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[I. 3:00 P.M. Call to Order]
MEETING OF FEBRUARY THE FOURTH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF GUIN COUNTY.UH, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE PASTOR DAVE NELSON, THE SM MARITAL BAPTIST CHURCH, WHO'LL GIVE OUR INVOCATION
[II. Invocation: Pastor Dave Nelson, Smyrna Baptist Church]
STAND.THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AGAIN.
UM, WE COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN AT THIS MEETING THANKING YOU THAT WE STILL CAN CALL ON YOU AND WANT TO AT A MEETING SUCH AS THIS.
AND, UM, WITH ALL THE CRAZY THINGS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD, WE NEVER KNOW FROM DAY TO DAY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT.
AND SOMETIMES WE CAN FEEL SO OUT OF CONTROL FOR THOSE THINGS.
UM, YET YOU ARE GOD IN HEAVEN.
AND THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD SEEM SMALL TO YOU, THOUGH CERTAINLY NOT UNIMPORTANT.
AND SO NOW WE BOW BEFORE YOU IN THIS PART OF VIRGINIA, THIS GLAND BORDERS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THEIR PRAYER, AND I'M SO HAPPY TO HEAR THEY WANT TO DO THIS, BUT THEIR PRAYER IS THAT, AND, AND MINE FOR THEM WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM THE WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING.
THEY NEED TO HANDLE THE SOMETIMES ROUTINE THINGS THAT COME UP, AND SOMETIMES CREATIVE NEW THINGS THAT MAY COME UP.
AND WE PRAY FOR A SENSE OF JUSTICE AS THEY DO THAT.
AND, UM, WE COMMIT THIS DAY TO YOU.
WE COMMIT THIS TIME TO YOU AND PRAY THAT YOU WILL BLESS IT SO THAT, UM, IN THE END, WE CAN LOOK UP AND SAY, THIS IS THE MOST WORTHWHILE EFFORT TO CALL ON YOUR NAME.
VICE CHAIRMAN, MR. JOHN CHRISTI WILL PLEASE US SEND THE PLEDGE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG
[III. Pledge of Allegiance]
AND, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.UH, I JUST HAVE A FEW COMMENTS.
[IV. Chair's Comments]
WE'VE SCHEDULED SOME JOINT TOWN HALLS.UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THOSE.
UH, DISTRICT ONE WILL BE ON MONDAY, MARCH 24TH AT 6:00 PM AT BYRD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, 27 0 4 HAYDENVILLE FIFE ROAD, UH, IN DISTRICT THREE.
UH, DISTRICT FOUR AND FIVE WILL BE THURSDAY, MARCH 27TH, 6:00 PM AT THE RESIDENCE INN AT THE NOTCH 1800 WILKES RIDGE CIRCLE AND DISTRICT TWO AND THREE.
MONDAY, MARCH 31ST, 6:00 PM RIGHT HERE AT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING ROOM TWO 50.
UH, MR. CARPENTER, YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. BOARD, JUST
[V. County Administrator's Comments]
ONE.UH, IT'S MY PRIVILEGE AND PLEASURE TODAY TO INTRODUCE TO, UH, YOU THE BOARD AND TO THE CITIZENS OF UCHIN COUNTY.
TOBY IS THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE UCHIN PALIN COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD, WHICH PROVIDES THE SERVICES FOR MENTAL HEALTH, DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES, AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
MR. FRITZ, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS TO THE BOARD.
JUST A, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME.
I'VE GOT THREE DECADES IN, IN THE FIELD, UM, BUT NEW TO THE CSB SYSTEM.
SO AS, UM, I, I GET UP TO SPEED.
THE ONE OF THE THINGS I'M DOING IS JUST REALLY TRYING TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AND GET TO KNOW FOLKS.
AND, AND PART OF THAT IS REACHING OUT TODAY AS YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK FOR ME, I'D LIKE YOU TO REACH OUT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME FURTHER.
WE CAN TALK ONE-ON-ONE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
AND JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU SEE AS FAR AS NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY, JUST VERY EXCITED TO, TO TACKLE THAT.
UM, OVER THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, I'M GONNA BE WORKING ON A STRATEGIC PLAN TO, TO BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND, AND STRENGTHEN WHAT WE DO.
SO, AGAIN, I'M JUST EXCITED TO BE HERE.
THANK YOU FOR THE MOMENT JUST TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.
UM, AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT THE CSB IS, I'M ALWAYS GLAD TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT FURTHER.
SO, UM, I DO HAVE A FEW CARDS, BUT IF NOT, LISA HAS MY CONTACT INFORMATION.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA, GIVING ME GREAT PLEASURE
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AS A FELLOW ROTARIAN TO, UH, TO[VI. Presentation of Resolution Recognizing the Goochland Rotary on its 30th Anniversary]
DO THIS FOLLOWING PRESENTATION OF A RESOLUTION, RECOGNIZING GOLAND ROTARY ON ITS 30TH ANNIVERSARY.AND MS. BEST SITZ WILL READ IT.
AND MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBER AND FELLOW ROTARIAN, JONATHAN LYLE, WILL JOIN US.
AND WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE ROTARY CLUB WITH US, MR. JOHN AARON.
WHEREAS IT IS THE DESIRE OF THE GLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO GIVE WELL DESERVED ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND RECOGNITION TO THE ROTARY CLUB OF GLAND ON THE CELEBRATION OF ITS 30TH ANNIVERSARY.
AND WHEREAS THE ROTARY CLUB OF GLAND RECEIVED ITS CHARTER FROM ROTARY INTERNATIONAL IN OCTOBER, 1995.
AND WHEREAS FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS, THE MEMBERS OF THE ROTARY CLUB OF GLAND HAVE SUPPORTED AND PARTICIPATED IN SIGNIFICANT HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS ON A LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL LEVEL UNDER THE MOTTO OF SERVICE ABOVE SELF.
AND WHEREAS THE GLAND ROTARY SIGNATURE SERVICE PROJECTS ARE KNOWN AS THE WOODCHUCKS PROGRAM, WHICH PROVIDES FREE WOOD TO FAMILIES AND GLAND WHO USE FIREWOOD AS THEIR PRIMARY SOURCE OF WINTER HEATING CATCH CITIZENS AND THE COMMUNITY HEROES EVENT TO SHOW LOVE AND APPRECIATION TO OUR FIRST RESPONDER COMMUNITY ROTARY HOLIDAY MEALS FOR WHICH CLUB MEMBERS DELIVER THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS MEALS TO NEEDY FAMILIES AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS AWARDS BANQUET, WHICH PROVIDES A SUBSTANTIAL MONETARY AWARD TO COUNTY EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE DEMONSTRATED SERVICE ABOVE SELF OUTSIDE OF THEIR DAILY WORK.
AND WHEREAS GLIN ROTARY GRANTS AND SERVICE PROJECTS RANGE FROM ROADSIDE CLEANUP, MEALS ON WHEELS, GLIN CARES GLAND, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY GLAND EDUCATION FOUNDATION, GLAND CASA GLAND PET LOVERS, THE GLAND HISTORICAL SOCIETY GLAND, YMCA BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA TROOP SEVEN 10 LIBERATION VETERAN SERVICES, GLAND DAY FOUNDATION, AND THE GLAND CHRISTMAS MOTHER.
AND WHEREAS THE GLAND ROTARY PROVIDES GRANTS AND SUPPORT IN THE SPIRIT OF A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH GLAND COUNTY GLAND FIRE RESCUE, THE GLAND SHERIFF'S OFFICE, GLAND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND GLAND RECREATION AND PARKS.
AND WHEREAS THE GLAND ROTARY ALSO DONATES CHILDREN'S BOOKS TO LOCAL SCHOOLS, SPONSORS A LOCAL FOURTH AND FIFTH GRADE ESSAY CONTEST PROVIDES MENTORS FOR STUDENTS SPONSORS OF TWO TO TWO TO SIX HIGH SCHOOLERS, TO ROTARY YOUTH LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, AND SPONSORS AN ANNUAL $3,000 SCHOLARSHIP FOR A SELECTED HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR THAT RESIDES IN THE COUNTY.
AND WHEREAS THE GLAND ROTARY CONTINUES TO INSPIRE, ASSIST, AND EDUCATE COUNTLESS MEMBERS AND VOLUNTEERS LEAVING A POSITIVE AND LASTING EFFECT ON THEIR COMMUNITY AND THE SURROUNDING REGION.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE GLAND COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGES COMMENDS AND RECOGNIZES THE ROTARY CUB OF GLAND ON ITS 30TH ANNIVERSARY AND ITS EXTRAORDINARY COMMITMENT TO THE COUNTY.
NOW WE'VE GOT SOME, UH, FELLOW ROTARIANS IN THE AUDIENCE HERE, SO I'M GOING TO ASK THEM TO JOIN.
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU, I WOULD MOVE TO THE BOARD, APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, RECOGNIZING THE GOOSE ROTARY ON ITS 30TH ANNIVERSARY.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL OF 'EM SAY FAVOR, SAY AYE.
UM, FELLOW ROTARIANS, JOIN US AND LET'S GET A PICTURE.
IT, JUST, JUST LET 'EM SAY A COUPLE WORDS.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS RESOLUTION, WHICH, UH, MEANS A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT TO US.
'CAUSE WE TRIED TO DO AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN FOR THIS COUNTY AND HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR 30 YEARS.
THE, IN SOMEBODY, WE STILL HAVE SOME FOUNDING MEMBERS WITH US, AND THIS THURSDAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BREAKFAST WITH, UH, 14 OF OUR CHARITY MEMBERS JUST TO THANK THEM FOR BEING PARTNERS WITH US.
BUT WHAT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY IT IS TO BE HERE WITH YOU GUYS TODAY IN HONORING THIS TREMENDOUS CLUB.
AND THE OPPORTUNITY THAT I HAVE TO BE A PART OF THIS CLUB IS, UH, IS, IS ABOUT AS SPECTACULAR AS IT CAN GET FOR ME.
SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
UH, WE'RE GONNA KEEP UP DOING OUR WORK.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO THE
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SAME.PICTURE SURPRISE BE Y'ALL DIDN'T KNOW THAT SOME, SOME OF THESE FOLKS WERE FELLOW ROTARIAN.
DID YOU? AND WE'VE GOT ONE MORE OVER HERE.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA WOULD BE REQUEST, UH,
[VII. Requests to Postpone Agenda Items and Additions, Deletions or Changes in the Order of Presentation]
TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEMS OR IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS OR CHANGES IN THE ORDER OF PRESENTATION.DO WE HAVE ANY BOARD MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, I'LL NOW OPEN THE, UH, TIME FOR CITIZEN COMMENT.
[VIII. Citizen Comment]
FEEL FREE TO COME UP AND, UH, SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT, UH, OTHER THAN WHAT WILL BE ON OUR AGENDA TO BE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED LATER ON THIS EVENING.SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
[IX. Approval of Action Minutes]
NEXT, WE HAVE, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REGULAR MEETING, JANUARY 21ST, 2025, 3:30 PM SHOULD WE DO THESE INDIVIDUALLY OR TOGETHER? THEY CAN BE.AND THEN, OF COURSE, A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR ON JANUARY 28TH, 2025 AT 3:00 PM DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? MS. CHAIRMAN MOVED.
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD, UM, APPROVED THE ACTION MINUTES FOR JANUARY 28TH AND 21ST AND 28TH, 2025 MEETINGS.
ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE SECOND? SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT.
DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL OR JUST, UH, ALL, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THAT CARRIES.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, THE REPORT FROM VDOT,
[X. Reports]
MR. WYNN,[1. VDOT - January 2025]
CHAIRMAN MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, MARSHALL WYNN WITH, UH, VDOT.UH, THIS PAST MONTH WE HAD 123 WORK ORDERS COMPLETED 143 AND HAD FOUR, UH, AFTER HOUR CALL OUTS, THEN BEEN DOING REGULAR MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES, POTHOLE PATCHING, DITCHING AND SHOULDER WORK, TREE AND BRUSH REMOVAL AND CLEANUP, PIPE CLEANING, UH, TRASH PICKUP AND SIGN REPAIRS.
UM, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS JUST HERE PROBABLY TWO WEEKS AGO FOR THE MAKEUP FOR DECEMBER.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE IN SNOW MODE LAST MONTH, AND, UM, EVERYTHING WORKED OUT PRETTY GOOD.
I DO WANT TO BRING UP ONE ITEM.
IT'S A, YOU KNOW, SERIOUS ITEM.
MY SUPERINTENDENT IN SANDY HOOK HAD A MASSIVE HEART ATTACK LAST NIGHT.
HE'S IN THE HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW AT ST.
MARY'S, UH, NICU, BUT HE, HE DID GET HIS PHONE AND HIS TEXTING US RIGHT NOW.
SO HE, HE'S ON HIS WAY TO RECOVERY, WHICH IS GOOD.
WISH Y'ALL ALL THE PRAYERS AND EVERYTHING FOR HIM FOR SPEEDY RECOVERY.
DO HAVE ONE OTHER THING I WANNA BRING UP, UH, PHILLIP FRAZIER'S GONNA COME UP AND TELL, TALK ABOUT THE, UH, ASHLAND ROAD, DIVERSION DIAMOND PROJECT, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REPORT AFTERWARDS, WE CAN DO THAT THEN, IF THAT'S OKAY.
LIKE MARSHALL SAID, I'M PHILLIP FRAZIER, UM, THE ASSISTANT RESIDENT ENGINEER IN THE ASHLAND RESIDENCY.
I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON THE DIVERGING DIAMOND AT 6 23 AND 64.
UH, SO, UM, BACK IN DECEMBER, WE RECEIVED A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL FOR THE INTERCHANGE ACCESS REPORT, UM, FROM THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, BASICALLY GIVING US THE THUMBS UP FOR A DIVERGING DIAMOND.
UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST DOMINOES TO FALL, UM, TO CONTINUE THE PROJECT FORWARD.
UM, SO, UH, SINCE THEN, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
UH, THE PROJECT HAS TRANSITIONED FROM A TRADITIONAL DESIGN BID BUILD TYPE OF PROJECT TO DESIGN BUILD.
UM, SO WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? A
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COUPLE THINGS THAT IT ALLOWS US TO DO IS, NUMBER ONE IS DELIVER THE PROJECT PROJECT ABOUT A YEAR EARLIER.AND I'LL GO OVER THE SCHEDULE, UM, IN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IT ALSO GIVES THE, UH, DESIGN BUILD TEAM THAT'S SELECTED THE ABILITY TO GET INNOVATIVE AND CREATIVE WITH HOW THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT.
SO WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL DESIGN IT TO ABOUT 30, 40% PLANS, AND THEN WE WILL PAUSE, UM, AND WE WILL SOLICIT, UH, BIDS FOR, FOR THAT DESIGN BUILD TEAM, AND THEN, UH, MOVE FORWARD.
THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, COMPLETING THE DESIGN WHILE ALSO ACQUIRING RIGHT OF WAY RELOCATING UTILITIES AND COMPLETING CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE, UM, PROGRESSING TOWARDS, UH, NOW WITH THE PROJECT AS FAR AS DELIVERY.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WE DID WHEN WE DECIDED TO GO DESIGN BUILD IS, I HOPE YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE HICKORY HAVEN PARK AND RIDE PROJECT, UM, WHICH IS IN THE SAME AREA.
THOSE PROJECTS ARE NOW GOING TO BE BUNDLED TOGETHER AS ONE.
UM, AND THE INTENT IS TO REALLY KEEP TWO CONTRACTORS FROM STEPPING ON EACH OTHER'S TOES AND FRANKLY, DON'T WANT TO BE OUT A A YEAR BUILDING A PARK AND RIDE, AND THEN COMING BACK SIX MONTHS LATER AND STARTING TWO YEARS WORTH OF CONSTRUCTION ON THE, THE DIVERGING DIAMOND.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT IS GOING TO BE DELAYED SLIGHTLY.
UH, THE PARK AND RIDE PROJECT, IT IS SUFFICIENTLY DESIGNED.
UM, WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE ABOUT TO ACQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON, LIKE I SAID, BUNDLE IT WITH THE DDI.
SO, UM, SO IT WILL BE DELAYED, BUT I THINK FOR GOOD REASONS BEING BUNDLED WITH THE, THE, THE LARGER PROJECT.
UM, THE BUDGET, THE BUDGET FOR THE DD OR FOR THE PARK AND RIDE, IT IS FULLY FUNDED.
UH, THE DDI RIGHT NOW IS TRACKING ABOUT A $3 MILLION GAP, UM, ABOUT A $79 MILLION PROJECT.
THERE'S ABOUT 75, 70 $6 MILLION AVAILABLE.
I, I TELL YOU THAT, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE EXHAUSTING ALL OF OUR OPTIONS TO REFINE THE ESTIMATE, CLEAN IT UP, AND GET IT WITHIN THE BUDGET.
OKAY? THAT BEING SAID, WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THAT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN, AND WE WILL EXHAUST ALL OPTIONS TO GET STATE FUNDING RATHER THAN COMING BACK TO THE BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, LETTING YOU KNOW THAT WE NEED ADDITIONAL MONEY.
SO THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE AWARE OF.
UM, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE JUST TRACKING AS A RISK ITEM.
UH, SO AS FAR AS THE SCHEDULE, THERE IS AN UPCOMING RISK WORKSHOP, UH, WHICH IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE DESIGN BUILD PROCESS THAT WILL INCLUDE VDOT PERSONNEL, THAT WILL INCLUDE OUR CONSULTANT WHO'S DOING THAT 30 TO 40% DESIGN PRIOR TO ISSUING THE DESIGN, BUILD, BUILD, UM, PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
UM, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE GLAND COUNTY.
SO, UM, THAT'S EXPECTED TO BE IN MARCH, END OF MARCH.
UH, I'LL WORK WITH, UH, UCHIN COUNTY STAFF, UH, ABOUT WHO WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE PERSON TO JOIN THAT RISK WORKSHOP.
UM, BUT JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT'S COMING AND, AND YOU GUYS WILL BE, UH, A PART OF THAT TEAM.
NOW, I, I WANT TO BE, I WANT TO CAUTION, THIS IS NOT A LOCKED IN SCHEDULE.
THE PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN SCOPED WHERE WE LOCK IN THE, THE COST, THE ESTIMATE, AND THE ACTUAL SCHEDULE.
UH, BUT THIS IS THE SCHEDULE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY TRACKING NEPA COMPLETION, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY DOCUMENT THAT HAS TO BE COMPLETED FOR ANY OF THESE PROJECTS IS EXPECTED TO BE DONE IN JULY OF THIS YEAR, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE CANNOT GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THAT IS COMPLETE.
SO WE WILL GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING LIKELY AT THE END OF JULY INTO AUGUST OF SOMETIME LATE SUMMER.
UM, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH, WE, WE'LL START THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, GETTING REQUESTS FOR QUALIFICATIONS, AND THEN A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FROM THE TEAMS. UM, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE'RE TRACKING A CTB AWARD DATE OF SEPTEMBER OF 2026.
OKAY? THAT'S WHEN WE WILL HAVE CHOSEN, UM, A DESIGN BUILD TEAM, AND WE'LL BE ENTERING A CONTRACT WITH THEM.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THE PROJECTS.
SO FROM THAT POINT, THERE WILL BE ABOUT A THREE YEAR, UM, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WHERE WE ARE SHOWING, UH, LIKELY CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION IN AUGUST OF 29.
SO AGAIN, THAT IS PRELIMINARY, THAT'S NOT LOCKED IN, UH, BUT JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE ON, UH, THE PROJECT AND, AND WE ARE TRACKING ABOUT A YEAR EARLY NOW.
UH, SO ALL, ALL GOOD NEWS STORIES.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DDI? YES, SIR.
UM, IF WE DO, WORST CASE SCENARIO, HAVE, UM, FUNDS OVER OR BUDGET OVER OVERAGE THOSE THAT WOULD BE LAST MONEY IN, CORRECT? I MEAN, THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD THAT HAVE TO BE IN BEFOREHAND? UM, OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THE COUNTY WOULD GET INVOLVED WITH, UM, SOON FOR ADDITIONAL MON
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ADDITIONAL MONIES ALLOCATED? SO, SO WE ARE GOING, THE, THE STATE WILL KIND OF DRIVE THE CAR TO TRY AND GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS.UM, WE'RE GONNA TRY AND KEEP THAT OFF OF Y'ALL'S PLATE.
UH, NOW IF WE FALL, FALL SHORT, THEN WE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, BUT I JUST WANNA ASSURE YOU THAT WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, TO TAKE CARE OF IT BEFORE WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS AND SAY, WE NEED MORE MONEY, OKAY? OKAY.
UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS, THIS REPORT.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU COULD COMMENT ABOUT BENNINGTON ROAD? YEAH, SO, SO BENNINGTON ROAD, UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UM, INCLUDED A REDESIGN TO, UH, REALIGN BENNINGTON ROAD FURTHER TO THE NORTH NORTH, UM, TO HELP WITH ACCESS MANAGEMENT FOR THE, UH, FACILITIES BACK THERE.
UM, THAT IS PART OF THE, THE, YOU KNOW, UM, INCREASE IN COST BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL SMART SCALE APPLICATION.
SO, UM, THAT, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT IS, UH, DRIVING COST UP A LITTLE BIT IS I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE APPLICATION, UH, ASSUMED AN EIGHT INCH WATER LINE GOING ACROSS A 6 23 WHEN I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A 16 INCH WATER LINE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE'RE TRACKING AS, UH, AS REASONS WHY THE BUDGET HAS INCREASED A LITTLE BIT OR THE, THE ESTIMATE HAS INCREASED.
BUT, UM, YEAH, WE ARE TRACKING THAT AND INCLUDING IT IN THE DESIGN AT THIS MOMENT.
AND THEN AS PART OF, UM, PROJECT ROCKY'S, UM, UH, CONDITIONS, THERE WAS A, THE, THE SIGNAL TEMPORARY SIGNALIZATION OF THE EASTBOUND, SO IF YOU'RE COMING EASTBOUND 64 MM-HMM
I JUST LIKE TO SAY, SO I COULD TURN TO GET TO TRACTOR SUPPLIER OR MAYBE MINI BREWERY, UH, MAKE A LITTLE EASIER.
UM, CAN, CAN YOU GIVE ANY UPDATE ON THAT? SO WHAT I KNOW IS THAT THERE IS A PROFFER CONDITION WITH, WITH, UM, PROJECT ROCKY THAT, THAT USER TO PUT A SIGNAL IN, UM, THAT HAS COME TO US.
UH, IT STARTED OUT AS A PERMANENT SIGNAL AND HAS TRANSITIONED TO A TEMPORARY SIGNAL.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE APPROVAL FOR THE TEMPORARY SIGNAL CAME IN FROM OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING GROUP ABOUT LAST WEEK.
NOW, WHETHER THAT HAS BEEN, UM, SHIFTED TO, TO THE USER YET, I'M NOT SURE, UH, IT HAS MM-HMM
SO NOT, NOT NECESSARILY MY GROUP, BUT, UM, I, I AM TRACKING THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO IN THE SPIRIT OF MR. PETERSON ASKING QUESTIONS, I KNOW THE ANSWERS TO
AND I JUST WANT TO, UH, I JUST MAKE A COMMENT.
SO JUST FOR, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T AWARE, THERE WAS A, THE, THE PROJECT TEAM CAME TO US AND TO PUT A TEMPORARY SIGNAL, THE, THE PROCUREMENT FOR THAT WAS SIX TO NINE MONTHS OUT.
UM, SO THEY HAD WANTED TO DO A WOODEN POLE, A A MUCH MORE TEMPORARY SITUATION.
IF YOU'VE BEEN ON ASHLAND ROAD RECENTLY, YOU'VE SEEN THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK ALREADY DONE.
UM, AND WE DOT WORKED GREAT WITH US IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
IT WAS NOT, IT IS NOT THEIR PREFERRED, BUT THEY SAW THE, THE, THE NECESSITY OF GOING WITH THIS, THIS DESIGN, AND THE PROJECT TEAM STEPPED UP ON, UM, FROM THE, THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE TO, TO OWN SOME OF IT.
SO WE SHOULD SEE SOME IMMEDIATE IMPROVEMENTS THERE, UH, BASED ON WHAT'S GOING IN BEFORE, UH, THIS STUFF.
BUT ALL, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE PASSED THIS AND THIS ROOM AND THE OTHER ROOM WERE FULL, YOU KNOW, WE SAID WE MADE A COMMITMENT THAT WE ARE, THAT WAS, WE JUST, WE DIDN'T GET TO THE END ZONE YET.
WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL HAVE TO PUNCH IT IN BY DELIVERING THIS PROJECT AND, AND NOT HAVING, UH, NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE COUNTY.
AND WE ARE WORKING VERY, VERY HARD.
AND SO FAR I CAN SAY WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, SO WE HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE ON THAT TREND AND, UH, THAT INTERSECTION WILL GET BUILT OUT AND WE WILL HAVE A GREAT CORRIDOR ADDING A LOT OF VALUE TO THE COUNTY.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT'S A VERY EXCITING PROJECT FOR US.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES? QUESTION WIN.
UH, THEN WE HAVE SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL REPORTS THAT ARE IN YOUR PACK PACKET.
UH, WE HAVE A FIRE AND RESCUE REPORT FOR FEBRUARY, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY.
I'M SORRY, UM, THEIR SEC 20, UH, FISCAL YEAR 2025 FISCAL, UH, PROJECTIONS FOR THE SECOND QUARTER, THE AP JANUARY 20, 25.
FEBRUARY 4TH, 2025, BROADBAND REPORT AND THE FEBRUARY AGRICULTURAL SUMMARY.
DOES THE BOARD, ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY REPORTS TO BRING FORWARD? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL JUST MENTIONED THE RRTP IS MEETING THURSDAY AFTER THE ROTARY
[8. Board Reports]
BREAKFAST.UH, SO I WILL BE ATTENDING THAT AND WE'LL HAVE INFORMATION TO
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BRING BACK.UM, FROM A-C-V-T-A PERSPECTIVE, I ALSO COME BEARING GOOD NEWS.
UH, SO THERE, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR SECURING STATE FUNDS CALLED SMART SCALE, WHICH IS WORKS ON A BIANNUAL, UH, BASIS.
PRIOR TO OUR, OUR, OUR HIRING OF A DEDICATED TRANSPORTATION LIAISON, LUIN HAD ONLY BEEN AWARDED ONE PROJECT, AND THAT PROJECT WAS SUMMARILY TAKEN AWAY FROM US.
UM, SINCE THEN, WE HAVE HAD, UM, A LOT OF SUCCESS IN THESE SMART SCALES PROJECTS.
UH, I THINK 14 PROJECTS WERE AWARDED TO THE RICHMOND RE REGION IN THIS LATEST ROUND.
NOW I WANNA BE CAREFUL, UH, WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED.
CTB, THE ORGANIZATION THAT, UH, FIGURES OUT THAT ASSESSES THE PROJECTS AND THEN DOLES OUT THE MONEY BASED ON HOW THE PROJECTS RANKED, CAME BACK WITH THEIR STAFF REPORT.
RICHMOND WAS THE NUMBER ONE REGION TO RECEIVE PROJECTS, AND GLIN RECEIVED THREE.
SO WE, WE ONLY, BASED ON OUR POPULATION AND WHAT WE CONTRIBUTE, WE CAN ONLY APPLY FOR FOUR PROJECTS.
WE WERE APPROVED FOR THREE OF OUR FOUR PROJECTS, THOSE BEING, UM, UH, THE, AND THE NUMBER ONE SCORING PROJECT IN THE REGION WAS THE FAIRGROUNDS ROAD AND MAIDEN ROAD, UH, ROUNDABOUT, UH, WE GOT $5.1 MILLION OF THE TOTAL COST OF 8.4, THE 2 88 SOUTHBOUND AUXILIARY HARD SHOULDER RUNNING LANE.
UH, WHICH IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD GOTTEN AWARDS FOR THE NORTHBOUND RUNNING LANE.
IT'S A 29, 21 $0.9 MILLION PROJECT.
WE'RE AWARDED 14.4, AND THEN ALSO IMPROVEMENTS TO THE TWO 50 AND 2 88 INTERSECTION, UM, TO THE TUNE OF 22.4 MILLION.
SO THIS, THIS GO AROUND BECAUSE OF THE HARD WORK OF OUR STAFF, UM, AND PARTNERSHIP WITH VDOT, UH,
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE FIGURING THAT OUT.
SO JUST, UH, GREATLY APPRECIATED AND, UM, ALL VERY, VERY MUCH NEEDED PROJECTS.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MR. SPOON HOUR IS VERY ACTIVE WITH THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.
HE TAKES A LEADERSHIP ROLE AS CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, AND I THINK HAS BEEN RES EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE, INFLUENTIAL IN HELPING GET THOSE PROJECTS FOR US.
UM, THE CONSENT AGENDA, I'LL JUST GO OVER THESE.
[XI. Consent Agenda]
AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 GLAND COUNTY BUDGET BY BUDGETING AND APPROXIMATELY MEETING 27,576 IN GENERAL FUND FOR THE LIBRARY OF VIRGINIA RECORDS PRESERVATION GRANT FOR THE CIRCUIT COURT CLERK'S OFFICE.UM, RESOLUTION FOR FURTHER, ANOTHER RESOLUTION FOR REQUESTING THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION EXCEPT TUCKAHOE BRIDGE SECTION TWO SUBDIVISION STREETS INTO THE SECONDARY SYSTEM OF STATE HIGHWAYS FOR MAINTENANCE.
AND ADDITIONALLY, A RESOLUTION REQUESTING THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION EXCEPT REED MARSH, SECTION ONE SUBDIVISION STREETS INTO THE SECONDARY SYSTEM OF STATE HIGHWAYS FOR MAINTENANCE.
AND ANOTHER CONSENT ITEM, AMEND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS 2001 RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING COUNTY ATTORNEY TO OR DESIGNEE TO ACCEPT DEEDS FOR THE COUNTY.
AND FINALLY, A REQUEST FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVAL OF STIPEND FOR THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE.
AND WE THANK THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT AS VDOT FOR TAKING THOSE ROADS INTO THE STATE MAINTENANCE.
UM, I CAN, UH, HAVE A MOTION, UH, AS A GROUP OR INDIVIDUALLY ON THESE, UH, WANNA DO IT AS A GROUP.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVE CONSENT AND AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE.
YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY, WE CAN DO THAT ON DISCUSSION.
ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? NO, SIR.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, NOW, NEW BUSINESS.
UH, WE HAVE MS. MARIANNE DAVIS,
[XII. New Business]
WHO WILL PRESENT THE 2025 REASSESSMENT REPORT.UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS AND MR. CARPENTER AND ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
I GIVE, UM, I'M MARYANNE DAVIS GLAND COUNTY ASSESSOR, AND I'M PRESENTING TO YOU THE, UH,
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REASSESSMENT REPORT FOR 2025, AND IT'S ONCE A YEAR, SO BEAR WITH ME IF I HAD MESSED THIS UP.UM, SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, THE, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME OF THIS IS A REVIEW EACH YEAR, BUT BECAUSE THIS ONCE A YEAR, WE GO OVER IT.
SO ASSESSMENTS ARE MADE AT MARKET VALUE AS OF JANUARY OF EACH YEAR.
ASSESSMENT NOTICES ARE MAILED OUT JANUARY THE 15TH.
AND THE NOTE, THE PROPERTY ORDERS I HAVE UNTIL THE 15TH TO APPEAL THEIR ASSESSMENTS.
AND PART OF THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS IS THAT SALES ARE REVIEWED FOR ACCURACY BY RESEARCH AND FIELD INSPECTIONS, AND THEN THEY'RE SAMPLED FOR STATISTICAL TESTING, UH, ASSESSMENT RATIOS AS PART OF THAT TESTING.
AND IT MEASURES THE LEVEL AND DETERMINES THE QUALITY OF THE REASSESSMENT PERFORMANCE.
AND THAT'S TAKING THE ASSESSMENT DIVIDED BY THE SALE PRICE.
THE COEFFICIENT OF DISPERSION, WHICH IS A STATISTICAL TERM, IS A MEASURE FOR ASSESSMENT UNIFORMITY.
AND BECAUSE WE ARE GUIDED BY THE GUIDELINES OF IAAO, WHICH IS THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF ASSESSING OFFICERS, THEIR STANDARDS IS WHAT THE STATE HAS ADOPTED.
UH, OF THESE SALES ASSESSMENT RATIO WOULD BE BETWEEN 90 AND 90% AND 110, UH, FOR ANY PARTICULAR CLASS.
AND THEN A COEFFICIENT OF DISPERSION, WHICH THEY'RE SAYING A LEVEL BELOW 15% IS DESIRABLE.
HOWEVER, A COD OF, UH, 20% IS ACCEPTABLE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN RURAL AREAS.
NOW, THE OTHER THING IS TO NOTE THAT THE VIRGINIA LOCALITIES AND PART OF THE STATE CODE AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THIS SLIDE INDICATES THAT, UH, IS EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN ASSESSMENT RATIOS NO LOWER THAN 70% OR HIGHER THAN 130 TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL AND STATUTORY MANDATES.
OKAY? SO IN DOING SO, WHAT I SHOWED YOU ABOUT THE SALES ASSESSMENT SALES RATIO AND ABOUT THIS COEFFICIENT OF DISPERSION, WE ARE IN ACCEPTABLE RANGE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS IN RED OF THE SALES ASSESSMENT RATIO AT BEING THIS YEAR AT 9.988, AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL AT 0.93.
UH, THE DISPERSION, UH, COEFFICIENT OF DISPERSION IS LESS THAN 15, WHICH IS SHOWN FOR RESIDENTIAL 4.45 AND THE COMMERCIAL AT 8.39.
PART OF THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR OFFICE, THE INFORMAL APPEAL IS WHERE THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, UH, CONTACTS THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE BETWEEN JANUARY 15TH AND FEBRUARY 15TH.
WE REVIEW WITH THEM THEIR PROPERTY CHARACTERISTICS.
WE LIKE TO CONDUCT AN INTERIOR FIELD INSPECTION REVIEW, RE WE
SO FOR A FORMAL APPEAL WITH THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION, IF PROPERTY OWNERS IS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE INFORMAL APPEAL OUTCOME, THEY HAVE 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS RESULTS LETTER TO MAKE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
THESE FORMS ARE AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST FROM OUR OFFICE, AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE CIRCUIT COURT.
AND IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE RESULTS OF THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION, THEIR FINAL STEP IS TO TAKE IT TO COURT.
THEY CAN'T JUST JUMP FROM ONE, IT'S A A STEP.
IT'S GOTTA BE ONE STEP TO THE NEXT.
OKAY? SO OF SOME OF THE SUMMARY OF THE 2025 VALUES IS, UM, THE TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE NET OF LAND USE, NEW CONSTRUCTION IS 8.6%.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE LAND USE OR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
NOW OF THE $9.6 BILLION OF TOTAL TAXABLE REVENUE, TWO POINT OR 242 MILLION IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS ABOUT 2.8%.
AND OF THE OVERALL VALUE, IF YOU ADD THOSE TWO, IT'S ABOUT 11.4% TOGETHER.
NEW CONSTRUCTION CONSISTS OF ABOUT 12% OF THAT IN COMMERCIAL, AND 88% IS RESIDENTIAL.
A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL WE PICKED UP THIS YEAR.
UH, THE TCSD FAIR MARKET VALUE IS 2.8 BILLION, AND LAND USE ASSESSMENTS ARE AT EIGHT POINT OR 832 MILLION.
AND THESE ARE CHARTS JUST SHOWING YOU THE NINE, UH, $0.6 BILLION IN TAXABLE REVENUE.
UH, AS IT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
UH, THE REAL ESTATE, NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, YOU SAW LAST YEAR WE HAD A LOT MORE NEW CONSTRUCTION GOING ON.
I THINK THAT'S WHEN MOSAIC GOT A REAL BIG KICK.
UH, WE HAD THAT, WE HAD TUCKAHOE BRIDGE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL.
AND UM, THEN, UM, I HAD A LOT MORE AVERY POINT LAST YEAR IN THE APARTMENTS.
THERE WAS A, UM, COLLECTIVE APARTMENTS.
OKAY, THE ASSESSMENT VALUATION.
SO WE ALSO LOOK AT FOR COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL,
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UM, AS FAR AS THE PERCENTAGE GOES THIS YEAR IN 2025, THE RES THE RESIDENTIAL IS 80.2% AND THE COMMERCIAL IS 17.8.UM, NOW FROM LAST YEAR YOU'RE SEEING IT'S 24 WAS, UH, THE COMMERCIAL WAS 18.65 AND THE RESIDENTIAL WAS 81.35%.
AND THIS, THIS JUST HAP, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SHOWS MORE GROWTH IN RESIDENTIAL THAN IT IS IN COMMERCIAL AT THIS POINT.
AND THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION, BUT IT'S OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE'VE CONSTANTLY HOVERED AROUND THE 18, 19, 17% FOR COMMERCIAL, UH, WHEREAS THE RESIDENTIAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN HIGHER.
SO BACK TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, JUST A LITTLE INFORMATION ON THAT.
UM, SHOWING THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL HERE, UH, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TWO POINT OR 242 MILLION THAT WE PICKED UP THIS YEAR? 87% OF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN ONLY 12% WAS, UH, COMMERCIAL.
AND THAT'S, I THINK I, I HAD MAYBE ONE, I HAD ONE BUILDING IN AVERY POINT, UH, THAT I PICKED UP THIS YEAR, UNLIKE LAST YEAR.
AND THEN THE TUCKAHOE CREEK, UM, SERVICE DISTRICT, UH, WE'RE SHOWING TWO POINT, UM, $8 BILLION.
UH, WE HAD A, A GROWTH OF 15 POINT 16 OR 62% INCREASE, BUT 5.52 OF THAT WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHEREAS THE REASSESSMENT WAS AROUND 10 POINT 10% REASSESSMENT.
AND THEN THE LAND USE VALUE DEFERRED IS, UM, THE $832 MILLION, WHICH EQUATES TO ABOUT A FOUR, $4.4 MILLION OF REVENUE THAT'S NOT COLLECTED.
AND THEN FOR THIS YEAR, OUR TOTAL CHANGE WAS LIKE 11.4% AS OF THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.
IT'S HIGHER THAN WE HAD ESTIMATED, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CRYSTAL BALL.
SO THANKFULLY, I I WASN'T UNDERESTIMATING.
UM, THE INCREASE IS STILL DUE TO INCREASING COSTS OF, OF A CONSTRUCTION, UH, THE LACK OF AN IMPROVED PROPERTIES FOR SALE MAKING THIS A SELLER'S MARKET.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR 2026, THE REVENUE PROJECTION, UH, ASSUMES ADDITIONAL FOUR TO 5%, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT, WHAT THE INTEREST RATES WILL DO.
UM, SO I'M ALWAYS CONSERVATIVE WHEN I'M THINKING THIS FAR OUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, COULD, COULD YOU STATE FOR THE RECORD AND FOR THE PUBLIC WHAT YOUR ROLE OR HOW, WHAT OUR ROLE IS IN YOUR EVALUATION AND ASSESSMENTS? WELL, OUR, WE STRICTLY LOOK, UH, AT VALUING THE PROPERTY AT WHAT THE STATE CODE SAYS.
THE STATE CODE SAYS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ASSESS PROPERTY AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF MARKET VALUE.
UM, IT VARIES ONE END ON THE OTHER, BECAUSE IF YOU WERE ALWAYS AT A HUNDRED, YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT ABOVE AND A LOT BELOW.
SO WE TEND TO BE JUST A MARGINAL BELOW, UH, THAT, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
BUT OURS, OUR, UM, OUR OFFICE IS STRICTLY ESTABLISHING VALUE SO THAT TO BE SURE THAT, UM, EVERYBODY IS VALUED CORRECTLY.
AND THEN AS YOU ALL SEE THE BUDGET, AS IT, AS IT, UH, WHAT MONIES YOU NEED AS FAR AS THE RATE PER A HUNDRED THAT NEEDS TO BE ESTABLISHED, UM, THAT'S, UH, WHERE YOU ALL GET INTO SETTING THE RATE, UH, FOR THAT.
SO ASIDE FROM THE RATE, WE DON'T REALLY INFLUENCE YOUR OFFICE.
IN FACT, I DON'T USUALLY SEE YOU BOTH, BUT ONCE A YEAR,
IF I DISMAY TO, UH, MR. UH, CHRISTIE'S POINT, THE ASSESSOR IS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS NO ABILITY TO INFLUENCE, UH, THAT OFFICE, THE EMPLOYEES OF THAT OFFICE OR THE, OR, OR WHAT THEY DO.
SO THE LAW KEEPS THEM VERY, VERY SEPARATED FROM, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION IS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD, BUT IT'S AN INDEPENDENT BOARD COMPLETELY.
AGAIN, THE BOARD HAS NO ROLE TO PLAY IN THEIR DECISIONS AS WELL.
SO, SO THE BOARD IS COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT AND, AND UNABLE TO HAVE ANY INFLUENCE IN, UH, IN THE ACTIONS OF THIS OFFICE THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
ANY NO QUESTIONS, SIR? MR. AU? YEAH, JUST, JUST TWO COMMENTS.
SO JUST, JUST SO FOLKS ARE AWARE, I, I WAS, I GOT INTO A CONVERSATION WITH ANOTHER, UH, SUPERVISOR THAT ASKED, WELL, HOW OFTEN DO WE DO OUR ASSESSMENTS? AND WE
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SAID, EVERY YEAR.AND HIS JAW JUST ABOUT DROP BECAUSE YOU CAN, IMA WE SEE OUR, OUR OUR TAX BILLS NOW, AND WE'RE SEEING THE IMPACTS THAT THE MARKET IS HAVING AND IT'S FAVORABLE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE, IT'S INTERESTING THAT PEOPLE CONCERNED WHEN THEIR, THE VALUE OF THEIR MOST PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANT ASSET GOES UP, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY DOES HIT THE POCKETBOOKS.
UM, IMAGINE IF THIS WAS A FIVE YEAR JUMP MM-HMM
UM, AND YOU'RE SEEING THE INCREASES IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
SO THANK YOU TO YOUR OFFICE FOR DOING THIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
UH, THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOLKS HEARD, BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE TECHNICAL, IT TOOK ME A COUPLE, COUPLE TIMES SEEING THIS PRESENTATION TO CATCH ON WHAT YOU, WHAT I'VE HEARD, I, I REMEMBER WE HAVE OUR, OUR MEETING WITH OUR GLE TEAM TONIGHT, AND THE FIRST TIME THEY MET WITH, UH, MR. PETERSON, I WAS IN THAT CLASS.
UH, IT WAS, YOU COULD, I COULD NEVER SELL MY HOUSE FOR WHAT YOU'RE ASSESSING IT FOR.
WELL, WHAT WHAT WAS EXPLAINED TO US JUST NOW IS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK BACK AND CON, I'M GONNA TRY TO PUT THIS IN TERMS OF I CAN UNDERSTAND, SO HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY CAN NO PROBLEM IS WE LOOK AT ALL THE HOUSES, WE ASSESS THE HOUSES, THEN THE HOUSES THAT SOLD, WE LOOK AT THOSE AND IF WE ASSESS THEM AND WE WERE WAY OFF, LIKE WE WERE OVER ASSESSING AND THEY WEREN'T SELLING FOR THAT MUCH, WE WOULD NOTICE THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, WE ARE WITHIN 1.2% OF WHAT THOSE ASSESSMENTS ARE.
SO, MEANING IF WE ASSESSED YOUR HOUSE AT, YOU KNOW, A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, YOU WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO SELL, UH, ACTUALLY, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO SELL THAT 98.9 HUNDRED, 88,000, YOU SOLD THAT HOUSE FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO WE ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT BELOW ASSESSING WHAT YOU, WHAT THE MARKET IS SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING FOR THEIR HOUSES.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS A STATISTICAL ANALYSIS WHERE EVERYTHING IS THROWN IN TOGETHER.
YOU MAY HAVE SOME, IT'S BELOW MM-HMM
IN FACT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AS WE'RE WATCHING THE MARKET IN THIS PARTICULAR TIME, UH, WELL, THAT IF IT'S CONTINUING TO MOVE FASTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE, THAT WE ACTUALLY WAIT AND WATCH FOR THOSE SALES NEXT YEAR INTO TO SEE IF THAT WAS JUST AN ANOMALY OR IF IT REALLY IS TRULY INDICATING OF WHAT THE MARKET IS GOING THROUGH.
BUT THE, THE BROAD POINT IS THAT OUR, OUR ASSESSMENTS ARE ABOUT AS ACCURATE AS WE CAN GET AS FAR AS WHAT THE MARKET IS.
AND, AND YOU SEE THIS INFORMATION IS ALSO, UH, CHECKED WITH THE, UM, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION.
THEY ASK FOR ALL OF OUR SALES AND THEY DO THEIR OWN ANALYSIS SEPARATE FROM US.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GIVE US A REPORT CARD OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
NOW, I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU WILL LOOK THAT UP RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS, UH, IT, IT, IT'S LOW ONLY BECAUSE WHENEVER YOU HAVE A BIG INCREASES IN YOUR ASSESSMENT BASE LIKE WE DO, YOU WILL FIND THAT 'CAUSE THEY'RE COMPARING OUR ASSESSMENT TO WHAT THE SALES ARE IN 2025.
THERE'S NO WAY WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN 2025.
SO TYPICALLY THE THEY ARE, UH, OUR RATIOS ARE GOING TO BE OFF A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE MARKET'S STILL MOVING.
MR. CHAIR HAVE ONE QUESTION? YES.
UM, WOULD YOU MIND GOING BACK A COUPLE SLIDES? OKAY.
OH, WAIT, UH, THE, I THINK 12 NUMBER 12 TUCKAHOE CREEK.
SO YEAH, YOU, THIS IS, SO THIS SHOWS A GROWTH 15.62% MM-HMM
SO IF, IF WE'VE GOT A TOTAL OF 11.4%, I THINK IT WAS, THIS IS SHOWING THAT THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY IS SEEING EVERYBODY IS SEEING A HIGH MM-HMM
PERCENTAGE INCREASE, BUT THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE COUNTY IS SEEING A DISPROPORTIONATE RISE.
AND THAT'S DUE TO MARKET CONDITIONS OF COURSE.
BUT IT JUST, UM, JUST HIGHLIGHTS THAT THEY, THE INDIVIDUALS ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY ARE NOT BEING, UM, HIT QUITE AS HARD AS THE INDIVID AS THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE EASTERN PORTION.
AND THIS IS JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE TCSD, THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS IS BASED ON.
THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY WE'RE WATCHING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING BROADBAND AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE CHANGES GOING ON OUT THERE, UM, IN THE MARKET AND, YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH.
I MEAN, THIS IS A VERY REFINED, UH, PROCESS YEAH.
SO THAT WE CAN GET NEIGHBORHOOD TO NEIGHBORHOOD ZIP CODE BY ZIP CODE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IT'S NOT, I, I THINK SOME PEOPLE HAVE A MISPERCEPTION THAT IT'S HITTING EVERYONE EQUALLY.
AND THAT'S JUST MARKET CONDITIONS, WHICH IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ESTABLISH NEIGHBORHOODS TO, TO, FOR LIKE AREAS.
UM, SO WE DON'T COMPARE THE WEST END OF THE COUNTY TO THE EAST
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END.SO WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPARABLE AREAS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND EVEN THOSE THAT'S, UH, SOUTH OF ROUTE SIX, THEY ARE FURTHER AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME AMENITIES THAT, THAT WE ENJOY HERE CLOSER TO THE COURTHOUSE, BEING CLOSE TO FOOD LINE.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T REALIZE THESE THINGS UNTIL YOU START MOVING WAY OUT IN THE COUNTRY,
SO, UM, UH, BUT YES, WE LOOK AT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND, YOU KNOW, IN ANY GIVEN YEAR THOSE LINES CAN MOVE BECAUSE AS THE MARKET IS CHANGING, SO CAN THESE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD LINES BECAUSE OF, OF WHAT THE MARKET'S DOING.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? QUESTION MS. DAVIS? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING HERE.
WE CONVINCED YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
UH, NEXT, UH, I'M GONNA ASK FOR A MOTION FOR US TO ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING
[XIII. Closed Meeting, Certification, Board Action]
RECRUITMENT FOR THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITIONS AS PERMITTED BY VIRGINIA CODE 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A ONE CERTIFICATION AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE CLOSED MEETING WILL OCCUR.AND, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, MR. CHAIR, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF VIRGINIA CODE 2.2 DASH 37 11 A ONE, I MOVE THAT THE UCHIN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE IN CLOSE MEETING FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING RECRUITMENT FOR THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITIONS.
ANY DISCUSSION ON FAVOR? ROLL CALL, SHALL WE? NO.
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BOARD MEMBERS HEREBY CERTIFY TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE.FIRST ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS, LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
AND TWO, ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION CO CONVENING.
THE CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? JUST MADE IT, YOU MADE THE MOTION.
LET'S, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? MR. CARBONDALE, YOU WANNA DO A ROLL CALL? UM, YES.
WE'LL NOW ADJOURN WITH A BOARD.
UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ACCEPT VICTOR CARPENTER'S LETTER OF RESIGNATION AND APPOINT MANUEL AVAREZ AS INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND AUTHORIZED EXECUTION OF ASSOCIATED AGREEMENTS.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? UM, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL ON THAT AS WELL.
AND SO NOW WE'LL GO INTO DINNER BREAK, OKAY.
[XIV. 4:45 PM - Dinner Break: The Board has dinner with the Goochland Leadership Enterprise (GLE) at the Career Technical Center]
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EVERYONE THAT, UH, BE RESPECTFUL AND, UH, THERE'S A LIMIT OF THREE MINUTES, UH,[XVI. Citizen Comment]
TO SPEAK ON ANY SUBJECT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE SPECIFICALLY LISTED IN THE AGENDA.AND IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE, UH, THAT WOULD, UH, LIKE TO SECEDED THEIR TIME TO YOU, WE CAN, UH, HAVE THEM COME FORWARD AND STATE THEIR NAME AND, AND, UH, WHERE THEY LIVE.
AND THEN, UH, GIVE YOU UP TO, I THINK, TWO 10 MINUTES, TWO MINUTE INCREMENT INCREMENTS UP TO A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? GOOD EVENING.
UM, MICHELLE GARMAN, 4,003 WORLD VIRGINIA LANE.
UH, THE FIRST THING I WANNA DO IS THANK MR. CARPENTER FOR ALL HE'S DONE FOR THE PAST YEAR WHEN I'VE BEEN COMING HERE WITH A VARIOUS ISSUE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU STAND UP HERE AND GIVE YOUR COMMENTS AND NO ONE EVER HAS AN EXPRESSION ON YOUR FACE, SO YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THEY'RE HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OR NOT.
BUT I WILL SAY, MR. CARPENTER, YOU HAVE HEARD WHAT I SAID.
YOU'VE ACTED ON IT AND WE'VE PRETTY MUCH RESOLVED THE ISSUE.
SO THANK YOU, AND I WISH YOU WELL IN YOUR NEW ENDEAVOR.
UH, THE OTHER THING I WANNA BRING UP IS THE POSTAL ISSUE THAT I BROUGHT UP WHEN I WAS HERE, I GUESS MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO.
OF COURSE, EVERY TIME I COME HERE, I'VE BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH INSURANCE PEOPLE AND IT'S SO CONFUSING TO THEM WHEN I TELL THEM MY AD MY STREET ADDRESS IS LOUISA.
I DON'T LIVE IN LOUISA, I DON'T LIVE IN LOUISA COUNTY, AND IT ALWAYS ENDS UP BEING A VERY LONG, DRAWN OUT PHONE CALL.
SO IF WE CAN KEEP THAT AT THE TOP OF SOMEONE'S HEAD AND TRY TO GET THE ADDRESS ISSUES CHANGED, I'M, I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, BUT I THINK I ALSO REPRESENT MANY OTHER PEOPLE IN GLAND COUNTY.
AND AGAIN, MR. CARPENTER, GOOD LUCK.
ANYONE ELSE? MY NAME IS CHARLES HAYDEN.
IT'S 35 65 HAYDENVILLE FRANK ROAD.
I COME TO SPEAK ON THE TAX SITUATION AND ALSO, BEFORE I FORGET IT, I WANT TO THANK MR. CARPENTER FOR A GOOD JOB DONE FOR THE COUNTY.
IT IS, UH, HE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB, AND I AM SORRY TO SEE HIM GO BECAUSE I THINK HE RESONATE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE IN THE COUNTY WITH COMMON SENSE.
COMMON SENSE DOING, IF I PUT IT LIKE THAT, JUST COMMON SENSE DOING.
AND I, I WANT TO, AND SO MANY TIMES YOU HAVE ISSUES AND YOU TALK WITH PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T HEAR YOU.
UM, AND THEY ARE TIED UP IN THE LAW AND WHAT THE LAW SAYS, BUT WE ARE CITIZENS LIVING UNDER THE LAW.
UM, AND SOME OF THE LAWS ARE BURDENSOME AND, BUT MS. CARPENTER HAVE A GOOD LIFE AND TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.
UM, THE TAX BURDEN IS ENOUGH ALREADY.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ASSESSMENT IS, IS GOING TO BE ENLARGED.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO NECESSARILY JUST BECAUSE IT CAN BE ENLARGED TO ENLARGE IT BECAUSE PEOPLE IN THIS PARTICULAR TIME, GROCERIES ARE PHENOMENAL.
PRICE OF POWER FOR YOUR HOUSE IS PHENOMENAL.
AND, UH, TO ADD THIS BURDEN TO THEM IS NOT GOOD.
UM, IT'S ONE THING IF YOU ARE IN DIRE STRAITS AND
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YOU NEED IT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO OR NOT, BUT IF YOU DO, THEN I GUESS YOU NEED TO REASSESS IT AND LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND SEE HOW THAT YOU CAN HANDLE IT.AND THEN THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE IN THE COUNTY AND THEY HAVE SUPPORTED THIS COUNTY BY PAYING TAXES WHEN, WHEN THEY COULD OR COULD NOT PAY IT.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE WESTERN, WESTERN FRONT.
AND THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ON THE WESTERN FRONT ARE PRETTY MUCH PEOPLE THAT ARE COUNTRY FOLKS LIVING, UH, IN THE COUNTRY, LIVING BY WHATEVER MEANS THEY CAN LIVE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE POOR, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW THEIR SITUATION, BUT I KNOW THAT PEOPLE IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY HAVE MORE TROUBLE THAN SOME OF THOSE IN THE EASTERN COUNTY.
JESUS SAID BASICALLY THE CHILDREN ARE FREE, THE CHILDREN, WE ARE CITIZENS.
THE CHILDREN OF THIS COUNTY AND THE CHILDREN OF THIS NATION SHOULD BE FREE.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? MY NAME IS CHARLES BENJAMIN HAYDEN, II 3 5 65 HAYDENS WILL FIGHT FOR MR. CARPENTER.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
APPRECIATE YOUR WORK FOR THE COUNTY.
AND UM, I JUST CAME TONIGHT ALSO TO TALK ABOUT ASSESSMENTS.
UM, I'VE NOTICED AN INCREASE IN IT AND I THINK THAT IT GETS A LITTLE ROUGH BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION OF HOW THE ECONOMY IS, HOW OUR PAYCHECKS ARE.
AND I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AND NOT SO MUCH INCREASED BUT LOOKED AT.
AND I THINK AS FAR AS GOOCHLAND, PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF CAP ON IT SO THAT WE LIVING HERE HAVE THAT WE DON'T GET OVERBURDENED AND WE HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO STAY HERE BECAUSE IF IT GETS TOO MUCH, YOU CAN'T REALLY LIVE HERE.
SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CAP THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
AND ALSO, I NOTICED THAT OTHER FOLKS, BROKERS COME IN, LAND BROKERS COME IN BUY AND THEY UP THE PRICE, WHICH UPS OUR ASSESSMENT, WHICH UPS OUR TAXES.
AND I THINK IF ANYTHING, THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES THAT BEAR THAT BURDEN.
NOT THE GUC, NOT THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN HERE, NOT THE PEOPLE, WHOEVER THEY HAVE HAD THAT LAND IN THEIR NAME OR NOT.
IF THEY'VE LIVED ON IT, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT GOING UP.
SO I SAID THE BOARD PLEASE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND CONSIDER THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, APPLICATION BY
[XVII. Public Hearings]
GEL AND MARTA BENSON REQUESTING TO AMEND CONDITIONAL USE PIT PERMIT K CU 2 18 0 0 11 TO ADD HOMEBASED BUSINESS AND TO INCREASE THE PERMITTED SQUARE FOOTAGE[1. District 4 - CU-2024-00020 Application by Rogel and Marta Venson requesting to amend conditional use permit (CUP) case CU-2018-00011 to add home-based business and to increase the permitted square footage for the detached accessory family housing unit on 11.38 acres at 375 Songbird Lane on Tax Map No. 58-8-0-2-C. The property is zoned Agricultural, Limited (A-2). The CUP is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-112 in accordance with Sec. 15-285.A. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Single Family Residential, Low Density. The applicant has requested deferral of this public hearing application to the March 4, 2025 Board of Supervisors meeting.]
FOR THE DETACHED ACCESSORY FAMILY HOUSING UNIT ON 11.38 ACRES AT 3 75 SONGBIRD LANE ON TAX MAP NUMBER FIVE EIGHT DASH EIGHT DASH ZERO DASH TWO DASH C.THE PROPERTY IS ZONE AGRICULTURAL LIMITED.
THE CUP IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONE ORDINANCE SECTION 15 1 12 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 15 285 A.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY.
THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A DEFERRAL FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING APPLICATION TO THE MARCH 4TH, 2025 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
MS. SHERRY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT SOMETHING? NO, THAT IS CORRECT.
MR. UH, VOGEL HAS SOME HEALTH ISSUES SO HE WILL NOT BE ATTENDING.
UM, I DID WANT TO ADD, WHICH IS ALSO ON THE SCREEN, UM, THE SECOND WEEK'S ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WAS REMOVED FOR FROM THE, UH, NEWSPAPER ON ERROR.
SO THE APPLICATION CANNOT BE HEARD AT TONIGHT'S MEETING BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE, UM, THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.
I JUST WANNA BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION, OKAY? OKAY.
THANK YOU OF COURSE FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER MR. MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE THE BOARD DEFER CONSIDERATION OF CONTINUAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU DASH 2024 DASH 20 TO MARCH 4TH, 2025.
SECOND, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL, SIR.
UH, NEXT ITEM COUNTYWIDE ORDINANCE AMENDING COUNTY CODE SECTION
[2. Countywide - Ordinance amending County Code Sec. 14-251 (Tuckahoe Creek Service District) to include within the service district parcels located on Ashland Road, identified as Tax Map Numbers 47-1-0-107-0, 47-1-0-108-0, 47-1-0-109-0, 48-1-0-18-0]
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DISTRICT TO INCLUDE WITHIN THE SERVICE DISTRICT PARCELS LOCATED ON ASHLAND ROAD IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP NUMBERS 47 DASH ONE DASH ZERO DASH OH SEVEN DASH ZERO AND 47 DASH ONE DASH OH EIGHT DASH ZERO AND 47 DASH ONE DASH ZERO DASH 1 0 9 DASH ZERO AND 48 DASH ONE DASH 18 DASH ZERO.MR. WAYNE STEVENS WILL PRESENT.
WAYNE TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT A, UH, APPLICATION FROM AMAZON, LLC.
UH, LEMME SEE, BUT I'LL GO INTO THE LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
FIRST, AS Y'ALL KNOW, IT'S A WATER AND SEWER DISTRICT SWORN BACK IN 20 2002 TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER SERVICES TO CERTAIN AREAS OF THE COUNTY AND TO PROVIDE A MECHANISM FOR PAYMENT OF DEBT SERVICE ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE COUNTY CONSTRUCTED.
THERE'S JUST OVER 2,500 PARCELS IN THE DISTRICT AS OF TODAY.
AND SINCE 2002, THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS PARCELS ENTERING THE PAR, THE DISTRICT AND VERY FEW THAT HAVE EXITED THE DISTRICT.
WHAT'S BEFORE YOU? TONIGHT IS A PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UM, IN RESPONSE TO AN APPLICATION FOR BEING ADDED TO THE TCST BY AMAZON SERVICES, LLC.
THEY ARE THE OWNER OF FOUR PARCELS ON ASHLAND ROAD, WEST SIDE.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, BUT WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE SITE MAP HERE IN A SECOND.
AND, UH, THEY'RE PART OF A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT KNOWN AS PROJECT ROCKY.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT NAME PROJECT ROCKY IS BASICALLY A E-COMMERCE DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND IT REQUIRES PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER SERVICE, WHICH IT CANNOT RECEIVE UNLESS THE PROPERTIES ARE PUT IN THE DISTRICT.
THERE'S YOUR MAP OF THE PARCELS, UM, WAS DOWN AT THE CONSTRUCTION SITE TODAY.
THEY'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG WITH THE, SOME EARTH MOVING DOWN THERE AND THINGS ARE LOOKING GOOD.
SO THE PROPOSED CODE CHANGE IS TO CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 14 DASH 2 51 A ONE, WHICH WHICH IS THE LIST OF PARCELS THAT ARE IN THE DISTRICT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE ENTERED THE FOUR PARCELS IN THE, UH, NUMERICAL ORDER, WHICH IS THE WAY THEY'RE PUT INTO THE, INTO THE, UH, INTO THE CODE.
AND THAT'S PRETTY QUICK PRESENTATION, BUT, UH, JUST WANTED TO KNOW, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS OR DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS? IS THERE, IS THERE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH, UH, I GUESS PERCENTAGE OF OUR CAPACITY THAT THEY WOULD BE USING? IT'S ACTUALLY NOT GONNA BE VERY MUCH.
UM, IT, THEY'RE GETTING A SIX INCH METER, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ONSITE STORAGE, SO THE AMOUNT OF WATER THEY'LL BE TAKING OUT OF OUR SYSTEM AT ANY GIVEN TIME IS RELATIVELY LOW.
THEY KEEP THEIR TANKS FILLED AND IF THEY HAVE A, A FIRE OR SOMETHING, THEY DRAW 'EM DOWN.
THEIR DOMESTIC USAGE IS ACTUALLY QUITE SMALL.
I THINK IT'S A FOUR INCH METER FOR THE DOMESTIC SERVICE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UH, ALRIGHT.
ANDY CONLIN FROM ROTH JACKSON HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
WE'D ASK FOR YOU TO, UH, APPROVE IT.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY INCLUDING, UH, OVER $800,000 OF, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING PUT IN BY THIS APPLICANT AS WELL AS OVER, UH, $500,000 OF IMPACT FEES THAT THEY'LL BE PAYING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO START WITH THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A GENERAL BENEFIT OF ADDING PROPERTY THAT'S USING, UH, THE, UH, UH, TUCKO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT SERVICES, INCLUDING THE VALOREM TAX, AS WELL AS ASSIST WITH, UH, UNUSED CAPACITY AS WELL AS HELP PAY DOWN THE DEBT A LITTLE QUICKER.
SO WITH THAT, I'D ASK THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND, UH, WOULD APPROVE THIS, UH, ADDITION TO THE TELCO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU MR. CONNELL.
NOTHING CHANGED SINCE 10 O'CLOCK.
TWO TENFOLD OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
OH, LET'S OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYONE WANNA SPEAK ON, ON THIS, THIS APPLICATION.
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NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC.MY NAME IS BEN LEWIS, 6 5 4 FAIRHURST COURT IN MANNEQUIN SABOT.
I WAS WONDERING IF SOMEONE COULD SHARE THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THIS, UH, OF PROJECT ROCKY.
WHAT ADDITIONAL COSTS THE, THE COUNTY WOULD INCUR AND WHAT THE FINANCIAL BENEFITS OF THIS PROJECT WOULD BE.
MS. LEWIS, IF I MAY, I BE GLAD TO GET YOUR INFORMATION.
WE'LL BE GLAD TO SIT DOWN AND GO ALL THAT WITH YOU.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE COUNTY.
SO THERE WILL BE, UH, PROPERTY TAXES PAID, THERE'LL BE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES PAID, AND OF COURSE THE TCSD, UH, BUT WE'VE GLAD TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND GO OVER ALL THAT.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE? I'M STEVE LEVITT, 70 36, UH, BEN HALL CIRCLE.
UM, I LIVE IN PARKSIDE VILLAGE.
WE ARE DOWNSTREAM FROM AMAZON.
AND MY QUESTION IS, WHEN THEY ATTACH, WE'RE ALREADY GETTING BAD WATER.
IT'S NOT DRINKABLE TO A LOT OF RESIDENTS.
WHAT ARE THEY GONNA ADD TO IT THAT'S GONNA FLOAT DOWNHILL TO US? THAT'S GONNA WORSEN THE WATER QUALITY THAT WE HAVE AT THE, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE, UH, OF THE COUNTY.
THERE'S GOTTA BE INDUSTRIAL WASTE.
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO TO PROTECT US? WHAT IS AMAZON GONNA DO? OR ARE YOU GONNA CONTINUE TO CONTAMINATE US WITH BAD WATER? THANK YOU MR. LEVIN.
IF I COULD, JUST TO, TO THE, THE GIST OF YOUR QUESTION, UM, OF COURSE AMAZON'S WASTEWATER WILL BE IN A TOTALLY SEPARATE SYSTEM, SO IT'LL RUN TOTALLY DIFFERENT PIPES.
IT'LL NEVER COME IN CONTACT WITH THE DRINKING WATER, BUT THE DRINKING WATER PASSES THROUGH THERE, BUT IT WILL NOT PASS THROUGH THE PIPES.
I'LL BE GLAD TO TALK TO YOU AFTERWARDS AS WELL, SIR.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
AND ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD BOARD, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE, AMENDING COUNTY CODE SECTION 14 DASH 2 51 TO ADD THESE TAX PARCELS TO THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT.
ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, MR. LYLE? I LIKE NO, MR. UH, CHAIRMAN.
NEXT ITEM, COUNTYWIDE ORDINANCE AMENDING
[3. Countywide - Ordinance amending Goochland County Code Sec. 13-10.4 (Exemption for household goods and personal effects of residents) to clarify that antique vehicles must have antique plates in order to qualify for a personal property tax exemption.]
GLAND COUNTY CODE SECTION 13 DASH 10.4 EXEMPTION FOR HOUSEHOLD GOODS AND PERSONAL EFFECTS OF RESIDENCE.TO CLARIFY THAT ANTIQUE VEHICLES MUST HAVE ANTIQUE PLATES IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR A PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION.
UM, MY NAME'S ALEXANDER SPALDING.
I'M YOUR NEW DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY FILLING IN FOR TARA, UH, MCGEE, WHO'S GENERALLY SITTING HERE AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE, WHO I BELIEVE JUST MOVED SEATS.
UH, BUT ANYWAY, YOU HAVE SUMMED IT UP.
THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE IS REQUESTING THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT TO SECTION 13 DASH 10.4 OF THE GLAND COUNTY CODE, WHICH IS RELATED TO EXEMPTION FOR HOUSEHOLD GOODS AND PERSONAL EFFECTS OF RESIDENTS.
AND THE, UM, AMENDMENT IS TO CLARIFY A PROCESS THAT'S ALREADY IN USE IN THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE, THAT ANTIQUE MOTOR VEHICLES ARE ONLY ELIGIBLE FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION IF THEY OBTAIN ANTIQUE PLATES FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL NOT CHANGE THE TAX EXEMPTION FOR ANY VEHICLES, BUT WILL PROVIDE MORE TRANSPARENCY TO RESIDENTS ABOUT THIS PROCESS.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SHE'S AVAILABLE.
LET'S OPEN THE PERIOD FOR COM PUBLIC COMMENT.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE?
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WARD ANDREW GARBRANDT JR.UH, I RESIDE AT 1511 RIVERVIEW YARD, MAIDENS, VIRGINIA.
JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE ANTIQUE PLATES ON ANTIQUE VEHICLES.
DOES THIS ALSO INCLUDE THE SPECIAL USE VINTAGE PLATES ON VEHICLES OLDER THAN 1972? GOOD EVENING.
COMMISSIONER REVENUE? YES, IT DOES APPLY TO THE VINTAGE PLATES AS WELL.
SO THIS CAME ABOUT, A CITIZEN BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE SAME WORDING THAT WAS IN THE STATE CODE, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP TO MAKE IT MORE TRANSPARENT FOR THE CITIZENS.
ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? YES, MR. YEAH.
WELL, UM, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT, UH, THE BOARD ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE ENDING GLAND COUNTY CODE SECTION 13 DASH 10.4 TO CLARIFY THE COUNTY'S ANTIQUE VEHICLE TAX EXEMPTION PROCESS.
AND SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, I'LL DO A ROLL CALL.
NEXT, UH, IN DISTRICT THREE WE HAVE CU 20 24 0 0 0 1 9
[4. District 3 - CU-2024-00019 Application by Mary Elizabeth and Jhimy Ortuno requesting a conditional use permit (CUP) for two short-term rentals, unhosted, and a public assembly place on 58.3 acres at 2371 River Road West on Tax Map No. 54-3-0-C-0. The property is zoned Agricultural, Limited (A-2). The CUP is required by County Zoning Ordinance Sec. 15-112 in accordance with Secs. 15-285.G and 15-290. The Comprehensive Plan designates this area as Rural Enhancement Area.]
APPLICATION BY MARY ELIZABETH AND JIMMY, OR TWO OH REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR TWO SHORT TERM RENTALS, UNHOSTED IN A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE ON 58.3 ACRES AT 2371 RIVER ROAD WEST ON TAX MAP NUMBER 54 DASH THREE DASH ZERO DASH C DASH ZERO.THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL LIMITED.
THE CUP IS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 15 DASH ONE 12 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTIONS 15,285 POINT G AND 15 DASH TWO 90.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA.
MS. JAMIE SHERRY WILL PRESENT.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M JAMIE SHERRY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS A REQUEST IN DISTRICT THREE BY JIMMY AND MARY, UH, ELIZABETH ORO FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNHOSTED AND TWO DWELLINGS AND A PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2371 RIVER ROAD WEST.
THE VICINITY MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THE RED CIRCLE, AND THE AERIAL PHOTO MAP SHOWS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED.
THE ZONING MAP SHOWS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ZONED A TO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DESIGNATED AS RURAL ENHANCEMENT AREA AS ARE ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THE 58 ACRE PARCEL IS USED AS A RESIDENT AS WELL AS FOR FARMING ACTIVITIES.
THERE ARE THREE DWELLINGS LOCATED ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WITH FARMING ACTIVITIES GENERALLY OCCURRING BEHIND THE RESIDENCE TOWARDS THE RIVER.
THE ESTATE AT RIVER RUN IS LOCATED ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE WEST, AND THE RIVER CLIFF SUBDIVISION IS LOCATED ON THE WEST TOWARD LOCATED WEST OF THE ESTATE.
THE GENERAL AREA IS CHARACTERIZED BY LARGE RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND FARM USES.
THE APPLICANT OWNS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE EAST, HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THIS, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TWO USES, SHORT TERM RENTAL UNHOSTED, AND A PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.
ON THE SCREEN, I HAVE A MARKED UP VERSION OF THE APPLICANT'S CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO HELP DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO USES THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL UNHOSTED.
THE REQUEST IS TO USE THE TWO SMALLER DWELLINGS ON THE PROPERTY FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CIRCLED IN BLUE AND BASED ON SEPTIC CAPACITY, THE OCCUPANCY FOR EACH DWELLING WOULD BE FOR THE GUEST
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HOUSE, ONE, WHICH IS MARKED WITH THE ONE SIX OVERNIGHT GUESTS WOULD BE ALLOWED AS WELL AS IN NUMBER TWO.THERE WOULD BE FOUR OVERNIGHT GUESTS ALLOWED.
THE APPLICANT WILL BE STAYING ON THE PROPERTY WHEN THE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE BOOKED.
ON THE SCREEN IS THE SAME CONCEPTUAL PLAN MARKED UP TO SHOW THE PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY ACTIVITIES.
THE MAIN EVENT AREA WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE EVENT TERRACE, UH, IDENTIFIED IN PURPLE.
AND THE SMALLER PARTIES WOULD BE AT THE POOL HOUSE, WHICH IS LOCATED, UM, TOWARDS THE TOP IN BLUE.
THE PRIMARY PARKING AREA WILL BE GRAVEL, WOULD BE GRAVEL LOT WITH 38 PARKING SPACES WITH A SEPARATE OVERFLOW PARKING.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE SHOWN IN GREEN.
EVENT ACCESS WOULD BE AT THE WESTERN ENTRANCE ON RIVER ROAD WEST AND AN EMERGENCY VEHICULAR ACCESS MUST BE PROVIDED TO, TO BOTH EVENT AREAS.
THE FIRE ACCESS ROAD IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
SO FOR THE POLICE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TWO LOCATIONS ON THE PROPERTY TO HOLD EVENTS.
UH, THE EVENT TERRACE, WHICH WAS SHOWN ON THE, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS WELL AS THE POOL, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO OPERATE FROM MARCH TO NOVEMBER WITH NO EVENTS BEING HELD ON EASTER SUNDAY.
MEMORIAL DAY OR LABOR DAY EVENTS WOULD OCCUR ONLY ON FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY WITH NO EVENTS BEING HELD MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
A MAXIMUM GUEST, UH, MAXIMUM OF 150 GUESTS WOULD BE ALLOWED WITH THE MAXIMUM 12 EVENTS PER YEAR.
EVENTS THAT WOULD BE HELD ON THE TERRACE WOULD BE HELD FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY FROM 1:00 PM TO 10:00 PM WITH ALL AMPLIFIED SOUND ENDING AT 9:00 PM AND ANY EVENT WITH AMPLIFIED SOUND MUST OCCUR WITHIN TENTS WITH BARRIERS ON ALL SIDES.
THE TENTS MUST BE REMOVED WITHIN 10 DAYS OF THE, AFTER THE CONCLUSION OF THE EVENT.
THE POOL EVENTS COULD BE HELD ALSO FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY BETWEEN 1:00 PM AND 10:00 PM BUT ALL AMPLIFIED SOUND MUST END BY 8:00 PM EACH EVENT AT THE POOL WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF FOUR HOURS.
AN OUTDOOR VENUE WITH AMPLIFIED SOUND PRESENTS THE POTENTIAL FOR NOISE IMPACTS ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
THE CLOSEST DWELLING TO THE EVENT TERRACE ARE LOCATED NORTH ACROSS FROM RIVER ROAD WEST, APPROXIMATELY 950 AND 870 FEET AWAY.
RIVER CLIFF RIVER CLIFF SUBDIVISION IS THE NEXT CLOSEST OCCUPIED AREA TO THE WEST WITH THE CLOSEST HOUSE BEING APPROXIMATELY, UH, 1080 FEET FROM THE EVENT TERRACE.
THE ESTATE AT RIVER RUN IS THE NEXT CLOSEST, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 21, UM, FEET AWAY, 2100 FEET AWAY, EXCUSE ME.
AND THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST ARE THE FURTHEST FROM THE EVENT TERRACE, WHICH ARE APPROXIMATELY TWENTY THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY NINE HUNDRED FEET AWAY.
SO THE ESTATE AT RIVER RUN IS AN EVENT VENUE LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY, UH, TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
THEY RECEIVED THEIR INITIAL CUP APPROVAL, WHICH WAS IN 2019, AND THE APPROVALS OCCLUDED 900 ATTENDEES PER EVENT UP TO UP TO 40 PRIMARY EVENTS PER CALENDAR YEAR WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
SIX OF THOSE PRIMARY EVENTS WERE AT WITH AMPLIFIED SOUND COULD BE HELD OUTDOORS WITHIN A STRUCTURE ENCLOSED ON ALL SIDES.
THEY WERE LIMITED TO A FOUR HOUR PERIOD ENDING BY 10:00 PM WITH ALL AMPLIFIED DEVICES ORIENTED TOWARDS THE RIVER WITH NO SUBWOOFERS.
AND THIS HAD A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION, UH, EXPIRATION DATE, EXCUSE ME, IN 2024.
THEY WERE APPROVED FOR A RENEWAL OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SOME OF THE REVISED AMENDMENTS INCLUDE A MAXIMUM OF 500 ATTENDEES PER EVENT, 150 PER CALENDAR YEAR, 150 EVENTS PER PER CALENDAR YEAR, AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, AND A STRUCTURE WITH SIDE PANELS.
AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOBODY SPOKE IN OPPOSITION.
UM, OF, UM, ANY OF THE CONDITIONS FOR THE RENEWAL.
A COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD IN MARCH OF 20 24 15.
CITIZENS ATTENDED AS WELL AS PLANNING.
COMMISSIONER COSBY DISCUSSIONS INCLUDED THE TYPE OF EVENTS TO BE HOSTED, OPERATIONS OF THE EVENTS AND SHORT TERM RENTALS, NOISE, TRAFFIC, SIGNAGE, PARKING, AND THE EXISTING FARM ACTIVITIES ON OCTOBER 30TH, 2024, BY INVITATION OF THE APPLICANT, 11 NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS SUPERVISOR WINFREY AND SPOON HOWER ATTENDED A MEETING ON THE PROPERTY.
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THAT WERE DISCUSSED INCLUDED THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF USES, MUSIC ASSOCIATED WITH PRIVATE WEDDINGS HELD ON THE PROPERTY, AND THE LOCATION OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPOSED VENUE, AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ACROSS RIVER ROAD WEST, EXCUSE ME, OTHER COMMUNITY INPUT INCLUDED.UM, PRIOR TO THE SCHEDULING OF THE SEPTEMBER 19TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, PLANNED TO BE HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS REQUESTED A MEETING WITH, UH, MR. WINFREY, DISTRICT THREE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REPRESENTATIVE AND JESS JESS MCLAUGHLIN, DISTRICT THREE, PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND STAFF TO DISCUSS CONCERNS WITH THE APPLICATIONS.
AT THIS MEETING, TOPICS INCLUDED EXISTING ACTIVITIES AND NOISE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY, NOISE AND TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THE TWO VENUES OPERATING NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND THE POTENTIAL TRESPASSING ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES FROM SHORT TERM RENTAL GUESTS.
PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, STAFF RECEIVED 14 EMAILS, TWO PHONE CALLS, AND ONE IN PERSON VISIT.
VISITOR, UH, FROM A CITIZEN EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT THE PROPOSED EVENT VENUE IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
CONCERNS WERE RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF EVENTS, LOUD MUSIC HEARD AT PRIVATE EVENTS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE USE OF THE PRIVATE SHOOTING RANGE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS BEING OPERATED WITHOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
STAFF RECEIVED FOUR UM, EMAILS IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION.
SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN DECEMBER, STAFF RECEIVED THREE EMAILS IN OPPOSITION THAT WAS ABOUT, UH, THAT WAS AS OF FOUR 30 THIS AFTERNOON AND ONE EMAIL.
IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES ON THE PROPERTY, UH, FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
AT THE TIME WHEN THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN OPERATING IN OPERATION OF TWO UNHOSTED, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
UM, IN TALKING WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY STOP THE SHORT TERM RENTAL BOOKINGS, UH, WHILE THE APPLICANT, WHILE THE APPLICATION IS STILL PENDING.
IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT PLACED A PREFABRICATED SHED TO HOLD FARMING EQUIPMENT ON THE PROPERTY WITHOUT A PERMIT.
UM, FARM USE DOES NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT, BUT BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN, IT WOULD REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR IT TO REMAIN WHERE THE APPLICANT COULD REMOVE IT TO ABATE THE VIOLATION.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS DECIDED TO MOVE THE STRUCTURE OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO WITH THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF EVENTS, GUESTS HOURS OF OPERATION, AND WITH A THREE YEAR OPERATION PERIOD BEFORE, UM, EXPIRATION FOR THE PUBLIC PLACE OF ASSEMBLY, THIS USE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AT THE DECEMBER 19TH, 2024 MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WITH A FOUR ONE VOTE.
MR. PATAK VOTED AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
11 CITIZENS SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION WHILE SIX CITIZENS SPOKE IN OPPOSITION.
OPPONENT STATED THE STATED CONCERNS WITH THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PORTION OF THE APPLICATION, SAFETY CONCERNS RELATED TO FIREARMS AND THE POTENTIAL FOR EVENT CONFLICTS WITH TWO WEDDING VENUES IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY NOISE FROM THE MUSIC ASSOCIATE AND NOISE MU ASSOCIATED WITH BOTH EVENT VENUES.
SO, UH, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THERE ARE 40 CONDITIONS AND THEY'RE DIVIDED INTO THREE SEPARATE SECTIONS.
YOU HAVE, UM, CONDITIONS THAT APPLY TO BOTH USES, UM, BOTH THE PUBLIC PLACE OF ASSEMBLY AS WELL AS THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, AS WELL AS CONDITIONS THAT ARE EXCLUSIVE TO THE PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY AND THOSE THAT ARE EXCLUSIVE TO THE, UM, SHORT TERM RENTAL AND HOSTED.
SO RATHER THAN ME READING ALL OF THEM, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH EACH SECTION AND HIGHLIGHT OPERATIONAL DETAILS AND CONDITIONS THAT ARE NOT STANDARD.
SO CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH FOUR ARE STANDARD CONDITIONS RELATED TO, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CON CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT I DISCUSSED DURING THE PRESENTATION.
THE REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN RURAL CHARACTER FOR NEW STRUCTURES, UM, AND SIGNAGE, UH, ON THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS PREVENTING, UH, PARKING ON RIVER ROAD WEST.
CONDITIONS FIVE THROUGH SEVEN ARE ALSO STANDARD REQUIRING EMERGENCY ACCESS TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND MAINTAINED PROHIBITING FIREWORKS HUNTING AND FIREARMS CONDITIONS.
NINE AND EIGHT AND NINE ARE ACTUALLY NOT STANDARD CONDITIONS.
THOSE ARE, UM, INCLUDED AS RESPONSE,
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UH, FROM SOME OF THE CONCERNS HEARD BY THE COMMUNITY.UH, NO GUESTS ON THE PROPERTY SHALL OPERATE ALL TERRAIN VEHICLES OR DIRT BIKES, UM, AND EXISTING VEGETATION WILL NOT BE REMOVED TO HELP MAINTAIN THE EXISTING BUFFER.
NUMBER 10 IS THE STANDARD LEASE OR TRANSFER OR LEASE CONDITION.
SO, UM, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS PERTAIN ONLY TO THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY PLACE.
CONDITIONS, UH, 11 THROUGH 14 ARE ALL STANDARD CONDITIONS PERTAINING TO THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, UH, PLACE.
USE THE LOCATIONS FOR THE EVENTS, UM, DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE, UM, REQUIRED PRIOR TO ACTUALLY OPENING, UM, EITHER OF THE OPERATIONS, UH, PROVIDING 38 PARKING SPACES, AS WELL AS, UM, ALSO REQUIRING AN OVERFLOW PARKING.
SO, UM, NUMBER 15 IS THE PAVING WAIVER.
THIS IS STANDARD, BUT THIS IS JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO NOTE.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT.
UM, THEY DO, UM, HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK THE BOARD FOR A WAIVER OF PAVING THE, UH, THE PARKING LOT CONDITIONS 16 THROUGH 19 PROVIDE OPERATIONAL LIMITATIONS TO THE MONTH OF THE YEAR FROM MARCH TO NOVEMBER, A LIMIT OF 150 AT ONE EVENT AND A LIMIT OF 12 EVENTS PER YEAR.
OF THOSE 12 EVENTS, THERE SHALL NOT BE MORE THAN FOUR EVENTS PER CALENDAR YEAR WITH A HUNDRED AND A HUNDRED FIFTY TWO A HUNDRED FIFTY ATTENDEES, AND THERE SHALL NOT BE MORE THAN FOUR EVENTS PER CALENDAR YEAR WITH, UM, BETWEEN 51 AND 99 ATTENDEES.
THE REST OF THE ONES WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER 50, AS MANY AS THEY COULD GET UP TO 12 EVENTS CONDITIONS 2320 AND 23 ARE SPECIFIC TO THIS APPLICATION.
FOR THE WEEKLY LIMIT, A MAXIMUM OF ONE EVENT IS PERMITTED EACH FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, EXCEPT FOR TWO EVENTS ARE PERMITTED IF THEY ARE FOR THE SAME USER RELATED TO EACH OTHER.
AND ONE OF THE EVENTS LAST ONLY, UM, LESS TWO HOURS OR LESS.
NO EVENT SHALL OCCUR ON EASTER SUNDAY.
MEMORIAL DAY OR LABOR DAY EVENTS MAY OCCUR ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY FROM 1:00 PM TO 10:00 PM AND ALL AMPLIFIED SOUND MUST CEASE BY 9:00 PM AND THERE SHALL BE NO EVENTS HELD MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
CONDITION NUMBER THREE IS DEALING WITH AMPLIFIED SOUNDS WHICH LIMIT, UH, ARE LIMITED TO HAVING NO SUBWOOFERS ALLOWED.
AMPLIFIED SOUND IS PERMITTED INSIDE STRUCTURES THAT ARE ENCLOSED WITH TEMPORARY BARRIERS ON ALL SIDES.
OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION IS PERMITTED AT THE POOL, BUT IT IS LIMITED TO A FOUR HOUR PERIOD AND MUST END BY 8:00 PM AND ALL OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED DEVICES SHALL BE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE RIVER CONDITIONS.
24 THROUGH 26 ARE STANDARD, REQUIRING AT LEAST ONE UNIFORMED, UM, UH, SECURITY OFFICER.
WHEN, UH, THERE ARE A HUNDRED OR MORE GUESTS THAT INCLUDE MUSIC OR ALCOHOL, OR IF THEY ARE CHARGING ADMISSION, THEY MUST ATTAIN THE APPROPRIATE, UM, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL LICENSE AND, UM, ANY TENT THAT IS ERECTED MUST GET A BUILDING PERMIT IF REQUIRED.
AND TENTS MUST BE REMOVED WITHIN SEVEN DAYS.
CONDITIONS 27 THROUGH 29 ARE STANDARD PERTAINING TO LIGHTING ANNUAL NOTICE TO THE COUNTY, HAVING A DESIGNEE PRESENT, UM, ON THE PROPERTY DURING THE ACTIVITIES.
AND NUMBER 30 RECOMMENDS A THREE YEAR EXPIRATION DATE OF THE PUBLIC PLACE OF ASSEMBLY.
THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE STANDARD FIVE YEARS.
THE FILING CONDITIONS ARE FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL UNHOSTED.
UH, FOR CONDITIONS 31 AND 32, THEY ALLOW FOR THE TWO GUEST HOUSE TO BE USED FOR, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, GUEST HOUSE NUMBER ONE HAS A SIX PERSON OVERNIGHT GUEST STAY, AND NUMBER TWO HAS A LIMIT OF FOUR.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE BASED ON SEPTIC CAPACITY.
CONDITION 28 REQUIRES, OOPS, OH, 38.
I THOUGHT I WAS READING THE WRONG ONE.
CONDITION 38 REQUIRES ALL GUESTS, UH, THAT MUST BE INFORMED OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
UM, UNHOSTED RENTAL IMPLIES OR, OR MEANS THAT THE APPLICANT CAN RENT THE PROPERTY, BUT IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE ON SITE WHILE IT'S BOOKED.
THIS CONDITION REQUIRES THE PROPERTY OWNER OR DESIGNEE TO BE ON THE
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PROPERTY WHILE THE GUEST HOUSE GUEST HOUSES ARE RENTED OR RENTED.THIS COMES WITH A FIVE YEAR EXPIRATION DATE.
UM, THIS IS OUR STANDARD FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO THIS DIFFERS THE TWO DIFFERENT, UM, UH, THE TWO FOR DIFFERENT USERS HAVE DIFFERENT EXPIRATION DATES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS IF I CAN.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. SHERRY? THANK YOU, MS. SHERRY.
COULD YOU TELL ME, IS THERE A DEFINITION FOR AMPLIFIED IS A RADIO AMPLIFIED MUSIC? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
AND YES, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AMPLIFIED.
I THINK PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THAT IS NOT, UH, THAT REQUIRE, THAT HAS, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION IN OUR ORDINANCE.
THIS IS ME, UH, GIVING MARK HOW, HOW WE, UH, WOULD INTERPRET IT.
ANYTHING THAT IS ELECTRIFIED WITH SOUND THAT PROJECTS FROM SOME SORT OF DEVICE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UM, APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? SO GO.
SO DO YOU REMEMBER HOW TO USE THE THING FORWARD BACKWARDS.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO GLIN, MR. CARPENTER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR.
I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF MOUNT BERNARD FARM.
FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ME, MY HUSBAND JIMMY, AND MY SON JAMES AND DAUGHTER ISABELLA ARE HERE.
UM, LAST MEETING, WE, WE DID A LOT ABOUT CHARACTER AND WE DO WANNA TELL THE COMMUNITY WHO WE ARE WHO ARE THE C OROS.
UM, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN MARRIED FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
WE RAISED OUR CHILDREN IN GLAND, RANDOLPH ELEMENTARY TO SALEM CHRISTIAN TO BENEDICTINE AND ST.
WE'VE BEEN VERY ACTIVE MEMBERS IN TROOP SEVEN 10 WITH THE SCOUTS.
UM, AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF VOLUNTEER WORK AS A CHIEF ELECTION OFFICER.
UM, CURRENTLY I'M FULL-TIME MANAGING OUR FARM AND PROPERTY AND SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTIES IN GLAND.
UM, AND MY HUSBAND, HE IS VERY CLOSE TO RETIREMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, THANK GOODNESS.
UM, AND I, I DID WANNA EMPHASIZE ON THAT BECAUSE AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'D REALLY HEARD ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS SPEAKING ABOUT FEELING UNSAFE.
UM, MY HUSBAND HAS MANY, MANY YEARS OF TRAINING AND IS LEGALLY ABLE TO TRAIN OTHERS IN GUN SAFETY.
HE'S TAUGHT ALL OF US ABOUT GUN SAFETY, AND WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION OF LETTING STRANGERS OR ANYONE ELSE COME ON THE PROPERTY AND USE GUNS, UM, OR WANDER AROUND.
SO THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP.
WE HAVE OUR OWN UTVS THAT WE USE FOR FARMING.
UM, BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION OF LETTING STRANGERS COME OUT AND JUST WANDER OUR PROPERTY.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT AS PROPERTY OWNERS, AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT OUR NEIGHBORS TO FEEL, UM, UNSAFE IN THAT AREA.
SO WHY ARE WE HERE? UM, IN 2020 WE DECIDED TO MAKE BIG CHANGES.
UM, A LOT OF THINGS WERE HAPPENING IN 2020, NOT JUST FOR US.
I THINK THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE WORLD.
UM, SO WE STARTED LOOKING FOR FARMS. WE STARTED LOOKING FOR LAND, FOR IDEAS TO HAVE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WE COULD, UH, MANAGE THINGS ON OUR OWN AND PROVIDE FOR OURSELVES AND OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S WHEN WE FOUND MOUNT BERNARD FARM.
UM, ABSOLUTELY FELL IN LOVE WITH IT.
SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COME VISIT.
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST CHARMING PLACES, I THINK IN GOLAND, A LITTLE BIASED.
UM, IT HOLDS SOME HISTORICAL CONTENT TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN USING IT AS A TOOL TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN VALUES, SUCH AS THE FARMING, BUT ALSO ABOUT, UH, PROVIDING FOR YOURSELF, OWNING YOUR OWN BUSINESS, UM, HOW TO MANAGE, UH, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU ARE SELF-EMPLOYED.
UM, AND SO SOME OF YOU HAVE ASKED, AND WE'VE HEARD IN THE LAST MEETING, THERE COULD BE BETTER FITS FOR YOUR PROPERTY THAN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UM, OURSELVES.
AND, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT WE ALL HAVE DREAMS AND ASPIRATIONS.
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WE FELL IN LOVE, LOVE WITH THIS LAND, WE HAD MANY DREAMS. WE THOUGHT OF SO MANY THINGS.WE HAD SO MANY IDEAS WITH THE KIDS.
WE THOUGHT THE POSSIBILITIES WERE ENDLESS.
SO IT, IT, IT HAS BEEN PRETTY TOUGH ON US TO HEAR, UM, HOW THESE DREAMS MIGHT AFFECT OTHERS IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT WANTS ANYBODY UNHAPPY.
UM, SO WE FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING BALANCE TO TRY TO NAVIGATE WHAT, WHAT WE DREAM OF AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE VERSUS KEEPING THE PEACE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND, AND OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, SO JAMIE WENT OVER WHAT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
UM, OUR TOTAL ACREAGE IS ABOUT 130.
SO, UM, WHEN YOU SAW THE MAPS, WE DO FEEL LIKE THERE IS ENOUGH LAND FOR ALL THIS TO HAPPEN.
WE HAVE TONS OF FORESTS IN BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBORS TREE LINES THAT WE INTEND TO PRESERVE.
UM, AND I THINK MR. LYLE, SOMETHING I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT LATER WAS, UM, CON CON UH, OH, GETTING THE WORD MY CONSERVATION THANK YOU.
UM, I WAS TOLD YOU, YOU MIGHT KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT.
SO PRESERVING THE LAND, KEEPING IT RURAL, THAT'S KIND OF OUR BIG, OUR BIG IDEA WITH THE PROPERTY.
UM, WITH FARMING, WE'VE, WE'VE DISCOVERED MANY CHALLENGES, WHICH THAT'S THE WAY FARMING GOES.
WE KNEW THAT WHEN WE SIGNED UP FOR IT.
UM, SO WE WANTED TO FIND A BALANCE OF KEEPING THE PROPERTY BEAUTIFUL THE WAY IT IS, UM, TO SHARE IT WITH OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THIS WAS OUR DREAMS. THESE WERE WHAT WE FELT WE COULD MANAGE AS A FAMILY, UM, LONG TERM.
AND SO WE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING THE SMALL VENUE, NOTHING HUGE LIKE NEXT DOOR.
UM, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MANAGE WITH PROFESSIONALS.
SO, UH, AGAIN, THAT WAS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS TO KNOW, IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A VENUE, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN CHARGE THAT UNDERSTANDS THE INDUSTRY, UNDERSTANDS THE RULES, AND MAKES SURE THAT NO SHENA SHENANIGANS ARE GOING ON.
SO WE HAVE THAT ALL, YOU KNOW, PLANNED TO HAVE THAT ALL SET UP IF THIS GETS APPROVED.
UM, WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD WITH JAMIE TO COME UP WITH WAYS THAT THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, ISN'T OVERBURDENING THE NEIGHBORS', OVERBURDENING THE STATE OF RIVER RUN, SOMETHING SMALLER, DIFFERENT, SOMETHING PROBABLY MORE AFFORDABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A, A BIG NEED FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
WE DON'T HAVE HOTELS EXCEPT FOR THE SHORT PUMP AREA.
UM, AND AGAIN, I JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE, NEVER EVER HAVE WE EVER WANTED ANYONE TO BRING GUNS OR, OR MOTORIZED VEHICLES TO OUR PROPERTY AND, AND RUN AROUND AND TRESPASS.
WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON THINGS.
UM, SO WELL CAN'T REALLY SEE IT.
UM, LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS SOMETHING I JUST DID GOOGLE EARTH AND CAME UP WITH MY OWN NUMBERS FOR DISTANCES IN THE VARIOUS CENTERS IS WHERE OUR EVENT WOULD BE.
AND YOU CAN JUST SORT OF SEE, THERE'S JUST SO MANY TREE LINES AND THINGS IN THE, THAT SEPARATE US FROM OUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, ONE OF THE, FROM THE LAST MEETING, ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL HAD RECOMMENDED, MAYBE INSTEAD OF MUSIC GOING TOWARDS THE RIVER, IT COULD GO TOWARDS OUR OTHER LOT, WHICH IS THAT WHOLE GROUP OF TREES, UM, TO THE EAST OF, UH, HEADING TOWARD THE GOOD PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER, UH, THOUGHT ABOUT NOISE, UH, WHICH TO US SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE NOISE.
UM, MR. GALLAND, LAST TIME, HE HAS A, UM, DUST DECIBEL READER IN HIS HOME.
UM, AND HE'S MENTIONED THE NIGHT THAT WE HAD OUR DAUGHTER'S QUINCEANERA, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD NO RULES.
WE WERE JUST HAVING A PRIVATE PARTY.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING.
I LOOKED UP WHAT DOES 20 DECIBELS SOUND LIKE? AND IT WAS A RUST OF LEAVES OR A WHISPER FROM FIVE FEET AWAY.
SO I FEEL IF WE PUT IN THE CONTROLS THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY, UM, ALONG WITH PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE HELPING US WITH THE VENUE, I, I REALLY THINK WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
I THINK IT'LL BE, UM, GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO IN CONCLUSION, UM, THE WAY I, THE WAY WE SEE IT AS A FAMILY, THE BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY, THIS IS SLOW GROWTH.
WE'RE NOT THE BIG AMAZON THAT'S COMING IN.
WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE OUR LAND, KEEP IT AGRICULTURAL.
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UM, THIS WILL HELP US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE LOCAL GOODS FOR OUR NEIGHBORS.HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT FARM STAND BACK UP.
UM, THERE'S MUCH NEEDED SHORT-TERM STAY AVAILABILITY IN THE COUNTY.
SO THAT'S GONNA SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES WHEN YOU BROUGHT, BRING THAT IN.
AND THE VENUE SUPPORTS ECONOMIC GROWTH, UM, TOURISM, AND THEN THERE'S COMMUNITY PRIDE IN HAVING A HISTORICAL SITE THAT OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY CAN BE A PART OF.
UM, IT'S AFFORDABLE COMPETITION.
YOU KNOW, COMPETITION IS, IS GOOD.
I MEAN, DIFFERENT PEOPLE WANT DIFFERENT THINGS AND I CAN SEE US NEIGHBORING WITH VENUES, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY NEXT DOOR.
THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE TONS OF BUSINESS THAT COMES TO US AND WE'RE NOT THE FIT FOR THEM.
NEXT DOOR IS A GREAT VENUE FOR THAT.
UM, I WAS LOOKING AT OTHER VENUES AND, YOU KNOW, TUCKO PLANTATION'S UNIQUE IN A WAY THAT THEY HAVE MULTIPLE WEDDINGS ON THE SAME PROPERTY GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO WITH THE THREE YEAR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE VENUE, WE'RE HOPING TO PROVE TO OUR NEIGHBORS THAT WE DO CARE ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS, THAT WE WILL MAKE THIS WORK.
UM, WE WANT THEM TO BE CONFIDENT THAT, AND AGAIN, WITH OUR PROFESSIONAL PARTNERSHIPS, WE WILL ENSURE THE CONDITIONS ARE MET AND NOT BE A BURDEN TO THE COUNTY WORRYING ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
AND THE BIG THING IS JUST STAY COMMUNICATING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO WE HUMBLY ASK FOR THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES AS OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES IN GLAND THAT ARE SIMILAR TO US TO PURSUE OUR VISION AND DREAM.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS IN RELATION TO EVENTS? UM, HAVE YOU ALL, WHERE DO YOU STAND CURRENTLY WITH THOSE? HAVE YOU DISCUSSED WITH ANY OF THESE PROFESSIONALS? HAVE YOU TAKEN DEPOSITS FOR ANY OF THEM? UM, JUST CURIOUS THAT BECAUSE NO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SEEING A TRACK RECORD OF LARGER EVENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
HAVE I STARTED LINING UP BUSINESS ALREADY? YES.
I MEAN, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE ROADS DONE OR ANY, WE, 'CAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED, IT'S HUN.
AND, AND SO BEYOND THE, AND BEYOND QUINCEANERA, YOU HAVEN'T HAD MANY LARGER EVENTS PRIVATELY? WE, WE'VE HAD TWO PRIVATE EVENTS.
WE HAD OUR DAUGHTER'S KINANE AND THEN OUR BEST FRIEND'S SON GOT MARRIED ON OUR PROPERTY JUST BACK IN THE FALL.
ANY OTHER? YES, I WILL BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
UH, SO, SO CURRENTLY YOU'RE A WORKING FARM, CORRECT.
AND YOU WERE ABLE TO OPERATE UNDER RIGHT TO FARM, UH, THAT THERE ARE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY STATE STATUTE THAT THE COUNTY CAN'T SUPERSEDE.
AND THAT COULD INCLUDE WORKING AND OPERATING FARM EQUIPMENT, TRACTORS, PERHAPS DRIVING AN A TV TO GET TO CERTAIN PARTS OF YOUR PROPERTY.
UH, THERE'S A GROUNDHOG THAT NEEDS SHOOTING.
UH, SO THOSE ACTIVITIES, WHETHER THIS COP IS APPROVED OR NOT, ARE ARE STILL ABLE TO BE, UH, CONTINUED.
AND, AND, AND SO YOU HAVE NO PLANS TO STOP FARMING, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THIS WILL BE A WORKING FARM WITH AN EVENT CENTER OR PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY YEAH.
AS AN ADDITIONAL, UH, ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON THERE? CORRECT.
AND I I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DOING A VENUE, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE DOING ALL THE FARMING AND NOISE AND STUFF.
SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE DURING THE WEEK THAT WE GET MOST OF THAT DONE.
AND THAT COULD BE GOOD FOR THE STATE OF RIVER RUN.
I MEAN, IF, IF WE'RE HOSTING OUR OWN, THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO TIGHTEN UP SHIP AND HELP, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE PROFESSIONAL THERE TO KEEP THAT IN ORDER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE'LL OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT TIME, PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE? I'M WARD ANDREW GEBRA JR.
AS I SAID EARLIER, I LIVE AT 1511 RIVERVIEW ROAD.
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I HAD TAILORED REMARKS THAT I ANTICIPATED TAKING ABOUT FOUR MINUTES, AND I HAD COORDINATED WITH OTHER PEOPLE TO ALLOW ME ADDITIONAL TIME TO SEE ME ADDITIONAL TIME.UM, MS. ORO HAS INDICATED SEVERAL CHANGES IN HER PRESENTATION THAT ARE NOT REFLECTED IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE ONCE THE PERMIT IS APPROVED, THE PERMIT IS THE BINDING DOCUMENT.
UM, IF MS. OROS ADDITIONAL, UH, PROFFERS, IF YOU WILL, UM, ARE TO BE CONSIDERED, I THINK THEY NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PERMIT.
UM, SEVERAL OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD CONSIDERED AS MAJOR CONCERNS ARE SORT OF ADDRESSED.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE EVENT SPACE AND NOISE, THE PROVISIONS, UH, FOR, THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS IN EITHER, UH, MS OROS PROFFER OR IN THE CONDITIONAL YEAST PERMIT AS IT READS.
NOW THAT LIMIT THE MUSIC WATTAGE OUTPUT OR THE MUSIC VOLUME DURING THE SPECIAL EVENTS, UM, THOSE WILL BE NECESSARY TO CONTROL PROPAGATION OF THE MUSIC BEYOND THE MOUNT BERNARD PROPERTY.
THE ONLY PERMIT, THE ONLY PROFIT THAT IS MADE IN THE PERMIT TO CONTROL NOISE IS DIRECTING ITSELF OR TOWARD THE RIVER, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY DIRECTS IT DIRECTLY AT, UH, THE ESTATE AT RIVER RUN.
UH, MS. ORO HAS SUGGESTED DIRECTING IT TO THE DEEPER WOODS BETWEEN THE GOOD PROPERTY AND, UH, THE ESTATE AT RIVER RUN, UH, WHICH IS A GREAT IDEA, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE PERMIT.
UM, THESE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, UM, AS FAR AS THE NOISE GOES, YOU KNOW, UM, AS A GROUP, WE RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF THE MOUNT BERNARD FARM OWNERS, UH, TO USE THEIR LAND IN CON IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CURRENT ZONING.
UH, BUT ALSO WE HOLD FIRMLY TO OUR RIGHT, TO THE PEACEFUL ENJOYMENT OF OUR PROPERTIES FREE FROM UNWANTED MUSIC OVERFLOW.
TO PARAPHRASE THE CENTURY OLD LEGAL PRECEPT FOR THIS CONDITION, THEIR RIGHT TO ROCK THE WORLD ENDS AT MY PROPERTY LINE.
THE OTHER ISSUE THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN TO US IS THE, UH, NUMBER OF EVENTS PER WEEK.
I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME, BUT I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT CU 20 19 11, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER, WHICH WAS THE EVENT AT RIVER RUNS PERMIT, UM, LIMITED THE NUMBER OF EVENTS TO SIX A YEAR.
THIS ONE HAS TWICE THAT MANY AND THERE'S NO PROVEN TRACK RECORD AT THIS POINT.
RIVER RUN HAS PROVEN OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS THAT THEY CAN MANAGE NOISE IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE BECAUSE OF THE, UH, UNUSUAL NATURE OF THE VARIANCE BETWEEN, UH, HER PROFFERS AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS AND, UH, COUNTY STAFF? MY NAME IS WILLIAM GO.
I LIVE AT 2285 RIVER ROAD WEST.
I'M AN ADJOINING NAVAL OF THEOS, UH, FARM.
THE ARTOS ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND I WISH TO KEEP THEM THAT WAY.
HOWEVER, I'M AGAINST THE ARTOS TURNING THEIR PROPERTY MOUNT BERNARD INTO AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE.
MOUNT BERNARD HAS TWO HISTORICAL DESIGNATIONS.
THE FIRST ONE IS FROM THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
IT'S LISTED ON THE VIRGINIA LANDMARKS REGISTER.
THE SECOND ONE IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT MOUNT BERNARD HAS BEEN LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
MY CONCERNS WITH ADDING AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE AND PLUS TWO AIRBNB UNITS.
THIS AREA ON ROUTE SIX, WE'LL JEOPARDIZE THE RURAL NATURE OF THE AREA AND WE'LL INTRODUCE MORE TRAFFIC NOISE, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE'LL CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF ONE OF GLAND'S HISTORICAL PLACES.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO, UH, SPEAK TONIGHT AGAINST CUP 24 DASH 19.
UH, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, IF YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE SPEAKERS, YOU CAN COME AND SIT DOWN
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ON THE FRONT ROW AND TELL YOUR TURN COMES UP, IF THAT WOULD BE EASIER.SOMEBODY JOIN ME? CAN I GO AHEAD? YES.
UM, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN WINFREY, AND I APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU SUPERVISORS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DO, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD,
I LIVE AT 2 3 7 OH RIVER ROAD WEST.
I HAVE LIVED IN GUTEN FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS, AND I LOVE THIS COUNTY.
WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH GOOD NEIGHBORS OVER THE YEARS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OROS.
THERE ARE THREE MAIN CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, HOWEVER, ABOUT THIS CUP.
SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, I WAS PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP OF CONCERNS, CITIZENS THAT MET AT THE ADMIN BUILDING TO TALK ABOUT THIS CUP.
I HAD DONE SOME RESEARCH TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY VENUES THAT WERE NEXT TO EACH OTHER IN THE COUNTY, AND CURRENTLY THERE ARE NOT.
UM, HAVING A VENUE NEXT TO ANOTHER CREATES PROBLEMS, CONFLICTING NOISE, TOO MUCH NOISE, TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, AND TOO, TOO MUCH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN AN, IN AN AREA THAT IS MEANT TO BE RURAL AND PEACEFUL.
UH, NUMBER TWO, IF THERE'S A VENUE, THERE'S GOING TO BE LOUD MUSIC AND THERE WILL BE REVELRY AND WE WILL HEAR IT.
I'M RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MOUNT BERNARD.
WE HEAR OUTDOOR EVENTS FROM RIVER RUN, AND THEY ARE EVEN FURTHER OFF THE ROAD THAN MOUNT BERNARD.
THE OROS HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO HAVE PARTIES TO CELEBRATE AT THEIR FARM, BUT A VENUE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD IS ALL TOGETHER DIFFERENT AS FAR AS I I'M CONCERNED AND WILL GENERATE AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF NOISE.
NUMBER THREE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PLAN, AND IT WAS CONFIRMED TONIGHT WHEN I SAW IT FOR THE ENTRANCE TO THIS VENUE, IS TO ENTER DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM OUR EXISTING AND ONLY ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
THAT SPOT IS ALREADY A TROUBLESOME SPOT FOR TRAFFIC.
SINCE CARS AND TRUCKS COME OVER THE CREST OF THE HILL THERE, I HAVE FOUR GRANDCHILDREN THAT IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE WILL BE DRIVING.
AND THAT INCREASES MY CONCERN.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
IT'S A GOOD WAY TO GET AN INCOME, AND I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN COME TO SOME RESOLUTION THAT WILL MAKE US ALL HAPPY.
MY NAME IS THOMAS FORD, 11 15 21 HILLTOP CIRCLE, MAIDENS, VIRGINIA.
THAT'S IN RIVER CLIFF SUBDIVISION.
MS. SHE HERE SAID THAT AT THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WAS, UH, 11 SPEAKERS THAT SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THIS.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU I WAS HERE AND I WAS LISTENING, AND NOT ONE OF THE 11 LIVE ANYWHERE CLOSE, NOT EVEN WITHIN FIVE MILES OF THIS PLACE.
SO THEY HAVE NO DOG IN THIS RACE.
WE AT RIVER CLIFF, DO WE, WE WILL HEAR THIS.
THE WORST THING THAT WE SEE IS THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.
IF YOU WANNA PERMIT THIS AS A AIRBNB, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T OBJECT TOO MUCH, BUT PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
NOW YOU'RE INTO ALL OF THIS NOISE AND EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S WHAT WE OBJECT TO.
WE ALSO OBJECT TO THE NATURE OF ROUTE SIX.
IT'S A, IT'S A VIRGINIA BYWAY.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HIGHWAY PROTECTED BY THE STATE.
AND WITH THESE CONDITIONS, YOU HAVE THE PARKING, THE NO PARKING SIGNS, YOU'RE GONNA DEFACE THE HIGHWAY AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? YOU HAVE THE CHANCE RIGHT NOW TO STOP IT.
ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTION, ANSWER.
IT'S JUST COMMENTS TO THE BOARD, SIR.
AT THIS TIME, IT'S JUST COMMENTS TO THE BOARD.
MARGARET LEVITT, 70 36 BEN HALL CIRCLE.
UM, A FEW YEARS BACK, ADJACENT TO WHERE MY COMMUNITY IS, THE ELKS WANTED TO, UM, ERECT A, A WEDDING VENUE.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF VERBIAGE IN THE, UM, APPLICATION ABOUT LIMITING THE NUMBER OF EVENTS.
AND WHEN THERE WAS PUSHBACK FROM OUR COMMUNITY, UH, JAMIE SHERRY
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CONCEDED THAT THERE WAS NO WAY TO ENFORCE THAT, WHO WAS COUNTING NOBODY.SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'LL GET THIS APPROVED AND THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
ANY ANYONE WISH TO COME FORWARD? I DO BELIEVE THAT THE OROS HAVE MADE YOUR NAME.
I LIVE AT 28 20 GAMON TOWN ROAD, BUMPUS, VIRGINIA 2 3 0 2 4.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THE OROS HAVE MADE EVERY EFFORT TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS STATED ABOVE.
THEIR DESIRES WITH THIS CUP ARE TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE FARMING BY SUPPLEMENTING THEIR INCOME.
THE ENTIRE POINT OF THESE ACTIVITIES WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THE WEDDING VENUE IS TO KEEP MOUNT BERNARD RURAL WITHOUT HAVING TO SELL IT TO SOMETHING ELSE, WHICH I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HERE CAN GET BEHIND.
ANYONE ELSE? I HI, GOOD EVENING.
I'M KIM MOODY WITH THE ESTATE AT RIVER RUN.
I RESIDE AT 2 4 2 1 RIVER ROAD WEST IN MAIDENS DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO THE APPLICANT.
IT'S BOTH MY PLACE OF RESIDENCE AS WELL AS MY BUSINESS AND PROBABLY THE LARGEST INVESTMENT THAT ANY 37-YEAR-OLD COUPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE MADE FIVE YEARS AGO.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CARPENTER, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE.
UM, I'M SPEAKING ON THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF OUR BUSINESS, DOZENS OF PEOPLE THAT WE EMPLOY, DOZENS OF TRADE MEN THAT WE WORK WITH, AND THE 70 PLUS FAMILIES THAT WE SERVE YEARLY THAT THE BOARD DECLINED THE CUP AS APPLIED FOR, AND THEIR ABILITY TO HOST ANY EVENTS WITH AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
SEVEN YEARS AGO, RIVER RUN WAS JUST A GLIMMER OF HOPE IN OUR HEARTS.
AND NOW FIVE AND A HALF YEARS LATER, WE HAVE GOTTEN YOUR APPROVALS THROUGH A LOT OF HARD WORK AND A LOT OF HARD WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND WE'VE CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY, WE'VE LAUNCHED THE BUSINESS AS WELL AS, UM, GETTING THROUGH COVID, WHICH IS A WHOLE NOTHER SITUATION.
AND NOW WE'VE BECOME A MAJOR TOURISM DRIVER IN GLAND COUNTY.
WE'VE MET ALL OF THE STANDARDS THE BOARD PLACED ON US.
WE'VE WORKED EXCEPTIONALLY HARD WITH AN UNEXPECTED MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY BUILDING OFFICIALS.
WE'VE WORKED WITHIN EXCEEDING LIFE SAFETY STANDARDS IN THE EXPECTATIONS OF THOSE AND TAKEN THE BIGGEST RISK OF OUR LIVES.
WE TRY TO BE A GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNER.
OUR NEXT EVENT'S ACTUALLY HOSTING THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OUR NEXT WEDDING, IT'S A HIGH PROFILE NFL WEDDING WITH A COUPLE FROM CALIFORNIA.
IT'S GONNA BE PUBLISHED IN PEOPLE MAGAZINE.
I SAY ALL OF THAT TO MAKE NOTE OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE A MAJOR TOURISM DRIVER IN GLAND COUNTY.
ABOUT 65% OF OUR COUPLES AND FAMILIES GETTING MARRIED AT RIVER RUN DO NOT RESIDE IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
THEY'RE COMING ON AIRPLANES JUST TO TOUR THE PROPERTY, JUST SO THEY ARE FOR DOVER HALL.
YOU ALL HAVE TWO OF THE LARGEST LUXURY VENUES IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA IN YOUR COUNTY, ABOUT SIX MILES FROM EACH OTHER, COEXISTING VERY HAPPILY.
UM, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE FILLING THE RESIDENCE IN HERE IN OUR COUNTY WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND.
BUT OUR CLIENTS EXPECT PERFECTION.
EVERYTHING MUST BE PERFECT FOR THEIR DAUGHTER'S WEDDING.
THE SITUATION OF AMPLIFIED MUSIC NEXT DOOR OUTDOORS ON THE BIGGEST DAY OF THEIR CHILD'S LIFE, IS NOT GONNA GO OVER WELL FOR YOU OR FOR ME.
IT'S VERY UPSETTING THAT TO THE CLIENTS THAT IT'S HAPPENED TO ALREADY.
AND I'M FEARFUL FOR ALL OF US AS THE VENUE AND ALSO FOR YOU AS THE COUNTY OF WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE GONNA BE LIKE IF THIS GETS APPROVED.
ONE LOUD EVENT IS ONE EVENT TOO MUCH FOR US TO CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AND WE HOPE THAT THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO HOLD HIGH STANDARDS FOR HOSPITALITY VENUES ACROSS GOOCHLAND.
I LIVE AT 1 2 0 8, THE FOREST CROSIER VIRGINIA, UH, TO A PREVIOUS, UH, SPEAKER.
I DO LIVE WITHIN FIVE MILES OF, UM, UH, MOUNT BERNARD.
UH, MR. CARPENTER, I NEVER GOT TO KNOW YOU.
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GOOSE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO AND LOVE IT.SO
UM, COUPLE OF POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE IS I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A NOISE, UM, UH, UH, CONCERN, UH, LOOKING AT WHAT MOUNT BERNARD, UH, HAS SAID, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE BENDING OVER BACKWARDS.
THEY'RE NOT HAVING EVENTS ALL YEAR LONG.
THEY'RE HAVING A LIMITED NUMBER OF EVENTS WITH A LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
UM, SO I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP THAT MAY BE POINTING NOT DIRECTLY TO THE RIVER, BUT POINTING TO THE SOUTHEAST WOULD PROBABLY BE, UH, MAYBE A BETTER OPTION.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UM, I, UH, MS. MOODY AND I ARE FROM FARMING COMMUNITY, UH, SOUTH OF HERE, UH, IN THE NOT AWAY COUNTY AREA.
UM, I WAS RAISED NOT ON A FARM, BUT I WORKED FOR FARMERS TILL I WENT AWAY TO COLLEGE.
AND I KNOW HOW TOUGH FARMING COULD BE THAT THE, UH, MOUNT BERNARD OWNERS WANT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR INCOME TO KEEP THEIR FARM ALIVE AND KEEP THEIR A HUNDRED PLUS ACRES IN A FARMING COMMUNITY.
AS A FARMING COMMUNITY, I THINK IS ADMIRABLE.
UM, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THEY COULD, UH, TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO MEET, UH, THE STANDARDS THAT Y'ALL WANT.
AND, AND, AND LISTEN TO MS. MOODY ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE DONE, IT'S ADMIRABLE, UM, HOW MUCH MONEY THEY SPENT.
THEY, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A WEDDING THERE, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL AND WELL DONE.
AND THEY HAD A LEARNING CURVE OF WHAT THEY HAD TO DO.
I FEEL THAT WE OUGHT TO GIVE MOUNT BERNARD THE SAME COURTESY TO SEE IF THEY CAN DO PERFORM AS WELL AS RIVER RUN OR DOVER HALL.
UM, THE FINAL THING I WANNA SAY IS COMPETITION IS, IS WHAT THIS, THE, THE US IS ABOUT.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT SERVING TWO DIFFERENT, UH, TWO DIFFERENT AUDIENCES.
ONE, UH, UH, RIVER RUN IS A HIGH END, UM, THAT PROBABLY MOST PEOPLE IN GOOSE CAN'T AFFORD.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN LESS CLASSY OR LESS GREAT, BUT IT MEANS IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN AFFORD, UH, YOU KNOW, LOCALS CAN AFFORD.
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO DO THES? WANT TO REBUT OR REPLY TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS? OH, LET, LET ME CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
FIRST STATE, YOU CAN STAY THERE.
UH, WE NO MORE, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, SO I'LL JUST CLOSE THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING.
JUST WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY AGAIN AND OUR NEIGHBORS FOR COMING OUT.
WE ARE LISTENING TO YOUR CONCERNS AND, UM, WE HOPE THIS WILL WORK OUT.
WE HOPE THAT, UM, YOU'LL GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY.
BOARD ANY CUT? COMMENTS? QUESTIONS, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WHAT THE CUP IN FRONT OF US IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT HAS BEEN PROFFERED EITHER FROM THE D OR IN EARLIER CONVERSATIONS.
AND I, UH, HOWEVER THIS GOES, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE THE SAME.
AND, AND, AND SO CAN STAFF AMPLIFY AND, AND TELL US WHERE THERE IS A DISCONNECT OR, OR EXCUSE ME.
UH, IN GOING THROUGH AFTER I HEARD THAT COMMENT I WENT THROUGH AND I THINK THE ONLY, UH, DIFFERENCE IS THAT SHE MENTIONED THAT THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF, UH, FOR AMPLIFIED SOUND TO BE FACED THAT WAY.
THERE WAS ALSO SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT DETERS THAT MS. ORO TALKED ABOUT, BUT I DON'T THINK SHE WAS SAYING THAT THOSE WERE PART OF THE C BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT.
BUT I, I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I, I COULD FIND THAT WOULD BE ON CONDITION 20 3D I'M SORRY, YOU SAID 20.
UH, CONDITION NUMBER 23 LETTER D.
IT READS ALL AMPLIFIED, ALL OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED DI DEVICE AMPLIFICATION DEVICES, EXCUSE ME, SHALL BE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE RIVER INSTEAD OF THE SOUTHEAST AND SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AWAY FROM ALL ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
SO THAT COULD BE CHANGED IF THE, UM, BOARD
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WOULD LIKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YES.UM, THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO PRESENTED.
UM, I THINK THAT I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL CONCEPT OF THIS.
UM, I DO FEEL HOWEVER THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY UNKNOWNS RELATED TO A BUSINESS.
UM, I HEAR THE ARGUMENTS ABOUT GIVING IT A CHANCE, BUT THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT IT CANNOT BE VIEWED AS A SMALL BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CONSIDERABLE THRESHOLD OF CARE TO APPLY.
AND BY THAT I SAY DEALING WITH WEDDING PARTIES IS PROBABLY AS CHALLENGING AS DEALING WITH NUCLEAR WASTE, UH, IN MANY WAYS,
AND SO FOR US TO SAY, LET'S GIVE 'EM A CHANCE, LET'S DO THAT, UM, I THINK IS A LITTLE SHORTSIGHTED.
I I I AM A SUPPORTER OF SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT THE, THE, THE BARRIER OF ENTRY TO THIS SPACE DOES NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO ON A SATURDAY.
NEIGHBORING A LARGE EVENT, THEY CAN'T COEXIST TOGETHER.
WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE PROXIMITY OF THESE TWO VENUES.
AND WHAT I CAN TELL YOU WITH THE OVERHAUL AND WITH RIVER RUN MANOR, THEY PUT IN CONSIDERABLY MORE INVESTMENT ON THE FRONT END FOR THIS TO ELIMINATE ANY AND ALL, OR AT LEAST WORK TO ELIMINATE ANY AND ALL UNCERTAINTIES.
I AM GREATLY WORRIED WITH THE CONCEPT OF A PROFESSIONAL, BUT SOMEBODY BROUGHT IN JUST FOR A SPECIFIC WEDDING WHO ONLY HAS THAT CLIENT'S INTEREST AT AS THEIR CONCERN.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COUNTY'S INTERESTS AND THE NEIGHBORING VENUE'S INTERESTS.
YES, THEY MIGHT BE A PROFESSIONAL, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE ONLY GONNA SERVE THAT ONE CLIENT, UM, AS BEST AS THEY CAN.
AND WE DO HAVE TO CONSIDER PROXIMITY OF VENUES WHEN WE DEAL WITH THIS.
AND I DO THINK WE HAVE TO SIDE SIDE WITH THE EXISTING, UH, BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN THERE, THAT'S SHOWN A LONG TRACK RECORD OF OPERATING WITHIN THE VERY STRICT GUIDELINES WE'VE APPLIED TO THEM.
AND FOR US TO POTENTIALLY GO IN AND SAY, OH, YEAH, HAVE GIVE IT A GO NEXT DOOR.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING I I DON'T DISMISS THE WORK Y'ALL HAVE DONE TO DATE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WE DO HAVE MULTIPLE EXAMPLES OF, UM, VERY, VERY CONSIDERABLY LARGER INVESTMENTS INTO THIS TYPE OF WEDDING VENUE OR EVENT VENUE.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, I CAN'T, WE CAN'T MINIMIZE SOUND, UH, AMPLIFICATION.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU WHERE I LIVE, DOVER HALL IS PROBABLY 1500 FEET DEEP RUN IS PROBABLY 3,500 FEET.
I CAN HEAR THOSE SPEAKERS CRYSTAL CLEAR AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DEAL WITH IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE REALLY PUT IN MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF INVESTMENT AND CARED FOR THINGS LIKE SOUND AMPLIFICATION TO THE UTMOST DETAIL.
THERE ARE NO UNCERTAINTIES THERE, THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY UNCERTAINTIES RELATED TO THIS.
AND, UM, ONE WEDDING THAT IS, UH, ONE EVENT THAT IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT DETERIORATES AT AN EXISTING VENUE THAT'S DOING THESE GRAND EVENTS, UH, IS TOO MUCH OF A COST, IN MY OPINION, TO HAVE A SMALL VENUE HAVE A GO AT IT.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTIVE OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE WOULD ALWAYS BE FILLED.
SO I MEAN IMMEDIATE BUSINESS BY THEIR NEIGHBOR.
UM, AND I HOPE THAT IS AN OFFER 'CAUSE THAT IS NEIGHBORS WORKING TOGETHER.
UM, BUT AS IT RELATES TO A VENUE, I JUST, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT HAS THIS MANY UNKNOWNS.
MR. S ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? UH, MR. S SPAU USUALLY CHASTISED ME IF I SPEAK BEFORE HE DOES.
SO I'M WAITING FOR HIM TO PUSH HIS BUTTON.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. CHAIRMAN? RIGHT.
WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO DISCUSSION AFTER THE MOTION.
THIS, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A CHALLENGE FOR ME BECAUSE, UM, I, I DO BELIEVE IN COMPETITION AND, AND WHAT MR. BODERS HAS OBSERVED IS TRUE.
IF I HAD JUSTIN LANDER'S ARM, I COULD PROBABLY THROW
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A BASEBALL FROM MY PLACE TO HIS.UH, I DO GET THE BENEFIT OF HERMITAGE COUNTRY CLUB'S, UH, EVENTS WHICH ARE OUTDOORS BUT ONLY ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR.
SO SOUND DOES TRAVEL AND, AND IT DID, HIS COMMENTS MADE ME REALIZE THAT DEEP RUN HUD CLUB IS NEXT DOOR TO, UM, DOHA.
SO WE DO HAVE VENUES THAT ARE NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, I'VE ASKED THE ORTON IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE NO AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR MUSIC.
AND I, WHEN I SAT IN THE CITIZEN SEATS, I HATED, AND I'M USING THAT WORD KNOWINGLY, THE NEGOTIATION THAT OCCURRED ON THE DAIS WHEN APPLICANTS CAME IN AND STARTED CHANGING THEIR PROFFERS.
BUT IT WOULD MAKE IT A WHOLE LOT EASIER FOR ME TO VOTE YES IF THERE WAS NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC WITH THE, UH, MOUNT BERNARD.
THEY GET TO CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO PROFFER AND WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE.
UH, I SPENT SOME QUALITY TIME, UH, I DON'T KNOW, KIM, HOW MUCH TIME WAS IT? MAYBE TWO HOURS, TWO AND A HALF HOURS MEETING WITH, UH, DUSTIN SMITH, WILLIE GOOD BUDDY FORD AND KIM AT DOVER HALL.
I'M SORRY, THAT'S MY ACROSS THE ROAD NEIGHBOR AT, UH, RIVER RUN MANOR BACK ON DECEMBER 17TH.
AND THEY GAVE ME EIGHT THINGS THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND OF THOSE EIGHT, THE ONLY ONE THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED IS THE OUTDOOR MUSIC FIREARM USE RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE RIVER.
UH, THE, THE CUP DOES NOT TRANSFER IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD.
I THINK THAT'S ALL BEING ADDRESSED.
NO TRESPASSING ALONG THE PARCEL BORDERS.
50 PLUS PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE UNIFORM SECURITY PARKING SPACES NEED TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE EVENTS.
AND NO RIFLE FIRE, WITHOUT A BACKSTOP.
ALL OF THOSE I'M HEARING HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
AND SO I, I KNOW MS. MOODY HAS MENTIONED THAT THEY'VE HAD QUARTETS OUTDOOR AND THEY'VE HAD VERY FEW OUTDOOR EVENTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE PERMITTED SEVERAL AND THEY DON'T AMPLIFY THEIR OUTDOOR MUSIC.
IF RIVER RUN SAID THEY WOULDN'T HAVE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND MOUNT BERNARD WOULDN'T HAVE AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR MUSIC, I'D CALL THAT KIND OF CUTTING THE LOAF OF BREAD IN HALF.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S UP TO THE ORTHOS AS TO WHAT THEY WANT TO PROFFER AND NOT PROPER.
SO THE COMPETITION, THE FACT THAT ALL OF THE NOISE THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED CAN STILL HAPPEN FROM A FARM.
TRACTORS MAKE NOISES, SAWMILLS, MAKE NOISES.
UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE AT THEIR POOL CAN PLAY THEIR RADIO IF IT'S NOT A PARTY.
HAVE I EXCEEDED MY THREE MINUTES? NO SIR.
THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS THE COUNTY IMPOSING THOSE CONDITIONS.
SO THEY, THEY PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO AGREE TO IT, BUT YEAH, THAT IS THE COUNTY AND I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION,
SORRY, IT DOESN'T IT DOES NOT GO, I'M SORRY, WHAT? MY WIRE UP THERE.
BUT IT DOESN'T EXPIRE AT AT SALE.
NO, THIS IS A TRANSFER THAT WOULD, IT RUNS WITH THE PROPERTY, NOT THE OWNER.
SO IT WOULD RUN, UH, IF IT WERE SOLD OR LEASED TO SOMEONE ELSE'S CONDITIONS COULD STILL APPLY.
I I I'M SAYING OF ALL THE OBJECTIONS.
THE ONE THAT HAS NOT TO MY LIST HERE IS THE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
I'M VERY HESITANT TO SEE GOVERNMENTS STEP IN AND SOLVE PROBLEMS. I LIKE TO THINK THAT NEIGHBORS CAN WORK THINGS OUT.
UH, IT GIVES ME EVERY APPEARANCE THAT NORTON'S AND THE MOODY'S DO TALK, THEY DO CONVERSE.
THEY DO HAVE A WILLINGNESS TO WORK THINGS OUT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT CAN BE PUT INTO SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT THAT THEY CAN BOTH LIVE WITH.
I I, I'M, I'M JUST HESITANT THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T, UH, WITHOUT GIVING THE NEIGHBORS A CHANCE TO REALLY WORK IT OUT THEMSELVES.
AND MAYBE I'M MISPLACED IN MY BELIEF THAT PEOPLE WILL WORK IT OUT TO THE WIN-WIN BENEFIT OF EACH OTHER.
BUT, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT THIS, I I STILL REMEMBER, UM, I, I GUESS MR. FORD, YOU SAID THAT EVERYBODY IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS AGAINST RIVER RUN, BUT NOW THAT THEY'RE THERE YOU REALIZE IT'S NOT SO BAD.
IT'S NOT AS BAD AS YOU THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE.
UM, AND, AND THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT ONCE THIS IS, UH, IF, IF THIS WERE APPROVED, THAT THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY LIKE.
AND, AND I, I HAVE A LITTLE MORE FAITH IN OUR COUNTY STAFF ACTUALLY BEING AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND IF THERE ARE EXCESS EXCESSIVE EVENTS BEING HELD THERE, THERE WOULD BE A NOTICE.
DO NOTICE GIVEN THAT YOU CAN'T, YOU, YOU SAID 12 AND YOU GET 12.
SO I, I'M, UH, I'M CHEWING ON THIS STILL AND THIS IS VERY UNUSUAL FOR ME.
'CAUSE TYPICALLY I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I, NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER.
I FREQUENTLY KNOW
BUT, UM, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF GORDIAN KNOT CUT ON THIS.
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WOULD PROBABLY BE INAPPROPRIATE TO ASK FOR A RECESS TO SEE IF THE TWO PARTIES WOULD LIKE TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING IN THE HALLWAY, BUT IF THEY DID ASK FOR THAT, I'D BE OKAY TOO.THERE'S MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I, THE, THE VENT VENUE IS, IS CONCERNING TO ME.
UM, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IT THOUGH.
I COULD YOU, YEAH, COULD YOU MIC, SORRY, MICROPHONE'S ON.
UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE EVENT VENUE PART OF THIS CUP, UH, BUT I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IT.
WE HAVE A, A SMALL FARM AS WELL.
WE KNOW HOW HARD IT IS AND WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, DIVERSIFYING YOUR OPTIONS IS SOMETIMES THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP, KEEP THE LAND.
UM, BUT I, I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT LIKE, SOME AMPLIFIED SOUND STIPULATIONS.
LIKE THE GENTLEMAN OVER THERE BROUGHT UP THE WATTAGE OR THE AMPERAGE OR THE DECIBELS, SOMETHING CONCRETE.
THAT WAY IT DOES PROTECT RIVER RUN AND IT DOES PROTECT THEIR EVENT VENUES.
UM, BUT THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL, ABSOLUTELY.
AND, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT, AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE, EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN BRING BEFORE THE BOARD.
SHANNON, AM I ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING? YES.
AM I ALLOWED TO SAY SOMETHING? IT'S UP TO YOU.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK I WAS CLEARED ABOUT HAVING A PROFESSIONAL IN CHARGE.
MR. VADERS BROUGHT UP THAT, THAT POINT, AND I HAVE MY EVENT PLANNER HERE, COLLEEN COOK.
IF, IF IT'S OKAY IF SHE COULD COME UP AND EXPLAIN HOW THE WEDDING PART WORKS OR IS IT? NO, PROBABLY NOT.
WELL, JUST SO YOU KNOW, MR. VAS, AND WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT WE WANT IT SOLELY FOR OUR PROPERTY, WHO IS HERE, WHO'S BEEN TO ALL THE HEARINGS, WHO UNDERSTANDS THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS, WHO UNDERSTANDS THE CONDITIONS, HAS READ THROUGH THEM, EVERYTHING.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE TAKING VERY SERIOUSLY WITH, WITH A HI, WITH A HIRED PROFESSIONAL, NOT JUST A STRANGE PERSON COMING TO GLAND.
ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, YES, I HAVE A, IT IS A QUESTION OF PROCEDURE AND I'M LOOKING AT, UH, AS MS. SHERRY SAID, THESE ARE CONDITIONS THAT THE COUNTY IMPOSES AND 23 SAYS AMPLIFIED SOUND IS LIMITED.
IS IT WITHIN OUR PERVE TO SAY AMPLIFIED SOUND IS PROHIBITED? AND I GUESS I'LL ASK OUR ATTORNEY.
AS NOTED BY MS. SHERRY, THE BOARD MAY AMEND CONDITIONS AS IT CEASE, AMEND, ELIMINATE, ADD CONDITIONS AS IT CEASE FIT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO AMEND SOMETHING THAT'S IN FRONT OF US.
SO WELL WE CAN CALL FOR THE QUESTION AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSION AND THEN MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND.
IS THAT CORRECT? IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO THAT, IF YOU WISH TO AMEND THE CONDITIONS, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU TALK ABOUT AMENDING THE CONDITIONS IN CONJUNCTION WITH MAKING A MOTION.
I'M PRESUMING THEN IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CUP FOR BOTH USES AND AMEND THE CONDITION AND STATE WHICH CONDITION OR CONDITIONS YOU WANT TO AMEND AND HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THEM AMENDED SO THAT THERE IS A CLEAR, UH, DELINEATION FOR THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT THE CONDITION WILL SAY.
WELL I DO, I DO WANT TO PUT THIS OUT THERE BECAUSE IT DOES, CAN YOU SPEAK, I DO WANNA PUT THIS OUT THERE 'CAUSE IT DOES IMPACT HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL.
UM, I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PIECE ONLY.
I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE, UM, SACRIFICED FOR THE VENUE PIECE WITH THE VENUE PIECE NECESSARILY, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW PROTECT PRO PROPER, UH, PROTOCOL IN MAKING SURE WE DON'T VOTE NO ON BOTH AT THE SAME TIME ACCIDENTALLY.
SO I DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THAT APPROPRIATELY.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT GENERALLY YOU VOTE ON CU PS AS MS. SHERRY, IF YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THIS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS GENERALLY YOU
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VOTE ON CS AS AS AN EN AN ENTIRE THING.AND IT'S GOT ONE CUP NUMBER THAT GOES WITH BOTH USES.
SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, MY CONCERN FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT WOULD BE IT'S BEEN PRESENTED AS ONE PROJECT WITH ONE PROJECT NUMBER.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING WHERE I THINK YOU'RE GOING, OR IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ONE, BUT DENY THE OTHER, THAT IS, UH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD LEGALLY WORD THE MOTION ITSELF, THAT YOU WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE ONE OF THE TWO USES AND RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE OTHER USE.
UH, BASED ON, UM, IT NOT BEING IN KEEPING WITH PUBLIC NECESSITY OR GENERAL WELFARE PUBLIC SAFETY, THE, THE GENERAL REASONS WE RECOMMEND DENIALS OF, OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. BADERS? YES.
THE MAIN THING, I, I DON'T WANT THE APPLICANT TO GO THROUGH ADDITIONAL WORK IF ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE APPLICATION IS GENERALLY ACCEPTABLE TO THE, YOU KNOW, MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON THE DAYS.
UM, AND THAT, AND, AND IF THEY COULD GET THAT BUSINESS RELATED TO SHORT TERM RENTALS UP AND RUNNING MUCH SOONER 'CAUSE OF THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, KEEP IN MIND.
I DON'T WANT THAT BUSINESS TO BE DELAYED, UM, IF IT'S TIED TO STRICTLY TO A VENUE, AN EVENT VENUE.
SO WHAT I, WHAT I I CAN SEE THAT GOING BACK.
UNDERSTOOD, BUT YOU'RE STILL, WE'RE NOT PROHIBITING MS TO BE MADE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO MS. SPALDING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY THAT, UM, ONE MOTION, BUT IT COULD BE I MOVE TO APPROVE ONE MOTION AND THEN EITHER MOVE TO APPROVE OR DENY THE OTHER MOTION, CORRECT? THE THE OTHER CONDITIONAL USE.
YEAH, YOU, MR, I MEAN OTHER USE, EXCUSE ME.
YEAH, SO APPROVE THE OTHER CONDITIONAL USE AND THEN HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A AND DENY B BASED ON, AND AGAIN, FOR A DENIAL, I BELIEVE YOU USUALLY LIST NOT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELFARE, NOT GOOD ZONING PRACTICE, THAT KIND OF THING.
WOULDN'T IT BE THE SAME AS, UH, AMENDING, UM, A MOVE WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENT TO STRIKE OUT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ONE THROUGH 40, WHATEVER IT PERTAINS TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU COULD ACTUALLY DO IT ACCOMPLISH AND THEN WITH THE RESIDUAL WOULD BE WHAT'S APPROVED.
IF THE POINT I WANNA MAKE IS IF, IF WE VOTE THIS DOWN, THEY CANNOT COME BACK FOR A YEAR, UH, UNDER OUR PROCEDURE.
IS THAT CORRECT, MS? I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT.
AS LONG AS, UM, IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME IF THEY MAKE AMENDMENTS TO IT AND IT'S, AND IT'S DIFFERENT, THEY COULD COME BACK TO IT.
LET ME, I WAS GONNA WAIT TO FOR THE DISCUSSION PERIOD AFTER A MOTION, BUT I'M WANT TO SPEAK NOW AND, UH, I, I RECALL THE FIRST AWARENESS I HAD OF THIS PROJECT WAS WHEN WE HAD OUR SPECIAL MEETING THAT THE CITIZENS, UM, ASKED TO MEET WITH ME IN ROOM TWO 70 ACROSS THE HALL.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WERE NOT INVITED OR THE, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY WERE NOT THERE.
AND AT THAT MEETING, I REMEMBER SPEAKING TO THE CITIZENS THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS IS WHAT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS IS FOR, TO LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND TO PUT IN CONDITIONS THAT ADDRESSED THOSE CONCERNS.
WE ARE LOOKING AT 40 CONDITIONS HERE.
UH, THAT'S MORE THAN A LOT OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS THAT COME THROUGH.
SO I WANNA MAKE THE POINT IS THAT WE DID LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, WE DID LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS VERY SINCERELY, AND THE RESULT IS HERE IN THESE 40 CONDITIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT EL WHAT IS NOT WHAT, WHAT'S NOT IN THESE CONDITIONS THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE, AND I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER, SO I I FELT WE HAD IT PRETTY WELL COVERED.
UM, SO HERE WE ARE AT THIS JUNCTURE, YOU KNOW, WE, IF IF WE DON'T HAVE FAITH IN THE PROCESS OR WHAT IS IT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE, AND I'VE ALSO TALKED WITH MS. ARTURO AND I'VE STRESSED TO HER THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU REALLY, YOU YOU'VE GOT TO COMMIT TO COMPLY WITH THESE CONDITIONS AND UH, AND I'VE GOT AN ASSURANCE FROM THEM THAT THEY ARE,
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THEY, THEY SINCERELY WILL.AND THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO ENFORCE SOMETHING, I MEAN, THIS THING HAS A THREE YEAR EXPIRATION ON IT, AND IF THEY DON'T PLAY BY THE RULES, THEY'RE GONNA JEOPARDIZE THE RENEWAL IN THREE YEARS OF THEIR ABILITY TO CONTINUE THIS.
SO, SO WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, ENFORCEMENT ABILITY THERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE DO LISTEN TO CITIZENS COMPLAINTS, DON'T WE? WE, WE DID TRY TO ADDRESS, UM, THINGS THAT WE HEARD.
WAS IT ENOUGH? RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU GET TO MAKE THE TOUGH CALL
I I SINCERELY LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS AT THAT MEETING AND SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS AND, AND WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS 'EM AND THERE ARE 40 CONDITIONS HERE, UH, WHICH IS WHY I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THIS.
AFTER YOU SPOKE, I, I THINK TO ADDRESS MR. VADER'S CONCERNS, I THINK YOUR WAY IS ACTUALLY CLEANER.
I BELIEVE YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CUP IF, AND BASICALLY STATE THAT FOR THE USE YOU MIGHT WANT TO APPROVE OR DENY, HOWEVER YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THE MOTION AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THE CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE OTHER USE WERE ALSO TAKEN OUT IF YOU WERE NOT GOING TO APPROVE THE OTHER USE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM
IT APPEARS WE CAN GET THERE BY STRIKING CONDITIONS 11 THROUGH 30.
RIGHT? BUT YOU, AND BUT DON'T JUST STRIKE THE CONDITIONS BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT, YOU POTENTIALLY ALLOW THE USE DONE WITH NO CONDITIONS, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS WHERE YOU WANT BE.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE GENERAL CONDITIONS AND ALL OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL CONDITIONS, LEAVING THOSE IN PLACE.
I, UH, IT'S MY DISTRICT AND I, OH, EXCUSE ME AHEAD.
UM, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD GRANT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU 20 24 0 0 0 1 9 SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CONTINUE DISCUSS IF THEY'D LIKE.
I I, I, I WASN'T SURE WHERE THIS IS GOING.
THIS IS, THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE.
OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THESE ARE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS MANY PEOPLE IN THE ROOM IF THEY WEREN'T.
AND, AND TO OUR CHAIR'S POINT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS MANY CONDITIONS.
SO I THINK THE FACT THAT THIS MANY CONDITIONS IS INDICATIVE OF WHAT STAFF BELIEVES IS NOT A SLAM DUNK AS A USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
I, I HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TONIGHT.
UM, I HEARD GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT, SHOULD NOT, AND I AGREE WITH MY, MY COUNTERPART GO GOVERNMENT IS, SHOULD NOT BE IN THE BUSINESS OF SOLVING PROBLEMS. WE SHOULDN'T BE IN THE PROBLEM IN THE BUSINESS OF CREATING THEM EITHER.
UM, I WATCHED VERY CLOSELY THE RIVER RUN, UH, STATES, UH, UH, VERY INTERESTING.
I WAS, I WAS A CANDIDATE AT THE TIME AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DECIDE AFTER WATCHING THAT MEETING, DO I REALLY WANT TO BE UP HERE AND DO THIS? AND LO AND BEHOLD, RIGHT NEXT DOOR, HERE WE ARE.
UM, OUR JOB ISN'T TO F TO TO PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS.
OUR JOB IS TO DETERMINE WHEN LAND IS SET TO BE USED ONE WAY, WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO COME IN AND USE IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT IT IS, IT IS UTILIZED TO THE BEST USE FOR THAT AREA.
UM, FOR A, A VARIETY OF REASONS.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THAT.
WE, IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK IN THE ERIC AX, HIS, HIS VERY SIMPLISTIC FORM OF THEIR USE OF GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT THE WEAK FROM THE STRONG.
AND IT'S, IT IS ABOUT PROTECTION.
SO WHEN REVEREND RUN WAS GOING IN, I COULD SEE IF I WAS UP HERE, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT HOME HAS ALWAYS NOT REALLY BEEN A RESIDENCE.
I MEAN, THAT WAS WHERE BIG RICHMOND SOCIALITES CAME OUT.
AND THEY HAD GREAT PARTIES AND THE BOARD, UH, MADE THE DECISION WITH A LOT OF CONDITIONS TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, Y'ALL MOVED IN HERE KNOWING WHAT THIS WAS.
IT'S, AND IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
UM, NOW, NOW WE'RE ASKING THESE SAME RESIDENTS TO DOUBLE THAT, TO HAVE TWO VENUES.
AND YOU CAN ARGUE, YOU KNOW, ONE IS MORE DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER.
UH, THE ONE THING THAT JUST STICKS OUT TO ME IS AT RIVER RUN THERE SPENT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS TURNING THAT FROM A PRIVATE RESIDENCE INTO A COMMERCIAL RESIDENCE BECAUSE GOVERNMENT CAME IN TO PROTECT AND APPARENTLY SOLVED SOME PROBLEMS THAT COST AN EXTRA MILLION DOLLARS.
THIS IS A COMPLETELY OUTDOOR VENUE.
SO THIS IS, SO WHERE RIVER RUN, UM, YOU HAVE A LOT OF YOUR STUFF INSIDE THAT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST.
I DID SOME RESEARCH TO SHOW, UH, TO, TO
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SEE LIKE HOW MUCH DO 10 WE, WE PUT THESE TENT FLAPS IN AND YOU KNOW THAT 'CAUSE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO STOP ALL THE NOISE.I WHAT LITTLE RESEARCH I SAW IT SAID MAYBE REDUCES BY 10 DECIBELS, WHICH SOMEBODY SAID IS SOME LEAF OR A WHISPER, 10 YARDS.
SO I, I JUST, I I WANT TO SEE THIS PROPERTY SUCCESSFUL.
I THINK IT, THESE ARE GREAT PEOPLE.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT EV 'CAUSE I, I BELIEVE, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM NEIGHBORS, WHEN THE CUP CAME, THE RENEWAL FOR RIVER RUN CAME IN, THAT THE, THE OWNERS OF OF RIVER RUN HAVE BEEN GREAT NEIGHBORS AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT THAT THE ARTOS AND THIS APPLICANT WOULD BE THE SAME RESIDENCE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE, UM, IT IS OUR DUTY AND WE, WE DERELICT IN OUR DUTY TO PUT TWO EVENT VENUES WITH OR WITHOUT MUSIC, UM, TO SEVERAL OF OUR POINTS.
I LOVE THE UNHOSTED, OR I'M SORRY, I LOVE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, I HAVE FAMILY TO COME DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE THAT WE HAVE A HOTEL, BUT I'D LIKE 'EM TO BE CLOSER AND I THINK PEOPLE GET TO ENJOY THAT PROPERTY.
AND I, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN GET THAT FARM STAND GOING AND I HOPE WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THIS A VIABLE, UM, A, A VIABLE BUSINESS FOR THESE FOLKS AND THAT THEY CAN ENJOY A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL RESIDENCE.
UH, SO FOR THAT, UM, AND I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION AFTER THAT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED BEFORE I WENT ON MY SOAPBOX MS. WE UH, WE DID A FIREWORKS ORDINANCE THIS YEAR WOULD, BASED ON THIS, UM, CLASSIFICATION OF, OF BUSINESS USE, WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE FIREWORKS? NO.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME, IT, IT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASK FOR CONDITIONS OR WE DIDN'T ALLOW THEM.
MR. CHAIR, YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WHAT I DO NOT WANT, HOWEVER, IS THAT TO GO VOTE WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BACK WATER.
SO, UH, DO YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW THAT MOTION BEFORE IT REACHES VOTE? AND WE, I MEAN, I'VE GOT SOME, SOME REMAINING DISCUSSION.
I, I'M WITH, I THINK I, I LIKE WHERE CHARLIE'S GOING AND I DON'T WANT TO JUST LIKE HAVE THIS THING IMPROPERLY PASSED OR SHUT DOWN.
PERHAPS WE COULD DEFER IT WITH, WITH YOUR WITHDRAWAL OF THE MOTION AND ALLOW THE URS TO WORK OUT SOME OF THE DETAILS.
IT'S SUCH A, UM, AMPLIFICATION, UH, AMPLIFICATION OF SOUND.
THE, MAYBE THE SIZE OF THE VENUE.
UH, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, UNCERTAINTY ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK THAT THE, THE RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO WOULD BE TO DEFER IT AND ALLOW FOR MORE TIME FOR BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
MADAM
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT IS YOUR DISTRICT THAT WILL FOLLOW YOUR LEAD.
WELL, I, IF, IF THE MOTION FAILS, THEN WE'RE, WE'VE PUT THE, UH, TURN THOSE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAVE TO WAIT A WHOLE YEAR BEFORE THEY CAME BACK WITH SOME AMENDED APPROACH.
UM, AND I'M FEARFUL THAT, UH, THAT MAY HAPPEN.
SO I'LL, UH, WITHDRAW MY MOTION.
CHAIRMAN, I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY AMENDED? A MOTION? AMENDED MOTION? ALRIGHT, DO WE WANT TO DEFER IT? WHAT IS A MOTION TO DEFER? I'LL PUT A, I'LL PUT A MOTION OUT THERE.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD GRANT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU DASH 2024 DASH 19, UH, SUBJECT TO THE IMPOSED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS, WHICH WOULD BE ELIMINATING, UH, PROVISIONS 11 THROUGH 30.
AND TO BE SPECIFIC, I WILL DEFER TO THE AGENDA BOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE MATCHING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE GET THEM ALL CONTAINED.
UM, SO THAT WE, WE MAY VOTE ON A SHORT TERM RENTAL COPY.
SECOND MADAM ATTORNEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES? I DO NOT.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, MR. LAU? I I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION PERHAPS FROM THE ATTORNEY.
WOULD THIS PRECLUDE THE ORANA FROM COMING BACK IN SIX MONTHS IF THEY HAVE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS OF AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND THERE IS HARMONY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IF THERE'S NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR DOES THIS AMENDMENT PRECLUDE THEM FROM COMING BACK WITH ANY KIND OF EVENT? YOU HAVE
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NOW ASKED ME A QUESTION I CANNOT ANSWER FROM THE CHAIR.MR. LYLE, MS. SHARON, YOU, YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT? ALL I WOULD BE INCLINED, OF COURSE I WOULD DISCUSS THIS WITH COUNSEL AS WELL, BUT I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SAY THAT, UM, THE AMPLIFICATION ELIMINATING AMPLIFICATION WOULD IN FACT BE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT ENOUGH THAT IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE MOVED FORWARD BEFORE ONE YEAR.
AND, AND WE WOULD NOT BE VOTING NO ON THOSE PROVISIONS.
WE WOULD JUST BE STRIKING THEM FROM THE CUP.
SO, SO COME BACK FOR THE CONDITIONS AROUND NOS WAITING HAPPEN TO WAIT A YEAR COULD BE CONSIDERED.
I, I WON'T SPEAK FOR THE ONE I'M INCLINED TO SAY IF YOU VOTE TO STRIKE THOSE NOW THAT'S A NO, BUT I THINK THAT'S MS. UH, I'M ACTUALLY INCLINED TO LEGALLY AGREE WITH THAT IF WE TAKE THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH.
I'M TRYING TO THINK A DIFFERENT WAY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION OF WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.
IS THAT NOW THAT WE HAVE STRUCK THOSE OR POTENTIALLY HAVE, DOES THAT PRECLUDE THE OR TENS FROM COMING BACK WITH A REQUEST FOR AN EVENT FOR ONE YEAR, UH, OPERATION THAT MAY OR MAY NOT INCLUDE AMPLIFIED SOUND? SO I'LL STILL GO WITH MY FIRST ANSWER AND TELL YOU THAT I WILL HAVE TO LOOK IN, I'LL HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU.
MS. SHERI'S SUGGESTION WAS THAT IT PROBABLY BASED ON PAST PRACTICE IN GLAND COUNTY, THAT THAT PROBABLY DID PRECLUDE IT BECAUSE YOU'RE DENYING THE REQUEST BY REMOVING IT FROM THE APPROVAL RESOLUTION THAT MR. VADERS MADE, WHICH MEANS THAT THE OROS WOULD BE PRECLUDED FROM BRINGING BACK A SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR APPLICATION FOR A CUP FOR A PUBLIC VENUE PLACE WITHIN A ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME.
HOWEVER, WHAT MS. SHERRY ALSO SAID WAS IF THEY CAME BACK AND SAID NO AMPLIFICATION, THAT THE BOARD MIGHT BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT THAT WAS A MATERIAL ENOUGH DIFFERENCE AS TO NOT BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR AND THEREFORE WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE ONE YEAR.
THAT IS WHY I LIKE SITTING NEXT TO YOU.
MR. UH, UH, SECRETARY? I'D LIKE TO CHANGE MY VOTE TO NO.
ALSO, YEAH, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO CHANGE MY VOTE TO NO.
IF IF I COULD THEN HAVE A RE-VOTE.
I WANT GET CLARIFICATION WHAT THIS MEANS.
WHAT DOES A NO VOTE MEAN? WE'VE FOUND THE WHOLE THING.
MADAM SECRETARY, DID YOU RECORD THE, DID YOU RECORD THE ACTUAL MOTION AS IT WAS MADE? AND IF NOT, I CAN, I'M LET YOU DO IT.
MR. VOS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. VOS MADE A MOTION THAT SAID I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE, I'M SHORTENING IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL USE AND THE CUP CONDITIONS THAT GO WITH THAT.
BUT I WANT TO AMEND THE CUP TO GET RID OF ALL OF THE CONDITIONS AND THEREFORE THE USE THAT BE WOULD BE RELATED TO THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.
RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU DO THE REVOTE, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE YOU LAND ON THIS BECAUSE I THINK YOU NOW NEED TO RE VOTE.
BUT CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY AS IT STANDS, MAAM, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE WITH THE VOTE RIGHT NOW? 3, 2, 3 THROUGH TO DECLINE.
SO THE WHOLE CASE HAS DECLINED RIGHT NOW? WELL, RIGHT NOW, YES.
WHAT YOU'VE GOT IS AN APPROVAL OF THE SHORT TERM USE HAS BEEN DEFEATED, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND THE DENIAL, IF I MAY WORD IT THAT WAY, OF THE PLACE OF, OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, HAS ALSO BEEN DEFEATED
I THINK IF WE DENY THIS CHANGE, THEN THAT'S THE SAME THING AS APPROVING IT.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN WITHDRAW THE MOTION, WITHDRAW THE SECOND, AND DEFER THIS CASE? SO SOMEONE WHO WAS ON THE, SOMEBODY WHO VOTED, I HAVE TO GET THIS RIGHT.
SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER CONSIDER.
BUT IT HAS TO BE SOMEBODY WHO MADE IT HAS TO BE SOMEBODY WHO VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AND NOT SOMEONE WHO VOTED AGAINST IT, WHICH MEANS THAT
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WOULD BE MR. VODS OR MR. SPOON HOUR.I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE TWO OF YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE.
AND ACTUALLY, I MEAN THE ACTUAL VOTE IS RECORDED AS FOUR TO ONE IN FAVOR OF MR. VADER'S VOTE.
THEN WE ASK SEVERAL ASKED TO HAVE IT RECONSIDERED.
SO IF A MOTION TO RECONSIDER WAS MADE, THEN IT COULD BE RECONSIDERED.
AND IF YOU START BACK FROM THE FOUR TO ONE, THEN ACTUALLY MR. LYLE OR MR. CHRISTIE COULD MAKE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER AS WELL AS MR. VADERS OR MR. MR. SAUER.
ANY DISCUSSION IF WE COULD STATE THE MOTION PLEASE? WHAT IS BEING RECONSIDERED? MR. CHRISTIE? I MOVE TO RECONSIDER THE, UH, CHARLIE BODERS MOTION TO
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MR. CARPENTER, WOULD YOU TAKE A ROLL CALL? VOTE PLEASE.
WHAT ARE WE? OKAY, SO WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS TO RECONSIDER THE FOUR TO ONE VOTE THAT APPROVE YOUR MOTION.
SO TO RECONSIDER THE FOUR TO ONE VOTE, THAT WOULD REMOVE ALL OF THE RESTRICTIONS RELATED TO THE VENUE.
DID SOMEONE SECOND THAT? MR. CARPENTER? YES, MR. I SECONDED IT.
UM, I, MY THINKING IS THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO GET TO A DEFERRAL IS IS WHAT I'M THINKING.
AND I NEED TO LOOK TO COUNSEL ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU RECONSIDER THE VOTE THAT YOU JUST MADE AND THE MOTION THAT MR. VADERS MADE, GIMME A SECOND TO THINK ABOUT THIS, MR. CHAIR, COULD WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS PLEASE? YES.
SO IF Y'ALL BEAR WITH US AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, I AM IMPRESSED WITH THE GENUINENESS AND DILIGENCE.
WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS WITH FIVE MINUTES.
UM, JUST A POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR.
JUST BOARD MEMBERS WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, UH, TALK ABOUT THIS, OKAY? CORRECT.
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU'LL TAKE YOUR SEATS, STANLEY.DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU LEAD US THROUGH THE PROPER PROCEDURE? I WILL.
YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR NOW TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE.
IF THAT MOTION IS APPROVED, THEN YOU MAY RECONSIDER THE VOTES THAT YOU ALL MADE ON MR. VADER'S MOTION BECAUSE THAT WAS A LIVE, THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE A LIVE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
IF YOU VOTE NOT TO RECONSIDER, THEN THE VOTES THAT YOU ALL MADE STAND AND I KNOW TWO PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR VOTES AT THE END AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
IF THIS MOTION TO RECONSIDER DOES NOT PASS.
UM, IF THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER PASSES, MR. VOS IS THEN LEFT WITH A LIVE MOTION TO DO AS AND A SECOND TO DO WITH AS HE WISHES HE CAN WITHDRAW IT.
HE CAN, HE CAN AGAIN CALL FOR THE VOTE, VOTE, CALL THE QUESTION AND YOU'RE VOTING ON THE SAME THING, WHICH WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE CUP FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT GO WITH THAT AND ELIMINATE ALL OF THE CONDITIONS AND THUS THE USE FOR THE PUBLIC VENUE.
NOW, WOULD YOU BE KIND ENOUGH AS WE TAKE A STEP BY STEP TO LEAD US THROUGH THIS? OKAY.
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GOING TO DO IS YOU ALL, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOU ALL, MADAM SECRETARY, THERE'S A LIVE MOTION TO RECONSIDER ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND, CORRECT? CORRECT.THEN YOU NEED TO VOTE ON THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE THAT YOU JUST TOOK ON APPROVAL OF THE, UH, CUP TO ALLOW THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AND TO AMEND THE CUP CONDITIONS TO ELIMINATE THE USE FOR THE PUBLIC VENUE.
ALRIGHT? DO WE HAVE SUCH A MOTION? WHAT STARTED MADE? NOW WE JUST HAVE TO VOTE ON THE, WE CAN DO A ROLL CALL VOTING.
SO YOU ARE NOW IN A PLACE WHERE YOU ARE ALL ABLE TO RECONSIDER AND THINK ABOUT MR. VADER'S MOTION, WHICH IS LIVE, HAS BEEN SECONDED AND IS ON THE FLOOR.
AND MR. VADERS HAS THE OPTION TO WITHDRAW IT IF HE WISHES OR LEAVE IT AND CALL THE QUESTION AND ASK FOR YOU TO VOTE ON IT.
I'LL IT CALL THE QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL LEAVE BACK AND CALL THE QUESTION.
SO THE MO THE QUESTION IS NOT DEBATABLE.
ALRIGHT, WELL, SO NO, NO DISCUSSION.
YES, YOU CAN IF IF, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, I THINK YOU CAN SUSPEND THE RULES THERE AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO INFORMATION, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE VOTING.
NOW THIS WOULD NOT ALLOW ANY DEFERRAL.
WE'RE EITHER GONNA VOTE IT UP OR DOWN AS, AS AMENDED BY MR. BARBERS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
WELL IT WOULD STILL HAVE THE AMEND, IT WOULD STILL REMOVE THE LONG TERM.
UM, NOW IF, IF PASSED, IF, IF NOT THEN WE COULD, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER.
MR. WATERS? THEY WOULD AGREE? YES.
SO THEY HAVE, THEY'VE GOT LONG TERM RENTAL, SHORT TERM RENTAL, SHORT, I MEAN SHORT TERM RENTAL, BUT NO WEDDING VENUE CORRECT.
UH, SHORT TERM, UH, I WILL NOW ADJOURN THE MEETING TILL TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 18TH, 2025 WHERE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL HAVE AN AFTERNOON REGULAR MEETING.
THE TIME OF THAT WILL BE TO BE DETERMINED AND ALSO ADJOURNED TO TUESDAY, MARCH 4TH, 2025 WHETHER WE HAVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AFTERNOON, REGULAR MEETINGS, TIME TO BE DETERMINED AND THE REGULAR 6:00 PM PUBLIC HEARING MEETING, WHICH WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC MEETING ADJOURNED.