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I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE DECEMBER 3RD, 2024 MEETING OF THE GLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.UH, FIRST WE WILL HAVE, WE, UH, WE WILL NOW HEAR OUR INVOCATION FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
THE INVOCATION WILL BE DELIVERED BY PASTOR DAVE NELSON OF SMYRNA BAPTIST CHURCH.
MR. NELSON, PLEASE STAND AS YOU ARE ABLE, DANE, THAT WE DO THIS BY OURSELVES, BUT THAT WE LOOK TO YOU FOR WISDOM AND FOR UNDERSTANDING.
WE CERTAINLY PRAY FOR THAT RIGHT NOW.
FOR ALL OF THESE WHO ARE SUPERVISORS AND THOSE WHO ARE BRINGING ISSUES BEFORE THIS GROUP.
BLESS THEM IN THEIR WORK, NOT ONLY THIS DAY, BUT ALL DURING THE MONTH AND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
WE THANK YOU THAT WE ARE NOT ALONE IN ALL OF THIS, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME HERE AND JUST HOPE THAT WE'LL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS THAT
[II. Invocation]
WILL AFFECT PEOPLE IN A GOOD WAY, AND DO THAT BY OURSELVES.WE LOOK TO YOU AND LOOK TO YOU FOR GRACE TO HELP US DURING THESE DAYS, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE HOLIDAYS AROUND WHEN THE REMINDERS ARE ALL THERE.
UH, WE PRAY THAT PERHAPS THIS YEAR, EVEN MORE THAN BEFORE, WE WILL REALIZE THAT YOU CAME INTO THIS WORLD TO SAVE SINNERS, AND THAT WE FIT INTO THAT CATEGORY QUITE NICELY.
WE PRAY YOUR BLESSING UPON US NOW AND ALL THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE HERE IN THIS ROOM, AND WE PRAY THIS IN THE ONLY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
PLEASE JOIN ME AS WE HONOR OUR COUNTRY
[III. Pledge of Allegiance]
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.[IV. Chair's Comments]
THANK YOU, PASTOR NELSON AND, UH, VICE CHAIR WINFREY.WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO CHAIR COMMENTS.
UM, AS ONE THING THAT IS CLEAR, UM, AS WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW, IS THAT WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF BUS BUDGET SEASON COMING UP.
UM, AND THAT IS AN EXCITING TIME IN GLAND.
WE JUST FINISHED A FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING, AND THOSE, UH, THAT MEETING IS AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE, UH, IF YOU MISSED IT.
BUT ONE THING I CAN STRESS IS, UM, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME, YOU KNOW, DIFFICULT DECISIONS AS ALWAYS IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT'S AN AWESOME THING TO BE IN A POSITION OF SUCH FISCAL STRENGTH AS WE ARE WITH, UH, TRIPLE, TRIPLE BOND RATING.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY BEING ABLE TO PUT ALL THE NEEDS OF OUR CITIZENS FIRST BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN SO FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
I KNOW A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES AND STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS ESPECIALLY CANNOT SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, IT'S A LOT OF WORK THANKS TO ALL OUR DEPARTMENTS AND ALL THOSE LEADING THE CHARGE.
AND, UH, MY FELLOW SUPERVISORS, AND WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, SESSIONS, UH, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IN THE COMING MONTHS.
SO, UH, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS, HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE REACH OUT TO YOUR SUPERVISORS OR COUNTY STAFF, AND, UM, OVER THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, WE WILL PUT TOGETHER WHAT HOPEFULLY IS AN OUTSTANDING 20 25, 20 26 FISCAL BUDGET THAT, OF COURSE WILL BE BALANCED AS WE HAVE BEEN, UH, PRUDENT TO DO SO.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE CHAIR'S COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.
I'LL MOVE ON TO, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S COMMENTS.
[V. County Administrator's Comments]
ONE REMINDER, THIS COMING FRIDAY AT SIX 30, WE HAVE THE ANNUAL CHRISTMAS[County Tree Lighting & Holiday Celebration - Friday, December 6, 2024, 6:30PM – 8:30PM, NAPA Field, Santa Calling on December 12.]
TREE LIGHTING IN NAPA FIELD.THAT'S BY THE LOWER LOT, UH, ACROSS FROM THE ROUNDABOUT.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET THERE EARLY.
FAMILY FRIENDLY, UH, A LOT OF NEAT THINGS GOING ON THERE.
SANTA AND MISS SANTA WILL ARRIVE AS WELL.
THANKS, UH, COURTESY OF OUR STATION FIVE.
SO AGAIN, WE'LL SEE EVERYBODY AT, UH, SIX 30 ON FRIDAY NIGHT.
UM, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO REQUEST TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEMS
[VI. Request to Postpone Agenda Items and Additions, Deletions or Changes in the Order of Presentation]
IN ADDITION SOLUTIONS OR CHANGES IN THE ORDER OF PRESENTATION.I KNOW WE HAVE ONE, UH, CHANGE THE CONSENT AGENDA, UM, AND, UH, I WILL LET MR. UH, WINFREY MAKE THAT PROPOSAL.
YES, WE JUST CONCLUDED A FINANCE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING,
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AND WE DISCUSSED THE, UH, THE POLICY, UH, WHICH WAS UP, UH, FOR, FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, WHICH WAS A THRESHOLD FOR, UH, UH, OUR, OUR FUND BALANCES.AND, UM, DURING THAT DISCUSSION, IT BECAME EVIDENT THAT WE NEEDED TO, TO, UH, TO PAY SOME MORE ATTENTION TO IT, GET A, A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
SO, UH, AS PART OF THAT, I'D LIKE TO PULL IT OFF THE AGENDA FOR, FOR THIS MEETING FOR APPROVAL, AND WHICH WILL ALLOW SOME TIME.
UH, AND WE SCHEDULED A, UH, WORK SESSION, UH, TO DEAL WITH THAT PRIOR TO THE, UH, JANUARY BOARD MEETING.
AND, UH, WE'LL PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA WITH, UH, AFTER WE HAVE DONE THAT.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UH, ANY OTHER FURTHER ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? OKAY.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DO YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THE MINUTES
[VII. Approval of Action Minutes]
FROM THE MEETING OF NOVEMBER 6TH, 2024?[1. Minutes of Nov 6, 2024 4:00 PM]
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM? SO MOVED.ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[VIII. Citizen Comment]
WE WILL NOW MOVE.UH, WE'LL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR TO CITIZEN COMMENTS.
EACH SPEAKER MUST GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS.
CITIZENS ARE REMIND THAT REMINDED THAT COMMENTS SHOULD BE ABOUT ITEMS NOT COVERED BY THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEING HELD LATER TONIGHT.
COMMENTS SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL AND NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES IN LENGTH.
SHOULD MULTIPLE CITIZENS WISH TO HAVE A COMMON SPEAKER THEY MEET, THEY MAY SEAT THEIR TIME IN TWO MINUTE INCREMENTS, UP TO A TOTAL ALLOTTED TIME OF 10 MINUTES PER BOARD.
RULES OF PROCEDURES SECTION 3.2, A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME INTENDED NOT TO BE MORE THAN AN HOUR IS ALLOCATED FOR CITIZENS COMMENT, PERIOD.
SEEING NO CITIZENS, I, UH, FOR COMMENT, I WILL NOW CLOSE THE FLOOR.
[IX. Reports]
US MS. MS. BARBARA WILLIAMS TO GIVE A QUARTERLY REPORT ON THE P**N REGIONAL LIBRARY.[1. Pamunkey Regional Library Board Report]
GOOD AFTERNOON.I'M BARBARA SLOAN, ONE OF YOUR REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE ON PRL, AND I'M GIVING AN UPDATE ON SOME FINANCIAL INFORMATION.
THE PRL WAS THE FIRST OF HANOVER'S FISCAL PARTNERS TO COMPLETE OUR AUDIT FOR 2024.
WE ARE HAPPY TO REPORT THAT IT WAS CLEAN AND AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
GO TO OUR ACTING DIRECTOR, JAMIE STOOPS, ACTING DEPUTY DIRECTOR SHETA BRAD, AND ESPECIALLY TO KEN KARON, OUR BUSINESS OPERATIONS MANAGER.
WE HAVE PRESENTED THE 2026 BUDGET AND HAVE NOT REQUESTED ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS FROM GLIN OR HANOVER.
WE REQUEST, WE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL FUNDS FROM KING WILLIAM TO RETURN THEM TO 52 HOURS PER WEEK UP FROM THE CURRENT 44.
WE ARE AWAITING APPROVAL FROM ALL THREE COUNTIES.
WE HAVE RETAINED THE SERVICES OF ANNE HERTY HAWVER, A CPA OUT OF ROANOKE, WHO IS AN EXPERT IN PUBLIC FINANCING, CONSULTING, AND ACCOUNTING SERVICES.
WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH HER FOR UP TO 60 HOURS PER YEAR TO ASSIST WITH FINANCES IN OUR AUDIT.
AS OF, UH, OCTOBER 31ST, 2024, THE TOTAL PRL FUND BALANCE IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT MONEY HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN EARMARKED FOR A NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
THAT PROJECT WAS NEVER APPROVED, AND THIS BOARD BELIEVES THE MONEY IS BETTER SPENT ON LIBRARIES AND IS CHOSEN TO APPROPRIATE A PORTION OF THOSE FUNDS FOR LIBRARY CAPITAL PROJECTS.
AT OUR CPA SUGGESTION, WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE NO LESS THAN $500,000 IN THE ACCOUNT.
WE ASKED JAMIE TO MEET WITH THE BRANCH MANAGERS AND LIBRARIANS TO GET A WISH AND NEEDS LIST FROM EACH BRANCH.
THESE ITEMS INCLUDE REPLACING AGING LAPTOPS, UPDATING THE LAPTOP LAB, UPDATING NETWORK EQUIPMENT, GETTING CANVAS SUBSCRIPTIONS TO ENHANCED MARKETING MATERIALS AND OUTREACH EFFORTS, NEW LEARNING NEW EARLY LEARNING STATIONS, AEDS AT ALL BRANCHES, NEW OUTREACH KITS FOR EVENTS AND BRANDED MATERIALS, MUSEUM PASSES AND DIGITAL ACCESS TO LOCAL NEWS, REPURPOSING AN OLD DELIVERY VAN TO USE AS AN OUTREACH FAN, FIXING SIGNIFICANT LIGHTING ISSUES AT THE MECHANICSVILLE BRANCH.
VOX BOOK AND BOARD BOOK BROWSING BINS, A POSTAGE METER FOR INTER-LIBRARY LOANS IN A NEW
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DELIVERY VAN.THE DISPERSE, THE DISBURSEMENT OF THESE FUNDS WILL BE MADE THOUGHTFULLY AS WE STRIVE TO ENRICH AND ENHANCE OUR LIBRARIES FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.
AND ONE MORE FUN THING IS THE, THE LOCKERS.
GLIM IS A PART OF A PILOT PROGRAM FOR LIBRARY LOCKERS.
PATRONS CAN NOW PICK UP THEIR BOOKS ON HOLD ANY HOUR OF THE DAY OR NIGHT BY RETRIEVING A CODE FROM THE LIBRARY TO UNLOCK THEIR ASSIGNED LOCKER.
AND I NOW PASS IT TO THE OTHER BARBARA
I, UH, BARBARA WAS ABLE TO TELL YOU SEVERAL OF THE THINGS THAT WE, THAT ARE VERY, VERY POSITIVE THAT ARE GOING ON.
I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WANT TO ADD THAT ARE, ARE SOME CONCERNS.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT WE HAD DECIDED IN SEPTEMBER THAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO, UM, UH, AN ANALYSIS OF OUR STAFFING AND, UM, TAKE A LOOK, MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY HOLES IN OUR STAFFING, THAT THERE ARE, AREN'T THINGS THAT WE NEED OR THAT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REDUNDANCIES IN THE STAFFING.
AND, UM, WE, UH, JAMIE, WE ASKED JAMIE TO TAKE A LOOK AT DIFFERENT, UM, COMPANIES THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THIS SO THAT WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COST OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE SO THAT WE COULD PUT OUT AN RFP.
AND JAMIE FOUND OUT FROM EVERY ONE OF THE ONES THAT SHE TALKED TO, THEY SAID, WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER, UM, WE KNOW WHAT KING AND QUEEN, KING WILLIAM PLANS TO DO.
WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ON THE STAFFING, UM, WHILE WE HAVE NINE LIBRARIES, IF WE'RE GOING DOWN TO SEVEN LIBRARIES, AND WE JUST, WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.
SO WE ARE, WE'RE HOLDING OFF ON THAT.
ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAD PUT OFF IN THE SUMMER WAS WORKING ON OUR POLICIES, ON REVISION OF OUR POLICIES, WHICH NEED TO BE REVISED.
AND WE STARTED BACK UP IN SEPTEMBER ON REVISING THE POLICIES.
WE HAD A WORK SESSION IN NOVEMBER TO WORK ON THEM.
UM, WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE HAVE THE ORGANIZATION WE THINK THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE USING FOR THOSE POLICIES BECAUSE THERE WAS NONE BEFORE.
AND THAT, UM, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE FORMATTING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO USE ON ALL THE POLICIES SET.
AND WE HAVE THREE POLICIES THAT ARE READY TO BE APPROVED.
SO WE ARE, WE'RE MOVING ON THAT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A, A LONG PROCESS.
THE LAST THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS THE ISSUE ABOUT HOTSPOTS.
THIS HAS BECOME A REAL FIRESTORM IN THE COUNTY.
I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT IT HAS HOTSPOTS ARE, UM, A PORTABLE DEVICE THAT CAN BE CHECKED OUT FROM THE LIBRARY SO THAT YOU CAN GET INTERNET ACCESS.
AND, UM, WHEN THEY FIRST, WHAT HAPPENED, I WANNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY,
AND ONE OF THE MEMBERS ON THE BOARD, UM, PICKED UP THE ISSUE OF HOTSPOTS.
UM, WE HAVE A BUDGET, WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET 48,000 A YEAR FOR THE HOTSPOTS.
AND FOR THAT, WHAT THE, THAT 48,000 COVERS IS ANY KIND OF MAINTENANCE ON HOTSPOTS, BUT ALSO THE SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE FOR THOSE HOTSPOTS.
AND WHEN SHE DID SOME, SHE DID QUITE A BIT OF RESEARCH, SHE REALLY DID.
AND SHE CAME BACK AND SHE SAID, I THINK HOTSPOTS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND DECIDE WHETHER THAT IS A SERVICE THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE PROVIDING.
AND, UM, SHE BROUGHT THIS UP IN, IN OCTOBER, AND WE MADE THE DECISION IN OCTOBER THAT WE AS BOARD MEMBERS NEEDED TO GO BACK TO OUR COUNTIES AND SAY, AND TALK TO PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY AND FIND OUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE BEHIND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO STILL NEED WIFI ACCESS.
AND SO, UM, VIC AND I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION AND, UM, VIC WAS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHICH I KNOW 'CAUSE I'M IN, WAS IN THAT SITUATION THAT DO NOT STILL HAVE WIFI ACCESS.
IT'S NOT JUST IN ONE PART OF THE COUNTY, IT'S ACROSS THE COUNTY THAT WE STILL NEED A LOT OF ACCESS.
AND HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT I TAKE IT BACK TO THE BOARD, THAT WE NOT GET RID OF HOTSPOTS.
UM, WE BROUGHT IT BACK UP IN NOVEMBER.
IN NOVEMBER AT OUR NOVEMBER MEETING.
NOT ONLY DID WE TALK ABOUT THE ACCESS TO HOT HOTSPOTS, BUT WE ALSO TALKED, UM, IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY ONE PERSON THAT SHE THOUGHT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO START CHARGING FOR HOTSPOTS.
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THAT DID NOT GO REAL WELL.AND I WILL TELL YOU AT THE NOVEMBER BOARD, THERE WAS A MOTION, UM, THAT WAS PUT FORWARD TO, UM, START PHASING OUT HOTSPOTS.
AND IF WE DIDN'T PHASE THEM OUT TO START CHARGING FOR THEM, THAT THAT MOTION WAS, UM, DID NOT PASS.
WE NOW HAVE A MOTION THAT WAS PASSED, ASKING THAT WE IN 2027 GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AGAIN AT THE HOTSPOTS BACK, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE'VE HAD TIME FOR THE, UM, INTERNET ACCESS TO BE AVAILABLE TO MORE PEOPLE AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO AT THAT POINT.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY I'M SORRY THAT IT BECAME, HAS BECOME SUCH A, A FIRESTORM ABOUT THIS, BUT I, I'M AFRAID WHOEVER STARTED THE FIRESTORM DIDN'T LISTEN TO ANY OF THE, UH, MEETING MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT THIS.
SO AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AND JAMIE IS HERE WITH US TODAY TOO, SO WE HAVE THE EXPERT FROM THE OFFICE ALSO.
THANK YOU MS. WILLIAMS. MS. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE HOTSPOT? LIKE IF I CHECK OUT A HOTSPOT FROM THE LIBRARY, IS THERE A, A DATA LIMIT? YEAH, IT, IT SET, IT'S, UM, FOR TWO WEEKS, CORRECT.
I'LL LET JAMIE, JAMIE IS THE EXPERT ON THIS, SO, HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.
UM, YES, IT'S A 14 DAY CHECKOUT FOR THOSE, UM, SO YOU CAN HAVE ONE, UH, HOTSPOT AT A TIME PER USER, AND THEN YOU CAN GO BACK ON HOLD FOR IT AFTER THAT.
BUT THERE'S, IT'S UNLIMITED DATA, UM, ON THE HOTSPOT ONCE YOU HAVE IT.
IS, IS THAT A COST THAT, UH, LIKE IS IT LIKE, IF I GO TO VERIZON AND I GET A JET PACK, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, UH, 20 GIGABYTE PER MONTH DATA LIMIT.
IS IT, ARE, ARE SUBSCRIPTIONS UN COMPLETELY UNLIMITED? CORRECT.
THEY ARE, WE HAVE, UM, HOTSPOTS THROUGH VERIZON, UM, AND THROUGH T-MOBILE THAT SEEM TO COVER, UH, OUR, OUR SERVICE AREA PRETTY WELL.
UM, I, I WAS CURIOUS, THE, THE $4 MILLION, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT, RETAINED EARNINGS, UH, OR, OR ALLOCATED BUT NOT ASSIGNED.
IS THAT THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY WE USE? THAT'S THE FUND BALANCE.
THAT'S THE TOTAL OF ALL THE ASSET.
AND, AND SO THAT HAS BEEN ACCUMULATING OVER FIVE YEARS.
14, I MEAN, SINCE THE BEGINNING.
AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE ARE STARTING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, KIND OF HISTORY ON THAT FUND BALANCE TO FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW IT ACCUMULATED TO THAT AMOUNT BECAUSE IT GOES WAY BACK.
AND ANN, THE WOMAN THAT WE'VE CONTRACT ON RETAINER, SHE'S DONE A LITTLE BIT OF KIND OF FORENSIC WORK ON IT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF ON A SIDE THING.
'CAUSE THAT HASN'T BEEN, THAT HASN'T BEEN, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO KIND OF FIRES TO PUT OUT, BUT WE ARE CURIOUS ABOUT IT OURSELVES, HOW WE'VE ACCUMULATED THAT AMOUNT.
NOW, THERE ARE SOME VERY GENEROUS DONORS.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT SOME PEOPLE THAT, THAT REALLY DONATE LARGE SUMS OF MONEY THAT GO INTO THE BALANCE AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE TOUCHING THEN ON THE, THE THOUGHT WE CAN'T GO BACK AND CHANGE WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
UH, BUT I WAS CURIOUS, SINCE THE FUNDING IS PROPORTIONAL OR I BELIEVE IT IS, AND HANOVER CONTRIBUTES X AMOUNT AND GLAND, UH, FUNDS AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, WHETHER THAT 4 MILLION REPRESENTS A PERCENTAGE OF FUNDS THAT SOURCED FROM GLAND AND YOU JUST ILLUMINATED THAT IT COULD BE PRIVATE DONATIONS THAT HAVE GONE INTO THAT.
UM, GOING FORWARD, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON YOUR REQUEST FOR FUNDING IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE IF YOU'VE GOT $4 MILLION THAT YOU MAYBE DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD OR, OR DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS AVAILABLE? WELL, WHAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHEN I GOT ON THE BOARD WAS, UM, THAT THE FUND, I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT OF THE FUND BALANCE AS, AS THIS POT OF MONEY THAT WAS SITTING ON THE SIDE.
BUT WHAT IT IS, IT'S JUST AN ACCUMULATION OF, OF THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT WE HAVE.
THAT'S A LOT OF 2 CENT FINES, I GUESS
UM, SO I, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE WE'RE CURIOUS.
AND ALSO IT DEPENDS ON THE MARKET.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FUND BALANCE CHANGES WITH THE, THE MARKET CHANGING AS WELL BECAUSE A PORTION OF IT IS IN THE, THE HANOVER MANAGES THE FUNDS THAT ARE JUST SITTING THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME UNREALIZED GAINS AND LOSSES.
I AM A HUGE SUPPORTER OF THE LIBRARY SYSTEM AND I WANNA
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MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ADEQUATELY FUNDED YES, BUT NOT EXCESSIVELY.AND IF THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN RESERVE THAT ARE NOT NOW GOING TO BE USED FOR A CAPITAL PROJECT OF AN ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, UH, IF, IF THE MONEY IS NEEDED FROM GOOSE, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PUT YOUR REQUEST IN.
IF IT'S NOT, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PUT THAT REQUEST IN AS WELL,
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF, UM, FINDING OUT THAT WHEN YOU START LOOKING FOR WAYS TO, TO SAVE MONEY, THAT NOT EVERYBODY'S A FAN OF THAT PROCESS.
SO WE WILL, WE WILL KEEP AT IT.
AND JAMIE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HOW THE DIVISION OF THE, UM, THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN THE, THE COUNTY FUND THAT LIKE THE SHARED THE COUNTY YEAH, THE SHARED FUND AND THE, AND THE, IN OTHER WORDS, THE COUNT, WHAT, WHAT THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTES.
PART OF THAT GOES TO WHAT IS CALLED THE SHARED FUND.
AND THAT SHARED FUND IS WHAT WE USE WHEN WE PURCHASE BOOKS, WHEN WE, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT I I'M GONNA LET YOU TALK ABOUT.
UM, SO OUR, OUR SHARED SERVICES, UM, ARE WHAT IS, IS SPLIT PER CAP ON A PER CAP BASIS AMONGST THE THREE COUNTIES THAT WE SERVE.
UH, GLAND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 16% OF THE SHARED SERVICES.
UM, HANOVER IS THE MAJORITY AT 72 IN KING WILLIAM AT 12.
SO FOR INSTANCE, THE HOTSPOT THAT WE HAVE, GLAND'S ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR 12% OF THE 48,000 THAT WE, UM, WE ALLOT FOR, FOR THOSE.
AND THAT IS, UM, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL.
IT'S OUR BOOKS AND MATERIALS SUPPLIES, UM, SOME EQUIPMENT CONTRACTUAL.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER COST ARE THE COST TO OPERATOR BRANCHES.
AND SO THERE'S THE, THAT'S THE PERSONNEL AT OUR BRANCHES AND THAT, THAT COST IS, IS MORE SOLELY BY THE, THE COUNTIES THAT THEY SERVE.
SO, MR.
DID I OVERLOOK, DID YOU ALL MENTION HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO FIND OUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM NINE TO SEVEN LIBRARIES FOR THEM TO MAKE A DECISION? I, I DID NOT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S IN THE HANDS OF THE ADMINISTRATORS.
THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, IT'S AT THAT LEVEL RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, IT'S ABOVE OUR PAY GRADE.
WE'RE, UM, NOT LIKE SOME UPCOMING BOARD MEETING THAT THEY'VE GOT ESTABLISHED THAT A DECISION WILL BE MADE.
THERE'S JUST, I KNOW THEY'RE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS.
WE TALKED WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATOR, UH, JAMIE AND I TALKED WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATOR FROM KING WILLIAM AND HAD A VERY POSITIVE MEETING WITH HER.
SO, UM, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE STATUS, SO YOU STILL SOME THINGS IN LIMBO UNTIL YOU GET THAT NAILED DOWN.
MR. GOVERNOR DID MR. CARPENTER, DID YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS? YES, SIR.
I WAS JUST GOING TO, UM, UM, ALONG WITH, WITH, UH, WHAT BARBARA SAID, UM, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR IN THAT COUNTY, AND SHE HAS REQUESTED THAT WE JUST KIND OF PAUSE WHILE THEY LOOK AT IT AS A BOARD.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE A NEW BOARD AS WELL, A NEW ADMINISTRATOR, AND THEY'RE NOT AT THIS MOMENT MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR REQUEST TO LEAVE.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY WILL NOT COME BACK AND DECIDE THAT.
BUT IT WAS, I FELT ALSO VERY POSITIVE MEETING IN THE SENSE OF THE, THE POTENTIAL FOR THEM STAYING WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU MR. SPAU.
THANK, THANK, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UM, KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON THAT, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE, THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING.
IT'S, I I JUST GET A GLIMPSE OF HOW, WHAT A HEAVY LIFT IT IS AND JUST THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WHAT I, I GUESS, GUESS THE QUESTION IS, I, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THIS DECISION IS HOLDING US UP ON OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO.
UM, SO WHAT IS THE, I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU, MR. CARPENTER, IS WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE SENSE OF URGENCY TO MAKE THIS DECISION? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST SITTING BACK WAITING FOR THIS NEW BOARD.
ARE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME, AREN'T ABLE TO GET THE WORK THAT THEY WANT DONE? AND THEN MY QUESTION BECOMES, BECAUSE I'M VERY CONS, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THE POLICIES, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE DRIVING A LOT OF THE OTHER LIBRARY'S DECISIONS.
SO IT'S KIND OF, I FEEL KIND OF LIKE WE HAVE THIS TAIL WAGGING DOG SCENARIO AND LOVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT INTO HOW DO WE GET TO A DECISION SO THAT OUR FOLKS, SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND, AND, AND, UH, HAVE THE LIBRARY SYSTEM WHERE OUR CITIZENS BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE.
I THANK MR. BOHA, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, SO I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, AGAIN, OUR, UM, OUR, THE NEW ADMINISTRATOR AS WELL AS IN HANOVER COUNTY, THEIR ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT, UM, WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.
AND AT THIS POINT, THEY HAVE NOT LEFT THE LIBRARY BOARD, SO, UH, OR THE LIBRARY ORGANIZATION.
SO, SO THEY ARE STILL FULLY MEMBERS.
IF THE LIBRARY BOARD FEELS THAT, THAT THEY CANNOT MOVE FORWARD ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DECISION THAT THEY'RE MAKING.
UM, TO YOUR POINT, HOWEVER, UM, WE WILL BE
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GETTING BACK IN TOUCH.WE'RE SCHEDULED TO HAVE IN JANUARY A, A MEETING AGAIN WITH THE ADMINISTRATORS TO TRY TO NAIL DOWN WHERE WE GO, BECAUSE WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW FROM WHERE WE SIT IN OUR CHAIR AS ADMINISTRATORS, OUR ROLE IN SUPPORTING THIS LIBRARY SYSTEM TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
AND AS YOU, AGAIN, HAVE CORRECTLY POINTED OUT, THE AMBIGUITY OF IT KEEPS THINGS FROM HAPPENING.
AND IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR US TO MAKE DECISIONS FROM BUDGETS, EVEN THOUGH THOUGH THE BUDGETARY, UM, DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE AS FAR AS THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON US, THE REALITY IS, IN THE LONG TERM, IT IS VERY OPEN.
SO, SO WE'RE SCHEDULED TO GET TOGETHER BACK IN JANUARY TO HAVE, UH, A FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE, WITH THE GOAL AND THE INTENTION OF HAVING THIS NAILED DOWN FAIRLY QUICKLY, BECAUSE THEY STILL NEED TO FOLLOW THE, THE PROPER PROTOCOLS AND PROCEDURES.
IF THEY DO WISH TO LEAVE, THEY'LL NEED TO COME IN FRONT IF THEY WISH, UH, TO HAVE AN EARLY DEPARTURE IN FRONT OF OUR BOARD AND HANOVER'S BOARD AS WELL, UH, WHICH WILL HAVE TO GET SCHEDULED ON AGENDAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
THANK YOU, MS. WILLIAMS, MS. SLOAN, MR. THANK YOU.
I'LL NOW ASK MR. MARSHALL WHEN TO PRESENT THE VDOT REPORT TO THE BOARD.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. CARPENTER, UH,
[2. VDOT - Report presented at meeting]
MARSHALL WIND WITH VDOT.UH, THIS PAST MONTH WE HAD 182 WORK ORDERS COMPLETED 180.
HAD, UH, 14, UH, AFTER HOUR CALL OUTS.
BEEN DOING REGULAR MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES AS USUAL, ASPHALT AND POTHOLE REPAIRS, PIPE REPLACEMENT AND CLEANING, DITCHING, TREE AND BRUSH, UH, CUTTING AND REMOVAL COMPLETED.
THE, UM, SECONDARY MOWING CYCLE, COMPLETED THE LAST PRIMARY MOWING CYCLE.
UM, I THINK LAST BOARD MEETING I TALKED ABOUT ELK ISLAND, THAT DEBRIS HAS BEEN CLEANED UP NOW.
THEY, THEY COMPLETED THAT LAST WEEK AND THE CONTRACTOR MOVED OUT.
WE DO HAVE A PROJECT GOING ON ON HERMITAGE ROAD RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A PIPELINING, UH, THAT WE'RE DOING ON A 60 INCH PIPE THAT ACTUALLY STARTED THIS MORNING.
SO THEY SHOULD BE IN AND OUT OF THERE.
AND A WEEK AT, AT THE MOST, IT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT TRAFFIC.
MAYBE MIGHT HAVE TO DO SOME FLAGGING OR WHATEVER TO BRING THE PIPE IN, BUT IT'S A SMOOTH WALL STEEL PIPE THAT THEY'RE GONNA LINE THE CORRUGATED METAL PIPE WITH.
ONCE THEY SLIP THAT IN, THEY'LL PODGE IT AND PUMP CONCRETE AROUND IT SO IT WON'T GO ANYWHERE.
AND THAT, THAT STEEL ON OUR PIPE IS PROBABLY A HALF AN INCH THICK, SO WON'T EVER HAVE TO REPLACE THAT ONE AGAIN.
UM, ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP.
HIRED EQUIPMENT FOR SNOW REMOVAL.
UM, ALL CONTRACTS, UH, OH, MY TIME'S UP.
CONTRACTS HAVE ALL BEEN COMPLETED.
UM, ALL THEIR SALT AND SAND AND ABRASIVES ARE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT CAPACITY.
AND IF WE HAVE ANY SNOW, WE'RE READY TO GO.
OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
NOT UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WYNN? MR. WYNN, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
UM, I HAVE NOT GOTTEN CALLS THIS LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, SO ROADS MUST BE IN BRILLIANT, EXCELLENT SHAPE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT VERY, VERY MUCH.
AND, AND I DO WANT TO, UM, JUST OBSERVE THAT SOMETIMES IT'S EASY TO BEAT UP ON VDOT AND, AND THROW ASPIRATIONS AND STONES, BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO.
AND, UH, I JUST WANNA BE VOCAL IN SAYING THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO.
MR. SPINO? YEAH, JUST ONE THING.
I'M, I'M, I'M, SINCE WE'RE HANDING OUT, UH, FLOWERS OF GRATITUDE, JUST WANT TO THANK, UH, YOU AND, AND YOUR TEAM FOR THE WORK THEY DID WITH, UH, THE ASHLAND ROAD INTERCHANGE DISCUSSION THAT CAME UP.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THAT.
I WAS THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT, BUT, UH, JUST TO KIND OF GET IT ON RECORD, THERE WAS, UH, PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH PROJECT ROCKY IS TO, TO, UH, HAVE THAT AREA SIGNALIZE, AND THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TIMING.
UH, AND VDOT STEPPED UP AND, UM, REALLY HELPED PARTNER TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A, A SOLUTION, UH, AND WHEN, FOR WHEN CONSTRUCTION BEGINS, WHICH WAS GOING TO BE HUGE.
SO, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND, AND WORK WITH US ON THAT.
UM, I'LL NOTE THAT ALL OF THE REPORTS IS LISTED IN THE AGENDA ARE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
UM, I'LL, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO, UH, MR. CLIFF HELLER FOR, UH, MOST RECENT ADDITIONS TO THE GLAND
[3. Introduction of New County Staff]
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COUNTY TEAM.UH, WE HAD OVER THE MONTHS OF OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER, UM, SEVEN NEW HIRES.
SO I'M GONNA CYCLE THROUGH THEM HERE, AND I'M GONNA DO A MUCH BETTER JOB OF WATCHING MY MONITORS THAN I HAVE IN THE PAST.
SO OUR FIRST PERSON IS JULIE FABIAN, HIRED IN AS OUR ASSISTANT COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY.
UH, SHE HAD BEEN WITH US PRIOR AS AN INTERN, SO IT WAS VERY EXCITING FOR THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY OFFICE BECAUSE SHE PASSED THE BAR TO GET INTO THE ROLE.
SO IT'S A VERY EXCITING TIME FOR US, AND SHE CAN'T MAKE IT TODAY.
ALEXANDRA SPALDING WAS INTRODUCED.
SHE HAPPENED TO BE HERE FOR OUR LAST MEETING AS OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE HER IN MY SLIDE.
SHE STARTED ON THE 1ST OF OCTOBER.
OUR NEXT PERSON IN ANIMAL PROTECTION IS OUR NEW ANIMAL SHELTER SUPERVISOR.
EVERYBODY IN ANIMAL SHELTER IS VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HER
UH, NEXT IS, UH, DAVID, STEVE, STEVE PAR, OUR NEW PART-TIME FIRE RESCUE TRAINER.
THEY'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD.
UM, NEXT WE HIRED A NEW ENVIRONMENTAL INSPECTOR FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
HALEY IS ON SITE TODAY, COULDN'T MAKE IT, UH, BUT, UH, VERY EXCITED ABOUT HER NEW ROLE.
AND WE HIRED ANOTHER CUSTODIAN, AUTUMN INGER.
AUTUMN, UM, DOES SOME WORK IN THIS OFFICE, BUT MOSTLY IS OUT AND ABOUT IN OTHER OFFICES.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UH, RICK SHAWNA SMITH WAS HIRED AS OUR UTILITIES OPERATOR.
SHE CAME TO US FROM HANOVER COUNTY WITH A TON OF BACKGROUND.
VERY EXCITED TO HAVE HER ON BOARD.
UH, ALSO, UM, JUST A LIGHT IN THE ROOM WHEN YOU MEET HER, YOU'LL KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE EVERYBODY.
UM, WE ARE WAITING ON MR. FERGUSON AND, UM, ANOTHER GUEST.
SO WE WILL MOVE PAST THE NO CHIEF IS, BUT, BUT YES, WE ARE.
SORRY, YOUR HEAD WAS STILL WAITING.
WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR ANOTHER MEMBER, SO WE WILL PUSH THAT TO A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE AGENDA.
UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I WILL ASK MR. CARPENTER TO, UM, OH, SORRY.
DO ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WISH TO REPORT ON ANY REGIONAL BOARDS THAT THEY'RE SERVING ON? UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT FRIDAY, THE R-R-T-P-O AND I GUESS PLAN RVA, I'M STILL NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND.
THE HIERARCHY IS MEETING, UH, FOR AN ANNUAL JOINT MEETING AT, UH, EIGHT O'CLOCK DOWN AT THE R-R-T-P-O
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PLAN, RVA HEADQUARTERS, UH, THERE IN, UH, UM, MANCHESTER, I GUESS WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.UM, SO I WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION AFTER THAT MEETING TAKES PLACE, BUT THAT'S FRIDAY, AND I THINK I CAN BRING A GUESS IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BE A PLUS ONE.
ANY OTHER DO, DO QUICK UPDATES? UM, I MENTIONED LAST TIME THAT WE'D BE VOTING ON, UH, POLICY CHANGES.
UM, THE ONE POLICY THAT WE DID SUPPORT WAS, UH, PART OF, PART OF THE REASON CBTA EXISTS IS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MATCHING FUNDS WHEN WE GO FOR APPLICATIONS.
UM, ONE OF THE CHAR ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT, UM, UH, SOMETHING LIKE SMART SCALE LOOKS AT IS HOW MUCH IS THE COUNTY BRINGING TO THE TABLE? SO MANY TIMES, LOCALITIES SUCH AS OURSELVES, ARE AWARDED MONEY THAT'S SORT OF SEED MONEY FOR OTHER PROJECTS.
UM, WE DID NOT HAVE A POLICY FOR HOW LONG THOUGH THAT SEED MONEY COULD JUST SIT VACANT WHILE PROJECTS KEEP GETTING LOOKED OVER, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAD A PROJECT SUCH AS, OH, I DON'T KNOW, THE 2 88 SOUTHBOUND HARD SHOULDER RUNNING LANE THAT WENT FOR TWO CYCLES OF SMART SCALE, AT SOME POINT YOU'VE GOTTA SAY, OKAY, THIS ISN'T GOING FORWARD.
WE'VE GOTTA FREE UP THAT $4 MILLION FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO, SO THAT POLICY DID PASS.
UM, I AM, I'M LESS EXCITED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UH, I WAS THE SOLE VOTE AGAINST RAISING THE, UM, THE, UH, PER CAPITA FEE, UH, THAT HAD BEEN REPRESENTED.
I, I DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WAS W WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE HAD, THAT WE COULDN'T FIND THE MONEY NECESSARY.
AND WHILE IT'S ONLY A $2,000 INCREASE PER YEAR FOR GOON COUNTY, I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS, UM, APPROPRIATE TO BE RAISING THE FEE WHEN IT HAD BEEN RAISING, UH, 10 OR 15 YEARS.
BUT, UH, MY PEERS DID NOT SEE IT THAT WAY.
SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.
I'LL, I'LL DO BETTER NEXT TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT BOARD, MR. UH, SPIN.
ANY OTHER REPORTS? OKAY, NOW WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.[X. Consent Items:]
TO SUMMARIZE THE ITEMS UNDER CONSENT.MR. CHAIRMAN REMEMBERS THE BOARD WITH THE, UM, DELETION OF ITEM THREE.
WE HAVE TWO ITEMS IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
UH, THE FIRST IS THE 2025 HOLIDAY CALENDAR.
UH, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BOARD'S 2012 DECISION TO FOLLOW THE STATE OF VIRGINIA HOLIDAY CALENDAR.
UH, THE BOARD WILL BE REQUESTED TO ADOPT THE SAME DATES THAT THE STATE FOR THE 2025 HOLIDAYS, HOWEVER, WITH A RECOMMENDED AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL FOUR HOURS OF LEAVE ON DECEMBER 24TH, 2025 CHRISTMAS EVE.
SO THE COUNTY OFFICES MAY BE CLOSED ON THAT DAY.
THE BOARD HAS ALSO REQUESTED TO ADOPT THE COUNTY'S 2025 LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AND AUTHORIZE THE ADMINISTRATOR OR HIS DESIGNEE TO REPRESENT GOIN COUNTY AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE PURPOSES OF COMMUNICATING THESE REQUESTS AND POLICY POSITIONS.
AND THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS WITH THESE TWO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[1. Consideration of the 2025 Holiday Calendar]
HAVE A MOTION? SO[2. Adoption of the 2025 Legislative Agenda]
MOVED.AND, AND IF I MIGHT, EVEN THOUGH ONLY TWO WERE READ, TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE CHANGED FROM WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET, THAT'S WHEN WE SAY IT'S AS AMENDED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. WELL, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.
ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE VOTE.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
[XI. New Business:]
NEW BUSINESS, WE WILL RECEIVE THE PRESENTATION OF THE GLAND FI[1. Presentation of the Fiscal Year 2024 Annual Comprehensive Financial Report by the County’s External Auditors, PBMares]
COUNTY FISCAL YEAR 20 23, 20 24 COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT AS DELIVERED BY OUR AUDITOR PB MAYORS.UH, WE DID MEET WITH YOUR AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE BEFORE THIS MEETING AND BRIEFLY WENT OVER THE AUDIT AND HOW THINGS WENT.
AND THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE JUST EVEN A LITTLE MORE BRIEF THAN THAT ONE.
UM, JUST DO WANNA REPORT THOUGH TO, TO THE FULL BOARD AND, AND TO YOUR CITIZENS THAT THE, THE AUDIT IS COMPLETE.
THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE READY FOR PRESENTATION AND, AND VIEWING, UM, AND, AND SUBMITTING TO ALL OF THE, UH, FEDERAL AND STATE AGENCIES THAT ARE LOOKING TO GET THESE SENT TO THEM.
UM, OUR FIRM DID ISSUE AN UNMODIFIED OPINION ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE ISSUED, UM, REPORTS ON INTERNAL CONTROL AND COMPLIANCE.
WE HAD NO ISSUES OR FINDINGS THERE.
AND WE ALSO ISSUED A REPORT ON YOUR FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT WERE SPENT, UM, UNDER THE UNIFORM GUIDANCE.
AND WE HAD NO ISSUES OR FINDINGS WITH YOUR FEDERAL DOLLARS AS WELL.
SO ALL OF THE OPINIONS AND REPORTS THAT WE HAVE ISSUED, UM, ARE CLEAN WITH NO, NO PROBLEMS THERE.
UM, JUST TO SAY THAT WORKING WITH STAFF THINGS WENT EXTREMELY WELL.
WE WERE ABLE TO PLAN OUR AUDIT, FOLLOW OUR PLAN, AND, AND CONCLUDE ACCORDINGLY.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED, OBSERVATIONS, THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO, TO TASK, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT ANY ISSUES AS WELL.
SO, WORKING WITH YOUR FINANCE TEAM AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.
WE, WE GATHER MORE THAN JUST INFORMATION FROM YOUR FINANCE GROUP, BUT WORKING WITH ALL YOUR DEPARTMENTS, UM, WENT EXTREMELY WELL THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT AREN'T YET TO BE COMPLETED.
THERE ARE SOME OTHER REPORTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE OUTSIDE OF THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
UM, AND WE ARE ON TRACK TO COMPLETE ALL OF THOSE WITHIN THE GUIDELINES AND THE TIMETABLES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO US.
SO, WITH THAT, IT'S A VERY QUICK SUMMARY OF THE FINANCIAL DOCUMENT, OR NO SUMMARY OF THE FINANCIAL DOCUMENT, BUT THE AUDIT IN GENERAL.
UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND BOARD MEMBERS HAVE, UH, QUESTIONS OF PB MAYORS.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA ASK THIS THE RIGHT WAY, BUT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, UH, UH, CHANNEL MR. PETERSON HERE EACH YEAR AT AUDIT.
HE, HE WOULD BRING UP POTENTIAL AND MAYBE GETTING STRONG, BUT NEW FAFSA REQUIREMENTS.
SB ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THAT WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS YEAR? THERE WERE, THERE WERE A COUPLE GASB PRONOUNCEMENTS THAT WERE ADOPTED.
UM, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
SO COMPARING THIS YEAR TO THE PRIOR YEAR, THERE REALLY WERE NO CHANGES TO THOSE.
MOST OF 'EM WERE JUST KIND OF POINTS TO CONSIDER AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, COMING IN THE FUTURE RIGHT NOW, THE, IT'S, IT'S NOT TOO BAD.
UM, THERE, THERE IS ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA TAKE AWAY A LITTLE BIT OF DISCLOSURE OR SMIDGEN.
IT'S RARE THAT WE ACTUALLY GET TO TAKE SOMETHING AWAY.
IT'S USUALLY JUST ADDING, UM, THAT WE WILL BE IMPLEMENTING IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO.
IT HAS TO JUST DO WITH DISCLOSURES FOR COMPENSATED ABSENCES AND ACCRUED VACATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IT'S JUST CHANGING WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
SO, BUT THAT'S REALLY ALL THAT'S ON THE HORIZON AS WELL.
BUT ANOTHER POINT THAT MR. PETERSON ALWAYS LIKE TO MAKE, AND I DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, UM, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED YOUR AUDIT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, YOU, FOR FEDERAL DOLLARS, YOU WERE CONSIDERED A HIGH RISK AUDITEE.
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HELPED WORK THROUGH ALL OF THOSE THINGS.YOU ARE A LOW RISK AUDITEE AND HAVE BEEN NOW FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
HE ALWAYS DOES LIKE TO ASK THAT.
I APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING HIM.
UM, AND I'M GLAD TO BE ABLE TO MENTION THAT YOU ARE CONTINUED TO BE A LOW RISK AUDIT TEAM.
THAT ALSO, JUST TO NOTE, THAT ALSO REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU HAVE TO TAKE AWAY DOES FROM OUR STAFF AND DEPARTMENTS.
SO IT SAVES TIME, IT SAVES MONEY.
IT'S IT STANDING, IT SAVES AUDIT FEE 'CAUSE IT'S LESS WORK WE HAVE TO DO AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, I, I BELIEVE IT'S KFR.
I'M NOT SURE IF I'M SAYING THIS FER.
'CAUSE I'VE GOT A LOT OF THEM IN SCHOOL.
UM, AND WE'RE MEETING THAT DEADLINE.
IT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS ACTUALLY EXTENDED, BUT ISN'T THERE A EARLY DECEMBER REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE DECEMBER 15TH? YEP.
YOU ARE TO GET THAT IN AND YES, SIR.
JUST WANTED TO GET THAT YES, SIR.
THAT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL THAT WE DIDN'T NEED A SPECIAL MEETING IN ORDER TO MEET THAT DEADLINE.
IT USED TO BE NOVEMBER 30, SO WE WOULD HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING IN NOVEMBER, BUT THEY STATE HAS MOVED THAT GUIDELINE OR THAT DEADLINE TO DECEMBER 15TH.
I WANT TO GIVE THANKS TO PB MAYORS OF COURSE, BUT ALSO CARLY CAVE AND HER FINANCE TEAM FOR DOING AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB.
CLEAN AUDIT IS ESSENTIAL TO OUR, UH, OP OPERATIONS AS A COUNTY.
AND, UH, IT'S A LOT OF RED TAPE TO DEAL WITH.
SO, UH, YOUR EFFORTS DO NOT GO UNNOTICED.
NEXT WILL BE BE A PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD FROM THE TIMMONS GROUP ON THE, UH, SOUTHEAST EASTERN INFRASTRUCTURE STUDY THAT HAS BEEN PERFORMED AND NOW COMPLETED.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. CARPENTER.
UH, MY NAME IS RAMSEY FARHAT AND I'M A PRINCIPAL PLANNER FOR THE COUNTY.
I WAS A CO-PROJECT MANAGER, UM, ON THE SOUTHEASTERN INFRASTRUCTURE STUDY.
UM, ALONG WITH, UM, MY COLLEAGUE MR. TOM COLEMAN, WHO
[2. Presentation by the Timmons Group on the Southeastern Infrastructure Study and Acceptance by the Board of Supervisors]
JUST RECENTLY RETIRED.UM, THE PROJECT ASSESSED INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY IMPACTS ON PARTS OF THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA, UM, IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, AND, UH, DEVELOPED A TOOL FOR ASSESSING, UH, THOSE IMPACTS AS CONDITIONS CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THE STUDY WAS CONDUCTED BY TIMS GROUP, UM, AS A MAIN CONSULTANT ALONG WITH THREE TP AS A SUB-CONSULTANT.
UH, MR. STEVE SCHMIDT OF TIM'S GROUP WILL PRESENT, UH, DELIVERABLES AND THE FINDINGS FROM THE YEAR LONG STUDY, ALONG WITH MR. JEREMY GOLDSTEIN OF THREE TP.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, MR. MIKE CALLAHAN FROM THREE TP IS ALSO WITH US, UH, TODAY.
UM, BEFORE I HAND IT OFF TO STEVE, UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, THANK EVERYBODY INVOLVED, UM, IN THIS EFFORT OVER THE PAST YEAR.
UM, COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS WHO SHARED THEIR VISION, UH, FOR THE AREA MEMBERS OF THE STEERING AND TECHNICAL COMMITTEES, UM, WHO HAVE MET, UH, WITH THE CONSULTANT TEAM BIWEEKLY AND MONTHLY TO OFFER GUIDANCE AND THE COUNTY CITIZENS WHO SHARED, UM, THEIR THOUGHTS AND FEEDBACK DURING OUR MARCH AND OCTOBER.
UM, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, THE PRESENTATION WILL BROADLY OUTLINE THE METHODOLOGY AND RESULTS OF THE STUDY.
WE LEFT OUT DETAILS, UH, THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE TECHNICAL, WHICH ARE ADDRESSED MORE THOROUGHLY IN THE REPORT THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
UH, AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STEVE.
I'M WITH THE TIMMINS GROUP, SERVED AS THE OVERALL PROJECT MANAGER ON THE CONSULTANT SIDE OF THIS.
I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY TO, TO SHARE SOME OF OUR RESULTS, SOME OF THE PROCESS, SOME OF THE APPROACH, AND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TODAY.
I'M GONNA PROVIDE YOU SOME BACKGROUND TO THE STUDY.
UM, JEREMY'S GONNA COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE APPROACH.
THEN WE'RE GONNA GO INTO SOME OF THE OUTPUTS, THE CONCLUSIONS, AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AFTER THAT, WE'LL GO INTO SOME QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, UM, THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE FOR US.
UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT? HOW DID THIS STUDY COME ABOUT? AS YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY AWARE, THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 2018 DESIGNATED THIS AREA, THIS CIRCLE OF THE COUNTY FOR FUTURE ANALYSIS.
UM, ALONG WITH PREVIOUS LAND USE PLANNING EFFORTS, IDENTIFIED THE NEED FOR BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY ANALYSIS IN THIS PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
UM, THIS IS THE MAP FROM THAT MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
THE CIRCLE WAS DRAWN AND LEFT AGAIN FOR FUTURE STUDY.
UM, THE STUDY AREA IS WITHIN THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA, WHICH IS SHOWN, LEMME BACK UP.
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COUNTY.THE RED AREA IS THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA, AREA WITHIN THE COUNTY.
AND THE WHITE CIRCLE IS THE AREA OF STUDY.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SCALE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, OVERALL COUNTY IS APPROXIMATELY 185,000 ACRES.
DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA IS 21,000.
WE'LL, WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT 3,300, UM, ACRES WITHIN THAT AREA.
UM, SO WHAT IS THIS? WHAT THIS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THIS STUDY IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT.
WHAT IT IS IS A STUDY THAT'S GONNA USE LOCAL DATA, LOCAL LEVELS OF SERVICE TO BETTER PROJECT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPACTS OF GROWTH.
WE WANNA BE ABLE TO FORECAST REASONABLE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS.
YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS LATER, BUT WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS CALLING FOR.
WE LOOKED AT WHAT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUTURE MIGHT LOOK AT AND WHAT A MIXED USE SCENARIO MIGHT LOOK AT, MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO EVALUATE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPACTS OF EACH OF THOSE SCENARIOS.
THE DIFFERENT LAND USES WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, IMPACTS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THE GOAL OF THE STUDY, TO LOOK AT THE ROADS, THE WATER, THE SEWER, THE TAX BASE, THE SCHOOLS, THE FIRE AND RESCUE.
THE GOAL IS TO PROVIDE A DATA INFORMED ANALYSIS USING LOCAL KNOWLEDGE AND GUIDANCE TO BETTER SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING MOVING INTO THE FUTURE.
WHAT IS THIS STUDY? NOT, THIS IS NOT AN UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO DICTATE LAND USE POLICY OR CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE OF ANY INDIVIDUAL PARCEL.
IT'S NOT A PROPOSAL FOR NEW REGULATIONS OR TAXES, AND IT'S NOT AN EVALUATION OF PERSONNEL OR OPERATIONAL NEEDS.
YOU'LL HEAR TOWARDS THE END THAT WE TALK ABOUT SOME ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
WE DID NOT GET INTO THE OPERATING COSTS OF THOSE NEW, NEW, NEW, UH, FACILITIES.
UM, AGAIN, JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT OF A, A BLOW UP OF THE AREA.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE'S THE INTERCHANGE OF ROUTE SIX AND 2 88.
YOU KNOW, WE EXTEND EAST TO THE COUNTY LINE AND THEN WEST JUST BEYOND HOCKETT ROAD AND THEN NORTH AND SOUTH ALONG 2 88.
UM, I WILL NOTE THAT AS, AS WE LOOK AT INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN HERE, ROUTE 2 88 IS PART OF THE STUDY AREA, BUT IS NOT INCLUDED IN ANY ANALYSIS THAT IS A STATE CONTROLLED HIGHWAY THAT WOULD NEED FEDERAL DOLLARS TO DO ANY CHANGES TO.
THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON UP AND DOWN ROUTE 2 88, UH, IN THE PAST AND IN THE RECENT PAST.
THESE ARE, THIS IS A MAP OF THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS WITHIN THAT STUDY AREA.
NOT ALL OF THEM, AS SOME OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED OR RECENTLY DEVELOPED.
UM, BUT THEY'RE GENERALLY THE PINK PARCELS ARE THOSE THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED OR COULD POSSIBLY BE REDEVELOPED THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS STUDY.
SO OUR GOAL WAS TO PROVIDE AN EMPIRICAL DATA-DRIVEN FOUNDATION TO GUIDE THE SUPERVISORS TO GUIDE COUNTY STAFF WHEN CONSIDERING FUTURE LAND USE AND INFRASTRUCTURE DECISIONS.
UM, AGAIN, THE EMPIRICAL DATA-DRIVEN FOUNDATION TO KIND OF GUIDE THOSE FUTURE DECISIONS WHEN IT COMES TO INFRASTRUCTURE PRIORITIES, WHEN IT COMES TO INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING AND THEN FUTURE ZONING AND LAND USE.
WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE THAT COMPREHENSIVE LOOK OF THE WHOLE AREA, UM, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT NEEDS WOULD COME FORWARD FROM THIS.
UM, SPECIFICALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT THE IMPACTS OF FUTURE LAND USE ON FIRE AND RESCUE SCHOOLS, ROADS, AND THEN WATER AND SEWER.
UM, YOU'LL HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WE DID PROJECT SOME TAX BASE INFORMATION ON THAT.
UM, WE ARE NOT, THESE ARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPACTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT ENERGY IN THIS STUDY.
THAT'S ANOTHER STUDY THAT'S GOING ON AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT BEING LOOKED AT AS WELL.
UM, LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR STUDY STRUCTURE.
THE CONSULTANT TEAM THAT RAMSEY INTRODUCED.
TIM'S GROUP THREE TP, UH, WORKING HAND IN HAND.
AND THEN WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY STAFF, UM, BOTH PLANNING STAFF AND THEN INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT ALL OF IT.
WE HAD A TECHNICAL COMMITTEE THAT MET BIWEEKLY THAT WAS COMPRISED OF THE STUDY TEAM AND COUNTY STAFF, AND THEN A STEERING COMMITTEE THAT MET MONTHLY THAT ALSO BROUGHT IN SOME SUPERVISORS AND SOME PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS AS WELL.
WE MET WITH STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT THE AREA IN TWO DIFFERENT FORMS. WE MET WITH EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL LARGER LANDOWNERS, LANDHOLDING GROUPS, UM, ON A ONE-ON-ONE BASIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE STUDY.
AND THEN WE HELD THE TWO CITIZEN INFORMATION MEETINGS THAT RAMSEY JUST TALKED ABOUT, ONE AT THE BEGINNING IN MARCH TO KIND OF SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE.
GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM THE PUBLIC THERE.
AND THEN WE HAD TO HOLD ANOTHER ONE IN SEPTEMBER TO KIND OF SHOW THE RESULTS OF THE ANALYSIS FROM A STUDY TIMELINE.
YOU KNOW, WE BEGAN THIS STUDY.
THIS IS A, A GRAPHIC KIND OF JUST SHOWING WHERE WE, WHERE WE HAVE BEEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2023, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING WITH THOSE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND, YOU KNOW, WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS, AND THEN THE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS AS WELL.
SO OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, WE'RE NOW IN DECEMBER OF 2024 WHERE WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU THE RESULTS OF THE REPORT, THE RESULTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THIS STUDY.
UM, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JEREMY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE APPROACH TO THE STUDY AND HOW WE GOT INTO
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THE, THE ANALYSIS.THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE STUDY WITH YOU.
I WANNA GET INTO SOME OF THE, THE SORT OF TECHNICAL WEEDS HERE.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT IS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND, AND WHAT GUIDED SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STEVE WILL TALK ABOUT.
AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE DID VERSUS WHAT WE DID NOT DO.
THE GOAL HERE WAS TO CREATE ESTIMATED INFRASTRUCTURE IMPACTS AND COSTS OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF GROWTH IN YOUR FUTURE IN THE SIS AND WHAT ARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAPACITY IMPLICATIONS THEREIN.
BUT IT WAS VERY MUCH NOT A PLAN TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT A PREFERRED GROWTH SCENARIO.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT, UH, FUTURE POLICIES.
IT TRULY IS A TOOL AS A GUIDE TO MAKE FUTURE DECISIONS.
UH, IT IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT DESIGNED TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR YOU.
SO TO DO THAT, WE BUILT, WE BUILT A TOOL, WE BUILT AN INFRASTRUCTURE IMPACT TOOL THAT EVALUATES AND, AND ENUMERATES PUTS INTO, INTO NUMBERS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPLICATIONS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF GROWTH, RIGHT? SO, AND IT, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS DESIGNED TO MAKE ESTIMATES, ESTIMATES ABOUT THE FUTURE.
IT'S BUILT WITH ALL SORTS OF ASSUMPTIONS INTO IT.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ANY USER, YOU FOLKS IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE THIS IS A TOOL THAT IS A LEAVE BEHIND FOR YOU, THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS AS YOU SEE FIT, EITHER WITH, YOU KNOW, NEW AND EMERGING, UH, KNOWLEDGE OR INFORMATION, A CHANGE SOMEWHERE IN THE COUNTY IN INTEREST IN DIFFERENT POLICIES OR OTHER IDEAS.
ALL OF THAT IS AVAILABLE IN, IN THIS TOOL.
BUT WE USED IT TO CREATE JUST SORT OF A SERIES OF SCENARIOS TO SEE THE RANGE OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TO START TO GET OUR HANDS AROUND SORT OF THE BOUNDS OF INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, CHANGES THAT COULD, THAT COULD OCCUR IN THIS AREA.
BUT ALL OF THIS IS REALLY WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN MAKE CHANGES TO IT AGAIN, IN THE FUTURE.
RUN A NEW ANALYSIS AND SEE WHAT IT TELLS YOU.
SO WE DID THREE SCENARIOS FOR THIS.
A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN-BASED SCENARIO, WHICH REALLY MEANS SOMETHING LIKE THE THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY.
LET'S EXTEND THAT OUT INTO THE FUTURE, MAKING SURE THAT IT SORT OF MEETS THE, THE, THE BOUNDS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE.
UH, ONE THAT IS MORE MIXED USE LEANING, WHICH IN THIS CASE REALLY MEANS THAT WITHIN THE ENTIRE SIS IT IS MAYBE MORE OF A PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY ALL IN THAT SAME SPACE, NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN THE SAME BUILDING, BUT WITHIN THE SA WITHIN THAT REGION.
AND A THIRD SCENARIO THAT IS MUCH MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LEANING, WHICH REALLY MEANS THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A VERY HEAVY COMMERCIAL FOCUS AS OPPOSED TO A MORE MIXED USE FOCUS.
AND EACH OF THESE IS GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT IMPLICATIONS FOR ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
UH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF MAYBE HELPING GET ONE'S, YOU KNOW, MIND AROUND WHAT THESE DIFFERENT MEAN, UH, IDEAS MEAN.
UH, TIMMONS DID A GREAT JOB OF FINDING COMPARABLES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT ACTUALLY END UP MATCHING THE OUTPUT OF THIS STUDY.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA SHOW THEM TO YOU NOW.
'CAUSE I THINK IT JUST HELPS TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT THIS, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THE PICTURES ARE A LITTLE BIT EASIER SOMETIMES THAN THE WORDS.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EXAMPLE HERE YOU CAN SEE IS VALENTINE CORPORATE PARK IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA.
AND THIS IS JUST A VERY OFFICE FOCUSED, UM, AREA WITH A GOLF COURSE.
IT DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE MORE HOUSING THAN YOUR COMP PLAN WOULD HAVE ALLOWED, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE OF A PLACE THAT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU, YOU HAD A TRENDS EXTENDED, UH, SITUATION HERE IN GLAND COUNTY.
YOU CAN SEE A, A SORT OF BEFORE AND AFTER, UH, SHOT HERE, UH, ON, ON THIS SLIDE.
AND GLAND IS MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THESE.
YOU'VE GOT SOME STUFF BUILT, MAYBE YOU COULD SAY LIKE THE THINGS NORTH OF THAT PARTICULAR HIGHWAY IS, IS MAYBE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE YOUR WEST CREEK CREEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS CONTINUES TO SORT OF SPREAD OUT AS A VERY, SORT OF LIKE CORPORATE, YOU KNOW, PARKING LOT KIND OF, UH, VIEW FROM ABOVE.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE, ANOTHER COMPARABLE THIS TIME FOR A MIXED USE STILL ACTUALLY IN THE GREATER CHARLOTTE AREA, BUT IN SOUTH CAROLINA IN, IN FORT MILL.
UM, THIS IS, UH, UH, GOT A SERIES OF SORT OF VILLAGES, UM, THAT HAVE, THAT INCLUDE LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY KINDS OF ENVIRONMENTS.
I MEAN, THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE SHOWS IT SAY, ALL IN ONE BLOCK.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE, WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING, UH, HERE, BUT IS, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD THEORETICALLY BE, WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A, A WIDER MIX, A WIDER DIVERSITY OF USES IN A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT, A MIXED USE SCENARIO, RETAIL OFFICE, HOUSING, SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPAL SERVICES, ET CETERA.
AGAIN, HERE IN AERIAL, A BEFORE AND AFTER, AGAIN, BOUNDED AROUND AROUND A MAJOR INTERCHANGE LIKE YOU HAVE HERE IN GLAND.
AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, THAT SOME THINGS ARE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCENTRATED IN PLACES HERE.
BUT YOU ALSO DO SEE A BIT OF A SPREAD, PARTICULARLY ON THE HOUSING SIDE.
A THIRD, UH, COMPARABLE NOW FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAD TO GO OUTSIDE OF NORTH CAROLINA.
HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY OUT WEST TO ARIZONA TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WAS A PARTICULARLY GOOD EXAMPLE.
AND EVEN THEN, I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS SORT OF THE NORTHERN PART OF THIS AREA OF CHANDLER AIRPARK,
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WHERE THEIR FOCUS WAS VERY COMMERCIALLY ORIENTED AND INNOVATION DISTRICT FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF COMMERCIAL AND SORT OF ADVANCED COMMERCIAL USES A COMMERCIAL OFFICE DISTRICT.THEY INCLUDED AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
YOU COULD JUST SEE THAT THIS IS WHAT WITH, WITH THEIR, THEIR INTENTION WAS TO CREATE FROM, AGAIN, NOTHING IN 1998 TILL TODAY.
UM, SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOES PROVIDE A LOT OF, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, ALL KIND OF IN ONE, FAIRLY LARGE, LARGE AREA WITH, WITH MULTIPLE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, PARCELS TOGETHER.
OKAY, SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME OF THE IDEAS OF WHAT IT IS THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SORT OF DESIGNED TO DO, IS TO TRY TO EVALUATE THE IMPACTS OF THESE DIFFERENT KINDS OF STYLES.
UH, SO NOW WE HAVE TO GET INTO LIKE HOW THIS IS REALLY DONE.
AND BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING SOME PROJECTIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE, ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE THINGS WE DID NOT WANT TO DO WAS TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PARCELS AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON SOME INDIVIDUAL LOT.
INSTEAD, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT WE'RE CALLING LAND BASE.
THESE ARE MULTIPLE PARCELS ALL TOGETHER, SORT OF AGGLOMERATED TOGETHER FOR SOME PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF PARTICULAR TIE TO EACH OTHER.
MAYBE THEY HAVE SIMILAR, THEY'RE ALL OWNED BY THE SAME LANDOWNER OR THEY'RE BOUND BY THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT THEN WHAT WE CAN DO FROM THERE IS MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE ENTIRE LAND BASE.
SAY IS A, IS A PROPORTION OF THE TOTAL AVAILABLE LAND IN THIS AREA.
SO THE VACANT LAND IN LAND BAY TWO, LET'S SAY, WELL, MAYBE WE WANT THE, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THAT SAY 50% TO BE OF THIS COMMERCIAL USE NUMBER ONE, 30% TO BE COMMERCIAL USE, NUMBER TWO AND 20% TO BE, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO THAT YOU, YOU CAN MAKE KIND OF DETAILED, FOCUSED ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT GROWTH AT A MICRO SCALE WITHIN THIS AREA WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE INDIVIDUAL PARCEL LEVEL DECISIONS WHERE THERE'S LIKE A SOLE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THAT YOU'RE MAKING, YOU'RE THEORETICALLY MAKING DECISIONS FOR, WHICH WE DID NOT WANT TO BE GIVING THE IMPRESSION OF WHATSOEVER 'CAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO SOME MORE OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT GO IN, AS WE GET INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS, I WANNA MAKE CLEAR THAT ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT WE DID WAS INFORMED BY THE FOUR THINGS ON HERE, DISCUSSIONS WITH LANDOWNERS, DETAILED AND ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH STAFF.
UH, IT WAS A VERY COLLABORATIVE PROCESS BETWEEN OUR TEAM AND COUNTY STAFF.
UM, REVIEWS OF EXISTING PLANS AND POLICIES AND ZONING, TRYING TO ALIGN OURSELVES WITH WHAT THE, WITH THE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT OF GLAND COUNTY.
AND THEN AS BEST WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MARKET TRENDS, WE TRY TO DO THINGS THAT, THAT AT LEAST MAKE SOME MODICUM OF SENSE ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE MIGHT, MIGHT BRING FOR GLAND, KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT GLAND, ABOUT VIRGINIA, THE, AND, UH, THE LARGER RICHMOND AREA.
SO NOW IT COMES TO THE PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE TO MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS PLA, HOW THESE PLACES GROW AND HOW THAT'S DONE.
SO TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ARE LAND USE, MIX AND INTENSITY.
LAND USE MIX IS HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL, HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL IN EACH, IN EACH LAND BAY FOR THE PARTS THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL, IS IT SINGLE FAMILY? IS IT MULTIFAMILY? IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, IS IT, YOU KNOW, IS IT RETAIL, IS IT OFFICE, IS IT MANUFACTURING? ET CETERA.
SO WE HAD TO GO THROUGH, SO WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR EACH LAND BAY AND MADE THESE DECISIONS BASED ON THE SCENARIO IDEAL, YOU KNOW, MIXED JUICE ONE VERSUS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ONE.
AND IN THE FUTURE YOU COULD PICK ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER RATIONALE BY WHICH YOU WANNA MAKE THESE DECISIONS ABOUT LAND USE MIX.
AND THEN FOR INTENSITY AS WELL, WE DECIDED FOR THIS PURPOSE, WE'RE BASICALLY BASING IT ON CURRENT DEVELOPMENT TRENDS, LIKE THE SIZES OF BUILDINGS OUT THERE TODAY ARE THE THINGS THAT GUIDE THE SIZES OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE FUTURE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO.
AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD CHANGE IF YOU WANTED TO.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS INVOLVED AS WELL.
MARKET TRENDS AND OUTSIDE FORECAST OF POPULATION GROWTH, IN PARTICULAR AS SORT OF GUIDE RAILS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR GROWTH FORECAST MADE SOME SENSE.
BUT ULTIMATELY, ALL OF THAT IT SORT OF WRAPS UP INTO THEN SAY, OH, WE'VE GOT THIS NEW FORECAST.
WE'VE GOT THIS MUCH AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE'VE GOT THIS MANY NEW HOMES.
WELL, WHAT, SO, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT? SO THEN THE IDEA IS TO TIE THAT GROWTH TO, TO THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPACTS THEREIN.
TO DO THAT, WE USED AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE LOCAL DATA AND LOCAL INTUITION.
SO BY MEANS OF EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE HOW COULD WE MAKE AN ESTIMATE ABOUT HOW MUCH NEW TAX REVENUE IS GENERATED BY THIS MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL OR WHATEVER.
WELL, THAT, THAT IT COMES FROM THE DATA THAT EXISTS TODAY ON, ON ASSESSED VALUES OF COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IN GLAND COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW MANY NEW, UH, WHAT'S THE SORT OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? UH, WHAT DOES IT SAY THAT FIRE AND RESCUE NEEDS TO HAVE, LIKE THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE PER PERSON, PER JOB AS JUST ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE VARIABLES THAT THEY HAVE TO FOCUS ON, BUT THE ONE THAT IS FOCUSED ON INFRASTRUCTURE OR, YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE USE THEIR STANDARD TO DECIDE HOW MUCH SORT OF NEW SQUARE FOOTAGE GETS THE, GETS TAKEN BY THE NUMBER OF NEW PEOPLE, THE NUMBER OF NEW JOBS THAT ARE FORECAST, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UH, SO OFTEN THAT WAS DONE WITH LOCAL DATA.
EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE IT WAS DONE WITH NATIONAL DATA.
LIKE THERE'S A LOT MORE NATIONAL DATA ON THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT GET TAKEN BY A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, OR THE NUMBER
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OF TRIPS THAT ARE GENERATED BY A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL OR WHATEVER.SO IT WOULD USE, YOU KNOW, THESE NATIONAL STANDARDS.
BUT THEN THAT ALLOWS US TO MAKE THIS TRANSLATION FROM, WE'VE GOT AN IDEA OF HOW, HOW BIG A PLACE IS GONNA BE AND WHAT ARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPLICATIONS THEREIN, AND THEN THE CAPACITY IMPLICATIONS THAT RELATE TO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU NOW IS SORT OF THE USER INTERFACE PORTION OF THE TOOL THAT'S BUILT AND IS LEFT BEHIND FOR YOU.
UM, SO WHAT WHAT IT DOES IS THAT WHEN YOU SELECT A PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO, AND, AND THE BUILD OUT EXTENT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT MOMENTARILY, IT PRODUCES THE OUTPUTS OF ALL THE, ALL OF ALL THE THINGS.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT FULL BUILD OUT SCENARIO, FOR EXAMPLE, IT SHOWS IT'S TWO AND A HALF MILLION COMMERCIAL SQUARE, SQUARE FEET, AND IT'S GOT 660 SINGLE FAMILY USE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UH, THEN COMES OR SAY STUDENTS, IN FACT, MAYBE ONE OF THE BEST ONES TO USE AS AN EXAMPLE HERE IS THAT IT, IT ESTIMATES THAT THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THERE'D BE 250 NEW STUDENTS LIVING IN THE SIS.
UM, THE CAPACITY IMPLICATIONS THEN SAYS, WELL, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN FOR THE SCHOOLS? IT MEANS THAT BASED ON THEIR GUIDELINES, THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE SOMETHING LIKE 14 NEW CLASSROOMS SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE SYSTEM.
THAT'S THE CAPACITY IMPLICATION.
IT'S THIS MUCH AMOUNT OF NEW ANNUAL TAX REVENUE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND THIS TOOL IS JUST DESIGNED, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CLICK, YOU CLICK ON ONE, UH, ON THE DROPDOWN MENU, AND YOU CAN MOVE IT TO LIKE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO AND NEW, THE NEW FIGURES APPEAR.
YOU CAN SWITCH THE BUILD OUT EXTENT, WHICH MEANS, YOU KNOW, UH, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS MOSTLY IF YOU BUILT OUT THE ENTIRE AREA, BUT THAT DOESN'T ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE.
MAYBE YOU WANNA LOOK AT MAYBE INTERIM POINTS IN TIME, UM, AS PART OF YOUR PLANNING PROCESS, IT ALLOWS FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO YOU CAN MAKE THAT KIND OF CHANGE.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK TO STEVE TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE, THE FINDINGS AND THE IMPLICATIONS THEREIN IN, RIGHT? SO AS WE GET INTO THIS, AS JEREMY JUST SAID, WE ARE LOOKING AT 90% BUILD OUT OF EACH OF THESE SCENARIOS.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT YEAR, THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, EVEN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, RIGHT? IF, IF EACH OF THESE SCENARIOS WERE TO DEVELOP AT 90% OF WHAT THEIR CAPACITY OR THEIR POTENTIAL IS, THIS IS WHAT THIS WOULD RESULT.
THIS, THESE ARE THE RESULTS OF THIS.
AND SO FIRST, WHAT ARE WE PROJECTING AS FAR AS LAND USE? SO IF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT STANDS TODAY, IF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS FORECASTED THERE OR PLANNED FOR THERE WOULD HAPPEN, WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT 4.3 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.
UH, THAT'S A MIX OFFICE, RETAIL, PRIMARILY OFFICE.
UM, AND IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW FOR 110 NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, NO NEW MULTIFAMILY HOMES OR APARTMENTS WITHIN THAT.
IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT MAYBE THAT MIXED USE SCENARIO, UM, THINGS CHANGE A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? THE, WE'RE LOOKING AT 2.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT'D BE MORE OF A MIX OF RETAIL, MORE OF A MIX OF, OF THAT SORT OF THINGS.
AND THEN WE OPEN UP FOR 660 HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND 2100 MULTI-FAMILY HOMES IN AND AROUND THE AREA.
WHAT ABOUT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO? MAYBE THERE'S MORE INDUSTRIAL, MAYBE THERE'S MORE, UM, JOB CREATION IN THIS AREA, IT'S KIND OF, WE WOULD GET TO 4.3 MILLION SQUARE FEET, 220 HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY, AND 770, UM, MULTI-FAMILY HOMES IN THERE.
THEN I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, USE BY USE OR INFRASTRUCTURE NEED BY, BY NEED TO KINDA LOOK AT EACH OF THESE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
SO FROM A ROADWAY STANDPOINT, UM, THE COMP PLAN WOULD BE RESULT IN ABOUT 28,000 NEW TRIPS TO THE SYSTEM.
AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE SYSTEM, THIS IS NOT ON ANY ONE ROAD, THIS IS NOT ALL ON PATTERSON, THIS IS NOT ON ALL ON ROUTE 2 88.
IT IS JUST IN AND AROUND THAT AREA OF THE CIRCLE.
UM, SO WE KNOW FROM OUR EXISTING ANALYSIS, THERE'S ABOUT 20,000 VEHICLES PER DAY CAPACITY REMAINING IN THIS AREA.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WOULD GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL 8,000, WHICH IS ABOUT THE NEED FOR TWO ADDITIONAL LANES OF CAPACITY IN AND AROUND THE AREA.
AS A RULE OF THUMB, YOU CAN HANDLE 10 TO 12,000 VEHICLES PER DAY ON A TWO LANE ROAD SECTION, AND I MEAN, ONE IN EACH DIRECTION, RIGHT? NOT TWO IN EACH DIRECTION, ONE IN EACH DIRECTION, AND GET ABOUT 10 TO 12,000.
NOW, THE MIXED USE SCENARIO, AGAIN, WOULD CREATE MORE HOMES, MORE RETAIL, MORE JOBS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GENERATE 94, ALMOST 94,000 TRIPS PER DAY, OR 74,000 BEYOND THE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY GENERATING THE NEED FOR SIX TO EIGHT LANES OF ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IN AND AROUND THE AREA.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO FALLS IN BETWEEN 68,000 TRIPS, 48,000 OVER EXISTING CAPACITY.
SO FOUR TO SIX LANES, UM, OF, OF NEW, UH, A NEW CAPACITY WOULD BE NEEDED WHEN IT COMES TO SCHOOLS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF YOU RECALL, HAD 110 HOUSES, RIGHT? SO VERY LITTLE IN THE FORMS OF NEW STUDENTS.
SO ABOUT 40 NEW STUDENTS WOULD BE GENERATED BY THE COMP PLAN AT 90%, UM, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEED FOR THREE ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS. UM, I'LL NOTE THAT THE CLASSROOM SIZE, WE WORKED WITH THE SCHOOLS TO KIND OF WHAT THEIR, THEIR GOAL IS.
IT'S DIFFERENT BETWEEN ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE, AND HIGH SCHOOL.
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OF THE AGGREGATE OF ALL OF THOSE.MIXED USE SCENARIO WOULD GENERATE 250 STUDENTS OR 14 CLASSROOMS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, 80 AND FIVE FROM A FIRE AND RESCUE STANDPOINT.
I'LL NOTE RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT THE WEST CREEK STATION THAT IS PLANNED FOR THIS AREA HAS, HAS ALWAYS BEEN, THE GROWTH IN THIS AREA HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT NEW, NEW, NEW STATION, AND CONTINUES TO BE SO UNDER BOTH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO THAT WEST CREEK STATION IS BEING PLANNED FOR WILL ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF THOSE SCENARIOS.
AND THE MIXED USE SCENARIO, DEPENDING ON HOW IT DEVELOPS THAT NEW FACILITY WILL STILL BE NEEDED.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME ADDITIONAL NEED AS WELL, UH, FOR MORE, FOR MORE CAPACITY IN THAT AREA.
AND THAT'S PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY THE, THE INCREASE IN HOMES FROM A WATER AND SEWER OUTPUT STANDPOINT.
YOU'LL LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS THAN IN, IN A MINUTE.
FROM A TOTAL CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM, WE HAVE ADEQUATE CAPACITY FOR ANY OF THE SCENARIOS FOR BOTH WATER AND SEWER.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL NEEDS THAT ARE NEEDED, BUT FROM AN AMOUNT OF GALLONS PER DAY OF WATER THAT WE CAN BE, CAN BE PROVIDED OR TREATED FROM THIS AREA, THERE IS AN OVERALL ADDITIONAL CAPACITY THERE.
UM, THE BIG CAVEAT TO THIS, AND REALLY THE ROADS AS WELL, IS WE WILL NEED, IT WILL NEED TO BE PLANNED FOR EXTENSIONS TO SOME OF THE PARCELS, SOME OF THE LAND BASE IN AND AROUND THE AREA AS THEY DEVELOP FROM A TAX-BASED STANDPOINT.
UM, USING, AGAIN, THE LOCAL DATA JEREMY WAS TALKING ABOUT, THESE ARE ANNUAL TAX REVENUES.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WOULD GENERATE, YOU KNOW, 6.3 MILLION, UM, IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
THE MIXED USE WOULD BE 3.9, AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO WOULD BE $12 MILLION ANNUALLY.
OKAY, SO NOW THIS IS A, A BIG CHART KIND OF SUMMARIZING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
UM, SO WHAT ARE THE, UH, THE PLANNING LEVEL COSTS FOR EACH OF THE SCENARIOS? UM, WE'VE GOT LOCAL DATA ON, ON COSTS AND LINEAR FEET FOR ROADWAYS AND WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS.
I'LL NOTE THAT THE WATER SYSTEM, UM, THE, THE UPDATE TO THEIR PLAN THAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS CALLING FOR A TANK, A BOOSTER, AND SOME CONTROLS IN THIS AREA TO THE TUNE OF $12.4 MILLION.
THAT IS CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL SCENARIOS.
UM, AGAIN, THERE'S OVERALL, UM, CAPACITY FOR THESE OUTSIDE OF THE ADDITIONAL LINES THAT NEED TO BE EXTENDED DIGITAL PARTIALS.
UM, SO THEN IF WE LOOK AT THE ROADWAYS, RIGHT, THE, THE TWO LANES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE COMP PLAN IS TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $26 MILLION.
THE SIX TO EIGHT THEN, YOU KNOW, GOES UP TO 78 TO 104.
AND THEN THE FOUR TO SIX IS IN THE, THE 50 TO 70, 78 RANGE.
UM, FROM A SCHOOL STANDPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE USING THE, AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OF ABOUT 450 STUDENTS.
UM, I'LL NOTE THAT WHEN THIS WORK WAS DONE, UM, IT WAS PRIOR TO SOME OF THE REDISTRICTING THAT HAS OCCURRED.
AND SO RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WAS NEARING CAPACITY.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT HAS AN, A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL CAPACITY HAS BEEN OPENED UP THERE.
UM, SO REALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT ANY ADDITIONAL, IF RANDOLPH WAS AT CAPACITY, ANY ADDITIONAL STUDENTS WOULD REQUIRE THE NEED FOR THE NEW SCHOOL, UM, TO THE TUNE OF $50 MILLION.
UM, AND THEN FIRE AND RESCUE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $13 MILLION FOR THAT NEW FACILITY.
AGAIN, THAT'S ALREADY NEEDED AND JUSTIFIED THROUGH ANY GROWTH IN THIS AREA.
UM, IN THAT MIXED USE SCENARIO, IT WOULD GO, UM, THAT PLUS PERHAPS SOME MORE AS WELL.
SO WHAT ARE THE CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THIS REPORT? I'M GONNA GO AGAIN, INFRASTRUCTURE BY INFRASTRUCTURE HERE AND THEN SOME BROAD ONES.
FROM A TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT, THE COUNTY SHOULD BEGIN TO PLAN FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO DATE LANES WITHIN THE STUDY AREA THROUGH AN UPDATE TO THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UM, THOSE NEW ROADWAYS, THOSE THAT ARE PLANNED AND CONSTRUCTED SHOULD SEEK TO PROVIDE INTERCONNECTIVITY TO ALL PARCELS AND LAND BASE AS, AS AVAILABLE.
THAT MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN MEASUREMENT, SORRY, THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATES SHOULD BUILD UPON THE PRINCIPLES ESTABLISHING THE CURRENT PLAN SUCH AS LIMITING HOCK ROAD TO TWO LANES WITH SAFETY AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, ONE OF THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY IS THAT THE INTERSECTION OF PATTERSON AND RIVER ROAD HAS AN EXISTING CRASH HISTORY THAT SHOULD BE EVALUATED FOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
UM, THE DETAILS OF ALL OF THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THE, IN THE LARGER STUDY, FROM A WATER AND SEWER STANDPOINT, UM, LINES WILL NEED TO BE EXTENDED TO THE PARCELS COMPRISING THE LAND BASE.
UM, AND THERE SHOULD BE A, A FEASIBILITY OF EXTENDING THOSE LINES.
AS THESE PARCELS AND LAND BASE DEVELOP SCHOOLS NEED TO BEGIN PLANNING FOR THREE TO 14 NEW CLASSROOMS, AGAIN, FOR THAT FULL 90% BUILD OUT.
WE'RE NOT SAYING THOSE ARE NEEDED TODAY.
ANY OF THESE ARE NEEDED TODAY.
IT'S ALL LOOKING OUT TO THAT FUTURE.
UM, AND AGAIN, BASED ON THE NUMBERS WE HAD BEFORE, THE EXISTING RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS NEARING CAPACITY AND THE COUNTY SHOULD BEGIN PLANNING FOR A REPLACEMENT.
UM, AND THIS IS, I KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT THOSE ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS WILL REQUIRE TEACHERS, SERVICE, PERSONNEL,
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SUPPLIES, OPERATING COSTS, THOSE SORT OF THINGS AS WELL, UM, FROM A FIRE AND RESCUE STANDPOINT, THAT NEW WEST CREEK STATION WILL BE NEEDED.AND THE LOCATION DESIGN SHOULD BE PLANNED FOR IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE, SHOULD THE MIXED USE SCENARIO TO BE DEVELOPED, THERE MAY BE SOME, A NEED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.
AND AGAIN, LIKE SCHOOLS, IT WILL ALSO REQUIRE FULL-TIME, EMERGENCY PERSONNEL, EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES, EYES FROM AN OVERALL STANDPOINT.
THEN SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, AGAIN, WE DIDN'T STUDY THESE AS PART OF THIS, THE, THE, THESE WEREN'T NECESSARILY PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THESE ARE SOME OTHER, UM, LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THIS.
UM, AS JEREMY SPOKE ABOUT A LOT, WE NEVER WERE, THE POINT OF THE STUDY WAS NOT TO ISSUE A PREFERRED SCENARIO, BUT THE COUNTY SHOULD CONSIDER A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE FOR THE AREA TO IDENTIFY THE LAND USES MOST DESIRABLE, BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY.
UM, THE COUNTY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A HIGH LEVEL ANALYSIS OF THE DIFFERENTIATED AND UNANTICIPATED CONSEQUENCES THAT USES MAY CREATE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES.
WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT? ONE OF THE BEST EXAMPLES IS DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING CREATE DIFFERENT NEEDS ON ROADWAYS, SCHOOLS, FIRE AND RESCUE, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, OLDER AGE RESTRICTED UNITS DON'T IMPACT SCHOOLS, BUT THEY DO IMPACT FIRE AND RESCUE.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME OF THE DIFFERENTIATED AND UNANTICIPATED CONSEQUENCES.
ANY DEVELOPMENT SHOULD WITHIN THE SIS AREA SHOULD BE REVIEWED AT A HIGH LEVEL TO ANALYZE IF THOSE IMPACTS ARE IN LINE WITH THE EXPECTED IMPACTS.
SO AS INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS COME IN INDIVIDUAL REZONINGS, THEY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AS A HIGH LEVEL ON HOW THIS WILL IMPACT THE ENTIRETY OF THE AREA.
UM, THE COUNTY SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER THIS TYPE OF ANALYSIS WHEN EMBARK ON OTHER LAND USE STUDIES IN THE COUNTY.
UM, IN THE MEANTIME BE UNTIL A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE IS DONE, THE RESULTS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SCENARIO SHOULD BE USED FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT UNTIL SUCH A TIME AS A LAND USE PLAN IS UPDATED, RIGHT? THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR ALL OF THOSE USES NOW.
AND SO UNTIL THAT TIME, IF IT COMES, THEN AN UPDATE IS PROVIDED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THOSE SHOULD STILL BE CONTINUED TO BE USED FOR THOSE PLANNING PURPOSES.
UM, FROM A CAPITAL'S FACILITIES PLANNING STANDPOINT, THE COUNTY SHOULD REVIEW, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL CAPITAL FACILITIES PLANS TO MAKE SURE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE KEEPING PACE WITH AGENCY REQUIREMENTS.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED THROUGH THIS IS THAT SOMETIMES THAT WASN'T ALWAYS THE CASE.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE USING THE, THE MOST RECENT AGENCY REQUIREMENTS, UM, IN THAT.
AND THEN THE COUNTY SHOULD ALSO STUDY OTHER NEEDS FOR THIS AREA, SUCH AS A COUNTY PARK OR REMOTE SHERIFF FACILITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
NOT INCLUDED IN THIS STUDY, BUT COULD BE SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD, LOOK TOWARDS IN THE FUTURE.
SO WITH THAT, I KNOW WE PRESENTED A LOT OF INFORMATION TO YOU, UM, THE STUDY, WHICH I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN, HAS A LOT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UM, WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
AND, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS? UM, THIS MAYBE ISN'T SO MUCH A QUESTION AS IT IS IN A STATEMENT OF APPRECIATION.
UH, THIS, THIS TRULY WAS THE SAUSAGE FACTORY AND, UH, THE, THE, THE PUBLIC MEETINGS I THINK WERE WELL ATTENDED AND THERE IS A HIGH DEGREE OF INTEREST.
UM, MY HOPE IS THAT THERE WILL BE A ADDITIONAL PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE RESIDENTS TO HEAR THIS ABBREVIATED, UM, OR PERHAPS THE EXTENDED VERSION OF IT.
BUT I SO APPRECIATE YOU FOLKS, UH, MAKING THE COMMITMENT.
I UNDERSTAND WE PAID YOU FOR IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE WAS AN ENERGY AND AN ENTHUSIASM THERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD HAVE BOUGHT IT WAS TRULY SINCERE.
AND ALSO APPRECIATE YOU ACCOMMODATING MY, UM, VAPOR LOCK MOMENTS WITH MY BRAIN WHEN I WOULD MISS A MEETING OR SO, SO, UM, ME A CULPA ON THAT.
BUT YOU GUYS REALLY DID, UH, BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE.
AND I'LL SELF CONFESS, WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS, I THOUGHT THIS IS SOMETHING THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD BE DOING RATHER THAN THE COUNTY.
AND, UH, I WANTED THAT TO GO ON THE RECORD.
UH, THIS WAS, UH, A, A GOOD INVESTMENT, I BELIEVE, OF COUNTY RESOURCES TO GIVE US A PLANNING TOOL.
AND SINCE I'M A GEEK, I LOVE THAT TOOL THAT WE CAN GO IN AND MONKEY WITH IT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WORTH THE PRICE OF ADMISSION.
BUT THANK YOU GUYS VERY, VERY MUCH.
OF THE, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE CIRCLE AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SOMEWHAT QUADRANTS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT, AND THAT WOULD BE BOUNDED BY PATTERSON AVENUE 2 88.
THAT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND ACRES.
IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? YEAH, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.
AND, AND I KNOW YOU LOOKED AT THE WHOLE THING, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS, THAT WAS FULLY DEVELOPED UNDER THOSE THREE SCENARIOS.
DID, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE DUMPED ON,
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UH, I GUESS, UH, IN THE, UM, THE NORTH CORNER THERE, 2 88, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE IN THIS AREA OR? YEAH.SO LET ME ANSWER THAT IN A COUPLE WAYS.
ONE, I MEAN, JUST HAVE A FEELING FOR IT.
DO YOU? WELL, IT, IT, IT DEPENDS HIGHLY ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY PROPOSED AND DEVELOPED IN THAT AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY, WE LOOKED AT IN THERE'S LAND BASE AS A WHOLE, AND SO WE CAN GIVE YOU THAT LAND BAY, IF IT WAS COMP PLAN, MIXED USE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHAT THE OVERALL TRAFFIC WOULD BE.
UM, BUT I, I CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU AN A AN ESTIMATE FOR THAT UNTIL WE WOULD KNOW HOW THAT WOULD DEVELOP.
NEEDLESS TO SAY, IT WOULD, UNLESS OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE FORM OF ROADS WERE PUT IN THERE, WHICH WOULD GAIN ACCESS TO PATTERSON OR H ROAD, IT WOULD BE A, A BIG, UH, TRAFFIC DUMP IN THAT CORNER.
Y YEAH, FROM A LAND BASED STANDPOINT, YEAH, THAT LAND BAY WILL GENERATE TRAFFIC THAT WILL NEED TO BE ACCOMMODATED ON A, ON A LOCAL STREET SOMEHOW.
UM, AND THE REASON WE STAYED IN THE LAND BAY AREA, NOT INDIVIDUAL PARCELS IS THAT'S REALLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THOSE PARCEL OWNERS AS THEY SEEK TO DEVELOP THEIR PARCEL OR ASSEMBLAGE OF PROPERTY TO WORK OUT THAT ACCESS, RIGHT? THIS WAS NEVER INTENDED TO DRAW A NEW LINE ON A MAP TO SAY A ROAD SHOULD GO HERE OR A ROAD SHOULD GO THERE.
IT WAS REALLY KIND OF JUST LOOKING AT THE OVERALL CAPACITY AND WHAT WILL NEED TO BE PLANNED FOR IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WITHIN INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTS AS THEY COME FORWARD, THEY LOOK AT THEIR IMPACTS AND THEIR IMPACTS ALONE.
SO YOU'VE GOT SAY, A FIVE ACRE PARCEL RIGHT HERE AND WHAT ARE THEIR IMPACTS AND HOW ARE THEY GONNA BE ACCOMMODATED? UM, THE, THE GOAL OF THIS STUDY WAS KIND OF LOOK OVERALL AND SAY, WHAT IS, IF THIS ENTIRE AREA DEVELOPS, WHAT KIND OF NEEDS WOULD WE, UM, WOULD, WOULD COME OUT OF THAT? AND THAT'S KINDA ONE, ONE OF THE CONCLUSIONS WAS THAT INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE EVALUATED, UM, TO SEE HOW THEIR, SEE THEIR IMPACTS.
OF COURSE, MULTIPLE DEVELOPED, I MEAN SURE.
SO I WASN'T SINGLING OUT JUST IN GENERAL.
I MEAN, IT'S A THOUGHT, IT'S PROBABLY AN UNFAIR QUESTION FOR ME TO ASK 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU DIDN'T STUDY THAT SPECIFIC, BUT YEAH, AND I CAN'T ANSWER THAT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT RIGHT.
AN INDIVIDUAL ASSEMBLAGE OF PARCELS WAS, WAS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP.
UM, EVEN WITHIN OUR, SAY OUR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT WE LOOKED AT RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, RETAIL ALL OVER THOSE AREAS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PORTION THERE THAT, THAT INDIVIDUAL AREA WOULD WANT TO DO.
SO I DON'T, TRAFFIC'S VERY DIFFERENT FOR EACH OF THEM.
YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, NEEDLESS SAY IT BE SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT.
AND DO YOU MIND, SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN NOW DO WITH, WITH THIS TOOL THAT'S BEING LEFT BEHIND IS YOU COULD GO INTO THOSE INDIVIDUAL LAND BAYS OH, REALLY? AND YEAH.
AND THEN MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IDEA YOU HAVE IN MIND ABOUT WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT, THAT NORTHWEST CORNER WOULD BE.
YOU WOULD JUST CHANGE THE LAND USE TYPES WITHIN THOSE LAND BASE AND IT WOULD GENERATE THOSE NEW NUMBERS FOR YOU.
UH, BEHIND THE SCENES OF THAT, LIKE GENERALIZED USER INTERFACE.
THERE ARE LAND BAY BY LAND BAY SUMMARIZATIONS OF A LOT OF THIS DATA.
AND SO YOU COULD GO IN AND JUST SEE, OH, THIS IS THE NEW, THIS IS THE NEW AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS ASSIGNED TO THE USES THAT WE ALLOTTED INTO THE RELEVANT LAND BASE.
SO YOU, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH WHATEVER STYLE YOU WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN, AT LEAST AS LONG AS YOU KEPT IT GENERAL, LIKE OFFICE RETAIL, ET CETERA.
SO, BUT IF YOU KNEW THE SQUARE FOOTAGES AND THINGS, YOU COULD PUT IT RIGHT IN.
SO OUR STAFF CAN REALLY UTILIZE THAT, OUR PLANNING STAFF.
YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S THE HOPE, THAT'S THE HOPE THAT THIS BECOMES MAKING FUTURE DECISIONS EVEN IN INDIVIDUAL CASES.
IF, IF, IF NOTHING ELSE, AT LEAST A, AT LEAST A GENERALIZED, UH, GUIDEPOST, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL PRIVATE DEVELOPER THAT'S GOT A VERY DETAILED PLAN, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SORT OF, UH, PREFERABLE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN WE, BUT ALL THE SAME.
THIS IS STILL A GOOD WAY TO START TO GET A, GET A SENSE OF WHAT YOU MIGHT BE, WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT BE COMING TO THE TABLE WITH FOR YOU.
AND THEN THIS IS JUST A, A, A TOOL THAT YOU COULD REFINE IN ADVANCE OVER TIME IF YOU, IF YOU FELT THE NEED.
SO Y'ALL'S WORK ON THIS TRULY LIVES ON, I MEAN, IT'S, THAT'S THE HOPE.
AND THAT IS, THAT IS THE DESIRE, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE, THE LEAVE BEHIND IS, IS A STATIC REPORT, BUT THEN ALSO A TOOL, AN EXCEL BASED TOOL THAT STAFF IN THE COUNTY CAN USE IN THE FUTURE.
YEAH, I JUST HAD A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
SO IN THE PRESENTATION YOU SAID THAT, UH, SOME OF THE MODELS HAVE SHOWED EXPANDING TO EIGHT LANES TRAFFIC, THAT'S ACROSS MULTIPLE ROADS, CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY, YES.
THAT IS ENTIRELY, THAT IS UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES DID WE SAY THAT PATTERSON AVENUE SHOULD THEN BE 12 LANES IN EACH DIRECTION OR HOCKEY ROAD OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S DONE LIKE ALL OF THIS, BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING A GLOBAL LOOK AT THIS WITHIN THE STUDY AREA,
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THERE WILL NEED TO BE EIGHT LANES OF TRAFFIC SOMEWHERE IN THOSE SCENARIOS.COULD BE TWO HERE AND TWO THERE, FOUR HERE, FOUR THERE.
AND THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL, UM, DEVELOPMENTS AS THEY COME IN TO KIND OF HELP PLAN THAT.
APOLOGIZE IF THAT WASN'T CLEAR.
I HAVE, UM, A MINIMUM OF FOUR QUESTIONS.
THEY START EASY AND THEY GET HARDER.
UM, THE FIRST ONE, SO FIRST OFF, I, JUST TO COMMENT ON, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
I WASN'T SURE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUDIES FROM SMALL AREA PLANS AND THIS WOUND UP BEING EXACTLY WHAT WE HOPED IT WOULD, WHICH WAS A, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT OUR CAPACITY AND, AND WHAT GIVES US POTENTIAL.
UM, MY, AND I DO ALSO LOVE THE TOOL.
MY QUESTION ABOUT THE TOOL IS, UM, ARE WE ABLE TO, I IMAGINE THERE ARE ASSUMPTIONS IN THE BACKGROUND THAT ARE DOING THE CALCULATIONS.
ARE WE ABLE TO, UM, UPDATE THOSE ASSUMPTIONS AS THINGS GO? SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN IN AREAS LIKE WITH OUR PROFFER MODELS THAT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS PEOPLE DON'T, UH, THAT MOVE IN THE, THE AMOUNT OF KIDS THAT GO TO SCHOOLS, OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS MAY CHANGE.
SO THE, THE IDEA IS THAT WE, OH, IS YOUR TOOL
THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A SERIES OF TABS IN THERE, AND ONE OF THOSE IS A LIST OF ASSUMPTIONS.
AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ASSUMPTION IS THERE IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES GENERATE 10 TRIPS PER DAY.
WELL, IF THAT NUMBER CHANGES IN THE FUTURE TO FOUR, WE CAN CAN CHANGE THAT.
WE'RE GONNA LEAVE BEHIND STAFF WITH THE TOOL, BUT ALSO KIND OF A CHEAT SHEET OR LIKE A GUIDE TO HOW TO CHANGE THOSE THINGS, USE THOSE THINGS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THE NEXT QUESTION IS PROBABLY FOR STAFF.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS BEING PRESENTED TO US TO, UM, TO APPROVE THE REPORT.
UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS WHAT STAFF HAD HOPED TO SEE AND HOW, HOW DO, HOW DID, HOW WHAT, JUST TELL US WHAT YOU THINK.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, YES, IT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAD HOPED TO, UM, TO, TO COME OUT OF THIS STUDY.
SO, UM, FOR THOSE OF US WHO WERE PART OF THE SMALL AREA PLAN FOR CENTERVILLE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CONTINUED TO HEAR FROM THE CITIZENRY WAS, WELL, THAT'S GREAT.
WE'RE PROPOSING THIS DEVELOPMENT.
HOW WILL IT IMPACT THE COUNTY? AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TOOL HAS GIVEN US THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY BE, TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO YES, IT, IT HAS EXCEEDED MY, UH, EXPECTATIONS.
THAT BEING SAID, IS THIS TOOL AVAILABLE ONLY FOR STAFF OR CAN DEVELOPERS USE THIS AS WELL AS THEY'RE PLANNING THEIR PROJECT? YEAH, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, WE HAVE DISCUSSED, I MEAN, IT'S OUT THERE THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE, UM, HAD ACCESS TO PLAY WITH IT AS WELL.
I MEAN, IT REALLY ACTUALLY COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SHARE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND THE IMPACTS TO BE.
UM, LEMME GET TO THAT ONE LAST.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS NOW ACCEPTING THIS, WHICH I'LL GET TO IN A SECOND.
UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PLAN GOING FORWARD? UM, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THIS TOOL? YOU KNOW, WE JUST SAW RECENTLY, UH, WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY THIS YEAR ON A STUDY TO STUDY ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC STUDIES.
SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS OUR PLAN TO NOT HAVE US STUDYING THE STUDY AGAIN? LIKE HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA IMPLEMENT THIS AND PUT THIS INTO ACTION? SO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO, UM, THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT DO COME OUT OF THE STUDY IN THE EVENT.
WE DO GO THROUGH A ANOTHER, UM, AREA, UH, PLAN.
WE COULD USE THIS AS, UM, UNDERSTANDING IF WE'RE SUGGESTING LAND USES WHAT THE IMPACTS OF THOSE LAND USES COULD BE.
AND THEN WE COULD, UM, ULTIMATELY PLAN THROUGH THAT THROUGH OUR CAPITAL BUDGETING.
UM, ALSO IF WE, UM, GET AN APPLICATION FROM, UM, A DEVELOPER, IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THEY ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE RIGHT INFORMATION FOR, WE CAN THEN SHARE THAT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD AND HELP GIVE YOU THE TOOLS TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS AND TO BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR THOSE DECISIONS.
YOU'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE LATTER PART,
UM, THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, AND I DON'T WANT TO LIKE BE A KILLJOY HERE, BUT I WAS REALLY CONCERNED WHEN I SAW HOW OFF THE NUMBERS FOR THE SCHOOLS WERE IN SO MUCH, AND OF COURSE THINGS CHANGE, BUT THE, ONE OF THE MAJOR RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUTTA THIS STUDY IS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY RIGHT AWAY, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT THE CASE.
UH, I TALKED TO A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER LAST NIGHT.
UH, RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY HAS GOTTEN RID OF THEIR TRAILERS THIS YEAR FOR THE FIRST TIME.
THEY HAVE PLENTY OF CAPACITY AS WE HEARD.
SO HOW, HOW, HOW DO WE UPDATE? I JUST DON'T WANT THIS SITTING ON THE SHELF AND SOMEBODY GO, WELL, HEY, Y'ALL NEED TO BUILD A SCHOOL RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE THIS STUDY SAYS, SO HOW, HOW COULD WE ACCEPT THE REPORT THAT WE KNOW IS WRONG?
I CAN REFER TO THE, UM, CONSULTANT AS TO HOW WE GOT TO THAT NUMBER.
BUT AS WE HAD MENTIONED, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADJUST AS WE FIND THAT THE, UM, THE CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CHANGED OR PERHAPS
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THE FINDINGS THAT WE ORIGINALLY ASSU THE ASSUMPTION WE ORIGINALLY HAD HAD CHANGED, WE COULD ACCOMMODATE IT IN THAT MANNER.I CAN, I CAN ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION.
IT'S BECAUSE THE, THE NUMBERS WERE TAKEN BEFORE THEY DID THE OH, MOVING OF THE SCHOOLS.
SO RANDOL LOOKS LIKE IT HAS 4 57 STUDENTS WHEN IT'S REALLY IN THE THREE HUNDREDS.
MY QUESTION IS, THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT RANDOLPH NOW.
I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE ACCEPTING A REPORT THAT HAS THAT RECOMMENDATION IN IT.
UM, PERHAPS, UH, THAT CAN BE, UH, PART OF THE MOTION, SOME CLARIFICATION THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT SHOULD BE UPDATED ACCORDINGLY OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES MIGHT BE, UH, GIVE YOU ALL SOME MORE COMFORT.
AGAIN, I'M ASKING 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
MS. MCGEE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT?
UM, YES, MR. RO, UH, WOULD THE WORD RECEIVE A LIE, THOSE FEARS AS OPPOSED TO WE RECEIVE THE REPORT AS OPPOSED TO ACCEPT IT? THAT'S TRUE.
BUT UH, AS LONG AS NOBODY'S GONNA SAY YOU NEED TO BUILD A NEW SCHOOL TOMORROW, YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO.
SO I, I'M LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, GOING TO HAPPEN.
THAT'S A REASON WE HAD COMPARABLE SITUATIONS IN THERE.
SO YOU CAN VISUALIZE WHAT MIGHT BE SO TO, TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK.
ONE OF THE NICE THINGS IS TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND SAY, CAN WE GET EDITS HERE? CAN WE WORK WITH TIMMONS WHO WE'VE DEVELOPED A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH, TO CONTINUALLY BE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE, I THINK ALLOWS US TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE A STATEMENT THAT WE RECEIVE THE REPORT, WE ARE ACCEPTING OF IT BECAUSE IT HAS THAT DYNAMIC CAPABILITY AND IT IS FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES.
THIS IS, SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE CAN ACCEPT THE REPORT BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE PURPOSES OF THIS STUDY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING OUT OF IT.
AND JUST FOR FRAME OF REFERENCE, I'M REFERRING TO THE SMALL AREA PLAN FOR, UM, FOR, FOR THE COURTHOUSE WHERE WE TOOK THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE STARTED TO DO ACTIONS BASED ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THIS IS MORE OF ACCEPTANCE OF THE TOOL AND THE FINDINGS AT THE TIME.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT, IS THAT'S GREAT.
WE HAVE A SET, A SMALL PORTION OF THE ACREAGE OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND THERE WILL BE THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THIS TOOL IN OTHER ENDEAVORS.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING, YEAH, THIS IS A, THIS, THIS ITEM LIVES IN JUST A SMALL PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT, IT DOES HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS WE WOULD'VE TO PASS ON THOSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT PASSING ON THE RECOMMENDATION.
THERE, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT, THAT WOULD BIND HIGH OR OBLIGATE THE COUNTY TO DO ANY PARTICULAR ANYTHING.
JUST LIKE ANY THIRD PARTY RECOMMENDS THINGS TO LOOK INTO, THIS IS WHAT TIMMONS HAS DONE, PROVIDED TO US.
WELL, I I DO WANT TO ADD ONE THING.
UM, I DID, I, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED, BUT I DO WANNA STRESS, THIS IS AN OUTSTANDING LEAVE BEHIND TOOL.
THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE, UM, WE WILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
I DO WANT TO HAVE BE ON THE RECORD SAYING THIS, UH, 'CAUSE TIM HAS TOLD ME THIS LAST, I'M SORRY.
I DO, I DO WANNA BE ON THE RECORD FOR SAYING THIS BECAUSE TIMMONS DID REFERENCE THIS IN OUR LAST STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING.
WE ARE AT THE FOREFRONT OF COUNTIES OF OUR SIZE LOOKING AT A STUDY OF THIS NATURE.
WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO, UH, WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING, UH, WE ARE LEADING IN THAT REGARD.
SO I JUST WANT TO GET VERIFICATION THAT TIMON FEELS THAT WAY.
AND I WANNA COMMEND THE BOARD AND STAFF IN PARTICULAR.
WE ARE UNAWARE OF ANYONE ELSE IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
AND PERHAPS FURTHER OUT OF DOING A STUDY LIKE THIS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FOR ECONOMIC FOR A DIFFERENT AND HOW IT WOULD IMPACT YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, THIS IS THE, THIS IS A UNIQUE STUDY IN OUR MR CHAIRMAN.
UM, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO REGISTER COPYWRITER TRADEMARK THIS AND SHRINK WRAP IT? I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY.
YOU MAKE THIS AS A REVENUE SOURCE.
I, I MEAN, I'M SAYING THAT WITH SOME JOCULARITY, BUT I KNOW WE USE TISHLER B, WHICH IS A, UH, PROFFER TOOL.
AND I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO LOUISA OR NOTTAWAY COUNTY OR HALIFAX SAYING FOR X DOLLARS AND RESIDUALS, THEY WILL PUT YOUR PICTURE ON THE WRAPPER.
ONE QUESTION I DID HAVE THOUGH, SERIOUSLY, IS DOES STAFF HAVE A DESIGNATED USER? IS SOMEBODY FULLY TRAINED ON THIS AND KNOWS? OKAY, THERE YOU GO.
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THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A HELPLINE BURNING UP ALL THE TIME SAYING THAT.WHAT DO YOU DO WITH CELL NUMBER 17 X OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WELL, AND, AND, AND LET ME BE CLEAR, AS, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE DEVELOPED A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH COUNTY STAFF AND THE BOARD THROUGH THIS.
THIS IS A, A PROJECT THAT WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT AND VERY PROUD OF.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HELP THE COUNTY IN THE FUTURE ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND WE WANT THIS TOOL TO LIVE ON.
WE WANT THIS TO BE A USEFUL THING FOR THE COUNTY IN PERPETUITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE OUR NUMBERS, LIKE WE WOULD LOVE TO HELP OUT.
CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU ALL, UH, SINCE MR. SPOON NOW BROUGHT IT UP AND IT WAS A MOVING TARGET.
WE, WE REDISTRICTED THE SCHOOL FOR THE ELEMENTARY STANDPOINT.
COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND GET THAT CORRECTED AND YES, ABSOLUTELY.
UH, I'LL LEAN ON YOU ALL FOR THE MATTERS OF HOW THAT WORKS MECHANICALLY, BUT I'M HAPPY TO UPDATE THE DOCUMENT THAT WE MOVED, WE MOVED IT ON YOU, IT WAS CONNECTION WITH THE NEW ELEMENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PUT A AS AMENDED IN DECEMBER DATE ON IT OR SO.
WE'LL WORK WITH YOU ALL ON THAT.
BUT ABSOLUTELY NO, WE WANT THIS TO BE ACCURATE.
WITH ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE RECEIVE THE REPORT AS PRESENTED BY, UH, TIM'S GROUP SECOND.
UM, LET ME JUST CLARIFY IF I COULD, FOR YOUR BOARD MEMBERS, THERE'S A RESOLUTION IN YOUR PACKET.
AND, UM, SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY, YOU'RE CHOOSING NOT TO USE THE RESOLUTION, BUT TO MAKE A SIMPLE MOTION OR, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BECAUSE THAT THANK YOU COUNSELOR.
I, I WOULD, UH, RESCIND WHAT I MISSPOKE AND, UH, READ, UM, AND, AND USE THE LANGUAGE THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE.
AND THAT IS, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD, UM, I GOTTA MAKE SURE I DON'T READ 'EM ALL HERE.
UH, ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION, ACCEPTING THE SOUTHEASTERN INFRASTRUCTURE STUDY.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU.
DOES THAT, BASED ON WHAT MR. WINFREY AND, AND OUR PARTNERS HAVE SAID, DOES THAT NEED TO BE AS AMENDED? BECAUSE NO AMENDED IF THE, IF UM, IF THE, IF IT IS THE BOARD'S WISH THAT THIS BE ACCEPTED WITH AN AMENDMENT REFERENCING RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY, THAT WOULD, UH, THAT'S NOT IN THE MOTION AS OF RIGHT NOW.
DOES IT NEED TO BE, I AGAIN, IT'S PROCEDURAL.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD IF GO BACK MR. LYLE'S AMENDMENT, OR SORRY, A MOTION, COULD YOU RESTATE THE MOTION? IF, IF, IF MY SECONDER WILL ALLOW ME TO DO IT? I'LL HAVE, YES.
UH, UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD, UM, ADOPT, UH, THIS RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE SOUTHEASTERN INFRASTRUCTURE STUDY WITH, UH, DISCUSSED AMENDMENTS.
AGAIN, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE ENTIRE TEAM.
NOW, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE APPOINTMENTS, UH, WE WILL GO BACK TO CHIEF 0.4 IN OUR REPORTS PACKET.
UM, YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET THE MONTHLY FIRE REPORT.
HOWEVER, THIS AFTERNOON I WILL ASK CHIEF FERGUSON TO INTRODUCE
[4. Fire Rescue Report - November/December]
TO US THE CHIEF AND DEPUTY, DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE CHARLES CITY COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT TO SHARE WITH US A MESSAGE FROM CHARLES CITY COUNTY.GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, EDDIE FERGUSON, FIRE RESCUE CHIEF.
UM, IT'S MY HONOR THIS AFTERNOON TO INTRODUCE TO YOU, UH, VERY GOOD FRIEND OF FRIENDS OF MINE AS ESTEEM COLLEAGUES AS WELL FROM CHARLES CITY COUNTY FIRE AND EMS. UM, YOU KNOW, CHARLES CITY COUNTY DOES NOT, UH, PHYSICALLY TOUCH GLAND, BUT IT TOUCHES GLAND, UH, IN OTHER WAYS.
UH, THE CHARLES CITY COUNTY FIRE AND EMS IS VERY MUCH A PART OF THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION.
AND WE MEET ON A REGULAR BASIS SHARING IDEAS, UH, BENCHMARKING AND HELPING EACH OTHER, UH, WHEN WE CAN.
AND SO, UH, AT, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU, UH, THE CHARLES CITY COUNTY FIRE CHIEF, UH, JIMMY JOHNSON.
JAMES JOHNSON AND HIS DEPUTY CHIEF, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF BRIDGERS.
AND THEY HAVE A, UH, A MESSAGE THEY WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS ADMINISTRATION, CITIZENS OF CHARLES CITY ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, MR. BYRON ATKINS, THE CHAIRMAN AND OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MS. MICHELLE JOHNSON.
I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR DONATION OF YOUR
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TANKER, YOUR SECOND TANKER TO CHARLES CITY COUNTY.UM, I HAD A FEW LITTLE THINGS I I WANTED TO READ OFF THE PAPER, BUT I THINK I'M GONNA SKIP THAT NOW AND JUST READ STRAIGHT FROM THE HEART.
UM, CHARLES CITY COUNTY'S FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE CAREER DEPARTMENT WAS STARTED IN 2018.
WE HAD TWO ENGINES, A TANKER AND A BUILDING.
UM, AS OF TODAY, AND BECAUSE OF YOUR HELP AND DONATIONS, WE NOW HAVE WE TWO ENGINES, THREE AMBULANCES, TWO FIRE STATIONS, TWO TANKERS, UM, AND 21 EMPLOYEES.
AND THE TANKER THAT YOU DONATED, THE TWO TANKERS THAT YOU DONATED ARE INVI TO CHARLES CITY COUNTY.
'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, YOU ARE RURAL AREAS AS WE ARE.
TIME AND DISTANCE IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE.
SO WITH THAT TANKER THAT YOU GUYS DONATED TO US, WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A TANKER ON THE E EASTERN END OF THE COUNTY IN THE WESTERN COUNTY, END OF THE COUNTY, WHICH HELPS TREMENDOUSLY.
SO ON BEHALF OF OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISOR, OUR EXECUTIVE STAFF, THE CHARLES CITY COUNTY FIRE AND EMS DEPARTMENT, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
WE APPRECIATE YOU AND HOPEFULLY ONE DAY WE'LL BE ABLE TO RETURN THAT FAVOR TO YOU GUYS.
CHIEF JOHNSON AND CHIEF BRIDGERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, ON THE REPORT? UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER 'EM FOR YOU, BUT I KNOW THE REPORT'S IN THE PACKET, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO APPOINTMENTS.
UH, THE BOARD IS NOW REQUESTED TO CONSIDER THE APPOINTMENT OF SUSAN EDDY TO THE
[3. December Appointment]
SOCIAL SERVICES BOARD, FULFILLING THE UNEXPIRED TERM OF ANN CASEY, EFFECTIVE, DECEM EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 3RD, 2024 THROUGH MAY 31ST, 2027.DO I HAVE A MOTION? OH WAIT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
ANY DISCUSSION, MR. DISCUSSION? NO.
I, I WOULD SAY, AS YOU TYPICALLY DO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS TO REALLY SAY A THANK YOU TO THESE CITIZENS WHO STEP UP.
UH, THESE BOARDS ARE NOT GLAMOROUS, BUT THEY ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE FABRIC OF GLAND COUNTY.
AND, UM, BOTH MS. CASEY, WHO IS, UH, LEAVING THE BOARD AND MS. EDDI WHO'S JOINING IT, UH, REALLY DO GET A VOTE OF APPRECIATION FROM US.
IT'S, IT'S JUST PART OF BEING PART OF GLAND.
THANK YOU, MR. WELL, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
WE WILL NOW ENTER A CLOSED SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING THE PERFORMANCE AND DUTIES OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
[XII. Closed Meeting: In accordance with the provisions of Virginia Code § 2.2-3711(A)(1), I move that the Goochland County Board of Supervisors convene in Closed Meeting for the purpose of discussing the performance and duties of the County Attorney and County Administrator.]
DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT? MR. CHAIRMAN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF VIRGINIA CODE 2.2 DASH 37 11 A ONE, I MOVE THE UCHIN[1. Motion to enter a Closed Meeting for the purpose of discussing the performance and duties of the County Attorney and County Administrator, as permitted by Virginia Code § 2.2-3711(A)(1). Certification at the Conclusion of the Closed Meeting.]
COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE ENCLOSED MEETING FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING THE PERFORMANCE AND DUTIES OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.DO I HAVE A SECOND? MR. CHRISTIE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WITH THAT WE WILL ADJOURN AND MOVE.
UH, WE WILL RECONVENE AT OUR 6:00 PM MEETING.
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THE CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING.
UH, SINCE I HAVE MADE A MOTION, CAN I GET A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.
ANY DISCUSSION? MR. CARPENTER, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE.
WITH THAT THE MOTION PASSES, WE WILL RE WE WILL CLOSE THIS SESSION AND RECONVENE AT 6:00 PM I NOW ADJOURN.
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I COULD HAVE YOUR ATTENTION RATHER THAN, THAN PEOPLE HAVING TO STAND, WE HAVE A FEW SEATS LEFT UP FRONT AND THERE'S AN OVERFLOW ROOM WITH MONITORS.AND IF YOU WISH, WHEN YOU WANNA MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS, IF YOU WANNA MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME IN HERE AND MAKE THE COMMENTS.
BUT WE'LL NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE ROOM'S CAPACITY.
'CAUSE WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
SO WE DO HAVE EMPTY SEATS STILL, BUT AT SOME POINT WE MAY HAVE TO ASK PEOPLE TO GO JUST ACROSS THE HALL.
BUT AGAIN, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME IN HERE TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
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SUPERVISORS MEETING WITH A PRESENTATION FROM GLAND PET LOVERS ON ITS EDUCATION INITIATIVE WITH THIRD GRADERS TEACHING KINDNESS ANIMAL WELFARE PROGRAM, MR. RICHARD VERLANDER WILL PRESENT, PRESENT IT'S CHRISTMAS TIME.GOOD EVENING, AND THANKS FOR HAVING US.
[1. Report by Goochland Pet Lovers on its education initiative with Third Graders “Teaching Kindness” Animal Welfare program.XVII. Public Hearing:]
VERLANDER.I'M VICE CHAIR GLAND PET LOVERS, UH, PRESENTING WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE OUR SECOND REPORT TO YOU GUYS.
UM, AT OUR INITIAL MEETING, UH, WE, WE TALKED WITH THE BOARD ABOUT JUST ABOUT GLAND PET LOVERS GENERALLY.
AND, UH, OUR INCEPTION, HOW WE CAME TO BE BY PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY TO RAISE A MILLION AND A HALF BUCKS TO BUILD THAT BEAUTIFUL NEW ANIMAL SHELTER.
TOM WINFREY, YOU WERE A BIG PART OF THAT.
UM, AND SO TODAY WE ARE EVOLVING MORE INTO A PROGRAM ORIENTED TYPE ORGANIZATION.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M REALLY HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY IS ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS. BUT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION A COUPLE OF OTHERS.
L'OREAL MEDICAL FUND, WHICH, UH, BASICALLY IS A FUND THAT'S, UH, FOR MONEY FOR MAYOR DONORS, SUPPLEMENTS THE COUNTIES FUNDS, AND IS ABLE TO HELP THE SHELTER, UH, TO PROVIDE MEDICAL SERVICES THAT PROBABLY ORDINARILY A COUNTY SHELTER WOULD NOT BE ABLE ABLE TO PROVIDE.
WE HAVE SOME GREAT SUCCESS STORIES.
UH, OUR GOOD NEIGHBOR OUTREACH, WHICH SOME OF YOU MAY BE AWARE OF OR SOME MAY NOT, HELPS THOSE IN NEED TO PROVIDE THEIR ANIMALS AT HOME WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH, WITH HEALTH, WITH VACCINATIONS, WITH CHIPPING WITH MANY THINGS THAT MAY BE DUE TO WHATEVER LIFE CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, THEY WOULD NOT ORDINARILY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE.
UM, IT'S A COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
IT ALSO HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY SUCCESSFUL AND IS MANNED TWICE A MONTH BY GLAND PET LOVERS VOLUNTEERS.
AND THERE ARE TWO VETERINARIANS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ON OUR BOARD AND ON STAFF AT THE SHELTER.
I AM HERE TODAY TO TELL YOU ABOUT OUR TEACHING KINDNESS ANIMAL WELFARE PROGRAM.
UM, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF, UM, IN OUR, IN OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY SCHOOLS.
A FEW YEARS AGO, WE, WE MET WITH SEVERAL OF THE SCHOOLS.
AND BASICALLY OUR APPROACH IS WHAT CAN WE DO AS AN ORGANIZATION TO HELP YOU DO WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING? WE DON'T WANT TO BRING ANY EXTRA WORK.
WE DON'T WANT TO BRING ANY EXTRA FORMS TO FILL OUT OR OR BOXES TO CHECK.
YOU'RE ALREADY DOING A GREAT JOB.
SO THE IDEA WAS BORN, OUR FIRST PARTNERSHIP WAS WITH RANDOLPH.
THIS WOULD BE THREE YEARS AGO NOW.
AND, UH, WE HAD A WONDERFUL PROGRAM THERE, UH, WORKING WITH, UH, UH, FIFTH GRADERS, UH, GLAND, YOUTH UNITED PROGRAM.
UM, AND WE WERE ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR THE WORK WE DID THERE LAST YEAR.
WE EMBARKED UPON WHAT TURNED OUT TO BE A PILOT PROGRAM, ALTHOUGH AT THE TIME WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A PILOT PROGRAM,
UM, AND SO FOR A PERIOD ABOUT, UH, SIX WEEKS OR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE WOULD GO EVERY WEEK AND VOLUNTEERS FROM OUR BOARD, UM, WOULD, WOULD JUST SIT DOWN WITH THE KIDS AND TALK ABOUT ANIMAL WELFARE AND ALL DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT COME UNDER THAT.
AND, AND PART OF THE FUN FOR THIS FOR US IS, AND I THINK FOR THE TEACHERS TOO, UH, WE'RE NOT PROFESSIONAL EDUCATORS.
MOSTLY THIS IS COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT JUST HAVE AN ABIDING LOVE FOR ANIMALS AND FOR KIDS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DO AT THE SHELTER.
WE TALK ABOUT, UH, ALL ASPECTS OF, OF, OF ANIMAL WELFARE.
AND SO OUT OF THAT CAME THE CONCEPT THAT WOULD LATER BECOME KNOWN AS TEACHING KINDNESS.
WHAT WE LEARNED, UM, DURING THIS TIME WAS THAT THERE IS IN PLACE A SECOND GRADE PROGRAM FOR THE SCHOOLS CALLED LEARN TO SWIM.
THERE IS A FOURTH GRADE PROGRAM, WHICH IS FIRE SAFETY FIFTH GRADE PROGRAM.
BUT THERE WAS NO THIRD GRADE PROGRAM PER SE.
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WAS BORN AND WE SAT DOWN WITH SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR AND SORT OF PITCH THE IDEA, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT US FORMALIZING THIS? AND CREATING A THIRD GRADE PROGRAM CALLED TEACHING KINDNESS BASED ON WHAT WE EXPERIENCED AT GLAND ELEMENTARY LAST YEAR.AND RANDOLPH THE YEAR BEFORE, IT WAS WARMLY EMBRACED BY THE ADMINISTRATION, EVEN THOUGH I DID HAVE TO CHASE DR.
KUMAR DOWN IN A PARKING LOT, UH, TO, TO GET HIS GO AHEAD.
BUT, UH, ULTIMATELY WE GOT IT.
AND, UH, SO WE JUST COMPLETED THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT AT, UH, GLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THE, IT'S CULMINATED, IT'S A SIX WEEK PROGRAM, AND IT WAS CULMINATED BY A VISIT TO THE SHELTER.
UH, SO, UH, IT, IT REALLY, REALLY WENT WELL.
WE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN MORE PLEASED WITH IT.
MY MY BOARD AND MY GROUP WILL TELL YOU I HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING ANYTHING IN 10 MINUTES.
SO
UM, BUT, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, WE WORKED WITH THE SCHOOLS PARTNERED ON OUR AFTERSCHOOL SUMMER PROGRAM TO BRING IN, UH, BASICALLY, UH, BRING A PROGRAM TO THE KIDS THAT REALLY SORT OF ILLUSTRATED ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ACTUALLY OUR, OUR SECOND SESSION WITH THE TEACHING KINDNESS, WHICH YOU HAVE THE, THE BOOKLET IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, TALKS ABOUT TEAMWORK AND USES ANIMALS OF AN EXAMPLE.
UH, BASICALLY IT'S, UH, MY WIFE AND I DID A BOOK A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO CALLED THE SHELTER GANG AND THEIR SECRET ADVENTURE.
AND IT'S ABOUT DOGS AND CATS AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER SNEAK OUT AND PLAY A SECRET GAME OF BASEBALL TOGETHER EVERY NIGHT.
SO, UH, BUT WHAT WE TRY TO EMPHASIZE THERE AND WITH THE CHILDREN IS THAT IT TAKES ALL TYPES TO MAKE A TEAM.
WE TALK ABOUT HOW EACH INDIVIDUAL CHARACTER ON THE TEAM, LIKE THERE'S A, A BASSETT HOUND IN, IN OUTFIELD 'CAUSE HE HAS A NOSE FOR THE BALL.
THERE'S A LABRADOR RETRIEVER AT FIRST THERE.
AND ALL OF THEM ARE BASED ON REAL PEOPLE PLACED HIS THINGS AND PETS EITHER AT THE SHELTER OR IN OUR LIVES.
SO WHEN WE TALK TO THE KIDS, WE TALK ABOUT HOW EVERYBODY, INCLUDING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU KIDS, HAS SOMETHING UNIQUELY SPECIAL ABOUT YOU, SOMETHING THAT WE ALL ARE GOOD AT, AND SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN BRING TO THE TEAM AND WE'LL BRING TO THE TEAM.
SO, UH, WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND JUST TO SORT OF EMPHASIZE IT, WE HAD THIS AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM WHERE WE IN FACT BROUGHT IN DOGS, CATS, ALL DIFFERENT ANIMALS, AND WE BROUGHT IN SERVICE DOGS.
WE PARTNERED WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BROUGHT IN, UM, THE, THE, UH, SEARCH AND RESCUE DOG BROUGHT IN THE POLICE DOG.
WE HAD A VISIT FROM SWINE KNOT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU EVEN KNEW WE HAD A, A PIG, UH, SANCTUARY IN GOOCHLAND, BUT AS IT TURNS OUT, WE DO.
WE HAD, UH, FRIENDS FROM DEEP RUN HUNT CLUB, BRING IN HORSES.
WE HAD, UH, EXOTIC ANIMALS COME IN.
AND NOW WE'VE PARTNERED WITH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY KNEW WE HAD A GLAND ZOO.
APPARENTLY WE HAVE A GLAND ZOO.
SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY TAKING OFF AND IT'S BEEN REALLY EMBRACED BY THE KIDS.
AND, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.
UM, AS I SAID, WE COMPLETED THE PROGRAM AT BIRD, UM, AND JUST UPCOMING, WE ARE REALLY EXCITED.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ANIMAL CAMP NEXT SUMMER.
UH, WE'VE MET WITH PARKS AND REC AND, UH, ONE OF THE COUNTY'S OFFERINGS IS GONNA BE AN ANIMAL CAMP.
AND SO MANY OF, MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE DID WITH, WITH RESPECT TO BRINGING IN DIFFERENT PRESENTERS, UM, WE MET WITH ACTUALLY SOMEBODY THAT'S IN THE SEARCH AND RESCUE BUSINESS TODAY.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT AND JOIN OUR TEAM AND BE PART OF THAT.
SO WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND, AND ULTIMATELY, AND, AND JUST IN CLOSING, UM, I, I THINK, UH, SOME OF US, I KNOW AT LEAST ONE PERSON ON THE BOARD THAT LIKES QUANTIFIABLE RESULTS.
UM, AND IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THIS REALLY DO? MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT THE SHELTER VISIT, THE LAST ONE WE HAD, THE LAST SESSION, A LITTLE BOY GOT OFF THE BUS AND WALKED UP AND SAID, CAN I HAVE A HUG? AND TO ME IT WAS JUST KIND OF A, ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU KIND OF FEEL LIKE MAYBE JUST MAYBE ONE KID AT A TIME.
UH, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE THINGS, WHICH REALLY, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANIMAL WELFARE IN SCHOOLS, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT EMPATHY AND KINDNESS AND, AND, AND TOGETHERNESS.
AND MAN, OH MAN, IT'S LIKE COMMUNITY BUILDING REALLY.
UH, I WOULD SAY THAT NO MATTER HOW CONTENTIOUS, I KNOW THESE BOARD MEETINGS WOULD NEVER GET CONTENTIOUS, BUT, UH, I GUARANTEE YOU, IF IT DID
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BRING A KID AND A PUPPY IN THE ROOM MM-HMM,AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY A VERY REWARDING THING THAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROGRAM AND I, AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, OUR OUR VOLUNTEERS, OUR SCHOOLS FIRST OF ALL ARE WONDERFUL.
KATHY AND I VISITED A LOT OF SCHOOLS AROUND THE AREA WITH OUR BOOK.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, GLAND SCHOOLS ARE FIRST RATE.
WE'VE GOT GREAT FOLKS AND WE ARE DOING ALL THIS WITH VOLUNTEERS, UH, ON OUR COMMITTEE THAT JUST ARE REALLY, REALLY LOVING THIS.
AND WE HOPE TO, TO BUILD UPON IT.
SO, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT ON OUR EDUCATION COMMITTEE, AND, UH, NEXT TIME YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT OUR GOOD NEIGHBOR OUTREACH.
THANK YOU, MR. OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, RICHARD, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU AND YOUR WIFE KATHY, BUT WHAT ALL YOU'VE DONE FOR GOOSE AND PET LOVERS OVER THE YEARS AND, AND I'M JUST DELIGHTED TO SEE IT CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND, AND, UH, BY THE WAY, CAN YOU GO GET A PUPPY?
UM, SO WE WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
EACH SPEAKER MUST GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS.
PLEASE SPEAK SLOWLY, PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND, UM, CITIZENS ARE REMINDED THAT THE COMMENT
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SHOULD BE ABOUT ITEMS NOT COVERED BY THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEING HELD.UH, TONIGHT COMMENTS SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL AND NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES IN LENGTH.
SHOULD MULTIPLE CITIZENS WISH TO HAVE A COMMON SPEAKER, THEY MAY CEDE THEIR TIME IN TWO MINUTE INCREMENTS, UP TO A TOTAL ALLOTTED TIME OF 10 MINUTES PER BOARD'S RULES OF PROCEDURES.
SECTION 3.2, A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME INTENDED TO NOT BE MORE THAN ONE HOUR IS ALLOCATED FOR THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT PERIOD.
AND I REITERATE THIS IS FOR PEOPLE NOT HERE FOR TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING.
SEEING NONE, I WILL NOW CLOSE THE FLOOR.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, ORDINANCE 6 2 1 4 AMENDMENT APPLICATION BY HHHH
[XVII. Public Hearing:]
HUNT MOSAIC, LLC REQUESTING A PROFFER AMENDMENT TO ADOPT A NEW CON CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR 7.513 ACRES AT THE INTERSECTION OF MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD,[1. District 5 - RZ-2024-00009 Application by HHHunt Mosaic, LLC requesting a proffer amendment to adopt a new conceptual plan for 7.513 acres at the intersection of Mosaic Creek Blvd. and Broad Branch Dr. and the addition of three (3) lots on Tax Map No. 58-54-0-4-0. The property was part of proffered conceptual plans previously approved with cases RZ-2017-00001 and RZ-2017-00001A. The property is zoned Residential Planned Unit Development (RPUD) with proffered conditions. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Prime Economic Development.]
MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD, AND BROAD BRANCH DRIVE.AND THE ADDITION OF THREE LOTS.
THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS RAY CASH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
AS YOU, UH, JUST SHARED, THIS IS IN DISTRICT FIVE.
IT IS A PROFFER AMENDMENT RELATED TO THREE LOTS.
UM, ON 7.513 ACRES ON THE LEFT, YOU'LL SEE OUR, UH, THIS IS THE VICINITY MAP WHERE THE RED CIRCLE IS.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IS GENERALLY IN THE SOUTHEASTERN, UH, PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
ON THE RIGHT IS AN OUTLINE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, THE ZONING MAP ON THE LEFT DEMONSTRATES THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED RPUD.
UH, TO THE NORTH THERE IS AN M1 PIECE, UM, AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING, UH, WEST CREEK PROPERTIES ARE M1 AND, UH, TO THE, GENERALLY THE SOUTHWEST IS AN A TWO PARCEL, UH, THIS ENTIRE AREA.
UM, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED PRIMARY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO, AS REFERENCED, THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU IS REZO WITH PROFFERS FOR 7.513 ACRES.
PROFFER ONE INCLUDES, UH, THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WOULD BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE PROFFERED CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT'S DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN.
UH, THE PROFFER ALSO FURTHER PRECLUDES DEDICATION OF ADDITIONAL RIGHTS OF WAY OR ROAD CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROPERTY.
PROFFER TWO STATES THAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE, UH, ORIGINAL PROFFERS OF THE MOSAIC CREEK CREEK DEVELOPMENT BEFORE.
AGAIN, THAT'S RZ 20 17 0 0 0 1, AND THE SAME NUMBER WITH AN A AT THE END.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS REZONED WITH THE RPD ZONING IN, UH, 20 17 0 0 0 1.
AND IT WAS APPROVED WITH, ORIGINALLY WITH 15 PROFFER CONDITIONS.
THERE WAS A LATER PROFFER AMENDMENT, WHICH NOW HAS THE A AT THE END OF THE NUMBER THAT MODIFIED PROFFER EIGHT.
AND THAT RELATED TO DENSITY TO INCLUDE A CHANGE TO A MIX OF THE SINGLE FAMILY AND, UH, AND TOWNHOUSE UNITS THAT THE PROPERTY HAD ORIGINALLY AND BUT REDUCED THE OVERALL DENSITY TO 508, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
EACH OF THOSE ZONING APPROVALS DID INCLUDE PROFFERED CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
THERE WERE THREE CONCEPTUAL PLANS PROVIDED WITH THOSE CASES THAT SHOWED THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM,
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AS UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY WITHIN THOSE CONCEPTUAL PLANS.I PROVIDED THOSE HERE UP ON THE SCREEN.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, I'VE TRIED TO OUTLINE IN THE PURPLE BOX TO FOCUS ON EXACTLY THAT PART OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THOSE PLANS THAT CAME FORWARD WITH THE REZONINGS.
EACH OF THEM DO SHOW THE PROPERTY UNDEVELOPED.
I WOULD NOTE IN THE ONE ON THE LEFT, THERE'S A RED CIRCLE, UM, AROUND, AND THAT'S REALLY THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, BROAD BRANCH ROAD AND, UH, MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD.
A LOT OF DISCUSSION LEADING UP TO THE CASE AND THE NIGHT OF THE HEARING.
UH, REGARDING TO THAT, THAT'S AN AREA THAT, UM, OF COURSE INCLUDED, UM, A LITTLE BIT IN THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT.
SO THERE IS CONFERENCE AS A REFERENCE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY AS BRING, BRING PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
SO WHAT DO WE MEAN BY PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? THERE, THERE'S THE AREAS THAT WE CONSIDER CRITICAL COMPONENTS OF THE COUNTY'S.
UH, LONG-TERM ECONOMIC FOUNDATION INCLUDES AREAS THAT ARE GENERALLY AT STRATEGIC LOCATIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY, AND IT'S PLACES WHERE WE EXPECT TO HAVE SUPERIOR TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS AND UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, LAND USES THAT COME FORWARD IN THAT DISTRICT.
WE, WE EXPECT THOSE TO BE, HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE COUNTY'S TAX BASE, UH, SHOULD BE USED AS THAT SERVED A TRACK AND RETAIN CORPORATE INVESTMENT GENERATE JOBS AND EXPLAIN AND DIVERSIFY THE COUNTY'S TAX BASE.
UM, STAFF RECOGNIZED THAT THIS, THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT COMPLY WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DID PREVIOUSLY APPROVE A MOSAIC WEST CREEK DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND DID INCLUDE CERTAIN PROFIT CONDITIONS AND CONCEPTUAL PLANS AS WE REFERENCED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, BUT PROFFER ONE, AS IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, PRECLUDES ACCESS FROM THE EXISTING TRANSPORTATION NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S, UM, TO THE ADJACENT PRIMARY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPERTIES, GENERALLY TO THE SOUTH AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SO WHAT IS THIS ACCESS? UH, PRECLUSION DO, WELL, IT IN HERS INHIBITS.
FURTHER DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITHIN THE AREA UP ON THE SCREEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UH, AGAIN, DEMONSTRATING MOSA AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
UM, THE ACCESS POINT WOULD GENERALLY BE THROUGH FROM THIS PROPERTY OUT TO, UM, BROADBAND DRIVE.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS TWO DIFFERENT IMAGES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNFORTUNATELY ALLOWS A LITTLE BLURRY, SO THESE IMAGES DON'T COME THROUGH AS CLEAR AS WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING IS GENERALLY PRIMARY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE AREAS, UM, SORRY, ALONG HOCKET ROAD ARE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOAD DENSITY.
UH, SO PART OF THE, THE CONCEPT REALLY FOR THE PRIMARY ECONOMIC FILM AREA IN THIS, UM, USES IN THIS AREA IS AGAIN, TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE MAJOR TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS THAT ARE AGAIN, PART OF THE 2 88 WEST CREEK, UH, DEVELOPMENT AREA.
ZOOMING OUT A LITTLE BIT JUST TO SHOW THE ZONING FOR THE BROADER AREA, UM, ALONG THIS LINE IS HOCKET ROAD.
THIS IS PATTERSON AVENUE AND OF COURSE, WHERE RETURNS TO RIVER ROAD WEST 2 88 CENTRAL HERE.
SUBJECT PROPERTY IS, UM, WITHIN THE RED CIRCLE HERE IN THE CENTER.
AND THIS IS BROAD BRANCH DRIVE THAT GOES OUT AND CONNECTS TO WEST CREEK PROPERTY, UH, WEST CREEK PARKWAY, CERTAINLY ABOUT A HALF MILE FROM THE INTERSECTION OF, UM, A LITTLE OVER HALF MILE FROM THE INTERSECTION OF MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD OUT TO WEST CREEK PARKWAY.
SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES HAVE A REQUIREMENT UNDER ORDINANCE CONNECTIVITY, UM, CONDITIONS UNDER ACCESS MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE THAT TALKS ABOUT WHEN A PRO PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF BUTTS LAND SUITABLE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OR A FUTURE PHASE AND SUSTAIN DEVELOPMENT, SUB OUTS SHOULD BE PROVIDED THAT DEEMED NECESSARY BY THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO A ABUTTING PROPERTIES OR TO EXTEND A ROAD NETWORK INTO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
UM, SO AS WE CONSIDER THE WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS CALLS FOR, WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTIES WITHIN THE AREA ARE LARGE AND, UM, POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENTS BASED UPON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STAFF WOULD LOOK FOR AND EX, UM, EXPECT THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONNECTION TO THOSE PROPERTIES TO EITHER THE PROPERTY OR THE ADJACENT ROAD NETWORKS.
HOWEVER, UM, THIS IS A CONDITION OF ZONING.
THE PROFFER THAT IS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT DOES SEEK TO AMEND THAT, UH, AMEND THAT CONDITION.
UH, SO THIS PROFFER ONE WOULD MODIFY THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND PRECLUDE ACCESS TWO OR THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
THERE WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A MEETING ON NOVEMBER 21ST, UH, PRIOR TO THE HEARING STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECEIVED ABOUT 130 EMAILS OF SUPPORT IN THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
WE ALSO HAD HAD A LARGE CITIZEN MEETING PRIOR TO THAT COMMUNITY MEETING THAT HAD ABOUT 120 ATTENDEES.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID WELCOME APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION BY FIVE ZERO VOTE.
WE HAD SIX CITIZENS SPEAK IN SUPPORT
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AND ONE SPOKE IN OPPOSITION NOTED CONCERNS WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THE FUTURE CONNECTION TO THE VITAL CONNECTOR.UM, THIS WAS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE BOARD HEARING, WE DID RECEIVE TWO LETTERS WITH AN EMAIL AND RELATED POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AND OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.
I BELIEVE THAT'S BEEN SHARED WITH THE BOARD.
WE ALSO RECEIVED ADDITIONALLY SIX EMAILS IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
SO QUICKLY, JUST LOOKING AT THE PROFFERS AS WE HAVE 'EM UP HERE ON THE SCREEN, I'VE GIVEN A SUMMARY OF WHAT THEY ASKED FOR.
AGAIN, THEY'RE, UM, IT WOULD BE ANY DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE THREE LOT CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED.
UM, THE EXPECTATION AS THE PROPERTY GOES FORWARD, WE'D EXPECT A TENTATIVE PLA TO COME FORWARD.
PLAN DEVELOPMENT, POTENTIALLY EACH OF THOSE SHALL BECOME CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS THERE'S A CLEAR, UM, ADDITION TO THE PROFER THAT TALKS ABOUT NO ADDITIONAL ROAD RIGHTS OF WAY SHALL BE DEDICATED AND NO ADDITIONAL ROAD SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO AGAIN, THAT WOULD SPECIFICALLY AMEND THE PROVISIONS, UH, OUTLINED FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND THEN THE SECOND PROFFER IS JUST IN REFERENCE THAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE ORIGINAL MOSAIC CREEK DEVELOPMENT.
PROFFERS, OF COURSE, STAFF'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION BOARD.
ANY QUESTIONS TO THIS SIDE, MR. ROSS? UH, MR. CASH ON, I THINK IT WAS SLIDE 12.
DID YOU SAY THERE WERE SIX EMAILS IN FAVOR OF THIS? 'CAUSE MY EMAIL BOX GOT A LOT MORE THAN SIX.
WELL, THE, OR THE ORIGINAL PLANNING COMMISSION RECEIVED 130 EMAILS, UM, FOR THAT.
I'M SORRY, HOW MANY? WE RECEIVED OVER 130 FOR THE ORIGINAL PLANNING COMMISSION REQUEST.
THAT'S MORE LIKE WHAT I WAS SAYING.
YEAH, WE HAD LESS THAT CAME IN THE SECOND TIME.
UM, AND THEY CAME IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO I THINK SIX IS ON THE LOW NUMBER, BUT THERE WERE, UM, THERE WERE ADDITIONAL EMAILS IN SUPPORT.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MR. CASH, YOU USED THE WORD PRECLUDE, WHICH MEANS PREVENT MM-HMM.
SO, UH, IN CONVERSATIONS ON WEDNESDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, UH, WITH, UH, MR. HAMPSHIRE AND MS. SHERRY WAS ON THE CALL WITH ME, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE LAND CAN STILL BE ACCESSED EITHER FROM ROUTE SIX OR ROUTE 6 23.
SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY IT PRECLUDES IT OR JUST MAKES IT DIFFERENT? WELL, IT WOULD PRECLUDE, UM, THE WAY THAT THE PROFFER DOES, IT PRECLUDES ACCESS THROUGH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO BROADBAND DRIVE, WHICH IS PART OF THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S PART OF THE MTP AS WELL AS THE, THE CON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO IT WOULD PRECLUDE ACCESS THROUGH THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY? CORRECT.
DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO SAY ANYTHING? YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, YEAH.
MR. CARPENTER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MY NAME IS HANS KLINGER.
I'M WITH THE APPLICANT, HH HUNT, WHO IS THE DEVELOPER OF, OF MOSAIC.
UM, MR. CASH DID A GOOD JOB OF, UH, PRESENTING THE CASE.
AND, UM, I'M GONNA REHASH A LOT OF THE SAME INFORMATION MAYBE, BUT I'M GONNA GO INTO A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE INTO SOME OF THIS AND HOPEFULLY PAINT A BETTER, UH, A BIGGER PICTURE OR MORE DETAILED PICTURE OF, UH, OF THE CASE.
SO I WAS ON THE TEAM IN 2018 THAT GOT THE ORIGINAL ZONING, UH, DONE.
UM, I WAS NOT THE SPEAKER AT THE TIME, BUT I WAS ON THE TEAM AND WAS PRESENT HERE.
SO, AS MR. CASH STATED OUT, UM, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED M1, WE ZONED IT TO RPUD, WHICH WAS, UH, KIND OF CONTROVERSIAL AT THE TIME.
WE WERE TAKING PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY AND MAKING IT RESIDENTIAL.
UM, WE PROFFERED 520 HOMES, AGE RESTRICTED, UM, AND WE HAD MR. CASH SAID THREE SET CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
UH, EARLY ON IN THE DESIGN, YOU DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, UH, LOTS ARE EXACTLY GONNA GO BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DESIGN DONE.
SO WE PROFFERED THREE PLANS THINKING ONE OF, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE IS GONNA BE, UH, BE THEM.
UM, AND AT THE TIME THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, THE SAME TOPIC WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
UM, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A WRITTEN PROFFER SAYING WE WERE GONNA CONNECT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROFFER THAT SAID WE WERE, WE'RE NOT GONNA CONNECT EITHER.
SO THOSE ARE THE PLANS THAT WE, UH, PRESENTED.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE TRIED TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF SORT OF LIKE WHAT COULD HAPPEN ON THE PROPERTY, BUT UNTIL WE GOT INTO DETAILED, UM, DESIGN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SUBJECT HAD CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
SO, UM, ALL THESE PLANS REALLY DIDN'T SHOW ANY KIND OF CONNECTION DOWN TO BROAD BRANCH.
AND THAT'S AT THE LOWER RIGHT OF YOUR, OF YOUR SCREEN THERE.
SO NUMBER TWO IS, YOU KNOW, THE HEART OF THIS, UH, THIS, THIS ZONING CASE, THIS, AND BASICALLY THREE PLANS.
WE PROFFERED, UH, BEING SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THAT.
SO FLASH, FAST FORWARD, UH, ABOUT A YEAR, 2019,
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WE'RE IN THE DESIGN.WE CAME BACK AND, AND NEEDED, UH, TO ADJUST THE PLAN A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE WE REALIZED WE HAD SOME, YOU KNOW, LOTS NEEDED TO BE ADJUSTED SO FORTH.
SO WE, WE CHANGED THE MIXTURE OF TOWN, UH, OF TOWN HOMES TO FROM 40% UP TO 44%.
AND THAT'S REALLY JUST BECAUSE OF THE MARKET, UH, DEMANDED MORE OF THAT.
AND THEN AS A CONCESSION, WE, WE TOOK THE NUMBER, TOTAL NUMBER FROM FIVE 20 DOWN TO 5 0 8.
UM, IN, IN ZONING, AS YOU PROBABLY ALL KNOW, YOU TRY TO REACH FOR A HIGH NUMBER, BUT DOESN'T ALWAYS HIT THERE.
SO WE, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO COME BACK, UH, AND AT THE TIME WE HAD A NEW PLAN THAT, UM, WE PLANNED ON BUILDING AND IT WAS SHOWED IN A LOT OF THE PRESENTATIONS SO FORTH.
UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T PROFFER THAT AT THE TIME TO UPDATE IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
AND, UH, IT'S THAT AREA DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
UH, WE BASED THAT PLAN AND, AND TOOK IT, AND THIS BECAME OUR MARKETING PLAN.
SO, UM, A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS MOSAIC, BUT THE FIRST IMAGE OF MOSAIC THEY GOT WAS PRETTY MUCH THIS, IT WAS ON OUR WEBSITE.
UM, AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY EXPECTED.
AGAIN, THE LOWER RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF LOTS IN THERE.
THAT'S, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO FLASH, UM, MOVE AHEAD FOR TONIGHT.
SO 2 24 WE'RE, UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THIS.
UM, SO WHEREAS IN 2018, WE KIND OF LEFT IT UP IN THE AIR ON, ON, UH, THIS ROAD CONNECTION.
WE'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KIND OF DRAW A LAND LINE IN THE SAND TONIGHT AND SAY, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
SO THE, UM, THE PROJECT LOOKS LIKE THIS TODAY.
SO EVERYTHING IS PRETTY MUCH PLATTED AND DONE EXCEPT FOR THOSE THREE LOTS DOWN THERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, SOME OF THE, THE SECTIONS IN SORT OF THE MIDDLE THERE AND HOW DO I DO THE, UH, THAT WORKS ON THERE? YEAH, THE, THESE ARE THE LAST TWO SECTIONS IN THERE, SECTION SIX AND SEVEN THAT ARE BEING, UH, DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S PLATTED NOW IS 497 LOTS AND HOMES WITH THE THREE LOTS WILL BE AT 500.
SO IT'LL BE BELOW THE, THE, UH, CAP OF 5 0 8, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY ZONING.
SO THE, THE TOPIC TONIGHT IS THIS AREA DOWN HERE.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE A LITTLE, A LITTLE MORE IN DETAIL HERE.
SO THIS WAS, UH, ONE OF THE CONCEPTUAL, CONCEPTUAL PLANS IN 2018 THAT LOOKED LIKE THIS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO LOTS DOWN THERE.
THERE'S NO ROAD CONNECTION SHOWN.
UM, THIS WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE.
WE ACTUALLY SHOWED THREE LOTS DOWN THERE, BUT AGAIN, NO ROAD CONNECTION DOWN TO THE OTHER PROPERTY.
SO IN, UM, IN 2019, THIS WAS A PLAN THAT WE PRESENTED, BUT WE NEVER, WE NEVER PROFFERED A NEW ONE.
SO THERE'S A LOT MORE LOTS DOWN IN THERE.
UM, AND THEN FLASH TODAY, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO WE'VE GOT LOTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF BROAD BRANCH, AND THEN THOSE THREE LOTS IN, UH, IN YELLOW THERE.
AND AGAIN, NO, UM, NO ROAD CONNECTION THERE.
SO AS, AS YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, HALL ZONING CASES, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING.
SO WE HAD THIS AT THE, UH, CONNECTION CLUBHOUSE IN MOSAIC.
AND, UH, I WAS A LITTLE, UH, UNDERESTIMATED THE CROWD SIZE.
SO THE STAFF REPORT, I THINK, SAID 120 PEOPLE.
UM, IT WAS, IT WAS QUITE A BIG, A GOOD TURNOUT.
SO I EXPLAINED WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO, GET THESE THREE LOTS, AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS CAME UP ABOUT THE ROAD ACCESS.
UM, AND IT WAS PRETTY EVIDENT THERE.
THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF, UH, OVERWHELMING OPPOSITION TO ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL ROAD ACCESS THROUGH THE, THROUGH THAT AREA.
UM, INEVITABLY SOME PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE THAT MEETING.
SO, UM, I OFFERED TO MEET AGAIN WITH SOME RESIDENTS, UH, AGAIN, ABOUT A WEEK LATER, ABOUT 60 SHOWED UP.
UH, STILL A GOOD, GOOD PRESENCE THERE.
AND AGAIN, IT WAS REITERATED THAT, UH, REALLY STRONG OPPOSITION, ANY KIND OF ROAD CONNECTION, UH, IN THAT AREA.
UH, AT THAT MEETING, I DID EXPLAIN AT BOTH MEETINGS, UH, THERE ARE ROAD CONNECTIONS IN, UM, IN MOSAIC THAT ARE REQUIRED BY, BY VI, BY VDOT.
WE DIDN'T, UH, DO PRIVATE ROADS IN HERE.
SO VDOT HAS THEIR, UH, SECONDARY STREET ACCEPTANCE GUIDELINES.
UH, WE HAVE ONE ACCESS UP IN HERE, SO THAT WOULD GIVE YOU UP TO 200 LOTS, OR I'M SORRY, THE BOTH OF THESE, THE BROAD BRANCH AND THAT WE GIVE YOU 200 LOTS ABOVE THAT YOU NEED A, ANOTHER ACCESS.
AND ABOVE THAT YOU NEED A, A FOURTH ACCESS.
SO, UM, BELOW 600 LOTS, YOU NEED FOUR POINTS OF ACCESS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE PROVIDED THERE.
THE, UH, THE TWO MIDDLE ONES, THEY'RE STUBBED OUT TO THE, THE FUTURE PROPERTIES THERE.
UM, THEY REALLY, THEY DON'T GO ANYWHERE RIGHT NOW, BUT VDOT, THEY JUST WANTED TO SEE A CONNECTION THROUGH THERE THAT THEY COULD TIE INTO IN THE FUTURE.
UH, AND THOSE ARE IN THE LATEST SECTIONS OF SIX AND SEVEN THAT ARE BEING UNDER UNDERDEVELOPED RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO LET'S TAKE A, A DEEPER DIVE AND, OH, I'M SORRY.
THIS IS, UM, AND THIS IS THE CONNECTION THAT THE COUNTY'S REQUESTING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
I, I, I KINDA SAID THIS WAS A FIFTH CONNECTION.
IT'S REALLY NOT A FIFTH CONNECTION, IT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL, UH, CONNECTION TO BROAD BRANCH.
SO THIS IS WHAT, UH, THE ROAD LOOKED LIKE BROAD BRANCH IN 2020, RIGHT BEFORE WE BROKE GROUND ON THE SITE.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT WAS UP ON THIS ROAD WAS CAPITAL ONE.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE IN THIS AREA THERE WAS ALREADY, THERE WAS AUB OUT FOR US TO CONNECT TO TURN LANES WERE ALREADY IN PLACE.
THIS WAS BUILT WHEN CAPITAL ONE WAS, WAS BUILT.
UM, SO IT WAS SORT OF LIKE SET UP TO THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO TIE INTO, AND THAT'S WHAT, UH, WE BASED ALL OF OUR PLANS ON.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES WERE IN PLACE.
THE SUB STREET WAS RIGHT THERE.
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THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.SO IT'S SORT OF ALL BILLED OUT AND THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, NO HOME ZONE THAT WHERE THOSE THREE LOTS ARE.
SO, UM, STAFF IS ASKING FOR A ROAD CONNECTION THROUGH HERE ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE.
SO LIKE, WHERE, WHERE WOULD THAT GO IN THERE? SO IF, UM, AT THE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MR. HAMPSHIRE, UH, PRESENTED THIS PLAN, I, I EDITED THIS TO TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK SIMILAR TO WHAT, BUT I THINK IT'S IN IT PRETTY MUCH, UH, CONFORMANCE TO THAT.
SO THIS WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE RENDERING THAT COULD HAPPEN OF, UH, TYING INTO BROAD BRANCH.
UH, VDOT I DON'T THINK HAS REALLY SIGNED OFF ON ANY OF, OF LIKE A PLAN LIKE THIS.
UH, THE CONCERN IS THE ENTRANCES ARE TOO CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER.
SO AT THE, UH, AT THE, THE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETING PRESENTED THIS PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE A SOLUTION TO THAT, BUT IT EDWARD LEAGUE CAUSES, UH, MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD TO BE CALLED S ACT.
AND, UH, A CONNECTION MADE OVER TO THAT NEW ROAD CONNECTION.
SO IT'S NOT, UH, NOT THE BEST, BEST KIND OF SCENARIO THERE.
UM, SO LOOKING AT HOW YOU WOULD PUT A, A ROAD STUB IN THERE, UH, ON PLAN VIEW, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY DON'T GET A FEEL FOR WHAT THE AREA LOOKS LIKE IF YOU, IF YOU PUT THE TOPOGRAPHY ON THERE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES IN THIS AREA.
UH, AS A DEVELOPER LOOKING AT THIS, THIS WOULD NOT BE ONE OF THE PLACES YOU'D WANT TO TRY TO TRY TO TIE INTO.
UH, I THINK I FOUND OUT EARLY ON WE HAD, WE HAD DONE A FEW CONCEPTUAL PLANS IN THERE, WHAT A ROAD WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND IT, UH, IT HAS SOME COMPLICATIONS.
SO THERE'S A 30 FOOT FILL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 45 FOOT FILL ON THE, ON THE UPPER SIDE.
AND THIS IS, UM, THE NECESSARY FOR IT TO GO UP AND OVER 2 88.
SO THERE'S A BRIDGE RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU GOTTA SOMEHOW SQUEEZE A ROAD IN BETWEEN THE, UM, MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD AND OVER BY THE BRIDGE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TURN LANES INVOLVED.
UH, YOU CAN SKIRT THAT MAYBE WITH A ROUNDABOUT, BUT IT, IT'S A COMPLICATED PLACE TO TIE IN.
AND THEN THE COMPLICATING FACTOR IS THERE'S A STREAM IN THERE AS WELL.
SO ENVIRONMENTALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE BEST, UM, PLACE TO PUT A ROAD IN.
SO IF WE, UH, KIND OF ZOOM OUT, SO THIS IS ALL OF WEST CREEK AND GREEN AS DEFINED.
SO THIS WAS BUILT LONG TIME AGO.
ALL THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE WAS PUT IN PLACE, UM, WHEN 2 88 CAME THROUGH ALL THESE ROADS, THE RE, WEST CREEK PARKWAY IS THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
WHEN 2 88 CAME THROUGH, THE REST OF THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE WAS DONE.
UM, AND REALLY THOSE WERE BUILT TO SERVICE WEST CREEK.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF UNDEVELOPED AREAS IN THERE.
WEST, UM, CAPITAL ONE'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST, UH, USER IN THERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT COMES DOWN BROAD BRANCH, UM, IN THE AFTERNOON.
UM, SO, UM, BROAD BRANCH IS A TWO LANE ROAD, AND, UH, IF YOU'RE THERE WHEN CAPITAL ONE LETS OUT, UM, ESPECIALLY BEFORE COVID, THERE WAS, UH, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT.
SO THIS AREA WAS ALSO A SUBJECT.
YOU ALL LOOKED AT THE, UH, THE SIS EARLIER TODAY, UM, AND TALKING ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THERE.
AND THAT REALLY DID NOT SPECIFY ANY ROAD CONNECTIONS, JUST MORE OF, OF GENERAL LAND USES ON THAT.
SO IF, UM, IF A CONNECTION WAS MADE IN HERE TO, UH, TO THAT TRAFFIC WOULD PROBABLY, UM, GO, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE WEST CREEK PARKWAY OR UP, TRY TO GO TO CAPITAL ONE, BUT CAPITAL ONE HAS GATES ACROSS THE ROAD, SO YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THERE, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH MOSAIC.
SO ANY KIND OF NORMAL CONNECTION IN THERE WOULD WOULD'VE TRAFFIC GOING BOTH WAYS.
UM, SO AT, AT THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION, I SPOKE WITH, UH, A STUDY WE HAD TO DO ON THE TRAFFIC REPORT BACK DURING THE ZONING CASE, UH, OF THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.
SO THIS WAS ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE WERE MADE TO STUDY, AND THIS IS A SNIPPET FROM THAT STUDY.
UH, SO ONE AND TWO ARE THE INTERSECTION DESIGNATIONS THAT FROM THE STUDY.
SO, UM, UH, TWO SHOWS UP ON THE PLAN RIGHT THERE.
ONE IS UP ACTUALLY AT HOCKET AND TUCKO CREEK PARKWAY, SO IT'S OFF THE SITE ON THIS ONE, BUT THAT, THAT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO THIS.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, WHAT'S CALLED THE LEVEL SERVICE, I THINK IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, JUST LET ME KNOW.
BUT, UM, THIS IS THE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC, SO MORNING AND AFTERNOONS.
SO AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN BROAD BRANCH IN THE MORNING, IT'S A B IN THE AFTERNOON, IT'S AN E LEVEL SERVICE TO TURN RIGHT, IF YOU TRY TO GO LEFT, THEY ARE BOTH A LEVEL F.
SO WHEN WE ADDED OUR TRAFFIC ON, I'M SORRY, LEMME BACK UP.
SO THIS WAS THE BACKGROUND TRAFFIC PLUS THE APPROVED TRAFFIC.
SO THIS WAS SORT OF THE, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS PLUS AT THE TIME WHAT WAS KNOWN AS A BRISTOL APARTMENTS.
SO THIS IS NOW 2000 WEST CREEK APARTMENTS WAS BEING BUILT IN HARDYWOOD, SO WE ADDED THAT TRAFFIC IN.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT RESULT IS.
AND THEN WHAT WE'RE ASKED TO DO IS ANALYZE WHAT THE LEVEL SERVICE IS, UH, WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND IF YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT THE NUMBERS DIDN'T CHANGE.
IT'S A, B AND E AND AN F AND F.
SO OUR TRAFFIC WAS IN THE PEAK HOURS NOW WAS REALLY INCONSEQUENTIAL, UH, INCONSEQUENTIAL TO THAT.
UM, BUT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC LEAVING OUTTA WEST CREEK DOWN BROAD BRANCH TO LEFT IN THE AFTERNOON AND THE MORNING IS, UH, IS REALLY BAD.
UM, SO LOOK, LOOKING AT THIS AREA A LITTLE CLOSER, WHERE THE SIS WAS, UH, WAS DONE IN THERE, THE, UM, THAT STUDY REALLY DIDN'T SHOW ANY SPECIFIC ROAD
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CONNECTION THERE.SO IT'S BEEN ARGUED THAT THERE'S NO ROAD CONNECTION, YOU KNOW, UM, THESE, THESE ROADS PROPERTIES ARE LANDLOCKED.
UM, AS FAR AS PARCEL WISE, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THEY'RE LANDLOCKED, BUT THERE ARE TWO ROADS THAT ACTUALLY GO UP IN THERE, UM, WHICH IS HOW THEY ACCESS THESE PROPERTIES.
NOW, THE, UM, THE CONDITION OF THOSE ROADS ARE PRIVATE, THEY'RE NOT PUBLIC.
SO FROM A PUBLIC ROAD STANDPOINT, YOU DON'T HAVE PUBLIC ROAD ACCESS, BUT THERE IS ACCESS IN THERE OR ELSE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET TO.
UM, EARLIEST MORNING THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT APPEARED ON BENSE JOURNAL ONLINE, IF ANYONE IS SEEING THIS WAS A SNIPPET FROM THE, THE STUDY.
UM, UH, I'M SORRY, THE, THE MAP OF THE, THE CONNECTIONS THAT WAS SHOWN IN THAT ARTICLE.
UH, AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THIS TOP TWO THERE.
SO ONE SAYS NO ACCESS BLOCKED BY MOSAIC DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, THERE, THERE'S A RETAINING WALL RIGHT THERE, SO IT DOESN'T, WOULDN'T HAVE MAKE SENSE TO MAKE AN ACCESS ANYWAY.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, ACCESS BE BLOCKED BY, UH, RZ 2024 IN THIS CASE TONIGHT.
UM, THE OTHER ONES REALLY WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH.
SO, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU TURN ON THE GIS SYSTEM, WHICH IS REALLY NICE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SECTION THERE ABOUT EASEMENTS.
IF YOU FLIP THAT ON THERE, THESE EASEMENTS SHOW UP, THESE ARE MOST LIKELY ROAD EASEMENTS.
THEY LINE UP WITH THAT ROAD THERE.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NATURE OF WHAT THEY ARE, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ROAD EASEMENTS IN THERE THAT THOSE OWNERS ENJOY FOR ACCESS THROUGH THAT AREA.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UM, COULD HAPPEN IN THERE WITH THOSE ROADS, BUT NOT ALL DEVELOPMENT HAS TO HAVE PUBLIC ROADS.
CAPITAL ONE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
ALL THOSE ROADS ARE PRIVATE IN THERE.
SO, UM, THIS BY, BY NOT HAVING THIS ACCESS TO THE NORTH DEVELOPMENT CAN STILL HAPPEN IN THIS AREA.
UH, SO, SO IN SUMMARY, IT'S REALLY BOILS DOWN TO TWO THINGS.
WE'RE ASKING FOR THE THREE LOTS, ONE HERE, AND THEN NO ADDITIONAL ROADS, UM, CONNECTING THROUGH THERE.
SO THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT, UH, WE'RE SUBMITTED AT THIS TIME.
THIS REALLY ISN'T A FUZZY, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUAL PLAN ANYMORE.
THIS IS A HARD DETAILED PLAN THAT SHOWS THOSE THREE LOTS.
UM, IN, IN 2018, WE, WE DID NOT PROFFER A A ROAD CONNECTION.
WE DIDN'T EXCLUDE A ROAD CONNECTION.
SO THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, REASONS WHY THE CONNECTION DOESN'T MAKE SENSE UP THROUGH, UM, TO CONNECT TO BROAD BRANCH, IT'S ONLY TWO LANES AND IT DOES SERVE AS CAPITAL ONE AND THIS DEVELOPMENT, AT SOME POINT YOU REACH THE FUNCTIONAL CAPACITY OF THAT ROADWAY, BUT IT'S MORE THE, UH, THE INTERSECTION IS CONTROLLING FUNCTION ON THIS.
UM, THE LOCATION ADDS REALLY CLOSE TO THE BRIDGE.
IT'S CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF MOSA CREEK BOULEVARD.
UH, YOU'VE GOT COMPLICATING FACTS WITH THE STREAM AND THE FILL SLOPES THERE, AND THERE'S NO TURN LANES IN THERE, SO THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE PUT IN AND, AND MOVED AND, AND AND DONE.
SO IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT THE BEST LOCATION.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL FOR CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC IS IT COMES OUT OF THIS NEW ROAD GOING UP THROUGH MOSAIC.
WE BUILT A NICE COMMUNITY AND WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE PRIDE IN OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENTS AND THERE'S A CLOSE, CLOSE KNIT COMMUNITY, UM, TO HAVE OUTSIDE TRAFFIC RUNNING THROUGH THERE, UM, IS NOT IDEAL.
AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE ROAD FOR MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD WAS DESIGNED FOR REALLY JUST THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THERE.
SO THE PAVES NOT DESIGNED FOR A WHOLE LOT OF EXTRA TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE.
THEY ARE PUBLIC ROADS, BUT IT IS A, A COLLECTIVE COMMUNITY.
SO THE, THE SOUTHERN PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, AS THE SIS STATED EARLIER, THERE IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO SHOW WHAT SOLUTION FOR THE ROAD NETWORK IS IN THERE.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT CAN START WITHOUT THIS ROAD ACCESS AND YOU CAN FIGURE OUT THE ROADS IN THERE.
UM, SO THERE'S A SOLUTION THAT'S SOLVABLE, UM, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY THROUGH BROAD BRANCH.
SO THAT CONCLUDES MY, UH, PRESENTATION.
UM, I WOULD LIKE SOME TIME AT THE END FOR REBUTTAL, UM, AFTER THE, UH, OPPOSITION AND SUPPORT SOC, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
UM, DO, I'M SORRY, DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I, RIGHT NOW.
I WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS CASE.
UM, WE ALL CAN SEE THAT EVERY CHAIR IN THE BOARDROOM IS OCCUPIED PLUS SOME IN OUR OVERFLOW AREA, AND THE BOARD APPRECIATES THE CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT ON THIS MATTER.
HOWEVER, WE DO SEEK TO AVOID REPETITIVE COMMENTS IN A PUBLIC HEARING THAT LASTS MANY, MANY HOURS, UH, INTO THE EARLY MORNING.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT A REPRESENTATIVE MO OF MOSAIC HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IS GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT THE CASE ONCE THAT PERSON SPEAKS.
IF YOU WISH TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU SUPPORT THOSE COMMENTS, I'LL INVITE YOU TO RAISE YOUR HAND AND THEN I WILL PLACE ON THE RECORD AN ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO RAISED THEIR HAND IN SUPPORT OF THOSE COMMENTS.
THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE NOTE OF YOUR SUPPORT.
BUT IF YOU ALSO WISH TO COME TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK, YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO SO.
WE ARE JUST PROPOSING A POSSIBLY MORE ORDERLY, UH, WAY OF DOING THIS SO YOU'RE NOT BEING, UH, KEPT FROM SPEAKING IF YOU SO DESIRE.
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GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, MR. CARPENTER AND STAFF.I LIVE AT 1 5 6 7 MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE BEHALF OF H HUNT'S PROPOSAL ZONING, ZONING MODIFICATION APPLICATION.
THIS PROPOSAL WITH THE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED PROFFER TO RESTRICT FURTHER ROAD CONSTRUCTION REPRESENTS A BALANCED AND FORWARD THINKING APPROACH TO SAFEGUARDING OUR COMMUNITY'S QUALITY OF LIFE WHILE ADDRESSING DEVELOPMENTAL CONCERNS IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER.
AS WE ALL KNOW, GLAND IS NOT JUST A PLACE TO LIVE.
IT'S A WONDERFUL AND UNIQUE COMMUNITY.
I'M VERY BIASED, BUT IT IS, WE SEE THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY PLAYED OUT THROUGH INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOURSELVES, COMMITMENT TO THE COUNTY AND ITS CITIZENS.
THE IMPACT OF OUR CIVIC AND NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS ROTARY, CASA, PET LOVERS, AND GOLAND CARES AND CREATING AND SUPPORTING A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE FOR EVERYONE IS A RESULT OF THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A MICROCOSM OF THAT MODEL.
IT'S MORE THAN A COLLECTION OF HOMES.
COMMUNITY RESIDENTS ARE BUILDING THEIR LIVES THERE AND MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOVED TO MOSAIC ARE NOT FROM THIS AREA, FORMING FRIENDSHIPS AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE COUNTY'S VIBRANT CHARACTER, ALLOWING ADDITIONAL ROAD DEVELOPMENT WOULD IRREPARABLY HARM THIS COMMUNITY BY INCREASING TRAFFIC FLOW, COMPROMISING SAFETY, INTRODUCING DISRUPTIVE NOISE LEVELS, AND NEGATIVELY IMPACTING PROPERTY VALUES.
IT'S BEEN ARGUED, WE HEARD DURING THE PLANNING, UM, UH, HEARING THAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY HAS NO ALTERNATIVE ACCESS POINTS AND THAT PASSING THIS PROFFER WOULD LANDLOCK.
UM, AS WE JUST HEARD, THE PROPERTY AND THEREFORE ROAD EXPANSION INTO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD IS NECESSARY.
THAT CLAIM DOESN'T REALLY HOLD UP UNDER SCRUTINY.
IN THE PLANNING HEARING, THE ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY REPRESENT REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNERS, PRESENTED A MAP SHOWING A POSSIBLE ROAD CONNECTING THE PROPERTY TO BROAD BRANCH DRIVE IN WEST CREEK NEXT TO MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD.
WE DIDN'T SEE THAT PLAN AHEAD OF THAT, UM, HEARING.
WHEN ASKED IF THIS PRELIMINARY PLAN HAD BEEN REVIEWED BY VDOT FOR FEASIBILITY AND APPROVAL, HE ADMITTED THEY HAD NOT TAKEN THAT PAST VDOT AND THERE ARE VIABLE, UH, ALTERNATIVES FOR ACCESS.
THE PROPERTY HAS A COUPLE OF ROADS AS YOU SAW ON THE MAP THAT WOULD ALLOW CONNECT CONNECTIONS WITH HOCKET AND PATTERSON AND, UM, UPGRADING THOSE ROADS WOULD ALLOW THE MOSAIC COMMUNITY TO MAINTAIN ITS INTEGRITY, BUT OF COURSE BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
THIS ALTERNATIVE, WHILE REQUIRING INITIAL INVESTMENT BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS, PROVIDES A SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION IF THE PROPERTY IS EVER DEVELOPED.
IS THIS, AM I IN DANGER HERE?
AND WE DIDN'T GET TIME SEATED.
SO I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE THEIR TIME.
THEY NEEDED TO DO THAT PROSPECTIVELY.
UM, I HAVE ABOUT ONE MINUTE TO GO.
THE PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD BEAR RESPONSIBILITY FOR CREATING THE ACCESS TO THEIR LAND THAT ALIGNS WITH ZONING AND COMMUNITY STANDARDS.
THE EXPECTATION THAT THE MOSAIC COMMUNITY SHOULD COMPROMISE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE VERY UNDEFINED DEVELOPMENT, WE REALLY HAVEN'T HEARD WHAT THEY WANNA DO WITH THAT.
LAND IS NEITHER FAIR NOR JUSTIFIABLE.
THE PROFFER TO RESTRICT FURTHER ROAD CONSTRUCTION REFLEX, A THOUGHTFUL COMPROMISE THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE NEED FOR DEVELOPMENT WHILE PROTECTING THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE ESSENCE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD LIES IN ITS SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
A SHARED SPACE WHERE PEOPLE FEEL SAFE, SUPPORTED AND VALUED.
INCREASED THROUGH TRAFFIC WOULD DISCOURAGE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES AND GATHERINGS, COMPROMISE, SAFETY, AND IMPEDE INTERACTIONS THAT ARE FUNDAMENTAL TO FOSTERING COMMUNITY BONDS.
MOREOVER, THE COUNTY HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN PRESERVING SUCH COMMUNITIES, STABLE, THRIVING NEIGHBORHOODS, CONTRIBUTE TO PROPERTY VALUES, ATTRACT FAMILIES, AND ENHANCE THE COUNTY'S REPUTATION AS A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE, SACRIFICING THESE VALUES.
FOR THE SAKE OF PERSPECTIVE, AGAIN, UNDEFINED FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE SHORTSIGHTED AND BUT HAVE LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES.
IN CLOSING, I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS ZONING MODIFICATION APPLICATION WITH ITS ACCOMPANYING PROFFER.
THIS PROPOSAL NOT ONLY PROTECTS THE CHARACTER AND SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY, BUT EXEMPLIFIES A BALANCED APPROACH TO DEVELOPMENT THAT BENEFITS THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
AND I'LL JUST STRESS IF JUST FOR ANY SPEAKER SPEAKERS, IF
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YOU WISH TO SPEAK OVER, YOU KNOW, OVER THREE MINUTES, YOU HAVE UP TO 10, BUT PLEASE GET THE INDIVIDUAL SEATING THEIR TIME TO COME TO THE PODIUM AHEAD OF YOU AND SAY, I SEED MY TIME TO XY, Z.UM, AND PLEASE, PLEASE RE REFRAIN FROM APPLAUSE, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
UM, MY NAME IS PATIENCE ARMSTRONG.
I LIVE AT 9 3 4 9 CITRINE RUN IN THE MOSAIC CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I CED MY TIME TO OUR HOA REPRESENTATIVE.
I LIVE AT 94 0 6 TESSA RAY WAY IN MOSAIC.
I SEED MY TIME TO OUR HOA REP.
I LIVE AT 9 4 0 6 TESSER RAY WAY, AND IC MY TIME TO THE HOA REPRESENTATIVE.
I LIVE AT 7 1 1 3 MONTAGE ROW AND I SECEDE MY TIME AS WELL.
MR. CARPENTER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I LIVE AT 1 5 6 8 0 MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD.
I SERVE AS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE MOSAIC AT WEST CREEK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING OVER 400 HOMEOWNERS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I'M HERE TO EXPRESS TONIGHT OUR UNEQUIVOCAL SUPPORT FOR THE ZONING MODIFICATION APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY HH HUNT, WHICH PROPOSES ADOPTING A NEW CONCEPTUAL PLAN LIKE WE'VE HEARD OF 7.5 ACRES, ADDING THREE RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND REVISING PROPER, PROPER TWO TO RESTRICT FURTHER ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
OUR RESIDENTS, LIKE YOU'VE BEEN TOLD, HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROPOSAL IN DETAIL.
WE ATTENDED THE PUBLIC INFORMATION HEARING IN AUGUST WITH OVER 125 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE.
OUR RESIDENTS ALSO FILLED THE AUDITORIUM RECENTLY WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION DEALT WITH THE SAME CASE AND WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY IN FAVOR OF THE PLAN THAT WE BELIEVE WILL FINALIZE DEVELOPMENT IN A WAY THAT PROTECTS THE CHARACTER, THE NATURE, AND THE INTEGRITY AS WELL AS SAFETY AT MOSAIC CREEK FOR YEARS TO COME.
IN OUR VIEW, THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS WELL AS THE REVISION TO THE PROFFER IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF NOT ONLY MOSAIC BUT THE OVERALL WEST CREEK COMMUNITY.
CLEARLY THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE ZONING BACK IN 2018.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO FOCUS YOUR REVIEW OF THIS CASE ON THE REALITY THAT'S AT HAND TODAY, WHICH INCLUDES A 500 HOME COMMUNITY ALREADY IN PLACE.
IN ADDITION TO MY MOSAIC, HOA BOARD MEMBER ROLE, I ALSO SPEAK TO YOU THIS EVENING AS A RETIRED CHIEF OF POLICE WITH SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS IN THE BROAD BRANCH DRIVE AREA ABOUT TRAFFIC SAFETY.
YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS REVISED THREE LOT CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THE REVISED PROPER WILL PROTECT THE COMMUNITY AND THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE AT BROAD BRANCH DRIVE.
ANY OTHER OPTION, INCLUDING ADDING MORE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, I BELIEVE WOULD BE UNSAFE NOT ONLY TO OUR RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO TO THE CAPITAL ONE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH OUR COMMUNITY, LET ME BRIEFLY SHARE MOSAIC AT WEST CREEK, LIKE MANY KNOW IS A NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNED FOR ACTIVE AND ENGAGED 55 AND OLDER ADULTS OFFERING A PEACEFUL, QUIET SELF-CONTAINED LIFESTYLE WITH AMENITIES LIKE WALKING TRAILS, A DOG PARK, A CLUBHOUSE, AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.
THESE FEATURES ACTUALLY HELP REDUCE TRAFFIC IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEY CREATE A WALKABLE AND A SAFE AND VIBRANT ENVIRONMENT.
MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD, OUR MAIN NORTH SOUTH THOROUGHFARE, WAS DESIGNED TO SUPPORT LOW TRAFFIC VOLUME LIKE MR. KLINGER JUST EXPLAINED, AND A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS PAST YEAR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, SUPPORTED OUR INITIAL MOSAIC OLYMPIAD AND OLYMPIC VILLAGES, ALONG WITH AN OPENING PARADE OF COUNTRIES AND A CLOSING PARADE OF CHAMPIONS THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED ON LOCAL RICHMOND TV.
WE RECENTLY COMPLETED OUR FOURTH ANNUAL 5K UH, TURKEY TROP ALONG MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD.
THE ROAD DESIGN FEATURES DESIGN FOSTERS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AS WELL AS TRAFFIC SAFETY FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
OUR SOUTHERN ENTRANCE AT MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD IN BROAD BRANCH SHOULD BE PRECLUDED FROM TURNING INTO AN ALTERNATIVE
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TRAFFIC ACCESS THROUGH MOSAIC AT WEST CREEK, SIMPLY TO SERVICE YET TO BE DEVELOPED PROPERTIES SOUTH OF MOSAIC BETWEEN TUCKAHOE CREEK PARKWAY AND BROAD BRANCH DRIVE.AS I MENTIONED, BECAUSE OF MY LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE, I HAVE SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS RELATED TO PEDESTRIAN VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IN THE COMMUNITY FOR ALL OF THE WALKERS, THE BICYCLISTS, THE JOGGERS IN OUR CURRENT COMMUNITY.
WE BELIEVE THAT AMONG YOUR MANY CHALLENGES IS A THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION AS TO WHAT EXISTS TODAY IN THE COMMUNITY AND HOW CURRENT RESIDENTS ARE BEST SERVED VERSUS UNKNOWN AND UNPLANNED FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO US, MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD IS NOT JUST A ROAD CARRYING VEHICLES.
THE ROAD IS PART OF WHAT MAKES MOSAIC AT WEST CREEK UNIQUE.
WE WERE VOTED THE BEST NEW NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THOSE OVER 50 AND OVER, OR RETIRED BY RICHMOND MAGAZINE IN 2021.
WE WERE ALSO RECOGNIZED AS THE 2 20 23 COMMUNITY OF THE YEAR BY THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION OF VIRGINIA.
WE'VE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE PRELIMINARY PLANS FOR MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD FROM AN ADJACENT DEVELOPER THAT INCLUDES THAT DEAD ENDING LIKE MR. KLINGER EXPLAINED AT MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD AND ELIMINATING DIRECT A ACCESS TO BROAD BRANCH DRIVE IN LIEU THEREOF, CONSTRUCTING THE LINK FROM MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD TO THAT COLLECTOR ROAD, CONVENIENTLY NOW BEING CALLED SHORTCUT ROAD THAT WOULD ACCESS BROAD BRANCH DRIVE BETWEEN OUR CURRENT SOUTHERN ENTRY AND BROAD BRANCH BRIDGE OVERPASS OVER ROUTE 2 88, WE BELIEVE REPLACING MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD ACCESS TO BROAD BRANCH DRIVE 2 88 OVERPASS WITH A SHORTCUT ROAD IS UNSAFE IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING ACCELERATION, DECELERATION OR TURN LANES IN EITHER DIRECTION.
YOU MAY BE AWARE THERE'S ALSO SOMEWHAT OF A BLIND CURVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE 2 88 OVERPASS AT ITS AS IT APPROACHES MOSAIC ESSENTIALLY USING MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD TO SOLVE ACCESS TO BROAD BRANCH BY FUTURE DEVELOPERS FOR YET TO BE DETERMINED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BECOME A CONVENIENT AS WELL AS A CHEAP SOLUTION FOR THEIR FUTURE ACCESS ISSUE TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE CURRENT 400 PLUS AND SOON TO BE 500 HOUSEHOLDS IN MOSAIC AT WEST CREEK.
AN ARGUMENT WAS MADE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT THIS ZONING MODIFICATION AND PROFIT REVISION HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, WALKING, OR BICYCLE SAFETY TO YET MOVING THESE ISSUES INSTEAD AROUND PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE AND BELIEVE THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU DOES NOT PRECLUDE OTHER YET TO BE DEVELOPED PROPERTIES FROM BUILDING ACCESS ROADS TO BOTH PATTERSON AND HAWKET, BOTH OF WHICH WOULD BE BETTER TRAFFIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS THAN ANY ADDITIONAL CONNECTOR.
ACCESS TO BROAD BRANCH MOSAIC AT WEST CREEK HAS ALREADY MET ITS OBLIGATIONS TO BOTH THE COUNTY AND TO V GUIDELINES, INCLUDING PROVIDING THE STUB ROADS THAT MR. KLINGER EXPLAINED.
WE HAVE ACCEPTED AND COMPLETED OUR COMMUNITY RESPONSIBILITY AND WE BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH AT THIS POINT.
HOPE YOU WOULD AGREE THAT A STRONG RATIONALE HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY THE OUTPOURING OF FEEDBACK AND EMAILS, ATTENDANCE AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, ATTENDANCE TONIGHT, AND SUPPORT OF THE NEW CONCEPTUAL PLAN AT THE INTERSECTION OF MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD AS PRESENTED.
ADDITIONALLY, LIKE WE'VE HEARD, THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION DID ITS DUE DILIGENCE AND THEY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND TO YOU IN FAVOR OF THIS ZONING MODIFICATION CASE.
AGAIN, OUR RESIDENTS RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU AS A BOARD TO PRIORITIZE THE NEEDS OF CURRENT RESIDENTS OVER THE YET UNIDENTIFIED AND SPECULATIVE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE, UM, REPRESENTATIVE THE MOSAIC, HOA SPEAK, JUST YOU CAN THANK YOU, YOU CAN, YES, IT'S A QA.
UM, I WILL INVITE YOU TO RAISE YOUR HAND, UH, IF YOU ARE JUST TO DEMONSTRATE SUPPORT OF HIS COMMENTS AND GO ON THE RECORD THE NUMBER OF, NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN SUPPORT.
BASED ON MS. SHERRY, ARE YOU GOING TO THE OVERFLOW ROOM? SHE IS.
MS. SHERRY'S GONNA CHECK THE NUMBERS IN THE OVERFLOW ROOM AS WELL.
I, BASED ON 80 CHAIRS, I'M ESTIMATING APPROXIMATELY 75.
I DON'T WANNA SHORTCHANGE THE GROUP, BUT, UH,
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NO, I'M NOT KIDDING.WE, WE, AND WE DID SEE THE SUPPORTER SECTION OVERFLOW.
IN FACT, MR. CHAIRMAN, 45 PEOPLE IN THE OVERFLOW ROOM ARE SUPPORTING.
SO I'M GONNA MARK DOWN 120, UH, DEMONSTRATING THEIR SUPPORT ON TOP OF THE SPEAKER.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO, TO ALL YOU SHOWING YOUR SUPPORT AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MY NAME IS RICK STEIN.
I'M HERE IN MY CAPACITY AS PRESIDENT OF STERN ARNSTEIN PROPERTIES.
WE'RE THE OWNERS OF APPROXIMATELY 170 ACRES ADJACENT TO MOSAIC AND MR. HADDOCK'S PROPERTY.
UM, WE'RE HERE TO, TO SAY THAT THAT, THAT THIS NEGATIVE PROFFER IS IMPROPERLY PUT FORTH AT THIS POINT.
UM, THE, UH, ATTEMPT TO BLOCK, UH, OUR, UH, ACCESS, UM, TO, UH, HIGHLY DESIRABLE ROADWAYS.
UM, HOWEVER MUCH PLEADED BY THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS NOT BEEN SUBJECT TO ANY ENGINEERING OR TRAFFIC PLANNING.
UH, THEIR OPINIONS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT THEY DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY.
UM, BY NOW MANY OF YOU SEEN THE NEWS STORY THAT APPEARED IN BUSINESS THIS MORNING, UM, AS THE PUBLIC AND THE MEDIA HAVE BEGUN TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS CASE IS NOT REALLY ABOUT HH HUNT, UM, WANTING TO ADD JUST THREE MORE LOTS TO THEIR COMMUNITY.
UM, NOR IS IT ABOUT THE WELL-INTENDED AND UNDERSTANDABLE, UM, DESIRE BY THE RESIDENTS OF THEIR COMMUNITY TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THEY'VE INVESTED, IN WHICH THEY'RE ENJOYING, UH, A FAVORABLE LIFESTYLE.
WHAT THE STORY, UH, REVEALED AND WHAT MANY OF YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, IS THIS CASE IN PART REPRESENTS THE LATEST EFFORT, UM, IN AN ATTEMPT FOR 20 YEARS BY THE DEVELOPERS OF WEST CREEK, UH, TO PREVENT AND DISCOURAGE THE COMPETITION BY PREVENTING OUR FAMILIES AND PROPERTY OWNERS FROM ACCESSING CRITICAL ROADWAYS AND OBTAINING SEWER.
WEST CREEK DEVELOPERS HAVE CONVEYED THIS INTENT DIRECTLY TO ME.
NOW I WANNA BE CRYSTAL CLEAR ABOUT THE OPPOSITION, UM, TO THIS CASE.
WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THREE ADDITIONAL LOTS IN MOSAIC AND WE HAVE NO INTEREST DESPITE WHAT'S BEEN SAID HERE TO UTILIZING MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THIS, THIS NOTION HAS BEEN PROFFERED BY PEOPLE WITHOUT AN UNDERSTANDING OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING.
UM, AND I'M HERE TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT.
OUR INTENT IS TO ACCESS BROAD BRANCH ROAD, UM, AS IT RELATES TO, UH, 2 88, UM, THE, IN FACT OUR ONLY OBJECTION HERE TONIGHT IS WEST CREEK'S CONTINUED EFFORTS TO LANDLOCK MR. HADDOCK'S PROPERTY AND DEVALUE ERRORS.
UM, IT WAS ASKED EARLIER AND IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT THERE ARE OTHER, UM, ALTERNATIVES.
THE TRUTH IS, UH, PRIVATE ROADS OR, UH, ARE PRO, PRO PROVIDE NO A NO VALUE OR ACCESS.
UM, AND THE NOTION, THE MISTAKEN NOTION, UM, THAT MR. HADDOCK, UH, NOR OUR PROPERTY HAS ACCESS TO EITHER PATTERSON, UH, NOR UM, OCK ROAD IS JUST NOT TRUE.
IT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, MR. HADDOCK'S PROPERTY IS 8,000 FEET, UM, FROM, UH, FROM HOCKETT ROAD, UH, AND HE HAS NO ACCESS TO THAT, UM, UNLESS HE WERE TO GET IT FROM OTHER DEVELOPERS WHO MIGHT BE AS CLOSE-MINDED, UM, AND DESTRUCTIVE AS THOSE FROM WEST CREEK.
UM, SO I WANNA SUGGEST THAT, UH, UH, THOUGH YOU KNOW THIS WELL, THAT THESE ARE NOT WEST CREEK'S ROADS AND THEY DON'T BELONG TO THE PEOPLE OF MOSAIC.
THEY'RE PUBLIC ROADS AND IT'S THE PUBLIC, UH, WELFARE THROUGH YOUR PROCESS LONG ESTABLISHED THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS THAT SHOULD DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE ROADS, UM, AND, AND HOW THE PROP, HOW THE PUBLIC'S, UH, BEST INTERESTS ARE SERVED.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. CARPENTER AND STAFF.
MY NAME IS BRUCE WATSON AND MY WIFE AND I RESIDE AT 7 0 3 0 BISQUE TERRACE IN MOSAIC, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE MOSAIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE MOVED IN THERE IN JANUARY OF 2023 AND WE LOOK LONG AND HARD, UH, FOR PROPERTY IN GLAND.
UM, AS WE SOUGHT FOR MANY YEARS TO BECOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE AND AND WORK IN IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
MOSAIC OFFERED THE AMENITIES THAT WE OFF, WE LOOKED FOR IN A 55 AND OVER COMMUNITY.
AND ONE OF THE MAIN CONSIDERATIONS FOR US, AS I'M SURE FOR MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS IS THAT OF SAFETY.
OUR SAFETY CONCERNS PERTAIN TO THE AMOUNT, AN INCREASE IN
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THE TRAFFIC IN MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT ACTIVITIES OF OUR RESIDENTS, INCREASE THE RISK FOR ACCIDENTS AND INJURIES, AND INCREASE THE NEED FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES TRAVELING THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY AT ANY GIVEN TIME.ONE WILL NOTICE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE WALKING ON OUR TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS WITH THEIR PETS AND THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AND POSSIBLE CAR SPEEDING PLACES OUR PEDESTRIANS AT A GREATER RISK.
IN CLOSING, I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE ZONING MODIFICATIONS APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED BY HH HUNT, WHICH PROPOSES ADOPTING A NEW PLAN FOR THE 7.513 ACRES, ADDING THREE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND THEN REVISED PROFFER NUMBER TWO TO RESTRICT FURTHER ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
THE GING PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY IN FAVOR OF THIS PLAN, I WILL BELIEVE WILL COMPLETE OUR COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT PRESERVES THE SOLITUDE AND THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT AND INTEGRITY AND SAFETY OF MOSAIC AND HIS RESIDENTS FOR YEARS TO COME.
YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS REVISED THREE LOT CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND PROVIDES PROFIT WILL PROTECT THE BROAD BRANCH DRIVE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
ANY OTHER OPTION I FEEL WOULD BE UNSAFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS, CAPITAL ONE EMPLOYEES AND THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON EMERGENCY SERVICES IN OUR AREA THAT ARE ALREADY STRAINED.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF OUR REQUEST.
LINE ADDRESS 4,600 BE ROAD GOOD.
I LIVE AT 1913 CO BAY DRIVE, MIDLOTHIAN, VIRGINIA.
I SEE MY TIME TO RODNEY ALBERTA.
I LIVE AT SIX 50 COUNTRY CLUB LANE AND I SEE MY TIME TO RODNEY ALBERTA.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M HERE TO REPRESENT MY, UH, STEPBROTHER EDWARD E HADDOCK JR.
OWNER OF 301 ACRES ADJACENT TO HH HUNT AMENDMENT PROPOSAL AND I'M ALSO A CO-OWNER AS WELL, A PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, SINCE THE LATE 1940S, MY FAMILY HAS OWNED LAND JUST NORTH OF THE RICHMOND COUNTRY CLUB AND IT IS NOW ADJACENT TO AND SURROUNDED BY THE WEST CREEK HH HUNT PROPERTIES ALONG ITS WEST, WEST, SOUTH, AND EAST BOUNDARIES JUST SEVERAL A HUNDRED FEET WEST OF AND PARALLEL TO ROUTE 2 88.
HADDOCK, A MAYOR OF RICHMOND IN THE FIFTIES, HAD RETURNED FROM WW TWO AS A NAVAL OFFICER IN THE LATE FORTIES WHEN HE PURCHASED THE LAND FOR FAMILY ENJOYMENT.
WE GREW UP WITH A LOT OF HAPPY TIMES WITH THE PROPERTY AND THE COTTAGE AND POND WE BUILT ARE STILL THERE TODAY, SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM MANY OF THE HOMES IN THE MOSAIC COMMUNITY THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY BUILT ALONG OUR NORTHERN PROPERTY LINES.
YEARS LATER WHEN VDOT APPROACHED US FOR SOME OF OUR PROPERTY THAT WAS NEEDED FOR THE ROW ADJACENT TO THE SEVEN AND A HALF ACRE ACCESS PROTECTION PARCEL THAT IS IN QUESTION TODAY, WE READILY CONSENTED BELIEVING AS I THINK VDOT DID, THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT AND PROVIDE ACCESS FOR ALL PROPERTIES TO THE WEST, INCLUDING OUR FAMILY PROPERTY AFTER 2 88 WAS COMPLETED, CB ROBERTSON, THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER OF WEST CREEK, OFFERED TO BUY OUR FAMILY PROPERTY BUT WE WOULDN'T SELL IT BECAUSE OUR DAD WAS IN HIS FINAL YEARS AND LOVED FISHING THERE.
CB ADMIRED OUR DEVOTION TO DAD AND SHARED WITH ME THE PLAN FOR WEST CREEK.
WE AGREED THAT OUR PROPERTY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO 2 88, BUT BEFORE THE PLAN WAS COMPLETED, THE CURRENT OWNERSHIP ACQUIRED WEST CREEK.
I BEGAN MEETING WITH BEVERLY ARMSTRONG, THE NEW MANAGING PRINCIPAL OF WEST CREEK.
HE STRESSED THAT ACCESS TO 2 88 FOR MY FAMILY'S PROPERTY WAS SIMPLY NOT IN THE WEST CREEK'S BEST INTEREST AND CONVINCED ME IT WAS NOT NEGOTIABLE.
WE, YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW I FELT ABOUT THAT OVER TIME.
WEST CREEK HAS SURROUNDED MOST OF MY FAMILY'S PROPERTY AS WELL AS OTHERS WITH EITHER SPITE STRIPS OR NO DIRECT ACCESS THROUGH THEIR LAND.
SPITE STRIPS ARE ALSO KNOWN AS RESERVE STRIPS AS NARROW PIECES OF LAND INTENTIONALLY LEFT BY PROPERTY OWNER TO PREVENT ACCESS FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO A PUBLIC ROAD OR RIGHT OF WAY.
THEY ARE OFTEN USED AS A MEANS OF BLOCKING LEGAL ACCESS.
THIS TACTIC CAN COMP COMPLICATE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT AND ACCESS RIGHTS AS IT CREATES BARRIERS FOR LANDOWNERS SEEKING TO UTILIZE THEIR PROPERTY EFFECTIVELY.
IN THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE MOSAIC DEVELOPMENT, IT WAS APPARENT THAT IT WOULD CUT OFF ALL REMAINING ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION, SEWER AND WATER AND OTHER PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING 2 88 FROM OUR FAMILY PROPERTY AND OTHER SPEED UP PROPERTIES WHICH WERE REQUIRED FOR MAJOR ELEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR GLAND COUNTY.
FOR THAT REASON, IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THIS VITAL ACCESS, THE THE APPROVAL OF THE
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ORIGINAL MOSAIC PLAT WAS CONDITIONED ON KEEPING OPENING THE SEVEN AND A HALF ACRE PARCEL THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS HEARING.HH HUNT AGREED TO THAT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH I ATTENDED AS STATED REPEATEDLY IN LETTERS TO THE BOARD FROM OUR LAWYER WITH A VERBATIM REFERENCE TO THE MARCH 13TH, 2018 REZONING HEARING HELD BY OUR PREDECESSOR BOARD, HH HUNT PRO OFFERED PROFFERED THREE CONCEPTUAL PLANS TO KEEP THE AREA UNDEVELOPED FOR THE POTENTIAL EAST WEST CONNECTOR THAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE COUNTY'S CONSULTANT KIMLEY HORN.
IT IS THAT PROFFER THAT HH HUNT WANTS TO CHANGE NOW TO PREVENT ANY ADDITIONAL ROADS FROM BEING CONSTRUCTED IN THE AREA.
IN MY OPINION, THE THREE LOTS ARE A SMOKESCREEN FOR THIS TRUE OBJECTIVE BY WEST CREEK AS A FINAL CO DE GRA TO ENSURE THE LAND LOCKING OF MY PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY FROM ALL DIRECTIONS.
NOW HH HUNT'S PROPOSED PRO PROFFER.
TWO ASTONISHING REQUESTS THAT WITHIN THE SEVEN ACRE ACCESS PROTECTION PARCEL, NO ADDITIONAL ROAD RIGHTS OF WASTE SHALL BE DEDICATED.
NO ADDITIONAL ROADS SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS APPLICATION.
THIS OF COURSE WOULD LANDLOCK FOREVER MY PROPERTY AND ALL THE SPTA PROPERTY FROM ALL THE ONLY MEANINGFUL ACCESS AND INFRASTRUCTURE JUST SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET AWAY, MAKING THEM ALL ESSENTIALLY UNDEVELOPABLE, THUS WIPING OUT THIS PART OF THE COUNTY'S 2035 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MASTER TRAFFIC PLAN DEVELOPED OVER TWO DECADES.
THE PRESERVATION OF WHICH BY KEEPING THE SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES ACCESS PROTECTION PARCEL OPEN WAS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY AND AGREED UPON BY HH HUNT.
AS ONE WOULD EXPECT, THE COUNTY STAFF STRONGLY POINTED OUT THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS PLAN AND PROFFER BECAUSE THIS WOULD VIOLATE THE COUNTY'S PROHIBITION OF ELIMINATING FUTURE CONNECTIONS TO A VITAL CONNECTOR FOR THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT PARCEL AND ALSO A LARGE DEVELOPABLE LAND AREA DESIGNATED FOR PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS FOR THE AREA AND THAT WOULD FUTURE INHIBIT A DEVELOPMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ALSO ASTONISHINGLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT NOVEMBER 21ST MEETING APPROVED PROFFERED TO IN SPITE OF THIS STAFF REPORT AND THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER OBJECTIONS FOUND THAT THUS GRANTING THIS REQUEST IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WE WELFARE AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICES.
THESE ARE THE THINGS IN MY OPINION ARE MOST UNFORTUNATE ABOUT THE CURRENT SITUATION AND ITS HISTORY.
MY OPINION FROM MY MEETINGS WITH WEST CREEK AND SUBSEQUENT EVENTS AND ALL THAT IT BELIEVES ITS OWN BEST INTEREST INCLUDES EXCLUSIVE ENTITLEMENT TO 2 88 ACCESS AND ALL OTHER PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE ON OR PASSING THROUGH ITS PROPERTY ON SPIKE STRIPS.
IN MY OPINION, WEST CREEK'S ROUTINE USE OF SPIKE STRIPS AGAINST MY FAMILY AND OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO THIS DENTIST ADVANTAGE OF US GLAND COUNTY AND ITS RESIDENTS LAND LOCKING ALL OF MY FAMILY'S 300 ACRE PROPERTY PLUS POTENTIALLY 700 ACRES OF NEIGHBORS PROPERTIES AND DENIAL OF OTHERWISE PUBLIC ACCESS, SEWER, WATER, AND OTHER PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE FOR WHICH MY FAMILY AND OTHERS PAY TAXES THAT MY FAMILY BELIEVING IT WOULD BE FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL PROPERTY OWNERS PROVIDED NEEDED ROW FOR 2 88 ADJACENT TO THE SEVEN AND A HALF ACRE ACCESS PROTECTION PARCEL AND ACCESS HAS NOT BEEN PERMITTED.
NOW PROFFER TWO IN MY OPINION BENEFIT BENEFITING ONLY WEST CREEK BY ELIMINATING FUTURE COMPETING DEVELOPMENT PROPOSES TO TRANSFORM THE SEVEN ACRE ACCESS PROTECTION PARCEL UNTIL ANOTHER SPIKE STRIP TO CLOSE FOREVER.
THE CRITICAL TRANSPORTATION PATHWAY FROM HOCKETT ROAD TO 2 88 DRAMATICALLY REDUCING THE VALUE OF PROPERTY IN BETWEEN INCLUDING THE PROPERTY OF MY FAMILY AND ELIMINATING GLAND COUNTY'S FUTURE IN THE, IN THE VITAL SPTA ERA.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S SPEEDA OR SPTA, IS IT SPTA? SPEEDA.
BEST INTEREST NOT WITHSTANDING THE INTEREST OF GLAND COUNTY, ITS RESIDENCE AND OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS INCLUDING MY FAMILY, I ALSO AM OF THE OPINION THAT THERE MAY BE INCENTIVES IF NOT AGREEMENTS BETWEEN WEST CREEK AND HH HUNT A AS BUSINESS ASSOCIATES AND PARTNERS THAT CAUSE HH HUNT TO BE SYMPATHETIC AND PROTECTIVE OF WEST CREEK'S VIEWS, STRATEGIES AND BEST INTEREST.
PLEASE CONSIDER ALL THE COMPELLING HISTORY AND INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS HEARING AND ITS RECORD IN THE BEST INTEREST OF GLAND COUNTY.
ITS RESIDENCE AND PROPERTY OWNERS VOTE AGAINST PROFFER TWO AND AVOID WHAT IN MY OPINION WOULD BE AN ILL-ADVISED CAPRICIOUS AND ARBITRARY DECISION LAND LOCKING MY FAMILY'S LAND GOES AGAINST PROPER LEGISLATIVE PROCEDURES.
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SINCERELY, EDWARD.HE AT JUNIOR, I WANTED TO KIND OF KEEP IT FAST 'CAUSE I KNEW I HAD A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.
DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL, YEAH, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL CITIZEN COMMENTS? AND, AND IF YOU'RE IN THE OVERFLOW ROOM AND, UH, WANT TO SPEAK BEYOND YOUR RAISED HAND, UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME INTO THE, UH, MAIN ROOM.
I SEE MY TIME TO OUR, OUR REPRESENTATIVE.
I'M THE CO-MANAGER OF TWO ENTITIES THAT OWN, UH, UH, FOUR 800 ACRES IN THE SUBJECT, UH, AREA.
AND I SEAT MY, UM, TIME SUPPOSED TO OH, YOUR ADDRESS, SIR.
MY HOME ADDRESS IS 2 0 4 LOCK GREEN COURT, RICHMOND.
I'M WILLIAM GARNER, 44 COBBLESTONE CIRCLE.
I SEE MY TIME TO GIVE HALF, HALF.
MY ADDRESS IS 5,600 GROVE AVENUE.
I SEE MY TIME TO MR. HAMPSHIRE.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF BLANKING SHIP AND KEITH, AND AS YOU'VE HEARD, I REPRESENT THE OWNERS OF APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND ACRES, UH, UH, UH, SOUTH OF THE LAND IN QUESTION.
AND YOU'RE IN RECEIPT OF OUR LETTER DATED NOVEM, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DATED, UH, NOVEMBER 21.
THAT MAKES MANY OF THE SAME POINTS THAT I'LL MAKE TONIGHT.
YOU'RE ALSO IN RECEIPT OF A SLIDE DECK I, I SENT IN, AND I ALSO SENT IN A, A FOLLOW UP SLIDE, WHICH, UH, I BELIEVE HAS ALSO BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU, WHICH SHOWS THE CONNECTION, UH, TO BROAD BRANCH.
FIRST, WE CERTAINLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A GUIDE, NOT AN ORDINANCE.
AND AS MS. MCGEE WILL TELL YOU, YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, IT'S NEVERTHELESS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE DEFENSIBILITY OF DECISIONS ON REZONING, MAP AMENDMENTS, AND PROFFER CONDITION AMENDMENTS LIKE THE ONE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UH, TO FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, GUIDANCE, REZONING DECISIONS, RISK BEING DEEMED ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS WHEN THEY CONTRADICT THE CONTRADICT, THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE, OF THE LOCALITIES COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
FURTHER NEGATIVE PROFFERS ONES THAT TAKE AWAY FROM BA BASIC ZONING PROTECTIONS LIKE THE CONNECTION THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, CAN ALSO RENDER A DECISION ON A PROFFER AMENDMENT OR A MAP AMENDMENT ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS.
AND THEY CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT BE GRANTED WHEN, WHEREAS HERE, THEY WOULD FORECLOSE THE VERY PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, ENVISIONED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY FOR DECADES.
YOUR STAFF HAS ADVISED YOU THAT SUCH WOULD BE THE VERY EFFECT OF THE NEGATIVE PROFFER OFFERED TONIGHT.
YOU SHOULD NOT ACCEPT THIS NEGATIVE PROFFER.
OUR LETTER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROPOSED AN ALTERNATIVE PROFFER THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE CON CONSTRUCTION OF THE THREE LOTS DESIRED BY THE APPLICANT, AND, UH, AND WOULD ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCT, THE CONNECTION REQUIRED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THAT LETTER ALSO ATTACHES A DRAWING BY KIMLEY HORN THAT SHOWS HOW THE CONNECTION CAN BE MADE.
THAT DRAWING IS AT SLIDE 10, SLIDE 11 OF MY DECK PROVIDES MORE DETAIL ON HOW THE CONNECTION CAN BE MADE, AND KIMBERLY HORTON TELLS US THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT SPACE BETWEEN MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD TO MAKE IT UNDER VDOT REGULATIONS.
AND I PROVIDED A FOLLOW-UP SLIDE THAT SHOWS EXACTLY THAT, WHICH SHOWS THAT THERE ARE, UH, 400 AND, UH, 250 FEET THAT ARE REQUIRED, EXCUSE ME, 400 FEET THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND 250 FEET THAT ARE REQUIRED.
SO WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH ACKNOWLEDGING THAT PROFFERS ARE VOLUNTARY.
YOU SHOULD REJECT THE OFFER OF THIS PROFFER BY DENYING THIS PROFFER AMENDMENT APPLICATION.
HHH COULD REAPPLY WITH ANOTHER VOLUNTARY PROFFER CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT GIVES 'EM THE THREE LOTS, BUT ALSO REMOVES THE NEGATIVE COMPONENTS THAT BOTH PREVENT THE CONNECTION REQUIRED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THAT'S A BASIC ZONING ORDINANCE PROTECTION, AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF ANY ROAD ACCESS ACROSS THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD ALLOW MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY TO DEVELOP CONSISTENT WITH THE PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DESIGNATION OF THE CONFERENCE PLAN.
ACCEPTING THIS NEGATIVE ER TAKES AWAY THE MINIMUM ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT FOR CONNECTION TO MR. HADDOCK'S ADJOINING LANDLOCK PROPERTY, AND IT WOULD DEPRIVE MR. HADDOCK OF ALL ECONOMICALLY THE VIABLE USE.
NOW, MR. HADDOCK'S PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY BLOCKED, UH, BY, UH, BY THIS, UH, WOULD BE COMPLETELY BLOCKED BY THIS PROPER CONDITION AMENDMENT.
SECOND, THIS IS NOT A NEW ISSUE.
THE APPLICANT HAS KNOWN ABOUT THE CONCERN, UH, THAT THE MOSAIC DEVELOPMENT COULD BLOCK THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY SOUTH OF IT, CONSISTENT WITH PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, THROUGH CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE HAVE SENT OVER THE YEARS SINCE WELL BEFORE MOSAIC WAS APPROVED IN 2018.
THE CORRESPONDENCE GOES BACK TO 2017, WHERE WE PROPOSED THE BROAD BRANCH SHORTCUT CONNECTOR THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE SLIDES TONIGHT.
SLIDES 13 AND THROUGH 16 OF THE DECK REFERENCED THE CORRESPONDENCE TO OF MY CLIENTS TO WEST CREEK IN DECEMBER 17, AND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN 2018, ATTEMPTING TO PREVENT THE LAND LOCKING OF MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY FROM DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA, PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GUIDANCE.
UH, AND THE LETTER, UH, FROM, UH,
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MY CLIENT, MR. HADDOCK.UH, YOU'VE HEARD THAT LETTER, UH, THIS EVENING.
THE LETTER FROM MR. HADDOCK STATING HIS EFFORTS OVER THE YEARS TO PREVENT THE VERY THING THAT'S HAPPENING TONIGHT.
THE PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DESIGNATION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY IS NOT NEW.
IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR MANY YEARS.
AS YOU, AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE SIS DELIVERED TO YOU TODAY.
THERE ARE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE RESIDENTS CONSISTENT WITH THAT PLAN.
THE GROWTH BE CONCENTRATED IN THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA TO KEEP IT OUT OF OTHER, MORE RURAL PARTS OF THE COUNTY.
THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA.
I'VE HIGH, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE SIS THAT YOU'VE SEE RECEIVED JUST TODAY.
THAT WOULD BE CONTRADICTED BY THIS PARTIAL SPECIFIC PROFFER AMENDMENT DECISION.
THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER HALLMARK OF AN ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS REZONING IN ADDITION TO ADOPTING A PR CON CONDITION AMENDMENT AND CONTRADICTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FOR EXAMPLE, UNDER LAND USE, THE SIS RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE, NUMBER ONE, THE COUNTY SHOULD CONSIDER UNDERTAKING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE FOR THE AREA TO IDENTIFY THE LAND USES MOST DESIRABLE AND BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY.
BUT APPROVING THIS PROPER CONDITION AMENDMENT WOULD FORECLOSE THIS EFFORT WITH RESPECT TO MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WOULD ENSURE FOREVER THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC ROAD.
IT WOULD BE A DEFACTO REMOVAL OF MY CLIENT'S PROPERTIES FOR THE IDENTIFICATION OF, OF DESIRABLE LAND USES.
PURSUANT TO THE SIS RECOMMENDATION, YOU WOULD'VE ALLOWED A SINGLE DEVELOPER HH HUNT TO MAKE THE DECISION FOR YOU BY, BY, UH, GRANTING THIS PROPERTY CONDITION AMENDMENT THAT MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY IS NOT AMONGST THE PROPERTIES THAT SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED FOR, FOR A PARTICULAR, FOR, FOR POSSIBLE LAND GROWTH, CONSISTENT WITH A PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RECOMMENDATION.
ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION UNDER TRANSPORTATION, THE SIS, IS THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD PLAN FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO TO EIGHT TRAVEL LANES WITHIN THE STUDY AREA THROUGH AN UPDATE TO THE MAJOR THOROUGH FAIR PLAN, BUT APPROVING THIS PROFFER AMENDMENT, WHICH FORECLOSED MY CLIENT'S PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY FROM EVER HAVING ACCESS TO ANY OF THESE TRAVEL LANES.
ANOTHER TRANSPORTATION RECOMMENDATION IS NEW ROADWAYS PLANNED AND CONSTRUCTED SHOULD PROVIDE INTERCONNECTIVITY TO ALL PARCELS, ALL PARCELS AND LAND BASE WITHIN THE STUDY AREA, BUT APPROVING THIS PROFFER AMENDMENT, WHICH WILL CLOSE ALL CONNECTIVITY TO MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY STILL.
ANOTHER TRANSPORTATION RECOMMENDATION IS THE MTT MTP UPDATE SHOULD BUILD UPON PRINCIPLES ESTABLISHED IN THE CURRENT MTP, SUCH AS LIMITING HOCKET ROAD TO TWO LANES WITH SAFETY AND, AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT APPROVING THIS PROFFER AMENDMENT WOULD COMPROMISE THIS EFFORT BECAUSE HOCKET WOULD REMAIN THE ONLY NORTH SOUTH ROUTE, AND THEREFORE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WIDENED TO BE, TO BECOME SAFE UNDER WATER AND SEWER.
THE SIS RECOMMENDS IS THAT WATER AND SEWER LINES WILL NEED TO BE EXTENDED TO PARCELS COMPRISING, UH, THE LAND BASE.
THE COUNTY SHOULD EVALUATE THE FEASIBILITY OF EXTENDING UTILITY LINES, BUT APPROVING THIS PROFFER AMENDMENT WOULD FORECLOSE THE EXTENSION OF WATER AND SUE TO MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WOULD, BECAUSE THE PROFFER AMENDMENT WOULD PREVENT THOSE PROPERTIES FROM DEVELOPING.
IN ANY EVENT, ANY ACTION BY THE BOARD IN ACCEPTING THIS PROFFER AMENDMENT WOULD BE ESPECIALLY ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS BECAUSE THERE'S NO COUNTERVAILING PUBLIC BENEFIT.
IN OUR OPINION, HH HUNT HAS FOSTERED THE FALSE NARRATIVE WITH THE GOOD PEOPLE OF MOSAIC WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT, THAT MY CLIENTS PROPOSED TO CONNECT TO MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD.
HH HUNT ACTUALLY ASKED US TO SHOW THAT CONNECTION, THINKING IT WOULD BE ATTRACTIVE TO THE RESIDENTS.
WE DID SO AT THE AUGUST FIVE MEETING, BUT ALSO MADE IT CLEAR THAT MEETING THAT IT WAS WASN'T OUR IDEA.
WE STRESSED TO THE GROUP THAT NIGHT THAT WE WISH TO CONNECT DIRECTLY TO BROAD BRANCH DRIVE, AND WE SHOWED THE, THE DIAGRAM THAT WE PREFER TO DO.
AND, AND THAT IS IN SLIDES 10 THROUGH 12 THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, AS SLIDES 10 THROUGH 12, DEMONSTRATE WE DO NOT PROPOSE A CONNECTION TO MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD.
LET ME SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.
WE DO NOT PROPOSE A CONNECTION TO MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD, BUT DIRECTLY TO BROAD BRANCH DRIVE.
IN OUR OPINION, THE APPLICANT HAS FABRICATED A FALSE NARRATIVE THAT WE WISH TO CONNECT TO MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD TO SCARE THE RESIDENTS INTO SUPPORTING THIS PROPER AMENDMENT.
AND YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THE TESTIMONY FROM THE CHIEF OF THE FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE ABOUT SAFETY OF MOSAIC CREEK, UH, DRIVE.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO IMPACT MOSAIC CREEK, UH, BOULEVARD.
UH, UH, SLIDE FOUR OF THE DECK.
I REPRODUCED MY PAGE THREE OF THE LETTER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONTAINING A VERBATIM, UH, OF THE 13 MARCH, 2018 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING WHERE MS. KIM CASSINI, THE HH HUNT REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKING TO HH FOR HH HUNT THAT EVENING EXPRESSLY STATED THAT THE PROFFERED CONCEPTUAL PLANS WOULD BE, WOULD BE KEPT OPEN FOR A POSSIBLE ROAD CONNECTION BETWEEN MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY AND BROUGHT TO BRANCH DRIVE.
AND WHY DID SHE DO THAT? BECAUSE THE STAFF HAD IDENTIFIED THAT PURSUANT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF KIMLEY HORN, THE COUNTY'S CONSULTANT, AS A REAL CONCERN THAT IF THAT REZONING WAS GRANTED IN 2018, IT WOULD HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT OF LAND LOCKING THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF IT.
AND SO THERE WAS SOME TALK THAT NIGHT, YOU WILL SEE FROM THE RECORD OF YOUR PREDECESSORS AS TO WHETHER THERE WOULD BE A NEED PERHAPS TO CONTINUE THAT CASE IN ORDER TO ALLOW THAT ISSUE TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND THIS CASSINI SAID ON THE RECORD, IT'S IN
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THE LETTER VERBATIM THAT WE'RE KEEP, YOU DON'T NEED TO CONTINUE THIS CASE BECAUSE WE'RE KEEPING THAT AREA OPEN FOR A POSSIBLE ROAD CONNECTION.AND MY CLIENTS RELIED UPON THAT.
YOUR PREDECESSORS RELIED UPON THAT.
AND HERE WE ARE TONIGHT TO REVERSE THAT DECISION FOR THE VERY PROTECTION TO THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ALLOW MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY TO BE INCLUDED WITH THE S IN THE SIS RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND SO THIS IS BIGGER THAN JUST THE MOSAIC COMMUNITY.
THIS IS ABOUT THE COUNTY'S LEGISLATIVE DETERMINATION THAT THIS AREA, WHICH IS A PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA, UH, BE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP IN THAT CAPACITY.
IF THE, IF THE COUNTY AT SOME POINT IN TIME WANTS TO CHANGE THAT DESIGNATION, IT CERTAINLY HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
BUT IT SHOULD NOT ALLOW ONE REZONING APPLICATION, UH, DRIVEN BY THE PROFIT MOTIVE OF A SINGLE DEVELOPER TO CHANGE THE COUNTY'S DE DEFACTO CHANGE THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING THAT HAS UNDERTAKEN FOR LITERALLY DECADES.
UH, AND SO WITH THAT, WE ASK YOU TO THINK BIGGER THAN JUST THIS CASE AND THINK ABOUT THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, UH, AND ALSO THE PROTECTION OF OF MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY FROM BEING FOREVER LANDLOCKED FOR ECONOMICALLY VIABLE DEVELOPMENT.
READY TO ANSWER? I'M READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HELLO, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UH, MY NAME NAME'S TINA CARROLL.
I LIVE AT 1 5 6 4 1 MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD.
UM, AND I'M HERE TO DISPUTE THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER'S, UH, COMMENTS THAT AT A MEETING, UH, WE WERE SHOWN TWO OPTIONS TO CONNECT TO BROAD BRANCH DRIVE, UH, AND WE WERE NEVER SHOWED THE SECOND OPTION, WHICH WAS THE CONNECTOR FROM THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION DIRECTLY TO BROAD BRANCH DRIVE, UH, THAT WOULD MAKE TWO ENTRANCES TO BROAD BRANCH DRIVE, WHICH ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER.
UM, IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN ON BROAD BRANCH DRIVE, WE ARE VERY CONCERNED WITH SAFETY.
UM, AND THAT IS THE POINT TODAY, IT'S ALL ABOUT SAFETY.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF HISTORY GOING ON WITH THE PROPERTIES AND ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT WE AS HOMEOWNERS ARE VERY CONCERNED WITH SAFETY.
UM, CAPITAL ONE EMPLOYEES ARE BACK AT WORK.
THEY COME IN AND OUT OF THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE ALL THE TIME.
UM, IT'S HARD TO GET IN AND OUT.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE A LEFT ON WEST CREEK PARKWAY WHEN CAPITAL ONE TRAFFIC IS OUT.
UM, THAT ROAD CANNOT SUPPORT TWO ENTRANCES.
SO FOR US, IT'S ALL ABOUT SAFETY, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE PROFFER.
ANYONE IN THIS ROOM OR THE OTHER ROOM WITH, UH, THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM? OKAY.
SEEING NO MORE COMMENTS, I WILL NOW CLOSE THE FLOOR.
UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT, MR. COER, LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, I'M GLAD YOU LEFT THE SLIDES UP HERE.
I HAD ONE ADDITIONAL, IT, IT HELPS TO LOOK AT SOMETHING WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE, THE FEEDBACK AND SO FORTH.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL FOR THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY OWNERS WE'RE WE'RE DEVELOPERS AS WELL.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ROAD ACCESS IS, IS ALWAYS, UH, AN ISSUE WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTIES.
I JUST WANNA ADDRESS A FEW THINGS.
UM, SO BEFORE WEST CREEK WAS BUILT, THOSE PROPERTIES EXISTED.
THEY WERE WELL AWAY FROM ANY OTHER ROAD CONNECTIONS SO THAT NOW THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS COME A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY ANYTHING THAT THEY DON'T ALREADY NOT HAVE.
SO, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS 50 YEARS AGO, AND ACCESS ISN'T, ISN'T THERE NOW.
UM, COLLECTIVELY THEY NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET ACCESS DOWN TO HOCKET AND PATTERSON.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE ONE PROPERTY IN ISOLATION, YES, IT'S LANDLOCKED, BUT KINDA LIKE WHEN WEST CREEK WAS PUT TOGETHER, YOU GOTTA FIND MULTIPLE PLACES TO, UH, TO COME IN AND OUT, UM, TO, TO SHOW ROAD CONNECTIONS.
THE, UH, THE COMP PLAN THAT WAS ADDRESSED AT THE SIS EARLIER THERE, THERE'S NO ROAD CONNECTIONS SHOWN ANYWHERE IN THERE.
SO LIKE THE COMP PLAN IS REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, LAND USE OF WHAT COULD POSSIBLY IN THERE.
SO THERE'S NO ROAD CONNECTIONS THAT, THAT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL.
UM, THERE WAS SOME REFERENCE TO THE, TO THE OPEN SPACE IN OUR 2018 PLAN.
UM, THAT WAS PER, WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO GET OUR, OUR, OUR ZONING CASE APPROVED AT THAT TIME.
AND IT WAS A, IT WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WAS BEING HAD AND A REPRESENTED AT THE TIME LEFT THE DECISION OPEN ON THAT.
UM, IN HINDSIGHT, WE SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY PUSHED A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THAT WAS THEN, AND THIS IS NOW, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY HERE OF, OF, IT WILL BE 500 HOMES IN HERE.
UH, AND THE SITUATION HAS CHANGED.
SO AT THE TIME, THE DISCUSSION WAS AROUND CHANGING IT FROM
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PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.NOW IT'S LIKE WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
IT'S, IT'S SORT OF, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
UM, AND, AND NO MATTER WHEN YOU CONNECT A ROAD INTO BROAD BRANCH, TRAFFIC IS GONNA GO NORTH AND IT'S GONNA GO INTO, UH, TO, UH, MOSAIC CREEK BOULEVARD BECAUSE IT CAN'T GO INTO CAPITAL ONE.
UM, IT SHOULD POINT OUT TOO THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE, IF, IF THEY WERE ABLE TO GET ONE ACCESS INTO BROAD BRANCH, YOU STILL NEED A SECOND POINT OF ACCESS SOMEWHERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR SAFETY REASONS, YOU, YOU HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
AND IF THEY'RE GONNA BE PUBLIC ROADS, VDOT REQUIRES TWO POINTS UP TO 200 UNITS OF, OF RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIALS TREATED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
BUT, UH, FOR SAFETY REASONS, YOU NEED TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
THAT MEANS THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER ENTRANCE SOMEWHERE TO GET INTO THIS PROPERTY.
WELL, IF THEY GOT ONE, THEY CAN FIND ANOTHER ONE.
UM, SO THAT, SO, UM, SO I DON'T THINK IN, WEREN'T PRIVY TO THE, TO THE MAPS AND SO FORTH, YOU'RE GIVING, BUT DECISION SHOULDN'T BE BASED ON TECHNICALITIES OF WHETHER IT CAN HAPPEN OR NOT.
THIS, THIS IS A LAND USE CASE.
THERE WAS REFERENCE TO PREVENTION FROM WATER AND SEWER TO TACO CREEK SERVICE, DISTRICT SERVICE, THIS WHOLE AREA, AS WE BUILD THE DEVELOPMENT, WE STU OUT SEWER LINES AND EASEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING ANY OF THAT.
THE ONLY THING RESTRICTING IS, IS ROAD ACCESS, AND THAT'S WHAT'S VISIBLE TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY MOSAIC.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF, MR. HAMPSHIRE MENTIONED ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS.
SO I WA I WASN'T GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT THAT, THAT KIND OF TRIGGERED ME A LITTLE BIT.
AND I WISH THERE WAS A PUPPY UP HERE TO, TO KIND OF CALM ME DOWN A LITTLE BIT,
BUT, UM, HH HUNT WENT TO BATTLE WITH HENRICO COUNTY OVER THAT EXACT SAME THING.
SO WE WERE IN THEIR SHOES, WE TOOK IT TO THE CIRCUIT COURT, WE WENT TO STATE SUPREME COURT, AND WE LOST.
UM, SO THAT TERM, ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS IS, UM, I DON'T WANNA GO INTO DETAILS ON, ON, ON THAT, BUT THAT WAS A LONG CASE.
UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BOARD HAS A PURVIEW FOR LAND USE ISSUES LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND OUT, UH, THROUGH OUR POCKETBOOK AND TIME ON THAT CASE.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DO I HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I DO HAVE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE MY MOTION AND THEN WHEN WE'RE READY, IF IT GETS A SECOND, UH, IF THERE'S TIME FOR DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO MY MOTION.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD GRANT PROFFER AMENDMENT RZ 2 0 2 4 DASH 0 0 0 9 AS PRESENTED SECOND.
UH, HAVING A MOTION AND A SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION? UH, MR. MR. LYLE, FIRST? UH, WELL, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, THIS DOES BOIL DOWN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE TO, UH, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU, UH, TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE.
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS SO IMPORTANT.
UH, MR. HAMPSHIRE, YOU TOOK TIME ON WEDNESDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING TO SPEND MORE THAN AN HOUR ON THE PHONE WITH ME, UH, TALKING THROUGH THIS WITH, UH, SOME OF YOUR, UH, COLLEAGUES, UM, I THINK MR. HADDOCK, AND THEN ALSO RICK KAVANAUGH.
AND I VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I TRULY DID WANT TO GET AS BIG A PICTURE AS, AS I COULD GET.
I, I ALMOST FELT SORRY FOR YOU.
YOU ONLY HAD SIX MINUTES AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO FEEL SHORTCHANGED.
UH, AND THEN THE RESIDENTS HERE, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WAS CURIOUS WHEN STAFF SAID THERE WERE ONLY SIX EMAILS IN SUPPORT OF THIS, BECAUSE EITHER SIX PEOPLE GOT AN AWFUL LOT OF RESPONSES FROM ME, OR I TRIED VERY FAITHFULLY TO RESPOND TO EVERYBODY I HEARD FROM.
IF SOME OF YOU HEARD FROM ME TWICE, I APOLOGIZE.
UH, SOME OF THE LETTERS CAME TO ME THROUGH MR. CASH, SOME CAME THROUGH MS. BEST KITZ.
AND SO IF YOU GOT TO FROM ME, UH, I'M NOT TRYING TO SELL YOU AMWAY
AND ONE IS THE, THE THREE HOME REZONING.
AND NOBODY HAS SAID THEY'RE AGAINST THAT.
EVERYBODY HAS ACTUALLY SAID THAT'S A, THAT'S, THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND A GOOD IDEA.
UH, SO THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROFFER THAT WOULD KEEP A ROAD FROM TRAVERSING A LANDOWNER'S PROPERTY.
UH, SO THE DISCUSSION IS BORN OUT OF THAT 2018 REZONING.
AND, UH, MY DELOREANS, FLEX CAPACITATES BROKEN, I CAN'T GO BACK IN TIME, UH, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO HAVE MADE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER A CONNECTOR ROAD COULD OR SHOULD BE MADE THERE.
SO HERE WE ARE ALMOST SEVEN YEARS LATER.
UH, THE DECISION TO PUT A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IN THE MIDDLE OF PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, CAN'T BE CHANGED.
I WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF YOUR COMMUNITY BEING DEVELOPED.
I MAYBE SHOULDN'T SAY THAT, BUT I JUST DID.
I THOUGHT PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LAND SHOULD HAVE BEEN KEPT PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WE DO HAVE A DIFFERENT SITUATION TODAY.
YOU ARE HERE, YOU'RE G***H LANDERS OR GUCCI AS I LIKE TO CALL US.
UM, AND SO WHAT DECISION IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE TODAY VERSUS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE TODAY, BUT WOULD LIKE TO COME HERE?
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AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PIECE OF LAND.UH, I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT RUNS THROUGH YOUR COMMUNITY.
I RAN THROUGH THERE TODAY IN 19 DEGREE WEATHER.
UH, MARATHONERS AREN'T KNOWN FOR THEIR SMARTS, I GUESS, BUT, UM, AND I'VE TRAVELED THAT ROAD NUMEROUS TIMES ON FOOT.
AND, UM, I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT CONNECTOR ROAD WOULD JOIN IN THE BROAD BRANCH.
AND, AND THERE MAY BE A WORSE, LESS ACCOMMODATING LOCATION FOR A CONNECTOR ROAD ON THE BROAD BRANCH, BUT ONE HAVE TO LOOK REALLY LONG AND HARD TO FIND IT.
I MEAN, THAT IMAGINED LOCATION IS ON A, UH, TWO LANE BLIND CURVE DOWNHILL.
AND, UH, I KNOW FOR A FACT THE SPEED LIMIT IS NOT ALWAYS ADHERED TO.
SO COULD THAT CONNECTOR BE DONE? POSSIBLY, UH, SHOULD IT BE DONE? I DON'T BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE.
IT'S NOT THE BEST OR A VIABLE, IN MY OPINION.
AND I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER LOCATION FOR CONNECTOR ROAD AT THAT SUGGESTED LOCATION THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED THAT, UH, APPROVING THE PROFFER, NEGATING A CONNECTOR ROAD AT BROAD BRANCH AT THAT LOCATION WILL LANDLOCK THE PROPERTY AND MAKE THE PROPERTY WITHOUT ANY DEVELOPMENTAL OPTIONS.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, UH, ONE, THE LAND IS ALREADY LANDLOCKED.
UH, IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.
UH, THE REZONING DOES NOT CHANGE THE ADJOINING PROPERTY STATUS QUO.
OTHER LANDOWNERS CANNOT CROSS PROPERTY OWNED BY HH HUNT, UH, WITHOUT PERMISSION.
UH, WE CAN SEE BY THIS REZONING APPLICATION, HH HUNT DOES NOT WANT TO GRANT ACCESS ACROSS THAT PROPERTY.
SO IT'S MY IMPRESSION THAT WITH OR WITHOUT THE REZONING, UH, THAT, THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA GRANT ACCESS.
SO THAT LEAVES AN OPTION FOR THE COUNTY TO EXERCISE EMINENT DOMAIN TO FORCIBLY TAKE PROPERTY FROM ANOTHER LANDOWNER.
I HAVE, UH, NEVER IMAGINED A SITUATION WHERE I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF EMINENT DOMAIN.
UH, IT DOESN'T APPEAL TO ME, PARTICULARLY IF AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION EXISTS.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO POINT NUMBER TWO.
I SUGGEST WITHOUT A CONNECTION TO BROAD BRANCH AT THIS LOCATION, ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS CAN FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION AND THAT PROPERTY CAN BE DEVELOPED.
I DON'T HAVE THAT SOLUTION TODAY, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT MAKES THAT PROPERTY COMPLETELY UNDEVELOPABLE.
SO 6 2 60 OR 6 23 HOCKET ROAD CAN BE REACHED BY CROSSING OTHER PROPERTIES.
IT'S BEEN MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR A THOUSAND ACRES.
THAT MEANS THEY MUST BE WORKING TOGETHER.
SO HOW THEY MIGHT, AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE, COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO THEM.
UH, I I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE THAT THEY WILL FIND A SOLUTION, OR THEY CERTAINLY CAN IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO.
SO THEY PROBABLY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO FINDING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WILL, BENEFICIAL ACCESS FOR EACH OTHER.
BUT THAT ACCESS WOULD BE GRANTED NOT TAKEN.
AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE WOULD BE WILLING PARTIES TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT DOES NOT FORCE A SOLUTION OR REQUIRE IMMINENT DOMAIN BY THE COUNTY.
UM, AND SO I'M NOW REPEATING MYSELF.
IT IS A FAILING INTERSECTION, PUTTING MORE TRAFFIC ON THE BROAD BRANCH, UH, WHEN YOU GET DOWN THERE TO WEST CREEK AND BROAD BRANCH.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD WANT TO EXACERBATE A SITUATION THAT WE ALREADY RECOGNIZE IS, IS NOT GOOD.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WITH THE DIVERGING DIAMOND WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD OR EXPAND A BRIDGE CROSSING 2 88.
IT ISN'T INEXPENSIVE THAT I WOULD THINK WOULD COME UPON THE DEVELOPER'S REQUIREMENT TO DO IT.
UH, I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY WOULD ANYWAY, WANT TO STEP UP AND TRY AND IMPROVE THAT.
AND BECAUSE THIS IS A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, AND I AM FAMILIAR WITH IT, I'M VERY ENVIOUS OF THE PICKLEBALL COURSE YOU PUT IN
I DON'T PLAY, BUT THEY STILL LOOK NICE.
WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE FOLKS HERE TODAY? I'M OPTIMISTIC A SOLUTION WILL BE FOUND AND THAT THAT PROPERTY WILL BE DEVELOPED.
WE NEED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY, AND I AM A BIG PROPONENT OF THAT HAPPENING.
BUT I DON'T THINK A CONNECTOR BRIDGE TO BROAD BRANCH AT THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION IS WHAT WOULD SERVE THE COUNTY IN BEST INTEREST.
AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I'M GONNA VOTE FOR THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COUNTY RESIDENTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION, PLEASE? NO.
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UM, I'M, I'M MUCH BETTER WHEN I'M SCRIPTED.UM, AND MY, I THREW MY SCRIPT OUT AFTER ABOUT THE SECOND SPEAKER, SO I HOPE YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME.
UM, THIS, THIS IS AN INTERESTING PIECE OF, BUT THIS JOB IS INTERESTING, RIGHT? UM, I HAVE AN UNHEALTHY DESIRE TO BE LIKED.
AND, UH, THIS JOB WILL CURE YOU OF THAT VERY QUICKLY,
AND, UH, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THIS JOB IS FANTASTIC, AND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN IT'S NOT SO MUCH.
AND YOU MIGHT THINK THAT THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHERE IT'S NOT SO FANTASTIC, BUT I ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT IS BECAUSE I GET TO SIT UP HERE AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
UM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN THE SEATS YOU'RE SITTING IN TWO TH IN MARCH 13TH, 2018, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T WANT YOU HERE YET THIS BOARD DID THE RIGHT THING FOR THE PEOPLE COMING AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE BY APPROVING YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOUR COMMUNITY, I DON'T LIKE TO SAY GLAND COUNTY, I LIKE TO SAY GLAND COMMUNITY, AND YOU'VE CREATED A COMMUNITY.
AND IN A YEAR, I WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO MOVE INTO THAT COMMUNITY
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S HERE, BUT IT IS.
UM, SO I, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, IF I WAS IN YOUR COMMUNITY, I WOULD BE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR BEING, BEING OUT HERE, BEING ENGAGED.
BUT I HOPE YOU APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE IN MY CHAIR.
YOU WOULD BE DOING EXACTLY WHAT I AM DOING, WHICH IS LOOKING OUT, IN MY OPINION, FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF ALL OF GOIN COUNTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PAST A LOT, BUT I THINK THE PAST IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE GOT HERE.
I'VE WATCHED EVERY MEETING THAT HAS BEEN RECORDED, UH, IN GOIN COUNTY.
AND I WENT BACK AND I WATCHED THIS MEETING, UH, OVER THE WEEKEND.
AND WHAT I SAW CONCERNS ME QUITE A BIT.
UH, AND WHAT I'M SEEING CONCERNS ME QUITE A BIT.
WE, THERE WAS A MEETING WHERE AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE, AT FIVE O'CLOCK, UH, NEW DOCUMENTATION WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD THAT THEY HADN'T SEEN BEFORE TO TALK ABOUT AN EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
LET'S ASK OURSELVES, I'M A REALLY PLAIN PERSON, SO I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT AS ENT AS MR. LYLE.
LET'S, LET'S THINK FOR A MINUTE WHY THEY DID THAT.
WELL, I'M GUESSING THAT THEY GOT THE SENSE THAT THIS CASE WAS PROBABLY TEETERING.
AND TO TIP THE SCALE, THEY SAID WE WILL NOT PUT HOMES THERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD SHOWN THEM IN, IN SOME CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
SO THAT WE, SO THAT IT WOULD TIP IN THE FAVOR SO Y'ALL COULD HAVE YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND THE SUPERVISORS TOOK THAT IN CONSIDERATION.
UM, ONE OF THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, COMMENTS, UH, FOR, AT THE TIME, MR. PETERSON ASKED IF THEY WOULD BE BUILDING ANYTHING.
AND MS. SINI, WHO WAS THE REPRESENTATIVE AT THE TIME, SAID, WELL, IF IT ENDS UP BEING IN THE COUNTY'S STER AWARE PLAN, AND IT'S NECESSARY THAT THERE'S PUBLIC NECESSITY, THERE ARE MECHANISMS FOR THE COUNTY.
WELL, JUST BECAUSE, UH, PENN STATE WAS CRUSHING IT THIS WEEKEND, THIS IS A THOROUGH FEDERAL, CAN'T SEE IT, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE RED IN THE LINE.
GUESS WHAT LINE THAT IS? THAT'S THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
SO SINCE 2018, IT'S BEEN SITTING IN, IN THERE AS THE, AS A POTENTIAL PLAN.
UM, I, I FIND IT OUTRAGEOUS, QUITE HONESTLY, THAT WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT A NEGATIVE PROFFER.
UM, IN OUR OWN PROFFER POLICY, IT SAYS REASONABLE PROFFERS NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER PROVISION, PROVISION OR LAW, GENERAL OR SPECIAL.
THE COUNTY WILL NEITHER REQUEST NOR ACCEPT ANY UNREASONABLE PROFFER IN CONNECTION WITH THE REZONING OR PROFFER CONDITION AMENDMENT, IN MY OPINION.
AND IT, WELL, I I WOULD CHANGE THAT.
IT IS MY BELIEF THAT THIS IS AN UNREASONABLE PROFFER.
SOME COUNTIES GO SO FAR AS IN THEIR TO SAY, PROFFERS CANNOT IMPOSE ANY REQUIREMENT OR CONDITION ON THE COUNTY OR OTHER PUBLIC AGENCY.
I'M NOT SAYING A ROAD SHOULD GO THERE, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THERE IS NO WAY IN GOOD CONSCIOUS THIS BOARD SHOULD VOTE TO PROHIBIT A ROAD FROM POTENTIALLY GOING THERE.
I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF MISCONCEPTIONS I READ EVERY EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED, UM, AND IT WAS PROBABLY MORE THAN I'VE EVER GOTTEN ON ANY CERTAIN CASE.
I'VE SEEN NOTHING THAT TELLS ME THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IN, IN YOUR, IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE SIGNIFICANT SAFETY CONCERNS AND THOSE WILL BE ADDRESSED.
BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO THIS, THIS, THIS BELIEF THAT IF THIS, IF WE DON'T PASS THIS PROBLEM, THAT A ROAD IS GOING THERE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE.
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS IF WE DO PUT A ROAD, IF WE DO ACCEPT THIS, WE ARE LIMITING OURSELVES AND WE'RE LIMITING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THIS BOARD HAD AN ALL DAY SATURDAY OFFSITE IN JANUARY WHERE WE WERE PRETTY UNANIMOUS.
WE'RE NOT UNANIMOUS IN THE LAW, BUT WE ARE UNANIMOUS IN THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS OUR FOCUS FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, IN THAT MY DISTRICT IS FURTHER IS WHERE WE'RE SITTING NOW IN FURTHER WEST.
AND IN ORDER TO KEEP GLAND RURAL, WHICH IS THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT I'M TOLD BY MY CONSTITUENTS, IS TO KEEP IT RURAL, WE HAVE TO HAVE A STRATEGY TO PUT ECONOMIC GROWTH WHERE IT SHOULD BE, WHICH IS IN THE, THE AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND OUR BOARD HAS DECIDED WE ARE GONNA DO THAT.
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INDUSTRY, WE JUST HAD THE SPEED OF STUDY, WHICH TALKED ABOUT THAT.SO I, I FEAR THAT IF I VOTE FOR THIS AMENDMENT, NOT ONLY AM I, AM I SIGNALING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT AS MUCH, WE'RE WE'RE SAYING OUTTA ONE SIDE OF OUR MOUTH THAT WE'RE IN FAVOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
'CAUSE I NEED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT MYSELF IN THE MIRROR IN THE MORNING AND KNOW THAT I, I'VE BEEN TRUTHFUL TO MYSELF.
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT WE'RE PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS.
UM, AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT EITHER.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T, THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS HATFIELD MCCOY SORT OF SITUATION GOING, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S BETWEEN Y'ALL.
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT FOR US TO LIMIT OURSELVES, UM, BY SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE WE'RE TAKING THAT OFF THE TABLE.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE ON THE TABLE.
AGAIN, THERE ARE MANY REASONS IT MAY GO THERE.
THERE'S MANY REASONS IT MAY NOT.
AND IT IS CHALLENGING BECAUSE YOU ALL MOVED HERE AND YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR COMMUNITY.
BUT WHAT I AM, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT IS THAT A VOTE FOR THIS ISN'T, ISN'T SAYING THAT NECESSARILY THAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO COME HERE AND MAKING DECISIONS, BUT IT REALLY, WE HAVE BEEN SORT OF DISREGARDING THE DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE PRIOR TO US BY THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED IN HERE, HAVE INVESTED, HAVE PAID THEIR TAXES HERE FOR YOUR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
I I DROVE MY WIFE THROUGH THERE TWO WEEKENDS AGO TO SHOW HER SHE HADN'T BEEN DOWN TO THAT, UH, END OF THE COUNTY.
AND WE DROVE THROUGH READER'S BRANCH, WE DROVE THROUGH MOSAIC, AND WE WERE AMAZED AT WHAT WE SAW, AND WE SAW THE PEOPLE WALKING.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE, WE DO, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TOWARDS WHAT CAME BEFORE US AND AND APPRECIATE, UH, YES, DO THINGS CHANGE.
I DON'T SEE THIS HAS CHANGED ALL THAT MUCH.
AND YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF WHY.
NOW THIS WAS APPROVED IN 2018.
YOU HEARD SHOVELS WENT IN THE GROUND IN 2020.
WELL, ISN'T IT JUST ODD THAT THERE'S FIVE NEW FACES UP HERE THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT THEY PROMISED TO HAVE A CONNECTOR TO THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S FIVE NEW FACES THAT, THAT THEY DIDN'T MAKE THAT COMMITMENT TO.
SO, UM, AS YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL, I I, I'M NOT IN, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROFFER AMENDMENT.
UM, AND I DO WANT THE BEST FOR YOUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE OF GLAND.
HOWER, UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
UM, SEEING THAT MR. CARPENTER, WOULD YOU TAKE THE ROLE? MR. LYLE? AYE.
COMPLETING OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE WILL NOW ADJOURN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS FOLLOWS, TO THE MONDAY, DECEMBER 16TH, 2024,
[XVIII. Adjournment:]
4:30 PM JOINT WORK SESSION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE SCHOOL BOARD TO BE HELD IN THIS ROOM.THE MEETING IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND TO WAIT, IS THIS TWO 70? THIS IS TWO 70 DOWN THE HALL, SORRY.
AND, UH, TUESDAY, JANUARY 7TH, 2025.
AN ORGANIZATIONAL, REGULAR AFTERNOON MEETING, UM, TIME TO BE DETERMINED AND OUR 6:00 PM NIGHT MEETING.