH ME OUT THIS MORNING TO DISCUSS THE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS PUT A STRIPED CROSSWALK WITH ALL THE NECESSARY SIGNAGE FOR DRIVERS TO BE ALERTED TO THE CROSSWALK BETWEEN THE WHAT'S I'VE ALWAYS CALLED THE NAPA PARKING LOT OR THAT LOWER FIELD PARKING LOT AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY THE FARMER'S MARKET LOCATION PROVIDED THERE.
THERE'S HILLS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
IT'LL PROVIDE A BETTER, SAFER PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WITH THAT SIDEWALK TO BE INCLUDED TO AND FROM THAT PARKING LOT TO AND FROM THE FARMER'S MARKET, EITHER OR USED FOR OVERFLOW PARKING.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING DONE.
UM, THERE WILL BE THE NEED TO POST ASSURITY WITH VO FOR WORK WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M WORKING THROUGH, TRYING TO GET THE DETAILS ON THAT.
TARA, I'M PROBABLY GONNA GET WANT GET WITH Y'ALL'S OFFICE.
I DID FIND A RESOLUTION FROM 2017 WHERE THE BOARD AUTHORIZED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO LAND USE PERMITS.
IT DIDN'T NECESSARILY SPEAK TO SURETIES.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO CERTAINLY CIRCLE UP, TARA, WITH YOUR OFFICE ON.
UM, AND THEN ONE THING, ONE QUESTION I HAVE OUT TO VDOT IS IN ORDER FOR VDOT TO ASSUME MAINTENANCE OF THAT SIDEWALK, IT'S MY ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DEDICATE THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY AROUND THAT SIDEWALK, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF.
SO THAT WAY VDOT WILL BE ON THE F FOR ANY MAINTENANCE FOR THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FLOOR? YEAH,
UM, IS THERE ANY REASON WE WOULDN'T TRY TO DO THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE THING? SO PEOPLE WALK WILL PARK RIGHT UP ON THERE AND THEN MM-HMM,
SO TO USE THE SIDEWALK TO GET TO THE CROSSWALK.
SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE EASTBOUND DOWN TO THE OTHER ENTRANCE.
SO WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT AT THE TOP OF THE HILL WHERE THE SIDEWALK'S BEING INSTALLED, PUT SOME SORT OF FENCE OR SOME SORT OF BEAR TO ESSENTIALLY FORCE FOLKS THAT WANNA WALK TO GO TO EITHER ENTRANCE.
THEY'LL NOTE THEY'LL SEE THAT THE, UM, THE SIDEWALKS AT THIS ENTRANCE AND USING THE CROSSWALK, THEY'LL HOPEFULLY MAKE THEIR WAY DOWN TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE ROUNDABOUT RATHER THAN THAT NORTHERN ENTRANCE CLOSER THIS DIRECTION.
WE HAVE SIDEWALK COMING FROM THIS ENTRANCE TO, TO WHERE THE CROSSWALK IS CORRECT.
SHOULDN'T WE HAVE IT FROM THE OTHER ENTRANCE TO THIS ENTRANCE? UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN EXPLORE.
IT WAS NOT A PART OF THE PACKAGE THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE STUDY BECAUSE FOR A MID-BLOCK CROSSWALK, YOU HAVE TO GET A STUDY APPROVED TO SHOW THAT IT MEETS ALL THE SITE DISTANCE AND, AND SPACING TO THE NEXT CROSSWALK AND SO ON.
UM, AND NOT ANOTHER CROSSWALK, JUST A SIDEWALK TO IT.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN BRING UP IN MY CONVERSATION.
I KNOW THE LAND USE ENGINEER FOR VDOT IS OUT FOR MEDICAL REASONS FOR THE, UH, NEXT TWO WEEKS I BELIEVE.
SO ONCE HE'S BACK IN THE OFFICE, I, I DO PLAN ON SETTING UP A MEETING WITH HIM TO DISCUSS THIS PROJECT IN GENERAL, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADD THAT.
WOULD THAT BE ABOUT A QUARTER MILE OR SO? HOW, HOW LONG WOULD THAT SIDEWALK BE? NO, FEW HUNDRED FEET.
SO WE'D ONLY NEED HALF A MILLION FOR THAT
WHAT, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME OF THIS PROJECT, LIKE RELATIVE TO THE FAIRGROUNDS EXTENSION? OH, I MEAN THIS, THIS WILL BE, THE GOAL FOR THIS WOULD BE TO PUT IN BEFORE THE END OF THIS PAVING SEASON WHEN THE STRIPING WON'T BE AFFECTED BY THE COLD WEATHER.
WORST CASE IT WOULD BE EARLY SPRING NEXT YEAR WHEN, WHEN PAVING SEASON KIND OF REOPENS.
BUT WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO EVEN APPLY FOR THE PERMIT UNTIL THEY COMPLETED THE PAVING JOB BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THE PROJECT CLOSEOUT PROCESS WORKS SOME TIME FOR THE FALL FESTIVAL AND THE TREE LIGHTING POTENTIALLY.
THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S THE GOAL.
SO AS I MENTIONED IN MY OPENING THE ACTUAL ROAD INTERCHANGE, I DID WANT TO HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL RECAP.
UM, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE DDI IS SELECTED ALTERNATIVE.
SO FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, UNLESS IT FHWA PULLS, PULLS THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER US, THAT WILL BE WHAT IS INSTALLED AT, THEY ACTUALLY ARE INTERCHANGE.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT THAT IS WHAT WE HOPED WOULD BE COMING, BUT NOW IT'S ALL BUT OFFICIAL THAT THE DDI WILL BE THE, THE ALTERNATIVE THAT IS CONSTRUCTED.
THE REPORT, AS I MENTIONED, DOES DETAIL BENNINGTON ROAD IMPACTS IN THE CURRENT INTERSECTION LOCATION ADJACENT TO THAT PARKING RIDE.
UH, BENNINGTON WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO A WRITE-IN WRITE OUT SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG WITH ONE EXISTING BUSINESS DOWN BENNINGTON ROAD VOICED SERIOUS CONCERN ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF THEIR ONLY USABLE ENTRANCE, UH, BECOMING A WRITE-IN WRITE OUT.
THE DRAFT REPORT, HOWEVER, DOES SHOW BENNINGTON BEING RELOCATED TO A LINE WITH MARTIN MARIETTA'S ENTRANCE, WHICH I THINK IS ALSO CALLED FOREST ROAD.
SO IT IS SHOWING ABOUT, I THINK IT'S A 500 OR SO FOOT EXTENSION OF BENNINGTON ROAD TO RECONNECT WITH ACTUALLY PROVIDING A FULL ACCESS.
I DO HAVE, HERE'S A LARGE BLOW UP SCHEMATIC, UM, OF THE INTERCHANGE ITSELF THAT AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE WEAVE PATTERN.
WE ARE BUILDING A SECOND BRIDGE AND YOU CAN SEE BENNINGTON ROAD ON THE FAR LEFT HERE, WHICH I DO HAVE A BLOW UP OF.
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SO YOU CAN SEE IT IS BEING EXTENDED AGAIN, THAT 500 OR SO FOOT TO LINE UP WITH MARK MARIETTA'S ENTRANCE.UM, AGAIN, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED FOREST ROAD.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE INTERCHANGE BEFORE I MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE? IN YOUR PREVIOUS SLIDES YOU YES.
SAID THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT, OR YOU CHOSE BETWEEN THE SINGLE, SINGLE LANE DIAMOND TO WHAT? THE DOUBLE LANE DIAMOND.
SO THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE COMPARED WERE OBVIOUSLY ALTERNATIVE NUMBER ONE.
ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATIVE NUMBER TWO IS WHAT'S CALLED A TRADITIONAL EXPANDED DIAMOND, WHICH IS THE SAME EXACT FOOTPRINT WE HAVE NOW.
EXCEPT INSTEAD OF ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION IT WOULD BE TWO LANES.
SO WE'RE STILL GETTING A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY, BUT THE ONE THAT WAS KICKED DOWN WAS, INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT WEAVE, IT WOULD JUST BE A STANDARD DIAMOND INTERCHANGE.
BUT WITH THE NEW BRIDGE, BUT IT'S STILL TWO LANES? CORRECT.
SO NO MATTER WHAT THE IMPROVEMENT WAS GOING TO BE, IT WAS GOING TO BE TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? YES.
SO THIS BANK TO ROAD CENTER WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE THAT ORANGE LINE IS EFFECTIVELY WHERE THE CURRENT PARKING LOT NO, NO, THERE'S THE CURRENT PARKING LOT.
WHERE IS THAT GOING THROUGH? IF I LOOK AT THAT NEW EXTENSION, WHERE IS THAT GOING THROUGH? AS FAR AS THE NEW BENTON ROAD? YES.
SO IT IS GOING THROUGH WHAT IS RIGHT NOW, JUST WOOD KIND OF CUT OVER SCRUB THAT'S OWNED BY, UH, REPUBLIC.
IT'S THAT PARCEL, THAT FRONTS ACTION ROAD THAT THEY OWN.
AND THEN SO ALSO WOULD THERE BE ENVISIONED A STOPLIGHT AT BENNINGTON? LONG TERM? WE DON'T HAVE, AS A COUNTY, I SHOULDN'T SAY PLANS, WE DON'T HAVE THE, IN THE MAJOR THIRD FAIR PLAN, IT DOES NOT CALL OUT FOR SIGNALIZING ANY INTERSECTIONS NORTH OF I 64.
UM, THE ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WAS DONE, I BELIEVE IN 2015 WAS MOSTLY FOCUSED ON SOUTH OF 64 ON ASHLAND ROAD AND THEN BROAD STREET TO THE COUNTY LINE RATHER THAN NORTH OF 64.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, ESPECIALLY AS THIS GAINS MOMENTUM GETS INTO CONSTRUCTION, AS WE CONTINUE TO SEE DEVELOPMENT, UH, NORTH OF 64, THAT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY WANNA EXPLORE.
WE KNOW THERE'S, UM, WHENEVER PROJECT ROCKY DOES DEVELOP, THERE'S PROPER CONDITIONS NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT PROPERTY FOR A SIGNAL TO BE INSTALLED THERE, I BELIEVE THERE'S A SPACING TALKING TO VDOT FOR ANOTHER SIGNAL BETWEEN ANY ENTRANCE ROCKY MAY PUT IN TO THE SIGNAL ASSOCIATED WITH THE INTERCHANGE.
BUT NORTH OF THAT, WE, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY LONG-TERM OUTLOOK ON ACTUAL REMOTE 60.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE PARKING RIDE.
HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE KEEP OUR EYES ON THE PARKING RIDE? THAT'S BECAUSE WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THIS UNTIL THE PARKING RIDE IS CORRECT.
SO HOW DO WE TIE THESE TWO PROJECTS TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT PARK AND RIDE DOESN'T SLOW US DOWN ON THIS? IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD? SO THE PARK AND RIDE, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE WHITE RECTANGLE ON HERE.
IT, IT CAN'T SEE IT ON THE SCREEN, BUT IT'S AN OVERLAY OF THE PARKING RIDE PLANS.
THE PROJECT FOR THAT IS IT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROCESS, UH, THROUGH VDOT.
IT WAS FUNDED COMPLETELY SEPARATELY.
THE GOAL FOR VDOT IS TO HAVE THAT COMPLETELY OPERABLE LONG BEFORE CONSTRUCTION STARTS FOR THE INTERCHANGE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO USE THE EXISTING PARTNER RIDE AS KIND OF A LAY DOWN.
YOU KNOW, HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS AND SO ON, WHICH I THINK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY, UH, USE THE FACILITY FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN JUST DEMOING IT.
I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO, I KNOW YOU SHOWED THE DATES YOUR GOAL TO TRY TO REIGN THAT IN MUCH CLOSER TO TODAY THAN FURTHER OUT.
SO ONE WHILE LOOKING AT THAT AND THEN KIND OF FOLLOWING UP WITH, UH, WITH OUR CHAIRMAN AND WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT BENNINGTON ROAD, UM, I CAN HAVE A DEVELOPMENT, I BELIEVE HAD SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT BEING PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.
HOW DOES THIS REALIGNMENT AND DOES THAT, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE, CAN YOU GET SOMETHING IN BETWEEN THAT OR IS THAT NOW JUST DEAD? NO, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN THE NEW BENNINGTON AND ASHLAND ROAD.
SO THAT'S ALL GONNA BE IN RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THERE WON'T BE ANY USABLE LAND BETWEEN NEW BENNINGTON AND ASHLAND ROAD.
UM, IS IT CURRENTLY IN RIGHT OF WAY? YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE YELLOW LINE ON THE SCREEN.
I DON'T HAVE THE CORNER WITH ME, BUT THERE'S A, A FAINT YELLOW LINE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN THAT IT'S CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY.
THE RED LINE THAT GOES AROUND THE BENNINGTON EXTENSION WOULD BE FUTURE OR ASSUMED TO BE NEEDED RIGHT OF WAY RED OR ORANGE.
IF HE'S REFERRING
SO THIS IS, OKAY, SO I, 'CAUSE I THINK SIR, YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, HEY, CAN YOU MAKE THAT SOMETHING? SO THERE'S, THAT CAN HAVE DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THE ROAD AND ASHLAND ROAD OR BENTON ROAD.
ASHLAND ROAD BANK DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
THIS REALIGNMENT IS REALLY THE SIMPLEST, SHORTEST, CHEAPEST OPTION THAT COULD BE WRAPPED INTO THE INTERCHANGE PROJECT.
I THINK ANY OTHER REALIGNMENT, FUTURE REALIGNMENT OF BENNINGTON ROAD THROUGH, THROUGH THE 6 23 PARCEL, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THIS
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HINDERS THOSE CONVERSATIONS.I, I REALLY, I THINK THIS IS IN ORDER TO MAKE, MAKE SURE IT STAYS FULL ACCESS AGAIN IN THE SHORTEST PATH AND THE CHEAPEST POSSIBLE OPTION, RATHER THAN DOING A MORE FULL FLEDGED REALIGNMENT.
SO WITH THE BENNINGTON REALIGNMENT, I'LL DISCUSS COST REAL QUICK.
SO THE IAR UH, DID DETAIL, AGAIN, IMPACT TO THE COST ESTIMATE.
THE PROJECT CURRENTLY HAS $75.9 MILLION ALLOCATED TO IT THROUGH THE IAR PROCESS.
THE COST ESTIMATE HAS BEEN PROVIDED, AND I WANNA PROVIDE TWO NUMBERS FOR YOU.
THE INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS WITHOUT BENNINGTON ROAD COMES TO JUST SHOT OF 85 MILLION AND THE INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS WITH BENNINGTON ROAD COMES TO JUST OVER 88 MILLION.
SO THERE'S TWO DEFICITS ON THE PROJECT, WHETHER WE DO BENNINGTON ROAD REALIGNMENT OR WHETHER WE DON'T DO BENNINGTON ROSE REALIGNMENT.
FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE CONVERSATION, I'M ASSUMING WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BENNINGTON ROAD REALIGNMENT AND THAT WILL TOTAL A $12.4 MILLION ESTIMATE.
UH, OR, UH, DEFICIT, EXCUSE ME.
THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED.
AS BOTH THE ENGINEERING AND RIGHT OF WAY PHASES ARE FULLY FUNDED BECAUSE IT'S NOT $80 MILLION TO PULL THE SETS OF PLANS TOGETHER.
UM, SO FORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE SOME TIME TO MAKE THE DECISION, BUT I DO THINK IT'S NEVER TOO EARLY TO START HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE DO WE POSSIBLY GET THE FUNDING FROM.
UM, AS THE DESIGN IS REFINED, UH, VDOT WILL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THE PROJECT COST, WHICH IS GOOD AND BAD.
UM, AS WE UNDERSTAND THE FOOTER DESIGN FOR THE BRIDGE, AS WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO RELOCATE A WATER LINE, WE KIND OF REFINE WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL CONTINUALLY EVOLVE.
SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO TRACK THOSE COSTS AND PROVIDE A ACCURATE AT THE TIME COST ESTIMATE FOR THE BOARD TO, OR FOR NO MATTER WHICH WHICH PATH WE SEE.
UM, WE'LL HAVE A MORE ACCURATE DEFICIT NUMBER, BUT BASED ON THE $12.4 MILLION DEFICIT, THERE REALLY ARE TWO POSSIBLE PATHS TO FUNDING ANY DEFICIT.
UM, LOCAL OPTIONS INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, EARMARKING, CBT, LOCAL FUNDS, PROFFERS, OR OTHER GENERAL FUND DOLLARS AS NEEDED.
IF IT DOES GET TO A POINT WHERE IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, THERE ARE LOCAL BONDS THAT COULD BE ISSUED AS WELL THROUGH ANY KIND OF REFERENDUM.
UH, THERE ARE ALSO REGIONAL OPTIONS, UH, REAPPLY FOR CBT REGIONAL FUNDS.
UM, AND I I DO WANNA NOTE THAT THERE IS A MAX 10% INCREASE THAT COULD BE AWARDED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE FULL AUTHORITY.
AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY EQUAL $3.37 MILLION ON THIS PROJECT.
'CAUSE IT, IT'S 10% OF THE CBTA AWARD, WHICH WE HAVE $34 MILLION ON.
UM, OR SEEK ANY FUNDS THROUGH ANY CBTA ISSUED BONDS OR ANYTHING THAT THE, UH, THE FULL BODY MAY TAKE ON.
BUT ONE THING I DO WANT TO NOTE IS THE SMART SCALE FUNDS CANNOT BE USED FOR THE BENNINGTON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE BENNINGTON ROADS REALIGNMENT WAS NOT A PART OF THE SCOPE THAT WAS AWARDED SMART SCALE FUNDS.
THIS WAS MORE OF AN AFTER EFFECT OR A BETTERMENT THAT WE'RE ADDING ON AT A LATER DATE.
SO THOSE ARE REALLY SOME OPTIONS THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR TAGS ON, IS THAT I'M ALWAYS AN OPTIMIST THAT THE DEFICIT WILL DECREASE, BUT WE'LL SEE, UM, AS WE CONTINUALLY REFINE THOSE COSTS, WE'LL, UM, WE'LL REALLY EXPLORE ANY AND ALL OPTIONS.
MR. CHAIR, UH, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT DEFICIT WILL DECREASE? 'CAUSE I'M AN OPTIMIST.
NOW, CAN YOU BE A REALIST AND AND WHAT DO YOU REALLY, I MEAN, I'M AN OPTIMIST ALSO, BUT YOU, YOU, YOU HOPE FOR THE BEST AND PLAN FOR THE WORST.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA BE ASKED TO COME UP WITH $12 MILLION, I DON'T WANT TO START PLANNING TO COME UP WITH SEVEN AND AND SAY, WHOOPS, I DON'T WANT ANOTHER SCHOOL SITUATION.
I, WHEN I SAY THE, MY HOPES, THE DEFICIT DECREASES IS THAT WHEN WE DO NEED THE MONEY, WE ONLY HAVE TO FIND SEVEN.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S PRUDENT FOR US TO START PLANNING ON 12, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE MORE.
JUST AS WE START EARMARKING FUNDS NOT NECESSARILY ALLOCATING OR APPROPRIATING FUNDS, BUT STARTING TO JUST SET THINGS ASIDE AND EARMARKING THEM SO THAT WAY WHEN THE TIME COMES, WE'RE ABLE TO JUST PULL THAT, PULL THAT MONEY FROM WHATEVER POT WE DESIGNATED FROM AND, AND MOVE ON.
UM, I THINK OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WILL ADVISE THAT THERE WILL BE NUMEROUS REQUESTS FOR FUNDING FOR VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
AND, AND WHILE TRANSPORTATION IS ONE OF MY BIG THREE, UM, YEAH, I LIKE THE SHERIFF AND I LIKE THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND I LIKE EDUCATION.
SO I, I REALLY, I APPRECIATE THE OPTIMISM, BUT I, I'M GONNA GO AWAY THINKING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH 12 OR 13, 14, UM, JUST BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN PRICES COME DOWN ON MUCH ANYTHING AND WE HAVEN'T EITHER.
AGAIN, I'M JUST OPTIMISTIC THAT IT'LL EITHER STAY PUT OR GO DOWN.
BUT WE WILL SEE, UM, WE, NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE, AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S FORTUNATE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY AND HAVE TO COME UP WITH $12 MILLION.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY.
THIS COST TOO, IF, IF WE ASSUME CONSTRUCTION STARTS AT X DATE, THOSE COST FACTOR IN ESCALATORS
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CORRECT.INFLATION BASED ESCALATORS FOR THAT CORRECT PLAN START DATE.
SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY, I MEAN, WE ARE, WE ARE PREPARING MAYBE NOT TO THE FULL EXTENT, AT LEAST SOMEWHAT BASED ON RECENT INFLATION.
IT, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT INFLATION FACTOR ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT IT IS SUBSTANTIAL AND IT'S BASED ON HISTORICAL, UH, COST ESTIMATING THAT WE'VE SEEN JUST STEADILY INCREASE TIMEOUT TO COME.
UM, BUT MR. SPIN NOW TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, AS WE HOPEFULLY FIND WAYS TO ACCELERATE THE TIMELINE, DOES THAT EVENTUALLY SAVE US A FEW DOLLARS ON THE INFLATION SIDE? BECAUSE YOU KICKED, IF WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO KICK THE START DATE UP A WHOLE YEAR, THAT MAY SAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF INFLATION.
WAS THE PARKING, WAS THE PARKING RIDE BEING USED AS THAT HOLDING AREA PART OF THE PLAN THAT GOT FUNDED OR THE FUNDING THAT GOT APPROVED, OR THAT SEEMS LIKE IT A MAJOR COST SAVINGS.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS IN THE SCOPE OR IF IT'S BEEN ADDED.
THE SCOPE HASN'T BEEN REFINED TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THE PARKING LOT AS THE DEFINITE STAGING AREA FOR THE PROJECT.
HOWEVER, IT'S JUST BEEN DISCUSSED THROUGH PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND, AND AS THE PROJECT BEGINS TO KICK OFF THAT BOY, THAT SURE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
SO LET'S INCORPORATE THAT IN THE PLANS.
BUT THERE'S REALLY, FOR MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC AND, AND CONSTRUCTION STAGING, THERE'S ALWAYS JUST A PERCENTAGE ASSUMED OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST.
I CAN'T SAY WHETHER OR NOT WE'D SAVE ANY MONEY.
I HAVE A FEELING THAT EVEN IF WE SAVED A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, SOMETHING ELSE WILL NATURALLY GO UP A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS
THE COST ESTIMATES WILL BE, THEY'VE ENTERED INTO THE, THE REALM OF THEY REVIEW COST ESTIMATES ABOUT EVERY QUARTER.
SO THIS WILL GO THROUGH A FINE-TOOTH CONE.
HOW MANY QUARTERS DO WE HAVE BETWEEN NOW 28? I MEAN,
I JUST, IT IT DOES MAKE SOME SENSE TO IMPROVE THE BILLINGTON ROAD FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT DO WE DO TO HELP ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE OF IT.
EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T DO IT BETWEEN THE TWO, YOU STILL HAVE THAT, THAT WHOLE SIDE, BUT A LOT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU PROVE IT, THAT MAY, UH, INCREASE THE SCHEDULE A LITTLE BIT FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, AND, AND NOT ONLY DO WE WANT TO MAINTAIN ACCESS FOR FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES, BUT WE HAVE AN EXISTING BUSINESS DOWN THERE THAT'S RAISED SOME SUBSTANTIAL CONCERNS AND THEY'VE NOT BEEN QUIET ABOUT IT, WHICH IS GOOD.
I MEAN, I'VE TOLD 'EM TO BUG ME UNTIL WE GET THIS THING DONE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS FULL ACCESS.
SO WE, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT FROM BOTH STANDPOINTS.
IT'S MAKING SURE THAT FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE, AS WELL AS WHAT DO WE DO FOR THE EXISTING BUSINESSES ON BENNINGTON ROAD.
SO I'M, I'M HAPPY THAT WE HAVE
UM, I'M HAPPY THAT VDOT AND FHWA INITIALLY SIGNALED THAT THEY DO WELL TO CONSIDER THIS FREE ALIGNMENT.
UM, SO I HAVE, I JUST WANT TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT, WHICH WE'LL FOLLOW A QUESTION AND ACTUALLY A REQUEST.
SO JUST TO REMIND, SO WE'RE AT A $12.4 MILLION.
IF YOU TAKE OUT THE BANK IN A ROW, THAT'S AN EIGHT, AROUND $8 MILLION.
JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS PROJECT STARTED AS A, FOR FOUR YEARS.
WE WENT AFTER THE SOLUTION THAT BEAC TOLD US, WHICH WAS A $16 MILLION SOLUTION.
SO THE ORIGINAL SOLUTION THAT WE CHASED FOR FOUR YEARS IS NUMBER, OUR NUMBER ONE TRANSPORTATION PROJECT WAS 16 MILLION, THEN IT WENT TO 75.9 AND NOW WE'RE SITTING AT 84.5.
SO THAT'S JUST SOME CONTEXT OF WHY MY MIND, MY HEAD IS LITERALLY SPINNING AROUND OR FIGURATIVELY SPINNING AROUND ON MY SHOULDERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THESE BIG COSTS INCREASE ARE BY CATEGORY.
SO WE NEED TO START ASKING THEM WHY, WHAT, WHAT IS JACKING UP THESE COSTS? AND I, I DOUBT THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE IT, BUT AT LEAST STARTING TO HOLD PEOPLE TO THE FIRE.
LIKE THIS IS EVERY, EVERY TIME WE GET UPDATED, TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MORE.
UH, IS, IS THE BENNINGTON ROAD, IS THAT A SEPARATE PROJECT FROM THE, THE INTERCHANGE PROJECT? NO, IT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT, THAT WAS WHERE I, THAT'S THAT'S THE, IS IT GONNA BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR OR AFTER THE CURRENT PLAN IS BE FOLDED RIGHT INTO THE CONSTRUCTION.
HOW MUCH DISCRETION DO WE HAVE ON THAT? SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, IT'S DIMINISHED WITH V DOT DISCRETION.
AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS WHETHER NOT TO SUPER IMPROVE BENNINGTON ROAD.
UM, WELL, I MEAN RIGHT NOW THE DISCRETION IS WE KIND OF FORCE V DOTS HAND TO MAKE THEM FOLDED INTO THE INTERCHANGE PROJECT.
AT FIRST IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE TO BE COMPLETELY FRANK, THE BE REALIGNMENT DOES NOT IMPACT THE INTERCHANGE AT ALL.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY ABOUT KEEPING EXISTING BUSINESSES HAVING FULL ACCESS AND NOT RESTRICTING ACCESS TO FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THIS BE A PART OF THE REPORT.
AND ANOTHER JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF THAT.
SO THERE'S BEEN, THERE WAS A SORT OF A CONSCIOUS DECISION AFTER WE WENT AFTER THIS.
'CAUSE YOU CAN ARGUE, WELL IT WAS LIKE ONE OR TWO BUSINESSES, THEN THE COUNTY'S GONNA NOW PAY, HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN EXTRA $4 MILLION TO
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PROTECT TWO BUSINESSES.WHAT'S YOUR RETURN? HOWEVER, WHEN GOVERNMENT COMES IN AND SAYS YOU'RE A TRUCKING COMPANY AND WE'RE GONNA BLOCK YOUR ACCESS TO THE INTERSTATE AND WE'RE GONNA SEND YOU TO PARKSIDE, BY THE WAY, SO WE'RE GONNA SEND YOU DOWN.
THAT WAY WE FELT IT WAS THE A BETTER THING TO GO THIS ROUTE.
SO COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT, BUT STILL SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
ONE INTERESTING ASPECT ALSO OF THIS 12.4 MILLION IS REMEMBER THAT 2.4 OF THAT IS DIRECTLY, UH, BDOT OVERHEAD.
SO THE 12.4 MILLION THAT'S GOING UP 2.4, THAT'S GOING INTO THEIR POCKET, NOT INTO THE CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S SOMETHING, THERE'S A SET PERCENTAGE ON EVERY ESTIMATE.
THAT'S WHY I WANNA SEE NOT CI, WHICH IS CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION.
I REALLY LIKE YOUR POINT ABOUT A GOOD RETURN ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
YOU DON'T WANNA SPEND $2 TO MAKE WINE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT SHOULD COME IN EITHER AND SOMEBODY'S MAKING ONE, THEY'RE ONLY MAKING 50.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON DASHBOARD INTERCHANGE? ALRIGHT, SO ROCKVILLE ROAD SAFETY STUDY.
UM, AS MENTIONED IN JULY, STAFF DID REQUEST BE OUT PERFORM A SAFETY STUDY ON ROCKVILLE ROAD THAT WILL TAKE PLACE FROM ASHLAND ROAD TO THE HANOVER COUNTY LINE.
UH, THE LAST STUDY WAS DONE FOR THE SAME DISTANCE IN 2016.
UM, STAFF HAS REQUESTED WE NOT FOCUS ON A COUPLE OF ISSUES, UH, LINE OF SIGHT ISSUES BASED ON THE EXISTING GEOMETRY OF ROCKVILLE ROAD, UH, SPEEDING.
AND THEN THE ENTRANCE AT TUCKAHOE BRIDGE SECTION TWO.
UH, WHILE THE WHOLE STUDY SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED IN LATE OCTOBER.
UH, VDOT AND ACTUALLY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS WELL DID MAKE, UH, SPEED DATA AVAILABLE TO ME AHEAD OF TIME.
AND THE AVERAGE SPEEDS, UH, ARE ON THE SCREEN.
SO THE AVERAGE SPEED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CAPTURED, WHICH WAS AT ONE LOCATION, ESSENTIALLY AT THE ENTRANCE TO TUCKAHOE BRIDGE, SECTION TWO WAS 42 MILES PER HOUR.
WHERE WAS THAT DONE? UH, WEEK TWO WEEKS AGO? I DON'T KNOW.
UM, THE AVERAGE SPEED THAT VDOT CAPTURED ON ROCKVILLE ROAD ACROSS THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR WITHIN GLAND COUNTY IS 46 MILES AN HOUR.
AND I NOTED THAT 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED ON HERE BECAUSE THAT NUMBER MATTERS BE KNOT'S GOAL IS TO HAVE THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT ON ANY ROAD BE WITHIN FIVE MILES AN HOUR OF THE 85TH PERCENTILE.
SO 85% OF PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THAT ROAD GO THAT SPEED OR SLOWER.
UM, AND THE 85TH PERCENTILE ON ROCKVILLE ROAD IS 50 MILES AN HOUR.
AGAIN, THAT IS FOR THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR, BOTH DIRECTIONS.
SO I THOUGHT THAT DATA WAS ACTUALLY TELLING AND, AND FRANKLY SURPRISING TO ME.
I I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THE AVERAGE SPEEDS WOULD'VE BEEN HIGHER GIVEN A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND ALSO JUST ANECDOTALLY, THE, THE, UH, EXPERIENCES I'VE HAD AS A KID GROWING UP IN THE COUNTY, DRIVING ON ROCKFIELD ROAD.
UM, THE PEAK SPEED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CAPTURED WAS 74, BUT THAT WAS A PRETTY MUCH THE LOAN OUTLIER.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT WAS CAPTURED RIGHT AT THE, UM, THE ENTRANCE TO CHUCK HOOVER RIDGE.
AND THE FULL RESULTS OF THE STUDY WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD ONCE WE DO HAVE THEM.
AGAIN, IT'S SCHEDULED TO BE LATE OCTOBER AND WE WILL LOOK FOR THE MOST CONVENIENT EARLIEST OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THAT TO THE POLICE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ROCKVILLE ROAD IN THE STUDY DATE? OKAY, SO THERE WE GO.
UM, ON ROCKVILLE ROAD AS WELL, UH, STAFF DID RECEIVE ANOTHER CITIZEN EMAIL REGARDING ROCKVILLE ROAD WITH SOME CONCERNS.
UH, THE EMAIL DOES NOTE THAT SCHOOL BUSES WON'T BE STOPPING AT THE ENTRANCE OF VILLE BRIDGE SECTION TWO, DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SAFETY CONCERNS ARE THE SAME SAFETY CONCERNS ABOUT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE GEOMETRY OF ROCKVILLE ROAD AT THE ENTRANCE.
UM, I DO WANT TO, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS A SCHOOL'S ONLY DECISION AND COUNTY STAFF AND V ARE NOT INVOLVED IN WHERE BUS STOPS ARE, ARE NOT LOCATED.
UM, REALLY IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND SCHOOL STAFF WHERE, WHERE THEY FEEL IS IS SAFE AND APPROPRIATE.
AND THEN ALSO NOTED IN THE EMAIL, UH, FROM THE SCHOOLS' TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT THAT GIVEN THE STATE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION BUSES WILL NOT BE ENTERING THE DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME TO PICK UP STUDENTS DUE TO THE FACT THAT DUMPSTERS AND CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES ARE BLOCKING THE TRAVEL WAY AS THEY CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, I DID WANNA JUST BRING THAT UP AND, AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR, OR COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, THIS ALSO TO BE SAID ABOUT IF THEY A ROSA NIGHT IN STATE BEING MAINTAINED BY THE STATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A RULE OR, OR, OR A POLICY.
SIGNS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED ALSO.
AND THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AS TO WHO REQUESTS IT, WHO AUTHORIZES IT AND WHO INSTALLS IT.
UM, I DON'T, I LIVE ON MANNEQUIN.
I HAVE A ACCOUNT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE 26 TIMES BEFORE SATELLITES IN, IN MY PLACE, SO.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE THAT NATURE.
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ONLY ISSUE I THINK WE FACE IS YEAR TO YEAR.THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I THINK THE DEDICATED SIGNAGE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT COMES INTO PLAY.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT ME TO ASK? MY ASSUMPTION IS IT'S A VDOT APPROVED SIGN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE INSTALLERS BUT THE ONES THAT APPROVE THEM AND IT HAS COME UP AS A SOLUTION.
AND PARTICULARLY WITH SOME OF THE LINE OF SIGHT THAT YOU DON'T SEE THAT GIVES SOMEBODY, HEY, THERE'S A BUS STOP AT.
SO LIKE BLIND DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHO, WHO REQUESTS OKAY.
WHO APPROVES AND THEN WHO INSTALLS.
I'M ACTUALLY HOPEFUL TO THE MEETING WITH THEM TOMORROW MORNING JUST TO DISCUSS SOME OTHER THINGS JUST TO SEE WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD ENTAIL.
COULD THERE BE ALMOST, I SEE YOUR POINT ON BUS STOPS AHEAD, BUT BECAUSE IT'S MOVING YEAR TO YEAR.
JUST MAYBE GENERAL POSTINGS AT HALF MILES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ALTHOUGH SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT DOESN'T HOLD US TO CHANGING IT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
'CAUSE I'M SURE THAT'S WHY VDI DOESN'T HAVE THEM ON THE POCKETS OF THE WORLD.
BUT THEY NONETHELESS WOULD MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR, HEY, DON'T EXPECT THIS TO BE A FREEWAY RIGHT.
FROM 7:00 AM TO 9:00 AM RIGHT.
AND THERE MIGHT BE A RANGE ON THAT TOO, YOU KNOW, WITHIN BETWEEN 30 AND, YOU KNOW, 75 FEET FROM A BUS STOP.
SO THE BUS STOP DOES CHANGE AND FALL WITHIN THAT RANGE THEN.
IT'S SOMETHING I CAN AT LEAST REACH OUT, SEE WHAT THE PROCESS, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE PLACES WHERE, YOU KNOW, I ANTICIPATE THE QUESTION WILL BE ASKED MORE THAN ONCE AND I, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR HEAT SHIELD THAT SAYS, WELL HERE'S THE ANSWER, HAPPY TO DO THAT X REQUEST D APPROVES AND C FALLS OR IT'S XXS, WHATEVER.
THE CITIZENS CONCERNS ARE SAFETY.
AND THERE'S A PENDING APPLICATION FROM A DEVELOPER ALONG THAT, UH, AND THE CITIZEN CONCERN MORE SAFETY BECAUSE OF THAT DOES, DOES BI EVER WORK WITH THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPER TO SAY, HAVE WE WORK TOGETHER TO, UM, MAKE THIS SAFE? SO VDOT IS INVOLVED IN ANY REVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES THEMSELVES, WHICH GENERALLY OUTLINES WHAT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE DONE AS A PART OF ANY LAND USE CASE WHEN IT DOES GO TO CONSTRUCTION.
I KNOW IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, VDOT AND THE APPLICANT AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN IN SEVERAL MEETINGS TO DISCUSS POSSIBILITIES TO IMPROVE, UH, I WOULD SAY ACTUAL, UH, ROCKVILLE ROAD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ROCKWELL ROAD? ALRIGHT, SO I'LL MOVE INTO THE GULA TRANSPORTATION PROJECT PRIORITY UPDATE.
UM, AS A REMINDER STRATEGY CONTRACT WITH RK AND K TWO ASSISTANT DEVELOPING A PRIORITY FRAMEWORK.
THIS IS STEP ONE IN DEVELOPING THE CRITERIA FOR THE PRIORITIZATION OF ANY TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
UH, CREATING RANKING CATEGORIES, ASSIGNING WASTE TO THE CATEGORIES AND RK AND K HAS PRESENTED THE REVISED DRAFT CATEGORIES AND WASTE FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND I'M FLIPPING THAT SLIDE RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO THE BENEFIT SCORING CRITERIA IS BROKEN DOWN OUT OF A HUNDRED.
SAFETY IS 35% OF ANY SCORE CONGESTION, 25, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 25 AND MULTIMODAL ACCESSIBILITY 15% PREVIOUSLY IN JULY.
I DID PRESENT, UM, CATEGORIES OF COST EFFECTIVENESS AND READINESS.
THEY WERE THROUGH THE CONVERSATION WE HAD IN THAT WORKSHOP COMBINED INTO MORE OF A READINESS PRIORITIZATION CATEGORY.
AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THINGS LIKE COST EFFECTIVENESS, THE STAGE OF THE PROJECT, WHAT FUNDING SOURCES MIGHT BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, AS WELL AS ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
UH, THAT COMES UP REALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FEDERAL DOLLARS.
YOU WANNA MAKE, MAKE NOTE OF ANY, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL PITFALLS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, UH, IN THIS CATEGORY REALLY WILL ALLOW MORE OF A SUBJECTIVE PRIORITIZATION OF THE PROJECTS.
AND I DO HAVE AN EXAMPLE ON THE SCREEN.
THAT PROJECT A IS RANKED FOURTH OUT OF THE PURE BENEFITS SCORE AT THE TOP, BUT IT HAS AN EXTREMELY HIGH COST.
PROJECT B IS RANKED EIGHTH IN THE PURE BENEFIT SCORE, BUT DOES SOLVE A PRIORITY SAFETY NEED AND IS RELATIVELY LOW COST, UH, WITH THE READINESS PRIORITIZATION THAT WE CAN, UM, PRETTY MUCH PUT ON A PROJECT THAT PROJECT B CAN BE PRIORITIZED OVER PROJECT A BECAUSE OF ITS COST EFFECTIVENESS.
REALLY IT ALLOWS THE SUBJECTIVENESS THAT THE BOARD OR STAFF OR WHOEVER CAN LOOK AT THE LIST AND SAY, YEAH, THEY'RE RANKED EMPIRICALLY ACCORDING TO THE BENEFIT SCORE.
BUT WE REALLY THINK PROJECT A OR PROJECT B IS A MUCH MORE HIGH PRIORITY BECAUSE OF IT'S LOW COST AND IT'S SOLVING A, A KNOWN SAFETY PROBLEM.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WILL ALLOW THE BOARD, AGAIN, THAT FLEXIBILITY TO SET THE PRIORITIES NOT ONLY BASED ON THE SCORE, BUT ALSO WHAT WHAT THE FEEDBACK IS.
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ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SCORING CRITERIA AND THE MINUS WHAT THEY WERE.SO TAKE 5% OFF OF EACH ONE IS WHAT THEY WERE AND THAT THE 20% WAS TAKEN FROM THE EFFECTIVENESS AND READINESS CATEGORY OR CATEGORIES AND, UM, PUT ON EACH ONE OF THOSE.
AND THEN AGAIN, WE KIND OF MADE THE, THERE'S THE OBJECTIVE BENEFIT SCORING AND THE SUBJECTIVE READINESS PRIORITIZATION AT THE BOTTOM IS REALLY HOW IT BREAKS OUT.
SO EVEN SO IF I LIKE YOUR EXAMPLE, IT MAKES SENSE, BUT LET'S JUST SAY MM-HMM
BUT THEN WE WOULD USE THAT SUBJECTIVE RIGHT TO ADJUST.
I MEAN IF I DON'T THINK WE EVER WANT TO GO, I THINK WE DO WANT TO STRESS THE SCORING DOES HAVE, WE WANT TO GIVE THE SCORING CREDENCE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT REALLY STRESS, LIKE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A'S AND C'S GETTING ADJUSTED OFF OF SUBJECTIVITY.
BUT IF WE'RE IN, YOU KNOW, IN THAT REALM IN A TIGHTER WINDOW RIGHT, THAT IS WHEN THAT SUBJECT SUBJECTIVITY COMES IN.
AND PART OF IT REALLY IS ALSO THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE BECAUSE PROJECT B MAY ONLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR SMART SCALE, WHICH IS ONCE EVERY OTHER YEAR, BUT PROJECT A OR C MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR SEVERAL POTS, WHICH COME ABOUT EVERY YEAR.
SO IT ALSO PROVIDES THAT DISCRETION AS WELL THAT, WELL WHY ARE WE CHASING THE EIGHTH RANK TO OF THE SECOND RANKED? WELL WE, WE CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THAT POT OF MONEY.
SO WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO CHASE THE MONEY THAT IS IN FRONT OF US.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? WHO DO WE GIVE CREDIT FOR COMING UP WITH THIS? UM, REALLY RK AND K.
THEY, THEY WERE ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER ALL THAT FRAMEWORK AND EVERYTHING.
CONSULTANT, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A CLUTTER.
I I LIKE THE, THE WAY THAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
IMAGINING AND BASED ON CONVERSATIONS AND EMAILS IN THE PAST MM-HMM
UM, DOES THAT REALLY JUST KIND OF SKEW EVERYTHING AND JUST BECOMES IN A SAFETY RANKING IF, IF AT SOME POINT YOU CAN OVERWEIGHT SOMETHING TO WHERE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE OTHER RATINGS COME IN THERE IS THAT CONCERN AND OVERALL REALLY THESE, AS FAR AS THE RELATIVE SCORING FROM ONE BENEFIT CATEGORY TO ANOTHER, WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, SAFETY AND CONGESTION ARE 10 POINTS APART AND SO ON.
THAT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE FUNDING POTS LOOK LIKE.
CREATES MORE CARS, MORE ACCIDENTS.
UM, THE ONE, THE REASON WHY WE KIND OF PULLED TOGETHER THE CRITERIA THE WAY THEY ARE IS, IS REALLY BASED ON SMART SCALE, WHICH IS THE BIG FUNDING POT THAT WE HAVE THE, UM, ACCESS OF THE MOST MONEY THROUGH.
UM, SAFETY ISN'T 50% THROUGH THAT.
I BELIEVE IT'S ONLY 30 OR 35 TOTAL PERCENT PERCENTAGE POINTS THROUGH SMART SCALE.
AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU, WE WANT OUR CRITERIA TO RANK THE PROJECT SIMILARLY TO HOW THE STATE ESSENTIALLY WOULD RANK THEM BECAUSE THAT WAY WE HOPE THEY WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL.
WE DON'T WANNA HAVE A PROJECT WITH 75% SAFETY SCORING OR 50% SAFETY SCORING AND THEN FLUB OUT IN EVERY FUNDING CATEGORY.
'CAUSE WE DIDN'T TAKE ANYTHING ELSE INTO CONSIDERATION.
THAT'S WHY I'M ANTICIPATING CONVERSATIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CATEGORIES, AWAITS GOOD WORK.
AND THEN AS A REMINDER, THE UM, TIMELINE FOR THIS PROJECT COMPLETION IS THROUGH THE FALL, UH, WHICH I'M HARD TO BELIEVE WE ARE NOW THOROUGHLY IN THE FALL OF 24, UH, STAFF IN RK AND K WILL USE THE CRITERIA TO RANK THE PROJECTS.
AND THEN IN DECEMBER WE'RE GONNA PRESENT THE DRAFT PRIORITY LIST TO THE BOARD, WHICH TODAY IS 30 OR 35 TOTAL IDENTIFY TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY.
WHETHER THAT'S OUT OF THE A MP OR THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR THIS IAR OR WHATEVER HAVE YOU.
IT'S UM, THAT'S TO DATE I BELIEVE ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH SOME SORT OF STUDY IN THE COUNTY.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE CONVERSATION IN DECEMBER AND ANY FEEDBACK WILL BE OBVIOUSLY REALLY APPRECIATED AT THAT POINT.
MARCH 25 WILL ESSENTIALLY BE PRESENTING THE FINAL LIST FOR CONSIDERATION AND THEN FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES IT BECOMES THE PRIORITY LIST MOVING FORWARD.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO VERMONT TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A FLUID LIST.
UH, WE SAY WE'RE ONE LAND USE CASE AWAY FROM A NEW PRIORITY.
UM, ASHLEY ROAD INTERCHANGE WAS A PRIORITY FOR MANY YEARS.
IT WOULD BECOME THE ONLY PRIORITY WHEN PROJECT ROCKY, UH, WAS SUCCESSFULLY GETTING THEIR REZONING.
UM, AND THIS TIMELINE ALSO SETS UP FOR THE FALL OF 2025 APPLICATIONS FOR FUNDING.
REALLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO ROLL RIGHT FROM THE MARCH WORKSHOP, TAKING THOSE PRIORITIES AND THEN BUILDING OUT OUR APPLICATION LIST FOR THE FALL OF 25 FOR THE SPRING OF 26 AND SO ON.
SO THAT'S REALLY SETTING US UP IN A GOOD TIME.
UM, HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE OR NOT FIND THIS SO FAR ALONG THAT IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOSH, THIS, THIS IS, THIS DOG
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DON'T HUNT.I MEAN HOW DO WE ENGAGE THE CITIZENS, THE PEOPLE WE WORK FOR? SO MY GOAL IS FOR THE UM, OBVIOUSLY THE PRESENTATION IN DECEMBER, UH, IN FRONT OF THE BOARD WILL BE THE INITIAL BLUSH AND, AND INITIAL, UH, FEEDBACK SOUGHT AT THAT POINT, WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO POST THE LIST ON THE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION WEBSITE AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE SOLICITING, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SOLICIT ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS THAT WE RECEIVED IN THE MONTHS THAT FOLLOW PRIOR TO MARCH OF 25.
AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER MORE IN DEPTH CONVERSATION IN MARCH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D BE WILLING TO DO AS WELL.
AS FAR AS KIND OF DISCERNING SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I THINK WOULD MAKE SENSE TO MAYBE WRAP INTO THAT, UH, FINAL PRESENTATION IF YOU WILL IN MARCH.
I'M THINKING, UH, DISTRICT FIVE TOWN HALL IS THE 3RD OF OCTOBER.
IS THAT A THURSDAY? THAT THURSDAY'S A THURSDAY, YES.
MEMORIZ THIS TOWN HALL IS, YEAH.
UH, WOULD IT EVEN MENTIONING OR TOUCHING ON THIS BEING APPROPRIATE OR WOULD THAT BE UM, SURE, TOTALLY.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN GO INTO THE BRIAR PATCH TAKES THREE MONTHS BETWEEN HAPPEN WHEN WORKSHOPS ARE, WELL NO
I JUST WANT, UM, IT FELT NATURAL TO HAVE 'EM AT THE WORKSHOPS.
I MEAN, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONSIDER PRESENTING THE FINAL LIST SOONER THAN MARCH.
WHETHER IT'S WORKSHOP, BOARD HEARING, REALLY IT'S, IT'S WHEN WE HOLD THESE WORKSHOPS OR WHEN I PLAN ON PRESENTING THESE 'CAUSE IT IS MORE OF AN INFORMAL SETTING RATHER THAN PRESENTING FROM THE DI OR UM, FROM THE PODIUM TO THE BOARD AT THE DI.
IF, IF WE DID, EVEN IF WE DID PULL IT UP, WOULD THAT CHANGE OUR CADENCE OF APPLICATIONS FOR ANYTHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON? NO.
REALLY IT WOULD JUST GIVE US ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO BETWEEN THAT AND THE FALL 2025 APPLICATIONS.
'CAUSE CBTA ISS THE ONLY APPLICATION OPEN AND IT OPENS SEPTEMBER OF 25.
SO THERE'S NOT MUCH FOR US TO PUSH TOWARDS.
THERE'S NO, AND AND, AND THE MARCH TIMEFRAME ISN'T STRETCHING IT AS FAR AS US STRUGGLING TO GET THOSE APPLICATIONS IN.
I DON'T WANNA PUT ANY MORE ON YOU THAN YOU'VE ALREADY GOT.
DAYS GO INTO WEEKS AND WEEKS GOING INTO MONTHS SOMETIMES.
YOUR DESIRE TO MAKE GOVERNMENT MORE EFFICIENT IS KNOWN AS VICE CHAIR
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECT PRIORITY PROCESS? ALRIGHT, UM, WITH THAT, THAT'S THE WORKSHOP I ANTICIPATED A LITTLE MORE CONVERSATION ON A FEW OF THE TOPICS, BUT, UM, ALRIGHT.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING THE BOARD WOULD LIKE ME TO COVER IN THE NEXT WORKSHOP BESIDES THE, UM, PRIORITIZATION? ONE THING THAT SORT MY INTENT WENT UP ON, YOU SAID THE FUNDING ON THE DOUBLE DIAMOND? YES.
UM, YOU SAID IF THEY DON'T PULL THE PLUG OR SOMETHING UNTIL IT'S GOT THE RUBBER STAMP PROPERTY OR UN UNTIL IT'S GOT THE RUBBER STAMP BY HW I'VE LEARNED TO NOT COUNT MY CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HASH KIND OF THING.
CITIZENS DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ALL DONE FOR THE INTERCHANGE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I I WON'T BELIEVE IT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE REPORT STAMPED AND OFFICIALLY IMPROVED DETECT ANY REAL CONCERN.
THEY FHWA WAS ON THE LAST CALL THAT I WAS ON WITH THE ENTIRE FEED I TEAM.
UM, THEY AB THEY RAISED ABSOLUTELY NO CONCERNS AND GENERALLY WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE BENNINGTON ROSARY ALIGNMENT AS WELL.
SO YES, I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO A FULL DESCRIPTION, BUT CAN YOU, CAN YOU GIVE A BRIEF SUMMARY OF SEEK FUNDS FROM ANY CDK TA ISSUED BONDS? YEAH, SO SO IF THEY WERE DOING A BROADER BOND ISSUANCE, WE WOULD BE A PART OF THAT.
SO THAT THEY WOULD GET THE SCOPE, THE SIZE AND SCALE THEY NEED TO TAKE IT TO MARKET.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TAKE FROM THEIR PRICING THAT'S VERY MUCH UNDERWAY.
NOW I, IT'S MY ASSUMPTION THAT IT WILL PROBABLY BE A, A CALL FOR PROJECTS AND REGARDING A BOND SOMETIME NEXT YEAR IF EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO SOMEBODY'S PLAN.
UM, WELL I GUESS YOU'RE CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE NOW, SO MAYBE THE PLANS WILL CHANGE, BUT, UM, BUT THAT ALLOWS US TO HIT CONGRATULATIONS.
THAT ALLOWS US TO HIT MARKET MORE QUICKLY IF NEEDED.
I THINK THAT'S A MORE EFFICIENT THAN US ISSUING IT BY OURSELVES.
SO, AND YEAH, SO WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT IS, SO, UH, C APPARENTLY, AND YOU PROBABLY CAN SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I CAN, UM, BUT WHAT CBTA AS A, AS AN ORGANIZATION HAS TO GO IN FRONT OF COURTS AND HAVE TO, IT HAS TO BE ALMOST VETTED.
WE'VE DUMBED IT DOWN TO SAY YOU GOTTA GO TO FOR PRE-APPROVAL, BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S NOT A BANK, IT'S THE COURTS.
SO THE DECISION IN FRONT OF THE CCBT RIGHT NOW IS, DO WE EVEN WANT TO DO THAT? SO THERE'S SOME THAT SAY, YES, WE DO WANT TO, IN CASE WE NEEDED TO, WE WANT TO BE READY TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE WHATEVER WE NEED TO UNDER WHATEVER STRUCTURE WE COME UP WITH.
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BUT THEN THERE'S OTHERS SAY, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THAT.SO IT'S, AND THAT IS THE NEXT STEP IN OUTCOME, THE DETERMINATION ON THAT.
BUT YES, IT CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD WHERE IF THEY DO NEED TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA OFFER BONDING, DOESN'T, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO, IF THEY WANT TO, UH, BENEFIT FROM THE CB DA'S UH, EXISTENCE FROM THAT, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE CONTRIBUTING JURISDICTIONS.
YEAH, AND IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WELL BECAUSE IF THAT 12.4 DOES DOUBLE AND TURNS INTO 25, THAT MIGHT BE OUT OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY FOR LOCAL FUNDS, PROFFERS AND ANY GENERAL FUND DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO COVER CERTAINLY.
HOW, HOW REALISTIC NOT OPTIM
SO THERE ARE, I MEAN I WOULD JUST STRESS THIS, THERE ARE OTHER BENEFITS TO THESE REGIONAL, THESE REGIONAL COOPERATIVES THAN JUST HARD, YOU KNOW, UH, SINGLE ALLOCATIONS THAT WE GET, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR THE FUNDS THAT ISSUED IN A BOND, BUT WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT STRENGTH OF A REGIONAL ENTITY TO MAKE IT BE AN ISSUER.
I'LL I'LL TAKE THE TIME NOW TO SHARE.
UM, STAFF, UM, MR. CARPENTER LED AN EFFORT TO, UM, PUT TOGETHER A WHITE PAPER FOR BONDING SPECIFICALLY WITH CBTA.
UM, WE VETTED IT WITH, OH, WE HAVEN'T VETTED WITH MR. PARKS.
WE WENT DOWN AND TALKED TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO GET SOME MORE UNDERSTANDING.
WE'RE MAKING SOME UPDATES TO THAT WITH THE INTENT OF SHARING IT WITH THIS BOARD AND TO COME UP WITH A, HEY, I THINK MR. CARMAN DID A GREAT JOB OUTLINING THE PROS AND CONS AND SORT OF AN APPROACH.
ONCE WE AGREE ON OUR APPROACH, THEN I THINK, UM, MY GOAL WILL BE TO SHOP IT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, OTHER JURISDICTIONS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT MAY NOT BENEFIT SPECIFICALLY FROM A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF BONDING AA, THE SMALLS.
SO ONCE WE KINDA GET THAT, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT RELATIVELY SOON.
AND WITH RESPECT TO THE LOCAL OPTIONS, THOSE THREE LITTLE WORDS ISSUE A BOND.
THERE'S A BIG PROCESS TIMELINE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT HAS TO BE A GENERAL OBLIGATION OF BOND COUNTY REFERENDUM PROCESS AND, AND ALSO COURSE HAS TO BE THE FUNDING, THE DEBT.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT BEHIND THOSE THREE LITTLE WORDS.
IT SEEMS SO SIMPLE THOUGH, CAROL, UNDER THE LOCAL OPTIONS, NOT THE CTA.
THAT'S WHY IT REALLY IS A DRAMATIC SPEED DIFFERENCE TO PIGGYBACK ON THE CDTA VERSUS THE LOCAL OFFICER.
WHAT'S THEY GOT? AUTHORITY, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S A WEIRD PROCESS 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN GRANTED THE AUTHORITY BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, BUT YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH THIS LIKE, ALMOST VETTING PROCESS, MEASURE TWICE.
ANY OTHER, UM, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON ANYTHING? TRANSFORMATION? I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE EAST END TRAIL.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S IN A HOLDING PATTERN.
UH, MR. CARPENTER, YOU WANNA TOUCH ON ANY SURE.
WE'VE, UM, UH, AFTER THE, UM, LAST DISCUSSION WHEN FUNDS WERE REALLOCATED TO THE SIDEWALK AND, UH, WE, UH, VERY CLEARLY HEARD YOUR DESIRE THAT, UM, WE EITHER, UM, DO THIS TRAIL OR, YOU KNOW, NOT DO IT.
AND, AND, AND SO WE'RE WILLING TO FOCUS ON THAT, BUT ALSO, UH, ANOTHER REQUEST OF JUST TRAILS IN GENERAL IN THE COUNTY.
SO I HAD A MEETING WITH, UM, LANDOWNERS ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, AND, AND DISCUSSED THIS WITH THEM.
UM, THIS REALLY IS A CONVERSATION THAT STARTED YEARS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, ANY OF US WERE OUT IN THE ROOM, EVEN MORE
BUT THE, THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY FROM THE MEETING WAS THAT THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN, UM, TRYING TO GET A TRAIL SYSTEM GOING AGAIN, UM, AND, AND TO TRY TO, TO, TO MAKE IT WORK.
AND SO WE, IT WAS A VERY POSITIVE MEETING, UM, WITH THEM.
AND SO, UH, WITH THE GOAL BEING AS I TOLD THEM THAT, THAT BOARDMAN JUST SAID THAT THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING SOMETHING, UH, GET DONE THAT HAS BEEN PROMISED FOR WELL OVER 12 YEARS NOW.
AND CAN WE COME UP WITH SOME PLAN THAT WILL WORK? UM, WE BELIEVE THE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE TO US THROUGH, THROUGH FUNDS WE ALREADY HAVE AVAILABLE TO US EITHER PROPER MONEY OR, OR, UH, FROM LOCAL FUNDS.
SO, SO THAT RULE IS NOT THE ENTRANCE.
IT'S GETTING ACCESS TO THE LAND AND, AND GETTING THEM COMFORTABLE TO ALLOW US TO ACCESS IT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
IS THIS WEST CREEK LANDOWNER? UH, YES SIR.
AT LEAST FOR A STARTING POINT INITIALLY.
AND FOLLOWING THE VICE CHAIR'S INTEREST IN MAKING GOVERNMENT MORE EFFICIENT, IS THERE ANY
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OPTIMISTIC OR REALISTIC TIMETABLE THAT WE MIGHT ASSIGN TO THIS? IS THIS THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR THE NEXT SIX YEARS? THIS LEGAL ISSUE FROM THE LANDOWNER HAS BEEN THE EXACT SAME FOR THE ENTIRE SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS OF MY, AND IT HAS NOT CHANGED OR MADE ANY PROGRESS.SO THAT'S WHY MY QUESTION WAS, IS THERE ANY, BASED ON RECENT DEVELOPMENTS OR CONVERSATIONS, IF, IF NOTHING HAS CHANGED OTHER THAN WE THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT IS THIS, DO WE JUST PUT A STAKE? I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TIME IS VALUABLE.
LET'S NOT PURSUE SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO.
IF I MAY, I KNOW THAT THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS LOOKING FULLY STAFFED AND, UH, COMING UP AND THEY WOULD BE BETTER ABLE TO LOOK AT THEIR WORKFLOW AND GIMME AN IDEA FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE WHAT THE TIMEFRAMES MIGHT BE FROM WHERE THEY SIT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE THERE'S ANYTHING FOR ME TO DO.
WE, WE GAVE OUR LEGAL ADVICE SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS AGO AND THE LANDOWNERS HAVE NEVER BEEN ACCEPTING OF IT OR WILLING TO CHANGE THEIR STANCE.
THERE'S NOTHING SITTING FOR ME TO DO NOTHING.
AND, AND I DON'T HAVE A REQUEST, SIX REQUEST OR ANYTHING TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
ALRIGHT, SO IT WOULD BE, I'M GONNA, TRYING TO INTERPRET HERE.
SO THE LANDOWNER WOULD NEED TO BE AMENABLE TO WHAT THE LAW IS.
IS THAT A GOOD WAY OF PHRASING IT OR NOT? THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD PHRASE IT.
WAY WE CAN RESUBMIT THAT LEGAL ADVICE IN CASE THEY FORGOT.
I WOULD SAY SIX MONTHS SHOULD BE ENOUGH TIME FOR THEM TO TELL US IF, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO DO IT OR NOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY.
UH, ANY CITIZENS IN ATTENDANCE HAVE QUESTIONS?
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WE, WE TRUST THAT Y'ALL CAN DECIDE TO GO AHEAD.UM, ANDY WINGER, I RECENTLY MOVED IN TUCK HILL BRIDGE SECTION TWO, UM, THE BUS STOP.
AH, UM,
I THINK I JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE FIRST WITH SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN.
I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER FAMILY MIGHT GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOL.
WE'RE CURRENTLY DRIVING DOWN TO ST.
MATTHEW'S LANE BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION AND PARKING ON THE DEAD END THERE.
AND IT'S LIKE, AT WHAT POINT DO TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN THERE? MY KIDS ARE FIVE AND SIX, WE'RE DRIVING DOWN THERE.
IF THERE'S A JUNIOR, ARE THEY WALKING NOW UP AND DOWN ROCKVILLE ROAD? NO.
LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UM, EVERYTHING I HEAR THE SIGN THING THAT 70 MILE AN HOUR CAR THAT SIGN, LIKE IT
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT CAME BACK FROM THE COUNTY WAS WITH THE RESTRICTED, OR THE SCHOOLS, NOT THE COUNTY, SORRY, WAS WITH THE RESTRICTED LEFT TURN.
NOW THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT BUS ROUTING.
IT WASN'T EVEN SO MUCH LIKE AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION'S DONE, IT'S LIKE, WELL NOW WE CAN ONLY COME IN ONE WAY AND GO OUT ONE WAY.
UM, MY BIGGER THING IS I HEAR THE SCHOOLS, TO ME IT'S ALL ONE COUNTY ORGANIZATION.
THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT ALREADY GOING IN ABOVE, THERE'S REZONING BELOW.
HOW ARE WE GONNA FIX IT AND NOT END UP WITH WHATEVER IT IS, 150 HOUSES THAT ARE DRIVING DOWN TO ST.
MATTHEW'S LANE? I, I DON'T KNOW.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE THE CUL-DE-SAC.
I KNOW IT PROBABLY MEANS TO BE YOU DON'T REQUIRED 'EM FOR SCHOOL BUS, BUT IF THE SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTY AREN'T LINED OF LIKE WHAT THEY'RE SEEING, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT ULTIMATELY HEDGES OUT.
LIKE SCHOOL BUSES AND CUL-DE-SAC.
IT'S BIG ENOUGH, BUT THE DRIVERS AREN'T A HUGE FAN OF IT, SO, UM, I KNOW I'M NOT GONNA GET A RESOLUTION, BUT I SEE THE PROBLEM CONTINUING.
I THINK I'M JUST THE FIRST OF 49, SO THANK YOU.
MAN, I APPLAUD, UH, MY NEIGHBOR.
UM, UH, UH, WE WERE ASKED TO DO A WORKSHOP FOR, UH, THE COMMUNITY, UH, ON AUGUST THE 14TH.
UH, IT HAD ROUGHLY 30 OF THE NEIGHBORS FROM TUCKAHOE BRIDGE.
UH, IT WAS ROB WILLIAMSON, UH, PAUL COSTELLO AND MYSELF.
THEY HAD NO IDEA ABOUT HIGHFIELD.
THEY HAD NO IDEA ABOUT, UM, UH, THE, UH, PRE-APPLICATION.
UH, AND THEY HAD NO, UH, FOR THE, UH, GOLF COURSE AND THEY WERE BLOWN AWAY BY ROB WILLIAMSON'S PRESENTATION OF INFORMATION THAT WE WERE GIVEN
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FROM THE, UH, PLANNING.UM, WE REFER NOT TO, NOT TO WEIGH INTO ANYTHING, BUT ONLY BE PRESENTING THE FACTS.
I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH THAT I WAS ABLE TO GET A GIS MAP THAT GAVE THEM A CLEAR VISION OF, OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT STAGES THEY'RE IN.
AS I SAID FOR THIS GENTLEMAN, UM, THERE WAS A FAMILY, I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS THE FAMILY, BUT THERE WAS A FAMILY THAT WAS OVER AT, UM, AT ANGIE FOWLS HOUSE.
WHEN YOU SEE A VISUAL OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND YOU SEE WHAT'S WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED AND WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, IT GIVES THEM A SNAPSHOT OF IT THAT'S CLEAR AND PRECISE.
I, MY JOB IS NOT TO FIGHT WITH THE COUNTY OVER ANYTHING.
I JUST FEEL THAT WE ARE MISSING THE BOAT WITH ALLOWING THESE CITIZENS, EVEN NEWER CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED, WHAT'S ALREADY ZONED THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT THEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING AWAY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ROCKVILLE ROAD.
ROCKVILLE ROAD HAS LIKE EIGHT CROSSES ON IT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES.
GRADUATE HASN'T BEEN RECENT, BUT WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF ISSUES RIGHT THERE AT THE TUCKAHOE BRIDGE, UM, ENTRANCE THAT DATE BACK TO UM, LIKE MARCH.
THE, UH, YOU UH, UH, THE RECORDS SHOW THAT THERE WAS, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY THERE.
NOW WE HAVE, WE HAVE I THINK WHAT 12 OF YOUR NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY MOVED IN.
WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT 49 HOMES AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW, I AM HOPING THAT ROCKVILLE ROAD WILL SOMEHOW GET ELEVATED, UH, UH, TO GET SOME IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE MR. BENT HAS TO MAKE ANY MORE WHITE CROSSES BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT I AM HEARING FROM, UM, AND NOW IT'S NOT ONLY MY ROCK, MY MY MANNEQUIN ROAD, PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW FEEL LIKE THEY'RE, UM, GETTING HURT BECAUSE NOW IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE WHO WOULD'VE TAKEN ROCKVILLE ROAD ARE NOW, UM, CUTTING THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED, UM, UH, ECHO MEADOWS TO, TO GET TO MANNEQUIN ROAD.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS GRACEFULLY GIVEN US, UM, DATA.
THEY, THEY, THEY PUT A, A WAY TO TRACK IT.
I'M HOPING, I'M VERY THANKFUL TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR DOING THAT.
THAT WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE VOLUME THERE AND THE SPEED.
IT DOESN'T TELL WHAT THE CAR IS OR ANYTHING.
IT DOESN'T REPORT ANY OF THAT.
I'M BE INTERESTING TO SEE IT BECAUSE WHAT I'VE BEEN HOLD, UH, TOLD BY, BY, UH, THE NEXT DOOR PEOPLE WHO, WHO HAVE ENGAGED WITH ME, THAT THE ONES WHO LIVE ON ROCKVILLE ROAD ARE GOING PONZA TRACK.
UM, IF THEY'RE CLOSE TO PONANT TRACK, PONANT TRACK TO DOGWOOD TRAIL, TO TO MANNEQUIN ROAD BECAUSE MANNEQUIN ROAD HAS A LIGHT, A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE END.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I AM LOUISE THOMPSON, UM, WITH DO LIVE IN GOEN COUNTY.
UM, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING CRITICAL TO SAY.
I GUESS IT'S MY, UM, INEXPERIENCE IN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS, WHICH IS MY FAULT.
UM, THE FAIRGROUND ROAD SPEED LIMIT MILES PER HOUR, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S COMING UP WITH VDOT? IS THERE ANY PROGRESS AT ALL ON THAT? THERE WAS A STUDY THAT WAS DONE.
UM, IT, IT DID NOT RECOMMEND LOWERING.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE PUBLIC CAN DO OR PEOPLE CAN DO TO GET THEIR ATTENTION ON THAT?
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I DON'T KNOW ABOUT AN ANSWER FOR THAT AS WELL.THERE ARE FROM THAT STUDY, THERE WERE SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING TO POTENTIALLY MAKE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ON THERE.
UM, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE'VE HAD, I THINK SOMEBODY SAID TODAY, LOWERING SPEED.
WE HAVE LOWERING SPEED IS JUST EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.
UM, BUT, BUT THINGS LIKE THE, UH, MAINTENANCE ROAD, MAINTENANCE OF FAIRGROUNDS, INTERSECTIONS, SOME SIGNAGE, SOME STRIPING, UM, WE, THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE, THE LIST AND THE PRIORITIZATION THAT, UM,
AND ONE OTHER QUESTION ON THE DIVERGENT DIAMOND.
THE PARK AND RIDE THAT'S THERE NOW THAT POSSIBLY WILL BE USED FOR STAGING, DOES THAT GET MOVED ANYWHERE ELSE OR ENLARGED OR WHILE THEY'RE STAGING, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT ONE BEING USED? SO IT, IT WILL BE RELOCATED AND ULTIMATELY DOUBLED IN SIZE APPROXIMATELY WHERE THAT RIGHT WHITE RECTANGLE IS, UH, IT'S GONNA BE 200 OR SO TOTAL SPACES, CURB AND CUTTER A FULLY, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A FULLY BUILT OUT BRAND NEW PARKING LOT RATHER THAN THE PARKING LOT THAT WE HAVE NOW AND MR. GO THAT WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO ANY, ANY DI COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROJECT THAT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE.
THEY WERE GONNA PLAN TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE TIGHT TURN, TRYING TO TURN AROUND THERE WITH A EIGHT FOOT TRUCK.
JUST SO THEY HAVE A ORIENTATION AS WELL.
THAT'S THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE INTER, SO YEAH.
ANY OTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS? THIS ONE? NO, THANK Y'ALL.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
YES, A FOLLOW UP TO MR. MOORES THIS, IS THERE ANOTHER DATA STUDY THAT WE'RE AWARE OF FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR WAS THAT WHAT WE JUST WHAT WE ALREADY WENT OVER TODAY? THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I WAS AWARE OF.
UM, AND IT REALLY WAS LESS OF A STUDY, MORE OF JUST GOOD DATA POINTS THAT THE SHERIFF IS SHARING WITH US AT OUR REQUEST.
I KNOW WE WERE IN THE, BUT IT'S, HE, HE'S DOING IT OVER TIME.
JUST GOT THE, THEY JUST GOT THE UNIT TO CAPTURE IT.
SO THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN OVER TIME.
YEAH, WELL IT'S, IT'S RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, AND THEN IT'S FINISHED.
YOU UNFORTUNATELY I'M THE COURT.
THANK YOU AUSTIN AND ALL THAT INVOLVED.
AND WE WILL ADJOURN TO THE 4:00 PM UH, GENERAL BOARD OF SUPERVISOR COMMITTEE.