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          [I.	6:00 PM - Call to Order]
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          ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL START OUR FY 2027 BUDGET WORKSHOP, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DR. 
          ER. 
          YEAH, WELL THANK YOU MR. 
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CHRISTIE, AND GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME OUTTA YOUR BUSY SCHEDULES TO JOIN US THIS EVENING. 
          UM, THIS IS ONE OF MANY WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAVE HAD THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS IN THIS ROOM. 
          AND THIS IS, AGAIN, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND TO WORK TOGETHER AS WE CREATE A SPENDING PLAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. 
          YOU KNOW, SPENDING PLAN THAT'LL BE EFFECTIVE ON JULY 1ST OF, OF 2026. 
          AND SO, UM, BEFORE I GET STARTED, JUST WANNA SHARE A FEW KUDOS AND THANK YOUS. 
          THIS IS A PROCESS THAT'S REALLY HAS STARTED FOR US INTERNALLY AS A STAFF WAY BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND, AND REALLY KICKED OFF IN A LOT OF WAYS WITH THE WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD TOGETHER, TALKING ABOUT CIP AND CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS IN INTERNALLY, UH, FOR, FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS. 
          AND EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD HAS HAD, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THEIR NEEDS WITH ME AS, AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AND HAVE BEEN EVALUATING A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS OVER THE COURSE OF THE FALL. 
          AND THEN AS WE TRANSITIONED INTO THE NEW YEAR, REALLY, UM, FOCUSED HEAVILY ON, ON THE REVENUE SIDE OF OUR WORK AND CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE UTILIZE ANY OF OUR TAXPAYERS PRECIOUS DOLLARS ON EXPENDITURES, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO IDENTIFY FIRST, UH, OUR REVENUE STREAMS. AND SO I, I SAT IN THIS ROOM WITH JENNIFER BROWN, PAM DUNCAN, MARYANNE DAVIS, AND DAVE WILSON AS OUR, UH, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER STAFF, AND REALLY HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION ABOUT COLLABORATION AND HOW, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ULTIMATELY WORK TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY THE RESOURCES, UH, AVAILABLE TO US FROM OUR TAXPAYERS TO, TO ACCOMPLISH OUR, OUR STRATEGIC GOALS AND INITIATIVES. 
          AND JENNIFER AND BRIDGET ARE HERE FROM THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUES OFFICE AND JUST WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR COLLABORATION. 
          UH, PAM IS NOT ABLE TO JOIN US THIS EVENING, BUT HAS BEEN A REALLY CRITICAL PLAYER IN THAT WORK AS WELL AS MARYANNE FROM THE ASSESSMENT SIDE. 
          UH, OUR COLLEAGUES IN FIRE RESCUE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AND EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT HEAD CERTAINLY HAS, HAS PLAYED A ROLE IN THIS WORK. 
          AND SO I'M JUST CONTINUALLY THANKFUL FOR THIS TEAM, UH, FOR THE THOUGHT PARTNERSHIP ALONG THE WAY AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO WORK TOGETHER. 
          UH, WE'RE 
          [1.	Revenue Projections and Budget Update]
GONNA START HIGH LEVEL TONIGHT. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE FOUR, A COUPLE MAJOR TOPICS TO DELVE INTO, BUT, UH, REALLY MY FOCUS IS TO, TO START HIGH LEVEL ON SOME THINGS AND KIND OF GET A, AN EARLY UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT, THAT ARE GOING TO INFLUENCE US AND OUR WORK. 
          AND AS WE TRANSITION IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, YOU KNOW, SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO SHARPEN OUR PENCIL AND, UH, CHALLENGE MAYBE SOME PREVAILING THOUGHTS AND HOW WE CAN ULTIMATELY MAKE REALLY GOOD DECISIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. 
          SO, UH, GO AHEAD AND, AND JUST JUMP RIGHT IN. 
          SO, FIVE MAJOR, MAJOR TOPICS. 
          I'M GONNA SPEND SOME TIME TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT REVENUE FORECASTS, AND AGAIN, BOARD MEMBERS. 
          THESE ARE VERY EARLY REVENUE FORECASTS. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA SHARE WITH, UH, YOU AND THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC IS HERE WE ARE IN JANUARY OF 2026, TRYING TO FORECAST REVENUE FOR THE NEXT 18 MONTHS FOR A BUDGET. 
          ULTIMATELY, THAT'S GOING TO END ON JUNE 30TH, 2027. 
          SO HERE WE ARE PRETTY EARLY IN THE PROCESS AND ULTIMATELY WORKING TOGETHER WITH OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AND OUR INTERNAL STAFF TO, TO DETERMINE A REVENUE PROJECTION THAT'S, UH, ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE ONE THAT WE WILL UTILIZE IN OUR, IN OUR BUDGET MOVING FORWARD. 
          UH, SO I'LL SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, AND THEN I'M GOING TO TRANSITION TO A CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF FERGUSON AND HIS TEAM AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THINKING AHEAD FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND THE RESOURCES THAT ARE NEEDED IN ORDER FOR US TO CONTINUE OUR STRONG SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UH, AND THEN TRANSITION. 
          UH, WE'LL HAVE SHERIFF CREE AND MAJOR EAST SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT THEIR FIVE YEAR PLAN AND RESOURCES THAT ARE FORECASTED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE SAFETY AND SECURITY IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UH, AND THEN I WANT TO ALLOW CLIFF HELLER AS OUR DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH US TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME ANALYSES THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BEHIND THE SCENES TO PREPARE FOR TODAY AND POTENTIAL DECISIONS THAT MAY COME FORWARD IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. 
          AND THEN ULTIMATELY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE BOARD ABOUT MAYBE SOME GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND WHAT DO WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH POTENTIALLY, MAYBE NOT THIS YEAR, BUT MAYBE NEXT YEAR AND LONG TERM, STARTING TO THINK LONG TERM, UH, ABOUT WHERE WE WANT TO GO, MAYBE FROM A TOTAL COMPENSATION STANDPOINT. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE SOME SHORT TERM CONVERSATIONS, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO SPEND SOME TIME THINKING LONG TERM AS WELL AS WE GO THROUGHOUT OUR, OUR EVENING TONIGHT. 
          SO STARTING FIRST WITH OUR REVENUE FORECAST. 
          AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO HAVE SOME BASELINE DATA, NOT ONLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD AND JUST AS A REMINDER, UH, BUT ALSO FOR OUR PUBLIC AS WELL. 
          AND SO THIS, THIS PIE CHART REFLECTS 
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OUR ENTIRE BUDGET, WHICH IS NOT JUST OUR OPERATING BUDGET, BUT ALSO INCLUDES FUNDS THAT ARE IN YOUR ASSIGNED AND YOU'RE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCES. 
          UH, AND SO ULTIMATELY THE TAKEAWAY FROM THIS GRAPHIC IS THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT PROVIDE, UM, THE FUNDS FOR US TO ACCOMPLISH OUR STRATEGIC GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UH, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE DOLLARS COME FROM GENERAL PROPERTY TAXES. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT IS 59% OF THE OVERALL POT, UH, WHICH IS $88 MILLION. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE ALSO, UH, SOME OF THOSE OTHER, OTHER CATEGORIES WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO DIVE IN ON SOME OF THOSE CATEGORIES, NOT ALL OF THOSE CATEGORIES BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A PROCESS AND WE'RE STILL EARLY IN THIS PROCESS. 
          AND SO, UH, WE, WE WILL TALK ABOUT SOME, BUT NOT ALL, AS I SAID. 
          SO IN ADDITION TO THE OVERALL POT, REALLY THE, THE GREATEST FOCUS, UH, TYPICALLY IN BUILDING BUDGETS IS ON THE OPERATING BUDGET OR ON THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET. 
          AND SO, UH, THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT, AND WE CALL THAT A GENERAL FUND. 
          AND JUST LIKE THE OVERALL BUDGET, UH, THIS IS LARGELY FUNDED BY GENERAL PROPERTY TAXES AT THE TUNE OF $76.4 MILLION. 
          AND THAT DISTRIBUTION'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE POT IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, UH, BUT ULTIMATELY 74% OR THREE QUARTERS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR REVENUE COMES DIRECTLY FROM GENERAL PROPERTY TAXES WITH OTHER LOCAL TAXES, STATE AID, AND SOME OTHER RESOURCES THERE THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THAT GRAPH. 
          UM, SO GIVEN THAT THAT'S THE LARGEST SLICE OF THE PIE AND GENERAL BUDGET, AS WELL AS THE OVERALL BUDGET, WE'RE GONNA SPEND A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME DIVING IN AND TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, ALSO JUST AS A REMINDER TO OUR PUBLIC AND, AND FOR ALL OF US WHO ARE WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IN ADDITION TO REAL ESTATE TAXES, WHICH IS 53 CENTS ON THE HUNDRED, UH, FOR ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES HERE IN GLAND COUNTY, WE ALSO HAVE THE A VALOREM TAXES, WHICH ARE FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT. 
          AND THAT'S 32 CENTS ON EACH $100 OF ASSESSED VALUE. 
          AND JUST AS A REMINDER FOR US, ALL THAT IS RESTRICTED, THAT IS TO PAY OFF THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT. 
          AND SO THAT IS REVENUE THAT COMES TO US, UH, BUT ULTIMATELY IS GOING TO A SPECIFIC SOURCE, AND THAT'S TO PAY THE TCSD DEBT. 
          PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES IS ALSO A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT GENERAL TAX BUDGET THAT I REFERENCED PREVIOUSLY, AND THAT INCLUDES VEHICLES, TRAILERS, MOBILE HOMES, MOTORCYCLES, BOATS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          UH, ANOTHER MAJOR REVENUE STREAM FOR US IS BUSINESS EQUIPMENT AND MACHINERY AND TOOLS, UM, AS WELL AS LOCAL AND STATE SALES TAX BUILDING PERMITS FROM COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AS, UH, AS REVENUE SOURCE, AS WELL AS INTEREST ON BANK DEPOSITS. 
          UH, AND IT'S PART OF OUR GENERAL, AS A PART OF OUR OVERALL ALL FUNDS BUDGET. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME ASSIGNED AND UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCES, AND SO, UH, THERE ARE, THERE IS INTEREST THAT THE COUNTY IS RECEIVING ON THOSE DOLLARS, AND THAT'S A REVENUE STREAM THAT WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TODAY. 
          UH, AND THEN ONE THAT I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME, SOME CLARITY ON IS THE DMV REIMBURSEMENT. 
          UH, YOU'VE HEARD ME PUBLICLY TALK ABOUT THE GREAT WORK OF OUR COMMISSIONER REVENUE TEAM AND THE FACT THAT THOSE LADIES, UM, HAVE PROVIDED EXCELLENT SERVICE TO NOT ONLY THE  COMMUNITY, BUT EVERYBODY THAT COMES HERE GET STUFF DONE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GET STUFF DONE. 
          UH, BUT THE, THE NUMBER OF TRANSACTIONS THAT THEY ARE DOING CERTAINLY IS SIGNIFICANT. 
          AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DO GET REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES FOR THAT WORK. 
          'CAUSE RATHER THAN SOMEONE DOING THAT AT THE DMV OFFICE, WE'RE DOING IT HERE ON THEIR BEHALF, AND THE STATE PAYS US FOR THAT. 
          UH, AND CERTAINLY THAT IMPACTS, UM, THE TRANSACTIONS AND, AND THE WORK THAT THEY DO. 
          SO, JUST, JUST PROUD OF THAT, BUT WANNA SPEND JUST A MOMENT TALKING ABOUT THAT LATER ON TODAY. 
          UH, SO AS I'VE STARTED TO UNPACK, YOU KNOW, CURRENT YEAR REVENUE AS WELL AS FORECASTING FUTURE YEAR REVENUE, UH, WE ALL KNOW MY BACKGROUND THAT'S COMING FROM THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 
          SO I KNOW PUBLIC SCHOOL BUDGETING INSIDE AND OUT UPSIDE AND DOWN, BUT, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THE CADENCE OF COLLECTIONS AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS, UH, IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I HAVE LEARNED A GREAT DEAL ABOUT. 
          AND SO I THINK IT WAS JUST IMPORTANT AS WE TALK ABOUT FORECASTING OUR FUTURE REVENUE, THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE CADENCE OF THE YEAR, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO REAL ESTATE, UH, TAXES AND THE, AND THE COLLECTION PROCESS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          AND JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, WE DO HAVE AN ASSESSOR. 
          WE HAVE AN ASSESSOR'S OFFICE. 
          WE HAVE SEVERAL STAFF WHO ASSESS NOT ONLY OUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, BUT OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AS WELL. 
          AND THE HEAVY LIFT REALLY IS DONE DURING THE MONTHS OF JULY THROUGH DECEMBER WHERE THEY'RE VISITING PROPERTIES, THEY'RE LOOKING AT SALES. 
          THERE'S A VARIETY OF VARIABLES AND FACTORS THAT THEY LOOK AT TO ENSURE THAT THOSE ASSESSMENTS ARE AS CLOSE TO MARKET VALUE AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO THAT WORK'S DONE REALLY FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          AND, UH, JUST LAST WEEK THEY MAILED OUT OUR NOTICES TO US WHO LIVE HERE IN GOLAND 
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COUNTY TO SAY, HERE IS WHAT YOUR ANNUAL ASSESSMENT IS, AND, UH, ULTIMATELY PROVIDING THAT NOTICE SO FOLKS KNOW. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE TAX BILLS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ASSESSED VALUE GO OUT IN LATE APRIL AND EARLY MAY. 
          AND ALL THAT IS BASED ON DECISIONS MADE BY THE BOARD SUPERVISORS WITH THE TAX RATE. 
          ULTIMATELY, THAT WILL BE SET. 
          UH, SO OUR FIRST COLLECTION OF TAX REVENUE, UM, BASED ON THE JANUARY NOTICE THAT WE ALL HAVE IN OUR MAILBOXES NOW WILL BE ON JUNE 5TH. 
          AND SO THOSE TAX BILLS WILL BE DUE, BUT THEY ARE AT, IS REVENUE THAT IS RECEIVED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO ASSESSMENT NOTICES IN JANUARY, WE HAVE THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR TO PREPARE FOR THAT. 
          THOSE TAX BILLS ARE DUE JUNE 5TH, BUT THAT REVENUE GOES INTO OUR CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND SO NEW FISCAL YEAR STARTS ON JULY ONE. 
          WE WON'T COLLECT TAXES AGAIN UNTIL DECEMBER 5TH. 
          SO THOSE TAX COLLECTIONS AND THAT REVENUE THAT WE RECEIVE ON DECEMBER 5TH IS BASED ON A JANUARY, 2026 ASSESSMENT. 
          UH, BUT IT GOES INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ASSESSMENTS BEING DONE ON THE CALENDAR YEAR, BUT COLLECTIONS DONE ON A FISCAL YEAR, AND THAT CREATES SOME CHALLENGES JUST FROM A, A FORECASTING STANDPOINT. 
          SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN IN JANUARY TRYING TO FORECAST OUR REVENUE WITH THIS SIGNIFICANT REVENUE STREAM 18 MONTHS AWAY WHEN WE KNOW THE ASSESSED VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY HERE IN JANUARY, 2026. 
          BUT WE DON'T KNOW IS WHAT THE JANUARY, 2027 ASSESSMENT IS GOING TO BE. 
          SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR US BECAUSE NONE OF US HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL. 
          WE HAVE DATA, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE MODELS THAT WE CAN UTILIZE, BUT THAT, THAT'S A CHALLENGE TRYING, TRYING TO FORECAST THAT. 
          SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT REVENUE STREAM. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT REVENUE STREAM IS PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S OUR MOTORCYCLES, CARTS, CARS, BOATS, TRUCKS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          SO ON JANUARY ONE, OUR COMMISSIONER REVENUES OFFICE DETERMINE THE VALUES OF THOSE PERSONAL PROPERTY ASSETS THAT ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY AS OF THAT DATE. 
          AND THEN AS THE BOARD MOVES FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS, YOU'LL EVENTUALLY SET THE TAX RATE FOR THAT PROPERTY, AND THEN TAX BILLS WILL BE SENT OUT IN THE SAME TIMEFRAME AS THE REAL ESTATE VALUE, WHICH IS, UH, IN APRIL AND MAY. 
          AND SO THAT COLLECTION IN JUNE 5TH, THE SAME DATE OF COLLECTION FOR REAL ESTATE PROPERTY, WE ONLY COLLECT PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          OKAY? SO THAT'S NOT THE FULL COLLECTION, THAT'S JUST A HALF YEAR COLLECTION OF PERSONAL PROPERTY ONLY MOVE FORWARD SIX MONTHS. 
          THEN THAT'S WHEN WE'RE COLLECTING TAXES FOR NOT ONLY THAT PERSONAL PROPERTY, BUT ALSO BUSINESS EQUIPMENT, MACHINERY AND TOOLS AND PUBLIC SERVICE CORPORATION, WHICH WOULD BE LAKE, LAKE UTILITY KIND OF THINGS. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IN BUILDING BUDGETS IS RECOGNIZING THAT PERSONAL PROPERTY MOVES IN, MOVES OUT, VALUES INCREASE, VALUES DECREASE. 
          AND SO THOSE VALUES ARE UPDATED ON THE 15TH OF EVERY MONTH. 
          SO THERE'S A CONSTANT, CONSTANT CHURN OF VALUES IN AND OUT THAT REALLY, UM, IMPACTS OUR ABILITY TO FORECAST THIS REVENUE STREAM IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, SO AS WE WERE PREPARING FOR TONIGHT, WE STARTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CURRENT REVENUE FOR THE FY 26 BUDGET THE YEAR THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO, GIVEN THAT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT REVENUE STREAM, WE STARTED TO UNPACK, UH, HOW WE, HOW WE ARRIVED AT THIS NUMBER IN, IN YEARS PAST AS, AS COUNTY GOVERNMENT. 
          AND SO AS I STATED, UH, EACH JANUARY, THE ASSESSOR IDENTIFIES SOME VALUES. 
          AND SO I'VE LISTED THE JANUARY 24 VALUE ON HERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE VALUE THAT THE ASSESSOR, UH, WOULD'VE NOTED AT THAT TIME. 
          AND AND FINANCE DEPARTMENTS WOULD'VE UTILIZED THAT VALUE TO BUILD THE FY 25 BUDGET, THE ONE THAT WE JUST COMPLETED. 
          SO THIS TIME LAST YEAR, UH, THE ASSESSOR PROVIDED A VALUE OF $9.6 BILLION OF ASSESSED VALUE. 
          AND SO THAT VALUE THEORETICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN UTILIZED TO BUILD THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT WE'RE IN, UH, THE 2026 FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND SO THAT VALUE FROM JANUARY OF 24 TO JANUARY OF 25 INCREASED BY 11.4%. 
          UM, ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT WAS USED IN THE CURRENT YEAR CALCULATION WAS AN INCREASE EXPECTED GROWTH RATE OF 3%. 
          AND SO, UM, THE $2.8 BILLION FIGURE THAT YOU SEE THERE WAS ADDED TO THE JANUARY, 2025 VALUE, UH, TO GET, UH, AN ASSESSED VALUE FOR THE CURRENT BUDGET OF, UH, NEARLY $9.9 BILLION. 
          I THINK THERE WAS AN ASSUMPTION BUILT INTO THE MODEL THAT WAS GOING TO INCLUDE A 3% INCREASE. 
          UH, HOWEVER, WHEN THOSE VALUES WERE 
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ACTUALLY UTILIZED IN CALCULATIONS, IT ENDED UP BEING A, A, A LARGER NUMBER. 
          UM, SO, UH, THEORETICALLY WITH THE 3% INCREASE, UH, THAT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN UTILIZED IN BUILDING OUR COUNTY'S BUDGETS, YOU KNOW, THAT FIGURE WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, $8.8 BILLION. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, BUILDING OUR CURRENT BUDGET, UH, FIGURE WAS, WAS THAT FIGURE WAS DIFFERENT. 
          SO UTILIZING THE $9.890 BILLION FIGURE, YOU UTILIZE THAT RATE AT 53 CENTS ON THE HUNDRED. 
          AND SO, UH, THIS TIME LAST YEAR, THE ESTIMATED TAX REVENUE, UH, WAS $52.4 MILLION. 
          AND SO OUR CURRENT BUDGET RIGHT NOW IS SET ON $52.4 MILLION. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN ANALYZING IS TRYING TO REALLY SHARPEN OUR PENCIL AND, AND, AND IDENTIFY PROCESSES AND HOW WE WANT TO BUILD BUDGETS TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, AND SO KNOWING THAT COLLECTIONS ARE, ARE DONE TWICE A YEAR AND YOU'RE CROSSING CALENDAR YEARS, UH, WE RAN A PROJECTION BASED ON OUR APPROVED BUDGET AND THE COLLECTIONS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED TODAY THROUGH 1231. 
          SO SIX MONTHS INTO THE FISCAL YEAR, WE HAVE COLLECTED $23.8 MILLION IN REAL ESTATE REVENUE. 
          UH, AND THEN WE FORECASTED BASED ON PROJECTIONS, WHAT WE EXPECT TO GET IN THE SECOND HALF OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE COLLECTED ON JUNE 5TH. 
          AND WHILE WE'RE FORECASTING SLIGHTLY UNDER $27 MILLION IN, IN REVENUE THERE. 
          SO BASED ON THESE PROJECTIONS, WE'RE EXPECTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO END THIS YEAR AT $50.8 MILLION IN REVENUE, UH, WHICH GIVEN SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE PAST, CREATES A DELTA FOR US TO BE AWARE OF AS WE, UH, AS WE MANAGE OUR, OUR CURRENT YEARS BUDGET AND THEN FORECAST FOR NEXT YEAR AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S IN THE PAST, UH, WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD HERE AND, AND CERTAINLY DISCUSS PROCESSES AS WE CREATE OUR, OUR, OUR METHODOLOGY MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO I DON'T WANNA STEER MARY ANN THUNDER BECAUSE ULTIMATELY SHE'S GONNA PRESENT TO YOU ALL ON FEBRUARY 3RD WITH A LOT OF A LOT OF DETAIL. 
          UH, BUT THIS HISTORICAL GRAPH SHOWS OVER TIME THE ASSESSED VALUE OF PROPERTY IN GLAND COUNTY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. 
          AND AGAIN, WE DO THIS EVERY JANUARY PRIOR TO THOSE NOTICES GOING OUT BASED ON HER ASSESSMENTS AND THE WORK OF HER TEAM. 
          UH, THE CURRENT ASSESSED VALUE IN GLAND COUNTY IS $10.3 BILLION, AND THAT'S A HISTORICAL INCREASE OVER TIME. 
          UM, SO THAT IS, UH, THAT IS 8% HIGHER THAN THE PROJECTIONS THAT SHE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE IN NOVEMBER OF 2025. 
          OR, UM, I'M SORRY, THE JANUARY 26 IS 8% HIGHER THAN IT WAS IN JANUARY, 2025. 
          UH, STAFF WAS FORECASTING A 5% INCREASE IN NOVEMBER OF 2025, JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AGO. 
          UH, BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, IT IS, IT IS AN 8% YEAR OVER YEAR INCREASE. 
          AND SO THERE ARE A VARIETY OF FACTORS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD GO INTO THAT, INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND, AND THE MARKET AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST BASIC ECONOMIC VARIABLES. 
          UM, AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, OF COURSE, NONE OF US HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT OUR ASSESSOR'S TEAM IS FORECASTING THAT ONE YEAR FROM NOW, WE MAY ASSUME AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE OF EITHER FOUR OR 5%, 25 TO 26 WENT UP 8%, 26 TO 27, MAYBE FOUR OR 5%. 
          SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A FORECAST FOR A POTENTIAL SLOWDOWN AND ASSESSED VALUES, UH, BUT AGAIN, NONE OF US KNOW HAS A CRYSTAL BALL. 
          UH, SO BASED ON THAT 4% INCREASE THAT WE'RE FORECASTING FOR NEXT YEAR, UM, WE WANTED TO RUN A, A MATRIX TO DETERMINE WHAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY FORECAST FOR REVENUE NEXT YEAR. 
          AND SO THIS NUMBER THAT YOU SEE IN THE TOP LEFT, 10 BI $10.3 BILLION IS CURRENTLY ASSESSED VALUE, UH, AS WE SIT HERE TODAY IN JANUARY OF 2026. 
          AND SO IF YOU TAKE THAT VALUE AND YOU DIVIDE IT BY A HUNDRED AND MULTIPLY IT BY 0.53, THE FIGURE IS $54.9 MILLION. 
          SO AS WE'RE BUILDING THIS BUDGET, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING INTERNALLY IS WHETHER WE WANT TO ACCOUNT FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THOSE COLLECTIONS, OR WOULD WE WANT TO ACCOUNT FOR A PERCENT THAT IS LESS. 
          WHEN I BUILT BUDGETS IN THE PAST, FOR EXAMPLE, STATE SALES TAX REVENUE, I NEVER, I NEVER FORECASTED A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT REVENUE SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE ARE ECONOMIC VARIABLES THAT MAY GET IN THE WAY. 
          SO I, I ATTRIBUTED JUST FOR CONVERSATION AN INDEX OF 97%, AND THAT COULD ACCOUNT FOR, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ALL OF THE MONEY BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC VARIABLES, OR THERE MAY BE, YOU 
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KNOW, SOMETHING IN THERE THAT ISN'T IN AN UNKNOWN. 
          SO TOOK THE 54.9 AND APPLIED 97% AND CAME UP WITH A FIGURE OF $26.667 MILLION. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE DECEMBER COLLECTION THAT WE WOULD EXPECT IN A NEW FISCAL YEAR BASED ON TODAY'S ASSESSED VALUES. 
          SO THEN FORECASTING AS OUR ASSESSOR SAID, WELL, YOU CAN POTENTIALLY EXPECT A 4% INCREASE NEXT YEAR, TOOK THAT $10.3 BILLION AND MULTIPLY IT BY 1.04 AND CAME UP WITH SLIGHTLY UNDER $10.8 BILLION, AGAIN, DIVIDED BY A HUNDRED AND MULTIPLIED IT BY 0.53 97% INDEX. 
          AND THAT WAS, UH, $27.7 MILLION OF EXPECTED REVENUE THAT WE WOULD GET AT THE JUNE 5TH, 2027 COLLECTION. 
          SO IF YOU ADD THE DECEMBER AND THE JUNE TOGETHER, THAT WOULD BE AN ESTIMATED REVENUE OF $54.4 MILLION. 
          SO AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HIGH LEVEL EARLY PROJECTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR THIS SIGNIFICANT REVENUE STREAM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN TENSOR RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT WANTED TO PAUSE THERE FOR A SECOND AND SEE WHAT QUESTIONS BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THROWING A LOT OF NUMBERS. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT, WHAT MAY BE ONLY MONTHS. 
          I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THE, UH, I MEAN WE DO KNOW NOW IT'S 10, 10 BILLION, 300 MILLION. 
          WE'VE GOT THE ASSESSMENTS IN YES, THIS IS THE JANUARY, 2026 ASSESSMENT. 
          SO THIS IS HOT AND FRESH. 
          THIS IS, THAT'S AN ACTUAL, THIS IS THE ACTUAL NUMBER RIGHT NOW. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YES. 
          UM, TWO, UH, ONE SORT OF STATEMENT THAT I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO, UH, VERIFY FOR ME, BUT THEN ONE QUESTION. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ASSESSMENTS, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASE IN SOMEBODY'S CURRENT HOME VALUE, WE'RE ALSO AT, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT NEW PRODUCT ON THE MARKET, RIGHT? SO NOT JUST THAT MY HOUSE WENT UP 5% THIS YEAR, BUT THAT A $600,000 HOUSE, WE GOT A, UH, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          SO THAT ADDS THE BOOK. 
          SO THAT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN ASSESSMENTS? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH, THEY LOOK AT THE MARKET, THEY LOOK AT SURROUNDING SALES AROUND A PIECE OF PROPERTY, NEW CONSTRUCTION, THOSE KIND OF FACTORS GO INTO THAT, THAT OVERALL VALUATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN DR. 
          ELLIOT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TAXABLE VALUE, UM, WITH THE TUCKO CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT, THIS IS WHERE I'M ASKING FOR THE REMINDER. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THAT 55% OF CERTAIN TAXES GO BACK, DON'T GET DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, CORRECT? DO THEY, DID THEY WIND UP IN THIS 10.3? NO, THOSE, THE, THE, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THE TUCK HILL CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT ARE INCLUDED IN HERE AND ARE TAXED AT A RATE OF 53 CENTS. 
          THOSE PROPERTIES ARE PULLED OUT AND TAX AT A RATE OF 32 CENTS, THEY GO DIRECTLY TO TCSD. 
          THIS REVENUE, IN ADDITION TO OTHER REVENUE STREAMS GO INTO THE TOTAL REVENUE IN, IN 50 55%. 
          YES, MR. SAUER DOES GO TO HELP PAY OFF THAT, THAT PCSD DEBT. 
          SO THAT'S NOT, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, IS THAT PERCENTAGE THAT GOES TOWARDS THE TCSD THAT'S NOT GOING TO THE REST OF THE COUNTY, DOES THAT SHOW UP IN HERE, MR. LYLE'S SHAKING HIS, I GUESS IT IT IS, YES, AS FAR AS PART OF THE 10 BILLION IS TOTAL REAL ESTATE, BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF THAT 10 BILLION, WHICH IS GOING TO GO DEDICATED TO TCSD. 
          AND MY QUESTION AS A FOLLOW UP IS HOW MUCH OF THAT 10 BILLION IS ALREADY SPOKEN FOR BECAUSE OF ITS COMMITMENT? THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE 10 BILLION FOR THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE WE'VE MADE A COMMITMENT THAT I JUST GOT DYSLEXIC, 45, 50 5% OF IT IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS TCSD SERVICE AND IT HAS BEEN FOR DECADES. 
          YES. 
          SO, SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS HOW MUCH OF THAT 10 IS TCSD DISTRICT AND PROPERTIES? AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S SOME OF OUR DELTA. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, GOSH, WRONG BUTTON. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE FORECASTING IS OUT OF THIS WRONG BUTTON, OUT OF THE $54.4 MILLION, WE'RE ASSUMING A $4 MILLION PAYMENT TO TCSD TO HELP OFFSET FROM REAL ESTATE, NOT TCSD, ABNORMAL FROM REAL ESTATE, NOT TCSD ABNORMAL. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THAT BRINGS US TO COMING AROUND AND SAY 50 MILLION FOR THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO YEAH, I I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY REALLY EXPLAINING IT BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT CITIZENS UNDERSTAND IT. 
          UM, 
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BASICALLY THE COUNTY IS FORKING OVER 55% OF THE NORMAL 53 CENT REAL ESTATE TAXES. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S COLLECTED ON THE PROPERTIES IN THE TCSD CORRECT. 
          SERVICE. 
          SO IN ADDITION TO KEEP THE, THE TCSD KEEPS ALL OF THE VALOREM TAX CORRECT. 
          PLUS THE COUNTY GIVES 'EM 55% OF THE 53 CENTS PER A HUNDRED THAT THEY COLLECT. 
          AND WE CAN, WE KEEP 45% FOR GENERAL SERVICES. 
          SO, SO THE COUNTY IS CONTRIBUTING THE, THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS? WELL, WE'RE NOT BENEFITING AS MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN WE GIVE, WE, WE'RE NOT KEEPING THE FULL 53 CENTS CORRECT. 
          AS WE ARE FOR THE PEOPLE IN REST THE COUNTY. 
          BUT AS WE'RE BUDGETING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE USING THE RIGHT NUMBER THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT ISN'T CONTRIBUTED TO THAT. 
          SO IS IT, SO IS THAT FIGURE IN A DIFFERENT FUND OR I'M LOOKING AT DAVID, I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU WANNA PHONE A FRIEND DR. 
          IT IS TREATED SEPARATELY. 
          I MEAN, BASED ON WHAT WAS SAID PREVIOUSLY, THIS TRANSACTIONS IS SEPARATE. 
          WE SO DO TRACKS THE REVENUE IN DUE TO 55%. 
          IT COMES OUT OF THE REVENUE OF THE GENERAL FUND. 
          IT'S A NEGATIVE COMING OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S TAKEN BEFORE WE BUDGET OR AFTER WE BUDGET, AFTER, AFTER COULD, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY FOR AND WHEN, YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW MR. WINFREY'S CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT 55% AND 45%. 
          YEAH, I'M PROBABLY CONFUSED TO SAY NO, YOU I'M SORRY, DIDN'T, YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE MEMBERS WHO MIGHT NOT KNOW, THAT'S NOT A POLICY DECISION BY THIS BOARD THAT WAS PLEDGED BY THE BOND DOCUMENTS BACK IN 2002 IN ORDER TO GET THE BONDS RIGHT. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S NOT A, LIKE, OH, WE COULD CHANGE THAT TODAY. 
          NO, THAT IS A PLEDGE OF REVENUE TO SUPPORT THE BONDS THAT WERE ISSUED. 
          SO, AND HERE WE PAY THE BONDS OFF THE EARLIER ALL OF THOSE TCSD REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUES BECOME AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU TURN THAT AROUND AND LOOK AT A DIFFERENT WAY, THE CITIZENS IN THE TUCKAHOE SERVICE DISTRICT ARE ONLY TAKING UP 45% OF THEIR WEIGHT AND THE GENERAL'S RUNNING OF THIS COUNTY BECAUSE REST OF IT IS GOING TO YES. 
          PAY OFF THE BONDS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR 53 CENTS PER A HUNDRED CORRECT. 
          IS GOING TO PAY SALARIES AND FIRE TRUCKS AND CORRECT POLICE CRUISERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WHERE THEY'RE ONLY CONTRIBUTING 45% OF THEIR REVENUE, THEIR PORTION TOWARDS IT. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WRONG, I'M JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE OUR UNDERSTANDING SO EVERYBODY DOES UNDERSTAND IT. 
          I'M, I'M NOT TAKING EXCEPTION WITH IT AT ALL OR BLAMING ANYBODY FOR RIGHT. 
          NO, I'M NOT, NOT CARRYING THEIR WEIGHT OR ANYTHING. 
          NO, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA HAS BEEN GOOD FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY. 
          THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. 
          POTENTIAL FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SO FORTH. 
          SO EVENTUALLY WE ALL BENEFIT. 
          AND MS. MCG, I JUST WANT TO, I'M GONNA SIMPLIFY THIS, BUT I THINK IT'S SUPER LOVE UNDERSTANDING LITTLE  IS THE, WE GET ASKED THE QUESTION, WHY CAN'T WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE ADOR TAXES AND CHANGE IT ON SPECIFIC CASE SITUATIONS, BUT WHEN IT GOES INTO AN INDENTURE, THE LIFE OF THAT INDENTURE, BECAUSE BONDS ARE SOLD TO INSTITUTIONS, THEY'RE SOLD TO OTHER, UH, PLACES OUTSIDE OF GLAND COUNTY, WE CAN'T GO CHANGING ANY OF THOSE RULES. 
          THEY ARE IN A CONTRACT AS, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER BOND. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT, WHILE IT CAN BE FRUSTRATING, AND I KNOW IT IS A POINT OF FRUSTRATION FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, THIS GOES BACK 20 YEARS. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS A BOND ISSUANCE THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T UNLOCK, WE CAN'T AMEND, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR REASON TO WANT TO PAY IT DOWN SOONER THAN LATER. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEP. 
          SO, AS A FOLLOW UP TO MR. SPOONER'S QUESTION, THE AMOUNT OF ASSESSED VALUE IN THE TUCKAHOE CREEK SERVICE DISTRICT TAXED AT BOTH 53 CENTS AND 32 CENTS ON THE HUNDRED, UM, IS $3.238 BILLION. 
          IT'S 3 BILLION, $238,059,000, WHICH IS ALSO TAXED AT 32 CENTS 100. 
          AND OF THAT DR. 
          RALEY, IS THERE A PORTION THAT IT GETS THE 55 45 SPLIT, OR DOES EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THERE GET THE 55 45 SPLIT? I THINK KEN LOCK HAS A CARVE. 
          YEAH, I, I WOULD NEED TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THAT. 
          MY, MY RECOLLECTION, WHICH COULD BE AN ERROR, WAS THAT IT WAS ANYTHING NEW COMMERCIAL 
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AS WELL AS THE KINLOCK THAT HAD NOT BEEN YET BUILT. 
          I THINK THAT IS THE CASE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO BOARD MEMBERS, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS AN EARLY NUMBER, UH, BASED ON THE METHODOLOGY DESCRIBED AND, UH, CURRENT VALUES COUNTYWIDE AS OF NOW. 
          UH, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS FOR CONSIDERATION AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS IS FORECASTING POTENTIALLY PROJECTS THAT MAY BE COMING ONLINE IN THE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR, WHICH MAY BE ON OUR TAX ROLLS IN THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE IN THE 2026 CALENDAR YEAR, 20 2027 CALENDAR YEAR ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT PREVIOUS NUMBER. 
          UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A C CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND NOTHING IS FINAL UNTIL IT'S FINAL. 
          SO, UM, THIS EARLY IN THE PROCESS, WE DID NOT CHOOSE TO INCLUDE THOSE IN THOSE FORECASTS. 
          HOWEVER, THAT WOULD BE A LEVER THAT POTENTIALLY WE COULD ADJUST AS WE GO THROUGH OUR ULTIMATE REVENUE PROJECTIONS. 
          DO WE WANT TO INCLUDE AMAZON AND AXIAL AND SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS, SOME WITH MORE VALUE THAN OTHERS? UH, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US, US TO DISCUSS IN THE COMING MONTHS. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR, FOR ALL OF US TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DON'T COME ON OUR TAX ROLLS UNTIL WE GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          SO ALTHOUGH WE SEE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS HAPPENING, NOTHING IS FINAL UNTIL IT'S FINAL. 
          THE ONLY GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. 
          UH, IS IF YOU COULD REFINE THAT A LITTLE BIT AND TRY TO GET A HANDLE ON WHEN THOSE THINGS WILL BE COMPLETE, I KNOW THAT'S HIGH IN THE SKY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S EASIER TO SAY THAN DONE. 
          AND THEN WHAT THE BENEFIT, WHAT THE REVENUE WOULD BE LIKELY REVENUE, IF YOU, YOU COULD BALLPARK THAT IT MAY HELP IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS. 
          YEAH, I, YOU PROBABLY ALREADY DONE THIS. 
          SO WE, WE, WE, WE, I HAVE INFORMALLY I WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND SHARPEN MY PENCIL. 
          I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS WHEN WOULD WE GET CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY? IS IT NEXT MAY? IS IT THIS COMING JULY? UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE VALUE OF A SHELL BUILDING WITH NOTHING IN IT VERSUS THE VALUE OF, OF STUFF WITHIN IT. 
          THAT WOULD BE MOSTLY A CHALLENGE WITH ASHLAND ROAD AXIAL, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THERE'S STUFF IN THERE, THEN IT'S THE SHELL BUILDING. 
          AND SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONABLE REQUEST. 
          CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY CAN, CAN, CAN DO THAT. 
          I'VE DONE SOME THINGS INFORMALLY. 
          I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE AGAIN WITH THE TEAM. 
          BUT VALID, MY INITIAL THOUGHTS WOULD BE THAT WE TREAT IT LIKE IT IS, WE'RE NOT INCLUDING IT. 
          HOWEVER, AS WE'RE CREATING THE BUDGET, WE COME UP WITH A PRIORITIZED LIST OF IF REVENUES DO EXCEED BECAUSE THESE THINGS COME ONLINE, WHAT ARE, WHAT DO WE PRIORITIZE THESE, THESE MONIES TO GO TOWARDS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I AGREE WITH THAT, THAT, THAT WAS MY, UH, LOGIC AS WELL. 
          NEIL, I JUST, I'M GLAD YOU CAME UP WITH A, THE IDEA OF PRIORITIZING THE LIST. 
          AND DOUG, REALLY JUST, IF YOU CAN CONFIRM, I THINK THE FIRST TWO BULLETS ALONE ARE APPROXIMATELY 400 MILLION IN ASSET VALUE ASSESSED, VALUE PROJECTED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE SCALE, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, 400 MILLION WOULD BE OVER $2 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE. 
          SOME OF THAT'S ALREADY ASSESSED. 
          I MEAN, THAT PROPERTY IS NOT ZERO ASSESSED. 
          WE'RE ALREADY GETTING REVENUE OFF OF WHATEVER'S BEING BUILT ON NATIONAL REVENUE, JUST NOT AT THAT HIGHER LEVEL HUNDRED LEVEL. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, SO SOME OF THAT'S INCREMENTAL. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A LIFT, BUT YEAH, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING FROM ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, GREAT. 
          BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR AHEAD, SURE. 
          I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          THE 97% COLLECTIONS RATE, HOW WOULD THAT SHOW UP TO THE TAXPAYER? WOULD THAT SHOW UP AS WE'RE ONLY ASSESSING AT 97% OF THE VALUE, WE'RE ONLY BUDGETING? WHAT, HOW, HOW WOULD THAT SHOW UP? YEAH, THAT INDEX IS SIMPLY JUST AN INTERNAL CALCULATION WITH AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE WOULD NOT COLLECT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT VALUE, UH, AS WRITTEN. 
          NOW, IT WOULD SHOW UP AS A FULL TAX BILL TO THE TAXPAYERS, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE US NOT ACCOUNTING FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT REVENUE IN OUR CALCULATIONS. 
          SOME PEOPLE DON'T PAY THEIR TAXES BUSINESS, IT'S ALSO, IT'S ALSO A BUFFER. 
          IS THAT IT WOULD BE, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A BUFFER. 
          I JUST HISTORICALLY, HAVEN'T WE BEEN CLOSER TO 98 POINT SOMETHING, SOMETHING? UH, ONE COLLECTION IS 97, ONE'S 98, RIGHT DAVE? INSTANTANEOUSLY IT'S ABOUT 96%. 
          96. 
          LONG TERM. 
          IT'S BETWEEN NINE, 
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SIX AND NINE EIGHT. 
          WE CHOSE NINE SIX. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, SO ONE MORE THING, DR. 
          SURE. 
          YES SIR. 
          THE, THE TREASURER AND THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE, THEY DO A GREAT JOB IN, IN GOING AFTER THOSE TAXES AND NOT PAID THROUGH VIRGINIA SETTLE FEES. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PROCESS, A LOT OF ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES TO GO OUT AND GET THAT MONEY. 
          IT IS, IT'S, IT'S , BUT AT 98%, 96%, INITIALLY 98% WHEN YOU HAD 'EM, 97 FACTOR THAT, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD RATE GIVEN OTHER COUNTIES IN THE STATE. 
          WHAT WERE YOU SEEING AT YOUR, MY BANK? SURE, PLEASE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT WERE YOU SEEING AT, THIS ISN'T YOUR FIRST RODEO. 
          WHERE DO YOU WANT ME? ALRIGHT, THERE'S THE HOT SEAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THE GROWNUPS,  LEARNED TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT. 
          , SORRY, I KNOW YOU'VE COME FROM OTHER COUNTIES. 
          WERE THEY HITTING 98 OR BELOW THAT? I I WOULD SAY LONG TERM IT'S, IT'S AT THE 97. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU HAVE SOME YEARS. 
          MOST PEOPLE PAY THEIR TAXES. 
          WELL, IN GOOD YEARS YOU'LL GO 101, YOU'LL GO BACK AND GET MORE AH, THAN THE CURRENT BILLING BECAUSE OF, UH, COLLECTION ACTIVITY. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU'LL GET SOME BACK. 
          WE COLLECT, WE REPORT OLD TAX PAYMENTS COMPLETELY SEPARATE, BUT TREASURY AND, UH, COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE TRACKED THE RECEIPTS JUDICIOUSLY. 
          SO THIS IS 90, 98, 99 IS VERY, VERY GOOD. 
          MY FIRST REACTION TO THAT WAS THAT IT WAS A SMIDGEN OF CONSERVATISM, WHICH I'M FOR. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M, I'M FOR THAT BEING CONSERVATIVE RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, MAXIMUM MAXIMIZING EVERYTHING AND MINIMIZING OTHER STUFF. 
          TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT INDEX OR RIGHT. 
          WHATEVER FIGURE YOU WANT TO USE. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS I DID BOARD MEMBERS IS USING THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH THE 97%, LET'S CALL IT AN INDEX FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT OUR CURRENT APPROVED BUDGET, WHAT WE'VE COLLECTED TODAY, FORECASTED REVENUE FOR THE REST OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, AND THEN LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL FY 2027 BUDGET AT 54.4, IF PREVIOUS BUDGETS WOULD'VE UTILIZED THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED, CURRENT BUDGET WOULD BE AT 50.36, $6 MILLION MORE FORECASTING $50.8 MILLION. 
          SO WE THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH SPOT ON. 
          WE COMING IN 500 GRAND OVER REVENUE. 
          SO NOT TOO MUCH, NOT TOO LITTLE COMING IN OVER REVENUE. 
          I THINK THAT THAT WOULD, SO WE JUST RAN A, AN ANALYSIS TO SAY, HEY, IS OUR METHODOLOGY EVEN MAKING SENSE? AND BASED ON AT LEAST ONE YEAR OF ASSESSMENT OF OF ANALYSIS, IT WAS PRETTY SPOT ON. 
          MAY, MAY, I I JUST, AND, AND, AND I I RECALL YOUR PREDECESSOR STANDING, UH, WITH HIS PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND SAYING, THIS IS NOT A BALANCED BUDGET. 
          IT SHOWS A SURPLUS MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND, UM, BUT NOW WE'RE SEEING THAT NOT ONLY DID WE NOT HAVE A SURPLUS, BUT WE MAY HAVE A BIT OF A, YOU KNOW, MOVE FUNDS AROUND. 
          IT'S A DEFICIT. 
          IT'S NOT, NOT COMPUTER AROUND THE BUSH. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW, HOW WAS, HAVE WE GOT A FORENSICS AS TO WHERE HE WAS SAYING IT'S NOT BALANCED, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS 3% OVERAGE TO WE'RE NOT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE HAVE MR. LYLE. 
          AND SO ULTIMATELY I THINK THE ASSUMPTIONS MADE BY OTHERS IN THE PAST WERE THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A 3% GROWTH RATE IN THE ASSESSED VALUE FROM 2024 TO 2025. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY THE CALCULATIONS OF THE PAST INCLUDED A 14.71% INCREASE. 
          SO THIS 9.8 NUMBER HERE, THE, THE, THE UTILIZATION OF THIS NUMBER RESULTED IN AN OVER REVENUE ESTIMATE THAT WE ARE NOW WORKING THROUGH, WHICH HAS CAUSED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CURRENT PROCESS. 
          SO IT WAS A MISCALCULATED INCREASE IN ASSESSMENTS, BECAUSE I REMEMBER YOUR PREDECESSOR SAYING THAT IT WAS A, HE USED AND HE USED THE WORD CONSERVATIVE, 3% INCREASE IN IN REVENUES. 
          I, YEAH, WE, WE'VE GONE BACK AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THE WORK PAPERS USED IN THE PAST. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND THERE WAS 3%, THERE WAS 3% ADDED TO AN ALREADY 11.4% INCREASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          SO IT WAS NOT A 3% YEAR OVER YEAR INCREASE. 
          WE, WE'VE, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO TRACK PAST DOCUMENTS AND FOLLOW THE MATH. 
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UH, OKAY. 
          SO, UH, SOME OTHER, OTHER REVENUE STREAMS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT REAL ESTATE REVENUE QUITE, QUITE A BIT. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS AS WE'VE BEEN DETERMINING HOW WE FEEL WE'RE GOING TO END THIS FISCAL YEAR IS GETTING A HANDLE ON PERSONAL PROPERTY AND, AND BUSINESS EQUIPMENT. 
          AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS IT, YOU MAY BE TEMPTED TO TAKE WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED PARTWAY THROUGH THE YEAR AND MULTIPLY IT BY TWO, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE PARTWAY THROUGH THE YEAR, YOU HAVE NOT ONLY PERSONAL PROPERTY, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE BUSINESS EQUIPMENT. 
          SO IF YOU TAKE A NUMBER THAT INCLUDES A ONE-TIME COLLECTION AND THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME, SOME NUMBERS THAT DON'T MATCH. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE STILL KIND OF TRYING TO HONE IN ON WHAT WE EXPECT FOR THE REST OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          JENNIFER AND OUR TEAM, JENNIFER AND BRIDGET, HAD BEEN AWESOME. 
          UH, BUT KNOWING ALL THE INS AND OUTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS IS STILL NOT READY TO FORECAST THE REST OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          BUT WE ARE FORECASTING, UM, APPROXIMATELY 20 MILLION MILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY UNDER OUR CURRENT BUDGET. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO REIGN IN ON THAT, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY A SIGNIFICANT REVENUE STREAM THAT WE NEED TO GET A GOOD HANDLE ON. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          UH, MACHINERY AND TOOLS, CURRENT BUDGET, 650 GRAND, WE'RE FORECASTING A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE THERE, UH, APPROXIMATELY, YOU KNOW, 24, 20 $5,000 AN INCREASE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR. MR. WILSON AND I DID IS WE, WE TOOK A LOOK AT PAST RECEIPTS, CURRENT RECEIPTS, WE RAN TREND LINES. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE AT 6 70, 6 53 WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE BALLPARK THERE, FORECASTING A LITTLE BIT OF GROWTH IN THAT. 
          UM, AND SO LOCAL AND STATE SALES TAX IS ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT REVENUE STREAM. 
          IF YOU TAKE CURRENT RECEIPTS TIMES TWO, THEORETICALLY WE CAN GET $6.8 MILLION IN RECEIPTS THERE. 
          CURRENT BUDGET'S AT 5.7, WE'VE BEEN STREAMING 5.56075. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, BUDGET OF 6.2 DOES SHOW A POSITIVE TRAJECTORY, BUT NOT A SIGNIFICANT AND REALLY STEEP CURVE. 
          WE ULTIMATELY DON'T KNOW ECONOMICALLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          ECONOMY COULD SLOW DOWN, WE COULD GET LESS STATE SALES AND LOCAL SALES TAXES. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S A NUMBER THAT WE'RE USING EARLY IN THE PROCESS. 
          UH, BUILDING PERMITS IS ONE THAT I WANNA PAUSE ON FOR A SECOND BECAUSE WE, WE DISCUSSED THIS A LOT INTERNALLY TO GET READY FOR TODAY. 
          UH, SO BACK IN 24, 1 0.4 BILLION DO $1.4 MILLION IN BUILDING PERMITS. 
          WE DID HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE LAST FISCAL YEAR AND THAT WAS LARGELY DUE TO THE AMAZON BUILDING PERMIT. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID IS WE WERE FORECASTING NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IS WE TOOK THE AMAZON BUILDING PERMIT REVENUE OUT AND WE LOOKED AT THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF ACTUAL RECEIPTS AND BUILDING PERMITS AND CAME TO A $1.9 MILLION TO GET US STARTED IN THE PROCESS. 
          THAT'S AN EARLY INDICATOR. 
          DR. 
          LEY. 
          YES. 
          BEFORE YOU, UH, MOVE FROM THIS SLIDE, WE KNOW WHY THE MACHINE AND TOOLS DROPPED FROM TWENTY FOUR, TWENTY FIVE, TWENTY SIX. 
          WANT A PHONE A FRIEND, AND I SEE JENNIFER HERE, SO JENNIFER, YOU CAN HELP ME OUT. 
          THE EQUIPMENT THAT MACHINERY TOOLS IS ON A SLIDING SCALE PERCENTAGE. 
          SO WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT, IT WOULD BE THAT THE EQUIPMENT SLIPPED TO THE NEXT AND DEPRECIATED DEPRECIATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I CAN LOOK INTO IT AND GIVE YOU A POSITIVE ANSWER, BUT WE STILL HAVE THE SAME NUMBER, WE STILL HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS, THE SAME PEOPLE FILING. 
          THAT, THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN. 
          I WAS WONDERING, ARE WE LOSING INDUSTRY OR, OKAY. 
          NO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANK YOU JENNIFER. 
          AND, AND DR. BAILEY, PLEASE. 
          THESE FUNDS DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO TCSD DEBT SERVICE, GENERAL FUND REVENUE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL, ALL, ALL DOLLARS, EVERY DOLLAR. 
          NO. 
          SOME THINGS IN WEST CREEK, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE TCSD, WE'RE STILL KEEPING MACHINERY, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          ALL, ALL THE SALES TAX THAT SUNSET GRILL IS COMING TO US. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          CORRECT? YES. 
          WHICH ALSO IS IMPORTANT, I BELIEVE, FOR INCENTIVES THAT WE'VE OFFERED. 
          CORRECT. 
          ALSO, DEPENDING ON WHEN AMAZON COMES ON, TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MACHINERY, TOOLS, REVENUE THERE FROM WHAT THEY CORRECT. 
          PUT INSIDE THAT BUILDING. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S COMING OR ESTIMATES WERE DONE LONG AGO, BUT WOULD NEED TO BE REVISED AND THOSE MODELS UPDATED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT YEAH, WE'RE NOT COUNTING FOR THAT IN ANY 
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OF THESE FIGURES. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, SOME OTHER VARIABLES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT REVENUE STREAMS, UH, INTEREST ON BANK DEPOSITS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT IN, IN THE INTRODUCTION. 
          AND, UM, WE, WE'VE REALLY WORKED HARD WITH, WITH MS. DUNCAN TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND MONTHLY, MONTHLY RECEIPTS. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO UNDERSTAND IN OUR OWN PERSONAL LIVES, INTEREST RATES ARE DROPPING A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO INCREASE THAT BUDGET, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, MADE A FEW WITH, OR ARE RECOMMENDING A FEW WITHDRAWALS FOR SOME OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. 
          UH, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WITHDRAW, YOUR BALANCE GOES DOWN A LITTLE BIT. 
          INTEREST RATES ARE DROPPING A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THE CURRENT CURRENT BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR POTENTIALLY, BUT THAT'S A VARIABLE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MONITOR OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. 
          DR. 
          LEY, WE, WE CHANGED, UH, FISCAL POLICY WHERE WE WERE SETTING HIGHER RETAINED EARNINGS, IF I CAN USE THAT PHRASE. 
          AND, AND SO IS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A 60, BUT MORE AT A 30 RANGE ON THAT, HOW MUCH OF A DECREASE HAS THAT HAD IN OUR BALANCES IN ERGO LESS INTEREST INCOME COMING IN? I DON'T THINK THAT POLICY DECISION HAS ANY IMPACT ON THE INTEREST THAT'S COMING IN. 
          I THINK IT'S THE, THE POLICY, THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE TO FUND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN WE DECIDE TO PULL SOME MONEY FROM CBTA OR PULL SOME MONEY FOR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OR OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD HAS DECIDED ON, IT REDUCES THAT OVERALL BALANCE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING INTEREST ON LESS MONEY AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THESE MOST RECENT DECISIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA GO BACK TO MR. WHERE YOU, YOU OPENED UP BY SAYING YOU DID NOT BELIEVE THAT POLICY DECISION HAS AFFECTED OUR INTEREST INCOME. 
          NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S NEGLIGIBLE. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST THE ACTUAL INTEREST RATES THEMSELVES. 
          I LIKE LOW INTEREST RATES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST A SHOUT OUT TO JENNIFER AND HER TEAM. 
          UH, THEY ARE, THEY'RE CRUSHING IT. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE BRINGING IN, UH, MOST RECENT ASSESSMENT I SAW OVER $60,000 WITH THE DECEMBER. 
          UH, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING REALLY EXCELLENT WORK. 
          AND SO JUST A SHOUT OUT TO THEM, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE WORK THAT THEY DO IN THE COMMISSIONER REVENUES OFFICE CONTRIBUTES TO OUR COUNTY'S OVERALL BOTTOM LINE. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT WORK IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE OVERALL REVENUE STREAM. 
          AND, AND I I WANNA PILE ON WITH THE, UH, COMPLIMENTS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT DMV EFFORT BASICALLY FUNDS THAT OFFICE. 
          IT, IT, IT PAYS FOR ITSELF AND THEN SOME. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          YES. 
          SO, UH, I LEARNED THAT PROBABLY THE FIRST WEEK THAT JENNIFER TOOK TIME TO EDUCATE ME  AS TO WHAT THEY WERE DOING THERE. 
          TELL I HEAR NOTHING BUT COMPLIMENTS. 
          THEY DO GREAT WORK. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU'VE GOT A CHOICE TO COME HERE OR GO TO BROAD STREET,  A NO BRAINER. 
          IT'S LIKE KUDOS, , IT'S THE BOARD MEMBERS. 
          THAT WAS A LOT OF REVENUE STUFF. 
          BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, STAYING HIGH LEVEL, THINKING ABOUT POTENTIAL EXPENSES FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CHRIS WANNA SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT SALARY, BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT IS THE SALARY IMPROVEMENT THAT WE RECOMMEND OR ABLE TO, TO FUND BASED ON OUR REVENUES FOR, FOR OUR EMPLOYEES? UM, DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT'S A FACTOR THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. 
          AND THEN ULTIMATELY, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE IMPACT OF HEALTH INSURANCE? AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE FORECASTING BETWEEN A 10 TO 15% INCREASE IN HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS. 
          UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF DATA REGARDING SUBSCRIPTION RATES. 
          CLIFF'S GONNA SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT OUR COMPETITIVE POSITION WITH OTHERS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS PLAN DESIGN IN OUR FUTURE OR DO WE ABSORB THE COST OF THE INCREASE AND, YOU KNOW, DECISION POINTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE DOWN THE ROAD? BUT I THINK THAT'S A FACTOR THAT WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT. 
          WE WILL KNOW MORE LATER ON THIS MONTH, EARLY FEBRUARY, MAYBE BY THE TIME I PRESENT TO YOU ON FEBRUARY 17TH ABOUT WHAT OUR ACTUAL INCREASE IS GOING TO BE. 
          JUST, IF I MAY THE WORD I'M GONNA MISPRONOUNCE IT, PROBABLY SUMM SUM, SUM SUMMATIVE. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT IS THE SUMMATIVE AND END OF THE YEAR EVALUATION? ALRIGHT. 
          UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS, AND SO I WROTE, WROTE THAT SPECIFICALLY BOARD MEMBERS, BECAUSE I AM REFERENCING SALARY IMPROVEMENT FOR EMPLOYEES WITH A SATISFACTORY END OF THE YEAR EVALUATION. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS IS I'VE BUILT BUDGETS IN THE PAST IS IF, YOU KNOW, IF AN EMPLOYEE DOES NOT REACH A SATISFACTORY EVALUATION AND THEY REMAIN ON THE SALARY SCALE AS ARE AS THEY ARE, BUT THIS WOULD BE SALARY INCREASE FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO ACHIEVE EITHER A THREE, FOUR, OR FIVE ON OUR CURRENT EVALUATION SYSTEM. 
          SATISFACTORY OR ABOVE, UH, YEAH. 
          FIVE POINT SCALE ON A FIVE POINT SCALE. 
          SO ALL, ALL OR NOTHING OR MORE OF A STEP INCREASE, UH, THAT WOULD BE A, THAT WOULD BE A POLICY DECISION THAT WE COULD WORK 
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THROUGH. 
          BUT, UM, I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF MAYBE A POTENTIAL CHANGE, BUT ULTIMATELY ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, I'M WORKING FROM MEMORY, BUT THERE WAS SOME, WE DID NOT SEE HEALTHCARE INCREASES IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          I SEEN THAT HERE OR RECALL A FLAT, MAYBE IF A CLIFF IS RAISING HIS HAND, I'M NOT RUNNING THE SHOW. 
          I CAN'T CALL ON THIS. 
          THERE'S NO INCREASE IN HEALTH, SIR, BY COST FOR REGISTER. 
          TELL ME THAT AGAIN PLEASE. 
          THERE WAS A ZERO INCREASE TO THE COST OF THE CAPITAL INSURANCE. 
          SO IF WE AVERAGE IT, WE'RE GONNA SEE 5% OF THE TWO YEARS BASED ON EXPERIENCE. 
          AND, UM, THIS IS NOT ATYPICAL TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND THE MUNICIPALITIES, JUST A MATTER OF HOW WE, HOW WE WORK THROUGH IT. 
          UH, I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE AGAIN, JUST HIGH LEVEL BOARD MEMBERS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS WITH OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS WHERE I ASKED THEM TO PRESENT THEIR NEEDS TO ME. 
          AND I'VE MET WITH EACH AND EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD AND HAVE ASKED THEM ABOUT THEIR PERSONNEL NEEDS OR NON-PERSONNEL NEEDS. 
          AND SO ULTIMATELY THROUGH THOSE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD 35 NEW FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE REQUESTS TO NEW PART-TIME EMPLOYEES. 
          UH, WE HAD MANY REQUESTS FOR INTERNAL ALIGNMENTS AS WELL AS PROMOTIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, EARNED A CREDENTIAL OR HAVE TAKEN ON ADDITIONAL JOB DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          UH, RATHER THAN DOING THOSE ADJUSTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, I'M REALLY WORKING HARD TO BUILD A STRUCTURE WHERE WE DO THOSE AND BUILD THOSE INTO THE BUDGET RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, A DEPARTMENT HEAD BRINGING ME A PAY INCREASE IN SEPTEMBER WHEN WE'VE ALREADY BUILT THE BUDGET. 
          WE HAVE TO ADJUST THE BUDGET. 
          SO TRYING, TRYING TO FORECAST THOSE AHEAD OF TIME IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING TO DO NOW, UM, YOU'VE HAD SOME OF THE OUTSIDE AGENCIES PRESENT TO YOU DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, AND SO THOSE AGENCIES ARE ASKING FOR NOT EVERY AGENCY, BUT SOME ARE ASKING FOR INCREASES AND THE TOTAL OF THAT IS $219,000 ABOVE CURRENT AS WELL AS NONS SALARY REQUESTS, WHICH ARE EVERYTHING FROM PURCHASE SERVICES TO EQUIPMENT, TO UNIFORMS TO SUPPLIES, OFFICE SUPPLIES. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THOSE REQUESTS. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M REALLY WORKING HARD WITH, WITH DAVE AND OUR TEAM IS IT'S IDENTIFYING OPPORTUNITIES FOR EFFICIENCIES AND WHAT I CALL STRATEGIC ABANDONMENT. 
          WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING NOW THAT MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY RETURNING THE DIVIDENDS THAT WE ARE SEEKING AND, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES TO USE DOLLARS DIFFERENTLY? AND THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          SO STILL TRYING TO IDENTIFY THOSE AND HOPE TO SHARE SOME OF THOSE WITH YOU WHEN I PRESENT ON 17TH OF FEBRUARY, SO THE 20% OR 20 POSITION INCREASE, NOT PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT 5% EMPLOYEE HEADCOUNT GROWTH, 3%. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS 20? UH, WHAT'S THE BASELINE 20? WELL, OTHER QUESTION IS THIS, THIS IS WHAT'S REQUESTED, BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING, CORRECT? THIS IS NOT WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING TO YOU. 
          THIS IS JUST OVERALL REQUEST . 
          YEAH, BUT 20 IS, UH, 20 OVER WHAT? UH, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 313 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW, UM, OF WHICH 177 ISH ARE PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          SO YOU'D HAVE TO SUBTRACT THEM OUT TO GET A NUMBER. 
          SO IF I, I COULD DO THAT. 
          YOU SAID IT WAS THREE 70? YEAH, NO MINUS NO. 
          3 13 3 3 13. 
          313 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. 
          WE HAVE 98, UH, FOR FIRE RESCUE EMPLOYEES. 
          OF WHICH ONE? SEVEN, I THINK THREE OF THEM PART-TIME. 
          WHAT WAS THE NUMBER? EIGHT OR PART-TIME? EIGHT OR PART-TIME. 
          SO IT'S 90. 
          YEAH, SO 97 YOU TAKE THAT OFF, THAT WOULD TAKE YOU TO 3, 2 33 MINUS THE, ARE WE AT 77 EMPLOYEES? 78. 
          78 RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WE TAKE THAT OFF AS WELL. 
          SO PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE THAN, UM, 8%. 
          IF WE WERE TO GO EIGHT, 10% WE GO IT'S ONE 200. 
          IT'S LESS THAN THAT. 
          AND THAT AGAIN, IT'S A REQUEST FOR AN 8% GROWTH IN PERSONNEL. 
          UH, BIGGER THAN THAT. 
          SORRY, DIDN'T DO MATH RIGHT. 
          BE MY CALCULATOR. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          MY ADVOCATE. 
          SO BOARD MEMBERS, I, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE ALL OF THOSE REQUESTS AND ULTIMATELY MY JOB TO PRESENT IS, YOU KNOW, A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THAT'S BALANCED BASED ON ALL OF THIS. 
          AND, UM, SO I JUST WANNA START HIGH LEVEL FOR, FOR TODAY AND LET YOU KNOW SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS THOUGH, OUR COMMITMENTS WE MADE TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS, LILY AND AMAZON SO FAR AS BUILDING INSPECTION AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT. 
          OR IS THIS ABOVE? THEY ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT BECAUSE THOSE COMMITMENTS ARE IN THE CURRENT FISCAL 
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YEAR. 
          ALRIGHT, SO, ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HIGH LEVEL REVENUES AND EXPENSES. 
          ALRIGHT, CHIEF. 
          YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          WE HAVE OUTSIDE AGENCIES. 
          WHAT IS THAT? I KNOW WE HAVE UC CARE. 
          WE HAVE PET LOVE. 
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YEAH, THIS IS, UH, THE LIBRARY. 
          THIS IS, UH, UC AND PEAN COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD. 
          THESE ARE RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE WITH, UH, FOUR H OTHER AGRICULTURAL ENTITIES. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          AHEAD. 
          WE'LL ASK YOU. 
          ARE WE, ARE WE CONSIDERING CARVING OFF SPACE FOR UNFUNDED COLLECTED FROM THE STATE? STATE? CERTAINLY MAKE THAT A, A DESIGNATED NOTATION. 
          JUST RECENT, YOU KNOW, RECENT NEWS ARTICLES ABOUT INCREASES IN TAXES AND ALL THAT AND THE WAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE MONITORING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN RICHMOND VERY CLOSELY. 
          I'VE ASKED, UH, I HAVE REGULAR UPDATES SO THAT WE CAN KNOW THE IMPACT OF POTENTIAL LEGISLATION. 
          WHO DO WE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT. 
          HOW, IF IT IS, WHO DO WE HAVE ON THE HILL DOING THAT KIND OF DATA FEED TO US? UH, WELL, UH, WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAY BE STAFF ARE MEMBERS OF, YOU KNOW, UH, TARA AND HER TEAM. 
          THEY HAVE, UH, LOCAL ATTORNEYS NETWORKS. 
          UH, I HAVE ASKED PAUL DRUMRIGHT TO TAKE THE LEAD FOR US AS STAFF. 
          I'M GOING TO ASK HIM TO GIMME A WEEKLY UPDATE ONE, UH, BILLS OF INTEREST TO US AND WHO THE PATRON IS, WHERE IT IS IN SUBCOMMITTEE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          'CAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M, I CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU AS WELL. 
          UH, THE COUNTY IS NOT A MEMBER OF A, A LARGER ORGANIZATION THAT DOES THAT ON ITS BEHALF, SO WE'RE USING OUR OWN INTERNAL NETWORKS TO GET THAT INFORMATION. 
          IF I CAN GIVE A SHOUT OUT FOR FARM BUREAU, THEY HAVE A WEEKLY GENERAL ASSEMBLY UPDATE. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND IT'S EXHAUSTIVE AS YOU CAN APPRECIATE. 
          AGRICULTURE AS AN INDUSTRY TOUCHES A LOT. 
          I KNOW MINIMUM WAGE, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          AND THE TOURISM INDUSTRY WITH, UM, THE, THE TIP WAGE AND AGAIN, MINIMUM WAGE INCREASES AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT. 
          THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. 
          AND IT'S FREE THE SIGN UP. 
          AWESOME. 
          WHAT, WHAT'S THE TYPICAL TIMELINE OF UNFUNDED MANDATE TO GO INTO EFFECT? WE HAVE ONE RIGHT? JULY ONE TYPICALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          UNLESS IT'S EMERGENCY LEGISLATION, BUT WHATEVER IS PASSED THROUGH THIS GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION, WE HAVE ABOUT TWO MONTHS TO PREPARE FOR IT. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE WE'LL CHIEF AND WE'LL PASS THE BATON TO YOU. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          I THOUGHT, THOUGHT MAYBE I WAS GONNA PLAY NICK SLIDE PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          JEREMY'S LIKE, I'LL TAKE A BREAK FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES. 
          YOU'RE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UH, DR. 
          RAIL. 
          THANK YOU, UH, MR. CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. 
          UH, IT'S AN HONOR TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT THE, UH, FIRE RESCUE FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          I'D LIKE TO, UH, TALK FIRST, SAY I WANNA THANK DR. 
          RAIL FOR HIS FORESIGHT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, PUT TOGETHER A FIVE YEAR FINANCIAL STRATEGIC PLAN FOR FIRE RESCUE AND OBVIOUSLY OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTY, INCLUDING SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          I THINK THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO, UH, TO LOOK AT WHAT MAY BE NEEDED AND NOW WE CAN, UH, SPREAD THAT OUT OVER FIVE YEARS SO THAT THE IMPACT IS, UH, IS NOT ALL IN ONE YEAR. 
          UM, AND CERTAINLY, UH, GOING FORWARD THIS COULD SUPPORT MANY, MANY DIFFERENT, UH, BUDGET, BUDGET PROCESSES. 
          UH, FIRE RESCUE, UH, CERTAINLY, UM, IS BUSY. 
          UH, I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE HUGE SUPPORTERS OF FIRE, RESCUE AND PUBLIC SAFETY, AND I KNOW YOU KEEP YOUR FINGER ON AIR PULSE AS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THE CALLS THAT WE'RE RESPONDING TO. 
          I WANT TO THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          A LOOK JUST TO LOOK BACK, UH, A LITTLE BIT AS AS TO HOW OUR ORGANIZATION IS, UH, IMPACTED RECENTLY WITH CALLS AND SO FORTH. 
          UH, LOOKING AT OUR CALL VOLUME, WE JUST FINISHED, UH, 2025 WITH THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WE'VE EVER RESPONDED TO. 
          UH, 5,181 CALLS. 
          UH, THAT'S A SIX OF A CONSERVATIVE 6% INCREASE OVER THE LAST YEAR. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THAT'S A 34% INCREASE IN CALL VOLUME. 
          IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT YEAR, 2020 WHERE, UH, COVID WAS, UH, WE REALLY SAW AN UPTICK IN CALLS AFTER THE, THE PANDEMIC YEAR. 
          IT'S REALLY CLOSER TO A 64% INCREASE IN, UH, IN CALL VOLUME IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO, UH, THE COVID YEAR. 
          SO 34% INCREASE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS IS WHAT 
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WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THAT. 
          OF COURSE, THE BREAKDOWN OF CALLS, UM, ABOUT 75, 70 6% OF THEIR CALLS ARE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. 
          BUT YOU HAVE TO ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT OF THOSE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICE CALLS, SOME OF THOSE ARE VEHICLE ACCIDENTS, UH, THAT ALSO REQUIRE A FIRE RESPONSE. 
          UH, THAT COULD BE A PERSON TRAPPED IN A CAR. 
          THE CAR COULD BE ON FIRE. 
          WE COULD HAVE MULTIPLE PATIENTS. 
          WE NEED MORE, UH, HELP ON THE INCIDENT SCENE. 
          SO, UH, THE FACT THAT WE ARE A FIRE RESCUE ORGANIZATION THAT GIVES US THE, UH, THE BEST AND THE MOST EFFICIENT MODEL TO OPERATE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE, UH, WHAT WE'RE CONFRONTED WITH. 
          UH, WE ALSO ARE SEEING A, AN INCREASE IN AMBULANCE TRANSPORTS AND PATIENT TRANSPORTS TO THE AREA HOSPITALS IN 2025. 
          OUR AMBULANCE TRANSPORTS, UH, WENT UP BY 6%, UH, 2,827 TRANSPORTS TO AREA HOSPITALS. 
          UH, THAT'S THE MOST AGAIN WE'VE EVER SEEN. 
          UH, I WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UH, WE DO BRING IN SOME REVENUE FOR AMBULANCE TRANSPORTS ABOUT 1.2 MILLION, UH, ANNUALLY, IS WHAT THIS GOT UP TO. 
          UH, WE HAVE, UM, A SOFT BILLING PROGRAM, A COMPASSIONATE BILLING PROGRAM. 
          UH, WE'VE NEVER BURDENED, UH, A PATIENT WITH SENDING A BILL TO COLLECTIONS. 
          IT DOESN'T GO AGAINST THEIR CREDIT IF THEY CAN'T PAY, AND WE WOULD NEVER WANT THAT, UH, AMBULANCE TRANSPORT COST RECOVERY PROGRAM TO, YOU KNOW, PREVENT SOMEONE FROM CALLING FOR HELP IF THEY, IF THEY NEEDED HELP. 
          BUT IT'S GENERATING ABOUT 1.2, UH, MILLION DOLLARS, UH, ANNUALLY, EVEN WITH A COMPASSIONATE SOFT BILLING, UH, PROGRAM. 
          AND WE HAVE A, A FAIR AMOUNT OF WRITE OFF DEBT, WHICH IS A GOOD THING TO HAVE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU HAVE A COMPASSIONATE, UH, TYPE OF BILLING PROGRAM. 
          CHIEF, IF I MAY? YES, SIR. 
          HOW MUCH OF THAT WRITE OFF IS INSURANCE COMPANIES NOT PAYING, UM, INSURANCE MOST OF THE TIME, UH, PAYS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, OUR BIG PAYERS, AND I'LL CALL ON, UH, CHIEF WATKINS, HE, HE LOOKS AFTER THAT FOR US. 
          UM, I KNOW MEDICARE, MEDICAID INSURANCE COMPANIES, WHEN WE LOOKED AT FISCAL, WE YEAR 25, IT WAS ONE CLOSER TO 1.9 MILLION TOTAL BILL, AND WE RECOVERED APPROXIMATELY 1.2. 
          MOST OF THOSE ARE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. 
          TELL ME WHAT THAT IS, PLEASE. 
          THAT IS, UH, MEDICARE AND MEDICAID PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT. 
          THEY'LL NOT, NOT PAY THE FULL AMOUNT. 
          RIGHT. 
          ONCE YOU PAY MEDICARE MEDICAID, YOU CANNOT PAY ANY ADDITIONAL. 
          SO THERE'S CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS THAT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE TOTAL NUMBER OF WHAT YOU RECOVER FROM ANY PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL. 
          I JUST, AND, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE CONSPIRACY THEORIST, BUT IF THERE'S AN INSURANCE COMPANY THAT SAYS, THESE GUYS AREN'T GONNA PURSUE ME, I'M JUST NOT GONNA PAY IT. 
          THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AREN'T, AREN'T THE ISSUE. 
          BUT WE FOCUS ON THAT, HAVING THAT PERSON HAVING TO WRITE A PAYMENT FOR CHECK. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY THEY NOTICE WE'RE YEAH, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          AND WE'VE SEEN OUR, UH, COLLECTIONS, UH, CONTINUALLY TO GO UP BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF CALLS GOING UP. 
          AND WE HAVE A VERY HIGH COLLECTION, UH, RATE PRETTY MUCH, UH, IN THE HIGH 80%, UH, COLLECTION RATE. 
          SO IT, IT'S ALSO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WEEKS AND MONTHS DOWN THE LINE. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU SEE, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE DECEMBER, 2025 THAT WE'RE 90%, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVEN THE COMPANY THAT WENT OUT OF VISITS, WE COLLECTED ALMOST 90% OF OUR NET REVENUE FROM THEM IN 2022. 
          WHAT WAS THE COMPANY? I, INSURANCE COMPANY? CHECK. 
          NOW, WE HAD A, UH, OUR FORMER FORMER BILLING COMPANY, UH, HAD A CYBER SECURITY ATTACK, UM, PROBABLY GOING BACK ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. 
          AND WE HAD TO SHUT THAT OPERATION DOWN AND MOVED TO A NEW BILLING COMPANY. 
          SO THEY BUILT EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THE QUEUE THAT WAS, UM, WAITING FOR US. 
          MR. BAR, DO YOU HAVE PERMISS? YEAH. 
          COULD YOU SPEAK TO TRANSPORTS TO HOSPITALS INVOLVE A CONSIDERABLY EXPANDED, UH, RESOURCE? IT DOES EXPOSURE, CORRECT? IT, IT, IT DOES. 
          AND FROM THE TIME, AND, AND IT TAKES, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME. 
          AND, AND THAT'S A GOOD, UH, SEGUE. 
          BEFORE WE LEAVE THAT, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE, UM, THE REVENUE WE COLLECT GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND, UH, AND SUPPORTS, UM, FIRE RESCUE AND ALL THE OTHER COUNTY NEEDS. 
          UM, BUT TO MR. VADER'S POINT, UM, AMBULANCE TRANSPORTS, UH, ARE TIME CONSUMING. 
          UH, WE SEE, UH, AMBULANCES IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME, UH, WITH THE PATIENT ON THAT STRETCHER. 
          WE'RE WAITING FOR A BED AVAIL AVAILABLE, UH, THERE IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK FOR AN AMBULANCE TO BE STUCK IN THE HOSPITAL FOR OVER AN HOUR WAITING TO, UH, GET THE PATIENT, UH, YOU KNOW, A BED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PATIENTS, UH, THAT WE SEE WE'RE THE, WE'RE THE PATIENT'S ADVOCATE AND WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THEY, THEY NEED WHAT THEY HAVE, AND WE DON'T RUSH THEM OFF OF OUR STRETCHER. 
          UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CARED FOR IN THE RIGHT, IN THE RIGHT WAY. 
          UH, BUT YES, IT IS TIME CONSUMING. 
          AND SHERIFF, YOU SEE THE SAME THING WITH HAVING A BABY. 
          I DUNNO. 
          YOU HAVE TO KEEP THOSE, THOSE IN CUSTODY FOLKS. 
          WHEN YOU TRANSPORT THEM, YOU, 
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YOU JUST DON'T TURN 'EM LOOSE, THEY, YOU. 
          NO, NO, WE DON'T THIS TIME. 
          . 
          IT TAKES A WHILE. 
          RIGHT? WOULD IT BE SAFE TO POINT OUT THAT THE RECOVERY NOWHERE NEAR COVERS THE COST? OH, NO. 
          IT, IT DOES. 
          SO I MEAN, IT, IT DOES HELP. 
          IT DOES HELP, UH, SUPPLEMENT THE COST, BUT IT NOWHERE NEAR COVERS THE, THE FULL COST OF THEIR OPERATION. 
          SO WE CAN'T REALLY BILL OUT WHAT OUR COSTS ARE, AND THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITIVE, RIGHT? WE BILL, UH, WE BILL FOR AMBULANCE TRANSPORTS OR FOR A HUNDRED AGENCIES IN VIRGINIA. 
          UH, BILL FOR THAT. 
          UH, VERY FEW AGENCIES, IF ANY, BILL FOR ANY TYPE OF FIRE RESPONSE. 
          YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY TO KNOW WHO TO SEND A BILL TO. 
          SURE. 
          UH, THE PATIENT IS ALWAYS KNOWN, UH, SO THAT THE FIRE SIDE OF THAT IS JUST NOT A PRACTICAL, UH, THING THAT, THAT YOU WOULD DO. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, OUR WORKFORCE, UH, MADE UP OF, UH, CAREER MEMBERS AND VOLUNTEER MEMBERS. 
          UH, WE DO FIRE AND RESCUE, UH, SERVICE. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN INCREASE IN TRANSPORTS TO THE HOSPITALS, IT TAKES THEIR PERSONNEL OUT OF THE COUNTY FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME. 
          AND THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WOULD GO TO THE NEXT CALL OR A FIRE CALL. 
          IT COULD BE A STRUCTURE FIRE. 
          AND HONESTLY, THAT'S ONE OF THEIR, UH, BIGGEST CONCERNS IS WHEN WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE AMBULANCES OUT OF THE COUNTY AT ONE TIME, OR MAYBE, MAYBE TWO OR THREE. 
          UH, BUT IT DOES GET TO BE, THERE'S HIGHER NUMBERS. 
          UH, WHAT IF WE HAVE A, A, ANOTHER, UH, HIGH ACUITY INCIDENT THAT OCCURS IN THE COUNTY WHILE EVERYONE IS, UH, SPREAD OVER ALL THE DIFFERENT HOSPITALS THAT WE, UH, WE TRANSPORT TO. 
          UH, BUT YEAH, DEFINITELY LOOKING AT, UH, INCREASES, UH, IN DEMAND OVER THE LAST, UH, LAST YEAR AND LAST, UH, FIVE YEARS. 
          THIS IS PROBABLY A BETTER SLIDE. 
          UH, LOOKING AT, UH, THE ACTIVITY THERE AT OUR STATIONS, UH, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT THIS IS THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES OUT OF THE FIRE STATIONS. 
          NOW, UM, I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT TO YOU THAT WE HAVE NOT INFLATED THESE NUMBERS. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, UH, IF THERE'S A, A VEHICLE ACCIDENT AND WE HAVE AN AMBULANCE AND A FIRE ENGINE AND A RESCUE TRUCK GO OUT AT THE SAME STATION, AND THAT WOULD BE A, A, A GOOD DAY FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH STAFF OR VOLUNTEERING CAREER WORKING TOGETHER TO DO THAT. 
          WE ONLY COUNT THAT RESPONSE ONE TIME. 
          IT DOESN'T COUNT THREE TIMES. 
          AND SO, I WANNA POINT OUT TWO THINGS TO YOU. 
          UH, COMPANY THREE IN CENTERVILLE, UH, THEY ARE JUST ABOUT, UH, MAXED OUT AS TO WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF DOING, LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES, UH, IN AND OUT THAT BUILDING IN 2000 IN FULL RESPONSES OUTTA COMPANY THREE IN 2025. 
          SO WHEN THE OTHER CALLS COME IN AND COMPANY THREE'S AREA, SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO COVER IT, YOU HAVE MANNEQUIN THAT'S, UH, IT'S 13 1,395 RESPONSES. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, YOU CAN ACTUALLY TELL THAT, UH, 467 I, THOSE WERE OVER IN THE CENTERVILLE DISTRICT, THE WEST CREEK FIRE STATION, WILL HELP GREATLY WITH THIS TO BE ABLE TO SPREAD OUT SOME OF THIS WORKLOAD. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO CALL ATTENTION TO, UH, SANDY HOOK STATION EIGHT. 
          UH, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE AT SANDY HOOK IS JUST AN AMBULANCE. 
          IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE APRIL OF 2023. 
          UH, Y'ALL KNOW, WE'RE BUILDING A FIRE STATION IN SANDY HOOK, BUT THE AMBULANCE IS QUITE ACTIVE. 
          UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY TIMES IT, YOU KNOW, IT WENT OUT FOR, UH, FOR THE DIFFERENT THINGS O OVER THE, THE PAST, UH, PAST YEAR. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING ABOUT 75 CALLS A MONTH, UH, BEING HANDLED THERE AT SANDY HOOK, WHICH IS, UH, A DEFINITE NEED FOR THAT, THAT RESOURCE IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR IT. 
          DON'T BE FOOLED BY, UH, CROZIER COMPANY TWO. 
          UH, THEY'RE SMALL BUT MIGHTY. 
          UH, COMPANY TWO, UH, HAS ABOUT, UH, PROBABLY LESS THAN 150 CALLS THAT ACTUALLY OCCUR IN THEIR RESPONSE DISTRICT. 
          BUT COMPANY TWO GOES OUT THE BUILDING ON THIS 700 TIMES A YEAR, GOING TO ALL THESE OTHER DISTRICTS TO, UH, COVER COVER CALLS. 
          SO THIS IS JUST A BETTER LOOK AT, UH, OVERALL, UH, STATION ACTIVITY, UH, RATHER THAN JUST LOOKING AT INCIDENTS BY DISTRICT. 
          OH, NOTE, YES, ONCE THE SANDY HOOK STATION EIGHT IS BUILT, DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WILL HELP OUT WITH SOME OF THE SENATE BILL AND SOME OF THE, UH, WILL THAT HELP OUT COUNTYWIDE? SO IT'S ALREADY HELPING OUT, UH, COUNTYWIDE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ACTUALLY USE A SYSTEM STATUS MANAGEMENT DEPLOYMENT MODEL. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IF, UH, IF COMPANY ONE IN THREE OR OUT CONCURRENTLY ON A CALL, THEN CROZIER AUTOMATICALLY MOVES INTO THE EASTERN END. 
          AND THEN IF COMPANIES, UH, ONE, TWO, AND THREE ARE ON A CALL, THEN STATION EIGHT OUTTA SANDY HOOK LEAVES AND GOES INTO THE EAST END, SO THAT IT'S ALREADY ASSISTING WITH THAT. 
          I DO WANNA POINT OUT WHEN COMPANY TWO AND COMPANY EIGHT LEAVE THEIR DISTRICTS TO GO TO THE EAST END, THERE ISN'T THAT COVERAGE IN THEIR DISTRICT, UH, THAT THEY NORMALLY PROVIDE. 
          UH, WE, WE LOOK AT IT MONTHLY. 
          UH, COMPANY TWO IS MOVING INTO THE EAST END OF THE COUNTY, ROUGHLY, UH, ABOUT 25 
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PLUS TIMES A MONTH TO COVER. 
          UM, AND COMPANY EIGHT AT A SANDY HOOK IS, UH, IS MOVING INTO THE EAST END ABOUT A DOZEN TIMES, UH, A MONTH ALREADY. 
          THE MEANING COMPANIES ONE, TWO, AND THREE ARE ALL CONCURRENTLY BUSY ON A CALL. 
          SO IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY MADE A HUGE, UH, IMPACT. 
          AND IT'S KEEPING COMPANY, UH, FOUR AND SIX FIFE AND HAYDENVILLE AND THEIR DISTRICT, AND THAT THEY DON'T SHIFT AS, AS FAST TO THE EAST AS THEY WERE BEFORE THE INCEPTION OF, UH, OF STATION EIGHT. 
          GREAT QUESTION. 
          DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, CHIEF? SURE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          NOPE, YOU, I, I'VE ASKED THAT. 
          I JUST WANT, IF YOU AGGREGATE ALL THE OTHERS THAT ARE SUPPORTING SANTA BILL, IT'S, IT IS A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL CALLS. 
          IT IS THAT'S GOING THE CENTER. 
          IT IS OVER HALF, WHICH REALLY BODES, I MEAN, IT ANSWERS THE QUESTION, WHY DO WE NEED A STATION ON HOCKETT ROAD, YOU KNOW? OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SIR, YOU, IT JUST, IT, IT REALLY HITS YOU RIGHT IN THE FACE. 
          SO WE LOOK AT THE RESPONSE TIMES, UH, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE RESPONSE TIMES MONTHLY. 
          WE LOOK AT THOSE ON A YEAR ALSO, AND WE HAVE RESPONSE TIME STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS, UM, THAT AS THE STATIONS GET BUSIER AND WE START TO SEE THE RESPONSE TIMES CREEP UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT WHEN FIRE STATION, UH, SEVEN GOES INTO SERVICE, THAT IT WILL RESET SOME OF THOSE RESPONSE TIMES AS WELL AS, UH, SOME OF THAT CALL LOAD REDISTRIBUTE, SOME OF THAT CALL LOAD. 
          UH, THAT'S, THAT'S HAPPENING. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DISMISS THE FACT THAT, UH, COMPANY ONE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LOT OF, UH, LOT OF DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POTENTIALLY IN THEIR AREA. 
          ELI LILLY WILL BE IN THEIR FIRST DO, UH, SO COMPANY ONE ON THE PATTERSON SIDE OF THE COUNTY IS, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, POSITIONED WELL TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE, UH, CALLS ON THAT SIDE OF THE COUNTY. 
          AND THAT WEST CREEK STATION BEING IN THE MIDDLE WILL HELP BOTH, UH, BOTH, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORRIDORS, IF YOU WANT TO REFER TO 'EM THAT WAY. 
          SO, APPRECIATE THAT A WHOLE LOT. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING, ANECDOTALLY IS THAT THERE'S ONE LOCATION FOR TRANSPORT THAT THE STAFF DOES NOT LIKE TO CALL, BY NAME IS A LOT OF THE, UH, TRANSPORT EASTERN END IS THAT, UH, WE HAVE OLDER, UH, AVERY POINT IS, IS BY DESIGN, UH, AN OLDER POPULATION. 
          AND, AND MY UNDERSTANDING, AGAIN, THIS IS ANECDOTAL, IS A LOT OF THE TRANSPORT IS OCCURRING IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY. 
          AND IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO WHERE WE HAVE CONTRACTS, DON'T WE, WITH A, A TRANSPORT AMBULANCE SERVICE? THEY DID NOT HAVE A CONTRACT. 
          WE DID NOT. 
          AND THERE, THAT, THAT TYPE OF SERVICE JUST ISN'T REALLY AVAILABLE COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC. 
          UH, WE HAVE SEEN, UH, CONTRACT, UH, AMBULANCE SERVICES, UH, THE VET, THEIR AVAILABILITY HAS BEEN IMPACTED BY THAT. 
          AND THERE IS NO CONTRACT. 
          AVERY POINT DOES NOT HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE PRIVATE AMBULANCE, UH, VENDOR. 
          UH, THEY RELY ON GOOSE ON FIRE RESCUE FOR ALL THOSE TRANSPORTS. 
          AND WE ARE SEEING THOSE, UH, THOSE TRANSPORTS ARE CREEPING UP AT AVERY POINT. 
          UH, THERE'S SURPASS IN SHELTER, IN ARMS, UH, IN SOME MONTHS, 30 30 OR SO, UH, A MONTH. 
          AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD, UH, BY OTHER FIRE RESCUE ORGANIZATIONS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY IN BALTIMORE AND SO FORTH, THAT WE CAN EXPECT ABOUT 80 CALLS A MONTH THERE AT, UH, AT AVERY POINT. 
          UH, SO IT'S A COMMUNITY WITHIN A COMMUNITY, AND, UH, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SENIOR CITIZENS AND, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR VERY BEST TO, UH, SERVE THEM. 
          I WILL SAY ONE THING ABOUT THAT, UH, WE HAD SOME OF THE BEST SUPPORT OF OUR CITIZENS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE SEE THAT THERE AT AVERY POINT. 
          WHILE IT DOES GENERATE QUITE A FEW CALLS, UH, THE CITIZENS WHO LIVED THERE AT AVERY POINT COULDN'T BE MORE SUPPORTIVE. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS, UH, TWO SLIDES EARLIER, UM, WE CAN OFFSET SOME OF THAT COST WITH THE, UH, WITH THE REVENUE RECOVERY AND EVEN SHELTER IN ARMS, UH, TRANSPORTING SOME OF THOSE PATIENTS OUT OF THERE. 
          DR. 
          LEY AND I, UH, CHIEF WATKINS, UH, WORKS CONSTANTLY WITH THE, WITH, UH, SHELTER IN ARMS. DR. 
          LEY, I VISIT THE SHELTER IN ARMS AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE EXPLAINED OUR CHALLENGES AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO TO HELP THEM. 
          AND, AND HONESTLY, I THINK IT'S HELPED SOME, I THINK IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS ARE FAIRLY STEADY. 
          I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU WE'VE SEEN A BIG DECREASE IN THAT, THAT, BUT THERE'S SOME SICK PEOPLE THERE AND THERE, THEY'RE VERY ACUTE EMERGENCIES THAT ARE TIME SENSITIVE EMERGENCIES THAT CAN'T WAIT FOR THOSE PRIVATE, UH, TRANSPORT SERVICES TO COME IN TO HANDLE. 
          SO, UM, PART OF THE, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          COULD YOU, I, I WOULD ASK JUST TO, AS WE GO FURTHER THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, GETTING INTO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ON THE FRONT END, BUT WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THIS BUDGET IS A LIVING ORGANISM. 
          UM, CAN WE GET SOME OF THE STATISTIC PERFORMANCE STATISTICS INCLUDED IN THIS ANALYSIS? BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT IT'S LOST ON THE VIEWER HOW WELL THIS NETWORK MODEL FUNCTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST GIVING GREATER CONTEXT TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          WE DEFINITELY 
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WANNA BE THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE RESOURCES ARE THERE. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I MEAN, WE AS A BOARD HAVE BEEN VERY CONSCIOUS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE SAW A SHIFT FROM SEVEN TO EIGHT IN TERMS OF STARTING CONSTRUCTION EARLIER, IT WAS NOT AT THE, UM, EXPENSE OF THE MODEL. 
          YOU KNOW, WE DID, WE WANTED THAT MODEL TO STILL BE OPERATING SMOOTHLY, AND FRANKLY, WE WANTED TO SEE THOSE CAPITAL ASSETS GET BUILT SOONER. 
          WAS THE LOGIC PART, MR. WATERS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT, FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SESSION IN RESPECT TO THE, THE, THE SLIDE DECK AND OTHER COUNTY DEPARTMENTS, WE ONLY INCLUDED A, IT'S FINE, A HANDFUL OF SLIDES COMPARED TO WHAT WE MAY HAVE INCLUDED, UH, IN A, YOU KNOW, OUR TRADITIONAL BUDGET PRESENTATION. 
          UH, IF THERE'S ANY, UH, PERFORMANCE MEASURES IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A FAIR NUMBER OF THOSE. 
          WE MAY ALREADY HAVE IT PULLED. 
          UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. 
          UH, WE LOOK AT EVERY MONTH, UH, DR. 
          LEY GETS A REPORT. 
          WE LOOK AT RESPONSE TIMES, UH, PER STATION, AND WE ALWAYS CAN DO A LOOK BACK TO THE PREVIOUS MONTH AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IN DECEMBER OF, UH, 2025, UH, STATION THREE DID 149 CALLS COMPARED TO 98 CALLS IN DECEMBER OF 2024. 
          SO WE HAVE A, A GOOD AMOUNT OF THAT INFORMATION ALREADY PULLED. 
          WE CAN TELL YOU THAT WE GO TO ENRICO DOCTOR'S HOSPITAL, THE MOST OF ALL HOSPITALS, FOLLOWED BY A CLOSE SECOND AT ST. 
          MARY'S AND SHORE PUMP IN DCU. 
          WE CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT WE GO INTO THE S SHATSVILLE AREA ABOUT A DOZEN, UH, TIMES A MONTH, UH, TO UVA AND MARTHA JEFFERSON FOR THE WESTERN, UH, CITIZENS WHO MAY PREFER TO GO THERE. 
          OR MAYBE THAT'S THE CLOSEST TRAUMA CENTER UNDER CERTAIN, UH, CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          SO BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANY OF THAT. 
          JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU'D LIKE AND YEAH, WE CAN, UH, SEND IT TO YOUR WIFE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE PULLING, UH, NUMBERS RIGHT NOW FOR OUR, UH, ANNUAL REPORT BOOKLET. 
          GOOD. 
          AND IT MIGHT BE SOME INFORMATION IN THERE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ASSEMBLE. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF, BEFORE YOU TRANSITION, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY, I SHARED EARLIER THIS MONTH THAT WE'RE WORKING ON DASHBOARDS AND METRICS THAT WE CAN SHARE PUBLICLY. 
          AND SO THEY'VE BEEN LEADING THE WAY, QUITE HONESTLY, AND THEY HAVE A, A DASHBOARD THAT'S IN BETA FORM RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'RE FINE TUNING AROUND THE EDGES. 
          I WOULD EXPECT BY THE END OF APRIL, WE WOULD HAVE THAT READY FOR PUBLIC VIEW IF THOSE CAN GET CLICK ON, SEE A LOT OF INFORMATION RIGHT AT THE FINGERTIPS. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE THAT. 
          I THINK EVEN WITH WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, WE PUT AT THE PIECE OF THAT THAT I'M THE MOST INTRIGUED WITH IS THAT HEAT MAP WHERE YOU CAN OPEN THE MAP MAP OF THE COUNTY AND ZERO IN, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE RED AREAS ACROSS THE COUNTY. 
          AND CERTAINLY WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE 'CAUSE WE DO IT EVERY DAY, BUT FREQUENT. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD JUST TO HAVE THAT, TO SAY, YEAH, WE KNEW WE WERE RIGHT. 
          BUT, UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PICK THAT OUT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          KIND OF TRANSITIONING TO PART OF OUR, UH, FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC FINANCIAL PLAN IS STAFFING. 
          AND THAT'S HONESTLY WHAT I GUESS THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS DISCUSSION IS TONIGHT. 
          AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND, UM, WE KNOW WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BOARD AND THIS BOARD HAS SUPPORTED US, UH, EXTREMELY WELL IN THE PAST. 
          UM, YEAR BEFORE LAST, WE HAD, UH, 12 NEW EMPLOYEES COME ON BOARD. 
          LAST YEAR WE HAD SIX, AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF THAT. 
          BUT WE TOOK A MORE COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT WHAT WE THINK WE NEED FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO ADDRESS WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY IN GOLAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, ON FORECAST, WHAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING AND WHAT'S COMING IN THE DOOR. 
          AND WE HAVE COME UP WITH, UH, OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE NEED ABOUT 55, UH, ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS TO PUT INTO FIRE STATIONS. 
          I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT 55 FIREFIGHTERS WILL DO FOR US. 
          THEY'LL DO THREE THINGS VERY WELL FOR US. 
          THE FIRST THING IS, UH, EASILY EXPLAINED. 
          WE CAN OPEN TWO BRAND NEW FIRE STATIONS WITH 55 FIREFIGHTERS. 
          WE NEED 15 FIREFIGHTERS PER FIRE STATION TO OPEN, UM, A FIRE STATION THAT WOULD BE FIVE FIREFIGHTER EMTS, PARAMEDICS WORKING A DAY. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE TWO, RIDING AN AMBULANCE AND THREE ASSIGNED TO A FIRE ENGINE. 
          NFPA IS RECOMMENDED MORE THAN THREE ASSIGNED TO A FIRE ENGINE. 
          WE'RE TAKING THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T DO ALL THIS AT ONE TIME, SO WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE NEED THREE, UH, PERSONNEL ON A FIRE ENGINE. 
          UH, SO 55 FIREFIGHTERS OPENS TWO BRAND NEW FIRE STATIONS, 55 FIREFIGHTERS. 
          ALSO ALLOWS US TO TAKE OUR EXISTING FIRE STATIONS BACK OUT STATION EIGHT BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE NEW ONES, AND BRING THOSE, UH, FIRE STATIONS UP TO SPEED SO THAT WE HAVE INDEPENDENT STAFFING SPREAD BETWEEN FIRE ENGINE AND AMBULANCE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A CROSS STAFFING MODEL. 
          WE HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT'S ON DUTY AND THEY SHIFT BETWEEN THOSE TWO VEHICLES, BUT SOMETIMES BOTH OF THOSE VEHICLES ARE NEEDED ON THE SAME EMERGENCY SCENE. 
          AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY HAVE TO CHOOSE, DO I TAKE THE FIRE ENGINE, DO I TAKE THE AMBULANCE? LOTS OF DECISION MAKING WHEN THE TONES GO OFF. 
          SO THE WAY WE COMPENSATE FOR THAT TODAY IS, UH, WE MAY SEND TWO COMPANIES TO A CALL THAT ONE COMPANY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE. 
          UH, A SO HOPEFULLY, UH, IF WE CAN BRING OUR STAFF, OUR STATION STAFFING UP, 
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SO WE HAVE, UH, THE FIVE ON DUTY PER STATION, THEN THAT WILL HELP, UH, WITH OVERALL EFFICIENCY OF A RESPONSE. 
          I WANT TO TELL YOU THOUGH THAT, UH, COMPANY TWO, Y'ALL KNOW THAT COMPANY TWO ENRO, I SAID EARLIER, THEY'RE SMALL BUT MIGHTY, BUT THEY HAVE A VERY SMALL, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE FOOTPRINT OF A FIRE STATION. 
          COMPANY TWO ALSO HAS A VERY FRAGILE SEPTIC ISSUE. 
          AND IF WE PUT TOO MANY STAFF MEMBERS AT COMPANY TWO, THEN IT WILL OVERWHELM THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. 
          THE SEPTIC SYSTEM WILL FAIL. 
          UM, WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN KEEP COMPANY TWO BUMPING ALONG. 
          UH, AND WE'RE LOOKING ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR A PROPERTY ALONG CARDWELL ROAD THAT, UH, COULD POTENTIALLY BE FOR THE FUTURE REBUILD OF COMPANY TWO. 
          SO THESE NUMBERS DO NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UH, GETTING COMPANY TWO UP TO SPEED. 
          COMPANY TWO WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE WITH TWO PEOPLE A DAY. 
          THAT'S, UH, SIX PEOPLE TOTAL. 
          WE HAVE THREE SHIFTS, A, B, AND C SHIFT. 
          AND SO WE WOULD NEED NINE MORE PEOPLE IF, IF AND WHEN. 
          I GUESS IT'S NOT WHEN, WHEN WE, WELL, MAYBE IT IS WHEN, WHEN WE BUILD, REBUILD, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPANY TWO AND FIND SOME PROPERTY. 
          UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO. 
          CHIEF, IF YES, GO FOR IT. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE A LONG ANSWER. 
          SO I'M, I'M JUST PLANTING THE SEED. 
          WE'LL HARVEST LATER. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL TRY TO MAKE A, YOU, YOU, YOU MAY REFERENCE THAT WE NEED TO GET STATIONS UP THE SPEED. 
          MR. BOERS JUST MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO ABOUT HOW THE HUB AND SPOKE, IF YOU WILL, IS WORKING WELL. 
          IS IT REALLY A REQUIREMENT THAT A TEAM BE AT A SPECIFIC STATION IF THIS HUB AND SPOKE IS WORKING WELL, GIVEN THAT WE ARE OSELIN, WE'RE 28,000, WE'RE NOT 280,000. 
          I MEAN THE, TO YOUR HIGH CREDIT, THE JOB IS GETTING DONE. 
          AND SO IS THIS ONE OF THESE WORK SMARTER, NOT HARDER TYPE OF THINGS WHERE WE'RE NOT CREATING THIS BE HOMUTH WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOT FIVE PEOPLE PER SHIFT, THREE SHIFTS, 15 WHEN YOU CAN DO WHAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING PRETTY WELL? YES. 
          I, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED A HUB AND SPOKE. 
          WE DON'T OPERATE WITH A HUB AND SPOKE TYPE PRINCIPLE. 
          WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR SEVEN FIRE RESCUE DISTRICTS IN THE COUNTY. 
          UH, WE HAVE CITIZENS WHO OBVIOUSLY SPREAD OVER ALL SEVEN OF THOSE DISTRICTS AND SOON TO BE EIGHT FIRE RESCUE DISTRICTS WITH, UH, WEST CREEK. 
          UH, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS WE'RE IN, UH, WE TRY TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN OPERATE. 
          WE ARE EXTREMELY RESOURCEFUL. 
          THE SANDY HOOK STATION'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE THERE WITH, UM, AGREED WITH MINIMAL RESOURCES. 
          I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A, WE HAVE A DANGEROUS BUSINESS AND EMERGENCIES OCCUR. 
          THEY'RE THE SAME EMERGENCIES. 
          WHETHER YOU HAVE IT IN FIFE OR WHETHER YOU HAVE IT IN CENTERVILLE, IF YOU'RE BLEEDING TO DEATH, IT'S THE SAME EMERGENCY FIRES, UH, DESTROY PROPERTY THE SAME WAY IN ALL THE DISTRICTS. 
          AND OUR HAZARD IS THE SAME. 
          UH, THERE'S JUST NO LINES THERE THAT YOU REALLY CAN DROP. 
          SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR APPARATUS IS STAFFED APPROPRIATELY SO THAT WE CAN ONE, OPERATE EFFICIENTLY SERVE OUR CITIZENS. 
          UH, AND TWO, UH, WE DON'T WANNA PUT OUR PERSONNEL, UH, IN ANY MORE DANGER THAN THEY HAVE TO AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME. 
          AND IT'S NOT, IT'S IT'S COMBINATION. 
          WE'RE COMBINATION YOUR CAREER AND WE'RE VOLUNTEER. 
          AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU A VOLUNTEER SLIDE, UH, IN JUST A SECOND. 
          BUT I THINK WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S OTHER REASONS YOU WANT TO HEAR. 
          SO I'VE MENTIONED, UH, THERE WERE THREE THINGS THAT 55 PEOPLE WOULD DO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THOSE THINGS WAS, UH, OPEN TO FIRE STATIONS. 
          THE SECOND THING WAS GETTING THE EXISTING STATIONS UP TO SPEED. 
          I'LL TELL YOU THAT. 
          UH, THE THIRD THING IS IT WILL GIVE US PERSONNEL TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE CALL A RELIEF FACTOR. 
          AND A REALLY FACTOR IS NOTHING MORE THAN BEING ABLE TO LET PEOPLE OFF DUTY AND USE THEIR ANNUAL LEAVE, THEIR SICK LEAVE. 
          UM, PEOPLE THAT HAVE MILITARY LEAVE, THEY HAVE A CIVIL LEAVE, SOME, UH, GET INJURED ON THE JOB. 
          THEY HAVE LIGHT DUTY ASSIGNMENTS. 
          SO A RELIEF FACTOR GIVES US A FEW EXTRA PEOPLE IN THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, ONE PERSON FOR EVERY SIX FIREFIGHTERS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN TAKE THEIR JOB BENEFITS AND BE OFF DUTY. 
          IT COULD BE, UH, PARENTAL LEAVE IN THE FUTURE, UH, WHERE PEOPLE ARE OUT ON FMLA, UH, THAT, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          SO ALL THIS, ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LEAVE, UH, DETRACT FROM THAT MINIMUM STAFFING. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA MAINTAIN THE NUMBERS, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TO MAINTAIN THOSE NUMBERS WHEN PEOPLE ARE OFF DUTY WITH THEIR JOB BENEFITS. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE THREE THINGS 55 FIREFIGHTERS DO FOR US. 
          WE WANTED TO SPREAD THIS OUT EVENLY OVER FIVE YEARS SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE AS BUMPY. 
          UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE ASKING FOR 11, 11 FIREFIGHTERS A YEAR. 
          WE'LL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE MENTIONED. 
          AGAIN, I WANNA GO BACK TO CROZIER COMPANY TWO. 
          IT WILL NOT ADDRESS, UH, FULL STAFF AND FOR CROZIER COMPANY TWO WHEN WE REBUILD THAT FIRE STATION CHIEF. 
          I JUST GOT A COMMENT ON THAT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, FROM MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIMENT EXPERIENCE, THAT RELIEF FACTOR 
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IS CRITICAL FOR RETAINMENT. 
          ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL BURNOUT. 
          ABSOLUTELY BURNOUT. 
          WE'VE BEEN, UH, VERY CONSERVATIVE TO THIS POINT WITH OUR NUMBERS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THESE ARE TOO, AND BOARD MEMBERS THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A NATIONAL STANDARD, BUT WE HAVE DONE OUR REALLY DEEP ANALYSIS AND KUDOS TO, UH, BATTALION CHIEF MARKEY WHO'S REALLY LEADS TO STAFFING IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE RIGHT STAFFING FACTOR. 
          SOME USE A 1.3, SOME USE A 1.6. 
          OUR STAFFING FACTOR IS LESS THAN THAT. 
          SO THAT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN 1.2. 
          WE'RE FACTORING FOR THAT, BUT IT'S LESS THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND REGIONALLY. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO AGAIN, BE CONSERVATIVE THERE. 
          CHIEF MARK CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, YOU NEED ONE, ONE FIREFIGHTER FOR EVERY SIX YOU HAVE IN ORDER TO, UH, HAVE  CORRECT TO BE ABLE TO USE, TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY USE THEIR, THEIR COUNTY OR BENEFITS. 
          OTHERWISE, THEY'RE GONNA BE A POSITION THAT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY AVAILABLE SPOTS. 
          ESSENTIALLY, THEY'RE ALMOST HAVING FOUR TIME. 
          SO TO STAY WITH THEM THAT WE'VE GOTTA, UH, OPEN, OPEN UP THE SPOT EVERY SIX, SIX PEOPLE WE HAVE ON SHIFT. 
          I, I ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE, THE PHYSICAL WORK THAT A FIREFIGHTER EMT OR PARAMEDIC HAS TO DO, UM, IF A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC IS, UH, INJURED ON DUTY OR MAYBE EVEN INJURED OFF DUTY, THEY CAN'T, UH, THEY CAN'T COME BACK TO THEIR NORMAL JOB. 
          WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT, UH, SOMEONE LIKE THAT IN LIGHT DUTY. 
          THEY MAY HAVE LIFTING RESTRICTIONS, UH, OTHER TYPE OF PHYSICAL RESTRICTIONS. 
          SO AT ANY GIVEN TIME, UH, WE MAY HAVE, UH, TWO OR THREE, THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE WORKING LIGHT DUTY 'CAUSE THEY SPRAIN THEIR ANKLE OR THEY MAY HAVE ROTATOR CUFF TEARS. 
          UM, OR IT COULD BE A CARDIAC ISSUE OR IT COULD BE A SITUATION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOMEBODY, A FIREFIGHTER MAY HAVE TO GO ON BLOOD THINNERS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE ON BLOOD THINNERS, YOU CAN'T DO THE JOB BECAUSE IF YOU FALL HIT YOUR HEAD, GET INJURED, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE A BLEEDING, UH, PROBLEM. 
          SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 
          'CAUSE WE DO NOT OPERATE IN AN OFFICE ENVIRONMENT. 
          YES, WE HAVE A FIRE RESCUE ADMINISTRATION THAT'S AN OFFICE. 
          UH, SOME OF US ARE WORK THERE. 
          UH, HOWEVER, UM, THE FIREFIGHTERS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO WORK IN THE FIRE STATION. 
          THEY HAVE TO ALWAYS BE FIT FOR DUTY. 
          AND SO AT ANY GIVEN TIME WE MIGHT BE MANAGING, UH, FOUR OR FIVE, UH, FIREFIGHTERS AND ADMIN DOING THINGS OTHER THAN WHAT THEY NORMALLY DO BECAUSE OF, UM, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          CHIEF, YES, I HATE TO KEEP INTERRUPTING, BUT I'M SORRY, BUT I WANT YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS. 
          I'M HUNG UP ON, ON SOMETHING THAT, ALRIGHT, YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO, O THAT IF WE STAFF THIS THING BY 2031 WITH FIVE, THAT'S YOUR TARGET, RIGHT? YES, SIR. 
          AND, AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE VARIOUS STATIONS, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO RESCUE OTHER STATIONS BECAUSE THERE WOULD DEFICIENT, THERE WOULD BE LESS OF THAT. 
          IT WOULD BE LESS OF THAT. 
          SO TO ME, THERE'S AN EFFICIENCY THING THAT WOULD ALLOW EACH STATION TO CREATE MORE VOLUME. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO GO AND COVER OTHER STATIONS. 
          WE'RE. 
          SO IF WE FACTOR THAT IN AND, AND TO ME THERE'S A JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT, IT WILL HELP MR. WINFREY. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE SEND TWO COMPANIES TO A VEHICLE ACCIDENT. 
          UH, ONE COMPANY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE, THE NORMAL AVERAGE VEHICLE ACCIDENT. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS THE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT RULE. 
          CAR FIRE ONE COMPANY. 
          WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA SEND TWO COMPANIES TO A LIMITED ACCESS HIGHWAY LIKE INTERSTATE 64 2 88 BECAUSE OF THE, THE HAZARDS OF JUST, UH, SOMEBODY CRASHING INTO YOUR SCENE, WHICH WE ALL NOTE ALL TOO WELL RECENTLY. 
          SO YES, SIR, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO, UH, HANDLE, UH, A CALL WITH ONE, ONE STATION AS OPPOSED TO TWO. 
          I'LL TELL YOU WHAT ELSE IT'LL DO. 
          UH, WE GET A FAIR NUMBER OF WALK-INS. 
          AND SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT COMPANY THREE OR WE COULD TALK ABOUT COMPANY FIVE. 
          'CAUSE IT HAPPENS TO ALL THE STATIONS. 
          EVEN STATION FOUR GETS A FAIR NUMBER OF WALK-INS. 
          BUT IF, IF, IF ONE UNIT IS OUT ON THE CALL, IF THE AMBULANCE IS TRANSPORTED AND THEY'RE IN THE DRIVEWAY AT ST. 
          MARY'S AND THE FIRE CREW'S IN QUARTERS AND SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN, KNOCKS ON THE DOOR HAVING A STROKE, THEN THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE TO HELP HELP THEM. 
          SO YOU HAVE SOME BENCH STEP LEFT BEHIND FOR THAT SECOND CALL AND THE SECOND CALL COMES IN VERY OFTEN. 
          UH, IT'S HARDLY JUST, JUST ONE CALL AT A TIME. 
          IT'S NEVER FAILED. 
          IT'S MULTIPLE CALLS, UH, AT ONE TIME. 
          SO THAT, THAT WOULD ALL HELP WITH ALL OF THAT IF WE WERE TO, UH, IF WE, AND WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS IT AND WE'VE DONE VERY WELL. 
          AND, AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT OUR NUMBERS ARE, ARE HIGHER TODAY THAN, THAN MAYBE I'M, UH, TELLING YOU THEY ARE OR TRYING TO PAINT THE PICTURE. 
          THEY ARE. 
          BUT WHAT DETRACTS THE NUMBERS AND BRINGS THEM DOWN IS THAT, UH, IS WE DON'T HAVE THAT RELIEF FACTOR TO COVER. 
          YOU KNOW, COMPANY THREE, FOR EXAMPLE, COULD START OFF ON PAPER WITH FOUR PEOPLE ON DUTY, BUT HARDLY EVER DO THE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE ON DUTY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOTTA, HOW MANY PEOPLE TO LET OFF WITH A DAY OR FOUR PEOPLE COULD BE OFF ON ANNUAL LEAVE, UH, ON ANY GIVEN DAY, AND THEN SOMEBODY MAY CALL 
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OUT ON SICK LEAVE IN THE MORNING. 
          UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S A FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT, UH, PEOPLE, IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE. 
          UH, LOOKING AT THIS, UH, WE BROKE IT DOWN FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS TO, UH, TO ASK YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          UH, AS DR SAID, THIS IS JUST CONSIDERATION AT THIS POINT FOR 11, UH, 11 A YEAR TO SMOOTH IT OUT. 
          WE, UH, HAVE INCLUDED OUR SUPPORT PERSONNEL ON THERE FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR AS WELL AS GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, WE, WE THINK THAT, UH, THIS IS THE, THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SUPPORT STAFF. 
          I WILL TELL YOU, CHIEF GORDON SAID EARLIER THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE 98 EMPLOYEES TODAY, BUT NINE OF 'EM ARE FULL-TIME AND EIGHT OF 'EM ARE PART-TIME. 
          SO WE RUN, UH, A LOT OF FIRE ADMIN, UH, WITH PART-TIME EMPLOYEES. 
          DEPUTY CHIEF GORDON, UH, YOU MAY THINK HE'S FULL-TIME, BUT HE'S A PART-TIME, UH, EMPLOYEE. 
          UM, AND HE PUTS IN FULL-TIME HOURS. 
          UH, AND I TELL HIM, PLEASE, PLEASE TAKE A BREAK BECAUSE HE DOES SUCH A GREAT JOB. 
          UH, CHIEF WATKINS IS FULL-TIME, UH, CHIEF BROOKS SITTING NEXT TO CHIEF GORDON IS A, IS A VOLUNTEER DEPUTY CHIEF, VOLUNTEER DEPUTY CHIEF. 
          SO WE TRY TO BE RESOURCEFUL AND CREATIVE AND WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, DO IT THE, THE LEAST, UH, IMPACTFUL WAY. 
          BUT THIS IS, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS NEXT BUDGET HERE, FY 27, WE'RE HOPING TO PROMOTE THREE CAPTAINS TO BATTALION CHIEFS. 
          SO WE CAN HAVE OUR SHIFT COMMANDERS CAN BE BATTALION CHIEFS BECAUSE MOST PLACES, UM, SHIFT COMMANDER IS BATTALION CHIEF AND CAPTAINS, UH, ARE DOING IT HERE IN GLAND. 
          UM, WE ARE ASKING FOR A PART-TIME FIRE MARSHAL, AND WE ARE ASKING FOR A SENIOR BATTALION CHIEF RECLASSIFIED TO ASSISTANT CHIEF. 
          WHAT THAT WILL DO IS, UH, IS SPREAD OUT THE SPAN OF CONTROL IN THE DIVISION OF LABOR SO THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE RIGHT LEVELS OF RANK AND SUPERVISION TO BE ABLE TO SUPERVISE AND DO EVALUATIONS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          UH, BUT THESE ARE ALL EXISTING, UH, POSITIONS. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR NEW POSITIONS. 
          THESE ARE UPGRADES. 
          I GUESS YOU, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SAY. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE THERE. 
          AND BUT THESE UP, THESE UPGRADES WOULD LIKE, SO IF YOU, IF YOU PROMOTED FOUR PEOPLE THAT YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR FOUR NEW FOLKS TO REPLACE THEM. 
          WELL, WE WOULD, SORRY, OUR BOTTOM LINE, OUR BOTTOM NUMBER WOULDN'T CHANGE. 
          WE WOULD BE POSITION UPGRADES. 
          WHAT WE WOULD DO IF WE PROMOTED, UM, AND WE BUILT THIS INTERIOR BUDGET REQUEST, IF WE PROMOTED THREE BATTALION CHIEF, WE WOULD PUT MONEY IN OUR BUDGET FOR THREE LIEUTENANTS TO MOVE UP TO CAPTAIN. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THREE FIREFIGHTERS WOULD MOVE UP TO LIEUTENANT, BUT WE WOULDN'T INCREASE OUR BOTTOM LINE NUMBER. 
          WE WANNA KEEP THAT THE SAME. 
          UH, I'LL TELL YOU, AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT MR. HELLER PRESENTS LATER, WHAT IF WE CAN GET THINGS INTO ALIGNMENT WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND OTHER STANDARDS, THEN IT KIND OF PREVENTS THE NEED FOR THESE CROSSWALK TABLES BETWEEN WHEN YOU DO A COMPENSATION STUDY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A CROSSWALK TABLE IF YOU HAVE A RANK THAT'S DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN  THAN WHAT'S BEING DONE IN A JURISDICTION THAT YOU'RE COMPARING YOURSELF TO. 
          SO JUST THINGS TO THINK ABOUT BEFORE YOU MOVE ON. 
          CHIEF, YES, I I JUST, THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT ABSOLUTELY. 
          JUST FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IF I LOOK AT THIS, SO FIRST OFF, I AM GLAD THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. 
          UM, THE FIVE PEOPLE PER STATION HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH ALMOST INFORMALLY EVERY YEAR. 
          SO I THINK THIS IS GETTING US CLOSER TO HERE'S WHAT OUR, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE ALL WORKING TOWARDS. 
          SO EVERY YEAR WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THIS BIG CONVERSATION OF WHAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER GOING TO THE NATIONAL NUMBER. 
          AND FOR ALL THE REASONS YOU TALKED ABOUT, IF I LOOK AT WHY THIS 11, IF I HOW YOU EXPLAINED IT REALLY WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD SYNTHESIZE THAT AS NUMBER ONE, WE'RE BUILDING STATION EIGHT TO COVER AN AREA THAT HAD BEEN UNDERSERVED. 
          UH, REGARDLESS OF POPULATIONS, OUR RESPONSE TIMES HAVE GONE FROM 13 TO 14 MINUTES TO FOUR MINUTES. 
          WE'RE SAVING LIVES EVERY WEEK. 
          SO THAT'S FILLING A HOLE THAT'S BEEN THERE. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD COMMIT THAT STATION EIGHT IS, OR STATION SEVEN IS INTENDED TO MEET THE FUTURE GROWTH. 
          AND WHILE COVERING SOME, SO I SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT BACK OF THE NAPKIN, $1.1 MILLION A YEAR, A YEAR POTENTIALLY JUST IN EMS AND FIREFIGHTER STAFF OR A THOUSAND POSITION AT A $600,000 HOME. 
          THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THIS BOARD NEEDS TO APPROVE 345 NEW HOMES EVERY YEAR. 
          THIS BOARD HAS MADE A COMMITMENT TO KEEP THE COUNTY RURAL AND WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF HEAT FOR FOCUSING ON COMMERCIAL. 
          THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE'RE FOCUSING ON COMMERCIAL. 
          THIS IS NOT TO KEEP UP WITH THE CURRENT GROWTH, BUT IT'S TO ANTICIPATE THAT RATHER THAN BRINGING IN, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 3000 MORE PEOPLE OVER THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS, WE'RE FOCUSING ON BUILDING THAT COMMERCIAL TO RELIEVE THAT NUMBER TO BE ABLE, AND THAT DOES INCLUDE WHAT'S COMING UP THE NEXT SLIDE AS FAR AS AMBULANCES AND TRUCKS AND SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES, VEHICLES AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, MR. HADN'T THOUGHT OF IT LIKE THAT. 
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UM, ALRIGHT, I'M BEGINNING TO REALIZE THAT WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO AFFORDABILITY. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW, WHAT CAN WE AFFORD TO DO? AND I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A LITTLE EARLIER IN THIS PROCESS TO GET A REAL ANSWER TO THAT, BUT WHEN WE GET INTO IT, IF WE NEED TO, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SORT OF, UH, SKEW SOME OF THIS TOWARDS THE FUTURE? AND I HATE TO GIVE AWAY UNBORN CHILDREN. 
          I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT WE DO, WE DO ANTICIPATE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL REVENUE COMING IN IN THE FUTURE WHERE WE'LL BE ABLE TO AFFORD BETTER. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S, IF YOU LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'VE GOT IS 11, 11, 9, 11, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY IF, IF, IF THE AFFORDABILITY DICTATES THAT WE REALLY CAN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN DO IT LATER ON? WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY JOB AS YOUR FIRE CHIEF TO TELL YOU WHAT I THINK WE NEED. 
          SURE. 
          AND, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S YOUR JOB TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU CAN DO. 
          AND SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, YOU WILL ALWAYS GET AN HONEST ANSWER FROM ME. 
          I WILL, UH, TELL YOU, UH, WHAT I THINK WE NEED. 
          AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M PRESENTING TONIGHT IS WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO COVER. 
          WHAT'S HERE TODAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA BE HERE IN THE NEXT YEAR, AND THEN WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IN OVER THE NEXT, UH, SEVERAL YEARS. 
          UM, AND, AND OPEN, UH, TWO NEW FIRE STATIONS. 
          UH, SO I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. WINFREY, BUT BY NO MEANS AM I SAYING DO THE BEST YOU DO THE BEST YOU CAN. 
          SO I'M SAYING WE DON'T SUPPORT YOU. 
          UH, IT NEVER COMES, I'M TELLING, NEVER COMES INTO QUESTION. 
          THIS NEVER COMES INTO QUESTION. 
          I THINK IT'S PRIMARY IN ALL OF OUR MIND. 
          RIGHT? I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE, UM, A COMBINATION OF T PUT EQUAL EMPHASIS ON RECRUITING VOLUNTEERS AND OUR VOLUNTEER RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION COORDINATOR, LISA BROWN AND DEPUTY CHIEF GORDON, UM, BROUGHT IN A RECORD NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS THIS PAST YEAR. 
          47 VOLUNTEERS WERE BROUGHT INTO THE ORGANIZATION. 
          40 OF THOSE, UH, WILL BE OPERATIONAL VOLUNTEERS THAT WILL RIDE THE FIRE ENGINE AND THE AMBULANCE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S SEVEN OF THOSE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE IN SUPPORT ROLES SUCH AS, UH, CERT MEMBERS, UH, AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, VOLUNTEERS AND TWO, TWO U UH, AUXILIARY MEMBERS. 
          JUST TWO. 
          JUST, WELL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIKE, YOU'RE ONE OF TWO. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD DAY. 
          DOING GOOD. 
          JOIN THE ORGANIZATION, GLAD HE'S A MEMBER AND IS GETTING A, AN EYE FULL AND EYE OPENING EXPERIENCE. 
          SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          BUT YEAH, WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING REALLY WELL ON THAT. 
          LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, UH, CLOSER TO 32 VOLUNTEERS, WHICH IS NOTHING TO SNEEZE AT. 
          THAT'S A LOT. 
          THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER OF MEMBERS COMING IN. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE'RE BUILDING THEIR VOLUNTEER BASE AND, UH, WE CERTAINLY, UH, YOU KNOW, NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE ABOUT 160 VOLUNTEERS. 
          I'M JUST GIVING YOU THAT APPROXIMATE NUMBER AND WE HAVE 98 EMPLOYEES. 
          AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT OUR AUX ACCELERATION, OH IS ANOTHER 50 PLUS MEMBERS THAT ARE AUXILIARY MEMBERS ACROSS THE COUNTY. 
          AND SO WE NEED ALL OF THAT, THAT, THAT HELPS, UH, MAKE US MORE EFFICIENT, KEEPS THE COST DOWN. 
          UM, AND CERTAINLY, UM, WE WANNA KEEP DOING THAT. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. 
          40, 47 VOLUNTEERS BROUGHT IN IN 2025. 
          MR ONE, I DON'T THINK THIS WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY NEW TO YOU. 
          UH, WE HAD A CIP MEETING BEFORE CHRISTMAS AND WE GOT, UH, REAL DETAILED WITH THEIR APPARATUS NEEDS. 
          UH, TWO THINGS THAT, UH, WE PROBABLY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IN THAT MEETING IS ON THE OUTER EDGE OF THIS, UH, THIS FIVE YEAR PLAN, UH, WE'LL NEED TO UP UPGRADE OUR SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO INTO A, A SMOKE FILL ATMOSPHERE AND YOU'RE WEARING A SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS OR IMMEDIATELY DANGEROUS TO HEALTH AND LIFE ATMOSPHERE, AUDIO H ATMOSPHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT EQUIPMENT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          UH, WE MAINTAIN OUR EQUIPMENT, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT READINESS. 
          UM, BUT IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT YOU REPLACE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERY 10 YEARS OR SO BECAUSE THERE ARE NEW, UH, SAFETY STANDARDS THAT COME OUT AND MORE SAFETY FEATURES INCORPORATED INTO EACH GENERATION OF, UH, SCBA. 
          BUT AS FAR AS THE FIRE ENGINES GO, I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE A, YOU ALL, UH, ARE GREAT. 
          YOU'VE, UH, POSITIONED YOURSELVES TO SAVE, UH, ALMOST 800 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER MONEY BY, UH, CONSIDERING A PROPOSAL THAT WE BROUGHT YOU, UH, IN DECEMBER FOR THREE NEW FIRE ENGINES. 
          ONE OF THOSE BEING THE REPLACEMENT OF SIX 11 THAT WAS HIT ON 2 88 AND A ONE NEW TANKER, UH, TWO BUDGET YEARS WORTH OF APPARATUS BOUGHT AT ONE TIME TO GET THOSE PRICE BREAKS. 
          BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AND JUST AS IMPORTANT, I GUESS IT'S NOT MORE IMPORTANTLY SHORT OF DELIVERY TIMES 'CAUSE WE NEED THE APPARATUS, UH, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BOARD MEMBERS. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE ON YOUR FEBRUARY 3RD AGENDA FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, I HAVE, UH, I HAVE OUR ENTIRE TEAM HERE AND THAT INCLUDES, UH, THE SHERIFF AND THE MAJOR 'CAUSE THEY'RE BOTH, UH, FIRE RESCUE MEMBERS, 
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LIFETIME FIRE RESCUE MEMBERS. 
          AND IF THERE'S, UH, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ASK, UM, WE'RE HERE TO ASK, HAVE TO TRY TO ANSWER THAT FOR YOU OR GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU AND GIVE IT TO YOU AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. 
          SO I BREATHING APPARATUS REAL WITH BEARDS, THOUGH, I CAN GET A FITTED WITH A GAS MASK  STAPLE OF PLACE. 
          SOMETIMES SOMEBODY'S GOTTA DRIVE A TANKER. 
          SIR. 
           CHIEF, WELL, STANDING THERE,  CHIEF, I THINK MR. WATERS MIGHT HAVE QUESTION. 
          OH, SORRY, EXCUSE ME. 
          I'VE GOT MORE COMMENT TO MAKE BECAUSE I AM SEEING SOMETHING, OH, I'M SORRY, YEAR OVER YEAR THAT I REALLY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO ADDRESS THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR. 
          AND WE REALLY GET TO IT BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT A CIP BUDGET THAT HAS A DEFERRED MAINTENANCE CAPEX ISSUE. 
          I'VE SAID THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE SAID THIS. 
          WE'VE GOT CONSIDERABLE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE PIPE THAT FRANKLY, IN MANY INSTANCES COULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED SOONER. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT WHILE THERE ARE GREAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE VIRTUES TO PAY AS YOU GO AND TO MORE WITH LESS, WE ARE HAVING A DEFERRED HIRING CHALLENGE AND MAKING SURE WE'VE GOT THE ADEQUATE RESOURCES. 
          AND THEN I JUST, I I WANNA PLANT THE SEED BECAUSE I REALLY DO THINK WE'VE GOT TO FIND THE WAYS, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA DIG DEEP IN OUR FINANCING. 
          WE'VE GOTTA SEE THE WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT I, I APPRECIATE TOM'S QUESTION GREATLY, BUT WE'VE BEEN ASKING THE SAME QUESTION FOR TOO MANY YEARS NOW. 
          THIS SAYS 11 OVER FIVE YEARS, BUT WHAT IF WE DO FIVE NOW? AND IT, I JUST SEE A BALL GOING FURTHER AND FURTHER DOWN, KICKING A HAND DOWN. 
          YES. 
          AND, AND I KNOW THERE COMES WITH THAT. 
          OKAY, WE'VE GOTTA FIND THOSE FUNDS, WE'VE GOTTA DO IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO PLANT A SEED. 
          WE'VE GOTTA DO IT. 
          AND I, I THINK THE NEED IS THERE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'VE MADE ACT TAKEN ACTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, HELP PREPARE THE COUNTY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO TRY AND WORK OVER TIME TO GET OUR REVENUE RATIOS RIGHT. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THESE RESOURCES ARE THERE SOONER THAN LATER. 
          WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE IN THIS. 
          AND IT'S, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE VIRTUES TO STAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND PAY AS YOU GO MODEL. 
          AND THERE ARE VIRTUES TO MORE WITH LESS. 
          AND I DON'T HOPE WE, I, I DON'T SEE THIS BEING AS AT THE SACRIFICE OF OUR WORK ETHIC IN OUR ORGANIZATION. 
          I JUST THINK WE'VE GOTTA BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES THAT 55, IF 55 MEETS THESE NUMBERS THAT THE CHIEF IS TALKING ABOUT, WE NEED TO ENDEAVOR TO GET THERE. 
          SO ONE THING THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE A POOL OF APPLICANTS WHO APPLY FOR OUR JOBS THAT HAVE PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE. 
          WE, EVERY DEPARTMENT LIKE US IS HIRING FIREFIGHTERS AND TRYING TO GET THAT POOL OF APPLICANTS THAT ALREADY HAVE EXPERIENCE. 
          SO WE HAVE TO PUT EVERYBODY THROUGH A TRAINING ACADEMY AND WE HAVE A TRAINING ACADEMY GOING RIGHT NOW THAT'S GONNA GRADUATE IN FEBRUARY. 
          SO BY THE TIME YOU BRING SOMEONE IN THAT MAY NOT HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE, TRAIN THEM, GET THEM TO THE POINT WHERE THEY GO THROUGH A FIELD INTERNSHIP PROGRAM AFTER THEY COME OUT OF THE TRAINING ACADEMY AND THEN GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY CAN BE A RELEASED, UH, DRIVER TO DRIVE A FIRE ENGINE AMBULANCE. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, TWO AND A HALF TO THREE YEARS BEFORE AN EMPLOYEE, I'LL JUST SAY CAN WORK ON HIS OR HURDLE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S THE OTHER CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS, UH, IS PROVIDING THE TRAINING, ALLOWING A PERSON WITHOUT THE EXPERIENCE TO GET THE EXPERIENCE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU GIVE, WHEN YOU BECOME A, UM, AN EMT, YOU GET A CERTIFICATION CARD AND UH, JENNIFER CAN TELL YOU SHE'S BEEN THE EMT FOR MANY YEARS, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME TIME TO DO A FIELD INTERNSHIP PROGRAM. 
          WE CALL IT PRECEPTING. 
          SO THAT YOU, UH, UNDERSTAND HOW TO, HOW TO GAIN YOUR EXPERIENCE AND USE THIS SKILL. 
          IT'S EVEN MORE SO FOR A PARAMEDIC BIGGER LEARNING CURVE FOR PARAMEDIC. 
          THIS TAKES A LITTLE WHILE. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD JOB. 
          MAJOR SHERIFF, SIR. 
          CHAIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I WOULD BE, UM, REMISS IF I DIDN'T ADD SOMETHING AND I HOPE EDDIE DOESN'T MIND ME DOING THIS, BUT AS MANY OF Y'ALL KNOW THAT MY UM, 
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MY CHILDHOOD HOME BURNT DOWN, UH, THE TWO YEARS COMING UP NEXT MONTH, UH, WHEN MY MOTHER WAS STILL ALIVE. 
          SHE, LUCKILY SHE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL WITH COVID, UH, SHE ENDED UP PASSING A YEAR LATER. 
          SO WE HAVE USED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND RESCUE SERVICES QUITE A BIT, UM, IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU HOW IT FEELS PERSONALLY WHEN YOU WATCH, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RUN OUT OF WATER AND WATCH YOUR HOUSE BURN TO THE GROUND. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID ANYTHING WRONG THAT NIGHT. 
          LUCKILY I'VE BEEN A VOLUNTEER FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND I KNOW THE PROBLEM WAS MANPOWER AND BEING ABLE TO GET TRUCKS THERE WITH WATER. 
          SO JUST PUT YOURSELF IN SOMEONE ELSE'S SHOES AND JUST THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU DO MAKE THAT DECISION ON THE NUMBER OF STAFF THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS NEED. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I SUPPORT THEM A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I KNOW FIRSTHAND, YOU KNOW, BY LOSING SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT MEANT SO MUCH TO, TO ME AND MY FAMILY OVER THE YEARS. 
          AND TRUTH BE TOLD, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT DID MY MOTHER AND UH, WITH LOSING THAT HOUSE. 
          SO WHEN YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR ME TO MENTION THAT, UH, GOING INTO ME  ASKING STUFF FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          BUT I DID WANT TO SHARE THAT. 
          I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND ME. 
          UM, THANK YOU ADDING THAT, BUT UM, FIRSTHAND INFORMATION THERE, I KNOW HOW IT FEELS. 
          SO, ALRIGHT, MOVING ON. 
          UM, ONE BOARD, DR. 
          GRAYLEY. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT AND ALSO HAVING, UH, MAJOR EAST, UM, WITH US. 
          UH, MINE IS PRETTY SHORT. 
          UM, I'M NOT COMING TO YOU ASKING FOR, UH, 10 DEPUTIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THIS YEAR. 
          UM, BUT AM COMING FOR AN ASK. 
          UM, AND BEFORE I DO THE ASK, UM, JUST GET A LITTLE BIT OF STATS THAT WE'VE HAD IS JUST SO MAKING YOU AWARE IS OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE IN 2025 OR 40,618 ALRIGHT, WHICH IS THE 7.7% INCREASE. 
          UM, IN 2022 IT WAS 30,986. 
          SO IT HAS BEEN A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE OVER THE YEARS, UM, FOR US. 
          AND IN THAT, UH, THAT WAS ALL CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR GCSO ONLY. 
          UM, NOT THE ANIMAL CONTROL, NOT THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, UM, NOT THE PHONE CALLS, UM, INTO OUR DISPATCH CENTER, WHICH IS MY ASK, UM, IS AFFECTED DISPATCH. 
          UM, THEY HAD 60 3017, UH, PHONE CALLS INTO DISPATCH AND KEEP IN MIND DUE TO A, UM, SOMEWHAT OF A FAILURE ON THE UM, IT SIDE, WE LOST A MONTH OF DATA. 
          SO AN AVERAGE IS ABOUT FIVE TO 6,000 CALLS IS WHERE WE GET APPROXIMATELY A MONTH. 
          THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE 9 1 1 CALLS. 
          WE GOT 11,000 159 9 1 1 CALLS, UH, 60 PLUS 11 60, 63 PLUS 11 PLUS FIVE OR 6,000 THAT WE LOST IN DATA COLLECTION. 
          SO E WAS OUT TO ABOUT 111, UH, CALLS, I'M SORRY, 219 CALLS PER DAY ROUGHLY THAT DISPATCH DISPATCH HANDLES, WHICH IS A LOT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, SO THE QUICK ASK FOR THIS YEAR IS A, UH, TWO DISPATCH, UH, DISPATCHERS ARE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS. 
          WE ALSO, UM, ARE GONNA BE ASKING FOR A IT DIRECTOR AS WELL. 
          UM, FORECASTING INTO 2028. 
          YOU SEE TWO MORE DISPATCHERS. 
          UH, 20, 29, 30, 31, UM, ONE DISPATCHER AS WELL. 
          UH, THEN YOU GO INTO 2029 WHERE WE START GETTING DEPUTIES, UH, COURT BAILIFFS, UM, COURT SECURITY SPECIALISTS AND EVEN A HR, UH, OFFICE ASSISTANT SLASH HR SPECIALIST DIRECTOR, UH, KIND OF THING WITH THAT, I WILL SAY THE FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT WE'VE DONE, I STARTED DOING THIS WITH JOHN KY, UH, WHEN HE WAS HERE. 
          AND ONE THING I LEARNED VERY FAST IS JUST LIKE, I'M SURE ALL OF PUBLIC SAFETY IS VERY FLUID. 
          THIS THING HAS CHANGED SINCE DR REALLY TOOK OVER. 
          UH, I MEAN IT CHANGES ALL THE TIME IF WE HEAR THAT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IS COMING UP IN WEST CREEK PARKWAY, YOU KNOW, OR IF ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX, NOT SAYING THAT THERE IS, BUT IF WE WOULD HEAR THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THIS TO ADAPT. 
          IF WE HEAR THAT THERE'S ANOTHER AVERY POINT COMING INTO WESTERN END OF THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THIS, UH, HERE. 
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SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS CLEAR THAT THIS IS FLUID, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE GET MORE GROWTH, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR UH, RESIDENTIAL, THIS MAY CHANGE OR I'M, I'M SURE IT WOULD CHANGE. 
          SO CHIEF, I'M SORRY SHERIFF. 
          SO WHEN WE HAVE THE COMMENTS ON THE CASES, DO YOU INCLUDE THAT IN THE, IN THOSE COMMENTS TO SAY, ARE YOU APPROVED THIS SUBDIVISION, I'M GONNA NEED ANOTHER HALF THE DEPUTY HERE? NO, THEY ARE NOT, THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT. 
          I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          I'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED THAT. 
          I WONDER IF WE SHOULD START DOING THAT. 
          I THINK PROBABLY SO. 
          OR FIRE RESCUE AND WE PLAN, WE PLAN WHAT WE HEAR, IT'S COMING, WE GO AHEAD AND PLAN FOR RIGHT. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT PLANNING FOR OR WE APPROVING IT 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT TOLD THAT WE NEED IT. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK IF, IF THAT'S A GREAT TIME, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT MECHANISM FOR COMMENTS TO SAY, YEAH, THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA COST YOU, WE'RE GONNA NEED TWO BOARD DEPUTIES. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S SORT OF, UH, YEAH, IN SIDE CONVERSATION WITH DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT IS SAID, CLARIFY WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO ON STAFF COMMENTS, LIKE EACH DEPARTMENT SAYS, WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PASS? SO IF WE'RE CONTEMPLATING A SUBDIVISION IN THE EAST END, UM, EACH DEPARTMENT CAN TALK ABOUT THE IMPACTS. 
          IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF FIRE RESCUE AND ALL PUBLIC SAFETY SAID THIS WILL POTENTIALLY INCREASE TO WHERE WE NEED ANOTHER HALF A DEPUTY OR FULL-TIME DEPUTY. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND PROBABLY HAVE STAFF REACH OUT TO YOU GUYS TO GET RIGHT. 
          THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS ON HAVING THAT FRIDAY. 
          GOOD. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE FOR OVER SEVERAL, SEVERAL PAST YEARS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH THE CURB SINCE WE HAVE BEEN BEHIND SO FAR IN OUR NUMBERS, WHAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE IN THE EXCELLENT JOB ON HELPING US GET THERE. 
          SURE. 
          I KNOW SHERIFF, IN, IN CONVERSATION YOU EDUCATED ME THAT THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ALSO HAS AN IMPACT IN, AND APARTMENTS WERE MENTIONED, CORRECT? NOT TOO LONG AGO IS THAT, UM, I'VE HEARD THE PHRASE THEY'RE CALL GENERATORS YES. 
          THAT THEY GENERATE CALLS. 
          YOU GOT UNIQUE THINGS WHERE YOU GOT EVICTION NOTICES, PROXIMITY TO A NEIGHBOR CREATES MORE CONFLICT. 
          AND SO IF YOU GET 300, 400, 500 UNITS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, YOU TOOK MY PARKING SPOT, YOU THROW YOUR GARBAGE IN THE CAN PROPERLY AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU STEREO'S TOO LOUD AND SO YOU GET CALLS COMING. 
          SO THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS, IS, UH, GONNA BE INDICATIVE OF WHAT YOUR FLUIDITY IS GOING TO BE. 
          SAME WITH THE CHIEF. 
          WE GET A LOT OF AVERY POINTS AND THEY HAVE BALANCE ISSUES AND CARDIAC ISSUES AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE HIGHER CALL VOLUMES. 
          SO YEAH, SOMEBODY HAS GIVEN ME NUMERICS FOR EVERY THOUSAND, UH, RESIDENTS, X NUMBER OF DEPUTIES OR FIREFIGHTERS ARE NEEDED. 
          AND THAT'S AGAIN, A STATISTIC, BUT IT, IT'S A STARTING POINT THAT WE CAN START MEASURING THE IMPACT AS MR. SAUER SAID, YOU KNOW, 500 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX COMING IN, WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON IT AND DOES IT PAY FOR ITSELF? AND IT'S LIKE, NO, IT'S A, IT'S A LOSS LEADER AND WE GOT MORE RESIDENTS, BUT THEY AREN'T GONNA COVER THE COSTS OF THE SERVICES THEY REQUIRE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WOULD SAY FOR, AND JUST, JUST A SORT OF A, RIGHT NOW, IF, IF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WOULD SAY THAT, HEY, WE'RE COMING TO WEST CREEK PARKWAY AND IT'S GONNA BE ROUGHLY A TWO YEAR TIME WHEN THEY PUT THE SHOVEL IN THE, IN THE GROUNDS BE A TWO YEAR TIME, UH, TIMEFRAME. 
          SO WE WOULD, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM TALKING TO, UH, ME OWNERS THAT THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO BUILT APARTMENT COMPLEXES, BUT IT'LL BE, I WOULD ASK FOR TWO, UH, FOR EVERY SINGLE APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR AT LEAST TWO CHAIR, IF I'M INTRIGUED BY THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. 
          UH, AND, AND SOMETHING THAT COMES TO MIND IS IF WE WERE TO SAY, OKAY, WE HAD A FIVE YEAR PLAN, AND, AND LET'S EVEN SAY IT WAS ROLLING. 
          SO IN 2028 WE HAD 2032. 
          YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING WE COULD DO IS, IS CHECK. 
          DID WE TRACK TO THAT YEAR'S PROJECTION? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT IS GOOD BY THE BOARD'S PART. 
          I MEAN, WE COULD SAY WE MET THAT IDENTIFIED NEED, THEN WE COULD HAVE AN ACTUAL, WHICH IS THE FLUIDITY FLUIDITY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND WE UNDER, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO INTO THIS KNOWING, YES, IT'S A FLUID MODEL. 
          THE FIRST THING WE CAN DO AS A BOARD IS MEET THE REQUESTED NEED. 
          THE SECOND THING WE CAN DO IS GATHER ENOUGH DATA TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT POTENTIAL, WHAT A GOOD ROLLING AVERAGE FOR THAT GAP IS. 
          MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S THESE PEOPLE PLUS, UH, 0.75 
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OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE, TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FLUIDITY. 
          BUT WE GATHER THAT DATA IN THAT WAY. 
          WHAT YOU ASKED FOR, WHERE WE VARIED WHAT YOU ASKED FOR, WHERE WE VARIED AND WE WE ROLL IT UP THAT WAY. 
          DOES THAT SEEM, I MEAN, JUST CONCEPTUALLY YEAH. 
          DOES THAT SEEM LIKE SOMETHING WE COULD WORK TOWARDS? YEAH, I UNDERSTAND DEFINITELY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          BUT I, I WILL SAY IN, IN PAST, UM, IT WAS WHEN THERE WAS TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT GROWTH OR THINGS COMING TO YOU, THE COUNTY, IT WOULD BE BE REACHING OUT TO EITHER BOARD MEMBERS OR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, NOT DR. 
          RAIL. 
          UH, HE WASN'T HERE AT THE TIME, BUT TELLING THEM DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS IS GONNA REQUIRE, WE'RE GONNA NEED THIS. 
          YEP. 
          UH, SO I WAS DOING THAT DIRECTLY WITH THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          AT THE TIME, SORRY, CHAIRMAN, BUILD A BETTER MODEL. 
          I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE, MODELING IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE STUFF YOU PUT INTO IT. 
          SO WE JUST WANNA BUILD A BETTER MODEL. 
          AND THIS IS JUST STRAIGHT AS. 
          THIS IS THE, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEAR, LIKE I SAID, PROJECTION. 
          YEP. 
          THAT I THINK IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS SOLID. 
          UH, THE 10 DEPUTIES THAT Y'ALL GAVE LAST YEAR REALLY GAVE US A, A BIG BOOST. 
          NOW IT'S JUST FILLING THEM. 
          THAT'S OUR, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STRUGGLING. 
          AND THAT'S NOT AUM THING. 
          THAT'S A NATIONWIDE THING WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU JUST CANNOT GET QUALITY PEOPLE WELL, AND IT WILL COME UP LATER. 
          AND KEEPING UP WITH THE PAY DEMANDS THAT MAKE THE MARKET SO CHALLENGING ON THAT, KIND OF, THAT SAME NOTE. 
          AND, AND THIS ISN'T JUST FOR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          IF THERE ARE ASKS ON A FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT AREN'T FULFILLED, I WOULD LIKE, DURING PRESENTATIONS, UH, LIKE A CARRIED FORWARD SECTION, LIKE WE ASKED FOR THIS, BUT WE DID NOT RECEIVE THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP US GAUGE AT WHETHER WE'RE ACTUALLY ON TARGET OR HOW FAR OFF TARGET WE ARE. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH THAT. 
          WHO DO THAT? I'M SORRY. 
          I THINK YOU'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH THAT TESTIFYING, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T MISS IT. 
          WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS WE PUT IN TWO YEARS AGO WAS EVERY POSITION THAT WAS ASKED FOR, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T ALWAYS, ALWAYS TELL US. 
          SO WE'D FIND OUT POST BUDGET, WELL, I NEEDED TWO POSITIONS. 
          I I WAS NEVER, WE WERE NEVER TOLD. 
          SO WE, THE ASK IS OF THE KIND ADMINISTRATOR TO SAY, OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT 35 POSITIONS, WE'RE ASKED, HERE'S WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING FILLING, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LEAVING ON THE TABLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          AND THEN THE BOARD SAY, WELL, WELL YOU KIND OF NEED TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY FOR THIS. 
          WHICH IS, SOME OF IT NOW IS WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL JUST SAW IN THE 35. 
          YOU KNOW, Y'ALL AT LEAST THIS BUDGET, THE WAY DR HAS IT NOW, WHICH IS A WHOLE LOT IN MY EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH SEVEN COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS IN SIX YEARS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, IT'S GOING A WHOLE LOT SMOOTHER. 
          UH, SO JUST, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST FACTUAL. 
          UM, EQUAL NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS TOO, PROBABLY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          DIFFERENT BOARD MEMBERS TO DEAL WITH. 
          UM, I, MY, I WOULD, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY MY REACTION TO THIS IS IT'S REASONABLE. 
          SO WHAT ARE IT MEANS? SO, UH, GOING INTO THE, UH, UH, DISPATCHERS SINCE THAT'S BASICALLY THE EASIEST ONE. 
          UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR TWO COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS, UM, I'LL TELL YOU. 
          SO SAME THING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, DEPUTIES, I'VE TALKED TO Y'ALL BEFORE, THAT IF I HIRE A DEPUTY RIGHT NOW, BE USUALLY A MINIMAL 18 MONTHS TO GET THEM IN A CAR BY THEMSELVES AND CAN ANSWER A 9 1 1 CALL, UH, AT LEAST 18 MONTHS AT DISPATCHER. 
          IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT ANYWHERE FROM A YEAR TO 14 MONTHS, I WOULD SAY. 
          AND A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE THAT OUR, THE DISPATCH ACADEMY ONE IS ONLY THREE TIMES A YEAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO YOU ONLY GOT THREE SHOTS AT IT. 
          THEY HAVE, WE DO A IN-HOUSE DISPATCH TRAINING, AND THEN THEY GO TO THEIR FIELD TRAINING. 
          SO TODAY I JUST REVIEWED A WEEKLY TRAINING FOR A DISPATCHER IN TRAINING, AND IT WAS WEEK 21, 22. 
          SO ON THE JOB, HANDS-ON TRAINING. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT, EVEN THOUGH THE ACADEMY THAT THEY TEACH UP AT THE REGIONAL ACADEMY IS ONLY ONE WEEK. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          IT'S IS ONE WEEK FOR DISPATCH ONE WEEK. 
          SO WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE OTHER TRAINING IN HOUSE. 
          SO, WHICH WE DO. 
          AND THEY ACTUALLY DO A PRETTY DARN GUY. 
          GOOD JOB AT IT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S ONE REASON WHY OUR SUPERVISOR, UH, TAMMY WITT WAS RECOGNIZED STATEWIDE. 
          SURE. 
          UH, FROM THE VIRGINIA SHERIFF ASSOCIATION FOR WHAT SHE DONE WITH OUR TRAINING ACADEMY. 
          WE HAVE THE MEDICAL DISPATCHERS TOO. 
          WE DO. 
          IS THAT ALL OR IS THAT ONE PER SHIFT? NO, EVERY DISPATCHER THAT WE HAVE IS EMERGENCY MEDICAL DISPATCHER, WHICH WITH THE CALL NUMBERS, AS YOU SEE WITH FIRE AND RESCUES, GOING UP TO 51,000 IS A CHANGE FOR THOSE CALLS. 
          EVERY EMERGENCY OR MEDICAL EMERGENCY, THE DISPATCHER ANSWERS THE PHONE HAS TO STAY 
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ON THE LINE WITH THEM. 
          THEY'VE HAD IT WHERE THEY, UH, COACH PEOPLE DOING CPR, CHILD BLEEDING CONTROL, CHILDBIRTH, REALLY ALL THAT. 
          YES. 
          UH, CHILDBIRTH. 
          UM, I KNOW A COUPLE DISPATCHERS ARE GONNA BE RECOGNIZED AT THE AWARD CEREMONY THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S PUT IT ON FOR A CALL THAT THEY DID. 
          BUT THEY HAVE TO STAY ON THE, STAY ON THE PHONE WITH 'EM. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT GOING ON, AND, YOU KNOW, I STARTED OFF AS A DISPATCHER. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE EMERGENCY MEDICAL DISPATCHER WHEN I FIRST STARTED, BUT YOU STILL STAYED ON THE PHONE A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, AND THEN ANOTHER CALL COMES IN, YOU HAVE TO HANG UP ON 'EM, BUT NOW THEY STAY ON THE PHONE WITH 'EM. 
          THEY COULD BE ON THE PHONE WITH 'EM FOR FIVE MINUTES, 10 MINUTES, 15, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THEM THERE. 
          UM, BUT YOU ONLY CAN TAKE SO MANY CALLS. 
          YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, WE TRY TO KEEP THREE DISPATCHERS IN THAT CENTER. 
          MY GOAL IS TO GET IT UP WHERE WE HAVE FIVE, MAYBE SIX IN THERE. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU IF WE GET THOSE, THOSE SEATS RIGHT THERE, THEY CAN TAKE 'EM. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE OPEN. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM FOR 'EM. 
          SO I'VE SEEN MICHAEL IN THERE DOING THE WIRING ON IT. 
          SO YES, THAT SORT OF GOES INTO THE NEXT CONVERSATION. 
          UH, BUT THE, THE TWO COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE FRIENDS OF OURS AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS. 
          WE HAD A SERGEANT, UH, FROM, BUT SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT CALLED 9 1 1 FOR A INCIDENT GOING ON IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO US. 
          AND HE CALLED 9 1 1 AND THEY PUT 'EM ON A RECORDING, SO ON HOLD. 
          AND HE GOT TO LISTEN TO MUSIC FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES, YOU KNOW, SO HE ENDED UP HANGING UP AND CALLING UCHIN DISPATCH, YOU KNOW, FOR ASSISTANCE. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE, UH, THAT WE, AS LONG AS I'M SHERIFF, WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AND HAVE HIM TWO NOW AND THEN TWO NEXT YEAR, AND THEN ONE, UH, EACH YEAR AFTERWARDS SO WE CAN STAFF UP DISPATCH IN THERE. 
          THE, THERE ARE LIFELINE, UH, FOR FIRE AND RESCUE FOR FUTURE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR ANIMAL PATROL AND ASSISTANCE. 
          SO MY OPINION, IT JUST, SO THE POINT IS YOU GET ALL THE CALLS THROUGH YOUR DISPATCH. 
          YES. 
          ALL PUBLIC SAFETY, EVERYTHING. 
          THE FIRE, EVERYTHING, SIR. 
          THEY EVEN MONITORED RADIO. 
          CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. 
          YEAH. 
          SHERIFF, YOU SAID THAT, UH, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF THE CAPACITY NOW. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YOU, YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE PLENTY OF THE SPACE SEATS YES. 
          FOR THEM NOW. 
          YES. 
          UM, DO YOU, I CAN'T, IS THAT, UH, DISPATCH CENTER, IS THAT GONNA BE PART OF THE NEW COURTHOUSE OR IS THAT GONNA REMAIN THE SAME? NO, SAME. 
          AND I GUESS LONG TERM, IS THAT SPACE GONNA BE ENOUGH AS, AS, AS YOU NEED TO GROW MORE DISPATCHERS? I WOULD SAY FOR THE NEXT PROBABLY 25 YEARS, IT'S GONNA BE ENOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN FIT NINE IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          24 7. 
          OKAY. 
          GO SHERIFF. 
          WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY THAT THE ACTUAL ROOM ITSELF, WHERE CALLS ARE TAKEN, VIDEO MONITORS IS 25 YEARS, IT'S ALL THE OTHER SUPPORT SYSTEMS AROUND IT WHERE YOU NEED ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE IN THE FUTURE AND SOME EXPANSION? ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE DO. 
          THAT IS, I'LL SAY ARE THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. 
          UM, EACH BREAKOUT ROOM, UH, IS INTENDED TO STAY UNOCCUPIED. 
          SO IF A EMERGENCY OPERATION, THE EVENT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, SAY THE SNOW STORE THAT'S COMING UP, UM, WHERE WE COULD PUT OTHER AGENCIES INTO BREAKOUT ROOMS. AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, OUT OF ALL THE BREAKOUT ROOMS, WE HAVE ONE OPEN IN THERE BECAUSE WE'RE, THAT WE'RE OUTTA SPACE IN THERE. 
          I MEAN, WE ARE COMPLETELY OUT SPACE FOR, FOR PEOPLE. 
          UM, AND SO YOU MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE FULL OFF ON, THEY USED FOR OFFICES. 
          THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT FIVE, NOT BREAKOUTS, JUST THE OTHER, OTHER EQUIPMENT OR WHATNOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE ONLY HAVE ONE ROOM THAT, THAT CAN BE USED. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT HAS A BREAKOUT ROOM, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS DEFINITELY WAS NOT THE INTENT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO MOVING ON TO THE IT DIRECTOR. 
          I WAS, I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO MIKE IN A SECOND. 
          UM, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE. 
          UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THE PAST ISSUES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, WITH IT. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, ONE, WE, WE DO, UH, WE DO APPRECIATE AND UH, ENJOY WORKING WITH THE CURRENT, UM, IT DEPARTMENT, UH, RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED, SOME SPECIALIZED IT, UH, KNOWLEDGE. 
          MIKE IS OUR IT GUY RIGHT NOW. 
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HE'S PLAYING CHIEF DEPUTY AND IT DIRECTOR. 
          UM, SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MIKE. 
          JUST SO IN A NUTSHELL, UM, AND THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO GOOCHLAND, THIS IS, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY IN GENERAL. 
          UM, THE SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY USES ON A DAILY BASIS IS VERY UNIQUE AND VERY SPECIALIZED. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF AS, AS THE TIME GOES ON, WE NEED TO HAVE AN IT DIRECTOR THAT UNDERSTANDS THAT SOFTWARE AND THAT HARDWARE AND THOSE SYSTEMS. AND THEY HAVE TO BE OPERATIONAL 24 HOURS DAYS, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. 
          IF, UH, IF SOMETHING GOES DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, I CAN'T, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE OUR, OUR PHONES ARE WORKING. 
          WE GOTTA MAKE SURE OUR COMPUTERS ARE WORKING. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THE GUYS AND GALS ON THE STREET DEPEND ON US OR DEPEND ON THAT SYSTEM TO BE FUNCTIONAL. 
          SO, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THE SOFTWARE WE OPERATE, WHICH IS NOTHING THAT THE COUNTY USES OVER HERE. 
          UM, AND I'VE WORKED A LOT WITH DAN AND THE COUNTY IT DEPARTMENT, UH, KEITH ON TO SPEED AS MUCH AS I CAN. 
          BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO, TO MAINTAIN ORDER FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. 
          UM, WE NEED SOMEBODY AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO HANDLE DISPATCH IT HANDLE TO MAKE SURE THE MDTS ARE FUNCTIONAL, MAKE SURE THE, UH, ALL THE NUMBER ROUTES AND STUFF INSIDE THE, THE CALL CENTER ARE UP AND RUNNING AND OPERATIONAL AT ALL TIMES. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN MANY TIMES WHERE I'LL GET A PHONE CALL AT TWO THREE IN THE MORNING AND I'LL HAVE TO REMOTE YOU TO THE SERVER AND I'LL MAKE A CHANGE TO GET CAD BACK ONLINE. 
          SO LIKE  SAID, A FEW MINUTES AGO, I WAS UNDER THE, UNDER THE, UNDER THE, UH, DISPATCH CENTER RUNNING WIRES FOR THE, UH, THE NEW DISPATCH CONSOLE. 
          SO BEEN WEARING MULTIPLE HATS. 
          I PROBABLY SPENT AT LEAST 70% OF MY TIME DOING IT ISSUES FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          UH, WHICH TAKES AWAY FROM MY DUTIES WHERE I SHOULD BE HANDLING, WORKING ON PATROL, WORKING WITH INVESTIGATIONS, OVERSEEING THE DAYDAY OPERATIONS OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          UM, SO THIS, UH, DAVID, UH, WITH THE, UH, COUNTY WAS SAYING THAT MANY OF THE COUNTIES AROUND US ARE GOING THIS WAY WITH THE, UH, HAVING AN IT DIRECTOR SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY WHO ACTUALLY IS ASSIGNED TO THE COMP CENTER OR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR WHOEVER OVERSEES THAT PART OF IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK IT'S JUST A DEFINITE NEED THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MOVING FORWARD, UM, TO GET THAT TYPE OF TRAINING SO WE CAN MAKE SURE OUR SYSTEMS ARE OPERATIONAL. 
          AND WE HAVE OVER 30 SPECIFIC APPLICATIONS, UM, THAT ARE UNIQUE TO US. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S OUR BODY CAMERAS, THAT'S OUR CAR CAMERAS. 
          UM, JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT UM, I KNOW, UH, DAN AND HIS TEAM DON'T HAVE TIME TO REALLY DIVE INTO THAT. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE FUNCTIONING AT ALL TIME. 
          SO WOULD YOU REMAIN IN THE CAPACITY OF ASSISTING LIKE THE, UH, THE IT DIRECTOR? IDEALLY WHAT HE'LL REPORT TO ME IDEALLY, AND THEN I'LL BE ABLE TO OVERSEE THE OPERATION. 
          BUT, UM, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED ALSO IS THAT LIKE OUR, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A NICE RECORDER. 
          SO WHENEVER WE HAVE 9 1 1 CALLS THAT COME TO THE CENTER, THEY GET RECORDED AND EVERY SO MANY YEARS THAT'S GONNA BE REPLACED. 
          UM, IN THE PAST, THE, UH, THAT WAS NOT ON A SCHEDULE TO BE REPLACED. 
          WE, WE FOUND THAT AS A, AS AN ISSUE AND HAD TO PUT THAT INTO THE BUDGET HERE LAST YEAR TO GET IT FIXED. 
          UM, SAME THING WITH A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS OR OTHER, UH, ITEMS BESIDE THE CENTER THAT ARE, ARE ON A SCHEDULE ARE NINE ONE ONE VESTED PHONE SYSTEMS. THEY COST, UH, UH, WE GOTTA REPLACE FIVE OF 'EM. 
          IT'S $200,000 TO REPLACE FIVE OF 'EM. 
          BUT THAT WASN'T BUDGETED FOR. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, IT WAS NOT THOUGHT ABOUT IN THE PAST. 
          I, I GUESS, I GUESS I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, IF THEY GOT INJURED OR SICK OR UNABLE TO, UH, TO PERFORM THE DUTIES, WOULD YOU STILL BE AVAILABLE AS A, YOU KNOW, AS A TEMPORARY ASSET TO YEAH, I ENJOY IT. 
          THAT'S MY THING, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO KEEP MY HANDS OUT OF IT. 
          SO THE SHERIFF WANTS ME TO STAY OUT OF IT AS MUCH AS I CAN. 
          SO I CAN DO OTHER THINGS, BUT I'LL STILL KEEP MY HANDS IN THAT POT, MAKE SURE THAT THAT, THAT THE BALL IS ROLLING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS WELL. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A, A DEPUTY WHO DOES IT COURSE AS WELL. 
          SO WE'LL DO A LOT OF DAY TO DAY MAINTAINING MCTS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE FUNCTIONAL. 
          SO, AND WE HAVE A DEPUTY THAT USED TO WORK FOR THE IT DEPARTMENT HERE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO THAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. 
          I THOUGHT IN LIKE 2023, WE MOVED THEM OVER THERE FOR THAT SUPPORT FUNCTION. 
          HE RESIGNED FROM  COUNTY AND CAME TO WORK AND APPLIED FOR THE SHERIFF, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          SO WE HIRED HIM. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, UM, THE STUFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, I KNOW YOU'RE CALLING IT FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          DOES ANY OF THIS SUPPORT THE OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE, RESCUE AND ANIMAL CONTROL? YES. 
          'CAUSE ALL ANYTHING LIKE FIRE RESCUE, ANIMAL CONTROL, THEY, THEIR LAPTOPS AND, AND UH, AND IPADS ALL ATTACHED TO OUR CAD SYSTEM. 
          SO WE DO, WE WILL HELP SUPPORT THE, UH, THEIR COMPUTERS, MAKE SURE THEY'RE CONNECTED TO THE CAD SYSTEM AND UM, ENSURE THEY'RE HAVE GOOD CONNECTIVITY. 
          SO THE LOOKING AT YOUR STAFFING PLAN, I'VE NEVER SEEN WHEN A NEW IT DIRECTOR GETS ON BOARD ANYWHERE THAT THEY'RE SOLE CONTRIBUTOR. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE PLANNING ONCE THEY GET IN THERE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING YOUR IT STAFF. 
          WELL I'LL TELL YOU THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, HIS OR HER ASSIGNMENTS IS UM, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LIKE IT BUDGET THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE BY THE COUNTY. 
          IT UH, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, 'CAUSE IT IS STILL GONNA BE LIKE HYBRID, YOU KNOW, SOME WITH THE COUNTY AND SOME WITH US AND THEY WILL 
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BE WORKING WITH THEM ONE FROM BUDGET STUFF, YOU KNOW, FORECAST AND BE THAT FOURTH THINKING THAT WE NEED. 
          UM, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF STAFFING ARE THEY GONNA NEED IN THE FUTURE? BUT WE WERE WAITING TO GET THEM ON BOARD WITH THEIR EXPERTISE FIRST. 
          BUT IT'S POTENTIALLY ANOTHER BOARD YOU COULD SAY, WELL WE HAD THE CONVERSATION WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA HAVE. 
          NEIL SAID WE COULD HAVE. 
          WELL I WOULD SAY, I MEAN I'VE HAD JUST CONVERSATIONS ONE ON ONE WITH DAN AND YOU KNOW, ABOUT OUR IT ON THIS SIDE. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT WAY FOR US TO START THE CONVERSATION TO REALLY START COLLECTING DATA ON THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE ARE SEEING AROUND US. 
          WHERE IF WE HIRE THE RIGHT IT DIRECTOR, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR AGENTS, AGENTS BY TECHNOLOGY AGENT, YOU KNOW, AI AGENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE ALLOWING FOR EFFICIENCIES TO BE IMPLEMENTED. 
          NOW? I DON'T, THERE'S NO, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS AN ANSWER, BUT THESE ARE THE PLACES WHERE WE CAN START TO GO INTO THAT REALM AND SAY AN FTE DOES NOT LOOK LIKE, OH SORRY, THE OUTPUT CAN BE ACHIEVED IN OTHER WAYS THAN JUST AN FTE OR JUST, YOU KNOW. 
          AND UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK IT'S A GREAT WAY TO TASK THIS NEW PERSON TO SAY, LOOK, WE, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE THE RESOURCES, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE GET A BLUNT. 
          AND WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAS THE, THAT IS UNIQUE AS IN WE WOULD LOVE TO FIND SOMEONE WHO HAS, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE, UH, AT LEAST PASSED LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE, UM, THAT EVEN POSSIBLY COULD EVEN BE SWORN IN, UH, AS A DEPUTY, YOU KNOW, TO ASSIST AND HELP OUT WITH SOME OTHER THINGS AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE SORT OF LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH UM, AARON, THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN A, UM, SUCCESS, YOU KNOW, FOR HIM. 
          HE HANDLES A LOT OF IT, BUT HE'S A SWORN DEPUTY. 
          I CAN PULL YOU OVER TOMORROW IF YOU WANTED TO, UM, FOR WORK, A CASE WHERE CRASH OR HELP OUT WITH DIFFERENT INVESTIGATIONS AND THAT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT OF A BONUS TO HAVE SOMEBODY IN THERE THAT THAT'S SWORN IN AND HELP OUT WITH COURT AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO IF WE CAN FIND SOMEONE LIKE THAT, THAT'S THE GYM THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          AND DR. 
          IS THIS, THAT WHAT YOU MENTIONED IN REGARDS TO THE BREAKOUT ROOMS MM-HMM . 
          I ASSUME THAT WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING A DEEP CONVERSATION OF THAT ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE SPACE YES. 
          STUDY RIGHT. 
          THAT THAT WILL COME FRONT AND CENTER VERY SOON. 
          YEAH. 
          POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR UTILIZING THE ENTIRE COURTHOUSE COMPLEX FOR PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MAYBE TAKING THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE IN THE EOC CENTER AND MOVING THEM TO A TRADITIONAL OFFICE SPACE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT SPACE STUDY IS PRETTY CLOSE TO BEING FINALIZED. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BE DIGGING IN. 
          YES SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I WILL GIVE EACH ONE OF Y'ALL AN INVITE TO COME TOWARD THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AT ANY TIME SO YOU CAN SEE IT, SEE IT FIRST, SEE OUR SPACE ISSUES FIRSTHAND. 
          WE ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE NEW COURTHOUSE SO IT ALL PART OF THE COMPLEX. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT I MEAN, MAYBE LATER ON WE NEED TO GET EDUCATED ON WHAT THAT WOULD DO FOR YOU. 
          I THINK THE BEST WAY IS GIVING YOU A TOUR OF IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF THERE'S, AND I DON'T KNOW, I'D HAVE TO LEAN ON TARA ABOUT AS DOING A TOUR, JUST SO YOU DON'T LOCK A BOARD HAS DONE IT BEFORE IN THE PAST. 
          UNDERSHERIFF AGNEW WITH THE ENTIRE BOARD HAS TAKEN A FIELD TRIP TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BEFORE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE. 
          NOTHING WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CIP UH, NOT TOO LONG AGO. 
          UM, UH, THE ONES FOR THIS YEAR, AS YOU CAN SEE IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE RADIO TOWER. 
          UM, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          THE LAST ONE. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MIKE IS HERE FOR THAT. 
          THEN THE OTHER THING FOR FY 27 IS OUR WEAPON, UH, SYSTEM REPLACEMENT. 
          WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS OUR SIDE OFFS AND THE MANUFACTURER, UH, RECOMMENDS EVERY 10 YEARS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS THE AMOUNT OF, UH, ROUNDS WE PUT DOWN RANGE, UM, WITH OPEN RANGE WITH OUR QUALIFYING, UH, ALL THAT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ROUNDS THAT GO THROUGH THERE. 
          SO THAT IS A, UM, THOSE ARE JUST FOR THIS YEAR. 
          AND THEN SOME, UH, FUTURE, UH, ONES THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET A COUPLE GRANTS FOR THE FY 28 FOR THE 9 1 1 COMMUNICATIONS COUNCIL. 
          WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT YET. 
          UH, IN 2028. 
          AND THEN ALSO TAGGING ALONG WITH THE, UH, COURTHOUSE PROJECT IS WE WILL HAVE TO MOVE THE IMPOUND LOT. 
          UM, AND YOU SEE THE AMOUNT THERE, ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN TWO YEAR SPLIT, UH, FOR THE IMPOUND LOT, UM, RELOCATION. 
          'CAUSE ONCE WE MOVED THAT WE HAVE TO, 
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UH, CHANGE IT. 
          'CAUSE THE WAY WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN THERE, WE HAD LESS RESTRICTIONS AND, AND RULES AND STUFF IN THERE. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLES. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK I SHARED WITH A FEW OF Y'ALL JUST HOW ONE ELECTRIC VEHICLE, IF IT'S, IF IT'S IN EVIDENCE AND IT'S INVOLVED IN A, IN A CRASH IN THE IMPOUND LOT, WE HAVE TO HAVE 50 FEET ALL THE WAY AROUND IT. 
          YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT CAN START FIRE. 
          CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          BUT IT CAN START FIRE. 
          IT CAN CATCH FIRE UP TO ROUGHLY 90 DAYS AFTER THE CRASH. 
          SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT 50 FEET, UM, RADIUS AROUND, WHICH MAKES YOU EXTEND IT TO A PRETTY LARGE LOT. 
          UM, THEN IT GOES IN FOR THE SHERIFF ADMINISTRATION UP, UH, UPDATES SHOULD BE UPGRADES, UH, 300, UH, THOUSAND THAT WOULD SORT OF GO IN HELPING OUT WITH THE COURTHOUSE AND THE, HOPEFULLY SOME FIXES FOR THE SPACE, UM, YOU KNOW, LATER ON AT THAT TIME. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE CAD RMS UH, UPGRADE 1.5. 
          THAT IS THE, UM, WHERE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, CENTRAL SQUARE, UH, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING SOME BANDAIDS ON THAT. 
          WE'RE PRETTY HAPPY WITH THE LAST BANDAID. 
          UH, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, IT IS KNOCKING AT ITS END OF LIFE. 
          UM, AND THAT WILL BE IN FY 30 IS WHEN WE WOULD REPLACE THAT. 
          AND THAT DOES AFFECT, UH, FIRE RESCUE, ANIMAL CONTROL. 
          THEY USE THAT SYSTEM JUST AS MUCH. 
          UH, AT LEAST ON THE CAD I THINK WE USED RMS, UH, A LOT MORE. 
          UH, AND THAT CAD, WE GOT THE CAD SYSTEM BACK IN 2008. 
          SO FOR SOFTWARE, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD LIFESPAN AND IT'S GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE TO KEEP IT. 
          'CAUSE THE MAINTENANCE COST EVERY YEAR KEEPS GOING UP. 
          BUT 10% KICKER, I BELIEVE IT'S, SO IT'S GETTING PRETTY EXPENSIVE. 
          AND THEN, UH, LAST IS THE SALLY FORD UPGRADES, UH, WHICH IT'S BE A WHOLE LOT EASIER FOR YOU TO SEE IT, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          UH, BUT THERE ARE SOME SAFETY CONCERNS, UH, FOR IT. 
          AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST. 
          UH, AS YOU SEE IN GS IS GENERAL SERVICES THAT THAT'LL BE IN THEIR BUDGET, UH, AS WELL THAT'S BEEN ASKED IN THE PAST AND JUST, UM, HAS BEEN, UM, DENIED. 
          WHAT IS, WHERE'S THE SALLY PORT? IS THAT FOR THE COURTHOUSE OR? YES. 
          NO, NOT FOR THE NEW COURTHOUSE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          ON THERE WHERE BASICALLY YOU CAN STAND ON THE SIDE OF IT AND JUMP IN IF YOU WANT TO. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERNS THERE. 
          UH, WITH OUR NUMBER OF STAFFING AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE ARE SHORT, UH, WHEN WE TRANSPORT PRISONERS, WE BRING THEM IN. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE EXTRA PEOPLE IN THERE JUST FOR THAT CONCERN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ON THE, UH, THE CAD RMS UPGRADES, YOU SAID THERE WERE THE, THE COST TO RUN THE OLDER SOFTWARE IS GETTING INCREMENTALLY LARGER. 
          IS THAT ALSO PART OF THE, LIKE IS IT, DO YOU GUYS HAVE, IS THE HARDWARE THAT THAT SOFTWARE IS COMPATIBLE WITH NEAR ITS END OF LIFE AS WELL? SO FORTUNATELY LAST YEAR WE JUST DID AN UPGRADE WITH THE DAN AND IT, WE UPGRADED THE SERVERS, UM, TO VIRTUAL MACHINES AND THEY, WE SHOULD BE GOOD FOR QUITE A WHILE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE SERVER UPGRADE ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT THE MAINTENANCE FEES ARE GOING UP EVERY YEAR WITH CENTRAL SQUARE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'VE PUT IT ON IN THIS YEAR THINKING ABOUT THE COURTHOUSE AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME MODULES THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED WITH A NEW COURTHOUSE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE SECURE FACILITY IN THE BOTTOM WITH THE CONTROL, UH, CENTER. 
          SHERIFF, DO YOU SEE ANYTHING OF CONCERN FINANCIALLY POTENTIALLY COMING OUTTA THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY? YEAH, UM, I'VE SEEN A COUPLE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE QUALIFIED IMMUNITY IS ALL IS ON THE TABLE. 
          AGAIN, I READ THE BILL FOR THAT JUST THE OTHER DAY. 
          UM, THAT'S, THAT'S AN ISSUE. 
          SOME, UH, FO LAWS AND ALL THAT WHERE WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, UH, GIVE REIMBURSED FOR SOME OF THE FOS THAT GIVE OUT, WHICH IS FINE, WON'T PEOPLE TO KNOW STUFF. 
          BUT IT IS UN IT IS AN UNFUNDED MANDATE. 
          AND THERE'S SOME OTHERS THAT, UH, I'M VERY ACTIVE AND INVOLVED WITH THE VIRGINIA SHERIFF ASSOCIATION AND THE UNQUALIFIED IMMUNITY FOR THOSE THAT HAVE GET, THAT'S FROM MORE FROM A STAFFING PERSPECTIVE OF FOLKS SAY, HEY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE MY BACK, I PROBABLY DON'T. 
          THIS IS A CAREER. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL THE PROB YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT WE PROBABLY WOULD LOSE PEOPLE QUALIFIED COMMUNITY WENT AWAY. 
          'CAUSE EVEN JUST ON THE FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS THAT, UH, CAN GET THROWN OUT OR, YOU KNOW, NOT THROWN OUT. 
          LIKE, UM, BUT IF WE WOULD, WE WOULD DEFINITELY LOSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WITHOUT A DOUBT. 
          WE'D PROBABLY LOSE 50% WE IF THAT GOES 15. 
          15. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR, UM, A LOT OF OUR DEPUTIES. 
          AND THEY, I THINK THEIR QUESTION, THEIR CAREER 
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CHOICE. 
          UM, I WOULD, YEAH, BECAUSE, AND I'M, I CUT YOU OFF. 
          YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ASSOCIATION THAT YOU OH, WITH THE VIRGINIA SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF BILLS. 
          I I THINK I HAVE ABOUT 10 THAT I GOT TODAY THAT I HAVEN'T READ YET, UM, THAT I'M GONNA BE READING TONIGHT, GOING OVER AND READING THEM AND, AND WHETHER WE'RE GONNA SUPPORT 'EM OR NOT. 
          BUT I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, UH, UNFUNDED MANDATES AND WE ALWAYS GET UNFUNDED MANDATES FOR TRAINING. 
          THAT'S EVERY YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SHERIFF MAJOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANKS GUYS. 
          THANKS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
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WELL, AS CLIFF IS SETTLING INTO THE HOT SEAT. 
          YEAH, WOOHOO. 
          UM, WANTED TO JUST FRAME THIS NEXT LITTLE BIT OF, OF INFORMATION FOR YOU. 
          AND SO I, WHAT WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE, UH, IS REALLY GREAT WORK BY OUR INTERNAL HR TEAM LED BY CLIFF. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL HIRE A THIRD PARTY TO DO WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE. 
          AND SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE HAVE UTILIZED OUR OWN INTERNAL EXPERTISE AND OUR OWN INTERNAL RESOURCES AND JUST REALLY PROUD OF CLIFF AND THE WORK THAT HE'S DONE TO GIVE US A COMPETITIVE ANALYSIS COMPARED TO WHERE WE ARE WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS AROUND US. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS THROUGH A HEALTH INSURANCE STANDPOINT, THROUGH A SALARY STANDPOINT. 
          AND SO, JUST REALLY PROUD OF HIS WORK AND, UH, THANKFUL FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT HE'S PUT INTO THIS. 
          AND JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO DECIDE WHERE WE GO IN THE FUTURE, WHICH YOU HAVE TO HAVE BASELINE DATA ULTIMATELY TO, TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          UH, AND SO OUR GOAL IS THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WE SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH YOU AND WE UPDATE IT ON A REGULAR BASIS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE WERE, WHERE WE'RE GOING, WHERE WE, UH, HAVE GROWN AND WHERE WE CAN CELEBRATE, YOU KNOW, POSITIVE MOVEMENT ALONG THIS ANALYSIS. 
          SO CLIFF, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. 
          WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS BOARD, THANKS AGAIN FOR HAVING ME. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THIS FORWARD THINKING, UH, DATA THAT WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH. 
          THE FIRST ONE WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, THERE IS A HANDOUT IF YOU WANT, A EASIER WAY TO LOOK AT THE HEALTH PLAN ANALYSIS. 
          THERE'S A BIGGER PIECE OF PAPER RIGHT THERE, BUT, UH, WE'LL BE REFERRING TO THAT SHORTLY. 
          UM, SO I WAS ASKED TO DO A HEALTH INSURANCE ANALYSIS, BASICALLY MEASURING WHAT THE COST FOR AN EMPLOYEE AND THE COST FOR THE COUNTY IS, UM, AT VARYING LEVELS, WHETHER IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL PLAN, INDIVIDUAL PLUS ONE INDIVIDUAL PLUS FAMILY AND THE LIKE. 
          UM, WE ARE COMPARING OURSELVES AND THE SCHOOLS. 
          WE HAVE DATA FOR THE SCHOOLS, LUIN COUNTY SCHOOLS PLUS CHESTERFIELD AND OVER RECO, PALAT AND LOUISA. 
          THESE COMPARISONS WERE MADE TO LIKE, UH, PLAN. 
          SO WE, WE CHOSE THE AA 500 PLAN FOR, UH, OUR COUNTY. 
          AND THEN WE PROJECTED THROUGH THE REST OF THE, UH, LOCALITIES WHAT THEIR COSTS WERE FOR, UH, BASICALLY AN EQUIVALENT PLAN. 
          UM, FOR GOODIN COUNTY, IT IS KEY FIVE KEY ADVANTAGE 500. 
          AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DATA MISSING HERE 'CAUSE I COULDN'T GET INRI COAT TO COOPERATE ENTIRELY. 
          BUT, UH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR PRESENTATION, I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. 
          SO, UM, AS WE FLIP OVER HERE, UM, WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING FROM, UH, LEFT TO RIGHT IS EACH, UH, LOCALITY US THE SCHOOLS, CHESTERFIELD, HANOVER, ICO, PALATAN, AND LOUISA GORDON CROSS. 
          UM, YOU MAY NOTE THAT, UM, PALATAN AND LOUISA ALSO USE KEY ADVANTAGE 500 PLANS. 
          UM, ONE OF THEM IS ACTUALLY WITH THE LOCAL CHOICE LIKE WE ARE WITH PALAM. 
          WEA IS NOT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS STUFF TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE. 
          YOU, YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING YOU GUYS TO REALLY DIG DEEP IN THIS, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN. 
          BUT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEDUCTIBLES OUT OF POCKET OFFICES, IT'S VERY COMPARABLE ACROSS, UM, EACH LOCALITY. 
          UH, THE BIG, THE BIG WIN OR INFORMATION I REALLY WANNA CALL EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION TO IS THE GREEN BARS AT THE BOTTOM. 
          SO JUST LOOKING AT GUIN COUNTY'S COLUMN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COST FOR AN EMPLOYEE, ONLY FOR THE EMPLOYEE FOR THIS, UH, VERY, VERY COMPETITIVE HEALTH PLAN AT $50, $50 A MONTH, UM, YOU CAN SEE WHAT OUR CONTRIBUTION AS A COUNTY IS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. 
          UH, SO, UM, THE PLAN COSTS $807. 
          UH, THE, UH, COUNTY IS PICKING UP $757 OF THAT. 
          UH, AND AS YOU GO DOWN, AGAIN, LOOKING 
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AT OURS, EMPLOYEE PLUS A CHILD, 2 78 EMPLOYEE PLUS A SPOUSE, ALSO 2 78 FAMILY PLANS, UH, WITH CHILDREN OR WITH THE CHILDREN AND THE SPOUSE ARE 5 28. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU JUST GO ACROSS IT IN THE BOTTOM SQUARES, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT SCHOOLS IS SLIGHTLY MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          AND PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME, WELL, WHY IS THAT? WELL, I, I THINK THAT HAS TO DO WITH HOW THEY'VE CHOSEN TO BUDGET, UM, THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO THE PLAN. 
          BUT IF YOU GO A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE, AGAIN, WE JUST STICK WITH EMPLOYEE ONLY. 
          AND CHESS FIELD, IT'S $126. 
          HANOVER 1 77 REC OF 1 23 DROPS DOWN IN PALLET 10 TO 56, AND THEN LUIS SAYS 1 33. 
          SO OVER THE YEARS, THIS BOARD, UH, THE BOARDS HAVE DONE AND, AND THE COUNTY, UH, HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF HONESTLY ABSORBING THE COST. 
          UH, IF WE LOOK AT THE FAMILY PLAN, YOU GOTTA SAY IF THERE WAS A MORE PRO GLIN PRO-FAMILY COUNTY THAN GLAND, IT'S NOT, I'M NOT SEEING IT HERE, UH, MAYBE SOME OTHER JURISDICTION. 
          BUT WITH THE FOLKS THAT WE MOSTLY COMPETE WITH, WE ARE VERY COMPETITIVE AT FIVE 20. 
          VERY COMPETITIVE. 
          DOESN'T EVEN COVER IT. 
          WE ARE REALLY COMPETITIVE AT 5 28 FOR A FAMILY. 
          WHEREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, HANOVER MIGHT BE $1,207 FOR A FAMILY PLAN. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THESE WERE ALL, THIS IS ALL INFORMATION THAT WAS COLLATED FROM THE COUNTIES THEMSELVES. 
          SO THIS WAS SHARED FOR THEIR 20 25, 20 26 PLAN. 
          THIS IS APPLES TO APPLE. 
          SO AGAIN, YOU CAN GET IN A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE WEEDS ON THE DETAIL, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE WANT TO ADDRESS AND TALK ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND ARE LOOKING AT WHAT DOES THE COUNTY WANNA BE IN RELATIONSHIP TO TAKING CARE OF ITS EMPLOYEES, THIS IS A BIG COMPONENT. 
          THE HEALTH PLAN, I GOTTA TELL YOU, MY WIFE SAYS, I'M NEVER LEAVING. 
          IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE 80, I'M STILL GONNA BE HERE CRACKING AWAY AT HR. 
          UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT, IT IS, AND NOT ONLY THAT, IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY, AS A, UM, AS OUR HEALTHCARE PROVIDER SPEAKS TO US, HE SAYS IT'S A, WE TAKE CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          SO ANYHOW, THAT'S THE FIRST PIECE OF DATA I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS. 
          AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TAKE WITH YOU. 
          SO, BOARD MEMBERS, BEFORE WE TRANSITION OFF THIS SLIDE, SO JUST ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE $500 DEDUCTIBLE PLAN. 
          THAT'S 103 EMPLOYEES. 
          THIS IS NOT THE, THE MAJOR SECTION OF SUBSCRIPTIONS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE TAKEN THE $250 DEDUCTIBLE PLAN, 166 EMPLOYEES. 
          NOW, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THE $250 PLAN HERE BECAUSE EVERY OTHER COMPARISON ENTITY HAS A $250 DEDUCTIBLE PLAN. 
          WE ARE KIND OF UNIQUE IN THAT MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE CHOOSING THE 250 PLAN. 
          SO JUST FOR APPLES TO APPLES, WE WENT WITH 500, WHICH IS 103 OF OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, SO MOVING ON TO THIS HOUR ANALYSIS. 
          UH, UH, THIS COMPENSATION ANALYSIS WAS, I'M GONNA READ A LITTLE BIT HERE, DESIGNED TO FOCUS ON SIMILAR POSITIONS AND LOCALITIES THAT GENERALLY PERFORM THE SAME WORK AS POSITIONS AS IN UCHIN COUNTY. 
          THIS IS BASED ON PUBLICLY AVAILABLE DATA. 
          SO, UM, I I, I WANNA SLOW DOWN ABOUT THAT STATEMENT. 
          GENERALLY PERFORM THE SAME WORK AS POSITIONS IN GUCCI COUNTY. 
          ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING AS WE GO ALONG IS ANNUALLY WE WILL CONTINUE TO, UM, REFINE WHAT ARE GENERALLY ACCEPTED AS COMPARABLE POSITIONS FROM COUNTY TO COUNTY. 
          UM, AND I THINK AS THE, AS WE GROW UP AS A COUNTY, WE'RE GONNA ALSO BECOME MORE AND MORE LIKE OTHER LARGER COUNTIES, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF EMPLOYEE IS. 
          BUT FOR TODAY, UM, WE ARE GENERALLY FINDING PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE SAME POSITION. 
          NOW FOR THIS, UM, ANALYSIS, WE DID ADD, UM, NEW KENT TO OUR LIST. 
          SO IT'S HENRICO, HOWEVER, CHESTERFIELD, PALATAN, LUISA AND NEW KEN. 
          UM, I WANNA MENTION THE STUFF ON THE BOTTOM HERE. 
          UH, WE MADE EVERY ATTEMPT OF COMPARE COMPARABLE POSITIONS WITH SIMILAR TITLES, RESPONSIBILITIES, AND WORK ASSIGNMENTS. 
          HOWEVER, WE, WE ARE UNIQUE AS A TEAM. 
          UM, SOME OF OUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WHERE OUR STAFF ARE PERFORMING MULTIPLE TASKS THAT OTHER COUNTIES ARE NOT DOING, WE MENTIONED THAT, UM, IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, THESE SAME ROLES MAY BE SPECIALIZED WITH A FOCUS FOR ONE ASPECT OF WORK. 
          SO EXAMPLES OF THAT OFFICE IS WHERE THIS IS THE CASE, INCLUDE THE COMMISSION OF REVENUE WITH DMV, SELECT CLIP OF COURT, TREASURER AND ASSESSOR. 
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AND A AS A CLEAR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, JURISDICTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE DOES NOT HAVE, UH, DMV SELECT AND THEIR PEOPLE ARE ASSIGNED ON ONLY TO ONE PIECE OF, UH, THE DUTIES THAT ARE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR WITHIN THAT ORGANIZATION. 
          OUR TEAM, AS DR. 
          LEY HAS ALLOTTED, THEY'RE EXCEPTIONAL WITH THE AMOUNT OF CROSS TRAINING, UH, AMOUNT OF, UH, KNOWHOW THAT EACH EMPLOYEE TAKES ON. 
          AND THAT TRANSLATES INTO THE ENTIRE COUNTY. 
          BUT SPECIFICALLY THESE, WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE A CALL OUT HERE AS WE GO ALONG. 
          SO, UM, NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, SO WE COLLECTED MIDPOINT AND MINIMUM SALARIES HERE. 
          NOW, RECOGNIZE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          THIS ISN'T, HOW MUCH DO PEOPLE MAKE, THIS IS IF YOU ARE A STARTER LEVEL EMPLOYEE OR AN ENTRY LEVEL EMPLOYEE AND YOU ARE COMING INTO POSITION X, Y, Z, THE COUNTY, OUR COUNTY, OTHER COUNTIES, WE SAY THAT OUR MINIMUM RATE IS THIS AMOUNT, $40,000, $60,000, WHATEVER IT IS, WE RECOGNIZE THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO COLLECT SOMETHING THAT WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO WHAT IF YOU HIRE SOMEBODY THAT IS NOT AN ENTRY LEVEL PERSON, SO CHOSE THE MIDPOINT. 
          UM, AS A JUMPING OFF POINT, AGAIN, THIS ISN'T TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HOW MUCH PEOPLE MAKE IT IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTIES WOULD ADVERTISE IF THEY'RE POSTING THE POSITION, UH, WHAT THEIR MIN, WHAT THEIR MAX, WHAT THEIR MID POINT MIGHT BE. 
          AND THESE ARE ALL, AGAIN, BASED ON THEIR, UM, PAY PLANS. 
          NOW, UM, WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT ISSUES WE HAVE WITH SOME OF THEIR PAY PLANS, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE, UH, CONTEXT FOR A POTENTIAL CAREER EMPLOYEE. 
          UH, NOW NOT ALL POSITIONS ARE REPRESENTED FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE A SLIDE, UH, FOR A CLERK OF COURT. 
          UM, MOST OF THAT IS NOT ADVERTISED. 
          UM, AND IT'S GETTING BLOOD OUT OF A STONE. 
          HONESTLY, THEY, THEY WON'T BE SHARED. 
          I, I CAN'T GET IT OUT. 
          BUT I THINK AS WE GO ANNUAL WITH THIS, EVERY YEAR WE'LL GET MORE AND MORE OF THOSE POSITIONS WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE WILLING TO SHARE WITH US AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET MORE OF AN IDEA OF WHAT PAY WERE HAPPENING FOR THE COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          UH, AND FOR, UH, THE CLERK OF COURT, UH, I WANNA REFER TO THE TABLE ON THE RIGHT. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MIDPOINT, THE QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU MEAN MIDPOINT? WELL, UM, BEST PRACTICE, AND THIS IS DONE ACROSS A LARGE PART OF VIRGINIA AND IN A LOT OF OTHER PLACES I'VE BEEN, UH, THEY BASICALLY SAY, OKAY, YOUR, YOUR STARTER RATE IS YOUR MINIMUM RATE. 
          YOUR MAXIMUM RATE IS WHAT SOMEBODY CAN EXPECT TO EARN AFTER 30 YEARS WITHIN A CAREER WITHIN THAT ROLE. 
          AND YOU TAKE THE MIDPOINT, OBVIOUSLY, AND YOU DIVIDE THAT BY TWO. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW MUCH PERCENTAGE CAN A POSITION GROW AND WHAT EACH COUNTY IS UTILIZING AS THAT PERCENTAGE. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, OCH AND CHESTERFIELD, HENRICO AND HANOVER, WHERE I'VE GOT CAREER PERIOD 30 YEARS, THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING YOU SHOULD BE 35% ABOVE MINIMUM OR IN A 30 YEAR CAREER, 70%. 
          THAT IS THE, UH, STANDARD THAT WE'RE SEEING THROUGHOUT VIRGINIA. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THE SMALLER COUNTIES, PELOTON, NEW KENT, LOUISA ARE, HAVE SHRUNK THAT NUMBER. 
          SO, UH, OVER A PERIOD OF 15 YEARS AND NEW KENT EMPLOYEE COULD EXPECT MAYBE A 17 AND A HALF ABOVE THE MINIMUM. 
          UH, AND LOUISA IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT, 32% AND HASN'T QUITE CAUGHT UP. 
          AND, UH, PAL 10 IS ONLY AT 30. 
          SO THESE ARE JUST THINGS TO CONSIDER THAT EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA SEE, POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA SEE AS THEY SEEK WORK ELSEWHERE ELSE IS THAT, I KNOW SOMETIMES WE GET BEST PRACTICES THAT STOOD TRUE FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS, BUT WITH THE INFLATION WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST THREE YEARS YEAH. 
          IS THAT FACTORING, IS, IS THAT BEING FACTORED INTO 70% GROWTH OVER 30 YEARS? 35% GROWTH? RIGHT. 
          SO I MEAN, YOU'D BE TAKING A PAY DECREASE N NOW, UH, OVER TIME. 
          YEAH, AND I, I THINK THAT COUNTY'S GONNA HAVE TO LOOK LONG AND HARD AT IT. 
          IF WE LOOK AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, WE ARE WITH OUR SISTER COUNTY CHESTERFIELD AND REC HANOVER. 
          WE'RE IN LOCK STACK WITH THEM. 
          UM, WE PERFORMED A SALARY ANALYSIS, UH, WITH EVERGREEN, UH, IN 2022 SLASH 2023. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THEY LANDED AFTER COMPARING, UH, I THINK THEY DID 14 COMPARATORS, NOT JUST THE, UM, 
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SEVEN THAT ARE IN OUR GROUP HERE TODAY. 
          AND I, MY EXCITEMENT IS, IS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THIS ANNUALLY AND SEE WHERE EVERYBODY IS TRENDING AND COLLECT THE DATA TO YOUR POINTS IN THE PAST. 
          SO YES, WE'LL BE REALLY PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION. 
          'CAUSE 70% MIGHT NOT EVEN TAKE CARE OF HYPERINFLATION IN 2029 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO AGAIN, UM, WE DID CROSSWALK AND, AND, UH, CHIEF, UH, MENTION THE CROSSWALK THOUGHT PROCESS, UH, EARLIER. 
          WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS, IS THAT, UM, WE DID EV WE MADE EVERY ATTEMPT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SAY, UM, HR ANALYST, WHAT DOES AN HR ANALYST DO? OH, MAYBE THAT'S CALLED AN HR COORDINATOR IN LOUISA. 
          OR MAYBE THAT'S CALLED AN HR, YOU KNOW, MANAGER IN ANOTHER, ANOTHER SMALLER, UH, ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO, UM, DID A LOT OF CALLING AROUND TO TRY TO NARROW THAT DOWN. 
          I THINK WE'LL GET BETTER AT THAT TOO. 
          AS AGAIN, I CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH HR DEPARTMENTS AND LEADERS THROUGHOUT THIS GROUP AND, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE STATE. 
          SO, UM, AS WE GO ALONG, THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          THERE'S, YOUR EYE IS GONNA BE DRAWN TO NUMBERS ON EACH CHART. 
          UM, IT'S JUST HUMAN NATURE. 
          WHAT WE REALLY WANNA DO IS KIND OF PULL BACK A LITTLE BIT. 
          YOU'LL HAVE ALL THE DATA TO LOOK AT AND UM, IT'S, IT'S GOOD STUFF THAT WE REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON THE MEDIAN. 
          SO WHEN I SAY MEDIAN, IT'S NOT AVERAGE. 
          UH, SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'LL JUST FLIP TO THE FIRST CHART HERE. 
          THIS IS ANIMAL CARE. 
          UM, THE MEDIAN RATE FOR A ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICER, FROM WHAT I GATHER, IS US BY MEDIAN. 
          THERE. 
          WE HAVE SEVEN COUNTIES AND WE CHOSE AN ODD NUMBER OF COUNTIES ON PURPOSE SO THAT WE COULD COME OUT WITH SEVEN AND SAY, OKAY, NUMBER FOUR IS THE MID, THE MEDIAN MIDPOINT. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THAT FOR ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICER. 
          WE ARE, UH, A STARTER RATE AT 4, 9, 6 3 3. 
          OUR MIDPOINT IS 67 0 5. 
          NOW WHETHER COUNTIES ARE HIRING TO THEIR STANDARDS AND TO THEIR PAY PLANS IS ANOTHER TOPIC. 
          THIS JUST BASICALLY IS WHAT IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE FROM THEM. 
          AND WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AS I'VE TALKED TO DEPARTMENTS, MANY DEPARTMENTS WHERE WE KNEW FOR SURE THAT WHILE THEY'RE PUBLISHING A RATE X, Y, Z, THEY'RE HIRING AT AND THEY'RE ADVERTISING AT A A, B, C. 
          SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN YET. 
          WE WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS, UH, RELATIVELY CLOSELY. 
          SO, UM, AS WE GO DOWN HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IN THE ANIMAL PROTECTION, ANIMAL CARE PROTECTION DEPARTMENT, WE'RE EITHER YELLOW OR A LITTLE BIT RED. 
          AND RED SOMETIMES CAN BE, YOU KNOW, DANGER WILL ROBINSON OR RED COULD BE, WE'RE SLIGHTLY BELOW THE MEDIAN. 
          AND THAT'S A TALKING POINT AS TO WHERE WE NEED TO TAKE THINGS IN THE FUTURE OR WHERE THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THINGS IN THE FUTURE. 
          YOU KNOW, AS WE PROVIDE THIS DATA AND START HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS WE TO HAVE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE IN A POSITION, UM, TO GET THE RIGHT TYPE OF EMPLOYEES. 
          I MEAN THE SHERIFF WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU CAN'T FIND, YOU CAN'T FIND PEOPLE. 
          AND THIS IS ONE DATA POINT HEALTH PLAN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS ONE DATA POINT. 
          COMPENSATION IS ANOTHER DATA POINT. 
          SO AGAIN, I'M JUST GONNA POP THROUGH THESE. 
          I'M NOT GONNA REALLY CALL ATTENTION TO THEM, BUT YOU GOT ANIMAL CARE PROTECTION HERE. 
          MOVE ON TO CLERK OF COURT. 
          OH, I DID LEAVE THAT SLIDE IN. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALMOST ALL BLANK. 
          THIS DATA IS NOT THAT RELEVANT HONESTLY 'CAUSE IT'S BASICALLY JUST US AND MAYBE ONE OTHER, UH, REPORTING ENTITY. 
          UH, LITTLE BIT OF A SMORGASBORD HERE. 
          COUNTY ATTORNEY ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION WITH THE, UH, REGISTRAR'S OFFICE. 
          UH, BIT MORE GREEN COMING IN THERE. 
          UH, MOVING ON, UH, HR AND FINANCE LOOKING PRETTY GREEN THERE. 
          PEOPLE THINK THAT I'VE DONE ALL THIS, THIS ALL EXISTED BEFORE I GOT HERE, SO I DIDN'T JUST RAISE ALL THE MINIMUMS FOR THE HR PEOPLE. 
          UM, UH, COM COMBINATION OF COMMISSIONER REVENUE AND TREASURER. 
          AND AGAIN, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO REFER BACK TO WHAT DOES, UH, THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE LEVEL ONE EMPLOYEE DO VERSUS ONE IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION. 
          HERE WE ARE IT AT GIS. 
          UM, AND DAN AND I HAVE HAD SOME CLEAR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHERE, UM, SPECIFICALLY IT NETWORK ENGINEER IS, WHILE WE'RE ALL PUBLISHING THESE RATES. 
          NOTICE I DON'T HAVE CHESTERFIELD, YOU CAN'T PAL IN HERE. 
          UM, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS WELL, BUT WE'RE ALREADY FINDING THAT TRYING TO GET AN ENTRY LEVEL IT NETWORK ENGINEER INTO THE 
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UNIVERSE. 
          SO LING AT THAT RATE IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET THE KIND OF QUALITY WE NEED. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A HARD LOOK AT SOME OF THESE. 
          UH, HERE WE'RE IN THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, A LITTLE BIT MORE RED COMING THROUGH, UM, FOR THE ASSISTANT ASSESSOR OF CHRISTIE'S ROLE. 
          UM, AND THEN AS WE GET INTO A HIGHER LEVEL APPRAISER, UH, THIS CUSTOMER SERVICE, UM, AND AGAIN, WE, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF DATA FOR A ENTRY LEVEL CUSTOMER SERVICE SPECIALIST. 
          AND YOU COULD GO ACROSS AND SAY, YEAH, WE DON'T LOOK TOO, TOO BAD THERE. 
          SOME THINK ABOUT UTILITIES. 
          UH, WE DID A LOT OF ANALYSIS, UH, MYSELF AND ELIZABETH AND HER TEAM AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEIR ROLES. 
          UH, AND WE GOT A LOT OF DATA FROM OTHER COUNTIES THAT'S BEEN ADDED IN THE LAST, LITERALLY THE LAST WEEK OR SO, BUILDING INSPECTION. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK OVER THE YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING WELL BY OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS. 
          THEN WE MOVE INTO ENVIRONMENTAL THOUGH WE'RE LOOKING A LITTLE TOUGHER HERE. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S HARD TO GET APPLES TO APPLE. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, A LOT OF WHAT UMA DOES IS CONTRACT IT OUT SO THAT THERE IS NO DATA FOR LOUISA AS AN EXAMPLE IN THIS PARTICULAR, UM, SLIDE PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT, I'VE GOT THE SLIDE BACK UP. 
          WE SCREWED UP HERE. 
          MOVE ON. 
          UM, GENERAL SERVICES, UH, THIS INCLUDES OUR NEW RISK AND SAFETY MANAGER, UH, ROLE CUSTODIANS. 
          WE HAVE CAREER PATH FOR CUSTODIAN 1, 2, 3, 4. 
          I ONLY PUT CUSTODIAN ONE HERE BECAUSE HONESTLY A LOT OF OTHER COUNTIES DON'T HAVE A CAREER PATH FOR A CUSTODIAN. 
          SAME WITH FACILITIES TECHNICIANS. 
          SO WE HAVE THE STARTER POSITION, BUT WE HAVE CAREER PATHS THAT'S ASSIGNED FOR TECHNICIAN 2, 3, 4 PARKS AND REC. 
          SIMILAR WHERE WE'VE GOT, UH, GROUNDSKEEPER ONE WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE GROUNDSKEEPER TWO, UH, LEVEL AS WELL. 
          UM, UH, SHERIFF, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, WE'VE GOT SOME TALKING POINTS HERE FOR SHERIFF. 
          EASILY VERY EASY TO RECOGNIZE, ESPECIALLY HAVING SEEN ALL OF THE GREEN AND YELLOW WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY. 
          UM, FIRE RESCUE, UH, A COMMENT HERE. 
          UM, THE FIREFIGHTER E-M-S-B-L-S-A-L-S AND PARAMEDIC, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE RATES ARE ALL THE SAME GOING ACROSS. 
          UM, THERE IS CAREER DEVELOPMENT IN THE LARGER COUNTIES WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, LEVELS OF RESPONSIBILITY BUILT INTO HIGHER LEVEL TITLES THAT WE AS A ORGANIZATION ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS, BUT THROUGH, UM, STIPENDS AS OPPOSED TO THROUGH A CAREER DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT WAS GONNA BE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF AS YOU GUYS, AS THE BOARD IS CONTEMPLATING THESE NUMBERS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT AS WE GO HIGHER INTO THE RANKS, WE SEE A LOT OF RED AS WELL. 
          SO, GOT A FEW TAKEAWAYS HERE. 
          YOU WANT TO CHAT WITH THIS SO I CAN KEEP IT GOING? YEAH, NO, I THINK ULTIMATELY THIS IS REALLY GOOD BASELINE DATA AND THEN THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? OKAY, NOW WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION. 
          SO WHAT, UH, THERE'S GREEN, THERE'S YELLOW, THERE'S RED, AND YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DO WE USE THIS TO, TO DRIVE DECISIONS AND FORM THE FUTURE WORK THAT WE WANT TO DO? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT UM, I'VE IDENTIFIED IN COLLABORATION WITH THE TEAM IS WE DON'T HAVE GREAT SALARY SCALE STRUCTURES. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A MINIMUM, YOU HAVE A MIDPOINT, YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM, BUT THERE'S NO MATRIX FOR PLACEMENT ON A SCALE AND THEN THERE'S NO METHODOLOGY FOR MOVING DOWN THE SCALE WITH A YEAR'S WORTH OF SUCCESSFUL PERFORMANCE. 
          WE HAVE VERY LIMITED STRUCTURE WHEN IT COMES TO OUR COMPENSATION PLANS. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO STRENGTHEN THAT. 
          WITH MANY ORGANIZATIONS I'VE BEEN A PART OF LIKE, HERE'S WHERE YOU ENTER, THIS IS THE NEXT STEP, THIS IS THE NEXT STEP, THIS IS THE NEXT STEP. 
          AND IT'S A STRUCTURE THAT'S BUILT WITH INCREMENTS FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. 
          AND IF YOU BUILD THE SCALE THE RIGHT WAY, YOU HAVE IT START HERE AND YOU HAVE IT END HERE AND IT'S 70% AND THEN CHANGE TO ENTRY AND THE REST OF THE SCALE ADJUSTS. 
          AND SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IN TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT FOR ALL OF OUR POSITIONS WE HAVE A, A A STEP SCALE THAT CERTAINLY IS TRANSPARENT AND SERVES IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          SO I THINK GIVEN THE INFORMATION AND IT'S LATE AND WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF GREAT WORK TONIGHT, THERE'S SOMETHING FOR US TO THINK ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IS AGAIN, MUCH LIKE WE 
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TALKED ABOUT WITH FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR FIRE RESCUE AND SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 
          WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE IN THE FUTURE? LIKE LOOKING BACK THREE YEARS FROM NOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, LIKE WHAT'S OUR GOAL AND, AND WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE WITH SALARY? WHERE DO WE WANNA BE WITH HEALTH INSURANCE? WHERE DO WE WANNA BE WITH MAYBE OTHER EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS? BE IT TUITION ASSISTANCE OR PROFESSIONAL GROWTH? AND YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO ESTABLISH A GOAL? LIKE LET'S PUT OUR, PUT OUR LINE IN THE SAND TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO BE THE LEADER WHEN IT COMES TO X OR WE WANNA, WE WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, IN THE TOP THREE WHEN IT'S COMPARED TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS. 
          I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION I'M INTERESTED IN HAVING WITH THE BOARD AND YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING THOSE GOALS AND HOW WE DEFINE TOTAL COMPENSATION. 
          WE FOCUS ON JUST SALARY OR WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON SALARY AND HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          WE LOOK AT TOTAL COMP. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS CLIFF AND I ARE TALKING ABOUT IS PROVIDING A TOTAL COMPENSATION STATEMENT TO OUR EMPLOYEES AND SAY, HERE IS THE CONTRIBUTION THAT UCHIN COUNTY IS PROVIDING ON YOUR BEHALF. 
          VRS TECHNOLOGY, HEALTH INSURANCE CONTRIBUTIONS, SALARY, LIFE INSURANCE. 
          LIKE THE TOTAL CONTRIBUTION STATEMENT REALLY SAYS THE INVESTMENT THAT WE'RE MAKING IN OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, SO JUST STARTING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, A DESIRE POTENTIALLY TO TRANSITION TO A STEP PLATE, STEP PAY PLAN THAT HAS A SOUND SALARY STRUCTURE. 
          UM, SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT AS WE WOULD BUILD A FUTURE COMPENSATION STRATEGY IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE GOALS, WHAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY UPON WHICH WE'RE GOING TO BASE THOSE GOALS? AND YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME ELEMENTS THAT MAYBE WE WANT TO CONSIDER AS WE'RE BUILDING AN OVERALL COMPENSATION POLICY RELATED TO THE STRUCTURES, HOW, HOW YOU MOVE ON A SCALE, HOW YOU GET A SALARY INCREASE, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU'RE PROMOTED? WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU'RE DEMOTED TRANSFER TO A LATE POSITION, RECLASSIFIED LIKE SOME OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE CODIFIED RIGHT NOW IN MEMORIALIZED. 
          AND SO AN OVERALL COMPENSATION PLAN CAN INCLUDE THESE THINGS THAT PROVIDES THE ROADMAP AND IT ULTIMATELY PROVIDES SOME TRANSPARENCY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET, JUST A SAMPLE OF A COMPENSATION GOAL STATEMENT JUST TO MAYBE GET THE NEURONS FIRING A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS ORGANIZATION CLEARLY SAID THEY WANT TO BE THE LEADER IN OVERALL COMPENSATION AMONGST REGIONAL ORGANIZATIONS. 
          IS THIS JUST, JUST TO START FOR CONVERSATION. 
          SO, UH, I WILL PAUSE THERE FOR A MOMENT BORDER 'CAUSE WE'VE GIVEN YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR INITIAL GUT IS WHEN IT COMES TO COMPENSATION FOR OUR EMPLOYEES WHO MIGHT WANNA GO AS WE BUILD THE BUDGET. 
          YEAH, I, UM, FIRST I NOTICED CLIFF, YOU LEFT OFF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS . 
          THAT WOULD BE, I WAS HOPING NOBODY WOULD NOTICE THAT REVEALING INFORMATION. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE THAT DATA WE DO THAT CAN BE COLLECTED THAT EXISTS. 
          I LIKE, I LIKE THE, UH, THE STEP MODEL THAT YOU PRESENTED AND I MEAN IDEALLY I WOULD LIKE US TO AT LEAST ALL BEING AT LEAST YELLOW. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO, WITH THE LAST ADMINISTRATOR, MY GOAL IN THE CURRENT BUDGET LEARNING CURVE UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WERE SOME SELECTED, UH, PAY INCREASES FOR, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS. 
          BUT I WANTED IT TO BE MY GOAL TO GET US ALL THE WAY , UM, YOU KNOW, TO BE COMPETITIVE ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          UH, SO AT BARE MINIMUM I WOULD LIKE US TO BE ALL IN YELLOW AND THEN FROM THERE ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE STRUCTURE. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT THAT IN IT OF ITSELF IS OF GREAT VALUE TO AN EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WONDERING AM I GONNA GET A 1% RAISE AND I'M GONNA GET 2% RAISE AND WE'RE GONNA GET A 3% RAISE. 
          THEY'VE GOT SOMETHING TO HANG ONTO AND A REASON NOT TO LEAVE IF, IF THEY HAVE THAT KNOWN STRUCTURE. 
          AND, AND ALSO THE CONTRIBUTION OF THE HEALTHCARE PLAN. 
          BUT MOST OF ALL, WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT IT IS FOR A BUDGETING PROCESS, IT MAKES EVERYTHING EASIER BECAUSE YOU CAN PLUG IN THAT ONE NUMBER AND THE WHOLE SPREADSHEET CAN UPDATE IT. 
          IT'S, IT YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT SALARY SCALE STRUCTURE WITH DEFINITIVE INCREMENTS FROM ZERO TO 30, LET'S SAY, LET'S CALL IT A FIXED DOLLAR AMOUNT OR A PERCENTAGE, YOU CAN SAY BOARD MEMBERS, HERE'S WHAT IT COSTS TO FUND THE SCALE NEXT YEAR. 
          IF EVERYBODY HAS A YEAR'S WORTH OF SUCCESSFUL PERFORMANCE AND YOU GET THAT COST AND THEN YOU CAN SAY, WELL IN ADDITION TO FUNDING THE SCALE, HERE'S A, HERE'S A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT THAT WE COULD PROVIDE ON TOP OF THAT. 
          AND IT COULD BE 1% OR FIXED DOLLAR AMOUNT OR WHATEVER IT IS. 
          SO YOU MAKE TWO DECISION POINTS FOR, TO FUND THE SCALE A AND THEN OF PULL 
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ON TOP OF THAT. 
          IT DOES MAKE BUDGETING A LOT MORE TRANSPARENT AND A LOT EASIER TO FORECAST IN BASE. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED AT THESE, UM, OF COURSE YOU FOCUS ON THE RED AND I NOTICED A LOT OF 'EM ARE VERY CLOSE TO YELLOW. 
          SO I WOULD SAY THAT SHOULD BE A GOAL, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE, WE SHOULD FOCUS ALL ON YELLOW BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES WHEN YOU'RE GREEN YOU, YOU'VE GOT A SPECIALIZED JOB, RIGHT, THAT YOU'VE GOTTA PAY UP FOR OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE A RARE THING. 
          SO I'D SAY I WOULDN'T SAY ALL YELLOW. 
          NO, I I MEANT YELLOW MINIMUM. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO, BUT, BUT, BUT WHEN WE PAY ATTENTION TO GREEN, ARE WE PAYING TOO MUCH? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S AN UNPOPULAR STATEMENT, BUT YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO LOOK AT ALL AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK, OH, SORRY CHARLIE. 
          UM, I, I'D LIKE US TO GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WENT WRONG BECAUSE WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN 20 20, 20 21 TO DO A STUDY. 
          SO A THANK YOU FOR DOING IT IN-HOUSE. 
          THIS SEEMS TO BE MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE GOT BY THE WAY. 
          UM, AND THE BOARD MADE A DECISION TO SORT OF GET EVERYBODY TO THAT LEVEL. 
          AND I FELT LIKE EVER SINCE THEN OUR RAISES AND OUR INCREASES HAVE BEEN IN LINE WITH THE, THE LOCALITIES TO SEE THAT WE'RE SO FAR OFF IS A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE DISHEARTENING 'CAUSE WE FELT LIKE WE WERE KEEPING PACE. 
          UM, SO TO FIND OUT HOW DID, DID WE REALLY GET EVERYBODY THERE? LIKE WE, BECAUSE WE DID A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO BRING FOLKS UP TO THESE LEVELS. 
          SO HOW DID, HOW DID EVERYBODY OUT PACE US SO QUICKLY WHEN I FEEL LIKE WE WERE, WE WERE THERE THE SECOND ONE AND WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS IN THE ROOM, THIS MAY NOT BE A VERY POPULAR TOPIC, BUT I FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT TO BRING UP DR. 
          LEY. 
          YOU TALKED ABOUT A PLAN OF KNOWING WHERE THINGS ARE. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CO, THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AS WELL BECAUSE, UH, LA WE HAVE, WE HAVE A BIG ELECTION COMING UP IN A COUPLE YEARS, RIGHT? BUT THEN A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD SOME NEW FOLKS JOINING AS CONSTITUTIONAL, WE REALIZED WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A POLICY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S MANDATED BY THE STATE BOARD OR WHERE THAT'S, UH, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY SAY OVER HOW THAT GOES. 
          OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVE A POLICY. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY'S RUNNING FOR OFFICE, THEY KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE GONNA BE POTENTIALLY BE MAKING. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT COULD BE PART OF THE COMPENSATION POLICY, INCLUDING OUR STAFF, BUT CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          YEAH, YOU CAN ADD THAT TO THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS OR WHAT OUR ROLE IS. 
          I THINK PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION WAS WORKING WITH OTHER LOCALITIES 'CAUSE THEY'VE HAD TO HAVE SOLVED, SOMEBODY'S HAD TO FIGURE THIS OUT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          VERY HELPFUL. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE, BUT I, IT'S FUNNY, OUR CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING, NOT THREE HOURS AGO, ONE OF THE REDS HERE, A SERIES OF REDS ARE ENVIRONMENTAL. 
          WELL, IF WE FOLLOW THE MONEY, WE'RE NOT COLLECTING WHAT WE NEED TO BE COLLECTING FOR ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL 'EM, TASKS OR, UH, THINGS WE NEED TO BE DOING. 
          I MEAN, WE WE'RE COLLECTING IT, BUT THEY'RE WAY LOW. 
          WE DID THE COMP, WE DID THE ANALYSIS. 
          SO LIKE IT'S, I THINK WHAT IT TELLS ME IS IF YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS FOLLOW THE MONEY, THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA. 
          LIKE, IF WE'RE MAKING MORE MONEY ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE, WHEN WE DO THESE REVIEWS, WE DO THESE ANALYSES, THEN IT MAKES THE ARGUMENT THAT MUCH EASIER. 
          WE CAN SAY, LOOK, WE, WE'VE GOT A PERSON GOING OUT IN THE FIELD AND WHAT WE'RE RECOUPING IS ADEQUATE TO STAFF AT THIS LEVEL AND BE COMPETITIVE. 
          BUT ADDITIONALLY, UH, I DON'T WANT TO TIP VIDEO, I DON'T WANNA TIP OTHER COUNTIES OFF , BUT I'M HOPEFUL THAT ONE OF THE CHANGES WE'RE MAKING TIME-WISE ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO STAY WHERE WE WANT TO BE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. 
          WE'VE JUST GOTTA HONE IN ON THAT POLICY. 
          SO WE STARTED AT THE RIGHT PLACE AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT MISSION BEHIND IT BECAUSE I REALLY DO THINK THAT TIMING CHANGE IS HUGE. 
          IT COULD, HAS THE CHANCE TO BE HUGE. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE JUST, I THINK IF WE'VE HAD CHANGES FROM 2020, I THINK IT'S PARTLY THE WAY WE'VE HAD TO GO ABOUT MAKING THOSE ADJUSTMENTS AT THE LAST MINUTE. 
          AND, AND, AND THEY DON'T ALL FLOW THROUGH RATHER THAN JUST SAYING, HERE'S OUR POLICY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT VEERING 
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FROM THE YELLOW 'CAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE NEED TO BE. 
          RIGHT? UM, SO ANYWAY, AND THEN ALSO SHERIFF AND, UH, CHIEF FERGUSON CAN SPEAK TO THIS. 
          IT'S STILL A FAIRLY SOLID STATEMENT TO SAY ONCE WE GET PEOPLE IN HOUSE, WE DO A GOOD JOB OF RETAINING THEM. 
          LIKE, LET'S PLAY INTO WHAT WE DO. 
          WELL, WE, WE ALREADY DO THAT. 
          LET'S, LET'S CONTINUE TO MAKE THAT OUR THING. 
          BECAUSE THE COST SAVINGS OF NOT HAVING ATTRITION FAR OUTWEIGH SOME OF THE TWO AND THREE AND 4% ARGUMENTS WE MAKE. 
          HOWEVER, WE, WE HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS, THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE THAT AN EMPLOYEE HAS IS ONE THAT IS CHALLENGING THE QUANTIFY. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THAT THROUGH THE EXPERIENCE SURVEY THAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          HOWEVER, IF WE CAN INVEST IN OUR EMPLOYEES WHERE THEY FEEL VALIDATED, CONTINUAL TRAINING CURRENT IN THE ROLE, LIKE, SO TOTAL COMPENSATION CAN BE, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS OF TRAINING TO YOU TO KEEP YOUR SKILLS CURRENT AND FRESH AND HELP YOU BUILD CAREER LADDERS. 
          LIKE IT'S THE TOTAL EXPERIENCE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING FOR THE EMPLOYEE. 
          YES, SELLER SALARY IS CRITICAL, HEALTH INSURANCE IS CRITICAL, BUT WHAT ELSE ARE WE INVESTING IN THAT EMPLOYEE FROM A TRAINING STANDPOINT TO KEEP THEM CURRENT AND FEEL VALIDATED IN THEIR WORK. 
          UM, I JUST, I AGREE WITH JONATHAN. 
          I THINK WE'LL TRY TO ELIMINATE THE RED, BUT I DO THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY INSTANCES WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE SOME GREEN. 
          UM, BUT I THINK A MOTTO OR A SLOGAN OR SOMETHING WOULD BE, WE WANNA BE A PREFERRED EMPLOYER. 
          THE EMPLOYER. 
          AND IF YOU SEEK THAT, IF YOU SEEK THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER REACH IT, BUT YOU GOTTA KEEP TRYING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN YOU ELIMINATE HAVING TO GO OUT AND DO JOB FAIRS AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL SEEK US OUT AND THERE'S A REASON FOR IT. 
          AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS SALARY AS Y'ALL KNOW, IT'S, UH, MORALE. 
          IT'S, IT'S, UM, THE WORK ENVIRONMENT IN ITSELF AND ALL THE THINGS YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, WHICH I'M ENCOURAGED BECAUSE I SEE, I SEE YOU MAKING SOME HEADWAY. 
          THERE IS POSITIVE MOMENTUM. 
          WE HAVE OUR OWN EMPLOYEES RECRUITING FOLKS RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          SO OUR EMPLOYEES ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU NEED TO COME OVER HERE AND WORK FOR US. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY AWESOME. 
          IT'S A FUN PLACE TO WORK. 
          WE STILL GET THE JOB DONE. 
          WELL BOARD MEMBERS, I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE CONVERSATION. 
          THIS HAS BEEN A HEAVY LIFT AND WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT DIALOGUE HERE TODAY. 
          AND OF COURSE THIS IS JUST ONE STEP ON THE PROCESS. 
          AND, UH, THE NEXT STEP IS FOR US TO HAVE CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS INDIVIDUALLY OR SMALL GROUPS. 
          AND, UH, GETTING PREPARED FOR MY PRESENTATION TO YOU ON THE 17TH. 
          I'LL PRESENT YOU WITH A BALANCED BUDGET OF A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          BUT THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT THE END ALL, BE ALL. 
          THAT'S, UH, ANOTHER BENCHMARK. 
          'CAUSE ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR SOME FEEDBACK FROM OUR COMMUNITY ALONG THE WAY AND TOWN HALLS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO ENGAGE WITH OUR, OUR PUBLIC THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF MARCH. 
          UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE GONNA TAKE PLACE IN APRIL. 
          UH, AND THEN ULTIMATELY YOU'RE SLATED RIGHT NOW FOR YOUR BUDGET APPROVAL ON MAY 5TH. 
          SO A LOT OF STEPS ALONG THE WAY, PUBLIC FEEDBACK ALONG THE WAY, CONVERSATIONS WITH BOARD MEMBERS, UH, I EXPECT THERE'LL BE SOME REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS, SOME EXPENDITURE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          WE'LL BE TURNING KNOBS AND PULLING LEVERS TO GET THIS THING, UH, ULTIMATELY READY FOR YOUR FINAL, UH, APPROVAL ON MAY 5TH. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES TO GATHER A LOT OF INFORMATION AND RUN A WHOLE BUNCH OF REPORTS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO FEED YOU WITH GOOD INFORMATION TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, UH, WITH A MOTION AND, AND A SECOND NO SIR. 
          YOU, YOU 
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CAN ADDRESS AHEAD AT YOUR, AT YOUR WORK. 
          ALRIGHT, SO, UH, YES, WE WILL ADJOURN UNTIL THE UH, FEBRUARY 3RD. 
          FEBRUARY 3RD, UH, BOARD SUPPRESS MEETING. 
          ADJOURN. 
          GOOD JOB. 
          RESTROOM.
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