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GOOD EVENING.I NOW CALLED TO ORDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR APRIL EIGHT, 17TH, 2025.
MS. PARKER, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
[1. Call To Order]
EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION P PLEDGE
[2. Pledge of Allegiance]
ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.LET'S GO TO THE LORD IN PRAYER.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS, UH, WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN THIS, UH, BEAUTIFUL COUNTY, UH, FILLED WITH MANY RESOURCES AND, UH, RESPECTFUL AND KIND PEOPLE.
AND WE ASK, LORD, THAT YOU'LL BE WITH US AND GUIDE OUR CONVERSATIONS AND OUR DECISIONS THIS EVENING, SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE IN THIS, UH, SENSE OF KINDNESS AND GRATITUDE AND MAINTAIN OUR MANY BLESSINGS THAT YOU BRING UPON US.
OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS THIS EVENING IS ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
[3. Invocation - Led By Mr. Kemmerly]
PLEASE MAKE ITS[4. Election of Officers]
REPORT? FOR CHAIR, WE NOMINATE TWAIN COSBY FOR CHAIR.THIS NOMINATION DOES REQUIRE A MOTION AND A VOTE.
I MOTION TO MAKE DWAYNE COSBY CHAIR
[1. Chair and Vice-Chair Election]
SECOND.UH, MS. PARKER, CAN WE HAVE THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE? PLEASE MAKE A REPORT FOR THE VICE CHAIR.
WE NOMINATE AMANDA KOWALSKI FOR VICE CHAIR, AND THIS NOMINATION WILL ALSO REQUIRE A MOTION AND A VOTE.
I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION ELECT AMANDA KOWALSKI AS VICE CHAIR FOR A ONE YEAR TERM.
WE'LL NOW HAVE THE APPROVAL FOR THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING HELD ON MARCH THE 20TH, 2025.
BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, I WOULD
[5. Approval of Minutes]
LIKE TO, UH, CONGRATULATE, UM, MADAM VICE CHAIR, UH, AMANDA KOWSKI.AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE FOR THE WHOLE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION TO JUST THANK FOR JUST A MOMENT.
UM, MR. KURT UCK FOR HIS SERVICE, HIS DILIGENCE, UM, TO SERVING, UH, GLAND COUNTY AS PAT AS THE CHAIR OF THIS PAST YEAR.
UM, I HAVE READ THE MINUTES AND I HAVE NO COMMENTS, BUT I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
[A. Minutes of Mar 20, 2025 6:00 PM]
BEEN SECONDED.CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE PLEASE.
OUR NEXT ITEM IS NEW BUSINESS.
UM, OUR FIRST ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS IS ADOPTION OF THE 2025 PLANNING COMMISSIONED
[6. New Business]
BYLAWS, MS. SPALDING WILL GO OVER THE PROPOSED CHANGES[1. Adoption of 2025 Planning Commission Bylaws]
TO THE BYLAWS AND THEN APPROVAL OF THE BYLAWS WILL REQUIRE A MOTION AND A VOTE.ALRIGHT, I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE GOOD EVENING.
I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF THESE, UH, AMENDED BYLAWS IN YOUR PACKET, AND I'M GONNA GO OVER THE HIGHLIGHTED CHANGES.
UM, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, UM, UH, I MADE THESE CHANGES IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR CLERK, WHICH IS MS. ASHLEY AND, UH, WITH THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, JAMIE, AND WE ALL WORKED ON THIS, AND THE IDEA IS TO STREAMLINE THE MEETING PROCESS
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AND HAVE THINGS RUN AS SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE IN A, IN A LOGICAL ORDER.SO WE'VE ADDED SOME THINGS AND GOTTEN RID OF SOME THINGS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ MY MEMO AHEAD OF TIME OR NOT, BUT I WILL JUST GO THROUGH THESE.
PLEASE STOP ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY CHANGES OR ABOUT YOUR BYLAWS.
UM, THE FIRST THING I DID WAS AN OVERALL GLOBAL CHANGE.
ASHLEY IS YOUR CLERK AND SHE WANTS TO BE KNOWN AS YOUR CLERK.
AND THE WORD SECRETARY WAS IN THERE AS WELL AS CLERK.
SO I JUST MADE A GLOBAL CHANGE AND SHE'S NOW OFFICIALLY YOUR CLERK EVERYWHERE IN YOUR BYLAWS,
UM, AND ANYBODY WHO SHOULD EVER TAKE OVER FOR ASHLEY WILL THEN ALSO BE THE CLERK.
IT, IT RUNS WITH THE POSITION.
UM, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS UNDER SECTION TWO.
THE FIRST CHANGE WAS I MOVED CANCELLATIONS FOR INCLEMENT WEATHER UP BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO BE LOGICAL TO PUT IT WHERE IT WAS.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MEETINGS AND WHEN THEY HAPPEN AND WHERE THEY HAPPEN AND, AND HOW THEY HAPPEN.
AND THIS SEEMED TO FIT IN WITH THAT.
UM, THE SECOND CHANGE, MAYBE THE BIGGEST ONE IN HERE IS THE ORDER OF BUSINESS.
AND IF YOU GO TO PAGE, IF YOU WANNA FOLLOW ALONG, IT'S ON PAGE FOUR.
UM, IN DISCUSSION WITH, UH, MS. PARKER AND, UM, MS. SHERRY, WE DECIDED THAT SOME OF THE ITEMS ON THIS LIST WERE A BIT REDUNDANT AND, UM, I SUGGESTED AND THEY AGREED THAT WE CHANGE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS SO THAT THE FIRST THING YOU DO WHEN YOU MEET IS YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF, RIGHT? WE, WE DO THE INVOCATION AND WE DO THE PLEDGE, AND THEN YOU WANT TO APPROVE YOUR MINUTES.
AND THEN, UM, YOU REALLY WANT TO HEAR AT THAT POINT FROM THE DIRECTOR, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HEAR HER ANNOUNCEMENTS, YOU WANNA HEAR THE REPORT SHE HAS TO GIVE YOU.
THAT'S ALL AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION DOESN'T REALLY REQUIRE A VOTE FROM YOU.
IT JUST REQUIRES SOME, SOME LISTENING AND SOME RECEPTION OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY.
NEXT COMES CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
AND THIS IS NOT CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
IT'S JUST GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
GENERALLY, AGAIN, ALMOST EVERYBODY'S HERE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
THEY GET TO SPEAK AND SAY WHATEVER IT IS THEY WANT TO SAY, AND THEN THEY CAN DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANNA STAY BECAUSE MAYBE THEY JUST CAME BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO TELL YOU SOMETHING AND INFORM YOU ABOUT SOMETHING.
UM, AFTER THAT WE MOVE INTO UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
THIS MAKES SENSE TO US BECAUSE IF YOU'VE CARRIED SOMETHING OVER FROM A PRIOR MEETING, WE PROBABLY SHOULD DEAL WITH THAT BEFORE WE GET ONTO ANY NEW BUSINESS.
SO WE MOVE THAT UP IN THE ORDER OF BUSINESS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, YOUR NEW BUSINESS, WHICH WILL BE ANY REQUESTS FOR DEFERRALS, ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES TO THE ORDER OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND THEN YOU'LL HOLD YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, BUT I WILL REMIND YOU THAT ON ANY AGENDA, WHEN YOU GET TO THE MEETING THAT NIGHT, IF THERE'S A REASON TO CHANGE THE ORDER, A MOTION CAN BE MADE TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA TO MEET A NEED, EITHER YOURS OR PERHAPS AN APPLICANT'S, UM, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND YOU CAN VOTE ON THAT AND APPROVE TO CHANGE.
WHERE IN THIS LIST SOMETHING HAPPENS.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY.
SO THAT IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CHANGE IN YOUR BYLAWS, UM, FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE OTHER CHANGES MADE.
THEN IF YOU GO TO SECTION TWO POINT 10, WHICH IS ON PAGE, I BLOCKED OUT MY PAGE NUMBER ON PAGE FIVE.
UM, IT'S ON PAGE FIVE UNDER, UH, PARTICIPATION BY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION.
SO TWO OF YOU CAN PARTICIPATE REMOTELY, ALRIGHT? AND THE REASONS YOU CAN PARTICIPATE ARE LISTED IN TWO 10 A TWO.
THE CODE OF VIRGINIA WAS UPDATED THIS YEAR TO ADD A THIRD REASON THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO PARTICIPATE.
AND, UH, THE BOARD'S BYLAWS WERE ALSO CHANGED.
AND AGAIN, GENERALLY I UNDERSTAND YOU LIKE TO BE, UH, IN SYNC WITH WHAT THE BOARD HAS DONE.
SO I MADE THESE CHANGES HERE, AND YOU CAN NOW NOT ONLY PARTICIPATE REMOTELY, ELECTRONICALLY IF YOU HAVE A TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT DISABILITY OR OTHER MEDICAL CONDITION, A FAMILY MEMBER HAS A MEDICAL CONDITION THAT REQUIRES THE COMMISSIONER TO PROVIDE CARE FOR THE FAMILY MEMBER.
OR THREE, THE COMMISSIONER IS A CAREGIVER WHO MUST PROVIDE CARE FOR A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY AT THE TIME OF THE PUBLIC MEETING.
NOW, I WAS ASKED HOW DO WE DEFINE DISABILITY? TURNS OUT THE VIRGINIA CODE DOES THAT FOR US.
AND A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY IS ANYONE WHO HAS A PHYSICAL OR MENTAL IMPAIRMENT THAT SUBSTANTIALLY LIMITS ONE OR MORE OF THEIR MAJOR LIFE ACTIVITIES OR THAT THERE IS A RECORD OF SUCH IMPAIRMENT.
SO YOU CAN BE TEMPORARILY DISABLED, YOU CAN BE PERMANENTLY DISABLED, AND A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY WILL BE DEFINED AS SUCH UNDER THE VIRGINIA CODE.
WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW IS FOR QUORUM PURPOSES, AND THIS GOES OVER TO, UH, TWO 10 B TWO, WHICH IS ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE AT THE TOP OF PAGE
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SIX FOR QUORUM PURPOSES.THE ONLY OF THOSE THREE MEANS OF, I'M SORRY, OF THOSE THREE REASONS FOR PARTICIPATING ELECTRONICALLY, TWO OF THEM WILL COUNT FOR QUORUM.
A REMOTE MEMBER COUNTS TOWARDS THE QUORUM IF THE MEMBER IS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY, EITHER BECAUSE THE COMMISSIONER IS THE PERSON WITH THE DISABILITY OR IS CARING FOR A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY.
AND AGAIN, THAT DISABILITY DEFINITION STANDS IN THE VIRGINIA CODE.
SO THE ONLY TWO OF YOU CAN PARTICIPATE REMOTELY THOUGH THERE, THOSE ARE THE, YOU HAVE THREE WAYS, THREE REASONS THAT WILL ALLOW, STILL ALLOW YOUR PARTICIPATION ELECTRONICALLY.
TWO OF THEM WILL COUNT FOR QUORUM PURPOSES.
OKAY? UM, AND THE VERY LAST THING IS IN THE MEETING MINUTES, IT NEEDS TO BE RECORDED THAT YOU ARE PARTICIPATING REMOTELY AND YOU NEED TO DISCLOSE WHERE YOU'RE PARTICIPATING FROM.
YOU DO NOT NEED TO DISCLOSE THE DISABILITY YOU DID NOT.
IT, IT, AND EVEN YOUR LOCATION CAN BE A GENERAL DESCRIPTION, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PARTICIPATE IF YOU'RE SITTING IN THE ICU, BUT, RIGHT.
YOU CAN SAY YOU'RE AT THE HOSPITAL, YOU CAN SAY YOU'RE AT A FRIEND'S HOUSE, YOU DON'T, RIGHT? BUT, BUT YOU DO NEED, AND THAT WILL BE RECORDED IN THE MINUTES.
SO THAT'S FOR, FOR PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE AT THAT POINT TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF FOIA.
UM, AND THE VERY LAST CHANGE I MADE, OH, NOPE, SORRY, I ALSO MADE A CHANGE IN SECTION, UH, FOUR, ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.
THERE ARE TWO TIMES THAT CITIZENS ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
FIRST TIME IS THE OPEN CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
SECOND TIME IS CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY? AND ALL WE DID, I DID THIS WITH THEIR HELP, ALL WE DID WAS SORT OF CODIFY IN YOUR BYLAWS, THE PRACTICE THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY ENGAGING IN.
NOW, A PERSON CAN STAND UP, THEY GET THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, RIGHT? PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO SEED TIME TO A SPEAKER FOR A MAXIMUM OF 10 MINUTES.
EVERY PERSON WHO STANDS UP AND IDENTIFIES THEMSELF AND SAYS, I'M SEATING MY TIME, TWO MINUTES WILL BE ADDED TO THE SPEAKER'S TIME.
THIS ACTUALLY IS NOW EXPRESSLY STATED IN YOUR BYLAWS.
THE OTHER THING THAT IT ALLOWS FOR, AND AGAIN, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS DID THIS, SO I ADDED THIS IN HERE.
PERSONS WHO WISH TO PRESENT USING A VIDEO, AUDIO SLIDES, OR OTHER PRESENTATION AS PART OF THEIR REMARKS ARE ALLOWED TO DO SO.
THEY MUST SUBMIT THEIR MATERIALS ELECTRONIC TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CLERK BY NOON THE DAY BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
IF THEY DON'T DO THAT, BY THAT TIME, THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO PRESENT AT THE MEETING IN THAT MANNER.
UH, THE BOARD HAD DISCUSSION, AND AGAIN, THE THREE OF US HAD DISCUSSION THAT PEOPLE OFTEN WANT TO SHOW YOU PICTURES OF SOMETHING OR THEY WANT TO SHOW YOU A VIDEO TO EXPRESS THE CONCERN THAT THEY HAVE.
AND, UH, WE BELIEVED YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT IF THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD TO DO.
SO, UM, WE'VE INCLUDED THAT AND THAT'S, BOTH OF THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE OPEN CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD AND IN THE, AT THE TIME OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN THE VERY LAST CHANGE IS THE VERY LAST THING.
UH, AND IT, IT JUST SORT OF EXPRESSLY STATES WHAT MY ROLE IS.
I'M YOUR PARLIAMENTARIAN, I'M THE DESIGNEE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND MY ROLE HERE GENERALLY IS TO BE YOUR PARLIAMENTARIAN AND TO HELP YOU WITH MOTIONS.
UM, THE, THE ORDER OF VOTING ON THINGS, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND OF COURSE I'LL HELP YOU IN ANY OTHER WAY IF NEED BE MR. KIMBERLY TO BE, UH, EXACT.
IT'S NOT THAT YOU ARE THE PARLIAMENTARIAN, IT'S THAT THE POSITION IS THE PARLIAMENTARIAN.
IT IS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR HER AT THIS POINT, HER DESIGNEE AND I HAPPEN TO BE AS THE DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY TODAY, HER DESIGNEE.
SO AS LONG AS I'M SITTING IN THIS CHAIR, BUT YES, WHICHEVER ATTORNEY IS SITTING IN THIS CHAIR WILL ACT AS YOUR PARLIAMENTARY.
DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD.
OH, WHAT I NEED TO TELL YOU IS, IF YOU LIKE THESE, YOU WILL, UH, SOMEBODY WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
YOU'LL VOTE ON THESE TONIGHT AND THESE WILL GO INTO EFFECT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
IF YOU DESIRE CHANGES, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AND WE WILL COME BACK THEN WITH A RED LINE REFLECTING WHATEVER CHANGES ARE VOTED ON BY THE COMMISSION, UH, THAT THEY WANT TO THEIR BYLAWS.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. SPADING FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND STAFF AS WELL, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER THE CHANGES TO THE BYLAWS.
UM, MUCH NEEDED CHANGES AND I THINK THIS WILL DEFINITELY MAKE US RUN SMOOTHER.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SPALDING? IF NOT, CAN SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPT THE PLANNING COMMISSION BYLAWS AND RULES OF PROCEDURE AS PRESENTED.
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AYE.OUR NEXT ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS IS ADOPTION OF THE 20 25 20 26 PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING CALENDAR.
UM, ON THE LAST PAGE OF YOUR PACKET, YOU WILL FIND THE PROPOSED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CALENDAR.
IT'S ALSO DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN.
THIRD THURSDAY AT SIX O'CLOCK, EXCEPT FOR OUR JUNE MEETING.
UM, THE THIRD THURSDAY IS A HOLIDAY JUNETEENTH.
SO WE DO HAVE THAT TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY INSTEAD OF THURSDAY.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS CONCERNING OUR CALENDAR? NO.
IF NOT, UH, COULD I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE TO ADOPT? I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPT THE RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS
[2. Adoption of the 2025/2026 Planning Commission Regular Meeting Calendar ]
2025 2026 MEETING SCHEDULE AS PRESENTED.OUR NEXT ITEM IS CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD PER THE PLANNING COMMISSION
[7. Citizen Comment Period]
BYLAWS, SECTION FOUR, ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.GENERALLY, ALL PERSONS WHO SPEAK BEFORE THE COMMISSION DURING THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD OR A PUBLIC HEARING SHALL DO SO FROM THE LECTERN AND FURNISH THEIR NAMES AND ADDRESSES TO THE COMMISSION.
A SPEAKER SHALL ONLY SPEAK ONCE ON ANY ITEM UNLESS THE COMMISSION ASKS THE SPEAKER TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION UNLESS THEY HAVE FIRST BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR.
EACH PERSON WHO DESIRES TO SPEAK SHALL BE GIVEN TIME TO PRESENT ORAL OR WRITTEN COMMENTS.
COMMENT SHALL BE DIRECTED TO THE COMMISSION AND NOT THE AUDIENCE.
THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD PROVIDES A PUBLIC FORUM FOR THE COMMISSION TO HEAR FROM CITIZENS ABOUT MATTERS PERTINENT TO THE ACTIVITIES, ISSUES, OR POLICIES OF THE COMMISSION.
THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD IS LIMITED TO MATTERS THAT ARE NOT SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE MEETINGS AGENDA.
IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK YOU IN THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME FIRST, YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
THE GREEN LIGHT INDICATES WHEN YOU ARE ABLE TO START THOSE THREE MINUTES.
THE YELLOW LIGHT INDICATES WHEN ONE MINUTE IS REMAINING AND THE RED LIGHT INDICATES WHEN YOU'RE OUT OF TIME.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT? CITIZENS ABOUT MATTERS? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REQUEST TO DEFER, ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CHANGES TO THE ORDER OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[8. Requests to Defer, Additions, Deletions, or Changes to the Order of Public Hearings]
AND WE ALSO DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.UM, OUR NEXT ITEM IS OTHER BUSINESS.
UH, WE HAVE A DIRECTOR UPDATE FROM MS. SHERRY.
[9. Public Hearing Items - None]
I TOO WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR.[10. Other Business]
PATAK FOR HIS[1. Director Update]
SERVICES CHAIR, UH, THIS PAST YEAR.AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH, UH, BOTH, UH, CHAIR COSBY AND, UH, MADAM VICE-CHAIR KOWALSKI.
UH, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S A BIT OF A MOUTHFUL.
I'LL GET USED TO IT BY THE TIME THAT YOUR TERM IS OVER.
UM, BUT CONGRATULATIONS AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH BOTH OF YOU.
SO ON THE SCREEN, I HAVE A LIST OF UPCOMING PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT I LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU AND THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE AND THOSE WATCHING, UH, VIRTUALLY, UH, THE MAY 6TH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, THERE WILL BE A DAYTIME MEETING, THE TIME TO BE DETERMINED, BUT THERE WILL NO BE, THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT EVENING.
SO THERE WILL BE NO SIX O'CLOCK MEETING AT YOUR ALL'S NEXT MEETING.
UH, THERE IS ONE APPLICATION SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD.
IT'S THE MARKEL EAGLE ADVISORS LLC, UH, WITH THE PROJECT NAME HIGHLAND, UH, HIGHFIELD, EXCUSE ME.
THIS IS IN DISTRICT STORE DISTRICT FOUR, AND THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO RPUD, WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR A 138 LOT SUBDIVISION ON ROCKVILLE ROAD.
THERE ARE TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS I WANTED TO ALSO MAKE YOU AWARE OF.
UH, THE FIRST ONE COMING UP IS, UH, IN REFERENCE TO AN APPLICATION BY KRLB REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS, A ROCKVILLE, LLC.
THIS IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT FOUR.
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO A RESIDENT, UM, EXCUSE ME, INDUSTRIAL LIMITED, NO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL, EXCUSE ME, UH, FOR AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
THIS IS ON, UM, ASHLAND ROAD AND THE TA TIME AND DATE FOR THAT IS APRIL 24TH AT
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6:00 PM THE LOCATION FOR THIS MEETING WILL BE, UH, GRACE CHINESE BAPTIST CHURCH, LOCATED AT 8 5 0 BROAD STREET ROAD.AND NEXT WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING.
UH, THIS IS AN APPLIC, A PRE-APPLICATION BY BENEDICTINE SCHOOL OF RICHMOND.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT FIVE.
THEY'RE REQUESTING TO AMEND AN EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SCHOOL TO REMOVE THE LIMIT ON STUDENTS.
UH, THEIR COMMUNITY MEETING WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 30TH AT 6:00 PM THIS WILL BE HELD AT BENEDICT TEAM.
IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
OUR NEXT ITEM OF OTHER BUSINESS IS THE UTILITY MASTER PLAN UPDATE PROVIDED BY ACTING DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC UTILITIES
[2. Presentation Update on the Utility Master Plan]
AND COUNTY ENGINEER MR. WAYNE STEVENS.GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN COSBY, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OR COMMISSION, PARDON ME.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SPOKEN FOR YOU.
I USUALLY SPEAK BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, I AM THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC UTILITIES.
UH, ABOUT A MONTH AGO, JAMIE ASKED ME IF I WOULDN'T MIND COVERING A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON MASTER PLANNING FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES.
AND, UH, SINCE I'M ALWAYS WILLING TO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC UTILITIES, I JUMPED AT THE CHANCE
THE, UH, FIRST THING WE'LL TALK ABOUT IS WHY HAVE A UTILITY MASTER PLAN IN THE FIRST PLACE? WHY ARE YOU GONNA SPEND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO HAVE AN ENGINEERING FIRM OR A CONSULTANT LOOK AT ALL OF YOUR PLANNING DOCUMENTS AND COME UP WITH THIS? THE MAIN REASON IS TO PROVIDE YOU A FRAMEWORK TO ENSURE THAT YOU CAN DEVELOP YOUR PUBLIC UTILITIES TO BE RELIABLY AND RELIABLE AND EFFICIENT, SERVING CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS.
THAT ALSO PROVIDES US GUIDANCE WHEN WE'RE SIZING PIPELINES, PUMP STATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT DEFINITELY PROVIDES US ASSISTANCE IN CREATING OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM OR PLAN, EXCUSE ME, AND OUR REPLACEMENT AND RENEWAL PLAN.
AND IT'S ONE OF THE MANY TOOLS THAT YOU HAVE, WE ALL HAVE FOR SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTING THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NOW, WHAT IS UTILITY MASTER PLAN? I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND READ THIS WORD FOR WORD, A UTILITY MASTER PLAN AS A ROADMAP FOR PLANNING, UPGRADES, IMPROVEMENTS, AND EXPANSIONS TO THE COUNTY'S WATER AND SEWER UTILITY SYSTEMS TO MEET THE CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY.
AS OUTLINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU SEE THE ITEMS HERE THAT ARE INCLUDED.
YOU BASICALLY USUALLY INCLUDE AN OVERVIEW OF YOUR EXISTING SYSTEMS AND TALK 'EM UP, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE DOING WELL.
YOU, YOUR ENGINEER WILL COME UP WITH PROPOSED SYSTEM UPGRADES AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT'LL ALLOW YOU TO DO THESE THINGS TO, UH, TO PROVIDE FUTURE SERVICE, UM, IN THIS MODERN DAY AND AGE.
WE ALSO DO COMPUTER MODELING OF ALL OF OUR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS. UH, AND, UH, WE COME UP WITH SOME CONCEPTUAL COST ESTIMATES FOR THE PROJECTS THAT OUR, THAT OUR CONSULTANT HAS PROPOSED.
UM, SO WE'LL GO OVER THE OVERVIEW OF EXISTING SYSTEMS. YOU PRETTY MUCH LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF ALL YOUR EXISTING FACILITIES, THAT'S YOUR WATERLINE, STORAGE TANKS, SEWAGE PUMP STATIONS, WATER BOOSTER STATIONS, TREATMENT FACILITIES, IF YOU HAVE ANY.
WE'RE FORTUNATE ACTUALLY IN THAT WAY AND UNFORTUNATE IN A WAY, BUT WE CAN DISCUSS ALL THAT SOME OTHER TIME YOU REVIEW OUR MAINTENANCE RECORDS WHERE, WHERE WE'RE HAVING WATERLINE BREAKS, WHERE THINGS ARE BREAKING DOWN TO IDENTIFY PROBLEM AREAS.
WE UPDATE OUR EXISTING SYSTEM MAPS TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED SINCE THE LAST UPDATE TO THE PLAN.
AND AGAIN, SOME RECOMMEND SYSTEM RENOVATIONS, REPAIRS, AND OPERATIONAL CHANGES TO THE EXISTING SYSTEM.
FUTURE DEMAND PROTECTIONS ARE BASICALLY THE CONSULTANT COORDINATES WITH COUNTY STAFF EXTENSIVELY.
THEY ANALYZE THE RE RECENT GROWTH LEVELS AND PATTERNS OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.
THEY, THEY REVIEW THE LATEST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IDENTIFY CHANGES SINCE THE PREVIOUS UTILITY MASTER PLAN UPDATE.
'CAUSE I'M, I'LL PROBABLY EMPHASIZE THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES 'CAUSE IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THING.
WE DO NOT JUST GO OUT AND PLAN TO RUN WATER AND SEWER LINES WHEREVER THE HECK WE FEEL LIKE IT.
WE PAY VERY CAREFUL ATTENTION TO THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE LEAD DOCUMENT FOR THIS.
WE ARE REACTIVE TO THE COMP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE BASE OUR MASTER PLAN ON THE THINGS THAT ARE PLANNED FOR IN THAT PLAN, THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS, THE DIFFERENT PROPOSED USAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, WE, THEY, WE, UH, REVIEW ALL OF OTHER AVAILABLE PLANNING DOCUMENTS, TRANSPORTATION PLANS, EMERGENCY SERVICES, ARCH AND REC IS GONNA HAVE A MASTER PLAN HERE PRETTY SOON THAT I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO REVIEW AND SEE IF WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO HELP THEM BRING SERVICES TO THE PLACES THAT THEY DEVELOP.
AND OF COURSE, THE SCHOOLS WE USE ALL OF THIS COLLECTED INFORMATION
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TO DEVELOP SOME PROJECTIONS FOR WHAT OUR FUTURE WATER AND SEWER DEMANDS ARE GOING TO BE.THIS HOST SYSTEM UPGRADES AND IMPROVEMENTS FOLLOW THAT USED, UM, TO YOU EVALUATE PROPOSED PROJECTS FROM THE PREVIOUS, UM, UTILITIES MASTER PLANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ALL STILL VALID.
I MEAN, IT MAY BE THAT THE COUNTY DECIDED, WELL, SOMEBODY DECIDED THEY WANTED THEIR PROPERTY DOWN ZONED, OR THE COUNTY ADJUSTED THE LIMITS OF THE TCSD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT LOOK AT ALL THE PROPOSED PROJECTS.
MAKE SURE THAT YOU STILL, THAT THERE'S STILL SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO DO.
UM, YOU COMPARE THOSE CURRENT PROJECTS TO YOUR CURRENT OR LATEST GROWTH PROJECTIONS AND THE LATEST, UH, COMP PLAN.
ONCE AGAIN, YOU REVISE, UPDATE, REPRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS AS NEEDED.
THEN YOU USE THE FUTURE DEMAND PROJECTIONS THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY DID TO DEVELOP, CONCEPTUALIZE, PRIORITIZE NEW AND OR EXPANDED PROJECTS.
AND THEN THE LAST THING WE DO, ONCE AGAIN, WE RE REVIEW ALL PROPOSED PROJECTS FOR CONFORMANCE WITH THE LATEST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU DON'T NEED TO RUN A 24 INCH WATER LINE RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF THE TCSD 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA GIVE AN INDICATION TO SOMEBODY THAT YOU PLAN ON TAKING THAT THING OUT THERE.
FURTHER, WATER LINES CAN GET SMALLER AS YOU GO OUT FURTHER TO THE LIMITS OF YOUR, OF YOUR SERVICE AREA.
AND THEN BASICALLY, YOU, WE FINALIZE THE LIST OF OUR PROPOSED SYSTEM UPGRADES, FINALIZE THE PRIORITIZATION, AND THEN THEY PUBLISH IT.
COMPUTER MODELING INVOLVES BASICALLY ENTERING A HUGE AMOUNT OF DATA ON ALL OF YOUR LINE SIZES, SLOPES FOR GRAVITY, SEWER LINES, UM, UH, SORRY, PIPE MATERIALS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, PUMP STATIONS IN THEIR CAPACITIES.
AND YOU BASICALLY MODEL HOW THE SYSTEM OPERATES ON A GIVEN DAY.
WE, WE ACTUALLY USE, UH, REAL CUSTOMER USAGE NUMBERS, WHICH LESLIE ACTUALLY COLLECTS FOR US.
UM, IT, WHEN WE, WHEN WE USE IT, DO OUR MODELING.
SO WE DON'T PREDICT THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S USING 250 GALLONS A DAY OF USAGE OR WHATEVER.
WE USE REAL HONEST TOOSH METER READINGS FOR EACH SECTION OF THE MODEL.
UM, WE THEN CALIBRATE OUR EXISTING MODEL AGAIN AFTER WE'VE ADDED THE STUFF THAT WE BUILT SINCE LAST TIME.
AND THEN OUR CONSULTANT WILL PREPARE MODELS FOR THAT, INCORPORATE BOTH OUR FUTURE GROWTH PROJECTIONS AND THE PROPOSED UPGRADES THAT WE'VE, UH, COME UP WITH PREVIOUSLY.
AND OF COURSE, CONCEPTUAL ESTIMATES OF PROJECT COSTS ARE YOU USES YOUR RECENT DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION COST DATA AND LOOK AT HOW HIGH INFLATION HAS GONE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND THEN YOU JACK YOUR NUMBERS UP AND THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ASK WHY IT'S GETTING SO EXPENSIVE.
AND I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING FOR EVERY PEOPLE TO KNOW.
'CAUSE I I OCCASIONALLY HAVE CITIZENS THAT, WELL, THEY INSINUATE AT LEAST THAT YOU MIGHT BE USING UTILITIES TO LEAD THE GROWTH INSTEAD OF THE GROWTH AT, UH, UTILITY MASTER PLAN IS NOT A PLAN TO EXPAND WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE PLANNING, ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS.
AGAIN, WE'RE COMPLETELY REACTIVE TO WHAT YOU, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TELL US IS THE VISION AND DIRECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.
WE DO NOT PROPOSE EXPANSION OF PUBLIC UTILITIES OUTSIDE DESIGNATED DEVELOPMENT AREAS AS, AS IDENTIFIED IN THE COMP PLAN.
AND IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE IMPLEMENTED INDEPENDENTLY FROM THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S INTENDED TO BE TIED VERY TIGHTLY AND CLOSELY TO IT.
A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY OF OUR UTILITY MASTER PLAN.
AND I DON'T KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN HERE 50 YEARS MIGHT BE ABLE TO STAND UP AND TELL ME I'M WRONG.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE, THE FIRST ACTUAL UTILITIES MASTER PLAN THAT THE COUNTY ADOPTED WAS IN 2015.
AT THAT TIME WE HAD ABOUT 1300 CUSTOMERS, COUNTYWIDE A COUPLE HUNDRED HERE IN THE COURTHOUSE, A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND OUT IN THE EAST END.
UH, I CAME HERE IN 2018, GROWTH WAS KICKING RIGHT ALONG.
THEN IN THE, ON THE 2020, WE DID OUR FIRST UPDATE TO THE MASTER PLAN.
AND AT THAT TIME OUR CUSTOMER BASE HAD GROWN TO ABOUT 1,780 CUSTOMERS COUNTYWIDE.
AND TODAY, 2025 WE'RE UNDERWAY ON OUR 2025 OR OUR SECOND UTILITY MASTER PLAN.
AND AS OF THE, AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE RIGHT AROUND 2,900 CUSTOMERS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE LEVEL OF GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND I'M SHOWING YOU THIS TO EMPHASIZE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO CONTINUE TO PLAN FOR OUR FUTURE.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU PRACTICALLY DOUBLE YOUR CUSTOMER BASE OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD, THAT'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF GROWTH.
HERE'S JUST SOME INFORMATION UP ON OUR WATER SYSTEMS.
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AGAIN, UM, TIES 250 CUSTOMERS ON THE OSELAND COURTHOUSE WATER SYSTEM IN 20 15, 297 THIS YEAR.THAT'S ALMOST COMPLETE, UH, COMPLETELY SWANS IN AND REED MARSH SUBDIVISIONS.
SO THE GROWTH HASN'T BEEN QUITE AS BIG DOWN THERE.
UM, WE HAD ABOUT 10 MILES OF WATER LINES IN THE, IN THE AREA IN 2015.
AND WE NOW HAVE ADDED A COUPLE MILES IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
SEWER CUSTOMERS HAVE GROWN SIMILARLY TO THE, TO THE WATER CUSTOMERS.
AND THEN, UH, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WAS USING SOME SLIDES THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN PREPARED AND FOR SOME REASON THEY USED PUMP STATIONS ON THIS INSTEAD OF LINEAR FOOTAGE OF, OF SEWER LINES FOR THE COURTHOUSE.
BUT WE HAD, WE HAD TWO, TWO SU PUMP STATIONS ON OUR SEWER SYSTEM IN THE COURTHOUSE IN 2 20 15.
UM, WE'RE BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHERE GROWTH'S GOING TO GO.
WE PROBABLY WILL END UP OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS OR SO, ADDING ABOUT TWO MORE.
THE EAST END WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS ARE WHERE THE ACTION HAS BEEN FOR THE MOST PART.
BACK IN 2015, WE HAD JUST A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND TOTAL CUSTOMERS.
UH, WE HAD ABOUT 49 MILES OF WATERLINES IN 2015, MOST OF WHICH HAD BEEN BUILT BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WHEN THEY TOOK OUT THE BIG TCSD LOAN.
WE'VE ADDED, UH, WHAT IS THAT, 27 MILES OF, UH, WATERLINE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
OUR SEWER CUSTOMERS HAVE GROWN COMMENSURATE WITH THE WATER AND SO HAS THE, THE LINEAR FOOTAGE OF PIPES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH A MUCH LARGER SYSTEM THAN WERE WHEN WE WERE EVEN FIVE OR 10 YEARS AGO.
UM, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU WHAT SOME OF THE CONCLUSIONS WERE FROM THE 2020 UMP UPDATE.
THEY SPOKEN IN GLOWING TERMS OF US AND I'M HOPING THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THAT SAME CONCLUSION WITH THE NEW ONE.
BUT, UH, THEY, WE, WE DID MAKE SOME GREAT STRIDES BETWEEN 2015 AND AND 2020.
UM, THERE WERE NO EMERGENCY PROJECTS IDENTIFIED AT THAT TIME.
UM, PROBABLY MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT THERE WAS A REALLY HUGE EMERGENCY PROJECT THAT JUST CAME UP OUTTA THE BLUE FOR US BACK IN 2022 WHEN WE HAD TO, UM, START DOING MAJOR REPAIRS TO THE 48 INCH FORCE MAIN THAT, UH, THAT TAKES SEWAGE FROM THE EASTERN GLAND PUMP STATION TO ENRICO COUNTY.
UM, THAT WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT AND IT WAS VERY UNEXPECTED AND IT'S KIND OF UPSET OUR APPLE CART AS FAR AS OUR CIP FUNDING GOES.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE SCRAMBLING AROUND LOOKING FOR, FOR MONEY TO DO PROJECTS THAT WE PUT OFF WHEN IN ORDER TO DO THAT, UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO EMBRACE AND UTILIZE ALL EXISTING AND NEW RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE U IN THE UMP AND I TRUST WE'RE STILL GONNA BE IN GOOD SHAPE MOVING FORWARD.
'CAUSE I'M DOING MY BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
WHAT'S NEW FOR THE 2025 MASTER PLAN? WE'RE EXPANDING OUR REPLACEMENT AND RENEWAL SECTION.
AND NOW, NOW WHEN YOU BUILD A BRAND NEW FACILITY, IT'S CALLED A CIP.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WHEN YOU HAVE A 25-YEAR-OLD SEWAGE PUMP STATION THAT NEEDS TO HAVE ITS PUMPS REPLACED, IT NEEDS TO HAVE ITS CONTROL UPDATE UPDATED NEEDS TO HAVE ITS BUILDING PAINTED, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER.
SOME PEOPLE CALL IT REPLACEMENT REHABIL REHABILITATION.
LEMME, AND SOME PEOPLE CALL IT REPLACEMENT AND RENEWAL.
I USUALLY USE REPLACEMENT AND RENEWAL FOR R AND R.
THERE WILL BE A NEW SECTION TO INCLUDE POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR PROVIDING PUBLIC WATER SEWER SERVICE TO THE OILVILLE AREA, WHICH I IDENTIFIED AS A MAJOR VILLAGE IN THE COMP PLAN.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, THIS IS ACTUALLY IN RESPONSE TO A REQUEST FROM THE, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, DIRECTOR.
SHE'S BEEN RECEIVING SOME INQUIRIES FROM PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAPPEN IN OIL BILL IF WE ACTUALLY HAD PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
SO WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A, OF A PRELIMINARY STUDY GOING ON RIGHT NOW TO LOOK AT WAYS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT.
AND WE'RE GONNA FOLD THAT INTO THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE SO THAT WE MAY HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OR EVEN A POSSIBLE PLAN FOR HOW WE MIGHT DO THAT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
UM, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS NOT MORE OF AN OPERATIONAL THING, BUT WE'RE INVESTIGATING, UH, POTENTIAL REVISIONS TO OUR PRESSURE ZONES ON THE EAST END.
WE'VE GOT SOME PRESSURE ISSUES MOSTLY CAUSED BY HIGH FLOWS DURING IRRIGATION PERIODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, AND WITHOUT GOING OUT AND PUTTING IN ENORMOUS OVERSIZED WATER LINES, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP ALLEVIATE THOSE ISSUES.
AND OF COURSE, THAT WE'RE GONNA INCORPORATE THE CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM TWO OTHER RECENT STUDIES THAT WE DID ON THE EAST END.
ONE IS CALLED THE SYSTEM RESILIENCY EVALUATION.
THAT'S WHERE OUR, UH, THE ENGINEER THAT KEEPS OUR WATER MODELS FOR US ACTUALLY DID SOME CATASTROPHIC FAILURE ANALYSIS AT SOME KEY POINTS IN THE SYSTEM.
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IF THE 24 INCH WATER LINE ALONG 2 88 BREAKS AT BROAD STREET AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SYSTEM? WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT BREAKS FURTHER DOWN? WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE EGPS IS UPSET? THINGS LIKE THAT.SO WE, UM, WE'RE GOING TO, THEY MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOME, FOR SOME, SOME SMALL, SOME LARGE PROJECTS THAT WILL HELP, WOULD HELP US WITH OUR SYSTEM RESILIENCY.
SO WE'RE GONNA SEE IF WE CAN INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE MASTER PLAN AS WELL.
AND THEN THE SYSTEM STORAGE EVALUATION HELPED US IDENTIFY THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT BEHIND ON, ON DEVELOPING SOME ADDITIONAL STORAGE FOR THE EAST END SYSTEM.
WE'VE GOT THE HALF MILLION GALLON TANK UP AT CENTERVILLE AND WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT, COUPLE OF SMALLER STORAGE TANKS AROUND, BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE ONE CIP THAT WE'RE PURSUING.
IT'S ONE THAT GOT DELAYED A LITTLE BIT DURING THE EGPS FORCE MAIN EMERGENCY.
BUT WE'LL BE BUILDING A NEW STORAGE TANK AND BOOSTER STATION FACILITY AT WHAT, AT OUR RIDGEFIELD CONNECTION TO ENRICO COUNTY.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M ASSUMING Y'ALL KNOW SOME THINGS ABOUT THE SYSTEM THAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW, BUT WE BUY ALL OF OUR WATER FROM ENRICO AND THERE ARE FOUR POINTS ON THE WEST END OF THE ENRICO SYSTEM IN THE EAST END OF OUR SYSTEM WHERE WE CONNECT TO ENRICO AND CAN BRING WATER INTO THE COUNTY.
ONE OF THEM IS UP ON ROUTE TWO 50.
WE HAVE A, A LARGE WATER BOOSTER STATION UP THERE.
SO WE CAN NOT ONLY HAVE WATER FLOW INTO THE COUNTY, WE CAN CONTROL THE FLOW RATE AND WE USE THAT TO PUMP AND FILL UP THE CENTERVILLE STORAGE TANK.
THERE IS ANOTHER CONNECTION AT, IN THE RIDGEFIELD IS DOWN NEAR TUCKAHOE CREEK PARKWAY, WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE THE, I THINK THE RIDGEFIELD PARKWAY GO OVER INTO ENRICO COUNTY.
AND NO LONGER DOES WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CONNECTION THERE AS WELL.
SO WE CAN ONLY TAKE WHAT AND RIKO SYSTEM CAN OFFER AND HYDRAULICALLY, IF THE PRESSURE IS ABOUT THE SAME ON BOTH SIDES, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE BRINGING VERY MUCH WATER IN.
SO WE'LL BE BUILDING A BOOSTER STATION VERY MUCH LIKE THE TWO 50 BOOSTER STATION DOWN THAT WAY TO HELP BETTER SERVE THE WEST CREEK AND RIVER ROAD PRESSURE ZONES.
UM, AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'LL BE TYING IN WHEN WE DO OUR, WHEN WE BRING OUR SYSTEM STORAGE EVALUATION INTO THE MASTER PLAN.
AND, UH, KEY TAKEAWAYS, AGAIN, UMP IS EXPENSIVE TO DO, BUT IT PROVIDES US A FRAMEWORK FOR ORDERLY EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT OF OUR SYSTEMS. THE MU UTILITIES MASTER PLAN SHOULD ALWAYS BE REACTIVE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE USE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO DEVELOP THE UMP NEVER THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
THE UMP AL WILL ALSO ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO, IT ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO BE PROACTIVE THOUGH IN PROVIDING THE NECESSARY PUBLIC AND WATER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO SERVE THE GROWTH ANTICIPATED IN THAT, IN THAT COMP PLAN.
I, UH, KNOW THAT WENT KIND OF QUICKLY.
I WAS TOLD I ONLY HAD 10 MINUTES, SO I TRIED TO STAY WITHIN THAT.
BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? DOES ANYBODY, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SPOKEN TO YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE PREVIOUS DIRECTORS SPOKE BEFORE YOU FOLKS VERY OFTEN, BUT, UM, I COME INTO MEETINGS A LOT OF TIMES ASSUMING PEOPLE KNOW THINGS THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT OUR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM.
SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT I JUST PRESENTED TO YOU OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT BE BOTHERING YOU OR THAT YOU MIGHT BE WONDERING ABOUT.
WELL, IN TERMS OF THE SYSTEM, UH, RESILIENCY EVALUATION AND THE STORAGE EVALUATION, WHEN WERE THEY DONE? THOSE WERE DONE LAST YEAR.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING 'EM INCORPORATED PRETTY QUICKLY ACTUALLY.
THE MONTH AND ALL THE TIME HAS, HAS KIND OF GONE AWAY FROM MY BRAIN.
BUT WHEN THE RICHMOND WATER CRISIS HAPPENED, RIGHT, WE HAD HENRICO AND THEN IT CAME OVER INTO GLAND.
IS THERE ANY, UM, UM, REACTIVE STEPS THAT COULD BE TAKEN? SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL DEPEND UPON, DEPEND UPON, DEPEND UPON.
OR IS IT THAT'S JUST RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE TOUGH.
UM, IF IF YOU GET ENOUGH NOTICE AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE ON OUR SIDE OF THE COUNTY LINE, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY CLOSE THE CONNECTIONS OFF BETWEEN ENRICO AND US AND KEEP ANY CONTAMINATED WATER FROM MAKING IT INTO THE COUNTY.
UM, THE ISSUE THERE THOUGH IS DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE? AND TYPICALLY A WATER SYSTEM ONLY HAS ENOUGH STORAGE FOR ONE OR TWO DAYS, IT'S WORTH OF USE.
SO IF ENRICO IS HAVING A PROBLEM, WHETHER IT'S CAUSED BY RICHMOND OR ANYBODY ELSE, AND THEY'RE GONNA GO ON A BOIL WATER NOTICE, IT'S GONNA LAST MORE THAN ABOUT TWO DAYS.
IT REALLY WOULDN'T DO US A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF GOOD.
'CAUSE AT SOME POINT WE'D HAVE TO OPEN UP ONE OF THE CONNECTIONS AND LET WATER COME IN.
BUT IT'S A LITTLE MORE NUANCED THAN THAT BECAUSE IF IN RIK, THERE ARE DIFFERENT PRESSURE ZONES IN DIFFERENT WATER SYSTEMS AND THAT MEANS THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF ELEVATION
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CHANGES, THE, THE WATER PRESSURE AT, AT A GIVEN HOUSE HERE OR AT A LOWER ELEVATION MAY BE THE SAME, BUT WHAT THEY CALL THE HYDRAULIC GRADE LINE OR THE, THE, THE LEVEL OF THE WATER RELATIVE TO THE EARTH'S SURFACE IS HIGHER OR LOWER, DEPENDING UPON THE ELEVATION.AND I THINK ENRICO FEEDS US FROM TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT OF THEIR PRESSURE ZONES.
NOW, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE HYDRAULICALLY OR PHYSICALLY FOR WATER TO TRANSFER FROM A LOW PRESSURE ZONE TO A HIGHER PRESSURE ZONE UNLESS, WELL, UNLESS YOU'VE GOT A PUMP AND THEN YOU'VE EFFECTIVELY NOT TURNED IT FROM A LOW PRESSURE ZONE INTO A HIGH PRESSURE ZONE.
SO IF, FOR INSTANCE, ENRICO IS HAVING A PROBLEM AT THE FAR SOUTHWESTERN END OF THEIR SYSTEM AND WE GOT ENOUGH A NOTICE OF IT, WE COULD CUT OFF OUR RIVER ROAD CONNECTION, SAY LEAVE THE OTHER ONES IN PLACE, ROUTE, YOU KNOW, OPEN AND CLOSE A COUPLE OF VALVES TO ROUTE ADDITIONAL WATER DOWN TOWARDS RIVER ROAD THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE COMING IN THROUGH THE OTHER CONNECTION AND AVOID HAVING TO FOLLOW THEM.
UM, THIS PAST TIME, UM, THINGS GOT A BIT CHAOTIC.
AND I WAS SITTING AT MY DESK WHEN A CUSTOMER CALLED AND SAID, ENRICO JUST SAID THEY'RE GOING ON A COUNTYWIDE BOIL WATER NOTICE.
ARE WE GOING ON ONE? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE GET ALL OUR WATER FROM ENRICO AND I, I HAD HEARD ABOUT THE BOIL WATER NOTICE ON THE SOUTHEASTERN END OF THEIR SYSTEM DOWN NEAR RICHMOND THAT MORNING.
SO I'M CLICKING AROUND ONLINE TRYING TO FIND A TELEVISION STATION AND SURE ENOUGH, THEY'RE GIVEN A PRESS CONFERENCE AND THEY HAD NOT CALLED US BEFOREHAND.
AND, UH, OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, I THINK IS THE TERM THEY ALWAYS USED, WE WENT AHEAD AND WENT ON A BOILED WATER NOTICE BECAUSE, BUT AS IT TURNS OUT, HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS LATER, THERE WAS VIRTUALLY NO CHANCE FOR ANY CONTAMINATED WATER FROM RICHMOND TO HAVE MADE IT INTO OUR SYSTEM.
IT WAS JUST DONE AT A, AT A ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION AND TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM, UH, FROM WHAT WELL, BASICALLY, TO BE PERFECTLY BLUNT, PANICKING.
UH, WHERE CAN I SEE THE ENTIRE PLAN? IT IS ONLINE, THE CURRENT ONE, THE 2020.
UH, IF YOU GO TO THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE THERE, WE HAVE OUR OWN LANDING PAGE FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES.
I THINK OVER ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE'S A DIRECT LINK TO IT.
OH, OH, I'VE LEFT ONE UP ON THE DESK FOR EACH OF YOU.
AND I'LL, I'LL EMAIL YOU A PDF COPY OF IT.
IT'S REALLY NOT PARTICULARLY HUGE, SO.
AND THIS GETS ME THE, UH, THIS ON THE WEBSITE, IT'LL GET ME TO THE OLD ONE.
THE, WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG.
IN FACT, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS SORT OF LIKE A LITTLE PRIMER ON MASTER PLAYING AND WHY YOU DO IT AND WITH WHAT FORCE.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO COVER THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE MADE ON THE, ON THE, BECAUSE WE REALLY MORE OR LESS JUST STARTED ON THE UPDATE, THE 2025 UPDATE.
WELL I'LL START WITH THE OLD ONE.
ANY ANYBODY ELSE? ONE MORE QUESTION.
OF THE WATER POTENTIAL TO OILVILLE, WOULD THAT BE ESSENTIALLY AN EXTENSION OF THE TSCD? UM, POSSIBLY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THE, THE PROBLEM IS WHAT THEY CALL WATER AGE.
'CAUSE THE, THE LONGER WATER HAS BEEN AWAY FROM THE POINT WHERE IT WAS TREATED, TREATED AND NOT CONSUMED.
YOUR CHLORINE RESIDUALS START TO DETERIORATE AND, AND OTHER THINGS START TO HAPPEN CHEMICALLY TO THE WATER THAT MAY ALLOW SOME UN UNPLEASANT THINGS TO GROW.
SO YOU DON'T REALLY WANT YOUR WATER TO BE OLD.
IF WE WERE TO TRANSFER WATER, SAY FROM THE TCSD TO OILVILLE IT, IT WOULD, MY, WELL MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO SET IT UP CLEARLY AS A TRANSFER TYPE EVENT.
THERE WOULD BE NO CONNECTIONS IN BETWEEN UNLESS THE COUNTY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO CREATE A NEW DEVELOPMENT AREA AND THEN WE WOULD RETREAT THE WATER IN OILVILLE BECAUSE OF THE WATER AGE ISSUE.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO TREAT IT AS MUCH AS THEY HAD TO AND IN RIKO TO SEND IT TO US.
BUT WE'D HAVE TO DO SOME, SOME RE-TREATMENT AND SOME, YOU KNOW, CHLORINATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE IT, MAKE IT MEET DRINKING WATER STANDARDS ONCE IT AFTER TO OILVILLE BECAUSE IT, IT'S A FAIRLY FAR AWAY FROM ANYWHERE WHERE THERE'S ALREADY PUBLIC UTILITY.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME CHALLENGES DOING THAT.
OUR FINAL ITEM OF OTHER BUSINESS THIS EVENING IS THE PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN UPDATE PROVIDED BY DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC.
MADAM VICE CHAIR, DEPUTY COUNTY SPALDING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, INVITING ME TO SPEAK.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN, UH, AND HAVE RECENTLY STARTED A MASTER PLAN UPDATE PROJECT TO OUR FIVE YEAR PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.
UM, THAT PLAN IS OBVIOUSLY SPECIFIC TO PARKS AND RECREATION AND LET'S SEE IF I GET THIS GOING.
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HAD PREVIOUSLY IN THE COUNTY, UH, WERE ALL DONE IN HOUSE.UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY CONTRACTED OUT SUMMER TO WAYNE TO BRING IN SOME CONSULTANTS, UH, TO HELP US WITH A PROJECT.
UH, WE HAVE BROUGHT IN, UM, BOTH PROS CONSULTING, UH, WHO SUBCONTRACTED SOME WORK TO KIMLEY HORN, UH, AS WELL AS THE ETC INSTITUTE, MOSTLY FOR THE SURVEY ASPECT THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT.
UM, BUT THE QR CODE THERE TAKES YOU TO OUR LINK TREE THAT HAS ONLY, UM, A SURVEY FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS OR YOU ALL TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK LATER ON.
IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, I'LL THINK ABOUT SOMETHING ON THE WAY HOME OR LATER OR TOMORROW.
YOU CAN, UH, ADD FEEDBACK THERE.
THERE'S ALSO A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION THAT I'M GIVING TONIGHT, UM, AS WELL AS A COPY OF THE DOCUMENT, UH, THAT I HAVE FOR YOU ALL, WHICH I'LL, UM, UH, TALK ABOUT AS, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
SO, OH, AND ALSO ON THAT QR CODE, SORRY, CAN I GO BACK? AND ALSO ON THAT QR CODE, WE USE THAT AS A LANDING PAGE FOR A LOT OF PROMOTION AND MARKETING FOR OUR DEPARTMENT.
SO IF YOU KIND OF SCROLL DOWN, YOU'LL SEE THINGS LIKE SOME OF THE UPCOMING EVENTS WE HAVE.
WE HAVE ONE IN TWO DAYS, WHICH IS AN EXTREME EGG HUNT AT TUCKER, UH, TUCKER PARK OF HIDDEN ROCK PARK, AS WELL AS OUR SUMMER CONCERT SERIES, WHICH STARTS, UH, THE FOLLOWING, UH, FRIDAY, UH, WHICH WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S A GOOD LANDING PAGE, NOT ONLY TO KINDA STAY CURRENT ON THE PROJECT, THIS PROJECT ITSELF, BUT JUST ANYTHING THAT'S LAID TO PARKS AND RECREATION.
SO, UM, UH, A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WAYNE.
UH, WHEN WE STARTED OUR PROJECT, UH, THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE.
UM, SO THAT WAS NOT ONLY INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COUNTY, BUT EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, YOU ALL, AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION WERE ONE OF THOSE.
UH, WE HAD A MEETING WITH OUR, UH, CONSULTANT TO KIND OF EXPLAIN SOME OF THE THINGS, UH, THAT WAYNE ACTUALLY WENT OVER TONIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT THE PROJECT IS, WHAT IT ISN'T, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE EXPECTATIONS, A A QUICK REVIEW OF THE TIMELINE AND A FEW OF THOSE TYPES OF CATEGORIES.
SO JUST AS A REFRESHER, I WANTED TO GO OVER THE PROJECT TEAM.
UH, THIS IS KINDA THE CORE GROUP OF FOLKS THAT ARE GONNA BE WORKING ON OR HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS MYSELF INCLUDED.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY JOSH GILLESPIE IS ENLISTED ON THERE, BUT HE IS OBVIOUSLY ON THE CORE TEAM
BUT, UH, WE ALSO HAVE A KIND OF A SECONDARY TEAM THAT'S, UH, OPERATING AS A SUPPORT STRUCTURE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF A VARIETY OF FOLKS, UH, THAT WORK IN THE COUNTY, UM, THAT ARE PART OF THAT.
THEY'RE KIND OF JUMPING IN AND OUT, UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY STAYING INFORMED AS IT GOES TO HELP US EITHER COLLECT RESOURCES OR TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVES OF THE COUNTY AS IT RELATES TO PARKS AND RECREATION.
SO WITH SOME OF THE INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, PLANNING COMMISSION AS YOU ALL RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION, WE HAVE OUR OWN COMMISSION, UH, FOLKS, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION LEADERSHIP, PUBLIC SAFETY AND HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
[3. Presentation Update on the Parks and Recreation Master Plan]
ARE KIND OF THE MAIN MAJOR PLAYERS ON OUR INTERNAL STAKEHOLDER LIST THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE CARRY GOING INTO THIS PROJECT.AND THAT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO TALK AND HAVE EITHER MEETINGS WITH OR COMMUNICATIONS WITH AND PARKS AND RECREATION.
WE HAVE A LOT OF EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS.
SO THESE ARE, UH, GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY'RE LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS, NONPROFIT, YOU'LL SEE THE SCHOOLS ARE LISTED.
YOU'LL SEE YOUTH SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS, HISTORICAL SOCIETY, MONICA MORGAN, SOIL DISTRICT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, BUT THESE ARE FOLKS THAT, UH, AT UH, AT SOMETIMES WE BUMP SHOULDERS WITH AND OPERATE VERY FREQUENTLY WITH, WHETHER THEY'RE OPERATING IN OUR SPACES.
MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WHERE IT'S MORE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
PERHAPS THEY'RE A PARTNER THAT WE BRING IN, LIKE, UH, THE VA NATURAL MAT, UH, MASTER NATURALISTS TO HELP US REMOVE INVASIVE SPECIES FROM OUR PARKS.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURED AS MANY, UH, OPINIONS OR PERSPECTIVES AS POSSIBLE, WHICH IS KIND OF WHY WE STARTED WITH THIS MENTALITY OF COMMUNICATING FIRST.
SO ALL THESE EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDER GROUPS AND INTERNAL WERE INVITED, UH, TO COME SPEAK TO US AND THE CONSULTANTS TO TALK ABOUT HOW PARKS AND REC IS, PLAYS A ROLE IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
UH, WELL FROM THEIR COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS THEIR ORGANIZATIONAL PERSPECTIVE.
UM, WHICH WAS VERY INTERESTING.
I LEARNED A LOT AS ONLY BEING THE PARKS DIRECTOR FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
THIS WAS GREAT TIMING TO START THE JOB AND HAVE TO DO THIS.
'CAUSE I GOT TO MEET EVERYBODY IN ABOUT A THREE DAY WINDOW
BUT THESE PEOPLE, WE, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE FUNCTION AND OPERATE WITH THEM PRETTY FREQUENTLY.
SO, UM, WHAT HAVE WE BEEN DOING SO FAR, WHICH IS, UH, JANUARY TO MAY, OR SORRY, JANUARY TO MARCH.
UM, WE HAD THOSE PROJECT KICKED OFF MEETINGS WITH THOSE INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDER GROUPS.
WE HELD TWO COMMUNITY CONNECT EVENTS WHERE, UH, THEY'RE BASICALLY SIMILAR TO TOWN HALLS.
UH, WE HAD ONE OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX AND ONE AT SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE PRETTY WELL ATTENDED.
UM, WE COLLECTED SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WE ALSO EDUCATED THEM ON WHAT THE PLAN IS, UH, AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR THEM.
WE ALSO, AT THAT TIME, WERE DEVELOPING THE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY THAT WILL GO OUT TO THE COMMUNI, UH, THAT WILL GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY IN APRIL, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOW.
UM, THAT STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY IS BEING DISTRIBUTED.
IT'S PROBABLY IN THE MAIL RIGHT NOW.
IF NOT, UM, IT SHOULD BE LANDING MAIL BOXES BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DEVELOPED INTERNALLY, OBVIOUSLY, UH, IN THE COUNTY AS WELL AS WITH PROS CONSULTING AND ETC, WHO WILL BE ADMINISTERING THAT SURVEY AND COLLECTING THE RESULTS.
UH, THAT SURVEY IS ANONYMOUS AND SINCE IT'S STATISTICALLY VALID, NOT EVERY COMMUNITY MEMBER WILL RECEIVE IT.
UM, WE DO PLAN TO OPEN UP, UH, THE SAME SURVEY TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC A LITTLE BIT LATER.
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THERE TO BE ANY CONFUSION WITH FOLKS THAT WOULD RECEIVE THIS SURVEY.WE WANT THEM TO COMPLETE IT AND RETURN IT.
ONCE WE HAVE ENOUGH RESPONSES TO, UH, BASICALLY ACHIEVE VALIDITY, THEN WE'LL BE, UH, CONTINUE OUR COLLECTION WITH THE, WITH THE LARGER GENERAL PUBLIC.
UM, ONE THING WE'RE WORKING ON IS UNDERWAY NOW IS OUR BENCHMARKING ANALYSIS.
SO THAT IS A SELECTION OF FIVE SIMILAR, UM, MUNICIPALITIES AND LOCALITIES THAT ARE EITHER, UH, KIND OF ON PAR WITH US OR ONES THAT, THAT WE ASPIRE TO BE MOSTLY FROM A PARKS AND REC PERSPECTIVE.
BUT A LOT OF THE PARAMETERS THAT WE USE TO IDENTIFY THOSE ARE THE SAME ONES YOU'D PROBABLY USE AND SOME OF THE OTHER MASTER PLANNER STRATEGIC PLANS KIND OF GOING OFF OF POPULATION AND, AND ALL THE WAY KIND OF DOWN THE LADDER.
AND THEN WE GET TO PARKS AND REC.
DO THEY HAVE A RIVER, YOU KNOW, THAT BORDERS THEIR ENTIRE COUNTY? HOW MANY PARKS DO THEY HAVE? UH, SO WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WENT THROUGH SOME OF THOSE, UH, BENCHMARKING INITIAL CHECKS.
FACILITY EVALUATIONS WE'RE ABOUT, UH, 80% DONE WITH THOSE.
KLEY AND HORN CAME AS WELL AS PROS CONSULTING.
AND WE TOURED ALL OF OUR SPACES, SO ALL OF OUR PARKS, ALL OF OUR FACILITIES, WHICH WOULD BE THE SPORTS COMPLEX AND CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL.
SO OUR INDOOR AND OUTDOOR SPACES.
AND WE BASICALLY EVALUATED EVERYTHING.
SO, UH, CONDITION OF PLAYGROUND, CONDITION OF TRAILS, BENCHES, I MEAN EVERYTHING, BIRD HOUSES, DOG PARKS, I MEAN, ALL OF IT.
UM, JUST TO KIND OF GET AN EVALUATION ON, UM, ON, ON ALL OF THAT AS WELL AS HOW WE'RE UTILIZING OUR SPACES CURRENTLY, WHICH IS SOMETHING I'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE MORE HERE, BUT THESE ARE TWO EXAMPLES THAT AREN'T OURS, BUT, UM, IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN IT COMES BACK AND HOW THEY'RE CATEGORIZED, UM, FROM THE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY.
UH, ONE OF THOSE BEING TOP PRIORITIES FOR INVESTMENT FOR PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES WHILE THE OTHER BEING TOP PRIORITIES, INVESTMENT FOR FACILITIES, AMENITIES BASED ON THE COMMUNITY'S RESPONSE AND ONES AND NEEDS.
UM, SO MAY THROUGH JULY, WHICH IS WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THE RESULTS OF THAT FACILITY EVALUATION.
WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A LEVEL OF SERVICE WORKSHOP, UH, WITH THE CONSULTANTS, AND THAT IS MORE SO ABOUT HOW WE OPERATE NOW BASED ON THE WANTS AND NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT IS OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE? WHAT ARE WE MEETING, WHAT ARE WE NOT MEETING? WHAT ARE WE DOING WELL? WHAT ARE WE DOING POORLY OR THAT COULD USE SOME LEVEL OF IMPROVEMENT.
UM, HOPEFULLY, UH, IN JULY WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH RESPONSES TO REVIEW, UH, THE INITIAL, UH, RESULTS OF THE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY.
THE BENCHMARKING ANALYSIS SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY THEN, AND WE WILL START, UH, IN JULY TO, UH, THE PROCESS TO DEVELOP OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PLAN IN THE WORLD OF PARKS AND RECREATION IN GLAND.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF CS IN THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.
UM, CS HAVE OBVIOUSLY BEEN CHALLENGING FOR THE COUNTY IN GENERAL.
UH, THIS IS KIND OF A REFRESH FOR US.
UM, SOME OF OUR CS HAVE BEEN LINGERING FOR QUITE A WHILE, AND IT'S JUST A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MATCH THOSE AGAINST WHAT WE, WHAT WE NEED TODAY AND TO KIND OF RESET THAT FIVE TO 10 YEAR OR BEYOND OUTLOOK.
UM, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SMALLER, LOW HANGING FREE PROJECTS AS WELL AS ANY KIND OF FUTURE PLANNING OR FACILITIES THAT THAT MAY BE NEEDED.
JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF THE PROJECT OVERVIEW, UH, AND SOME FRIENDLY REMINDERS.
ONE IS, IS THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS MASTER PLAN, UH, HOPEFULLY WOULD BE ADOPTED IN NOVEMBER.
THAT'S THE TIMELINE WE'RE SHOOTING FOR.
UM, IT'S A 10 YEAR, FIVE TO 10 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON.
UH, THE, THE GOAL FOR US, UH, AND UH, FOR PROS CONSULTING IS FOR IT TO BE REALISTIC FOR GOON AND WHO WE ARE TODAY FOR IT TO BE IMPLEMENTABLE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE.
UH, IF THERE ARE, UH, FUNDING THAT, YOU KNOW, FUNDING THAT'S NEEDED TO MAKE THOSE GOALS A REALITY, UH, ONCE WE KIND OF, UH, NARROW OUT EVERYTHING IN THE PLAN.
DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ABOUT ANYTHING? ANYTHING IN GENERAL FOR PARKS AND RECREATION? OH, BUT ACTUALLY BEFORE YOU, JUST KIDDING.
SO THIS, UH, IS A, UH, FRIENDLY TAKE HOME, UM, READIT YOUR LEISURE DOCUMENT.
SO THE NATIONAL PARKS, NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARKS ASSOCIATION IS ONE OF TWO KIND OF, UH, MAJOR GROUPS THAT WE BELONG TO AS A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION.
UH, THIS IS THEIR 2024 PERFORMANCE REVIEW.
SO WHAT WE DO IN GLAND IS WE SUBMIT OUR DATA TO THIS EVERY YEAR.
AND THIS IS A COLLECTION OF PARKS AND RECREATION, BOTH CITIES AND COUNTIES AND ALL KINDS OF FOLKS ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF EVERY DIFFERENT SIZE.
SO SUPER SMALL TO, YOU KNOW, BALTIMORE OR AUSTIN, TEXAS OR WHATEVER.
AND, UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING FOR FOLKS THAT, UM, THAT, THAT MAY WANT TO KIND OF, THAT, THAT LIKE DATA, UH, OR WOULD LIKE TO DIVE INTO, UH, THE WORLD I WORK IN EVERY DAY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
UM, THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF BREAKING THAT DOWN, UM, BREAKING, BREAKING DOWN ALL THOSE RESULTS INTO CATEGORIES THAT, THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY FIT IN BASED ON A NUMBER OF THINGS.
BUT USUALLY IT'S POPULATION SIZE.
UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE CATEGORIES THAT I ALWAYS ENJOY LOOKING AT ARE RES UH, AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS PER PARK, AMOUNT OF ACREAGE PER PARK, UH, AC ACRES PER PARKLAND, PER 1000 RESIDENTS, PERCENTAGE OF AGENCIES OFFERING SUMMER CAMPS, THE AMOUNT OR LEVEL OF FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT EMPLOYEES PER 10,000 RESIDENTS, OPERATIONAL EXPENDITURES PER CAPITA REVENUE TO OPERATING EXPENDITURES AND THEIR COST RECOVERY.
AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A LOT OF GOOD DATA.
UM, AND IT'S KIND OF FUN TO OBVIOUSLY COMPARE YOURSELF TO OTHERS.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO, WE UNDERSTAND IN OUR DEPARTMENT THAT GOOSE'S GOOSE'S PRETTY UNIQUE.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S ANOTHER WAY THAT WE HOPE TO INCORPORATE,
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UH, INCORPORATE THIS INTO THE MASTER PLAN TO HELP US GET A HOLISTIC KIND OF VIEW OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND WHERE WE, WHERE WE MIGHT BE GOING IN THE FUTURE OR WHERE WE'RE FALLING SHORT TODAY.SO, AND NOW, UH, QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY OR COMMENTS OR ANY FEEDBACK FOR THE PLAN.
QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, IN TERMS OF THE BENCHMARK ANALYSIS, UM, WHAT COUNTIES OR CITIES OR LOCATIONS ARE YOU LOOKING HERE CURRENTLY? SO, UM, WE, WE ARE, THE FIRST THING I WOULD SAY IS I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE, UH, FOR US TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT.
BUT WE HAVE LOOKED, UM, IN VIRGINIA AS KIND OF OUR PRIMARY LOCATION TO LOOK NORTH CAROLINA, TENNESSEE, SOUTH CAROLINA, OR SORRY, YEAH, NORTH CAROLINA, TENNESSEE, AND, UH, GEORGIA.
UM, THE LIST THAT WE STARTED WITH, WHICH PROBABLY IN THE BALLPARK ARE LIKE 15 OR SO THAT WE, THAT WE KIND OF INITIALLY NARROWED DOWN THAT, BUT ONES THAT ARE IN VIRGINIA THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, AND AGAIN, LIST AS A FINALIZED WOULD BE LOUISA.
UM, BUT PEANS HAS SLID DOWN THE LIST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
B, B I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU, JOSH, HOW DO YOU SAY IT? BB BAU.
SORRY, WHAT IS IT? BOCATA? I KNOW THAT WHAT, WHAT HE SAID, UM, WAS ONE OF THOSE, UM, AS WELL AS, OH GOSH, CLARK.
I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE LIST.
I KNEW I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE LIST.
THE ONES OUTTA STATE WERE, UH, UM, OR ONES I HAD NEVER HEARD OF.
BUT ANYWAY, THE, UH, THE GOAL IS FOR US IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS TO HAVE THAT LIST FINALIZED AND I WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO SHARE IT WITH YOU ALL.
UM, BUT, BUT WHERE WE ARE NOW IS PROBABLY AROUND THE 15 TO 16 MARK.
UM, THE THE ONE THING ABOUT GOING OUTTA STATE, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE'RE LEANING THAT WAY, UH, PEARSON COUNTY IN NORTH CAROLINA, THEY'RE COMING BACK TO ME SLOWLY.
UM, IS IT, IS IT CAN BE PRETTY DIFFICULT TO RELATE YOURSELF TO THEM BECAUSE OF HOW FAR OUTTA STATE THEY ARE.
NOT TO SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, IT DOES TAKE A LOT OF EDUCATING TO SHOW WHY WE ARE SIMILAR.
UM, BUT TRUTHFULLY, FOR, FOR WHERE GOLAND IS TODAY, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THAT, UH, MORE SIMILAR WITH LIKE BIG CITIES WHERE YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
YOU KNOW, CHARLOTTESVILLE FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE OF YOUR BUBBLE TO FIND SOMEONE THAT KIND OF FITS YOUR, YOUR SIZE AND SCOPE.
BUT HERE IN VIRGINIA THERE ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF COUNTIES THAT, UM, NOT, NOT HAVE, FROM WHAT I'VE LEARNED, NOT EXPERIENCED THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH WE HAVE, BUT UM, BUT DEFINITELY WHEN IT COMES TO A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS AND ESPECIALLY THINGS IN THE REALM OF PARKS AND RECREATION THAT WE COMPARE OURSELVES TO.
SO, SORRY, I COULDN'T ANSWER THE WHOLE QUESTION TODAY.
SO YOU SAID, UH, PEAN, YOU STARTED WITH THAT, BUT THEN YOU PUSHED IT DOWN THE LIST.
WHAT DO YOU, WHAT? SO WHY NOT THEY, I MEAN THERE'S SHARE A RIVER WITH US.
UM, WELL ONE OF THE REASONS IS, UH, THAT, THAT I, UM, THAT I BROUGHT UP, UM, AND NOT TO SAY THEY WON'T MAKE THE LIST, I SHOULDN'T, I SHOULD START WITH THAT IS, UM, WE ALREADY KNOW A LOT ABOUT 'EM.
MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THE COUNTY, PROBABLY NOT EVERYONE, BUT THEY KNOW THE MAJORITY ABOUT THEM.
SO TO BURN OUR WHEELS AND FRANKLY SPEND THE MONEY TO COMPARE OURSELVES TO SOMEONE THAT WE'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH, UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PARKS DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR AND PALATAN.
WE'VE GONE ON TO JOINT VENTURE TOGETHER TO OPERATE BOTH FARMER'S MARKETS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE IN PEAN.
UM, BUT WHEN WE START TO GO DOWN THE LIST OF COMPARABLES, JUST THE INITIAL LIST OF WHETHER IT'S THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD, UH, COST TODAY OR IT'S THE MEDIUM INCOME OR IT'S, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THEIR SIZE OF PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS, UM, UH, THEY'RE ALSO ABOUT, UH, EQUAL TO US.
AND I ALSO WANNA BE CAREFUL NOT TO PICK A BUNCH OF COUNTIES OR RECOMMEND THAT WE PICK A BUNCH OF COUNTIES THAT ARE, THAT WE'RE STANDING SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH.
BECAUSE IN FIVE TO 10 YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S WHERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S WHO'S IN FRONT OF US THAT IS DOING THINGS THAT ARE MEETING THE NEEDS, WELL THEIR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, YOU KNOW, OF, OF A, OF A GOOD PLAN OR DEVELOPING A GOOD PLAN TO FOLLOW THAN SOMEONE WHO'S EITHER EQUAL TO OR LOWER THAN US.
UM, 'CAUSE REALLY AT THAT POINT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE OUR EYES ARE HEADED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PHASE FOUR, SIMILAR TO FOR YOU ALL OR JUST LIKE YOU ALL HERE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I'M AT THE PARK WAY MORE THAN PROBABLY ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO BE, SO I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GUYS DO AND, YOU KNOW, FREQUENT, FREQUENT FLYER THERE.
UM, IS THERE ANY TALK OF THE FARMER'S MARKET NOW THAT WE'RE DOWN TO ONE IN GLAND? CORRECT? YEAH.
SO YOU MADE THAT TIME OR DAY OR ANYTHING TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE OTHER THAN A TUESDAY EVENING? YEAH, NO, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD THAT QUESTION, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, WHEN WE, UH, FIRST, UH, WENT DOWN THIS, UH, ROAD OF, UH, ABSORBING THE FARMER'S MARKET INTO THE COUNTY, UM, AND TAKING THAT UNDER OUR UMBRELLA OF RESPONSIBILITY, WHICH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY PRETTY COMMON OUT IN THE WORLD OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
UM, THE FIRST ISSUE WE HAD WAS THAT, THAT THE, THE MANNEQUIN MARKET IS ON PRIVATE LAND.
SO, UM, THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE HAD TO PROBABLY NAVIGATE A, A SITUATION OR AN AGREEMENT, UH, WE KIND OF TABLED THAT FOR NOW.
I DO THINK THAT, UM, PREFERABLY AFTER WE GET THROUGH A SEASON, SO WE, SO WE HAVE A BETTER GRASP ON, UH, HOW THAT OPERATES.
THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US EXPAND THOSE HOURS.
WE, WE HEAVILY ENTERTAIN THE SATURDAY SCENE.
UM, IT, IT IS SUCCESSFUL AND WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM OTHER LOCALITIES THAT, THAT DO IT.
UM, BUT WE FIGURED, ESPECIALLY FROM THE VENDOR PERSPECTIVE, WE HAD A, LIKE A VENDOR ORIENTATION
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WHERE WE BROUGHT OUR VENDORS IN AND WE, WE WENT TO PAL TAN PALATE, CAME TO OURS, UM, TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING.UM, THEY, AT LEAST THE VENDORS THAT WE HAD WERE, WERE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THEY, WITH TUESDAY, MOSTLY BECAUSE THEY TRAVEL, SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA PALATE ON THURSDAY, WHICH IS PAL TANS.
THEY'RE GOING TO RICHMOND ON SATURDAY, THEY'RE GOING TO WHEREVER.
UM, SO I THINK AFTER GOING THROUGH THE FIRST SEASON, UH, AND NOT ONLY GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE VENDORS, BUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US EXPAND.
UM, I THINK ESPECIALLY GIVEN OUR COMMUNITY AND ITS RURAL CHARACTER THAT, UH, FARMER'S MARKET IS RIGHT AT HOME AND THAT, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE, WE WANTED TO STEP, TO CONTINUE TO SEE IT OPERATE SO AS WELL AS MAYBE SOME INVESTMENTS, YOU KNOW, INTO THE FACILITY.
UM, JUST, SORRY, ONE MORE THING.
UM, AND THIS IS MAYBE JUST MORE OF LIKE A, UM, UH, POINT OTHER THAN A QUESTION OR WHATEVER.
UM, MAKING SURE THAT OUR, OUR, OUR FACILITIES ARE ABLE TO CATER TO, I KNOW WE CAN'T ALWAYS ENCOMPASS ALL KIDS, BUT REALIZING THAT WE HAVE CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS THAT, UM, MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THOSE SENSORY ISSUES OR MAY BE IN A WHEELCHAIR THAT, THAT GO TO OUR PARKS AND HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO.
UM, AND JUST BEING COGNIZANT OF THE FACT, UM, THAT TRYING TO REACH MORE OF THAT POPULATION BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THOSE KIDS HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THE NEW GLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HAS MAYBE TWO PLAY THINGS THAT A, THAT A CHILD MAYBE IN A WHEELCHAIR OR, YOU KNOW, DISABILITY CAN ACCESS, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT FOR FUTURE USE FOR OTHER CHILDREN.
AND UM, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE THOUGHT OF THAT, THAT'S NOT NO, IT'S, IT IS A GREAT POINT.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST PERSON THAT'S MENTIONED THAT, AND ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THE TOWN HALL SETTINGS.
UM, SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS LIKE A, UH, A FENCE IN AREA, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A, A PLAYGROUND THAT'S FENCED IN, FOR EXAMPLE, OR THAT IS CONTAINED BY A BARRIER AND FOR, UH, CERTAIN FAMILIES WITH, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN KIDS THAT MAY HAVE DISABILITIES, THAT THAT ALONE IS, IS HELPFUL.
LET ALONE THE ADAPT, YOU KNOW, HAVING ADAPTIVE EQUIPMENT OR PLAYGROUNDS OR EVEN WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR TRAILS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THE WALKABILITY OF THOSE, WHETHER IT'S A TRAIL OR IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, UH, ANY KIND OF PASSAGEWAY.
UM, AND THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS A MATERIAL THAT WE'VE CHOSEN OR, OR COULD CHOOSE.
UM, BUT, BUT WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT PACKET AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT SOME OTHER PEOPLE DO, SOME OF, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE DO THINGS BETTER THAN OTHERS.
NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS, BUT THAT IS A CATEGORY THAT I THINK THAT YOU WILL DEFINITELY SEE, UM, I WOULD HOPE HIGHER ON THE LIST OF GOALS TO ACCOMPLISH OVER THE NEXT X AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WE WOULD BUILD TODAY, I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE OUR COUNTY TO, TO FOCUS ON THE ACCESSIBILITY ASPECT OF IT.
UM, WE, UH, FOR GOOD REASONS AND BAD REASONS, YOU KNOW, WE CONTINUE TO USE REALLY OLD BUILDINGS FOR THINGS.
THIS IS AN OLD SCHOOL AND THE TIMES WORTH CERTAIN THINGS ARE BUILT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THOSE THINGS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THOUGHT OF.
SO IF WE BUILT SOMETHING NEW TODAY OR REPLACE SOMETHING LIKE A PLAYGROUND, WHICH WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE, THAT ARE DUE FOR REPLACEMENT, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE FOCUS ON THAT.
NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO BUILD A MIRACLE FIELD.
AND YOU GO CRAZY, BUT, UH, WE WORK REALLY WELL WITH THE RE UH, REGION SIX SPECIAL OLYMPICS FOLKS.
WE HELP THEM HOST FENCE, UH, A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S FUNDRAISING, THEIR BASKETBALL TEAM PRACTICES IN OUR GYM IN SEASON, ET CETERA.
UM, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS PLANE IN OUR FUTURE.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THIS SURVEY, IS THERE A MINIMUM THAT THE COUNTY'S SHOOTING FOR TO MAKE IT VALID? YEAH.
374 I'M PRETTY SURE IS THE NUMBER.
UM, BUT I CAN, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT WE'RE SENDING OUT A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT OBVIOUSLY TO MAKE SURE WE GET THEM BACK.
UM, BUT THEY, THE, UH, ETC INSTITUTE PURCHASES THE ADDRESSES AND SENDS THEM OUT AND, AND OBVIOUS, AND ANOTHER THING I'D MENTION IS THEY OBVIOUSLY MAKE SURE IT'S BALANCED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE REPRESENTATION BASED ON WHERE THAT POPULATION DENSITY IS.
SO LIKE FROM LIKE THE EAST SIDE VERSUS WEST SIDE.
UH, ONE MORE QUESTION OUTTA LEFT FIELD.
UH, HAS ANYONE FROM THE COUNTY EVER TALKED TO THE STATE THAT, UM, WHERE THEY OWN THE OLD ABANDONED PRESIDENT CROSIER? UH, NOT AS FAR AS I'M AWARE.
UM, I'M SURE I CAN ASK THAT QUESTION, UH, TO COUNTY LEADERSHIP, BUT, UM, GOT A BASEBALL FIELD THERE.
YEAH, I'VE HAD SOME INTERESTING QUESTIONS THAT FROM THE PUBLIC AS THIS, AS THIS IS GONE, BUT, UM, I, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE ACTUALLY HAD THAT QUESTION, SO I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT.
THERE'S SOMETHING SOMEWHERE THAT WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ASK THE, ASK THE QUESTION.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS, THEN THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.